The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1445 - Andy Stumpf

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00:00:02.000 Andy Stump!

00:00:03.000 How are you, buddy?

00:00:04.000 I'm good.

00:00:05.000 What's going on?

00:00:06.000 A lot.

00:00:07.000 There's a lot happening.

00:00:08.000 Do you have a hot take on this, Andy?

00:00:10.000 What's your hot take?

00:00:12.000 I get text messages from people saying, you know, give me the inside scoop as to what's happening and what I should do.

00:00:18.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 And I don't have a good answer.

00:00:20.000 I have the same information sources that everybody else does.

00:00:22.000 My concern is not that we shouldn't protect...

00:00:27.000 People that are sick and people that are old. 0.92

00:00:30.000 My concern is that these decisions are being done by politicians and that they want to do this so that they can be elected come re-election.

00:00:39.000 They don't want people to be upset at them for not acting.

00:00:43.000 And so they're making these decisions.

00:00:46.000 And they're not showing us exactly how they're going to get out of this.

00:00:50.000 Like, when you're shutting down Los Angeles for a month, just the staggering amount of people that are going to be in debt, and there's some number that we looked it up recently of the amount of people that live check to check.

00:01:05.000 It's crazy.

00:01:06.000 It's like half of America.

00:01:07.000 The average American, the stat I saw, was that they cannot absorb an expense outside of the normal over $400.

00:01:14.000 Right.

00:01:15.000 That's gone.

00:01:16.000 That's already gone. 1.00

00:01:16.000 So already most Americans are fucked now just with this dip. 1.00

00:01:21.000 And then they're talking about extending this to April 19th. 0.99

00:01:25.000 I just don't I don't know if they have a plan.

00:01:27.000 I don't know how they're gonna buy their way out of this.

00:01:29.000 Like, what do you do?

00:01:30.000 How do you how do you help those folks?

00:01:33.000 I mean, I'm the wrong person to ask about that.

00:01:36.000 But I would I would hope at least that the politicians I'm sure there's an aspect always if you are a politician.

00:01:43.000 In the back of your mind, I have to conduct myself in a way where I can get reelected.

00:01:46.000 Everything is probably viewed through that, but I would hope at least that they're viewing it through the humanity perspective.

00:01:54.000 And as far as the decisions they're making, I don't think anybody knows what to do.

00:01:58.000 Yeah, I don't think anybody knows what to do either.

00:02:00.000 They feel like they have to do something, so they're doing something. 0.94

00:02:04.000 We all need to look at Idris Elba, because that guy looks fucking great. 0.93

00:02:08.000 He does. 0.98

00:02:10.000 He's got it.

00:02:11.000 He's got it, and he seems fine.

00:02:14.000 Tom Hanks, he says he's just kind of tired.

00:02:18.000 I can't make heads or tails of it, because if you go...

00:02:21.000 The longer you spend on your phone, I think the more...

00:02:24.000 Or your computer.

00:02:25.000 I think the more confused you'll actually become, because I don't know...

00:02:29.000 To be honest, who's telling the truth and who is not?

00:02:31.000 There's stories of people saying, hey, I tested positive for this.

00:02:34.000 I don't have any symptoms.

00:02:36.000 Hey, I live in Italy.

00:02:37.000 Three people are dead in my hallway.

00:02:40.000 And I got sick and I don't feel that good.

00:02:42.000 And then you watch people walking around in zombie apocalypse suits with mop level four gear on.

00:02:49.000 Not listening to how – I was walking on the beach yesterday and there are people in these huge social bubbles.

00:02:56.000 They don't want to be near each other.

00:02:58.000 And from what I can tell or from what I'm reading – and again, it's so heads or tails.

00:03:02.000 You basically have to be coughed on or sneezed on or touched a surface that one of these infected people have touched or close proximity.

00:03:11.000 And there's people on the beach walking around in hazmat suits.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 It's a wild time.

00:03:16.000 It's a wild time because of that, because there's no clear information and because you're seeing some people look really healthy and then you're seeing the stories that come out of Italy.

00:03:23.000 One thing to take into consideration with Italy is Italy has one of the oldest populations. 0.91

00:03:27.000 They have a lot of old people And a shit ton of smokers. 1.00

00:03:31.000 Those two factors are huge here because this is a respiratory disease. 0.66

00:03:35.000 Well, don't they also have, in comparison to the rest of the world, more generations living in a single household?

00:03:41.000 Yes.

00:03:42.000 Which I would imagine is going to be, as those generations move on, you're going to have higher risk people living with people who are lower risk but might be transmitting it.

00:03:50.000 Yes.

00:03:51.000 That's the real concern.

00:03:52.000 The real concern is you're going to transmit it to your grandma or someone who's sick.

00:03:55.000 There was a guy...

00:03:57.000 It's weird how the news gives you these stories.

00:04:00.000 Because there's a guy that was 34 years old that died, and they said he just got back from Disneyland. 0.99

00:04:05.000 You're like, fuck, I thought you lived forever once you go to Disneyland. 1.00

00:04:08.000 This is crazy. 1.00

00:04:09.000 He just got back from Disneyland?

00:04:11.000 The fact that they put that he just got back from Disneyland, it's all heartstring pulling stuff.

00:04:16.000 But then if you go deep into the story...

00:04:19.000 This young man just got over testicular cancer.

00:04:22.000 He had bronchitis and he had asthma.

00:04:27.000 So there's a lot going on there.

00:04:29.000 He had the deck stacked against him for sure.

00:04:31.000 He had the deck stacked against him.

00:04:32.000 He's immune compromised for sure because of coming off of the testicular cancer and then on top of that with asthma and bronchitis and then he gets a respiratory disease.

00:04:43.000 Those are the people that really have to worry and I really wish there was a clear way to help them other than shutting down everything for a month.

00:04:54.000 I was talking to Evan Hafer this morning, called out of the blue, and we were having kind of a conversation about this.

00:04:59.000 And he brought something up that just about the narrative.

00:05:03.000 And to me, what's happening right now is it's interesting from a couple of perspectives.

00:05:09.000 For one, I've traveled the world enough and seen people living in a variety of different living conditions that right now, in my opinion at least...

00:05:19.000 People are getting a glimpse into what it is like to live in the non-first world.

00:05:24.000 Maybe you don't even have a grocery store, but if you go there, you can't get everything that you want.

00:05:28.000 You can't travel when you always want to.

00:05:31.000 You don't have the freedom of movement that you want.

00:05:33.000 A lot of people live their life, take the virus out of the equation.

00:05:37.000 A lot of people live their life day to day in situations just like this or much worse.

00:05:42.000 So I think it should be eye-opening, hopefully, for people that There's a thin margin between, you know, the excess and luxury that we have in the first world and how fast that can be removed and we can start stepping down that staircase.

00:05:57.000 And it shows to me, you know, I try to view the videos that you see online of people fist fighting for toilet paper.

00:06:06.000 I think those are the anomaly and I try not to let the anomaly paint the norm.

00:06:09.000 I don't think most people are doing that, but there are people that are doing that.

00:06:13.000 And there are people who are going in And they're hoarding and buying.

00:06:17.000 I don't think – like toilet paper is a good example. 0.99

00:06:19.000 I can give you 15 different ways to wipe your ass without toilet paper. 0.99

00:06:23.000 Like you're going to be OK. Like do you have a garden hose? 1.00

00:06:27.000 I mean we can start there.

00:06:28.000 I'm not saying it's the most sanitary.

00:06:29.000 Do you have a tub?

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 I think I've wiped my ass with a handful of gravel one time, because that's all that I had. 0.98

00:06:34.000 I'm not recommending it, but I'm just, you know... 0.98

00:06:36.000 Did you really?

00:06:36.000 Oh, for sure.

00:06:37.000 Gravel?

00:06:38.000 It was what was in, like, close...

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:40.000 I mean, why not?

00:06:41.000 I mean, I have had many...

00:06:42.000 Did it make it cleaner?

00:06:43.000 I didn't really check.

00:06:44.000 I didn't have too much time.

00:06:46.000 But I've had many days where I started with two socks and ended with one.

00:06:49.000 I've had t-shirts that became tank tops.

00:06:51.000 I mean, there's options that you have.

00:06:53.000 None of these I'm recommending for anybody.

00:06:54.000 But what I'm saying is the toilet paper is not going to make the difference between life or death.

00:06:58.000 It's a weird one to hoard.

00:06:59.000 It's a weird one that people are freaking out about.

00:07:01.000 Because they're scared.

00:07:02.000 Well, but they're scared.

00:07:04.000 And I find that when people get scared...

00:07:12.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 And far less concerned about we.

00:07:25.000 And the conversation I was having with Evan was, you know, it'd be great if we were talking about, you know, the people who are going to get crushed, and I'm not an economic expert by any stretch, but are the ones you already talked about, are living paycheck to paycheck.

00:07:38.000 How about the elderly who are in the high-risk category that are on Social Security fixed income?

00:07:42.000 And they can't even go out right now because they don't feel comfortable getting groceries.

00:07:46.000 People are going to get destroyed.

00:07:47.000 And I would love to have a conversation about a social construct or relationship that we have where we start talking about what are we going to do to get food and aid to these people? 0.91

00:07:58.000 What are we going to do to come together and help everybody out instead of assholes and Target hoarding toilet paper? 0.83

00:08:05.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:08:05.000 And to me, a lot of that is driven by fear and a lot of it is driven by panic. 0.94

00:08:10.000 And believe me, I'm not an expert at all, probably on anything in my life.

00:08:14.000 But one thing that I have some experience in is surviving and thriving in high-risk situations that are high stress, which is kind of what's going on right now.

00:08:21.000 It's a different type of stress.

00:08:23.000 And the most dangerous thing you can do is lose control of your emotions or let your emotions take over your decision-making cycle, which is what I see people doing, and it's so dangerous.

00:08:32.000 And I think we need to start finding ways to back away from that and start talking about the we greater than me.

00:08:37.000 I don't think there's a toilet paper shortage.

00:08:39.000 There's a shortage of people with common sense who are buying too much toilet paper, which is freaking other people out.

00:08:44.000 So they're buying too much stuff, which they don't actually need, which is freaking – you know what I mean?

00:08:47.000 It's just this cascading effect.

00:08:49.000 Yeah, it's a fear cascade.

00:08:52.000 Yeah.

00:08:52.000 It's not good.

00:08:54.000 It's not good.

00:08:55.000 It's also, this is the first time we've, as a nation, have been tested like this, with a crisis where the country had to shut down.

00:09:03.000 We don't have any experience in it, so we don't know what to expect.

00:09:06.000 What I hope is that it gives me a little bit of flashes as the right after 9-11.

00:09:11.000 Because we have had times where the country shut down, but it was very, very brief.

00:09:14.000 But I remember, like, the solidarity.

00:09:17.000 After 9-11, it was all about we and not about me.

00:09:20.000 And I hope that it trends that direction because who knows when this is going to end.

00:09:24.000 I mean my kids are out of school I think for the year.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I think mine as well.

00:09:28.000 And, you know, what if you're a single parent?

00:09:30.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 And you have to work.

00:09:32.000 Right.

00:09:32.000 And what if your kids are getting two of their three meals per day at school?

00:09:36.000 And the school system in Montana where I live is already, you know, they're actually doing a really good job.

00:09:41.000 Come to these locations.

00:09:42.000 You can get free meals.

00:09:43.000 But that's assuming the kid has a way to get there.

00:09:45.000 Well, Montana's scalable, right?

00:09:47.000 There's a million people in the entire state. 0.99

00:09:49.000 The state's fucking massive. 0.99

00:09:50.000 It's not out of control. 1.00

00:09:52.000 California has 40 million fucking people in this one spot. 1.00

00:09:55.000 It's so preposterous. 1.00

00:09:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 And there's so much poverty.

00:09:59.000 There's so many people that were barely hanging on as it is, and now they're off the cliff and they don't know what to do.

00:10:05.000 And there's no real protection set in place now to keep them from being evicted, I don't believe.

00:10:10.000 Unscrupulous landlords, people that have been looking for a reason to get rid of these people in the first place. 1.00

00:10:15.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

00:10:15.000 Who knows? 1.00

00:10:16.000 Who knows what's going to go on?

00:10:18.000 It's real confusing.

00:10:19.000 It's real confusing.

00:10:20.000 And have you seen the stats?

00:10:22.000 Here, I'm going to show this to you, Jamie.

00:10:24.000 Maybe we can put this up on the screen because it's really kind of crazy that this is the choice that they've made to shut everything down.

00:10:34.000 Here, I'm sending this to you right now.

00:10:35.000 Well, you know, it's funny, right?

00:10:36.000 They made that choice last night.

00:10:38.000 So we got here Thursday.

00:10:42.000 So a day before they made that decision.

00:10:44.000 And the decision was made last night and went into effect.

00:10:47.000 And exactly the same amount of people are still out.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, exactly the same amount.

00:10:51.000 I mean, there's no real law.

00:10:53.000 I mean, it's more of a recommendation than anything, but they do have to close businesses.

00:10:57.000 Well, I think they're hoping that people do buy into a social contract, like maybe we can care about the we over me, but you see people not doing that when they're pressed, and that gets rough.

00:11:11.000 So here's the numbers, right?

00:11:13.000 Hospitalizations, intensive care unit admission, case-by-case fatality percentages reported for COVID-19 by age group.

00:11:22.000 So, this is up until March 16th, which is a couple days ago.

00:11:26.000 So, 0 to 19, there's 123 cases, 1.6 to 2.5 were hospitalized, 0 ICU, 0 fatality.

00:11:37.000 So, then you get 20 to 44, that's you, 705 cases, 14.3 to 20.8 hospitalizations, 2 to 4 ICU, and 0.1 to 0.2 case fatality.

00:11:53.000 Now you've got to think those people have pre-existing conditions.

00:11:56.000 Just looking at those numbers.

00:11:58.000 45 to 54, that's my age group.

00:12:02.000 429 cases less for some weird reason.

00:12:05.000 21 to 28 hospitalization, 5.4 to 10.4 ICU, 1.4 to 2.6 fatality.

00:12:14.000 Again, you've got to think those people have pre-existing conditions.

00:12:17.000 And it gets all the way up to really old.

00:12:20.000 Let's go to 85 plus.

00:12:22.000 That's Callen's age.

00:12:23.000 144 cases, 31 out of 144 to 70 hospitalizations, so 31.3 to 70.3 hospitalizations, 6 to 29 ICU fatalities,

00:12:39.000 10 So the vast majority of fatalities, you're looking at people between 75 and 84, which is 4.3 to 10.5, and then 85 +, which is 10.4 to 27.3.

00:12:53.000 So it's really obviously not good for really old people.

00:12:57.000 It looks like you got a 25% fatality rate at the worst case scenario for hospitalized people that have the case.

00:13:05.000 But again, for young, healthy people, it's not the big monster that everybody thinks it is.

00:13:16.000 I mean, there's people running around, terrified, that are young and healthy.

00:13:20.000 The real concern is older folks. 0.99

00:13:22.000 Well, other than the spectrum, too, there's the young people running around terrified and healthy, and then there's the people who are mobbing beaches in Florida on spring break saying...

00:13:30.000 Our future leaders? 1.00

00:13:31.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:13:32.000 Did you see that video? 1.00

00:13:33.000 I'll probably be gone by the time they're the future leaders, but yeah.

00:13:37.000 It's hilarious.

00:13:39.000 And you have to assume, though, that those numbers are completely inaccurate.

00:13:43.000 I would imagine the number, because of the lack of testing, but the percentages are probably still the same.

00:13:49.000 I think there's probably just bigger numbers.

00:13:52.000 Yeah.

00:13:53.000 Well, kids are just going to be kids, man. 1.00

00:13:56.000 You get 18-year-olds on the beach in Florida, they're there to fuck. 1.00

00:13:59.000 They're not worried about catching the COVID-19. 1.00

00:14:03.000 They don't even know what the fuck that is. 1.00

00:14:04.000 Their brains aren't even formed yet. 1.00

00:14:06.000 As my nine-year-old says, they have mushy brains.

00:14:09.000 I was trying to explain to the nine-year-old what the development of the frontal lobe is.

00:14:15.000 And I'm like, you know, because we were just talking about, I talk to my kids like they're kids, but I also talk to them like they're adults.

00:14:20.000 I do the same.

00:14:21.000 In that I lay things out and then I explain.

00:14:24.000 So I lay things out like I laid to an adult.

00:14:26.000 And then I'm like, your frontal lobe is a part of your brain that makes the decisions and it's not fully developed until you're 25 years old.

00:14:32.000 And so you see the little nine-year-old brain spinning.

00:14:35.000 I go, it's not really ready yet.

00:14:37.000 She's like, so it's like squishy brain. 1.00

00:14:39.000 I go, exactly.

00:14:41.000 Perfect nine-year-old vernacular.

00:14:42.000 I like it.

00:14:43.000 This is how she explained it to my wife, and then her and I had this little conversation about squishy brain.

00:14:47.000 And I'm like, this is what the frontal lobe is. 1.00

00:14:49.000 This is like when you see people that are young that are doing stupid things. 1.00

00:14:53.000 It's not even necessarily that they're stupid. 1.00

00:14:55.000 It's just they're just acting. 1.00

00:14:57.000 They're wild.

00:14:58.000 You know, they're free.

00:15:00.000 Their parents probably tell them what to do too much.

00:15:01.000 The school tells them what to do too much.

00:15:03.000 Their job tells them what to do too much. 1.00

00:15:05.000 And then they're out, and they have a couple fucking Miller Highlives in them, and they're like, fuck! 1.00

00:15:10.000 I don't give a fuck! 1.00

00:15:12.000 By the way, have you seen the coronavirus song yet? 0.99

00:15:14.000 You posted it.

00:15:15.000 I saw it.

00:15:16.000 You need to see it.

00:15:16.000 I watched it.

00:15:17.000 You need to see it again.

00:15:18.000 Jamie, roll it.

00:15:19.000 We can't play it?

00:15:20.000 No, no.

00:15:20.000 No?

00:15:23.000 Poppy gets taken down. 0.70

00:15:24.000 Do you really think so?

00:15:25.000 Definitely.

00:15:25.000 You need to respect other people's intellectual property.

00:15:28.000 That's not how it works.

00:15:29.000 Wouldn't help them?

00:15:29.000 That's not how it works.

00:15:30.000 But I mean, is that on Spotify or even do they have a label?

00:15:32.000 They definitely could.

00:15:33.000 I think they're comics.

00:15:34.000 They could go on and take the video down.

00:15:36.000 I don't know.

00:15:37.000 We're trying to help you guys.

00:15:38.000 Sorry.

00:15:39.000 Go to my Instagram.

00:15:40.000 I was just going to say, that's where I saw it.

00:15:42.000 I might have watched it five or ten times.

00:15:44.000 I'll play it if you want me to.

00:15:45.000 No, that's okay.

00:15:47.000 You're right. 1.00

00:15:47.000 I'm being an idiot. 1.00

00:15:49.000 But the gentleman who made it, these guys, one of them reached out to me and I fucked up. 0.99

00:15:54.000 It's ReggieBayBee2 and then there's a fucking ReggieBayBee2 underscore that's a fake account. 1.00

00:16:04.000 Those cunts. 0.99

00:16:05.000 And so I accidentally tagged the fake account at first. 0.99

00:16:08.000 I was gonna say, that's how mistakes happen.

00:16:09.000 But now I got the real account. 0.99

00:16:10.000 Well, it's just some fucking hoaxer who's pretended to be him. 0.99

00:16:14.000 Which one's fake? 0.98

00:16:15.000 The fake one is the one that has the underscore after the two.

00:16:18.000 Oh, okay, okay. 1.00

00:16:19.000 That was pieces of shit. 1.00

00:16:21.000 How's your, uh... 1.00

00:16:22.000 That's the real dude.

00:16:23.000 Reggie Bay B... How does your wife think about what's going on? 1.00

00:16:27.000 She's not concerned about us.

00:16:29.000 She's concerned about her mom, which we should be, and I'm concerned about my parents as well.

00:16:35.000 And more concerned that people are freaking out.

00:16:39.000 There's a lot of people around us that have never been tested.

00:16:44.000 And they're not good under stress.

00:16:46.000 And this is a very unusual stress because there's no clear answer.

00:16:51.000 Not from the president, not from the doctors.

00:16:55.000 No one has a real clear answer of how to fix this, when it's going to be fixed.

00:16:59.000 And when you hear things about, like, a vaccine will be available in 18 months, you're like, what?

00:17:04.000 Well, and if you continue reading, that says if it is available in 18 months, that would be three times faster than normal.

00:17:11.000 Wow.

00:17:13.000 So that would be on the very front leading edge of what would be possible to get into people's hands.

00:17:17.000 Normal would be 3x that.

00:17:19.000 And Osterholm, the guy who was on the podcast, it really sparked a lot of people to take this very seriously.

00:17:24.000 It was an excellent podcast, by the way.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:17:27.000 And he said that they could have had a coronavirus vaccine.

00:17:31.000 That once SARS happened, SARS, which is also a coronavirus, they could have worked on developing a coronavirus vaccine then.

00:17:38.000 And that we are far too flippant about how we approach these things.

00:17:42.000 And if it's not there right in our face, they don't allocate resources towards those kind of things.

00:17:48.000 I think our society is kind of defined by its excess and luxury. 0.92

00:17:51.000 And when you live in that environment, and I'm not saying it negatively at all, but if you live in that environment, if you never leave that environment, if you don't bend yourself before the world bends you a little bit, shit's going to come off the rails when you get pressed.

00:18:05.000 And that's where the behavior of people scares me far more than the actual virus itself.

00:18:09.000 I mean, I have no control over if I get the virus and how that plays itself out for me.

00:18:15.000 I cannot control that.

00:18:17.000 But I can control my behavior and how I act and try to exude calm when it comes to my kids or my family, my friends, and my social circle.

00:18:25.000 But yeah, I hope that people on the other side of this, because it's not going to be the end of the world, but I hope on the other side it gives them a greater understanding and appreciation and perspective.

00:18:38.000 Of what we have, how lucky we are, and then just maybe to think about, you know, the people...

00:18:42.000 What's the obesity rate in the U.S. right now?

00:18:44.000 Very high.

00:18:44.000 40%?

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:45.000 How about we work on that just a touch, considering that's one of the highest risk factors, right?

00:18:49.000 Instead of allowing that excess and, you know, luxury to define you, how about...

00:18:56.000 That's something you can control, right?

00:18:57.000 At all times.

00:18:58.000 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 You can't control whether or not you have a disease or whether or not you're old, but you certainly can control whether or not you're fat.

00:19:04.000 The problem is people... 0.91

00:19:07.000 In my experience, spend a lot of time, energy, and effort focusing on things that they cannot control.

00:19:12.000 And that is definitely one thing that I learned from my old job is that at some point you have to surrender the emotional and mental horsepower on the things that you can't control and only focus on the things that you can, which is specifically yourself.

00:19:24.000 Like, you can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you receive what happens to you.

00:19:30.000 And being scared, allowing that to make the decision-making process for you is what gets people in substantial trouble.

00:19:37.000 Like, I'll give you an example from my old job.

00:19:39.000 Getting shot at is not awesome.

00:19:41.000 It's actually, it can be quite terrifying.

00:19:44.000 And the number one rule of a firefight if you get into a gunfight is to win.

00:19:49.000 But the first thing you need to do is you need to shoot back with overwhelming fire superiority and then you have to maneuver, right?

00:19:55.000 So you have to pin your enemy in place and then you have to maneuver.

00:19:57.000 But let's say you get ambushed and you're on the receiving end of that.

00:20:00.000 And so you take a knee behind a wall and bullets are snapping over your head.

00:20:03.000 And you don't want to move because you're scared.

00:20:05.000 And you think, I'm going to die.

00:20:07.000 So you have fear of death, which is totally real.

00:20:09.000 And it can paralyze people.

00:20:11.000 And instead of moving, you sit there.

00:20:27.000 We're good to go.

00:20:38.000 It's just reinforced constantly in training and in operations overseas.

00:20:43.000 People ask me, what should I do?

00:20:45.000 My biggest thing is just try to remain as objective as possible.

00:20:50.000 You see people freaking out, that doesn't mean that you need to freak out.

00:20:53.000 Another way I've had it described to me...

00:20:56.000 That made a big influence on me in the way I think about things.

00:20:59.000 If you think about two circles, like an archery target, but there's only two circles.

00:21:02.000 There's the bowl, the 10 ring, which is super small.

00:21:05.000 And then, goddammit, Dudley, where are you when I need you?

00:21:08.000 What's the big ring?

00:21:09.000 On the outside?

00:21:10.000 Yeah, like five.

00:21:11.000 I guess.

00:21:13.000 It goes 10, 9, 8, out.

00:21:15.000 Whatever the lowest scoring ring is, that would be the other one.

00:21:17.000 So you've got two circles.

00:21:19.000 And the big circle is your circle of concern.

00:21:21.000 And the small circle is your circle of influence.

00:21:25.000 I see, and the dangerous thing that I see often is people spending all their time with their energy and effort on the circle of concern.

00:21:34.000 What's going on in the stock market?

00:21:36.000 What's going on on Fox News?

00:21:38.000 What's going on on CNN? Sharing back and forth things on Facebook that probably half of them aren't even true anyway.

00:21:43.000 No research put into it.

00:21:46.000 Is there going to be enough toilet paper?

00:21:47.000 What do I do about this?

00:21:48.000 And they don't have control over any of those things.

00:21:51.000 But that's the stuff that they're worried about.

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 And the only thing that you should spend your time, energy, and effort working on are the things directly inside of your circle of influence.

00:21:58.000 And even inside of that one there could be the circle of control.

00:22:01.000 And what do you have control over at all times?

00:22:03.000 The things that come out of your mouth.

00:22:04.000 How you behave.

00:22:06.000 Whether or not you allow your emotions to override your decision-making process.

00:22:10.000 The way that you communicate.

00:22:12.000 Whether or not you decide to work out as opposed to shoving 4,000 excess calories in your face every single day.

00:22:19.000 If you focus on those things and put your time, energy, and effort in there, you're going to get through stressful situations just fine because you actually have more mental capacity because you're trimming off other things that you can't control.

00:22:32.000 The thing about things that you can't control, though, is some people, they're thinking that this is one of those things that if you were a paranoid person and you prepped and worried about the future, you would have already stockpiled enough food and toilet paper and ammo and all these different things so that you were ready for this,

00:22:50.000 whereas people that were just concentrating on day-to-day life didn't act, didn't think, and then got caught.

00:22:55.000 Probably a balance in between.

00:22:57.000 I mean, is it reasonable for everybody to have five years of food at their house?

00:23:01.000 I don't think so. 0.99

00:23:02.000 I mean, that's basically military MREs, and I hope you enjoy taking a shit every two weeks. 0.99

00:23:07.000 You know, those things. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:23:09.000 You will shit the clay man. 1.00

00:23:11.000 Dude, those mountain ops. 1.00

00:23:13.000 Oh my God.

00:23:14.000 The last time I ate Mountain Ops when I went on a hunt, the farts that were coming out of my body were some of the worst smells.

00:23:21.000 I didn't know I could produce.

00:23:23.000 And I know that they taste good.

00:23:25.000 They do taste good.

00:23:26.000 And I know it's good to have, you know, freeze dried or dehydrated meals.

00:23:31.000 It's very lightweight.

00:23:32.000 You can pack them out really easy.

00:23:33.000 But Jesus Christ, what is happening internally?

00:23:38.000 I lived 90 days one time purely on military MREs, which stands for meal ready to eat.

00:23:43.000 It was the initial invasion of Iraq, and that's all we had. 0.66

00:23:47.000 And so there's a couple versions, but there's a cold weather version.

00:23:50.000 And when I was in at least, it came in a white bag.

00:23:52.000 It was for like Alpine cold weather operations.

00:23:54.000 So it had more calories and it had more tasty things in there.

00:23:57.000 And we had our hands on those.

00:24:00.000 But, you know, there's some good ones like beef stew was my favorite.

00:24:03.000 I think it was meal number eight.

00:24:04.000 And then there's some terrible ones.

00:24:06.000 We called it like five fingers of death.

00:24:07.000 It was hot dogs. 0.99

00:24:08.000 I don't know when or where these fucking things were made, but your bulletproof vest could barely contain it if you were to throw it. 0.99

00:24:15.000 This is like eating a cylinder of titanium. 0.99

00:24:17.000 They were disgusting, and I can't recognize the meat source.

00:24:22.000 At first, it was like, okay, I could eat the main meal, and then my appetite started going.

00:24:26.000 So there's crackers that come with it, so I could eat those because they'd come with jelly or peanut butter or jam. 0.99

00:24:31.000 There's actually a full economic system inside of the military trading that shit. 0.98

00:24:36.000 You can stock up on peanut butters and get some strawberry jam. 0.99

00:24:48.000 Oh.

00:25:02.000 And, like, the entire unit, I mean, not everybody did this, but basically we were ineffective for 48 hours because guys' stomachs were so destroyed from eating all of the MREs.

00:25:12.000 And you'd see guys just take a sleeve of Thin Mints and just...

00:25:15.000 And then it came with coffee, too.

00:25:18.000 Oh, God.

00:25:19.000 And so guys were just laying on their...

00:25:20.000 Because we were staying...

00:25:21.000 You know, you'd think it's like this high-speed, sexy stuff.

00:25:23.000 We were staying in cots in a totally gunned-out airplane hangar at Baghdad.

00:25:28.000 And there was pigeons flying over us and...

00:25:30.000 We would shoot them and they would spiral into people's beds and we would celebrate. 0.66

00:25:34.000 And guys are just laying in their racks just like, oh, just shut down. 1.00

00:25:40.000 Those MREs will fuck you up. 1.00

00:25:43.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:25:43.000 And they're so calorically dense. 1.00

00:25:44.000 Like you need to be drinking like eight gallons of water a day.

00:25:48.000 And you're still going to be like, I haven't gone to the bathroom in four days.

00:25:51.000 I think I might die.

00:25:52.000 Yeah, I always wondered.

00:25:54.000 I mean, I was eating a can of sardines the other day. 0.99

00:25:56.000 I was like, how can you keep fish fresh in a fucking tin? 0.98

00:26:00.000 Is it the idea that there's no air in there? 0.99

00:26:02.000 Is that all it is?

00:26:03.000 Don't they cook it and put it in there right at the end of the cooking process?

00:26:07.000 I guess.

00:26:08.000 But then, like, how's it in there? 0.98

00:26:10.000 What the fuck's going on? 0.95

00:26:11.000 How's it okay? 1.00

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 I don't know.

00:26:14.000 It's weird.

00:26:14.000 But sardines are disgusting.

00:26:15.000 I like them.

00:26:16.000 See, that's in my circle of concern.

00:26:18.000 I like sardines and oysters.

00:26:20.000 Do you ever have smoked oysters in a can?

00:26:23.000 No, it sounds disgusting.

00:26:24.000 Delicious.

00:26:25.000 I like them.

00:26:26.000 The latest addition to my diet is I started buying diced clams and adding it to clam chowder.

00:26:31.000 That's about as controversial as I get with my...

00:26:33.000 Are you a straight meat and potatoes guy?

00:26:36.000 You one of those fellas?

00:26:36.000 I am not exploratory with my food at all.

00:26:40.000 Well, you eat a lot of wild game.

00:26:42.000 Well, yeah, but that's awesome.

00:26:44.000 I have a lot of elk and a lot of deer, but I don't need to go into the sardine world.

00:26:50.000 For some people, that's exploratory.

00:26:53.000 Well, I've stuck with it now for a few years.

00:26:55.000 I would say, I'll put it like this.

00:26:56.000 If I go to a foreign country, I'm looking for something that I recognize.

00:26:59.000 I'm not interested in sampling the local cuisine.

00:27:02.000 I've had some bad experiences.

00:27:03.000 Is that why you're gun-shy?

00:27:05.000 Like, if you go to Thailand?

00:27:07.000 Thailand, so I've been to Thailand a bunch.

00:27:09.000 And I love their cowpock guy, the chicken fried rice. 1.00

00:27:11.000 I get the shit out of that. 0.99

00:27:12.000 That's it? 0.99

00:27:13.000 But I'm not touching a balut.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, Balut's rough.

00:27:16.000 We served that on Fear Factor.

00:27:18.000 My Filipino friends were laughing.

00:27:20.000 They were like, dude, that's a delicacy.

00:27:21.000 Like, we love Balut.

00:27:23.000 Eat that little embryo. 0.95

00:27:24.000 Well, that's disgusting. 0.82

00:27:25.000 So we were there.

00:27:26.000 Apparently it's delicious.

00:27:26.000 As a new guy, and they're like, here's Balut's.

00:27:29.000 You will eat these because we're hazing you. 0.98

00:27:30.000 And it's like, awesome.

00:27:32.000 Oh, to haze you?

00:27:33.000 They give you a delicacy?

00:27:34.000 I don't think a fermented rotten egg...

00:27:36.000 You've just got to change your mindset.

00:27:38.000 Is it fermented?

00:27:39.000 Balloon fermented?

00:27:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:40.000 They bury those things.

00:27:42.000 Is that the same thing?

00:27:43.000 Because there's the 100-year-old egg.

00:27:46.000 These are not 100-year-old, but these are definitely buried, fermented.

00:27:49.000 When you're peeling off the egg, it's purple.

00:27:51.000 Oh, see, that's weird because the balut that we serve was not like that.

00:27:55.000 Maybe there's different ways to serve it because the purple stuff is – that's that 100-year-old egg stuff.

00:28:00.000 Maybe there's like fermented balut and then regular balut.

00:28:03.000 I just started throwing it before I put it in my mouth.

00:28:05.000 It doesn't matter. 0.95

00:28:06.000 It's just disgusting.

00:28:07.000 And of course we weren't sober either, so – The eggs that we serve people on Fear Factor, we're serving them a hundred-year-old egg.

00:28:13.000 That was the other thing that we served.

00:28:14.000 They're not really a hundred-year-old egg.

00:28:15.000 It's just an expression.

00:28:17.000 But I think the idea is that they cook them and then they bury them in the ground or something like that.

00:28:22.000 And the gelatinous outer area that used to be the white of the egg is like this black jelly.

00:28:31.000 It's like black jelly.

00:28:32.000 Yeah, so we should put that in our mouth.

00:28:33.000 That sounds great.

00:28:34.000 But see, Chinese people love it.

00:28:36.000 There's a lot of people that actually enjoy it.

00:28:40.000 Apparently the most disgusting food, and this is coming from the late, great Anthony Bourdain that he ever tried, was fermented shark from Iceland.

00:28:47.000 He said, there are no words to describe the putrid, disgusting smell and taste.

00:28:55.000 And he's like, he couldn't imagine that people would ever acquire a taste for this.

00:29:00.000 And it's a fermented shark.

00:29:04.000 And he said, I don't remember what the history of eating those things are.

00:29:09.000 I mean, it must have come from some time of great famine where this is the only thing they had.

00:29:14.000 I've had shark before, not fermented.

00:29:17.000 I've had mako.

00:29:18.000 I enjoyed shark when I was growing up, actually, yeah. 0.99

00:29:20.000 What the fuck happened where you're not supposed to kill sharks? 0.98

00:29:23.000 Like, now if you catch a shark, people think you're a monster. 1.00

00:29:26.000 It's like shooting a baby deer.

00:29:29.000 I'm not a fan of the man in the gray wetsuit.

00:29:31.000 I've spent enough time in the water, I don't.

00:29:33.000 I just...

00:29:33.000 No.

00:29:34.000 Stay away.

00:29:35.000 I'm not a fan either.

00:29:35.000 And I watched that movie the other day with my family.

00:29:39.000 What is the new 47 Meters Down or something like that?

00:29:44.000 There's a couple of versions.

00:29:45.000 Well, I don't know if there's the Sharknado, there's the... 0.97

00:29:48.000 That one's ridiculous. 0.93

00:29:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:50.000 This one is more like a shark drama movie. 0.99

00:29:52.000 This one's more or less ridiculous? 0.99

00:29:53.000 Yes. 0.99

00:29:54.000 It's a bunch of hot girls in bikinis that go cave diving, and they find blind sharks that live deep in the caves, and then they get, spoiler alert, some people get fucked up by sharks. 0.99

00:30:05.000 Here's an idea. 0.99

00:30:06.000 Don't go cave diving.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:30:08.000 Just stay out of the water.

00:30:09.000 I'm not interested in cave diving.

00:30:10.000 Yeah.

00:30:11.000 I'm not a fan of the water anymore at all.

00:30:13.000 Anymore?

00:30:13.000 No.

00:30:14.000 Were you ever a fan?

00:30:15.000 I mean, I grew up in Santa Cruz.

00:30:17.000 Were you a surfer?

00:30:18.000 Doing junior lifeguards.

00:30:19.000 I mean, I surfed.

00:30:20.000 I wouldn't call myself a surfer.

00:30:21.000 I could, like, stand up and fall over on a board.

00:30:23.000 Right.

00:30:23.000 It's like if you've gone fishing twice, you're not a fisherman.

00:30:25.000 No, but I grew up on the beach in my summers and did junior lifeguards, and then you go get tortured.

00:30:30.000 With water and spend an immense amount of time in water and you're like, I'm completely good.

00:30:35.000 I don't want to ever go in here voluntarily again.

00:30:38.000 Good call.

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, water's weird.

00:30:40.000 It's like I enjoy the fact that it's real.

00:30:43.000 I like the fact that there's an alternative world that's connected to us.

00:30:47.000 I have snorkeled several times and I enjoyed it for brief periods of time, but I'm always very relieved when I get out of the water.

00:30:53.000 How deep was the water?

00:30:54.000 Imagine you snorkeling in like three to four feet of water.

00:30:56.000 No, we were probably 12, 12, 15. Not that deep, though.

00:31:01.000 I was with Dudley and my family.

00:31:03.000 Oh, you guys were in Lanai, weren't you?

00:31:04.000 Yeah, we were in Lanai.

00:31:05.000 We went snorkeling.

00:31:06.000 It's fun.

00:31:07.000 It's kind of cool. 0.86

00:31:08.000 You see some turtles and shit and some fish. 0.90

00:31:10.000 Not that many fish. 0.94

00:31:11.000 That's what was kind of weird.

00:31:13.000 You know, like you would think, oh, there's a whole world down there. 0.99

00:31:16.000 Yeah, but why would the fuck they would be by the people? 1.00

00:31:19.000 Why would these fish be hanging around while all these assholes are peeing? 1.00

00:31:23.000 I get it. 1.00

00:31:24.000 You know?

00:31:25.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 The ocean's another one, too.

00:31:27.000 You gotta surrender a little bit.

00:31:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:29.000 I mean, you got no control over that sucker. 0.99

00:31:31.000 And you can try to control it. 0.99

00:31:33.000 I've watched people try to control it, and they just get crushed.

00:31:36.000 Yeah, and if you see something, you know, see something underwater, like, you're basically, it's mercy.

00:31:40.000 It's like if you were in a wheelchair.

00:31:42.000 It gets better than that.

00:31:43.000 Yeah.

00:31:44.000 So imagine doing dives in water that has, you know, the phosphorescence.

00:31:49.000 So when things move through it, it'll light up.

00:31:52.000 Glows, yeah.

00:31:53.000 And you're always with the dive buddy.

00:31:55.000 And we'll do a lot of closed circuit diving.

00:31:57.000 So you're re-breathing oxygen.

00:31:59.000 You purge your body of the, what is it, carbon dioxide.

00:32:02.000 And you have a chemical scrubber that scrubs out the carbon dioxide.

00:32:07.000 So it goes in one side and it goes through this loop, so there's no bubbles.

00:32:10.000 You can stay underwater for a long time.

00:32:11.000 I think you talked with Trevor about it a little bit, the stuff he was diving.

00:32:14.000 So you're with the dive buddy.

00:32:16.000 And we'll do, or they will still do now, like long-distance underwater navigation.

00:32:21.000 And you would think there's some high-speed computer.

00:32:23.000 You have a depth gauge, a stopwatch, and a compass.

00:32:27.000 And that's your entertainment for the sometimes four hours that you're underwater.

00:32:31.000 Jesus Christ.

00:32:31.000 Mind you, only one of the two people is holding this.

00:32:34.000 The other person has zero entertainment for that time period because you're just along for the ride as the buddy.

00:32:39.000 So you're holding onto their elbow to pinch them to make sure you're still there.

00:32:42.000 But most of the time, if you're the driver, the person navigating, your buddy will stay on one side of you.

00:32:48.000 And you know that you're there because they'll check in every once in a while and squeeze your elbow.

00:32:51.000 And I had, on more than one occasion, diving in the dark, weird noises under there.

00:32:58.000 Because with a rebreather, you don't have the as you exhale.

00:33:01.000 So you can hear the crackling and the eating and boats come over your head.

00:33:04.000 It sounds like you're going to die at any time.

00:33:06.000 Perhaps I have an overactive imagination.

00:33:09.000 I've watched Jaws too many times, so I'm sitting there trying to navigate and then just thinking like, oh my god, we're going to get eaten by a shark.

00:33:15.000 But my buddy is on my right-hand side and you'll get slammed by something on your left and you'll just see it go off in the phosphorescence.

00:33:21.000 The question is, do you look or do you just keep your head down and keep going?

00:33:28.000 What do you do?

00:33:29.000 I just kept my head down and kept going.

00:33:30.000 Because you can't do anything if you look.

00:33:31.000 I couldn't do anything.

00:33:32.000 And if I had looked and if it had been a shark, I would have probably killed myself just doing a nuclear submarine porpoising out of the water.

00:33:39.000 So what do you think it was?

00:33:41.000 Probably a sea lion or a dolphin or it could have even damn near been a shark.

00:33:46.000 But it happened to me on more than one occasion and to more guys than you would think.

00:33:51.000 You're just under there and something bumps into you and you know it's on the opposite side of your die, buddy.

00:33:55.000 It is not an awesome experience.

00:33:58.000 How many guys get lost to sharks doing that?

00:34:00.000 I don't know of anybody in the SEAL community who has been lost due to a shark attack.

00:34:05.000 That's amazing.

00:34:07.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:34:08.000 I mean, the stats are on your side.

00:34:10.000 Yeah, but still, you would think one guy.

00:34:13.000 I know guys who've been struck by lightning.

00:34:16.000 I wonder what your odds are, lightning strike versus shark attack.

00:34:19.000 I bet it's way higher, lightning strike if you're outside, than if you're in the water.

00:34:24.000 I know of them canceling dives because there was shark activity in the area, but I don't know of a single guy who's actually had an interaction where they got bit.

00:34:31.000 Wow.

00:34:32.000 That's pretty impressive.

00:34:53.000 Dude, they're out right off of Malibu.

00:34:56.000 They didn't even realize how many of them there were until people started flying drones.

00:35:00.000 So they fly these drones like a couple hundred yards off of people surfing. 0.99

00:35:05.000 And there's fucking Great Whites swimming around. 1.00

00:35:07.000 And you're like, what? 1.00

00:35:09.000 The ocean will fuck you up. 0.99

00:35:10.000 You have no control over that. 0.99

00:35:12.000 And again, so in that moment, you're like, I remember I had these conversations with myself.

00:35:16.000 You just get slammed and you see it out of the corner of your eye.

00:35:20.000 It's like, yeah, that didn't happen.

00:35:21.000 Let's just keep going.

00:35:22.000 Four hours.

00:35:23.000 That's about the longest I've been underwater yet, an exhaustion dive on a drager.

00:35:27.000 And those rebreathers, some people have episodes of epilepsy or of seizures when they use those rebreathers.

00:35:34.000 Oxygen toxicity is an issue.

00:35:35.000 And then because of the chemical scrubber, of course the chemical scrubber reacts negatively to water.

00:35:42.000 So we should put it in a container and then submerse it in the water under pressure.

00:35:46.000 And it's held on by a hand-tightened screw. 0.99

00:35:49.000 Oh, god damn. 0.99

00:35:51.000 It's crazy that it works. 0.99

00:35:53.000 It works really, really well until it doesn't.

00:35:56.000 And you see people do the nuclear submarine out of the water, ripping their mouthpiece out because it's called a caustic cocktail.

00:36:03.000 There's one-way valves in each of the hoses.

00:36:05.000 So the loop has to be correct and continuous.

00:36:09.000 So when you exhale, it needs to go into the scrubber.

00:36:11.000 And then when you inhale, it needs to come...

00:36:14.000 Because if there was no one-way valve, you know what I mean?

00:36:16.000 The oxygen would flow through the system without being able to recharge.

00:36:20.000 Because if you inhale enough, it'll give you another hit of pure oxygen and it can continue that cycle.

00:36:25.000 But so the canister will start to fill up and you can hear it too.

00:36:29.000 Like after every dive, you maintain your own gear.

00:36:34.000 But you'll dump out the canister and the chemical, it'll turn, at least the stuff that I was using when I was in, it'll turn like a purplish color as the effectiveness is starting to reduce.

00:36:45.000 You can actually do more than one dye with it because you open the container up and you make sure that the chemicals are okay.

00:36:49.000 And then you tilt it over and on every dive, water starts coming out of it.

00:36:54.000 And you can hear it on dives too.

00:36:55.000 It'll start gurgling a little bit as you're inhaling.

00:36:58.000 Oh no.

00:36:59.000 Oh, it's...

00:37:02.000 And again, you can spend time worrying about that, or you can just drive on and deal with, if it becomes an issue, you can deal with it at that time.

00:37:10.000 What do you do if it becomes an issue?

00:37:12.000 You have to get to the surface.

00:37:14.000 And then what do you do?

00:37:15.000 You got to get fresh air, you need to wash your mouth out, and you need to get to a higher level of care.

00:37:20.000 So if you are two hours into a four-hour swim with a rebreather and you pop your head off the surface and you're gagging, what do you do?

00:37:28.000 There's always a safety ratio in those training evolutions, so you're going to have a diving supervisor.

00:37:33.000 While everybody's underwater, you're going to have a pretty robust network of people that are up there for safety.

00:37:38.000 So the dive has been planned.

00:37:39.000 You've probably already coordinated with where the nearest chamber is.

00:37:42.000 You've notified the chamber that you're diving, so if you have a pressure-related issue.

00:37:47.000 You know where the nearest hospital is.

00:37:49.000 You have a primary, secondary, and tertiary medical plan.

00:37:52.000 And I forget what it was, but I think it was one dive soup per maybe four dive pairs.

00:37:59.000 And you dive with buoys in training.

00:38:01.000 So there's boats that are up top that not only are they there to help in case an emergency would come up, but boats don't see those little buoys because it's just a little orange buoy traveling along.

00:38:10.000 And at nighttime, you put You know, chem-like glow sticks on them, which nobody is looking for.

00:38:15.000 So boats are up there to basically push other boats away.

00:38:18.000 So you'll get up there and you literally just, you know, you wave your hand and the boat will come over and they're going to get you to a corpsman, which is, you know, the medical personnel on the Navy side of the house, and they're going to start treating you right there.

00:38:27.000 But the chemical, the caustic cocktails are gnarly.

00:38:30.000 I mean, guys will just come up projectile vomiting.

00:38:32.000 It doesn't happen that often, but every dive you dip that thing over and the water starts coming out of it.

00:38:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:41.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:42.000 It's just crazy that it does work, that you can breathe underwater with no bubbles.

00:38:46.000 It works well.

00:38:47.000 Works really well.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, most of the time you're limited by the amount of oxygen in the cylinder, not the effectiveness of the chemical scrubber itself.

00:38:56.000 How long is it supposed to last for?

00:38:59.000 I do not know off the top of my head, but an exhaustion dive on a dragger, for me, you could go somewhere between three and a half to four hours.

00:39:07.000 Wow.

00:39:08.000 Which is just, it's mind-numbing.

00:39:09.000 That's crazy.

00:39:10.000 You can just breathe into that thing.

00:39:12.000 It's super quiet.

00:39:13.000 The only noise that it makes is when you have a demand valve that kicks in.

00:39:17.000 It'll give you a hit of that pure oxygen.

00:39:19.000 That's what it sounds like.

00:39:21.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:39:22.000 You can hear so much more.

00:39:23.000 You hear all the crustaceans down there and all the clicking.

00:39:26.000 You can sneak up on animals because you're not making as much noise.

00:39:29.000 It seems like it would be a good thing to wear if you were scuba diving or you were spearfishing, rather.

00:39:34.000 It's limited by the depth because if you take oxygen down to depth, that's where you're going to get the O2 toxicity issues.

00:39:40.000 So on those dives, we're talking 20 feet to the surface is where you need to stay.

00:39:43.000 Oh, that's it.

00:39:44.000 Oh. 1.00

00:39:45.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

00:39:46.000 It won't work. 1.00

00:39:47.000 No.

00:39:48.000 Unless there's awesome spearfishing at 20 feet. 1.00

00:39:50.000 I heard spearfishing is the shit. 0.99

00:39:52.000 Everybody that's done it says it's amazing. 1.00

00:39:53.000 It's like hunting underwater. 0.99

00:39:55.000 I'll never be able to tell you because I'm not going to voluntarily go in the fucking water. 1.00

00:39:58.000 You're done. 0.99

00:39:59.000 Well, it's understandable.

00:40:01.000 You did your time.

00:40:02.000 Dude, I didn't know...

00:40:03.000 I was listening to your podcast.

00:40:04.000 I didn't know that you were involved in the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

00:40:07.000 That was the second target that we hit in the first invasion of Iraq.

00:40:11.000 That's crazy.

00:40:12.000 It was an odd series of events.

00:40:15.000 You know, we went over there.

00:40:17.000 I had just finished the selection process for the East Coast Command, and they actually...

00:40:22.000 There are...

00:40:24.000 What would be the best way to describe it?

00:40:27.000 There are multiple squadrons inside of that command.

00:40:32.000 They all have the same skill set, but you need multiple, so one can be on deployment while another one is training and the other one is resting.

00:40:39.000 You want to get into a rotation cycle.

00:40:42.000 So at the end of selection, an X number of people get partitioned off to each one of those.

00:40:47.000 And it takes time to get up to speed because the selection tactics and the way that you train are good, but you get better as you are working with the guys with more experience, specifically the real-world experience.

00:40:59.000 And so they pulled us out of selection about a month early and sent us over to augment the car's eye detail.

00:41:05.000 In Afghanistan.

00:41:05.000 At the very tail end.

00:41:07.000 I mean, nothing happened.

00:41:07.000 We basically, you know, you're a deterrent at that point.

00:41:09.000 And it's one of the worst missions because you can't...

00:41:11.000 It's very reactive security detail stuff.

00:41:14.000 You can't really do anything until somebody else does something, so you're already behind the power curve.

00:41:17.000 It's my least favorite mission set, I think.

00:41:20.000 But we came back from that, and then the intel started kicking off for Iraq, and they sent us over to Saudi Arabia, and we were there for...

00:41:30.000 Probably somewhere between 7 to 10 days.

00:41:32.000 That's where I watched Bush give the speech.

00:41:33.000 You know, Saddam Hussein has, I think it was 24 hours to comply or turn himself in, whatever it was.

00:41:39.000 And we had already taken a look at – we knew before going over there that there were two or three objectives that we were going to look at.

00:41:47.000 So we had already basically planned missions that we were going to do.

00:41:50.000 While we were in Virginia Beach, we were planning for stuff in Iraq.

00:41:53.000 So we continued the planning in Iraq.

00:41:56.000 Saudi Arabia.

00:41:56.000 And the first target we hit was the number one chem bio target in Iraq.

00:42:00.000 So to do that, you have to get all your shit on. 0.99

00:42:03.000 It's called MOP gear, Mission Oriented Protective Posture. 0.99

00:42:06.000 It's like a chemical chem bio suit.

00:42:09.000 Gas mask.

00:42:10.000 Which compounds a lot of stuff. 0.99

00:42:12.000 You have all your normal shit on anyway. 0.98

00:42:14.000 Like there's guys carrying quickie saws in a hazmat suit with a gas mask on, breathing through a blower on their back, overworking the blower. 0.99

00:42:22.000 And it's amazing how close to suffocation I've actually come inside of those gas masks.

00:42:26.000 It's the worst feeling ever.

00:42:27.000 Like you're sucking so hard for air that the mask is like sticking up against your face.

00:42:31.000 Because you're not supposed to be physically exerting yourself while you're wearing that thing?

00:42:34.000 There's a limit.

00:42:35.000 It's just, it's harder.

00:42:36.000 It'd be like putting the, because there's a canister on the side.

00:42:39.000 And how much weight are you carrying around?

00:42:42.000 In those days, it was probably body weight plus 8,200 pounds.

00:42:45.000 Jesus Christ.

00:42:46.000 That was about average.

00:42:47.000 And it trimmed down after that because the actual amount of real world experience at that time was low and it drastically increased.

00:42:54.000 So you'd be like, you know, I think I need this pocket.

00:42:57.000 And then you wouldn't need it for a month. 0.99

00:42:58.000 I need to get rid of this goddamn pocket because it carries sweat. 0.99

00:43:01.000 Like backpack hunters. 1.00

00:43:02.000 Same kind of thing.

00:43:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:03.000 The gear that I wore towards the end was substantially different than the gear that I wore towards the beginning.

00:43:07.000 I trimmed...

00:43:08.000 I mean, I think I probably had 10 magazines on me, like that first target.

00:43:11.000 I think the last deployment I did, I would carry four.

00:43:14.000 Four and one in the gun and no pistol.

00:43:16.000 So things changed over time.

00:43:18.000 But this...

00:43:18.000 Just for weight.

00:43:19.000 Just for weight and for ability to move because then I would need less food and I would need less water and I'd actually be mobile.

00:43:26.000 But on this target...

00:43:27.000 So it was a four-hour helicopter ride in.

00:43:29.000 We're sitting there.

00:43:30.000 We have all of our mop gear on but not our masks.

00:43:33.000 And we're doing a mid-air refuel on a C-130.

00:43:36.000 So you had a 47 double, you know, the big double, not propellers, it'd be rotor blades on top of the helicopter.

00:43:42.000 They're hooked up next to a C-130 in-flight refueling.

00:43:46.000 Missile goes underneath.

00:43:47.000 The C-130 is like, see you boys later.

00:43:49.000 Bombs out.

00:43:51.000 So the C-130 bailed when the missile flew under? 1.00

00:43:55.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:43:55.000 I don't blame them for that either. 0.99

00:43:56.000 They're literally a flying fuel tank.

00:43:58.000 But I think they had gotten enough gas, and we had to hit the tanker on the way back as well.

00:44:02.000 So you're just sitting there waiting for three and a half, you know, three and three-quarter hours, and about ten minutes out, you start getting your gas mask and stuff on because you've got to stuff the drape.

00:44:12.000 And, you know, night vision goggles.

00:44:13.000 Have you ever looked through a pair of night vision goggles?

00:44:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:15.000 Your field of view sucks. 1.00

00:44:16.000 It's terrible. 1.00

00:44:17.000 It's weird.

00:44:18.000 Which is why you notice when people are actually using them, they will all constantly have movement in their head because they're increasing their field of view and up and down.

00:44:26.000 And that's when you can orient them to a good offset to your eye.

00:44:29.000 Now imagine putting a gas mask in between your eye and the lens of the night vision goggle.

00:44:35.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:44:36.000 So you're taking already a limited field of view and putting it into a soda straw.

00:44:42.000 And mind you, this is the first combat target I've ever been on.

00:44:45.000 And you're 18?

00:44:47.000 Oh, no, no.

00:44:47.000 22?

00:44:48.000 No, I went through...

00:44:49.000 How old are you?

00:44:50.000 Me, 42. No, at the time...

00:44:52.000 This was in 2003. It was 25. Okay.

00:44:55.000 25. But you enlisted when you were really young, right?

00:44:58.000 17?

00:44:59.000 17. Junior in high school.

00:45:00.000 I signed the paperwork when I was a junior in high school.

00:45:02.000 You still got to graduate and then continue on.

00:45:05.000 But...

00:45:07.000 And I was in like the third or fourth 47 that went in.

00:45:10.000 So you finally get all your stuff on, you know, and you have a blower on your back.

00:45:13.000 So there's ways that you can help the canister.

00:45:17.000 If you just have the canister on your mask, it's a lot like breathing through a few straws shoved in your mouth.

00:45:22.000 If you maintain a low enough heart rate and you're totally chill, you're fine.

00:45:26.000 But as your heart rate goes up and your demand, you know, for oxygen goes up, you're really limited.

00:45:31.000 So they have, you know, you can put them on your back.

00:45:32.000 It's a blower.

00:45:33.000 It's a battery powered blower.

00:45:35.000 That will basically push air into the mask. 0.93

00:45:37.000 And it gives you, I would say, more buffer space.

00:45:39.000 It's almost like a positive pressure.

00:45:40.000 And if you're not doing much, it's actually really nice.

00:45:42.000 It's just jamming air in your face.

00:45:45.000 And it works well unless you put your weapon sling over the top of that tube, which is exactly what I did, which was awesome.

00:45:50.000 Oh, it was great.

00:45:51.000 I had a great first experience.

00:45:52.000 I lost my nods on my first target ever. 1.00

00:45:54.000 I went back and got them, but it was a fucking shit show. 0.99

00:45:56.000 What's nods? 1.00

00:45:57.000 Night vision goggles.

00:45:58.000 Oh, okay.

00:45:59.000 Things that you need to see at night and will get in trouble for if you lose.

00:46:03.000 It was terrible.

00:46:05.000 So we come in, number one chem biotarget in Iraq, and we had looked at it from the perspective of like air conditioning specialists and, you know, from architects to what we could encounter on the ground, potential threats, satellite imagery of historical stuff,

00:46:20.000 and we get there.

00:46:22.000 And by the time I even got on the ground, there was already a firefight going on.

00:46:27.000 The helicopter that I was in had 27 rounds come through the helicopter.

00:46:30.000 Not a single person was hurt. 0.98

00:46:32.000 Guys were reaching up to scratch their ass and a round would come through and dismiss everybody. 0.99

00:46:37.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Well, I take that back.

00:46:39.000 The door gunner standing next to me got shot right in the head at about a minute out.

00:46:42.000 That was my first exposure to combat.

00:46:44.000 Just over.

00:46:45.000 Wow.

00:46:46.000 Helicopter lands and you go.

00:46:47.000 And by the time I got to the front door of that structure, I was probably as close to being unconscious due to asphyxiation as I often am doing jujitsu, getting choked out.

00:47:01.000 Like the world is just coming down.

00:47:04.000 And instantaneously we could tell...

00:47:06.000 That it was an agricultural school.

00:47:08.000 Like the intelligence was so horribly and incredibly off when it came to that.

00:47:12.000 So I just ripped my mask off at some point because I would have rather died from whatever horrendous disease could have been in there than suffocate.

00:47:19.000 And then we cleared through it and I knocked my night vision goggles off with a sledgehammer.

00:47:23.000 I had to go back. 1.00

00:47:23.000 It was a shit show. 1.00

00:47:24.000 So we get back from that. 1.00

00:47:26.000 The next morning we wake up and I remember having a cup of coffee with a buddy of mine.

00:47:31.000 I was like, hey, man, I don't think we're going to get out of this if things keep going like they did last night.

00:47:37.000 And shortly after that, a few days after that, we got word that Jessica had been captured.

00:47:42.000 So we forward staged and went up to Nazaria.

00:47:47.000 And...

00:47:48.000 The information that we had going into the hospital is that it was a Fedayeen hotbed, like 50 to 500 people was the expected amount of resistance that we could have, and we could fit 27 people in the helicopter.

00:48:00.000 So that's what we launched with in the back of our head.

00:48:05.000 And fortunately, we didn't meet any resistance inside of the structure.

00:48:08.000 And it actually was kind of business as usual.

00:48:11.000 Looking back, like there was nothing exciting about that target whatsoever.

00:48:15.000 People in the modern day, if they were to action that target now with the experience that they have, they wouldn't even register on the radar scope.

00:48:23.000 Or the little amount of resistance that was encountered outside, it just would be another day at the office.

00:48:27.000 There was a public story of that, and then there was a lot of dispute about whether or not that was accurate.

00:48:34.000 I remember she actually took some heat.

00:48:37.000 She cleared up a lot of it.

00:48:39.000 Well, she was not responsible for a lot of the things that were said because she was deep into the repatriation process. 0.99

00:48:45.000 I mean, she's fucked up to this day. 0.97

00:48:48.000 When I sat down, I probably get to sit across the table. 0.99

00:48:50.000 She had never sat down and talked to somebody who was there.

00:48:52.000 When did you meet her?

00:48:54.000 I had her on my podcast.

00:48:56.000 When?

00:48:57.000 It was one of the earlier episodes. 0.99

00:48:58.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:48:59.000 I didn't listen to that. 1.00

00:49:00.000 I didn't even know you had her on.

00:49:01.000 So she told her side of the story.

00:49:03.000 I told my side of the story.

00:49:04.000 And we were able to fill in the gaps.

00:49:06.000 And we sat across the table just like this.

00:49:08.000 And she still wears a brace.

00:49:10.000 She came and gave me a huge hug.

00:49:11.000 I didn't know what to expect.

00:49:12.000 What happened to her physically?

00:49:15.000 Man, I don't have the exact details.

00:49:17.000 But from my understanding, the vast majority of her injuries came from when her Humvee wrecked.

00:49:24.000 I do not believe she was buckled or strapped in.

00:49:27.000 So she got just pounded.

00:49:29.000 And she was not treated well.

00:49:32.000 You know, it's... 0.99

00:49:34.000 Guys are going to get the same—I mean, bottom line, you're going to get raped if you're a male or a female. 0.99

00:49:42.000 Really? 1.00

00:49:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:43.000 For sure.

00:49:44.000 If you get captured?

00:49:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:46.000 You're going to, for sure.

00:49:48.000 If you're a male or a female?

00:49:49.000 If you're a male or a female, you're not going to have a good go of it, for sure. 1.00

00:49:53.000 And, again, I'm not an exact expert on what happens specifically with her— But from my understanding, she experienced that as well as all the other medical issues.

00:50:03.000 But when we – she was in bad shape when we pulled her out of the hospital for sure.

00:50:07.000 But then – so – and I remember there were two people with us that were carrying video cameras.

00:50:14.000 And there was a little bit of footage that was taken from that like when she was in the hospital bed in the hospital.

00:50:20.000 And a lot of the rest of it was from the cameras on the helicopters and some – the sensors overhead.

00:50:25.000 But the narrative from that, not a word was said by anybody that was there executing that objective or from her.

00:50:31.000 And I think my hypothesis is we were a month into that war.

00:50:37.000 A lot of that war was based on we need to go rid this country and this dictator of their WMDs. 0.93

00:50:42.000 We hadn't – Found any.

00:50:45.000 From a PR perspective wise, it wasn't probably going as well as they wanted it to do and they wanted to have a PR victory.

00:50:53.000 But the stuff that was said, the stuff that made the news, all the stuff that got blown out of proportion, none of that came from the people that were actually there.

00:51:00.000 It came from all the layers on top of it.

00:51:01.000 What was blown out of proportion?

00:51:02.000 Because I'm trying to remember.

00:51:03.000 I remember some of the first reports.

00:51:04.000 They were saying that she was going to be the first female Medal of Honor recipient.

00:51:07.000 That she had fought until she had her, you know, she expended her last round and then was finally overtaken.

00:51:12.000 And you talked to her and she never even loaded her weapon.

00:51:14.000 Her weapon jammed.

00:51:16.000 She never said that she fought.

00:51:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:18.000 I remember people talking about it.

00:51:19.000 She never said any of that.

00:51:21.000 So who do you think was doing that?

00:51:22.000 Was that the government's PR? I think people are often in a rush to talk in an educated manner about things they know nothing about.

00:51:29.000 Hmm.

00:51:31.000 I mean it takes time to understand the details of what happened.

00:51:35.000 She was not in a headspace to give a debrief.

00:51:38.000 She was literally being flown probably to Germany for her first round of countless surgeries.

00:51:45.000 And she's going to need to spend time with a therapist and a counselor.

00:51:48.000 I would assume she would.

00:51:49.000 Obviously I can't speak for her, but they're going to want to do a robust medical treatment.

00:51:53.000 And that's really not the time to dive into the details of her exact actions.

00:51:56.000 And we left the next morning and flew into Baghdad like three days later.

00:52:01.000 Like it was just another day on the job and you were off and running.

00:52:04.000 It was cool because it was the first rescue of US POW since World War II. And so the rescue of her was...

00:52:11.000 She was rescued from the hospital?

00:52:13.000 Correct.

00:52:14.000 And so they had abused her and then taken her to a hospital?

00:52:17.000 I get a little grainy on the details of what happened in between the wreck and when we picked her up because there are conflicting narratives.

00:52:25.000 There are...

00:52:28.000 I don't know what the correct word would be.

00:52:30.000 Stories.

00:52:30.000 Or there are reports that they attempted to put her into an ambulance and bring her back to U.S. forces.

00:52:36.000 But at that same time, the Fedayeen were using ambulances as basically military fighting vehicles.

00:52:41.000 So they said that when they tried to do that, the ambulance was shot at, which makes sense if there was a trend of people using an ambulance as a military vehicle.

00:52:50.000 That would make sense and they would get turned around.

00:52:51.000 So they might have tried to bring her back. 0.91

00:52:54.000 You know, that hospital was being used as a fedain staging point because they're, I mean, they're not dumb people.

00:53:00.000 They understand we're not going to likely bomb hospitals or religious structures.

00:53:03.000 So use them to their military advantage.

00:53:06.000 Wow.

00:53:07.000 Wow.

00:53:08.000 And this is your second, your second real.

00:53:12.000 Yep.

00:53:13.000 Wow.

00:53:15.000 Crazy.

00:53:17.000 That story was a giant story in the media about the war and people trying to sort out what was true versus what was the publicity narrative.

00:53:29.000 I would say, on average, take 90% of what you hear off the top.

00:53:33.000 90%?

00:53:35.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting for me when I was listening to you talk with Trevor.

00:53:39.000 People are super fascinated by war and combat, and I wish they wouldn't be because it's not fascinating.

00:53:45.000 It's actually really simple most often.

00:53:49.000 You're not out there reinventing the wheel.

00:53:52.000 You're doing the simplest of tactics that you can because they're almost always effective.

00:53:56.000 You can build complexity, but you have to have a mastery of the simple first.

00:53:59.000 It's not a crazy, unique experience.

00:54:01.000 It doesn't give you any...

00:54:03.000 Insight or special powers.

00:54:05.000 I mean it just doesn't make you unique.

00:54:07.000 It's just a bizarre occupation.

00:54:09.000 But it's not – to me at least it's not fascinating and I wish other people were less fascinated by it because then they would be less likely to be taken advantage of by people who are snake oil salesmen.

00:54:19.000 How so?

00:54:20.000 Like one way?

00:54:21.000 I mean you ever heard of Stolen Valor?

00:54:23.000 Yes. 0.99

00:54:23.000 And the shit that people try to pull that when it goes that route and it's enticing in a wartime environment. 0.99

00:54:29.000 The vast majority of the military doesn't see combat. 0.99

00:54:32.000 I think 15% or less actually engages in direct combat.

00:54:36.000 But you go to a bar and it's like, oh man, there's a lot of combat vets in here.

00:54:40.000 Like every single person in the military is telling war stories.

00:54:44.000 And that is to a degree I would say harmless.

00:54:48.000 Unless you start attaching your identity to that.

00:54:51.000 Right.

00:55:08.000 An occupation.

00:55:09.000 Instead of trying to figure out who they are, they get stuck in the rearview mirror looking at what they used to do.

00:55:14.000 You know, because it is what you used to do.

00:55:16.000 It's not who you are.

00:55:17.000 And people who can't disconnect those two things, I think that they struggle.

00:55:21.000 And you see guys looking for handouts.

00:55:22.000 And then, you know, the more that you can create this dossier of who you are, it's amazing.

00:55:27.000 I mean, it opens doors.

00:55:28.000 It really does.

00:55:29.000 My background is 100% a two-sided knife.

00:55:34.000 It'll open doors, and some of them I'm not qualified to walk through, but they will open it because of what they think or are fascinated by what I used to do.

00:55:42.000 Well, it's fascinating for people because they're never going to experience it.

00:55:46.000 That's good.

00:55:46.000 I hope they never have to.

00:55:48.000 Right.

00:55:49.000 But still, you understand why that would be compelling to at least try to understand it or process it in your mind for someone who isn't going to experience it.

00:55:58.000 Like for me, when I talk to you or if I talk to Jocko or anybody that's had a lot of experience I am fascinated.

00:56:07.000 And I can understand why it would be something that you would want people to not be fascinated by.

00:56:14.000 But for someone on the outside looking in, I want to know what that's...

00:56:19.000 Because the only experience that we can sort of absorb is film.

00:56:26.000 We could either watch Restrepo or watch...

00:56:28.000 We talked about this last time I was on.

00:56:30.000 It's the only thing that...

00:56:32.000 And again, strip 90% off the top.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:56:34.000 They're terrible.

00:56:35.000 Yeah. 0.62

00:56:36.000 Yeah.

00:56:37.000 But at the same time...

00:56:39.000 Other than a pure documentary, films are there to make money.

00:56:42.000 They're there to put butts in seats. 1.00

00:56:43.000 So I get it.

00:56:43.000 They're in this tug of war between entertainment and authenticity.

00:56:46.000 And I have a limited exposure to working in the entertainment world on the technical advising house.

00:56:52.000 And if there is a struggle often between entertainment and authenticity, authenticity loses.

00:56:58.000 Because it's not that fascinating.

00:57:00.000 It's slower than people think.

00:57:02.000 It's quieter than people think.

00:57:04.000 Isn't that the case with every single subject that they try to capture in film?

00:57:10.000 Probably.

00:57:10.000 Yeah.

00:57:11.000 I mean, it's basically everything.

00:57:12.000 Yeah.

00:57:13.000 From romance to fighting to everything. 0.99

00:57:16.000 It's like, it's a bullshit version of it. 0.94

00:57:18.000 I mean, I think that's one of the reasons why so many people have these weird expectations of relationships. 0.98

00:57:22.000 They watch too many Ryan Reynolds movies and they really think that this is how it's supposed to go down.

00:57:26.000 The notebook?

00:57:27.000 I mean, these movies are really essentially what people use as a guideline for what the ideal relationship is.

00:57:33.000 Instead of a really good relationship that you're aware of that actually exists.

00:57:37.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 I think people should use caution on anything that they see on a screen of any size, whether it's from iPhone to iMacs.

00:57:45.000 Just strip 90% off the top.

00:57:47.000 Well, especially a screen where people are literally pretending.

00:57:52.000 Yes.

00:57:52.000 Either pretending to be at war.

00:57:54.000 Meanwhile, there's fucking camera guys there and actors and Eddie. 0.99

00:57:58.000 Cut! 1.00

00:57:59.000 Good job.

00:58:00.000 Okay, we're gonna have to touch up the blood.

00:58:01.000 Get him more blood.

00:58:03.000 Spray some sweat on him.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, they're talking to the VFX dude.

00:58:06.000 Okay, we'll get that explosion in the background.

00:58:09.000 Give me an aircraft carrier going this way.

00:58:11.000 Yeah, I mean, how could you ever make that authentic?

00:58:15.000 I think Trevor and I were talking about Saving Private Ryan and the storm in the beach at Normandy was probably the only scene ever in a movie that accurately represents what it must have been like at that time.

00:58:25.000 Some of them get it right, like snippets.

00:58:27.000 I actually think we talked about this last time too briefly.

00:58:29.000 Black Hawk Down gets a little bit right.

00:58:31.000 You can get an understanding of like...

00:58:34.000 The confusion, the sense of losing utter and complete control, not knowing what to do next, having limited information, having to make decisions on limited information, having to make decisions where somebody might live and others might die.

00:58:47.000 You can get snippets of that, but I don't think there's any one film or TV show that captures it really accurately.

00:58:52.000 Well, it's weird to me, too, when there's someone who you know...

00:58:55.000 Like, Marky Mark.

00:58:56.000 Like, here's Marky Mark.

00:58:57.000 He's in the movie.

00:58:58.000 It's Mark Wahlberg.

00:58:59.000 It's Tidy Whitey Boy. 1.00

00:59:00.000 But it's Mark Wahlberg.

00:59:01.000 It's not Marcus Luttrell.

00:59:03.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.000 Like, I know Marcus.

00:59:04.000 That's not Marcus.

00:59:05.000 Yep.

00:59:05.000 That's Mark Wahlberg.

00:59:06.000 Yeah.

00:59:07.000 But he's playing Marcus.

00:59:08.000 So it's like, wow, this is weird.

00:59:10.000 That's weird.

00:59:11.000 That's inescapably weird. 0.77

00:59:12.000 When there's a person who's like a super famous guy like Mark Wahlberg, who's been in a fucking million movies, but he's playing...

00:59:20.000 Someone else, but you know it's Mark Wahlberg, so there's this weird sort of thing you're supposed to do.

00:59:27.000 You know, this is a suspension of disbelief that you have in every movie. 0.93

00:59:31.000 But look, it's gotta be the weirdest fucking thing ever to see someone who you know play you in a movie. 0.59

00:59:39.000 I think I would just skip that whole process and be like, hey, let me know how it goes. 0.97

00:59:43.000 Just don't even watch it?

00:59:44.000 I think it would be...

00:59:45.000 For me, I'd be like...

00:59:46.000 First off, nobody's ever written a book or movie about my life because, again, exceptionally average military career-wise.

00:59:53.000 If they did, I would say you go have fun and I'll let you know what I think of it.

00:59:56.000 I wouldn't want to be involved in that at all.

00:59:58.000 Yeah.

00:59:59.000 So...

01:00:00.000 Yeah, I think that's a good call. 0.87

01:00:03.000 The whole famous guy playing someone else thing has got to be so fucking strange. 0.98

01:00:11.000 If you're that person, like Jessica Lynch, if they did the Jessica Lynch story and Scarlett Johansson played Jessica Lynch, she'd probably be like, what in the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:00:21.000 That'd be a mindfuck for sure. 0.99

01:00:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:00:25.000 Yeah.

01:00:26.000 Well, that's Scarlett Johansson. 1.00

01:00:27.000 That's not me. 0.99

01:00:28.000 Bitch, I never said that. 1.00

01:00:32.000 That is not how it went down. 1.00

01:00:34.000 What the fuck did they do to my story? 0.97

01:00:37.000 Authenticity versus entertainment. 0.99

01:00:38.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 I mean, that's just how it goes in every movie.

01:00:41.000 Yeah.

01:00:41.000 It's just Foxcatcher is a perfect example of that.

01:00:44.000 I've used that example many, many times.

01:00:46.000 What's that one about?

01:00:47.000 Mark and David Schultz documentary or film.

01:00:50.000 It's with Steve Carell.

01:00:52.000 And who plays that handsome fella? 0.62

01:00:59.000 Channing Tatum, another one of them super handsome fellows.

01:01:01.000 He is a handsome man.

01:01:02.000 Plays Mark Schultz, who was one of the greatest wrestlers America ever produced.

01:01:06.000 And his brother Dave Schultz, another equally impressive wrestler.

01:01:09.000 Just top of the food chain world champion wrestlers.

01:01:12.000 And the movie just distorted everything.

01:01:16.000 Just twisted up everything about their career.

01:01:18.000 And did they even need to?

01:01:20.000 No! 0.86

01:01:20.000 Here's the one example that I always use, and I'm sorry if you've heard this before, but the fucking end of the film, Mark Schultz in the movie has a UFC fight. 0.86

01:01:31.000 And in the real world, he had a UFC fight against Big Daddy Goodrich.

01:01:36.000 Big Daddy Goodrich is a pioneer of MMA, a famous fighter in the world of fighting.

01:01:42.000 I mean, he's a legend, right? 0.99

01:01:44.000 And Mark Schultz Mounted him and beat his ass. 0.99

01:01:47.000 I mean, he's just a top of the food chain Olympic gold medalist wrestler. 1.00

01:01:50.000 Just took him down at will.

01:01:51.000 Just what you would expect.

01:01:52.000 And never fought again because he had a wrestling contract.

01:01:57.000 He was coaching, I believe, at Brigham Young.

01:01:59.000 They didn't want him to do it.

01:02:00.000 This was back in the early days of the UFC, too.

01:02:02.000 It was bare knuckle, the whole deal.

01:02:04.000 But in the movie, he fights a Russian guy.

01:02:08.000 Like, why do you have him fight a Russian guy when he fought Big Daddy Goodrich? 0.51

01:02:12.000 I mean, Gary Goodrich is a famous fighter.

01:02:15.000 Yeah, who makes that call? 1.00

01:02:16.000 Some fucking asshole. 1.00

01:02:18.000 Because in the world, you know, I'm watching it, and I'm like, that's not who he fought! 1.00

01:02:23.000 Why did you change it?

01:02:25.000 Why did you change it when you could have just had a guy play Big Daddy Goodrich?

01:02:29.000 Yeah.

01:02:30.000 And then it would have been like, oh, that's the guy playing Big Daddy Goodrich.

01:02:32.000 Okay. 0.99

01:02:33.000 At least they're not fucking me. 0.99

01:02:35.000 But when I see this Russian guy standing there, and then Mark Schultz gets in the cage to fight this Russian guy, I'm like, what are you doing? 0.99

01:02:41.000 Why'd you do that?

01:02:42.000 Why did you change history?

01:02:43.000 Did it ruin the movie for you?

01:02:45.000 Everything ruined the movie for me.

01:02:46.000 Okay, so it was ruined before then, but you stuck it out.

01:02:49.000 Well, Steve Carell was excellent, and Channing Tatum was excellent, too.

01:02:52.000 It was good acting in the movie, but I knew that a lot of what they were portraying was not accurate.

01:02:58.000 They're making it look like Mark Schultz was down on his luck and not doing well as a wrestler.

01:03:02.000 He was dominating. 1.00

01:03:03.000 He was a fucking stud. 0.99

01:03:05.000 And then at the end of it, they just took so much license for entertainment to twist up this real-world event. 1.00

01:03:15.000 It's a real thing that happened.

01:03:17.000 I mean, that guy... 0.99

01:03:21.000 What the fuck was his name? 0.99

01:03:22.000 DuPont did shoot Dave Schultz. 1.00

01:03:25.000 He really did shoot him and murder him. 1.00

01:03:26.000 He really was a fucking crazy man. 1.00

01:03:28.000 And Steve Carell did a great job of playing that guy. 1.00

01:03:30.000 But they did so much Hollywood fuckery to a real story. 0.90

01:03:35.000 And that sucks because if people, like if I watched that, I wouldn't know the backstory. 0.79

01:03:38.000 I would assume that that would be an accurate portrayal of the history of it. 0.62

01:03:42.000 And it would change the course of at least what I thought about it.

01:03:46.000 Yes.

01:03:46.000 There was a lot of weird stuff, too.

01:03:48.000 They made it look like they were doing coke and they insinuated some freaky sexual stuff. 0.97

01:03:53.000 It was like, there's a lot of weirdness in that movie.

01:03:57.000 Why are you doing this?

01:03:59.000 But this is just Hollywood, man.

01:04:01.000 This is just what producers do.

01:04:03.000 You know, they think they know better and they want to make something exciting and so they fuck with reality to turn it into a based on an historical event or based on a real world story.

01:04:15.000 How you just described how you feel about those type of movies is exactly how I feel about them.

01:04:20.000 Just a different genre.

01:04:22.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:04:23.000 I mean, but even more insane, right?

01:04:26.000 Because it's war, which is the highest stakes that anybody can...

01:04:32.000 I mean, when you come to...

01:04:33.000 If you're involved in any very intense, difficult encounter, I think war is the highest stakes, the highest level of all those things.

01:04:44.000 In terms of time and the time it takes to achieve the end state, for sure.

01:04:49.000 Well, and also the results.

01:04:51.000 Like, what is happening?

01:04:54.000 Well, it's people trying to kill other people. 0.99

01:04:56.000 They're trying to kill you, you're trying to kill them. 0.95

01:04:57.000 You're trying to achieve a result. 0.90

01:04:59.000 And then the consequences of failure are devastating.

01:05:02.000 Yeah, they're drastic.

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:04.000 But, you know, it allows you, you can take those experiences and do amazing, positive things with them.

01:05:08.000 And Jocko is an example that I would point to with that.

01:05:11.000 Not everything that happens in the military applies to the civilian world.

01:05:16.000 You just can't take a lot of the things that the military does and apply them.

01:05:20.000 But some of the things you can do are the leadership lessons, which Jaco does.

01:05:24.000 I mean, he's freaking amazing at it, at taking those lessons and applying them and talking about them in manners that people can adapt them.

01:05:33.000 But not all the experiences are that way.

01:05:38.000 We should, I think, because people are fascinated with it Take what can improve society and so we don't have to relearn the lessons because, you know, I can't speak for Jocko, obviously, but the things that he learned and he talked about in his books or continues to talk about,

01:05:55.000 those were taught to all of us instead of the military.

01:05:57.000 And then somebody taught the person who taught us.

01:05:59.000 Like those have been passed along.

01:06:00.000 We need to spread the word a little bit farther and wider.

01:06:03.000 And that's what I'm saying.

01:06:04.000 It opens some doors and we're qualified or I'm qualified to go in that door, but in other doors I'm not qualified to go into.

01:06:11.000 Mm-hmm.

01:06:11.000 But if they're all open and you have your choice, you can get yourself in trouble.

01:06:18.000 Jaco is an example that I point to all the time of somebody who is taking those lessons that people are fascinated by and recapsulating them in terms that they can apply in their everyday life.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, there's certain human beings like him that are their fuel.

01:06:30.000 Like you can go to him and it will change your state. 0.99

01:06:35.000 Like, you could go to Jocko's Instagram page and watch one of his videos, and it'll enact a physical change in your state, and it'll go, fuck it, I'm going to the gym. 0.99

01:06:44.000 And you literally will go do something. 1.00

01:06:46.000 I'm getting my shit together. 0.98

01:06:47.000 I go the opposite. 0.97

01:06:48.000 I see his watch. 0.98

01:06:48.000 I'm like, get the fuck out of my screen. 0.98

01:06:50.000 I want to start a hashtag, like, up at a reasonable hour. 1.00

01:06:53.000 I just want to fuck with the... 0.98

01:06:56.000 For like a week, I would like wake up at 4.20 and like hashtag up before Jocko. 1.00

01:07:02.000 People got pissed and they didn't realize that we know each other.

01:07:06.000 Like I want to write a book, you know, instead of extreme ownership, it's like extremely limited ownership.

01:07:12.000 You know, there's no bad leaders, only bad teams would be chapter one.

01:07:15.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:07:16.000 And just go the other direction.

01:07:17.000 There's no bad audiences, only bad comedians.

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, I think Jocko, it's interesting that people would get mad at you because he does have this profound effect on people.

01:07:27.000 They're willing to defend him.

01:07:30.000 But that's also you reading comments.

01:07:32.000 You shouldn't be reading those.

01:07:33.000 Sometimes I have idle time.

01:07:35.000 I don't make good decisions always.

01:07:37.000 Go to YouTube, watch a fun video.

01:07:40.000 Cats or something.

01:07:41.000 YouTube comments.

01:07:43.000 Is that the worst of the worst?

01:07:45.000 Yeah, that's the bottom of the pit because you got to realize who's leaving YouTube comments.

01:07:49.000 You think Michael Jordan's out there leaving YouTube comments?

01:07:52.000 No.

01:07:52.000 Does LeBron James take time between practices and leave YouTube comments?

01:07:56.000 Probably not.

01:07:56.000 No, it's failures for the most part.

01:07:58.000 It's people with time or people that are at work and fucking hate their job and they have free time where they can just leave comments and that's one of the reasons why so many of them are toxic. 0.91

01:08:07.000 Super judgy. 0.88

01:08:08.000 I'm just basing it on what I believe to be facts.

01:08:12.000 I mean, there's reasonable comments.

01:08:16.000 Technology is something I'm very fascinated by, and I'll go to a technology YouTube page, and I'll watch someone doing a review of, say, a new Linux laptop, and then I'll go into the comments.

01:08:31.000 There's no negativity!

01:08:33.000 It's all nerds just talking about different builds and what they do for the kernels and this and that and how they break this down and restore that.

01:08:44.000 It's different.

01:08:46.000 For them, this is just an area of expertise and fascination.

01:08:50.000 But when it comes to social things, though, that's when things get wacky.

01:08:55.000 When it comes to political things, that's the grossest of the gross.

01:08:58.000 Anything involved in MAGA, You're not going to learn anything from that.

01:09:03.000 You're just going to...

01:09:03.000 It gets a little Western in the comments, for sure.

01:09:05.000 Oh, it's just mutations.

01:09:08.000 It's just...

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:09.000 And there's part of that.

01:09:11.000 It's like these natural systems.

01:09:14.000 There's too much comfort.

01:09:17.000 Too much idle time, not enough stimulation, not enough adversity, not enough accomplishment.

01:09:24.000 And unfettered access to information.

01:09:26.000 Yes, and bitterness and angry and a keyboard that works.

01:09:30.000 And there they go.

01:09:31.000 Off to the races. 1.00

01:09:32.000 Just typing, fucking spewing out hate. 1.00

01:09:37.000 I'll read it every now and then. 1.00

01:09:38.000 Not mine, but I'll read other people's just to see what the fuck people are up to. 1.00

01:09:43.000 And it's disturbing as shit, man. 0.99

01:09:45.000 What's crazy to me is when I see people responding in the comments to toxicity. 0.99

01:09:49.000 Like, what do you think?

01:09:50.000 You're going to change people's minds?

01:09:51.000 And what it actually does is let people know that you are paying attention, so it increases the toxicity.

01:09:56.000 In my experience, from what I've seen, they're like, oh, he took the time to read the comment and reply.

01:10:02.000 Game on.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, game on.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:10:04.000 Well, you're dealing with a specific type of person, the type of person that's willing to leave a comment on the YouTube page.

01:10:11.000 And it's just the overall...

01:10:14.000 I can't say I've never left one.

01:10:16.000 You've left them?

01:10:16.000 I have left a comment on a YouTube page like in my earlier days.

01:10:20.000 Oh, when you were young?

01:10:21.000 Yeah, it was like last year.

01:10:24.000 Mean stuff?

01:10:25.000 No, my policy on social media is that I refuse to be mean.

01:10:29.000 I won't name call. 0.97

01:10:30.000 And oftentimes when people are being dicks, I'll just tell them, thank you. 0.89

01:10:33.000 Like, you've definitely changed the way that I think about this. 0.98

01:10:36.000 I appreciate you taking the time and effort for this well-articulated thought. 1.00

01:10:40.000 Just to fuck with them. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Right. 1.00

01:10:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:42.000 And then they twist into fucking orbit. 0.99

01:10:45.000 That's true. 0.99

01:10:46.000 That definitely can happen.

01:10:48.000 And that's the best time to walk away is after the nice thank you for your dickish comment.

01:10:52.000 Just let them twist in the void.

01:10:54.000 Yeah, let them twist in the wind.

01:10:55.000 Just like, sorry, I'm off.

01:10:56.000 It's just a weird thing, man.

01:10:57.000 I mean, there's no way, obviously, to engage one-on-one in a physical way with all these people that are leaving comments.

01:11:05.000 But if they did, if you just sat down with these people and talked about it, it would be a very different sort of engagement.

01:11:12.000 It's just such a poor way to exchange information.

01:11:15.000 Well, they wouldn't say it to your face anyway.

01:11:17.000 They would change the verbiage that they used in a face-to-face conversation.

01:11:21.000 They're emotionally heated.

01:11:24.000 Again, a lot of it I put back to people letting their emotions drive their behavior and the way they communicate instead of detaching from that and being objective, which is easier to let the emotions do it when you're angry at a keyboard.

01:11:35.000 It'd be very hard to do face-to-face because there's consequences to your emotional behavior. 0.97

01:11:40.000 There's consequences for sure, but there's also you realize what a cunt you're being if you say something really mean to someone. 0.99

01:11:46.000 Even if you say something mean to a small girl, this 100-pound girl in front of you, and you say something mean, and you see her so that you feel bad, unless you're a sociopath. 0.99

01:11:56.000 And then there's issues with that as well.

01:12:00.000 They're out there.

01:12:01.000 They are out there, man.

01:12:02.000 I know a few.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:05.000 I went through Bud's with a sociopath.

01:12:08.000 The honor man of my Bud's class is still in jail for chopping people up and then disposing of their bodies with his wife.

01:12:15.000 Really?

01:12:15.000 Yeah.

01:12:16.000 Who were they chopping up?

01:12:18.000 I don't know the people, but they would bring people back from...

01:12:22.000 I know it happened at least once.

01:12:23.000 It might have happened multiple times.

01:12:25.000 But they would go to bars, find a couple, continue the after party afterwards, elicit an argument for...

01:12:45.000 We're good to go.

01:12:49.000 So he disposed of the bodies in multiple grocery store garbage dumpsters.

01:12:56.000 And then they eventually got caught because in the middle of the night they broke into a Hooters to steal t-shirts and got caught by the cops.

01:13:04.000 And I believe it was in her purse they found a Spyderco knife with like hair and like basically tissue still on the knife. 0.70

01:13:12.000 And I think the woman's ID. Whoa! 1.00

01:13:15.000 Yeah, it was a high-level criminal.

01:13:17.000 They really thought this one through.

01:13:19.000 And that's the only way they got caught?

01:13:21.000 That's how they got caught.

01:13:22.000 Imagine if they didn't break into Hooters.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, of course. 0.99

01:13:26.000 Well, first off, why the fuck are you breaking into Hooters for t-shirts? 1.00

01:13:28.000 Clean your knife, you dirty bitch. 1.00

01:13:30.000 But again, so this is sociopaths out there, and this is another thing that I try to tell people often. 1.00

01:13:35.000 The best people that I ever was around in my entire life was in the SEAL community, and my mortal enemies and the worst people I've ever seen on the face of the earth was in the SEAL community as well.

01:13:44.000 He was the honor man in my BUDS class, which, if I look back, he had passed more evolutions from a statistical perspective than anybody else in the class.

01:13:53.000 They weren't actually...

01:13:55.000 Viewing him through the lens of, is this person honorable?

01:13:58.000 They weren't grading him by his integrity.

01:14:01.000 But it just goes to show you that no selection process is perfect.

01:14:04.000 And if you can't separate an individual from an occupation or a uniform or a black belt, right? 0.99

01:14:10.000 If you think that because you have a black belt that you're going to be an awesome person or because somebody is a SEAL that you're going to be a great person, stand the fuck by. 0.98

01:14:17.000 And it's not the norm. 0.97

01:14:18.000 I don't want him as the anomaly to paint the norm, but it's important for people to remember that those people are out there.

01:14:26.000 And again, they can leverage – from my background, they can leverage the fascination, the curiosity, people wanting to give back.

01:14:31.000 I mean one of the most common questions that I get from people is – How can I thank people for their service?

01:14:37.000 I'm like, well, A, just say thank you.

01:14:38.000 And then my answer to them is B is provide them an opportunity if you feel it's necessary, but don't allow them – don't do anything for them and don't give them any special treatment.

01:14:46.000 Make them earn it.

01:14:49.000 Because then you can get a true look at the individual as opposed to perhaps just the shiny object that you were focusing on before.

01:14:56.000 Interesting.

01:14:57.000 So treat them as an individual.

01:14:59.000 Thank them, but treat them as an individual and judge them based on the merits of their behavior and their worth.

01:15:06.000 100%.

01:15:06.000 Not off the merits of their background.

01:15:08.000 If you have a job, you're like, hey, I want to provide opportunities for veterans.

01:15:12.000 No problem.

01:15:13.000 Provide the opportunities for veterans, but treat them exactly like the person who is in the cubicle next to them, if it's in that environment, obviously.

01:15:20.000 And if you hold...

01:15:21.000 The person that was a non-veteran to a certain standard, you better hold the veteran to the same standard.

01:15:26.000 Don't let them get away with anything because it doesn't help them either.

01:15:31.000 Right.

01:15:31.000 You know, it helps everybody in the organization if you set the standard and make sure everybody holds it.

01:15:37.000 It's insidious to an organization to set a standard.

01:15:39.000 And why is this guy getting special treatment like, dude, he was a SEAL. He gives a fuck. 1.00

01:15:43.000 It's just a job title. 1.00

01:15:46.000 And if that person is sociopathic or they are – there's a bell curve.

01:15:51.000 There's a top 10 percent and the top and the bottom 10 percent.

01:15:56.000 If he's in that bottom 10 percent, by holding him to that standard, you're going to get an objective viewpoint of that as opposed to just being blinded by whatever it may be.

01:16:03.000 It's interesting, but only you can say that or someone in your position can say that.

01:16:07.000 It's very difficult for someone who's a non-veteran to say anything remotely close to that.

01:16:12.000 Well, I hope they listen then because they don't need to say that.

01:16:15.000 They just need to act.

01:16:17.000 They need to just live that. 0.97

01:16:18.000 They need to structure their organization with that framework so it's objective, not subjective.

01:16:24.000 It's like people look at being a SEAL. It's not a Harry Potter wand.

01:16:27.000 I have probably a familiarity and comfort with weapons and tactics more than your average person.

01:16:35.000 But if I'm being completely honest about my old job, I could teach a monkey to do most of the things that I did.

01:16:41.000 I'm serious.

01:16:42.000 I could teach a monkey to do the things that we did.

01:16:45.000 We're not out there doing nuclear physics.

01:16:48.000 You're out there doing, you know, we find an individual.

01:16:51.000 How are we going to get there?

01:16:52.000 Okay, let's figure out how we're going to get there.

01:16:54.000 We train to those standards.

01:16:55.000 We get on target.

01:16:56.000 Everything is based on tactics and standard operating procedures or TTPs, tactics, techniques, and procedures.

01:17:03.000 And everybody is trained to those standards, so you know what to expect from somebody, whether they're from an East Coast team or a West Coast team.

01:17:09.000 You can meet in the middle, and we all are taught to clear rooms the same way, and it's just – it's not complicated.

01:17:18.000 Actually, the way to make us less effective and efficient would be to make it complicated.

01:17:23.000 The simpler that you can make it, the better you're going to be.

01:17:26.000 That makes sense.

01:17:28.000 I mean it makes – but it's also – The mind of a seal.

01:17:33.000 The type of person that can get through buds.

01:17:37.000 That's complicated.

01:17:39.000 That's complicated in just being able to control your mind.

01:17:42.000 One of the things that you said in one of the times we talked about it was someone who's able to keep their world small.

01:17:48.000 We were in Utah.

01:17:49.000 Yeah.

01:17:51.000 I'm like, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

01:17:53.000 Keep your world small.

01:17:55.000 That applies to what's happening right now, too.

01:17:58.000 So what you're talking about, you know, BUDS is a physical test.

01:18:04.000 You're actually, I would say, having gone back as an instructor, which I learned much more about the process applying the curriculum as opposed to going through it, because as a student, you're just like, ah, I want this day to be over.

01:18:16.000 As an instructor, you can kind of, and you also don't really know what you're going to do the next day as a student.

01:18:21.000 As an instructor, I can look at the entire curriculum and I think?

01:18:33.000 We're stressing the body.

01:18:34.000 We're going to make you tired, hungry, hypothermic.

01:18:38.000 We're going to get you so exhausted to the point that you're going to hallucinate.

01:18:41.000 And then we're going to take a look at how you behave.

01:18:43.000 Do you value we over me?

01:18:45.000 One of the first things they do in BUDS, you're explaining the concept of a swim buddy.

01:18:49.000 And you don't get to go anywhere farther than six feet away from another human being for that six-month time period.

01:18:55.000 That is the opposite of most people's mentality.

01:18:57.000 And you can test it early on.

01:18:59.000 You'll yell at them and you'll say, hey, you got 30 seconds to go run out to the ocean and get wet.

01:19:03.000 And in the first few days, they just take off and they start running because they forgot about their swim buddy.

01:19:07.000 They're me-centric.

01:19:09.000 And so you bring them back and you punish them.

01:19:15.000 We're good to go.

01:19:31.000 From the SEAL community.

01:19:32.000 If you talk to people, where my experience has been is in talking to people, in their most dire moments where things are getting the worst, they're often more concerned about the people to their left and right than they are about themselves.

01:19:43.000 My biggest fear probably, I know what it was in the SEAL community, but to this day, is that I am not going to be there when somebody needs me.

01:19:51.000 That was my biggest fear in the SEAL community that I wasn't going to live up to the standard of the people to the left and right held at me and that they were going to suffer for it.

01:19:59.000 I was more concerned about letting them down than myself getting hurt or killed.

01:20:02.000 And that starts with that ethos from SEAL training, but it's not a complicated course.

01:20:08.000 We're stressing the body to stress the mind.

01:20:11.000 And if you look at the people who make it through, so when I went back as an instructor, As a student, when you're going through training, if somebody next to you quits, you never see them again. 0.99

01:20:21.000 Like, there's no, hey, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

01:20:23.000 Like, they're just gone. 0.98

01:20:24.000 And you continue on with your day because you just want to graduate the program.

01:20:27.000 As an instructor, you can talk to those people and you can ask really important questions.

01:20:32.000 And my favorite question is, why?

01:20:34.000 You said this was your lifelong goal.

01:20:36.000 This is all you've ever wanted to do.

01:20:39.000 You left a D1 scholarship to come here because you saw for yourself no value in the higher education and you wanted to come to the SEAL community and you quit.

01:20:49.000 Why?

01:20:50.000 Time and time and time again, the answer I would get from the students is they got overwhelmed.

01:20:54.000 So they were doing the opposite of keeping their world small.

01:20:57.000 Because there's two ways you can look at BUDS. It's 180 days long, I think plus or minus one or two.

01:21:02.000 Or you could look at it as a sunrise and a sunset 180 times.

01:21:07.000 So you could look at a pie and go, oh my god, I have to eat this whole thing.

01:21:10.000 Or you can look at a slice and eat the slice and not worry about the rest of the slices and keep doing that and doing that until the training process is complete.

01:21:19.000 Hell Week is another good example. 0.55

01:21:20.000 It starts Sunday in the evening and ends Friday in the afternoon and you get about two hours of sleep on Wednesday.

01:21:26.000 That's it. 0.98

01:21:28.000 It's It's horrendous to go through and it's pretty entertaining as an instructor because you can just totally fuck with the students because they're off their rocker by Tuesday afternoon. 0.97

01:21:37.000 But almost all of the attrition occurs from Sunday night until I'd say Tuesday morning. 0.89

01:21:42.000 And beyond that, you're probably going to make it through because you've invested so much.

01:21:45.000 But the advice that I was given when I went through was don't look at Hell Week as a five-day pipeline.

01:21:51.000 Just make it to your next meal.

01:21:53.000 They have to feed you every six hours.

01:21:54.000 So if I can stack six hours on six hours on six hours and just focus on getting to the next meal, doesn't matter how much I'm in pain, doesn't matter how cold I am, if I can just get to the next meal, I'll get a reprieve, a mental reset, and I can continue on.

01:22:11.000 That's That in combination with some, you know, the mental toughness is how you approach and set your goals and then resilience.

01:22:20.000 And my definition of resilience would be the ability to get bent and come back stronger than you were before.

01:22:25.000 And the way you do that is by bending yourself as often as possible, which...

01:22:29.000 You do all the time by running sprints.

01:22:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:22:31.000 You're doing that stuff.

01:22:32.000 You're mentally tough because of that.

01:22:34.000 And if you can apply that resilience to setting and approaching your goals from digestible perspectives, you can accomplish an insane amount.

01:22:45.000 I mean, it's a physical test, but we're just testing the mind.

01:22:47.000 Can the individual ignore the big and focus on the small?

01:22:51.000 Can you do the step that you need to do and not get overwhelmed, regardless if you're tired, exhausted, hungry, cold?

01:22:57.000 I mean, that's really all it is.

01:22:59.000 It's not a complex training program.

01:23:01.000 There's the ocean.

01:23:03.000 There's the beach.

01:23:04.000 There's some telephone poles.

01:23:05.000 There's some boats.

01:23:06.000 And then later on, we introduce scuba gear and towards the tail end of it, you know, some demolition and pistol and rifle.

01:23:14.000 How many days can you stay awake for where it becomes dangerous for your health?

01:23:19.000 I don't know.

01:23:20.000 It's dangerous for their health in Hell Week.

01:23:22.000 What the students probably don't realize is there is a huge safety network for them.

01:23:27.000 You don't see it as a student because you're so just task saturated.

01:23:30.000 There are MDs walking around all over the place.

01:23:34.000 There's people constantly, you know, we're checking the temperature of the water.

01:23:37.000 We'll take core body temperatures on the students. 0.63

01:23:39.000 We're keeping a very good eye and we're buffering them because by about Wednesday they're brain dead.

01:23:44.000 I don't know how long you could stay awake without suffering some severe physical consequences.

01:23:48.000 So they literally get two hours of sleep in the whole week?

01:23:51.000 You might get a little bit of break time.

01:23:53.000 It's actually on the wall at the Bud's compound.

01:23:55.000 It pays to be a winner.

01:23:57.000 And the inverse of that is incredibly true.

01:24:00.000 It does not pay to be a loser in the SEAL community.

01:24:02.000 And for clarity, loser is anything other than first place in the community that I came from.

01:24:06.000 The podium has one platform, not three. 0.98

01:24:10.000 So if you win, you might get 15 minutes off while we're hammering the shit out of the rest of the class.

01:24:14.000 So if you win a task?

01:24:16.000 If you win a task like in Hell Week, you'll sit by the— Tasks such as?

01:24:20.000 A boat crew race is a perfect one. 1.00

01:24:22.000 Jamie can pull up a picture.

01:24:24.000 It's Bud's Hell Week Boat Crew Race, and there'll be students running with boats on their heads.

01:24:35.000 We're good to go.

01:24:55.000 Yep, there you go.

01:24:56.000 Yeah, look at that neck on that front right guy. 0.99

01:24:59.000 Yeah, he might have some disc issues later on in life.

01:25:02.000 But they'll do short races. 0.98

01:25:03.000 They'll do long ones.

01:25:04.000 How much does that boat weigh?

01:25:05.000 Oh, that's a good question.

01:25:08.000 It looks inflatable.

01:25:09.000 It is.

01:25:10.000 It's an IBS. Inflatable boat small.

01:25:12.000 But still probably 150, 200 pounds.

01:25:16.000 And then you got to imagine sometimes there's water sloshing around in there.

01:25:19.000 Sometimes they'll get sand in there.

01:25:20.000 Because we do let them paddle.

01:25:21.000 They'll do races where they have to run, go out past the surf zone, flip the boat over for no reason other than it's difficult and it forces them to get wet, right the boat, come back in, continue the race.

01:25:33.000 Woo! 0.99

01:25:34.000 So if you win that, you might get 15 minutes while we're mediating the class.

01:25:37.000 And we know what's going to happen in that 15 minutes.

01:25:39.000 You see people sleeping standing up.

01:25:41.000 You see people face down on a high-lick track in the sand sleeping.

01:25:45.000 They're sitting there sleeping.

01:25:46.000 And it's kind of just a reward and you just leave them alone.

01:25:49.000 So you let them sleep for 15 minutes?

01:25:50.000 We'll give you a little bit, yeah. 1.00

01:25:51.000 And then wake up, bitch. 1.00

01:25:52.000 Pretty much. 1.00

01:25:52.000 Back to work. 1.00

01:25:53.000 Get right back on that ocean.

01:25:55.000 Wow.

01:25:56.000 Five days of that.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:59.000 You learn about people in that.

01:26:00.000 You learn a lot and you see people push to the point where do you care about me over we?

01:26:07.000 And we get rid of the people who cannot prioritize we over me. 0.99

01:26:12.000 Damn. 1.00

01:26:12.000 Arrogance comes out. 1.00

01:26:13.000 You'll see it a lot in the leadership as well.

01:26:16.000 The students are largely the same.

01:26:19.000 Like from a physiological perspective, there's ones that are faster runners and from a contractile potential, like more stamina or cardiorespiratory endurance.

01:26:28.000 But most of them are the same.

01:26:30.000 It's like probably like a 3% difference between the students.

01:26:32.000 But these little pods of seven people...

01:26:35.000 Some of them can work together and they're just crushing it.

01:26:37.000 And other ones, you'll see, you know, there's oars in the boat.

01:26:41.000 So when they run, they're stuffed on the top and you'll see they'll be out paddling and then you'll just see a sword fight start with people just knocking each other's heads off with oars.

01:26:48.000 Really? 1.00

01:26:49.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:26:49.000 Because look, I mean, imagine how exhausted you are. 1.00

01:26:51.000 You are so exposed and raw.

01:26:55.000 So suppressed as a human being, like from all the physical tools that we have, that the real person comes out.

01:27:01.000 And sometimes boat crews will just eject a person.

01:27:04.000 They will hate that person so much because they might be selfish or arrogant or they're not pulling their weight. 0.99

01:27:09.000 And they will just harp on that person or beat the shit out of the person. 0.99

01:27:12.000 Eventually they'll end up quitting. 0.82

01:27:13.000 Now, when they do get in a sword fight, what do you do?

01:27:16.000 Do you kick them out if they get in sword fights or do you let them sort it out?

01:27:20.000 I'm going to let them sort it out.

01:27:21.000 Wow.

01:27:22.000 Plus they're out in the water and I'm not going out there.

01:27:27.000 A lot of the times you're watching it through binos.

01:27:30.000 It seems like that's one of those things that once you get through, and once you get through BUDS, and once you get through Hell Week, and once you get through all the difficult physical tasks, and you actually become a SEAL, how many people maintain that sort of Goggins, Jocko level of discipline and keep training constantly,

01:27:48.000 and how many people do the bare minimum?

01:27:51.000 It's hard to say.

01:27:53.000 There are people who slip. 0.99

01:27:54.000 What are the requirements once you've gone through all that shit? 1.00

01:27:58.000 There's very few. 0.99

01:27:59.000 And I can only speak from when I was in 2013. I left the last day of June of 2013. So if it has changed since then, I don't know anything about it.

01:28:08.000 But the Navy, obviously you're a Navy SEAL, so you're governed by the United States Navy.

01:28:13.000 They make you do a PRT, a physical readiness test, which is running, pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups.

01:28:20.000 And a swim, I think, because we're SEALs.

01:28:23.000 And your wife could meet the standards.

01:28:27.000 My 11-year-old daughter could probably meet.

01:28:29.000 They're not crazy is what I'm saying.

01:28:31.000 So the bar, if you trip over the bar at that point, your hamstrings don't work. 1.00

01:28:37.000 You suck. 0.99

01:28:40.000 But there are varying levels. 1.00

01:28:41.000 There are people who are very like the individuals that you're talking about.

01:28:45.000 And then there are others that will let it slip, and they slip a percentage point over time.

01:28:51.000 There's some obese, disgustingly overweight seals, not many, and everything in between.

01:29:01.000 So it'd be hard for me to give you exact numbers on that.

01:29:03.000 I would say more guys trend towards The Jocko Goggins realm.

01:29:09.000 Because it's a very self-critiquing community in most ways.

01:29:12.000 It's like working inside of a piranha tank and if there's a drop of blood, they're just like, yes, I'll eat you now.

01:29:18.000 We're very hard on each other, for sure.

01:29:20.000 How many of them are involved in martial arts?

01:29:24.000 Uh...

01:29:28.000 Again, hard to say because I know it has drastically changed since I was in.

01:29:32.000 The amount of – so I was telling you before, I sat down with Henner Gracie yesterday and we were just talking a lot about his interaction with law enforcement and how they got started and it was with the Rodney King riots.

01:29:42.000 Actually, I didn't know that but that's when they started interfacing with law enforcement.

01:29:45.000 Really?

01:29:45.000 Yeah.

01:29:46.000 He had his dad, the generation before him, they started sitting on a panel, you know, talking about, I think essentially combatives with the, you know, hand on hand type stuff with the LAPD. But that's where it started and it's grown since then.

01:30:03.000 When I went through...

01:30:06.000 I don't remember much discussion of martial arts at all.

01:30:10.000 There was prisoner handling or, you know, detaining people and cuffing them.

01:30:14.000 The terminating point would be to get their hands behind their back and flex cuff them. 0.80

01:30:18.000 We didn't use metal handcuffs.

01:30:19.000 We would use tie ties, you know, just because you can put a lot, you can slide them in your gear and just easily cinch on them.

01:30:26.000 But I think that it has drastically changed since I have been in it.

01:30:31.000 I think a lot of that, though, is driven by individuals.

01:30:34.000 I mean, I'm sure you see it. 0.97

01:30:35.000 I mean, I feel so stupid being late to the game, to jiu-jitsu.

01:30:41.000 And I know that it is definitely...

01:30:43.000 I don't want to say invading all of those communities, but that might be a good term. 1.00

01:30:47.000 Infecting.

01:30:48.000 There's a groundswell from guys who are learning on their own.

01:30:51.000 So it's increasing, but it was not prevalent when I was in.

01:30:54.000 Unless you were an individual practitioner doing it on your own or had a buddy that would do it with you.

01:30:59.000 Really?

01:31:00.000 That's interesting.

01:31:00.000 I would have assumed that it would have been a core part of training, like from the beginning, just to build character and to understand what happens if you do lose your gun or if you are in a situation where you don't have a weapon.

01:31:13.000 Yeah.

01:31:14.000 Well, there's not a lot of situations in real life that you can point back to from my community where that has happened.

01:31:20.000 And quite frankly, ego gets into the way.

01:31:22.000 And you'll hear guys say things like, well, why do I need to...

01:31:26.000 Bro, I don't need to go hands-on with anybody.

01:31:28.000 This is all I got right here.

01:31:30.000 And that's purely just ego.

01:31:32.000 Right.

01:31:33.000 What ends up happening is – and I was talking with Henner about this yesterday and I have a much better understanding of it now.

01:31:40.000 You can elicit actions from people if you don't know what you're doing.

01:31:44.000 If you do have to go hands-on and you're trying to detain somebody but you're asking about how much I weighed, right?

01:31:49.000 How much gear I had.

01:31:50.000 So I usually would float somewhere between 205 to 215 when I was in.

01:31:54.000 So add 80 to 90 pounds on top of that, and now I'm kneeling on your back.

01:31:59.000 But I don't understand weight distribution.

01:32:01.000 I don't understand leverage.

01:32:03.000 I don't understand the way that the joints move that well.

01:32:06.000 And you're trying to comply, but I'm applying so much weight to you that it's forcing you towards a fight-or-flight situation.

01:32:12.000 And you can...

01:32:16.000 Increase the deadliness of these situations unintentionally and get yourself into a position where you might have to take somebody's life, but they didn't deserve it.

01:32:26.000 It was actually your fault because you drove them to that point because you were not judiciously applying the pressure that you needed to.

01:32:33.000 Well, you see that with police when you watch videos of cops trying to detain suspects and then they lose control of the situation.

01:32:40.000 And it's purely because they don't have an understanding of how to control a person.

01:32:43.000 They run out of tools.

01:32:44.000 I have a ton of empathy for law enforcement.

01:32:48.000 If you're out on the streets and you have verbal commands and then a taser and maybe a pepper spray is in there somewhere, I don't even know if they still use that, but then your next resource is a gun.

01:32:58.000 And you rapidly go through all those options.

01:33:00.000 I understand how those situations occur and I'm not trying to justify them in any way whatsoever, but I understand what happens when you reach the limits of your tools and you're left with what you think is a life-threatening situation.

01:33:10.000 Henner has some great videos of breaking down what goes wrong with police when they're trying to detain someone.

01:33:17.000 I mean, it's oftentimes two and three on one and they wind up getting killed.

01:33:21.000 There's videos of guys having a suspect on the ground and a suspect who's not trained in martial arts.

01:33:26.000 But unfortunately, the cops aren't either. 0.99

01:33:29.000 And they're doing these stupid things and hitting this person and trying to control them. 1.00

01:33:33.000 And then the guy gets out, gets to his car, pulls out a gun and kills them. 1.00

01:33:37.000 And I've watched a video like that recently.

01:33:40.000 So the guy who got me into jujitsu is a sheriff.

01:33:45.000 I actually just, the only reason I started is because I wanted him to shut up.

01:33:49.000 I had known him for like a year and he's like, jiu-jitsu.

01:33:52.000 And for me, it's like the harder you push that at me, I'm like, I'm not doing it ever.

01:33:55.000 I don't care.

01:33:56.000 Oh, you like carrot cake?

01:33:57.000 I'm never having a piece of carrot cake.

01:33:59.000 I will not have a piece.

01:34:01.000 So, we were at my house, drunk, downstairs at the bar, and he was just like, you know, we were standing there drinking, he tried to put me like a standing head and armchair, he's like, this is how I would choke.

01:34:10.000 He was like, if you start right now, you'll never tap me.

01:34:13.000 He was a four-stripe white belt at the time, got his blue belt shortly after.

01:34:16.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:34:17.000 If you start right now, you'll never tap me?

01:34:18.000 So, he claims he didn't say this. 1.00

01:34:20.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:34:20.000 Oh, that's so funny. 1.00

01:34:21.000 He said it, so I went to a class, like, the next day, and, uh...

01:34:25.000 And fell in love with it.

01:34:26.000 And he got pulled into and started jiu-jitsu because a buddy of his got into a damn near life or death fight where I live up in Kalispell.

01:34:34.000 Sheriff's Department doesn't have that many people on shift.

01:34:37.000 And a response time of 20 to 30 minutes is possible for sure.

01:34:41.000 So this guy goes out and he's in the fight for his life in like two feet of snow in the wintertime.

01:34:45.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:34:45.000 And I think one of the first things that happened was his radio got ripped off.

01:34:48.000 That's a fucking problem, right? 0.99

01:34:50.000 If you need to call for backup. 0.99

01:34:51.000 But fortunately they have procedures like...

01:34:53.000 I guess if you check in and then for a certain period of time, like if you don't, people start moving their car in the right direction, start coming to you.

01:34:59.000 If you don't check in in a longer period of time, you know, the lights and sirens come on.

01:35:03.000 So other people came.

01:35:05.000 He was okay.

01:35:06.000 And he just got his brown belt not too long. 0.98

01:35:08.000 He's a savage.

01:35:09.000 So what happened to him?

01:35:11.000 Obviously, I wasn't there, but it was – he pulled somebody over for a particular reason.

01:35:16.000 I don't know what it was.

01:35:18.000 And this is an interesting thing too that I've come to understand better, developing friendships with law enforcement.

01:35:24.000 They come up to a car and they're just – they're doing a stop and it's another touch point for their day.

01:35:30.000 But somebody in a car might be in the back of their mind thinking, oh my god, I have a misdemeanor or a felony.

01:35:36.000 I might be going to prison for the rest of my life.

01:35:39.000 So two very different head spaces as they converge.

01:35:43.000 In this instance, I believe there's a pistol that was in between the driver's seat and the little center console.

01:35:48.000 The individual went for it and somehow they came out of the car and it just became a scuffle at that point and they fought until other cops arrived and basically dogpiled on the person and ended it.

01:35:59.000 And it was over, I believe they were at that for like 10 to 15 minutes.

01:36:03.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:36:04.000 And for people who don't understand how hard it is to go that hard for 10 or 15 minutes, I mean, fuck. 1.00

01:36:09.000 Well, if they weren't in shape and that guy was, that would have been death. 0.99

01:36:13.000 So, he...

01:36:16.000 I found jujitsu.

01:36:17.000 He just got his brown belt.

01:36:19.000 He's awesome.

01:36:19.000 But he started my buddy who made that comment.

01:36:22.000 And then I have started – they'll do defensive tactics stuff.

01:36:26.000 I've helped him out twice where I'll just go and I'll be a role player.

01:36:28.000 I'll just lay there on the ground and put my hands underneath my chest and they have to try to cuff me.

01:36:32.000 And it's an eye-opening experience.

01:36:34.000 I mean I've been at this for 18 months.

01:36:35.000 I'll be the first to tell you.

01:36:58.000 I don't It was interesting.

01:37:01.000 I saw some of the same stuff where you can elicit responses for people.

01:37:04.000 I was resisting, but not a crazy amount.

01:37:08.000 And the amount of pressure that they started applying to me, grabbing fingers and pulling my fingers back, I wanted to ramp it up, just like anybody else would.

01:37:20.000 So without that skill or without that tool in their tool belt, You run out of options.

01:37:27.000 I mean, they have a dangerous job as it is.

01:37:32.000 And so after doing that defensive tactics, it's actually why I created this shirt.

01:37:37.000 What is that shirt?

01:37:39.000 Street Blast Gym International?

01:37:41.000 SPG is where I train.

01:37:42.000 It was founded by Matt Thornton, and my coach was Travis Davison.

01:37:45.000 He was here the last time.

01:37:46.000 And that's the same SPG as in Ireland?

01:37:48.000 Yeah.

01:37:49.000 Kavanaugh is one of the coaches.

01:37:51.000 So where did it start?

01:37:53.000 Matt Thornton started it.

01:37:55.000 He got his black belt from Chris Howder.

01:37:57.000 Chris Howder is a Machado guy.

01:37:58.000 Correct.

01:38:01.000 Hegan Machado, I believe, Howder, Matt, and then my coach, Travis, who you met the last time I was on, is the owner of the SBGs. 0.97

01:38:09.000 But you talk to these guys and we do this session and You can see that their eyes are kind of wide, like, what the fuck just happened?

01:38:19.000 And then the next thing I want to know is about cost. 0.85

01:38:22.000 And Travis does an awesome job, and I think it's SPG-wide.

01:38:25.000 They will give a discount for law enforcement, but I feel like it's so important for them, and I want them to be better at doing their job for my family.

01:38:32.000 So I literally just made this shirt, and every penny that goes from the sale of the shirt, I'm going to start doing scholarships.

01:38:39.000 Not all the way for the guys because they need to have some skin in the game.

01:38:42.000 But I want to get as many law enforcement and first responders on the mats as possible.

01:38:46.000 So I want to lower the cost working with Travis and the SBG organization to start with to just get people in the door.

01:38:54.000 Because, I mean, you know this probably better than anybody.

01:38:57.000 Like you don't actually have to know that much. 0.99

01:38:59.000 To radically increase your safety, especially if you're dealing with somebody who doesn't know shit. 0.99

01:39:04.000 Yeah, the average bluebell could manhandle the average human. 1.00

01:39:07.000 Yes.

01:39:07.000 And imagine if every police officer or first responder had that ability, whether it comes to dealing...

01:39:12.000 Because, you know, these guys are not dealing with people.

01:39:14.000 It's not like, hey, Joe, it's great to see you today.

01:39:16.000 Nobody calls 911 and is like, oh my God, let me tell you about the most awesome day that I just had.

01:39:22.000 Are you ready for this? 1.00

01:39:24.000 Fuck, it was my birthday. 1.00

01:39:25.000 We had a party. 1.00

01:39:26.000 There was a cake.

01:39:27.000 The presents were amazing.

01:39:28.000 No, it's like, oh my, they're going to crisis.

01:39:31.000 They're dealing with drunk people.

01:39:32.000 They're dealing with people who are on drugs.

01:39:35.000 And I don't want to see anybody get hurt or killed, specifically them.

01:39:38.000 So I want to have more tools.

01:39:40.000 And I don't want them to have an economic...

01:39:43.000 Buffer to that.

01:39:44.000 So trying to raise as much, or not raise as much money, but sell as many shirts as possible and then go all that money towards scholarshipping those guys into the organization.

01:39:51.000 That's awesome.

01:39:51.000 I love it.

01:39:52.000 That's awesome.

01:39:53.000 Yeah, I think all martial arts, I mean, I think they should learn striking for sure.

01:39:57.000 But I think that out of all martial arts, jujitsu for a law enforcement officer is probably the most important because the struggle for a gun, the struggle for, you know, getting ahold of someone pulling a gun and being able to control their arm and getting ahold of them, it's so critical.

01:40:10.000 Well, you can stop stuff early, too.

01:40:12.000 Even just a simple arm drag.

01:40:13.000 You can see people's body language like, oh, okay. 0.99

01:40:18.000 Or you don't know shit. 0.99

01:40:19.000 Or this is about to get a little wild. 0.99

01:40:22.000 Or they pull it back.

01:40:23.000 Or you see people start to clench their fins.

01:40:27.000 You can see those behaviors in a simple arm drag where you can step behind and control the other arm.

01:40:33.000 For a law enforcement officer to understand that concept and be able to do that, you're already in control.

01:40:38.000 Whereas if you don't, you see the guy, and the next thing you know, you're in a boxing match, and it's like, I don't know, maybe you were a Golden Gloves boxer, and maybe your teeth are going to get fucking knocked out, and you're going to get a knock, your family's going to get a knock on the door.

01:40:48.000 Yeah.

01:40:49.000 Easily.

01:40:50.000 Yeah. 0.82

01:40:50.000 Yeah, I always try to tell people, you know, for every law enforcement video that you see where things went wrong, when someone was a piece of shit, and some cop did something horribly abusive, you've got to think of the millions of interactions that cops have with people who don't go. 0.82

01:41:06.000 Daily. 0.80

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 You're getting a very biased perspective of what it's like to be a law enforcement officer.

01:41:13.000 And then on top of that, I'm a big supporter of law enforcement, always have been, because I'm a person who understands the necessity.

01:41:19.000 I understand what a lawless world would look like.

01:41:23.000 And people only want to look at the cops that have done poorly.

01:41:28.000 But it's like what you were talking about with SEALs, with anything.

01:41:31.000 The bottom 10%, the top 10%.

01:41:33.000 There's a certain type of person that's a police officer that shouldn't be a cop.

01:41:38.000 They just shouldn't be a cop.

01:41:39.000 And a lot of times those are the ones you're seeing in these situations.

01:41:42.000 And also, a lot of times when you're looking at these videos, you're looking at someone who's got severe PTSD. Untreated, unrespected, they're encountering every day, they're encountering liars and thieves, and at any moment, they're pulling somebody over and they could lose their life.

01:41:58.000 At any moment, they're looking at this car, and it's got tinted windows, they don't know who's in the backseat, and they're like, fuck, is there a shotgun pointed at my face right now? 0.99

01:42:06.000 Right. 0.98

01:42:29.000 And then those two things can combine and it's like, poof.

01:42:32.000 Yeah.

01:42:32.000 It's a tough world.

01:42:33.000 I have a ton of empathy for people who operate in that world.

01:42:37.000 And if you've never had to make decisions like that in time-compressed environments, it's hard to describe.

01:42:42.000 Yeah, and I was driving down the street once in LA, and there was a billboard where they were trying to hire police officers, and they were touting how much money you get paid.

01:42:51.000 And I remember thinking, looking at that billboard, that is one of the worst pieces of motivation.

01:42:59.000 Like, if that's your motivation to be a police officer, look, you can get $35,000 a year to start.

01:43:04.000 Like, hey, get out now.

01:43:07.000 Get out now.

01:43:07.000 Because if you don't truly love the idea of being a law enforcement officer, if you're not truly in love with that, and you're just saying, oh, this is a good way to make $50,000 a year.

01:43:17.000 There's better ways to make $50,000 a year than aren't going to have a risk to your life on a daily, hourly basis.

01:43:23.000 Ideally, what you'd want is everyone who's doing it to want to do good for the community and want to make the world a better place.

01:43:30.000 That's ideal.

01:43:31.000 And then you get varying levels in between that and the people that are just doing it because they don't have another way to make 50 grand a year.

01:43:38.000 Yeah.

01:43:39.000 It's kind of the same as military, too.

01:43:43.000 The military is a stable paycheck, but if you're coming to the military for the money, you're probably better off doing a shorter tenure or tour.

01:43:52.000 If you want to stay for longer and you want to dive deep, it probably, at least from my opinion, would be that you need to have some sense of purpose or calling that is coming from that occupation as well, because you're not going to get rich in the military, for sure.

01:44:08.000 What you get out of that though, the one thing that I notice from military folks and just from, whether it's team guys or just people that have, there's a level of discipline that I know that you have.

01:44:22.000 If you've had a successful career in the military, particularly if you're a team guy, there's a level of discipline that you have that gives me comfort. 0.95

01:44:30.000 I'm like, I know this guy's got his shit together. 0.93

01:44:31.000 I have selective discipline. 1.00

01:44:34.000 Yeah, but you can turn it on.

01:44:35.000 Up at a reasonable hour.

01:44:37.000 Some people can't turn it on, though.

01:44:38.000 You can turn it on.

01:44:40.000 I can. 1.00

01:44:41.000 There's something about wanting to sleep late just to say, fuck you, that's kind of appealing as well. 1.00

01:44:47.000 The guy that gets up at 4.30 every fucking morning like Jocko. 1.00

01:44:51.000 He's possessed. 1.00

01:44:52.000 It's understandable. 0.88

01:44:53.000 He's got a demon in his head.

01:44:55.000 You're not putting that fire out with regular water.

01:44:59.000 But there's the discipline.

01:45:02.000 Is the big thing, man.

01:45:03.000 The ability to push through.

01:45:05.000 Well, it's what makes you successful in the military.

01:45:06.000 Because the military, and I think this is a reason why some people will struggle when they get out.

01:45:10.000 The military is a very task-centric organization.

01:45:13.000 They will set for you parameters, left and right boundaries.

01:45:16.000 And they'll say, if you want to get to XYZ, you're starting at A. These are the things that you have to do.

01:45:22.000 The people who are efficient at traveling from A to Z are the ones who are disciplined to take that next step.

01:45:27.000 They keep the world small.

01:45:28.000 They focus on the breadcrumb in front of them.

01:45:30.000 And once you do that and can understand that concept, you can apply it to any aspect of your life.

01:45:37.000 What gets some guys, and it got me too, when you get out, you're like, well, who's going to give me the task?

01:45:42.000 Right.

01:45:43.000 Who's telling me what needs to be done?

01:45:44.000 Right.

01:45:45.000 And the answer is you.

01:45:46.000 So you see guys, they're just wildly entrepreneurial because they'll find something they're passionate about and then they apply that same concept of just continuing to go forward.

01:45:55.000 They'll have micro failures, but they don't allow micro failures to impact macro outcomes, right?

01:46:01.000 Because it's, again, small versus large.

01:46:02.000 Yeah.

01:46:03.000 And you'll see them bounce around and it is largely that discipline and there's no secret...

01:46:10.000 Recipe to it.

01:46:12.000 It's like people, again, Jocko's hilarious to this.

01:46:14.000 People are like, Jocko, what should I do to eat better?

01:46:17.000 And his response will be, eat better.

01:46:20.000 He answers their rhetorical question with a portion of the rhetorical question.

01:46:25.000 Jocko, how do I clean up my diet?

01:46:26.000 Clean up your diet.

01:46:28.000 It's not rocket surgery.

01:46:29.000 What's going on with people is that they just want to talk.

01:46:33.000 Well, it's easier than action.

01:46:33.000 They just want to talk about it.

01:46:34.000 Yeah, they want to talk about it.

01:46:36.000 Like, how should I get going?

01:46:37.000 What should I do?

01:46:38.000 Like, what's a good way to do it?

01:46:39.000 And you can give them a little bit of advice.

01:46:41.000 Like, my advice is always write things down that you want to do.

01:46:43.000 What do you want to do?

01:46:44.000 Well, write yourself down a schedule every day.

01:46:46.000 Like, write yourself down a schedule.

01:46:48.000 I mean, you might have to adjust it based on time constraints.

01:46:50.000 But if you just write down, today I'm going to run four miles, I'm going to do 500 push-ups, I'm going to do 1,000 sit-ups, I'm going to do this and that and that and this, and then check it off.

01:47:00.000 Do those things. 0.97

01:47:02.000 If you could just write shit down and make sure you do it every goddamn day, write down what you have to do that day, it's amazing what you can accomplish. 0.99

01:47:10.000 My list would have none of those things on there. 0.99

01:47:11.000 Well, you don't have to.

01:47:12.000 I'm not running four miles ever.

01:47:14.000 I think I ran four miles last year. 0.98

01:47:16.000 Well, you fucked up your hip in getting shot and you really... 0.99

01:47:20.000 Best part about getting shot. 1.00

01:47:21.000 No running.

01:47:22.000 Can you run, like, distances and stuff?

01:47:25.000 Or do you still have nerve damage?

01:47:26.000 Yeah, my leg is...

01:47:28.000 I have...

01:47:28.000 The neuropathic damage is going to be there forever.

01:47:31.000 I can run.

01:47:32.000 My gait is a little bit messed up.

01:47:33.000 So then I have, like, weird compensatory issues.

01:47:35.000 That would be a real issue for joints as well, right?

01:47:37.000 It's not smart, maybe.

01:47:39.000 Yeah.

01:47:40.000 People...

01:47:40.000 Let's just say on one of my ankles I can tolerate a foot lock a lot better than the other one.

01:47:45.000 And people...

01:47:45.000 I'm just looking at them and they're just like...

01:47:47.000 I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:50.000 But is it because you can't feel it?

01:47:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:52.000 It's totally fucking the ankle up.

01:47:54.000 Oh, that's not good.

01:47:55.000 Yeah.

01:47:55.000 But it's good you make eye contact with them and you can see they're just like, I don't feel comfortable cranking on this more.

01:47:59.000 You know what I got into, man, when I suffered this insufficiency fracture?

01:48:05.000 I got in a fall skiing, which is my... 0.98

01:48:09.000 Oh, I fucking hate skiing. 0.98

01:48:10.000 I ski because my family likes to ski. 0.99

01:48:12.000 This is me skiing.

01:48:13.000 Don't get hurt.

01:48:14.000 Don't get hurt.

01:48:15.000 Didn't get hurt.

01:48:16.000 All right, let's do it again.

01:48:17.000 But this time I got hurt. 1.00

01:48:18.000 This fucking lady, she was a noob, and she didn't know what she was doing. 1.00

01:48:22.000 She slid. 1.00

01:48:23.000 She was on this little side hill trying to put her skis on, and she just, whee, right into the trail, right when I was coming around a corner, and I was like, I'm going to kill this lady. 0.99

01:48:31.000 I got to wipe out. 0.97

01:48:33.000 And I wiped out, cracked my fucking head, but slammed my knee really hard, and I knew something was wrong, and then I went and got it checked, and I did an MRI, and there's actually a fracture in the shin bone. 0.98

01:48:43.000 I was like, okay, great. 0.99

01:48:44.000 So the doctor's like, you can't run for six weeks.

01:48:46.000 So I got into stair mills.

01:48:49.000 Stair mill? 0.99

01:48:50.000 Those fucking things that just keep going? 1.00

01:48:52.000 The perpetual staircase? 0.99

01:48:53.000 Dude, I didn't think those would be that hard.

01:48:56.000 I believe, you know, people are like, stairway to heaven?

01:48:58.000 No, that's the stairway to hell. 1.00

01:49:00.000 Turn that bitch up to 15 and good luck with you. 1.00

01:49:03.000 Good luck with you. 1.00

01:49:06.000 The beautiful thing about it is it's zero impact.

01:49:08.000 You're just stepping. 0.95

01:49:10.000 You're just stepping and goddamn what ferocious cardio you can get out of those things. 0.97

01:49:15.000 Throw a weight vest on there, too. 0.97

01:49:16.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:49:17.000 Or, you know, they have this Atlas pack that the Outdoorsmans, Outdoorsmans.com makes.

01:49:22.000 Have you seen one of those?

01:49:23.000 It's the one where you put the plate on the back. 1.00

01:49:25.000 Yes, that's the shit. 1.00

01:49:27.000 Because you can get 90 pounds on that motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:29.000 You can put 245s. 1.00

01:49:30.000 And it sits well and it sits very well.

01:49:32.000 It doesn't slop around on you.

01:49:33.000 Exactly like a real...

01:49:35.000 It's a rucksack.

01:49:36.000 It's a military rucksack for me.

01:49:37.000 Exactly.

01:49:38.000 It's perfect because the frame is for pack.

01:49:42.000 Outdoorsmen make an excellent hunting frame, a pack.

01:49:45.000 It's like a really sturdy pack that I learned about from Remy Warren and Steve Rannell and these guys just swear by this one backpack frame because it's like super sturdy.

01:49:57.000 And it's just excellent for packing out like elk.

01:49:59.000 Like, you know, you've had to pack out an elk before. 0.99

01:50:01.000 You don't know what weight is until you're going uphill with a fucking leg on your back. 0.99

01:50:06.000 With a backpack with no frame. 1.00

01:50:09.000 Get some of that party.

01:50:10.000 Good luck with that. 0.98

01:50:11.000 The difference between a backpack with a frame, like a Kofaru, a really well-made outdoor-centric backpack versus some bullshit backpack that's just designed to have a laptop in it and you're trying to carry shit for It's a big difference.

01:50:29.000 Just the way the loading shelf is, and the way it straps in, and the angle that it's supposed to sit on your back, there's all science to it.

01:50:39.000 So with these Outdoorsman's frames, you get the best aspects of an outdoor pack, but you have this big-ass post on the back, just like an Olympic bar.

01:50:50.000 You slide those plates on it and clamp it down, and it all sits perfect.

01:50:56.000 Insane workout with one of those on, one of those stairmills.

01:50:59.000 Oh yeah, it'll change if your normal workout is without that and you just start light people.

01:51:04.000 It does some amazing things for sure.

01:51:06.000 Did you at any point in time consider using her as a jump instead of wrecking?

01:51:11.000 No.

01:51:12.000 Like catch some sweet air off her back? 0.56

01:51:13.000 I couldn't.

01:51:13.000 I was turning a corner.

01:51:14.000 She was right there.

01:51:15.000 It was so quick.

01:51:16.000 I had a wipe. 1.00

01:51:17.000 I was going to kill her. 1.00

01:51:18.000 I was like, if I hit her. 1.00

01:51:19.000 I don't think you would kill her. 0.98

01:51:20.000 I was going pretty quick.

01:51:22.000 You could have gone up and done like the little skis to the side.

01:51:24.000 I'm not good at that.

01:51:26.000 I'm not very good at skiing.

01:51:28.000 I'm competent at skiing, but I was like, I mean, I wasn't gonna kill her, but I would have maybe broke her leg. 0.73

01:51:34.000 Yeah.

01:51:35.000 You know, I mean, I don't want to break some lady's leg. 1.00

01:51:37.000 I was just coming around this corner and I see her.

01:51:39.000 I see this, I don't have control thing. 1.00

01:51:42.000 I'm like, fuck, she's going. 0.99

01:51:43.000 And then I see kids this way. 1.00

01:51:45.000 I'm like, I can't go that way. 1.00

01:51:46.000 Shit. 1.00

01:51:47.000 And it's just time to go down. 1.00

01:51:49.000 Sacrifice the body.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, my head was the weird one.

01:51:52.000 Were you wearing a helmet?

01:51:53.000 Yeah, but I was dizzy for the rest of the day.

01:51:55.000 I was a little out of it.

01:51:56.000 I was like, I got my bell rung.

01:51:59.000 Concussion, you think?

01:51:59.000 Ah, for sure.

01:52:00.000 Something happened.

01:52:01.000 Because it was a bang!

01:52:03.000 It was hard-packed snow, and my legs went up, and my head went down.

01:52:09.000 It was a big bang.

01:52:11.000 I have a strong neck, fortunately, so there wasn't as much rattle as could have been.

01:52:16.000 And I kind of knew it was coming.

01:52:18.000 I was like, oh, here we go.

01:52:22.000 But my bell was rung for sure.

01:52:26.000 Because I was a little dizzy afterwards, I was with my 11-year-old and we were going on to the ski lift and I was out of it and the things come around and I timed it wrong. 0.96

01:52:38.000 I'm like, fuck, I went too soon. 0.58

01:52:39.000 I'm stuck and I'm like, I can't go. 0.99

01:52:41.000 I fell down and this lady had to help me get back up because I was just out of it.

01:52:45.000 I was just not quite there.

01:52:48.000 It was very embarrassing.

01:52:48.000 Sounds like you suffered a head injury.

01:52:50.000 Yeah, I definitely did.

01:52:52.000 But it was only for the day.

01:52:53.000 The day, I was just a little out of it.

01:52:55.000 But the next day, I was fine.

01:52:56.000 I woke up prepared for the headache.

01:52:58.000 There was no post-sparring headache that I used to get all the time.

01:53:03.000 I got my bell rung pretty good, I think about a month ago, actually on the mats.

01:53:06.000 I was climbing on a guy's back.

01:53:07.000 It was a good lesson for me, too.

01:53:09.000 Did you slip over the top?

01:53:11.000 No, I got both of my hands involved, and he rolled and snapped my head into the mat. 1.00

01:53:16.000 Oh, face-planted.

01:53:18.000 And I didn't... 1.00

01:53:19.000 Again, I don't know shit. 0.99

01:53:21.000 So I'm learning. 0.99

01:53:22.000 And it's a mistake that I haven't made since then.

01:53:24.000 But yeah, I had my hooks in and was kind of just getting too involved in that drastic movement.

01:53:29.000 And it was a full whack and the same thing and the headache for a few days afterwards.

01:53:33.000 Dudes get wild when they try to get out of things.

01:53:36.000 And that's a particularly dangerous move when someone's on your back and you decide to...

01:53:41.000 Slam them into the ground. 0.99

01:53:42.000 It's kind of a dickhead move, really. 0.99

01:53:44.000 Well, I would have been okay if I had at least one post. 0.90

01:53:46.000 But like I said, I wasn't thinking about that.

01:53:49.000 Was he standing?

01:53:50.000 Did he try to stand?

01:53:50.000 No, he was turtled.

01:53:52.000 I don't think I would crawl on somebody's back if they were standing.

01:53:55.000 My game's not very advanced.

01:53:57.000 Your jiu-jitsu's probably different than mine. 0.99

01:54:00.000 But even taking someone's back standing is tricky as fuck. 0.98

01:54:05.000 Because they can just throw themselves backwards and on concrete... 0.99

01:54:09.000 Oh, that's a game over.

01:54:10.000 It's a death sentence.

01:54:11.000 That's what I actually thought about that afterwards because you will see people who, you know, I'm here because I want to learn to protect myself in the street.

01:54:20.000 And if I had done that on the street...

01:54:23.000 And had my head cracked on concrete?

01:54:25.000 I'd either been waking up in the hospital or not at all. 0.79

01:54:28.000 You gotta kick their legs out in those situations.

01:54:30.000 If you have someone's back and you're standing, you gotta... 1.00

01:54:34.000 I mean, the options that exist that don't exist in jujitsu, one of them is you kick their fucking legs out. 0.99

01:54:41.000 If you have someone's back, you know, you actually kick their leg. 0.99

01:54:45.000 You don't just... 0.92

01:54:47.000 Just jump on them with the hooks in on concrete. 0.94

01:54:50.000 It's just too dangerous.

01:54:51.000 Before you get to that position, you want to yank them and do something, trip them, do something to get rid of their base.

01:54:59.000 But someone who's strong, that's so dangerous.

01:55:02.000 Because someone who's strong can carry you on their back and just throw themselves backwards.

01:55:06.000 I mean, even hardwood floor, anything.

01:55:08.000 Or even against a building or a car.

01:55:10.000 Yeah, anything, anything.

01:55:12.000 You want to get them to the ground. 0.97

01:55:14.000 You want to get them to the ground or a standing guillotine. 0.99

01:55:16.000 Like when you're in a front position, that's another one that's really fucking dangerous, man. 0.99

01:55:21.000 A guillotine? 0.95

01:55:22.000 Yeah, guys have gone for takedowns with guillotines.

01:55:27.000 Like I said, a guy shoots in for a takedown, and a guy grabs a guillotine and pulls back, and then this guy's head is the first thing that hits the ground.

01:55:37.000 Oh, because it's tucked under their armpit?

01:55:39.000 Yes.

01:55:40.000 A guy on Team Alpha Male, on Uriah Faber's team, wound up getting paralyzed for life that way.

01:55:45.000 Yeah, in training.

01:55:47.000 On the mats?

01:55:47.000 Yep, yeah.

01:55:48.000 In training, shoots in for the takedown, and the guy gets him in a guillotine, and all their weight together falls on this guy's head, and his neck compresses, and his neck breaks, and he loses his ability to move for the rest of his life.

01:56:03.000 That's a common one, in fact.

01:56:05.000 Not common, but it's happened multiple times that I'm aware of. 0.99

01:56:09.000 And, you know, you gotta imagine on the street, you know, someone tries to take you down on the street and you elevate and go into a guillotine position and they fall down and slam their fucking head first. 0.99

01:56:19.000 You're gonna crack it open probably too. 0.99

01:56:24.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 One thing that is a good criticism about jiu-jitsu is the lack of takedowns.

01:56:30.000 And that is a real factor in any sort of real-world situation.

01:56:36.000 The hope is if you're in a bar or something like that, there's a scramble, most things wind up on the ground.

01:56:42.000 That's true.

01:56:43.000 Until you deal with a skilled opponent, and if you deal with a skilled opponent who has takedown defense, and then you're stuck in the situation where, okay, now you're in a realm where you're a white belt, and this guy's a black belt.

01:56:55.000 Like if someone is a wrestler who can strike, it's a terrible position to be in.

01:57:00.000 And we saw that with a lot of, in the early UFCs in particular, a lot of jujitsu black belts just didn't have takedowns.

01:57:06.000 And then they would get involved with a wrestler Who would easily stuff their takedown, and the wrestler was a better striker. 0.99

01:57:12.000 And those guys got fucked up. 0.97

01:57:14.000 Yeah, I'd imagine that'd be a quick bout. 0.99

01:57:15.000 It's not good.

01:57:16.000 I mean, the only thing a lot of guys did was they would follow their back and try to pull guard and try to entice a guy into coming to their back.

01:57:22.000 And then they would kick off their back.

01:57:24.000 Like Hickson used those tactics when he fought Funaki.

01:57:29.000 Like upkicks?

01:57:30.000 Yeah, and he actually wound up fucking up Funaki's knee by kicking at his knee, hyperextending his knee from his back. 0.96

01:57:38.000 Rugged. 0.79

01:57:38.000 Yeah, that's a common technique. 0.79

01:57:40.000 You know, a guy standing over you and you're on your back posting up and you hyperextend his knee.

01:57:45.000 It's just, like, judo is the best, in my opinion, for someone who's wearing clothes.

01:57:50.000 You know, I think every jujitsu guy would really greatly benefit from having a good comprehensive knowledge of judo.

01:57:58.000 How deep would you go?

01:57:59.000 Judo's a good thing to learn, man.

01:58:01.000 Just period.

01:58:02.000 First of all, those guys are so fast. 0.58

01:58:04.000 Freaky, chimp-strong. 1.00

01:58:06.000 Some of the freakiest chimp-strong guys I ever roll with were judo people. 1.00

01:58:10.000 Because judo players, man, they're just all...

01:58:12.000 Everything is constantly this.

01:58:14.000 They're constantly grabbing it.

01:58:16.000 Everything is hips, torque.

01:58:17.000 Torque and rotation.

01:58:18.000 There's so much explosive movement carrying a human body.

01:58:22.000 Right?

01:58:23.000 So they're doing...

01:58:24.000 Explosive movement, like sandbag training with another 200-pound person all the time, or larger, particularly women. 0.98

01:58:31.000 Like Ronda Rousey, do you know how goddamn strong that woman is? 0.99

01:58:34.000 She's freakishly strong. 0.99

01:58:36.000 Oh, I bet.

01:58:37.000 Because her whole body was designed to throw bodies around, throw a human body. 1.00

01:58:44.000 I mean, you think of weightlifting, right?

01:58:46.000 When are you ever weightlifting your whole body?

01:58:48.000 Well, maybe if you're squatting, or maybe if you're bench pressing if you're exceptionally strong.

01:58:52.000 Or deadlifting.

01:58:53.000 Yeah, or deadlifting.

01:58:54.000 Those are like the compound movements.

01:58:56.000 But like curling or triceps, none of those things, overhead press, very rarely are you using your whole body weight that way.

01:59:02.000 I don't think it's advisable to do that with your whole body weight.

01:59:05.000 And your whole body weight is way more difficult to control because it's moving and resisting.

01:59:10.000 Try picking up a dead body, a person who's out cold. 0.97

01:59:14.000 It's fucking hard. 0.98

01:59:16.000 If I had to pick up a dude who's 195 pounds and I had to pick him up... 0.99

01:59:21.000 And he's out cold. 1.00

01:59:22.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:59:23.000 That's hard. 1.00

01:59:24.000 Now put 80 pounds of gear on him.

01:59:26.000 Yes.

01:59:26.000 I could only imagine.

01:59:28.000 And guns dangling all over the place.

01:59:30.000 So with a judo player, imagine that, but imagine that person also resisting.

01:59:36.000 They're some of the freakiest, strongest people in the world.

01:59:39.000 I just sit down when I start with judo people. 1.00

01:59:42.000 I'm like, haha, fuck you. 1.00

01:59:43.000 Good move. 1.00

01:59:44.000 Good move.

01:59:45.000 I watch them over in the corner and I hear just...

01:59:47.000 I'm like, okay, I'm going to sit down.

01:59:50.000 It's a beautiful thing to learn, though.

01:59:52.000 It's a beautiful thing to learn if you can get someone that will really work with you and who's technique-oriented, not someone who just wants you to spar all the time.

02:00:02.000 Because one of the things that happens with judo a lot when people are just getting involved in it There's a lot of scrambling on the feet that could put your legs in a compromised position when your knee blows out.

02:00:12.000 How much is your time watching the UFC? How many of the takedowns do you see are judo-based?

02:00:17.000 It's not that often, but some guys are really good at it.

02:00:20.000 And the guys that are really good at it, it comes up.

02:00:23.000 There's some guys.

02:00:25.000 Back when Caro Parisian was fighting, Caro was a great judo player who was in the earlier days of the successful UFC, was one of the better judo guys, and he would hit hip tosses and all kinds of different judo throws all the time.

02:00:43.000 And Ronda, of course, would do it all the time too, but... 1.00

02:00:47.000 With Rhonda, that was basically the only way she would take you down was with upper body grabs. 1.00

02:00:52.000 Her move was to grab the head and then take people down with that and use judo. 1.00

02:01:00.000 But it does happen.

02:01:01.000 But it only happens with skilled players.

02:01:04.000 But when it does happen, it's a big surprise oftentimes.

02:01:09.000 Like, whoa!

02:01:09.000 Well, and those people are the anomaly, too, not the norm.

02:01:12.000 I mean, they're two trained fighters at the apex of their sport.

02:01:15.000 You know, somebody with a moderate level or understanding of judo is probably not going to have that difficulty in a bar.

02:01:22.000 Right.

02:01:23.000 Yeah, right.

02:01:24.000 Well, nor is a wrestler.

02:01:25.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 You know, I mean, just, and again, with wrestling, see, I always say that if a kid wants to learn martial arts, like, there's a lot of good things they should learn, but one of the things they should learn first is wrestling, because it sucks so hard.

02:01:37.000 It sucks so hard.

02:01:38.000 It'll teach you whether or not you really want to fight, whether you really want to compete. 0.98

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 I've heard horror stories.

02:01:45.000 Actually, Callum last night was telling horror stories of wrestling and wrestling camps.

02:01:48.000 With cashmere shirts on?

02:01:49.000 Are you talking about that? 0.99

02:01:50.000 I need to determine whether or not he was talking about his experience, other people's experience, or he was making up every goddamn thing he was saying. 0.98

02:01:57.000 It's hard to tell. 0.97

02:01:59.000 He sells it so well, though, that I don't even care because it's so entertaining.

02:02:04.000 He definitely could wrestle.

02:02:05.000 I got count involved in jujitsu in 96, but I stuck with it.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, did not.

02:02:12.000 And he sort of drifted in and out.

02:02:14.000 He told the story last night of basically why he stopped.

02:02:17.000 He was watching, I think it was, he said Henzo was giving basically a little bit of a deeper dive onto a finer refinement of a technique.

02:02:26.000 Instead of having your hand in this direction, rotate it the other way.

02:02:31.000 He said he just stood there and realized, I just don't care anymore.

02:02:35.000 And that was the end of it.

02:02:38.000 Well, Callan is one of those guys that gets into things for a little bit and then bails on it.

02:02:43.000 Yeah, like the bow in his garage that he's never once used.

02:02:46.000 You gave him a free bow! 0.98

02:02:47.000 I know, he showed it to me the last time I was down.

02:02:49.000 He's never even drawn it back.

02:02:50.000 I think it still might have the plastic on the string so you can't draw it back. 1.00

02:02:54.000 Son of a bitch. 0.99

02:02:55.000 Yeah, he promised me he was going to come over and learn. 1.00

02:03:00.000 He was telling me last night, he's like, I need a tactical shotgun. 0.99

02:03:03.000 I was like, oh, fuck, here we go. 1.00

02:03:05.000 No, you don't. 1.00

02:03:06.000 I was like, Callan, what makes a shotgun tactical?

02:03:08.000 He's like, the ability to go boom, [...

02:03:13.000 He's like, but I need a short barrel.

02:03:14.000 And he's like, seven rounds, and I'm going to use birdshot. 0.99

02:03:18.000 I was like, fuck, man, this is getting worse every time... 0.99

02:03:22.000 He's like, birdshot's what I need, right? 1.00

02:03:24.000 Birdshot will do it.

02:03:25.000 I'm like, birdshot's great for birds.

02:03:27.000 So he basically wants a huge shotgun with a huge magazine tube, but a barrel that sits two feet back from the magazine tube, so he'll just bounce stuff.

02:03:35.000 Yeah.

02:03:36.000 The trajectory of Callan and I with hunting, it shows the difference between us as humans.

02:03:43.000 In 2012, we both went hunting for the first time.

02:03:46.000 And since then, the only time he's gone hunting is with me.

02:03:49.000 And since then, he's killed...

02:03:52.000 Well, he killed a deer with me, and then...

02:03:57.000 I'm assuming rifle.

02:03:59.000 I think that's it.

02:04:00.000 Yeah.

02:04:01.000 I think that's it.

02:04:02.000 We went turkey hunting.

02:04:04.000 I got one.

02:04:05.000 He struck out.

02:04:06.000 We went blacktail hunting on Prince of Wales in Alaska.

02:04:11.000 We both struck out.

02:04:12.000 And then we got...

02:04:14.000 We had to bail a day early because of a storm coming in.

02:04:17.000 We're going to get trapped.

02:04:18.000 That was the most miserable trip ever, but it was really educational.

02:04:21.000 Wasn't that a meat-eater show?

02:04:22.000 Yeah.

02:04:23.000 I watched that one.

02:04:24.000 Fascinating.

02:04:24.000 You guys were like, hey, we can get a plane in right now.

02:04:27.000 Well, we were about to get stuck, and I had gigs.

02:04:31.000 I was like, I can't cancel gigs.

02:04:33.000 I mean, this is fun and everything like that, but there's a real possibility I might not be able to get out of here. 0.97

02:04:36.000 You guys didn't see shit the whole time. 0.99

02:04:38.000 Didn't see shit. 1.00

02:04:39.000 We saw a couple deer, and they saw some black bear. 0.99

02:04:43.000 It was strategically the wrong time to be in that area, but it was very educational.

02:04:50.000 What was educational was about how good the sun felt when I came back.

02:04:54.000 It's always sunny in LA, but I called Rinella up when I got back, and I was like, dude, I have never been happier than today.

02:05:02.000 I know it was miserable up there, because you think...

02:05:06.000 One of the things that was, like, it wasn't that bad, but what sucked is there's no dry.

02:05:13.000 There was no dry.

02:05:14.000 There's never dry.

02:05:14.000 You thought, well, I'll be in the tent, I'll be dry.

02:05:16.000 No, there's no dry.

02:05:17.000 I got up to take a piss one night, and I turned on my headlamp, and all I could see inside the tent was water vapor.

02:05:23.000 Just droplets.

02:05:25.000 And I was like...

02:05:25.000 Oh, there's no dry?

02:05:27.000 No, and that's getting into every fiber of everything in that tent.

02:05:32.000 I had a wet sleeping bag, which is adorable.

02:05:34.000 Wet sleeping bags are adorable.

02:05:36.000 It's like, I don't even know why I have this on.

02:05:37.000 I hate the water.

02:05:38.000 I would not go there.

02:05:40.000 But it was fun.

02:05:41.000 It was fun.

02:05:42.000 The camaraderie was fun.

02:05:43.000 It's always fun being with Callan and the meat-eater guys.

02:05:46.000 They were great.

02:05:47.000 And we did wind up starting a fire one night with Fritos.

02:05:50.000 You know, Fritos are excellent fire starters.

02:05:53.000 The chips?

02:05:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:05:55.000 Those greasy little fucking cunty chips. 1.00

02:05:57.000 First off, those things are fucking delightful. 1.00

02:05:59.000 Very delicious, right? 0.99

02:06:00.000 Like I said, I have selective discipline.

02:06:02.000 They stay lit for a long-ass time.

02:06:04.000 You just light them with a lighter?

02:06:06.000 Yeah.

02:06:06.000 Yeah, they stay lit for a long time.

02:06:09.000 It's kind of crazy.

02:06:10.000 Whose idea was the Cheetos?

02:06:12.000 One of the guys that worked there, someone knew it.

02:06:15.000 Someone knew it.

02:06:15.000 And then we lit the Cheetos, or the Fritos rather, and the Fritos lit these little twigs.

02:06:21.000 Fritos are delightful.

02:06:22.000 Cheetos are cunty.

02:06:24.000 Cheetos are not as good as Fritos. 0.97

02:06:26.000 They look good because they're big and fluffy, but it's so much crotch, crotch, crotch before you get to the real, there's like air in them. 1.00

02:06:34.000 They're bullshit. 1.00

02:06:36.000 I think they're delightful. 1.00

02:06:37.000 No, no, no.

02:06:39.000 Cheetos.

02:06:39.000 Cheetos, yes.

02:06:40.000 I'm on board. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Cheetos are bullshit. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Fuck Cheetos. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Yeah, there's too much air. 1.00

02:06:43.000 Fritos, that's an honest snack.

02:06:45.000 And you can use it like a spoon if you get the party size.

02:06:47.000 That's true.

02:06:48.000 Yes, you can.

02:06:49.000 And you can also use them to start a fire.

02:06:51.000 So we lit the Fritos and then we put the twigs over the Fritos.

02:06:55.000 We got a little fire going.

02:06:56.000 We were so pumped because everything was soaking wet.

02:06:58.000 So then we started looking for areas that were less wet.

02:07:02.000 You know, like on the backside of trees, we carved some bark off of those.

02:07:08.000 And then we got some wet logs and put it close to that to try to dry it off.

02:07:11.000 But eventually we got to...

02:07:12.000 We had a whole day from maybe like 3 in the afternoon to like 3 or 4 in the morning where there was no rain, which was crazy.

02:07:19.000 It never happens up there.

02:07:20.000 It's the rainiest place in North America.

02:07:22.000 And we actually got a fire going.

02:07:24.000 It was fun.

02:07:24.000 But then when I got back home, I remember thinking, man, this is why you have to suffer.

02:07:29.000 Because I feel so good.

02:07:30.000 Like I've never feel this good about California.

02:07:33.000 Like usually the sun is just always there.

02:07:35.000 You just take it for granted.

02:07:36.000 But this day I was like, ah, the way it felt on my face.

02:07:39.000 It's like I was on a happy drug.

02:07:41.000 I was like, I felt so good.

02:07:42.000 And I called him up and I go, dude, I've never been happier in my life.

02:07:45.000 And I think that's one of the things that you really have to get into those valleys to appreciate, to really hit those peaks.

02:07:53.000 I think that's what's going on right now.

02:07:54.000 As you're saying that, I'm thinking about literally what's happening in this country, and I hope that we get to the point where we see the sun and we feel it, but then we have to also not forget.

02:08:04.000 I think you're 100% right.

02:08:05.000 I think we have it really, really easy in this country.

02:08:26.000 Supposedly until April 19th, you can't have a gathering of more than 10 people and all essential businesses are supposed to be closed. 0.97

02:08:35.000 Well, fucking good luck with that. 0.95

02:08:38.000 Good luck with a whole month of telling people they can't work. 0.99

02:08:43.000 This is crazy.

02:08:44.000 I had an experience that stuck with me that I use as a lens of context from overseas.

02:08:51.000 It was from Afghanistan.

02:08:53.000 I was in a sniper overwatch position.

02:08:56.000 And I was watching a...

02:08:58.000 I was on one side of the valley.

02:08:59.000 There was a unit on the other side of the valley.

02:09:01.000 And there was a village in between.

02:09:02.000 And I watched an individual come out in the morning to the only water source in the valley.

02:09:07.000 Small stream. 1.00

02:09:10.000 And watch them just take a shit in the water. 1.00

02:09:13.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:09:14.000 And then later on in the day, another person came out and downstream of that took a bath in the water.

02:09:21.000 And later on in the day, a woman came out with two kids and got their drinking water downstream from both of those things and went back to their house. 0.94

02:09:29.000 And it's like, okay...

02:09:32.000 We have it really, really good.

02:09:35.000 Really, really good.

02:09:36.000 And in that village, there was probably a light bulb. 1.00

02:09:38.000 Why did he take a shit in the river? 0.98

02:09:40.000 Maybe he didn't have any toilet paper because the grocery store was out. 0.99

02:09:43.000 Ah! 1.00

02:09:44.000 He just wanted to wash his ass. 1.00

02:09:45.000 Why not? 1.00

02:09:46.000 Yeah, I mean...

02:09:47.000 So that's the thing about people, that's this...

02:09:50.000 The willingness to do something that you know is going to negatively impact others, but you don't care because in the moment it's good for you.

02:09:57.000 Like when you see someone throwing a cigarette out the window of their car, that's a perfect example of that.

02:10:03.000 They don't want that cigarette in their car, so they just say, oh, somebody else will handle it.

02:10:06.000 Yeah, but if you see enough of those things or in that, it reframes the way that you look at what people complain about.

02:10:14.000 And I have thought about that day very often because in that short period of time, it's just like, I don't ever really have that much to complain about.

02:10:23.000 Like what's going to go on right now for the next few months, I would guess, maybe the rest of the year is going to be horrendous.

02:10:29.000 And I hope that everybody makes it out okay on the other side.

02:10:32.000 But the reality is people are going to die and it's going to suck and it's going to destroy families.

02:10:36.000 And the economic destruction will probably be worse than the physical destruction from the death side of the house.

02:10:44.000 But we're still going to be okay at the end of that.

02:10:46.000 And even if it gets horrendous here, we are doing so much better than so many other people on the face of this earth.

02:10:54.000 Their daily best is not going to even approach what it's going to look like at our worst as we navigate our way through this.

02:11:00.000 My biggest concern is not just the deaths, which is a big concern, not just the financial crisis, which is also a big concern, but it's also the government gobbling up freedoms in exchange for the illusion of safety.

02:11:13.000 That's a real concern.

02:11:14.000 It's been happening for a long time though.

02:11:16.000 Yeah, but it's also whenever there's a real crisis, there's always an excuse to pass legislation that diminishes our rights.

02:11:24.000 I mean, it makes it easier for them.

02:11:26.000 It makes it easier for them to do what they perceive to be their job.

02:11:30.000 Only if people are scared.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:33.000 It's because they're finding the seams in people's attention span.

02:11:36.000 They're instead of...

02:11:38.000 Being objective, they're being emotional.

02:11:40.000 And that clouds your vision and it clouds your judgment.

02:11:42.000 And when they're not paying attention because they're scared because they're online all goddamn day looking at people taking pictures of the empty toilet paper aisle in the grocery store, other people who might have malicious intent are moving on that intent and nobody is paying attention to it.

02:11:57.000 Yeah, that's where a lot of people that the more...

02:12:00.000 What's the best way to say?

02:12:02.000 I'm trying not to use the word retarded. 0.98

02:12:06.000 Conspiratorily minded that don't think very well. 0.83

02:12:08.000 The first term was accurate. 0.99

02:12:10.000 Yeah, they think of it in terms of a gigantic conspiracy and this is all set up.

02:12:15.000 No, people take advantage of moments.

02:12:18.000 Yeah.

02:12:18.000 And that's the difference.

02:12:19.000 That's what really happens.

02:12:21.000 Where there's moments where they can pass something like the Patriot Act or the Patriot Act 2, they do it.

02:12:28.000 It's not because they've set this up to pass that.

02:12:31.000 No, they use it as an opportunity because they know that people are scared and they use it as an opportunity to further diminish our rights because it makes it easier for them to control us.

02:12:40.000 And that's a real concern right now.

02:12:42.000 It's a real concern right now.

02:12:43.000 And it's something that people go, oh, that's the last thing you should be thinking about.

02:12:47.000 No, it's one of the things you should be thinking about.

02:12:50.000 There's many things you should be thinking about right now, besides your safety and your health and not spreading a disease and making sure you wash your hands and stay away from old people and maintain social distance. 1.00

02:12:59.000 All that stuff is important, but also recognize what the fuck these... 0.98

02:13:04.000 Career politicians and these career lawmakers and these career people that are in charge of controlling mass groups of people. 0.95

02:13:13.000 Any laws that help you, any rights that help you, it makes their job more difficult.

02:13:19.000 And that's something to be concerned with right now.

02:13:21.000 I think fear is totally natural.

02:13:23.000 I think if you don't experience fear, you might trend towards the sociopathic side of the spectrum.

02:13:29.000 But it's totally natural.

02:13:31.000 It should be expected.

02:13:31.000 But you have a choice in how you receive what is going on and you can allow the fear to cloud your judgment and drive your decision-making process or You can recognize that the fear of something, you know, fear of death overseas isn't what keeps you alive.

02:13:47.000 Objective, analytical thought process and doing the things that need to be done keep you alive regardless of how scared you are or fearful you are.

02:13:55.000 That's what keeps you alive.

02:13:57.000 It's okay to be scared, but just don't let it take over and control you. 0.99

02:14:02.000 What the fuck is going on in Russia right now? 0.99

02:14:03.000 Are they getting this? 1.00

02:14:06.000 I haven't heard a goddamn peep about Russia. 0.99

02:14:08.000 I haven't either, actually. 0.99

02:14:08.000 That's a good question. 0.99

02:14:09.000 I haven't heard a goddamn peep about Russia. 0.98

02:14:14.000 Like, there's very little discussion about whether or not they've gotten it. 0.99

02:14:19.000 I know that it exists in Korea.

02:14:21.000 I know they've got it in South Korea.

02:14:22.000 I've seen the maps where they color code it, you know, the circular.

02:14:25.000 It's got to be.

02:14:26.000 Coronavirus.

02:14:27.000 Russia doctors say government is covering up cases.

02:14:29.000 Well, there you go.

02:14:31.000 Of course.

02:14:33.000 Of course they are.

02:14:34.000 Well, this is what we have to really worry about with the dictatorship, right?

02:14:39.000 What would be the benefit of doing that?

02:14:41.000 What would be the benefit of covering it up?

02:14:43.000 Superiority.

02:14:44.000 You want to claim superiority over the Western world?

02:14:46.000 It's a false superiority because at some point the scales are going to tip at a point where you can't cover it up.

02:14:51.000 Yeah, but that's part of their whole long game.

02:14:53.000 Their whole game is about superiority and propaganda.

02:14:56.000 It's a big part of what they do.

02:14:58.000 I mean, they're...

02:15:00.000 Gross domestic product is so small.

02:15:02.000 Their GDP is that of a very small European country.

02:15:06.000 And yet we look at them as, look at that, number of coronavirus cases in Russia.

02:15:10.000 Not good.

02:15:11.000 Oh, okay, they got plenty.

02:15:13.000 253 cases.

02:15:15.000 Oh, only one death.

02:15:17.000 But that's them saying that. 0.99

02:15:19.000 How the fuck do we know? 0.97

02:15:20.000 Because we've had over 100 deaths now. 0.99

02:15:23.000 Right?

02:15:23.000 There's 100 deaths in this country, I believe.

02:15:25.000 And I still think that those numbers are incredibly low.

02:15:27.000 I think a lot of people are probably dealing – if you look at how they describe the symptoms, I bet a lot of people have already dealt with it and don't even realize it.

02:15:35.000 I think that's absolutely true.

02:15:36.000 You look at Idris Elba.

02:15:37.000 How many people are like that guy who are fit and got it and had no idea?

02:15:41.000 So why did he get tested then?

02:15:43.000 I think he got exposure to someone else who had it, and so he felt to be a responsible person.

02:15:49.000 To be precautionary.

02:15:50.000 He was going to self-quarantine and test himself.

02:15:52.000 Then he turned out to be positive, but he's updating everybody on a daily basis on Twitter.

02:15:56.000 He was concerned also because he has a pre-existing condition.

02:15:58.000 He has asthma, even though he's a stud.

02:16:01.000 Do you know that guy had a Muay Thai fight?

02:16:03.000 No, he did. 0.99

02:16:04.000 He's fucking good, too. 0.99

02:16:05.000 He's good. 0.99

02:16:06.000 Yeah, he fought his ass off. 0.84

02:16:08.000 I think he won.

02:16:09.000 I think he won a decision.

02:16:10.000 It was a good fight, though.

02:16:11.000 I watched it on YouTube.

02:16:12.000 Yeah, he trained Muay Thai for something.

02:16:14.000 This can be recent.

02:16:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:16.000 Wow is a movie star. 1.00

02:16:17.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:16:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:18.000 Dude, he's an animal. 1.00

02:16:19.000 I love that guy.

02:16:21.000 That's awesome.

02:16:22.000 Big fan.

02:16:22.000 You've got to assume that there are other people, though, out there who have no idea.

02:16:26.000 Yes.

02:16:26.000 Just rolling around.

02:16:27.000 I bet the numbers are way higher, but the ratios are probably similar.

02:16:32.000 Well, a lot of those NBA players that tested positive for it show no signs.

02:16:36.000 But you're dealing with super athletes, right?

02:16:38.000 Yeah.

02:16:38.000 With incredible bodies.

02:16:39.000 Probably the lowest of low-risk categories.

02:16:41.000 Super healthy individuals in the prime of their athletic peak.

02:16:45.000 Here he is right here training.

02:16:48.000 Dude, this is not a good example here, because this is just him, tired, hitting the pads, but he's got skills.

02:16:54.000 There's a video of his fight, but you can see him here hitting the bag.

02:16:58.000 Not bad. 0.95

02:16:59.000 I mean, he's no fucking Giorgio Petrosian. 0.92

02:17:04.000 Yeah, but he's not doing it professionally either. 0.86

02:17:05.000 Yeah, but he's fit, and he's got skills.

02:17:08.000 He does everything correct.

02:17:09.000 He's holding his hands up.

02:17:11.000 What's on his left ankle?

02:17:11.000 He's showing discipline.

02:17:12.000 What's he got there on that left ankle?

02:17:13.000 It's taped up. 0.95

02:17:14.000 Probably fucked up his shin sparring. 0.90

02:17:17.000 And so he probably put some heavy pads on it. 0.90

02:17:19.000 Probably fucked up his ankle. 0.95

02:17:21.000 You know, like you kick elbows a lot.

02:17:23.000 Have you done much striking training?

02:17:25.000 See his knees padded up too.

02:17:27.000 You kick a lot of elbows, man.

02:17:30.000 You kick a lot of elbows?

02:17:31.000 Yeah, accidentally.

02:17:33.000 There he is right here.

02:17:33.000 He's fighting.

02:17:35.000 This is him fighting.

02:17:36.000 There's a good video of it.

02:17:38.000 It's a real fight.

02:17:39.000 Idris Elba.

02:17:40.000 It was for a documentary, right?

02:17:41.000 So it's Thailand.

02:17:42.000 So he did a lot of training in Thailand. 0.98

02:17:46.000 By the way, Wally's a fucking huge movie star. 0.99

02:17:51.000 The shorts are so unacceptable. 0.99

02:17:54.000 Yeah, you could see him getting better as he was doing it, but he's doing like legit sparring, you know, getting thrown down, the whole deal.

02:18:00.000 I didn't know you could throw somebody down if you caught their foot like that.

02:18:03.000 Oh, Thailand, it's a huge thing.

02:18:05.000 And Thai boxing, it's a big part of the sport, is throws, not just throwing someone from that position, but just throws.

02:18:13.000 You know, they grab each other by the head and throw each other to the ground, sweeps, catching the leg.

02:18:18.000 Look, here he is, man. 0.99

02:18:20.000 He's in his fucking 40s, too, by the way, when he did this. 0.99

02:18:23.000 And decided to train and actually have a real fight. 0.99

02:18:27.000 Let's see some of the footage of the fight.

02:18:28.000 It was a pretty good fight, and the guy who fought, man, was not playing games with him. 0.99

02:18:32.000 The guy who fought was trying to fuck him up. 0.97

02:18:35.000 I got nothing but respect for people who willingly step into that arena. 0.95

02:18:38.000 I know, but it's just so rare to see someone who's a bona fide movie star that's willing to do this.

02:18:44.000 He's a bad dude, man.

02:18:46.000 It probably says a lot about his character.

02:18:47.000 I mean, getting ready for that is not a stroll down the beach at sunset.

02:18:51.000 No.

02:18:51.000 No, and according to all who trained with him, I mean the guy trained as diligently and as hard as anyone that's a professional fighter.

02:19:01.000 He just really went after it and really took it and took the approach of like that this is a life lesson and he's going to go at it with a hundred percent of his being.

02:19:13.000 And I just am a big fan of this guy.

02:19:14.000 I'm a big fan of him as an actor. 0.98

02:19:16.000 But when I found this out and I watched this, I was like, okay, this guy's a real fucking deal. 0.88

02:19:20.000 There's very few people that would do this. 0.96

02:19:22.000 When you're absorbing those knees and those kicks to the high leg, what's walking like the next day after that?

02:19:28.000 It's terrible.

02:19:29.000 Even just training when you get hit with pads on. 0.85

02:19:33.000 Someone has like big ass shin pads and they dig a shin into your thigh. 1.00

02:19:38.000 It just gives in, man. 0.98

02:19:39.000 Everything just like flunk.

02:19:41.000 It's horrible.

02:19:42.000 It's like a charley horse times 100. But then think of someone who can really kick, you know?

02:19:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:19:48.000 Think of someone who can really fucking turn their body and turn their weight into it. 1.00

02:19:53.000 You know, I've had people ask me to kick them in their leg. 0.99

02:19:55.000 And I'm like, dude, I'm not kicking you in your leg. 1.00

02:19:57.000 Because if I kick you in your leg, I might break your fucking leg. 1.00

02:19:59.000 Why would somebody ever ask... 1.00

02:20:01.000 Drunks! 1.00

02:20:02.000 People being silly. 1.00

02:20:03.000 People being silly. 1.00

02:20:04.000 Silly gooses. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Just kick me one time in the leg. 1.00

02:20:06.000 Just don't do a full blast. 0.99

02:20:07.000 I'm like, if I'm kicking you, I'm kicking you full blast. 0.93

02:20:09.000 Just because you asked. 1.00

02:20:11.000 Just because you asked because you're so fucking stupid. 1.00

02:20:14.000 But I'm not going to do that. 1.00

02:20:15.000 I could tear your knee apart.

02:20:17.000 You think it's fun. 0.92

02:20:19.000 It's not fun.

02:20:20.000 No thanks.

02:20:20.000 The shin bone is such a nasty bone too because it's really kind of designed for slamming into the meat of a thigh.

02:20:27.000 It's got a blade to it.

02:20:30.000 And if someone's good at it and they're chopping, either chopping up or chopping down with that, It cuts your muscle in half.

02:20:38.000 It like pushes.

02:20:39.000 It's like the edge of the shin just separates that muscle tissue.

02:20:44.000 It makes my stomach hurt.

02:20:45.000 Listen to you describe that.

02:20:47.000 It's terrible.

02:20:47.000 We had a fighter who fought on the last UFC. The one in Vegas.

02:20:54.000 And he, in one of his fights, his last fight, he had something called compartment syndrome.

02:21:01.000 Pull up the card.

02:21:02.000 Let me tell you who this guy is.

02:21:04.000 Pull up the card for the last UFC. I was going to pull it up on my phone.

02:21:07.000 The last UFC that was in Vegas.

02:21:09.000 There was one of the gentlemen that was fighting on the undercard who has a scar that goes from the top of his thigh all the way down below his knee.

02:21:18.000 Yeah, you found it?

02:21:19.000 Beautiful.

02:21:19.000 Put that up on the screen.

02:21:20.000 So this is from one of his fights.

02:21:22.000 Do I not want to look at the screen, Jamie?

02:21:24.000 Look at the screen.

02:21:25.000 Look at the screen.

02:21:26.000 That was the tissue in his leg.

02:21:28.000 That's a tube to drain it. 0.99

02:21:30.000 Everything had gone gray, and he was in real danger of losing his leg.

02:21:37.000 Austin Hubbard, right?

02:21:39.000 That's the gentleman's name, right?

02:21:42.000 Yeah, okay.

02:21:43.000 Go back to the image of his thigh, please.

02:21:46.000 Wow.

02:21:47.000 So, John Anik showed it to me during the broadcast. 1.00

02:21:50.000 I was like, holy fuck! 0.99

02:21:52.000 Like, I had heard... 1.00

02:21:53.000 Hold on, that gray is live muscle tissue.

02:21:54.000 Well, it doesn't look like live muscle tissue.

02:21:56.000 Well, it's broken down tissue.

02:21:57.000 But all of that is from absorbing shins. 1.00

02:22:01.000 So punishing shins to his thigh had made his legs swell up to double the size that it normally is.

02:22:08.000 And then caused like this horrible condition called compartment syndrome.

02:22:12.000 I believe that's how you say it.

02:22:14.000 And so they had to open up his leg and yeah, compartment syndrome is what it is.

02:22:19.000 I had never heard of that before.

02:22:21.000 And I've seen a lot of...

02:22:23.000 I mean, I would imagine it's probably similar to what Uriah Faber had when he fought Jose Aldo. 0.99

02:22:28.000 Fuck. 0.99

02:22:29.000 Did you ever see that fight? 1.00

02:22:31.000 No.

02:22:31.000 Uriah Favre vs.

02:22:32.000 Jose Aldo was the worst punishment I've ever seen anybody take to their thigh.

02:22:36.000 And Uriah...

02:22:36.000 Uriah took the punishment?

02:22:37.000 Yes.

02:22:38.000 Fighting Jose Aldo when Jose was in his prime.

02:22:41.000 And he tortured Uriah's left leg so badly that Uriah documented the post-fight and then recovery of it.

02:22:49.000 I mean, his leg had turned to this horrific shade of purple, doubled in size.

02:22:55.000 And, you know, he wasn't the same person for months.

02:22:58.000 Can you get rhabda from that too?

02:23:00.000 From the muscle tissue breaking down and entering the bloodstream?

02:23:02.000 That's a good question.

02:23:03.000 I don't know what you get.

02:23:05.000 Whatever it is is not good.

02:23:07.000 I don't think Uriah got compartment syndrome because he didn't have to get cut open like Austin Hubbard did.

02:23:12.000 But you think of it, it's fairly rare in terms of the amount of fighters that we see fight.

02:23:17.000 I mean, I've seen thousands of fights.

02:23:20.000 I've only seen one person have that injury to the extent that Austin Hubbard had it where he had to get the slice down the middle of his thigh.

02:23:27.000 I take it Uriah lost that fight?

02:23:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:29.000 Yeah, but man, what heart he showed because most people would have quit.

02:23:33.000 I mean, he was so punished.

02:23:35.000 His leg was so horrific.

02:23:36.000 See if you can get an image of Uriah Faber's leg post-Jose Aldo fight.

02:23:42.000 It was crazy how bad it was.

02:23:44.000 And he just kept eating those leg kicks.

02:23:47.000 That was when Aldo was in his prime.

02:23:49.000 His leg kicks were so fast.

02:23:51.000 It's one of the weird things about him today, because he's only 32, believe it or not, Aldo.

02:23:57.000 That's Uriah's thigh afterwards.

02:24:00.000 Oh my.

02:24:01.000 Yeah.

02:24:02.000 Well, that's long afterwards.

02:24:03.000 That's long afterwards.

02:24:05.000 I mean, that's him many weeks later.

02:24:07.000 But, like, right post-fight, there's a bunch of images that he shared on social media.

02:24:13.000 Yeah, that's what it looked like.

02:24:14.000 Like, look at his leg.

02:24:15.000 Look at that leg. 0.99

02:24:16.000 I mean, that is fucking crazy. 0.99

02:24:19.000 Look at his calf. 1.00

02:24:20.000 I mean, it looks like a fucking linebacker's calf. 1.00

02:24:23.000 It's just all swollen with blood and pus. 0.99

02:24:26.000 And it's from Aldo just destroying that leg.

02:24:29.000 Amazing.

02:24:31.000 Just amazing how tough he is that he endured that. 1.00

02:24:34.000 You guys can have that cage shit. 1.00

02:24:36.000 It's fucking Muay Thai and that shit is just the worst punishment on your legs. 1.00

02:24:42.000 Yeah, I enjoy watching it, but no. 1.00

02:24:44.000 Thanks.

02:24:44.000 Much like the ocean, no.

02:24:47.000 Yeah, it's a smart way to look at it.

02:24:49.000 I don't know how we got into compartment syndrome.

02:24:51.000 Oh, Idris Elba.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:53.000 Coronavirus.

02:24:54.000 Yeah, the fact that he's uniquely fit and tough guy.

02:24:59.000 But the thing about the shin, if someone just does it gently, like John Jones did it gently to Jim Norton.

02:25:07.000 My friend Jim Norton is a series of fighters who have done things to him, like put him in chokeholds and arm bars and leg kicked him because he asked them to do it.

02:25:17.000 And gently, just gently, just gently, just gently.

02:25:19.000 Don't kick me too hard.

02:25:20.000 And John just kind of thumps him.

02:25:22.000 Just gives him a little thump.

02:25:24.000 Nothing like what John's capable of.

02:25:25.000 Just a little thump.

02:25:26.000 And he's like, ah! 0.99

02:25:30.000 It's fucking horrific. 1.00

02:25:32.000 It's horrific. 1.00

02:25:33.000 Just folds him over. 0.85

02:25:35.000 There was a guy named Pedro Hizzo and he used to fight in the UFC in the heavyweight division and he fought Randy Couture and Randy Couture's leg was so fucked up from that fight that it took him six months to recover. 0.66

02:25:45.000 Six months to recover from the leg kicks. 0.87

02:25:47.000 He's the hardest kicker I've ever seen in all my years of watching people kick legs.

02:25:52.000 I saw Pedro kick the bag at Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu in like the late 90s.

02:25:57.000 I was there I forget what I was there for.

02:26:01.000 And Pedro just happened to be doing a workout on the bag.

02:26:04.000 And this was like the early days of big gyms in Los Angeles.

02:26:08.000 There wasn't a lot of them.

02:26:09.000 There was Hickson's Place.

02:26:10.000 And then Horian had the Gracie and Torrance.

02:26:14.000 And then there was Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu.

02:26:16.000 It was like this kind of high-end mixed martial arts place they were putting together.

02:26:19.000 And Pedro was there training.

02:26:21.000 And there was this, you know, 150-pound heavy bag.

02:26:23.000 And Pedro leg kicks this thing just...

02:26:27.000 I watched his bag bend in half and then he does it again.

02:26:30.000 And I just thought like, oh my god.

02:26:33.000 It's unnatural.

02:26:34.000 He has tree trunk legs, huge legs and perfect technique.

02:26:37.000 And Marco Huastro, watch this.

02:26:39.000 This is Pedro.

02:26:39.000 Watch this guy.

02:26:40.000 Watch this.

02:26:43.000 But look how he digs into it.

02:26:46.000 Do it from the beginning again.

02:26:48.000 Is that from the beginning?

02:26:49.000 Look at this.

02:26:50.000 Thump!

02:26:51.000 Pedro has the hardest leg kicks I've ever seen in all my years of watching people take legs.

02:26:55.000 My man did a full 360 rotation.

02:26:57.000 And he went flying through the air.

02:27:00.000 Yeah.

02:27:00.000 Like, he literally lifted that guy.

02:27:02.000 Powerful mustache.

02:27:03.000 Dan Severin. 1.00

02:27:05.000 Yeah, and Pedro would just fuck people's legs up. 1.00

02:27:08.000 He stopped Dan Severin with legs kicks. 0.99

02:27:11.000 Did he blow his knee out on that?

02:27:11.000 Oh, yeah, I'm sure he did.

02:27:12.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:27:13.000 I'm sure he did. 1.00

02:27:14.000 He blew everybody's knee out. 0.99

02:27:15.000 Pedro was a monster. 0.99

02:27:16.000 A monster with the leg kicks, man. 1.00

02:27:19.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:27:20.000 He just fucked people up. 0.98

02:27:21.000 He fought Rico Rodriguez, and I remember he leg kicked him once, and you see the look on Rico's face. 1.00

02:27:27.000 He's like, fuck this. 0.98

02:27:28.000 So every time he came close to doing that, Rico would just drop to his back and try to submit him. 1.00

02:27:34.000 Pedro was a devastating kicker. 0.99

02:27:36.000 Just fucking devastating. 0.99

02:27:38.000 One of the best. 0.98

02:27:39.000 I'm not a fan of the Speedos.

02:27:41.000 I'm glad that it's moved beyond that.

02:27:43.000 Yeah, that was an early Brazilian thing.

02:27:45.000 They used to fight with Speedos.

02:27:47.000 I'm not exactly sure why.

02:27:48.000 I can't think of a single reason why that would make sense to me.

02:27:52.000 To fight another man in Speedos.

02:27:53.000 Less things to grab.

02:27:54.000 I think that's what the idea was.

02:27:55.000 Less things to grab. 0.99

02:27:56.000 I'm going to accept some more handles for people to grab onto than rolling around in fucking grape smugglers. 0.96

02:28:02.000 Yeah, there's something about those that are particularly offensive, right? 0.98

02:28:05.000 Like a girl wearing a bikini bottom is not offensive at all, but a guy wearing a Speedo is very offensive. 0.81

02:28:11.000 Like why is it seeing more of a man's thighs is gross? 0.91

02:28:15.000 I have no answer for that. 0.89

02:28:16.000 But it is.

02:28:17.000 If I see a guy on the beach in a Speedo, I judge him. 1.00

02:28:21.000 You better have a French accent, motherfucker. 1.00

02:28:24.000 You better be from a country that doesn't know any better. 1.00

02:28:26.000 If you're American... 0.55

02:28:27.000 Yeah, you better have been raised wearing those things. 1.00

02:28:30.000 If we went to the beach and Dudley showed up in Speedos, I'd be like, hey, fuckface, what are you doing? 0.99

02:28:35.000 Yeah, I would have a serious talk with him. 0.99

02:28:37.000 I'd be like, are you okay?

02:28:39.000 You live in Iowa, bro.

02:28:40.000 You can't be wearing Speedos.

02:28:41.000 Where'd you get that?

02:28:42.000 You have a midlife crisis you want to tell me about?

02:28:44.000 Yeah, we'd have a chat. 1.00

02:28:45.000 And if you're going to do it, if you're going to roll in Speedos, wear a fucking thong. 0.99

02:28:49.000 Yeah, just go hard. 0.99

02:28:50.000 Less to grab onto.

02:28:52.000 Well, have you ever seen the Thai cups?

02:28:54.000 Thai steel cups?

02:28:55.000 No.

02:28:56.000 What's interesting is they still, for some strange reason, I'm pretty sure, please Google this, are tie steel cups still allowed in MMA? I know Kenny Florian, throughout his career as a fighter, wore a tie cup.

02:29:09.000 Is this what you're describing?

02:29:10.000 Yes.

02:29:11.000 It's made out of metal.

02:29:12.000 It's a cup made out of metal.

02:29:14.000 So the ties, it's a very uncomfortable setup, right?

02:29:17.000 And what they do is they take this tie cup and they tie it on.

02:29:21.000 And it's tied on the side.

02:29:23.000 It's not a jockstrap.

02:29:24.000 Ties aren't playing games.

02:29:25.000 You're talking like rope?

02:29:26.000 Like cinching? 1.00

02:29:26.000 Yeah, cinching up your asshole. 1.00

02:29:28.000 G-string style. 1.00

02:29:30.000 Deep into your asshole. 1.00

02:29:31.000 So that after your fight is on, you've got a bunch of torn tissue up there. 1.00

02:29:36.000 I mean, you're going to have some problems.

02:29:38.000 That's how you do it.

02:29:39.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 If you're going to do it, do it like that.

02:29:40.000 Clamp that bitch in there. 1.00

02:29:42.000 Lock down. 1.00

02:29:43.000 And if you get kicked in the nuts wearing those tie cups, the guy who kicks you is the one that's hurt. 0.96

02:29:48.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:29:49.000 And if you're not going to wear that and you want to get the mental advantage, wear the thong, but on backwards.

02:29:53.000 It's not just that, but in jujitsu, it's a spectacular leverage point. 0.99

02:29:57.000 Like, there's this hump, a steel hump where your dick is, right? 0.99

02:30:01.000 And if you get an arm bar there... 1.00

02:30:03.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:30:04.000 Yes! 1.00

02:30:04.000 My friend Amir, Amir Renovardi, I rolled with him once and he mounted me and drove his dick into my chest with his steel tie cup and I was like, fuck! 1.00

02:30:15.000 That's really painful! 1.00

02:30:17.000 And he's like, yeah, that's why I wear it.

02:30:19.000 I was like, wow, I never even thought of that. 0.56

02:30:21.000 Because instead of that position being just a bad position to be in, now it was really fucking painful. 1.00

02:30:29.000 Few people can say they've tapped to a dick. 0.99

02:30:30.000 I didn't tap to it, but it was hurt. 0.99

02:30:32.000 I tapped to something else.

02:30:33.000 Here's the deal, though.

02:30:34.000 I bet some people have.

02:30:35.000 Oh yeah!

02:30:36.000 You would tap to it. 1.00

02:30:37.000 Yeah, if you didn't know what the fuck you were doing, for sure. 0.99

02:30:39.000 Like if some guy got on top of you and it was your first rodeo and he's got a tie cup on and he's literally in your sternum. 0.99

02:30:45.000 Especially if they're skilled and they know how to apply pressure.

02:30:49.000 Dude, it was painful.

02:30:50.000 And I was like, oh!

02:30:52.000 But it opened up a door.

02:30:53.000 I was like, well, of course.

02:30:54.000 But then we were talking about leverage points, and I was like, well, a leverage point?

02:30:59.000 I believe they're illegal in IBJJ tournaments and a lot of jiu-jitsu tournaments because of the fact that it creates this fulcrum.

02:31:10.000 Why would you wear a cup when you roll, though, anyway, if it's just jiu-jitsu rolls? 0.99

02:31:13.000 I got my dick busted once. 0.99

02:31:15.000 I wear a cup when I roll. 1.00

02:31:16.000 Yeah, Diamond MMA cup.

02:31:18.000 Diamond MMA makes these amazing.

02:31:20.000 I'll get you one.

02:31:21.000 You should wear it. 1.00

02:31:22.000 Protect your dick. 1.00

02:31:23.000 How did you break your dick? 1.00

02:31:25.000 My friend Einstein did it. 1.00

02:31:27.000 Shout out to Einstein.

02:31:28.000 Scott Epstein, he's the instructor at 10th Planet West LA. It wasn't his fault.

02:31:33.000 It was just a thing that happened. 0.99

02:31:35.000 He was trying to pass my guard and he was trying to slice his knee through and he landed firmly on my dick and I didn't have a cup. 0.99

02:31:45.000 And so I thought it hurt, but we kept going and blah blah blah. 0.99

02:31:50.000 At the end of the workout I went to the locker room and my jockstrap was filled with blood.

02:31:56.000 I was like, well, that's not good.

02:31:58.000 And so I peed and all this blood came out and that's not good. 0.99

02:32:01.000 But my dick didn't hurt that bad. 0.98

02:32:04.000 So I was like, okay, do I go to the doctor or do I treat it like my nose? 0.99

02:32:08.000 So I treated it like my nose.

02:32:10.000 Good call.

02:32:10.000 Because if my nose is bleeding, I was like, well, it happens all the time.

02:32:14.000 I'm going to treat it like my nose at least for a little bit before I have to go to the doc and say I broke my dick. 0.99

02:32:18.000 So I decided, well, let's see if it still works. 1.00

02:32:21.000 So I went home and jerked off. 0.94

02:32:27.000 So when I went home and jerked off, it was like, you ever get an egg and there's like kind of like a half a chicken in that egg? 0.94

02:32:32.000 Yeah. 0.75

02:32:33.000 It's like blood and like chaos. 1.00

02:32:34.000 Oh, fuck Joe. 1.00

02:32:35.000 That's what the load looked like. 1.00

02:32:37.000 I was like, well, it still works, but that's not supposed to look like that.

02:32:41.000 So I said, let's touch and go.

02:32:42.000 Let's see what it's like in the morning. 0.99

02:32:44.000 And in the morning, it's like my dick just seemed normal. 0.99

02:32:46.000 It seemed fine. 1.00

02:32:47.000 I peed in the morning.

02:32:48.000 There wasn't any blood anymore.

02:32:49.000 So I kept an eye on it.

02:32:52.000 Eventually I didn't do anything.

02:32:53.000 But I was super concerned.

02:32:54.000 But I immediately went and got a really good cup.

02:32:58.000 Does it change the way you roll at all?

02:33:00.000 No.

02:33:00.000 I just feel like it'd be uncomfortable.

02:33:01.000 No, no, no.

02:33:01.000 You don't even notice it.

02:33:02.000 You don't even notice it.

02:33:04.000 My favorite are the diamonds because the diamond MMA cup is a compression...

02:33:08.000 It's a cup that curves under so it goes to the taint, but it's in compression shorts.

02:33:13.000 So it's really snugged down, and it's designed that way.

02:33:17.000 He gave me a bunch of them to give them away, so I have one for you.

02:33:20.000 Who did we give one away to recently?

02:33:22.000 We gave one to somebody that was here.

02:33:24.000 The Doom guy.

02:33:26.000 Oh, Hugo!

02:33:27.000 Hugo Martin, who was one of the- shout out to Hugo, who was the creator, one of the creators of Doom Eternals, this new amazing video game that's gonna ruin my life.

02:33:36.000 The best I could find is this here.

02:33:38.000 Shall wear a groin protector of their own selection as type proved by the commissioner.

02:33:41.000 Yeah, see?

02:33:42.000 So it doesn't say- Yeah, you have to, but that's MMA. Oh, okay, I thought this was the IBJJF. Yeah, see, so it's male mixed martial artist, shall wear.

02:33:49.000 Okay.

02:33:51.000 Of a type approved by the commissioner, the commissioners may say you can't wear a steel one.

02:33:56.000 But Kenny Florian throughout his whole career wore a steel tie cup.

02:33:59.000 Cut to...

02:34:00.000 Jiu-Jitsu, the IBJJF says you can't do that.

02:34:03.000 Yes, you can't.

02:34:04.000 Okay.

02:34:05.000 There it goes.

02:34:05.000 Hard material.

02:34:06.000 That's right.

02:34:07.000 Cannot be fashioned of hard material that may cause harm to a permanent athlete.

02:34:09.000 Okay, see, that's why.

02:34:11.000 Because the steel cup is a significant advantage.

02:34:14.000 If you get into a position and you're in an armbar position.

02:34:17.000 It's like doing an armbar over a rock.

02:34:19.000 I was going to say, it seemed like it would supercharge any leverage points.

02:34:22.000 Yes.

02:34:23.000 It has a big effect.

02:34:24.000 It's really good.

02:34:26.000 But Kenny said that he never had to worry about getting kicked in the nuts because it always hurt the opponent more than it hurt him.

02:34:32.000 And then tie fighters.

02:34:33.000 I mean, you think the way ties kick?

02:34:35.000 They kick better than anybody on the planet.

02:34:37.000 And they're always throwing leg kicks, so the possibility of kicking the nuts is always there.

02:34:43.000 So with them, that tie steel cup was imperative.

02:34:47.000 And they went for function over comfort.

02:34:49.000 So the Thai cup is just not a good time.

02:34:52.000 I've got to sidetrack to answer a previous question, too.

02:34:54.000 Oh, okay.

02:34:55.000 In France, loose-fitting trunks are not allowed to be wearied by men.

02:35:00.000 Not allowed?

02:35:01.000 So you have to wear a tight-fitting trunks.

02:35:03.000 Who is the governing body on this fashion? 0.99

02:35:05.000 Someone who loves dicks? 1.00

02:35:07.000 They want to see the outline. 0.99

02:35:08.000 It's super creepy.

02:35:09.000 They want to see what you're smuggling.

02:35:11.000 Really?

02:35:13.000 Who's enforcing this?

02:35:14.000 I don't know.

02:35:16.000 Monsieur, monsieur, your shorts are too loose.

02:35:20.000 What do you have in your shorts?

02:35:23.000 That's probably why James Bond's always wearing Speedos.

02:35:25.000 I guess, but isn't he British?

02:35:27.000 He's hanging out in villas and chateaus and whatnot.

02:35:31.000 This is true.

02:35:32.000 It's just complying with the local laws.

02:35:34.000 That's true, I guess.

02:35:36.000 Yeah.

02:35:36.000 Good point.

02:35:40.000 Google Thai steel cup.

02:35:42.000 Yeah, I need to see this.

02:35:43.000 So you can see what this bad boy is.

02:35:45.000 Now, I don't recommend this for rolling because I think it's rude to your training partners. 0.80

02:35:49.000 But like I said, my friend Amir, he fucking opened my eyes to it because I never thought about it that way.

02:35:54.000 See, that's what it looks like when it's fully leather. 0.94

02:35:57.000 Oh, that's a diamond one.

02:35:58.000 See, that's the one that I use. 1.00

02:36:00.000 That's the shit. 0.99

02:36:01.000 And like I said, I'm going to give you one before you leave here. 1.00

02:36:04.000 You'll swear by it. 0.99

02:36:05.000 Just one good dick injury and you're going to go, okay. 0.99

02:36:09.000 This is not worth it. 0.99

02:36:10.000 And again, I was doing jujitsu for probably twelve, there it is.

02:36:15.000 That's a Thai steel cup. 0.61

02:36:16.000 I was doing jujitsu for probably twelve years before I had this dick injury, so it's not that common.

02:36:21.000 So that bottom strap of the old Thai cup, right through the crack. 0.85

02:36:26.000 Right down the old pipe.

02:36:28.000 Yeah.

02:36:29.000 Woo! 0.99

02:36:30.000 No, thank you.

02:36:32.000 Not comfortable. 0.98

02:36:32.000 I'm sure it sucks. 0.98

02:36:33.000 But I think in a tie fight, it's probably mandatory. 0.95

02:36:37.000 Or, yeah, that might be good in a gunfight, too.

02:36:39.000 It might help ricochet someone else.

02:36:40.000 Yeah, right.

02:36:42.000 If someone wants to kick you in the nuts, then they're just hitting metal. 0.98

02:36:45.000 No, thank you. 0.96

02:36:46.000 Yeah, well, that's what Kenny said.

02:36:47.000 Kenny said, listen, if somebody kicks me in the nuts, it's bad for them.

02:36:51.000 Makes sense.

02:36:52.000 Probably wouldn't do it twice. 0.98

02:36:53.000 Yeah, I mean, you rarely see nut shots in tie fights, and I really think that's probably a big part of it, because they know there's a fucking steel cup there. 0.97

02:37:03.000 Just a barrier. 0.86

02:37:05.000 Plus, in a fight like that, I don't think a nut shot's necessarily going to end it, do you?

02:37:09.000 Well, nut shots can do terrible damage. 0.99

02:37:11.000 There was a guy that fought in the UFC, Brian Green, and in sparring one time, he decided to not wear a cup.

02:37:19.000 I think it was like just the last couple rounds of sparring, and he just said, look, I'm just going to go light or whatever. 0.98

02:37:25.000 Some guy kicked him in his nuts, and his nut exploded, so he lost one of his testicles. 0.79

02:37:31.000 You've got to think of how hard a person can kick. 0.99

02:37:34.000 Think about a guy like Stylebender kicking you in the nuts. 0.98

02:37:38.000 Think about a real good kickboxer kicking you, and it hit that little mushy little organ that makes all your jizz. 0.99

02:37:45.000 Probably press it against something hard.

02:37:47.000 Just flatten it and splatter it, and it can never heal.

02:37:51.000 Yeah, they explode, man. 1.00

02:37:52.000 Your balls can explode. 1.00

02:37:54.000 Not good. 0.99

02:37:55.000 So that's what happened to this one gentleman who was a professional fighter.

02:38:00.000 I think he was a Miletic guy, I'm pretty sure. 1.00

02:38:02.000 And lost a ball.

02:38:03.000 What do you think is going to happen with professional fighting as this goes on?

02:38:07.000 In what way?

02:38:08.000 With the UFC? Yeah, the cards that they have lined up.

02:38:10.000 Dude, they're going to fight on a battleship.

02:38:12.000 They're going to take Khabib and Tony and put them in international waters and helicopter everybody in.

02:38:16.000 I don't know, honestly.

02:38:17.000 I mean, they can't have the crowds.

02:38:19.000 No, they can't have crowds.

02:38:20.000 Not for a while.

02:38:20.000 I mean, this fight is supposed to take place April 18th.

02:38:24.000 That's not that far from now.

02:38:25.000 Where is it supposed to take place?

02:38:27.000 It's supposed to be in Brooklyn, but it's not going to be in Brooklyn.

02:38:29.000 They've already shut that down?

02:38:30.000 Yeah, they've shut it down.

02:38:33.000 They don't know how long it's going to take for this virus to run its cycle.

02:38:38.000 And it could conceivably take a year.

02:38:41.000 I don't know, man.

02:38:42.000 That's the weirdest thing about all this.

02:38:45.000 Sometimes when I'm in bed at night, I'll get up to take a leak or something like that, and I'll go, this is crazy.

02:38:50.000 No one knows what's happening.

02:38:51.000 No one knows what's going to happen.

02:38:53.000 And then we're relying on politicians to make these decisions and these choices based on disease experts who weren't adequately funded or prepared to take this on in the first place.

02:39:05.000 Apparently, the Trump administration had gotten rid of the pandemic office.

02:39:09.000 There was a whole office that's supposed to be...

02:39:11.000 I've seen both yay and nay on that one.

02:39:15.000 People are like, fact-checked it is not true, and then other people are saying that he did.

02:39:18.000 That's a good question, because the woman who asked Trump kind of caught him off guard and he wasn't aware of it.

02:39:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:25.000 There's so many stupid fucking... 1.00

02:39:27.000 There's this one lady that... 1.00

02:39:28.000 There's this video of her saying, I heard that someone in your office referred to it as the Kung Flu.

02:39:34.000 I saw that, yeah.

02:39:36.000 Is this the time to worry about this?

02:39:38.000 Who's the person?

02:39:38.000 And he goes, who?

02:39:39.000 Who did it?

02:39:40.000 They didn't know.

02:39:41.000 And then they did the same thing to Kellyanne Conway.

02:39:43.000 And they're asking her.

02:39:44.000 And she's like, well, do you know my husband's half Asian?

02:39:46.000 My children are Asian.

02:39:47.000 Like, do you think I'm great?

02:39:47.000 Like, what do you...

02:39:48.000 I'm not going to deal in hypotheticals. 0.97

02:39:50.000 She's like, well, this is a nonsense conversation, but it's this goddamn social justice narrative that people are still trying to push, even in times of crisis. 0.97

02:39:57.000 Who called it the Kung Flu? 0.99

02:39:58.000 Like, if Bobby McFuckface called it Kung Flu, and you got a video of, hey, Bobby, don't do that. 1.00

02:40:04.000 That's kind of fucked up. 0.99

02:40:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:40:05.000 But you don't even have a name? 0.99

02:40:07.000 You said you heard someone called it the Kung Fu?

02:40:10.000 And this is what you want to talk to the president about? 1.00

02:40:12.000 You have one goddamn question? 0.99

02:40:14.000 The name of a thing? 1.00

02:40:16.000 How about are we going to die?

02:40:18.000 Circle of influence versus circle of concern.

02:40:21.000 Also, this is something that they know makes people upset and is something they know that can get a rise and something they know that can get traction in terms of a news story.

02:40:33.000 Which is the exact opposite of what they should be doing.

02:40:35.000 Exactly.

02:40:36.000 The one good thing about this is it highlights how much nonsense we put credence to, how much nonsense we spend time paying attention to. 0.97

02:40:46.000 And when you're just trying to get food and toilet paper and stay healthy and not get a fucking killer disease, all those other things get thrown out the window. 0.96

02:40:54.000 And that's the good thing about this. 0.97

02:40:56.000 That's one of the only good things.

02:40:58.000 The other good thing, I think, is I'm hoping this gives us a greater sense of community.

02:41:03.000 I mean, I'm hoping that people come together.

02:41:05.000 I really do.

02:41:06.000 I really hope people come together and they realize that this is... 0.99

02:41:09.000 We have had it so easy, and it's one of the reasons why we've been complaining about stupid shit, is because we had it so easy. 0.98

02:41:17.000 Yeah, and I hope it tightens this social contract that we should have where we're taking care of older generations and everything in between. 0.99

02:41:23.000 Yeah, and I hope they do.

02:41:25.000 If they didn't used to have a pandemic department that was shut down, find out if that's true.

02:41:29.000 Since we're here, we are in the middle of talking about this.

02:41:33.000 Did the Trump administration close down the pandemic office?

02:41:36.000 I've seen multiple posts where it said they did, and then multiple where it said they didn't.

02:41:39.000 That's the problem with today. 0.99

02:41:40.000 There's so much bullshit out there, Andy. 1.00

02:41:43.000 So much bullshit! 1.00

02:41:45.000 Ah! 1.00

02:41:47.000 It's so hard.

02:41:48.000 And it's easy for guys like us.

02:41:49.000 We have hundreds of pounds of meat sitting around.

02:41:52.000 Our families are fed.

02:41:54.000 We don't have to worry about it like a lot of people do.

02:41:56.000 Would you give that meat away to people in need?

02:41:58.000 I'm giving that meat away.

02:41:59.000 I'm giving it to all my friends.

02:42:00.000 I would too.

02:42:00.000 I'm giving it away to a lot of my friends.

02:42:04.000 I tried to give something to Duncan, but his wife won't let him come back.

02:42:07.000 Why?

02:42:08.000 Did you guys get in trouble?

02:42:09.000 She's scared.

02:42:10.000 Yeah, she's scared.

02:42:12.000 Yeah, she's scared.

02:42:13.000 Well, they're new parents.

02:42:15.000 They have a one-year-old.

02:42:16.000 She's a young gal. 1.00

02:42:18.000 His outfit was amazing.

02:42:20.000 I know.

02:42:21.000 Yours was not bad either.

02:42:23.000 Well, I've worn that one many times.

02:42:24.000 That's my go-to, I'm too stoned outfit.

02:42:28.000 NASA suit with sunglasses.

02:42:29.000 It's a power move, though.

02:42:31.000 Yeah, you could just sit there and...

02:42:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:33.000 I'm in space, bitch. 1.00

02:42:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:42:36.000 Meanwhile, Duncan's got a face mask on, ghillie suit, sunglasses. 1.00

02:42:40.000 Those fucking ghillie suits are so uncomfortable. 1.00

02:42:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:42:44.000 It kept falling down. 1.00

02:42:45.000 Like, I was saying, you're like a fat, white, trash lady in Florida that's got a halter top. 1.00

02:42:51.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:42:51.000 And it's just like, you gotta kinda keep pulling that... 1.00

02:42:55.000 The concept is great.

02:42:56.000 They don't work.

02:42:57.000 It's just so heavy. 0.80

02:42:58.000 You sweat your ass off.

02:42:59.000 It's exhausting. 1.00

02:43:00.000 Just take all that shit off. 0.99

02:43:01.000 Yeah, I would feel like just Sitka subalpine camo would be just as effective if you're hiding. 1.00

02:43:07.000 When I went through sniper school, they gave you a ghillie suit.

02:43:10.000 And before, there was the shooting phase first and then the stalking phase.

02:43:14.000 And you're like taking off burlap and these intricate patterns.

02:43:17.000 And we did stocking out in Nyland, which is the high desert of California by the Chocolate Mountains.

02:43:23.000 And there's just a couple.

02:43:25.000 It's sparse.

02:43:26.000 Some trees, some brushes.

02:43:28.000 And you're wearing a ghillie suit. 1.00

02:43:29.000 Fuck me. 1.00

02:43:30.000 And you're like crawling, and the sun is hitting you, and it's like, it's glowing. 1.00

02:43:34.000 It's just like, ah! 0.95

02:43:35.000 And then, so you spent like months getting these things ready, and then you just got scissors out, just cutting all of this crap off. 0.81

02:43:42.000 To reduce weight?

02:43:44.000 Well, the light reflects to it differently.

02:43:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:47.000 So what you're better off doing is just grabbing local, like, foliage in the area and just jamming it in there.

02:43:52.000 Oh, okay.

02:43:52.000 And you can move, it's just, they're miserable.

02:43:54.000 It was...

02:43:55.000 Horrendous experience.

02:43:56.000 The idea of camo with animals is so interesting to me, you know, because when I first found out that animals don't see things the way we see things, they see movement.

02:44:07.000 Yeah.

02:44:08.000 But it makes sense.

02:44:09.000 You know, like, they have to.

02:44:10.000 That's what keeps them alive. 0.99

02:44:11.000 Something twitches, like, what the fuck was that? 0.99

02:44:13.000 Was that something real? 0.99

02:44:15.000 Have you seen an elk kind of look in your direction, not even sure what you are?

02:44:19.000 Yeah.

02:44:19.000 And they're like, what are you?

02:44:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:21.000 Like, bitch, you don't even know? 1.00

02:44:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:23.000 And it's like this weird movement thing where they're like just waiting to see movement.

02:44:27.000 If you don't move long enough, you can stay still long enough.

02:44:29.000 They just go about their business.

02:44:31.000 Yeah, but then they come check back again.

02:44:32.000 That's when they bust me.

02:44:33.000 Duh! 1.00

02:44:34.000 You get impatient?

02:44:35.000 Yeah.

02:44:35.000 Sometimes.

02:44:36.000 From time to time.

02:44:37.000 Now that you're living in Montana, how often are you getting to go hunt?

02:44:41.000 You know, I actually didn't use my Montana tag last year.

02:44:44.000 You didn't?

02:44:44.000 I had success in Alberta.

02:44:47.000 I got a bull there and a mule deer.

02:44:49.000 And then I had success on that last day in Utah.

02:44:52.000 And I didn't have the room for any more meat.

02:44:56.000 So I ate my Montana deer and elk tag.

02:44:58.000 Oh, wow.

02:44:59.000 Well, good for you.

02:45:02.000 Yeah.

02:45:02.000 The opportunity is there for sure, though.

02:45:05.000 I almost feel like, for me, I would have maybe gone and donated the meat.

02:45:10.000 Because it's like, one of the things about, and people say, why would you do that?

02:45:13.000 One of the things about hunting is, I think you have to do it a lot.

02:45:18.000 It's like stand-up or jujitsu or a lot there's a lot of things Where the experience is so intense and so alien from everyday life that you have to be accustomed to like one of the things about Fighting that I always found like I fought way better when I fought often because of like like one of my biggest Tournaments that I won was the American Open that I won right at I fought one week and then I fought the next week and And I'm like,

02:45:47.000 God, I feel so normal.

02:45:48.000 It feels so normal to fight.

02:45:50.000 Like, I just did it.

02:45:51.000 Oh, there's a currency aspect to it.

02:45:52.000 Yeah.

02:45:53.000 It's the same thing in all this stuff, like the skydiving and base jumping stuff I used to do.

02:45:57.000 The more you do it, you're on autopilot.

02:45:59.000 Yeah, you get used to that experience.

02:46:01.000 Yeah, the farther from the exposure, you're like, eh, it doesn't feel quite right.

02:46:05.000 Or then you start like, is this how I do this?

02:46:07.000 Like, is this how you route that?

02:46:08.000 My first hunt every year is always weird.

02:46:11.000 That's one of the reasons why I really like going to Lanai first.

02:46:14.000 Because first of all, there's like an actual ethical imperative to kill animals in Lanai. 0.99

02:46:18.000 They have to be killed. 1.00

02:46:19.000 They need you to be a savage murderer in Lanai. 1.00

02:46:22.000 Yeah, they fucking have 30,000 deer in a tiny island with 3,000 people. 0.99

02:46:26.000 So they need you to, and also it's really hard to do. 0.97

02:46:29.000 Like bow hunting on Lanai, one of the things that Dudley and I found out and Cam on our last hunt last year, we go, how many people are bow hunting this year?

02:46:38.000 It's like a lot.

02:46:38.000 How many people are successful?

02:46:39.000 He goes, we had 150 hunts, 150 hunters last year.

02:46:44.000 One was successful.

02:46:45.000 Everybody else pulled out the rifle.

02:46:47.000 We're like, what?

02:46:48.000 Whoa.

02:46:49.000 One guy was successful bow hunting in the time that we were there to the time that we were there again in a whole year.

02:46:56.000 One guy. 0.99

02:46:57.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

02:46:58.000 They're so wired. 1.00

02:46:59.000 I mean, I don't have to tell you.

02:47:01.000 Yeah, I was there.

02:47:01.000 It was humbling.

02:47:02.000 It's crazy.

02:47:02.000 But you do get a bunch of reps out.

02:47:04.000 Like, if you had a little rust you needed to knock off, that is where it's going to be.

02:47:09.000 If you get in a zone there and you can start getting in on them, you are going to be a ninja on some Western Rocky Mountain stuff.

02:47:17.000 The one axis deer that I shot last year, Dudley and I crawled for a good solid hour and a half until we got to position. 0.91

02:47:25.000 I mean, we fucking creepy, creepy crawled until we got behind this bush. 0.97

02:47:29.000 And then I shot this deer like 50 plus yards from my knees and whacked him. 0.99

02:47:35.000 And it was like, that was a hard-earned kill. 0.63

02:47:40.000 And that's a far shot on one of those things. 1.00

02:47:42.000 Yes, because those fuckers are so fast. 1.00

02:47:44.000 We have a video of me shooting one at 80, and the deer is just sitting there eating, feeding. 1.00

02:47:50.000 The arrow, because I have a lighted knock, arrow's tracking in flight, headed to the pump station, 15 yards away.

02:47:58.000 He's like, he hears it, and he's gone.

02:48:01.000 So this arrow's going 290 feet a second, 15 yards away from him.

02:48:08.000 He hears it, and he's gone.

02:48:10.000 And then by the time the arrow got to him, his physical body was no longer there.

02:48:13.000 It's like, here he is.

02:48:14.000 It's going right there, and then the arrow's on.

02:48:16.000 He's like, chomp, bye.

02:48:17.000 When I was there with Barklow, he had a cameraman behind him.

02:48:21.000 And I think his shot was inside of 40. And the guy was taking high-speed pictures, just...

02:48:26.000 And you see the arrow release, and the animal is calm.

02:48:31.000 And in the next frame, the striations that are visible to include its nose.

02:48:39.000 Every muscle in the animal.

02:48:40.000 And the arrow is just like a little bit out of the bow.

02:48:43.000 And then by the time where the arrow hits, the thing is like halfway off the frame.

02:48:47.000 I'm like, oh boy.

02:48:48.000 What we found is you gotta hunt them in the afternoon because it's windy.

02:48:51.000 And they don't hear anything.

02:48:53.000 We had four days out there where it was...

02:48:57.000 Just enough wind that it would swirl, and Barkle and I just trudge through and just discuss the most optimum ways to commit suicide in the evenings.

02:49:07.000 Cam shot one bedded at 70 yards.

02:49:09.000 He hit a frontal shot at 70 yards right in the pump station. 1.00

02:49:13.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:49:14.000 Because he's Cam Haynes, because he's a savage, but it's the perfect shot at 70 yards. 0.99

02:49:20.000 And that's how you do it.

02:49:21.000 They don't hear it because it's so far away, and the thing was bedded and it was windy.

02:49:26.000 The first one I actually shot there was bedded, too.

02:49:28.000 Yeah, that's the way to do it.

02:49:30.000 If you can catch them bedded, at least you have this window where they have to get to their feet before they can run.

02:49:36.000 It's not a big window.

02:49:37.000 That's not a big window.

02:49:38.000 Well, you're talking about an animal that evolved to get away from tigers.

02:49:41.000 Yeah.

02:49:41.000 No, I've never been around an animal that was more tuned up or keyed up than that.

02:49:45.000 And also, the pressure.

02:49:46.000 They get hunted 365 days a year, and then there's snipers that come there every day just to reduce the population.

02:49:54.000 Because they have to, right?

02:49:55.000 They have to.

02:49:55.000 Yeah.

02:49:56.000 But also, they feed the locals.

02:49:57.000 They eat great.

02:49:58.000 Yeah.

02:49:58.000 I mean, they're eating the best meat on earth.

02:50:01.000 Hard to describe to people how good Axis Deer is.

02:50:03.000 It's so delicious.

02:50:04.000 It's so delicious.

02:50:06.000 I prefer elk over it, but just by a touch.

02:50:08.000 Well, it's a little more tender than elk, which is interesting, because they're so fast, you would think.

02:50:13.000 I had some elk last night.

02:50:14.000 It was delicious, but there's a chew to it.

02:50:16.000 Elk is like, I like it, but my kids are like, this is so chewy.

02:50:20.000 How was that elk heart you made?

02:50:22.000 Fantastic.

02:50:23.000 Elkhart tacos.

02:50:24.000 So good.

02:50:25.000 I'll take a hard pass on that.

02:50:27.000 You don't eat the heart?

02:50:28.000 No.

02:50:29.000 I'm not exploring to worry with my food.

02:50:31.000 I'll eat tacos, but I need it to be out of the sirloin.

02:50:34.000 Well, when I went carnivore, one of the things I started eating is I started eating a lot of liver.

02:50:38.000 Organ beets?

02:50:38.000 Yeah, I buy a lot of beef liver.

02:50:40.000 I buy that all the time.

02:50:42.000 Whenever stores have it, I buy beef liver.

02:50:45.000 It's really good for you.

02:50:46.000 I'm going to take a hard pass on that, too.

02:50:48.000 It's good.

02:50:49.000 Leave it off for me.

02:50:50.000 That's fine.

02:50:51.000 You can have all of that.

02:50:52.000 Beef liver, eggs.

02:50:53.000 I've been eating a lot of eggs.

02:50:55.000 The best I ever felt was when I went carnivore for a month.

02:50:58.000 Strict carnivore for a month.

02:50:59.000 I didn't do anything but carnivore.

02:51:01.000 Occasionally, I'll have a grape or something like that.

02:51:03.000 Maybe I ate an olive.

02:51:04.000 Why'd you come off of it?

02:51:05.000 Oh, because I just committed to it for January.

02:51:09.000 I'm not really off of it.

02:51:11.000 I'm mostly eating that way. 0.99

02:51:14.000 Occasionally, I'll fuck off and have a piece of apple pie. 0.99

02:51:17.000 During this apocalypse, I've been eating whatever. 0.99

02:51:20.000 Because I'm figuring, like, while this apocalypse is going on, I'm just going to take in calories.

02:51:24.000 Because I don't want to be a prissy diet person when, you know, all I can have is rice.

02:51:31.000 Variable discipline.

02:51:32.000 I'm in the same way.

02:51:33.000 I can eat an entire trash bag full of popcorn.

02:51:35.000 And I will sometimes.

02:51:37.000 But it's just the concern is it could get to the pool.

02:51:40.000 I don't want to have my body adjust to eating regular food when that might be the only thing available.

02:51:46.000 I'm really concerned that we could come down to a supply chain problem and a food problem if that does happen.

02:51:55.000 This is one thing.

02:51:57.000 This is one thing of a virus.

02:51:59.000 What if one thing gets compounded by solar flares that knock out the power grid or an earthquake or multiple things that could happen simultaneously at any time?

02:52:09.000 We're going to find out who people really are really fast.

02:52:13.000 Yes.

02:52:14.000 All right, Andy.

02:52:15.000 We just did three hours.

02:52:16.000 We did?

02:52:17.000 Yeah.

02:52:17.000 That's how you do that, I guess.

02:52:19.000 How crazy is that?

02:52:20.000 Three hours and ten minutes.

02:52:21.000 It's over.

02:52:22.000 It's 310 now.

02:52:23.000 And we did it for, is it 310 or we did 310?

02:52:26.000 It's 310. Alright.

02:52:26.000 It's 320, it's according to that thing.

02:52:29.000 Which one's right?

02:52:30.000 Is this one?

02:52:31.000 It's 310. Oh, that one says 310. Oh, 320 is the date, you fucking retard. 1.00

02:52:37.000 All right. 0.99

02:52:38.000 Love to you all.

02:52:39.000 Thank you, everybody.

02:52:40.000 Andy Stumpf, thank you.

02:52:41.000 Tell everybody your podcast, Cleared Hot, available on iTunes, everywhere you look, your Instagram and Twitter.

02:52:49.000 Andy Stumpf, 212 on Instagram.

02:52:51.000 A-Stumpf, or Andy Stumpf, 77. Spell that for people who can't.

02:52:54.000 A-N-D-Y-S-T-U-M-P-F, as in go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:52:58.000 212. All right. 1.00

02:53:02.000 Thank you, brother.

02:53:02.000 Appreciate you, man.

02:53:03.000 Yep.

02:53:03.000 Thanks for having me.

02:53:04.000 Always fun.

02:53:04.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 21, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1445 - Andy Stumpf

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