The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1522 - Rob Lowe

00:00:01.000 Rob Lowe, here we go.

00:00:02.000 Here we are.

00:00:03.000 What's up, man?

00:00:04.000 It's good to be, I was just saying, it's good to be in like a proper studio.

00:00:07.000 Have you been completely locked down the entire time?

00:00:10.000 Completely.

00:00:11.000 It's outrageous.

00:00:12.000 We're five months in now.

00:00:13.000 Who would have ever thought this?

00:00:16.000 And if you'd have said, this is what 2020 is going to have, I mean, you wouldn't have left the New Year's party.

00:00:22.000 You would have never believed it.

00:00:23.000 How does this happen?

00:00:25.000 Like, is there a war?

00:00:26.000 Like, what happens?

00:00:27.000 What takes place?

00:00:29.000 And it's funny how easily, not easily, but like, it's just, yeah, no, this is what we're dealing with.

00:00:35.000 I mean, I guess everybody, one has to adapt, so that's the good news, I guess.

00:00:37.000 Have you been going to restaurants at all?

00:00:40.000 I've been to probably, I've gone out to a restaurant maybe three times.

00:00:45.000 Have you gone to the ones where they wear the mask and then the shield over their face as well?

00:00:49.000 Yeah, it's like they're going to do welding in the kitchen.

00:00:51.000 It's so strange!

00:00:53.000 But it's better than nothing, so you just sort of adapt.

00:00:55.000 I know.

00:00:56.000 I mean, who knows when it'll...

00:00:58.000 I mean, at least some people feel like they're going back to work.

00:01:01.000 I mean, I think we're going to go back on my show on 9-1-1 Lone Star pre-production on the 17th.

00:01:08.000 Now, how will they do that?

00:01:10.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:01:11.000 That's a big show.

00:01:13.000 I mean, it's not a game show.

00:01:15.000 It's adventures and rescues and...

00:01:19.000 Pyrotechnics and stunt people, it's just huge in scope.

00:01:22.000 So it really is the thing.

00:01:23.000 If we can pull that off, that'll be good.

00:01:27.000 But I think the plan is...

00:01:29.000 Well, one thing that's interesting is just how you run a set is going to change, they tell me.

00:01:35.000 So you'll come in in the morning.

00:01:36.000 Everybody will get tested.

00:01:38.000 And then everybody's segregated.

00:01:40.000 So you go to the set and the director and the actors will rehearse.

00:01:44.000 That's it.

00:01:45.000 Nobody else there.

00:01:46.000 Then they leave, have to leave.

00:01:48.000 And then the lighting crew will come in and they light alone, just the lighting crew.

00:01:53.000 And then they leave.

00:01:54.000 And then all the production teams get their moment to do what they need to do, but they're doing it alone.

00:02:02.000 Well, they have a test now that the White House is using, and it takes 20 minutes.

00:02:08.000 It's an actual test.

00:02:10.000 You go there, so you could find instantaneously.

00:02:12.000 See, we're doing one here.

00:02:14.000 The one that you got is an antibody test.

00:02:17.000 That takes 10 minutes, and it shows active antibodies, which means you got the disease five, six days ago or whatever, and your body's fighting it off.

00:02:24.000 It's currently in your system, and it also shows another indicator whether or not you fought it off a long time ago.

00:02:31.000 And then there's the swab.

00:02:32.000 The swab takes 24 to 48 hours, depending on the lab.

00:02:37.000 And then there's real worry and concern, like, are you contagious during that time?

00:02:43.000 Like, if you just got it today, can you give it to someone today?

00:02:47.000 They don't know. 0.99

00:02:48.000 So, until this thing happens with the White House, the 20-minute one that they have, until that's, like, nationwide, we're fucked. 0.92

00:02:57.000 You know, we're in a weird situation where everybody has to be really careful. 0.96

00:03:01.000 Yeah.

00:03:01.000 And, you know, it's funny.

00:03:02.000 I have no issue wearing masks.

00:03:06.000 I don't really get that thing that people...

00:03:09.000 I mean, I get the freedom.

00:03:11.000 It's definitely better than not going out.

00:03:13.000 Yeah.

00:03:14.000 And listen, I mean, I feel way safer wearing it.

00:03:18.000 Way safer.

00:03:19.000 And, you know, celebrities should be thrilled to wear masks.

00:03:22.000 Yeah, right?

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 I mean, you know, listen, now Leonardo DiCaprio can go out completely, you know, with even better disguises.

00:03:29.000 You'd be amazed at how much people recognize you, though, even with a mask on.

00:03:33.000 Especially as soon as you start talking, they'll recognize you.

00:03:36.000 Well, and particularly for you, your voice.

00:03:37.000 Everybody knows your voice.

00:03:39.000 So you can't get in an elevator, you know.

00:03:40.000 But I'm a fan of the bandana.

00:03:42.000 I like feeling like a bandit. 0.99

00:03:43.000 But doesn't all the bad shit come underneath the bandana? 0.99

00:03:46.000 I don't think... 1.00

00:03:47.000 You have to be sealed at the bottom?

00:03:49.000 A bandana I do not think is for you.

00:03:51.000 I think it's for other people.

00:03:52.000 And then the droplets, if you're getting droplets, I don't think you're swooping them under.

00:03:57.000 I think you are breathing it through.

00:03:58.000 What am I, a doctor?

00:03:59.000 I know, but you're sounding good.

00:04:01.000 You're the Fauci of the ring.

00:04:04.000 Thank you.

00:04:05.000 The Fauci of the octagon.

00:04:06.000 I don't have one of those N95 masks, though.

00:04:08.000 I have hundreds of them.

00:04:09.000 Do you?

00:04:10.000 Are they the best?

00:04:10.000 Hundreds.

00:04:12.000 You know, I'll tell you what, they're the hardest to breathe in.

00:04:15.000 Like, they are the ones that when you put on your...

00:04:17.000 I mean, you definitely notice that you're sucking wind.

00:04:21.000 But, yeah, my wife was all over the... 1.00

00:04:26.000 Like, if there's anything to be bought on Amazon at any time for any excuse... 0.99

00:04:30.000 She's the fucking maven. 1.00

00:04:32.000 So the minute this happens, she's bought every M95 mask to stockpile. 1.00

00:04:36.000 One click is very addictive.

00:04:37.000 It is.

00:04:38.000 It's like, maybe I do need 50 boxes of toothpaste.

00:04:41.000 It's right there.

00:04:42.000 Why wouldn't I do it?

00:04:43.000 I'll find a place to put it.

00:04:44.000 I'll take that.

00:04:45.000 So when your show comes back, people will still be allowed to go home, though, and go places.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, I haven't heard any talk of, you know, sort of quarantining or 14 days.

00:04:58.000 I haven't heard any of that stuff.

00:05:00.000 Although I have friends who have gone to Europe to do big movies, and they've had to do that.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:05:06.000 Like, they keep you in a hotel.

00:05:07.000 You can't leave the hotel.

00:05:09.000 Everybody who works in the thing has to only hang out with everybody that's on the project.

00:05:14.000 I don't understand.

00:05:15.000 So the NBA is doing the bubble thing, right?

00:05:18.000 Where they all live like a commune, right?

00:05:22.000 A glorified Disney-esque commune.

00:05:25.000 But the NFL isn't going to do it, apparently.

00:05:28.000 Yeah, it's too hard to get the hoes in there. 1.00

00:05:30.000 I was thinking, you know, chicken wing.

00:05:31.000 It's hard to...

00:05:31.000 When you want those chicken wings, you've got to go out to get them.

00:05:36.000 Yes.

00:05:36.000 What are you going to do?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, you've got to...

00:05:38.000 Whatever you want.

00:05:39.000 If you need something, it's very difficult.

00:05:41.000 Are you a fan of the baseball with the crowd noise?

00:05:45.000 Yes.

00:05:46.000 Piped in crowd noise?

00:05:47.000 No.

00:05:47.000 I'm not a fan of fake noise.

00:05:49.000 I hate that some cars do that.

00:05:52.000 You know, some cars with turbocharged engines, they put fake engine noise through the speakers.

00:05:58.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:05:59.000 Exactly.

00:05:59.000 I never knew that.

00:06:01.000 All my illusions are shattered.

00:06:02.000 I think BMW does it.

00:06:04.000 What?

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:06.000 I'm sorry to say.

00:06:07.000 No.

00:06:09.000 Are the speakers on the outside of the car or are they on the inside?

00:06:12.000 It's through the stereo speakers.

00:06:16.000 Even if the speaker's turned off?

00:06:18.000 Yeah, it's an option that you have to turn off.

00:06:20.000 You have to go into the settings and turn off.

00:06:23.000 See if you can find that.

00:06:24.000 Oh, no.

00:06:25.000 I have a BMW. It's outside.

00:06:28.000 It's enhanced sound.

00:06:30.000 Maybe it's not for your model.

00:06:31.000 I'm pretty sure they do it for the M4, though.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, it's one of the primary complaints of legitimate automo journalists.

00:06:39.000 The real automobile enthusiasts hate it. 0.99

00:06:42.000 Of course they fucking hate it. 0.99

00:06:44.000 This is like you told me that Santa Claus doesn't exist. 0.99

00:06:47.000 It's not necessary either.

00:06:49.000 Like, I have a Tesla and it doesn't make any sound.

00:06:51.000 It's still awesome.

00:06:52.000 Oh, that thing is...

00:06:52.000 Yeah.

00:06:53.000 The only problem with the Tesla is I feel like I'm every television development executive.

00:06:59.000 Right.

00:07:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:01.000 It's like what the Armani suit was in the 80s.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 It means, I'm in show business.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, it's definitely a signal.

00:07:09.000 You're letting everybody know you're also really concerned about the environment.

00:07:13.000 You're a really good person.

00:07:14.000 But on the other side of this, you also have one of the most badass pieces of equipment.

00:07:19.000 Would it kill them, though, to do luxurious interior?

00:07:23.000 Would it kill them?

00:07:23.000 Is that about weight?

00:07:25.000 That's a good question.

00:07:25.000 What is that about?

00:07:26.000 I think it's just...

00:07:28.000 First of all, it's an American-made company.

00:07:30.000 Everything's made here.

00:07:31.000 And I think that scaling everything up has been a real problem.

00:07:36.000 It's been a real problem meeting the demand.

00:07:39.000 And I think they just kind of came out with a reasonable interior and put it together.

00:07:43.000 But there's a company called...

00:07:45.000 What is that company called?

00:07:46.000 Again, they make a car called the Apex.

00:07:50.000 Essentially, they're right next to the Tesla factory in California, and they'll take your Tesla, they bring it over there, and they soup it up.

00:07:59.000 They put a wider track, they widen the fenders, they put better suspension, that's it right there, S-Apex.

00:08:08.000 So they take it...

00:08:10.000 And they completely redo...

00:08:12.000 Jeez, look at that.

00:08:13.000 Yeah, dope.

00:08:14.000 Carbon fiber.

00:08:15.000 What?

00:08:15.000 Oh, okay, there's an interior.

00:08:17.000 That's right.

00:08:17.000 That's a car interior.

00:08:19.000 Yes, yes, yes.

00:08:20.000 I love that you love cars.

00:08:22.000 It's one of my favorite subjects.

00:08:23.000 I mean, I love them and I know nothing about them.

00:08:25.000 It's like I also kind of like watches, but I don't know any...

00:08:28.000 I just know what I like.

00:08:30.000 Like the movements and all that stuff. 1.00

00:08:31.000 I don't know about that shit. 1.00

00:08:32.000 No, fuck that. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Those dorks. 1.00

00:08:33.000 Is it the H65 movement? 0.99

00:08:35.000 Is the bezel infused with...

00:08:35.000 Yes.

00:08:38.000 Whatever the fuck. 1.00

00:08:39.000 I'm thrilled I know the word bezel. 1.00

00:08:40.000 What's the name of the company again?

00:08:43.000 Unplugged Performance.

00:08:44.000 So they'll do anything in the interior you want.

00:08:46.000 They'll do diamond-stitched leather.

00:08:48.000 They'll do carbon fiber.

00:08:50.000 They'll replace all the plastic with carbon fiber.

00:08:53.000 You're a car guy.

00:08:53.000 I was impressed with the car collection.

00:08:55.000 I love cars.

00:08:56.000 Were you ever tempted to get one of those tricked-out Escalade?

00:09:00.000 The factory's right around the corner from here.

00:09:02.000 The Escalades was like a living room.

00:09:04.000 I went in there and saw the one they were making for Tom Brady.

00:09:08.000 And it's like the interior of a private plane, but in an Escalade.

00:09:13.000 So they gut it and then just redo it like some very swank interior.

00:09:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:09:19.000 Yeah, it's like a living room.

00:09:20.000 It's literally a living room.

00:09:21.000 What I've been looking at lately is earth roamers.

00:09:23.000 Do you know what an earth roamer is?

00:09:24.000 Earth Roamer.

00:09:25.000 Yes.

00:09:26.000 I have been an apocalypse guy for quite a while.

00:09:32.000 So you're in all your glory.

00:09:33.000 I have a- This year I told you so moment.

00:09:35.000 Well, not necessarily. 0.97

00:09:37.000 I'm not like a prepper or anything like that, but I'm like, if the shit is the fan- Wait, what's the difference between a prepper- I don't have enough food. 0.98

00:09:44.000 Okay, got it. 0.99

00:09:45.000 I have freezers filled with elk meat and stuff like that, so I kind of have enough food, but if the power goes out, I'm kind of fucked. 0.96

00:09:51.000 That's an earth roamer. 0.99

00:09:52.000 Those motherfuckers you can live in, and they can drive like a thousand miles plus. 1.00

00:09:58.000 Why? 1.00

00:09:58.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:09:59.000 And they do the interior.

00:10:01.000 Well, there's different scales, but some of them go up to like $1.5 million, and the interior is insanity.

00:10:08.000 An Earthroamer.

00:10:10.000 Yes.

00:10:11.000 Earthroamer.

00:10:11.000 Okay, I'm taking notes.

00:10:12.000 The thing about these is- I'm literally taking notes.

00:10:15.000 You can go anywhere with these.

00:10:16.000 They also have an air suspension that will automatically level your vehicle.

00:10:22.000 So, like, say if you're on some fucked up, like, kind of terrain that's not level, it'll level it out so you can sleep well.

00:10:29.000 The interior is like the interior of a really nice tour bus. 0.76

00:10:34.000 Televisions, satellite radio, audio, internet.

00:10:38.000 Who makes...

00:10:39.000 It's a company.

00:10:39.000 I mean...

00:10:40.000 It's literally just Earth Roamer.

00:10:41.000 They make the whole thing.

00:10:42.000 The base is a very large Ford pickup truck.

00:10:46.000 They take like a huge diesel pickup truck.

00:10:50.000 And then they put this insane cabin in the back of it and there's a bunch of different levels that they do it.

00:10:56.000 You know, you have like a reasonable level for like one person if you like camping and then you could literally bring your whole family and you're living like you're in a private jet.

00:11:04.000 Wow.

00:11:05.000 And it can drive over everything.

00:11:07.000 That's the other thing.

00:11:08.000 It's like a legitimate off-road vehicle. 0.99

00:11:10.000 You can go over a fucking mountain in that thing. 0.98

00:11:12.000 Well, you know, in Santa Barbara, where I live, we had these terrible fires and floods. 0.99

00:11:17.000 Mudslides, too.

00:11:17.000 Yeah, the mudslides killed 23 people.

00:11:19.000 I knew someone who died.

00:11:20.000 Yeah, as did I. It's crazy.

00:11:24.000 She's in her house. 0.98

00:11:24.000 Crazy. 0.98

00:11:25.000 Yeah, these people, so imagine you go to sleep at night. 0.59

00:11:28.000 You know that there's going to be rain, whatever, and you go to sleep at night, and next thing you know, your house is obliterated.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, instantly.

00:11:34.000 The sheriffs came to us to tell us about different evacuation zones, and I said, and I know all these guys really well, so just level with me.

00:11:46.000 What's like the worst thing that's going to happen?

00:11:50.000 Like the absolute doomsday scenario you guys were worried about, and they're like, well, we're worried about the entire mountain going all the way to the freeway.

00:11:56.000 I went, pfft.

00:11:58.000 Great.

00:11:58.000 Thanks for sharing.

00:11:59.000 We're going to be fine.

00:12:01.000 And that's exactly what happened.

00:12:03.000 And what it taught me was you truly cannot comprehend like the power of Of nature.

00:12:12.000 Like when people used to say, California could fall off into the ocean.

00:12:14.000 You go, that's not good.

00:12:16.000 I'm telling you, it could.

00:12:17.000 We could wake up one day and be like, you know Lincoln Boulevard in Santa Monica?

00:12:21.000 Yeah, that's the ocean now. 1.00

00:12:23.000 You'd be like, oh, bullshit. 1.00

00:12:25.000 That's nothing. 0.99

00:12:26.000 I'm telling you, based on what I lived through, the mind, like it's an intersection I try by every day.

00:12:33.000 Every day.

00:12:35.000 If you said, okay, tomorrow night at midnight, there's going to be a 45-foot wall right here of debris, of homes, of boulders the size of a semi-truck cab, you'd be like, 1.00

00:12:50.000 bullshit, that's fucking impossible. 0.99

00:12:52.000 Where are the boulders coming from? 1.00

00:12:52.000 From where? 1.00

00:12:54.000 That's what happened.

00:12:55.000 You can't imagine it.

00:12:57.000 Now, were you in your house when that happened?

00:13:00.000 I was in Vegas with my wife.

00:13:02.000 My son Matthew was home.

00:13:04.000 He thought he heard the most radical thunder he'd ever heard in his life.

00:13:10.000 How old was your son?

00:13:11.000 He was 22 at the time.

00:13:15.000 And he's like a prepping, like he's an outdoorsman.

00:13:19.000 So if there was any one of the family to be home, it would have been Matthew.

00:13:22.000 That's what I would have wanted there.

00:13:24.000 And also he thought it was daylight.

00:13:27.000 He woke up and thought it was already, he'd overslept.

00:13:29.000 Because the fires from all of the propane explosions had lit the sky up so it looked like daylight.

00:13:37.000 Whoa.

00:13:38.000 And then he called me and I got on the scanner, the police scanner and the stuff that you could hear.

00:13:47.000 It was just unbelievable.

00:13:50.000 I mean it was pandemonium.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, it's such a beautiful area, Santa Barbara and Montecito.

00:13:57.000 It's so gorgeous because of those mountains, but that's also what makes it vulnerable if there's a fire, right?

00:14:01.000 Because all the stuff that kind of holds the mountain together and keeps the erosion from happening all gets burnt up and then a strong rain.

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:09.000 That was the problem.

00:14:11.000 We had a once in at least a hundred year fire.

00:14:16.000 The area behind our house hadn't burned in over a hundred years.

00:14:19.000 And a once in probably, maybe they think a thousand year rain event.

00:14:26.000 All within six weeks of each other.

00:14:29.000 So one of the things that was fascinating to me was the amount of ash.

00:14:33.000 Because I went on a hike afterwards and there was at least six inches of ash.

00:14:37.000 You know, like when you see the astronauts' footprints on the moon?

00:14:40.000 That's what it looked like.

00:14:41.000 All up, all as far as you could see in the mountains around Santa Barbara.

00:14:45.000 And then when we got that rain with the ash, it created like a viscous lubricant that just pried these boulders out.

00:14:55.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 So that's one of the reasons why these massive, massive, massive boulders that you would think would be soldered into the Earth's core were just like, boop, and just washed out.

00:15:08.000 It's so hard to imagine because if you drive up the 101 and you see those beautiful hills, you just see beautiful hills.

00:15:14.000 But what that is is evidence that the Earth is moving.

00:15:17.000 That's what those hills are.

00:15:19.000 You're safer in Kansas, but then again, you're not because then there's tornadoes.

00:15:23.000 There's no free lunch, man.

00:15:24.000 Oh, look at this.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, I know that house.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, it's crazy when you see that like six feet of mud literally poured into people's homes.

00:15:35.000 So just like the people that were on the bottom floor of the house were just destroyed immediately.

00:15:41.000 Yeah.

00:15:41.000 I mean, you just...

00:15:42.000 How many people died in this?

00:15:44.000 23. What a crazy way to go, too.

00:15:48.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 I mean, in the stories, you know, everybody's story is more tragic than, look at that.

00:15:56.000 Well, one thing that this pandemic taught a lot of people is that what you think of as being static and unchanging and that the world that we live in is basically pretty stable.

00:16:06.000 It's not.

00:16:06.000 A small event, and it's not small, but a virus that kills less than 1% of the population can completely obliterate the world as you know it.

00:16:18.000 And that's minor.

00:16:19.000 In comparison to a solar flare or an asteroid impact or a super volcano, like if Yellowstone goes, that's the real concern.

00:16:29.000 And that's another thing.

00:16:29.000 I used to think, ah, that's the stuff I watch at night by the fireplace.

00:16:34.000 It's my ancient alien shit. 0.99

00:16:35.000 That's not really happening. 1.00

00:16:37.000 And now, based on what I've experienced, anything could happen.

00:16:41.000 Well, Yellowstone definitely could go.

00:16:43.000 They say it goes every 600,000 to 800,000 years, and the last time it went was more than 600,000 years ago.

00:16:49.000 Can you imagine?

00:16:50.000 They would obliterate everybody in the continent. 0.88

00:16:52.000 There'd be no one left.

00:16:53.000 The people in, like, maybe Africa, some in New Zealand, some people would survive, but they would experience nuclear winter.

00:17:00.000 So crops would die off, the temperature would radically reduce, the entire sky would be filled with ash.

00:17:05.000 It's a supervolcano.

00:17:07.000 Those caldera supervolcanoes, they've exploded throughout history and killed massive, massive numbers of human beings.

00:17:15.000 They think that there was one in Indonesia somewhere around 60,000 to 70,000 years ago that killed off most of the population of the world and left as few as 7,000 human beings.

00:17:28.000 Really?

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:29.000 That's just 70,000 years ago.

00:17:32.000 Well, you've had like Graham Hitchcock and people on it.

00:17:34.000 Graham Hancock.

00:17:35.000 Hancock, right?

00:17:35.000 Yeah, and Randall Carlson.

00:17:36.000 Is that part of that narrative too?

00:17:39.000 Well, they've concentrated on asteroid impacts and particularly the asteroid impacts that are proven now that they believe ended the Ice Age.

00:17:48.000 And they also believe restarted civilizations.

00:17:51.000 Right.

00:17:51.000 Because they think that there was some incredibly complex civilizations that we're not totally aware of other than some of the structures they left behind, like Gobekli Tepe and some of the ancient Egyptian structures.

00:18:03.000 But there's a clear indication that something happened both from an archaeological perspective and also from a geologist's perspective.

00:18:10.000 When they do these core samples, they find that Somewhere around between, you know, somewhere in the 12,000 years ago range, there was a massive impact, and all over the world, because they find this tritonite, which is this nuclear glass everywhere.

00:18:27.000 They also find iridium, which is really common in space, but not very common.

00:18:32.000 And it's a level they see in the core samples.

00:18:36.000 It's a very consistent level.

00:18:39.000 And they find that nuclear glass.

00:18:41.000 That's the same glass like when the Trinity Project, when they first blew up the first nuclear bomb.

00:18:46.000 That's one of the things that they found was this nuclear glass.

00:18:50.000 And it's just this incredible force that causes the sand to turn into glass.

00:18:55.000 And they find this all over the world at around 12,000 years.

00:19:01.000 And there's also a lot of awareness today of all the near-Earth objects and when Earth in its orbit comes in contact with these consistent near-Earth objects.

00:19:15.000 Something probably hit Earth in multiple places, like more than one object, somewhere in that range, and ended the Ice Age.

00:19:24.000 I think it happened twice.

00:19:25.000 The speculation is it happened somewhere around 12,000 and maybe again somewhere around 10,000 years ago.

00:19:32.000 It's crazy.

00:19:33.000 It is crazy.

00:19:34.000 I love all that stuff. 1.00

00:19:35.000 I live for that shit. 1.00

00:19:36.000 I love it too. 1.00

00:19:36.000 I live for it, but I don't. 1.00

00:19:37.000 Because I don't want it to happen again.

00:19:39.000 No!

00:19:39.000 So it's like I get excited, but then I don't ever...

00:19:42.000 The worst is if I listen to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, and then I smoke pot and go to sleep.

00:19:47.000 Oh, then the head.

00:19:50.000 You should record those dreams.

00:19:52.000 Oh, yeah, if you could.

00:19:53.000 You should write them as teleplays.

00:19:56.000 Yeah, that's terrifying.

00:19:57.000 It's just...

00:19:58.000 We're so vulnerable.

00:19:59.000 I mean, we're vulnerable, period, right?

00:20:01.000 I mean, I'm 52. How old do you know?

00:20:04.000 56?

00:20:05.000 You'll look great.

00:20:06.000 Thank you.

00:20:06.000 You too, sir.

00:20:07.000 You look great.

00:20:08.000 But we're almost dead, let's be honest.

00:20:10.000 I mean, how much time we got left?

00:20:11.000 If everything goes great?

00:20:12.000 No, no, we're going to live forever.

00:20:13.000 We're going to have that pill that's going to be announced next week.

00:20:17.000 That might be the worst thing that could happen.

00:20:19.000 Like, you might want to go quietly in your sleep rather than live for 500 years and see the horrors that humanity turns into.

00:20:28.000 That too.

00:20:28.000 And I don't want to like if my body breaks down.

00:20:30.000 I'm so physical.

00:20:31.000 I love doing my stuff.

00:20:33.000 I don't think I'd be one of those people like, you know what?

00:20:37.000 His mind is so sharp though. 1.00

00:20:39.000 It's like, well, fuck. 1.00

00:20:40.000 That's great. 1.00

00:20:41.000 Meanwhile, the guy can't fucking walk. 0.99

00:20:43.000 It's like, I want to be able to do my thing. 0.98

00:20:46.000 Yes, yes.

00:20:47.000 Listen, I want a sharp mind.

00:20:49.000 Let's stipulate that.

00:20:51.000 What do you do to maintain yourself?

00:20:53.000 What do you do to keep the machine working?

00:20:55.000 Well, the number one thing was I stopped drinking years and years and years ago.

00:20:59.000 How many years?

00:21:00.000 30. Oh, so you got way ahead of the game.

00:21:03.000 I'm way ahead.

00:21:04.000 So I don't do any of that.

00:21:06.000 Wow, that's a lot of discipline.

00:21:10.000 But it's not, though.

00:21:11.000 Because the minute you realize your discipline has nothing to do with it, that's the only way you can do it.

00:21:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:21:16.000 Because the whole point is, like, I can't...

00:21:18.000 If I had one...

00:21:21.000 Let's say you broke out that...

00:21:22.000 Because I was like, beer.

00:21:23.000 Beer was good.

00:21:24.000 Well, there it is.

00:21:24.000 What do you got there?

00:21:25.000 Whiskey.

00:21:25.000 Whiskey was never my thing.

00:21:26.000 I'd be okay.

00:21:27.000 If it were tequila, that'd be a different thing.

00:21:29.000 If you...

00:21:30.000 And also, it was the 80s.

00:21:32.000 So if you had a kamikaze...

00:21:33.000 Remember those drinks?

00:21:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:35.000 I do remember those.

00:21:37.000 Like, it would go...

00:21:41.000 Then I'd be like, you know what would be really good to get would be some coke.

00:21:44.000 That would be great.

00:21:46.000 To balance it out.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, just to balance out.

00:21:48.000 It's no big deal.

00:21:49.000 It's no big deal, and it's good for you.

00:21:51.000 If you get the rock star coke, that stuff's not even bad for you.

00:21:53.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:21:53.000 It's not even bad for you.

00:21:55.000 Mick Jagger does it, okay?

00:21:57.000 Look at Keith Richards.

00:21:58.000 He's fine.

00:21:58.000 Keith Richards.

00:21:59.000 Look at Jack Nicholson.

00:22:01.000 Those guys are doing great.

00:22:02.000 They're the biggest stars in the world.

00:22:04.000 Jack Nicholson is fat, too.

00:22:05.000 How bad could it be? 0.80

00:22:06.000 How bad could it be?

00:22:08.000 It's good for your memory.

00:22:09.000 Probably.

00:22:10.000 And it's really good if you want to talk a lot.

00:22:12.000 And successful people do it.

00:22:15.000 A lot of successful people do it.

00:22:16.000 And it's not addicting.

00:22:18.000 No!

00:22:19.000 They just enjoy it.

00:22:21.000 Yes!

00:22:22.000 So that was what we thought.

00:22:24.000 You know, that's the Gordon Gekko era.

00:22:28.000 And then the Hounds of Hell will be released.

00:22:32.000 Once I got that good little concoction going...

00:22:35.000 That good little mixy-mixerson. 1.00

00:22:37.000 Well, it had to be hard to be a young, really famous, really good-looking guy during the age of no internet.

00:22:47.000 And, you know, the world was a wild place.

00:22:50.000 I mean, you were really famous in the 80s.

00:22:52.000 I wouldn't trade it.

00:22:54.000 For anything. 0.88

00:22:55.000 I mean, you know, all of the mistakes that I made, all the things that I learned got me to where I am today and I could not be happier and I needed some fucking comeuppance and I needed some of that humbling and stuff. 0.96

00:23:07.000 On the other side of it is like, what's the point of being fucking famous today? 0.96

00:23:13.000 Really? 0.98

00:23:14.000 I don't know if there's a point.

00:23:15.000 It's not dangerous!

00:23:16.000 I know, right?

00:23:17.000 I don't know.

00:23:19.000 I mean, forget the lack of privacy, the lack of, like, crazy fun, which you can't have.

00:23:24.000 Right.

00:23:26.000 Everybody's lying in wait.

00:23:27.000 I saw an article written about Leonardo DiCaprio, and it was just about how he dates young girls and how gross it is that he's dating a girl at 25. Like, 25 is a woman, you fuck. 1.00

00:23:39.000 What is wrong? 1.00

00:23:40.000 He's a good-looking man.

00:23:42.000 He's wealthy and happy and successful.

00:23:45.000 Oh my god, he dates someone who's young and vibrant.

00:23:47.000 There must be something wrong with him. 0.99

00:23:49.000 Meanwhile, if a woman does it, Nobody gives a shit. 1.00

00:23:53.000 They celebrate her. 0.99

00:23:54.000 You go, Kate Beckinsdale.

00:23:55.000 You go take those 21-year-olds down.

00:23:58.000 That's right.

00:23:59.000 Rope them, wrangle them, ride them.

00:24:00.000 Rope them and go.

00:24:01.000 And then send them off. 1.00

00:24:02.000 Kick them in the ass and pack their lunch and send them off. 1.00

00:24:05.000 It should be equal opportunity everywhere. 1.00

00:24:07.000 That's not, though.

00:24:09.000 When it's a woman, they look at it like she's just doing her thing. 0.90

00:24:13.000 She's having a good time.

00:24:14.000 But a man, it's like he's abusing his power.

00:24:18.000 Leonardo has power over those young ladies.

00:24:21.000 I figure if you're Leo or Bieber or any of those young...

00:24:25.000 This is part of the coming of age.

00:24:30.000 Yes.

00:24:31.000 It's figuring out what you want in life. 1.00

00:24:33.000 And when you do that, you're going to do weird shit, good shit, bad shit. 1.00

00:24:36.000 Well, if anybody would try to judge someone like that, like Bieber in particular, right? 1.00

00:24:43.000 Because he was really, really young when he got famous.

00:24:46.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:24:47.000 And you know that whole thing, that theory that however old you are when you get famous, that freezes you in carbonite emotionally and intellectually.

00:24:58.000 Well, that makes sense with child stars, right?

00:25:01.000 Yes, but anyway, it's also that thing of like, have you ever noticed that before like you get famous, the people who were famous to you then...

00:25:01.000 Anybody.

00:25:15.000 Fast forward a hundred years or whatever, and maybe they haven't done as much, and you have, but when you meet them, you think they're the most famous, crazy, successful person.

00:25:24.000 It's the same type of thing. 0.99

00:25:27.000 If I were to meet Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, I'd be like, no fucking way, doctors. 0.97

00:25:33.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.97

00:25:34.000 So it's funny how time- I met Lee Majors.

00:25:37.000 That's what I'm saying!

00:25:39.000 I was like, it's a $6 million man.

00:25:40.000 I can't believe it.

00:25:42.000 Right?

00:25:42.000 He's real.

00:25:43.000 Yeah.

00:25:44.000 Yeah, Cheech and Chong, when I met those guys, I was like, I can't believe they're real.

00:25:48.000 I can't believe I'm meeting them.

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:50.000 You get frozen in your own perspective.

00:25:53.000 Well, when you get older and you become famous, very few people can have this conversation, right?

00:25:59.000 But when you get famous and you meet famous people, to me, it's still weird.

00:26:02.000 Like, when I met you today, I was like, huh, hello, Rob Lowe.

00:26:05.000 I've seen you in movies.

00:26:06.000 But I'm more normal with it than when I was young.

00:26:10.000 When I was young and I would meet, like, I remember the first time I was on the set of News Radio and I met Phil Hartman.

00:26:14.000 I was so weirded out.

00:26:14.000 Wow.

00:26:16.000 And I was like, he's right there.

00:26:18.000 This is great.

00:26:18.000 Because I hadn't met a lot of famous people back then.

00:26:20.000 Only like a small handful.

00:26:22.000 And so to be like working with him and he's sitting there, I'm like, I've seen you on TV. By the way, how great was Phil?

00:26:28.000 He was amazing.

00:26:29.000 He was...

00:26:30.000 I had my scariest...

00:26:32.000 One of my scariest professional moments involved Phil Hartman.

00:26:35.000 I was hosting the show on Saturday Night Live.

00:26:40.000 And Phil had a character called Mace.

00:26:43.000 That he did, reoccurring character, and Mace was a hard-bitten convict, and he lived in it.

00:26:48.000 He obviously was serving life.

00:26:50.000 So whenever they had pretty boy hosts, they would throw, of course, me into a cell with Mace.

00:26:56.000 Hey, turn around there, chicken legs.

00:26:58.000 So that was like the predicate.

00:27:01.000 And I just remember, apropos of nothing, it was the week that the Lombada dance was a big deal.

00:27:07.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:27:08.000 That tells you how long ago it was.

00:27:09.000 I forgot about that.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, so Mace and I were doing the lumbata in a prison cell.

00:27:15.000 And the whole sketch built towards a punchline.

00:27:23.000 And for whatever reason, I blew the setup line.

00:27:28.000 Like, blew blew it.

00:27:30.000 Like, there's now no end.

00:27:33.000 There you go.

00:27:33.000 There we go.

00:27:34.000 Look at him.

00:27:35.000 Hey, look at you chicken legs. 0.99

00:27:39.000 And so there was no – so I had to ad-lib something really, really, really, really quickly.

00:27:45.000 It felt like time stretched out and his eyes got huge and I ad-libbed something and it worked and it got a really big laugh.

00:27:51.000 And I think that that's what sort of sealed my relationship with Lorne Michaels because I was able to – I came back backstage and was like, hmm, you're really Houdini, aren't you?

00:28:01.000 Yeah.

00:28:04.000 That's gotta be terrifying to do that show.

00:28:06.000 To do it live.

00:28:07.000 It's the best.

00:28:09.000 If I could have been a not ready for Primetime Player, I would have.

00:28:12.000 I mean, that would have been the dream.

00:28:13.000 I think that's the dream.

00:28:14.000 How much preparation do you have to do for that show?

00:28:17.000 Like, how many times do you rehearse one of those sketches?

00:28:19.000 Well, what people don't really realize about being a host is it's the host show.

00:28:24.000 Like, you can take as much control over it as you want, and most people don't. 0.96

00:28:28.000 I, just being stupid and naive, did, and always did, and sat in on the writers all night, write all night with all the different writers, going from room to room. 1.00

00:28:37.000 It was fucking heaven. 1.00

00:28:39.000 But I was an SNL nerd, so it was like... 0.99

00:28:39.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

00:28:42.000 That's cool.

00:28:43.000 And then you do the dress rehearsal, of course, right before air.

00:28:49.000 And it's a full show.

00:28:50.000 It's exactly the same show.

00:28:51.000 Full audience.

00:28:52.000 It's the whole thing.

00:28:53.000 And then they cut things or not.

00:28:54.000 One of my favorite things that got cut and Will Ferrell and I played oncologists who would deliver the bad news that people had stage four cancer, but only with our mouths full of food.

00:29:13.000 So he'd be like, oh yeah, I'm sorry, I'm eating chili.

00:29:17.000 This is hot, spreading the root of my mouth.

00:29:18.000 Sorry, so sorry.

00:29:20.000 You have stage four cancer.

00:29:21.000 Oh, ow, so hot and spicy.

00:29:23.000 That was the total predicate of the sketch.

00:29:27.000 That is a weird sketch.

00:29:28.000 It was like so weird and so dark.

00:29:30.000 And it made it to air.

00:29:30.000 Who pitched that one?

00:29:32.000 I mean, to dress.

00:29:33.000 Wow.

00:29:34.000 Really crazy.

00:29:34.000 It must have been a rough week.

00:29:36.000 It was a rough week.

00:29:37.000 I don't think cancer's funny.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, I guess you got a point there.

00:29:43.000 Phil hated the competitive aspect of the show because he said that people were just mean to each other.

00:29:50.000 That's one of the things that he enjoyed about sitcoms is that everybody was kind of working together.

00:29:54.000 He said one of the things about when you do SNL, everyone's battling to get their sketch on. 0.97

00:29:59.000 So they would sort of sabotage each other and there was a lot of backstabby shit going on and he didn't like it. 0.90

00:30:07.000 He was really hesitant to be friendly with people on the set. 0.92

00:30:12.000 When he first got on the sitcom, it took a while for him to loosen up and realize this is a different thing because that environment was every man for himself.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, it's funny.

00:30:25.000 Ensembles are funny that way.

00:30:27.000 Like, there is an element of teamwork.

00:30:30.000 It's like any team.

00:30:31.000 There's an element of teamwork that's intrinsic and you want and it's great and hopefully it's there.

00:30:35.000 But then there's that element of, you know, competitiveness even with your sort of band of brothers.

00:30:40.000 But, you know, that gets toxic in a hurry with the right – With the wrong culture and and maybe the wrong people in a bit but SNL it's like it is what it is there's only so many slots for sketches and there are only so many people writing and The best is when people try to tank them in the read through like you read all of them on Wednesday a big huge stack of them and People will like laugh really really hard at their own stuff or like roll their eyes It's it's fun to watch Yeah,

00:31:10.000 that's basically what he's talking about.

00:31:12.000 That always made me really uncomfortable, the fake producer laugh.

00:31:17.000 Oh.

00:31:17.000 Like, when you'd be doing, like, the third run-through, and they're like...

00:31:21.000 You're dead.

00:31:24.000 But people don't even know what we're talking about.

00:31:25.000 So, like, when you do a table read...

00:31:27.000 We've done the most unrelatable podcast ever.

00:31:30.000 Ever.

00:31:31.000 It's been great.

00:31:31.000 Just now.

00:31:32.000 What's it like to be famous and young and good looking?

00:31:33.000 Oh, everybody knows.

00:31:34.000 And Doomsday Prepping and...

00:31:36.000 Earth Roamers, it cost a million bucks.

00:31:37.000 Earth Roamers, yes.

00:31:38.000 This is great.

00:31:39.000 There's nobody quite like a Man of the People, Joe Rogan and Rothwell podcast.

00:31:43.000 Let's face it.

00:31:44.000 When you do a run-through, folks, if you do a sitcom, you act out the show.

00:31:49.000 And they want the actors to feel like what they're doing is funny.

00:31:53.000 Because there's nothing weirder than doing something with no audience and not hearing any laughter at all.

00:31:58.000 So the producers would laugh, but they would do this fake laugh, and it would throw you off so hard, because it's jarring.

00:32:07.000 It's just so phony.

00:32:09.000 I did a sitcom when I was little, when I was 15. It was...

00:32:14.000 It was so long ago that there were only 62 shows on television, period. 0.99

00:32:22.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:32:22.000 62. So this is like pre-Fox. 0.99

00:32:25.000 Not 62 channels.

00:32:26.000 62 shows.

00:32:27.000 62 shows.

00:32:29.000 By the way, how do you think I remember that there were...

00:32:32.000 Because we were number 62. We were literally the lowest rated show on television.

00:32:40.000 What was it called?

00:32:41.000 A new kind of family.

00:32:43.000 Might add something to do with that exciting title.

00:32:46.000 I just sit up and take notice, don't you?

00:32:49.000 What kind of family is it?

00:32:50.000 It's a new kind.

00:32:51.000 Oh, well, I'm going to watch then.

00:32:53.000 What did they mean by a new kind?

00:32:55.000 It was...

00:32:56.000 A revolutionary concept at the time that it was two divorced women pooling their resources. 1.00

00:33:02.000 There you go.

00:33:02.000 Look at you.

00:33:03.000 And I'm sprouting a wonderful Karen Carpenter look.

00:33:08.000 Look at that hair, bro.

00:33:09.000 Karen Carpenter.

00:33:10.000 Look at the wings.

00:33:11.000 I know.

00:33:14.000 Was this your first acting project on television?

00:33:17.000 Yeah, I was 15. Wow.

00:33:19.000 So you never had a normal life?

00:33:21.000 Not really.

00:33:25.000 So the new kind of family is bad.

00:33:28.000 It was bad.

00:33:29.000 And it was opposite 60 Minutes, which was the number one show.

00:33:33.000 And by the way, it was so horribly rated, we would get 19 million people watching.

00:33:40.000 That's crazy.

00:33:42.000 And it was a disaster.

00:33:44.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:33:45.000 Isn't that insane?

00:33:46.000 Wow!

00:33:48.000 That's amazing.

00:33:49.000 19 million.

00:33:50.000 That would be the number one show on television today.

00:33:53.000 Oh, there's nothing that even comes close.

00:33:55.000 That's so crazy!

00:33:57.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:33:57.000 That was a huge disaster.

00:33:59.000 19 million people.

00:34:00.000 Wow!

00:34:01.000 I'm the king of the new normal.

00:34:02.000 Like, I'm on shows that get...

00:34:05.000 Bad ratings that then become the new normal.

00:34:08.000 I can't believe it!

00:34:10.000 I'm just right there at those thresholds year in and year out.

00:34:13.000 You could say that to someone and not say what ranking it was and say, when I was 15, I was on a show that had 19 million people watching it. 0.99

00:34:20.000 They'd be like, holy shit! 0.99

00:34:22.000 What was it? 0.99

00:34:23.000 I know!

00:34:23.000 That's the biggest show ever!

00:34:25.000 What is a number one show today?

00:34:28.000 What is the top show?

00:34:30.000 Modern Family, is that number one?

00:34:32.000 What's the number one sitcom today?

00:34:34.000 Yeah, it would have been...

00:34:35.000 Well, Big Bang has been off for, what, a year?

00:34:38.000 Or two years?

00:34:38.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 It would definitely be Big Bang.

00:34:40.000 Something like that.

00:34:41.000 And they'd get, like, I think, eight million.

00:34:45.000 I think was what it was in this show.

00:34:48.000 It's shocking though.

00:34:49.000 Somewhere on Netflix are popping up now.

00:34:50.000 Right, that's the problem. 0.99

00:34:51.000 Netflix won't tell you shit. 0.99

00:34:53.000 They don't tell you nothing. 0.99

00:34:54.000 They say, well, you're doing great.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, or they don't tell you.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, and then they cancel you.

00:34:58.000 They don't tell you.

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 But if they like you, they say, we're really happy.

00:35:02.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:35:03.000 We're really, really happy.

00:35:04.000 We're really happy.

00:35:05.000 And, like, how happy?

00:35:07.000 Yeah, no one knows.

00:35:08.000 We're just really happy.

00:35:08.000 There's a lot of guesswork involved.

00:35:10.000 That's insane, though.

00:35:11.000 That's so many people, and it was the last rated show. 0.79

00:35:14.000 Crazy!

00:35:15.000 The last rated show.

00:35:16.000 And then they shut us down to rejigger it because they figured they could make it better somehow and stop the audience slide.

00:35:23.000 And we came back and the other family had been replaced.

00:35:27.000 What?

00:35:28.000 Yeah, they replaced it without saying anything.

00:35:31.000 And made it an African-American family, figuring that would be more interesting for the storytelling or what have you.

00:35:36.000 Same name?

00:35:37.000 No, they at least played different people.

00:35:39.000 NCIS. And it gets 15 million.

00:35:42.000 Wow, and that's number one.

00:35:43.000 That's the number one show.

00:35:45.000 Number one, by a long shot.

00:35:47.000 Wow.

00:35:50.000 Wow.

00:35:51.000 That's crazy.

00:35:52.000 So when we came back and had the new cast member, the daughter was Janet Jackson, which was fun.

00:35:59.000 Okay, so you were still on it?

00:36:01.000 I was still on it, yeah.

00:36:02.000 And Janet was all of like 12 or 13 and acting.

00:36:05.000 And so she was your sister?

00:36:06.000 She played the other, she was in the other family.

00:36:08.000 The other family.

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 Okay.

00:36:10.000 So there was two families, and one was African American, and one was your family.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 That's what it was.

00:36:14.000 That was the change that the network made over a week.

00:36:17.000 And they didn't tell anybody?

00:36:18.000 No.

00:36:19.000 You just turned it on one week.

00:36:21.000 Why did they do that?

00:36:21.000 No.

00:36:22.000 Oh, I love network executives. 0.98

00:36:24.000 There are people that are making creative decisions that have never been creative in their fucking life, and it's amazing. 0.96

00:36:29.000 And they're out there pushing buttons and pulling strings. 0.83

00:36:33.000 Aaron Sorkin tells a great story about the pilot of the West Wing, which is sort of – I mean, he wrote a great script, so it's one of the great pilots.

00:36:41.000 And there's a through line of refugees from Cuba braving – All odds on rickety boats to come to America for America's promise. 0.99

00:36:52.000 And that's sort of a thread that's playing through it.

00:36:54.000 And so in the White House, we're talking about it.

00:36:56.000 And President Bartlett talks about it in a way to inspire people.

00:36:59.000 And it's really, really beautiful.

00:37:01.000 And the network was like, listen, we love it.

00:37:05.000 We think the script is great.

00:37:06.000 But we think at the end that the characters need to get into a boat and go to Cuba and pull them out of the water.

00:37:21.000 Don't you just know that's true with your networking?

00:37:22.000 Don't you just know they're like...

00:37:24.000 Oh my god.

00:37:26.000 Because really all you guys are doing is talking about it.

00:37:28.000 I mean, don't you think it's more dramatic if it's actually on the wall?

00:37:32.000 And, you know, you want to see those people pulled out.

00:37:36.000 You know, we think the script's pretty good the way it is.

00:37:38.000 And what did Sorkin say to this?

00:37:39.000 He didn't do it, thank god.

00:37:41.000 He'd take deep breaths.

00:37:42.000 He never took a network note.

00:37:43.000 Not once.

00:37:44.000 That's why it was good.

00:37:44.000 Wow!

00:37:46.000 There was never a representative for the network ever on the set, ever, not once.

00:37:50.000 Ever.

00:37:51.000 That's very fortunate.

00:37:53.000 News Radio, the show that I was on with Phil, wasn't successful.

00:37:56.000 It was a great show, though.

00:37:57.000 We were number 88th in the ratings.

00:38:00.000 And my friend Lou Morton, he was one of the writers, and every week he would come in with a new t-shirt on where he would write the number on the shirt.

00:38:06.000 Because we moved around like nine times.

00:38:09.000 And this was pre-internet, so you had to look at TV Guide to find out when News Radio was on.

00:38:13.000 Jesus.

00:38:13.000 You know, it's like one night we're Tuesday, then we're Sunday, and so he shows up with a t-shirt on that said 88. I'm like, fucking 88?

00:38:20.000 He's like, 88? 1.00

00:38:22.000 I'm like, 88. We're the 88th show.

00:38:25.000 Jesus.

00:38:26.000 I was 62. Yeah, but 88 was like a million people watching back then.

00:38:31.000 It was not good.

00:38:35.000 It's not 19 million.

00:38:37.000 And see, but look, it led you to where you are today.

00:38:39.000 That's the thing, is all that stuff leads somebody, if they're paying attention to where you want to be.

00:38:44.000 If you keep moving.

00:38:45.000 Yeah.

00:38:46.000 You can't be stuck and you can't be scared.

00:38:48.000 Yes.

00:38:49.000 You cannot be stuck and scared.

00:38:50.000 That's the thing about show business, right?

00:38:52.000 It's like this weird world of, I wonder how this is going to be received.

00:38:56.000 I wonder how this is going to work. 1.00

00:38:57.000 Then you're fucked. 1.00

00:38:58.000 You're done, though. 1.00

00:38:59.000 Once you get into that head, you're done.

00:39:01.000 Yeah.

00:39:01.000 Do your best, and if it doesn't work, shrug your shoulders.

00:39:04.000 Move on.

00:39:04.000 Keep moving.

00:39:05.000 If they let you.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 Yeah, if they let you.

00:39:08.000 That's the weird one, right? 0.99

00:39:10.000 When you watch a movie and you're like, oh, where the fuck did that guy go? 0.98

00:39:14.000 Who's the guy from The Mummy? 1.00

00:39:16.000 What the fuck's his name? 1.00

00:39:17.000 Brendan Fraser. 1.00

00:39:18.000 Yes, that guy. 1.00

00:39:19.000 Fucking guy was huge. 1.00

00:39:20.000 Brendan Fraser crashed my Saturday Night Live closing. 0.98

00:39:25.000 You know, at the end they go, goodnight everybody, this has been great, thanks for watching, and everybody's there.

00:39:30.000 He showed up and was screaming the name of his movie that was opening that weekend.

00:39:35.000 Bedazzled! 1.00

00:39:36.000 No!

00:39:38.000 No.

00:39:38.000 Bedazzled!

00:39:39.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:39:40.000 What's happening? 1.00

00:39:41.000 Who are you?

00:39:42.000 Why are you?

00:39:43.000 Brendan Fraser?

00:39:43.000 What are you doing here?

00:39:45.000 Bedazzled! 1.00

00:39:46.000 Whoa.

00:39:47.000 To this day, I don't know what it was about.

00:39:47.000 Don't know.

00:39:49.000 Maybe that's what sunk him.

00:39:51.000 Bedazzled! 1.00

00:39:52.000 Maybe that's what did it to him.

00:39:53.000 Could have been.

00:39:53.000 That mentality.

00:39:55.000 Like, that's not a healthy mindset.

00:39:57.000 I think what happened, probably, is they were going to work him into a sketch that got cut.

00:40:04.000 To promote Bedazzled. 0.99

00:40:06.000 Probably some studio shit. 1.00

00:40:07.000 Some backroom, smoke-filled room shit. 1.00

00:40:09.000 And then he was like, well, I'm going to go out there. 0.99

00:40:11.000 And he's probably a little drunk.

00:40:12.000 I'm going to yell Bedazzled anyway. 1.00

00:40:14.000 Damn. 1.00

00:40:15.000 Dazzled. 1.00

00:40:15.000 But that guy was a giant movie star. 1.00

00:40:18.000 He was huge.

00:40:19.000 Massive.

00:40:20.000 Huge.

00:40:20.000 And The Mummy was massive.

00:40:22.000 Massive.

00:40:23.000 Massive.

00:40:23.000 I just watched it.

00:40:24.000 I told you, me and my family watched Tommy Boy.

00:40:28.000 No!

00:40:28.000 See, we did.

00:40:29.000 We went on, we were doing family movie night because of the quarantine.

00:40:33.000 We watched, like, almost every night, we watched a new movie.

00:40:35.000 I watched all the Adam Sandler movies, watched a shitload of Eddie Murphy movies.

00:40:39.000 We watched The Mummy, watched a couple of The Mummies, and we watched Tommy Boy.

00:40:42.000 How did Tommy Boy stand up? 0.99

00:40:45.000 Fucking holds up. 0.99

00:40:46.000 Does it? 1.00

00:40:46.000 Holds up. 1.00

00:40:47.000 Funny movie, man.

00:40:49.000 Funny movie.

00:40:50.000 Oh, that's awesome. 0.97

00:40:50.000 Goddamn Chris Farley was good. 0.97

00:40:52.000 Oh, bro. 0.98

00:40:53.000 He was, and a great actor.

00:40:57.000 Among all my regrets about Chris's passing was where he would have gone as an actor.

00:41:05.000 Because he was cute.

00:41:07.000 As Spade.

00:41:07.000 Spade's the same.

00:41:08.000 They're acting in that movie.

00:41:10.000 Forget the funny, which is great.

00:41:12.000 But, like, they're, like, legitimate acting moments in that movie.

00:41:15.000 Yes.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:16.000 And I think that's why it has the staying power.

00:41:20.000 But Chris was really going to develop into a real serious actor.

00:41:24.000 A good one, I think. 0.99

00:41:25.000 He was such a fucking powerhouse. 1.00

00:41:28.000 When he would go ape shit. 1.00

00:41:29.000 Look at you guys. 1.00

00:41:30.000 Those two idiots. 1.00

00:41:31.000 Ha ha ha! 1.00

00:41:32.000 I like the part of the movie where Spade looks at me and goes, hey, Lee Harvey, because my hair does look like Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:41:40.000 He was awesome, man.

00:41:42.000 That's the cow tipping scene, which I pitched to the writers.

00:41:47.000 They had never heard of it, and it made it into the movie.

00:41:50.000 Who was your mom slash girlfriend again? 1.00

00:41:53.000 Bo Derek.

00:41:53.000 That's right.

00:41:55.000 Well, that was a great thing because we – you know, she's Bo Derek and her husband John, famous John Derek, was very protective of her and she hadn't worked in a long time.

00:42:06.000 And he made her cut all her hair off the day before she showed up on the set of Tommy Boy.

00:42:12.000 What?

00:42:13.000 We thought we were getting Bo Derek from 10 with the hair and she showed up with hair that's basically my length now.

00:42:22.000 Because John made her do it.

00:42:24.000 Why did he make her do it?

00:42:24.000 I mean, you can do the math.

00:42:26.000 He was like, I want to keep you up in San Yonez riding horses with me.

00:42:30.000 Don't need you to be a movie star again.

00:42:33.000 But she was so lovely.

00:42:34.000 She's the best.

00:42:35.000 She's a really smart...

00:42:37.000 Really smart.

00:42:39.000 Just great woman. 1.00

00:42:42.000 I mean, I got to kiss Bo Derek.

00:42:44.000 I know.

00:42:45.000 For people who don't know, like...

00:42:47.000 What she was in 10?

00:42:48.000 Oh, my God.

00:42:49.000 She was the original white girl with cornrows when it was okay. 1.00

00:42:52.000 You couldn't get canceled for that back then.

00:42:54.000 Yeah.

00:42:54.000 She would have been canceled in a heartbeat.

00:42:56.000 She was the original... 0.98

00:43:00.000 Gigi Hadid.

00:43:02.000 How about that as a reference?

00:43:04.000 Am I cool and young now?

00:43:05.000 I missed it.

00:43:06.000 I've heard that name before, but all I know is her dad got sued because he built a house that's too big.

00:43:12.000 With no permits.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 No, no.

00:43:14.000 Absolutely no permits.

00:43:14.000 I know.

00:43:15.000 It's way too big and the neighbors are worried it's going to fall on them.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:19.000 It looks like a UFO. It's still there.

00:43:21.000 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:43:22.000 They haven't even figured out what to do with it yet.

00:43:23.000 I think there's lawsuits.

00:43:23.000 No.

00:43:25.000 Oh, look at Bo.

00:43:26.000 Back in the day.

00:43:27.000 Woo! 0.99

00:43:28.000 How about the one on the left?

00:43:29.000 Go to that one.

00:43:30.000 Can't.

00:43:31.000 Nips.

00:43:32.000 Bam.

00:43:33.000 Kapow, Google.

00:43:33.000 Kapow.

00:43:34.000 I'm going to go back and do a deeper dive on this. 1.00

00:43:37.000 She was hot as fuck. 1.00

00:43:37.000 Whew. 1.00

00:43:39.000 Perfect bone structure, right?

00:43:40.000 Yeah, she was amazing. 0.99

00:43:41.000 And Tommy, you know, the thing about Farley was he and Spade used to fight over me like I was the girl.

00:43:51.000 Probably because, let's face it, I kind of look like a girl in certain lighting.

00:43:55.000 And they'd be like, I heard you were in the Jacuzzi of the Rob last night.

00:43:59.000 Yeah.

00:44:00.000 Yeah.

00:44:00.000 Oh, he didn't call me.

00:44:02.000 Well, and they would like fight.

00:44:04.000 It was very funny and sweet.

00:44:07.000 One night I took the gang out to Barbarian Steakhouse in Toronto.

00:44:12.000 Great steak.

00:44:12.000 I don't know if they're still there.

00:44:14.000 Chris ordered two bone-in, two bone-in steak, porterhouse steaks.

00:44:19.000 Ate both of them.

00:44:20.000 But on top of each bite, he put a cube of butter. 0.99

00:44:27.000 And when I looked at him like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:44:31.000 He was like, it needs a hat. 1.00

00:44:36.000 So if you want to put a hat on your steak. 1.00

00:44:39.000 Some people just genuinely don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:44:42.000 No fucks given. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Yeah, obviously. 0.99

00:44:44.000 Yeah, he's a wild man.

00:44:45.000 I met him once on the set of news radio.

00:44:47.000 He's partying with Andy Dick.

00:44:48.000 Oh, boy.

00:44:49.000 He showed up gray like wet cardboard.

00:44:52.000 He looked gray.

00:44:54.000 And I'm like, hey, man.

00:44:57.000 He was gone.

00:44:58.000 It was sad.

00:45:00.000 It was weird.

00:45:01.000 He had gray skin.

00:45:02.000 And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, Chris Farley has gray skin.

00:45:05.000 Like, what's going on? 0.99

00:45:06.000 Like, he was sweaty and just all fucked up. 0.99

00:45:10.000 Yeah, he had major, major demons. 0.97

00:45:13.000 And a lot of us really worked hard.

00:45:15.000 You know, we're worked out for you know, but you know, it's some people can't They can't make that leap man. 0.92

00:45:21.000 The thing about him though is the fucking I always wonder about guys like that that are so powerful Like is it the demons that made him so good? 0.95

00:45:30.000 He was so good so good. 1.00

00:45:32.000 He would go apeshit I mean he had the fucking horsepower. 0.99

00:45:35.000 He had it was so stunning You have these scenes where he would just go fucking crazy. 0.99

00:45:41.000 It was so fun Would wonder like what is is that same thing what makes him I mean because it was so real Is that what made him just go crazy with coke and go crazy with everything else?

00:45:54.000 I mean, I think I think like normal people Like I don't see a lot of normal people drawn but why would any normal person want to be?

00:46:03.000 in entertainment, right?

00:46:04.000 Why would they so I think just by default Damaged people, or more articulately, people with a hole to fill, are drawn to entertainment to fill the hole. 1.00

00:46:20.000 And some of the people have other damage too, rage, anger, whatever it is.

00:46:26.000 But without a question, the more normal someone is, I know.

00:46:32.000 Like, unfortunately, less entertaining.

00:46:34.000 Yeah, right?

00:46:35.000 Do you ever find that, though?

00:46:36.000 Yes!

00:46:37.000 Like, you're at dinner or whatever, and they're like, I'm this, and they're like, really, really nice and really, really decent, and I go, I wish you were crazy and damaged like me, because then you'd be really... 0.53

00:46:46.000 Then we could have a fun conversation.

00:46:48.000 Really funny, yeah.

00:46:48.000 Well, that's absolutely the case with comedians.

00:46:51.000 Like, my favorite people are all completely fucked up. 0.99

00:46:55.000 Have you ever met, can you think of a normal, decent, well-rounded, unfucked up person who's hilarious? 0.99

00:47:04.000 No.

00:47:05.000 I'll tell you real quick.

00:47:07.000 Right?

00:47:07.000 No.

00:47:08.000 No.

00:47:09.000 Humor is...

00:47:10.000 A big part of humor is saying things that are radically inappropriate.

00:47:15.000 Right.

00:47:15.000 But maybe accurate.

00:47:17.000 Do you think...

00:47:18.000 Do you think that the culture where everybody is so sensitive today is...

00:47:22.000 It's got to be hard to be...

00:47:24.000 I think it's harder to be funny.

00:47:25.000 Like you can make blazing sound.

00:47:26.000 There's so many movies you couldn't make now.

00:47:29.000 Right.

00:47:30.000 Sure.

00:47:30.000 Or jokes you couldn't tell.

00:47:31.000 I mean, most of Monty Python's movies...

00:47:35.000 I mean, so many.

00:47:36.000 We were watching some old Eddie Murphy movies.

00:47:39.000 Just movies from the 2000s you couldn't make today.

00:47:44.000 Eddie Murphy is still.

00:47:46.000 I mean, what a stud.

00:47:48.000 Oh my god, he's amazing.

00:47:50.000 We were talking about Norbit.

00:47:52.000 I'm like, Norbit is a massively underrated movie.

00:47:55.000 That is a hilarious movie. 0.64

00:47:57.000 And if I looked on Rotten Tomatoes, I think it got like fucking 13% or something like that. 0.72

00:48:01.000 I'm like... 0.93

00:48:02.000 I don't get it.

00:48:03.000 How did you miss this?

00:48:05.000 I was crying laughing.

00:48:07.000 Like wheezing at certain scenes.

00:48:10.000 Nutty Professor? 1.00

00:48:12.000 Nutty Professor 2 is fucking terrible. 0.99

00:48:14.000 And also, The Clumps? 0.99

00:48:15.000 The Clumps?

00:48:16.000 That's 2. That's the second one.

00:48:17.000 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:48:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:19.000 Nutty Professor is insane. 0.99

00:48:20.000 Nutty Professor is insane. 1.00

00:48:21.000 The Nutty Professor 2 is terrible.

00:48:22.000 All those, he plays all those characters?

00:48:24.000 Yeah, well, he's amazing.

00:48:25.000 It's just the script doesn't work in Nutty Professor 2. And then they got rid of Jada Pickett-Smith and replaced her with someone else, too. 0.68

00:48:32.000 It's like, what happened?

00:48:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:35.000 That was a big part of the first movie.

00:48:36.000 He's so good.

00:48:37.000 The Nutty Professor 1 is excellent.

00:48:40.000 But he's just boring.

00:48:41.000 Have you revisited the stand-up specials of Eddie's in the leather suits?

00:48:46.000 I mean, I've seen them all multiple times.

00:48:48.000 I haven't revisited them in the last few years.

00:48:50.000 They're worth having a look again.

00:48:52.000 He's one of the greatest of all time.

00:48:53.000 It's crazy that he hasn't done stand-up in 30 years.

00:48:55.000 As long as you've not been drinking, he hasn't been doing stand-up.

00:48:58.000 Jesus.

00:48:58.000 Well, they were related.

00:49:00.000 I used to run with Eddie.

00:49:02.000 Back in the day a little bit.

00:49:03.000 It was pretty fun.

00:49:04.000 He's amazing.

00:49:05.000 I mean, it's really...

00:49:06.000 Every comic that I know wants him to do Stand Up Again.

00:49:10.000 Every comic.

00:49:11.000 We've talked about it on the podcast before, but there was a thing that he did where he was accepting some award and he was on stage and he did this piece about Bill Cosby.

00:49:11.000 Like, there was a thing...

00:49:21.000 Because him and Bill Cosby always had feuds.

00:49:24.000 Like, it was on one of his older specials.

00:49:26.000 I think it was on Raw.

00:49:27.000 Yeah.

00:49:28.000 Where him and Richard Pryor had a conversation, because Bill Cosby called him and chastised him about delirious, about using bad words.

00:49:35.000 And so he did this whole thing where Bill Cosby, you know, called him and told him, and then he called Richard Pryor.

00:49:40.000 Richard Pryor was like, do the people laugh?

00:49:43.000 Do you get paid? 1.00

00:49:44.000 We'll tell Bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up! 1.00

00:49:48.000 Yes, exactly! 1.00

00:49:49.000 Have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up! 1.00

00:49:50.000 I remember that. 1.00

00:49:52.000 For him, that was painful because, look, every comic was a Bill Cosby fan.

00:49:58.000 Sure. 0.99

00:49:59.000 They found out what the fuck he was really all about, but... 0.99

00:50:01.000 So for him to get a phone call from Bill Cosby, instead of saying, you're amazing, I fucking love what you're doing, I'm in your corner, congratulations, go get him. 0.99

00:50:11.000 Instead, he gets, you should stop saying bad words.

00:50:15.000 So anyway, years later, he hasn't done stand-up in forever, and he accepts this award, and talks about, because they took back Bill Cosby's honorary doctorate, and all these different, they took awards away from him.

00:50:27.000 And he does this whole routine about Bill getting his awards taken away. 0.96

00:50:31.000 And it's fucking brilliant. 0.97

00:50:33.000 And he hasn't done stand-up in 30 years. 0.98

00:50:35.000 And you look at him like, Jesus Christ, if that guy did stand-up right now, he'd have the biggest Netflix special on earth. 0.99

00:50:40.000 And it would probably be an hour of fucking gold. 0.99

00:50:44.000 Just straight gold. 0.99

00:50:45.000 He just isn't, I mean...

00:50:47.000 He's talking about doing it.

00:50:47.000 He's talked about doing it.

00:50:48.000 I bet pre-COVID, he was talking about doing it.

00:50:51.000 I mean, obviously COVID fucked it up for everything.

00:50:53.000 It's really hard to do a show now.

00:50:54.000 Right.

00:50:55.000 And, you know, I don't know where it's going to go.

00:50:58.000 I hope he does it, though.

00:51:00.000 But he's a special talent, a very unique talent.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, and a wonderful enigma.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 You know, he's so nice.

00:51:11.000 He's one of those people, like...

00:51:13.000 That people have all of these...

00:51:15.000 Like, people project things on Eddie.

00:51:18.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:51:18.000 Like, what he's like, what he is, what he isn't.

00:51:20.000 Because he's just one of those guys.

00:51:22.000 And he's kind of an enigma.

00:51:24.000 He's kind of unknowable.

00:51:26.000 But he's such a good dude.

00:51:27.000 Well, he's so talented.

00:51:28.000 I mean, we all grew up with him.

00:51:30.000 You know, 48 hours. 1.00

00:51:32.000 Dude, 48 hours is the shit. 1.00

00:51:36.000 The shit. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Him and Nick Nolte? 1.00

00:51:38.000 Nick Nolte is so...

00:51:43.000 I mean, that movie, I mean, that's the ultimate- Buddy cop movie.

00:51:49.000 There's the Danny Glover one with Mel, but to me, it's all about 48 hours.

00:51:54.000 I wonder if you can make a buddy cop movie anymore, now that everybody hates cops.

00:51:57.000 There they are.

00:51:58.000 Look at them.

00:51:59.000 Could you make a buddy cop movie today?

00:52:01.000 Would people- They don't want you to.

00:52:04.000 They wouldn't want you to.

00:52:04.000 No, they don't want you to, for sure.

00:52:06.000 Like, cop movies.

00:52:07.000 That's one of the biggest genres.

00:52:10.000 Right?

00:52:10.000 There's a screening of kindergarten cop that was supposed to be in Portland or somewhere this weekend that was canceled because people said that it was showing cops in a good light or something like that.

00:52:22.000 I hope they get robbed.

00:52:23.000 I hope everybody says they get robbed.

00:52:25.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

00:52:26.000 Fucks. 1.00

00:52:27.000 You've got to watch. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You ever see Nolte and...

00:52:29.000 I don't really hope they get robbed, by the way.

00:52:31.000 These are just jokes.

00:52:32.000 You ever seen Nolte in Q&A? The movie Q&A? Yes, yes.

00:52:37.000 Now that I remember that, yeah.

00:52:39.000 Where he plays a racist cop?

00:52:40.000 Yes.

00:52:41.000 Oh, he's amazing, man. 1.00

00:52:42.000 You know, there's a fucking movie that's not that good. 0.99

00:52:44.000 It's called Warrior. 0.99

00:52:45.000 It's like this martial arts movie.

00:52:47.000 That was a few years ago.

00:52:48.000 And Nick Nolte plays this guy who is a trainer of one of the fighters.

00:52:53.000 And he's the father of one of the fighters as well. 0.99

00:52:55.000 And he's this alcoholic and he's all fucked up. 0.99

00:52:58.000 And he has this scene where he breaks down and he's crying and weeping. 1.00

00:53:02.000 And you just go, God damn. 0.98

00:53:05.000 If you forget, this is it right here. 0.99

00:53:08.000 He's so good.

00:53:10.000 He's so good.

00:53:12.000 That's the outfit he wears to go to the market in Malibu.

00:53:15.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:53:15.000 I ran into him at Fry's...

00:53:17.000 Look at him right there.

00:53:18.000 I mean, this scene, man...

00:53:19.000 That's also how he orders at McDonald's.

00:53:22.000 Screaming red-faced.

00:53:24.000 I ran into him at Fry's Electronics.

00:53:27.000 He was...

00:53:28.000 Oh, hey, Joe! 0.99

00:53:29.000 He was buying some motherboard or some shit for his kid. 0.99

00:53:32.000 He's just amazing. 0.99

00:53:33.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:53:34.000 So, I gotta tell you how much I'm loving your podcast.

00:53:39.000 I love it.

00:53:39.000 It's great.

00:53:40.000 I'm a big fan.

00:53:40.000 Thank you.

00:53:42.000 And...

00:53:42.000 Thank you.

00:53:51.000 Okay.

00:53:52.000 Okay.

00:54:04.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 And it was fun to watch.

00:54:06.000 But isn't it funny how excited we all are that we just replicated something we did 50 years ago?

00:54:13.000 Well, even better, though.

00:54:14.000 They replicated something in a much more improved way where it can actually come back and land and it's reusable.

00:54:19.000 That's the difference.

00:54:21.000 Don't you think, though, there has to be a secret space program.

00:54:26.000 There has to be.

00:54:27.000 Do you think so?

00:54:30.000 Okay, let's just go through the logic of it.

00:54:32.000 Okay.

00:54:32.000 This is what happens at nighttime when I have a cigar.

00:54:36.000 You sure you don't do drugs?

00:54:36.000 I know.

00:54:37.000 Do you want a cigar?

00:54:38.000 Do you smoke cigars?

00:54:38.000 I do smoke cigars.

00:54:39.000 You want one?

00:54:39.000 I was going to bring one and I forgot, but hell yeah.

00:54:41.000 Here we go.

00:54:42.000 Beautiful.

00:54:43.000 At least we can get some kind of drugs.

00:54:44.000 I know.

00:54:45.000 By the way, I enjoy watching people take drugs. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Let's fucking go. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Let's go. 1.00

00:54:50.000 I do.

00:54:51.000 Do you?

00:54:52.000 Yeah, because...

00:54:53.000 What do you enjoy about it?

00:54:54.000 I have a very expensive wine cellar.

00:54:56.000 I don't drink.

00:54:57.000 You don't drink at all?

00:54:58.000 You just have the wine for other folks?

00:55:00.000 For guests.

00:55:01.000 Wow.

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 But could you have, like, a glass of wine, or are you just a deep-end kind of guy?

00:55:06.000 Nope.

00:55:06.000 Every single person I know who...

00:55:09.000 Either you have the ism of alcoholism, or you don't.

00:55:13.000 And if you have come to terms with the fact that you have it...

00:55:17.000 The day where you go, you know what?

00:55:19.000 I'm going to live in Europe for a while.

00:55:21.000 And gosh, I mean, a glass of red wine at my birthday is not going to come.

00:55:26.000 I'm not going to do heroin anymore.

00:55:29.000 That's what brought me to my knees.

00:55:30.000 But a glass of red wine. 1.00

00:55:31.000 Literally, you can put a fucking stopwatch on it. 0.99

00:55:35.000 And it might not be in a week. 0.99

00:55:37.000 And it might not be in a month.

00:55:39.000 And it might not even be in a year.

00:55:41.000 But I assure you.

00:55:43.000 You'll read about them in the paper, like biting a cop in their stomach and jumping off of a roof.

00:55:50.000 I've been in this game 30 years.

00:55:50.000 100%.

00:55:52.000 I've never seen it go any way other than that.

00:55:54.000 Never.

00:55:55.000 I like to believe there's someone out there that can do it.

00:55:57.000 Just like I like to believe some people can walk tightrobes between two buildings.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, nor people who aren't alcoholics.

00:56:03.000 They can't do it. 1.00

00:56:04.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:56:05.000 What do we got here, bro? 1.00

00:56:07.000 This is good.

00:56:09.000 Okay, why can I not open this?

00:56:12.000 There we go.

00:56:13.000 Got it.

00:56:14.000 Hell, I would have brought my own.

00:56:17.000 Well, I just have this box here from my friend Mike Binder.

00:56:17.000 I don't know.

00:56:20.000 I love Mike.

00:56:22.000 Oh, you know Mike?

00:56:22.000 Yep.

00:56:23.000 He's doing this comedy store documentary, and he bought me a box of cigars.

00:56:30.000 What company is this?

00:56:31.000 Do you know this company?

00:56:33.000 They're great.

00:56:34.000 Mm.

00:56:34.000 Mm-mm.

00:56:35.000 Mm-mm. 1.00

00:56:38.000 There's nothing better than a cigar when you're fasting because you're good and fucked up. 0.99

00:56:42.000 Are you fasting right now? 0.99

00:56:43.000 Yeah.

00:56:43.000 What do you do, the intermittent thing?

00:56:45.000 I do intermittent and then I do every other day a 24-hour.

00:56:49.000 Really?

00:56:50.000 Which I got from Kimmel.

00:56:52.000 Remember that moment where all of a sudden Kimmel didn't look like Kimmel anymore?

00:56:55.000 Lost like 80 pounds.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, and I was like, and I did, and like, you know, in the commercial breaks, the band's playing and people were screaming, you know, Hey, why do you look so good?

00:57:03.000 And he's like, I don't eat every other day!

00:57:06.000 I was like, that's gotta be more!

00:57:07.000 And the board went right back!

00:57:08.000 And I never got to, like, finish the conversation with him, but I've since learned about it, and I've done it, and it's been great.

00:57:16.000 What's the benefits?

00:57:19.000 Honestly, I think at the end of the day, the benefit is just, it's just an easy way to keep the calories down, but I find I'm more focused, and I actually have more energy.

00:57:31.000 That's crazy.

00:57:32.000 If you think about taking a whole day off of eating every other day.

00:57:36.000 But here's the thing.

00:57:37.000 It sounds worse than it is because you eat dinner.

00:57:39.000 So the day goes from dinner to dinner.

00:57:42.000 Right.

00:57:42.000 So there's not an active day that I'm not eating.

00:57:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:47.000 Right?

00:57:48.000 But it's still 24 hours.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, it's a meal.

00:57:50.000 That's what Jack Dorsey does.

00:57:52.000 Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, he eats one meal a day.

00:57:56.000 And he said he realizes that a lot of... 0.98

00:57:59.000 That lighter sucks, unfortunately.

00:58:01.000 Do we have another liner? 0.99

00:58:02.000 No, I'm good, right?

00:58:05.000 No, I'm good.

00:58:08.000 We're good to go.

00:58:09.000 I like this.

00:58:09.000 This is good.

00:58:10.000 Yeah, really good.

00:58:10.000 They're good, right?

00:58:11.000 Yeah, I do intermittent.

00:58:13.000 I do either 14 or 16 hours.

00:58:17.000 And then you're like, you know, low carb, low sugar?

00:58:21.000 Mostly meat.

00:58:22.000 Mostly what I eat is meat.

00:58:24.000 Like almost entirely meat.

00:58:27.000 Veggies?

00:58:27.000 I eat some fruit.

00:58:28.000 Veggies?

00:58:29.000 This whole month, I'm not eating, I'm barely eating any vegetables.

00:58:32.000 What?

00:58:33.000 This is animal-based August.

00:58:35.000 Animal-based August?

00:58:37.000 Yeah, you know, plant-based.

00:58:38.000 I'm plant-based.

00:58:39.000 Well, there's animal-based August.

00:58:41.000 Mostly what I'm eating is meat.

00:58:42.000 Do the vegan army come for you?

00:58:44.000 Oh, they've come.

00:58:45.000 They've come for me.

00:58:46.000 I give them hugs.

00:58:47.000 Look, those animals are going to die. 1.00

00:58:49.000 I'll send them videos of wolves eating elk alive.

00:58:52.000 You know, if you want to see that. 1.00

00:58:53.000 It's better if I kill them. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Trust me. 1.00

00:58:55.000 They don't live forever.

00:58:56.000 And do you fish at all?

00:58:58.000 Yeah, I love fishing.

00:58:58.000 Yeah, my son, Matthew Lowe, is a world-class fisherman.

00:59:03.000 Do you fly fishing?

00:59:05.000 No, it's all deep sea stuff, yeah.

00:59:07.000 And we have a boat and we go out and we, I mean, it's like the sashimi fish tacos.

00:59:13.000 He has a commercial fisherman's license.

00:59:14.000 Really?

00:59:15.000 He's got a law degree and a commercial fisherman's license. 0.99

00:59:17.000 That's fucking balanced. 0.98

00:59:18.000 It's a well-rounded young man. 0.99

00:59:19.000 You did a good job.

00:59:20.000 Congratulations. 0.99

00:59:20.000 Yeah, that's good shit. 0.99

00:59:22.000 And then my other son is a writer on 9-1-1 Lone Star. 1.00

00:59:26.000 No kidding.

00:59:27.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 Wow.

00:59:28.000 I know.

00:59:28.000 Dude, you pulled it off.

00:59:29.000 I did.

00:59:30.000 You got kids.

00:59:32.000 Being a dad is...

00:59:33.000 It's a full-time job, but I love it. 0.79

00:59:35.000 I'm one of those people that, like, for whatever reason, I knew it was what I was born to do immediately, and I devoted every fucking minute to it and loved it, and it paid off.

00:59:48.000 My boys are, you know, Cheryl's a great wife and great partner for me, but I love seeing, like, that kind of time investment.

00:59:59.000 Yeah.

00:59:59.000 Pay off.

01:00:00.000 No, it's beautiful because then they become these sustainable, fascinating human beings.

01:00:07.000 How old are your kids?

01:00:09.000 I have a 23-year-old.

01:00:10.000 I have a 10-year-old and a 12-year-old.

01:00:13.000 That's kind of good.

01:00:14.000 You love going through this because mine are 24 and 26. So the notion of going back and having another crack at it kind of sounds kind of cool.

01:00:24.000 It is kind of cool.

01:00:27.000 What's weird about babies and just humans, they're so different right out of the box.

01:00:32.000 There's so much study on what makes a personality, what makes a human being, whether it's nature or nurture.

01:00:40.000 And people who are parents can tell you.

01:00:43.000 There's certain aspects of a kid's personality that they're just born with.

01:00:47.000 You see them with it as a baby, like right out of the box.

01:00:51.000 One year in, they're different.

01:00:53.000 They're so different.

01:00:56.000 Sometimes my daughters will say something to me, and I just get so stunned just talking to them.

01:01:03.000 I remember when you were this tiny little thing, and now you and I are sitting here, and we're having a conversation about space.

01:01:10.000 Or about mortality.

01:01:12.000 Or about what I think God is.

01:01:14.000 Or about, you know, why do people act mean?

01:01:16.000 You know, I was having this conversation with my daughter, with my 12-year-old, about mean people.

01:01:23.000 And I'm like, believe me, it seems like they're just mean.

01:01:27.000 But they're only mean because they're hurting.

01:01:30.000 That's why people are mean.

01:01:32.000 They feel terrible, so they want you to feel terrible.

01:01:35.000 And we were just having this weird conversation about...

01:01:39.000 Emotions and about where it comes from and you know and how some people their you know their families broken up and because of that they wish that things were normal so they make up lies or they when other people are doing well they get angry at other people like and we were just just talking through this and in the middle of it I'm talking to her and I'm thinking I remember when You're so small.

01:01:59.000 I know.

01:02:00.000 You're this tiny little thing. 1.00

01:02:01.000 And now here you are, this 12-year-old who's like, we're having this intense conversation about emotions and the development of human beings and how to be more compassionate and how there's this instinct to go, fuck her. 1.00

01:02:13.000 And I'm like, I know you have that feeling, but you've got to fight that feeling. 0.99

01:02:16.000 Nobody has that feeling more than me. 1.00

01:02:17.000 That fuck you feeling, I've got a lot of that. 1.00

01:02:20.000 But you've got to keep it locked up. 1.00

01:02:21.000 It's not good for you.

01:02:22.000 It doesn't do you any good either. 1.00

01:02:24.000 When you're like, fuck you, you're really saying fuck yourself. 1.00

01:02:27.000 It's not helping you. 1.00

01:02:28.000 Because you're developing anger instead of developing forgiveness.

01:02:32.000 Like you develop this anger towards a person where it's better, it's hard, but it's better to try to understand why they're that way and why they're lashing out at you.

01:02:42.000 And when you do that, what I was explaining to her is like, it'll be ineffective.

01:02:46.000 Like their mean stuff to you will be ineffective.

01:02:49.000 It doesn't work anymore because you know who you are.

01:02:51.000 So if you know who you are, it'll bother you that they're trying to do it, but it won't You won't change your feelings about yourself.

01:02:59.000 If you don't have a good sense of personal sovereignty, someone can change your feelings about yourself.

01:03:06.000 You know, I remember when I was young, someone could insult me and I would think that they were right. 0.96

01:03:12.000 I'd be like, oh God, I am a loser.

01:03:14.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:03:14.000 Like, fuck, I'm a loser. 1.00

01:03:15.000 Shit. 1.00

01:03:16.000 And I'd go home and I'd feel terrible and I'd feel like a loser. 1.00

01:03:19.000 But if someone does it to you when you have sovereignty, you're like, ah, that feels gross that this person is trying to make me feel bad.

01:03:25.000 But it doesn't change who I am.

01:03:27.000 I know who I am.

01:03:28.000 You gain an understanding through struggle.

01:03:31.000 And we were having this conversation. 0.99

01:03:33.000 I remember thinking, God, it's so weird that people just sort of pop out of vaginas. 1.00

01:03:38.000 You know, you have sex. 0.99

01:03:39.000 Person gets developed. 1.00

01:03:41.000 They pop out of a vagina. 1.00

01:03:42.000 Next thing you know, they're 12 and they're sitting across the dinner table. 1.00

01:03:44.000 Just you and her just chit-chatting.

01:03:47.000 God, so it's amazing.

01:03:49.000 It's true.

01:03:49.000 It's amazing.

01:03:50.000 I always tell my kids that great phrase about bitterness and anger and bitterness is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to drop dead.

01:04:00.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:04:01.000 I love that statement.

01:04:03.000 It's a great one, isn't it?

01:04:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:06.000 You know, worldview, right?

01:04:09.000 Optimism, positivity, rejection of victimhood, all that stuff is so important, I think, in development.

01:04:19.000 They're tools, too.

01:04:19.000 Yeah.

01:04:20.000 They're tools for success because there's so many people that contain—they hold on to that stuff.

01:04:26.000 What's that other expression that anger is a poison that kills the vessel that holds it?

01:04:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:32.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:04:33.000 Yeah, but they do.

01:04:36.000 You can you could use them as tools to understand people, you know like that feeling that you get It's a tool and that the understanding of like how to manage that is a tool You can you can use it and you could understand people better and then you'll recognize it in yourself better and it'll prevent you from making some catastrophic mistakes and One of the things about angry,

01:05:00.000 bitter, spiteful people is that they rarely get anything done.

01:05:03.000 They rarely accomplish anything good.

01:05:05.000 They always have this bitter, horrible feeling that they're carrying around with them.

01:05:14.000 I'm a big believer in therapy and personal digging and growth and stuff like that.

01:05:20.000 I mean, it's part and parcel with my recovery.

01:05:25.000 Recovery is not for everybody, nor should it be, but I think therapy could and should be.

01:05:30.000 I think it should be like going and get your oil checked.

01:05:33.000 Do you do like AA meetings and the whole deal?

01:05:37.000 You know, it's an anonymous program, Joe.

01:05:39.000 Oh, you can't even say it?

01:05:41.000 The AA Gestapo will come and get me.

01:05:44.000 Were they really?

01:05:45.000 If you say you go to AA? Here's why.

01:05:47.000 It's in what they call the traditions, right?

01:05:49.000 It's like the constitution of AA. It's in the constitution.

01:05:54.000 Because the theory is, if I were to say, AA works, I go to AA. And then, God forbid, I slip.

01:06:04.000 Then the person who might have been on the fence about going to AA will go, well, I know that's bullshit. 0.99

01:06:10.000 That guy was in AA and he slipped. 0.98

01:06:12.000 That's the theory about it.

01:06:13.000 That's a weird theory because exercise works, right?

01:06:17.000 You get in shape and then you can just decide to eat Twinkies and you get out of shape.

01:06:21.000 It doesn't mean that exercise doesn't work.

01:06:23.000 Listen, I... There are people that, you know, true traditionalists don't even like people talking with the amount that I talk about recovery publicly for that reason.

01:06:38.000 But my thing is, in this world, addiction is such a fucking killer. 0.99

01:06:43.000 And there are so many families suffering from it. 0.99

01:06:47.000 And every teenager is going to have to figure out their relationship with drugs and alcohol.

01:06:53.000 There isn't one who isn't going to have to.

01:06:55.000 And a lot of people are going to fuck that up and some aren't.

01:06:58.000 But the more that conversation is out there and that people can… Can talk about it openly is better.

01:07:05.000 So I kind of am more public about it just because it's changed my life, saved my life.

01:07:12.000 I don't have alcoholism in my family nor personally, but I admire people who talk about recovery.

01:07:19.000 I think it's important because I think, especially someone like you, because you're a very famous public figure. 0.98

01:07:25.000 And when you talk about addiction and your own struggles, people say, well, fucking Rob Lowe? 0.97

01:07:30.000 How's a problem with booze? 0.99

01:07:32.000 Like, okay.

01:07:32.000 This is like a thing.

01:07:34.000 It's part of being a person.

01:07:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:07:36.000 I think it's very valuable.

01:07:37.000 I think you talking about it is very valuable.

01:07:39.000 I think it's honorable.

01:07:41.000 Well, thanks.

01:07:42.000 I mean, I get a lot out of it because inevitably, you know, I meet people who are earlier on their journey and it reminds me of how bad it can be if you don't keep an eye on it.

01:07:54.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:55.000 Because I'm just one of those people.

01:07:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:56.000 It's like, you know, If it says, take two aspirin, then I immediately think, well, then five's got to be fucking great. 0.89

01:08:06.000 I mean, that is the way my brain works. 0.95

01:08:09.000 Do you think that that's from becoming famous when you're very young?

01:08:13.000 What is the earliest big thing that you did?

01:08:16.000 What was the earliest big project that you did?

01:08:19.000 I mean, it was probably that Karen Carpenter lookalike look thing I had going on. 0.81

01:08:24.000 But like a big...

01:08:25.000 Well, that was sort of...

01:08:26.000 But I mean, you said that was not...

01:08:27.000 Oh, the big knockout...

01:08:28.000 That put me on the teen magazines, though.

01:08:30.000 And that's...

01:08:32.000 I went from like a theater geek who couldn't... 0.99

01:08:36.000 Like none of the cool girls gave a shit about... 1.00

01:08:40.000 Really? 0.99

01:08:40.000 Yeah, because I was a theater geek. 0.99

01:08:42.000 But you're such a good looking fellow.

01:08:43.000 No, I was pretty. 0.99

01:08:44.000 I didn't look like the fucking football playing... 0.99

01:08:47.000 They all wanted the football players and the beach volleyball players. 0.99

01:08:51.000 And in that culture...

01:08:54.000 Like, youth entertainment wasn't a thing.

01:08:56.000 There was no MTV. There was no Us Magazine.

01:08:59.000 There was no Nickelodeon.

01:09:01.000 There was none of it.

01:09:02.000 So, like, it was kind of this, like, thing that...

01:09:05.000 Stars to watch in 87. Look at you.

01:09:08.000 87's late, though. 0.99

01:09:09.000 I mean, you can roll that thing back to 79 and get some good shit. 0.98

01:09:16.000 Duran Duran. 0.98

01:09:17.000 Look at Michael J. Fox.

01:09:19.000 Look at him.

01:09:21.000 The monkeys were still around.

01:09:22.000 Duran Duran.

01:09:22.000 What?

01:09:23.000 You know, it's funny how in Europe, things that are almost campy here are still cool. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Like, Mirko Krokop is one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time. 0.98

01:09:32.000 He's this kickboxer. 0.99

01:09:33.000 He used to come out to Duran Duran.

01:09:35.000 That was his walkout song.

01:09:36.000 Come out to Wild Boys.

01:09:37.000 Wild Boys!

01:09:38.000 Wild Boys! 1.00

01:09:39.000 I mean, he's a fucking straight-up killer. 1.00

01:09:42.000 He's a terrifying human being. 1.00

01:09:44.000 I didn't even come out to Duran Duran.

01:09:46.000 That's unbelievable.

01:09:47.000 That's awesome.

01:09:48.000 I loved it.

01:09:49.000 I was like, that is the scariest human being on earth. 1.00

01:09:52.000 That's a fucking Duran Duran fan. 0.99

01:09:54.000 This is going to be like, who's the baseball player? 1.00

01:09:57.000 And you're like, Babe Ruth?

01:09:57.000 Yeah, that's him.

01:09:58.000 But who's the fucking gnarly motherfucker from Hawaii? 1.00

01:10:03.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:10:03.000 BJ Penn. 1.00

01:10:04.000 BJ. So BJ, when I met BJ, and I don't know anything really much about the sport, he was like, you know that before every match I watch Youngblood.

01:10:13.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.97

01:10:13.000 What? 0.97

01:10:14.000 Are you kidding me? 0.90

01:10:16.000 BJ's crazy. 1.00

01:10:17.000 He's crazy. 1.00

01:10:18.000 He's so crazy. 1.00

01:10:20.000 So fucking nuts. 1.00

01:10:21.000 That's funny. 1.00

01:10:22.000 Yeah, but that...

01:10:23.000 I don't think...

01:10:24.000 So you don't think they're connected?

01:10:25.000 Becoming very famous at an early age sort of exacerbates...

01:10:29.000 Because I would imagine...

01:10:30.000 It blows it up, but you've got to have it in you.

01:10:32.000 Okay.

01:10:34.000 Is it a family thing?

01:10:35.000 Is it genetic?

01:10:36.000 It's partially genetics.

01:10:38.000 It's in the family for sure, 100%.

01:10:40.000 It's in my family, both sides of the family.

01:10:43.000 But some people don't have it.

01:10:45.000 Some people do.

01:10:47.000 And what exacerbates it is the access, all the stuff that you'd think.

01:10:52.000 It's like fame and money and all that is jet fuel for addiction.

01:10:57.000 And then on the other side of it is there's always in the back of your mind...

01:11:01.000 That if it works out, if I get this movie or I get this part or whatever, then I'll feel better about myself.

01:11:10.000 And then you get it, and you don't. 1.00

01:11:13.000 And then you're really fucked. 0.99

01:11:14.000 So that's why when people go, he had it all! 1.00

01:11:16.000 I don't understand!

01:11:18.000 I go, I understand.

01:11:19.000 I understand perfectly.

01:11:20.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:11:21.000 His dreams came true, and they didn't fucking change who he was. 0.96

01:11:25.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:26.000 Did you ever have imposter syndrome?

01:11:29.000 Oh, yeah, right.

01:11:33.000 I have a lot of syndromes.

01:11:36.000 But I'm not sure I've had that one.

01:11:38.000 You think you didn't have it because you were famous early on?

01:11:43.000 Maybe.

01:11:44.000 I mean...

01:11:45.000 It was like a normal thing to be famous?

01:11:46.000 No, because I also had a vision when I was a kid that I was going to do what I was going to do.

01:11:50.000 Really?

01:11:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:51.000 It was like...

01:11:52.000 I knew it.

01:11:53.000 I knew it.

01:11:55.000 As sure as I'm sitting here smoking a cigar with you, I knew it.

01:11:57.000 I knew I was going to be an actor.

01:11:59.000 I knew I was going to be successful.

01:12:00.000 And I knew it was going to happen. 1.00

01:12:02.000 I was too young and too stupid. 1.00

01:12:02.000 And here's the thing. 1.00

01:12:05.000 To know otherwise.

01:12:06.000 And no one told me different.

01:12:08.000 I'm so grateful that I didn't have someone telling me that 99% of the people in the Screen Actors Guild...

01:12:16.000 These are people who are acting, who've made it.

01:12:18.000 They're in Hollywood and they're acting.

01:12:20.000 99% of them can't support themselves as an actor.

01:12:23.000 Really?

01:12:24.000 That's a true statistic.

01:12:26.000 That's a crazy number.

01:12:27.000 Now, if somebody had told me that... 0.82

01:12:29.000 It might have fucked me up and maybe my vision would have weakened. 0.98

01:12:34.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, that's interesting, right?

01:12:38.000 Like, if someone gives you, like, someone made it, you made it, people are, obviously there's movies, people are making it.

01:12:44.000 Like I said to my kids, I said, listen, I don't know what the odds are, but somebody's got to do it.

01:12:48.000 Why not you?

01:12:48.000 Yes, that's a good way to look at it.

01:12:50.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 Yeah.

01:12:52.000 I mean, that was the thing.

01:12:54.000 So I had that, which is both a curse and a blessing, because I knew I didn't have to go through the thing that so many people do where they don't really know where they fit in the world and don't know what their gift is.

01:13:05.000 I don't know what they want to do with their lives.

01:13:06.000 So you never wavered.

01:13:07.000 You had this idea.

01:13:08.000 How old were you when you figured it out?

01:13:10.000 Eight.

01:13:11.000 Jesus.

01:13:11.000 I saw a local theater production in Dayton, Ohio of Oliver, of all things.

01:13:16.000 My parents must have known one of the actors.

01:13:19.000 And there were kids in it.

01:13:22.000 And it was literally like out of a movie, like the light hit me and the skies parted.

01:13:29.000 And I went, I want to do that.

01:13:31.000 And there was a sign-up sheet for summer kid acting camp or whatever.

01:13:37.000 And I go, I want to do that.

01:13:38.000 And my parents are like, yeah, yeah, sure.

01:13:40.000 And I'm sure they thought it was like...

01:13:42.000 Just camp or Little League or any other thing that a kid would, but I knew it was the beginning of a step of what I wanted to do.

01:13:49.000 I was deadly serious about it.

01:13:51.000 Wow.

01:13:52.000 That's incredible.

01:13:54.000 That's very fortunate.

01:13:55.000 Because then you just have to work towards your path.

01:13:58.000 Like so many people are like 30 and they don't know what they want to do with their life.

01:14:01.000 They're doing something they don't enjoy and they're like, I want to find something that I enjoy.

01:14:06.000 Yeah.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:16.000 Yeah.

01:14:28.000 And we've had those – my favorites.

01:14:31.000 So my youngest son, John Owen, was the youngest intern at the Eli Broad Stem Cell Laboratory in the University of San Francisco.

01:14:46.000 During his summers in high school and, in fact, was next to one of the scientists that won the Nobel Prize that year.

01:14:53.000 So he gets into Stanford, goes to Stanford, graduates with straight A's.

01:14:59.000 And I'm thinking, I've done it as a parent.

01:15:02.000 He's done it.

01:15:03.000 And then he comes back and goes, I want to be in show business. 0.97

01:15:05.000 And I wanted to kill myself. 0.95

01:15:06.000 Yeah.

01:15:08.000 I was like, it was actually worse than I want to be in show business.

01:15:11.000 It was worse.

01:15:12.000 Because it was, I want to be an actor.

01:15:14.000 And I wanted to publicly disembowel myself.

01:15:18.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:15:19.000 You are a successful actor.

01:15:22.000 You love doing it.

01:15:23.000 But yet...

01:15:25.000 You didn't want your kid to do it.

01:15:27.000 Isn't it amazing?

01:15:27.000 It's weird.

01:15:28.000 It is really weird, and there's so much to sort of unpack underneath that.

01:15:32.000 Yeah.

01:15:33.000 Well, I don't think you want your kids to be in pain, right?

01:15:36.000 The uncertainty of it.

01:15:37.000 Yeah.

01:15:38.000 It's like, you... 0.98

01:15:40.000 I always used to read about this quote about Henry Fonda, that to the day he died, and he died with the Oscar for fucking... 0.98

01:15:49.000 On Golden Pond? 0.98

01:15:49.000 On Golden Pond next to him. 0.98

01:15:51.000 He thought he would never work again.

01:15:53.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:15:55.000 And I was like, that has to be bullshit. 1.00

01:15:57.000 Guess what? 0.99

01:15:58.000 It's not.

01:15:59.000 It's not.

01:16:01.000 But then the other thing I would get, and this is the other really weird thing, is I'd wake up in the middle of the night and go, oh, my instinct to beat every creative fucking instinct out of my children is now indicted them and sentenced them to a life of a drone in a cubicle. 0.64

01:16:19.000 Ooh, way worse. 0.73

01:16:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:21.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:16:23.000 Like your instinct to protect them from uncertainty has led them to the certainty of doom.

01:16:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:16:30.000 Ugh.

01:16:31.000 And then you realize, you know what, they're going to be who they are.

01:16:34.000 And Johnny is a really talented writer and he's found his niche and ironically went right to work, right out of Stanford.

01:16:45.000 So it all kind of works out.

01:16:48.000 It really does. 0.99

01:16:50.000 But we do as dads put our own fears and our own shit on our kids. 0.99

01:16:55.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:16:56.000 There's no doubt.

01:16:58.000 You know, if one of my kids told me they wanted to be a comic, I'd be terrified.

01:17:02.000 Right?

01:17:03.000 Plus, also, it's like...

01:17:05.000 I don't...

01:17:09.000 There's certain parts of comedy that are so painful, like the bombing.

01:17:16.000 Like, I don't think I could be there if my kid was bombing.

01:17:20.000 I would feel it as much as them.

01:17:22.000 Do you remember...

01:17:24.000 A joke that you told once that bombed?

01:17:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:17:27.000 Really?

01:17:28.000 Oh, my God.

01:17:29.000 You remember the joke or a joke?

01:17:31.000 Dude, I've bombed a lot.

01:17:32.000 I just can't believe that. 1.00

01:17:34.000 I had George Lopez on my podcast two days ago, and he was talking about bombing, but you're a fucking Fred Rogan. 0.99

01:17:40.000 You're a Joe Rogan. 1.00

01:17:41.000 He's fucking George Lopez. 1.00

01:17:43.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:17:44.000 You guys don't bomb. 0.99

01:17:45.000 You have to come up with new material, and if you're going to come up with new material, some of them are going to be duds.

01:17:50.000 That's just how it is.

01:17:52.000 And also, you have to take chances if you want to expand.

01:17:52.000 Yeah.

01:17:56.000 Like, comedy is, there's a bunch of things going on, right?

01:17:59.000 There's you relating to the audience, there's them liking you, there's these concepts you're trying to flesh out.

01:18:07.000 Especially in a workout room like the Comedy Store, you have to take chances.

01:18:11.000 There's no way around it.

01:18:13.000 And sometimes those chances fall flat on their face.

01:18:15.000 The good thing is through those painful failures, those are like the biggest springboards to improvement and growth.

01:18:21.000 Every time I've ever had a bad set, my next set has been amazing.

01:18:24.000 Because you just feel the sting and you prepare better.

01:18:27.000 And also, I think my past bombings have prepared me to not bomb again because of the fact that I know what it feels like to suck.

01:18:38.000 I always explain it that it's like, if someone says, what's bombing like?

01:18:38.000 It's so...

01:18:41.000 It's like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. 1.00

01:18:44.000 Except there's probably someone out there that likes sucking a thousand dicks in front of their mother. 1.00

01:18:49.000 No one likes bombing. 1.00

01:18:51.000 You know, there's probably some guy who's just really into humiliation, but I don't think there's no one out there who's into bombing.

01:18:57.000 Oh, man.

01:18:58.000 I just...

01:18:59.000 Yeah.

01:19:00.000 But because it's like...

01:19:01.000 Oh, well, listen, listen.

01:19:02.000 What am I... I will bet you that no one has bombed harder than me.

01:19:08.000 Bro, that's not possible.

01:19:09.000 You need to come to the comments to him and open mic mic.

01:19:11.000 Bro.

01:19:13.000 How is it possible that no one's bombed?

01:19:14.000 By the way, your trusty savant next to us...

01:19:18.000 Young Jamie?

01:19:19.000 Will pull up...

01:19:21.000 Did you do stand-up?

01:19:22.000 He can pull up me bombing...

01:19:25.000 In front of a billion people.

01:19:28.000 What did you do?

01:19:29.000 The Academy Awards.

01:19:31.000 Ooh, you hosted it?

01:19:32.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:19:36.000 You talk about bombing. 1.00

01:19:37.000 My dick's bigger than your dick about bombing. 1.00

01:19:40.000 I'm 24? 1.00

01:19:44.000 24 years old.

01:19:46.000 I'm doing my movies.

01:19:48.000 The Academy Awards ask me to do a big opening number for them. 1.00

01:19:54.000 I'm like, holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Can we play it? 1.00

01:19:57.000 Yeah.

01:19:58.000 We'll get pulled off of YouTube? 0.99

01:19:59.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:20:02.000 I'll play it for us. 0.99

01:20:05.000 Before you play it, I need to get a little context.

01:20:07.000 Oh, stop! 0.95

01:20:11.000 Stop! 1.00

01:20:11.000 Or I'll bomb again. 1.00

01:20:13.000 I'll bomb right now. 0.99

01:20:14.000 Again. 0.89

01:20:15.000 So, they say to me...

01:20:16.000 They go, we want you to do...

01:20:18.000 And I'm like...

01:20:18.000 What year is this?

01:20:19.000 High Honor.

01:20:20.000 86. Okay.

01:20:21.000 High Honor. 1.00

01:20:22.000 Fucking Academy Awards. 0.99

01:20:23.000 Sure. 1.00

01:20:24.000 I should have, like, probably thought it through.

01:20:24.000 And...

01:20:29.000 Because the idea didn't sound great to me.

01:20:33.000 But it's the Academy Awards.

01:20:35.000 You know, they know better than I do.

01:20:37.000 It's their show.

01:20:38.000 Right.

01:20:39.000 And the idea is it's going to be an homage to old-time Hollywood.

01:20:44.000 And one of the earliest stars in Hollywood was Snow White, the animated figure.

01:20:49.000 So we're going to have a girl obviously playing Snow White, and we're going to do a duet because it's a big opening musical number.

01:20:56.000 The Oscars always used to open with musical numbers before there were monologues.

01:21:00.000 Really?

01:21:00.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:02.000 Yes.

01:21:03.000 This ended it.

01:21:07.000 It's ended it.

01:21:09.000 So I'm like, okay.

01:21:14.000 Okay.

01:21:15.000 Great.

01:21:15.000 Okay.

01:21:16.000 And anyway, Marvin Hamlisch is going to write it.

01:21:20.000 Marvin Hamlisch.

01:21:21.000 I'm like, I know Marvin Hamlisch as he wrote The Sting.

01:21:24.000 Well, Scott Joplin wrote The Sting.

01:21:25.000 But Marvin Hamlisch won the Academy Award for that.

01:21:28.000 He's a double Oscar.

01:21:29.000 He's a genius.

01:21:31.000 And, you know, I'm not going to tell Marvin Hamlisch that I think that the lyrics are cheesy.

01:21:36.000 I'm not going to do that.

01:21:37.000 So when they get Ike and Tina Turner's Proud Mary and change the lyrics to, Did a lot of work for Walt Disney.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, oh no.

01:21:51.000 Like I'm saying, it's a bomb.

01:21:53.000 You and I are going to watch this, and we're going to pause for the people at home.

01:21:57.000 If you need to watch this, YouTube, Jamie, what is it?

01:22:01.000 It's on the Hollywood Reporter's website.

01:22:03.000 I don't know why it's there.

01:22:05.000 What is the title of the actual video?

01:22:07.000 Is that the title?

01:22:07.000 Rob Lowe Bombs?

01:22:08.000 Yeah, something like that.

01:22:09.000 I don't know.

01:22:09.000 Disasterous Open.

01:22:10.000 Rob Lowe and Snow White's disastrous Oscar opening February 20th, 2013. That's actually the title for the people.

01:22:17.000 It literally says disastrous.

01:22:20.000 Okay.

01:22:21.000 Folks at home, Google this, watch it, and then we're going to pick this up after Rob and I watch this.

01:22:29.000 Is that Lily Tomlin at the end?

01:22:31.000 No, that's a truncated version.

01:22:33.000 They didn't give you much of it.

01:22:35.000 But can I tell you something?

01:22:37.000 We're bad.

01:22:38.000 That was the year that Barry Levinson...

01:22:42.000 I could tell just from the first bar that it was going to be bad when you were singing.

01:22:48.000 Did you take singing lessons?

01:22:49.000 No.

01:22:50.000 I actually found the whole thing.

01:22:51.000 What's that?

01:22:51.000 You found the whole thing?

01:22:52.000 It's 11 minutes long.

01:22:53.000 No, it's 11 minutes of sheer terror.

01:22:54.000 That's on YouTube if you want.

01:22:56.000 Oh, okay.

01:22:57.000 Of 11 minutes that ruined Hollywood producer Alan Carr's career forever.

01:23:01.000 Hold on.

01:23:02.000 We'll be right back.

01:23:04.000 He's like, wait.

01:23:05.000 Just hang on.

01:23:06.000 Hang on, folks.

01:23:07.000 I need to see...

01:23:08.000 I get it.

01:23:10.000 I get it.

01:23:11.000 Okay, we're back.

01:23:12.000 Okay, so I look out in the middle of...

01:23:14.000 I look out in the middle of the audience, and I see Barry Levinson.

01:23:18.000 On this Oscars, he's about to win literally 11 Academy Awards.

01:23:23.000 As an actor, there's no one you would want to impress more than Barry Levinson.

01:23:27.000 It's the year of Rain Man.

01:23:29.000 And I look out, Joe, in the middle of this, and I see his face.

01:23:33.000 I'm not kidding, and this is what he literally was going.

01:23:36.000 He went like this... 1.00

01:23:37.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:23:39.000 You see him actually make those... 1.00

01:23:41.000 I see him mouth the words, what the fuck? 1.00

01:23:45.000 And so... 1.00

01:23:47.000 Talk about bombing.

01:23:48.000 And I'm like, but you know, we have to have our actor's denial.

01:23:52.000 Like, we can't get through a career without a healthy dose of denial.

01:23:56.000 So I'm like, you know what? 1.00

01:23:57.000 Fuck Barry Levinson. 1.00

01:23:58.000 What does he know anyway? 1.00

01:23:59.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

01:24:00.000 And I go backstage... 1.00

01:24:03.000 And it's in the green room and it's early in the show and there's an older lady in the corner with flaming red hair and I'm kind of looking at her and she sees me and she goes, Young man, I didn't know you were such a good singer.

01:24:16.000 Come sit down.

01:24:16.000 It was Lucille Ball.

01:24:18.000 And I went over and we sat down and she held my hand and we watched the Oscars together and you know what?

01:24:27.000 It made it all almost worthwhile.

01:24:31.000 Almost.

01:24:32.000 Oof.

01:24:33.000 Here's why that's not as bad as bombing doing stand-up.

01:24:36.000 How is that not as bad?

01:24:37.000 It's not as bad.

01:24:38.000 Because even though a billion people watched it, A, you didn't write it, and B, you knew where you were going. 1.00

01:24:44.000 You could just sing the stupid song and get it over with. 1.00

01:24:47.000 It's bombing. 1.00

01:24:47.000 It's terrible. 1.00

01:24:48.000 It's bad.

01:24:49.000 But when you're bombing doing stand-up...

01:24:52.000 You are the writer.

01:24:54.000 You are the creator.

01:24:57.000 You are the performer.

01:24:58.000 You put it together.

01:24:59.000 You edited it.

01:25:00.000 You prepared it.

01:25:02.000 You got it ready. 1.00

01:25:03.000 And then you're just up there eating shit. 1.00

01:25:07.000 And people are angry at you. 1.00

01:25:09.000 They're angry.

01:25:10.000 They're angry because they can talk.

01:25:11.000 Oh, they were angry.

01:25:12.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:25:13.000 They were angry.

01:25:14.000 Here's the other thing they did.

01:25:15.000 It never occurred to the Academy that they needed to license the likeness of Snow White.

01:25:22.000 What?

01:25:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:23.000 Oh, no.

01:25:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:25.000 And you know how Disney is about likenesses.

01:25:28.000 They're so easygoing.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, they're so generous.

01:25:31.000 So generous.

01:25:32.000 So...

01:25:34.000 See, I think I would have gotten away with it a little bit in terms of history had there not been massive lawsuits the next day over the likeness thing.

01:25:45.000 Oh, so then people thought about it again. 0.98

01:25:47.000 When people went back and went, wait a minute, that fucking sucked way worse than I thought it did. 0.96

01:25:54.000 What was the next thing you did after that? 0.97

01:25:58.000 I think, let's see, would it have been...

01:26:02.000 I feel like it might have been Bad Influence with James Spader and Kurt.

01:26:06.000 One of my favorite movies I got to do.

01:26:07.000 That's a great movie.

01:26:08.000 That's a good way to bounce back.

01:26:08.000 I love that movie.

01:26:10.000 That was a good one.

01:26:11.000 Let's look at the bright side.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 No, listen.

01:26:13.000 And it is a...

01:26:15.000 Did you consider saying no?

01:26:17.000 No.

01:26:18.000 A people-pleasing Midwesterner at 24 does not say no to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

01:26:27.000 They don't. 0.98

01:26:28.000 And every year, every year I am treated to the honor, the high honor, of being on the list of most embarrassing Oscar moments every fucking year. 0.95

01:26:37.000 And my thing is this, is I go, hey, wait, guys. 0.91

01:26:41.000 You couldn't figure out how to announce the best picture two years ago, and I'm the problem!

01:26:48.000 Still?

01:26:53.000 Well, it wasn't your fault.

01:26:55.000 I mean, no one would have saved that.

01:26:57.000 No one.

01:26:58.000 No one. 1.00

01:26:59.000 Not a fucking human being could have jumped up there and sang that and had it made any sense. 0.99

01:27:04.000 Maybe Jim Carrey. 0.99

01:27:06.000 Yes, maybe Jim Carrey.

01:27:07.000 Maybe Jim Carrey could have done it. 0.63

01:27:08.000 But he would have gone full Ace Ventura over the top and people would have been just laughing hysterically at how crazy he is.

01:27:17.000 It's one of my great career lowlights slash highlights.

01:27:22.000 It actually kind of makes me laugh with the onset of perspective in history.

01:27:28.000 That's the beautiful thing about failures.

01:27:29.000 They eventually become funny and they can look back at them.

01:27:33.000 It only took 30 years.

01:27:34.000 It's great.

01:27:35.000 Like there's some movies, man, that are terrible, terrible movies, but they're really funny to revisit, right?

01:27:41.000 Like Showgirls.

01:27:43.000 Things along those lines.

01:27:44.000 Oh, sure.

01:27:45.000 I'm a big Showgirls fan. 0.99

01:27:46.000 It's a fucking great movie. 0.99

01:27:47.000 I think they might have offered me Showgirls. 1.00

01:27:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:50.000 I think they might offer me the Kyle McLaughlin.

01:27:52.000 Really?

01:27:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:54.000 I'm pretty sure. 0.99

01:27:54.000 Well, you would have had sex with Elizabeth Berkley in the water. 0.99

01:27:57.000 That crazy scene where she's spazzing out while he's having sex with her. 0.99

01:28:01.000 Do you remember that? 0.99

01:28:02.000 She's spazzing.

01:28:03.000 Oh, my God.

01:28:03.000 It's one of the craziest scenes ever.

01:28:05.000 It didn't make any sense.

01:28:06.000 Why is she spazzing? 1.00

01:28:07.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:28:08.000 It's like they were on coke when they were doing the movie, writing the movie, performing the movie, and their connection with what's realistic or even entertaining or even possible doesn't make any sense.

01:28:19.000 Like if you were having sex with a woman and she was flailing around like that and you kept going, you'd be a criminal. 0.52

01:28:25.000 Like she's having a seizure. 0.98

01:28:26.000 There's something wrong.

01:28:27.000 They were in a pool, and for whatever reason, she starts flopping.

01:28:33.000 I mean, they're making out, he's got his arm around her, and she's throwing her body, slapping it against the water in this insane way.

01:28:44.000 I just want to know, who was filming that and was like, cut!

01:28:47.000 We got it! 0.99

01:28:48.000 We fucking got it! 1.00

01:28:50.000 You got that one! 1.00

01:28:50.000 We got it! 1.00

01:28:52.000 We got it! 0.99

01:28:53.000 You could hear the fucking jackhammer heart rate of everyone who's filming it because they're all coked up. 0.99

01:29:01.000 Have you seen that scene? 0.99

01:29:02.000 I'm trying to find the non-porn site that has it posted so we can watch it.

01:29:07.000 YouTube doesn't have it?

01:29:10.000 Porn sites have it?

01:29:12.000 Is she topless in it? 1.00

01:29:14.000 Is that what it is?

01:29:15.000 I think so, probably.

01:29:17.000 I don't even remember the topless part. 0.95

01:29:19.000 It was so ridiculous.

01:29:20.000 I mean, there's no nudity in movies anymore, but in the 80s, I had the page 73 rule, because that's always the page the nude seeds were on.

01:29:32.000 They were always on page 73. Why?

01:29:35.000 Because that's the middle of the set.

01:29:36.000 Here it is.

01:29:37.000 So they're making out.

01:29:38.000 Yeah, he's pouring.

01:29:40.000 Oh, there you go. 0.87

01:29:41.000 Naked.

01:29:41.000 Not on YouTube stuff.

01:29:43.000 Yeah, ex-videos.

01:29:44.000 So, they start fooling around, and she gets on top of them, and then once they start doing it, she starts flailing.

01:29:51.000 I mean, you see it here, it looks almost normal.

01:29:53.000 What is she doing?

01:29:54.000 This looks almost normal.

01:29:55.000 Almost. 0.97

01:29:56.000 She's just crazy. 1.00

01:29:57.000 But then she gets really spastic, and she starts throwing herself on the fucking water. 1.00

01:30:03.000 Look at this, look at this. 0.99

01:30:04.000 Come on, man, what's happening here?

01:30:05.000 What is that?

01:30:09.000 Is that for real?

01:30:10.000 Yes, it is for real!

01:30:12.000 That was in the movie!

01:30:13.000 And people have to remember, she's the sweetheart from Saved by the Bell, right?

01:30:18.000 And this was going to be her break from Saved by the Bell.

01:30:22.000 This beautiful girl. 0.99

01:30:24.000 And he's the guy from fucking Blue Velvet. 1.00

01:30:28.000 I had forgotten. 0.99

01:30:30.000 Can you imagine making that movie today?

01:30:32.000 No.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, no, page 73, because it's the middle of act two, and any writer out there knows that the middle of the second act is the Sahara of creativity. 0.77

01:30:41.000 That's when you're alone with your thoughts, and you're like, fuck, we've got to get to the ending. 0.95

01:30:46.000 Someone's got to get naked. 1.00

01:30:47.000 Someone's got to get naked, and usually it would have been me. 0.99

01:30:50.000 How many times did you show your butt in a movie? 0.99

01:30:52.000 How many, if you get a guess? 0.99

01:30:52.000 Too many. 0.99

01:30:54.000 It was the 80s.

01:30:55.000 That's what we did.

01:30:57.000 That's what we did.

01:30:58.000 It was my job.

01:31:01.000 This was 90s.

01:31:02.000 That movie was like 90s.

01:31:03.000 It was right at the end, yeah.

01:31:04.000 I was in Hollywood.

01:31:05.000 I was living here, so I moved here in 94, so that had to be like 95, right?

01:31:10.000 I think 97. 97. Oh, there you go.

01:31:12.000 This was also the era where Coke was openly sold on sets.

01:31:17.000 Really?

01:31:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:19.000 Sure.

01:31:19.000 Wow.

01:31:21.000 It was either the camera department or the prop department.

01:31:21.000 Wow.

01:31:25.000 Makes more sense to be the prop department, and their job is to go and get shit for you, right? 0.99

01:31:29.000 Yeah, makes sense. 0.97

01:31:30.000 You know, when we did Outsiders, we were kids, you know, Cruz and me and Matt Dillon and everybody, we were young.

01:31:39.000 I was 17. Whoa!

01:31:41.000 17 turning 18, and see Thomas Howell, who played Ponyboy, the lead in the movie, was 15. And when we would finish shooting, we'd get in the vans to get driven back to the hotel, and there would be as much beer as you wanted.

01:31:57.000 He's 15. Wow!

01:31:58.000 As much beer as you wanted.

01:31:59.000 And that was a studio movie.

01:32:01.000 Look at you guys.

01:32:02.000 Look at Tom Cruise for you.

01:32:03.000 Can you pull that photo up to see our feet?

01:32:06.000 Is that possible?

01:32:07.000 Because...

01:32:09.000 It's down there.

01:32:09.000 There it is.

01:32:11.000 Okay, look at Swayze.

01:32:14.000 He's standing on bricks.

01:32:15.000 Lose feet.

01:32:17.000 He wanted to be taller.

01:32:19.000 Isn't that great?

01:32:21.000 Swayze's standing on bricks in the back of that.

01:32:23.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:32:24.000 That's my favorite.

01:32:24.000 Isn't that great?

01:32:26.000 That's my favorite thing.

01:32:27.000 Speaking of Swayze, Roadhouse, that's another horrible movie that's amazing.

01:32:31.000 But people, yeah, people love that movie.

01:32:32.000 Oh, it's great. 0.99

01:32:34.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

01:32:35.000 It's great. 1.00

01:32:36.000 He's a bouncer?

01:32:37.000 Yeah, he's the baddest bouncer.

01:32:37.000 Yeah.

01:32:39.000 And that's part of the thing.

01:32:40.000 He's like, I thought you were going to be bigger.

01:32:43.000 Remember that?

01:32:43.000 That's like one of the lines in the movie.

01:32:45.000 Because he's a legendary bouncer that they bring in to fix really bad honky-tonks.

01:32:50.000 The bad problems at the door.

01:32:52.000 Yeah.

01:32:53.000 It's a pandemic of people trying to get in.

01:32:56.000 The VIPs.

01:32:58.000 He grabs someone's neck and pulls their throat out in the movie.

01:33:01.000 I mean...

01:33:02.000 It's so good.

01:33:06.000 Pain don't hurt.

01:33:06.000 That's the actual line in the movie.

01:33:08.000 Pain don't hurt.

01:33:09.000 Those 80s lines are so good.

01:33:11.000 Oh, so good.

01:33:12.000 That's such a great one because he's so beautiful.

01:33:14.000 Such a beautiful man.

01:33:15.000 Swayze was an Adonis.

01:33:17.000 He's gorgeous.

01:33:17.000 He was an Adonis.

01:33:18.000 He tried to get us to put that godforsaken song, She's Like the Wind, in Youngblood.

01:33:24.000 We were like...

01:33:26.000 There it is.

01:33:27.000 He pulls the throat out.

01:33:28.000 Oh, he pulls the guy's throat out. 0.99

01:33:29.000 And then he hits him with the worst spinning back kick ever in the butt. 0.99

01:33:32.000 He pulls his throat out and look at this. 0.99

01:33:32.000 Watch. 0.99

01:33:37.000 It's so bad.

01:33:38.000 It's such a bad kick.

01:33:40.000 He probably blew his ACL out doing that. 1.00

01:33:42.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:33:43.000 He was the best, man. 1.00

01:33:45.000 He might be the most intense guy I ever worked with.

01:33:48.000 Really?

01:33:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:50.000 He'd be up all night writing and doing body weight push-ups with his feet up against a wall all night long.

01:33:57.000 Really?

01:33:58.000 And then show up at this set having not slept and wanting you to hear his new demo.

01:34:01.000 He was like a lot.

01:34:02.000 It was great.

01:34:04.000 It was great.

01:34:07.000 But no, I remember she's like the wind, and I was like, I don't know how that fits in a...

01:34:11.000 We're making a hockey movie, bro.

01:34:13.000 I don't know how that...

01:34:15.000 That fits in the hockey movie.

01:34:16.000 Why did he want that in there?

01:34:17.000 And then, sure enough, Dirty Dancing comes out, and that movie's in it and goes to number one.

01:34:23.000 Oh, well, yeah.

01:34:25.000 But that movie.

01:34:26.000 Okay, that was a good movie.

01:34:28.000 It's a great movie.

01:34:28.000 Dirty Dancing?

01:34:29.000 That was a great movie.

01:34:30.000 Ghost is his best movie.

01:34:32.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 Ghost is a great movie.

01:34:34.000 That's a great movie.

01:34:35.000 Great movie.

01:34:36.000 Point Break was a great movie.

01:34:37.000 Great movie.

01:34:38.000 He did some great movies.

01:34:40.000 Yeah, he's...

01:34:41.000 Keanu was in Youngblood, but I thought he was a French-Canadian goalie.

01:34:46.000 Really?

01:34:46.000 Yeah, I didn't know he was an actor.

01:34:50.000 I literally thought he was...

01:34:52.000 We hired this amazing French-Canadian goalie.

01:34:53.000 I can't believe how young you guys were.

01:34:56.000 I know.

01:34:57.000 That's so crazy that they were giving you booze.

01:34:59.000 Look at Keanu's face.

01:35:01.000 It's exactly the same as it is now.

01:35:03.000 That's John Wick.

01:35:04.000 Here he is. 0.99

01:35:05.000 That's John fucking Wick. 0.99

01:35:07.000 Look at him. 0.99

01:35:09.000 How great is John Wick?

01:35:11.000 We love those movies, right?

01:35:11.000 I love those movies.

01:35:13.000 Love those movies.

01:35:14.000 Love them.

01:35:15.000 I love those movies.

01:35:16.000 What's all the crazy gun training that people do? 0.85

01:35:18.000 Tarant Tactical.

01:35:19.000 I go there.

01:35:20.000 Dude, it's badass, right?

01:35:21.000 You want to go?

01:35:22.000 I do.

01:35:22.000 I'll bring you.

01:35:23.000 I would love to do that.

01:35:24.000 Okay, let's go.

01:35:26.000 I go there all the time.

01:35:27.000 Really?

01:35:27.000 Yeah, I go there like once a week.

01:35:28.000 Really?

01:35:29.000 Yeah.

01:35:30.000 Yeah.

01:35:31.000 Oh, I'm in.

01:35:32.000 Yeah, well, it's good to learn how to shoot a gun properly if you're going to own guns, but, I mean, Taron, he's the best.

01:35:41.000 Well, I shoot regularly, but you can't do any of that tactical stuff unless you're on a tactical range, obviously.

01:35:49.000 Right, and you really want to do it with someone like Taron who can actually show you how to do it.

01:35:54.000 Really correctly.

01:35:55.000 So, I mean, I'm on the range all the time, but I'm never – it's very, very hard.

01:35:55.000 Yeah.

01:35:58.000 I'd love to get the tactical.

01:36:00.000 That's the great thing about – here's the thing I learned about guns that was hilarious is that when I was learning how to shoot properly, I was shooting like an actor because you have to supply the kick.

01:36:12.000 Oh, right, right, right.

01:36:13.000 Because it's a blank.

01:36:14.000 Right, right.

01:36:15.000 So all my experience with guns is playing guys who have guns.

01:36:18.000 But blanks have a kick. 1.00

01:36:19.000 But it's not like a real gun.

01:36:20.000 So you want to make it look good in the movies.

01:36:22.000 You want to give it that little thing.

01:36:24.000 So I would get out of the range and I would be doing all my acting.

01:36:28.000 It'd be like getting in a fight and purposely missing you by three inches.

01:36:32.000 I know how to movie fight.

01:36:33.000 Right, right, right.

01:36:35.000 Like, I'd fight you, but I'd miss you on purpose.

01:36:38.000 It's the same with weapons training.

01:36:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:41.000 Well, you'd have to get that out of your system.

01:36:43.000 Ah, yeah.

01:36:44.000 He would get that out of you quick.

01:36:47.000 Keanu goes there.

01:36:48.000 He's there all the time.

01:36:49.000 I mean, you'd have to, I would think, if you're John Wick, you better stay facile.

01:36:54.000 Well, that's where he learned.

01:36:54.000 Yes.

01:36:55.000 Yeah.

01:36:56.000 Yeah, I see those, they're on YouTube, those famous videos where there's the timer.

01:37:00.000 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, I'll show you one.

01:37:01.000 And you got to get through all of the...

01:37:03.000 Mm-hmm.

01:37:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:37:05.000 Oh, fuck it. 1.00

01:37:05.000 I mean... 1.00

01:37:06.000 Dude.

01:37:08.000 Look at him, look at him, look at him, look at him.

01:37:10.000 There it is.

01:37:11.000 Dude, he's such a badass. 0.80

01:37:13.000 He's a beast, man. 1.00

01:37:14.000 He's really good at that shit. 1.00

01:37:14.000 Fucking beast. 1.00

01:37:15.000 Look at him. 1.00

01:37:18.000 I have an entire section in my phone that just says guns.

01:37:23.000 Look at him.

01:37:25.000 Oh, that shoulder hurts.

01:37:26.000 That shotgun.

01:37:27.000 It doesn't.

01:37:28.000 It's not that bad.

01:37:30.000 It's not that bad at all.

01:37:32.000 How about that tactical one they have? 0.78

01:37:35.000 He's shooting dummies from like two inches away. 0.96

01:37:35.000 Oh, boy. 0.96

01:37:40.000 Is that Laura Croft behind him?

01:37:43.000 No, there's a bunch of really hot girls that Taron has that he teaches. 0.94

01:37:50.000 That's Halle Berry right there. 0.95

01:37:51.000 What's she got behind her? 0.99

01:37:52.000 That's Halle Berry, bro.

01:37:54.000 Jeez.

01:37:56.000 What's that, Jamie?

01:37:57.000 It's a new one?

01:37:58.000 I just clicked on a different one.

01:37:59.000 Yeah, because she's in... 0.95

01:38:00.000 I just sent you one.

01:38:01.000 Because she's in John Wick 2. Or 3. She's in 3. She's in 4 as well.

01:38:06.000 Is 2 the best one?

01:38:08.000 I like 1. 1's my favorite.

01:38:10.000 Yeah, because first of all, I love 3, but there's no muscle cars, Chad.

01:38:15.000 Hey, Chad. 0.99

01:38:16.000 Put the fucking muscle cars back in, bro. 1.00

01:38:18.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:38:20.000 Doink, doink.

01:38:26.000 See?

01:38:26.000 It's fun.

01:38:27.000 See, he teaches you how to do it.

01:38:29.000 It teaches you correct form and all the...

01:38:32.000 Look at this.

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:33.000 It's fun.

01:38:34.000 Me and my buddy Tom Segura, we go there all the time.

01:38:36.000 Dude, I'm in.

01:38:37.000 It'll be so fun.

01:38:38.000 It's fun to learn and it's, you know, it's a valuable education.

01:38:41.000 And the fact that he's right here, that he's in California, it's amazing.

01:38:48.000 And you can shoot rifles there.

01:38:50.000 He's got ranges for long-range stuff.

01:38:53.000 He's got all kinds of stuff there.

01:38:55.000 Anything active, I'm in.

01:38:57.000 I mean, I'm the guy that always says yes to everything, hence the Oscars.

01:39:03.000 My default answer is yes.

01:39:05.000 But that's also, by the way, why I think that I've managed to navigate so many changing currents in the industry.

01:39:12.000 Because I don't get stuck.

01:39:14.000 Right.

01:39:15.000 When I went on the West Wing, it's hard to think now, but in those days, TV was still considered a lesser medium.

01:39:15.000 In one place.

01:39:23.000 It really was.

01:39:24.000 Really?

01:39:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:25.000 Yeah, people would get upset if they had to do TV. Well, he's a TV star.

01:39:25.000 Oh, that's right.

01:39:28.000 I don't do TV. Yeah.

01:39:31.000 All that stuff.

01:39:31.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 I remember a girl I dated said that to me when I was on a TV show.

01:39:36.000 She's like, I want to do film.

01:39:37.000 I'm like, hmm, okay.

01:39:38.000 I mean, it was a real thing.

01:39:40.000 It was a real perception.

01:39:42.000 And now it's, you know, obviously everybody wants to do it.

01:39:44.000 Well, now Netflix is actually better than film because now you could be on a show like Ozark.

01:39:51.000 That show's great. 1.00

01:39:52.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:39:53.000 So great. 1.00

01:39:54.000 But it's like a film every week and it's concurrent.

01:39:57.000 It keeps going.

01:39:58.000 Jason's a stud, man.

01:39:59.000 He's so good.

01:40:00.000 He's such a stud.

01:40:02.000 He's so good as an actor, but he's so good as a writer and a director. 0.98

01:40:06.000 That show is so goddamn good. 0.53

01:40:08.000 I knew him when he was on Little House on the Prairie. 0.96

01:40:10.000 Oh, Jesus, I forgot about that.

01:40:13.000 Oh, my God, he was on that.

01:40:14.000 He was on Little House on the Prairie.

01:40:16.000 He's so good.

01:40:17.000 Which just goes to show you, you never know.

01:40:19.000 No, you never know.

01:40:20.000 You don't know.

01:40:21.000 No, you never do.

01:40:22.000 You never...

01:40:23.000 I mean...

01:40:23.000 Well, humans are versatile, right?

01:40:24.000 Like, just because someone does want...

01:40:26.000 You know, like, there's so many people that you think, like, oh, that guy's of this, and then he winds up being this amazing musician.

01:40:34.000 You're like, how?

01:40:35.000 What?

01:40:36.000 Like, well, humans are versatile, you know?

01:40:39.000 And it takes people sometimes to...

01:40:43.000 Even within their...

01:40:45.000 Lane.

01:40:46.000 It takes them sometimes a while to find what they're really, really special at.

01:40:51.000 Right.

01:40:52.000 Yeah.

01:40:53.000 Yeah.

01:40:54.000 He's really, really special at that.

01:40:57.000 For me, as I've tried to do it, look at him.

01:41:01.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:41:02.000 Look at how cute he is.

01:41:04.000 That's him?

01:41:04.000 Look at that little button.

01:41:06.000 Look at him.

01:41:07.000 Could he be any cuter?

01:41:08.000 Couldn't.

01:41:09.000 Still got the same hair.

01:41:11.000 Basically does. 0.98

01:41:13.000 Man, you're talking about a guy who's been around a long fucking time. 0.95

01:41:16.000 Yeah, he knows what's what. 1.00

01:41:17.000 Goddamn Jesus. 0.99

01:41:18.000 He knows the lay of the land. 1.00

01:41:19.000 We're fucking Michael Landon, come on. 0.99

01:41:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:41:22.000 Was Michael Landon Aquaman?

01:41:24.000 Patrick Duffy.

01:41:25.000 Patrick Duffy was Aquaman.

01:41:26.000 Man from Atlantis.

01:41:27.000 Man from Atlantis, that's right.

01:41:28.000 I saw the first thing, dude, the first time I ever saw something being filmed in California.

01:41:35.000 I had just come out from Ohio.

01:41:37.000 It was 1976. And traffic was all blocked off at the Malibu pier.

01:41:44.000 And I got out of my and I saw the lights.

01:41:46.000 It was so long ago they still had lights for daytime shooting.

01:41:51.000 And they were about to do a stunt where Patrick Duffy, as the man from Atlantis, was going to jump off the Malibu pier. 0.89

01:41:58.000 And I was so fucking excited.

01:42:00.000 I used to try to swim like him. 0.85

01:42:02.000 Because remember the man from Atlantis?

01:42:04.000 He would swim like a porpoise.

01:42:05.000 He would swim like a porpoise.

01:42:06.000 And my favorite thing was, what made him from Atlantis was this part of his body had a web.

01:42:10.000 Yes.

01:42:11.000 That's it.

01:42:12.000 This was it.

01:42:13.000 Right here.

01:42:14.000 That was all I had.

01:42:15.000 And couldn't he breathe underwater?

01:42:17.000 He could breathe underwater, but this made...

01:42:20.000 That was all they could afford were the special effects.

01:42:21.000 A webbing between his thumb and four fingers.

01:42:23.000 I'm so into Atlanta.

01:42:24.000 I'm not a big Atlantis guy anyway.

01:42:26.000 Are you really?

01:42:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:27.000 Fuck, I love it. 1.00

01:42:28.000 I'm trying to figure out where it was. 1.00

01:42:29.000 They think they found it.

01:42:30.000 They think they found something that represents exactly what the depictions of Atlantis were, like these rings, concentric rings.

01:42:39.000 They think that there's some place...

01:42:41.000 Oh, God.

01:42:42.000 I want to say off Spain, off the coast of Spain.

01:42:46.000 But isn't the...

01:42:48.000 Our guy Graham saying that basically Atlantis was the pre-existing civilization and it was not an island or one place.

01:42:55.000 It was all of it.

01:42:57.000 Yeah.

01:42:58.000 Yeah, that's what they think.

01:42:59.000 But, you know, it's all speculation.

01:43:01.000 But whatever it was, you know, there's so many different versions of that, so many different versions of this, like, spectacular seaport civilization that was destroyed in the flood.

01:43:13.000 Like, the flood of the Bible, like Noah's Ark, there's also an ancient story called the Epic of Gilgamesh.

01:43:22.000 Yes, of course.

01:43:22.000 Yeah, and that story is a very similar story about a flood.

01:43:25.000 And this is one of the things that Graham Hancock points to, that there's all these civilizations that talk about It had no interaction with each other in theory, and yet they all have the same oral histories.

01:43:35.000 I did a show with my boys called The Low Files, and it was basically an excuse for my boys and I to run around in a souped-up raptor around the country and explore urban legends.

01:43:50.000 Oh, wow.

01:43:51.000 And it was Anthony Bourdain meets Scooby-Doo.

01:43:55.000 Yeah.

01:43:57.000 It's what it was. 0.99

01:43:57.000 It was a fucking dream come true. 0.99

01:43:59.000 That sounds awesome. 0.99

01:44:00.000 It was a dream come true.

01:44:01.000 What network was this for?

01:44:02.000 A&E. They were great that they let us do it, but it couldn't have been a worse fit.

01:44:07.000 When they put us with ancient aliens for one night, we blew the roof off the place. 1.00

01:44:12.000 Really?

01:44:13.000 And we got to look for the wood ape.

01:44:16.000 We got to look for Bigfoot.

01:44:17.000 We did poltergeists.

01:44:19.000 The low files.

01:44:21.000 See if you can find the opening credits for The Low Files.

01:44:25.000 It's one of my proudest moments.

01:44:26.000 What year is this?

01:44:28.000 Like four years ago.

01:44:33.000 Let's see if they have it.

01:44:34.000 Give me some volume on this.

01:44:38.000 Are we going to get in trouble for using Blue Arso Cult?

01:44:41.000 Wait, Joe didn't see my homage, the very, very end, my homage to Hawaii Five-0.

01:44:46.000 It's the very last 30 seconds of the clip.

01:44:48.000 You have to see it, because I'm sure you remember this great shot from Jack Lord's credits in the end of Hawaii Five-0.

01:44:56.000 It's right at the end.

01:44:58.000 Go over here, right here, watch.

01:44:59.000 Here it comes.

01:45:04.000 Do you remember that shot on the balcony?

01:45:06.000 Yes, I do.

01:45:07.000 I did that.

01:45:07.000 You did it?

01:45:08.000 Yes.

01:45:09.000 That's hilarious.

01:45:10.000 I designed that whole credit sequence.

01:45:12.000 I got the song.

01:45:13.000 I did the whole...

01:45:14.000 It's one of my favorite things I've done.

01:45:16.000 Blue Oyster Cult.

01:45:17.000 Don't Fear the Reaper.

01:45:18.000 It's the best. 1.00

01:45:19.000 It's a great fucking song. 0.97

01:45:20.000 So, what are the subjects? 0.99

01:45:22.000 You went for Bigfoot?

01:45:23.000 We did Bigfoot twice.

01:45:24.000 We did Bigfoot up in Northern California in Walnut Creek.

01:45:30.000 The Patterson-Giblin film was shot.

01:45:30.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:32.000 We did, turns out, the wood ape of Arkansas, Oklahoma. 0.97

01:45:40.000 Is the most active place.

01:45:42.000 And that was where we had some really radical experiences.

01:45:46.000 Where I heard stuff.

01:45:48.000 You heard stuff?

01:45:49.000 Oh yeah, I heard lip popping.

01:45:52.000 And chest beating.

01:45:54.000 Really?

01:45:55.000 You really think it was real?

01:45:56.000 I heard chest beating. 0.99

01:45:57.000 You know who made a great fucking Bigfoot movie? 0.99

01:45:59.000 Bobcat Goldthwait. 1.00

01:46:01.000 What?

01:46:01.000 Yup.

01:46:02.000 He made a great Bigfoot movie.

01:46:04.000 A scary Bigfoot movie.

01:46:05.000 What was it called again?

01:46:06.000 Do you remember him?

01:46:09.000 Willow Creek.

01:46:10.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:11.000 Yeah.

01:46:11.000 Did you remember, um, ever seen, um, um, um, um, um, okay, what is this?

01:46:14.000 He did it like, uh, Blair Witch style.

01:46:17.000 I'm writing that down.

01:46:18.000 I love that. 0.99

01:46:18.000 It's fucking good, man. 0.99

01:46:20.000 We had, we had a great time and it's all these, we went with all these guys who are like real legit people. 0.98

01:46:25.000 They're like regular people and they spend their time out in the woods and they know how many are out there and it's fucking, it was crazy.

01:46:33.000 Matthew, my youngest son's through the thermal imaging, saw him hiding by, like doing the thing with a high behind the tree.

01:46:38.000 So you really think that Bigfoot's real?

01:46:39.000 I don't know.

01:46:40.000 I mean, here's the thing.

01:46:41.000 Like, the slogan for the low files was, it's more fun to believe.

01:46:46.000 It definitely is more fun to believe.

01:46:48.000 And that's really where I come down on it. 0.98

01:46:49.000 It's like, I don't have a dog in the fight, but it's way more fucking fun. 0.98

01:46:54.000 For sure. 0.99

01:46:55.000 Way more fun.

01:46:56.000 I want Bigfoot to be real.

01:46:58.000 I've always wanted to be real.

01:47:00.000 The problem is the people looking at it also want it to be real.

01:47:04.000 Yes.

01:47:05.000 They're trying so hard.

01:47:07.000 They see shadows they think that are Bigfoot.

01:47:10.000 There's some interesting things.

01:47:11.000 There's some interesting things in terms of like dermal ridges they found on footprints. 0.88

01:47:19.000 And there's a lot of hair samples and shit that come back and they don't know what they got them from. 0.82

01:47:22.000 Not really. 0.96

01:47:23.000 Really?

01:47:24.000 See, yeah, I looked into that.

01:47:25.000 Oh, tell me everything.

01:47:25.000 I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything for SyFy.

01:47:28.000 And me and my buddy Duncan went up to the Pacific Northwest.

01:47:33.000 We brought stuff to real biologists and we actually had samples analyzed.

01:47:38.000 They're all bare.

01:47:39.000 And then when they say that there's some human or primate DNA, it's always contaminated.

01:47:46.000 It's like the chain of custody between the actual piece of hair and getting into the lab is always contaminated.

01:47:52.000 Right, yeah.

01:47:53.000 No one just stops.

01:47:54.000 No, it's next to their granola bars and their backpacks.

01:47:56.000 People touch it.

01:47:57.000 They're hiking out, yeah.

01:47:58.000 If you touch something, you get your sweat on it and it could show up as human DNA or animal DNA mixed with human DNA. The problem is the people that are into it, the real problem is they want to believe so fucking bad that they just have this crazy confirmation bias and they only look at the good things.

01:48:16.000 My favorite episodes of the Low Files were the ones where we didn't find shit. 0.99

01:48:19.000 They were my favorite. 0.97

01:48:21.000 Just having fun. 1.00

01:48:22.000 Because it's just a dad and two idiot kids, you know, having a blast. 0.99

01:48:26.000 The thing about Bigfoot that's interesting is Native Americans had more than a hundred different names for that animal. 1.00

01:48:31.000 Yes.

01:48:31.000 And they don't have names for other mythical creatures.

01:48:35.000 And then on top of that, there was an actual animal called the Gigantopithecus, and it was a huge ape-like creature that stood on two legs and walked upright and was probably some sort of...

01:48:46.000 looked like orangutan-like.

01:48:48.000 It probably looked exactly like what we think of as Bigfoot.

01:48:52.000 It was an actual real animal.

01:48:53.000 Have you ever seen the images of that?

01:48:54.000 I have, and it's funny.

01:48:56.000 The deep connection between Native Americans and that legend is really, really profound.

01:49:01.000 Like, I've had...

01:49:03.000 In one of the episodes that we did, we talked with some of the elders, and they would say, no, one reached through the window and touched my chest.

01:49:13.000 And it's like, you're like, this guy's not crazy.

01:49:17.000 I'm not talking to a crazy person.

01:49:19.000 Right, but they also have peyote.

01:49:21.000 Well, that's true. 1.00

01:49:22.000 Native Americans have other shit. 1.00

01:49:23.000 That's true. 1.00

01:49:24.000 Would let you see Bigfoot.

01:49:25.000 Maybe that's the thing.

01:49:26.000 Like, you only see Bigfoot.

01:49:27.000 Bigfoot's real, but he's interdimensional.

01:49:29.000 You only see him when you're on drugs.

01:49:31.000 That could happen.

01:49:32.000 That absolutely could be real.

01:49:34.000 Like, if you get on the right psychedelics, you'll meet aliens.

01:49:36.000 Well, it's funny.

01:49:36.000 As a sober guy, there's part of me that wishes...

01:49:40.000 Because I liked mushrooms, but only like once or twice a year because it's so fucking fun and you get, like you said, you get all that stuff going.

01:49:47.000 Yeah.

01:49:48.000 I did them last week.

01:49:49.000 Did you laugh a lot?

01:49:51.000 Because all I did was laugh.

01:49:53.000 Post Malone and I did a podcast.

01:49:54.000 We did mushrooms.

01:49:55.000 Oh my God.

01:49:56.000 Yeah, we had a good old time.

01:49:57.000 How long were you tripping?

01:49:59.000 Well, the podcast is four hours long and we were drinking too.

01:50:03.000 So it was like just madness.

01:50:05.000 It was all just like mushrooms.

01:50:07.000 I could feel the mushrooms and I was getting high too.

01:50:09.000 He wasn't smoking pot, but then we were drinking Bud Lights and it was a lot of chaos.

01:50:14.000 This is like exactly what my 80s were like.

01:50:16.000 But I think about people go and do ayahuasca and do those.

01:50:21.000 That really appeals to me.

01:50:23.000 That's different in that, you know, you could call it a drug, but DMT, which is what ayahuasca brings up, it's the active ingredient, you're still you.

01:50:36.000 You're not drunk.

01:50:37.000 That's what's weird about it.

01:50:39.000 I don't know what it is, but if you wanted to get real woo-woo, you would call it some sort of a chemical gateway into another dimension.

01:50:45.000 Or to another realm that you can't access without it.

01:50:49.000 It doesn't seem like a drug. 0.99

01:50:51.000 But how is it not any different than, I got stoned and I saw crazy shit? 0.97

01:50:57.000 Well, first of all, it's endogenous, right? 0.99

01:50:59.000 So your brain actually has this chemical inside of it.

01:51:02.000 It's one of the more interesting things about this drug is that your body knows how to process it so well.

01:51:07.000 Like, if you do coke, right?

01:51:09.000 Like, I'm sure you're coked up for a long time, right? 1.00

01:51:11.000 Your body's all fucked up for a long time. 0.99

01:51:14.000 Dimethyltryptamine only lasts like 15 minutes. 0.99

01:51:16.000 What?

01:51:17.000 Yeah, your body recognizes what it is, so it brings you back to baseline very, very quickly.

01:51:21.000 So if you do this, it's a 15 minute experience?

01:51:24.000 Yeah, the ayahuasca takes longer because ayahuasca is an orally active version of it.

01:51:29.000 So what ayahuasca is, is the roots of one plant and the leaves of the other.

01:51:33.000 So you have DMT in one plant and in the other plant you have something called an MAO inhibitor.

01:51:38.000 MAO is monoamine oxidase, and that's produced by your gut to break down dimethyltryptamine and a bunch of other chemicals.

01:51:45.000 But it breaks down dimethyltryptamine because dimethyltryptamine is in a bunch of different plants.

01:51:49.000 So you could trip just eating phalaris grass if you didn't have monoamine oxidase in your gut.

01:51:56.000 So if you ate the grass, nothing would happen because your body would break it down. 0.97

01:52:00.000 But if you had an MAO inhibitor, then you would trip balls.

01:52:05.000 And then the other thing that people talk about is like, I vomited for five hours!

01:52:10.000 Yeah, that's the problem with ayahuasca. 1.00

01:52:11.000 You're going to blow your asshole out. 1.00

01:52:13.000 You're going to diarrhea, throw up. 1.00

01:52:16.000 It's disgusting stuff. 0.78

01:52:17.000 I don't want to do that.

01:52:18.000 It's also because you're getting the plant...

01:52:21.000 You're getting the stuff that's not the active ingredient from these roots and these leaves, too.

01:52:28.000 And then all of a sudden, your body's freaking out.

01:52:29.000 Have you ever had any...

01:52:33.000 Awakening or vision or I've had a lot of visions on dimethyltryptamine.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, it's anything that you could that you once you got Once you were done tripping that didn't seem like the ramblings of a madman or was it something you're like, oh wow I had a I had a revelation.

01:52:49.000 It's hard to say They all seem impossible to describe to anybody else other than people that have experienced it But what it does make you realize is that how...

01:53:02.000 The thing that I always felt when I came back is like, how is this possible that you could go to a place like this where you could see something that's way more vivid and way more powerful than regular life?

01:53:15.000 Like whatever it is, it's not...

01:53:18.000 It's not like it's dull and confusing and you feel drugged and you feel less.

01:53:26.000 You know, you feel more.

01:53:27.000 You see more.

01:53:29.000 It's more vibrant.

01:53:30.000 It's more powerful.

01:53:31.000 And whatever is over there seems to know you.

01:53:36.000 It seems to be you're communicating with something, something that's far more intelligent than you, far more advanced and not hindered by all of the things that we're hindered by, like our egos and our nonsense and our insecurities and our civilization and culture.

01:53:54.000 It's some sort of other kind of consciousness.

01:54:00.000 They joke about things.

01:54:03.000 They make fun of you.

01:54:05.000 Like, one time I did it, and all these jesters, like this, like a...

01:54:12.000 A geometric pattern of gestures, like a fractal, like infinite gestures were giving me the finger like this. 1.00

01:54:19.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:54:21.000 Like mocking me. 1.00

01:54:22.000 And the message that I got was that I was taking myself too seriously.

01:54:26.000 Like maybe even like while my intentions going into the trip, I was taking myself too seriously.

01:54:31.000 Wow.

01:54:32.000 And I remember relaxing, going, oh, okay.

01:54:35.000 And they're like, that's right.

01:54:37.000 Like they're nodding their head.

01:54:38.000 Like, yes.

01:54:39.000 Like, it was a message. 1.00

01:54:41.000 Like, hey, stupid. 1.00

01:54:42.000 You know, you take yourself too seriously. 1.00

01:54:44.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:54:45.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:54:45.000 I like, fuck you. 1.00

01:54:46.000 And it was gestures, like, with a hat and everything. 1.00

01:54:48.000 So, in your life now, like, let's say you are stressing out about something that's very serious.

01:54:55.000 So you do the fractal gestures.

01:54:57.000 Do you remember them?

01:54:58.000 And go, oh, yeah.

01:54:59.000 I had this.

01:55:00.000 Very, very, very.

01:55:01.000 But you know what I mean?

01:55:01.000 Like, you bring something back that you can practically use in this dimension, this time?

01:55:08.000 Humility.

01:55:09.000 There's a humility that comes from real psychedelic experiences that just because you know that they are possible, it makes you second guess the significance of regular existence.

01:55:23.000 Because it seems like that might be where you go when you die.

01:55:27.000 Okay.

01:55:29.000 I was waiting for the moment.

01:55:32.000 I don't know if that's what it is.

01:55:34.000 I don't do drugs, but I've been meditating a bunch, and that's one of the things that people have been telling me for years to do.

01:55:42.000 All the people that I admire, meditation is a part of their lives, and every time I do it, I just go to sleep. 0.92

01:55:47.000 Or I start thinking about shit that I can't control. 0.80

01:55:49.000 But I've recently started doing it. 0.98

01:55:51.000 It's really been amazing.

01:55:53.000 And I've definitely noticed some changes.

01:55:55.000 And it's also affected the quality of my dreams.

01:56:01.000 And you're familiar with vivid dreaming.

01:56:05.000 Lucid?

01:56:05.000 Sure.

01:56:06.000 Lucid dreaming.

01:56:08.000 So I've had a number of them.

01:56:10.000 And I had done some meditating on...

01:56:16.000 I don't mean to overstate it, but like, what is it all about?

01:56:19.000 Right.

01:56:20.000 Sure, everybody wants to know that.

01:56:21.000 It sounds cliche.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:22.000 And so I did that, and then I had a lucid dream that night.

01:56:26.000 And in a lucid dream, I went to that place.

01:56:30.000 And it looked like Avatar, you know, like the James Cameron.

01:56:36.000 Or a fern gully.

01:56:38.000 Or like Kauai, with the waterfalls and the rainbows.

01:56:43.000 And I was flying.

01:56:46.000 I was me, but I wasn't me.

01:56:49.000 I didn't have a body, but I could think.

01:56:52.000 And I was definitely me.

01:56:56.000 And the surroundings were so, and the feeling was so full of euphoria and love.

01:57:04.000 Like I started weep-sobbing of happiness.

01:57:09.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 And then all of a sudden the voice went, oh, but what about my family? 0.94

01:57:15.000 I'm here now and they're not here yet because it was sort of the theory was that I had gone to heaven or whatever the fuck it was.

01:57:23.000 And here's the freaky part is I realized, no, no, they're already there because time is not linear. 0.56

01:57:31.000 So my takeaway from this dream, my ramblings of a madman, were we're already there.

01:57:38.000 Well, your brain does produce psychedelic chemicals while you're sleeping.

01:57:42.000 That's one of the things about DMT that's so closely related to dreams, is that it's really hard to remember after it's over, but so vivid when it's happening.

01:57:49.000 This I remembered like, and I remember it now, like I witnessed it.

01:57:53.000 And that's what made it different and special.

01:57:55.000 Maybe the improvement in the way your brain was working because of the meditation, that you had gotten yourself into a state where you could access it.

01:58:05.000 And I physically asked for it before I went to bed.

01:58:09.000 I actively...

01:58:12.000 Have you done it again since?

01:58:14.000 I have and I haven't had...

01:58:15.000 I've had smaller fleeting versions of this, but this was like starring in a movie.

01:58:23.000 It was like it was happening.

01:58:24.000 I think James Cameron nailed something in that Avatar film that resonates with people in a very strange way. 0.93

01:58:32.000 Not just that it was an awesome movie, and it was a fucking awesome movie, but...

01:58:36.000 That he nailed something that made people want to live like that.

01:58:42.000 You know, there was a thing that we're talking about after that movie called Avatar Depression, where people were leaving the film and they were depressed that their life was nothing like Avatar, like Pandora, like living like the Na'vi. 1.00

01:58:57.000 Pandora, that's it.

01:58:58.000 Yeah, that there was something about what he nailed He nailed something in that movie where it's like this spiritual connection.

01:59:05.000 It was very ayahuasca-like, too.

01:59:07.000 There's this connection to Mother Earth and the nature and spirits and the connection of all of them.

01:59:13.000 There's something about that film.

01:59:15.000 He hit some nerve with people.

01:59:18.000 I've never heard of another film generating depression that, you know, there's no Star Wars depression.

01:59:24.000 Other than when you see some of the ones that have recently come out.

01:59:28.000 Yeah, that's depressing.

01:59:29.000 That's what happens when the executives get a hold of it and they go, hey, you got to go to Cuba and grab the people and put them in the boat.

01:59:35.000 That's right.

01:59:36.000 That's right.

01:59:36.000 And then they listen.

01:59:37.000 That's exactly right.

01:59:38.000 That's exactly what happens.

01:59:40.000 But, you know, James Cameron's such a force of nature.

01:59:42.000 You can't really do that to him.

01:59:44.000 He figured something out in those movies.

01:59:47.000 He figured out how to tap into some sort of elemental area of the psyche that it just resonated with people.

01:59:54.000 Sort of the same way, I think.

01:59:56.000 People that talk about folks that live a subsistence life, people that have gone to the woods and they just live off the land, they talk about this deep connection to nature that they get from that and how it makes them feel fulfilled.

02:00:09.000 They don't feel depressed.

02:00:10.000 They feel very engaged.

02:00:12.000 There's a guy named...

02:00:15.000 He lives in the Arctic and Vice did this whole series on him called the Heine Moe's Arctic Adventure and One of the things that he was saying is he came out there like in the 1970s to work for the forestry department They just lived there for the rest of his life.

02:00:28.000 He's up there right now with his family like he's married to this indigenous woman and they live off the land He eats caribou and fish and his whole life is like hunting and gathering But he's like, this is how people are supposed to live. 1.00

02:00:38.000 And he's a very intelligent man, very articulate.

02:00:40.000 So when you hear him talk, he's not some weirdo that lives in the woods.

02:00:44.000 He's a guy who recognizes there's something about this that resonates with humans, this life.

02:00:51.000 You're connected in the way that you're supposed to be.

02:00:53.000 And he thinks that what we've done by creating cities and electricity and electronics and You know social media and all the bullshit that we deal with today that we've disconnected ourselves from the things that that really make us human and that I believe that his his life is more connected to it But there's even a deeper connection and that's how the Navi lived and you know if you read about There's there's many stories about Native Americans where they would especially the Comanche would kidnap People

02:01:23.000 they would kidnap like young children.

02:01:25.000 Oh that great book Which one?

02:01:27.000 Under the Harvest Moon.

02:01:28.000 Oh, okay.

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:30.000 Do yourself a favor.

02:01:31.000 I will.

02:01:32.000 Empire of the Summer Moon was one that I'm talking about.

02:01:34.000 Sorry.

02:01:34.000 That's the one.

02:01:34.000 Oh, okay.

02:01:35.000 Same one.

02:01:35.000 Yeah.

02:01:36.000 Yeah.

02:01:36.000 About Cynthia Ann Parker.

02:01:38.000 Yeah.

02:01:38.000 It's one of my favorite books.

02:01:39.000 There's a photo of her out there in the lobby.

02:01:41.000 That's who that is.

02:01:42.000 That's Cynthia Ann Parker with a child.

02:01:43.000 I knew I knew it from somewhere.

02:01:44.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 That's Quanah Parker.

02:01:46.000 That's her son.

02:01:46.000 That guy over there on the one that's made out of bullet shells.

02:01:49.000 That's one of my favorite books ever. 0.99

02:01:50.000 It's a fucking amazing book. 0.99

02:01:51.000 It's amazing. 1.00

02:01:51.000 Amazing book. 1.00

02:01:52.000 And that's one of the things they said was that she did not want to go back to Western civilization. 1.00

02:01:57.000 She's like, you guys live like idiots. 1.00

02:01:59.000 Like, this is a bullshit way to live. 1.00

02:02:01.000 There's something about that movie that tapped into that, but also tapped into this, like, spiritual realm that exists in psychedelics. 1.00

02:02:11.000 Cameron fucking nailed it, man. 0.96

02:02:12.000 He nailed it. 0.99

02:02:13.000 And a lot of people are like, oh, that movie is just...

02:02:14.000 Have you ever had him on?

02:02:15.000 No.

02:02:15.000 No, I'd love to.

02:02:16.000 First of all, he's the most humble...

02:02:19.000 I've never worked with him, but my dear, dear, dear, dear friend who passed away a few years ago, Bill Paxton.

02:02:25.000 I love that guy.

02:02:26.000 He's the best.

02:02:27.000 He's one of my best friends.

02:02:29.000 And he and Jim were in Roger Corman's production mill together.

02:02:35.000 They were both like standby painters.

02:02:37.000 So he's been in every Jim Cameron movie ever, ever made.

02:02:40.000 And he introduced me to Jim and...

02:03:01.000 I'm going next Thursday.

02:03:06.000 And they went down to the Titanic. 1.00

02:03:08.000 They had lunch on the deck of the fucking Titanic. 1.00

02:03:11.000 What? 1.00

02:03:12.000 Yeah.

02:03:12.000 Oh my God.

02:03:13.000 And then Bill came up and everybody was like ashen faced and freaking out and 9-11 had happened.

02:03:21.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:03:22.000 Bill Paxton was on the deck of the Titanic when 9-11 happened.

02:03:25.000 With Jim Cameron. 1.00

02:03:25.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:03:27.000 Is that crazy? 1.00

02:03:28.000 Oh my God.

02:03:30.000 That's insane.

02:03:31.000 Insane.

02:03:33.000 That's insane.

02:03:34.000 But I'm dying to see these new Avatar movies.

02:03:36.000 I know.

02:03:36.000 When are they supposed to happen?

02:03:38.000 I mean, everything's all fucked up now because of COVID, right? 0.90

02:03:40.000 Yeah, I heard they keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed, but he's bet the farm on them. 0.94

02:03:46.000 I mean, he's the one guy.

02:03:48.000 He's the guy.

02:03:49.000 There are very few people that could get me to go to a movie theater anymore.

02:03:52.000 Yeah, I'd do anything for that guy's movie.

02:03:54.000 Maybe Chris Nolan.

02:03:55.000 Maybe.

02:03:56.000 Yeah, another one.

02:03:58.000 But for sure, James Cameron.

02:03:59.000 Bill Paxton was in one of the most underrated vampire movies of all time.

02:04:03.000 Yeah.

02:04:03.000 After Dark.

02:04:04.000 After Dark.

02:04:05.000 He's great in it.

02:04:05.000 Remember that?

02:04:06.000 That's a movie, no, people don't, they don't remember that. 0.99

02:04:08.000 That was a fucking great vampire movie. 0.99

02:04:11.000 He's a... 1.00

02:04:12.000 Budget, one billion.

02:04:20.000 Only James Cameron.

02:04:22.000 But that's for three movies, too.

02:04:24.000 But still.

02:04:25.000 By the way, it'll make a billion dollars within six months.

02:04:28.000 The first one.

02:04:29.000 And maybe even streaming, it might make a billion dollars.

02:04:32.000 Like, even if it came out today.

02:04:33.000 Best deal in the world.

02:04:34.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:04:35.000 I love, I hate to say this because I love movies, and I do love going to the movie theater, but the fucking consequences of going to the movie theater are dealing with people. 0.95

02:04:44.000 Like, people that are texting or talking. 0.94

02:04:46.000 That's what drove me out of the movie theaters, was the glow of people's phones.

02:04:46.000 I won't do it.

02:04:50.000 When that started, I was out.

02:04:52.000 Well, people talking, too, is so annoying.

02:04:55.000 But when people are not annoying, like, you know, nine out of ten times, it's fucking amazing because you feel the energy of all the other people, especially at comedy.

02:05:03.000 Like, I remember I went to see Team America World Police.

02:05:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:05:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:05:07.000 With me, my friend Eddie Bravo, and a bunch of other friends. 0.99

02:05:11.000 We were baked out of our fucking mind. 0.99

02:05:12.000 And we went to see that in a crowded theater. 1.00

02:05:14.000 And we were dying.

02:05:16.000 And everyone was dying.

02:05:17.000 There were so many people laughing.

02:05:18.000 It was like being in a comedy club.

02:05:21.000 The energy of all the other people in the film.

02:05:24.000 Borat.

02:05:24.000 In the theater.

02:05:25.000 Borat was the last one for me that was like that.

02:05:28.000 Where the minute the credits start out with a...

02:05:31.000 I ate music in it.

02:05:32.000 It was one of my favorites.

02:05:35.000 But Team America?

02:05:36.000 Come on.

02:05:37.000 Oh my god.

02:05:37.000 Those guys are national treasures.

02:05:40.000 They're national treasures.

02:05:42.000 They're one of the one groups of people that can avoid cancel culture.

02:05:46.000 Because their creations are these things that aren't even people.

02:05:49.000 These weird little cartoons. 1.00

02:05:51.000 You can kill them. 1.00

02:05:52.000 They can say outrageous shit. 1.00

02:05:54.000 They can do everything they want. 1.00

02:05:57.000 It's like the perfect vehicle for mocking culture.

02:06:01.000 I've seen that great YouTube clip where they're in the recording booth.

02:06:05.000 Yes, yes.

02:06:05.000 And they're doing the...

02:06:07.000 What is it called?

02:06:08.000 Like six days or something like that?

02:06:09.000 It's so good.

02:06:12.000 I've never met them.

02:06:13.000 I haven't either.

02:06:14.000 They're awesome, though.

02:06:15.000 What I love is having people still at this point in my life that I'm a huge fan of that I haven't met.

02:06:22.000 Probably better that way.

02:06:24.000 Well, you know where it's really like that for me is people I don't like.

02:06:27.000 Because as a sports fan, you've got to have villains.

02:06:30.000 Right.

02:06:31.000 So I remember not wanting to meet Larry Bird because I'm a Lakers fan.

02:06:37.000 And I never wanted to meet.

02:06:39.000 Really, who I really didn't want to meet was Danny Ainge.

02:06:43.000 And, of course, I met him. 0.95

02:06:44.000 And he was fucking awesome. 1.00

02:06:47.000 And I'm like, fuck. 1.00

02:06:48.000 Like, who am I going to hate now? 1.00

02:06:50.000 As a comic, it's a real problem.

02:06:51.000 Because if you meet someone, you really like them, you can't make fun of them anymore.

02:06:55.000 I met Jenny McCarthy once, and she was so nice, I had to cut her out of my act.

02:06:59.000 Oh, no!

02:07:00.000 I had a bit about her where they said she was going to take her breast implants out. 1.00

02:07:03.000 And I said, that's like Tiger Woods chopping his fucking arms off. 0.99

02:07:06.000 I go, put him back in and make him bigger and no talking. 1.00

02:07:11.000 It was so mean.

02:07:13.000 But then I met her and she was so nice.

02:07:15.000 She was so friendly and pretty.

02:07:16.000 You know that great story Spade tells about...

02:07:19.000 He did that, you know, he used to do the Hollywood Minute on Weekend Update.

02:07:22.000 It was the meanest, funniest thing we'd make fun of celebrities.

02:07:26.000 And at one point, you know, we all have down times in our career.

02:07:30.000 It's an honor to have a fallow time in your career because it means you've been around.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, sure.

02:07:37.000 And Eddie Murphy had been in a fallow time and Spade in the middle of Update had Eddie Murphy's picture come up on the screen.

02:07:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:45.000 He went, oh, look, kids, a falling star.

02:07:49.000 And within five minutes, the phone was ringing on Studio 8H, and it was Eddie.

02:07:54.000 Oh my god.

02:07:55.000 For Spade.

02:07:55.000 Oh my god.

02:07:57.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm telling a story only because Spade publicly tells it, and it's amazing, but like...

02:08:03.000 What did Eddie Murphy say to him? 0.99

02:08:04.000 He went fucking nuts. 0.99

02:08:07.000 But Spade tells a great story of trying to avoid the call and running and ducking. 1.00

02:08:13.000 Spade is like a tiny little will-o'-the-wisp.

02:08:16.000 He's so small.

02:08:18.000 That's the thing.

02:08:21.000 It's good to keep some people at a distance so you can continue to root against them, let's face it.

02:08:28.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 Well, my friend Bill Burr was talking about that the other day.

02:08:31.000 He was on this podcast he does with Bert Kreischer.

02:08:34.000 And they were talking about meeting a president.

02:08:37.000 He goes, I don't want to meet a president.

02:08:38.000 He goes, why?

02:08:38.000 He goes, because then he can't make fun of him.

02:08:40.000 He was talking about his bit about Michelle Obama.

02:08:43.000 And he has this amazing bit about Michelle Obama.

02:08:46.000 And he's like, if I met her, I couldn't do that bit.

02:08:50.000 Yeah.

02:08:51.000 It's right.

02:08:52.000 You couldn't.

02:08:52.000 You'd feel bad.

02:08:53.000 You'd feel like, oh, I'm throwing her under the bus. 1.00

02:08:55.000 She's a nice lady. 1.00

02:08:57.000 That's why Spade stopped doing Hollywood Minute.

02:08:59.000 You just couldn't do it anymore.

02:09:00.000 And it was like a big, big deal.

02:09:02.000 Big, big franchise of Weekend Update.

02:09:04.000 Yeah.

02:09:05.000 Yeah, that's part of the problem.

02:09:09.000 But it's, you know, it is what it is.

02:09:13.000 That's right.

02:09:14.000 And also, somebody was telling me that we're with emoji culture and text culture, that our language has changed forever, for sure, because now no one cares about punctuation.

02:09:25.000 I mean, it's just not— No one cares.

02:09:27.000 It's not looked down upon.

02:09:28.000 It isn't a sign of lack of education anymore.

02:09:31.000 It has no pejorative attached to it.

02:09:34.000 And I was sort of— No, no, no.

02:09:37.000 The point of language is for it to evolve and to become...

02:09:46.000 For lack of a better, better.

02:09:50.000 And what, if you read the letters from the Civil War, right, those great, like, flowery, beautiful, that like the most, you know, like a private in the army would write.

02:10:01.000 Right.

02:10:01.000 Now today, the private in the army is sending a three-second text, but that's progress because it actually requires less time.

02:10:10.000 You get the same information.

02:10:11.000 Right.

02:10:14.000 And you haven't had to go through the time and effort of the other.

02:10:18.000 At least that was the theory that somebody was telling you that made me feel better about it.

02:10:21.000 I don't know if that theory is correct. 0.57

02:10:23.000 That's like saying that people who read texts all day and they read tweets and bullshit nonsense on social media, that's better than reading books. 0.51

02:10:35.000 Because I don't think it's true. 0.93

02:10:36.000 But it's probably not.

02:10:38.000 It's just easier.

02:10:39.000 It's probably not.

02:10:40.000 I'm just trying to feel better about the culture today.

02:10:43.000 I'm hopeful about the culture today, but there's more challenges.

02:10:46.000 There's more information, more things, so there's more challenges.

02:10:50.000 But I don't think that's necessarily bad.

02:10:53.000 You still have brilliant people. 1.00

02:10:56.000 It's easier to be a moron today and survive. 0.98

02:10:59.000 Back in the Civil War days, You know, if you're writing a letter back home, I mean, I wonder what education was like back then, too, right? 0.99

02:11:06.000 I mean, it was probably...

02:11:07.000 It couldn't have been great!

02:11:09.000 Yeah.

02:11:09.000 No, it couldn't have been.

02:11:10.000 But, you know, that famous letter of Sullivan Ballou that ends the first episode of Ken Burns' documentary, The Civil War, that's famous, and they put that beautiful song underneath it.

02:11:21.000 It's like...

02:11:22.000 I know.

02:11:22.000 It's crazy to read the way they wrote.

02:11:25.000 So flowery.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 So eloquent.

02:11:29.000 So eloquent.

02:11:30.000 And it was like a piece of art.

02:11:30.000 So moving.

02:11:32.000 And that was just a regular dude writing home to his wife.

02:11:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:36.000 If someone wrote like that home to their wife, their friends would read and go, I think your husband's gay. 0.95

02:11:43.000 What was the name? 0.97

02:11:44.000 Sullivan Ballou.

02:11:46.000 It wasn't Jim.

02:11:48.000 What is Sullivan into?

02:11:49.000 Musicals? 0.71

02:11:50.000 Bye Bye Birdie fan?

02:11:51.000 What's his thing?

02:11:52.000 Nothing wrong with it.

02:11:53.000 No judgment.

02:11:55.000 I think it's just more challenges today because there is more information coming in.

02:12:00.000 You can get lost in junk food information.

02:12:05.000 What's your current YouTube wormhole you're into?

02:12:10.000 Because that's all I do at night.

02:12:12.000 People wonder why viewership is down.

02:12:14.000 And listen, I'm in the TV business.

02:12:17.000 I should be watching TV. I don't watch TV. I go to YouTube and I go down whatever wormhole I'm interested in.

02:12:24.000 I go to YouTube almost entirely for escape.

02:12:27.000 So I watch pool, like professional pool matches on YouTube.

02:12:31.000 I do a lot of that.

02:12:32.000 I watch car videos. 1.00

02:12:34.000 I watch dumb shit. 1.00

02:12:35.000 I watch things that don't require that much thinking. 1.00

02:12:38.000 But then, every now and then, I'll watch a lot of space documentaries.

02:12:43.000 If there's one thing that I watch a lot, it's documentaries on space, things about space, space travel, exploration, new things they're learning.

02:12:51.000 I was reading something today about NASA. They're going to change some of their wording to be more inclusive.

02:12:56.000 I'm like, please say they're not going to get rid of black holes.

02:12:58.000 Because if NASA decides that black holes are racist, I'm going to give up.

02:13:03.000 You know, anything's possible.

02:13:06.000 Today, everything is possible.

02:13:08.000 I've been into, my new thing is, of all things, Simon and Garfunkel.

02:13:13.000 Oh, wow.

02:13:14.000 Yeah, those harmonies and stuff.

02:13:15.000 But I'm a huge Yacht Rock guy.

02:13:17.000 Before Yacht Rock was a thing, I didn't know that was a genre, an official genre.

02:13:23.000 Yacht Rock?

02:13:24.000 Yeah, oh, so this is a new phrase for you, too?

02:13:26.000 Yes.

02:13:27.000 Yes.

02:13:27.000 Is it?

02:13:28.000 Oh, well, then I don't feel I was behind.

02:13:30.000 There's an actual channel on SiriusXM for Yacht Rock.

02:13:33.000 No!

02:13:34.000 Yes!

02:13:35.000 No!

02:13:36.000 What does that mean?

02:13:37.000 So Yacht Rock is like...

02:13:38.000 The Eagles?

02:13:41.000 The Eagles, Boz Skaggs. 0.55

02:13:43.000 Here it goes.

02:13:45.000 Al Stewart's Year of the Cat.

02:13:47.000 Okay, look at this.

02:13:49.000 The term yacht rock does not exist contemporaneously with the music the term describes.

02:13:57.000 From about 1975 to 1984, it refers to adult-oriented rock or West Coast sound, which became identified with yacht rock in 2005 when the term was coined in a J.D. Reisner et al.'s online video series of the same name.

02:14:13.000 Oh, so one guy came up with the name.

02:14:14.000 So who are the bands of Yacht Rock?

02:14:16.000 Let's see what this is.

02:14:17.000 Michael McDonald.

02:14:18.000 For sure.

02:14:19.000 Christopher Cross.

02:14:24.000 I'm a big Yacht Rock fan.

02:14:27.000 Kenny Loggins.

02:14:28.000 Toto.

02:14:28.000 Steely Dan!

02:14:29.000 Yes.

02:14:30.000 I love my...

02:14:31.000 I love Steely Dan.

02:14:32.000 They might be my favorite band.

02:14:34.000 So Yacht Rock is like older dudes.

02:14:36.000 Another thing I'm into is Donald Fagan talking music theory.

02:14:44.000 It's really, really amazing.

02:14:45.000 Talking about chord progressions and stuff.

02:14:47.000 Do you play?

02:14:49.000 I wish I did.

02:14:50.000 I know five chords on a guitar.

02:14:52.000 Oh, I don't know one.

02:14:54.000 I don't know anything.

02:14:55.000 Yeah, I know like five open chords.

02:14:57.000 When I get to bar chords, my little fingers were too weak, and I had to move on.

02:15:01.000 I think music is one of those things where I'm scared to learn, because if I start getting into it, I'll be obsessed, and then I'll lose all the time that I have.

02:15:10.000 Then you're going to start a band.

02:15:11.000 You'll be like every actor with their band.

02:15:14.000 I wonder who has the best actor band.

02:15:17.000 That's Jared Leto, right?

02:15:18.000 Oh, for sure.

02:15:20.000 100%.

02:15:20.000 But that's a legit...

02:15:21.000 I was in a teen magazine with him.

02:15:23.000 Were you?

02:15:24.000 Yeah, in like 1993, I think.

02:15:27.000 Wow.

02:15:29.000 Yeah.

02:15:29.000 The Bacon Brothers, they're great.

02:15:31.000 94 maybe?

02:15:33.000 Kevin Bacon?

02:15:33.000 Oh, right.

02:15:34.000 That's right.

02:15:34.000 He's got a legit band.

02:15:35.000 You know who's legit?

02:15:37.000 Juliette Lewis. 1.00

02:15:38.000 Juliette Lewis can sing her fucking ass off. 1.00

02:15:41.000 Bill Burr told me about her. 1.00

02:15:42.000 He calls me up.

02:15:43.000 He goes, dude, he goes, let me tell you something. 1.00

02:15:45.000 She's a fucking rock star. 1.00

02:15:46.000 He goes, a legit rock star. 1.00

02:15:48.000 I'm like, come on.

02:15:49.000 And then he sent me a video. 1.00

02:15:50.000 I was like, holy fuck. 0.99

02:15:52.000 I've always been a huge fan of hers. 1.00

02:15:54.000 She's a beast. 1.00

02:15:55.000 She's so good. 0.97

02:15:56.000 She pours it out, man.

02:15:58.000 There she is.

02:16:00.000 Look at her.

02:16:01.000 Look at her.

02:16:02.000 She's wearing Evel Knievels out there. 0.99

02:16:04.000 Yes. 1.00

02:16:04.000 She's fucking good, man. 1.00

02:16:06.000 That's some Snake River Canyon shit she's got on. 1.00

02:16:08.000 Her and I have talked about doing a podcast, but we never really got to do it. 0.97

02:16:12.000 I love her.

02:16:13.000 I don't know her at all. 0.97

02:16:14.000 She's a fucking amazing actress, man. 0.97

02:16:14.000 Love her, though. 0.97

02:16:16.000 Her and... 0.98

02:16:17.000 Cape Fear?

02:16:18.000 Oh yeah, dude.

02:16:20.000 That was a movie you couldn't make today.

02:16:21.000 Couldn't make that movie today.

02:16:22.000 No chance.

02:16:23.000 Nope.

02:16:23.000 No chance.

02:16:24.000 When she sucked on Robert De Niro's thumb.

02:16:26.000 Thumb in a playhouse? 0.99

02:16:27.000 She sucked on his thumb in a child's playhouse. 1.00

02:16:30.000 And she was like, what, 15 at the time or something?

02:16:32.000 Yeah, he couldn't do that today.

02:16:35.000 There's so many films you couldn't do today.

02:16:37.000 That movie's great.

02:16:38.000 How about when De Niro smokes that cigar in the theater?

02:16:39.000 He's like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.

02:16:41.000 He was terrifying.

02:16:42.000 Such an actor.

02:16:44.000 Oh, my God.

02:16:44.000 He's amazing.

02:16:45.000 He's a beast.

02:16:47.000 But the other thing, it was the one with Woody Harrelson when there were serial killers.

02:16:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:53.000 Natural Born Killers.

02:16:54.000 Thank you.

02:16:55.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:16:56.000 Goddamn, she was good in that. 1.00

02:16:58.000 Woo! 0.99

02:16:58.000 So good. 0.99

02:16:59.000 Yeah.

02:17:00.000 Yeah.

02:17:01.000 That's Oliver Stone, isn't it?

02:17:03.000 Yep.

02:17:03.000 That's Oliver Stone.

02:17:04.000 I got to meet him.

02:17:06.000 I did a podcast with him a couple weeks ago.

02:17:08.000 Oh, I saw it.

02:17:09.000 He's amazing.

02:17:10.000 He's great.

02:17:10.000 He's an interesting cat.

02:17:11.000 There was a minute where he was going to make the Noriega, Manuel Noriega story.

02:17:17.000 It was going to be Al Pacino was going to play Noriega, and I was going to play Oliver North.

02:17:23.000 And it never happened.

02:17:23.000 Whoa.

02:17:25.000 The script was good, but not great.

02:17:28.000 And we did a big table reading of it at Oliver's place.

02:17:32.000 And Oliver's known to be really tough on actors, and I'd never worked with him.

02:17:36.000 But we take a break halfway through, and I go to the water fountain, and Oliver's at the water fountain.

02:17:42.000 And I turn to him and go, what do you think?

02:17:43.000 He went, I don't know.

02:17:43.000 How's it going?

02:17:46.000 What do you mean you don't know?

02:17:47.000 He goes, I don't know, Rob.

02:17:48.000 I just was just a little surprised.

02:17:51.000 What do you mean?

02:17:52.000 He goes, I just thought you'd have a little more energy.

02:17:54.000 He turned away and walked away.

02:17:56.000 Whoa. 0.99

02:17:57.000 So when we came back, the next line I had, I was doing it like this with so much motherfucking energy. 0.98

02:18:02.000 It was unbelievable. 0.96

02:18:03.000 And Oliver just kind of like laughed and smiled to himself.

02:18:06.000 Oh.

02:18:10.000 Talking to him was so fascinating because he's one of the few guys that's made films about combat, who's actually experienced real combat.

02:18:21.000 And, you know, talking about his experiences in Vietnam and then coming back home and making Platoon and how difficult it was to make Platoon. 0.93

02:18:28.000 What a fucking masterpiece it was. 0.98

02:18:30.000 People forget Salvador's great, too. 1.00

02:18:31.000 Oh, my God.

02:18:32.000 Jim Belushi?

02:18:33.000 Yeah.

02:18:33.000 People forget how good Jimmy Belushi is in Salvador.

02:18:35.000 And James Woods.

02:18:36.000 And that Express.

02:18:37.000 Midnight Express. 0.99

02:18:38.000 Dude, that guy made some fucking wicked movies. 0.99

02:18:41.000 Alan Parker, who directed it, died this week, you know. 0.99

02:18:43.000 Oh, did he?

02:18:44.000 Yeah, he's one of my favorite directors.

02:18:45.000 Did Pink Floyd the Wall, Bugsy Malone.

02:18:48.000 Wow.

02:18:51.000 Stone is so weird, too, because he wrote so many great movies, like Scarface.

02:18:55.000 He wrote great movies and produced and directed.

02:18:59.000 He did so much, man.

02:19:01.000 So much.

02:19:02.000 JFK. He's such an iconoclast. 0.97

02:19:05.000 I mean, I don't know if a guy like him could make it through the corporation.

02:19:12.000 Well, also the way he partied, too.

02:19:15.000 Oh, believe me.

02:19:15.000 I was doing a movie called Masquerade in New York City when they were making Wall Street.

02:19:21.000 And we would always be like, our set would be like three blocks from their set.

02:19:24.000 And Charlie and I, of course, grew up together and it would be, it was just, it was Michael Douglas.

02:19:30.000 Oh boy.

02:19:31.000 Those days.

02:19:33.000 Jesus.

02:19:34.000 The dark days.

02:19:35.000 Yeah.

02:19:36.000 The darkness.

02:19:37.000 It was accepted.

02:19:38.000 Yeah.

02:19:38.000 What was a part of the culture, right?

02:19:40.000 It was 100% a part of it.

02:19:41.000 It's what you did.

02:19:44.000 Isn't it weird now that that's so demonized?

02:19:44.000 We did.

02:19:47.000 You're not doing any of it.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:50.000 Any of it.

02:19:51.000 And look, it's obviously for the better.

02:19:55.000 It's definitely for the better for the victims.

02:19:59.000 But is it for the better for the creators?

02:20:02.000 I don't know.

02:20:03.000 Here's my thing. 0.99

02:20:04.000 I really believe that the notion that getting high makes you a better artist or gives you better access into your art, I think is bullshit. 0.99

02:20:16.000 I do. 0.95

02:20:16.000 You might be right, but you might not be right. 0.95

02:20:19.000 I know I might not. 0.98

02:20:20.000 There's some art that's made by people that are fucked up that's insanely good. 0.99

02:20:24.000 I know, I know. 0.99

02:20:25.000 Some of Stephen King's writings, when he was fucked up. 0.98

02:20:28.000 When he was drinking? 0.97

02:20:28.000 Drinking? 0.97

02:20:29.000 The Shining?

02:20:30.000 Yeah.

02:20:30.000 Shining, Cujo, Cary.

02:20:32.000 I think it was Cujo or Cary.

02:20:35.000 He doesn't even remember writing. 0.99

02:20:36.000 He was so fucked up, just doing coke and drinking cases of beer. 0.99

02:20:41.000 The Beatles, you know, in their acid phase. 1.00

02:20:44.000 Yeah.

02:20:44.000 Hendrix?

02:20:45.000 You can't deny it.

02:20:48.000 I think that you just don't.

02:20:51.000 They would have made something else.

02:20:53.000 It would have been different, but I think it would have been as good.

02:20:57.000 I think people who treat it as a prerequisite.

02:21:02.000 I think that's a mistake.

02:21:04.000 I agree.

02:21:04.000 I agree with that.

02:21:05.000 Well, I know brilliant people that are completely sober, so I 100% agree.

02:21:09.000 But I don't think you can deny the impact that some drugs have on some creativity.

02:21:14.000 For sure.

02:21:16.000 Yeah.

02:21:17.000 I mean, you know, what if Crosby, Stills, and Nash never smoked dope?

02:21:23.000 What if the Grateful Dead never smoked dope?

02:21:24.000 Or did acid.

02:21:25.000 Or did acid.

02:21:26.000 Maybe the music would be good.

02:21:28.000 Sorry.

02:21:29.000 I'm with you on that.

02:21:30.000 I don't get it.

02:21:32.000 There's a lot of people that love the dead.

02:21:34.000 What about Fish?

02:21:35.000 Isn't Fish like that?

02:21:36.000 It's basically the same band.

02:21:38.000 Right?

02:21:38.000 I don't know.

02:21:39.000 To me, I don't have that gene.

02:21:40.000 There's this white person gene that I don't possess.

02:21:44.000 The Fish gene.

02:21:45.000 There's like Dirty Feet gene where you just want to dance around in a field with your friends while you wear beads.

02:21:45.000 Yeah.

02:21:52.000 I have a cousin who followed the dead.

02:21:55.000 She followed the dead all over the country.

02:21:58.000 She like lived... 0.92

02:22:00.000 With the dead, in terms of the fans, they made food and sold it to people that would go to the concerts. 0.99

02:22:07.000 They'd scramble eggs and shit. 0.99

02:22:09.000 I don't... 0.97

02:22:10.000 Do you ever go to Burning Man?

02:22:11.000 No.

02:22:12.000 Any Desire?

02:22:14.000 Maybe.

02:22:14.000 Maybe now that you can wear a mask and hide from people.

02:22:18.000 It's an excuse to take drugs and kind of be sexually provocative, right?

02:22:24.000 Am I missing something?

02:22:25.000 There's definitely that.

02:22:26.000 I think there's also like this freedom of this alternative civilization that they develop in this wasteland.

02:22:32.000 You know, I have friends that love it.

02:22:34.000 Love it.

02:22:35.000 People, by the way, who are really, like you go, really?

02:22:38.000 Really successful people.

02:22:39.000 A lot of the tech dorks.

02:22:39.000 Oh, I know.

02:22:40.000 They love it.

02:22:41.000 Yeah.

02:22:42.000 Yeah.

02:22:43.000 I just feel like it's a lot of dust.

02:22:45.000 I have genius friends that love it.

02:22:46.000 A lot of dust.

02:22:47.000 A lot of dirtiness.

02:22:48.000 Yeah.

02:22:49.000 I'm good.

02:22:50.000 I mean, people are like, you have to go.

02:22:52.000 I'm like, I don't know if I do.

02:22:53.000 What are the other things that people tell you you have to do that you don't want?

02:22:56.000 Like, do you want it?

02:22:57.000 Like, it's like, you have to go to India. 0.61

02:22:59.000 It's so moving.

02:23:00.000 I'm like, I don't know.

02:23:01.000 Is it?

02:23:02.000 I feel like I'm getting sick already.

02:23:04.000 I feel like my stomach hurts now.

02:23:07.000 Yeah, I can feel the diarrhea brewing before I get on the plane.

02:23:10.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:23:11.000 I mean, I've heard people say India was amazing, and I've heard people say they wanted to leave the moment they got off the plane.

02:23:16.000 I know people who've done both.

02:23:18.000 Yeah.

02:23:19.000 Yeah.

02:23:20.000 I want to go to Egypt.

02:23:21.000 Me, too.

02:23:22.000 I would really like to see the pyramids.

02:23:24.000 Me too.

02:23:25.000 I'm desperate to do that whole thing, but I want to go with someone.

02:23:28.000 I want to find the person who's the expert on all of it.

02:23:32.000 I had the expert, and he just died.

02:23:34.000 No!

02:23:34.000 John Anthony West.

02:23:36.000 He and I had talked a couple times about even getting together with a group of my friends and going over there, and he was going to guide us.

02:23:45.000 He's a guy that inspired a lot of Graham Hancock's work, collaborated together on some stuff.

02:23:51.000 That's why I know the name.

02:23:52.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

02:23:54.000 That's my dream trip.

02:23:56.000 Yeah.

02:23:56.000 100%.

02:23:57.000 It's a mindfuck, I'm sure. 0.98

02:23:59.000 I mean, the closest I've been is Chichen Itza. 0.99

02:24:02.000 I've seen the Mayan pyramids, and that was a mindfuck.

02:24:04.000 Have you been to Machu Picchu? 0.96

02:24:05.000 No, I haven't.

02:24:06.000 So I went two years ago, and I thought it would be like that great scene in National Lampoon's Vacation when Chevy Chase sees the Grand Canyon.

02:24:15.000 Where he goes, he goes...

02:24:15.000 Mm-hmm.

02:24:18.000 And leaves.

02:24:19.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:24:19.000 Like, I saw it.

02:24:20.000 That was great.

02:24:20.000 I'm done.

02:24:21.000 I really thought that's what it would be, and it was fucking amazing. 0.95

02:24:27.000 Yeah? 0.98

02:24:29.000 Amazing.

02:24:29.000 It's pretty crazy.

02:24:31.000 First of all, you have to walk there.

02:24:33.000 You can take a train to the base of it and then walk up.

02:24:37.000 And by the way, people say, I walked it.

02:24:39.000 Sometimes they're talking about walking from the train.

02:24:41.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 You've got to take the Inca Trail.

02:24:45.000 We didn't do the four-day version.

02:24:47.000 That's too much.

02:24:48.000 There's no reason to do it.

02:24:49.000 But we did like the eight-hour, and it makes all the difference.

02:24:54.000 Look at that place.

02:24:55.000 And we caught it with that type of weather, too. 0.99

02:24:58.000 Goddamn, that's beautiful. 0.98

02:24:59.000 And they don't really understand the civilization that built that. 0.96

02:25:02.000 No, and what you realize when you get there is there's two civilizations.

02:25:06.000 There's that, and then there are parts of that that are even older that look completely different. 0.98

02:25:13.000 Completely different, like any idiot can tell that that's from a different time. 0.71

02:25:18.000 Yeah, that's one of the things that Graham Hancock talks about, is that there's a bunch of these spots like there where archaeologists have sort of determined that, well, this is what happened. 0.96

02:25:27.000 And then upon further examination, other people have said, but wait, I don't know if this is right.

02:25:34.000 And I don't know why they did this.

02:25:37.000 Who were these people?

02:25:38.000 You see, even in that photo we're looking at, you see the kind that looks like little stone?

02:25:52.000 Yeah.

02:25:57.000 That this was clearly built on top of.

02:26:00.000 I mean, you just...

02:26:01.000 It obviously was.

02:26:02.000 Yeah.

02:26:03.000 Well, that's the argument.

02:26:05.000 There you go.

02:26:05.000 See that wall?

02:26:08.000 That's the argument.

02:26:08.000 See how it's different than the wall over there?

02:26:10.000 Totally different.

02:26:11.000 Look at the steps.

02:26:13.000 Jesus Christ.

02:26:14.000 Look at those green-covered steps all the way up to the hill.

02:26:17.000 So those were where the crops were.

02:26:18.000 That's where they grew the crops.

02:26:20.000 God. 0.99

02:26:21.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

02:26:23.000 You worry about going all the way there and being like, I slept all the way there for this. 0.99

02:26:23.000 It's so beautiful. 0.99

02:26:29.000 It's totally rewarding.

02:26:30.000 On the other side of it, I went to the Galapagos, and that was, I would recommend, just go to Catalina.

02:26:36.000 Really.

02:26:37.000 Really.

02:26:39.000 Really?

02:26:39.000 Yeah.

02:26:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:41.000 It's fucking Catalina, dude. 1.00

02:26:43.000 Really? 1.00

02:26:43.000 Yes. 1.00

02:26:44.000 Is this an island?

02:26:45.000 It's the Channel Island.

02:26:46.000 Well, they call the Channel Islands the Galapagos of North America.

02:26:49.000 Do they?

02:26:50.000 They do, for good reason.

02:26:51.000 When you go to the Galapagos, you're like, wait, I'm sorry.

02:26:53.000 This is San Miguel Island off of Santa Barbara.

02:26:57.000 That's hilarious.

02:26:59.000 But if you're into the blue-footed boobie, you've got to go there.

02:27:02.000 You're one of those guys.

02:27:03.000 And if you want to swim with those gnarly lizards that...

02:27:07.000 Are under, like, gigantic monitor lizards that are underwater, like, eh, when you're snorkeling.

02:27:13.000 You're not getting that at Catalina.

02:27:15.000 Right.

02:27:15.000 You gotta go to Galapagos.

02:27:16.000 You gotta go to Galapagos.

02:27:17.000 There they are. 1.00

02:27:18.000 Those fuckers are underwater. 1.00

02:27:19.000 How big is that thing? 1.00

02:27:20.000 You swim with them.

02:27:21.000 How big are they?

02:27:22.000 It's this table from me to you.

02:27:24.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:27:26.000 Look at the size of those fuckers. 1.00

02:27:26.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:27:28.000 They're great.

02:27:29.000 What a weird-looking creature.

02:27:31.000 It's really something.

02:27:33.000 Oh, my God.

02:27:34.000 That part was way worth it.

02:27:35.000 Whoa.

02:27:36.000 Look at that guy.

02:27:38.000 And then obviously the Galapagos tortoises, you're only going to get there.

02:27:43.000 They don't even know how old they are. 1.00

02:27:46.000 Look at those fuckers. 1.00

02:27:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:48.000 It's a long way to go though. 1.00

02:27:50.000 Yeah.

02:27:50.000 How long did it take you to get there?

02:27:53.000 It's a full day and a half of travel.

02:27:59.000 Wow.

02:28:00.000 There's something about going places, I mean, I'm sure that's fascinating, but there's something about going places where people lived a long time ago that's very eerie.

02:28:08.000 Like if you go to, like, Pompeii was weird for me, because you're looking around and you realize, like, this is this civilization that, what was it, a thousand years ago or whatever?

02:28:20.000 Yeah.

02:28:20.000 That Mount Vesuvius erupted?

02:28:21.000 That just instantaneously vanished.

02:28:21.000 Yep.

02:28:23.000 I never got to Pompeii.

02:28:23.000 Okay.

02:28:25.000 I know people who just had the same experience.

02:28:27.000 It's a trip.

02:28:28.000 Because, you know, you're looking at, like, this...

02:28:30.000 Like, Rome is like that as well.

02:28:32.000 Like, just being around the Vatican and seeing just the...

02:28:36.000 How much would you love to have free reign of the Vatican?

02:28:40.000 Like, take me to the Indiana Jones vault.

02:28:43.000 You know, where everything's stored?

02:28:45.000 What do you think they have that they don't show us?

02:28:48.000 The Ark.

02:28:49.000 The thing I really want is the library of Alexandria that burned, you know, that had all of the knowledge of the world.

02:29:06.000 People say that a lot of it got moved out in the Vatican.

02:29:11.000 The Vatican's a weird place, man.

02:29:12.000 I went with a guy who was a scholar.

02:29:16.000 He was a professor.

02:29:19.000 He was a great guide.

02:29:23.000 He was one of those professional guides that you hire.

02:29:26.000 He and I hit it off big time because we were out in this courtyard area and there was this giant pine cone.

02:29:35.000 And I said, the pine cone.

02:29:37.000 And he looked at me and I go, is that representative of the pineal gland?

02:29:40.000 And his eyes lit up.

02:29:42.000 He's like, yes.

02:29:43.000 And the next thing you know, me and him are talking about drugs.

02:29:46.000 And we're talking about, you know, the understanding of the pineal gland, the seat of the soul.

02:29:51.000 Like, that thing is supposed to represent the pineal gland.

02:29:55.000 That's not just a pine cone.

02:29:57.000 It's supposed to represent the gland in your brain that produces dimethyltryptamine. 0.97

02:30:02.000 And so there's a lot of that weird shit in ancient Christian art, like mushroom imagery, and a lot of weird stuff that you find.

02:30:11.000 In fact, there's a book by this guy, John Marco Allegro, who was a biblical scholar and a linguist, and he was also one of the only people in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the translation commission, the translation group that was... 0.93

02:30:27.000 That was a sign to try to figure out this Dead Sea Scrolls and translate it back.

02:30:33.000 He was an ordained minister, but he was also agnostic.

02:30:36.000 Because through his studies of religion, he sort of decided along the way, like, hey, this is all, it seems like there's too many similarities to these things.

02:30:44.000 It's not in all these different cultures.

02:30:46.000 And he started breaking down the etymology of the languages.

02:30:49.000 And he came out with a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross that was bought out by the Catholic Church.

02:30:57.000 And the book essentially said the entire religion of Christianity is a giant misunderstanding.

02:31:02.000 And what it really was about was about the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.

02:31:09.000 And that they had all these stories that they hid in parables and all this ancient knowledge that they hid in these tales, but that it all goes back to the consumption of psychedelic drugs.

02:31:20.000 And in fact, one of the weirder connections to that was in Israel. 0.97

02:31:25.000 I mean, this is like very recently.

02:31:27.000 These scholars at the University of Jerusalem had determined that what Moses was talking about when he saw the burning bush was actually the acacia bush, the acacia tree, which is rich in DMT. And that when we're talking about the burning bush and that it was God appeared to him in the burning bush,

02:31:45.000 he was probably tripping.

02:31:47.000 And that this was why he came down with these commandments for how to live life and how to govern yourself, that he was in communication with God, but what it really was, most likely, was him having a psychedelic experience.

02:32:00.000 Wow.

02:32:01.000 That is all through ancient Christian religion.

02:32:04.000 You know, there was a guy named Jack Herr, who was like one of the early Proponents of marijuana.

02:32:11.000 He was like a Goldwater Republican who got high with a girlfriend of his.

02:32:15.000 Went through a divorce, got high with a girlfriend of his and had this idea of like marijuana being this terrible thing. 1.00

02:32:20.000 These fucking hippies are all lazy. 1.00

02:32:22.000 But he meets this cool girl and he starts smoking pot and then became a pot activist. 0.99

02:32:26.000 And wrote a book called The Emperor Has No Clothes, and it's all about the origins of marijuana criminalization, and what it really was all about, and that it actually was about industry, and that the real people that started marijuana propaganda, like those movies like Reefer Madness,

02:32:43.000 that was Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst.

02:32:46.000 And William Randolph Hearst decided that he was going to demonize marijuana to stop the hemp industry.

02:32:53.000 That was the original reason why he did it.

02:32:55.000 Because the Popular Science magazine had a cover in like 1937 or something like that called Hemp, the New Billion Dollar Crop.

02:33:04.000 And it was all because they had come up with a new machine called the decorticator.

02:33:07.000 And a decorticator was a new machine that allowed them to effectively process hemp fiber.

02:33:12.000 Because before they used to use slaves.

02:33:14.000 And then when slavery was outlawed and then Eli Whitney came up with the cotton gin, they switched all their clothing from hemp-based clothing to cotton.

02:33:23.000 And so they had done this for years, and then they had switched their paper from canvas, like original canvas, like even the Mona Lisa, was printed on hemp.

02:33:33.000 All that stuff was hemp. 0.70

02:33:34.000 Hemp is a far more durable paper, and it's a far more durable cloth.

02:33:38.000 And so people's clothes, like old, really durable clothing, was made out of hemp.

02:33:45.000 And so William Randolph Hearst decided the best way to combat this new industry, instead of turning over his gigantic forests and converting them to hemp forests and converting his paper mills to hemp paper, he decided what he was going to do was kill the business. 0.98

02:34:00.000 And so the way he killed the business was printing these stories about black people and Mexicans raping white women because they were on this new drug called marijuana. 0.97

02:34:09.000 And what marijuana, the word, was actually a slang for a Mexican wild tobacco. 0.98

02:34:15.000 Didn't even have anything to do with cannabis.

02:34:18.000 So when they made marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that they were making cannabis and hemp illegal.

02:34:26.000 They thought it was a new drug.

02:34:27.000 And so he tricked them.

02:34:29.000 He tricked them because he earned Hearst Publications.

02:34:33.000 I mean, that was one of the things that Orson Welles, like, when he made Rosebud, he made that movie.

02:34:38.000 He made Citizen Kane about William Randolph Hearst.

02:34:41.000 Yes. 1.00

02:34:41.000 Because he was this insanely powerful guy that was just this fucking tyrant. 1.00

02:34:45.000 Is Rosebud a bud? 1.00

02:34:47.000 I don't know.

02:34:48.000 Like, hey, good buds.

02:34:49.000 But that movie was about William Randolph Hearst.

02:34:53.000 William Randolph Hearst is the reason why marijuana is still federally illegal in 2020. And this is in the 1930s.

02:34:59.000 Like, almost 100 years later, his propaganda still works.

02:35:03.000 It is amazing.

02:35:04.000 You ever been to Hearst Castle?

02:35:08.000 Yeah, I was there when I was a kid.

02:35:08.000 That's cool.

02:35:10.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:35:10.000 Here's the reason why this whole fucking state is filled with wild pigs. 1.00

02:35:13.000 That crazy asshole had wild pigs on his mansion. 1.00

02:35:16.000 He had them roaming around, brought wild boars over from Europe. 1.00

02:35:19.000 And so California, like San Jose, is infested with wild pigs. 1.00

02:35:23.000 People who live in San Jose, they go out and wild pigs are fucking knocking over their trash and eating their lawn. 1.00

02:35:27.000 That's William Randolph Hearst did that shit. 1.00

02:35:30.000 I had no idea. 1.00

02:35:31.000 That's amazing. 1.00

02:35:32.000 That crazy fuck was responsible for a lot of problems that we're still facing today. 1.00

02:35:36.000 I had no idea, man. 1.00

02:35:38.000 I mean, I know it...

02:35:39.000 My knowledge is...

02:35:41.000 I know the yellow journalism of it all and the...

02:35:44.000 He's a bad guy. 1.00

02:35:45.000 He was a fucking bad guy. 1.00

02:35:46.000 He had too much power. 1.00

02:35:48.000 I mean, there was...

02:35:49.000 He...

02:35:50.000 Hearst Publications was...

02:35:51.000 You know, he had this insane amount of power to just print lies.

02:35:55.000 And he could shift the course of public perception.

02:35:58.000 To fit his own needs and to fit his businesses.

02:36:01.000 I wonder if that happened today in the media, what that would be like.

02:36:05.000 Like fake news or something?

02:36:08.000 I can't imagine.

02:36:09.000 You can't do that today.

02:36:10.000 People are too smart.

02:36:10.000 No, you can never do that today.

02:36:12.000 It would never happen.

02:36:13.000 Yeah.

02:36:14.000 It's...

02:36:15.000 It's amazing when you find out the history of why things are legal and illegal and what happened and where they went wrong.

02:36:23.000 It's weird how long some things, like some propaganda, can sink in and last for.

02:36:30.000 It's crazy.

02:36:32.000 I mean, entertainment is the ultimate form of it.

02:36:32.000 Yeah.

02:36:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:36:35.000 The ultimate.

02:36:36.000 And also the ultimate form of combating it, which is what Orson Welles tried to do with Citizen Kane, kind of show.

02:36:43.000 Obviously, he didn't name the guy William Randolph Hearst, but everybody knew what it was about.

02:36:48.000 That movie is great.

02:36:49.000 It's one of those movies that you hear as...

02:36:51.000 What's up, Jamie?

02:36:51.000 I started looking something up about the pigs and this article from the San Francisco Gate says it's a different guy named George Gordon Moore who brought them in the 1920s for hunting.

02:37:03.000 I'm sure he did, but William Randolph Hearst most certainly had them at his castle.

02:37:07.000 Maybe some of the ones around that area came from William Randolph Hearst's castle.

02:37:12.000 Maybe that's where he got them from, that guy.

02:37:14.000 But Hearst most certainly had them at his place.

02:37:17.000 In fact, Hunter S. Thompson used to hunt William Randolph Hearst's wild pigs.

02:37:21.000 The ones that are around Big Sur, apparently.

02:37:24.000 That's what people think.

02:37:25.000 That's another gnarly place.

02:37:27.000 That's a gnarly place. 0.99

02:37:28.000 That's a place that also, did you see the fucking landslide they got? 0.99

02:37:31.000 Yes! 0.99

02:37:32.000 Shut down the 101 or the one for like...

02:37:34.000 I just drove the one...

02:37:35.000 The PCH? I just drove the one two weeks ago up there, and you cannot believe how much new construction they needed to do.

02:37:42.000 It's open now.

02:37:43.000 It's open now?

02:37:44.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 But it was closed for like a year.

02:37:46.000 Right?

02:37:46.000 I mean, when you look at the construction, you go, well, I can see why this took a year.

02:37:46.000 Yeah.

02:37:49.000 Dude, I drove up there with my family once, and I was so terrified.

02:37:52.000 I was like, to the left is death.

02:37:55.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:37:56.000 It's crazy that you could just drive it.

02:37:57.000 It's crazy.

02:37:58.000 It is one of the great, it's one of the great drives.

02:38:01.000 It's a cliff!

02:38:01.000 You're on the edge of a cliff and if you're on the right side and someone just decides to turn into you, you're done.

02:38:07.000 But you're like, you're like 1,500 feet up.

02:38:07.000 You're dead.

02:38:10.000 Yeah, and people die there. 0.98

02:38:11.000 All the time.

02:38:12.000 All the time.

02:38:12.000 Yeah, all the time.

02:38:13.000 You fall asleep at the wheel, you're fucked. 1.00

02:38:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:16.000 Turning around to get that selfie.

02:38:19.000 It's a crazy way to die.

02:38:21.000 Someone died like that in Malibu not that long ago.

02:38:25.000 It was like Paris Hilton's photographer or something like that.

02:38:29.000 It was a photographer.

02:38:31.000 The guy in the Jeep?

02:38:32.000 Was this this guy in the Jeep?

02:38:33.000 I don't remember.

02:38:34.000 But there was someone who he posted something on social media and he was dead right afterwards.

02:38:40.000 And their speculation was that he was looking at his phone when he went off the side.

02:38:47.000 Yeah, I remember hearing this.

02:38:48.000 I know that.

02:38:49.000 There are a couple turns right there in Malibu. 1.00

02:38:53.000 Yeah, sketchy as fuck. 0.99

02:38:56.000 California, that ride up to San Francisco on the PCH is fucking magnificent, though. 0.99

02:39:02.000 It's so incredible. 0.98

02:39:03.000 It is.

02:39:04.000 It's not magnificent if you're in the backseat.

02:39:07.000 It is not.

02:39:08.000 You will get the car sickness of a lifetime.

02:39:12.000 Yeah, there's a lot of turning.

02:39:13.000 I drove a Winnebago once, and you know the famous bridge that's in every car commercial on the one?

02:39:18.000 Yeah.

02:39:19.000 I didn't realize that all the bikes that I had on the back were, like, too wide, I guess, and I just destroyed every bike we had just gotten the family for Christmas on that thing. 0.98

02:39:28.000 I was like Clark Griswold, vacation driving that fucking thing. 0.98

02:39:33.000 It was not good. 0.99

02:39:34.000 Yeah, people have that idea, right?

02:39:36.000 We're going to take an RV and go across America.

02:39:39.000 There's good things to that, but there's also, you know, your kids have to have a high tolerance for boredom.

02:39:45.000 I remember when my family would drive me across the country, I'd have my book and Mad Libs, and that was it.

02:39:53.000 That's it.

02:39:53.000 That's it?

02:39:54.000 Yeah.

02:39:55.000 You didn't have anything else.

02:39:55.000 I wasn't watching a movie on my iPad.

02:39:57.000 I wasn't watching Mulan.

02:39:58.000 My kids have a different kind of traveling now.

02:40:01.000 And people let them do it.

02:40:02.000 I've let my kids do it just to shut them up.

02:40:05.000 Just so they get some peace.

02:40:06.000 They wear you down.

02:40:07.000 Yeah.

02:40:08.000 They beat you down.

02:40:08.000 They wear you down.

02:40:09.000 There's no way.

02:40:09.000 Can you imagine, hey, read a book and do some Mad Libs from here to Pocatello, Idaho.

02:40:14.000 How long?

02:40:14.000 When are we going to be there?

02:40:15.000 I have to pee.

02:40:16.000 I'm hungry.

02:40:18.000 Oh, brutal.

02:40:19.000 Yeah.

02:40:20.000 Brutal.

02:40:21.000 But you've got to kind of force them to have some boredom.

02:40:24.000 Just so they have those experiences.

02:40:26.000 I remember when my parents took me to Yosemite when I was a kid.

02:40:29.000 And to this day, I remember those experiences.

02:40:32.000 I remember our cooler got broken into by a bear.

02:40:34.000 I remember hearing the bear outside the tent and waking up and there was footprints on the hood of the car.

02:40:40.000 So good.

02:40:41.000 That's my big worry is that...

02:40:43.000 As a culture, we don't know what to do with boredom, you know, because we're never without the world at our fingertips.

02:40:50.000 Yes.

02:40:51.000 You know, so like I remember my mom, I have such vivid memories of, parents would never do this today, but like, we'd go to the market and she would leave me in the car.

02:41:01.000 And she would go to the market and it felt like she was gone for five days.

02:41:06.000 She was probably, looking back on it, she was probably gone for 20 minutes. 0.99

02:41:10.000 But it felt like forever.

02:41:12.000 And I'm in that car as a little boy.

02:41:14.000 I can remember it vividly.

02:41:16.000 And all I have is my mind and my imagination to kill the time.

02:41:20.000 That's it.

02:41:22.000 And, you know, I think it served me very well, but I don't know how many of us are getting that experience today.

02:41:30.000 Not too many.

02:41:31.000 I mean, grown adults are very rarely bored these days.

02:41:35.000 And I think that leads to a real problem with creativity and imagination.

02:41:39.000 And also, social media anxiety and all the nonsense that comes with just reading people's anger and just the way we...

02:41:47.000 I'm off Twitter.

02:41:49.000 I still have a presence on it.

02:41:51.000 And I still use it from here to there.

02:41:55.000 Good for you.

02:41:56.000 And I didn't do the thing that makes me crazy.

02:41:58.000 It's like, I'm leaving Twitter, everyone. 1.00

02:42:02.000 It's like, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:42:04.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:42:04.000 Just go. 1.00

02:42:05.000 Just go, stupid. 1.00

02:42:06.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

02:42:07.000 And then you check to see how people are reacting to you leaving Twitter?

02:42:10.000 Yeah.

02:42:10.000 Let me see what kind of interest that post generated.

02:42:13.000 Yeah.

02:42:14.000 And I'm way happier.

02:42:15.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 There's so many people that are just so addicted to saying something and seeing how people react to it.

02:42:20.000 Oh, what's trending?

02:42:21.000 I loved it.

02:42:22.000 I love checking what's trending on Twitter. 0.98

02:42:24.000 It's fucking best. 0.98

02:42:26.000 In this time and age, too, with Trump, it's just a terrible time because everyone's so angry. 0.98

02:42:33.000 You go on Twitter and people are so furious.

02:42:36.000 You can't have an opinion about anything.

02:42:38.000 Everybody's mad.

02:42:39.000 If you do have an opinion, there's a million people that disagree and a million people that do agree and they're fighting it out to the death of Yeah.

02:42:46.000 It used to be that consensus building or being in the middle of the road was accepted by the warring camps.

02:42:56.000 Right.

02:42:57.000 And now silence is complicit.

02:43:02.000 Yes, yes.

02:43:03.000 So that's really the problem.

02:43:05.000 That's where there's no middle anymore.

02:43:07.000 Right.

02:43:08.000 Right.

02:43:08.000 People are angry at you if you don't post an opinion that agrees with them.

02:43:13.000 You can't even not post an opinion.

02:43:16.000 They'll get mad at you.

02:43:17.000 I've heard people say, you know, hey, history will not be kind to the people that did not talk about this.

02:43:23.000 I'm like, really?

02:43:24.000 What?

02:43:27.000 You can't tell people that they have to comment on things. 0.98

02:43:30.000 That's ridiculous.

02:43:31.000 You're forcing people to express opinions that they might not have even formed? 0.98

02:43:36.000 Yeah, it's a...

02:43:37.000 I mean, I have these talks with my boys because they're right in the thick of it.

02:43:41.000 It's a new generation, obviously, and they have a totally different perspective on it.

02:43:45.000 They're growing up with it.

02:43:46.000 They don't even know what it's like to have no internet.

02:43:49.000 No, it's amazing.

02:43:50.000 That's what's crazy.

02:43:51.000 Isn't it?

02:43:51.000 It's crazy.

02:43:52.000 I remember vividly when it all happened.

02:43:56.000 I remember I was on the West Wing and all of a sudden we went from pagers to BlackBerrys.

02:44:03.000 I remember the first person who ever showed me an iPhone was David Crosby, of all people.

02:44:07.000 Oh, wow.

02:44:09.000 Yeah, and I was like, what is that thing you've got there?

02:44:11.000 And he had one of the first iPhones. 0.99

02:44:13.000 I was a late adopter because I was like, that's bullshit. 0.98

02:44:17.000 I want buttons. 0.98

02:44:18.000 I was late at the same.

02:44:19.000 I wanted buttons and I thought that it was somehow an iPhone was less serious than a Blackberry.

02:44:26.000 Right.

02:44:26.000 You're a business person.

02:44:28.000 I'm a serious person.

02:44:29.000 Yes.

02:44:30.000 I'm not, you know, and then I obviously succumbed.

02:44:35.000 Everybody that I worked with on news radio had the BlackBerry that was the wide one that you did, the two-finger one.

02:44:41.000 Yes.

02:44:42.000 You know, everyone's doing their email off of it.

02:44:43.000 It's very important to have a BlackBerry.

02:44:45.000 Very.

02:44:47.000 BlackBerry.

02:44:47.000 Yes.

02:44:47.000 And then they were called something else in the East Coast.

02:44:53.000 Really?

02:44:53.000 Yeah, it was like a RIM. RIM was the company.

02:44:56.000 And that's one of those great, I would love to do an anthropological look at how they got their clock cleaned.

02:45:05.000 They had it.

02:45:05.000 Oh yeah, they had it all.

02:45:07.000 They had it all.

02:45:08.000 Yeah.

02:45:09.000 Maybe they're going to say that about iPhones someday.

02:45:11.000 Yeah, somebody will come up, but like, what, how do you, how does, it's like via VHS Betamax.

02:45:17.000 Yeah.

02:45:18.000 It's like, this Darwinism of the corporations is so interesting to me.

02:45:24.000 Well, we remember Blockbuster Video.

02:45:26.000 Oh, yeah.

02:45:26.000 Who would have ever thought there'd be no video stores?

02:45:29.000 Who would have ever thought that?

02:45:31.000 I thought it was a novelty, the idea you're going to have things on a hard drive.

02:45:34.000 Like, what?

02:45:34.000 I know.

02:45:35.000 It's ridiculous.

02:45:36.000 I remember the first person telling me, I have my music on my computer. 0.86

02:45:40.000 I said, what do you mean you have music on the computer?

02:45:43.000 He said, yeah, I don't have any CDs.

02:45:44.000 They're all here.

02:45:45.000 But where are your CDs?

02:45:46.000 I don't have any. 0.98

02:45:48.000 Like, it shows you why, this is why we need ayahuasca, because we can't understand simple shit like that. 0.97

02:45:55.000 Well, the real question is what's next? 0.98

02:45:59.000 That's the real question.

02:46:00.000 Like, what are we blind to that our children are going to go, remember back then when people streamed their music and streamed their movies?

02:46:08.000 Like my dad, I'm like, Dad, have you heard my podcast?

02:46:11.000 No.

02:46:12.000 Where do I get them?

02:46:13.000 What do you mean?

02:46:14.000 My dad literally...

02:46:16.000 And then he finally...

02:46:16.000 His wife...

02:46:18.000 Found my podcast.

02:46:20.000 And he goes, and then, this is my favorite, he goes, and then somebody called me, but I didn't know how to shut it off, and now I can't find it again.

02:46:26.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ.

02:46:27.000 I wish my parents didn't know about my podcast.

02:46:29.000 It'd be awesome.

02:46:30.000 Do you get people...

02:46:32.000 Joe, I can't believe you said that.

02:46:33.000 Yeah, my wife listens now. 0.57

02:46:34.000 That's a problem. 0.92

02:46:35.000 My wife could care fucking less about anything I do, so it's great. 0.99

02:46:39.000 That's fucking perfect. 0.98

02:46:40.000 My wife's like, I like that one you did with them. 1.00

02:46:42.000 I'm like, ooh, what did I say?

02:46:44.000 I know.

02:46:45.000 Well, that's the problem with doing podcasts is you...

02:46:48.000 It's a conversation, it's not an interview, so you forget.

02:46:51.000 The point is to forget. 1.00

02:46:52.000 Yeah, you talk a lot of shit. 1.00

02:46:53.000 You talk a lot of shit. 1.00

02:46:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:56.000 Especially, you get loose, and then you're having fun, and you talk like you would.

02:47:01.000 You're basically, like, I don't really have a private voice and a public voice.

02:47:06.000 Right.

02:47:07.000 I just talk.

02:47:08.000 If you and I were hanging out, and there was no one around, I would have the same conversation with you.

02:47:12.000 100%.

02:47:12.000 That's the problem.

02:47:14.000 It's the problem, but that's the point.

02:47:17.000 That's why people like it.

02:47:18.000 That's the point.

02:47:19.000 Yeah, that's why people like podcasts.

02:47:21.000 Give me one piece of advice I need to know.

02:47:23.000 I'm eight episodes in.

02:47:25.000 Do exactly what you did right here.

02:47:26.000 You're going to be great.

02:47:27.000 You're awesome at it.

02:47:29.000 You think?

02:47:29.000 Just talk.

02:47:30.000 Yeah, you're a genuine person.

02:47:32.000 You're an honest, genuine person.

02:47:34.000 That's what resonates with people.

02:47:36.000 It's like someone expressing their real feelings and thoughts about stuff.

02:47:39.000 Right.

02:47:40.000 Yeah, that's what we're missing.

02:47:42.000 You know, what's missing in overproduced stuff that executives and a team of people come up with, that you're missing the thing that resonates with people.

02:47:54.000 There's a lot of podcasts that I love that are produced, like Radiolab or Wondery.

02:47:59.000 I love Wondery.

02:48:00.000 I love the stuff they put out.

02:48:01.000 And it's very produced, but it's different.

02:48:04.000 It's different between what people feel.

02:48:08.000 Listen to us right now.

02:48:10.000 They probably feel like they're in the room They're having this conversation too like they're agreeing or they're disagreeing or they're yelling shut the fuck up while they're driving You know that's that's that's what the appeal is is that it's not in like this is a small Crew of people that produces this is basically a Jamie and myself and the video editors. 0.99

02:48:29.000 I mean, that's it There's no one else so because of that it's not it's not fucked with And I know a lot of people that have podcasts on networks, you know, and then they have to, they have meetings, and I go, you have fucking meetings? 0.97

02:48:43.000 And then they tell me the nightmare meetings they have, where people are like, well, they tune out when you say this, and they do this, like, here's the stats, you can't talk about that, because if you do, I go, oh my god, no! 0.97

02:48:54.000 Really?

02:48:55.000 Like, you look at that stuff?

02:48:56.000 Like, you can't look at that stuff.

02:48:58.000 How do you know if it's not good? 0.99

02:49:00.000 I fucking hate everything I do. 0.98

02:49:01.000 I know if it's not good because I don't like it. 0.99

02:49:04.000 So then I just do better.

02:49:05.000 You don't want to be looking at the stats. 0.99

02:49:08.000 It's gonna fuck you up. 0.97

02:49:11.000 That's really good. 0.99

02:49:11.000 That's a good piece of advice. 0.99

02:49:13.000 Yeah, just do it.

02:49:14.000 You're doing great.

02:49:15.000 You're great at this.

02:49:16.000 You're a natural.

02:49:17.000 Oh, thanks. 0.99

02:49:18.000 I will say that I'm having the fucking time of my life. 0.99

02:49:20.000 There you go. 0.99

02:49:21.000 Perfect.

02:49:22.000 I'm having so much fun doing it.

02:49:24.000 That alone will make it great.

02:49:25.000 Yeah, I thought it was something that I... Like, it was a natural offshoot from...

02:49:30.000 The two memoirs I wrote, and then I built a one-man show off of it, which is really a way of me doing stand-up without calling it stand-up, really.

02:49:41.000 And I did a lot of touring, and it was fun, and I loved it.

02:49:45.000 And I was thinking, what's the next iteration of it?

02:49:47.000 What was the subject of the one-man show?

02:49:49.000 It was called Stories I Only Tell My Friends Live, which is the title of my first book.

02:49:54.000 But it was me talking about my life.

02:49:57.000 That was it.

02:49:58.000 And by the way, the Oscar thing that we talked about, that's the big closer.

02:50:03.000 That's the big closer.

02:50:04.000 Do you play it for people?

02:50:06.000 I play it for people and I go into my...

02:50:09.000 It just becomes a very long, shaggy dog story.

02:50:12.000 And people love it.

02:50:13.000 And then I do questions and I realize that, you know...

02:50:18.000 There are a lot of actors.

02:50:19.000 There are a lot of actors that are better than me.

02:50:21.000 And you try to find out what your special sauce is.

02:50:25.000 Like what is it that I think maybe I can do that maybe others can't?

02:50:32.000 And I think between the books and the one-man show and the podcast, I think that there's something about – Sharing my experience and then bringing other people into it that people have responded to in now three different mediums.

02:50:52.000 Then you've got it.

02:50:54.000 Being yourself...

02:50:56.000 And just being able to express your own unique perspective on life is what's interesting to people.

02:51:03.000 If you can honestly express... 0.99

02:51:05.000 When people listen to you, particularly if they listen to you over and over and over again for long periods of time, they know if you're full of shit or if you're just being yourself. 0.97

02:51:11.000 And if you're just being yourself, they can kind of relax with you. 0.99

02:51:15.000 They can get into you.

02:51:16.000 And then you tell them about things that you're interested in and tell them about things that stimulated you or made you curious or...

02:51:23.000 Affected you and inspired you.

02:51:25.000 You know, Springsteen says a great thing.

02:51:27.000 He says, the audience expects two things of you.

02:51:30.000 They expect you to make them feel at home at the same time you're surprising them.

02:51:37.000 Dude, let's end with that.

02:51:40.000 That's perfect. 0.99

02:51:42.000 Rob Lowe, I appreciate the fuck out of you. 0.98

02:51:44.000 This was great, man. 0.95

02:51:44.000 Thank you very much. 0.95

02:51:45.000 Thank you so much.

02:51:46.000 I really enjoyed this, man.

02:51:46.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:51:47.000 Tell people the name of your podcast, how to get it.

02:51:50.000 It's called Literally with Rob Lowe, and you can get it on Apple or Stitcher or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

02:51:57.000 That was really fun.

02:51:58.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:51:59.000 Thank you.

02:51:59.000 Goodbye, people.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 07, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1522 - Rob Lowe

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