The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1503 - Josh Barnett

00:00:00.000 Two.

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00:00:01.000 Demons!

00:00:02.000 Demons!

00:00:03.000 Demons be gone. 0.92

00:00:04.000 Demons. 0.98

00:00:04.000 I'll take them. 0.98

00:00:05.000 I'll just, you know.

00:00:06.000 Just absorb them into your soul.

00:00:07.000 Sure.

00:00:08.000 Enough. 1.00

00:00:08.000 And kill them with your own darkness. 1.00

00:00:11.000 That's probably possible, you know? 1.00

00:00:13.000 Just the beard alone might scare him off.

00:00:14.000 Could be.

00:00:15.000 I've definitely always got the soundtrack for it. 0.99

00:00:17.000 How long have you been drawing that fucker? 0.99

00:00:18.000 That's a real one. 1.00

00:00:20.000 That's a man's beard. 0.97

00:00:20.000 This thing actually has taken quite a long time. 0.97

00:00:22.000 I am not of the sort who is prone to growing facial hair.

00:00:28.000 It took me until probably 36 before I had a single chest hair.

00:00:32.000 What?

00:00:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:33.000 Really?

00:00:34.000 Yeah, I blame the Native American side of my family. 1.00

00:00:36.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:00:37.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, I've got back hair now, like, full back hair.

00:00:42.000 Something over the last, like, from the time I was, like, probably 35, I started growing, like, serious back hair.

00:00:48.000 Now I'm 52, and, you know, I'm not, like, who's that Russian wrestler dude?

00:00:53.000 Is this one?

00:00:54.000 Oh, well, there was this guy, Victor Zangiev, who actually did professional wrestling, and that guy was just coated in it.

00:01:01.000 Oh, yeah, right.

00:01:02.000 And there was another guy, Solomon Hashimikov, also.

00:01:04.000 Okay.

00:01:05.000 He's just a fur coat.

00:01:06.000 There was one wrestler who had done a bunch of films and stuff.

00:01:12.000 George the Animal Steel.

00:01:13.000 Oh, well, yeah, him.

00:01:14.000 He's about as hairy as a human gets.

00:01:16.000 He was a math teacher or something like that in real life?

00:01:18.000 Yeah, look at him.

00:01:21.000 Full-on gorilla. 1.00

00:01:22.000 I mean, that guy was a fucking werewolf. 1.00

00:01:27.000 You know what, when you got a head like that, it's like you're always walking under a full moon. 1.00

00:01:32.000 He was in a bunch of, like, arthouse movies.

00:01:35.000 I could see that.

00:01:36.000 Well, there was also a guy named Tor-something who was in Plan 9 from Outer Space.

00:01:41.000 And he was also a professional wrestler.

00:01:44.000 Well, I mean, they're acting all the time.

00:01:46.000 Is this, like, the hairiest wrestlers?

00:01:48.000 Is that what you pulled up?

00:01:51.000 I was looking for the Russian guy.

00:01:52.000 I bet you if you put in the hairiest wrestler's feet, I'm sure that would show up too.

00:01:56.000 Yeah, the Russian guy is a current competitive grappler and he's built like a brick shithouse and he's covered in hair. 1.00

00:02:03.000 Yeah, he's like everything. 1.00

00:02:05.000 Hairiest fuck. 0.99

00:02:06.000 Yeah, so I'm not naturally all that prone to being particularly hairy. 1.00

00:02:09.000 But your beard is so uniform.

00:02:11.000 It's beautiful.

00:02:12.000 It's like the front part is dark and the sides are perfectly white.

00:02:15.000 I mean, it doesn't get any better than that, dude.

00:02:17.000 You know, it's coming in kind of nice.

00:02:19.000 I use all the right lotions and tinctures, ungents. 1.00

00:02:22.000 Do you use lotions on it?

00:02:24.000 No, no, no.

00:02:25.000 That doesn't look like you do.

00:02:26.000 I'm not a very high-maintenance guy.

00:02:28.000 Every now and again, I will put some beard oil in it, but that's about it.

00:02:30.000 Beard oil.

00:02:31.000 Beard oil.

00:02:32.000 And it's mainly because I'm just trying to keep the knots out of it.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, people will look down upon you if you groom your beard hair in any way for some strange reason.

00:02:41.000 I have seen that.

00:02:42.000 Like, oh, you think a razor touches this?

00:02:46.000 I mean, possibly.

00:02:49.000 Like, you can shave, but you can't trim. 0.99

00:02:52.000 No, you gotta let this shit just go to nature. 0.99

00:02:55.000 This is full will to power right here. 1.00

00:02:56.000 It just does what it wants to do and gets stronger every day.

00:02:59.000 Like, if you took your pubic hair and you made, like, a crown...

00:03:02.000 Oh, for sure, yeah.

00:03:03.000 You just...

00:03:04.000 You can't do that. 1.00

00:03:06.000 ...formulated that into your monument to your cock. 1.00

00:03:12.000 Who was the dude... 1.00

00:03:14.000 There was a guy who was a UFC fighter...

00:03:17.000 Did he?

00:03:19.000 Oh! 0.60

00:03:20.000 Brian Ebersole?

00:03:22.000 Yes, something like that. 0.98

00:03:24.000 He's a kook. 0.90

00:03:26.000 Really skillful guy.

00:03:26.000 Very, very skillful.

00:03:27.000 Very slick. 0.97

00:03:29.000 He was a guy that had, fuck man, he's like a Jeremy Horn type character with like a hundred plus fights. 0.99

00:03:34.000 Yes. 1.00

00:03:35.000 There he is.

00:03:35.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 I never saw a guy more calm, cool, and collected in a fight before.

00:03:40.000 You know, I'm surprised that he has it pointing upwards.

00:03:43.000 Like, you know, hit here instead of...

00:03:46.000 But I guess the nature of chest hair is as such.

00:03:49.000 Yeah, maybe just want to avoid nut shots.

00:03:52.000 There you go.

00:03:53.000 You got the very manicured one.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, I like that one a lot.

00:03:56.000 He probably waxed to finish that off.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:00.000 Those nice lines.

00:04:01.000 Had someone do it.

00:04:02.000 Someone really talented.

00:04:05.000 That's like a broadhead.

00:04:06.000 I mean, that looks like a real serious broadhead.

00:04:10.000 Oh, goodness.

00:04:11.000 Like he knows what he's doing.

00:04:13.000 He's out there. 0.99

00:04:13.000 He ain't fucking around when it comes to his chest hair. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Yeah, that guy, he just... 0.99

00:04:17.000 I don't know what happened.

00:04:18.000 He just stopped.

00:04:19.000 I don't know if...

00:04:20.000 I don't think he's...

00:04:20.000 I think he retired, but he had so many, so many fights.

00:04:24.000 Well, you gotta figure, you know, what is the...

00:04:27.000 What is the length of time that you can continue to be an athlete?

00:04:30.000 And I've said this to a lot of folks, and that is you don't know what your athletic window is.

00:04:36.000 Right.

00:04:36.000 Especially when you create something exceptional, like if you're an Olympic athlete or you're a world-class athlete or professional athlete, as you continue to move up the ladder of difficulty, so to speak.

00:04:50.000 The shorter the window is that you can compete at that level, obviously.

00:04:53.000 But everybody's athletic window is limited.

00:04:57.000 So the length of time you can be a competitive fighter is, you know, who knows how long.

00:05:03.000 I guess I've seen some stats that say over five years it starts to decline.

00:05:08.000 Over seven, or around seven, it really starts to take a nosedive.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, they say for a pro MMA fighter, it's like you have nine years to compete at a very high level.

00:05:17.000 But that's who's they.

00:05:18.000 And even then, that nine years is still more towards the tails and not into the middle of it.

00:05:23.000 And, I mean, a lot of folks, you'll see them, you'll get to the UFC... They are there for about three, four years, and then even towards that tail end of that four years, it's like they're no longer in the running for any of the major fights.

00:05:40.000 Yeah.

00:05:40.000 I think for people on the outside, I don't think they understand what's going on in terms of injuries, wear and tear.

00:05:47.000 Just the overall punishment that your body takes through the grueling sessions, training sessions, sparring.

00:05:53.000 Yeah, you're doing untold amounts of damage to your body.

00:05:57.000 And there's, of course, a matter of chance in terms of, oh, did somebody roll into your knee that day or not?

00:06:04.000 Or did you just land a punch wrong?

00:06:07.000 I mean, there's all kinds of other factors that just can't be accounted for.

00:06:10.000 That's why it's kind of crazy when you see a high-level fighter who's training for a world championship fight and they're in one of those group class environments where there's like 13 other dudes around them.

00:06:21.000 And you're like, Jesus Christ, man.

00:06:23.000 That's so risky.

00:06:24.000 It is.

00:06:25.000 And I think a lot of it stems from the origin of MMA. It's...

00:06:30.000 Wrestling rooms.

00:06:31.000 Being derived from wrestling, from the jujitsu, from martial arts structured elements, but also the money wasn't there for dedicated trainer-manager types.

00:06:41.000 Right.

00:06:42.000 It's like, as soon as the manager construct came into MMA, and I say construct because I don't think most MMA managers are actual managers.

00:06:52.000 They're mostly just agents.

00:06:54.000 They find fights and whatever, and they'll get a collective of other fighters under their wings so they can have some sort of collective bargaining by having these other athletes or always being able to shuttle somebody in depending on what a...

00:07:08.000 The UFC or some other organization might need, but they're not really overseeing someone's career.

00:07:14.000 Right.

00:07:14.000 We should talk about that, like what that means.

00:07:16.000 What you're essentially saying is they're not like a boxing manager will slowly build you towards a world title fight and a UFC fighter doesn't really get that opportunity.

00:07:29.000 No, that's true.

00:07:30.000 And part of it is because I would say a lot of these Quote-unquote managers want to fast-track an athlete into getting the money.

00:07:39.000 And with boxing managers, and there are times where people are fast-tracked.

00:07:44.000 Look at Lomachenko.

00:07:45.000 So he was such of a high level that he's already being put into the big high-dollar matchups and what have you.

00:07:52.000 Or look at in MMA, Jon Jones, where it actually worked.

00:07:54.000 Yes.

00:07:55.000 You know, fast-tracked.

00:07:56.000 Or yourself.

00:07:57.000 Yes.

00:07:57.000 You're the youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.

00:08:00.000 True, but I did have 24 fights by the time I ever hit the UFC or something like that.

00:08:04.000 But you're still...

00:08:05.000 What were you, 23 when you won the title?

00:08:07.000 I was 24 when I won the title.

00:08:09.000 That's still very young, particularly for a heavyweight, right?

00:08:13.000 Yes.

00:08:13.000 Yeah, no, it is quite young.

00:08:14.000 And it lasted as the youngest UFC champion of all time until Jon Jones beat it by a few months or something like that, by age, when he won his title.

00:08:25.000 But...

00:08:27.000 But these management types came into the fold and then they're like, well, you know, we get 33 percent or 20 percent or all these different percentages.

00:08:37.000 Do they get 33 percent?

00:08:37.000 There are ones out there that do get 33. Jesus Christ, that's criminal.

00:08:40.000 There was a case around a fighter suing his former manager and the manager was getting 33 and a third.

00:08:48.000 Which I guess was the maximum allowable by California standards, I believe.

00:08:55.000 That seems so wrong.

00:08:56.000 It does seem wrong.

00:08:57.000 But the other thing about this, and the way I approached it was, You get these numbers.

00:09:26.000 It's vastly different from just, oh, yeah, well, I called up the UFC and said, yeah, I'll throw you in in two weeks.

00:09:33.000 It's not the same thing.

00:09:34.000 And you think you deserve 33 and a third percent?

00:09:38.000 With my fighters...

00:09:40.000 I tell them, look, once I can make you over $10,000, start paying me.

00:09:44.000 Because other than that, what am I going to do with your $200?

00:09:47.000 Right.

00:09:47.000 Are you managing guys or training?

00:09:49.000 I have actually been managing fighters since the early 2000s. 0.99

00:09:53.000 No shit. 0.99

00:09:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:09:54.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

00:09:55.000 I knew you were training guys.

00:09:57.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 No, I started off with managing Megumi Fuji's career.

00:10:01.000 Got her her first fights in the U.S., helped her turn pro, all that, and negotiated her Bellator deals, all that kind of stuff.

00:10:11.000 I manage Victor Henry as for like a more modern athlete I'm working with.

00:10:17.000 Victor Henry, he's on eight fight winning streak.

00:10:21.000 He's probably next in line to fight for a title in Ryzen.

00:10:23.000 He's been kicking the crap out of people in Ryzen.

00:10:26.000 He's the deep world champion. 0.92

00:10:28.000 He's beating people up in Russia.

00:10:30.000 And the thing is, you know, people are so concerned about just the UFC or the American market, which I get it.

00:10:37.000 It is the largest market.

00:10:38.000 It is the most notable.

00:10:39.000 And it has incredible fighters in it.

00:10:42.000 But there's incredible fighters everywhere, and there's also that process towards graduating a fighter up to their best position and giving them the best experience for that fighter.

00:10:54.000 And I was just talking to someone at the UFC the other day about Victor, and he goes, you're doing the right thing with him.

00:11:00.000 You're building him up.

00:11:01.000 You're making him the best version of himself he can be, and you're taking care of him and getting him paid.

00:11:06.000 That's part of the experience.

00:11:08.000 And also, I try to make sure to give my fighters the experience of being around the world, seeing the world.

00:11:13.000 There's nothing that will change your outlook towards being in other places, especially the more disparate from what you're used to.

00:11:21.000 I got a great fighter It was a real eye-opening experience, but the thing was, it was eye-opening in all the right ways.

00:11:36.000 He had such a blast being in such a different environment and getting to be really out of his comfort zone.

00:11:45.000 And, you know, I live to do stuff like that for my fighters as well.

00:11:48.000 Yeah, that's growth as a human.

00:11:50.000 Exactly.

00:11:50.000 Which will translate into growth as a fighter.

00:11:52.000 I don't see how it won't, especially, I think, within that overall apparatus of fighting and the constant...

00:12:03.000 Fail, failure to succeed rhetoric.

00:12:06.000 You just can't come out and immediately win at everything that you're trying to do and you won't come out and immediately be great at everything you do.

00:12:14.000 Some things, sure, but it's about the overall It's about your overall growth and where you started and where you end up.

00:12:24.000 And I think if you look at the overall talent pool in the world, it used to be that the elite fighters were all either at Pride or at UFC. That's what it used to be.

00:12:36.000 But now, like you see when Eddie Alvarez went over to one, he fought that Timothy Natsuyukin.

00:12:42.000 Yes.

00:12:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:42.000 Nastyukin is a bad motherfucker.

00:12:44.000 He must be if he's beating Eddie Alvarez. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Stop him. 1.00

00:12:46.000 He's gotta be tough as shit. 1.00

00:12:47.000 Yeah, and Eddie Alvarez, of course, former UFC champion, is world class. 0.99

00:12:51.000 Yes, he is. 1.00

00:12:51.000 So to see him get beat down by that guy, you go, well, these motherfuckers are out there. 1.00

00:12:56.000 And the talent level's so high. 0.99

00:12:59.000 Like, there's guys that get to the UFC, and right when they get here, you go, holy shit, where's this guy been?

00:13:04.000 Like, Pyotr Yan. 0.68

00:13:06.000 Who's fighting he's fighting for the title this weekend against Jose Aldo and Piotr Jan is this badass Russian dude who's fucking vicious and when he first came over the UFC I'm like Jesus Christ where's this guy been? 0.95

00:13:17.000 It's like you see these guys who are all over the world now, you know, you've seen elite world-class fighters and it's not just the UFC anymore like I firmly believe Douglas Lima is one of the best welterweights on the planet Agreed.

00:13:31.000 If not the best.

00:13:32.000 Yeah, he's got an incredible dynamism to his game, and his offensive capabilities are just absolutely deadly.

00:13:41.000 Deadly.

00:13:41.000 Yeah.

00:13:42.000 He finds holes, you know?

00:13:43.000 I mean, for him to knock out Michael Page.

00:13:45.000 But we're not talking about my dating life.

00:13:48.000 Different kind of holes!

00:13:50.000 For him to knock out Michael Page like that, I mean, Page is hard to even hit that guy.

00:13:54.000 He is.

00:13:55.000 He's very elusive.

00:13:56.000 And I know a lot of people like to really rag on Page.

00:13:59.000 I think he's awesome.

00:14:00.000 Me too, man.

00:14:01.000 And I met the kid...

00:14:03.000 It's so weird to think that everybody's kind of like kid to me now.

00:14:07.000 From youngest ever UFC champion to here you go.

00:14:12.000 There's still some people I'm sure I'm kid too, like Mark Coleman.

00:14:14.000 I'm sure he'll always call me kid.

00:14:16.000 Or Gene LaBelle.

00:14:17.000 Or Gene LaBelle.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:14:19.000 If you ever come across Gene, if my name comes out of your mouth, he's going to go, Tell him Uncle Gene said thanks for teaching him a Kimura.

00:14:31.000 It never ends.

00:14:32.000 I'm like, oh, you mean double wrist lock.

00:14:33.000 He's such a character.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I love Uncle Gene to death.

00:14:37.000 Me too.

00:14:37.000 I absolutely do.

00:14:38.000 But there's great fighters everywhere.

00:14:41.000 And really, promotions, one of their biggest duties is to find them, to cultivate those fighters.

00:14:50.000 They're not great just because they're in your organization.

00:14:53.000 They're great because your organization finds great fighters.

00:14:57.000 Right, right.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, they're out there.

00:14:59.000 And I mean, if you think about just the level of awareness of elite fighters now, because of YouTube and because of all these different streaming services, I mean, you can watch, you could be anywhere in the world and watch top flight talent.

00:15:13.000 It's not a surprise anymore.

00:15:15.000 There's even amazing guys out there like Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenshin that do breakdowns on specific fights, fighters, and specific techniques.

00:15:25.000 I send Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenshin stuff to my team all the time in group chats.

00:15:30.000 Like, watch us, watch us, watch us.

00:15:32.000 If any of them pick up a teep like Sam Art, then I'm like...

00:15:37.000 Job done.

00:15:38.000 And I didn't have to do anything about it.

00:15:40.000 It's even better.

00:15:41.000 Those clips are so great, too, because they'll highlight a specific technique, they'll show the KO or the finish, and then they'll break down all the different moving parts.

00:15:51.000 Both those guys are fantastic.

00:15:53.000 Robin Black's great as well.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, Robin Black is fantastic.

00:15:57.000 Robin is very entertaining, too.

00:15:58.000 He's a really entertaining person.

00:16:00.000 And his enthusiasm for martial arts really comes through.

00:16:04.000 I do love his sincerity.

00:16:05.000 Yeah, he's a great person.

00:16:06.000 And that's just a thing that is missing.

00:16:08.000 Sincerity and authenticity in anything you do.

00:16:10.000 And just like we talked about...

00:16:12.000 The Rogan man cave.

00:16:14.000 But it's not about being a man cave.

00:16:16.000 This place is an extension of everything that you're trying to create for yourself.

00:16:21.000 And that is honestly, whether you have the means to create something like this, or you just have the means to create something really small in your own little apartment.

00:16:31.000 Everything that you do should be...

00:16:34.000 In worship, so to speak, to the ideal you're trying to create.

00:16:38.000 Right, yeah.

00:16:39.000 And you can't do that if you're insincere.

00:16:42.000 You can't do that if you're just trying to be the packaging and not the item.

00:16:47.000 Yeah, we were talking about that earlier, that there's too many...

00:16:51.000 And I think this is part of the problem with social media, is that people are intoxicated with this idea of having other people think they're awesome. 0.98

00:16:59.000 So they put out all this stuff to make it look like they're this amazing person and they'll put up these quotes and put up this shit. 0.93

00:17:09.000 But it's not really what they're into, they just want you to think they're into it. 0.97

00:17:14.000 And it comes off that way.

00:17:17.000 One of my biggest pet peeves, and I posted a quote last night, not a quote rather, but an image of Miyamoto Musashi, because I got into the Book of Five Rings again. 0.99

00:17:27.000 I cannot wait to hear what just criticism somehow came out of nowhere to tell you what a jerk you were, how wrong you are, whatever. 0.98

00:17:36.000 I don't know if there is any criticism. 1.00

00:17:37.000 I didn't pay attention.

00:17:38.000 But what I was going to criticize is I was going to say that I have an issue with there's a lot of people online.

00:17:47.000 It's not even that I have an issue.

00:17:48.000 It doesn't resonate with me.

00:17:49.000 This is a better way of putting it without being negative. 0.98

00:17:51.000 There's so many people that are posting motivational shit, but they haven't done anything. 0.98

00:17:55.000 True. 0.98

00:17:56.000 It is trying to be the packaging and not the item.

00:17:59.000 You can do this.

00:18:00.000 If you feel that, go do this.

00:18:02.000 This is how you go get it. 1.00

00:18:04.000 What the fuck have you done? 0.99

00:18:06.000 You have to do something. 0.99

00:18:07.000 And I didn't say this last night, but this is what I meant when I posted it.

00:18:11.000 If you want to take inspiration, there's something about the words of Miyamoto Musashi that are profoundly inspirational.

00:18:19.000 Because he's a man who bested over 60 men in one-on-one sword fights.

00:18:24.000 So when he's talking about strategy, or he's talking about technique, and he's talking about preparation, and you must research this, you must look into this, and this is how you go about attacking, this is how you play off your opponent's strategy. 1.00

00:18:39.000 He's talking about life or death with a fucking sword. 0.99

00:18:42.000 You can't get more serious than that. 1.00

00:18:44.000 It just comes through in his words, man. 0.99

00:18:46.000 Even translation from Japanese to English, even though it's 400 years later, there's something about that guy that gives me goosebumps, man, when I read his shit. 0.86

00:18:54.000 I fell in love with samurai philosophy a long time ago from Nitobe and the Hagakure, and there's even one called...

00:19:10.000 I forget the name of it, but it's a really short, succinct book that really nails down some things.

00:19:15.000 And I think part of why what they have to say is so...

00:19:21.000 So authentic and so real, so to speak, is because it's life or death for them.

00:19:28.000 Reading Storm of Seal by Ernst Jünger, and you're reading this guy's take on being in World War I. And it's not that he was never afraid.

00:19:36.000 It's not that he didn't understand what war is.

00:19:40.000 It's just from his position as a soldier and the way he approached things and the way he even still saw beauty in these moments in living in that part of his life.

00:19:50.000 It's clearly somebody that I believe has a good grip on being towards death, as Heidegger would put it.

00:19:58.000 Like embracing what it means to be alive and by embracing that, you're also embracing the fact that you are going to die.

00:20:05.000 It is not going away.

00:20:07.000 That death is alongside you and you don't know when it's coming.

00:20:10.000 And there's no need to because you're not supposed to be thinking about whether or not you're going to die or when it's going to come or anything like that.

00:20:16.000 But you need to be thinking about what you're going to do before that time does show up and how you're going to do it and for why.

00:20:23.000 How are you finding meaning and fulfillment in life so that when death comes along and tugs on your shirt sleeve, You're like, alright, well this is it.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, and those guys, people that you've described, whether it's Musashi or any of those people, what comes out in their words is authenticity because of the fact that they have led these extraordinary lives and they have faced incredible danger.

00:20:48.000 They have lived There's something about that where you can genuinely learn from those people, whereas there's a lot of people that really haven't, but they know that people long for those things, so they try to recreate it. 0.96

00:21:01.000 They try to recreate these quotes, or they try to find some words that will inspire you to get going and seize the moment and make the most of the day and go out there and conquer and kick ass. 0.89

00:21:17.000 It doesn't mean anything. 0.97

00:21:19.000 It's all personal.

00:21:19.000 It is attempting to take on – it's presenting the persona of that kind of individual mainly because they know that deep down all of us realize that there's weight to those kind of people.

00:21:30.000 And I'm sure Peterson would be like, it's the bloody archetype or something.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, it's exactly what he would do.

00:21:36.000 But – Well, he's an example as well.

00:21:39.000 I mean when he talks about – whatever he's talking about, he's talking about – I don't know.

00:21:47.000 He's talking about it from a place of profound understanding and that resonates like when he critiques Marxism or critiques certain philosophies and certain Certain trends that he sees in social social behavior like he's doing it from a place of profound understanding and that's that's why it resonates with people That's why he became so famous so people think somehow or another that he became so famous because There's an angst in

00:22:18.000 a lot of weak men that he tapped into.

00:22:21.000 That's the typical criticism.

00:22:24.000 The surface level diagnosis of all these kind of things, or prognosis.

00:22:28.000 But the thing is, even as much as, to put it in perspective, so I have my own journey dealing with It was like, 1.00

00:22:47.000 fuck! 1.00

00:22:47.000 It was a person you were dating or something? 1.00

00:22:49.000 Yeah, it was someone I was in a relationship with.

00:22:51.000 And it was just like, I'm getting assaulted in a way.

00:22:54.000 No, I'm not trying to say words of violence.

00:22:56.000 Calm down.

00:22:58.000 I was just under, I felt like I was under attack all the time for things that I didn't do and things that I, from arguments that I had or accusations.

00:23:06.000 I'm like, I don't understand why I am being, this is being offloaded onto me at the time.

00:23:12.000 So I start researching and researching and researching because I truly believe, And essentially, like J.S. Mill says, he who understands only one side of the argument, not the other, understands a little of both.

00:23:26.000 And so even through all this, I had to come to the fact that as much as if you'd want to take that shallow diagnosis of Peterson...

00:23:38.000 It's the same as if you want to take a shallow diagnosis of Marxism.

00:23:42.000 These things aren't operating out of complete falsity.

00:23:46.000 They're not coming out of nowhere.

00:23:47.000 They're not built upon nothing.

00:23:50.000 There is truth being said in everything.

00:23:53.000 They're stemming from truth.

00:23:55.000 So if you read Marx, there is true critiques.

00:23:58.000 There's true things within it. 0.99

00:24:00.000 Now, where people often go wrong is they take a seed of truth and they plant a forest of bullshit. 0.78

00:24:08.000 So just because you can grow it doesn't mean you're necessarily like, I think, a bamboo. 0.52

00:24:13.000 So if you put bamboo in a lot of the places, especially in the Pacific Northwest or Western America, it depends on your climate zones.

00:24:23.000 We're not going to get into all that.

00:24:26.000 A lot of strains of bamboo will grow to the point that they can't be stopped.

00:24:30.000 They will grow through concrete.

00:24:32.000 They will grow through asphalt.

00:24:33.000 So if you're going to plant it, you have to plant it in steel boxes and concrete barriers and things to make sure that the bamboo stays only where it's supposed to be.

00:24:42.000 Otherwise, it's going to be fucking everywhere and it's going to out-compete and dominate everything else. 0.61

00:24:48.000 Now, planting the bamboo, great idea. 0.98

00:24:50.000 But if it goes nuts and destroys all your native flora... 1.00

00:24:55.000 Well, fuck. 1.00

00:24:56.000 That wasn't so great, now was it? 1.00

00:24:58.000 Right.

00:24:59.000 You know, great. 0.99

00:24:59.000 I hope you like bamboo because that's all you fucking got now. 0.99

00:25:01.000 Yeah, like there's truth in a lot of those philosophies in terms of they have a point. 0.97

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 But then when you apply it large scale and then you take into account human nature and how humans find ways to blame others for their own shortcomings and find ways to juke the system and then you wind up with a mess.

00:25:25.000 I don't know.

00:25:27.000 It's mostly an external look at everything.

00:25:57.000 The logistics it takes to keep some of these systems working and working accurately or as accurately as we can at times.

00:26:05.000 Something dumb like, I don't know, just making sure electricity gets to your house.

00:26:10.000 It's enormous. 0.99

00:26:12.000 It's unreal to think of.

00:26:13.000 People completely take that for granted.

00:26:15.000 A great micro version of what we're talking about is the Capitol Hill autonomous zone. 0.99

00:26:23.000 Which turned out to be a fucking disaster. 0.99

00:26:27.000 Hitting so close to home, Joe. 0.99

00:26:28.000 I'm from Ballard, yeah.

00:26:30.000 And you know, it's so interesting.

00:26:32.000 It's like, of course it would be on Capitol Hill.

00:26:34.000 I mean, that was like our little Haight-Ashbury of sorts.

00:26:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:26:38.000 But, you know, I thought Capitol Hill had really jumped the fucking shark a long time ago when I was reading an article about people wanting to be on Capitol Hill so bad that they were willing to live in shared living space scenarios where they're sharing bathrooms and kitchens and all this and paying stupid money for a room. 0.96

00:27:02.000 And I don't mean... 0.98

00:27:04.000 A room and a house.

00:27:05.000 I mean purpose-built habitation scenarios to do that. 0.98

00:27:10.000 And I'm just like, why the fuck do you want to live there that bad? 0.99

00:27:14.000 I mean, there's plenty of cool shit there, but there's plenty of cool shit all over Seattle. 0.99

00:27:17.000 What was it about Capitol Hill? 0.99

00:27:19.000 Because I'm not a Seattle guy.

00:27:21.000 It was just, you know, it was the...

00:27:25.000 Gay or LGBT, I guess now, as you would refer to it, epicenter. 1.00

00:27:29.000 There was a lot of, there had some head shop stuff.

00:27:32.000 It was just sort of a counterculture district, you know?

00:27:34.000 And I remember as a kid, you know, we'd go up there and go to the weird little stores.

00:27:38.000 I mean, that'd be the place where you want to buy some crystals and all that kind of stuff.

00:27:43.000 It would be there.

00:27:44.000 But it was a groovy, very densely cultural place.

00:27:49.000 And, you know, famous for a lot of things, you know, some things unfortunate, like Mia Zapata getting killed behind the Comet Tavern, but also for many, many great things, too.

00:27:59.000 But it would definitely be the place where you would see something like a Chaz pop up. 1.00

00:28:04.000 It's just that the separation from idea to reality was something like a Chaz, and it's always going to be this case. 1.00

00:28:13.000 It's always going to be just mountains in between the two.

00:28:16.000 The funniest part, I think, for me is watching that altercation video with Raz and his new police stating, we're the police now.

00:28:28.000 And the guy, in being...

00:28:46.000 You guys are doing exactly what you're complaining against.

00:28:51.000 They basically made all the worst aspects of a country.

00:28:55.000 They put up a border immediately.

00:28:56.000 They kept people from going, and they had no medical.

00:28:59.000 They had no police. 0.98

00:29:00.000 Their police was a bunch of thugs. 0.95

00:29:03.000 If something went wrong, they beat people up. 0.81

00:29:05.000 Attacked them, right?

00:29:05.000 One guy was filming things.

00:29:07.000 They didn't like him filming, so they beat his ass. 0.99

00:29:10.000 And there's a picture afterwards of Raz and the guy then embracing each other, which to one side, I'm thinking... 0.99

00:29:19.000 See, I fucking told you people, violence isn't the worst thing in the whole world.

00:29:23.000 Like, you know, to be perfectly honest, violence can bring people a lot closer together than you think. 0.98

00:29:28.000 You know, we've never trained together, but we know what it's like to train.

00:29:33.000 So there's already this inherent rapport between us.

00:29:37.000 And then the rapport between you and anybody that gets on the mat is almost sussed out immediately because you just cannot be on a...

00:29:45.000 In a situation like that and be living on persona alone.

00:29:48.000 You need to really be who you are.

00:29:50.000 And that might be a really great fighter.

00:29:52.000 It might be a really mediocre one.

00:29:53.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:29:55.000 Everybody is generally towards their purest self when put into that kind of scenario.

00:30:00.000 It is the Chuck, I can't say his last name, Palahniuk.

00:30:04.000 Yeah, Palahniuk.

00:30:06.000 He's been on the podcast.

00:30:07.000 He's awesome.

00:30:08.000 I listen to it.

00:30:09.000 He's a rad dude.

00:30:11.000 Palahniuk?

00:30:12.000 Palahniuk?

00:30:13.000 Okay.

00:30:14.000 And he, you know, that line about, you never know who you are until you've been in a fight.

00:30:18.000 Like, yeah.

00:30:20.000 It's true.

00:30:20.000 You really want to know who you are?

00:30:22.000 Get into a fight.

00:30:22.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 But watching that, you know, so the side of me is going, see, like, perhaps, you know, a little bit of fisticuffs could make things a little better, you know, especially if we're to talk about the law of mutual combat that exists in Washington.

00:30:35.000 Right, which is very weird.

00:30:36.000 Which I think should be national, to be perfectly honest.

00:30:39.000 The only problem I have with that is that they let people fight out on the street, which you should be aware that if you get KO'd, you might die.

00:30:48.000 I know.

00:30:48.000 Your head's gonna bounce off the concrete.

00:30:50.000 That has to be included in such a law.

00:30:52.000 You have to be like, look, you're taking your life into your own hands.

00:30:55.000 Legitimately.

00:30:56.000 If you're doing it out in the dirt...

00:30:58.000 I know, but we can't nerf the world that much.

00:31:01.000 We just can't.

00:31:01.000 It's just not possible.

00:31:02.000 And as much as we would love to think about the ideal scenario for everything, you can't.

00:31:08.000 There's always going to be that 1, 10, whatever.

00:31:12.000 It's just not possible.

00:31:14.000 And then you see Raz and this guy, and it's like, oh, it's all good.

00:31:17.000 But it's just like, well, but what if cops just got to just smack people all the time?

00:31:20.000 I mean, that's part of the problem with police issues in general, right?

00:31:25.000 Yes.

00:31:26.000 We can go on about...

00:31:27.000 I've seen...

00:31:28.000 You know, you get the arguments about stats from the FBI and about the shootings and unarmed shootings and all this kind of stuff. 0.99

00:31:36.000 But they don't have stats for how many times has a cop just beat someone's ass? 0.99

00:31:40.000 Right. 0.99

00:31:41.000 They don't have stats.

00:31:42.000 It's a lot.

00:31:43.000 Right.

00:31:45.000 But with the Chaz, this thing... 0.99

00:31:50.000 The saddest thing about all this, even besides...

00:31:55.000 I'll take an argument on this. 0.95

00:31:56.000 Even besides all the fucking property damage and just tearing everything up and obviously loss of life, right? 0.98

00:32:03.000 How many people got killed there? 0.99

00:32:05.000 At least two, right?

00:32:07.000 I think more.

00:32:08.000 Seven people died?

00:32:09.000 Seven.

00:32:09.000 Seven people are dead.

00:32:12.000 Should we have a drink to those people?

00:32:13.000 Yeah, we should.

00:32:14.000 We should absolutely have a drink to those people.

00:32:16.000 You have your own whiskey.

00:32:17.000 Yep, the Warmaster Edition. 1.00

00:32:18.000 How many bad motherfuckers have their own whiskey? 1.00

00:32:19.000 Yeah, a few. 0.99

00:32:21.000 A few, but we can get into my love of whiskey at some point here.

00:32:26.000 So seven people died?

00:32:27.000 Seven people died in Chaz, which is obviously awful.

00:32:31.000 That is crazy.

00:32:32.000 I didn't know it was that many.

00:32:33.000 But I guess where I'm going with this on what I think could possibly be the worst of all of this...

00:32:39.000 People not learning.

00:32:41.000 People not learning that it's not so easy to put societies together.

00:32:44.000 Right.

00:32:44.000 Small or large.

00:32:45.000 And even that one, it was basically you occupied, you basically did what everybody complains about the Founding Fathers do.

00:32:52.000 Correct.

00:32:52.000 You took over property and land that was held by other people.

00:32:57.000 You conquered a space.

00:32:58.000 Yeah, you conquered a space.

00:32:59.000 You conquered it.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 And you didn't even conquer it for very long.

00:33:02.000 Salad.

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:04.000 Salad.

00:33:11.000 Whoa, that's good.

00:33:12.000 115. Warbringer.

00:33:15.000 Mesquite smoked. 1.00

00:33:17.000 This is good shit, man. 0.99

00:33:18.000 It's a gold medal winner at the San Francisco International Spirits Competition. 1.00

00:33:23.000 I always think those people are drunk.

00:33:24.000 They don't know what it tastes like.

00:33:27.000 I was a judge for High Times once.

00:33:32.000 Well, that's a little different.

00:33:34.000 It was preposterous.

00:33:36.000 I don't know how guys...

00:33:38.000 I'll see Tony. 0.99

00:33:39.000 I go, how do you go up there and do this whole fucking shtick? 0.99

00:33:43.000 If you gave me any of that, I'm done. 0.99

00:33:46.000 I can't have a coherent conversation. 0.99

00:33:48.000 I would be unable to actually keep track of what the fuck anybody's talking about. 0.99

00:33:52.000 You get accustomed to it. 0.99

00:33:53.000 I guess.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, it is.

00:33:54.000 Marijuana, you build up a tolerance.

00:33:56.000 But there's some rough nights where it doesn't...

00:33:59.000 See, what it is is for working out.

00:34:03.000 What cannabis does is it allows you to have these possibilities that you can open these doors or not, but they're there.

00:34:12.000 If you're high, if you've been doing your act and you're doing stand-up four or five nights a week and you're really in the groove, you're honed, and you're not going to get thrown off by some pot, you know what you're talking about.

00:34:23.000 And especially if you smoke pot a lot.

00:34:25.000 But what pot does do is it gets you to these places where you might not have gotten before. 0.99

00:34:32.000 Like, you go, who the fuck is judging whiskey? 0.99

00:34:35.000 What are they doing? 0.99

00:34:38.000 And then off the cuff, on stage, you'll go into this place that maybe you wouldn't have gone into before.

00:34:45.000 Okay.

00:34:46.000 You'll find ideas.

00:34:48.000 So what I like about it is it opens up like a flower.

00:34:53.000 Take these ideas and they spread.

00:34:55.000 Not always, though.

00:34:57.000 It's a risky thing.

00:34:59.000 You just never know what's going to come with any sort of alteration to your mind state.

00:35:04.000 It also makes stand-up a little more dangerous, so it gets you a little scared, and that is also good because it opens up possibilities and it allows you to stay sharp because you're a little nervous.

00:35:17.000 I've been doing stand-up for 31 years.

00:35:19.000 When I go on stage, it's kind of normal.

00:35:21.000 Even last weekend I did the Houston Improv.

00:35:24.000 I hadn't done stand-up in 90 days.

00:35:26.000 But before I went up on stage, I'd listen to a lot of recordings.

00:35:28.000 I went over my notes.

00:35:29.000 I knew what I was doing.

00:35:30.000 And it was fun.

00:35:31.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:35:31.000 It wasn't terrifying.

00:35:33.000 But if I got really high before it, it would be fucking terrifying. 0.96

00:35:36.000 Dude, the idea of it terrifies the shit out of me. 0.96

00:35:39.000 I have material. 0.99

00:35:40.000 I got all kinds of shit. 0.98

00:35:41.000 But I'm just like, whoa... 0.99

00:35:43.000 That's hilarious.

00:35:44.000 A guy who's fought as many times as you, afraid to do stand-up.

00:35:47.000 One of the scariest things I ever did was the first time I ever sang on stage with a band.

00:35:51.000 And that was this band, Niall, a death metal band.

00:35:54.000 And so I'm friends with them.

00:35:55.000 Carl, you're the man.

00:35:57.000 But I'm sitting in the audience.

00:36:00.000 I'm there with my girlfriend at the time.

00:36:05.000 And we're at the House of Blues in Hollywood.

00:36:08.000 And he literally goes, Hey!

00:36:11.000 Josh Barnett's here, this, that, and the other.

00:36:13.000 And they put a spotlight on him and they go, he's going to come out and help us sing Black Seeds of Vengeance. 1.00

00:36:17.000 And I'm just like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:36:20.000 They didn't tell you before here? 1.00

00:36:21.000 No.

00:36:22.000 And so I'm just going, oh, okay.

00:36:26.000 So at some point...

00:36:28.000 Yeah, by the way, people fronting a band with a microphone, you have an inordinate amount of power.

00:36:35.000 Be careful about how you flex it.

00:36:36.000 So I go backstage, they come grab me, I'm just waiting, and I'm breaking out into a full sweat.

00:36:42.000 All I can think of is that my throat is going to close up, and only squeaks and weird mouse noises are going to come out. 0.99

00:36:48.000 And I'm just going, oh, fuck! 0.99

00:36:50.000 And I get up there, and I can't hear myself. 0.99

00:36:53.000 I'm doing my thing, and I get off stage, and I'm like, oh, that was pretty good. 0.99

00:36:59.000 I'm just losing my shit. 0.99

00:37:00.000 And he's like, what the... 0.99

00:37:00.000 I go, I have never been more scared in my entire life. 0.99

00:37:03.000 He's like, how are you afraid of being on stage and just singing when people are trying to kill you?

00:37:09.000 I go, honestly, fighting for my life feels good.

00:37:14.000 I'm not saying that that is the way most people should view things.

00:37:17.000 And I'm the believer that if you enjoy...

00:37:22.000 Delivering violence.

00:37:24.000 If you really are into it, then you also enjoy when violence is brought to you and the escalation that comes from it.

00:37:30.000 The feeling of, I don't know, I feel like they're, in your best mindset, there's a feeling of power that is derived from it.

00:37:39.000 I talked to...

00:37:40.000 God, we're going all over the place.

00:37:42.000 You might think we're already high.

00:37:44.000 Did you always feel like this, though?

00:37:46.000 Yes.

00:37:46.000 Before you go into...

00:37:47.000 I talked to...

00:37:47.000 Yes.

00:37:47.000 Did you feel like that when you first fight?

00:37:49.000 Yes.

00:37:50.000 How old were you when you had your first fight?

00:37:51.000 Like actual just fight?

00:37:53.000 Back when you were the baby-faced assassin.

00:37:54.000 My first fight was 19 years old.

00:37:57.000 I was... 0.88

00:37:58.000 On winter vacation from the University of Montana, one of my wrestling coaches called me up, and AMC Pancration was a pro gym that had pro fighters, and they were out there, and I knew of them, but this was 1996, so this shit was still real DIY, 0.89

00:38:16.000 sort of.

00:38:16.000 There wasn't really an avenue towards things.

00:38:20.000 I've talked to MMA people now.

00:38:23.000 They're like, you guys don't get it.

00:38:24.000 You don't know what it was like back then.

00:38:27.000 My old wrestling coach, he calls me up.

00:38:29.000 He goes, hey, I know you've been training.

00:38:30.000 I know you're into this.

00:38:31.000 There's an opening to fight this guy, Chris Charnos, on January whatever it was.

00:38:39.000 So it was 11 days.

00:38:40.000 I go, alright.

00:38:43.000 I go, oh, Chris Charnos, yeah, fought in Super Bowl.

00:38:45.000 He's pro, yeah?

00:38:46.000 Yeah, okay.

00:38:47.000 When?

00:38:48.000 Alright, 11 days.

00:38:49.000 I'll be there.

00:38:49.000 And that's it.

00:38:50.000 I just went and I trained with an old martial arts coach of mine.

00:38:55.000 Ran a little bit.

00:38:57.000 I was already training back in Montana over at Jim Harrison's Bushido Khan Karate.

00:39:02.000 Rest in peace, Sensei.

00:39:03.000 Much love.

00:39:04.000 But I'm like, yeah, cool.

00:39:08.000 I want to fight.

00:39:09.000 That's it.

00:39:09.000 I'm standing in line to go through the medicals.

00:39:13.000 And this other cat, he looks at me.

00:39:17.000 His name is also Chris, and he fought on that card.

00:39:20.000 And he goes, so where do you train, man?

00:39:22.000 I go, oh...

00:39:24.000 I train over in Montana, but also trained a bunch in this church basement.

00:39:28.000 And he just looks at me, he's like, cool.

00:39:33.000 Later he tells me, he goes, I thought you were going to die.

00:39:36.000 I thought this guy was just going to annihilate you.

00:39:37.000 Well, back in the day, there were guys that had no business being in there.

00:39:40.000 Oh, for sure.

00:39:41.000 And so I get in the ring.

00:39:43.000 I fight Chris.

00:39:44.000 I choke him unconscious in like two minutes.

00:39:47.000 And Matt gets in the ring and he goes, hey, we'd love to have you come back in the summer and fight again.

00:39:52.000 I'm like, all right, I'll be here.

00:39:54.000 And that was just a matter of I was so...

00:39:56.000 The funny thing is I was ready to get out there and amped to do it.

00:40:00.000 But even then...

00:40:01.000 When you get started, it felt like my first ever wrestling match to some degree, and everything kind of turned into tunnel vision.

00:40:07.000 And it's a strange feeling about how everything seems to be going a million miles an hour.

00:40:15.000 And you watch it back in reverse, and you're like, oh my god, there was actually a lot of time in between segment A to segment B. And I do remember my first wrestling match, especially because I fucking head and arm this guy who had already placed in the district.

00:40:30.000 So, or the city, whatever, in Metro, we call it. 0.94

00:40:33.000 He wrestled for Ingram.

00:40:35.000 I wish I could remember his name.

00:40:36.000 He's a cool cat.

00:40:38.000 But I threw him with a head and arm.

00:40:40.000 Boom.

00:40:40.000 And as I'm pinning him, I'm screaming.

00:40:43.000 Ah!

00:40:47.000 Had you ever screamed before when you were pinning somebody?

00:40:50.000 It was my first ever wrestling match.

00:40:52.000 Oh, there you go.

00:40:52.000 I'm just like, I get in there, I'm just, ah!

00:40:56.000 Ah! 0.64

00:40:57.000 And I throw him and pin him on his back. 0.98

00:40:59.000 Ah! 0.99

00:41:00.000 And I get the pin, I'm just like, what the fuck was that? 0.98

00:41:04.000 Everything going A-wire. 1.00

00:41:06.000 Keep your shit together, you know? 0.99

00:41:07.000 That's the crazy thing, right, about life, real life, normal life, and then competition, or chaos, or a fist fight. 1.00

00:41:18.000 There's a thing.

00:41:19.000 It's like you enter into a world where all of a sudden the sky looks a different color, your hands don't move the right way, you hesitate, you're thinking too much.

00:41:30.000 It's weird to watch people enter into that world for the first time.

00:41:34.000 I think that part of it, I would say, is that we're too disconnected from things associated to that state.

00:41:41.000 Not just danger, but just that- Chaos.

00:41:44.000 Chaos, too.

00:41:46.000 As I got more and more and more into philosophy, and I'm really heavily into Nietzsche.

00:41:52.000 In fact, that's actually how I even came across Jordan Peterson to begin with, was I was just looking for lectures on Nietzsche online.

00:41:58.000 And this is before any of his stuff with the pronouns and the bills and stuff.

00:42:03.000 No, this was just me listening to his university lectures.

00:42:05.000 That's all it was.

00:42:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:06.000 So you're OG. Yeah, real OG. Have you met him?

00:42:10.000 Never, no.

00:42:10.000 He's the nicest guy.

00:42:13.000 Or someone from his Twitter reached out to me at one point when his book came out and said, hey, we'd like to send you a copy.

00:42:21.000 And I go, yeah, sure, no problem.

00:42:23.000 And it was signed, John. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Fuck, that happened. 1.00

00:42:27.000 But I was like, in a way, that's kind of better. 1.00

00:42:31.000 But whatever.

00:42:32.000 So the guy named John signed it?

00:42:34.000 I don't know.

00:42:35.000 No, to John.

00:42:36.000 To John?

00:42:36.000 Instead of Josh.

00:42:37.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:42:38.000 So I don't... 1.00

00:42:39.000 Fuck, I don't know. 1.00

00:42:40.000 I know how that stuff goes. 1.00

00:42:43.000 So I'm sitting there, and as someone being so into Nietzsche, I started to look at it as, this is tapping into...

00:42:50.000 Like your highest state of being, so to speak.

00:42:54.000 So when I'm in the ring, I feel like...

00:42:58.000 Things that are attached to me from modern and general living are removed.

00:43:03.000 I feel like it is the most freeing, alive moment in my life.

00:43:09.000 And as I can look back, even to that wrestling match, even to getting into fistfights as a little kid, there was always something about me that was drawn to it.

00:43:16.000 Not just because I wanted to conquer and crush skulls, but that I literally...

00:43:22.000 I could not get enough of the feeling of aliveness from it.

00:43:26.000 And it wasn't just that it was dangerous.

00:43:28.000 It's beyond that.

00:43:29.000 It is, I think, more akin to people talking about that no mind state.

00:43:34.000 And of course, if you can operate in that state, well, then you might Michael Jordan yourself a night and look amazing.

00:43:39.000 But even when that isn't the case, if you can center your focus into being in that moment, Right.

00:43:57.000 Right.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, it's these moments where you're forced to live in the moment.

00:44:16.000 You have to.

00:44:17.000 There's no other way around it.

00:44:19.000 And everything requires so much attention and so much focus that when you go back to regular life, that's the thing that fighters have a really difficult time with.

00:44:27.000 Yes.

00:44:27.000 And people don't understand.

00:44:28.000 Why do they keep coming back?

00:44:30.000 Don't they know it's over?

00:44:31.000 Why don't they find other things to do?

00:44:32.000 Because there's nothing that's going to ring their bell like a fight.

00:44:36.000 There's nothing like getting up for a fight knowing that it's around the corner.

00:44:39.000 The anticipation.

00:44:40.000 You have to build a way out of fighting, so to speak, I believe, to try and really simplify it.

00:44:51.000 And remember, there was that clip just not that long ago of Mike Tyson talking about no longer being a fighter.

00:44:58.000 And he's broken into tears.

00:45:03.000 I was able to watch it once, kind of from afar, so to speak, but I couldn't watch it again.

00:45:09.000 I'm like, no, that's 100%. 0.58

00:45:13.000 I'm like, oh, I know this way too fucking much.

00:45:16.000 You're tugging on strings that I don't really want to play with right now that I already know of. 0.83

00:45:21.000 And It's just, yeah.

00:45:25.000 I don't expect that other people are always going to know what that's like, and that's okay.

00:45:29.000 When people say that they don't understand my affinity to violence, I'm like, okay, yeah, sure.

00:45:39.000 That makes total sense to me.

00:45:40.000 You're capable of it, by the way.

00:45:43.000 All of us are.

00:45:44.000 But not everybody's built the same to do the same things.

00:45:47.000 Just as much as my way of abstract thinking, if I sit down with Eric Weinstein, And he leaves me behind if he takes certain subjects.

00:45:55.000 I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm just going to be along for the ride because my brain can't operate on the same level in this fashion that you can.

00:46:03.000 But you haven't spent time in that realm.

00:46:04.000 Well, yeah.

00:46:06.000 Maybe I could become...

00:46:13.000 You would have to start all over.

00:46:15.000 You would have to start your life over.

00:46:18.000 Weinstein talks to me about that stuff and I'm like, okay, I don't know where you're going with this.

00:46:23.000 I don't even know what you're saying.

00:46:24.000 Yeah, so it was Eric I was talking to because he's always interested for my take on violence and how violence relates to humanity and how it relates to being.

00:46:35.000 I listened to his podcast with Jocko, and I would say, I mean, it was really great, and I've never met Jocko, but he sounds like a really awesome dude.

00:46:45.000 He's the best.

00:46:45.000 I'll connect you guys.

00:46:46.000 I would love to.

00:46:47.000 But I said to Eric, I go, one of the things that I saw that was kind of different here in the way that both me and Jocko seem to approach this is that he's so very clinical about it, very regimented, and I understand that because if he's In a military presence,

00:47:03.000 you can't just have a guy who's soaking himself in the enemy's blood and running around the battlefield screaming at the top of his lungs.

00:47:09.000 That doesn't help anyone.

00:47:11.000 Reveling in something like this isn't really a necessity in anything.

00:47:17.000 That is...

00:47:18.000 It's besides the point.

00:47:20.000 Especially in 2020. Yeah, especially in 2020 when they went after Gurkha soldiers, Nepalese soldiers who were sent on a kill mission to grab some sort of extremist.

00:47:34.000 And they were like, well, we want proof too.

00:47:37.000 So what do they do?

00:47:37.000 They pull out their cookery and take the dude's head off and bring it back.

00:47:40.000 And then they went and put that guy on trial for doing his job because we thought, oh, that's too much.

00:47:46.000 Too much proof.

00:47:49.000 It's death and war and violence.

00:47:52.000 What is too much?

00:47:54.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:47:54.000 I mean, what if his head had gotten cut off and stuck on a pike somewhere to be like, don't fuck with us? 1.00

00:48:00.000 The problem is how it appears to people that don't live in that world, right? 1.00

00:48:04.000 Yeah.

00:48:05.000 That's the problem.

00:48:06.000 Like, if a soldier kills someone and then they say, we need proof that you killed that person, they bring back a head. 1.00

00:48:13.000 And you go, hey, you fucked up now. 1.00

00:48:15.000 He brought back his head. 1.00

00:48:17.000 Like, well, what do you want me to do?

00:48:18.000 Bring back a picture of him dead?

00:48:20.000 That's not good enough. 0.98

00:48:21.000 You need the head.

00:48:23.000 Correct.

00:48:23.000 And also, I guess, to take on a tone that seems to be permeating the general sphere of consciousness in the West.

00:48:33.000 Oh, well, who are we to tell Gurkhas that they're not allowed to cut people's heads off? 1.00

00:48:37.000 Right. 0.63

00:48:38.000 That's their culture.

00:48:38.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 Don't do this, you know— They have that crazy knife, too, right?

00:48:43.000 Yeah, the cookery.

00:48:44.000 Yeah.

00:48:44.000 I own a cookery from Cold Steel, man, and that thing is one of my prized possessions.

00:48:51.000 Why do they shape it that way?

00:48:53.000 I don't know the history of why the blade takes on that shape, but I can say that the shape of the blade, the way it's designed, is— It's one of the greatest chopping devices you will ever come across because of the angle in the blade and the way that it widens out towards the tip. 0.98

00:49:11.000 It creates this belly of cutting pressure that when you swing that fucker, it just whacks right through anything. 0.96

00:49:19.000 Looks pretty dope, too. 0.99

00:49:24.000 Sand My 3 Cold Steel that has my logo on it.

00:49:28.000 Thank you, Andy and Lynn Thompson, for that one.

00:49:33.000 But it is arguably one of the baddest fighting knives ever created.

00:49:37.000 It's pretty dope.

00:49:38.000 It will take off pretty much anything.

00:49:40.000 Very old school.

00:49:41.000 That's the 19th century.

00:49:42.000 There's small ones that they make folders.

00:49:45.000 And Cold Steel has a small one called the Raja 3. And with that same blade design, they can just whack through...

00:49:53.000 A bunch of pork ribs or whatever.

00:49:56.000 Just take it apart.

00:49:57.000 And just boom, just explodes.

00:49:59.000 It's gone.

00:50:01.000 It's a weird shape.

00:50:02.000 But it's physics.

00:50:04.000 I'm sure Eric could sit down here.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, sure.

00:50:07.000 But it's interesting that it was not universally adopted.

00:50:10.000 Well, it has to do with a lot of different things.

00:50:12.000 I mean...

00:50:15.000 I'm trying to go back through my military hand-to-hand fighting books and stuff like that.

00:50:20.000 Think about the samurai blade, like the katana.

00:50:23.000 Well, it's curved too for being able to cut from horseback.

00:50:26.000 It's a great cutting blade as well.

00:50:28.000 But it's interesting that that blade was not recreated by other cultures.

00:50:32.000 Well, similar in...

00:50:35.000 Korea, they have a similar blade, too.

00:50:39.000 And theirs more resembles early style blades called Tachis, I believe.

00:50:48.000 And then the Chinese have the broadsword. 1.00

00:50:51.000 And then, of course, you have...

00:50:52.000 So they don't have the exact same design, I'll give you that.

00:50:54.000 With the way that they have designed the shape of the edge itself.

00:51:01.000 And the way that they refine their point with that sort of wedged tip.

00:51:07.000 But scimitars are curved also for their cutting ability and also for when you're on horse.

00:51:12.000 If you come by and you swing that curved blade, when it starts to make bite as you're continuing to go through, it transfers that energy across the blade in such a way that it doesn't tear your arm off your horse.

00:51:24.000 Imagine if there was a YouTube video of every person who ever died by the hand of a sword, just from the beginning of time, just chop, [... 0.99

00:51:33.000 You'd be like, what the fuck? 0.97

00:51:35.000 That's part of the problem with seeing things on video, right? 1.00

00:51:38.000 Like, you don't see all the life that was lived before that moment where someone was chopped.

00:51:42.000 You just see the chop.

00:51:44.000 You don't see the conversations.

00:51:45.000 You don't see the love.

00:51:46.000 Think about the UFC. Mm-hmm.

00:51:49.000 Guy goes out there, gal goes out there, fights, loses. 0.94

00:51:53.000 And then when people take up the position that, oh, from this moment on, oh, now they don't matter because...

00:52:00.000 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:52:01.000 Right.

00:52:01.000 That lady just won 30 fights in a row and never lost.

00:52:05.000 Now she sucks? 1.00

00:52:06.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:06.000 Now she sucks because she lost a fight. 1.00

00:52:08.000 Wow, that's the problem with our culture. 1.00

00:52:10.000 It is a culture thing, yes.

00:52:12.000 People are commenting that have no understanding...

00:52:15.000 Of what they're commenting on other than the actual act of a knee hitting a chin.

00:52:20.000 Like all the people that ragged on Ben Askren for getting knocked out.

00:52:24.000 Fastest UFC knockout by Jorge Masvidal.

00:52:26.000 Yes.

00:52:27.000 Dude, that guy endured it.

00:52:28.000 Today was the one year anniversary.

00:52:30.000 So I've been paying attention just to comments today. 0.99

00:52:34.000 Just like, God damn it. 0.99

00:52:35.000 You know, Ben likes to be a big mouth of sorts and he really loves to rile shit up. 0.99

00:52:41.000 But... 0.96

00:52:43.000 You know, even the better person, I don't necessarily even mean better than Ben, I just mean the better person as a general, has to look at that which, even if you dislike it, you hate the way Ben speaks and what he has to say, but that doesn't take away from what he's done.

00:53:00.000 I'm sorry.

00:53:00.000 His body of work stands on its own.

00:53:03.000 And you can think him a shitty person or God's greatest. 0.50

00:53:06.000 Go back and watch this fight with Douglas Lima, who we were talking about, who's one of the best fighters in the world. 0.97

00:53:11.000 He ragdolled Lima. 0.94

00:53:12.000 He ragdolled Koroshkov. 0.59

00:53:14.000 When he was the Bellator champion, I mean, they had a problem in that his style, no one could defeat him.

00:53:20.000 And it wasn't fun to watch for people who didn't like MMA. Unfortunately, Ben's finishing capabilities did not...

00:53:28.000 Did not grow or did not It didn't grow to the same level that his wrestling ability was.

00:53:37.000 But it did when he went to 1FC. It got much better, but...

00:53:40.000 Because they allowed him to do some shit you couldn't do over in Bellator, like knee a downed opponent in the head. 0.95

00:53:45.000 Sure, but I mean, Ben just should have been subbing guys left and right in Bellator, but he just didn't quite have it. 0.91

00:53:50.000 Now, and my opinion always was, at least from watching it, if you're this inventive of a funk wrestler in collegiate wrestling and what have you, in international wrestling, I know you could be a literal submission machine.

00:54:06.000 It had to be just approach, maybe pressure to just get those wins.

00:54:12.000 I mean, there is an issue with, I think, some of the wrestlers coming in and thinking about the game structure of wrestling and being like, okay, so if I win this five minutes, then I'll give him the next two minutes and then I'll take three minutes.

00:54:26.000 They're thinking about how to win a match.

00:54:28.000 Right.

00:54:29.000 Whereas I've never thought like, oh, you know, maybe if I... I'm like, I'm going to kill him. 0.98

00:54:34.000 And if someone doesn't come in to stop me, I'm just going to keep... 1.00

00:54:37.000 Like, fuck it, you know? 1.00

00:54:38.000 And if maybe his corner jumps in, then I'm going to kill him. 1.00

00:54:41.000 And then I'm going to just... 0.99

00:54:42.000 You know, it's just like...

00:54:42.000 I don't have any friends when I'm in the ring.

00:54:45.000 The only people I have are the people that have my back, that are in my corner, and that's it.

00:54:48.000 Everybody else is the enemy if they decide to get in front of me.

00:54:51.000 And that's...

00:54:52.000 The difference between a fighter's mentality and someone who's trying to win a match.

00:54:54.000 Correct.

00:54:55.000 And Ben Askren is...

00:54:59.000 Awesome.

00:54:59.000 He's been awesome at MMA. He was an awesome wrestler.

00:55:03.000 It's undisputable.

00:55:05.000 Another thing to take into consideration for people who are Ben Askren haters, Ben Askren needs a hip replacement, and he's needing one for a while. 0.93

00:55:12.000 His hip was pretty fucked up over the last year and a half of his career. 0.55

00:55:17.000 I think he's talking about it now, but he definitely talked about it to me. 1.00

00:55:21.000 It's fucked. 1.00

00:55:22.000 I have no doubt. 1.00

00:55:23.000 A lot of these wrestlers, Coleman, Mark Coleman got a hip replacement.

00:55:26.000 John Wayne Parr just got a hip replacement.

00:55:29.000 It's all over his Instagram.

00:55:31.000 He went and elected, I guess, to get what the shaved.

00:55:34.000 Which, obviously, as technique gets better.

00:55:37.000 One of my friends, someone you might even used to roll with, Victor Webster.

00:55:42.000 He got discs replaced in his back, and now he's back on the mats.

00:55:46.000 Yeah, Eddie Bravo got the same thing.

00:55:48.000 Exactly.

00:55:48.000 He trains with Eddie.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

00:55:50.000 He got a titanium, this articulating titanium disc instead of getting his back fused.

00:55:55.000 And Victor goes, I've never felt better.

00:55:58.000 That's amazing.

00:55:59.000 Eddie still has pain in his.

00:56:02.000 Nothing's 100%. 0.96

00:56:03.000 But I think Eddie fucked his back up so bad before he got it fixed. 0.98

00:56:07.000 Could be. 0.98

00:56:08.000 Like he was, all the edge of the bone itself was getting, you know how it frays out and you develop this extra bone?

00:56:15.000 Because your body's trying to fuse it itself.

00:56:18.000 Your body's trying to figure out what to do with all this inflammation.

00:56:20.000 Of course.

00:56:21.000 You know, that was the thing about Pat Miletic.

00:56:22.000 Pat Miletic didn't get his neck fused, but it fused itself.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 That's insane, but that body will do what it needs to do.

00:56:30.000 That's a hard man right there.

00:56:30.000 The body will do anything it needs to do to keep going.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, well, people actually reported that Pat Milicic had neck surgery.

00:56:37.000 So Pat Milicic had to spend all this money to get these MRIs done and x-rays to show, no, no, no, didn't get any neck surgery.

00:56:44.000 Because they were saying, but why are your discs like that? 0.96

00:56:47.000 They fucking fused together from combat. 0.97

00:56:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:50.000 And, you know, he's got a lot of atrophy in one of his arms, like Boss Rutten has.

00:56:55.000 Yeah, Benji Radek had a problem with that at one point, too.

00:56:58.000 And luckily, he was able to get it sorted out.

00:57:01.000 Yeah, Boss's right arm is obviously not its best anymore. 0.98

00:57:05.000 And that's, you know, fucking around with the spine. 0.91

00:57:08.000 Damaged around the spine is something that we really need to be super aware of. 0.98

00:57:13.000 But at the same time, Some things are just unavoidable.

00:57:19.000 It may happen, it may not.

00:57:20.000 You always, from the beginning of your career, you have always had a love for catch wrestling.

00:57:27.000 And catch wrestling, particularly the Carl Gotch school of catch wrestling, was very conditioning heavy.

00:57:33.000 Yes.

00:57:33.000 Very strength and conditioning heavy.

00:57:35.000 I mean, he was a big proponent of clubs.

00:57:37.000 Yes, maces.

00:57:38.000 I swing the mace.

00:57:39.000 Someone was asking me about, you know, do I have weights at my house?

00:57:42.000 I go, I have a 22-pound mace at my house.

00:57:47.000 And people are like, 22 pounds, bro.

00:57:49.000 I'm squatting 450. Yeah.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, they would think that that's not a good workout tool.

00:57:57.000 It sounds like, oh yeah, what's up with this thing?

00:57:59.000 And I'll tell people, like, no.

00:58:00.000 Do not try to swing this thing.

00:58:02.000 You're probably going to blow your elbows out if you don't know what you're doing.

00:58:04.000 Isn't that funny?

00:58:04.000 22 pounds.

00:58:05.000 They're like, get out of here with that.

00:58:06.000 If you go look up Yuko Miyato, there's videos of him swinging clubs.

00:58:11.000 And he's...

00:58:12.000 Probably 60-something now. 0.96

00:58:14.000 And he can still pick up a couple clubs and just start mealing the shit out of them. 0.85

00:58:18.000 Remember the Iron Sheik? 0.95

00:58:18.000 Yes. 0.95

00:58:19.000 Deep into his career.

00:58:20.000 Yes.

00:58:20.000 Those big-ass wooden clubs.

00:58:23.000 There's a video where Iron Sheik was doing call-outs at some event, right?

00:58:28.000 It was a promo thing.

00:58:30.000 Hey, you know, whoever the biggest, strongest guys are in here, come in here and see if you can swing these clubs like me.

00:58:34.000 And one of the guys that comes up there is the Ultimate Warrior.

00:58:36.000 There he goes. 0.99

00:58:36.000 And he couldn't fucking swing them. 0.99

00:58:38.000 No, man. 0.99

00:58:39.000 That's a very specific kind of strength that you have to develop.

00:58:43.000 Yes, and it's a strength coordination, the ability to move through all the planes of movement.

00:58:50.000 In fact, I did a whole ton of club and mace swinging in preparation to fight Frank Mir.

00:58:56.000 Look at this.

00:58:57.000 This is Precious Paul.

00:58:59.000 And look at Precious Paul.

00:59:00.000 That guy's a gorilla, too.

00:59:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:02.000 The size of this motherfucker. 1.00

00:59:03.000 He can do that, but he's not swinging him, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:59:05.000 He's just letting him go back and forth.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, the swinging, the shield cast is where it gets different.

00:59:11.000 Yes.

00:59:12.000 Yeah, it's much easier to do, to sit there and just go back and forth.

00:59:16.000 He's like, ah, two, down with America.

00:59:20.000 Yeah, and he's a guy who's really hurting.

00:59:23.000 I look at the ref who's like, Jesus, man, don't get bashed on this club.

00:59:26.000 Yeah, see the difference between the way he's doing it, that's that shield cast motion.

00:59:30.000 That's a very difficult motion.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, if you're into club and mace swinging, there's two people that I highly recommend.

00:59:38.000 One is Jake Shannon, the other one is Greg Walsh.

00:59:40.000 Those two guys are...

00:59:43.000 I mean, mace swinging and club swinging, especially mace swinging for Greg, are part and parcel to the entire foundational aspect of their training stuff.

00:59:53.000 Jake's a catch guy.

00:59:56.000 Greg's a physical fitness conditioning guy.

00:59:59.000 But I think the mace is a fantastic tool for building great strength.

01:00:04.000 It's wrestling related.

01:00:06.000 It's warrior related.

01:00:07.000 Didn't Carl have some crazy requirements that you had to achieve physically before you were able to train with him?

01:00:13.000 Yes. 1.00

01:00:13.000 And part of that was also to just keep idiots away. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:16.000 Just to keep the dummies away. 1.00

01:00:18.000 Because Carl was such an irascible dude.

01:00:20.000 But meeting Carl and getting to train a little bit under Carl made me feel like I met someone who may have been related to me in some way.

01:00:30.000 I felt like this guy was somehow part of my family, but I didn't know it for so long.

01:00:34.000 And yet I come from part of that lineage especially.

01:00:38.000 Yeah.

01:00:39.000 And we're sitting there, and these Japanese reporters have set this whole thing up.

01:00:44.000 And they're like, here, we're going to have Carl watch you fighting Minotaur.

01:00:49.000 All right.

01:00:49.000 And get his opinions.

01:00:50.000 And I'm just like, oh, God.

01:00:52.000 All right.

01:00:52.000 So Carl's watching this thing, and he's just making comments.

01:00:58.000 He's tearing into it, and he's being highly critical.

01:01:01.000 He'd say something.

01:01:02.000 He'd look at me.

01:01:03.000 He'd smile a little bit.

01:01:04.000 He'd say something.

01:01:05.000 And then we're all said and done.

01:01:06.000 And the Japanese reporters are just like, oh. 1.00

01:01:09.000 They're just losing their shit. 0.99

01:01:10.000 They're just like, oh God, this is not what we expected to happen. 1.00

01:01:14.000 They're just like, oh, how is this going to fall apart?

01:01:17.000 Carl just tore this guy a whole new one over this.

01:01:22.000 And Carl looks at me and he goes, what did I say?

01:01:25.000 Does that piss you off?

01:01:26.000 I looked at him and I went...

01:01:28.000 I don't care.

01:01:29.000 All I want, all that's important to me is to try and understand what it is from how you see it and see what I can do to take that and be better and to take your criticism and your eyes and your experience and the way you see it so that I can use it to make myself a better fighter.

01:01:45.000 And he looked at me and he just went, huh.

01:01:48.000 And then he just started showing me stuff and he would call me and give me workouts and see how I'm doing and Honestly, not being able to spend more time with Carl and even, to an extension, Billy Robinson, even though I got to train under him for years and years and years in Japan.

01:02:05.000 There was never enough time.

01:02:06.000 And Billy Robinson was the guy who worked with Sakuraba, right?

01:02:09.000 Billy Robinson worked with Sakuraba and all the UWFI fighters.

01:02:14.000 And Carl started with New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Tony Inoki brought him in there to be their head trainer.

01:02:20.000 And he's the one that prepped Inoki for Ali.

01:02:24.000 Wow.

01:02:26.000 Getting real rambunctious, and Carl just laughing, smiling, even though he knows that Inoki's been just handicapped, like, oh, you can't throw him, you can't put submissions on him, you can't do this, you can't do that. 1.00

01:02:39.000 But it's crazy that they allowed leg kicks.

01:02:42.000 They didn't think about it.

01:02:43.000 That's so funny.

01:02:44.000 They had no idea.

01:02:44.000 And the way he did it, too, from his back and from his side.

01:02:47.000 Great story.

01:02:49.000 I'm with Victor Webster, and we're hanging out.

01:02:52.000 And he's friends with Kenesha Norton, who is an absolute sweetheart, and so Ken Norton's daughter.

01:02:57.000 So we're hanging out at this coffee shop, and Kenesha comes by with her friend.

01:03:03.000 So me and Victor are there, and we're talking.

01:03:05.000 I'm wearing this t-shirt, and it's got Enoki on it.

01:03:08.000 Yeah, it's got Enoki on the shirt.

01:03:10.000 And the friend that comes with Kenesha goes, that's an interesting shirt.

01:03:16.000 I'm like, yeah.

01:03:17.000 I go, yeah, that guy put my dad in the hospital.

01:03:21.000 It was one of Ali's daughters.

01:03:22.000 Whoa.

01:03:23.000 From those leg kicks.

01:03:24.000 I'm all...

01:03:26.000 What?

01:03:28.000 Which daughter? 0.93

01:03:29.000 I don't remember.

01:03:30.000 I only met her the one time.

01:03:31.000 Wow.

01:03:32.000 But I know it wasn't Layla, obviously, because she's obviously out in the public all the time.

01:03:37.000 But Aaron, I should say in the public spotlight, but I was just like...

01:03:42.000 Yeah, those leg takes were horrible.

01:03:44.000 Yes, that did happen.

01:03:46.000 And I'm like, actually, and Oki is one of my mentors.

01:03:50.000 He's helped train me in professional wrestling and was part of the reason why I was in New Japan Pro Wrestling.

01:03:56.000 It's just such a crazy moment that they decided to actually do that match where Ali is there with boxing gloves on and Inoki is kicking him in the legs. 0.99

01:04:06.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

01:04:07.000 Ali was the champ then or no? 1.00

01:04:09.000 I don't know.

01:04:11.000 I don't know if he was a champ at that point.

01:04:12.000 I'm trying to remember where he was in his career.

01:04:15.000 What year was that?

01:04:17.000 It was in the 70s.

01:04:19.000 I'm pretty sure about that.

01:04:20.000 Gene LaBelle was the ref.

01:04:21.000 Wow!

01:04:24.000 It's some wild stuff.

01:04:26.000 But, you know, interesting enough, that was of an era where boxing still knew how dangerous wrestling was.

01:04:33.000 Because boxing and wrestling used to be really interconnected to itself and to each other.

01:04:38.000 And it wasn't actually until the Marquis de Queensberry rules where they started, they got rid of Wow!

01:04:57.000 Wow!

01:05:08.000 That's crazy.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, that's wild.

01:05:12.000 Now, here's the thing.

01:05:13.000 If Inoki would have been allowed to use submissions and all this kind of stuff, the match would have been done.

01:05:20.000 107 times.

01:05:22.000 Oh, my God.

01:05:23.000 Yep.

01:05:24.000 Wow.

01:05:25.000 Oh, and here's the other thing.

01:05:27.000 If Inoki didn't...

01:05:29.000 If he had worn gloves, then he could have punched, but what's the point of trying to box with Ali? 0.93

01:05:34.000 You know, there's no...

01:05:35.000 Well, it's amazing that Ali absorbed all those leg kicks.

01:05:40.000 Do you remember when cool Vince Phillips fought Masato?

01:05:43.000 Oh, yes.

01:05:44.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 There was a time where a guy who was pretty close to the top of his game, Vince was sliding a little bit.

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:51.000 But he was still up there.

01:05:52.000 Pretty close to the top of his game. 0.99

01:05:54.000 Fought Masato and Masato just lit his fucking legs up. 0.99

01:05:57.000 So Stitch was my... 0.99

01:06:00.000 He used to wrap my hands and do my cuts for all my pride stuff, everything.

01:06:04.000 So I brought Stitch with me from the UFC. And Stitch goes, yeah, he talked to Vince.

01:06:11.000 He said, don't do this.

01:06:13.000 You should not be in the ring with this guy.

01:06:15.000 You're a tough dude, but this is a different story because Stitch had trained Muay Thai in Thailand and all kinds of stuff.

01:06:20.000 So he's like, don't. 0.99

01:06:22.000 And Vince got his fucking femur cracked. 0.99

01:06:25.000 Oh my god, did he really? 0.99

01:06:26.000 Yes. 1.00

01:06:26.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:06:27.000 Yes. 1.00

01:06:28.000 From a leg kick?

01:06:29.000 Yes.

01:06:29.000 Or, you know, many leg kicks.

01:06:34.000 At that time, Masato was at the top of the food chain, though.

01:06:37.000 Masato was not...

01:06:38.000 He was in his prime.

01:06:39.000 Yeah, it's like, oh, well, he's not winning the K1 Max.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, but he's losing, like...

01:06:43.000 Bukow and Andy Sauer.

01:06:45.000 Yeah, I mean, that was a sharp thing. 0.99

01:06:48.000 They're all killers, man. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Killers. 1.00

01:06:49.000 That was a crazy time for that weight class, those size guys.

01:06:54.000 There were so many murderers.

01:06:56.000 I mean, that was Ramon Deckers.

01:06:58.000 That was those days.

01:06:59.000 God, that was a crazy time.

01:07:01.000 What an amazing thing to see such high-level artistry consistently, man.

01:07:08.000 Yeah, people don't understand what K1 had done.

01:07:12.000 Unfortunately, I heard that Glory's going bankrupt.

01:07:14.000 Yeah, I heard that too. 0.99

01:07:15.000 I mean, it's just so hard to keep any of this shit going right now. 0.99

01:07:18.000 Not right now. 1.00

01:07:18.000 Everything's fucked. 1.00

01:07:19.000 With COVID, everything's fucked. 1.00

01:07:21.000 That's such a bummer, though, man. 0.98

01:07:23.000 I am such a huge fan of high-level kickboxing.

01:07:27.000 And Muay Thai, like, you know, lion fights, I was always like, why are people not watching this?

01:07:32.000 I mean, what do they have to do?

01:07:34.000 It's just, everybody talks about the UFC and MMA, like the people that don't like grappling, like, oh, I hate it when they go to the ground.

01:07:40.000 I got a solution for you. 1.00

01:07:42.000 This shit never goes to the ground. 1.00

01:07:43.000 How about this? 1.00

01:07:44.000 Watch these guys.

01:07:45.000 But for whatever reason, it never caught on.

01:07:48.000 And I don't understand.

01:07:49.000 I'll at least put some blame on the UFC for even creating an audience that was like, oh, look when they go to the ground.

01:07:56.000 Because look at the first, I don't know.

01:07:59.000 Zuffa takes over.

01:08:01.000 How long have they been in charge now?

01:08:02.000 I don't know.

01:08:03.000 2001. 2001. So for probably the first 10 years of UFC, the highlight stuff around every event, around every promotional opportunity around UFC, what is it?

01:08:16.000 Knockouts, knockouts, knockouts, knockouts.

01:08:19.000 Everybody's getting primed to watch for knockouts.

01:08:21.000 And yet people are going to the ground and getting choked.

01:08:24.000 People are going to the ground and getting armbarred.

01:08:27.000 What are you telling him to like?

01:08:28.000 I think people were okay with people getting armbarred and choked.

01:08:31.000 What they didn't like is, like, Ben Askren beating Karshkov.

01:08:36.000 I mean...

01:08:36.000 Those kind of fights.

01:08:37.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a bit later, longer in the tooth, but also MMA... Certain later, but...

01:08:41.000 Like, everything...

01:08:43.000 Eventually goes towards what is incentivized and how you can game it.

01:08:47.000 For me, the way I look at MMA, I go five-minute rounds, no.

01:08:52.000 It gets too short anymore.

01:08:55.000 Everybody's too good of an athlete.

01:08:56.000 They know how to game the system.

01:08:58.000 Round-by-round scoring, no.

01:09:00.000 You got to get rid of that.

01:09:01.000 You got to get rid of the five-minute round.

01:09:03.000 You got to go at least probably six, maybe ten.

01:09:06.000 Don't you think there's also a problem in incentivizing people to just win because you have a win bonus?

01:09:12.000 Yes.

01:09:12.000 That win bonus I do not like.

01:09:14.000 I have said this from the beginning.

01:09:16.000 I just don't think it's fair.

01:09:18.000 First of all, if you're going to do a win bonus, you need to do something about the judging.

01:09:23.000 Yes.

01:09:23.000 Yes, 100%.

01:09:24.000 You need to have a better scoring system, and you need to get rid of incompetence, and then when you go to other states, you need to take control of the situation.

01:09:31.000 And accountability to the scoring, too.

01:09:33.000 In other states, it's dire.

01:09:35.000 And I don't want to name states, but there's been states where we do fights where I'm just going, who watched that fight?

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 I hear you.

01:09:41.000 How is this even possible?

01:09:43.000 People just get fucking robbed. 0.99

01:09:44.000 Yes. 0.98

01:09:45.000 So if you have win bonuses and, you know, if a guy comes in and he's getting 50, and then if he wins, he gets another 50, you stole $50,000 from that guy by giving him incompetent judging.

01:09:57.000 Yes.

01:09:57.000 And I don't...

01:09:58.000 If you're a fighter, you've got to do your best to win.

01:10:00.000 If that means take a guy down and hump him and throw enough punches to keep the referee from standing up, that's $50,000 for you.

01:10:06.000 Now add in...

01:10:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:08.000 By the way, you lose, we can just cut your contract.

01:10:10.000 Yep.

01:10:11.000 Yep.

01:10:11.000 And then you have to start from scratch.

01:10:13.000 No security.

01:10:13.000 Yep.

01:10:13.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:10:14.000 That doesn't help anybody, really.

01:10:16.000 And I would say a better system would be to have a win bonus and a finish bonus.

01:10:23.000 And the finish bonus would be double the win bonus.

01:10:25.000 I think no win bonus.

01:10:27.000 Finish bonus sounds great.

01:10:29.000 Finish bonus sounds great.

01:10:30.000 That's just going to entice people to fight harder.

01:10:33.000 Of course.

01:10:33.000 I want a fighter to know that if you're going to get X amount of dollars, this is what you're getting for that fight.

01:10:38.000 It's not that you're going to get half that because the judges are idiots. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Correct. 1.00

01:10:42.000 Yeah, no, I feel you there.

01:10:43.000 And that's a lot of ways the UFC style of pricing, which seems to be kind of the general model for MMA, is that you get $5 to fight and $5 to win for a guy that you might have paid him $8 to just fight.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, true.

01:11:02.000 And I understand the concept of a win bonus is incentivizing, but it only incentivizes to win.

01:11:07.000 It doesn't incentivize to finish.

01:11:08.000 It's a lot.

01:11:09.000 If the argument is...

01:11:10.000 It incentivizes those guys. 0.99

01:11:11.000 At the top level, guys are trying to fucking... 0.97

01:11:14.000 Have you ever not tried to win? 0.99

01:11:17.000 No.

01:11:17.000 No, but I'm not that...

01:11:18.000 I know people who tried to win...

01:11:22.000 I've been in fights with guys who are out there trying to just win the cards against me.

01:11:29.000 I've been in there with guys...

01:11:30.000 Win the cards against you?

01:11:31.000 Well, I mean, just like, oh, I need to win these rounds.

01:11:34.000 If I can't...

01:11:35.000 Oh, this guy seems like he's too tough to take out. 1.00

01:11:36.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:11:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:11:38.000 Just win the fight. 0.67

01:11:40.000 And I see it all the time.

01:11:41.000 I deal with it with my own fighters.

01:11:43.000 I go, you need to make sure that you really put a hurt on this person and make them want to call for God. 0.99

01:11:48.000 Because otherwise, if they get a chance, they're just going to try and get in control, ride this shit out. 0.99

01:11:53.000 Like, whoa, boy, that was dangerous. 0.99

01:11:55.000 Glad I made it through that.

01:11:56.000 Okay, cool.

01:11:58.000 Great, man.

01:11:58.000 That's not what anybody paid to go and see.

01:12:00.000 And I thought we came here to see who could win.

01:12:02.000 Who could finish a fight.

01:12:05.000 Finish a fight, yes. 0.98

01:12:06.000 I think finish bonuses is not a bad idea, but I think it should be a bonus, not like half of your fucking purse. 0.98

01:12:12.000 I agree. 0.96

01:12:13.000 It would be better if people...

01:12:14.000 Well, you pair that together with, say...

01:12:19.000 More dedicated contracts.

01:12:20.000 So if I'm running a company, if I hire somebody, if I put them on a long-term exclusive deal, I do it because I believe in them.

01:12:30.000 Now, there may be ups and downs and what have you, and I could make a mistake and I'll just have to take that.

01:12:35.000 But I want this individual to be able to go out there and give me absolutely everything they have and know that they're not going to be punished.

01:12:44.000 If they fall short.

01:12:46.000 And so I'm going to pay them appropriately.

01:12:48.000 Now, on the flip side of things, if I'm running something as big as the UFC, I'm going to just have a lot of one-off deals on the lower levels until I see that person that I think, I'm going to invest in this person.

01:13:00.000 And that's the thing.

01:13:01.000 There's skin in the game in that investment.

01:13:03.000 And there's skin in the game for them.

01:13:06.000 And that's where you're going to get the best responses out of people.

01:13:10.000 And that's where you're going to get their best efforts and their best energies.

01:13:12.000 And sometimes you're going to be wrong, but sometimes isn't all the time.

01:13:16.000 I'll take the exception to the rule as long as the rule is giving me what I need.

01:13:22.000 Yeah, I would at least like to see someone come along with an alternative take on how fighters are paid.

01:13:30.000 And we haven't really seen that.

01:13:32.000 Look, man, if someone wants to put me in a position to do that, I'll do it.

01:13:36.000 But nobody wants to.

01:13:38.000 And at the same time, nobody wants to create the proper accountability structure for judging, either.

01:13:44.000 Or even for some of these athletic commission apparatus, for all these things.

01:13:51.000 Which is, when you talk about Chaz and all these things and about universality, everybody, whether they're voting left, right, middle, doesn't matter.

01:14:01.000 Everybody, however they fall on any side of any of this shit, Everybody knows, and I think that part of this big protest slash riot at times slash what have you, is that everyone knows that a lot of these state and these bureaucratic structures aren't unaccountable. 0.57

01:14:18.000 They're not being held accountable. 0.89

01:14:21.000 And the ability to affect them, to make them accountable, is also minimal, if potentially impossible.

01:14:30.000 And then on top of that, What is the thing that you see as the apparatus that you interact with and interacts with you the most and directly?

01:14:40.000 The police.

01:14:43.000 So how do you relate that to athletic commissions?

01:14:47.000 Athletic commissions are in charge of how judges get trained, how people get licensed, how events are run, so all this stuff.

01:14:55.000 So if they fuck up or if these judges do a bad job or the referee is incompetent, Someone has to be accountable, right?

01:15:04.000 They're filtered. 0.99

01:15:05.000 They're never accountable.

01:15:06.000 They're hardly ever made to be accountable.

01:15:08.000 That is a good analogy then, right?

01:15:10.000 Because what you're seeing with the justice system, when people who live in the hood see police brutality over and over and over again and nothing ever happens, and then finally the world pays attention.

01:15:23.000 And it's really interesting how...

01:15:26.000 There's been many George Floyds, right?

01:15:28.000 Yes.

01:15:29.000 There's been many situations.

01:15:30.000 I mean, even the Eric Garner case in New York, which is equally egregious in terms of, like, what the actual crime was.

01:15:38.000 It was nothing.

01:15:39.000 Like, George Floyd was nothing.

01:15:42.000 Give him a ticket.

01:15:43.000 Right.

01:15:43.000 Whatever.

01:15:43.000 If you have to.

01:15:44.000 Or, you know what?

01:15:45.000 Maybe try having a conversation with him and just saying, like, dude, come on. 0.99

01:15:49.000 Well, the George Floyd one, too, is like a fucking fake $20 bill gets you in a cage. 0.98

01:15:55.000 And I realize that a counterfeit bill is a felony, whatever. 0.98

01:16:00.000 How are you going to prove that the guy did it?

01:16:01.000 I don't know.

01:16:02.000 You know, how you prove that he deliberately...

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 I mean, there's counterfeit bills in circulation that nobody knows about.

01:16:08.000 Somebody gave me a counterfeit $100 once.

01:16:10.000 See?

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:10.000 And I was looking, I was like, this seems fucking weird.

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:14.000 And then I don't remember how I figured out that it was an actual counterfeit $100.

01:16:19.000 I don't remember.

01:16:20.000 It was quite a while ago, more than 10 years ago.

01:16:22.000 But I remember looking at it like, it feels off. 0.60

01:16:25.000 But they can get pretty goddamn close. 0.53

01:16:27.000 It's true. 0.91

01:16:28.000 And if you're not paying attention, and wasn't George Floyd on drugs?

01:16:31.000 Yes.

01:16:32.000 I mean, they said he was high.

01:16:33.000 They say he was on potentially a variety of drugs. 0.97

01:16:36.000 So how the fuck is he going to pay attention to whether or not a bill is legit? 0.97

01:16:39.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:16:40.000 If you're whacked out.

01:16:41.000 You know, it's been really interesting to me to see people come out And try to – I don't know if they're necessarily trying to justify, but they're definitely taking the side of trying to demonize George.

01:16:54.000 And I'm like – because of his previous stuff about like the home invasion with the pointing a gun at a pregnant woman's belly or he's on drugs and what have you.

01:17:02.000 And I go, you know what?

01:17:04.000 You don't even realize this, but you just made the greatest argument for why he shouldn't be dead.

01:17:09.000 Because whether you've done something terrible or you've been the best person ever, you need to get the same amount of justice as anybody else.

01:17:20.000 Equal treatment under the law.

01:17:22.000 Equal treatment.

01:17:22.000 That you need to be, if you have to be put into cuffs or anything like that, if you have to be brought in, whether you did XYZ or you did the nicest thing ever and you just had this one slip up that was real...

01:17:34.000 It has to be the same across the board.

01:17:36.000 That is the great argument that why police have to be held far more accountable than your average citizenry. 1.00

01:17:45.000 And that means not to just Land a bunch of shit on top of their head and like, live up to this, you know, dumb fuck. 0.99

01:17:53.000 No, it's why you need to prepare them and help them and foster them to be able to be capable. 1.00

01:18:00.000 Like, who's ever going to be capable of doing anything if you don't give them the right support?

01:18:04.000 I can't send in some amateur, just started, whatever fighter to go out there and fight Ben Askren.

01:18:11.000 That's never going to... 0.99

01:18:12.000 I'm just going to get them murdered. 1.00

01:18:13.000 Like, they're not capable. 1.00

01:18:15.000 But I, you know...

01:18:16.000 Over time, maybe I can get them to the position and maybe they'll never be capable of being able to fight a Ben Askren, or maybe they're not capable of being a police officer, but also maybe they're not capable of being a lot of things, but there is something that they are capable for.

01:18:29.000 But when that leaves the realm of my responsibility, then that's a different story.

01:18:33.000 Well, when Jocko was on the podcast, and obviously Jocko has a deep level experience at training people in war, I mean, in training Navy SEALs, training the elite of the elite.

01:18:43.000 And he said they should be doing 20% of all their time on the job training.

01:18:49.000 20%.

01:18:49.000 I agree.

01:18:50.000 Because they train for a few hours when they first get the job, and then the rest of their life is just doing the job.

01:18:55.000 Yes.

01:18:55.000 He's like, that's crazy.

01:18:57.000 It is crazy.

01:18:57.000 There should be de-escalation training.

01:18:59.000 There should be psychological training, coaching.

01:19:01.000 You should be able to figure out how to handle a situation.

01:19:04.000 And when you see someone who's abusing someone, like the other cops that were around...

01:19:08.000 Step in.

01:19:09.000 Do something.

01:19:09.000 Step in.

01:19:10.000 You know, if a cop needs to put knees on necks for seven minutes on anyone, you're very incompetent.

01:19:17.000 And the thing is, it's not as if I can't understand and be sympathetic for how difficult a job that must be.

01:19:23.000 Right.

01:19:24.000 Okay?

01:19:25.000 But...

01:19:26.000 There is no way to have a rule of law society and proxy out your violence to another apparatus instead of you doing it yourself.

01:19:35.000 Without that apparatus fighting handicapped all the time. 1.00

01:19:39.000 It's just the way it has to be.

01:19:41.000 You know, the dude that freaked out, he was getting arrested and he was drunk at his car and what have you, and then he finds out he's actually going to be taken in for this DUI. Like, oh shit, steal the taser. 0.99

01:19:54.000 Okay, I get all that, but as soon as you fucked up and he got away and his back's due, you can't shoot him. 1.00

01:20:00.000 Sorry, you just can't shoot him. 0.99

01:20:01.000 Well, I think their point is that he was shooting the taser while he was turned around, and when they shot him, he was pointing the taser at them.

01:20:09.000 Yeah. 0.73

01:20:09.000 That's why you're shooting him in the back. 0.73

01:20:11.000 I get it.

01:20:12.000 But it was, what, two cops?

01:20:15.000 How many cops are there?

01:20:16.000 I believe there was two cops.

01:20:18.000 I don't know.

01:20:18.000 You got a partner.

01:20:19.000 Yeah.

01:20:20.000 Sorry, you got to trust him.

01:20:21.000 Don't blast this dude in the back. 1.00

01:20:23.000 Even when he shoots his fucking, the taser that he stole off you. 1.00

01:20:26.000 Eventually, you got his car. 1.00

01:20:29.000 You know who the fuck he is. 0.99

01:20:31.000 You'll just have to show up and be like, man, I know this is real bad. 0.99

01:20:35.000 And I'm sorry that it's real bad.

01:20:37.000 And I'm sure you never intended it to be this real bad.

01:20:40.000 But we got to do something.

01:20:42.000 Someone had a real good point that you shouldn't call the police for something like that in the first place.

01:20:46.000 Because the person is drunk and they're asleep in their car and there should be someone you can call where that person knows they're not going to get arrested.

01:20:54.000 Someone says, listen, man, we're going to get you an Uber.

01:20:55.000 We're good.

01:20:56.000 You're all right.

01:20:57.000 That's another part of this whole thing.

01:21:00.000 And this falls into all of this stuff. 0.99

01:21:04.000 We're constantly calling on the police to do fucking everything. 0.97

01:21:07.000 No one wants to just be responsible for their own life. 0.97

01:21:10.000 They don't want to take the agency of protecting their own things, standing up, being their own agent in the world. 0.99

01:21:17.000 They always are like, oh shit, something happens. 0.99

01:21:19.000 Call this person. 1.00

01:21:20.000 Call that person.

01:21:21.000 Always.

01:21:22.000 You've got a problem with someone at work.

01:21:24.000 Sit down, have a conversation with them. 1.00

01:21:26.000 No, no, fuck that. 1.00

01:21:27.000 Call HR. Call this. 1.00

01:21:29.000 Sue this person.

01:21:30.000 It's always, everybody wants to met out their responsibilities to something else.

01:21:36.000 Well, the system is structured that way.

01:21:37.000 I mean, if you are in an office and you have a dispute with someone and you sit down and want to talk to them person to person, you're putting yourself in a handicap.

01:21:45.000 If you have a real dispute with a person, like say if someone did something to you that you found questionable or against the rules, like you're incentivized to contact HR. Yeah, they really push that.

01:21:56.000 You're right, Joe.

01:21:57.000 And that's bureaucracy for you.

01:22:00.000 Bureaucracy will always grow.

01:22:02.000 Don't get a job.

01:22:03.000 That's what I say to people.

01:22:05.000 Someone needs to do those jobs, but it shouldn't be you.

01:22:07.000 Get out of there.

01:22:08.000 I'm not in the 9 to 5 for a good reason.

01:22:11.000 I've worked in environments of that nature with HRs and all that kind of stuff, working in tech and doing other things.

01:22:19.000 And I've done sales.

01:22:20.000 I've done menial stuff.

01:22:22.000 You're not structured for that.

01:22:23.000 No, I'm not.

01:22:25.000 I had some struggles with it.

01:22:27.000 I really did.

01:22:28.000 Most people aren't.

01:22:28.000 I mean, you neuter a person when you make them work in those environments, man or woman.

01:22:32.000 It's not natural.

01:22:34.000 No, it's not natural.

01:22:38.000 Cooperative ventures are fantastic.

01:22:39.000 As long as the cooperation is mutually beneficial and natural.

01:22:44.000 Correct. 0.99

01:22:44.000 Like, if you have two good friends and you're like, hey man, let's start a fucking motorcycle company together. 0.99

01:22:48.000 Let's make motorcycles. 0.97

01:22:49.000 And you're like, yay, let's do it.

01:22:51.000 And then you're doing it together and you're enjoying it.

01:22:53.000 Yeah, there's problems, but you enjoy communicating and working together.

01:22:58.000 If you're a person, you want to make a living, you have to join a cooperative venture that...

01:23:03.000 You know, you're in an office with people that you might not ever hang out with in real life. 1.00

01:23:08.000 And then when you get in coffee, some creepy fuck says some weird shit about your ass, and you're like, God damn it. 1.00

01:23:14.000 And you're a woman, and you have to deal with this, like, you're walking out to your car, and he's asking you to go to dinner with him or something. 1.00

01:23:20.000 You're like, this is bullshit. 0.99

01:23:21.000 This is not what I signed up for. 1.00

01:23:23.000 I just want to make a living.

01:23:24.000 Like, I get it from all points of view.

01:23:27.000 But at the same time, you would like to be able to think that if you can just go and say, hey, I'm not interested.

01:23:33.000 I would like that.

01:23:34.000 But if I was a woman, I would never believe that. 1.00

01:23:36.000 Guys are disgusting. 1.00

01:23:37.000 Guys are pretty disgusting. 1.00

01:23:38.000 And there's so many weak guys. 0.99

01:23:39.000 There's so many weak guys that would – when a woman will – like I was reading this thing about the Unabomber, about one of the things that happened with the Unabomber with his brother. 1.00

01:23:49.000 The brother had – He had to chastise the Unabomber, because the Unabomber, when Ted Kaczynski, he had this issue with a woman where he was interested in her, and she wasn't interested in him. 0.99

01:24:00.000 And when she wasn't interested in him anymore, he started leaving all these fucked up notes for her, saying horrible shit to her, and the brother had to like... 0.97

01:24:09.000 Like, that's real with men. 1.00

01:24:11.000 And for a woman, that shit's scary. 1.00

01:24:13.000 See, like, for a man, it's scary. 1.00

01:24:15.000 Like, oh, this bitch is going to slash my tires, or she's going to say I raped her, or she's going to make up a story about me. 1.00

01:24:21.000 I can get fired, I can get arrested. 1.00

01:24:23.000 That's scary for men, right?

01:24:24.000 Yeah.

01:24:24.000 But for a woman, they have to worry about their actual life.

01:24:27.000 Correct.

01:24:27.000 It's another level of scary.

01:24:30.000 Peterson's already laid this out.

01:24:31.000 Men are more agents of physical violence and action than women are. 1.00

01:24:38.000 Women are more character assassination, things like that, which completely makes sense. 1.00

01:24:45.000 But now you shove them in this environment together and you say, like, now don't allow anything to go sideways.

01:24:51.000 Right.

01:24:52.000 You know, it's hard enough for men and women to try and figure out how to interact with each other in a space to even get in each other's pants, to create anything of value.

01:25:02.000 I mean, it's just not easy.

01:25:03.000 Right.

01:25:03.000 And then you have office, like, people actually do wind up dating.

01:25:07.000 Yes. 0.99

01:25:07.000 Which is fucking crazy. 0.99

01:25:09.000 I mean, it's really typical, though, right? 0.99

01:25:11.000 Of course.

01:25:12.000 You're working together all day.

01:25:14.000 Or look at gyms.

01:25:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:16.000 Jesus Christ.

01:25:17.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:18.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 And then you're also dealing with, like, emotionally damaged people for the most part. 0.99

01:25:24.000 I mean, half of the people that are fighters are fucked up. 0.99

01:25:28.000 Fighters are an interesting... 0.99

01:25:30.000 And they keep it together through fighting. 0.99

01:25:32.000 I mean, it's not like they chose to be fucked up. 1.00

01:25:35.000 A lot of them are fucked up through physical and sexual abuse. 0.99

01:25:38.000 And that's what led them to fighting in the first place, too. 1.00

01:25:41.000 To try to exercise some of those demons.

01:25:43.000 And then you have them involved in relationships with each other.

01:25:46.000 And they're training together.

01:25:48.000 And then there's other guys around.

01:25:49.000 And then there's other girls around. 0.99

01:25:51.000 And then it's fucking madness. 0.99

01:25:53.000 There was some studies or there was at least something about how people were getting really into doing yoga. 0.99

01:26:00.000 And now all of a sudden all these people in yoga studies are fucking each other like mad. 0.99

01:26:04.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

01:26:04.000 And so – and they're like, well, what's happening is these people are getting into better shape. 0.97

01:26:09.000 Their testosterone is going up.

01:26:11.000 All these different things are happening.

01:26:12.000 I'm like – to me, I just thought, oh, so you started being more towards a more natural state of being, you know, being physical, being active.

01:26:21.000 Now, I understand that this is in a very controlled way.

01:26:26.000 It's not like you're running around trying to get an elk because if you don't, your tribe's going to die.

01:26:31.000 But people need to be active.

01:26:33.000 They just need to.

01:26:34.000 Also, in yoga, it's very sexual.

01:26:36.000 There is a big sexual aspect to yoga.

01:26:40.000 There are some sex-related.

01:26:42.000 And then there's, yeah, you get those tights that are made to lift and separate the butt cheeks and all this stuff. 1.00

01:26:50.000 Absolutely.

01:26:50.000 Besides that, there's just an intimacy in the fact that you're struggling together.

01:26:55.000 Like you've overcome this thing together.

01:26:57.000 Exactly.

01:26:57.000 And then you want to go out to lunch.

01:26:59.000 I look at that with martial arts training, too.

01:27:03.000 You guys are struggling together.

01:27:05.000 You're overcoming together.

01:27:06.000 You're both facing adversity, the same adversity, and dealing with it in your own ways.

01:27:11.000 And that creates camaraderie.

01:27:13.000 It really does.

01:27:14.000 And it can create an intense...

01:27:17.000 But that doesn't necessarily mean even that that can be sufficient or that relationship can then go towards something more long-term and firm, right?

01:27:30.000 Which, you know, we're so great at lying to ourselves and fooling ourselves all the time. 0.99

01:27:35.000 Like, oh, I'm so intense with this person and we hooked up and this and that and then you start getting together and then it's a shit show. 0.87

01:27:46.000 You know, because you thought that just because you guys had this one metric at which you guys were both very intense, that that would cover for everything else. 0.66

01:27:55.000 And it's like, well, no, that's not how relationships are built. 0.96

01:27:58.000 Humans have a lot of fucking things that need to be checked. 0.99

01:28:02.000 A lot of boxes. 0.99

01:28:03.000 Hey, there's a great website or a great YouTube that I send all of my friends and all of my fighters, for sure, called Academy of Ideas.

01:28:12.000 And this dude has these awesome lectures on all kinds of things dealing with life and current climate stuff and all these different things, but all taking pieces and building these lectures around philosophers and people.

01:28:29.000 Throughout historical, historically correct lens, or not historically correct, but, you know, going through papers and pieces by all these people throughout time.

01:28:38.000 And it's been really, you know, things like that.

01:28:42.000 I mean, we need things to help us with orientation in such an absurd world. 0.82

01:28:48.000 And we take for granted that things are just microphones and cameras, and I don't know how many tens of people are going to watch this because I'm on the show, but...

01:28:59.000 You know, I have this whiskey, right?

01:29:03.000 I love the shit out of it, but I'm not making a whiskey to be a celebrity with a product. 0.99

01:29:09.000 Otherwise, I'd have vodka because that's just a who-gives-a-shit-and-quality thing. 0.99

01:29:13.000 Is vodka the move? 1.00

01:29:14.000 Vodka's always the move because it's bullshit. 0.99

01:29:17.000 Is it really? 0.99

01:29:17.000 Vodka's just supposed to be odorless, tasteless, neutral grain alcohol. 0.99

01:29:22.000 Ooh, that's a good point. 1.00

01:29:22.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

01:29:23.000 And so you want to make your stupid vodka so you can be at bottle service and idiots are like, I'm going to buy this vodka. 1.00

01:29:29.000 It's like, I could get vodka for $14. 1.00

01:29:31.000 It's just as good as that. 1.00

01:29:32.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:29:34.000 Well, you could take vodka that's cheap and put it through a bunch of filters. 0.99

01:29:38.000 They put them through water filters and apparently you can make it taste really good.

01:29:43.000 Shout out to all the shysters.

01:29:45.000 Unless it's, depending on whether it's made from wheat or potato or triticale, whatever, right?

01:29:52.000 Like the grain base maybe might influence some of it.

01:29:55.000 But the standard definition for making vodka in the United States is odorless, tasteless, distilled at up to 180 proof.

01:30:07.000 I mean, come on.

01:30:08.000 You're not going to get that much different.

01:30:10.000 The only way that you could really fuck that up is if you really don't care about the process of fermentation that much.

01:30:16.000 You're just trying to get the product through and you're not that concerned with the source of ingredients.

01:30:20.000 So what is it?

01:30:21.000 It's like a name brand thing where people really get into like Tito's or something like that?

01:30:26.000 Yeah, well, you know, I would say research Rennie Girard and the medic desire for that kind of thing.

01:30:32.000 So you see somebody else is like, well, I have to have the, you know, Celebrity Vodka A because what have you.

01:30:39.000 And someone else goes, oh, oh, they like Celebrity Vodka A. Well, if they like Celebrity Vodka A, Celebrity Vodka A must be the vodka to buy.

01:30:46.000 And someone else sees that and then so on and so forth.

01:30:49.000 And now people are like, we have to have Celebrity Vodka A because it's what other people like.

01:30:53.000 I remember P. Diddy had a vodka, right?

01:30:55.000 Ciroc?

01:30:56.000 Ciroc.

01:30:56.000 It's still around.

01:30:57.000 His shit though, right? 1.00

01:30:58.000 It's whatever. 1.00

01:31:00.000 Why am I going to pay for Ciroc?

01:31:01.000 He was connected to it.

01:31:02.000 Yeah.

01:31:02.000 Because you want to look cool.

01:31:04.000 I could buy pretty much any low-tier regular vodka and get just as much out of it as any...

01:31:14.000 Right, but you're Josh Barnett.

01:31:15.000 If you're a knucklehead that's getting bottle service to oppress the ladies, you want to get something that's got a name brand. 1.00

01:31:22.000 You want to drive a Mercedes. 0.97

01:31:24.000 You want to wear an Armani.

01:31:26.000 Now that's a matter of, are you looking for external validation or own personal validation?

01:31:31.000 Is the job to get a bunch of people so that they're all partying with you?

01:31:37.000 Or is the job for them to seem as though you're specifically cooler because of the type of vodka you have?

01:31:43.000 Isn't it funny that the commercials that attract people to those particular products show these sort of superficial relationships?

01:31:51.000 They show someone popping the bottle.

01:31:53.000 They show all the other people looking at them.

01:31:56.000 Everybody looks like they've got a bunch of money.

01:31:58.000 Yes!

01:31:58.000 Yes, all that.

01:32:00.000 Yeah, they're building this archetype, this idealization.

01:32:04.000 But I'd say part of the problem with that is the ideal that they're pitching is a really...

01:32:11.000 It has to do with, okay, they're wearing an expensive suit.

01:32:17.000 Money doesn't give you any idea about the character of the person or the things, the value of it.

01:32:27.000 Before I got into bed with these guys to start making whiskey with them, I said, well, I got to be there to come and drink it.

01:32:34.000 I'm not going to put my name on anything that I don't like and that I'm not into.

01:32:39.000 Period.

01:32:39.000 Did they design it based on what you enjoy?

01:32:43.000 Well, they had a mesquite-smoked bourbon on the market called Warbringer.

01:32:47.000 And I came up and...

01:32:49.000 Hold on a second.

01:32:50.000 Listen to this, folks.

01:32:51.000 It's legit.

01:32:53.000 This is an actual 19th century bourbon bottle design, too.

01:32:58.000 So...

01:33:00.000 I came up there to drink that.

01:33:02.000 I came up there to try basically all the stuff that they had.

01:33:06.000 And I got to drink this rum that we're working on straight out of the barrel. 0.96

01:33:11.000 It was fucking unreal. 0.93

01:33:14.000 And from that I go, okay, we got something here. 0.98

01:33:16.000 And then I drink even their vodkas, the infusions they were doing with them.

01:33:21.000 Is that a chicken killing another chicken?

01:33:23.000 It is a chicken killing another chicken.

01:33:25.000 It is a blood oath level battle right there.

01:33:30.000 And I got talking to the head distiller, David, about my tastes in whiskey and what I was looking to do.

01:33:37.000 And we were already on the same path.

01:33:39.000 And so single barrel, cask strength.

01:33:43.000 This is batch two, which has a big dark chocolate note to it and a cherry finish.

01:33:49.000 How do you make a dark chocolate cherry finish note?

01:33:52.000 Well, for one, the ingredients.

01:33:53.000 First of all, I'm not smelling any chocolate.

01:33:55.000 I don't taste any chocolate.

01:33:56.000 You don't taste chocolate?

01:33:57.000 I smell the smoke, for sure.

01:33:59.000 Oh, for sure, but...

01:34:01.000 Leave your nose in it.

01:34:02.000 I can smell that dark chocolate element, that more bitter side of things. 1.00

01:34:05.000 I think I'm too stupid for that stuff. 0.99

01:34:07.000 No, I just think it's about... 0.99

01:34:09.000 Like when people do like, when they do wine...

01:34:10.000 I've been to a wine tasting before and they swam around like, this is very oaky.

01:34:16.000 I taste the tannins and I'm like...

01:34:18.000 Well, here's the thing is thinking...

01:34:20.000 So one of the people, a part of this company, Kat, she's a whiskey sommelier.

01:34:24.000 So when we asked for notes from her... 1.00

01:34:28.000 I'm like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:34:29.000 I am just blown away about all this stuff. 1.00

01:34:32.000 And I'll smell.

01:34:33.000 I'm like, yeah, I can kind of see that.

01:34:36.000 Oh, you're right there?

01:34:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:34:39.000 But ultimately...

01:34:43.000 You gotta just like it.

01:34:44.000 You smell what you smell.

01:34:45.000 You relate it to the things that you can relate it to, and that's it.

01:34:47.000 What are you gonna say, Jay?

01:34:48.000 What are you laughing at?

01:34:50.000 Working at restaurants for a long time, we had to do wine tastings, and one of the times the note they told us to look for was cat piss in the wine.

01:35:00.000 And I've never forgotten it.

01:35:01.000 I think about it every time someone mentions it.

01:35:03.000 That's an Ohio thing, bro.

01:35:06.000 I'm sure someone's going to be like, yeah, that's it.

01:35:08.000 This is a high-quality, pure-grade cat piss right here.

01:35:10.000 It's the flavor of it.

01:35:11.000 I mean, the smell, the ammonia, I have no idea, but it's always stuck out anytime you're in a summer setting.

01:35:15.000 That is the number one problem with having cats, man. 0.99

01:35:17.000 They fucking piss in a box in your house. 1.00

01:35:19.000 If you don't clean the box, they'll piss in your couch. 1.00

01:35:22.000 I've never had a cat that lived indoors.

01:35:24.000 Really?

01:35:25.000 Never.

01:35:25.000 My cats always go outdoors.

01:35:27.000 Those are murderers.

01:35:28.000 I know. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Cats that go outside are the most ruthless fucking animals. 1.00

01:35:32.000 And that's the only kind of cat I've ever had. 1.00

01:35:34.000 They are responsible for, in the bees, billions.

01:35:38.000 People don't know this, if they have cats and they think the cats are cute and they're adorable.

01:35:45.000 They are adorable.

01:35:45.000 But they're responsible for billions of mammals and billions of birds in the United States every year.

01:35:54.000 Yeah, cat pee.

01:35:55.000 Believe it or not, cat's pee is an aroma. 1.00

01:35:57.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:35:59.000 A high quality Sauvignon Blanc. 1.00

01:36:01.000 Funky and tangy smell.

01:36:04.000 If you're a cat person, it can be eerily similar to another odor which you find often come in contact.

01:36:11.000 Wow.

01:36:12.000 Okay, let's say it does have a cat pee note.

01:36:16.000 How is that going to encourage people to want to drink it?

01:36:19.000 What are you in the mood for?

01:36:20.000 You know, I think cat pee would go with this steak right now.

01:36:22.000 Cat's pee, Tim Aiken, master of wine.

01:36:26.000 Scatological tasting terms are comparatively... 1.00

01:36:29.000 Great burgundy smells of shit. 1.00

01:36:31.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:36:32.000 It's very weird. 1.00

01:36:33.000 It gets really weird.

01:36:35.000 That's how you know you've lost the plot. 0.99

01:36:36.000 You got so far that somebody goes, you know what, how do I... Fuck, I just sound like everybody else right now. 0.99

01:36:41.000 How do I turn this up a notch? 0.99

01:36:43.000 You know what?

01:36:43.000 I'm looking for cat pills.

01:36:44.000 This smells like...

01:36:46.000 Specific, like, Bangkok street food diarrhea.

01:36:50.000 Very specific.

01:36:51.000 This smells like, you know, a week-old yeast infection.

01:36:55.000 I'm looking at a porta potty from the 80s at a Guns N' Roses concert.

01:37:01.000 This smells like a payphone that's been in Skid Row in LA for the last 10 years.

01:37:10.000 Payphones.

01:37:11.000 Those used to be a thing.

01:37:11.000 I do have a description, though.

01:37:13.000 So we're in China, me and this fighter, Alyssa.

01:37:16.000 And I got Alyssa this fight in China prior to this whole tour I had set up. 0.98

01:37:25.000 So Alyssa Garcia is a 105-pound fighter of mine. 1.00

01:37:30.000 But I got her this fight at 115 in China. 1.00

01:37:31.000 Then I was shipping her to go train with... 0.88

01:37:36.000 Santian Noi, his Thai boxing gym.

01:37:39.000 That's John Wayne Parr's coach.

01:37:40.000 And then she was gonna then fly back to Tokyo, finish her camp.

01:37:44.000 I was gonna meet her and then she fights in Ryzen. 1.00

01:37:46.000 Or no, she fought in Deep.

01:37:47.000 So we're over there and we're being taken out to this big fancy dinner ahead of the event.

01:37:53.000 And the promoters there were in Shanghai.

01:37:56.000 It's all this big deal at this private room.

01:37:58.000 And I'm like, yeah, you know, I had some Chinese wine once.

01:38:01.000 It was awesome.

01:38:02.000 You know, I'm down to drink whatever you guys wanna drink.

01:38:04.000 I got the best stuff for you.

01:38:05.000 You just wait.

01:38:06.000 All right. 1.00

01:38:07.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:38:08.000 So we got these tiny little glasses, and what they're pouring in it is this stuff called Baiju, this Chinese wine, or this Chinese fermented liquor. 0.99

01:38:19.000 And I'm like, ooh, well, that's got a nose on it.

01:38:22.000 And I drank it, and I'm just like, ugh, what the...

01:38:28.000 But it's the kind of thing that – this is probably a pretty – this is a real expensive one they're telling me and they just keep pouring ones. 0.99

01:38:34.000 And at some point Alyssa goes, dude, I can smell that shit from here. 1.00

01:38:38.000 Why do you keep drinking? 1.00

01:38:39.000 And I go, do you think I'm going to be the guy to turn over and be like, yeah, this sucks. 0.99

01:38:45.000 I hate it too on your fancy booze. 0.90

01:38:51.000 And she goes, what's it taste like?

01:38:52.000 I go, okay.

01:38:54.000 This tastes like an old abandoned home that is being rained on for years.

01:38:59.000 And what you've done now is all this water has leaked through onto the floorboards.

01:39:03.000 These dirty floorboards have been pissed on and dead cats are on and all this kind of stuff.

01:39:08.000 And it's all gone through these floorboards.

01:39:10.000 And this water has been collected and it's been filtered out through a hobo's sock. 1.00

01:39:15.000 That's what this shit tastes like. 1.00

01:39:16.000 She goes... 1.00

01:39:17.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:39:18.000 I go, do you want one? 1.00

01:39:19.000 She's like, why would I ever do that?

01:39:21.000 I just didn't know what it's like.

01:39:22.000 I would take it.

01:39:23.000 I would say, pour me one of them babies.

01:39:25.000 How do we get that stuff here?

01:39:27.000 Oh, it's here.

01:39:27.000 It's here.

01:39:28.000 You can buy it.

01:39:29.000 You want me to bring some Baiju?

01:39:30.000 We're going to drink some Baiju together.

01:39:32.000 Oh, man.

01:39:32.000 Next time.

01:39:33.000 We're going to set it up.

01:39:35.000 I need to know.

01:39:37.000 It'll probably happen in Texas, though.

01:39:39.000 It's brutal.

01:39:39.000 I've heard people describe it as it tastes like something you clean a carburetor with.

01:39:44.000 It's fermented sorghum and other stuff.

01:39:49.000 There's some weird tastes that cultures have almost rituals with.

01:39:55.000 For Iceland, they're into that fermented shark.

01:40:00.000 Bourdain told me it was the single most disgusting food he ever ate.

01:40:04.000 I remember being on tour in Japan for New Japan Pro Wrestling and having...

01:40:08.000 So it's pretty common that as you go from town to town, you would then go out and you'd be taken out by sponsors for the town, the local sponsors or maybe whoever put the event on, what have you.

01:40:19.000 And so I'd get taken out to these restaurants and they would always order stuff like cow, intestines.

01:40:26.000 There's four different types that are raw or this or that.

01:40:29.000 And they're always...

01:40:31.000 I figure what they're trying to do is test me. 0.99

01:40:33.000 Like, see if you fucking eat this. 0.99

01:40:35.000 Does Mikey like it or what? 0.99

01:40:37.000 And so...

01:40:38.000 Yeah, you're probably the only person laughing at that one here.

01:40:41.000 I know.

01:40:41.000 We're old.

01:40:42.000 That's life cereal. 1.00

01:40:43.000 We're old as fuck. 1.00

01:40:43.000 That's life cereal from the 80s. 1.00

01:40:45.000 I remember being given something called chanja, which is a Korean dish, actually.

01:40:52.000 It's raw fish guts in a fermented, like a spicy soy paste.

01:40:59.000 Now, the spicy soy paste on its own is actually pretty good, and they use it in a lot of different stuff.

01:41:04.000 It might be considered gochujang.

01:41:06.000 I'm not sure.

01:41:07.000 But, you know, it's raw fish guts. 0.99

01:41:09.000 And so they bring this shit out and they're like, here, eat this! 1.00

01:41:12.000 I'm like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:41:14.000 So I'm like, but I ain't no bitch. 1.00

01:41:16.000 So I start eating this stuff and they're looking at me. 0.97

01:41:21.000 Do you like it?

01:41:24.000 No.

01:41:25.000 But, you know, I have to try it.

01:41:27.000 And the whole time I'm just thinking about this tastes like bait.

01:41:30.000 This tastes like whatever it was we were using to catch salmon growing up. 1.00

01:41:34.000 This tastes like fucking bait. 0.99

01:41:35.000 And I can't eat salmon egg either. 1.00

01:41:38.000 Like, it's just too briny, salty.

01:41:41.000 That's a weird one, right?

01:41:42.000 Salmon egg's a weird one.

01:41:43.000 Yeah, it's just super...

01:41:44.000 But I realized that, at least in this case, Japanese people's palate is... 0.93

01:41:49.000 More accustomed to these kind of really powerful, you know, something even similar across the board.

01:41:58.000 So a friend of mine is Ludo, Chef Ludo.

01:42:02.000 And we used to go to his Ludo Bites events.

01:42:05.000 And so I went to this one with my buddy and...

01:42:09.000 We get this uni something.

01:42:12.000 It was like lobster uni, whatever.

01:42:14.000 I love sea urchin.

01:42:16.000 It was so sea briny.

01:42:19.000 It was just the first bite, me and my buddy Tomo...

01:42:24.000 We go, oh, that's not so bad.

01:42:26.000 Second bite, it's like, okay, now we're already reaching maximum saturation on this. 0.97

01:42:30.000 Third bite, it's like, we can't fucking do it anymore. 0.91

01:42:32.000 And it was just overpowering us. 0.96

01:42:35.000 Like, our taste buds just couldn't handle it.

01:42:37.000 It wasn't that I would sit there and say that uni is bad.

01:42:41.000 It's just that I... Couldn't enjoy it.

01:42:45.000 Like, it was just too much for me.

01:42:47.000 And I tell Ludo, well, he goes, well, we have a huge Asian clientele that loves to come to these Ludo Bites and they love the uni-derived stuff.

01:42:54.000 I go, it must be just, you know, a palate thing.

01:42:57.000 It really must.

01:42:58.000 Because I just, I can't handle it.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, uni's a weird one.

01:43:02.000 Like, my kids are into a lot of weird food.

01:43:05.000 They'll try everything.

01:43:06.000 They love sushi.

01:43:07.000 They've eaten wild games since they were babies.

01:43:10.000 But I can't get them to eat sea urchin.

01:43:12.000 They think it's disgusting.

01:43:13.000 Do they just stomp around with, like, big giant fixed blade knives everywhere?

01:43:17.000 No, it's pretty normal.

01:43:19.000 Like, spiked...

01:43:19.000 Bracelets.

01:43:20.000 Well, in my head.

01:43:21.000 They're pretty normal for girls.

01:43:23.000 With a piece of Elton jerky hanging out of their mouth.

01:43:25.000 But they like to freak their friends out.

01:43:26.000 Like my daughter, when she was 10, her friend's like, what's your favorite food?

01:43:30.000 She goes, I like bear.

01:43:31.000 I like to eat bear.

01:43:32.000 They're like, what?

01:43:34.000 They're like looking at her like, are you serious?

01:43:36.000 She's like, yeah.

01:43:36.000 You ever have bear sausage?

01:43:37.000 It's amazing.

01:43:38.000 My dad makes bear candy.

01:43:42.000 They don't know what to do.

01:43:44.000 Average kid's never going to eat bear their whole life.

01:43:47.000 I've only had bear once.

01:43:48.000 I did like it.

01:43:49.000 Bear's good.

01:43:51.000 I've never had grizzly, but I've had a lot of black bear.

01:43:53.000 I have no idea what kind of bear this was.

01:43:55.000 I'm not too hip to the bear population or bear genus of...

01:44:02.000 Far East Russia.

01:44:04.000 Oh, Far East Russia? 0.64

01:44:06.000 I was in a banya, which is a very communal thing in Russia.

01:44:10.000 And so I'm in Khabarovsk, up in the far eastern north, where it's negative 30 degrees below at night.

01:44:21.000 And I'm up there, we're in this banya.

01:44:25.000 Explain the banya for folks.

01:44:26.000 A banya is basically just like a big sauna. 0.59

01:44:29.000 But it's a traditional setup where they have an oven with rocks and stone, and they will throw water over the stones and things like that.

01:44:41.000 It's not a dry one like a finish, but...

01:44:45.000 It's similar to any other sort of sauna setups as you can come across, but it's not a steam room.

01:44:49.000 And that's also famous for they have a process where they take these bundles of tree branches with leaves and everything on them and They'll use white oak, eucalyptus,

01:45:05.000 and put blends together.

01:45:07.000 And what they'll do is they'll take these two bundles, and they'll whip the air around you as you're sitting there.

01:45:13.000 They whack your body with it.

01:45:15.000 And these leaves, these bundles, are made of mostly fresh.

01:45:20.000 So they're still oils.

01:45:21.000 They're still live.

01:45:24.000 There's still elements within it.

01:45:26.000 It's not fully dried out or anything like that.

01:45:27.000 And so this thing is all being hit upon you, and they'll hit your feet, and they'll do all this kind of stuff.

01:45:33.000 To be honest. 0.98

01:45:34.000 So the first time I ever went through this, this guy is like beating my ass with these things. 0.98

01:45:38.000 And I'm just like, okay, I can get through this. 0.98

01:45:40.000 I know this has got to be healthy.

01:45:42.000 I've read the Wikipedia.

01:45:44.000 It sounds all great.

01:45:45.000 And I'm sitting there and you go through sessions, like three-minute sessions or whatever.

01:45:49.000 And I'm on the third one, which is towards the end.

01:45:51.000 And he's whacking away and he's whipping these things around me and circulating all this super hot air. 1.00

01:45:57.000 And I swear to God, my pale ass ass. 1.00

01:46:20.000 Why Japanese? 1.00

01:46:22.000 I don't fucking know. 0.99

01:46:25.000 I have no idea! 0.98

01:46:26.000 And I'm sitting here cooling off, and I'm like...

01:46:28.000 You spent so much time in Japan that...

01:46:29.000 Like, what the f...

01:46:30.000 What?

01:46:31.000 Did you not know any Russian?

01:46:33.000 No, I don't know.

01:46:34.000 So you just substituted for another language that you barely know?

01:46:36.000 I just...

01:46:37.000 My brain was in a different place, dude.

01:46:39.000 And as you can relate, when you're sitting in those things, and it's pretty fucking hot, and you're trying to get through it, like, sometimes you're just...

01:46:46.000 You're trying to get past this.

01:46:48.000 I would imagine the beating from the sticks is like the next level, right?

01:46:51.000 Because it's frustrating enough just dealing with the heat.

01:46:54.000 Well, think about it.

01:46:55.000 Right.

01:46:55.000 So you're sitting still, and maybe you're having a tough sauna session, and you're like, phew, okay.

01:47:00.000 If I don't move enough, I'll get through this.

01:47:03.000 Right. 1.00

01:47:03.000 Now this motherfucker is pretending to be a fucking helicopter, spinning around the room. 1.00

01:47:08.000 He's like a Beyonce fucking dance number, getting all this hot air blown all over you, like flying, caressing it up your taint, all this shit. 1.00

01:47:18.000 Whoa, really? 1.00

01:47:20.000 Dude, there's no way of stopping this.

01:47:22.000 Pfft.

01:47:24.000 Does he have towels or no towels?

01:47:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:27.000 Either or, man.

01:47:29.000 So you're lying face down, basically naked. 0.98

01:47:33.000 He's hitting your taint with this stick. 0.99

01:47:36.000 He's hitting your whole body, man. 0.78

01:47:37.000 Very rare that a man hits your taint with sticks. 0.74

01:47:39.000 Very rare.

01:47:40.000 I can say that it has had its...

01:47:44.000 It's got its enjoyable minutes.

01:47:45.000 Yeah, there's something to it.

01:47:46.000 There's a little something.

01:47:47.000 Taint, often really neglected part of the human body.

01:47:51.000 Super neglected.

01:47:51.000 I'm going to start the whole taint-specific movement around how you need to massage and stretch the taint.

01:48:00.000 I bet your taint is all locked up.

01:48:03.000 I bet the fascia around your taint is keeping you from being able to kick properly.

01:48:07.000 So anyways, I get through all this.

01:48:11.000 And they have a phone that goes right to the office.

01:48:16.000 And they have a menu and all this kind of stuff.

01:48:18.000 And people will bring food as well.

01:48:20.000 And usually like Samogon, which is Russian moonshine, which is essentially like vodka type stuff.

01:48:24.000 So they get hammered? 0.98

01:48:25.000 Oh, it's fucking great. 0.99

01:48:27.000 It's beautiful. 0.98

01:48:28.000 I love it.

01:48:29.000 And so pull up this menu, all in like Cyrillic, Russian, so... 0.99

01:48:33.000 Fuck, I don't know what any of this is. 0.96

01:48:35.000 And so I'm just sitting here like Google Translate. 0.99

01:48:38.000 You're trying to get this.

01:48:39.000 I don't know anything.

01:48:41.000 I can't communicate.

01:48:42.000 Are you getting cell phone service out there?

01:48:44.000 Well, I download the languages that I need when I'm in countries just in case that's the problem so I can get translation.

01:48:52.000 You use Android.

01:48:54.000 I do.

01:48:55.000 Is that better for that?

01:48:56.000 I think Google...

01:48:57.000 I couldn't say one of the other.

01:48:58.000 I think Google Translate works better on Android phones, I believe.

01:49:01.000 I mean, perhaps.

01:49:03.000 You have a Pixel?

01:49:04.000 No, I have Samsung.

01:49:08.000 What is this one?

01:49:09.000 Galaxy.

01:49:09.000 Galaxy S9 Edge X23. It's basically Elon Musk's next child's name.

01:49:17.000 How come you haven't switched over to iPhone?

01:49:19.000 You're resisting.

01:49:20.000 No.

01:49:21.000 No, never.

01:49:21.000 Not gonna do it.

01:49:22.000 I knew it. 1.00

01:49:22.000 Fuck that noise. 1.00

01:49:23.000 You also drive a manual transmission. 1.00

01:49:25.000 I should tell everybody this.

01:49:26.000 Yeah.

01:49:26.000 I drive a six-speed car.

01:49:27.000 Yeah.

01:49:28.000 No.

01:49:29.000 You're part of the resistance.

01:49:32.000 Yeah, hashtag.

01:49:34.000 It basically came down to the fact that Apple is too much in charge of your hardware and your software. 0.96

01:49:40.000 The minute the iPhone came out, I was like, cool phone, but you're telling me I've got to pay you more money to expand my memory or my storage capacity when I have a fucking memory card? 0.80

01:49:54.000 Do you think that I don't know if that exists? 1.00

01:49:56.000 Go fuck yourself, Jobs. 1.00

01:49:58.000 I know you're on this, but I feel like Joey Pants in The Matrix when he's eating a steak. 1.00

01:50:04.000 He's like, I want to be an important person over here.

01:50:07.000 He's willing to be in The Matrix and know he's in The Matrix as long as he gets a good experience.

01:50:13.000 I've gone to Android and I have an Android.

01:50:15.000 I have a Galaxy Note.

01:50:17.000 You were a Pixel guy too, yeah?

01:50:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:19.000 You liked your Pixel?

01:50:20.000 They're good.

01:50:21.000 They're good.

01:50:21.000 The problem is AirDrop.

01:50:23.000 Airdrop's an issue.

01:50:24.000 Airdrop's amazing.

01:50:25.000 And then the walled garden of Apple.

01:50:28.000 All my apps work together.

01:50:30.000 My notes sync up.

01:50:31.000 And I use other Note applications so that I can sync them up with my Android phone.

01:50:36.000 But the reality is the experience in iOS is better.

01:50:41.000 You know, I'm not here to say that the Apple...

01:50:46.000 It isn't creating things that are worthwhile to a degree.

01:50:49.000 It's just that I refuse to spend that kind of money to have a phone.

01:50:55.000 I just won't do it.

01:50:56.000 I get it.

01:50:56.000 This is an S9. I mean, this thing is...

01:50:58.000 Still good.

01:50:58.000 ...three years old.

01:50:59.000 It works just great.

01:51:00.000 I get it.

01:51:01.000 But here's my thought.

01:51:02.000 I was like, am I... Just by trying to be a rebel, am I having an inferior experience?

01:51:11.000 So I had to sit and think about it, and I realized I was.

01:51:14.000 I have an iPod Touch.

01:51:15.000 Oh, congratulations.

01:51:17.000 Besides that, and iTunes.

01:51:20.000 You can bring it to a museum.

01:51:24.000 I have no interest in having any Apple products.

01:51:27.000 Really?

01:51:28.000 I just...

01:51:28.000 I don't need them.

01:51:29.000 I use a laptop that's a Windows laptop, though.

01:51:33.000 I use Windows everything.

01:51:34.000 I use Windows everything.

01:51:35.000 Yeah, of course you do.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:36.000 You're a rebel.

01:51:37.000 Well, I also...

01:51:38.000 I mean, I remember when having to...

01:51:40.000 Man, I've had computers in my household since I don't know when.

01:51:43.000 I'm not like...

01:51:44.000 Not like some super programming geek or anything like that.

01:51:46.000 But I remember what it was like.

01:51:49.000 You had to operate things.

01:51:50.000 You had to learn how to use DOS and other operating systems before that.

01:51:53.000 Or using Unix-type based stuff to get on the internet and do things from the library back in the day.

01:52:00.000 So for me, I just want the ability to get what I need and to have the proper amount of storage as necessary.

01:52:08.000 And that's it.

01:52:09.000 My phone isn't for...

01:52:10.000 Holding music on it.

01:52:12.000 I have Spotify, which, by the way, I just took over what used to be the Adrenaline Workout Spotify playlist, and now it is the War Masters Workout.

01:52:21.000 Congratulations. 0.94

01:52:22.000 And so I put together 96, 97 songs for this playlist for people to just go absolutely fucking apeshit in the gym. 1.00

01:52:30.000 And get their shit done. 0.98

01:52:31.000 As a part of my Spotify deal, I am putting together Spotify workouts. 0.99

01:52:35.000 Hell yeah.

01:52:36.000 I have a cookout workout or a cookout playlist.

01:52:39.000 I have a workout playlist.

01:52:41.000 I have a bunch of different playlists.

01:52:42.000 I have a driving playlist.

01:52:44.000 Nice, nice.

01:52:45.000 Yeah, so I now, you have the War Masters workout.

01:52:48.000 So if you guys are out there and you want to be fueled by the incredibly powerful thing that is metal, if you want to get some serious gains.

01:52:58.000 I'm going to give you a preview.

01:53:05.000 That's it.

01:53:06.000 Yes.

01:53:08.000 We got a Monomarth, we got Behemoth, we got Bolt Thrower, we got Dissection.

01:53:12.000 Oh my goodness, there it is.

01:53:13.000 Yeah, there's me from the Every Time I Die show. 1.00

01:53:18.000 You're balancing some dude in your fucking head. 1.00

01:53:20.000 That guy's like over 200 pounds. 1.00

01:53:21.000 I threw people.

01:53:22.000 You had him on your head.

01:53:24.000 Oh, it doesn't end.

01:53:25.000 I threw like 50 people off the stage that night.

01:53:27.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:53:28.000 My buddy to the right, that's Andy Williams.

01:53:30.000 He's in AEW as a pro wrestler right now as well.

01:53:33.000 You see, you know, Keith, all the every time my guy goes.

01:53:36.000 Keith's up there just like, don't crush me while I'm up here trying to sing.

01:53:41.000 There's this chick who must have been this tiny little blonde thing who maybe weighed 110 pounds on her best day, who I chucked her once, and then she comes back. 1.00

01:53:53.000 She goes, I'm going to do it while holding this beer the whole fucking time. 0.98

01:53:56.000 And mind you, it was a can, but still... 0.98

01:53:59.000 I have a picture that I got from someone where she's launched into the air.

01:54:03.000 He'll have her beer.

01:54:05.000 She lands on the crowd.

01:54:06.000 And when she comes back to backstage, she goes, yeah, I didn't spill it.

01:54:09.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:54:10.000 You're a fucking champ. 1.00

01:54:12.000 Well, the only way it'd have to be a can. 1.00

01:54:14.000 Like, you wouldn't throw over the glass, would you?

01:54:16.000 No.

01:54:16.000 Uh-uh.

01:54:17.000 Nah, because the risk is too much.

01:54:19.000 You'd have to be a little drunk.

01:54:19.000 The risk is too much.

01:54:20.000 But there's moments where you're like, I want to roll the dice.

01:54:24.000 Yeah.

01:54:24.000 Throw her with a glass.

01:54:25.000 You know, no risk, no reward, man. 0.73

01:54:27.000 Maybe a shot glass.

01:54:28.000 I'll throw someone with a shot glass, right?

01:54:31.000 Because a shot glass is hard to break.

01:54:32.000 It's pretty hard to break, yeah.

01:54:33.000 But a beer, like a regular beer glass, that's pretty easy to break.

01:54:36.000 Oh, that thing would shatter pretty easily.

01:54:38.000 And a pit, man, that's bad news. 1.00

01:54:41.000 Bad fucking news. 0.99

01:54:43.000 But yeah, so I've taken over this Spotify playlist. 0.99

01:54:45.000 In fact, you know, I've been a really busy little fucker come COVID. People are like, oh man, how you doing? 0.93

01:54:51.000 I'm like, ha ha. 1.00

01:54:52.000 Busy as shit. 1.00

01:54:53.000 Well, that's good, man. 1.00

01:54:54.000 I launched a new website.

01:54:56.000 JoshBarnett.com is up and running.

01:54:58.000 We got the Spotify takeover that I just did where I'm running this War Masters workout playlist.

01:55:04.000 We got the whiskey stuff.

01:55:05.000 We have more whiskey projects in the works as well as rum.

01:55:09.000 We have our vodka of all things.

01:55:12.000 That's a sign of a man who adapts.

01:55:14.000 And you know, there's a challenge with...

01:55:16.000 I came on here a long time ago and I said, life gives you the opportunity to grow in as many ways as you want to choose to.

01:55:24.000 You didn't come out of the womb and just start shooting arrows.

01:55:28.000 It was something you decided you wanted to do.

01:55:30.000 And as you went through life, Joe Rogan's journey brought him to all these different things.

01:55:35.000 And from those, he acquired new things, new endeavors, but all these things required growth, required having to suck or whatever or deal with new things to begin with.

01:55:47.000 I'm learning how to distill.

01:55:49.000 Our head distiller's like, I want you running these runs from front...

01:55:52.000 I want you to learn how to do this from start to finish.

01:55:54.000 So you're part of the entire process?

01:55:56.000 I'm becoming a part of the entire process.

01:55:58.000 So even with this stuff...

01:55:59.000 Talk me through that.

01:56:00.000 So how does that work?

01:56:00.000 With this stuff, it started off with...

01:56:02.000 So we talked about what we were going to do as far as a whiskey was concerned and what we wanted it to resemble.

01:56:07.000 And by the way, it's mesquite smoked because this place is in Oxnard.

01:56:11.000 This is a Southwest-derived...

01:56:13.000 Variant on what you might think of even as like Islay scotches, which is peat smoked.

01:56:17.000 Well, we use mesquite because that's mesquite found in the southwest.

01:56:20.000 And we finish it in sherry cask.

01:56:23.000 So to give it that sweetness.

01:56:25.000 What do you start with?

01:56:26.000 We start with the first day of work.

01:56:28.000 You would take Gritz corn.

01:56:32.000 Gritz corn?

01:56:33.000 Gritz corn.

01:56:34.000 What is the difference between Gritz corn?

01:56:35.000 The quality of the corn kernels itself and the way they're cut.

01:56:40.000 To begin with, the way they're initially milled, which leaves them all in big kernels, but it exposes the sugars in such a way that when we go and we put it out there in the smoker, that this kernel of corn gets hit.

01:56:53.000 The smoke hits all of it and brings all these sugars to the surface.

01:56:56.000 So you start off with the grits corn, and then before anything happens, it goes into the smoker.

01:57:01.000 We smoke it.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, we smoke.

01:57:02.000 What kind of smoker?

01:57:04.000 It's something that he, David, who...

01:57:08.000 This guy, I'm not entirely sure if he has four PhDs or at least multiple PhDs and multiple degrees.

01:57:15.000 I don't know.

01:57:16.000 He used to be head of R&D at Procter& Gamble.

01:57:19.000 Really?

01:57:20.000 This guy is brilliant.

01:57:22.000 Bonkers brilliant. 0.99

01:57:24.000 In fact, one of my students, Mary, works in microbiology, so I want to bring her up to try and mentor under him a little bit and learn some shit. 0.99

01:57:33.000 Wow. 0.99

01:57:35.000 So...

01:57:35.000 Grits corn.

01:57:36.000 Grits corn.

01:57:37.000 Smoker.

01:57:37.000 Like a regular smoker?

01:57:38.000 No, it's built out of a giant, one of those big cargo containers.

01:57:44.000 What?

01:57:44.000 A shipping container.

01:57:46.000 A Grits corn cargo container smoke fest.

01:57:49.000 Yeah, so we're smoking Grits corn.

01:57:51.000 So this is a custom thing that he's built himself.

01:57:53.000 Correct, yeah.

01:57:54.000 So he's using actual wood.

01:57:55.000 Yes.

01:57:56.000 We use mesquite wood chips.

01:57:58.000 So he has some sort of side cart that he's chucking the wood into and the smoke is going into this cargo container.

01:58:05.000 Is there a video of this, Jamie?

01:58:07.000 It might be on the Warbringer Bourbon website.

01:58:12.000 It might be up there.

01:58:13.000 A picture of me shoveling.

01:58:15.000 So it was always Warbringer bourbon even before the Warmaster edition?

01:58:19.000 I think it was because it was Warbringer.

01:58:21.000 Alfred, one of the investors, came to me and said, hey, we could make this fucking thing that's going to, you know, Conor McGregor's got a whiskey in this. 0.97

01:58:28.000 And I go, hold on. 0.95

01:58:30.000 I'm not here to talk bad about Conor McGregor and what he's doing.

01:58:33.000 I don't care if my product and his product are different.

01:58:37.000 It's fine.

01:58:39.000 And I understand the marketing potential, but I'm a whiskey head. 0.99

01:58:44.000 I got into this shit living in Japan. 0.99

01:58:46.000 My family's always drank whiskey. 1.00

01:58:49.000 It's always been around us, but I really got deep into being a connoisseur of this shit living over in Japan. 1.00

01:58:55.000 And so... 0.97

01:58:56.000 I was actually actively searching to link up with a whiskey distillery.

01:59:01.000 There it is.

01:59:02.000 Yeah, there I am, shoveling mesquite chips, to create a whiskey.

01:59:07.000 And I know that there's like McConaughey and other people, and Slipknot has a whiskey.

01:59:12.000 Lots of people are doing different booze, but...

01:59:15.000 I really am involved in creating this.

01:59:19.000 McConaughey's got whiskey?

01:59:21.000 McConaughey's got a whiskey with Wild Turkey.

01:59:23.000 And Wild Turkey's a great distillery, man. 1.00

01:59:26.000 They make great shit. 0.99

01:59:27.000 Alright, alright blend? 1.00

01:59:28.000 Probably.

01:59:30.000 Well, because I'm sure it's good, but generally the celebrity route is to make something for the biggest audience possible.

01:59:38.000 Right.

01:59:39.000 Right? 1.00

01:59:41.000 I'm like, no, let's put out this big smoky motherfucker. 0.99

01:59:44.000 Some people are going to be like, I don't dig it. 0.99

01:59:46.000 It's fine. 1.00

01:59:47.000 But for the most part, those people can fuck off. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Most people, I've had people come back to me and say, this is the smoothest, best whiskey they've ever had. 1.00

01:59:58.000 It just makes me happy to bring...

02:00:00.000 That into their life.

02:00:02.000 Well, I love whiskey, and it's very good.

02:00:04.000 It's very good, and it's very unique.

02:00:06.000 The mesquite flavor is very unique.

02:00:08.000 Exactly.

02:00:08.000 Was that your idea?

02:00:09.000 No, that was David.

02:00:11.000 David came up with the original mesquite formula and all of this.

02:00:15.000 And then the other portion of the mash bill is malted rye.

02:00:22.000 So that goes into a mash, and the way he ferments it is...

02:00:27.000 Three times as long as a normal whiskey fermentation cycle.

02:00:30.000 So even if you get what's called the white dog, which is the stuff just coming off the still, it hasn't been barrel aged in any way.

02:00:37.000 And I sat there with this cat Will from Bourbon Review and we're drinking straight up. 0.98

02:00:42.000 This shit's smooth as hell at 160 proof. 0.98

02:00:46.000 And it's because of the—or 135, sorry. 0.99

02:00:50.000 It's because of the fermentation cycle and the fermentation that he—the yeast that he uses, all this.

02:00:56.000 And as this thing gets done, we had three barrels.

02:01:01.000 Three barrels to choose from.

02:01:02.000 And because it's a single-barrel product, you've got to choose them.

02:01:05.000 So I did—I tested every single barrel.

02:01:08.000 Took notes, did my deal.

02:01:10.000 And then we did a blind— And came back again, same day.

02:01:14.000 And I tested again and I chose the same barrel twice.

02:01:17.000 And so we went with barrel seven to be our initial release.

02:01:20.000 This is barrel eight.

02:01:22.000 And barrel nine was cycled back into normal Warbringer. 0.93

02:01:25.000 And then we've got another barrel sitting there ready to be put together because fucking batch one was done in like two months. 0.81

02:01:32.000 It was all sold out. 0.97

02:01:34.000 It won a gold medal.

02:01:35.000 It was gone.

02:01:36.000 So when you, is batch 7, batch barrel 7, barrel 8, do they have the same flavor?

02:01:42.000 No.

02:01:43.000 Oh my goodness.

02:01:44.000 So batch 1, which was barrel 7, is 109 proof.

02:01:48.000 That's this right here.

02:01:49.000 This is batch 2. This is barrel 8. Barrel 8. So this is different.

02:01:52.000 Yep.

02:01:53.000 And the difference is also in the proof?

02:01:56.000 Yes, in this case, yeah.

02:01:57.000 So once you stick it in the barrel, whatever happens, happens. 1.00

02:02:01.000 Right, this is real shit. 1.00

02:02:02.000 This is not some mass-produced nonsense. 1.00

02:02:03.000 No, when people say craft distillery or small batch, we get about anywhere from 210 to 230 bottles out of any one barrel. 0.99

02:02:13.000 And once it's gone, it's fucking gone. 0.98

02:02:16.000 That's good stuff, dude. 0.99

02:02:17.000 That's very good stuff.

02:02:19.000 I appreciate all that.

02:02:21.000 I appreciate everything you just said.

02:02:22.000 The fact they're doing it that way.

02:02:24.000 That's the thing is I've always tried to do everything that I do that way.

02:02:29.000 Because in a sense, if you take the concept of what is your word, your word is essentially the social credit on anything you do.

02:02:41.000 And if your word...

02:02:43.000 Doesn't have value, right? 0.94

02:02:44.000 If it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, if it isn't consistent, then no one's going to ever fucking believe you. 0.60

02:02:50.000 Well, when I'm endorsing things, that's an extension of my word. 0.99

02:02:55.000 So if I'm going to put bullshit out in the world that I don't fully invest in, then my word is going to get degraded.

02:03:05.000 So for even something like a whiskey, you could easily just merchandise it. 0.99

02:03:09.000 Like, who gives a fuck, right? 0.98

02:03:10.000 You could take that approach. 1.00

02:03:11.000 Or you could take the approach of every bottle of this shit that goes out and gets into someone's hands and touches their lips is an extension of me and my word. 0.99

02:03:21.000 And so it better hold up to it. 0.98

02:03:22.000 And if you don't like it, that's okay.

02:03:24.000 Like, that's fine.

02:03:25.000 It really is fine.

02:03:26.000 Everybody's got their own palate.

02:03:28.000 Yeah, but that's how you approach everything.

02:03:30.000 You're not a mass-produced guy.

02:03:32.000 I'm not, man. 1.00

02:03:33.000 That's why you're using that fucking Samsung phone. 1.00

02:03:35.000 Trying to fight the power. 1.00

02:03:38.000 My own little rebellion.

02:03:40.000 My own little protest.

02:03:41.000 Elvis was a hero to most.

02:03:43.000 You're out there fighting the power.

02:03:45.000 I love it. 1.00

02:03:46.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:03:47.000 Well, look, we need rebels. 1.00

02:03:49.000 Legit rebels.

02:03:49.000 For real, we do, man.

02:03:51.000 We do.

02:03:51.000 Today, in particular, it's so easy to get sucked up in the herd mentality.

02:03:56.000 Of course it is.

02:03:57.000 Nietzsche would say, a man goes into a crowd, he He comes in with one mind and gets rid of it and takes on another.

02:04:06.000 It's true.

02:04:08.000 There's a difference between the mindset of groups and the mindset of the individual.

02:04:15.000 I'm not one to be such a hardcore individualist where I think the individual is I mean, I believe it is the starting point of everything, but it's not the end point of everything.

02:04:26.000 And we're made to be social creatures.

02:04:29.000 Exiling somebody out of a tribe way back when was tantamount to basically giving them a death sentence.

02:04:35.000 And they've said that somebody being in isolation away from other people can, at a point, become more detrimental than even being an alcoholic.

02:04:45.000 I don't know how they came up with that metric, how that lined up per se, but I know that by not...

02:04:50.000 Being attached to not having proper interaction with others is degradation to your sense of being and it is incredibly harmful to you.

02:05:02.000 So we're made to be in groups and we're also made to be individuals.

02:05:06.000 Now, I would say that the makeup of what you bring into a group is also related to what you create as an individual.

02:05:13.000 If you come in as a fully formed, healthy, capable individual, then you're only going to be somebody who could potentially, as long as you can keep what's important about yourself, you're only going to be a benefit to such a group.

02:05:29.000 That's what's difficult for people, though, is to have what's called personal sovereignty, to be able to be yourself in a group.

02:05:37.000 It's very hard for people.

02:05:38.000 Yeah, and if a group does something, okay, great.

02:05:41.000 But if you're a part of that group, then you're accountable, too.

02:05:43.000 You can't just pass it off on to everyone else.

02:05:45.000 There's certainly a little bit of that, but it's also just keeping your ideas...

02:05:50.000 The same.

02:05:51.000 Or not.

02:05:52.000 Like, sometimes there's benefit to change.

02:05:54.000 I mean, there's benefit to recognizing that these ideas that you have, in a lot of cases, they're really just sort of a defense mechanism and they've sort of shielded you from growth.

02:06:05.000 And then maybe you run into new people that have new ideas and these ideas resonate with you in a different way and you go, Okay, well now I'm faced with this truth that I can't ignore, that my previous conceptions of the world were twisted in some sort of a way.

02:06:22.000 How often do you come across people that will fight you tooth and nail to the death to hold on to those preconceived notions?

02:06:28.000 A lot, man.

02:06:28.000 That's a real problem.

02:06:29.000 A simple one I came across was even involved with this COVID stuff was trying to talk to people about I don't know.

02:06:56.000 It's not subjective.

02:06:57.000 Viruses aren't subjective.

02:06:59.000 You can't play this game with that kind of thing. 0.67

02:07:02.000 And people would fight me tooth and fucking nail to defend the mainstream media over it. 0.70

02:07:09.000 And I'd go, look, here's example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Look at how they're all fucking wrong. 0.98

02:07:13.000 They're fucked up. 1.00

02:07:14.000 They're doing this. 1.00

02:07:15.000 They're politicizing.

02:07:16.000 They're doing all these different things for different reasons.

02:07:17.000 But none of it is really for your own...

02:07:20.000 Betterment of understanding and to be safer and healthier.

02:07:24.000 Or even just to say, we still don't know yet because we just don't have the data. 0.95

02:07:29.000 And people fight tooth and nail over this shit because there's so many people that use the current media apparatus as their mainstream sense-making apparatus. 0.97

02:07:39.000 And if you tear that away from them... 0.99

02:07:42.000 Now they have to sit back and go, what do I really know?

02:07:45.000 What is the reality of what I think truth is?

02:07:49.000 What is the metric upon understanding now that you've just shown me that...

02:07:55.000 And of course, even at its best, of course media is going to be faulty at times because it's just made up of people.

02:08:01.000 We're always going to be imperfect.

02:08:02.000 We're always going to make mistakes.

02:08:04.000 But there is no...

02:08:06.000 There's no admitting of mistakes anymore.

02:08:08.000 There's no saying, I was wrong.

02:08:10.000 We were wrong.

02:08:11.000 There's also a problem with mainstream media, and it's the same problem that we have with the police.

02:08:17.000 You're giving people an inordinate amount of power.

02:08:19.000 And when you give people that amount of power, they don't want to ever let it go.

02:08:24.000 And they don't ever want to say they're wrong, and they don't ever want to admit fault, and they don't ever want to open the door to nuance.

02:08:31.000 Correct. 0.99

02:08:32.000 And that's what you see with whether it's CNN or Fox News or any of these motherfuckers. 0.97

02:08:37.000 They have this idea that they've been selling you, whether it's this idea about Russia, whether it's the idea about COVID, whether it's the idea about Trump, whether it's the idea about Biden. 0.99

02:08:47.000 I mean, they're selling you some shit And it's very, very difficult to get an unbiased perspective on the world. 0.98

02:08:56.000 They came after you for no reason. 1.00

02:08:59.000 They would write all this kind of completely disingenuous, just narrative-driven bullshit around you. 0.77

02:09:06.000 A person who brings people on and has conversations and tries to flourish that idea of... 0.98

02:09:16.000 The marketplace of ideas, like having conversations and trying to earnestly and sincerely explore things and try to have a better grip on the world and try to better orient themselves towards just knowing and knowledge, in addition to even having a fucking good time about it, being here.

02:09:31.000 Well, it's a competitive thing too.

02:09:33.000 Of course it is.

02:09:33.000 When someone reaches a point where they're interacting with too many people and they have this potential to really influence things.

02:09:41.000 In terms of the political process, in terms of the way people view things, that becomes very dangerous for people that have a different perspective on things or people that are connected to a traditional machine.

02:09:55.000 True.

02:09:55.000 Whether it's newspapers or whether it's, you know, and I have friends in both those things.

02:10:01.000 Sure.

02:10:01.000 I have friends in media and I have friends, I have people that have apologized for things that other people have written.

02:10:06.000 I'm like, listen, man, this is part of the game.

02:10:08.000 You're not going to rattle me.

02:10:09.000 I'm okay.

02:10:10.000 I get it.

02:10:11.000 You're not sitting here saying that it's okay, but what you're saying is, I know what the landscape looks like.

02:10:17.000 I know what I expect.

02:10:18.000 I understand humans.

02:10:20.000 I understand why people would attack me, and I understand why you'd even look at very small things that are taken out of context and develop your own perception of me that's inaccurate.

02:10:32.000 I get it.

02:10:32.000 I'm not angry about it.

02:10:34.000 Correct.

02:10:34.000 But I don't I don't want it to be any different.

02:10:41.000 This is what's fucked up. 0.98

02:10:43.000 I kind of like the madness of it. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I really do.

02:10:48.000 I know what you feel.

02:10:51.000 On a personal level, I can relate to that, yes. 0.57

02:10:53.000 If this world was logical, a person like me wouldn't have no place where someone just comes from doing some live stream on a fucking laptop and then ten years later has hundreds of millions of downloads. 0.85

02:11:06.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.83

02:11:07.000 I don't know.

02:11:07.000 I think you're tapping into something that is universal.

02:11:11.000 I think that, you know, when it comes to like...

02:11:15.000 I love studying history and religion because those are some of the oldest insights into the way people think and the way people act.

02:11:24.000 And within these frameworks are tons of Windows into human thought process and psychology.

02:11:34.000 And it's the same.

02:11:35.000 None of it has changed over the oldest religious texts, the oldest historical things we can find, the stories that exist, the myths, all these things. 0.99

02:11:43.000 This is the same shit over and over and over again. 0.88

02:11:45.000 The first time I ever saw that was reading the Hagakure and seeing that the complaints and the issues, the criticisms that this monk, who was a former samurai, had of his current era in the 19th century, the same criticisms and problems and the same... 1.00

02:12:00.000 Yeah.

02:12:13.000 I think? 0.94

02:12:33.000 I don't buy that concept at all because history would look so much radically different, but it fucking doesn't. 0.90

02:12:39.000 And I've written you so many times, and at times whoever has your old number, who's probably incredibly confused about what the fuck is this guy talking about, but about how I think a person like you is critical. 0.84

02:12:57.000 Towards the interaction of the current paradigm is.

02:13:03.000 You are a necessity.

02:13:05.000 Because right, wrong, whatever your personal opinion is, is whatever, it's the fact of creating the ability for people to get out here and speak.

02:13:13.000 Nobody ever had...

02:13:15.000 Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders in a place to feel more open. 0.98

02:13:21.000 And I'll say as politicians, they probably were as open as they could be, but they're fucking politicians in this current paradigm of the Western politician. 0.99

02:13:32.000 Who knows how legitimately sincere any of those fuckers are. 0.99

02:13:36.000 This has been probably the only place that you could have had someone like that and allowed it to that window into their least politician self. 0.99

02:13:46.000 I got to sit here and listen to Andrew Yang talk about UBI and be like, nah, dude, I don't fucking buy it.

02:13:55.000 I like you. 0.54

02:13:56.000 You know? 0.98

02:13:57.000 I fucking like you. 0.99

02:13:58.000 I like you. 0.99

02:14:00.000 Or it's just a matter of not being so pent up on, oh God, well my narrative, my ideology, my fucking, I gotta tribalize all this into such a degree that I have to tear down everything else around me so that mine can exist. 0.59

02:14:14.000 And that even goes with this bourbon or anything I do. 0.53

02:14:18.000 Like, I don't need to cut other things down for mine to rise to, for other people to enjoy it.

02:14:25.000 You don't have to tear apart the mainstream media for yours to exist.

02:14:34.000 Mind you, the mainstream media tries to destroy you all the time.

02:14:38.000 But I think it's just players in the media.

02:14:41.000 The media itself is just a pathway for people to express themselves.

02:14:45.000 It's very limited.

02:14:46.000 I would say the media, among a lot of things, like there is a good for a term that I really like.

02:14:52.000 It's called managerial elites.

02:14:53.000 And so most things are big bureaucratic structures that have managers.

02:15:01.000 And it's just all managers everywhere.

02:15:03.000 They're all operating into that human resource paradigm that we talked about earlier.

02:15:07.000 It's all flawed.

02:15:10.000 Managers don't usually create anything.

02:15:13.000 And this is not to say that managers aren't an important thing.

02:15:15.000 I think managers are very important.

02:15:18.000 How many times has anybody worked in a place where they have management that is so divorced from the creative or from the actuality of creating a product or whatever the job role is and yet these people are making decisions all the time?

02:15:36.000 And bleeding into telling people how to do their job instead of managing people to be able to be best at their job.

02:15:43.000 Well, they're invested in it as well because they have mortgages and they have bills and they want the money to keep rolling in.

02:15:49.000 So their idea is to make sure that whatever this thing that they're doing, whether it's a newspaper or whether it's a television show, they want to make sure that they stay in the most wide mainstream of lanes.

02:16:03.000 It's going to bring in the most money.

02:16:05.000 And that's the weird part about media in general, is that it's motivated by people that are trying to seek a profit.

02:16:13.000 That's what they're doing.

02:16:14.000 And there's a giant machine behind them.

02:16:16.000 We have two video editors and Jamie.

02:16:19.000 That's the whole deal.

02:16:21.000 And you can't...

02:16:24.000 This wouldn't exist any other way.

02:16:28.000 If you had more people, you would have like, well, you need a more diverse group of people working here.

02:16:34.000 Oh, you need to hire this.

02:16:36.000 You don't support trans people.

02:16:38.000 Where's your money going?

02:16:39.000 That's an assumption.

02:16:40.000 That's putting bad faith on you.

02:16:41.000 That's thinking that as if... 0.50

02:16:44.000 Somebody who is trans or what have you might show up for a job that you need filled, and somehow you'd be like, well, because you're trans, you can't... 1.00

02:16:52.000 No, if they're capable of doing the job, you hire the fucking person. 0.97

02:16:55.000 I agree, but the way it looks in terms of optics, people feel like they need to hire X amount of Asian people and X amount of this people, and there's a weird... 0.99

02:17:07.000 It's just a really bad heuristic.

02:17:09.000 That's all that is.

02:17:10.000 It's a horrible heuristic saying that the makeup of somebody's external or the external makeup of a company somehow has any real indication of its actual quality and character.

02:17:24.000 Well, it's the lack of diversity is an assumption of prejudice.

02:17:28.000 Correct.

02:17:28.000 That's what it is.

02:17:29.000 Like, if you have a writing group, like, if you're on a sitcom...

02:17:35.000 I am just going to say this because it's true.

02:17:37.000 The majority is going to be white males that are Jewish.

02:17:41.000 Those are the writers on sitcoms.

02:17:43.000 And they're really good at it. 0.99

02:17:45.000 I mean, there's a whole fucking culture attached to it. 0.99

02:17:48.000 It doesn't mean that an Asian woman can't be a great sitcom writer. 0.99

02:17:53.000 Full on.

02:17:54.000 Yeah, but it's a thing where...

02:17:57.000 In many of these businesses, there's a tradition of hiring a certain kind of people because they've been very effective at it.

02:18:04.000 But there's also, in a lot of these places, a meritocracy.

02:18:08.000 Is there a boys club in a lot of these places?

02:18:10.000 Yeah, there is.

02:18:11.000 Are they hiring their friends?

02:18:13.000 For sure.

02:18:13.000 Is it harder to get in in some of these places if you're someone different?

02:18:18.000 I would imagine so.

02:18:19.000 I would imagine so.

02:18:20.000 There's all these different scenarios that can lay themselves out.

02:18:23.000 Some of it can even be perhaps the aggressiveness of men towards acquiring certain positions versus maybe a more subtle approach a woman might take.

02:18:35.000 That's the argument about why women don't make as much money. 1.00

02:18:37.000 That is the argument. 0.99

02:18:39.000 One of the things I like about when Peterson brings that up is, and people always neglect this, is he goes, It almost seems as if really that perhaps women are just fucking smarter than us. 0.99

02:18:51.000 Like they're just saner. 0.99

02:18:52.000 They're like, oh, why be a maniac that only lives for this job?

02:18:56.000 Instead, how about I be a person that does all these other fulfilling things in their life instead of driving myself into this insane, near single-minded obsession?

02:19:08.000 Right.

02:19:08.000 That's the only metric that we're judging success by is money.

02:19:12.000 Correct.

02:19:13.000 Money and social status inside of a corporation, right?

02:19:16.000 Money is a great tool, clearly.

02:19:17.000 It can do a lot of things for people. 0.98

02:19:19.000 And it's a lot easier to exchange money with people than to exchange livestock, fucking, I don't know, giant buildings and pieces of stone. 0.99

02:19:28.000 What are you going to fucking carry around? 0.99

02:19:30.000 A bunch of pieces of gold on you? 0.99

02:19:32.000 I mean, come on.

02:19:33.000 A bill is probably the simplest solution to creating ways of barter.

02:19:39.000 Oh, for sure.

02:19:40.000 But I mean, really, what we're talking about is happiness.

02:19:43.000 Yeah.

02:19:43.000 Happiness isn't about the things you own.

02:19:45.000 It's so difficult to measure.

02:19:46.000 Yeah.

02:19:46.000 Well, I mean, think of how happy someone might be buying something versus if you actually built it.

02:19:51.000 Or think about how happy someone might be if they have this, like, really powerful career, but they don't have a family.

02:19:57.000 Versus someone who does have a family and doesn't have any career, really.

02:20:01.000 They just make enough living to get by, but they love being around their tribe.

02:20:06.000 I keep telling people, like, there's two people that I really idealize.

02:20:13.000 I don't even know if they know this.

02:20:14.000 So Bill and Wanda Goldberg and Michael Jai White and Gillian.

02:20:20.000 There are two couples with families that I look at them and I think, this is proof that this is a thing that is creatable.

02:20:31.000 You can have a beautiful, amazing family and have a great relationship and you can continue to create and make great things and you can really have it all.

02:20:43.000 It really is possible.

02:20:44.000 And I look at that and that's what I want.

02:20:46.000 I want family.

02:20:47.000 I want to be able to create my own sort of tribe around that from a familial sense.

02:20:54.000 And I want to bring a child into the world and pass along all that has been given, and I say given, to me by all these amazing people and all the amazing relationships and experiences that I've acquired throughout life.

02:21:07.000 And I try to do that with my so-called quote-unquote kids, my students.

02:21:12.000 And I impart these This lineage down to them, these experiences, this knowledge, I give to them, and I give to my friends, and I do as much as I can to keep the flame alive.

02:21:23.000 Are you trying to tell me you got baby fever?

02:21:25.000 That's what I'm hearing.

02:21:26.000 Have you found a gal that you're ready to shoot a live one into? 0.98

02:21:30.000 You know, there's always practice.

02:21:32.000 Practice is fun.

02:21:33.000 Practice is fun.

02:21:34.000 I don't want to fuck this moment up.

02:21:35.000 Are you done fighting 100%?

02:21:37.000 No.

02:21:38.000 No?

02:21:38.000 No.

02:21:38.000 How old do you know?

02:21:39.000 42. When do you think you'll be done?

02:21:41.000 When I'm done.

02:21:42.000 Just when you're done?

02:21:43.000 When I'm done.

02:21:43.000 I don't know what that window is.

02:21:45.000 I just know that I've got some fights left in me.

02:21:47.000 You're still signed with Bellator?

02:21:48.000 Still signed.

02:21:49.000 And what is the...

02:21:51.000 They don't have a timeline for...

02:21:52.000 They have nothing going on right now.

02:21:53.000 No, nothing that I know of.

02:21:54.000 Isn't it interesting?

02:21:55.000 Like, why have they decided to not do events without an audience?

02:21:57.000 I don't know.

02:21:58.000 Because...

02:21:59.000 Well, I guess they need the gate.

02:22:00.000 I personally would love to even run, like...

02:22:03.000 People have talked to me about running my blood sport events.

02:22:06.000 My pro wrestling stuff that I've been doing.

02:22:08.000 And me and GCW could easily put together a blood sport event with no audience...

02:22:14.000 And as long as we got the revenue to do so, we'll make a killer event.

02:22:20.000 We don't need an audience for what we create.

02:22:22.000 And the UFC has done a great job in the way they have been handling, testing, and putting people in.

02:22:30.000 One of my best friend, Eric Hammer, Eric Arabello, he trains and works with Spike.

02:22:43.000 It's pretty rigorous.

02:22:48.000 You know, hats off to the UFC for keeping people employed.

02:22:52.000 And this isn't to knock at Bellator either, because I'm sure they have their reason and their rationale for running their business the way that they do.

02:23:00.000 But the UFC found a way that they could create the opportunity to keep people working, so to speak.

02:23:07.000 I think it's great.

02:23:09.000 I'm glad that they're doing it.

02:23:10.000 And the testing is very rigorous, and it works.

02:23:13.000 I mean, we had a great fight this weekend that got canceled.

02:23:16.000 Gilbert Burns was supposed to fight Kamaru Usman, but they had Masvidal waiting in the wings, luckily.

02:23:24.000 I mean, I don't know how much Masvidal has been training.

02:23:26.000 I don't know what the...

02:23:27.000 But he took it.

02:23:28.000 He took the gig.

02:23:30.000 Very exciting.

02:23:31.000 Props to them, and I'm...

02:23:33.000 It's a bummer.

02:23:34.000 The only other fighter, yeah, it's a bummer for Gilbert, but he'll be back.

02:23:37.000 Yeah, it's a bummer for Gilbert.

02:23:38.000 As long as he's healthy, he can come back.

02:23:39.000 I actually thought it was a little quick for Gilbert to be getting right back in after five hard rounds with Tyron Woodley.

02:23:45.000 I mean, that was just a couple of weeks ago.

02:23:46.000 Yeah, perhaps.

02:23:47.000 Or maybe five weeks ago, six weeks ago, whatever it was.

02:23:51.000 But the fights without a crowd are really exciting.

02:23:55.000 It's real weird, man.

02:23:56.000 I personally would probably love it.

02:23:59.000 I love the quietness in Japan when I fight. 0.99

02:24:02.000 I think it's the best.

02:24:04.000 Yeah, we should explain that.

02:24:05.000 I've only done one UFC in Japan, but it's amazing how polite the audience was.

02:24:09.000 They would really clap and applaud at strange things, too, like someone escaping from half guard.

02:24:15.000 Well, they're just so well-educated.

02:24:16.000 Combat sports is such an integrated part of Japanese culture, be it doing judo or karate or something like that, just in grade school or middle school.

02:24:25.000 I remember watching someone pass the guard and everyone, oh, clap.

02:24:30.000 They know what they're looking at.

02:24:31.000 Wow, that's crazy.

02:24:31.000 They know what matters.

02:24:33.000 Yeah, they really do.

02:24:34.000 And, you know, there's sometimes I really love the raucous nature and energy of an American crowd.

02:24:42.000 But I think... 0.98

02:24:44.000 At least for myself, I just don't give a shit about anything else but going to war at that moment. 0.98

02:24:51.000 I don't care about the crowd. 0.99

02:24:53.000 I don't care about anything. 1.00

02:24:55.000 All I want to do is fucking kill. 1.00

02:24:58.000 There's something wild about watching it when you're right there and there's no crowd because you could hear the huffing and puffing. 1.00

02:25:06.000 You could hear the shit talk. 0.99

02:25:08.000 You can hear the smack of a body shot. 1.00

02:25:10.000 You hear the smack of shins when they check. 1.00

02:25:13.000 It's a different experience, man, and I don't think it's better.

02:25:17.000 You don't think it's better? 0.74

02:25:19.000 No, no, no, because there's something about a Conor McGregor fight at the fucking sold-out T-Mobile Arena where everybody goes apeshit and Sinead O'Connor singing and there's blue smoke everywhere or green smoke everywhere. 0.93

02:25:30.000 There's something wild about that, too, where it's a spectacle. 0.71

02:25:34.000 But there's something uniquely raw about these Apex fights, where they have them at the Apex Center, and the one we did won in Florida as well.

02:25:43.000 There's something uniquely raw about no crowd.

02:25:46.000 Intimacy versus intensity. 0.99

02:25:48.000 Yeah, I don't know, but man, there's a lot of fucking intensity. 0.99

02:25:51.000 Like, that Tyron Woodley-Gilbert Burns fight was fucking intense, man. 0.99

02:25:54.000 Mm-hmm. 0.97

02:25:55.000 There's a lot of intensity in these fights as well.

02:25:59.000 It's hard to call.

02:26:00.000 Well, I mean, when you have a crowd, again, like when a man loses his mind and gains another, as this crowd starts to surge, you get pulled into it.

02:26:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:09.000 So if you've got a protest and you're out here to say, like, hey, fucking get your shit together, and then someone starts lighting off fireworks in the middle of your crowd, or someone starts turning it into, hey, get your shit together, hey, we're going to push your shit in, Right. 1.00

02:26:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:26:25.000 Yeah.

02:26:26.000 Boom, there it goes.

02:26:27.000 Mom mentality. 1.00

02:26:27.000 There it goes. 1.00

02:26:28.000 Madness. 1.00

02:26:28.000 People lose their shit. 1.00

02:26:29.000 And so, plus or minus, man, you go out there and a fight goes on and when the crowd reacts, it's like, oh, this really matters. 1.00

02:26:38.000 Oh, yeah, I'm into it now.

02:26:40.000 I'm involved.

02:26:41.000 Yeah, you are because everybody else around you is.

02:26:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:45.000 Of course you are.

02:26:46.000 Right.

02:26:48.000 Yeah, they're both awesome.

02:26:50.000 They're both awesome.

02:26:51.000 I think that's a...

02:26:52.000 I completely can get behind that.

02:26:54.000 They're a slightly different thing.

02:26:55.000 They're a slightly different thing.

02:26:57.000 You know, it's hard to wrap your head around it until you're actually experiencing a world-class fight.

02:27:04.000 Five rounds with no audience.

02:27:07.000 They're different. 0.99

02:27:09.000 They're both fucking amazing. 0.94

02:27:11.000 I'm glad that it's going on. 0.97

02:27:12.000 I'm glad for the fighters.

02:27:13.000 I'm looking forward to when Scott and company get things up and rolling again.

02:27:18.000 I just want to see the world...

02:27:21.000 In general, just open up to when fights can be a thing.

02:27:26.000 Well, one of the interesting things that seems to be happening, and I've been reading a lot about this, is one of the things that the CDC, the death rate of COVID has dropped so low, it's in consideration for being removed from pandemic status.

02:27:42.000 Yeah, so I think what's happening is younger people are getting it now because a lot of people, believe it or not, got it because of the protest.

02:27:50.000 I know it sounds crazy.

02:27:52.000 What a wild idea.

02:27:53.000 What are you saying, Joe Rogan? 0.94

02:27:55.000 You're talking nonsense.

02:27:56.000 What are you, a right winger now?

02:27:58.000 No, I'm not.

02:27:59.000 And that's not what I'm saying.

02:28:00.000 I mean, come on, folks.

02:28:01.000 You get 50,000 people.

02:28:02.000 And I'm all, by the way, I should say, I'm 100% in favor of protesting.

02:28:06.000 But I'm also 100% in favor of people wearing masks and going to a restaurant, which I just did.

02:28:11.000 I was in Texas this last weekend.

02:28:13.000 And in Texas, they got it nailed, man.

02:28:15.000 I know they have a lot of cases.

02:28:17.000 They don't have, look, the debt...

02:28:19.000 There's a lot of people in Texas.

02:28:20.000 There's a lot of people, but also the death rate is lower for this round because there's two possibilities.

02:28:26.000 One possibility is that it's lower because it's about to spike up and there'll be more deaths soon.

02:28:33.000 The other possibility is herd immunity.

02:28:37.000 Is that the virus is potentially getting weaker?

02:28:40.000 Like it's maybe possibly evolving?

02:28:42.000 I've heard all these different arguments from all these different biologists. 0.99

02:28:45.000 It's so hard to run down, especially when you're a moron like me, figure out what exactly is right and what exactly is wrong. 0.99

02:28:51.000 I'm in the same boat. 1.00

02:28:51.000 I'm trying to make sense of it. 1.00

02:28:53.000 Head distiller, David, used to work in infectious disease, and he told me about the structure of the disease itself and why is soap and water so effective.

02:29:02.000 Well, it emulsifies the fats around the virus itself and it breaks it down.

02:29:07.000 This is also why things like...

02:29:10.000 Windex will kill it.

02:29:12.000 It's not particularly hardy.

02:29:14.000 UV light kills it.

02:29:15.000 UV light will kill it.

02:29:16.000 UV light and sunlight kills it.

02:29:17.000 Correct.

02:29:18.000 But he also says that coronaviruses are known for enjoying colder weathers.

02:29:24.000 So fall and winter is a possibility.

02:29:26.000 And then when you talk about spikes...

02:29:28.000 So that thing, one of the things that really was in my mind when I was talking about people fighting tooth and nail to defend their use of mainstream media as their de facto sense-making apparatus is that...

02:29:43.000 I was posting stuff about wearing masks.

02:29:45.000 And by the way, all the people that I listened to who were giving me information, either stuff coming straight past the firewall in China, like weird Twitter accounts and YouTubers and whatever, I had my supplies Right.

02:30:08.000 Right.

02:30:13.000 Right.

02:30:22.000 That's the thing that's going to affect this the most. 0.99

02:30:25.000 And I told so many people and they all looked at me like, what are you, some sort of fucking weirdo prepper? 0.98

02:30:30.000 And I go... 0.99

02:30:31.000 I guess. 0.99

02:30:32.000 But when I can wipe my ass, you'll be, you know, let's see what you do and let's see how much your cat likes it when you've got no more toilet paper left over. 1.00

02:30:42.000 You're fucking using your cat to wipe your ass. 1.00

02:30:44.000 Well, that's not what I'm worried about. 1.00

02:30:45.000 I'm worried about food.

02:30:46.000 Oh, food. 1.00

02:30:47.000 You can always wash your ass in the shower if there's water. 1.00

02:30:49.000 For sure. 1.00

02:30:49.000 Food and water is what's really new. 1.00

02:30:51.000 But I was like, look, everybody, we need to be wearing masks.

02:30:54.000 And people would fight me because the mainstream media said, don't wear masks.

02:30:59.000 You know, we need masks for the... 0.93

02:31:01.000 Look, fuckface, I didn't say N95 mask, which, by the way, there's also N99, and there's also P95 and P99, and you don't even understand the classification of masks, and now you're going to fucking tell me when I've already done the research, and I know what the difference is. 0.99

02:31:15.000 And now you're going to just fucking put cloth over your face. 0.99

02:31:18.000 Do something. 0.99

02:31:19.000 When you had Lex on here, fucking sweet dude, Lex Friedman. 0.99

02:31:22.000 I love that guy. 0.98

02:31:23.000 And he's just simply showing you, that's enough.

02:31:26.000 And I said, look, if we're just wearing masks... 0.98

02:31:29.000 As a guy who used to live in fucking Japan, it helps. 0.98

02:31:32.000 Because a lot of people in Japan wear masks out of courtesy. 0.98

02:31:35.000 It's just out of courtesy if they're feeling the sniffles or what have you.

02:31:39.000 Really interesting, isn't it, that that culture was so ahead of the curve when it comes to mask wearing with respiratory illnesses.

02:31:47.000 Yes, full on.

02:31:49.000 Also because they're jammed on top of each other.

02:31:51.000 Of course, there's that too.

02:31:52.000 But they think about their own...

02:31:55.000 They think about the honor of having their own social responsibility for their part in things.

02:32:00.000 And they've had a very low death rate.

02:32:01.000 Very low.

02:32:02.000 What do they attribute that to?

02:32:04.000 I think it's due to...

02:32:05.000 I personally think it's due to just mask wearing on a cultural basis.

02:32:11.000 I think it's due to... 0.99

02:32:12.000 If you tell people in Japan, like, okay, hey, we got some shit coming up. 1.00

02:32:17.000 Here's these three things that you need to do. 0.98

02:32:19.000 They will do them.

02:32:20.000 It's the same reason why when you have...

02:32:24.000 You have a natural disaster coupled with a nuclear issue like the tsunami, Fukushima, that the older people will come up and go, okay, hey, you younger guys, you've got families,

02:32:39.000 you've not lived as long as us, leave.

02:32:42.000 We're going to go in.

02:32:43.000 We'll take care of it.

02:32:44.000 That's why they will put together...

02:32:49.000 Resource centers or fallout centers for people to house in while everything's destroyed and no one's getting raped and murdered. 0.95

02:32:57.000 Whereas Katrina hits, you fill up the Superdome because, holy shit, man, there's all these people that are displaced. 0.98

02:33:04.000 You guys are suffering like mad. 0.96

02:33:06.000 Okay, well, we got at least this piece of property that we can use to try and help people out. 0.99

02:33:13.000 And it turns into a fucking nightmare in that place. 0.98

02:33:17.000 That won't happen in Japan. 0.99

02:33:18.000 It's just not the way that they are.

02:33:21.000 I find that so fascinating, how cultures evolve so differently.

02:33:26.000 It's just so interesting that human beings—I mean, even the negative aspects of it.

02:33:30.000 Like, I was talking to a friend of mine once.

02:33:32.000 We were talking about communism and the threat of communism.

02:33:35.000 Oh, you don't have to worry about that here.

02:33:36.000 And I'm like, listen, man, the people that live in North Korea are humans in 2020. And they are under the grip of a military dictatorship.

02:33:49.000 There's no getting around that.

02:33:50.000 The people that live in the United States in 2020 are not.

02:33:53.000 But they're just humans on Earth during the same time, and there's styles of living.

02:33:59.000 It's a weird way to look at it, but if you look at it in terms of styles of living, there are styles of living.

02:34:05.000 And these styles of living, whether you're in a cult, or whether you're in a commune, or whether you're a part of a Republican town, or whether you're living in Chaz before they tore it down, there's styles of living.

02:34:19.000 And some styles are far more problematic than others.

02:34:23.000 And the style of living that we should really be worried about is top-down power. 0.98

02:34:27.000 One person, like a Kim Jong-un, who's running the whole fucking show, and if you don't cry when his dad dies, you have to go to jail for six months. 0.98

02:34:54.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:35:13.000 I think?

02:35:34.000 We're good to go.

02:36:00.000 To let your people take chances.

02:36:03.000 And these people should, if they want to, they should be able to make a living.

02:36:07.000 They should be able to wear a mask and protect the elders and protect the sick people. 1.00

02:36:12.000 There is a possibility to create protocols to take into consideration the unknown and protect as many people as...

02:36:21.000 I mean, I've been wearing a mask.

02:36:22.000 Every public place I go to, I wear a mask.

02:36:25.000 I just do.

02:36:26.000 And...

02:36:27.000 And do you attribute your time in Japan for like your sensitivity to that?

02:36:31.000 That and just what I understand, what little I will say I understand from even reading people like Nassim Taleb or Balaji Srinivasan or epidemiologists or talking to my head distiller or my student Mary who literally works on COVID machines in a microbiology lab.

02:36:53.000 Really?

02:36:55.000 Okay, I can understand a little bit, but I know that even they don't have all the information.

02:37:01.000 Nobody can.

02:37:02.000 It's novel because it's new.

02:37:04.000 Now, I know that they've been studying Chinese horseshoe bat coronaviruses since like 2015, or maybe even sooner than that, especially after the issue that the world had with SARS. So, of course, it starts to become a priority.

02:37:18.000 Fine.

02:37:18.000 But here we are, here and now.

02:37:20.000 What I don't know, I'm not going to just assume that things will just be fucking fine.

02:37:25.000 That's just not a way I can approach things.

02:37:27.000 What I have to do is, what I can take on responsibility for myself, okay, that's mine.

02:37:33.000 But for other people, different story.

02:37:36.000 And when I can do something as simple as wear a mask and be in public, I'm not damaging.

02:37:43.000 I'm insuring myself and others from hardly doing anything.

02:37:47.000 Well, we also talked about before the podcast, you take the necessary precautions to protect your own health in terms of supplementation, in terms of...

02:37:55.000 Yes, of course.

02:37:57.000 And following up on any kind of studies and just any previous understanding of supplementation in regards to other viruses and infection and things like that.

02:38:06.000 But also...

02:38:09.000 When this first came down, I had stuff to protect my eyes.

02:38:14.000 I had N95 masks.

02:38:15.000 I had a Tyvek suit, if need be.

02:38:18.000 What's a Tyvek suit?

02:38:20.000 They usually use them for painting and things like that, but you can duct tape them off and what have you.

02:38:24.000 So outbreak.

02:38:25.000 Who knows, right?

02:38:26.000 But I don't know what's going on.

02:38:28.000 I don't know what's gonna happen. 0.99

02:38:29.000 I just know that I don't want to get fucked. 0.99

02:38:31.000 Yeah, that was the big fear. 1.00

02:38:32.000 When the shit hit the fan, the big fear was that this was going to be something that we really had to worry about that was going to kill a giant percentage. 0.99

02:38:40.000 And it could have been. 1.00

02:38:40.000 Could have been. 1.00

02:38:41.000 Could have been.

02:38:42.000 But then, okay, so it's not...

02:38:44.000 That bad, at least, right?

02:38:46.000 But for a while there, what I would do is, when I would leave the house, I had my outdoor clothes and my indoor clothes. 0.89

02:38:54.000 When I came back in the house, I took all my shit off in my little foyer, put it in the corner, Cleaned, took a shower, cleaned up, then put on my indoor clothes. 0.90

02:39:03.000 Really? 0.94

02:39:04.000 To make sure that if I was an issue, all right, I don't know what this virus can or will do, but I'm going to avoid bringing it into my house as best as possible.

02:39:13.000 Josh Barnett was going all out.

02:39:15.000 And so then, as I started to learn that, okay...

02:39:20.000 It is gnarly.

02:39:21.000 It's real, but it's gnarly to certain people.

02:39:25.000 I have a few friends where it was nothing.

02:39:29.000 To be honest, I think I already had it.

02:39:32.000 We're going to find out in 25 minutes.

02:39:35.000 I think that, to be honest, I really believe there's several strains.

02:39:40.000 I've read that, but it only makes sense.

02:39:42.000 There may be a few strains for sure, although...

02:39:45.000 From what sources I have, coronaviruses are not the kind of thing that mutates very much, and what they're more likely to do is become more benign and not more aggressive.

02:39:58.000 I have heard that, but I also have heard that the strain in India is so vastly different than the strain here that if they develop a vaccine for the strain that's in North America, it literally won't work for what's in India.

02:40:10.000 Yeah, possibly.

02:40:11.000 Not enough curry.

02:40:13.000 It's a tumeric thing.

02:40:15.000 It's a tumeric thing.

02:40:16.000 For sure, this is a trying time for us.

02:40:19.000 It is.

02:40:20.000 For everybody.

02:40:21.000 Think about being in India.

02:40:22.000 Think about being in all these other places.

02:40:25.000 It's also really ramped up all the anger.

02:40:29.000 I think a lot of it comes to...

02:40:32.000 Fear.

02:40:33.000 Yeah, and there's fear.

02:40:35.000 The unknown is one of the greatest motivators or creators of fear.

02:40:39.000 But I would say that this reminded me a lot from Git.

02:40:43.000 As soon as it was like, okay, we need to shelter in place or safer at home or whatever the case may be.

02:40:49.000 And it just made me think of Cormac McCarthy in No Country for Old Men.

02:40:53.000 He wrote, you know, you can change your name.

02:40:56.000 You can do this.

02:40:57.000 You can do that and go to some other place.

02:41:00.000 But at the end of the day, when you're laying there in bed and you look up at the ceiling, it's just yourself staring back at you.

02:41:11.000 And you're made up of the days that came before and nothing else.

02:41:15.000 So you can cry and change what all, but you're not any different.

02:41:18.000 You're the same person.

02:41:19.000 It doesn't matter where you are in the world.

02:41:21.000 You're still you.

02:41:22.000 And so these people are having to sit there at times, especially those that don't. 0.98

02:41:27.000 There's these people in a relationship where they're now starting to realize, well, what kind of relationship do I really fucking have? 0.89

02:41:33.000 What is this built upon? 0.63

02:41:34.000 Or even sitting at home and people having to sit there and basically be in the mirror All day long with themselves.

02:41:42.000 And how many people are really – how many people are really built upon the foundational tools of like fulfilling meaningful things?

02:41:54.000 Like things that – I don't want to die.

02:42:00.000 Tomorrow, today, not even five years from now, not ten. 0.92

02:42:03.000 Hell, if given the chance, I would fucking live a thousand years if I could because I think that this world is so fucking amazing that there is... 0.97

02:42:12.000 I don't think I could learn all the languages, eat all the foods, even the ones I don't like, see all the mountains, all the architecture, meet all the people, all the cultures, all the fucking everything that exists in this just glorious fucking amazing place. 0.98

02:42:26.000 I don't know. 0.81

02:42:27.000 I feel sad that my life can't go on long enough to know these things.

02:42:34.000 But I've lived such a life to this point.

02:42:40.000 There are things that... 0.99

02:42:44.000 10-year-old me would just have fucking had an aneurysm, thinking that this was ever going to be the way his life turned out, considering what an outcasted, pushed aside, bullied, fucked with... 0.98

02:43:00.000 I'm a really sort of twisted up, confused young lad and getting to where I am now and I can leave this place and die and my life has been fucking great. 0.98

02:43:16.000 I'm fulfilled. 0.91

02:43:18.000 I live because I want to experience things, I want to create more, I want to do more with my life, but my life has been great enough.

02:43:25.000 It's been great.

02:43:26.000 I've had all the things that I need that are essential in life.

02:43:29.000 That's real success.

02:43:30.000 Yes.

02:43:31.000 That's real success.

02:43:32.000 It's hard to find.

02:43:33.000 It is very hard to find, but getting through all the adversity and coming out on the other end better for it.

02:43:39.000 Yeah, I'm more concerned, like in an Ensign Inouye, I want to die right.

02:43:44.000 I think more about that.

02:43:46.000 Or like the Stoics. 0.92

02:43:47.000 I want to die right. 0.78

02:43:49.000 I want to go to Valhalla. 0.98

02:43:50.000 I don't want to die a pathetic way from living an epic life. 0.97

02:43:57.000 That's more of a concern in terms of death. 0.95

02:44:01.000 But otherwise, no.

02:44:02.000 Death is there.

02:44:02.000 Death is coming.

02:44:03.000 Death's alongside me.

02:44:04.000 Death's riding in the car with me everywhere I go.

02:44:07.000 And that's fine. 1.00

02:44:08.000 He's a good fucking wingman. 1.00

02:44:09.000 It's great. 1.00

02:44:11.000 Well, there's that energy that comes with death that makes life so exciting.

02:44:17.000 If you were immortal, it'd be like playing God Mode in a video game.

02:44:21.000 It's not exciting.

02:44:22.000 No.

02:44:22.000 Have you ever played God Mode in video games?

02:44:24.000 You know I fucking have. 0.97

02:44:25.000 Hey, you have Carmack on here, right? 1.00

02:44:27.000 So I fucking played. 0.99

02:44:28.000 Doom scared me as a kid when my friend's like, check this shit out. 1.00

02:44:33.000 You know, it's like a fucking secret drug deal. 1.00

02:44:35.000 Like popping the little discs in the library computers. 0.98

02:44:38.000 We're like, okay, okay, what's this?

02:44:41.000 It was just, what a freak out.

02:44:43.000 Yeah, I play God Mode in video games.

02:44:46.000 God Mode's whack.

02:44:46.000 Yeah.

02:44:46.000 It's terrible because you can't die.

02:44:48.000 Nope.

02:44:48.000 For people who don't know what we're talking about, when you play God Mode, you have unlimited ammo and you can't die.

02:44:53.000 Yeah, you can't die.

02:44:53.000 It ruins life.

02:44:54.000 You're invincible, yeah.

02:44:55.000 It ruins the game.

02:44:56.000 Exactly.

02:44:56.000 Games are thrilling, but a video game where you're playing in God Mode is terrible.

02:45:00.000 And the reason why is because there's no consequence.

02:45:02.000 There's no risk.

02:45:03.000 It's the same thing as life.

02:45:04.000 There's no risk.

02:45:04.000 If there's no risk, if there's no struggle, there's no overcoming.

02:45:08.000 And, you know, it's like I always say, like I always say, I have this concept of human entropy, that all humans without proper suffering and overcoming, to use some generic words, obviously from a Nietzschean perspective, you just go to your lowest state of energy.

02:45:27.000 People are...

02:45:28.000 All things in the universe are subject to entropy and humans are no different.

02:45:32.000 And so obviously we experience entropy and then our bodies break down and obviously we have cellular degradation and things like that.

02:45:38.000 But we can spiritually degrade.

02:45:43.000 And if we don't have...

02:45:46.000 Proper overcoming.

02:45:48.000 If we don't have a certain kind of suffering in our life or agitation, we don't grow.

02:45:54.000 Agitation is a great way to put it.

02:45:55.000 Agitation is a great, yeah.

02:45:56.000 And I'm also a big fan of Heidegger, so like being towards death.

02:46:01.000 Knowing that this is inescapable.

02:46:04.000 Stop trying to...

02:46:06.000 To look for anything to alleviate the burden of your own death and the responsibility of your own creation of an authentic life. 0.99

02:46:16.000 Because at the end of the day, you can do all these different fucking things. 0.99

02:46:19.000 You can change your mind. 1.00

02:46:20.000 You can become this kind of fucking ideological. 1.00

02:46:25.000 You're a communist or you're an alt-right or you're this or you're that. 0.99

02:46:28.000 You can create all these little things.

02:46:29.000 You can be a Christian or a Catholic or whatever, right?

02:46:33.000 If you're using these things to replace your...

02:46:48.000 Yes.

02:46:57.000 Yes.

02:46:59.000 100%.

02:47:00.000 Well put.

02:47:00.000 I tell people don't ever seek comfort.

02:47:03.000 Seek clarity and seek improvement. 0.99

02:47:06.000 Comfort sucks. 0.99

02:47:07.000 Comfort's whack. 0.99

02:47:08.000 Comfort's great for a couple hours if you want to chill and watch a movie. 0.99

02:47:11.000 But comfort as a lifestyle is bullshit. 0.98

02:47:14.000 It's like you're not going to get any improvement. 1.00

02:47:16.000 You need to be tested.

02:47:17.000 That term agitation is excellent.

02:47:19.000 How far did you start shooting arrows at to practice?

02:47:23.000 Well, I was really fortunate that I was taught by great people.

02:47:27.000 Cam Haynes taught me, and he had me probably like 15 yards at first practicing, 10-15 yards.

02:47:33.000 And now where do you shoot at?

02:47:34.000 Well, in here I shoot at 45 yards, but I have a range at the house that goes to 85 yards.

02:47:39.000 But you had to get there.

02:47:41.000 I went shooting yesterday.

02:47:45.000 Pistols?

02:47:46.000 Pistols.

02:47:48.000 You know, I can put some groups together. 0.98

02:47:50.000 And honestly, part of that's because, you know, the pistols I'm using are fucking, they're accurate enough to do it. 0.97

02:47:55.000 It's not them. 0.98

02:47:56.000 It's me. 0.99

02:47:57.000 And I like to, you know, go not to shoot shit at 10 yards and 6 yards. 0.99

02:48:03.000 Like, okay, well, 10 yards is fine or whatever. 0.98

02:48:05.000 But unless I'm doing a specific, you know, motion-derived drill...

02:48:10.000 Whatever, man.

02:48:11.000 I can hit center mass and I can hit ahead all the time.

02:48:13.000 I don't care about that.

02:48:15.000 I keep pushing it out as far as I can go in the indoor range.

02:48:18.000 Because it's more difficult.

02:48:18.000 Yeah, because I want to get better.

02:48:19.000 And I bring it back in, I'm like, it's not good enough.

02:48:22.000 And I've been shooting my old.44 Auto Mag as much as I can recently.

02:48:28.000 Especially, they're starting to make new ones. 0.99

02:48:31.000 They're going to revamp and re-put this fucking thing out there. 0.98

02:48:35.000 And I'm like, oh yes, thank God I can get new parts. 1.00

02:48:38.000 That's a fucking cannon. 0.99

02:48:39.000 It's great. 1.00

02:48:40.000 The original cartridge was made by taking a.30-06 or.308 rifle cartridge.

02:48:46.000 You put it in a base block and you cut it down to size.

02:48:50.000 You ream it, flare it, and then you make your ammunition out of that using a.429 caliber bullet.

02:48:56.000 I reload.

02:48:58.000 Oh, do you really?

02:48:59.000 Yeah, I'm a reloader.

02:49:00.000 I grew up reloading, shooting, hunting, fishing, all that kind of stuff.

02:49:03.000 So when you shoot rounds, you save your shells?

02:49:06.000 If it's.44 Auto Mag, yes.

02:49:08.000 Or.475 Wildy, or any of these kind of wildcat weird things that I shoot, yeah, I reload.

02:49:14.000 But if it's just.45, it's cheaper to just buy whatever, you know, regular shoot-em-up ammo.

02:49:18.000 But you probably get a satisfaction at the reloading, right?

02:49:21.000 Oh, 100%.

02:49:22.000 Because, again, it's the being involved in the process and the creating part of it. 0.98

02:49:27.000 And one of the things why I love my auto mag so much is because, well, one, I'm a fucking weirdo.

02:49:31.000 So if everybody says, hey, do the easy thing, no, I want to do the weird and odd thing. 0.69

02:49:35.000 I want to go, no, why do jujitsu when you can catch wrestling, right?

02:49:39.000 Why use a manual or an automatic transition?

02:49:42.000 Yeah, when I can use a manual.

02:49:42.000 Why use an iPhone?

02:49:44.000 So, you know, for me it was, yeah, let's buy this gun made in 1970 and it has an incredibly rare amount of spare parts available and reloading data and all this stuff.

02:49:56.000 Like, yeah, sure, I'm game.

02:49:57.000 Yeah, I'll do it.

02:49:58.000 A lot of kick, too, right?

02:50:00.000 It's not that bad, actually. 0.96

02:50:02.000 I mean, it kicks pretty substantial, but I've seen women shoot them with no problem. 1.00

02:50:06.000 Yeah.

02:50:08.000 I learned to the point of taking the—in fact, I dislocated my shoulder fighting Cro Cop. 0.93

02:50:13.000 So I couldn't work on my Cobra, my Mustang, and I couldn't even drive it at the time.

02:50:20.000 I was like, well, this blows.

02:50:22.000 What can I do?

02:50:24.000 All right.

02:50:24.000 Well, while my arm's in a sling, I'm going to take my auto mag apart and completely take it down to the frame, have the frame be blasted, put it all back together.

02:50:32.000 And then I was on this forum, so I'm talking with this legendary Pistolero, rest in peace, Lee Juris, who is famous for creating these custom, badass auto mags and taking antelope with auto mags at 200, 300 yards.

02:50:47.000 Really?

02:50:48.000 Yeah.

02:50:48.000 Jesus Christ.

02:50:48.000 He's bonkers.

02:50:49.000 He is so incredible. 0.93

02:50:50.000 That's a crazy shot. 1.00

02:50:52.000 Chatting with this fucker. 1.00

02:50:53.000 Freehand? 1.00

02:50:54.000 Yeah.

02:50:55.000 Well, I mean, or he could use sticks and freehand or whatever.

02:50:57.000 Like the guy is like one of the great American pistol shooters.

02:51:00.000 Wow. 0.99

02:51:01.000 And so I'm sitting there just chatting with this guy on direct message on fucking forums. 0.97

02:51:08.000 And he's like, yeah, OK, well, when you're going to if you want to slick this action up, here's here's the type of compound I would use. 0.95

02:51:14.000 Here's this.

02:51:15.000 You know, here's the places.

02:51:16.000 And so here I am. 0.99

02:51:17.000 Just fucking away, playing around on this little – tinkering around on this piece and put my gun back together and go out and shoot it and it just fucking cloverleafs things and it's brilliant. 0.97

02:51:28.000 But it's also the brilliant that regardless whether it's pistols or – it doesn't matter the thing. 0.98

02:51:33.000 You're learning.

02:51:34.000 You're learning.

02:51:34.000 You're putting yourself in the position to where, okay, well, you're going to make mistakes and now you're part of that creative process.

02:51:41.000 By being as involved in the whiskey, it means that much more to me but I also – Don't know any other way to do it.

02:51:48.000 Like, I probably could have had someone make that playlist for Spotify for me.

02:51:52.000 Or just thrown in a few tracks and then just use the recommendation at the bottom. 0.99

02:51:57.000 Yeah, but it wouldn't be all that weird, obscure fucking death shit that you like. 0.98

02:52:01.000 It wouldn't be Dissection. 0.99

02:52:04.000 Melvins are in there, the Bronx, all kinds of great shit. 0.97

02:52:07.000 Yeah, you're one of those guys who likes bands that I've never heard of. 0.97

02:52:09.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 I bet you'd like the Bronx.

02:52:10.000 I'm sure.

02:52:11.000 I know you'd like the Bronx.

02:52:12.000 I'm sure.

02:52:12.000 They're not a death metal band.

02:52:13.000 What are they?

02:52:13.000 They're a hardcore punk band out of LA. Okay.

02:52:16.000 And you would like them.

02:52:17.000 Oh, okay.

02:52:18.000 Send me a text message. 1.00

02:52:19.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:52:19.000 Let's do it. 1.00

02:52:20.000 I will, I will, I will.

02:52:22.000 But it's just being involved in the process and starting from...

02:52:30.000 Yeah, I can't agree more, man. 0.96

02:52:33.000 I love learning shit and I love doing new things. 0.98

02:52:35.000 I love being a beginner. 0.99

02:52:37.000 I think being a beginner is really rewarding.

02:52:39.000 And I think that as you get better in things where you're just starting out in these things, I really feel like it enhances everything you do.

02:52:46.000 I think it just adds an edge.

02:52:48.000 To your mind.

02:52:50.000 And as a person who does this for a living, or I talk to people for a living, I think it's crucial.

02:52:55.000 Because if I just did the same thing over and over and over again, I wouldn't have any frame of references.

02:53:01.000 I wouldn't have any interest in...

02:53:04.000 It fuels my curiosity, which I think is one of the most important parts of what I do.

02:53:09.000 I have to be curious.

02:53:10.000 I just happen to be, which is why it worked out in the first place to do a podcast, but it's fueled by doing new things.

02:53:17.000 Well, and your podcast, like anything else anybody does, will take on evolution.

02:53:21.000 Yeah.

02:53:22.000 One of the things that I would say in regards to you is the way people talk about you, to me, says more about them than it ever says about you. 0.93

02:53:32.000 And when I have someone, let's say, respond and take a bunch of uncharitable takes, I'm like, oh, you actually don't fucking pay attention, do you? 0.82

02:53:40.000 You're really not listening. 0.86

02:53:42.000 You're not listening at all.

02:53:43.000 You don't understand anything of what Joe's creating here.

02:53:45.000 You have no clue.

02:53:47.000 And you're telling me not about Joe at all.

02:53:50.000 You're only telling me about yourself.

02:53:54.000 And I just, through everything you do, that opportunity for new pathways, new growth, better understanding, what is it, the Maya Angelou quote, we do the best we can, and when we know better, we do better.

02:54:10.000 And that's a really simple way of looking at things, but when we know better, we can do better.

02:54:14.000 When we know better, whether we do better, we can just do differently sometimes.

02:54:18.000 And seeing the progress of this podcast Like I told you, I talk to people from the internet dark web.

02:54:27.000 Now, I talk to the IDW guys.

02:54:29.000 I talk to Dr. So.

02:54:31.000 I talk to James Lindsay.

02:54:32.000 I talk to Eric Weinstein.

02:54:34.000 I've been to dinner with Eric.

02:54:35.000 And there's probably other people I'll meet through this.

02:54:38.000 And for me, it's just I want to be exposed to all these people's ideas and thoughts and these conversations, especially when they're going to be in areas of expertise.

02:54:49.000 I'm not an expert.

02:54:50.000 Yeah, it's fascinating, and for me, it's very valuable to be able to get those people's thoughts, and yours as well, to get them out to the world.

02:54:57.000 I think it's very beneficial. 0.99

02:54:58.000 And I think for a guy like you, it's very beneficial because they look at you, and again, if they looked at you on the outside, they go, oh, the youngest ever fucking UFC heavyweight champion has got some shit to say? 1.00

02:55:09.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:55:10.000 I get a lot of this, oh, I'm so surprised that, you know, I really didn't expect this, that, or the other. 0.99

02:55:15.000 I'm like, well, okay.

02:55:16.000 Yeah, but that's just preconceived notions. 1.00

02:55:18.000 And it's also, it's more comforting for someone to look at a barbarian like you and say, well, he's got to be dumb. 0.99

02:55:25.000 And then when you're not, then they'll try to diminish whatever salient points you've had. 0.96

02:55:31.000 And that's, again, it says more about them than it does really about you.

02:55:34.000 I've seen it on Twitter where they're like, oh, well, you could do that. 1.00

02:55:37.000 What a dummy you are. 1.00

02:55:39.000 Clearly you've been hitting the head too much. 1.00

02:55:40.000 They love to do that.

02:55:42.000 People love to do that. 0.99

02:55:43.000 But that's also the sign of a loser. 0.98

02:55:46.000 Of course it is. 0.86

02:55:47.000 It's a sign of someone that doesn't actually want to engage in anything in good faith.

02:55:50.000 It's also they don't want other people to be good at things.

02:55:53.000 They don't like it.

02:55:54.000 They don't like exceptional people.

02:55:55.000 Of course.

02:55:56.000 And I feel like, personally, that I've...

02:56:00.000 Something I've had to deal with in my life is that I think that there was or is maybe even still this...

02:56:10.000 Idea, this construct of what I'm supposed to be and how successful or what have you I should be, right?

02:56:20.000 And if I exceed that, people get pissed that I'm somehow doing something in a way that they don't think I should be or that I'm getting notoriety in a way that I'm No, no, no.

02:56:34.000 You're not supposed to be that person.

02:56:36.000 No, you're supposed to be this and only this. 1.00

02:56:38.000 And if you exceed that, fuck you for not being what I want you to be. 1.00

02:56:44.000 What they don't understand is that that's fucking them. 1.00

02:56:47.000 Of course it's them. 1.00

02:56:48.000 They don't understand that, though.

02:56:49.000 They think that somehow or another...

02:56:51.000 I mean, I don't mean that's them. 0.99

02:56:53.000 I mean, it's fucking them over. 0.99

02:56:55.000 Yes. 1.00

02:56:55.000 That mindset is fucking them. 1.00

02:56:59.000 When you want someone to do poorly, you're exposing the flaws in your own thinking, exposing your own personal weakness. 1.00

02:57:08.000 It's super unhealthy, and I used to have it, man.

02:57:11.000 I used to want comedians to fail when I first started doing it. 0.99

02:57:16.000 I used to want people to get their ass kicked when I first started doing martial arts. 0.99

02:57:20.000 I used to want that, because I was a weak person, but I realized it. 0.99

02:57:25.000 And I said, oh, this is a trap.

02:57:28.000 I have this thing where I am fearful that I'm not rising to the level of my full potential, and so I want other people to fail.

02:57:38.000 So that where you're at at this point can then still be the new peak.

02:57:44.000 Yeah, or somehow or another.

02:57:45.000 You're only halfway up the mountain.

02:57:47.000 As long as nobody gets higher than that.

02:57:48.000 It's good enough.

02:57:49.000 Yeah.

02:57:49.000 Yeah, and I realized that when I was like 21. And I remember real distinctly the time period when I recognized it.

02:57:57.000 I just recognized that I had a deep flaw in the way I was looking at things.

02:58:02.000 And I realized, like, oh, this is weak.

02:58:06.000 But once I recognized it as a weakness, it was impossible to embrace it anymore.

02:58:10.000 Then I realized, like, oh, okay.

02:58:12.000 That feeling of discomfort that you get when looking at someone who's clearly better than you at stuff...

02:58:18.000 That should be a blessing.

02:58:20.000 You should be happy that that person exists because that person is fuel.

02:58:24.000 That's going to motivate you to do better as long as you approach it with the right mentality.

02:58:28.000 As long as you don't become a hater. 0.98

02:58:30.000 Haters are all losers.

02:58:31.000 There's no winners that are haters. 0.96

02:58:34.000 And they don't even realize that every time they hate, they think they're getting you or getting that guy or taking her down or throwing these jabs out there and that it's going to work and make you feel bad.

02:58:45.000 What they don't realize is they're literally stealing time away from their own interests and loves.

02:58:51.000 They're caging themselves to be only as good as they are at that moment.

02:58:56.000 It's super dangerous.

02:58:57.000 It's really bad for you.

02:58:58.000 And it's so intoxicating and so easy to fall into.

02:59:02.000 Well, nobody lies to themselves more than themselves.

02:59:05.000 And unfortunately, we are the best at finding every excuse we can to justify our position. 0.99

02:59:16.000 And it's just like, okay, I'm dealing with whatever from all this ideological poisoning and all this shit in my own home. 0.99

02:59:36.000 Right, right. 0.95

02:59:52.000 If all you can do is say something bad about the person that you chose to be in a relationship with, then that says more about you than them.

02:59:59.000 And to think that I would never be involved in somebody, with somebody, that I didn't love and enjoy.

03:00:23.000 To narrow your focus into that which you want to take precedent, so you can justify your grievance in this instead of saying, okay, well, I can have a real grievance,

03:00:38.000 and that's totally acceptable, and I can justify it, I can show for the grievance itself.

03:00:47.000 But this wasn't only a grievance.

03:00:49.000 The whole thing itself isn't nothing but grievance.

03:00:51.000 It isn't nothing but bad. 1.00

03:00:53.000 If it is, then it's on your fucking ass. 1.00

03:00:57.000 Yep. 1.00

03:00:57.000 That's it. 1.00

03:00:58.000 Seek clarity, kids.

03:01:00.000 Warbringer.

03:01:02.000 Warmaster Edition.

03:01:03.000 Go get it.

03:01:04.000 Where can they get it?

03:01:04.000 They can get it from the website warbringerbourbon.com slash warmaster and we ship to everything but I think maybe only seven states and it is available in some liquor stores.

03:01:17.000 Obviously can't get it any bars really right now since they're not open but it is yeah go through with the website use warbringer10 to get 10 bucks off.

03:01:26.000 And Instagram and Twitter is...

03:01:28.000 Josh L. Barnett.

03:01:29.000 I have a website up, www.joshbarnett.com.

03:01:33.000 It is now the fortress for the Warmaster on the web. 0.98

03:01:36.000 And I'm taking over that Spotify playlist. 1.00

03:01:39.000 Use the Warmaster's workout to get fucking jacked as shit! 1.00

03:01:43.000 And we're going to test you for the cooties. 1.00

03:01:44.000 Hell yeah.

03:01:45.000 Alright, thanks brother.

03:01:46.000 Appreciate you, man.

03:01:46.000 I love being here.

03:01:46.000 Always a pleasure.

03:01:48.000 Bye, everybody.

03:01:50.000 That was great, man.

03:01:51.000 I always get...

03:01:54.000 You know what...

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 07, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1503 - Josh Barnett

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