The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1617 - Mike Baker

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00:00:20.000 Hey now.

00:00:21.000 Good to see you, buddy.

00:00:22.000 What's happening?

00:00:22.000 Good to be seen.

00:00:23.000 Good to be seen.

00:00:24.000 You know, not much going on in these times of ours.

00:00:28.000 I'm very excited to talk to you because I had a guy on, Jamie Metzl yesterday, a scientist who scared the shit out of me, talking about China.

00:00:35.000 He's talking about China.

00:00:37.000 We were talking about China amassing naval power, China's...

00:00:42.000 Taking over tech companies and how huge they're getting and how much influence they have over their people as opposed to the way we do it.

00:00:51.000 Well, he's not wrong.

00:00:53.000 No.

00:00:53.000 Yeah, I can't spot the line in what you just said.

00:00:56.000 I mean, look, there's so much we can talk about.

00:01:00.000 But if you think about it, just in the past handful of months, There was this SolarWinds hack, right, by the Russians. 0.63

00:01:11.000 So the Russians go in, they hack into a company called SolarWinds that is an IT management software company that happens to be fairly deep into government organizations, agencies, treasury, and a variety of others throughout the U.S. government.

00:01:27.000 And they're also into parts of the intel community, defense department, and a lot of commercial sectors.

00:01:34.000 So anyway, the Russians figure this out.

00:01:36.000 Now, around about December or January, Microsoft identified this as a problem.

00:01:43.000 And I think it was the head of Microsoft said, this looks like the most sophisticated attack we've ever seen.

00:01:49.000 So this is December, January timeframe.

00:01:51.000 And they're still trying to figure out the depth of this hack by Russians. 0.64

00:01:55.000 At the same time, and going back months and months and months and months before, the Chinese... 1.00

00:02:01.000 had been engaged in a more sophisticated attack that while everyone is focused on what's going on and so fully aware that we got problems, right, from nation states out there who don't like us, Everybody's talking about SolarWinds, and now it's,

00:02:17.000 you know, they've just now released information about the Chinese attack against Microsoft Exchange servers, running the Exchange email systems.

00:02:27.000 And this thing is enormous.

00:02:31.000 And so the Chinese, yeah, I mean, we've been so focused for four years on the Russians, you know, and they're, you know, they're out there to cause us all sorts of problems. 1.00

00:02:40.000 So we should be focused on them.

00:02:43.000 But it's China that's the biggest problem. 0.95

00:02:45.000 And so this guy is absolutely right.

00:02:46.000 Jamie's right.

00:02:47.000 It was terrifying.

00:02:48.000 Listen to what he was talking about, the way he was explaining how they have this plan.

00:02:54.000 I think he said 2049 to be the global superpower of the world and essentially take the place of what America used to be.

00:03:03.000 But do it their way.

00:03:04.000 And do it their way, which means we're going to bypass all the costs and the heavy lift of research and development over the years, which is going to steal everything.

00:03:12.000 And they've been doing it for decades.

00:03:13.000 So people think, oh, China, it's a problem.

00:03:16.000 We've talked about this before, this idea that perhaps this is just something relatively new or it's popped up during the previous administration of Trump. 0.99

00:03:24.000 Honest to God's truth is it's been going on for decades, and they decided that that's how they're going to get to the top of the food chain, is by stealing shit, because it's a lot easier to hoover up everything and then reverse engineer it. 0.93

00:03:38.000 And the technology has made it even easier, right? 0.97

00:03:41.000 It used to be old school.

00:03:42.000 They'd go out and recruit somebody.

00:03:43.000 They'd find some Chinese-American working for a company here in the States.

00:03:47.000 They'd appeal to sort of, you know, you got to help the motherland, and they would.

00:03:51.000 And that was the old school way of doing it.

00:03:54.000 You know, cyber theft is, it's incredible what they're able to do.

00:03:59.000 And this latest attack, while they're still trying to sort out the mess, right?

00:04:02.000 So when they do this, so if they get into this email server, are they targeting anything specific?

00:04:09.000 Is there specific companies?

00:04:11.000 Are they just like throwing a net out there and seeing what they catch?

00:04:15.000 Yes, is the answer to both of those.

00:04:19.000 It looks like what happened here was that Their initial point of attack or the initial focus was intelligence, right?

00:04:30.000 So then it branched out, and it branched out very, very quickly, right, to hit everything, small companies, medium-sized companies.

00:04:38.000 And that's kind of the M.O. for the Chinese, the Chinese regime, right, and their intel operations.

00:04:47.000 They've got this long vision, and they've also got the resources, and they've got the desire to hoover up everything and then sort it out later.

00:04:55.000 We take, as a country, we take a very sort of targeted approach, right?

00:05:00.000 We say, okay, this is a piece of information that's a priority tasking for the U.S., for our national security.

00:05:05.000 We're going to go out.

00:05:06.000 We're going to figure out who has access to it.

00:05:07.000 We're going to develop a very sort of surgical strike to figure out how do we get to somebody who's got this piece of information.

00:05:14.000 That's typically how...

00:05:16.000 We or some of our allies would operate.

00:05:18.000 The Russians, the Chinese, have always had a different approach.

00:05:21.000 I mean, the Russians is less elegant. 1.00

00:05:22.000 The Russians just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks, right? 1.00

00:05:25.000 But the Chinese, they've got this long view and they've also got this ability. 0.99

00:05:30.000 So in this particular attack that they're still trying to assess that was perpetrated by Chinese state-sponsored hackers based in China, they They're just going to take everything,

00:05:46.000 and then they'll sift through it.

00:05:47.000 They'll figure out what they got.

00:05:48.000 A lot of it's going to be just, you know, chafe, not of interest, but they're going to find a lot of gold in there, too.

00:05:54.000 And they're willing to do that because they've got the patience to do it.

00:05:57.000 They'll develop a target.

00:05:59.000 They'll develop a potential recruit for years and years and years.

00:06:03.000 Or they'll infiltrate a society or an organization, right?

00:06:08.000 They'll put a student out here who's actually working for the PLA, for their intel operations.

00:06:15.000 They'll put them out as an undergrad, and then they'll go to school, and they'll get good grades, and they'll go to grad school, and they'll get a job, and they'll get another job, and then 30 years down the line, it may pay off, but they're willing to make that investment.

00:06:27.000 So we should be scared.

00:06:30.000 Well, we shouldn't be scared, but we should, yeah.

00:06:34.000 I don't think we should be scared, but I think what we should be is...

00:06:38.000 Is pragmatic and understand why, for instance, I mean, there was a lot of, you know, hue and cry over the past four years.

00:06:45.000 I can't believe I just said hue and cry.

00:06:46.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:06:48.000 It's old-timey.

00:06:49.000 Is it?

00:06:50.000 Oh, by golly!

00:06:52.000 What is hue and cry?

00:06:52.000 Look at me.

00:06:53.000 It's like the cat's pajamas.

00:06:56.000 It's so...

00:06:58.000 Four years of Trump and sort of his antagonistic relationship with China, and people were all wringing their hands in Washington, D.C., sort of the think tankers and the traditional pundits and the diplomats of the U.S., the long-term people.

00:07:14.000 Oh, my God, we've got this adversarial relationship with China. 1.00

00:07:16.000 Well, you know what?

00:07:17.000 We better.

00:07:18.000 So that's not a bad thing.

00:07:19.000 So I'm hoping the current administration maintains to some degree.

00:07:22.000 And we'll see what happens.

00:07:24.000 They still haven't responded to the SolarWinds, to the Russian hack.

00:07:27.000 They're talking about it.

00:07:28.000 Now they're saying they're going to engage in several clandestine retaliatory acts.

00:07:34.000 Well, it's not that clandestine because they've announced that they're going to do it.

00:07:40.000 But I'm hoping that they will take serious action against the SolarWinds Russian Act, but they've got to with China. 0.96

00:07:48.000 They've got to maintain this posture. 0.99

00:07:51.000 We've got to make it clear and understood to the Chinese regime that we're not going to put up with this shit. 0.99

00:07:58.000 They're going to keep doing it, but we've got to make it painful for them. 0.99

00:08:00.000 So how do you make it painful?

00:08:02.000 Well, you know, it's the old word sanctions.

00:08:05.000 You got to go with the sanctions because there's not much else.

00:08:07.000 Trade wars, you know, I know everybody hates a trade war, not everybody, but you've got to find a way because the problem with cyber shenanigans is that there's no real clear definition, right?

00:08:21.000 We know if a country fires a ballistic missile off, You know, we know what the retaliatory act is.

00:08:28.000 We know what an appropriate response is.

00:08:30.000 In cyberspace, when you're talking about warfare, Coming up with a definition is very difficult and hasn't been done yet.

00:08:37.000 We've got Cyber Command, right?

00:08:38.000 And we're still trying to sort out what are appropriate responses because it can escalate quickly, right?

00:08:43.000 Next thing you know, they could shut down our infrastructure, right?

00:08:46.000 Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about, supposedly what they did in India.

00:08:51.000 So if you could explain that to people, they shut down the power grid in India, allegedly.

00:08:56.000 They said they didn't do it, but apparently there was some sort of a warning about the power going out, right?

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:03.000 They've done it – I mean the Russians did it famously in Ukraine, right? 0.72

00:09:07.000 I mean not that long ago.

00:09:08.000 And China's ability to interfere in infrastructure here in the U.S. or in India or with our allies is because for years now they've been probing.

00:09:21.000 There's been testing going on.

00:09:22.000 We talk about – it's a good example.

00:09:27.000 We talk about how in the US we have three grids and I think people were stunned to find out that Texas has its own power grid.

00:09:34.000 Well, yeah, but it's not so much – people were like, oh my god, look at Texas.

00:09:39.000 They're terrible because – they wanted to make it a political thing.

00:09:41.000 They wanted to make it sound like the reason why it's so terrible is because it's Republicans and they've got – they want their own independence. 0.99

00:09:48.000 Well, No, all three grids are fucked, right? 0.95

00:09:52.000 The East and the West and the Texas grids are all cobbled together over the years. 0.98

00:09:56.000 So it's a very...

00:09:57.000 So it's like a patchwork quilt.

00:09:59.000 And they were never built to withstand physical attacks.

00:10:05.000 I mean, you could drive by any substation, right?

00:10:08.000 You could get close enough to pee on it.

00:10:09.000 And there's...

00:10:10.000 They certainly were never designed to withstand a cyber attack.

00:10:14.000 So...

00:10:17.000 Over the years, what goes on is essentially a mapping exercise, right?

00:10:22.000 Whether it's the Russians, whether it's the Chinese, whether it's the North Koreans using Chinese capabilities, whether it's the Iranians, whomever, they're in there probing and trying to understand the weaknesses, and they're drawing up a map.

00:10:34.000 Now, the reason why they're doing that is to have a game plan, right?

00:10:37.000 And I guarantee you, sitting on a desk somewhere not too far from, you know, Xi's office, is a playbook that says, if this thing escalates, here's what we're going to do.

00:10:49.000 And if you think, like, it was bad in Texas, you know, a couple weeks ago when, you know, the power was out, and it was bad, but think about that lasting forever.

00:11:01.000 We're good to go.

00:11:17.000 And that's where the next big battle is going to be fought, right?

00:11:20.000 They're going to bring it to the homeland. 0.97

00:11:22.000 And we will do the same thing, right?

00:11:23.000 It's not like we're not doing it because people always say when I say something like that, well, the U.S. does it too. 0.97

00:11:27.000 I think, well, fuck yeah, the U.S. does it. 0.95

00:11:29.000 We better. 0.99

00:11:30.000 We better hope we're prepared.

00:11:32.000 Does that frustrate you when people say that?

00:11:35.000 Well, the U.S. does it too.

00:11:36.000 Yeah, it does in a sense because – and this is where I think – You know, now personal opinion comes into it.

00:11:42.000 Look, I spent most of my adult life overseas, and I like to think that I've got a fairly pragmatic view on things.

00:11:50.000 I do admit that I, you know, obviously, look, I look at the U.S., and I like to think, and I have seen on occasion, we do a lot of things for the right reasons.

00:11:58.000 Sometimes we don't do it properly, right?

00:12:00.000 We make mistakes.

00:12:02.000 Of course we make mistakes.

00:12:03.000 But we try to self-correct.

00:12:06.000 I guarantee you, if we're talking about the major powers out there, if we're talking about China and us, if we're talking about the Chinese regime, I'm talking about obviously, if we're talking about the Russians, the Iranians, the North Koreans, we better hope that we stay up there, right? 0.92

00:12:18.000 And are able to exert influence and leverage and control the top, right?

00:12:24.000 Because if it's—and again, maybe I'm wrong here, but the Chinese don't view anything in an altruistic manner. 0.68

00:12:31.000 The Chinese regime, right? 0.77

00:12:33.000 It's all about self-interest.

00:12:36.000 And sometimes, I'll tell you what's frustrating, sometimes we seem to be the only country out there that apologizes, right, for that sort of thing.

00:12:43.000 And so when we act in our own best interest and we go, well, we're really sorry about that.

00:12:46.000 You know, we're kind of acting in our own best interest. 0.99

00:12:48.000 Well, every other nation does it and they don't give a fuck. 0.97

00:12:52.000 Yeah, but shouldn't we be the moral high ground for the world? 0.98

00:12:54.000 I think we should. 0.99

00:12:55.000 I think it's nice if we do all the same shit they do. 0.99

00:12:58.000 We say, sorry. 1.00

00:13:00.000 As long as we do all the same shit. 0.99

00:13:01.000 I guess it doesn't cost anything to say sorry. 0.99

00:13:03.000 It's not a bad thing.

00:13:04.000 It's not a bad thing.

00:13:05.000 We're setting a tone.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, I guess that's true.

00:13:07.000 As long as we're also then, at the same time, acting at our own best interest.

00:13:11.000 Because we have to be, again, we have to be pragmatic.

00:13:13.000 If we think that somehow, you know, look at climate change.

00:13:16.000 Obviously, it's back on the table.

00:13:18.000 It's a big issue.

00:13:19.000 It's a major policy direction.

00:13:20.000 Hey, fine.

00:13:21.000 Great.

00:13:21.000 Who doesn't want clean energy?

00:13:23.000 But, you know, To act as if China's not the number one polluter out there is insane.

00:13:31.000 Yeah, that's where it gets weird.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, it gets a little weird.

00:13:34.000 It's a giant difference between the amount of particulates, the amount of pollution, the amount of CO2. I think they've tried hard to mitigate that over the last few years in particular, but you remember when they had the Beijing Olympics and they had to shut everything down because the air quality was so bad that it would actually be dangerous for the athletes to perform and to compete.

00:13:58.000 Under those conditions.

00:14:00.000 Light it up, baby.

00:14:02.000 Don't worry about it.

00:14:04.000 I'm not allowed to smoke cigars in the house because I don't want to set a bad example for Scooter and Sluggo and Muggsy.

00:14:10.000 Well, I'm allowed to in the house, but I get yelled at by the kids.

00:14:13.000 Do you have air handlers in any part of your house?

00:14:15.000 No, I have a thing, one of those purifiers, those air things that suck things out.

00:14:20.000 And I have some spray that I bought on Amazon that's supposed to kill the spray.

00:14:24.000 Like Febreze?

00:14:25.000 Yeah, and in my office, I have a window thing.

00:14:28.000 I open the windows and get the air out.

00:14:29.000 That's old school.

00:14:30.000 That's good.

00:14:31.000 Yeah, it works.

00:14:31.000 But I live with all women, man.

00:14:33.000 It's all women in my fucking house. 1.00

00:14:34.000 It's always women in there. 1.00

00:14:36.000 I like being a man every now and then.

00:14:38.000 I put the fights on.

00:14:39.000 I smoke a cigar.

00:14:40.000 I put my feet up.

00:14:41.000 I feel like a man again, Mike Baker.

00:14:43.000 No, I know.

00:14:44.000 Look, I got a different situation.

00:14:45.000 My wife is completely outnumbered, right? 1.00

00:14:47.000 Even with the pets, except for we got a Siberian hamster that's a female, we think.

00:14:51.000 I got a male dog, at least.

00:14:52.000 There you go.

00:14:52.000 How do you know?

00:14:53.000 How's he doing?

00:14:54.000 Marshall?

00:14:54.000 He's awesome.

00:14:55.000 He's the best.

00:14:55.000 Marshall, right?

00:14:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:57.000 Dogs are great.

00:15:00.000 So yeah, the Chinese is... 0.99

00:15:03.000 I hate to... 0.94

00:15:03.000 Not good. 0.94

00:15:04.000 I think sometimes people say, ah, quit kicking the Chinese in the ass. 1.00

00:15:08.000 But the regime really does have a plan, as you pointed out. 0.99

00:15:12.000 They would like to accelerate that plan to before 2049. And it's everything.

00:15:18.000 It's the aggression in the South Pacific Seas.

00:15:21.000 It's the buildup of their military, particularly their navy.

00:15:24.000 It's...

00:15:25.000 It's primarily, the part that is most frustrating is the theft of intellectual property.

00:15:30.000 And, I mean, look, this hack that I just talked about earlier with Microsoft, with the exchange.

00:15:38.000 We're getting screwed, right?

00:15:40.000 So they're out there. 0.95

00:15:41.000 We don't know the extent.

00:15:42.000 We know it's huge.

00:15:42.000 We don't know the extent yet of this attack.

00:15:45.000 But do you think that's going to stop?

00:15:47.000 Is Microsoft going to stop doing business in China?

00:15:49.000 No.

00:15:50.000 Absolutely not.

00:15:51.000 No.

00:15:51.000 Facebook is banned.

00:15:53.000 You know what's not banned?

00:15:57.000 Microsoft, right?

00:15:58.000 LinkedIn, right?

00:15:59.000 Bing, right? 0.99

00:16:01.000 Who the fuck uses Bing? 0.99

00:16:03.000 I know. 1.00

00:16:03.000 Bing. 1.00

00:16:04.000 I know.

00:16:04.000 I didn't even know it was still in existence.

00:16:05.000 I have a Windows laptop.

00:16:07.000 It wants to pull up Bing sometimes.

00:16:09.000 I'm like, what are you doing?

00:16:11.000 Please get out of here.

00:16:12.000 I know.

00:16:12.000 Bing.

00:16:13.000 But at that point, Bing is...

00:16:14.000 How bad is Bing?

00:16:16.000 It's not bad.

00:16:16.000 Is it bad?

00:16:17.000 Bad of Bing?

00:16:18.000 It's just no one's using it, right?

00:16:20.000 I'd use DuckDuckGo.

00:16:21.000 That's what I like.

00:16:22.000 Because DuckDuckGo gives me uncurated information.

00:16:26.000 That's good.

00:16:29.000 DuckDuckGo doesn't save your information.

00:16:30.000 It's not trying to use your data.

00:16:34.000 And it just gives you a search.

00:16:36.000 Do you know what it is?

00:16:37.000 Are you aware of it?

00:16:38.000 No.

00:16:38.000 Look at me.

00:16:40.000 I know how to do a couple of things on my laptop.

00:16:43.000 One of them is send emails.

00:16:44.000 I've looked for things on Google and I couldn't find them page after page.

00:16:48.000 I looked on DuckDuckGo and I find them instantly.

00:16:50.000 DuckDuckGo does not censor or curate any of the information.

00:16:54.000 It just tries to search out keywords that you're looking for.

00:16:58.000 So here's a perfect example.

00:16:59.000 How do you know it's not curated though?

00:17:01.000 Well, the difference is the way I try to find things on Google and try to find things on DuckDuckGo.

00:17:06.000 This is a good example.

00:17:07.000 There was a doctor in Florida who died immediately after the COVID vaccination.

00:17:14.000 Whether it's causation or correlation or just random...

00:17:18.000 Bad luck.

00:17:19.000 Coincidence.

00:17:20.000 This guy was in his 50s.

00:17:22.000 He was relatively healthy, as far as the article says.

00:17:26.000 Takes COVID vaccination, dies.

00:17:28.000 So I'm trying to find out what this is, because somebody sent it to me, and then I Google it.

00:17:32.000 I cannot find it.

00:17:33.000 Two, three, four pages in, can't find it.

00:17:35.000 Duck, duck, go. 0.93

00:17:36.000 First page, right away.

00:17:38.000 I'm like, well, something's happening.

00:17:40.000 I think Google is trying to...

00:17:44.000 Look, I think they're doing it for altruistic purposes.

00:17:47.000 I think they think that they're being good citizens and good human beings, trying to encourage people to get vaccinated, and they want to discourage anti-vax propaganda.

00:18:00.000 If you have 320 million people that get vaccinated, you're going to have 100, 200, 1,000, 2,000 horror stories.

00:18:08.000 That's just...

00:18:09.000 That's if you give 320 million people Tylenol, you're going to have 2,000 horror stories, right?

00:18:16.000 Yeah, I remember the Tylenol scale.

00:18:16.000 Agreed?

00:18:18.000 I remember that from years ago.

00:18:19.000 Well, that was different, though.

00:18:19.000 That was someone was poisoning.

00:18:21.000 But I mean, if you just give them...

00:18:21.000 Exactly.

00:18:23.000 I mean, Tylenol might not be the best example, but there's a lot of medication that if you give people...

00:18:28.000 Some people, for whatever reason, like I'm not allergic to dogs, but my wife's allergic to dogs.

00:18:34.000 Some people, like my friend Brian, his mom, if she even licks a Brazil nut, she's dead.

00:18:42.000 My wife's like that with hazelnuts. 1.00

00:18:45.000 I don't know what the fuck that is, but this is also the case with virtually anything that gets introduced to the human body. 0.98

00:18:52.000 We vary so much biologically that if you have a wide swath of people, if you have an enormous number, 330 plus million, you're going to have a few horrible cases. 0.97

00:19:03.000 Now, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't get vaccinated.

00:19:05.000 It doesn't mean people shouldn't eat Brazil nuts.

00:19:07.000 It just means you should kind of have access to all the information, but we also should have...

00:19:14.000 Unbiased, objective reporting of these things.

00:19:17.000 And someone should state it that way.

00:19:19.000 And I try to do that.

00:19:20.000 Is DuckDuckGo, is that spelled?

00:19:22.000 Is it some funky spelling?

00:19:23.000 It's just an app.

00:19:25.000 I have them on my phone.

00:19:25.000 It's an app.

00:19:26.000 It's spelled like duck.

00:19:27.000 It's not like D-U-K or anything. 1.00

00:19:29.000 Stupid shit. 1.00

00:19:29.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:19:30.000 Clever thing. 0.82

00:19:31.000 It actually is a duck and the logo is a duck.

00:19:33.000 But I like it.

00:19:34.000 We're getting a farm duck. 1.00

00:19:36.000 Their eggs taste like shit, though. 0.99

00:19:38.000 Have you ever had duck eggs? 1.00

00:19:40.000 I have had duck eggs, yeah. 0.99

00:19:41.000 I bought a fucking dozen duck eggs. 0.99

00:19:43.000 Where'd you get duck eggs from? 1.00

00:19:43.000 I gave them to my dog. 1.00

00:19:44.000 From some fucking weirdo market. 1.00

00:19:46.000 Yeah, farm the table market. 1.00

00:19:48.000 Yeah, some weirdo market serving duck eggs. 1.00

00:19:51.000 They suck. 1.00

00:19:51.000 They're in fear. 1.00

00:19:52.000 They're slimy.

00:19:53.000 We're just getting the farm duck for entertainment purposes.

00:19:57.000 But they leave like a film on your mouth.

00:20:02.000 Well, that's good to know that.

00:20:03.000 I'm going to tell my boys, don't eat the duck eggs.

00:20:05.000 Like if you blew Donald Duck, it'd probably be the same as eating a duck egg.

00:20:10.000 I mean, look, it's a matter of starving.

00:20:11.000 The only person to know about that would be Daisy.

00:20:13.000 Quail eggs, though, are delicious.

00:20:16.000 Quail eggs are delicious.

00:20:17.000 I had a quail egg last night.

00:20:18.000 Did you?

00:20:19.000 I did.

00:20:20.000 Look at you fancy culinary guy.

00:20:20.000 I was sitting on top of some tuna tartare.

00:20:23.000 Oh, look at tuna tartare.

00:20:23.000 Oh!

00:20:26.000 Look at you.

00:20:26.000 I know.

00:20:27.000 Whale eggs.

00:20:28.000 Well, let me just adjust my ascot.

00:20:30.000 Did it have a tiny sprinkling of parsley?

00:20:33.000 Yeah, I believe there might have been foam on the plate, too.

00:20:35.000 Remember, that was a big thing.

00:20:37.000 Foam.

00:20:37.000 We're going to put foam on there.

00:20:38.000 Don't put foam on my plate.

00:20:38.000 When people do that drizzle of, like, balsamic.

00:20:41.000 Put a little bit there, you go, creepy, Chris.

00:20:43.000 No, it's...

00:20:44.000 What was I going to say?

00:20:46.000 Oh, the Russians. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Something about the... 1.00

00:20:47.000 You talk about the...

00:20:50.000 Inability to get information.

00:20:51.000 So you talk about vaccines.

00:20:52.000 So just something popped in my head.

00:20:54.000 The Russians are at it again, right? 1.00

00:20:56.000 So they did the solo wins.

00:20:57.000 They know that retaliation is...

00:20:59.000 You have a hard time with that word.

00:21:01.000 I do. 0.99

00:21:02.000 Fucking hell. 0.99

00:21:02.000 What's the problem? 0.99

00:21:03.000 Retaliation.

00:21:04.000 That's good.

00:21:04.000 Retaliation.

00:21:05.000 You're kind of from another country, but it's England.

00:21:08.000 Right?

00:21:09.000 Yeah, aluminum.

00:21:09.000 You were born in England?

00:21:11.000 Yeah, that's a weird one.

00:21:12.000 And tires with a Y. Yeah, we want to put extra vowels.

00:21:15.000 But you're American, basically.

00:21:17.000 Oh, sure, yeah.

00:21:18.000 First and foremost.

00:21:18.000 How American are you?

00:21:19.000 When were you born there?

00:21:21.000 You lived there to how long?

00:21:23.000 And then I moved to Australia.

00:21:23.000 My childhood.

00:21:25.000 What year did you move to America?

00:21:27.000 I did my final year of high school in America.

00:21:29.000 You can't be trusted.

00:21:30.000 Of course I can't be.

00:21:31.000 You're basically a foreigner. 1.00

00:21:32.000 I'm a very trustworthy person.

00:21:33.000 I feel like he's a foreign agent working for the CIA. Right, Jamie?

00:21:36.000 Don't you feel this way?

00:21:37.000 It seems harsh, Jamie.

00:21:38.000 Don't say yes, Jamie.

00:21:40.000 And I'm a big fan of Australians.

00:21:40.000 I know there's pressure to say yes.

00:21:41.000 Australians are basically, I feel like...

00:21:44.000 Australians are great.

00:21:45.000 Say nothing bad about Australians. 1.00

00:21:47.000 No, I fucking love Australia. 0.98

00:21:49.000 If I was going to live anywhere outside the United States and Canada, I would live in Australia, 100%. 0.98

00:21:53.000 Or New Zealand.

00:21:55.000 New Zealand's beautiful.

00:21:55.000 I've never even been to New Zealand, but I love New Zealanders.

00:21:58.000 I'm surprised at that.

00:21:59.000 I mean, that's a beautiful place.

00:22:01.000 I'm afraid I'll stay.

00:22:02.000 Well, it's a long ways away.

00:22:05.000 People say it's a great place to ride out the pandemic.

00:22:09.000 It's no better than Idaho.

00:22:10.000 Idaho's a great place to ride. 1.00

00:22:11.000 That's a good place, but it's a lot colder than New Zealand, motherfucker. 0.99

00:22:14.000 Yeah, no, that's not incorrect. 0.99

00:22:16.000 New Zealand looks like Hobbitland.

00:22:17.000 But the Russians, let me tell you about what the Russians are up to now, having just on the heels of the SolarWinds hack, which was very successful for them. 0.90

00:22:27.000 We still don't know how much intel they've pulled, and it's probably a great deal.

00:22:31.000 But now what they're doing is they are engaged in a covert action campaign, basically a propaganda campaign, against U.S. vaccines, Pfizer in particular.

00:22:41.000 Against them?

00:22:42.000 Yes.

00:22:43.000 Basically, what they're doing is they're using social media, and they're seeding...

00:22:50.000 We're good to go.

00:22:51.000 We're good to go.

00:23:10.000 And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to push down or they're trying to create a lack of credibility in the Pfizer vaccine in particular, US-made vaccines in general.

00:23:21.000 And so they're seeding stories out there.

00:23:24.000 In the old days, before the internet, What you would do is you would pay off journalists, and you would get stories planted in the newspapers, when people read newspapers.

00:23:36.000 And that's how you would influence, to some degree, public opinion.

00:23:40.000 You do other things.

00:23:41.000 The Russians, you know, they're very good at this.

00:23:42.000 But that was one of the old days, the ways that you would do it.

00:23:45.000 Now, as we know from the elections in the past, We're good to go.

00:24:07.000 It really is called Sputnik.

00:24:09.000 It's really called Sputnik.

00:24:10.000 It's the Sputnik.

00:24:12.000 By the way, my friend who's a doctor took the Russian vaccine.

00:24:16.000 He got a hold of the Russian vaccine a few months ago.

00:24:19.000 He said zero side effects.

00:24:21.000 Did he do it as an experiment or did he do it because it was the only vaccine he could get?

00:24:24.000 He can get whatever he wants. 0.99

00:24:25.000 I think, well, he's a really fucking smart guy. 0.97

00:24:29.000 He's one of the smartest people I know. 0.98

00:24:30.000 And he just...

00:24:31.000 You know a lot of smart people, so that's pretty impressive.

00:24:33.000 He's a genius, like a legitimate genius.

00:24:36.000 And he decided that he wanted to take the Russian vaccine.

00:24:39.000 I haven't talked to him about it in depth, but he said based on the research that he did on the vaccine, he said it's as legit as any of them.

00:24:46.000 He had access to it.

00:24:47.000 Is it an mRNA virus the same, or vaccine rather, is the same as Pfizer and Moderna?

00:24:52.000 Yeah, I think it's using the same technology and the development of it was kind of the same, I think.

00:24:58.000 But they raced it out there, right?

00:25:01.000 And what they don't have to do is, it's like a lot of other things overseas, they don't necessarily have the FDA, you know, breathing down the neck saying, these are the sort of clinical trials you've got to go through, these are the sort of approvals you need.

00:25:13.000 So part of the problem that they've been facing with Sputnik is like, you got this out here pretty quick, right?

00:25:20.000 They probably tested it on Pussy Riot and political dissonance. 0.82

00:25:24.000 You know Pussy Riot, the band? 0.98

00:25:26.000 Yeah, sure.

00:25:27.000 I got all their albums.

00:25:29.000 I have a t-shirt back in my LA house.

00:25:32.000 I need to bring it over here. 0.79

00:25:33.000 It's free Pussy Riot. 1.00

00:25:34.000 I was wearing it on podcast. 0.98

00:25:35.000 Haven't you sold the LA house?

00:25:37.000 I have two L.A. houses.

00:25:39.000 I sold one of them.

00:25:40.000 Listen to you.

00:25:41.000 Man, look at me.

00:25:42.000 I'm big in the real estate market.

00:25:44.000 He knows things.

00:25:45.000 He slipped up there, didn't he, Jamie?

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:48.000 He slipped up a little bit.

00:25:49.000 I didn't slip up, no.

00:25:50.000 Sometimes you want to see the fact that there's a piece of information floating out there.

00:25:53.000 You put it in the sidebar conversation.

00:25:56.000 So anyway, the bottom line is, I don't want to sound like one of those people, but we just have to be pragmatic.

00:26:02.000 And so, to go back to that question you had, which I think is very interesting, is do I get frustrated by people saying, well, the US, you know, does it too?

00:26:02.000 Yes.

00:26:09.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:26:10.000 It's a hostile world out there, whether you want to believe it or not. 1.00

00:26:14.000 It's not a happy place out there, and there's a lot of people that would like to see us at the bottom of the food chain.

00:26:21.000 And so all those people that say, well, the U.S. does it too.

00:26:24.000 Yes, we do.

00:26:25.000 And you know what?

00:26:25.000 You're sitting here in the U.S., and you're using the benefits of being here in the U.S., so you probably want to, on occasion, just on occasion, maybe root for the home team.

00:26:35.000 I think it's a natural thing that people do when one country is the most innovative, the most militarily successful. 0.94

00:26:45.000 There's a lot of shit about the United States that angers people that even are a part of the United States in terms of our... 0.96

00:26:54.000 I mean, you've got guys like Ron Paul who don't think we should be anywhere. 0.99

00:26:57.000 We should be controlling the United States. 0.97

00:26:59.000 And you've got other people that think that we should go over there and fucking kick ass and conquer the whole globe and keep them on the straight and narrow the way allegedly we are. 0.97

00:27:09.000 But the thing that bothers me more than anything about the United States currently is like... 0.97

00:27:14.000 There's an unnecessary divide that I see amongst us.

00:27:20.000 There's a racial divide.

00:27:22.000 There's a sexual orientation divide.

00:27:25.000 I wonder how much of this is cultivated and how much of this is curated.

00:27:31.000 When I see even weird things that don't make sense, like in Connecticut, 15 of their state titles, state records for women's athletics are held by two biological males who identify as females.

00:27:52.000 There's one thing to be tolerant and to be open-minded, but there's one thing to look at the whole picture and go, what better way Across the board, with everything, to get people upset and frustrated and distracted and constantly engaged in arguments and battle than to seed social media with nonsense and constant propaganda.

00:28:20.000 We know from the Internet Research Agency and Rene DiResta's work and all this that Russia in particular and probably China and Iran Are constantly flooding social media with arguments against all sorts of policies and pro all sorts of other policies simultaneously just to encourage argument.

00:28:41.000 And you wonder, like, how much of the racial divide in America is real?

00:28:44.000 For sure there's real racists in America.

00:28:46.000 Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:47.000 But also, for sure, there's a lot of, like, malarkey. 0.99

00:28:50.000 There's a lot of shit that's, like, most of us... 0.99

00:28:53.000 Get along. 1.00

00:28:54.000 Most of us get along.

00:28:56.000 I agree with you.

00:28:57.000 Republicans are Democrats. 1.00

00:28:58.000 Most don't give a shit because they're worried about their daily fucking life. 1.00

00:29:02.000 They're worried about their children. 1.00

00:29:02.000 They're worried about the same thing. 1.00

00:29:04.000 It's like that old Sting song, the Russians love their children too.

00:29:07.000 Yeah, it's the...

00:29:09.000 Well done.

00:29:10.000 You just quoted Sting.

00:29:11.000 I love Sting. 0.65

00:29:12.000 I think what's happening is the world is so filled with information and there's some players that are manipulating that information to keep people being antagonistic against each other. 0.98

00:29:26.000 And the thing is, they're over there and we think, oh, these motherfuckers are coming after us. 0.98

00:29:31.000 They're doing this. 0.99

00:29:31.000 They're hacking this. 0.99

00:29:32.000 No one is together, right?

00:29:34.000 Human beings are supposed to be like you and I are right now.

00:29:37.000 Having a cocktail, smoking a cigar, sitting across from each other.

00:29:40.000 And we all basically want the same things.

00:29:44.000 We want to be healthy and successful.

00:29:46.000 We want the best for our kids.

00:29:48.000 We want the best for our community.

00:29:48.000 Yes, yes.

00:29:50.000 We want to be happy.

00:29:51.000 We want to be happy.

00:29:52.000 And there's too many filters in this life between human beings sitting down and communicating with each other and breaking bread with each other and talking with each other.

00:30:01.000 There's too many filters.

00:30:03.000 Well, I will say, nobody should underestimate that point that you just made earlier, which is that There's a very active covert action wing within the Russian government, within Chinese intel,

00:30:19.000 and their whole point sometimes is not to do anything other than just to sow distrust and instability and chaos.

00:30:27.000 People say, well, why would they do that?

00:30:28.000 Well, they do it because it's in their best interest.

00:30:30.000 Again, going back to that same thought.

00:30:32.000 So is it in the Russian...

00:30:37.000 Best interest to kind of see the idea of, man, you know what?

00:30:42.000 Domestic terrorism and racism, that's your top priority in the states.

00:30:46.000 Of course it is.

00:30:47.000 And so we feed into that, right?

00:30:48.000 And we do our own part too, right?

00:30:51.000 There's this desire to slice and dice the demographic, right, for political purposes, right?

00:30:56.000 If I can control this block, or if I can control that block, then I can win the election, right? 0.99

00:31:00.000 Well, that's fucked up. 1.00

00:31:02.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

00:31:03.000 And I'm old enough to remember the riots. 0.99

00:31:08.000 Okay, I was watching TV as a kid, but the riots of the 60s and that whole civil rights process.

00:31:13.000 And I'll be honest with you.

00:31:15.000 Up until a handful of years ago, I really thought we'd moved on.

00:31:19.000 I thought it was all about...

00:31:22.000 Who you are as a person, right?

00:31:23.000 Your character, as Martin Luther King used to talk about.

00:31:25.000 I think you'd be disgusted by this idea that it's all about the color of your skin. 1.00

00:31:31.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

00:31:32.000 It is bullshit. 1.00

00:31:33.000 And it's also the sexual orientation. 1.00

00:31:34.000 I don't give a fuck what your sexual orientation is. 0.99

00:31:36.000 I don't need to celebrate it, but I don't care. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Yeah, I don't care.

00:31:39.000 I think these are attack vectors.

00:31:43.000 Yes, that's a good way to put it.

00:31:44.000 They're ways that people can figure out a way to sow the seeds of dissent and discontent.

00:31:50.000 And I think that...

00:31:52.000 One of the things that happened, we talked about the whole situation with the power grid here.

00:31:59.000 It was really sad to me to watch people on the left saying, hey, Texas, you still want your independence now?

00:32:07.000 Look what happened.

00:32:09.000 Man, you got babies freezing to death.

00:32:11.000 You got people without clean water.

00:32:13.000 Is that who you are? 0.99

00:32:16.000 Because as an American, I don't give a fuck if you're a Republican or a Democrat. 0.98

00:32:20.000 I share ideas from both sides. 0.99

00:32:23.000 I'm kind of a hybrid in a lot of ways.

00:32:25.000 I mean, I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment.

00:32:28.000 I'm a big supporter of the military.

00:32:30.000 But I'm very liberal.

00:32:31.000 I'm socially very liberal.

00:32:33.000 Like, I don't buy this idea that I have to be a part of one party or another party.

00:32:37.000 I 100% support gay rights.

00:32:39.000 I 100% support women's rights, civil rights, trans rights, across the board, but not at the expense of other people.

00:32:47.000 Which is why I'm against this whole idea of trans athletes competing against biological females. 0.98

00:32:53.000 But it's also why I'm also in support of the Second Amendment.

00:32:59.000 Some people, they're raised poorly, they're abused, they're tortured, they're fucking put in foster care, they find their way into juvenile detention, they go to prison, and then they're out, and they have no money, and then the pandemic hits, and they want to rob your house. 0.91

00:33:13.000 If you don't think you should have a gun, To protect yourself from bad people who just, by circumstance or by bad fucking luck, find themselves at your doorstep. 1.00

00:33:24.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:33:26.000 You're crazy. 1.00

00:33:26.000 You don't love your family. 1.00

00:33:28.000 If you don't think you should be able to protect...

00:33:30.000 If you're in a bad situation and it's you protecting people against an attack from bad people...

00:33:38.000 You're out of your mind.

00:33:39.000 You've never experienced bad people then.

00:33:42.000 You've never experienced dangerous people.

00:33:43.000 That's a good point.

00:33:45.000 I mean, a lot of people like to imagine that there's this community of goodwill out there and that if just given the opportunity, all people would be inclined to go along with what's in your best interest.

00:33:57.000 Look, I... Yeah, if you could find them as babies and raise them, right?

00:34:02.000 When you have children, and I have children too, and there's a thing you find out when you have children.

00:34:07.000 When I had children, it changed me as a man.

00:34:10.000 It changed me as a human being.

00:34:12.000 And one of the most profound ways it changed me is I stopped thinking about people as static things.

00:34:17.000 I stopped thinking about a man as like, this is a 54-year-old man, and here he is.

00:34:22.000 I go, oh, this is a grown-up baby.

00:34:24.000 And I really started thinking about people like that.

00:34:26.000 I started thinking about people as children that grew up, and by bad circumstance, by abuse, by horrible environments, they became this bad person.

00:34:39.000 But I don't think people are born bad.

00:34:43.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:34:45.000 I don't think they are.

00:34:46.000 I think the environment creates, you know, I mean, and yeah, I mean, look, there's so many sides to this, right?

00:34:53.000 I mean, like, criminal justice reform.

00:34:55.000 Of course!

00:34:56.000 Of course!

00:34:58.000 We need to focus on criminal justice reform.

00:35:01.000 But at the same time, as somebody who owns a walk-in safe, yeah, you're never going to convince me that it's not my right to protect my family.

00:35:11.000 When you say walk-in safe, you mean a gun safe.

00:35:13.000 Yes.

00:35:13.000 Let's be honest.

00:35:14.000 You know, I have fucking gold bars in there, bro. 0.99

00:35:16.000 I got catheters and gold bars, yeah. 0.99

00:35:18.000 Catheters?

00:35:18.000 That's what I got.

00:35:19.000 No, no, I'm kidding.

00:35:21.000 I just had a collection of dildos from the 16th century.

00:35:24.000 That's right.

00:35:25.000 Well, you know, those things are...

00:35:28.000 Roman clay dildos.

00:35:31.000 Where did that come from?

00:35:34.000 As a walk-in gun safe.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, look, you have the right.

00:35:38.000 I mean, think about a family.

00:35:40.000 You're raising your kids, and the legitimate police response time is 20, 30 minutes, right?

00:35:45.000 Not because the police are overstretched, but even just because you're living in some place where that's how long it's going to take.

00:35:50.000 And it's like this idea of, what's a good example?

00:35:53.000 It's like when you're You talk about, well, should some of the teachers in a school be armed? 0.95

00:35:57.000 Well, we have in Idaho, we have schools where legitimately the sheriff getting to that school is going to take him 25 minutes because of the fucking distance, right?

00:36:06.000 So yes, do I want a couple of well-trained, vetted, responsible teachers in that public school to be armed in case there is, God forbid, some incident? 0.99

00:36:17.000 Yeah, fuck yeah, I do. 0.97

00:36:18.000 So that to me is common sense. 1.00

00:36:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:21.000 And then you'll get people going, well, that's just wrong.

00:36:23.000 How is it wrong?

00:36:25.000 You're protecting children.

00:36:26.000 Well, it's also the idea that people are mutually exclusive.

00:36:28.000 These are two mutually exclusive ideas.

00:36:31.000 Like someone can't be a math teacher but also be trained in firearm use.

00:36:35.000 Yes.

00:36:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:35.000 That's crazy.

00:36:36.000 It's a human being.

00:36:37.000 If it's a human being that understands math, that guy could be good at anything else.

00:36:42.000 And you insist that they do.

00:36:42.000 Right.

00:36:44.000 And there's ways to do it.

00:36:45.000 This is not a heavy lift to have someone trained up and then go through continuous training because they have to do that.

00:36:50.000 I mean the problem with a lot of people is they'll get scared or for whatever reason they'll think, oh, they're going to take away our guns so I better go out and buy one.

00:36:57.000 There's a huge surge in gun sales.

00:37:00.000 Oh my god, the pandemic was the best thing that ever happened in the gun industry.

00:37:03.000 Oh, for the manufacturers?

00:37:04.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:37:05.000 And I'm sure the NRA, too.

00:37:06.000 I'm sure the NRA's membership went up, too.

00:37:08.000 The NRA's had some serious problems.

00:37:10.000 Well, they have had a lot of problems, but there's not a lot of organizations that are fighting for gun rights.

00:37:17.000 Yeah, there's very few.

00:37:19.000 So they're important in that sense, but I think that it's important to insist that But again, that's common sense, right?

00:37:28.000 I don't want the federal government to say, you know, what you have to do, but it's like the masks.

00:37:33.000 I'll tell you this.

00:37:34.000 Flying into Texas on an aircraft I was on, one of the flight attendants came up and kind of tapped me on the shoulder as we were getting ready to land and said, well, be careful because, you know, Texas has gotten rid of the mask mandate.

00:37:50.000 And the point was, from the flight attendant, was...

00:37:54.000 Did she just say it to you?

00:37:55.000 Yeah, it's going to be like...

00:37:56.000 She likes you.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, it's a wild west.

00:37:58.000 She's trying to let you know.

00:37:59.000 She's like Mr. Pinker.

00:38:01.000 You be careful out there because, you know...

00:38:02.000 Because I like you.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, and so...

00:38:05.000 But the point...

00:38:06.000 My wife was sitting right next to me. 0.97

00:38:07.000 There was nothing untoward.

00:38:08.000 It wasn't like...

00:38:09.000 No, we were not engaged in any shenanigans.

00:38:11.000 But the point was...

00:38:13.000 Was that they looked at it and they go, oh, you know, Governor Abbott said this, and it's political, right?

00:38:17.000 But the point of my story is, I walked off the plane, everybody was wearing a mask.

00:38:22.000 Yeah, this is the thing that Governor Abbott said.

00:38:26.000 He said, I encourage you to wear a mask, you should still wear a mask, but I don't want the state to tell you what to do.

00:38:33.000 Right.

00:38:34.000 That's what I support.

00:38:35.000 And if you don't want the state to tell you what to do, you shouldn't want the federal government telling you what to do.

00:38:39.000 Exactly.

00:38:40.000 Exactly.

00:38:41.000 But everybody I've seen in Austin wear a mask.

00:38:43.000 Wear a mask.

00:38:43.000 Yeah.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:44.000 Well, until you go to a restaurant and then you sit down, then there's no mask.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:47.000 And I don't understand that.

00:38:48.000 The whole thing is nonsense.

00:38:50.000 You have to wear a mask when you go to pee, and then you don't wear a mask when you come back and sit down at your table like, okay.

00:38:55.000 I mean, because to be fair, they've got mostly six-foot distance.

00:38:59.000 The places that I've been here in Texas, they keep the social distance.

00:39:03.000 But I guess my point was like, you get this, and we talked about this earlier before the show, but was the idea that some people just like to suffer, and they suffer well, right?

00:39:16.000 They enjoy the fact that this is hard and bad.

00:39:20.000 And that's really sad, but it's true.

00:39:22.000 There's people that they enjoy being depressed.

00:39:24.000 It's a hard thing to even say because you don't want it to be real.

00:39:30.000 You don't want there to really be people out there that like...

00:39:34.000 There's some people that when we got shut into our homes and everyone was sad and everyone was scared, they enjoyed it because that's how they live all the time.

00:39:44.000 Or it's their time to shine.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 Some people have really shown during the pandemic.

00:39:51.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 And I saw this post from this individual who is a professional, clearly from their job, and they posted, oh...

00:40:01.000 I'm dealing with such anxiety now because of the possible return to normal and the idea that I'm going to have to travel and I won't be able to have dinner with my kids and I'm just like... 1.00

00:40:10.000 And I'm thinking, fuck you. 0.96

00:40:11.000 It was clear from the Post that they've had the luxury of working from home and not losing their job and they could teach their kids And it's this idea of not opening the public schools. 1.00

00:40:23.000 These kids out here who don't have Wi-Fi, who don't have laptops, who have a one-parent home, who has to work, all those who can't afford a tutor, can't make a little pod to teach their kids...

00:40:35.000 You know, those people aren't doing well, right?

00:40:38.000 And those kids are suffering.

00:40:40.000 And then you get, like, the people who can afford to set up a private pod for their kids and bring a tutor in and have strong Wi-Fi and can do all those things, have English as a first language.

00:40:51.000 And they're doing just fine.

00:40:52.000 And they're like, well, we should not go back to school.

00:40:55.000 Kids have disappeared off the radar during this past year. 1.00

00:40:55.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:40:59.000 And the schools don't even know where they are in places like New York and Chicago and other places. 1.00

00:41:03.000 So it's fucked up. 0.96

00:41:05.000 Yeah, you know, there's narratives out there. 0.99

00:41:08.000 And the problem with these narratives are, it's not that they're all completely inaccurate.

00:41:12.000 The problem is when you espouse these narratives in a very condensed, processed way like social media, you get a bunch of people that support it and a bunch of people that argue against it.

00:41:23.000 But if it's a narrative like, we should stay home, we should all wear masks, pretty hard for people to fight against that, right?

00:41:30.000 So people...

00:41:31.000 They pile on, and then people get addicted to the reactions and the interactions on Twitter. 0.99

00:41:37.000 It becomes this weird fucking method of communication, the method of discussing ideas. 0.98

00:41:44.000 And people get really attached to whatever they believe in. 0.99

00:41:49.000 Whether they believe the kids should be in school to the end of time, and all fucking interactions should be done through Zoom. 0.95

00:41:55.000 Or that we should all throw away our masks and achieve herd immunity and we should take vitamin D and go out in the sun and fucking exercise and be healthier and... 0.95

00:42:03.000 You can do all of it, right? 0.94

00:42:05.000 You can wear a mask because, you know, okay, fine.

00:42:07.000 My freedoms aren't infringed by wearing a mask. 0.99

00:42:10.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:11.000 It's not that big a deal. 0.99

00:42:12.000 But at the same time, do I want my kids back in school?

00:42:14.000 Do I think it's healthy for my oldest boy Sluggo to, you know, be wearing his, you know, pajamas or his sweatpants all day long and learning from distance?

00:42:22.000 No.

00:42:23.000 And I think that it's just...

00:42:27.000 I do agree with the idea that there are people that suffer well.

00:42:30.000 They're wielding this whole thing as a sword of justice.

00:42:35.000 The comedy community is an interesting example.

00:42:39.000 One of the things that a lot of my professional comedian friends have found is that there's a lot of people that never worked And when I say never, I'm exaggerating, but they weren't successful.

00:42:52.000 They weren't selling out clubs and theaters.

00:42:56.000 They weren't doing well.

00:42:57.000 And they're so angry that some comics have decided to go on the road again.

00:43:02.000 Because a lot of places have opened up.

00:43:03.000 Texas has opened up.

00:43:05.000 Florida has opened up.

00:43:05.000 You can go and do shows.

00:43:06.000 But that's a chance to do work, right?

00:43:08.000 It is, but they're angry.

00:43:10.000 The narrative is that you're doing these super spreader events.

00:43:14.000 People even got mad at me and Dave Chappelle because Dave and I were doing these shows at Stubbs Amphitheater in Austin outside.

00:43:21.000 There's no evidence whatsoever that the virus spreads outside.

00:43:26.000 And I mean literally none.

00:43:27.000 There's no evidence.

00:43:28.000 And then on top of that, we test everyone in the crowd.

00:43:31.000 It's expensive.

00:43:32.000 It takes a long time.

00:43:34.000 The people get there early.

00:43:35.000 We test the entire crowd.

00:43:36.000 Are you doing temperature checks?

00:43:37.000 No.

00:43:37.000 No, we're doing antigen tests for the entire crowd.

00:43:41.000 That's crazy.

00:43:42.000 I mean, that's great, but it's crazy. 0.98

00:43:44.000 It's expensive, but it's the way to do it, and we had a great fucking time, and we're doing it again. 0.93

00:43:48.000 But some comics have been mad at that. 0.89

00:43:51.000 But if you go and look at the comics that are mad, they're all unsuccessful.

00:43:56.000 Or super liberal, and they're virtue signaling.

00:43:59.000 They're looking to tag on to this idea that...

00:44:03.000 That what you're doing is bad and then what we should do is all stay home and lock down.

00:44:08.000 You can go outside.

00:44:09.000 And by the way, most people, like 99.9 whatever percent survive.

00:44:16.000 There was a recent study that showed that 78% of all the people that are hospitalized from COVID are overweight.

00:44:23.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:44:23.000 Have you seen that?

00:44:24.000 Where is the shame in that?

00:44:27.000 All these people are talking about fat shaming.

00:44:29.000 You want to talk about the super spreaders?

00:44:31.000 It's people that have ignored their health.

00:44:33.000 And those people need help, and they need support, and they need love.

00:44:36.000 But there's a reality to the people that are getting sick from this.

00:44:40.000 If everyone was healthy, this would almost be a non-issue.

00:44:43.000 Now, that's not a health-shaming thing, like we should be shaming people that are in poor health or people that are born with, you know, comorbidity factors like diabetes and whatever.

00:44:53.000 Right, of course, of course, yeah, yeah.

00:44:54.000 But we're not looking at this thing 100% objective.

00:44:58.000 If we were, we would have a completely different take on it.

00:45:02.000 Well, look, there's no science.

00:45:03.000 That's an example. 0.67

00:45:04.000 I'm focused because I got these three knuckleheads at home, right? 0.97

00:45:07.000 So I'm focused on the education side of things as well, as are you, but there's no science.

00:45:15.000 People believe science.

00:45:16.000 Well, of course, believe science.

00:45:17.000 That's one of the funniest narratives.

00:45:18.000 Believe science. 0.99

00:45:19.000 Well, who the fuck doesn't believe? 0.99

00:45:21.000 I mean, that's fine, but it's a political issue, right? 0.99

00:45:23.000 But I think that...

00:45:25.000 There's no science that shows that a six-foot distance in public schools for kids is essential to their health.

00:45:36.000 So, in fact, the science shows three-foot.

00:45:38.000 That's fine.

00:45:39.000 And what that does, though, the importance of that is logistics, right?

00:45:42.000 Because it allows for you to get the schools open again.

00:45:44.000 People will talk about the six-foot distance.

00:45:46.000 We can't get the kids back into their classrooms with six-foot distances.

00:45:49.000 We can't get enough of them in there.

00:45:50.000 It's the little things.

00:45:52.000 It's the logistics of it saying, well, get it down to three foot, which is what the science supports, and then you can get these schools, you can start opening these places back up in a responsible manner.

00:46:01.000 Honest to God, we're going to look at this thing in a year or two.

00:46:04.000 Maybe we won't because we're not going to be honest with ourselves. 0.84

00:46:07.000 But if we actually did an honest hot wash of this reaction to the pandemic, Our reaction has been pathetic over this past year.

00:46:15.000 This has not been a shining moment for us.

00:46:17.000 Don't you think part of the problem is we started out with a different idea of what the virus is?

00:46:22.000 We started out thinking that it was going to be like the next Spanish flu, that it was going to kill.

00:46:26.000 I mean, everyone was terrified, me included.

00:46:28.000 I was scared of it.

00:46:29.000 In the beginning, I thought that it was going to be something that kills 10% of the population.

00:46:34.000 And it didn't turn out to be that way, but we never made an adjustment.

00:46:38.000 Yes, I think that's true, and I think also part of it is you can't negate or minimize the political reaction.

00:46:47.000 If Joe Biden had been president when this thing broke, I guarantee you the reaction would have been somewhat different.

00:46:53.000 The fact that Trump was in there and created so much emotion, and there was such animosity.

00:47:00.000 Thank God Trump wasn't pro-vaccine. 0.99

00:47:02.000 We would be fucked. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Because he was pro so many other therapeutics, and they're like, hydroxychloroquine is racist! 0.99

00:47:12.000 Thank God he didn't say anything about ivermectin or vitamin D or quercetin or any of the other things, or zinc.

00:47:18.000 Yeah, but I do think that was a big issue.

00:47:21.000 It was like, ah, see?

00:47:23.000 He was so polarizing.

00:47:24.000 And we can't trust the vaccines because they were developed under Trump. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Fuck it, believe the science. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Right. 1.00

00:47:30.000 It was developed by companies that have nothing but scientists and doctors and engineers working inside them.

00:47:35.000 And so, if you believe the science, then you better believe that they were developing vaccines that you should have been happy about.

00:47:41.000 So, you know...

00:47:44.000 I don't know.

00:47:45.000 It's the political nature of this country.

00:47:47.000 And again, going back to what we were talking about earlier with the Russians and the Chinese, they see that and they just keep sticking the knife in it. 0.99

00:47:54.000 And the more they do, the more they tear the threads of our belief in the system.

00:47:59.000 And the more polarized we get and the more yelling that goes on. 0.98

00:48:03.000 The more bullshit people believe when they read social media and they don't bother to say, well, who wrote this? 0.98

00:48:08.000 Is this actually a scientific piece of work or is this just – and what's the origin of it? 0.99

00:48:14.000 What's the outlet?

00:48:15.000 And half the time the outlet is overseas someplace and then you've got to dig into it.

00:48:18.000 It's like an asset tracing exercise.

00:48:20.000 Who owns that company?

00:48:21.000 Then you find out it's owned by some Russian entity that's got an operation out of Cyprus or whatever.

00:48:26.000 Well, there's a weird thing when you find something, like you find a meme, like a political meme or a meme that has something to do with anything that's going on in the popular culture, and then you go to the page that runs the meme, and you find that this page has this weird address.

00:48:44.000 And they're all memes and there's no quotes to the memes.

00:48:48.000 There's no English.

00:48:49.000 And you're like, what is going on here?

00:48:50.000 And you realize, oh my god, this is a propaganda page.

00:48:54.000 This is a page that someone or some entity has set up to try to make fun of things, to try to turn things viral.

00:49:03.000 And they churn them out six, seven, ten a day.

00:49:06.000 And they're just trying to make viral memes that influence the way people look at them.

00:49:11.000 And the ease of doing that.

00:49:13.000 Look, you go back to the sort of earlier days of the CIA and you think about trying to influence opinion or actions in a particular foreign government, right?

00:49:25.000 And again, going back to that idea that, well, you didn't have that many opportunities, so what did you do?

00:49:30.000 You tried to influence the local media.

00:49:32.000 Well, that was newspapers or radio or whatever, so you'd target that, you know.

00:49:35.000 How do I place these articles, right?

00:49:37.000 And the ability to do that now is – I mean, God, I wish I was still in the business now, right?

00:49:42.000 Because you could change public opinion in a heartbeat compared to what it used to be like.

00:49:48.000 But the Russians in particular are very, very good at this.

00:49:52.000 And people would criticize – As an example, Voice of America.

00:49:57.000 Remember the old Voice of America?

00:49:58.000 It still exists.

00:49:59.000 What is it?

00:50:00.000 But Voice of America, VOA, it's out there.

00:50:03.000 In the early days, the idea was to get news into the Soviet Union at the time.

00:50:09.000 So it was this broadcasting outlet that would provide news to parts of the world that were under communist influence.

00:50:20.000 And Was it designed to criticize the regimes that were – the Soviets or whomever was running that?

00:50:31.000 Yes, of course it was.

00:50:32.000 Was it designed to promote democracy and the idea of free thinking?

00:50:35.000 Of course it was, right?

00:50:36.000 So is that – Propaganda, is that covert action?

00:50:38.000 Well, yes, it is.

00:50:39.000 You know, is it designed to promote, you know, the idea of democracy and freedom?

00:50:45.000 So can we, you know, is that better than the Russians trying with their covert action to criticize and sow disbelief in the US manufactured vaccines?

00:50:45.000 Yes.

00:50:56.000 Yeah, I think I can make a relative judgment and say one is better than the other.

00:51:00.000 But again, going back to your thing about people saying, well, the US does it too.

00:51:05.000 There's degrees of what is You know, what is acceptable and what isn't?

00:51:12.000 What is right and what is wrong?

00:51:13.000 And, you know, it's a gray world out there.

00:51:16.000 There's no black and white.

00:51:18.000 But I guess what I'm, you know, so, yeah, I am fascinated by that question about, you know, does it frustrate you that people say America does it too? 0.72

00:51:26.000 And I keep going back and people say, oh, you know, rose-colored glasses and all that bullshit about, you know.

00:51:26.000 Yeah.

00:51:31.000 But I've seen enough shit over there to think that, yes, we do try, we try to To do the right thing. 0.99

00:51:38.000 Or we try to mirror our values, right? 0.98

00:51:40.000 And what are our values?

00:51:41.000 Well, if you think about it and we say, that's fine.

00:51:45.000 I would rather have our values existing in a place like Iran, and the population would too, frankly, than the theocratic regime that exists there.

00:51:53.000 So, I was disappearing down a rabbit hole.

00:51:55.000 No, listen, it's a...

00:51:58.000 There's a weird narrative, a weird anti-American narrative that exists even inside of America, and that's oftentimes when you have children, they rebel against their parents.

00:52:10.000 I think there's a similar thing.

00:52:15.000 America's not perfect, but Iran executed an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling because he protested against the government, and that's a fact. 0.67

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 We were talking about China yesterday, what China's done in terms of there was that Jack Ma guy who disappeared for three months and came back and he's been, you know, whatever.

00:52:39.000 He's towing the line.

00:52:41.000 He's a little more compliant now, let's put it that way.

00:52:43.000 I realize that he doesn't like prison.

00:52:45.000 I realize they can disappear him for a few months.

00:52:45.000 Yeah.

00:52:48.000 When was the last time anybody talked about the Uyghurs? 1.00

00:52:51.000 That's a fucking genocide. 1.00

00:52:53.000 We don't know what they're doing, right? 1.00

00:52:55.000 We don't know.

00:52:56.000 We know it's bad, right?

00:52:58.000 But it's Xi's regime, right?

00:53:01.000 Look, that guy has spent years now cementing his place, much like Putin did, but with more He's a very smart politician, right?

00:53:25.000 Has cemented his place in there.

00:53:27.000 He is the most important leader of China going generations back, right?

00:53:32.000 And he has done it through suppression.

00:53:35.000 He's done it through, you know, the buildup of the security surface, the internal security services, the suppression of information, oppression of journalists.

00:53:46.000 And so, yeah, do I think that Again, every time I start off on this path, I get these responses.

00:53:58.000 Do you read the responses? 1.00

00:53:59.000 Do you read that shit? 1.00

00:54:01.000 That's part of the problem, is reading that shit. 1.00

00:54:01.000 Not really. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Yeah, I know.

00:54:04.000 It's probably the Russians texting you. 0.88

00:54:06.000 Yeah.

00:54:07.000 Send your messages.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, let's face it.

00:54:09.000 Russians and Chinese are attacking you. 1.00

00:54:10.000 My daughter worked and lived in China for a while.

00:54:14.000 She speaks Chinese, and she's a great kid.

00:54:17.000 But she would always be like, Dad, come on.

00:54:19.000 I've got to work and live over here.

00:54:20.000 And I said, well, look.

00:54:24.000 She gets it.

00:54:25.000 She got the joke.

00:54:26.000 She understood how oppressive that place could be because she had spent time over there.

00:54:31.000 I get questions from companies that are doing business over there or are about to start doing business over there.

00:54:39.000 And their questions are always typically in the same bucket, which is, how do we protect our information?

00:54:45.000 We're going to build a manufacturing facility over there.

00:54:48.000 Or we're going to build a lab over there to whatever it might be, pharmaceuticals or technology.

00:54:54.000 And the question is always, how do we go about securing our information?

00:54:58.000 And you don't, is the answer.

00:55:00.000 You build a facility over there, they're going to get it.

00:55:03.000 They're going to either get it through coercive means of saying, well, if you want business over here, this is what you have to sign up to.

00:55:08.000 We're going to have access to your code, or whatever it may be.

00:55:12.000 Or they're just going to steal it.

00:55:14.000 So again, going back to the same thing as we were.

00:55:17.000 We just have to be pragmatic, right?

00:55:19.000 I mean, stop acting as if, you know, the rest of the world is trying to come together in some community of nations, right?

00:55:25.000 And I think, actually, I think Biden gets it, right?

00:55:29.000 I mean, I don't know how long he's going to be in charge of the administration, but, you know...

00:55:35.000 I'm worried about him.

00:55:36.000 I mean, of course.

00:55:37.000 I think he understands that he's a pragmatic guy.

00:55:41.000 He's a smart character, but he's got a lot of pressure on him politically from a variety of different angles.

00:55:48.000 Do you think he's lucid though?

00:55:51.000 Do I think he's lucid?

00:55:55.000 Yes, right now.

00:55:56.000 That's a long pause.

00:55:57.000 Yeah, that's a long pause. 0.99

00:56:00.000 Every fucking couple of days, he gives a speech and it goes viral. 0.99

00:56:05.000 And the quote under the viral video is like, WTF? What is he saying? 0.99

00:56:12.000 Poor guy.

00:56:14.000 I think he is.

00:56:15.000 He should be fishing.

00:56:16.000 I shouldn't have paused that long.

00:56:17.000 I think he is.

00:56:18.000 I just think that his instincts are overridden.

00:56:23.000 By the priorities of the further left portion of the party.

00:56:30.000 And so, you know, for me...

00:56:32.000 Why do you think that is?

00:56:34.000 Do they think that that is more effective?

00:56:36.000 Do they think the further left, like, that the people in the moderate left will go along with the further left because at least it's far away from the far right?

00:56:44.000 Yeah, I just think that, you know, the extremes always make the most noise, right?

00:56:49.000 They always make, whether it's the far right or the far left, right?

00:56:52.000 And so I think that they're the vocal, in a sense, minority, right? 1.00

00:56:56.000 They're the ones who are always going to be beating the drums and screaming about shit. 0.99

00:57:01.000 And it's like this thing, not to change subject entirely, but it's like if you look at the far right. 0.99

00:57:07.000 We had an incident in Idaho, in Boise, not that long ago, a few days ago, where some parents brought their kids to the statehouse, and they had a mask-burning ceremony.

00:57:20.000 I saw that.

00:57:21.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 You know who sent me that video?

00:57:24.000 Alex Jones.

00:57:25.000 Yeah.

00:57:28.000 Look, they're taking over.

00:57:29.000 Oh my God.

00:57:30.000 They're figuring it out.

00:57:33.000 America's coming back. 0.87

00:57:34.000 But you know what the secret to that is?

00:57:36.000 None of those people, and it was a small gathering, right?

00:57:37.000 It made news basically because they brought their kids, right?

00:57:40.000 And it's kind of wacky.

00:57:41.000 You know what didn't make news?

00:57:41.000 It made news.

00:57:42.000 Bombing Syria. 0.99

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:45.000 Yeah, that didn't make news.

00:57:46.000 No.

00:57:47.000 Both those things are happening at the same time.

00:57:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:49.000 And this fucking ridiculous exercise of burning these cotton masks became important. 0.99

00:57:54.000 But you know what? 0.99

00:57:55.000 In that crowd, in that small crowd, how many people were from Boise?

00:57:58.000 None.

00:57:59.000 So what you had was you had some people coming from out of town.

00:58:02.000 They're all Russians, that's right. 0.89

00:58:03.000 There are a lot of Chinese in there.

00:58:05.000 Where are they from?

00:58:06.000 They were all from out of town.

00:58:08.000 Mountain towns.

00:58:09.000 And none of them from a town where they had a mask mandate.

00:58:11.000 It wasn't like they were forced to wear masks.

00:58:12.000 They were just trying to make a point.

00:58:14.000 But because it was like one of those moments where you think, really, did you have to come?

00:58:17.000 This guy in the back has a whole bag of them.

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 Did you have to?

00:58:20.000 I mean, look at this.

00:58:21.000 I don't like how that one's hanging over the edge.

00:58:23.000 Throw it in there, girl. 1.00

00:58:24.000 Yeah, watch yourself.

00:58:24.000 Get that in there.

00:58:25.000 Don't set that fleece on fire.

00:58:27.000 That's a nice girl.

00:58:28.000 Be nice to her sister. 0.94

00:58:29.000 Oh, clap, clap, clap.

00:58:30.000 Come over here.

00:58:31.000 Get those in there.

00:58:32.000 Come on.

00:58:32.000 Oh, here you go.

00:58:33.000 Put that mask in.

00:58:34.000 That kid behind him wants to throw his in, but he's a little awkward.

00:58:37.000 Look at the guy there with the double flannel. 1.00

00:58:39.000 You fucking fashion victim. 1.00

00:58:41.000 That's one of those shirt jackets. 1.00

00:58:43.000 That guy's a fashion criminal with his double flannel.

00:58:45.000 He doesn't know who he is.

00:58:46.000 You know what?

00:58:47.000 Those shirt jackets that he's wearing, those were very popular in the 70s.

00:58:50.000 Look at the girl clapping.

00:58:51.000 Yeah, I know.

00:58:52.000 Look at this. 0.71

00:58:52.000 Yeah, burn that mask. 0.71

00:58:54.000 Now get away from the fire. 0.73

00:58:55.000 What does the thing say?

00:58:56.000 What does the sign say?

00:58:58.000 Not suffering?

00:58:59.000 What does that say?

00:58:59.000 Don't self-suffocate.

00:59:01.000 That lady is in the Westboro Baptist Church.

00:59:04.000 She's just there on vacation. 0.97

00:59:05.000 So it's not like, again, not a big crowd, but it made the news because, and to your point, because it feeds some narrative, right?

00:59:12.000 It feeds some narrative.

00:59:14.000 Look at the lady in the back with the red lumberjack. 1.00

00:59:17.000 She had a fucking old school camera she was videoing. 0.99

00:59:20.000 She doesn't even have a phone. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Oh wait, you're right. 1.00

00:59:23.000 She doesn't even have a fucking phone. 1.00

00:59:25.000 I'm surprised she didn't have one of those video cameras you'd have on your shoulder back in the old days. 0.99

00:59:28.000 She's got a Windows phone and it can't update.

00:59:31.000 Oh god.

00:59:33.000 But it's not like those people live in a city where there's a mask mandate, right?

00:59:37.000 So they come into town, they do this thing, and it got...

00:59:39.000 And to your point, it got...

00:59:41.000 How much coverage? 1.00

00:59:41.000 That son of a bitch guy... 1.00

00:59:43.000 I heard from all sorts of people saying, what the hell's happening in Idaho? 1.00

00:59:45.000 That's just Facebook.

00:59:47.000 Yeah.

00:59:47.000 People get excited.

00:59:48.000 They want to see...

00:59:49.000 Oh my God, it's going to go everywhere.

00:59:51.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 But it's...

00:59:52.000 It's going to be everywhere.

00:59:53.000 It's...

00:59:54.000 You go to Boise, you go to really most points of Idaho, everybody's wearing a mask.

00:59:54.000 You know what?

00:59:58.000 They're doing the right thing.

00:59:59.000 They don't have to be told by the federal government to do the right thing. 0.99

01:00:02.000 They're just doing it because what the fuck. 0.97

01:00:04.000 There's this thing going on where there's all these different arguments and there's all these different narratives and all these different people that are arguing their points and no one knows exactly what the motives are, exactly who's doing what or why. 0.99

01:00:18.000 You're worried about the far left if you're in the far right, and you're worried about the left.

01:00:24.000 Everybody in the right is worried about the left. 0.98

01:00:26.000 Everybody in the left is worried about the right, and everybody in the center is trying to figure out where the fuck the rational people are.

01:00:33.000 One of the things that I'm worried about, and this is going to sound really weird, but I'm worried that what all of this dissent and confusion is going to bring about is the rise of Of some sort of technological symbiosis where we can read each other's minds,

01:00:53.000 where we can understand each other better, and it's going to make us less human than we are currently.

01:00:58.000 I'm really worried about that.

01:01:00.000 I'm worried about these weird interfaces, like Elon Musk is trying to do this...

01:01:07.000 Neuralink thing.

01:01:08.000 And I think he's doing it because he wants to increase the bandwidth between human beings and information, which is a very noble concept.

01:01:16.000 You're going to make people smarter, more access to information.

01:01:19.000 One of the things he said to me, you're going to be able to talk without words.

01:01:22.000 I think we're going to read each other's minds.

01:01:26.000 I don't know that there's a correlation between access to more information and getting smarter.

01:01:29.000 But this is what I think.

01:01:31.000 I think ultimately there's going to be some sort of technology that literally allows people to understand people's intent and to read their thoughts and ideas.

01:01:41.000 I think it's not that far away.

01:01:43.000 It might be 50 years, whatever it is, but we're moving in this direction where we're going to be less human. 0.80

01:01:48.000 And that might be because of all the bullshit that's been created by social media and by these conversations, by these algorithms that encourage people to be upset about things, that encourage outrage.

01:02:03.000 We're gonna move into some weird place where we're gonna have to change who we are in order to recognize what are the motives behind these different programs and campaigns that are forcing people into these situations where they hate each other. 0.72

01:02:22.000 Yeah.

01:02:23.000 Yeah, as somebody who's taken the polygraph, I don't know, four dozen times.

01:02:30.000 I want to see if I can lie.

01:02:31.000 Yeah, well, what I was going to say was, I mean, we used to say with the polygraph that, oh my God, can't you just put like a colander on our head and just read our thoughts?

01:02:40.000 Because that would be a lot more pleasant and easier, right?

01:02:43.000 Have you ever beaten a polygraph?

01:02:45.000 Have you ever lied?

01:02:48.000 No.

01:02:48.000 I've had a lot of inconclusive.

01:02:50.000 Because the polygraph, the thing about the polygraph is, A, it's all physiological activity, right?

01:02:57.000 It's blood pressure and sweat and, you know.

01:03:01.000 What is it?

01:03:01.000 It's like heart rate, right?

01:03:02.000 Heart rate.

01:03:03.000 And it's an imperfect system.

01:03:07.000 Yeah, because it doesn't hold up in court.

01:03:08.000 Right.

01:03:09.000 And it's also entirely dependent on the experience and the abilities of the examiner, right?

01:03:09.000 Right.

01:03:15.000 And that varies because it's a human effort, right?

01:03:17.000 So you'll get a good polygrapher, you'll get one that's got less experience, you'll get one who's had a bad day, and it's just, you know, whatever.

01:03:24.000 Right.

01:03:26.000 And I've seen these things fail miserably.

01:03:27.000 I mean, obviously in the intel community, in the agency, we've had people...

01:03:31.000 Aldrich Ames, right, is a good example.

01:03:34.000 Who's that?

01:03:35.000 He was one of our traders, right?

01:03:38.000 So Aldrich Ames went to work for the enemy.

01:03:41.000 Which enemy?

01:03:42.000 The Russians. 0.71

01:03:43.000 And sold out...

01:03:45.000 Caused a fair number of deaths.

01:03:47.000 Hanson is another good example from the FBI. Ed Lee Howard.

01:03:51.000 I mean, oh my God, Jim Nicholson, all these people that were able to beat the polygraph because essentially they're psychopaths, right?

01:03:59.000 They don't see the difference between right and wrong.

01:04:01.000 So the polygraph doesn't have any influence on If you're a Quaker, if you walk around and you feel bad about everything, right?

01:04:07.000 Ah, God, I remember I took those cookies when I was a kid and I shouldn't have.

01:04:13.000 I plugged that toaster in. 0.99

01:04:14.000 I fucked up. 0.98

01:04:14.000 Yeah, I mean, it doesn't... 0.98

01:04:16.000 The old toaster incident.

01:04:19.000 I used that electricity.

01:04:20.000 I'm a bad Amish. 0.80

01:04:22.000 I'm a bad person.

01:04:23.000 I shouldn't have done it.

01:04:24.000 So if you carry that with you, then yeah, you're going to have a problem with a polygraph because you're going to be thinking about all these things.

01:04:30.000 And I've had...

01:04:32.000 Back in the day, you know, you take the polygraph and the examiner be like, oh my god, we're gonna take it again.

01:04:37.000 It's inconclusive.

01:04:38.000 Look, we're just worried about, have you sold secrets to the enemy?

01:04:42.000 That's all. 0.99

01:04:42.000 We don't worry about any of the other shit, right? 0.99

01:04:45.000 And yet, if you get somebody who doesn't think that way, like Aldrich Ames or some of these people, then yeah, they'll pass the polygraph. 0.99

01:04:52.000 So in our minds, we were always thinking, well, just come up with something better.

01:04:55.000 Now they're getting there, right?

01:04:56.000 They're getting to the ability to, with scans, brain scans.

01:05:02.000 FMRI, right?

01:05:03.000 Yeah.

01:05:03.000 So you're getting closer, but it's not one of those things that you're going to subject your workforce to.

01:05:09.000 It's costly.

01:05:10.000 It's very difficult to do.

01:05:12.000 So you use it for a high-value target, for instance, like a KSM or one of these cats from the old terrorist days.

01:05:24.000 So I guess my point with that is, we're still relying on the old school technology of the polygraph for the most part.

01:05:30.000 And we know it can be beaten.

01:05:32.000 And we know it can be beaten.

01:05:33.000 And it can be beaten if you feel no difference between right and wrong. 0.99

01:05:37.000 If you just walk through life and you don't give a fuck, then the polygraph isn't much of an issue for you. 0.96

01:05:44.000 But luckily, most people aren't like that. 0.98

01:05:47.000 Most people will get hooked up And they'll start reacting, right?

01:05:50.000 And that's a good thing.

01:05:51.000 But what about false memories?

01:05:53.000 Because it's been shown that particularly through hypnotic regression that you can introduce false memories to a person.

01:05:59.000 So if you say to a, you know, you can create a memory in a person, you know, like, you know, whatever, about seeing Bigfoot or whatever it is.

01:06:07.000 And that person can really believe it.

01:06:10.000 It's been proven that they can do that.

01:06:12.000 Yeah.

01:06:13.000 Especially under hypnosis.

01:06:14.000 So if you can hypnotize someone, get them, To believe a false narrative and then hook them up to a polygraph and then describe that false narrative, they'll show that they believe that thing, even though that thing is not really true.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:30.000 And that's true.

01:06:31.000 If you talk to somebody who said, okay, I was kidnapped by a UFO, by aliens.

01:06:37.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 They're going to believe it.

01:06:38.000 They're not going to react.

01:06:39.000 So what do you do with a polygraph?

01:06:42.000 Again, people are like, oh, we're having a lesson on the polygraph.

01:06:44.000 But what you do is you have other information that you've developed about that individual that you use.

01:06:50.000 So it's a tool in the kit bag that you use, at least in the intel community, to determine credibility.

01:06:57.000 It's just one tool.

01:06:59.000 It's just one tool.

01:07:00.000 You do not want to completely rely on the polygraph.

01:07:03.000 But I have seen it work.

01:07:05.000 Well, and then I've seen it fail miserably, right?

01:07:09.000 So, you know, what I would like to see, I mean, I look at it from a counterintelligence perspective, if we can create something that can read people's minds, Great, because you know what that does is that allows us to identify the traitor within the group, the mole, a lot quicker.

01:07:24.000 And counterintelligence operations are always an enormous lift.

01:07:27.000 People say, like, I can't believe you allowed whomever, you know, Hanson, to operate, you know, within the Bureau and have all those lives lost and betray us to the Russians for all those years.

01:07:37.000 And my response is always, you know, I can't believe we caught him because it's a very heavy lift.

01:07:44.000 It's a very difficult thing to do.

01:07:47.000 But to your point, yeah, do I want us to develop that ability in general?

01:07:52.000 No.

01:07:53.000 It's inevitable.

01:07:54.000 I think it's inevitable.

01:07:56.000 I think it's coming whether we want it or not.

01:07:58.000 I think if you look at the...

01:07:59.000 If you go back in time and you go to Martin Luther and you go to the printing press and the ability to translate the Bible into a phonetic language and the changes that that had on society and you move that into the future and you go to the free press and then you go to the internet and you go to social media and you go to where we are today...

01:08:27.000 One of the things that's common, the thing that it all shares in common is that there's a course in this path that seems to be inevitable, is that there's a shrinking of the distance between human beings and information.

01:08:42.000 And information is far more accessible than it's ever been before.

01:08:46.000 And there is some resistance to that, right?

01:08:48.000 Like there's some censorship in terms of like what you're allowed to search and what you're not allowed to search, which we talked about earlier with Google and DuckDuckGo and things are curated and we're all aware of the problems with big tech censoring certain voices on social media because they're concerned with the narrative that's going to be...

01:09:06.000 Because they're thinking about it in short-term gains and losses.

01:09:10.000 But ultimately...

01:09:12.000 All technology is leading into, there's a boundary between human beings and information.

01:09:19.000 It's getting smaller and smaller and smaller, to the point where information is going to be instantaneously accessible.

01:09:26.000 Whether it is a decade from now, or a month from now, or a hundred years from now, whatever it is, it is inevitable, in my opinion, that as technology continues to progress and innovation continues We're good to go.

01:09:59.000 Doesn't just hurt the people that you lie to.

01:10:02.000 It hurts you. 1.00

01:10:03.000 Because you're living some bullshit life where you're trying to pretend that you're something that you're not. 0.99

01:10:07.000 And I think ultimately people are going to get that. 0.99

01:10:10.000 And there's going to be people that fall by the wayside.

01:10:12.000 And there's going to be people that rise because of it.

01:10:14.000 And it's going to help culture ultimately.

01:10:16.000 But I think one of the big things it's going to do, it's going to eliminate propaganda.

01:10:21.000 And that's why I think it's going to be embraced.

01:10:23.000 Because you can't have propaganda if people can actually understand what people's intentions are. 0.98

01:10:28.000 In a clear, like, you know how you have, like, if you enable location finding on your phone, and you say, hey, I'm in Russia, and you're like, no, motherfucker, you're in Oklahoma. 0.97

01:10:39.000 It says it on your picture. 1.00

01:10:41.000 You piece of shit. 1.00

01:10:42.000 This is fake. 1.00

01:10:43.000 Well, who's to say Oklahoma's a little bit of a foreign destination?

01:10:46.000 It depends on where you are and who you are.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:10:49.000 How dare you.

01:10:49.000 See, I, no, I like Oklahoma.

01:10:52.000 It's foreign if you live in Connecticut. 1.00

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:56.000 Who wants to be there anymore?

01:10:58.000 Connecticut's a rough spot right now.

01:11:00.000 Didn't they just decide to open wide up?

01:11:03.000 I do not know.

01:11:04.000 I think they did too.

01:11:05.000 Didn't they, Jamie?

01:11:07.000 I think Connecticut opened wide up too, which is odd.

01:11:09.000 We left Connecticut to go to Idaho and I've never been happier.

01:11:14.000 Connecticut is a highway.

01:11:15.000 Any city there is barely a city and it's barely a state.

01:11:19.000 It's a highway between Boston and New York.

01:11:22.000 See, I will disagree on the – it's going to be a benefit overall.

01:11:26.000 I don't think it's going to be a benefit.

01:11:27.000 I think we – it's going to happen.

01:11:33.000 I don't disagree with that idea that it's just going to happen.

01:11:36.000 But I think the quicker and the more access that we have to information has not done us any favors to date.

01:11:46.000 Hasn't it though?

01:11:47.000 No.

01:11:47.000 People are way more educated and informed than people were a thousand years from now.

01:11:52.000 I'm very conflicted on this.

01:11:55.000 Is the potential there for good?

01:11:57.000 Yes.

01:11:57.000 But if you look at the reality of it all, look how divisive we are now.

01:12:04.000 But maybe isn't that because we don't have access to all the information so we're concerned and we're worried?

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 I mean, maybe part of it is how much credit you give to individual humans, but I just think that we haven't done ourselves any favors yet.

01:12:20.000 Maybe we learn, and maybe, yes, maybe there's one day when it's all instantaneous, and so therefore everybody's showing their cards all at the same time, and there's no issues.

01:12:31.000 But I just have a feeling that so far...

01:12:36.000 You know, so far, I don't think the internet has really...

01:12:41.000 This is going to sound like I'm some sort of Luddite, but in terms of our children, in terms of general society and the way that we deal with each other...

01:12:53.000 I don't know that it's done us more good than harm so far.

01:12:59.000 I just have this feeling that the way that we are currently, right, and people, because people, the human condition is still going to be that they're going to, they're going to go to wherever they believe, right?

01:13:10.000 So the fact that I can, I know your intentions doesn't mean it's going to make me altruistic and understanding, right?

01:13:17.000 That's not human condition.

01:13:18.000 It's just going to make me harden my opinion or figure out some way to get around The aspect of what your intentions are.

01:13:27.000 Maybe I'm more cynical than you are.

01:13:30.000 Let me push back on that.

01:13:31.000 Isn't that a lot of that fear and a lot of that is distrust of other people?

01:13:39.000 There's a lot of the way we interact with each other.

01:13:42.000 A lot of it is based on fear and distrust.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, but I don't think the additional access to information and instantaneous understanding of all...

01:13:49.000 I don't think that's going to make us...

01:13:51.000 Somehow it's going to make the human condition better.

01:13:53.000 I don't think it's going to make us more, again, more open to new ideas or others' ideas or opinions.

01:14:00.000 I just have a feeling we're going to figure out a workaround, and it may harden our positions.

01:14:07.000 And...

01:14:09.000 I don't know.

01:14:09.000 But maybe there's a workaround to the workaround.

01:14:11.000 Like, let's go back to the people in the 1950s that were terrible.

01:14:15.000 The old triple fake.

01:14:15.000 The people in the 1950s that were terrified about rock and roll.

01:14:19.000 They were terrified.

01:14:20.000 Elvis Presley's shaking his hips.

01:14:21.000 You can't show it on television.

01:14:22.000 There was a real argument. 0.99

01:14:24.000 There was a real argument that that guy, he's swinging his cock on TV and these girls are screaming. 1.00

01:14:29.000 Not literally swinging his cock. 1.00

01:14:30.000 What's that? 1.00

01:14:31.000 The porn. 0.65

01:14:31.000 What? 0.65

01:14:32.000 It led to, like, dirty porn, though? 0.97

01:14:34.000 No, there was porn before that.

01:14:35.000 I don't know what I mean, but, like, more and more and more.

01:14:37.000 Elvis?

01:14:38.000 Elvis did, yeah.

01:14:39.000 Elvis was directly responsible for... 0.98

01:14:40.000 A lot of porn. 0.98

01:14:41.000 A lot of porn. 0.83

01:14:42.000 With the Neuralink thing, there's going to be software and hardware issues.

01:14:45.000 I'm trying to piggyback off what he's saying that would be very hard knowing what we have seen over the past 20, 30 years...

01:14:52.000 Hard to keep that out of there.

01:14:53.000 Like, people would be able to mask their feelings from being seen by downloading the whole thing.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, for now.

01:14:58.000 For now, but, you know, that's also, again, like, location services and, like, a lot of other things.

01:15:05.000 Like, there's these little hurdles that come up that keep people from truly understanding the nature of an actual thing that you're experiencing.

01:15:15.000 Look, from my perspective, from an operational perspective, and from my business perspective, what do we do?

01:15:21.000 We're involved in a lot of investigations, a lot of fraud concerns, a lot of asset tracing, all these things that my folks do.

01:15:27.000 Hey, great!

01:15:28.000 I'd love to be able to know immediately what somebody's intentions are.

01:15:30.000 That makes the job so much easier.

01:15:35.000 I guess what I'm saying is I think it doesn't change the base nature of human characteristics.

01:15:43.000 And so I don't think it's going to make us suddenly come together as a community and understand and get together.

01:15:51.000 I think what's happened is the ability to access more information has just driven us apart and created these silos where we all just sit and listen to whatever... 0.89

01:16:03.000 Affirms our opinion and I don't think that you know a neural link or anything else is going to suddenly make us better people and I think it's going to Not be I don't know I and what the fuck do I know?

01:16:17.000 I'm not a neuroscientist, so I don't know I'm not a psychiatrist.

01:16:20.000 I don't know what the fuck do I know but my yeah, what the fuck do I know but my my Experiences so far have told me that oftentimes people's intentions aren't particularly good and And that we have to be pragmatic and sometimes being cynical is not a bad thing. 0.68

01:16:35.000 No. 0.98

01:16:36.000 I don't think it's a bad thing either, but I think that what we're dealing with is there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of distrust and there's a lot of conflict.

01:16:51.000 There's a lot of these things going on.

01:16:54.000 A lot of it is based on the unknown.

01:16:58.000 A lot of it is like, we don't know what the Russians are doing.

01:17:01.000 We don't know what the far left is doing.

01:17:04.000 We don't know what the far right is doing.

01:17:06.000 We don't know what the Chinese are doing.

01:17:08.000 And there's a problem with...

01:17:11.000 Our own biology.

01:17:12.000 It takes a long time for human beings to evolve biologically.

01:17:18.000 Like, there's not much difference between our DNA and the DNA of people that lived 10,000 years ago.

01:17:23.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 But there's a massive difference in the world that we exist in.

01:17:26.000 You're saying we're Neanderthals?

01:17:27.000 Because I've heard recently that that's bad.

01:17:29.000 Neanderthal thinking is bad.

01:17:31.000 Yeah.

01:17:34.000 As we move forward, technology is increasing at a pace that biology can't possibly keep up with.

01:17:42.000 So we are left with these tribal biological instincts that were developed and that evolved when people were in tribes worried about other tribes coming over and attacking us.

01:17:55.000 We were worried about the unknown.

01:17:56.000 We were worried about animals.

01:17:58.000 We were worried about attacks.

01:18:00.000 We're worried about, you know, the sky turning into a monster that we didn't understand.

01:18:04.000 And now we know so much more, but we still have the same human reward systems.

01:18:11.000 We still have the same DNA and biology that was...

01:18:15.000 Essentially programmed to keep us alive during these ignorant situations.

01:18:21.000 We didn't really know, but now we know a lot.

01:18:24.000 But now we know so much we have this ability to communicate that's unprecedented.

01:18:28.000 And it's evolving and changing.

01:18:29.000 The only way I see that we can keep up with it is if we do something to interface with the technology in a way that's unprecedented.

01:18:40.000 In a way that's different than just looking at a screen Or looking at a phone because you're still using the same biology and you're interfacing with new information when you're using a phone.

01:18:50.000 And that's also created a lot of confusion.

01:18:53.000 You know, that's part of the reasons why people isolate and insulate and get into these fucking, these little bubbles of information and thought and, you know, they insulate themselves from... 0.96

01:19:09.000 It's not a coincidence that the more technology increases and the more access to information increases, the more likely people are to get into these weird fucking groups where they have echo chambers.

01:19:23.000 I think one of the only ways it's going to move us out of that is some sort of technology that alleviates a lot of our concerns by giving us information about intent, give us information about what people's real thoughts are and real intentions are,

01:19:41.000 and let people know that most of us want the same thing.

01:19:46.000 Most of us really, truly want the same thing.

01:19:48.000 And a lot of the conflict that's been exploited, whether it's by social media algorithms or it's by foreign countries or bad entities, they've done so by preying upon these biological limitations.

01:20:04.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:20:07.000 Maybe I don't want to live in a world where I can read people's intents, right?

01:20:10.000 I mean, because part of it is sort of like, you take it down to the base level in terms of just relationships, right?

01:20:15.000 I think part of the excitement of life is not knowing, in a way, right? 1.00

01:20:20.000 That sounds maybe stupid. 1.00

01:20:22.000 Sounds like a married guy. 1.00

01:20:23.000 Yeah, it sounds like a married guy.

01:20:25.000 If you were single...

01:20:27.000 I was trying to think about what age do you do this if you do it to a baby because then you could hear what your baby's thinking but also you're going to have to replace that multiple times as they grow older or their brain might not develop correctly because there's already an interference.

01:20:41.000 An interference?

01:20:42.000 How so?

01:20:43.000 Because there's wires in the baby's brain that's not biologically Oh, yeah.

01:20:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:48.000 The wires thing is like...

01:20:49.000 I think the wires thing is like a wired phone.

01:20:52.000 You know, it's like, you know, like right now we don't have to have a wire.

01:20:55.000 I don't have a phone in my house, like a wired phone.

01:20:57.000 Yeah, nobody's got a landline anymore.

01:20:58.000 No, yeah.

01:20:59.000 But we used to. 0.92

01:21:00.000 You know, I think this wire thing is like a shitty technology.

01:21:03.000 Okay, well, you still have to have a...

01:21:04.000 Let's just get...

01:21:04.000 The wire's a sensor then.

01:21:05.000 It's still close to your brain and you have to cut the hole in the head and... 0.99

01:21:09.000 For now.

01:21:10.000 But remember when we were talking with Jamie Messel yesterday about CRISPR? What if CRISPR gets to the point where there's some new technology that we literally develop the human mind to the point where it can access Wi-Fi, where it can access...

01:21:27.000 Some new software or some new hardware that allows people to communicate with each other without any...

01:21:35.000 No filter.

01:21:37.000 No filter between us.

01:21:38.000 Whether it's language...

01:21:39.000 I will say this.

01:21:40.000 It sounds awful.

01:21:40.000 What you're describing...

01:21:42.000 I'm a simpleton.

01:21:43.000 I admit it.

01:21:43.000 You sound like a guy in the 1950s who was a pastor who was working at Elvis Presley, shaking his hips.

01:21:49.000 This is the end of civilization!

01:21:51.000 I loved Elvis.

01:21:54.000 But what I'm saying is, I think...

01:21:57.000 What I want to grow up as a kid today compared to when I grew up, which was we didn't have access to that news.

01:22:03.000 We had like three channels for news, right?

01:22:06.000 Everybody had a shared experience in a sense, right?

01:22:08.000 Now, am I saying – I'm not somebody who looks back at the past and goes, oh my god, it was so wonderful.

01:22:13.000 There were problems then too.

01:22:15.000 Of course it was.

01:22:15.000 And so, you know, but – As an example, was there a benefit to having much of the country sitting down for the 5 o'clock news or the 11 o'clock news, and everybody had a shared experience.

01:22:30.000 They were getting the same news.

01:22:33.000 Now they would process it differently based on their own personal life experience and where they were sitting in life, but there was a shared moment in time.

01:22:41.000 This is a small example.

01:22:45.000 I look at that and I go, you know, was there some benefit to that?

01:22:48.000 And I think there was, because now you don't have that.

01:22:51.000 And that creates in part what we've got today with this divisiveness that exists.

01:22:55.000 And everybody's sitting in their trenches.

01:22:57.000 It's like World War I, right?

01:22:58.000 Everybody's throwing grenades.

01:23:00.000 Nobody wants to come out into no man's land.

01:23:02.000 And then I go back to the other part of it, which is still more touchy-feely, admittedly, which is...

01:23:08.000 I don't want to know.

01:23:11.000 There's an element of life that it's sort of the unknown.

01:23:18.000 I don't want to walk around knowing exactly what your intention is or what Jamie's intention is.

01:23:25.000 It's not a concern of mine.

01:23:27.000 Life can be pretty simple if you think about it.

01:23:29.000 If you think, what am I interested in?

01:23:32.000 I'm interested in trying to be a good person, raising my family so that the kids are good people and productive people.

01:23:38.000 The idea of getting to some point in life where we don't have to talk to communicate, right?

01:23:44.000 I mean, no.

01:23:46.000 I'm not a buyer on that one.

01:23:48.000 This is where we're headed, Mike Baker.

01:23:50.000 We're going to be these little aliens.

01:23:52.000 I know.

01:23:52.000 This is our future.

01:23:53.000 Remember the Star Trek?

01:23:54.000 I think it was a two-part episode where they all just kind of communicate without talking? 0.99

01:23:58.000 That's fucked up. 0.97

01:24:00.000 Again, I don't want to... 0.99

01:24:01.000 But the problem with the scenario that you're painting in these rose-colored glasses is that there was a small group of people that curated that information that was portrayed on the 5 o'clock news.

01:24:15.000 That's the problem.

01:24:16.000 It's like, then you relied on government entities and propaganda, and you could have people with unscrupulous ideas, and that's what led to Stalin, Russia, and Laos, China.

01:24:29.000 But are you saying that now it's better in terms of politics and the governments and our reliance on government and the way that we have our information? 0.97

01:24:34.000 It's better in terms of whether or not we know the government's full of shit, because we're way more aware Way more aware of corruption. 0.98

01:24:43.000 I won't disagree with that. 0.99

01:24:44.000 But you know what?

01:24:44.000 Part of that is an investigative responsibility, right?

01:24:47.000 Part of that is the ability of individuals to question what's happening.

01:24:54.000 That never changes, right?

01:24:55.000 That's been the same now as it was Yeah, but they have the penny press.

01:24:58.000 No, they have access to Google and DuckDuckGo and search engines.

01:25:04.000 Are you an investor in DuckDuckGo?

01:25:06.000 No, I'm not.

01:25:06.000 Oh, okay.

01:25:07.000 Just checking.

01:25:08.000 Nothing to do with it, but I like it.

01:25:12.000 I'm a believer in unbiased sources, and I think there's only a few of them out there.

01:25:18.000 It's one of the reasons why I like Apple over Androids. 1.00

01:25:21.000 They don't share your information the same.

01:25:23.000 And I think there's real value in that, because human beings have We've been using these things, whether it's Google or Facebook, and we always thought that that was the product, that we were using these things, and that these things, Facebook was the product, Google was the product,

01:25:38.000 and then somewhere along the line we realized, no, we're the product.

01:25:42.000 Our data is the product, and we're selling.

01:25:44.000 But by using these things for free, by using whatever it is, their message services and posting on these things, we think we're getting something for free, but we're not.

01:25:55.000 Because we're giving up our data, we're giving up all of our metadata and all of our information, and through these algorithms they've been able to amass Insane amounts of wealth just by using our information.

01:26:10.000 Well, and it's something that, yeah, I always laugh when people talk about the government, you know, collecting information on you.

01:26:16.000 They say, government's not the problem.

01:26:17.000 The U.S. government's not the issue.

01:26:19.000 Nothing in comparison to social media corporations.

01:26:20.000 It can't organize panic in a doomed submarine.

01:26:22.000 Yeah, so, I mean, it's the corporations.

01:26:26.000 And these new corporations.

01:26:28.000 That 25 years ago didn't even exist.

01:26:32.000 There was no such thing as Facebook and Google.

01:26:35.000 They didn't have an influence on world ideas.

01:26:37.000 They didn't have an influence on the way people express narratives.

01:26:42.000 There was no influence by tech companies other than selling you cool products.

01:26:49.000 25 years ago, all they did is sell you things that you thought would enhance your life.

01:26:55.000 I guess what I'm saying is I don't disagree in the sense of – again, going back to the operational perspective, there's a lot of advantage, right, from somebody who is worried about security and national security concerns.

01:27:04.000 Hey, there's a lot of advantage to getting to that point.

01:27:08.000 I just don't think it's going to improve the human condition necessarily.

01:27:12.000 I don't think there's going to be the upside that necessarily comes from – Instantaneous, immediate access to understanding people's plans and intentions and information.

01:27:24.000 I don't think it's going to make us less tribal.

01:27:27.000 This was the same argument they had about the printing press.

01:27:31.000 It really is.

01:27:33.000 No, I've just been caught.

01:27:35.000 I've been caught short there.

01:27:36.000 I can't spot the lie in what you just said.

01:27:39.000 If you follow like Steven Pinker's work and you follow like the analysis of violence and crime as it relates to the progress of civilization and humanity, there's a path.

01:27:52.000 And this is not to discount all the situations where people have been the victim of violence and the victim of crime.

01:27:59.000 But there's less instances of it statistically.

01:28:01.000 If you had an overlook, if you were looking at the earth from above and you looked at a trend in terms of the way civilization is heading, as technology progresses, as access to food and resources and information progress, you have less instances of violence Less instances of crime and less instances of all the undesirable things.

01:28:24.000 Whether it's sexual assault or racism, all the things, they occur less over time.

01:28:30.000 And I think that as technology increases, this will be a trend that continues to go in that direction.

01:28:37.000 This is just me guessing based on the work of other people far smarter than me that have gone over this sort of pattern and looked at it in terms of like, where are we headed?

01:28:49.000 We're not headed in a bad place.

01:28:51.000 People can concentrate on all the bad things that still do exist, whether it's sexual harassment in the workplace or whether it's violence or whatever the thing you want to concentrate on.

01:29:03.000 There's 8 billion people on this planet.

01:29:05.000 You can find massive amounts of data that can support your idea that this is still a problem, and it's always going to be still a problem until there's no problems.

01:29:14.000 Until we reach utopia, and I don't know if we're ever going to reach utopia.

01:29:17.000 No, we're not going to.

01:29:20.000 Unless we turn into these guys.

01:29:22.000 Unless we turn into those guys. 0.95

01:29:23.000 These little genital-less, mouthless little mind readers. 0.99

01:29:27.000 By the way, we're getting ready to film a second season of Black Files Declassified.

01:29:31.000 Do you have any UFO stuff?

01:29:34.000 We do.

01:29:35.000 We're going to have a couple of really good episodes on that.

01:29:37.000 I've been very underwhelmed lately by people who are involved in the UFO world, unfortunately.

01:29:43.000 I think this is going to be good.

01:29:44.000 We're visiting...

01:29:45.000 We're going to have a couple of good episodes on this.

01:29:48.000 Where are you visiting?

01:29:50.000 I'm prescribed from saying the exact show map right now, but I've seen the...

01:29:56.000 You're prescribed?

01:29:56.000 Well, I've seen the topics, and I'm not allowed to talk about it.

01:30:00.000 I am allowed to say that the first season of Black Files Declassified is available on Discovery+.

01:30:06.000 But you're not allowed to talk about what happens?

01:30:09.000 About what we're going to film in the next season?

01:30:11.000 No.

01:30:11.000 Which is fine.

01:30:13.000 But...

01:30:16.000 A, I don't think we're heading towards utopia.

01:30:19.000 I don't think that's ever going to happen.

01:30:21.000 Again, maybe I'm too cynical about the human condition and the way that we always find a way to fuck things up.

01:30:26.000 Let me ask you this, though.

01:30:27.000 In your home, I bet it's pretty utopian.

01:30:31.000 In terms of, like, if you think about the way people lived as cavemen versus the way you live today...

01:30:38.000 Oh, sure.

01:30:39.000 In your home.

01:30:40.000 In your home with your family.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, the invention of the wheel.

01:30:42.000 Pretty utopian.

01:30:42.000 And the invention of the toaster.

01:30:44.000 I mean, it's all good stuff.

01:30:46.000 Electricity, warmth, hot showers.

01:30:48.000 Yes. 0.92

01:30:49.000 Pretty goddamn good. 0.96

01:30:50.000 It's very, very good. 0.97

01:30:52.000 Do you think it's going to continue along those same lines?

01:30:55.000 Um...

01:30:56.000 Yeah, but that's different than me sitting here and reading your intent immediately.

01:31:00.000 That's separate from that, right?

01:31:02.000 Now, again, if I'm concerned about finding a trader in my Intel organization, I like the idea very, very much.

01:31:10.000 But if I'm just some dude, right, who's interacting with people on a daily basis, do I find that...

01:31:21.000 Less appealing?

01:31:22.000 Yeah, I do.

01:31:25.000 There's not necessarily a logic to what I'm saying.

01:31:28.000 I know that.

01:31:28.000 Listen, you have a handicap.

01:31:30.000 You're not even American. 0.99

01:31:30.000 That's part of the problem. 0.99

01:31:33.000 You got over here a couple of weeks ago. 0.99

01:31:36.000 Like some fucking European-Australian character. 0.99

01:31:40.000 I know. 0.99

01:31:40.000 You probably liked the European Union idea. 0.99

01:31:43.000 I don't know.

01:31:44.000 I didn't even pay attention to that.

01:31:46.000 I'm too busy.

01:31:48.000 Some people didn't like it.

01:31:49.000 Hey, you mentioned, by the way, I just filed it away and it just popped up in my data bank again, Syria.

01:31:56.000 You mentioned Syria?

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 It's a very good point.

01:32:01.000 A, there's very little attention paid to it.

01:32:03.000 People were paying attention to Ted Cruz trying to go to Cancun. 0.99

01:32:06.000 They didn't give a fuck about Syria. 0.90

01:32:08.000 At what point didn't his chief of staff or somebody, right, who was booking his tickets, didn't say, you know, Ted, this is probably the optic isn't looking good. 0.97

01:32:17.000 So maybe you shouldn't do it.

01:32:19.000 Why can't he wear, like, a better mask?

01:32:21.000 Did he wear a mask at all? 0.96

01:32:23.000 Yeah, but I mean, like, if you're gonna wear a mask, like, get someone to fucking dye your hair blue or something. 0.70

01:32:28.000 Yeah, you can't hide that Ted Cruz look. 0.91

01:32:29.000 He's very discernible.

01:32:31.000 Shave your head!

01:32:35.000 Wear an eyepatch.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, do something.

01:32:36.000 Come up with something.

01:32:38.000 It's just like, if you're going to go to Cancun in the middle of a deep freeze, and then also be aware that you can't say, I was going to head right back when people can fucking research your ticket and find out you actually weren't coming back until Saturday.

01:32:51.000 It was weird.

01:32:52.000 It was strange.

01:32:53.000 It was a bizarrely bumbled job on his part and his staff's part, right?

01:32:59.000 Because most of these people are kind of controlled by their staffs. 1.00

01:33:01.000 How about his wife's got a bunch of friends that are fucking rats? 1.00

01:33:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:04.000 How about that?

01:33:05.000 They sold her down the river. 0.97

01:33:09.000 Gave up all her text messages talking about how it's freezing.

01:33:12.000 But listen, if you have the means and you are stuck in a place where there's no power and the power's not coming back on and you can just fly to Cancun, I get the optics for Ted, but his family should absolutely be allowed to do that,

01:33:29.000 if they have the money.

01:33:30.000 It's not like you shouldn't have to stay and suffer because everybody else has to stay and suffer.

01:33:34.000 No, if you're going into public service, though, you should.

01:33:37.000 He should.

01:33:38.000 No, his family should, too, because there's no dividing line.

01:33:42.000 People don't perceive the difference between Ted's wife and kids went to Cancun.

01:33:48.000 They're not going to then say, but Ted stayed here, so that's good.

01:33:52.000 The headline's going to be, ah, he sent his family to Cancun.

01:33:55.000 So whether he went or not, it didn't matter. 1.00

01:33:58.000 So that's why I say it was a stupid, stupid political move on his part, and a very amateur move. 1.00

01:34:04.000 But if his family went without him, do you think it would be... 1.00

01:34:06.000 I mean, I don't think anyone would even pay attention. 0.99

01:34:09.000 If he stayed home in a fucking tent with a mug lux on, a beaver hat... 1.00

01:34:15.000 I mean, you might as well be in a tent if your fucking house has no heat. 1.00

01:34:19.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:34:19.000 Hey, look, in Connecticut, where we used to live, apparently when you moved to Connecticut, you signed some agreement, I don't remember signing it, that said every winter the power is going to go out at least four or five times during the winter and for days at a time. 0.99

01:34:34.000 I mean, not just a couple of days.

01:34:36.000 The first winter we were in Connecticut, because all the utilities are above ground, right?

01:34:41.000 So, you know, they get a lot of storms.

01:34:43.000 Trees come down.

01:34:44.000 So the next thing you know, the entire town and a bunch of other towns are without power.

01:34:48.000 It is a common occurrence there.

01:34:50.000 But the difference is, as opposed to here in Texas, you're used to it.

01:34:53.000 You're prepared for it.

01:34:54.000 So what happens is you get generators and you get food and you understand it's going to happen, right?

01:35:00.000 You have a fireplace.

01:35:01.000 It's going to be okay, even if the power is out for six or seven or eight days, which it It is, right?

01:35:06.000 It's not an uncommon occurrence.

01:35:08.000 So, I mean, I remember we didn't have a generator the first winter, right?

01:35:13.000 And I remember looking outside.

01:35:14.000 Power was out for a few days.

01:35:16.000 Other people got their lights on, right?

01:35:17.000 And our neighbors were great, and they'd say, come on over.

01:35:20.000 Just stay at our house for a few days until, you know, and that's what we would do.

01:35:23.000 And then eventually, you know, my wife, the finest person I know, you know, she said...

01:35:31.000 She knows not about that handy, but she said, you're going to go get a generator for the family, right?

01:35:34.000 Maybe take care of the family.

01:35:35.000 So I went to a Home Depot to buy a...

01:35:40.000 Did you just talk like a foreigner? 0.99

01:35:41.000 Home Depot? 1.00

01:35:42.000 What the fuck is a Depot? 0.99

01:35:43.000 What is it? 1.00

01:35:44.000 It's a Depot.

01:35:45.000 Jamie, talk to him.

01:35:46.000 I heard it.

01:35:46.000 I was going to let it slide.

01:35:47.000 It's Depot.

01:35:48.000 Home Depot.

01:35:49.000 Depot. 1.00

01:35:50.000 You fucking foreigner. 1.00

01:35:52.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:35:53.000 You go to Home...

01:35:54.000 Don't they teach you in the CIA? You go to Home Depot.

01:35:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Talk like a goddamn American. 1.00

01:36:01.000 I'm an American. 1.00

01:36:02.000 I was born here, bro.

01:36:03.000 There I was in my beaver hat, and I went to Home Depot with my buckskin jacket.

01:36:12.000 But I went there, and I remember walking in, and I thought, I gotta buy a generator.

01:36:17.000 They're already bought.

01:36:18.000 Well, there was like one left, right?

01:36:21.000 And the manager, because I approached some guy and I said, look, I'm looking to buy a generator.

01:36:28.000 And the guy says, well, you know, I'll show you where they are, but I don't think we have any left.

01:36:33.000 And there was a fight going on over the last generator.

01:36:36.000 Like we were about to face the zombie apocalypse, right?

01:36:39.000 There was a battle going on in this Home Depot where...

01:36:45.000 Where they were going to come to, as we used to say, fisticuffs. 0.99

01:36:52.000 And so I remember standing there looking at them thinking, you've got to be shitting me.

01:36:58.000 And then I slipped the manager some money and he took me out back and gave me the last generator. 0.96

01:37:04.000 Really?

01:37:05.000 How much did you have to give him?

01:37:06.000 Eh, not that much compared to the cost of the generator.

01:37:08.000 Point being though is then I had the generator and then I realized after running it for a while that it needs oil.

01:37:13.000 I didn't know that until it burned out.

01:37:15.000 Oh no!

01:37:16.000 Yeah, because I'm not that handy.

01:37:18.000 But I guess the point being is We weren't used to it, right?

01:37:22.000 We didn't have a problem with it. 0.99

01:37:23.000 And then you look at what happens in Texas, and I had friends on the East Coast that were saying, I want a bunch of pussies, right? 1.00

01:37:28.000 They're all complaining because they don't... 0.99

01:37:29.000 And I said, look, it's Texas.

01:37:31.000 When was the last time they had a deep freeze like this, right?

01:37:34.000 It's all what you're used to and what you're prepared to get ready for.

01:37:37.000 It is.

01:37:38.000 So I don't know where I was going with that story.

01:37:40.000 And most people around here didn't know how to drive in it, which is...

01:37:43.000 Really?

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:44.000 Of course.

01:37:45.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:37:46.000 They didn't have the tires for it.

01:37:47.000 They didn't have four-wheel drive.

01:37:49.000 Or if they did have four-wheel drive, there's a lot of guys with trucks that have these pickup trucks, but they're two-wheel drive trucks.

01:37:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:57.000 And we get that, too.

01:37:59.000 Trucks are the worst. 0.99

01:38:00.000 They have real fucking weight in the back. 0.99

01:38:02.000 You have to have sandbags back there or something. 0.98

01:38:03.000 You've got to put sand back there.

01:38:04.000 Put at least 100 and 150 pounds of sand in the back, and then you're good.

01:38:08.000 But...

01:38:09.000 We've got people that move up to Idaho, particularly from California, that get that first winter.

01:38:16.000 And we don't plow the roads, right?

01:38:19.000 The general feeling is, if you don't know how to drive in the snow, then stay home.

01:38:23.000 So nobody's plowing the roads.

01:38:26.000 We still get people out there that don't know how to drive.

01:38:29.000 They don't plow the roads?

01:38:30.000 No.

01:38:31.000 If it's a lot in Boise, then they'll get out there and they'll give it an effort.

01:38:36.000 Do you have a serious vehicle up there?

01:38:38.000 Yeah, we've got nothing but I got a truck.

01:38:41.000 What do you drive?

01:38:42.000 It's a GMC. Some fucking foreign piece of shit? 1.00

01:38:45.000 Oh, it's a GMC. Denali. 1.00

01:38:47.000 And we got a suburban.

01:38:48.000 I got a Wagoneer.

01:38:49.000 I got a 91 Wagoneer.

01:38:50.000 I told you that before.

01:38:51.000 Oh, that's right.

01:38:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:51.000 With the wood panels?

01:38:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:53.000 I know. 0.96

01:38:55.000 I look pretty fucking good in my beaver hat driving that Wagoneer. 0.98

01:38:59.000 And then I just bought a 1965 MGB. Oh, really? 0.98

01:39:04.000 From a guy in the UK, from a Vicar.

01:39:06.000 From the little convertible ones?

01:39:07.000 A Vicar, yeah, yeah.

01:39:08.000 It's a beautiful car.

01:39:09.000 Oh, man.

01:39:09.000 Don't they have, like, wooden frames or something?

01:39:11.000 No, no.

01:39:17.000 That's an old-ass car, man.

01:39:18.000 That's an old car.

01:39:19.000 No, 65, it's a brilliant piece of machinery.

01:39:24.000 And this one's been...

01:39:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:25.000 Look at that.

01:39:26.000 That's a sweet little vehicle right there.

01:39:29.000 Look at the wire wheels.

01:39:30.000 Nice.

01:39:31.000 Google 1965 MGB. What's this?

01:39:34.000 Yes, there you go.

01:39:37.000 It's beautiful.

01:39:38.000 So I'm going to pick it up in Liverpool.

01:39:39.000 Oh, look at that black one. 1.00

01:39:40.000 You're literally going to go to England to get it?

01:39:43.000 Actually, bring it back.

01:39:44.000 Jamie, I think you've got my car.

01:39:46.000 The green one?

01:39:46.000 The green one, yeah.

01:39:47.000 Really?

01:39:49.000 Oh, look at that.

01:39:50.000 That's beautiful.

01:39:51.000 So I'm going to take him over to England.

01:39:54.000 We're going to drive it around for a while, and then I'm going to ship it back.

01:39:57.000 Now, this is not a car you drive in the winter in Idaho, but in the summertime, It's going to be great.

01:40:04.000 And Sluggo, my middle boy, has already claimed it.

01:40:06.000 He said, when you guys die...

01:40:07.000 He talks like that all the time.

01:40:08.000 When you guys die, do I get the house? 1.00

01:40:10.000 What the hell? 1.00

01:40:11.000 You better have AAA for that fucking car. 1.00

01:40:13.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:40:14.000 That's a British car, right?

01:40:15.000 Yeah, it is.

01:40:16.000 They're not known for their reliability.

01:40:18.000 What is it about the Brits where they make shitbag cars? 1.00

01:40:20.000 They're your people. 0.78

01:40:21.000 They make great...

01:40:22.000 They make very solid cars.

01:40:24.000 We made the Spitfire from World War II, you know.

01:40:26.000 They make great cars, but they don't have the best reliability ratings.

01:40:31.000 You're thinking about Italian cars.

01:40:32.000 You're thinking about Fiats.

01:40:33.000 Listen, I'm Italian.

01:40:34.000 I'll tell you right now.

01:40:35.000 I don't buy my people's cars. 1.00

01:40:37.000 I don't trust anybody like me to make a fucking car. 0.99

01:40:40.000 But the Land Rover, they make a fucking hell of a car, but they break all the time. 0.99

01:40:47.000 I looked at the new Defender. 0.95

01:40:49.000 Have you seen the new Defender?

01:40:50.000 Get yourself an old Defender now.

01:40:51.000 That's what lasts forever. 0.99

01:40:53.000 Jesus, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:40:54.000 Those things break constantly. 0.98

01:40:57.000 It's the difference between buying an old Land Cruiser, Toyota Land Cruiser, and a new Land Cruiser.

01:41:01.000 The old ones, they will stay on the road forever.

01:41:04.000 As long as you take care of them, you've got to take care of them. 1.00

01:41:06.000 You're a good guy, but you're talking out of your ass. 1.00

01:41:08.000 Let me tell you something right now. 1.00

01:41:09.000 You just fucked up and you stepped into my realm. 1.00

01:41:11.000 Those new Land Cruisers are very... 1.00

01:41:14.000 Virtually bulletproof. 1.00

01:41:15.000 Those fucking things last forever. 1.00

01:41:17.000 You can't fix anything on those things. 1.00

01:41:19.000 You don't have to.

01:41:20.000 They don't break.

01:41:21.000 The old Land Cruiser's also virtually bulletproof.

01:41:23.000 Don't you run a car you could fix?

01:41:25.000 There's an old saying that they used to say, in Australia in particular, if you want to go into the bush, you bring a Range Rover.

01:41:31.000 If you want to get out of the bush, you bring a Land Cruiser. 0.98

01:41:34.000 Because those Range Rovers suck. 0.92

01:41:37.000 They're beautiful. 0.99

01:41:37.000 They look cool. 0.99

01:41:38.000 It makes it look like you're an artist. 0.99

01:41:40.000 You've got one of them fucking moleskin notebooks and you're writing deep thoughts about your soul. 0.99

01:41:45.000 Oh, you've got to solve a murder mystery in a village somewhere. 0.99

01:41:48.000 Yeah, that's a 100 series, right?

01:41:53.000 Yeah.

01:41:53.000 Isn't that?

01:41:53.000 Yeah, I have an 80 series.

01:41:55.000 But that's right there.

01:41:56.000 Look at that.

01:41:57.000 Yeah, that one right there.

01:41:58.000 Ah.

01:41:59.000 That's sweet.

01:42:00.000 That one's going to stay on the road forever.

01:42:01.000 Nice.

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:02.000 What year is that?

01:42:03.000 That's a 70 series, right?

01:42:04.000 What is that?

01:42:05.000 Yep.

01:42:05.000 Nice.

01:42:06.000 See? 1.00

01:42:06.000 I know my shit. 1.00

01:42:07.000 I have an 80 series. 1.00

01:42:09.000 I have an 80 series.

01:42:10.000 Land Cruiser.

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 1995. It was souped up by Icon, so it's got a supercharged Corvette engine in it.

01:42:16.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:42:17.000 Yeah, I was driving around while everybody was freaking out about the snow. 0.99

01:42:21.000 I was like, ha ha!

01:42:22.000 I got locking differentials.

01:42:23.000 You can find mine, Jamie. 0.98

01:42:25.000 Find mine in there because it's fucking souped up and it's lifted so it can go over everything and it's got like a fucking... 0.93

01:42:32.000 That's it on the far left. 0.98

01:42:33.000 That's it right there.

01:42:34.000 That's my car.

01:42:36.000 That's it.

01:42:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:38.000 That fucking thing. 1.00

01:42:39.000 That fucking thing. 1.00

01:42:40.000 I loved driving that thing around. 1.00

01:42:42.000 Do you still have it?

01:42:42.000 Yes!

01:42:43.000 I drove it around during...

01:42:44.000 That's my buddy, Jonathan Ward.

01:42:46.000 He moved out here, too.

01:42:47.000 I don't think he wants anybody to know.

01:42:48.000 Too late.

01:42:50.000 I'm sure.

01:42:50.000 Just between you and me, nobody else knows.

01:42:52.000 But that fucking thing, man, you drive that anywhere. 0.99

01:42:55.000 It's awesome. 0.99

01:42:56.000 I mean, it was so sturdy and sure-footed.

01:43:00.000 And it's got solid axles and...

01:43:02.000 You know, front and rear.

01:43:03.000 Look at that.

01:43:04.000 Supercharged Corvette engines.

01:43:05.000 In some of our places overseas, I mean, Land Cruiser was all we had.

01:43:08.000 They're the best.

01:43:08.000 We'd show up somewhere and, you know, that was sort of the fleet of vehicles that we had available to us to get around.

01:43:13.000 That's why.

01:43:14.000 And yeah, no, they're great vehicles. 0.98

01:43:16.000 But don't be fucking with the Defender. 0.98

01:43:18.000 That's a great vehicle. 0.99

01:43:20.000 Listen, the new Defender is a...

01:43:21.000 Google 2021 Range Rover Defender V8. They have a new one that has 500-plus horsepower.

01:43:30.000 90 series.

01:43:32.000 90 series is the one. 0.96

01:43:33.000 It's a fucking beautiful car, but they have literally the worst reliability ratings that are out there. 0.96

01:43:39.000 That's a fact. 0.99

01:43:40.000 Look at that.

01:43:42.000 Come on. 1.00

01:43:42.000 That's a beautiful goddamn car. 1.00

01:43:44.000 That truck goes zero to 60 in a little over four seconds. 1.00

01:43:50.000 518 horsepower.

01:43:51.000 You can go over there and pick up a Land Rover and go through their testing facility.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, and then it'll break down before you even get home. 0.99

01:43:56.000 You won't even be able to get it back to the fucking factory. 0.99

01:43:58.000 Well, anyway, that fucking 65 MGB is going to be sweet. 0.99

01:44:02.000 And yes, you're right. 0.99

01:44:04.000 But you know what I can do with it?

01:44:05.000 I can also work on it.

01:44:06.000 Bring your AAA card.

01:44:07.000 I can jack that thing up and work on it because I don't need a computer system to figure out what's wrong with it.

01:44:12.000 That's true.

01:44:13.000 You know it.

01:44:14.000 It's broken and there it goes.

01:44:15.000 Replace the engine.

01:44:16.000 Well, I know what's going on.

01:44:17.000 Yeah.

01:44:18.000 Anyway.

01:44:19.000 They're beautiful cars.

01:44:21.000 And there's some real value to the simplicity of those old cars.

01:44:26.000 Like you could work on the carburetor.

01:44:28.000 You could figure out, oh, I'll replace the spark plugs.

01:44:31.000 You could do things to them.

01:44:33.000 Yeah.

01:44:33.000 I had a 67 Triumph one time.

01:44:35.000 Oh.

01:44:35.000 That's where it got stolen.

01:44:36.000 See, you really are, Britt. 0.99

01:44:38.000 You like those old shitboxes. 0.97

01:44:39.000 I do like them. 0.97

01:44:43.000 All right.

01:44:44.000 I give up.

01:44:45.000 You're right.

01:44:46.000 I think they're cool.

01:44:47.000 Look at that, man.

01:44:48.000 I know.

01:44:49.000 Look at that.

01:44:50.000 God, that's beautiful.

01:44:50.000 It's like driving a go-kart.

01:44:51.000 You're so low to the ground.

01:44:52.000 So little, too. 0.88

01:44:53.000 Look at the little tiny-ass tires.

01:44:56.000 God, that's awesome.

01:44:57.000 They have fun to drive, man.

01:44:58.000 You know what I really love?

01:44:59.000 That Jaguar E-Type. 1.00

01:45:01.000 That long front nose, like a fucking Barracuda. 1.00

01:45:05.000 Now, those are, I will admit, those are always in need of... 1.00

01:45:09.000 Repair.

01:45:10.000 Constant.

01:45:11.000 I think they've got the new ones dialed in, though.

01:45:13.000 The new Jaguars.

01:45:14.000 It's made by Ford.

01:45:15.000 Yeah.

01:45:16.000 But for whatever reason, they can't figure out the new Range Rovers.

01:45:19.000 They still break down.

01:45:20.000 There's a YouTube channel that I follow that reviews trucks, and they...

01:45:27.000 God, I can't remember the name of the channel.

01:45:31.000 These guys, I believe they're from... 0.99

01:45:32.000 I don't even know where the fuck they're from. 0.98

01:45:35.000 But they bought the base model Range Rover Defender. 0.99

01:45:40.000 And they got, you know, the four-cylinder one, the cheapest one you can get with the metal wheels.

01:45:44.000 And it broke down almost immediately after having it.

01:45:47.000 And it took, like, more than a month for them to get it repaired.

01:45:50.000 And this is a brand new truck.

01:45:52.000 Is that it?

01:45:53.000 These guys?

01:45:54.000 Yeah, the Fastlane. 0.99

01:45:55.000 Yeah, so their fucking Defender broke down. 0.99

01:45:58.000 Like, right away. 1.00

01:45:59.000 The guy's laughing his ass off.

01:46:01.000 This guy, he's a really good reviewer on YouTube.

01:46:04.000 He's got an awesome channel.

01:46:05.000 It's really informative and well thought out.

01:46:09.000 What's it called?

01:46:10.000 The Fastlane.

01:46:11.000 The Fastlane, okay.

01:46:11.000 The Fastlane, and most of it is.

01:46:13.000 So, our third brand new Land Rover Defender, but will it be our last?

01:46:18.000 Because they kept breaking down. 1.00

01:46:19.000 These fucking things. 1.00

01:46:20.000 They had to fly someone in from England to fix it. 1.00

01:46:24.000 Well, that's inexpensive.

01:46:26.000 Yeah, because they just couldn't... 0.98

01:46:28.000 And also, when you've got a channel that has millions of views on their reviews and you sell them a fucking shitty lemon and it keeps breaking down, you've made a mistake. 0.92

01:46:40.000 It's not good, yeah. 0.89

01:46:41.000 They have the worst reliability ratings, and it's unfortunate, because other than that, I don't know what corners they're cutting where their stuff sucks, because the engineering and everything, the design is amazing.

01:46:54.000 I'll tell you what we've been happy with.

01:46:55.000 7,000 miles.

01:46:56.000 What broke?

01:46:59.000 My wife drives a Suburban, right? 1.00

01:47:01.000 Now, it's like, what is it, a 2019, I think.

01:47:04.000 And we needed something we could throw all the sports gear in for the kids, right?

01:47:09.000 And haul all of them and the dogs and everything around.

01:47:11.000 And it's been amazingly reliable.

01:47:14.000 I'll say that much.

01:47:15.000 And I never had a Suburban before.

01:47:17.000 But it's been probably the best vehicle we've owned in terms of just reliability, right?

01:47:22.000 Yeah, those new GM cars are far better than the old ones.

01:47:26.000 Like, a perfect example is the new GM Corvette. 0.98

01:47:28.000 That new Chevy Corvette is fucking incredible. 0.98

01:47:32.000 That's an incredible car. 0.99

01:47:34.000 It's the best value sports car you can get.

01:47:37.000 It's a mid-engine American supercar and it's super reliable and really well engineered.

01:47:43.000 I mean, they went above and beyond for a long time. 0.98

01:47:46.000 They worked on that goddamn thing and they made a masterpiece. 0.99

01:47:48.000 That new Corvette, look at that thing. 1.00

01:47:50.000 That is a masterpiece.

01:47:52.000 It's an amazing car.

01:47:53.000 They went through a dark period.

01:47:55.000 Look at that thing, man. 0.99

01:47:57.000 That thing's fucking gorgeous, too. 0.99

01:47:59.000 It looks like a Ferrari. 0.99

01:48:00.000 Well, that's what I was going to say.

01:48:01.000 There was a period of time where...

01:48:03.000 But again, American design cars went through a period.

01:48:06.000 Look at that thing, though.

01:48:07.000 Come on.

01:48:08.000 Remember when every...

01:48:09.000 That's beautiful.

01:48:10.000 We had a 69 Camaro for a while.

01:48:14.000 But there was a period where Camaros, Firebirds, Trans Ams all looked alike. 1.00

01:48:18.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:48:19.000 When they got into the 70s and the 80s, they were dog shit. 1.00

01:48:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:22.000 With that, that's a magical vehicle. 1.00

01:48:25.000 They really came out of...

01:48:26.000 And the interior was always the big thing about...

01:48:29.000 Click on one of the photos of the interior, Jamie, because that was always the big criticism.

01:48:33.000 That interior is amazing.

01:48:35.000 It's beautiful.

01:48:36.000 And the new one, the 2022, was supposed to be even better looking than that.

01:48:40.000 What's the price on that?

01:48:41.000 It's not bad.

01:48:42.000 I think the base model is $60,000.

01:48:45.000 Seriously?

01:48:45.000 Yes.

01:48:46.000 It's like an SUV. Yes.

01:48:47.000 For a car that looks that good and is that fast, I mean, it's ridiculously fast.

01:48:53.000 And because it's mid-engine, all the weight is above the rear wheels.

01:48:58.000 So it's really well balanced.

01:49:01.000 It handles fantastic.

01:49:03.000 I mean, they have rave reviews all throughout the internet and all these different websites.

01:49:09.000 They nailed it.

01:49:10.000 Yeah.

01:49:10.000 What's your favorite car you've had?

01:49:13.000 I have a 1965 Corvette.

01:49:15.000 It's probably my favorite.

01:49:16.000 Yeah.

01:49:16.000 I'd give them all up except for that one.

01:49:18.000 Yeah.

01:49:19.000 If I had to give them all up, I'd keep that.

01:49:20.000 I think I've seen that.

01:49:21.000 You had that parked one time at your old place.

01:49:24.000 Yes.

01:49:24.000 At the Comedy Store, too.

01:49:25.000 Yeah.

01:49:25.000 That's nice.

01:49:26.000 That fucking thing is... 1.00

01:49:27.000 That thing is... 1.00

01:49:28.000 It's just...

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:29.000 It's just the perfect little car.

01:49:31.000 It's fun.

01:49:32.000 But if I had to choose one car to drive, if you said, you can only drive one car, it would be my Tesla.

01:49:40.000 Really?

01:49:40.000 Oh yeah.

01:49:41.000 It makes other cars seem like they're foolish. 1.00

01:49:46.000 Like they're dumb. 0.99

01:49:47.000 Have you ever driven one? 0.99

01:49:48.000 No.

01:49:48.000 You should drive one.

01:49:49.000 I've never actually been inclined to even think about Tesla.

01:49:53.000 They're so fast, you can't believe it.

01:49:56.000 You can't believe it.

01:49:57.000 It goes 0 to 60 in 2.4 seconds.

01:50:00.000 That's two seconds faster than that new Corvette.

01:50:03.000 That's one second faster.

01:50:06.000 New Corvette's under four seconds. 0.97

01:50:08.000 But it's preposterous how fast it is.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, that's one area I can't even speak about because I have not been in a Tesla. 1.00

01:50:19.000 They'll fuck with your head. 0.99

01:50:20.000 They'll fuck with your head because they do things in a way that you go, why don't other cars work? 1.00

01:50:25.000 Don't you feel the same way? 1.00

01:50:26.000 I'm going to say mine's all bad.

01:50:27.000 Go show them real quick.

01:50:27.000 Come back.

01:50:28.000 Mine's out back, too.

01:50:29.000 Okay.

01:50:29.000 Mine's back there, too.

01:50:31.000 There's an EV Corvette coming out, it says.

01:50:33.000 Yeah.

01:50:33.000 What it's going to be is a hybrid.

01:50:35.000 That makes sense.

01:50:35.000 They're going to have electrical motors in the front, and I think they're going to still have the mid-engine.

01:50:39.000 But it's going to be like the Acura NSX, which is like a hybrid.

01:50:43.000 They have electrical motors.

01:50:44.000 This is not it, though.

01:50:44.000 I'm trying to figure out the difference.

01:50:46.000 1,000 horsepower Corvette Zora is in the works.

01:50:49.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:50:49.000 Everyone's going to die.

01:50:50.000 Should I say a stop order on future car development?

01:50:52.000 Well, my boy John Hennessy already takes a regular Corvette, and I think he jacks it up to 1,000 horsepower.

01:50:58.000 Go to Hennessey's Corvette.

01:51:00.000 I have a Hennessey Raptor.

01:51:03.000 Oh.

01:51:03.000 Oh yeah.

01:51:04.000 That's my Texas truck.

01:51:06.000 I had to get one when I moved here. 0.97

01:51:08.000 Just to show that I'm fucking committed to being a Texan. 0.97

01:51:12.000 You gotta have a pickup truck. 0.97

01:51:14.000 It's my first pickup truck I've ever owned in my life.

01:51:17.000 Really?

01:51:18.000 Yeah.

01:51:18.000 I will say, you know, probably if I look at it.

01:51:21.000 This is the Hennessey C8 Corvette.

01:51:25.000 He's got a thousand horsepower Corvette.

01:51:28.000 Watch how fast this thing passes. 1.00

01:51:30.000 Come the fuck on! 1.00

01:51:34.000 That to me, that's an eagle strangling a terrorist. 1.00

01:51:38.000 That's America.

01:51:44.000 Hennessy's awesome.

01:51:45.000 Come and take it.

01:51:46.000 He's got the cannon on it.

01:51:47.000 Look at the first 200 mile rodeo.

01:51:50.000 That's crazy.

01:51:51.000 Yeah, Generation 501, 203.9 miles per hour. 1.00

01:51:55.000 Yeah, he makes some wild shit. 1.00

01:51:57.000 See, I got weird taste. 1.00

01:52:00.000 The pickup that I've got now, I really like.

01:52:02.000 I'm a big fan.

01:52:04.000 I think a pickup truck is always a great option.

01:52:07.000 But ever since I was a kid, and I've never owned one, I've looked at a lot of them.

01:52:11.000 I've come close to buying them, but this is going to sound weird.

01:52:13.000 But the car that I've always wanted to buy is a 56 Bel Air.

01:52:16.000 Oh, it's a beautiful car.

01:52:18.000 It's a beautiful car.

01:52:19.000 It's a beautiful car.

01:52:19.000 It's something about sort of the excess of that period of time, right?

01:52:23.000 Yeah.

01:52:23.000 Where it was just like, it was all about melding the car design with airplanes and just that whole idea.

01:52:31.000 Yeah.

01:52:31.000 Oh, God.

01:52:32.000 But I've never found one that I thought, yeah, I'm going to buy this one.

01:52:35.000 I saw a 55 the other day that was souped up.

01:52:37.000 It was at this auto shop that I get my repairs done at in Austin, and it was amazing.

01:52:43.000 Just the boxiness, but the chrome bumpers and the shape.

01:52:49.000 It's fantastic.

01:52:51.000 It's a different world, right?

01:52:54.000 Inefficient.

01:52:55.000 Yeah.

01:52:56.000 Nonsense.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, it is nonsense.

01:52:58.000 But they're so beautiful.

01:52:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:59.000 I don't know why, but I go to car shows and I'm always looking around.

01:53:03.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:53:04.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:53:05.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:53:05.000 God, that's beautiful. 1.00

01:53:07.000 Tell me that's not beautiful.

01:53:07.000 Is that a 56, Jamie?

01:53:09.000 God, that's so pretty.

01:53:11.000 That is so pretty.

01:53:12.000 Everything about it. 0.96

01:53:15.000 It's just so fucking excess, but it's just gorgeous.

01:53:19.000 And the color schemes they had back then, just crazy. 0.86

01:53:23.000 You know who made a really killer one? 0.99

01:53:26.000 Who the fuck was it that made a really killer one? 0.99

01:53:29.000 Somebody made one for rides. 0.99

01:53:32.000 It was Google 55 Corvette.

01:53:39.000 No, 55 Bel Air for rides.

01:53:44.000 For the TV show Rides.

01:53:46.000 They did it. 0.99

01:53:48.000 I'm trying to remember who the fuck designed it. 0.99

01:53:55.000 But there's a difference, right, between a car that you have for transportation and a car that's really just pure enjoyment and fun. 0.98

01:54:04.000 And that's what that is at this point.

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:07.000 You've got to have something that you know is always going to be reliable, is not going to break down, is always going to be there.

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:15.000 The fun of cars, I think, is in part is just sort of the quirks that each one brings.

01:54:20.000 And I keep going back to the same thing.

01:54:23.000 It's just the ability to work on a car as opposed to, I've got to take it in, I've got to have the diagnostics figured out.

01:54:30.000 I always said, if I had enough money, that's kind of where the money would go.

01:54:37.000 Is that a rides car?

01:54:38.000 God, it's pretty.

01:54:39.000 Look at that.

01:54:40.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:54:41.000 My God. 1.00

01:54:42.000 Fucking paint job on that. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Brilliant. 0.99

01:54:45.000 Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's a statement, right?

01:54:47.000 It's not just a car.

01:54:49.000 It's like a love letter to American automotive engineering from the 1950s.

01:54:56.000 There's just something about...

01:54:57.000 Look, that's optimism, right?

01:54:59.000 In that time, that shows you what sort of the mindset was, right?

01:55:04.000 We're launching off to the unknown, right?

01:55:07.000 We're going to the moon.

01:55:08.000 Whatever it is, there's this concept that says it's not just about utility, right?

01:55:14.000 There's something more there.

01:55:15.000 There's a belief in what we're moving towards.

01:55:19.000 Boy, that was deep.

01:55:20.000 I remember who had it now.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, that was deep.

01:55:23.000 Christopher Titus, the comic, he had one.

01:55:27.000 He had a Bel Air?

01:55:27.000 Yeah.

01:55:28.000 I think he has a 55 that he had made for rides.

01:55:32.000 My buddy Bud Brutzman's show.

01:55:34.000 Is that it?

01:55:35.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 That's it.

01:55:37.000 Look at that.

01:55:38.000 That one is super customized.

01:55:41.000 Yeah, that is.

01:55:41.000 Yeah.

01:55:42.000 That is some heavy work on that.

01:55:45.000 That's a Chip Foose car.

01:55:46.000 Chip Foose designed it.

01:55:47.000 Wow.

01:55:47.000 Yeah.

01:55:48.000 I mean, that is a goddamn... 0.99

01:55:50.000 I believe he sold it. 0.99

01:55:52.000 But that's a gorgeous car.

01:55:55.000 Gorgeous car.

01:55:56.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:55:58.000 My God.

01:56:00.000 Yeah, that's not a Kia.

01:56:03.000 Perfect 55. I'm not going out buying a Camry.

01:56:07.000 That's very customized.

01:56:09.000 There's a lot going on with that car that doesn't...

01:56:11.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:56:12.000 Oh my God.

01:56:14.000 That one right there.

01:56:14.000 Look at that.

01:56:15.000 Oh my God.

01:56:16.000 Yeah, the retro mod industry has really come on big.

01:56:20.000 You see a lot of this in the shows nowadays.

01:56:24.000 And sometimes it's tough.

01:56:25.000 I mean, if you're looking for something that's just straight up from the numbers and is legit, it's tough to find sometimes because this is kind of where people are going that direction.

01:56:35.000 Anyway, so yeah, we're going to go over to England.

01:56:38.000 I'll probably stop at the Home Depot outside of London, pick up some duct tape and some extra wire, then pick up the MGB, drive around, wait for it to break.

01:56:49.000 Do you have someone that can inspect the car for you over there to make sure that it's okay?

01:56:54.000 Yeah, I got folks over there.

01:56:56.000 I got an office over there.

01:56:58.000 And so, you know, I got some people that are happy to go up.

01:57:01.000 But I had talked to these guys for a while.

01:57:03.000 I've been looking for this particular car for a long time. 0.99

01:57:06.000 And you see a lot of crap, right? 0.97

01:57:08.000 But this literally had been owned by a Vicar and garage held. 0.99

01:57:12.000 Forever, right?

01:57:13.000 And there was just not a bit of rust on this thing.

01:57:17.000 All the lines, the seams are perfect.

01:57:19.000 It's really good.

01:57:21.000 But the problem has been trying to get over that.

01:57:23.000 I was going to go over towards the end of last year to pick it up.

01:57:25.000 I've delayed that trip several times.

01:57:27.000 It sounds like a 1% problem.

01:57:30.000 Anyway, so we'll go over one.

01:57:31.000 You're all vaccinated up, right?

01:57:33.000 I am, yeah.

01:57:34.000 Did you get both shots?

01:57:35.000 I got both shots.

01:57:36.000 I did the Moderna thing. 1.00

01:57:37.000 Did the second shot kick your ass? 1.00

01:57:39.000 Yeah, I did it two weeks ago. 1.00

01:57:40.000 And I've never had a reaction to anything, any sort of flu shot or vaccine.

01:57:47.000 And the agency used to pump us full of all sorts of stuff.

01:57:51.000 Yeah.

01:57:52.000 Take it.

01:57:53.000 It'll be fine.

01:57:54.000 Here, go downstairs. 0.96

01:57:55.000 They used to send us down to the Office of Medical Services downstairs to get some shots to go some shithole somewhere. 0.94

01:58:03.000 And you never questioned it. 0.80

01:58:04.000 You're always like, yeah, whatever.

01:58:06.000 But I never had a reaction to anything.

01:58:07.000 And the docs used to say, well, this might lay you out for a while, and it'd be fine.

01:58:11.000 So anyway, long story short, a couple weeks ago, I get the second shot of Moderna.

01:58:17.000 And I go in, and they said, well, stick around for, you know, 15, 20 minutes, see if you have a reaction or whatever.

01:58:22.000 See if you die.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, if you die, right?

01:58:23.000 You're going to, you know, fall into a seizure or whatever.

01:58:25.000 I didn't, so I went home, and I was like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.

01:58:29.000 Got together with some friends that night, because it's Idaho, so we can actually get together with outside of our bubble, and we drank.

01:58:37.000 And I woke up the next morning, I thought, yeah, I got a hangover, right, from the, you know, too much red wine or whatever.

01:58:44.000 And then the rest of that day, 24 hours.

01:58:47.000 My fever was spiking from like 103 down to 96, right?

01:58:51.000 I mean, I was going from 103 to 96 in a matter of an hour and a half or so.

01:58:56.000 It was very odd.

01:58:57.000 For 24 hours, it just laid me out.

01:59:00.000 And that was it then.

01:59:03.000 And after that, I was fine.

01:59:04.000 No problems.

01:59:06.000 But it's the same thing I've heard from just about everybody else I've talked to that have taken that second shot. 1.00

01:59:11.000 They say, yeah, about 24 hours, you just feel like shit. 0.99

01:59:14.000 What about younger folks? 0.99

01:59:16.000 You know any younger folks that got it?

01:59:19.000 I try not to socialize with younger folks.

01:59:24.000 I'm curious.

01:59:25.000 It makes me sound like Wilfred Brimley.

01:59:27.000 I was watching this video where Ben Stein was on the internet and he was talking about how bad he got wrecked by the second shot, but Ben Stein is like 80, right?

01:59:36.000 I mean, he was a writer, speechwriter for Nixon.

01:59:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:39.000 Bueller.

01:59:40.000 Bueller.

01:59:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:41.000 He's been around a long time.

01:59:44.000 I'm trying to think.

01:59:45.000 Actually, you know, that's not true.

01:59:46.000 I do know some folks in their, what, 40s?

01:59:49.000 Early 40s.

01:59:50.000 How'd they do?

01:59:50.000 They also said the same thing.

01:59:52.000 In fact, one of the guys, I got the shots because I was doing some work for a company that's considered to be a Whatever they call it, a critical infrastructure company.

01:59:59.000 And so they put me on their list of people that they wanted to have because they were given a certain number of vaccines.

02:00:05.000 So they said, you know, would you mind getting on the list?

02:00:08.000 And so I said, fine. 0.99

02:00:10.000 But I remember some of their folks, probably late 30s and early 40s, they all said the same thing, which is, yeah, the second shot knocked them on their ass. 0.99

02:00:19.000 It varied a little bit. 0.99

02:00:21.000 A couple of days, maybe three days.

02:00:22.000 They all had sort of the same thing.

02:00:24.000 Fever, chills, aches.

02:00:26.000 Flu symptoms, right?

02:00:27.000 Basically.

02:00:28.000 And again, I didn't think anything of it because I haven't had a reaction in the past. 0.82

02:00:34.000 But yeah, it was kind of shitty, but You know, I mean, look, I've got some, you know, I had a heart attack, right? 0.80

02:00:43.000 I've had cancer, right? 0.80

02:00:44.000 So I was happy to get it, right?

02:00:47.000 Because I don't want to, you know, you hear the stories about people, you know, get COVID and they've had other issues in the past.

02:00:53.000 Right.

02:00:54.000 Okay, fine.

02:00:55.000 I felt like, you know, and at my age, you know, whatever I am, 48. So I felt like I should, I'm going to get it.

02:01:03.000 And It wasn't that bad, right, in the scheme of things.

02:01:07.000 I don't want to sound like a whiner.

02:01:08.000 It really wasn't that bad. 0.99

02:01:09.000 It was 24 hours of feeling like shit, big deal. 0.99

02:01:11.000 And then the next day you were fine? 0.99

02:01:12.000 Yeah, yeah, I was fine.

02:01:14.000 Did you work out at all afterwards?

02:01:15.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, the next day.

02:01:17.000 How'd you feel?

02:01:17.000 Yeah, I felt fine.

02:01:18.000 I actually felt, I feel better if I work out.

02:01:20.000 In fact, I tried to work out that day when I felt like shit because you get, kind of get moving, right, and you feel, you know what it's, I mean, you know, and I went upstairs. 0.74

02:01:28.000 We got a home gym. 1.00

02:01:29.000 And I thought, fuck that. 1.00

02:01:31.000 I can't do it. 1.00

02:01:32.000 Because it's just the temperature changes were just really screwing with me.

02:01:35.000 But it is interesting.

02:01:39.000 I've been surprised by the number of people who don't want to take it.

02:01:44.000 Who are disinclined and included in that number are healthcare people who are saying, eh, I'm going to give it a pass.

02:01:51.000 So I think that surprised a lot of people.

02:01:54.000 The general public, and that doesn't send a good message to the general public when they see healthcare professionals saying, ah, I think I'm going to give this a miss.

02:02:01.000 And everybody's got to make that decision. 0.98

02:02:03.000 For me, it was like, fine, fuck it, I'll take it. 0.99

02:02:06.000 And again, maybe I'm too simplistic, but... 1.00

02:02:11.000 It's fine.

02:02:12.000 And my wife has got the first shot. 0.98

02:02:14.000 She's going to get the second shot at some point here, I think, the next couple of weeks.

02:02:17.000 So it'll be interesting to see because she's somewhat younger than I am.

02:02:20.000 And then there's that Johnson& Johnson one where you take one shot, but it's not as effective.

02:02:24.000 Yeah, and that's interesting because, again, I think people need to go in and it's just like with everything else.

02:02:29.000 Regardless of what you're reading, you need to figure out what the outlet is, right?

02:02:33.000 Because there is no doubt.

02:02:35.000 I keep going back to the same thing. 0.96

02:02:37.000 I sound like I'm beating a fucking dead horse, but The FSB, the Russian Intel Service, is engaged in a covert action campaign right now to denigrate the U.S. manufactured vaccines. 0.90

02:02:48.000 So I'm not saying there's not legit information out there that says, you know, you should think about it. 0.93

02:02:53.000 Maybe it's not right for you.

02:02:54.000 Fine.

02:02:55.000 But at least know what the hell you're reading, right?

02:02:57.000 And pay attention to what the sources of information are that you're getting.

02:03:00.000 And until that day when we all can figure out what the intent is immediately...

02:03:07.000 Yeah, I mean, pay attention to what you're doing. 0.99

02:03:09.000 Whether you're reading about foreign policy or domestic politics or the vaccine, just fucking pay attention. 0.93

02:03:15.000 What's weird is that they want you to take the vaccine even if you've already had COVID and you have the antibodies. 0.97

02:03:21.000 That's weird.

02:03:22.000 That doesn't make sense.

02:03:23.000 Like, Jamie's got strong antibodies.

02:03:25.000 Jamie caught COVID in October.

02:03:28.000 He was barely sick.

02:03:30.000 He didn't even think he had COVID. He thought he had a sinus infection.

02:03:33.000 Jamie, speak for yourself.

02:03:34.000 I'm still strong with antibodies now.

02:03:36.000 Strong.

02:03:37.000 Strong.

02:03:38.000 Like fucking Ronnie Coleman strong. 1.00

02:03:40.000 Like we looked at his antibodies. 1.00

02:03:44.000 Fucking thick. 1.00

02:03:45.000 Thick, fat line. 1.00

02:03:46.000 Today.

02:03:47.000 Today, I mean, here we are.

02:03:48.000 What is it?

02:03:49.000 March, what?

02:03:50.000 The 12th or something?

02:03:51.000 What is today?

02:03:51.000 Today's the 9th.

02:03:53.000 March 9th.

02:03:54.000 March 9th.

02:03:54.000 Over five months.

02:03:55.000 Five months, strong antibodies.

02:03:58.000 The kid's a freak.

02:03:59.000 Look at him!

02:04:01.000 It's a picture of health, right?

02:04:03.000 It's a specimen.

02:04:04.000 But I mean, why would anybody tell him that he has to take a vaccine?

02:04:08.000 That's a thing that keeps coming up.

02:04:10.000 Well, I'll be honest with you.

02:04:11.000 I didn't know that was the advice.

02:04:13.000 I thought they were saying, you don't need to get in line for the vaccine if you've already had it.

02:04:17.000 I didn't know that.

02:04:18.000 No, they're telling people, even if you've had the vaccine, or excuse me, if you've had COVID, you should still take the vaccine.

02:04:24.000 And I don't necessarily think I understand that.

02:04:27.000 Yeah, I would think they'd be pushing people who have tested positive, like Jamie, who now has superpowers, that they would push them to the back of the line, basically, and say, you know what, I'm not going to prioritize you for the vaccine, because that actually doesn't make sense.

02:04:41.000 Look, you think about the population in the U.S. that's had COVID already, and then you think about the numbers that have been vaccinated, and you've got to think, okay...

02:04:51.000 Is that line shifting?

02:04:52.000 That line where we thought a year ago, we get to this number, we're approaching herd immunity or whatever they call it.

02:04:59.000 You would think we're almost there, right?

02:05:02.000 And I don't know.

02:05:04.000 They think we are approaching it.

02:05:05.000 They think we're going to hit it somewhere around the end of April. 1.00

02:05:09.000 That Fauci guy needs to shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:05:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:11.000 As much as he's an expert, and God bless him, but he keeps saying that one of the things he said that made me angry, he said, we're never going to shake hands again. 0.99

02:05:19.000 We're never going to go back to shaking hands again.

02:05:21.000 I never stopped. 1.00

02:05:22.000 What the fuck are you saying? 1.00

02:05:23.000 Wash your hands. 1.00

02:05:25.000 Shaking your hands is not going to kill people.

02:05:27.000 Stop saying things like that.

02:05:29.000 He says too many things that he takes back and too many things that he said in the beginning that masks don't work.

02:05:35.000 And now he's saying, wear two masks.

02:05:36.000 Come on, man.

02:05:37.000 I think he's become a little enamored of the limelight.

02:05:42.000 I think he's...

02:05:44.000 And that's a natural human thing, I think.

02:05:47.000 But I think he...

02:05:47.000 I'm not saying that he's not...

02:05:50.000 He's a scientist, right?

02:05:52.000 Fine.

02:05:52.000 Great.

02:05:52.000 Okay.

02:05:53.000 Yo, believe science.

02:05:54.000 But I'm just saying, human condition is...

02:05:57.000 He's a human.

02:05:57.000 The attention has been not unattractive to him.

02:06:01.000 And so then some of the things he says...

02:06:04.000 And I think that's been part of the problem for the general population is the inconsistency of messaging. 0.90

02:06:08.000 And I think part of that is because people are starting to realize, like, look, medicine's not a fucking black and white issue, right? 0.92

02:06:13.000 It's not a science.

02:06:16.000 It is a science, but it's not consistent across all human beings.

02:06:19.000 Right.

02:06:19.000 But it's not—look, there's a lot of educated guesses that go on in medicine.

02:06:23.000 Yes.

02:06:24.000 I had a stress test.

02:06:26.000 I had a full workout for my heart.

02:06:30.000 And they said, whatever you're doing, keep doing.

02:06:33.000 You're in great shape.

02:06:34.000 God bless you.

02:06:35.000 You've eaten a lot of steaks.

02:06:36.000 I've eaten a lot of steaks.

02:06:37.000 Do you?

02:06:38.000 I like red meat.

02:06:39.000 I'm not going to lie.

02:06:40.000 I like red meat.

02:06:41.000 Me too.

02:06:42.000 Keep talking.

02:06:42.000 Let me take my pants off.

02:06:43.000 It's good protein, man.

02:06:45.000 Oh, yeah.

02:06:46.000 We're going to start talking about elk. 0.87

02:06:49.000 Elk porn. 0.97

02:06:52.000 But then a week later, I have a widow maker. 0.99

02:06:55.000 On an airplane, right?

02:06:56.000 Just drop on an airplane.

02:06:58.000 What do you mean?

02:06:58.000 I was going to Puerto Rico to give a speech at a conference.

02:07:03.000 And thank God Emily was with me.

02:07:06.000 We were flying.

02:07:06.000 They said, look, you're coming down to Puerto Rico.

02:07:08.000 It's a really nice place.

02:07:09.000 Stay for a few days afterwards. 0.99

02:07:10.000 So all I got to do is give a stupid talk for a little while and something boring. 0.99

02:07:14.000 And they said, hang out. 0.99

02:07:15.000 So Emily came with me.

02:07:17.000 We were going to have a really great time.

02:07:18.000 We passed through DFW through Dallas.

02:07:21.000 We got to the airport in Dallas, waited for the connection, got on the connection, going to Puerto Rico, get on the plane, sit there.

02:07:28.000 They wind up the engines, move off to the taxi.

02:07:31.000 They get to the runway.

02:07:33.000 They're literally pointing down the runway, winding up the engines.

02:07:35.000 And I look at him and I go, I'm not feeling that.

02:07:39.000 And that was the last thing I said.

02:07:41.000 I didn't even get to work good at it.

02:07:42.000 And I just collapsed, right?

02:07:45.000 I was done.

02:07:46.000 How long ago was this?

02:07:47.000 This was three years ago.

02:07:49.000 And a week before I had a stress test where they said, everything's good, man.

02:07:53.000 You look good.

02:07:55.000 And I got a family that's got a history of heart concerns, right?

02:07:58.000 So that's why I was in for the stress tests.

02:08:00.000 And if my wife hadn't been with me, I would have died on that plane because everyone would have thought, you know, how the engines wind up and you get ready and people fall asleep.

02:08:07.000 It's just, you know, it's a white noise.

02:08:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:11.000 But she jumped up and said, get this fucking plane back to the gate. 1.00

02:08:15.000 And one of the attendants said, would he like some orange juice? 0.99

02:08:19.000 Because, I mean, she probably thought I was diabetic or something, and I passed out.

02:08:22.000 And according to a couple of doctors on the plane who came to visit me afterwards, they said my wife was very funny. 0.98

02:08:27.000 She said, he doesn't want any fucking orange juice. 1.00

02:08:29.000 Get back to the fucking gate. 1.00

02:08:30.000 So we got to the gate. 0.99

02:08:31.000 Luckily, the Baylor Grapevine Institute, the Hart Institute, is like seven minutes away.

02:08:37.000 I couldn't have been luckier.

02:08:38.000 And so we get back to the gate.

02:08:40.000 They get me off the plane.

02:08:41.000 I wake up on a hospital bed staring up at the doctor who's like right there in my face, right?

02:08:48.000 And I come to and he says, he's very funny, but he says, you know how you can avoid this in the future? 0.98

02:08:52.000 And I'm like, where the fuck am I? Is this like, you know, have I gone to the afterlife and this is what it is? 0.72

02:08:58.000 I'm, you know, talking to a doctor.

02:08:59.000 And he says, have different parents.

02:09:02.000 And then he laughed, right?

02:09:03.000 That was the first thing I saw when I woke up. 1.00

02:09:05.000 What a dick! 1.00

02:09:05.000 No, he was funny. 1.00

02:09:05.000 He's a great guy. 1.00

02:09:06.000 Great doctor.

02:09:07.000 Thank God he was there.

02:09:08.000 But anyway, the point being is that what I learned from that episode and then the subsequent treatment and all the other things that go on with it, I should have known before because I'm old enough to be pragmatic, but a lot of medicine is educated guesses, right?

02:09:23.000 And yet the general population, right, has grown up to believe that medicine is science, is definite, is black and white.

02:09:31.000 Here's your answer.

02:09:32.000 And that's not the way it is.

02:09:33.000 And I think—so I think it's natural that with a pandemic like this, of course there's going to be—it's not misinformation, it's just— Inconsistent messaging because we're still figuring it out, right?

02:09:44.000 So that's not medicine's fault.

02:09:47.000 It's just the way it is.

02:09:48.000 But that creates this distrust among the public because they're anticipating that it's all going to be clear, right?

02:09:54.000 You're going to get the exact answer that you want and it's going to be right.

02:09:57.000 And it's not.

02:09:58.000 So we've had this period of time over this year where people kind of wig up and you get these different sides arguing about things. 0.93

02:10:05.000 We're just trying to figure the fuck out. 0.84

02:10:07.000 So do the smart thing.

02:10:08.000 Just try to be responsible, right?

02:10:10.000 But don't expect that, you know, medicine is going to give you the answers right off the bat and it's going to be correct. 0.98

02:10:16.000 Just like, don't fucking turn to the federal government.

02:10:18.000 I don't know where I'm going with this, but don't turn to the federal government for all your answers and, you know, don't buy an MGB and expect it to work. 0.99

02:10:27.000 Or a Range Rover expected to make it out of the woods.

02:10:29.000 Or a Range Rover, yeah.

02:10:30.000 So when you had this heart attack, what advice do they give you in terms of how do you keep from having one again?

02:10:36.000 Well, they put me on blood thinners.

02:10:38.000 That was a big part of it.

02:10:39.000 So did you have some sort of a clot or something?

02:10:41.000 I did.

02:10:42.000 My one side was entirely blocked.

02:10:44.000 Whoa.

02:10:45.000 Yeah.

02:10:45.000 And so that's what they call the widow maker.

02:10:47.000 It just happens.

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:49.000 Did they tell you to resume cardio or to have more cardio?

02:10:53.000 Yeah, I went into some sort of very slow...

02:10:57.000 It was very funny because they put me in this program where I show up and I'm...

02:11:03.000 Basically, it's an exercise program.

02:11:04.000 So I would go there four days a week, and everybody in there was at least 25 years older than I was.

02:11:11.000 I'm not young, but they were all in there, and so they'd kind of be walking around the track, and I was like, I'm hooked up, and I'm walking around with these guys.

02:11:18.000 I made some great friends, frankly.

02:11:20.000 Some of these guys were fantastic, and so you'd go there.

02:11:23.000 I actually was looking forward to it.

02:11:24.000 I'd go and have coffee with Fred, and Fred's 89 years old, and we'd have a great time talking.

02:11:31.000 But they'd be looking at me like I was 20 years old, which I kind of enjoyed, right?

02:11:35.000 Because I'm the youngest guy in there.

02:11:36.000 So it was a lot of, you know, build back up your level.

02:11:40.000 Now I work out just like I did before, right?

02:11:43.000 But the interesting thing is that they basically, now, when you go in and you say, because there was some talk about, well, let's do the other side, meaning let's get in there and clear it out, put a couple of stents on the other side and make sure you're all good.

02:11:55.000 But they're like, you know, you talk to one cardiologist and they say, maybe we should.

02:12:00.000 And the other said, maybe we shouldn't because there's a risk if we go in there.

02:12:03.000 So maybe we just wait.

02:12:04.000 And then their answer is always kind of like, well, if you start to feel anything, then, you know, we'll go in there and we'll intervene.

02:12:11.000 And you think, well, I didn't feel anything before.

02:12:14.000 Just came out of nowhere?

02:12:16.000 But again, being fairly pragmatic, I'm thinking, well, that's life, right? 0.98

02:12:20.000 There's no fucking guarantees. 0.97

02:12:21.000 I don't have a problem with that. 0.98

02:12:23.000 Did it change your perspective at all?

02:12:24.000 Like having a Widowmaker experience where you almost died? 1.00

02:12:27.000 Did you get out of that saying, not to be cliche, but every day is a gift, like that kind of shit? 1.00

02:12:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:12:35.000 I mean, look, I had a stretch of time with that, with the heart situation.

02:12:40.000 I also had colon cancer, right?

02:12:42.000 Because I did what a lot of guys do.

02:12:45.000 I thought I'd put off the colonoscopy, and I put it off.

02:12:49.000 You're supposed to start when you're 50, I think, is the general advice.

02:12:53.000 And I was thinking like, I have no interest in going in and getting a colonoscopy.

02:12:57.000 It just doesn't, it's not the sort of thing that, so I always found a reason to put it off.

02:13:00.000 I put it off for like five years.

02:13:02.000 And then finally, my wife said, no, you got to go and get it done for no reason.

02:13:08.000 It's just, I wasn't feeling bad or anything.

02:13:09.000 She says, you got to go get it done.

02:13:12.000 So I went in.

02:13:13.000 It turns out it's nothing, right? 0.98

02:13:14.000 If my one piece of advice to anybody as a dude, to other guys, is go get your fucking colonoscopy because you don't even know it's happening, you know, and it's not like some sort of prison situation. 0.99

02:13:26.000 You're fine, right? 0.99

02:13:28.000 You're gonna wake up, you have no idea it happened, but get it done.

02:13:30.000 When you turn 50, start doing that.

02:13:33.000 Why is it with guys?

02:13:34.000 Like, what is it about guys that get colon cancer?

02:13:37.000 I have no idea.

02:13:38.000 I mean, I probably should have researched it afterwards, but I remember going and getting it, and then I'm still doped up, right?

02:13:44.000 And so I kind of wake up, and I'm aware that Em's standing there talking to the doctor, who turned out to be a great doctor.

02:13:51.000 She's fantastic.

02:13:52.000 And they're talking.

02:13:54.000 But I don't know what they're talking about.

02:13:55.000 So then we go from there, and I go immediately to another part of the hospital to get some tests done, some scans and everything.

02:14:02.000 And then I get some more tests done, and then I go home, and I'm happy as a clam, right?

02:14:06.000 Because I'm still lubed up.

02:14:08.000 I've got whatever anesthesia they use, and I'm feeling pretty good.

02:14:12.000 I go upstairs.

02:14:13.000 I said, I want to take a nap.

02:14:14.000 I wake up from my nap a couple hours later, and I'm happy as a clam.

02:14:18.000 I'm going to go outside and do some work.

02:14:20.000 And Em says, you don't have no idea what's going on, do you?

02:14:23.000 And I said, no.

02:14:24.000 So it turns out I had cancer, and they had scheduled me already.

02:14:27.000 I had to go in and get a, you know, they had to take a section of your colon out, right?

02:14:30.000 It turns out we've got like six feet of, everybody's got like six feet of whatever colon, or again, I'm not a doctor.

02:14:36.000 But they had to take out a section of it, do the surgery, and I'm like, yeah, I had no idea until it was explained to me.

02:14:44.000 So you go in, you do all of that, and then you've got a period of time where you've got to go through some treatment and everything.

02:14:49.000 But again, you can sit and you can think about it, and you can go, oh my God, why?

02:14:55.000 I have no history of that in my family.

02:14:57.000 Just happened.

02:14:58.000 Just happened.

02:14:59.000 As they said, it was an outlier.

02:15:00.000 Do you take vitamins?

02:15:02.000 Do you go in the sauna?

02:15:04.000 Do you do anything to take care of yourself?

02:15:06.000 Yeah, I'm a healthy guy.

02:15:07.000 I mean, in a sense.

02:15:08.000 I mean, I watch, you know, okay, I eat red meat, but I watch my diet.

02:15:12.000 Red meat's not bad for you.

02:15:13.000 No, I exercise a lot.

02:15:16.000 You know, I've got an active lifestyle.

02:15:18.000 I do all those things, right?

02:15:19.000 There's a lot of people that try to make correlations between red meat being bad for you, but they're all from epidemiology studies where people are eating cheeseburgers and fries and shakes.

02:15:26.000 Exactly.

02:15:27.000 If you're just eating steak and vegetables, that's normal human food.

02:15:32.000 I mean, people have been eating meat since the beginning of people.

02:15:35.000 Yeah, I haven't changed.

02:15:36.000 I know it sounds weird, but after the heart attack, after the cancer, I haven't changed my diet.

02:15:41.000 Because I had a good diet before.

02:15:43.000 Did anybody try talking to being a vegan?

02:15:46.000 Nobody that knows me will.

02:15:49.000 I got some nieces who are very serious vegans, and they're like a religious zealot. 0.55

02:15:55.000 There's nobody more obnoxious than somebody who's adapted a religion. 1.00

02:15:59.000 They get zealous about it.

02:16:01.000 Vegans kind of can be the same way.

02:16:03.000 God bless them.

02:16:04.000 They want to do that, that's fine.

02:16:05.000 Don't get up on my face about it.

02:16:06.000 I got some family.

02:16:08.000 It's an interesting psychological thing.

02:16:12.000 They just want to show everybody that they're doing the right thing.

02:16:14.000 They really do believe in it.

02:16:17.000 It's weird. 1.00

02:16:17.000 I have a friend who's a vegan who's a real asshole. 1.00

02:16:20.000 He's such a shitty person to other people that aren't vegans. 1.00

02:16:25.000 Isn't this supposed to be all about kindness? 1.00

02:16:27.000 Meanwhile, you're just a terrible person to people.

02:16:31.000 But it's like a lot of other things, right? 0.60

02:16:33.000 It's like wearing a mask.

02:16:36.000 Fine.

02:16:36.000 I don't care about wearing a mask.

02:16:38.000 I'll wear a mask, but don't get up on my face about...

02:16:41.000 Well, there's things that happen where people use those opportunities as a moment for them to yell at folks.

02:16:48.000 It's a moment for them to be righteous and, you know...

02:16:52.000 Yeah, never underestimate the strength of the power of someone feeling righteous and smarter than anybody else.

02:16:58.000 And that's, again, but to answer your question about every day a gift and everything, you know what, I kind of felt that way before, right?

02:17:05.000 I've seen my family go on, I've seen siblings and good friends, and so I always felt like, you know, yeah, every day's a gift, but I don't think you need some sort of life-changing moment If your priorities are right to think that.

02:17:25.000 Well, some people, that life-changing moment, though, is just enough of a jolt to just let you know, like, this is real.

02:17:31.000 Because sometimes, we all know we're going to die, but it's not something you dwell on.

02:17:35.000 But when you almost die...

02:17:39.000 Don't you dwell on it more?

02:17:41.000 For a little while, I tell you what, the one reaction to the heart attack on the plane was getting on other planes, right?

02:17:46.000 And I got to travel a lot, you know, for my line of work.

02:17:49.000 And so there was that moment where I get on a plane because you feel like, okay, I got no choice. 0.81

02:17:54.000 If I'm sitting on a 13-hour flight, and I'm halfway through it, I'm fucked if something else happens, right? 0.86

02:18:01.000 So there was that side of it, but otherwise, no. 0.97

02:18:05.000 There was no come to Jesus moment where I thought, oh my God.

02:18:10.000 I will say this.

02:18:11.000 I don't dwell on death, but I do find myself...

02:18:19.000 This sounds really odd, but I find myself sometimes thinking, you know, I just want, like, just give me 25 more years or give me, you know, give me 30 more years or whatever.

02:18:27.000 What do you plan on doing in those 30 years?

02:18:29.000 Well, you know what?

02:18:30.000 Nothing.

02:18:30.000 I just want to see my kids grow up.

02:18:34.000 And you don't want to leave them behind and leave them sad.

02:18:36.000 Yeah, it's like, you know, What's that old line from Butch Cassidy, the Sundance Kid?

02:18:42.000 Butch said, you know, I always thought when I grow up I was going to be a hero.

02:18:46.000 I don't think that I'm going to be a hero when I grow up, right?

02:18:49.000 But I want to see my kids grow up.

02:18:51.000 That, to me, is the driver.

02:18:53.000 I got young kids, right?

02:18:54.000 I got young boys, right?

02:18:55.000 So I want to see them grow up.

02:18:56.000 You know what line I thought you were going to say?

02:18:58.000 What?

02:18:58.000 When they're about to jump off the cliff.

02:19:00.000 Yeah.

02:19:01.000 One of them goes, I can't swim.

02:19:02.000 He goes, doesn't matter. 0.66

02:19:03.000 The fall's probably going to kill you anyway. 1.00

02:19:04.000 Fall's going to kill you. 0.95

02:19:04.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:19:05.000 So many good lines out of that movie.

02:19:06.000 Yeah, I know.

02:19:07.000 That's a great movie.

02:19:07.000 Yeah.

02:19:08.000 Oh, my God.

02:19:09.000 Yeah.

02:19:09.000 I don't think anybody under 40 actually remembers that movie.

02:19:13.000 No.

02:19:14.000 It's a great movie.

02:19:14.000 Oh, God.

02:19:15.000 It was funny.

02:19:15.000 Yeah.

02:19:16.000 Yeah.

02:19:16.000 There's a lot of those movies, man, from those days.

02:19:20.000 People, they told stories different back then.

02:19:24.000 Yeah, there was more character development and fewer explosions.

02:19:28.000 It wasn't influenced by these studies, these focus groups that were trying to figure out what people tune into and what people don't tune into.

02:19:38.000 They were just trying to tell a story.

02:19:41.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 And you could develop the story in a slower fashion.

02:19:47.000 In part because, I go back to what we were talking about, the access to information.

02:19:51.000 It's created shorter attention spans.

02:19:54.000 It's too much.

02:19:55.000 And so people want that answer right away.

02:19:58.000 They want satisfaction right away.

02:20:00.000 I'm going to buy something, I'm going to buy it right away.

02:20:03.000 I want the story to get over with so I can move on to the next one.

02:20:06.000 I'm going to binge watch something.

02:20:08.000 So yeah, I think there was something to that.

02:20:10.000 There were a lot of bad movies made in the old days, but a lot of them did allow for more dialogue, more story development, more character development.

02:20:19.000 They appreciated and respected your intelligence enough that you could sit and watch something.

02:20:24.000 A couple years back, it's been a couple years, but a couple years back I watched Le Mans with Stephen Queen.

02:20:29.000 Yes.

02:20:29.000 In the beginning of the movie, there's no dialogue for a long-ass time.

02:20:33.000 For a long-ass time, it's just setting up this scenario.

02:20:37.000 That's a great movie.

02:20:38.000 That's a great movie.

02:20:39.000 Great movie.

02:20:40.000 Oh, God.

02:20:41.000 Great movie.

02:20:41.000 And you realize what those guys had to go through back then, driving those race cars in the 1960s?

02:20:47.000 Yeah.

02:20:48.000 Those things were death traps.

02:20:49.000 Yeah.

02:20:49.000 Death traps and a lot of physical work.

02:20:52.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:52.000 You were beat to hell by the time you finished.

02:20:54.000 Well, Le Mans is 24 hours.

02:20:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:20:56.000 You're driving for a full day.

02:20:57.000 I mean, that's part of what the race was about was your mental endurance.

02:21:01.000 Yeah.

02:21:01.000 That's a good result.

02:21:02.000 If all this does is get people to watch Le Mans or Butch Cassidy, that's great.

02:21:07.000 That's a great result.

02:21:08.000 And pay attention to China.

02:21:08.000 Yeah, pay attention to China.

02:21:12.000 Going back to...

02:21:13.000 I did want to touch on the Syria thing because I think it is important.

02:21:17.000 What is going on over there?

02:21:18.000 Well, I think it's interesting for a couple of reasons, but one is just...

02:21:22.000 I found interesting was the...

02:21:26.000 I think we're good to go.

02:21:45.000 We struck a facility that is essentially a hub, a center for transportation of fighters, foreign fighters and money and hardware weapons that the Iranians have set up. 0.65

02:22:01.000 The Iranians have basically created a transportation system from Tehran to all the way to Beirut, right, in their effort to try to control the region. 0.99

02:22:09.000 And so you had this eastern Syria outpost with Iranian-backed militia, and they were engaged in occasional attacks against U.S. and coalition forces, right?

02:22:20.000 So they were lobbing missiles, and there were a couple of incidents where we lost contractors and some coalition members.

02:22:28.000 And so essentially what happened was the Biden administration, I think correctly so, said, okay, look, we've got to do something.

02:22:36.000 We've got to send a message.

02:22:37.000 And so they did.

02:22:37.000 They struck a facility there run by some Iranian-backed militia.

02:22:45.000 But the news that it was because of the attacks that they were committing on U.S. forces in Iraq, that's the interesting part because it caught people by surprise and going, what the fuck? 0.98

02:22:55.000 We still got people in Iraq? 1.00

02:22:57.000 Because we've gone well beyond that time when – support our troops.

02:23:02.000 Wounded warrior was always the ads up there and everybody thought about it.

02:23:07.000 But it's been, I think about how many years it's been, right?

02:23:09.000 And so I think we've forgotten that we still have, we don't have many, but we still have troops over there.

02:23:13.000 And so it raised an interesting question, which is an important one to talk about, I think, which is, you know, why are we still over there?

02:23:20.000 Or what are we doing over there?

02:23:22.000 Or what's our endgame?

02:23:23.000 What's our reason for being, right?

02:23:24.000 And, you know, look, 19 years.

02:23:27.000 Twenty years since we've been in Afghanistan, as an example, and what's the point? 0.92

02:23:33.000 And so I think that's a legitimate conversation to have, regardless of where you fall on the answer.

02:23:38.000 I think it's a good question to have, and we should be talking about it.

02:23:42.000 But we don't because we get wrapped up in domestic politics or we get wrapped up in COVID or whatever it is.

02:23:47.000 So occasionally something like that happens that causes people to shift their focus outside of their bubble and outside the US and think about what the hell else is going on in the world.

02:23:56.000 And that's, from my perspective anyway, that's a good thing, right?

02:23:59.000 Because there is a lot of happening over there.

02:24:01.000 But it's just shocking how little coverage there is.

02:24:03.000 Yeah.

02:24:04.000 And how much coverage there is about Ted Cruz wanting to go to Cancun.

02:24:07.000 Right?

02:24:08.000 If you look at the difference, that was in the front center of the media.

02:24:13.000 That was the thing they were talking about the most.

02:24:15.000 And they know that.

02:24:17.000 Look, most journalism now is on social media, in a sense.

02:24:22.000 So it's all about getting clicks on your story, which is why headlines are so sensational.

02:24:26.000 Oftentimes don't line up with the actual story then.

02:24:29.000 Because all you want to do is you want to get people clicking on it or talking about it.

02:24:32.000 And that's the way that the journalism gets driven forward.

02:24:35.000 So, yeah, it's no surprise that Ted Kuhn and – or Ted Kuhn.

02:24:39.000 Ted Kuhn.

02:24:40.000 Ted Kuhn.

02:24:40.000 Ted Kuhn in Cancun.

02:24:42.000 I was combining Cancun and Ted Kuhn.

02:24:44.000 I came up with Ted Kuhn.

02:24:47.000 I'm not saying not to go with it.

02:24:50.000 So that's why that gets the attention.

02:24:52.000 And airstrikes in Syria, you're not going to get the clicks on that, right?

02:24:57.000 People aren't going to go, oh, that's interesting.

02:24:59.000 It's outrageous to see Ted Cruz in the middle of a crisis that's happening in Texas, his state.

02:25:04.000 He's a senator.

02:25:05.000 He decides to leave the state and go to a resort in Mexico.

02:25:09.000 Yeah.

02:25:09.000 That's going to get more clicks and likes.

02:25:12.000 You son of a bitch! 1.00

02:25:13.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:25:14.000 So it's from, again, it makes sense why certain stories drive a narrative, right?

02:25:19.000 Because, again, because people have sort of a very short attention span, limited time in their day to gather information.

02:25:27.000 They're going to go for the salacious thing.

02:25:29.000 And so, yeah, yeah, Cruz and Cancun, why not?

02:25:32.000 Syria? 0.58

02:25:33.000 Eh.

02:25:34.000 It's too complicated.

02:25:35.000 It's too complicated, and it's also so far away.

02:25:37.000 It's hard for people to wrap their heads around it.

02:25:40.000 Yeah.

02:25:40.000 But it is, I mean, it will be very interesting to see where this administration goes.

02:25:43.000 I mean, again, God bless them.

02:25:45.000 I hope they do well.

02:25:45.000 We should have hoped that the Trump administration did well.

02:25:48.000 We should, you know.

02:25:49.000 You should always hope they do well because if they do well, we do well.

02:25:52.000 Exactly.

02:25:52.000 The problem is when people don't want them to do well.

02:25:54.000 Like, I was hearing people saying that they wanted the economy to tank so it would get people to realize that Trump's a fraud. 0.99

02:26:00.000 Like, why the fuck would you want the economy to tank? 1.00

02:26:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:04.000 It's like, even if you hate Trump, you'd want him to do well because then the country does well.

02:26:10.000 It seems like a simple equation, but...

02:26:13.000 You don't know the guy.

02:26:14.000 It's not like you talk to him every day. 1.00

02:26:15.000 Oh, this dick again. 1.00

02:26:17.000 Just stop watching CNN. You won't be so angry. 1.00

02:26:20.000 Well, the problem is access to instantaneous information.

02:26:24.000 That's the problem.

02:26:25.000 Isn't it weird how they're taking out Cuomo now?

02:26:28.000 Oh, New York.

02:26:29.000 Although with New York...

02:26:31.000 You're probably one more sexual harassment allegation away from opening up New York, you know, getting the restaurants open.

02:26:39.000 And so I think they're probably hoping one more woman will show up and say, yeah, you know, he... 0.99

02:26:44.000 Yeah, but de Blasio doesn't want anything to be opened up. 1.00

02:26:47.000 That fucking moron. 1.00

02:26:48.000 Yeah, although it's interesting to see the dynamic with Cuomo. 1.00

02:26:54.000 And de Blasio, they've never seen eye-to-eye.

02:26:55.000 They've always been kind of going at each other.

02:26:57.000 And de Blasio sees this as a moment.

02:27:00.000 And I think he felt like he was probably done.

02:27:03.000 Nobody really wants him as mayor in New York, the people that are in New York.

02:27:07.000 And so he probably sees this as a possible entrance ramp to the governor's slot.

02:27:12.000 He might be able to make his...

02:27:13.000 Really?

02:27:14.000 Everybody hates him.

02:27:15.000 Everybody hates him, but look, you know...

02:27:17.000 Do you see that video that he put out?

02:27:18.000 Stranger things have happened in politics.

02:27:20.000 I don't know about that.

02:27:22.000 That's pretty strange.

02:27:23.000 Even liberals don't like de Blasio.

02:27:25.000 Did you see that video that he put out about bringing the arts back to New York?

02:27:29.000 Yes.

02:27:29.000 Do you see that?

02:27:30.000 With the bad dancing, the out-of-sync music, and the uncoordinated dancing?

02:27:34.000 That was the weirdest thing ever.

02:27:36.000 That was a part of a Coen Brothers movie.

02:27:38.000 That's what that was like.

02:27:40.000 That was like the Big Lebowski. 0.81

02:27:41.000 You're watching this and you're like, what am I seeing? 1.00

02:27:44.000 I just watched Fuck, that movie's good. 1.00

02:27:46.000 It's so fucking good. 1.00

02:27:48.000 Such a good movie, man. 0.98

02:27:50.000 You know what I watched the other night?

02:27:50.000 A lot of my friends!

02:27:52.000 Face down in the muck!

02:27:55.000 Died!

02:27:56.000 Chinaman. 0.59

02:27:57.000 I don't think you're supposed to say Chinaman.

02:27:59.000 There's so many good things in that movie.

02:28:01.000 Great movie.

02:28:02.000 You know what I watched the other night that's a great movie that I kind of forgot how good it was?

02:28:05.000 Napoleon Dynamite.

02:28:06.000 Oh.

02:28:07.000 My God, that was good.

02:28:08.000 Filmed out in Idaho.

02:28:08.000 My God, that was good.

02:28:10.000 My 10-year-old did not understand it.

02:28:11.000 Really?

02:28:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:13.000 She just, there's certain aspects of humor. 1.00

02:28:15.000 She's like, he's dumb. 0.99

02:28:16.000 I'm like, that's the point. 1.00

02:28:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:17.000 The point is that it's all dumb. 1.00

02:28:18.000 That's a brilliant movie. 0.98

02:28:19.000 My kids, again, we're out in Idaho.

02:28:21.000 My kids have all watched it.

02:28:22.000 They love that movie. 1.00

02:28:23.000 Fuck, that movie's funny. 1.00

02:28:25.000 Isn't it in Idaho? 1.00

02:28:26.000 It is, yeah.

02:28:27.000 It's a couple hours outside of Boise.

02:28:29.000 God, it's funny.

02:28:30.000 My youngest boy, Muggsy, can do the entire dance.

02:28:35.000 Jamiroquai, I think, did the music for that.

02:28:38.000 And Can't Heat or whatever that song was.

02:28:40.000 And he can do that entire dance.

02:28:43.000 He did it for a talent show at school one time, which was absolutely brilliant.

02:28:46.000 The uncle who Uncle Rico.

02:28:49.000 Yeah, Uncle Rico.

02:28:50.000 Uncle Rico wants to go back in time to when he was playing football in high school.

02:28:53.000 I could throw that football over that mountain. 0.99

02:28:56.000 That fucking movie's so funny! 1.00

02:28:58.000 And then a dojo. 1.00

02:28:59.000 Oh my god.

02:28:59.000 A dojo.

02:29:00.000 Bow to your sensei!

02:29:02.000 It's just brilliant.

02:29:03.000 It's a funny movie, man.

02:29:04.000 It's a funny movie.

02:29:05.000 God, that was funny.

02:29:06.000 Yeah, there he is.

02:29:07.000 Yeah.

02:29:08.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 LaFonda.

02:29:09.000 Remember LaFonda comes out?

02:29:12.000 She turns out to be real.

02:29:13.000 Don't worry.

02:29:14.000 Don't worry, Demolian.

02:29:15.000 You'll find your soulmate one day.

02:29:17.000 And everyone's thinking that LaFonda's fake.

02:29:19.000 Turns out she's real and they really do love each other.

02:29:22.000 It's a great movie, man.

02:29:23.000 I caught you a tasty bass.

02:29:26.000 No, you're right.

02:29:28.000 Again, there's certain movies.

02:29:30.000 I had my boys watch Old School the other day.

02:29:33.000 That's a great one, too.

02:29:34.000 Yeah.

02:29:35.000 There's some movies I think the boys at a certain age should always watch.

02:29:38.000 I sound like I'm sexist, but you know what I'm going to say.

02:29:42.000 But I got boys, so they should watch these movies.

02:29:45.000 But yeah, Old School's great.

02:29:47.000 Step Brothers.

02:29:48.000 Isn't it funny that it's sexist if you say there's movies that you think a boy should watch, but it's not sexist if you say there's movies that I think girls should watch.

02:29:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:29:58.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:29:59.000 We got International Women's Day.

02:30:00.000 We just had International Women's Day.

02:30:01.000 Yeah, because men are all scared.

02:30:02.000 Yeah, we don't have men's day.

02:30:03.000 We're scared of being called out for being sexist.

02:30:05.000 Yeah.

02:30:06.000 We have to be careful.

02:30:07.000 You have to be careful about everything, right?

02:30:10.000 In fact, that's what Emily told me.

02:30:12.000 She dropped me off here.

02:30:13.000 Be careful.

02:30:13.000 You're talking to Rogan.

02:30:14.000 It's probably high.

02:30:15.000 No, no, no.

02:30:16.000 She loves your show, but she's worried about me. 1.00

02:30:19.000 She's worried about me saying something stupid. 1.00

02:30:22.000 Have you taken heat from shit you said on here in the past? 1.00

02:30:26.000 Yes. 1.00

02:30:26.000 Yes, I have. 1.00

02:30:30.000 And a lot of it.

02:30:31.000 But that's fine.

02:30:32.000 What's the big one?

02:30:33.000 Well, you know what? 1.00

02:30:34.000 The big one's in sort of a general category where you say that like the far right, you know, they're full of shit and the far left's full of shit. 1.00

02:30:41.000 And then people get upset because what I get mostly is, well, if you're in the middle, you don't stand for anything. 1.00

02:30:47.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

02:30:48.000 But that's what you hear mostly, is because you say something about how fucked up the – like the mask burning. 1.00

02:30:53.000 Like, that's fucked up, right? 1.00

02:30:55.000 Or you say something stupid about – like the far left not seeing the irony of wanting to ban books. 1.00

02:31:01.000 And you're thinking, okay. 1.00

02:31:04.000 Fine.

02:31:05.000 But then you get called out because you exist somewhere in the center where you're trying to see that there's smart ideas on both sides, and yet people are so angry that they don't want that, right?

02:31:16.000 And it's like that idea that we were talking about before where… The people who are shining during the pandemic, who love the suffering in a sense, right, who really don't want us to return to a normal because they've actually found this to be a good time for them.

02:31:32.000 That sounds wrong.

02:31:33.000 I know that sounds wrong.

02:31:34.000 You know, a lot of people, but there are some people who seem to suffer well, right?

02:31:40.000 You know, to some degree, they're the same people who grieve well, right?

02:31:43.000 You know, you get those people who, they didn't know the person who died, but, you know, my God, they're grieving more than anybody else, including immediate family.

02:31:50.000 And so, I don't know.

02:31:55.000 I probably don't want to disappear. 0.97

02:31:57.000 I'll say something stupid, and then I'll get caught out again. 1.00

02:32:00.000 What do you think of saying that was maybe stupid? 1.00

02:32:03.000 Let's talk about this Capitol Hill shit. 1.00

02:32:05.000 What did you think about that? 0.99

02:32:06.000 Because we haven't talked about that yet.

02:32:07.000 That's happened since the last time I saw you.

02:32:09.000 You know what? 0.99

02:32:10.000 That's a good example of getting called out on shit. 0.99

02:32:11.000 I did a show on the 6th. 1.00

02:32:15.000 It was a news segment where I was talking and I said that President Trump's reaction that day was pathetic. 0.98

02:32:25.000 That's what I said. 0.96

02:32:27.000 And my point was, is that a lot of what he did over his four years, it was just self-inflicted wounds.

02:32:32.000 It was unnecessary, right?

02:32:34.000 And a lot of the noise was unnecessary.

02:32:36.000 It was because of his personality and the way that he responded, right?

02:32:39.000 Now, I know his base loved that because they felt like, well, that's real, right?

02:32:44.000 And he's really speaking truth to power.

02:32:45.000 He's not part of the swamp and all that.

02:32:47.000 But my point was, look, you can be smart enough as the president of the United States to come out and immediately say, regardless of what's going on, just say... 1.00

02:32:57.000 Back the fuck off. 1.00

02:32:58.000 This is wrong. 1.00

02:33:00.000 Don't do it. 0.98

02:33:01.000 You can protest, but not violently, and get the fuck out of the Capitol building. 0.95

02:33:06.000 And he didn't do that. 0.94

02:33:08.000 It was sort of the same thing that he always does, which is, it's not a strong statement, and it's a self-inflicted wound. 0.98

02:33:13.000 So I said that, and man did I take some fucking heat. 0.98

02:33:16.000 From who? 0.99

02:33:17.000 From the right side. 1.00

02:33:18.000 From the right side, who's saying, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm full of shit. 0.99

02:33:21.000 But what people on the right don't think that that's wise? 0.99

02:33:25.000 That's what I understand.

02:33:26.000 Well, it's the people on the farthest spectrum, which again, I go back to the same thing.

02:33:30.000 Now they have to understand that they were wrong.

02:33:33.000 You would think so.

02:33:35.000 But I think a lot of people don't.

02:33:36.000 A lot of people still think...

02:33:40.000 Look, was there fraud in the election?

02:33:41.000 Yes, I believe.

02:33:42.000 But there's fraud in every election, right?

02:33:43.000 It's the nature of the beast, right?

02:33:46.000 What I said was like, do you think that the fraud in the election was zero?

02:33:50.000 No one thinks that.

02:33:51.000 No.

02:33:52.000 How much do you think the fraud was?

02:33:54.000 Do you think the fraud was enough to shift the election one way or the other?

02:33:57.000 I don't.

02:33:58.000 I don't think so either.

02:33:59.000 But I don't know.

02:34:00.000 But I think that if we allow to normalize certain aspects of the electoral system, I think what you're doing – look, I work in fraud all the time, right?

02:34:10.000 That's what my guys do in my business.

02:34:13.000 That's all.

02:34:14.000 They work in fraud.

02:34:15.000 If you allow conditions to create the potential for fraud, then people are going to fill that gap, and they're going to rush in, and they're going to engage in fraud.

02:34:24.000 So this is the part that I can't figure out.

02:34:27.000 Everybody should want, right or left, to allow the ability, the easy access to vote for every U.S. citizen.

02:34:37.000 But we should also want To not have people who aren't citizens or Whatever. 0.98

02:34:44.000 I mean, just to not allow fraud into the system.

02:34:48.000 And so I have a hard time understanding how people can't come together and say, yeah, we want integrity in our electoral system.

02:34:55.000 Do you think any other country allows for a sort of lax, you know, program that says, yeah, we're not going to check and we're just going to – we're so keen to show how righteous we are that everybody has easy access to voting that we're not going to check and make sure we're a citizen.

02:35:11.000 I guarantee you every other country makes sure that the people voting are citizens of that country, if they're given the right to vote, right?

02:35:17.000 And we don't do that?

02:35:18.000 Well, what I'm saying is there's a potential if we just expand the ability to vote, right, in our desire— To non-citizens. 0.99

02:35:27.000 Right.

02:35:28.000 Well, no, I'm not even saying non-citizens.

02:35:29.000 What I'm saying is the way that we allow people to vote.

02:35:32.000 If we don't have integrity in ensuring that the vote is coming from a legitimate citizen, right, And the right and the left should want that.

02:35:40.000 You want people to be able to vote. 0.99

02:35:43.000 Of course you want fucking people to vote. 0.99

02:35:44.000 It's like believe science. 1.00

02:35:45.000 Of course you believe science.

02:35:47.000 But you want everybody to be able to vote, and you want them to be able to do it easily.

02:35:51.000 But you also want to make sure that you're not opening it up in your desire to allow people to vote so that you don't have the ability to check and make sure that there's no fraud.

02:36:01.000 So that doesn't seem to be a heavy lift.

02:36:04.000 Allow easy access to voting for every US citizen, but ensure that the integrity of the system allows you to make sure that you just have US citizens voting for your country's elections.

02:36:15.000 That's what every other country does.

02:36:18.000 And again, it goes back to that thing about sometimes we apologize for it.

02:36:22.000 It's a righteous idea that, you know, well...

02:36:25.000 I don't know.

02:36:27.000 Let me ask you this.

02:36:28.000 Instead of examining all the problems, what could be done to make voting more secure?

02:36:35.000 Is it possible to vote online?

02:36:37.000 I said, why is it that we can bank online, but we can't vote online?

02:36:41.000 Yeah.

02:36:42.000 Well, I think if your system – part of the problem, I think, is if your system isn't clearly explainable and transparent, if people can't look at it and go, I see – and the reason why, like, in-person voting, right, the day of the election was for so long, was – nobody questioned it – was because that's simple.

02:37:00.000 That's transparent.

02:37:01.000 You can look at it and you say, yeah, I get it.

02:37:03.000 That's what happens.

02:37:04.000 It's – It's election day.

02:37:06.000 Everybody go to the voting polls and vote.

02:37:09.000 And so if you're doing it online or there's just unsolicited mail-in ballots, then People can look at that and legitimately go, well, I don't understand it, and so therefore I don't know that it's credible.

02:37:21.000 Do you think the mail-in ballots leave more of an opportunity for fraud?

02:37:26.000 There's a potential.

02:37:27.000 Do I think – I mean, again, I go back to the same thing.

02:37:30.000 Do I think there was enough in this – no.

02:37:31.000 There wasn't so much fraud.

02:37:33.000 But I think that – Do you think there's fraud on both sides?

02:37:35.000 Do you think there's fraud on the Republican side and the Democrat side?

02:37:38.000 Oh, sure.

02:37:39.000 So it probably cancels itself out?

02:37:41.000 Well, I think it's – there's a – You know, again, you go back to the human condition.

02:37:47.000 I think it's – if there's an opportunity for fraud, I don't think, you know, Republicans are going to be less inclined than Democrats or Democrats are less inclined than Republicans.

02:37:53.000 I just think it's the way it works.

02:37:54.000 But it's – I think you have to have a transparent, clearly explainable, you know – System that you can look at and go, yes, I get it.

02:38:02.000 That's why.

02:38:03.000 And so I'm a big fan of in-person voting.

02:38:05.000 And unsolicited mail-in ballots?

02:38:09.000 No.

02:38:09.000 In the old days, we had absentee ballots.

02:38:11.000 And look, we changed the rules to try to accommodate for the pandemic.

02:38:15.000 And that made sense, right?

02:38:19.000 There has to be an ability for both sides to look at the system and say it's credible because it's clearly explainable and transparent.

02:38:27.000 And I just don't think that's where we're at right now.

02:38:29.000 That's what created this confusion and distrust.

02:38:32.000 That's a very dangerous thing.

02:38:33.000 And also then we had outside elements trying to, you know, drop in there with their covert action campaigns to cede that inability to believe in the system.

02:38:43.000 So, yeah, we better get this nailed down before the next election.

02:38:46.000 Otherwise, we're gonna have the same problems.

02:38:48.000 Yeah, I'm worried that Trump comes back in 2024, and I'm worried that these people that were at the Capitol building get more organized and more emboldened.

02:38:57.000 The only difference is what's really kind of hilarious is these dummies were also anti-maskers, so they all showed up. 1.00

02:39:05.000 I mean, it was like a perfect storm of stupid. 1.00

02:39:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:08.000 It really was.

02:39:08.000 It was a perfect storm of super...

02:39:09.000 Because if you think about it, the facial recognition abilities that we have now...

02:39:12.000 All they had to do is wear masks.

02:39:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:14.000 You fucking idiots. 1.00

02:39:14.000 You could wear a mask and you'd be totally justified and nobody would ever catch you. 1.00

02:39:18.000 Perfect opportunity to wear a mask and not be identified.

02:39:21.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

02:39:21.000 And these fucking idiots are putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk and taking photos. 1.00

02:39:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:39:26.000 No, that was... 1.00

02:39:28.000 But then they've got to do a hot wash, and we still haven't gotten the results of that yet in terms of the – what was the breakdown in all of this?

02:39:34.000 Why was it so difficult to just simply secure the Capitol building?

02:39:39.000 Well, look at the difference between when the Black Lives Matter protests were there and they had hundreds of security guards surrounding the Capitol building versus this, which is a pittance.

02:39:50.000 Right.

02:39:51.000 But I think that's an easy thing to do, right?

02:39:54.000 To walk that back and say, okay, let's do an investigation.

02:39:57.000 But the problem is with DC is, you know, they seem incapable of doing an investigation into anything, right?

02:40:04.000 It's where good investigations go to die.

02:40:07.000 Yet, these sort of things happen all the time.

02:40:09.000 You do a hot wash of some scenario or something that happened, you can do that.

02:40:12.000 But in D.C., because of the dysfunctional nature of that place, I don't think we're going to get any sort of easy answers out of this.

02:40:19.000 But it should be relatively simple.

02:40:21.000 I know some of the people that were in the Sergeant of Arms office there in Capitol Building and Capitol Police guys.

02:40:28.000 It shouldn't be difficult to say, what's the timeline?

02:40:31.000 Who talked about security in the days leading up to this?

02:40:34.000 Who requested additional security?

02:40:36.000 Why was it denied?

02:40:37.000 All these things need to be looked at and then explained to the general public in a clear and nonpartisan way.

02:40:45.000 Do I think that's going to happen?

02:40:46.000 No, because it's Washington, D.C. Do you think that the attack on Capitol Hill in many ways is like what happens when the social media chickens come to roost?

02:40:57.000 That this divide that we've had on social media that is accentuated by algorithms, it does...

02:41:06.000 It emphasizes these echo chambers where people believe the election was stolen.

02:41:11.000 They only communicate with other people.

02:41:12.000 And you're a patriot if you go there.

02:41:14.000 We're going to get together patriots.

02:41:16.000 They were calling themselves patriots, violating the law, right?

02:41:19.000 Right.

02:41:20.000 Violating Capitol Hill, storming the gates, killing a cop, and you're calling yourself a patriot.

02:41:25.000 Look, I think the vast majority of those people, once they found themselves inside the Capitol building, were probably like, oh, wow.

02:41:32.000 Exactly.

02:41:33.000 You can see it.

02:41:34.000 But you had some of those people who knew exactly what they were doing.

02:41:40.000 And so they should be punished, of course.

02:41:42.000 But I think that, yes, I think social media played a big role in it.

02:41:46.000 I think Trump himself...

02:41:49.000 I know people were saying, well, he said he called for peaceful protest.

02:41:52.000 Well, yes, but he could have done it in a better way.

02:41:54.000 He could have been more demanding.

02:41:56.000 I don't think he anticipated that they were going to do that.

02:41:57.000 I think he thought they were going to go there and chant and scream.

02:42:01.000 Of course.

02:42:01.000 It has always happened, and that would be the end of it.

02:42:04.000 Right.

02:42:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:42:05.000 Do I think Trump intended or thought that they were going to storm the Capitol?

02:42:09.000 Of course not.

02:42:09.000 No, but he did want to incite them to cheer and chant and let people know on his behalf.

02:42:17.000 That tape that got leaked of him calling up the governor of Georgia and telling them to change the election results and be a patriot, like that kind of shit. 0.99

02:42:26.000 That's disconcerting. 0.99

02:42:28.000 Everything's a problem with his messaging and his self-inflicted wounds.

02:42:32.000 And look, we talked back in, what, November, right?

02:42:35.000 I think was the last time.

02:42:37.000 And I think at that time, I said that he's losing the election and The next important thing was going to be the Georgia Senate runs.

02:42:51.000 If you're a Republican, you should be pissed off that he wasn't smart enough to understand that after the election, He should have turned his attention to Georgia and simply said, all you've got to do now is you've got to focus on Georgia.

02:43:08.000 You've got to get out there and vote.

02:43:09.000 You've got to do everything possible.

02:43:10.000 He couldn't do that.

02:43:11.000 He couldn't do it.

02:43:12.000 Now look, that doesn't mean I don't like some of the policies of the previous administration.

02:43:17.000 You can have disagreements with the person who's in the White House and still like the policies, the attitude towards China and the way that we dealt with China, some of the other things that we were doing.

02:43:29.000 That's great.

02:43:31.000 We don't live in that world now where you can separate and kind of, you know, look and analyze policies from people, right? 0.99

02:43:38.000 Now it's like, if you say, look, there were self-inflicted wounds, people go, oh, you're fucked up, you're not a Republican, you hate the policy. 0.99

02:43:47.000 I didn't know. 0.99

02:43:49.000 I'm just saying, look, he clearly, through his actions, caused the Republicans to lose Georgia.

02:43:55.000 He could have, from that bully pulpit of his, he could have pushed, and we probably would have won both of those elections in Georgia.

02:44:04.000 But he didn't do that.

02:44:06.000 How could you have done that?

02:44:07.000 What could you have done differently?

02:44:08.000 Simply by shutting up about election fraud and realizing that this is – the Democrats, one thing that they do, right?

02:44:16.000 And again, I'm a centrist here, but one of the things that I always thought Democrats do well is they focus on the end result, right?

02:44:23.000 On the game, right?

02:44:24.000 On the game plan.

02:44:25.000 And sometimes Republicans get lost in, like, principle and theory and the purity of it all, right?

02:44:34.000 And it's like with, I don't know.

02:44:38.000 So I think that what he could have done was just immediately pivot after the national election, the presidential election, and said, look, we're all disappointed, right?

02:44:49.000 This is not the result that we wanted.

02:44:51.000 But now we have an important task ahead of us.

02:44:54.000 And that is the two Senate seats in Georgia.

02:44:56.000 If you like the policies that we've been promoting, and you like the deregulation, or you like the China policy, or whatever it is, focus your attention in Georgia.

02:45:06.000 But do you think that would have made a difference?

02:45:08.000 Because the people that are on the fence, do you think there's that many people that are on the fence that would have voted Republican but wound up voting Democratic?

02:45:15.000 Because he...

02:45:17.000 I think...

02:45:18.000 I don't think they wound up voting Democratic.

02:45:19.000 I think they just stayed home.

02:45:20.000 I think what they did was they sowed this... 1.00

02:45:23.000 Belief in the lack of integrity of the election system, and they probably thought, ah, fuck it! 1.00

02:45:28.000 You know, they stole the first one, they're gonna steal this one, so I'm not going anywhere. 0.99

02:45:31.000 You know, I'm gonna protest, or whatever it might be.

02:45:34.000 So I think that's where the mistake was.

02:45:36.000 But, you know, again, look, I, you know, what the hell?

02:45:39.000 I hope the Biden administration does a great job.

02:45:43.000 I hope they...

02:45:43.000 Do you think he's gonna make it four years?

02:45:45.000 I hope he does.

02:45:47.000 Yeah, of course he does.

02:45:47.000 Of course I hope he does.

02:45:48.000 Yeah, of course he does.

02:45:49.000 You think he's going to make it four years?

02:45:52.000 You know, what am I? If you had a bet.

02:45:54.000 If I had a bet.

02:45:55.000 For your last hundred bucks.

02:45:56.000 We have a bet.

02:45:57.000 What's our bet?

02:45:58.000 We have a bet that I bet that Trump won't come back and run again.

02:46:02.000 Oh, he's coming back.

02:46:03.000 Oh, I know.

02:46:04.000 How much was our bet?

02:46:05.000 What was it, Jamie?

02:46:06.000 A thousand bucks?

02:46:07.000 A thousand bucks?

02:46:08.000 I can't wait to spend that money.

02:46:10.000 I think it was $1,000.

02:46:11.000 I'm just reminding you because I still think I'm going to win.

02:46:14.000 I'm spending it right now.

02:46:14.000 He's coming back.

02:46:15.000 What are you going to spend it on?

02:46:16.000 Oh, good stuff.

02:46:18.000 All kinds of good stuff.

02:46:19.000 Good stuff.

02:46:20.000 I'm going to buy an eagle sculpture.

02:46:23.000 A big screaming eagle sculpture.

02:46:26.000 He's coming back.

02:46:26.000 I don't know.

02:46:27.000 I don't think so.

02:46:28.000 What did you think about when they attached in the COVID relief bill 180 days for the CIA to release all the information they have about UFOs?

02:46:39.000 Did you see that?

02:46:40.000 That's one of the things I love about this.

02:46:42.000 We can go from there to there.

02:46:43.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 Oh, my God.

02:46:44.000 It's fantastic.

02:46:45.000 Yeah, we can't be taken seriously that way.

02:46:46.000 Yeah.

02:46:47.000 No, no.

02:46:47.000 But I will say this.

02:46:48.000 I tell people this all the time.

02:46:49.000 They say, why is it so entertaining?

02:46:51.000 I say, because he's curious about everything.

02:46:52.000 He's genuinely curious about everything.

02:46:54.000 And that's a good question.

02:46:56.000 Look, I'm happy that when it comes to UFOs, there's a lot of things that the agency needs to keep off the radar for sources and methods, right?

02:47:04.000 Yeah.

02:47:04.000 It's a need to know issue.

02:47:06.000 And frankly, again, going back to what's in, you know, the U.S. best interest.

02:47:12.000 For that day when China decides to release all of their intel operations and information, then great. 0.94

02:47:18.000 Maybe it's time for us to be transparent, but that's not the way the world works.

02:47:21.000 Do you think that's what it is?

02:47:22.000 A lot of it is just secret programs, defense vehicles?

02:47:27.000 Well, no, what I'm saying is, oh, in terms of the UFO thing?

02:47:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:47:31.000 Yeah, a great portion of it is.

02:47:33.000 How much?

02:47:35.000 50%?

02:47:36.000 Oh, now the...

02:47:38.000 47% actually, but don't tell anybody I said that.

02:47:42.000 That's well known.

02:47:44.000 Inside the community.

02:47:46.000 No, look, I think it's good because I think the...

02:47:49.000 Look, it's for the same reason that Pentagon released the information about AATIP, about the Advanced Aeronautical Threat Identification Program.

02:47:55.000 I think it's actually good.

02:47:58.000 There's no reason why we shouldn't, unless...

02:48:02.000 You are talking about developmental aircraft as an example, which is important because when you're talking about hypersonic aircraft or missiles or whatever it is, there's some stuff that needs to be kept off the radar screen because there is a tremendous competition going on right now,

02:48:18.000 particularly for things like control of space.

02:48:21.000 That's going to be a huge issue.

02:48:23.000 Because the weaponization of space, for a long time people were thinking, ah, space, it's a great exploration and it's good for mankind.

02:48:29.000 Frankly, There is a race to figure out how to weaponize space.

02:48:34.000 And so as an example of what we're talking about, the idea of just saying, oh, we're going to open the books as a country and reveal all our information about developmental aircraft, as an example, that's the wrong move, right?

02:48:46.000 Because...

02:48:47.000 But do you think there are any credible stories, whether it's from Commander David Fravor, who saw that Tic Tac vehicle off the coast of San Diego, or whatever video?

02:49:01.000 Yeah.

02:49:01.000 If I had to point to one, I would say Fravor.

02:49:03.000 Yeah.

02:49:04.000 I would say without a doubt.

02:49:05.000 I'd say the one that if I were somebody who's looking for some redemption because I've been beating the drum about UFOs and nobody's ever believed me and they always roll their eyes, I would say the one thing that would give them comfort would be the incident with Commander Fravor and that sighting.

02:49:23.000 That's one that I have yet to see an explanation for that makes any sense.

02:49:29.000 Well, not only that, they tracked it.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:49:33.000 Yeah, and then also it blocked their radar systems, which is an act of war.

02:49:39.000 They actively jammed radar systems.

02:49:41.000 Yeah.

02:49:43.000 It's not simple as, like, they saw something, they didn't know what it was.

02:49:46.000 Like, they tracked this thing going from, I think it was close to 80,000 feet above sea level to one in one second.

02:49:53.000 Yeah.

02:49:53.000 No signs of propulsion.

02:49:54.000 Yeah.

02:49:55.000 No heat signatures.

02:49:56.000 Nothing, right?

02:49:57.000 And it was just, it was a...

02:49:59.000 Yeah, it's one of those things you look at and you go, okay, and look, the AATIP program made sense in the sense that, you know, if a nation is out there, if the Chinese are out there, or the Russians, whomever, and they're developing propulsion capability that we don't know about, then yeah, we should have a mechanism within the Pentagon,

02:50:18.000 within the intel community to understand what that is.

02:50:20.000 Let's research it, let's investigate, right?

02:50:22.000 And so, oftentimes, you know, they come to a logical conclusion.

02:50:26.000 The Fravor incident, I have yet to see any information that explains it, right?

02:50:32.000 So, that to me, and also, as you pointed out, the way that it was tracked, the verification of it from very credible, you know, individuals, that...

02:50:44.000 To me is like the prime example.

02:50:47.000 And they have video footage of this thing, too.

02:50:48.000 And then on top of that, the Nimitz...

02:50:50.000 Yeah, they have gun camera footage.

02:50:50.000 It's incredible.

02:50:51.000 Yeah, and the Nimitz saying that these things are fairly common, that they're seeing them every couple of weeks. 0.97

02:50:56.000 They were seeing them, and you know, when Fravor's like, hey guys, what the fuck is this? 0.95

02:51:00.000 And they're like, yeah, you see it? 0.98

02:51:01.000 Yeah.

02:51:01.000 We've been seeing these things.

02:51:02.000 And there's no upside for somebody like that, a very well-respected aviator with great experience.

02:51:08.000 There's no upside for these guys to come forward.

02:51:11.000 In fact, there's pressure to not because it's not necessarily good for your career to come in and say, I think I saw a UFO. What do you think is going on?

02:51:20.000 Uh, I don't know.

02:51:21.000 We've talked about that before.

02:51:23.000 I'm not, you know.

02:51:24.000 I'm trying to get the right answer out of you.

02:51:25.000 I keep asking until you forget what you said before.

02:51:27.000 Yeah, I know, right? 1.00

02:51:28.000 You forgot about the damn bed. 1.00

02:51:30.000 I shouldn't have opened my mouth. 1.00

02:51:33.000 I know.

02:51:33.000 People will go back to that, though.

02:51:35.000 They would have called me out.

02:51:35.000 If Trump comes back and runs, they would have said, oh, you owe him a thousand bucks.

02:51:39.000 I can't wait to get that fucking screaming eagle in here that I'm going to buy. 0.99

02:51:44.000 I'll buy it for you with the money, and I'll put a little plaque on there to say where it came from. 0.99

02:51:48.000 Big bronze eagle.

02:51:49.000 I know, big...

02:51:50.000 I've got one.

02:51:52.000 I gave a speech one time for a Veterans Day event, and they gave me this big eagle.

02:51:59.000 I keep it in my office now.

02:52:00.000 It's fantastic.

02:52:01.000 I keep it in the background when I do news segments from my office, and it's perched over my shoulder.

02:52:06.000 You've got to have one in here.

02:52:08.000 Anyway, I don't know.

02:52:11.000 You think about it at all?

02:52:12.000 Yeah, I do.

02:52:14.000 And like I said, with Black Files Declassified coming up, I just got another plug-in.

02:52:19.000 We're going to do an episode...

02:52:20.000 That's on the Discovery Channel, isn't it?

02:52:21.000 It is on Discovery Channel.

02:52:22.000 And you know what?

02:52:22.000 You can see the entire first season on Discovery+.

02:52:25.000 So I... I think it's foolish to discount these things because there's so much we don't know, right?

02:52:35.000 And the idea of thinking that somehow we're the only credible life forms out there I think is ridiculous.

02:52:41.000 So I think it's a high possibility that Yes, I do think that.

02:52:51.000 But at the same time, then I also question sort of the way that...

02:52:56.000 That's great.

02:52:57.000 If some alien life force with amazing technology that we can't even fathom right now comes to visit us...

02:53:03.000 What the hell are they doing?

02:53:04.000 Are they just sort of like watching us just for the entertainment value?

02:53:08.000 So I'm always puzzled by that part, the idea that...

02:53:12.000 Well, they probably want to observe, but they don't want to interfere.

02:53:16.000 If they're super advanced, they probably realize there's a process.

02:53:20.000 That intelligent life goes through, where there's stages of their evolutionary development in terms of use of technology, understanding of each other, mitigation of war and conflict, and then ultimately entrance into the Galactic Federation.

02:53:41.000 I'm on board then.

02:53:42.000 I'm good.

02:53:43.000 If I had to guess, that's what I would think.

02:53:45.000 I hope we get good uniforms.

02:53:47.000 Space Force.

02:53:48.000 Space Force.

02:53:48.000 Like that one over there.

02:53:50.000 The silver one.

02:53:51.000 Right?

02:53:52.000 I didn't see that.

02:53:52.000 We wear that when we get high and do shows sometimes.

02:53:55.000 That's fantastic.

02:53:55.000 It looks like something out of Better Call Saul.

02:53:57.000 It's from Amazon.com.

02:53:59.000 I got it from Amazon.

02:54:01.000 I've been watching that again.

02:54:02.000 You watch Better Call Saul?

02:54:03.000 I've never seen it.

02:54:04.000 Oh, you should watch it.

02:54:05.000 I'm watching it again the second time around.

02:54:07.000 It's actually really good.

02:54:09.000 Yeah, Breaking Bad.

02:54:11.000 It's actually very entertaining.

02:54:12.000 It's well-written.

02:54:14.000 But yeah, Saul's...

02:54:16.000 It's not as good as that Black Fowl show, though, right? 1.00

02:54:18.000 It's not as good as the Black Fowl show. 0.50

02:54:19.000 The first season's on Discovery+.

02:54:21.000 And we're going to start filming in mid-April.

02:54:24.000 Traveling around the country, doing all the...

02:54:26.000 And you are going to cover UFOs.

02:54:28.000 We are covering UFOs.

02:54:29.000 Anything else salacious we could add before we wrap this up?

02:54:33.000 I think that's about it actually we're getting I shouldn't say that this is interesting we're getting into invested recently in the cannabis business yeah I know I'm I'm starting to become a believer I'm not a believer in Bitcoin yet but I'm a believer in the cannabis business well it's a fucking giant business it's like not being a believer in trees yeah They're out there.

02:54:58.000 It's like the Lorax.

02:55:04.000 We're hitting it from a different direction.

02:55:06.000 I've always thought...

02:55:08.000 I've done some work, a couple of shows on the problems that are around cannabis in terms of the cash economy, the inability of banking systems to get involved and all of that.

02:55:19.000 We're going in on a business that does the...

02:55:24.000 Is worried about the tax and banking side of things.

02:55:27.000 So it's sort of the intersection of the trade with commerce and pulling it into sort of the legitimate world of commerce.

02:55:35.000 Well, that's one of the hopes of the Biden administration that they'll pass some sort of federal law on marijuana, that they'll change it and make it legal, which I think they should.

02:55:44.000 They should.

02:55:45.000 I think it's time at this point.

02:55:47.000 Look, the horses left the barn, regardless of where anybody thinks about weed.

02:55:50.000 Yeah, you don't have to smoke it.

02:55:52.000 No, no.

02:55:53.000 But in terms of legitimizing it and getting it out of sort of the cash economy, I think...

02:55:59.000 So anyway, this business, it's backed by Snoop Dogg, actually.

02:56:05.000 Oh my goodness.

02:56:06.000 Yeah, Casa Verde.

02:56:08.000 Perfect.

02:56:09.000 So it's a business that is working on that portion of it.

02:56:14.000 So it's interesting.

02:56:17.000 It's not like a grower.

02:56:17.000 It's not the production side.

02:56:20.000 And I think in that regard, it makes more sense.

02:56:23.000 But it's sort of an initial foray.

02:56:28.000 For a guy that came out of the agency, that's an interesting thing.

02:56:30.000 It is.

02:56:31.000 Congratulations to you.

02:56:32.000 Thank you very much.

02:56:33.000 Open them eyes.

02:56:34.000 Look around.

02:56:35.000 Maybe take a little hit yourself.

02:56:39.000 Gummies.

02:56:40.000 I was playing golf the other day with a guy who said he had a big bag of gummies.

02:56:45.000 Oh, that's a dangerous person.

02:56:46.000 I know, but he said, you want some gummies?

02:56:48.000 And I was like, I'm playing golf, dude.

02:56:50.000 I'm just out here playing golf.

02:56:51.000 And he goes, it's going to improve your game.

02:56:54.000 Improves pool.

02:56:55.000 Definitely improves pool.

02:56:56.000 No.

02:56:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:56:58.000 Smoking pot improves pool tremendously.

02:56:59.000 There's no way.

02:57:00.000 100%.

02:57:01.000 I play better.

02:57:01.000 Do you smoke or just edibles?

02:57:03.000 I do both.

02:57:03.000 Yeah.

02:57:04.000 But when I smoke pot, well, edibles too.

02:57:07.000 My game gets about a ball better.

02:57:09.000 Really?

02:57:09.000 Yeah, a ball better means...

02:57:12.000 Like, um, if you were, uh, playing someone and they, you're like playing nine ball, someone would give you the eight ball if they were a little bit better than you.

02:57:19.000 Yeah.

02:57:20.000 I, I'm like one ball better.

02:57:21.000 Okay.

02:57:22.000 When I, when I smoke pot, I, I have a better feel.

02:57:25.000 That's interesting.

02:57:26.000 Yeah.

02:57:27.000 A lot of, a lot of pool players, like high level pool players, like Earl Strickland, one of the best pool players of all time.

02:57:32.000 Right.

02:57:32.000 Smokes a lot of weed.

02:57:33.000 Really?

02:57:34.000 Or they, or at least used to.

02:57:35.000 Is it sort of like the halfway, like what do they call it, uh, What do they call it?

02:57:40.000 Delta 8 or something like that? 0.99

02:57:41.000 Yeah, what is that shit, Jamie? 0.99

02:57:42.000 You were telling me about the stuff that's legal, right? 0.99

02:57:45.000 What is that stuff?

02:57:46.000 I haven't gotten to buy it yet.

02:57:47.000 What's that?

02:57:48.000 It's legal, though, right?

02:57:49.000 There's some weird...

02:57:49.000 What is it?

02:57:50.000 It's like a variation or...

02:57:53.000 I think it's called Delta 8 THC. Delta 9 is what gets everybody really high.

02:57:57.000 Right, but this is like a more mild...

02:58:00.000 A little more mild.

02:58:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:58:01.000 And I think it's legal because it's derived from hemp.

02:58:05.000 And I think, which is not a controlled substance in most states.

02:58:08.000 Well, me and my friend Tommy Jr., whenever we play, when I see him in New York, he plays real good.

02:58:12.000 And whenever we play, we get barbecued first, and then we play.

02:58:16.000 And I'm telling you, you play better.

02:58:17.000 It's better.

02:58:18.000 Yeah, you play better.

02:58:18.000 You really do.

02:58:19.000 We play a lot of pool at our house.

02:58:20.000 Do you?

02:58:21.000 Yeah, and the boys are very good at it.

02:58:23.000 Well, if I lose that thousand bucks to you, I know how I'm getting it back.

02:58:27.000 I'll take you up on that, actually.

02:58:29.000 Oh, okay.

02:58:29.000 You come up and hunt some elk up in Idaho, and we'll play some pool.

02:58:32.000 Oh, you'll play some pool for Monday?

02:58:33.000 Yeah.

02:58:34.000 You better bring a lot of money. 1.00

02:58:36.000 You better bring that damn eagle, because I'm going to take that eagle from you. 0.99

02:58:40.000 All right, my friend. 0.99

02:58:41.000 Thank you, man.

02:58:42.000 Well, always good to see you.

02:58:43.000 Again, your show is coming out.

02:58:45.000 It's out on Discovery+.

02:58:46.000 You can get it right now.

02:58:48.000 And the new season starts...

02:58:49.000 Yeah, it'll start later in the year.

02:58:51.000 We're starting to film in mid-April.

02:58:53.000 All right.

02:58:53.000 Well, always fun.

02:58:54.000 Always fun.

02:58:54.000 Thanks, Mike.

02:58:55.000 Goodbye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 10, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1617 - Mike Baker

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