The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1570 - Willie D & Mike Judge

00:00:12.000 Willie D and Mike Judge together at last.

00:00:16.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:17.000 Absolutely.

00:00:18.000 You're the first guy in the studio to bring his own headphones.

00:00:20.000 The first guy ever in 1,500 shows.

00:00:22.000 Is that right?

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Oh, man.

00:00:24.000 Well, you know that where there's a will, there's a way.

00:00:27.000 Well, they fit too.

00:00:29.000 They're unique.

00:00:31.000 And Mike, you just happen to be rolling with Willie, so you're here today as well.

00:00:34.000 Yes, thanks for having me.

00:00:35.000 My pleasure, man.

00:00:37.000 I wanted to get a hold of you and find the good spots in Austin anyway, man.

00:00:41.000 You've been here for a long time, right?

00:00:42.000 Yeah, since 94. And I'd come down here a lot before that.

00:00:46.000 I lived in Dallas.

00:00:48.000 What's going on with Beavis and Butthead?

00:00:52.000 It's coming back.

00:00:53.000 It really is?

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 In fact, that's why I'm going to have to split in a little while for some Zoom meetings.

00:00:58.000 But yeah, no, it really is.

00:01:00.000 Yeah, we're doing...

00:01:01.000 I think it's going to be good.

00:01:04.000 Dude, I was a gigantic fan of Beavis and Butthead.

00:01:07.000 Right around the time I started smoking pot was when I really got into Beavis and Butthead at the same time.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, we had a lot of stoners that liked it.

00:01:15.000 Also, a lot of people talking about it, like watching it after you come home from a bar, that sort of thing. 0.86

00:01:21.000 Yeah, it was one of the silliest shows ever. 0.99

00:01:24.000 It was ridiculous. 0.99

00:01:25.000 Now everyone will be drinking at home and getting stoned. 0.95

00:01:28.000 Well, you always get stoned at home.

00:01:30.000 You'll be stoned everywhere, right?

00:01:31.000 I've been a fan of the Ghetto Boys since the very beginning. 0.99

00:01:34.000 So when I first met you in Houston, I rarely geek out.

00:01:37.000 But when I met you, dude, when I used to deliver newspapers, I used to listen to Ghetto Boys while I was delivering newspapers. 0.74

00:01:43.000 I didn't know you delivered newspapers.

00:01:45.000 We got something in common, man.

00:01:46.000 We got something else in common.

00:01:47.000 You did that too?

00:01:47.000 Well, I delivered newspapers and I also sold door-to-door subscriptions for the Houston Chronicle.

00:01:53.000 No kidding.

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 I did the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald.

00:01:58.000 When did you guys start?

00:02:00.000 When did Ghetto Boys start?

00:02:01.000 The incarnation that everybody know right now is myself, Scarface, and Bushwick with Reddy Red.

00:02:08.000 We started in 89, but the group actually was formed in 87. Wow.

00:02:15.000 That's a...

00:02:16.000 Man, 1980. Because you gotta think, like, when was Sugar Hill Gang?

00:02:20.000 That was 81?

00:02:22.000 That's like 83. 83. Yep.

00:02:25.000 Dude, you...

00:02:26.000 No, no, no, no.

00:02:27.000 More than...

00:02:27.000 Less than...

00:02:28.000 Oh, no, no.

00:02:28.000 Sugar Hill Gang, 79. Yeah, that was...

00:02:30.000 Wow.

00:02:31.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 In high school.

00:02:32.000 Yeah, that's like 79. 79. So you were there in the earliest days of hip-hop.

00:02:39.000 That's an amazing thing to be a part of.

00:02:42.000 Like when an art form emerges.

00:02:46.000 How many people can say that they were there when an art form emerged?

00:02:52.000 Yeah, as a fan, because I was into blues, but that was all before I was born.

00:02:56.000 And then when this stuff was happening while we're alive watching it, it was just really cool to see.

00:03:01.000 I was in Jamaica Plain.

00:03:03.000 I guess I was in like 7th grade or something like that.

00:03:08.000 And Jamaica Plain was a suburb of Boston.

00:03:11.000 And I was in school and some kid had a beatbox that he brought to school.

00:03:15.000 And he was playing Sugar Hill Gang.

00:03:18.000 I'll never forget this.

00:03:20.000 I was like, wow, that's different.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 And that was the beginning.

00:03:24.000 Man, that sugar-haired game, man.

00:03:25.000 I remember I used to play football for Hester House.

00:03:30.000 It's a community center in Fifth Ward.

00:03:33.000 And I used to play for the Houston Cowboys.

00:03:38.000 Go figure.

00:03:39.000 Right?

00:03:40.000 So we played in the Astrodome.

00:03:45.000 That was a big deal, you know?

00:03:47.000 That's what Houston Oilers played at.

00:03:50.000 And so I remember being on the bus and the whole team singing that song.

00:03:55.000 They played the song and everybody was singing it word for word.

00:03:58.000 That's my greatest experience when I think about that song.

00:04:02.000 Like everybody knew every single word.

00:04:04.000 I mean, you had to know the word, every single word to the song.

00:04:08.000 Or else you wasn't cool.

00:04:09.000 It's kind of like knowing every single word to Mo City done freestyle by Zero in Houston.

00:04:17.000 If you don't know that song, you're not a Houstonian.

00:04:20.000 I'm not aware of it.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, it's a song by Zero.

00:04:26.000 Zero, he's done some collaborations with Ghetto Boys, but he stands on his own. 0.51

00:04:32.000 Huge throughout the South mainly.

00:04:35.000 Do go platinum in the South by itself.

00:04:37.000 Just the South.

00:04:39.000 Zero, if you're not up on it, man, get up on it, man.

00:04:41.000 I'll have to get up on it after the podcast is over.

00:04:43.000 I will most likely get up on it.

00:04:46.000 Yeah.

00:04:47.000 But you were there, like, you were there when hip-hop was also getting censored, too.

00:04:53.000 Remember those, the Tipper Gore days?

00:04:55.000 Like, a lot of people don't remember.

00:04:56.000 Al Gore's wife.

00:04:57.000 Tipper Gore, I can't stand you, girl. 1.00

00:04:58.000 Don't get your head knocked off like Daniel Pearl. 1.00

00:05:01.000 From what I hear on the streets, you a big old freak. 0.98

00:05:04.000 What gives you credibility to Peterborough Police? 0.97

00:05:08.000 Sharp as a crease, impetuous.

00:05:11.000 As the Middle East, sit on your... 0.98

00:05:15.000 Okay, I'm forgetting.

00:05:17.000 Hey, but I had it, man.

00:05:19.000 I had it for a moment.

00:05:21.000 People forgot that Al Gore's wife was trying to censor hip-hop. 1.00

00:05:25.000 A lot of times people think of the right wing as being the people that try to censor speech, but back then it was Tipper Gore that was on this mission.

00:05:37.000 What was it?

00:05:38.000 Parents for Music something censorship.

00:05:43.000 Yeah, there was morality in media.

00:05:47.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:05:48.000 They went after Beavis and Butthead, too.

00:05:50.000 Well, then they went after two live crew.

00:05:52.000 That's when things got serious, because that actually went to court.

00:05:55.000 That was crazy.

00:05:57.000 People that don't remember, there's some people in this country that are...

00:06:05.000 They were on the front line of censorship.

00:06:07.000 And Two Live Crew was one of the big ones.

00:06:09.000 They went to court in Florida.

00:06:11.000 Broward County.

00:06:12.000 In Broward County, they have crazy laws in Florida. 0.99

00:06:15.000 They put people in jail for all kinds of weird shit. 0.98

00:06:17.000 And they just decided that that was obscene. 0.99

00:06:20.000 Yeah.

00:06:22.000 They made that move on us.

00:06:25.000 Pull us forward a little bit.

00:06:27.000 Just so it's not on your back there.

00:06:30.000 Yeah, they tried to make that move on us and We were defined to the end, man.

00:06:36.000 Like, I remember going to one city and we stood on stage and they was like, yeah, y'all can't play.

00:06:47.000 Because we had planned on going...

00:06:49.000 Well, this was in Florida.

00:06:50.000 I can't remember exactly what city it was, but...

00:06:53.000 We went there and our goal was to play no matter what.

00:06:57.000 We was going to rap our lyrics exactly as they were.

00:07:01.000 And we get there and then they say, well, the city has changed their mind.

00:07:07.000 You can't play at all.

00:07:09.000 So they got us on that one.

00:07:11.000 So you had to shut down the show?

00:07:12.000 Yeah, we couldn't do it at all.

00:07:15.000 The Ghetto Boys was the first group to have a manufacturer Decline, or to say that, you know, decline the distribution of our music.

00:07:31.000 Really?

00:07:32.000 It was the first group in music history where a manufacturer said, we're not going to press.

00:07:38.000 Which album?

00:07:39.000 That was the Ghetto Boys self-titled album.

00:07:43.000 Wow.

00:07:44.000 Yeah, that was 92. That was the Rick Rubin remake.

00:07:47.000 So we did the...

00:07:49.000 It was...

00:07:51.000 The Gripp It On That Other Level album, right?

00:07:53.000 So it was like a remake of that with two extra songs that Rick Rubin produced, and the other songs were like songs that he kind of just kind of remixed a little bit, but they had the same sound for the most.

00:08:08.000 So sonically, they were pretty much the same, but there was two new songs added.

00:08:13.000 So that's when we changed the name of the group to G-E-T-O, the spelling of the group, G-E-T-O from G-H-E-T-T-O. But yeah, you know, the funny thing was that, well, it wasn't funny at the time, but well, it still ain't funny.

00:08:29.000 You know, this Geffen Records, David Geffen, he decided that he was not going to distribute our music, but he was cool with distributing Andrew Dice Clay and Guns N' Roses.

00:08:48.000 And you know what type of music these guys were doing at that time.

00:08:52.000 We're talking about 1990, you know?

00:08:56.000 So, of course, I mean, we was like, yeah, man, this is censorship and we know why.

00:09:03.000 Wink, wink.

00:09:04.000 You know?

00:09:05.000 We know.

00:09:06.000 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 You know, so that's when we came with the We Can't Be Stopped album.

00:09:14.000 That album cover.

00:09:15.000 Yeah.

00:09:16.000 Jesus Christ.

00:09:18.000 When you see Bushwick Bill with a patch over his eye in the hospital gurney, and you guys are rolling with him behind, and that's the album cover.

00:09:25.000 Look at that.

00:09:26.000 Yeah.

00:09:26.000 I mean, come on.

00:09:28.000 That is classic.

00:09:29.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 That is a classic album cover.

00:09:34.000 It can't be stopped.

00:09:36.000 And Bushwick's on the old school cell phone.

00:09:39.000 The brick.

00:09:40.000 And that's done.

00:09:41.000 That was done like...

00:09:44.000 Totally spontaneously.

00:09:46.000 Wow.

00:09:46.000 It was totally unplanned because we had finished the album.

00:09:50.000 And then Bushwick gets shot.

00:09:53.000 And this would happen a lot with Bill.

00:09:56.000 Bill could get a job done.

00:09:58.000 If he had something major to do, he'd get it done.

00:10:02.000 But then after he get it done, something starts going on.

00:10:07.000 Stuff just starts happening.

00:10:10.000 So we had finished the album and, you know, get a call.

00:10:13.000 Bill got shot.

00:10:15.000 Go up to the hospital.

00:10:19.000 Immediately in my mind, this is my cowboy western days, mind you.

00:10:23.000 I'm thinking revenge.

00:10:24.000 Like, I don't care who shot him. 0.70

00:10:26.000 You know, like, let's get him.

00:10:28.000 So I get to the hospital.

00:10:29.000 I go into the room and Bill is laying there and he's kind of, he's dazed.

00:10:37.000 But he's conscious.

00:10:38.000 And he's like, Well, don't hurt her.

00:10:46.000 I made her do it.

00:10:50.000 Your Bushwick Bill impression is wrong.

00:10:52.000 It's so wrong.

00:10:54.000 So that was that.

00:10:58.000 You know, I checked on him.

00:10:59.000 He was good.

00:10:59.000 He's gonna survive.

00:11:01.000 He lost his eye, but he's gonna survive.

00:11:03.000 How did he make her shoot him?

00:11:06.000 He said that they were arguing this is Bill's version that they were arguing over something and he was mad so he pulled out the gun and he threatened to throw the baby downstairs and then He has the gun and his girlfriend is like,

00:11:29.000 they're tussling over the gun. 0.99

00:11:32.000 And so Bill's like, shoot me, shoot me, shoot me. 0.99

00:11:35.000 This is what he's saying that he told her. 0.99

00:11:37.000 So the gun goes off.

00:11:39.000 Boom! 0.99

00:11:41.000 Bill gets shot now.

00:11:43.000 Now, knowing Bill like I know Bill, I know Bill didn't purposely shoot himself in the eye, have anyone shoot him in the eye.

00:11:54.000 Bill just likes walking on the edge.

00:11:57.000 You see?

00:11:58.000 He'll walk that edge, like, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it! 1.00

00:12:01.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:12:04.000 Damn! 1.00

00:12:05.000 You know? 0.99

00:12:06.000 So that's what I believe happened.

00:12:08.000 But Bill say, you know, he made a shooter.

00:12:11.000 So, get to the hospital.

00:12:17.000 We go downstairs and Cliff Blodgett is there.

00:12:20.000 And at the time, Cliff is the co-owner of Rap-A-Lot Records.

00:12:25.000 And Cliff say, you know, everybody, you know, we have a little meeting in the lobby and your bill's okay, you're gonna survive.

00:12:31.000 That was our first thought, you know what I'm saying?

00:12:35.000 Everybody just wanted him to be okay.

00:12:37.000 He's safe, he survived.

00:12:41.000 Cliff's like, back to business.

00:12:42.000 Cliff's like, okay, so what are we gonna do about the album cover? 0.66

00:12:47.000 And I said, well, we can shoot it. 0.98

00:12:51.000 He alive. 0.97

00:12:55.000 So Cliff is like, well, how are we going to do that? 0.98

00:13:01.000 I said, man, we just go up there and shoot it.

00:13:04.000 He said, well, who's going to ask him? 0.99

00:13:06.000 I said, I'll ask him.

00:13:09.000 So I went up there and I was like, Bill.

00:13:15.000 I said, man, we want to shoot this album cover, man.

00:13:22.000 You down?

00:13:23.000 Bill was like, I don't care.

00:13:27.000 He's like, yeah.

00:13:29.000 He said, yeah.

00:13:32.000 I went back down and told him it was a go.

00:13:34.000 Me and Brad went upstairs.

00:13:36.000 Cliff went to his car, got the camera.

00:13:38.000 We went We went upstairs and back to the room.

00:13:42.000 The nurse put Bill on another gurney.

00:13:46.000 And me and Brad rode him down the hall.

00:13:49.000 So the nurse was in a... 1.00

00:13:51.000 The nurse knew you were gonna...

00:13:52.000 There it is!

00:13:54.000 We rode him down the hall.

00:13:56.000 And we didn't roll him far.

00:13:58.000 I mean, like, maybe the room was, like, right behind us to the right.

00:14:01.000 Whose idea was it for him to be holding the phone?

00:14:04.000 I don't know.

00:14:05.000 But I know Chief was there, too, our role manager.

00:14:08.000 So I don't know if Chief told him to, you know, grab the phone or something.

00:14:12.000 I don't know.

00:14:12.000 But...

00:14:13.000 Was the hat already on him?

00:14:15.000 No, he put the hat on too.

00:14:18.000 So, yeah, I think that was chief idea to put the props on, but he started rolling down the hallway and Cliff shot the picture and that's how you got the cover.

00:14:27.000 Wow.

00:14:29.000 One of my great regrets is not having him on the podcast. 0.97

00:14:32.000 They reached out, whoever was representing him reached out, and I had a, you know, my shit gets, I book it myself. 0.84

00:14:40.000 I do it on my phone. 0.99

00:14:41.000 So I have months in advance, and I'm trying to coordinate shit, and it took a couple weeks for me to find a date, and I got a hold of him again, but then he was sick. 0.99

00:14:49.000 He was real sick. 0.93

00:14:51.000 He was in the hospital, and they said he couldn't travel anymore.

00:14:53.000 And then shortly after he died.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, it happened fast.

00:14:57.000 Like once he started, once he made the announcement, his health deteriorated really fast.

00:15:05.000 I think, what was it?

00:15:07.000 Yeah, I think it was.

00:15:08.000 That's one of those ones.

00:15:10.000 Yeah, it was.

00:15:10.000 It was pancreatic.

00:15:12.000 That's one of those ones that gets you quick.

00:15:14.000 That's a bummer.

00:15:16.000 How did you guys all get together?

00:15:19.000 Very carefully.

00:15:23.000 So, I started off as a solo artist.

00:15:27.000 I was writing some songs for the Ghetto Boys' new album.

00:15:32.000 This is the first, well, not even the first incarnation of Ghetto Boys, but this is like one of the incarnations.

00:15:41.000 So, the group has changed members several times.

00:15:45.000 By the time that I wrote these songs for the group, They had changed memories maybe about three times.

00:15:53.000 So, he asked me, Jay asked me, Jay Prince asked me to write some songs for the new album.

00:16:00.000 And I wrote, let a ho be a ho and do it like a G-O. Prince Johnny C didn't want to perform no song. 0.99

00:16:10.000 Well, he didn't want to perform Let A Ho Be A Ho.

00:16:12.000 He was married.

00:16:15.000 By the way, I quote that.

00:16:17.000 I quote you.

00:16:17.000 I told you when I met you.

00:16:19.000 I've said that on the podcast at least 30 times.

00:16:22.000 Whenever someone says something, let me quote the great Willie D, you gotta let a ho be a ho. 1.00

00:16:26.000 Real talk, man.

00:16:27.000 That go a long way.

00:16:29.000 And that's male and female.

00:16:31.000 Yes.

00:16:32.000 Yes.

00:16:32.000 True.

00:16:33.000 I'm glad you said that.

00:16:34.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 So...

00:16:36.000 I write the songs.

00:16:38.000 Jay give them an ultimatum.

00:16:40.000 Look, man, y'all perform these shows or go solo.

00:16:43.000 But this is the direction I'm taking the group.

00:16:47.000 Prior to that, the first incarnation of the Ghetto Boys had more like a Run-DMC style of rap.

00:16:56.000 Jay wanted more Southern, H-Town, Houston experience.

00:17:00.000 So...

00:17:02.000 That's what I gave him.

00:17:03.000 And he liked it.

00:17:04.000 The people around him liked it.

00:17:06.000 And he decided, I'm going to take the group in this direction.

00:17:09.000 So when he gave him the ultimatum, Johnny C decided that he didn't want to do it.

00:17:16.000 But he did perform on the original Do It Like a G.O. Jukebox decided that he wanted to do it, so the first day of going into the studio to create this new group and this new sound,

00:17:36.000 I didn't know Brad, Scarface.

00:17:40.000 I didn't know him at all.

00:17:41.000 I had met Bill before, because me and Bill had a run-in before.

00:17:47.000 So I had met him before.

00:17:50.000 Well, I didn't really meet him.

00:17:51.000 What kind of run-in?

00:17:52.000 It was a physical altercation.

00:17:57.000 I've heard all these stories.

00:17:58.000 That's so good.

00:18:00.000 But that happened, and that was water under the bridge as far as I was concerned.

00:18:10.000 Jay comes to me one night, and I'm kind of skipping around the place because I'm trying to piece it together so you can make as best as I can for it to make sense.

00:18:20.000 Okay, so Jay comes to my house one night.

00:18:22.000 He said, look, man, I got an idea.

00:18:24.000 I want you to be in the Ghetto Boys. 1.00

00:18:27.000 I guess this is when he's having this problem with Johnny C. dropping out.

00:18:31.000 He's trying to figure out what he's going to do with the group.

00:18:33.000 So he comes to me one day.

00:18:34.000 He said, I got an idea.

00:18:35.000 I want you to be in the Ghetto Boys. 1.00

00:18:36.000 I said, no, I don't want to be in the group.

00:18:39.000 And he was like, I said, man, you know, this is what I want to do.

00:18:44.000 I said, yeah, I want to be in a group.

00:18:46.000 And he was like, well, do it for me.

00:18:54.000 So I looked at it like Jay was investing in my dream of becoming a rapper.

00:19:01.000 So when he said it like that, he convinced me.

00:19:06.000 And I was like, okay, I'll do it.

00:19:08.000 But after I do it, I'm going back solo.

00:19:11.000 So, my time in the ghetto boys was supposed to be temporary.

00:19:15.000 All alone.

00:19:17.000 So, I agreed to do it.

00:19:19.000 And he told me, he said, I got this other boy on the south side named DJ Action.

00:19:26.000 That's who everybody know as Scarface now.

00:19:29.000 He said, I got DJ Action.

00:19:31.000 I want to put y'all in the group.

00:19:32.000 You...

00:19:35.000 He said DJ Action and Jukebox.

00:19:39.000 Y'all be the new ghetto boys. 0.91

00:19:42.000 So that's the group.

00:19:44.000 He come to pick me up.

00:19:46.000 He's in an Astro van.

00:19:51.000 Scarface aka DJ Action, he's in the van.

00:19:54.000 Beto, his producer, is in the van.

00:19:57.000 Reddy Red, our DJ, is in the van.

00:19:59.000 Bushwick is in the van because he's hanging out.

00:20:01.000 You know, that's Jay Buddy, so he's just hanging out.

00:20:05.000 And I hop in to see if I'm missing anybody.

00:20:09.000 So Jay, Beto, Brad, Bill, Red, Jukebox, and me.

00:20:17.000 We're all in the van.

00:20:18.000 We're going to make this album.

00:20:20.000 We don't even know the title of the album.

00:20:22.000 We're just going to go make an album.

00:20:23.000 We go out to Jay's Ranch about an hour from my house.

00:20:28.000 We get there and I think the first or second night Jukebox decided that he was going to quit the group.

00:20:36.000 Now, from what I understood from the conversation was that he was having Kids, twins or something, or a baby or something, and this woman wanted him to get a real job.

00:20:53.000 So he quit the groove.

00:20:57.000 So now we decide, okay, it's going to be me and Scarface.

00:21:02.000 It's us.

00:21:03.000 At this time, he's still DJ Action.

00:21:05.000 So it's me and Action, and Ready Ready is our DJ. So maybe like the second day or something, I'm in a studio, and Red is making music and stuff, and Bill is rapping Public Enemy's song.

00:21:23.000 Yes, the rhythm, the rebel.

00:21:25.000 Without a pause, I'm lowering my level.

00:21:28.000 So I look, and he's drinking a 40 ounce too.

00:21:32.000 He got a 40. And a light comes on.

00:21:41.000 I say, let's put Bill in the group.

00:21:43.000 Let's get Bill to take Jukebox Place. 1.00

00:21:46.000 So everybody start laughing.

00:21:48.000 I say, yeah, see, that's what the world going to do. 0.99

00:21:51.000 But they going to stop laughing when they hear this gangster shit I'm going to write for them. 0.99

00:21:57.000 So I said, Jay, I say, let me write something. 0.99

00:22:02.000 I say, if he do it, is he in the group?

00:22:04.000 And Jay was like, man, I don't know, man.

00:22:12.000 Bill, what you think?

00:22:14.000 Bill said, I don't know, but I can try.

00:22:18.000 Wow.

00:22:19.000 I took Bill to the kitchen and we sat at the breakfast club.

00:22:24.000 I mean, that's the breakfast club.

00:22:26.000 We sat at the breakfast table.

00:22:29.000 I asked him some questions about himself and I embellished it with what I thought it might be like to walk in his shoes. 0.99

00:22:37.000 And I came up with size ain't shit. 0.98

00:22:40.000 Three days later, he recorded it. 0.98

00:22:41.000 That's how Bill became a rapper, and that's how he became a ghetto boy. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Wow, so a lot of people don't know that you were writing all that shit. 0.99

00:22:50.000 I was on ghetto boy records. 0.99

00:22:55.000 I would say 70, 80% of everything ever came out of Bushwick Mouth came out of my head first.

00:23:04.000 It's crazy that you saw him rapping and the light went off and that formed the Ghetto Boys. 0.57

00:23:09.000 This is like one of those stories.

00:23:10.000 Yeah.

00:23:12.000 He was only a dancer first, right?

00:23:14.000 He would break dance at the shows?

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:17.000 And so, like, we wasn't...

00:23:19.000 Like, Bill actually was opening, like, an opening act for the Ghetto Boys prior to becoming an actual rapper and a member.

00:23:28.000 He was on the cover of the first album.

00:23:33.000 But he wasn't an official member of the group.

00:23:36.000 He didn't even have a contract.

00:23:37.000 He was just there for aesthetic purposes.

00:23:43.000 So he performed.

00:23:45.000 I mean, he performed before the group would come out.

00:23:48.000 He would warm the crowd up.

00:23:50.000 He'd dance, you know?

00:23:52.000 Lil' Billy.

00:23:53.000 They used to call him Lil' Billy.

00:23:55.000 And he would dance.

00:23:56.000 And so after he'd do his thing, then the group would come out and start rapping.

00:24:03.000 So that was his role at first.

00:24:05.000 And we wasn't going to have that in our group.

00:24:07.000 We wasn't going to have a dancer in our group. 1.00

00:24:09.000 But once Bill became a rapper, we said, well, let's utilize his dance skills.

00:24:18.000 So we would have parts in the show where Bill would do a little dancing and stuff.

00:24:24.000 But if you listen to that first album that he, me, Scarface, and Ready Red made, That album, Bill is only on like maybe four songs.

00:24:34.000 That's because he came in late.

00:24:36.000 And those songs originally wasn't for him.

00:24:40.000 That's why he's only on, like, I think we did maybe 12, yeah, we did 12 songs and he's only maybe, he's only like maybe five songs or something.

00:24:50.000 I can't remember.

00:24:51.000 The dude who quit?

00:24:52.000 What's his name again?

00:24:52.000 Jukebox.

00:24:53.000 How does Jukebox feel about all this?

00:24:55.000 When you guys blew up, he had to be like...

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 Well, you know, you got to ask him how he feel.

00:25:02.000 But, you know, look, I've seen a number of people go through that in this business.

00:25:10.000 I've been in the game 31 years.

00:25:12.000 So I've seen really, really talented people who are not making money initially.

00:25:21.000 It's not happening fast enough.

00:25:24.000 And I've seen dudes not make it in this game because their woman told them, you need to get a real job. 0.90

00:25:32.000 Look, we got a baby.

00:25:33.000 Look, keep coming back here. 0.99

00:25:35.000 You go in the studio, you spend all this time hanging out, rapping and all this shit. 0.99

00:25:40.000 You need to get a job. 0.92

00:25:43.000 And one of the dudes, I remember this white guy, he's probably a fan of your podcast, little kid, man.

00:25:51.000 When I met him, he was like 17 years old.

00:25:53.000 He rapped like too short.

00:25:56.000 Cold-blooded. 0.53

00:25:57.000 Think of it, a white dude rapping like too short. 0.86

00:26:00.000 And he was authentic with it. 0.97

00:26:03.000 Dope, dope, dope. 0.96

00:26:06.000 So, I was going to put him on, and when we had the meeting, he didn't show up.

00:26:14.000 He didn't show up for the meeting.

00:26:16.000 And then he gives me this story, this sob story about this girl, this and this and that, or whatever.

00:26:21.000 And then, so, maybe six months later, We tried again.

00:26:28.000 And then something else came up, and then I cut him off after that.

00:26:32.000 So fast forward, I seen him about maybe three years after that, and he tells me that he's working at some grocery store stocking groceries.

00:26:40.000 And he got a baby with the girl, but she's gone now.

00:26:45.000 So this is a cautionary tale, and this is the reason why I'm telling it, is because that could have been me.

00:26:53.000 When I was Twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-one, twenty-two.

00:27:01.000 That was this girl I really, really liked, man.

00:27:04.000 You know, I was dating her, and she made me work for it. 0.99

00:27:09.000 You know, I had to work to get in the dough.

00:27:12.000 So I liked her.

00:27:13.000 You know, I'd earned her.

00:27:16.000 When I would write, I would put a sign on the door, do not disturb, and I would unplug the phone.

00:27:22.000 I would give myself five minutes to dedicate toward my craft every single day, no matter what was going on in my life.

00:27:29.000 Didn't matter if I was broke.

00:27:32.000 Didn't matter if there was a death in the family.

00:27:35.000 Didn't matter if I was in a bad mood.

00:27:38.000 Didn't matter if I was going out that night.

00:27:41.000 It didn't matter.

00:27:43.000 Five minutes minimum.

00:27:45.000 That means research, planning, plotting, writing, doing something.

00:27:52.000 Towards my goal.

00:27:55.000 I would unplug that phone and she would try to call me and couldn't reach me. 0.99

00:27:59.000 So one day we'd get on the phone and she said, I think we need to break up because you don't ever have time for me. 0.83

00:28:08.000 So I tried to explain it to her, but she wouldn't listen.

00:28:11.000 But I was okay with it because I had made my mind up well before that, that I was not going to let anything get in the way of me becoming a successful rapper.

00:28:21.000 So that meant everybody.

00:28:23.000 That meant any family members, friends, girlfriend, whatever.

00:28:27.000 Because I just felt like that rap was going to last longer.

00:28:33.000 My music, my talent.

00:28:36.000 My gift was going to last longer than any relationship.

00:28:40.000 Where did you get this belief in yourself?

00:28:42.000 Did this come from boxing?

00:28:44.000 Because a lot of people don't know.

00:28:45.000 You're a really good boxer.

00:28:46.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 And I remember there was a...

00:28:48.000 We talked about this when I met you.

00:28:49.000 That one of the things that I didn't know that you were a boxer until I saw that rapper versus rapper boxing event they put on.

00:28:56.000 And you...

00:28:57.000 Was it Marley Marr?

00:28:58.000 Marley Mel.

00:28:59.000 I mean, Melly Mel.

00:29:00.000 Melly Mel.

00:29:00.000 Yeah.

00:29:01.000 Forget who it was.

00:29:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:02.000 You fucked that dude up. 0.99

00:29:03.000 That was wrong. 0.99

00:29:05.000 Like, that was...

00:29:06.000 Whoever set that up...

00:29:08.000 Well, it was either him or me.

00:29:10.000 I understand, but it wasn't either him or you.

00:29:13.000 But he had won a bunch before that, though, hadn't he?

00:29:15.000 Hadn't he won a bunch of those...

00:29:17.000 That's great.

00:29:18.000 I'm not sure.

00:29:18.000 But when you watch this, look at the way he's holding his hands.

00:29:21.000 And look at Willie.

00:29:22.000 This is a terrible fight.

00:29:25.000 Like, if I was in the guy's corner, I would have thrown the towel as soon as I saw him holding his hands up.

00:29:29.000 Well, it wasn't one of my greatest...

00:29:35.000 Well, you could tell right away that you really knew how to box.

00:29:39.000 Mel was unorthodox, so it took longer to really zero in on what I wanted to do with him.

00:29:47.000 Well, he's a big, strong guy.

00:29:48.000 When you see him moving, you can tell he's athletic and he hits hard, but you were setting it up.

00:29:55.000 Wasn't he known for street fights, you said, or something like that?

00:29:59.000 See, there's a lot of people that are known for street fights.

00:30:01.000 When you're fighting in the streets, a lot of times you're fighting people that don't actually know how to fight.

00:30:04.000 But me as a person who was a fight fan who had done martial arts my whole life, I was looking at Will, I was like, he knows how to fight.

00:30:11.000 Like, you could just see by the way you're moving.

00:30:14.000 That's it.

00:30:15.000 Not some good camera work, but clear.

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, it was a clean punch.

00:30:22.000 So male...

00:30:25.000 For maybe five years, him and his manager would call and say, we want a rematch.

00:30:30.000 And I was like, the first one was for charity.

00:30:35.000 I'm going to have to get paid if you want to.

00:30:38.000 You want to get that rep restored, bro?

00:30:42.000 You're going to have to pay for it.

00:30:44.000 I'm not going to do it for free.

00:30:46.000 But look, When I look back at it, I wish it was somebody else that I had the squabble with, right?

00:30:55.000 Because Mel is a good dude.

00:30:57.000 I like Mel.

00:30:58.000 I like his team.

00:30:58.000 I like his people.

00:30:59.000 They're good people.

00:31:01.000 But for a while, though, we was going back and forth.

00:31:04.000 I was like, man, I know what happened, and I know what you want to do.

00:31:08.000 So if you want to get back in the good graces of the knockout artists, you're going to have to pay for that.

00:31:17.000 So we never could work out a number.

00:31:20.000 But you had a legit boxing pass, though.

00:31:23.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 What was your boxing history?

00:31:26.000 You'd won Golden Gloves events.

00:31:28.000 84. Yeah.

00:31:29.000 Texas.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 So you had a legit...

00:31:32.000 How many fights did you have?

00:31:33.000 32. There's no substitution for that.

00:31:37.000 There's no substitution for that.

00:31:38.000 If you've actually been in there 32 times and you've got a guy who's good at fighting, I'm sure he's a tough guy, but that's a mismatch.

00:31:45.000 Yeah.

00:31:46.000 When you had that kind of discipline, that had to play a part in your rap career.

00:31:52.000 Because to get that good as a boxer, you got to put that time in when you don't want to.

00:31:57.000 You have to grind.

00:31:58.000 Yeah.

00:31:59.000 You know, my greatest motivation was just...

00:32:02.000 changing my lifestyle.

00:32:08.000 Because I come from insufficient...

00:32:12.000 Insufficient living, insufficient love, insufficient clothing, insufficient housing, you know, insufficient care. 0.86

00:32:26.000 Everything was insufficient except the bad stuff.

00:32:33.000 I want it out.

00:32:35.000 It's like, I got to change this trajectory.

00:32:37.000 I don't like it.

00:32:38.000 And I'm not going to bring my children into this world like this.

00:32:43.000 I'm not going to bring my children and put my children at a social disadvantage.

00:32:48.000 So this is why it was very important for me to get some money first before I started having children.

00:32:54.000 You know, and if somebody is already in that position, then it's already happened and you didn't plan it out the right way.

00:33:02.000 But as soon as you can, you got to get it right.

00:33:04.000 You got to make it right.

00:33:05.000 Because children don't ask to come into this world.

00:33:09.000 And you bring these children to this world and a world of insufficient, you know, living even in an insufficient love is even worse.

00:33:18.000 Because if you got sufficient love, love will make you grind so hard that you'll get it.

00:33:25.000 You know, because once you give life, life is bigger than yours.

00:33:28.000 And them children you realize is more important than whatever it is that you want to do.

00:33:34.000 And you look at, and really, when you put that energy into that and you let that be your driving force, you actually become a greater person.

00:33:46.000 Because your motivation is bigger than you.

00:33:50.000 It's greater than you.

00:33:52.000 You may sometimes wake up and don't want to do it.

00:33:56.000 But because you love those babies so much, I gotta do it.

00:34:00.000 Sometimes you might want to snap. 1.00

00:34:01.000 Sometimes you want to tell the boss, man, kiss my ass, go to hell, you funky motherfucker. 1.00

00:34:05.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:34:05.000 You want to just go off on the boss. 1.00

00:34:07.000 And you be thinking about them kids, you're like, ooh-wee, nah, I can't do that.

00:34:10.000 Right.

00:34:12.000 Where did you get this wisdom from when you were young and you were experiencing these hard times?

00:34:18.000 How did you...

00:34:19.000 I mean, a lot of people make the same mistakes their parents make, the same mistakes other people around them make. 1.00

00:34:25.000 It's very few people that dig their heels in the ground and go, no, no, no, this shit stops with me. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:31.000 Where did you get the wisdom?

00:34:33.000 I just kind of like...

00:34:35.000 A lot of it was trial and error.

00:34:39.000 Baptism through fire.

00:34:41.000 A lot of it.

00:34:44.000 I just...

00:34:45.000 I listened to Stevie Wonder's music.

00:34:49.000 It's very inspirational, Stevie Wonder music.

00:34:51.000 Very inspirational.

00:34:53.000 Probably saved my life.

00:34:55.000 I watched manly examples, like examples of fatherhood, like James Evans from Good Times.

00:35:06.000 Yes.

00:35:07.000 John Amos.

00:35:08.000 I met John Amos at the Comedy Store.

00:35:10.000 Is that right? 0.99

00:35:10.000 Oh, he was cool as fuck. 0.99

00:35:12.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:35:12.000 Yeah, I hear he's a real cool dude. 0.95

00:35:14.000 I need to meet him.

00:35:14.000 That's one of the things, like, that's one of the people, you know, in this game that I'd like to meet one day.

00:35:21.000 He's so down to earth, so natural.

00:35:25.000 When you talk to him, he grabs, he's laughing, he's great.

00:35:28.000 Yeah.

00:35:28.000 Well, it was him, man.

00:35:30.000 It was watching his example of fatherhood, his Yeah.

00:35:51.000 Isn't it crazy that sitcoms like that can have so much value?

00:35:55.000 Even though it's an entertainment show for a lot of people, you look at that guy and you say, that's who I want to be.

00:36:03.000 I want to aspire to have that kind of family.

00:36:06.000 There's an example of a man, even though it's a comedy.

00:36:10.000 Right.

00:36:10.000 And you're right about that, man.

00:36:13.000 The only thing that I wanted to make sure that I did not repeat was...

00:36:21.000 The cycle of not ever making it out.

00:36:25.000 Because James never made it out.

00:36:27.000 In fact, he died.

00:36:28.000 Right.

00:36:29.000 You know, he got a new job and went out.

00:36:34.000 I think he got killed.

00:36:35.000 They killed him off like an accident in the snow.

00:36:38.000 Why does he kill him off?

00:36:39.000 Did he want off the show?

00:36:40.000 Well, they killed him off because he didn't like the direction the show was going in.

00:36:46.000 You know, they was doing a lot of...

00:36:47.000 He didn't like the...

00:36:50.000 It had a lot to do with the Jimmy Walker character.

00:36:54.000 You know, quite frankly, it was a lot of buffoonery, right?

00:36:59.000 He thought it was getting too broad, too big and dynamite stuff.

00:37:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:05.000 The dynamite stuff and all that.

00:37:07.000 And he wanted to have more social stuff.

00:37:09.000 He thought that they could continue that trend of making funny stuff but also being socially astute.

00:37:17.000 And they...

00:37:19.000 You know, they just couldn't see eye to eye.

00:37:22.000 Well, Jimmy Walker at the time, if you remember, he was a gigantic character.

00:37:26.000 He was.

00:37:27.000 He was huge.

00:37:27.000 He was.

00:37:28.000 That dynamite, that haunted him forever.

00:37:31.000 Yeah.

00:37:31.000 Because, you know, Jimmy became a comic.

00:37:32.000 Right.

00:37:32.000 And we would see Jimmy at the Laugh Factory, and he was always doing stand-up, and people demanded that he say dynamite.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:40.000 It was a trap.

00:37:42.000 Yeah, it was, man.

00:37:45.000 But it was, to me, the greatest sitcom ever because it really helped shape my life as a type of person that I became.

00:37:55.000 So now, along the way, you know, like I said, it was baptism through fire.

00:38:03.000 I made a lot of mistakes along the way, but one of the things that I try to do is not repeat the same mistakes.

00:38:08.000 I am not going to ever be perfect.

00:38:13.000 I don't aspire to be perfect.

00:38:15.000 But what I do aspire to do is learn from my mistakes and not make the same mistakes.

00:38:21.000 Oh, I got some more mistakes to make.

00:38:23.000 I'm going to make a few more big ones before I get up out of here.

00:38:28.000 But not the same ones.

00:38:29.000 But not the same ones.

00:38:31.000 And I will grow.

00:38:33.000 I will grow.

00:38:35.000 But I think that I got through, man.

00:38:38.000 I think I was spared.

00:38:39.000 I think part of it was my My will to leave my mark and then a lot of it was luck and then the rest of it was favor.

00:38:51.000 Well, you know, I think it's amazing what you're doing because I think what happened with you with watching Good Times, you're, you know, I know you know this, but your social media presence and what you put out there, like, You're a man.

00:39:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:08.000 Like, you're a man of your word.

00:39:09.000 You stand for things. 0.96

00:39:11.000 And when you call people out on their bullshit, and you call men out on their weakness, you're setting examples that a lot of young guys are seeing. 0.97

00:39:22.000 And they're looking at you as a guy who not just got out, left his mark, but evolved. 0.99

00:39:29.000 Evolved as a man.

00:39:30.000 You know, when you were running for, what were you running for?

00:39:33.000 City Council.

00:39:34.000 And, you know, you and I had a conversation about it.

00:39:35.000 You're like, well, my past came back to haunt me.

00:39:38.000 You know, this is one of the...

00:39:41.000 Like, people have to have a past.

00:39:43.000 And a guy like you who has a past is...

00:39:47.000 More valuable.

00:39:48.000 A guy who can show people. 1.00

00:39:50.000 Just because you're fucked up, just because you've done dumb shit or you were in a bad situation when you were younger, that doesn't define you. 1.00

00:39:58.000 Who you are now is who you are. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Right.

00:40:02.000 I like to tell people, my past don't define me.

00:40:06.000 It refine me.

00:40:09.000 I like it.

00:40:10.000 You see?

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 Because...

00:40:14.000 It's so much that I see.

00:40:16.000 I have foresight now.

00:40:18.000 So much that I see, that I've seen, I've witnessed, I've done myself personally, or, you know, I've been very, very close to the action.

00:40:30.000 And I'm an odd man.

00:40:33.000 I say, well, you know, if you do this, then more likely this will be the outcome.

00:40:37.000 That's why I never joined a gang.

00:40:40.000 Because I was like, not that I didn't do anything wrong, but I felt like if I'm going to do something wrong, I trust me to not snitch me out.

00:40:53.000 Best reason for that.

00:40:54.000 I'm going to tell you a story I've never told publicly.

00:41:01.000 In the mid-80s, There was some cab killings in Houston.

00:41:10.000 It was killing cab drivers, right?

00:41:16.000 The guys who were involved, who started it, came to my house first to get me to go with them to hit a lick.

00:41:25.000 We poor, we in the hood.

00:41:27.000 You know, like, everybody needs money.

00:41:30.000 Some of us, we're not gonna eat.

00:41:34.000 You know, if we don't go out there and kill something, not literally kill a person, but kill something, you know, so that we can, that we can nourish our bodies, right?

00:41:46.000 It came to me. 0.68

00:41:48.000 Hey man, look, we finna go do this.

00:41:51.000 And I look out and I see like, it's the dude that wanted to catch that's, you know, in the neighborhood, that tough guy.

00:42:00.000 And then I look out and I see like three other dudes with him.

00:42:04.000 Hell no, that's too many dudes.

00:42:06.000 If he wouldn't have had that many people with him, I probably would have went with him.

00:42:11.000 If it would have just been him and another cat, all right, I probably would have went.

00:42:16.000 I don't know.

00:42:18.000 But he had like three other dudes with him.

00:42:23.000 And...

00:42:25.000 The next morning, I hear a cab driver, old black dude, in the neighborhood. 0.99

00:42:31.000 Well, he wasn't from the neighborhood, but they killed him in the neighborhood.

00:42:36.000 And he was an elderly dude.

00:42:38.000 And they only took like 30-something bucks.

00:42:42.000 And so I know that's what happened, right?

00:42:47.000 So then over the next like maybe three weeks, four more cab drivers get killed.

00:42:53.000 I know I got a pretty good idea who's doing this, right?

00:43:00.000 Because I'm not the only one that knows.

00:43:04.000 It's other people that know these guys and they're talking.

00:43:08.000 So there's murmurs in the streets about this happening.

00:43:14.000 So then they get caught up and each of these guys, they end up with The one that got the less years was like 15 years.

00:43:27.000 All these guys were minors except the main one.

00:43:32.000 They were 14 to like 19 years old.

00:43:35.000 So they ended up with a minimum 15 years and then the one that got the max was like 40 years.

00:43:42.000 So my life would have been very, very much different had I walked out that door that night. 0.99

00:43:50.000 That's some heavy shit. 0.98

00:43:52.000 I can see a lot of things happening. 0.98

00:43:55.000 I can see a lot of things happening from my own experience but other people's experience too and I personally do believe that experience is not the best teacher.

00:44:08.000 Other people's experience is the best teacher because if I see you go out and if you walk around the corner And you come back, running back,

00:44:24.000 bleeding profusely.

00:44:26.000 Oh man, these guys around the corner just stabbed me, man. 1.00

00:44:31.000 Why would I run my silly ass around the corner? 1.00

00:44:35.000 UJ just stabbed you. 1.00

00:44:37.000 What's going to happen to me?

00:44:39.000 What's likely to happen to me?

00:44:41.000 What could happen to me if I go around that same corner? 1.00

00:44:45.000 And them motherfuckers might stab me next. 1.00

00:44:47.000 So no, I'm not going around that corner. 1.00

00:44:50.000 I'm going in the opposite direction.

00:44:51.000 In fact, get from by me, man, because they might come stab you again and get me while I'm with you.

00:44:57.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:44:58.000 I think you can learn from both, but you can learn the terrible lessons from other people without having to do it.

00:45:02.000 Without ever having to do it.

00:45:04.000 If you stick your hand in the fire and it burn you, why the hell would I stick my hand in that fire and let it burn me unless I want to be burned?

00:45:14.000 So that's why you know these these The gang thing, I could never get with it.

00:45:21.000 I've never been a gang member, so I don't know what these guys be thinking.

00:45:25.000 I don't know what they be thinking, man, but I just don't see an upside to it.

00:45:33.000 It has a terrible retirement plan.

00:45:38.000 You know, most of the dudes are killed before they're 30, are maimed, they have a Extensive criminal history.

00:45:49.000 Their opportunities are severely limited because of the record.

00:45:55.000 People are afraid to do business with them.

00:45:58.000 You know, it's just way too much.

00:46:00.000 And I just feel like, you know, well...

00:46:05.000 I'm just going to go ahead and avoid that.

00:46:06.000 Plus, I'm a black man in America. 0.99

00:46:08.000 There's all kinds of ways to get killed in here. 0.99

00:46:10.000 There's all kinds of ways to die already.

00:46:12.000 Besides natural stuff like natural death, diabetes, cancer, lupus, obesity, all these type of things that can kill you.

00:46:27.000 Stroke.

00:46:29.000 You got accidents.

00:46:31.000 You might get hit by a car or something like that.

00:46:34.000 You got domestic disputes.

00:46:39.000 Why would I say, man, you know what? 1.00

00:46:44.000 I need one more motherfucking thing to die to help me rush this death. 1.00

00:46:49.000 I gotta get there, baby. 1.00

00:46:51.000 I gotta get there.

00:46:52.000 I'm gonna join the gang. 0.97

00:46:55.000 I'm trying to eliminate the things that can kill me.

00:47:02.000 I'm trying to avoid those type of things.

00:47:05.000 Why would I walk right into something?

00:47:07.000 But again, a lot of people do.

00:47:08.000 Where did you get the wisdom?

00:47:11.000 The way you think right now, have you always thought this way, where you plot ahead and look at things like you're playing 3D chess?

00:47:19.000 I did to an extent, but I got a lot better at it in my 20s, like late 20s.

00:47:26.000 I got really better.

00:47:27.000 And the reason why I say that is because the true part about it is that there are dudes that are my age that tell me, man, you was like a big brother to me.

00:47:37.000 You know, because I've been knowing them since we were like teenagers or early 20s or whatever.

00:47:44.000 And I've always been just a few steps ahead and, you know, seeing what was going on, you know, watching, you know.

00:47:52.000 So, but I still had some things that I had to learn.

00:47:57.000 Primarily conflict resolution.

00:48:01.000 Conflict resolution.

00:48:02.000 It should be taught in schools.

00:48:05.000 I agree.

00:48:06.000 Americans have a big problem with conflict resolution. 1.00

00:48:10.000 It should be taught in schools.

00:48:11.000 Any of you politicians out there, y'all want to work on a bill with me?

00:48:14.000 Come on with it.

00:48:15.000 I'm down.

00:48:17.000 Conflict resolution should be taught in schools.

00:48:19.000 Because I remember being on stage, man, and somebody would heckle.

00:48:28.000 It would be a dude, always a dude.

00:48:32.000 Heckled.

00:48:33.000 Like, oh man, talking crazy for no reason. 0.89

00:48:38.000 And I would jump off stage, knock them out, get back on stage and finish the show.

00:48:48.000 You know, I would do stuff like that.

00:48:50.000 I mean, once we were in Jackson, Mississippi, let me see, Statue of Limitation.

00:48:59.000 Okay, I'm past.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, okay.

00:49:02.000 We're in Jackson, Mississippi, and the promoter owes us our back end.

00:49:08.000 You know, they pay you the front end, you know, for signing the contract, agreeing to do the show.

00:49:15.000 Then you show up, they pay you the rest.

00:49:18.000 We get there, it's cars everywhere.

00:49:21.000 It's cars line the streets everywhere.

00:49:24.000 They're all on the grass.

00:49:26.000 We know this is big.

00:49:29.000 And for artists, I don't care how many sold-out shows you do, you love to see the people turn out.

00:49:34.000 And you go like, wow.

00:49:36.000 So this is one of those nights.

00:49:40.000 Our manager, our role manager, chief comes back to the limo, and this, you know, this was long ago, long time ago.

00:49:45.000 People were still, we were still riding in limousines.

00:49:48.000 So our manager comes over, he's like, he said, Hey man, he say he ain't got all the money.

00:49:55.000 The promoter don't have all the money.

00:49:56.000 I say, what do you mean he ain't got all the money?

00:49:57.000 Man, all these people out here? 1.00

00:50:00.000 Man, we like, man, fuck that. 1.00

00:50:05.000 I grab my cousin Dre and we go in there. 1.00

00:50:11.000 Say, man, you gonna come off that money?

00:50:19.000 At first, he chuckled.

00:50:27.000 Say, man, hey, look here, bring that money back here and da-da-da-da-da.

00:50:31.000 He gave us the money.

00:50:35.000 We came back to the limo.

00:50:36.000 I like how you're being careful with this.

00:50:39.000 Even...

00:50:39.000 It's just emotion.

00:50:43.000 We got the money.

00:50:44.000 We got the money.

00:50:45.000 And now everything is good.

00:50:48.000 Went on the stage and did the show.

00:50:51.000 And then left.

00:50:53.000 This is me, like, again, Cowboy Western days.

00:50:57.000 Right.

00:50:57.000 Not really thinking, like, all kinds of things that could happen in that situation.

00:51:03.000 Sure.

00:51:05.000 Like, going back on the stage, like, listen, just going back on the stage, back up.

00:51:12.000 Just taking that money like that in the first place, you know, that's the case.

00:51:17.000 That could be a case, okay?

00:51:19.000 Then you go on stage and do the show.

00:51:21.000 We're in his hometown.

00:51:22.000 He could be rallying the troops.

00:51:25.000 We come out, it's over.

00:51:27.000 I'm not thinking on that type of level.

00:51:29.000 I'm like...

00:51:30.000 He violated.

00:51:31.000 You get this.

00:51:32.000 And that's it.

00:51:34.000 And it's whatever.

00:51:34.000 Who else want to get it?

00:51:35.000 What would you have done different now?

00:51:36.000 Oh.

00:51:39.000 In that exact same situation, I would try to convince him to pay up.

00:51:45.000 Like, he still wouldn't get away with it.

00:51:47.000 But I would just do it differently.

00:51:50.000 Yeah.

00:51:51.000 I get it.

00:51:54.000 Yeah.

00:51:55.000 Still...

00:51:57.000 He would have to pay up.

00:51:59.000 But there's a long history of promoters not paying people.

00:52:01.000 They must pay.

00:52:03.000 They must pay.

00:52:04.000 They must pay because what you don't want to do is you don't want to be in a situation where people owe you money and look, man, it's an honest day's work for honest day's pay.

00:52:22.000 Nothing more, nothing less.

00:52:25.000 Same way with record contracts and stuff.

00:52:28.000 I've heard people talk bad about executives and stuff.

00:52:33.000 Well, they didn't pay.

00:52:34.000 Well, you know, what happened to all that gangsta shot?

00:52:37.000 That gangsta talkie.

00:52:38.000 You can't go get your money?

00:52:41.000 You're not going to go get your money?

00:52:44.000 Like, I don't understand that.

00:52:46.000 Right.

00:52:48.000 When did you guys meet?

00:52:49.000 Did you guys meet for Office Space or did you know each other before that?

00:52:52.000 It was after.

00:52:54.000 It was after?

00:52:55.000 Through Brad, yeah.

00:52:56.000 I mean, I was a huge fan.

00:52:57.000 I put all those songs in Office Space.

00:53:00.000 The beginning of Office Space, when he's in the car rapping by himself, is one of the classic all-time scenes.

00:53:07.000 Yeah, I met Mike in 2013 at South by Southwest.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, Brad was in town.

00:53:13.000 I also put Brad in Idiocracy.

00:53:15.000 He's in there briefly.

00:53:17.000 But yeah, we met in 2013 and I nerded out probably like you did.

00:53:24.000 But I just think all these stories are incredible.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, we stayed in touch since then.

00:53:31.000 That's pretty cool.

00:53:31.000 But I'm a giant fan of people who overcome adversity because I think it's not just a testament to your character, but it's a lesson for other people.

00:53:39.000 That's why I think it's so important.

00:53:40.000 That's why I jumped on social media.

00:53:43.000 I knew I was risking a lot of disrespect, right? 0.99

00:53:49.000 Because people on social media and on the internet, period, can be the most disrespectful bastards ever. 0.97

00:53:57.000 And you know, like, they say things that you know they would never, ever, ever say to your face. 0.98

00:54:07.000 But they just be.

00:54:13.000 So I knew.

00:54:22.000 What I was doing.

00:54:24.000 I knew that that would be people that would just oppose just to oppose.

00:54:31.000 There are people out there that they see you doing it, they want to oppose just to oppose.

00:54:34.000 I knew that would be people that would try to leverage my history, my past against me.

00:54:43.000 I knew that would happen.

00:54:47.000 Sometimes people do stuff like that because they don't want you to give up information that could save somebody else.

00:54:54.000 They don't want people to be saved.

00:54:56.000 You think that's true?

00:54:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:58.000 There are some really evil people in the world, bro.

00:55:02.000 When I was younger, I was an idealist.

00:55:04.000 I didn't think that I knew it was people out there like that, but I didn't think it was that many.

00:55:10.000 The internet opened it up.

00:55:12.000 It really exposed it.

00:55:14.000 There's some really, really bad people in the world.

00:55:17.000 There's some bad people in the world.

00:55:21.000 You know how to say hurt people hurt people.

00:55:24.000 Yes.

00:55:24.000 Right.

00:55:25.000 Yeah.

00:55:25.000 So a lot of these people are hurt.

00:55:28.000 They don't know how to channel that anger into something positive, right?

00:55:35.000 Right.

00:55:35.000 So they just take the ease around and do the negative thing.

00:55:39.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 Right.

00:55:40.000 And they just go like, however they feel at that moment, they just respond.

00:55:43.000 Well, when you're in a position, like you're in the public, and you have that comment section, it's a honeypot for those kind of people.

00:55:52.000 Just looking for an opportunity to try to get under your skin.

00:55:56.000 Yeah.

00:55:57.000 And what I do to them...

00:55:59.000 I try to be as disrespectful as I possibly can.

00:56:06.000 I noticed that.

00:56:08.000 Look, let me tell you, man, when I say I try to be disrespectful, I try to make them crawl back under that rock that they came from under.

00:56:23.000 But you're giving them attention in doing so.

00:56:25.000 No, no, no.

00:56:27.000 When I... No, no, no. 0.99

00:56:31.000 When I smash them, I destroy them. 0.98

00:56:35.000 I let them know nobody likes you. 0.99

00:56:39.000 You have a hard time getting a girlfriend.

00:56:42.000 Your children don't like you.

00:56:43.000 Your mama and daddy didn't like you. 1.00

00:56:46.000 So you come on here and you see people having a good time and you see people are in good spirits and you want to destroy that and make them feel like you're a miserable lowdown ass. 1.00

00:56:55.000 You are an uncivilized mutt. 1.00

00:56:58.000 Nobody likes you. 0.99

00:57:02.000 And then I block them.

00:57:06.000 One of them had the audacity to come under a different name and say, oh, you're so Mr. Big Shot, you want to block somebody when they say something back? 0.98

00:57:13.000 Look, bastard, you're not finna come up off my name. 0.98

00:57:17.000 You're not finna come up, get on my platform, and handle me. 1.00

00:57:21.000 I got time.

00:57:23.000 So, I got moderators on my platforms, and I do a lot of it myself too.

00:57:30.000 So, when they come, our goal is to destroy trolls.

00:57:35.000 I got moderators like LaShawn and Miss Meachie and Lele, you know? 0.99

00:57:43.000 Man, we destroy them.

00:57:45.000 Miss China. 0.99

00:57:47.000 White China. 0.81

00:57:49.000 We ain't playing no games, man. 1.00

00:57:51.000 You have to destroy them, make them feel like the lowlife that they are.

00:57:57.000 And I'll tell you what's happened numerous times.

00:58:02.000 They'll delete their comment.

00:58:05.000 Sometimes I'll give them a chance to do the right thing.

00:58:09.000 I'll give them a chance to do the right thing. 0.96

00:58:12.000 And if they don't do the right thing, if they try to continue on that lonely road, I will hit them with the block. 0.95

00:58:24.000 And that hurts them more. 0.79

00:58:26.000 Blocking is the ultimate ignoring of a person.

00:58:31.000 When you block them.

00:58:34.000 Imagine somebody block you on their phone.

00:58:38.000 It could be somebody that you don't really care too much about, but the idea that they block you, what did I do, man?

00:58:44.000 What's going on?

00:58:45.000 Who are you to block me?

00:58:48.000 They don't like it.

00:58:49.000 It hurts them.

00:58:49.000 And that's what I try to do.

00:58:51.000 I try to make them, first of all, just really feel worse than they already feel.

00:58:59.000 And, you know, sometimes...

00:59:03.000 If I can get a suicide out of it, you know?

00:59:07.000 I have the exact opposite approach.

00:59:10.000 I don't pay attention to anything.

00:59:12.000 I think of my time as bandwidth.

00:59:15.000 I feel like if I have 100 units, that's all I have.

00:59:18.000 If I'm concentrating on something that is the most important thing in my life, like having a conversation with my daughter, doing stand-up, something that's super important, that requires 100 units.

00:59:29.000 That's all I have, all my bandwidth. 0.99

00:59:31.000 Any time I spend talking with some fucking idiot, that's just time I'm stealing from the things I love. 1.00

00:59:40.000 There's no time for that. 1.00

00:59:42.000 There's zero time.

00:59:43.000 I'm not changing people.

00:59:44.000 I might make them feel bad, but they already feel bad.

00:59:47.000 And you're not going to make me feel bad.

00:59:49.000 I know I am.

00:59:50.000 And that's beautiful.

00:59:52.000 But.

00:59:53.000 I feel a but coming.

00:59:56.000 Well, I'll give you a however.

00:59:57.000 There's some sort of a conjunction on the way.

01:00:01.000 I'll give you the however.

01:00:03.000 However is just as good. 0.98

01:00:06.000 Somehow, you know, however seems to not be as brutal as a butt. 0.97

01:00:10.000 Butt is like, you know, like... 0.96

01:00:12.000 However's got more comedy, comedic flair.

01:00:15.000 It's kind of subtle.

01:00:16.000 However!

01:00:17.000 However.

01:00:20.000 I... I think that it's possible to walk and chew bubblegum, right?

01:00:25.000 So for me, I just...

01:00:26.000 I look at it like walking and chewing bubblegum.

01:00:28.000 Like, I can do both.

01:00:31.000 I can...

01:00:34.000 Give the information to the people that want it, and that's cool about it, and keep it moving.

01:00:40.000 But every now and then, I can take a little quick pause and make him feel worse than he already feels.

01:00:49.000 Like, eh, doop, doop, block, boop.

01:00:54.000 Destroyer! 0.54

01:00:56.000 Look, one day, I was at this restaurant in Houston. 0.98

01:01:03.000 And this white dude, he's probably about 35 or something, you know, around about that white terrorist age. 0.95

01:01:12.000 White terrorist age? 0.98

01:01:15.000 White domestic terrorist age. 0.98

01:01:20.000 He comes walking up to me, right? 0.53

01:01:22.000 He's like, hey man, you Willie D? And the first thing I do is I take a step and I'm watching everything.

01:01:34.000 Now I'm really intense.

01:01:35.000 I lock in on him.

01:01:38.000 And I say, yeah.

01:01:39.000 He say, hey man, I'm the one that was on Facebook, man. 0.98

01:01:46.000 You told me my kids were ugly. 0.64

01:01:51.000 I say, yeah, that sounds like something I would have said. 0.92

01:01:54.000 I say, but what did you say?

01:01:56.000 He said, oh man, it's nothing, man.

01:01:59.000 I ain't tripping, man.

01:02:01.000 It was just social media banner, man.

01:02:04.000 That's all.

01:02:05.000 I said, alright.

01:02:07.000 But I locked in on him a little bit more to make sure.

01:02:14.000 But Yeah.

01:02:17.000 I remember when I said that.

01:02:20.000 The dude was talking reckless, so I checked out his profile, saw his little kids, saw him on there with his kids, and I was like, yeah, don't try to check me, check your baby. 1.00

01:02:36.000 Check the DNA for your little ugly ass babies. 1.00

01:02:39.000 Oh my goodness. 1.00

01:02:40.000 And it broke him.

01:02:42.000 It broke him.

01:02:44.000 Well, most trolls have private accounts.

01:02:46.000 If you ever do pay attention to your comments, if you go into their accounts, most of them block everybody. 0.98

01:02:52.000 You can't look at their pictures because they know they're out there causing shit and it's going to come blow back onto them. 1.00

01:02:57.000 They're cowards. 0.99

01:02:58.000 Most of them that don't have a picture, they have like avatars and stuff like that. 0.96

01:03:03.000 They have cartoons and a picture of a car or something.

01:03:06.000 A brick.

01:03:08.000 I don't even respond to those type of people most of the time.

01:03:12.000 I just block them.

01:03:13.000 I just immediately block them.

01:03:16.000 Because I don't feel like it's cool.

01:03:19.000 It's not a fair game.

01:03:20.000 It's not.

01:03:20.000 It's like I'm putting myself out there.

01:03:22.000 Right.

01:03:22.000 100%.

01:03:22.000 You know who I am.

01:03:23.000 You see me.

01:03:24.000 You know where I be.

01:03:26.000 But you hiding.

01:03:27.000 You low key.

01:03:28.000 You are dialed up right now.

01:03:30.000 It's hilarious.

01:03:31.000 You immediately ramped up.

01:03:33.000 When you started talking about trolls, you could see.

01:03:36.000 Did I do that?

01:03:37.000 Yes.

01:03:39.000 Intense.

01:03:39.000 You got very intense.

01:03:41.000 You enjoy it.

01:03:42.000 It's real.

01:03:42.000 Oh, it's real.

01:03:43.000 All right.

01:03:44.000 It's interesting that that guy came up to you.

01:03:48.000 Probably felt bad. 1.00

01:03:49.000 Probably felt bad for being a dick. 0.99

01:03:51.000 People see a famous person like you and they don't think you're a real person. 0.99

01:03:55.000 They feel like they got a free shot at it.

01:03:57.000 Like they could just say something and nothing's going to happen to them.

01:04:00.000 This is what people don't understand, Joe.

01:04:04.000 I love people for real.

01:04:07.000 Just on the strength of human beings.

01:04:10.000 I love people.

01:04:14.000 I love who love me, but I hate who hate me.

01:04:18.000 It's simple.

01:04:19.000 I'm not the religious dude or God forgive, turn the other cheek.

01:04:23.000 No!

01:04:24.000 That is not me.

01:04:26.000 That is not me.

01:04:27.000 It's never gonna be me.

01:04:29.000 And I'm fine with that.

01:04:31.000 People say, well, you should forgive for yourself.

01:04:35.000 How about getting some vengeance for myself?

01:04:38.000 It makes me feel better.

01:04:39.000 That's what makes me feel good.

01:04:43.000 Well, it clearly doesn't bother you.

01:04:45.000 No, it doesn't.

01:04:45.000 You seem to be enjoying it.

01:04:47.000 Everybody has a different mental constitution.

01:04:49.000 I don't want them in my head.

01:04:52.000 I have too much time.

01:04:53.000 I have too many things going on.

01:04:54.000 That's how I look at it.

01:04:55.000 But I used to engage with people all the time.

01:04:58.000 I used to treat it like writing exercises.

01:05:00.000 I would say, well, let me treat this dude like he's a heckler. 1.00

01:05:03.000 And just fuck him up like a heckler. 0.99

01:05:05.000 But then after a while, I'm like, this is robbing me of my time. 1.00

01:05:08.000 That's how I look at it.

01:05:09.000 But when they come to your platform, you have the ultimate power.

01:05:12.000 It's like having the mic and being a comic.

01:05:14.000 You know how that go.

01:05:15.000 You got the mic.

01:05:17.000 The dude in the audience has no chance of winning.

01:05:20.000 Right.

01:05:21.000 No matter what he says, I mean, you get to drown him out.

01:05:24.000 You got the mic.

01:05:25.000 Yes.

01:05:25.000 So when somebody comes onto your social media account, you have the mic.

01:05:31.000 They cannot win.

01:05:32.000 I understand.

01:05:35.000 I'm looking forward to it.

01:05:38.000 Well, he basically threw the bat signal out for trolls.

01:05:41.000 They're all going to come swarming towards Willie D's page now.

01:05:45.000 No, they're not.

01:05:45.000 You know why they're not?

01:05:46.000 Because they don't... 0.99

01:05:47.000 Trolls are bullies. 0.99

01:05:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:50.000 They're just like any typical bully. 1.00

01:05:53.000 You have to bully bullies. 0.77

01:05:55.000 Bullies don't like to be bullied.

01:05:57.000 They don't like hard fights.

01:05:59.000 Yeah.

01:06:00.000 They like easy fights.

01:06:01.000 Right.

01:06:02.000 Bullies only strike when they have a clear-cut advantage. 0.98

01:06:06.000 Right.

01:06:06.000 Size, numbers, weaponry.

01:06:09.000 Yeah.

01:06:10.000 And when they think that they have someone who is afraid, it's the only time they strike.

01:06:18.000 You have to understand the psyche of a bully.

01:06:20.000 You know how I understand that?

01:06:22.000 I used to be one.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:25.000 I used to be a bully.

01:06:27.000 I was a bully till seventh grade, but I backed up off of it.

01:06:33.000 When did you start boxing?

01:06:34.000 What year?

01:06:36.000 I was 11, so whatever that was, 77?

01:06:40.000 That's right around 7th grade.

01:06:41.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 So that's when you probably figure... 0.99

01:06:45.000 Listen, I was an angry fucking kid until I started doing martial arts. 0.99

01:06:49.000 I was around 14. Once you can figure out how to get your aggression out and also realize you get humbled. 0.99

01:06:56.000 Get your ass kicked a bunch of times. 0.99

01:06:59.000 Get humbled and you realize there is no reason to be angry for no reason. 1.00

01:07:04.000 Right.

01:07:04.000 And you understand that...

01:07:08.000 It's almost like you understand that you're going to have conflict at some point.

01:07:14.000 When you do, you just reserve all your energy for that.

01:07:19.000 You don't waste your energy.

01:07:21.000 You don't waste your resources.

01:07:25.000 It's such thing as being calculative and picking your battles, right?

01:07:29.000 And so that's what you do.

01:07:32.000 It's like when you box, You don't have anything to prove.

01:07:35.000 Everybody knows you box. 1.00

01:07:36.000 Everybody knows you whoop ass. 1.00

01:07:37.000 That's what you do for a living. 1.00

01:07:38.000 You whoop ass. 1.00

01:07:39.000 That's what you do. 1.00

01:07:40.000 So everybody knows.

01:07:41.000 So you have nothing to prove.

01:07:43.000 And so...

01:07:45.000 You want to save your energy, you got a fight coming up.

01:07:48.000 You don't want to mess your hands up.

01:07:50.000 You don't want to mess your knuckles up.

01:07:52.000 You don't even want to get yourself injured in no kind of way.

01:07:56.000 Plus, you're tired.

01:07:57.000 You're tired from training all the time.

01:07:59.000 Well, but you can muster up the energy to not fool out if you have to.

01:08:02.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:03.000 But the point is, when you are...

01:08:07.000 When you fight, you know.

01:08:10.000 Like, my hands are still registered.

01:08:12.000 I know what I can do with my hands. 0.98

01:08:15.000 I know that I can kill somebody.

01:08:17.000 And so, the liability is much greater for me than anybody or some regular dude, just a couple regular dudes in the streets fighting.

01:08:27.000 It's just a regular fight.

01:08:29.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 But if I fight, the prosecutor would just, aren't your hands registered, Mr. Dennis?

01:08:40.000 And you knew your hands was registered.

01:08:42.000 Do you actually have to go somewhere to register your hands?

01:08:45.000 Can you hold your hands up?

01:08:47.000 Well, they do it when you fight.

01:08:50.000 So when you registered a box.

01:08:51.000 Yeah.

01:08:52.000 When you register for a fight, like pro fighting.

01:08:55.000 Right.

01:08:55.000 Yeah.

01:08:56.000 So then they say, okay, you are a professional fighter.

01:08:59.000 You have a higher liability if you enter into some sort of a conflict.

01:09:02.000 Exactly.

01:09:02.000 Yeah.

01:09:04.000 Well, if you beat somebody up, for sure, they're going to go on the internet.

01:09:07.000 They're going to go, look at this.

01:09:09.000 This ain't fair.

01:09:11.000 Yeah, there's so many people out there that could benefit from learning how to fight.

01:09:15.000 And there's this funny thing that I always tell people.

01:09:17.000 The best way to get rid of bullies is to teach bullies how to fight. 0.74

01:09:21.000 The problem with most bullies is they're trying to boost up their own confidence by intimidating and diminishing other people.

01:09:28.000 But they're really lacking confidence. 1.00

01:09:30.000 If you taught them how to fight, they would abandon all that shit. 1.00

01:09:34.000 The baddest motherfuckers are very rarely bullies. 1.00

01:09:36.000 Occasionally. 0.99

01:09:38.000 Occasionally you got some real tough dudes that just enjoy hurting people because they've been hurt so much in their life. 0.99

01:09:43.000 No matter what, even just learning how to fight is not enough to eliminate whatever bullshit they have rolling around in their head. 0.90

01:09:50.000 Speaking of fighting, speaking of old dudes fighting, Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. this weekend, what do you think of that? 0.96

01:09:59.000 Woo! 0.99

01:10:00.000 Interesting.

01:10:00.000 Crazy, right?

01:10:01.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 I think it's not too crazy to me, you know, because I know they're fighters and, you know, they...

01:10:09.000 A fighter is...

01:10:12.000 As long as a fighter knows that people want to watch, they'll get in the ring if the money is right.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 But Roy fought as recently as two years ago.

01:10:22.000 Yeah.

01:10:22.000 Yeah, but it's still ring rust.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 Not as much as Tyson.

01:10:28.000 Right.

01:10:28.000 It's still ring rust.

01:10:30.000 And so it's going to be interesting, man, because both guys are not just champions, but they are Hall of Fame champions.

01:10:41.000 Most people that I've heard talk say Roy's going to get ran through.

01:10:47.000 I don't know.

01:10:48.000 I don't know what's gonna happen.

01:10:49.000 I think it's gonna boil down to which one of them are more prepared.

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:55.000 That's what I think is going to happen.

01:10:57.000 It's going to come down to who's more prepared.

01:11:01.000 Well, they definitely have different sizes.

01:11:04.000 You know, Roy's a legend.

01:11:06.000 They're both legends.

01:11:07.000 But Roy championed at 168 pounds, championed at 175, beat Ruiz at, he was about 200 when he won the heavyweight title.

01:11:14.000 But he was never really like a big guy.

01:11:16.000 He was not a natural heavyweight.

01:11:18.000 Tyson's a tank.

01:11:19.000 Right.

01:11:20.000 Physically, he's a different person.

01:11:21.000 And I don't like that they're switching it to two-minute rounds.

01:11:24.000 That drives me crazy.

01:11:26.000 But how many rounds is it?

01:11:27.000 Eight.

01:11:28.000 Eight two-minute rounds.

01:11:29.000 Well, that just means more action.

01:11:32.000 Yeah.

01:11:33.000 It does.

01:11:34.000 But a guy like Roy, and one of the things that Roy said is that he wants to drag Tyson out.

01:11:41.000 He's like, if Tyson's going to beat me, he's going to beat me quick.

01:11:44.000 He's like, I want this fight to go.

01:11:46.000 He goes, I want to get him tired.

01:11:48.000 And I have much more of a chance to get him tired if he's fighting three-minute rounds.

01:11:52.000 He's like, we're grown men.

01:11:53.000 And I guess the WBC was pointing to Julio Cesar Chavez, I think, had a boxing exhibition recently.

01:12:02.000 I think it was Chavez.

01:12:03.000 It was some legend that was retired that had a boxing exhibition recently, and he was real tired.

01:12:11.000 And their thought was, you know what, instead of letting them get this tired, let's make them just fight shorter rounds.

01:12:18.000 But Roy's like, well this is like what women fight. 1.00

01:12:20.000 The women fight two minute rounds. 1.00

01:12:21.000 So it got, shit got sexual. 1.00

01:12:24.000 So sexist. 1.00

01:12:27.000 But he didn't, I don't think Tyson wanted two minute rounds either.

01:12:30.000 Yeah, it would have been nice.

01:12:32.000 What's up, Jamie?

01:12:32.000 There's some rules.

01:12:33.000 Have you seen the rules for the fight?

01:12:34.000 Well, there's no judges and there's no decision.

01:12:37.000 Celebrity judges, they said.

01:12:37.000 Celebrity judges?

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:38.000 What kind of celebrities?

01:12:39.000 They haven't announced that yet.

01:12:40.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:12:41.000 And there's no winner going to be announced.

01:12:42.000 Well, there's going to be a winner if Mike Tyson connects on Roy's face or if Roy connects on Mike Tyson's face and knocks him out.

01:12:49.000 Any cut?

01:12:50.000 Any cut?

01:12:51.000 It says bad cut, it says, but... 0.99

01:12:53.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

01:12:55.000 It should be a boxing match. 0.99

01:12:57.000 These are legends.

01:12:58.000 They both get a belt when it's over.

01:12:59.000 Oh no, no.

01:13:00.000 We can't have participation trophies.

01:13:01.000 That's what it is.

01:13:02.000 But what happens if someone gets knocked out?

01:13:04.000 There's no winner.

01:13:05.000 Listen, if Tyson knocks him out, he wins.

01:13:10.000 If Roy knocks Tyson out, he wins.

01:13:12.000 This is nonsense. 1.00

01:13:14.000 Listen, I think to get it sanctioned in California, they had to agree to some stupid shit. 1.00

01:13:18.000 I guarantee you, when that ding, when that bell goes off, that is going to be a fucking fight. 1.00

01:13:24.000 Mike Tyson is not fighting any exhibitions. 0.98

01:13:27.000 He's gonna come bobbing and weaving, swinging death with each hand, and Roy Jones Jr. is gonna be moving and throwing that nasty left hook and let the best man win.

01:13:38.000 But that is going to be a fight.

01:13:39.000 I cannot imagine those two legends are just gonna move around.

01:13:44.000 Like, if you watch Roy Jones Jr. hit the pads, have you seen him hit the pads lately? 0.93

01:13:47.000 He looks fucking fantastic. 0.99

01:13:49.000 He's fast as shit. 0.99

01:13:51.000 His hands look amazing. 0.99

01:13:52.000 Mike looks amazing.

01:13:53.000 I mean, both of them look like they're taking this very seriously. 0.96

01:13:57.000 I can't imagine a world where someone doesn't connect and some crazy shit doesn't happen. 0.96

01:14:03.000 Yeah, um... 0.96

01:14:06.000 Man, this is one of those things, man.

01:14:08.000 I gotta see it.

01:14:09.000 Yes!

01:14:10.000 That's what I'm saying!

01:14:11.000 I gotta see this, man.

01:14:12.000 Well, you were gonna go, right?

01:14:13.000 Yeah, I was going to go, man.

01:14:15.000 I was going to go, too.

01:14:16.000 Then, you know, they said there won't be any people allowed.

01:14:20.000 Yeah.

01:14:21.000 And I was going to go down there for the weigh-in and everything.

01:14:24.000 Want to hear something crazy?

01:14:25.000 The distance that we are apart from each other on this table, I was going to make it closer because this new studio is a little more compact.

01:14:34.000 But I had Mike in at the last podcast.

01:14:37.000 Mike's been on twice.

01:14:38.000 He was on once about 11 months ago.

01:14:41.000 And when he was on 11 months ago, he said he couldn't even work out.

01:14:44.000 He goes, if I work out, my ego will get ignited.

01:14:46.000 And then I just want to destroy again.

01:14:48.000 I want to be the Mike Tyson of old.

01:14:50.000 I don't want to have nothing to do with that.

01:14:52.000 That's my past.

01:14:53.000 I'm done.

01:14:53.000 Wow.

01:14:54.000 Then, I think his wife called him fat, and he started working out.

01:14:59.000 And he goes, I started out with like 15 minutes on the treadmill.

01:15:01.000 Next thing you know, I'm doing two hours.

01:15:03.000 So he's doing two hours on the treadmill.

01:15:06.000 He gets in tremendous shape, and then someone says, you know, would you box?

01:15:10.000 He goes, oh, I'm not boxing anybody.

01:15:12.000 And then they go, what about for $30 million?

01:15:16.000 What?

01:15:16.000 30 million?

01:15:18.000 And so he decides.

01:15:19.000 Is this today?

01:15:19.000 Is that what they're each getting?

01:15:20.000 That's just a shirt I checked.

01:15:21.000 Oh, wow.

01:15:22.000 So he lost almost 100 pounds.

01:15:24.000 That's incredible.

01:15:25.000 Yeah, he was probably pushing 300 pounds at one point.

01:15:28.000 Not when I saw him.

01:15:29.000 Not 11 months ago, he wasn't.

01:15:31.000 No, probably overall.

01:15:32.000 But 11 months ago, he was probably about maybe 250 or something like that.

01:15:38.000 So he definitely lost about 30 pounds.

01:15:41.000 So the distance between us is because he was so amped up.

01:15:46.000 It was like a different human being.

01:15:48.000 The first time we were smoking weed, he's relaxed.

01:15:51.000 He's got Tyson Ranch now.

01:15:53.000 He's selling his own weed. 1.00

01:15:54.000 By the way, strong as shit. 1.00

01:15:57.000 His weed is like his punches. 1.00

01:15:58.000 They're no fucking joke. 0.99

01:16:00.000 So first podcast we did, we got barbecued. 0.99

01:16:03.000 We had a great time. 0.98

01:16:04.000 I'm like, holy shit, I'm getting high with Mike Tyson. 0.99

01:16:06.000 Second podcast we did, he was so intense. 1.00

01:16:10.000 And we were talking about great conquerors and shit. 0.99

01:16:12.000 He was talking about all these different things. 0.99

01:16:14.000 And I'm like, I'm nervous in the room with him.

01:16:17.000 He's so amped up.

01:16:19.000 His forearms, his whole body changed.

01:16:23.000 He's got golf balls under this forearm muscle.

01:16:26.000 He had just been training.

01:16:28.000 And you could tell he's like Mike Tyson of all.

01:16:31.000 His mindset, whether or not he's physically capable of it, His mindset is like the Mike Tyson of old.

01:16:37.000 It was legitimately nervous to be in the room with him.

01:16:41.000 Because I was just like, wow!

01:16:43.000 Like, he's ready!

01:16:45.000 He's ready to go right now!

01:16:47.000 And I'm like, you know what?

01:16:47.000 I'm gonna make my table a little wider.

01:16:50.000 Because if I was even closer to him than this, because this is the exact distance of the old table.

01:16:56.000 But the new table, I was like, I'm going to make it about a foot closer.

01:17:00.000 But if I was a foot closer to Mike like this, I'd probably be nervous.

01:17:04.000 I'd be more nervous.

01:17:06.000 It wasn't COVID or anything.

01:17:07.000 No, it was Mike Tyson.

01:17:09.000 He was so intense.

01:17:10.000 I'm like, in order for me to do my best job of communicating with people, in case I'm across from some amped-up killer like Mike Tyson, it's not like I think he's going to hurt me, but you get nervous.

01:17:27.000 And Jamie said it best after he left.

01:17:30.000 You were like, that was a totally different person.

01:17:33.000 I was nervous.

01:17:36.000 I wasn't that close.

01:17:37.000 I know, man.

01:17:38.000 He's amped up.

01:17:39.000 I'm trying to find this video.

01:17:41.000 I'm trying to surprise you with this video, man, if I can find it.

01:17:45.000 Is it of him?

01:17:46.000 No, no.

01:17:46.000 This is something else.

01:17:48.000 He's...

01:17:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:49.000 Okay.

01:17:50.000 Mike, thank you very much.

01:17:51.000 Next time, I'll have you come in by yourself.

01:17:54.000 I'd love to see you.

01:17:55.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 Well, we're going to do dinner at 6 o'clock.

01:17:57.000 Okay.

01:17:57.000 Beautiful.

01:17:58.000 Beautiful.

01:17:59.000 Awesome.

01:17:59.000 Well, thank you, Mike.

01:18:00.000 Yeah.

01:18:01.000 All right, Mike.

01:18:01.000 All right.

01:18:03.000 Mike Judge, ladies and gentlemen.

01:18:04.000 Mike Judge.

01:18:07.000 But yeah, so that's the reason why this table is so far apart.

01:18:11.000 I'm interested because, you know, Evander Holyfield wants to fight him too.

01:18:14.000 And Evander Holyfield has been steady training ever since Mike decided to come out of retirement.

01:18:19.000 And I've been watching that.

01:18:20.000 I've been paying attention to Evander's social media.

01:18:23.000 I think that this is going to awaken a lot of sleeping giants.

01:18:28.000 Yeah.

01:18:29.000 Like, I can see.

01:18:31.000 Because Holyfield was supposed to fight him the first time.

01:18:35.000 Really?

01:18:35.000 Initially, this was supposed to be a Holyfield Mike Tyson thing, I believe.

01:18:42.000 Well, Mike said they offered him a bunch of different people, but he didn't say Holyfield.

01:18:46.000 He said they offered him Bob Sapp.

01:18:47.000 Oh, okay.

01:18:48.000 At one point in time, and then there's a few different...

01:18:51.000 And Shannon the Cannon was trying to get in on it. 1.00

01:18:53.000 You know, Shannon was trying to... 0.60

01:18:54.000 Like, a lot of people don't want to fight Shannon.

01:18:57.000 Right.

01:18:58.000 He's got a real hard time getting fights, which is unfortunate because, you know, Shannon's still got talent.

01:19:05.000 And he's been wanting to fight people for quite a while now.

01:19:09.000 But, you know, with this, they're all, you know, it's this weird situation where I feel like a person should be able to do whatever they wanted to. 0.92

01:19:17.000 You know, if people can go bungee jumping, people can ride bulls, people can do all sorts of crazy shit.

01:19:22.000 Like, why are we trying to stop legends from fighting?

01:19:25.000 Well, they don't want the liability.

01:19:26.000 Yeah.

01:19:27.000 You know, if somebody go out there and get hurt, you know, first thing, everybody's going to look for somebody to blame.

01:19:33.000 And the family's going to be like...

01:19:35.000 You should have never let him get out there.

01:19:38.000 100 million dollars.

01:19:39.000 WBA, WBC, IBF, whoever's...

01:19:42.000 Who's sanctioning this?

01:19:43.000 I think it's WBC. They have a weird belt.

01:19:47.000 What is the belt called?

01:19:48.000 It's like some weird name to the belt.

01:19:52.000 Some legends or something like that or something.

01:19:56.000 Yeah.

01:19:57.000 I just...

01:19:57.000 I don't like the idea of both guys getting a belt.

01:19:59.000 That seems ridiculous. 0.55

01:20:01.000 No, no. 0.91

01:20:01.000 That's not a good idea. 0.91

01:20:02.000 Both guys should get a paycheck, but they should be a winner.

01:20:05.000 Frontline heavyweight title.

01:20:06.000 The frontline heavyweight title.

01:20:09.000 Well, it will be interesting if they decide to do a Legends tour, because it's one of the things that Mike came on to talk about.

01:20:14.000 He wanted to have Legends play basketball, Legends play baseball, Legends.

01:20:19.000 Like, you know, guys who you grew up watching, and they still want to do it.

01:20:22.000 They still want to compete.

01:20:23.000 And maybe they can't compete with young guys, but you could still watch them compete against guys of their era.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, that would be kind of like what Ice Cube is doing with the Big Three, the basketball league.

01:20:35.000 Yes.

01:20:36.000 Yes.

01:20:36.000 Very similar.

01:20:37.000 Very similar.

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:39.000 He get the right kind of guys.

01:20:41.000 I mean, yeah, people would watch that.

01:20:43.000 Yeah.

01:20:43.000 But the thing about it is the only difference is that you go play basketball, maybe you have a sore back, your knees a little swollen or whatever.

01:20:52.000 You go in there and get in that ring, it might not come out.

01:20:55.000 Yes.

01:20:56.000 That's true.

01:20:56.000 That boxing is something.

01:20:58.000 That's true.

01:20:58.000 That's a total different beast.

01:20:59.000 Yeah.

01:21:01.000 I can see somebody getting hurt though.

01:21:03.000 100%.

01:21:03.000 I think someone's going to get hurt.

01:21:05.000 Somebody will be hurt.

01:21:06.000 I think someone's going to get hurt.

01:21:07.000 I think both of them know someone's going to get hurt.

01:21:09.000 You know?

01:21:11.000 And...

01:21:13.000 I think they're okay with that.

01:21:15.000 You know, Roy said on the show that if he dies boxing, he'll be happy.

01:21:19.000 He said, if that's how I die, he goes, I'm a warrior.

01:21:21.000 If that is how I die, he goes, that's what I love to do.

01:21:25.000 If that's how I die, I'll die happy.

01:21:27.000 That is what he said on the podcast.

01:21:29.000 And he didn't say it to be braggadocious or to be full of bluster.

01:21:35.000 He was sincere.

01:21:36.000 I mean, he's a multiple division world champion legend.

01:21:42.000 Who will go down in history is without a doubt one of the greatest fighters of all time.

01:21:45.000 Yeah.

01:21:46.000 Yeah, I think if you can go on your terms, man, that's the way to go, however.

01:21:50.000 We all go.

01:21:50.000 However that is.

01:21:51.000 Yeah, we all go.

01:21:53.000 And that's how his perspective was.

01:21:55.000 He's like, we all die.

01:21:56.000 If he dies that way, then so be it.

01:21:59.000 Do you have two phones?

01:22:00.000 I can respect that.

01:22:01.000 No, this is Mack Ola's phone.

01:22:04.000 Oh.

01:22:05.000 I think he's probably looking for it.

01:22:09.000 Yeah.

01:22:10.000 I was confused.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, I hope no one gets hurt.

01:22:13.000 I hope no one dies, obviously.

01:22:15.000 But I feel like they should have the right to do whatever they want to do.

01:22:18.000 These guys are legends.

01:22:20.000 I feel like with Mike Tyson, his glory days were probably beyond anything that anybody else other than him or maybe some other world champions could comprehend what that must have been like.

01:22:32.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 You know, for people that didn't grow up during that era like you and I did, when, you know, Sports Illustrated just sent me the cover of Sports Illustrated back when he was 19. It said Kid Dynamite.

01:22:44.000 Yeah, I saw you post that on Instagram.

01:22:46.000 Because I remember that.

01:22:47.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 I remember I bought that Sports Illustrated.

01:22:49.000 I'm like, wow.

01:22:50.000 Oh, 19. This is crazy.

01:22:52.000 And then I remember watching him fight on TV and I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:22:55.000 Because he would send people flying. 0.97

01:22:57.000 Like, people don't remember.

01:22:59.000 When he was coming up and he would be on television, like ABC Wide World of Sports, when he knocked out Marvis Frazier, he was a destroyer.

01:23:07.000 It was like nothing we had ever seen before.

01:23:09.000 Like, the heavyweight division had gotten boring.

01:23:11.000 You know, there were some good fighters, you know, but it was boring in comparison to what Mike Tyson was doing.

01:23:18.000 Yeah.

01:23:19.000 He's...

01:23:20.000 In my opinion, the last great, really exciting heavyweight, him and Holyfield.

01:23:29.000 I'm talking about exciting.

01:23:32.000 Every time out, you don't know what's going to happen, but you know they're going to give it.

01:23:36.000 They're going to bring it.

01:23:37.000 You get those goosebumps when the first bell's about to ring.

01:23:41.000 It's just beautiful watching those dudes fight.

01:23:44.000 I was never a Lennox Lewis fan.

01:23:45.000 Never.

01:23:46.000 Never.

01:23:47.000 If you met him, you'd be a fan.

01:23:49.000 He's a great dude.

01:23:50.000 And he's thinking about coming back too.

01:23:52.000 They're starting to throw some money at Lennox.

01:23:54.000 What I didn't like about Lennox was that it was just a jab and then overhand right.

01:24:00.000 Just keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, keep you at bay, and then bam. 1.00

01:24:04.000 I just wanted more excitement.

01:24:06.000 And I heard that about Lennox.

01:24:09.000 I heard that he's a great guy.

01:24:11.000 But I like to see danger.

01:24:14.000 I want to see something really like I like to see explosiveness.

01:24:20.000 I understand.

01:24:21.000 But he landed, when he landed, it was explosive.

01:24:25.000 But he just played it smart.

01:24:27.000 I know.

01:24:28.000 Especially after Emmanuel Stewart started training him.

01:24:30.000 He played it cautious.

01:24:31.000 Yes.

01:24:32.000 But I thought he was too cautious of a fighter.

01:24:35.000 I just thought he was too cautious.

01:24:37.000 And not even like...

01:24:40.000 Not even cautious like Floyd Mayweather, because Floyd is very cautious too, but Floyd knows how to go in and put on a show too.

01:24:47.000 Floyd is a different kind of cautious in that Floyd can stand right in front of you and be cautious.

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:51.000 He's got a whole different kind of game.

01:24:54.000 With that shoulder roll and his understanding of movement and where the punches are coming from, Floyd can stand right in front of you and still be safe.

01:25:01.000 He's an unusual dude that doesn't get nearly enough respect.

01:25:04.000 Yeah.

01:25:05.000 The average person that doesn't really totally understand boxing, when you're watching him, you're just hoping someone gets knocked out, those kind of people, you don't know what he's doing.

01:25:14.000 But if you're a boxing fan and you watch him, you're like, Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:25:18.000 He's been hit hard maybe four times in his whole fucking career. 0.99

01:25:23.000 I mean, it's amazing. 0.99

01:25:24.000 I was just watching the Sugar Shane fight.

01:25:28.000 He cracked him.

01:25:29.000 Yeah, he cracked him.

01:25:29.000 But Floyd immediately held on, came back, and started boxing his ears off.

01:25:34.000 Yeah, he recovered.

01:25:35.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 Now, Floyd's a master.

01:25:37.000 He's a master.

01:25:37.000 Yeah.

01:25:38.000 No matter what anybody says about him, I mean, also a master troll.

01:25:42.000 Like, became super famous and super successful by getting people to root for him to lose.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 I mean, it's half of his thing. 1.00

01:25:51.000 It's like talking tons of shit, showing you all his money, showing you all his cars, and then fucking up the guy you're hoping is going to beat him. 1.00

01:26:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:01.000 Florida's like, you're right. 0.77

01:26:02.000 You know, I never thought of Florida as a troll, but if he's a troll, he's the troll that only responds once.

01:26:11.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:26:12.000 Like, you put it out there.

01:26:14.000 If you got something, you don't like what he did, he'll come back.

01:26:19.000 Say what he gotta say, and then bam, he gone into the stratosphere to go do something else big and put that in your face.

01:26:26.000 Yeah.

01:26:27.000 Yeah.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, he doesn't go back to those old guys.

01:26:31.000 Right.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:33.000 I'm interested to see what he's going to do, because apparently he's going to come back.

01:26:36.000 One of the things about Floyd is he loves to spend money.

01:26:39.000 And no matter how much money you make, and he's made over a billion dollars in his career, a guy like that, even though he's 40 years old, he could burn through that, which just sounds crazy that you could burn through a billion dollars.

01:26:50.000 But you ever seen his garage...

01:26:52.000 It's just Bentley, Bentley, Bentley, Ferrari, Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce.

01:26:57.000 He probably got 100 cars.

01:26:58.000 Each one of them is worth $300,000. 1.00

01:27:01.000 You start doing the math on that, you're like, holy shit. 0.99

01:27:04.000 You could burn through a billion dollars. 0.99

01:27:06.000 Well, I think, what did Tyson say he burned through?

01:27:09.000 Hundreds of millions.

01:27:09.000 200 million?

01:27:10.000 Hundreds of millions, yeah.

01:27:11.000 So if Tyson can burn through 200 million, or 300, or 400, whatever it was...

01:27:17.000 Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

01:27:19.000 It's crazy, though.

01:27:20.000 It seems impossible, but it's possible.

01:27:23.000 No, it's totally possible.

01:27:25.000 The way Floyd lives, I mean, I just don't...

01:27:28.000 I mean, who knows?

01:27:30.000 Maybe he leases some of them.

01:27:31.000 Maybe he's very smart about it.

01:27:33.000 Maybe a lot of it is for show, so he gives people the impression that he's going to run out of money.

01:27:37.000 Even a lease on those type of things is very expensive.

01:27:40.000 Very expensive.

01:27:41.000 That stuff is expensive.

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:42.000 You've got to think about it.

01:27:45.000 If you're leasing...

01:27:48.000 Let's say a $200,000 vehicle.

01:27:51.000 Yeah.

01:27:52.000 You know, you're still looking at 10 racks.

01:27:55.000 Yes.

01:27:56.000 You know?

01:27:57.000 Every month.

01:27:58.000 Yeah.

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 When you consider the tax, I mean not the tax, but when you consider the lease and the insurance on those things, you know, you're talking about minimum.

01:28:11.000 Yeah, it's a lot of money.

01:28:12.000 Yeah.

01:28:13.000 And then he's got watches. 0.98

01:28:14.000 His watches are ridiculous. 0.95

01:28:15.000 He's got watches that are worth more than a million dollars. 0.97

01:28:19.000 But also, that's part of his PR. His PR is he's Floyd Money Mayweather.

01:28:26.000 He's got to show the money.

01:28:28.000 Got to show the money.

01:28:29.000 Got to put the money in your face.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, and he'll tell you, this is for the haters.

01:28:34.000 This is for the haters.

01:28:35.000 I want to show you this.

01:28:36.000 And he'll take you on a tour of all those cars.

01:28:39.000 So people that are like, ah, they want him to lose.

01:28:41.000 They get so angry.

01:28:43.000 I was at the Floyd Mayweather.

01:28:44.000 There he is.

01:28:45.000 Oh, this is when Mike Tyson walked up to him and flexed on him.

01:28:49.000 Him and Mike Tyson apparently had had some words and Mike had said some negative things about him.

01:28:56.000 That's an uncomfortable feeling if you're Floyd.

01:28:59.000 I thought it happened yesterday.

01:29:02.000 No, it was like 2017 or something.

01:29:04.000 It was quite a while ago.

01:29:06.000 Yeah, I was going around.

01:29:08.000 Tyson has said some things about him in the past.

01:29:11.000 But I'm interested to see what he does.

01:29:14.000 Because Manny Pacquiao just beat Keith Thurman.

01:29:19.000 And that's a respectable victory.

01:29:22.000 That's a huge victory for a 40-year-old guy.

01:29:27.000 Who's that?

01:29:27.000 Manny Pacquiao.

01:29:28.000 He just beat Keith Thurman.

01:29:30.000 He did?

01:29:31.000 Yeah.

01:29:31.000 When?

01:29:32.000 A couple months ago?

01:29:34.000 Four months ago?

01:29:34.000 Five months ago?

01:29:35.000 What was it?

01:29:36.000 Pre-COVID or during COVID? It might have been pre-COVID. It might have been like right around March or something like that.

01:29:46.000 That's interesting. 0.95

01:29:47.000 So they're talking about that rematch because, you know, the first time they fought, apparently Manny had a fucked up shoulder. 0.97

01:29:55.000 I still cannot. 0.95

01:29:56.000 What are you trying to find?

01:29:57.000 I can't find it.

01:29:59.000 What's that?

01:30:00.000 Oh, no.

01:30:00.000 What are you trying to find?

01:30:01.000 So that was this other match that I wanted to show you.

01:30:04.000 From you?

01:30:04.000 Yeah.

01:30:05.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:06.000 Yeah.

01:30:07.000 I can't seem to find it, though.

01:30:09.000 Well, send it to me later and I'll put it up on my Instagram.

01:30:11.000 I will.

01:30:12.000 Okay.

01:30:12.000 I will.

01:30:13.000 Here it is.

01:30:14.000 Conor McGregor versus Manny Pacquiao.

01:30:16.000 Fight will definitely happen, says manager. 1.00

01:30:19.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

01:30:20.000 What manager? 1.00

01:30:21.000 Who says that?

01:30:22.000 Who's the manager?

01:30:23.000 Scroll down. 1.00

01:30:24.000 Let me see if this manager's full of shit. 1.00

01:30:26.000 Who is it? 1.00

01:30:27.000 Does it say Conor McGregor's manager?

01:30:31.000 Oh.

01:30:31.000 I mean, is this a testament of how bad boxing has really gotten now, man?

01:30:36.000 No, you know what it is?

01:30:37.000 We've got to go back and get dudes that are washed up MMA fighters, you know, like, I mean, well, I won't say washed up, but got washed by a rival of yours in boxing already.

01:30:51.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 Try to do this again.

01:30:53.000 We've already seen this fight.

01:30:54.000 I think it's just for money.

01:30:56.000 Yeah, of course.

01:31:16.000 Conor's a very athletic, very fast, and powerful guy.

01:31:19.000 In the first couple of rounds, he's always dangerous.

01:31:22.000 Just because he hits hard and he's fast, but he doesn't have the efficiency or the fluidity like a world champion boxer like a Floyd Mayweather or a Manny Pacquiao.

01:31:32.000 It's just not the same.

01:31:34.000 The idea that a guy with one professional fight ever as a boxer, and it's against Floyd Mayweather?

01:31:40.000 Yeah.

01:31:42.000 That's crazy!

01:31:43.000 And this would be his second one.

01:31:45.000 But it is pretty amazing that he made it to the 10th round.

01:31:48.000 That's pretty crazy too.

01:31:51.000 I don't think it went 10 rounds.

01:31:53.000 I believe it did.

01:31:54.000 I think he stopped him in the 9th or 10th round.

01:31:56.000 It was quite a while.

01:31:58.000 Because I remember a lot of people thought that Floyd placed a bet that the fight would go to the 10th round because there were some crazy odds.

01:32:04.000 Yeah.

01:32:05.000 Because Floyd was an enormous favorite.

01:32:09.000 I mean, what was the favorite?

01:32:11.000 I mean, he was probably like, I've got to imagine he was like a 50-1 favorite or something crazy.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:16.000 What were the odds of the Manny Pacquiao?

01:32:18.000 25-1.

01:32:19.000 That's it?

01:32:20.000 Perfect.

01:32:22.000 I mean, a 1 to 25 favorite is how you word that, technically.

01:32:25.000 That's crazy that that's it.

01:32:27.000 I would have thought it would have been like Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas, which was like 60 to 1 or something crazy.

01:32:33.000 That makes more sense to me.

01:32:35.000 Because, like, you know, Conor could have won.

01:32:37.000 I mean, anything's possible. 0.99

01:32:39.000 Weird shit happens when two dudes decide to punch each other in the face. 0.98

01:32:43.000 Yeah, you're right. 0.99

01:32:44.000 I mean, you're talking about two professionals.

01:32:46.000 Anytime you get in the ring, somebody throwing punches.

01:32:49.000 Yeah.

01:32:50.000 A person always has a chance, even against the greatest.

01:32:53.000 Yeah, it's not a good chance.

01:32:55.000 But it's a chance.

01:32:56.000 But it's a chance.

01:32:57.000 Anything can happen.

01:32:58.000 Because if you throw that punch and you land it...

01:33:01.000 In the right place.

01:33:03.000 Haseen Rahman, Lennox Lewis.

01:33:04.000 It's a wrap.

01:33:05.000 Yeah.

01:33:05.000 Remember that fight?

01:33:06.000 Where Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis and everybody's like, holy shit. 0.87

01:33:10.000 And I remember when he got knocked out too when Lennox came right back. 0.95

01:33:15.000 Yes.

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:17.000 Lennox starched him.

01:33:18.000 Yeah.

01:33:19.000 Yeah.

01:33:19.000 He said that was one of his finest moments.

01:33:21.000 He did.

01:33:22.000 Yeah.

01:33:22.000 Just because it was so hard to get that rematch because Rahman knew that it was...

01:33:27.000 Not likely he's going to repeat that lightning in a bottle from the first fight.

01:33:31.000 Yeah, Rockman is another good guy.

01:33:33.000 You know, he's another good guy.

01:33:35.000 Tough dude.

01:33:35.000 That's in boxing, you know?

01:33:36.000 Yeah.

01:33:37.000 I'm talking about like a good person.

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 He's got a good spirit, you know?

01:33:43.000 Do you still train?

01:33:45.000 I don't.

01:33:46.000 I don't go anywhere near the gym, but I do...

01:33:51.000 I hit the track.

01:33:52.000 Yeah?

01:33:54.000 Four to five days a week.

01:33:56.000 Really?

01:33:56.000 Three miles.

01:33:58.000 Just for health?

01:33:59.000 Just running and stuff, yeah.

01:34:01.000 Just to clear your head?

01:34:02.000 I think it's important.

01:34:03.000 To clear my head is a big part of it, but the bigger part of it is the health.

01:34:09.000 Yeah.

01:34:09.000 You know, to keep that heart pumping, keep the blood flowing good, you know, Stay ready so I ain't got to get ready.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:17.000 Yeah.

01:34:17.000 Never know.

01:34:18.000 Stay healthy too.

01:34:19.000 Never know.

01:34:20.000 Never know?

01:34:21.000 You never know.

01:34:21.000 Never know?

01:34:22.000 Like you're thinking.

01:34:23.000 Hey, you never know.

01:34:25.000 So if someone comes knocking.

01:34:26.000 You never know.

01:34:27.000 Willie, we'd like to talk to you about an opportunity.

01:34:29.000 You never know.

01:34:30.000 You never know.

01:34:31.000 You never know.

01:34:32.000 But you don't hit the bag or anything?

01:34:34.000 Nothing like that?

01:34:34.000 No?

01:34:35.000 I don't.

01:34:35.000 Don't you want to every now and then?

01:34:37.000 I do.

01:34:39.000 I do.

01:34:40.000 Every now and then.

01:34:41.000 But see, I know me.

01:34:44.000 See, if I go in the gym, I start working out, like training and stuff, I'm going to want to spar.

01:34:52.000 Yes.

01:34:53.000 Once you start getting into spar shape, sparring is different from hitting bags and running and all that stuff.

01:35:00.000 When you get in that ring and you spar, It's a different beast.

01:35:06.000 You can run five miles a day, six days a week, do a thousand sit-ups and push-ups and hit that bag for 10 rounds, 10 three-minute rounds.

01:35:23.000 You can do all that stuff.

01:35:24.000 You can do your jump rope six rounds.

01:35:26.000 You can do all that stuff.

01:35:29.000 And get in that ring the first time in the spa and you'd be lucky to get out of the first round if it's high intensity.

01:35:37.000 You know?

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 You'd be lucky to get out of that first round.

01:35:41.000 You forget to breathe.

01:35:41.000 You gotta spar.

01:35:43.000 That's how you get in fight shape.

01:35:45.000 You spar.

01:35:46.000 The gym that you came up in, was it a gym where you sparred hard or was it a gym where you sparred technical?

01:35:51.000 It was more technical because we were all on the same team and we were young.

01:35:57.000 So it was actually George Foreman's gym.

01:36:01.000 Really?

01:36:01.000 It was called the main event.

01:36:03.000 His brother, Roy Foreman, ran it.

01:36:06.000 Really?

01:36:07.000 Yeah.

01:36:07.000 Did you meet George?

01:36:08.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.000 That's a dude I'd love to meet.

01:36:13.000 George, before he made his comeback, I lived on Collinsworth Street, Collinsworth and East Tix Freeway in Houston, in these apartments called Collinsworth Apartments.

01:36:29.000 And right across the street was an empty field where a gas station used to be.

01:36:35.000 And George would be out there on Sundays preaching.

01:36:39.000 Wow!

01:36:40.000 Had a mic, PA system, but 20 chairs, two people.

01:36:46.000 Wow!

01:36:48.000 And I used to look down, like look out of the window and I looked down and I'm like, I don't want to be like him.

01:36:58.000 I remember when George was 36 and he weighed like 300 pounds and they announced that George Foreman was making a comeback and everybody laughed.

01:37:07.000 Yeah.

01:37:08.000 And I remember he was big, like real big, way overweight and he wound up winning a fight and everybody's like, oh, poor guy.

01:37:15.000 Like, look at him. 0.92

01:37:15.000 That's silly. 0.92

01:37:16.000 Well, I'm going to be the heavyweight champion of the world again. 0.99

01:37:18.000 And everyone's like, get the fuck out of here.

01:37:20.000 But then slowly, he started slimming down and flatlining people.

01:37:25.000 And then he fought Jerry Cooney.

01:37:27.000 You remember that? 1.00

01:37:28.000 And just beat the fucking shit out of him. 0.99

01:37:31.000 And everybody was like, oh my god. 1.00

01:37:34.000 Like, George Foreman...

01:37:36.000 Can crush people still at this age and then knocked out Michael Moore.

01:37:41.000 Remember that?

01:37:41.000 Right.

01:37:42.000 And that Michael Moore knockout, it looked like a flash knockdown, but it finished him.

01:37:47.000 It was like this.

01:37:48.000 But his hands are like the size of a canned ham.

01:37:52.000 They're enormous.

01:37:54.000 He had crazy power.

01:37:55.000 Like, George always had crazy power.

01:37:57.000 But the knockout of...

01:37:58.000 It's almost like he just threw his arm out there and caught him perfectly in the chin and dropped Moore.

01:38:04.000 But Moore was a light heavyweight.

01:38:05.000 He was a destroyer.

01:38:07.000 Do you remember that?

01:38:08.000 I didn't watch a lot of fights.

01:38:09.000 I think I watched Mike fight at lightweight maybe twice. 1.00

01:38:14.000 At light heavyweight, Michael Moore was a fucking murderer. 0.98

01:38:17.000 He's one of the great light heavyweights ever. 0.99

01:38:19.000 But it was just too hard for him to make that weight.

01:38:21.000 And he wanted to make the money of heavyweight.

01:38:23.000 So he moved up and went up to heavyweight.

01:38:25.000 But he was never that frame.

01:38:28.000 He didn't have that same frame.

01:38:30.000 He also seemed to be overwhelmed in that fight.

01:38:33.000 See, there is.

01:38:34.000 There is.

01:38:35.000 Boom! 0.99

01:38:36.000 Like, his eyes didn't have that will.

01:38:39.000 I didn't see that hunger in his eyes when he fought that fight.

01:38:46.000 That kind of power is just bizarre.

01:38:48.000 When you watch that punch again, watch this again.

01:38:54.000 He was winning the fight, too.

01:38:55.000 He was out boxing, George.

01:38:58.000 Boom, that's it.

01:38:59.000 That's the way he would throw that punch.

01:39:00.000 Look at how he throws it.

01:39:04.000 Just perfect execution, lands right on the button, and more is gone.

01:39:12.000 But he just never had that frame.

01:39:14.000 Shook up the world!

01:39:16.000 But that let me know also that...

01:39:21.000 You can't just underestimate people.

01:39:24.000 No.

01:39:24.000 Because, like I said, I saw the shadow of...

01:39:29.000 The former shadow of George Foreman.

01:39:35.000 You know?

01:39:37.000 And I was like...

01:39:39.000 Man, I'm thinking, like, this guy was the heavyweight champion of the world.

01:39:43.000 Now there's two people watching him preach.

01:39:45.000 Out on the corner, you know, talking to the air.

01:39:48.000 And then 20 years later, he's worth a billion dollars from a grill.

01:39:52.000 Yeah.

01:39:53.000 That George Foreman grill, he's made an insane amount of money off of that.

01:39:57.000 You know what, though?

01:40:00.000 He don't get enough credit for inspiring people.

01:40:04.000 Like, I know he didn't set out to go out and inspire people.

01:40:08.000 But people watching him come back and win that heavyweight championship at, what, 40 years old?

01:40:13.000 45, I believe.

01:40:14.000 I believe he was the oldest person ever to win the heavyweight title.

01:40:17.000 I believe he was 45. Is that right?

01:40:19.000 To see him come back and win that championship at that age, it made a lot of people think, you know what, I can do this.

01:40:28.000 And I'm sure that probably played out in Tyson and Roy's head.

01:40:33.000 Well, George did it.

01:40:34.000 There's not much difference between 45 and 51. Yeah.

01:40:38.000 Yeah.

01:40:38.000 It's kind of crazy.

01:40:40.000 George was a different kind of human being, though.

01:40:42.000 Just the way he was built. 0.95

01:40:43.000 He's such a tank.

01:40:46.000 Oh, that's right.

01:40:46.000 He had that George sitcom.

01:40:50.000 Kind of amazing, man.

01:40:51.000 I mean, he really is an American success story when you stop and think about it.

01:40:56.000 That's right.

01:40:56.000 I forgot about this sitcom.

01:40:57.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.79

01:40:58.000 It was funny because if you go back to the early days of George Foreman's career, like when he fought Muhammad Ali, he was a scary guy. 0.96

01:41:06.000 He was scary.

01:41:08.000 Everybody was terrified of him.

01:41:09.000 And then in the later incarnation of his career, he was a sweetheart.

01:41:13.000 Everybody loved him.

01:41:14.000 It's a different human being.

01:41:16.000 When he knocked out Joe Frazier, everybody was terrified of him.

01:41:19.000 He lifted Joe Frazier up in the air with punches.

01:41:22.000 He destroyed him.

01:41:24.000 And he just was this guy that was just a brooding, Sonny Liston-type character.

01:41:30.000 And then he loses to Muhammad Ali.

01:41:33.000 And then he had, I think, two more fights and then retired.

01:41:37.000 It's like, I don't want to do this anymore.

01:41:38.000 And then took a long time off.

01:41:40.000 I think it was about 10 years.

01:41:42.000 Got fat.

01:41:43.000 Became a preacher.

01:41:44.000 And that's when you saw him.

01:41:45.000 Again.

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:47.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:41:48.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 Yeah, you can't underestimate people.

01:41:52.000 Human beings, they vary so much in their will.

01:41:55.000 And some people have an indomitable will.

01:41:57.000 They figure out a way to win.

01:42:00.000 Those people are so valuable to everybody else.

01:42:03.000 Because you see a guy like that, and when you start counting yourself out, like, well, I can never do that.

01:42:09.000 Well, I can never...

01:42:09.000 And then you see a guy like that, and you go...

01:42:12.000 Almost anything's possible.

01:42:15.000 Everything's not possible.

01:42:17.000 I'm short.

01:42:18.000 I can't play basketball.

01:42:19.000 I'm not fast.

01:42:20.000 I can't jump.

01:42:21.000 I'm never going to be in the NBA. I'm 53. That's not possible.

01:42:25.000 But there's things that are possible.

01:42:29.000 They're just not likely.

01:42:32.000 And if you have a will, you can make shit possible that most people don't think is likely.

01:42:38.000 And when a person like that does things like that, when they achieve these goals that don't seem possible, it changes your idea of what's possible.

01:42:48.000 I like the possibilities.

01:42:50.000 Yes, yes.

01:42:51.000 I like.

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:53.000 I like how you broke that down.

01:42:55.000 But we need winners, man.

01:42:57.000 Winners are important.

01:42:59.000 It's not just important because people like to watch people win, but important because it gives people hope.

01:43:06.000 It gives people an understanding that there's levels to commitment.

01:43:11.000 You know who David Goggins is?

01:43:13.000 No.

01:43:14.000 David Goggins is a friend of mine.

01:43:16.000 He's a Navy SEAL that is probably one of the most inspirational people you ever run into.

01:43:21.000 And he's got this Instagram page.

01:43:23.000 And he used to be fat.

01:43:25.000 He used to be like 300 pounds.

01:43:26.000 And now he runs ultra marathons, like runs like these 240 mile races, gets done with them, does 50 push-ups.

01:43:33.000 But every day he's out there grinding and he'll make these videos and talk about The thing that's in your mind.

01:43:41.000 He made this video.

01:43:42.000 He goes, the other day, he goes, I got tired.

01:43:45.000 He goes, I didn't want to run, so I recorded myself.

01:43:48.000 And I listened to myself. 0.99

01:43:49.000 And he goes, then I played it back, and I sounded like a straight bitch. 1.00

01:43:52.000 And I'm listening to myself. 1.00

01:43:53.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:43:54.000 And I went out and ran. 1.00

01:43:55.000 And he does this all the time, because he's letting you know that he's experiencing some internal struggles.

01:44:03.000 Right.

01:44:03.000 But he overcomes those struggles...

01:44:07.000 And accomplishes his goals.

01:44:09.000 And when a person like that does those kind of things...

01:44:13.000 You gain, like the people that are like me or anybody else that's tuning into his page, you gain inspiration from that that's like super valuable.

01:44:22.000 There's Goggins.

01:44:23.000 That's him.

01:44:23.000 That's my man.

01:44:24.000 Check it out.

01:44:25.000 He's hilarious too.

01:44:26.000 He's a funny guy. 0.99

01:44:27.000 He's like real honest about, like sometimes I'll stare at my shoes, I'll stare at those motherfuckers for like a half hour before I run. 1.00

01:44:33.000 Because even though he's got an iron will, Still, procrastination and doubt and weakness will creep into his mind and fuck him. 1.00

01:44:44.000 He always wins. 0.99

01:44:45.000 He always beats it, but he's letting you know.

01:44:47.000 The battle never ends.

01:44:50.000 It never ends.

01:44:51.000 You never wake up in the morning, this indomitable person that can never, no doubt at all, you just get up.

01:44:56.000 No, he's like, no, no, no. 0.99

01:44:57.000 I stare at my fucking sneakers. 0.99

01:44:59.000 I don't want to do this, but I do it. 0.99

01:45:03.000 So when I hear about a person like that and I feel tired or weak or lazy, I recognize I'm not alone.

01:45:09.000 This is not the only person.

01:45:11.000 I'm not the only person that has these weak thoughts creep into my mind.

01:45:18.000 I'm with that.

01:45:19.000 I'm with that.

01:45:20.000 Because I go through the same thing.

01:45:22.000 What's crazy is that I know you hear it like I hear it.

01:45:26.000 People say, man, how do you do it?

01:45:29.000 They think that you are this person that's bulletproof.

01:45:34.000 You don't have those moments of self-doubt.

01:45:37.000 You know, sometimes that doubt creeps in because things aren't happening fast enough in your life, you know, how you want things to happen.

01:45:46.000 And you can't control everything, even being as influential and having the resources that we have.

01:45:53.000 You know, sometimes, you know, certain things are just out of your control.

01:45:57.000 And so, you know, you have doubt.

01:46:01.000 Doubt creeps in.

01:46:03.000 But for me, I know one of the things that makes me push forward, when I'm afraid of something, I go toward it.

01:46:16.000 Because every time that I've been afraid of a challenge, it's made me grow.

01:46:27.000 I grew from it.

01:46:29.000 I learned something.

01:46:31.000 I got something out of it.

01:46:32.000 I benefited from it.

01:46:34.000 So, sometimes I'm going in, I say, ooh, man, this is scary.

01:46:39.000 You know how they say, if your dreams aren't big enough, you're not dreaming big enough?

01:46:42.000 If your dreams don't scare you, you're not dreaming big enough?

01:46:44.000 Yeah.

01:46:45.000 That's how I am sometimes.

01:46:47.000 And I dream big.

01:46:48.000 So I'm like, Am I scared?

01:46:51.000 Hell yeah.

01:46:52.000 Okay.

01:46:52.000 I'm on the right path.

01:46:53.000 Let me just do it.

01:46:54.000 I'm just going to do it and see what happens. 0.99

01:46:57.000 Because you said that, people are going to hear that and they're going to realize you don't have to be this bulletproof person to get shit done. 0.96

01:47:06.000 To be scared is not a weakness. 0.97

01:47:08.000 It's just a part of being a human being.

01:47:11.000 And if you don't ever get scared, that means you don't ever take any chances.

01:47:15.000 And if you don't ever take any chances, you don't get anything done.

01:47:19.000 Right.

01:47:19.000 And you especially don't get anything done that's interesting.

01:47:22.000 Right.

01:47:23.000 I think it's like, it's kind of like, you know, courage being the, it's like that motivating factor that where you, you know, it's like having the courage to face your fears,

01:47:40.000 right?

01:47:40.000 Yeah.

01:47:41.000 You know, I think that's where a lot of people fall off.

01:47:46.000 A lot of people don't have courage to face their fears.

01:47:49.000 I do.

01:47:50.000 When I was growing up, I used to fight all the time.

01:47:55.000 And people thought that I was just like this brave dude.

01:48:01.000 Man, really, we don't care.

01:48:02.000 You'll fight anybody.

01:48:03.000 You'll fight anybody.

01:48:04.000 It wasn't that.

01:48:05.000 You know, like, they didn't understand.

01:48:06.000 Like, I fought so hard because I didn't want to lose.

01:48:11.000 Sometimes I was scared of these dudes that I was fighting, you know?

01:48:15.000 But I didn't want to lose.

01:48:17.000 So I fought harder.

01:48:19.000 And where I'm from, Fifth Ward, if you lose a fight, they're going to make you remember that.

01:48:28.000 For life.

01:48:29.000 Yes.

01:48:31.000 Until you do something about it.

01:48:33.000 So if you lose a fight, typically you have to fight the same person at least two times.

01:48:40.000 Two times minimum Mostly times, well, three times.

01:48:45.000 You gotta fight multiple times if you beat somebody.

01:48:50.000 Because you can be walking to the store and you can ask your friend, say, man, let me borrow five dollars.

01:48:58.000 Man, I ain't got no five dollars. 1.00

01:49:00.000 Yeah, but you got your ass whooped. 1.00

01:49:02.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:49:04.000 Oh, they'll call you out, man.

01:49:07.000 Like, they won't let you forget it.

01:49:08.000 Right.

01:49:09.000 And so you got to go back and try to redeem yourself. 0.99

01:49:13.000 And you might have to take another ass whooping. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Sometimes you might take three. 1.00

01:49:18.000 From the same person.

01:49:20.000 Because you're worried about what these other dudes are saying about you, man, and it's that pride.

01:49:25.000 A person might even be afraid, but they face that fear because they don't want...

01:49:32.000 I think the consequences sometimes are a lot worse.

01:49:36.000 The consequences can motivate you to do things, though.

01:49:39.000 The thing about losing, it's a terrible feeling, but it's one of the best things for you.

01:49:45.000 It's one of the best motivators.

01:49:47.000 If you lose, just even lose in a sparring match.

01:49:50.000 To this day, I think there's times I've been tapped out in jiu-jitsu class that I'll be driving my car. 1.00

01:49:55.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

01:49:56.000 Just out of nowhere. 1.00

01:49:56.000 I'll think about a triangle I got caught in. 1.00

01:49:58.000 I'll think about a time I tapped.

01:50:00.000 Maybe I could have got out, but I tapped early. 1.00

01:50:03.000 And it'll fuck with your head. 0.99

01:50:05.000 But those are the things that make you work harder. 1.00

01:50:07.000 I think about that shit when I'm in the gym. 1.00

01:50:09.000 I think about that shit when I'm training. 1.00

01:50:12.000 It's like... 1.00

01:50:14.000 Everything being good and all good feelings is actually bad for you.

01:50:18.000 It seems like it's good for you, but it's like eating dessert every day.

01:50:21.000 It's bad for you.

01:50:22.000 You want to have some uncomfortable...

01:50:24.000 You can lose your edge when you're comfortable.

01:50:26.000 You want some discomfort.

01:50:28.000 Discomfort is good.

01:50:30.000 It's good. 0.99

01:50:30.000 It feels like shit. 0.99

01:50:31.000 And this is what a lot of people can't get past when they're trying to achieve their goals. 0.99

01:50:35.000 They have some setbacks.

01:50:37.000 Some things don't go their way.

01:50:39.000 They have some failures.

01:50:40.000 And they feel terrible.

01:50:41.000 And they don't like that feeling.

01:50:42.000 So they just back off.

01:50:44.000 But you've got to keep going.

01:50:46.000 That's when you have to keep going.

01:50:47.000 And you will learn over time that there's a bunch of those.

01:50:51.000 You'll have a lot of failures.

01:50:53.000 They're going to come.

01:50:54.000 But as long as you keep going...

01:50:56.000 They will propel you.

01:50:58.000 That bad feeling is inevitable.

01:51:01.000 It's unavoidable.

01:51:01.000 But you have to have faith in the process.

01:51:04.000 You have to understand that that's part of the process.

01:51:07.000 Some people never internalize that those bad feelings are a part of the process.

01:51:12.000 So when they try to achieve anything, whether it's physical or a business or whatever they're trying to do, there comes a time where it doesn't work out well and they feel bad.

01:51:19.000 They feel uncomfortable and they back off.

01:51:22.000 You've got to keep going.

01:51:23.000 Yeah.

01:51:24.000 That lesson is a lesson of failure.

01:51:27.000 You've got to learn through failure.

01:51:28.000 But it's such a motivator because it feels so bad.

01:51:32.000 If you lose a fight, I've lost fights, it feels terrible.

01:51:37.000 It feels terrible.

01:51:38.000 But there's no better motivator to get you in the gym than losing a fight. 0.98

01:51:42.000 There's no better motivator to get you to keep your fucking hands up and keep moving and train correctly and fight correctly. 0.99

01:51:49.000 Perfect example. 0.98

01:51:53.000 I get into the gym after I hadn't been in the gym like 10 years, like since I boxed in amateurs.

01:52:00.000 So I'm in the gym training.

01:52:04.000 I go in, I did all of the exercising that I just talked about, hitting the bags, jump rope, and all this stuff, running miles and miles a day.

01:52:15.000 Getting in the gym, I get into a sparring match the first time, first round.

01:52:26.000 I'm sparring a guy who's a heavyweight.

01:52:29.000 At the time, I'm fighting lightweight.

01:52:31.000 I'm like 175. At the time, I wasn't really in shape.

01:52:36.000 I was getting into shape, so I'm like 190. I'm at 190. This dude is like 225 or something.

01:52:44.000 And he's taller than me, so he got size, reach, everything.

01:52:49.000 Getting in the ring.

01:52:49.000 I'm thinking that he's just in the ring to help me with my mechanics because I know this guy We're friends.

01:52:57.000 I'm thinking.

01:52:58.000 I've been knowing this guy since high school.

01:53:00.000 Thinking he's going to help me work on my mechanics.

01:53:07.000 Ding, ding. 1.00

01:53:08.000 This motherfucker. 1.00

01:53:15.000 When I say this motherfucker drug me, man. 1.00

01:53:18.000 Hit me. 1.00

01:53:20.000 Man, this dude hit me so hard, man.

01:53:22.000 He hit me so many times, I thought it was two people in the ring.

01:53:26.000 Hey, man.

01:53:27.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:53:30.000 And look, the punches were coming in slow motion.

01:53:37.000 It looked like the punches was...

01:53:38.000 I saw the punch coming, but I couldn't get out of the way.

01:53:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:42.000 You can see it coming, but you can't move.

01:53:44.000 You can't get out of the way fast enough.

01:53:46.000 But I see the punch coming, and it looked like it's coming in slow motion.

01:53:50.000 It's like...

01:53:51.000 Boom! 0.99

01:53:58.000 Boom! 0.99

01:54:05.000 Man, after that first round, man.

01:54:09.000 Head to toe.

01:54:10.000 I know you had this feeling before.

01:54:12.000 Body just sore.

01:54:14.000 Head to toe.

01:54:16.000 Can't even really get out of the ring fast enough.

01:54:20.000 I don't even want to take a shower, man. 0.99

01:54:22.000 I can't, damn, they can't move. 0.99

01:54:26.000 So... 0.99

01:54:27.000 I go home.

01:54:33.000 I'm talking to my dude. 0.99

01:54:34.000 I'm like, yeah, man, this fool set me up, right? 0.99

01:54:37.000 He set me up. 0.98

01:54:39.000 Because I'm not thinking I'm going to go into a real fight.

01:54:42.000 I'm thinking he's just going to move around a little bit, work on mechanics.

01:54:46.000 He's like, yeah, he set me up.

01:54:48.000 Okay.

01:54:50.000 Now I'm motivated to get him back.

01:54:52.000 How old are you at the time?

01:54:54.000 Oh no, this is just, I'm like 30. I'm 28. I'm 28. I want him now.

01:55:03.000 I want him.

01:55:05.000 I want to get him back.

01:55:08.000 So, for the next two weeks, oh, first of all, the very next day, I'm sore.

01:55:16.000 Heard.

01:55:17.000 They had to tell I'm sore, man.

01:55:20.000 And I don't want to get out of the bed.

01:55:22.000 It's 5.30.

01:55:24.000 I normally get out at 5.30 to go run.

01:55:26.000 And I'm thinking to myself, if I don't get out of this bed, I'm never going to get out of there again.

01:55:33.000 I'm never going to go and fight this dude.

01:55:35.000 So I got out of the bed and I went out of there.

01:55:39.000 I went out there and I ran.

01:55:41.000 It wasn't the best run, but I got through it.

01:55:46.000 I worked myself back into shape.

01:55:48.000 Every day I went back and I trained harder.

01:55:50.000 I sparred with Reggie Johnson, you know, three-time world champion, Reggie Johnson.

01:55:56.000 Sparred with Reggie.

01:55:58.000 And I'm doing this on the low.

01:55:59.000 Dude don't know.

01:56:00.000 I'm in the gym.

01:56:02.000 Are you doing it specifically when he's not going to be there?

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:08.000 The same way you treat trolls.

01:56:12.000 You see how I answered that?

01:56:13.000 I was like, yeah.

01:56:14.000 Yeah, I see, I see.

01:56:16.000 Okay, so I'm like, I'm training. 0.98

01:56:21.000 At every punch, every run, every sweat, everything, every lift, push-up, I'm thinking, I'm going to get this motherfucker, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, I'm going to get him, everything. 0.96

01:56:34.000 So, I'm calling him after a week and I'm telling him, hey man, you know, let's do it again. 0.99

01:56:41.000 And I'm playing possum.

01:56:44.000 I was like, yeah man, you know, come work out with me, man.

01:56:46.000 Because, man, I needed that, man.

01:56:48.000 I needed that, you know.

01:56:49.000 I needed that workout, man, with you.

01:56:52.000 You know, because I got to get in shape, man.

01:56:56.000 You know, that's what I need.

01:56:57.000 So, I'm pumping his head up.

01:57:00.000 Mind you, after he...

01:57:03.000 Drag me. 0.99

01:57:06.000 Right after he dragged me, this fool got on the canvas and started doing push-ups. 0.99

01:57:12.000 Started doing sit-ups. 0.99

01:57:14.000 And then he turned around and he...

01:57:16.000 Push-ups. 0.99

01:57:17.000 And I'm watching this fool do all of this stuff, right? 0.99

01:57:20.000 So... 0.99

01:57:21.000 Letting you know he's not tired.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, not tired at all.

01:57:25.000 So I'm calling him, trying to bait him back into the ring.

01:57:28.000 At first he was like, nah, man, you know, I'm busy, this, this, you know.

01:57:34.000 So finally, I got him to agree.

01:57:38.000 He's like, okay.

01:57:40.000 How many weeks later?

01:57:41.000 Oh, it's only two weeks.

01:57:45.000 Came to the gym.

01:57:47.000 I played possum.

01:57:48.000 He came in.

01:57:50.000 Hey man, what's up, what's up, what's up?

01:57:52.000 Got in the ring.

01:57:53.000 Ding.

01:57:55.000 I came out looking kind of timid.

01:57:59.000 But in my mind, I just got all this energy, man. 1.00

01:58:04.000 And I'm like, I'm going to kill this motherfucker. 1.00

01:58:08.000 So I threw a dummy out there and he faded just like I thought he would. 1.00

01:58:22.000 Everything I threw was just connecting.

01:58:25.000 So he's on the ropes like this.

01:58:28.000 And now I'm pounding.

01:58:30.000 I'm still pounding.

01:58:31.000 Now the guys come running, rushing into the ring like, all right, man, stop, stop, stop, stop.

01:58:36.000 So after we break it up, they break it up.

01:58:42.000 He's on the ropes like, And he get his senses.

01:58:47.000 He's like, yeah, I know y'all set me up.

01:58:53.000 Yeah, I know y'all set me up.

01:58:55.000 Yeah, but y'all set it up to break it up right when I was going to make my move.

01:59:03.000 Oh, no.

01:59:03.000 He finna make a move on me.

01:59:05.000 Like, I'm beating the bricks off this fool. 0.99

01:59:08.000 They broke it up right when he was about to make his move. 1.00

01:59:12.000 So, So I'm like, nah, nah, you got your ass whooped, take it like a man. 0.99

01:59:17.000 So I get on the canvas, I start doing a sit-up. 0.99

01:59:23.000 So he's talking, he's just barking.

01:59:26.000 He's barking.

01:59:30.000 So he said something that was threatening.

01:59:37.000 And that's when it was not about boxing anymore.

01:59:43.000 You know, so then, ding ding fries and shake on them, and it's over.

01:59:54.000 You dig what I'm saying?

01:59:56.000 Yes.

01:59:56.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:59:58.000 So, long story short, this fool Call the police. 0.99

02:00:06.000 Imagine having a gym fight and somebody calling the police. 0.99

02:00:11.000 That's a cardinal sin in any gym. 0.98

02:00:14.000 Well, not only that, it's like, what the fuck are the cops going to do? 0.98

02:00:17.000 Like, you were fighting and then you fought after you were fighting? 0.98

02:00:20.000 Yeah.

02:00:21.000 Huh.

02:00:22.000 Yeah, so...

02:00:22.000 What do you want us to do?

02:00:23.000 Yeah.

02:00:25.000 Anyway, man, you know, the dude tried to push it.

02:00:28.000 He was trying to get a payday, but none of that, you know.

02:00:31.000 So he ended up walking away with an empty bag and pride damaged and totally disrespected because I thought he was a real cat at first, you know, because I seen him get down before.

02:00:43.000 So I thought, hey, you know.

02:00:44.000 Right.

02:00:45.000 Dude's solid.

02:00:46.000 But you were already famous then, though.

02:00:48.000 That's the problem.

02:00:48.000 Yeah, and that's what he was trying to do.

02:00:50.000 He was trying to make a name for him.

02:00:51.000 He was trying to roach up off my name.

02:00:53.000 Roach up.

02:00:54.000 To get a name for himself, you know?

02:00:56.000 Of course.

02:00:56.000 Yeah.

02:00:57.000 Well, when someone sees someone that's that prominent and that famous, and yet you're still in the gym, like, they...

02:01:03.000 There's always, if you're just a regular dude, there's always a little green envy monster inside your head that you've got to beat down.

02:01:11.000 Most people can beat it down, but some people can't. 1.00

02:01:13.000 Some people let that fucker out of the bag. 1.00

02:01:17.000 Some people can't be inspired. 1.00

02:01:19.000 They have to be envious.

02:01:20.000 Some people can be inspired.

02:01:21.000 Some people can see a guy like you and go, wow, I want to do what he's doing.

02:01:26.000 Let me ask him what he did.

02:01:28.000 Maybe I can learn something.

02:01:29.000 Maybe I can apply it to my own life.

02:01:30.000 That's what I would do.

02:01:32.000 Well, that's why you're a winner.

02:01:33.000 Yeah, because I remember growing up, there were guys who would see dudes in the neighborhood.

02:01:41.000 They would see these guys with the nice cars and pretty girls, jewelry, money, and they'd be like, I want that.

02:01:51.000 Not something like that.

02:01:52.000 They want your girl. 1.00

02:01:53.000 They want your car, your money, your jewelry, and they're plotting to take it from you.

02:01:58.000 I would see it and I would use it as motivation to get it for myself.

02:02:04.000 I was like, because I knew, well, I'm not going to always be struggling.

02:02:08.000 I am going to make something out of myself.

02:02:11.000 I'm going to get to this bag.

02:02:13.000 I'm going to get it.

02:02:15.000 So I had that type of mentality.

02:02:17.000 This is what I want to know.

02:02:18.000 Where did you get that?

02:02:20.000 Did you model that off someone you knew?

02:02:23.000 Did you just figure it out on your own?

02:02:24.000 I figured it out, like trial and error, man.

02:02:26.000 Baptism through fire.

02:02:28.000 I know, but a lot of people fall apart.

02:02:30.000 They have these great ideas, but then the reality of their environment overcomes them, and they never follow through with that.

02:02:38.000 And that could have happened to me too, Joe.

02:02:40.000 That could have happened to me because I had to live.

02:02:42.000 Keep in mind, I still had to navigate through all of this stuff while I'm trying to pursue my goals.

02:02:48.000 So that was some hiccups there.

02:02:51.000 That was some bumps in the road along the way.

02:02:55.000 I just got through it through sheer determination, luck, and the grace of God.

02:03:01.000 I got through.

02:03:03.000 That was people that did less than I did who we're walking on right now.

02:03:08.000 They ain't here, man.

02:03:09.000 They dead.

02:03:10.000 They gone.

02:03:10.000 They ain't never coming back.

02:03:13.000 And I think that one of the reasons why I'm still standing is because my good, I weigh my bad.

02:03:22.000 I was never really a mean person.

02:03:28.000 People thought I was mean.

02:03:29.000 I remember one time being at Walmart.

02:03:33.000 I was standing in line behind this guy.

02:03:36.000 And he was with his girl.

02:03:38.000 He was checking out.

02:03:39.000 He had just checked out.

02:03:40.000 I'm standing in line behind him.

02:03:42.000 And the cashier says, whatever that greeting is that they said, you know, welcome to...

02:03:49.000 They don't say welcome to...

02:03:50.000 What do they say when they're greeting you?

02:03:53.000 When you first walk up, it's so generic greeting that they have, like, I don't know...

02:03:59.000 Welcome to Walmart?

02:04:00.000 No, no.

02:04:01.000 That's at the door.

02:04:02.000 You got to be at...

02:04:02.000 That's at the door.

02:04:04.000 What do they say?

02:04:05.000 No, they say something like...

02:04:07.000 At the counter when you're ready to pay?

02:04:08.000 Yeah, when you're ready to pay, like, hello, or something like, you know, how are you today, or something like that, right?

02:04:14.000 And I responded.

02:04:16.000 And the guy looked back.

02:04:19.000 Willie D, man, I know that voice from anywhere, man.

02:04:22.000 And he's like, fanning out.

02:04:24.000 And his woman is like, looking all bewildered. 0.69

02:04:27.000 And he's like, baby, that's Willie D from the Ghetto Boys, the mean one.

02:04:36.000 I was like, what?

02:04:37.000 The mean one?

02:04:38.000 Yeah.

02:04:39.000 I was like, what do you mean?

02:04:40.000 I'm the mean one.

02:04:42.000 Brad the mean one!

02:04:43.000 You know?

02:04:44.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:46.000 But I'm like, man, you know, like, I was like, that's how people really think.

02:04:50.000 They think that I'm the mean one in the group.

02:04:52.000 So, I, you know, it gave me A sense of how, you know, people think about me, you know, who are on our side looking in.

02:05:06.000 Most people who don't know me, they just judge by the records.

02:05:10.000 Well, they also think you're strong.

02:05:13.000 Wear that too. 0.73

02:05:14.000 That when people see someone strong or if someone just took a clip of you talking about what you want to do to trolls and why you attack them and destroy them.

02:05:23.000 Right.

02:05:24.000 People might say, oh, Willie's mean.

02:05:26.000 Right.

02:05:27.000 Right.

02:05:27.000 Yeah.

02:05:28.000 And I'm not a mean guy.

02:05:31.000 No, you're not a mean guy at all.

02:05:32.000 You know, the thing is, is that, like I said, man, I just...

02:05:38.000 I'm just okay with hating people who hate me.

02:05:40.000 I'm just okay with that.

02:05:42.000 And I love people who love me.

02:05:44.000 See, that's the part people need to focus on.

02:05:46.000 I love who love me.

02:05:47.000 Focus on that part.

02:05:50.000 Don't worry about the other stuff, man.

02:05:51.000 That don't include you.

02:05:53.000 That ain't got nothing to do with you.

02:05:54.000 Stop trying to take up for other people.

02:05:56.000 But people try to piece you together like a mosaic.

02:05:59.000 They like to look at all the different things you do, but the things that concern them.

02:06:03.000 The anger.

02:06:04.000 The concern of the strength.

02:06:06.000 The nice part is great and everything, but what if this part comes out?

02:06:11.000 What if that angry, mean part comes out?

02:06:13.000 People get nervous about strength.

02:06:16.000 But I'm the guy to have on your team if that has to come out.

02:06:20.000 You see?

02:06:21.000 That's why...

02:06:23.000 You look at my career, right?

02:06:26.000 Ghetto boys and everything. 0.88

02:06:28.000 We have always...

02:06:31.000 We've always been champions for the voiceless, the underdog, the underserved, the disenfranchised.

02:06:43.000 We've always been there for those type of people, right?

02:06:47.000 That's where we come from.

02:06:48.000 That's us.

02:06:50.000 So this is what fuels my fire.

02:06:55.000 I'm going to talk about the establishment.

02:06:59.000 I am going to call out the guy that everybody's afraid of, just like I fought the guy that everybody was afraid of when I was in high school, in middle school, in elementary.

02:07:09.000 I will fight the neighborhood bully that everybody else is afraid of.

02:07:14.000 I'll fight him.

02:07:15.000 I'll go to war with him, you know, because I just refuse to be identified as anything less than a man.

02:07:24.000 It has nothing to do with this so-called toxic masculinity.

02:07:30.000 First of all, let me address that.

02:07:31.000 Please do.

02:07:32.000 I don't think it's a such thing as toxic masculinity.

02:07:35.000 I couldn't agree more.

02:07:36.000 Masculinity and you have femininity. 1.00

02:07:38.000 Which one are you?

02:07:40.000 Well, it has nothing to do, it's not toxic masculinity. 1.00

02:07:43.000 It's just assholes. 1.00

02:07:44.000 It's just like an asshole who's a woman is not toxically feminine. 1.00

02:07:48.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:07:48.000 It's just an asshole. 1.00

02:07:49.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

02:07:51.000 So, you know, you know how they do, man.

02:07:53.000 They try to do that type of stuff to us, man, to try to separate us and create division, this whole gender war thing and all that stuff. 0.97

02:08:00.000 And that's another thing.

02:08:01.000 That's a war that we cannot survive.

02:08:03.000 Right.

02:08:04.000 We can survive a lot of wars.

02:08:05.000 We cannot survive a gender war. 1.00

02:08:07.000 No.

02:08:08.000 Impossible. 1.00

02:08:09.000 Well, it's a stupid war, too. 1.00

02:08:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:12.000 It's a very stupid war, man, because first of all, who want to walk around with women? 1.00

02:08:19.000 Like, mad at women? 1.00

02:08:21.000 Man, do you know that's a woman? 1.00

02:08:23.000 Women? 1.00

02:08:26.000 God, man, God showed off when he made women. 0.99

02:08:29.000 He was showing off, man.

02:08:30.000 He's like, I've made men.

02:08:33.000 He had a whole bunch of dudes.

02:08:34.000 Okay, what do we do now?

02:08:38.000 Watch me work.

02:08:43.000 What do you think now?

02:08:51.000 Oh, God.

02:08:52.000 That's why they did this to God.

02:08:54.000 You do this.

02:08:55.000 The problem with men and women is women that are unattainable and it hurts them, bothers them. 0.99

02:09:01.000 Those are the also, again, weak men.

02:09:05.000 It's the same sort of people that would be jealous of someone's success or angry that a woman is completely unattainable.

02:09:12.000 When they see a beautiful woman, they know that woman has no interest in them. 0.96

02:09:16.000 Their admiration or their lust for her turns into anger.

02:09:22.000 Right.

02:09:22.000 I knew a dude, and he was a nice guy, but he was an unfortunate-looking fellow.

02:09:28.000 And as he got older, he became more and more bitter and then just angry towards women because he associated women with rejection.

02:09:37.000 Mm-hmm.

02:09:37.000 He always associated women with, you know, they didn't want to have anything to do with him and they always made him feel bad.

02:09:44.000 So in his mind, women make you feel bad is a very simplistic version.

02:09:48.000 That's where a woman hater comes from. 1.00

02:09:49.000 A woman hater is not a guy who does well with women who women like.

02:09:53.000 Those guys very rarely hate women.

02:09:56.000 They love women.

02:09:57.000 It's the dudes who associate women with rejection.

02:10:00.000 Hmm.

02:10:01.000 And for some of them, it's like they're just unfortunate.

02:10:06.000 We all have a roll of the dice.

02:10:08.000 This is what you get.

02:10:10.000 And that's very true when it comes to matters of the heart.

02:10:15.000 It's one of those things where if you're going to play this game, so to speak, you got to understand what comes with it.

02:10:25.000 Rejection is part of the game.

02:10:28.000 It's...

02:10:29.000 It's just as much as part of the game as acceptance.

02:10:34.000 Love is part of the game, but also hate is.

02:10:40.000 Betrayal is just as much a part of the game as loyalty is.

02:10:46.000 And all of these things are interchangeable depending on the mood of the particular person at the time.

02:10:56.000 There are no guarantees.

02:10:58.000 So Everybody is not qualified to actually be in a romantic relationship because they don't have the emotional capacity to accept all of these different things.

02:11:12.000 You have to be able to take your bitter with your sweet in a relationship.

02:11:17.000 Listen, I've had relationships where I've been The guy that broke hearts and then I've had my heart broken.

02:11:28.000 Now, if I've broken a heart already, if I get my heart broken, then if I'm a man, if I'm a real dude, if I'm true to myself, then I take my bitter with my sweet.

02:11:41.000 You learn that.

02:11:43.000 You take your bitter with your sweet.

02:11:44.000 And so...

02:11:46.000 Yeah, I'm a human being, and I think that because she broke my heart, she was wrong because I gave my all.

02:11:53.000 Because that's the thing about men, we give our all.

02:11:55.000 You know, I cut off all of the holes, and man, and then she gonna do me like this? 1.00

02:11:59.000 Oh, hell no! 0.64

02:12:01.000 Uh-uh.

02:12:02.000 So, we lose it.

02:12:05.000 And then, you know, we start getting out of character and doing all kinds of stuff.

02:12:09.000 Well, some dudes be in character, but a lot of us, we get out of character because we can't accept the consequences that are a part of being in a relationship.

02:12:23.000 It's the game that all of us play.

02:12:26.000 That's the chance that we take when we go in it.

02:12:29.000 And when you understand that, and when you understand that relationships are not guaranteed, no relationship is guaranteed.

02:12:36.000 All relationships have an expiration date, sometimes by choice, sometimes by force.

02:12:41.000 But there is an expiration date.

02:12:43.000 And once you understand that, you can respect the process.

02:12:49.000 Some people can't respect the process.

02:12:51.000 The process meaning that, okay, she don't want nothing to do with me anymore.

02:12:56.000 Okay, I'm going here.

02:12:58.000 I'm going to cry my heart out or I'm going to go over here and I'm going to drink my troubles away, drink myself to sleep or whatever, and I'm going to do it as long as I got to do it until I can just stop thinking about her or whatever.

02:13:10.000 Maybe I'll go out and go to the club and try to come up on something at the club just to help me do it.

02:13:16.000 I ain't talking about falling in love.

02:13:18.000 Just help me through it.

02:13:20.000 You know, maybe I grieve a while, but all of this is part of the process.

02:13:25.000 So you have to respect the process.

02:13:27.000 And when you learn to respect the process, you can actually get through these times when it happens.

02:13:34.000 And you get better at it.

02:13:36.000 You do get better at it.

02:13:37.000 You get better at relationships.

02:13:38.000 You do.

02:13:39.000 Like everything else.

02:13:40.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

02:13:42.000 You gotta take those L's.

02:13:44.000 Take the L's, man. 1.00

02:13:46.000 That's important.

02:13:47.000 But you know, I was gonna say that I don't know how we switched the subject.

02:13:55.000 I think I switched the subject.

02:13:56.000 But going back to what I was about to say about the speaking your mind thing and speaking against the establishment, Ghetto Boys being that type of group, me being that type of artist,

02:14:12.000 that type of person.

02:14:16.000 Oftentimes, if you're in America and you attack the establishment, if you say something about the establishment and you're white, you're considered a rebel. 0.57

02:14:30.000 If you do that and you're black, you're considered a racist or a radical, right?

02:14:38.000 So, I look at it like... 0.90

02:14:45.000 I'm going to keep on doing what I do, regardless of how anybody may look at it, because I'm responsible for what I say, not how you interpret it.

02:14:59.000 Right?

02:15:00.000 So that's the way I rock.

02:15:03.000 Some people like the idea of you suppressing your thoughts or speaking out against a wrongdoing because it makes them uncomfortable.

02:15:18.000 So me, I'm never going to be that dude who not speak out against injustice to make somebody else comfortable.

02:15:29.000 I don't care who it is.

02:15:30.000 Well, you know what I think would help you is one of the things we talked about when we were in Houston when I first met you.

02:15:35.000 I'm like, you should do a podcast because people might have the wrong impression of you from little snippets of things like things you said today.

02:15:45.000 They might have seen snippets and things here that, oh, Willie's angry.

02:15:49.000 He's mean.

02:15:50.000 If they understood you more, if they heard you speak on things more, they would get a better understanding of the way you view the world and a better appreciation of your ethics and your morals, your values, and why you say the things you say and what you stand for.

02:16:05.000 There's no better way to do that than something like this, like a podcast, like tonight.

02:16:10.000 I'm actually...

02:16:13.000 I actually got a whole network that I'm pushing forward.

02:16:17.000 Because, you know, we did speak on that before.

02:16:19.000 But I'm going to actually do...

02:16:22.000 I'm actually putting together a whole...

02:16:24.000 In fact, I'm shopping the network right now.

02:16:27.000 So any of you...

02:16:27.000 What do you mean by shopping?

02:16:29.000 Spotify, our heart, whatever.

02:16:31.000 Like other podcasters.

02:16:33.000 But what about just you?

02:16:34.000 But I'm doing it also.

02:16:36.000 Right.

02:16:36.000 Oh, so you're bringing other people with you.

02:16:38.000 I'm bringing other people with me.

02:16:39.000 Okay.

02:16:39.000 I understand.

02:16:40.000 I understand.

02:16:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:41.000 Have you recorded anything yet?

02:16:44.000 Yes, I have.

02:16:45.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:16:46.000 Yes, I have.

02:16:46.000 Is it available?

02:16:47.000 Not available yet.

02:16:47.000 Not yet.

02:16:48.000 Oh, so you're banking things.

02:16:50.000 I'm putting it together.

02:16:50.000 Okay.

02:16:51.000 I'm putting everything together and hopefully, you know, the second quarter, by the second quarter, You know, of 2021. Oh, you've got a long-term plan.

02:17:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:02.000 Yeah, Rec Media, man.

02:17:04.000 Rec Media.

02:17:05.000 So, you know, all y'all executives out there looking to go in a different direction or whatever, looking to increase your portfolio.

02:17:14.000 Holla at me.

02:17:15.000 Well, that's a good time, too, because right around then, I think things will be opening up again, right around April.

02:17:20.000 Yeah.

02:17:21.000 That's what I think.

02:17:21.000 I think once they start vaccinating people and people start opening up businesses again and everything gets back to...

02:17:28.000 I think we have a good shot of things being, you know, at least on the road back to normal somewhere around the spring.

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:34.000 That's my guess.

02:17:35.000 My unqualified guess.

02:17:37.000 But I think whatever you do, whether you do it this way with this idea of pushing a network or just you doing it, you should do this.

02:17:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:46.000 Because I think you have a very valuable mind, like the way you think about things.

02:17:50.000 It's very valuable to people.

02:17:52.000 You're calculated, you know?

02:17:54.000 And I think people learn from people like you.

02:17:57.000 Listen to the way you think things through and the way you look at big picture and That's very valuable to people.

02:18:04.000 Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, man.

02:18:06.000 I appreciate you saying that.

02:18:08.000 It's really like a boomerang compliment, you know?

02:18:13.000 Because that's the way I feel about you.

02:18:15.000 Oh, thank you.

02:18:20.000 You got one of our greatest minds, period.

02:18:24.000 So this is why you've been able to have the success that you've had.

02:18:30.000 And to be able to reach so many different people from so many different walks of life, it says a lot about your character.

02:18:38.000 Oh, thank you very much. 0.98

02:18:39.000 I'm a lucky moron. 0.99

02:18:42.000 That's what I am. 1.00

02:18:43.000 I'm a lucky moron. 1.00

02:18:44.000 I'm a moron who learned a lot of things. 0.99

02:18:46.000 It's a very rare thing, podcasting, where you have a platform where you could show who you really are with no one interfering. 0.97

02:18:59.000 That's why I think you would shine at this.

02:19:01.000 Because if you were doing anything else and you got a producer or an executive and then after this was over, the story about people going out and robbing cab drivers and killing them would be like, stop!

02:19:14.000 Really?

02:19:15.000 I understand that's part of your past, but I just don't think it's a good idea that we leave that in.

02:19:19.000 So let's edit that part out.

02:19:21.000 People would want to change things or edit things or twist things around.

02:19:27.000 That's not good.

02:19:29.000 Where your value comes is from your honesty and the full perspective of your life. 0.95

02:19:37.000 Someone else would fuck that up.

02:19:38.000 They would get involved in it.

02:19:40.000 You had a radio show, and it was on some radio network. 0.99

02:19:43.000 They would fuck with it. 0.99

02:19:44.000 They would ruin it. 1.00

02:19:45.000 They would get in there and get their greasy little fingers on everything and fuck it all up. 0.99

02:19:48.000 Yeah, it actually happened before. 0.99

02:19:50.000 I used to do a show on a radio station in Houston.

02:19:57.000 And it was big, man.

02:20:00.000 It was really big.

02:20:01.000 It was late 90s.

02:20:02.000 And it was so big, people used to barbecue on Monday nights.

02:20:06.000 And listen to the show.

02:20:08.000 One dude told me that his wife divorced him because she sent him to the store to buy something and he was supposed to come right back and he sat in the parking lot and listened to the show.

02:20:23.000 Now, obviously he must have did something else, and that piled it on.

02:20:28.000 That was the straw that broke the Campbell's back.

02:20:30.000 But, yeah, he said his woman, that was it.

02:20:33.000 The woman walked out on him after that. 0.99

02:20:36.000 That's hilarious.

02:20:37.000 So, yeah, I had that going on, and I was actually...

02:20:42.000 I was actually about to, like, take it to the next level.

02:20:47.000 It was Monday nights, and then I, once I pulled the numbers, I seen what was happening.

02:20:51.000 I had a 15% share of the market, you know, and I was like, whoa!

02:20:57.000 Okay, we should do this five nights a week.

02:21:00.000 So I went to the station and told them about it, and they was like, yeah, but we're not a, we're not a Talk show station.

02:21:11.000 We're not a talk station.

02:21:13.000 We're not a talk station.

02:21:14.000 We're a music station.

02:21:16.000 And so I went somewhere else and did the deal.

02:21:23.000 And when I went to this other place...

02:21:28.000 They tried to change the message. 0.98

02:21:31.000 They wanted me to talk about the cum stains on Monica Lewinsky's dress. 0.99

02:21:36.000 Every day. 0.99

02:21:38.000 It was a thing. 0.98

02:21:39.000 She had cum stains on her dress. 0.97

02:21:40.000 So they would bring it up to you? 0.99

02:21:42.000 No, no, no.

02:21:43.000 If it was in the news.

02:21:45.000 I would talk about something that was in the news.

02:21:48.000 Right.

02:21:51.000 I'm not going to talk about the same thing.

02:21:53.000 You know how CNN does?

02:21:55.000 Yes.

02:21:55.000 You know, or MSNBC, any of them, Fox.

02:21:58.000 They just take the same thing and just tell the same story a thousand different ways.

02:22:02.000 You know, they go and get the janitor who knew you to say something.

02:22:05.000 They find a guy walking down the street.

02:22:07.000 Did you see anything, sir?

02:22:08.000 No, I didn't see.

02:22:09.000 Are you sure?

02:22:10.000 Now, was it raining when you walked down the street or what?

02:22:13.000 You know, they just be digging, trying to make the story out of something.

02:22:17.000 And So they wanted me to talk about this in different ways.

02:22:22.000 And I'm like, I'm not doing that.

02:22:25.000 My people don't care about Monica Lewinsky. 1.00

02:22:28.000 They don't care about the Combs fans on her dress. 0.99

02:22:32.000 You know, like, they care about what's really happening out here in these streets.

02:22:37.000 You know?

02:22:38.000 So...

02:22:40.000 We had an amical split, you know?

02:22:42.000 So would they sit down, like when you would come to the office, they would say, Willie, this is what we want you to talk about?

02:22:48.000 What would they do?

02:22:49.000 No, what would happen is that I produced my own show.

02:22:53.000 So, look, I must have been doing something right.

02:22:57.000 I had a 15% share of the market.

02:22:59.000 That's huge.

02:23:00.000 In a major market.

02:23:01.000 Yeah, that's gigantic.

02:23:03.000 So, I would have my own show.

02:23:07.000 Me and...

02:23:09.000 Me and my producer, you know, that I had working, we worked the show out and said, okay, these are the topics we're gonna talk about, blah, blah, blah.

02:23:18.000 We get on the air and once they hear it, they go like, hey, you think you can talk about Monica?

02:23:27.000 That's a good story.

02:23:28.000 People are interested in that.

02:23:30.000 Like, you know, they can get that story anywhere.

02:23:34.000 Yeah.

02:23:36.000 You can't get Willie D anywhere.

02:23:37.000 You know, you can't get what I'm talking about anywhere because people are scared of these topics.

02:23:42.000 They're afraid.

02:23:43.000 They're afraid to call out these people and say what's really going on.

02:23:48.000 They're afraid of that.

02:23:50.000 I'm not.

02:23:52.000 And plus, I like to do stuff that I feel I'm making a difference in.

02:24:00.000 I got to do something where I feel like I'm making a difference.

02:24:03.000 I don't want to just make money.

02:24:05.000 I want to make a difference.

02:24:08.000 I understand what you're saying.

02:24:10.000 So I couldn't just do that.

02:24:11.000 Yeah.

02:24:12.000 So you quit?

02:24:13.000 Yeah.

02:24:14.000 Good for you.

02:24:16.000 Yeah.

02:24:16.000 Well, it was too early.

02:24:18.000 It was before the time of the internet.

02:24:20.000 Because if you had a podcast back then...

02:24:22.000 Oh, man.

02:24:23.000 Yeah.

02:24:24.000 Whoa.

02:24:24.000 That's what you should be doing right now.

02:24:25.000 Yeah.

02:24:26.000 Because no one can tell you what to do.

02:24:28.000 As long as you stay away...

02:24:30.000 One of the things that when I switched over to Spotify, we had to make sure that they didn't want to change anything.

02:24:36.000 I was very hesitant.

02:24:38.000 And that I wouldn't sell the podcast.

02:24:40.000 I would only do a licensing deal.

02:24:42.000 But Spotify was adamant.

02:24:44.000 They were like, I want you to do exactly what you're doing.

02:24:46.000 We don't want to tell you who the guests are.

02:24:48.000 I book everything myself.

02:24:49.000 I do it all myself.

02:24:51.000 No one tells me what to talk about or what not to talk about.

02:24:54.000 That's the only way I can do my show and be me.

02:24:57.000 That's the same thing with you.

02:24:58.000 It's the only way you could do your show and be you.

02:25:00.000 As soon as you got some guy going, well, you know, Monica Lewinsky and that dress. 1.00

02:25:04.000 That's gonna fuck with your head. 1.00

02:25:07.000 Even if you go, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:25:08.000 Then you have to think, that guy out there wants me to talk about Monica Lewinsky. 1.00

02:25:11.000 You don't even want that guy in your life.

02:25:13.000 You don't want anybody there.

02:25:14.000 There's no need.

02:25:16.000 What you should have is just you and a microphone and whoever you want to talk to, and that's it.

02:25:20.000 Well, that's kind of what I do on YouTube already.

02:25:22.000 Yeah.

02:25:22.000 So my YouTube channel is pretty big, you know?

02:25:25.000 So I'm really in that space, like strong.

02:25:29.000 So the podcast would be like an extension of that.

02:25:32.000 Well, it should be both things.

02:25:34.000 The video version of the podcast should also be on YouTube too, right?

02:25:38.000 Right.

02:25:38.000 Yeah.

02:25:38.000 And then, listen, man, if you build it, they will come.

02:25:41.000 It's not 100%.

02:25:42.000 Yeah.

02:25:42.000 And again...

02:25:44.000 As long as you're just you.

02:25:46.000 That's what people want.

02:25:47.000 As long as people know that it's coming from your mind, then it resonates with them.

02:25:52.000 As soon as they feel like you're some sort of a concoction and there's a bunch of producers and writers and all these people tweaking.

02:25:59.000 And they can smell it.

02:26:00.000 Oh, they smell it.

02:26:02.000 They're used to it in certain places, like with late night talk show hosts. 1.00

02:26:07.000 They're used to bullshit. 0.99

02:26:08.000 If there was anything other than bullshit, they'd probably be nervous and confused. 1.00

02:26:11.000 They wouldn't know what it was. 0.99

02:26:13.000 A late night show is a, hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show. 1.00

02:26:16.000 It's bullshit. 0.99

02:26:18.000 If that guy was talking to you like that in real life, you'd be like, who is this dude? 1.00

02:26:22.000 Right? 0.99

02:26:23.000 If someone talked to you the way a late night talk show host talks to the audience, you'd be like, this is the weirdest shit ever. 0.99

02:26:30.000 The way the guy was talking to me. 0.99

02:26:31.000 You'd be like, hey, do that voice again.

02:26:36.000 Do that again. 1.00

02:26:37.000 With notes and shit. 1.00

02:26:38.000 Oh, you hear about this in the news. 0.99

02:26:41.000 It's a weird way of talking.

02:26:43.000 I know they're doing a monologue and it's supposed to be just like stand-up comedy.

02:26:47.000 I get it.

02:26:47.000 But even the way they talk to guests is weird.

02:26:50.000 It's like, so I heard you went to the zoo!

02:26:52.000 Tell us about the zoo, Willie!

02:26:54.000 It's just weird.

02:26:55.000 But we're used to it.

02:26:57.000 We're used to that kind of communication.

02:26:59.000 Wait a minute.

02:27:00.000 That almost sounded a little like Johnny Carson.

02:27:03.000 I like Johnny Carson, man.

02:27:04.000 Well, he was original.

02:27:07.000 Johnny Carson would say something like that.

02:27:09.000 A little bit, yeah.

02:27:11.000 That's how he went to the zoo.

02:27:12.000 That was also how they would set up a comedian for a story.

02:27:15.000 He pets and pets.

02:27:16.000 Yeah.

02:27:18.000 If you would go on those shows, they would talk to you beforehand, and they would ask you what you want to talk about, and you'd say, oh, I got this great story about going to a NASCAR race.

02:27:26.000 So you like racing, do you?

02:27:28.000 Yeah.

02:27:30.000 But either way, it's that method of communicating with people, putting together a show.

02:27:36.000 It's like smoke signals.

02:27:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:39.000 It's like some antiquated shit that we don't need anymore. 1.00

02:27:43.000 It's like Morse code. 0.99

02:27:44.000 You don't have to do it that way anymore. 1.00

02:27:45.000 That way is dumb. 0.99

02:27:47.000 We'll be right back in five minutes! 1.00

02:27:50.000 So you cut every seven minutes for a fucking commercial, and then everybody goes to the... 0.99

02:27:55.000 You don't have to do that anymore. 0.98

02:27:57.000 It's an antiquated way of making a program, of delivering information.

02:28:02.000 And it doesn't feel real.

02:28:04.000 When you're talking, whether it's...

02:28:07.000 I like when you sit in your car and you got your phone and you're like, what's up, family?

02:28:13.000 Free game.

02:28:14.000 And you just express yourself.

02:28:15.000 There's no producers.

02:28:17.000 There's no nothing.

02:28:19.000 It's Willie D and that's it.

02:28:22.000 That's what resonates with people. 0.96

02:28:24.000 Because people know that there's no one fucking with the message. 0.95

02:28:26.000 So whether they like you or not, they know it's you. 0.92

02:28:30.000 If they like you, they like you.

02:28:31.000 They don't like something that a bunch of producers are putting together.

02:28:35.000 They don't want that. 1.00

02:28:37.000 No one wants that shit anymore. 1.00

02:28:38.000 The genie's out of the bottle. 1.00

02:28:42.000 When you see people talking with no filter, That makes sense.

02:28:50.000 Like you go, oh, he's a regular dude.

02:28:51.000 He's just like me.

02:28:52.000 When you see someone talking like they're talking like a president, they're using that thing with their thumb, and they're like, what we're going to do is build this and build that. 1.00

02:28:59.000 You know that's bullshit. 0.99

02:29:01.000 Even if you like what they say, it doesn't resonate with you. 1.00

02:29:04.000 People in this day and age, we're dissolving the boundaries between people.

02:29:08.000 People want, they want to know you're real in there.

02:29:12.000 Right.

02:29:12.000 Yeah, and they can sniff it out.

02:29:13.000 Fuck yeah, they can. 1.00

02:29:15.000 They can sniff it out. 1.00

02:29:16.000 Try it one time.

02:29:18.000 And they'll be like, hey man, I don't know what the hell that was you just did.

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:22.000 But, oh.

02:29:24.000 In fact, they'll be like, You must have got paid.

02:29:27.000 Yes, exactly.

02:29:28.000 Oh, I've been accused of that.

02:29:29.000 You got paid quick.

02:29:30.000 I've been accused of that a lot.

02:29:31.000 You must have got paid.

02:29:34.000 Yeah, I've been accused of ducking subjects and trying not to have certain guests on.

02:29:40.000 Right.

02:29:41.000 Spotify has never told me anything.

02:29:43.000 And this is the crazy thing about it.

02:29:45.000 Like, dude.

02:29:48.000 You know me.

02:29:50.000 Like, no, no, no, dude, you know me.

02:29:53.000 Know you for real.

02:29:54.000 Like, you know me.

02:29:55.000 For real.

02:29:56.000 Like, so, that trips me out when people say stuff like that, you know?

02:29:59.000 Yeah, I hear that type of stuff from time to time, but it don't really bother me because these people really don't know me, right?

02:30:06.000 But this is always going to be a certain percentage, like the hecklers, like the people that are the trolls.

02:30:10.000 No matter what, you're never going to get rid of those, but the vast majority of people who tune into your Instagram page or your YouTube page... 0.98

02:30:18.000 After a while, they fucking know you. 0.85

02:30:20.000 It might take a week. 1.00

02:30:21.000 It might take watching you four or five times.

02:30:23.000 But they get it.

02:30:25.000 They get it.

02:30:26.000 That's where the value is.

02:30:28.000 That's where someone who's like, hey, Monica Lewinsky, they're dressed. 1.00

02:30:31.000 That fucking guy, he's never going to get it. 1.00

02:30:33.000 They don't understand. 1.00

02:30:34.000 The more you do that, the more you water it down. 0.99

02:30:36.000 The more chefs come in the kitchen, start throwing bay leaves into the soup, the more you're going to fuck it up. 0.98

02:30:41.000 Right. 0.99

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:42.000 That's the beautiful thing about the internet.

02:30:44.000 It's the beautiful thing about being able to do a podcast or a YouTube video or anything like that is the fact that this is the only time in history, in human history, I don't want to try to make this sound any bigger than it is, but this is the craziest moment in all of time,

02:31:02.000 in all of the time where human beings have been communicating with each other.

02:31:06.000 There's never been a moment where a person can just talk into a microphone and it will instantaneously reach millions and millions of people and literally change the way they think about a subject.

02:31:19.000 There might be something that happens in the news And you will sit in your car and put your phone on and just express yourself.

02:31:27.000 And then that video will go viral.

02:31:29.000 And when that video goes viral, millions, millions of people.

02:31:33.000 The number millions, everybody knows it's big, you think about it. 0.99

02:31:37.000 But if you could see a million people in front of you, you'd be like, holy shit! 0.97

02:31:44.000 I remember Be Real came on the podcast once and he was talking to us about when he did Woodstock. 0.97

02:31:49.000 What was it like?

02:31:50.000 600,000 people?

02:31:53.000 Like 500,000 plus people?

02:31:56.000 And he showed us the video and you're like, oh my god!

02:32:00.000 Like you don't know what 500,000 people looks like until you see this vast expanse of humans. 0.99

02:32:07.000 That's fucking normal for you. 0.99

02:32:09.000 Ten football fields. 1.00

02:32:10.000 Ten football stadiums.

02:32:12.000 Right, but that's normal for you.

02:32:13.000 Field, yeah.

02:32:13.000 You get that all the time.

02:32:14.000 You put up a video, you get that kind of shit all the time. 1.00

02:32:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:32:17.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0.99

02:32:19.000 That is a crazy moment in time.

02:32:21.000 There's never been, in all of human history, where a person...

02:32:25.000 Oh man, I never thought about it like that, man.

02:32:27.000 Look at that!

02:32:28.000 Look at that!

02:32:28.000 Uh-uh.

02:32:29.000 Look at that fucking crowd! 1.00

02:32:30.000 That's madness! 1.00

02:32:32.000 Hey, I'm going back in to ask for more money, man.

02:32:34.000 Get more money!

02:32:36.000 More money, man.

02:32:36.000 There's so many people out there.

02:32:38.000 I'm going to get more money. 0.99

02:32:39.000 I mean, that crowd is fucking bananas. 0.99

02:32:41.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:32:42.000 That's a half a million.

02:32:43.000 So this podcast, just this podcast, would most likely reach 10 times more people than that.

02:32:52.000 Yeah.

02:33:05.000 There's no producer.

02:33:06.000 There's no executive.

02:33:08.000 There's no network people.

02:33:10.000 There's nothing.

02:33:10.000 There's just you talking.

02:33:13.000 And that's how many people it can reach.

02:33:15.000 This is a crazy moment in time.

02:33:17.000 And this is what drives networks crazy.

02:33:19.000 It drives them nuts.

02:33:21.000 You ever get the idea that they're going to try to Do something to try to corral it?

02:33:26.000 Yeah, I think they probably will.

02:33:27.000 I mean, I think they probably would have if the blowback wouldn't have been so hard.

02:33:31.000 I think they, you know, they do certain things, like certain controversial figures, they'll de-platform you or they'll throttle you or they'll, you know, the thing is like someone like YouTube, they could kind of control, like one of the things that happens they do is they'll stop things from trending.

02:33:46.000 You know, they can do that.

02:33:48.000 Like Kanye West was on the podcast and it reached, how many people did it reach? 0.99

02:33:54.000 Fucking some crazy number. 0.97

02:33:55.000 And it wasn't trending. 0.99

02:33:57.000 And we're like, well, what's trending?

02:33:59.000 And you look at what's trending.

02:34:00.000 And what's trending is like 500,000, 300,000, a million.

02:34:06.000 And the Kanye one was like 5 million.

02:34:08.000 And we're like, well, what is trending?

02:34:11.000 Tell me what trending is then.

02:34:13.000 They decide what's trending.

02:34:15.000 It's not really what's trending. 0.99

02:34:16.000 That fucking podcast was trending like crazy amongst actual human beings, but not amongst their little algorithm. 0.99

02:34:22.000 They just decide. 1.00

02:34:23.000 They can do that with you.

02:34:24.000 They can pull back and not suggest your videos or not hide things.

02:34:29.000 They do that.

02:34:30.000 Right.

02:34:31.000 They'll decide they don't like your message.

02:34:32.000 They decide you're not progressive enough.

02:34:34.000 You're not liberal enough.

02:34:36.000 You weren't this.

02:34:37.000 You're not that.

02:34:38.000 So there's a lot of gatekeepers with social media and a lot of gatekeepers with certain...

02:34:43.000 But as long as the people can get a hold of something and share it, then you have viral responses.

02:34:51.000 And they can't stop that.

02:34:52.000 And the only way they can stop that is by censoring you and deplatforming you.

02:34:56.000 And I do worry sometimes that things can get really...

02:35:00.000 You think we made them too powerful though?

02:35:03.000 Politicians or video platforms?

02:35:05.000 YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.

02:35:07.000 They didn't even know it was coming.

02:35:09.000 They didn't know that they were ever going to get this powerful.

02:35:11.000 I've had Jack Dorsey on the podcast, the CEO of Twitter, a couple times.

02:35:15.000 And I've talked to him about it and he's like, we had no idea what we were doing.

02:35:18.000 He goes, we thought we were just going to have this little thing where people would put up what they're doing.

02:35:23.000 Like it used to be, the way Twitter used to be, like at Willie D, you would say, going out with the family to get some food.

02:35:29.000 Like that's what people would do.

02:35:31.000 They would just like tell you what they were doing for no reason.

02:35:33.000 It didn't mean anything.

02:35:34.000 It was just like, oh, getting some pizza.

02:35:36.000 Oh, taking a nap.

02:35:38.000 That's what people used to use Twitter for.

02:35:39.000 And now it's shaping the social, political landscape.

02:35:43.000 It's toppling regimes.

02:35:45.000 I mean, they're using it to share information.

02:35:48.000 Rebels are using it to try to share information to topple dictatorships.

02:35:52.000 I mean, it's crazy what's going on with it.

02:35:54.000 And it's doing all sorts of other things, too.

02:35:56.000 It's breaking news.

02:35:57.000 When news happens, you find out about it on Twitter long before you see it on CNN or any of the other news networks.

02:36:03.000 Oftentimes, it's used to...

02:36:05.000 But it's also, they can decide who talks and who doesn't talk.

02:36:09.000 And they have a very set...

02:36:13.000 We're good to go.

02:36:33.000 Corruption where they're going to pay him a certain amount and they have access to his father.

02:36:38.000 There's some influence there. 1.00

02:36:40.000 And then there were some pictures of him getting foot jobs from hookers and crazy shit. 1.00

02:36:44.000 A foot job? 1.00

02:36:46.000 What the hell is a foot job? 1.00

02:36:48.000 Well, the girl was laying on her stomach with her knees bent and his dick was on her feet. 1.00

02:36:53.000 Some crazy shit. 1.00

02:36:54.000 But whatever. 1.00

02:36:55.000 The guy's smoking crack.

02:36:56.000 He was smoking crack. 1.00

02:36:58.000 He was losing his fucking mind. 1.00

02:36:59.000 Okay, foot job, hand job. 1.00

02:37:00.000 Okay, I got it.

02:37:01.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:37:01.000 He was doing a lot of wacky shit. 1.00

02:37:03.000 The dude was on drugs. 0.99

02:37:05.000 But anyway, New York Post publishes this story.

02:37:09.000 And then Twitter bans the New York Post.

02:37:12.000 Twitter blocked the New York Post from posting.

02:37:14.000 They couldn't post any more stories.

02:37:17.000 They literally censored one of the biggest newspapers in the world.

02:37:21.000 I think it's the oldest newspaper in America.

02:37:25.000 And it was a real story.

02:37:26.000 It was a real story, real laptop, real pictures.

02:37:28.000 No one's denying the emails were real.

02:37:30.000 But they just decided that this was, whether it's hacked or whatever it is, that this is going to interfere with the election.

02:37:38.000 They didn't like it.

02:37:40.000 And it was a giant dust-up amongst the journalists and people that are for the truth and for sharing information.

02:37:48.000 They're like, you can't do this.

02:37:50.000 You can't tell people what they can and can't talk about.

02:37:53.000 It's not your decision. 1.00

02:38:13.000 That shit is a slippery slope. 1.00

02:38:15.000 And then people can decide they're going to censor more things and censor this. 1.00

02:38:18.000 And they're going to try to shape society into the ideas that they have.

02:38:22.000 And only let the information go that coincides with their ideas and their beliefs.

02:38:26.000 Yeah, that's happening now.

02:38:27.000 It is happening now.

02:38:28.000 You think they're going to...

02:38:32.000 I think they're going to ban him! 1.00

02:38:33.000 The day he gets out of office, fuck you! 1.00

02:38:36.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:38:37.000 I don't think so.

02:38:38.000 I think it's too blatant if they do that.

02:38:41.000 But what he's doing, I think, is dangerous.

02:38:44.000 Here's what I think is dangerous. 0.98

02:38:46.000 What he's doing by saying, I won this and I won this big in a landslide, all that crazy shit is undermining people's ideas of the democratic process. 0.99

02:38:55.000 It's all those people that ride or die with him, that believe him no matter what, Whatever percentage of his fan base that is, those fucking people will never trust the legal system again. 0.99

02:39:05.000 They'll never trust the judicial system again. 0.98

02:39:07.000 They'll never trust the voting system again.

02:39:09.000 That's what's dangerous about it.

02:39:10.000 Because this is not the first time he's done this either.

02:39:12.000 You know, when Ted Cruz won the Senate, he was saying that Ted Cruz stole the election.

02:39:17.000 Like, he's been saying that voting is rigged forever.

02:39:22.000 Yeah.

02:39:23.000 And the problem is, it's a little rigged.

02:39:26.000 The problem is he's not wrong.

02:39:27.000 Totally.

02:39:28.000 Like, it's not zero percent.

02:39:30.000 If you said, like, what percentage voter fraud is?

02:39:33.000 It's not zero.

02:39:35.000 Maybe it's...

02:39:36.000 I don't know what the number is.

02:39:37.000 But it's not like no one cheats.

02:39:39.000 It's definitely less than what they say.

02:39:44.000 I can't say definitely. 0.99

02:39:45.000 I ain't counting the damn votes. 0.99

02:39:46.000 But, you know... 0.99

02:39:47.000 That's the problem, right?

02:39:48.000 I'm thinking, like, it's got to be less than a half percent.

02:39:52.000 I don't know what the number is.

02:39:53.000 They don't think it's enough to make him win.

02:39:56.000 But you know, political duopoly has always been a problem in America.

02:40:02.000 Huge.

02:40:03.000 And so this is why, you know, we got to come out and know what it's going to be, but it's got to be something for the people.

02:40:11.000 Because the people don't run the country. 0.96

02:40:14.000 A bunch of old folks... 1.00

02:40:16.000 And Congress runs the country.

02:40:18.000 A bunch of people that has job security no matter what.

02:40:23.000 Yes.

02:40:23.000 They run the country.

02:40:24.000 And even when it comes to those Supreme Court justices, man, they should not be lifelong...

02:40:31.000 Appointees.

02:40:32.000 Appointees.

02:40:33.000 No, they should...

02:40:34.000 It should be a limit.

02:40:36.000 I mean, I'm thinking, like, at this rate, you know...

02:40:43.000 Every 45 days.

02:40:45.000 Every 45 days?

02:40:47.000 Is there enough judges for that?

02:40:51.000 Keep rotating them?

02:40:52.000 Man, I'm like, man, nah.

02:40:53.000 You might run out.

02:40:54.000 I just believe that...

02:40:56.000 I believe it's too many people that don't put the people first.

02:41:04.000 And I think if we had people in Congress...

02:41:08.000 We had people in local municipalities, statewide, these officials.

02:41:16.000 If these people put the people first, this country really could be great.

02:41:22.000 I think it would be.

02:41:24.000 I know it would be great.

02:41:26.000 I'm talking about great.

02:41:27.000 We wouldn't have all the racial tension that we have.

02:41:32.000 Because they wouldn't allow...

02:41:34.000 I mean, that would be like a crime like stealing.

02:41:37.000 Like, no.

02:41:38.000 You know, like, there's a such thing as freedom of speech.

02:41:41.000 But when you create public chaos, and you create...

02:41:48.000 When you're going out there and you're creating unrest, that's a problem.

02:41:55.000 And look, how many people out here right now On either side, on either side, Democrat, Republican, whatever, liberal, conservative, whatever, how many people feel safer today than they did 10 years ago?

02:42:12.000 20 years ago?

02:42:13.000 30 years ago?

02:42:15.000 Five years ago?

02:42:16.000 One year ago?

02:42:17.000 Not too many.

02:42:18.000 Well, not right now.

02:42:19.000 Not too many.

02:42:20.000 Now everything's a mess.

02:42:21.000 But...

02:42:23.000 A lot of things were a mess even when Barack was in office.

02:42:26.000 Yeah, but I mean, post-COVID and the economy shutting down.

02:42:30.000 That's when things get dangerous.

02:42:31.000 What I'm saying is that if you take COVID out, the trajectory that we were already on in terms of racial harmony...

02:42:40.000 It's bad.

02:42:41.000 Have you seen that movie, The Social Dilemma?

02:42:43.000 No.

02:42:44.000 They talk about that.

02:42:45.000 They talk about the differences in people's groups, whether it's Republicans versus Democrats and ideologies, that social media is separating us and it's forcing people to fight.

02:42:59.000 And these algorithms that they've created for YouTube and for Facebook, all these algorithms are set up so that people argue with each other.

02:43:07.000 They're set up so that people get upset.

02:43:09.000 And the people that created these algorithms, they're talking about it now after they've left these companies.

02:43:15.000 And they're like, I had Tristan Harris on last week or a couple weeks ago.

02:43:19.000 He was one of the guys who was there at Google at the time.

02:43:22.000 And he saw the writing on the wall.

02:43:23.000 He's like, this is going to lead to civil war.

02:43:26.000 The way we all communicate on social media, we're more divided now than ever.

02:43:32.000 Right.

02:43:33.000 Yeah, and look man, it's a major problem that I don't see being solved anytime soon because they've created an environment where you get incentives to create There are people out there that get paid to be race baiters.

02:44:04.000 It's a whole career.

02:44:07.000 It is, because you get attention from it.

02:44:10.000 Absolutely.

02:44:12.000 It's a total lane for that.

02:44:14.000 It's also an easy lane.

02:44:20.000 You can talk about If you talk about bringing people together, that's kind of corny.

02:44:27.000 Nah, I don't even care about that post.

02:44:30.000 But if you get on there and you say something that's inflammatory, you know what I'm saying, people go like, they respond.

02:44:37.000 Going back to that agorism thing.

02:44:39.000 Yeah, the algorithm is scary because it's designed to do that.

02:44:44.000 I mean, they've figured out what gets people to engage.

02:44:46.000 What gets people to engage is getting them angry.

02:44:49.000 And so it ramps up the anger.

02:44:51.000 And the more it ramps up the anger, the more money they make.

02:44:53.000 So it's all designed.

02:44:55.000 The AI, artificial intelligence, is figuring out what upsets you.

02:45:00.000 And it's putting that in front of your face all the time.

02:45:02.000 And the overall tension of the country has ramped up.

02:45:07.000 And when you have two different sides, like the Republicans and the Democrats, this duopoly that you talked about, that accentuates it.

02:45:14.000 Because it's not like 30 choices to pick from.

02:45:16.000 Like some countries, like Holland, I think they have...

02:45:18.000 Holland has a lot of parties.

02:45:20.000 I think it has like seven or eight different political parties.

02:45:23.000 And there's no duopoly.

02:45:25.000 So they have a bunch of different people with different ideas.

02:45:27.000 You're like, oh, I like this guy's idea.

02:45:29.000 Oh, she's making sense.

02:45:31.000 And there's no, like, we have to vote blue or we have to vote red.

02:45:37.000 When you only have two teams like that, it creates a giant problem.

02:45:41.000 And that's all accentuated, like everything else, by social media and these algorithms.

02:45:47.000 And again, the people that made them, the people that created these platforms, they never saw it coming.

02:45:52.000 YouTube was just going to be cat videos.

02:45:55.000 It was just going to be, here's my son playing football.

02:45:57.000 Hey, here's my dog doing a crazy trick.

02:45:59.000 This is my new car.

02:46:00.000 Look at that.

02:46:00.000 Pretty cool, right?

02:46:01.000 That's what YouTube was. 0.98

02:46:03.000 Then, along the way, it became all kinds of crazy shit that shapes the way human beings talk to each other and shapes the way we feel about the world. 0.98

02:46:12.000 And they didn't see it coming. 0.98

02:46:14.000 They didn't prepare for it.

02:46:15.000 There's not enough rules in place.

02:46:16.000 There's not enough laws in place.

02:46:19.000 And there hasn't been a real study of what the overall impact of these things is going to be long term.

02:46:26.000 They didn't see it.

02:46:27.000 So when a documentary like The Social Dilemma comes out, I mean, what did Tristan say?

02:46:32.000 It got 39 million views within the first week?

02:46:36.000 It's resonating with people. 0.99

02:46:37.000 They're like, holy shit! 0.99

02:46:38.000 And they're realizing they're all addicted to their phones, they're addicted to these social media apps, and they're addicted to getting angry. 0.99

02:46:51.000 You mentioned documentary.

02:46:53.000 Yeah.

02:46:55.000 I got one of the coldest documentaries ever.

02:47:00.000 Hip Hop to Death.

02:47:03.000 Ooh.

02:47:04.000 It's about how These label executives and radio execs, TV execs, conspired to derail hip-hop, the positive messages that were in hip-hop,

02:47:20.000 get rid of the groups that had those positive messages, and bring in more of the gun-busting.

02:47:28.000 Really?

02:47:29.000 Yeah.

02:47:30.000 So I'm doing it with Deion Taylor and Roseanne Taylor.

02:47:37.000 So it's not out?

02:47:38.000 No, it's not out.

02:47:39.000 We're producing it right now.

02:47:40.000 But it'll be out at the top of the year.

02:47:42.000 So what happened?

02:47:44.000 It's exposing that.

02:47:45.000 What did they do?

02:47:46.000 There was a meeting in California of a bunch of executives, top executives, And these guys got together and decided that they didn't want the positive measures in hip-hop,

02:48:05.000 that arrested development, you know.

02:48:09.000 De La Soul.

02:48:10.000 De La Soul, the Tribe Called Quest, the public enemies got to go.

02:48:15.000 Really?

02:48:16.000 But they were profitable.

02:48:18.000 They were profitable, but they wasn't good for the overall business of controlling Black people. 1.00

02:48:30.000 So they set out.

02:48:32.000 They purposely conspired to change the message. 0.80

02:48:37.000 When you say set out to control black people, who's involved in this?

02:48:42.000 Some very high-up people, and this is one of those things that's going to be revealed in the documentary.

02:48:50.000 Like, we have the players, some of the players who was there in that meeting.

02:48:56.000 So is it, can you tell me, is it just executives, or does it have to do with government as well?

02:49:03.000 It's a bit of both.

02:49:05.000 I can imagine it has to be a bit of both.

02:49:07.000 Yeah.

02:49:07.000 Because the executives, they want to go towards what's profitable.

02:49:13.000 But if there's influence by government and people, especially in intelligence agencies, that have plans...

02:49:23.000 This is one of those documentaries that people will tell you, watch your back.

02:49:30.000 Maybe we shouldn't have talked about it.

02:49:32.000 No, I'm good.

02:49:33.000 Maybe we should wait until it comes out.

02:49:35.000 No, I'm good because I think it's important. 0.99

02:49:37.000 I like the idea that these fools are nervous right now. 0.96

02:49:41.000 I mean, this is the first time it's being heard. 0.98

02:49:43.000 Nobody's ever spoke about this.

02:49:44.000 So you have this all documented?

02:49:47.000 You know all the players?

02:49:49.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:49:51.000 And some of the biggest people in hip-hop are going to be seen talking about it too.

02:49:57.000 You're going to see.

02:49:58.000 I mean, it's going to make a bunch of noise.

02:50:03.000 And some people are going to get exposed.

02:50:06.000 When do you think this is going to come out?

02:50:07.000 It's top of the year.

02:50:09.000 Top of the year.

02:50:09.000 Oh, so soon.

02:50:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:50:11.000 Okay.

02:50:12.000 We'll come back when it's on.

02:50:15.000 Yeah.

02:50:15.000 When it's on, come back.

02:50:16.000 Absolutely.

02:50:17.000 We'll let it come out.

02:50:19.000 Come back.

02:50:20.000 We'll promote it.

02:50:20.000 We'll talk about it.

02:50:21.000 We'll talk about the reaction to it.

02:50:23.000 Absolutely.

02:50:24.000 Yeah, we're going in hard, man.

02:50:26.000 Yeah.

02:50:27.000 Coming from that, for me, the reason why I'm really excited about being involved in it is because I was there while this meeting is going on and didn't know it.

02:50:40.000 If I'd have known that meeting was going on and these people felt this way, I think I would have done something.

02:50:49.000 I don't know what exactly, but I probably would have been more I probably would have been more cognitive of my message, what I was going to say and how it was being received.

02:51:05.000 Right.

02:51:06.000 And even the artists that I did business with.

02:51:12.000 It's a very complex web of deceit for the entire purpose of control and manipulation.

02:51:24.000 It would have been really hard to get the word out back then.

02:51:29.000 Yeah.

02:51:30.000 It would have been buried.

02:51:31.000 I mean, we're talking about the biggest of the biggest people.

02:51:35.000 Power.

02:51:36.000 Real power.

02:51:36.000 There's no internet back then.

02:51:38.000 Yeah.

02:51:39.000 It's not like today where you could just get that word out.

02:51:41.000 And, you know, the major stage networks, they wouldn't have carried it, you know?

02:51:43.000 They would have been able to stroke the check because they played a part in it, too.

02:51:48.000 So they definitely wouldn't have spoke on it.

02:51:52.000 Yeah, but it's dirty, man, because you see now, you see what happened to hip-hop, where you see all this gun talk, and you turn on, you see these videos, and every video, somebody got a gun, they waving guns, and even on social media,

02:52:08.000 they waving guns, you know, just sitting in the kitchen, sitting on the bed, you know, just waving guns and talking about killing each other.

02:52:19.000 And then you see, when the killings happen, I mean, we got to take responsibility.

02:52:26.000 I think everybody, we're at a point like we don't have a choice.

02:52:31.000 And so anybody that may have even been involved in the past and they got a conscience or they think that they want an opportunity to get right, make it right, They can't be worried about what somebody's saying.

02:52:47.000 Well, you did this and what about you?

02:52:49.000 No.

02:52:50.000 If you can contribute to changing the trajectory of what this music is, you should.

02:53:01.000 I think this is the first generation of music lovers who are not going to get the best generation of music makers.

02:53:14.000 Because a lot of great music makers, they don't want to make the music.

02:53:19.000 They don't like it.

02:53:19.000 They don't want to play this game.

02:53:21.000 They don't want to be in this kind of game.

02:53:23.000 So what are we getting?

02:53:24.000 We're getting a whole lot of dudes who are just mumbling and aren't qualified to really be in this game.

02:53:32.000 When I was coming up and I saw rappers rapping, you know...

02:53:41.000 It was people I was looking at like, man, you got to be good to do that.

02:53:45.000 Right.

02:53:45.000 People would say, man, you got to really be good to be a rapper.

02:53:49.000 Biggie. 0.65

02:53:49.000 And now you see it today and everybody's like, I can do that. 0.65

02:53:53.000 Right.

02:53:53.000 You know, I can do that.

02:53:55.000 Why do you think that got popular?

02:53:57.000 What's that?

02:53:57.000 Mumble rap.

02:53:58.000 I don't understand that.

02:53:59.000 It was part of the narrative.

02:54:02.000 It was part of the conspiracy to destroy hip-hop, to kill the message in the music.

02:54:09.000 If we let them mumble and just say anything, ha ha ha ha ha, the people that are pulling the strings, just let them come on and say anything.

02:54:16.000 So they're promoting that, and they can profit off that, and then hip-hop has no message now.

02:54:20.000 Because, look, if they couldn't profit off of it, then they would say, all right, okay, it ain't working.

02:54:25.000 They would've changed courses.

02:54:26.000 Right, but they could profit off of it.

02:54:28.000 But they saw that they could...

02:54:29.000 Wait a minute, we could still make money.

02:54:30.000 In fact, we can make more money with them saying nothing.

02:54:36.000 I mean, listen, man...

02:54:37.000 This is documented?

02:54:39.000 There's documented conversations?

02:54:41.000 Yes.

02:54:41.000 Wow.

02:54:42.000 Listen.

02:54:45.000 My partner in rhyme, Brad Jordan, Scarface, He spoke on this a few years ago.

02:54:54.000 He said that you can't tell me that there's not a conspiracy to destroy hip-hop.

02:55:05.000 Look at the type of artists they're signing.

02:55:07.000 Look at the type of black artists they're signing. 0.72

02:55:10.000 And look at the type of white artists they're signing.

02:55:12.000 The white artists, white hip-hop artists, most of them have a message in their music.

02:55:20.000 You listen to most of the black artists, they just mumbling, talking about anything. 1.00

02:55:26.000 So there's a high grade. 0.88

02:55:27.000 So enforcing.

02:55:28.000 They're enforcing that kind of hip-hop. 0.82

02:55:31.000 They're promoting it.

02:55:33.000 Yeah.

02:55:33.000 And they're letting people know, you go this way, you're going to make it.

02:55:37.000 You go this way, there's success and money.

02:55:39.000 But if you try to have a message, we're not interested.

02:55:42.000 Right. 1.00

02:55:42.000 If you're black. 1.00

02:55:43.000 But if you're white.

02:55:44.000 If you're white, you are right. 1.00

02:55:47.000 Wow.

02:55:49.000 Man, look.

02:55:50.000 You gotta take my word.

02:55:52.000 I believe it.

02:55:52.000 Just listen.

02:55:54.000 I've always wondered.

02:55:55.000 I have zero understanding of the music industry, but I've always wondered.

02:55:59.000 But just listen to the music.

02:56:00.000 Just listen to the difference.

02:56:02.000 Yeah.

02:56:02.000 Go listen to some of the white artists.

02:56:04.000 Go listen to any top white artists.

02:56:09.000 Listen to those white artists. 0.58

02:56:11.000 And then listen to the top black artists.

02:56:14.000 You know, you got some top black artists that's a real good and got a message like the Kendricks and the J. Coles and stuff like that.

02:56:20.000 We all know who those artists are.

02:56:21.000 But there are a lot of top black artists ain't saying nothing. 1.00

02:56:24.000 They mumbling.

02:56:25.000 They ain't saying nothing.

02:56:27.000 And people comparing them to Tupac, out of all people, Yeah.

02:56:32.000 The internet is this sort of Wild West when it comes to distribution.

02:56:39.000 Like, if you are an artist and you have something that people find that's good and you could put it out on the internet, the way you do a podcast, you can avoid a lot of these executives, can't you?

02:56:53.000 I always wondered, like, what value do executives have today?

02:56:57.000 Well, that's where Toby Nguigwe comes in.

02:57:00.000 He's an artist out of Houston.

02:57:02.000 He's independent.

02:57:03.000 He's drawing crowds of 4, 5, 6, 7,000 people.

02:57:07.000 A lot of guys have done that now, right?

02:57:09.000 By themselves.

02:57:10.000 He's totally independent.

02:57:11.000 That seems to me to be the way to avoid this in the future, right?

02:57:16.000 Yeah.

02:57:17.000 Artists, straight artists to the people.

02:57:19.000 He's going artist. 1.00

02:57:20.000 No fucking... 1.00

02:57:21.000 What good does a record executive do you today? 1.00

02:57:25.000 No one sells records.

02:57:27.000 Yeah, well, the record executives still wield a lot of power and influence in...

02:57:35.000 Streaming.

02:57:35.000 ...giving you resources and putting...

02:57:40.000 When, let's say, Joe Blow, independent, wants to be on the front cover of, on the first page of Apple Music.

02:57:53.000 Well, Universal has an artist.

02:57:59.000 One of the top tier artists that they want to put on that same page.

02:58:03.000 Who do you think Apple's going to get a space to? 0.97

02:58:05.000 They have an influence.

02:58:07.000 But they have less influence now than they used to, right?

02:58:09.000 They have less influence, but they still have influence.

02:58:12.000 And this is why they're still called majors.

02:58:14.000 And they still make a lot of money.

02:58:18.000 And they still have the power when it comes to award shows, influence that they have in getting people...

02:58:30.000 Considered for awards.

02:58:32.000 And even when it comes to winning them.

02:58:35.000 You know, getting on the midnight shows and stuff like that.

02:58:39.000 People need their own award show.

02:58:41.000 People need to make award shows with no executives.

02:58:43.000 That would be interesting.

02:58:44.000 They'll sell it out.

02:58:45.000 They'll sell out though.

02:58:46.000 Because the execs, the big guys will just come and just offer a fat check. 0.97

02:58:50.000 And most of them are not going to be firm like you was When Spotify came to you, you said, no, I'll do this.

02:59:01.000 I'm interested in this.

02:59:03.000 I'll talk to you, but I got to be able to do me.

02:59:05.000 On Spotify's defense, they literally never even tried.

02:59:09.000 They liked the show as is.

02:59:11.000 It was part of the...

02:59:13.000 Well, that's good.

02:59:14.000 That's good for them.

02:59:16.000 And good for you also, because it's important, man, when you have a vision, you got something that works and people see that vision and they say, look, man, we like you.

02:59:29.000 We like you just the way you are.

02:59:31.000 Think about being in a relationship.

02:59:33.000 Yeah.

02:59:34.000 And, you know, a romantic relationship.

02:59:36.000 Exactly the same.

02:59:36.000 And that person likes you exactly like you are.

02:59:38.000 Or the worst.

02:59:39.000 Yeah.

02:59:40.000 Someone's like, hmm, Willie's alright, but I can change him and make him what I want.

02:59:44.000 Right.

02:59:45.000 And then they get you in there under false pretenses and start manipulating you and shift you.

02:59:50.000 I want to change the way you dress, Willie.

02:59:53.000 Hey, you know, I'm open.

02:59:55.000 I'm open, baby, what you look like, baby.

02:59:58.000 That's a simple thing.

02:59:59.000 That doesn't change much.

03:00:01.000 Listen, man, we're already more than three hours in.

03:00:03.000 Is that right?

03:00:04.000 That's crazy.

03:00:05.000 How long are we going to do it, Jamie?

03:00:08.000 Yeah.

03:00:08.000 That's good work.

03:00:09.000 So yeah, I enjoyed it very much.

03:00:12.000 So let's plan on coming back after the documentary comes out.

03:00:16.000 We'll come back and we'll talk about that and this way I can watch it and we'll talk about the documentary.

03:00:22.000 Absolutely.

03:00:23.000 In the meantime, I'm glad you're doing a podcast.

03:00:25.000 I tell too many people, people get mad at me because I'm always like, you should do a podcast.

03:00:29.000 But I say it because...

03:00:31.000 It's the freest form of expression I think the world's ever known.

03:00:35.000 There's never been an opportunity like this where people can express themselves. 0.99

03:00:39.000 And I know you got a lot of shit to say. 0.99

03:00:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:00:42.000 I want you to also, man, you got to come to my restaurant, man, when you come to Houston.

03:00:46.000 I would love to.

03:00:47.000 The Station Seafood.

03:00:49.000 I'm in.

03:00:49.000 The Station Seafood.

03:00:50.000 I'm in.

03:00:51.000 All right.

03:00:53.000 We are right now franchising.

03:00:58.000 All right.

03:00:59.000 Put that out there, y'all.

03:01:00.000 Put that out there.

03:01:01.000 Yeah, if y'all want to be involved, go to ilovetestation.com and you'll see our franchise information.

03:01:07.000 But yeah, the station seafood, man, we killing the game.

03:01:11.000 If you love seafood, come on out and eat and break bread for real with your boy, Willie D. Sounds good.

03:01:20.000 Beautiful.

03:01:20.000 H-Town.

03:01:21.000 Appreciate it, bro.

03:01:21.000 In the house.

03:01:22.000 Thank you very much.

03:01:23.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:01:23.000 Thank you.

03:01:24.000 Willie D, ladies and gentlemen.

03:01:25.000 Good night.

03:01:26.000 No more talking.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 25, 2020

Joe Rogan Experience #1570 - Willie D & Mike Judge

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