The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1492 - Jocko Willink

00:00:01.000 If anybody's got the answers, it's Jocko.

00:00:04.000 Got any answers?

00:00:06.000 I'm not quite so sure about that.

00:00:07.000 I'm not sure how this movie ends. 1.00

00:00:10.000 This is the dumbest fucking movie ever. 1.00

00:00:12.000 Do you know Magic the Gathering is now racist? 1.00

00:00:15.000 I don't even know what Magic the Gathering is. 0.97

00:00:17.000 It's some dorky game that nerds play.

00:00:20.000 How is it racist?

00:00:22.000 I don't know.

00:00:23.000 I only saw the title of the article that they're trying to cancel Magic the Gathering.

00:00:27.000 I'm like, oh Christ.

00:00:30.000 I thought that's what you guys liked.

00:00:32.000 I thought they liked Magic the Gathering.

00:00:34.000 I have no idea.

00:00:35.000 Everything's problematic.

00:00:37.000 Everyone's getting canceled.

00:00:39.000 It's amazing how many people did blackface. 0.90

00:00:42.000 Yeah, it's very strange.

00:00:44.000 It's very strange.

00:00:47.000 It's very strange.

00:00:49.000 I mean, it was on primetime TV, right?

00:00:51.000 Yeah, a bunch of times.

00:00:52.000 Yeah.

00:00:53.000 I mean, like, in the modern world, primetime TV. Jimmy Fallon was doing, well, he's doing a Chris Rock impression, which, by the way, you used to be able to do.

00:01:01.000 When I was in high school, my friends were Mr. T for Halloween. 0.98

00:01:04.000 Nobody gave a fuck. 0.98

00:01:05.000 Nobody was like, Jimmy, what's wrong with you? 0.99

00:01:08.000 Everybody's like, oh, you're Mr. T for Halloween.

00:01:10.000 It was never, like, a problem.

00:01:13.000 It's a very strange thing.

00:01:15.000 You know?

00:01:16.000 Like, you can do whiteface. 0.82

00:01:18.000 No problem.

00:01:19.000 Here it is.

00:01:19.000 What is this?

00:01:19.000 Magic the Gathering.

00:01:20.000 Invoke Prejudice card.

00:01:22.000 It's an enchantment card which restricts the caster's opponents only using summons that match the skin color of their opposing creatures.

00:01:32.000 Huh?

00:01:34.000 If you brought me on to talk about this, I should leave now.

00:01:37.000 About Magic the Gathering.

00:01:40.000 This is why I'm here, man.

00:01:41.000 We're in a bad way. 0.99

00:01:42.000 It just shows how fucked up everything is. 0.98

00:01:46.000 There's a lot of thin skin out there right now, apparently. 0.99

00:01:48.000 I just don't, I mean, it seems like a perfect storm.

00:01:51.000 Like, if you wanted to engineer the downfall of society, you would do it in several steps.

00:01:57.000 You would have a reality show president, where everybody's mad at them, and then all the liberals get their feathers in a ruffle, and everybody gets real super uptight, and then there's this big divide between the left and the right that's kind of, you know, manufactured, and then you'd have this disease.

00:02:14.000 Just lock everyone inside.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, unprecedented.

00:02:17.000 Shut down the economy.

00:02:19.000 Force people to not work. 0.99

00:02:20.000 So if your business falls apart, you could be the most hard-working, diligent, disciplined person who's always at work an hour early, always has your I's dotted and your T's crossed, and you still go broke, and you're still fucked.

00:02:33.000 Then you have this George Floyd thing and then boom it just ignites the power keg the other thing that you have to wrap around all this is this social media which is You know I'm only gonna post things that are just gonna completely make everyone that sees whatever I'm posting emotional and and filled with rage whether you're on the left or you're on the right my goal is to enrage people and That's the goal.

00:03:00.000 And then that just gets spun up over and over.

00:03:02.000 So you're taking all these little incidents and you're multiplying times thousands and thousands of views.

00:03:08.000 And then on top of that, mainstream media is the same thing, right?

00:03:13.000 It's not like there's this huge difference between what the mainstream media shows and what social media is.

00:03:18.000 It's both emotional media.

00:03:19.000 Just trying to make people emotional.

00:03:21.000 Which is the worst possible thing.

00:03:23.000 No one makes good decisions when they're emotional.

00:03:25.000 No.

00:03:26.000 I spent my adult life trying to train humans to not get emotional in pressure situations.

00:03:31.000 Why?

00:03:31.000 Because it's gonna end up bad every single time.

00:03:34.000 Every single time.

00:03:36.000 And yet, that's what our society is based on right now.

00:03:39.000 It's based on these emotional reactions. 0.99

00:03:41.000 Yeah, because of social media, I think, and because of things like YouTube and user-created content where anybody can kind of make videos, so many things are vying for folks' attention that mainstream media has resorted to click-baity type shit. 0.91

00:03:57.000 Whether it's New York Times articles, which, you know, used to be beyond reproach. 0.96

00:04:02.000 They've gone social justice warrior and click-baity.

00:04:04.000 And all these other websites are 100% click-baity.

00:04:07.000 That's the only way they can get people to pay attention. 1.00

00:04:09.000 Like, I saw the dumbest fucking article. 1.00

00:04:13.000 I couldn't believe how dumb it was. 1.00

00:04:14.000 It was an article on Ozark. 0.98

00:04:16.000 It's like, has Ozark been canceled? 0.99

00:04:19.000 And I'm like, fuck, they canceled that show? 0.99

00:04:21.000 That show's amazing. 0.99

00:04:22.000 So then I click on the article.

00:04:23.000 The entire article is about a guy who couldn't find season one on Ozark because there was a glitch and then he found it.

00:04:32.000 And so it's not... 0.98

00:04:33.000 So the whole article was just bullshit. 0.98

00:04:35.000 But they got me. 0.99

00:04:38.000 They get everybody.

00:04:38.000 They got you to click.

00:04:39.000 They got their advertising dollars because they can show the engagement with the audience.

00:04:43.000 Exactly.

00:04:44.000 Well, here's a good one.

00:04:45.000 CNN showed a guy got shot yesterday in San Bernardino.

00:04:51.000 A Hispanic man got shot in San Bernardino.

00:04:54.000 So that's the title.

00:04:55.000 The title of the article is, Hispanic man gets gunned down by the police in San Bernardino.

00:05:00.000 What they leave out is the guy had a gun and was shooting at the cops.

00:05:05.000 So this guy's got a gun.

00:05:07.000 There's photos of this gentleman with a gun.

00:05:10.000 And there's a cop on his knees about to shoot the guy.

00:05:14.000 The guy's standing in front of a gas station.

00:05:16.000 There's gas pumps.

00:05:17.000 I mean, maybe he felt like they wouldn't shoot at him because the gas tanks were right behind him, the pumps were right behind him, but why would they leave that out?

00:05:25.000 Guy with gun in gunfight with cops dies is the right title, not Hispanic man gunned down by cops. 0.97

00:05:33.000 They're literally trying to incite Anger and violence they know that you read that and you see Hispanic man shot by cops like these motherfuckers They're murderers they won't stop and they leave out this picture of this man with a gun pointing it You're looking at me like I'm going to say some kind of really profound answer. 0.97

00:05:53.000 I got nothing for you. 0.99

00:05:55.000 Because you're exactly right.

00:05:57.000 What do they set up that headline for?

00:06:00.000 It's to outrage people.

00:06:01.000 Anyone that actually opens it up and reads it would actually probably say something like, hmm, sounds like the cops did a good job on that one and killed a bad guy before he blew up a gas station and killed a bunch of innocent people.

00:06:13.000 But that's obviously not that.

00:06:15.000 I mean, think if you try to write a headline the other way.

00:06:17.000 Of how these heroic cops face man with gun, eliminate him before he can cause terror in this neighborhood.

00:06:24.000 That would be a nice headline to read, but you're not going to see it.

00:06:27.000 You're not going to see that.

00:06:28.000 Not today.

00:06:29.000 Because it's not going to drive enough people crazy.

00:06:31.000 Today, if your wife tweets, all lives matter, you can get fired. 1.00

00:06:38.000 It doesn't even have to be you anymore.

00:06:41.000 All lives matter.

00:06:42.000 Just imagine a time where saying all lives matter is so controversial that you could get fired.

00:06:49.000 Didn't that happen to a soccer player or something?

00:06:52.000 Yes.

00:06:52.000 A soccer player's wife tweeted something like that.

00:06:59.000 The guy who runs the Kings, or the guy who's the commentator for the Kings, they fired him.

00:07:04.000 You know, a lot of it is this, right?

00:07:08.000 So, people are feeling a certain way, and they're not feeling, like this girl that wrote All Lives Matter.

00:07:15.000 Do you think that was her clandestine way of showing that she's all about white pride?

00:07:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:21.000 No.

00:07:21.000 She was thinking, hey, everyone matters.

00:07:23.000 She's probably having some nice thoughts. 0.80

00:07:25.000 But then all of a sudden, no, this chick is evil for doing this. 1.00

00:07:30.000 And I think there's a lot of that.

00:07:32.000 I think there's a lot of people that...

00:07:33.000 I think most people are...

00:07:35.000 Pretty sane.

00:07:36.000 I think most people are pretty reasonable.

00:07:37.000 I think, you know, anybody looking at the George Floyd case is like, yeah, that's completely wrong, that's disgusting, it's horrible, it's heinous to watch.

00:07:46.000 I haven't heard anyone say anything other than that.

00:07:49.000 So, how are we just getting so completely divided on this whole thing and start attacking people, start attacking each other just over absolutely everything?

00:08:00.000 That's a good point because this is literally a case where no one Is saying there's nothing wrong with what that cop did.

00:08:07.000 No one.

00:08:08.000 No one.

00:08:08.000 Zero people.

00:08:09.000 Zero people.

00:08:10.000 But yet everybody's still at each other's throats.

00:08:13.000 Zero people have stuck up for that guy in any way, shape, or form.

00:08:17.000 Even law enforcement.

00:08:18.000 No law enforcement people saying, you gotta understand.

00:08:20.000 This is how you control a man.

00:08:22.000 You gotta lean on his neck for about 8 minutes, 40, 45 seconds, 46 seconds.

00:08:28.000 No one's saying that.

00:08:29.000 And unfortunately, you know what they're saying?

00:08:31.000 They're saying, defund the police.

00:08:33.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.000 They're saying, no more chokeholds, right?

00:08:37.000 Which...

00:08:37.000 I think is crazy.

00:08:38.000 Is crazy.

00:08:39.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 If you want to get someone to be under control and you can't choke them, you know what you have to do?

00:08:45.000 You have to hit them in the head with a baton. 0.99

00:08:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:48.000 Seven times and you got a risk giving them brain damage permanently injuring them if people know what they're doing I mean Obviously if people know what they're doing.

00:08:58.000 Oh, we'll put a joke on the wake up.

00:09:00.000 They'll be cuffed. 0.95

00:09:01.000 Yeah, we're all good Yeah, obviously You know it's the people that are doing it wrong is the problem the people that shouldn't be doing in the first place It's untrained people it's but if you're if you're not you're a cop and you're a fight for your life, and you can't use Chokeholds that's fucking crazy insane you're gonna get shot and killed or somebody else is gonna get shot and killed someone's gonna take your gun yeah,

00:09:24.000 and and the idea of defund the police and I I understand the premise okay, and this is once again where Many people that say defund the police, they don't mean, hey, just get rid of police.

00:09:37.000 Of course, there's a fraction of people that are saying defund the police means we don't want any more police anymore.

00:09:42.000 There's a portion of people saying that.

00:09:44.000 There's some people that are saying, well, if we defund the police, we can relocate some of that money and we can do, you know, better schools and we can put money into the infrastructure inside these neighborhoods.

00:09:55.000 But here's the problem.

00:09:57.000 You know what the police need more than anything else?

00:09:59.000 They need money for training.

00:10:00.000 And the way the police departments are set up, they do the most ridiculously minuscule amount of training for what their job is.

00:10:10.000 So, as you know, I was in the SEAL teams.

00:10:12.000 We would train for 18 months.

00:10:15.000 18 months we would train to go on a six-month deployment.

00:10:19.000 Cops, they train, they get like two hours or four hours of combatives training.

00:10:27.000 A year.

00:10:29.000 A year.

00:10:34.000 That's complete insanity.

00:10:36.000 Insanity.

00:10:36.000 It's complete insanity.

00:10:38.000 The thing I've been saying is cops should train one-fifth of the time.

00:10:43.000 One-fifth of the time you should be training, whether it's two hours a day, four times a week, or whether it's one day a week, where you're going to go and you're going to go through scenarios.

00:10:51.000 You're going to do combatives.

00:10:52.000 You're going to work with simunition.

00:10:54.000 You're going to do de-escalation drills.

00:10:57.000 Because it's really hard.

00:10:58.000 I mean being a cop is I think is the hardest job in the world and by the way They're not gonna have to worry about defunding the police because no one's gonna want to be a cop anymore Who is gonna be fired up to be a cop right now?

00:11:08.000 Who's gonna think you know what when I grow up?

00:11:11.000 I want to be hated by entire you know by a massive portion of the country I want to be viewed as someone that's a that kills innocent people The recruiting in cop for police is gonna go down so hard. 0.96

00:11:25.000 It's gonna be ridiculous It's gonna be ridiculous and then who are you getting there? 0.91

00:11:28.000 You're gonna get people that are Worst level people worst level humans are gonna show up to be cops so the training piece though They should do very, very scenario-driven training, right?

00:11:43.000 Where you come into a room, and this isn't like super expensive stuff either.

00:11:46.000 You come into a room.

00:11:48.000 There's a person there.

00:11:49.000 They appear to be compliant.

00:11:52.000 You learn how to talk to them.

00:11:54.000 You very quickly learn that instead of yelling them out of the gate, you say, hey man, what's going on?

00:11:59.000 Hey, what's your name?

00:12:00.000 You know, what's going on?

00:12:02.000 We got a call here.

00:12:03.000 Is everything okay?

00:12:03.000 You immediately de-escalate.

00:12:06.000 Then you learn what to do when they don't respond the way you want them to respond.

00:12:11.000 Then you learn what to do when they start to do something drastic.

00:12:15.000 What's the best thing for you?

00:12:16.000 And you play through these scenarios.

00:12:18.000 It's just like jujitsu in the fact that What makes jujitsu good?

00:12:22.000 What makes jujitsu good is we can go hard against each other over and over again and Not really get hurt not really get killed so you get really good at it That's what you need to do in training for police You need to go through these tough scenarios over and over again because you do get better at it You do get better at it you become You learn how to mentally detach and not get emotional and realize that there's other things that are happening when you see the George Floyd case A couple of the other cops too,

00:12:51.000 I think two of the other guys were complete rookies, right?

00:12:53.000 They had been on the force for a very short period of time.

00:12:56.000 No one in that group of four, obviously you got the killer himself.

00:13:01.000 He's actually conducting the act, but all the other guys are not paying attention.

00:13:06.000 They're all emotional themselves.

00:13:08.000 Hey, stay back.

00:13:09.000 And they're probably watching him saying, why isn't that guy moving?

00:13:12.000 And they're just caught up in it.

00:13:13.000 Whereas if someone would have showed up on the scene or one of those guys had been through some good training in their life, they would have said, What's happening here?

00:13:22.000 Hold on my partner over there has been on this guy for two minutes.

00:13:25.000 He's not moving anymore I'm gonna walk over and say hey man, let me take over.

00:13:29.000 I got this deep go over there decompress This takes training you have to train people and I got I saw this over and over again in the SEAL teams training guys I You get a young kid that's coming through training for the first time and they go into a room and they're getting shot with simunition bullets or there's someone yelling and screaming or that we put we put Arabic women coming walking out of rooms We'd have people get blown up with wounds.

00:13:51.000 We would do this to them over and over again.

00:13:54.000 So they realize okay I just got to relax.

00:13:57.000 I got to take a step back.

00:13:58.000 I got to detach from this situation so I can process what's happening and I can make a good decision because as I said earlier No one is making a good decision when they're panicked when they're freaked out when they're scared as a jujitsu guy When someone puts hands on you,

00:14:14.000 you're not actually scared, right?

00:14:16.000 You're like, oh, okay.

00:14:17.000 I know what to do here If you don't know jujitsu if you've never had someone grab you before or you haven't had someone grab you in 17 months or 14 months no one's laid hands on you because you got a badge and a gun so people when you tell them to do something 95% of the time they go okay Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble,

00:14:33.000 but then somebody grabs you you're instantly your your emotions are spiked your adrenaline spiked and The only way to overcome that is through consistent training That happens on a regular basis.

00:14:46.000 You can't just train somebody one time.

00:14:48.000 It's like ring rust.

00:14:49.000 You know, you can't just train somebody one time and, oh, now I don't need to train anymore.

00:14:52.000 No, you need to do continuous training.

00:14:54.000 So that fact right there, if we want to help the police through these situations, we need to invest more money into them.

00:15:02.000 We need to get them better training.

00:15:04.000 We need to pull them out of the field to train.

00:15:09.000 And pull them out of the field to decompress. 0.93

00:15:14.000 Because...

00:15:14.000 You ever done a ride-along?

00:15:16.000 No.

00:15:17.000 Like, you...

00:15:18.000 Whether you're doing a ride-along, whether you're going into any situation where you're thinking you could be killed, and even if it's just a remote chance, but you're doing that all the time.

00:15:26.000 All the time.

00:15:28.000 And you're hearing...

00:15:29.000 You're seeing on the news.

00:15:30.000 You're, oh, you hear this.

00:15:30.000 Oh, your buddy got shot.

00:15:32.000 Your buddy got whatever.

00:15:32.000 This other guy got, you know, his gun taken away.

00:15:36.000 Like, that stuff happens.

00:15:37.000 That stuff happens.

00:15:38.000 People get killed.

00:15:39.000 I mean, there's been...

00:15:41.000 I think there's been 31 cops killed this year.

00:15:46.000 31 cops killed this year.

00:15:48.000 And a lot of those, that's not including, you know, like a car accident or COVID. There's been a bunch of died of COVID. But just people that have been engaged with bad guys and they got killed.

00:16:00.000 So you're a cop.

00:16:02.000 When another cop gets killed, you're thinking that could be you.

00:16:04.000 So that's your mindset, and that mindset builds, and that mindset builds, and you're working 10-hour days, and you're working 12-hour days, and there's no training, and there's no breaks.

00:16:14.000 Where do you end up?

00:16:15.000 Right?

00:16:16.000 Where do you end up?

00:16:17.000 You end up being a little bit paranoid.

00:16:18.000 You end up being a little bit angry.

00:16:20.000 What happens when you get in a fight with your wife? 1.00

00:16:22.000 You know?

00:16:22.000 It's like all these things, you add them together.

00:16:25.000 It's a freaking hard job.

00:16:27.000 And from a, from a, like an entire Systemic way of training and recruiting and and keeping police Ready to do their job Whatever that job entails because let's face it most of the time that a job entails Well, 0.66

00:16:47.000 I guess most of the time it entails hey, I'm gonna go have a bad I'm about to go have a bad relationship with another human being That's what's about to happen right whether I'm pulling you over Whether I'm I've been called to your house because you were yelling and screaming and people heard your wife screaming or whatever That's what's happening.

00:17:01.000 I'm showing up in a bad relationship.

00:17:03.000 You don't like me and I already don't like you That's where we start That's where we start.

00:17:07.000 So we got to train people for that.

00:17:09.000 We also got to train them for all the times that they go in to help people, save people.

00:17:12.000 They're the first people on the scene at car accidents.

00:17:14.000 People are bleeding out.

00:17:16.000 We got to train them for that.

00:17:17.000 And then they have to also be trained for, hey, this is a bad guy that's going to, this is the guy that you just talked about at a gas station with a weapon that wants to kill a bunch of people.

00:17:27.000 You've got to be prepared for that whole spectrum as a police officer.

00:17:30.000 And yet we send them to a three month long police academy, and then we send them out in the street, and that's what they do.

00:17:36.000 Day in, day out.

00:17:37.000 Day in, day out. 0.98

00:17:40.000 It seems to me that they need to be vetted to Much better than they are now just like the seals like you can't get through buds unless you are a superior human being You have to be able to tolerate a bunch of shit that most people are gonna fall apart during and This is this seems to me.

00:17:58.000 There's a great way to weed out people that just don't have it Yeah, there's Well, one thing that's interesting, just from a physical perspective, most police departments don't even have a minimum physical requirement to continue to be on the force.

00:18:17.000 You have to be at a certain level to graduate from the academies, but oftentimes there's no standard beyond that.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, I've seen cops before that were like, this is hilarious.

00:18:26.000 Like, what is going to stop someone from closing the distance on you?

00:18:29.000 Like, you ain't getting to that gun.

00:18:31.000 Yep.

00:18:32.000 But the mental aspect is stuff that you can get better at.

00:18:36.000 Yes.

00:18:37.000 You can get better at it, but you only get better at it through training.

00:18:41.000 Right.

00:18:41.000 And you only get really comfortable through training a lot.

00:18:45.000 And yet, we put these people in these horrible positions over and over and over again, and we don't give them the proper training.

00:18:52.000 And now there's these politicians that because of the current social climate, they're encouraged to want to defund the police.

00:19:00.000 That's a great way for them to get brownie points from their constituents. 0.97

00:19:05.000 The people want the police defunded, which is the dumbest idea I've ever heard in my life. 0.74

00:19:11.000 It's so crazy that this is actually gaining steam to the point where in Minneapolis, because they're trying to quiet down the mob, they've actually gone ahead and done it. 0.99

00:19:20.000 What the fuck is Minneapolis gonna look like in a year from now? 0.98

00:19:23.000 It's gonna look like Mad Max. 0.99

00:19:25.000 I mean, it's gonna be crazy.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be crazy.

00:19:28.000 It's gonna be, you know, criminals will go there to commit crimes.

00:19:32.000 If there's no, if there's no police there, are you crazy? 1.00

00:19:35.000 By the way, this Jocko energy drink is the shit. 1.00

00:19:38.000 It's very legit. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Yeah, I just don't understand where they think this game ends.

00:19:45.000 I don't think they've planned it out.

00:19:47.000 They're not playing chess.

00:19:49.000 The other thing that, you know, you're talking about this brownie points for the politicians and there's brownie points and there's people trying to create sides.

00:20:00.000 It's my side versus your side and that's a completely political thing, right?

00:20:04.000 And all that does is increase the divide between the police and the civilians.

00:20:12.000 And this reminds me a lot of Of a counterinsurgency, right?

00:20:18.000 So, counterinsurgency, the insurgents are, you know, bad guys inside of a country.

00:20:22.000 The country's not bad.

00:20:24.000 There's some bad guys in a country.

00:20:26.000 So, what you have to do is you actually have to go out and build relationships with the good people inside that country so that the good people inside that country can help you get rid of the bad people.

00:20:39.000 What happens if you go out, and so this is Ramadi, Iraq.

00:20:43.000 This is my last deployment to Iraq.

00:20:45.000 There's a bunch of Just totally normal, good people, Iraqi people that are living in the city of Vermont.

00:20:53.000 What do they want to do?

00:20:54.000 You know what they want to do?

00:20:55.000 They want to send their kids to school.

00:20:57.000 They want to run their little market.

00:20:59.000 They want to do whatever they do.

00:21:01.000 That's what they want to do.

00:21:02.000 They have the same goal as a normal family.

00:21:04.000 They're just a normal bunch of people.

00:21:06.000 And inside that group of people, there's a bunch of bad people. 0.86

00:21:09.000 These are insurgents some of our foreign fighters some of them are foreign regime elements from Saddam, but they're bad and they want to create chaos and mayhem so Americans we go in there if we go in there super heavy-handed and while I go to capture or kill one bad guy I Kill or maim a couple of those normal civilians what happens? 0.89

00:21:33.000 Well, a couple of those normal civilians family go, wait, you guys aren't good. 0.99

00:21:37.000 You guys are bad. 0.99

00:21:38.000 You guys just killed my brother and he didn't do anything wrong. 1.00

00:21:42.000 And then we do it again. 0.97

00:21:43.000 And then we do it again.

00:21:44.000 And then we do it again.

00:21:46.000 And each time that we do this, we're creating more animosity from the local populace, who, by the way, like I said, they're just good, normal people.

00:21:55.000 So what we had to do is really focus on going out and building relationships with the local populace.

00:22:04.000 How do we do that?

00:22:05.000 And one of the things, this happened after I left, but you remember the surge that took place and they sent a bunch more troops over there.

00:22:12.000 Part of the reason that they sent that surge and part of the reason that that was allowed to happen was because the Battle of Ramadi, where I fought, went very well.

00:22:20.000 And since it went well, people said, well, maybe we can pull this off.

00:22:24.000 So they sent more troops.

00:22:25.000 And one of the directives that General Petraeus gave He said there can be no more drive-by counterinsurgency and what he meant that by that was when you go to a neighborhood You can't just drive through the neighborhood in your Humvee in your bulletproof Humvee with your windows up drive through show of force and then leave you That doesn't work.

00:22:47.000 What you have to do is stop your vehicles.

00:22:49.000 You have to get out.

00:22:50.000 You have to talk to the local populace.

00:22:52.000 You have to ask them what's going on.

00:22:53.000 You have to ask them if they need anything.

00:22:54.000 You have to build relationships with the local populace, the good local populace that just wants those insurgents out of there.

00:23:02.000 And that's what I don't see happening and the more we Increase this divide between the police and the civilians The worse that's gonna get and so the police have to start doing a better job of outreach of hey Well, you know I asked you if you did a ride-along They should be offering ride-alongs all the time till the total local kids 17 year old kids 15 year old kids.

00:23:25.000 Hey come and see what my job is like come and help me out That 15-year-old kid, he knows who the bad actors are.

00:23:31.000 He knows who the good kids are.

00:23:33.000 You know, bring that kid along on a ride-along.

00:23:35.000 Let him see what it looks like from your angle.

00:23:37.000 Get out.

00:23:38.000 Meet the parents.

00:23:39.000 Meet the families.

00:23:41.000 We're failing to build relationships between the police and the civilians, and that causes these problems.

00:23:50.000 I think you're 100% correct, but I don't hear anybody repeating what you're saying.

00:23:55.000 That's what's terrifying to me.

00:23:57.000 I think everything you're saying is logical.

00:23:59.000 It makes sense.

00:23:59.000 It comes from experience.

00:24:01.000 I don't hear anybody saying this.

00:24:03.000 Yeah, and well, I think maybe it's because people just don't recognize what's happening because they're too in it, right?

00:24:08.000 They're too in it.

00:24:09.000 They're they're wrapped up in it and And that's another part, you know, I talked about recruiting who you recruiting recruit those kids Recruit those kids, but you have to build a relationship with them before you can add before anyone's gonna go into the police and look the I think it's the LA Police Department,

00:24:28.000 if you look at the LA Police Department, compared to the racial makeup of LA, they're pretty equivalent, and they're pretty equivalent on purpose.

00:24:36.000 They do that for a reason.

00:24:38.000 So you gotta get that, you gotta continue to build those relationships so that we talk to one another.

00:24:45.000 You know, we actually communicate with each other.

00:24:48.000 Because anytime, you know, I'm allowed to sit over here in my area, and you're sitting over there in your area, We're building animosity.

00:24:55.000 We build that kind of animosity between each other and now the littlest thing the littlest thing I mean there was a woman that was killed in Minneapolis like two three years ago.

00:25:06.000 Do you remember this one?

00:25:07.000 Yes female like a yoga instructor Called the police the police called the police to report a disturbance police showed up and There's no video no footage.

00:25:17.000 She gets killed by the cops She gets killed by the cops It's insane that these things happen.

00:25:25.000 But we also have to remember...

00:25:28.000 Like I said, what is a police officer thinking about?

00:25:31.000 And what kind of training end would give them?

00:25:33.000 And what kind of psychological screening, to your point, what kind of strike?

00:25:37.000 And it's not just a one-time psychological screening, because guess what?

00:25:40.000 People get burnt out, and it happens at different times to different people.

00:25:44.000 You take 35 guys in combat, I've got some guys at the end of a six-month deployment, you know what they're telling me?

00:25:50.000 Can I stay longer?

00:25:50.000 I'm doing fine.

00:25:51.000 You get one month into that deployment, and you've got other guys that are saying, hey, do you need anyone to head home early?

00:25:58.000 That happens.

00:25:59.000 So you think in a police force of a thousand people or whatever size your police force is, you're gonna have some people that are Steady, mentally stable, they can deal with it.

00:26:08.000 They can be in an officer-involved shooting today, and tomorrow they can go back to their job and be perfectly fine.

00:26:14.000 There's other people, they can never work again after they're in an officer-involved shooting.

00:26:17.000 What kind of investment are we making into this psychological health of police?

00:26:24.000 And look, I hope it doesn't sound like I'm sitting here Just putting it all on the police because everyone is playing a role in this and one of the things that you need to look at as well is how to get arrested, right?

00:26:40.000 There should be a public service course on how you should get arrested This is what you should do if the cops are pulling you over if the cops ask you if the cops approach you about something Here's what you should think one of the things you should think is okay This cop may not be bad.

00:26:57.000 This cop may be looking out for my welfare right now.

00:26:59.000 That's a great hopeful thought.

00:27:01.000 The other thing that you have to think is kind of worst case scenario.

00:27:05.000 This cop might be agitated.

00:27:06.000 This cop might be looking for somebody that fits my description.

00:27:09.000 This cop might have just been in a fight with his wife.

00:27:11.000 He might have just lost a partner.

00:27:12.000 There's a million bad things.

00:27:14.000 Use that scenario in your head.

00:27:17.000 Use that scenario in your head to contemplate how you're going to interact with a police officer.

00:27:22.000 Which is, you know what they're looking at?

00:27:24.000 They're looking at your hands.

00:27:26.000 You know why?

00:27:27.000 Because that's where the threat comes from.

00:27:29.000 The threat comes from your hands.

00:27:30.000 So when you're making quick movement with your hands, don't do that.

00:27:33.000 Listen to what they say.

00:27:34.000 Move slowly when you move.

00:27:37.000 This should be public service.

00:27:38.000 The police should be putting out, hey, if you interact with the police, we hate to have to say this, but since our police sometimes are in bad situations, here's some things we recommend and we highly suggest, and we beg.

00:27:50.000 We beg that you do this.

00:27:52.000 We beg, because what happens to these cops when they kill somebody?

00:27:56.000 What happens to them?

00:27:57.000 Their lives are totally destroyed.

00:27:59.000 Well, that was the thing about that guy in Minneapolis.

00:28:02.000 He'd already killed people.

00:28:04.000 He'd already been involved and I think it's at least two shootings and he had more than a dozen complaints against him.

00:28:12.000 Yeah.

00:28:13.000 Not good.

00:28:14.000 I mean, it's obvious by the end, by the end result.

00:28:16.000 Yeah.

00:28:16.000 That's the type of guy he was.

00:28:18.000 It's pretty obvious by the fact that he was able to do that to a man.

00:28:22.000 The guy's literally calling out to his dead mother.

00:28:26.000 You know?

00:28:27.000 I mean, the type of man that can stay on someone's neck while they're doing that when all that guy did was have a counterfeit $20 bill?

00:28:34.000 That's it?

00:28:37.000 This is where when you talk about psychological screening, and that's why I'm saying it has to be constant.

00:28:45.000 Because people change, right?

00:28:49.000 And red flags.

00:28:50.000 I mean, like you said, hindsight's 20-20.

00:28:53.000 We're looking at this case now.

00:28:54.000 We're going, oh, who the hell lets this guy continue to police?

00:28:57.000 And by the way, interestingly enough, if you talk to internal affairs at police departments, the vast majority of the complaints that they get about police are from police.

00:29:07.000 So they report each other.

00:29:10.000 That's a little known fact.

00:29:11.000 Most of the reports don't come from the civilians out there saying, hey, this happened or that happened.

00:29:16.000 Most of the time it's cops saying, hey, this guy was out of line here.

00:29:20.000 Well, that's a good sign.

00:29:23.000 It doesn't look rosy.

00:29:25.000 When I'm looking at the future, I don't see a way during this climate.

00:29:31.000 What scares me the most...

00:29:34.000 I don't see a way if we don't talk to each other that that's where there's no solution Because you know look for every 10 viral video that you see of a of a cop hitting somebody with a baton or a Rioter throwing something through a window for every 10 of those viral videos.

00:29:52.000 There's another viral video that has You know the guy with the free hugs t-shirt on that's out talking to the cops and saying hey You know I I get it and they're communicating with each other and talking and when you communicate with people It's just like a hostage rescue basic technique you want to humanize you want to humanize instead of dehumanize And right now,

00:30:13.000 we're just dehumanizing each other completely.

00:30:16.000 And that's what scares me more than anything else, is if we can't talk to each other.

00:30:21.000 Because, look, you take the most hardened soldier in war, some badass soldier that's done four deployments, six deployments, whatever, and you put them into a room with a kid and a mom, an Iraqi kid and a mom, or an Afghan kid and a mom,

00:30:36.000 and you put them in that room and say, hey, sit here for 15 minutes and find out what they're about.

00:30:41.000 Here's an interpreter.

00:30:43.000 That guy's gonna come out of there going, yeah, I get where they're coming from.

00:30:47.000 And same thing vice versa.

00:30:48.000 You take a hardened jihadist and you say, hey, talk to this guy over here about what he's trying to do inside your country.

00:30:54.000 Well, just just just talk to him when you open up the communications and are you gonna get some extremists on both ends?

00:31:00.000 Yes, you will so maybe I shouldn't have said the most hardened Soldier and the most hardened because you know what the most hardened soldier becomes a killer Becomes a killer that that happens happens all the time.

00:31:12.000 You know, I I I shouldn't say it happens all the time.

00:31:15.000 It happens from time to time.

00:31:17.000 That's how you get the My Lai Massacre. 0.64

00:31:18.000 It happens.

00:31:19.000 The most hardened jihadists, they're not going to change their mind.

00:31:23.000 They're not going to come to any rose-colored view of America.

00:31:30.000 Barring those total extremes, you've got people.

00:31:33.000 You've got other human beings.

00:31:35.000 And if you can get them to talk to each other, they can find consensus.

00:31:38.000 They can find common ground.

00:31:40.000 But if they're not talking to each other, then we don't make any progress.

00:31:45.000 And to your whole kind of point about what's happening right now, there's less and less communication between people.

00:31:52.000 Open communication.

00:31:53.000 Because if you talk to someone and they say, the cops did this, this, and this.

00:31:59.000 And you say, oh, okay.

00:32:02.000 Explain to me what happened.

00:32:03.000 Tell me what went down.

00:32:04.000 And then you say, hey, let me tell you what it's like for a cop, being a cop, when he sees that, when he sees something going on.

00:32:10.000 You know how many domestic violence cases happened and the person shows up and they're getting assaulted by both parties?

00:32:19.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:20.000 So, maybe that's what this cop was thinking when he showed up and saw your mom in this situation and did this to your dad.

00:32:29.000 Right?

00:32:30.000 Like, this is real conversations, but we don't have them.

00:32:33.000 And not only do we don't have them, it seems like there's forces that are actively trying to prevent us from talking to each other.

00:32:42.000 From sitting down at a table and saying, hey man, tell me what's going on.

00:32:47.000 What forces?

00:32:50.000 Who wants the country to be divided?

00:32:52.000 It's the people that you're talking about earlier.

00:32:54.000 How do they score points?

00:32:56.000 How do I score points with this group?

00:32:58.000 How do I score points with the other group?

00:33:00.000 It's by making everything as divisive as possible.

00:33:04.000 It's horrible to watch, man.

00:33:06.000 It's sickening to watch. 0.99

00:33:08.000 I was reading a whole series of tweets where there's a journalist that was talking about how Cops shooting black men is a real problem. 0.97

00:33:18.000 But another real problem that's not being discussed by this Black Lives Matter group is black-on-black crime.

00:33:25.000 And how do we stop all the murders that are taking place in Chicago?

00:33:29.000 This is something that should be discussed.

00:33:31.000 And this guy was getting attacked.

00:33:34.000 And another journalist was literally tweeting at him saying, you have been told not to discuss this.

00:33:43.000 Yeah.

00:33:56.000 That is also a problem.

00:33:58.000 Diminishes the original issue of this guy getting killed by cops.

00:34:02.000 Which, of course, it doesn't.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:04.000 But the idea is that there's problems.

00:34:07.000 There's real problems.

00:34:09.000 It's not just the cops killing these people.

00:34:13.000 Look, the cop killed this guy in Minneapolis.

00:34:17.000 He didn't do anything in Seattle. 1.00

00:34:18.000 How the fuck did that shit happen in Seattle? 1.00

00:34:20.000 Well, it happened in Seattle because of this reactionary world where one person does something somewhere. 1.00

00:34:26.000 It gets through social media.

00:34:28.000 It gets through the mainstream media.

00:34:31.000 It becomes this huge inflammatory subject.

00:34:35.000 And then the next thing you know, windows are getting smashed.

00:34:38.000 Things are getting lit on fire.

00:34:39.000 Cars are getting turned over.

00:34:41.000 Blocks are getting taken.

00:34:42.000 And that's where we find ourselves.

00:34:47.000 I think it was May 29th.

00:34:50.000 There was a cop killed, I want to say in Texas.

00:34:55.000 He was killed when they rolled into a scene.

00:34:58.000 They got they got a call.

00:34:59.000 Hey suspicious person running through the neighborhood.

00:35:01.000 They roll up on the scene They start a couple a few cops are now searching for this guy and they see a building with an open door They go okay, let's that maybe he's in there.

00:35:14.000 Let's go clear this building with an open door They go in this building with an open door their shots fired one of the cops killed one of the other cops so just Friendly fire, death.

00:35:28.000 That right there, if you take that and you just extrapolate that over how hard it is to be a police officer, that you can be going into a building and you shoot one of your friends because you think they're bad.

00:35:45.000 That is a real problem.

00:35:48.000 That's how hard this job is.

00:35:50.000 My point is that's how hard this job is, but we have to do a better job of explaining that.

00:35:57.000 We have to do a better job of explaining how hard this job is.

00:36:00.000 As far as the, hey, don't talk about black-on-black violence.

00:36:07.000 I was trying, I was talking with my podcast bro, Echo Charles, who's a black guy.

00:36:14.000 And we were talking about that, and I said, you know, I think it might have a little bit to do with this.

00:36:21.000 If you're watching UFC, and there's two guys that are fighting, and The round ends.

00:36:28.000 Like, just at the end of the round, all of a sudden, the referee comes in and, like, punches one of the...

00:36:35.000 Like, just...

00:36:37.000 Muay Thai kicks a guy in the head and knocks him out.

00:36:40.000 Everyone would be completely, utterly outraged about this, right? 0.78

00:36:44.000 Because...

00:36:45.000 Of course.

00:36:46.000 That guy wasn't in the game.

00:36:47.000 What's that guy doing?

00:36:48.000 Right.

00:36:48.000 So I think there's a little bit of that.

00:36:50.000 That's...

00:36:51.000 The referee is supposed to not do that.

00:36:55.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:56.000 And when you see a cop, the thought is, hey, that guy's viewed as a referee.

00:37:02.000 That guy's not supposed to be doing this.

00:37:04.000 So I think that is kind of where some of that outrage comes from, because this is a cop.

00:37:10.000 This isn't supposed to be happening here.

00:37:12.000 This guy is not supposed to be killing people.

00:37:15.000 And he did.

00:37:18.000 It's also that the cop is just a person who has this extraordinary power and extraordinary responsibility, too.

00:37:27.000 What's terrifying to me is that when I'm looking at this idea to defund the police, and then I'm thinking, what do these neighborhoods look like if you wind up doing that?

00:37:38.000 And then how do you get back out of that?

00:37:41.000 What do you do, refund the police?

00:37:43.000 Do you ramp it up and do it better next time?

00:37:46.000 I mean, this is a long process. 0.96

00:37:48.000 You're looking at a lot of trial and error here over, you know, perhaps multiple years before they figure out what they fucked up. 0.69

00:37:56.000 Yeah, and I know there's some city, I think it's in New Jersey, that- Camden.

00:38:01.000 Yes, that completely dismantled their police, but then they rebuilt a new police department.

00:38:06.000 And I actually get that.

00:38:08.000 Like, you could get a department that was so completely and utterly corrupt that you said, you know what, we're getting rid of all of them.

00:38:14.000 Did you ever see Cocaine Cowboys?

00:38:16.000 Great documentary, but one of the things it talks about is the corruption during the cocaine era of the 80s, where the entire graduating police force, from the police academy, the entire graduating year, everyone was either murdered or went to jail for corruption.

00:38:34.000 Everyone.

00:38:35.000 The entire graduating class.

00:38:37.000 That's how bad it was.

00:38:39.000 So, if you have that kind of problem, I get it.

00:38:44.000 You might want to dismantle that police force.

00:38:45.000 You know what happens in the SEAL team sometimes?

00:38:47.000 Sometimes there's a platoon that's so bad.

00:38:49.000 They just dismantled the whole platoon.

00:38:51.000 How often does that happen?

00:38:52.000 Very rarely, but it does happen.

00:38:54.000 Really?

00:38:54.000 Yep.

00:38:54.000 And what causes something like that?

00:38:56.000 Usually they're, well, the problem is bad leadership.

00:38:59.000 It's always bad leadership.

00:39:00.000 Because you can take a bunch of knuckleheads and you give them a good leader and they'll do fine.

00:39:06.000 So it always comes down to the leadership.

00:39:09.000 Sometimes they'll replace a leader, but if the and usually when they replace leader You'll watch the platoon will turn around almost instantly because someone steps in and says all right Here's what we're doing.

00:39:19.000 Here's how we're doing it And they they make that change, but sometimes you have just Like a bad platoon and they say you know what you guys are done It seems incredibly difficult to be a good leader one of them one of the more interesting things about what you're doing with your platform whether it's your podcast or the Instagram videos you put out you're showing what good leadership is and There's not a lot of people when you look at if you get a thousand people

00:39:49.000 How many of those people are going to be a real good leader?

00:39:53.000 Well, this is what's this is what has become my career after the SEAL teams Because I got very very lucky in the SEAL teams very very lucky first of all my whole career was just luck I was the luckiest guy ever in the SEAL teams and I happen to be in the right places at the right times and I got some great experience and In some very tough situations and then the last thing that I did in the SEAL teams for almost the last three years I was in was I ran the training the Tactical training not the training

00:40:23.000 where guys carry boats on their head and carry logs around but I didn't do that I didn't I went through it, but I didn't run that training I ran the training where Everything I was talking about you're running scenarios.

00:40:33.000 You're putting people in bad situations.

00:40:34.000 You're using simunition You're doing all these things so I got to see over and over again Leaders get put into pressure situations and how their leaders responded in that how the team responds to that leader and what these different things wash out how they wash out and what's interesting is and what I really realized when I was in that position is that their Leadership is a skill and you can get better at it now just like fighting just like jujitsu There's

00:41:05.000 certain people that have a natural propensity to be good at you got some let's say someone's really strong, right?

00:41:11.000 They're gonna have an advantage.

00:41:12.000 Let's say someone's super flexible.

00:41:13.000 They're gonna have a little advantage Let's say someone has they're big right these things are advantages in fighting Leadership it's the same thing.

00:41:20.000 Let's say someone is super articulate.

00:41:23.000 That's helpful Let's say someone doesn't have a bad temper.

00:41:27.000 That's very helpful, but everyone is at a different level Well, just like you can take a bunch of different sized and shaped and athletic ability people and you can make them better at fighting You can take a bunch of people with different levels of leadership characteristics and you can improve them and then there are actual Moves there's actual moves that you can do as a leader that are just like a jiu-jitsu move Oh Joe comes to me and he's yelling and screaming at me that he didn't get the I didn't give

00:41:57.000 him two extra people to go on his job Instead of me going hey Joe shut up. 0.95

00:42:01.000 You don't know what you're talking about instead.

00:42:02.000 I actually listen to you, right?

00:42:04.000 I listen you say well Hold on.

00:42:05.000 I didn't know you needed that many people.

00:42:07.000 What do you what do you need them for?

00:42:08.000 So I show a little sense of urgency I kind of reflect what your emotions are so I'm not just Creating a fight between you and me because if you and I are fighting you and I are not finding a solution So I'm gonna reflect a little bit of your emotion and then I'm gonna diminish it a little bit so you and I can have a real conversation so there's moves that you can do and As a leader that function like a jiu-jitsu move and they're very very powerful and the more of them you learn the better off you'll be and You need to practice

00:42:38.000 them.

00:42:39.000 You won't be good at them out of the gate It's gonna take some just like if I showed you an arm lock and you never done jiu-jitsu before You're not gonna be able to just get on the mat and do it to somebody you're gonna have to try it a couple times You have to learn little nuances to the move so there are ways that leaders can get better and yes, there's absolutely Natural leadership qualities that make people just a natural better leader But they even those people can improve so your question of out of a thousand people how many?

00:43:05.000 Really good leaders there are well you have to ask Okay, you just talking about how many people are just naturally born great leaders You're probably your suspicion is correct.

00:43:15.000 It's not a huge amount But how many of those leaders can you improve?

00:43:20.000 Exponentially in their ability to lead and that's what you don't have a company echelon front That's what we do all the time is we go and work with companies.

00:43:27.000 We work with leaders That is exactly what we do and we take Companies of I mean we work with companies that have 150,000 employees and you start getting everyone all the all the leaders aligned and getting the frontline troops understanding where the where the leadership is and what they're thinking and So you can become a much much better leader over time now How much of this do we see in the civilian sector how much even more directly how much of this do we see in the political world

00:43:57.000 the answer is An unbelievably small amount.

00:44:03.000 I mean, it's a ridiculously small amount.

00:44:06.000 It's a ridiculously small amount.

00:44:08.000 Why is that?

00:44:09.000 I bet there's a lot of reasons.

00:44:10.000 First of all, who at this point In the world thinks that that sounds like a great job, right?

00:44:17.000 Hey, I'm gonna go get attacked from all sides.

00:44:20.000 I'm gonna have my personal life picked apart I'm gonna get you know make I'm gonna work really hard and really not I'm gonna pay cap on how much money I make there's all kinds of reasons why becoming a politician is Doesn't look like the best job for most people that would look and say,

00:44:35.000 hey, would I rather be the CEO of a company and make a ton of money and create a huge product and leave a big impact and influence thousands of people that work at my company in a positive way?

00:44:44.000 Or would I rather go and get ridiculed and get broke down and have to try and get my job again in four years or two years or whatever the case may be?

00:44:52.000 That's a tough job, too.

00:44:53.000 And a lot of people say, why would I jump into that game?

00:44:58.000 I know I say that.

00:44:59.000 Why would I jump into that game?

00:45:00.000 Why would I want to go and be a politician right now?

00:45:02.000 Right?

00:45:02.000 It's crazy.

00:45:03.000 Like, for me to want to go into the political world, there would have to be complete and utter chaos in America.

00:45:11.000 I mean, way beyond where we're at right now.

00:45:13.000 Have you thought about this?

00:45:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you what I think.

00:45:17.000 Because people ask me, oh, you should do this, you should do that.

00:45:19.000 I say, um, you know, we're not at a point where we need this.

00:45:24.000 We might be about four days away from it.

00:45:25.000 We could be.

00:45:26.000 I think the answer, you know, let's get Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

00:45:30.000 I agree with you.

00:45:31.000 He's the guy that could really, I think, unify people.

00:45:36.000 And I think he would have to run as an independent, and I recommend he does it right now.

00:45:40.000 Right now.

00:45:41.000 He should be like, yeah, you know what?

00:45:43.000 I'm in.

00:45:44.000 I'm in.

00:45:45.000 I think he would win.

00:45:46.000 I think he would win.

00:45:46.000 I really think he would win as an independent.

00:45:49.000 He's obviously a smart guy.

00:45:52.000 He's super articulate.

00:45:53.000 He listens.

00:45:55.000 You can tell that he listens.

00:45:57.000 I mean, when you see him interact with people, he's very genuine, how he interacts.

00:46:01.000 He's built businesses, right?

00:46:04.000 He's built big, well, really productive businesses that are doing great.

00:46:12.000 I think he'd be great.

00:46:14.000 He's got a fantastic work ethic.

00:46:16.000 He got a fantastic work ethic that he, you know, he built.

00:46:19.000 He came up from nothing, right?

00:46:20.000 He had seven bucks in his pocket.

00:46:21.000 We all know the story.

00:46:22.000 And he has more bucks in his pocket than that now.

00:46:26.000 So, and most important, I think he's just a popular guy.

00:46:31.000 You know, he would get up and when the country's going through hard times, you know, I was talking to a friend on the way up here and They were saying, hey, you know, people want leadership and they're looking for it and they're not hearing it.

00:46:48.000 And a lot of times people don't even recognize the fact that they don't have leadership.

00:46:53.000 You don't even recognize it.

00:46:54.000 It's a leadership vacuum.

00:46:55.000 So they don't even know what they should be Thinking.

00:46:59.000 Let me give you an example.

00:47:01.000 Let's take a SEAL platoon. 0.52

00:47:02.000 SEAL platoon raids a house, there's some explosions, there's some gunfire, and no one's really sure where it's coming from, and no one's really sure what to do.

00:47:10.000 Now that individual, a lot of the individuals in that platoon are just kind of holding on security.

00:47:14.000 They're not really sure what to do.

00:47:17.000 And they're not really even recognizing that there's a leadership vacuum.

00:47:21.000 But then someone comes in, the leader, the platoon chief, the platoon commander comes in and goes, everyone get to the roof right now.

00:47:28.000 Everyone goes, oh cool, now we know what to do.

00:47:30.000 So, same thing happening in America right now.

00:47:33.000 There's no kind of voice saying, hey everyone, this is what I just saw on this video.

00:47:41.000 This is what I just saw.

00:47:42.000 This was a heinous crime.

00:47:43.000 This, obviously, we have some deep-rooted problems that we need to fix.

00:47:48.000 Here's the way I'm gonna move forward.

00:47:50.000 Addressing these problems, getting to the bottom of them, and here's how long the timeline is gonna be.

00:47:56.000 And by the way, my ears are open, and you know where the place, you know where I'm coming right now?

00:48:01.000 I'll be in Minneapolis tomorrow afternoon.

00:48:04.000 That's, you know, like, oh, we got a problem like that?

00:48:07.000 If we have a problem like that, I am going on the ground.

00:48:10.000 I will be there, I'll be there, I guess I'm the president, so I'll be there in, what, two hours?

00:48:15.000 I'll be there on the ground.

00:48:15.000 I'm gonna find out what's going on.

00:48:16.000 I'm gonna meet with people.

00:48:18.000 We're gonna talk.

00:48:19.000 I'm gonna listen.

00:48:20.000 I'm gonna find out what this means.

00:48:22.000 I'm gonna get to the bottom of these problems.

00:48:26.000 Then you can actually speak from a position of, okay, I just spoke to these nine people.

00:48:32.000 Matter of fact, they're coming with me.

00:48:34.000 We're going to come up with a plan.

00:48:35.000 We're going to come up with a plan together.

00:48:38.000 You know, that's another huge leadership.

00:48:39.000 Everyone thinks in the military that the leader's sitting at the top going, all right, gentlemen, here's what we're going to do.

00:48:43.000 We're going to approach this building from the west.

00:48:45.000 We're going to assault the front door.

00:48:46.000 No.

00:48:47.000 That's not the way it works.

00:48:48.000 That's not the way it should work.

00:48:49.000 The way it should work is, I say to you, Joe, I say, hey, Joe, here's the target I want you to go after tonight.

00:48:55.000 Come up with a plan.

00:48:56.000 And you say, okay, cool.

00:48:58.000 And then you, if you're a good leader, you get with your team and say, hey, guys, here's the target we're going after.

00:49:02.000 How do you all think we should do it?

00:49:04.000 And now you all come up with your own plan together and And then you come back to me and say, hey, Jocko, here's how I want to do it.

00:49:10.000 And I say, looks good.

00:49:12.000 And maybe if I've got to make a little adjustment, I say, hey, make this little adjustment here, or maybe use this weapon over here, or whatever.

00:49:17.000 I make little tiny adjustments, but it's still your plan.

00:49:20.000 And from a leadership perspective, that means you and your team are totally bought into the plan.

00:49:27.000 You made it up.

00:49:29.000 As opposed to me coming down and barking orders at you and telling you how we're gonna do it.

00:49:33.000 Doesn't work.

00:49:34.000 I mean, I can force you to do it because I outrank you.

00:49:36.000 No, I order you to do this.

00:49:38.000 That doesn't fly.

00:49:39.000 You know how many times in my entire military career I said, hey, I'm the boss.

00:49:43.000 You better do what I tell you to do.

00:49:44.000 You know how many times I said that?

00:49:46.000 Zero.

00:49:47.000 Zero times.

00:49:50.000 No one thinks like that.

00:49:51.000 So, in a leadership position, what you have to do is say, hey, I'm going to come.

00:49:55.000 I'm going to find out what's going on.

00:49:57.000 I'm going to talk to people, and we're going to put together a plan to figure out how we're going to get this solved.

00:50:01.000 This is not acceptable in America.

00:50:04.000 That sounds fantastic, but what if you're a Republican and they're Democrats and then you get on the ground and you have a mayor that's non-compliant, you have a governor that disagrees with your strategy.

00:50:15.000 They don't want you there in the first place.

00:50:17.000 They want to work it out themselves.

00:50:18.000 They want to defund the police.

00:50:19.000 They're voting unanimously to defund the police.

00:50:22.000 They don't like what you're saying.

00:50:23.000 Cool.

00:50:25.000 Okay, if that's where we're at right now, let's come up with a plan.

00:50:28.000 Let's see how we get through this.

00:50:30.000 Here's some things I'm worried about.

00:50:31.000 Because if you're telling me you want to defund the police because you think that this police department is completely and utterly corrupt, okay, let's explore that.

00:50:40.000 Because you could be right.

00:50:42.000 You could be right.

00:50:43.000 This is where a lot of leaders make a mistake where it becomes an ego thing.

00:50:46.000 Especially like you're talking Republican and Democrat.

00:50:48.000 So that means if I'm a Republican, no Democrat can have a good idea ever.

00:50:52.000 And if I'm a Democrat, no Republican can have a good idea ever.

00:50:55.000 That's completely wrong.

00:50:56.000 That's completely wrong.

00:50:57.000 So even right now, like when you threaten me right now, right now, you're like, hey, what if I tell you I want to defund the police and I tell you I don't want the cops and you tell me all those things as a good leader, you know what I'm gonna say?

00:51:07.000 All right.

00:51:09.000 There must be something really bad going on here, beyond even what I just saw on this video.

00:51:14.000 I'm coming, and I want to hear what's happening, and I want you to tell me what your suggestions are.

00:51:17.000 And if your suggestions are to defund the police, let's explore where that plays out.

00:51:23.000 Let's see where that ends up.

00:51:24.000 Because as we start peeling back the layers, even the most ardent anti-police person, you're going to get to a point where you say, okay, when one of your constituents' house is being broken into, Who are they going to call?

00:51:40.000 What mechanism are we going to put in place for security?

00:51:43.000 How are we going to keep people safe from crime?

00:51:47.000 And then they've got to answer that question.

00:51:48.000 And maybe they come up with a good answer.

00:51:50.000 I don't know yet.

00:51:51.000 But as a leader, you have to listen to other people's ideas.

00:51:55.000 And you absolutely have to do that.

00:51:58.000 There's a saying from Patton, leader on the front line is always right.

00:52:04.000 The leader on the front line is always right.

00:52:07.000 So I've always tried to embrace that theory, not just from a leadership perspective, but even from a human perspective.

00:52:13.000 You know, when you want to tell me something that I don't know about, I'm going to listen to you.

00:52:18.000 I'm actually really going to listen to you.

00:52:21.000 I'm going to try and ask myself, well, Let's see, Joe lives in this city and Joe's here with this community and Joe is telling me right now that we should have no police here.

00:52:33.000 Well, could he be very emotional?

00:52:35.000 Yes, he could.

00:52:35.000 Does that mean I should not listen to anything he says?

00:52:38.000 No, it doesn't.

00:52:39.000 It means I should monitor your emotions and I should take that into account.

00:52:43.000 But I should also be saying there's got to be some core of truth to what he's saying.

00:52:47.000 Now, is it possible that Joe's just a bad actor and just evil?

00:52:51.000 Yes, it is.

00:52:52.000 How do I know that unless I listen to you?

00:52:54.000 Their answer is you don't.

00:52:55.000 You know what I'm hearing right now?

00:52:57.000 Jocko and the Rock 2020. That's what I'm hearing.

00:53:01.000 Come on, son.

00:53:04.000 I think, yeah, well, I really hope it doesn't get to that point.

00:53:09.000 What you're saying all makes fantastic sense, but the problem is everybody is so partisan.

00:53:13.000 It's so difficult to get people to work together, and people are so, they have so much invested in keeping this party divided by these party lines.

00:53:24.000 Keeping the country divided by the right and the left.

00:53:27.000 It's so nuts.

00:53:28.000 It's completely nuts.

00:53:30.000 It's completely nuts.

00:53:32.000 And when you hear the extremists on either side, you should say to yourself, you should say to yourself, they want us to fight.

00:53:40.000 Right?

00:53:40.000 It's like, you know, here, I'll drop dime on myself.

00:53:44.000 I'm a big, like when I was a kid in the SEAL teams, I was an instigator.

00:53:48.000 If I could talk smack to two different people and let them start to get escalating like they wanted to fight, I would do that all day long.

00:53:56.000 Especially once I started training people with Jiu-Jitsu.

00:53:58.000 You know, I'd be the guy that was saying, oh, he thinks he could take you now.

00:54:01.000 Because he trained for two weeks, you haven't been here.

00:54:03.000 And he'd be like, what are you, he said that?

00:54:05.000 You know, I would do that all day long.

00:54:07.000 Escalate.

00:54:08.000 Why did you do that?

00:54:10.000 Because it's fun to watch people fight to the death.

00:54:12.000 That's what I did when I was on Fear Factor.

00:54:15.000 I was always instigating people.

00:54:18.000 It's fun.

00:54:19.000 Yeah, there's some level of fun to it.

00:54:21.000 Yeah, but fighting to the death is a different kind of fun.

00:54:24.000 Yeah, but...

00:54:25.000 When you recognize that when people on the extremes are telling you extreme things, that what they want is to create a divide.

00:54:34.000 That's what they want.

00:54:35.000 So that you just go, you know what?

00:54:37.000 I just can't have that, so I'm voting here.

00:54:39.000 Or I just can't have this, so I'm voting here.

00:54:41.000 It's a nightmare.

00:54:43.000 It is a nightmare.

00:54:44.000 It's a very difficult one to get out of.

00:54:46.000 You need real leadership to get out of it.

00:54:48.000 And that's just absent right now on both sides.

00:54:52.000 Totally absent, and there's no middle ground.

00:54:55.000 No.

00:54:56.000 No, there's no one that says, well, you know, I... You know, I like some of Trump's policies, right?

00:55:04.000 Someone says that, it's like, oh, just destroy that person. 0.98

00:55:06.000 You must be a Nazi. 0.98

00:55:07.000 Yeah, or, you know, I agree with... 0.77

00:55:10.000 Nancy Pelosi on this thing, you must be, you know, a communist.

00:55:14.000 You know, either way, but that's the way, that's where we're at.

00:55:18.000 That's why, unfortunately, well, fortunately, unfortunately, but if The Rock was going to run, I think he would have to run as an independent.

00:55:27.000 Right.

00:55:28.000 To just say, listen, I'm not down.

00:55:30.000 There's some things I agree with over there.

00:55:31.000 There's some things I agree with over there.

00:55:33.000 So you know what I'm doing?

00:55:34.000 I'm going in the middle, which is where most of America is.

00:55:37.000 So if you want to vote extremist, you can go to this side.

00:55:39.000 Other extreme, you can go to this side.

00:55:40.000 Everyone else vote for me.

00:55:42.000 When was the last time someone even won as a governor that was an independent?

00:55:47.000 Was it Jesse Ventura?

00:55:50.000 Possibly.

00:55:50.000 Minnesota.

00:55:51.000 Yeah, possibly.

00:55:52.000 Might have been him.

00:55:55.000 I mean you never even hear about it.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, well there's a whole like money thing that happens, right?

00:55:59.000 There's a whole money thing where if you're not a Republican or Democrat You're not going to get those big coffers full of money to put paid advertising out and get people in the streets to vote for you Yeah, you don't have the machine behind you.

00:56:11.000 You know the DNC behind you or the Republican Party Yeah, it's um, it's a real weird situation we find ourselves in with no clear path to sanity There's no clear path to sanity if we don't talk to each other and right now we're not Yeah,

00:56:29.000 we're not I've seen a you know the people are so Just angry and just angry when you talk to him about this stuff Just anger comes out.

00:56:43.000 It's horrible.

00:56:44.000 It's horrible to watch.

00:56:45.000 I Yeah.

00:56:46.000 What disturbs me is that I don't see...

00:56:49.000 I mean, in the past when there's been disputes or things have been wrong, it seems like there's a clear path to sort of work things out.

00:57:00.000 It doesn't seem like a clear path.

00:57:02.000 It seems like every day it kind of gets a little worse, like people get ramped up even more.

00:57:06.000 And then there's this event that's looming on the horizon, this November event, this election event.

00:57:13.000 And no matter what, whether it's left or right, whether Biden wins or Trump wins, there's going to be madness and chaos.

00:57:22.000 It seems hard for me to understand that Biden could maintain his health through a presidency.

00:57:31.000 That seems very challenging to me.

00:57:33.000 I mean, it seems like he's been going down with his coherence level.

00:57:40.000 You can kind of see it over even months, right?

00:57:42.000 Yeah.

00:57:42.000 He's on a really, really rapid downward spiral.

00:57:45.000 Well, it seems stressful for anybody, except Trump, for whatever fucking reason. 1.00

00:57:52.000 That guy eats it up. 0.98

00:57:53.000 But for most people running for president alone, just the grueling, just the schedule that's involved, and traveling, and doing all these speeches, and It just breaks them down.

00:58:06.000 I mean, one of the reasons why Hillary lost was she just wasn't willing to travel as much. 1.00

00:58:10.000 There was all these different events that she was supposed to go to.

00:58:13.000 She just couldn't go.

00:58:14.000 She couldn't take it anymore.

00:58:15.000 She thought she was gonna win anyway, so she just stayed laid back.

00:58:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:19.000 It definitely is a brutal thing, but it's really also just completely insane that the two candidates are these two people.

00:58:26.000 Well, yeah.

00:58:27.000 First of all, the best the Democrats could do.

00:58:30.000 I mean, they had all these other people that were well-spoken, seemed like young and healthy, and there's so many.

00:58:39.000 That is hard to comprehend.

00:58:41.000 Yeah.

00:58:41.000 Right?

00:58:42.000 Extremely.

00:58:42.000 It's really hard to comprehend that.

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:44.000 That you're looking at this group of, whatever, we've got 350 million people, 320 million people in America, and this is who you end up with? 0.99

00:58:50.000 Yeah, I mean, fucking anybody but Biden. 0.99

00:58:53.000 Anybody. 0.99

00:58:54.000 I mean, we don't even know who his vice president is, right?

00:58:56.000 That's going to make a big deal.

00:58:57.000 That's going to be a big deal.

00:58:58.000 Because the vice president is compelling and interesting, and he says he's going to pick a woman.

00:59:02.000 Whether he picks...

00:59:04.000 The problem is he was going to pick Klobuchar, but Klobuchar was responsible for a lot of those guys skating in Minneapolis.

00:59:12.000 So, well, that's not good.

00:59:14.000 And then if he's going to go with Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard kind of took the legs off of that lady. 1.00

00:59:20.000 So then who's left?

00:59:22.000 Mayor Pete?

00:59:23.000 He seems like a guy who's just, you know, like he's got a playbook.

00:59:27.000 He's kind of like following this Obama playbook, and I just don't feel it from him at all. 0.96

00:59:33.000 At least he's gay. 1.00

00:59:34.000 We'd have a gay guy in office. 1.00

00:59:36.000 That'd lighten people up a little bit. 0.97

00:59:38.000 I believe that. 0.75

00:59:38.000 If we had a powerful gay leader, I think it'd be great for the country. 0.75

00:59:43.000 One of the things about Obama being in office, besides the fact that he's very articulate and educated and just a well-spoken statesman, is that it's like, hey, look, we're making progress. 0.85

00:59:55.000 We have a black president.

00:59:57.000 I felt that. 0.61

00:59:58.000 I felt like a wave across the country.

01:00:00.000 People are like, you can be president in this country.

01:00:04.000 Even if you're born out of a single mother family and you're a black guy, as long as you got the goods, you can make it.

01:00:15.000 This is great.

01:00:16.000 This means we really are living in a meritocracy.

01:00:19.000 And it would be great if there was a gay guy that had the same experience. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Like all the people that are homophobes, like, yeah, but that fucking Mayor Pete, he's got me. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Yeah, I'm not, the Bible says, but you know what? 1.00

01:00:31.000 Fuck the Bible. 1.00

01:00:32.000 I'm voting for that guy. 1.00

01:00:33.000 He's better than Trump.

01:00:34.000 I mean, that would be great.

01:00:35.000 But he's just, I don't think he's the guy.

01:00:37.000 Maybe he's the guy someday, but he's also a young guy, right?

01:00:40.000 So who else? 0.99

01:00:41.000 Who the fuck is there? 0.99

01:00:43.000 Especially since it's gonna be Biden and he said it's gonna be a woman. 0.99

01:00:47.000 He's definitely not gonna go with Tulsi. 0.99

01:00:49.000 She's too fucking dangerous. 1.00

01:00:51.000 The Democrats are scared of her. 1.00

01:00:53.000 She doesn't play games. 1.00

01:00:54.000 Which is so crazy.

01:00:55.000 I know.

01:00:56.000 She's got everything.

01:00:57.000 Everything they want.

01:00:58.000 Woman of color, congresswoman, served overseas, two deployments.

01:01:03.000 She's got everything.

01:01:04.000 She's super articulate.

01:01:06.000 Super articulate.

01:01:07.000 She's level-headed.

01:01:08.000 Super level-headed.

01:01:09.000 Very intelligent.

01:01:10.000 But she's just not corrupt. 0.95

01:01:13.000 She's got this one problem.

01:01:16.000 That's the one problem.

01:01:18.000 I mean, other than that, you look at it like, Jesus Christ, this lady, she's willing to talk to people on the other side.

01:01:25.000 She's a stateswoman. 0.99

01:01:28.000 The way she speaks, she speaks like a leader.

01:01:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:01:32.000 They won't even consider her.

01:01:33.000 She's too dangerous. 1.00

01:01:34.000 So who else is there?

01:01:36.000 I'm going back to DJ, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

01:01:39.000 Yes!

01:01:40.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:01:41.000 Independent.

01:01:42.000 As an independent.

01:01:43.000 Dwayne and Jocko, 2020. Come on, man.

01:01:47.000 We need you.

01:01:49.000 It's very horrible.

01:01:56.000 And when I see all this divide, this is one thing that just...

01:02:04.000 Two have been in the military and have been on the battlefield and fought alongside guys of every background.

01:02:11.000 Every background that you can imagine.

01:02:13.000 White, black, Mexican, whatever.

01:02:16.000 Puerto Rican, Asian.

01:02:19.000 Everyone's out there.

01:02:20.000 Everyone's out there.

01:02:21.000 And by the way, going to memorial services for these guys overseas.

01:02:26.000 There's not one thought in your head.

01:02:28.000 There's not one thought in your head that's thinking oh Underneath the flag on that coffin is that a black guy or is that a white guy?

01:02:35.000 Not one thought in your head is thinking that in any way shape or form all you know is that that person Took a bullet got blown up.

01:02:42.000 That could be me.

01:02:43.000 They took that for me and to come back here and and now see this this this country being ripped apart It's that's the most horrible thing for me.

01:02:57.000 This is something that gets discussed a lot by guys in teams and By different guys in the military period that when you've served overseas with with these guys that racism becomes the the least The least considered thing.

01:03:16.000 It's your brothers because you're literally the consequences of your actions the consequences of your day-to-day existence is so so dire life and death It's the the most drastic consequences that we are aware of there's nothing you're losing your life Or you're not or they save you or they don't your brothers you're all together and But in this world,

01:03:40.000 the consequences are less grave, and the requirements of people are less extreme.

01:03:47.000 You're not as tested.

01:03:49.000 Your character is not as exposed.

01:03:52.000 You're not as vulnerable in that sense.

01:03:56.000 And because of that, I think people are more outraged, and they're finding more reasons why we're separate, more reasons to divide us, more reasons why they're different from us, whether it's because of ideology or skin color.

01:04:11.000 You know, Sam Harris has a podcast where he's discussing all the different things, and he brings up one really great point, a podcast that's out now.

01:04:18.000 He said, could you imagine a world where we think of color the same way we think of hair color?

01:04:26.000 The color of people's skin is the same way.

01:04:28.000 Could you imagine a world where I don't trust redheads? 1.00

01:04:31.000 Those people with dark brown hair are fucking creepy to me. 1.00

01:04:35.000 All the people in my neighborhood that are blonde, they're all shady. 1.00

01:04:39.000 That seems so preposterous.

01:04:41.000 Well, one day, the goal would be so great.

01:04:46.000 If one day, that's how we feel about all skin color, that it's no different than hair color.

01:04:51.000 It's just characteristics that you were born with that you have no control over.

01:04:54.000 Who you are is what's important.

01:04:56.000 That's it.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, and I think that's the position that the military puts you in.

01:05:03.000 It puts you in this position of, look, I got to rely on this guy.

01:05:08.000 I got to rely on this guy, and if they're reliable, I'm down.

01:05:13.000 I'm good.

01:05:14.000 If they're not reliable, I got a problem, and it doesn't matter what color they are.

01:05:18.000 It doesn't matter what they're...

01:05:19.000 It doesn't matter any of that.

01:05:20.000 It's like, is this person going to be there?

01:05:22.000 Is this a good person that's going to be there to back me up?

01:05:24.000 And that's all we care about.

01:05:26.000 And so, for me, this is like super regressive to be going through this, to watch the country go through this and think, how did...

01:05:34.000 Wasn't I just ten years ago like overseas with a bunch of guys and we didn't care about any of this didn't didn't didn't enter into our minds We're not looking at it all the time and I guess part of it is because You got a beer you're in a fight you're in a struggle and and right now let's face it in America There's not a lot of struggling happening.

01:05:57.000 Well, we're kind of making our own struggle right now.

01:05:59.000 Exactly.

01:06:00.000 And I think one of the things you've talked about that's very important is that a lot of this divide is because of this really shitty way of communicating, whether it's through social media or whether it's through reading stories or watching videos.

01:06:13.000 It's a terrible way to not just get in for information, but it's a terrible way to interact with people.

01:06:18.000 The way to interact with people is the way you and I are doing it right now.

01:06:21.000 Just talking to people.

01:06:22.000 And I think the vast majority of problems would be solved amongst reasonable people if they just talked through.

01:06:30.000 They just talked and tried to figure out, you know, hey man, I didn't like that you did this.

01:06:35.000 Well, alright, well, I was thinking when I did this, you're right, here's why I did it, and this is what I was thinking, and I was wrong because of that. 0.94

01:06:43.000 And if people could just say that, and people could accept that, and people could shake hands or hug it out, Rather than have a fucking Twitter beef that leads to a gunfight.

01:06:53.000 I mean literally that's the way we exchange information with each other back and forth through social media is the absolute worst way people can talk. 0.80

01:07:01.000 You're not looking at each other.

01:07:02.000 You don't get any social cues.

01:07:03.000 You don't feel any empathy towards that person.

01:07:05.000 You're not in front of them.

01:07:06.000 You're not there.

01:07:08.000 And you're looking to see how many people agree or disagree, who's liking or disagree, because it's a public thing, right?

01:07:13.000 So how many likes do they get?

01:07:15.000 Their thing got 400 likes.

01:07:16.000 Mine only got 20. Shit! 1.00

01:07:18.000 Am I wrong here? 1.00

01:07:21.000 It's just a terrible way for us.

01:07:24.000 It's a newfound way for us to communicate and a terrible way for us to communicate.

01:07:29.000 We're not designed for it.

01:07:31.000 This is not how we evolved.

01:07:33.000 We evolved to communicate with social cues and to look at each other and be around each other. 1.00

01:07:39.000 You could say something to a person and you're both laughing or you see it written down the same way and you're like, that guy's a fucking asshole. 0.99

01:07:51.000 Even from a leadership perspective, we'll talk about this a lot with, hey, I'll send you an email that says, hey, Joe, can you get this project done next week? 1.00

01:08:03.000 Thanks.

01:08:04.000 And you're in a bad mood when you read that.

01:08:07.000 You're going, who the hell do you think you're telling?

01:08:09.000 But if I was like, hey, Joe, can you get this project done by next week?

01:08:12.000 We really need it.

01:08:12.000 And I'm looking at you and kind of give me a blank stare, and I explain it to you a little bit more, and all of a sudden it turns into a perfectly good conversation.

01:08:17.000 But when I send you that email, or in this case, Tweet right then you you hate me.

01:08:23.000 Yeah, it's like we got management to do right now you gotta When you want something out of someone or you want you want some things to get done You got to manage that person's personality and mood and you got to manage the relationship that you have with each other and you have to be Proactive you have to you'd have to call them.

01:08:41.000 What's up, man.

01:08:41.000 How you doing everything good?

01:08:43.000 You good?

01:08:43.000 Like they have to get a good feeling out of you Yeah, and you gotta say this is I gotta ask you this favor.

01:08:48.000 I need this thing from you and And then you're rolling, and everything's good.

01:08:52.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:08:52.000 If you don't do it that way, then people go, fuck this guy. 1.00

01:08:56.000 Oh, this guy just wants things from me, or this guy's annoying, or, you know, this guy's treating me like a bitch. 1.00

01:09:02.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:09:03.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 The world, through Zoom right now, so, we're doing a lot of Zoom meetings, so my company, Eslon Front, Just the video alone increases your ability to communicate, right?

01:09:16.000 Massively.

01:09:16.000 It doesn't get all the way there, but just being able to look at someone and have a conversation with them, as opposed to either just A, hearing them on the phone, or absolutely.

01:09:24.000 So that idea of, hey, I'm actually going to sit down and talk to you.

01:09:27.000 I'm actually going to sit down.

01:09:28.000 Hey, I'll meet you.

01:09:30.000 We pivoted, obviously, once we used to go into, or we still do, but going into businesses and working with them.

01:09:37.000 Shaking hands.

01:09:38.000 How you doing talking to him and then all of a sudden in three days we were doing everything online Everything hey to meet me on this zoom call and you can get there you can get 97% Effectiveness just by looking at someone and talking to him you know like I said There's a little percentage that you're still not gonna get but if you think you're gonna communicate effectively through social media tweets You're just freaking wrong.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, that's one step below email, right?

01:10:02.000 Social media tweets is one step below email.

01:10:05.000 Email's one step above that.

01:10:07.000 Phone calls is one step above that.

01:10:08.000 Zoom is a step above that, another layer.

01:10:12.000 Person to person's the best.

01:10:13.000 Person to person's the best.

01:10:14.000 That's what we're designed for.

01:10:15.000 Everything else is just... 0.99

01:10:17.000 And that's what's leading to all this fucking madness and chaos. 0.99

01:10:22.000 A lot of it is fueled. 1.00

01:10:23.000 It's weaponized by social media tweets and Yeah, because by the way, when you send me a tweet to be an asshole to me, I actually just retweet that and tell everyone what an asshole you are. 1.00

01:10:36.000 A bunch of people retweet it as well. 1.00

01:10:37.000 It's freaking mayhem.

01:10:39.000 Oh, God.

01:10:40.000 We're not working together.

01:10:42.000 We're not working together, right?

01:10:45.000 That's another thing that COVID did, right?

01:10:47.000 All of a sudden we took everyone and isolated them.

01:10:49.000 You're not seeing them.

01:10:50.000 You're not talking to them.

01:10:52.000 So now everyone is almost strictly communicating by these methods that you're talking about.

01:10:57.000 This is horrible.

01:10:58.000 Horrible for society.

01:10:59.000 Horrible for society.

01:11:01.000 The...

01:11:03.000 The idea of coming to work in a place, the idea of, hey, I'm going to show up and work at a place with other people, that is such a huge part of getting back to where we need to be.

01:11:16.000 When you pull everyone out of work, and even worse, even just beyond COVID, You know, what happens?

01:11:26.000 We've moved all manufacturing overseas, right?

01:11:28.000 So all those people that used to go and work in the same place every day, that used to show up and have a common mission and a common goal, they don't have that anymore.

01:11:36.000 Much of the middle class doesn't have that anymore.

01:11:40.000 They used to have it, they don't have it anymore.

01:11:43.000 And that's, interestingly, China's middle class is growing right now.

01:11:49.000 Why is their middle class growing?

01:11:51.000 Because they're manufacturing.

01:11:52.000 They're making things.

01:11:53.000 They're filling that void of people that have that level of skill set of, hey, you know what?

01:11:58.000 I just got out of high school.

01:11:59.000 I can't afford college.

01:12:00.000 So what am I going to do?

01:12:01.000 Right?

01:12:02.000 Oh, well, in China, well, you can say, okay, well, I guess I'm going to work at a factory.

01:12:06.000 Hey, it's a horrible sweatshirt.

01:12:07.000 It's whatever.

01:12:08.000 They need to improve their Their conditions, but hey, these people have a job, they have a purpose, they're moving in a certain direction.

01:12:17.000 In America, we've kind of, on a massive scale, gotten rid of that class of people's purpose. 0.95

01:12:25.000 And that's a big focus for you, right?

01:12:27.000 Your company origin in particular.

01:12:29.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 Oh.

01:12:29.000 Which, by the way, I got the boots.

01:12:31.000 They're fucking dope. 1.00

01:12:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:32.000 You guys make great shit. 1.00

01:12:33.000 It's like really high quality, really beautifully manufactured stuff. 0.99

01:12:39.000 And there's something very valuable right now about American made.

01:12:43.000 It used to be, it was very divisive.

01:12:45.000 Like if you said American made, like what are you, xenophobic?

01:12:47.000 You don't like foreigners? 1.00

01:12:48.000 What the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99

01:12:49.000 But now you realize like, oh, well with COVID, You know, we were cut off from even getting goods and supplies from other countries, and then we were getting so much of our medical supplies from China, and then we're getting so much of our vaccines and medicine, all these different things manufactured by China. 0.99

01:13:05.000 You're like, hey, why don't we do that here?

01:13:06.000 Well, we used to, but it was cheaper by like a dollar a thing to send it over there.

01:13:12.000 Like, oh, Christ.

01:13:13.000 And people are realizing now there's a great benefit to making things here in America.

01:13:18.000 And it's not just this idea of national pride.

01:13:22.000 National Pride's great, but also like you don't you don't have to go anywhere to get things and you keep jobs here Yeah, and I think Kanye West is looking to build same same thing as we're doing he wants to manufacture stuff in America Why because he knows when you have a bunch of underprivileged kids the best thing you can provide a bunch of underprivileged kids is Jobs Jobs that they can entry-level jobs.

01:13:48.000 I know when I was a kid It was almost like, hey, if you're not careful, you're gonna end up working in the factory, right?

01:13:56.000 That's what's gonna, you know, you can end up working in a factory.

01:13:58.000 No one wanted a factory job.

01:14:00.000 The thing is, so that kind of became a mantra.

01:14:03.000 Oh, you don't want to work in a factory, you better go to college.

01:14:06.000 Well, there's, first of all, factory work has changed.

01:14:09.000 There's jobs that people do in a factory that takes a massive skill set.

01:14:12.000 And the boots, you know, the origin boots.

01:14:16.000 We were probably...

01:14:19.000 A year two years three years from losing the knowledge of how to actually do that and luckily my buddy Pete has started you know Grabbing people that know how to do it and passing that information down to the next generation so we can actually be a self-sufficient country and we can bring back those jobs of people that look that's a that's a Proud way to make a living these are craftsmen like you said these are crafts men and crafts women by the way our factory is

01:14:49.000 mostly filled with women and And they're out there. 1.00

01:14:52.000 They have a skill set.

01:14:53.000 They're learning a skill set.

01:14:54.000 There's upward mobility as you get better at your job, as you can do more things, you can make more money.

01:15:00.000 And by the way, you're making something.

01:15:03.000 You're making something with your hands.

01:15:05.000 You're producing something here in this country.

01:15:08.000 That's just like, well, it's like when you go hunting, when I go hunting, you get something for yourself.

01:15:13.000 There's a certain feeling of being self-sufficient.

01:15:16.000 And America on a large scale, especially during COVID, we look up and say, wait a second, we can't even make that stuff?

01:15:23.000 We don't even know how to make that?

01:15:25.000 That's a nightmare.

01:15:26.000 Well, the boots in particular.

01:15:28.000 Think about it. 0.97

01:15:28.000 If you started from scratch, like if I started from scratch, I don't know shit about how to make a boot. 0.97

01:15:34.000 There's a long learning curve of figuring out how to make an excellent boot that fits right, is well made and durable, like those boots that you guys sell.

01:15:42.000 I was going over.

01:15:44.000 I was looking at this thing. 0.98

01:15:44.000 I'm like, they fucking put some time and effort into this thing. 0.98

01:15:47.000 This is a really well-crafted piece of art. 0.98

01:15:52.000 It's functional artwork.

01:15:55.000 That knowledge because that's not that's not that's not our generation that learned that right we're we're pulling that information from the old shoe dogs up in Maine that are 60 years old 70 years almost you know out of the workforce having to bring them back into the workforce to to Educate the younger generation on how to actually do this.

01:16:16.000 We got a kid up there name is Cameron Oh, he's 22. He's a young kid.

01:16:21.000 And he has learned now how to weave the material for our geese.

01:16:26.000 So he's the guy that knows how to weave material.

01:16:30.000 This is the...

01:16:31.000 Bro, this is so complicated when you see all these different pieces of string coming together, get this big machine with...

01:16:36.000 So he's got like a loom?

01:16:37.000 Yeah, we've got looms up there, but we had to get the knowledge, right, from the old timers that said, okay, let me show you how to do this.

01:16:44.000 And like you just said...

01:16:46.000 How long would it take to figure out a loom on your own?

01:16:49.000 First of all, I think I would fail because I don't think I'd have the patience if I just had this machine to look at.

01:16:55.000 So capturing this knowledge so that we can become a self-sufficient country again, it's got to be paramount in what we're doing.

01:17:04.000 And it's not just...

01:17:06.000 It's not just, hey, because I'm pro-America.

01:17:10.000 Yes, I am, but if we want to get rid of the kind of social unrest that we have right now.

01:17:14.000 Hey, and Ramadi, you got a 15-year-old kid that's putting a roadside bomb in the road.

01:17:19.000 You know why he's doing that?

01:17:21.000 Is he doing it for some big ideology?

01:17:22.000 No, he's not.

01:17:23.000 He's doing it because he's gonna get paid $50 by the insurgents.

01:17:26.000 He wants a job.

01:17:28.000 He wants a life.

01:17:30.000 He wants to make money.

01:17:31.000 What happens in America?

01:17:33.000 What happens with kids in the inner city that are underprivileged when they don't have a job?

01:17:39.000 What are they gonna do?

01:17:40.000 What are they gonna do?

01:17:41.000 They're gonna fall into, oh, maybe I'll sell drugs, maybe I'll commit robberies, whatever I'm gonna do, but they're not doing it by choice in many cases, or if they're doing it by choice, it's because they don't see any other choices to even make.

01:17:53.000 So we've let our manufacturing go away, and now we've got...

01:17:58.000 Voids we've got voids where people don't have an ability to make an income and that's That's that's that's just a complete loss of pride Right if you don't have the ability to earn money to take care of yourself to take care of your family If you don't have that ability,

01:18:15.000 what are you gonna do?

01:18:16.000 You're gonna figure out how to make it happen It's so short-sighted, too.

01:18:19.000 I mean, it was all done for just a small amount of profit per item.

01:18:24.000 A small amount of profit per item, and it cost the country so much.

01:18:29.000 Yeah, and then the...

01:18:33.000 Then the narrative became, we're not able to do it.

01:18:36.000 That's why we don't do it.

01:18:37.000 We're not able to do it.

01:18:39.000 That became the narrative.

01:18:40.000 Well, you know, even the big corporations would say, well, you know, we'd love to make stuff here, but it's impossible.

01:18:45.000 It's impossible. 0.91

01:18:46.000 Well, that's ridiculous. 0.99

01:18:47.000 Completely and totally ridiculous. 0.96

01:18:48.000 It's also like, when you go through Detroit, and you realize that Detroit at one point in time, in the early 20th century, was... 0.88

01:18:55.000 One of the richest countries in the world, or excuse me, one of the richest cities in the world. 0.95

01:18:59.000 You go through it and you realize, this is where they were making all the fucking badass cars.

01:19:04.000 All the amazing American cars of the 60s and the 70s, they were all made right there. 1.00

01:19:09.000 And then they fucked up. 0.87

01:19:12.000 Someone made some decisions to save a little bit of money and make a little bit of money and completely short-sighted, didn't look at the economy as a whole, didn't look at the nation from a position of a patriot, someone who looks at the country as a whole. 1.00

01:19:24.000 What's best for the country?

01:19:26.000 They just said, what is the best way that we can maximize our profit?

01:19:30.000 Well, we need to set up factories in Mexico and China and all these other places we can get people to work for nothing. 0.99

01:19:36.000 You can't buy a fucking cell phone that's made in America. 0.99

01:19:40.000 All the people that design and engineer cell phones for Apple, they're right here. 0.99

01:19:44.000 They're not making them here. 0.97

01:19:46.000 There's not a fucking single cell phone that's made in America. 0.91

01:19:48.000 Try buying one that's made with all American parts, all American labor in America. 0.98

01:19:54.000 What?

01:19:55.000 No such thing.

01:19:56.000 Doesn't exist.

01:19:56.000 And what you're going to be told is, It can't be done.

01:19:59.000 That's hilarious.

01:20:00.000 Cannot be done.

01:20:01.000 That's what's cool about Elon Musk.

01:20:02.000 He's like, oh, watch this.

01:20:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:20:05.000 I'll make cars here.

01:20:06.000 I'll make them awesome.

01:20:07.000 I'll make rocket ships.

01:20:08.000 Whatever the hell else that guy's making. 0.99

01:20:10.000 Fucking tunnels under the earth. 0.99

01:20:12.000 Yeah, we need a couple more of those dudes. 1.00

01:20:14.000 Yeah, it's...

01:20:17.000 It's good that people are opening their eyes, though.

01:20:19.000 It's good that people are realizing because of the pandemic and because of the fact that all goods and services that were being imported on a daily basis were shut down.

01:20:27.000 And also people are terrified of getting things over there.

01:20:30.000 What are you going to spray everything down?

01:20:31.000 Everything's infected.

01:20:33.000 I'm scared.

01:20:33.000 What do I do?

01:20:34.000 But the medicine is the craziest one.

01:20:37.000 The fact that we rely on China for some ungodly percentage of all of our medicine. 0.99

01:20:41.000 Like, holy shit, guys. 0.99

01:20:43.000 Like, is this the right way to do this? 0.99

01:20:44.000 Just for profit?

01:20:45.000 Yeah, it seems like we got a little bit lucky with COVID. Yes.

01:20:50.000 Like, right?

01:20:50.000 A little bit lucky.

01:20:51.000 Because it turned out to be not bad.

01:20:53.000 Did you ever get the antibody test?

01:20:55.000 No. 1.00

01:20:55.000 Fuck, I should have tested you today. 1.00

01:20:57.000 Sorry. 1.00

01:20:58.000 Because you think you might have had it, right?

01:21:00.000 I'm...

01:21:00.000 So...

01:21:01.000 The end of January, right?

01:21:04.000 Right as this thing was kicking off, I did a live tour.

01:21:07.000 I did Austin.

01:21:09.000 Then I did Washington, D.C. Then I did New York City, Seattle, San Francisco, and L.A. Every event shook hands and bro-hugged between 1,000 and 2,000 people.

01:21:24.000 That's what I did at the end of January.

01:21:26.000 I went to the absolute ground zero locations for COVID and just bro-hugged and talked to a bunch of people and shook hands and just got after it.

01:21:37.000 And then I got sick.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, like a week later, something.

01:21:42.000 Two weeks later, I guess it was February.

01:21:45.000 I was sick.

01:21:46.000 And I was like, hmm, gee, I wonder what that is.

01:21:48.000 And then March came around and we started hearing...

01:21:50.000 What kind of sick?

01:21:51.000 The sick.

01:21:53.000 Coughing?

01:21:53.000 It wasn't real bad.

01:21:55.000 It wasn't real bad, but it was, you know, it was bad enough that, you know, I think I might have skipped, like...

01:22:01.000 I'm just gonna stretch today cuz I really feel like crap for a workout type of thing so I didn't get I wasn't down hard I wasn't in and I didn't miss any I didn't miss anything but I felt bad and so I figured that was my that was my COVID experience my wife got sick my son got sick two daughters in college and my young daughter Didn't get sick at all.

01:22:18.000 My 10-year-old daughter didn't get sick at all.

01:22:20.000 Sounds like it.

01:22:22.000 Did you have it or not?

01:22:23.000 No, I didn't. 0.99

01:22:24.000 I'm making a fucking text right now. 0.99

01:22:26.000 I'm going to get a doctor in here in an hour and a half and we're done. 0.99

01:22:29.000 I'm going to make this happen.

01:22:31.000 Because I want to find out.

01:22:33.000 You would be the only guy that's tested positive if you did.

01:22:36.000 No, we had Tim's buddy.

01:22:39.000 What's his name?

01:22:39.000 Ben?

01:22:40.000 He didn't.

01:22:41.000 False positive.

01:22:42.000 Then we tested him again.

01:22:43.000 Yeah, I think it would be...

01:22:45.000 I think it would be crazy if that travel schedule that I had sitting on all those airplanes from and to and from all those different airports in all those airports That's just that's just crazy.

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:56.000 All right.

01:22:57.000 I'm asking right now.

01:22:58.000 Can we get one to three-thirds?

01:23:00.000 I'm gonna make it happen.

01:23:00.000 That was another you know, we're talking about egos The the the scary thing about the whole COVID unraveling was that The leadership wouldn't say, hey, you know what?

01:23:14.000 I actually think I was wrong about this and we're moving in this direction now.

01:23:17.000 Not just leadership, but everyone.

01:23:19.000 Everyone just, hey, no, you know what?

01:23:21.000 I think I was wrong here.

01:23:23.000 Maybe we need to adjust this.

01:23:26.000 So you didn't get to see that.

01:23:27.000 That's a great point because that really was a failure of leadership because it was very clear at some point in time when they found out, when they did the large-scale antibodies test, particularly in California, and they were like, Jesus Christ, hundreds of thousands of people have been exposed to this.

01:23:42.000 This is not what we thought, and the amount of people that are actually sick.

01:23:46.000 Instant result back.

01:23:49.000 COVID inbound.

01:23:50.000 The amount of people that actually tested positive for the antibodies was way higher than they thought it was.

01:23:58.000 And the amount of people that were actually hospitalized was way lower.

01:24:02.000 And then they looked at the average death that people died.

01:24:04.000 It's actually older than the average death that people died.

01:24:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:08.000 My son pointed that out to me. 0.99

01:24:09.000 Yeah, we shut down the fucking economy for that? 0.99

01:24:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:13.000 I guess I was a little bit whatever.

01:24:17.000 I was pretty cavalier through the whole thing.

01:24:20.000 Our buddy, Dr. Pete.

01:24:22.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.000 He was- Peter and Tia was a little nervous.

01:24:25.000 Well, he was way nervous because he was in early, right?

01:24:28.000 And when you saw the early stuff, when you're like, hey, it's one out of every ten people are dying.

01:24:32.000 Right.

01:24:33.000 But even he was making adjustments.

01:24:35.000 He said, wait a second.

01:24:36.000 In Italy, there's different cities.

01:24:37.000 That was, I think, where he started changing his attitude.

01:24:41.000 He said, wait a second.

01:24:42.000 In Italy, there's different cities.

01:24:44.000 And in some cities, they're really compressed together.

01:24:46.000 And people are old people living with young people in the same place.

01:24:48.000 And, oh, wait a second.

01:24:50.000 We need to separate this out.

01:24:52.000 And then it just...

01:24:53.000 Hey, it wasn't as bad.

01:24:54.000 Thank God.

01:24:55.000 Yeah, thank God it wasn't as bad.

01:24:57.000 And my buddy Andrew Schultz had a great point.

01:25:00.000 He said, basically, COVID exposed weaknesses in both business and in people's health.

01:25:06.000 That's what it really did.

01:25:07.000 The lockdown did.

01:25:09.000 Because there was businesses that literally couldn't survive a week without money coming in.

01:25:13.000 Well, that's a badly managed business or a business that has a very small and narrow profit margin.

01:25:19.000 And then there's people that literally can't survive any sort of disruption in their immune system.

01:25:25.000 Their immune system is shattered.

01:25:27.000 One of the things that came out of it that I found out from Dr. Rhonda Patrick was that 70% of America is deficient in vitamin D. 70%.

01:25:35.000 29% is severely deficient to the point where they have medical issues because of a deficiency in vitamin D. Yeah, you gotta get on that.

01:25:44.000 You gotta get on the vitamin D for sure.

01:25:46.000 Gotta get on the vitamin D and the best way to get it is to get out in the sun.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 And that's the one thing you weren't supposed to do.

01:25:51.000 The whole thing is fucking madness. 0.99

01:25:53.000 It was a perfect storm. 1.00

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 It's like when the plague, the Black Plague, they thought it was cats.

01:26:01.000 They thought cats delivered the plague to everyone, so they killed all the cats.

01:26:04.000 But it wasn't the cats.

01:26:05.000 It was the rats and the mice.

01:26:07.000 And so when you killed the cats, guess what happened to the rats and the mice?

01:26:10.000 They went insane.

01:26:11.000 So almost the same kind of thing you see unfolding.

01:26:14.000 And no one's saying, hey, you know what?

01:26:16.000 Actually, we're wrong here.

01:26:17.000 Hey, you know what?

01:26:18.000 And what about the masks?

01:26:20.000 So this was crazy.

01:26:22.000 I got some buddies that texted me.

01:26:24.000 They said, hey, there's this thing coming.

01:26:26.000 You, Origin, you guys should start making masks just to cover your face.

01:26:31.000 And I said, okay, I don't know anything about this stuff.

01:26:33.000 I talked to my buddy Pete.

01:26:35.000 I said, hey, it sounds like we're going to need to make masks.

01:26:37.000 And he says, okay.

01:26:38.000 So we start thinking about, hey, how would we make these things?

01:26:42.000 And then a couple days later, the government, the government, comes out and says, masks don't do anything, don't wear masks, don't get masks.

01:26:49.000 So I talked to Peter, I said, hey man, it looks like we don't need to do it, because it looks like it doesn't help at all.

01:26:55.000 Five days later, they're like, everyone wear a mask at all times.

01:27:00.000 And by the way, we're going to pass laws that require you to wear a mask.

01:27:05.000 I'd call Pete.

01:27:06.000 I'm like, it looks like we need to make masks, you know?

01:27:08.000 And we ended up making a couple hundred thousand masks.

01:27:13.000 And we were sending them to...

01:27:15.000 This is the weird thing.

01:27:16.000 We're sending them to hospitals.

01:27:17.000 We donated thousands of masks to hospitals.

01:27:20.000 And...

01:27:21.000 And then, you know, two weeks later it was like, no, actually they don't do anything.

01:27:24.000 I still don't know.

01:27:26.000 It's hard, the problem is people get shamed.

01:27:30.000 And the World Health Organization came out and basically said the only reason you should be wearing a mask, what is the CDC? Fauci said US government held off promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad that even doctors couldn't get enough.

01:27:45.000 So is he just saying that now?

01:27:46.000 This morning or today.

01:27:48.000 So guess what?

01:27:50.000 We all got lied to.

01:27:53.000 We all got lied to.

01:27:55.000 Held off on promoting face masks because it knew shortages were so bad, even doctors couldn't get enough.

01:28:00.000 Recently, the CDC said the only people that should be wearing masks are people that are treating COVID patients.

01:28:06.000 And that regular people shouldn't be wearing masks.

01:28:09.000 And then the World Health Organization said that asymptomatic people, it's extremely rare that they transmit to other people.

01:28:16.000 So we were worried about asymptomatic people, which is the reason why we kept kids out of school. 1.00

01:28:20.000 And we were worried about overwhelming the hospitals, which is why we did all this other stuff as well.

01:28:24.000 Which is what drove me crazy about my kids' school. 0.99

01:28:26.000 I was like, hey, you fucks, this doesn't even kill the kids. 1.00

01:28:29.000 It's killing, the kids get killed by the flu. 1.00

01:28:33.000 Meanwhile, you don't even scan the teachers or the staff or anybody.

01:28:37.000 People have the flu, they don't want to miss a day of work. 0.97

01:28:39.000 They just fucking show up and give it to everybody. 0.99

01:28:41.000 That's normal. 1.00

01:28:42.000 And kids actually die from the flu.

01:28:44.000 And it's not a small number.

01:28:46.000 It's not a small number of people that die from the flu.

01:28:49.000 Last year was 62,000.

01:28:51.000 I mean, it's not as many as COVID, but then you're hearing two camps.

01:28:55.000 You're hearing one, the COVID deaths are actually underreported because a lot of people die from COVID and they don't even register it.

01:29:02.000 Okay.

01:29:03.000 Boy, I guess it's worse than it is.

01:29:04.000 And then you're hearing, no, no, no.

01:29:05.000 Actually, we're getting incentivized to report deaths as COVID. Elon Musk on the podcast said if you got killed by a shark, but you were COVID positive, they were listed as a COVID death.

01:29:15.000 Obviously, he was being facetious, but not entirely, because there's a lot of people with leukemia that also had COVID listed as a COVID death.

01:29:23.000 Obesity, heart attacks listed as a COVID death because they tested positive for COVID. Cancer.

01:29:31.000 Also had COVID. COVID death.

01:29:33.000 I mean, fuck. 1.00

01:29:34.000 That's really disturbing. 1.00

01:29:36.000 You know, when you hear those statistics, then you see these things that they're saying, and just the lack of trust that you end up with the government.

01:29:42.000 Exactly.

01:29:43.000 When the government is already, people just generally don't really trust the government a lot, right?

01:29:48.000 Right.

01:29:49.000 There's no one that's always thinking the government has always given the straight skinny. 0.99

01:29:52.000 And it goes back to this click-baity bullshit. 0.98

01:29:54.000 My wife pointed out this story yesterday where she's reading about this kid that died, 17-year-old kid, perfectly healthy, it says. 0.99

01:30:02.000 She reads into the article, type 1 diabetes!

01:30:06.000 Type 1 diabetes is not perfectly healthy. 0.98

01:30:09.000 That's really sick and fucking dangerous and you have to take insulin to stay alive. 0.57

01:30:13.000 Yeah, and think you can get complications from, like, oh, everyone's living type 1 diabetes, diabetics can live real normally, and then they can have an instance that causes them to die. 0.98

01:30:22.000 Yeah, they can have their foot removed. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Yeah, there's all sorts of shit that goes wrong when you have diabetes. 0.98

01:30:27.000 Your immune system is severely compromised. 0.97

01:30:30.000 But it's like, our information, it's not pure.

01:30:34.000 We're getting all this muddy thing.

01:30:36.000 And Fauci telling us, the only reason why they told us not to wear a mask is because they knew you didn't have enough. 0.99

01:30:41.000 Like, holy shit! 1.00

01:30:42.000 How many people died because of that, you fuck? 1.00

01:30:45.000 And then the World Health Organization says, actually, no one died because of that. 1.00

01:30:48.000 You don't have to worry about it.

01:30:50.000 You really don't need to wear a mask. 0.99

01:30:51.000 Like, fucking, what is happening? 0.99

01:30:54.000 I think so much of this ego plays so much into this of people not want to admit they're wrong. 0.99

01:31:00.000 Here's another thing that people won't say.

01:31:02.000 I don't know.

01:31:03.000 Right.

01:31:04.000 I don't know.

01:31:05.000 Like as a leader, I've been in situations where I did not know.

01:31:08.000 This is something I tell leaders all the time.

01:31:10.000 I say, listen, tell your people the truth about what's happening.

01:31:12.000 By the way, we're seeing examples where this is factually not happening inside America right now.

01:31:16.000 If you're a leader, tell the people the truth about what's going on.

01:31:19.000 That's what you need to do.

01:31:20.000 And then people come back to me and they say, well, what if...

01:31:24.000 What if I don't know what?

01:31:25.000 What if I don't know the truth?

01:31:27.000 Then what you do is you say hey I don't know the truth.

01:31:30.000 Hey guys, I don't know.

01:31:30.000 I don't know exactly how this is going to play out.

01:31:32.000 These are some contingencies that I'm preparing for.

01:31:35.000 That is so much more acceptable from the troops than when you try and pretend like you know what you're talking about and it turns out you're wrong.

01:31:43.000 Right.

01:31:44.000 I mean, Trump does this so much that people lose track of it, right?

01:31:47.000 Right.

01:31:48.000 Where he thinks something and he just goes out on a limb.

01:31:51.000 He just walks right out on a limb and says, hey, this COVID stuff will be gone in a week.

01:31:55.000 Yeah.

01:31:56.000 And then he just saws off the limb behind his foot.

01:31:59.000 He does that all the time.

01:32:00.000 It's a good example of how not to lead, because then people start to trust you less and less.

01:32:04.000 And then when things like this happen, where you find out that they actually did purposely...

01:32:09.000 Now think if they would have said this, like, oh, we're worried about we don't have enough masks.

01:32:12.000 Then you know what you come out and say?

01:32:14.000 You come out and you say, listen, everyone.

01:32:16.000 We're not 100% sure what the masks do for people, but we do know this.

01:32:21.000 Inside of a medical environment, we have to prioritize getting those people that are absolutely exposed these masks.

01:32:28.000 That is why we are going to put some kind of a control over who's allowed to buy them.

01:32:34.000 You just tell the truth.

01:32:35.000 Well, that was kind of happening at some places, like Amazon was only doing that.

01:32:39.000 They were only selling those, what is it, N95 masks?

01:32:41.000 N95s. 1.00

01:32:42.000 Yeah, they were selling them only to hospital workers.

01:32:44.000 There you go.

01:32:45.000 They were allocating them along with other types of hand sanitizer and a bunch of different things they were selling specifically to them first and first responders.

01:32:56.000 Perfect example.

01:32:57.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 What you don't do is say, hey everyone, don't worry about it.

01:33:00.000 Right. 0.97

01:33:01.000 Right, when Fauci did, but if he's saying that, like, well, hey, fucko, now we can't trust you ever again. 0.94

01:33:08.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:33:10.000 That's the freaking problem. 0.96

01:33:11.000 You're looking at this guy, next time there's some kind of disease, next time there's a problem. 0.98

01:33:15.000 How do we know if we can listen to you or not?

01:33:16.000 There's also a thing he was saying a couple of weeks ago, that if the United States doesn't open up soon, we could face permanent damage.

01:33:24.000 Oh, economic damage?

01:33:25.000 Yeah, permanent economic damage.

01:33:27.000 You think?

01:33:27.000 Yeah, and I'm like, wait, hey, hey, hey, how come you didn't say this before?

01:33:31.000 How come you didn't say, hey, we have to weigh in the pros and the cons here?

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:36.000 You know?

01:33:37.000 You should have...

01:33:38.000 And this is actually something I talked to Peter T about it.

01:33:42.000 I said, hey, it seems like maybe some people should be quarantined and other people shouldn't.

01:33:49.000 And he's like, yeah, absolutely.

01:33:50.000 So, like, my dad, who's an older guy, who's, you know, he's an older guy.

01:33:55.000 Compromised immune system.

01:33:56.000 Guess what?

01:33:57.000 He should be isolated.

01:33:58.000 He should be quarantined.

01:33:59.000 Should my...

01:34:01.000 17 year old son should my 20 year old daughter my 21 20 18 year old my 10 year old Should they be in isolation?

01:34:09.000 Should they be quarantined?

01:34:11.000 Absolutely not.

01:34:12.000 Hey first week two weeks where we're here and it's a 10% Bob We're hearing all these things cool.

01:34:17.000 You can make an you can make an in extremis call You can say hey guys.

01:34:20.000 I don't know what's happening, but in Italy it looks real bad Guess what we're gonna do.

01:34:23.000 We're gonna shut down for two weeks.

01:34:24.000 I'm sorry But this is what we're gonna do and you go at the the nation says ah Okay Okay, we get it.

01:34:31.000 And then two weeks later, you say, you know what?

01:34:34.000 It looks like it really might impact our medical systems.

01:34:39.000 We're going to shut down for another two weeks.

01:34:41.000 Just another two weeks.

01:34:43.000 And everyone goes, you know, I got to pay my mortgage.

01:34:47.000 But okay, two more weeks.

01:34:50.000 Then you got to have the courage and the ability to put your ego in check and say, you know what?

01:34:56.000 Thank you.

01:34:57.000 May not have been necessary.

01:34:59.000 We don't know right now, but it looks like we can start opening back up.

01:35:02.000 Let's rock and roll.

01:35:02.000 The other problem is once they tell you what to do, they don't want to stop having that power and control.

01:35:08.000 Our governor literally said, wear masks because then we can get back some of our freedoms.

01:35:15.000 You're gonna give away freedom?

01:35:16.000 You got that kind of power?

01:35:18.000 Maybe I should run for governor.

01:35:19.000 I didn't know I could control freedoms.

01:35:22.000 You got my vote.

01:35:23.000 Give away freedoms?

01:35:26.000 The businesses surviving, right?

01:35:29.000 You're talking about the businesses surviving.

01:35:30.000 There's a lot of businesses, especially little businesses, right?

01:35:35.000 Little jiu-jitsu schools, little restaurants.

01:35:37.000 You want a restaurant to operate on 50% capacity?

01:35:43.000 Restaurants aren't making this kind of money where they can throw away 50% of their profits.

01:35:48.000 Right, exactly.

01:35:49.000 50% of their capability to make money, because they still got to have that cook. 0.83

01:35:53.000 That cook is there, the dishwasher's there, right?

01:35:56.000 There's your bare minimum.

01:35:57.000 And they got to be there no matter what.

01:35:59.000 If you serve 50 people, great.

01:36:00.000 If you only serve 25, you don't make any money.

01:36:02.000 Yeah.

01:36:03.000 So there's a lot of businesses that run that day-to-day, month-to-month, paycheck-to-paycheck, to try and stay afloat.

01:36:12.000 That's what America does. 1.00

01:36:13.000 And sometimes they're able to creep out of that, and they get ahead, and that's awesome.

01:36:16.000 That's how you end up with these big, powerful companies.

01:36:18.000 Yeah, I've had a couple of restaurant owners in.

01:36:20.000 Adam Perry Lang, who owns APL Steakhouse, and Janet Zuccarino, and Evan Funke, who own...

01:36:29.000 Well, she owns Felix. 0.98

01:36:30.000 Janet owns Felix, and he's the head chef.

01:36:33.000 And they were explaining to me profit margins. 0.99

01:36:36.000 And it's fucking crazy. 0.97

01:36:38.000 You really look at how difficult it is to run a restaurant. 0.99

01:36:44.000 And all the decisions that have to be made.

01:36:46.000 And, you know, food goes bad if you keep it too long and you've got to buy a certain amount of food.

01:36:50.000 You anticipate a certain amount of customers.

01:36:52.000 You've got to know your customers.

01:36:53.000 He was explaining, we know our customers, so I know most of them are not going to order this.

01:36:58.000 So I'm going to have a certain amount of meals that I'm going to have of the fish and more meals of the steak and the pasta is primary.

01:37:05.000 That's what most people are coming here for and like... 1.00

01:37:07.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:37:08.000 And then you tell them, oh, you can only open up at 60% and waitresses have to wear a fucking hazmat suit. 1.00

01:37:14.000 And it's like, god damn, man. 0.99

01:37:17.000 What are they, 10%, 15%, 5% profit margin? 0.99

01:37:20.000 I think they were saying 14% is how they operate.

01:37:25.000 But it's difficult.

01:37:26.000 It's very difficult.

01:37:27.000 And people don't want to spend too much money on meals.

01:37:30.000 And so they...

01:37:31.000 It has to be kind of engineer.

01:37:33.000 Like, how can you do it right?

01:37:36.000 And Janet has had a ton of successful restaurants. 0.96

01:37:39.000 Like, she's a wizard at it.

01:37:40.000 I mean, she's been doing it straight out of college.

01:37:42.000 And her problem was she was in the process of building multiple restaurants. 0.98

01:37:48.000 So all of her money were out, even though she's extremely profitable and very, very successful at all these restaurants.

01:37:55.000 She's building out all these other restaurants at the same time with that money because she knows how to make money. 1.00

01:38:01.000 She knows how to run these businesses, so she's doing it. 0.99

01:38:03.000 So she's got a Jamaican restaurant. 0.99

01:38:05.000 She's got an Italian restaurant. 0.99

01:38:07.000 She's got all these things happening. 0.68

01:38:08.000 And then, boom, the government tells you you have to shut down.

01:38:13.000 Yeah, the profit margin...

01:38:16.000 There's so many...

01:38:17.000 Because we work with all kinds of different businesses.

01:38:19.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 And the profit margin...

01:38:22.000 Many, many businesses is really, really lean.

01:38:26.000 One of my favorite examples is big construction companies.

01:38:30.000 Big construction companies that are doing, you know, $500 million projects or, you know, $700 million bridges and coliseums and stuff.

01:38:38.000 Their profit margin is like 4%. 0.99

01:38:42.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:38:43.000 4%. 1.00

01:38:44.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:38:45.000 5%. 0.99

01:38:45.000 If they do awesome, it's like 6%. 0.99

01:38:47.000 That is so insane.

01:38:49.000 And they're, you know, ordering concrete, and they've got to have it showing up a certain time, and then the rebar wasn't in place.

01:38:55.000 Like, it's crazy.

01:38:56.000 The margin for error is so small.

01:38:59.000 And there's so many businesses that operate like that.

01:39:02.000 And a lot of times, I think some of the people in government, they've never been in business before.

01:39:06.000 Right.

01:39:06.000 And so they don't understand.

01:39:08.000 For them, hey, just operate at 50% capacity inside your restaurant.

01:39:12.000 You'll be fine.

01:39:12.000 That's a very good point.

01:39:13.000 But they've never run a business.

01:39:15.000 I have a jujitsu gym.

01:39:16.000 We got shut down.

01:39:18.000 So now they're telling us, hey, you can allow people back in the gym.

01:39:22.000 They just have to be six feet apart.

01:39:23.000 Well, you can't do jujitsu six feet apart.

01:39:25.000 You can't do Muay Thai six feet apart.

01:39:28.000 So what are we supposed to do now?

01:39:29.000 And by the way, What about, oh, you want us to check people and we want to have this?

01:39:34.000 There's all these protocols that are putting in place to have someone come into the gym.

01:39:37.000 So now we've got to hire extra people.

01:39:39.000 We've got to hire extra cleaning staff because the gym has to shut down for this period of a day and they need to re-clean everything.

01:39:47.000 Obviously, the people that are making these rules have never been in business before.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, telling a person who is running a jujitsu gym that people have to be six feet apart.

01:40:01.000 Jujitsu is zero apart.

01:40:03.000 Zero feet apart.

01:40:04.000 Zero space.

01:40:06.000 That's the whole goal of jujitsu is smash.

01:40:09.000 It's the whole goal. 0.85

01:40:10.000 Take your body and smash someone's body with it. 0.97

01:40:13.000 The whole idea is no space.

01:40:16.000 That literally is the foundation of jujitsu.

01:40:20.000 A pressure applied with no space.

01:40:23.000 And this goes back to the idea of as a leader, Taking the information from the frontline troops and saying how you tell me what's a good way to run this?

01:40:34.000 You tell me you tell me what's a good way to run this and let's see if we can figure out a solution to this problem.

01:40:38.000 Well you would really want to talk to jiu-jitsu gym owners and my suggestion I've never run a jiu-jitsu gym.

01:40:44.000 I've been in a shitload of them.

01:40:45.000 My suggestion would be have people fill out a waiver or So they waive their rights, have people fill out a form that says, I have not tested positive.

01:40:55.000 I've showed no symptoms of illness.

01:40:58.000 I promise that if I do, I will not train and I will get myself tested.

01:41:02.000 Testing is readily available now.

01:41:04.000 You know, for a long time we were getting shamed because we were testing people.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, I was tracking on that. 1.00

01:41:11.000 You can test people too, you fuck, just like you could buy a steak. 1.00

01:41:14.000 It just costs money. 1.00

01:41:16.000 You know, are you mad that people have steak and you can't afford a steak? 0.99

01:41:19.000 Well, you know, there's people, there are different stages of life, you know, in this game called society and capitalism and you start off at square A, you know, everybody starts at a different spot, granted, but I started at the bottom and you figure out a way to get a fucking test! 0.99

01:41:37.000 And if you're in a spot right now in your life where you can't have a test, well, definitely don't go and expose yourself until we know what the fuck it is. 1.00

01:41:43.000 But don't get mad if people can afford tests, you crazy fucks. 0.99

01:41:46.000 And what we're at right now with Jiu Jitsu gyms is you should have a form that you fill out, just like when I was at a restaurant, I went to the Lonesome Dove restaurant, shout out to them, in Austin, Texas. 0.99

01:41:56.000 Fantastic place.

01:41:57.000 They make you fill out a little form.

01:41:59.000 Says, you haven't been tested positive.

01:42:02.000 You're not sick.

01:42:03.000 You're not showing any symptoms.

01:42:04.000 They do a little temperature check, check your forehead.

01:42:07.000 Oh, you're looking good.

01:42:07.000 All right, come on in.

01:42:08.000 Sit down.

01:42:09.000 Did they pack you in or did it keep you...

01:42:10.000 No, they keep you a little bit separated, but that was two weeks ago.

01:42:13.000 And there's another place, Gus's Fried Chicken.

01:42:16.000 Shout out to Gus's. 0.99

01:42:17.000 Best fucking fried chicken on earth in Austin, Texas. 0.99

01:42:20.000 We went there two weeks ago, and you couldn't eat there. 0.99

01:42:23.000 You had to wear a mask in the restaurant, and you had to order takeout.

01:42:27.000 So we got takeout.

01:42:28.000 Then we came back again yesterday. 1.00

01:42:30.000 Yesterday, no fucking mask. 0.99

01:42:32.000 Everybody's in there sitting. 1.00

01:42:34.000 All the seats are packed.

01:42:35.000 They strongly suggest you wear a mask.

01:42:38.000 And no one's listening. 1.00

01:42:39.000 No one wore a fucking mask. 1.00

01:42:40.000 The waiters all wore masks. 0.99

01:42:41.000 But it's like things are getting different.

01:42:44.000 There was another restaurant, Red Ash, that we ate at Saturday night.

01:42:47.000 That place had 75% capacity.

01:42:51.000 And you had to wear a mask until you got to your table.

01:42:54.000 And then you had to wear a mask again if you had to go take a leak.

01:42:57.000 You had to put your mask back on, take a leak, come back.

01:42:59.000 And it doesn't make any sense.

01:43:00.000 It's like there's health department guidelines.

01:43:04.000 They're trying to open up, and they don't want to get sued, and they don't want to get people mad.

01:43:08.000 We're trying to protect everybody, but we don't know how to do it.

01:43:11.000 And it doesn't matter what the science is. 0.98

01:43:13.000 You could show them an article that shows that masks are bullshit, and they're still going to tell you, but you're still going to wear your mask. 0.98

01:43:18.000 Because we're playing a little game here. 0.99

01:43:20.000 We're playing a game called Keep People Safe. 0.97

01:43:22.000 Nobody's saying a goddamn thing about take your vitamins, drink water, stay healthy, workout, get out in the sun. 0.96

01:43:29.000 No, the government never says that. 1.00

01:43:31.000 You don't hear Governor Newsom with his fucking goofy, slick back hair. 0.99

01:43:35.000 He's not telling you to go work out and get in the sun. 1.00

01:43:39.000 I think America can only take so much.

01:43:41.000 And I kind of said this from the beginning.

01:43:43.000 You can keep America in lockdown for a little while, two weeks.

01:43:48.000 For weeks, and then people start saying, you know what?

01:43:50.000 I gotta go out.

01:43:51.000 I gotta go make something happen.

01:43:52.000 I gotta do something.

01:43:54.000 I gotta earn money.

01:43:56.000 And it's the people that are looking around saying, well, I don't really need to earn any money right now.

01:44:01.000 They're the ones that are saying, everyone stay in your house and don't come out and wear a mask.

01:44:05.000 All right, we got a doctor coming at 3.30.

01:44:07.000 I told him, I think I got you a positive this time.

01:44:09.000 He's wanting to get a positive. 1.00

01:44:11.000 He's like, fuck. 1.00

01:44:11.000 Oh, he hasn't got any positives yet? 1.00

01:44:12.000 A bunch of goddamn healthy people in here. 0.98

01:44:14.000 Yeah, I've had, now I've had, I think I've had seven, no, eight tests. 0.99

01:44:20.000 One, two, three, four nose swabs.

01:44:23.000 I've had four, yeah, four nose swabs and four antibody tests I haven't, me personally.

01:44:27.000 I've still come out negative every time.

01:44:30.000 But the other thing that he said, and this doctor is a very smart guy and a young, healthy guy.

01:44:35.000 He said, that doesn't mean you haven't been exposed to it.

01:44:37.000 It means your immune system did its job.

01:44:38.000 Really?

01:44:39.000 This is another thing that people are saying.

01:44:40.000 People are saying, oh, well, you just got lucky.

01:44:42.000 You haven't been around someone who had it.

01:44:43.000 He goes, no, no, no.

01:44:44.000 Many of the people that I tested are positive are in a family where the other people that are also in that family are negative.

01:44:50.000 So they have it. 0.99

01:44:51.000 They've been around these people for fucking weeks. 1.00

01:44:54.000 And they don't get it. 1.00

01:44:55.000 Why?

01:44:55.000 Because they have a better immune system, particularly children.

01:44:57.000 So I guess I'm in a win-win situation.

01:44:59.000 Because if I had it, If I tested positive, it's like, see, no factor.

01:45:05.000 I powered through it.

01:45:05.000 Exactly.

01:45:05.000 You beat it.

01:45:06.000 Now, even if I didn't have it, I'm going to say, hey, see, I beat it.

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:09.000 I'm going to win-win.

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:11.000 I know, depending upon what your results are, I know nine people that have had it now.

01:45:18.000 And out of those people, only one of them had it bad.

01:45:20.000 And that was my friend Michael Yeo.

01:45:22.000 And he got it bad from, it's real easy to track.

01:45:25.000 He flew all the way to New York, no sleep.

01:45:27.000 What was the dates?

01:45:28.000 He was in January.

01:45:29.000 January?

01:45:30.000 Jamie?

01:45:30.000 No.

01:45:31.000 Early February or late January?

01:45:33.000 March.

01:45:34.000 March?

01:45:34.000 The show in New York was March, the very beginning of March.

01:45:38.000 So end of February.

01:45:39.000 End of February, he was here.

01:45:40.000 And then he went.

01:45:41.000 Okay.

01:45:42.000 So he left here.

01:45:44.000 That weekend went to New York.

01:45:45.000 No sleep.

01:45:46.000 Right?

01:45:47.000 Flies to New York.

01:45:47.000 Does radio.

01:45:48.000 Does TV. Does his comedy gigs.

01:45:50.000 No sleep.

01:45:51.000 Does gigs the next day.

01:45:52.000 Same deal. 1.00

01:45:53.000 Does promo, all this shit. 1.00

01:45:54.000 Flies back home. 1.00

01:45:55.000 No sleep.

01:45:56.000 Gets up in the morning.

01:45:57.000 Drives to Vegas with his wife and kids. 1.00

01:46:00.000 The fucking kid screaming in the car. 1.00

01:46:02.000 Drives back home that night. 1.00

01:46:04.000 Hangs out with his wife's family in Vegas and drives back home that and so eight hours in the car just that day Then the next day he's got auditions day after that. 1.00

01:46:11.000 He's got auditions then boom hits the wall and he's fucked He feels like shit. 1.00

01:46:15.000 Yeah, and he felt like shit By the way his mom got it. 1.00

01:46:18.000 She also tested positive beat it in a day How long was he down for he was down for a week? 0.99

01:46:24.000 But he ran himself down, also vitamin D deficient.

01:46:28.000 So all those things.

01:46:29.000 Ran himself down, vitamin D deficient, doesn't take care of himself.

01:46:33.000 But he caught the perfect storm of exhaustion and travel. 0.99

01:46:38.000 Travel fucks you up. 0.98

01:46:40.000 It fucks you up. 0.97

01:46:41.000 Yeah, and leading into this, I've been traveling the whole time my whole life. 0.93

01:46:45.000 Matter of fact, the lockdown is the most consecutive nights I've ever spent with my wife.

01:46:50.000 Since we've been married.

01:46:51.000 And we've been married for 20 years.

01:46:54.000 Most consecutive nights, because I was in the Navy, I was deploying, I was going on trips, and then when I retired, I was working with consulting all over the place.

01:47:01.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:47:01.000 Yeah, so it's been kind of cool, hanging out with my wife, night after night.

01:47:06.000 Alright, these are FDA approved kits too, so we're good.

01:47:09.000 So we're totally good.

01:47:10.000 We're gonna find out for real.

01:47:12.000 Fully legit.

01:47:13.000 Doctors pumped.

01:47:13.000 What do you think?

01:47:14.000 Do you think I've had it or not?

01:47:16.000 What do you think?

01:47:16.000 Yeah, I would say because your kid, your youngest kid didn't get sick and then the other people did get sick, but no one got it badly.

01:47:24.000 And I know your family's very healthy.

01:47:25.000 I know your daughter's a savage, your son's a savage.

01:47:29.000 I would imagine you probably had it.

01:47:31.000 Thinking about all the places you've been, I bet you test positive for the antibodies.

01:47:35.000 I know a few jiu-jitsu guys that have got it, but they all just got coughs.

01:47:39.000 Plus, on top of all this, I'm in my gym.

01:47:42.000 I was in my gym.

01:47:44.000 We have a lot of people that show up at my gym because they just want to train, they want to come check it out.

01:47:49.000 And my gym is big.

01:47:51.000 We've got 2,000 members.

01:47:53.000 It's not just a jiu-jitsu gym.

01:47:56.000 Victory MMA and Fitness in San Diego, California.

01:47:59.000 You know so it's a big gym yeah, and you know every 2,000 members that means they're all interacting with you know three or four other people Outside of the gym if not five or ten people so and they're literally sweating each and mouth complete.

01:48:12.000 Oh, yeah, that's another thing That's another indicator when I got sick my main training partner this guy Andy Andy Burke I trained with all the time he got sick and then his girlfriend got sick who's also a jiu-jitsu fighter MMA fighter she got sick too so Very likely.

01:48:31.000 We'll see.

01:48:31.000 I'm curious.

01:48:32.000 It's hard.

01:48:33.000 When you train hard, you get sick.

01:48:34.000 It's part of the thing, too.

01:48:36.000 When you break down your body and your immune system gets...

01:48:39.000 You know, when you're one of those guys that trains really hard, you do have a tendency to get little colds because your immune system gets tested.

01:48:45.000 Here's something I've noticed.

01:48:46.000 When I have downtime, like let's say this has happened to me a few times.

01:48:50.000 I'm going to Montana and I'm super stoked.

01:48:54.000 I'm gonna go up there and chill, right?

01:48:58.000 Soon as I get up there, I get sick.

01:48:59.000 Really?

01:49:00.000 It's happened to me like maybe three times where I finally have four days or five days where I, you know, don't have anything scheduled.

01:49:08.000 I'm gonna go up there.

01:49:09.000 I'm gonna shoot my bow. 0.74

01:49:10.000 I'm gonna chill and I get up there and it's like my mind switches and all of a sudden I get sick.

01:49:16.000 It's like I saved up Illness to where I know I can be allowed to get sick.

01:49:21.000 Has that ever happened to you?

01:49:23.000 No, but there's a good argument there for like just the way your mind controls your whole system.

01:49:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:30.000 Because your mind is just like pedal to the fucking metal slayer in the background. 1.00

01:49:34.000 Yes. 0.99

01:49:38.000 Everything is go go go and then when it's silence your body's like what have we been up to?

01:49:43.000 I feel like that happens.

01:49:45.000 I was wondering if it ever happened to you because it's happened enough times that I'm talking about it.

01:49:51.000 Well my best example is Cam Haynes. 0.99

01:49:53.000 That motherfucker's never sick and if he's sick he still runs anyway. 0.99

01:49:57.000 He's just got like a little bit of a cough. 0.99

01:49:59.000 But out of all the people that I know, I don't know anybody who's consistently putting in the kind of hours every day that he does. 0.99

01:50:07.000 He runs 16 miles every fucking day. 0.98

01:50:10.000 Sometimes a marathon. 0.99

01:50:12.000 Sometimes a marathon every day while he works eight hours a day, and then he gets home and lifts weights.

01:50:17.000 I mean, it's not like he runs and that's it.

01:50:18.000 And he gets his reps in.

01:50:19.000 Yeah, he gets his reps in with his bow.

01:50:20.000 Every day.

01:50:21.000 And he's lifting.

01:50:22.000 And he's lifting.

01:50:23.000 Every day.

01:50:24.000 Every day.

01:50:24.000 He doesn't take days off.

01:50:26.000 That fucking guy's never sick. 1.00

01:50:28.000 If he's sick, it's like, the next day he's running again. 1.00

01:50:31.000 You look at his Instagram, it's, hey, it's a great day to run. 1.00

01:50:33.000 He's out there fucking... 0.99

01:50:34.000 I think there's something to forcing your body to consistently and constantly perform. 1.00

01:50:39.000 Totally.

01:50:40.000 Yeah.

01:50:40.000 Imagine not.

01:50:42.000 Like Olympics, right?

01:50:44.000 You're in the Olympics for wrestling, let's say, and you've got your whole entire life is on one day.

01:50:52.000 If you get sick, anything bad happens that day, yeah, you're done. 1.00

01:50:57.000 Yeah, those big moments like that are fucked. 0.99

01:50:59.000 You're so stressed out too, so your immune system is super jacked. 0.98

01:51:03.000 But I think there's a thing about peaking for a big event, whether it's a fight or the Olympics or something, versus maintaining consistent conditioning.

01:51:13.000 They're very different things.

01:51:14.000 A good example is Tim Kennedy.

01:51:16.000 Tim Kennedy went through, I believe, two camps in a row.

01:51:20.000 The fight got canceled.

01:51:22.000 Kept training.

01:51:24.000 Went through another full camp, and then when he fought Calvin Gastelum, that guy's never tired, and he was gassing out in the fight.

01:51:31.000 And there's a real good indication from all involved that it was because of overtraining.

01:51:36.000 I know that when I would train fighters, you could absolutely see when they would overtrain.

01:51:42.000 It wasn't a big question.

01:51:43.000 You'd go in, you'd have a fighter that's whatever level at, let's say jujitsu, because I'm training jujitsu with them.

01:51:49.000 And every day, you know, they feel a certain level. 0.98

01:51:53.000 And then one day you come in and you train with them and they just suck. 0.97

01:51:56.000 And I would tell them, hey man, two days off, go eat some steak. 0.88

01:51:59.000 Because you would know 100% that they're overtrained.

01:52:03.000 100%.

01:52:03.000 What do you tell vegans?

01:52:06.000 Yeah, I would tell them definitely eat some steak.

01:52:10.000 You need that steak.

01:52:12.000 Get some steak in you.

01:52:15.000 Yeah, just give them an elk. 1.00

01:52:16.000 Just give them just one good piece of backstrap.

01:52:20.000 Just try.

01:52:21.000 Just trust me. 1.00

01:52:23.000 Just eat it and run through a fucking wall. 0.98

01:52:27.000 Yeah, it's the really weird thing about watching people go through camps through fight camps and you know I really I basically don't train fighters anymore like I used to just because I don't have time anymore But you would you would work so hard to make sure that on that night That they're there, 0.99

01:52:44.000 that they're there.

01:52:45.000 And some people get in the cage and they do better than they would normally do.

01:52:50.000 Some people get in the cage and they don't do as good.

01:52:53.000 And you got, you know, Jeremy Stevens is a great example, because especially when he first came out and started training with me, and he's not with us anymore, but when he first started training with us, like, he was...

01:53:04.000 White belt in jiu-jitsu, but man when he got in the cage he would just elevate man like mentally Psychologically elevate and he would perform way better in the cage and then I've had other fighters that you'd get like they would be kicking people's asses in training and they get in the cage and it's a down step and it's so hard to see that so hard is because sometimes those guys are very committed and they're working hard and They're doing great and they just get in there and it

01:53:34.000 just...

01:53:35.000 It's a psychological thing.

01:53:37.000 Some people are dwarfed by the moment.

01:53:39.000 It's very interesting to see.

01:53:41.000 Some people are also afraid of the embarrassment of losing.

01:53:44.000 That's a big one.

01:53:45.000 And they can't trust the process.

01:53:48.000 They can't just remove themselves and just go out there and fight.

01:53:53.000 Do you follow Muay Thai at all?

01:53:56.000 A little bit, but not to any great extent.

01:53:58.000 There's a guy who George St. Pierre brought into his training camp when he was doing The Ultimate Fighter, Jean-Paul Skarbowski.

01:54:05.000 And he's this French savage Muay Thai fighter who would basically get drunk every night and showed up at training at GSP's camp drunk.

01:54:18.000 He was out all night.

01:54:20.000 He was in Vegas, right?

01:54:21.000 So the Ultimate Fighter's in Vegas.

01:54:23.000 Drinks all night. 0.88

01:54:24.000 Shows up in the day the next day and fucks everybody up. 0.95

01:54:27.000 And they're like, this is so embarrassing. 0.96

01:54:30.000 The guys were devastated.

01:54:31.000 This guy literally came in holding...

01:54:33.000 He's got a cup from one of those to-go cups from one of the Vegas clubs.

01:54:38.000 He showed up in the morning.

01:54:39.000 See if you can find it, because it's kind of hilarious.

01:54:42.000 Looks like a guy who should be driving an Uber, okay?

01:54:44.000 He's not built like a savage. 0.99

01:54:46.000 He's just, his mind is just, he's got the I don't give a fuck, and he's got it down. 0.95

01:54:53.000 And was a, you know, world champion Muay Thai fighter, beat champions at Lumpini Stadium in Thailand, and just an amazing fighter. 0.98

01:55:02.000 You know, you always hear about the comparisons of a black belt in jujitsu versus a white belt, right?

01:55:06.000 Somebody doesn't know anything.

01:55:07.000 And it's real, real obvious.

01:55:08.000 But when you get at a high level of Muay Thai, it's very similar.

01:55:14.000 Maybe not quite as similar because there's always this idea that, well, you know, I at least know if I throw a punch.

01:55:18.000 I at least know as a human how to throw a punch.

01:55:23.000 There's some idea, right?

01:55:24.000 A normal human has no idea of how to do an arm lock.

01:55:28.000 Zero.

01:55:29.000 You at least know, have some concept of how to throw a punch.

01:55:31.000 So there is a puncher's chance.

01:55:33.000 But I remember the first time I sparred with a real Muay Thai guy.

01:55:36.000 I was, I felt like a white belt.

01:55:38.000 I was like, oh, okay.

01:55:39.000 Because I would think about throwing a kick, and I would get, you know, kicked myself. 0.88

01:55:44.000 I would think about it and get kicked.

01:55:46.000 Oh, he knows exactly what I'm going to do, just like a white belt in jiu-jitsu. 0.63

01:55:49.000 You know, you can predict everything that they're going to do.

01:55:51.000 There he is.

01:55:52.000 So he shows up, I mean, look, no six-pack.

01:55:55.000 Yeah.

01:55:56.000 I mean, literally looks like a guy. 0.99

01:55:58.000 If you saw that guy show up, you're like, look at this dad bod motherfucker. 0.99

01:56:02.000 He showed up straight from the club. 1.00

01:56:05.000 I mean, you can kind of tell he's drunk.

01:56:07.000 And he gets in and starts training with these guys.

01:56:10.000 And see if he can get to some actual training footage, because they were humiliated. 0.96

01:56:14.000 I mean, he was ragdolling these dudes and beating the shit out of them and dropping them. 1.00

01:56:18.000 It looks like nothing, but it's the problem, you know, he's a world-class kickboxer, and these guys just really have no idea how to handle his movement and the skills that he has.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, people underestimate.

01:56:37.000 People don't think there's as much of a difference between like a black belt in jujitsu and what would be considered an equivalent, you know, world champion in Muay Thai.

01:56:44.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:44.000 There's a big difference.

01:56:45.000 Step in the ring and see how that works out for you.

01:56:48.000 Jujitsu guys sometimes get cocky about that. 1.00

01:56:50.000 I had a buddy of mine who was taking an MMA fight and he wasn't doing any striking.

01:56:53.000 He was doing very little striking, and he's a really good ground fighter.

01:56:56.000 And I said, do you know how you can toy with a guy on the ground and they really have no chance?

01:57:01.000 He goes, yeah.

01:57:01.000 I go, people could do that to you standing.

01:57:03.000 I go, you have to understand that the fight starts standing.

01:57:06.000 It's not like you start, like it's not EBI rules where you start on a guy's back and you know, you have a really good chance of submitting him if you've got a great rear naked choke.

01:57:13.000 This is not that.

01:57:14.000 This is you start 20 feet away from the guy and you're standing and you know, you have to close that distance and you're not a great wrestler either.

01:57:24.000 Yeah, well, that's the key component, right?

01:57:26.000 Yes, it's a giant factor, right?

01:57:28.000 Because at least if you wrestle, you can go, well, at least I know I have a decent chance of taking him down.

01:57:33.000 Yes.

01:57:33.000 A decent chance.

01:57:34.000 And even that's no guarantee anymore.

01:57:35.000 Well, I go back to Mark Schultz when he fought in the UFC. You know, when Mark Schultz fought in the UFC, he only fought one UFC fight.

01:57:41.000 But that's when we got to see a world champion, Olympic gold medalist, top of the food chain wrestler.

01:57:48.000 You're only on your feet if he wants you to be.

01:57:50.000 Good luck throwing that punch or kick because you have no chance.

01:57:54.000 He's going to close the distance and drag you to the ground unless you have really good takedown defense.

01:57:59.000 Back then, when he fought Big Daddy Goodrich, people didn't really have it.

01:58:03.000 Unless they were wrestlers, they didn't really have good takedown defense.

01:58:06.000 It hadn't really been established as a part of the whole skill set of MMA yet.

01:58:10.000 You basically had what you came in there with.

01:58:12.000 You're a karate guy, that's what you had.

01:58:14.000 You're a Muay Thai guy, that's what you got.

01:58:16.000 You got to hope you land that elbow before that guy clenches with you.

01:58:18.000 And there is an overall strategic advantage to grappling.

01:58:23.000 Yes.

01:58:23.000 Because you can close the distance, and if you're going to punch me, you have to get close enough to make contact with me, which means I can grab ahold of you and get you down.

01:58:31.000 That's why the early UFCs, it was like, oh, you're going to have to get close enough to either punch or kick me, and when you do that, I can grab ahold of you and get you to the ground.

01:58:37.000 Also, the chaos factor, especially in a street fight, the chaos factor.

01:58:41.000 It's like bodies are flying, there's bad timing, the clinches happen.

01:58:45.000 It's not like every, you know, you'll watch the occasional street fight where a guy tees off on some drunk guy and, you know, lands the perfect punch and knocks him out cold.

01:58:54.000 That does happen.

01:58:55.000 But you know what also happens?

01:58:57.000 Melee. 0.98

01:58:58.000 Wild shit misses and then someone clinches and then The worst thing in the world is to fight a grappler who's good at takedowns when you're on the concrete. 0.99

01:59:08.000 That is the absolute worst thing in the world. 0.99

01:59:10.000 You get suplexed on your head on the concrete.

01:59:12.000 I mean, one of the worst things that could ever happen.

01:59:14.000 You're basically getting hit in the head by the world.

01:59:17.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 Well, this is why I, when I talk about, you know, people say, well, what kind of self-defense?

01:59:22.000 You always say jujitsu for self-defense, but, you know, you shouldn't let a street fight go to the ground.

01:59:26.000 Here's how it works out.

01:59:28.000 If you come to me and you want to fight me, and you, like, square off, like, in a boxing stance, I can run away from you.

01:59:34.000 Right?

01:59:35.000 I can just run away.

01:59:36.000 I can just run away.

01:59:37.000 I'm going to get away from you.

01:59:37.000 I don't want to fight you.

01:59:38.000 If you want to kick me, I can run away from you.

01:59:40.000 Like, there's my primary self-defense, is I'm just going to run away from you.

01:59:45.000 When you grab ahold of me, now everything's different.

01:59:47.000 I can't run away anymore.

01:59:48.000 Now I have to actually know how to handle myself in a grappling situation.

01:59:52.000 So, that's why I start with Jiu Jitsu.

01:59:54.000 And look, absolutely, learn boxing, learn Muay Thai, and learn wrestling.

01:59:58.000 Absolutely, no doubt about it.

01:59:59.000 But the very first thing you need to learn is because if you want to fight me, I can run away.

02:00:03.000 If you square off and, you know, you put your dukes up and say, come on, or you push me, good, I'm running away.

02:00:10.000 That's fine.

02:00:10.000 I'll take that.

02:00:11.000 But as soon as you grab ahold of me, now I got a problem because I can't run away.

02:00:15.000 The real problem is the ego where people don't know how to fight and someone puts their dukes up and they decide to see what they can do.

02:00:22.000 They decide in that moment to either fake it or just to like see if they can possibly hit the guy and then they get babinked!

02:00:29.000 Somebody tees off on them.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, I think that's...

02:00:33.000 I think the whole thing with CTE right now, that's why I think the popularity of jiu-jitsu is going to continue because it's a large part of fighting.

02:00:43.000 Same with wrestling. 0.75

02:00:43.000 Grappling in general, I think, is going to continue to get more and more popular because... 0.75

02:00:50.000 Because of CT. Because, you know, as a parent, you're not looking, hey, I really want my kid to be sparring a lot when they're 13, right?

02:00:56.000 No, there's not too many parents that are saying that right now.

02:00:58.000 It's not a good idea.

02:00:59.000 So I think, but you still want your kids to know how to fight, right?

02:01:03.000 So how are we going to do that?

02:01:04.000 Well, we're going to teach them jujitsu and wrestling and let them have that base. 0.95

02:01:07.000 And then if they get older, hey, should they know how to throw punches?

02:01:11.000 Absolutely.

02:01:11.000 Should they get in the boxing ring sometimes and do some Muay Thai matches?

02:01:14.000 Absolutely.

02:01:15.000 You should absolutely do that as a human.

02:01:17.000 But, you know, you can do that when you're 17, maybe 16. You can start getting that stuff in.

02:01:22.000 But the kids' jujitsu, I don't think there's anything else better for them.

02:01:26.000 I completely agree.

02:01:27.000 And I think with martial arts, with striking, it's good to know just to know distance.

02:01:32.000 Just to understand where you're safe and where you're not safe.

02:01:34.000 And understand tells.

02:01:36.000 Understand what's happening when someone does this.

02:01:38.000 When someone does this, and then this is coming.

02:01:41.000 When they do this, this is coming.

02:01:42.000 Like, you should know that.

02:01:43.000 Because some people don't know that.

02:01:45.000 You should know how to protect yourself, how to keep your hands up, how to duck under things.

02:01:50.000 You should know that.

02:01:51.000 You should understand the timing.

02:01:53.000 You should understand distance and timing.

02:01:55.000 Those are important things. 0.99

02:01:56.000 But fucking swinging knuckles with some guy in the street is so goddamn dangerous. 0.99

02:02:01.000 Because first of all, you don't know what he knows. 0.99

02:02:03.000 And everyone's vulnerable.

02:02:04.000 Everyone.

02:02:05.000 Every person that gets punched in the face is vulnerable.

02:02:07.000 And if you just want to have some sort of a kickboxing match with some man on the concrete, Like, I don't advise that.

02:02:14.000 No.

02:02:14.000 I advise clinch and trip.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, I advise get out of there.

02:02:18.000 Yeah, get out of there if you can.

02:02:19.000 That's actually what I advise.

02:02:20.000 Yeah, definitely. 1.00

02:02:21.000 If someone wants to start some shit with you, you're absolutely better off just swallowing your ego and getting the fuck out of Dodge. 1.00

02:02:28.000 That's the warrior kid books. 1.00

02:02:30.000 Teach those kids, hey, there's going to be problems, there's going to be bullies.

02:02:34.000 If you can, you don't need to fight them.

02:02:38.000 Somebody hit me up, you know, because I'm always telling people, train jiu-jitsu, train jiu-jitsu.

02:02:42.000 Had somebody hit me up, you know, I've tried it, but I don't, I want to try it.

02:02:46.000 I tried it a couple times, but I don't like to fight.

02:02:49.000 And I'm like, hey, if you don't like to fight, you more than anyone else should learn jiu-jitsu.

02:02:56.000 Because if you know jujitsu, your chances of having to fight will go down a lot.

02:03:00.000 Just by the way you carry yourself, just by the way you present yourself, the chances of you having to fight go down a lot.

02:03:06.000 Also, with jujitsu, you're involved in real-life struggles.

02:03:11.000 The thing about karate sparring and light sparring is it's not the real chaos that comes with an actual fight, whereas jujitsu is full blast.

02:03:23.000 Someone's trying to get you, so you get used to full blast.

02:03:25.000 You get accustomed to it.

02:03:27.000 You know what to expect.

02:03:29.000 If someone swings for you and you clinch with them, you know what it's like to resist with a 100% non-compliant body. 0.99

02:03:36.000 You know, someone's like, fuck, I'm really trying to get away from you. 0.98

02:03:40.000 It's not like play sparring. 1.00

02:03:42.000 You can go full out.

02:03:44.000 And you know where this brings us right back to.

02:03:47.000 Police officers.

02:03:48.000 Yes.

02:03:49.000 Well, Andrew Yang said it best.

02:03:50.000 He said, I think that every police officer should be a purple belt.

02:03:53.000 Purple belt.

02:03:54.000 That's an incredible statement.

02:03:55.000 It's a good level, right?

02:03:56.000 It's like an attainable level within a couple of years. 1.00

02:03:59.000 But with a couple of years, man, you've got your ass kicked. 1.00

02:04:01.000 You've kicked some ass. 1.00

02:04:03.000 A purple belt is basically a black belt who hasn't done enough time yet. 1.00

02:04:07.000 That's all it is.

02:04:08.000 I mean, once you've got past Blue Belt, like Blue Belt is, I put in the time, I've learned how to do some stuff, and maybe I'll do this. 0.97

02:04:15.000 I might make it.

02:04:16.000 I might make...

02:04:17.000 Purple Belt, like, you basically, everybody who gets a Purple Belt, you want to grab them and go, hang in there. 1.00

02:04:21.000 You are a fucking Black Belt. 1.00

02:04:23.000 What's better to say? 1.00

02:04:24.000 And you're a black belt in jujitsu.

02:04:26.000 You're gonna be a black belt in jujitsu. 1.00

02:04:27.000 Just keep fucking going. 0.99

02:04:29.000 You already have exhibited enough technique that you could actually one day achieve that. 0.99

02:04:35.000 Just keep going.

02:04:35.000 Yeah, the amount of confidence and mental clarity that cops would have if every cop was a purple belt.

02:04:44.000 It would be amazing.

02:04:46.000 Nothing better that we could do.

02:04:49.000 Than to somehow make that happen.

02:04:51.000 Good idea for Andrew Yang.

02:04:54.000 The horrible video of this guy involved with this lady and he's a cop and he's talking to this lady and she's non-compliant and he grabs her and he fucking brute strengths her to the ground and throws her on her stomach and then gets her in a rear naked choke and people are filming this and yelling. 0.54

02:05:12.000 It's a terrible rear naked choke. 0.99

02:05:13.000 You'd tell he sucks. 1.00

02:05:14.000 The whole thing is terrible. 1.00

02:05:15.000 I couldn't imagine a black belt ever handling it that way. 0.99

02:05:18.000 Ever.

02:05:19.000 Ever.

02:05:20.000 First of all, you wouldn't be so threatened by her.

02:05:22.000 She's not physically threatening at all.

02:05:24.000 And you wouldn't want to bully her and show her that you could throw her around like that.

02:05:28.000 It wouldn't happen.

02:05:29.000 It wouldn't happen.

02:05:30.000 Fear, right?

02:05:31.000 That's fear kicking in.

02:05:33.000 And it's fear not only of his ego, but he might be legitimately...

02:05:36.000 When's the last time he put hands on somebody?

02:05:38.000 I mean, if you put hands on people a lot, you know you don't have to do what he did in that situation.

02:05:42.000 I haven't seen the video, but you know you don't have to do that. 1.00

02:05:46.000 I think he's just a pussy. 1.00

02:05:47.000 When I'm looking at the video, I'm like, I just think he just wants to throw his weight around, which is another thing you wouldn't do if you know how to fight. 1.00

02:05:53.000 That's part of why a lot of people act like that is because they really don't know how to fight.

02:05:59.000 And that's really, they really don't know how to do that to a grown man.

02:06:03.000 So when they're doing it to someone who they can do it to because they're just bigger, they do it.

02:06:09.000 They'll force them, they'll impose themselves, they'll be a bully.

02:06:12.000 It's horrible to see, but you wouldn't see a black belt do that to somebody. 1.00

02:06:17.000 The amount of confidence that he has.

02:06:21.000 It's the same thing with kids.

02:06:22.000 I posted something a few months ago, but some bully thing had popped up, and I said, hey, if you want to stop bullying, You know, have kids train jujitsu Muay Thai wrestling boxing.

02:06:34.000 They should have it in school.

02:06:36.000 They should be teaching kids in school.

02:06:37.000 And here's the thing, people thought, I said not only will it prevent them from getting bullied, it will prevent them from bullying.

02:06:45.000 Yes.

02:06:46.000 Which people don't understand, people cannot comprehend What that means, and it's exactly what you just said. 0.97

02:06:51.000 If somebody actually knows how to fight, and you've been humbled, and you've been beat down, and you've been choked, and you know what that feels like, and you know what it means, and you know how that feels, the chances of you, look, you could still be an asshole, but the chances of you becoming a bully are way less. 0.98

02:07:05.000 Way less. 0.96

02:07:05.000 Than if you're insecure and scared and have a, you know, trying to make up for your ego by abusing people. 0.96

02:07:11.000 That's who becomes bullies. 0.99

02:07:13.000 Yes.

02:07:13.000 With kids and with adults.

02:07:16.000 100%.

02:07:16.000 The more you train, the more secure you are, the smaller your ego is, the more you're able to step back and see things clearly.

02:07:23.000 You know, that's one of the horrible things about that.

02:07:25.000 The George Floyd was the other cops.

02:07:28.000 They're not detached from the situation.

02:07:30.000 They're all wound up in it.

02:07:32.000 And jujitsu teaches you and fighting teaches you that if you do that, if you allow yourself to get wrapped up in the stuff, you're gonna make bad decisions. 0.99

02:07:39.000 I think also for kids, a lot of the reasons why they do horrible shit is because they have too much fucking energy. 0.99

02:07:45.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:07:47.000 They're all jacked up with young hormones. 0.96

02:07:49.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:50.000 Testosterone.

02:07:51.000 Testosterone and...

02:07:53.000 And angst.

02:07:55.000 And angst and...

02:07:56.000 Bro, it's kind of fun, right?

02:08:00.000 You know, like, it's kind of fun.

02:08:03.000 Like, there's mayhem going on.

02:08:04.000 Is that the right word? 0.99

02:08:06.000 Am I a jerk for saying that? 0.99

02:08:07.000 I don't know. 0.98

02:08:08.000 When I was a kid, that kind of mayhem, I wanted to be a part of it.

02:08:11.000 You know?

02:08:12.000 And actually, I was talking to one of my L.A. cop buddies, and I was asking him the difference between, like, the 92 riots.

02:08:19.000 What was it, 92 or 93?

02:08:20.000 Ronnie King.

02:08:21.000 Those riots and these riots.

02:08:24.000 Those riots, he was like, those were...

02:08:27.000 The people that kind of instigated and started and perpetuated those riots, those were real, like gangsters, like shot callers, were making those things happen.

02:08:37.000 This one, these riots were, he was like, yeah, these are kids.

02:08:41.000 These are kids that drove down from Riverside.

02:08:44.000 These are kids that, you know, and sure, some of their attitudes was like, hey, there's been, you know, injustices against police.

02:08:50.000 We want to stand up to that.

02:08:52.000 Got it.

02:08:52.000 And then he said, of course, there's a criminal element as well that are legit, normal robbery crews that are saying, oh, cool, we got some good cover right now.

02:09:00.000 Let's get in there and make some, you know, steal some stuff and we probably won't get caught.

02:09:04.000 But that's a big difference.

02:09:06.000 So you do have an element of kids that are like, oh, there's some mayhem going on.

02:09:11.000 There's some mayhem going on.

02:09:13.000 Guess what 17-year-old boys like?

02:09:16.000 They like mayhem.

02:09:17.000 They like mosh pits, right?

02:09:20.000 You love that stuff.

02:09:21.000 That was my childhood.

02:09:23.000 If there was some mayhem, I wanted to find it.

02:09:25.000 And that fuels these things.

02:09:27.000 Normal boy behavior.

02:09:28.000 Normal boy behavior, especially when those boys are getting told, don't.

02:09:31.000 Come on, don't do this.

02:09:32.000 And they're being locked up in houses right now with COVID. They've got freaking steam coming out of their ears.

02:09:38.000 And then all of a sudden the cops are going to stand down while you smash windows and steal shit and everybody can get free sneakers. 0.99

02:09:44.000 Yes! 0.98

02:09:45.000 It had nothing to do with George Floyd.

02:09:46.000 It had so many things to do with so many different steps.

02:09:49.000 So many different factors that have collided together on that one day.

02:09:53.000 Yeah.

02:09:53.000 Yeah, it's...

02:09:55.000 Man, I don't know how this one ends up, man.

02:09:58.000 I don't know how it ends up either. 0.98

02:10:00.000 It ends up with me getting the fuck out of LA. Gone, huh? 0.95

02:10:03.000 Looks like it.

02:10:04.000 Gone.

02:10:05.000 Looks like it.

02:10:06.000 I just don't see the benefit.

02:10:08.000 I want to come back and visit a lot, but it's just not a smart place.

02:10:16.000 It's not partly managed either.

02:10:18.000 I'm rooted here, unfortunately, by the ocean.

02:10:20.000 Yeah.

02:10:21.000 Because I'm an ocean guy.

02:10:22.000 Yeah.

02:10:22.000 And so there's really limited choices in the world.

02:10:26.000 Yeah, it really is.

02:10:27.000 That's a problem.

02:10:29.000 You know, they kind of got me.

02:10:31.000 You're that connected to the ocean.

02:10:33.000 What is it about the ocean that you always post pictures of the sunrise in the ocean?

02:10:40.000 I don't think there's you know going surfing just going just going in the ocean and plus my my life was kind of being in the SEAL teams was always we always Had that it was part of our life, you know part of our life was the ocean growing up in the ocean just There's some,

02:10:58.000 I don't know, you know, I guess for me it's a huge like nature thing, right?

02:11:02.000 You know, people, you should go outside.

02:11:05.000 Go outside and go hike in a mountain, you know?

02:11:08.000 Go to Montana and hike around, see what that feels like.

02:11:11.000 Go to Idaho, check that out.

02:11:14.000 Go to the mountains, go to California mountains.

02:11:16.000 You feel different.

02:11:18.000 You feel different.

02:11:18.000 You feel humbled.

02:11:19.000 You feel small.

02:11:20.000 You feel perspective.

02:11:21.000 So the ocean does that for me.

02:11:24.000 And it's just mind clearing, right?

02:11:26.000 You go out surfing, like your mind is clear.

02:11:28.000 It's kind of like jujitsu.

02:11:29.000 Hey, you got to get out there.

02:11:31.000 You don't even know what you...

02:11:32.000 Sometimes you don't even...

02:11:33.000 You know, you get done with a good role in jujitsu.

02:11:36.000 And you say, well, hey, well...

02:11:39.000 You don't barely even remember it because your mind is just gone. 1.00

02:11:42.000 You're just monkey mind. 0.99

02:11:44.000 Zen. 0.98

02:11:44.000 This total zen state. 0.98

02:11:46.000 Same thing with being in the water for me surfing.

02:11:48.000 Same thing.

02:11:48.000 Like, oh, I'm out here and my mind is just empty.

02:11:51.000 It's monkey mind.

02:11:52.000 And I think that's really good for you.

02:11:54.000 Plus the fact it's humbling.

02:11:56.000 Plus the fact it's healthy.

02:11:57.000 So, yeah, I just have a strong connection to the ocean.

02:12:01.000 I know my son's a real waterman.

02:12:04.000 You know, he's out.

02:12:05.000 He surfs all the time.

02:12:06.000 I'd hate to...

02:12:08.000 Do that to him, and then my little daughter's getting her surfing on. 1.00

02:12:11.000 So, yeah, it's just one of those things, man.

02:12:14.000 Yeah, I get it.

02:12:15.000 There's a reason why I surf towns, like towns that are near the ocean, are chill.

02:12:20.000 You get humbled by that.

02:12:22.000 Like, you take yourself seriously. 1.00

02:12:23.000 Look at that fucking body of water over there, stupid. 1.00

02:12:27.000 You ain't shit. 1.00

02:12:28.000 You know people say well what makes the SEAL team so good in one of the major components is the ocean Because when you've got to do an operation that involves the water it just sucks It just everything about it sucks everything about it sucks You're getting in a you know, 0.99

02:12:43.000 you're parachuting from a plane into the water.

02:12:46.000 It's nighttime You got boat yours freakin parachute like drifting around you got to get your motor started.

02:12:53.000 It's freezing cold Boats flip over then you got to drive that boat to the beach and you got to drive through the surf zone Your weapons are covered with sand you're freezing cold. 0.52

02:13:02.000 It's just everything sucks everything sucks about it So when that's kind of your starting and by the way you haven't even conducted your operation yet You do you haven't even started the operation and you're freezing cold you're tired your radio got flooded out your your night vision goggles are freaking filled with sand everything sucks and And now you've got to conduct your operation.

02:13:21.000 So in order to survive that way on a regular basis, that's one of the things that makes the SEAL teams good is we're used to this one additional component all the time that you always have to deal with.

02:13:33.000 You have to figure that out.

02:13:34.000 You have to be able to gut through it.

02:13:36.000 That's why in basic SEAL trading, they just put you in the water for a long time.

02:13:39.000 They just put you in there. 0.98

02:13:40.000 We have to develop an attitude that embraces the suck. 0.99

02:13:44.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:13:45.000 Yeah.

02:13:46.000 For sure. 0.99

02:13:47.000 You actually enjoy it in some way, some crazy way that you know it sucks.

02:13:51.000 Like that video that I always quote, your video good. 0.66

02:13:54.000 Dude, I listen to that in my head all the time.

02:13:57.000 I've watched the video a ton of times and listened to it.

02:13:59.000 I've played it on this podcast at least four times.

02:14:02.000 But I hear it when I'm training. 0.92

02:14:04.000 Like if I'm running hills and I'm fucking exhausted and there's like another hundred yards to get to the top of that hill... 0.95

02:14:10.000 I hear good. 0.97

02:14:12.000 Good.

02:14:13.000 Good.

02:14:13.000 You're exhausted?

02:14:14.000 It means you're fucking doing it. 0.99

02:14:15.000 Good. 1.00

02:14:16.000 Suck it up. 1.00

02:14:17.000 What's your choice? 1.00

02:14:19.000 What else are you going to think about?

02:14:20.000 Cry. 0.75

02:14:21.000 You know, cry, curl up in a ball.

02:14:23.000 Can't do it.

02:14:24.000 No, it's like, no, actually, good.

02:14:25.000 Bring it.

02:14:26.000 Let's make this happen.

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:27.000 And if you can do that, I also do that in the sauna.

02:14:29.000 When I'm exhausted in the sauna, and it's like 190 degrees, and I'm 19 minutes in, and I'm doing a 30-minute session.

02:14:38.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:38.000 I'm like, good.

02:14:39.000 Good. 0.99

02:14:40.000 It sucks. 0.99

02:14:40.000 It means it's going to have a great effect on your body. 0.99

02:14:43.000 You're going to get that hormetic effect. 0.99

02:14:44.000 This is how you get the heat shock proteins, pussy. 1.00

02:14:46.000 Hang in there. 1.00

02:14:47.000 Good. 0.98

02:14:48.000 If you want to do something that's worthwhile, it's going to suck. 0.93

02:14:53.000 It's just going to suck. 0.78

02:14:54.000 And you might as well just enjoy that part of it. 0.98

02:14:56.000 Yes.

02:14:57.000 Yeah.

02:14:59.000 I mock myself, too.

02:15:00.000 That's the other thing I do.

02:15:01.000 Oh, you make fun of yourself.

02:15:03.000 Oh, all the time.

02:15:03.000 Yeah.

02:15:04.000 I get pissed at that little part of my brain.

02:15:06.000 I'll be like, oh, really?

02:15:07.000 You think I'm going to listen to you?

02:15:08.000 Yeah.

02:15:09.000 Not happening.

02:15:10.000 Not happening.

02:15:11.000 I put these things in the kids' books.

02:15:14.000 You know what I mean?

02:15:15.000 Mm-hmm.

02:15:15.000 Put those things, you know, those kids' books.

02:15:17.000 Like, there's one of the kids' books talks about this hill, horrible hill.

02:15:21.000 You know, like, this is what you're going to face, horrible hill.

02:15:24.000 Mm-hmm.

02:15:24.000 And what are you going to do?

02:15:25.000 You know it's going to suck. 0.97

02:15:28.000 You just got to do it. 0.92

02:15:28.000 Yeah, you just do it. 0.92

02:15:30.000 But the thing is, it always sucks while it's happening. 0.99

02:15:33.000 It's always fucking horrible. 0.99

02:15:35.000 But then when it's over, it feels great that you got through the suck. 0.99

02:15:38.000 And I don't think most people who don't experience suck, they don't experience that feeling of conquering suck. 0.85

02:15:45.000 Yeah, and that's the important thing to try and remember. 0.95

02:15:48.000 So you remember it.

02:15:50.000 I remember it.

02:15:51.000 I remember what that...

02:15:51.000 So even when it's sucking, I'm like, I know how this is going to feel.

02:15:54.000 I know how this plays out.

02:15:55.000 And you know what?

02:15:55.000 Actually, I know other feeling you know is when you don't do it.

02:16:00.000 And the end of the day comes, you're like, dude... 0.99

02:16:02.000 That was pathetic. 0.99

02:16:04.000 You didn't even you know you and that's just the worst feeling that's the feeling that really makes you sick and so Between that carrot and stick carrot being like I know this is gonna be good and stick me I know at the end of the day if I'm putting my head on the pillow and I was a bitch That doesn't feel good. 0.99

02:16:22.000 I don't want none of that. 0.95

02:16:23.000 It's the worst feeling of all time.

02:16:26.000 It's horrible.

02:16:27.000 Being disappointed in yourself.

02:16:28.000 It's also when you're a type of person that wants to achieve and so you're always trying to get things done.

02:16:33.000 You're always trying to push yourself.

02:16:34.000 When you fall short because of cowardice or because it is the worst feeling that or just just failure any kind of failure the reason why you would one of the reasons why I mean, at least I can speak for myself personally.

02:16:49.000 I do things so hard is because I've felt that sting of failure.

02:16:54.000 You need to know what that feels like, especially when you quit.

02:16:58.000 You need to know what quit- Yeah, see?

02:17:00.000 That's it. 1.00

02:17:01.000 You need to know in your own- and you need to hear that, that fucking sting. 1.00

02:17:06.000 Feel that sting. 1.00

02:17:07.000 So that when it comes up again, you're like, not today, bitch. 1.00

02:17:10.000 No. 0.99

02:17:11.000 Not today.

02:17:12.000 I've been here before.

02:17:14.000 Keep going.

02:17:15.000 Keep going.

02:17:16.000 Find a way.

02:17:17.000 But there's something about good.

02:17:19.000 Like, just even saying it, it makes me smile.

02:17:22.000 It really does.

02:17:22.000 It works.

02:17:23.000 It really does work.

02:17:25.000 Because it's an attitude changer.

02:17:26.000 And I use the sauna.

02:17:28.000 Sauna's really easy.

02:17:29.000 It's not that bad. 0.99

02:17:30.000 It's just fucking 30 minutes. 0.99

02:17:31.000 You just deal with it. 1.00

02:17:32.000 But there's something about those last 11 minutes that you can get in your head like, fuck, let me really get... 0.98

02:17:39.000 Probably get the good effects if I just leave now. 0.99

02:17:41.000 There's like all these little mind games you play, but if you just say good, does it suck? 0.93

02:17:45.000 Good. 0.85

02:17:46.000 I start smiling.

02:17:47.000 You can rationalize a lot of that.

02:17:49.000 You can start rationalizing of why.

02:17:51.000 Well, you know, these last four minutes won't really make that big of a difference.

02:17:53.000 Shift in perception and I always noticed that from listening to music when I run like There's something about listening to a great fucking song when a great song kicks on when you're running like if I'm running in Ted Nugent stranglehold comes on You know there's something about stranglehold because it also has like a double meaning,

02:18:12.000 right? 0.88

02:18:12.000 It's jujitsu So when you hear that, here I come again now, baby! 0.88

02:18:18.000 I can run!

02:18:19.000 I can run!

02:18:20.000 I can get extra energy. 0.99

02:18:21.000 I'm like, where the fuck is that energy coming from? 0.99

02:18:24.000 Well, it's coming from my mind, right? 0.99

02:18:25.000 The music stimulates my mind, it kicks in those endorphins, and then all of a sudden I got an extra gear. 0.99

02:18:31.000 Well, how come I can't just conjure up that fucking extra gear? 0.98

02:18:35.000 I think you can. 0.99

02:18:37.000 You can.

02:18:37.000 You gotta figure out how to do that all the time.

02:18:39.000 Yeah, that always is horrible to see in a fight when a guy, either he loses a fight, and after he loses the fight, he's raging, he's all mad, but he was just gassed.

02:18:48.000 Right.

02:18:49.000 He was just gassed.

02:18:50.000 Right.

02:18:50.000 Where was that?

02:18:51.000 Where was it?

02:18:52.000 Where was that right there two and a half minutes ago?

02:18:55.000 Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's just overcoming anxiety for fighters. 1.00

02:18:58.000 Sometimes it's just when it's over and the plug is pulled, it's over, and they're like, fuck! 0.99

02:19:04.000 And then they're angry and raging because they realize they failed. 0.99

02:19:07.000 They didn't manage their energy correctly.

02:19:09.000 They didn't manage their mind, their anxiety.

02:19:11.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:19:12.000 The same feeling of fucking loser. 1.00

02:19:14.000 Fucking loser. 1.00

02:19:17.000 I'm so hard on myself, man. 1.00

02:19:19.000 Everything I've ever done wrong.

02:19:21.000 Everything I've ever said wrong.

02:19:22.000 Just everything. 1.00

02:19:25.000 I'll be in the middle of working out sometimes and I'll think about it and go, fuck! 0.99

02:19:29.000 But that is also that hard on myself. 0.99

02:19:33.000 That's what makes you work.

02:19:33.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 And that keeps you going.

02:19:36.000 That makes you achieve.

02:19:37.000 It's like people think that it's easy to just kind of go out there and get things done, but it's not.

02:19:43.000 That's why most people don't do it.

02:19:45.000 Yeah, you know, so I don't sleep a lot, right?

02:19:48.000 And sometimes people are like, and look, I'm not saying you shouldn't sleep a lot.

02:19:51.000 Everyone should sleep as much as they can.

02:19:53.000 I don't sleep a lot.

02:19:53.000 People are like, hey, no, why don't you sleep more?

02:19:55.000 And I'm like, Bro, I wish I could.

02:19:59.000 I wish there wasn't this little thing in the back of my head going, hey, hey, you know, you're actually, you could be doing a lot more right now.

02:20:05.000 What about this?

02:20:06.000 What about that?

02:20:07.000 What about the other thing?

02:20:08.000 Like, that's what's going on in my head.

02:20:09.000 There's not something that's going, gee, I have to get up.

02:20:13.000 Like, no, there's a thing in there going, you better get up.

02:20:16.000 They're tracking on you.

02:20:17.000 They're watching you.

02:20:19.000 You better get up.

02:20:20.000 It's happening.

02:20:21.000 There's a bad guy out there.

02:20:22.000 He's training harder.

02:20:24.000 Like, that's what's in my head.

02:20:25.000 It's not in my head like, oh, no.

02:20:28.000 Hey, please, let the freaking powers of the world allow me to go into bed at night and just pass out and be like, oh, I'm good.

02:20:37.000 I'm satisfied with my life right now. 0.93

02:20:39.000 I wish I could feel that for freaking eight hours a night.

02:20:43.000 It ain't there.

02:20:44.000 It ain't there.

02:20:46.000 It's like, oh, people talk about staying hungry. 0.98

02:20:47.000 I'm fucking starving. 0.99

02:20:49.000 I'm starving. 0.99

02:20:53.000 All the time.

02:20:55.000 All the time.

02:20:56.000 Like, stay hungry.

02:20:57.000 Yeah, you have to, like, ah.

02:21:00.000 Yeah.

02:21:01.000 I know.

02:21:02.000 It never ends.

02:21:03.000 It doesn't end.

02:21:04.000 That's the thing.

02:21:05.000 And as soon as I get somewhere, as soon as I get somewhere, I'm like, um.

02:21:10.000 Where else?

02:21:11.000 I need to go.

02:21:12.000 I need to go somewhere else.

02:21:12.000 Yeah, now I'm worried about getting soft.

02:21:14.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, always.

02:21:16.000 No matter what I've ever done, I'm always like, well, one day there'll be a thing where I'll become satisfied and calm.

02:21:22.000 No. 0.99

02:21:22.000 With everything that's good that comes, now there's an equal fear of becoming a pussy. 0.99

02:21:28.000 There's a fear of now becoming lazy and becoming like second-rate and just like, God damn it! 1.00

02:21:35.000 There's no end! 0.97

02:21:36.000 So now I don't even think there's an end.

02:21:38.000 No, there's definitely not an end.

02:21:40.000 That's what's funny about shooting the bow, right?

02:21:44.000 What I find funny about shooting the bow is Anger, aggression, really doesn't help you.

02:21:51.000 At all.

02:21:52.000 At all.

02:21:52.000 You know what?

02:21:53.000 It fucks you up hunting. 0.96

02:21:54.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 1.00

02:21:55.000 Because anger and aggression is all fast twitch shit, too. 0.99

02:21:58.000 It's all movement. 1.00

02:21:59.000 Whereas the bow is like, you gotta have the mind of no mind.

02:22:03.000 You gotta just execute and just stay completely focused on the task.

02:22:08.000 Totally detached from what's happening.

02:22:10.000 And you just gotta sit there and...

02:22:12.000 It's a new skill, really.

02:22:13.000 Oh, it's a totally new skill.

02:22:14.000 And for me, like, the competition that I experienced, the only competition I had other than inside the gym, you know, training partners, is fighting, and that's all fast stuff.

02:22:25.000 It's all, like, explosions and movement.

02:22:27.000 So anytime where there's danger and anxiety and fear, your body's geared up to go quick and move quick.

02:22:34.000 But with Hunting, it's the opposite.

02:22:37.000 When you're drawing back on an animal, all that anxiety, like, you better get that quick out of your head.

02:22:42.000 There's no quick.

02:22:43.000 There's execute and calmness.

02:22:45.000 Stay in the zone.

02:22:46.000 Nothing exists other than the process of executing the perfect shot.

02:22:51.000 It's the same thing with shooting.

02:22:52.000 You know, you have, you draw fast, you move fast, you draw fast, and then as soon as you punch out that weapon, you gotta go, boom.

02:22:59.000 And like, you just gotta let that thing go.

02:23:01.000 Yes.

02:23:01.000 Used to see guys, myself included, like, you ever shot headplates before?

02:23:05.000 Yes.

02:23:06.000 And you know, there's six headplates.

02:23:08.000 You'd see me or someone else, they miss one, and if they don't let that go, then everything falls apart.

02:23:15.000 The wheels fall off.

02:23:16.000 If they miss one, and then they try and shoot, usually I would just miss one and just keep shooting, like it didn't even happen, and maybe go back and get it, or you kind of have to go back and get it.

02:23:24.000 But...

02:23:25.000 If you go, how did I miss that?

02:23:28.000 It's just a total and complete and utter disaster.

02:23:31.000 There's a great video that Tim Kennedy put off of him shooting on the range.

02:23:34.000 And, you know, he puts dummy rounds in with his regular rounds.

02:23:37.000 And he hits the dummy round and click.

02:23:39.000 And he's like, look at that trigger control!

02:23:42.000 Triggered discipline because like there was no flinch.

02:23:44.000 There's no nothing.

02:23:45.000 It was just click.

02:23:46.000 There's no movement.

02:23:47.000 It was perfect.

02:23:48.000 You know, which is what you're trying to achieve.

02:23:49.000 Which is what you're trying to achieve.

02:23:50.000 You're trying, you know, the last thing you want to see is click.

02:23:52.000 Ah! 1.00

02:23:53.000 You little some weird fucking... 1.00

02:23:54.000 I remember when I first started shooting rifles. 0.99

02:23:57.000 Like, uh, that's what I would, I would experience that thing where you're anticipating the right, you know, 30, uh, uh, um, um, um, Win Mag, 300 Win Mag.

02:24:07.000 So it's got a lot of kick to it.

02:24:09.000 You know, it's a boom!

02:24:10.000 It's like a loud, loud kicking gun.

02:24:12.000 So there was no round in the chamber.

02:24:15.000 And I pulled it and I saw myself doing it. 1.00

02:24:18.000 I'm like, you bitch. 1.00

02:24:19.000 Like, you better learn how to stop doing that. 1.00

02:24:21.000 One thing that's interesting is learning how to shoot a bow radically increased my accuracy with a rifle.

02:24:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:28.000 Radically!

02:24:29.000 Yeah.

02:24:29.000 Because it's so still.

02:24:31.000 There's so much stillness.

02:24:33.000 And everything's freehand.

02:24:34.000 Right?

02:24:34.000 You're very rarely shooting a rifle at an animal freehand, usually trying to find a rest.

02:24:38.000 Unless it's like inside of, you know, 60, 70 yards, you're probably going to try to rest.

02:24:43.000 You're not going to shoot a 300-yard shot with a rifle freehand.

02:24:47.000 But with a bow, everything's freehand.

02:24:49.000 So with a rifle, I just knew that all it was, just squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, let it go off.

02:24:53.000 Just let it go off.

02:24:54.000 Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze.

02:24:55.000 Boom! 0.99

02:24:56.000 When I started shooting at Terran Tactical and shooting on the range, the easiest thing for me was a rifle.

02:25:01.000 I was like, oh God, all I have to do is just squeeze and the trigger will go off.

02:25:05.000 I'm so used to a bow where there's so many moving parts and you're using your back and you're letting it go off a surprise shot.

02:25:13.000 It made a big difference in my rifle accuracy.

02:25:15.000 Yeah.

02:25:15.000 That was when Dudley was teaching me how to shoot.

02:25:19.000 And Andy was there too.

02:25:21.000 So Andy was like translating.

02:25:23.000 For me, he's like, hey, what do you mean?

02:25:25.000 He's translating it to seal, like pistol shooting.

02:25:28.000 And they're kind of like communicating to each other.

02:25:31.000 And then Andy said, hey, what he's saying is like, you know, frontside focus.

02:25:34.000 I was like, okay, cool.

02:25:34.000 Got it.

02:25:34.000 You know?

02:25:35.000 And it was awesome to have freaking Dudley.

02:25:38.000 I know. 1.00

02:25:39.000 The first person that ever shows me anything about archery is Dudley saying, hey, here's a bow and here's exactly how to shoot, you idiot. 1.00

02:25:45.000 And I'm like, thank you. 1.00

02:25:47.000 That's pretty goddamn lucky. 0.85

02:25:48.000 Yeah, I mean, we're both real lucky in that regard. 0.93

02:25:51.000 I learned how to bow hunt from Cam Haynes and John Dudley.

02:25:54.000 I'm like, jeez.

02:25:56.000 It's pretty lucky.

02:25:57.000 Those are like the world champions of that.

02:26:01.000 Yeah, that's Jordan and Kobe Bryant.

02:26:05.000 Or Jordan and LeBron James.

02:26:06.000 Completely.

02:26:07.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:26:07.000 Yeah.

02:26:09.000 We're very fortunate.

02:26:10.000 And there's something about hunting, too, that once you...

02:26:16.000 It seems like when you're looking at it on the surface, it seems so straightforward.

02:26:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:21.000 And then once you start doing it, it's very much like martial arts, where you're like, God damn, there's a lot of layers to this shit. 1.00

02:26:28.000 There's so many layers. 0.99

02:26:31.000 And then when you're hanging out with a guy like Cam or a guy like Dudley and you hunt with them and you see them hunt, you go, oh, I get it.

02:26:39.000 This is a black belt.

02:26:41.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:41.000 This is some Mundial's champion here.

02:26:43.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:44.000 Yeah.

02:26:44.000 It's exactly what it is.

02:26:45.000 So, so crazy.

02:26:47.000 Yeah.

02:26:47.000 So crazy to see those guys in action.

02:26:49.000 And just to be like listening to what Dudley's telling me about what a freaking elk is going to do.

02:26:56.000 Yeah. 0.54

02:26:56.000 He's going to come over here. 0.54

02:26:58.000 Yeah.

02:26:58.000 Watch him again.

02:26:59.000 I'm like, well, I guess that's just about to happen.

02:27:01.000 Oh, and it just happened.

02:27:02.000 Yeah.

02:27:03.000 It's madness.

02:27:04.000 And then with Dudley, too, it's like he's so into cooking it, too.

02:27:08.000 He's so good at cooking.

02:27:09.000 It's like you get the whole lifestyle thing from him.

02:27:13.000 You get like this learning how the art of archery, which really is an art form.

02:27:19.000 It's an art form just like martial arts are. 0.98

02:27:21.000 Then this moment of keeping your shit together and the execution of a shot and then the big payoff when that does happen and Then the harvesting the animal carrying it out and then the meal that meal afterwards when you've had a successful hunting trip It's like goddamn when we were in camp in Utah and Dudley made that neck that neck roast with with jalapenos and the bell peppers and holy shit But it was also so good because you knew what went down. 0.99

02:27:49.000 You were there when he shot the elk. 0.99

02:27:52.000 It's all so crazy.

02:27:54.000 It's so satisfying that I can't imagine it not being a part of my life and that meat not being a part of my diet.

02:28:03.000 It just changes you.

02:28:05.000 So it's too bad that it's not more available to people, you know?

02:28:11.000 Yeah, it's not.

02:28:12.000 It's hard.

02:28:13.000 There's a high bar for accessibility.

02:28:17.000 And we got real lucky.

02:28:19.000 Oh, for sure.

02:28:20.000 We get to hunt at the Deseret Ranch in Utah, which is this incredible place.

02:28:23.000 It's a private property.

02:28:25.000 I mean, it's all wild animals.

02:28:26.000 There's no fences, but it's private property.

02:28:28.000 So there's not an overwhelming number of people. 0.56

02:28:30.000 There's a lot of guys that they try to go into public land and Unless you're willing to hike in 20 miles, and there's a lot of guys that are willing now to hike in 20 miles because there's now this culture of these really fit backpack hunters like these Aaron Snyder type dudes who put these fucking heavy packs on and they just go.

02:28:50.000 They're training for this moment all year round.

02:28:54.000 Aaron has this crazy setup in his gym where he has this elevated treadmill, and then the treadmill on each side has an Olympic belt.

02:29:06.000 And you lift the bar so you're holding weight and you're going up this elevated treadmill. 0.99

02:29:12.000 I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, man. 0.98

02:29:14.000 But that's what you have to do if you want to be mountain fit to be able to do that. 0.99

02:29:19.000 And that's the barrier for entry.

02:29:21.000 To go and do these public land hunts.

02:29:24.000 Everybody stops at the trailhead.

02:29:25.000 Everybody gets out of their car.

02:29:27.000 And then how far are you going to go? 0.99

02:29:28.000 Because he's willing to go 20 fucking miles in. 0.99

02:29:30.000 Are you willing to go 20 miles in? 0.99

02:29:32.000 That's going to take eight hours.

02:29:33.000 And then come 20 miles back out.

02:29:36.000 With a moose on your back. 0.97

02:29:37.000 With a freaking moose on your back. 0.99

02:29:41.000 That's totally legit. 0.99

02:29:42.000 Totally legit.

02:29:43.000 That's as legit as it gets.

02:29:45.000 And most of those guys all had to learn themselves.

02:29:48.000 They all had to teach themselves.

02:29:50.000 We're real lucky that we get this amazing coaching.

02:29:54.000 Even though there's so many layers to it, I've been doing it now.

02:29:59.000 I've been hunting for eight years, bow hunting for, I guess, six?

02:30:04.000 Six-ish?

02:30:05.000 Total rookie, you know, I'm still like a blue belt or maybe maybe I'm like getting ready to be a purple belt Maybe I might get my purple belt soon, but you know you go out with those guys They're fucking 10th degree black belts and it's like there's even though there's You know this this barrier for entry it is still possible It's still possible,

02:30:24.000 but it's just like jujitsu It's like when you when you talk to that blue belt you like keep fucking going Yeah, and you can make it you can do this, you know speaking of which I I have to at least bring this up a little bit to clarify a little bit what I did to John Dudley on the jiu-jitsu mats. 0.73

02:30:42.000 You broke his neck. 0.99

02:30:44.000 You broke his fucking neck. 1.00

02:30:46.000 What do you mean what you did? 1.00

02:30:47.000 Here's the only part that you're missing a little bit, right?

02:30:51.000 So I'm giving him, his wife, like a jiu-jitsu private. 0.84

02:30:57.000 So you broke his neck in front of his wife.

02:30:59.000 Andy's there.

02:31:00.000 Little Dud was there. 0.98

02:31:02.000 This is getting worse.

02:31:02.000 He broke his neck in front of his wife and his son.

02:31:04.000 So I'm just completely, you know, I'm chilling and like, hey, this is this, this is that.

02:31:10.000 And I'm not even doing...

02:31:12.000 In one weekend, Andy, John, and me, we did archery, which I had never done before.

02:31:21.000 Then we did jiu-jitsu, which John had never done before.

02:31:24.000 And then we went and got in the wind tunnel, which John had never done before.

02:31:27.000 You know, because Andy's like a sky god, parachuting, blah, blah, blah.

02:31:31.000 And so we did those three things.

02:31:32.000 It was kind of like a cool weekend.

02:31:34.000 I mean, that's kind of an epic weekend, really.

02:31:35.000 Let's be honest.

02:31:37.000 So, it's jiu-jitsu time.

02:31:39.000 So I'm like, okay, cool.

02:31:40.000 So I'm going over, hey, this is the guard.

02:31:42.000 This is the mount.

02:31:43.000 I'm going over all the basic stuff.

02:31:44.000 I'm just giving the basic overall kind of concepts.

02:31:49.000 So I get done with that, you know?

02:31:51.000 And I'm done.

02:31:52.000 Like, I'm done.

02:31:53.000 I'm just done.

02:31:54.000 I'm like, okay, you know, great.

02:31:55.000 It's a good introduction.

02:31:57.000 And then Dudley is like, well, let's go a little bit.

02:32:02.000 And I'm like...

02:32:03.000 That was the wrong language. 0.99

02:32:04.000 I would have pulled him aside.

02:32:04.000 Come here.

02:32:05.000 So he's like, let's go a little bit.

02:32:06.000 And even that, you know what?

02:32:07.000 I'm totally cool with that.

02:32:08.000 Of course, he wasn't mean.

02:32:10.000 He wasn't thinking he was going to be...

02:32:12.000 He wants the experience.

02:32:14.000 Yeah, I shouldn't have even said, let's go a little bit.

02:32:16.000 He was like, hey, can we try it?

02:32:18.000 You know, something like that.

02:32:18.000 Just being cool.

02:32:19.000 And I'm like, absolutely, man.

02:32:21.000 No problem.

02:32:22.000 So I lay down on the ground, right?

02:32:25.000 And I'm like...

02:32:27.000 He says, well, what should I do?

02:32:28.000 I go, you know, just attack me.

02:32:30.000 So I lay down on my back. 0.96

02:32:31.000 I'm like, just attack me.

02:32:33.000 And guess what he did?

02:32:35.000 What'd he do? 0.79

02:32:36.000 He freaking attacked me.

02:32:37.000 He like came at me.

02:32:39.000 And Dudley's a big, strong, athletic guy.

02:32:43.000 He's six, what is he?

02:32:44.000 Six, five?

02:32:44.000 At least.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 So he comes, he grabs, and I'm chilling.

02:32:49.000 You know, I'm just like, okay, cool.

02:32:50.000 He comes at me.

02:32:51.000 I think I, he like grabbed me.

02:32:53.000 And so I kind of replace guard, and then I sweep him.

02:32:56.000 And so I'm mounted, and all this is just pretty chill.

02:33:00.000 And I put in a...

02:33:03.000 Ezekiel choke, right?

02:33:04.000 Which I have a little...

02:33:05.000 Nogi?

02:33:05.000 Yeah, Nogi Ezekiel choke.

02:33:06.000 I have a little good technique for doing it, but no big deal.

02:33:09.000 So I put in the Ezekiel choke. 0.96

02:33:11.000 He's...

02:33:12.000 This is the thing that I really wish I should have explained more.

02:33:16.000 Because we hadn't rolled...

02:33:19.000 Wasn't like hey when you start to feel like you gotta you gotta tap out, right?

02:33:23.000 He knew to tap out, but I kind of figured everyone knows how to tap out so I put the choke in on him, right?

02:33:27.000 Well, he doesn't know what to do so he he's grabbing me and he's pulling he's squeezing me and So he's on the bottom, I'm mounted, I've got the Ezekiel choke in, and in order to defend himself in his own mind, he's squeezing me into him.

02:33:43.000 Which the way I do my Ezekiel choke, it hurts, I mean it compresses the choke even more.

02:33:49.000 And so...

02:33:49.000 What are you doing specifically?

02:33:50.000 Basically, I put my hand...

02:33:52.000 I make a fist.

02:33:52.000 And I put my fist in my sternum.

02:33:55.000 And then I, you know, grab the forearm here and then arch my shoulder.

02:33:58.000 So there's the neck right here.

02:34:00.000 It closes it, right?

02:34:01.000 So you're putting the fist into the...

02:34:03.000 The fist into...

02:34:04.000 Right.

02:34:04.000 It's a trach.

02:34:05.000 It's an air choke.

02:34:06.000 It's gnarly.

02:34:07.000 Okay.

02:34:07.000 And so I'm just doing this.

02:34:08.000 And you can see that hole.

02:34:09.000 And you shrug.

02:34:10.000 But as I'm doing this, he's panicking and pulling me into him.

02:34:14.000 Okay.

02:34:15.000 And he only did it for a second, and then he taps out, and I was like, ah, you know, and I wasn't, I was just like, oh, you know, boom, and then he taps.

02:34:25.000 And then the rest of the stories.

02:34:26.000 I guess I didn't know a lot about the rest of the story.

02:34:29.000 I didn't know any of the rest of the story.

02:34:30.000 Because he didn't want to feel like a baby.

02:34:33.000 Yeah, it fractured like his hyoid bone and then it built calcium up around it.

02:34:38.000 So he calls up Andy one day and he goes, dude, I think I got throat cancer.

02:34:43.000 Because there's something growing in my throat.

02:34:46.000 And he goes, the doctor gets an X-ray and he's like, hey, did you do something to your neck?

02:34:49.000 Because there's a hairline fracture that's not now calcium deposit around it.

02:34:54.000 And he's like, oh, I know what happened.

02:34:56.000 So, I guess, in my defense...

02:35:02.000 Why didn't you just get him in a head and arm choke or something? 0.53

02:35:05.000 It wasn't like a big deal.

02:35:07.000 It wasn't crazy.

02:35:09.000 It wasn't crazy.

02:35:10.000 It was just normal.

02:35:11.000 It'd be like if you grabbed somebody that showed up here and was like, hey, can you roll with me?

02:35:16.000 You'd be like, oh, cool.

02:35:16.000 And you'd put him in a kind of whatever presented itself.

02:35:18.000 Maybe you'd arm lock him.

02:35:20.000 Maybe you'd do a chimera.

02:35:21.000 The problem is when you get used to doing certain types of chokes and then you're doing it to someone who doesn't, especially that where you've got a fist in the neck.

02:35:30.000 I guess this is the only thing.

02:35:33.000 Make no mistake about it.

02:35:35.000 Even though I was just chilling.

02:35:37.000 He was not.

02:35:37.000 He was going level 7 berserker mode on me.

02:35:43.000 He's such a good athlete, you know?

02:35:45.000 The other thing about people that have never done jujitsu, when they're doing it with someone who's a black belt, they probably feel like they can just kind of go crazy and you'll just absorb it and deal with it.

02:35:55.000 And so they just try it.

02:35:56.000 Let's see what happens when I go crazy.

02:35:58.000 So now he holds us over my head.

02:36:00.000 He should.

02:36:01.000 He broke his neck in front of his wife.

02:36:03.000 Oh, I know.

02:36:03.000 I know.

02:36:03.000 One day I'm like, we're up in Montana and I said, hey, man.

02:36:08.000 He's at my house.

02:36:10.000 He's like, oh, thanks for having us over.

02:36:11.000 I go, bro.

02:36:13.000 You know, you taught me how to do this.

02:36:14.000 You brought me up here.

02:36:15.000 You take me hunting.

02:36:16.000 Like, you're doing all this awesome stuff, man.

02:36:18.000 You know, you're the man, dude.

02:36:20.000 I really appreciate it.

02:36:20.000 He goes, yeah, you know what you did for me?

02:36:22.000 I'm like, what?

02:36:23.000 He goes, broke my neck.

02:36:28.000 It's awful, bro.

02:36:30.000 It's all good now, though, right?

02:36:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:32.000 Is it not bothering him anymore?

02:36:33.000 Oh, I don't know about that.

02:36:36.000 I thought you meant it's all good between us.

02:36:38.000 It's all good between us.

02:36:39.000 He just sent me a new bow.

02:36:40.000 We're freaking fired up.

02:36:41.000 I think every time he swallows, he thinks about you.

02:36:43.000 No, he coughs.

02:36:45.000 Oh, no.

02:36:45.000 He coughs.

02:36:46.000 Hopefully, I mean, I haven't talked to him about it.

02:36:48.000 I don't like to bring it up a lot. 0.99

02:36:51.000 So there's something in there that's fucking with his throat. 0.98

02:36:53.000 Something in there that's making him cough. 0.98

02:36:55.000 So they'd have to probably get in there and scrape it.

02:36:57.000 So while we're hunting, he would be like...

02:37:00.000 And then he'd look at me, and I'm just thinking, oh, I'm such a horrible person.

02:37:06.000 Oh, no.

02:37:07.000 You know, I always say like, Dean Lister, I've been Dean Lister's training partner for 20-something years.

02:37:16.000 Up until recently, he never hurt me, and I never hurt him.

02:37:19.000 Never.

02:37:20.000 Up until recently?

02:37:21.000 Yeah, because he ended up hurting me. 0.98

02:37:22.000 And he ended up hurting me in the dumbest possible way.

02:37:25.000 I show up to class, this was like... 0.82

02:37:28.000 This is over a year ago because it hurt my archery for a while.

02:37:32.000 I show up to class late, right?

02:37:34.000 And he's teaching and we're just going to roll, but I come out and he's like finishing the class.

02:37:38.000 And I'm cold, and I'm just getting on the mat.

02:37:42.000 And he says, oh, let me show something.

02:37:44.000 He goes, here, lay down.

02:37:46.000 And he gets a straight...

02:37:49.000 He gets an Americana on me, or a Camara, but anyways, he's like, hey, try and get out by straightening your arm.

02:37:56.000 And the whole class is watching.

02:37:58.000 He goes, try and get out by straightening your arm.

02:38:00.000 And I go, okay, cool.

02:38:01.000 And so he puts me across, he gets across side, he puts the...

02:38:04.000 I think it was an action, a Camara.

02:38:07.000 He says...

02:38:08.000 So he's like straight-armed Kimura.

02:38:11.000 He's about to straighten.

02:38:12.000 My arm is here and he's about to straighten.

02:38:14.000 He wants me to try and get out by doing almost like a hitchhike or escape or something.

02:38:19.000 So he says, try and get out by straighten your arm.

02:38:22.000 I go, okay.

02:38:22.000 I straighten my arm and he just, in a millisecond, and you could hear it.

02:38:28.000 Arm locks me.

02:38:30.000 Totally destroyed my arm.

02:38:31.000 No, not totally.

02:38:32.000 It was injured very bad.

02:38:33.000 The first time in my life I had to get a sling.

02:38:35.000 This bro, this guy comes over to me, Dean Lister, and he goes, bro, and he's such a nice guy.

02:38:42.000 He's all, bro, I'm so sorry.

02:38:43.000 And he goes, I didn't know your elbow wasn't very flexible.

02:38:47.000 I go, bro, it's an elbow.

02:38:49.000 Elbows aren't flexible.

02:38:50.000 They're bone, dude.

02:38:52.000 I didn't know your elbow wasn't flexible.

02:38:54.000 Ugh.

02:38:55.000 D needs a DNA test because I know he's at least 86% Neanderthal.

02:38:59.000 Yeah, at a minimum.

02:39:00.000 The way his neck and shoulders move together.

02:39:03.000 At a minimum.

02:39:04.000 You can see that dude with like a big club.

02:39:06.000 For sure.

02:39:07.000 And a total, total mutant and a savant on the jiu-jitsu mats.

02:39:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:11.000 A complete savant on the jiu-jitsu mats.

02:39:13.000 Well, he's literally the missing link.

02:39:15.000 He's the link.

02:39:16.000 I shouldn't say the missing link.

02:39:17.000 The link to jiu-jitsu expanding into the leg locks.

02:39:20.000 Modern jujitsu.

02:39:21.000 It's 100% Dean Lister.

02:39:23.000 And the statement that he made to John Danaher has become world famous.

02:39:27.000 Because Danaher said it on my podcast.

02:39:29.000 He said, Dean Lister said to him, why would you ignore 50% of the human body? 0.98

02:39:35.000 And Danaher, being the fucking genius that he is, was like, why would you enjoy it? 0.99

02:39:39.000 Why would you? 0.98

02:39:40.000 So, all these new things that are coming out now, right?

02:39:45.000 You see Gordon Ryan, just insane.

02:39:48.000 All these guys that are really attacking legs now.

02:39:51.000 And by the way, just like Dean, Gordon's not only good at attacking legs, he's good at everything.

02:39:55.000 But...

02:39:57.000 I was asking Dean because I watched, you know, Dean's done all these moves to me for years, you know, and just over and over again, right?

02:40:06.000 This is what we do.

02:40:06.000 This is what we've been doing.

02:40:08.000 We've been doing it since he won ADCC when Eddie beat Hoyler, when Dean won, when he beat Kakareko in the finals with what they now call 50-50, which he and I called Kakareko.

02:40:21.000 After that, we called that Kakareko.

02:40:22.000 No one started doing it for another many, many, probably 10 years regularly.

02:40:26.000 I was there that year.

02:40:27.000 Oh, yeah, and I wasn't there that year.

02:40:29.000 I was there when Eddie won in San Diego.

02:40:32.000 We were all...

02:40:33.000 I competed in San Diego, Dean competed in San Diego, and Eddie competed in San Diego for the trials.

02:40:37.000 I was there for that, too.

02:40:38.000 Eddie won.

02:40:39.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Dean won.

02:40:41.000 I lost to big country, Roy Nelson.

02:40:46.000 Oh, wow.

02:40:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:40:47.000 And I did because I wasn't very tactically smart.

02:40:52.000 I scrambled to a position and I tried to get a...

02:40:56.000 As a matter of fact, I got a crucifix, because that was kind of one of my go-to moves, get a crucifix and I'd get a choke from there, when I should have taken the back and gotten points, and I didn't, and Roy Nelson, who is a great guy and he's a total stud, I got the crucifix position and he like powered out of bounds.

02:41:14.000 And so then, and he beat me because he's a much better wrestler than me.

02:41:19.000 Awesome at jiu-jitsu too.

02:41:20.000 Anyways, when he won that, we were doing this stuff.

02:41:25.000 So, anyways, probably six months ago or three months ago, I was asking Dina, I said, hey Dina, are you starting to see things that you didn't know?

02:41:38.000 When you're watching, because he watches, I said, are you starting to see jujitsu things that you didn't know, like footlock stuff?

02:41:45.000 And he's like, yeah, about three or four months ago, I started seeing some things that I didn't think of.

02:41:50.000 So that's how long it took people to get to and then start to develop their own stuff, which is pretty crazy.

02:41:57.000 Well, it's fascinating that once the game moved into this sort of leg-lock heavy style that so many guys like Craig Jones and Gordon Ryan and this, you know, Gary Tonin, there's so many of those guys that you're seeing this game getting tighter and tighter with leg locks.

02:42:15.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 And the way John Donaher examines everything, too, because Donaher's body is broken.

02:42:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:42:22.000 He can't really compete anymore.

02:42:24.000 I mean, he has an artificial hip.

02:42:25.000 He's got an artificial knee. 1.00

02:42:26.000 His body's really fucked up. 0.99

02:42:28.000 And his other knee is really unstable. 0.99

02:42:31.000 So he can roll, but he can only roll very controlled with guys who understand his physical limitations.

02:42:36.000 And you can see how he understands positions.

02:42:38.000 You can get a lot out of rolling with him.

02:42:40.000 There's a great video, actually, of Gordon Ryan rolling with John Donahue.

02:42:45.000 And obviously, they're not using strength.

02:42:46.000 They're just flow rolling.

02:42:48.000 But you see how...

02:42:52.000 Tactical he is and how ahead of every position he is and how his deep understanding of it.

02:42:58.000 And part of it is because he's teaching these guys and he's teaching them from a position where he can't really do it himself.

02:43:06.000 He can do it, but he can't compete.

02:43:08.000 He can't roll.

02:43:09.000 Right, right.

02:43:09.000 But he has the mind for it.

02:43:11.000 So he's seeing it from the outside. 0.99

02:43:13.000 And he's also this fucking really genius human being. 0.98

02:43:17.000 So he's able to break this down. 0.97

02:43:18.000 And then he has this core group of badasses that understand what a great pleasure it is to have this genius teach you.

02:43:26.000 I mean, it's not a coincidence that that whole Henzo Gracie team has become one of the biggest threats. 1.00

02:43:33.000 Like, the whole team is filled with fucking murderers. 1.00

02:43:36.000 Yeah, and they're... 1.00

02:43:37.000 Just to again emphasize the point is leg locks are a part of the game.

02:43:44.000 And there was a time period where people thought that leg locks would change the game completely.

02:43:50.000 And at a certain point, the defenses for the leg locks become known.

02:43:54.000 And all of a sudden you have to go back to the other parts of jiu-jitsu.

02:43:58.000 And that's why you see guys like Tonin, right?

02:44:00.000 He doesn't always win with heel hooks, but you have to address them or you will lose.

02:44:07.000 Right.

02:44:07.000 And yeah, those guys, it's really cool to see those guys coming up.

02:44:11.000 I mean, I shouldn't know why I'm kind of saying it coming up like I'm...

02:44:14.000 But I'm watching this development come, which I was at kind of ground zero with Dean Lister.

02:44:21.000 And the crazy thing is, Dean Lister...

02:44:26.000 He has like a like a crazy savant mind where I would create one thing for every Whatever for every 20 things that Dean created It's probably like Eddie and I don't know Eddie as well as you do but Just the creative part of his brain is what the most powerful thing was yeah,

02:44:50.000 and then once people saw it they're like okay now we can build upon this and Yeah, for Eddie, it's 100% the creative part of his brain.

02:44:55.000 Also the fact that when I met Eddie, he hated lifting weights.

02:44:59.000 He wouldn't lift weights.

02:45:00.000 Because I would try to get him to lift weights.

02:45:01.000 I'm like, come on, let's lift weights. 1.00

02:45:02.000 I'm fucking lifting shit. 1.00

02:45:04.000 Like, you can go lift weights. 1.00

02:45:05.000 So he was this little tiny guy, and he had to rely on technique.

02:45:09.000 So he had to rely on trickery.

02:45:11.000 Plus, he was a musician, right?

02:45:12.000 So he's always this creative guy, and he smoked a lot of weed, too.

02:45:16.000 So he was always thinking about things outside the box.

02:45:18.000 And he's also this guy that doesn't like people telling him he's wrong.

02:45:22.000 So, like, you know, like, you can't do it that way.

02:45:24.000 He's like, oh, really?

02:45:25.000 Hmm.

02:45:26.000 Let's see if I can.

02:45:27.000 And then he would find a way to do it.

02:45:28.000 And, you know, he just developed all these, like, weird entries into things and these weird setups that people didn't see coming.

02:45:37.000 And once he sort of improved upon these and then started expanding upon them and then developing that whole 10th planet system, I mean, really, it's an insanely creative system that's just developed based on his...

02:45:51.000 Ability to just think outside the box.

02:45:54.000 I had Jeff Glover at my training at my gym for a long time.

02:45:57.000 He's another one.

02:45:57.000 He's the same thing where he's small, he's crazy flexible, he smokes a lot of weed, and he would just do wild things.

02:46:08.000 Wild things.

02:46:09.000 I was actually at ADCC, and I was with my son.

02:46:13.000 My son was probably like nine or something.

02:46:17.000 And we're there watching and Jeff Glover's about to compete.

02:46:20.000 This was before I really was friends with Jeff.

02:46:22.000 Was he doing that donkey guard thing back then? 1.00

02:46:25.000 He was doing everything.

02:46:26.000 The donkey guard hadn't become super popular, but he was kind of in the beginning stages of it.

02:46:31.000 So I'm sitting there next to my son and we're at ADCC, so it's a small thing.

02:46:35.000 And I go, and I said to my son, watch this guy that's about to come out. 0.95

02:46:38.000 He's crazy.

02:46:40.000 Glover comes out and he like just he falls on his back flips inverted guard and starts like just going Insane just doing insane things and you know the rest of the matches are two guys you know playing patty cakes and looking for the takedown Glover comes out falls down freaking just doing all kinds of wild stuff and then submits the dude in 30 38 seconds and And my son looks at me and he goes, 0.80

02:47:02.000 I thought you meant like crazy.

02:47:05.000 And he goes, I didn't know you meant crazy.

02:47:08.000 And I go, yes.

02:47:10.000 He thought you meant like brutish. 0.99

02:47:12.000 Yes, brutish, crazy.

02:47:14.000 He didn't think I meant what that weird creative thing is.

02:47:18.000 Yeah, that's one of the best things about learning jujitsu from a small person.

02:47:22.000 Like, those small guys, they figure out how to get around things.

02:47:27.000 I mean, there's been a bunch of, you know, Hoyler Gracie's a great example of it, too.

02:47:30.000 Eddie, Glover, yeah.

02:47:33.000 Yeah, that's why I'm never a good, that's why I'm a bad person to introduce people to jujitsu.

02:47:37.000 Right.

02:47:37.000 Because they just think, oh yeah, of course you're a gorilla.

02:47:40.000 You outweigh me by 40 or 50 pounds.

02:47:43.000 I used to always have Jeff Glover on standby at my gym and be like, oh, yeah, okay, go train with that guy over there.

02:47:49.000 See what happens.

02:47:50.000 And when Jeff goes against a big, strong guy, he's going to get something.

02:47:55.000 Yeah, they really get so disappointed in themselves.

02:47:58.000 It's so sad.

02:47:59.000 He said the easiest people for him to roll with were big, muscular guys.

02:48:04.000 Really?

02:48:04.000 He says the easiest people for him to roll with are big, muscular guys.

02:48:08.000 Like, big, muscular guys.

02:48:10.000 He says, I love rolling with them.

02:48:12.000 They're so easy.

02:48:13.000 That's so crazy because most people get injured.

02:48:16.000 That guy's so freaking flexible.

02:48:19.000 I think his neck's jacked up now. 0.58

02:48:22.000 Oh, is it now?

02:48:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:48:23.000 That's the thing that gets everybody is the goddamn neck. 1.00

02:48:27.000 Because very few guys really strengthen their neck correctly either. 0.99

02:48:30.000 I think the neck is one thing that you absolutely should strengthen.

02:48:33.000 I think you can get away with not lifting weights and doing jiu-jitsu, but I don't think you can get away with not strengthening your neck for very long.

02:48:41.000 Yeah, that's... 0.92

02:48:43.000 It's one of those things and it connects you to the rest of your freaking body. 0.97

02:48:47.000 You also use it. 0.98

02:48:48.000 You use it more than you think.

02:48:50.000 You know, especially me, my favorite technique is probably head and arm choke.

02:48:55.000 And you're using your neck to secure that arm.

02:48:58.000 And once you develop a feel for holding that arm in place with that neck, that neck gets a workout mat.

02:49:04.000 You know, you really, you use it a lot more than you think.

02:49:07.000 And if you can strengthen your neck, it's just, it's such a big advantage.

02:49:12.000 It's also a big advantage in avoiding getting hurt because it strengthens the whole chain from the top of your spine all the way down.

02:49:19.000 You know, that's why I'm such a big fan of that iron neck.

02:49:21.000 I just used it right now, right before the podcast I was doing it. 0.99

02:49:25.000 I do it every fucking day, man. 0.98

02:49:27.000 I have one. 1.00

02:49:28.000 I bought one.

02:49:28.000 Love it.

02:49:29.000 They emailed me a bunch.

02:49:30.000 They're like, bro, how do you like it?

02:49:31.000 I'm like, it's all good. 0.95

02:49:32.000 It's fucking awesome, man. 0.86

02:49:34.000 Between that and, you know, there's a few other back exercises and stuff that I think are critical. 0.97

02:49:39.000 Strengthen the lower back, too, because it's another thing that guys always get jacked, is their lower back.

02:49:43.000 Yeah.

02:49:44.000 You know the weird thing is people's necks get jacked up regardless.

02:49:49.000 Like, there's people that go through life doing whatever paperwork, and they end up with a bad neck.

02:49:53.000 Neck is a vulnerable thing, so if you don't take care of it...

02:49:56.000 Especially when you are abusing it, when you are getting choked, when you are not tapping.

02:50:00.000 It's one of those things.

02:50:02.000 I judge people on their necks.

02:50:03.000 On the size of their neck?

02:50:05.000 Yeah, if I see someone with a little skinny neck, I just go, what are you doing, man?

02:50:08.000 Yeah, go do some bridges.

02:50:10.000 It just doesn't seem like it would be a good thing to have.

02:50:13.000 That's the thing that holds your head on.

02:50:15.000 I can't wait for the future when your neck is all jacked up and you go in and they just put you in surgery for two hours and you come out and you got a metal spine.

02:50:26.000 I'm going to be the first person.

02:50:28.000 I'm right in line.

02:50:29.000 You want to give me a metal spine or any metal components inside my body?

02:50:33.000 You're down with that?

02:50:33.000 I'm 100% down.

02:50:34.000 Let's make it happen.

02:50:35.000 Eddie's got a fake disc.

02:50:37.000 Eddie's got a titanium articulating disc.

02:50:39.000 Where?

02:50:40.000 Lower back.

02:50:41.000 His lower back had been so smashed and suppressed that his, you know, that's one of the things that's why men, when they get older, they shrink, is your discs get squished to the point and they start touching.

02:50:53.000 You get stenosis.

02:50:55.000 Do you think you can go too far with flexibility that it starts to injure you over the long term?

02:51:02.000 Well, I don't think you can go too far with flexibility, but flexibility without strength, perhaps, because maybe that inflexibility, like maybe you'll get like some muscle damage, you know, when you're trying to push too far, that'll prevent you from getting disc damage.

02:51:17.000 Maybe.

02:51:17.000 That's just speculation.

02:51:19.000 But I think it's just so critical to strengthen your back, man.

02:51:23.000 I mean, I'm always doing reverse hypers, and I do all these different back extensions.

02:51:29.000 I just think strengthening that whole column, and yoga in particular, and then the neck, the iron neck, I just think that whole thing...

02:51:36.000 It's like too many guys just rely on their workouts to strengthen that.

02:51:40.000 And they don't take it as like, hey, I really like doing jujitsu.

02:51:43.000 I really like doing Muay Thai.

02:51:45.000 I want to put in the time to work out these areas.

02:51:49.000 How's Eddie's back now?

02:51:51.000 It's not 100%.

02:51:52.000 It still fucks with him a little bit, but he's rolling again.

02:51:55.000 But he's got a fake disc. 0.67

02:51:57.000 A disc.

02:51:58.000 It's a titanium disc that they replace the smooshy part with this thing that rolls and moves.

02:52:03.000 But it still creates some inflammation.

02:52:06.000 Look, I know...

02:52:07.000 I had Ronnie Coleman here last week.

02:52:09.000 I know, I listened to it.

02:52:10.000 And his whole back is all fused.

02:52:12.000 And it's horrible, man.

02:52:14.000 I mean, he can't walk.

02:52:15.000 And, you know, he's the king.

02:52:16.000 Greatest Olympian of all time. 0.99

02:52:18.000 I mean, he's a fucking amazing... 0.99

02:52:20.000 Pro bodybuilder. 0.99

02:52:21.000 Eight time Mr. Olympia.

02:52:23.000 Only him and Lee Haney.

02:52:23.000 I watched the documentary.

02:52:24.000 Did you see the documentary?

02:52:26.000 No, I didn't.

02:52:26.000 I didn't.

02:52:26.000 Really good, man.

02:52:27.000 Really just, what a good guy.

02:52:29.000 Great guy.

02:52:30.000 What a nice guy.

02:52:31.000 Couldn't be nicer.

02:52:32.000 And in pain. 1.00

02:52:33.000 In fucking agony. 0.99

02:52:35.000 And still working out. 0.99

02:52:35.000 Friendly and wouldn't have it any other way. 0.99

02:52:38.000 And he talks about the days that he, like, he was talking about squatting 800 pounds.

02:52:43.000 And that, like, he said he was going to do it for two reps.

02:52:47.000 And after the two reps, I could have gotten more.

02:52:50.000 And to this day, he thinks he should have gotten more.

02:52:53.000 That's what we were talking about earlier, right?

02:52:55.000 That's keeping him up at night.

02:52:56.000 That's why he's a champion.

02:52:58.000 I mean, that really is.

02:52:59.000 That's what made him a champion.

02:53:01.000 Did you watch the West Side vs.

02:53:03.000 the World documentary?

02:53:05.000 No, I didn't, but I got to interview Louie.

02:53:07.000 That's why I got the reverse hyper on here.

02:53:09.000 I have another piece of his equipment too, that belt squat machine, which is amazing.

02:53:13.000 It puts all the weight on your hips versus on your back. 0.99

02:53:17.000 He's a fucking wild dude, man. 0.99

02:53:19.000 I want to go out there and hang out. 0.99

02:53:21.000 Oh, he would love you, man.

02:53:22.000 He would love you.

02:53:23.000 You would love him, too, man. 1.00

02:53:25.000 That is who Louie is, and he's got this fucking gym filled with barbarians. 1.00

02:53:30.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:53:31.000 Just all they're doing is just trying to lift the maximum amount of weight they can lift.

02:53:35.000 It's insane.

02:53:36.000 My kid watched that, and he, you know, he's just all about it now.

02:53:42.000 West side!

02:53:45.000 Him and his little buddies talking about Louie Simmons.

02:53:48.000 He's contagious.

02:53:50.000 Go harder.

02:53:50.000 Go heavier.

02:53:51.000 I mean, Jamie and I were in his office interviewing him.

02:53:53.000 That's where we did it.

02:53:54.000 Oh, you went out there?

02:53:55.000 We actually did the podcast at Westside.

02:53:56.000 Yeah, I was in Columbus doing stand-up, and I just had to interview him.

02:54:00.000 God, that's awesome.

02:54:00.000 I just knew.

02:54:01.000 I knew just like I want to get the guy in his gym, too. 0.94

02:54:04.000 It was just fucking amazing.

02:54:06.000 He gave us a tour of the gym, and then we did a podcast at his desk. 0.97

02:54:09.000 It was awesome.

02:54:10.000 What?

02:54:10.000 What a rare human being.

02:54:13.000 Yeah, they don't make them like Louie Simmons, but also a genius. 0.95

02:54:16.000 Like, here's a guy who figured out, like, his disc was fucked up, and they were like, we're going to fuse you. 0.93

02:54:20.000 And he's like, well, let me think of this. 0.63

02:54:22.000 Something made it compress.

02:54:24.000 I'm going to figure out something to make it decompress and strengthen that area, and that's where the reverse hyper came from, which I think should be a staple in every gym.

02:54:32.000 That reverse hyper machine for strengthening the lower back and then actively decompressing.

02:54:36.000 I've never found anything better.

02:54:38.000 That's all in Louie Simmons' mind.

02:54:40.000 It came out of his own brain because of his injury.

02:54:43.000 That he came back from and was squatting whatever, 729 world record at whatever, 62 years old.

02:54:52.000 Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend any things he does.

02:54:55.000 I mean, here's a guy who got his biceps reattached and then blew it out because it was too annoying to not be able to work out.

02:55:01.000 So he just went back to working out and pop, snapped back off.

02:55:04.000 So he's got no biceps.

02:55:06.000 Just pulls back.

02:55:08.000 Crazy animal.

02:55:10.000 He had his shoulder redone. 0.86

02:55:11.000 They gave him an artificial shoulder.

02:55:13.000 Goes back to the gym and they're like, you're gonna max out today.

02:55:16.000 His friends made him max out after his shoulder surgery with an artificial shoulder.

02:55:20.000 Like, okay.

02:55:22.000 That's just the culture.

02:55:24.000 The culture is, it doesn't matter.

02:55:25.000 Injuries don't matter.

02:55:26.000 In the documentary, one of the guys was saying, my goal My goal was to hurt Louie when he came in the gym.

02:55:34.000 My goal was to hurt him.

02:55:37.000 I wanted him to get hurt. 0.97

02:55:38.000 I wanted to push him so hard that he got hurt.

02:55:41.000 And this is one of his buddies, one of his friends, one of his training partners. 0.51

02:55:46.000 My goal was to hurt him.

02:55:47.000 That's that culture, though.

02:55:49.000 I mean, that's how you develop such a legendary place.

02:55:54.000 The sensibilities are beyond what a normal person would consider a prudent thing to do.

02:55:58.000 Yeah, and the people that could withstand that kind of pressure became champions.

02:56:02.000 Yeah.

02:56:02.000 Became world record holders.

02:56:04.000 It's all about the mind, Jocko.

02:56:06.000 That's what it takes.

02:56:06.000 Nobody knows more than you.

02:56:08.000 We just did three hours, dude.

02:56:09.000 I'm going to give you a COVID test now.

02:56:10.000 It's 3.30.

02:56:11.000 Let's get some.

02:56:12.000 All right, let's get some.

02:56:13.000 Thank you, brother.

02:56:13.000 Appreciate you, man.

02:56:14.000 Right on, bro.

02:56:14.000 Right on.

02:56:14.000 Bye, everybody.

02:56:17.000 Awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 16, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1492 - Jocko Willink

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