The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1533 - Adam Curry

00:00:14.000 If not for you, I would not be here.

00:00:16.000 In both places.

00:00:17.000 Welcome to Texas, Joe.

00:00:19.000 Welcome.

00:00:20.000 You bring tremendous exciting and good energy to our city and to our state.

00:00:26.000 I appreciate that very much, but I'm here in a big way because of you.

00:00:31.000 So before we even get started, if you do not know, Adam was the very first podcaster ever.

00:00:36.000 If you want to have a patient zero of podcasting, it's you.

00:00:42.000 Yeah, I'd say that's arguably correct.

00:00:44.000 I would say it's inarguably correct.

00:00:47.000 And then also you talked about how much you loved it here.

00:00:51.000 Yeah, and I've been here 11 years or so.

00:00:53.000 Without you, we would not be here for those two things.

00:00:56.000 Right.

00:00:56.000 Well, it's really because after I did your show, which I cannot...

00:01:00.000 The only thing better than going on the Joe Rogan show is being invited back on the Joe Rogan show.

00:01:05.000 I mean, you did...

00:01:07.000 It was incredible for me.

00:01:08.000 You renewed my credentials.

00:01:10.000 Right.

00:01:11.000 Well, listen, I think you're awesome.

00:01:12.000 I think you're one of the most interesting guys on the internet. 0.92

00:01:15.000 No bullshit. 0.70

00:01:15.000 I really do. 0.70

00:01:16.000 Thank you.

00:01:17.000 The other thing that's very interesting is I told you when we were doing the show that time, we were kind of getting a little baked.

00:01:23.000 I'm like, this is when my Tourette shows up.

00:01:25.000 You know, I have a mild form of Tourette's.

00:01:26.000 And so because I had said that, it was like I felt really comfortable just being who I am and not having to worry about, I don't want to tick right now.

00:01:34.000 Oh, right, right.

00:01:35.000 You know Steve Mnuchin, our Secretary of the Treasury?

00:01:38.000 He also has Tourette's.

00:01:39.000 He also has a hot wife.

00:01:41.000 Bam! 0.98

00:01:41.000 Well, this is, of course, one of the superpowers you get when you have Tourette's. 0.98

00:01:44.000 You get a hot wife. 0.58

00:01:45.000 Hot wife that wears those... 1.00

00:01:46.000 Yeah, baby! 1.00

00:01:47.000 That's what you get.

00:01:48.000 She's one of those ladies that wears those gloves that go all the way down to the elbow. 1.00

00:01:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:01:52.000 Yeah.

00:01:52.000 The lady's like, oh, he's kind of weird, but I like that.

00:01:55.000 You can see him, he's testifying before Congress, and you can see him stretching his neck and shit. 0.98

00:02:03.000 But once it's out there, then it actually removes all the tension. 0.99

00:02:07.000 And even on the YouTube comments, people are like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy, man?

00:02:11.000 Is he backing up his files every five seconds when he's... 0.95

00:02:17.000 When he's batting his eyes.

00:02:19.000 What exactly is happening if someone, like, is there a physiological thing that they've identified?

00:02:23.000 Yeah, it's like sparks happening in your brain, and they're not really sure what it is.

00:02:28.000 It's Gilles de Tourette syndrome.

00:02:30.000 And there's all kinds of stuff they say can help.

00:02:34.000 What are the things they say help?

00:02:36.000 Oh, certain herbs. 0.98

00:02:38.000 I always get fucking fishy. 0.96

00:02:40.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people say it's trauma that the body is held onto. 0.98

00:02:44.000 That's very possible.

00:02:45.000 That could be it.

00:02:47.000 But it started around when I was seven, so it could also be, I think, possibly vaccine-related.

00:02:51.000 I'm not saying that I'm anti-vaccines, but I know it happened then because my parents took me to the doctor.

00:02:59.000 My dad, interestingly, also had Tourette's.

00:03:03.000 Vaccines are one of those things.

00:03:04.000 So it can be hereditary.

00:03:05.000 Vaccines are one of those subjects where people tense up, and you're either all in or you're not.

00:03:13.000 Well, you're not allowed to just want safe vaccines.

00:03:15.000 You're not allowed to say, I am 100% pro-vaccine, but vaccines are, in fact...

00:03:21.000 Some sort of actionable chemical, right?

00:03:23.000 I mean, some liquid that you're putting into someone's body.

00:03:26.000 Sure.

00:03:26.000 And it's going to have an effect.

00:03:27.000 And there's all kinds of stuff in there.

00:03:29.000 And things happen sometimes with people with regular things, with aspirin, peanuts.

00:03:33.000 Yes.

00:03:34.000 People's bodies react differently to all sorts of different things. 0.97

00:03:37.000 That doesn't mean that vaccines haven't saved fucking uncountless lives. 0.89

00:03:41.000 Of course, they're amazing. 0.89

00:03:43.000 The people that figured out vaccines are the most...

00:03:45.000 Well, I think you have vaccines in a combination of a lot of other things.

00:03:48.000 Sanitation.

00:03:49.000 Sure, sure, sure. 0.99

00:03:50.000 That's why in New York City, the sanitation department still wears kind of uniforms because they were seen as like first line, first responders when people were living in, you know, horse shit and trash. 0.99

00:04:00.000 People just dumping it out their windows in New York. 0.98

00:04:02.000 These guys came in like the National Guard and they became this force.

00:04:06.000 Yeah, that's no doubt about it. 0.99

00:04:08.000 If you had to live in like ancient Rome and where the shit would just roll down the street. 0.99

00:04:11.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:04:12.000 Yeah.

00:04:12.000 Like, ugh.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:14.000 I mean, that's how a lot of people got sick in those places, right?

00:04:16.000 In ancient cultures before they really figured out sanitation and sewage.

00:04:20.000 In general, sanitation.

00:04:21.000 That's giant to prevent diseases. 0.86

00:04:23.000 Yeah.

00:04:24.000 But vaccines are also...

00:04:25.000 I mean, how many people have been saved by vaccines?

00:04:28.000 The overall net gain.

00:04:29.000 I don't want to look at people like a chart, but if you did, you'd have to say, God, look at all the people that were saved.

00:04:35.000 Look at all the people that are healthy. 0.93

00:04:36.000 But you have to say, oh, but for some people, it fucked them up. 0.95

00:04:40.000 You know? 0.95

00:04:40.000 I mean, there is a vaccine court, right? 0.95

00:04:42.000 Right.

00:04:43.000 Well...

00:04:44.000 Isn't there?

00:04:46.000 I've met Robert Kennedy Jr. in the past.

00:04:50.000 He's a big anti...

00:04:51.000 No, no, no.

00:04:53.000 He's pro-safe vaccines.

00:04:54.000 But he's very controversial.

00:04:56.000 Of course.

00:04:57.000 Because he's challenging the conventional wisdom of vaccines.

00:05:02.000 And we have a lot of media influence to...

00:05:05.000 You know, to kind of set us up on this path where, I mean, when I was growing up, we didn't have vaccine for the mumps or the measles.

00:05:12.000 And I don't think it was the German measles.

00:05:15.000 And we got it and chicken pox and you got that.

00:05:18.000 And so the vaccine industry was able to prevent that and some form of herd immunity.

00:05:23.000 But, you know, the way we had these outbreaks and people are all freaking out and, you know, It just seems like it's an industry that wants to keep this type of safety for people, and that's one view of what is good.

00:05:38.000 I mean, there's all kinds of views what people think about certain illnesses you should just get to build up your immunity.

00:05:46.000 So it's hard for me to say.

00:05:48.000 I mean, it's not black and white.

00:05:50.000 And why should it be black and white?

00:05:52.000 Why should it be?

00:05:52.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:05:54.000 There's room for reasonable discussion without getting into fistfights and lighting each other's houses on fire.

00:05:59.000 And this is another subject where I think that's the case.

00:06:03.000 I think there's room.

00:06:05.000 I think what's interesting is...

00:06:06.000 Young Jamie had to make the first adjustment.

00:06:08.000 We got a whole new set up here.

00:06:10.000 Stop! 1.00

00:06:11.000 Stop! 1.00

00:06:12.000 Holy crap! 1.00

00:06:13.000 To Matt Alvarez, the fucking king of the world, who put this place together. 1.00

00:06:17.000 Let me just say, this is so badass. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Thanks, buddy.

00:06:20.000 You sent me a picture and I was like, that looks like the interior of an Embraer jet.

00:06:24.000 I mean, this is crazy.

00:06:26.000 And then the lighting, and I'm glad my buddy Drew got y'all hooked up to the table.

00:06:30.000 Shout out to Drew Teague who put this together.

00:06:33.000 And, you know, just all of it is so cool.

00:06:36.000 But shout out to young Jamie. 0.99

00:06:37.000 Fucking VIP. Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:06:39.000 If not for him.

00:06:40.000 We said, whatever you do, we don't want headphones.

00:06:43.000 And he came through for us. 1.00

00:06:45.000 I really appreciate that shit. 0.99

00:06:46.000 Yeah, we had a couple of sound issues, but that's just how it goes. 1.00

00:06:49.000 No, it doesn't matter.

00:06:50.000 I'm the perfect guest for that.

00:06:51.000 You know, I just sat here and smoked your weed.

00:06:53.000 I just sat here and smoked your weed.

00:06:56.000 You have to be the first guest.

00:06:58.000 Yeah, well, thank you.

00:06:59.000 Here in the new studio.

00:07:00.000 It really is an honor.

00:07:01.000 And let me tell you, man, I am so happy for you and so proud of what you've done. 0.95

00:07:06.000 And, you know, to get someone to put a fucking number on the value you've created with your show, that's... 0.97

00:07:13.000 Let's not do that, because that's just going to freak me out. 0.97

00:07:16.000 No, not at all.

00:07:17.000 That's huge.

00:07:17.000 You get exactly what you deserve in life.

00:07:19.000 Let's just have a sip of whiskey and talk.

00:07:21.000 Right, but what I want to say is you've made it.

00:07:24.000 This is a big move.

00:07:25.000 You're not going like a television network.

00:07:27.000 This is not Hollywood picking you up. 0.99

00:07:30.000 Fuck, this is something completely different. 1.00

00:07:31.000 It's another app. 1.00

00:07:32.000 It's like an app against another app.

00:07:34.000 This is cool.

00:07:35.000 We see Netflix and Disney and Apple Plus and Amazon.

00:07:42.000 So there's all these different...

00:07:44.000 I think that that creates markets and the place right now may be a high value...

00:07:49.000 But place a value on content, and people are willing to pay for it.

00:07:52.000 So I'm not against any of that.

00:07:54.000 I think that's very, very interesting and a very logical path, and I'm glad that it's happening to you.

00:07:59.000 They have a vested interest in the show, which is what other platforms didn't necessarily have.

00:08:06.000 YouTube has always been great to us.

00:08:07.000 I don't have any complaints, really, about YouTube.

00:08:09.000 I think the real problem with YouTube is managing at scale.

00:08:12.000 I think they're dealing with some ungodly number of videos that are constantly flooding into it.

00:08:17.000 They didn't really have an interest.

00:08:20.000 They knew that the show was popular, but it's not like we were working together.

00:08:25.000 They just would take some of the ad revenue, but there was no real...

00:08:29.000 It was just a nice place where I could put it up, they could make some money, I could make some money.

00:08:33.000 But something like Spotify is a different situation where they're like, let's do this together.

00:08:38.000 We'll be together.

00:08:39.000 So you'll be exclusive to here, and we want you to do well.

00:08:43.000 Instead of having a non-connected relationship, like a lot of people feel like with YouTube.

00:08:50.000 Which is, again, I think it's because of managing its scale.

00:08:53.000 They can't have a one-on-one relationship with everybody.

00:08:56.000 It's not possible. 0.99

00:08:57.000 There's so many fucking people who have YouTube channels. 0.99

00:08:59.000 What is the number? 1.00

00:09:01.000 I don't know.

00:09:02.000 Jamie, how many people have YouTube channels?

00:09:03.000 It's got to be a crazy number.

00:09:05.000 Billions.

00:09:06.000 Billions.

00:09:07.000 Why not?

00:09:08.000 Maybe billions?

00:09:09.000 Why not?

00:09:11.000 It's the number one video source in the world, right?

00:09:14.000 In terms of watching clips?

00:09:16.000 There's 31 million YouTube channels out there.

00:09:19.000 As of 2019. 31 what?

00:09:21.000 31 million.

00:09:23.000 31 million.

00:09:23.000 Interesting.

00:09:24.000 That's it?

00:09:25.000 Well, in our world, this is preposterous. 1.00

00:09:28.000 What is wrong with this shit? 1.00

00:09:30.000 It must be much more than that, I tell you. 1.00

00:09:33.000 There was a period of time during the podcast when I was telling people to do a podcast, and they would get mad at me.

00:09:38.000 They're like, stop telling everyone to do a podcast.

00:09:40.000 Oh, because it was like dirty?

00:09:41.000 It was like I was...

00:09:42.000 I felt like the lowest rung on the showbiz ladder was VJ. But no, I went and created one lower, which was Podcaster.

00:09:51.000 No, that's not what I was saying.

00:09:52.000 I was encouraging too many people to enter into it.

00:09:56.000 Oh, no!

00:09:58.000 People are like, dude, stop telling everybody they should have a podcast. 0.99

00:10:01.000 Not everybody should have a fucking podcast. 0.98

00:10:02.000 This is very important for me. 0.98

00:10:05.000 Because I realized as the podfather who, you know, really helped create everything in this whole, the mechanisms of it all, how it all fits together, we're losing something out of podcasting.

00:10:20.000 What that does is actually creates this huge opportunity in a vacuum because there's...

00:10:27.000 If you don't mind me saying, there's other Joe Rogans waiting to be born.

00:10:32.000 They're out there.

00:10:33.000 Oh, they're alive right now.

00:10:34.000 So they are ready and they need to have the same type of support...

00:10:40.000 That you get inside Spotify and you'll see iHeartRadio and Stitcher, they're going to announce deals and it's all going to be kind of, they have all their exclusive and you have Podcast One and so that's where radio is moving, mainly by the music companies who Have a kind of bad business model.

00:10:59.000 They have to pay for every time someone listens to a song, regardless of whether they could make money on it or not.

00:11:04.000 So moving to longer form content that doesn't cost more per minute that people consume is dynamite for them.

00:11:12.000 And they already have people paying and there's ways to do that, which is great.

00:11:16.000 What I need to make sure we do is that we preserve podcasting as a platform for free speech.

00:11:21.000 It may not be easy for the next Joe Rogan who has the different values or how they speak to get into whatever is the norm inside different podcast apps.

00:11:31.000 Do you understand what I'm saying?

00:11:32.000 I do.

00:11:33.000 I do understand what you're saying.

00:11:35.000 My thought about it every time I told someone to do it was that there's plenty of room.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, yes.

00:11:42.000 There's so many of us.

00:11:43.000 Infinite, infinite room.

00:11:44.000 Yeah, and this thought process that people have about not wanting someone...

00:11:50.000 Look, if I have an interesting conversation with someone and they're a fascinating person, I'll probably say you should do a podcast.

00:11:57.000 If they're not doing one, I would suggest it.

00:12:00.000 That's how mine started.

00:12:02.000 That's how all of us got into it.

00:12:03.000 If you enjoy Fresh Air, if you enjoy Radiolab, if you enjoy No Agenda, if you enjoy any podcast, wouldn't you want to encourage some new interesting person to try to get involved and maybe take it to a different place?

00:12:18.000 That's what happened with my friend Duncan.

00:12:20.000 Duncan Trussell, from doing other people's podcasts to then doing his own.

00:12:24.000 His podcast is amazing.

00:12:25.000 You guys did like a 20-hour show.

00:12:27.000 Oh, we did a five-hour and 20-minute show.

00:12:29.000 I mean, I had to spark up like 45 minutes into it.

00:12:32.000 I'm like, I got to get on their level, man.

00:12:33.000 What the hell is going on with these guys?

00:12:34.000 It took me two hours just to sober up, and by then we were drinking.

00:12:37.000 Well, I'm kind of happy we had a little bit of Jamie downtime so we could get ready for the show. 0.99

00:12:43.000 Shout out to the VIP, young Jamie, again for pulling this motherfucker together. 0.99

00:12:47.000 This ship was about to sink. 0.99

00:12:49.000 Tiffany Pentap.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, this ship was about to sink, son.

00:12:52.000 Right.

00:12:54.000 But I'm enjoying Austin.

00:12:56.000 I love it.

00:12:57.000 It's great. 0.54

00:12:58.000 It's a dope city. 0.58

00:13:00.000 I'm happy there's less people around. 0.78

00:13:02.000 I was going to say, do you know a lot of people here?

00:13:03.000 Yeah, yeah, I do.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, because I'm one of the owners of Onnit.

00:13:06.000 We're right down the street here.

00:13:07.000 So really good friends with Aubrey and Kyle Kingsbury's here.

00:13:11.000 And then my friend Todd White, who's a jiu-jitsu friend of mine from back in L.A. I don't know any of these people.

00:13:16.000 He's an artist.

00:13:18.000 Todd White's a fantastic artist.

00:13:19.000 Really interesting.

00:13:25.000 What are those...

00:13:26.000 What are those speakeasies? 1.00

00:13:28.000 Like speakeasy, 1920s-ish, cool, like interesting.

00:13:33.000 This is the art of white. 0.93

00:13:34.000 This is my friend Todd White.

00:13:35.000 He does...

00:13:36.000 Like click on that one that looks like...

00:13:38.000 Yeah, right there.

00:13:40.000 The one...

00:13:40.000 Yeah, it looks like people at a party.

00:13:41.000 He does that kind of shit. 1.00

00:13:44.000 Todd's been my friend. 1.00

00:13:45.000 He's a brilliant artist.

00:13:47.000 Cocktail loungy type.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, and he's also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu from my instructor, John Jock Machado.

00:13:54.000 That's him?

00:13:55.000 That's my buddy, Todd.

00:13:56.000 Nice.

00:13:57.000 And he's an Austinite now too, and he moved here from LA. So he was also an influence talking to him.

00:14:04.000 He's just a really super cool dude.

00:14:06.000 What I like about you here, man, is that Austin's pretty liberal.

00:14:12.000 We need male energy. 1.00

00:14:14.000 We need male energy coming back. 1.00

00:14:16.000 We need to meet in the middle and hug.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, of course.

00:14:19.000 The male-female model, by the way, I think there's a reason it should work. 0.99

00:14:24.000 It feels like yin and yang.

00:14:26.000 It should kind of go together.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, it takes a while to figure that out.

00:14:29.000 It's not very easy.

00:14:30.000 Yeah, it took me a couple tries.

00:14:33.000 It took decades!

00:14:35.000 I think around 50, I'm like, oh yeah, I think I'm kind of figuring it out a little bit.

00:14:39.000 I understand women way more now because I actually have children that are girls.

00:14:43.000 So you see, like, the idea that a man and a woman is the same thing is like the idea that a cat and a dog. 1.00

00:14:49.000 If you said to your cat, if you threw a ball for your cat, and you're like, go get it, motherfucker! 1.00

00:14:53.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:14:54.000 Go get it!

00:14:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:14:57.000 The dog gets it! 1.00

00:14:59.000 We're so different.

00:15:01.000 And when you watch little girls grow up and what they want to do versus I have friends that have boys, like, oh, my God. 0.99

00:15:06.000 You go over to their house and it's fucking war. 0.99

00:15:08.000 It's chaos. 1.00

00:15:09.000 They're always hitting things. 0.99

00:15:11.000 They're terrorists. 0.99

00:15:12.000 Total terror. 0.98

00:15:12.000 And obviously there's a spectrum and there's girls that are Yeah, of course. 0.98

00:15:16.000 We have that in common.

00:15:17.000 I grew up with women, two sisters, my mom. 1.00

00:15:21.000 I have a daughter.

00:15:23.000 I have two stepdaughters.

00:15:24.000 Just always a lot of women. 1.00

00:15:26.000 I get along really well.

00:15:27.000 I can be great friends with women. 1.00

00:15:29.000 But real super male energy, which is what I enjoy about you.

00:15:34.000 Sorry.

00:15:35.000 No.

00:15:35.000 It really is nice because I didn't have much of that growing up and you're so kind of open and nice about it.

00:15:44.000 But you also have jiu-jitsu and all this fucking shit that I don't know anything about. 0.98

00:15:47.000 I'll teach you. 0.99

00:15:48.000 You want to learn?

00:15:49.000 We got gyms here.

00:15:50.000 I am also very lazy.

00:15:52.000 Well, maybe.

00:15:53.000 That helps.

00:15:53.000 Maybe.

00:15:54.000 Maybe.

00:15:54.000 Do you work out at all?

00:15:55.000 Spin class.

00:15:56.000 Do you really? 0.99

00:15:57.000 I fucking love the spin class. 0.98

00:15:58.000 It looks like fun. 0.99

00:15:59.000 Yeah.

00:15:59.000 Oh, sitting in a dark room, dancing on the bike.

00:16:05.000 Typically, a lot of cute girls. 1.00

00:16:07.000 That used to matter, but now I just want the workout.

00:16:10.000 I get it.

00:16:11.000 But I like someone yelling at me, do this, do that.

00:16:14.000 It's kind of rhythmic, and no one sees you. 0.97

00:16:16.000 No one gives a shit if you slow down, if you don't make it. 0.88

00:16:19.000 But at the end you're like, I feel good. 0.97

00:16:21.000 I didn't hack up a lung.

00:16:23.000 I feel good.

00:16:24.000 I hate going there.

00:16:25.000 Isn't it a dangerous move to have all those people doing cardio in a small room?

00:16:31.000 I don't know.

00:16:31.000 How many of them are farting?

00:16:34.000 I've never...

00:16:34.000 I'm very sensitive to this.

00:16:36.000 Really?

00:16:36.000 Nothing?

00:16:36.000 No.

00:16:37.000 But often, let me tell you, I will definitely go to the bathroom before I go to spin class.

00:16:41.000 Well, you're a courteous person, Adam Currier. 0.99

00:16:43.000 Yeah, but I have this fear, you know, like I'm on the bike, like, oh, fuck, what the hell? 0.99

00:16:47.000 Of course. 1.00

00:16:48.000 That would suck so bad.

00:16:49.000 The occasional fart in yoga class is one of the funniest things about yoga.

00:16:52.000 It's never happened, but oh my god.

00:16:54.000 I've heard it.

00:16:54.000 That would be horrible.

00:16:55.000 I've heard it.

00:16:55.000 Actually, my friend Eddie Wong.

00:16:57.000 When Eddie did, for his television show, he farted.

00:17:00.000 I took him to yoga.

00:17:02.000 He wanted to do a bunch of things.

00:17:03.000 I took him to yoga.

00:17:04.000 We went and did a yoga class, and he farted.

00:17:09.000 That's the pits.

00:17:10.000 I don't eat before I do yoga.

00:17:12.000 That's the pits, man.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, we had a good time, man.

00:17:14.000 But no, I think it's quite healthy, actually.

00:17:16.000 The ventilation is good.

00:17:18.000 Shout out to Agora Hot Yoga. 0.99

00:17:21.000 They can't even open up right now.

00:17:23.000 California won't let them open up yoga studios. 0.98

00:17:26.000 It's so ridiculous.

00:17:27.000 I go to Ride Indoor Cycling, and they're limited to, I think, 11 people or 13. We need tests. 0.56

00:17:35.000 The White House apparently has some tests that they could find out in 20 minutes if you have it.

00:17:39.000 Yeah, it's coming in 15 minutes.

00:17:41.000 You just have to accept the microchip, Adam Curry.

00:17:44.000 Just take the microchip.

00:17:46.000 Well, obviously, at this point, everybody is basically thinking... 1.00

00:17:52.000 Come on, Dr. Bill Gates, just give me the fucking vaccine! 1.00

00:17:55.000 Shoot that microchip into me! 1.00

00:17:57.000 I'll take it! 0.99

00:17:58.000 And that, you know, is obviously advantageous for people.

00:18:03.000 You've seen the meme about Microsoft?

00:18:06.000 Bill Gates owns Microsoft.

00:18:08.000 Microsoft can't stop viruses for Windows. 0.98

00:18:10.000 How the fuck are they going to stop from human beings? 0.98

00:18:12.000 No, I know. 0.99

00:18:13.000 It's a good meme.

00:18:14.000 It's a solid point.

00:18:15.000 If you were a comic and you said that, that would kill whoever you are, the meme person that came up with that line.

00:18:21.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:18:23.000 I think that it's concerning all this vaccine, you know, the mandatory mask, the disputes over, but I think it's really a sideshow to something much fucking bigger.

00:18:34.000 What's the biggest thing?

00:18:36.000 Well...

00:18:37.000 I feel like I need a seat buckle.

00:18:38.000 Yeah.

00:18:39.000 Oh, definitely.

00:18:40.000 Definitely.

00:18:40.000 What is the one thing that we absolutely lost during the coronavirus?

00:18:46.000 The one thing that went away, it was right in front of our face.

00:18:49.000 We all saw it. 1.00

00:18:50.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:18:51.000 We were actually told it had to go away or it was very dangerous. 0.99

00:18:54.000 What is that one thing?

00:18:56.000 Probably your freedom.

00:18:58.000 That's what I would say.

00:18:59.000 Your ability to move around and go wherever you want.

00:19:02.000 An actual control mechanism of freedom.

00:19:04.000 Money went away.

00:19:05.000 Cash went away.

00:19:06.000 Coins went away.

00:19:07.000 Everyone went digital money.

00:19:09.000 And we accepted it willingly.

00:19:13.000 Without any thought that someone might be juking the system.

00:19:19.000 Well, let me continue.

00:19:21.000 World Health Organization showed Chinese money being sprayed to clean it from coronavirus, which of course we know is preposterous.

00:19:29.000 But, you know...

00:19:30.000 Chinese money being sprayed?

00:19:32.000 Yeah, like in Shanghai, there was spraying money.

00:19:34.000 There were memes as well.

00:19:36.000 There was lots of, like, money can be dirty.

00:19:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:19:39.000 I see what you're saying. 1.00

00:19:40.000 I'm not even going to fucking argue with you about the fucking money. 0.99

00:19:43.000 I'm not going to touch it. 0.99

00:19:44.000 That's what everybody said.

00:19:45.000 You can't argue with me about something I have no knowledge whatsoever of.

00:19:51.000 Too big for that.

00:19:52.000 There's no way we can argue.

00:19:53.000 How can we argue?

00:19:54.000 I have no facts.

00:19:55.000 Exactly.

00:19:56.000 I'm not interested in arguments.

00:19:58.000 I have no argument.

00:19:59.000 Here's another thing that people learn.

00:20:01.000 But there's more to this story.

00:20:02.000 Please go.

00:20:02.000 Okay.

00:20:02.000 I think this is really important because it's happening right now.

00:20:05.000 It's really cool.

00:20:06.000 Okay.

00:20:07.000 So that went away.

00:20:08.000 And so everyone's kind of, you know, now we're using apps and these apps.

00:20:12.000 It's all different networks and infrastructure.

00:20:16.000 You know, you're not really, you know, Venmo actually connects to another company that then logs into your bank account and acts as you.

00:20:22.000 There's all these different ways it's been kind of gerrymandered and rigged together.

00:20:27.000 So Venmo doesn't go right to your bank account?

00:20:29.000 They go through middleware, plaid networks.

00:20:32.000 The Dark Lord?

00:20:34.000 No, they just got bought by Visa for like $5 billion.

00:20:37.000 It's fine.

00:20:38.000 It's just another part of...

00:20:39.000 It's fine.

00:20:39.000 Because banks traditionally never talk to each other digitally.

00:20:41.000 We won't do whatever we can to maximize our profits.

00:20:44.000 We promise.

00:20:45.000 We'll be ethical.

00:20:45.000 You're going to love it when I get there, Joe Rogan.

00:20:47.000 We demand social justice while we're sucking green bills out of your veins. 1.00

00:20:57.000 So, we're waiting for the stimulus checks, which is now being negotiated.

00:21:03.000 This is, you know, people need money.

00:21:04.000 That stopped, you know, it's being held up, and we hear this, it's about FBI building being built, it's about giving states money, it's about all these different things.

00:21:15.000 And then we also have this post office controversy.

00:21:18.000 So there's two things going on.

00:21:21.000 Shout out to the post office.

00:21:23.000 Well...

00:21:24.000 The post office, it appears, is an important factor in a new digital dollar, which is currently called FedNet.

00:21:37.000 And I think it's called FedNet.

00:21:40.000 So how are they involved?

00:21:42.000 Okay.

00:21:43.000 All right.

00:21:44.000 Okay.

00:21:45.000 Let's go back.

00:21:46.000 You know, you remember Jekyll Island?

00:21:48.000 You were talking to Duncan about Jekyll Island.

00:21:50.000 Zero facts, by the way.

00:21:52.000 How about that?

00:21:52.000 If I had to pass a quiz on Jekyll Island, I'd get a 23. You were pretty close.

00:21:56.000 So Jekyll Island is where the Federal Reserve was created in 1910. In 1907, there was a crisis in America.

00:22:03.000 There was a financial crisis.

00:22:05.000 And then the bankers, J.P. Morgan and the actual guys, you know, the old, you know, we have Chase Bank now and that guy who started that bank and...

00:22:14.000 Warburg and a couple others. 0.99

00:22:16.000 They said, this is fucked up. 0.98

00:22:17.000 We've got to be able to control the interest rate so we can, you know, control the economy by boom and bust, basically, which we've been through all this time. 0.98

00:22:25.000 But when they created it, they had to make that the official way to manage America's money.

00:22:31.000 And a couple years down the line, they got the Federal Reserve Act, which removed our money from the Treasury and gave it to the Federal Reserve.

00:22:39.000 And that's these bankers.

00:22:41.000 And they just gave it the cool name to make it sound like it's a part of the government, but it's not.

00:22:45.000 So they create the money, they manage it, and the United States borrows it from them.

00:22:50.000 You've heard this before, I'm sure.

00:22:51.000 Makes sense.

00:22:52.000 You should definitely give them most of the money that we have.

00:22:55.000 There's no need for...

00:22:56.000 It's about to get a lot easier for them.

00:22:58.000 That's the beauty.

00:22:59.000 That's the beauty of it.

00:23:01.000 Poor people and hard-working folks to have any of that.

00:23:05.000 The Banking for All Act is what is on the table right now.

00:23:09.000 That's why I believe the stimulus is held up.

00:23:12.000 Because they want to give people the money into a digital wallet.

00:23:18.000 Which everyone who has a social security number right now has a digital dollar wallet attached to that social security number.

00:23:26.000 And all you have to do is, if you don't have a bank, you go to the post office, you show your social security number, your ID, and you'll get a debit card, and that is basically your entire bank on that card.

00:23:38.000 And the government can put money on, which they will do.

00:23:42.000 Which they will do.

00:23:43.000 No, no.

00:23:44.000 But it gets better, Joe.

00:23:46.000 It gets better.

00:23:47.000 You want me to blow your mind? 0.99

00:23:49.000 How fucking funny is that? 1.00

00:23:49.000 You want me to blow your mind? 1.00

00:23:50.000 Yeah, please.

00:23:50.000 Okay.

00:23:51.000 Please, please, please.

00:23:52.000 Because you're a fan of universal basic income.

00:23:54.000 I'm going to tell you how it's going to work.

00:23:55.000 This is coming.

00:23:56.000 Okay.

00:23:56.000 So you should really...

00:23:57.000 You want to hear this.

00:23:59.000 Okay.

00:23:59.000 Because I think it's really happening.

00:24:01.000 Okay. 0.86

00:24:01.000 I could be fucking wrong, but you know. 0.86

00:24:02.000 I'm just a VJ and a podcaster. 0.96

00:24:05.000 I understand.

00:24:05.000 I remember when you had crazy hair.

00:24:07.000 Oh, God.

00:24:07.000 You were so handsome, too.

00:24:09.000 There was a lot of work.

00:24:09.000 You're still handsome, but you're like older guy handsome.

00:24:11.000 There was a lot of fucking work. 0.99

00:24:13.000 You were beautiful. 0.99

00:24:13.000 When you were young, you were beautiful. 0.99

00:24:15.000 Oh, my God.

00:24:16.000 Thank you.

00:24:17.000 Anyway, continue.

00:24:18.000 You say that to all the boys.

00:24:20.000 Only the podfather.

00:24:21.000 I think you're the only guy I've called beautiful to his face.

00:24:24.000 Did I call Rob Lowe beautiful?

00:24:26.000 If not, I apologize, Rob.

00:24:28.000 You're beautiful, too.

00:24:29.000 Who else?

00:24:31.000 You're beautiful, Joe Rogan.

00:24:33.000 Thank you.

00:24:33.000 Mike Tyson, you're beautiful.

00:24:35.000 So you remember the cost of like a Toyota truck in the 70s?

00:24:39.000 Like $5,000.

00:24:40.000 Well, I was three, so...

00:24:42.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:24:43.000 It's like $5,000.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, okay.

00:24:45.000 So now in 2020, it's $50,000. 1.00

00:24:48.000 Same fucking truck. 0.99

00:24:49.000 Well, those trucks are really valuable now. 1.00

00:24:51.000 Those Toyotas from the 1970s, the FJ40s, those are amazing.

00:24:56.000 There's something about them that makes you pretend you're Indiana Jones, like you're a rugged individualist with their aluminum door.

00:25:03.000 It's like a farming vehicle.

00:25:07.000 They're real crude.

00:25:10.000 But you could buy it for $5,000 and now you have to have $50,000.

00:25:13.000 Of course, back then, you made $10,000 a year, you were doing okay.

00:25:18.000 Now you need $100,000 to really say, I'm doing okay.

00:25:21.000 Let me ask you this.

00:25:22.000 Why is it that, if you look at a Toyota FJ40, why is it so attractive to us?

00:25:27.000 Why does it make me feel like I want to get a leather-bound notebook and go to the woods and write things?

00:25:34.000 If I'm one of those dudes...

00:25:36.000 This is where our roads part.

00:25:41.000 If I'm one of those dudes who wears a fluffy flannel shirt...

00:25:44.000 I don't care about cars anymore.

00:25:46.000 I gave up.

00:25:46.000 A FJ40? Come on, look at that thing.

00:25:49.000 That is a rugged, individualist car.

00:25:51.000 That's a dude who reads a lot of books and doesn't need a lot of attention.

00:25:55.000 How come he doesn't have a boy?

00:25:56.000 Where no socks?

00:25:58.000 Has no socks in his moccasins?

00:25:59.000 No! 0.99

00:25:59.000 Oh, that guy's got boots on in case the fucking ground's on fire. 0.99

00:26:03.000 The guy who drives that car right there, that's a bad motherfucker who knows how to tie good knots. 1.00

00:26:10.000 That's what that guy is. 1.00

00:26:11.000 That's a guy who knows how to fucking drive those things off-road. 0.99

00:26:15.000 He knows how to activate the lockers. 0.99

00:26:19.000 He's a guy who writes.

00:26:20.000 Maybe he can play guitar by the firelight, but he doesn't have a girlfriend.

00:26:25.000 Isn't it crazy?

00:26:27.000 Look at that guy. 1.00

00:26:28.000 He's got a fucking rifle! 1.00

00:26:30.000 Look at that scope! 1.00

00:26:31.000 Looking for squirrels!

00:26:34.000 Every man has a little bit of that in him.

00:26:37.000 For sure.

00:26:38.000 A little bit of a poser.

00:26:38.000 That guy's a poser.

00:26:40.000 Look at that shit on his roof. 1.00

00:26:41.000 That ain't even dirty. 1.00

00:26:44.000 That guy's probably a dancer. 1.00

00:26:48.000 He probably has nothing to do with shooting or driving trucks or hunting. 1.00

00:26:52.000 They just put that dude in a beautiful car and made up stand there and look stupid. 1.00

00:26:57.000 So when you get your $1,200 digital in your wallet... 1.00

00:27:01.000 Oh, government money.

00:27:03.000 Yes, it's called a stimulus.

00:27:05.000 Right.

00:27:06.000 This is the digital dollar, and everyone's going to get this money.

00:27:10.000 If you're guilty of wrong-think, can the government shut down your account?

00:27:14.000 This is totally where it's headed, of course.

00:27:16.000 Of course.

00:27:17.000 But what's interesting about it is, do you know that interest rates have gone negative in most of the world, which is really upside down?

00:27:23.000 Because of the pandemic?

00:27:25.000 No.

00:27:25.000 This already happened.

00:27:26.000 Since 2008, the whole financial system broke.

00:27:30.000 Because they didn't embrace Jesus.

00:27:33.000 We're in Texas.

00:27:34.000 Let's make friends.

00:27:37.000 Because they didn't embrace Jesus!

00:27:39.000 There's a lot of people...

00:27:40.000 And by the way, a lot also... 0.99

00:27:42.000 You have a fucking high-quality audience, man. 0.98

00:27:44.000 They started listening to No Agenda as well, but let me tell you. 0.99

00:27:47.000 And a lot of people who are Christian, you know, and they definitely see this as end times and, you know, it's like, is Jared Kushner maybe the Antichrist?

00:27:57.000 What if they're right?

00:27:58.000 What if they're right?

00:27:59.000 He looks like Damien.

00:28:00.000 Could be.

00:28:01.000 Remember the omen?

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 I want a picture...

00:28:04.000 Jamie, right now I need a picture of Jared Kushner next to Damien from The Omen.

00:28:12.000 Particularly when...

00:28:13.000 Someone's probably already done it.

00:28:15.000 Look at that.

00:28:16.000 Look at that one with Trump.

00:28:17.000 Where Trump's out of focus in the middle.

00:28:19.000 Look at that.

00:28:20.000 Satan!

00:28:23.000 Who knows, man?

00:28:24.000 Listen, Jared, I'm just joking.

00:28:26.000 I don't believe anything I just said.

00:28:27.000 Who knows?

00:28:28.000 I'm just trying to be funny.

00:28:29.000 Oh my god, someone's already made a connection.

00:28:31.000 Jared, I'm sorry.

00:28:33.000 I'm sure you're a good guy.

00:28:34.000 Your wife's hot. 1.00

00:28:35.000 Congratulations.

00:28:36.000 And you're very wealthy.

00:28:39.000 And I don't think you're getting a fair shake. 0.99

00:28:41.000 I don't think anybody in that fucking... 0.99

00:28:43.000 Anybody connected to Trump gets a fair shake. 1.00

00:28:45.000 You don't.

00:28:46.000 No one gets a fair shake no matter what happens on both sides of the aisle.

00:28:50.000 We're at each other's throats!

00:28:51.000 And if I was a conspiracy theorist, and I've been in the past, I would say if somebody really wanted to destroy America and then control it like a dictatorship, how would they go about doing it?

00:29:03.000 I got an idea.

00:29:04.000 It sounds crazy.

00:29:05.000 But I want to release a virus.

00:29:08.000 I'm a conspiracy therapist, so I just analyze the situation.

00:29:15.000 Yes, I think China has a big role in what's happening, as globalism does in general.

00:29:22.000 It used to be only centered around climate change and Green New Deal.

00:29:28.000 And there's a lot of agendas running right now.

00:29:30.000 So the digital dollar, which I'll explain to you another time.

00:29:33.000 Can I pause before this gets misconstrued, though?

00:29:34.000 Yeah, sure.

00:29:35.000 I don't believe what I just said.

00:29:36.000 Here's another possibility that I also don't believe.

00:29:39.000 Like, I don't believe either one of them.

00:29:42.000 Maybe there was some sort of a virus that they were examining and doing tests on in the laboratory and somehow it escaped.

00:29:50.000 According to Brett Weinstein, who is an actual evolutionary biologist, he believes that's probably the case.

00:29:57.000 But he doesn't commit either way.

00:29:59.000 No, but that's not my field of expertise.

00:30:02.000 That's not my field of expertise.

00:30:03.000 I know, but I just don't want me to be misconstrued.

00:30:05.000 Of course not.

00:30:06.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:30:07.000 I just had to have that.

00:30:08.000 Sure, sure.

00:30:09.000 This is not something I believe.

00:30:10.000 I think the whole thing is very...

00:30:13.000 It's so scripted.

00:30:17.000 I shouldn't say that.

00:30:19.000 It seems like fiction in such a stark way that if you had an amazing Jack Carr book about some foreign threat that invaded America and brought a virus that brought the economy to its knees and then gobbled up all the stocks and then kept people in their houses and made people scared and then You mean pretty much every disaster movie we've seen for the past 20 years that we've loved to stream in totality

00:30:49.000 as predictive programming?

00:30:51.000 Yeah, sure.

00:30:52.000 I remember being on mushrooms once, sitting on a hillside, thinking about the fact that every single civilization besides ours current has collapsed.

00:31:01.000 If you go to ancient Greece and you look around those spectacular structures, those people aren't there anymore, man. 0.97

00:31:08.000 They're not running shit. 0.99

00:31:09.000 No. 0.99

00:31:09.000 Well, I think we'll be okay, but some awareness needs to happen. 0.99

00:31:14.000 And just back to taking it from a media angle, which I think you and I share, The virus where it came from all disputable whatever the reaction to it if the tests are okay if the vaccine is a different that all that doesn't matter to me right now what happened was some the first I remember this because the first unprecedented thing that we heard was China was shutting down a city right of 11 million people right and that was like holy shit that's never happened before I paid attention like god man that's some bad shit 0.98

00:31:44.000 so we didn't know what was going on we were all All terrified. 0.99

00:31:47.000 But what we also saw on Instagram and TikTok and everywhere else was these videos of people dropping dead on the street.

00:31:55.000 Do you remember that?

00:31:56.000 I do.

00:31:57.000 What was that?

00:31:58.000 Where'd that go?

00:31:59.000 Has that ever happened since?

00:32:00.000 I believe that...

00:32:01.000 Well, I think it has happened for some people that are of poor health. 0.96

00:32:04.000 Some people that get affected by this disease, man, it fucks them up.

00:32:07.000 I've only seen Chinese videos of this. 0.79

00:32:10.000 I have not seen it anywhere else.

00:32:11.000 I believe that that set...

00:32:13.000 Something in motion, some programming that was triggered by authorities such as the World Health Organization, Fauci, Birx, who I remember from AIDS. They're not clean on all of that.

00:32:24.000 There's a lot of people pissed off about how they handled the AIDS crisis.

00:32:27.000 What's wrong with how they handled the AIDS crisis?

00:32:31.000 Tests wrong. 1.00

00:32:32.000 All kinds of shit was wrong. 1.00

00:32:33.000 There's Michael Musto in The Village Voice for a scathing article about how Fauci just wasted all this fucking money and people had died. 1.00

00:32:41.000 It was really... 0.98

00:32:42.000 And Fauci was hobnobbing with Elton John and the whole, you know...

00:32:45.000 Is that your phone?

00:32:46.000 How dare you?

00:32:48.000 The podfather doesn't know how to...

00:32:51.000 This way?

00:32:52.000 Me?

00:32:53.000 We could just talk.

00:32:55.000 Like that?

00:32:56.000 Is that better?

00:32:56.000 I hope you leave all that in there, Jamie.

00:32:59.000 No, I love that. 0.99

00:33:00.000 That makes it fucking humor. 0.99

00:33:03.000 I love the fact that you use a flip phone as well. 0.99

00:33:04.000 Shout out to Ari Shapir.

00:33:06.000 Also a flip phone enthusiast.

00:33:07.000 I actually think Ari has abandoned the flip phone. 1.00

00:33:10.000 The other day he called me and I said, is this your flip phone?

00:33:13.000 He goes, no, it's an iPhone. 1.00

00:33:15.000 I'm like, oh, motherfuckers call me from an iPhone. 1.00

00:33:18.000 Thought it was a flip phone. 1.00

00:33:20.000 Anyway, a lot...

00:33:22.000 I just need to tell you because you're my friend.

00:33:26.000 No one else...

00:33:28.000 Who listens to me, Joe?

00:33:29.000 Why?

00:33:30.000 You're so smart.

00:33:31.000 They should all listen.

00:33:33.000 Who's not listening and what are you saying that they're not listening to?

00:33:35.000 What I'm saying is that just look at the evidence in front of you.

00:33:38.000 I think that this is a globalist type of movement.

00:33:40.000 I think a lot of it has been driven by China. 0.93

00:33:43.000 They have their hooks in a lot of us, in a lot of different areas, in politics, in education, in finance, in fucking every media, Hollywood, sports, they're in everything. 0.83

00:33:56.000 And I think that if this was a plan, I think that it was intended for some other date.

00:34:02.000 Not all the players and the pieces were in place.

00:34:04.000 Remember a conspiracy therapist analyzing it.

00:34:08.000 But a go signal was thrown by them.

00:34:12.000 And by the way, the New York Times reported 140,000 Twitter bots were targeting Italy with these Chinese shutdown videos.

00:34:23.000 So I think that had something to do with it, how the mechanisms of social media were used to get people to shut down.

00:34:32.000 And there seem to be a lot of dishonest people in the medical field, left, right, whatever.

00:34:37.000 I don't care what the president says.

00:34:39.000 Just looking at all the different voices out there.

00:34:41.000 You've seen them.

00:34:43.000 You see what's getting taken off of YouTube.

00:34:45.000 I've got questions.

00:34:46.000 You know?

00:34:47.000 Seems like some valid things are out there that are told to shut up.

00:34:51.000 Well, there is a problem with stifling debate, right?

00:34:54.000 It's a problem. 1.00

00:34:55.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:34:56.000 Especially when these people, some of them, Whether you agree or disagree with that all infidelity is caused by demons, wasn't that one of the things that lady said? 1.00

00:35:07.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:08.000 What'd she say?

00:35:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:35:11.000 Dr. Simone.

00:35:12.000 Dr. Simone?

00:35:13.000 I'm not sure.

00:35:14.000 I know which one.

00:35:14.000 What'd she say about alien DNA? Well, she has a typical Caribbean-type church with all kinds of whacked-out shit.

00:35:21.000 There's some strange ideas. 0.99

00:35:22.000 Yeah, well, Catholic Church, Judaism, there's all kinds of weird stuff everywhere. 1.00

00:35:26.000 Shouldn't you let those people talk? 0.94

00:35:29.000 Yes!

00:35:30.000 You don't have to shut him down.

00:35:32.000 And shouldn't you have a video that responds to that that explains, hey, this is actually what's going on.

00:35:39.000 The reason why she thinks that is because she doesn't understand blah blah blah or here's what she's saying that's valid because of this, that, and the other.

00:35:48.000 the problem is you're either with us or against us and it's been the problem with human beings since the beginning of time we are team players we love a team we love being american you know how many people got happy my old studio because i had american flag like i love the new look Woo!

00:36:11.000 Because I'm on Team America, right?

00:36:14.000 We get on teams, whether it's Team Progressive or Team Conservative or Team Rational or Centrist or, you know, you don't think the Libertarians are taking it far enough.

00:36:23.000 All that stuff is a problem with labels.

00:36:28.000 I think labels should be illegal.

00:36:30.000 If cocaine's illegal, labels should be illegal as well.

00:36:35.000 There shouldn't be no Democratic Party, no Republican Party, Green Party.

00:36:41.000 Stop! 1.00

00:36:42.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:36:43.000 Libertarians, everybody just thinks you're mean.

00:36:45.000 Let's stop with the names.

00:36:46.000 I'm just unaffiliated.

00:36:47.000 Unaffiliated.

00:36:48.000 How about it would benefit everybody?

00:36:51.000 You don't have to be.

00:36:51.000 If you wanted to combat, if you really wanted to...

00:36:54.000 That's not true.

00:36:55.000 Because then people would feel suppressed and they would want to get back at you.

00:37:00.000 They would go more hardcore underground, like backwoods parties.

00:37:06.000 I believe there is an element in our society that is small but has interesting powerful positions that hate America.

00:37:18.000 I mean, they're not left or right, they just have whole different ideas.

00:37:21.000 Inside this country?

00:37:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:24.000 Is it that they hate America, or is it their interests, like, it's more profitable or beneficial for them?

00:37:33.000 I guess it's always for power.

00:37:35.000 To try to do something.

00:37:36.000 There's ideologies.

00:37:38.000 Look, I think, you're right, all Americans, I know, we're good people.

00:37:44.000 But I mean, I don't even like saying that.

00:37:46.000 I do.

00:37:47.000 People are generally good people.

00:37:50.000 Sure.

00:37:50.000 The vast majority.

00:37:51.000 Otherwise, we'd all be dead.

00:37:53.000 Sure. 1.00

00:37:53.000 Because you would kill me. 1.00

00:37:54.000 But when you have a whole... 1.00

00:37:56.000 And then Jamie would kill you. 1.00

00:37:57.000 A whole... 1.00

00:37:59.000 Sea of media around you that we live in telling you it's black, it's white, it's left, it's right, it's up, it's down.

00:38:07.000 This is why I encourage podcasts.

00:38:09.000 And this is why I have to create podcastindex.org to be independent from Apple, mainly.

00:38:17.000 I think that's a good idea.

00:38:19.000 But however, as a company, Apple's taken the most uniquely neutral approach when it comes to podcasts.

00:38:27.000 Apple has been an excellent steward of podcasting.

00:38:29.000 An excellent steward.

00:38:31.000 Maybe the best because they're not profiting off of it.

00:38:32.000 Here's the problem.

00:38:33.000 And this did kind of remind... 0.95

00:38:36.000 I fucked up when I met Steve Jobs 15 years ago and he wanted me to bless podcasting and iTunes. 0.89

00:38:40.000 We talked about that last time. 0.97

00:38:42.000 Yeah.

00:38:44.000 I also gave him my copy of the index that we had built at the time, which kind of made Apple the de facto on-ramp to submitting your podcast because all other apps and everything has been connected and getting their information and their searches from Apple's database.

00:39:01.000 So when Alex Jones was taken off of Apple Podcast, plop, plop, plop like dominoes, all these other apps no longer had the ability to carry that feed because creating your own index is a big fucking pain in the ass and the average independent software developer would rather work on the experience and make categories and feature who he wants to because Apple would feature NPR,

00:39:26.000 PBS. So there's all these experiences that can be built and these app developers can compete with If you don't mind, Spotify, iHeart.

00:39:36.000 I'm just telling you, honest, we need to have an outside place.

00:39:40.000 I'm putting up my own money and people donate or not.

00:39:44.000 And I love that structure.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, I think we can retool it to a platform of value.

00:39:50.000 I mean, have ideas.

00:39:52.000 So this will be ready like soon.

00:39:55.000 There's always certainly a concern when any company has a relative monopoly, whether it's YouTube or iTunes.

00:40:03.000 And they're not bad.

00:40:03.000 They've been great guys.

00:40:05.000 But what we were talking about with YouTube, managing its scale is almost impossible.

00:40:09.000 And I think people tend to lean towards control and minimizing damage, right?

00:40:16.000 So if you're dealing with 31 million different YouTube channels, and then you have how many different videos each one of them puts out, If you're thrust into this situation, what do you think the amount of videos every day that go through YouTube's net is?

00:40:33.000 Let's guess that.

00:40:34.000 It's hundreds of millions of hours.

00:40:36.000 500 hours a minute.

00:40:37.000 Oh my god!

00:40:40.000 By the way, YouTube's money...

00:40:41.000 You should never live long enough to watch everything on YouTube.

00:40:45.000 500 hours a minute? 0.99

00:40:47.000 Yeah, YouTube's real money comes from all those cat videos and other shit. 0.99

00:40:52.000 That's the long tail. 0.96

00:40:53.000 That's where all the real money is.

00:40:54.000 We get pretty long views.

00:40:57.000 But as an elite messaging system, it's all breaking down.

00:41:01.000 That's kind of the problem.

00:41:02.000 Well, the problem is it's not decentralized.

00:41:04.000 Right?

00:41:05.000 The problem is there's a company that's in control of it rather than it being in control by the people that are using it.

00:41:13.000 This is the problem with all of Silicon Valley. 0.99

00:41:16.000 I fucking hate them for this. 0.99

00:41:17.000 And that's why I have a flip phone. 0.99

00:41:19.000 I love your technology. 1.00

00:41:20.000 I hate your fucking business model. 0.99

00:41:23.000 But I think that their situation, if I could just for a second, I think it's unmanageable. 1.00

00:41:28.000 And I think when they look at their ethics and what they want to do with community and their standards in terms of society, They think it's almost unmanageable if you allow people to harass people or say terrible words or attack people or say crazy shit about 9-11 or promote some weird things about the earth being flat and the moon being fake.

00:41:49.000 There's something about them that they just want to stop it! 0.93

00:41:52.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:41:53.000 It's not true!

00:41:54.000 Stop it! 0.99

00:41:54.000 You want to step in. 0.99

00:41:55.000 Well, why do you think that is?

00:41:56.000 Well, it's just human nature, man.

00:41:58.000 It's an ideology.

00:41:59.000 There's ideology.

00:42:00.000 No, but why do you think they want to stop it?

00:42:02.000 I think they want to stop it because it doesn't align with what they've accepted as important enough to talk about.

00:42:10.000 But the problem with telling people what's important enough to talk about is if someone has a crazy idea like, hey man, the earth is hollow and aliens live inside of it.

00:42:18.000 You have to be able to say, well...

00:42:19.000 Certainly one theory.

00:42:20.000 Someone has to be able to come along and say, hey, this is how we know the Earth's not hollow, and this is how we measure the density of the Earth.

00:42:27.000 This is how we know about the core. 0.99

00:42:30.000 The problem is not that these people are influencing other morons. 0.99

00:42:35.000 The problem is that there's a massive failure in education. 1.00

00:42:40.000 You can't suck me into a flat earth video, man.

00:42:43.000 You can't.

00:42:45.000 I mean, I didn't spend a whole lot of time in school, but I understand psychology.

00:42:51.000 I understand from the point of not trusting people. 1.00

00:42:54.000 I know when people are full of shit. 0.99

00:42:56.000 And when someone is making a video, they're the one who has all the information about the fact that the world is hollow and that there's aliens that live inside of it. 1.00

00:43:05.000 It's an attractive myth.

00:43:06.000 It pulls you in.

00:43:08.000 But I understand what people are doing.

00:43:11.000 I think all of this does have a benefit.

00:43:13.000 I think so too.

00:43:14.000 Conspiracy theories, QAnon, vaxxers, anti-vaxxers.

00:43:19.000 It doesn't really matter.

00:43:21.000 The Wayfair, children being shipped in cabinets, the adrenochrome, the celebrities eating children and babies and horrible things.

00:43:29.000 All of that, what that does is it Is getting people to, and this is why I think they want it to be stopped, or people want it to be stopped, because at least people are looking at other things and consuming things and making decisions and saying, okay,

00:43:44.000 maybe I should question this, question that.

00:43:47.000 This does have a way of getting people to be more aware and question more things, and that, in its basis, I think is really good.

00:43:54.000 We've got training wheels on probably right now.

00:43:57.000 People have no idea.

00:43:58.000 We still have tailbones, Joe Rogan.

00:44:01.000 Hey, that sounded Jamaican.

00:44:03.000 We still have tailbones, Joe Rogan.

00:44:05.000 It's all Iron Man.

00:44:06.000 Yeah, we do.

00:44:07.000 So what is this doing to us?

00:44:09.000 What is this instant access everywhere doing to us?

00:44:12.000 Well, it's certainly having an effect on how we view and what our expectations are of reality.

00:44:18.000 The way we view reality is totally different now.

00:44:22.000 The idea of running around without a phone is preposterous.

00:44:25.000 The idea of not having a navigation system on your car is preposterous.

00:44:30.000 I have one car that doesn't have AC, it doesn't have...

00:44:35.000 Oh, it's a Porsche.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, the little 911 from 1993. It's raw as fuck, man. 1.00

00:44:41.000 I had an 84 911 Carrera. 1.00

00:44:44.000 It doesn't have power steering.

00:44:45.000 No, no.

00:44:46.000 And the thing that happens when you...

00:44:48.000 If you're forced into that situation where you have to drive something like that, you go, oh, I've got to pay attention to everything.

00:44:53.000 You can get into a drone state, just follow...

00:44:56.000 Left in one quarter of a mile...

00:44:59.000 On Bridge Road, you're like, oh Bridge Road, time to turn left.

00:45:04.000 And you just, you get into a zombie.

00:45:06.000 Well, so that's part, so my not having a smartphone with me is not because of, I mean, we're being tracked, there's all kinds of ways to track.

00:45:14.000 What?

00:45:15.000 It's more about...

00:45:16.000 Wait a minute.

00:45:17.000 You think we're being tracked?

00:45:19.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 Russia or China?

00:45:20.000 Or maybe our own? 1.00

00:45:21.000 Fucking commercial companies. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Nancy Pelosi. 1.00

00:45:22.000 They can sell it to whoever they want. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Google! 0.80

00:45:25.000 The US government doesn't have to spy on you.

00:45:27.000 They just go to Google or 10 other companies and buy your location data.

00:45:31.000 Is the problem that we gave up the commodity of data?

00:45:35.000 We gave it up.

00:45:36.000 No, we just need to be responsible and create less data and be smarter about it.

00:45:41.000 First of all, I got enough problems in my life.

00:45:44.000 I don't want to be notified all the time when I'm moving around.

00:45:47.000 But could that have been stopped had we had a time machine?

00:45:51.000 And you could understand what data would be in 2020 versus in 1998. We've gone back and went, wait a minute, wait a minute, stop.

00:45:58.000 Data is a massive commodity that's worth billions and billions of dollars, and we are treating it like it's not important.

00:46:04.000 We're treating it like the content is the most important thing on the internet.

00:46:08.000 But clearly, the thing that generates the most money for Google and Facebook and everybody else is not that, right?

00:46:16.000 What is it?

00:46:19.000 For sure, it's the data.

00:46:21.000 It's finding out where people live, what they buy, what their interests are, what websites you visit.

00:46:26.000 Building a shadow profile of you, yes.

00:46:28.000 How much money do you have?

00:46:29.000 What do you do online shopping?

00:46:31.000 Do you use Visa, American Express?

00:46:33.000 This is why Silicon Valley is competing with the Federal Reserve to be your bank.

00:46:38.000 Everybody wants to be your bank, baby.

00:46:40.000 Everybody wants it, because that's when they control you.

00:46:42.000 But that's also when you get loans at negative interest rate, so they actually pay you to take the loan, to which you can pay off your student loan.

00:46:50.000 You're scaring the fuck out of me. 0.73

00:46:51.000 No, no. 0.96

00:46:52.000 This is what you wanted.

00:46:52.000 You wanted universal basic income.

00:46:54.000 Here it comes.

00:46:56.000 And, by the way, it's going to work.

00:46:58.000 This is the crazy thing.

00:46:59.000 Now, the control will also work.

00:47:01.000 But the economy will be steerable.

00:47:04.000 I think that part will really work.

00:47:06.000 But let me tell you, the apocalypse is coming and you're going to need a Bitcoin.

00:47:10.000 At least one.

00:47:11.000 Are you a Bitcoin salesman, Adam Curry?

00:47:14.000 No, no.

00:47:14.000 I was very anti-Bitcoin.

00:47:16.000 Really?

00:47:17.000 I was very anti-Bitcoin until I sold a shitload of them at like $900 and I could have really...

00:47:25.000 Made a lot of money.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, I got them for nothing.

00:47:28.000 People just gave them to me in the beginning and I denied it. 0.96

00:47:31.000 And then when you look at 10 years, I'm like, okay, fuck all the altcoins and all that stuff. 0.95

00:47:37.000 That's what I was going to ask you. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Nah, I don't give a shit about that. 0.98

00:47:39.000 It's a store of value for me. 0.99

00:47:41.000 Here's the question about Bitcoin.

00:47:42.000 Is there a risk in having that be the standard?

00:47:45.000 Like, why can't there be competing cryptocurrencies?

00:47:47.000 Do we have to get committed to one?

00:47:50.000 And if we do get committed to one, is there the possibility of some sort of manipulation, the same way we've seen with All the other currencies, when people get involved.

00:47:59.000 Ten years of data have shown that Bitcoin really is the only one that you can trust.

00:48:04.000 Really?

00:48:05.000 Is that true?

00:48:05.000 I just said right for no reason.

00:48:07.000 Yeah, the way I see it, that's really the only one that you cannot manipulate and all of the other coins are based off of it.

00:48:16.000 Do you know Andreas Antonopoulos?

00:48:19.000 No, the name rings a bell.

00:48:20.000 I know Max Keiser.

00:48:23.000 I've learned a lot.

00:48:27.000 Max has been saying this from day one.

00:48:30.000 Anyway, so we have enough historical information to see that that is increased in value no matter what you look at.

00:48:36.000 The US dollar, back to my $5,000 truck in the 70s, $50,000 now, that value of that dollar has diminished by 10%.

00:48:45.000 Because they've just been printing more and more money.

00:48:47.000 Is that why?

00:48:48.000 Or because of communists?

00:48:50.000 Is that what it is?

00:48:52.000 Yeah, well, of course.

00:48:53.000 Hippies and communists?

00:48:54.000 So, for sure, the United States ruined the USSR with financial trickery. 0.62

00:49:01.000 For sure.

00:49:02.000 But now we're just at the end of our rope.

00:49:03.000 Wasn't a lot of it the space race?

00:49:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:09.000 Don't take me there, Joe Rogan.

00:49:11.000 That wasn't financial trickery.

00:49:11.000 There's no way.

00:49:12.000 It was all about devaluation.

00:49:14.000 It was really quite amazing.

00:49:17.000 Multiple levels of manipulation. 1.00

00:49:18.000 We fucked them good. 1.00

00:49:18.000 We fucked them real good. 1.00

00:49:20.000 You know, a friend of mine who's a computer wizard was doing this thing where he was tracing these certain pages that were organizing, like, Antifa rallies. 0.99

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:33.000 And he would follow the IP back to Russia.

00:49:35.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:49:38.000 Maybe Russia, maybe China. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Hillary Clinton called them techno-experts, and we sent them in to the fucking Balkans. 0.99

00:49:46.000 Ukraine, we did all that. 0.98

00:49:47.000 That's all our techno-experts.

00:49:49.000 Right now you have Belarus.

00:49:52.000 You know, people are protesting, and it's really being organized around one telegram channel called Nextra, and these guys worked for U.S. State Department.

00:50:02.000 You know, they got pictures and selfies of themselves in the State Department.

00:50:05.000 You know, they're obviously some kind of propaganda outfit, but they have, you know, two million followers, and those people are like, okay, we go protest over here, a lot like Black Lives Matter.

00:50:15.000 You know, this stuff is being coordinated.

00:50:17.000 Again, with this, it's so important to talk about nuance and not being connected to any ideas.

00:50:23.000 This is just my view, man.

00:50:24.000 This is what I'm thinking today, bro.

00:50:26.000 I got no agenda, literally.

00:50:28.000 I think you're right.

00:50:29.000 You're also not right.

00:50:31.000 There's also a bunch of people that are involved in that that really have good intentions.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, of course.

00:50:34.000 I'm generalizing to the max.

00:50:36.000 No, no, you're not even generalizing.

00:50:38.000 You're stating a fact that foreign interests are manipulating our outrage.

00:50:42.000 That's a fact.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, but we're also doing it to other countries.

00:50:45.000 We are.

00:50:45.000 And we're doing it internally as well.

00:50:47.000 Do you know who Rene DeRost is?

00:50:49.000 Yes, she was...

00:50:51.000 She's been on this podcast.

00:50:52.000 Yeah, it's very interesting because that company that she worked for actually apparently worked for the special election in Georgia, I think it was, and actually applied some of those tactics.

00:51:02.000 Is that for sure, 100%? 0.99

00:51:06.000 I don't know, shit 100%. 1.00

00:51:07.000 I think, I think, I think. 1.00

00:51:09.000 Maybe that is true with the company that she worked for, but I don't believe...

00:51:12.000 She may not have been involved in it anymore.

00:51:13.000 I do not believe she would have been.

00:51:14.000 She's a very interesting person.

00:51:16.000 They knew how to do it.

00:51:17.000 They had figured out how to do this stuff.

00:51:18.000 Her podcast with Sam Harris, have you ever listened to it?

00:51:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:21.000 It's amazing.

00:51:22.000 I've heard...

00:51:22.000 It's a couple years back, maybe two years back.

00:51:24.000 And that's around the time...

00:51:26.000 Jamie, when was she on here?

00:51:27.000 What was the name of that group she was with?

00:51:29.000 Because it was a foundation, then it turned into a company.

00:51:32.000 And the Data for Democracy.

00:51:33.000 And I know a bunch of people said...

00:51:35.000 What was the first one?

00:51:35.000 New Knowledge.

00:51:36.000 New Knowledge, that's what it was.

00:51:37.000 I know a bunch of people said that they were involved in some things that mirrored some of the things she was talking about, but I'm like...

00:51:42.000 Maybe they were, but I don't think that's for her.

00:51:45.000 She's not the company she works for, she's an individual. 0.66

00:51:49.000 Right.

00:51:49.000 Absolutely, absolutely.

00:51:51.000 But as an individual talking to her about all these different memes and all these different companies that were, these people that were involved in Russia from the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, they're actively manipulating outrage. 0.99

00:52:05.000 They're trying to fuck with people. 0.93

00:52:06.000 They're trying to make people upset, and it's working. 1.00

00:52:08.000 Yeah, but this is being done by everyone's doing this.

00:52:12.000 They're marketing companies doing it for their clients.

00:52:15.000 They're fast food companies, Burger King and McDonald's.

00:52:17.000 Are they going to war?

00:52:18.000 They're like slam fest on social media all the time. 1.00

00:52:21.000 They're like upping one other, fuck you Burger King, fuck you Pizza Hut. 1.00

00:52:25.000 This is completely cultural. 1.00

00:52:27.000 Shit is changing, man. 1.00

00:52:29.000 They're all lucky that In-N-Out is a silent killer. 1.00

00:52:33.000 In-N-Out just goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:52:35.000 Go ahead with your ads, you fucking idiots. 1.00

00:52:38.000 Have you tried our Whataburger? 1.00

00:52:39.000 You like Whataburger?

00:52:40.000 You guys are cute with your Whataburger comparison to In-N-Out. 1.00

00:52:43.000 You can eat shit. 1.00

00:52:44.000 And by the way, even In-N-Out loses to five guys. 1.00

00:52:50.000 How about that?

00:52:51.000 Whataburger uses special people to serve.

00:52:54.000 Five guys uses jalapenos.

00:52:56.000 You know what I'm talking about, James.

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:59.000 Murderers?

00:53:00.000 So we have mentally challenged people serving you at Whataburger. 0.98

00:53:04.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:53:04.000 And they're fucking fantastic. 1.00

00:53:06.000 Oh, well that's cool. 0.99

00:53:07.000 And they will talk about the ketchup and they recognize you.

00:53:10.000 What if you're in a hurry?

00:53:12.000 Then you should not be going to Whataburger. 1.00

00:53:14.000 Go to fucking Whataburger there. 0.99

00:53:15.000 Five guys, whatever you want. 1.00

00:53:16.000 You do not deserve the Whataburger experience.

00:53:19.000 You can't be in a hurry at either one of those places.

00:53:21.000 Both of those, the reason why they're awesome is they cook them right in front of you.

00:53:25.000 See, it's like, cook them right in front of you or I hate myself and I want Jack in the Box.

00:53:30.000 Those are the questions that we need to answer.

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 I'm really only a Burger King or McDonald's guy.

00:53:36.000 Dude, my issue would be late at night coming home from comedy if I was exhausted and tired.

00:53:40.000 I did like two shows, the Irvine Improv, then I drove the hour. 0.99

00:53:44.000 I'm going to stop at McDonald's and eat three filet of fish like a fucking wolf. 0.99

00:53:48.000 I need it. 0.99

00:53:49.000 Hey man, are you going to miss your hang there at the comedy store?

00:53:52.000 It doesn't exist right now and it's currently banned.

00:53:55.000 You know what's not banned?

00:53:57.000 Alcohol.

00:53:57.000 Alright brother, cheers.

00:53:58.000 Alcohol is somehow or another better than jokes.

00:54:01.000 Cheers.

00:54:03.000 People are drinking themselves to death and hanging themselves with ceiling fans.

00:54:06.000 So I need to talk to you about the division part, because we can do something about this.

00:54:11.000 I think we can.

00:54:12.000 The division part. 0.99

00:54:13.000 I'm reluctantly coming to the acceptance that this stupid fucking show that I created a long time ago with Brian Redman and young Jamie Vernon has some sort of social responsibility. 0.99

00:54:28.000 I mean, it's the amount of people that listen. 1.00

00:54:31.000 I'm a moron. 1.00

00:54:34.000 You're not supposed to be taking advice from me. 0.99

00:54:36.000 If I connect you to people that are interesting, congratulations.

00:54:39.000 But trust me, I, like you, am trying to figure my own things out.

00:54:43.000 If I'm 13 steps ahead in terms of like we're running a marathon, 13 steps ahead of you or 13 steps behind, we're all doing the same thing.

00:54:53.000 We're all just trying to get better.

00:54:54.000 Wherever we are, at any point in time, we're trying to get better.

00:54:57.000 And the best thing that anybody could ever encourage you to do is think for yourself.

00:55:03.000 Use real, critical thinking.

00:55:06.000 Don't connect yourself because...

00:55:08.000 Look, people drive by me with American flags. 0.98

00:55:11.000 I'm a sucker, okay? 0.99

00:55:12.000 I'm a sucker for America. 0.99

00:55:14.000 I love America!

00:55:15.000 My grandparents came here from Italy. 0.99

00:55:18.000 They had a great goddamn time. 0.99

00:55:19.000 They created my mom, they created me, and my sister. 1.00

00:55:23.000 We are Americans. 1.00

00:55:25.000 So I see that flag, I'm like, fuck yeah! 1.00

00:55:27.000 America, baby. 1.00

00:55:28.000 Fucking America! 1.00

00:55:31.000 But I think there's a problem with any kind of teams. 1.00

00:55:34.000 There's a problem with any time we look at each other like we're, I'm a this and you're a that, so fuck you. 0.99

00:55:41.000 And I think we need, this is what we need to abandon. 0.99

00:55:44.000 We need to abandon our attachments to ideologies, even ideologies that we haven't recognized as ideologies. 0.98

00:55:52.000 Like, you know, like, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:55:55.000 The problem is not brown pride. 0.99

00:55:58.000 Like, Cain Velasquez, you know who he is?

00:56:00.000 No.

00:56:01.000 He's like one of the greatest UFC heavyweights of all time.

00:56:03.000 The only thing that kept him from being the GOAT, the greatest of all time ever, is the fact that he kept getting injured.

00:56:11.000 He had a bunch of injuries, like shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries, back surgery.

00:56:15.000 He had a cage put around his spine. 0.99

00:56:19.000 But part of the problem was his will to fuck people up was stronger than his body. 0.99

00:56:25.000 And so he would push his body past its limits and he just kept getting injured. 0.99

00:56:30.000 But that's also what made him so special.

00:56:32.000 Because when he was on top, he would just smash people.

00:56:36.000 Just run through them. 1.00

00:56:37.000 He's the most American motherfucker of all time because his dad walked here from Mexico. 1.00

00:56:42.000 His dad walked! 1.00

00:56:44.000 Walked!

00:56:45.000 From Mexico.

00:56:46.000 He lives in San Jose.

00:56:49.000 You know how long that took? 0.95

00:56:50.000 That's a long fucking walk and his dad worked hard and gave him a life and then he became, in my opinion, when he was at his best, the greatest heavyweight I've ever seen. 0.99

00:57:00.000 In my opinion. 0.99

00:57:01.000 He was a force of nature.

00:57:03.000 Insane cardio.

00:57:04.000 But his ability to overcome...

00:57:07.000 He could push through things that other people weren't willing to.

00:57:12.000 That's why his body fell apart.

00:57:14.000 His knees blew out.

00:57:15.000 His back blew out.

00:57:15.000 Everything broke.

00:57:16.000 But it was because his mind was so strong.

00:57:19.000 Right.

00:57:20.000 That's America.

00:57:21.000 That's America.

00:57:22.000 That's as America as it gets.

00:57:24.000 As are my roots from Ireland, Scotland, Germany, exactly the same.

00:57:29.000 So what if...

00:57:31.000 We're very sensitive.

00:57:32.000 I think the root of most of this is coming from the racial issue, black-white. 0.76

00:57:36.000 And we need to define some terms.

00:57:39.000 And this, I think, is very helpful.

00:57:42.000 Instead of saying African American, black American, black, negro, whatever we've had in the past, I prefer ADOS, which is a lot of people understand this now, which is American descendant of slavery.

00:57:56.000 That makes very clear who you're talking about.

00:57:59.000 So you can say black, but Kamala Harris, not black. 0.74

00:58:03.000 Black, yes. 0.79

00:58:04.000 Black in color, but not American descendant of slavery.

00:58:07.000 So you would make a clear distinction between an American descendant of slavery and someone who came from Nigeria. 0.99

00:58:12.000 If we want to fucking fix our country, yeah. 0.96

00:58:13.000 Yeah, we got to do that. 0.98

00:58:15.000 If we want to fix our country, this is what we have to do. 0.86

00:58:17.000 Malcolm X said before he became, you know, Nation of Islam, crazy, a little off the radar for me. 1.00

00:58:23.000 He said, the only way to fix the racial problem in the United States of America is to have a white man and a black man sit down at the table and work the fucking shit out. 1.00

00:58:31.000 That's what he said. 1.00

00:58:32.000 I've been doing that for a year.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:34.000 Because of a podcast, MoFax, with Adam Curry.

00:58:38.000 But I've been talking to this.

00:58:39.000 I like how he did that.

00:58:39.000 I've been talking to this.

00:58:40.000 This is exactly what happened.

00:58:41.000 He started calling me, explaining to me what ADOS was.

00:58:43.000 I was trying to figure it out on No Agenda.

00:58:46.000 And we were talking for an hour once a week. 1.00

00:58:48.000 I said, fuck it, this is a podcast. 0.99

00:58:50.000 And I have gotten an education in his... 0.99

00:58:52.000 Does he have a website?

00:58:53.000 Who is he?

00:58:54.000 MoFacts.com.

00:58:55.000 M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z. MoFacts.com.

00:58:59.000 Is that his real name?

00:59:00.000 His name is Mo.

00:59:01.000 That's short for Maurice.

00:59:02.000 But it's not Fax.

00:59:03.000 Is that his last name?

00:59:04.000 No.

00:59:04.000 Imagine if it was.

00:59:06.000 It's like he was born for this.

00:59:07.000 He's like the Dalai Lama.

00:59:09.000 Well, it's like Trump is 45 Savage.

00:59:11.000 You know, you gotta have your...

00:59:12.000 What does that mean?

00:59:13.000 45 Savage, 45th President, 45 Savage.

00:59:16.000 What is 45 Savage?

00:59:17.000 That's President Trump.

00:59:19.000 But what...

00:59:19.000 That's his nickname.

00:59:20.000 It's a rapper called 21 Savage, yeah.

00:59:22.000 Oh! 0.60

00:59:23.000 Hello, bro.

00:59:24.000 Hello.

00:59:25.000 Somehow or another, I'm younger than you, but older than you.

00:59:28.000 I got lucky this time. 0.98

00:59:29.000 I got fucking lucky. 0.98

00:59:30.000 Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. 0.98

00:59:32.000 I'm listening to country music lately.

00:59:33.000 What if our problem...

00:59:35.000 Okay.

00:59:36.000 So when you have ADOS, American Descendants of Slavery, which Mo is one. 0.89

00:59:42.000 Right. 0.99

00:59:42.000 If you have ADOS, when politicians say the black and brown community, they feel fucked. 0.99

00:59:50.000 Because this is a group of very special Americans who deserve to be recognized as such. 1.00

00:59:57.000 This is why they've always been led down the path of voting Democrat, and now all this shit is in play. 0.99

01:00:02.000 So that's why black-white is always played on us, because that's our weak spot. 1.00

01:00:06.000 That's our Achilles heel.

01:00:08.000 We're embarrassed about it.

01:00:09.000 Yeah, I agree with you. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Fuck yeah, America. 1.00

01:00:12.000 I love my country. 1.00

01:00:13.000 I love our country, but we have some fucked up shit. 1.00

01:00:17.000 Instead of dealing with it, we're letting other people hijack us over it. 1.00

01:00:20.000 That's what's going on here.

01:00:22.000 And it's not racism that we suffer from.

01:00:25.000 It's nepotism.

01:00:27.000 It's nepotism.

01:00:29.000 And I'll explain why.

01:00:30.000 If it truly was...

01:00:31.000 And I can tell you, systemic racism absolutely existed in America.

01:00:35.000 And it went all the way up into the 70s with no man-about-the-house rule.

01:00:40.000 When they came up from the South and went into the projects created by, I guess, FDR. And, you know, because they typically ate their own food, now they're coming here to work. 0.60

01:00:51.000 So the projects were created on welfare, but you could not have a man in the house. 0.89

01:00:55.000 And this went into the 70s, the patrols, making sure that there was no family with children and a father.

01:01:01.000 Now we have 75% of all children in America without a father in the household.

01:01:08.000 You and I, we've got parent privilege.

01:01:10.000 We're not white privilege, parent privilege.

01:01:12.000 A man. 0.99

01:01:13.000 My dad didn't work out that great with us, but he did put some shit into me. 0.99

01:01:19.000 And he was around, and that influence was there. 0.98

01:01:23.000 That's our problem.

01:01:24.000 Who's running Black Lives Matter? 0.89

01:01:26.000 Name me one male leader of Black Lives Matter.

01:01:30.000 No.

01:01:30.000 It's all women.

01:01:31.000 And I have no problem with it.

01:01:33.000 But I do question what's going on here.

01:01:36.000 I can't argue with you because I don't know who the leaders are.

01:01:40.000 Oh, Patrisse Cullors.

01:01:42.000 There's a number of women who... 1.00

01:01:44.000 And they all come from old, radical, kind of Marxist...

01:01:49.000 Just one more thing.

01:01:51.000 True communists in 1936 tried to—they wanted to come and overthrow America. 0.62

01:01:56.000 This has been going on for a long time.

01:01:58.000 We tried to export democracy.

01:02:00.000 They tried to bring socialism into us.

01:02:02.000 Clear.

01:02:03.000 We do it by blowing your country up and rebuilding it. 0.91

01:02:06.000 And they do it other ways.

01:02:08.000 They came in. 0.60

01:02:09.000 They wanted to propagate this message.

01:02:11.000 And no white people came. 0.99

01:02:13.000 But the poor black people came. 1.00

01:02:15.000 And so they became very associated with Marxism and leftist ideas.

01:02:20.000 And they were basically taken through into what is today, I guess, the Democratic Party.

01:02:24.000 And that's not working anymore because there's just strife and there's no real solutions.

01:02:29.000 And even the first African-American president, not ADOS, Didn't really deliver for them. 0.96

01:02:37.000 So this election, this time right now, they're fucking with us because of this one thing, for their own power, left and right. 0.99

01:02:52.000 Oh, man. 0.99

01:02:53.000 That was an excellent joint I smoked earlier.

01:02:56.000 It's very good.

01:02:56.000 Very good stuff.

01:02:58.000 Congratulations.

01:02:59.000 Thank you.

01:02:59.000 Is it possible that we're in this weird state with people because we've decided that we're losing power in other aspects of our life, so we're getting more and more determined to take it back in other places?

01:03:17.000 Because of the fact that so many people have been denied the ability to make a living, I mean, it's kind of crazy.

01:03:22.000 I mean, I don't know what to think about it, but it seems to me that if I'm allowed to go to certain essential businesses with a mask on and no one's dying, I mean, if I'm going to a supermarket and everyone's wearing a mask, everybody seems okay, right?

01:03:36.000 And scientists seem to think they're okay.

01:03:38.000 At what point in time do we allow that for everywhere?

01:03:42.000 And at what point in time do we allow people to take chances?

01:03:46.000 We allow people to flip dirt bikes. 0.99

01:03:49.000 We allow people to fucking jump out of helicopters. 1.00

01:03:52.000 We allow people to do all kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

01:03:55.000 We allow people to wingsuit. 0.99

01:03:57.000 Why don't we allow people to not wear a mask?

01:04:00.000 Why don't we allow people to open up their business? 0.91

01:04:03.000 Why don't we allow people to do whatever they wanted to?

01:04:05.000 Is it really the right?

01:04:07.000 And the idea is, well, you have to protect the other people.

01:04:10.000 I agree, you do have to protect the other people.

01:04:13.000 But one of the things that's going to make the other people more vulnerable is to collapse the economy.

01:04:18.000 And we're not saying that for some reason.

01:04:19.000 There's this weird thing where politicians want you to love them.

01:04:23.000 And they want you to love them.

01:04:24.000 So if you are leaning towards defunding the police and making sure that all the socialism ideas get accepted into major universities and it gets taught in the curriculum and grade school, if you drone on enough and the person who's running for mayor knows the only way that they can win is to embrace your ideas, 0.96

01:04:45.000 they're going to fucking do it. 0.98

01:04:47.000 We got a dirty system. 1.00

01:04:48.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:04:50.000 And you should be able to vote from your phone, right?

01:04:52.000 But you can't, right? 0.99

01:04:54.000 So we got this weird, corrupted, fucking intertwined system that... 0.99

01:04:58.000 I mean, it's all voodoo. 0.99

01:05:01.000 Well, first of all, every country gets the government she deserves. 0.87

01:05:05.000 The question is not, why do we allow people to tell us what to do? 0.98

01:05:10.000 It is, why are we allowing them to actually tell us what to fucking do? 0.97

01:05:15.000 Seriously, we are afraid. 0.98

01:05:19.000 The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

01:05:21.000 This is a good one.

01:05:22.000 It's one thing to say, the plane might crash, the car might crash, you might get hit by a car, you might die of an overdose. 1.00

01:05:28.000 It's another thing to say, some other fucker without a mask might kill you, bitch. 1.00

01:05:32.000 That's some real fucking fear and that's not to be taken lightly. 1.00

01:05:36.000 That is not to be taken lightly. 0.99

01:05:38.000 Fucked with us over this.

01:05:40.000 I don't care whether it's true or not or what's true or not, the cavalier nature of this shutdown and fear and colors and stages and numbers and charts and connecting it to the stock markets. 0.95

01:05:52.000 I don't like that about President Trump at all.

01:05:55.000 But see, he looks at what he calls the economy.

01:05:58.000 I don't know if he's behind this digital dollar or not, but I think we're all going to be taken care of.

01:06:02.000 The $10 million are going to be on a universal basic income, and that's going to happen.

01:06:07.000 I'm not worried about that.

01:06:09.000 But what are we left with, and just where do we go from there, is going to be the question.

01:06:15.000 Because what is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' slogan?

01:06:19.000 Do you know what their slogan is?

01:06:22.000 Brain damage in prison time? 1.00

01:06:23.000 Fuck, it should be. 1.00

01:06:26.000 Build back better. 1.00

01:06:30.000 That's pretty clever.

01:06:33.000 Okay.

01:06:34.000 It's so clever that the same slogan is used by the United Nations, the Green New Deal organization, 350.org.

01:06:44.000 Boris Johnson is using it as his campaign.

01:06:47.000 Francois Macron using it as his campaign.

01:06:50.000 Justin Trudeau, build back better.

01:06:53.000 This is a globalist plan...

01:06:55.000 Build back better.

01:06:56.000 What does that mean?

01:06:57.000 It means we're going to shut down all coal and gas and fracking and we're going as much as possible to transition to solar and wind.

01:07:12.000 Doesn't that sound like a good idea if it's feasible?

01:07:14.000 Yeah, I don't think it's feasible.

01:07:16.000 But what is being promised with the Green New Deal is we will create good-paying, green new jobs.

01:07:23.000 Now, that's just a philosophy whether you think it's good or not.

01:07:25.000 Right now, I don't think so.

01:07:26.000 But, for sure, I know that Bill Gates, who's a big part of this Green New Deal, that he's investing in nuclear plants.

01:07:36.000 Because when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow, you need some power and it's going to come from his nuclear plants.

01:07:42.000 How does Bill Gates have any ambition left?

01:07:46.000 Oh, man.

01:07:47.000 Maybe he's being blackmailed.

01:07:50.000 What do you think he knows?

01:07:52.000 No, I think he's being blackmailed with stuff he's done.

01:07:56.000 I don't know for sure.

01:07:57.000 He showed up without a sweater?

01:07:58.000 Allegedly.

01:07:59.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:08:00.000 Someone's got a picture of him with a tank top on doing the fucking most muscular. 0.98

01:08:05.000 Yeah, you can't... 0.98

01:08:06.000 This is another thing, man.

01:08:07.000 This whole Epstein business.

01:08:08.000 This has gotten millennials... 0.97

01:08:11.000 What's that?

01:08:12.000 Bill Gates meets with Jeffrey Epstein many times despite his past.

01:08:16.000 So this has gotten everyone nuts.

01:08:18.000 The kids are going like, ah, that guy...

01:08:20.000 And you know...

01:08:22.000 It's good, though, because there's something there, obviously.

01:08:25.000 There's obviously something there.

01:08:26.000 Obviously something there. 0.99

01:08:28.000 Who the fuck knows what it is? 0.99

01:08:29.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1.00

01:08:30.000 Stop.

01:08:31.000 You seem to be one of those guys who's really into conspiracies.

01:08:34.000 No.

01:08:35.000 Let me break this down.

01:08:36.000 Let me break this down.

01:08:37.000 There's no way there's anything more to what you're seeing in the news. 0.92

01:08:41.000 When it comes to a story, excuse me, please, sir, about a man who traveled to Fuck Island with Bill Clinton 26 times. 0.98

01:08:51.000 Did he fly with Bill 26 times or did he travel to Fuck Island? 0.98

01:08:54.000 The government just fined me. 0.99

01:08:55.000 They just took the money straight out of my digital dollar wallet. 0.98

01:08:58.000 Yeah, you thought you were fucking free with that flip phone. 0.98

01:09:02.000 Son, you're connected to the internet. 0.98

01:09:04.000 This is what's so beautiful, man.

01:09:06.000 You're in the universe.

01:09:08.000 I'm in the universe.

01:09:09.000 Dave Rubin's in the universe.

01:09:11.000 Ben Shapiro's in the universe.

01:09:12.000 Alex Jones is in the universe.

01:09:14.000 People are...

01:09:15.000 There's a whole new structure.

01:09:16.000 Yes.

01:09:18.000 We're out of control. 0.99

01:09:20.000 We don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

01:09:21.000 They're going to try and control all of us one way or the other. 0.99

01:09:24.000 Yes.

01:09:24.000 But the internet, we pretty much have that.

01:09:28.000 We got free reign, man.

01:09:29.000 We do, but we don't.

01:09:30.000 We got it.

01:09:30.000 Nah, we got so much.

01:09:31.000 We have a lot, but there's also a lot of censorship.

01:09:34.000 You don't need any of that.

01:09:36.000 You set up Mastodon.

01:09:37.000 You got your own network.

01:09:38.000 You don't need any of that.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, but let's be realistic.

01:09:41.000 When it comes down to it, Joe...

01:09:43.000 For sure.

01:09:44.000 But there's a lot of people that had prominent voices that are silenced.

01:09:48.000 Yeah.

01:09:48.000 Right?

01:09:49.000 But they're now very prominent in a much smaller circle.

01:09:52.000 I'm prominent in a circle.

01:09:54.000 It got bigger once I visited you and I hope that yours got bigger as well.

01:09:58.000 And the two can be completely unaware of each other and crossovers happen and the network starts to grow.

01:10:06.000 It's a whole new way of communicating.

01:10:09.000 No, I understand that, and I agree.

01:10:11.000 I know you appreciate it.

01:10:12.000 I do.

01:10:12.000 What's happening before, that you're a part of.

01:10:14.000 But there's certain people that just get banned forever from some social media platforms.

01:10:20.000 Yeah, but not from other ones.

01:10:21.000 That's my point.

01:10:23.000 Yeah, but in this environment, shouldn't we take into account, like if you were going to ban someone, if you were going to say, listen, there's a rational expectation that a person should be able to say your beliefs are not in the line with theirs, they're going to kick you off this business that they own.

01:10:40.000 Sure.

01:10:42.000 But when it gets to be YouTube and you've got 31 million subscribers, how many hours?

01:10:47.000 500 hours a minute.

01:10:49.000 500 hours a minute.

01:10:50.000 It's such a pipeline.

01:10:52.000 You can't tell me you're really monitoring this thing correctly.

01:10:55.000 It's not possible.

01:10:56.000 No, of course it's not.

01:10:57.000 That's why everything has to be distributed.

01:11:00.000 It has to break apart.

01:11:02.000 But I think there should be much more stringent rules on whether or not you can ban someone. 0.96

01:11:07.000 Oh, I so don't give a flying fuck about what Facebook or YouTube or Google do. 0.87

01:11:13.000 It's so unimportant in the vast scale of what we can do with the network. 0.98

01:11:18.000 I understand that, and I agree.

01:11:19.000 But in the individual, the person who has the YouTube channel, who has earned this position of prominence... 0.96

01:11:26.000 Yeah, and got screwed. 0.99

01:11:26.000 And got screwed. 0.99

01:11:27.000 That's not fair. 0.96

01:11:28.000 No, it's not fair.

01:11:30.000 It's also not rational that they could just do it.

01:11:32.000 They don't have to go through a lengthy court proceeding.

01:11:33.000 They could just remove your income. 0.62

01:11:35.000 Okay, a couple of things.

01:11:36.000 I believe on the commercial platforms that we're talking about in this case, the problem is the business model, advertisers don't like controversy.

01:11:45.000 Advertising has gone down drastically since the word coronavirus or COVID-19 was blocked because they didn't want controversy.

01:11:52.000 So that's the reason why these networks do it.

01:11:55.000 Yes, there's people who ban conservatives specifically, but that's because of the elite messaging system, the mainstream media, also the pharmaceutical industry, a lot of finance, is this message.

01:12:09.000 So that's what advertisers want. 0.98

01:12:11.000 Look at the pussies that the NBA are and Nike and how they kowtow to everybody. 0.99

01:12:16.000 Yes, I said it. 0.99

01:12:17.000 Look at how they kowtow and what they will and will not allow.

01:12:21.000 So that's all money-based.

01:12:23.000 Very capitalistic, by the way.

01:12:25.000 That's totally cool.

01:12:27.000 But now we go to the way you and I were raised.

01:12:32.000 You're 50?

01:12:34.000 You're 52?

01:12:34.000 53 now.

01:12:35.000 Yeah, I'm 56 tomorrow.

01:12:36.000 Basically halfway dead.

01:12:38.000 I want to be 106. I'm going to be 98. That's my target, 98. Why that number?

01:12:45.000 I don't know.

01:12:46.000 Well, my grandparents both lived to 98, my paternal grandparents.

01:12:51.000 The reason why I brought up Gavin is that I think that there...

01:12:54.000 I have had a couple podcasts with him, and people have had, like, weird conversations with me about it.

01:13:00.000 Sure, yeah.

01:13:00.000 And I've said...

01:13:01.000 This is one of the things that I've said.

01:13:02.000 I was like, look, that guy's mostly fun.

01:13:04.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 Mostly fun.

01:13:05.000 And like anybody that does wild shit... 1.00

01:13:09.000 You can get lost in the woods. 0.99

01:13:10.000 And if you get lost in the woods of race or whether or not people should be able to do drugs or whether or not people should get paid a minimum wage that's a livable wage, you get lost in the woods of any ideology and it becomes a problem.

01:13:27.000 For whatever reason, when someone shifts one way or another and we conflict with those ideas, we never give anybody any room for just being a person.

01:13:38.000 Most of the time, I've been around that guy.

01:13:40.000 He's a nice guy.

01:13:41.000 Right, but let's go to the basics of how I... There's two things I was taught growing up.

01:13:46.000 Sticks and stones will break my bones.

01:13:48.000 Names will never hurt me.

01:13:50.000 Secondary, I will... 1.00

01:13:52.000 That shit was created in the Depression. 1.00

01:13:54.000 Names are fucking terrible. 1.00

01:13:55.000 They're so mean. 1.00

01:13:56.000 Exactly.

01:13:57.000 And I can pinpoint when that happened, too.

01:14:00.000 So, we had that, and then the, I don't like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

01:14:07.000 These were the two core values that I was raised with.

01:14:10.000 That's so important.

01:14:10.000 That's what I'm talking about.

01:14:11.000 That's what I'm talking about with everybody, whether it's Alex Jones.

01:14:13.000 Those were the core values.

01:14:15.000 Gavin McGinnis.

01:14:15.000 And that is our constitutional deal.

01:14:18.000 Yes.

01:14:18.000 That's the deal.

01:14:19.000 And this includes Louis Farrakhan.

01:14:21.000 This includes everyone.

01:14:23.000 Everybody.

01:14:24.000 Mitch O'Connell.

01:14:25.000 Everybody.

01:14:26.000 Tell me what you think, bro.

01:14:27.000 Exactly.

01:14:27.000 Everybody.

01:14:28.000 Right?

01:14:28.000 All of them.

01:14:29.000 And this is so important.

01:14:31.000 The moment we stop other people from expressing their opinions, first of all, we are coddling everybody else.

01:14:38.000 Stop.

01:14:39.000 This is where it happened. 1.00

01:14:40.000 We're trying to pretend that other people are dumber than us. 1.00

01:14:43.000 Like, I know. 1.00

01:14:45.000 I know that that preacher's full of shit. 1.00

01:14:47.000 But I need to protect you, Adam Curry, because you might just give up your money for this one person because he needs a new jet. 1.00

01:14:54.000 Okay, so this started about six years ago when hate speech came into the conversation and bullying.

01:15:04.000 And bullying became bullying laws, which I remember because we were doing the show and we're like, this is an actual First Amendment violation to create a law that says you can't say something mean about somebody else. 0.98

01:15:19.000 That's bullshit.

01:15:20.000 Now, it may not be nice, it may not be appropriate in the setting, it may not be according to the school rules, but actual laws were created. 0.99

01:15:27.000 So now we have hate speech and hate crimes, which is really undefinable, but it's all, sadly, all...

01:15:35.000 Geared towards controlling. 0.99

01:15:37.000 What the fuck you can say? 0.99

01:15:39.000 Well, it's a natural human instinct when you have power to exert it. 1.00

01:15:43.000 It's natural.

01:15:45.000 It's why there's alphas and betas.

01:15:46.000 We're too good, man. 1.00

01:15:47.000 We're nice fucking people. 0.99

01:15:49.000 And we let us men be treated as doofuses in every single commercial, every TV show, Oh, sorry, honey. 0.99

01:15:56.000 I got the wrong washing powder.

01:15:57.000 Do you know why we do that? 1.00

01:15:59.000 Because we want to fuck. 1.00

01:16:00.000 I know. 1.00

01:16:01.000 We've got to get over that shit. 1.00

01:16:02.000 We've got to get over that shit. 0.99

01:16:04.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

01:16:05.000 I fucked up the laundry. 0.99

01:16:06.000 Once you learn that that woman is just as sex-crazed as you are, she just has a different way of expressing it. 1.00

01:16:12.000 Once you figure that out, and you play that game, and they play your game, and you're equal.

01:16:17.000 Don't you know the game? 0.99

01:16:18.000 And you're fucking equal, bro. 0.99

01:16:20.000 And that's when sparks fly. 0.99

01:16:21.000 I found that.

01:16:22.000 I'm telling you, I found that with my wife. 1.00

01:16:25.000 When that shit happens, that's it. 1.00

01:16:26.000 And this is what happened with Donald Trump. 1.00

01:16:29.000 This is what I truly believe happened.

01:16:31.000 I agree with you, by the way.

01:16:32.000 I'm joking around.

01:16:33.000 I know you do. 0.99

01:16:33.000 I love that you give me shit, because it makes it all coded, and people who are really listening will get it. 0.99

01:16:39.000 People are like, he's a supporter of Gavin McGinnis! 1.00

01:16:42.000 I'm a supporter of human beings!

01:16:44.000 They got triggered two hours ago.

01:16:46.000 I'm also a supporter of people that are radically left-wing that I don't agree with.

01:16:51.000 I think a lot of them just need hugs.

01:16:53.000 We need to be embraced by our community.

01:16:55.000 We dig our heels in, and we fight against anyone that we think opposes our safety, our security, and our comfort, and our ability to feel loved and to be happy.

01:17:08.000 Here's where you, in particular, can change the world.

01:17:12.000 Jesus Christ, Adam Curry.

01:17:13.000 I want to lay it on you, bro.

01:17:16.000 Yes, you can change the world. 1.00

01:17:18.000 Fucking pot, father. 0.99

01:17:19.000 And just by being... 1.00

01:17:20.000 By the way, shout out to Texas Silver Star Whiskey. 1.00

01:17:24.000 Yee-haw, motherfucker. 1.00

01:17:26.000 That's very good. 1.00

01:17:27.000 It's good shit. 1.00

01:17:28.000 It's very smooth. 1.00

01:17:30.000 What can I do to save the world?

01:17:32.000 I feel like I'm in a Watchmen movie.

01:17:33.000 Before all...

01:17:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:35.000 Before all this BLM stuff came in, it was male, toxic masculinity... 1.00

01:17:41.000 And a lot of it, of course, Me Too, and a lot of it Absolutely Right, and there's a lot of that bullshit, but... 0.99

01:17:49.000 We let them cut our gonads off, and we need to stand up a little bit. 0.99

01:17:54.000 Not that women can't do what we need to do right now, which is take control of the fucking situation in more ways than one, but we need to help shepherd them. 1.00

01:18:05.000 I know a lot of badass women, so do you, who could fuck anything and anybody up, and they're great and they could be great leaders, but we need to shepherd the whole civilization of men and women, in particular men and men with their families, Particularly in ADOS. That's where we need to see this happen. 1.00

01:18:22.000 And that's why Trump is going to probably sweep the election with a male black vote who are sick of this shit. 1.00

01:18:31.000 And they see it and their gonads dropped. 1.00

01:18:33.000 They went, you know what? 1.00

01:18:35.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:18:36.000 This is not a bad thing. 1.00

01:18:38.000 This is very, very good.

01:18:40.000 It's very good.

01:18:41.000 It's controversial, I'm sure, because people just don't like to hear that.

01:18:45.000 And I'm like you, man. 0.98

01:18:47.000 LGBT, LGBTQIA, PK +, I know the whole fucking acronym, forwards and backwards. 0.98

01:18:53.000 I grew up in Amsterdam. 0.98

01:18:56.000 Hello!

01:18:57.000 But I'm anti-war, you know? 0.99

01:18:59.000 I don't like spending like a motherfucker with the government. 0.98

01:19:02.000 I don't want a digital dollar, but I do want love and peace and everything that we can have. 1.00

01:19:08.000 This right-left stuff is bullshit. 0.96

01:19:09.000 It doesn't have to be either-or, right? 0.99

01:19:11.000 I vote across the board.

01:19:14.000 I'm like, oh, that guy, her, you know, here in Austin, no matter who's up there, I'm against them.

01:19:20.000 You know, the kind of prejudice that I receive is so minimal.

01:19:24.000 Oh, really?

01:19:25.000 It's offensive if you discuss it.

01:19:28.000 But one prejudice that I've always encountered is that I'm a bro. 0.99

01:19:33.000 What the fuck is that? 0.98

01:19:35.000 But it's valid. 0.99

01:19:37.000 It's the thing.

01:19:37.000 If I was someone who wasn't a bro and I saw me, I'd be like, that guy's a bro.

01:19:42.000 It's not bad that they look at it that way.

01:19:45.000 In a sense, it's their job.

01:19:48.000 If you're going to mock the opposing idea, and the opposing idea is easily mockable, as am I, you're supposed to do it.

01:19:57.000 It's mean.

01:19:58.000 It doesn't feel mean.

01:19:59.000 I understand.

01:20:00.000 It is.

01:20:01.000 It's mean.

01:20:01.000 It doesn't feel mean.

01:20:03.000 I'm okay.

01:20:04.000 Okay.

01:20:05.000 I just work out a lot.

01:20:06.000 I go through it all.

01:20:08.000 Whatever they're throwing at me, I burn it off.

01:20:11.000 It doesn't feel mean.

01:20:12.000 Because I was them.

01:20:13.000 I've been that person who was disenfranchised and lonely and disconnected and didn't have real close friends and didn't have a real community where I could say, I'm protected.

01:20:28.000 I'm connected.

01:20:29.000 I didn't have that.

01:20:31.000 So I understand all sorts of weird...

01:20:35.000 Unnecessary anger that people have.

01:20:37.000 But my perspective is we have to look at the world that we exist in currently as a series of pipelines to your consciousness.

01:20:48.000 And you have to limit the amount of entries because there's only a certain amount of bandwidth That you have to managing life.

01:20:57.000 If you have a thing you love, whether that thing is you are a songwriter and a singer, and you have these thoughts, these emotions that you wish you could figure out a way where other people could see the beauty in your perspective and to put it through a song that rhymes with the perfect notes on a guitar and just get into someone's consciousness and make them feel better.

01:21:20.000 You want to do that, right?

01:21:21.000 And this is what it is to be a person.

01:21:26.000 A lot of kids, 20 to 30, I just call them kids, are doing this now.

01:21:32.000 They're disconnecting, they're unhooking, they're getting flip phones, they got no cable subscription.

01:21:38.000 That's because they're poor, Adam Curry.

01:21:40.000 No.

01:21:41.000 It's income disparity.

01:21:42.000 They have to eat the rich.

01:21:44.000 I know several homeless guys, and they all have phones.

01:21:48.000 And they got data plans, and it's no problem.

01:21:50.000 You can be homeless in America with a smartphone.

01:21:53.000 In LA, that's the real problem.

01:21:55.000 You can camp.

01:21:56.000 It's the same here right now.

01:21:58.000 Minnesota doesn't have a whole lot of homeless people that make it in the winter.

01:22:02.000 No, no, no.

01:22:03.000 It's too hard out there.

01:22:04.000 You gotta get a job. 0.99

01:22:05.000 No, this is a dumb idea, the way Austin went about this. 0.98

01:22:10.000 Austin is not the worst. 1.00

01:22:12.000 L.A. is way dumber. 1.00

01:22:13.000 L.A. is preposterous. 1.00

01:22:14.000 It's so sad what has happened to all of California. 0.90

01:22:18.000 L.A. has Boulder, Colorado inside of it, but homeless people.

01:22:24.000 I mean, they don't even know what the numbers are.

01:22:26.000 They were 70,000 when the economy was booming.

01:22:30.000 When the economy was at its peak a couple of years ago, there were 70,000 homeless people in Los Angeles.

01:22:37.000 What's the current estimate?

01:22:39.000 I don't know.

01:22:41.000 But I think we talked about this before, that the primary cause of homelessness is catastrophic loss of family.

01:22:48.000 There's that, but there's also drug addiction.

01:22:50.000 But that comes along with it.

01:22:52.000 Yeah, maybe a lot of people are abused.

01:22:54.000 There's a lot of factors.

01:22:55.000 But I think a severe perturbance of your development emotionally, psychologically, as a child contributes greatly to you being a homeless person.

01:23:09.000 Even drug users are a community.

01:23:11.000 Yes.

01:23:12.000 So then they have their own community of drug use and scoring and whatever else.

01:23:16.000 But that's still a community.

01:23:17.000 I was under the bridge once, one of them underpasses that was a campground.

01:23:21.000 And I was looking at these dudes just hanging out, talking to each other.

01:23:25.000 I'm like, if you didn't have nothing, this might be a better place to be.

01:23:28.000 I want to take you to Community First Village here, just a little bit outside of Austin.

01:23:32.000 Are you trying to give me tuberculosis or some other sort of...

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:36.000 It'll blow your mind when you see this.

01:23:39.000 Typhus.

01:23:39.000 This is just small, tiny homes.

01:23:42.000 Okay.

01:23:42.000 This is a non-profit that set it up, and they're getting people back on their feet in their own community.

01:23:49.000 There's no policing.

01:23:50.000 It's really magical what's happening there.

01:23:52.000 This was my reason why I thought that universal basic income is a good idea.

01:23:59.000 What I thought of is not...

01:24:04.000 Not an impossible...

01:24:07.000 You could live off of it, sort of, but it's a struggle.

01:24:11.000 Just enough so you can get by.

01:24:13.000 That's the idea.

01:24:14.000 Just say, listen, there's something wrong if bankers can make a trillion dollars a month. 0.98

01:24:21.000 Whatever the fuck the number is, there's something wrong. 0.97

01:24:24.000 How about we do this? 0.99

01:24:25.000 Let's figure out a way to organize taxes, So that people get enough so that no one in America has to starve to death.

01:24:34.000 If we were kind people who are truly patriotic, the number one goal would be no one who lives in America should starve to death.

01:24:44.000 Right?

01:24:45.000 Correct.

01:24:46.000 That's number one.

01:24:46.000 And then from there, we move on to other things.

01:24:49.000 Right.

01:24:49.000 That's a good way to start.

01:24:51.000 And I'm here to tell you again, it's coming.

01:24:54.000 And I think the number will be $2,400 to $2,500 a month.

01:24:59.000 And anyone who has or is making less than $75,000 will get that.

01:25:08.000 That's ridiculous.

01:25:09.000 It's going to happen.

01:25:10.000 But if you make more than 50 grand a year, shouldn't you be on your own?

01:25:14.000 Like, listen, bro.

01:25:15.000 Help the system out.

01:25:16.000 Disconnect.

01:25:17.000 You want to try living in Austin on 50 grand a year?

01:25:19.000 I like tent living.

01:25:21.000 Yeah, well, okay.

01:25:22.000 You're in.

01:25:23.000 You're in.

01:25:24.000 You're in.

01:25:25.000 You're in.

01:25:25.000 Well, in that case, you're in.

01:25:28.000 No, you're right.

01:25:29.000 But what I'm saying is we don't want people starving to death.

01:25:32.000 No.

01:25:33.000 We don't want people ever being in a situation where they don't know where they're going to get shelter or where we're going to get food.

01:25:41.000 Hold on. 0.98

01:25:42.000 But is the situation where it's at because of unintended, uncontrollable circumstances like COVID where everybody's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:25:53.000 Who? 0.98

01:25:54.000 Who?

01:25:55.000 Who would have told you you need to have a year's supply of money and food?

01:26:00.000 No.

01:26:00.000 Nobody would have told you that, right?

01:26:02.000 But that's where we are now.

01:26:03.000 It's our mentality.

01:26:03.000 So you can't blame those people.

01:26:05.000 It's our mentality, our mentality, which went away from true community helping each other.

01:26:12.000 Often that was situated around a church.

01:26:14.000 That's why we have nuns still, kind of with the hospital services, all kinds of services, barter services with the butcher if you only had wheat, etc.

01:26:23.000 And we've moved towards this man in the middle. 1.00

01:26:25.000 Hey, my fucking neighbor's an asshole. 1.00

01:26:27.000 We don't go over anymore and talk to the neighbor and say, bro, can we talk? 1.00

01:26:30.000 No. 1.00

01:26:30.000 Hello, 911, my neighbor's being an asshole. 1.00

01:26:33.000 Everything we have a goddamn middleman for. 1.00

01:26:35.000 That is our own fault. 0.99

01:26:37.000 We need to realize that we do need to communicate.

01:26:40.000 Peer-to-peer at some point to have, you can't have a community if you're only talking through lawyers and meetings.

01:26:49.000 That's true. 0.99

01:26:49.000 But every now and then you get a neighbor like Rand Paul's neighbor, fucking tackles you and breaks your ribs. 0.99

01:26:56.000 What do you do? 0.99

01:26:57.000 Yeah, that can happen.

01:26:58.000 What do you do with that guy?

01:26:59.000 You need to have someone you can call.

01:27:01.000 No, I'm not against that.

01:27:02.000 I'm not against that. 0.99

01:27:03.000 I'm just saying, but so that neighbor, he didn't call the police and say Rand Paul's a fucking right-wing racist or whatever. 1.00

01:27:08.000 He went over there and beat his ass. 1.00

01:27:10.000 And that's sad, but Rand Paul should have shot his ass. 1.00

01:27:13.000 Well, no, no, no. 1.00

01:27:15.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:27:16.000 He attacked him from behind.

01:27:16.000 Yes, yes.

01:27:17.000 Took him down from behind and broke his ribs.

01:27:20.000 Regardless. 1.00

01:27:21.000 He should have shot him later. 0.99

01:27:22.000 You get my point. 0.95

01:27:23.000 Everything here, every COVID sneeze has a lawyer attached to it. 0.99

01:27:27.000 Everything's a fucking legal affair. 0.98

01:27:28.000 I understand. 0.99

01:27:28.000 We're always dealing... 0.99

01:27:29.000 I'm sure in all deals you've done, there's a manager and lawyers and accountants, and the motherfucker goes down the line, and if you know, you know, if I could just sit with the guy for two minutes, like, bro... 0.96

01:27:42.000 Let's do this right now. 0.93

01:27:44.000 Entanglements.

01:27:46.000 Things get deeper.

01:27:47.000 It's the way of the world, man.

01:27:48.000 Deeper and deeper.

01:27:49.000 It's the way of the world.

01:27:50.000 That's what's so beautiful about life.

01:27:52.000 And this is a great time.

01:27:54.000 A great time to be a podcaster.

01:27:56.000 It's beautiful about life because all of these things that have happened, whether it's the internet or the electric car or...

01:28:06.000 Anything.

01:28:07.000 Air travel.

01:28:08.000 It's someone competing against other people that are also formulating similar ideas.

01:28:14.000 I mean, this is just what we've had.

01:28:15.000 And what we're experiencing today is a massive moment of chaos, which in my personal life Has always been followed by a great growth.

01:28:25.000 Yes.

01:28:26.000 Always.

01:28:26.000 Yes.

01:28:27.000 Definitely.

01:28:27.000 Because in my personal life, and I believe in the microcosm, and I believe in the macrocosm, and I believe there's a situation where a thing that you feel...

01:28:38.000 If you can express it the right way, it resonates with people and it can help everybody.

01:28:44.000 I really do believe that.

01:28:45.000 I think it's part of one of the more fascinating things about the way we feel when other human beings express themselves.

01:28:52.000 Whether it's a speech.

01:28:54.000 To a graduating class, you know, whether it's a book that you wrote or a film that you made.

01:29:02.000 There's something that people do that makes other people feel a certain way.

01:29:06.000 And we recognize it when we're creating it.

01:29:11.000 What those things are, those moments of energy, we all come together in excitement.

01:29:17.000 We can maximize those.

01:29:18.000 We can have more of them. 1.00

01:29:20.000 Instead of being in conflict over fucking whether or not Ellen DeGeneres is a bitch. 1.00

01:29:24.000 Let's figure out a way to be... 1.00

01:29:27.000 Just stop...

01:29:28.000 Just be nice.

01:29:30.000 There's better feelings for yourself and for the community and for all around you by just putting your energy into positive things.

01:29:40.000 Putting your energy into things that are beneficial.

01:29:42.000 It's easy to attack.

01:29:44.000 It's easy.

01:29:45.000 You're global, which makes it so great.

01:29:47.000 This is happening in every country around the world.

01:29:51.000 Black Lives Matter, racial strife, racial division, very different story than us.

01:29:55.000 It's in the UK, it's in the Netherlands.

01:29:57.000 Everybody has some story, but it's all different.

01:30:00.000 They should not have the same guilt, maybe, that we should have, but it's being used as a wedge to divide people.

01:30:07.000 And I think that we have enough platforms and enough reach to let people know that figure it out, go look around, but you're definitely being manipulated and the whole idea is not to have that happen, what you just said.

01:30:19.000 And we have the means.

01:30:21.000 We don't need to go through every mainstream Silicon Valley company to communicate with each other.

01:30:25.000 So that is there for us at the taking.

01:30:30.000 We just have to do it.

01:30:32.000 It's that simple.

01:30:32.000 We have all this power.

01:30:34.000 We're just not using it yet.

01:30:36.000 But there's always conflict between human beings.

01:30:38.000 Of course!

01:30:39.000 And there always will be, because there's desirable mating outcomes.

01:30:44.000 Yell all you want at each other online.

01:30:46.000 Yell all you want.

01:30:47.000 That's great.

01:30:47.000 I hope we find places, and there are many already, for people to go yell without anyone intervening or taking down.

01:30:53.000 Just let them yell, let them yell, let them yell, let them yell.

01:30:56.000 It's good.

01:30:57.000 Let it all out. 1.00

01:30:58.000 Taking someone away is fucking stupid. 1.00

01:31:01.000 It's short-sighted and stupid for short-term capital gain. 1.00

01:31:05.000 This is what I'm talking about in terms of censoring people online. 0.99

01:31:10.000 I think it actually has unintended consequences of bolstering up the other side.

01:31:16.000 Of course it does.

01:31:17.000 Because it makes them look like the people on the right now look at the people on the left as being unreasonable, unwilling to talk.

01:31:23.000 Yes.

01:31:23.000 And they've banned this person from Facebook and YouTube.

01:31:28.000 So, now I get to go back to my America Online analogy, because it's inevitable.

01:31:33.000 This is what always happens.

01:31:35.000 America Online was a closed system, and the internet was out here.

01:31:39.000 And everyone on AOL, I'm sure you were on there, like, oh, cool chat rooms.

01:31:43.000 Not me, bro.

01:31:44.000 Yeah, you were looking up conspiracy theories. 0.99

01:31:45.000 Shut up, Rogan. 0.99

01:31:46.000 I know what you were doing. 1.00

01:31:48.000 Meanwhile, we're on the free internet going alt.conspiracy.alienprobe in my anus. 0.96

01:31:54.000 And I got a picture of it and all this. 0.95

01:31:56.000 And so we're having a good time.

01:31:57.000 And kids on the AOL went, hey, AOL, we want to access the internet, man. 0.99

01:32:02.000 We want the fucking internet because that's where the danger is. 0.97

01:32:05.000 That's what the cool stuff is. 0.99

01:32:06.000 And they finally opened up a little portal.

01:32:09.000 Okay, here's your browser.

01:32:11.000 And everybody was gone.

01:32:12.000 And AOL became a dial-up access service.

01:32:15.000 Do you remember this?

01:32:17.000 Yes, man! 1.00

01:32:17.000 I was a part of this shit. 1.00

01:32:18.000 Ready for this? 1.00

01:32:19.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 You've got mail!

01:32:23.000 Pretty good, right?

01:32:24.000 Goodbye.

01:32:25.000 Goodbye.

01:32:27.000 Solid.

01:32:28.000 It's always a dude telling you you've got mail.

01:32:31.000 That's your boss.

01:32:33.000 Right?

01:32:33.000 It's not a Chinese lady.

01:32:34.000 That's where it's always going to be at, my friend.

01:32:36.000 It's always going to be the dangerous outside.

01:32:39.000 That's where I like to live and thrive.

01:32:41.000 Well, there's always going to be the tip of progress, and everything else underneath it is going to be... 0.98

01:32:46.000 But the question is, who's right when you see these people in Portland that are fucking burning trash in the lobby of the mayor's apartment complex? 0.98

01:32:54.000 Are they right when they're holding up a fucking big sheet that says, resign? 0.99

01:33:00.000 Are they right? 0.98

01:33:01.000 I don't mind about this big sheet with resign.

01:33:03.000 You can't be making fire.

01:33:05.000 It's not okay.

01:33:06.000 It's not okay. 1.00

01:33:07.000 You can kill all those people. 1.00

01:33:09.000 No, you can't kill anybody. 0.99

01:33:10.000 If they threw that fire in and they didn't know that the floor was plastic and the plastic took off instantly and burned the whole...

01:33:17.000 And everybody in this...

01:33:19.000 I think there's like 1,200 units or something. 0.99

01:33:22.000 The good news is this shit is starting to end because Joe Biden campaign realized that this was not good for their numbers, and so now they're out saying, nah, you should stop rioting, stop rioting. 0.98

01:33:35.000 It's a real danger. 0.99

01:33:39.000 We have a problem.

01:33:41.000 I think you know it inherently, but no federal troops can go into Portland or any other place without it being requested.

01:33:50.000 It's very important in our structure. 1.00

01:33:52.000 We don't have a Stasi system so you can come in and fucking kick everyone's ass. 1.00

01:33:57.000 You have to get requests. 1.00

01:33:57.000 Yeah, someone's going, hey, I need your help. 1.00

01:33:59.000 Come on in, feds.

01:34:00.000 That's what it's for.

01:34:01.000 Federal government is very unimportant, really, in the overall scheme.

01:34:04.000 It's supposed to be.

01:34:05.000 But we, good people of America, have let it come pretty far with going back to what it's supposed to be.

01:34:12.000 Can we pause on this?

01:34:12.000 I gotta pee so bad.

01:34:13.000 Can we hold this, Jamie?

01:34:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:15.000 You need to pee?

01:34:16.000 Yes!

01:34:17.000 Let's do this.

01:34:17.000 All right.

01:34:18.000 We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:34:20.000 First ever podcast from Austin.

01:34:24.000 We're back.

01:34:25.000 And we're back!

01:34:27.000 That was wonderful.

01:34:28.000 I'm here because of you.

01:34:29.000 I said that at the beginning, but it is true.

01:34:32.000 Now, I want to know about your other plans.

01:34:34.000 So, Tina, the keeper, my wife and I, we've been catching up on a little Joe Rogan history.

01:34:39.000 We've been watching your stand-ups during the shutdown. 1.00

01:34:43.000 You, my friend, are one funny motherfucker. 1.00

01:34:46.000 And you do physical shit, and you're so on, and it's just... 1.00

01:34:51.000 Where are you going to use this creative energy, this side of you... 0.99

01:34:57.000 In the world, I mean, what's the plan?

01:34:59.000 Where does this go?

01:35:00.000 What do you do as a comic?

01:35:02.000 Because I know you're a podcaster, and obviously you're changing the world.

01:35:07.000 But I think I know that your core passion is that.

01:35:11.000 I love stand-up, but I think it's really important to just be a person.

01:35:16.000 I did one comedy date during the pandemic.

01:35:19.000 I did the Houston Improv.

01:35:22.000 I did it with my friend Brian Moses, and I did it with my friend Tony Hinchcliffe. 0.98

01:35:26.000 We had a great fucking time. 0.96

01:35:27.000 I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys. 1.00

01:35:30.000 Dan Crenshaw came down.

01:35:31.000 We had a good time. 0.95

01:35:32.000 But at the end of the day, I was like, damn, I don't want to catch it and give it to somebody I care about. 0.96

01:35:39.000 Right. 1.00

01:35:40.000 Because you're a fucking human. 1.00

01:35:41.000 If I knew that I couldn't ever give it to somebody, I could only get it myself. 1.00

01:35:47.000 I'd have a different perspective.

01:35:49.000 I think you've already adjusted your risk profile.

01:35:53.000 I mean, yesterday when I was here, I got the antibody test and everything.

01:35:57.000 It still hurts.

01:35:58.000 Does it? 1.00

01:35:58.000 Damn. 1.00

01:35:59.000 Well, I use this finger a lot, apparently. 1.00

01:36:02.000 It's a trigger finger.

01:36:02.000 I use it for mouse clicks.

01:36:04.000 I'm like, oh, fucking little thing there. 0.99

01:36:07.000 But right away, without even waiting for the results, you're like, nah, bro, you don't have it. 0.99

01:36:11.000 You're good.

01:36:12.000 Which is appropriate.

01:36:16.000 We've always taken, this is the view of people, we've always taken, if you look healthy and you feel healthy, you're probably healthy.

01:36:25.000 It's crazy to think it that way, isn't it?

01:36:28.000 Instead, now we're like, you might have it!

01:36:31.000 It's understandable because when it did emerge on North America, we thought it was going to be like the plague.

01:36:39.000 We thought it was going to be like the Spanish flu.

01:36:41.000 We were shown models and everything.

01:36:43.000 And they might have been right and they might have been wrong.

01:36:45.000 Fortunately, they were wrong.

01:36:47.000 But this idea that it's a conspiracy, I'm not buying it, man.

01:36:51.000 But hold on.

01:36:51.000 All of it, I think it's more than anything.

01:36:55.000 There are people that take advantage of moments of things that happen.

01:37:00.000 But there's also, like, people just panic and make good moves and bad moves.

01:37:04.000 And they don't necessarily have to make sense in retrospect.

01:37:09.000 It wasn't the right call in terms of, like, what we thought, like...

01:37:15.000 COVID-19 was going to be for this country, but they thought it was going to be way worse.

01:37:19.000 And if they were wrong and it was way worse, it would have been horrific.

01:37:24.000 So what is the mechanism where the people in every country can communicate this back in a manner to the people who we've chosen to represent us?

01:37:34.000 That's not offensive.

01:37:35.000 Well, to take it into account that this is how we feel and we need some change.

01:37:40.000 There were protests in Trafalgar Square, the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, and in Switzerland, Zurich, and they were completely peaceful.

01:37:50.000 Nobody with masks just saying, hey, we want out.

01:37:52.000 Now, we have here other problems.

01:37:54.000 Going out is now an issue because of rioting and protesting.

01:37:58.000 But in general, people around the world are starting to say, we don't like this, and they're trying to communicate it. 0.99

01:38:04.000 We are the only fuckers who have the guns to back it up. 0.97

01:38:08.000 That's what's interesting right now. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Because that's also what they're for.

01:38:12.000 That's also what the Second Amendment is about, is to, in my mind, to protect the First Amendment, but also like, hey, all the people here don't want this, and we're kind of willing to back it up, so here we are with our stuff.

01:38:25.000 Yeah, it's such a strange perspective.

01:38:28.000 It's medieval, Joe, but here we are.

01:38:30.000 We haven't learned our history.

01:38:33.000 We haven't looked at it properly.

01:38:35.000 Did you see the video of what happened in Portland when that guy got murdered?

01:38:38.000 Yeah, I did.

01:38:39.000 Yeah, of course, of course.

01:38:40.000 I mean, it's like basic tribal war.

01:38:43.000 One guy sprays mace, the other guy shoots a gun. 0.76

01:38:45.000 My buddy Mo, he says, this is a civil war between white people. 0.99

01:38:50.000 We're stepping the fuck back. 0.99

01:38:51.000 And he's right, man. 0.96

01:38:52.000 He's right.

01:38:53.000 He's right.

01:38:54.000 But now more than ever, we need to get together with our ADOS brothers and sisters and say, stop. 1.00

01:39:01.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

01:39:03.000 This is not the real problem here. 1.00

01:39:05.000 Stop it now. 0.99

01:39:06.000 Well, anytime you have an open group that anyone can join, you're going to get people that do the dumbest shit to get to the front of the line and the top of the heap. 0.99

01:39:16.000 Yeah, but we... 0.99

01:39:16.000 Doesn't necessarily jive with the ideas of the rest of the organization. 0.99

01:39:19.000 Our children have been over-socialized.

01:39:22.000 They've been made to be afraid of everything they say.

01:39:25.000 Can't make a joke about Christians. 0.89

01:39:27.000 Can't make a joke about Jews. 0.98

01:39:28.000 Can't make a joke about gay, lesbian, transgender. 0.96

01:39:31.000 Can't make a joke about...

01:39:32.000 Can't even slip up on one little thing.

01:39:34.000 Forget race. 0.51

01:39:35.000 Are you doing the work, Joe Rogan?

01:39:37.000 You've got to read the book.

01:39:38.000 Which book? 0.99

01:39:40.000 That's White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, the biggest perpetrator of this crap I've ever heard of. 0.98

01:39:46.000 I didn't read that, but I read Matt Taibbi's response. 0.98

01:39:48.000 Spot on.

01:39:49.000 Taibbi is a legend.

01:39:51.000 I pay for his content.

01:39:54.000 I'll pay him $40 a month.

01:39:55.000 I'll pay him $400 a month.

01:39:57.000 That guy is doing the work.

01:39:59.000 I legitimately feel he's one of the most important journalists. 0.96

01:40:03.000 The only guy who reported on the Wall Street 2008 and he had to go and learn how all this intricate shit worked. 0.99

01:40:10.000 Fucking great. 0.98

01:40:11.000 He's a real representative of his honest opinions. 0.99

01:40:15.000 And that's rare.

01:40:17.000 A journalist.

01:40:18.000 That's the problem.

01:40:19.000 A journalist.

01:40:20.000 We've gotten hooked into these systems, whether it's right or left or whatever it is, where your vested interest is in agreeing with whatever the people on your side think and say.

01:40:33.000 It's just real dangerous for people.

01:40:35.000 It's not how we operate best.

01:40:36.000 Well, there's another problem.

01:40:38.000 And that is what we all used to see was the typical local news.

01:40:43.000 You see your, you know, Today Show on NBC, they break in with the local weather.

01:40:47.000 And the message, what we saw in Wisconsin is we saw a struggle.

01:40:55.000 We saw cops walking behind a guy.

01:40:57.000 We saw the guy trying to get into his car, the cop pulling him back, shooting.

01:41:01.000 We saw that.

01:41:02.000 What is distilled down to the Today Show local level is unarmed black man shot by cops while getting into a car.

01:41:12.000 I don't care what happened, you can't present that as the facts that we've seen. 1.00

01:41:18.000 That's bullshit. 0.98

01:41:19.000 So either don't do it, Or show it, or maybe just wait until we have some information. 0.99

01:41:26.000 Because that is setting a biased message.

01:41:30.000 And by the way, Fox News is just as complicit on all sides of this. 0.99

01:41:33.000 Who the fuck knows who's running that show? 0.99

01:41:35.000 It should be something along the lines of police shoot man. 0.99

01:41:39.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:41:41.000 That would be a good starter.

01:41:42.000 Yeah, but is it that we have this expectation for, whether it's Reuters or CNN or whatever, for them to be...

01:41:53.000 Authoritative.

01:41:54.000 Perfect.

01:41:55.000 Perfect.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 Perfect.

01:41:56.000 This is what happens.

01:41:57.000 Turns out, no.

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:41:58.000 The problem...

01:41:59.000 Turns out, no.

01:42:00.000 There's money involved. 0.99

01:42:01.000 And if they can say, police shoot black man, unarmed black man, It's worth more money. 1.00

01:42:09.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:42:10.000 That's a real...

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:12.000 Is that a consideration, do you think, when they write headlines?

01:42:15.000 Yes, completely.

01:42:16.000 I just read the other day, Texas mandates vaccines for all school children.

01:42:21.000 I'm like, all right, let me take a look.

01:42:24.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:42:26.000 Of course, Texas has conscientious objections. 1.00

01:42:30.000 Like, give me a fucking break. 0.99

01:42:31.000 Is that like naturopathicnews.com? 1.00

01:42:33.000 No, no.

01:42:35.000 That was like, you know, mainstream.

01:42:37.000 Really?

01:42:38.000 Yeah, mainstream.

01:42:39.000 Like, you know, an affiliate of Reuters or whatever.

01:42:42.000 Yeah.

01:42:43.000 That's the problem.

01:42:44.000 For sure.

01:42:44.000 Like, I know that everybody thinks they're fighting a good fight.

01:42:49.000 I really do believe that.

01:42:50.000 Of course we do.

01:42:51.000 That's what makes us so great.

01:42:53.000 It's the thing about people.

01:42:55.000 It's so easy for us to accept one ideology versus another.

01:43:00.000 Well, we just have to remember one thing.

01:43:02.000 This is the thing that's most shocking.

01:43:05.000 There is...

01:43:06.000 It's okay to disagree.

01:43:07.000 It's okay to be angry with each other. 1.00

01:43:10.000 Were you just looking at Jamie's ass? 0.99

01:43:12.000 He was going into the TriCaster. 1.00

01:43:14.000 I was panicking.

01:43:14.000 Kind of looked like you were...

01:43:15.000 I had to make sure his back's okay. 1.00

01:43:18.000 Jamie broke his ass. 1.00

01:43:19.000 Really? 1.00

01:43:19.000 And I feel responsible. 1.00

01:43:21.000 Really, really broke his ass? 0.99

01:43:22.000 Yeah, we had those hoverboards. 1.00

01:43:24.000 I almost broke my ass, too. 0.99

01:43:25.000 And Jamie was filming it. 1.00

01:43:26.000 Yeah.

01:43:27.000 And the hoverboard went left and he went right.

01:43:30.000 And he landed on his...

01:43:31.000 Jamie?

01:43:32.000 Yeah.

01:43:34.000 I have to only assume that's what caused it, but the actual injury didn't come for like 10 months after that. 0.98

01:43:41.000 It was a fracture, an actual broken ass?

01:43:43.000 I didn't get an x-ray, but there was a bone that was not where it was supposed to be that caused a litany of problems up and down the side of my body. 0.72

01:43:51.000 A bone that wasn't where it was supposed to be?

01:43:53.000 Yeah, some little bone in the part of your hip.

01:43:55.000 Did it break off?

01:43:56.000 No, it was adjusted in a weird spot.

01:43:59.000 If I feel it now, it doesn't feel like it used to.

01:44:01.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:44:03.000 That's the craziest thing about chiropractic shit, right? 0.99

01:44:07.000 Even though it has a wacky beginning, what if the dude was accidentally right? 0.99

01:44:13.000 Right now I have weird, crazy pops in my neck that hurt sometimes, but I don't know if a chiropractor could fix it.

01:44:20.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:44:21.000 If you hear the story of... 0.99

01:44:23.000 What was the woman that wrote Chiropractors Are Bullshit?

01:44:33.000 There's a guy who is a producer of my show, and he's like, I really want you to give this to Joe. 0.92

01:44:40.000 He's all about chiropractic, and apparently you're against that.

01:44:44.000 You don't believe in it or whatever.

01:44:46.000 And he's really like, dude, I just wanted Joe to see it.

01:44:51.000 And this is one guy he could talk to.

01:44:52.000 And it's very interesting because I don't know anything about the controversy, whatever.

01:44:56.000 It's just very interesting.

01:44:57.000 Who wrote it, Jamie?

01:45:01.000 Yeah, Yvette. 0.96

01:45:02.000 I just didn't want to fuck up her last name. 0.92

01:45:04.000 I don't want to say that either. 0.94

01:45:05.000 D'Entremont.

01:45:06.000 She was a guest on the podcast, and she researched chiropractic medicine.

01:45:10.000 Oh, okay.

01:45:11.000 I didn't know this. 0.99

01:45:11.000 Created by a dude who was a magnetic healer, and he was killed by his son, ran him over with a car, took over the business, and started promoting the idea that adjusting people's backs to fix fucking leukemia and shit. 0.99

01:45:25.000 Oh, I don't know about all that. 0.98

01:45:27.000 Blindness.

01:45:27.000 You just pop people's back.

01:45:29.000 It was lunacy.

01:45:31.000 But I think, what if maybe they were on to something accidentally?

01:45:38.000 Like, it is possible.

01:45:40.000 Well, that's like my applied kinesiology, which you don't believe in.

01:45:43.000 What is that?

01:45:44.000 Applied kinesiology.

01:45:45.000 And I've been going to this.

01:45:46.000 You sure I don't believe in it?

01:45:46.000 Because we talked about it after the show last time.

01:45:48.000 I might have changed my mind.

01:45:49.000 Okay, well.

01:45:50.000 And by the way, when you called two days after the show, that was a thrill. 0.99

01:45:55.000 I'm like, holy shit, Joe fucking Rogan just called me. 0.99

01:45:58.000 You texted me. 1.00

01:45:59.000 No, you called me.

01:45:59.000 You called me.

01:46:01.000 That was really...

01:46:03.000 It bothers me that it's a thrill.

01:46:05.000 No, that was like...

01:46:06.000 No, because I remember I really connected with you.

01:46:09.000 It was cool.

01:46:10.000 We did, we did.

01:46:10.000 We had a good connection.

01:46:11.000 I like that.

01:46:11.000 And I really do appreciate you as being your patient zero.

01:46:15.000 You really are.

01:46:16.000 You're the guy who started this whole thing.

01:46:18.000 100%.

01:46:19.000 There's no one else who deserves the credit.

01:46:21.000 It's you.

01:46:22.000 And you're also an interesting guy because you've always had an analytical view of anything.

01:46:30.000 Whatever problems there are, technological, political, you look at it.

01:46:35.000 And when I listen to your podcast, I'm like, this guy's thinking.

01:46:39.000 About what's going on here.

01:46:40.000 Is this happening?

01:46:41.000 Is that happening?

01:46:43.000 You're not committed to any one cleanly grooved path.

01:46:48.000 No.

01:46:49.000 Like you, I have a lot of people who I'm connected to.

01:46:52.000 Particularly because of the show, you are connected to some of the most amazing minds that are out there.

01:46:57.000 And you suck that up.

01:47:00.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:47:00.000 You suck it up. 0.99

01:47:01.000 It's true.

01:47:02.000 You memorize stuff.

01:47:03.000 I have the same thing.

01:47:04.000 You memorize stuff like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

01:47:06.000 And you can weigh that.

01:47:07.000 But ultimately, I don't think either of us really come from any, like, I really want it to be like this or that.

01:47:13.000 No, it's just pure luck.

01:47:15.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:47:16.000 Pure luck in what the fuck is this? 0.99

01:47:19.000 But this is a crazy, crazy time. 0.99

01:47:21.000 We are so connected.

01:47:22.000 There's so many impulses, so many signals, so much happening. 1.00

01:47:26.000 Mayor of Portland, get out of that fucking apartment building. 1.00

01:47:28.000 They know where you're sleeping, bro. 1.00

01:47:31.000 There's a thousand other people sleeping in that building.

01:47:33.000 Get out of there.

01:47:34.000 There's a good chance all of that ends November 4th.

01:47:37.000 There's a good chance a lot of things end November 4th.

01:47:39.000 It's September.

01:47:40.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.86

01:47:41.000 They're going to light that guy's place on fire.

01:47:46.000 But doesn't that kind of show that it's out of control?

01:47:49.000 Something has to happen. 0.99

01:47:51.000 What if the reason why all this shit is going on up there? 0.99

01:47:55.000 It's just a little piece of what's going on in the world, Joe. 0.99

01:47:57.000 Everyone's depressed.

01:47:58.000 It's like a big old Twilight movie. 1.00

01:48:01.000 It's getting rained on and shit. 0.99

01:48:03.000 My buddy, he used to be my assistant. 0.99

01:48:06.000 Back at MTV, it was a VJ coordinator, Ken.

01:48:10.000 And he took this all, and I love Ken to death, he took it hook, line, and sinker.

01:48:16.000 And he and his husband haven't seen another human being for four or five months.

01:48:23.000 Nothing came in, nothing came out.

01:48:26.000 All he knows is that Trump has sent in goons to go and create a problem in downtown Portland.

01:48:32.000 There's a lack of real information for a lot of people.

01:48:36.000 There's a lack of information. 0.98

01:48:39.000 And I'm not saying one way or the other, but all I know, I'm seeing President Trump doing some very interesting shit. 0.94

01:48:48.000 And he's standing in the middle of things I've thought have been a problem for a long time. 0.97

01:48:53.000 The media for sure, he calls it fake news. 1.00

01:48:55.000 The pharmaceutical industry, a lot of bullshit. 1.00

01:48:58.000 He's sitting right there going, this is bullshit. 0.99

01:49:00.000 And while he's still making a lot of interesting things happen that I don't think is good, he's also removed the pharmacy benefit managers so actually the prices will actually come down. 0.99

01:49:11.000 He's deregulated insurance so you can do it across state lines.

01:49:15.000 These are all things that I think are very, very good. 0.98

01:49:17.000 He's standing in the middle of the military industrial complex saying it's the fucking military industrial complex. 0.99

01:49:22.000 They want war. 1.00

01:49:23.000 I'm here to keep that shit down. 1.00

01:49:25.000 We'll sell our stuff. 1.00

01:49:27.000 Those things I like a lot.

01:49:29.000 The problem is his persona, which is what...

01:49:33.000 You know these people.

01:49:35.000 You've been around very successful people.

01:49:37.000 A lot of them are illiterate. 1.00

01:49:39.000 Can't even write a fucking email. 1.00

01:49:41.000 But they get incredibly wealthy and successful because they have... 1.00

01:49:44.000 They like to use you are.

01:49:45.000 Excuse me?

01:49:46.000 You are instead of you're.

01:49:48.000 That's an issue.

01:49:51.000 With someone really smart, they'll send you an email that says you are instead of why you are or why are you.

01:49:59.000 Or there with E-I. So these people, the elites of the world, which is really the problem.

01:50:06.000 I don't know if they're illiterate.

01:50:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:08.000 They will tolerate a Donald Trump at their party because he's rich and he's important to them.

01:50:13.000 But when it really comes down to it, he's not part of us.

01:50:17.000 So that's the problem.

01:50:18.000 You've seen this.

01:50:20.000 Right, but isn't that just human nature?

01:50:22.000 Yes, I'm not saying it's not, but let's just recognize it and move on.

01:50:27.000 Let's just recognize it.

01:50:28.000 How do we do that, Adam Curry?

01:50:30.000 By doing this podcast, Joe Rogan.

01:50:32.000 We are the world.

01:50:33.000 We are the children. 1.00

01:50:34.000 We're going to make that shit happen. 1.00

01:50:36.000 We can help. 0.99

01:50:37.000 Yeah, I think just by being men, giving a male perspective, it doesn't matter which guest you bring yourself, and that's important.

01:50:45.000 That's why.

01:50:46.000 Why are people attracted to you?

01:50:47.000 Why?

01:50:48.000 Besides you being very handsome.

01:50:50.000 Why?

01:50:51.000 So I'm wearing my wife's shirt. 0.51

01:50:53.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:50:54.000 I stole this from her.

01:50:55.000 You've got a beautiful family, man.

01:50:56.000 She's got a... 1.00

01:50:57.000 She had this elbow shirt on. 0.98

01:50:58.000 That's a good one. 1.00

01:50:59.000 That's mine, bitch. 1.00

01:51:00.000 I didn't say bitch. 1.00

01:51:02.000 If I did, she would. 0.99

01:51:03.000 No, I'm joking.

01:51:04.000 Of course she would.

01:51:07.000 Dude, I think we're in a weird stage as human beings.

01:51:09.000 I really believe this.

01:51:11.000 That we have this battles going on between people and all sorts of ideologies and perspectives.

01:51:20.000 And some of them are real valid, right?

01:51:23.000 Like police shooting people they shouldn't shoot.

01:51:25.000 Real valid. 0.88

01:51:26.000 And then you see videos of them not shooting white people. 1.00

01:51:28.000 Maybe they should have shot. 1.00

01:51:30.000 You know? 1.00

01:51:32.000 It's like, you see those things, like, hey, what the fuck is going on? 0.97

01:51:35.000 Especially if that's all you see. 1.00

01:51:37.000 If you're a young black man, you see, all you see is videos of cops shooting black guys and not shooting white guys. 0.98

01:51:44.000 If someone just shows you three or four of those in a row, and you have a job and a family, and you don't have time to be resurged and shit, How do you know if that's representative of the whole world or not? 0.97

01:51:53.000 Even if it isn't representative, isn't it offensive as a singular event in the history of people where someone gets shot just because of what they look like, right?

01:52:06.000 We all agree with that.

01:52:07.000 Of course, of course.

01:52:11.000 More than anything, is how it divides us and how we look at each other.

01:52:14.000 We're supposed to look at each other as the same.

01:52:17.000 We're supposed to look at each other as just people.

01:52:19.000 And anything that takes us off that line, whether it's male, female, gay, straight, black, white, privileged, non-privileged, we've got to let that go.

01:52:29.000 Everybody has to stop themselves and think about how you're thinking.

01:52:33.000 What is making you respond?

01:52:35.000 What is it about you or your personal history that is making you respond in a very responsive, reactive, sometimes violent manner?

01:52:44.000 It doesn't matter who you are.

01:52:45.000 And we all have abuse, we have situations, we have pain, and this is being triggered every single day by very simple things that we can easily be triggered about because it's accepted.

01:52:56.000 But I have all kinds of Yeah.

01:53:19.000 We also have to realize that we're in a biological mosh pit.

01:53:23.000 Big time.

01:53:24.000 Big time.

01:53:24.000 It's a mosh pit.

01:53:25.000 It's not just in terms of our genes, but it's also our ideas.

01:53:30.000 There's all this battling going on.

01:53:35.000 I remember I watched this documentary on the Congo once.

01:53:39.000 And they realized, it was a BBC documentary, it was amazing.

01:53:43.000 And they realized that certain spiders had formed packs.

01:53:47.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:53:48.000 No, no.

01:53:49.000 Oh my god, dude. 1.00

01:53:50.000 Like a fucking deer would run into this spider web and be like, what's this? 1.00

01:53:55.000 We can learn so much from looking at our environment around us. 1.00

01:54:01.000 They figured out how to work together.

01:54:03.000 How to work together, yeah.

01:54:04.000 And work in packs.

01:54:05.000 And I remember thinking that, and I'm like, this is all madness.

01:54:08.000 It's all a battle for the top of the heap.

01:54:12.000 I think it's important to restate that we're all in our individual webs.

01:54:17.000 We're in the Instagram web and the Twitter web.

01:54:20.000 There are other places where we spiders can come together with groups of other spiders and create our own web that grows.

01:54:28.000 And sure, it may be parlor. 0.99

01:54:29.000 Maybe parlor is bullshit. 1.00

01:54:31.000 Maybe mastodon is bullshit. 1.00

01:54:33.000 But collectively, it all means... 0.99

01:54:35.000 That's cool.

01:54:36.000 This is a minor version of it. 0.97

01:54:39.000 Holy crap. 0.85

01:54:39.000 This is a BBC Congo one where it's like a real musty-looking, cobwebby-looking web. 0.85

01:54:45.000 And they all work together and they jack birds and shit. 0.99

01:54:49.000 Oh yeah, totally. 1.00

01:54:51.000 Oh my god.

01:54:52.000 So we can do that too.

01:54:53.000 And what is the internet?

01:54:54.000 It is a web.

01:54:55.000 It is a web of servers and computers and phones and watches.

01:55:00.000 And we can control a lot of it ourselves.

01:55:03.000 We can.

01:55:04.000 But this is my thought, Adam Curry.

01:55:06.000 When I look at something like that, I'm like, that's just what goes down if you let it.

01:55:10.000 If you let groups overcome, they can get together.

01:55:14.000 Well, I see that differently. 0.96

01:55:16.000 Oh no, I see us as humanity being able to build a web collectively, and in that we catch all the fuckers that we're done with, who've kept us apart. 0.99

01:55:26.000 Spiders don't give a fuck who they catch! 1.00

01:55:28.000 They catch birds, bro! 0.99

01:55:30.000 Tweety birds! 0.96

01:55:30.000 Well maybe that, isn't that socialism? 0.96

01:55:32.000 They all catch one bird and they eat it?

01:55:37.000 I don't think so.

01:55:38.000 I think they eat each other eventually. 1.00

01:55:41.000 Like female black widows, they kill the male. 1.00

01:55:43.000 There's many ways to connect and organize through the internet. 1.00

01:55:47.000 It doesn't have to be stupid things that are apps and bullshit. 0.99

01:55:51.000 It just doesn't have to be that way. 0.99

01:55:52.000 And eventually someone's going to realize it and it'll become cool and become the internet of the internet.

01:55:58.000 And then people will want to go there.

01:56:00.000 That's how it works.

01:56:03.000 For sure.

01:56:04.000 All I'm thinking is that...

01:56:06.000 I need a little bit more there, Joe.

01:56:08.000 That is some good stuff.

01:56:10.000 It is, right?

01:56:12.000 There's a way that we can look at all this in terms of like...

01:56:17.000 Minimizing conflict as a priority.

01:56:20.000 And I don't think it's necessarily a priority.

01:56:23.000 Minimizing conflict as a priority.

01:56:24.000 We don't have to hurt each other.

01:56:25.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:56:26.000 And there's something that we have to make an acknowledgement that we're all the same.

01:56:32.000 That we're on the same team.

01:56:33.000 And I don't think people feel like we are right now.

01:56:35.000 I think this is how the right feels when you ban people. 1.00

01:56:38.000 Even if they say ridiculous shit. 1.00

01:56:40.000 If it's ridiculous to you. 1.00

01:56:42.000 And I get it. 0.97

01:56:43.000 You feel it's ridiculous? 0.79

01:56:44.000 Good. 0.98

01:56:45.000 Why do you want to protect other people from something that you immediately recognize as ridiculous? 0.70

01:56:51.000 And that's the moment when you need to ask, why am I responding to this? 0.51

01:56:54.000 Why do I feel the need to say this?

01:56:57.000 It is that, but it's also the deep concern that the people that are doing this are going to affect people.

01:57:03.000 And change their perspective and make people believe something that's not true and it'll change the course of history or whatever. 0.98

01:57:10.000 Okay, well that's just fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:57:12.000 You gotta stop that shit. 1.00

01:57:13.000 It's not necessarily wrong though, right? 1.00

01:57:16.000 No!

01:57:16.000 Because it did work with Hitler.

01:57:17.000 No!

01:57:17.000 But the real answer is not stop that person.

01:57:21.000 No, of course not.

01:57:22.000 The real answer has come up with a much better rebuttal. 1.00

01:57:25.000 A better rebuttal, you lazy fucks! 1.00

01:57:27.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:57:28.000 Convince me with whatever you got.

01:57:30.000 And there's a lot of that going on. 0.98

01:57:32.000 But when we let ourselves be tied to some fucking digital overlords, we'll always be disappointed. 0.90

01:57:39.000 Which brings us back to things that were deleted from Facebook and YouTube when it comes to this pandemic. 0.97

01:57:45.000 We don't need to go through that.

01:57:47.000 There's many different systems out there.

01:57:49.000 You shouldn't be able to do that so easily.

01:57:51.000 It should be somehow or another voted upon.

01:57:54.000 Well, how about...

01:57:55.000 Who cares?

01:57:56.000 How about just we have a place that we go that everyone just kind of pays for their little bit, their little group, and this exists.

01:58:02.000 It's been around for 15 years.

01:58:04.000 People will come. 1.00

01:58:06.000 They're going to get tired of this shit. 1.00

01:58:08.000 If all the opposition voices are gone, what are you going to do? 1.00

01:58:12.000 Blaze TV tomorrow.

01:58:13.000 Adam Curry comes out as communist.

01:58:15.000 I know. 1.00

01:58:16.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:58:17.000 No! 1.00

01:58:19.000 I'm right.

01:58:20.000 I'm right about this.

01:58:21.000 I can see the writing on the wall.

01:58:23.000 I think you have a very strong opinion about something where you might be correct.

01:58:28.000 I'm just jumping ahead.

01:58:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:29.000 You might be correct.

01:58:30.000 I might be wrong. 1.00

01:58:31.000 I might be full of shit. 1.00

01:58:32.000 You have a good point, though. 1.00

01:58:34.000 I'm jumping ahead.

01:58:35.000 I can see where it has to go.

01:58:36.000 Jack Dorsey's even talking about decentralizing and perhaps federating different social networks.

01:58:42.000 He understands...

01:58:43.000 People need to cut that dude some slack, too.

01:58:45.000 Jack Dorsey is, like, we're so tribal. 0.99

01:58:49.000 God damn, we're so tribal. 0.98

01:58:50.000 He is very conflicted because he has to deal with his income, his shareholders, his board members. 1.00

01:58:56.000 He can't have conflict beyond certain realms, which are determined by a certain group of ideas that just run certain shit. 0.98

01:59:05.000 He was one of the... 0.98

01:59:08.000 It's all advertising. 1.00

01:59:09.000 We're fucking a-holes. 1.00

01:59:10.000 You just pave a little bit of... 1.00

01:59:11.000 I'd pay for your show.

01:59:13.000 I'd pay for your show.

01:59:14.000 I'm going to pay for your show.

01:59:16.000 I'm going to pay for your show.

01:59:17.000 Because I like your show.

01:59:18.000 It's worth it to me.

01:59:20.000 The only thing is, if you had asked me how much, I would have paid you much more than it's actually going to cost me at Spotify.

01:59:25.000 But that's up to you, my brother.

01:59:27.000 I love you.

01:59:28.000 I love you.

01:59:29.000 When I see someone like, whether it's Jack Dorsey or even Zuckerberg, anybody's put into a position that no human being has been responsible for.

01:59:42.000 It's impossible.

01:59:43.000 They've never been responsible for media empires that connect uncounted people.

01:59:50.000 And shame on us for expecting anything interesting or innovative out of that whole group, including the Congress.

01:59:57.000 Shame on us. 1.00

01:59:58.000 We created this shit. 1.00

02:00:00.000 We knew what's going on. 1.00

02:00:01.000 We dictate what's going on, but no.

02:00:05.000 We're just following along.

02:00:06.000 Oh, whatever. 1.00

02:00:07.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:00:07.000 We have so much power. 1.00

02:00:09.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.96

02:00:10.000 How many people are on Facebook? 0.99

02:00:12.000 I'm not on Facebook anymore.

02:00:14.000 A billion, I think.

02:00:14.000 A billion!

02:00:16.000 A couple billion, I think.

02:00:17.000 Jesus, Jamie!

02:00:19.000 Who knows?

02:00:20.000 A billion.

02:00:20.000 With a B. Okay, seems normal.

02:00:24.000 Well, give that dude who looks like an alien all the money then.

02:00:29.000 Seriously.

02:00:29.000 Woo!

02:00:30.000 No, it's really...

02:00:31.000 Yeah, it's actually double that.

02:00:33.000 Okay.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:34.000 It's a lot of cash, kids.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:37.000 Respect.

02:00:38.000 Incredible amount of money.

02:00:39.000 Monthly active users is 2.6 billion.

02:00:41.000 Joe, just...

02:00:42.000 2.6 billion?

02:00:43.000 A month.

02:00:44.000 1.73 a day.

02:00:45.000 Yeah.

02:00:45.000 Oh, my God!

02:00:47.000 But if you just zoom out...

02:00:48.000 Oh, my God!

02:00:49.000 Put that back up?

02:00:50.000 Oh, my God!

02:00:52.000 Oh, my God!

02:00:53.000 That's insane!

02:00:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:56.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:00:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:00.000 I know.

02:01:01.000 That's close to, what, a third of the humans?

02:01:07.000 So, you know...

02:01:09.000 Those are not real people, though.

02:01:10.000 Take away Nordic folk. 1.00

02:01:12.000 Facebook has created a beautiful, beautiful advertising machine.

02:01:20.000 And I give...

02:01:21.000 Oh, a thousand percent credit to Zuckerberg, his vision, and whoever else has worked with him.

02:01:27.000 It is such a beautiful mechanism for micro-targeting.

02:01:31.000 He has delivered on a lot of the promise that we were all looking at.

02:01:35.000 Like, you'll be able to get there.

02:01:37.000 And I've been complicit in that.

02:01:39.000 The right ad to the right person, just the right moment, just when he's scratching his nuts, wants to buy the car.

02:01:45.000 We'll know it all.

02:01:46.000 We're going to give it to you.

02:01:46.000 And he has delivered largely on that promise.

02:01:50.000 Unfortunately, with age and wisdom, I've come to realize that was a very bad thing to want. 0.98

02:01:56.000 It's a very fucking bad thing to want.

02:01:59.000 Is the real concern that that gets connected to AI? Of course. 0.98

02:02:03.000 It's already happening.

02:02:05.000 And AI is being skewed in so many interesting ways.

02:02:08.000 For a while, if you typed in American inventor, you would get all black inventors. 1.00

02:02:14.000 Black colored skin.

02:02:15.000 I don't know if they were all ADOS or not.

02:02:17.000 So that's an overcompensation of the algorithm for some reason.

02:02:21.000 So these things are happening.

02:02:24.000 I believe, like you, all people are good.

02:02:26.000 They want to do good.

02:02:27.000 They're convinced that they have to do this.

02:02:29.000 You have to say, I'm a racist to be good.

02:02:32.000 Please think about what you're doing.

02:02:34.000 Could you imagine if hell is reaching some connection between virtual reality and artificial intelligence where they trick you into living in a world with no pain?

02:02:51.000 I can completely envision that.

02:02:52.000 They trick you into living in a world with no conflict, no advancement, no improvement.

02:02:57.000 What we are, we are right now for all of eternity, but that's actually hell.

02:03:03.000 Are you there?

02:03:04.000 A slow trickle.

02:03:06.000 Are you there, Joe?

02:03:07.000 Right now, no.

02:03:08.000 I'm feeling great.

02:03:09.000 But are you going to go there?

02:03:10.000 No!

02:03:10.000 Dude, we can do better.

02:03:12.000 But the idea that it's a slow trickle where there's no risk ever.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 I think you have to take risks.

02:03:20.000 I think it's a big factor in being a human.

02:03:23.000 I think you have to do it.

02:03:27.000 This is why many, many very successful people, whether they're business or academics, certainly royalty, they all develop a super specialty.

02:03:37.000 Some study algebra, others will study economics, and they become very successful because they need that challenge.

02:03:44.000 As all human beings, we need a real challenge in our life to be our full self.

02:03:52.000 I think we do too.

02:03:54.000 I think we need to challenge and also all other aspects of our life in terms of what we believe in.

02:04:01.000 I think the problem is that if you believe one thing and I believe an opposing thing, we have to be violently opposed to each other.

02:04:08.000 I think the problem is that people become too married to their ideas.

02:04:13.000 And if we could just avoid that, if we could just talk to people...

02:04:16.000 Look at this example.

02:04:17.000 You and I are not on the same page on a lot of things.

02:04:22.000 What are we not on the same page of?

02:04:23.000 I think I'm much more...

02:04:26.000 We joke around conspiracy theory, whatever, but I'm pretty serious about a lot of things I said.

02:04:31.000 But you respect me for what I'm saying, and even if you haven't figured it out or don't like it or whatever, it doesn't matter.

02:04:36.000 You're just like, okay.

02:04:37.000 You heard it.

02:04:37.000 You registered it.

02:04:38.000 I 100% don't disagree with you.

02:04:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:42.000 But all my thoughts on conspiracies are from ignorance.

02:04:47.000 Of course. 0.98

02:04:48.000 So when you say something, I'm like, I'm just as ignorant. 1.00

02:04:51.000 I'm just as ignorant. 0.99

02:04:52.000 That's the beauty of it. 0.99

02:04:53.000 But I'm not married to it.

02:04:55.000 But in the past, when I was younger, I would have been. 0.99

02:04:57.000 I would have been married to some dumb idea. 1.00

02:04:59.000 So just as you can get really married to a dumb idea, you can get married to fuck your dumb ideas. 1.00

02:05:05.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 1.00

02:05:06.000 For sure.

02:05:07.000 Let's stop calling it something and labeling someone a conspiracy theorist.

02:05:10.000 You're lighting things on fire and throwing them into the lobby of an apartment complex filled with people.

02:05:17.000 This is a terrible, ineffective message.

02:05:20.000 It's not how we want people to behave.

02:05:21.000 When it's not punished, it's a very bad message.

02:05:24.000 Well, it's also a terrible call for escalation. 0.99

02:05:27.000 Because if you kill people with fire, they're going to come back with guns and they're going to kill you. 0.97

02:05:32.000 Are we trying to start a war? 0.99

02:05:34.000 This is bananas.

02:05:36.000 And if you feel like you haven't been represented, there's other ways to get the message out.

02:05:40.000 As frustrating as it may seem, you should like buildings on fire.

02:05:44.000 The Black Block and Antifa is completely separate from Black Lives Matter protests.

02:05:51.000 And I don't agree with pulling down statues without debate or discussion.

02:05:56.000 But the Black Block, which is really... 0.88

02:05:59.000 Whenever you see the helmet, the backpack, the black outfit, that's probably not your average run-of-the-mill protester.

02:06:06.000 Are we in an Avengers movie?

02:06:10.000 Possibly, in a way... 0.68

02:06:11.000 To think that it's not possible is ridiculous.

02:06:14.000 There are elements who are...

02:06:15.000 And I think it's kind of now being admitted everywhere.

02:06:18.000 Even Joe Biden is now, because it's bad for him in the polling, is coming out and saying, okay, these are agitators. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Yeah, fuck, yeah, they are. 0.99

02:06:26.000 And this is being downplayed, not being shown to you, because you need that. 0.99

02:06:30.000 And, by the way, when you have...

02:06:32.000 In race riots, you have different levels.

02:06:35.000 So you have the protesters.

02:06:37.000 Protesters, fine. 1.00

02:06:38.000 Then you get the agitators and the agitators start to break shit. 0.98

02:06:42.000 Then you get the guys with the umbrellas and they start to break windows showing you where the third wave, which is truly the poor, poor, poorest of society, they come in to go grab stuff. 0.97

02:06:54.000 And why do they grab stuff?

02:06:55.000 Because they've seen everybody is grabbing something for themselves. 0.97

02:07:00.000 They've seen it all, the politicians, they're not stupid, they've seen the politicians, they've seen Hollywood, they've seen everybody steal, steal, steal.

02:07:08.000 The agitators, the people with the hammers and the umbrellas, they say, there you go, these people go in, they get what they feel is theirs, that's part of their American dream at this point. 0.95

02:07:18.000 So we have to recognize what's happening and then take it away from just black or white racial issues. 0.99

02:07:24.000 This is people fucking with us, fucking with us because of our history, and it's triggering a lot of deep emotional shit. 0.99

02:07:32.000 And it's really evil to exploit that. 1.00

02:07:34.000 And I think we need to go to therapy.

02:07:36.000 We need to go to therapy as a country. 1.00

02:07:38.000 Do you think this is like a plan to fuck with us? 1.00

02:07:41.000 I believe so, yeah. 1.00

02:07:42.000 By who?

02:07:43.000 Well, it could be China.

02:07:45.000 It could be just globalists.

02:07:46.000 It could be Russia.

02:07:47.000 It doesn't matter.

02:07:49.000 We do the same to other countries.

02:07:51.000 We're exporting.

02:07:52.000 How many times have we said, we're bringing democracy to you, Middle East?

02:07:55.000 Come on, man.

02:07:56.000 Come on, man.

02:07:57.000 I did a Joe Biden.

02:07:58.000 Look!

02:07:59.000 Here's the deal.

02:08:00.000 Come on, man. 0.99

02:08:00.000 You lying two-faced pony soldier. 0.99

02:08:03.000 That's a great phrase, though. 0.97

02:08:05.000 What, come on, man?

02:08:05.000 Two-faced pony soldier.

02:08:07.000 I've never heard it before.

02:08:08.000 The guy's... 0.98

02:08:09.000 He's a savage. 1.00

02:08:10.000 You got that old fucking pop the stitch when he said that? 1.00

02:08:13.000 No, he is not a savage. 1.00

02:08:14.000 That guy is a problem.

02:08:16.000 It's really interesting.

02:08:18.000 It's like if the world was a simulation, this would be a fantastic moment where you had to decide how preposterous are you going to let it get?

02:08:31.000 We're sitting around there.

02:08:33.000 We've got the game under control.

02:08:34.000 Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, I've got to do this dude against this dude.

02:08:37.000 Imagine if you were in charge of a sleep simulation, like a dream simulation, and you were on the outside. 0.99

02:08:43.000 You, Adam Curry, fucking kitchen gloves, the whole deal. 0.98

02:08:46.000 Working all the cords, and you gotta like, okay, we gotta bring this guy out. 0.99

02:08:50.000 Like, let's do this.

02:08:53.000 Let's just see what happens.

02:08:54.000 Let's let things get more and more preposterous to the point where he's willing to come out of this programming and be awake again.

02:09:03.000 But you've been in a simulation this entire time.

02:09:05.000 Yeah, and who says that you and I, right now, this conversation is not a part of the manipulation of that exact simulation.

02:09:13.000 That's what my concern is, because I know personally...

02:09:16.000 That's the best part!

02:09:16.000 If I wasn't me, I would assume that someone's telling me what to do.

02:09:20.000 But I'm telling you, no one's telling me what to do.

02:09:23.000 That's the weirdest part about it.

02:09:24.000 No, you have synchronicity and it happens.

02:09:26.000 It falls into place for you, right?

02:09:28.000 Maybe.

02:09:29.000 I mean, they're telling you what you can't do.

02:09:30.000 You can't commit crimes.

02:09:31.000 No, no.

02:09:32.000 Don't be mean to people.

02:09:32.000 Your life in general, every move seems to kind of fall into place for you.

02:09:38.000 A lot of them do.

02:09:39.000 Even bad things.

02:09:40.000 It doesn't matter. 1.00

02:09:41.000 If a bad thing happens, generally, it's because I did something stupid. 0.98

02:09:47.000 Like, I thought wrong, or I said the wrong thing, or I moved in the wrong direction, then I had to recognize why I moved in the wrong direction. 0.68

02:09:54.000 All those things are good.

02:09:55.000 If you have a bad set, like a bad set in stand-up.

02:09:58.000 It's the best example of bad moments.

02:09:59.000 I can only imagine how horrifying that must be.

02:10:01.000 Sometimes you come out with a new joke and it's wrong.

02:10:04.000 It just doesn't work.

02:10:05.000 And you're like, I'm going to just open with this.

02:10:08.000 And maybe you have one too many Jack Daniels in the back and you get a little frisky.

02:10:12.000 Didn't quite handle it right.

02:10:14.000 You feel like you're just going to get on stage and take over Adam Curry, but the joke does not come out exactly how you wanted it to because it's fresh.

02:10:25.000 A stand-up joke is sort of like a thing that You have an intention, and then there's a result.

02:10:33.000 And people, oftentimes, they misconstrue the result with your intention. 0.99

02:10:38.000 Like, if you bomb, they're like, this motherfucker wanted to hurt my feelings. 0.99

02:10:42.000 He wanted to make me feel bad with terrible comedy. 0.99

02:10:45.000 The exact opposite of what the intention is.

02:10:47.000 But it's not.

02:10:47.000 He just missed.

02:10:49.000 It's the literal, like, the artistic equivalent of crashing on a surfboard.

02:10:54.000 Isn't that where the edge is?

02:10:55.000 It's on something that should be offensive, but somehow you laugh about it?

02:10:59.000 Sort of, yeah, but it's also, it's like what your ideas are in stand-up are representative of what you actually feel as a person.

02:11:08.000 Like, can you make a controversial idea palatable?

02:11:13.000 Can you make it palatable?

02:11:14.000 That seems to be what it is.

02:11:15.000 So what you're doing, if we just take it back to the simulation, you're debugging your own program.

02:11:20.000 That is the definition of AI, that you are artificial intelligence.

02:11:25.000 To me, this is the big joke.

02:11:27.000 We are the artificial intelligence, and these guys are just pretending that they got something.

02:11:32.000 That's a way to look at it.

02:11:33.000 Here's my way to look at it.

02:11:34.000 I don't think we've been talking that long.

02:11:37.000 No!

02:11:37.000 Not at all!

02:11:38.000 I think we've been talking about 40,000 years, man.

02:11:40.000 If that, yeah.

02:11:41.000 I don't think it's been that long.

02:11:42.000 I don't think we're that good at it.

02:11:44.000 My mom.

02:11:45.000 My mom died 15 years ago.

02:11:47.000 My mom used to tell me, I said, you know how they came up with the name Brush for Hairbrush?

02:11:52.000 I said, No.

02:11:53.000 She goes, was it a dude? 1.00

02:11:55.000 Yeah, this fucking thing. 1.00

02:11:56.000 And he went like this. 1.00

02:11:57.000 Brr! 0.98

02:11:58.000 Shh! 0.97

02:11:59.000 Really? 1.00

02:12:00.000 No, of course, that's what she really said, but obviously it's bullshit. 0.96

02:12:03.000 But it was just like, yeah, man, that really made me realize that we really haven't been there that long. 1.00

02:12:09.000 You know, some fucking caveman just came up with a brush. 0.98

02:12:11.000 Well, the human being... 1.00

02:12:12.000 Only took a little bit.

02:12:13.000 This form of human has only been around for what?

02:12:16.000 Just a little bit.

02:12:16.000 Half a million years?

02:12:17.000 Yeah, whatever it is.

02:12:18.000 At the max, right?

02:12:19.000 Yeah.

02:12:20.000 What's the threshold, Jamie?

02:12:22.000 It's like an estimate.

02:12:23.000 I think it's between 250 and 500,000 years ago, Homo sapiens emerged.

02:12:29.000 That's nothing!

02:12:30.000 That's so little!

02:12:33.000 I don't know if you remember, but you were saying something with Duncan.

02:12:38.000 You were talking about us actually being the spaceship.

02:12:43.000 And that we are hurtling through the universe at this amazing speed and everything's whipping by.

02:12:49.000 And I love that because you really, when you zoom out of reality and it's all given, yeah, we're on the earth, it's round or whatever. 0.99

02:12:58.000 Fuck, it's flat, it doesn't matter. 0.97

02:12:59.000 It's still a thing in space whether it's round or flat. 1.00

02:13:01.000 It's in space.

02:13:02.000 We're flying, we're moving, we're doing stuff.

02:13:04.000 That realization...

02:13:07.000 Or just thinking about that in general, just people just talking about, wow, man, we're in space.

02:13:12.000 Look at the sky.

02:13:13.000 Look at the stars.

02:13:13.000 What does it mean?

02:13:14.000 It's a coward's perspective to just look at the treetops.

02:13:17.000 Yeah.

02:13:18.000 It really is.

02:13:19.000 There's something about it.

02:13:20.000 Which is why marijuana is something I support.

02:13:22.000 It's so important.

02:13:23.000 That's what I'm talking about, dog.

02:13:24.000 That's what I'm talking about. 1.00

02:13:26.000 I support that shit. 1.00

02:13:27.000 Come on, governor. 1.00

02:13:28.000 Get on board.

02:13:29.000 Abbott will get there.

02:13:30.000 Abbott, I love you.

02:13:31.000 Yeah, well, we'll see.

02:13:32.000 We'll see.

02:13:33.000 Don't get too easy with your vote there, Joe Rogan.

02:13:36.000 Your endorsement's going to mean a lot in the drone star state.

02:13:40.000 I'm your friend and I'm wearing my wife's shirt.

02:13:42.000 That's right.

02:13:43.000 You are appropriate.

02:13:44.000 Listen, it's not bad. 1.00

02:13:46.000 Make some money off this shit. 1.00

02:13:48.000 Stop. 1.00

02:13:49.000 Stop playing games.

02:13:50.000 It's not killing anybody. 0.99

02:13:51.000 Listen, if Texas is a place we can own a fucking tiger, I had a bit in my act that Texas... 0.99

02:13:57.000 That is pretty crazy. 0.99

02:13:58.000 This is a fact.

02:13:59.000 This is a 100% fact.

02:14:00.000 There's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world.

02:14:08.000 There's more tigers in dudes' backyards.

02:14:10.000 I know.

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:12.000 But you can't have weed.

02:14:14.000 Really?

02:14:15.000 Are we really being responsible here?

02:14:19.000 You'll learn that there's codes in Texas.

02:14:21.000 Oh my god.

02:14:22.000 It's easier to own a tiger than a dog that's been labeled as dangerous.

02:14:28.000 It's estimated there could be from 2,000 to 5,000 tigers living in...

02:14:33.000 That's so many!

02:14:34.000 5,000 tigers is a herd!

02:14:37.000 Imagine if you saw 5,000 tigers coming over the hill.

02:14:41.000 You're like, there's going to be nothing left of me in seconds.

02:14:43.000 My buddy Gene has huge snakes in his apartment.

02:14:48.000 What?

02:14:48.000 Yeah, he has a...

02:14:50.000 Does he have a baby?

02:14:51.000 No, it's just him.

02:14:52.000 One is 16 feet long.

02:14:55.000 Have you heard those stories?

02:14:56.000 Tigrit, I think. 0.50

02:14:57.000 Tigrit? 0.97

02:14:57.000 It has a name? 0.97

02:14:59.000 Did you just say 16?

02:15:01.000 I think it's like 15 or 16. It's incredible.

02:15:04.000 And it's really very interesting to see.

02:15:07.000 They have an interesting life, these snakes.

02:15:10.000 You know what that is for me?

02:15:11.000 That's like holding two 80-pound dumbbells and trying to keep your face above water.

02:15:17.000 How long can you do this?

02:15:19.000 Before those things eat you.

02:15:21.000 No, no, no.

02:15:22.000 You got a 16-foot snake in your house, son.

02:15:24.000 No, no.

02:15:26.000 I think he's a boa constrictor, so he only... 0.96

02:15:29.000 Oh, rats. 0.59

02:15:30.000 But he goes into the bathtub when he feels it's time for a bath. 0.91

02:15:34.000 He's sleeping.

02:15:35.000 They sleep most of the time.

02:15:36.000 Yeah, it's a trip, though, because I go there like, no, all right, let me say hi to the snakes, because it's like his family.

02:15:42.000 I was watching a video today of a guy who was fishing in Australia.

02:15:45.000 I don't know if it's a guy or a girl, but they caught a big fish.

02:15:49.000 And it is like the dangers of fishing in Australia.

02:15:52.000 And as this guy is reeling this fish in, a crocodile comes swimming out of the water and steals his fish, and they're running away from this crocodile.

02:16:01.000 Dude, crocodiles are so scary.

02:16:03.000 They have them here, too.

02:16:04.000 We have alligators.

02:16:07.000 We allow those in America. 0.99

02:16:09.000 Listen, if we had crocodiles in America the way they have them in Australia, we would kill them all. 1.00

02:16:15.000 Really? 1.00

02:16:15.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:16:16.000 Have you ever been in Australia? 1.00

02:16:17.000 Yeah, I have for stand-up, but I've never seen those crocs.

02:16:21.000 In 1990, I did a documentary and went into the outback and just learned so much, and I don't even recognize Australia anymore.

02:16:29.000 So this dude caught a fish, and the crocodile comes and jacks it. 0.99

02:16:31.000 Holy shit! 1.00

02:16:32.000 You gotta run, son. 1.00

02:16:33.000 Give up the fish.

02:16:35.000 So I bet they probably wait.

02:16:36.000 Done.

02:16:37.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:16:37.000 There's your fish, bitch. 1.00

02:16:41.000 It's a huge fish! 1.00

02:16:43.000 The crocodile just swallows it down.

02:16:45.000 Crocodiles are so spooky, man.

02:16:47.000 They're so big.

02:16:48.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

02:16:49.000 It's a monster that lives in the jungle.

02:16:51.000 We've got to shout out to everybody down under. 1.00

02:16:53.000 Everybody in Victoria, in Melbourne, who are being locked down like fucking rats. 1.00

02:16:58.000 They're locked down again? 1.00

02:16:58.000 Like fucking rats. 1.00

02:17:00.000 Shout out. 1.00

02:17:00.000 Shout out to Adam Greentree. 1.00

02:17:02.000 They're getting screwed. 0.99

02:17:04.000 They're playing the same damn script down there only six months later. 1.00

02:17:09.000 It's crazy. 0.99

02:17:09.000 Well, they're trying to probably protect people and keep their hospital beds. 0.99

02:17:14.000 Yeah, that's all.

02:17:15.000 We flatten the curve.

02:17:16.000 Yeah.

02:17:17.000 They're probably trying to do a lot of those things.

02:17:19.000 But it just seems like no one's doing it right.

02:17:22.000 It seems like there's no country that prepared properly.

02:17:24.000 No. 0.99

02:17:25.000 It's almost like, who the fuck saw this coming? 0.99

02:17:29.000 No one did, you know? 0.99

02:17:30.000 And there was a pandemic department that we had here that was shut down by Trump.

02:17:34.000 When?

02:17:35.000 Well, yes, but that was transferred into a...

02:17:39.000 Transferred?

02:17:39.000 Yes.

02:17:40.000 So not necessarily shut down?

02:17:41.000 Not shut down.

02:17:42.000 It became a biological weapons group. 0.67

02:17:45.000 Jesus!

02:17:46.000 Yes, which has the same function as a flu.

02:17:49.000 So that is a little different than the story.

02:17:52.000 Wait a minute.

02:17:53.000 Explain that.

02:17:54.000 So the pandemic response group that was within, I believe, the National Security Council.

02:18:00.000 This was the one that Trump was accused of dismantling?

02:18:03.000 No, he did dismantle it.

02:18:04.000 He dismantled it and took...

02:18:06.000 It was only two people or three people.

02:18:07.000 Really?

02:18:08.000 Yeah.

02:18:09.000 It's in the National Security Council.

02:18:12.000 It's a real responsibility, but they transferred that into a biological weapons program to be on the lookout for that, which has the same characteristics as what happened.

02:18:23.000 Either way, it doesn't seem like it worked very well, other than the president shutting down some travel or most travel from China and Europe and the UK against everyone else's wishes.

02:18:36.000 That part, I think he did well, but...

02:18:39.000 I don't know how well this biological warfare outfit worked because, if anything, the tests were either sabotaged or sucked or the CDC is inefficient, ineffective.

02:18:51.000 I don't know, but we got that too late.

02:18:54.000 And what we got, the PCR tests that spin up the DNA samples 37 to 40 times instead of 30, is producing results that are Could be a lot of 35% false positives. 0.98

02:19:06.000 So when you don't have any data to work with, you're fucked. 1.00

02:19:09.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:19:09.000 We have nothing. 1.00

02:19:10.000 You don't have the data.

02:19:12.000 35% false positives?

02:19:13.000 Really?

02:19:14.000 30%.

02:19:14.000 30% false positives.

02:19:15.000 This is in the New York Times just last week. 0.98

02:19:18.000 And so, you know, just to make sure that even though the New York Times is full of shit, I think when they publish something good, it should be noted. 0.98

02:19:24.000 But isn't also one of those things where they don't know how effective it's going to be? 0.99

02:19:29.000 They have to implement something.

02:19:30.000 They find out how it's effective by looking at all the data that they get back.

02:19:34.000 What's effective?

02:19:35.000 Like when you have any kind of tests.

02:19:37.000 Look, when COVID-19 emerges...

02:19:39.000 This is known testing policy.

02:19:41.000 Normally you spin it up 30% for a PCR test.

02:19:45.000 But when COVID-19 emerged, when was the first test?

02:19:50.000 Well, the first ones were bogus, and some of the CDC tests actually contained some of the virus. 0.96

02:19:56.000 It was fucking crazy. 0.97

02:19:58.000 It was a huge botch. 1.00

02:20:00.000 The tests contained the virus?

02:20:02.000 Yes, yeah.

02:20:02.000 It was a huge botch.

02:20:04.000 I mean, not all of them, but it got fucked up. 0.98

02:20:07.000 And that's when Trump said, President Trump, said, okay, we're now doing the Abbott system. 0.95

02:20:12.000 You got all the commercial labs in.

02:20:13.000 You got all that going.

02:20:15.000 Because they were just failing.

02:20:16.000 They were just failing.

02:20:17.000 But what then happened, I'm not so sure that that's honest because there's a lot of incentive in the pharmaceutical and medical system to skew things a certain way to make sure you get paid.

02:20:29.000 And you can't deny that's taken place historically.

02:20:32.000 So there's some of it happening.

02:20:34.000 Yeah.

02:20:35.000 The main way to make sure we had a lot of positives is instead of 30 times amplification of the fragments of the virus that you're looking for, they did it 37 to 40 times, and that gives you a lot more.

02:20:49.000 It's known science.

02:20:52.000 It's just not told.

02:20:54.000 Well, one of the big complaints recently wasn't that the tests are too Accurate.

02:21:02.000 Too accurate?

02:21:03.000 In a sense that they're labeling people as positive that are no longer contagious.

02:21:10.000 They're too sensitive rather than accurate.

02:21:12.000 Yes, that's exactly what it is.

02:21:14.000 So people are getting a false positive.

02:21:16.000 So they're not contagious.

02:21:17.000 Nothing at all.

02:21:19.000 So in order to test positive, if you're going to get symptoms, You have to have a certain amount of viral load.

02:21:26.000 So you have to have more than just a little bit.

02:21:28.000 If you had it, just talking here, I might not get it, but if we're making out slowly and swapping spit and having a good time with each other, I might get enough viral load.

02:21:38.000 What kind of music would we be doing?

02:21:39.000 Total 70s porn music. 0.76

02:21:41.000 I thought about David Bowie. 0.84

02:21:42.000 We'd have Jamie make it all red.

02:21:43.000 Old school David Bowie, I was thinking.

02:21:47.000 Alright, I'll do it.

02:21:48.000 Whatever.

02:21:49.000 Whenever it turns you on.

02:21:50.000 There's a star man waiting over you.

02:21:57.000 My child will be horrified when she sees this. 1.00

02:22:00.000 She'll be like, Dad, seriously, you need to back off on that shit. 1.00

02:22:02.000 That's a great goddamn song, though. 1.00

02:22:03.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

02:22:04.000 So...

02:22:06.000 Yeah, we don't have any real data anymore.

02:22:08.000 Well, I think here's the thing.

02:22:10.000 We want someone to be in charge when everyone is trying to figure it out in real time.

02:22:15.000 But the nature of our entire system is not someone's in charge.

02:22:19.000 The president can't say, shut it down.

02:22:21.000 He just can't say that.

02:22:22.000 That has to come from the governors.

02:22:23.000 And here in Austin, we have different rules that the governor has allowed, but you don't have to have them, so they're not mandated.

02:22:31.000 So that system goes back up the line.

02:22:33.000 And in Austin, you know, this is what I don't like.

02:22:36.000 We were told, again, masks, social distance, close the bars, etc.

02:22:41.000 Once we're into the next phase, which is instead of 40 hospitalizations per day, an average of 22, then we go to the next phase, and then we're allowed to open up some more.

02:22:51.000 But it was like, nah.

02:22:53.000 Nah, we're going to wait until September 8th because schools are opening.

02:22:56.000 We don't want to jeopardize that. 1.00

02:22:57.000 But that, when you do that to Americans, that is fucked. 1.00

02:23:02.000 And they're misjudging how Americans take that shit. 1.00

02:23:06.000 You give us a goal, Joe, we'll go like, we all will go. 1.00

02:23:10.000 Any color creed background, fuck yeah, we're going to go do this. 1.00

02:23:13.000 We're going to get this fucking goal. 1.00

02:23:14.000 Flatten the goddamn curve. 1.00

02:23:15.000 We're going, bitch. 1.00

02:23:16.000 This is what we do. 1.00

02:23:18.000 Right?

02:23:19.000 Semper Fi, we go.

02:23:20.000 We all go.

02:23:21.000 Where we go one, we go all.

02:23:22.000 Right.

02:23:23.000 We go all.

02:23:25.000 And then when they say, okay, great job, but now we're going to take another couple weeks.

02:23:29.000 We have to meet you next goal.

02:23:31.000 That's not it. 1.00

02:23:32.000 We go, what the fuck? 0.99

02:23:34.000 Right? 1.00

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 And that's what's happening.

02:23:37.000 And this is the danger because it could just be ugly.

02:23:41.000 It could just be ugly.

02:23:42.000 But something will have to happen.

02:23:44.000 I think that the real danger is not letting the actual interaction take place.

02:23:50.000 The real danger is in silencing opposing opinions.

02:23:54.000 Of course.

02:23:54.000 Always.

02:23:54.000 Because I feel like when you're doing that, if you have a platform...

02:23:59.000 Whether it's like Facebook or YouTube or Twitter or anything, if you have a platform and in that platform some people believe X, Y, others believe Y, if you just decide to shut down everyone that believes Y, you create a tyranny.

02:24:16.000 You have a tyranny of ideology.

02:24:19.000 Especially if it's connected to the economy, like it is in Hollywood.

02:24:24.000 This is one of the things that I experienced.

02:24:25.000 I didn't experience it personally.

02:24:27.000 I wasn't a victim of it by any stretch.

02:24:29.000 But I had friends that would have this perspective that they knew they had to have if they went into meetings.

02:24:34.000 They were trapped, otherwise they wouldn't get the gigs.

02:24:38.000 Man, I don't even think it was the fault of the people that were enforcing it.

02:24:42.000 Of course not.

02:24:43.000 I think it's just a natural scenario where human beings...

02:24:46.000 One more time.

02:24:46.000 Salud, brother.

02:24:48.000 To the real podfather.

02:24:49.000 The real one.

02:24:50.000 To the real Joe Rogan experience.

02:24:51.000 Jamie.

02:24:53.000 Jamie's asleep. 0.99

02:24:54.000 Big fucking part of this thing. 0.99

02:24:56.000 He's been here all day. 0.99

02:24:57.000 I love that Jamie is like, he's like a hot property now in Austin.

02:25:01.000 Hot property.

02:25:02.000 Jamie is like, what? 1.00

02:25:04.000 This motherfucker's here alone? 1.00

02:25:05.000 Yeah, look out. 1.00

02:25:06.000 Is he single? 1.00

02:25:07.000 Dangerous bitches headed your way, son. 1.00

02:25:09.000 My goodness, this guy. 1.00

02:25:10.000 How old is he?

02:25:11.000 He's young, right?

02:25:11.000 He's 12. Fucking asshole.

02:25:13.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:25:14.000 25, 25, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

02:25:17.000 Yeah, man, he's been getting DNA shots every day I've known him. 0.99

02:25:22.000 Once the NASA people got into...

02:25:24.000 See, once I had to reverse my stance on the moon landing and then the CIA people took over, Jamie started getting shots.

02:25:31.000 He's been on UFOs.

02:25:34.000 He's like the nerdy type.

02:25:37.000 Jamie's already got a Neuralink.

02:25:38.000 Ask him.

02:25:39.000 Oh my god.

02:25:40.000 Yeah, he got it. 1.00

02:25:41.000 Fuck those pigs. 1.00

02:25:42.000 That was kind of weird, man, with the pig demo. 1.00

02:25:46.000 I'm like...

02:25:47.000 Elon, man.

02:25:48.000 I like it because he always does the anti-demo.

02:25:49.000 I didn't even watch that.

02:25:51.000 Come to me when you're working with monkeys. 0.99

02:25:53.000 I could not, and Tina's like, what the fuck are you actually watching? 1.00

02:25:57.000 I see Elon Musk with pigs? 1.00

02:25:59.000 What's going on?

02:25:59.000 When you can turn a raccoon into that Guardians of the Galaxy character, come to me then.

02:26:04.000 I love the idea.

02:26:06.000 I love the idea.

02:26:08.000 I would love to try the interface instead of the keyboard and just be able to think it and make it go.

02:26:14.000 I love to get the analysis power of the computer.

02:26:17.000 But I would like to be able to turn it off.

02:26:20.000 I have two concerns.

02:26:21.000 I would like to turn it off.

02:26:21.000 One, I don't want to be an early adopter.

02:26:24.000 But two... 1.00

02:26:25.000 If you're not an early adopter, what if those motherfuckers just take off and control everything? 1.00

02:26:31.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:26:32.000 Dude, Elon and I were talking about it.

02:26:33.000 It's not that simple.

02:26:34.000 It takes more than just the first generation of early adopters.

02:26:38.000 But I would say get in early.

02:26:40.000 But they do get a jump.

02:26:40.000 Get in early is what I'd say.

02:26:41.000 He was saying it might have a massive increase in their productivity.

02:26:46.000 Of course.

02:26:47.000 And that would be a huge advantage in terms of business.

02:26:50.000 Do you know what's really fascinating?

02:26:51.000 And this does play into this.

02:26:54.000 Most companies who have had people working from home have now cut 40% of their real estate portfolio.

02:27:02.000 This is going to continue forever.

02:27:05.000 The remaining 60% of their real estate portfolio offices have increased.

02:27:12.000 There's no more cubicles.

02:27:13.000 It's executive offices, meeting rooms, conference rooms.

02:27:17.000 Everyone else is going to be working from home.

02:27:19.000 And the productivity, almost across the board, from what I understand from my friends who are in IT integration, is up significantly.

02:27:28.000 Because people now know that they're at home.

02:27:32.000 It used to be, if you were working on the road, if someone heard a bird tweeting in the background, you'd be busted. 0.99

02:27:38.000 Like, you fucker, you're not in the office, but now it's accepted. 0.99

02:27:42.000 And so people are working from anywhere and everywhere. 1.00

02:27:44.000 And companies are fucking loving this. 0.93

02:27:46.000 Do people call people out on bird sounds in the background? 0.99

02:27:48.000 Back in the day?

02:27:49.000 Oh yeah.

02:27:50.000 If you're on a conference call. 1.00

02:27:51.000 Who the fuck? 1.00

02:27:51.000 Put it on mute, bitch! 1.00

02:27:53.000 You're walking through the city. 1.00

02:27:54.000 You're in Macy's.

02:27:54.000 I hear you.

02:27:55.000 Oh yeah, all that shit. 1.00

02:27:56.000 I had that too. 1.00

02:27:59.000 Remote work, it seems like it makes more sense.

02:28:01.000 It's done, it's done, it's done, it's done.

02:28:02.000 So live where you work, work where you live. 0.71

02:28:04.000 But what happens to like the cultures that are created by big businesses all working together?

02:28:09.000 The whole world is changing, Joe Rogan.

02:28:11.000 I know, but is that...

02:28:12.000 This is what's taking place, man.

02:28:13.000 This is why you keep that in view for us. 1.00

02:28:16.000 You keep bringing all the crazy fuckers. 1.00

02:28:18.000 Don't put that shit on me! 1.00

02:28:19.000 You have a huge responsibility. 1.00

02:28:21.000 Don't you put that evil on me!

02:28:22.000 You're in Texas now.

02:28:23.000 This is where legends are born, Joe Rogan.

02:28:25.000 But don't...

02:28:26.000 I mean, don't you think a lot of what we're talking about here, whether it's a conspiracy or just the way things happen when systems conflict with each other and one gains control and the opposing forces move in and take more control.

02:28:40.000 So it's always been that case.

02:28:43.000 In 2006, I was living in London and I got an invitation from the Queen of England. 0.99

02:28:49.000 Damn, son. 0.98

02:28:50.000 And she was relaunching the Royal website. 0.99

02:28:53.000 And I was invited to come and be a part of that.

02:28:56.000 And they picked me up in a car, in a Mercedes, interestingly enough.

02:28:59.000 I was hoping it would be a carriage.

02:29:00.000 Should have been a Rolls.

02:29:01.000 But you know the front gate at Buckingham Palace? 1.00

02:29:03.000 Took me right through the fucking front gate. 0.99

02:29:05.000 It opened up. 1.00

02:29:07.000 I went in there.

02:29:09.000 I was in this waiting room with about a hundred other people.

02:29:12.000 And there was, you know, art I'd never seen.

02:29:14.000 Rembrandt's, Van Gogh's, I've never seen those before.

02:29:16.000 And then this whole ceremony.

02:29:18.000 And then you shake her hand.

02:29:20.000 You know, you go down the line.

02:29:21.000 It's Mr. Adam Carre.

02:29:23.000 And I looked her straight in the eye.

02:29:25.000 Everyone's bowing.

02:29:25.000 I'm like, let me look in there.

02:29:26.000 What do I see?

02:29:27.000 And I saw nothing, man.

02:29:29.000 Lizard.

02:29:29.000 Yeah, lizard.

02:29:30.000 But the fact is that if we still are willing to believe that we need this tradition of this old lady with funny hats living in some prime fucking ass real estate in the middle of London, we got a lot of thinking to do. 0.99

02:29:43.000 Well, we don't. 0.99

02:29:44.000 We got a lot of fucking thinking to do. 1.00

02:29:46.000 We're American, goddammit. 1.00

02:29:46.000 We're here in Texas. 1.00

02:29:47.000 I don't know what you're talking about with England.

02:29:49.000 That's right.

02:29:50.000 This is the People's Republic of Texas, and it stands on its own.

02:29:53.000 We love our neighbors. 1.00

02:29:54.000 Those folks over there with their kings and their queens, they can go fuck themselves. 1.00

02:29:56.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:29:58.000 We're a very welcoming people.

02:30:00.000 This is where we're underestimated here in Texas.

02:30:02.000 We're good people.

02:30:03.000 No, I agree.

02:30:04.000 We're good people. 0.99

02:30:05.000 The queen thing is ridiculous. 1.00

02:30:07.000 I'm sure she's great. 0.99

02:30:07.000 I'm sure she's the nicest lady in the world. 0.99

02:30:09.000 But the idea that she's the queen...

02:30:11.000 I had lunch with the king and queen of the Netherlands a year and a half ago. 1.00

02:30:15.000 It's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

02:30:17.000 It's outrageous. 1.00

02:30:18.000 How did you get here?

02:30:21.000 They just were born in the right spot.

02:30:22.000 Right.

02:30:23.000 But why do sane thinking people still want them involved in their political and everyday life?

02:30:29.000 Because we're still kind of living in this caste system, in this system of classes.

02:30:34.000 Let me ask you this.

02:30:35.000 And that's where we're at.

02:30:36.000 You're a person who understands...

02:30:39.000 Blockchain and the idea of Bitcoin, a lot of what we're trying to do.

02:30:44.000 What people are trying to do, come up with new ways to run the world.

02:30:47.000 Is there a way of running a decentralized government?

02:30:52.000 Is that possible?

02:30:53.000 Is it a problem that we look at government like you have to elect these people and they have ultimate control? 0.99

02:30:59.000 Here's one of the more ridiculous ones. 0.90

02:31:01.000 Whether you're bipartisan, whether you're a staunch Republican, staunch Democrat, please, hold on for a second. 0.91

02:31:08.000 Why is it okay that if you get elected president, you can pardon people?

02:31:14.000 Like, is the law the law?

02:31:16.000 Or is it not the law? 0.98

02:31:17.000 Like, you have a fucking get-out-of-jail-free pass? 0.99

02:31:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:31:21.000 You have a get-out-of-jail-free pass for people that stole millions of dollars, who did all kinds of crazy shit. 0.99

02:31:28.000 You could just... 0.99

02:31:29.000 That's one of those.

02:31:30.000 There's a couple things you can do as a president, including appointing Supreme Court justices.

02:31:35.000 This is kind of at the core of solidifying that executive branch.

02:31:40.000 They needed some power.

02:31:41.000 That's weird.

02:31:42.000 So Congress, House of Representatives, they get the purse, they get the money.

02:31:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:31:46.000 Senate gets to be just cigar-smoking douchebags who, like, fuck around all the time, like, whatever. 1.00

02:31:52.000 But they have, you know, they make it happen. 1.00

02:31:54.000 These are the backroom cigar smoking deals.

02:31:57.000 And then we have the executive branch who needs to, you know, they need to have some power.

02:32:01.000 And so their power, because of course the Supreme Court for us is like, oh, the Supreme Court said it, man. 0.99

02:32:06.000 That's the end of the fucking line. 0.98

02:32:08.000 Which technically is not. 0.99

02:32:09.000 That's why we let the president appoint the Supreme Court and federal judges.

02:32:14.000 Isn't that weird, though?

02:32:15.000 The president has a four-year term.

02:32:17.000 Yeah.

02:32:17.000 But they can appoint someone who's there for life.

02:32:21.000 Well, they're all appointed for life only if someone dies or leaves.

02:32:25.000 So it's not every president gets this. 0.98

02:32:27.000 President Trump got some major fucking break here. 0.97

02:32:31.000 He got two, maybe a third, maybe a fourth, depending. 0.98

02:32:34.000 And I wish no ill on anyone.

02:32:38.000 RBG, you know, she's on the ropes. 1.00

02:32:40.000 She seems to be bulletproof.

02:32:42.000 I don't know.

02:32:42.000 And I like her.

02:32:44.000 She is...

02:32:45.000 I don't agree with a lot of her decisions, but she is an American success story.

02:32:49.000 If you know her story about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that's a very, very powerful woman who really is impressive.

02:32:58.000 I gotta pee again. 1.00

02:32:59.000 Fuck you, Joe. 1.00

02:33:00.000 Let me pause, and then you tell me the Ruth Bader Ginsburg story. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Give me...

02:33:05.000 Is this the first time Joe Rogan has had two pit stops on the show?

02:33:09.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:33:10.000 That's probably the first time, right?

02:33:12.000 Two within three hours.

02:33:13.000 I'm out of shape.

02:33:14.000 I took a whole week off.

02:33:15.000 I had to move and set up this spot.

02:33:17.000 My bladder shrunk back down to normal size.

02:33:20.000 My bladder was very impressive at one point in time.

02:33:23.000 I can go like four or five hours even.

02:33:25.000 No peeing.

02:33:26.000 Just strong.

02:33:26.000 Stay strong.

02:33:27.000 But eventually it shrunk back down.

02:33:29.000 So how can we support you moving here to Austin? 1.00

02:33:32.000 I'm already here, bitch. 1.00

02:33:33.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

02:33:34.000 I don't know.

02:33:34.000 We want to help you out.

02:33:36.000 What can we do for you?

02:33:37.000 What do you need, man?

02:33:38.000 What can we make easier for your life?

02:33:40.000 You've already done everything.

02:33:43.000 My goal as a person, and this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately, because...

02:33:48.000 I had a hard time coming to grips with this idea that people are listening to what I think.

02:33:53.000 I'm not an expert in anything, but I've come to the conclusion through all the trials and errors and pros and cons of my life that if we just go into things with the intention of working things out,

02:34:09.000 not of fighting, not of conflict, it's possible That all the excess energy that we have that's dedicated to these unnecessary conflicts, that maybe we can come to a comfortable agreement for both parties.

02:34:25.000 We're fucking that up because of this ancient DNA that we have that leads us to always want to go to war with opposing tribes.

02:34:33.000 I feel it in myself. 0.86

02:34:34.000 I felt it in myself when I was younger.

02:34:38.000 I've fought against it.

02:34:39.000 I've analyzed it.

02:34:41.000 I've been confused by it and humiliated by it.

02:34:44.000 It's a part of being a person, and it's a very strong motivation.

02:34:47.000 And I've mocked it many times, even in pro and con jest.

02:34:54.000 I understand what it is.

02:34:55.000 I get it.

02:34:56.000 There's a thing that we all have where we want to be loved and accepted by a group of our peers and our community.

02:35:02.000 But doing that out of fear, it leads to a lack of critical thinking, which leads to ideologies, which is why we have cults.

02:35:12.000 It's true.

02:35:14.000 In the late 80, 81, I was quite young, but I wound up in Los Angeles and I was trying to have some meetings, trying to figure out if I could be somewhere in Hollywood or something.

02:35:28.000 It was like a total lark.

02:35:29.000 And I had one or two phone numbers from, I think, the backup singer.

02:35:34.000 Remember there was Janet Jackson, What Have You Done For Me Lately?

02:35:37.000 Yeah, I remember that.

02:35:38.000 There was an answer record to that.

02:35:40.000 What have you done for me?

02:35:41.000 It was an answer record. 1.00

02:35:42.000 Here's what I've done for you lately, bitch. 1.00

02:35:44.000 It was kind of one of those deals. 0.99

02:35:45.000 I don't listen to those because those are negative.

02:35:47.000 Well, but back in this time, so I wound up...

02:35:52.000 In probably Compton area, and it was a...

02:35:55.000 I don't know what radio station it was, but it was probably one of KLX or the equivalent of New York, BLS. And there were these guys doing rap battles.

02:36:05.000 And so it kind of transformed from gangs to rapping.

02:36:11.000 That's how hip-hop really got started.

02:36:13.000 You know, you were battling against them, and you had the breakdance battles and all these different...

02:36:17.000 It was pure tribes against each other. 1.00

02:36:20.000 Maybe today's version, instead of bullshitting each other on some fucking... 1.00

02:36:25.000 There it is. 1.00

02:36:26.000 Exactly.

02:36:28.000 Oh my god!

02:36:29.000 That's so 80s!

02:36:32.000 That might be one of the most 80s things I've ever seen.

02:36:34.000 I don't want to say we have...

02:36:35.000 Oh my god, it was amazing.

02:36:37.000 That totally discredited my whole argument, just by showing that to me, yes.

02:36:42.000 You really ruin it. 1.00

02:36:43.000 Once people see the shoulder pads, like, Curry's full of shit. 1.00

02:36:46.000 Shut up, man. 1.00

02:36:47.000 That period should not be spoken. 0.99

02:36:50.000 Maybe we should all just be doing podcasts. 0.99

02:36:52.000 Everybody get a fucking podcast together. 0.99

02:36:53.000 Work it out. 0.99

02:36:54.000 Yell at somebody over some kind of Skype connection.

02:36:57.000 That's not the worst idea.

02:36:58.000 Just get started.

02:36:59.000 Get started.

02:37:00.000 Get started.

02:37:01.000 I honestly believe that we should come up with some sort of an agreement for how we communicate. 1.00

02:37:06.000 Don't be assholes. 1.00

02:37:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:08.000 Yes.

02:37:09.000 By example.

02:37:09.000 That's the only way.

02:37:10.000 By example.

02:37:11.000 Just that alone will shift so many things into the proper position.

02:37:17.000 By example.

02:37:18.000 Just be an example.

02:37:21.000 That's all it is. 0.98

02:37:22.000 I think we also have to acknowledge that people fucking change and grow over time. 0.95

02:37:27.000 Do we ever? 0.96

02:37:29.000 If we want people to get better, we have to assume and we have to acknowledge that whoever they are today is not who they were yesterday.

02:37:36.000 And there's a lot of people that are, like, I see it a lot with either alcoholics or drug addicts, where people just dismiss them. 0.94

02:37:44.000 And they go, ah, this fucking guy, he's just, you know, he had that thing with oxys, he's always going to be that way. 0.99

02:37:49.000 Are you fucking sure? 0.99

02:37:50.000 People can absolutely change. 0.99

02:37:52.000 Are you sure?

02:37:52.000 They can change.

02:37:53.000 If they decide, they can change.

02:37:55.000 And they can go on to become amazing people.

02:37:57.000 There's a grip that anything can gain. 0.99

02:38:00.000 On you, whether it's opiates or coke or whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

02:38:05.000 But there's some things that become you. 0.99

02:38:08.000 There are you.

02:38:09.000 The new Adam Curry system involves cocaine.

02:38:13.000 Yeah.

02:38:13.000 Well, no, but yeah.

02:38:15.000 If you got hooked on cocaine.

02:38:17.000 It's marijuana.

02:38:19.000 That is throughout my entire system, my being.

02:38:22.000 It's how I live a lot of life.

02:38:23.000 Let's just say it.

02:38:23.000 Meth.

02:38:24.000 We both love it.

02:38:25.000 It's an amazing thing. 0.99

02:38:26.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:38:27.000 Thank God for trailers. 0.99

02:38:29.000 I've never done that, but if I did, I'd probably keep doing it.

02:38:32.000 That's really all it takes.

02:38:33.000 And people have to at least, and this is the big problem, not be afraid to say what you think.

02:38:39.000 And think about how you say it.

02:38:40.000 Try and say something nicely, but don't be afraid of using something that is politically not right or could be a problem. 0.94

02:38:48.000 The term problematic is bullshit by itself.

02:38:51.000 Either it's a problem or it's not a problem. 0.95

02:38:52.000 I think we have this undeniable inclination to form groups.

02:38:57.000 And form groups of people that think along our lines and then everybody who opposes those thoughts, we close ourselves off to their perspective and we fight against them.

02:39:06.000 It's just a natural thing that people do.

02:39:09.000 And it's one of the reasons why we have so many problems with all kinds of different ideas is that people, whether you have this idea, when you've made a decision on a controversial issue in your mind, most of the time, what you're basing your decision is on your own perspective,

02:39:29.000 your education, how you, a wealth, let's just give it the best of possible ideas.

02:39:46.000 Of course.

02:39:52.000 Thank you.

02:39:52.000 This is the core of America, by the way.

02:39:55.000 Just to tie into that, my friend Mo, he was born and grew up in North Carolina, lives in Virginia.

02:40:01.000 He's ADOS. We've never met each other.

02:40:03.000 I've never even seen him.

02:40:04.000 Doesn't matter. 0.99

02:40:05.000 But one day, I'm going to go hang out with Mo, and I'm going to eat whatever the fuck Mo's family eats. 0.99

02:40:09.000 I'm going to hang out with his children and talk the way... 0.98

02:40:11.000 About things they're interested in.

02:40:13.000 And he's going to come and his wife will come and visit us and he'll see our side and our culture.

02:40:18.000 And it's beautiful because you can enjoy it with each other and still be different.

02:40:22.000 We don't have to be forced into this one, it's all the same thing.

02:40:26.000 I don't believe in that.

02:40:27.000 That's not fun.

02:40:29.000 That's not fun.

02:40:30.000 But it doesn't have to be all the same thing.

02:40:33.000 The idea of just people.

02:40:36.000 Just people doesn't mean it's all the same.

02:40:38.000 No.

02:40:39.000 It means we're all just people.

02:40:41.000 But there's people that live like this, and there's people that live over here, and there's a different climate there, and this place is really cold.

02:40:47.000 I get the idea that's not where some forces want us to go.

02:40:51.000 What is that though?

02:40:52.000 That's just people jockeying for control.

02:40:55.000 Should we concentrate on them or should we really concentrate on what we actually think about these things?

02:41:01.000 When I talk to rational people, what do they think about these things?

02:41:06.000 They kind of think what I just said, like just people.

02:41:09.000 It's just people. 0.98

02:41:09.000 This good, bad, smart, dumb, interesting, fascinating. 0.98

02:41:13.000 Everybody's different. 1.00

02:41:14.000 Yeah, people who don't read, who say brilliant shit. 0.99

02:41:17.000 There's people who can't see and they can play guitar. 0.99

02:41:22.000 But isn't that all basically coming from a place of fear, either not fitting in or not being understood or not understanding and just being afraid of what that means?

02:41:35.000 And I think that's fueled by a lot of things around us.

02:41:37.000 We're just afraid.

02:41:38.000 It's fear.

02:41:39.000 It's always fear.

02:41:40.000 It's a great mechanism.

02:41:41.000 There's always a lot of fear, and I think that fear encourages people to engage in groupthink, and it discourages them from coming up with a contradictory opinion.

02:41:53.000 If there's a narrative that all the really aggressive people, whether it's right-wing or left-wing, if there's a narrative that they're espousing, there's a gravity to that.

02:42:03.000 You want to tell people, I'm in, man!

02:42:06.000 Yeah, we need to do that!

02:42:07.000 Lock them borders down! 0.86

02:42:08.000 Oh, yeah, we need to do that and eat the rich. 1.00

02:42:11.000 Whatever it is.

02:42:12.000 One side or the other.

02:42:13.000 There's a draw to that.

02:42:15.000 What we need to learn is not to immediately say, you're wrong and I hate you because of it. 0.91

02:42:23.000 Because once we admit that everything we've just talked about, I don't know if I'm fucking right. 0.95

02:42:29.000 Just my opinion. 0.80

02:42:30.000 What you say is your opinion.

02:42:31.000 We could be wrong.

02:42:32.000 So you just have to recognize that.

02:42:34.000 And what I don't understand, and that's part of the mechanism somehow, is this, and maybe it's triggered by black and white checker boxes.

02:42:42.000 Maybe it's triggered by somewhere over the rainbow.

02:42:45.000 I don't know what's going on, but for some reason we're being triggered into Hating someone with a different idea. 1.00

02:42:50.000 And that's fucked. 1.00

02:42:51.000 That is completely fucked up. 1.00

02:42:53.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:42:53.000 That's not necessary. 0.99

02:42:55.000 Have you ever seen the documentary that was on the debates between Gore Vidal and...

02:43:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:04.000 This is a while back.

02:43:05.000 It's a while back.

02:43:06.000 I do remember this.

02:43:07.000 1960s.

02:43:07.000 What was it called?

02:43:08.000 God damn it. 1.00

02:43:09.000 What the fuck's the British gentleman's name? 1.00

02:43:12.000 There it is. 1.00

02:43:12.000 I don't remember. 1.00

02:43:13.000 Best of enemies, that's what it is.

02:43:15.000 Yes.

02:43:15.000 It's Gore Vidal, and who was the...

02:43:17.000 That was a very famous... 0.96

02:43:18.000 I'm high as fuck right now, I can't remember. 0.98

02:43:21.000 William F. Buckley. 0.99

02:43:22.000 William F. Buckley.

02:43:22.000 How about this?

02:43:23.000 And there was a really fascinating moment where William F. Buckley got upset at him and threatened to punch him and shit. 0.99

02:43:30.000 Trying to hit him. 0.99

02:43:31.000 It's real intense.

02:43:34.000 It's again, it's this, if I think I'm right and I think you're wrong and I want to prove that I'm right and you're wrong, it becomes a game of tennis.

02:43:43.000 It becomes wrestling.

02:43:45.000 It becomes a contest.

02:43:47.000 And any contest that people engage in, There's all sorts of factors that come into play.

02:43:53.000 The Mongols didn't conquer a quarter of the world because their ideology was right. 0.97

02:44:01.000 They had the right factors in place that allowed them to do that.

02:44:05.000 Elephants. 1.00

02:44:06.000 All kinds of shit. 0.99

02:44:07.000 So if someone has a control of a situation, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should. 0.99

02:44:19.000 William F. Buckley, son, William F. Buckley Jr., who was one of the founders of the conservative America, his son, Christopher, was married to my cousin, Lucy.

02:44:31.000 And this is... 1.00

02:44:33.000 Damn, dude. 1.00

02:44:34.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:44:35.000 My whole family is all kinds of government shit. 1.00

02:44:37.000 Blizzard people, right? 1.00

02:44:39.000 Come on, son.

02:44:40.000 No.

02:44:41.000 No.

02:44:42.000 No.

02:44:45.000 Maybe.

02:44:46.000 Maybe.

02:44:47.000 My Uncle Don is incredible.

02:44:50.000 He was very high in the CIA. He became Bush Senior's National Security Advisor.

02:44:58.000 So basically like the Michael Flynn or the Condoleezza Rice.

02:45:02.000 Did they frisk you at Thanksgiving?

02:45:04.000 Well, it's very interesting because I've never been cleared.

02:45:08.000 I have no clearance.

02:45:09.000 And so at some family gatherings, some of the other cousins of cousins who I don't really know that well, like, well, we can't talk about this because you don't have clearance.

02:45:17.000 I'm like, sorry, excuse me.

02:45:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:45:21.000 But that's really, if you look at the No Agenda show, it's been a truth-seeking of my own life because when I was in my teens, my parents...

02:45:37.000 They both told me that they had been involved in...

02:45:41.000 They were, I guess, called civilians in the State Department.

02:45:46.000 And that's why we had lived in Uganda when I was very young.

02:45:49.000 And I think that's why I probably moved to Europe.

02:45:53.000 And there's a lot of people who are...

02:45:57.000 My whole family is definitely patriots.

02:45:59.000 They've done a lot of weird things. 0.99

02:46:00.000 They've been involved in weird shit. 0.96

02:46:01.000 Everything from... 0.99

02:46:04.000 Well, my paternal grandfather was in the lieutenant commander in the Pacific, you know, the Japanese theater.

02:46:11.000 My maternal grandfather, Albert Schoble, he actually was German, but he landed at Normandy. 0.98

02:46:18.000 He was in fucking D-Day. 1.00

02:46:19.000 Holy shit, dude. 1.00

02:46:20.000 He got a Purple Heart and all the shit for it. 1.00

02:46:22.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:46:23.000 So everybody was kind of involved. 0.99

02:46:24.000 We got all kinds of, you know, very patriotic.

02:46:26.000 Did you ever talk to him about that?

02:46:27.000 I've talked to all of them.

02:46:29.000 And I've actually talked...

02:46:31.000 It's funny enough, my uncle I've had much deeper conversations with, and he's close to 90 now, so he's kind of done. 0.98

02:46:41.000 I mean, I hope he stays around for a long fucking time. 0.96

02:46:44.000 He and his wife, he was ambassador to South Korea. 0.99

02:46:48.000 I mean, this is a major dude.

02:46:49.000 And I believe he recruited my parents.

02:46:51.000 Both of them are gone, so I can talk about it.

02:46:54.000 I can't say exactly what they were doing, but I do know one thing is that, and this is why I think, once I realized this, I have distrust of the media, is that I believe my father was in Uganda to report on certain events that were taking place.

02:47:12.000 This was before Idi Amin came in. 0.90

02:47:15.000 So Abote was still president.

02:47:17.000 And I think the U.S. controlled Abote.

02:47:20.000 I'm not sure if they controlled Idi Amin.

02:47:22.000 We're good to go. 0.98

02:47:44.000 But that story was actually a message from United States Intelligence or the President or whatever, or the State Department, whatever our democracy idea was, whatever our fucking agenda was. 0.75

02:47:57.000 And so when they told me, they was really telling me like, you know, we're not in this anymore, we're not doing any of that, you know, we're legit.

02:48:07.000 But it opened my eyes to having lived this huge lie, not that I knew it, but, you know, why did my dad come home one day and he was able to speak French fluently? 0.99

02:48:17.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:48:18.000 I remember some of that. 1.00

02:48:20.000 You can tell me whatever you want.

02:48:22.000 That's a cool language.

02:48:23.000 Okay, bro.

02:48:24.000 No, it's not.

02:48:25.000 Well, it is actually.

02:48:26.000 So that kind of stuff was kind of mind-blowing.

02:48:30.000 And it really reset my thinking.

02:48:33.000 I really don't know much.

02:48:35.000 Both my parents passed.

02:48:36.000 My dad passed last year.

02:48:38.000 He was 80. The last several years of his life, the thinking was really not there anymore.

02:48:44.000 It just kind of went downhill.

02:48:46.000 And we never really had it.

02:48:47.000 He was gone a lot.

02:48:48.000 I don't blame him because he did what he had to do.

02:48:51.000 And I think all my family are very patriotic no matter what they were involved in.

02:48:55.000 I think it came from a good place.

02:48:57.000 And so I've kind of become this counterweight to all of that in some odd way. 0.99

02:49:03.000 But I know that a lot of stuff is bullshit. 0.96

02:49:06.000 And I know because I feel that my immediate family was involved in some of the creation of that. 0.98

02:49:12.000 Maybe a long time ago, but I don't think it got any better.

02:49:16.000 Yeah, I think everything evolves, right?

02:49:19.000 And if people are pulling the wool over people's eyes in the 1960s...

02:49:23.000 I think it's only gotten much, much, much, much, much worse.

02:49:26.000 It's just been much better at it.

02:49:26.000 Much better at it.

02:49:28.000 The internet has been a blessing and a curse at the same time.

02:49:31.000 It's always how it's going to be with everything in life. 0.99

02:49:34.000 As long as we realize it, as long as we can have it in the back of your mind, this could be bullshit. 0.97

02:49:40.000 Just have that in the back of your mind. 0.98

02:49:41.000 It's always a possibility.

02:49:44.000 With all these systems, if you're looking at it without any connection to who's right and who's wrong, you just look at it like this little battle of bugs battling it out.

02:49:55.000 Just look at it in terms of what are the qualities of each side.

02:49:59.000 Consider the source.

02:50:00.000 Yeah, consider the source.

02:50:02.000 It's just hard for people.

02:50:03.000 But also, go out and walk in nature.

02:50:05.000 Yes.

02:50:05.000 Connect.

02:50:06.000 Turn off the phone.

02:50:07.000 Leave it at home.

02:50:08.000 Just disconnect.

02:50:10.000 It's important for your immune system.

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:12.000 I really believe that.

02:50:13.000 I think so. 1.00

02:50:14.000 Leave that shit at home. 1.00

02:50:15.000 Go without it. 1.00

02:50:17.000 Make love. 1.00

02:50:18.000 I know it sounds nutty, but make fucking love. 1.00

02:50:21.000 Is that a Bad Company song? 1.00

02:50:22.000 Feel like a baby.

02:50:26.000 Is that Bad Company?

02:50:28.000 Yeah, of course it is. 1.00

02:50:29.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:50:30.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

02:50:33.000 Any sex song will do. 0.97

02:50:34.000 Any sex song. 0.91

02:50:36.000 Any sex song will do, man. 0.60

02:50:38.000 Yeah, man.

02:50:38.000 That's what we need to do.

02:50:40.000 What was the song about the kid?

02:50:42.000 Shooting Star?

02:50:43.000 Everybody thought they were that kid when I was in high school.

02:50:46.000 Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song. 0.99

02:50:50.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:50:51.000 I grew up, I was in Holland. 1.00

02:50:53.000 I think I missed that one.

02:50:54.000 You don't know that song? 1.00

02:50:55.000 Who the fuck was that? 1.00

02:50:55.000 Isn't that Bad Company? 1.00

02:50:57.000 Mm-hmm.

02:50:58.000 Shooting Star.

02:50:59.000 It's a song about a rock star.

02:51:00.000 I don't. 0.99

02:51:02.000 I feel stupid now. 0.93

02:51:03.000 It's an amazing rock star who dies young. 0.96

02:51:06.000 I had a certain set of stuff in Europe growing up around the same time because I was really there from seven on through teenage years.

02:51:14.000 There it is.

02:51:15.000 So I had a lot of different stuff.

02:51:16.000 Bad Company, second straight album, Straight Shooter, 1975. There was something about a lot of that music that got discredited.

02:51:24.000 Because it wasn't as complex as maybe The Who or Rolling Stones or Zeppelin.

02:51:30.000 There was some music that just didn't get the credit it deserves.

02:51:34.000 Billy Squire.

02:51:35.000 Remember Billy Squire?

02:51:36.000 Of course.

02:51:37.000 Lonely is the night.

02:51:38.000 Of course.

02:51:39.000 All of that.

02:51:41.000 Yeah.

02:51:41.000 There's a lot of stuff that happened in South Jersey, too.

02:51:44.000 A lot of Southside Johnny.

02:51:46.000 But also Skid Row.

02:51:47.000 I mean, those guys.

02:51:48.000 I love those guys.

02:51:49.000 People loved or hate Bruce Springsteen.

02:51:51.000 Yeah.

02:51:52.000 I will love him forever just because, but I don't really see eye to eye with him on a lot of stuff anymore.

02:51:57.000 I don't have to.

02:51:58.000 His songs, like Captain Jack, is one of my all-time favorite songs.

02:52:03.000 To me, it's The River.

02:52:04.000 That's a great song, too.

02:52:06.000 How about Brilliant Disguise?

02:52:08.000 Well, that was when I was just starting in television in Europe, and they had that...

02:52:12.000 Is it you, baby?

02:52:13.000 And it was the really...

02:52:15.000 He had these kind of soft, cool videos.

02:52:18.000 Like when he had fire.

02:52:20.000 Oh, baby, I'm on fire.

02:52:21.000 Hey, little girl, is your daddy home? 1.00

02:52:23.000 You were feeling that shit. 1.00

02:52:25.000 That's a pedophile song. 1.00

02:52:27.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:52:27.000 That was rock and roll, bitch. 1.00

02:52:29.000 That was rock and roll. 1.00

02:52:31.000 Do not associate that with the boss.

02:52:33.000 I'm sorry.

02:52:33.000 It's a mistake.

02:52:35.000 Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?

02:52:36.000 I went to Moscow with Skid Row and all those guys.

02:52:39.000 That was crazy.

02:52:39.000 I don't really mean that, Bruce.

02:52:40.000 No, he knows.

02:52:41.000 Just jokes.

02:52:42.000 Can we still do these?

02:52:44.000 We'd have to pretend.

02:52:45.000 Are we allowed to do jokes anymore, Adam Curry?

02:52:47.000 How do you feel about that?

02:52:48.000 You can still do jokes, can't you?

02:52:50.000 When's your next special?

02:52:51.000 When's your next special?

02:52:52.000 I need a special.

02:52:53.000 I can't do comedy right now, so how am I going to do a special?

02:52:55.000 It's going to take a couple of years before you get one together, you think, with writing and testing it out?

02:52:59.000 Who knows, man?

02:53:00.000 Who knows when we can really do comedy?

02:53:01.000 You need clubs and an audience, right? 1.00

02:53:04.000 To test that shit. 1.00

02:53:05.000 Well, not just test it. 1.00

02:53:06.000 It's just to perform.

02:53:08.000 Who knows when we can perform again?

02:53:11.000 Right now, guys are doing...

02:53:13.000 Some folks are doing outside places.

02:53:15.000 Was this Chappelle Camp or something I heard about?

02:53:18.000 Dave Chappelle took over a wedding chapel.

02:53:21.000 What's going on with that?

02:53:22.000 An outdoor wedding chapel.

02:53:24.000 And he set it up as a comedy show.

02:53:26.000 Socially distanced.

02:53:26.000 Everybody gets tested.

02:53:29.000 But there's more going on apparently.

02:53:30.000 He does them all the time.

02:53:31.000 He does them constantly.

02:53:32.000 Where are they?

02:53:33.000 Can you see them on YouTube?

02:53:34.000 It's in Yellow Springs, Ohio.

02:53:36.000 Can you see them online?

02:53:38.000 You have to be there.

02:53:40.000 I love this guy.

02:53:41.000 That guy is fantastic.

02:53:43.000 So you have to go there?

02:53:44.000 It's not recorded? 1.00

02:53:46.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:53:47.000 This has got to be HBO, Netflix. 1.00

02:53:49.000 No, he's got to be there.

02:53:50.000 Can we go there?

02:53:51.000 Can we go there?

02:53:53.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:53:53.000 Have you been?

02:53:54.000 I have not yet, no.

02:53:55.000 Have you been invited?

02:53:56.000 I've been busy, yes, I have.

02:53:57.000 Of course you've been invited.

02:53:59.000 What am I talking about?

02:54:00.000 This is the first show we've ever done.

02:54:01.000 Can I carry your bag, Joe Rogan?

02:54:02.000 Nope, I'm good.

02:54:03.000 I don't want any sympathy, but this is the first night we've ever done in this space.

02:54:09.000 So it's been like a weird transition to just decide we're getting out of L.A. and then literally two months later...

02:54:16.000 Can I ask you about that?

02:54:16.000 Just...

02:54:17.000 Because I had similar...

02:54:19.000 I was gone within six weeks once I had arrived here.

02:54:22.000 So you felt it, and you took your family down here to check it out.

02:54:26.000 You guys had been here before.

02:54:27.000 You got business here, right?

02:54:28.000 You've been here before.

02:54:29.000 Yeah, I've been here many times.

02:54:31.000 I love the city.

02:54:32.000 It just seems like you moved real quick.

02:54:35.000 I was surprised.

02:54:36.000 Well, my kids are in Zoom classes.

02:54:38.000 It's a real bummer.

02:54:39.000 It's a bummer.

02:54:43.000 Clearly, I'm not saying they should be in school.

02:54:48.000 I don't know.

02:54:49.000 Maybe you're right.

02:54:50.000 You know what the situation is, what you're seeing right now.

02:54:54.000 What I'm saying is Zoom classes are not healthy for kids. 0.95

02:54:56.000 It's weird.

02:54:57.000 It's a weird disconnect.

02:54:58.000 They're not around their friends.

02:54:59.000 When they are around their friends, they're more frantic.

02:55:02.000 I believe that children need a certain amount of socializing with each other in order to be developed.

02:55:07.000 I think it's important.

02:55:08.000 I think it's really good for them.

02:55:10.000 I think it's good for them to emotionally experience conversations with each other unsupervised.

02:55:16.000 It's good to learn how to talk to people.

02:55:19.000 It's good to go to your parents and tell them, you know, Debbie got mad at me because I said, and you said, well, you know, Debbie probably thought this, and you have these kind of Human interaction.

02:55:28.000 I feel like if the kids aren't right in front of each other all the time like that, they're missing some of that.

02:55:36.000 I don't know if I'm right.

02:55:38.000 I'm hoping that this is just a momentary roadblock and then a few months later from now, we have some sort of viable medication, whatever it is.

02:55:48.000 Whatever it is, we realize, okay, we're going to be okay.

02:55:50.000 And people can go back to school.

02:55:52.000 But kids, part of their development is interacting with other kids.

02:55:57.000 It's just part of what it is.

02:55:58.000 That's the whole point of going there.

02:56:00.000 There's a dance.

02:56:02.000 They learn.

02:56:03.000 I remember things that I said that was mean when I was like five years old.

02:56:06.000 Are you worried about your kids having this lapse?

02:56:09.000 They're 15 and 12, I think, or 13. No, 12 and 10. I'm not worried about it in terms of...

02:56:17.000 I don't think it's surmountable.

02:56:18.000 It's a minor concern.

02:56:19.000 The real concern is like, don't let your kid get eaten by a tiger. 1.00

02:56:24.000 In Texas, where we have a lot of those fucking tigers. 1.00

02:56:26.000 Don't let your kid starve to death. 1.00

02:56:29.000 There's a lot bigger concerns.

02:56:31.000 But I think that as a parent, if you know something you're supposed to teach to your kids, if you have an idea of something you're supposed to explain to your kids...

02:56:39.000 If you see things that are going in a weird way, so in this way, it's like you feel more of a need to have conversations with them about just life overall and also what they're learning in school.

02:56:57.000 But life overall, maybe even more so.

02:56:59.000 To let them know, like, oh, did you see these people around here?

02:57:02.000 They're people.

02:57:02.000 Just like your dad's a dummy, you know, and your mom has to figure things out.

02:57:06.000 Like, that's the whole world, okay? 0.99

02:57:10.000 Your dad will tell you right now, daddy's a dummy, okay?

02:57:13.000 Don't come to me with math problems, but I'm going to protect you as much as I can. 0.99

02:57:17.000 But you have to recognize that this whole world is filled with dummies like me, okay? 1.00

02:57:21.000 So most people that are making the decisions, or at the very least, are choosing the people that make the decisions, are like me and dumb. 1.00

02:57:29.000 So know that. 1.00

02:57:31.000 That's a lot to swallow for a 12-year-old.

02:57:34.000 Or a 10-year-old. 1.00

02:57:34.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:57:36.000 What are you doing to me? 1.00

02:57:38.000 Communicate with them and let them know, hey, we are all trying to work this out.

02:57:43.000 This is what being a person is.

02:57:45.000 My daughter just turned 30. My stepdaughters are 23 and 25. Finally getting it.

02:57:51.000 My 30-year-old, she fucking gets it so, so good. 1.00

02:57:55.000 She really gets it. 0.99

02:57:58.000 It's awesome when they get it.

02:58:00.000 Actually, when I divorced a second time, and this is the third final marriage, it's a charm.

02:58:07.000 I love it.

02:58:07.000 I was so in love.

02:58:08.000 Congratulations.

02:58:09.000 In love with my best friend.

02:58:10.000 Thank you.

02:58:10.000 And vice versa.

02:58:12.000 My daughter came to me and said, She sat me up.

02:58:16.000 The lioness came back to the line. 1.00

02:58:18.000 She said, listen, I'm glad you left her.

02:58:21.000 This is what you've done wrong. 0.99

02:58:22.000 Here's the stuff I think is fucked up. 0.99

02:58:24.000 Here's how you fucking damaged me. 1.00

02:58:25.000 It was some really stupid fucking shit, and it hurt me a lot. 1.00

02:58:28.000 But I've forgiven you, and now you are going to get up on your two feet. 1.00

02:58:32.000 You're going to be a fucking man. 1.00

02:58:33.000 You're going to move on. 1.00

02:58:34.000 And she blessed me on everything, and it was the most beautiful moment in my life.

02:58:39.000 And from there, it's just been...

02:58:41.000 Soaring.

02:58:42.000 Soaring.

02:58:43.000 And that's when she had figured it out.

02:58:44.000 She had figured it out before I had.

02:58:47.000 Very impressed with her.

02:58:48.000 That's heavy.

02:58:49.000 Very impressed with her.

02:58:51.000 You know what?

02:58:53.000 I think every child eventually comes to their parents and has a version of that conversation at some point.

02:59:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:59:03.000 And I think it's great.

02:59:05.000 The hope is that you'll do better than yours did and then your kids will do better than you did.

02:59:10.000 Of course.

02:59:10.000 We evolve.

02:59:11.000 But we're so afraid of making it worse or making them feel the pain that we felt or rejection or disappointment.

02:59:17.000 And it's a slippery slope, you know, what you do there.

02:59:23.000 Yeah.

02:59:23.000 I think we have to go back to what we were talking about.

02:59:26.000 We haven't even been talking for that long.

02:59:29.000 We've been talking for 50,000 years. 1.00

02:59:31.000 And already we've dumbed it down to fucking fingers on a touch screen. 0.99

02:59:35.000 But dude, realistically, it's been so short. 0.99

02:59:39.000 The amount of time we've been talking.

02:59:40.000 You make a good point.

02:59:41.000 We were talking.

02:59:42.000 We're no longer talking.

02:59:44.000 We're texting.

02:59:45.000 We're texting, Joe.

02:59:46.000 We're texting.

02:59:46.000 It hit a weird dip.

02:59:47.000 I think we're going to be okay.

02:59:49.000 Whew.

02:59:49.000 We're texting.

02:59:50.000 I honestly feel like if you looked at the way technology evolves things, technology evolves things towards demand.

02:59:58.000 And I think there's a legitimate demand today for more connection.

03:00:02.000 And people are finding it in mason jars and reclaimed wood.

03:00:06.000 Yes, of course.

03:00:08.000 I think if technology could eliminate this bizarre aspect of social media where you write things out and a person is not in front of you when this communication is delivered and you know you're hurting their feelings but you don't have to experience their My stepdaughter,

03:00:31.000 Ellen, she moved to Chicago with her fiancé two weeks before the shutdown.

03:00:38.000 From Austin to there, they were getting ready.

03:00:39.000 They had jobs lined up. 0.98

03:00:41.000 Everything shut the fuck down. 1.00

03:00:43.000 Horrific shit they've gone through. 1.00

03:00:46.000 But they already were on the path, and they're now accelerating that path. 1.00

03:00:49.000 They're going to Maine.

03:00:50.000 They're unplugging.

03:00:52.000 They're going to live completely within a smaller community.

03:00:55.000 Nomads!

03:00:55.000 Smaller community.

03:00:56.000 No.

03:00:57.000 Smaller community.

03:00:58.000 Igloos!

03:00:59.000 Going back a little bit.

03:01:01.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

03:01:03.000 We can learn a lot from this.

03:01:04.000 And if that's the trend, and we all make babies, please, we still have to make children.

03:01:10.000 Dogs are not a substitute.

03:01:11.000 I love dogs.

03:01:12.000 We need to keep making babies. 1.00

03:01:14.000 People, otherwise we become Japan and the Japanese debt trap. 0.92

03:01:17.000 The money will be fine.

03:01:19.000 We're going to have UBI, some version of it.

03:01:21.000 We'll be very innovative.

03:01:23.000 You've got to keep pounding the old in and out, eh? 1.00

03:01:26.000 You've got to keep making babies. 1.00

03:01:28.000 We need babies. 0.99

03:01:29.000 Otherwise, that will be a problem.

03:01:32.000 That's just my view.

03:01:33.000 I could be wrong.

03:01:34.000 I smoked some weed today.

03:01:35.000 There's a thing that people like to say, like, we don't need any more people.

03:01:40.000 Oh, the population bomb?

03:01:42.000 Yeah, it's been going on forever.

03:01:43.000 But it is kind of true.

03:01:44.000 There's a lot of people, especially if you're in a place like L.A. There's a lot of people, yeah.

03:01:47.000 But what's also kind of true is, don't you like people?

03:01:50.000 I love people.

03:01:51.000 They're my favorite things.

03:01:52.000 People are the best things in the world to play with.

03:01:54.000 People are awesome.

03:01:55.000 Yeah, but there is a problem when there's too many of us.

03:01:58.000 There really is.

03:01:59.000 It seems to always work out.

03:02:01.000 It was supposed to be too much here and too much then and too much then.

03:02:04.000 I'm not opposed to the idea that it's going to work out.

03:02:06.000 We've got a lot of space, man.

03:02:07.000 We've got a lot of space in the world still.

03:02:09.000 For now.

03:02:11.000 If we keep growing, eventually it's going to come to a point in time.

03:02:14.000 But then there's the other concept that as things westernize, people are less and less likely to have children early in life because they want to develop their career.

03:02:24.000 That's okay.

03:02:25.000 But then populations drop.

03:02:26.000 No, but you still got to do your 2.3 children.

03:02:30.000 You have to.

03:02:31.000 You can do it later.

03:02:33.000 My parent, I remember my mom said...

03:02:35.000 I'm getting my tubes tied because I've done my duty to the country.

03:02:40.000 She had three kids.

03:02:42.000 I've done my three kids.

03:02:43.000 I'm above average. 1.00

03:02:44.000 I'm tying that shit up. 0.99

03:02:46.000 Done with that. 0.99

03:02:47.000 And that was what you did at the time.

03:02:51.000 You got the tubes tied.

03:02:52.000 Tubes tied.

03:02:53.000 That's right.

03:02:54.000 And then she's still divorced and had a much happier life without my dad.

03:02:58.000 I believe.

03:03:00.000 Imagine back in the day when there was no tubes tied, there was no nothing.

03:03:05.000 Yeah.

03:03:05.000 But Joe, what did we grow up with?

03:03:06.000 You could stick your dick in, you're gonna get AIDS. That's what we grew up with. 1.00

03:03:10.000 What the hell was all that about?

03:03:11.000 We were all scared.

03:03:12.000 And where did that go?

03:03:12.000 It went away.

03:03:13.000 Yeah, it went away.

03:03:14.000 With science.

03:03:16.000 Went away with science.

03:03:17.000 And voting!

03:03:17.000 Isn't it amazing?

03:03:18.000 Isn't it amazing how it went away?

03:03:20.000 What killed us?

03:03:21.000 What do you think happened?

03:03:22.000 But wasn't it those protease inhibitors?

03:03:24.000 With HIV? That's a whole other show by itself.

03:03:29.000 For real?

03:03:29.000 Yeah, if you really look, I can give you some books.

03:03:32.000 And I've done this, just like I've looked at 9-11, all this stuff.

03:03:36.000 There's a lot to it.

03:03:37.000 The HIV, and it's Anthony Fauci, it is Dr. Birx, it is Redfield, it's all the same people.

03:03:43.000 Is it that anytime there's anything huge, like that's an enormous medical concern, there's also an enormous amount of money involved?

03:03:53.000 Is that part of the problem?

03:03:55.000 Yeah, yeah, that is.

03:03:56.000 Well, the whole system...

03:03:58.000 In 2008 or 2009, there was a financial conference, JPMorgan, Chase, Goldman Sachs, whatever, and they were talking about the future of medicine and vaccines.

03:04:08.000 And everyone was all jacked up about it because vaccines are not regulated the same as every other medication, so you can't be held liable if someone has a problem with your vaccine. 0.85

03:04:21.000 Now, there are vaccine courts where the government quietly gives you money and you can get some restitution, but if the vaccine is shit, you can't sue the pharmaceutical company. 0.84

03:04:31.000 So they saw this as a great... 0.99

03:04:34.000 It's like, holy shit, this is great. 0.99

03:04:35.000 Thinking from a financial perspective, you're giving people medicine, charging for it, before they're sick. 0.99

03:04:40.000 Right.

03:04:40.000 This is great.

03:04:41.000 So you had vaccines against smoking, addiction, and things that really I don't think fit the actual description of vaccines.

03:04:47.000 And now we're at the magical RNA, the mRNA vaccine, which is supposed to not...

03:04:55.000 Don't trick your immune system by giving you a piece of the original virus, but to trick your immune system into changing something in your DNA that will reject the virus when it encounters it.

03:05:07.000 So that's a little different, and it's not been proven to work.

03:05:12.000 Jesus, you're freaking me out, Adam Curry!

03:05:15.000 It's very mainstream knowledge.

03:05:17.000 It's not like this is something new.

03:05:18.000 Why does it seem like the next chapter of the horror movie?

03:05:21.000 Because that's what it is.

03:05:22.000 The virus gets released.

03:05:23.000 Everybody's forced to not work.

03:05:25.000 Unrest in the streets.

03:05:27.000 Murder.

03:05:28.000 Racist murder. 0.91

03:05:28.000 All of a sudden, everything's on fire. 0.91

03:05:30.000 What always happens?

03:05:32.000 Anarchy. 1.00

03:05:33.000 Here comes fucking Joe and fucking Adam. 1.00

03:05:34.000 We got our fucking shit strapped on. 1.00

03:05:36.000 We're like, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. 1.00

03:05:37.000 We're going to save the fucking day. 0.98

03:05:39.000 I get the mRNA to save the day. 0.99

03:05:40.000 Bang! 1.00

03:05:42.000 I have faith in the Republic.

03:05:45.000 I'm not worried.

03:05:45.000 It doesn't matter who our president is.

03:05:47.000 The Republic still has all the tools and the legality to function fine.

03:05:51.000 I don't care.

03:05:52.000 I have a preference that's irrelevant.

03:05:55.000 The Republic continues to function one way or the other.

03:05:58.000 We have the right tools in place.

03:06:00.000 It doesn't matter who's president.

03:06:02.000 It's not life or death.

03:06:03.000 There are shortcuts to a good future.

03:06:06.000 That's for other people to determine. 0.99

03:06:08.000 But we don't have to be worried about shit because... 1.00

03:06:12.000 America. 0.99

03:06:13.000 I'm glad you're optimistic.

03:06:16.000 I am.

03:06:16.000 And I think there's a real value in being optimistic.

03:06:19.000 I share your optimism.

03:06:21.000 I think if you look at human beings from measurable history to today, it's a clear path of doing better.

03:06:30.000 It doesn't mean that everything's perfect right now.

03:06:32.000 It's not.

03:06:34.000 But we gotta look at behavior. 0.98

03:06:36.000 We gotta look at, like, what do you, do you want someone lighting the building on fire because there's a guy inside that you disagree with who is the most progressive mayor in the fucking country? 0.99

03:06:46.000 Of course not. 0.99

03:06:48.000 Of course not.

03:06:49.000 But I'm crazy.

03:06:49.000 Progressives, he's like, Not enough!

03:06:51.000 Like, not progressive enough.

03:06:53.000 This guy is the most progressive guy.

03:06:55.000 The mayor of Portland might be the most progressive guy.

03:06:57.000 But doesn't that show that we're a little misguided and we just have to stand back and take a look at what's going on?

03:07:03.000 I think that they're misidentifying the conflict.

03:07:07.000 It's not as simple as...

03:07:09.000 I believe this and you believe that and I want to be rational and you want to be right.

03:07:14.000 Remember we were talking about how you need some kind of challenge, survival challenge in your life to be a full human being.

03:07:21.000 This I think unfortunately is what happens to probably younger people, I'll say 20 to 30. Their challenge has now become this dangerous game of taunting, burning, doing more than just protesting.

03:07:36.000 It can start with protesting, but that becomes a lifeblood that you need to have in order to feel like a full human.

03:07:44.000 We have our own challenges to feel like we are full humans.

03:07:48.000 You have yours, I have mine.

03:07:50.000 It's providing for your family and a certain level of success or whatever you're looking for.

03:07:56.000 Creating balance, right?

03:07:57.000 Creating harmony.

03:07:59.000 Happiness.

03:07:59.000 Yes.

03:08:00.000 In some way.

03:08:01.000 It needs the input, but it needs the inputs and results.

03:08:04.000 You need something that's hard that's either Physically challenging or mentally challenging or just work intensive or concentration.

03:08:12.000 Yeah.

03:08:12.000 And this replaces that for a lot of people, I think, who just need something to do.

03:08:19.000 A hundred percent.

03:08:19.000 And it excites the tribal aspects of our imagination.

03:08:24.000 It really does.

03:08:25.000 And it's unfortunate that it does that because it forces people to behave.

03:08:29.000 And it's really like the conflict has already been established.

03:08:33.000 It's already clear conflict.

03:08:34.000 It's not as simple as I think one thing, you think a different thing, and you can tell me why you think something, and I can just accept it without a judgment on me as a human being and my intellect.

03:08:44.000 And the problem is, if you have something that's opposed or is opposing the ideas I have in my head, I think that you got me.

03:08:52.000 You made, you know, you tapped me out.

03:08:54.000 You made checkmate.

03:08:55.000 Right. 1.00

03:08:55.000 I'm like, fuck this guy. 1.00

03:08:56.000 I'm going to fight this out. 1.00

03:08:57.000 Right.

03:08:58.000 And so your ego gets involved.

03:08:59.000 We need some deprogramming there.

03:09:00.000 We need deprogramming specifically in the idea that your ideas equal you.

03:09:05.000 That's crazy.

03:09:07.000 Yes.

03:09:07.000 You should be a thing that thinks.

03:09:11.000 And when ideas are presented to you, you should decide, hmm, is that valid?

03:09:16.000 Is that good for everybody?

03:09:17.000 Is that bad?

03:09:18.000 What is that?

03:09:19.000 Is that poison the drinking water?

03:09:20.000 And then move from there.

03:09:22.000 But when we look at anything through the lens of ideology, we have these boundaries.

03:09:29.000 You can't be a pro-choice Republican.

03:09:33.000 I think it's still fear that you want to look over there, but you're almost kind of afraid.

03:09:37.000 Like, what if I agree with it?

03:09:40.000 We have to find the courage to be less afraid of being open to other things.

03:09:46.000 There's a lot more people than anyone really realizes who are...

03:09:51.000 Not red or blue or white or black.

03:09:54.000 We had these meetups, no agenda meetups.

03:09:57.000 And it's just self-organized.

03:09:59.000 People get together all over the world.

03:10:01.000 Five people, 20 people, sometimes bigger, sometimes smaller.

03:10:05.000 And they're from all different ages, backgrounds, colors, religion, race.

03:10:09.000 But they know one thing. 1.00

03:10:11.000 I'm going to be clumsy here and I'm not going to get triggered by any fucking shit you say. 1.00

03:10:15.000 And we know that agreement is there. 0.99

03:10:18.000 And even if people are completely opposite, it's like, okay man, good, you want another beer?

03:10:24.000 It's possible.

03:10:25.000 We can do this.

03:10:26.000 It's 100% possible.

03:10:27.000 We can do this. 0.66

03:10:28.000 And this idea that you have to be, you know, everyone has to be in agreement of every single goddamn issue in the world, otherwise you can't connect with them. 0.99

03:10:37.000 It's nonsense. 0.98

03:10:39.000 It's bad for all of us.

03:10:41.000 I think what we were talking about earlier, that labels should be illegal.

03:10:45.000 It's a joke, but it's not.

03:10:46.000 No, it's not a joke.

03:10:47.000 Really, there's something to it, man.

03:10:49.000 There's something to the idea that labels are a real problem with us.

03:10:54.000 They're a real problem.

03:10:55.000 Because we adhere to those labels, then there's like a checklist of things you need to...

03:11:01.000 Oh, I'm on this.

03:11:02.000 I'm pro-Second Amendment.

03:11:04.000 You have to write all these things down.

03:11:05.000 And then you have to like...

03:11:06.000 If someone is on the same tribe as you, you have to agree with them about everything politically.

03:11:13.000 I think a lot of my views overlap with what someone would call conservative, but I find that an incredible insult if you call me a Republican or even a Libertarian or a Democrat. 0.97

03:11:22.000 I don't want to be fucking labeled anything. 0.95

03:11:24.000 I don't need that. 0.97

03:11:25.000 It's not fair.

03:11:26.000 I think the best evidence that this has actually taken place is what's happening right now between the right and the left and how polarized everything is.

03:11:33.000 How weirdly polarized...

03:11:35.000 Yeah, but is it really... 1.00

03:11:36.000 I think that everyone's now in agreement Okay, shit's out of control. 0.99

03:11:41.000 We've got to stop this. 1.00

03:11:42.000 Whatever's going on in the streets, it's not everywhere, but there's enough of it that it's fucked up. 0.95

03:11:46.000 We've got to stop it. 0.93

03:11:47.000 Everyone's in agreement.

03:11:48.000 So now both political parties are kind of, you know, the Democratic Party, and they've come in sailing in, okay, yeah, we think this should stop.

03:11:55.000 So that, I think it will start to stop.

03:11:59.000 This is going to have to happen.

03:12:00.000 Well, it's one of two things that's going to happen.

03:12:03.000 It's going to stop or it's going to accelerate, right?

03:12:07.000 It's all dependent upon what kind of reaction people have to it.

03:12:11.000 So whenever you want to take over a society, the best strategy is strategy from above and below. 0.64

03:12:16.000 So the below right now, let's just say if someone is thinking about this and running this and trying to fuck with us, Below is your on-the-street riots, Black Lives Matter, inequality, whatever people are pissed off about. 0.70

03:12:31.000 Above is COVID. That's why it's dangerous for us because we have this overall... 0.64

03:12:36.000 Compounding factors.

03:12:37.000 Yeah, overall fear of death.

03:12:38.000 Hurricane and an earthquake.

03:12:40.000 Death and you don't...

03:12:41.000 And an asteroid.

03:12:43.000 Oh! 0.60

03:12:43.000 And an asteroid. 0.60

03:12:46.000 Yeah.

03:12:46.000 I think we both agree that we probably can be okay through this.

03:12:52.000 Yeah.

03:12:52.000 And it's better if we don't freak out.

03:12:54.000 Yeah.

03:12:54.000 And we look for possible positive outcomes.

03:12:57.000 And that's what I think.

03:12:58.000 And it's hard.

03:13:00.000 It is hard to do that.

03:13:01.000 It's hard to do that.

03:13:02.000 Yeah.

03:13:04.000 Honestly, I think what I said earlier about controversial people having platforms, I think it's important that people figure it out for themselves.

03:13:14.000 You can't trick me with a faith healer. 1.00

03:13:16.000 Why is it going to trick you?

03:13:18.000 Is it going to trick your kids?

03:13:20.000 What are you telling your kids?

03:13:21.000 I don't know.

03:13:22.000 Isn't the problem that we need to educate people as to what people are capable of lying about?

03:13:30.000 Trickery, cults, evangelists, late night TV people trying to get all your money.

03:13:35.000 Shouldn't we let them exist and then point to them?

03:13:38.000 See that kids?

03:13:39.000 That's an alligator. 0.94

03:13:40.000 That'll eat your dog. 1.00

03:13:41.000 See that alligator?

03:13:42.000 If you walk that alligator by the lake, it'll eat your dog.

03:13:45.000 Now, if there's illegality going on within any group or whatever, then you need to process that immediately.

03:13:51.000 But it is illegal.

03:13:52.000 It should be kind of illegal. 0.98

03:13:53.000 Like, if you're fucking pretending me, you're talking to Jesus, and you give me an anointed bandana that's going to protect you from any financial... 0.97

03:14:02.000 No, I don't think that should be illegal. 0.99

03:14:05.000 No fucking way. 0.99

03:14:05.000 What do you know? 0.99

03:14:06.000 What do I know about the bandana?

03:14:08.000 The power of the bandana could be very big.

03:14:10.000 I don't know.

03:14:11.000 Tom Hanks movie, and it's real.

03:14:14.000 Which one?

03:14:15.000 Big, something like that.

03:14:16.000 Remember Big had like the thing?

03:14:18.000 Yeah, of course I know what that was.

03:14:20.000 Can you imagine if you were me and I was you for like 24 hours?

03:14:23.000 We had to go about our lives.

03:14:24.000 What would you do?

03:14:25.000 What would be the first thing you did?

03:14:28.000 Wow.

03:14:30.000 Oh, I don't know, man.

03:14:32.000 That's really... 0.99

03:14:33.000 I think I'm probably going to test out what I can do with my jiu-jitsu and all that fucking shit. 0.99

03:14:37.000 Let me go to the gym for a second. 1.00

03:14:39.000 Fuck, fuck, back kick, fucking motherfucker. 1.00

03:14:41.000 Okay, I like this. 1.00

03:14:42.000 I have to remember this.

03:14:43.000 When I get in my old body, I can do that.

03:14:44.000 Imagine when that does happen where people can literally become...

03:14:48.000 Like, you could put your body in an Olympic gymnast body.

03:14:50.000 Yeah, why not?

03:14:51.000 That's Elon.

03:14:53.000 Ultimately, that's where Elon's going, I'm sure.

03:14:55.000 What did you think about the test with the pigs?

03:14:57.000 Well, again, I think I love Elon for his...

03:14:59.000 Hey, here's my Cybertruck.

03:15:01.000 It has bulletproof windows.

03:15:02.000 Shatter. 0.99

03:15:03.000 And then we're like, what the fuck? 1.00

03:15:05.000 It's fine, man. 1.00

03:15:06.000 The fucking ball bearing at it. 1.00

03:15:08.000 It's fine. 0.99

03:15:09.000 I know it'll be great in the final mix.

03:15:11.000 We'll fix it all. 0.98

03:15:12.000 And it's like the pigs. 0.98

03:15:14.000 The pig doesn't want to come out. 0.97

03:15:15.000 They're like, boop, boop. 0.94

03:15:17.000 I know what you're doing.

03:15:19.000 I'm good with it.

03:15:20.000 I like the idea.

03:15:21.000 I'd love to see people who have MS or ALS, Parkinson's, whose brain is not communicating the functions to be able to keep those going because I think that's the initial application and that's fantastic.

03:15:35.000 But am I interested in at least...

03:15:37.000 Is Jamie sleeping?

03:15:38.000 I thought he was snoring.

03:15:42.000 I am very interested in the application of direct interfacing.

03:15:47.000 I'd like to go, I just want to do my email.

03:15:50.000 Like that.

03:15:52.000 And everything just happens.

03:15:54.000 Because he's right.

03:15:55.000 The interface between our brains and the network, the whole community, the world, has actually gone from ten fingers to one or two with our phones.

03:16:05.000 I like the idea of upping that bandwidth transfer.

03:16:08.000 But I would like to be able to make sure I can turn it off and I have control when I want it.

03:16:14.000 Doesn't it sort of go in line with what we were talking about when people have only been talking for a short amount of time?

03:16:19.000 Sure.

03:16:20.000 Before people were talking, it was just grunts and pointing.

03:16:23.000 Pictures.

03:16:24.000 Trying to figure out how to kill the deer.

03:16:26.000 In a way, we're going back.

03:16:27.000 We went from emojis on the wall to emojis on text.

03:16:31.000 Smiley face, puke emoji, mask emoji.

03:16:33.000 Well, you get it.

03:16:35.000 Right?

03:16:35.000 You do get it.

03:16:36.000 That's an abstraction of language.

03:16:38.000 Someone sends you a yellow fist.

03:16:40.000 So that is actually how computer code works.

03:16:43.000 Yeah.

03:16:43.000 Computer code is binary.

03:16:45.000 You've got an assembler on top of it.

03:16:46.000 You've got maybe an interpreter.

03:16:48.000 You've got a scripting language.

03:16:49.000 And then it's almost English.

03:16:51.000 And before you know it, you're just saying this emoji.

03:16:54.000 And you put these two emojis together.

03:16:55.000 You know exactly what I mean.

03:16:57.000 That is crazy, right?

03:17:00.000 Thank you.

03:17:01.000 It is crazy. 0.99

03:17:02.000 With the fucking, what is that thing? 1.00

03:17:04.000 The eggplant. 1.00

03:17:06.000 The eggplant.

03:17:06.000 You know what I mean, Joe Rogan.

03:17:08.000 Not answering my text.

03:17:09.000 Not answering my eggplant water emoji text.

03:17:14.000 There's something about eggplant water emoji.

03:17:16.000 That's a bold move.

03:17:19.000 Followed by peach. 0.79

03:17:20.000 Peach emoji.

03:17:22.000 Exactly.

03:17:22.000 You could bring that to court and people will be like, I don't see anything wrong here.

03:17:26.000 The guy likes fruits and vegetables.

03:17:27.000 What is he trying to tell me here?

03:17:28.000 He's clearly vegan and likes surfing.

03:17:31.000 That's another benefit of the phone, the flip phone.

03:17:33.000 I can't really do emojis.

03:17:35.000 Not much going on.

03:17:37.000 Adam Curry, shall we wrap this up?

03:17:38.000 Yeah, Joe Rogan.

03:17:39.000 Thank you so much, man.

03:17:40.000 Again, welcome to Texas.

03:17:41.000 Welcome to Austin.

03:17:43.000 You've got yourself a beautiful studio.

03:17:46.000 Thank you very much.

03:17:46.000 We did it.

03:17:47.000 We did it.

03:17:48.000 Welcome to Texas.

03:17:51.000 Thanks, man.

03:17:51.000 It's good to be here.

03:17:52.000 Welcome to guest number one here at the new place. 1.00

03:17:54.000 Young Jamie, you're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

03:17:56.000 You put it together. 1.00

03:17:57.000 Fuck yeah, Jamie. 1.00

03:17:58.000 Shut up. 1.00

03:18:00.000 Shout out to Jew T. It's for the desk. 1.00

03:18:02.000 Matt Alvarez for the place.

03:18:04.000 And that's it.

03:18:05.000 Alright.

03:18:06.000 Bye.

03:18:06.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 08, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1533 - Adam Curry

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