The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1532 - Mike Tyson

00:00:11.000 So a friend of mine, a giant boxing fan, he sends me this text message, he goes, dude, check this shit out. 0.99

00:00:18.000 And it's you, training with Rafael Cordero. 0.99

00:00:21.000 And I remember looking at him going, oh shit, what happened? 0.98

00:00:26.000 What happened? 0.99

00:00:27.000 Because the last time you were in here, you were talking about how you didn't want to work out.

00:00:30.000 Yeah.

00:00:31.000 Because it would ignite the ego.

00:00:33.000 Hey, let's talk about that, too.

00:00:36.000 So, I was discussing with my wife something about me being overweight.

00:00:41.000 You know, sometimes you want to complain about your wife, but you want to take her out of her in some kind of perspective.

00:00:47.000 And she said, well, why don't you just get on this treadmill for 15 minutes a day? 0.97

00:00:51.000 I said, ah, she said, yes, 15 minutes.

00:00:53.000 So it went from 15 minutes a day to two hours a day.

00:00:59.000 That's what you were worried about.

00:01:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:03.000 But I was complaining about my weight, and so...

00:01:08.000 I don't know.

00:01:08.000 I guess I tried on some clothes and it was disastrous.

00:01:11.000 And so I was worried about my weight.

00:01:14.000 And she told me the 15-minute route and it went two hours a day.

00:01:17.000 And I just started losing weight.

00:01:20.000 And then somebody came, my brother-in-law said, hey, Mike, man, I know you're not going to win, but somebody said, would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million bucks? 1.00

00:01:28.000 I said, man, get the fuck. 1.00

00:01:29.000 I said, whoa. 1.00

00:01:30.000 I said, whoa.

00:01:31.000 That's not the thing.

00:01:32.000 I was just kidding. 1.00

00:01:33.000 I said, get the fuck. 1.00

00:01:34.000 I said, whoa. 1.00

00:01:35.000 And I said, well, who would they like me to fight?

00:01:38.000 And he said, one minute.

00:01:39.000 And then it's Bob Sapp.

00:01:41.000 I said, okay.

00:01:41.000 And so I'm saying to myself, well, I know Bob.

00:01:44.000 And I said, ho. 1.00

00:01:46.000 Because I know Bob is big and strong.

00:01:48.000 I said, ho. 0.99

00:01:48.000 One minute. 0.99

00:01:50.000 How would they like me to fight him?

00:01:51.000 Can I fight him under the Marcus of Queensberry rule?

00:01:54.000 And he said, one minute, Mike.

00:01:55.000 He asked the guy.

00:01:56.000 The guy said, yes.

00:01:57.000 I said, I'll fight him.

00:01:58.000 Right?

00:01:59.000 So it was Bob Sapp was the first one that was brought up.

00:02:02.000 Yeah.

00:02:02.000 So for people who don't know Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was a giant fighter in pride.

00:02:06.000 At one time, he was like 375 pounds.

00:02:09.000 He was fighting all the kickboxers.

00:02:11.000 Solid muscle.

00:02:12.000 With abs.

00:02:13.000 It's incredible, right?

00:02:14.000 And it went from him to somebody else, then another guy, then MMA, then this guy, and then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vanda, then it went from, who else?

00:02:24.000 It was another heavyweight champion.

00:02:25.000 It was just a bunch of guys up here and fight, and next thing you know...

00:02:29.000 It came down to Roy.

00:02:31.000 And I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on.

00:02:33.000 And then he signed the contract.

00:02:35.000 I signed the contract.

00:02:36.000 Next thing you know, I'm in the gym again.

00:02:38.000 And it's disastrous.

00:02:40.000 I'm trying to get in the shape. 1.00

00:02:41.000 I'm saying, did I really do this shit? 1.00

00:02:45.000 You know, you would probably know. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Because if you're getting in shape and getting conditioned, they're two different animals.

00:02:53.000 They don't even belong in the same...

00:02:57.000 Work out the vision of working out.

00:02:59.000 Getting in shape is just being kind of fit, but then conditioned.

00:03:03.000 Getting in shape is able to fit your clothes.

00:03:06.000 That's getting in shape, being able just to fit your clothes.

00:03:09.000 Being in condition is being able to come outside of your soul.

00:03:17.000 You can't do that automatically.

00:03:18.000 You're talking about being in fighting condition.

00:03:20.000 Yes.

00:03:21.000 That's a rare state, and you can't keep it for very long.

00:03:24.000 No, it is just...

00:03:25.000 People need to understand that, right?

00:03:27.000 The emotional state to prepare for that is mind-boggling.

00:03:32.000 Well, that's what I was seeing when I was seeing you hit the pads.

00:03:35.000 I'm like, this isn't just working out.

00:03:36.000 There was something going on, man.

00:03:38.000 When you were working out with Cordero and you were ripping to the body and throwing those hooks, I was like, this is a man who's preparing to go to combat. 0.99

00:03:44.000 This is not normal, getting ready to work out shit. 0.98

00:03:47.000 That's why when I saw that video, I was like, oh. 0.99

00:03:49.000 Want me to tell you something about that video?

00:03:51.000 Yeah.

00:03:51.000 I did that video and I was in bed for a week.

00:03:55.000 That was 30 seconds and I was in bed for a week. 0.99

00:03:58.000 And it's not funny because it made me realize that this is big boy shit, okay? 1.00

00:04:04.000 Big boy shit. 1.00

00:04:05.000 There it is right there. 1.00

00:04:06.000 That wasn't really cool.

00:04:08.000 That's in the gym.

00:04:09.000 That's now.

00:04:10.000 The thing is, though...

00:04:11.000 That's now.

00:04:12.000 That's going for, you know, five, six rounds.

00:04:15.000 That's now.

00:04:16.000 But I'm talking about before that 30 seconds, the first time I ever did it, I caught... 1.00

00:04:22.000 What's the shit you kill when you can't work? 1.00

00:04:24.000 Oh, sciatica. 1.00

00:04:24.000 Sciatica, everything came in. 1.00

00:04:26.000 All that shit that came back that made me quit boxing, all the pain started coming back. 0.92

00:04:30.000 So when you started training again, did you start doing it slowly after that? 0.99

00:04:35.000 Extremely slowly.

00:04:37.000 And then I started...

00:04:38.000 Dabbing in an alternative stuff.

00:04:40.000 Like what kind of stuff? 0.99

00:04:42.000 Cryotherapy type shit? 0.84

00:04:45.000 Cryo, stem cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that I still know and it's just beautiful stuff. 0.97

00:04:55.000 Like what kind of stuff?

00:04:58.000 I don't know, hyperbaric chambers and just...

00:05:01.000 Everything.

00:05:02.000 Everything.

00:05:02.000 Everything to help you recover.

00:05:04.000 It's really interesting.

00:05:06.000 It is.

00:05:06.000 Well, I saw you when you walked in today.

00:05:08.000 I was like, God damn, you look good. 0.98

00:05:10.000 You look good, dude. 0.99

00:05:11.000 Like, your muscles look good.

00:05:13.000 You look like you're vascular.

00:05:15.000 You look fit.

00:05:16.000 And I'm starting to feel fit.

00:05:22.000 That's what's interesting.

00:05:23.000 I know what they do and stuff.

00:05:24.000 I think I'm in shape and then the next thing you know, you think you're in shape and then you start having, like, Ralphie will start throwing punches at me.

00:05:33.000 It's like he'll fight and I can't punch back one.

00:05:35.000 I gotta avoid.

00:05:35.000 And then two rounds go by and he said, whoa, I'm not in shape.

00:05:38.000 I'm hitting the bag six rounds.

00:05:40.000 I'm doing this three or five rounds, six rounds.

00:05:42.000 I'm jumping rope.

00:05:42.000 And then I do two rounds with somebody.

00:05:44.000 It's a whole different psychological preparation.

00:05:47.000 Woo! 0.99

00:05:48.000 How much?

00:05:49.000 How much time has gone since you first started exercising?

00:05:52.000 Like when did it start?

00:05:55.000 So here we are, it's like August 23rd or something like that?

00:05:59.000 22nd.

00:05:59.000 22nd?

00:06:00.000 Right.

00:06:00.000 When did it start?

00:06:02.000 It had to start something like April.

00:06:08.000 April.

00:06:09.000 March, something like that.

00:06:10.000 In the middle of the lockdown.

00:06:11.000 Yeah.

00:06:12.000 So you just started just training, and now here you are five months later, four months later, How far away do you think you are to being in, like, fighting shape?

00:06:23.000 Oh, fighting shape?

00:06:24.000 When the time comes by November 28th, yeah.

00:06:28.000 That's when you'll be ready.

00:06:29.000 Exactly.

00:06:30.000 Now, why did you guys decide to move?

00:06:32.000 You were supposed to be in September, right?

00:06:33.000 It was supposed to be September 12th?

00:06:34.000 I believe it was a viewing situation.

00:06:38.000 The proper timing for more people.

00:06:41.000 For audiences?

00:06:42.000 Yeah, I believe it was something of that nature.

00:06:44.000 It's so exciting.

00:06:46.000 It's gonna be awesome because it's gonna be me and everyone else that's involved, Eros and anyone, Innovation, and we're going to start off the Legends Only League, and that's going to be really breathtaking, especially starting off with me and Roy.

00:07:01.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.000 And I'm looking forward to that.

00:07:04.000 It's going to have athletes from every generation.

00:07:06.000 It's an array of everybody who believes in someone.

00:07:11.000 They're all going to come back in all fields, and this is going to be something that me and the Eros Intervention created together, and I think this is going to be pretty awesome.

00:07:22.000 So Legends Only League would be like all sports, baseball, basketball, everything.

00:07:25.000 Everything, yeah.

00:07:26.000 Tennis.

00:07:27.000 Yeah, I think, imagine if something crazy like we did with Billie Jean King did, had somebody, yesterday, Serena, somebody playing McEnroe and that kind of stuff.

00:07:36.000 Right.

00:07:36.000 Exhibitions and stuff like that.

00:07:38.000 Or somebody like Man of War can play one-on-one with whoever, Iverson or somebody.

00:07:45.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 I mean, Man of Peace.

00:07:47.000 Man of War is the horse.

00:07:50.000 Metta world peace.

00:07:51.000 Yeah.

00:07:52.000 No, it's an amazing idea.

00:07:55.000 But particularly for you.

00:07:56.000 Like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited about it was very, very interesting to me.

00:08:02.000 Because I knew that you had that thing in your head where you didn't want to ignite your ego.

00:08:06.000 And then you had this quote that the gods of war reignited your ego.

00:08:11.000 I read that I got so excited.

00:08:14.000 Well, that's the excuse I can use.

00:08:16.000 That's a really great excuse that I can use.

00:08:20.000 But it was a great quote.

00:08:22.000 It made me excited.

00:08:23.000 And when I'm seeing you training, I mean, you know, some people that...

00:08:28.000 You know, everybody has opinions when something like this happens.

00:08:31.000 When a man is 53 now, you're 54?

00:08:33.000 Yeah, 54. And decides to fight again.

00:08:36.000 As fit as you look, like, why not?

00:08:39.000 Why not?

00:08:40.000 You can do whatever you want.

00:08:41.000 Why can't?

00:08:42.000 I mean, if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull.

00:08:44.000 Exactly.

00:08:44.000 Listen, um...

00:08:46.000 Impossible is nothing to somebody that tries.

00:08:49.000 Everything that someone said was impossible has happened.

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 It certainly...

00:08:54.000 Well, listen, in 2020, with all the ways of recovering, all the things we know...

00:08:58.000 Exactly.

00:08:58.000 Our limitations create impossible.

00:09:01.000 Well, it's different now.

00:09:02.000 Limitations are different now.

00:09:04.000 Exactly.

00:09:04.000 So that video when you were ripping the pads and working out with Rafael Cordero, how long into that was that?

00:09:12.000 How quickly did you get your speed back?

00:09:15.000 Was it right away?

00:09:16.000 No speed, but that was our first day.

00:09:18.000 That was your first day?

00:09:18.000 That was our first day.

00:09:19.000 Let's try this out.

00:09:20.000 That was our first day.

00:09:21.000 Wow.

00:09:22.000 And after that day, I was in the bed. 0.99

00:09:24.000 I had to come and get the guy to do the fucking shots and electrocute me to get me back. 0.99

00:09:28.000 I had the sciatica hit me. 0.99

00:09:29.000 I couldn't walk.

00:09:30.000 I was crying to my wife.

00:09:32.000 And I was like, wow.

00:09:34.000 And I don't know why, after that I should've said, this is over, I'm not gonna do it, but that ego stuff said, hey, come on, please.

00:09:42.000 Did it, does it, do you feel like you felt in the old days?

00:09:46.000 Like when, I mean, in terms of your mind, like the enthusiasm about this?

00:09:51.000 Enthusiasm, yes. 0.97

00:09:54.000 Sometimes I'm, I feel, I say this is bullshit, I can't be feeling this good. 0.94

00:09:59.000 You know, and then, I don't know. 0.97

00:10:03.000 I think I really am.

00:10:04.000 I'm feeling good.

00:10:06.000 I know the bag is a bigger bag, 200 pounds.

00:10:09.000 I said, well, this bag wouldn't be moving like this if I'm not hitting it kind of decently, you know?

00:10:14.000 No, you look good.

00:10:16.000 I've seen guys come back, and you see them working out, and it looks sad.

00:10:20.000 And it doesn't look good.

00:10:21.000 What's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training.

00:10:25.000 Why not?

00:10:26.000 In this day and age?

00:10:27.000 But being a real fighter, this is what you know.

00:10:30.000 You see so many people that's in the gym. 0.99

00:10:32.000 Matter of fact, I've boxed people in the gym that kick my ass every day. 0.99

00:10:36.000 But they know what's different? 0.98

00:10:37.000 When you get them in the ring and there's a light on them and people are eating popcorn and drinking beer and they freak out.

00:10:48.000 So true.

00:10:49.000 Yeah, the pressure.

00:10:50.000 But you're Mike Tyson.

00:10:52.000 Exactly.

00:10:53.000 You understand that.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, I know.

00:10:55.000 If anybody knows how to deal with that pressure, it's you.

00:10:57.000 Absolutely.

00:10:58.000 But you know...

00:10:59.000 It's good, but if you don't have the doubt, you're going to have a lot of trouble.

00:11:02.000 You have to have that doubt.

00:11:04.000 Right, you have to have a little bit of that.

00:11:06.000 Now, this new phase of your life where all of a sudden you reignited and you want to compete again.

00:11:13.000 This has got to be fun.

00:11:15.000 It is fun.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, it is fun.

00:11:18.000 I do say it's fun, but it's still...

00:11:22.000 It's apprehensive stuff, you know, it's apprehensive, but it's still, like you said, it's fun.

00:11:27.000 But it seems so exciting. 0.99

00:11:29.000 Like, to watch you train and get ready, it's like, to me, I'm like, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:11:33.000 Like, what do you want a man to do? 0.99

00:11:35.000 What do you want a man to do? 0.99

00:11:35.000 Just sit around, do nothing, just wait, go for walks, do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

00:11:40.000 And if you could still do this the way you're doing it, why not? 0.99

00:11:44.000 Hey, um...

00:11:46.000 I don't understand it either, but I want to do it.

00:11:49.000 I don't understand.

00:11:49.000 I just want to do it and, um...

00:11:52.000 I feel like I was born to do this stuff.

00:11:54.000 Well, you certainly were at one point in time in your life.

00:11:57.000 But you had moved on to a different chapter of your life.

00:11:59.000 You had completely stopped doing that.

00:12:01.000 You were doing a Tyson Ranch thing, smoking a lot of weed.

00:12:03.000 Have you stopped smoking weed totally?

00:12:05.000 Pretty much, yeah.

00:12:06.000 Pretty much stopped.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, it's going to stop.

00:12:07.000 Wow.

00:12:08.000 Wow.

00:12:09.000 That's a big change right away.

00:12:11.000 But when you do something like this, it's all about change.

00:12:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:12:15.000 Listen, you can't continue being a comedian if you're not sharpening your psyche up.

00:12:21.000 Even when you're doing it right here, you're practicing your comedian act.

00:12:25.000 You have to continue to practice.

00:12:27.000 The more you practice it, say if you practice it for a year, you'd be better if you only practice it for a month.

00:12:35.000 The more you do it, the better you become.

00:12:37.000 Do you feel like that now, in this comeback, that you're only sort of scratching your potential?

00:12:43.000 Because you're just getting back into shape again.

00:12:46.000 A year from now, you'll be in even better shape, and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do.

00:12:52.000 God willing, yeah.

00:12:53.000 You're in this rebuilding stage now.

00:12:56.000 Now, that's exciting.

00:12:58.000 When you go to your doctor, these people who have this alternative stuff, and you see the development, you see the healing process, and you say, come on, tell me this.

00:13:08.000 Why is this happening to me?

00:13:10.000 Why a guy like me who just got off drugs, who just gave up his life and don't care about nothing, this is happening to him?

00:13:18.000 Since I married my wife, all this good stuff started happening.

00:13:21.000 I'm saying, wow, what is this stuff all about?

00:13:24.000 Whatever it's all about, it's good.

00:13:26.000 I'm like, take my money.

00:13:28.000 That's what I said.

00:13:29.000 I said, take my money.

00:13:30.000 I want to watch it.

00:13:30.000 Let's see it.

00:13:32.000 And it's not about money, because the money's going to be in charity.

00:13:34.000 And it's just about doing something good.

00:13:38.000 And from that perspective, I used to like feeling like I'm doing something good for somebody more than myself.

00:13:44.000 That's a beautiful part of it, yeah, that it is going to go to charity.

00:13:47.000 But it's also an exciting matchup.

00:13:49.000 And I'm watching Roy work out, too, and Roy looks fantastic.

00:13:51.000 Roy's going to always look fantastic.

00:13:53.000 If he was 100 pounds overweight, he was going to look good.

00:13:56.000 He just really looks good when he does this.

00:13:58.000 Roy Jones Jr. I mean, that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that, you know, Roy is, like yourself, one of the all-time greats and still looks physically fantastic.

00:14:08.000 Like, you see him moving around and hitting the pads.

00:14:10.000 His hand speed looks great.

00:14:11.000 And you can't train with anybody that looks like him to do that.

00:14:14.000 Right.

00:14:14.000 Well, he always had such an unusual style, you know, with very few jabs.

00:14:18.000 He would throw left hooks instead of jabs.

00:14:20.000 You know, I mean, Roy always had, like, one of the strangest styles in all of boxing.

00:14:24.000 Well, it was strange, but it was very effective.

00:14:26.000 Super effective, yeah.

00:14:28.000 Very effective.

00:14:28.000 Just incredibly hard to prepare for, too, because try to find someone who...

00:14:31.000 No one's going to do that.

00:14:32.000 No one's going to do that.

00:14:33.000 No one can emulate him in the gym.

00:14:35.000 Now, when you decided on a fight and decided on a poem, were there other...

00:14:41.000 I heard that someone had offered you Shannon the Cannon Briggs for bare-knuckle boxing? 0.99

00:14:45.000 No, no.

00:14:45.000 It was just Tyson Fury.

00:14:50.000 It was Tyson Fury and quite other guys, but certain things just happened, and it didn't happen.

00:14:57.000 And then it was Holyfield.

00:15:00.000 It was...

00:15:01.000 Shannon and some other guys from MMA and then Roy turned out to be the right guy.

00:15:08.000 I guess we did a survey and Roy popped up the winner.

00:15:11.000 Well, it's certainly a giant name.

00:15:15.000 Holyfield would be a great one too, but it's just having a guy like that that has that big name that is also an all-time great and that also wants to do it too and to get the public excited.

00:15:24.000 I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public excited.

00:15:27.000 Exactly.

00:15:27.000 So, do you think that once you fight Roy, that that'll be it?

00:15:33.000 Or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in your life?

00:15:36.000 I believe this is just going to be the beginning of whatever happens, happens.

00:15:41.000 This is pretty interesting.

00:15:42.000 Being out here talking to you and knowing that...

00:15:45.000 The extent of the wavelength of people who are going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because now this is true.

00:15:51.000 It's really no longer in my head and I'm stroking it.

00:15:55.000 It's real.

00:15:55.000 It's like, wow.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, it's wow.

00:15:58.000 Yeah, I can't wait, man.

00:15:59.000 I want to be there.

00:16:00.000 I want to see it.

00:16:01.000 Hey, down the street here.

00:16:04.000 I'll come back.

00:16:05.000 I forgot the name of the Dignity Center.

00:16:08.000 That's where it's going to be?

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, and is it going to be an audience?

00:16:11.000 It can't be an audience yet, right?

00:16:12.000 I don't believe audience.

00:16:13.000 I believe only, like, I don't know, what am I going to say?

00:16:16.000 Entourage?

00:16:17.000 Right.

00:16:17.000 Small amount of people.

00:16:18.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 Family fight group.

00:16:21.000 And this is going to be eight rounds?

00:16:22.000 I believe so, yeah.

00:16:24.000 So how did you arrive on eight rounds?

00:16:26.000 Hey, listen, um, beats the hell out of me.

00:16:29.000 I wanted to do the exhibition.

00:16:31.000 I wanted to help the people. 0.99

00:16:32.000 I said, why do I got to eat fucking rounds? 0.97

00:16:33.000 But now I'm getting in a condition and we're going to do this stuff. 0.99

00:16:37.000 Well, 8 rounds gives you enough time to work.

00:16:39.000 Gives people enough time to get excited about it.

00:16:42.000 When you think about an 8 round fight, do you see yourself moving into 10 rounds and 12 rounds in the future?

00:16:50.000 We don't know what the future holds, but we're looking forward to just having fun and doing it for a purpose or reason.

00:16:57.000 Because people were talking about you literally fighting for the title again.

00:17:00.000 Hey, I'm not interested in it.

00:17:01.000 I'm just interested in fighting for the title of giving.

00:17:04.000 Okay.

00:17:05.000 Okay.

00:17:06.000 So, just doing this for good.

00:17:08.000 Yes.

00:17:08.000 So, exciting for you, but also generates a lot of positivity.

00:17:12.000 Exactly.

00:17:12.000 Yeah.

00:17:13.000 I love that.

00:17:14.000 It feels soul-cleaning for some reason.

00:17:17.000 Because you're giving away charity, that you're doing something good?

00:17:19.000 Me doing it for myself, I just didn't do it for me no more.

00:17:22.000 Right.

00:17:23.000 That makes sense.

00:17:24.000 I didn't do it.

00:17:26.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

00:17:27.000 So it's both things.

00:17:29.000 So you get to excite yourself, challenge yourself, but the good is all going to an excellent cause.

00:17:35.000 I won't have it in my mind or I'm getting paid.

00:17:36.000 I used to want to never have that in my mind again.

00:17:39.000 I never want to have, oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing kind of attitude.

00:17:45.000 Somebody said, and this was kind of hilarious, someone said, hey, I heard that they're just going to mess around and that they're not going to go for the knockout. 0.99

00:17:53.000 I go, do you know who the fuck you're talking about? 0.98

00:17:55.000 I go, you're talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. Do you really believe that? 0.99

00:18:00.000 That two of the all-time greats, once they start throwing hands, that it won't get crazy?

00:18:05.000 Well, of course it is, because both of us are who we are, and we're going to show our skills, and nobody's going to look stupid, and it's just going to be interesting, I think.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Do you have any other people in mind?

00:18:16.000 Like, do you have a game plan in mind, like, after Roy, or are you just thinking only about Roy right now?

00:18:20.000 At this moment, only Roy, but it's just some interesting people that we have that I'm going to announce later.

00:18:26.000 Now there was some talk of you and Roy way back in the day when Roy fought John Ruiz and won the heavyweight title.

00:18:31.000 Yes.

00:18:32.000 So what did you think about that fight back then?

00:18:35.000 I thought it was really interesting because I couldn't have used the money back then.

00:18:40.000 Me and Roy talked.

00:18:41.000 We were in Texas and we went to Houston.

00:18:43.000 We went to Houston.

00:18:45.000 We talked and after we talked we just went out and chilled out.

00:18:49.000 It was interesting.

00:18:50.000 It never happened.

00:18:51.000 I don't know what happened to me.

00:18:53.000 Something must have happened to me and it just didn't happen.

00:18:56.000 That's one of those things, right?

00:18:57.000 There's always all these potential fights that don't quite line up.

00:19:00.000 Do you have other fights in your head that were potential fights that didn't line up that you wish did?

00:19:07.000 No.

00:19:08.000 Everything happened for the reason that it's happening now.

00:19:12.000 I'm excited about this fight.

00:19:13.000 I'm excited about this fight stylistically, too, because I always liked that fight stylistically.

00:19:18.000 I always thought it was so interesting, you know, because you were just this unstoppable force and Roy was so fast and so slick.

00:19:25.000 I guess I'm just prepared to do a lot of running and chasing.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 You know, yeah, that was real difficult to get in condition for. 1.00

00:19:32.000 Like, chasing this fucking little guy around the ring. 0.98

00:19:35.000 So how many days a week are you training now? 1.00

00:19:37.000 Every day.

00:19:38.000 Every day.

00:19:38.000 You don't have to send days off every day.

00:19:41.000 And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now?

00:19:45.000 The day starts as soon as it's daylight around 5.30.

00:19:50.000 I'll do the four mile run.

00:19:52.000 Come back.

00:19:54.000 What am I doing when I come back?

00:19:57.000 I'm back.

00:19:57.000 I'm in the shower.

00:19:59.000 From the shower.

00:20:01.000 I go downstairs, I let the birds out, fly the birds, come back in.

00:20:07.000 I have a machine where you do the twist for your abs. 0.95

00:20:14.000 And I'll do that probably 200 times on both sides.

00:20:19.000 And I just grab a bite.

00:20:22.000 You know, I may have some...

00:20:23.000 I'm eating meat first.

00:20:25.000 I may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs.

00:20:30.000 You were a vegan for a while, right?

00:20:32.000 How long were you a vegan for?

00:20:33.000 A couple of years.

00:20:34.000 For a couple of years?

00:20:35.000 Yeah, five years.

00:20:35.000 When did it stop?

00:20:36.000 When did you stop doing that?

00:20:40.000 I don't know.

00:20:41.000 Not too long ago.

00:20:42.000 So did you stop because of the training or did you stop before that?

00:20:46.000 Yeah, I did stop reading because of the training.

00:20:48.000 It was because of what I wanted my body to look like and the strength that I wanted to possess.

00:20:54.000 So you started eating meat, red meat, everything?

00:20:56.000 No, no, no.

00:20:56.000 No red meat?

00:20:57.000 But only elk and bison.

00:21:01.000 Oh, red meat.

00:21:01.000 That's red meat.

00:21:02.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 Wild stuff.

00:21:04.000 You eat an elk and bite?

00:21:05.000 Dude, I want to give you some of my elk.

00:21:06.000 Yeah, see, really?

00:21:07.000 Would you please? 1.00

00:21:08.000 Fuck yeah, 100%. 1.00

00:21:09.000 Did you kill it? 1.00

00:21:10.000 Yes! 0.99

00:21:11.000 Yeah, I would like for you to do that.

00:21:12.000 I'll give you some from that elk right there.

00:21:14.000 Yo, that would be so awesome. 1.00

00:21:15.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:21:15.000 That would be so awesome, brother. 1.00

00:21:16.000 I have three commercial freezers in the back.

00:21:18.000 I would love that.

00:21:19.000 I would love that.

00:21:21.000 Like when I look at food, I don't look at food no like I used to look at it.

00:21:24.000 I look at it for what it's for.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 Even what it's for.

00:21:28.000 To take care of the body.

00:21:30.000 Exactly.

00:21:31.000 Well, that's the best meat, too.

00:21:32.000 You know, I realize that there's things that are good for other people, like the kale and the vegetables and all this stuff, the blueberry, and then for me, it's really poisonous.

00:21:42.000 It's not good.

00:21:42.000 That stuff's bad for you?

00:21:43.000 Yeah, that stuff's not good for my blood type and my health conditions and all that stuff.

00:21:48.000 Kale?

00:21:48.000 All that stuff's bad for you?

00:21:49.000 Oh, kale will kill me! 1.00

00:21:50.000 Kale will kill me! 0.99

00:21:54.000 No, actually dead. 1.00

00:21:56.000 Really?

00:21:57.000 For me, kale is toxic to my blood and everything.

00:22:00.000 So when you were a vegan, what were you eating?

00:22:02.000 Oh man, nothing. 0.98

00:22:06.000 My wife called me the miserable vegan. 0.92

00:22:08.000 She said, that's not veganism what you're doing, Mike. 1.00

00:22:11.000 Just being miserable.

00:22:13.000 No, I think it comes down to when...

00:22:19.000 And it's interesting because I've done it when I was with cuss. 0.86

00:22:22.000 I will sometimes just overdo it sometimes.

00:22:25.000 Like sometimes I go for religious fast for 30 days, I might overdo it.

00:22:29.000 Sometimes I might not eat for the whole day.

00:22:32.000 Instead of just for the daytime, not eating and eating.

00:22:35.000 And I might for a couple of days just not eat, period.

00:22:37.000 Don't you think?

00:22:38.000 But that's just your championship mentality, right?

00:22:41.000 Like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like fasting.

00:22:44.000 It has something to do with suffering.

00:22:47.000 I don't know what it is.

00:22:49.000 I can't put my feelings on it.

00:22:50.000 It's about how long can I suffer more than this person or that person?

00:22:54.000 Or could this person do what I did?

00:22:56.000 Right, right, right.

00:22:57.000 I remember you saying that, too, about training, that you would get up in the morning and train because you wanted an edge.

00:23:03.000 You wanted to know that you were training while they were asleep.

00:23:05.000 Exactly.

00:23:06.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 I remember thinking that back when I was doing martial arts.

00:23:09.000 I remember reading that.

00:23:09.000 I'm like, I want to do that, too.

00:23:11.000 I'd copy a lot of shit you did. 0.98

00:23:12.000 Well, you always have to have, and even if it's not so, you have to have, and that's where delusion comes in, because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality. 0.99

00:23:25.000 Right.

00:23:25.000 That's what is delusional.

00:23:27.000 Right.

00:23:27.000 You're just enforcing your mindset.

00:23:30.000 Oh yeah, to allow those delusions to be the reality of your assessment.

00:23:36.000 Now, when you're doing this and you're getting up in the morning and running, do you feel like you felt in the old days?

00:23:45.000 I don't mean physically, I mean the mind, like you're preparing for war again.

00:23:50.000 Does this reignite those old thoughts the way you were when you were the champ, the way you were when you were on your way to the title?

00:23:59.000 This is a whole new way of life.

00:24:01.000 You know what's really interesting?

00:24:03.000 That sometimes...

00:24:04.000 Periodic, not real, but sometimes I struggle with the fact of, wow, there's a possibility I can really hurt somebody.

00:24:14.000 Like you don't want to hurt them.

00:24:18.000 What do you mean when you struggle with the possibility that you could hurt them?

00:24:22.000 That is sometimes...

00:24:25.000 It's orgasmic sometimes.

00:24:28.000 Like some fights, particularly like Tyrell Biggs, or someone that you had problems with, someone that you had animosity towards, so when you could finally get your hands on them.

00:24:41.000 Hey, what does it mean when fighting gets you erect?

00:24:48.000 What does that mean?

00:24:49.000 It's a good question.

00:24:51.000 It means you're getting excited.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:55.000 So that's going through your mind right now?

00:24:57.000 Well, that's how I get when I was a kid.

00:25:00.000 Sometimes I get the twinkle.

00:25:02.000 The twinkle?

00:25:03.000 Yeah.

00:25:04.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:25:05.000 It's like you reached a state as a human being, as a champion, as a ferocious fighter.

00:25:10.000 You reached a state of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will ever touch and feel.

00:25:18.000 That's why I'm asking you, when you're running, when you're hitting the bag, when that heart's beating again, you know who you are. 0.98

00:25:25.000 You're Mike motherfucking Tyson. 0.99

00:25:27.000 So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again. 0.99

00:25:32.000 It's got to be pretty wild.

00:25:35.000 I don't know.

00:25:38.000 It's wild, but I believe it's rightfully so to be that way.

00:25:44.000 I don't think I'm massive, but I just know how to deal with it.

00:25:48.000 I don't let it overwhelm me.

00:25:51.000 No.

00:25:52.000 Well, of course not.

00:25:53.000 But saying that gets you orgasmic, that's a strange thing to say.

00:25:59.000 Well, that's just what I wanted to find out because you're really bright.

00:26:03.000 No, I'm being very serious.

00:26:05.000 No, I know.

00:26:06.000 I know you're being serious, but I mean, no one will understand that other than you.

00:26:11.000 Like, that's your mindset.

00:26:14.000 But I think that like all the things we were talking about before, the way you drive yourself, the way you push yourself, the way you put yourself into that frame of mind, no one's gonna understand that other than you. 0.82

00:26:23.000 So no one's gonna understand you getting an erection from thinking about hurting someone. 0.68

00:26:28.000 More than you will. 0.94

00:26:29.000 There has to be fear based in somewhere.

00:26:32.000 Fear based?

00:26:34.000 Maybe.

00:26:35.000 Or maybe just...

00:26:39.000 Maybe not fear-based, but maybe embracing the fact that you're going to go into this with everything that you have, the chaos of it all.

00:26:46.000 And the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody.

00:26:50.000 The ultimate goal is to be extremely successful. 0.66

00:26:52.000 The way you can be extremely successful, the thing you do great, is to crush people.

00:26:57.000 So to have that encompass everything.

00:27:01.000 This fighting is the only thing I don't ask Allah for. 1.00

00:27:04.000 I just don't ask them for help for that.

00:27:07.000 You don't ask him for help for fighting?

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 Because you think you got it?

00:27:10.000 No, I just don't think...

00:27:11.000 You don't think you should ask?

00:27:12.000 I just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in our law.

00:27:18.000 So...

00:27:18.000 You know, people do, they go to...

00:27:20.000 I just don't.

00:27:20.000 I just don't because it's just...

00:27:23.000 I don't like the way I think and I don't want God to be, you know, involved with the way I think at that time.

00:27:28.000 Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want to reignite your ego.

00:27:36.000 Clearly, your ego is blazing right now.

00:27:38.000 I mean, you're ready to go.

00:27:40.000 Well, maybe because I, um...

00:27:43.000 I'm an addict, a former addict, and I'm under a narcotic ring.

00:27:46.000 The camera's on me.

00:27:47.000 This is a big narcotic, and maybe that has something to do with it as well.

00:27:51.000 But I like to think it's under control until the night of the event.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, the night of the event.

00:27:57.000 So the addiction will get purged with the performance.

00:28:02.000 Right.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, that's why, you know, I was doing, if you don't mind me to interrupt for a second, I was, the book that talks to you, what do they call it?

00:28:12.000 Audio book.

00:28:13.000 And it was called...

00:28:15.000 The Gene Key.

00:28:16.000 Okay.

00:28:17.000 This book.

00:28:18.000 And the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people in general who is not at that level, even anyone that has a creative mind is victimized to depression.

00:28:34.000 And the reason is because when that creative, when that moment, whatever it is that causes that creativity is not Fit the proper information that is successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain and the mind that wants to be accepted and is not accepted,

00:28:53.000 it crumbles.

00:28:56.000 Does that make sense?

00:28:58.000 Well, I feel like with someone like you, the highs that you reach in competing, the highs you reach in fighting, are so high that it's probably very difficult to just exist Outside of that.

00:29:14.000 And I know you love pot for that reason because it calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled you out.

00:29:19.000 Absolutely.

00:29:20.000 It made me like myself.

00:29:22.000 Do you understand that?

00:29:24.000 Yeah, I do.

00:29:24.000 It makes me like myself.

00:29:26.000 It gives you forgiveness of yourself.

00:29:27.000 I agree with that.

00:29:28.000 I never thought about that.

00:29:29.000 I never wanted to be forgiven much because that's really powerful stuff.

00:29:34.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 To have to accept forgiveness is really powerful.

00:29:36.000 And to forgive yourself.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 Yeah.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, it's hard to forgive other people.

00:29:40.000 Sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself.

00:29:42.000 Yes.

00:29:42.000 And marijuana makes you feel...

00:29:44.000 It makes me more compassionate.

00:29:47.000 It makes me more friendly.

00:29:48.000 It makes me want to hug people.

00:29:50.000 It gives me more of a sense of community.

00:29:51.000 Exactly.

00:29:51.000 It makes me like people who I believe did something wrong to me.

00:29:54.000 Yeah, you're like, oh, he didn't fuck me. 0.98

00:29:55.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:29:56.000 He's a good nigga. 1.00

00:29:57.000 He's my man.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, it's like, he didn't mean it. 1.00

00:30:00.000 He's just all fucked up just like me. 1.00

00:30:02.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:30:02.000 But if I'm drunk, I'm going to blow that bread. 1.00

00:30:04.000 Hey, everybody!

00:30:08.000 Yeah, but the fighting thing, to feed that, that experience, it's a different experience.

00:30:17.000 And it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with, like, regular, normal, boring life.

00:30:27.000 You know, when you're training and you're ramping yourself up for a big fight, and then you have that big fight, and you knock out Spinks, In front of the whole world and you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine, the highs of that, the accomplishment, 1.00

00:30:43.000 the training, and then the competing itself, the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life, it's gotta be hard to exist.

00:30:55.000 No, it's not.

00:30:55.000 It's just that...

00:30:57.000 You have to know who you can be at certain times in your life.

00:31:02.000 No one knows who they are.

00:31:03.000 Because if you knew who you were right now, you'd be really limited.

00:31:07.000 You know, because life is about change.

00:31:09.000 Then five years from now, you'd be a different person, won't be this person.

00:31:12.000 So we're going to have to have...

00:31:14.000 Develop some kind of emotional intelligence and just learn, as time goes on, grasp what's ever going on and just form with it.

00:31:23.000 As it changes, you change with it.

00:31:25.000 Because it's very difficult when times change to change with the times.

00:31:29.000 Right.

00:31:30.000 And you have to be conscious of that.

00:31:32.000 And the times is not the people around you.

00:31:35.000 The time is the development and time you have left on this planet that you have to develop who you are.

00:31:41.000 How difficult is it to make that change, though, to become a different person other than a world championship fighter?

00:31:47.000 Like, when you decided to stop, was it difficult?

00:31:49.000 Well, time will make you that person.

00:31:51.000 Time will.

00:31:52.000 Yeah, time will make you that person.

00:31:53.000 What is time, I don't know.

00:31:55.000 Right.

00:31:56.000 But time has also made you that person again now, though.

00:31:59.000 Now it's reignited.

00:32:01.000 Now new time has come, and now you're training again.

00:32:05.000 Exactly.

00:32:05.000 But I think this is done mostly for my health.

00:32:09.000 Right.

00:32:09.000 For my mortality more than anything.

00:32:13.000 Subconsciously, I think.

00:32:14.000 That's the reason why I did it, just to be healthy.

00:32:19.000 This stuff goes on, then this, and then I meet a doctor and say, hey, you know, you should do this and this, and you should try a stem cell.

00:32:25.000 I'm like, you never tried a stem cell?

00:32:26.000 But this is what really got me interested in this stuff.

00:32:31.000 I interviewed, which I like to do you as well, On my podcast, if you're licensed to do it, it's your contract won't let you do it.

00:32:39.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:32:40.000 So I had the opportunity to talk to Ken Shamrock.

00:32:47.000 Okay. 0.99

00:32:47.000 And so he came in and I looked at him and I said, fuck, he looks incredible. 0.99

00:32:50.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:32:51.000 Hey, what are you doing right now? 1.00

00:32:52.000 Why you look like that?

00:32:54.000 How's that happen?

00:32:55.000 And he said it was in Columbia and I said, where?

00:32:58.000 I'm going tomorrow.

00:33:00.000 But I had some people nearby that I happened to be introduced to, and they were on the top.

00:33:07.000 Is that that bio-accelerator place down in Colombia?

00:33:10.000 Is that what it is?

00:33:11.000 I didn't go there.

00:33:11.000 Is that where Henry Cejudo went?

00:33:13.000 I have no idea who went there.

00:33:14.000 I have no idea where it's at.

00:33:15.000 I used to know it was in Colombia.

00:33:17.000 And I met some other people who were just on top of their game with this anti-aging, all this stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff also.

00:33:29.000 I met these people, and it was just amazing stuff.

00:33:33.000 So you're able to now train all these days a week.

00:33:37.000 You have, like, how many months in now?

00:33:41.000 You're solid since April.

00:33:42.000 Yes.

00:33:43.000 And you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of healing and recovery?

00:33:48.000 Absolutely.

00:33:48.000 Especially this gentleman that we call, his name is Brad Rowe.

00:33:51.000 We call him the mechanic.

00:33:52.000 The electrician, that is.

00:33:54.000 And he works through...

00:33:57.000 Current forces and that was just...

00:33:59.000 Oh, electro-muscular stimulation, those things?

00:34:01.000 Yeah, but it's different.

00:34:01.000 It's totally different.

00:34:02.000 It's different?

00:34:02.000 It's in that family, but just totally superior than that.

00:34:06.000 That's just so antiquated compared to this stuff, you know?

00:34:10.000 So, you were talking about your ability to...

00:34:14.000 You run in the morning, and now what's the afternoons like?

00:34:16.000 What are you doing in the afternoons?

00:34:17.000 That's when I'm training.

00:34:19.000 Around 1 o'clock, I'm in the gym, I'm doing the training.

00:34:23.000 2.30, I'm probably talking on the phone, and...

00:34:28.000 Flipping some deals, making arrangements probably to do other shows, the commercial or else some ads and just stuff.

00:34:34.000 Business stuff.

00:34:36.000 How did you get hooked up with Rafael Cordero?

00:34:38.000 Because for folks who don't know, he's a legendary trainer in MMA. He's from Shoot the Box in Brazil.

00:34:44.000 He was one of the top guys back when Shoot the Box was the number one MMA camp in Brazil where Anderson Silva and Vanderlei Silva.

00:34:52.000 I found this out later, but this is how this happened.

00:34:55.000 The two of us met.

00:34:58.000 I said, hey, you know, I like to hit the mitts. 0.86

00:35:00.000 You think I can hit the mitts with somebody? 0.92

00:35:02.000 You think you got somebody around to hit the mitts?

00:35:04.000 I was getting ready to go to Freddie's gym.

00:35:06.000 Freddie Roach?

00:35:07.000 Yeah, and then someone said they had Rafael.

00:35:14.000 And I said, okay, let me check him out.

00:35:15.000 And she was just perfect.

00:35:18.000 Is he near you?

00:35:19.000 Does he live near you or something?

00:35:20.000 He lives in Laguna.

00:35:21.000 I'm in Newport.

00:35:24.000 What is the name of this?

00:35:26.000 Laguna...

00:35:26.000 Close enough.

00:35:27.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, that's close.

00:35:28.000 That's real close.

00:35:29.000 So he's there, I believe, and yeah.

00:35:31.000 He's a great trainer.

00:35:32.000 We just came from Vegas and stuff.

00:35:34.000 We just hanging out, you know, had to go someplace.

00:35:38.000 And he's just cool, cool.

00:35:42.000 I met him before the pandemic, but that's what I mean.

00:35:46.000 We came before the pandemic.

00:35:47.000 We were in Vegas, and we met, I guess, at one of the UFC fights.

00:35:52.000 And then I met him over here, and I was saying, I want to hit the Mets, and then that's how...

00:35:57.000 We got back together.

00:35:58.000 He's a great man, like a good person.

00:36:00.000 No, the reason why I kept him up, not necessarily because he was awesome, but because he put so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family, the whole camp.

00:36:10.000 He's a beautiful man.

00:36:11.000 His image, his energy is just awesome.

00:36:14.000 Yeah, he's got great energy.

00:36:15.000 He's beloved.

00:36:16.000 Yes.

00:36:17.000 Like in the MMA world and all the people that he trains with, everyone loves Rafael Cordero.

00:36:21.000 Oh, he's the best.

00:36:21.000 You can't find a person to say a bad word about that man.

00:36:24.000 Oh man, he's so awesome.

00:36:25.000 And he's a very good trainer.

00:36:26.000 And he also was a guy, that style, that shoot box style, they were very aggressive.

00:36:32.000 And I was like, oh, that actually makes sense, him and you together.

00:36:35.000 Yeah, when we do drills, the drills are what's going on.

00:36:38.000 When we're hitting the mitts, it's no just, hey, hit the mitts, pop, pop, pop, boom, we're moving, it's action, boom, heart beating, heart beating, heart breathing, and we're just working at it.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, I'm watching and I'm saying it's interesting because he's got you doing a lot of like side to side and angles.

00:36:57.000 Oh yeah, listen, I do eight rounds on the bag and I do four rounds with me and I'm moving around.

00:37:01.000 Oh, whoo! 0.93

00:37:02.000 You feel how I go?

00:37:03.000 That bag worked. 0.99

00:37:04.000 What was that bag?

00:37:05.000 Was that even really work out?

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 You know, he said, was that really even a workout?

00:37:10.000 What was that, the warming up for this?

00:37:11.000 What was that about?

00:37:12.000 You don't even know that existed after you did those four or five rounds.

00:37:16.000 So when you go from April, when you first started doing it again, to now, how much better do you feel?

00:37:21.000 Listen, that was just a joke at the beginning.

00:37:26.000 You know, right now it's really perking up.

00:37:29.000 It feels like real training.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, it does.

00:37:32.000 It's taking that deep breath.

00:37:34.000 Ah!

00:37:36.000 Do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your prime?

00:37:42.000 Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't you, that we could look at?

00:37:44.000 Is there a film that someone...

00:37:46.000 Do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the mitts in my prime and see me hitting the mitts now?

00:37:51.000 I bet we do.

00:37:52.000 I bet you can find it.

00:37:53.000 Somebody must have...

00:37:54.000 Hit the mitts in 88 and let me hit the mitts from last weekend.

00:37:57.000 You tell me.

00:37:58.000 No, listen, I'll tell you. 0.99

00:37:59.000 You look fucking fantastic. 0.99

00:38:01.000 That's what's interesting about it. 0.99

00:38:02.000 I said, wow, that's me.

00:38:03.000 I said, look at this.

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 It's just I had more endurance back then than that, but now I'm catching up.

00:38:09.000 Well, that's what's interesting about it.

00:38:11.000 It's not like watching an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to compete.

00:38:15.000 It's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills.

00:38:18.000 Like, you look great, man.

00:38:20.000 That's what's crazy about it.

00:38:21.000 I'm just gonna work on this and work off it and keep working on it and see where this goes.

00:38:26.000 It's so exciting.

00:38:28.000 I love it.

00:38:30.000 Listen, this is Johnny Ryan, the guy that works with us in Aeros and stuff.

00:38:35.000 When we announced the fights, we got in 2.5 billion hits.

00:38:44.000 I'm serious.

00:38:45.000 I believe it.

00:38:46.000 I believe it.

00:38:47.000 No, this is going to be a huge fight.

00:38:49.000 I mean, this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view, in terms of people buying it and watching it.

00:38:54.000 There it is.

00:38:55.000 There's a great video.

00:38:56.000 In terms of helping people as well.

00:38:58.000 Of Roy and you training together.

00:39:01.000 There's a compilation.

00:39:03.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:39:03.000 It looks like somebody speeded my goddamn film. 0.99

00:39:06.000 My mother-in-law said they speed that up and my wife said they speed that up. 0.99

00:39:09.000 I said, no, I think they did not.

00:39:11.000 That's the electrician. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Oh, the electrical muscular stimulation shit? 1.00

00:39:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:19.000 No, it doesn't look like it's sped up.

00:39:21.000 It looks like you still have the speed.

00:39:23.000 That's what it looks like.

00:39:24.000 That's what's so exciting about it.

00:39:25.000 With a King's MMA shirt on?

00:39:27.000 Yeah.

00:39:29.000 It's so exciting!

00:39:30.000 It's so exciting, man.

00:39:32.000 It really is.

00:39:33.000 I'm 100% into this, and I can't wait for the fight to go down.

00:39:38.000 It's going to be November 18th now, right?

00:39:40.000 I believe that's it.

00:39:41.000 28th.

00:39:41.000 28th?

00:39:42.000 November 28th.

00:39:42.000 It was enough time for fans and everybody in Thanksgiving to be home and to be able to view it for the holidays and just be able to help more people, the more people that view it.

00:39:52.000 This is so exciting, man.

00:39:54.000 Now, are you doing weightlifting?

00:39:56.000 Are you doing any swimming?

00:39:57.000 Like, what are the kind of exercises you're doing?

00:39:58.000 The only swim I did was win that shark commercial.

00:40:01.000 That was the only swim I was going to ask you about that.

00:40:03.000 And we're doing little weights with just a lot of reps and just doing a lot of...

00:40:08.000 So you have a strength and conditioning coach?

00:40:10.000 Yeah, Brad Rowe.

00:40:11.000 Okay, so he's doing...

00:40:12.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:13.000 Brad Rowe.

00:40:14.000 I've heard that name before.

00:40:16.000 Weightlifting champ, trained weightlifting champs and all that stuff.

00:40:21.000 And he's just an awesome person. 0.67

00:40:23.000 To me, it's kicking butt.

00:40:24.000 And how many days a week are you doing strength and conditioning along with your running and your boxing training?

00:40:28.000 I think from Monday to Friday.

00:40:29.000 I think we do Saturdays, too.

00:40:30.000 I say, hey, I'm bored.

00:40:31.000 Let's just go Saturday and work, too.

00:40:32.000 Wow.

00:40:33.000 How good does it feel to get back in shape again, man, and to look great?

00:40:36.000 Hey, it feels awesome, but listen, there's nothing easy about it.

00:40:40.000 You know, getting in shape is not easy.

00:40:43.000 It's just continuous stuff.

00:40:46.000 It's consistency.

00:40:48.000 There it is.

00:40:48.000 Big ol' Brad!

00:40:52.000 So how the fuck did they talk you into getting in the ocean with sharks? 0.98

00:40:55.000 What was that all about? 0.99

00:40:56.000 Listen, I don't know how they did this.

00:40:59.000 The money wasn't really that great and stuff.

00:41:02.000 You know?

00:41:03.000 And I'm sorry, Shark World.

00:41:06.000 Your guys underpaid me.

00:41:09.000 And they had me out there.

00:41:13.000 I was there.

00:41:16.000 It was really interesting, man.

00:41:18.000 It was really interesting.

00:41:19.000 I'm just saying, how did these guys get me in here?

00:41:23.000 Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

00:41:25.000 And listen, Dana thought he was doing me.

00:41:26.000 I don't want Mike to fail.

00:41:28.000 I think Mike do a couple of gigs with these guys.

00:41:30.000 And I'm saying, thanks a lot, Dana.

00:41:32.000 You really like me.

00:41:33.000 Dana really like me.

00:41:35.000 I'm saying, Dana really cares about me.

00:41:38.000 He said, forget the fight.

00:41:39.000 I don't want to see Mike fight. 1.00

00:41:40.000 I want to see Mike go fuck with some sharks. 1.00

00:41:43.000 Yeah, I would say fighting is probably safer. 1.00

00:41:47.000 Dana didn't want you to fight, right?

00:41:49.000 Yeah, but then he wants me to go with sharks, though!

00:41:54.000 Why didn't he want you to fight?

00:41:56.000 Did you talk to him about it?

00:41:57.000 No.

00:41:57.000 He has never seen it until he's seen it and watched me.

00:42:00.000 Once he saw you, then he changed his mind?

00:42:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:42:03.000 Yeah.

00:42:04.000 I think once someone sees the dedication that you have, that you're actually fit, that you're actually moving fast, and you actually can compete at a very high level.

00:42:12.000 I just had to realize that...

00:42:14.000 I'm not going to rush in there like that no more.

00:42:16.000 I got to move around.

00:42:17.000 I got to do it in a different way.

00:42:18.000 Because I tried to go in there the first time sparring, and it was a disaster.

00:42:21.000 So I went in there thinking, using my head, moving, and things went the way I wanted it to go.

00:42:25.000 How long in training was the first time you sparred?

00:42:28.000 First time I sparred?

00:42:29.000 15 years.

00:42:30.000 First time you sparred in 15 years.

00:42:32.000 And how many months into training was that?

00:42:34.000 You started in April.

00:42:35.000 So when did you start sparring?

00:42:37.000 The really boxing stuff, boxing stuff, is when I did that stuff with...

00:42:43.000 I did the stuff with Raphael.

00:42:44.000 First time.

00:42:45.000 Right, but you mean first sparring.

00:42:47.000 First sparring rounds.

00:42:48.000 Yeah, it was really weird and stuff.

00:42:50.000 But I realized when I was getting hit, boom, boom, boom, I got hit a couple of times. 0.94

00:42:54.000 I didn't go like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.98

00:42:55.000 I said, wait, I belong here. 0.98

00:42:58.000 It brought it back.

00:42:59.000 Yeah, I said, I belong here.

00:43:01.000 I got rock, boom, boom, boom.

00:43:02.000 I got rock and I heard the ring.

00:43:04.000 I said, boom, I didn't panic.

00:43:06.000 I said, oh, I belong here.

00:43:08.000 Wow.

00:43:09.000 I said, I belong here.

00:43:09.000 I started moving and started talking about it.

00:43:11.000 I said, whoa, I belong here.

00:43:13.000 Nice. 0.99

00:43:13.000 I never said, what the fuck am I doing? 0.99

00:43:15.000 This shit is crazy. 1.00

00:43:16.000 It just never happened. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Never happened.

00:43:18.000 I was expecting that. 0.99

00:43:20.000 You were expecting the what the fuck am I doing? 1.00

00:43:21.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:43:22.000 Fuck this shit. 1.00

00:43:23.000 Hey, hey, stop. 1.00

00:43:23.000 Fuck this shit, nigga. 1.00

00:43:25.000 I ain't doing this shit. 1.00

00:43:26.000 But that's what I was expecting, really. 0.99

00:43:29.000 But I said, whoa.

00:43:30.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:43:31.000 Whoa, I belong here.

00:43:32.000 Then you felt it and you readjusted.

00:43:34.000 First thing I said, I said, whoa, I belong here.

00:43:37.000 Nice.

00:43:38.000 Nice.

00:43:39.000 How long did it take before you started feeling comfortable sparring?

00:43:42.000 The next time I sparred again.

00:43:44.000 Really?

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 So the next time you sparred again, you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another person.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because your body's not moving for the kill now.

00:43:58.000 You have to develop the relationship.

00:44:01.000 Ooh, this is going to be interesting when you hear this.

00:44:03.000 And the fighter probably doesn't understand that, but as he gets older, you have to develop Reacquaint a relationship with your mind and your body.

00:44:11.000 Your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it sometimes.

00:44:15.000 So you have to...

00:44:16.000 They have to sync up.

00:44:17.000 Yeah, they have to sync up.

00:44:19.000 Now you have to talk.

00:44:20.000 Hey, before it was like, wing, wing, wing.

00:44:21.000 Before it was like, let's do it.

00:44:22.000 Bing, bing, bing.

00:44:23.000 Now it's like, hey, let's move here.

00:44:24.000 Let's move here.

00:44:25.000 You have to talk.

00:44:25.000 You lose that tenth of a second when you talk to yourself.

00:44:29.000 So you're doing it instantly.

00:44:30.000 So do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic?

00:44:34.000 Well, we're gonna see.

00:44:35.000 I like that.

00:44:37.000 Yeah, I'd like that, too.

00:44:39.000 I like that.

00:44:40.000 It's exciting, though, man.

00:44:42.000 It's very exciting to see you sparring again, to see all that.

00:44:45.000 Now, when you're sparring, are you sparring technically?

00:44:49.000 Are you sparring hard?

00:44:54.000 The first time I went back to sparring, I tried to go all out, and that was disastrous.

00:44:58.000 My body wasn't listening.

00:45:01.000 And so, like you said, I had to develop that relationship.

00:45:05.000 And the second time I sparred, that was so much better.

00:45:09.000 I wasn't rushing and trying to hurt nobody, kill nobody.

00:45:12.000 I was just trying to accomplish stuff.

00:45:15.000 Just get working.

00:45:16.000 And how often do you sparring a week?

00:45:19.000 When I go back to sparring, I like sparring every day.

00:45:22.000 Really?

00:45:22.000 Every day?

00:45:23.000 Yeah, because the more you do it, the better it is.

00:45:25.000 Right, the more your timing is, the better you feel.

00:45:27.000 What are your thoughts on, like, some people think that you could spar too much and then you leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp?

00:45:34.000 Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp, not to get hit.

00:45:37.000 That's the art of boxing, learning not to get hit in the fight, and you have to do that by trying to get hit in the gym real seriously and avoiding that.

00:45:46.000 And then it turns out in a fight.

00:45:47.000 So you shouldn't be in the gym saying, I've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of fighting, not to get hit as much as you believe you are.

00:45:57.000 What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much though in sparring?

00:46:01.000 Do you tell them to take some time off or do you say...

00:46:04.000 You know what I say?

00:46:05.000 I try to teach them how not to avoid those punches.

00:46:09.000 And if he doesn't, I don't really want to have much to do with somebody, because I don't want to be involved with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and stuff like that.

00:46:17.000 Well, I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions with different fighters, and there's a bunch of stuff on the internet.

00:46:26.000 Did you think about doing that in the future?

00:46:28.000 No.

00:46:29.000 No, no, not at this moment.

00:46:30.000 It just takes a really special person to do that.

00:46:34.000 You gotta be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist, a dietitian.

00:46:38.000 It's just so many hats you have to wear in being a trainer.

00:46:41.000 A good trainer, a true trainer to yourself and your fighters.

00:46:44.000 It's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality.

00:46:49.000 I totally can understand that, but I would also imagine that in your mind, there's some knowledge that I would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer.

00:46:58.000 Only a trainer can do.

00:47:00.000 Yeah, I'm the kind of guy, if you want to know from me, you got to learn from a distance.

00:47:02.000 Let me talk to you or something.

00:47:04.000 I'm not like Cuss.

00:47:06.000 Cuss would never get tired answering questions. 1.00

00:47:09.000 Sometimes my son asked me, so I said, why are these guys answering me?

00:47:12.000 Because that's the way I was with Cuss. 1.00

00:47:14.000 But I'm not Cuss.

00:47:16.000 Cuss would love to answer all my questions because Cuss wanted the perception that he knew everything and you should listen to him and take his advice because he knew everything.

00:47:26.000 Yeah.

00:47:27.000 You know, that's what it's like.

00:47:28.000 If you was his friend, you always came to him for advice.

00:47:30.000 He always wanted advice, wanted to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems.

00:47:37.000 That's just what he was.

00:47:39.000 You know, do you ever think back on your life, like, your life with Cuss and just the story, the origin story, is almost like a movie. 0.68

00:47:48.000 It's almost too crazy.

00:47:49.000 No, no, no, no.

00:47:49.000 Let me tell you what happened, man.

00:47:51.000 I'm in spot fit detention for boys.

00:47:55.000 And Muhammad Ali, they showed the movie The Greatest.

00:47:57.000 It's like 77, 76, I'm 11 years old.

00:47:59.000 They played Ali.

00:48:01.000 And then Ali walks in and talks to the kids.

00:48:04.000 And I saw him and I saw everybody going crazy.

00:48:06.000 I said, I want to be like him.

00:48:07.000 And from there, I go upstate New York.

00:48:10.000 There's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named Bobby Stewart.

00:48:14.000 Mr. Stewart taught me how to box.

00:48:16.000 And eventually he said, I want to introduce you.

00:48:19.000 And he took me upstate and met Custom Auto.

00:48:20.000 This is all in a couple of months since I've seen Ali.

00:48:24.000 And now I'm training to be a boxer.

00:48:26.000 Crazy.

00:48:28.000 And you were 13, right?

00:48:30.000 No, I think I was 13, yeah.

00:48:35.000 Look, that's like a movie.

00:48:37.000 No, I knew I was going to be successful.

00:48:41.000 I knew everything was going to go right.

00:48:43.000 I knew it.

00:48:44.000 It was in my blood.

00:48:45.000 I was only a kid, but I say, I want to be like that guy.

00:48:47.000 And it just started working.

00:48:50.000 And it's such an amazing...

00:48:52.000 Listen, not even three or four months after I saw Ali, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:48:57.000 I met him.

00:48:58.000 I'm in one place.

00:48:59.000 I had a fight, trying to stab a guy that I did with a pencil or something.

00:49:04.000 I go from there, and I go over to this bad place called Elmwood, this cottage.

00:49:09.000 That's where Bobby Stewart, because he's a fighter, and he had to take care of these...

00:49:12.000 All the staff there, big strongmen, because they have to take care of these very interesting kids, you know, like...

00:49:20.000 Homicidal kids. 0.97

00:49:21.000 These are kids, but they're really wild.

00:49:23.000 And so...

00:49:26.000 That's the job.

00:49:27.000 We're in the wild.

00:49:27.000 We're in the bad college, the lock-up college, Elwood.

00:49:31.000 And so we have the bad memories. 0.66

00:49:33.000 That's the crazy kid college.

00:49:34.000 It gets locked down.

00:49:35.000 No one can go outside like we.

00:49:37.000 They got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff.

00:49:41.000 And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage.

00:49:45.000 That's where I learned to go to school.

00:49:47.000 That's where I've learned everything in this bad boy place, this place where all the bad kids at.

00:49:52.000 Since they had to have extreme kind of guard, steer, security, Mr. Stewart was a professional boxer, and he would teach the kids how to box if they behaved themselves and got on a certain level in which you can go back there and box.

00:50:06.000 And guys were coming back to their dorms.

00:50:08.000 I was locked up.

00:50:08.000 I wasn't on the level to go because I had just got there, so they put me in the back to lock you up to see what kind of person you are, so they put you in the group.

00:50:17.000 And I see these guys coming back with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out of the ribs, but they were happy and they're laughing about this. 0.99

00:50:24.000 Yo, he fucked you up! 0.99

00:50:25.000 Yo, baby, you almost got him! 0.99

00:50:27.000 And I say, yo, what's going on and what's happening?

00:50:28.000 They say, yo, we're fighting Mr. Stewart, we're boxing Mr. Stewart, and stuff, and they're happy with them bleeding, tooth knocked out the head.

00:50:35.000 But they were happy and there was enthusiasm.

00:50:37.000 I said, I wanted to do that too because I wanted to be tough.

00:50:39.000 And so Mr. Stewart, I talked to him.

00:50:41.000 He didn't want to teach me.

00:50:42.000 So I started cleaning and being a real nice kid to everybody because I wanted to learn how to box because all the kids were happy.

00:50:48.000 And he started teaching me how to box.

00:50:50.000 It's crazy that you met Cuss, too, because out of all the people that you could meet, no one was better at the psychological game.

00:50:56.000 Oh, I would never have been the champ if I wasn't from Cuss, because he put stuff in my mind. 0.98

00:51:02.000 I started thinking about myself being these people, visualizing myself being, I don't know, great or somebody.

00:51:07.000 I've never done that in my life.

00:51:10.000 I've never heard, not even in the ghetto, somebody say this.

00:51:14.000 Like, I said, wow, he's great.

00:51:15.000 I'm talking about, like, Holmes.

00:51:16.000 I said, wow, he's incredible.

00:51:18.000 I said, why is he incredible?

00:51:20.000 I don't think it's that incredible.

00:51:22.000 Why shouldn't you have that?

00:51:23.000 Why should he have that and not you?

00:51:24.000 I've never heard Smythe say that to me.

00:51:28.000 But Cuss was a master at the psychological game.

00:51:32.000 Master.

00:51:32.000 You would hear him talk about things, just reading the things that he's written about the psychology of fighting.

00:51:38.000 He was the perfect guy for you.

00:51:40.000 It was almost like the stars aligned.

00:51:41.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:51:43.000 Yeah.

00:51:44.000 It really is like a movie.

00:51:46.000 It really is like it all lined up.

00:51:48.000 And plus, physically, you were so unusual.

00:51:51.000 You were so unusual, so gifted.

00:51:53.000 I mean, even when you were really young.

00:51:54.000 Everybody told him that he can't be able to be too small.

00:51:58.000 No, I'm too short.

00:51:59.000 No way in the world he can be too short, Cuss. 1.00

00:52:02.000 He's too small.

00:52:03.000 He's got the 225, 230. Well, obviously they were wrong.

00:52:09.000 Big time.

00:52:10.000 But it was also...

00:52:10.000 You might have been short, but you had the best style, and Cuss developed that with you, the best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter.

00:52:20.000 The bobbing and the weaving, the constant pressure.

00:52:22.000 Exactly.

00:52:23.000 But I believe...

00:52:24.000 Style is relevant.

00:52:26.000 I believe it's the morale behind the style.

00:52:31.000 I think success in fighting in life is about desire and the will.

00:52:37.000 How bad do you want it?

00:52:38.000 Is it worth dying for?

00:52:40.000 That's the true greatness is the willingness to die.

00:52:43.000 So is this thing worth greatness?

00:52:45.000 The mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order to think about things in a way that fueled that mindset.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, but that doesn't do good in the real world though.

00:52:58.000 It's really disastrous in the real world.

00:53:01.000 Right, right.

00:53:02.000 That is true, right?

00:53:04.000 Yeah.

00:53:05.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

00:53:06.000 It's like the very thing that made you special could fuck you in the real world with regular people. 1.00

00:53:13.000 Oh, the real world. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Guys like that go to prison.

00:53:15.000 They don't exist in the real world.

00:53:17.000 They gotta take them out of there.

00:53:18.000 They have to remove them from the real world, those kind of people like myself.

00:53:23.000 Isn't that what's crazy?

00:53:24.000 Like, that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in, where you have to learn how to be, and that's where cannabis helped you a lot, too.

00:53:30.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:53:30.000 Oh, man, forget it.

00:53:33.000 I get it.

00:53:34.000 I get it.

00:53:35.000 But now you're not smoking any weed getting ready for this fight.

00:53:38.000 No, no, no.

00:53:38.000 Do you miss it?

00:53:39.000 Well, I understand the discipline of this stuff.

00:53:44.000 But what I don't like about it is just that without cannabis, it doesn't matter.

00:53:49.000 I just get mean.

00:53:51.000 I don't like the mean stuff.

00:53:53.000 I don't like I might snap at my wife or my kids.

00:53:55.000 That's what I don't like.

00:53:57.000 Right.

00:53:57.000 What?

00:53:58.000 Right, right, right.

00:53:59.000 Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again.

00:54:01.000 It's a little different right now than the last time I was talking to you.

00:54:05.000 There's a little more intensity going on.

00:54:06.000 But it's also, you're ramping up.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, you know, I'm just always, um...

00:54:11.000 I'm sometimes, um...

00:54:13.000 I get beside myself and I forget that I have to be grateful for what God did in general.

00:54:23.000 Sometimes I get caught up into my ego.

00:54:27.000 It's just a struggle, but I'm working on it.

00:54:29.000 I never worked on it before, so that's a start.

00:54:32.000 I never considered working on it before.

00:54:35.000 But that is the thing, right?

00:54:36.000 What gets you to be a championship-level fighter can really fuck you up in the rest of your life.

00:54:40.000 Oh, I can't believe it. 0.61

00:54:41.000 I'm so happy my wife is still with me. 0.60

00:54:43.000 I'm just very grateful because I'm just useless and stuff.

00:54:47.000 I have to learn how to live life.

00:54:50.000 Life, I'm disastrous in living life. 1.00

00:54:53.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:54:54.000 Fucking joke. 1.00

00:54:55.000 I get it, man. 0.99

00:54:56.000 You would never believe, you know, I'm using these nice words and I'm conducting myself.

00:55:00.000 You come to my nice house and you would say, this guy is just an uncool Neanderthal.

00:55:06.000 You know, so I just listen to my wife. 1.00

00:55:10.000 People think it's stupid. 1.00

00:55:11.000 I listen to this right. 1.00

00:55:12.000 So she told me before I came in.

00:55:14.000 Be kind and be nice to everyone.

00:55:16.000 Be kind and nice.

00:55:18.000 Because I don't eat most of the time.

00:55:20.000 I only eat after we eat.

00:55:21.000 And if I don't eat enough, she says she's going to get angry. 0.93

00:55:23.000 Can you please eat?

00:55:24.000 So she's forcing me to eat this stuff for Friday.

00:55:27.000 Goodness.

00:55:28.000 And so I said, okay, I eat.

00:55:29.000 But she's right.

00:55:31.000 Because we've been married 11 years.

00:55:34.000 Well, you got a good one then, man.

00:55:36.000 You got someone who balances you out.

00:55:38.000 Someone who understands you.

00:55:39.000 Yeah.

00:55:40.000 I don't know.

00:55:41.000 Listen, I was talking to her.

00:55:44.000 Sometimes I think about we're together and this is going to be over soon and we're going to die.

00:55:48.000 One of us is going to die before the other one is going to say, I would not know what to do if you died first. 0.90

00:55:53.000 Wow.

00:55:54.000 And I had to take care of these kids because her whole life is me and all my kids. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Right.

00:55:58.000 Her life is me and not only the two kids that we have, but her life is me and all my kids.

00:56:05.000 Right.

00:56:07.000 And...

00:56:11.000 I would just love her and marry her just for that alone. 1.00

00:56:14.000 No pussy, no passion, no sex, that alone. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:56:19.000 Yeah, that's beautiful, man.

00:56:21.000 Find someone who balances you out like that.

00:56:24.000 Absolutely.

00:56:25.000 But that, what we were talking about, where the very fire that gets you to be Mike Tyson, that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring, will, if you don't learn how to control it, will fuck you up in every other aspect.

00:56:40.000 No, listen to him.

00:56:41.000 For instance, after my one-round fights, Some of them calls me lawsuits because right after that, you think I'm calmed down.

00:56:49.000 You think after 30 seconds or 45 seconds, hey, he's cool.

00:56:52.000 After one round, everything's cool.

00:56:54.000 He's happy.

00:56:54.000 It's over.

00:56:55.000 It's still ringing.

00:56:56.000 It's revving up.

00:56:57.000 It's still revved.

00:56:58.000 It's not finished.

00:56:59.000 It's not dead.

00:56:59.000 The energy's not dead.

00:57:00.000 Not the energy that you jet.

00:57:02.000 The energy of hurting somebody or continuing to hit somebody.

00:57:05.000 It's revved up.

00:57:06.000 Right.

00:57:06.000 And so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation.

00:57:09.000 It's not, hey, what?

00:57:10.000 It's just off.

00:57:11.000 You have no control over it.

00:57:13.000 Right. 0.98

00:57:13.000 And it's almost like you're insane. 0.98

00:57:15.000 Like, why can I stop this?

00:57:16.000 Why is this happening to me?

00:57:17.000 Why am I in jail right now?

00:57:23.000 And you're Mike Tyson, so it's not like anybody can tell you not to do it, or anybody can tell you to shut up or calm down.

00:57:28.000 You're not going to listen to anybody. 0.99

00:57:30.000 You're the fucking king of the world. 1.00

00:57:32.000 But it just gets crazy when the people in the jail and prison know you real well, you know? 1.00

00:57:37.000 They're familiar with you.

00:57:38.000 When they see you, they're not excited now, right?

00:57:41.000 They get really familiar with you.

00:57:45.000 Jamie Foxx is going to play you in a movie.

00:57:46.000 That's going to be interesting.

00:57:48.000 That's going to be interesting.

00:57:49.000 That's wild.

00:57:50.000 If anybody can do it, Jamie Foxx can do it.

00:57:52.000 That's a talented man.

00:57:54.000 He's really good at what he's done. 0.99

00:57:55.000 He's fucking talented. 0.99

00:57:56.000 That guy can do anything. 1.00

00:57:58.000 He's one of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear him play music, you see him do stand-up comedy, then you see him act, you're like, this fucking guy can do anything. 0.98

00:58:05.000 He's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything.

00:58:10.000 Yo listen, when the light is on you, when the universe put the light on you, there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come.

00:58:18.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 It's all about the light, man.

00:58:21.000 All of us get it.

00:58:22.000 You may not think the homeless man in the corner, the blind and paralyzed guy that's begging with the cup.

00:58:28.000 We all get that moment of shine.

00:58:31.000 We all get it.

00:58:33.000 Feelings, performance, whatever it is, we all get it.

00:58:37.000 Now when Jamie is playing you, I know Michael Jai White played you once.

00:58:42.000 Did you talk to him about that?

00:58:44.000 No, I didn't know him or anything.

00:58:45.000 I was in jail when this guy was doing this stuff.

00:58:48.000 Do you know Michael Jai?

00:58:50.000 I met him a few times.

00:58:51.000 He's a great guy.

00:58:52.000 He appears to be.

00:58:53.000 Very, very nice guy.

00:58:54.000 I've known him for a long time.

00:58:55.000 And very respectful guy, too.

00:58:57.000 But was it weird watching someone play you?

00:59:00.000 No.

00:59:02.000 No?

00:59:03.000 No, no.

00:59:04.000 It's just... 1.00

00:59:07.000 That ego shit kicks in, so I'm watching it. 0.99

00:59:10.000 And he had some good qualities in it. 0.99

00:59:13.000 He did some really good stuff that I thought...

00:59:15.000 But the stuff that he did that represented me, I don't think people even picked up on it.

00:59:22.000 Like what kind of stuff?

00:59:23.000 It's the way he moved his head.

00:59:25.000 Yeah.

00:59:26.000 People don't know.

00:59:27.000 I crack my neck all the time.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, what was that about?

00:59:29.000 You were always doing that.

00:59:30.000 I don't know.

00:59:30.000 I don't know what had happened.

00:59:31.000 When I had fought...

00:59:34.000 Bone Crusher Smith's head hit me, and the next thing I know, I don't know how to crick him out.

00:59:37.000 I couldn't stop.

00:59:38.000 My neck was messed up, so I had to go to a chiropractor.

00:59:42.000 I don't know what the heck was wrong with it.

00:59:44.000 It was a nerve.

00:59:45.000 It was a nerve.

00:59:46.000 So it was from the Bone Crusher Smith's head?

00:59:47.000 Well, that's when I started doing it.

00:59:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:50.000 I had some nerves.

00:59:51.000 It was a nerve that was...

00:59:54.000 Did you ever have neck problems like you needed surgery?

00:59:58.000 Yeah, I had surgery in my neck.

00:59:59.000 You know why?

01:00:00.000 You remember when I used to do those rolls on my head?

01:00:03.000 Yes.

01:00:04.000 The football roll?

01:00:05.000 They destroyed me.

01:00:06.000 They destroyed your neck.

01:00:07.000 I would do them for three minutes and stop a minute and do them for three minutes.

01:00:11.000 I'd do it for five or six or eight rounds.

01:00:14.000 And as time went on, they just beat me up. 1.00

01:00:16.000 That gave you a crazy fucking neck, though, man. 1.00

01:00:19.000 Your neck used to start at your temples and just go straight down. 1.00

01:00:24.000 For fighting, you need a good neck.

01:00:26.000 Are you doing anything to strengthen your neck down?

01:00:28.000 Yes, I have the weight stuff.

01:00:30.000 You ever use an iron neck?

01:00:31.000 Tell me about that.

01:00:32.000 No.

01:00:33.000 It's a halo.

01:00:33.000 I'll give you one.

01:00:34.000 I have one in the back.

01:00:35.000 It's a halo.

01:00:36.000 You put it on.

01:00:37.000 You pump it up.

01:00:38.000 It fits around your head.

01:00:39.000 And then it's got a bungee cord on it.

01:00:40.000 So you back up like this.

01:00:41.000 The bungee cord's 50 pounds.

01:00:43.000 And then you do these.

01:00:46.000 And because it doesn't do this with your neck, it doesn't put pressure on the discs.

01:00:50.000 So it doesn't move the discs in an unnatural way with weight.

01:00:54.000 Yeah, because you can do all these different exercises on it.

01:00:57.000 But it doesn't ever bend your disc.

01:01:00.000 So it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your discs.

01:01:04.000 That sounds interesting.

01:01:05.000 You know what I have?

01:01:06.000 I would love that.

01:01:08.000 Thank you.

01:01:08.000 I really appreciate it.

01:01:09.000 I have a treadmill that you have to put on some shorts first. 0.67

01:01:23.000 You can zip the shorts with the plastic that covers the machine and you start running and then you can run as fast as you can and you won't feel anything.

01:01:33.000 But it's not water inside of it?

01:01:34.000 No, it's running a treadmill.

01:01:35.000 It's under plastic, and it's zipped up around you.

01:01:38.000 This thing right here?

01:01:39.000 Zero gravity treadmill, is that it?

01:01:40.000 That's what it is, yeah.

01:01:42.000 Oh.

01:01:43.000 How's that working?

01:01:44.000 That's pretty awesome.

01:01:45.000 You don't feel anything, then you take the pants off. 0.94

01:01:47.000 You feel all the sex, you might fall to the floor. 0.92

01:01:50.000 Really? 0.93

01:01:50.000 Yeah, it's really cool. 0.93

01:01:51.000 So this way it doesn't beat up your joints?

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 But listen, this is what people don't understand.

01:01:57.000 Yeah, you have a machine that don't beat up, but when you're running outside...

01:02:01.000 The high of running outside is almost worth messing your joints up.

01:02:04.000 Really?

01:02:05.000 Yeah, the high you get from running outside.

01:02:08.000 What's the difference between the high you get from running outside?

01:02:10.000 I do, I do.

01:02:11.000 I do run outside, but what do you feel?

01:02:16.000 Man, it's just, I can't even articulate this.

01:02:19.000 Between being outside running and It's like night and day.

01:02:26.000 Being inside a house on a treadmill, being outside running, it's like night and day.

01:02:31.000 You can't even compare the two.

01:02:32.000 Is it because you're moving, you're traveling distance?

01:02:35.000 Is it because you're breathing in the fresh air?

01:02:37.000 It's a spiritual difference.

01:02:40.000 It's just a spiritual difference.

01:02:42.000 Running, hearing the birds, hearing the whatever it is the animals running through, breaking the sticks and the weeds.

01:02:49.000 You're just conscious of everything.

01:02:51.000 Right.

01:02:51.000 It's real running as opposed to just exercise on a machine.

01:02:55.000 Exactly.

01:02:55.000 Even if you have a headphone on, you're still conscious of everything out there.

01:03:00.000 Now, have you talked to Jamie Foxx?

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:03.000 While he's getting ready to do this?

01:03:05.000 I talk to Jamie just periodically, all the time.

01:03:07.000 We don't even talk about the film.

01:03:08.000 Really?

01:03:09.000 Yeah, we don't talk about it.

01:03:10.000 Now, he's getting bulked up, too.

01:03:12.000 He's getting jacked. 0.90

01:03:13.000 He looks huge. 0.96

01:03:14.000 I just wait till he's finished.

01:03:16.000 When is this supposed to take place?

01:03:17.000 Hey, whenever he's ready, I guess.

01:03:19.000 Oh, wow.

01:03:20.000 That's wild.

01:03:21.000 So when he gets ready to do it, is he going to hang out with you and try to take on your mannerisms?

01:03:26.000 Well, he's known for quite a long time, so he knows my mannerisms.

01:03:30.000 He's not going to...

01:03:31.000 If I died, he can do me.

01:03:34.000 Right, right.

01:03:34.000 Pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to be around me.

01:03:37.000 Do you want to help him?

01:03:40.000 Do you want to give him any pointers or anything?

01:03:41.000 Whatever he wants.

01:03:42.000 Whatever help and what areas and what direction he needs me to help him in.

01:03:46.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.000 If I'm capable of doing it, yeah.

01:03:49.000 If you're going to have someone play you, I think he's the perfect person.

01:03:52.000 He's just good.

01:03:53.000 And there's other guys too, but he's just...

01:03:55.000 He just knows the real...

01:03:57.000 He has been there.

01:03:57.000 It's hard to get a guy that's just...

01:04:00.000 20 years old, and then we're going to have him portrayed as a 25. And he just never get it right.

01:04:06.000 When somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time, and they create that environment again in their mind once they're under the influence of that person they're portraying, Jamie's going to just knock it out the park.

01:04:20.000 He'll knock it out the park, for sure.

01:04:22.000 He understands that environment and that chemistry he's going to reconnect.

01:04:29.000 Now, are you going to be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all legit?

01:04:34.000 Listen, Jamie will be around me.

01:04:36.000 He'll discuss it with me.

01:04:37.000 I'm sure we have that taken care of as well.

01:04:40.000 But, you know, we're just going to work this out the best way possible for both of us, I believe.

01:04:46.000 Now, is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man, or is it supposed to be you as a champion?

01:04:51.000 Well, we're not going to talk about that right now.

01:04:53.000 There's going to be a bunch of stuff, but you're going to really dig it.

01:04:56.000 I'm going to tell them some really interesting stuff.

01:04:59.000 So you're saying that running outside, it's worth it, just for the spiritual difference.

01:05:04.000 It's worth the beating up on the joints. 0.98

01:05:06.000 Does it fuck with your joints? 0.91

01:05:08.000 Do you have knee problems or ankle problems these days? 0.71

01:05:12.000 Yeah, I do, but the guys I work with, they take care of that right away.

01:05:18.000 You know, it's almost like, it's like, I don't know, it's like, I don't know, I want to say healing like I'm 18, but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints.

01:05:41.000 It is interesting what they can do today.

01:05:44.000 You could heal and recover way better than you ever could before.

01:05:47.000 There was no 54-year-old men that looked like you when we were kids.

01:05:51.000 No, no.

01:05:52.000 Jack O'Lane was the only one.

01:05:54.000 Yeah, and even Jack Lane, I mean, he was kind of fit, but he was just fit because he was disciplined.

01:05:58.000 Yes.

01:05:59.000 Because he continued to exercise deep into his 90s.

01:06:01.000 Well, discipline is what it's all about.

01:06:02.000 I don't care how good you are in anything, you don't have discipline, you ain't nobody.

01:06:05.000 Right.

01:06:06.000 You're nothing without discipline.

01:06:07.000 Because you give up on the slightest struggle without discipline.

01:06:11.000 100%.

01:06:11.000 And that has to be something that you also learn from Cuss as well.

01:06:16.000 I don't know what discipline is.

01:06:18.000 I don't know what discipline is.

01:06:18.000 He told me discipline is doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it.

01:06:24.000 Doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it.

01:06:27.000 That is a great quote.

01:06:30.000 And if you can do that, you can be successful in anything.

01:06:33.000 You normally are.

01:06:34.000 You'd be the best janitor in the history of janitors.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:38.000 And I used to use that for a perspective, not just putting those janitors down.

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 You know, the best of it.

01:06:44.000 I know what you're saying.

01:06:46.000 When all is said and done, I would love it if someone sat down with you and made maybe a book of all the things that Cuss taught you.

01:06:57.000 I don't know.

01:06:58.000 All those things that Cuss taught me nowadays would not be cool.

01:07:02.000 In what way?

01:07:03.000 I don't know.

01:07:04.000 Cuss was born in 1908. In 1908, they had a different opinion of people having opinions like women and stuff like that. 0.72

01:07:13.000 And Cuss...

01:07:14.000 Cuss believing... 0.98

01:07:18.000 That he cared for the downtrodden people and this and that for the blacks and Latinos and Irish people who were being abused by the Irish people of that time, which is crazy. 0.63

01:07:31.000 He really was that guy.

01:07:36.000 He was the guy that fought for the people that didn't have anyone to fight for them.

01:07:43.000 He was just that guy.

01:07:43.000 He wanted to be that person.

01:07:45.000 He wanted to be a person that people looked up to and he was the boss and stuff.

01:07:49.000 He just wanted to be that person.

01:07:50.000 And when I read his book and I found it about him, he was successful his whole life.

01:07:55.000 He was always the guy in the neighborhood that people came through to settle beefs and talk things over and loan people stuff and help people out.

01:08:03.000 And he liked being in that position of being able to teach people something, what he believed was teaching them something.

01:08:09.000 He knew so much about the human mind.

01:08:11.000 Well, when he died, this is very interesting.

01:08:14.000 We went and died, and Camille, I lived with him and Camille, and we went out and cleaned the room, and when I saw it in the room, I saw all books about psychiatry and the mind and everything, and mystic stuff and all that stuff.

01:08:28.000 And I said, this is what he was really about.

01:08:32.000 Yeah, he just, like, he believed he was a mystic believer as well.

01:08:35.000 He believed in Zen and the art of...

01:08:38.000 Archery and all of those books.

01:08:40.000 He was just a believer in more than what we saw.

01:08:44.000 You know, it was more than what we could physically articulate going on with us as human beings or what we are called.

01:08:52.000 When you sit back and you think about your career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy, I mean, how much did that play a part in your mind?

01:09:01.000 Like when you knocked out Trevor Burbick, became the youngest ever heavyweight champion, when you're thinking about that, did you ever stop and think like, man, how lucky am I that I ran into that man?

01:09:11.000 No, no.

01:09:12.000 He said he summons me.

01:09:13.000 He summoned you.

01:09:15.000 Whoa.

01:09:18.000 Makes sense.

01:09:20.000 I mean, you think about a man whose life work involved psychiatry, involved the mind, boxing, hypnosis, training all these boxers, Floyd Patterson, had all these great fighters, and then he wants one great one before it's over,

01:09:36.000 and he summoned you.

01:09:37.000 No, he wants an animal.

01:09:38.000 An animal.

01:09:41.000 He summoned you.

01:09:44.000 What'd that feel like for you?

01:09:47.000 Does it make sense?

01:09:48.000 No, I believe what he told me.

01:09:49.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:09:53.000 I mean, I don't know if I believe you could summon someone, but goddamn, that seems like it's real. 0.97

01:09:59.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:10:00.000 That seems like it's real.

01:10:02.000 I don't know.

01:10:02.000 I think you can do whatever you believe you can do.

01:10:05.000 If you really believe it.

01:10:06.000 Yeah.

01:10:07.000 Well, that was what I got out of all the things that I read about you and him together, and being able to talk to you about you and him, is that he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind worked, and you just ran with him.

01:10:23.000 I'm an extreme kind of person.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, so I get carried away.

01:10:28.000 If your confidence is not a delusional perspective, you have the right confidence.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 You get so amped up, Mike.

01:10:38.000 Even he's sitting here talking to you about these things, I could see it in you.

01:10:42.000 You get amped up even just talking about achieving things, talking about success, talking about the mind.

01:10:48.000 You know, I could see it inside of you.

01:10:50.000 You get very fired up about these things.

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:54.000 I have to be serious about anything I want to accomplish.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, that intensity is what made you special.

01:11:02.000 I'm mean, Joe.

01:11:03.000 I can't have people.

01:11:04.000 This is the first time I had my wife and kids around me.

01:11:06.000 Normally, this can't happen.

01:11:08.000 I have to be away from them.

01:11:09.000 For camp?

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.000 No, I can tell, man.

01:11:12.000 You're different right now than the last time I saw you.

01:11:15.000 I can tell you're ramping up for this fight.

01:11:17.000 Yeah, it's just what it is.

01:11:19.000 I don't know if I like being who I am.

01:11:21.000 It's just who I am.

01:11:23.000 Are you planning on doing this and then seeing whether or not you're cool with it after it's over?

01:11:28.000 And then maybe going back to the way you were?

01:11:32.000 I just want to do it.

01:11:33.000 You just want to do it?

01:11:34.000 Yeah, let's just do it.

01:11:35.000 Only think about that for now and then let all the chips fall where they may after it's over?

01:11:40.000 I just do it.

01:11:41.000 I just want to do it.

01:11:42.000 I like doing it.

01:11:42.000 I don't think it's going to be disastrous enough that this is going to be awesome and we're going to do it.

01:11:47.000 I'm so glad you're doing it, man.

01:11:49.000 There's a lot of people that had negative opinions about it.

01:11:52.000 And I was like, listen.

01:11:53.000 No, this is interesting.

01:11:55.000 Okay.

01:11:56.000 Let's think about it.

01:11:57.000 How old are you?

01:11:58.000 You're not that old.

01:11:59.000 I'm 53. I'm a year younger than you.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, but listen, the fact is, like, when they said they can't get people on the moon, because they didn't want to believe it.

01:12:10.000 Because it's like, they don't want to believe it.

01:12:12.000 But what they're going to say when it happens.

01:12:15.000 I think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54-year-old person, when you're talking about recovery, sports science, what they know about how to make the body work, what they know about training and conditioning.

01:12:30.000 People are just different now.

01:12:31.000 Yeah, but all you have to do, you could be on so many steroids and pills or whatever they got, health growth and all that stuff, but listen...

01:12:41.000 You could be the best physical shape in your right if you don't go out there with a good mental perspective.

01:12:46.000 It's going to turn out disastrous.

01:12:48.000 Yeah, if you're not mentally prepared.

01:12:49.000 Yeah, it's going to be disastrous.

01:12:51.000 But that's the thing that I'm liking about talking to you.

01:12:53.000 You seem very mentally prepared.

01:12:55.000 You're ramped up, Mike.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, I don't know if I am.

01:12:58.000 It's just that this is who I am.

01:13:00.000 I don't know.

01:13:02.000 I like fighting. 0.91

01:13:03.000 Well, that's why you were so fucking great at it. 0.93

01:13:07.000 And that's what's so exciting about this is that you're back into that mindset again. 0.94

01:13:11.000 I guess so, yeah.

01:13:13.000 I try to control it because I have to know.

01:13:14.000 I have people at home I have to just level my personality down for.

01:13:18.000 That's the problem, right?

01:13:19.000 The problem is living regular life.

01:13:22.000 Once you turn the switch on, just to keep...

01:13:25.000 You know, normally when I'm in this mode, I only want a slave.

01:13:29.000 I don't want a family member! 0.79

01:13:34.000 I have to cut stuff down and we all have to be from a humanity perspective.

01:13:39.000 You get in the conqueror's mindset.

01:13:41.000 It's just that I think everything should go my way while I'm going through this process.

01:13:47.000 I think no should be a foreign language for this next two months.

01:13:51.000 For what I need to prepare for what I need to prepare for.

01:13:54.000 Everything should go your way.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, from my perspective, from me knowing me, preparing for what I need to prepare for, yeah.

01:14:02.000 That's an alien thought process for most people.

01:14:05.000 They don't understand, like, to be Mike Tyson, to be who you were when you were at the top, you have to think like that.

01:14:11.000 I don't know.

01:14:11.000 I think everyone thinks.

01:14:12.000 I think you think like that.

01:14:13.000 You think like that, too.

01:14:15.000 That's what I mean to fight.

01:14:17.000 I think the fight is the most extreme version of that, though.

01:14:19.000 For you to prepare for the...

01:14:21.000 Let's say you had Joe Biden in here.

01:14:24.000 For you to prepare for that, that's going to be very interesting, right?

01:14:26.000 You're not going to come at him like you came at somebody that you know that you're comfortable with.

01:14:30.000 You're going to look at him from a different perspective.

01:14:31.000 Let me hit him from this part and see where this comes from because he's going to look at you as just some sports jock.

01:14:36.000 Yeah.

01:14:37.000 So you're going to say, I'm going to surprise them and come at them from this direction.

01:14:39.000 That's just how we think, the competitive.

01:14:41.000 We don't want nobody to think what we are.

01:14:44.000 We want them to have a little bit of figuring out process of what we are.

01:14:50.000 If I had Joe Biden in here, I think I'd get really high before I talk to him.

01:14:53.000 Oh, that would be beautiful.

01:14:54.000 I think he would be high, too.

01:14:57.000 You can't tell me he's not a high guy.

01:14:59.000 He looks like he's a high guy.

01:15:02.000 He's going to be a high.

01:15:03.000 He definitely seems like he's on something.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, but I would get really high before I talk to a dude like that.

01:15:09.000 That would be awful.

01:15:10.000 You know how sometimes when you're real high, you feel energy from people, good or bad?

01:15:15.000 You feel.

01:15:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:16.000 If you hunt some mushrooms, you got them pegged.

01:15:19.000 Whoa, baby! 1.00

01:15:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:21.000 When you hunt some mushrooms, you see who they really are behind the screen.

01:15:24.000 If my wife don't like me, there's no mushrooms. 1.00

01:15:26.000 She said, you're on shrooms again, huh? 0.99

01:15:28.000 Don't come in here with no damn shrooms. 0.98

01:15:30.000 Shrooms and DMT. Don't mess with shrooms and... 1.00

01:15:33.000 What's that?

01:15:35.000 Chunga. 1.00

01:15:35.000 Don't mess with no... 1.00

01:15:36.000 Chunga and shrooms.

01:15:37.000 That's a no-no for me at the house. 1.00

01:15:39.000 Don't bring that shit home. 1.00

01:15:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:41.000 That's funny, man.

01:15:42.000 Yeah.

01:15:43.000 Just even microdosing.

01:15:45.000 If you microdose mushrooms and you're around people, especially if someone's lying to you, especially if they're pretending they're something they're not...

01:15:52.000 Listen, I've done mushrooms alone.

01:15:54.000 Before, I used to do like a bag.

01:15:55.000 And then I stopped for like three months.

01:15:59.000 And I said, let me just do a little.

01:16:02.000 I'm looking at the tub and bang!

01:16:08.000 I'm God and you guys are just here for my entertainment.

01:16:19.000 I know some dudes who train on it.

01:16:26.000 They like to train on mushrooms.

01:16:27.000 Listen, you know what I did?

01:16:28.000 I took some mushrooms and I did the bike for two hours, but it was like...

01:16:32.000 It was just like, I was in a zone...

01:16:37.000 But breathing heavy.

01:16:38.000 I can hear my breathing. 1.00

01:16:40.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:16:41.000 I'm going to die. 1.00

01:16:42.000 I'm thinking you're going to die. 1.00

01:16:43.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:16:45.000 I don't stop rolling. 1.00

01:16:46.000 I'm thinking I'm dead.

01:16:47.000 Because that's what mushrooms do. 0.71

01:16:49.000 It makes you believe you're dead. 1.00

01:16:50.000 It gives you that feeling of fucking, like, boom. 1.00

01:16:53.000 It's just... 1.00

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:55.000 I'm living dead.

01:16:57.000 You're feeling that your soul is separate from your physical body.

01:16:59.000 Listen, why can't they...

01:17:01.000 Listen, stop.

01:17:02.000 It's like...

01:17:03.000 No.

01:17:05.000 It's like you're in this room, right?

01:17:07.000 I'm in this room.

01:17:09.000 Well, you said that blew my mind yesterday.

01:17:11.000 I'm in the room, and all the room is like...

01:17:14.000 It could be like...

01:17:15.000 The whole room, this whole room is like...

01:17:17.000 Covered in like a...

01:17:19.000 Kind of like...

01:17:20.000 Shaded, visible, and I'm just covered.

01:17:23.000 And it's just me and everything.

01:17:25.000 The whole world is outside of me.

01:17:27.000 Yeah.

01:17:28.000 And it's like I'm gone and everything is just my entertainment.

01:17:30.000 I'm just looking in and no one sees me.

01:17:33.000 It's just, oh man, forget it.

01:17:36.000 I gotta run up and say, hey, baby, baby, baby, even though I've been hiding this stuff for my...

01:17:40.000 Baby, baby, I took some shrooms.

01:17:42.000 I'm not feeling good, baby.

01:17:43.000 I'm sorry.

01:17:44.000 I'm just not feeling good. 0.98

01:17:46.000 I'm seeing shit. 0.99

01:17:47.000 I'm not feeling good. 1.00

01:17:47.000 What does your wife say when you do that? 1.00

01:17:49.000 She says, I told you not to use that shit. 1.00

01:17:52.000 Stop doing it. 1.00

01:17:56.000 I learn things when I do them, though, too.

01:17:59.000 I learn things about myself.

01:18:00.000 Oh, do I? Yeah.

01:18:03.000 And I said, see, baby?

01:18:04.000 Because when I do learn, I tell my wife, she said, this is true.

01:18:06.000 I said, see, the shrooms.

01:18:08.000 The shrooms, mom, it's the shrooms.

01:18:10.000 It gives me that enlightenment.

01:18:11.000 But it's also, once I do shrooms sometimes, I know why I have to stop doing the shrooms, because I start doing it too much, and then I lose the concept of time.

01:18:20.000 I might have been, like you say, me and my wife's in the car.

01:18:24.000 We drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week.

01:18:29.000 We drop her off, then we come back to the house, and I just say, Hey, where's Milan?

01:18:35.000 We just dropped off, Mike, and I lost that concept.

01:18:39.000 I lost that time.

01:18:40.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.000 Yeah, it makes regular life seem trivial.

01:18:45.000 Things like time, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

01:18:48.000 It's a problem.

01:18:50.000 Yeah.

01:18:51.000 If you have to keep appointments.

01:18:52.000 Oh no, I'm not going to make that.

01:18:55.000 And if you go there and if your body, if the shrooms tell you, hey, you shouldn't really be here, this is not worth our time, this is not what we're vibing on to reach the higher level, this becomes disastrous.

01:19:09.000 This guy becomes the enemy now.

01:19:10.000 He's stopping my enlightening me now.

01:19:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, shrooms, I think there should be clinics all over the country. 1.00

01:19:20.000 Some of them do.

01:19:20.000 They are cyberten, what's it called?

01:19:23.000 Supacibin.

01:19:24.000 Psilocybin?

01:19:24.000 Psilocybin, yeah.

01:19:25.000 But it's still a Schedule I drug, unfortunately, in this country, but I think there should be clinics where professionals...

01:19:30.000 Listen, have you heard about the White Cobra?

01:19:33.000 The white cobra?

01:19:34.000 Yeah.

01:19:35.000 Oh, he should do a great psychedelic too.

01:19:38.000 What's another psychedelic?

01:19:39.000 Oh, the lizard's tail, the centipede.

01:19:43.000 Yeah.

01:19:44.000 No.

01:19:46.000 Of course, you know the toe.

01:19:47.000 The centipede, what else?

01:19:48.000 The jellyfish, I believe it's one.

01:19:50.000 And they have quite a few animals that...

01:19:55.000 Possess that...

01:19:56.000 Psychedelic chemicals?

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:58.000 Well, we're being fucked in this country because they keep that shit from us and they make it illegal. 1.00

01:20:02.000 And so many people have learned great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics, especially micro-dosing. 1.00

01:20:10.000 They learned how to stop us from drinking.

01:20:12.000 They gave us a rule to stop us from drinking by taking shrooms and LSD and stuff.

01:20:17.000 Yeah.

01:20:17.000 Stops people from smoking cigarettes.

01:20:19.000 I just think we abused them.

01:20:21.000 I think they've been using them since the beginning of time and we just People like us, we abuse them.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, but people abuse everything.

01:20:27.000 They abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol.

01:20:30.000 You should be able to take whatever you want as a grown man. 1.00

01:20:32.000 And the fact that this country keeps it from us and keeps it illegal, it's fucked up. 0.97

01:20:38.000 Because it could benefit so many people. 0.97

01:20:39.000 I think we would have a better society.

01:20:40.000 Well, it would benefit the people that they wanted to benefit.

01:20:42.000 The people who are hiding from us are the ones that are getting benefit.

01:20:45.000 I think the people that are hiding from us, they're protected pharmaceutical companies.

01:20:49.000 Well, listen, I don't know who they are, but I know they're somebody.

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of factors.

01:20:55.000 There's a lot of factors.

01:20:56.000 But for me personally, and for a lot of people that I know, they've gained great benefits from psychedelics.

01:21:04.000 What do you think about this world we live in?

01:21:06.000 What do you think about it?

01:21:07.000 How did it ever exist?

01:21:08.000 What is the origin of it?

01:21:10.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:21:12.000 Yeah, the world is a strange place and stranger right now because of COVID and because everyone's locked down, society's kind of fucked up. 0.99

01:21:19.000 I just think we as human beings, what we are, who we are, whatever we exist to be, we're fucking germs and we're the cause of everything that happens to us. 0.98

01:21:26.000 I just always think that people let out the virus. 0.99

01:21:29.000 We're viruses.

01:21:30.000 We're fungus.

01:21:31.000 That's what we are, fungus.

01:21:32.000 If we look at it from the perspective of consciousness, what do we do?

01:21:38.000 We get sick, we get other people sick, and we die.

01:21:41.000 Yeah.

01:21:42.000 Have you ever heard of Terence McKenna?

01:21:44.000 You know who Terence McKenna is?

01:21:45.000 No, tell me about Terence.

01:21:46.000 Terence McKenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist.

01:21:49.000 He was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics.

01:21:58.000 He thinks that we developed into human beings when lower hominids, like ancient man, was experimenting with mushrooms. 0.59

01:22:06.000 That could be interesting.

01:22:07.000 So I think, well, let me not think that.

01:22:09.000 Let me say, I saw documentaries.

01:22:14.000 And from the documentaries, it appears to be that the world was created off of drugs.

01:22:19.000 Someone's taking some drugs and they're preaching that belief to be divine intervention from God.

01:22:27.000 This is how the world was discovered.

01:22:29.000 Have you ever done some research in the history of drugs?

01:22:33.000 Yeah, I've definitely done some research in the history of drugs.

01:22:35.000 Oh, so I'm sure you understand.

01:22:38.000 Well, drugs and human beings, for sure, it accelerates creativity, right?

01:22:42.000 It gives people ideas.

01:22:43.000 But the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas.

01:22:46.000 One of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language, and that language could have come about From people making these connections from psilocybin.

01:22:56.000 It also makes people a little bit more creative.

01:22:59.000 It makes people horny.

01:23:00.000 It increases visual acuity.

01:23:02.000 Makes them compassionate.

01:23:03.000 Makes them compassionate.

01:23:04.000 Would bond them in terms of community.

01:23:08.000 And love.

01:23:08.000 They have the love component as well.

01:23:11.000 And if you think about it, for long periods of time, if that became a part of the human diet, it would make sense that that was one of the things that made people better.

01:23:18.000 No, it would make sense because the diet has always been abused.

01:23:19.000 Our diet is being abused now because that's why we have the obesity.

01:23:22.000 Sure, now, but...

01:23:23.000 And that's what happens with all these...

01:23:26.000 Extreme drugs and alternative drugs, we abuse them.

01:23:29.000 We take them too much.

01:23:30.000 We smoke too much weed.

01:23:32.000 We smoke too many cigarettes.

01:23:35.000 We do too much of everything. 1.00

01:23:37.000 Yeah, we do abuse shit. 1.00

01:23:38.000 Why do you think that is? 1.00

01:23:41.000 But don't you think that that same abuse, that's also what makes people great at things too?

01:23:48.000 Because that same, almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset, if channeled the right way, that allows someone to become obsessed with boxing.

01:24:01.000 What prevents them from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling?

01:24:11.000 The majority of the world is not even 50 years old.

01:24:16.000 So this is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years.

01:24:20.000 That's going to be until we get that.

01:24:21.000 That's going to have to be our main objective to develop that in order to succeed as human beings.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, no truer words have ever been said.

01:24:31.000 That's what it is.

01:24:32.000 It's emotional intelligence.

01:24:33.000 Because listen, our feelings are enslaved by our emotions and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings.

01:24:39.000 And sometimes we sort of placate those emotions by drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that can distract you.

01:24:50.000 And then we turn that...

01:24:52.000 And to memories.

01:24:54.000 And then we become a slave to our memories and it never stops.

01:24:57.000 Right.

01:24:58.000 That's who we are.

01:24:59.000 We are an alcoholic. 0.66

01:25:01.000 We are a gambling addict.

01:25:01.000 No, we allowed ourselves to become that.

01:25:03.000 Yes.

01:25:03.000 We could stop from coming that just like we learned Alcoholics Anonymous.

01:25:09.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 So we can learn from that.

01:25:11.000 So that's why they learned from that, so now it's not hopeless anymore.

01:25:14.000 Right.

01:25:14.000 That's why it's so hard for people, because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong, and they do it all the time, and that becomes who they think they are.

01:25:21.000 So they start changing the picture.

01:25:23.000 Right.

01:25:23.000 It's all about changing the channel, you know?

01:25:25.000 Right.

01:25:26.000 Change that channel in life.

01:25:27.000 Well, that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life.

01:25:30.000 You've just completely changed who you are.

01:25:33.000 You went from pot smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around with, doing hot boxing with Mike Tyson, fun to be with, everything's great, and all of a sudden, whoop, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, the murderer again.

01:25:48.000 Well, it's just that...

01:25:50.000 As I said earlier today, if we knew who we were, we'd be very limited.

01:25:57.000 We don't know who we are.

01:25:58.000 You don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up.

01:26:00.000 It's true.

01:26:01.000 Are you married?

01:26:02.000 Yeah.

01:26:03.000 Well, listen, you might get married again. 0.82

01:26:06.000 You might go crazy.

01:26:07.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.64

01:26:08.000 You might take out a new job.

01:26:09.000 You never know.

01:26:10.000 Well, that's one of the exciting things about life, right?

01:26:12.000 I mean, this has to be an exciting time for you to make this big switch.

01:26:16.000 Yeah, I think about that too.

01:26:18.000 I think about a lot like, you know, I'm 54 and that I'm not going to be here much longer.

01:26:24.000 And when I go, am I going to see my wife and kids again, the friends that I've loved all my life, am I going to see them again?

01:26:30.000 I start thinking about that.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:33.000 You know, when we think about it, this guy's book, what is it?

01:26:38.000 One Beat Away From Our Internal Journey.

01:26:41.000 Some guy sent me that book.

01:26:43.000 And I said, wow, this is pretty cool.

01:26:45.000 Because it's true.

01:26:46.000 We're only one heartbeat away from dying and going on that long ride of not knowing or feeling.

01:26:53.000 Because that's when I was on the told DMT, it's all about feeling.

01:26:57.000 The feel makes the reality.

01:27:00.000 How much did that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences?

01:27:05.000 It got me in shape.

01:27:06.000 It got me this.

01:27:07.000 This is what it had me do.

01:27:10.000 As soon as I did it, the first time I did it, it just blew my mind.

01:27:14.000 Then I did it again and said, hey, you better get in shape.

01:27:16.000 Let's get in shape.

01:27:17.000 Let's get in. 1.00

01:27:17.000 What the fuck's wrong with you? 1.00

01:27:22.000 Yeah, I'm listening and that's what I did. 1.00

01:27:25.000 I told you. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Hey, you're fucking up. 1.00

01:27:28.000 Especially when you think about it. 1.00

01:27:29.000 See, I'm not the guy you have to say, hey, Mike, man, you know, you gained a few pounds.

01:27:33.000 Let's kind of work it out, man.

01:27:34.000 You can do it. 1.00

01:27:35.000 Hey, you big, fat, dumb nigga. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Get your shit together. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Look at you, big, fat motherfucker. 1.00

01:27:39.000 You're a fat, lazy motherfucker. 1.00

01:27:41.000 That motivates me. 1.00

01:27:42.000 You need to hear that.

01:27:43.000 And you need to tell it to yourself.

01:27:45.000 Yeah, no, anybody, the right person needs to tell it to me, too. 1.00

01:27:48.000 Who the fuck's going to say that to you? 0.99

01:27:49.000 They do. 1.00

01:27:50.000 Hey, hey.

01:27:52.000 Hey, I listened.

01:27:54.000 I was somewhere around Freddie.

01:27:56.000 I went somewhere to do something.

01:27:59.000 Then I saw one of Freddie Roach's trainers, Irish guy, European guy, and he knew me for years because I used to work with him. 0.99

01:28:06.000 He said, what the fuck is wrong with you? 0.98

01:28:08.000 Look at you, man. 1.00

01:28:09.000 This is not fucking right. 1.00

01:28:11.000 Look at, oh, Mike, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:28:14.000 And wow. 1.00

01:28:15.000 Wow.

01:28:16.000 I felt this big.

01:28:17.000 And he sat around a bunch of people.

01:28:18.000 But he said, you know this is not right.

01:28:20.000 This is not right. 1.00

01:28:21.000 And I said, fuck. 1.00

01:28:23.000 He's right. 1.00

01:28:24.000 And I got right.

01:28:27.000 Yeah.

01:28:28.000 Some people would call that fat shaming.

01:28:30.000 But I think fat shaming works.

01:28:32.000 For me.

01:28:33.000 Works for me, too.

01:28:33.000 If I got fat, I would want somebody to yell at me.

01:28:35.000 If somebody's not yelling at me and I found out and he thought that I was a fat motherfucker and he wouldn't tell me I wouldn't be a friend of him. 0.99

01:28:41.000 I wouldn't be cool with him no more. 0.98

01:28:43.000 If he's not telling me, yo, Mike, man, this is not right, man.

01:28:46.000 At least let me know.

01:28:47.000 I might not want to do it, but let me know.

01:28:49.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 That I'm not looking good.

01:28:50.000 Shit ain't right. 0.99

01:28:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:52.000 You know, because the guy ain't going to tell you he's hanging around, let you stay eating and fucking hanging around, drinking. 0.97

01:28:57.000 That's the enemy, man. 0.98

01:28:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:59.000 That's the enemy.

01:29:01.000 So, you do the DMT trip, and then you have it in your head, like, hey, I gotta get in shape.

01:29:06.000 Absolutely.

01:29:07.000 Absolutely.

01:29:08.000 Like, sometimes you say, like, body shaming doesn't hurt people.

01:29:11.000 It hurts some people.

01:29:12.000 To me, it makes me, hey, man, let me, it helps me.

01:29:15.000 That's the kind, I'm that guy.

01:29:17.000 Yeah, the only way it hurts people is if you don't listen.

01:29:19.000 If someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out, then it hurts you.

01:29:24.000 But if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you say, I'm going to use this as a motivator to get back in shape, then it helps you.

01:29:30.000 Exactly.

01:29:31.000 Fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop being fat.

01:29:34.000 Yeah, I never looked at it as fat shaming.

01:29:36.000 That's what you said, like, who's going to say it to Mike?

01:29:39.000 Like, I don't respect that guy.

01:29:40.000 Yeah.

01:29:41.000 The guy that thinks like that, I'm not going to tell him, oh, that's my enemy.

01:29:45.000 Right, he's not helping you.

01:29:46.000 He's my enemy.

01:29:47.000 Right, right.

01:29:48.000 He's my enemy.

01:29:50.000 So the DMT trip opened your eyes to that.

01:29:53.000 Absolutely.

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 But that's not something you want to do while you're in camp.

01:29:58.000 You know, I did it 16 times.

01:30:01.000 17, 16 times, yeah.

01:30:03.000 Never regret doing it.

01:30:06.000 That would be good at doing it.

01:30:08.000 I think everybody should do it.

01:30:09.000 It's just...

01:30:11.000 Not everybody, but everybody who wants to.

01:30:13.000 It's not for everybody.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, it's not for everybody.

01:30:14.000 Not everybody who...

01:30:15.000 Everybody who needs it should do it.

01:30:17.000 I should say that.

01:30:17.000 Yeah, because some people believe this is all.

01:30:19.000 This is the real world out here.

01:30:21.000 Yeah.

01:30:21.000 They really believe this is the reality.

01:30:24.000 Isn't that interesting?

01:30:25.000 Like, once you do it, you realize that that world is somewhere vivid than this world.

01:30:29.000 And, um...

01:30:31.000 We're going to be in that world longer than we're going to be in this world. 1.00

01:30:33.000 LAUGHTER Let me hurry up and die and get this shit over with. 1.00

01:30:40.000 Yeah, that's probably true. 1.00

01:30:41.000 I don't know what it is, but it's probably true.

01:30:44.000 Listen, this is what happens.

01:30:45.000 You do this toe stuff or any of those interesting narcotics, you have a different opinion about dying and the fear of dying.

01:30:56.000 You start to think, hey, maybe I'm living too long.

01:31:00.000 You know? 1.00

01:31:01.000 Shit. 1.00

01:31:02.000 Well, maybe that's just another existence. 1.00

01:31:04.000 That's what made me think.

01:31:06.000 Maybe this is always there.

01:31:08.000 And maybe this life that we have, this temporary life that we're clinging on to that's so important to us.

01:31:13.000 Why is it even the guy that's age?

01:31:15.000 Why nobody wants to really stick on to the fact that after we die, it's over?

01:31:19.000 Why nobody wants to hold on to that?

01:31:21.000 Than saying, well, there's something more.

01:31:23.000 Than really being confident with saying, hey, there's something else after this.

01:31:27.000 Is that from scaring us from dying early or what?

01:31:31.000 Why do people stick with that?

01:31:32.000 Is that the softener I ride to their internal life of darkness or what?

01:31:37.000 It might be.

01:31:38.000 I mean, we don't know until we die, right?

01:31:40.000 Yeah.

01:31:41.000 But the people that think that it's just over, when you die, it's over.

01:31:46.000 The world goes darkness and then that's it.

01:31:49.000 That might be right.

01:31:51.000 Or it might be that you go to that place where you go when you smoke DMT. It might be that.

01:31:56.000 You don't remember when you were born, do you?

01:31:59.000 You're not going to remember when you died.

01:32:01.000 I think if we're born again, we're not going to remember the life we had. 1.00

01:32:04.000 We're not going to remember this shit. 1.00

01:32:06.000 I've always said everybody's scared to die, but no one's scared to sleep. 1.00

01:32:10.000 You know, some people are.

01:32:12.000 Some people are afraid to sleep.

01:32:15.000 They get their moments, but sometimes you say, wait, I might not wake up this morning.

01:32:19.000 You hear and you know people that just go to sleep having a nice time with you, didn't do any drugs, and they just don't wake up.

01:32:25.000 That's true, too.

01:32:27.000 But the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident you're going to come back, so you're willing to shut off.

01:32:32.000 It's okay.

01:32:32.000 But no one wants to shut off forever.

01:32:34.000 But listen, the belief that you're going to come back is magnificent.

01:32:38.000 Yeah.

01:32:38.000 The belief to know that we're gonna wake up in the morning.

01:32:40.000 Imagine we went into life like that.

01:32:42.000 Yeah.

01:32:43.000 With that belief.

01:32:44.000 Yeah.

01:32:45.000 And you think life is just temporary, and that when it's over, you're going to go to an even more magnificent place.

01:32:53.000 Well, we say life, what life?

01:32:55.000 Life is not over when we leave this place.

01:32:58.000 Right.

01:32:59.000 It's another form of life we haven't experienced yet.

01:33:01.000 Right.

01:33:02.000 Even if it's the black life where it's just all darkness, it's a part of life that we have to embrace in some kind of form or fashion. 0.87

01:33:09.000 Well, that's the weird thing about the toad, right, is that there's no visions.

01:33:12.000 But the feeling's so intense, you see, right?

01:33:15.000 The feeling's so intense, even makeup or whatever, you see it from...

01:33:19.000 That's why feeling is so important.

01:33:20.000 We just don't even understand the feelings, the eye.

01:33:24.000 We just don't understand they even lie to us.

01:33:26.000 Right.

01:33:27.000 Our eyes lie to us.

01:33:29.000 I remember the first thing I felt is so insignificant.

01:33:33.000 Like, you're just a part of everything.

01:33:35.000 You're part of the whole universe.

01:33:36.000 And instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe, when I did it, it just made me realize, like, no, you're part of this infinite thing.

01:33:43.000 And you're such a small part.

01:33:46.000 Everyone is such a small part.

01:33:48.000 The universe itself is what's big, and you're just a piece of it.

01:33:52.000 We're all just feeding each other.

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:54.000 We're all just feeding each other.

01:33:55.000 Our bloods are just running through each other, feeding through the holes, the dirt, the mud, everything, the water, the ocean, the air.

01:34:01.000 We're just all feeding each other.

01:34:03.000 Yeah.

01:34:03.000 The bugs.

01:34:04.000 There's more, listen, there's more stars in the space than there are grains of sand in the desert.

01:34:11.000 Can you imagine that? 0.90

01:34:12.000 It's ridiculous. 0.81

01:34:15.000 What do you think about aliens, Mike? 0.98

01:34:17.000 I think we're aliens.

01:34:18.000 You think so?

01:34:19.000 I think we're descendants of aliens.

01:34:20.000 Yeah?

01:34:21.000 Yeah, that's the only thing I can come up with.

01:34:23.000 If you can't explain, if you can only tell me about Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with the aliens.

01:34:28.000 Hmm.

01:34:29.000 If that's what you hit me with, Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with these alien guys.

01:34:35.000 Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of aliens, that aliens came down and did some experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people.

01:34:48.000 Well, listen, aliens...

01:34:51.000 Listen, when certain tribes of people...

01:34:55.000 I'm not saying Caucasians when they came to Africa.

01:34:59.000 Even before that, when people came to other people, the first time they'd seen them, they were aliens.

01:35:03.000 The first time...

01:35:05.000 An Asian man saw a Caucasian man that was an alien.

01:35:08.000 A black man saw an Asian man and a white man that was an alien.

01:35:13.000 Maybe they weren't aliens, but that's what they thought they were.

01:35:16.000 They were just a tribe of people that encountered them, and perhaps they were getting extinct, they were dying, and they had to breathe through the lower, whatever you were saying.

01:35:26.000 Lower hominage.

01:35:27.000 Lower hominage.

01:35:28.000 And maybe this is us.

01:35:30.000 Because they had certain, as you may know, because I know you do these kind of researches, They already discovered there were different forms of species that's working down to us, that came from us, and now we're at the degree of, I guess, we're the human species of our era.

01:35:46.000 Yeah, there was a bunch of different kinds of humans.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, there was many, many different kinds of humans.

01:35:51.000 And before, they were here millions of years before, millions of years before, After we were erectus, after we walked, they always been here.

01:36:03.000 It's very rare that you can find a human life that wasn't erectus.

01:36:10.000 They can find a skeleton of one that walked in all fours.

01:36:13.000 The oldest person they found is 4.4 million years old.

01:36:19.000 Lucy, I believe it is.

01:36:21.000 4.4 million years old is nothing.

01:36:25.000 There's nothing in terms of the universe, right?

01:36:26.000 People were erected then.

01:36:28.000 People were walking on both feet then.

01:36:30.000 Yeah.

01:36:30.000 You know, for years, four million years ago.

01:36:34.000 So they never found...

01:36:36.000 I don't believe they ever found the...

01:36:38.000 Skeleton of a human that wasn't erectus.

01:36:42.000 That's one of the things about life is that life is so short.

01:36:46.000 Oh, a twinkle of an eye.

01:36:49.000 If everything goes well, you live a hundred years, but that is nothing in terms of the life of the planet.

01:36:54.000 You know how long it took them to build the Great Wall of China?

01:36:57.000 Thousands of years.

01:36:58.000 Two thousand years.

01:37:00.000 Two thousand years.

01:37:03.000 Can you imagine that?

01:37:04.000 And that's nothing.

01:37:06.000 2,000 years is less than what Christ has been around.

01:37:10.000 Christ is young.

01:37:11.000 You know how young Christ is?

01:37:13.000 You know how young he is?

01:37:14.000 In terms of the world, yeah.

01:37:17.000 Yeah.

01:37:18.000 That's how bad they wanted to keep the Mongols out. 1.00

01:37:21.000 They built a fucking wall. 1.00

01:37:22.000 It took them thousands of years. 1.00

01:37:23.000 You ever read about Genghis Khan?

01:37:25.000 Listen, um...

01:37:27.000 His real name is Timogen.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:29.000 And he, um...

01:37:31.000 Let me tell you, what happened?

01:37:32.000 He's like 13, when he died, around 13, what, 14?

01:37:37.000 His real reign was like in the 12s and the early 1300s.

01:37:41.000 And first of all, he came from, he's real poor.

01:37:45.000 His mother, his father, they all came, they got beat up, they took out. 0.81

01:37:48.000 He had a woman, then they took his wife, but he got friendly with a real bad mother, a real, he was a criminal, but he was the baddest, oh, he was so bad.

01:37:57.000 And he loved Timogen.

01:37:59.000 He just became, you know how some guy, you see a guy and they just hit off.

01:38:02.000 One guy was, he was really weak at the time.

01:38:04.000 And this other gang had took his wife.

01:38:08.000 And this guy was making a lot of my raid and stuff, and he was just sad.

01:38:12.000 I said, what is wrong?

01:38:12.000 Because the guy really loved him.

01:38:14.000 He said, what is wrong?

01:38:15.000 He said, these people took my wife, and he said, don't worry, I got many a wife.

01:38:18.000 What are you worrying about that one wife? 1.00

01:38:20.000 But I really loved her, because he really loved her.

01:38:22.000 And so the guy said, listen, I'm going to help you get your wife back, but you don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman, okay? 0.78

01:38:30.000 And so he went back, and the guy got his wife back.

01:38:32.000 And so the guy allowed...

01:38:35.000 Timogen to be number two because he loved him so much.

01:38:38.000 But he got jealous because the men started favoring Genghis because Genghis would let them raid everything and said, keep it all.

01:38:45.000 He wouldn't take nothing.

01:38:46.000 Keep it all.

01:38:46.000 Let the men have it all.

01:38:48.000 And they all started looking up to him and following him.

01:38:51.000 And then the other guy got jealous. 0.89

01:38:52.000 And eventually Genghis had to kill him. 0.99

01:38:55.000 But he said he wanted Genghis didn't want to do it, but he said, you have to kill me. 0.95

01:38:59.000 And so Genghis killed him, but he said, you're not going to spill any blood, so he crushed him in the rocks. 0.83

01:39:05.000 No blood, no cuts or nothing like that.

01:39:08.000 But that was his best friend, and after he died, that's how Genghis had the reputation.

01:39:13.000 So you followed him?

01:39:14.000 You paid attention to him? 1.00

01:39:15.000 You read a bunch of shit about him? 1.00

01:39:17.000 Yeah, and I named my dog after his favorite wife, Paley. 1.00

01:39:20.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:39:25.000 So I know you've been into that kind of shit, like Alexander the Great and all the different conquerors. 1.00

01:39:32.000 Pippin, Chalamet, Clovis. 0.99

01:39:36.000 Now is this stuff that you just studied because you wanted to study conquerors?

01:39:40.000 Did it just interest you?

01:39:44.000 I wanted to study that mindset.

01:39:49.000 You know, and I found that the greatest conquerors that ever lived...

01:39:57.000 We're farmers.

01:39:59.000 You know, farmers, sheep herders.

01:40:02.000 Somebody that we don't think that's important and stuff.

01:40:05.000 And then, as they became great through that, they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness, like Alexander the Great and stuff.

01:40:13.000 Like Philip the Macedonian, that whole bloodline of Alexander, they were all kings, but they were all very small and insignificant. 0.99

01:40:21.000 It was one Alexander before him that was... 0.99

01:40:24.000 Pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost and they pretty much kissed the Persians' ass. 0.99

01:40:30.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:40:30.000 The Persians put them in the position of power until Philip of Macedonia came, who had the nickname AKA Philip the Barbarian. 0.99

01:40:39.000 And he wanted to go across and enslave all the Persians and everybody after that, the world. 1.00

01:40:45.000 And Alexander the Great, mother, who was a really interesting woman, I'm trying to say Albanian, maybe?

01:40:56.000 And they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then, so he got caught up in that.

01:41:03.000 His family didn't like her for that, but she arranged for... 0.99

01:41:07.000 She arranged for Alexander's father, I think, to be killed, for Alexander could have the power, and her kids had the power she could lead to her kids while he was on campaigns, right?

01:41:19.000 And...

01:41:21.000 When he was on these campaigns, now that his father was gone, he just conquered everything.

01:41:26.000 But when he ran into the Afghani people, he fell in love with them.

01:41:30.000 He wanted to interbreed with them.

01:41:32.000 He wanted to create a new race of Afghani.

01:41:34.000 He just madly fell in love with them.

01:41:35.000 And that's pretty much why his family is.

01:41:39.000 Not family, but the Greeks. 0.60

01:41:42.000 They went mountainy on him because they were jealous that they were giving big positions to the Persians.

01:41:49.000 No, Afghanistan. 0.95

01:41:50.000 He loved them.

01:41:51.000 He even quote, Afghanistan is the most beautiful people in the world.

01:41:53.000 God must have loved them more than anybody.

01:41:56.000 He made them beautiful.

01:41:57.000 He really fell in love with them.

01:41:58.000 When did you start getting really into like conquerors?

01:42:01.000 When did you start really?

01:42:02.000 When you were 15. When you were 15?

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 What introduced you to it?

01:42:05.000 I was at the table eating with Cuss and a friend of mine named Craig Walsh said a statement, which he was wrong, but it sounds really good to make me investigate. 0.98

01:42:13.000 He said Alexander the Great at his time was like 6'5", so at 6'5", 300 years before Christ, that was a giant, which was wrong.

01:42:21.000 He was very small.

01:42:22.000 The armor was too big for him.

01:42:24.000 He was a really small guy.

01:42:26.000 He wasn't big at all.

01:42:28.000 And so, just that alone, him saying that got you interested?

01:42:32.000 Yeah, I wanted him. 0.96

01:42:32.000 I'll tell you, he was a monster. 0.96

01:42:33.000 He was a massive guy, but I found that he's just a small man, average guy.

01:42:37.000 You know, he's not a monster at all.

01:42:39.000 Not a big man at all.

01:42:41.000 But you got interested in the mindset of the Conquerors?

01:42:45.000 Yeah.

01:42:45.000 Well, listen, this is what I want to know.

01:42:50.000 Why would one person think that he could fucking own the whole world? 0.99

01:42:54.000 One person. 0.99

01:42:55.000 Why would he have that mind?

01:42:56.000 Who would think like that? 1.00

01:42:59.000 That's not a fucking person. 1.00

01:43:01.000 That's just something when your ego just got so out of whack, where you just can't think rational. 1.00

01:43:08.000 How do you think like that?

01:43:10.000 And you're a nice person.

01:43:12.000 It was a guy before him, a couple of hundred years before him, named Cyrus the Great.

01:43:16.000 He was a conqueror, but he was a conqueror for liberty.

01:43:20.000 He wanted to conquer all the slaves and let them go.

01:43:23.000 Conquer all the slave masters, let them go.

01:43:25.000 He got killed for that too, but that sounds cool too, right? 0.97

01:43:30.000 That's a good thing.

01:43:31.000 But listen, think about it. 0.98

01:43:33.000 Who the fuck is here to take somebody else's property, take somebody else's stuff because he believes it's wrong, which it probably is wrong. 0.99

01:43:39.000 I think it's wrong, but who the fuck is he? 0.99

01:43:41.000 Right. 0.99

01:43:41.000 Who is this guy to conquer you? 0.99

01:43:44.000 You don't bother nobody, but this is what they did back then. 0.95

01:43:46.000 Now you're killing everybody.

01:43:48.000 Back then, it was really legal. 0.95

01:43:49.000 It's almost in the Bible.

01:43:50.000 It's in the books.

01:43:52.000 It's in books.

01:43:53.000 Slavery.

01:43:54.000 It's in the books.

01:43:54.000 It's in the religious books that we need slaves.

01:43:57.000 And this guy's going to say, hey, no more slaves.

01:44:01.000 He's 500 B.C., so he's going to say, no more slaves.

01:44:04.000 No more.

01:44:05.000 Slavery is wrong through the whole world.

01:44:08.000 So he wants to conquer the world and free all the slaves.

01:44:10.000 Wow.

01:44:11.000 So that's just a different mindset.

01:44:13.000 Yeah, they're different kinds of mindsets that these conquerors have.

01:44:16.000 It's not universal.

01:44:17.000 But who do you think he is? 0.81

01:44:18.000 Who the hell is he?

01:44:20.000 He has his little town over here. 0.93

01:44:21.000 How are you going to go over the whole world?

01:44:23.000 His town is right here.

01:44:24.000 Well, forget his town.

01:44:25.000 His country is right here.

01:44:27.000 Yeah.

01:44:28.000 You know?

01:44:29.000 And he didn't even conquer this country, and now he's going to conquer the world and liberate freedom, make freedom.

01:44:35.000 What kind of guy?

01:44:36.000 Now, listen, if that's not somebody on drugs, you tell me.

01:44:40.000 No, you tell me.

01:44:41.000 Now, be honest.

01:44:41.000 If that's not somebody high, you tell me.

01:44:43.000 It could be coke.

01:44:44.000 No, it's something.

01:44:47.000 It's something.

01:44:47.000 I'm going to free everybody.

01:44:49.000 At 500 B.C., slavery is what it is.

01:44:53.000 This is the way of the world.

01:44:54.000 No, I'm going to free all the slaves.

01:44:57.000 That's pretty crazy.

01:44:58.000 Everybody!

01:45:00.000 What did you get out of reading about their mindset?

01:45:03.000 Studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great, what did you get out of reading about their mindsets?

01:45:15.000 I found out that the greatest ones, the best, the most politic ones, were all mama's boys.

01:45:25.000 Really?

01:45:26.000 Yeah, afraid of their mother.

01:45:28.000 Wow.

01:45:29.000 Napoleon, Alexander.

01:45:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:33.000 Wow.

01:45:36.000 Genghis Khan too?

01:45:37.000 Yeah.

01:45:38.000 Really?

01:45:39.000 Yeah.

01:45:40.000 What do you think that is?

01:45:41.000 What do you think that's all about?

01:45:43.000 I highly respect their mother.

01:45:44.000 I think their mothers were the first, especially Alexander the Great.

01:45:48.000 I think she was the first stage mother.

01:45:50.000 I think there were some before her, too.

01:45:53.000 You know?

01:45:56.000 Cleopatra, that's just what they were. 0.93

01:45:59.000 They wanted to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that.

01:46:03.000 Oh, okay.

01:46:06.000 Like that parent that takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up.

01:46:12.000 No, no, no.

01:46:14.000 It's the parent who...

01:46:17.000 Whose child's word is law, and I want to be able to have that word.

01:46:23.000 Do you get that?

01:46:25.000 My son is the king of this country, a couple of countries, but I want my thought to come out of his mouth.

01:46:33.000 Do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special that they should run the world?

01:46:39.000 Some of them do, but as some kids get older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, they get older and then they realize these people weren't right to me and they start killing his sponsors or the people that were ribbing step-parents and stuff.

01:46:51.000 Some of the kings did it too.

01:46:53.000 So when you were studying this, when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors, you were trying to understand their mindsets.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 And you were trying to apply that to your own life?

01:47:05.000 Pretty much, yeah.

01:47:06.000 Did you get anything out of it?

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 Yeah?

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 What did you get?

01:47:11.000 Like, how did it apply to your own life?

01:47:13.000 Well, at the end of the day, they all ask God for forgiveness.

01:47:17.000 All of them.

01:47:22.000 So when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors, when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion, and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors, and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness, how did that affect you?

01:47:37.000 That was pretty cool.

01:47:39.000 Because by that, I learned greatness was the willingness to die.

01:47:45.000 By, you know, doing research on these particular individuals.

01:47:49.000 And that's what they were willing to do for greatness.

01:47:55.000 You know, you heard about Achilles and stuff.

01:47:58.000 What did he want?

01:47:59.000 A short life of greatness and a long life of obscurity.

01:48:06.000 So he took the short life.

01:48:07.000 And that's what Alexander did.

01:48:11.000 When you study these people and you take that conqueror's mindset, did you get anything out of that?

01:48:20.000 Did you apply that into your own pursuit as a champion?

01:48:25.000 Absolutely, because you have to...

01:48:27.000 Listen, Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered the known world in 10 years.

01:48:37.000 And so thinking about that as a young man.

01:48:40.000 Absolutely.

01:48:41.000 I want my preeminence to vibe with the times that, you know, in the sands of time.

01:48:47.000 It's not rain with it.

01:48:48.000 I think everybody should want that, that are competitive in the art of, what do you say, immortality.

01:48:57.000 Yeah.

01:48:58.000 And I searched for it.

01:48:59.000 That's what he wanted.

01:49:00.000 He wanted immortality.

01:49:02.000 That's what he wanted.

01:49:03.000 He wanted to be known since, you know, till the end of time.

01:49:06.000 Did you ever think that maybe you were born in the wrong time?

01:49:09.000 That maybe if you were born in the times of Alexander the Great, you would also be a conqueror?

01:49:13.000 No.

01:49:14.000 I am a conqueror now because I've conquered myself and my demons.

01:49:19.000 You know, not because I'm at that time.

01:49:21.000 I'm never born until I'm born in the right time.

01:49:23.000 Most of them couldn't conquer their demons.

01:49:27.000 That's why they asked for forgiveness from God, all of them.

01:49:30.000 Because just like the gentleman that discovered Alcohol Anonymous, you know, he inspired.

01:49:44.000 Maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end, but how many people have he inspired?

01:49:49.000 That is so much bigger than him succeeding or not with his problem.

01:49:53.000 You know what's interesting about him is he was interested in LSD. Bill Wilson, yeah.

01:49:59.000 Yeah, that was a big thing of his.

01:50:01.000 That's what instructed him to have the program, to develop the program.

01:50:05.000 Yeah.

01:50:06.000 When you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's so interesting to me that you turned to cannabis and cannabis allowed you to forgive yourself.

01:50:17.000 Yeah, listen, the reason why they ask for forgiveness for God, this is why, this is interesting that you said that, it's because they believe they were God.

01:50:25.000 And they have had to, at the end of the day, realize and check themselves.

01:50:29.000 But they're not.

01:50:30.000 Yeah.

01:50:30.000 They're not God.

01:50:31.000 And they've done horrific things.

01:50:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:34.000 At the end of his life, he was so forgiving and giving everything away and so sorry for everybody.

01:50:39.000 He didn't know how to forgive himself either.

01:50:41.000 He didn't know how...

01:50:42.000 How do you do that when you think you go?

01:50:44.000 How do you forgive yourself?

01:50:45.000 So at the end of the day, he said, look, the man who conquered the world...

01:50:48.000 Died with nothing in his hands.

01:50:49.000 He gave everything away, had no swords or nothing.

01:50:52.000 He was so freaked out about dying, being the rich guy and stuff, and having so much property and having the world like he possessed.

01:50:59.000 Because he had the world.

01:51:01.000 It's this gentleman that he...

01:51:02.000 Well, Eugenius?

01:51:04.000 The guy that they named Sloth after.

01:51:07.000 The animal sloth?

01:51:09.000 Eugenius.

01:51:09.000 I don't know.

01:51:10.000 But he was like, he's considered a homeless bum nowadays.

01:51:14.000 Today he would be called a bum, a homeless guy, whatever.

01:51:17.000 And Alexander had been watching him.

01:51:19.000 This is how keen he is.

01:51:20.000 He's watched this guy for years.

01:51:23.000 And he said, listen, before he became king of Greece, he's watched this guy.

01:51:28.000 This is when he was the king of Greece.

01:51:29.000 And he said, hey, listen, I watch you and I have everything.

01:51:34.000 And I'm unhappy and you don't have nothing, so what can I do to make you happy?

01:51:38.000 You know what he said? 0.97

01:51:39.000 You know what he had the balls to say? 0.97

01:51:41.000 He said, first of all, you can be kind enough to move out the way of the sun and then allow me to enjoy my day. 0.97

01:51:49.000 And he couldn't conceive of somebody to turn him down for riches and stuff.

01:51:53.000 He couldn't conceive of it.

01:51:54.000 It just blew his mind.

01:51:55.000 He was so blown away, he couldn't even kill the guy for disrespecting him.

01:51:59.000 He was just blown away.

01:52:00.000 He said, I have everything.

01:52:02.000 And he realized that he wasn't happy.

01:52:04.000 He had it all.

01:52:05.000 He's the king of Greece.

01:52:06.000 He didn't even know where he was getting ready to go.

01:52:08.000 He didn't ready to be king of the world, but he's the king of Greece and he's just not happy.

01:52:12.000 And he has everything.

01:52:13.000 So he thinks by conquering the world it's going to make him happy.

01:52:16.000 And he did.

01:52:17.000 And what happened?

01:52:19.000 He turned into a drug.

01:52:21.000 Wow.

01:52:23.000 Imagine that?

01:52:24.000 It's crazy.

01:52:25.000 That's why he experienced a new drug.

01:52:27.000 Listen, when you went on a campaign, you know what I thought?

01:52:30.000 I thought when you went on a campaign, the movies lie.

01:52:34.000 They say you go on a campaign, it's just about 300 gladiators or what, 10,000 soldiers.

01:52:39.000 No, they bring their whole family with them.

01:52:41.000 It's like a party.

01:52:43.000 Their wives, their kids, everything.

01:52:45.000 They got the...

01:52:47.000 Surveyors are with them.

01:52:50.000 Housebuilders are with them.

01:52:51.000 The people who deal with agriculture for that time.

01:52:55.000 Everything is with them.

01:52:56.000 Wine, even before they can test everything when they conquer.

01:52:58.000 Conquering.

01:52:59.000 You know what conquering is?

01:53:00.000 We think that's glorious.

01:53:02.000 Conquering is glorious.

01:53:03.000 Know why it is?

01:53:05.000 Conquering, robbing, raping, illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them.

01:53:11.000 That's conquering.

01:53:13.000 That's not good people.

01:53:15.000 All the people we like, we say, these guys, this guy, he conquered this, he conquered that.

01:53:19.000 They hurt people.

01:53:20.000 They did it for greed.

01:53:22.000 They didn't do it for, we're going to help our people.

01:53:24.000 They did it to take things because they could.

01:53:27.000 Now, when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors, you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights.

01:53:38.000 You studied all the old school champions.

01:53:42.000 Are you doing that now in this resurgence?

01:53:45.000 Are you studying films?

01:53:46.000 No, but I think I know everything about them already.

01:53:49.000 I did the research when I was a kid, so I started going to the other level.

01:53:55.000 So I go from the level of these guys that are fighters, the gladiators, all those guys, so I go from them to the generals, and from the generals to the guards.

01:54:07.000 But that occupied a lot of your time when you were training, right?

01:54:11.000 Absolutely.

01:54:11.000 But what are you doing now?

01:54:14.000 Is there anything that's similar?

01:54:16.000 When you were watching those old school tapes, if you were watching Jack Dempsey or Harry Greb or any of these old school fighters, there was something about that that was providing you the inspiration.

01:54:28.000 You were learning from it, but it was also you were getting yourself into this mindset.

01:54:32.000 Yeah, because I know if I was like these, the customers tell you, the more you win, the more you beat these guys, the more the people applaud, the more you enjoy doing it.

01:54:43.000 And I wanted the people to have the same feeling towards me that I had towards the older fighters of yesterday.

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:57.000 I was madly in love with fighters.

01:55:00.000 And if I met a fighter...

01:55:02.000 Hard, they were just, hey, who's this kid?

01:55:04.000 Get this kid out of there.

01:55:05.000 We just bug him to death.

01:55:06.000 Want me to carry a bag?

01:55:07.000 Can I help you with this?

01:55:08.000 Can I do this?

01:55:09.000 You know, you'd think they were going to like you for being a woman. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Hey, get this fucking kid away. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Get help. 1.00

01:55:15.000 Yeah, I'm too extreme.

01:55:18.000 Carry a bag.

01:55:19.000 Can I help you with this?

01:55:19.000 Can I do this?

01:55:21.000 But you don't study films like that anymore?

01:55:26.000 Periodically.

01:55:27.000 But you know what I do?

01:55:28.000 Sometimes, because they have YouTube, I look at YouTube and they have a fight, Lomachenko.

01:55:32.000 I say, let me check him out.

01:55:33.000 Let me check him out.

01:55:34.000 Also, I may see some Ray Robbins and some Willie Pep stuff.

01:55:36.000 They have one there.

01:55:37.000 Let me check this out.

01:55:39.000 Lomachenko's a wild guy to watch, isn't he?

01:55:41.000 He's really...

01:55:43.000 He's really nice to watch.

01:55:45.000 Interesting, right?

01:55:46.000 Yeah, I like watching him.

01:55:47.000 The footwork is so extraordinary.

01:55:49.000 I like doing that.

01:55:50.000 I like watching him.

01:55:50.000 A lot of people hate on him, but that's how it is.

01:55:53.000 He got the light.

01:55:54.000 When people got the light, they go after you.

01:55:57.000 Who else gets you excited that's fighting today?

01:55:59.000 They got a couple of guys.

01:56:00.000 Haney's good.

01:56:01.000 The guy from Baltimore's good.

01:56:05.000 There's quite a few.

01:56:06.000 And they have a couple of guys...

01:56:09.000 That's under them that's pretty good.

01:56:11.000 That's going to come up and be really good with them.

01:56:13.000 Errol Spencer's really good.

01:56:15.000 Terrence Crawford.

01:56:16.000 Terrence Crawford is good.

01:56:17.000 There's a bunch of good fighters out there. 0.99

01:56:19.000 That little guy, Ryan Garcia, he's a little hot shit, right? 1.00

01:56:23.000 Yeah, he's a hot shit. 1.00

01:56:24.000 He's got a crazy left hook. 1.00

01:56:25.000 He's talking shit. 1.00

01:56:26.000 I love it. 1.00

01:56:27.000 He's like a kid. 1.00

01:56:27.000 That baby's like talking shit. 1.00

01:56:29.000 He's so cute. 1.00

01:56:30.000 He's a handsome guy. 1.00

01:56:31.000 He's a little baby talking shit. 1.00

01:56:32.000 He's got a nasty left hook, though. 1.00

01:56:33.000 Woo! 0.99

01:56:49.000 What do you think of the heavyweight division nowadays?

01:56:52.000 Alright, Joshua, everybody's good for their time.

01:56:57.000 I don't think they're bums or anything like that.

01:56:59.000 Everybody wants to have something negative to say about somebody.

01:57:03.000 This is their time.

01:57:05.000 They're the best of their time.

01:57:06.000 You've got to give them that credit.

01:57:07.000 You can't compete with guys of the past or guys that are coming up now.

01:57:11.000 This is just their time.

01:57:12.000 This is what it is right now.

01:57:14.000 Yeah, this is what it is right now.

01:57:15.000 We're going to judge it from right here.

01:57:18.000 What do you think about it?

01:57:20.000 It's an interesting group at the very top of the heap, right?

01:57:22.000 Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua.

01:57:25.000 It's an interesting group at the top level right now.

01:57:30.000 No, it's not interesting.

01:57:31.000 They're all exciting fighters.

01:57:33.000 Yeah.

01:57:33.000 They're all going to make a great deal of money if they just need to fight each other.

01:57:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:57:37.000 Just stop bullshitting. 0.98

01:57:38.000 Just all fight each other. 0.84

01:57:39.000 Fight each other a couple of times.

01:57:41.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 And then when this stuff is over, your guys can say, hey, listen, we did it our way.

01:57:46.000 Right.

01:57:46.000 You know, this is what happened to me.

01:57:51.000 I'm such an egomaniac.

01:57:54.000 I fell in love.

01:57:54.000 This is going to last forever.

01:57:56.000 I'm the king forever.

01:57:56.000 I'm always going to be the king.

01:57:57.000 This is the way it is. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:57:59.000 I never think about tomorrow or nothing. 1.00

01:58:01.000 This is now.

01:58:02.000 I'm the king. 1.00

01:58:03.000 Just kiss my fucking ring. 1.00

01:58:04.000 This and that. 1.00

01:58:08.000 And the fact that I never listen to this work, I didn't listen to Cuss.

01:58:12.000 Cuss said, hey. 0.51

01:58:14.000 It's always real.

01:58:15.000 Don't take this personal.

01:58:16.000 I took fighting personal.

01:58:18.000 Because they don't take it personal.

01:58:19.000 It's not personal.

01:58:21.000 I took it personal.

01:58:22.000 The ego make me take it personal.

01:58:24.000 So when he said, don't take it personal, what did he mean by that?

01:58:28.000 Don't allow it to stop you from living your life in a happy perspective.

01:58:32.000 I lost a fight.

01:58:33.000 Don't commit suicide.

01:58:34.000 Start drinking it, doing cocaine. 1.00

01:58:36.000 Start fucking girls without rubbers that you don't know. 1.00

01:58:39.000 You met them 10 minutes ago. 1.00

01:58:43.000 Don't do these things when you lose a fight, Mike, okay?

01:58:46.000 Don't do these things.

01:58:47.000 You lose a fight, you shake the guy's hand, you go to the gym, you work harder, prepare for the fight, you win the fight, you don't win the fight, you prepare harder, wait for the next fight, you win the fight, you don't get to fight, fight some other guys, you win the fight, then fight them again.

01:59:00.000 The name of the game is that you stay busy, you keep working.

01:59:04.000 How much different would things have been if Kost stayed alive?

01:59:06.000 Yes, really different.

01:59:08.000 But it wasn't meant for that to be.

01:59:09.000 Yeah.

01:59:10.000 I had to figure this stuff out.

01:59:12.000 He couldn't protect me my whole life.

01:59:13.000 Right.

01:59:15.000 You know?

01:59:16.000 Yeah, I've always wondered.

01:59:17.000 I've always wondered what would have been different if he had stayed alive.

01:59:19.000 Because, I mean, he had guided you in such an amazing way.

01:59:23.000 You know, and you...

01:59:25.000 Cuss was just, listen, Cuss was just a hard guy to get along with.

01:59:30.000 Cus was just enemy prone. 0.80

01:59:33.000 If he didn't have an enemy, he would create one.

01:59:36.000 Really?

01:59:36.000 One of those guys.

01:59:37.000 He loved fighting.

01:59:38.000 He wants to fight.

01:59:40.000 If he doesn't fight, he doesn't want to live.

01:59:42.000 Wow.

01:59:43.000 He wants to fight.

01:59:44.000 He needs to have somebody to fight.

01:59:45.000 If he doesn't have somebody to fight, he'll find somebody to fight.

01:59:48.000 He must have loved having you as a pupil.

01:59:51.000 But I listened to everything he said.

01:59:54.000 I listened to him.

01:59:54.000 I was around him.

01:59:55.000 He loved people to listen to him.

01:59:57.000 I took him and said everything he said I would do. 1.00

01:59:59.000 If he told me to kill somebody, I would kill somebody. 1.00

02:00:02.000 You know? 1.00

02:00:03.000 Anything he said, I did it.

02:00:06.000 Do you think about him even today while you're training?

02:00:09.000 Absolutely.

02:00:10.000 I think about them all the time.

02:00:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:00:13.000 I think about them all the time.

02:00:14.000 I wish he could have saw my kids.

02:00:16.000 I wish he could have probably seen, you know, what I did, how I did, and how my kids turned out, and how they all went to great schools, and they did cool things, and they're just kids, and they're really...

02:00:26.000 They're just really sweet kids that really don't understand life yet, and maybe because they didn't have a father like I had, things are different than it was for me.

02:00:39.000 You don't want your kids fighting.

02:00:42.000 No.

02:00:43.000 I did that.

02:00:44.000 That's why I did it.

02:00:45.000 They didn't have to.

02:00:46.000 I remember you were talking about your son hitting pads and him possibly fighting.

02:00:52.000 You don't want to fight an animal like me.

02:00:54.000 People don't have nothing to lose.

02:00:56.000 Their whole dream was if I beat this guy.

02:01:00.000 I'll get that new bike.

02:01:01.000 I might get this car.

02:01:03.000 That's how it was.

02:01:03.000 Because I said, if you win this tournament, I'm going to get you this.

02:01:06.000 If you win this tournament, I'll get you your gold teeth.

02:01:08.000 I was trying to save my money up for my gold teeth.

02:01:10.000 And if I win this tournament, he said, you win this tournament, I'll get you gold teeth.

02:01:17.000 Everything, everything, he always, um...

02:01:19.000 Dangle the carrot. 0.98

02:01:20.000 Yeah.

02:01:20.000 You win this tournament, I do this.

02:01:22.000 But if I didn't win the tournament, I didn't get the shit. 0.98

02:01:24.000 You know, I thought he was gonna flip the side, I give it to you anyway. 0.99

02:01:27.000 Nah, I don't get it.

02:01:27.000 Nah.

02:01:28.000 I don't get it.

02:01:29.000 Well, listen, Mike, I'm very excited about your comeback.

02:01:32.000 I am as well.

02:01:33.000 I'm very happy that you're doing it.

02:01:34.000 I'm happy you look fantastic.

02:01:35.000 It was real cool to be able to sit down and talk to you about it, and I'm 100% enthusiastic about it.

02:01:41.000 Listen, so I look forward to seeing you there, because I'm sure some people will be there, and we're excited about it.

02:01:45.000 I would try to be there live.

02:01:47.000 I would love to be there live, if it's possible, if I could be there. 1.00

02:01:50.000 I'm just going to love this shit. 0.99

02:01:51.000 I'm excited. 1.00

02:01:52.000 I'm excited.

02:01:53.000 I'm excited looking at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are, and I wish you nothing but the best, brother.

02:01:58.000 Thank you.

02:01:58.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:01:59.000 Same with you, man.

02:02:00.000 You had so much success in doing your little podcast here, man.

02:02:03.000 Thanks, brother. 0.99

02:02:04.000 Shit. 1.00

02:02:05.000 Who would you want to interview? 1.00

02:02:09.000 I don't have anybody in my head that I need to interview.

02:02:12.000 You wouldn't want to do Bill Clinton and none of those guys?

02:02:15.000 I'd like to do Bill Clinton.

02:02:16.000 I'd like to get high with Bill Clinton. 1.00

02:02:17.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:02:18.000 You know, he has a brother named Roger. 1.00

02:02:19.000 He's just such an awesome guy.

02:02:21.000 Yeah?

02:02:22.000 Yeah, I saw Roger before at my friend's house, and Roger's just a beautiful person.

02:02:27.000 Yeah, but I don't need to.

02:02:29.000 You know, I would.

02:02:30.000 If he wanted to do it, I would do it, but I don't need to.

02:02:32.000 I like talking to everybody, man.

02:02:33.000 I like talking to my friends.

02:02:35.000 I like talking to you.

02:02:36.000 I like talking to anybody.

02:02:37.000 You know what I did a couple of times?

02:02:39.000 I talked to some homeless people, and they're very interesting.

02:02:42.000 Sometimes I think I'm going to overwhelm them intellectually, and I get humbled sometimes.

02:02:49.000 Well, a lot of homeless people are really smart. 1.00

02:02:51.000 They just fucked up. 1.00

02:02:52.000 Whatever part of her head that couldn't keep it together. 1.00

02:02:56.000 That's what I mean. 0.99

02:02:57.000 I think I know this guy's out and dirty and teeth fell out and this guy started enlightening me and shit and then he has to tell me to leave because I'm stuck there. 0.98

02:03:08.000 Tell me, get out of here. 0.99

02:03:09.000 Are you enjoying doing hot boxing?

02:03:11.000 Hey, listen, I haven't done it in a while since this stuff.

02:03:14.000 Since you started training?

02:03:16.000 Yeah, and that's cool too.

02:03:19.000 That's cool too.

02:03:21.000 I don't think I'm a good host while I'm under this kind of duration.

02:03:25.000 I understand.

02:03:25.000 Yeah.

02:03:26.000 No, like I said, I could see the intensity.

02:03:29.000 You're ramped up right now.

02:03:30.000 You're a different person than the last time I talked to you.

02:03:32.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:03:33.000 But exciting.

02:03:34.000 It's exciting.

02:03:35.000 It's all my wife for.

02:03:36.000 She shouldn't have told me to get on that treadmill.

02:03:39.000 Really, she doesn't believe it.

02:03:40.000 You predicted it, man.

02:03:41.000 You predicted it on this show.

02:03:43.000 You said, I don't want to reignite my ego.

02:03:45.000 Yeah.

02:03:46.000 And you did it.

02:03:48.000 But I'm excited that you did it.

02:03:49.000 I'm excited.

02:03:50.000 I can't wait for November 28th.

02:03:52.000 Man, listen.

02:03:54.000 God, man.

02:03:54.000 I've been working.

02:03:55.000 I'm going to show you when I leave here then.

02:03:57.000 Okay.

02:03:57.000 All right.

02:03:58.000 Show me.

02:03:58.000 Yeah.

02:03:59.000 Thank you.

02:03:59.000 Love, brother.

02:03:59.000 Thank you, brother.

02:04:00.000 Thank you very much, sir.

02:04:01.000 Thank you.

02:04:02.000 Bye, everybody.

02:04:04.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:05.000 Yeah, let me show you something, man.

02:04:06.000 I want to show you me and Ralph.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 04, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1532 - Mike Tyson

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