The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1562 - Dave Smith

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00:00:13.000 What's up, Joe?

00:00:14.000 Good to be back.

00:00:15.000 Good to see you.

00:00:15.000 What are you doing in town?

00:00:17.000 I came in.

00:00:18.000 I was doing my buddy Scott Horton show and hanging out with him for a little bit.

00:00:23.000 And you're looking for a place to escape.

00:00:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:26.000 New York.

00:00:27.000 Schultz told me that New York is like they just won World War Three.

00:00:30.000 People are dancing in the streets.

00:00:32.000 I was there in Union Square the other day.

00:00:35.000 We did a show at The Stand and it was the day they called it for for Biden.

00:00:39.000 And as much as I just despise Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, It was kind of nice for the city to just have one.

00:00:45.000 Just to have a day.

00:00:45.000 Yeah.

00:00:46.000 It's the only day that it's felt happy there since March.

00:00:51.000 Here, too.

00:00:51.000 People are honking in the streets.

00:00:53.000 I went to dinner with Tom Segura.

00:00:55.000 He was in town.

00:00:55.000 And we were driving down the streets.

00:00:57.000 People were honking and cheering.

00:00:58.000 And people were so happy.

00:01:00.000 I'm happy for people to be happy.

00:01:02.000 I like that.

00:01:03.000 Even if they're happy for a stupid reason, you're like, at least be happy.

00:01:06.000 It's just...

00:01:07.000 It's too complicated.

00:01:09.000 And you're a guy who knows a lot about politics.

00:01:11.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 And the way the world works, but it's too complicated to really go into depth about it for most people.

00:01:18.000 So, so many people just have this sort of cursory understanding of politics, and then they follow a narrative.

00:01:24.000 The narrative is, Trump is bad, you get him out, Biden's good.

00:01:28.000 And then you go, yeah, well, what about the crime bill?

00:01:30.000 What about the Iraq war?

00:01:31.000 What about what she did?

00:01:35.000 Nobody wants to hear it.

00:01:36.000 Nobody wants to hear it.

00:01:37.000 All they want to say is, the good guys won.

00:01:41.000 Now we're going to go back to being American again.

00:01:44.000 And then Pfizer announces a new vaccine.

00:01:49.000 Well, it would be nice if we could go back to being America again. 0.63

00:01:52.000 I think we're still far off from that happening.

00:01:55.000 But you're right that I think most people...

00:01:58.000 And it's not just politics.

00:02:00.000 It's true with everything in life.

00:02:01.000 Most people have expertise in very limited areas.

00:02:05.000 And for everything else, you're kind of just trusting what somebody else tells you.

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 Especially with politics.

00:02:13.000 It's so...

00:02:14.000 I know very little about it, even though I've read a lot about it.

00:02:17.000 I'm still, I'm like, what is all this?

00:02:19.000 You know there's some fuckery going on, and you know there's a lot of special interests, and there's a lot of money, and there's a lot of shenanigans, but it's like, to really know how this stuff works, to really understand lobbyists, to really understand how bills get passed,

00:02:36.000 to really understand Congress, to really understand the Senate, like, you got a deep dive for years.

00:02:42.000 Yeah, and then you still don't know a lot of it.

00:02:45.000 I mean, you know, you can go based off, say, like, what's been declassified that the CIA has been doing, but what do we not know?

00:02:52.000 I mean, and there's a whole lot that we don't know.

00:02:55.000 But I think we know enough to know that it stinks, that there's a lot of corruption.

00:03:01.000 And in many ways, I think that's what Trump, at least the people who support Trump, saw him as.

00:03:06.000 Is the guy who was outside that system who was kind of fighting for them.

00:03:10.000 Not saying that's the truth, but I think that's what a lot of Trump supporters saw in him.

00:03:15.000 Yeah, that was the simplistic comic book version of what Trump was to them.

00:03:19.000 And that's where that QAnon stuff all comes in and people thinking that it's really like this plot to stop child molesters.

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:27.000 Well, and the system is always...

00:03:32.000 Corrupt enough to give cover to the wildest conspiracy theory because they are already like you could say okay well Perhaps you know QAnon conspiracy theorists believe some really crazy shit, but then you just go but look at what happened with this Jeffrey Epstein guy I mean There really was this child sex trafficking ring that was covered up. 0.78

00:03:54.000 I mean, we have that woman on ABC News who was basically saying, I broke the story.

00:03:58.000 And my bosses told me no.

00:03:59.000 I think it was NBC. Was it NBC? Yeah.

00:04:01.000 We broke the story, but they wanted to protect access to the royal family.

00:04:06.000 So we would let a powerful multimillionaire or billionaire child sex trafficking ring leader skate because we wanted access to the royal family.

00:04:18.000 What the fuck?

00:04:19.000 How about that video where the interview where Prince Andrew...

00:04:24.000 It's Andrew, right?

00:04:25.000 Princess Andrew.

00:04:26.000 I misgendered him.

00:04:27.000 I'm so sorry.

00:04:28.000 Prince Andrew is on television with that lady, and they're asking him questions about whether or not he was there and what happened.

00:04:36.000 And you could see this look in his face like he's never really been questioned before.

00:04:41.000 The fact that he agreed to do...

00:04:44.000 It's so weird.

00:04:46.000 It's almost like he doesn't understand what a trap is.

00:04:49.000 Look, I've never been trapped before.

00:04:51.000 I'm a royal.

00:04:52.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 Is he a royal anymore or did they kick him out?

00:04:55.000 Something happened?

00:04:56.000 I'm not sure.

00:04:57.000 They can kick you out.

00:04:58.000 Yeah, they can.

00:04:59.000 They kicked out the dude who hooked up with the actress. 1.00

00:05:02.000 Yeah, he wanted to bail.

00:05:04.000 I think he left.

00:05:04.000 I think he left too, but he wanted to go back for something?

00:05:06.000 They go, nah, son.

00:05:08.000 You're done.

00:05:09.000 Wasn't there something recent, Jamie?

00:05:10.000 Wasn't there something weird?

00:05:11.000 Which one's he?

00:05:12.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 Harry?

00:05:13.000 Or is that Harry Potter?

00:05:14.000 Am I thinking of Harry Potter?

00:05:15.000 No, I think you're right.

00:05:16.000 It's Harry.

00:05:17.000 You confuse me with the Harry Potter.

00:05:19.000 I just think it's fucking so preposterous that we literally don't know anything that guy's done other than that he's a prince.

00:05:26.000 Prince Harry saddened and disappointed that his request for Remembrance Day wreath was denied.

00:05:32.000 Oh no.

00:05:33.000 The Duke of Sussex.

00:05:35.000 Sussex.

00:05:36.000 You know, we spend a lot of time...

00:05:37.000 Look at that name.

00:05:38.000 Sussex! 0.75

00:05:39.000 Was saddened and disappointed at the decision to snub his request for a wreath to be laid out at the National Memorial in London.

00:05:39.000 Yeah.

00:05:47.000 Man, the level of suffering that he must go through to not get his royal wreath.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, I wonder why.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, I don't think they let him.

00:05:59.000 Decorated war hero?

00:06:01.000 What?

00:06:02.000 Prince Andrew's decorated war hero?

00:06:04.000 What did he do?

00:06:05.000 High pressed buttons.

00:06:05.000 That's news to me.

00:06:07.000 It led to victory.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, I have a feeling the prince wasn't on the front line.

00:06:12.000 They weren't just like throwing him out.

00:06:13.000 He's a Royal Navy helicopter pilot in the war with Argentina to recapture the Falkland Islands in the 1980s and returned as a hero.

00:06:24.000 I didn't even know there was a war with Argentina in the 1980s.

00:06:28.000 Oh, I remember the Falkland Islands.

00:06:29.000 I remember the name.

00:06:31.000 Yeah, this smells like bullshit to me.

00:06:33.000 I don't believe he's a war hero for a second.

00:06:35.000 I'm a war hero and a royal.

00:06:38.000 I demand a 16-year-old girl. 1.00

00:06:42.000 Well, when you say it like that, I mean, all right, we'll see what we can get you.

00:06:45.000 It's just amazing that that Epstein guy roped so many people into that shit.

00:06:49.000 It's real weird, man.

00:06:51.000 It's real weird when something that creepy turns out to be true.

00:06:54.000 Yeah, and it's very revealing.

00:06:56.000 I mean, it's like, so if you had an honest press, you know, if they weren't Every bit as corrupt as those conspiracy theorists think they are.

00:07:07.000 You would think that the fact that, say, like a former president was on his flight logs would have led to a huge scandal where they would really want to get to the bottom of that.

00:07:17.000 You would think right now they'd still want to get to the bottom of that.

00:07:20.000 Like, hey, who else was involved in this?

00:07:22.000 Now, okay, he was on his plane.

00:07:24.000 We don't know that that means that Bill Clinton was involved in the worst aspects of it.

00:07:28.000 But you would think the press would at least want to find that out, and there's very little interest.

00:07:33.000 No, because if the press goes after Bill Clinton, then Hillary Clinton gets somehow connected to it, and then that could sink Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and that's bad for the people that hate Donald Trump.

00:07:43.000 Well, that's for sure.

00:07:44.000 Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion to be demolished.

00:07:45.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:46.000 Local real estate developer says he's in contract to buy the Waterfront estate and is planning to knock it down and build a new home.

00:07:52.000 That's the smart move.

00:07:53.000 $22 million house.

00:07:55.000 Oh, shit.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, well, it's expensive down there.

00:07:58.000 Meanwhile, it's going to be underwater in like five years according to Al Gore.

00:08:01.000 Right?

00:08:02.000 I also read he left it to a Christian group, which I was trying to find too.

00:08:05.000 I don't know which one of those two stories.

00:08:07.000 This is in the Wall Street Journal, so I'll believe that over the he left it to someone.

00:08:10.000 Do you think they just have to knock it down just because it's his?

00:08:13.000 So they kind of have to?

00:08:15.000 Do you think it'd be awkward if there was like part of it they wanted to keep?

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:18.000 When I was looking at real estate in Boulder, the house where the little girl was killed, what is her name?

00:08:23.000 The little girl who's in the...

00:08:24.000 Jomaday Ramsey.

00:08:25.000 That house has been for sale forever.

00:08:28.000 They can't sell it.

00:08:29.000 I think they even changed the address.

00:08:31.000 They might have even changed the name of the street.

00:08:33.000 Trying to sell it and they just couldn't sell it.

00:08:35.000 Because I remember we were looking at it like, this house is nice.

00:08:38.000 Like, why is it so cheap?

00:08:39.000 It's one of those deals.

00:08:40.000 And then you find out and you're like, oh, fuck.

00:08:43.000 Because if you can afford a nice house, you'd probably prefer not the one that a little girl was killed in.

00:08:48.000 Nobody wants that house.

00:08:49.000 Yeah.

00:08:49.000 Nobody wants that house.

00:08:50.000 What are they going to do with the one in New York?

00:08:51.000 It says it's listed at $88 million.

00:08:53.000 I'm going to buy it.

00:08:55.000 I'm moving to New York.

00:08:57.000 I'm moving the show to New York.

00:08:59.000 I'm buying it as long as it comes to the painting of Bill Clinton in the blue dress.

00:09:02.000 I've heard it's set up with a lot of equipment, so we should be able to do a show.

00:09:05.000 Okay.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, it streams right to the CIA. You don't even have to get them to watch you on YouTube.

00:09:06.000 Let's go.

00:09:12.000 They get a live feed.

00:09:14.000 Yeah, I'm going to buy that house.

00:09:15.000 All right.

00:09:16.000 Let's do it.

00:09:16.000 Fuck it.

00:09:17.000 Why not?

00:09:18.000 It'd be pretty epic.

00:09:20.000 It's probably a really good investment.

00:09:23.000 Probably worth 89 million eventually.

00:09:26.000 70 or 70?

00:09:27.000 So it's already gone up.

00:09:28.000 And then if you try to sell it, it'll be like, oh, this was Joe Rogan's place.

00:09:32.000 It won't have that Epstein stink on it anymore.

00:09:34.000 Great!

00:09:35.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:36.000 I think it's a good move.

00:09:37.000 I support it.

00:09:38.000 See if I can make it happen.

00:09:38.000 I need to talk to my guy.

00:09:41.000 I wouldn't buy a fucking newsstand in New York City.

00:09:46.000 I don't believe in New York City anymore.

00:09:48.000 I don't.

00:09:48.000 I think that de Blasio guy has ruined that place for a solid 10 years.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:09:54.000 We got the fans on here, right?

00:09:55.000 I could smoke the cigar.

00:09:57.000 They were.

00:09:57.000 I'll go double check.

00:09:58.000 Okay.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, it says it's for sale right now.

00:10:02.000 Gargantuan New York City mansion.

00:10:03.000 Home to Epstein Horrors. 0.68

00:10:06.000 Oh, you can rent it.

00:10:07.000 $30,000 a month.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, bam.

00:10:09.000 That's what we need to do.

00:10:10.000 We need to just rent it.

00:10:11.000 We could do a month of podcasting.

00:10:12.000 You know what we should do?

00:10:13.000 We should fill it up with homeless people. 1.00

00:10:16.000 And then leave.

00:10:17.000 Just rent it and just let homeless people live there. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Just tell them we want one room to do the podcast and then we'll have security that makes sure the homeless people don't go in that room.

00:10:27.000 Everything else, you do whatever you want.

00:10:28.000 Now that actually sounds like a Bill de Blasio plan that you're putting into effect.

00:10:32.000 That's more or less what he's been doing.

00:10:34.000 It's progressive.

00:10:35.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:10:36.000 Imagine if we did that.

00:10:38.000 They'd probably give you a freaking medal. 0.99

00:10:40.000 Bill de Blasio would probably celebrate you for doing it.

00:10:42.000 That guy's so silly.

00:10:43.000 You know that's not his real name?

00:10:44.000 Yeah, I do know that.

00:10:46.000 It's got like a German name?

00:10:47.000 Uh-huh.

00:10:47.000 Yeah.

00:10:48.000 He's a very, very weird guy.

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:10:50.000 Oh, he's the weirdest.

00:10:51.000 And really...

00:10:53.000 I think?

00:11:20.000 I think?

00:11:33.000 That sounds reasonable.

00:11:35.000 Yeah.

00:11:35.000 The fact that you could piss those people off and still be mayor is hilarious.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:40.000 Like, how does...

00:11:41.000 Well, they still only get one vote each.

00:11:43.000 So, you know, that's kind of the way it works.

00:11:46.000 That's cute.

00:11:46.000 Well, you just said it's cute.

00:11:48.000 Like, it really works that way.

00:11:49.000 It's just one person, one vote.

00:11:50.000 That's it.

00:11:51.000 No one has any additional influence at all.

00:11:53.000 Well, no, but I'm just saying that if you can win elections by playing to other people and also that, you know, some of those people kind of like the progressive rhetoric.

00:12:02.000 Look at this.

00:12:03.000 Look at this statistic.

00:12:04.000 It's bananas.

00:12:05.000 The highest earning 1% of New York City residents generated 43% of the city income taxes and 51% of the New York state income taxes collected from individuals living in the city as of 2016. That's crazy.

00:12:19.000 That's so much money!

00:12:21.000 And then you hear all this stuff about paying your fair share.

00:12:24.000 Jesus.

00:12:24.000 And it's like, so where exactly does that come in?

00:12:26.000 Is that not enough?

00:12:27.000 Well, it's like L.A., right?

00:12:29.000 A lot of people felt like even though the taxes were exorbitant, it was worth it because L.A. pre-COVID was pretty badass.

00:12:37.000 You know, the comedy store for us, like obviously I'm comedy-centric.

00:12:40.000 But the comedy store was open.

00:12:42.000 The restaurants were amazing.

00:12:44.000 There's so many things to do.

00:12:47.000 Yeah, it's crowded, but the people are cool as fuck.

00:12:51.000 There's a lot of good things.

00:12:52.000 And then as soon as COVID hit, everybody was like, why are we here?

00:12:57.000 Why am I paying so much?

00:12:59.000 And then they start talking about raising the taxes to 16 plus.

00:13:02.000 16 plus percent.

00:13:03.000 State taxes.

00:13:05.000 That's more than I give my agent.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, right.

00:13:08.000 You imagine?

00:13:09.000 Yeah.

00:13:10.000 Well, and it's, I think that also happened, I think even more so in New York, because when the, you know, like New York, it's the same thing.

00:13:10.000 It's crazy.

00:13:17.000 It's like, well, it's expensive.

00:13:18.000 You pay a ton for your rent or to own or whatever.

00:13:22.000 But, you know, it's like the best museums, the best nightlife, the best food, the best all these things.

00:13:26.000 But then all of a sudden, when the lockdowns hit, now people are like locked down in a one-bedroom apartment that they could get a house for, you know, anywhere else in the country.

00:13:36.000 And a lot of people started to re-question, why am I here?

00:13:40.000 And people started looking real pale.

00:13:42.000 A lot of my friends that lived there, they would go out very rarely.

00:13:45.000 And when you see them, they'd be like real sunken in.

00:13:47.000 And like, that is the worst look for your immune system.

00:13:51.000 I mean, you're not getting any vitamin D. Yeah.

00:13:53.000 You're not out there at all.

00:13:54.000 Well, that's the terrible irony of this whole thing, right?

00:13:56.000 Is that it really ended up fucking over so many people's immune systems.

00:14:00.000 Because the worst thing you could do...

00:14:02.000 Like, the best thing you could do for COVID is have your immune system in good shape.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:06.000 And the worst thing you could do for your immune system is, like, stay inside all day.

00:14:10.000 Be in a constant state of anxiety.

00:14:12.000 Don't get fresh air.

00:14:12.000 Don't get sun.

00:14:14.000 Eat like shit.

00:14:15.000 Drink too much.

00:14:16.000 You know, it's everything.

00:14:17.000 Yeah.

00:14:17.000 And have no money, right?

00:14:19.000 Because you're out of work, so incredible pressure on you.

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:22.000 And we may never know exactly what the total human cost of all of that was, but we'll get more of a sense of it over the next few years.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, it's sort of a disingenuous argument because they're comparing the total cost of the lockdown to the lost lives Because of the pandemic.

00:14:41.000 The problem is if there wasn't a lockdown, the loss of lives would be far greater.

00:14:47.000 And so you're comparing it to a different thing.

00:14:49.000 Well, you know, because it shouldn't lock down.

00:14:52.000 No one should have ever locked down.

00:14:54.000 But if they didn't lock down, how many more people would have died?

00:14:57.000 It's a real good question, right?

00:14:58.000 No, it's very – a lot of people like to make this a simplistic calculation and it's an enormously complicated one because there's many different variables on both sides.

00:15:08.000 So how many lives were saved by locking down?

00:15:12.000 I think it's very debatable.

00:15:13.000 I don't really know that it's a – but I don't claim to know.

00:15:17.000 I think for sure it was some.

00:15:18.000 Quite possibly.

00:15:19.000 But then you'd also have to look just first, apples to apples, how many lives were cost from the lockdown.

00:15:24.000 And I've read stuff, I was reading the other day, it was in England, but I'm sure the same is true here, that cancer screenings have like plummeted over the last year.

00:15:33.000 So now there's going to be all types of preventable cancers that are going to, we won't know this for years if we can ever really trace it back.

00:15:40.000 But a whole bunch of people will die from that.

00:15:42.000 Depression has been way up.

00:15:43.000 Suicides seem to be going up.

00:15:45.000 There's all these different costs.

00:15:47.000 And then, of course, what is the human cost of destroying people's livelihoods?

00:15:52.000 And it's very, very hard to weigh these things out.

00:15:57.000 And as you pointed out, you'd have to weigh it versus The cost of lives without the lockdown, not necessarily with, but it's like with a lot of these other issues.

00:16:06.000 People like to make it a very simplistic, well, if you want to prevent the virus, you have to be for the solution.

00:16:13.000 Same with climate change.

00:16:14.000 If you want to prevent climate change, you've got to be for the Green New Deal.

00:16:17.000 But the truth is that the real answer is, well, what is this going to cost versus what is this going to cost and which one is worse, which sucks because you have to think.

00:16:26.000 It's really important to have lively debate on these things.

00:16:29.000 And one of the things that's going on now is people are trying to shut down debate.

00:16:34.000 They want you to agree with their side.

00:16:36.000 And this is something that social media has really reinforced, right?

00:16:39.000 Like social media echo chambers.

00:16:41.000 They want you to be on their side.

00:16:43.000 And if you're not on their side, they just hit you with a bunch of bullshit about why you shouldn't and why you're on the wrong side of history and why you're a bad person.

00:16:51.000 We were talking before the podcast about lists that people are making.

00:16:55.000 I think?

00:17:13.000 Yeah.

00:17:36.000 I've been calling everybody else on the other side, you know, white supremacists, Nazis for the last four years, to now that you're claiming you won, say, hey, we all have to come together.

00:17:45.000 Meanwhile, other members of your party are saying, we've got to create lists of people.

00:17:49.000 So, like, this...

00:17:50.000 Well, AOC said it.

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 You know, a pretty influential member of the Democrats.

00:17:55.000 Which, you know, she's made herself, like, huge.

00:17:55.000 Very.

00:17:57.000 She's going to be president. 1.00

00:17:59.000 I don't know about that.

00:18:00.000 She could do it.

00:18:01.000 She's not very popular outside of her district.

00:18:03.000 I don't know about that.

00:18:04.000 I think with young people, she represents this idea that someone like her, young, hardworking, out there hustling, seriously progressive values, that you can get pretty far, and certainly in the public eye.

00:18:21.000 Well, you certainly can do what she's doing.

00:18:23.000 I mean, she's proved that.

00:18:24.000 Like, you could go to a very blue district and primary, one of the most establishment Democrats, and rise to national prominence.

00:18:33.000 So she did that.

00:18:34.000 I don't know.

00:18:35.000 Right now in the country, I think AOC would have a really tough time getting elected on a national level.

00:18:41.000 But who knows?

00:18:41.000 Well, she's only 30. Yeah, it's insane.

00:18:44.000 Yeah, so she's got a lot of time.

00:18:45.000 Boy, when I was 30, I was so fucking stupid.

00:18:48.000 It's kind of amazing.

00:18:49.000 Not that I'm not that stupid now.

00:18:51.000 I'm fairly stupid now.

00:18:52.000 But boy, when I was 30, I was dumb.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, well, she has a little bit of that, too.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, well, everybody does when they're 30. You know Bridget Phetasy. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Bridget Phetasy read some of her writing that she wrote when she was 24. She's like, oh my god, I was basically AOC. She's like, I was such a lefty.

00:19:08.000 I was so delusional.

00:19:09.000 She goes, and now I'm just so much more of a realist.

00:19:14.000 My worry about this Biden thing is that people voted for Biden because they hate Trump.

00:19:22.000 They didn't vote for Biden because he's a leader that they respect and they want and they admire and that he's going to lead us out of it.

00:19:28.000 If Obama was calling for unity, if he was the guy that was the president and he was calling for unity, we've got to abandon all these ideas about division.

00:19:38.000 We're all together!

00:19:39.000 And he brought everybody together again.

00:19:41.000 That might work.

00:19:42.000 That might work.

00:19:42.000 People might recognize that this really intelligent guy with this message of unity should be listened to.

00:19:49.000 But that did happen, right?

00:19:51.000 I mean, that happened in 2008. That's what Obama said when he won.

00:19:54.000 And there was a decent amount of unity.

00:19:57.000 I think he had an over 70% approval rating when he first came in.

00:20:00.000 I mean it wasn't certainly anything like the country is now.

00:20:03.000 But at the end of eight years of Obama, you had a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and Donald fucking Trump elected president.

00:20:10.000 So we had that, but it didn't matter because even with such a charismatic guy like Obama calling for unity and saying a lot of the right things, at least at first, The policies and what was actually happening in the country were really fucking over huge numbers of people.

00:20:29.000 And then also things that might have been somewhat out of Obama's control, but not completely out, is that the era of...

00:20:37.000 It was like the Obama recovery, which was the most cronious, corrupt recovery ever, and the woke lecturing all rose up at the same time in the Obama years.

00:20:48.000 Not all of it his fault, but some of it is.

00:20:50.000 Do you see that Kamala Harris has her gender pronouns in her bio on Twitter now?

00:20:55.000 I saw her say that in a CNN town hall when she was still running for president. 0.57

00:21:00.000 She came out and just, no one even asked her.

00:21:02.000 She just went, I'm Kamala Harris, my genders are she, her. 0.99

00:21:05.000 No!

00:21:06.000 What the fuck is this?

00:21:07.000 No!

00:21:07.000 What is going on?

00:21:09.000 No!

00:21:10.000 Did you see what Giannis Pappas wrote?

00:21:12.000 No.

00:21:13.000 He wrote, my gender is hee-haw.

00:21:17.000 He's like, I'm going to start a trend here.

00:21:19.000 I recognize it as hee-haw. 0.98

00:21:20.000 That's great.

00:21:21.000 I might take that on, too.

00:21:23.000 I might do that.

00:21:25.000 Hee-haw.

00:21:26.000 I like it.

00:21:27.000 It's a very strange, strange thing.

00:21:29.000 There it is.

00:21:32.000 Oh, it's in his bio?

00:21:35.000 Yeehaw! 0.92

00:21:36.000 Scientist and journalist, he wrote.

00:21:40.000 I love it.

00:21:41.000 That's fucking great.

00:21:42.000 It's hilarious.

00:21:45.000 I think, though, people like...

00:21:48.000 If you really did care about unity or whatever, which I think is something that maybe we should care about a little bit.

00:21:54.000 For sure.

00:21:55.000 I mean, not that we all have to agree on everything.

00:21:57.000 We don't have to all be one and all have the same attitude about everything.

00:22:02.000 But when you see what's going on in the country over this year, the culture war shit is really scary.

00:22:07.000 And people should be appropriately...

00:22:10.000 Concerned about that.

00:22:11.000 When you see what's going on in like, what's going on in Portland this year where you had like the fucking, you know, like militias facing off against each other.

00:22:19.000 You have like the Antifa versus the Proud Boys type shit.

00:22:22.000 It's like, we're...

00:22:24.000 It's like they're playing pretend civil war.

00:22:26.000 You know, like it's kind of a game.

00:22:26.000 Yeah.

00:22:28.000 They're LARPing.

00:22:28.000 Right.

00:22:29.000 But it's kind of not that far off.

00:22:31.000 Right, because people got shot and killed.

00:22:33.000 And there are people on guns staring each other down.

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:35.000 And for everybody, for every sane person, should be like, you do not want to see a civil war in this fucking country.

00:22:42.000 I don't care how much fun you think this is right now in the moment.

00:22:44.000 You don't want this to actually come to...

00:22:47.000 You holding your buddy's head while he bleeds out and screams for his mom.

00:22:51.000 Like you don't want that.

00:22:52.000 So the idea of toning that down is a good idea.

00:22:56.000 But I think the only way to do that is to understand why Donald Trump was president to begin with.

00:23:04.000 To me, the big story of all of this isn't that Joe Biden looks like he's going to be the president.

00:23:10.000 That's kind of boring to me.

00:23:12.000 It's like, yeah, Joe Biden got elected.

00:23:13.000 He's been getting elected for fucking almost 50 years.

00:23:16.000 Okay.

00:23:17.000 The story is still that Donald Trump...

00:23:21.000 Won the presidency.

00:23:23.000 And then, four years later, got like millions more votes than he got the first time.

00:23:28.000 And almost, by a hair, almost won it again.

00:23:32.000 I mean, that's like pretty fucking crazy.

00:23:34.000 Did you see when he was in Pennsylvania and he drew 53,000 people to his rally in central Pennsylvania?

00:23:41.000 And they start off, the first like four minutes of it are a chant, we love you.

00:23:41.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 We love you.

00:23:48.000 I mean, like...

00:23:50.000 What the fuck is that?

00:23:51.000 What's going on here?

00:23:53.000 And to just kind of dismiss it, like the corporate press attitude is like, well, it's racism.

00:23:57.000 I think there's a little bit more...

00:23:59.000 Failure of the education system.

00:24:01.000 I mean...

00:24:01.000 Yeah.

00:24:03.000 I always agree with failure of the education system.

00:24:06.000 That is always an acceptable answer.

00:24:07.000 But I think a big part of it...

00:24:09.000 It's a rejection of looting.

00:24:10.000 It's a rejection of the woke culture.

00:24:12.000 It's a rejection of being called a racist and being called a fascist.

00:24:16.000 That's a big part of it.

00:24:17.000 It's a lot of what...

00:24:21.000 This call for a radical shift in the identity of America.

00:24:26.000 Well, I think that's a huge part of it.

00:24:28.000 I also think that if you're...

00:24:30.000 The woke lecturing is almost like just the insult on top.

00:24:34.000 Like, if you're one of these people who lives in these towns...

00:24:38.000 You've seen for decades now, like, factories disappear, jobs get outsourced, the life expectancy has gone down, suicides have gone up.

00:24:47.000 You know, you're one of these, some guy in central Pennsylvania or all over the country, and what, you know, you probably lost your job, now you're working a shittier job.

00:24:56.000 You never really came back from where you were after 2008. Maybe you got a son who's addicted to opioids.

00:25:02.000 You got another son who like, you know, has never been the same since he got back from one of these stupid wars.

00:25:07.000 And then after all that, the people who sent you there are now lecturing you about your white privilege.

00:25:14.000 And then Donald Trump, all it really took was Donald Trump came in and said, you know what?

00:25:19.000 I'm for you.

00:25:21.000 I'm for you.

00:25:22.000 I'm not for the Mexicans or the Muslims. 1.00

00:25:23.000 I'm not for this woke show.

00:25:24.000 I'm for you.

00:25:25.000 And I want you to win.

00:25:27.000 It's a simplistic message.

00:25:29.000 And that's one of the things that he got across.

00:25:29.000 Sure.

00:25:31.000 He boiled down the whole thing to, like, make America great again.

00:25:35.000 Like, that's a simplistic message.

00:25:37.000 And to people that want to sort of, like, they really...

00:25:41.000 You know some country music songs?

00:25:44.000 By the way, I'm a fan of country music.

00:25:45.000 I like a lot of country music.

00:25:47.000 But a lot of country music I don't like.

00:25:49.000 Because I know what you're doing.

00:25:51.000 You're just trying to box everything into this real simple, we're going to go down to the lake.

00:25:56.000 We're going to have ourselves a drink.

00:25:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:00.000 We're going to take my truck.

00:26:02.000 Everything's going to be great.

00:26:03.000 You know, I miss my grandma.

00:26:05.000 There's this simplistic...

00:26:08.000 Really boiled down world view.

00:26:11.000 And it comforts people.

00:26:13.000 Because people are scared of nuance and they're scared of the complexity of life.

00:26:18.000 Yes.

00:26:19.000 And Donald Trump was a master at that.

00:26:20.000 Boiling things down to a real simple slogan.

00:26:24.000 A real simple phrase that people can wrap their heads around and get behind.

00:26:29.000 But there's also that on the opposition to Trump's side.

00:26:32.000 Where they try to boil things down to...

00:26:35.000 Well, it was racism or it was white supremacy or something like that.

00:26:39.000 And you're like, there's a lot more going on here.

00:26:41.000 And I really think that if, like, these people on some level recognize that they've been screwed over by the establishment, forgotten by them, and that they are hated by the establishment,

00:26:56.000 which is true.

00:26:57.000 Like, they're right about that.

00:26:58.000 And so they wanted someone to fight for them.

00:27:01.000 And I think Trump represents that to them.

00:27:04.000 I don't think he really was that from my perspective.

00:27:07.000 I think he's kind of a con artist.

00:27:09.000 But I do think that he tapped into something that's really powerful and that actually could get a lot worse if there's not some kind of, like, reconciling with it.

00:27:20.000 How does it get better now?

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 That's the real question.

00:27:23.000 Like, because...

00:27:25.000 What, like, how does it get better with Biden and Kamala Harris?

00:27:30.000 I mean, unless people start rejecting, unless people realize that things aren't going to change for the better with them in office.

00:27:36.000 Well, that's, I think that is, that realization is going to come.

00:27:40.000 About a year and a half now.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, something like that, maybe.

00:27:44.000 Maybe even sooner, because things go, you know, things move fast these days.

00:27:48.000 But I do think that, one of the things that's interesting with Biden and Kamala Harris is that a lot of these, like, Super progressive people are celebrating right now because Trump was out, you know, and so Trump was defeated.

00:28:01.000 And they feel like they helped get Biden and Kamala Harris in, which is they were certainly a portion of helping them.

00:28:06.000 And then Trump also is the one who is saying like, well, you know, Joe Biden, he's just a Trojan horse for AOC and Ilhan Omar.

00:28:14.000 He's a Trojan horse for socialism, which is actually complete bullshit.

00:28:18.000 Joe Biden, if anything, is a Trojan horse for Dick Cheney.

00:28:20.000 Joe Biden is a Trojan horse for the establishment, war hawks, Big banks, corporate elite, tech giants.

00:28:28.000 Look at the people he's filling his cabinet.

00:28:28.000 Yeah, it's going to be them.

00:28:29.000 He's filling his cabinet with Republicans.

00:28:31.000 But those Republicans.

00:28:33.000 But those Republicans.

00:28:34.000 The ones who basically caused this whole mess to begin with.

00:28:38.000 One of the things that Trump said during his campaign, he's talking about how much money that Joe Biden raised.

00:28:43.000 He said, I could raise that money too, but I'd have to make those deals.

00:28:47.000 And then I'd have to be compromised.

00:28:50.000 And when he was saying that, I was like, he's right.

00:28:52.000 He's not wrong about that one.

00:28:54.000 He's not wrong about that.

00:28:54.000 Because if he decided to play ball with all those guys, like, they would have got behind him.

00:29:01.000 The narrative would have switched.

00:29:02.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:29:03.000 And it's interesting.

00:29:05.000 It's a really important question that people might want to, like...

00:29:08.000 Even people who really hate Donald Trump.

00:29:11.000 And you can really hate Donald Trump, that's fine.

00:29:13.000 But you might wonder why it is that the establishment hates him so much.

00:29:18.000 And my guess is that it's not for the same reasons that your left-wing friend hates Donald Trump.

00:29:24.000 Like, I don't buy for a fucking second that the CIA and the Republican establishment Hated Donald Trump because he said mean things about Mexicans.

00:29:35.000 I just don't buy that for a fucking second.

00:29:37.000 These are people who will slaughter brown people in third world countries and lose no sleep over it. 1.00

00:29:41.000 I don't buy that's why they hated him.

00:29:43.000 I think what they hated about Donald Trump was that he was a wild man who would blurt out things.

00:29:50.000 And he'd blurt out a lot of crazy shit, but then he'd also blurt out the truth.

00:29:54.000 And that was something that nobody...

00:29:56.000 You're not supposed to say that.

00:29:58.000 When Donald Trump was running in 2016, he stood...

00:30:03.000 I think?

00:30:24.000 Because you can't.

00:30:25.000 These are the people who fought the war in Iraq.

00:30:27.000 And these are the most pro-military people around.

00:30:29.000 And the next day, at the primary, Donald Trump took 60%.

00:30:32.000 And all the other Republicans, all 12 of them, split the other 40%.

00:30:36.000 Imagine if he didn't say a lot of the dumb shit that he said.

00:30:39.000 Like the shit about McCain.

00:30:41.000 Like, I like people who don't get caught.

00:30:45.000 Imagine he didn't say that.

00:30:47.000 Imagine he didn't say the dumbest shit.

00:30:49.000 The dumbest shit that he said.

00:30:50.000 Remember the Gold Star family?

00:30:53.000 The Khan family, I believe?

00:30:55.000 He criticized the family about some...

00:30:59.000 I forget what the exact...

00:31:01.000 It was they spoke at the DNC and then he started trashing them.

00:31:05.000 Yes.

00:31:06.000 And their son died representing this country in war.

00:31:10.000 And everybody was like, that's it.

00:31:12.000 He's done.

00:31:14.000 Nope.

00:31:15.000 Wasn't done.

00:31:16.000 Imagine if he didn't do that.

00:31:17.000 Well, by the way, when that happened, I remember just screaming about this on my podcast.

00:31:21.000 I was just like, the response was right there, and it took him like four days, but eventually he did get it right, where he was just like, yeah, they died in a war that Hillary Clinton supported.

00:31:31.000 Wow.

00:31:32.000 What?

00:31:32.000 That's the response.

00:31:33.000 Is this a new one?

00:31:34.000 Trump suggests Gold Star families may be to blame for his infection?

00:31:37.000 I think it was the second thing.

00:31:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:39.000 No, this is a different thing than what we were talking about.

00:31:41.000 This is new.

00:31:42.000 The president, who is counting on support from the military members and their families, suggests that for a second time in a week that they might have spread the coronavirus at the White House.

00:31:50.000 Oh, so this is different Gold Star families. 0.65

00:31:54.000 That's the only president.

00:31:54.000 Oh.

00:31:55.000 But hold on a second.

00:31:56.000 Is that a real direct quote?

00:31:58.000 The problem is I don't...

00:31:59.000 This is New York Times.

00:31:59.000 Yeah, you gotta actually see.

00:32:01.000 New York Times has gone full woke.

00:32:04.000 They want to hug me.

00:32:05.000 They want to kiss me.

00:32:07.000 And they do, frankly.

00:32:08.000 I'm not telling them to back up.

00:32:09.000 I'm not doing it.

00:32:10.000 But I did say it's obviously dangerous.

00:32:13.000 Okay.

00:32:13.000 That's not exactly blaming them.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 That's not the same thing.

00:32:18.000 He's just telling them the truth.

00:32:21.000 See, that's the other thing, too.

00:32:21.000 Yeah.

00:32:23.000 This quote that they keep reiterating this thing.

00:32:26.000 He disparaged American troops who died in wars as losers and suckers.

00:32:32.000 But they're saying this in quotes.

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:34.000 Yes, because it was quoted by some anonymous source who claims that he said that.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, but that is...

00:32:40.000 How do you do that?

00:32:41.000 Multiple sources.

00:32:42.000 See, but you can say that.

00:32:44.000 You can say multiple sources.

00:32:46.000 But unless the people go on record, it seems like a very disingenuous thing to say.

00:32:52.000 Yeah, well, did you see the one, the guy who was...

00:32:54.000 Right, isn't that...

00:32:55.000 Am I wrong about that?

00:32:56.000 Oh, no, you're absolutely right.

00:32:57.000 Did you see the guy who revealed his identity, who was the guy who was behind that New York Times story?

00:33:01.000 Yeah, anonymous.

00:33:02.000 And they said high-level...

00:33:03.000 They said high-level executive.

00:33:03.000 Yeah, anonymous.

00:33:05.000 And then there were all these people in the media speculating, and they were like, well, the New York Times wouldn't do this unless this was a really high-level person.

00:33:11.000 It was basically like, wink, wink, this might be Pence, this might be, you know, Jared Kushner, this could be anybody saying this shit.

00:33:18.000 And then it turns out, it's like, Oh, this was like some guy who was once a chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security.

00:33:24.000 Now, I'm not saying that's nothing, but it's not at all what you were kind of making people think.

00:33:29.000 So I think it's a very shady way to do journalism.

00:33:32.000 And that's one of the things that I think is like...

00:33:35.000 One of the bright spots of the Trump administration, one of the best things that he was able to draw out was how agenda-driven the corporate press is.

00:33:44.000 And you can agree with their agenda on hating Donald Trump, maybe that's how you feel, but it's still something to...

00:33:50.000 Everybody knows now that they are agenda-driven.

00:33:53.000 They're not here like, we just give you the information.

00:33:55.000 They're activists.

00:33:56.000 Yes.

00:33:57.000 That's the rise of the activist journalist.

00:34:01.000 I understand from their perspective that they feel like they have this platform to do a good thing.

00:34:06.000 But I feel like you do the best thing by telling the cold hard facts and letting people who are actually advocates, activists rather...

00:34:18.000 Do the the activist work with those cold hard facts.

00:34:22.000 I have no problem with that.

00:34:23.000 If you want to be an activist go be an activist.

00:34:24.000 Yeah, but I think as a journalist though, I think It's very you're it's real slippery when you do things like that like like those quotes losers and suckers Unless you know who said it unless they're willing to go on record and say I heard him say it Then you don't necessarily have a story.

00:34:41.000 It's not the same.

00:34:42.000 And how did he say it?

00:34:43.000 What did yes?

00:34:44.000 What were the what was the and particularly if he denies it?

00:34:46.000 So if I were to just say, oh, Joe told me this thing last month, and you go, I never said that, you can't just run with it and quote that you said it, because you have no way of knowing.

00:34:57.000 The grab-em-by-the-pussy thing, you heard it, right? 1.00

00:35:00.000 That's real.

00:35:02.000 That was there, right?

00:35:03.000 So anything else, it's just so strange.

00:35:07.000 I understand their position, that they're coming from this place where they feel like they can do a lot of good.

00:35:14.000 They can change opinions, and they feel like the country's going in a bad direction.

00:35:17.000 And they felt like with Donald Trump, this country's sliding into this horrible fascist state, and they want to do everything they can to prevent it, and they have the green light from all the other people that are there.

00:35:28.000 But all this stuff, these lessons that have been learned in the past about why it's so important to be totally honest and unbiased in terms of disseminating information, You have to kind of do that.

00:35:42.000 And then other people are supposed to take that information that you've disseminated unbiased and have these perspectives and debate both sides.

00:35:51.000 That's what's supposed to happen.

00:35:53.000 The problem is when you get this distorted perception from the media that's very biased and that is not objective at all.

00:35:59.000 It's like you're trying to lean towards a very particular conclusion that they think is right.

00:36:04.000 They think it's a good thing.

00:36:06.000 But when you do that, then you don't have a...

00:36:09.000 Who is the Walter Cronkite?

00:36:14.000 Who is the unbiased journalist?

00:36:17.000 Who's the one that we trust for information?

00:36:19.000 It used to be the New York Times.

00:36:20.000 The New York Times used to be brutally honest about basically everything.

00:36:24.000 And now you read something in the New York Times like we did, and we go, oh, it's the New York Times, though.

00:36:27.000 Yeah.

00:36:28.000 Like, that's a weird shift that's happened in the last 10 years.

00:36:32.000 Like, less.

00:36:32.000 Right?

00:36:33.000 Well, yeah.

00:36:34.000 I mean, it's definitely been, like, exposed in the last 10 years.

00:36:37.000 But I think that, truthfully, I think it's kind of a silver lining that at least people are starting to be aware of that.

00:36:43.000 People are starting to go, like, okay, I know that these institutions are not to be trusted.

00:36:48.000 Because, truthfully speaking, they got, you know...

00:36:51.000 It's like I was saying to you before we started, where it's like for all the shit that people give Alex Jones, he got all of the biggest stories right over the last 20 years.

00:37:00.000 And I'm not saying he didn't get anything wrong, but really, really big things like should we go to war in Iraq?

00:37:05.000 Should we bail out bankers?

00:37:07.000 Should all of this?

00:37:07.000 He called these as lies and corruption right away.

00:37:10.000 And the New York Times was selling all of these.

00:37:13.000 I mean, they sold the war in Iraq.

00:37:15.000 And so it's, to me...

00:37:17.000 It's not the worst thing in the world if people at least recognize that these institutions are completely compromised.

00:37:24.000 And I agree with you that there is a role for objective journalism, but I would at least accept if they were like, hey listen, we think, like what you just said, we think we have this platform and we need to use this to get Donald Trump not elected.

00:37:36.000 At least be honest with it.

00:37:38.000 Don't bullshit me and tell me we're just doing objective news and every single story is about how Donald Trump is, you know, needs to...

00:37:45.000 They don't even address it.

00:37:46.000 They don't say they're doing objective news anymore.

00:37:49.000 They just do their thing.

00:37:50.000 Well, they call other news fake news.

00:37:53.000 The New York Times doesn't.

00:37:54.000 Well, the New York Times may not, but I'm speaking in the corporate press in general.

00:37:57.000 They'll say, well, there's fake news out on the internet.

00:37:59.000 And even the New York Times has done stories about how Social media companies need to do more to, you know, combat fake news on the internet and things like that.

00:38:07.000 But they're talking about like super hardcore QAnon type shit, aren't they?

00:38:11.000 Well, kind of.

00:38:11.000 I mean, it starts with that and then they'll use that as an example, but then usually they also go to other things like, look, this New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop was called fake news from the day it came out to the point that not only would all of the corporate press not report on it,

00:38:27.000 But that social media companies were banning the link and Twitter froze the New York Post's Twitter account.

00:38:32.000 One of the CNN journalists on Twitter called it Russian disinformation.

00:38:37.000 Yes.

00:38:37.000 A bunch of people called it Russian disinformation.

00:38:39.000 I wonder if it was Russian disinformation, the photo of the girl giving him a foot job?

00:38:44.000 Yes.

00:38:45.000 Was that Russian?

00:38:45.000 She was Russian and the foot was Russian.

00:38:48.000 It was a Russian foot job. 0.93

00:38:50.000 What happened to that?

00:38:51.000 I kind of lost track of what was happening with the laptop.

00:38:54.000 Have they shared information of it?

00:38:57.000 Rudy Giuliani sold it on eBay.

00:38:58.000 Was that what was going on at the landscaping thing?

00:39:00.000 Made a killing.

00:39:01.000 I don't know.

00:39:01.000 At the Four Seasons landscaping thing?

00:39:02.000 I don't know.

00:39:03.000 This is the thing that's going on.

00:39:05.000 It's almost like too much information is coming at us.

00:39:07.000 Well, look, it's basically been verified that this was Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:39:13.000 I mean, within any reasonable standard for a journalist to verify something, I mean, number one, the Bidens didn't deny it.

00:39:21.000 Like, nobody actually came out and denied that this was.

00:39:24.000 They had his signature at the repair shop, which they matched up to his signature.

00:39:28.000 They've had other people on the email chains confirm that these were emails between them and Hunter Biden.

00:39:33.000 So it's been pretty reasonably kind of verified that this was Hunter Biden.

00:39:38.000 Now, I don't know about the crazier accusations that were made there.

00:39:42.000 I mean, Rudy Giuliani said that there were pictures of underage girls and stuff like that.

00:39:46.000 I don't know if that's true or not.

00:39:47.000 But Rudy Giuliani did turn it over to the Delaware police.

00:39:51.000 That is true because the Delaware, a spokesman for the Attorney General, We're good to go.

00:40:20.000 Now, truth be told, that's a kind of run-of-the-mill scandal as far as politics go.

00:40:24.000 It's normal.

00:40:25.000 Every senator's kid, family, wife, they all do stuff like this all the time. 0.93

00:40:29.000 It's a corrupt swamp, you know?

00:40:31.000 But it's a story nonetheless.

00:40:34.000 It may not be the – but to just make the conscious decision – That we are a few weeks out from a presidential election.

00:40:40.000 This can harm Biden.

00:40:42.000 And therefore, we're not mentioning it.

00:40:45.000 We're not covering it.

00:40:46.000 We're not trying to debunk this to a bunch of people.

00:40:48.000 We are trying to make sure people never get their eyes on this.

00:40:52.000 That's creepy.

00:40:54.000 They felt the heat from 2016, from the Hillary Clinton email debate, you know, whether or not she should have deleted those emails, and the fact that Comey then opens up the investigation again in the middle of the campaign, and that was basically what a lot, even though she won the popular vote, a lot of people felt like that was a bad move.

00:41:13.000 And so this year they said, we're going to do everything we can to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:41:16.000 Again, they become activists instead of just journalists.

00:41:21.000 Well, that's 100% what happened.

00:41:21.000 It's tricky.

00:41:23.000 I mean, they felt in a way that they were responsible for Donald Trump winning.

00:41:28.000 Ex-Hunter Biden Associates' records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions.

00:41:36.000 This is on Fox News.

00:41:38.000 Well, Fox News has taken a turn, ladies and gentlemen.

00:41:41.000 They seem to have made a conscious internal decision to not favor Donald Trump anymore.

00:41:48.000 I don't think Fox News was ever that behind Donald Trump.

00:41:51.000 I mean, there's a few people at Fox News who are hardcore behind Donald Trump.

00:41:55.000 But as an organization, I mean, remember, they were very hostile to him in the Republican primary.

00:42:00.000 He wasn't the Fox News guy.

00:42:02.000 Jeb Bush was the Fox News guy.

00:42:04.000 And he, I think a lot of people were very happy, are very happy to get rid of him.

00:42:08.000 Let me see that article again.

00:42:09.000 This is interesting.

00:42:12.000 I wonder what that means.

00:42:13.000 Ex-Hunter Biden Associates records.

00:42:16.000 But what does that mean?

00:42:18.000 But listen to this.

00:42:21.000 Ex-Hunter Biden's associates' records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions.

00:42:28.000 That doesn't mean much.

00:42:29.000 No.

00:42:29.000 Well, what he claimed was that – and they're saying Joe Biden, that he couldn't prove Joe Biden was – it's a very confusing title – because he claimed that he had met with Joe Biden and Joe Biden was aware of all the dealings that Hunter was doing.

00:42:42.000 Fox News has reviewed emails from, look at that name, Bobulinski, related to the venture, and they don't show that the elder Biden had business dealings.

00:42:42.000 Here it is.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, but see, that's weird.

00:42:57.000 We could say that Jamie is my business associate, right?

00:43:01.000 And if I'm involved in some shady shit...

00:43:04.000 And Jamie doesn't know about it, and Jamie and I are emailing back and forth, and they get into Jamie's emails, and they say, ex-Joe Rogan's business associate doesn't show any association.

00:43:16.000 Isn't that what they're making the claim, is that this is the evidence, is the emails.

00:43:19.000 They're like, hey, we found some emails, and the emails say this, and now according to Fox News, they're like, that's not what they say.

00:43:25.000 Right, but the emails to who?

00:43:27.000 Is it to that guy?

00:43:29.000 Because if it's not to that guy, then this is not relative.

00:43:32.000 And then they're playing games with words.

00:43:34.000 Like, I would have to read what exactly they're saying, what exactly he's saying.

00:43:38.000 That's part of the problem, too.

00:43:39.000 I've looked a couple times.

00:43:40.000 That's what I was sort of just looking again.

00:43:43.000 Normally, this shit gets leaked.

00:43:45.000 You know, like, when all those celebrities got their fucking iClouds leaked, all those pictures hit the internet instantly, and you could find them all over the place.

00:43:52.000 These emails have, like, barely been seen by, I feel like, anybody.

00:43:56.000 Well, these emails were – I believe he turned these over to the FBI. So I don't know where they would leak from.

00:44:03.000 Not to say that they couldn't leak.

00:44:05.000 But I think the point of this article is that what he claimed – what this Bobulinski guy claimed was that Joe Biden himself was very involved in all the business deals that Hunter and him were doing and that his emails couldn't prove that.

00:44:17.000 Because they, you know, the thing was they said they had these references to like the big guy and stuff like that, but that they couldn't prove that Joe Biden knew about this.

00:44:25.000 But he's claiming, whether this is true or not, he's claiming that he's met Joe Biden several times and they've talked about it and Joe Biden was well aware of what Hunter Biden was doing and where he was making his money from.

00:44:36.000 Again, I think it's a kind of run-of-the-mill political scandal, that aspect of it.

00:44:40.000 The bigger thing is that this goes on all over the place.

00:44:43.000 I mean, all over the fucking place.

00:44:45.000 The conflicts of interest, the corruption.

00:44:48.000 You see where Obama spoke after he was president.

00:44:52.000 We get like $400,000 or something like that for a speech in front of bankers.

00:44:56.000 And he was the guy who presided over the bank bailout.

00:44:59.000 And then you get out and it's like, oh, here's four.

00:45:01.000 The bankers really just wanted to hear Barack Obama speak.

00:45:04.000 I mean, he's a good speaker, but come on, man.

00:45:06.000 What's going on here?

00:45:07.000 Hillary got a lot of those, too.

00:45:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:08.000 Tons of them.

00:45:09.000 And that's where they make the bulk of their money, right?

00:45:11.000 When they get out of the office, then they do these speeches.

00:45:14.000 Yeah.

00:45:15.000 Which is kind of hilarious.

00:45:16.000 Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, I believe, the ballpark numbers, they left the White House, their net worth was around $4 million, and then it was well over $100 million by 2016. So they made a lot of money after the White House.

00:45:30.000 U.S. planned sale of F-35 fighter jets to UAE and $23 billion arms deal.

00:45:35.000 Trump administration.

00:45:36.000 Yep.

00:45:37.000 They're saying, I was reading today, they're saying he's making a bunch of deals now on his way out.

00:45:40.000 Oh, sure.

00:45:41.000 That a plan to sell 50 advanced F-35 fighters to the United Arab Emirates as a part of a broader arms deal worth more than $23 billion.

00:45:49.000 That's the weird thing about someone on the way out.

00:45:52.000 They can do so much.

00:45:53.000 Well, I don't know that he's on the way out.

00:45:55.000 You don't think he's on the way out?

00:45:57.000 Well, yeah.

00:45:57.000 He's almost certainly on the way out.

00:45:59.000 But he's going to fight it.

00:46:00.000 Yeah, but do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove, first of all, to prove that there's voter fraud and then to prove there's enough voter fraud where they could overturn it?

00:46:10.000 It's incredibly difficult.

00:46:12.000 And it's not just that he would have to do that.

00:46:14.000 He'd have to do that in a few different states.

00:46:17.000 And so it's an incredibly difficult task.

00:46:19.000 But it's pretty interesting.

00:46:21.000 This is unlike anything I've ever seen before where you have one president just saying like, no, this was bullshit and I'm going to fight it legally.

00:46:29.000 I think?

00:46:52.000 Cut away from Trump's press secretary saying there was voter fraud.

00:46:56.000 And he goes, well, you know, we can't verify that, so we can't air this.

00:46:59.000 And he's like, look, man, whatever you want to say, this is a story.

00:47:03.000 The fact that the president is claiming voter fraud is a story.

00:47:07.000 So air this and then debunk it afterward.

00:47:09.000 But what is this thing where you go, no, we won't show people.

00:47:13.000 You can't see this story because the lies could poison you or something.

00:47:17.000 What if it's proven to be true?

00:47:18.000 What if there is voter fraud?

00:47:20.000 Well, there is.

00:47:21.000 It's a question of how widespread it is, because there's always voter fraud, which is another secret that they don't fucking like to tell, but there's always fucking some degree of voter fraud.

00:47:29.000 Do you find it odd that everybody insists that it's impossible to vote, like, safely and accurately online?

00:47:37.000 Yes, I find that odd.

00:47:39.000 I also find it really, really odd that we overhauled the way we do voting in this country, and that now it's almost an entirely different process, where both candidates are getting way more votes than they would normally get,

00:47:54.000 and...

00:48:16.000 It's just very weird.

00:48:17.000 Yeah, right.

00:48:18.000 I mean, how much can you spend on Apple Pay?

00:48:22.000 Does it have a limit?

00:48:23.000 It's not about like that.

00:48:24.000 It's the ease for everyone.

00:48:25.000 Not everybody has that access.

00:48:27.000 They need to get their shit together.

00:48:29.000 Get it together.

00:48:29.000 Everyone.

00:48:31.000 Like they had the day of the elections, they were supposed to, where I'm from in Columbus, Franklin County, they were supposed to have like registration via iPads or something.

00:48:38.000 And that morning, they were not confident that everything got downloaded, so they just scrapped the whole thing and went back to paper.

00:48:38.000 Right.

00:48:43.000 It's like that day.

00:48:45.000 Isn't that also a problem with these weird deadlines?

00:48:48.000 Like, we have to choose the leader in the free world in 20 hours.

00:48:52.000 Go! 0.95

00:48:52.000 Ready? 0.95

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:54.000 Isn't this a big, important thing?

00:48:54.000 Like, what?

00:48:56.000 Like, do we really want to boil this down to 20 hours?

00:48:59.000 The whole process is fucking retarded. 1.00

00:49:01.000 It's crazy!

00:49:02.000 The whole thing that it's like – so the system is that we have to basically – like 10,000 votes in Wisconsin is going to determine which half of the country is furious and which half is like elated because they get to rule over the other half now.

00:49:18.000 And then hopefully in four years they can be happy and you're miserable because they get to rule over you now.

00:49:23.000 It's so bizarre.

00:49:25.000 Democracy in general is a very bizarre process.

00:49:27.000 To have it in a country this big, with this powerful of a government, it makes it insane.

00:49:32.000 Like, we're going to determine the course of history based off what a few votes in swing states determine.

00:49:39.000 There's got to be a better way.

00:49:41.000 I was reading this thing about Plato, excuse me, about Socrates.

00:49:45.000 Socrates was, he was talking about how he didn't like the idea of democracy.

00:49:52.000 Because Socrates felt like in order to make really important choices, you should almost have to prove your understanding of these issues.

00:50:02.000 And that this, if it wasn't the case, I'm pretty sure it was Socrates.

00:50:06.000 Look that up just in case.

00:50:07.000 Thank you.

00:50:09.000 Because he saw the, like, what we basically have.

00:50:14.000 Like, there's a lot of people that were on the ballot in California.

00:50:17.000 I was like, what is this guy doing?

00:50:18.000 What does he want?

00:50:19.000 I didn't know much about them.

00:50:20.000 Yeah.

00:50:21.000 And I was like, hmm, does that sound right?

00:50:23.000 I mean, I'm looking at this thing for an hour, right?

00:50:25.000 I've got an hour to go and then I can Google some of these bills.

00:50:30.000 And that's just me.

00:50:32.000 How many people didn't?

00:50:34.000 I mean, I gave a very cursory review of these ideas.

00:50:40.000 How many people didn't at all?

00:50:41.000 They just went blue all across the board or red all across the board.

00:50:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:45.000 The majority, I'd say.

00:50:47.000 Just guessing, but I'd say the majority of people just vote their team and just don't even really look into it that much.

00:50:52.000 Democracy was never...

00:50:53.000 Democracy was kind of considered like a joke before World War I. The idea of...

00:50:59.000 I mean, there weren't too many, like, functioning democracies.

00:51:03.000 And that...

00:51:04.000 I think that all changed with, like, Woodrow Wilson.

00:51:06.000 We're going to make the world safe for democracy.

00:51:08.000 We're going to overthrow all of these monarchs in Europe, which Europe was mostly monarchs at the time.

00:51:14.000 And that ended.

00:51:15.000 And then, after that, you had the rise of, like...

00:51:19.000 Lenin and Hitler and later Stalin and, you know, things that were much worse than the monarchies that they replaced. 0.78

00:51:26.000 But just in pure philosophy, like the idea that if 51% of people vote for something or somebody, that then it's completely morally legitimate for them to rule over the other 49% is completely absurd.

00:51:44.000 But what's the alternative?

00:51:46.000 Well, I mean, look, I think the alternative to all of this is liberty, which is the best answer, which is just basically that whether it's a democratic process or not, that the government should be so much more reduced, the power should be so much more reduced than what it is now,

00:52:03.000 that it's not that consequential.

00:52:08.000 I mean, look, this is the major source of the culture war to begin with, even before the social media stuff and before the woke lecturing.

00:52:16.000 The major source is that the government is so powerful that you have to fight for your side to be in control of it.

00:52:23.000 Otherwise, you're ruled over by the side who you hate.

00:52:26.000 And it's – this is in less – the only way forward that would solve this problem, that would defuse the culture war, is accepting some type of libertarianism.

00:52:38.000 And what I just mean by that is just some – whatever exactly it is, something that says, OK, listen, you have these cultural views in Portland and you have these cultural views in Alabama.

00:52:49.000 You're not going to remake each other.

00:52:51.000 You guys can live the way you want to live and you guys can live the way you want to live.

00:52:55.000 And you can peacefully coexist.

00:52:56.000 The idea that you have to have this five, six trillion dollar a year beast that's controlled by one side or another that hate each other is just going to keep this thing going and getting hotter and hotter.

00:53:10.000 Yeah, and then you have these ideological positions that these huge corporations attach themselves to to siphon money off of.

00:53:18.000 Right.

00:53:18.000 You know, there's Evan Hafer.

00:53:22.000 He's the owner of Black Rifle Coffee, and he was on, and he's a veteran.

00:53:29.000 And now runs this huge coffee business and was discussing what he thinks is really going on with Afghanistan.

00:53:37.000 He's like, there's no reason for us to be over there.

00:53:39.000 He goes, I think they're over there to suck money out of taxpayers, and that's what they're doing.

00:53:45.000 And when Trump was interviewing, or rather Steve Hilton was interviewing Trump, I've known Steve Hilton for a long time.

00:53:53.000 That's the next revolution?

00:53:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:55.000 Yeah, I've met him.

00:53:56.000 He's a good dude.

00:53:56.000 He's a very nice guy.

00:53:57.000 I was friends with him long before he was ever at Fox News.

00:54:01.000 I met him in Maui.

00:54:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:03.000 On the beach.

00:54:04.000 His kids were playing with my kids when they were real little.

00:54:07.000 And we became friends.

00:54:08.000 And we've gone on vacations together.

00:54:09.000 I know him very well.

00:54:11.000 By the way, I know the exact interview that you're talking about.

00:54:11.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:54:13.000 I think it was one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

00:54:16.000 When he's talking about the military-industrial complex.

00:54:18.000 It's like, well, we've got to be here, but they want to go to war.

00:54:20.000 Military-industrial complex.

00:54:21.000 It's real.

00:54:22.000 Eisenhower warned us about it.

00:54:23.000 This is the thing.

00:54:24.000 By the way, that moment, this is why the establishment hates Donald Trump so much.

00:54:28.000 Because he is uncontrollable and he might just blurt out, sitting down outside the White House with Steve Hilton, that, oh, you know what?

00:54:35.000 There's a whole bunch of people around me who want to go to war because it makes them billions of dollars.

00:54:42.000 Rebellion.

00:54:43.000 And this is just the President, the Commander in Chief saying it.

00:54:46.000 Now, on the other side, Trump didn't end any of these wars.

00:54:50.000 He kept talking about doing it, and then he'd always back out at the last minute.

00:54:53.000 Why do you think that is?

00:54:55.000 Well, you know, I don't know exactly, but I know that whenever he would make a move...

00:55:01.000 To try to end one of these wars, the press would go nuts circling him.

00:55:06.000 I mean, they always were, but they'd dial it up to, like, 11. And then he'd have people within his administration undermining him at every turn.

00:55:14.000 At every turn.

00:55:15.000 I remember back, I was a contributor on an Essie Cup show.

00:55:20.000 She's got a show on CNN. I was a contributor there for, like, a year.

00:55:23.000 And there was one time where it was...

00:55:26.000 Donald Trump came out and said that...

00:55:30.000 We're getting out of Syria. 0.99

00:55:32.000 And he goes, look, our only goal in Syria is to defeat ISIS. That's all we care about.

00:55:37.000 And they're almost defeated.

00:55:38.000 As soon as they're defeated, we're getting out completely out of Syria. 0.99

00:55:41.000 And then about a week later, McMaster's I think?

00:56:04.000 Is like, no, no, no, Donald Trump.

00:56:06.000 This is what we're doing in Syria.

00:56:07.000 We're having another regime change.

00:56:09.000 And I was like losing my shit.

00:56:10.000 Like, wait, hold on.

00:56:11.000 However you feel about this, he's the commander-in-chief.

00:56:14.000 The secretary of state doesn't get to decide, no, we're fighting a war.

00:56:19.000 Here it is.

00:56:20.000 Oh, this is the Steve Hilton one, yeah.

00:56:25.000 He was particularly orange that day.

00:56:27.000 They want to keep...

00:56:28.000 You have people here in Washington.

00:56:30.000 They never want to leave.

00:56:32.000 I say, you know what I'll do?

00:56:33.000 I'll leave a couple of hundred soldiers behind.

00:56:35.000 But if it was up to them, they'd bring thousands of soldiers in.

00:56:41.000 Someday people will explain it.

00:56:42.000 But you do have a group, and they call it the military industrial complex.

00:56:47.000 They never want to leave.

00:56:48.000 They always want to fight.

00:56:49.000 No, I don't want to fight.

00:56:51.000 You do have situations like Iran.

00:56:51.000 But...

00:56:54.000 You can't let them have nuclear weapons.

00:56:56.000 You just can't let that happen.

00:56:58.000 A friend of mine today was talking about The Art of the Deal.

00:57:00.000 I've never read The Art of the Deal.

00:57:01.000 He was in rehab.

00:57:02.000 When he was in rehab, he had a lot of time, and he read The Art of the Deal.

00:57:05.000 And he's like, it's remarkably progressive, even by today's standards.

00:57:11.000 He wrote this in the 80s.

00:57:14.000 Well, Donald Trump was never that...

00:57:15.000 I mean...

00:57:16.000 He's got flaws.

00:57:18.000 Oh, no question.

00:57:19.000 But the problem is they overwhelm anything good about him.

00:57:24.000 These flaws, like the bragging and the craziness and the not telling the truth about things.

00:57:31.000 The tricky thing with Trump is that if it wasn't for these character flaws or these qualities that are...

00:57:39.000 We're good to go.

00:58:01.000 What animated Trump?

00:58:02.000 The problem is that with Donald Trump, I think that a lot of the Trump haters project this thing onto Donald Trump like he's literally Hitler.

00:58:11.000 A lot of the Trump lovers project this thing onto him like he's our savior.

00:58:15.000 But the reality is, it's just what you see.

00:58:18.000 He's just that.

00:58:20.000 He's as shallow a thinker as he seems.

00:58:24.000 He's instinctually brilliant.

00:58:25.000 But intellectually, he really just cares about being the best.

00:58:29.000 I won.

00:58:30.000 I was terrific.

00:58:31.000 Everybody knows it.

00:58:35.000 That's served him well his whole life.

00:58:37.000 Sure has.

00:58:37.000 The idea that all of a sudden he becomes president and he's going to abandon that and become presidential.

00:58:41.000 No, it's not going to happen.

00:58:42.000 But anyone who was a decent gentleman or, like, didn't have those qualities would never have gotten to where he was.

00:58:50.000 He got to where he was because he was willing to say, like, he got to where he was in large part because he had a quality that Bernie Sanders didn't have about him.

00:58:59.000 Bernie Sanders is entirely too nice of a guy to lead a revolution.

00:59:03.000 He would always say, we're leading a revolution.

00:59:05.000 And then you'd have Joe Biden, who's the epitome of the system that you want to revolt against.

00:59:11.000 And he'd go, look, Joe's a very decent guy.

00:59:13.000 He's my friend.

00:59:14.000 I'm not going to say anything bad about him.

00:59:15.000 And you're like, well, you're probably not going to lead a fucking revolution if you're not willing to lob some insults.

00:59:19.000 Like, I'm not saying you have to lob bullets, but like...

00:59:22.000 Do you, though, do you have to do that?

00:59:24.000 You have to at least attack what he stands for.

00:59:26.000 I'm not saying you have to call him a fat loser.

00:59:28.000 I'm saying you have to go, like, you have to go, listen, you are the epitome of Washington corruption.

00:59:34.000 You've enriched your own family while you're getting other people killed, while you're selling out the country.

00:59:39.000 Yes, I think you have to go for the jugular if you're actually going to beat this system.

00:59:44.000 Isn't it strange, though, that you have to do that?

00:59:46.000 You can't just espouse the merits of your own ideas.

00:59:52.000 You have to attack.

00:59:53.000 But, you know, if you're a real human being, right?

00:59:57.000 Like, let's say what Donald Trump was just saying.

00:59:59.000 And by the way, Bernie Sanders pretty much agrees with him on that.

01:00:02.000 He's talked about how war is big business and how they, you know, we were lied into the war in Iraq and he voted.

01:00:07.000 Bernie Sanders, to his credit, he was one of the very few Democrats in the Senate who voted against the war in Iraq at the time.

01:00:13.000 Very few Democrats in the Senate actually stood their ground, and good for him for doing that. 0.98

01:00:17.000 But you're talking about people lying to get real human beings slaughtered To make people money.

01:00:26.000 I mean, if you talk about that and you don't have some type of outrage about it, that just doesn't seem to make sense to me.

01:00:34.000 Like, that's not how a real human being should feel.

01:00:37.000 No, I totally understand.

01:00:38.000 But I wonder if, like, in the middle of that, when you're insulting people, you're perpetuating, you're keeping going this sort of system that's been in place for so long, where you run...

01:00:52.000 You talk about your merits.

01:00:54.000 You shit on the flaws of your opponent.

01:00:56.000 He does the same to you.

01:00:57.000 Whoever lands the most blows wins.

01:01:00.000 I mean, this is highlighted by the way Kamala Harris has sort of talked about her debate with Biden, right?

01:01:08.000 When she was on Colbert, she's like, it was a debate!

01:01:12.000 It was a debate!

01:01:14.000 But it's like...

01:01:16.000 That's the only way to do it?

01:01:17.000 Is the only way to do it to shit on the other person?

01:01:19.000 I think that you have to...

01:01:22.000 Like, I think there's nothing wrong with really running on your ideas.

01:01:25.000 And I think that part, Bernie Sanders did.

01:01:27.000 And I don't like a lot of Bernie Sanders' ideas.

01:01:29.000 I think he's got some that are really good.

01:01:31.000 Which ones do you like?

01:01:32.000 Well, okay, what I love about Bernie Sanders is that he voted against the war in Iraq, as I just said.

01:01:37.000 He was great in the Senate about the war in Yemen and trying to bring that to an end, which is just this god-awful nightmare that's still going on, that Obama started and Trump continued.

01:01:48.000 I mean, what's happening in Yemen is like one of the biggest tragedies in my lifetime. 1.00

01:01:52.000 Well, explain it to people.

01:02:07.000 And America backed the Saudis under Barack Obama.

01:02:11.000 What Obama administration said to placate the Saudis.

01:02:15.000 Basically, the Saudis were pissed off about a lot of things. 0.94

01:02:20.000 And they're a big business partner with us.

01:02:22.000 And so they were pissed off about the war in Iraq.

01:02:24.000 I think?

01:02:38.000 And so they were already pissed off about that.

01:02:40.000 And then they were really pissed off that Obama made the Iran deal with Iran.

01:02:45.000 And so to placate, which I believe was the direct quote, to placate the Saudis, Obama decided to back them in this war against Yemen.

01:02:55.000 And they put a full blockade around the country, which was already the poorest country in the Middle East.

01:03:00.000 And this led to just...

01:03:02.000 I mean, the UN said it was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

01:03:06.000 This was before COVID, but I think it's still probably up there.

01:03:09.000 There were well over a million cases of cholera, which is basically, I mean, curable with, I think, liquids.

01:03:18.000 Like, I think Gatorade could solve cholera.

01:03:20.000 You might need antibiotics or something like that.

01:03:20.000 I don't know.

01:03:22.000 But it was children and old people just dying in massive numbers.

01:03:26.000 I still don't think they know the exact numbers.

01:03:28.000 It's going to be somewhere on the scale of what the war in Iraq was.

01:03:31.000 Hundreds of thousands of people dead.

01:03:33.000 And Bernie Sanders really led the effort to try to end it in the Senate, and he did a great job on that.

01:03:39.000 Like, phenomenal.

01:03:41.000 He also has a great—he had a great bill proposed to decriminalize marijuana on a federal level, which I think would be phenomenal.

01:03:51.000 And so there were several things, like those would probably be the ones I'd pick that I thought were really great about Bernie Sanders.

01:03:57.000 So I think running on issues, probably one of my big criticisms of him is that he doesn't really lead with those issues.

01:04:04.000 Like he didn't, those aren't the things he talked about a lot on the campaign trail, but he was excellent on all of those.

01:04:09.000 So I think you could run.

01:04:10.000 He could run on his principles, you know?

01:04:12.000 But I think you have to at some point have a little bit of a killer instinct to become the alpha monkey, to become the leader of this country.

01:04:20.000 And I thought that Bernie Sanders could have won the whole election.

01:04:24.000 With the tone that he started in the primary, and he didn't.

01:04:28.000 And I think that Bernie Sanders, like, look, the corporate press completely came down to try to ruin it for him.

01:04:34.000 Who knows what the DNC did this time?

01:04:35.000 I mean, it was exposed in 2016. Who knows what they were doing behind the scenes?

01:04:39.000 Well, we know what they were doing.

01:04:40.000 We know that that was the reason why Klobuchar and Buttigieg dropped out.

01:04:44.000 Well, that we know.

01:04:44.000 We know that Warren stayed in to siphon votes off of Bernie.

01:04:47.000 No question.

01:04:48.000 And we know they gave their delegates over to Biden.

01:04:49.000 No question.

01:04:50.000 We know that much.

01:04:51.000 We know that right now.

01:04:52.000 We don't know exactly who made the phone calls.

01:04:54.000 I think there was reporting that Barack Obama had called a couple of them.

01:04:58.000 That sounds good.

01:04:58.000 Yeah, it sure does.

01:05:00.000 But you're right.

01:05:02.000 So all the competition with Biden drops out right before Super Tuesday.

01:05:05.000 Bernie Sanders' competition, Elizabeth Warren stays in until the bitter end.

01:05:09.000 I think it felt like with Bernie, even though there's talk that they couldn't control him, right?

01:05:13.000 There's also talk that he couldn't win, because there are certain key states that he's never going to win.

01:05:18.000 Because even though that message resonated with a lot of people, including me, what resonated with me is, first of all, absolving people of student debt.

01:05:26.000 I know a lot of people that are wrapped up in student debt, and I think it's One of the best examples, first of all, you have essentially children, right?

01:05:38.000 You have someone who's 17, 18 years old, they're going into school, and they're taking on enormous debt.

01:05:43.000 And they don't, I think you could make the real argument that they don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the ramifications of this.

01:05:49.000 Maybe some do, maybe some don't.

01:05:51.000 But when you're talking about people that are in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars by the time they get out of school, and then they get out of school and they get a job that pays $40,000 a year.

01:06:00.000 Do the math.

01:06:01.000 How long before you catch up?

01:06:02.000 You never catch up.

01:06:03.000 There's people to this day that are getting Social Security, that are getting their Social Security docked.

01:06:08.000 Because they owe money for student loans.

01:06:10.000 I mean, you're at the end of the fucking game.

01:06:12.000 Is that true?

01:06:12.000 Are people old enough for Social Security and they have student loan debts like that?

01:06:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:16.000 Wow.

01:06:17.000 That's going on right now.

01:06:18.000 Make sure that's true, Jamie.

01:06:19.000 Sounds really good when I'm saying it.

01:06:21.000 Pretty sure it's true. 0.67

01:06:23.000 Well, that is...

01:06:23.000 And they are victims of a corrupt scheme, for sure.

01:06:27.000 Well...

01:06:28.000 It's a bad system.

01:06:29.000 And I think if we have all this money to go to Afghanistan and put on these endless wars, the idea that we don't have enough money to provide a reasonably priced education.

01:06:40.000 I'm not saying it should be free.

01:06:42.000 Maybe it should cost a little bit because I think people work harder when they have to work for something.

01:06:46.000 But the idea that you should be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt by the time you get out, and the reality of the economy is that Even before COVID, if you got out, the odds of you getting a job that's going to be able to even put a dent in that debt in your chosen field,

01:07:02.000 they're not that good.

01:07:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:04.000 No question about all of that.

01:07:06.000 19% of your Social Security payments can be garnished to repay a student loan debt.

01:07:11.000 Your monthly benefit cannot sink below $750.

01:07:13.000 Well, good luck living on $750 a month.

01:07:16.000 And this is also for people who are, what, like 35 now when they retire?

01:07:20.000 What's that going to be?

01:07:21.000 That's not that long ago, man.

01:07:23.000 If you think about someone who's 65, right?

01:07:26.000 No.

01:07:27.000 Look at this.

01:07:28.000 Are student loans forgiven after 65?

01:07:30.000 There are no student loan forgiveness programs specifically for senior citizens.

01:07:35.000 Elderly student loan borrowers are eligible for the same loan forgiveness programs as other borrowers.

01:07:41.000 Well, that's crazy.

01:07:42.000 It's crazy.

01:07:43.000 It's crazy if you're that old and you're on a fixed income and you really can't.

01:07:46.000 We don't physically work anymore.

01:07:49.000 If we're a community, and this is one of the things I think about the United States, the idea of a country.

01:07:54.000 We're supposed to be a community.

01:07:55.000 Even though we're broken off into these countries, and they're broken off into these cities, and we're broken off by ideologies, and we're separated by all these different lines in the sands that we draw.

01:08:03.000 At the end of the day, we're all contributing to this pool.

01:08:05.000 We're putting our tax dollars in, and we're deciding what's important and what's not.

01:08:08.000 For me, student loan forgiveness was a big thing.

01:08:12.000 Because I was like, we've got to stop this cycle of fucking people over economically when they're 18 years old.

01:08:17.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:08:19.000 But I just think that if...

01:08:19.000 Fair enough.

01:08:21.000 Like, I agree with the spirit of everything you're saying.

01:08:23.000 And I think when I said it's a corrupt system, it's just that the fact that you have all of these parties involved, where you have, like, the government who's guaranteeing all of these student loans.

01:08:32.000 And then you have, for a while, I think now it's all done...

01:08:35.000 Straight from the federal government.

01:08:36.000 For a while you have these financial companies that are giving out the loans and then taking in the interest and profiting off of them.

01:08:42.000 And then you have these universities who are able to raise their tuition over and over.

01:08:47.000 And there's always a market for it because the loans are guaranteed by the government.

01:08:51.000 So now you have all of these people just raking in money and the politicians get to brag about all these kids going to college.

01:08:57.000 And then...

01:08:58.000 Who's fucked is the 17, 18-year-old who was told their whole life that, oh, just take the loan out.

01:09:05.000 Whatever you got to do because this will lead you to a better life.

01:09:08.000 And then the jobs aren't there for them.

01:09:09.000 But the problem, if you want to break this cycle, the problem is the government guaranteeing the loans to begin with.

01:09:17.000 Because this is why college inflates faster than almost any other price in the market.

01:09:17.000 Right.

01:09:23.000 And so I would just think even if we are going to forgive the loans that are out there now, what you need to do is stop the loans, cut them off, and let the prices of college come back to something that's more reasonable like they were in like our parents' generation where you could work a summer job and pay off your college.

01:09:38.000 And then you've also got a very interesting situation in college where most professors are left-leaning.

01:09:44.000 And most of the shit you're learning is useless.

01:09:47.000 Not all of it, but a whole lot of it.

01:09:49.000 Well, I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but some of it's going to be useless.

01:09:53.000 But let's not concentrate on that, because you're supposed to be expanding your horizons, and there's social growth, being outside of your family for the first time.

01:10:19.000 You're going to discuss issues.

01:10:19.000 There's all sorts of things.

01:10:20.000 You're going to learn things.

01:10:21.000 You're going to talk amongst yourselves.

01:10:22.000 You're going to also all be forced to take these rigorous courses that demand a lot of you intellectually.

01:10:28.000 It's very rare.

01:10:29.000 I like that in theory.

01:10:30.000 I just don't know how much that's happening in universities.

01:10:33.000 But I get your point.

01:10:34.000 But let's agree.

01:10:35.000 It's the only place where it's happening.

01:10:36.000 Sure.

01:10:37.000 For 18-year-olds.

01:10:38.000 Trust me, because I barely spend any time in college.

01:10:40.000 My time in college was three years at UMass Boston and barely paying attention, right?

01:10:46.000 So these people that are teaching these kids overwhelmingly lean left.

01:10:52.000 Now, I'm not saying they shouldn't lean left.

01:10:55.000 If this is how you feel, you should express yourself.

01:10:57.000 But it is really odd in a country that thrives on this concept of diversity, that there's almost no diversity there.

01:11:06.000 In the intellectual ideologies that these professors have.

01:11:11.000 What are the numbers of professors in this country?

01:11:14.000 What percentage of professors identify as Marxists?

01:11:17.000 Let's take a guess.

01:11:20.000 I'm going to say it's in the 20s.

01:11:22.000 Yeah, I'd probably guess something like that.

01:11:24.000 But then there's also identifying as Marxist, and then there's being influenced by, say, post-modernism.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, but we're going as far as we can.

01:11:33.000 That's as far left as we can get.

01:11:35.000 Right?

01:11:36.000 Yeah.

01:11:36.000 It might be under 20%.

01:11:37.000 I'm not sure.

01:11:38.000 But we can agree that it's a really far left stance.

01:11:41.000 Sure.

01:11:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, that's pretty far.

01:11:43.000 Pretty far left.

01:11:43.000 But I'm saying what percentage identifies the hardest of hard lefts?

01:11:47.000 Very close.

01:11:48.000 What is it?

01:11:50.000 There's an article that says about 18% of social scientists in the U.S. self-identify as Marxists.

01:11:56.000 Oh, but that's social scientists.

01:11:58.000 I know.

01:11:58.000 I typed in professors.

01:11:59.000 It says professors in the top.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, because if you're talking about professors and, like, other, you know, harder sciences...

01:12:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:07.000 80% of social scientists.

01:12:08.000 Okay.

01:12:09.000 But that's still an interesting...

01:12:10.000 But that's a large number.

01:12:11.000 And that's a large number of people that are teaching, like, you know, critical race theory and gender theory and there's a lot of...

01:12:18.000 Well, this is right.

01:12:18.000 So this is where all the woke shit comes from.

01:12:20.000 Right.

01:12:20.000 And this is really destructive.

01:12:22.000 Well, this is where your kids go.

01:12:23.000 Only about 5% who identify as conservative.

01:12:27.000 Isn't that...

01:12:28.000 That seems crazy.

01:12:30.000 You've got 18% Marxist, 5% conservative.

01:12:35.000 An AEI panel discussion?

01:12:37.000 What was that?

01:12:38.000 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

01:12:39.000 I was going to see like 15 people they asked.

01:12:39.000 I was going to see what that is.

01:12:42.000 The Closed-Minded Campus, the Stifling of Ideas in American Universities.

01:12:45.000 But it's one of those things where it's like, what is most appealing to young kids?

01:12:50.000 Compassion.

01:12:51.000 What happens to people when they get older?

01:12:54.000 Realism.

01:12:55.000 What happens to people when they get older and then they're worried about their physical health?

01:13:00.000 Then conservatism.

01:13:02.000 That's one of the reasons why conservatism and even libertarianism.

01:13:07.000 When you think about it, when you do this sort of like real narrow-minded view of what that means to people, for a lot of people it means cruelty.

01:13:17.000 It means a lack of compassion.

01:13:19.000 It means this like blind faith in capitalism and competition.

01:13:22.000 And that's one of the things that freaks out young people.

01:13:25.000 Because young people, as they enter into the world and they start learning things and they leave their parents, a lot of times, first of all, they feel suppressed by their parents.

01:13:34.000 They feel like their parents who...

01:13:37.000 Probably work really hard in order to get them to go to school, you know, to be able to afford their school.

01:13:41.000 We'll probably work really hard in order just to keep the family together just in terms of the amount of money you have to have to have a house and two cars and live in America and pay your taxes and send your kids to college.

01:13:55.000 Like, goddamn, you got to work.

01:13:56.000 You fucking have to work.

01:13:58.000 And so if you're a kid, and you're just living off your parents, and then you're hearing all this hardcore shit, like, you know, your parents want you to be successful, and you're like, Jesus Christ, leave me alone!

01:14:11.000 And then you get to school, and you drop acid, and you learn about Marxism, and you learn about socialism, and you're like, we can all just get together.

01:14:18.000 We can just pool all our money together, and we're going to be fine.

01:14:21.000 You know, there was a discussion.

01:14:23.000 Who was it that was...

01:14:25.000 Was it on this show?

01:14:26.000 I think it was.

01:14:27.000 I was talking to somebody and they were talking about the early days of the United States.

01:14:31.000 And then the early days of the United States with wheat production.

01:14:35.000 The initial ideas were that they were going to pool all the food together.

01:14:39.000 I think this was actually pre-United States.

01:14:41.000 I think this was in the colonies.

01:14:42.000 I think you're right.

01:14:42.000 Yes.

01:14:43.000 I think you're right.

01:14:44.000 And then they realized...

01:14:46.000 They were starving.

01:14:47.000 Really, really quickly that this didn't work.

01:14:50.000 And they go, okay, okay, scrap that.

01:14:52.000 What you grow, you eat.

01:14:54.000 And they're like, oh shit, I gotta go to work.

01:14:56.000 And then people started busting their ass.

01:14:58.000 There's a diffusion of responsibility that comes from this idea that you are an individual and that the government should provide for you.

01:15:07.000 There's so many people in this country and there's so much money.

01:15:10.000 Look at all the trillions they spend on military.

01:15:12.000 Look at all the trillions they spend on infrastructure.

01:15:14.000 Look at all the trillions they give to the fossil fuel industry.

01:15:17.000 They start running all these numbers and they go, why can't the government take care of everybody?

01:15:23.000 Well, and that is one of the, like, my position is basically that the government shouldn't do any of this shit, and we don't have the money for any of it, and we shouldn't rob it from people.

01:15:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:15:31.000 But it is a strong argument from, like, an AOC type.

01:15:35.000 Where they'll be like, oh, well, we don't have this money, and she can go, yeah, but every time you right-wingers want a war, you always find the money for it. 0.99

01:15:35.000 Yes. 0.99

01:15:41.000 So this is where I was going.

01:15:42.000 So you have young people.

01:15:44.000 Mm-hmm.

01:15:56.000 I think?

01:16:05.000 And they shape young minds who are already open to these ideas of compassion and of being different than their fucking parents who are so hardcore.

01:16:15.000 Your parents had to feed you, you fucks.

01:16:17.000 Your parents are out there grinding.

01:16:19.000 A little bit of gratitude.

01:16:20.000 It's fucking hard!

01:16:22.000 It's hard to get by.

01:16:24.000 You know, it's hard.

01:16:25.000 No, so I completely get what you're saying.

01:16:28.000 But the other thing about, you know, which I guess just concerns me a little bit about...

01:16:35.000 Abolishing student debt or forgiving student debt is that – well, number one, the first thing I said is that it's like, well, OK, if we don't get the system fixed, then we're going to forgive this debt and then keep perpetuating more people in debt.

01:16:47.000 So something still needs to be done there.

01:16:48.000 But the problem is also that like – when you say forgive debt or you have the taxpayer pick any of this stuff up, It's just coming from other people.

01:16:58.000 You're taxing working people to pay for this.

01:17:01.000 But why?

01:17:02.000 But why does it have to be that way?

01:17:04.000 The government already subsidizes it, right?

01:17:06.000 Right.

01:17:07.000 So what if they didn't do that?

01:17:09.000 What if there was a way to figure out a reasonable solution to how professors are paid, how students pay for their education?

01:17:21.000 What if there's a reasonable solution that was profitable?

01:17:24.000 I'd be all for that if there was a reasonable solution.

01:17:27.000 I think so.

01:17:28.000 But I think basically the solution is to just get the government out of the business of higher education.

01:17:33.000 If there are institutions of higher education that are providing enough value for people, like you come here, you're going to be way better in life in that scene, then people are going to want to send their kids there.

01:17:44.000 Let them survive on their own.

01:17:46.000 But what about Canada?

01:17:47.000 What about the UK? What about places that pay for education?

01:17:50.000 Yeah, I mean, there are other countries that do that, and okay, fair enough.

01:17:55.000 I mean, I don't know enough about the Canadian university system, but I'll tell you this, they have just as big a problem with what you were talking about before with the woke shit, maybe even more so.

01:18:04.000 Maybe even more.

01:18:04.000 Well, their president's woke.

01:18:06.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 He's not a president.

01:18:07.000 He's a king, right?

01:18:08.000 I believe he's a prime minister.

01:18:09.000 No, he's a king.

01:18:10.000 You know what?

01:18:11.000 Jamie, Jamie, is Trudeau a king?

01:18:13.000 King brownface. 0.87

01:18:15.000 Thank you.

01:18:15.000 He's a king.

01:18:16.000 I also think that You know, the woke shit is really something that has really gripped the country in an interesting way.

01:18:26.000 And it's not just that the colleges are teaching it.

01:18:30.000 That's almost like the center of it all, like critical race theory in some university.

01:18:35.000 But then you see how much it's been jumped onto by...

01:18:39.000 Like, by all the big corporations, politicians, they're all behind.

01:18:43.000 Well, that's why Kamala Harris states her gender pronouns. 0.95

01:18:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:47.000 Yeah.

01:18:48.000 It's in compliance.

01:18:49.000 Do you wonder what it's...

01:18:50.000 She's capitulating to the woke culture. 0.90

01:18:53.000 Right.

01:18:54.000 But it's interesting.

01:18:55.000 Like, do you...

01:18:55.000 I wonder oftentimes, and I guess there's...

01:18:58.000 I don't know how many of, like...

01:19:00.000 Like, real, woke, true believers will ever listen to anything that I'm ever on.

01:19:05.000 Like, even as big as this show is, like, they would just be furious by everything you say.

01:19:09.000 The way you just drank your glass is like, that's white supremacy or whatever, you know?

01:19:13.000 Yeah, well, me by my very existence.

01:19:15.000 Yes, you're...

01:19:16.000 Yeah, I'm a white male rich guy with tattoos who does cage fighting commentary.

01:19:22.000 Yes, very problematic.

01:19:23.000 A lot of problems.

01:19:24.000 Very problematic.

01:19:25.000 But do you ever wonder, even from their perspective, which is hard to get into, but if you're out there and you're like, okay, Black Lives Matter and the hardcore woke 20-year-old, and they're like, I'm against this system because this system is white supremacy,

01:19:40.000 right?

01:19:41.000 And then you realize that All of Hollywood agrees with you.

01:19:46.000 And all of academia agrees with you.

01:19:48.000 And, like, JPMorgan Chase is running, like, a Black Lives Matter ad.

01:19:53.000 And Kamala Harris, the vice president-elect, agrees with you.

01:19:57.000 And you go, how against the system are you really?

01:20:00.000 If the entire system is supporting what you're doing and why, if the whole system is based on white supremacy and you're here to call that out, why would the system not be reacting to crush you?

01:20:13.000 Why would they be, like, propping you up?

01:20:15.000 Well, the system is so malleable, right?

01:20:17.000 The system recognizes trends and goes, we can profit off this trend.

01:20:20.000 We need to sell Black Lives Matter masks. 1.00

01:20:22.000 But I think it's more than just profiting off of it.

01:20:24.000 Like, my theory on it is that this is...

01:20:29.000 The ultimate divide and conquer and protect yourself strategy.

01:20:33.000 So you see how much that look, they don't want true economic leftism.

01:20:39.000 That's what Bernie Sanders represented.

01:20:41.000 And you saw how much the corporate press freaked out when it looked like he might have a shot at winning.

01:20:45.000 They were calling the supporters Nazis and shit like that.

01:20:47.000 Like, Yeah.

01:21:12.000 Like, JPMorgan Chase is like, fine, we'll send our white execs to diversity training. 0.67

01:21:17.000 Good deal.

01:21:18.000 Now, are we cool with the left now?

01:21:20.000 Like, that's fine.

01:21:21.000 We'll hang a Black Lives Matter flag up.

01:21:23.000 They're fine with gestures.

01:21:23.000 No problem.

01:21:25.000 But Bernie Sanders is like, I want your money.

01:21:28.000 I want your shit.

01:21:30.000 I want your profits.

01:21:32.000 No more making profits.

01:21:33.000 Like, Bernie Sanders is, you know, if some, like, social justice warrior is like, you know, we have a problem with microaggressions and toxic masculinity, the JPMorgan Chase is like, no problem.

01:21:43.000 That's great.

01:21:44.000 And Bernie Sanders is like, there shouldn't be billionaires.

01:21:47.000 And they're like, ugh!

01:21:49.000 I don't know about that guy.

01:21:51.000 That guy seems like he could be trouble.

01:21:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:54.000 So they don't like the economic populace stuff because they've got a nice little system worked out here where they're raping the country. 0.97

01:22:02.000 The fucking big bank system that they have worked out right now is that the Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air, lends it to them at 0% interest, and they lend it out to the rest of us at interest.

01:22:16.000 So they just get money for free and then lend it out and collect the interest.

01:22:22.000 It's a sweet-ass fucking deal.

01:22:23.000 If I were them, I'd want to talk about microaggressions too.

01:22:26.000 I'd be like, you know what the real problem in our society is?

01:22:29.000 These fucking microaggressions, am I right?

01:22:31.000 That's what's fucking everybody over.

01:22:33.000 White supremacy.

01:22:34.000 They consciously, like, recognize these trends and say, we've got to get on board with this, and this will help us, because we'll be one of the good guys.

01:22:43.000 We'll be a company that's very difficult to criticize.

01:22:47.000 I think there's a lot of forces at work, but I think that's a big part of it.

01:22:51.000 Yeah, it's a hustle.

01:22:52.000 They also realize that, like, I think there are people...

01:22:55.000 It's like this kind of...

01:22:57.000 It's like an alliance between the top and the bottom.

01:23:00.000 So there's like the 20-year-old who works for some company.

01:23:04.000 Maybe some internet music streaming company.

01:23:06.000 Some company out there.

01:23:06.000 I don't know.

01:23:08.000 Some 20-year-old woke person who is a true believer.

01:23:11.000 A true believer in the woke stuff.

01:23:13.000 And then there is the JPMorgan Chase, Kamala Harris's of the world.

01:23:17.000 They don't believe this for a goddamn second.

01:23:19.000 It's just a ploy.

01:23:20.000 It's just a tactic.

01:23:22.000 And so they're kind of playing off of these people.

01:23:24.000 But my thing is that, like, to the bleeding heart, young, woke, social justice warrior types is like, look, there's a need for you in society.

01:23:33.000 There's a need for, like, a compassionate left who's willing to protest shit and shut shit down.

01:23:40.000 But you're focused on all the wrong areas.

01:23:43.000 Forget microaggressions.

01:23:45.000 Think about real aggressions.

01:23:47.000 We're still in all the longest wars in American history.

01:23:50.000 Protest that.

01:23:51.000 Get out in the streets about fucking Yemen. 1.00

01:23:53.000 Try to end that war. 0.94

01:23:54.000 Isn't that almost like there's too many things going on?

01:23:58.000 And then those things are out of sight.

01:24:02.000 They're in another place that you're never going to visit.

01:24:04.000 Well, you have to think a little bit about it.

01:24:06.000 But why is it that—and maybe it's—I don't, like, have an answer.

01:24:09.000 This isn't, like, a leading question.

01:24:10.000 But why is it that, like, the Vietnam War could draw so many protests?

01:24:14.000 The war in Iraq under George W. Bush drew so many protests.

01:24:17.000 So, like, why can't—why were Trump's wars never, like, a thing?

01:24:21.000 I think the press covers them differently today than they did during the Vietnam era.

01:24:25.000 Yeah, I think that's true.

01:24:26.000 I think the press during the Vietnam era was very much the press, the ideal view of the press.

01:24:32.000 Probably closer.

01:24:33.000 Much.

01:24:33.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 I think it's been changed, first of all.

01:24:36.000 There's a bunch of factors that happen almost together.

01:24:40.000 They coincide.

01:24:42.000 One of them is the advent of social media and the internet in general.

01:24:46.000 And then how people are no longer digesting their news through paper.

01:24:52.000 They're not paying for a newspaper.

01:24:54.000 They're getting it on their phone.

01:24:56.000 And you're now in competition with BuzzFeed and Vice and, you know, name it.

01:25:03.000 There's so many choices.

01:25:04.000 There's Vox and there's almost too many different places.

01:25:08.000 The Blaze is fucking...

01:25:09.000 You can keep going and going and going.

01:25:11.000 There's too many different places where you can go to get information.

01:25:13.000 So if a website...

01:25:16.000 Yeah.

01:25:33.000 They're literally fighting for survival, whether it's the Washington Post or even the Wall Street Journal.

01:25:37.000 I think a lot of these newspapers are experiencing significant...

01:25:40.000 Well, one thing that led to a big increase in the New York Post subscribers, ironically, is Trump.

01:25:47.000 Trump shitting on them and calling them the failing New York Times.

01:25:51.000 Yes, yeah, yeah.

01:25:52.000 Trump calling them the failing New York Times.

01:25:54.000 Their subscriptions went up.

01:25:56.000 Well, and this is true all over the place with corporate media entities that were dying.

01:26:01.000 It's also true for MSNBC and CNN, and a lot of them all saw rating surges under Trump.

01:26:06.000 Sure, because people wanted to combat Trump.

01:26:08.000 Yeah, a lot of them.

01:26:08.000 It became the number one focus because if it bleeds, it leads.

01:26:12.000 These are the really exciting things that people are going to tune into, and it's going to help our revenue stream.

01:26:17.000 So our idea is that the reason why they're showing us the news is these are the most significant stories.

01:26:21.000 They're going to impact your life the most.

01:26:23.000 This is what's most important.

01:26:24.000 Not really the case.

01:26:25.000 What it really is is what's going to get the most attention.

01:26:28.000 What's the most important in terms of like what's going to get the most views, which is going to bring in the most advertising revenue.

01:26:34.000 And for people online that are writing stories, it's...

01:26:38.000 They don't call it clickbait for a reason.

01:26:41.000 They do, rather, call it clickbait for a reason.

01:26:43.000 The reason is they've got to trick you into clicking that thing because that's how they make their money.

01:26:50.000 So then they've tried subscription models.

01:26:52.000 And I subscribe to the Times and I subscribe to the Washington Post.

01:26:57.000 I subscribe to like four or five different publications.

01:26:59.000 And I felt like an obligation to do that.

01:27:02.000 I'm getting my news from them.

01:27:03.000 I feel like I should give them some money.

01:27:05.000 And that might be the only way these things ever survive, is that people get their news via subscription model.

01:27:11.000 But to this day, someone will send me a link, and I'll click the link, and they'll say, to subscribe, I'm like, oh, fuck you, and then I won't read it.

01:27:21.000 And then I'll Google it, I'll try to find it somewhere else.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, that works about 50% of the time.

01:27:25.000 Just Google the title.

01:27:26.000 You should be able to just pay for an article.

01:27:29.000 Like, maybe Apple pay you five cents for this article.

01:27:32.000 Let me get a double click.

01:27:33.000 To make me subscribe every time.

01:27:37.000 I understand that there's journalists and they're doing amazing work and that they've worked for weeks on this expose and this has been the sole focus of their life and it's valuable.

01:27:48.000 And it's valuable to me.

01:27:49.000 It's valuable to the United States as a whole because this one person's Intellectual perspective on a very complex subject.

01:27:57.000 They've boiled this down for weeks and weeks.

01:28:00.000 This is what we've learned about X. Those are important.

01:28:04.000 Sure.

01:28:04.000 I'll give you a couple bucks.

01:28:07.000 But make it fucking easy.

01:28:09.000 Don't make me subscribe and give you my email address.

01:28:13.000 Just make me go, let me go like that.

01:28:15.000 I'll give you $2.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, as you said, it's surprising they haven't figured that all out.

01:28:19.000 Close to what Apple has, but it's not quite.

01:28:21.000 It's in between what you're talking about.

01:28:23.000 I have that, too.

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 Yeah, I have that.

01:28:24.000 But there's somebody curating it, which is a little strange.

01:28:29.000 I mean, I would like to be able to go to each individual front page.

01:28:29.000 Exactly.

01:28:34.000 But I barely have time for that.

01:28:36.000 I think the thing you were mentioning earlier about who you trust is a bigger factor than ever before.

01:28:42.000 You know who I trust?

01:28:43.000 Who?

01:28:44.000 Online people.

01:28:45.000 Oh yeah, me too.

01:28:46.000 People like Jimmy Dore, people like Kyle Kalinske.

01:28:48.000 Love Jimmy Dore.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, people like The Hill, like Crystal and Sager.

01:28:52.000 I like them too.

01:28:53.000 I like that.

01:28:54.000 Their show is great.

01:28:55.000 It's great.

01:28:57.000 And by the way, and the best is Glenn Greenwald, who you just had on recently.

01:29:03.000 And you know where he stands.

01:29:04.000 He's a left-wing guy.

01:29:06.000 But he still has journalistic integrity.

01:29:06.000 Okay.

01:29:08.000 So he's not just going to...

01:29:10.000 Him walking away from The Intercept was incredible.

01:29:12.000 And Jeremy Scahill, the other guy who was at The Intercept with him, is a great journalist.

01:29:18.000 Aaron Maté.

01:29:19.000 I might be fucking up his last name.

01:29:21.000 Have you had him on?

01:29:21.000 No.

01:29:22.000 He's great.

01:29:22.000 He writes for the nation.

01:29:23.000 Did a great job.

01:29:25.000 He's on Jimmy Dore's show all the time.

01:29:26.000 He did a great job of just blowing up the Russia conspiracy bullshit.

01:29:30.000 And it was more powerful because it's like a left-winger doing it who's like, listen, this is all lies.

01:29:36.000 And I hate Donald Trump, but I'm not going to tell you something that isn't real is real just because I hate him.

01:29:42.000 And so if you're smart or if you're fortunate enough to find the right people, you can get really good information online.

01:29:50.000 But it comes down to who you trust to give you the right information.

01:29:54.000 And there's a lot of people right now who it's kind of like, well, these are the few people I trust.

01:29:58.000 These are the few people I trust on both sides.

01:30:00.000 Right, and you could be way off.

01:30:02.000 You could think you trust this person.

01:30:04.000 Someone would come along and go, hey man, do you know they're financed by this?

01:30:07.000 Do you know that this is a part of...

01:30:09.000 The reason why they keep bringing this up is there's a directive, that emails have been leaked, and it's been proven that these people are supposed to be doing what they're doing.

01:30:17.000 Oh, fuck.

01:30:18.000 Really?

01:30:18.000 That's the worst.

01:30:19.000 Figuring out someone you trust isn't right.

01:30:21.000 You're like, ah, shit.

01:30:22.000 Finding out the cult master really doesn't speak to the alien behind the comet.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, but this is where we're at, right?

01:30:28.000 We're in this imperfect system that's the best system the world's ever known.

01:30:32.000 That's what's weird.

01:30:34.000 What's weird is, as good as this, like...

01:30:37.000 It's hard to say things are great because things are not great for everybody and they're certainly not as good as they could be, right?

01:30:43.000 So that said, we have to recognize that this system of this experiment in self-government is the best system that's ever been put in place as far as...

01:30:52.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 It's pretty fucking crazy.

01:31:09.000 No, it's the fucking...

01:31:10.000 It's the greatest country that's ever existed by many different metrics.

01:31:16.000 So let me throw this out.

01:31:17.000 And it's worth saving because we're on a fucking suicide mission.

01:31:20.000 So it's worth saving.

01:31:20.000 Yes.

01:31:21.000 I don't believe this, but I'm just...

01:31:22.000 As a thought exercise.

01:31:24.000 What if all this robbery, like student debt, and even the military-industrial complex, and even...

01:31:31.000 What if...

01:31:32.000 All of this activity has to go on in order to have this much thriving, in order to have this much economic prosperity, and this much freedom.

01:31:46.000 You gotta have fuckery. 1.00

01:31:48.000 You gotta have madness.

01:31:49.000 You gotta have lies.

01:31:51.000 You gotta have deception.

01:31:52.000 You gotta have special interest groups.

01:31:53.000 You gotta have people distorting other people's positions on things.

01:31:56.000 You gotta have empty pundits.

01:31:58.000 You gotta have puppets in various stages of media.

01:32:02.000 You have to have clickbait.

01:32:03.000 You have to have all these things.

01:32:05.000 Because if you don't have all these things, you don't have resistance.

01:32:07.000 You don't have an enemy.

01:32:08.000 You don't have a battle.

01:32:09.000 You don't have a competition to get Get these prominent ideas that you think are the most crucial in order to maintain this society and maybe even improve it.

01:32:19.000 They don't compete enough.

01:32:20.000 They have to be suppressed.

01:32:22.000 You have to choke people.

01:32:24.000 You gotta grab them.

01:32:25.000 You gotta shake them like bad babies.

01:32:28.000 Almost like you have to create this chaos.

01:32:32.000 It's almost like you have to create it in order for people to battle this chaos.

01:32:36.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess there is like a yin and yang to the fact that without corruption, there could never be like noble anti-corruption forces and without anything to fight against.

01:32:48.000 I don't believe there are any bad babies and you definitely shouldn't shake them.

01:32:51.000 That was a bad analogy.

01:32:52.000 That was a bad analogy, but if you're going to shake babies, make sure it's a bad baby.

01:32:56.000 Like a Hitler baby. 0.95

01:32:57.000 Hitler baby, I think it's okay to shake. 1.00

01:32:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:59.000 When do you think you could go back in time and be justified in killing Hitler? 0.91

01:33:03.000 Like if you killed him when he was 10, you'd be like an asshole.

01:33:05.000 Yeah, that's bad.

01:33:06.000 Maybe you should just coach him.

01:33:07.000 Yeah.

01:33:08.000 Teach him.

01:33:09.000 Anytime.

01:33:10.000 Yeah, well, that's...

01:33:10.000 I mean, once you have the ability to time travel, you'd think you could probably solve this in a better way than killing him.

01:33:15.000 Could you, though?

01:33:16.000 Maybe not.

01:33:17.000 I don't know.

01:33:18.000 You have to keep him from steroids and cocaine, right?

01:33:21.000 Because apparently that was the thing.

01:33:22.000 They would inject him with testosterone and cocaine.

01:33:24.000 You ever see that video of him at the Olympics?

01:33:25.000 Yes.

01:33:26.000 Where he's like, tweaking out?

01:33:27.000 It's amazing.

01:33:27.000 Yes.

01:33:28.000 Oh my god.

01:33:29.000 Can you imagine what it's like being in his inner circle?

01:33:29.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:33:32.000 Just like a little thing fucked up or something like that? 0.83

01:33:34.000 There's a crazy story.

01:33:36.000 I forget who told it to me.

01:33:38.000 I do too many podcasts.

01:33:39.000 But about Mussolini.

01:33:40.000 And that Mussolini was ready to get out of the war.

01:33:42.000 It's like, yeah.

01:33:43.000 Italy doesn't want to know part of this.

01:33:45.000 And they shot Hitler up with coke and testosterone. 0.91

01:33:49.000 And they sent him over there.

01:33:51.000 And he cornered Mussolini and fucking talked to him for hours.

01:33:54.000 Imagine being at a party with some guy who's just spitting in your face, telling you stories.

01:33:57.000 And he's talking just like his public speeches.

01:33:59.000 Just like going crazy.

01:34:03.000 And by the end of the fucking conversation, Mussolini is all in.

01:34:07.000 He's like, anything, just to get this man away from me.

01:34:10.000 But was it that or was Mussolini actually like, fuck yeah, we're going to fight this war.

01:34:14.000 Hitler just had this power. 0.94

01:34:16.000 He had a needle and a fucking mirror.

01:34:18.000 He's like, come on, do a story to this.

01:34:19.000 I'm going to fucking hit you with one of those. 1.00

01:34:21.000 Are we in?

01:34:21.000 Woo!

01:34:22.000 But, you know, Hitler was doing all sorts of hardcore amphetamines.

01:34:25.000 By the way, so was Kennedy.

01:34:26.000 Did you know that?

01:34:27.000 Yeah.

01:34:27.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:28.000 Did Dr. Feelgood?

01:34:29.000 You know, they were doing that to a lot of people back then.

01:34:32.000 I'm pretty convinced all of them are on some type of drugs.

01:34:35.000 You see Joe Biden sprinting out to his acceptance speech the other day.

01:34:38.000 They gave him a little something.

01:34:39.000 100%.

01:34:39.000 $100.

01:34:40.000 Donald Trump did, in back-to-back days in the last week before the election, five events at five different states where he did close to an hour at each one.

01:34:53.000 Amazing.

01:34:53.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 If someone told you, dude, we're getting on a plane, you're doing five hours tonight in five different states, you'd be like...

01:35:00.000 That's going to be a day, man.

01:35:01.000 Donald Trump is in his mid-70s.

01:35:04.000 He's overweight and he had COVID a couple weeks ago.

01:35:07.000 And he's fucking doing it.

01:35:09.000 And dude, he loves it.

01:35:11.000 Like he's just up there and like in the chest, we love you.

01:35:14.000 And by the way, nothing's scripted, which is the most amazing part about Trump.

01:35:18.000 He literally just gets up there and just fucking stream of consciousness. 0.60

01:35:22.000 They got a doctor with a turkey baster filled with testosterone.

01:35:24.000 Oh my gosh.

01:35:25.000 Shoving it into him.

01:35:26.000 They're giving him something.

01:35:28.000 It's not just Big Macs.

01:35:28.000 Everything.

01:35:29.000 There's something else at work there.

01:35:31.000 For sure.

01:35:32.000 There's definitely some sort of stimulant.

01:35:33.000 Probably prescribed by a doctor so it doesn't seem like it's bad.

01:35:36.000 I would never do drugs.

01:35:38.000 There's a lot of people that think that.

01:35:40.000 I knew a lady who was hooked on Xanax but she hated drugs. 1.00

01:35:44.000 I'm like, what do you think you're doing?

01:35:47.000 What do you think you're doing?

01:35:48.000 People have weird ideas about drugs.

01:35:51.000 Right, and if you talk to drug specialists, I mean, I've had people on that explain that kicking Xanax is actually more difficult than kicking opiates.

01:35:58.000 Xanax addiction is very serious.

01:36:00.000 Yeah, it's a powerful drug.

01:36:01.000 Maybe not more difficult, but it's in the realm.

01:36:05.000 It's an incredibly difficult thing to kick and has all sorts of weird complications with people.

01:36:11.000 You know, antidepressants in general, or anti-anxiety medication in general, like benzodiazepine.

01:36:16.000 That's that shit that Jordan Peterson was trying to get off.

01:36:18.000 And he was wrecked for a fucking year.

01:36:21.000 He's just coming out of the fog now.

01:36:23.000 I mean, had to go do a medical detox in Russia for benzos.

01:36:28.000 Have you ever done a benzo?

01:36:30.000 Do you know what that is?

01:36:31.000 I don't know what it's like.

01:36:32.000 No, I mean, I've heard the stories about Peterson.

01:36:34.000 Joey Diaz eats them in a bowl, like cornflakes.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, but Joey Diaz isn't exactly human.

01:36:39.000 I don't think he's ever had them.

01:36:40.000 He might have.

01:36:41.000 You couldn't do anything to Joey Diaz, no matter what you give him.

01:36:44.000 He'll be the same.

01:36:45.000 Well, while he's alive, he's a national treasure.

01:36:47.000 We should protect him with everything we can.

01:36:49.000 You've got him now.

01:36:50.000 That's right.

01:36:50.000 Yeah, he's in Jersey.

01:36:52.000 That's right.

01:36:52.000 Yeah.

01:36:53.000 That was win-win for the East Coast.

01:36:53.000 I'm happy.

01:36:55.000 And right when he got there, they legalized weed.

01:36:57.000 Coincidence?

01:36:59.000 Maybe not.

01:37:00.000 It's quite a coincidence if it is just that.

01:37:02.000 He brought the energy.

01:37:04.000 They probably thought about it.

01:37:05.000 Like, Uncle Joey's in town.

01:37:07.000 We've got to check that box.

01:37:10.000 I'm glad Joey Diaz is in New Jersey, and I'm glad Jordan Peterson is home.

01:37:14.000 I think the country could use some more Jordan Peterson.

01:37:17.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:37:18.000 And also, I think it's probably real important for a guy of his intellectual capacity to explain what it was like to be addicted to these things and try to get off of them.

01:37:29.000 I think a lot of us, especially it'd be easy for someone like me who's never been physically addicted to something where I had some serious withdrawals.

01:37:40.000 It's probably easy to dismiss that as mental weakness.

01:37:44.000 But when a guy who's as intelligent as him and has spent so much time talking about personal responsibility has a situation like this, it can shine some light in a very unique way.

01:37:55.000 Have you ever been addicted to anything?

01:37:59.000 Not really.

01:38:00.000 Coffee.

01:38:00.000 I was addicted to...

01:38:01.000 But I really am addicted to coffee.

01:38:03.000 You ever, like, not been able to have coffee?

01:38:05.000 Yeah, I've had some headaches.

01:38:06.000 Yeah, it's like I had to give blood, or I had to get blood tests once, like, a couple years ago, and it was like, you can't drink coffee before it, and it was, like, at noon.

01:38:14.000 And it was like, by the time I was out, I was like, holy shit, like, I'm really feeling...

01:38:19.000 But no, not addiction to, like, anything like...

01:38:22.000 You can get headaches.

01:38:23.000 I bought a 51-ounce French press.

01:38:27.000 It's a big old metal French press.

01:38:31.000 When I make coffee, if I make French press coffee, I put in way too much coffee.

01:38:35.000 You're not supposed to have that much grinds.

01:38:36.000 I'm basically making speed.

01:38:40.000 I poured the hot water and I drank the whole thing.

01:38:42.000 So I drank 50 ounces, whatever it is, without the beans.

01:38:47.000 I make it a couple inches thick on the bottom.

01:38:50.000 It's way more coffee than you're supposed to have.

01:38:52.000 So let's say I drink 45 ounces of coffee, and it's crank.

01:38:57.000 And by the end of the day, I was so tired.

01:39:00.000 And I was like, why am I so tired?

01:39:02.000 I'm like, oh, you were on speed today, stupid.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, basically.

01:39:05.000 It's catching up with you.

01:39:07.000 But before that, I felt so good.

01:39:10.000 I wanted to hug everybody.

01:39:11.000 I wanted to go to work.

01:39:12.000 I wanted to get things done.

01:39:14.000 I got a workout in.

01:39:15.000 I did some writing.

01:39:17.000 I made some phone calls.

01:39:19.000 That sounds pretty good to me.

01:39:20.000 The only negative was you got tired at the end of the day?

01:39:23.000 When Trump goes to sleep, I'd love to see a webcam of him when Adderall dies out and he has to take a sleeping pill.

01:39:23.000 At the end of the day, I was tired.

01:39:31.000 Whatever it is that he takes, the energy that that guy has...

01:39:34.000 I remember...

01:39:36.000 Bill O'Reilly interviewed him.

01:39:37.000 It was like when he first became president.

01:39:39.000 And it was before Bill O'Reilly went down, so around when he first became president.

01:39:44.000 And he asked him, I remember one which was the greatest thing ever was he asked him, he was like, so do you ever look around the White House and just think to yourself like, man, this is like really incredible.

01:39:53.000 I'm the president of the United States.

01:39:54.000 And Trump was like, yeah, it's a nice house.

01:39:57.000 He just seems so unimpressed with the fact that...

01:40:00.000 Well, it's probably kind of like shitholes compared to where he lived.

01:40:02.000 But that's just Donald Trump.

01:40:03.000 It's always like, did you ever have a serious moment where you thought about your role in history and all this and this house you're in?

01:40:09.000 And he's like, no.

01:40:10.000 Donald fucking Trump.

01:40:11.000 I live in a lot of nice houses.

01:40:11.000 I don't know.

01:40:13.000 And Bill O'Reilly asked him how much he sleeps a night.

01:40:16.000 And he said about three hours.

01:40:18.000 And he goes, does that mess with you?

01:40:19.000 And he goes, I always slept about three hours.

01:40:22.000 Like, he was always kind of being this guy.

01:40:25.000 He always loved—it was a big advantage.

01:40:27.000 The celebrity factor for Donald Trump was a big advantage in politics.

01:40:31.000 And a part of that was that, like, when he would get on those debate stages, you know, you got to think, like, in the primary debates with other Republicans, a lot of these guys like, you know, Marco Rubio or someone like that, he might have been groomed by the establishment.

01:40:45.000 But he hasn't been under these type of lights before.

01:40:48.000 He hasn't had 100 million people watching him before.

01:40:51.000 But Donald Trump stepped right in there like, this is exactly where I belong.

01:40:55.000 This is my home.

01:40:57.000 And was so comfortable.

01:40:58.000 Even someone like Jeb Bush, who's from the most powerful crime family in America.

01:41:03.000 But has he ever been in a spotlight like that before?

01:41:06.000 No.

01:41:06.000 Not with a guy like Donald Trump, who doesn't follow any of the rules.

01:41:10.000 What are you going to say, Jamie?

01:41:11.000 I've heard recently, I don't even know if it's speculation, but the drug he's taking is not Adderall or some meth thing, but he's taking Provigil, actually.

01:41:22.000 Could be.

01:41:22.000 I just found a tweet from two years ago that his doctor apparently passes it out like candy.

01:41:27.000 Yeah, well, that will definitely pep you up.

01:41:29.000 I believe it.

01:41:30.000 Yeah, I've taken that.

01:41:32.000 I've taken Provigil.

01:41:34.000 Without a doubt, it gives you a lot of energy.

01:41:36.000 It's great if you have to drive, and you're not going to be able to get any sleep.

01:41:40.000 It's amazing.

01:41:41.000 Amazing for staying awake.

01:41:42.000 But, yeah, makes sense.

01:41:45.000 I mean, it's not a speed technically.

01:41:48.000 It's a different, it's in a different class.

01:41:51.000 I've never taken it.

01:41:51.000 It doesn't elevate your heart rate.

01:41:54.000 It's banned from, I believe it's banned from Olympic competition.

01:42:00.000 See if that's the case.

01:42:02.000 New Vigil, look up New Vigil.

01:42:05.000 Is it finasteride?

01:42:07.000 Is that what it's called?

01:42:08.000 Modafinil.

01:42:09.000 Modafinil.

01:42:10.000 Finasteride is like, that's Advil, isn't it?

01:42:13.000 No, that's Viagra. 1.00

01:42:15.000 They added it to the prohibited substances 10 days before the 2004 Olympics.

01:42:21.000 Yeah, because it does give you some sort of a stimulant effect.

01:42:26.000 But not a stimulant effect.

01:42:28.000 You never had it?

01:42:29.000 I don't think so.

01:42:30.000 It's cool.

01:42:31.000 It gives you this weird buzz.

01:42:31.000 It's weird.

01:42:33.000 You have this weird...

01:42:34.000 I don't necessarily think it increases your IQ. I don't think it increases...

01:42:40.000 I shouldn't say IQ. Cognitive performance.

01:42:42.000 But I do think it makes you appear like you've increased your cognitive performance.

01:42:47.000 Maybe it makes you think that you're smarter, but it gives you more energy.

01:42:51.000 That sounds dangerous.

01:42:52.000 See, look up no benefit for cognitive performance on ProVigil.

01:43:00.000 I might be wrong.

01:43:01.000 I think there may be a slight uptick for a lot of people.

01:43:04.000 But for a lot of people, I think one of the things that holds them back is they're just not that healthy.

01:43:08.000 They don't have a lot of energy.

01:43:11.000 Healthy people that are really vibrant people that are in good shape, they have more energy for stuff, and that would make them think better.

01:43:18.000 Researchers have found that modafinil boosts higher order cognitive function without causing serious side effects.

01:43:25.000 Modafinil, which has been prescribed in the U.S. since 1998 to treat sleep related conditions such as narcolepsy and sleep apnea, heightens alertness as much as caffeine does.

01:43:35.000 Well, they're really selling it.

01:43:37.000 Sounds awesome.

01:43:38.000 Yeah, it says, but do that again.

01:43:39.000 Click on that again.

01:43:40.000 Does it increase IQ? Boost higher order cognitive function.

01:43:44.000 I don't know what that is.

01:43:45.000 You'd have to take a couple tests, I guess, to figure out if it boosts.

01:43:48.000 I don't know.

01:43:49.000 Right.

01:43:49.000 It'd be hard to test for.

01:43:51.000 Yeah.

01:43:52.000 It's interesting.

01:43:54.000 From what I understand, even though it was prescribed for narcolepsy, I believe it was developed for...

01:44:03.000 I think it was developed as a performance-enhancing drug.

01:44:06.000 I think they developed it to...

01:44:09.000 They were trying to figure out how to increase cognitive function.

01:44:13.000 And then they said, well, you can't just give a drug out for people that want to get smarter about shit.

01:44:19.000 You have to have a reason, like a medical condition, because of the state of our medical system.

01:44:23.000 And so then they said, um, narcolepsy.

01:44:28.000 It'll help against narcolepsy.

01:44:31.000 A lot of these drugs are developed like that.

01:44:33.000 They're developed for a purpose completely different than what they end up being.

01:44:36.000 900,000 prescriptions in 2017 in just the US for it.

01:44:41.000 Most of them were me.

01:44:42.000 That makes it the number 328th most commonly prescribed.

01:44:46.000 Wow, it's really good.

01:44:47.000 It's almost a billion, though.

01:44:48.000 I'm not saying you should get on it.

01:44:50.000 I haven't taken it for years, though.

01:44:50.000 I definitely have.

01:44:52.000 I'm not saying you should, but it looks like Trump's doing it, and things are working out pretty good for that guy.

01:44:56.000 Well, not right now, they're not.

01:44:57.000 Now he's just ranting and raving like a big baby.

01:45:01.000 Take your lumps, sir.

01:45:02.000 But when you...

01:45:04.000 I know a guy who's an author who says he can't function without it.

01:45:07.000 He writes.

01:45:08.000 That's what he uses.

01:45:10.000 He uses that stuff.

01:45:11.000 He doesn't have any energy without it.

01:45:13.000 No, it works.

01:45:14.000 I think a lot of people are like...

01:45:17.000 They're just not that healthy, right?

01:45:19.000 And they need something to give them a little pick-me-up.

01:45:22.000 I talked to Tim Ferriss about it.

01:45:24.000 Tim Ferriss is into a lot of performance-enhancing things and a lot of biohacking type things.

01:45:30.000 And he said that he didn't want to put it in his book.

01:45:35.000 It was a four-hour body or the four-hour work.

01:45:38.000 I don't remember which one it was.

01:45:40.000 One of his books.

01:45:41.000 One of his sort of like how to beat the system type books.

01:45:44.000 Because he goes, I felt like people were just going to start eating it like candy.

01:45:49.000 And he goes, and I feel like there's always a biological...

01:45:53.000 There's no biological free rides.

01:45:54.000 There's always some sort of negative aspect, especially to abuse of something like that.

01:46:01.000 But when you're 74 and you eat nothing but french fries and you're out there kicking ass, you gotta go, like, how much time has this guy got left anyway?

01:46:08.000 Well, yeah, but some people are just freaks like that, you know?

01:46:11.000 It's true, like some people don't, you know what I mean?

01:46:14.000 They'll be like some people who are like, eat like shit and like still fucking, like some people just naturally have better cardio, even if they're not like running as much as somebody else, they just naturally have it better.

01:46:25.000 Some people can treat their bodies like shit and still function.

01:46:28.000 Most people can't.

01:46:30.000 But Trump is, if nothing else, he is unique.

01:46:33.000 Well, he kicked COVID so quickly.

01:46:36.000 I don't care what drugs they gave him.

01:46:38.000 It's like, yeah, but he got access to drugs that we don't have.

01:46:40.000 Okay, well, give them to everybody.

01:46:41.000 Give those drugs to everybody, and then we open up the country again.

01:46:44.000 Because of that fat guy who's almost dead.

01:46:46.000 He's 74. What is the average life expectancy?

01:46:49.000 I think he's above it.

01:46:51.000 I think, is it 77?

01:46:53.000 Is it?

01:46:54.000 It's in the neighborhood.

01:46:55.000 Yeah, it's lowered this year because of all the stress.

01:46:57.000 Sure.

01:46:58.000 Let's just say it's 76. So he's two years away from being dead.

01:47:03.000 And you guys gave him these magic drugs, now he's doing five hours of campaigns every day?

01:47:07.000 Whatever those drugs are, you gotta give them out to everybody.

01:47:11.000 76. Yeah, look at that.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:14.000 81 for chicks.

01:47:16.000 The last, yeah.

01:47:18.000 And they complain.

01:47:19.000 Well, the last five years they just laugh.

01:47:22.000 Fuck, can't I win?

01:47:26.000 It's kind of great.

01:47:28.000 I mean, I hope, this is the big hope, right?

01:47:31.000 Biden gets into office, the country relaxes, all this crazy shit about making lists and everything, people realize that's bad.

01:47:38.000 And then whatever this vaccine is, and whatever these treatments are, we're allowed to go back to normal again.

01:47:45.000 That would be the best case scenario.

01:47:47.000 That I think that Joe Biden does something, you know, we'll have a national mask mandate or something, and then we'll do that for two months, and then he goes, we defeated the virus, and we did it because we finally got serious and listened to the science.

01:48:01.000 But, I gotta say, I'm not super optimistic that that's the way it's gonna go.

01:48:07.000 Well, explain what you were saying to me before the show.

01:48:09.000 We were talking about governors realizing Oh, well, I mean, yeah, look, I mean, I think that what's what's happened over the last year in America is really like unprecedented.

01:48:19.000 I mean, the idea that Americans have now accepted to some degree that we could be in a state where we're sitting at home watching our governors on television to find out what we're allowed to do today.

01:48:34.000 Are we allowed to go to the park?

01:48:35.000 Can I see my grandmother?

01:48:37.000 Can I have my family over?

01:48:38.000 Can I go to work like the most intimate, basic I think?

01:49:06.000 The effect that the lockdowns and all this will have.

01:49:09.000 I think it would be something like 9-11, where, you know, like, right after 9-11, you remember there was all that fear that there'd be another terrorist attack.

01:49:16.000 Like, oh my god, we're terrified this could happen again.

01:49:19.000 And that's kind of gone away.

01:49:20.000 People don't really live with a fear of another terrorist attack.

01:49:23.000 But the Department of Homeland Security is here to stay.

01:49:25.000 The TSA is here to stay.

01:49:27.000 The wars that we're fighting are seemingly here to stay.

01:49:30.000 The Patriot Act is here to stay. 0.62

01:49:31.000 All of these things.

01:49:32.000 Yes.

01:49:37.000 Yes.

01:49:49.000 Especially when it's for your own good, like in a medical emergency.

01:49:53.000 And the problem is, we've always lost so many people to so many different medical emergencies, so many different medical problems.

01:50:01.000 I mean, what if the government changed the way people were allowed to eat?

01:50:04.000 Because we talked about the money, like all the heart disease, and all the money that is going towards treating heart disease.

01:50:13.000 And we have to put a stop to this.

01:50:16.000 It's become a real issue in this country.

01:50:17.000 We're losing half a million people a year, whatever it is, to heart disease and heart attacks.

01:50:22.000 We have to stop this, and so we're going to enforce certain rules and regulations in terms of how you can eat.

01:50:28.000 Once you accept this principle...

01:50:33.000 There's a lot of different ways that you could go down this line.

01:50:37.000 And the other big one, I would say, is climate change.

01:50:40.000 I mean, if you accept that COVID was this emergency so that we have to lock everyone in their houses and all this stuff...

01:50:48.000 Well, okay, you have a whole bunch of people who are arguing that climate change is an existential crisis that's going to, you know, make all things, the planet uninhabitable, excuse me, for all living things.

01:51:01.000 Well, then, by that logic, wouldn't that be worth locking people in their homes over?

01:51:05.000 And so it's very dangerous once you've set this precedent that the government can do this.

01:51:10.000 And they all look around at each other and realize, oh, we got away with this.

01:51:14.000 And by the way, that's not...

01:51:15.000 Even if you believe the lockdowns were the right thing to do for COVID, which I don't, but even if you believe that, you'd still have to be concerned about this, like, authoritarianism that we've kind of, like, ushered in over this last year.

01:51:28.000 It doesn't mean that that's not a danger anymore.

01:51:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:32.000 Like, even if you think chemotherapy is necessary to kill the cancer, you still have to worry about all the other, you know, like, effects of chemotherapy.

01:51:39.000 And so...

01:51:40.000 That, to me, is what's very dangerous about all of this.

01:51:44.000 Joe Biden ran on the idea that he's open to another round of lockdowns.

01:51:49.000 And I wonder if people realize, like, how devastating the last round of lockdowns were and how devastating it would be to do it again.

01:51:58.000 I don't know.

01:51:59.000 I hope your version was right.

01:52:00.000 Has it really opened?

01:52:02.000 When you say, like, in certain places, like, L.A. is locked down.

01:52:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:08.000 It never really opened.

01:52:09.000 Right, right.

01:52:10.000 They opened a few things for a few weeks, like gyms and nail salons, and they closed it back down again.

01:52:17.000 Right.

01:52:18.000 So yeah, so in some places it is still pretty locked down, and then in some places it's kind of quasi-locked down, not quite as much as it was back in March, April, May.

01:52:26.000 Right.

01:52:27.000 But yeah, no, New York City's never been the same, and businesses have been destroyed, people's lives have been destroyed over this.

01:52:33.000 It's a real awful thing.

01:52:36.000 New York City has some crazy amount of apartments that are open.

01:52:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:52:40.000 Bananas.

01:52:41.000 People have been bailing on New York City.

01:52:43.000 Yeah, like I think the last check was like double the amount of normal apartments that are available.

01:52:48.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:52:50.000 Yeah, people have been moving out like crazy and it's hard.

01:52:52.000 It was hard for a while to get like any numbers on it, but I know like stories I've heard people who work for moving companies saying like you can't book us to move.

01:53:02.000 We're completely booked up.

01:53:03.000 Like we're moving everybody and they're all going out of the city.

01:53:06.000 U-Hauls were really hard to get for a while.

01:53:08.000 Look at that.

01:53:09.000 Empty rental apartments in Manhattan.

01:53:11.000 Triple.

01:53:12.000 Hitting nearly 16,000.

01:53:14.000 Wow.

01:53:14.000 Whoa, and that was October 8th.

01:53:15.000 I bet it's even worse now.

01:53:17.000 Month later?

01:53:19.000 That's nuts.

01:53:20.000 Vacancy rate in Manhattan, which is typically 2% to 3%, is now under 6%.

01:53:24.000 Whew.

01:53:26.000 Wow.

01:53:27.000 Wow.

01:53:29.000 I just saw something about Los Angeles or some counties in California might be getting rolling back now because the numbers are going up again.

01:53:36.000 Oh, really?

01:53:37.000 The numbers are going up again.

01:53:39.000 And of course, all this stuff isn't just the lockdowns.

01:53:41.000 It was also all the riots over this summer and the fear that these riots were going to get worse and worse.

01:53:47.000 And the looting.

01:53:48.000 And the looting, yeah.

01:53:49.000 Not that it was already pretty bad, but the fear was kind of like, oh, I guess...

01:53:52.000 Especially when it was a really crazy thing to see the cops step back and just let people loot.

01:54:00.000 It was basically just like, okay, you're going to do it.

01:54:02.000 Well, I believe in Santa Monica, the sheriff gave orders for the cops to stand down.

01:54:02.000 Go for it.

01:54:07.000 See if that's true.

01:54:08.000 Because people were criticizing her.

01:54:10.000 They were really upset.

01:54:12.000 And even if that hasn't been talked about in other areas, it was pretty clear that they were given orders to stand down in a lot of places.

01:54:19.000 Well, when the numbers get so high, I mean, the cops had abandoned that Minneapolis police station, right?

01:54:24.000 I mean, it got to the point where they were overcoming the police station.

01:54:28.000 They let them light the police station on fire.

01:54:30.000 Like, when I got up in the morning after the shit hit the fan in L.A., and I saw this video of these cop cars, like, on the highway, just lit on fire one after the other, covered in spray paint, windows smashed in.

01:54:30.000 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 I was like, whoa!

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:45.000 This is in L.A. This is not in Minnesota.

01:54:48.000 This is not in Minneapolis where it actually happened.

01:54:50.000 This is nowhere near it, and they're lighting other cop cars on fire.

01:54:55.000 That's...

01:54:56.000 Santa Monica police chief stepped down a couple weeks ago.

01:55:00.000 Okay.

01:55:01.000 Recognizing that recent events, both here in Santa Monica and around the nation, have strained community police relations, Chief Renown has made the decision to step aside so the Santa Monica Police Department can continue to move forward.

01:55:14.000 A statement announcing her retirement said, I'm pretty sure she told the cops to stand down. 1.00

01:55:20.000 It starts off saying that, like, amid anger over her response to the protests.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:25.000 The idea was that, and this was the same idea that the mayor of New York Acted on.

01:55:32.000 That you let them burn out.

01:55:33.000 Let them get it out of their system.

01:55:35.000 Which is...

01:55:36.000 That really sucks if you happen to be one of those people caught in the burning it out.

01:55:41.000 Yeah.

01:55:42.000 That's pretty rough.

01:55:44.000 You also open up the door to the fact that this can happen again.

01:55:46.000 And if it does happen again, you're not going to do anything again.

01:55:49.000 Well, and it does...

01:55:50.000 And it seems like there's no...

01:55:52.000 At this point now, it's like...

01:55:54.000 If there is an incident that comes out where a cop killed a black guy...

01:56:00.000 Right.

01:56:04.000 Right.

01:56:06.000 Right.

01:56:21.000 Right from the very beginning in Minneapolis was like, okay, this is completely unacceptable.

01:56:25.000 You can't support people destroying communities because they're pissed off about an unrelated thing.

01:56:32.000 And any more than you can support the U.S. You know, invading Iraq because they're pissed off about 9-11.

01:56:39.000 Like, you can't just be like, hey, this guy did something to me, so I'm going to go take it out on this guy.

01:56:44.000 And then people give you these, like, responses like, so you care more about looting than about human lives or something.

01:56:49.000 And you're like, well, why is it a choice?

01:56:51.000 Like, why can't I be against all of it?

01:56:54.000 I know.

01:56:55.000 It's a weird narrative.

01:56:58.000 Well, there's been a lot of those this year.

01:57:01.000 Like, there was the, oh, you just want to get a haircut was a big narrative if you, like, opposed the lockdowns.

01:57:06.000 Yeah.

01:57:07.000 Where you're kind of like, do you really think that's all that human life is, leaving your home, is just getting a haircut?

01:57:13.000 It's not like, I don't know, you know, seeing your family or getting a cancer screening or, you know, like, whatever.

01:57:20.000 All of human life, pretty much.

01:57:21.000 It's just reduced to, you just want a haircut?

01:57:23.000 Also, you being able to make your own decisions.

01:57:26.000 Yeah.

01:57:27.000 Like, one thing you're allowed to do is enter into the protests.

01:57:33.000 So people were protesting and everybody thought that was okay.

01:57:37.000 So you're shoulder to shoulder, which I agree with.

01:57:39.000 I don't have any problem with protests.

01:57:42.000 I think you have a point.

01:57:43.000 You're allowed to.

01:57:44.000 It's part of freedom of assembly.

01:57:45.000 It's part of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights.

01:57:48.000 It's part of who we are.

01:57:49.000 You're allowed to protest things that you disagree with.

01:57:51.000 Yeah, if you're peaceful, I absolutely agree with you.

01:57:54.000 But if you're going to allow people to do that, you should also allow them to go to the gym.

01:57:57.000 You should also allow them to go to comedy clubs.

01:58:00.000 You should also allow them to go to restaurants.

01:58:02.000 You should allow them to do whatever they want.

01:58:04.000 And if you say, well, you have to have a consideration that you're going to get all these other people sick if you get sick, okay.

01:58:11.000 Yeah.

01:58:17.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:35.000 That, to me, was like one of the craziest moments I've ever lived through.

01:58:39.000 Cognitive dissonance.

01:58:40.000 And I've, like, all the time talk about how corrupt and how the corporate press are all liars and stuff and all that.

01:58:46.000 But to actually see that, that they would go, like, it was like...

01:58:50.000 Okay, it was like three months of this complete change of the American way of life, where it's like, listen, we all gotta do this.

01:58:58.000 You have to give up everything and stay home because we gotta control this disease.

01:59:02.000 And then, like, they were like, oh my god, there were 20-year-olds at the beach.

01:59:07.000 Oh my god, they're gonna spread it.

01:59:08.000 And then, like, two days later, it was like, no, this is totally fine.

01:59:11.000 And you're like, what the fuck?

01:59:13.000 What the fuck is going on?

01:59:14.000 How could you possibly rob everything from people, but then you decide that because they're protesting a cause that we agree, like, we agree with the cause, therefore this is okay.

01:59:26.000 That was fucking weird.

01:59:27.000 There's no negative consequences to it at all.

01:59:29.000 Yeah.

01:59:30.000 Yeah.

01:59:30.000 Like, that was really bizarre.

01:59:32.000 And then there were things, you know, I heard a lot of these kind of, like, anecdotal stories, like, people would tell, but I mean, there were things where, like, you know, I heard this one story that always stuck with me about a guy whose wife was pregnant and she got sick and it looked like they might lose the baby and they wouldn't let him in the appointment with her.

01:59:54.000 They didn't lose the baby, thank God, and everything was fine.

01:59:57.000 She was going into a sonogram to maybe find out that they had lost the baby and they wouldn't let him be there to hold her hand through that.

02:00:05.000 And it's just like...

02:00:06.000 Right.

02:00:23.000 Like, that wasn't important for him to be there with his wife.

02:00:25.000 And that's an individual.

02:00:26.000 That's a controlled environment.

02:00:27.000 You could test both of them.

02:00:28.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 You know?

02:00:29.000 And so it's just...

02:00:30.000 It's pretty...

02:00:31.000 And that really did a lot to, like, undermine people's confidence in, like, the scientists and the...

02:00:37.000 You know, you want to say follow the science.

02:00:39.000 It's like, yeah, but this isn't science.

02:00:40.000 That's politics.

02:00:41.000 You recognize that there's a lot of malarkey.

02:00:43.000 This is not all 100% straightforward.

02:00:45.000 Yeah.

02:00:46.000 Yeah.

02:00:47.000 I was talking to a guy who's a very intelligent guy, and we were talking about one of these recent studies, both COVID and UV light, and how it shows that it dies very quickly in sunlight.

02:01:00.000 And he goes, well, that's why there was no spread after the riots.

02:01:03.000 I go, did they stop when it went dark?

02:01:05.000 Like, what are you talking about?

02:01:06.000 There was a spread.

02:01:07.000 Like, there was an uptick.

02:01:09.000 It was going down, and then it came back up again.

02:01:11.000 I mean, it's all, like, within a week or two of the riots starting.

02:01:15.000 Like, you can see the cases.

02:01:17.000 But it's not even like...

02:01:18.000 But he wanted to believe it.

02:01:19.000 Yeah.

02:01:20.000 No, I understand.

02:01:20.000 He's not a part of the media, and there was no one around but me.

02:01:23.000 Yeah, but sometimes it's a very powerful thing to start with an emotional position and then rationalize from there.

02:01:32.000 And we all do that, myself included.

02:01:35.000 But there's also a thing where you want to say things and the other person says the same thing.

02:01:40.000 You both agree.

02:01:41.000 You agree to this weird mantra.

02:01:43.000 Yeah, and you reinforce it with both of you because you just bounced it off each other and said we're both more sure that we're right.

02:01:48.000 We're both on the right team.

02:01:49.000 But the weirdest part about it then was that, so then they'd go like, okay, oh my god, some kids went to spring break, these evil killers, like how could these kids do this?

02:01:59.000 They don't care about grandma.

02:02:00.000 And then two days later we're protesting and that's totally fine.

02:02:02.000 We're not going to get COVID that way.

02:02:04.000 And then another day later it's like, oh wait, Trump had a rally?

02:02:07.000 Oh, I mean, this is going to spread COVID like crazy.

02:02:09.000 And it just got so bananas that it's like, dude, your agenda is showing.

02:02:14.000 It's just obvious way.

02:02:16.000 And you can maybe defend that agenda, but that's an agenda.

02:02:21.000 That's not science.

02:02:22.000 It's so inconsistent.

02:02:24.000 Yeah.

02:02:25.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

02:02:26.000 It's not science.

02:02:27.000 But...

02:02:29.000 You know, I think also people felt like this was a real chance for change, and they were willing to take a risk.

02:02:35.000 You know, these protests were important because they represented enough is enough, and that people were going to get out in the streets.

02:02:42.000 And even if windows got broken and things got lit on fire, at the end of the day, we're going to fix all that and calm it down.

02:02:49.000 And this was the idea behind it, right?

02:02:50.000 Yeah, but I think if you really wanted to make a change, then they couldn't have done a worse job of how they went about it.

02:02:58.000 And I understand it's a lot of different people, so it's not like any one person you can blame.

02:03:02.000 But, like, if you...

02:03:03.000 My buddy Scott Horton, who's a fucking genius, by the way, Scott Horton at the Libertarian Institute, and he...

02:03:11.000 Oh, I'm wearing a shirt.

02:03:12.000 Oh, look at you.

02:03:14.000 But he said, and I really love this, he said when Black Lives Matter first came out, he was like...

02:03:19.000 And he's like, as against police brutality as any human being on the planet.

02:03:23.000 He's been writing about this for decades.

02:03:24.000 And he's like, he goes, don't call it Black Lives Matter.

02:03:28.000 Call it accountability for killer cops and just run with that.

02:03:33.000 Like, just run with the narrative that, look, this is what we want and it's something you can't argue for.

02:03:38.000 Don't insert the racial thing.

02:03:39.000 It's going to get played in a million different ways.

02:03:41.000 It ends up, like, creating all these dynamics that aren't helpful to getting to the root of the problem, which is we want these five major policy reforms, you know?

02:03:52.000 We want to, you know...

02:03:54.000 Accountability for killer cops, end the war on drugs, end qualified immunity, end civil asset forfeiture.

02:03:59.000 Pick some really important things that would actually save lives and go hard at those.

02:04:05.000 But the problem is that then you have the way the movement goes, and then you have the rioting and stuff like that and the looting, and then this ends up turning a lot of people off who would maybe be sympathetic to you.

02:04:17.000 But don't you think that over and over again you see white cop, black victim, white cop, black victim... 0.95

02:04:22.000 We're good to go.

02:04:44.000 So you have to acknowledge the racial aspect of it.

02:04:48.000 I think just by saying it, justice against killer cops, or get rid of killer cops, you're not addressing the thing that is maybe most disturbing to many people, is that it keeps being a white cop and a black man. 0.84

02:05:03.000 I think that there are certainly videos where that is the case.

02:05:08.000 There's also a lot of videos where that's not the case.

02:05:10.000 They don't get the same amount of play in the press.

02:05:13.000 But the ones that become viral, these big stories.

02:05:17.000 But the question might be why those ones become such big stories and the other ones don't.

02:05:22.000 My point is that when you play up the racial aspect of it, What you end up doing is then you start having this conversation.

02:05:31.000 Okay, so about twice as many white people are unarmed.

02:05:34.000 White people are killed by cops every year than black people.

02:05:37.000 But black people aren't half the population of white people.

02:05:41.000 So black people are like 13% of the population.

02:05:43.000 So for them to be, you know, whatever it is, like 40% or something like that of the killings, it is disproportionate.

02:05:49.000 Then you have to take into account where the high crime neighborhoods are, how many interactions they're having with police.

02:05:54.000 Like, I understand there are these videos that go viral.

02:05:57.000 What happened to me, in my opinion, what happened to George Floyd was like horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.

02:06:04.000 I think what happened to Breonna Taylor was horrific and people should go to jail over that shit.

02:06:08.000 It's not clear to me at all that race was a factor in those cases.

02:06:13.000 I could be wrong about that.

02:06:14.000 I just haven't really seen any evidence to suggest that it was, but maybe it is.

02:06:18.000 I just think that you end up going down this road.

02:06:21.000 So one of the activists in Minneapolis said, Said this thing, and this is where like wokeism comes in to poison this shit from my perspective.

02:06:29.000 So he said they don't want to call it police brutality anymore.

02:06:34.000 They want to call it systemic racism.

02:06:37.000 Because this is just another form of systemic racism.

02:06:39.000 Forget the term police brutality.

02:06:41.000 And what ends up happening when you look at things that way is what you don't get rid of is police brutality.

02:06:46.000 What you end up getting rid of is Aunt Jemima.

02:06:50.000 It becomes a distraction of other issues rather than focusing on the major issues that you care about.

02:06:57.000 And I'm just saying, if you wanted to be effective, I think Black Lives Matter would be better off to share some of those videos of it happening to white people also and go, look, this isn't just black people's problem.

02:07:08.000 This is a cop on civilian problem.

02:07:11.000 This is a government authoritarian problem.

02:07:13.000 Well, there have been some that went viral.

02:07:14.000 The one that was most disturbing to me was the guy in Phoenix.

02:07:17.000 Shaver, I believe his last name was.

02:07:19.000 On his knees.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, crawling.

02:07:21.000 They made him crawl and he kept reaching back to pick his pants up as they were falling down.

02:07:25.000 He's crying and begging for his life and the guy lit him up on the ground.

02:07:28.000 It's the worst one I've ever seen.

02:07:29.000 It's insane because he made the guy crawl to him and then he gunned him down as he was crawling to him.

02:07:34.000 And he's screaming at him the whole time.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, screaming at him.

02:07:37.000 And he had a toy gun or something like that.

02:07:41.000 And they saw him with a toy gun out the window and they called in the SWAT team.

02:07:44.000 So they came in geared up and revved up.

02:07:48.000 There's been a lot of police brutality videos.

02:07:51.000 The Sandra Bland one is particularly disturbing. 0.76

02:07:54.000 She didn't do anything wrong.

02:07:55.000 He's telling her to put her cigarette out in her car.

02:07:58.000 Like, who the fuck are you to tell her to put her cigarette out?

02:08:00.000 That's the one who died in jail?

02:08:01.000 Yeah.

02:08:01.000 She hung herself or something happened?

02:08:03.000 Or something happened.

02:08:04.000 We don't know.

02:08:06.000 That's part of the problem.

02:08:07.000 But the racial aspect of it, if you're a person who's a black person or any person of color and you see over and over again a white cop killing a black person, whether it's representative...

02:08:20.000 I mean, you're not going to think when you see those videos...

02:08:23.000 Oh, well, there's a million interactions and most of them are positive.

02:08:27.000 You're just going to know your experiences with cops and if cops have bullied you and fuck with you or maybe you've been a victim of police brutality yourself.

02:08:35.000 And then you're going to think of how many times there's been a white cop doing it to a black person.

02:08:39.000 And I think the number is not insignificant and it has to be addressed.

02:08:42.000 Yeah, look, I certainly understand why that would be a lot of people's perspective.

02:08:47.000 I get that completely.

02:08:49.000 I'm just saying that from the way I look at it is like I think that really for the first time that I've ever seen, I thought leading up to the George Floyd situation that right-wingers were really getting red-pilled on cops.

02:09:05.000 Like, they were actually getting really pissed off at the cops.

02:09:07.000 Because the cops were the ones enforcing these lockdowns.

02:09:09.000 And they were against it.

02:09:11.000 And there was a lot of, like, stuff where right-wingers would be like, can you believe these cops are actually doing this?

02:09:15.000 If they'll shut down...

02:09:16.000 You know, they were shutting down churches.

02:09:17.000 That's something that pisses right-wingers off.

02:09:20.000 And then when the George Floyd thing came out, I think pretty much everybody...

02:09:24.000 Not everybody, but the vast majority of the public was like, that is really horrible, what happened to that guy.

02:09:30.000 And I think there was a lot of energy that could have actually been used for real change.

02:09:36.000 And I think that what's happened since then has basically blown it.

02:09:40.000 Because you see what happens then when people see rioting and looting, who do they want?

02:09:50.000 We're good to go.

02:10:16.000 Yeah, it's a recipe for disaster, but it's also, it's real easy to break things.

02:10:22.000 It's not so easy to fix them.

02:10:23.000 It's not so easy to bring it all back together again the way it was 11 months ago.

02:10:28.000 Like, try getting there right now.

02:10:30.000 It's going to take you 11 years.

02:10:32.000 Well, that's right.

02:10:33.000 And you may never get it.

02:10:35.000 You might never get it.

02:10:36.000 One thing that I think people, the ones who really wanted Trump out, and I understand why a lot of them did, I think a lot of people just had Trump fatigue.

02:10:46.000 They're like, I just can't deal with this bullshit anymore.

02:10:49.000 I just can't.

02:10:50.000 But I think they should realize the possibility that we're never going to a pre-Trump world.

02:10:55.000 Like, never 100%, you know?

02:10:58.000 And I think we may never go to a pre-COVID world again, and we may never go to a pre-Black Lives Matter world again. 0.98

02:11:04.000 Like, we might get closer to that than we are now, but I don't know that we'll ever go back to that time completely, in the same way that we never went to a pre-9-11 world again.

02:11:13.000 Or a pre-Kennedy assassination world again.

02:11:16.000 There's certain events in our history that they change us forever, and this is most certainly one of those events.

02:11:22.000 But you probably could have said the same thing about the Spanish flu, although I don't think the government or the media was as sophisticated back then, and there was a lot more...

02:11:31.000 There's a lot more hardship in the world, period.

02:11:34.000 And then what happened right after the Spanish Flu was the Roaring Twenties, right?

02:11:38.000 That was immediately afterwards.

02:11:39.000 And then, of course, the Great Depression.

02:11:40.000 There's been a lot of ups and downs and hills and valleys back then.

02:11:43.000 But those people got through that and then stopped wearing masks.

02:11:48.000 So it's weird when you see the photos from the Spanish Flu.

02:11:51.000 I never knew that they were wearing masks, that people wore masks in public.

02:11:55.000 But when you look at these old black-and-white photos, it's really kind of interesting.

02:11:59.000 Like, you go, oh...

02:12:00.000 Look at that.

02:12:01.000 It's almost like, I know they're real pictures, but if they weren't, like, someone's, like, photoshopped masks on these people and pretended that there was a pandemic back then, that's what it looked like.

02:12:11.000 It looked almost fake.

02:12:13.000 I've seen some of those photos.

02:12:13.000 Yeah, yeah, I know.

02:12:15.000 But I know what you mean.

02:12:16.000 But I think, like, what you said is really the heart of it.

02:12:19.000 Life was just so much harder back then.

02:12:21.000 Here we go.

02:12:22.000 These people sitting around.

02:12:22.000 Look at this.

02:12:23.000 Looks like they're watching a baseball.

02:12:25.000 Is it a football game?

02:12:26.000 I think so, yeah.

02:12:26.000 Look at them.

02:12:27.000 They all have masks on.

02:12:28.000 But they still went to see the game.

02:12:28.000 Crazy.

02:12:30.000 You hear about the flu being down dramatically?

02:12:34.000 Look at all these players have masks on.

02:12:36.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:12:37.000 The football squad has masks on.

02:12:40.000 What year is that, Jamie?

02:12:41.000 I typed in Spanish flu sport football game because I remember seeing this picture.

02:12:45.000 It says it's 1918 over on this one, too.

02:12:48.000 Wow, that's nuts.

02:12:50.000 So did they ultimately come up with a vaccine for the Spanish flu?

02:12:53.000 Look at that, they're playing baseball with the fucking masks on.

02:12:57.000 Wow.

02:12:58.000 See, doesn't that seem fake to you?

02:13:00.000 I know it's real.

02:13:01.000 But it seems like, what?

02:13:01.000 Yeah.

02:13:02.000 I never saw these before.

02:13:04.000 That guy's a rebel.

02:13:06.000 See that guy right there?

02:13:07.000 He's on Parler.

02:13:08.000 He doesn't wear a mask.

02:13:09.000 I feel like I also saw something that was like, this was not actual, they didn't wear a mask, but I couldn't, I don't know which was actually accurate.

02:13:15.000 I think we've got to stop people from wearing masks in their Twitter profiles.

02:13:18.000 Fuck.

02:13:19.000 That's basically the same thing as your pronouns in your bio.

02:13:19.000 Stop.

02:13:23.000 It's basically the exact same thing.

02:13:24.000 Stop letting everybody else know that you're a good person.

02:13:27.000 If you want to be a good person, just go be a good person.

02:13:30.000 Some people do podcasts with masks on.

02:13:32.000 I've seen that.

02:13:32.000 Jesus Christ.

02:13:33.000 Really?

02:13:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:34.000 Mm-hmm.

02:13:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:36.000 Oh, my God.

02:13:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:38.000 See, by the way, this is what...

02:13:39.000 I hate all of this shit where it's like...

02:13:42.000 How about, like, and this is one of the things that I hate about, like, wokeism in general, too, is that it lets everybody kind of, like, pretend they're, like, let everyone else know they're a good person, but you don't actually have to do shit.

02:13:54.000 Did you see Kamala Harris at one of the press conferences wearing a mask while she was talking?

02:13:58.000 One of her speeches?

02:13:59.000 She had a mask on while she was speaking.

02:14:02.000 There's so many things that are so weird about this whole response where you're like, that doesn't even make sense.

02:14:06.000 Even by your own logic.

02:14:08.000 No one's near you.

02:14:09.000 You're on a podium.

02:14:10.000 So they canceled the second debate between Trump and Biden, and then they both had live events the night of the debate.

02:14:17.000 Like, they just both had an event.

02:14:19.000 He did one with, Trump did one with NBC, and Biden did one with CNN. Anyway, you guys, so fucking, like, get on a plane and fucking debate each other.

02:14:29.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:14:29.000 Well, I think the first one was so aggressive.

02:14:32.000 Like, what Trump did was so disruptive and aggressive that it was a bad strategy.

02:14:37.000 Yes.

02:14:38.000 And I think the second one was brilliant.

02:14:40.000 If he did in the first one what he did in the second one, I think he would have much more momentum coming into the election.

02:14:46.000 Or maybe if he had had the middle one, so there were three debates, you know?

02:14:50.000 Like, if that one hadn't been canceled, he would have had two more opportunities.

02:14:53.000 What was the third one?

02:14:54.000 Well, the third one was the one you're talking about.

02:14:55.000 The second one.

02:14:56.000 The second one.

02:14:56.000 Let's just talk about the actual debates.

02:14:58.000 No, but I'm just saying, like, maybe if he had had another debate where he could have handled it the way he did in that second one also, maybe if he had two performances like that, it would have helped him a little bit more.

02:15:06.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:15:08.000 Yeah.

02:15:08.000 If he just did that in the first without the bad one, without the interruptee one, That was just so hard to listen to.

02:15:14.000 I was like, God damn.

02:15:17.000 Because, you know, that was when there was talk about, like, Trump was tweeting that he wanted to come on here and have me and him and Biden talk for four hours.

02:15:25.000 And I was like, what would I do if he was doing that?

02:15:27.000 I would have to stop him.

02:15:29.000 I would have to say, hey man, sir, I understand you're the president, Mr. Trump.

02:15:34.000 You can't do that.

02:15:35.000 Because you've got to let the guy talk, and then don't say anything, and then you talk.

02:15:39.000 Like, this is the only way this is going to work.

02:15:41.000 Yeah, but I think you would have handled it like that in a way better way than Chris Wallace.

02:15:45.000 He was doing the best he could.

02:15:47.000 And he's also, he's got 90 minutes, which is preposterous, and they have two minutes to answer questions, which is ridiculous.

02:15:52.000 These are really important questions.

02:15:53.000 Like, why do you have two minutes?

02:15:54.000 Like, what if after two minutes, you're like, I think I've got a better way to say that.

02:15:57.000 No, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:15:59.000 Stop.

02:15:59.000 Two minutes are over.

02:16:00.000 Sir, your time is up?

02:16:01.000 Your time is up?

02:16:02.000 Like, what kind of—why is there a race?

02:16:04.000 It's insane.

02:16:05.000 It makes no sense at all.

02:16:06.000 And that's one of my favorite things about this show is that you've almost proven—I think it's part of the reason why so many of those establishment types, like, resent you a lot for it—is that you've proven that their whole model is stupid.

02:16:18.000 Like, this model is stupid.

02:16:20.000 You have a show where people need time to unpack things and have a long conversation.

02:16:25.000 If you're talking about really serious, complex issues, the idea that we're debating who gets to have the nuclear football, but we've got to do it in this limited time, and you'll have 30 seconds each.

02:16:35.000 It's also important that they don't know what they're going to talk about.

02:16:38.000 That's important, too.

02:16:39.000 Yeah.

02:16:40.000 One of the important things about podcasts is no one ever sits down with like, okay, we're going to hit this, and then we're going to hit that.

02:16:45.000 Alex Jones tried to.

02:16:47.000 The producer, well, he had things that he wanted to talk about that were important, that he felt were important.

02:16:55.000 But that's not what you're saying.

02:17:17.000 And no pressure whatsoever on figuring out how to answer a sentence or a subject rather coherently.

02:17:25.000 You're going to get a better understanding of who that person is.

02:17:28.000 Now with Trump, everybody thinks they already have a good understanding of who he is because he goes in these long, rambling, self-serving diatribes about subjects.

02:17:39.000 But just to see that, if you get him to calm down a little and see Biden and him talking through things, just let him talk.

02:17:47.000 Let him talk through things.

02:17:49.000 Let Biden say something about Trump.

02:17:51.000 Let Trump say something about Biden.

02:17:53.000 Don't say you only have two minutes.

02:17:54.000 Don't say any of that shit.

02:17:55.000 Just let him talk.

02:17:56.000 See what happens out of that.

02:17:58.000 God, I wish that would have happened.

02:18:00.000 That would have been fascinating.

02:18:02.000 That really would have been.

02:18:03.000 And by the way, I think Trump, because Trump is kind of a master troll, I think he knew that Biden would never agree to it, and that's half the reason why he did it.

02:18:09.000 No, he would never fucking agree.

02:18:11.000 There's no way.

02:18:11.000 That would not have been good for Biden.

02:18:13.000 It would be so beneath him to come here, too.

02:18:15.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:18:16.000 But would it, though?

02:18:17.000 I mean, dude, you're fucking...

02:18:18.000 In a lot of ways.

02:18:18.000 Well, yeah, I guess.

02:18:19.000 I think the corporate press would have lost their shit if they...

02:18:22.000 Because if they lose that to you, then they've just lost everything.

02:18:25.000 Would you have Trump on...

02:18:28.000 Ex-President Trump?

02:18:29.000 It doesn't seem like a smart move at this point.

02:18:31.000 But I think all of those...

02:18:33.000 Like in a year?

02:18:35.000 I don't know.

02:18:35.000 We're talking a year.

02:18:37.000 That'd be great, dude.

02:18:38.000 He's going to run again.

02:18:40.000 Maybe.

02:18:40.000 If they boot him out of office in 2024, he's going to start running in January.

02:18:44.000 He might.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, he's going to run for four years.

02:18:46.000 He's going to talk shit for four years.

02:18:48.000 I have a feeling Trump's, they're going to really come after him in his post-presidency.

02:18:52.000 I think he's going to get kicked off Twitter.

02:18:54.000 I think he's going to get completely like the Alex Jones treatment on social media.

02:18:58.000 And I think that there's going to be, they're legally going to try to come after him.

02:19:03.000 I just think there's no way.

02:19:04.000 I think the legal thing, you're right.

02:19:05.000 They can't just let him be Trump, which would be amazing, but they can't just let him be Trump.

02:19:10.000 He could set up his own Oval Office and say, I am the real president.

02:19:15.000 I'm the real president.

02:19:17.000 This is now the Oval Office and I'm giving the military commands from here.

02:19:22.000 They stole it from me.

02:19:23.000 Didn't he have some wacky painting with him sitting there and all the other presidents behind him with their hands on his shoulder or something?

02:19:29.000 Oh, I don't know.

02:19:30.000 Am I remembering this correctly?

02:19:31.000 I don't know this.

02:19:32.000 I think he had something in the Oval Office that was, like, really preposterous, where people saw it and were like, what in the fuck are you doing?

02:19:40.000 There it is, right there.

02:19:40.000 I believe it.

02:19:42.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:19:44.000 I mean, they're all sitting around.

02:19:45.000 Ronald Reagan's at the table.

02:19:47.000 Nixon's there.

02:19:48.000 Lincoln.

02:19:49.000 Nixon, yeah.

02:19:50.000 He's next to Eisenhower.

02:19:52.000 Is he the only one to tie?

02:19:53.000 No, Eisenhower's a tie as well.

02:19:55.000 No, Eisenhower's in the yellow.

02:19:56.000 Roosevelt has a tie.

02:19:57.000 Yeah, Eisenhower's in the yellow.

02:19:59.000 Eisenhower's relaxed.

02:20:00.000 He's retired.

02:20:01.000 So's Reagan.

02:20:02.000 And there's GW in there.

02:20:04.000 Is that the painting that he has on his wall?

02:20:06.000 Trump Hanks fantasy painting.

02:20:08.000 Yeah.

02:20:10.000 With other GOP presidents at the White House.

02:20:12.000 Look at that.

02:20:13.000 So he's got this president of them all yuck, yuck, yucking away.

02:20:17.000 We're all having a great old time with you.

02:20:19.000 Lincoln's there.

02:20:19.000 Oh, wow.

02:20:20.000 Oh, how weird is that?

02:20:22.000 Imagine they're all looking at Trump when Lincoln's alive.

02:20:25.000 You'd be like, hey, man, what was it like in 1776?

02:20:29.000 You wouldn't be talking to Trump.

02:20:33.000 That's hilarious.

02:20:34.000 Him with his red tie.

02:20:36.000 They would all be staring at Lincoln.

02:20:38.000 Going, Jesus.

02:20:40.000 How'd you get here?

02:20:41.000 What's going on, man?

02:20:42.000 Probably.

02:20:44.000 You'd be like, holy shit, Eisenhower's alive?

02:20:46.000 Holy shit!

02:20:47.000 Lincoln!

02:20:48.000 Holy shit!

02:20:49.000 Yeah, you just pull Lincoln and Eisenhower aside.

02:20:51.000 Eisenhower's speech about the military-industrial complex when he's leaving office is to this day one of the most chilling things I've ever seen.

02:20:58.000 It's right up there with Oppenheimer talking about quoting the Bhagavad Gita after he detonated the bomb.

02:21:04.000 Yeah.

02:21:04.000 It's like, whoa.

02:21:06.000 Yeah, what is this thing like?

02:21:07.000 I am the maker of death or something like that?

02:21:09.000 Well, he quotes Shiva.

02:21:11.000 I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

02:21:14.000 Yeah.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, that's creepy.

02:21:17.000 But Eisenhower's thing, I think, I could be wrong about this, but I believe that...

02:21:22.000 Trump, in the clip we played earlier, is the second president to ever use the term military-industrial complex.

02:21:29.000 I could be wrong about that, but I've never heard another president say the term military-industrial complex other than Eisenhower and his farewell address and Trump.

02:21:29.000 I don't know.

02:21:38.000 And it was particularly crazy coming from Eisenhower, who's the fucking general.

02:21:46.000 He's the guy who led the victory in World War II, which leads to this creation of really what we know as the military-industrial complex.

02:21:56.000 And even as he's going, he's like, listen, let me tell you something.

02:22:00.000 We've created something here that we've got to really worry about because we're not America anymore the way we've been.

02:22:07.000 Before this.

02:22:07.000 Now we have a whole industry that's pushing toward war.

02:22:12.000 And we gotta guard against this power.

02:22:14.000 And he specifically, he says, sought or unsought.

02:22:17.000 Which is a really interesting way to put it.

02:22:18.000 It's like, even if they're not trying to, there's kind of these natural forces of like, you're a weapons company, so what do you think?

02:22:25.000 You think we should have a bigger military budget or a smaller one?

02:22:28.000 Probably a bigger one, right?

02:22:29.000 And then it's like, so all of these forces.

02:22:31.000 And then the next president, after Eisenhower, is JFK. Some shit went down there, too.

02:22:41.000 Wrapped it up real quick.

02:22:42.000 Yeah.

02:22:43.000 So there's a lot of really kind of interesting history there, but let's just say we didn't listen to Eisenhower and we did not guard against power sought by the military-industrial complex.

02:22:55.000 Yeah.

02:22:57.000 It's such an interesting choice, too, because I guess he had the ability to say whatever he wanted in the nation's address, being the president.

02:23:07.000 It seems pretty clear that he didn't have to run that by anyone.

02:23:12.000 And you wonder, what do they have to run by now?

02:23:15.000 When you have the discussion where people say, oh, they always lie when they want to get into office, and then they get into office, they don't do shit.

02:23:22.000 They don't do any of the things they said they were going to do.

02:23:24.000 What happens when you get in there?

02:23:26.000 Is it like the Bill Hicks joke, where they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination, and then you go, well, what's my agenda?

02:23:35.000 Is that it, or do they show you a real model of the world that you're not privy to if you're not the president?

02:23:43.000 Do they sit you down and talk about all the threats and the problems and how it all really works and ties together?

02:23:47.000 Like, what is it?

02:23:48.000 And it's, you know, I don't know, but it's also possible that it's kind of somewhere in between, where there's, maybe they're not, you know, showing you the Kennedy assassination film, like the great Bill Hicks joke, but, you know, look, I know that Donald Trump got in there and he ran on,

02:24:06.000 we're ending all of these wars, and that's it.

02:24:09.000 Now, from a Trumpian perspective, it wasn't like a Ron Paul, like, these wars kill all these innocent people.

02:24:15.000 It was like a Trump, like, this is bad business.

02:24:18.000 We're wasting money on these wars, so we're ending them.

02:24:20.000 I'm too smart for them.

02:24:22.000 Trump is blasting the military industrial complex, but he's one of its biggest boosters.

02:24:27.000 Well, that's true, too.

02:24:29.000 That's for sure legit.

02:24:30.000 Trump has made the purchase, public display, and foreign sales of military hardware a major priority of his administration.

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 I found two articles that were talking about, like, he says the stuff about the military-industrial complex, however, his actions say it differently.

02:24:45.000 Like, he gave them more money than anybody ever gave them.

02:24:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:24:47.000 No, there were increased defense budgets under Donald Trump, for sure.

02:24:51.000 Right, but they're also – do you think he really actually is trying to get out of these countries, though?

02:24:56.000 I mean, you could do both things, right?

02:24:58.000 You can increase the defense budget.

02:25:10.000 I think that at least from everything I've read that he really is trying to get out of Afghanistan and that he really is trying to work out a deal to end that war.

02:25:19.000 Here it says, the idea that Trump is taking on the defense industrial base is pure fantasy.

02:25:23.000 A national security action, a liberty advocacy group composed a former Obama administration staffer said on Tuesday.

02:25:32.000 All right, we're good, Jamie.

02:25:33.000 You can shut that off.

02:25:36.000 But look, I mean, there is, I will say, though, to Trump's credit, We're good to go.

02:26:03.000 But, you know, like, when he first came in and he was running on, like, ending all of these wars, the guy, the military guy who he made his national security advisor was Flynn.

02:26:14.000 Like, that was his guy who was going to come in and lead us out of these wars.

02:26:17.000 And what happened?

02:26:18.000 Immediately the NSA and the FBI targeted Flynn, got dirt on him, got him removed, and then they get somebody else in there.

02:26:25.000 So it might be also that they don't necessarily have to, like...

02:26:29.000 Threaten your family or show you the angle of JFK, but they could just be like, well, we're just going to remove all the people from your cabinet who we don't like, kind of get our people in there and keep the machine rolling.

02:26:39.000 That Flynn shit is spooky because you think that a guy gets to that level of the military, he's immune to that.

02:26:45.000 Not him.

02:26:45.000 No.

02:26:46.000 And he is, from what I've heard, like a little bit of a crazy guy.

02:26:50.000 But he was not working with the Russians.

02:26:52.000 That was just complete bullshit.

02:26:54.000 And they had nothing.

02:26:56.000 The FBI completely set him up.

02:26:58.000 It's just so amazing that they can do that.

02:27:00.000 What's up, Jamie?

02:27:00.000 I was just like, remember when he wanted to run that parade?

02:27:04.000 Where he did actually do it.

02:27:05.000 Where he brought in all the tanks and missiles and troops and fucking showed off everything we have.

02:27:10.000 Oh yeah.

02:27:11.000 Yeah, that was a big thing he wanted.

02:27:13.000 No, Trump was not.

02:27:14.000 Look at my cock! 1.00

02:27:15.000 Yeah, basically.

02:27:16.000 Look at my giant metal cock out there dragging it down the street. 0.96

02:27:21.000 That's basically what it all came down to.

02:27:24.000 Fuck, Dave.

02:27:24.000 It's so depressing.

02:27:26.000 What can you do?

02:27:27.000 What do you do to stay happy?

02:27:29.000 What do you do?

02:27:30.000 What do I do?

02:27:30.000 Yeah, what do you do to avoid just getting sucked into this constant state of existential woe?

02:27:38.000 I got a perfect little two-year-old, and, you know, I love my wife.

02:27:44.000 But really, that's the best you can do, is try to, like...

02:27:49.000 Get good people around you in your life.

02:27:50.000 Be good to them.

02:27:52.000 Create your own little world as much as you can.

02:27:55.000 And then I think that you, like, the best thing is to try to keep perspective that even with all the fucked up shit in the world, there's always been a ton of fucked up shit in the world.

02:28:06.000 And people have always, people have persevered through far worse than what we're going through right now.

02:28:12.000 I think that's kind of the best, you know, take to have.

02:28:15.000 That's what keeps me sane.

02:28:17.000 Yeah.

02:28:18.000 Right.

02:28:18.000 Make your little circle happy.

02:28:21.000 Who are you around, the people you're around, be kind, be friendly, have a good time, be nice to each other, enjoy your time together, enjoy each other's company.

02:28:30.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 Just, you know, when you think about what you can do in terms of impacting the world or impacting the country, It's real, it's a cliche to say start with the people that are around you.

02:28:46.000 It really is cliche, but it is kind of true.

02:28:48.000 Because you do have a ripple effect on the way you treat people and the friendships you have and how it affects other people and the more good people that you're around, the more they affect other people.

02:29:00.000 There's really some kind of a ripple effect.

02:29:02.000 If we can get more people to adopt it, that's where mushroom legalization comes in.

02:29:08.000 Yeah, well, they had some good victories for mushroom.

02:29:13.000 Oregon's like, fuck it, do coke.

02:29:15.000 Oregon's like, look, if you're going to light everything on fire all the time, how about do mushrooms?

02:29:19.000 Do whatever the fuck you want.

02:29:20.000 Just stop lighting things on fire.

02:29:22.000 Yeah, but you know what?

02:29:23.000 By the way, it's great that they did that, and it's the smartest thing, too.

02:29:26.000 The whole idea of drugs being illegal, the war on drugs, is so misguided and just awful and just ruins people's lives.

02:29:36.000 Creates black markets, leads to violent crime, destroys neighborhoods. 0.99

02:29:41.000 It's at least, I'd say, probably 60% of the entire immigration problem is just the war on drugs. 0.92

02:29:48.000 You know, they constantly, they'll be like, well, there's these gang members who are smuggling drugs over the borders.

02:29:53.000 And it's like, well, yeah, why?

02:29:54.000 Because there's a demand for them, and it's a black market, and it's illegal.

02:29:57.000 So this is where you get it from.

02:29:58.000 And yeah, of course, there's crime associated with that, too.

02:30:01.000 I mean, it's like, so, it is, and mushrooms is just, the idea that it's illegal is insane.

02:30:06.000 I mean, it's like, first off, you can't get addicted.

02:30:09.000 Physically, I don't think you could get addicted.

02:30:10.000 Your body will reject it after a certain point of time.

02:30:13.000 It's never made anyone do anything fucking...

02:30:16.000 Well, people...

02:30:17.000 Okay, maybe not.

02:30:17.000 That's an overstatement.

02:30:19.000 Especially broken people.

02:30:20.000 It's not a huge problem that people are taking mushrooms and committing violent crimes.

02:30:24.000 There's just really no justification for it.

02:30:26.000 Especially when there's alcohol all over the place.

02:30:28.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77

02:30:29.000 Fucking liquor stores, every other corner.

02:30:31.000 It's too easy to get some drugs and impossible to get others.

02:30:34.000 And the fact that the ones that are super beneficial...

02:30:38.000 Like, there's a study that I posted the other day on my Instagram...

02:30:41.000 That they show that psilocybin therapy is four times more effective for treating depression than antidepressants that we're currently using.

02:30:49.000 Yeah.

02:30:49.000 I mean, the war on drugs, somebody wrote an article that the war on drugs was, that drugs were a big winner in 2020 in the war on drugs.

02:30:58.000 Yeah.

02:30:59.000 Look at the elections.

02:31:01.000 Drugs won in a lot of places, like legalized marijuana in New Jersey, Montana, Portland says fuck it, let's go with everything. 0.94

02:31:09.000 I think...

02:31:10.000 Drugs have fought a real guerrilla strategy in the war on drugs.

02:31:14.000 It's been 40 years of the cops just kicking their fucking ass, but drugs never gave up.

02:31:19.000 They always hung in there, they disappear, and then they come back strong.

02:31:22.000 What drugs have gone down in usage?

02:31:28.000 What?

02:31:28.000 During the war on drugs, what drugs have people, maybe heroin, not even heroin, because it's pills, but shooting up, maybe?

02:31:36.000 Yeah.

02:31:37.000 I mean, I don't even know.

02:31:40.000 There's some things that have gone away that were really popular in past times.

02:31:42.000 Yeah, but I think it's unrelated to the legality of it.

02:31:45.000 I think these things kind of ebb and flow, right?

02:31:47.000 Like there was like crack cocaine came and kind of left and then heroin like got big again, but they were all illegal the whole time.

02:31:54.000 It's not like they were gone because they're illegal.

02:31:56.000 People who are doing heroin, people who are throwing their lives away with really hard drugs are not affected by a law.

02:32:04.000 And people who would never do heroin are not going to start doing heroin because it's legal.

02:32:08.000 Do you remember Just Say No?

02:32:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:32:10.000 You're a younger man.

02:32:11.000 I was young for that, but I do remember it, yeah.

02:32:13.000 I remember, I believe I was in high school.

02:32:15.000 I remember, it was around, maybe I was early 20s, but I remember seeing that and going, what in the fuck did you just say?

02:32:22.000 Just say no?

02:32:23.000 Oh, you fixed it!

02:32:24.000 We never knew there was an option.

02:32:26.000 I didn't know.

02:32:26.000 I didn't know you could just say no.

02:32:27.000 If only someone had given me this tool.

02:32:29.000 There's certain things in the past that are just like, you look back, you go, what?

02:32:33.000 Do you remember the codes for like, what's the possibility of a terrorist attack?

02:32:38.000 We're in code orange.

02:32:40.000 I'd go, oh shit, it's code orange?

02:32:42.000 What does that mean?

02:32:43.000 And it was so much just to keep everyone in a state of fear.

02:32:46.000 Uh-oh.

02:32:47.000 Did you guys see we went from orange to red today?

02:32:49.000 Oh, shit.

02:32:49.000 We're code red.

02:32:50.000 What do they know that we don't know?

02:32:51.000 That's what California's in now for the COVID stuff.

02:32:54.000 Like, they're in purple.

02:32:56.000 Purple's your dick. 0.90

02:32:57.000 Your blue balls have turned your dick gangrene. 0.76

02:33:01.000 It won't let you leave the house for eight months.

02:33:03.000 But it's always like, when you've got like a decade to look back at the shit, that's when you always see how full of shit the government was.

02:33:11.000 Like, oh, they were so full of shit about that.

02:33:14.000 That's when you look back and you see Dick Cheney going, we're going to find those weapons of mass destruction.

02:33:18.000 They're here somewhere.

02:33:19.000 And you're like, oh, he was just lying to all of us.

02:33:21.000 This was complete bullshit.

02:33:23.000 Was it Colin Powell that said the proof might come in the form of a mushroom cloud?

02:33:28.000 I believe that was Condoleezza Rice who said that.

02:33:32.000 But Colin Powell went to the UN with drawings of Saddam Hussein's mobile WMD, like, fucking trucks or something, and he was like, this is where they go down here, and this is where they go down here.

02:33:45.000 It's just all made up nonsense, but just, like, really selling it, like, really.

02:33:49.000 I wonder what they told him.

02:33:52.000 I wonder if he believed it while he was saying it.

02:33:54.000 You know?

02:33:55.000 Because he didn't seem like the type of guy to be lying about something like that.

02:33:59.000 But then they always...

02:34:00.000 He's like the one that they kind of vindicate later.

02:34:03.000 Like, he's supposed to be the good one.

02:34:04.000 He never...

02:34:05.000 You know, behind closed doors, he really never wanted this war.

02:34:08.000 But then he went and sold it to everybody.

02:34:11.000 Wouldn't that make him even worse?

02:34:12.000 Like, I mean, look, you can resign.

02:34:15.000 Like, that is an option.

02:34:16.000 You don't have to just go like, well, I'm against this, but they want me to sell a war based on lies.

02:34:21.000 So, got to be a team player and go, you know, get the country in a war.

02:34:25.000 How about don't do that?

02:34:26.000 Do you think that he ever really did believe it, though?

02:34:29.000 Was there maybe a time where he got the evidence and he was like, oh, shit, this is real?

02:34:35.000 I don't know.

02:34:36.000 I think that he was, you know, he was a part of the first Iraq war.

02:34:42.000 And I think that there's...

02:34:43.000 My guess is that there might be part of him who really wanted to go fucking take Saddam out.

02:34:48.000 As you could imagine, if you were leading a military invasion and some of your men were killed by this guy, even though not too many were killed, but I'm sure you'd have a personal thing.

02:35:00.000 And so I think that might have been part of it.

02:35:03.000 I think they all...

02:35:03.000 You know, you can't remove it from the context that George H.W. Bush's...

02:35:07.000 You know, presidency, they fought a war in Iraq.

02:35:10.000 And then W's in there, and now all of a sudden, basically, was handed a blank check for war.

02:35:15.000 Like, well, 9-11 just happened.

02:35:17.000 What do you want?

02:35:17.000 What war do you want?

02:35:18.000 You got it.

02:35:19.000 Because whatever one you decide, but make it a good one, you know?

02:35:22.000 You remember how many people were behind it, though?

02:35:25.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:25.000 Oh, my God.

02:35:26.000 It was a blind patriotism time.

02:35:28.000 Folks who don't remember, you're too young.

02:35:31.000 In 2001, when the Iraq War hit...

02:35:35.000 Excuse me, when 9-11 hit, we were overwhelmed by American flags on cars.

02:35:42.000 It was crazy.

02:35:44.000 It was way, way different than anything I'd seen before.

02:35:48.000 You would drive to work and everyone would have an American flag on their car.

02:35:51.000 I remember looking around going, whoa, this is nuts.

02:35:55.000 But there was also this weird feeling of unity.

02:35:57.000 Like people were letting people in front of them in their lane.

02:35:59.000 There was this weird feeling of we're together.

02:36:01.000 Well, it's really interesting that you say that because you're right.

02:36:04.000 It was the most unified we've ever been.

02:36:07.000 And that almost is the other part.

02:36:08.000 Unity isn't necessarily good.

02:36:10.000 Like unity can go in some bad places too.

02:36:12.000 So, you know, with Joe Biden's call for unity now, well, we had real unity.

02:36:17.000 I mean, as much as you could have.

02:36:20.000 And what we did was basically get behind George W. Bush as he ruined the 21st century.

02:36:27.000 We thought we were getting behind George W. Bush because we thought there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and he was going to go in there and take them out.

02:36:36.000 Yeah, but it's much easier when everybody's unified and behind a leader, it's much easier to be persuaded that he's doing this great thing for all of us.

02:36:44.000 And yeah, I think people were behind him for somewhat noble reasons.

02:36:47.000 Like, yeah, we're going to go get the guys who got us.

02:36:51.000 And by the end of George Bush's...

02:36:54.000 Nowadays, looking back at George Bush, it's hard for people who were young then or weren't alive then to even imagine that he was a really popular president.

02:37:02.000 Because by the end, he had given us two disastrous wars and the worst economy and Katrina.

02:37:06.000 Well, he was really popular right after 9-11.

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:09.000 He gave a great speech.

02:37:11.000 In New York.

02:37:12.000 I loved him then.

02:37:13.000 Yeah, I was in.

02:37:14.000 Yeah, we were all in.

02:37:15.000 Do you remember when he had that Mission Accomplished banner over that...

02:37:19.000 Yeah.

02:37:19.000 And everybody was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

02:37:21.000 We're still there.

02:37:23.000 And we're still there.

02:37:24.000 Yeah.

02:37:24.000 We're still there now.

02:37:25.000 Mission accomplished.

02:37:26.000 Yeah.

02:37:26.000 What's the mission?

02:37:27.000 Well, I suppose he could say we took out Saddam Hussein.

02:37:30.000 Yeah.

02:37:31.000 I mean, if that was the mission, like, okay.

02:37:33.000 I was watching Saddam Hussein's trial yesterday.

02:37:35.000 Oh, yeah?

02:37:36.000 I watched it on YouTube.

02:37:37.000 It popped up.

02:37:38.000 And I said, let me watch this.

02:37:39.000 It was wild.

02:37:40.000 He's screaming at the judge?

02:37:41.000 He's screaming at the judge.

02:37:42.000 One of his guys who works for him is in his underwear.

02:37:44.000 It was so strange.

02:37:47.000 And he's screaming at the judge that he wouldn't let them have a prayer break.

02:37:53.000 Do you ever see that part where he's like, we should have a prayer break now?

02:37:56.000 And he's like, this is a court of law.

02:37:57.000 And he's like...

02:37:58.000 This is greater than Allah!

02:37:59.000 And, like, yelling at it.

02:38:00.000 But it's really weird.

02:38:01.000 It's crazy to imagine.

02:38:02.000 Wasn't he, like, secular, though?

02:38:03.000 His administration was...

02:38:05.000 Well, relatively for that part of the world.

02:38:08.000 But he was still, you know, like, I mean, they're all Muslims, you know.

02:38:13.000 But it was really crazy to think this dictator who ruled over this country with an iron fist is now sitting there with a judge, you know, like, telling him what to do.

02:38:21.000 And it's just a very weird fucking dynamic.

02:38:24.000 Yeah.

02:38:24.000 But that war really fucking destroyed the fucking region, man.

02:38:28.000 Yeah.

02:38:29.000 It was such a bad idea to fucking overthrow Saddam Hussein.

02:38:31.000 It was like the worst foreign policy decision.

02:38:34.000 Forget even just like the like, oh, this is, you know, evil.

02:38:37.000 We're going to kill all these innocent people. 1.00

02:38:38.000 Just the like, you are going to destroy this region and just throw it into chaos.

02:38:43.000 And isn't it weird that the idea of overthrowing an evil dictator can be a bad idea?

02:38:48.000 Yeah.

02:38:49.000 It's weird, right?

02:38:50.000 Well, you say like, well, you know...

02:38:58.000 Not at all.

02:39:07.000 Supporting a dictator sometimes is like the best option in terms of like the loss of overall life.

02:39:14.000 That's the best.

02:39:15.000 Absolutely.

02:39:16.000 Which is a really weird decision.

02:39:17.000 Like you have to support someone who you know is terrorizing their people because if you don't, then you get what's in Libya. 0.88

02:39:25.000 Yeah.

02:39:25.000 Which is like a failed state.

02:39:27.000 Yeah.

02:39:27.000 It's a crazy place.

02:39:28.000 So much worse for regular people than it was under Gaddafi.

02:39:31.000 Do you remember the video of them capturing Gaddafi when the guy shoves a knife up his ass?

02:39:37.000 Yep.

02:39:38.000 And he's just standing there.

02:39:39.000 He's in such shock.

02:39:40.000 Dragging him, beating him, sodomizing him.

02:39:43.000 He realized that they had him, and he realized that they had him, and he's surrounded by all these people, and this just look, just full shock.

02:39:51.000 The guy shoves a knife up his ass.

02:39:54.000 Like, you see the guy do it, and he's standing there like, oh, this knife goes up his ass.

02:39:58.000 Like, what?

02:40:00.000 Imagine this country that you've ruled over for decades and then fucking just all of a sudden they've got you.

02:40:06.000 He ruled over when I was a kid.

02:40:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:40:08.000 He was the boogeyman for a while.

02:40:10.000 They put him in place, right?

02:40:11.000 The United States put him in place?

02:40:14.000 I feel like there was something, either he or we supported him once he got into place.

02:40:20.000 We supported him at one period.

02:40:23.000 In fact, we were working with him after 9-11.

02:40:26.000 He was really cooperating with the George W. Bush administration.

02:40:30.000 He was ratting out terrorists, giving us the fucking terrorists.

02:40:33.000 He turned over all his chemical weapons and stuff.

02:40:35.000 He wanted to play ball.

02:40:36.000 He saw what the Bush administration was doing and he was like, okay, I'm getting on Team America here.

02:40:41.000 And that didn't do any good for him.

02:40:43.000 One of my favorite Hillary Clinton videos was her laughing after he was dead.

02:40:47.000 Yeah.

02:40:48.000 Her going, we came, we saw, he died.

02:40:52.000 Yeah, it's like, hey, Hillary, like one of her handlers has to be like, hey, we're reminding you, you're trying to convince these people you're human.

02:40:57.000 Yeah, it is.

02:40:58.000 This guy's, is it a stick?

02:40:59.000 I don't think so.

02:41:01.000 Is it a knife?

02:41:02.000 I think so.

02:41:02.000 Whatever, he's shoving something up is...

02:41:04.000 It's a frame-by-frame breakdown.

02:41:06.000 Ass.

02:41:07.000 Oof.

02:41:07.000 And that is a knife.

02:41:08.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:41:09.000 Oof.

02:41:10.000 That's all that was.

02:41:11.000 Let me do that again.

02:41:11.000 Right up his ass.

02:41:13.000 Like, dude, I'm gonna be the guy.

02:41:15.000 You know how they have that flag planted in Iwo Jima and all the troops and they're standing there holding up that flag?

02:41:21.000 I wonder where that guy lives.

02:41:25.000 They got a bronze statue of him with the knife going right up Saddam Hussein's asshole.

02:41:31.000 Yeah, Gaddafi's. 0.80

02:41:32.000 Oh, excuse me, Gaddafi.

02:41:34.000 Gaddafi's asshole.

02:41:34.000 Yeah, I don't think so, because the country's completely been destroyed since then.

02:41:37.000 So if they did have that statue, it's probably fallen down and been melted.

02:41:41.000 Yeah, turned into bullets.

02:41:43.000 Yeah, turned into bullets helped the slave trade there in some way.

02:41:47.000 Have you seen the slave trade on YouTube where you could watch the videos?

02:41:50.000 From Libya, yeah.

02:41:51.000 Insane.

02:41:52.000 Insane.

02:41:53.000 Like slave auctions.

02:41:54.000 And this was, by the way, this whole thing we're talking about, overthrowing Gaddafi, destroying the country, leading to the open-air slave trade markets, this was all done under Obama's administration, with Hillary Clinton pushing for it, with Joe Biden as the vice president.

02:42:08.000 So, again, just the idea that, like, oh, yay, Trump's gone and we've returned to normal.

02:42:13.000 All right.

02:42:14.000 But if normal is, you know, getting us into wars in Libya, in Syria, in Yemen, continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there's some pretty negative aspects to normal.

02:42:26.000 So let's play not even devil's advocate, but let's imagine.

02:42:30.000 What do you do if you don't help them overthrow Libya?

02:42:33.000 If you do decide this guy's an evil dictator and has been for decades?

02:42:38.000 You want to get them out, but what do you do?

02:42:40.000 Do you fund the people that are trying to get them out?

02:42:42.000 If that doesn't work, and what if it does work, and they get them out and they kill them like they did, how do you ensure that democracy gets instituted when it's never been successful anywhere else that we've overthrown?

02:42:54.000 Is there one place that we've overthrown that's like, look at them now.

02:42:57.000 They're doing great.

02:42:58.000 Germany and Japan.

02:43:00.000 That would be the examples, right?

02:43:02.000 In Germany and Japan.

02:43:03.000 However, in order to achieve that, Yeah.

02:43:15.000 Yeah.

02:43:18.000 Yeah.

02:43:19.000 Yeah.

02:43:20.000 Yeah.

02:43:25.000 That doesn't seem like it's going to be achieved in the Middle East.

02:43:27.000 I think the idea that we can do anything to ensure that there's a fair democratic process in Libya is just so beyond absurdity.

02:43:37.000 We're having trouble doing that here.

02:43:40.000 Washington, D.C. Washington has a huge crime problem.

02:43:46.000 These politicians can't even figure out crime in Washington, D.C. The idea that they're going to take on the crime problem in Libya is so beyond absurd.

02:43:55.000 I just think this country was never founded to be the policeman of the world.

02:44:00.000 We're not supposed to be an empire, even though we are.

02:44:03.000 It's empires crumble and die.

02:44:05.000 We need to entirely, particularly now when we have so many problems at home, entirely get out of the empire business.

02:44:11.000 We can try to spread good ideas, be a city on a hill, be like, hey guys, this is a better way to run society.

02:44:17.000 But the idea that we have to get into the internal politics of whether Libya has a dictator or a democracy.

02:44:25.000 Democracy is not necessarily any better of a situation.

02:44:28.000 If 60% of the people there want to kill the other 40%, Democracy ain't going to work out very well.

02:44:34.000 Give everybody a vote.

02:44:36.000 Who are they going to vote for?

02:44:37.000 So what do you do?

02:44:38.000 You just hope they figure it out on their own?

02:44:40.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:44:42.000 But I mean, look, it's like that's just the way the world works.

02:44:46.000 I don't think we have a right to impose our will on other people, and I don't think it's effective to impose our will on other people.

02:44:54.000 And look at the results.

02:44:55.000 We're just wasted trillions of dollars.

02:44:57.000 We don't have...

02:44:58.000 For all of these post-9-11 wars, we don't have one victory to show.

02:45:02.000 Even anything that's even remotely close to a victory.

02:45:05.000 Every one of the countries we've been in is worse off now than it was before we got into them.

02:45:10.000 Afghanistan's worse. 1.00

02:45:10.000 Iraq's worse. 1.00

02:45:12.000 Libya's worse. 1.00

02:45:12.000 Syria's worse. 1.00

02:45:13.000 Yemen is way, way worse. 1.00

02:45:15.000 So it's just...

02:45:16.000 Outside of Libya and Yemen, is it possible to say that the rest of the world is better off the way Iraq is and the way Afghanistan is today? 0.99

02:45:28.000 That they're not overrun.

02:45:29.000 Iran is better off, for sure. 1.00

02:45:31.000 Iran is better off. 0.99

02:45:32.000 They've taken over complete influence of that region.

02:45:35.000 So the enemies of our enemies are our enemies.

02:45:37.000 And now they're our enemies again.

02:45:39.000 Now that's the problem.

02:45:40.000 Basically that's the problem that since the end of the Bush administration, all through the Obama administration and into Trump, Is that now their big problem is, you know, Iran just has all this influence in the region. 0.61

02:45:51.000 What are we going to do about that?

02:45:52.000 It's like, well, maybe if you didn't fucking fight a war on behalf of Iran, then they wouldn't have so much influence. 0.58

02:45:58.000 So there are winners, like, to all of this stuff.

02:46:01.000 Honestly, you know who the big winner is?

02:46:03.000 The biggest winner of all of this?

02:46:04.000 As sad as this is, Osama bin Laden. 0.61

02:46:06.000 He got exactly what he wanted.

02:46:08.000 He drew America into these fucking conflicts.

02:46:11.000 This was literally his plan.

02:46:12.000 We could never destroy America, but we could lure America into the Middle East and make themselves, spend themselves into debt, you know, like unravel their whole, extend themselves way too far militarily. 0.89

02:46:25.000 This is how you get empires to collapse.

02:46:27.000 This was his plan.

02:46:28.000 Well, that was how they got rid of the Soviet Union, right? 0.97

02:46:29.000 Yeah, and our CIA taught them how to do it.

02:46:32.000 Yeah, when he was with the Mujahideen.

02:46:36.000 Yeah, when the Soviet Union was occupying Afghanistan and they couldn't figure it out.

02:46:40.000 And they were like, we got this.

02:46:42.000 We'll figure it out and do it right.

02:46:44.000 It's just no one ever gets it right after you get rid of a dictator.

02:46:52.000 We don't have any examples other than Hitler, right? 0.94

02:46:55.000 Yeah.

02:46:55.000 Yeah, well, it's, I mean, I'm sure there are other examples of getting rid of a dictator, but usually it has to come from the people, kind of like, you know, like realizing they want something better.

02:47:06.000 But of us getting rid of someone, is there any time that the United States overthrew a dictator and then everything got better?

02:47:14.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess Japan, if you consider the emperor or whatever to be a dictator.

02:47:18.000 But didn't he just, he bowed down, right?

02:47:19.000 Didn't he just surrender?

02:47:20.000 Yeah, ultimately.

02:47:21.000 Was he still in charge?

02:47:22.000 No.

02:47:23.000 And I don't know that he ever was really in charge.

02:47:25.000 It's a different culture, though.

02:47:26.000 Yeah, it's a very different culture.

02:47:28.000 It's a different circumstance.

02:47:29.000 And also, but look, like the thing you were saying, the problem with overthrowing a dictator is that, and it's something that people should consider in a lot of these situations, that things can be worse.

02:47:38.000 You know, like, I mean, maybe sometimes it couldn't be much worse.

02:47:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:42.000 Yeah.

02:47:42.000 Okay, you're not going to get much worse than Hitler or Stalin.

02:47:45.000 I mean, I guess, but it's hard to imagine.

02:47:47.000 But they would say, like, we went to war in World War I with the, you know, the precursor to Nazi Germany.

02:47:54.000 And it's not to say that there weren't any problems in, like, the Prussian Empire or in the German monarchs or anything like that.

02:48:00.000 But you could go, well, look, they're a bad guy.

02:48:02.000 We're going to get rid of them.

02:48:03.000 It's like, okay, well, look at what you have now.

02:48:05.000 It's really amazing that we've only dropped two nuclear bombs.

02:48:09.000 The two atomic bombs have gone off.

02:48:11.000 You want to say that?

02:48:11.000 Yeah.

02:48:12.000 It's kind of amazing that no other country's ever done that.

02:48:16.000 Well, it's also because then the Soviets figured out the nuclear bomb.

02:48:20.000 And then ever since there was more than one country, the only time nukes have ever been dropped is when only one country had nukes.

02:48:26.000 And so there is something there about the fact that people are scared to death Of someone else also using nukes.

02:48:33.000 And we've also never been to direct war with a nuclear armed power.

02:48:37.000 We don't fuck with people with nukes.

02:48:40.000 Mutually assured destruction is real.

02:48:42.000 It really does make people act in a certain way.

02:48:45.000 Which is really, you know, in some ways counterintuitive.

02:48:48.000 Because you'd think, oh, there's more nukes in the world.

02:48:50.000 There's going to be more nuclear attacks in the world.

02:48:52.000 But actually, it turns out that the elites of this world have a lot more in common with each other than they do with me or you.

02:49:00.000 And so they kind of all have this gentleman's agreement where it's like, look, we'll have our soldiers go out and kill each other.

02:49:07.000 But let's not do anything that, like...

02:49:09.000 This is like even in the Cold War.

02:49:11.000 They'd be like, we'll fight it out in Vietnam. 0.96

02:49:13.000 But, like, no one's going to Russia.

02:49:15.000 No one's coming to America. 0.97

02:49:16.000 We're not going to actually, you know, do something where we could get fucked over.

02:49:20.000 What I was getting to is I wonder if that's always going to be the case.

02:49:23.000 Because here we are, you know, obviously 1947, that when they dropped the bombs.

02:49:30.000 45, I believe.

02:49:32.000 So, it's quite a while ago.

02:49:34.000 Yeah.

02:49:35.000 But not in terms of the age of the earth.

02:49:38.000 Not at all.

02:49:39.000 Or in terms of history.

02:49:40.000 In historical times, if you look back on 1745 versus 1820, it's not that big of a difference.

02:49:50.000 When you go to 1545 to 1620...

02:49:55.000 In your eyes, it's like the same time.

02:49:57.000 Yeah.

02:49:58.000 That's so long ago.

02:49:58.000 No, there's World War II vets who are alive right now.

02:50:00.000 Yeah, 1445 to 1520. That ain't shit.

02:50:05.000 That's nothing.

02:50:06.000 So it could happen again.

02:50:09.000 Oh, yes.

02:50:10.000 The way we look at COVID now, the way we look at a pandemic now, having just gone through it, we could be looking at a nuclear holocaust the same way.

02:50:17.000 We could be looking at someone detonating a bomb in Chicago.

02:50:21.000 We could be looking at the possibility that we are really locked down.

02:50:26.000 Like there really are draconian measures to ensure safety and security because they have detonated a nuclear bomb in an American city.

02:50:35.000 Yeah.

02:50:35.000 Right now, that sounds like horseshit.

02:50:38.000 Yeah, but the idea of World War II or World War I would have sounded crazy to people before it happened.

02:50:44.000 And then it really all happened.

02:50:45.000 And then not only did they go to World War I, then they did it again. 0.79

02:50:48.000 20 years later, they just went, oh, we're doing it again.

02:50:51.000 Which is, for us, the year 2000, which is like yesterday.

02:50:55.000 Yes, that's right.

02:50:55.000 Yeah, so it really never stopped.

02:50:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:50:58.000 I mean, it's like even when you think about like, you know, like the beef with Iran or something like that, and they'll be like, you know, like the CIA overthrew their government in 1953, and then in 1979, they overthrew that government and they've basically hated America ever since,

02:51:14.000 you know?

02:51:14.000 And you're like, but 1953 to 1979, that's like Bill Clinton to now.

02:51:18.000 Like, I remember Bill Clinton's presidency.

02:51:20.000 I mean, like, you know, it's a while ago, but it's like, no, if someone like just some other government overthrew Bill Clinton, I'd still remember that right now.

02:51:28.000 I'd be like, yeah, these motherfuckers came in and like overthrew our government. 0.51

02:51:31.000 It's just so easy for us to get used to what we're used to.

02:51:35.000 Yeah.

02:51:35.000 Did you ever hear the Albert Einstein quote, which I might butcher, but it was something like he said, he goes, I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War III, but World War IV will certainly be fought with rocks and sticks.

02:51:48.000 Yeah.

02:51:48.000 Something like that.

02:51:49.000 I might be butchering it a little bit.

02:51:50.000 It's basically like, at this point, we're at a place where we really can't war.

02:51:55.000 It's war is endgame.

02:51:56.000 I mean, war with like Russia or China or anyone like that.

02:51:59.000 That's even like when people are like, oh, we got to get China back for what they did with this virus. 0.99

02:52:03.000 It's like, okay, but...

02:52:06.000 Our options are limited.

02:52:08.000 When you've got countries with a whole bunch of H-bombs, your options are limited as to what you can do. 1.00

02:52:14.000 Putin.

02:52:15.000 World War III with wipeout civilization.

02:52:18.000 Putin warned adding World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

02:52:22.000 Oh, he's a hack.

02:52:23.000 Did Putin just steal Einstein's quote?

02:52:25.000 I think he purposely quoted it.

02:52:27.000 That'd be kind of great if Putin was just like, I just thought of that.

02:52:30.000 Maybe he's doing that in an homage to Joe Biden.

02:52:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:36.000 Biden's been busted plagiarizing a bunch of times.

02:52:38.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:39.000 Yeah.

02:52:39.000 I think...

02:52:42.000 Our version of what's possible is based entirely on what we've experienced.

02:52:46.000 I mean, just like we never remembered those photos of those people with masks on in 1918. You know, our version of reality pre-COVID has been forever altered now that we know that COVID exists.

02:52:58.000 Yeah.

02:52:59.000 And there's so many other things that could happen to us.

02:53:01.000 This is the thing, we're so fragile.

02:53:03.000 We always hear about these comets that are whizzing by and these asteroids that get really close to Earth.

02:53:07.000 One of those motherfuckers could slam into us. 1.00

02:53:10.000 And I've had some people on that have studied their whole life versions of these scenarios where civilization has been forced to repeat itself because of the fact that we were hit and that this has probably happened multiple times over the Ascension of human civilization and that it's one of the reasons why you have these ancient structures in Egypt that are very different in the way they're constructed versus the ones from Cleopatra's era

02:53:40.000 or versus the ones from like the time where they built the Great Pyramid of Giza.

02:53:46.000 Right.

02:53:47.000 And isn't there like, because I remember reading about this like a decade ago, so I might not know that much about it, but isn't there stuff about like the water erosion on the Sphinx or something like that where they can't Yeah.

02:53:59.000 Yeah.

02:54:29.000 I think we're good to go.

02:54:42.000 This is just one era, and that there's likely multiple eras before that, and the big piece of evidence is the water erosion in the Temple of the Great Sphinx, because they know that they cut these stones out in order to create the Sphinx, but there's massive water erosion on these rocks,

02:55:00.000 and the last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 B.C., So instead of 2500 BC, now it's 9000 BC. And then they have to think, well, this is thousands of years of rainfall that caused this erosion.

02:55:16.000 So we might be talking 10,000, 11,000 BC. So they don't really know when all this happened, but they do think that it coincides with The end of the Ice Age.

02:55:29.000 At the end of the Ice Age, there's a dramatic climate change that's somewhere around 12,000 years ago, which would put it around 10,000 BC. Somewhere around 12,000 years ago, this is where Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and a bunch of others have really gotten into this Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

02:55:51.000 And that is somewhere between 12,000 and 10,000-ish years ago, and it might have been multiple occasions, we were hit.

02:55:58.000 And that this was essentially a restart of civilization in a lot of areas, and an end to the Ice Age in a lot of areas as well.

02:56:06.000 And Randall Carlson's work is fucking spectacular.

02:56:09.000 When he shows you these images that indicate massive melting of ice over a spectacular landscape in a really amazingly short period of time.

02:56:22.000 Like a couple days worth of water pouring through fucking trillions of gallons.

02:56:28.000 Permanently moving the landscape, changing it, moving stones.

02:56:32.000 And he has all these images.

02:56:33.000 And what's even crazier is he got this idea when he was looking at this one area on acid once.

02:56:40.000 And he was like, what happened here?

02:56:42.000 And he got this idea.

02:56:44.000 He's like, what is this?

02:56:45.000 And then he starts researching the end of the eye search.

02:56:48.000 And he starts researching common impacts.

02:56:50.000 And then they start finding all this corresponding evidence when they do core samples.

02:56:57.000 So he's doing core samples and they find all this iridium and all this nuclear glass, impact glass.

02:57:02.000 They find all this shit around the same area around 12,000 years ago.

02:57:05.000 And they're like, oh my god.

02:57:07.000 And so he starts, he's a brilliant guy and he could talk about this forever.

02:57:15.000 They think that it's highly likely that there was, not just here, but in many parts of the world, there was massive impacts that probably didn't kill everybody, but probably basically shut down all progress for who knows how many hundreds,

02:57:31.000 if not thousands of years.

02:57:33.000 And then what you're seeing when you're looking at 2500 BC and all their amazing structures was the knowledge they had left.

02:57:39.000 And a lot of that was lost to the Library of Alexandria getting burnt down.

02:57:43.000 So the stuff that they built later is spectacular, but they had been building pretty amazing shit for most likely thousands of years before we thought they were.

02:57:54.000 Yeah.

02:57:55.000 Maybe we're due for a reset.

02:57:57.000 Well, that's the scary thing, right?

02:57:58.000 You see some really fucking retarded shit that people are saying out there. 0.87

02:58:02.000 You're like, maybe that's the right thing.

02:58:03.000 Maybe we're due for a nice old-fashioned reset.

02:58:06.000 Well, Douglas Murray, who I had on the podcast, said that when civilizations start crumbling, that's when people get obsessed with gender.

02:58:12.000 And I said, really?

02:58:13.000 And he goes, yeah.

02:58:13.000 He goes, it's in ancient Rome and ancient Greece.

02:58:16.000 There's a lot of transvestites and a lot of people swapping genders.

02:58:20.000 It's almost like a dissolving of all classifications and barriers and all the things that we took for granted as society.

02:58:28.000 When society really starts falling apart, they start questioning every last fiber of what it means to be a person and what it means to fit into the culture.

02:58:37.000 Well, you know, I became politically radicalized from Ron Paul's campaigns.

02:58:42.000 That's really when I got interested in politics.

02:58:45.000 It was around 2007, 2008 when he was running for president.

02:58:48.000 And I just still to this day love the guy.

02:58:50.000 I think he's the greatest hero ever.

02:58:53.000 But he would always talk about how, look, we're on basically this path toward national suicide.

02:58:59.000 My words, not his.

02:59:00.000 But he'd be like, we're on this unsustainable path.

02:59:02.000 We're spending way more than we can afford to spend.

02:59:05.000 We're way too extended militarily.

02:59:07.000 And this is how nations collapse.

02:59:09.000 And this is like, it's going to happen if we keep going this way.

02:59:12.000 So I always kind of had that view in my head.

02:59:14.000 And then to see what's happened with all the cultural stuff over the last, you know, like 10 years, while all of that other stuff is going on too.

02:59:22.000 And you're like, this really feels like a collapsing empire.

02:59:26.000 It really feels like that.

02:59:28.000 Well, they taught us that in school, that all empires eventually collapse.

02:59:31.000 Whether it's ancient Greece, ancient Rome, all these empires.

02:59:34.000 British Empire.

02:59:35.000 Yeah, they all controlled everything, and they all eventually fell apart.

02:59:38.000 And it's under very similar circumstances.

02:59:40.000 Like, they're extended too far.

02:59:42.000 They spend themselves too far into debt.

02:59:44.000 They can't maintain it anymore.

02:59:45.000 The culture kind of collapses, like decadence and all this other shit.

02:59:49.000 It does seem like we have a lot of that.

02:59:52.000 Oh, yeah!

02:59:53.000 Yeah.

03:00:10.000 For the Soviet Union, that collapsing was the best thing that ever happened. 1.00

03:00:14.000 You know, that's weird.

03:00:16.000 Those arguments are always strange, right?

03:00:17.000 Because that's the same argument they used about Genghis Khan opening up the path for trade.

03:00:21.000 You know?

03:00:22.000 He killed 10% of the population.

03:00:24.000 Well, yes.

03:00:25.000 In the long run, look!

03:00:28.000 But you got a new rug.

03:00:29.000 Yeah, it's good.

03:00:30.000 You can get a nice statue.

03:00:32.000 You know who would really love this rug?

03:00:33.000 Oh, he's dead.

03:00:34.000 Whoops.

03:00:35.000 Forget it.

03:00:36.000 Does Rand Paul share most of Ron Paul's ideas?

03:00:42.000 Hmm.

03:00:42.000 I don't know.

03:00:43.000 I mean, I think probably a lot, you know?

03:00:46.000 He is his son.

03:00:47.000 I know Ron Paul made him read all the right stuff growing up, you know?

03:00:53.000 But he definitely has some areas of disagreement, and he's also just a different...

03:00:57.000 I think he's a different person and has different...

03:01:00.000 Yeah.

03:01:19.000 If, you know, it was always kind of like, Ron Paul would say things at the Republican debates, and it'd be like, hey, look, you guys might boo me out of the arena, and that's fine.

03:01:29.000 I'm going to go home to my family, and I told the truth.

03:01:31.000 It's the truth, whether you like it or not, and that's fine.

03:01:33.000 You can do that, and I'll leave.

03:01:34.000 And Rand always, I think, it bothered him a little bit more.

03:01:39.000 But, you know, Rand is, I think, to me, like, one of the best senators, and I think he's done a lot.

03:01:44.000 He did a lot to really push Donald Trump on...

03:01:54.000 I don't know how successful he's been at that.

03:01:57.000 But I don't know that he's going to inspire people in the same way his father did.

03:02:02.000 I hope he does.

03:02:04.000 Someone has to.

03:02:06.000 But isn't that what we're always looking for?

03:02:08.000 We're always looking for a hero, when really we need a decentralized government.

03:02:12.000 Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't have leaders or somebody who, like, kind of inspires you.

03:02:17.000 We're done with leaders.

03:02:18.000 We're done with leaders, Dave.

03:02:20.000 We tried it out.

03:02:21.000 It doesn't work.

03:02:22.000 Well, but I don't mean...

03:02:23.000 There's a difference between leaders and rulers, right?

03:02:25.000 Like, you don't want a ruler.

03:02:26.000 Right.

03:02:26.000 But there's people who inspire you, who you learn from, and stuff like that.

03:02:29.000 You want a leader that doesn't want to be a ruler.

03:02:32.000 Yes, exactly.

03:02:33.000 That's what Ron Paul was.

03:02:34.000 Yeah.

03:02:35.000 Isn't that the problem, though?

03:02:36.000 The problem is they get into power.

03:02:38.000 This is one we're seeing with low-level people like governors, like the worst governors.

03:02:47.000 There's all these lawsuits against Newsom, and he lost one of them recently because he's an autocrat now.

03:02:53.000 He's telling people what they can do.

03:02:54.000 He's writing legislation.

03:02:55.000 Did you see when Tucker Carlson had Governor Murphy from New Jersey No, I didn't see it.

03:03:28.000 Okay, so recently there was like a church service that you shut down and you arrested four Jewish people for being at temple.

03:03:34.000 And he goes, what right do you have to do that?

03:03:38.000 He goes, I mean, in the Bill of Rights, it's very clearly defined that the right to religious, you know, expression is, you know, so he's like, so where do you get the authority to shut down a place of worship?

03:03:50.000 And he goes, well, you know, we weren't thinking about the Bill of Rights when we did this.

03:03:55.000 We're just trying to keep people safe.

03:03:57.000 And then he goes, he was like, yeah, but where do you get the authority?

03:04:00.000 And he goes, well, that's above my pay grade.

03:04:02.000 You're the governor.

03:04:03.000 That's exactly your pay grade.

03:04:05.000 That's exactly what you're paying.

03:04:06.000 But so that's just, like, that's the mentality that swept over these people.

03:04:11.000 It's a lot, it reminds me a lot of the George W. Bush mentality of, like, you know, instituting torture and all these other things.

03:04:18.000 It's like, well, what about laws against this?

03:04:20.000 It's like, 9-11, man!

03:04:21.000 I don't know about laws and rules, but fucking we're here.

03:04:24.000 And so they feel like because this thing happened, I don't got to worry about silly little things like the fucking Bill of Rights.

03:04:32.000 Who's got time for that?

03:04:33.000 We got to be careful they don't pass an act and give it a good name.

03:04:37.000 Like the Patriot Act.

03:04:38.000 You can't be a non-Patriot piece of shit.

03:04:41.000 Pass the Patriot Act.

03:04:43.000 If they come up with something like the Safety Act, the Let's Keep Grandma Alive Act, They do this all the time.

03:04:50.000 I know, but for this one...

03:04:51.000 Did you see about the anti-lynching bill?

03:04:55.000 No.

03:04:55.000 There was like an anti-lynching bill, and they would blast people for being like, so-and-so was against the, so-and-so, like Rand Paul, he was one of the ones, he voted against the anti-lynching bill, and you're like, okay, wait, first of all...

03:05:05.000 What else was in there?

03:05:05.000 Isn't lynching already illegal?

03:05:07.000 Yeah.

03:05:07.000 Like, so explain to me what exactly was in it.

03:05:09.000 And then it turns out that Rand Paul's problem was that this, like, he goes, this, like, really broadly defines what a hate crime is.

03:05:16.000 And now it seems that, like, if someone were to, like, get in a bar fight, you could, like, give them, like, 20 years under, like, some hate crime legislation.

03:05:22.000 He's like, let's slow down on that.

03:05:24.000 That seems a little crazy.

03:05:26.000 And then they're like, you're just Thor lynching.

03:05:28.000 And it's like, wait.

03:05:29.000 This is really weird, dude.

03:05:31.000 You can't just name a Bill something and then say if you're for it.

03:05:34.000 But, you know, Patriot Act, all this shit.

03:05:36.000 It's what it all is.

03:05:37.000 They should not be able to name Bill's provocative names.

03:05:40.000 They should just have numbers.

03:05:41.000 Yes.

03:05:42.000 You know?

03:05:42.000 And that's it.

03:05:43.000 You only get a number.

03:05:44.000 You can't get a name.

03:05:45.000 Names have a lot of shit attached to them.

03:05:46.000 Yeah, absolutely.

03:05:47.000 Especially anti-lynching.

03:05:49.000 But even like, you know what they call Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act.

03:05:53.000 Everything they put is like this nice thing that nobody could possibly be against.

03:05:57.000 Why would you be against affordable care?

03:05:59.000 Yeah, what do you hate people?

03:06:00.000 Come on, bro.

03:06:01.000 Do you hate people?

03:06:02.000 That's it, though.

03:06:03.000 What's wrong with you?

03:06:04.000 Yeah, Dave.

03:06:06.000 Listen, I think we fucking covered it all.

03:06:08.000 We fixed everything.

03:06:09.000 Did we?

03:06:10.000 No.

03:06:10.000 Where was that?

03:06:11.000 Was it like around a half hour ago?

03:06:12.000 20 minutes ago.

03:06:13.000 20 minutes.

03:06:14.000 That was the exact moment.

03:06:15.000 We nailed it.

03:06:16.000 Everything went good.

03:06:17.000 We just did like three and a half hours.

03:06:18.000 How long did we do?

03:06:19.000 Well, you guys were talking before we started.

03:06:21.000 Oh, okay.

03:06:22.000 Three hours?

03:06:22.000 Three hours for the show.

03:06:23.000 Three hours, bro.

03:06:24.000 You lose all sense of time.

03:06:25.000 Yeah.

03:06:26.000 It flies by in here.

03:06:26.000 I just know when I really have to pee.

03:06:28.000 We should probably wrap it up.

03:06:31.000 Let everybody know your Twitter, Instagram, all that jazz.

03:06:35.000 My Twitter is at Comic Dave Smith.

03:06:38.000 The podcast is part of The Problem and the Legion of Skanks, of course. 0.99

03:06:41.000 And Twitter, I mean, Instagram, they just started me an account.

03:06:45.000 At The Problem...

03:06:46.000 Dave Smith on Instagram.

03:06:48.000 At The Problem?

03:06:49.000 Or The Problem Dave Smith.

03:06:51.000 You're a problem?

03:06:51.000 Is that what's going on?

03:06:52.000 I think so.

03:06:53.000 I don't run it, but they put clips out of shit.

03:06:55.000 Some of the Gas Digital people started it for me because I'm retarded and don't have an Instagram in 2020. Yeah, how did you not have an Instagram?

03:07:01.000 I don't know.

03:07:02.000 I'm just like, I can't do any more social media.

03:07:05.000 I get it.

03:07:05.000 Well, that's why you're so good at these fucking conversations, because you're actually paying attention to shit.

03:07:10.000 I spend too much time on Twitter.

03:07:11.000 There it is.

03:07:12.000 The Problem Dave Smith.

03:07:14.000 8,000 followers.

03:07:15.000 I got no followers on there.

03:07:16.000 Well, we just started it.

03:07:17.000 We'll pump you up.

03:07:18.000 There you go.

03:07:19.000 Follow me on Twitter.

03:07:20.000 I got a little bit of followers on there.

03:07:21.000 Twitter's dying.

03:07:22.000 It's dying.

03:07:22.000 The president's going to kill it on his last days in office.

03:07:25.000 That's what I heard.

03:07:26.000 That would be something.

03:07:28.000 Now it's just a war of who can kill who first.

03:07:30.000 Twitter or the president.

03:07:31.000 He just makes it Twitter illegal.

03:07:33.000 His last few days in office.

03:07:34.000 His car's more harm than good.

03:07:36.000 It's over.

03:07:37.000 But then Twitter blocks his tweet saying that it's illegal so no one knows.

03:07:41.000 It's just a war of Jack Dorsey versus Donald Trump.

03:07:43.000 They just stay open.

03:07:43.000 Fuck you.

03:07:44.000 You're on the way out.

03:07:45.000 Biden's like, I support Twitter and I'm going to wear a mask in my profile.

03:07:49.000 He's like, someone tell me what Twitter is.

03:07:51.000 My profile.

03:07:52.000 I'm hee-haw.

03:07:53.000 My pronouns.

03:07:56.000 All right, Dave.

03:07:57.000 Thanks, brother.

03:07:57.000 I appreciate it.

03:07:58.000 This was fun.

03:07:58.000 Goodbye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 11, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1562 - Dave Smith

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