The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1618 - Mat Fraser

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00:00:13.000 Welcome.

00:00:14.000 Thanks for coming, man.

00:00:15.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:15.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:17.000 I've watched you compete.

00:00:17.000 I watched that documentary, too.

00:00:20.000 What is the documentary called?

00:00:21.000 I forget the name of it.

00:00:22.000 The Fittest?

00:00:22.000 Yes.

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Dude, that is crazy.

00:00:26.000 The physical strain that you guys are...

00:00:29.000 What happened to the Vaughn?

00:00:30.000 Sorry.

00:00:32.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:33.000 We're back. 0.99

00:00:34.000 The physical strain that you guys put your body through is fucking insane. 0.99

00:00:38.000 And until you watch, like, you guys compete and do all the shit, like, rucking, like, running with the weight vest on and... 0.99

00:00:46.000 Everything, yeah. 0.99

00:00:47.000 It's insane.

00:00:48.000 Yeah, yeah, the games...

00:00:49.000 So, like, the games are, like, the big competition, and it's, like...

00:00:53.000 It's a wild show because sometimes it's five days, sometimes it's three days, and we'll have usually between 12 and 15 events over those days.

00:01:03.000 Do they let you know in advance what you're going to have to do?

00:01:06.000 Some.

00:01:06.000 We might find out an event, sometimes a week or two ahead, but then we'll have others where we're literally finding out the event as we go, as we're competing.

00:01:17.000 So we don't even know what we're doing on the competition floor.

00:01:20.000 They'll be...

00:01:20.000 They'll be like, alright, start lifting that weight.

00:01:22.000 We'll tell you when to stop.

00:01:23.000 When you hit your number of reps.

00:01:25.000 Stuff like that.

00:01:27.000 It's interesting to train for.

00:01:30.000 Because you don't know if you're training for a one rep max or a hundred.

00:01:33.000 You don't know if you're training for a 40 meter dash or a marathon.

00:01:38.000 It's...

00:01:39.000 Yeah, it keeps it interesting.

00:01:40.000 We've had events that are like 20 seconds long and then a couple years ago we had to row a marathon on the stationary Concept 2 rowers.

00:01:49.000 So like 42,000 meters.

00:01:51.000 So was that 26.2 miles?

00:01:54.000 Rowing?

00:01:54.000 Yeah, 42,000 something meters.

00:01:57.000 How long does that take?

00:01:58.000 I think the average time was about three hours.

00:02:00.000 I think a couple people were like three and a half hours.

00:02:02.000 Yeah, because you can't row as fast as you can run, right?

00:02:06.000 Can you?

00:02:07.000 I mean, I would prefer to row a marathon than run one.

00:02:11.000 Really?

00:02:11.000 Just because it's easier on the joints.

00:02:12.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:02:13.000 Like, your ass goes numb just from sitting on the seat. 1.00

00:02:18.000 But yeah, it was just easy on the joints. 0.99

00:02:20.000 They did it because we tested it and after you run a marathon, you can't walk for a couple days.

00:02:27.000 Your body's just trashed.

00:02:28.000 With rowing a marathon, you're sore, but you're good to go the next day.

00:02:33.000 Doesn't it really, though, depend on the person and what kind of condition you're in? 0.99

00:02:37.000 Because my friend Cam Haynes, that motherfucker runs a marathon every day. 0.98

00:02:41.000 Yeah, I think if you're conditioned for it and that's all you're doing. 0.99

00:02:44.000 But he lifts weights too.

00:02:48.000 Yeah, I've met Cam.

00:02:49.000 I met him a couple years ago.

00:02:50.000 He's got problems.

00:02:51.000 Does he? 1.00

00:02:52.000 Yeah, he's crazy. 1.00

00:02:53.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:02:54.000 He's legit crazy, like David Goggins crazy. 0.90

00:02:56.000 There's a few people that I know that I'm like, what are you doing to yourself? 0.97

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:02:59.000 You know?

00:03:00.000 Yeah, I'll watch Cam, and yeah, he runs a marathon every day.

00:03:03.000 It's like, why?

00:03:05.000 What are you doing?

00:03:06.000 That seems terrible. 0.58

00:03:07.000 He likes those ridiculous ultra races, like the Moab 240s and stuff like that.

00:03:12.000 Yeah, I got a buddy that does all those 200-mile, couple days long.

00:03:17.000 Yep.

00:03:17.000 And it's like, alright, I get that that's your thing.

00:03:20.000 I don't get it, but more power to you.

00:03:23.000 They're just testing me for Cam.

00:03:25.000 He's just testing his mind.

00:03:27.000 He wants to find out when it breaks.

00:03:29.000 He can't break it.

00:03:31.000 And every day he strengthens it.

00:03:33.000 So every day he's running massive amounts of miles.

00:03:35.000 He'll run like 19 miles in the morning.

00:03:38.000 He'll run like 6 miles in the afternoon.

00:03:40.000 I wonder if he's ever played with other challenges instead of just running.

00:03:45.000 Because I know if I'm practicing the same thing over and over, you adapt to it, you get better at it, you get more comfortable with it.

00:03:51.000 And it's like when those curveballs get thrown at you of something that you're not used to.

00:03:56.000 And I mean, that's basically...

00:03:57.000 That's CrossFit, right?

00:03:58.000 That's what our training is.

00:03:59.000 We're trying to think of different things...

00:04:03.000 That can be the test for us and figure out like, alright, if this comes up, how do we deal with it?

00:04:09.000 How did you get involved?

00:04:10.000 Did you just walk into a class one day and get excited about it?

00:04:15.000 Kind of funny.

00:04:15.000 So I have a background in Olympic weightlifting.

00:04:17.000 Did that for 10 years.

00:04:19.000 Lived at the Olympic Training Center.

00:04:20.000 Like, my goal was to go to the Olympics for weightlifting.

00:04:24.000 And then that didn't pan out and, like, started focusing on school.

00:04:29.000 And then I just kind of, I guess, just gained the freshman 15. So I was like, alright, I either need to start working out again or change my diet.

00:04:37.000 So I was like, oh, I'll start working out.

00:04:41.000 And, you know, trying to find an Olympic weightlifting gym is like a needle in a haystack.

00:04:49.000 But CrossFits are everywhere.

00:04:50.000 And so I just Googled CrossFit near me because they use all the same equipment, like the barbells and bumpers.

00:04:56.000 And so I just showed up, introduced myself.

00:04:59.000 I was like, hey, I don't want to do your CrossFit thing.

00:05:01.000 I'll be in the back room just doing cleaning jerks and squats.

00:05:05.000 And just kept doing that, kind of showing up on an irregular basis.

00:05:10.000 And then one of the girls from the gym who was a competitor was just kind of like, Bribing me into workouts every once in a while. 1.00

00:05:17.000 Like, oh, you might be good at this one.

00:05:18.000 Give this one a try.

00:05:19.000 Give this one a try.

00:05:20.000 And the owner of the gym actually signed me up for my first competition because he said, okay, I think you have potential in this.

00:05:27.000 You should give this a try.

00:05:29.000 And so we made a deal that he signed me up and paid my entry fee.

00:05:33.000 And then if I won any money, I had to buy a pair of CrossFit shoes.

00:05:37.000 What are CrossFit shoes?

00:05:39.000 At the time, it was the Reeboks, the minimalist shoes.

00:05:44.000 I was working out in Air Max 90s.

00:05:46.000 And so he's like, anything's better than that.

00:05:48.000 And what year was this?

00:05:49.000 This would be back in 2012. So anyways, I won the competition, got a couple hundred bucks, and was like, Yo, this is kind of cool, like, just pocket money for a college kid.

00:06:01.000 Like, are there more competitions like this?

00:06:02.000 And so they showed me where to find these competitions, and I just kind of started driving around the Northeast, like, all of New England.

00:06:08.000 And if there was prize money at a competition, I was signing up.

00:06:12.000 And so I basically looked at it like a part-time job of, like, while I'm in school full-time and broke...

00:06:17.000 I can make some pocket money.

00:06:19.000 And yeah, just kind of...

00:06:21.000 I was like, alright, if I want to keep winning these competitions, I need to work on my weaknesses, get better, and then just kind of fell in love with it.

00:06:27.000 And it just ratcheted up Bit by bit until I'm at the World Championships and I'm like, oh shit, how did I get here? 0.73

00:06:35.000 And then you won over and over and over again, which is crazy. 0.72

00:06:40.000 It's a weird start, man, to something that you not just excelled at.

00:06:44.000 I mean, I think you're the winningest guy ever, right?

00:06:46.000 Yeah, I've been on the podium seven times and I've won it the last five years.

00:06:52.000 That's bananas.

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

00:06:53.000 For someone who started off as a lark.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, I'm not blind to it.

00:06:57.000 I'll be sitting with my fiance like...

00:07:00.000 Just when these cool opportunities get plopped in front of me, I'm like, how did I end up here?

00:07:06.000 This wasn't supposed to be my life.

00:07:07.000 I was a mechanical engineer.

00:07:10.000 I thought my sports career was over with Olympic weightlifting.

00:07:13.000 I broke my back.

00:07:14.000 It was a whole...

00:07:15.000 What did you do to your back?

00:07:17.000 I broke my L5 in two spots.

00:07:19.000 Oh.

00:07:20.000 Yeah.

00:07:20.000 How?

00:07:22.000 Just training too heavy too often.

00:07:25.000 It just fractured the actual bone?

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:27.000 Yeah, like the little wings off the side.

00:07:29.000 Oh! 0.60

00:07:30.000 And it was on two separate occasions, too.

00:07:32.000 Oh, no.

00:07:32.000 They were like a week or two apart from each other.

00:07:35.000 So, wait.

00:07:36.000 Hold on.

00:07:36.000 You broke one and then you kept lifting?

00:07:38.000 Yeah.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, I didn't really have a choice.

00:07:40.000 So I was living at the Olympic Training Center, and, like, there was a lot of pressure on the program to, like, produce.

00:07:46.000 And I was on the Junior World Team.

00:07:48.000 I was leaving for Romania in a couple weeks to compete.

00:07:51.000 And, yeah, I was just...

00:07:53.000 I don't know.

00:07:54.000 I wasn't training as smart as I should have been.

00:07:58.000 And so the first one where I was doing, like, a clean pull.

00:08:01.000 So just, like, a deadlift with a big explosion at the top.

00:08:04.000 And, like, loud pop on one side.

00:08:07.000 I dropped the bar and, like...

00:08:09.000 Have you ever seen those heat packs that have the little clicky thing in them?

00:08:12.000 It was that's what it felt like when it like clicked and then it's just like the inflammation just spreading and and so you know go to my room lay down for a couple days and then you know it was it was oh I knew something was wrong like I've never had an injury like that you know I couldn't move Did you get an x-ray?

00:08:34.000 Did you get an MRI? No, because it was like...

00:08:36.000 I was leaving for the competition in like two weeks, so it was like too late to call the alternate to replace me.

00:08:43.000 So do they know that you're this injured?

00:08:46.000 I mean, I told them, like, hey... 1.00

00:08:49.000 And they're like, suck it up, pussy? 1.00

00:08:50.000 I'm injured, and I was told, like, hey, there's a difference between pain and injury. 1.00

00:08:54.000 And I was like...

00:08:57.000 Okay, I'll get back to lifting.

00:08:59.000 And so then a couple of days goes by and I'm being super cautious, like basically stripped all the weight out of my training.

00:09:06.000 I'm just moving.

00:09:07.000 And then what was it?

00:09:09.000 It was heavy back squat and like load up and you're going for like a new one rep max, like a week before you get on the airplane.

00:09:17.000 And yeah, I hit the bottom of the hole.

00:09:20.000 Left side goes.

00:09:21.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:09:22.000 And so anyways, I went to the competition.

00:09:24.000 Did terribly.

00:09:26.000 The coach was like, hey, what's your goal for this competition?

00:09:30.000 I was like, I just don't want to bomb out.

00:09:31.000 I just want to make one lift.

00:09:33.000 One lift in each.

00:09:34.000 And he's like, okay, we'll make sure that happens. 0.97

00:09:37.000 I only made one snatch, one clean and jerk.

00:09:40.000 And then it was when I got back, I put my foot down. 0.99

00:09:42.000 I was like, hey, I'm not lifting shit until I get an x-ray. 0.94

00:09:46.000 And they x-rayed it, and they're like, oh yeah, there's a break right here, right here. 0.97

00:09:50.000 Did the coach feel bad?

00:09:53.000 I mean, I feel for him now that I have a little more life experience.

00:09:58.000 At the time, I hated the guy.

00:10:01.000 But now that I know the situation he was in, he was under pressure for keeping his job to like, hey, you need to produce athletes.

00:10:07.000 Like none of the American athletes are doing well on the world scene.

00:10:12.000 But it's like USA is one of very few countries that competes clean.

00:10:16.000 And so it's like, how do you compete?

00:10:18.000 So he had this outside pressure to produce an athlete, whether it was the right way or wrong way. 0.93

00:10:25.000 Isn't that fucked up, that statement that you just said, but I know it to be true, when you said the USA is one of the few countries that competes clean? 1.00

00:10:32.000 It's actually true, and so strange. 0.99

00:10:35.000 I remember at the Junior Worlds that I competed that, the winning guy in my weight class snatched more than what I clean and jerked.

00:10:44.000 This 18-year-old kid, and he power-snatched 155 kilos.

00:10:49.000 It was crazy.

00:10:50.000 Where's it from?

00:10:51.000 I want to say he was...

00:10:54.000 Like, somewhere over in Europe.

00:10:56.000 And I'm pretty sure it was, like, the whole podium got popped.

00:10:59.000 It's kind of like, I remember, like, the 2008 Olympics.

00:11:01.000 Like, the 94 kilo class.

00:11:03.000 They started testing down.

00:11:04.000 And it's, like, currently it's, like, ninth place guy has the bronze medal.

00:11:09.000 Because they just kept testing down, down, down.

00:11:11.000 So did they pop him right after the competition?

00:11:13.000 Or did they pop him in the future?

00:11:14.000 I think it's, like, years later.

00:11:15.000 Because it's, like, at the time with the drug, they don't know how to test for.

00:11:18.000 Right.

00:11:19.000 And so they saved the samples.

00:11:20.000 And then years later, they figure out how to test for this stuff.

00:11:23.000 Did you see Icarus?

00:11:24.000 I watched the first bit of it.

00:11:28.000 I haven't seen the whole thing yet. 0.99

00:11:29.000 It's fucking nuts. 1.00

00:11:30.000 It's nuts. 1.00

00:11:31.000 I mean, it's just crazy.

00:11:33.000 If there's a sport with money, people are going to start bringing drugs into it. 0.99

00:11:37.000 Well, the crazy thing about that was that it was a Russian state sponsor.

00:11:40.000 They sponsored the entire dope. 0.95

00:11:42.000 They doped everyone. 0.95

00:11:43.000 That guy, Gregory Rechenkov?

00:11:46.000 Yeah, the guy who was the supposed anti-doping guy from Russia.

00:11:51.000 He said the only people they didn't dope were the figure skaters.

00:11:55.000 Because they found that the figure skating, it actually interfered with fine motor skills.

00:12:02.000 Really?

00:12:02.000 Yeah.

00:12:03.000 And made the women too manly. 1.00

00:12:05.000 So kind of funny about that, my parents were both figure skaters.

00:12:08.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:12:08.000 And so they're both Olympians, 1976. No shit! 0.71

00:12:12.000 Yeah, Paris Freestyle. 0.99

00:12:14.000 And my dad talks about, like, he would be in the locker room in, like, different countries.

00:12:18.000 He was like, they just had their syringes on the bench.

00:12:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:22.000 And he was like, you come in after your session on the ice, and he's like, the German team's just there.

00:12:27.000 Like, they're not even hiding it because...

00:12:30.000 It was legal.

00:12:31.000 Well, they didn't test for it back then, right?

00:12:32.000 Yeah, they didn't know, right?

00:12:33.000 But the American team did that, too, back then, supposedly.

00:12:36.000 Oh, really?

00:12:36.000 Yeah.

00:12:36.000 Yeah, I was reading this thing about Bruce Jenner where they were talking about all the shit that they gave him when he was winning the decathlon and they gave shit to...

00:12:44.000 Apparently post when it was post the Eastern Europeans winning a lot of weightlifting competitions and then it was clear that they were experimenting with different kinds of steroids. 0.98

00:13:00.000 I remember reading the article...

00:13:03.000 They were testing it at York Barbell.

00:13:06.000 I remember reading these journal entries from the lifters and some...

00:13:12.000 They were bolting the bars to the ground or to squat racks, and they would take the drugs and then just push on the bars as hard as they can.

00:13:22.000 Because their theory was like, the heaviest bar you can lift is the one you cannot.

00:13:25.000 And it was like, huh?

00:13:28.000 And some of these lifters are saying, like, yo, these pills or these injections...

00:13:33.000 Are where everything is coming from.

00:13:34.000 Like, this is where all my gains are coming from.

00:13:37.000 And then others were like, no, no, it's the training methodology.

00:13:39.000 Like, the drugs have nothing to do with it.

00:13:41.000 I'm just hitting all these personal records.

00:13:43.000 Yeah.

00:13:44.000 Maybe a little bit of both?

00:13:46.000 I think I know which ones I'll put out more.

00:13:49.000 For sure, for sure.

00:13:51.000 Just taking the drugs doesn't make you stronger.

00:13:53.000 You have to actually lift the weights.

00:13:55.000 For sure, the drugs are helping.

00:13:57.000 The idea that the drugs don't help.

00:13:59.000 I've actually seen someone argue that before.

00:14:01.000 That steroids are useless and if you train properly, they actually get in the way.

00:14:06.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

00:14:09.000 There's been a couple people in CrossFit that got popped and they're like, oh, the drugs weren't even doing anything. 0.97

00:14:15.000 Oh, silly boy. 0.93

00:14:18.000 Of course they were! 0.99

00:14:19.000 They work!

00:14:20.000 There's a reason why they're so prevalent, and there's a reason why they test for them.

00:14:23.000 They don't test for things that don't work.

00:14:25.000 They're not testing you for Cheerios. 0.99

00:14:27.000 They're testing you for shit that really works. 0.98

00:14:30.000 The one guy that he was on the podium at the games and then got popped, I competed against him six or eight months prior, and like... 0.98

00:14:40.000 The one stat, like, he was snatching, like, 260 or 265, and then he shows up to the games and snatches, like, 290, and he's taking...

00:14:48.000 He almost hit 300. And he's like, no, no, the drugs had nothing to do with it.

00:14:52.000 And it's like...

00:14:52.000 I bet they did!

00:14:54.000 Yeah, I don't believe that.

00:14:57.000 And it's like...

00:14:58.000 You've been in the sport for years.

00:15:00.000 If you're just a beginner, you can make progress like that.

00:15:03.000 But I'm like, you've been in the sport for years.

00:15:05.000 And then in the last six months, you just had this huge spike in your performance.

00:15:09.000 And you're like, oh no, it's just because I became dedicated.

00:15:11.000 It's like, I'm not buying it.

00:15:13.000 Dedication.

00:15:14.000 So important to be dedicated.

00:15:17.000 Now, how often do they test everybody?

00:15:20.000 I mean, pretty often.

00:15:21.000 Do they show up randomly?

00:15:23.000 Yeah, so we have out-of-competition drug testing.

00:15:28.000 When I did weightlifting, we were on the NAND program, so no advance notice.

00:15:32.000 So if you're in the Olympic sports, you're tested by the Olympic Association, you have to give one hour a day.

00:15:40.000 Of where you are.

00:15:42.000 And they show up.

00:15:44.000 They don't call.

00:15:45.000 Nothing.

00:15:45.000 So, like, everyone put from, like, 5 to 6 a.m.

00:15:48.000 I'll be in my dorm room.

00:15:49.000 And, like, if you're leaving for the airport at, like, 4.50, you'll see someone sitting outside the dorm room just, like, looking at their watch, waiting for 5 a.m.

00:15:58.000 to hit and give the knock.

00:16:00.000 And, like, they'll follow you.

00:16:01.000 They come with you to school, work.

00:16:04.000 Doesn't matter what you're doing.

00:16:05.000 Will they make you miss a flight?

00:16:08.000 Uh, yeah, probably.

00:16:09.000 Probably.

00:16:10.000 I'd assume they would.

00:16:12.000 But, I mean, like, I remember having to talk to professors of, like, I have an exam and, like, I didn't have to pee.

00:16:18.000 So I'm like, you guys got to come to class with me.

00:16:21.000 And having to, like, explain to a professor of, like, hey, like, these guys are here for drug testing.

00:16:25.000 I compete in the sport.

00:16:26.000 Is it okay if they just sit there?

00:16:29.000 Wow.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, so the CrossFit.

00:16:31.000 How creepy.

00:16:31.000 I mean, it's weird.

00:16:32.000 Like, I've had it before where they showed up at 5 a.m.

00:16:35.000 I didn't have to pee.

00:16:36.000 And I'm like, yo, it's 5 a.m.

00:16:38.000 I'm going back to bed.

00:16:40.000 They're like, yep, we'll sit right here.

00:16:43.000 So they just sit in the room while you're sleeping?

00:16:44.000 Yeah, they just pull up a chair and they'll just sit there.

00:16:47.000 Just stare at you while you're sleeping.

00:16:48.000 Go back to bed.

00:16:48.000 How can you sleep while this guy...

00:16:50.000 I mean, just put on the TV or something for him and you just go back to bed.

00:16:54.000 I mean, after a while, you get used to it.

00:16:56.000 The first time having to take a drug test in front of someone, it's weird.

00:17:02.000 They're inspecting you closely. 1.00

00:17:03.000 They have to look at your dick. 1.00

00:17:04.000 Yeah, making sure it's not rubber. 1.00

00:17:06.000 And then, I mean, now it's like, I don't even break conversation.

00:17:10.000 It happens so often.

00:17:12.000 Every competition, out of competition.

00:17:13.000 You get to know the guy that's in your region for drug testing.

00:17:17.000 Did CrossFit always have drug testing?

00:17:20.000 I don't know.

00:17:21.000 I don't know enough about the history.

00:17:23.000 I think it's newer.

00:17:25.000 But yeah, with CrossFit drug testing, it's I remember the first time I got drug tested.

00:17:30.000 When I first got on the sport, I was like, I think these guys are doping.

00:17:34.000 Like, I don't believe it.

00:17:35.000 And I didn't know about the drug testing protocols.

00:17:38.000 And then I had to sign up for it because I was doing well enough in the sport.

00:17:42.000 And then I get a phone call of like, hey, this is so-and-so from drug testing where your name got pulled.

00:17:49.000 And I was honestly excited because I'm like, oh sweet, they do regulate this.

00:17:53.000 This is great.

00:17:54.000 So I was like, yeah, I'm at the address that I listed.

00:17:57.000 Come on in.

00:17:57.000 Door's unlocked.

00:17:58.000 And he's like, oh no, no, no.

00:17:59.000 We'll be there tomorrow.

00:18:01.000 I was like, what?

00:18:03.000 I'm like, you're giving me a day's notice?

00:18:06.000 I don't like that at all.

00:18:08.000 You can flush your system out in a day, right?

00:18:10.000 For a lot of things.

00:18:10.000 I have to assume that if you know what you're doing, you have a plan B. You have to assume...

00:18:18.000 That you're going to get tested at some point, right?

00:18:20.000 How can they...

00:18:20.000 I know that the USADA stopped allowing people to use IVs.

00:18:24.000 Because one of the things they said about IVs is it allows you to flush your system out.

00:18:28.000 And you can test negative things.

00:18:30.000 I never knew the reasoning.

00:18:31.000 I remember it was coming up...

00:18:35.000 Like those IV bars that like they just jam-pack it full of vitamins and whatever like these super doses and it's like started it's like a hangover cure right?

00:18:42.000 Right.

00:18:44.000 And I remember that was getting pitched like other people around me were doing them and they're like you should do this and I'm like all right my livelihood depends on not breaking the rules so I'm like And I'm contacting people at CrossFit like, hey, is this allowed?

00:18:58.000 And it's like right there in the rulebook of like no IVs over 50 milliliters or something.

00:19:05.000 It's equivalent to like a tablespoon or two tablespoons.

00:19:07.000 So I was like, okay, that's not allowed.

00:19:09.000 Not doing that.

00:19:10.000 But yeah, I mean...

00:19:12.000 So, you can't even do IV vitamin trips?

00:19:14.000 Mm-mm.

00:19:15.000 Nothing.

00:19:16.000 Yeah.

00:19:16.000 But you can do some IVs.

00:19:18.000 Like I said, no IVs allowed.

00:19:19.000 I think if it's a medical emergency.

00:19:21.000 So, like, if you're super dehydrated.

00:19:23.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 So, like, if you're in trouble and, like, getting hospitalized or, like, there's a need for it, I think it's allowed.

00:19:30.000 Is that...

00:19:31.000 Do they do that to you when you have rhabdo?

00:19:33.000 Do they give you...

00:19:34.000 I should probably tell people what rhabdo is.

00:19:36.000 Rhabdomyelosis, which is...

00:19:38.000 What is it exactly?

00:19:39.000 Like your muscle tissue is breaking down because you overtrain?

00:19:42.000 Yeah, I think it's...

00:19:43.000 So I've had it once.

00:19:45.000 Yeah.

00:19:45.000 And I found out after the fact of like, oh, okay, that's what that was.

00:19:48.000 It looks like you're pissing coke.

00:19:50.000 Yeah.

00:19:50.000 And it's just brown.

00:19:52.000 And you're like, uh-oh, that ain't good.

00:19:55.000 But it's like, yeah, if you don't train for a long time and then you do a workout super high intensity and it's like one repetitive motion just over and over.

00:20:04.000 And so I'm not 100% sure.

00:20:06.000 I don't know all the science and proper terms behind it, but it's basically like...

00:20:11.000 Like your muscle poisons itself, something like that.

00:20:15.000 But yeah, it's not good.

00:20:16.000 I know a lot of people that have been hospitalized for it.

00:20:19.000 Do they use IVs to treat you with that?

00:20:21.000 I think so.

00:20:21.000 I think it's just like you need to get so hydrated, just flush everything out.

00:20:25.000 Because it's something like your CK level spike.

00:20:29.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:20:30.000 It's interesting that that's a real thing that happens pretty often amongst people that do CrossFit.

00:20:36.000 Yeah, I think it's probably more towards the beginners.

00:20:40.000 Because now when I train, I don't even get sore.

00:20:43.000 So it's just people that are out of shape that try to do something that you would do.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, and if it's not a well-programmed workout, where it's just like, all right, we're doing a thousand thrusters for time, and it's going to tear your quads.

00:20:55.000 It's like, no, no one should be doing that type of workout.

00:20:57.000 But I'm sure it's the same as if I just jumped in on Cam Haynes' running routine when I've done no building up to...

00:21:05.000 I have no business running a marathon every day.

00:21:08.000 So yeah, if I'm just jumping in a workout that I'm not prepared for... 0.98

00:21:11.000 Well, yeah, it's going to fuck you up. 0.94

00:21:13.000 Yeah, that is the thing, right? 0.96

00:21:14.000 When someone says that it takes you six months to recover from a marathon, there should be an asterisk if you're not conditioned to run marathons.

00:21:22.000 I mean, it's like any sport.

00:21:24.000 If I go in to roll or something and it's like...

00:21:29.000 Well, no, I need to learn the fundamentals. 0.98

00:21:31.000 If I'm just jumping in into a full sparring session, it's like, well, yeah, bad shit's going to happen. 0.93

00:21:36.000 Yeah, it really is like anything. 0.64

00:21:38.000 And in CrossFit, when you talk about someone doing a thousand thrusters, is a workout, are they scheduled by the people that run, they call them boxes, right?

00:21:47.000 Your gyms, you call them boxes?

00:21:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:49.000 Is that like inside term?

00:21:49.000 I think that's like the coin term.

00:21:52.000 Is that dorks? 0.96

00:21:53.000 Is it like so dorky that you don't say it? 0.99

00:21:55.000 Because you're too CrossFit?

00:21:56.000 Well, I came in from weightlifting, so like...

00:21:58.000 So it's a gym.

00:21:59.000 We used to watch CrossFit fail videos from weightlifting.

00:22:03.000 When I started CrossFit, I didn't tell any of my weightlifting buddies until they saw me on ESPN. And I was getting texts or phone calls and they're like, hey, so I was watching TV today and you do CrossFit now?

00:22:17.000 And I'm like, ah.

00:22:18.000 That's hilarious.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, that was me.

00:22:20.000 You're on ESPN and you're embarrassed. 0.99

00:22:23.000 That's so silly. 0.70

00:22:25.000 But yeah, a lot of people call them boxes. 0.94

00:22:27.000 But you would call them a gym.

00:22:28.000 Yeah, I just call it the gym. 0.99

00:22:30.000 Well, if you call it the gym, I think everyone should call it a fucking gym. 0.99

00:22:33.000 How about that? 0.98

00:22:34.000 So if they go to those CrossFit gyms, are the workouts, like when they have the workout of the day, is that workout scheduled by the person who runs the gym?

00:22:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:44.000 So they could just randomly choose a bunch of shit you could do? 0.99

00:22:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:48.000 It's like the owner of the gym is allowed to run it however they want.

00:22:53.000 They're free to do whatever.

00:22:55.000 So there's no regulations on the equipment, programming, coaching, nothing.

00:23:01.000 So I came from a gym in Vermont, Champlain Valley, that I thought that was my first experience with the CrossFit gym.

00:23:09.000 And it was this huge gym, amazing coaches that cared about the fundamentals, had amazing programming.

00:23:17.000 They put thought into every aspect of it.

00:23:21.000 And then I remember visiting other gyms that it's like, I mean, it's like the size of this room, half the plates are broken, the coach is just a cheerleader, and I remember being like, wait, this is the same thing?

00:23:35.000 So do you just have to pay a fee to be a CrossFit gym, or do you...

00:23:38.000 I'm not 100% sure how it works, because I've never...

00:23:41.000 Had an interest in opening a gym?

00:23:43.000 I would imagine, just what I would think you should have to do, the workouts should be scheduled.

00:23:50.000 You should have, okay, this is a workout that you can do.

00:23:54.000 We've balanced it all out.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, and I think it kind of comes down to the gyms that aren't putting in that effort will dwindle out.

00:24:03.000 Because people start expecting...

00:24:05.000 They're like, I'm paying you a good chunk of money.

00:24:07.000 $100, $200 a month.

00:24:10.000 I want something for that money.

00:24:12.000 I'm not just going to show up to your dusty garage.

00:24:14.000 But what I would hope is that there's some sort of accreditation.

00:24:18.000 If it's accredited and then you have workouts that have been thoughtfully put together so that you know that you're going to get a really good workout, a balanced workout and be safe.

00:24:31.000 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 I mean, I've shown up to gyms where...

00:24:34.000 It's brutal.

00:24:36.000 I'm sure a lot of them are out of business now.

00:24:41.000 But I've also shown up to ones that are great.

00:24:45.000 The people take pride in it.

00:24:46.000 They want to give the customer the best experience they can.

00:24:50.000 I was lucky enough that just by random chance, the first one I showed up to, if they have a class over whatever number of people, they have multiple coaches working.

00:25:00.000 During the workout, the coaches aren't just cheerleading and telling people to go harder or go faster.

00:25:05.000 It's like they're critiquing technique.

00:25:07.000 They're giving a good foundation.

00:25:09.000 I mean, that's where I hit the ground running coming into the sport was I have this background in Olympic weightlifting, so I know how to move my body correctly.

00:25:18.000 So it's like I came in like leaps and bounds ahead of so many people because I didn't have to work For years and years to build this foundation.

00:25:26.000 Right.

00:25:26.000 So all I had to do was figure out the cardio side of it.

00:25:29.000 The cardio side of it has to... 1.00

00:25:31.000 I mean, you're built like a fucking brick shithouse. 0.99

00:25:33.000 Well, I would imagine that's really hard to have... 1.00

00:25:36.000 Like, you giant fucking legs and you're stacked. 0.99

00:25:39.000 Yeah, I mean... 1.00

00:25:39.000 Like, Olympic lifters. 1.00

00:25:41.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 That's not necessarily what I would think of in terms of, like, someone who's a cardio machine.

00:25:46.000 I would think you're fueling so much muscle.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, I mean, it's...

00:25:49.000 I mean, just...

00:25:51.000 Taking in enough calories and fuel for the day is a full-time job.

00:25:55.000 Like, when I was training and competing, I'm taking in 2,000 to 3,000 calories a day just in liquid.

00:26:01.000 What's a typical meal for you?

00:26:04.000 Oh, man.

00:26:04.000 You have to ask my wife that one.

00:26:06.000 She does all my...

00:26:06.000 She does all the cooking and meal prep?

00:26:08.000 Yeah, everything.

00:26:08.000 Do you have those little plastic things you open up and...

00:26:10.000 No.

00:26:10.000 No, it's like, I'll just text her when I'm on my way home from the gym.

00:26:13.000 And like, hey, be home in 10. And then I walk in and like, there's a whole plate.

00:26:17.000 But like, I'm like a child at breakfast.

00:26:19.000 I hate eating breakfast.

00:26:21.000 And it's like she'll have like the three, four eggs, the bagel, cream cheese, fruit, vegetable, like...

00:26:26.000 Why do you hate eating breakfast?

00:26:27.000 I just...

00:26:27.000 I don't like eating first thing in the morning.

00:26:29.000 But you have to because you need the fuel.

00:26:31.000 Yeah.

00:26:31.000 So it's like...

00:26:32.000 I'm like a child sitting there and she's like, no, you're not allowed to leave until you clean your plate. 1.00

00:26:35.000 I'm like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:26:37.000 Like... 0.99

00:26:37.000 So now it's like, now that I'm not training... 0.99

00:26:40.000 As a career, I won't eat until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.

00:26:44.000 And how old are you now?

00:26:46.000 31 now.

00:26:47.000 And what made you decide to retire at 31?

00:26:49.000 Because it seems like that's kind of your athletic peak, no?

00:26:52.000 Yeah, I think people peak at different ages.

00:26:55.000 I had my best performance ever.

00:26:59.000 Like, my last competition.

00:27:00.000 But it was just time, you know?

00:27:02.000 You were done with it?

00:27:02.000 Yeah.

00:27:03.000 Like, when I did weightlifting, it's like I rode that bus until the wheels fell off.

00:27:07.000 And, like, when I left it, I had resentments.

00:27:09.000 I didn't like it.

00:27:10.000 You know, I cut off ties with a lot of people just because I didn't know how to handle it.

00:27:15.000 And so with CrossFit, I wanted to make sure that I left it, still wanted to be a part of that community.

00:27:22.000 Like, I still want to feel good about showing up to competitions, keep my friends, like, all this stuff.

00:27:26.000 So, you know, like...

00:27:28.000 It's been a goal of mine for a long time to, like, you know, get certain records in the sport.

00:27:33.000 So I hit that record and there's just been too many other things in my life that I've put on hold.

00:27:38.000 And I'm like, okay, I'm good.

00:27:40.000 Like, I've done everything in the space that I wanted to do.

00:27:43.000 Now I want to pursue some of these other things that I've put on hold.

00:27:47.000 And you know, like, my whole life has revolved around this for seven, eight years now of, you know, not traveling, not going out to meals, not hanging out with friends.

00:27:58.000 It's like, no, like, from eyes open to eyes closed revolves around this.

00:28:03.000 So when we talked about meals, you said you don't like eating breakfast, but what would a breakfast be for you when you were in peak form?

00:28:09.000 I mean, the typical, like, probably four eggs, four or five strips of bacon, bagel, cream cheese, bowl of oatmeal, bowl of fruit, big jug of water.

00:28:21.000 I mean, nothing crazy.

00:28:23.000 It was just like the quantities I was having to put down.

00:28:26.000 And are you supplementing as well?

00:28:27.000 Yeah, like, just the typical, like, protein, creatine, pre-workout.

00:28:33.000 Vitamins?

00:28:34.000 A shitload of beta-alanine.

00:28:35.000 Yeah.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, beta-alanine works.

00:28:38.000 Nothing crazy.

00:28:39.000 Oh, I love that stuff.

00:28:40.000 That stuff works.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, I can't believe more people don't take it.

00:28:44.000 Like, I found where I could buy it just on its own, like, not mixed in a pre-workout, and just kept it in my gym bag, just like a scoop before every training session.

00:28:53.000 What do you think beta-alanine does for you?

00:28:56.000 It makes me feel like I have a third lung.

00:28:58.000 So that's how I always felt it was.

00:29:00.000 I felt like I had a third lung when I took it.

00:29:04.000 And you would just take it with water?

00:29:05.000 I mean, I would just dry scoop and then swig it down with a cup of water.

00:29:09.000 It tastes weird.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, I didn't really have much.

00:29:12.000 The one I had didn't have much of a taste.

00:29:13.000 It was more just like your mouth gets tingly right away because it had the direct contact there.

00:29:17.000 And you would do that how often before workout or how far before you're working out?

00:29:22.000 I mean like 10 minutes.

00:29:24.000 Oh, okay.

00:29:24.000 Because I would do like a very gradual warm-up activation, all that stuff going in.

00:29:29.000 So by the end of the warm-up, like you're rubbing your face just like, oh shit, it's kicking in. 0.98

00:29:34.000 Here we go. 0.71

00:29:35.000 But then someone told me that it actually blocks, what is it, lactic acid production?

00:29:41.000 So I was like, oh, okay.

00:29:43.000 That makes sense.

00:29:43.000 That makes sense for why I feel so good when I take this.

00:29:46.000 Because like...

00:29:47.000 So much of CrossFit is just like, alright, A, who can spike their heart rate and keep it there the longest, and then who can hold off the lactic acid the longest.

00:29:55.000 And when you would take beta-alanine, what dose, like, what's the...

00:29:58.000 I wish I could tell you.

00:29:59.000 I didn't even do that much research on it.

00:30:01.000 It was...

00:30:03.000 People that are so meticulous about their supplements and their training are probably screaming right now.

00:30:08.000 Even at the games, every year, everyone has their prepackaged food.

00:30:14.000 They're weighing out their chicken, their white rice, their broccoli, and I'm just scarfing down Snickers bars.

00:30:20.000 As soon as I come off the floor, I worked with experts in each of these divisions of this guy who trains triathletes.

00:30:28.000 He's a scientist that shows these guys how to be optimal.

00:30:33.000 And he's the one telling me, he's like, yo, if you're doing a 60-minute workout, like Coca-Cola and a Snickers bar, as soon as you're done, Isn't that crazy?

00:30:42.000 I was like, oh, okay.

00:30:44.000 So I can never eat a Snickers again.

00:30:47.000 I've eaten so many over my career for the last three, four years.

00:30:50.000 Floyd Mayweather was always drinking Coke or Pepsi after he trains.

00:30:55.000 And people were like, this is crazy.

00:30:56.000 He's ruining his body.

00:30:57.000 And I'm like, no, no, no.

00:30:58.000 He knows what he's doing.

00:31:00.000 He's dumping sugar into his muscles.

00:31:02.000 So it was this guy.

00:31:03.000 I went out...

00:31:05.000 I think he's the University of Colorado.

00:31:07.000 And he has, like, the sports lab, like, at the university.

00:31:10.000 And the typical, like, put you on a treadmill with a gas mask and heart-raised wires, all this stuff.

00:31:15.000 And he just keeps ticking up the treadmill, going faster and faster until you drop.

00:31:20.000 And it's like every three minutes he's, like, pricking your finger and drawing blood.

00:31:24.000 And, like, he's telling you where all these different levels are.

00:31:27.000 And I'm like, I don't care.

00:31:29.000 Like, you just tell me what I should do to get better.

00:31:31.000 I don't want to know where I'm weak.

00:31:33.000 Just tell me how to get better.

00:31:34.000 And he was telling me, he's like, don't drink the bottled Gatorade.

00:31:40.000 Drink, like, you buy the scoop of the powder and mix a gallon worth into, like, eight ounces of water.

00:31:47.000 Whoa.

00:31:48.000 And I was like...

00:31:49.000 Oh.

00:31:51.000 That much, huh?

00:31:52.000 And so it's like you do these like 90 minute zone 2 training sessions where you're just on a spin bike or running for 90 minutes.

00:31:58.000 And he's like, as soon as you're done, slug that down.

00:32:01.000 It's just like sludge.

00:32:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:32:03.000 It's like, oh, this sucks. 0.96

00:32:04.000 But it gets into the muscles. 0.94

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:06.000 I mean, it's, I don't know the science behind it.

00:32:08.000 It's weird.

00:32:09.000 People that are smarter than me that know what they're doing.

00:32:13.000 And I'm like, okay, cool.

00:32:14.000 So he's like, yeah, eat Snickers bar after a workout, slug down this condensed Gatorade, and you're good to go.

00:32:20.000 I'm like, okay.

00:32:21.000 Now, does he want you to do the Gatorade because it also has electrolytes along with all the sugar?

00:32:25.000 I think it was just the sugar.

00:32:27.000 Really?

00:32:27.000 It was just the condensed.

00:32:29.000 So, I mean...

00:32:32.000 I had good performances the last couple years, so I'm like, alright, what you told me is working.

00:32:36.000 I'm going to keep doing it.

00:32:38.000 But yeah, I mean, I don't have a background in exercise science or anything like that.

00:32:43.000 So half the time when these people are telling me these things, I'm just kind of like, alright, this is your world.

00:32:48.000 You're the pro in this.

00:32:50.000 Do you think that having this background in Olympic lifting was a giant advantage?

00:32:55.000 Huge.

00:32:56.000 Huge advantage.

00:32:58.000 I mean, not only am I coming into the sport with lifts that are like I'm already messing with the top guys, but now I know how to move my body efficiently.

00:33:09.000 So a lot of times if you see these guys in longer workouts where it has 30 snatches at the end of it or just this high-volume Olympic lifting, by the end of the workout, they're moving differently.

00:33:20.000 Their technique is breaking down.

00:33:23.000 The bar is swinging out.

00:33:24.000 They're not catching the bar as efficiently, so it's crashing on them.

00:33:28.000 For me, it doesn't matter if it's the start of the workout, end of the workout.

00:33:32.000 I may catch the bar lower, I may have less pull, but the movement's identical.

00:33:38.000 I just have this huge advantage coming in that whether I'm fresh, tired, sore, I only know how to snatch a bar one way.

00:33:48.000 Would you advise a young person, if you ran into someone and they said, I want to be a CrossFit champion, would you say get into Olympic lifting first?

00:33:56.000 I don't think it's necessary to do pure dedicated Olympic weightlifting first.

00:34:02.000 I think it's a necessity to do pure dedicated Olympic weightlifting and doing it properly.

00:34:10.000 Because so many times you'll see people like, oh, what's your workout today?

00:34:13.000 Oh, let's work up to a heavy single.

00:34:15.000 It's like, whoa, what?

00:34:17.000 You're not working off percentages?

00:34:18.000 You're not building up to...

00:34:20.000 Explain that to people, what you mean?

00:34:22.000 Like... 0.99

00:34:22.000 Because a lot of people are like, what the fuck is he talking about? 0.99

00:34:24.000 Yeah, I mean, like, a lot of people just like... 0.99

00:34:27.000 If you're trying to bench 315, you don't just go into the gym every single day and take a whack at benching 315. It's like you start at a lower number and doing a shitload of reps, and then you're tapering, you're cutting down the volume, you're increasing the weight, you're working off percentages to build up to that heavy single.

00:34:46.000 So, I mean, like, when I did weightlifting, I mean, you're working most of the time between 70-80% of your max lifts, just dialing in that technique and, like, making sure you know how to move with weight.

00:34:59.000 And I remember coming into CrossFit with my background, I'm like...

00:35:04.000 Wait, you guys are just going heavy every day?

00:35:06.000 That's not smart.

00:35:08.000 Your body's going to break down.

00:35:10.000 You're not learning how to move this weight properly.

00:35:12.000 It was a huge advantage coming in with my background.

00:35:15.000 Not only knowing how to move the weights in those specific lifts, but then even with the kipping movements for pull-up bars or muscle-ups, I know how to move my body by using...

00:35:29.000 I'm using my hips like I'm getting that pop out of my hips to get up over the bar and so I just knew how to move a little bit more efficiently and so it was a huge advantage coming in.

00:35:40.000 Do you think it's better because it seems to me that if you came in with a strong cardio base like as a triathlete or something like that that it would be harder to put the strength on Versus someone like you comes in with a strong muscle base,

00:35:56.000 a strong power base.

00:35:58.000 It seems like it would make more sense that you would be able to develop cardio easier than they would be able to develop strength.

00:36:06.000 I think there is some truth to that.

00:36:07.000 Because it's hard to develop strength while you're doing the heavy cardio, right?

00:36:11.000 You can maintain strength. 0.89

00:36:13.000 But if you're doing a lot of long-distance running and shit like that... 0.81

00:36:16.000 I don't know about that.

00:36:18.000 I mean, I've continued to hit strength number PRs throughout my career.

00:36:23.000 Right, but you already had this base.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, I think...

00:36:26.000 I don't know.

00:36:27.000 Because that's the one thing that they always say if you're someone who gets into marathon running or something like that.

00:36:32.000 Like, you lose a lot of strength.

00:36:33.000 You lose gains.

00:36:34.000 Is that just, like, atrophy of...

00:36:36.000 I don't know.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:49.000 If I were a betting man, I would say it's easier to build the cardio side of it versus the weightlifting.

00:36:55.000 Because I think there's more aspects that go into the weightlifting.

00:36:57.000 Because there's the strength, the flexibility, the technique, the coordination.

00:37:01.000 There's a lot of things.

00:37:02.000 Whereas for me to build cardio, I just get on an air bike and start hammering away.

00:37:10.000 There's not much technique going on there.

00:37:12.000 Now, was air bike your main source of cardio exercise?

00:37:18.000 For me, it was rowing.

00:37:20.000 Rowing.

00:37:20.000 Like the Concept 2 rower.

00:37:22.000 And it was just like I showed up, one of the first competitions I did, or like anytime it showed up in like the class workout in the gym, I just got my doors blown off by everyone on the rower.

00:37:33.000 And so I was like, okay, like if I want to get better, I need to figure...

00:37:56.000 What were you doing wrong?

00:37:58.000 Everything.

00:37:59.000 I mean it was just like I was throwing my shoulders back first movement pushing like so like dominant I'm pulling with my arms early and it's like you want to extend your legs first then your back and then follow through with your arms so it sounds so simple but like when you're in the movement it's just that you're thinking of a hundred different things at once and and so that sequence is just to be more efficient so you can go longer and further Yeah,

00:38:24.000 I think, you know, it's a very unnatural feeling.

00:38:27.000 Because, you know, like, for me, it's like my quads are my most dominant muscle.

00:38:30.000 So I want to use that the most for the pull.

00:38:33.000 And it's like, no, like, you want to hinge, just like a clean, like you extend your legs first, and then your back, you know, like you want to stay over the bar.

00:38:41.000 It's the same with the rower.

00:38:42.000 But I think it was probably a good dose of like, I worked on it a little bit.

00:38:47.000 I saw the results.

00:38:49.000 And so I got that gratification of like, oh, I like this now.

00:38:53.000 I worked a little bit on it.

00:38:54.000 I got a little dose of that feel-good of like, all right, you're getting better.

00:38:57.000 Keep working.

00:38:58.000 And so then I just...

00:38:59.000 I used the rower the most out of any of the tools.

00:39:03.000 The bike...

00:39:04.000 I mean, no one likes the bike. 0.98

00:39:07.000 That thing sucks. 0.99

00:39:07.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.99

00:39:08.000 So brutal. 0.99

00:39:09.000 And especially if...

00:39:11.000 The bigger you are, the better.

00:39:13.000 Just because you can manhandle that machine.

00:39:15.000 But I'm like 5'6".

00:39:17.000 The handles are up here for me.

00:39:19.000 It's not fun.

00:39:20.000 What do you weigh?

00:39:21.000 What did you weigh when you were at your peak?

00:39:23.000 Usually for a competition, I would walk in low, mid-190s.

00:39:29.000 Usually right around 195, give or take.

00:39:32.000 But in training, sometimes I'd blow up to a little bit over 200. And my weightlifting would get awesome.

00:39:38.000 And then sometimes my body weight would drop to like in the 180s.

00:39:41.000 My gymnastics would be awesome.

00:39:43.000 But the nice happy medium for everything was like mid-190s.

00:39:46.000 And so when you're doing things like running, there's some events where you have to run distance, right?

00:39:53.000 Yeah.

00:39:54.000 I would imagine you're built like a bowling ball.

00:39:59.000 I do not have running legs.

00:40:02.000 No.

00:40:02.000 You have powerlifter legs, right?

00:40:04.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 I've put in a ton of time and I've worked with a lot of great people.

00:40:10.000 To get better at running, you know, just get better at any of the cardio stuff.

00:40:14.000 Do you have any joint issues or knee issues or anything from running?

00:40:17.000 No, no, I'm good.

00:40:19.000 Like, I mean, it was a big thing with, I wanted to end my CrossFit career without a limp or like some injury that dictated, like, I wanted to choose my retirement.

00:40:28.000 I didn't want to be told like, oh yeah, you're retired, you know, your knees are blowing out, you're whatever.

00:40:35.000 But no, I've always tried to train smart.

00:40:37.000 Like, Doing it properly.

00:40:40.000 And so I've studied how other people in other sports do these things.

00:40:43.000 I'm not just leaving my front door and going for a marathon ruck.

00:40:49.000 I'm talking to people that are experts in their craft. 0.96

00:40:53.000 So when I wanted to get better at deadlifting, I don't know how the fuck to train deadlifting.

00:40:57.000 I have a rough idea, but not how to do it perfectly.

00:41:01.000 And so I reached out to a powerlifter who had some world records.

00:41:04.000 And he sent me over a whole program when I wanted to get better at running.

00:41:08.000 I'm like, alright, who's awesome at running?

00:41:10.000 Probably someone that's done some Ironmans.

00:41:12.000 Let me reach out to it.

00:41:14.000 And the guy, I think he got second place in the Hawaiian Ironman twice.

00:41:19.000 And I've worked with him for years.

00:41:21.000 Did he change the gait, the way you run?

00:41:24.000 Oh, so much.

00:41:25.000 Really?

00:41:26.000 I mean, I was terrible.

00:41:27.000 What were you doing wrong?

00:41:29.000 I mean, my breathing was super sporadic.

00:41:31.000 You know, in the beginning, it's like, oh, you know, I feel great.

00:41:34.000 I'm not, you know, just moving air as much as I can.

00:41:37.000 It's like, I feel good.

00:41:38.000 I'm comfortable.

00:41:39.000 But then, like, by the end of a mile run, it's like, sometimes I'm taking a breath every other step, sometimes every third, whatever it was.

00:41:46.000 So the foot position when I land, where my foot's striking in relevance to my body, my cadence.

00:41:54.000 I think my cadence was super slow when we sped it up.

00:41:58.000 Actually using the ball on my foot because weightlifting is just all heel, heel, heel.

00:42:03.000 And then changing my breathing cadence.

00:42:06.000 And then finding, all right, where's the bottleneck in my running?

00:42:10.000 Are my lungs not strong enough to expand to take in more air?

00:42:14.000 Is it...

00:42:15.000 Where's the weakness?

00:42:16.000 All these different...

00:42:17.000 Just breaking everything down into these minute little details to find where that bottleneck is and put a plan together.

00:42:24.000 And did you run with running shoes or minimalist shoes?

00:42:27.000 Oh, no.

00:42:27.000 I always run with the big old cushy...

00:42:30.000 I'm like, I have no pride.

00:42:32.000 These people that are running in minimalist shoes, this is the proper way.

00:42:35.000 I'm like, all right, I'm trying to do the fastest way. 0.98

00:42:37.000 I don't give a shit if it's the way we were intended to run. 0.95

00:42:41.000 These shoes feel good. 0.98

00:42:43.000 I'm going to wear them.

00:42:44.000 Need a little cushion.

00:42:45.000 I just want to imagine, for heavier people, the pounding is the real issue.

00:42:53.000 I mean, at 200 pounds, when you're going out for a 10-mile run, it's a lot of weight pounding.

00:42:59.000 It's a lot of repetition.

00:43:00.000 And when you're rucking, what's the amount of weight they would make you carry?

00:43:05.000 I mean, it varies.

00:43:08.000 Yeah, we have to do a lot of runs.

00:43:11.000 It was like the 5'11 vests for a long time, and then How much is that worth?

00:43:17.000 I think the men's is 20 pounds and the women's is 14 or 16. But then we've had the backpacks.

00:43:25.000 We had to do one race where it was like four laps and it started with a 20 or 30 pound plate in it.

00:43:33.000 And then every lap you had to pick up another 10-pound sandbag and throw it in.

00:43:37.000 So by like your last mile, I think it was like 50 or 60 pounds.

00:43:40.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:43:41.000 Yeah, like it gets, it adds up.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, that I would think would be terrible for your joints.

00:43:47.000 Yeah, I think you kind of move, like you change your technique depending on the weight that you have.

00:43:51.000 So it's like by the time you have 50 pounds on your back...

00:43:54.000 Like heavy walking?

00:43:55.000 Yeah, you look almost like one of the competitive speed walkers.

00:43:59.000 That's just like heel-toe, heel-toe. 0.97

00:44:01.000 So I mean, you're trying to keep a bit more of a clip than that.

00:44:05.000 Is there anything that looks less cool than competitive speed walking?

00:44:09.000 I know it's hard to do, but most things that are hard to do...

00:44:12.000 Those guys are...

00:44:13.000 They're moving.

00:44:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:15.000 Like... 0.99

00:44:15.000 But they look like dorks. 0.99

00:44:16.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:44:17.000 Right?

00:44:17.000 Have you ever seen, like, the suits where, like, the aerodynamic suits were, like...

00:44:21.000 No.

00:44:21.000 I don't know if it was a joke if someone was...

00:44:24.000 Or if it was a real thing.

00:44:26.000 But it was, like...

00:44:27.000 Kind of like the cyclists, how they have, like, the glasses that integrate into the helmet.

00:44:31.000 And it's, like, a big cone in the back for aerodynamics.

00:44:33.000 Like alien.

00:44:34.000 Yeah.

00:44:35.000 That's it.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 It was a joke.

00:44:37.000 It's a joke?

00:44:37.000 Okay.

00:44:38.000 Oh, my God.

00:44:41.000 Yeah.

00:44:47.000 Oh my god.

00:44:48.000 Whatever it takes.

00:44:49.000 Oh my god, that's a joke. 0.98

00:44:51.000 Yeah, I mean, no one gives a fuck if you win competitive speedwalking. 0.98

00:44:54.000 If someone goes, I won competitive speedwalking first place. 0.97

00:44:57.000 Okay.

00:44:58.000 I mean, just the way they move their hips. 0.75

00:45:01.000 I don't know how they...

00:45:02.000 Let's watch.

00:45:03.000 Let's see.

00:45:04.000 I don't know how they don't wear their hips.

00:45:05.000 They call it racewalking now.

00:45:07.000 Look at these people. 0.99

00:45:08.000 This is so silly. 0.96

00:45:10.000 How do you know that, like, if someone's competing in that, how do you know someone's not just gonna run? 0.96

00:45:16.000 They're running. 1.00

00:45:17.000 That fucking guy in the front's running. 1.00

00:45:19.000 There's referees that are making sure that you have a foot on the ground at all times. 1.00

00:45:24.000 That guy's just running goofy.

00:45:26.000 Get in the middle of that pack that you can...

00:45:28.000 That's so weird.

00:45:29.000 They're running, man. 0.98

00:45:30.000 This is so silly. 0.89

00:45:32.000 Is someone really watching you? 0.98

00:45:34.000 You're running!

00:45:35.000 He's running!

00:45:37.000 Come on. 1.00

00:45:37.000 Those fucking people are just running poorly. 1.00

00:45:40.000 That is running. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Look at them.

00:45:42.000 I think I saw...

00:45:43.000 The guy in the back is running a marathon.

00:45:46.000 Speedwalk marathon.

00:45:49.000 And it was like the marathon ended on the track and they had to do two laps on the track in front of people.

00:45:55.000 And he was like way ahead of everyone.

00:45:59.000 And he got DQ'd because he broke stride.

00:46:03.000 That guy just ran. 1.00

00:46:05.000 The fuck? 1.00

00:46:05.000 Yeah, he's running. 1.00

00:46:06.000 He almost passed out and he got pissed and started running.

00:46:08.000 Well, he lost his shoe.

00:46:09.000 Someone flat-tired him.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, he lost his shoe.

00:46:12.000 I mean, what a strategy, eh?

00:46:14.000 Like, if someone's ahead of you, just give him a flat tire.

00:46:17.000 Someone got that guy right there.

00:46:19.000 Like, he's so pissed. 0.98

00:46:20.000 Goddammit, now I gotta run. 0.99

00:46:21.000 He threw his water down. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Motherfucker! 1.00

00:46:23.000 I'm losing the speed walking! 1.00

00:46:26.000 Look at it, he's gonna catch up to them now.

00:46:28.000 I'm gonna catch you.

00:46:28.000 I'll get you.

00:46:29.000 Now he's running.

00:46:30.000 That guy's clearly running.

00:46:32.000 Like, come on, man.

00:46:33.000 What is running and what is speedwalking?

00:46:35.000 When do you decide?

00:46:37.000 Oh, that guy looks like he did it on purpose. 1.00

00:46:38.000 That guy's a dick. 1.00

00:46:40.000 It's the Olympics, man. 1.00

00:46:40.000 Is it the Olympics? 1.00

00:46:41.000 This was, yeah.

00:46:42.000 Oh, Christ.

00:46:43.000 How is this in the Olympics?

00:46:45.000 This is so weird.

00:46:45.000 I remember, like, conversations of, like, weightlifting or Greco-Roman wrestling getting pulled out of the Olympics.

00:46:51.000 And then you hear about the sports that are getting put in.

00:46:54.000 Yeah.

00:46:54.000 And you're like...

00:46:55.000 Are you shitting me? 0.98

00:46:56.000 Like you're putting interpretive dance in instead of Greco-Roman wrestling. 0.99

00:47:02.000 It's like one of the original sports.

00:47:04.000 What are you doing?

00:47:05.000 There's too much toxic masculinity, Matt.

00:47:07.000 You don't understand.

00:47:09.000 We don't encourage that.

00:47:10.000 We don't encourage explosive athletic endeavors that require incredible amounts of discipline.

00:47:15.000 Dude, I remember we shared a window Like, our gym to the Greco gym when I was doing weightlifting.

00:47:21.000 And I used to just watch. 0.98

00:47:23.000 Like, my platform was right next to them and I could watch through and I'm like, that is the coolest shit. 1.00

00:47:26.000 They're savages. 1.00

00:47:27.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:47:28.000 They're just brutes. 0.99

00:47:30.000 They all, like, none of them can use earbud headphones. 0.99

00:47:33.000 They can barely get a Q-tip in there. 0.99

00:47:35.000 I'm like, that is the coolest shit. 1.00

00:47:37.000 I bet music sounds like dog shit to them, though. 1.00

00:47:39.000 Right? 1.00

00:47:39.000 Because your ears design that on purpose. 1.00

00:47:40.000 Do you not have any cauliflower?

00:47:41.000 No, I don't have any.

00:47:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:43.000 I have, like, little pieces.

00:47:44.000 Like, I have, like, one little chunk here.

00:47:46.000 But I always wore ear guards.

00:47:47.000 And people would make fun of me.

00:47:49.000 See, I, like...

00:47:50.000 I found some cool ones that were flat. 0.99

00:47:53.000 Get the fuck out of here with your badges. 0.99

00:47:55.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:47:56.000 I remember, like, there was a sports bar in Colorado that, like, the owner contacted the wrestling team and said, anytime you guys want to watch the UFC fights, like, you got a table here.

00:48:04.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:48:05.000 And, uh, so all the wrestlers would get together and I would just, and, like, you show up and it's all, like, the tap-out gear and affliction, like, everyone, they all got invisible lat syndrome in the bar. 0.57

00:48:14.000 And then I would just ride the coattails of all of Team USA and as they're coming in like Team USA wrestling gear and they all have cauliflower ear and it's like the crowd just fucking moved.

00:48:25.000 And I was like, this is so cool! 1.00

00:48:29.000 It's like the international sign of like, I'll kick your ass. 1.00

00:48:32.000 Yeah, it certainly is. 1.00

00:48:33.000 If you get your ears like that, you earn it.

00:48:36.000 Unfortunately, some guys actually do it to themselves on purpose to make their ears look like that.

00:48:40.000 It's like a white belt jujitsu move.

00:48:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:42.000 I could see that.

00:48:44.000 They'll crush their own ears.

00:48:44.000 I could definitely see that.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, that's unfortunate.

00:48:47.000 Well, they get really into it.

00:48:48.000 And they want everyone to know.

00:48:49.000 If you're just in the grocery store, how do people know that you're a fighter?

00:48:54.000 It's like, all right, let me just punch myself in the air a couple times.

00:48:56.000 Yeah.

00:48:57.000 I don't...

00:48:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:58.000 You can drain it too, you silly gooses. 1.00

00:49:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:02.000 All it is is...

00:49:03.000 It's so gross.

00:49:04.000 It's just calcified blood.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 When blood gets trapped in between the layers, it just calcifies and turns into a rock.

00:49:09.000 I remember watching my friends drain them.

00:49:11.000 Yeah.

00:49:12.000 It's nasty.

00:49:13.000 Randy Couture used to use it.

00:49:15.000 His cauliflower ear is so hard.

00:49:18.000 It's like it sticks out that far.

00:49:20.000 He's basically a rock by his ear, and he would drive it into people.

00:49:25.000 Yeah, he would drive it in your face.

00:49:26.000 I guess it stops hurting after a while, right?

00:49:29.000 It didn't hurt him.

00:49:30.000 No, like when it first happens, it's super painful.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:33.000 But once it becomes calcium.

00:49:34.000 But it does break off sometimes.

00:49:37.000 Especially in MMA fights, guys will lose a large chunk of their ear.

00:49:43.000 I'm serious.

00:49:44.000 A quarter-sized chunk of their ear would fall off and be on the mat.

00:49:47.000 Or their ear would tear off.

00:49:49.000 Where do you go from there?

00:49:50.000 Like...

00:49:51.000 It's not good.

00:49:52.000 Usually the fight's over.

00:49:54.000 There was a woman named Leslie Smith, and she was fighting in the UFC, and a hole opened up behind her ear that was so nasty. 0.72

00:50:05.000 You could see into her head, and they stopped the fight. 0.99

00:50:09.000 Damn. 1.00

00:50:09.000 That's wild. 1.00

00:50:10.000 She was so tough, she was trying to keep going.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, we're good.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, she was trying to keep going.

00:50:14.000 But that was mostly because of Cauliflower Ear. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Damn. 0.99

00:50:18.000 Yeah, there it is. 0.99

00:50:20.000 Bro, it's so crazy.

00:50:23.000 See if you can find a better image.

00:50:24.000 There was one with the hole, and I was clicking so fast I lost it.

00:50:29.000 Yeah, there's one you can see.

00:50:30.000 There it is.

00:50:31.000 See that?

00:50:31.000 You can literally see into her head.

00:50:34.000 Look at that.

00:50:35.000 So that broke off because of the cauliflower ear. 0.99

00:50:39.000 Damn. 0.99

00:50:40.000 Yeah, because basically it's weighted. 0.99

00:50:43.000 There's a rock in there.

00:50:44.000 So I've like...

00:50:46.000 I've watched UFC and stuff for years and years.

00:50:50.000 I always loved it.

00:50:52.000 I met Chuck Liddell a couple months ago.

00:50:56.000 He used to fight at 205, right?

00:50:59.000 I look at that and I'm like, sometimes I'll walk around at 201. He's a little bit bigger than me.

00:51:04.000 Add on some weight for cutting down.

00:51:09.000 I could not believe how huge that man was.

00:51:13.000 He was enormous when he was in his prime.

00:51:15.000 I remember I ran into Chuck when he was just getting into the UFC, and I couldn't believe he could make 205. He was huge!

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 I remember seeing him, and even when he fought, you see him, you're like, alright, he's a big dude, but he weighed in at 205. He can't be that astronomically big.

00:51:31.000 He's 205 for about three minutes.

00:51:32.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 But then even when he's standing next to someone else, it's like, well...

00:51:38.000 That guy's in his weight class as well, so he's about the same size.

00:51:41.000 Yeah, I met him, and I was like, I have a whole new respect for how enormous.

00:51:47.000 Dude, that man was the scariest man I've ever met. 0.95

00:51:49.000 He was just huge, and I'm like, yeah, you look like a killer.

00:51:53.000 Well, you should meet Francis Ngannou. 0.83

00:51:55.000 Francis Ngannou makes him look tiny.

00:51:57.000 That guy's the scariest guy.

00:51:59.000 Physically, the scariest specimen.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, his hands were just like...

00:52:03.000 Yeah, enormous.

00:52:04.000 They were clubs.

00:52:05.000 I'm like, that's not even a functioning hand.

00:52:06.000 Like, that's just a club for beating people. 0.96

00:52:09.000 Well, you gotta think Chuck has been involved in martial arts and wrestling since he was a little kid.

00:52:13.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 His body's developed into that.

00:52:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

00:52:17.000 It's a hard way to make a living, man. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Tough people, you know?

00:52:21.000 Yeah.

00:52:22.000 I mean, I think it's like any physical sport like that.

00:52:26.000 Like, I mean, you look at these NFL guys or whatever it is, and it's like you're literally taking a beating for a living.

00:52:33.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:34.000 You're just trying not to break.

00:52:35.000 I think maybe the NFL's worse in terms of the kind of impacts that they take because they're running at each other.

00:52:41.000 Well, and then, like, it's not, like...

00:52:43.000 You don't see it coming.

00:52:44.000 Like UFC, it's like there's one dude in front of you.

00:52:46.000 Right.

00:52:46.000 Like he may hit you with a kick you don't see coming, but it's like you know where it's coming from.

00:52:50.000 The NFL, it's like you get blindsided.

00:52:53.000 Full clip.

00:52:54.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:52:55.000 And the guy's a super athlete.

00:52:56.000 Yeah.

00:52:57.000 Just ridiculously powerful, super fast, and he's throwing his entire body into you.

00:53:02.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, I started working with a bodywork guy, like Tom Brady's bodywork guy.

00:53:07.000 Like if you ever wonder why Tom Brady's playing at 43, it's because of this man.

00:53:11.000 Really?

00:53:12.000 He is a magician.

00:53:14.000 What kind of stuff does he do?

00:53:16.000 The most painful body, like, he just makes your muscles supple.

00:53:21.000 He's like, if your muscle is pliable and supple, you can't hurt it.

00:53:25.000 And so, like, I started working with him, like, two years ago, and it was unreal.

00:53:31.000 Like, just the light switch fix that he gave.

00:53:34.000 But anyways, he was saying to me, he's like, what you do is so easy.

00:53:38.000 What you do is so easy.

00:53:39.000 And I was like, after a while, I'm like, hey, Like, do you mean simple?

00:53:43.000 And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:44.000 He's like, the bar's not swinging back at you.

00:53:46.000 He's like, when you get hit with a weight, it's all square, perfect on.

00:53:51.000 Like, you're not getting blindsided by some, like, 200-pound D-lineman. 0.80

00:53:56.000 Right.

00:53:56.000 300-pound D-lineman, just like, and you didn't see it coming and bending your knee the wrong way.

00:54:00.000 He's like, you're in control of the bar.

00:54:02.000 It's not swinging back.

00:54:03.000 And I was like, oh, good point.

00:54:05.000 Yeah.

00:54:06.000 Like, how those NFL guys last, like...

00:54:09.000 Decades.

00:54:10.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:54:11.000 I've been hit like that.

00:54:11.000 Like, oh my god.

00:54:13.000 I guess it's just discipline and making sure you're taking care of your body and then for some, it must be genetics too.

00:54:19.000 I mean, just...

00:54:20.000 Yeah, I think you have the combination of like the genetic freaks and then if you have a paycheck big enough at the finish line for anyone.

00:54:29.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 Like, I mean, a lot of those guys like...

00:54:32.000 I mean, you're earning 25, 30 million a year.

00:54:34.000 There's not much I won't do for 25 million a year.

00:54:38.000 Right.

00:54:38.000 And it's like your year is 16 weeks of getting hit.

00:54:41.000 It's like, all right, that's pretty cool.

00:54:44.000 The problem is the brain.

00:54:45.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 The brain just doesn't recover.

00:54:47.000 The punishment those guys take is, you know, when you hear guys like Junior, how do you say his last name?

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:54.000 When he committed suicide and they analyzed his brain.

00:54:57.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 That's the same thing with Aaron Hernandez when they did an analysis of his brain.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, you start self-prescribing drugs to get that quick fix.

00:55:09.000 Yeah, your CTE is just out of control.

00:55:11.000 Then it's just a spiral.

00:55:11.000 They said his brain at 28 years old was like an 80-year-old with Alzheimer's.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:55:18.000 I watched that documentary and it's like, this is real life?

00:55:23.000 This happened in this world?

00:55:25.000 Holy hell. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Well, he fucking murdered somebody in Florida and got away with it. 1.00

00:55:29.000 Before he murdered guys up north. 0.99

00:55:32.000 What was the stat of the 2008 Florida Gators team?

00:55:37.000 The rap sheet, there was like 120 people on the roster and like 40 of them have been arrested.

00:55:43.000 It's like, dude, those numbers are staggering.

00:55:44.000 What the hell is going on?

00:55:46.000 It's probably the culture, but it's also probably the impulsiveness that comes with massive amounts of brain damage.

00:55:52.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 Well, who's the...

00:55:56.000 Antonio Brown.

00:55:58.000 I know very little on the topic, but it was people saying that he took the one hard, hard hit for the Steelers, and then his personality just...

00:56:07.000 He was a different person.

00:56:08.000 His personality changed, his temperament, everything.

00:56:11.000 And it's like, man...

00:56:13.000 That happens.

00:56:13.000 It's real.

00:56:14.000 It happens with people.

00:56:15.000 I'm glad I was in a sport that I'm not getting knocked out on a regular basis.

00:56:19.000 Did you watch the UFC this weekend?

00:56:21.000 No.

00:56:23.000 Crazy event.

00:56:24.000 I saw the one guy got DQ'd, right?

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:29.000 That's brutal.

00:56:30.000 Just a straight knee to the face while you're on the ground.

00:56:32.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 Super unfortunate.

00:56:34.000 And one of his coaches was yelling, just punches, just punches.

00:56:38.000 Oh, really?

00:56:39.000 Yeah, Marcos Tomata, his nickname's Parampa, is the jiu-jitsu coach, one of the coaches for American Top Team, and he's yelling out, just punches, just punches.

00:56:48.000 And then someone else in the coach is yelling Russian.

00:56:52.000 In Russian, they're yelling to Piotr, yelling to hit him.

00:56:56.000 And, you know, because he's thinking that the guy's...

00:56:59.000 It's confusing to some fighters when is a downed opponent.

00:57:03.000 A grounded opponent is technically...

00:57:05.000 Well, I'm sure if he's hunched over, it's like, wait, is his knee down?

00:57:08.000 Well, if you have one...

00:57:09.000 Here's the thing.

00:57:10.000 If you have your feet down but one hand down, you're not grounded.

00:57:13.000 If you have two...

00:57:15.000 Maybe Nevada's still...

00:57:17.000 Nevada uses a hybrid version of the new mixed martial arts rules.

00:57:23.000 It used to be anytime you had a hand down at all, you were a grounded opponent.

00:57:28.000 And then they switched it to if you have two hands down, you're a grounded opponent.

00:57:32.000 But if you have a knee down, you're a grounded opponent.

00:57:35.000 So he had a knee and two hands. 0.99

00:57:37.000 So he was fucking grounded. 0.99

00:57:39.000 There was no question about it, he was grounded, but... 0.99

00:57:42.000 I think maybe he thought he was coming up, and Piotr tried to catch him as he was coming up, but it was 100% illegal.

00:57:49.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 So you can see it here.

00:57:51.000 See, he's got one hand down.

00:57:54.000 Yeah, look.

00:57:55.000 He's got one hand...

00:57:56.000 No, it doesn't.

00:57:57.000 Both of his hands are up.

00:57:58.000 Both of his hands are up.

00:57:58.000 So maybe that's what he thought.

00:58:00.000 Maybe it was because the knee was down and both hands were up.

00:58:02.000 He thought he wasn't grounded.

00:58:04.000 Yeah, maybe that's why he was confused.

00:58:06.000 But it's 100% illegal. 0.93

00:58:08.000 That sucks for both of them. 1.00

00:58:09.000 See, if you hear your coach yelling, hit him. 0.99

00:58:13.000 See, even I'm thinking, okay, is that grounded or is it not grounded?

00:58:17.000 I know it's grounded because this has come up before.

00:58:21.000 Because it used to be that when your hands were down, then it was grounded.

00:58:25.000 But then Big John McCarthy explained to me, no, no, no.

00:58:27.000 Anything other than the surface of your feet on your legs.

00:58:31.000 So your knee, if your knee is down, that means you're a grounded opponent.

00:58:35.000 With that guy, is he coming over from a different fighting league?

00:58:38.000 No, he's the champion.

00:58:41.000 There's different versions of the rules.

00:58:43.000 In some places, a grounded opponent...

00:58:47.000 What is the new version of the rule?

00:58:51.000 One of the new versions of the rule is if you are putting weight on your hand.

00:58:56.000 So, like, you can touch it, but you can't...

00:58:58.000 If you have weight on it, then you're a grounded opponent.

00:59:00.000 But if you're just touching, that's not a grounded opponent.

00:59:03.000 I mean, that's...

00:59:04.000 It's too complicated.

00:59:06.000 As soon as you allow opinion to come in, it's like...

00:59:09.000 Well, then there's the debate on, like, was that the right call, bad call?

00:59:12.000 It's like, just...

00:59:13.000 Set up a clear definitive rule.

00:59:15.000 Right.

00:59:15.000 Well, there's other folks that also think, well, why isn't that a legal technique?

00:59:18.000 How come you can punch him in the face?

00:59:19.000 You can't knee him in the face. 1.00

00:59:20.000 This is stupid. 1.00

00:59:21.000 Like, how come you can't kick him in the face? 1.00

00:59:24.000 How come when a guy's lying on his back, he can kick you in the face, but you can't kick him in the face? 1.00

00:59:29.000 Like, that seems stupid, too. 0.99

00:59:30.000 From 2018, Nevada rules on it. 0.99

00:59:32.000 This is the new...

00:59:33.000 Nevada has a hybrid version.

00:59:35.000 They didn't adopt the new grounded rule.

00:59:37.000 I think...

00:59:37.000 Unless they've changed it since this.

00:59:39.000 Yeah, I think it says to be considered grounded.

00:59:42.000 It says a more technical piece of the new rules pertains to that of a grounded opponent which states a fighter must have both of their hands down on the ground whether it be palms or fists for them to be considered grounded unless a knee or anything other than the soles kicks or knee strikes to the head of a grounded striker or a fighter rather Okay,

01:00:11.000 so that's why it's confusing.

01:00:13.000 So, the grounded opponent thing, the fighter must have both their hands down on the ground.

01:00:18.000 That's what it used to be.

01:00:19.000 Whether it be palms or fists, for them to be considered grounded, unless a knee or other than the soles of the feet are down as well.

01:00:26.000 So, either way, he was grounded because there was a knee down.

01:00:30.000 So it was an illegal technique all over the world, that one, that move, which is unfortunate. 0.57

01:00:36.000 I mean, that's got to suck for him.

01:00:38.000 He was winning the fight, too. 0.96

01:00:39.000 That's what sucked.

01:00:41.000 Piotr Jan, it looked like he was starting to gain control of the fight, and I think it was in the fourth round.

01:00:47.000 Was it the fourth round?

01:00:48.000 It was a good fight, though.

01:00:50.000 Really good fight.

01:00:51.000 And I'm sure they're going to have a rematch, and the rematch will be super hyped up.

01:00:55.000 But he had dropped Al Jermaine, and he had taken him down and tripped him, slammed him to the ground a few times, and it looked like he was in control of the exchanges.

01:01:04.000 But still, very good fight.

01:01:06.000 I mean, years ago, a buddy brought me into the gym, and he does...

01:01:10.000 It's up in Vermont, so it's not that crazy serious, but he brought me in.

01:01:16.000 And he asked me, he's like, oh, you know, do you watch any sports?

01:01:18.000 I was like, oh, yeah, I love MMA. And he's like, oh, I do that.

01:01:22.000 Sundays are open mats, if you want to come in and roll.

01:01:25.000 I was like, yes, I'm there.

01:01:27.000 Really?

01:01:27.000 And do you have any experience at all?

01:01:29.000 None.

01:01:30.000 And it was the most fun I've had.

01:01:33.000 And it was just like the most JV elementary version of him.

01:01:39.000 It was my first day.

01:01:40.000 Like he's showing me like, all right, if someone has you like this, you know, clamp your arm here, throw your hips here.

01:01:45.000 And it was so much fun.

01:01:48.000 And then the whole CrossFit thing kind of took off and I was like, all right.

01:01:51.000 I'll put this on the back burner.

01:01:53.000 So you're thinking about doing it now?

01:01:55.000 Now that you're...

01:01:56.000 I mean, not like competing or anything.

01:01:58.000 But training.

01:01:59.000 Just for fun.

01:02:00.000 Just for the workout, the mental challenge.

01:02:02.000 I don't want to warn you, this is how you got into CrossFit.

01:02:07.000 You might go, well, I just went in.

01:02:08.000 I was just a hobby.

01:02:09.000 I was done CrossFit.

01:02:11.000 I said, this will be fun.

01:02:12.000 I'll learn how to choke people. 1.00

01:02:14.000 Next thing you know, you're at the fucking world with white tape on your fingers, warming up. 1.00

01:02:20.000 No, I mean, it's... 0.99

01:02:21.000 I remember watching it, and it's like, how did you not see that kit coming?

01:02:26.000 Like, we all saw it.

01:02:27.000 And then it's like, when you're in there, it's like, oh, my God, there's so much that goes into just throwing a punch.

01:02:32.000 And it's like this whole crazy...

01:02:35.000 Different type of cardio and this grit.

01:02:38.000 It was so cool.

01:02:39.000 The main event Saturday night was really interesting because it was this guy who's the middleweight champion, Israel Adesanya.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, he went up, right?

01:02:45.000 Yeah, who's this really super technical striker and he fought this destroyer, this Jan Blachowicz, who's the light heavyweight champion. 0.88

01:02:52.000 So you got to see this really fast guy who's really good at fainting, setting traps for you against this fucking, just one of the most brutal knockout artists in the sport. 0.97

01:03:03.000 Well, I remember seeing them face-to-face and being like, What the fuck are these two guys doing fighting each other? 0.98

01:03:08.000 Like, this guy looks, like, hot his size. 0.99

01:03:11.000 He's a big fella.

01:03:13.000 Did he just, like, weigh in, like, one pound over...

01:03:15.000 No, no, he didn't even weigh in at the limit.

01:03:19.000 I mean, Stylebender, he usually fights at 185. Yeah.

01:03:23.000 He weighed in for this fight at, I think it was, like, one...

01:03:27.000 What is it?

01:03:28.000 No, no, no, no.

01:03:30.000 It was, like, 200.5.

01:03:32.000 That's what he weighed in.

01:03:33.000 And the weight limit is 205. So Bohovich weighed 205, but not really.

01:03:39.000 He weighed 205 at that moment.

01:03:41.000 For like five minutes.

01:03:42.000 And then he put on...

01:03:43.000 I would imagine Bohovich is walking around at least 225, somewhere around then.

01:03:48.000 So why would he...

01:03:49.000 Want to take that fight.

01:03:50.000 It's a challenge.

01:03:51.000 Just a challenge.

01:03:53.000 I think the real issue in the fight was highlighted when Bojovic took him down.

01:03:58.000 Because then you realize how much bigger and stronger Bojovic is.

01:04:01.000 And he just was pounding on him on the ground.

01:04:04.000 And Israel just couldn't get up. 0.87

01:04:06.000 Yeah.

01:04:06.000 I mean, when you have someone that big, that much bigger than you...

01:04:09.000 It's not just that.

01:04:11.000 Israel is not, his background's a striker.

01:04:14.000 He's a super sophisticated striker, but he's not that sophisticated on the ground.

01:04:20.000 He's good on the ground.

01:04:22.000 He knows how to stop takedowns, and I'm sure he knows how to do a lot of jujitsu.

01:04:29.000 No.

01:04:30.000 And for a guy like Bohovich, who's just...

01:04:32.000 You know, there's this old saying that a great big man will always beat a great small man.

01:04:39.000 Yeah.

01:04:40.000 And it's really true.

01:04:42.000 Size matters.

01:04:43.000 I mean...

01:04:43.000 It just matters.

01:04:45.000 I'm a very surface-level fan of, like...

01:04:47.000 I see the fights, and I'm not following these guys.

01:04:50.000 I don't know their backgrounds or anything.

01:04:52.000 And it's like, I just saw the two of them, like, nose-to-nose, and I'm like...

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:56.000 What's going on here? 0.99

01:04:57.000 Bohovic is so thick, and his power is ridiculous.

01:05:02.000 To put it into perspective, Jon Jones, who's the greatest of all time, he fought this guy Dominic Reyes.

01:05:08.000 Dominic Reyes went five rounds with Jon Jones, and it was a really close fight to the point where some people thought that Reyes should get the decision.

01:05:16.000 Bohovic blew Dominic Reyes out in two rounds. 0.97

01:05:19.000 Beat the fuck out of him. 0.99

01:05:20.000 I mean, beat the fuck out of him. 1.00

01:05:23.000 He had a footprint on his ribcage. 0.98

01:05:26.000 Like this huge red mark on his ribcage from Bohovic. 0.80

01:05:30.000 Kicking him in the body. 0.53

01:05:31.000 And then KOs him.

01:05:34.000 Dominic Reyes was never in danger of winning that fight.

01:05:37.000 It was just a matter of...

01:05:40.000 Just manhandling.

01:05:40.000 Just every time he touched him, you would see the difference.

01:05:43.000 There's guys that just have...

01:05:44.000 That's a weird thing about fighting, in particular striking.

01:05:49.000 Some guys just have this crazy power, and it doesn't make any sense.

01:05:54.000 It's the same in any sport.

01:05:56.000 There's just dudes that have this...

01:05:59.000 It's a grunt force.

01:06:02.000 I've had it with some buddies that are like, we'll train.

01:06:04.000 It's like squatting, benching, Olympic lifting.

01:06:06.000 Our numbers are pretty similar.

01:06:09.000 But then it's like, we'll just kind of wrestle.

01:06:13.000 And it's like, they just manhandled me.

01:06:15.000 A lot of that's technique, though. 0.99

01:06:18.000 Oh no, like we're both like, neither of us know what the fuck we're doing. 0.97

01:06:21.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:06:21.000 But it's like they just have that brute strength, like that farm boy strength. 0.99

01:06:26.000 That's like, what the hell is going on?

01:06:27.000 Farm boy strength's real.

01:06:28.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 You gotta think, if you're throwing bales of hay.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, just awkward objects, medium weight all day long for years and years.

01:06:36.000 That's like kettlebells, right?

01:06:37.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 It's like sandbags.

01:06:39.000 You're kind of doing something.

01:06:40.000 You probably know.

01:06:42.000 What's going on with Jon Jones now?

01:06:44.000 Jon's moving up to heavyweight.

01:06:46.000 Yep, so what's happening is next in two weeks, two and a half weeks, Stipe Miocic is fighting Francis Ngannou.

01:06:57.000 Francis Ngannou is the guy I told you before.

01:06:59.000 Do you know who he is?

01:07:00.000 No. 1.00

01:07:01.000 He's the scariest motherfucker in the sport. 1.00

01:07:04.000 He hits guys and literally knocks them into another dimension. 1.00

01:07:07.000 He's terrifying.

01:07:09.000 And his story is incredible, man.

01:07:11.000 I had him on the podcast.

01:07:12.000 He escaped Cameroon and made it all the way to Europe.

01:07:17.000 Oh, I know this guy.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:18.000 It took him 14 months.

01:07:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:20.000 He got arrested seven times, and every time they would arrest him, they send him to the fucking desert. 0.99

01:07:25.000 So they send him to the Sahara Desert? 0.99

01:07:28.000 What desert is it?

01:07:31.000 Is that it?

01:07:33.000 You look not as convinced as I am. 0.98

01:07:37.000 Whatever the desert was, so they send him all the way to this fucking desert and he makes his way all the way back to Morocco every time. 0.96

01:07:44.000 And they did it seven times. 0.98

01:07:46.000 They caught him and captured him seven times and finally...

01:07:49.000 He made it all the way across to Spain where they put him in jail for two years.

01:07:53.000 So he's in jail in Spain for two months rather, not two years, because the whole thing took 14 months.

01:08:01.000 So it took him a year to get to Morocco, a year to finally get into Spain, then in Spain he was in jail for two months and then finally leaves Spain and makes his way to France.

01:08:10.000 And lived in France as a homeless guy, literally sleeping in a parking lot and working out at a gym, and then finally starts fighting, and then makes his way to the United States.

01:08:19.000 Now he's the number one UFC heavyweight contender.

01:08:22.000 Yeah, I feel like after you do that, life's easy. 0.97

01:08:26.000 It's like, yo, this whole thing ain't shit. 0.82

01:08:28.000 You know what I just went through? 0.97

01:08:30.000 Exactly.

01:08:31.000 They dropped me in the middle of the desert seven times.

01:08:33.000 Whereas, like, you know, he doesn't know how he's gonna get out.

01:08:35.000 Like, he was talking about drinking water that had, like, rotting bodies in it.

01:08:40.000 And you had to, like, filter the water through a t-shirt to drink it or die from dehydration.

01:08:46.000 He had to make up his mind.

01:08:48.000 Pull up...

01:08:49.000 Francis Ngannou KOs Alistair Overeem.

01:08:52.000 This is literally the scariest knockout I've ever seen in my life.

01:08:55.000 He hits this dude with a left hook and puts him in another dimension.

01:08:59.000 You hear stories like that guy, and you're just like, oh, okay.

01:09:03.000 My day's not that bad.

01:09:05.000 I'm complaining about a hangnail or something.

01:09:08.000 Francis is the guy that has the frosted tips, but he's...

01:09:12.000 What an enormous...

01:09:14.000 And he's fighting Alistair Overeem, who's a former K1 champion.

01:09:17.000 Right here.

01:09:18.000 Boom! 0.99

01:09:20.000 Oh my god, just lifted his head right off.

01:09:23.000 But Francis can do that to anybody.

01:09:25.000 Like literally any human alive he could do that to.

01:09:27.000 You're talking about a guy who cuts weight to make 265 pounds. 1.00

01:09:31.000 Look at that fucking KO. Wait, they fight a 265? 0.99

01:09:35.000 265, yeah, but he really weighs about 275, so he has to lose 10 pounds to make the weight class.

01:09:41.000 He's the scariest.

01:09:43.000 Well, he's one of the scariest.

01:09:45.000 Derek Lewis is the other scariest.

01:09:46.000 He's another guy that puts people into...

01:09:48.000 I mean, it's so easy to hear that someone weighs 265, because we all know a fat person that weighs 265, and you're like, oh, okay, it's not that.

01:09:55.000 Not like that.

01:09:56.000 When it's like that...

01:09:57.000 Yeah, sculpted.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, he's a 265 Greek god, and fully natural.

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:03.000 And, you know, Derek Lewis is another guy.

01:10:05.000 He just knocked out Curtis Blades with an equally terrifying one-punch knockout.

01:10:10.000 I was with John.

01:10:11.000 Yeah, and so John is now in the range of 250-plus pounds, and he's weightlifting.

01:10:19.000 He's doing a lot of deadlifts and squats and just packing on the pounds as he gets ready to fight the winner of Stipe Miocic and Francis Ngannou.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, I follow John, and I've actually chatted with him a bit.

01:10:33.000 Like, I think it was like he hit me up and was like, hey, any pointers on this one thing?

01:10:38.000 And I sent him a video.

01:10:41.000 He's doing these deserts or squats. 0.99

01:10:43.000 Did you ever fuck with these? 0.99

01:10:45.000 I have. 1.00

01:10:46.000 Like, especially coming back.

01:10:48.000 What's the benefit of doing these?

01:10:49.000 I think it's just a lot.

01:10:51.000 It's just putting the bar further in front.

01:10:53.000 So it's like just a lot more on your posterior chain.

01:10:56.000 So it's like the further the bar is, the further the weight is away from your center.

01:11:00.000 The more you have to pull back and compensate for it.

01:11:03.000 But I would do stuff like that.

01:11:06.000 I think it was when I was coming back from my back surgery.

01:11:09.000 I was doing them.

01:11:11.000 What did they have to do to fix your back?

01:11:13.000 They basically went in and rebroke it.

01:11:16.000 Dremel tooled the bone.

01:11:18.000 Because it healed, but it didn't heal.

01:11:20.000 Back together.

01:11:22.000 So it's like each bone just kind of calloused over itself.

01:11:25.000 So they went in and Dremel tooled, put in some protein that generated bone growth, and then put in two plates and six bolts.

01:11:35.000 So they...

01:11:37.000 So they said they were like, yeah, we can go back in in a couple years.

01:11:40.000 If the hardware is giving you a hard time, we can go back in and take it out because the bone is going to be healed.

01:11:47.000 But if it's not giving you, if it's not bothering you, we'll just leave it alone.

01:11:51.000 So it just never bugged me enough to go through that surgery.

01:11:54.000 Does it go off at the airport?

01:11:56.000 No, it's...

01:11:59.000 I don't know if it's a different type of metal that doesn't set it off or if it's just not big enough quantity.

01:12:04.000 But I mean, it's just little tiny plates that were just put in to tack it. 0.95

01:12:08.000 It doesn't fuck with you at all? 0.98

01:12:10.000 I mean, I'll have... 0.99

01:12:11.000 If I sleep wrong, I don't know if that's just that I'm 30 now and sleeping can fuck me up.

01:12:18.000 No, I mean, I haven't had any big moments where it was like... 0.99

01:12:23.000 Oh shit. 0.98

01:12:24.000 Something happened. 1.00

01:12:27.000 I mean, I came after the surgery.

01:12:28.000 I went back to weightlifting.

01:12:30.000 I hit personal records.

01:12:32.000 I lifted for another year after I came back from the surgery.

01:12:35.000 And then...

01:12:37.000 I just, like, I trained out of resentment coming back because so many people wrote me off of like, ah, you know, he broke his back, he's done. 0.99

01:12:44.000 And so I basically just trained with, like, the fuck you mentality for, I mean, it was a year before I came back. 0.98

01:12:50.000 So, like, in a full back brace. 0.99

01:12:53.000 Just rehabbing it.

01:12:54.000 And then a year of competing.

01:12:56.000 And so by the time I was done with weight, I rode that until the wheels fell off.

01:13:01.000 Like, resentment is a hot-burning fuel.

01:13:04.000 It's a good motivator, but it burns hot.

01:13:06.000 So you can't use it for too long.

01:13:09.000 Did you have any other significant injuries from CrossFit?

01:13:12.000 From CrossFit?

01:13:14.000 Not really.

01:13:16.000 I think it was like I came into CrossFit with enough of a knowledge base of how to train properly and not just like...

01:13:23.000 Go hard, start flopping my body around.

01:13:25.000 And I changed how I trained over the years because early on, I was still young and I could get away without doing a warm-up or a cool-down or kind of cutting those corners.

01:13:36.000 And then it started catching up with me.

01:13:38.000 So I was like, okay, if I want to make this a career, I need to take it more seriously.

01:13:44.000 I mean, I tore my LCL. Warming up for an event, but I was just doing, like, the pigeon stretch, like, where you put your foot up on a table, and you're, like, kind of pulling... 0.92

01:13:56.000 You feel the pop?

01:13:57.000 Yeah, like, I was pulling on my foot, and I... Oh!

01:14:00.000 And it just, like, let go.

01:14:02.000 And that was actually, like, at a competition.

01:14:04.000 What'd you do?

01:14:06.000 Kept my mouth shut.

01:14:07.000 Wow.

01:14:07.000 I just, like, threw on a couple knee sleeves.

01:14:10.000 Like, I remember...

01:14:12.000 So my mom's a doctor and she's at the competition.

01:14:15.000 I was like, I didn't want to tell anyone.

01:14:17.000 I didn't want to go to the medical team because they might medically pull me if I'm a danger to myself.

01:14:22.000 And so I remember getting my mom and being like, hey, I think I tore something in my knee.

01:14:27.000 Can you check it?

01:14:28.000 And she was like, impossible.

01:14:30.000 You cannot tear your own ligament.

01:14:32.000 You can't do it.

01:14:33.000 And then she was like, okay.

01:14:39.000 Maybe you strained it. 1.00

01:14:41.000 And then it was after the competition, she was like, oh yeah, you definitely tore that shit. 0.99

01:14:44.000 You need to go to the hospital and get a brace. 1.00

01:14:47.000 But I mean, that was just me.

01:14:48.000 That's funny that she said you cannot tear it by doing that.

01:14:52.000 I think she was saying you can't self-implement a torn ligament.

01:14:58.000 She was like, it would hurt too much before it let go.

01:15:02.000 You can't pull it to that point without the pain being too much.

01:15:05.000 Is it possible you were already slightly injured?

01:15:09.000 I don't think so. 1.00

01:15:10.000 I mean, I was an idiot. 0.99

01:15:12.000 I was, like, cranking on it because, like, more is better. 1.00

01:15:15.000 Of course.

01:15:15.000 Like, nothing in moderation.

01:15:18.000 Right, of course.

01:15:20.000 Yeah, so, I mean, it was a loud pop, and then, like, I mean, it's just creepy.

01:15:24.000 How'd you do in the competition?

01:15:25.000 I won it, yeah.

01:15:26.000 I just didn't tell any of my competitors.

01:15:28.000 It was the World Championships.

01:15:30.000 Oh, that's hilarious. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Now they're hearing this going, Fuck! 1.00

01:15:34.000 He's eating Snickers bars, too! 1.00

01:15:36.000 Son of a bitch! 1.00

01:15:38.000 Like, have you ever seen that? 1.00

01:15:39.000 Like, when someone tears the LCL? Like, they just, like, hold their leg up to the side and it just, like, droops in.

01:15:44.000 It looks like the pencil when you do that little, like...

01:15:46.000 Did you have to get surgery?

01:15:47.000 No, so the LCL is, like, one of the few that will, like, regrow or heal itself.

01:15:52.000 So I had to wear, like, a full leg brace for, like, three or four months.

01:15:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:15:57.000 Three or four months.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, it was a while. 0.99

01:16:00.000 It was enough to suck. 0.93

01:16:02.000 That seems like surgery would be a better option. 0.93

01:16:05.000 So they told me the surgery was like a full year recovery.

01:16:07.000 It was equivalent to an ACL or MCL reconstruction.

01:16:12.000 But they were like, so you want to try this brace first.

01:16:14.000 So I just wore pants.

01:16:16.000 And it worked.

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:18.000 Are you guys allowed to use peptides or anything like that?

01:16:21.000 Can you use BPC-157 or anything to heal? 1.00

01:16:24.000 You just said a lot of fucking words. 0.99

01:16:26.000 You don't know about those? 1.00

01:16:27.000 No.

01:16:27.000 Really?

01:16:28.000 I've heard the word peptides, but I just got introduced to what SARMs are not that long ago.

01:16:35.000 And it was because someone got popped for them.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, I just found out about that recently.

01:16:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 Like, oh, he got caught using steroids.

01:16:42.000 And people were like, it wasn't steroids.

01:16:43.000 It's SARMs. 0.98

01:16:44.000 I'm like, oh.

01:16:45.000 It's kind of similar.

01:16:47.000 What is exactly SARMs?

01:16:50.000 Didn't Mark Gordon bring it up?

01:16:52.000 Someone brought it up.

01:16:54.000 I remember, like, I did, like, the quick Google search to, like...

01:16:59.000 Try to figure out what I could from a Google search, but that was the extent of what I went.

01:17:04.000 And basically the summation I got was like, it's basically like a steroid that only affects muscle fiber and not like all your organs.

01:17:12.000 Here we go.

01:17:13.000 What are steroids?

01:17:14.000 Difference number one.

01:17:15.000 Men on steroids may develop breasts.

01:17:17.000 Oh, there we go. 0.96

01:17:18.000 Women will lose their femininity. 1.00

01:17:19.000 SARMs have no such effects.

01:17:21.000 SARMs are more focused on bone and muscle health. 0.99

01:17:25.000 You gain muscle faster on SARMs than ROIDS. Steroids are linked to an increased risk of some cancers, like prostate.

01:17:33.000 SARMs are safer than steroids in this regard. 0.70

01:17:36.000 Sounds like someone's selling SARMs.

01:17:37.000 Sounds great.

01:17:38.000 SARMs are similar to steroids, but they're not one and the same.

01:17:43.000 Both work by binding to your androgen receptors, triggering changes in your DNA, which increase your muscles' ability to grow.

01:17:50.000 Okay.

01:17:50.000 What does it stand for?

01:17:52.000 That didn't pop up.

01:17:54.000 Doesn't say?

01:17:55.000 Let me see.

01:17:55.000 Just, what is a SARMs?

01:17:59.000 No, are they legal?

01:18:00.000 Can you just buy them?

01:18:02.000 So that was this guy's reason.

01:18:04.000 He was like, oh, I just bought it off the internet.

01:18:05.000 How can it be illegal if I just bought it off the internet?

01:18:08.000 Is that real?

01:18:09.000 Selective androgen receptor modulator.

01:18:11.000 You can just buy them?

01:18:14.000 There's a bunch.

01:18:15.000 How crazy is that?

01:18:16.000 If that's what they are. 1.00

01:18:19.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

01:18:20.000 I have a feeling that's not really... 1.00

01:18:22.000 That can't be that.

01:18:25.000 Hmm.

01:18:26.000 Are SARMs safe? 1.00

01:18:27.000 Bodybuilding products that contain selective androgen receptor modulators, or SARMs, have not been approved by the FDA and are associated with serious safety concerns. 0.99

01:18:35.000 Well, that sounds like it's written by a bitch. 1.00

01:18:38.000 Including potential to... 1.00

01:18:39.000 It's like, yeah, there's no fact there.

01:18:40.000 That's your opinion. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Keep that shit to yourself. 1.00

01:18:41.000 Some little pussy, some little weak fuck. 1.00

01:18:44.000 You scared to grow? 1.00

01:18:47.000 No, BBC 157 is something that helps heal injuries.

01:18:51.000 The FDA is talking about banning them because they're super effective.

01:18:55.000 Oh, they're so good at what they do.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, they're really effective at injuries.

01:18:58.000 This is the ISADA website.

01:19:00.000 Okay, are SARMs prohibited?

01:19:02.000 All SARMs are prohibited at all times, both in and out of competition, for all athletes, from those competing at the highest level of sport to those competing at the recreational level.

01:19:12.000 SARMs are listed in the category of other anabolic agents under, what does it say, S1.2 of the WADA prohibited list. 0.99

01:19:22.000 Yeah, I don't mess around with that shit. 0.94

01:19:25.000 Even if I go in to the doctor because I'm sick and he'll give me a script and I'm like, hey, you need to write me three scripts and then I call the drug testing. 1.00

01:19:37.000 Right.

01:19:37.000 Like our liaison for drug testing.

01:19:39.000 I'm like, hey, is this allowed?

01:19:40.000 Nope.

01:19:41.000 Okay.

01:19:41.000 Throw that one out.

01:19:42.000 But now you don't have to do that.

01:19:43.000 So I'm still on the drug testing list.

01:19:45.000 How come?

01:19:47.000 I think it's to prevent people from just like announcing retirement.

01:19:52.000 Oh. 0.99

01:19:53.000 Like, going and doping for six months and be like, guess what, bitches? 1.00

01:19:56.000 I'm back. 0.99

01:19:56.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

01:19:58.000 So I think I have to stay in it for like six months or a year or something.

01:20:01.000 We were talking before about people sending you stuff.

01:20:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:04.000 That you just can't fuck around with anything. 0.99

01:20:06.000 I take none of it. 0.99

01:20:07.000 Yeah.

01:20:08.000 Like, you know, people, they get your address and stuff just starts showing up.

01:20:12.000 Or even like sponsors that are like, you know, if I'm talking to a new something, a company, they're like, I want to, they want to just send you their products to try.

01:20:21.000 And it's like, How do I know you're not sabotaging me?

01:20:25.000 How do I know you're not on that dude's team over there?

01:20:27.000 That's the fear.

01:20:28.000 That's a weird fear that I didn't even consider until you brought it up.

01:20:31.000 You have to worry about someone spiking your stuff.

01:20:34.000 Yeah, and then like...

01:20:35.000 Does that happen?

01:20:35.000 Have you ever heard of that happening?

01:20:37.000 I've heard of people maybe using it as an excuse of like, you know, the tainted supplements or like, oh, this protein was mixed in a vat that was used for this other thing.

01:20:47.000 And it's like, I want to believe you. 0.99

01:20:50.000 But I'm calling bullshit. 0.98

01:20:53.000 There's a guy on YouTube. 0.98

01:20:55.000 His name's Derek, and he's got a channel called More Plates, More Dates. 0.87

01:21:00.000 It's a ridiculous name.

01:21:02.000 But he's very smart. 0.91

01:21:04.000 He's a chemist, apparently, and just brilliant at breaking down what the effects of supplements are, and different steroids, and how they work, and He's just brilliant.

01:21:18.000 And uses them too.

01:21:19.000 The guy's super jacked.

01:21:21.000 But he breaks down a lot of these UFC fighters' claims of tainted supplements. 1.00

01:21:28.000 And he's like, this is how you know that's bullshit. 0.99

01:21:31.000 But he shows it in a way that I don't even think the fucking USADA people understand. 1.00

01:21:36.000 Because his understanding of it is incredibly sophisticated. 0.98

01:21:40.000 And he's breaking down their levels.

01:21:42.000 The levels that they're testing at.

01:21:44.000 And also breaking down the epitestosterone level, the testosterone to epitestosterone.

01:21:50.000 Does he get people off their bands canceled?

01:21:54.000 No, the opposite.

01:21:55.000 The opposite. 0.98

01:21:56.000 He's calling bullshit on people that said, oh, I just accidentally tested positive. 1.00

01:22:04.000 Someone must have spiked my shit. 1.00

01:22:06.000 He's like, uh-uh-uh, this is how you know that's not true. 1.00

01:22:09.000 And here's how you can still cheat.

01:22:10.000 And he was showing how it's possible for fighters to cheat and how even though they think that the USADA protocol is super sophisticated, it's really not.

01:22:21.000 And it'll...

01:22:21.000 Like, the testosterone to epitestosterone ratio, that's another one that, like, gets manipulated.

01:22:26.000 He's like, you can fuck with that. 0.98

01:22:28.000 Like, for sure, a lot of these guys are taking something. 1.00

01:22:32.000 And they can get away with this.

01:22:34.000 And he talks about Paulo Costa and John Jones and a few other people that have been propped.

01:22:39.000 And he's like, here's how you know they were definitely using.

01:22:41.000 No. 1.00

01:22:41.000 Oh shit. 1.00

01:22:41.000 Yeah, and he's, again, his understanding of it is super sophisticated. 1.00

01:22:45.000 So as he's breaking down this stuff, he's doing it like step-by-step, factual, according to science, according to the levels that they were tested at. 0.99

01:22:54.000 Like some of the people in CrossFit, the excuses they're coming out with, it's like, where are you coming up with this shit? 0.97

01:23:00.000 Like what kind of excuses? 0.99

01:23:01.000 Well, so I heard it was this guy who's a lawyer.

01:23:05.000 That, like, as soon as he hears about someone popping, he approaches them and is like, I will get your sentence reduced.

01:23:11.000 Pick out of these seven excuses.

01:23:13.000 Oh, boy.

01:23:14.000 And, like, it's the same packet, and he just changes your name in it, and he sends it off.

01:23:20.000 But it's like, some of the excuses have been, like, oh, my boyfriend was doping.

01:23:25.000 And he shot his doped uploads inside of me. 0.97

01:23:27.000 So one girl said, like, I went down on my boyfriend, and... 0.78

01:23:31.000 One was, I was making out with my boyfriend, and he was taking something that you hold under your tongue for like 15 minutes.

01:23:37.000 Well, one thing that can happen to women is when guys have testosterone cream. 1.00

01:23:42.000 Like, there's testosterone cream, and then if you're sweaty and you're having sex, it can actually get into the woman's... 1.00

01:23:50.000 Yes, that's legit.

01:23:51.000 100%.

01:23:52.000 The one, like, there's been one of, like, oh, I was eating, I ate tainted meat in Iceland.

01:23:58.000 Yeah, one guy in the UFC said he ate kangaroo meat.

01:24:01.000 Dude.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, he ate kangaroo meat.

01:24:04.000 Yeah, and, like, I remember that excuse came out, and it's, like, did some research, and it's, like, tainted meat in Iceland was a thing, apparently.

01:24:10.000 Oh, really?

01:24:11.000 Like, back in the 80s.

01:24:12.000 And it's, like, yo, that hasn't been an excuse in a while. 0.99

01:24:16.000 Like, bullshit. 0.99

01:24:17.000 Didn't Canelo Alvarez have an excuse like that? 1.00

01:24:20.000 He did, right?

01:24:21.000 Tainted meat in Mexico.

01:24:22.000 Did he get popped for something?

01:24:24.000 Listen to me.

01:24:25.000 Canelo Alvarez used to fight at 154 pounds and he went all the way up to 175 and won the light heavyweight title.

01:24:33.000 There is no question in my mind he's on some supplements.

01:24:36.000 I mean...

01:24:38.000 It was my mistake eating meat in Mexico no longer eats beef. 1.00

01:24:43.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:24:44.000 Yeah, he switched to horse meat. 1.00

01:24:45.000 Like, come on, son.

01:24:48.000 Clembuterol, see?

01:24:50.000 But clembuterol is a fat burner.

01:24:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:53.000 He was on some shit. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Yeah, someone in CrossFit just got popped for that, and they were like... 1.00

01:24:58.000 They were like, it's not even a performance enhancer.

01:25:01.000 I'm like, it makes you...

01:25:02.000 I didn't know what it was.

01:25:03.000 I looked it up and it makes you burn fat.

01:25:07.000 I'm like, how is that not a performance enhancer?

01:25:09.000 Yeah, you'd be lighter.

01:25:11.000 Yeah, you're maintaining all your muscle mass but stripping away...

01:25:15.000 All this dead weight.

01:25:17.000 Yeah, I think clambuterol is something that fighters use while cutting weight to maintain mass.

01:25:22.000 I think because it helps them...

01:25:24.000 See if that's...

01:25:25.000 Google that.

01:25:25.000 Because I think that's...

01:25:27.000 Because other fighters have been popped for that as well.

01:25:29.000 And I think that was...

01:25:30.000 I thought when I looked it up, it was a fat burner.

01:25:33.000 Like, it just, like, makes you strip fat, like...

01:25:36.000 Probably does that too, but that's probably how they lose weight without losing mass. 0.95

01:25:41.000 Because a lot of times when guys are losing weight for UFC fights or for boxing matches...

01:25:52.000 Francisco Vargas and Canelo Alvarez tested positive cyclist.

01:25:58.000 Why so many athletes?

01:26:00.000 Athletes at that level, for him, he's earning more money than he can shake a stick at.

01:26:06.000 I understand the appeal to cheating and that.

01:26:10.000 The whole thing with CrossFit, I don't get it.

01:26:12.000 These sports that...

01:26:15.000 There's not the multi-multi-million dollar contract.

01:26:20.000 It says it promotes muscle growth through anabolic properties.

01:26:25.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying. 0.98

01:26:27.000 Canelo Alvarez has some fucking preposterous contract with DAZN. I think it was like hundreds of millions of dollars, right? 0.97

01:26:35.000 Yeah, there was some...

01:26:36.000 Once the pandemic changed it because they can't have fights in arenas, so that was part of the deal, I think.

01:26:41.000 Yeah, there was a little bit of a dispute, but didn't he just fight on DAZN? I think his last fight was on DAZN. He's awesome, though.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, yeah, he was.

01:26:52.000 Yeah, he KO'd that guy on DAZN. That guy, he's phenomenal.

01:26:55.000 I mean, it's not making him a better fighter, but I think...

01:26:57.000 I mean, just watching his videos.

01:26:59.000 Yeah.

01:26:59.000 Like, just his head movement.

01:27:01.000 Incredible.

01:27:02.000 Unreal.

01:27:03.000 Unreal.

01:27:03.000 Canelo Alvarez-Dazone agreed to a minimum $365 million contract for five years.

01:27:09.000 Woo! 0.99

01:27:10.000 11 fights.

01:27:12.000 Whee! 1.00

01:27:13.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:27:15.000 $365 million. 0.99

01:27:15.000 That's a hell of a payday. 0.99

01:27:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:18.000 Damn. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Minimum. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:20.000 Depending upon... 1.00

01:27:20.000 Man, I got into the wrong shit. 1.00

01:27:22.000 Nah, but you didn't though, dude. 1.00

01:27:23.000 Look at you.

01:27:24.000 You're here.

01:27:24.000 Coming from weightlifting...

01:27:25.000 Your brain works.

01:27:26.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 Coming from weightlifting, getting into CrossFit, I count my blessings every day.

01:27:31.000 I'm like, this is fantastic.

01:27:31.000 Is there a lot of loot in CrossFit?

01:27:35.000 For most, no.

01:27:37.000 Is the money in the victory?

01:27:39.000 Is it in the prize money or is it in sponsorships?

01:27:42.000 Sponsorships.

01:27:43.000 I mean, every contract's different how you set it up.

01:27:46.000 So, I mean, you can set them up well if you've got a good manager or agent.

01:27:53.000 I mean, the biggest competition we have every year is $300,000 and there's only one winner.

01:27:58.000 And what does everybody else get?

01:28:00.000 Nothing?

01:28:00.000 I think it goes like $300,000.

01:28:02.000 I think this last year I went to second place with $105,000.

01:28:06.000 So like $300,000 is nothing to scoff at as an annual salary.

01:28:10.000 But when you're rolling the dice, training all year at a maybe...

01:28:15.000 I can get rough, especially if you twist your ankle on day one and you have to pull out.

01:28:22.000 But I mean, coming from weightlifting where there is zero money coming to CrossFit, I remember my first couple contracts, they're like a grand a year, two grand a year type thing. 0.94

01:28:32.000 I'm laughing all the way to the bank because I'm like, holy shit, you're going to give me $1,000 and free protein? 0.95

01:28:38.000 I'm in! 0.95

01:28:42.000 Well, that's why it was funny for you to just enter into these competitions, just to pick up a couple hundred bucks here.

01:28:46.000 Yeah, the first competition was like 500 bucks, and the next one was like a grand, and then it's like 2 grand, 4 grand, 10 grand, and it's like...

01:28:54.000 Next thing you know, you're the world champion.

01:28:56.000 I didn't have a bank account.

01:28:57.000 I would have to sign the check over to my mom, and she would go cash it. 0.99

01:29:00.000 I mean, shit like that. 1.00

01:29:02.000 That's wild. 0.99

01:29:02.000 I'm driving around New England, and this 1988 Oldsmobile, this car I bought for $300, it is a hoopty, and I'm just like, I'm loving life. 0.99

01:29:14.000 I was a full-time college student.

01:29:16.000 I looked at this as like a side hustle.

01:29:19.000 Isn't it funny when you look back on those days, not a care in the world, just struggling?

01:29:23.000 It's the most romantic times.

01:29:25.000 Just eating ramen noodles.

01:29:28.000 After a workout, it's like, man, I'm real hungry.

01:29:32.000 I remember going...

01:29:34.000 If I had a group project or something I had to work on after training, I would stop at this gas station on the way back.

01:29:41.000 I would get a pepperoni stick and a gallon of whole chocolate milk.

01:29:45.000 And just like go to the library, meet up with whoever I need to meet up with.

01:29:49.000 And it's like pepperoni stick to make me feel like I was chewing on something.

01:29:52.000 Like the gallon of milk had like 1600 calories and just scarf that down.

01:29:56.000 And like, all right, cool.

01:29:57.000 Three bucks, $3 dinner.

01:29:59.000 Wow.

01:30:00.000 You know, looking back at moments like that, it's like, all right, those are the times I want to remember.

01:30:06.000 Like when you're struggling, like I was living in my parents' basement, just... 0.98

01:30:10.000 I didn't give a fuck. 0.98

01:30:11.000 It was awesome. 0.98

01:30:12.000 But you got through it and became successful.

01:30:14.000 That's why those moments are cool.

01:30:15.000 If you're 40 and that's what you're doing, right?

01:30:18.000 That's not fun.

01:30:20.000 It's only fun when you're on the launching pad.

01:30:22.000 When you look back and you think about struggling and how you got by when you were young.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, I mean, like, I have those fond memories with weightlifting, too.

01:30:29.000 And, like, I was never successful.

01:30:30.000 Like, I won, like, junior nationals and shit like that.

01:30:34.000 But, like, I never made a world team or, like, the senior world team or had any records or anything.

01:30:39.000 But, I mean, like, yeah, you know, working out in the dingy basement, you know, you're making this weight set just work because it's what you have.

01:30:46.000 You know, it's not, there's no other option.

01:30:47.000 So it's like, there's no, like, I wish I could have this better, this better.

01:30:52.000 It's like, no, that's what you got.

01:30:53.000 Either you work with it or you don't. 0.50

01:30:55.000 I mean, those times, they're fucking awesome. 0.80

01:30:58.000 They're fucking awesome because you became super successful. 0.95

01:31:01.000 I'm excited for finding that again. 0.78

01:31:04.000 What do you think you're going to do?

01:31:05.000 You're so young.

01:31:07.000 31 years of age.

01:31:08.000 You can still do things athletically.

01:31:10.000 You can still do career-wise.

01:31:12.000 You can pick and choose.

01:31:14.000 I'm excited.

01:31:15.000 There's a couple projects in the works of as soon as I announced my retirement, a lot of it was because I was like, alright, I've put so much of my life on hold to just Strike while it was hot. 0.96

01:31:27.000 Alright, I'm ready to do other shit other than just these killer rowing intervals and going to bed at a bedtime, a wake-up time, all this shit.

01:31:36.000 What do you think you're going to do? 0.96

01:31:38.000 You know, so the first thing I did was like started release my programming.

01:31:42.000 You know, I've played my cards so close to my chest for so long because I was like, I'm doing shit that I know other people aren't doing in my training.

01:31:52.000 So I don't want to tell people about it.

01:31:53.000 And it's like every other CrossFit athlete, every time they hit a PR, they do something new.

01:31:58.000 They post about it on Instagram to get some likes. 0.99

01:32:01.000 I haven't said shit. 0.96

01:32:02.000 And so the day I retire, I'm like, dude, I'll tell everyone. 0.97

01:32:05.000 I don't care.

01:32:05.000 I don't need it anymore.

01:32:06.000 Here you go.

01:32:08.000 So that was like a project that I partnered with some people down in Miami that they're using their platform to do that.

01:32:16.000 So how are they releasing it?

01:32:17.000 Are they releasing it like it's a subscription thing?

01:32:20.000 Yeah, a subscription.

01:32:21.000 So it gets released April 1st.

01:32:23.000 Oh, okay.

01:32:24.000 But it was just like they already did it for powerlifting, powerlifting, Olympic weightlifting, bodybuilding, like uber successful in that side.

01:32:33.000 They built this amazing platform.

01:32:35.000 And then I'm like, I don't want to mess around with a website.

01:32:38.000 I don't want to mess around with inputting all this data.

01:32:42.000 I'm good at programming, and I know how to do that well.

01:32:45.000 So here you go, and then you do your thing.

01:32:50.000 Yeah, so doing that with Hybrid down in Miami.

01:32:54.000 Partnered up with some buddies that have been in the CrossFit space for a long time for a sports nutrition company.

01:33:00.000 Some people from the sports nutrition world, some people that have been in the CrossFit space for a long time.

01:33:06.000 It just seemed like a fun project to do.

01:33:08.000 We're like, hey, let's see what we can build this thing into.

01:33:12.000 So that's getting launched in a couple months.

01:33:14.000 Yeah, just kind of like I had all these opportunities and I don't know how to manage my time because I've only done this one thing for so long.

01:33:25.000 And so as soon as I announced my retirement, all these opportunities flooded.

01:33:30.000 And I was like, I'm going to pick my two favorite, take these.

01:33:33.000 Alright, put everything else on the back burner.

01:33:36.000 I was like, let me figure out these two things.

01:33:38.000 And once the ball's rolling on them, I'll pick up the next two things.

01:33:43.000 Did you know before you entered into the last world championship that that was going to be your last one?

01:33:47.000 Oh, I tried to retire a year ago.

01:33:49.000 I tried to retire after my fourth win.

01:33:52.000 I was sitting on the dock a week after.

01:33:55.000 I was up in my camp.

01:33:56.000 And the guy who was coaching me at the time called me.

01:34:00.000 He's like, hey man, how you doing?

01:34:01.000 We're having a nice little chit-chat.

01:34:02.000 And he's like, What's your plan?

01:34:04.000 What's your travel schedule?

01:34:05.000 When do you want to start training?

01:34:07.000 And I was like, oh, no, no, no.

01:34:10.000 I'm done.

01:34:12.000 He's like, what?

01:34:13.000 I was like, oh, no.

01:34:14.000 I retired, dude.

01:34:15.000 I'm good.

01:34:15.000 I won four in a row.

01:34:17.000 I'm happy.

01:34:19.000 I'm done.

01:34:20.000 And he's like, oh, okay, okay.

01:34:22.000 And then he hangs up.

01:34:23.000 And then five minutes later, I get a call from my buddy, my manager and agent.

01:34:28.000 And he's like...

01:34:29.000 Hey, buddy.

01:34:30.000 How you doing?

01:34:31.000 I'm like, Shane just called you, didn't he?

01:34:33.000 He's like, yup, you doing okay?

01:34:35.000 And he was like, you'll hate yourself when you're 40 if you don't go for one more.

01:34:40.000 Why?

01:34:42.000 Because the previous record was four.

01:34:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:34:46.000 And so he was like, you can't just tie that.

01:34:49.000 What happens to most guys when they stop?

01:34:52.000 Do they own gyms?

01:34:54.000 I think a lot of them...

01:34:55.000 Well, right now, it's like...

01:34:58.000 Nobody else has been competitive and retired.

01:35:01.000 They're all still...

01:35:03.000 We're good to go.

01:35:28.000 I'm out.

01:35:28.000 I've seen some articles about some guys that are still in it and struggling and a lot of meniscus injuries.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 A lot of...

01:35:37.000 I mean, that seems to be a big one that comes up a lot.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, I think it's kind of like the natural thing of like, you know, you're putting yourself into these susceptible positions.

01:35:46.000 And then if you don't have the technical foundation to back it up, like, yeah, you're...

01:35:51.000 Something probably going to let go.

01:35:54.000 Something's going to fall into a bad angle.

01:35:56.000 And just now you're putting like such a heavy load on it.

01:35:59.000 Something's going to pop or break.

01:36:01.000 And you think that's what it is?

01:36:02.000 It's like your foundation and understanding movement better...

01:36:05.000 I've been doing Olympic weightlifting since I was 12. So, I mean, I'm going on like 19 years now.

01:36:12.000 You just must have fucking dynamic tension. 0.99

01:36:14.000 I mean, tendon strength, though, from all those years of fucking doing shit like that. 0.99

01:36:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:19.000 I mean, I would imagine. 0.99

01:36:21.000 I'm sure there's part of it of like my body is adapted to it.

01:36:24.000 Yeah, it has to be, right?

01:36:25.000 Doing like full squat snatches, clean and jerks, squats, everything.

01:36:30.000 Like, I've been doing this for 19 years. 0.98

01:36:33.000 My knees are fucking great. 0.99

01:36:35.000 Knock on wood. 0.99

01:36:36.000 That's crazy.

01:36:36.000 We'll see.

01:36:37.000 But thankfully, when I started Olympic weightlifting, my coach was just hammered.

01:36:44.000 Technique, technique, technique.

01:36:46.000 And when you're 12, 13, you're full of piss and vinegar.

01:36:48.000 You want to load up that barbell.

01:36:50.000 And it's like...

01:36:52.000 Like, yo, I want to go hard.

01:36:53.000 I want to impress the girls in the gym.

01:36:55.000 Let me put on some big plates.

01:36:57.000 And he's like, nope.

01:36:58.000 Keep lifting that broomstick, buddy.

01:37:01.000 Well, you should thank that guy.

01:37:02.000 Oh, I have.

01:37:04.000 Many times over.

01:37:05.000 It's so hard to rein kids in.

01:37:09.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:09.000 I mean, it can't be fun for him to just constantly take the weight off that bar.

01:37:16.000 Your technique wasn't perfect.

01:37:17.000 Do it again.

01:37:18.000 So do you think that from now on you'll only be doing things athletic?

01:37:22.000 Or do you think you'll try to do other stuff as well, like in terms of your future?

01:37:27.000 I think the natural progression is to do something in the CrossFit space.

01:37:33.000 So, you know, like the Sports Nutrition Company.

01:37:36.000 We're starting out with the basic supplements and nutrition guides, stuff like that.

01:37:43.000 But, you know, I'm passionate about coffee.

01:37:47.000 I would love to get something in the coffee world.

01:37:51.000 It has nothing to do with CrossFit, it's just I've been passionate about espresso and all these different beans.

01:37:56.000 Once you start learning about it, It's a whole different world that you had no idea existed.

01:38:01.000 Like, you got a nice little machine back there. 0.98

01:38:04.000 Yeah, that machine's always fucking up, though, man. 0.72

01:38:06.000 The coffee's great, though. 0.78

01:38:07.000 Have some of this.

01:38:08.000 This is Black Rifle. 1.00

01:38:09.000 Black Rifle coffee's great shit. 1.00

01:38:12.000 But the machine sucks. 1.00

01:38:14.000 Really? 0.99

01:38:15.000 Yeah, it's supposed to be really good, but it keeps breaking.

01:38:17.000 You're not cleaning it, or what?

01:38:19.000 Yeah, we clean it.

01:38:21.000 It gets cleaned.

01:38:23.000 It just breaks.

01:38:25.000 Tricky, right?

01:38:26.000 Yeah, I mean, that machine, most people will give their left arm to have that in their house.

01:38:30.000 Really?

01:38:31.000 Oh, yeah, that's a nice one.

01:38:32.000 Okay.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, a little Linnea Mini.

01:38:34.000 Black Rifle just gave it to us.

01:38:35.000 We didn't even ask for it.

01:38:36.000 I didn't even know it was coming.

01:38:37.000 Yeah.

01:38:38.000 I mean, that is like...

01:38:39.000 In terms of home machines, that's like cream of the crop right there.

01:38:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:38:42.000 Well, Evan Hafer, the owner of Black Rifle, he's like a super coffee nerd.

01:38:46.000 Yeah.

01:38:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:47.000 I mean, I'm good buddies with Evan.

01:38:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:38:50.000 Yeah.

01:38:50.000 Oh, all right.

01:38:50.000 There you go.

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:51.000 When we were down here, I was down in Austin for like...

01:38:55.000 All of last December.

01:38:57.000 And, like, tried lining up a trip with him.

01:38:59.000 I mean, a whole crazy story.

01:39:01.000 Like, anytime I come to Texas, like, I'll hit up Matt.

01:39:04.000 So last year I was in Texas.

01:39:05.000 I stayed with Matt.

01:39:07.000 And then this year I was like, I don't want to be a nuisance to Matt every time I'm in Texas.

01:39:11.000 Stay with him.

01:39:11.000 So I hit up Evan.

01:39:13.000 I'm like, yo, going to be in town.

01:39:15.000 Can I crash with you?

01:39:15.000 He's like, absolutely.

01:39:16.000 Come on by.

01:39:18.000 And then, like, talking to another buddy.

01:39:20.000 And he was like, what do you mean you're staying with Evan?

01:39:21.000 He lives in Utah.

01:39:23.000 I was like, he said I could stay at his house.

01:39:25.000 And I ended up staying out at this ranch that...

01:39:29.000 Yeah, he's got a ranch out here.

01:39:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:30.000 Oh, that place is the creepiest fucking place I've ever been. 1.00

01:39:33.000 Is it? 0.99

01:39:33.000 Dude, it's like 27 bedrooms. 0.99

01:39:35.000 It was built in the 60s, I think they said.

01:39:39.000 And nothing has changed.

01:39:41.000 Same furniture.

01:39:42.000 You know, that's where all the NASA astronauts used to go to?

01:39:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:45.000 Like, we're walking around this...

01:39:47.000 It looks like a motel out on like a couple thousand acres. 0.98

01:39:51.000 And I was like, where the fuck are we right now? 0.98

01:39:54.000 So I got out there. 0.98

01:39:56.000 So we thought we were going to Evan's house because he never told, he's like, you can stay at my house.

01:40:01.000 Here's the address for my house.

01:40:03.000 Well, it is a house and he does own it.

01:40:04.000 Yeah.

01:40:05.000 He's out here sometimes.

01:40:07.000 And so then he's like, oh, I'm not there.

01:40:08.000 I'm like, well, dude, I didn't come out here to stay at like a cool retreat.

01:40:13.000 I came out here to see you. 0.98

01:40:14.000 Like, I don't give a fuck about this place. 0.99

01:40:17.000 And so we get there. 0.98

01:40:20.000 We pulled in at like 10 or 11 p.m.

01:40:23.000 There's no lights.

01:40:24.000 You can't see anything.

01:40:26.000 And it's like, I mean, what is it, like 14,000 square feet, this place?

01:40:31.000 And the dude is like giving us a tour.

01:40:34.000 And he's just, like, there's wings of the house.

01:40:37.000 I'm getting lost in this place.

01:40:39.000 And then he just leaves, and it's just Sammy and I in this house. 0.99

01:40:43.000 And I'm like, this is the creepiest fucking place I've ever been. 0.98

01:40:46.000 Because there's, like, all the mounted heads on the wall from all the animals. 0.99

01:40:50.000 And, like, this place is a time warp into 1960s.

01:40:54.000 Does it have photos of the astronauts in the vault?

01:40:56.000 Yeah, everywhere.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, so like, you're like, am I in a museum right now?

01:40:59.000 Like, what is this?

01:41:00.000 And then we were the only ones there.

01:41:02.000 No one else in Black Rifle was there.

01:41:04.000 So we're just hanging out and Sam, I was like, hey, you good?

01:41:08.000 And she's like putting on a brave face.

01:41:09.000 Like, yeah, I'm good.

01:41:10.000 I'm like, yo, this place creeps me the fuck out.

01:41:13.000 I called up Matt the next morning.

01:41:15.000 I was like, yo, we're coming over.

01:41:16.000 That's funny.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, that's a big hunting ranch.

01:41:21.000 They take a lot of guys out there hunting.

01:41:23.000 But, you know, I wonder how many animals they're going to have out there now because Texas' deep freeze killed so many animals.

01:41:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:31.000 I mean, thousands of animals.

01:41:34.000 Crazy.

01:41:34.000 I was reading an article about a ranch that lost 2,000 Axis deer.

01:41:39.000 They froze to death.

01:41:41.000 Jesus.

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 Like, a lot of the ranches out here lost all of their Axis deer.

01:41:45.000 I've kind of cracked up.

01:41:47.000 Living in Tennessee for the last couple years, coming from Vermont, Tennessee, if they were expecting frost the next morning, they would cancel school.

01:41:57.000 And coming from Vermont, I'm like, what are you talking about?

01:41:59.000 I remember being at the bus stop with snow drifts taller than me and you just shiver and you're miserable.

01:42:05.000 And then it's like, once you realize, oh, they don't have plows, they don't have roads, none of the houses are equipped for this, nothing.

01:42:12.000 And then you even go further south.

01:42:14.000 I remember seeing Tim Kennedy, all his pipes froze.

01:42:20.000 In Vermont, it's like, no, the houses are built to withstand winter.

01:42:23.000 Down here, it's like, no, winter doesn't exist.

01:42:27.000 Well, what we had was super unusual.

01:42:29.000 Once every 120 years, they were saying, it gets that kind of freeze.

01:42:33.000 It was strange.

01:42:35.000 Driving around was strange.

01:42:36.000 I grew up in Boston, so I'm used to driving in the snow.

01:42:40.000 Snow tires. 0.99

01:42:41.000 Yeah, I just know how to drive and that kind of shit. 0.99

01:42:44.000 And I have a Toyota Land Cruiser. 0.98

01:42:46.000 Yeah.

01:42:46.000 So it's four-wheel drive.

01:42:47.000 I know how to drive and that stuff, and it handles it well.

01:42:51.000 But I was watching people slide into curbs and just didn't know what to do.

01:42:55.000 They'd lived in Texas their whole life, never even been in snow.

01:42:58.000 Yeah, I remember being down in somewhere in Texas a couple years ago, and they got like one-inch skiff of snow.

01:43:05.000 And it was like the towns were shut down for like three days.

01:43:07.000 And I'm sitting there like as a Vermonter like...

01:43:10.000 Because Vermonters laugh at the snow that they get in Boston.

01:43:13.000 I'm like, throw some chains on your tires and get out there, you know?

01:43:17.000 Nobody has chains.

01:43:18.000 Nobody has plows.

01:43:20.000 Nobody has chains.

01:43:20.000 Yeah, like the towns don't own a salt truck.

01:43:23.000 That's foreign. 1.00

01:43:24.000 No, no plows, no salt trucks.

01:43:26.000 There's some plows, apparently, up in the northwest of the state.

01:43:32.000 You can get some plows.

01:43:33.000 Because they get fairly regular snow up there, so they have plows.

01:43:37.000 So they try to use some of those.

01:43:38.000 It's just a wild world of like...

01:43:40.000 Winter doesn't exist.

01:43:41.000 Well, what's wild is a week and a half later, it was 80 degrees.

01:43:45.000 Yeah.

01:43:45.000 That's wild.

01:43:46.000 Yeah, I mean, like Vermont gets those weather swings of like...

01:43:49.000 Do you get more now up there because of global warming?

01:43:53.000 Is global warming real?

01:43:55.000 Allegedly.

01:43:56.000 If you talk to the liberals.

01:43:58.000 I've heard terrible things.

01:44:00.000 But I remember walking around college campus, and it's just sub-zero for so long, and it's the first 40-degree day.

01:44:08.000 And everyone's walking around in shorts and t-shirts, just like, this is great!

01:44:12.000 I know, right?

01:44:13.000 Yeah.

01:44:14.000 I remember that about Boston, too.

01:44:15.000 But I think there's something real good in growing up like that.

01:44:18.000 Because it makes you appreciate warm weather.

01:44:21.000 Living in California, everybody's spoiled.

01:44:24.000 It's like they won the weather lottery.

01:44:26.000 So they got all this money and they don't appreciate it and they just spend it like crazy.

01:44:30.000 No, it's like they inherited the weather money.

01:44:33.000 Yeah.

01:44:33.000 That's what it's like.

01:44:34.000 Because they don't understand.

01:44:35.000 If you grow up in a place like Vermont, those winters are ruthless.

01:44:40.000 And so when spring rolls around, the birds are chirping, the sun's out, you're like...

01:44:43.000 Oh, this is great.

01:44:44.000 You don't waste a nice day.

01:44:46.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:44:47.000 If it's sunny out, especially early spring, like mud season, it's like you're out hiking, you're out taking advantage.

01:44:53.000 I think that's good for people.

01:44:55.000 I think it's really good for people to grow up like that.

01:44:57.000 Yeah.

01:44:58.000 In particular. 1.00

01:44:58.000 As you get older, I understand when people move to Florida, they're like, fuck this. 1.00

01:45:02.000 I mean, I remember growing up, and I always said, like, oh, I'll move south. 0.97

01:45:05.000 Like, I have no connection to Vermont.

01:45:07.000 I don't care, any of this.

01:45:09.000 And then it was like, we left, we moved down to Tennessee, and we were gone maybe a year, and we went up to visit. 0.98

01:45:14.000 And I remember just driving and being like, shit, I miss this. 0.97

01:45:19.000 Like, I miss the trees. 0.99

01:45:20.000 Like, the whole state looks like a park.

01:45:22.000 Yeah, it does.

01:45:23.000 It's incredible. 0.99

01:45:24.000 And I was like, shit. 1.00

01:45:25.000 It's beautiful. 1.00

01:45:26.000 This is home.

01:45:27.000 You know, Bernie Sanders and I were talking about this, and he's like, it keeps people from moving up there.

01:45:31.000 That's the thing, is that the cold weather, the winter, the snow and everything, the good thing about it is it keeps...

01:45:37.000 There's a very low population up there.

01:45:39.000 How many people live in Vermont?

01:45:41.000 What is it?

01:45:42.000 Let's guess.

01:45:43.000 Let's guess.

01:45:44.000 In the state, half a million?

01:45:45.000 300,000?

01:45:46.000 Yeah, that sounds about right.

01:45:47.000 I think it's about 300. Yeah, I mean, it's not cheap.

01:45:50.000 It's a million?

01:45:52.000 600?

01:45:54.000 623,000.

01:45:55.000 Really?

01:45:56.000 Huh.

01:45:56.000 I was way off.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, but it is so pretty up there.

01:46:00.000 So gorgeous, and it's like, growing up there...

01:46:05.000 Like, you don't realize how health conscious everyone is.

01:46:07.000 Like, doing sports and activities is normal.

01:46:10.000 And then, like, you go down to where it's like people live off Mountain Dew.

01:46:15.000 Right. 1.00

01:46:16.000 And you're like, holy shit. 0.99

01:46:17.000 Isn't that interesting? 0.98

01:46:18.000 A lot of times that's based around university towns.

01:46:22.000 Because Vermont is also a university.

01:46:25.000 Burlington in particular, right?

01:46:26.000 Yeah, a bunch of colleges there.

01:46:28.000 Yeah, that's the same thing with Boulder, Colorado.

01:46:31.000 You know, Boulder, Colorado is a university town as well, and people are super active.

01:46:36.000 Yeah.

01:46:36.000 I mean, I don't know if it's an education thing, if they're more intelligent, or if they're just, you know, kids that did sports and stuff.

01:46:41.000 I think it probably just has a lot to do with the natural landscape, too.

01:46:44.000 That, too, yeah.

01:46:45.000 I know, like, when I was training, it was like...

01:46:47.000 Most gyms, on the weekend, they're packed.

01:46:51.000 Vermont, empty.

01:46:53.000 Really?

01:46:54.000 During the summer, they're out mountain biking because all the ski hills open up for mountain bikes.

01:46:59.000 And then during the winter, everyone's out skiing.

01:47:02.000 That's what people do for entertainment. 0.86

01:47:04.000 They're being physically active.

01:47:06.000 And then moving down...

01:47:08.000 You take a walk through a southern Walmart and it's like, oh my god.

01:47:13.000 Guys, stop.

01:47:14.000 Not good.

01:47:15.000 Why are you putting this in your body? 1.00

01:47:17.000 Yeah, well, there's some weird stereotypes about people from the South, too, about them being dumb. 0.99

01:47:24.000 And a lot of that, unfortunately, comes from hookworm. 0.98

01:47:28.000 I don't know if you know that.

01:47:29.000 No.

01:47:43.000 There was an epidemic of hookworm in the South where people would walk around barefoot, they'd get these parasites that would get into their body, and they would radically affect cognitive function. 1.00

01:47:56.000 And it legitimately made them exhausted and stupid. 0.99

01:48:01.000 It's hookworm. 1.00

01:48:03.000 No shit. 1.00

01:48:04.000 Who told us that? 1.00

01:48:05.000 That seems like an outrageous rumor that just got traction.

01:48:08.000 No, it's real.

01:48:09.000 It was more than half the population was infected by hookworm at one point in time.

01:48:13.000 Wow.

01:48:14.000 Until they realized what was going on. 1.00

01:48:15.000 And so there was this stereotype about really stupid people from the Deep South, and that is entirely where it came from. 1.00

01:48:21.000 These poor people were infected by a terrible parasite that was robbing them of their energy. 1.00

01:48:27.000 If over half the population is doing that, it's going to stick.

01:48:31.000 Pull something up on that, on cookware.

01:48:33.000 It's really crazy.

01:48:34.000 When you find out about it and you realize that these people, like no one had any idea what was going on. 1.00

01:48:39.000 And they just thought, guys, people down here are fucking stupid. 1.00

01:48:41.000 Meanwhile, you're just seeing these poor folks are just infected by this parasite. 1.00

01:48:45.000 More than half the population. 0.95

01:48:47.000 Jesus.

01:48:47.000 Yeah, it's nuts.

01:48:49.000 Because it's real common for the kids to be walking around How a worm gave the South a bad name.

01:48:55.000 Hookworms once sapped the American South of its health, yet very few realize they continue to affect that.

01:49:02.000 They continue to afflict millions. 1.00

01:49:05.000 That's the worm, that creepy little fucking disgusting worm. 1.00

01:49:11.000 We're good to go. 1.00

01:49:27.000 And an impenetrable haziness of the mind that some called stupidity. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Adults neglected their fields and children grew pale and listless. 1.00

01:49:36.000 Victims developed grossly distended bellies and angel wings, emaciated shoulder blades accentuated by hunching, all gazed out dully from sunken sockets with a telltale fish-eyed stare.

01:49:51.000 I mean, think about any movie that's making fun of deep South Southerners.

01:49:58.000 That description is it. 1.00

01:49:59.000 It's fucking nuts, man. 0.99

01:50:01.000 Yeah, and the culprit behind the germ of laziness, as the South's affliction was sometimes called, was, how do you say that, Nicator Americanis, the American murderer, better known today as Hookworm. 1.00

01:50:14.000 Millions of those blood-sucking parasites lived, fed, multiplied, and died within the guts of up to 40% of the population, stretching from southeastern Texas to West Virginia. 0.99

01:50:25.000 Hookworms stymied development throughout the region and bred stereotypes about lazy, moronic southerners. 1.00

01:50:31.000 Isn't that nuts? 1.00

01:50:32.000 Wow. 1.00

01:50:33.000 Without seeing it in writing, you'd hear that rumor and just be like, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:50:39.000 Yeah, you're just making some shit up. 1.00

01:50:41.000 That isn't real. 0.99

01:50:42.000 I wish I remember who told us.

01:50:44.000 I was looking for the clip about it on the podcast.

01:50:47.000 Tell us who it was.

01:50:48.000 I forget who told us.

01:50:49.000 The first story I found was Michael Yeo last year, but it seems like we...

01:50:53.000 I think we were telling him that.

01:50:55.000 I think I was telling him that.

01:50:57.000 Somebody told me, and I remember like, what?

01:51:00.000 It might have been Rhonda Patrick. 0.99

01:51:02.000 I don't remember.

01:51:04.000 But yeah, that's what happened, man.

01:51:06.000 These poor people. 1.00

01:51:07.000 So you go down there and you see them drinking Mountain Dew and being stupid. 1.00

01:51:10.000 That's where all that shit came from. 1.00

01:51:12.000 And then those people, because it took a long time for them, for fucking centuries, people were living like this. 1.00

01:51:19.000 Yeah, for them to figure it out. 0.98

01:51:20.000 Peter Hotez.

01:51:20.000 Ah, there we go.

01:51:21.000 That makes sense.

01:51:22.000 He's brilliant.

01:51:24.000 He's a doctor.

01:51:26.000 And he's actually a specialist in infectious diseases.

01:51:29.000 He's another one who told me that people that live in jungle climates, like in southern, really hot climates, almost all of them are infected by parasites.

01:51:41.000 Because they just live with parasites.

01:51:43.000 Yeah.

01:51:43.000 That's scary.

01:51:45.000 Fucking nuts. 0.99

01:51:46.000 We're over here worried about this one, and I'm sure someone else over there is just like, you're scared of what? 1.00

01:51:53.000 Yeah, you're scared of what?

01:51:54.000 A little cough?

01:51:54.000 Yeah.

01:51:55.000 I didn't even get a cough.

01:51:56.000 I just lost my taste and smell.

01:51:59.000 That's it?

01:51:59.000 I worked out every day.

01:52:01.000 I was perfectly fine.

01:52:03.000 Just couldn't taste anything.

01:52:05.000 Yeah, Jamie had a little sinus infection.

01:52:08.000 Yeah.

01:52:08.000 It was super mild.

01:52:12.000 I took the precautions of like, alright, I'm going to quarantine and keep to myself.

01:52:16.000 But it worked out every day.

01:52:18.000 Perfectly fine.

01:52:19.000 Energy was fine.

01:52:20.000 Yeah, well, that's the type of person, you're the type of person that doesn't get hit with it, you know, because you're fit. 0.94

01:52:26.000 But, you know, we've had some problems with UFC fighters, because these fucking guys trained so goddamn hard, and they were training with COVID, and they kept getting deeper and deeper into their system, because their immune system was breaking down. 0.92

01:52:39.000 Because there's a difference between just working out and training for a fight. 0.98

01:52:43.000 And when these guys are training for a fight, they're like, you know, they're literally breaking their body down to almost nothing and then trying to build it back up.

01:52:50.000 Yeah, and I have to assume, like, if there's a virus in the air, it's like the amount of volume that is moving from their lungs.

01:52:57.000 When you're breathing heavy like that, and it's like...

01:53:00.000 People try to compare of like, oh yeah, I go to the gym and I'll do cardio.

01:53:03.000 It's like, no, no, no.

01:53:05.000 You don't do that.

01:53:08.000 It's like where you're gasping.

01:53:10.000 You're out there speed walking, bro.

01:53:11.000 Exactly, right, man?

01:53:12.000 Crushing six-minute miles.

01:53:14.000 Yeah, well, the other thing is these guys are literally breathing in each other's mouths because they're training together.

01:53:19.000 Such close proximity.

01:53:20.000 They're wrestling and they're doing jiu-jitsu and they're on top of each other or they're sparring, kickboxing, they're clinching.

01:53:25.000 I mean, they're infecting each other.

01:53:27.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 When it gets in the gym, it usually just burns right through the whole gym.

01:53:32.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:53:34.000 But the thing about it is in these gyms, the vast majority of the people that are smart and know that they have it, it doesn't become a big deal at all. 0.99

01:53:41.000 It's a big deal.

01:53:43.000 One of the things they found out recently was 78% of the people that were hospitalized in America with COVID were overweight.

01:53:49.000 Yeah.

01:53:50.000 78%.

01:53:51.000 Yeah.

01:53:51.000 That's crazy.

01:53:53.000 It just breaks your immune system.

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:55.000 Yeah, your body is dealing with so much...

01:53:57.000 So much other shit before that gets there, and then it's not working optimally. 0.98

01:54:01.000 Yeah, out of the people that died from COVID, 94% of them had something else going on. 0.98

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 94% of them had an average of 2.6 comorbidity factors.

01:54:12.000 I remember seeing...

01:54:13.000 It was like...

01:54:15.000 Whatever the acronym is for whatever the company that's putting out all these stats.

01:54:21.000 And I was like, oh, only 6% of the deaths that were reported.

01:54:25.000 I think it was the CDC. Yeah, there it is.

01:54:27.000 Only 6% just had COVID. That's crazy.

01:54:33.000 It's crazy. 0.95

01:54:33.000 And it's like, you just scared the shit out of so many people. 0.95

01:54:37.000 Well, so many people needed the shit scared out of them, but what drives me crazy is they didn't do anything other than wait for a vaccine. 1.00

01:54:42.000 So many people stayed fat, stayed lazy, keep eating shit. 1.00

01:54:46.000 And I've talked to people like that, and I sat across from them, and they're like, can't wait for the vaccine. 1.00

01:54:51.000 I'm like, well, you know, you could be out there fucking drinking water. 0.99

01:54:54.000 How about work out, you slob? 1.00

01:54:57.000 Jesus Christ, you're just waiting for someone to inject you with a vaccine? 0.98

01:55:00.000 I mean, we were talking about this when I first got here, of like...

01:55:05.000 I mean, for me, I'm like, I don't buy the first generation of a phone, a car, nothing.

01:55:10.000 I'm like, no, you go work out the kinks. 1.00

01:55:12.000 You figure out what's wrong with that shit. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Now it's like a vaccine comes out. 1.00

01:55:15.000 I'm like, no, I'm not sticking that in me.

01:55:17.000 I'm like, you go work out the kinks. 0.99

01:55:18.000 I understand why people want people to take the vaccine.

01:55:21.000 I understand that they want people to achieve herd immunity.

01:55:24.000 But what I don't understand is the lack of acknowledgement that this disease is not what we thought it was this time last year.

01:55:33.000 It's not nearly as deadly.

01:55:34.000 And for people that are healthy, it's not a big deal.

01:55:38.000 That's a horrible thing to say if you hear it and someone you love died.

01:55:41.000 And I'm sorry.

01:55:42.000 But it's true.

01:55:44.000 Jamie got it.

01:55:44.000 He was sick for a day.

01:55:45.000 I didn't even get it.

01:55:46.000 My whole family got it and I didn't get it.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:50.000 Like you don't test positive for the antibodies or anything?

01:55:52.000 Dude, I can test it every day.

01:55:53.000 I was testing twice a day. 0.99

01:55:55.000 No shit. 1.00

01:55:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:57.000 It's not that thing that we were worried about.

01:56:01.000 The thing that we were worried about was going to kill a giant percentage of the population.

01:56:04.000 You hear when people say, it's killed half a million Americans.

01:56:08.000 Half a million Americans have died with COVID. Yeah, and it's a tragedy.

01:56:12.000 But what's even more of a tragedy is that there's not an emphasis on keeping people healthy.

01:56:18.000 The emphasis is only on social distance, wear three masks, wait for a vaccine.

01:56:23.000 Dude, I was in the airport not long ago and saw someone wearing two masks. 0.99

01:56:27.000 I was like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:56:28.000 A lot of people wearing two masks. 0.99

01:56:29.000 They're asking people to wear two masks in California.

01:56:32.000 That's a thing. 0.99

01:56:33.000 The same guy that the fucking governor of California is literally asking... 0.99

01:56:36.000 This is the guy that closed down outdoor dining with no data at all. 0.99

01:56:40.000 There's no data that says any outdoor dining is spreading COVID. Not only that, he got busted eating indoors with no mask.

01:56:47.000 How is that not enough?

01:56:48.000 He just implemented the rule of you cannot eat at a restaurant.

01:56:53.000 And then he immediately is at a restaurant.

01:56:57.000 With no mask on.

01:56:58.000 That is infuriating.

01:57:00.000 He was telling people to put a mask on in between bites of food.

01:57:04.000 And he wasn't doing it.

01:57:05.000 And now, recently, he's telling people to wear two masks.

01:57:09.000 And not only that, the cases are dropping, the deaths are dropping, the people that die from COVID, because they do have much better treatments and much better understanding of what to do.

01:57:19.000 One of the things they used to do initially was put people on ventilators immediately.

01:57:22.000 And then they realized in New York City that 80% of the people they put on ventilators died.

01:57:27.000 Yeah, it's not good.

01:57:28.000 Ventilators, in that particular situation, ventilators are not good.

01:57:32.000 Because ventilators, apparently, they blow people's lungs out. 0.95

01:57:35.000 People were having a problem with their lungs getting fucked up from the ventilators. 0.93

01:57:40.000 And then also, my friend Michael Yeo, who got it, his doctor was smart and didn't put him on a ventilator, but he said to him, Hey, if I put you on this ventilator, you're going to die. 0.94

01:57:48.000 Because your lungs are going to stop working.

01:57:50.000 Your lungs are going to want this machine to work for you. 1.00

01:57:54.000 Damn. 1.00

01:57:54.000 Yeah, like, I know nothing about any of the medical backside of this shit. 1.00

01:58:00.000 All I knew was, like, when it first happened, for the World Championships at CrossFit, like, we couldn't compete at the Games unless we had a negative COVID test. 0.96

01:58:10.000 So I just stayed home for months.

01:58:12.000 I trained at home.

01:58:14.000 I have a sauna and ice bath in the backyard.

01:58:16.000 Massage table in the living room.

01:58:18.000 I just stayed home.

01:58:19.000 How did you get massaged?

01:58:21.000 Did you worry about getting COVID from your masseuse?

01:58:24.000 Just trying to limit exposure.

01:58:26.000 The masseuse I was using has a couple kids that are in school.

01:58:30.000 And it's like, alright, well, I'm just going to try to cut that out for now.

01:58:34.000 But Sammy would do a lot of my body work on me. 0.78

01:58:37.000 Where do you think you got it from?

01:58:39.000 Oh, when I did get it last December?

01:58:41.000 Oh, I mean, I was at a hunt camp with like 17 people and none of us cared.

01:58:47.000 It was like the group chat comes out like three days later.

01:58:50.000 It was in December?

01:58:51.000 Yeah.

01:58:52.000 So you got it real early.

01:58:53.000 Yeah, like over...

01:58:56.000 Yeah, it was like this last Christmas.

01:58:58.000 Oh, this last Christmas?

01:59:00.000 Yeah, like three or four months ago.

01:59:01.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:59:02.000 So you were over it, and you're like, fuck it, I'm just going to act on it. 0.98

01:59:04.000 Yeah, so I was super cautious leading into that competition, and then as soon as I got the negative test, I was like, okay, cool. 0.99

01:59:13.000 I'm still being cautious when I meet someone that they're not as healthy enough.

01:59:20.000 As they could be. 0.99

01:59:22.000 But for me, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:59:24.000 I'm like, alright, cool. 0.99

01:59:25.000 Got it.

01:59:26.000 Lost my taste.

01:59:26.000 Lost my smell.

01:59:27.000 That sucks. 0.98

01:59:27.000 For how long did you lose your taste and smell? 0.98

01:59:30.000 It was enough time that I got concerned that if it was ever coming back.

01:59:34.000 I think it was probably like three weeks.

01:59:37.000 Zero taste.

01:59:38.000 Like, could not tell the difference between coffee and water.

01:59:41.000 Wow.

01:59:41.000 It was weird.

01:59:42.000 How weird is that?

01:59:42.000 It was so weird.

01:59:44.000 How'd you know you were getting it back?

01:59:46.000 Smell a fart or something?

01:59:47.000 No, I think it was just my coffee in the morning.

01:59:50.000 Oh, okay.

01:59:50.000 I was still drinking coffee just because, like...

01:59:53.000 Like, I wanted the caffeine.

01:59:55.000 Right. 1.00

01:59:56.000 But I think I was like, I think I took a sip and I looked at Sam like, oh shit. 0.99

02:00:00.000 I think I can taste it a little bit. 0.98

02:00:01.000 Out of nowhere.

02:00:01.000 I think I can taste it a little bit.

02:00:03.000 So I was like, okay, it's coming back.

02:00:04.000 That's a huge relief.

02:00:05.000 What a weird side effect, you know?

02:00:07.000 Real prevalent.

02:00:09.000 It was...

02:00:10.000 I can't even describe it.

02:00:12.000 And, you know, like, you can't smell anything.

02:00:14.000 So, like, Sammy would look at me and be like, hey, like, you should shower. 1.00

02:00:18.000 I'm like, the fuck you mean? 0.99

02:00:19.000 She's like, you're starting to smell a little bit. 1.00

02:00:21.000 I'm like, oh...

02:00:22.000 Whoopsies.

02:00:23.000 Sorry, sweetheart.

02:00:24.000 That's hilarious.

02:00:26.000 Yeah, it's a little...

02:00:28.000 I understand people wanting to be cautious.

02:00:31.000 I understand people wanting others to take precautions, and I agree with all that.

02:00:35.000 We all should, and that's one of the reasons why I test every day.

02:00:38.000 And also one of the reasons why I heavily supplement.

02:00:41.000 I mean, I take everything. 0.99

02:00:43.000 Quercetin, and fucking zinc, and high levels of vitamin D, and C, and K2, and fucking... 1.00

02:00:52.000 Fish oil and everything and I'm on testosterone and I'm taking a lot of shit. 1.00

02:00:58.000 You're a walk-in pharmacy. 1.00

02:00:59.000 Yeah, and on top of that I'm going into the fucking sauna every day at 185 degrees for 25 minutes and then on top of that I'm doing cold showers. 0.99

02:01:06.000 Yeah, I'm just My body's... 0.97

02:01:08.000 And I know when things are weird.

02:01:10.000 And when people in my house got sick, I had two days where my workouts were weird.

02:01:14.000 Two days where I was like, hmm, I feel a little shitty today.

02:01:17.000 So I was just going to go through the motions.

02:01:19.000 When you're so in tune with it, and then it's like there's just like a grain of sand in the gear, and you're like, something's not right.

02:01:25.000 Exactly.

02:01:25.000 Something's not right.

02:01:26.000 But what frustrates me is the concept that a lot of people who don't take care of themselves were pushing, which is that you can't do anything.

02:01:33.000 About this.

02:01:34.000 Like your immune system is not going to help you.

02:01:36.000 Nothing's going to help you.

02:01:37.000 Which is nonsense.

02:01:37.000 Because we all know that some people get it and some people don't.

02:01:41.000 Right?

02:01:42.000 Some people are around.

02:01:43.000 What is that?

02:01:44.000 Some people get it and they get over it quickly.

02:01:46.000 Some people don't.

02:01:47.000 Well, what is that?

02:01:48.000 Well, that's your immune system. 0.71

02:01:49.000 That's 100% your immune system.

02:01:51.000 Some people get it and it's a terrible experience.

02:01:54.000 Some people get it and it's very mild and almost nothing.

02:01:56.000 What is that?

02:01:57.000 That's your immune system.

02:01:59.000 And for some people, it's not their fault.

02:02:00.000 They have issues.

02:02:01.000 They have diabetes.

02:02:02.000 They have all sorts of things and they didn't see it coming and they got sick.

02:02:06.000 Not blaming the people who got sick.

02:02:08.000 What I'm upset about is this weird narrative that people who don't take care of themselves...

02:02:13.000 They push is that whatever you do, you just need to get vaccinated.

02:02:18.000 You need this because otherwise you're going to get it and it's going to kill you. 1.00

02:02:21.000 It's going to fuck you up. 1.00

02:02:22.000 But it's not. 0.99

02:02:23.000 I don't understand.

02:02:24.000 It's not true.

02:02:25.000 I understand if you want to quarantine, if you want to wear two, three masks, go for it.

02:02:30.000 Do whatever floats your boat.

02:02:32.000 Do whatever you want.

02:02:32.000 Dude, I haven't seen my parents in a year.

02:02:35.000 Really?

02:02:35.000 My parents are super cautious about it.

02:02:38.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:02:39.000 Yeah, they were living in Phoenix. 1.00

02:02:41.000 They were locked down down there, and they didn't go near anybody.

02:02:46.000 They'd get their groceries delivered.

02:02:47.000 It was so rough.

02:02:49.000 It was rough.

02:02:49.000 Yeah.

02:02:50.000 But, I mean, what am I going to do?

02:02:51.000 Say, don't live like that?

02:02:53.000 But they started this approach...

02:02:56.000 When we all thought, you know, way back in February of last year, we thought that this was going to kill 10% of the population. 0.99

02:03:04.000 Now I know my fucking neighbor, he's 80. He was sick for four days. 0.99

02:03:08.000 Got some IV vitamins and he said about four days later he started feeling good.

02:03:12.000 He's 80. Damn. 1.00

02:03:13.000 He's 80. Yeah. 1.00

02:03:14.000 I don't understand, like...

02:03:17.000 If I don't care, and I'm not hurting anyone else, what's going on?

02:03:20.000 Well, people, they get angry at you.

02:03:23.000 They, like, health shame you.

02:03:25.000 I get it.

02:03:26.000 I get where they're coming from.

02:03:28.000 I do understand.

02:03:29.000 And I feel terrible for someone who has neglected their health, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, you're forcing a situation like, hey, I know you didn't plan for this, but now here's something that's going to radically test your immune system, and if you're not ready, you could die.

02:03:45.000 It's not fair. 0.81

02:03:46.000 It's not fair for them because they were operating under this assumption that, hey, I can eat fucking cheeseburgers and drink shakes and not exercise ever and not take vitamins ever and I'll be okay. 0.91

02:03:57.000 Because for the most part, you could be okay. 0.92

02:03:59.000 And then all of a sudden something comes along that tests you.

02:04:02.000 I mean, like, what's your definition of okay?

02:04:05.000 Right.

02:04:05.000 Well, it's not how you want to be or how I want to be.

02:04:08.000 No.

02:04:08.000 Dude, like, I... In my off-season, I take a month of like, I'm not training, I'm not watching my diet, nothing.

02:04:16.000 Just like you have a fuck-off month? 0.99

02:04:18.000 Like, incredibly. 0.99

02:04:19.000 Do you love it?

02:04:21.000 I love it for like a week.

02:04:22.000 But you only love it because you work so hard.

02:04:25.000 I only love it because I know what's around the corner.

02:04:29.000 I know I'm getting back into it.

02:04:31.000 So it's like even during my training week, I have one day off.

02:04:34.000 One complete day.

02:04:36.000 I don't get off the couch. 0.98

02:04:39.000 I wake up, have my coffee, and I lay on the couch, and I'm like, I'm not doing shit. 0.84

02:04:44.000 Just watch TV and chill? 0.93

02:04:45.000 Just watch Netflix all day.

02:04:48.000 When I know I'm training the very next day, I know what I'm doing in 24 hours.

02:04:53.000 I'm going to be killing myself in the gym, so I want to do as little as possible right here. 0.94

02:05:00.000 If I know I have a week off after competition, there's no fucking way I'm sitting on a couch for that long. 0.91

02:05:07.000 I'm like, no, I feel like I'm wasting. 0.73

02:05:08.000 I'm wasting my potential.

02:05:10.000 I'm wasting my day.

02:05:11.000 I'm wasting my life.

02:05:11.000 I'm not progressing in any way.

02:05:13.000 So it's the same as like after competition, after the big one, I take a month off minimum.

02:05:21.000 And it's like I eat junk food, and for the first couple days it's like, oh, this is a treat, this is nice. 0.99

02:05:27.000 Dude, after like six days, seven days, when you start getting a bit of a jiggle, and you feel slow, you're tired, and you're like, dude, fuck this. 0.97

02:05:38.000 Do you exercise at all during that time off? 0.97

02:05:41.000 None.

02:05:41.000 Nothing?

02:05:42.000 Nothing.

02:05:42.000 Not even go on walks?

02:05:43.000 No. 1.00

02:05:45.000 Fuck no. 1.00

02:05:46.000 Like, when I say I take time, I don't stretch, I don't roll out, I don't do anything. 1.00

02:05:53.000 Wow.

02:05:54.000 What is it like the first day back after that?

02:05:56.000 Rough.

02:05:58.000 Every year.

02:06:00.000 The first week back.

02:06:03.000 The first week back, I'll get on the rower because I'm so familiar with that.

02:06:07.000 I know how to suffer on that rower or on a bike or something.

02:06:12.000 Every year, I'll get back on.

02:06:15.000 I'll pull some 500s with built-in rest, whatever.

02:06:20.000 I went too far this year.

02:06:23.000 I went too far to the dark side and I lost all my fitness because I'm doing these workouts that are like a warm-up for me a month ago.

02:06:32.000 And then it's like, I stop halfway through the workout, and I'm just hurting, and I'm like, there's no way I can come back from this. 1.00

02:06:41.000 I'm fucked. 0.94

02:06:43.000 And then it's like, you just keep coming back day after day and just chipping away at that block and getting your fitness back bit by bit. 0.99

02:06:48.000 Do you ever say to yourself when you do chip yourself back and you are struggling, do you ever say, next time I'm not doing this?

02:06:55.000 Every year.

02:06:56.000 Every year I'm like next time when I take my month off it's like every other day I'll go for like a 10 minute jog or like do some squats with like 135 pounds something super easy but like just to not let myself backpedal this much so I have to dig myself out of this hole but on the other side it's like I enjoy doing that because if you're just operating up here all the time By the end of my career,

02:07:25.000 I'm going for like one pound PRs.

02:07:27.000 I'm going for one second PRs.

02:07:29.000 Well, it's not very gratifying when you kill yourself for a year and then you put on two and a half pounds.

02:07:33.000 So it's like, no, I'll let myself slide all the way back until I'm like this lump on the couch that I just hate.

02:07:39.000 And it's like, I want to look forward to eating healthy.

02:07:42.000 I want to look forward to having a bedtime.

02:07:44.000 Like staying up until 2 a.m.

02:07:46.000 watching Netflix.

02:07:47.000 I can do that all day long.

02:07:49.000 Like just...

02:07:49.000 How long does it take before you're back 100%?

02:07:54.000 A couple weeks.

02:07:55.000 Two weeks.

02:07:56.000 Yeah.

02:07:57.000 Yeah, like usually, like, so the competition season starts with the open, like the online competition, and it's one workout per week.

02:08:05.000 I'll usually start doing cardio, like hammering cardio stuff, like a week or two ahead, but I won't do a CrossFit workout until, like, usually the first workout that's announced.

02:08:16.000 And then over that five weeks, like the first week is usually my lowest score.

02:08:21.000 The second week is my second lowest score.

02:08:23.000 And then usually by week four or five, I can grab a worldwide win.

02:08:27.000 But it's like, it comes back quickly. 0.99

02:08:28.000 It sucks. 0.99

02:08:29.000 It's painful. 0.99

02:08:30.000 It hurts a lot.

02:08:31.000 But it's like, you just keep coming back day after day, hammering an air bike or a rower.

02:08:37.000 And then like doing the recovery work too.

02:08:39.000 Because it doesn't matter what movement I do.

02:08:42.000 I'm going to be so crippling sore the next day.

02:08:46.000 Like my back squat, like in season I'm squatting just shy of 500 pounds.

02:08:52.000 I can do sets of 10 with 135 and I'll be walking peg-legged for like two days.

02:08:56.000 Wow.

02:08:57.000 Um...

02:08:58.000 Yeah, so I'm doing sauna sessions, ice bath sessions, all that stuff.

02:09:02.000 What is your protocol for sauna and ice bath?

02:09:05.000 I usually do like 15 minutes in the sauna.

02:09:10.000 It'll vary depending on what the temperature is outside, but usually like 190-200 degrees, I'll try to squeak out 15 minutes.

02:09:17.000 Are you doing it in one of those barrel outside saunas?

02:09:20.000 Yeah.

02:09:20.000 Do you like that?

02:09:21.000 I love that thing.

02:09:23.000 It's like one of the best purchases.

02:09:25.000 Saunas are awesome, aren't they?

02:09:26.000 I'll never go back to not having a sauna.

02:09:30.000 Daniel Cormier uses a sauna outside.

02:09:34.000 He's got a barrel sauna outside in his backyard and he uses it at night when it's dark out.

02:09:38.000 Yeah, me too.

02:09:39.000 He says it's so creepy.

02:09:41.000 He goes, you just got this one little window that you're looking for.

02:09:43.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a super thin door.

02:09:45.000 I think it's listed as a four-person, but it's like...

02:09:48.000 Come on.

02:09:49.000 If you're in there with one other person, you better be comfortable with that person.

02:09:52.000 Right.

02:09:52.000 Because you're close.

02:09:54.000 But, I mean, it gets...

02:09:55.000 It's DC's sauna.

02:09:56.000 Yeah, there's DC's sauna.

02:09:57.000 Yeah, so mine's even...

02:09:58.000 He says it gets dark out there.

02:10:00.000 He goes, his wife shut off the light of the porch.

02:10:03.000 He has to open the door. 1.00

02:10:04.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

02:10:05.000 Turn that light back on. 1.00

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:06.000 So mine's identical to that, but it's even shorter.

02:10:09.000 So it's like 6 feet.

02:10:10.000 That looks like an 8 foot one.

02:10:11.000 Those are so awesome though.

02:10:13.000 I can't recommend saunas enough.

02:10:15.000 I have one inside the house.

02:10:17.000 And then right next to it, I have just a deep freeze in one of those plastic garden sheds.

02:10:23.000 Yeah.

02:10:24.000 It's a deep freeze, and I just ran caulking around all the seams, filled it up with water, put a thermostat in there, like an auto.

02:10:30.000 So would you keep it at, like 33 or 34 or something like that?

02:10:33.000 No, no.

02:10:33.000 I found when I was putting it down that low, it would ice over, and it was just working the engine a lot.

02:10:41.000 It was working the compressor.

02:10:42.000 So I think I keep it at 38. I think it cuts off at 37 and it'll kick on at like 41 or something.

02:10:51.000 It's fucking cold. 0.95

02:10:53.000 And how long are you doing that? 0.99

02:10:55.000 Depending on what my training looks like.

02:10:57.000 But usually between 3 and 5 minutes.

02:10:59.000 And I'll go back and forth between the sauna and ice bath like 3 times.

02:11:02.000 In the middle of the winter, it was 35 degrees out, and I would just get in my pool because my pool doesn't have a heater.

02:11:08.000 And I fucked up once, and I got in there for too long.

02:11:11.000 I was in there for like seven minutes, somewhere around there, and I had a hard time getting out. 0.99

02:11:16.000 I was like, oh shit, this is a problem. 0.87

02:11:19.000 My legs weren't working. 0.99

02:11:20.000 I had a friend over training, and we were going back and forth, and she comes in, and her lips are blue.

02:11:27.000 And I was like, were you in the ice bath this whole time?

02:11:29.000 She's like, yeah, like 10 minutes.

02:11:31.000 I'm like, oh my god, no.

02:11:33.000 She could die!

02:11:34.000 I'm like, your lips are blue and she was going all the way in. 0.86

02:11:38.000 Oh no!

02:11:40.000 Yeah, so like, if I'm...

02:11:42.000 In the middle of a training week, I'll always end on hot.

02:11:47.000 So I'll do the ice bath and finish on the hot.

02:11:49.000 If I'm going into a rest day, I just full-fledged, right up to the neck, end on cold.

02:11:54.000 I feel amazing, but I'm always afraid that my muscles are tense.

02:11:58.000 So I'll end on cold if I'm going into a rest day.

02:12:01.000 So you're worried that, like, climbing out, you could pull something or something?

02:12:05.000 I mean, just, like, if the next day I'm going into training, like, if things are still tight, like, I want to have some time to, like, loosen back up before I get into another training session.

02:12:14.000 So do you do, like, 15, 3, 15, 3, back and forth?

02:12:18.000 Yeah.

02:12:18.000 How many times do you do it?

02:12:19.000 Usually two or three.

02:12:20.000 Like, if I'm doing, like, three sauna sits, I'll do, like, I mean... 0.87

02:12:25.000 Once you're coming out of the ice bath, it's amazing because you can have that sauna up at 200 plus and you don't feel shit.

02:12:31.000 You're just getting the nice tinglys from all the blood starting to flow again.

02:12:35.000 But yeah, I'll usually do minimum 30 minutes of intervals in the sauna.

02:12:40.000 It really is amazing how effective that is to do those things.

02:12:43.000 I remember reading the stats of you sleep better after a sauna if you do it at night, and then it boosts your natural HGH. And I was like, I'm sold.

02:12:53.000 Anything to help that?

02:12:54.000 Well, they did a study out of Norway that Dr. Rhonda Patrick told me about.

02:12:58.000 They did this study where they showed that four times a day, I think the protocol was 170 degrees for 20 minutes, and They got a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality, meaning 40% decrease in heart attacks, strokes,

02:13:14.000 cancer, because of the amount of heat shock proteins your body generates. 0.99

02:13:19.000 No shit. 0.97

02:13:20.000 Not a big deal, but I think it's Finland, not Norway. 0.99

02:13:22.000 Thank you.

02:13:23.000 Finland.

02:13:23.000 I'll remember that now.

02:13:24.000 Some icy place where they speak weird.

02:13:28.000 Finland.

02:13:29.000 So it's just massively healthy for your body.

02:13:33.000 Yeah.

02:13:34.000 But, you know, for a lot of folks that don't have one in their house or can't have one in their house, it sucks during COVID because, you know, you can't even go to the gym and use one.

02:13:41.000 Yeah.

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:42.000 And like when I was in Vermont, like the gym that had one was like stone throw from my house.

02:13:47.000 But then when I moved to Tennessee, I was like...

02:13:50.000 I don't know where Asana is.

02:13:51.000 And there happened to be a sauna store in that town.

02:13:55.000 Oh, wow.

02:13:55.000 And it was...

02:13:56.000 I remember, like, going in and, like, people, like, poke their head out from the back, like, from offices.

02:14:01.000 They're like, can we help you?

02:14:02.000 So, yeah, I'm looking for Asana. 1.00

02:14:04.000 They're like, holy shit. 0.99

02:14:05.000 We got one. 0.99

02:14:05.000 They're like, we haven't had a customer in here in years. 0.99

02:14:09.000 They're like, we do all of our sales online.

02:14:10.000 They just sell drugs.

02:14:12.000 And so they're...

02:14:14.000 They were like, yeah, we're actually closing the store because nobody in this town wants saunas.

02:14:19.000 And we do all of our business online.

02:14:21.000 That's crazy.

02:14:21.000 So they're like, you want one of our demo models?

02:14:24.000 I was like, yep. 0.98

02:14:25.000 Dude, in the countdown show for this past weekend's UFC, Jan Blachowicz is from Poland, where it's obviously cold as fuck. 0.99

02:14:32.000 And he just, this is what a savage this guy is. 0.99

02:14:35.000 He just goes out to the lake and punches a fucking hole in the ice and climbs in there. 1.00

02:14:41.000 Like a fucking viking. 1.00

02:14:43.000 It's awesome. 1.00

02:14:44.000 Once you get used to it, people their first time getting a cold bath, they're freaking out.

02:14:49.000 They're tense.

02:14:50.000 You see them dip a toe in, they run away.

02:14:53.000 Dude, now? 1.00

02:14:54.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:14:55.000 You just tell yourself, no, everything's going to be okay. 1.00

02:14:58.000 Just relax.

02:15:00.000 Look at this guy.

02:15:00.000 Look how comfortable he looks too, though.

02:15:03.000 He's such a savage. 0.99

02:15:05.000 I fucking love that dude. 0.99

02:15:08.000 Now that you know about him too, watch some of his fights. 0.99

02:15:11.000 It's like his bones are made out of rock or something.

02:15:15.000 It's weird.

02:15:16.000 They're just a different version of a human.

02:15:18.000 Yeah, he's a Viking.

02:15:19.000 100%.

02:15:20.000 That's old school Viking genes. 0.51

02:15:22.000 When he hits people, it's different.

02:15:24.000 It's like he hits guys and you can see them just like, boom! 1.00

02:15:27.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:15:29.000 I mean, it's so funny. 1.00

02:15:30.000 Like, so many of the CrossFit competitors are from Iceland.

02:15:33.000 Oh, of course.

02:15:34.000 And powerlifters from Iceland, too.

02:15:36.000 And I know, like, the one that I'm really close with, Katrin, like, every time I see her, give her a big hug, and, like, she goes both hands over.

02:15:44.000 She's just, like, got these broad shoulders on her, and it's like, how are we the same thing, you know?

02:15:51.000 Like, you're just this different breed of a human.

02:15:55.000 How about the Mountain from Game of Thrones?

02:15:57.000 He's an Iceland guy, too.

02:15:58.000 Have you ever met him?

02:15:59.000 No.

02:16:00.000 He's so big.

02:16:01.000 Dude, I met him and it was like, I felt like my brain short-circuiting because he was so tall and so big.

02:16:13.000 You can't comprehend it.

02:16:15.000 He's 6'10".

02:16:16.000 When I met him, he was 6'10", 440 pounds.

02:16:20.000 6'10", 440?

02:16:22.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 That's so crazy.

02:16:24.000 And through his shirt, you could see his abs.

02:16:28.000 And, like, we're in, like, this big circle.

02:16:31.000 We're at a dinner.

02:16:32.000 And, like, they're going around introducing, like, hey, Thor, this is so-and-so, so-and-so.

02:16:36.000 And, like, he's shaking everyone's hand.

02:16:38.000 And, like, just shaking this, like, bear claw of a mitt.

02:16:43.000 It was, like, how?

02:16:45.000 Yeah.

02:16:46.000 And then everywhere he goes, he has his father and his grandfather with him.

02:16:51.000 He's the shortest of the three.

02:16:53.000 Jesus!

02:16:54.000 Yeah.

02:16:55.000 Like, his father's like an inch taller, and his grandfather's another inch taller.

02:16:59.000 It's crazy.

02:17:02.000 That's Vikings, man!

02:17:04.000 I remember meeting him and Brian Shaw, and it's like, you guys are 400 pounds plus.

02:17:09.000 Thor's 440. What the fuck? 0.99

02:17:14.000 Like... 1.00

02:17:17.000 Yeah, look at him.

02:17:18.000 It was dad and his grandfather.

02:17:20.000 That's crazy.

02:17:22.000 Yeah, last time I was with Thor, I was at a competition, and he was about to go.

02:17:27.000 He was competing.

02:17:28.000 And so I'm talking to my buddy Rob.

02:17:31.000 He just finished the event.

02:17:34.000 And so I'm like, alright, Thor's about to go.

02:17:35.000 I won't say hi.

02:17:37.000 He's getting ready.

02:17:38.000 And we're in this little circle of people and Thor's sitting right on the outside and it's just like this tree branch.

02:17:46.000 This tree trunk just reached through and just gave me knuckles.

02:17:49.000 And I was like, sup Thor? 0.99

02:17:52.000 Fucking huge human. 0.99

02:17:54.000 Did you ever see what he used to look like? 1.00

02:17:56.000 Before he got giant?

02:17:57.000 Before he got thick?

02:17:59.000 No.

02:17:59.000 He was thin, like a basketball player.

02:18:01.000 Same with Brian Shaw.

02:18:03.000 You see Brian Shaw's high school basketball photo, and it's like, oh, you're 6'8", and not this wide.

02:18:13.000 Like a basketball player.

02:18:14.000 Yeah.

02:18:15.000 And then they just...

02:18:16.000 Lifted weights.

02:18:17.000 Get huge.

02:18:18.000 Eat everything.

02:18:19.000 Eat lambs.

02:18:20.000 Dude.

02:18:20.000 Yeah.

02:18:21.000 Those guys' diets are...

02:18:24.000 What is that?

02:18:25.000 Oh my god.

02:18:26.000 Is that what he used to look like?

02:18:27.000 2006?

02:18:29.000 2009?

02:18:29.000 He went trans for a little bit?

02:18:31.000 And then 2015?

02:18:33.000 I mean, you see him now.

02:18:35.000 Like, he's lost...

02:18:36.000 I would love to know how much weight he's lost now.

02:18:38.000 Oh, has he lost weight?

02:18:39.000 Oh, he's way down.

02:18:41.000 Oh, really?

02:18:41.000 Because he's doing a boxing match.

02:18:43.000 Oh, that's right.

02:18:44.000 I think he retired from Strongman, I think.

02:18:46.000 Hmm.

02:18:47.000 Um...

02:18:48.000 Yeah.

02:18:49.000 Why is he doing a boxing match?

02:18:50.000 He had one match.

02:18:51.000 Did you see it?

02:18:52.000 I watched a little bit of it.

02:18:54.000 He fought a tiny guy.

02:18:55.000 Yeah.

02:18:55.000 He fought a guy relatively tiny.

02:18:57.000 He's fighting Eddie Hall.

02:18:59.000 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 Well, Eddie Hall's enormous, right?

02:19:01.000 Dude, Eddie Hall is such a freak.

02:19:04.000 The size of that left thigh. 0.91

02:19:05.000 That's not little. 0.72

02:19:06.000 He's still a freak.

02:19:08.000 So, how old is Eddie Hall?

02:19:12.000 They're both like 30s?

02:19:13.000 I wouldn't even know.

02:19:14.000 Yeah, I'd say they're probably both mid-30s.

02:19:17.000 And so, what makes him want to do that?

02:19:20.000 Like, why is he having a boxing match?

02:19:22.000 I think they might have a beef from when Eddie competed in Strongman.

02:19:27.000 And then Eddie was the first man to ever deadlift 500 kilos.

02:19:31.000 And then Thor did 501. And I think they just talked shit. 1.00

02:19:35.000 So they decided to fight. 0.99

02:19:36.000 And then I think someone with a big enough prize purse came in and was like, Yo, boys.

02:19:40.000 How about this?

02:19:41.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 I mean, it's going to be...

02:19:44.000 It's going to be a scary fight.

02:19:45.000 Eddie is freakishly athletic.

02:19:47.000 Well, that might be a problem.

02:19:49.000 Watching that man move.

02:19:51.000 Boy, look at that face.

02:19:54.000 Look at his neck!

02:19:55.000 His neck pokes out the back of his head. 0.55

02:19:57.000 He...

02:19:59.000 Last time I saw, he was like 360 pounds, and he had a six-pack.

02:20:05.000 Why don't you Google Eddie Hall boxing workout?

02:20:09.000 I mean, that's what I was looking at to get to this.

02:20:11.000 I want to see if he can strike.

02:20:13.000 Here's December.

02:20:14.000 The thing is, like, sparring is okay, but I want to see his movements.

02:20:20.000 I want to see him hit a pad.

02:20:21.000 From someone that doesn't know... 0.98

02:20:23.000 Okay, that's not good.

02:20:25.000 That's not good.

02:20:25.000 Right away we're saying we've got a real problem.

02:20:28.000 Yeah, this is terrible.

02:20:29.000 But if he's fighting someone else that has a very similar skill level, is it bad?

02:20:37.000 Yeah, he's very rudimentary, but also you see his body is very stiff.

02:20:43.000 I feel like I've seen videos.

02:20:45.000 Oh no, this is back in December.

02:20:47.000 Okay, this isn't too long ago.

02:20:49.000 Yeah, his body is super, super stiff.

02:20:52.000 Just the body transformation he's gone through.

02:20:55.000 Have you seen when he deadlifted 500 kilos?

02:20:58.000 Is this his Thor boxing?

02:21:00.000 Yeah.

02:21:02.000 Oh, really?

02:21:03.000 So he had a boxing match in 2012. Interesting.

02:21:06.000 See, Thor, right away, you can see he's moving a little bit better. 0.97

02:21:11.000 He's still fucking ridiculously enormous. 0.87

02:21:13.000 See, the other guy is just more fluid. 0.99

02:21:18.000 But so much smaller.

02:21:19.000 I mean, the guy looks like he's 100 pounds smaller than him easily.

02:21:21.000 More than 100. Look.

02:21:22.000 Look at the size difference.

02:21:24.000 But you can see he's having a hard time moving his body.

02:21:26.000 When you put that kind of mass on your body like these guys do, it's just...

02:21:32.000 You know what it's like?

02:21:35.000 It's like trying to go around the Nurburgring in a drag car.

02:21:40.000 Right?

02:21:41.000 That's what it's like.

02:21:43.000 If you can look up the body transformation he went through when he deadlifted 500 kilos, it looks like someone filled him up with an air hose.

02:21:51.000 But it doesn't look like a real human.

02:21:54.000 Especially when you know what he looked like before.

02:21:57.000 But what I think is scary about Eddie is he's done these other things in the past where he was like, look at that.

02:22:04.000 That's him.

02:22:05.000 Just the thing is, looking at him sparring there, he's just not moving so good.

02:22:11.000 Jesus Christ.

02:22:14.000 So now he's 360. I just want to see him hit the pads, though.

02:22:19.000 Like, I'm seeing him sparring, and he doesn't look very mobile, and he's doing everything, like where he's dropping his hands real low, and his body looks...

02:22:29.000 But the thing about sparring is, it's like you're anticipating getting hit back, so you're tense, and if he's not efficient and fluid, like if he doesn't have good mechanics, then you don't get a total sense of what he can do.

02:22:44.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 Maybe he can get better.

02:22:47.000 When is the match?

02:22:48.000 September 21st, it says.

02:22:49.000 Oh, that's plenty of time.

02:22:50.000 This is three days ago.

02:22:51.000 Oh, okay.

02:22:53.000 April, May, June, July, August, September.

02:22:56.000 We've got six months to prepare.

02:22:58.000 Okay, see?

02:22:59.000 This is super stiff, man.

02:23:02.000 And he's throwing these punches with his arms.

02:23:06.000 These are arm punches.

02:23:10.000 Almost like he shouldn't even be hitting things.

02:23:13.000 No, really.

02:23:14.000 Legitimately.

02:23:15.000 If you want to train a guy like that...

02:23:18.000 He's supposed to have more body rotation?

02:23:20.000 100%.

02:23:20.000 You almost would not want him to hit things hard.

02:23:23.000 What you would want him to do is have his hands loose.

02:23:26.000 And you would want him to just get used to doing this.

02:23:29.000 Just get used to moving your whole body as you punch.

02:23:32.000 Because right now he's so jacked and he's so big that he's doing this.

02:23:36.000 He's such a huge human.

02:23:39.000 For sure, just the mass that he has is going to hinder some motion and some movement.

02:23:46.000 But if someone could show him...

02:23:49.000 There's guys that were big guys that have fluid technique.

02:23:54.000 Here's a perfect example.

02:23:55.000 Google Butterbean KOs.

02:23:58.000 Oh my god.

02:23:58.000 Perfect example.

02:23:59.000 I love Butterbean. 1.00

02:24:01.000 Who doesn't love this fucking guy? 1.00

02:24:03.000 King of the Three Rounders. 1.00

02:24:05.000 Butterbean was an enormous guy, but he would flatline people.

02:24:10.000 He had good technique for a big guy, and he was fluid.

02:24:14.000 Look at the size of him.

02:24:16.000 Perfect example, right? 1.00

02:24:17.000 Fucking enormous. 1.00

02:24:19.000 I mean, fucking enormous guy. 1.00

02:24:21.000 But when you watch him throw punches, he turns his shoulders. 0.99

02:24:28.000 Watch, he throws his right hand. 0.99

02:24:31.000 He turns his body into it as much as he can with all that fucking mass. 0.99

02:24:34.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:24:35.000 There's a perfect example.

02:24:36.000 See that left hook he just landed?

02:24:38.000 Back that up just a wee bit, please.

02:24:40.000 Watch how he tags this guy.

02:24:44.000 Boom! 0.99

02:24:45.000 Right there.

02:24:45.000 See?

02:24:45.000 He's turning his body into these punches.

02:24:48.000 That's the difference.

02:24:49.000 He uses his whole body.

02:24:50.000 He's still enormous, but as he's punching, he punches through the hips.

02:24:55.000 His feet are connected to the floor.

02:24:57.000 I mean, he's an efficient puncher.

02:25:00.000 And that's what I would tell that guy.

02:25:02.000 If you brought that guy to any world-class boxing trainer, you bring him to Virgil Hill or something like that, what they're going to do, the first thing they're going to do is teach the guy how to punch with mechanics.

02:25:15.000 I'm just excited to watch what he does.

02:25:18.000 When he got into World's Strongest Man, he said his claim.

02:25:22.000 He's like, no, it's not an opinion.

02:25:23.000 I'm going to win the World's Strongest Man.

02:25:26.000 And then he won it in 2017. Is this Thor here?

02:25:29.000 See, this is so much better.

02:25:31.000 This is so much better.

02:25:33.000 See how he's just touching these things?

02:25:36.000 You can't hit those things hard, right?

02:25:38.000 Because they're just these little flimsy little sticks.

02:25:41.000 So what he's doing is just touching them, but he's rotating his body.

02:25:46.000 See how he's moving his feet and everything like this?

02:25:48.000 This is much better.

02:25:50.000 Much better.

02:25:51.000 Doesn't mean he's going to win, right?

02:25:52.000 Eddie Hall could catch him and knock him out.

02:25:54.000 Anything can happen, right?

02:25:55.000 They're just punching each other and they're both not that good.

02:25:57.000 But he looks way better here.

02:25:59.000 Because this is a guy that seems to be really paying attention to fundamentals and technique.

02:26:06.000 Because whoever his coach is, that guy's doing it perfect.

02:26:10.000 Excellent.

02:26:10.000 That's what I would tell the guy to do.

02:26:12.000 See how he's just touching things and moving his body, like turning his hips and everything like that?

02:26:16.000 That's really what you want to do.

02:26:18.000 Any other video I've seen of Thor, he didn't look that good.

02:26:21.000 That's impressive that he's moving like that.

02:26:23.000 He's taking it serious.

02:26:25.000 I mean, it'll be a fun.

02:26:26.000 I'm excited to see.

02:26:27.000 How much is he going to make?

02:26:29.000 I think they each got a million.

02:26:33.000 Pay-per-view.

02:26:34.000 So they probably guaranteed him a million.

02:26:35.000 Yeah.

02:26:36.000 And then they get some sort of back-end on pay-per-view.

02:26:38.000 I just want to know, are these going to be like 30-second rounds or like three minutes rest in between?

02:26:43.000 What's going to happen?

02:26:45.000 Well, hopefully there'll be real rounds, but the Mike Tyson-Roy Jones Jr. fight was only two minutes.

02:26:51.000 They were two-minute rounds.

02:26:52.000 Oh, man.

02:26:53.000 They were mad.

02:26:54.000 They were like, this is what the women do. 1.00

02:26:55.000 The women fight two-minute rounds, which is probably pissed off the women. 1.00

02:26:58.000 They're like, hey, hey, hey.

02:27:00.000 Hey! 0.99

02:27:01.000 Easy.

02:27:02.000 But Mike Tyson's supposed to be fighting Evander Holyfield next. 0.99

02:27:06.000 No shit. 0.99

02:27:06.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:27:07.000 Evander Holyfield's been training for a long time.

02:27:10.000 He's been working his way up. 0.93

02:27:11.000 And, you know, in the beginning he looked a little, you know, sluggish and slow, but now he looks pretty fucking good. 0.78

02:27:18.000 Evander? 0.88

02:27:18.000 Evander. 0.88

02:27:18.000 He looks pretty fucking good. 0.88

02:27:19.000 He's been, like, real steady with his training and posting it on social media almost every day. 0.98

02:27:24.000 He posts something.

02:27:26.000 Mike's still scary, though.

02:27:27.000 Oh yeah.

02:27:28.000 That man.

02:27:28.000 So is Evander.

02:27:29.000 Yeah.

02:27:30.000 Evander Holyfield has a bulletproof mind.

02:27:33.000 His mind is bulletproof.

02:27:35.000 You can beat him.

02:27:35.000 Guys have beat him before, but he's never going to quit.

02:27:42.000 You're going to have to shut him off. 0.94

02:27:44.000 You're going to have to drop him and beat him up. 0.82

02:27:46.000 I think I'm a Tyson fan.

02:27:49.000 I love that dude's training mentality.

02:27:53.000 Oh, who doesn't love Tyson?

02:27:54.000 You know, Vanda beat him twice. 0.69

02:27:56.000 I remember seeing the video where he's talking about how scared he is when he's training.

02:28:01.000 Yeah, we played that the other day.

02:28:03.000 Dude, I saw that and I just related so much to it.

02:28:05.000 Because I train scared.

02:28:07.000 Everyone else is training to win.

02:28:08.000 And to win, they got to beat me or everyone else.

02:28:12.000 So it's like you're just training scared all the time.

02:28:14.000 I thought there was something wrong with me when I was nervous going out from the warm-up area onto the competition floor.

02:28:21.000 I was like, man, I'm not a confident person.

02:28:23.000 I have these insecurities that are coming out.

02:28:25.000 And then hearing him talk about when I'm in the warm-up or when I'm in my locker room, I want to cry.

02:28:31.000 I'm so scared.

02:28:32.000 I'm about to go into a ring with this man who's trying to take my head off. 1.00

02:28:37.000 And I was like, oh shit. 1.00

02:28:38.000 Okay, it's not just me. 1.00

02:28:40.000 This is the most ruthless human ever.

02:28:43.000 And he's having these feelings too.

02:28:45.000 Okay.

02:28:46.000 And then when he talked about going out on the floor, he said, by the time I'm in the ring, I am God. 0.99

02:28:51.000 And I was like, oh shit. 0.99

02:28:54.000 I just related to that a lot. 0.99

02:28:56.000 I just latched onto that.

02:28:57.000 We played that clip the other day.

02:28:59.000 It's an amazing clip.

02:29:00.000 It's super inspirational.

02:29:01.000 Yeah.

02:29:02.000 Did you feel different defending your world title?

02:29:06.000 Like, when you won it and then trying to win it a second time?

02:29:09.000 Did you feel different?

02:29:11.000 Yeah, I mean, each year was different.

02:29:15.000 But yeah, I remember the first time...

02:29:19.000 You know, I remember the feeling the first, it was just a big relief.

02:29:22.000 You know, because I competed twice and I took second place two times in a row.

02:29:27.000 And then I was starting to realize, oh man, I might finish this CrossFit thing without ever winning.

02:29:32.000 Like, that's a real possibility.

02:29:35.000 And so I remember winning the first time, I was like, okay, that weight's lifted off.

02:29:40.000 You know, there's not this like, I'm going to leave this career with nothing. 0.71

02:29:46.000 But then, I mean, it's just hearing other people, like, other people talking shit of like, oh, last year was a fluke, you can't do it again, or like...

02:29:56.000 Wait a minute, how can anybody say it's a fluke to win the CrossFit Games? 1.00

02:30:01.000 That is literally the dumbest fucking thing. 1.00

02:30:03.000 When you look at the volume of work you guys have to do... 1.00

02:30:06.000 Dude, I had the director of the CrossFit Games, after I had won four times...

02:30:11.000 Three of these wins, I broke the record for margin of victory.

02:30:15.000 The best win of games history, I've set and broken that record three times.

02:30:21.000 And after my fourth win, going into my fifth, he put out an article saying Matt Fraser's slipping, his performance is slipping, and I'm like...

02:30:32.000 The director?

02:30:33.000 Oh yeah, the dude that runs the whole thing.

02:30:36.000 What's his name?

02:30:37.000 Dave Castro.

02:30:38.000 Is this the guy we were talking about?

02:30:41.000 No, no, no, this is a different guy.

02:30:43.000 Why would he do that?

02:30:45.000 Beyond me.

02:30:47.000 I don't know.

02:30:48.000 Did you talk to him about it?

02:30:50.000 No.

02:30:51.000 No?

02:30:51.000 No.

02:30:52.000 I saw this come out and I was like, how am I slipping?

02:30:57.000 I haven't lost an in-person competition since 2015. If it's an in-person competition, I've won it for the last five years.

02:31:07.000 And he put out this article and I was like, wow, that's...

02:31:21.000 It's not good for Matt.

02:31:23.000 I was like...

02:31:25.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

02:31:26.000 Are you shitting me? 0.99

02:31:26.000 So do you think he was trying to get you to lose? 0.99

02:31:29.000 I don't know.

02:31:30.000 I mean, there were a couple things that came up that... 1.00

02:31:33.000 What a dick. 0.99

02:31:34.000 There were a couple things that came up that made me question of like, I think you're trying to... 1.00

02:31:39.000 Does he have a relationship with someone else that's in the...

02:31:42.000 No, I think he just doesn't like me.

02:31:44.000 Why?

02:31:45.000 You seem like a real nice guy.

02:31:47.000 Everyone just jumps when he says jump, and I wasn't that guy.

02:31:51.000 He likes power.

02:31:52.000 Yeah, that's a general consensus.

02:31:56.000 What is the deal with the dude who started CrossFit?

02:31:59.000 Because he doesn't look like he exercises.

02:32:01.000 No, I have.

02:32:02.000 That's baffling to me.

02:32:05.000 Yeah, I remember seeing him.

02:32:06.000 There's a lot of boxing trainers that don't look like they work out at all, and they're great trainers. 0.98

02:32:10.000 But then I feel like the boxing trainers, they look like they don't work out, but then you see them hit a bag and you're like, oh shit. 0.98

02:32:18.000 Probably, like Butterbean. 0.98

02:32:20.000 Yeah, I remember seeing him for the first time and I'm like, that's the guy?

02:32:26.000 That's the guy who started this whole thing?

02:32:28.000 How did he start it?

02:32:29.000 Was he high?

02:32:30.000 I got an idea, bro.

02:32:32.000 I don't really know.

02:32:33.000 Let's get people to work out until they die, man!

02:32:36.000 I haven't heard enough.

02:32:37.000 I don't know enough of the history.

02:32:39.000 But you would imagine that when I thought I'm going to see the guy who created CrossFit, I thought he'd be built like you.

02:32:46.000 I'm like, oh, we're going to see some stud.

02:32:47.000 Or at least some form of healthy athlete.

02:32:50.000 Yeah, some guy who's really into extreme competition.

02:32:55.000 I've met him twice.

02:32:57.000 Like, and it was a, hey, how you doing?

02:33:00.000 That was it.

02:33:01.000 Like one time he was at an event and I think he needed something from the person I was talking to.

02:33:09.000 And so he was like, hey, I'm Greg.

02:33:10.000 Nice to meet you.

02:33:11.000 I was like, hey, nice to meet you too.

02:33:12.000 And then the second time bumped into him randomly at a Starbucks.

02:33:18.000 Oh.

02:33:18.000 Like, we were in Hawaii.

02:33:20.000 And then, like, he came into the Starbucks.

02:33:22.000 I was like, oh, hey, Greg.

02:33:23.000 And he's like, hi.

02:33:25.000 That's it?

02:33:26.000 That's... 0.99

02:33:27.000 Hey, guy who wins my thing every fucking year. 0.98

02:33:29.000 Maybe I'd want to say hi to you. 0.99

02:33:30.000 He came out recently talking about how he hates...

02:33:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:33:34.000 That's the guy.

02:33:35.000 He came out recently, like, in the last couple years of, like, how he doesn't like the games.

02:33:42.000 What?

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 He was like, I don't... 1.00

02:33:44.000 It made him rich as fuck! 0.99

02:33:45.000 How is he not like the games? 0.99

02:33:47.000 Because he was saying it's not what CrossFit's about.

02:33:50.000 CrossFit's about the everyday person going into the affiliate and it's like...

02:33:53.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:33:55.000 But this is a pretty good promoter for the other part.

02:33:59.000 And during one interview, he was saying, he's like, yeah, what's to say?

02:34:04.000 If one person's running away with the competition, I don't do something to change at the last minute so they don't win.

02:34:10.000 What?

02:34:11.000 I'm sitting there like, I'm trying to make my livelihood off this, guys.

02:34:15.000 It'd be cool if you didn't intentionally try to ruin this for me.

02:34:19.000 That's...

02:34:21.000 How do you not, like, when someone says something like that guy said, where he said it doesn't look good for Matt, and then you win it again, how do you not, like, rub it in his face? 0.99

02:34:28.000 Like, hey, fuckface, what's up with that article? 0.99

02:34:31.000 Especially since you're retiring. 0.99

02:34:33.000 I mean, you kind of put it, it's one of those things that, like, mentally, like, you pin it on the wall.

02:34:37.000 So, like, it became a thing that he said, he goes, Matt's performance is slipping. 1.00

02:34:43.000 And I was just like, alright, I'm gonna show you slipping, motherfucker. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Like, you're just like, okay. 1.00

02:34:50.000 I don't want to give him the gratification knowing that I'm thinking about it.

02:34:54.000 Right.

02:34:55.000 Well, now he knows.

02:34:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:56.000 I mean, I think I've already told him some other stuff.

02:35:00.000 Oh, did you?

02:35:01.000 I mean, it's just a weird relationship because it's like...

02:35:05.000 Yeah, he says stuff like that, like publicly. 0.99

02:35:07.000 And it's like, if I'm friends with someone, yeah, I'll talk shit to you all day long to your face. 0.97

02:35:13.000 I would never go to a publication and say it without giving you a heads up or whatever it was. 0.98

02:35:18.000 Well, not only that, when you say something like that that has no basis in fact...

02:35:24.000 Yeah.

02:35:24.000 When you say he's slipping, and then you go, well, let's look at his performances.

02:35:28.000 Actually, he's not slipping at all.

02:35:29.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:35:30.000 Like, look, he's fucking dominating everything he gets into. 0.98

02:35:32.000 So how's he slipping? 0.98

02:35:34.000 Yeah.

02:35:34.000 You want him to slip?

02:35:35.000 Is that what it is?

02:35:36.000 Yeah.

02:35:37.000 I mean, it's been pretty obvious in knowing that he doesn't like me.

02:35:42.000 And he hasn't liked me for a long time. 0.99

02:35:44.000 Do you think maybe people don't like it when someone just kicks too much ass? 0.98

02:35:49.000 They get a little upset and they go, this is... 0.96

02:35:52.000 I don't know if it's that.

02:35:53.000 I like different people to win every year.

02:35:55.000 I think it's good for the sport.

02:35:57.000 I think it's good on either extreme.

02:35:59.000 It's fun to watch someone that just repeats...

02:36:02.000 It keeps getting better and better.

02:36:04.000 And I also think it's awesome for a nail-biter coming down to the last workout to see who's gonna pull it off, you know?

02:36:11.000 Yeah.

02:36:12.000 But I think with him...

02:36:15.000 Like, I got treated a certain way.

02:36:20.000 Like, I wasn't jumping when he said jump.

02:36:21.000 Like, I got treated a certain way when I first came into the sport.

02:36:26.000 And it was basically like, ah, whatever.

02:36:28.000 Like, you're nobody.

02:36:29.000 And so I was like, okay.

02:36:30.000 Like, I have your card.

02:36:32.000 I know that's how you act now.

02:36:34.000 And then, like, he became, tried to be nice to me once I had some success in this space.

02:36:39.000 And I was like, no, I'm good.

02:36:41.000 And it was like one competition.

02:36:42.000 It was like all the top-ranked people from each country get on a team.

02:36:45.000 It's called the Invitational.

02:36:47.000 And I was the second-ranked American after my rookie year in the competition.

02:36:52.000 And I was all excited to be on this team and go to this competition.

02:36:56.000 And then they skipped right over me.

02:36:58.000 They took the number one and number three guy. 1.00

02:37:00.000 And I'm like, what the fuck? 0.98

02:37:02.000 No one ever called me, explained this, nothing. 0.99

02:37:04.000 And so then every year after that, I went like, hey, you're invited to be on the invitation.

02:37:08.000 I was like, no, I'm good.

02:37:09.000 Like, thanks.

02:37:10.000 I'm still waiting on that invite from 2014. But...

02:37:14.000 What are you going to do?

02:37:15.000 What are you going to do?

02:37:17.000 The guy who invented it looks like he's Charles Bukowski's kid.

02:37:20.000 Doesn't he?

02:37:21.000 I looked a little more.

02:37:22.000 He apparently was born with polio, according to the article.

02:37:25.000 And he taught himself, it said, to become a gymnast.

02:37:29.000 And there's a picture of him as a gymnast, younger, on the rings, and got injured on a dismount.

02:37:34.000 Oh! 0.60

02:37:35.000 So he got injured and then he couldn't work out anymore.

02:37:38.000 But that was all before CrossFit.

02:37:40.000 Oh, interesting.

02:37:41.000 Okay.

02:37:42.000 Yeah.

02:37:43.000 That makes sense.

02:37:44.000 He's his own guy.

02:37:47.000 Like, he's... 0.99

02:37:49.000 The stories you hear, it's like, holy shit, that's real, huh? 0.99

02:37:53.000 You know? 0.99

02:37:54.000 But...

02:37:54.000 The stories you hear.

02:37:56.000 I mean, just like how... 1.00

02:37:57.000 As soon as the whole thing came out after George Floyd, he's under fire because people are like, oh wow, you're a shitty person.

02:38:11.000 And then it's kind of like when allegations come out against one person and someone goes public with it and then everyone else steps forward. 0.93

02:38:19.000 Like, oh, that happened to me too.

02:38:20.000 Here's my story.

02:38:21.000 And those stories started coming out and people had conversations with them where they recorded it.

02:38:28.000 And it's like... 0.96

02:38:30.000 the shit he was doing was disgusting of just like racist and like womanized it like all this stuff started coming out and it's like holy fuck like how did it go this long without ever without this stuff ever coming out so anyways he he sold the company it's in someone else's hands now and we'll see what happens Now, 0.99

02:38:53.000 CrossFit as a company, when someone starts a gym, they start a CrossFit gym, do they have to, do they buy a franchise? 0.99

02:39:02.000 Like, how does it work?

02:39:03.000 I think you basically pay an annual fee to use the word CrossFit.

02:39:06.000 And then once you have that name, you can do whatever you want in there.

02:39:10.000 Yeah.

02:39:10.000 So you construct the workouts entirely your own.

02:39:13.000 So do you have to know what you're doing?

02:39:16.000 I've never done CrossFit.

02:39:17.000 Could I just open a CrossFit gym and start calling it CrossFit?

02:39:19.000 Or do I have to take classes?

02:39:21.000 I think you need to have your CrossFit L1. You need to take the course.

02:39:27.000 You take a course.

02:39:28.000 You learn the things.

02:39:29.000 It's a weekend course.

02:39:30.000 Oh, is it?

02:39:31.000 Yeah.

02:39:31.000 So you don't really have to be an expert.

02:39:33.000 I took it way back in the day.

02:39:35.000 I was trying to impress a girl that was doing it.

02:39:37.000 So I was like, yeah, I'll do it.

02:39:38.000 Yeah, I love this.

02:39:41.000 Yeah, so that was an interesting experience.

02:39:43.000 So it's not like teaching karate.

02:39:44.000 You have to get a black belt.

02:39:46.000 I mean, yeah, it's a two-day course or a three-day course, maybe.

02:39:50.000 So you don't even really have to be fit to own a CrossFit gym?

02:39:53.000 No, no.

02:39:54.000 No, there's no requirements on...

02:39:56.000 Any of that stuff.

02:39:58.000 You just pay your annual fee and keep her going.

02:40:02.000 They have a lot of CrossFit gyms, though.

02:40:04.000 They must be raking it in.

02:40:05.000 Yeah, I think...

02:40:07.000 I mean, COVID. Like, all the lockdowns.

02:40:10.000 Yeah.

02:40:11.000 Crushed CrossFit businesses.

02:40:13.000 Crushed jiu-jitsu.

02:40:14.000 Yeah.

02:40:14.000 Everything.

02:40:15.000 Like, anything where you're, like...

02:40:16.000 Comedy clubs.

02:40:17.000 Yeah.

02:40:17.000 Crushed everything.

02:40:18.000 Yeah.

02:40:18.000 Restaurants.

02:40:19.000 Yeah.

02:40:21.000 Yeah, so I think the intent is good of like, this is your business, run it however you want.

02:40:27.000 Right.

02:40:27.000 And it's like, the cream rise to the top, you know, the good ones flourish, and they keep expanding, they open up more locations, all this stuff.

02:40:35.000 And then it's like, if you're not putting the effort in to program well, and your members aren't seeing results, well, they're only going to stick around for so long, and you're only going to stay in business for so long.

02:40:45.000 So I think the intent of it is great.

02:40:49.000 It's your business.

02:40:50.000 Do whatever you want.

02:40:52.000 But there's definitely some places that kind of abuse it.

02:40:58.000 It just gives it a bad name.

02:41:00.000 If there's no one in there regulating some Joe Schmo jumping up and doing ring muscle-ups, it's like, yeah.

02:41:06.000 You're going to get a slap tear on your shoulder or do something.

02:41:09.000 I've met multiple surgeons that They're like, oh, you do CrossFit?

02:41:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:15.000 CrossFit paid for my yacht.

02:41:16.000 Like, just, like, from doing shoulder surgeries. 1.00

02:41:18.000 What a dick. 1.00

02:41:19.000 And, uh... 1.00

02:41:21.000 Yeah, it's like...

02:41:22.000 CrossFit paid for my yacht.

02:41:24.000 Yeah.

02:41:24.000 And just, like, so straight up, I'm like, yeah, I'm not surprised.

02:41:27.000 Like, if you don't have someone actually coaching you, of course it's gonna be bad news.

02:41:33.000 Like, if I just walked into a gym and just started sparring...

02:41:36.000 Right.

02:41:36.000 Like, no, it's gonna go terribly.

02:41:37.000 Yeah.

02:41:38.000 I'm gonna get hurt.

02:41:39.000 Um...

02:41:39.000 Yeah, that's the argument that I always hear about CrossFit, against CrossFit, is that all those...

02:41:45.000 This is the argument that Steve Maxwell used to have, was that all those movements are not designed for a competition.

02:41:51.000 They're designed to strengthen you for a competition.

02:41:54.000 Like, whether it's clean press or, you know, kettlebell presses or whatever you're doing.

02:41:59.000 Like, what those are good for is strengthening your body for other athletic endeavors.

02:42:05.000 And he thought, is just one man's opinion...

02:42:08.000 He thought that doing those in a competition is not wise.

02:42:12.000 And then these Olympic lifts for repetitions, it's not wise to do that.

02:42:17.000 He didn't feel like it was good.

02:42:19.000 Yeah, I mean, I definitely see that side.

02:42:22.000 For me personally, I'm like, okay, if these weren't good, I shouldn't be walking.

02:42:27.000 Yeah, but see, I think you're a perfect example of how to do it the right way, and I think it's really interesting, you coming from that weightlifting background, that you did have all this excellent form and incredible strength.

02:42:38.000 I'll watch people competing.

02:42:41.000 And say it's like 95-pound snatches.

02:42:43.000 By the end, I'm like, stop.

02:42:45.000 Just put the bar down.

02:42:46.000 What are you doing?

02:42:47.000 Your back's not tight.

02:42:48.000 You're not setting your hips.

02:42:49.000 The bar's swinging.

02:42:50.000 You're doing everything wrong.

02:42:52.000 You were doing it, right?

02:42:53.000 Why did you change?

02:42:55.000 You got fatigued and you started spazzing.

02:42:58.000 It doesn't matter what the sport is, what the movement is.

02:43:01.000 If you start doing it incorrectly... 0.97

02:43:04.000 When I see those injuries, man, when I see people dropping weights on their heads and shit, when they get exhausted and their muscles fail, I'm sure you've seen some of those videos. 0.95

02:43:13.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:43:14.000 Horrific.

02:43:15.000 Yeah.

02:43:15.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:17.000 It's...

02:43:17.000 Yeah, I mean, I've dropped bars on my head when I was doing Olympic weightlifting.

02:43:21.000 Oh, God.

02:43:22.000 You dropped a bar on your head?

02:43:24.000 Yeah, like going for a snatch and it was like...

02:43:27.000 I don't know.

02:43:28.000 My head wasn't in the right place and just elbows buckled and it came down to the back of my neck.

02:43:35.000 There's actually one video.

02:43:36.000 I have a buddy.

02:43:37.000 He dislocated both wrists.

02:43:39.000 He was doing cleans.

02:43:41.000 It's on YouTube if you want to watch that.

02:43:44.000 He was doing hang cleans with straps on and like 365 pounds and he was doing a triple.

02:43:54.000 Oh boy, I'm scared.

02:43:58.000 So this is Zach Critch.

02:44:00.000 The whole recovery from this.

02:44:06.000 Here it comes.

02:44:07.000 So he's strapped on so he can't dump the bar and his elbows hit the platform.

02:44:12.000 Boom.

02:44:13.000 Just popped off both wrists.

02:44:14.000 Oh boy.

02:44:16.000 I don't want to see this.

02:44:18.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not a graphic, but it's just, like, he went to dump the bar.

02:44:21.000 So, like, if you're tipping backwards on a clean, you keep it on.

02:44:24.000 Like, you keep it on your shoulders.

02:44:26.000 But he went to dump it at the last minute, and his elbows hit the ground and just ripped off both his hands.

02:44:31.000 But he made a full recovery.

02:44:33.000 It was, like, a multiple-year recovery.

02:44:35.000 So, like, that video, I was the kid on the platform next to him.

02:44:39.000 That was me at the Olympic Training Center.

02:44:41.000 And I remember watching it happen.

02:44:43.000 And he screamed like he was flailing around in pain.

02:44:48.000 I remember watching it, and I'm like, what are you screaming for?

02:44:51.000 The bar didn't even hit your chest.

02:44:53.000 And then you just see his hands flopping.

02:44:55.000 You're like, oh, your hands aren't attached anymore.

02:44:58.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:44:59.000 How long did it take for him to come back?

02:45:01.000 It was like a year or two.

02:45:03.000 Oh, my God.

02:45:05.000 I watched one where a guy was in the middle of a competition.

02:45:09.000 He dropped the weight on the back of his neck, and he was paralyzed.

02:45:12.000 Yeah.

02:45:13.000 Yeah, so...

02:45:14.000 Or...

02:45:16.000 Yeah, he was out in California.

02:45:19.000 So...

02:45:19.000 I remember him talking about that.

02:45:22.000 I want to say, like...

02:45:24.000 It was while the bar was overhead.

02:45:26.000 It wasn't from the bar hitting him that paralyzed him.

02:45:30.000 I think the bar hit the ground and his legs were already limp and then it bounced and hit him.

02:45:36.000 I've only met him once, I think.

02:45:40.000 Or Kevin Ogar.

02:45:41.000 Kevin Ogar, that's who it is.

02:45:43.000 Yeah, super unfortunate mistake.

02:45:46.000 I'm not 100% sure what happened there, but yeah, that was during a competition.

02:45:50.000 Yeah.

02:45:52.000 Five or six years ago?

02:45:53.000 And he's paralyzed, right?

02:45:54.000 Yeah, he's in a chair.

02:45:56.000 Still works out like a madman every day.

02:45:59.000 He's crushing it.

02:46:02.000 You look at any sport, if someone walked into a powerlifting gym and was like, I want to back squat 600 and just loaded up 600 and went for a rep, it's like, yeah, of course you're going to get There's an issue that happens sometimes in MMA gyms where guys dive on a guillotine.

02:46:21.000 They dive for a takedown, and then as they're diving for a takedown, their opponent gets them in a guillotine, and so as they go down, their head hits the ground first, and their head hits the ground with both of their body weights.

02:46:33.000 Right?

02:46:34.000 So they're shooting for a double, right? 0.59

02:46:36.000 The guy takes a guillotine and they hit head first.

02:46:38.000 And so you've got, you know, if you're 200 pounds and the guy's 200 pounds, you've got 400 pounds on the top of your head.

02:46:43.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 And it just pops her neck. 1.00

02:46:45.000 It's happened a few times where guys have been, is this him?

02:46:49.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:46:51.000 Bounced back and struck him in the neck, severing his spine and leaving him unable to move his legs. 1.00

02:46:56.000 Holy fuck, man. 1.00

02:47:00.000 Yeah, that's a... 1.00

02:47:01.000 Oof.

02:47:03.000 Gives you the tinglys.

02:47:05.000 Yeah.

02:47:06.000 But I guess anytime you're doing anything with your body that's that extreme...

02:47:10.000 Yeah, anything physical that you're pushing it to the point of almost failure.

02:47:14.000 It's like, yeah, you're taking on risk.

02:47:17.000 Yeah.

02:47:18.000 You know.

02:47:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:22.000 Scary shit. 1.00

02:47:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:25.000 When you look at your career and you look back on it, is there anything you would have done differently if you could go and do it again?

02:47:33.000 Huh.

02:47:34.000 I mean, the typical answer I always give, I love where my career ended up.

02:47:41.000 I love where I'm at now.

02:47:44.000 And it's like, yeah, I made mistakes.

02:47:46.000 I made very obvious mistakes.

02:47:48.000 But they made me, they put me to where I am today.

02:47:50.000 So it's like, no, I would leave the mistakes where they are. 0.86

02:47:53.000 Going back, I definitely, looking back, I'm like, oh yeah, I fucked up a couple times.

02:47:57.000 There are a couple, like the whole 2015 season.

02:48:00.000 You know, in 2014 I got second place and then the guy in first place retired and I was like, I'm a shoo-in.

02:48:07.000 Here we go. 0.95

02:48:08.000 And then I just like slacked off the whole year, ate like shit, didn't have a good training schedule, nothing. 0.99

02:48:13.000 And then I got second place again. 0.98

02:48:14.000 I got the results.

02:48:18.000 But still, you came in second, which is pretty crazy.

02:48:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:48:21.000 Slacked off, ate like shit, came in second. 1.00

02:48:24.000 I looked at it as, like, I lost. 1.00

02:48:26.000 I understand.

02:48:27.000 So that was rough.

02:48:29.000 But then the following year, like... 1.00

02:48:32.000 That's what made me get my ass in gear and be like, no, fuck that. 1.00

02:48:35.000 If I'm doing this, I'm doing it right. 1.00

02:48:37.000 I'm doing everything.

02:48:38.000 And so I went from losing by like a handful of points to breaking the record for the most points and then breaking it again, breaking it again.

02:48:49.000 So in some ways it's like, I hate that season, like the disappointment that came with it.

02:48:54.000 But then I'm like, well, I wouldn't have had these next five seasons without that disappointment.

02:48:59.000 That's the one that kicked me when I was down.

02:49:02.000 And just changed everything about what I do.

02:49:05.000 So it's like, do I want to change that mistake?

02:49:07.000 Like, no, it was a failure, but I learned from it.

02:49:10.000 So it's like, thank God that happened.

02:49:12.000 Because if I had won in that 15 season, if I had won, well, I would have thought I could keep out training a bad diet.

02:49:18.000 I could train inconsistently and be good enough. 0.99

02:49:21.000 I could stay up late and not give a fuck. 0.99

02:49:24.000 I would have kept all those habits. 0.99

02:49:26.000 What is the difference in training?

02:49:29.000 What did you do differently when the next season rolled around and you knew you didn't want to come in second place again?

02:49:35.000 What did you alter?

02:49:37.000 Going in the whole 2015 season, I was a barbell specialist.

02:49:42.000 I came from an Olympic weightlifting background so I was like, I never need to touch a barbell.

02:49:46.000 So I never did weightlifting.

02:49:50.000 I just kept getting better at the cardio, cardio, cardio to the point that I didn't realize that my weightlifting was now turning into a weakness.

02:50:00.000 Staying up super, super late.

02:50:02.000 I'm newly...

02:50:05.000 I took a semester part-time at college.

02:50:09.000 And so, you know, just staying up until 3, 4 in the morning, sleeping until noon, and then, like, I would finish up my training at, like, 10 p.m.

02:50:17.000 And I was like, oh, it doesn't matter what time of day.

02:50:19.000 I'm getting my training done.

02:50:21.000 But it was super sporadic. 1.00

02:50:22.000 My diet was shit. 0.99

02:50:23.000 I was eating off food trucks and just, like, pizza, Chinese food. 1.00

02:50:27.000 And I thought it was funny proving, showing people, like, ah, I can out train a bad diet.

02:50:32.000 You know, they're the ones telling me, like, they're trying to help me.

02:50:34.000 It's like...

02:50:35.000 You gotta clean this up.

02:50:36.000 You gotta eat these foods. 1.00

02:50:38.000 I'm like, fuck that. 1.00

02:50:39.000 I'm still beating you in workouts. 1.00

02:50:41.000 You can't tell me what to do. 0.99

02:50:43.000 And so it's like, yeah, I got my ass kicked in front of a lot of people at that competition. 0.98

02:50:50.000 Yeah, I think... 0.99

02:50:52.000 I don't know if I would change a single fucking thing. 0.98

02:50:56.000 You know, there's some relationships that, like I said, some shit that I regret, but it's like, what are you guys doing? 0.99

02:51:01.000 It's part of being a person, right? 0.93

02:51:02.000 Yeah, exactly, right?

02:51:03.000 That's how people learn, you know?

02:51:04.000 And I think that losing, for a lot of folks, failure is one of the best motivators ever.

02:51:09.000 Yeah.

02:51:09.000 That feeling when you know you could have done better, and now you go, okay, now I get it.

02:51:14.000 I think it's one of the best feelings ever when you...

02:51:17.000 Change from it.

02:51:17.000 Yeah.

02:51:18.000 And you get on the other side of it. 0.89

02:51:19.000 Because I remember like doing interviews of like, and I had my two medals hanging and I was like, I fucking hate that medal. 0.96

02:51:26.000 Like, I hate it. 0.90

02:51:27.000 Now it's my favorite one.

02:51:28.000 I'm like, yo, if it weren't for that one, I wouldn't have these five gold ones.

02:51:33.000 Yeah.

02:51:33.000 Like there's zero chance.

02:51:34.000 I may have one other gold one, but I would have kept up those shitty habits. 0.50

02:51:37.000 I wouldn't have made that big life altering switch to dedicate everything to it.

02:51:43.000 Yeah.

02:51:45.000 Yeah.

02:51:45.000 I mean, I look at, for the last, like, five years, it's like, everything you do during the day, it's like, it's going to bring you closer to your goal, it's going to move you away from your goal.

02:51:56.000 And so, I remember that first year, I was like, one year of your life, that ain't shit.

02:52:01.000 Like, to dedicate that towards your goal, and then it doesn't pan out, you lost one year. 0.98

02:52:07.000 Whoop-de-doo. 0.97

02:52:08.000 And I was like, every decision I make is going to be only towards my goal, towards my goal, towards my goal.

02:52:15.000 And then I did that, and it was like...

02:52:17.000 There were some parts that sucked, you know?

02:52:19.000 Like, my buddy's getting married, and I can't go to the bachelor party.

02:52:21.000 My girlfriend lives in Rhode Island.

02:52:24.000 I live in Vermont.

02:52:25.000 Getting close to a competition, I can't drive down to see her.

02:52:28.000 You know? 1.00

02:52:28.000 Shit like that. 1.00

02:52:29.000 So it's like... 0.99

02:52:30.000 Yeah, that was a bummer, but I told myself I'm taking one year to dedicate towards it. 0.95

02:52:35.000 And then I did it, and I was like, oh shit, I won. 0.96

02:52:37.000 I won by a lot. 0.99

02:52:39.000 This is cool.

02:52:40.000 Alright, let me keep doubling down on this.

02:52:42.000 What else can I improve on?

02:52:45.000 I don't need to drive to the health and fitness club to get in the sauna.

02:52:48.000 I bought a sauna, brought it to my house, you know? 1.00

02:52:50.000 Shit like that. 0.99

02:52:51.000 Optimizing my sleep schedule. 0.99

02:52:53.000 Like, bringing in all these tools to help me get better sleep, you know?

02:52:56.000 What kind of tools get you better sleep?

02:53:01.000 The one that I've used for a long time, it's called the Dawn Simulator.

02:53:05.000 It just looks like a giant light bulb next to your bed, and it wakes you up with light instead of sound.

02:53:10.000 It does a simulated sunset as well.

02:53:15.000 You get in the bed, and the light's on, and it slowly dims down.

02:53:19.000 And so it's like your body reacts to that and just starts pumping melatonin because it's like, yo, sun's setting, it's time for bed.

02:53:25.000 And you're just sitting there reading a book and before you know it, you're just nodding off.

02:53:29.000 So that's been a huge help.

02:53:32.000 You ever seen those cooling pads?

02:53:34.000 Yeah.

02:53:35.000 It's like radiant cooling for your mattress.

02:53:37.000 I got one of those. 1.00

02:53:39.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:53:40.000 I'll never go back. 1.00

02:53:41.000 Really?

02:53:43.000 Like, working out so much, my core temperature's just always through the roof.

02:53:46.000 I'm always sweating through sheets.

02:53:48.000 Got one of those, and it's like when you bring your body temperature down, you're able to get into a deeper sleep, hit that, like, whatever, REM cycles and all that jazz.

02:53:58.000 It was an absolute game changer because I was waking up in the middle of every night, 2 a.m.

02:54:03.000 Always wake up, have to kick off the blankets, like whatever.

02:54:07.000 Had that and it was like, that was the first time I ever slept through the night.

02:54:10.000 It was just one of those cooling pads, like completely blacking out the windows, having a white noise machine, you know, all that type of stuff.

02:54:18.000 But I don't think people realize how beneficial sleep is. 0.99

02:54:21.000 It's like if sleep and hydration came in pill form and cost $100, you couldn't keep that shit on the shelves. 0.98

02:54:28.000 It's like that right there is just... 0.99

02:54:31.000 It's like a cheat code.

02:54:34.000 So when I'm training and competing, I'm sleeping minimum 10 hours.

02:54:37.000 I'm just always guzzling down water. 0.95

02:54:40.000 Simple shit like that, but it's so elementary that people just kind of toss it off to the side. 0.99

02:54:45.000 It's like listening to your mom be like... 0.99

02:54:48.000 Make sure you get your eight hours of sleep.

02:54:49.000 And you're like, ah, yeah, whatever, Mom. 1.00

02:54:51.000 You know, fuck it. 1.00

02:54:52.000 But... 1.00

02:54:52.000 Yeah, I mean... 1.00

02:54:55.000 Yeah, I'm trying to think, like, what else I got at my house that's kind of, like, a good tool.

02:55:00.000 But...

02:55:01.000 Yeah.

02:55:02.000 Well, listen, man, what you did is pretty fucking incredible, and I love the fact that you walked away when you're in your prime.

02:55:08.000 Thank you. 0.59

02:55:09.000 I think it's awesome.

02:55:09.000 It's like, why stick around?

02:55:11.000 You won five years in a row.

02:55:14.000 See ya.

02:55:14.000 Tip of the hat.

02:55:15.000 Good luck, fuckers. 1.00

02:55:16.000 I'm just excited. 1.00

02:55:17.000 Like, all right, did that.

02:55:19.000 Well, you can do anything, man.

02:55:21.000 A guy like you, you can win the CrossFit Games five years in a row.

02:55:25.000 You could literally do anything.

02:55:26.000 All you have to do is just decide.

02:55:28.000 Yeah, I'm excited for it.

02:55:30.000 Just getting in contact with the right people.

02:55:33.000 I love working towards something.

02:55:37.000 It's like, alright, I just need to find that new thing that I'm going to dedicate all my time and energy to.

02:55:43.000 Yeah, so I'm excited.

02:55:45.000 And it's kind of the same as when my weightlifting career ended.

02:55:48.000 I dedicate everything to school.

02:55:50.000 Then my school career and I dedicate everything to CrossFit.

02:55:53.000 I'm like, this is just the next thing.

02:55:56.000 How I do anything is...

02:55:58.000 There's no moderation.

02:56:00.000 I dive fully in.

02:56:01.000 I commit myself.

02:56:02.000 I want to learn everything about everything.

02:56:04.000 Uh...

02:56:05.000 Yes, I mean...

02:56:06.000 And you're still only 31, man.

02:56:08.000 You could literally do anything.

02:56:10.000 Yeah.

02:56:11.000 I mean, the kind of dedication...

02:56:12.000 Hopefully you've got lots of time.

02:56:12.000 You've got a lot of time, man.

02:56:14.000 And if you don't, you don't.

02:56:17.000 Whatever.

02:56:18.000 Well, hey, brother.

02:56:18.000 It was very nice meeting you.

02:56:19.000 I appreciate it very much.

02:56:20.000 Thank you for having me.

02:56:21.000 Super impressive what you've done with your life.

02:56:23.000 And good luck with everything else, man.

02:56:24.000 Thank you.

02:56:25.000 Appreciate it.

02:56:25.000 All right.

02:56:26.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 11, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1618 - Mat Fraser

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