The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1622 - Marcus Luttrell

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00:00:14.000 Marcus, what's up?

00:00:16.000 How are you?

00:00:16.000 Great.

00:00:17.000 Thanks for coming, man.

00:00:19.000 One year to the date.

00:00:20.000 I think we were supposed to do this last year right when the quarantine hit.

00:00:23.000 Right.

00:00:23.000 Because it was April 1st that I called.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 I remember because Melanie was yelling at me. 0.82

00:00:29.000 She's like, if you call Joe and tell him we're not going to be able to make it out there.

00:00:32.000 I was like, I was putting it off, putting it off.

00:00:35.000 I was like, bro, I'll get out there.

00:00:36.000 And then they did the lockdown.

00:00:38.000 So, almost to the date.

00:00:40.000 It was spicy a year ago.

00:00:41.000 No one knew what was happening.

00:00:43.000 Crazy, right?

00:00:43.000 It was a little weird.

00:00:44.000 It was.

00:00:45.000 Now it's like, you know, nobody's worried anymore.

00:00:49.000 We learn fast, our people.

00:00:51.000 They pick stuff up quick.

00:00:53.000 I mean, when we suffer together, then there'll always be those that are trying to figure out ways to get us back to where we're supposed to be.

00:00:58.000 And that just took some time.

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:01.000 Well, it seems like Texas did a much better job of relaxing once the pandemic hit where people just, you know, for some folks it's very dangerous, but it seemed like Texas did a much better job of just going like, wait a minute, why is everybody freaking out over this?

00:01:17.000 Yeah.

00:01:17.000 We can open things up.

00:01:20.000 Big place, too.

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 I think that has a lot to do with it, because in the outlying towns, there's a lot of things that got shut down, and some things aren't.

00:01:27.000 Like, money never got shut down.

00:01:29.000 Everything that people still had to go out.

00:01:31.000 And they talk about that herd immunity.

00:01:34.000 Mm-hmm.

00:01:35.000 Because with the families, there's a bunch up with them, you get sick, lock down, get the antibodies.

00:01:39.000 But the more spread out...

00:01:40.000 In some of the towns, they didn't even get it.

00:01:42.000 Right.

00:01:42.000 And then in the big cities, it would show up.

00:01:44.000 But then just kind of common sense, that whole, we're going to get through this.

00:01:49.000 And always look for the better day.

00:01:51.000 I mean, you can sit there and become a victim of being a victim and fear.

00:01:55.000 Like, I'm so scared to go out because it might be out there.

00:01:58.000 Well, yeah, of course it is.

00:01:59.000 Everything's out there.

00:02:00.000 That's what a lot of people are like in L.A. In L.A., there's a tangible feel.

00:02:05.000 You can feel it.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, it's in the air.

00:02:06.000 It's a real thing.

00:02:07.000 It's real fear.

00:02:08.000 You know, at the fights, when you're standing there, you can feel that.

00:02:12.000 Yeah.

00:02:12.000 You can feel the presence of death when it shows up.

00:02:15.000 Everything knows if something badder than it was just walked in a room, right?

00:02:19.000 At the fights, you can feel that when they walk in.

00:02:22.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 It's pretty cool.

00:02:23.000 No, you can.

00:02:24.000 That's the one energy that, like, right now we've been doing fights with no audience.

00:02:28.000 It's real weird.

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 I remember I texted you.

00:02:30.000 I was like, how is that?

00:02:31.000 It's wild.

00:02:32.000 If you want to go to one, there's one this weekend in Vegas.

00:02:36.000 It's the heavyweight championship.

00:02:38.000 Stipe Miocic versus Francis Ngannou.

00:02:40.000 And it's probably one of the last ones we do without an audience. 0.98

00:02:43.000 It's pretty fucking wild. 0.92

00:02:44.000 What are the fighters saying? 0.97

00:02:46.000 Some of them love it.

00:02:47.000 It's less distractions.

00:02:48.000 It's quicker for them to get into the octagon.

00:02:50.000 Once they arrive there, they just warm up, and then they go in there.

00:02:53.000 They don't have to get to the arena early in the day and stay there all day.

00:02:57.000 It's a different vibe, but it's great.

00:03:01.000 You know what I compare to the difference between a concert where you're at a filled arena with a rock band, electric guitars, versus a small acoustic show?

00:03:11.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 That's kind of the difference.

00:03:13.000 Or like out behind the schoolhouse fighting as opposed to...

00:03:17.000 Yeah.

00:03:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:18.000 Because the anticipation of it, once that punch goes, if not a lot of people are looking, that's the hardest part about being a fighter, I would imagine.

00:03:24.000 Everyone's watching you do it.

00:03:26.000 For some folks, they like it, though.

00:03:27.000 Some folks perform better when people are watching.

00:03:30.000 That's what makes them special, right?

00:03:31.000 Yeah, they want to hear the roar of the crowd.

00:03:33.000 And some guys would rather just stay calm and just focus on the task at hand and not have any distractions.

00:03:38.000 So what is that?

00:03:39.000 What separates fighters like that?

00:03:41.000 It's interesting.

00:03:42.000 It's not whether or not they're good.

00:03:44.000 There's great fighters that like both things. 0.98

00:03:47.000 There's great fighters that love the roar of the crowd, and there's great fighters that they're like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:03:51.000 I don't need a crowd. 0.99

00:03:52.000 Let's go in a room. 1.00

00:03:53.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:03:55.000 So a brawler as opposed to somebody who's been trained to fight. 0.99

00:03:58.000 I don't even think it's that.

00:03:59.000 Are those two different things?

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 They are, right?

00:04:01.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:04:02.000 Absolutely.

00:04:02.000 A brawler versus someone's been trained to fight.

00:04:04.000 The difference is like some people just love to fight and they don't even know how to do it.

00:04:07.000 Yeah, but they're good.

00:04:08.000 Yeah.

00:04:09.000 Whatever reason, man, they can get it on.

00:04:11.000 And then there's some people who train to fight and they fight like they've been trained.

00:04:14.000 Yeah.

00:04:15.000 It's amazing to see the difference.

00:04:16.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 Well, I think it's...

00:04:19.000 Bold people, wild people, they tend to do well, especially if they're fighting against someone who's not technical, who's not smart.

00:04:27.000 But there's people that are bold, but they temper it.

00:04:30.000 And those people learn how to control it.

00:04:32.000 And those are the most dangerous ones.

00:04:33.000 Fortune favors the bold, right?

00:04:35.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.000 But guys like Jon Jones is a perfect example.

00:04:38.000 Because he's very bold and wild, but he's also super smart and technical.

00:04:42.000 Like, he tempers it.

00:04:43.000 He takes his wildness, and then he tempers it, and that's one of the things that makes him the greatest of all time is because he's figured out how to, like, take all the wildness.

00:04:53.000 Like, when he fought Shogun, he was 22 years old.

00:04:55.000 He was fighting for the title.

00:04:56.000 He opens up the fight with a flying knee on a legend.

00:04:59.000 I mean, nobody does that.

00:05:00.000 That's a wild move to do for an opening move.

00:05:03.000 Have you talked to him about that?

00:05:04.000 I was wondering.

00:05:04.000 I was like, so what happened?

00:05:05.000 That mid-moment where you're just like, I'm going to give it everything I got.

00:05:07.000 He just goes with the feeling.

00:05:08.000 He just feels it and just goes.

00:05:11.000 I've enjoyed watching him fight in his career too, especially when everyone takes a turn in some direction.

00:05:16.000 I think he learned more from getting it taken away.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:21.000 I think he did because he realized, like, these poor choices he's making outside of the octagon, outside of his career, they could ruin everything.

00:05:29.000 I mean, he has this insane opportunity.

00:05:30.000 I mean, he had a contract with Nike that went away.

00:05:33.000 I mean, he had all these great things that went away.

00:05:35.000 They took his title away.

00:05:36.000 He was gone for a while.

00:05:38.000 He couldn't compete for a while.

00:05:39.000 And then he came back and then reestablished himself as who he is.

00:05:43.000 That's the greatest part about this country, too, man.

00:05:45.000 Forgive him.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, that's a big thing that's missing today, right?

00:05:48.000 With all this cancel culture bullshit. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Some girl just got canceled for some fucking tweet she made when she was 17. Like, now she's 27. She's an editor at Vogue or something like that. 1.00

00:05:59.000 Is that what it is?

00:06:00.000 Like, well, come on, man. 1.00

00:06:02.000 You're 17, you're a fucking kid. 1.00

00:06:04.000 You don't know what you're doing. 1.00

00:06:05.000 I've been offline for a little while.

00:06:07.000 The cancel culture... 0.89

00:06:08.000 Okay, yeah.

00:06:09.000 I'm just checking back in.

00:06:12.000 Is that a group?

00:06:13.000 Is there a leader who...

00:06:16.000 I don't know.

00:06:17.000 Is that a bad question?

00:06:18.000 No, it's a perfect question.

00:06:19.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:06:20.000 You really don't know.

00:06:21.000 That's why it's a perfect question.

00:06:21.000 No, I don't.

00:06:21.000 That's what I'm asking.

00:06:22.000 I'm like, who runs that? 0.99

00:06:23.000 Stay ignorant. 0.99

00:06:24.000 Okay. 0.99

00:06:24.000 Keep away from it. 0.99

00:06:25.000 All right.

00:06:26.000 No, it's just people are being bullies.

00:06:29.000 And you know what it is?

00:06:30.000 It's like political correctness.

00:06:33.000 Once it gets established that there's things that people want you to say and don't want you to say, then there's people that are going to be bullies.

00:06:40.000 That when someone steps out of the line or when someone says something that's questionable, they're going to try to attack them. 0.95

00:06:45.000 What it really is is a bunch of really shitty human beings that just want an excuse to go after someone. 0.97

00:06:51.000 And they want to pretend they're doing it because they're morally outraged. 1.00

00:06:54.000 But really, they're just shitty human beings without any empathy and without any forgiveness. 0.99

00:06:58.000 That's what a lot of it is. 0.99

00:06:59.000 And they find an opportunity to attack someone.

00:07:02.000 And then there's also a lot of people that are bored.

00:07:04.000 They don't have anything to do during this pandemic.

00:07:06.000 And they're also...

00:07:07.000 They have mental health problems because they've been locked up inside their house and they're losing their job and they're losing their career.

00:07:13.000 And then they just attack people.

00:07:15.000 It's a lot of what it is.

00:07:17.000 It's just...

00:07:17.000 Social media shows some of the worst aspects of human beings.

00:07:21.000 Well, it's the collective consciousness of everybody, right?

00:07:24.000 Yeah.

00:07:24.000 If you see it on there, someone's thinking it.

00:07:26.000 Yeah.

00:07:26.000 And in a way, the cancel culture makes you earn what you said.

00:07:30.000 If you said it, I mean, it's got to be both ways.

00:07:32.000 You can be bullies, because we know those.

00:07:34.000 I grew up around them, I'm sure.

00:07:35.000 If you're a fighter, like, I know you are, I had to do the same thing.

00:07:39.000 It was for a reason.

00:07:40.000 Yeah.

00:07:42.000 Those of us who train hard enough, we get to the point where now I'm designed to train people from myself.

00:07:49.000 Right, right, right.

00:07:50.000 Cancel culture, people ask me about my reputation.

00:07:52.000 I was like, well, I earned mine.

00:07:54.000 I mean, that's just how it is.

00:07:58.000 I guess it's making everybody atone for what they've been saying.

00:08:03.000 There's that, yeah, but there's also the lack of forgiveness.

00:08:07.000 Well, that's the internet.

00:08:08.000 Toning you for what you're saying is fine, and I think we should all agree when we've made mistakes to recognize those mistakes and to also recognize that you're evolving.

00:08:19.000 When you're talking about someone, especially that girl who's 17, Jesus Christ, thank God there wasn't social media when I was 17. Yeah, that's unbelievable that they would do that to her.

00:08:27.000 Because, I mean, that says you can't grow.

00:08:29.000 Exactly.

00:08:30.000 And we change probably, what, every nine years?

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:32.000 Ten years, maybe, and we go through a cycle.

00:08:34.000 And that was kind of baffling to me when they would bring something up that they did from high school.

00:08:40.000 It was like, you drank beer in high school?

00:08:41.000 Yeah!

00:08:42.000 Didn't everybody else?

00:08:43.000 I thought that was the point.

00:08:46.000 And then you're like, well, you know, I grew.

00:08:47.000 I learned.

00:08:48.000 And then now it's okay to change.

00:08:50.000 I think you're supposed to.

00:08:51.000 I think it's also what social media is, too.

00:08:54.000 It's a new tool.

00:08:55.000 And some people are abusing it.

00:08:56.000 They don't know how to use it correctly.

00:08:57.000 And there's no real established cultural rules as to how to use it correctly and how to call people out when they're using it. 0.97

00:09:05.000 They're being really shitty with it. 0.95

00:09:07.000 Absolutely. 0.97

00:09:08.000 It's growing like a family, right?

00:09:10.000 It kind of starts out and everyone...

00:09:12.000 When you plug into that thing, it's like plugging into a virtual game.

00:09:15.000 Yeah.

00:09:16.000 So how good are you in that game?

00:09:18.000 Right.

00:09:19.000 Because they'll come at you from every angle.

00:09:21.000 You can also turn the game off and step away from it.

00:09:24.000 There's people who get nasty text messages or threads about, man, that could be somebody in a completely different...

00:09:30.000 Hell, they could be dead, for all you know.

00:09:32.000 Some people keep up with their social media threads from years ago, and they'll open that back up and read it and get pissed about it.

00:09:38.000 I'm like, why would you even say that?

00:09:39.000 Exactly.

00:09:40.000 I mean...

00:09:41.000 Theoretically, it should probably erase every day, because you start a new day every day.

00:09:45.000 If you're dragging that old stuff in there, you're just going to keep being upset about it.

00:09:48.000 That's a good point.

00:09:49.000 But they want to define you by things you said 10 years ago.

00:09:52.000 That's the idea behind it, I guess.

00:09:54.000 It's going to be tough. 1.00

00:09:55.000 It's fucking stupid. 1.00

00:09:56.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:09:57.000 It's just the problem is it's still written down, so it still looks like you just said it. 1.00

00:10:00.000 No, that's my point.

00:10:01.000 Look what he said.

00:10:02.000 He's like, no, man, that's way past that. 0.99

00:10:04.000 Yeah, if someone remembers something you said in high school, you remember to call that girl a cunt? 0.99

00:10:08.000 Like, ah, did I? I was drinking. 0.99

00:10:09.000 I don't remember.

00:10:10.000 But if it's written down somewhere, it's almost like you said it yesterday.

00:10:13.000 Right.

00:10:13.000 Yeah.

00:10:15.000 True statement.

00:10:17.000 How do you get past that one, right?

00:10:19.000 That's a good question.

00:10:20.000 I apologize for that back in the day.

00:10:24.000 That's a good question.

00:10:24.000 How do we get past that?

00:10:26.000 That's the problem with things being documented.

00:10:28.000 You don't accept a person for who they are now.

00:10:31.000 You want to pretend that they are who they were when they were 15 or whatever.

00:10:34.000 Sure.

00:10:35.000 Well, that's when you're not supposed to judge somebody, really.

00:10:39.000 Kind of on a lot of stuff.

00:10:40.000 Life's hard.

00:10:41.000 Everyone's reality is their own.

00:10:43.000 It's perfect when you're by yourself, right?

00:10:45.000 When you wake up in the morning, perfect reality.

00:10:46.000 Me too.

00:10:47.000 I get up, look in the mirror, everything's good.

00:10:49.000 As soon as you walk out and run into somebody else's reality, whatever, they're swinging.

00:10:53.000 If you ain't ready for it...

00:10:54.000 It's true.

00:10:55.000 I mean, it'll hit you.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 And you put yourself in positions to deal with different realities.

00:11:01.000 And a lot of times people think it's, oh, look, these guys, they're doing this, they're tough.

00:11:04.000 You go in, you're not ready for that.

00:11:06.000 Not saying you can't be ready for it, but training is everything.

00:11:10.000 Every emotion that you have that you're born with is raw.

00:11:14.000 You spend your entire life training each one of them.

00:11:16.000 And I don't care how old you are, if you get into a situation for the first time, you'll always react like a child.

00:11:21.000 Because you just hadn't been trained in that kind of environment for that emotion.

00:11:24.000 Love, hate, rage, truth, love, all that stuff.

00:11:29.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 I think that's one of the things that I think is very important for people, too, is to do new things.

00:11:34.000 So they experience the feeling of being a beginner again.

00:11:37.000 Isn't that great?

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 I love it.

00:11:39.000 Walking into the gym is a white belt in that new class, right? 1.00

00:11:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:43.000 Man, I know enough where I should perform, but I don't want to get my ass kicked. 0.99

00:11:46.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:47.000 That's the scariest thing, I think, for people in the martial science and in jiu-jitsu. 0.99

00:11:50.000 They don't want to go in and think the minute you walk in there that it's like an octagon, you're just going to get your ass handed to you. 0.79

00:11:55.000 They don't realize that it's, no, just show up, and then we'll start from what you don't know. 0.88

00:11:59.000 Yeah, they're going to treat you like a beginner, and they're going to be kind to you.

00:12:03.000 That's why they're called teeth.

00:12:03.000 I mean, the good ones, you'll get hooked like that.

00:12:07.000 Yeah, it's just a matter of having the courage to be a beginner, and that's where a lot of people, they just don't know how to humble themselves like that.

00:12:16.000 Ego.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, ego.

00:12:17.000 That's one of the ones you've got to get past.

00:12:18.000 Sure.

00:12:18.000 Pride.

00:12:19.000 The seven virtues and the seven sins, right?

00:12:22.000 Yeah.

00:12:22.000 Those two things run together.

00:12:23.000 That's why if you hook up with a girl who runs on the same sin you do and likes to exploit it, it's going to be one hell of a ride. 1.00

00:12:31.000 Always true.

00:12:31.000 If you marry your opposite, your kids will probably be perfect.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:35.000 Right, they'll be a splice.

00:12:36.000 Right, right, a blend.

00:12:37.000 Yeah, you'll have both teachers, too.

00:12:38.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 But if you kind of, one train, one party, oof.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, yeah, my wife is nothing like me, thank God. 1.00

00:12:44.000 No, absolutely, one percent me too.

00:12:47.000 That's how it works, right?

00:12:49.000 That's how it works.

00:12:50.000 I don't want to marry someone like me.

00:12:52.000 That's crazy.

00:12:53.000 They wouldn't want to marry someone like me.

00:12:55.000 Exactly.

00:12:55.000 You've got to be that opposite.

00:12:58.000 Marriage is funny, the stuff that you figure out going through it, because you figure out the differences.

00:13:03.000 I never knew that we could be sitting somewhere and listening to somebody talk, and we hear the same sentence, but what we interpret are two different things.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:11.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:13:12.000 You and I could be having a conversation, and everyone will understand it, but we're talking about something different.

00:13:16.000 Yeah.

00:13:17.000 And when I figured that out, I was talking to the wife one day.

00:13:21.000 We're at the vet.

00:13:22.000 And there was a pamphlet on there.

00:13:24.000 It had some babies and some puppies.

00:13:25.000 And it said, protect them from danger, protect them for life.

00:13:28.000 And I was kind of in a grumpy mood anyway.

00:13:31.000 And I was like, hey, what does that mean to you?

00:13:32.000 She's like, just what it says.

00:13:34.000 Protect them from danger, protect them for life.

00:13:35.000 I was like, right.

00:13:37.000 But eventually, if I always protect them from danger, I'll always have to protect them for their life.

00:13:41.000 There's got to be a transition to when you kind of turn it around and you're pushing them back out to...

00:13:46.000 To earn their spot.

00:13:49.000 And then Mellie and I were getting some arguments about something, and I realized if it goes past a couple of different conversations, we're saying the same thing just differently.

00:13:58.000 Right.

00:13:59.000 And I'll just back up.

00:14:00.000 And I kind of stopped talking just to let her calm down.

00:14:03.000 But it's the communication.

00:14:04.000 Our relationship's like the Weather Channel.

00:14:06.000 Constant updates.

00:14:07.000 I mean, tell me what you're thinking.

00:14:09.000 You know, guys, we stuck in the same path, and for whatever reason, they shift off of it.

00:14:13.000 That's kind of the Lord's way of saying, you know, I'm teaching you something.

00:14:17.000 I don't think you and I are ever going to understand how a woman feels. 0.99

00:14:20.000 There's no way.

00:14:21.000 I can't imagine.

00:14:23.000 I guess.

00:14:24.000 The universe is awful in its infinite wisdom designed it that way.

00:14:28.000 There's no way you can.

00:14:29.000 You can guess, but that's what it is.

00:14:31.000 It's a lot of guesswork.

00:14:33.000 Isn't that great?

00:14:34.000 Yeah.

00:14:34.000 With guys like us, we train for everything.

00:14:37.000 Right.

00:14:37.000 I mean, train to see it and when it walks in to deal with it, if need be.

00:14:43.000 And she'll walk in sometimes and I don't even know what.

00:14:45.000 I'm like, what?

00:14:48.000 Yeah, they're coming at things from a totally different angle.

00:14:50.000 But, you know, I mean, they're making all the people inside their bodies.

00:14:54.000 Imagine that.

00:14:55.000 Just imagine being a person who makes human beings in your body.

00:14:59.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:14:59.000 It's crazy.

00:15:00.000 So the reason our muscles are on the outside of our fat is because we take pain on the outside.

00:15:05.000 Like, if you see a woman, and reverse us, their muscles on the inside of their fat. 1.00

00:15:09.000 If a woman's had nine babies, she's a UFC champion. 1.00

00:15:11.000 I mean, she could take a beat down, right?

00:15:14.000 Right, the amount of punishment?

00:15:15.000 No, I mean, I watched my wife give birth to our kids, and I was like, honey, you're the toughest thing I've ever seen.

00:15:20.000 You know, back in the day when they split, you know, man and woman standing for the first time, and God's like, which one of y'all want to have to go through this?

00:15:25.000 I'm going to show you what it's like.

00:15:26.000 The dude was like, I'll be outside working in the garden, man.

00:15:29.000 I'll take care of everything.

00:15:30.000 Exactly.

00:15:31.000 There ain't no way I'm doing that.

00:15:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:32.000 If a baby came through your dick and made your dick explode and they had to sew it back up every time, there'd be four people on the planet. 1.00

00:15:38.000 Bro, after a bunch of surgeries, I had to take Vicodin and, man, that stuff would stop you up, feel like your pecs. 1.00

00:15:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:45.000 A Volkswagen out the backside.

00:15:46.000 And just going through that, I was crying.

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, the Vicodin, all that stuff, the painkillers, and the constipation, man.

00:15:55.000 That's a weird one, right?

00:15:56.000 Like a joke to make sure you don't stay on it that long, I think.

00:16:00.000 That joke doesn't work.

00:16:02.000 It teaches you a lesson, but some people didn't get that lesson.

00:16:06.000 I think it ranges for everybody.

00:16:08.000 I mean, I had a bunch of surgeries, so I never touched anything before I got in.

00:16:12.000 I wasn't allowed to.

00:16:13.000 So, it's comical going through some of that stuff.

00:16:16.000 What is it like to have a movie about one of the worst experiences of your life?

00:16:22.000 Yes.

00:16:24.000 Thank you for asking it like that.

00:16:25.000 No one ever has.

00:16:28.000 It's an honor to do that, to be a part of that.

00:16:32.000 And it's funny because people are like, hey, I made a movie and the books and it was great. 0.99

00:16:36.000 I was like, man, it was about me getting my ass whipped. 0.95

00:16:39.000 As a fighter and a warrior, those are usually the stories you don't want out. 0.99

00:16:42.000 So I'm in the loss column.

00:16:45.000 I carry a lot of weight.

00:16:47.000 19 Promises.

00:16:49.000 I never forget it.

00:16:50.000 So I walk around and I always remind myself I could run into somebody who knows or loved one of them or one of their family members.

00:16:54.000 So I'll always carry myself a certain way.

00:16:56.000 I have to.

00:16:57.000 That was the deal I made to get me off the mountain.

00:16:59.000 People ask me who my heroes are.

00:17:01.000 Everybody who had to come fetch me out of hell.

00:17:02.000 I was in there pretty deep.

00:17:06.000 The way that lined out, it's a great story if you want to hear it.

00:17:09.000 I mean, the whole process.

00:17:10.000 I would love to hear it.

00:17:11.000 It's funny, on the way up here, I was like, man, how's this interview going to go?

00:17:13.000 And I was watching Joe Dirt last night.

00:17:15.000 I was like, let's do it like that.

00:17:16.000 You want to start from the beginning?

00:17:18.000 Bro, I'll tell you some stuff you can't believe.

00:17:19.000 I'm glad you said, let's start it off with whiskey.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 As soon as you said that, I'm like, this is going to go great.

00:17:24.000 It is.

00:17:25.000 Yeah.

00:17:25.000 I only drink whiskey with my friends.

00:17:27.000 And you know the reason we say that is because of the things that come out when you drink whiskey.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 So I've been looking forward to this.

00:17:32.000 We've been friends for a while.

00:17:33.000 I thought we should have a good time with it.

00:17:36.000 100%.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:37.000 You know, I watched the movie again last night.

00:17:39.000 I watched it yesterday just to prepare myself.

00:17:43.000 I haven't seen it.

00:17:44.000 I never watched it all the way through.

00:17:46.000 I know the director's cut.

00:17:47.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:17:48.000 Yeah, no.

00:17:49.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 I can imagine.

00:17:52.000 To back it up to the book and how that all happened, or you back it up to the military, wherever you want to start, We can go all different directions with it, but I was in the hospital.

00:18:03.000 So when I got back, I was in the hospital for a while, and then they...

00:18:06.000 I went back into the teams and started doing another workup for deployment, and then in between that, I was getting called to the boss's house.

00:18:20.000 I've always been watched over on high ground.

00:18:22.000 That was a blessing.

00:18:25.000 Because so many of our guys died, and we had a fallen angel.

00:18:29.000 When we have a fallen angel, y'all always hear about it.

00:18:32.000 Like normally if SEALs die or something, it's on the bottom of the ticker, or only the family members hear.

00:18:37.000 But we had a fallen angel, which means we have an aircraft going down.

00:18:41.000 And I didn't know about it, actually, when the mission started, because everyone who knew about our operation was on the helicopter.

00:18:47.000 That's why I was out there for so long.

00:18:54.000 I remember I was in...

00:18:55.000 I just got out of the hospital and I was doing physical therapy with the team and they called me up and they said, hey, we're going to declassify part of this operation.

00:19:04.000 And we're going to put it out into a book.

00:19:06.000 And I was like, okay.

00:19:07.000 I didn't know what that meant.

00:19:10.000 Well then...

00:19:12.000 They pulled me back up to the headsheds where we had this big meeting.

00:19:16.000 And they brought, they assigned to me the, I mean, I was privileged enough to have the best lawyers, the best writers.

00:19:24.000 Like I interviewed with everybody until I found a fit.

00:19:26.000 Like I got to travel around.

00:19:28.000 Like when Patrick and I met, he came out to the house.

00:19:30.000 My mother fell in love with him.

00:19:31.000 So that's how we knew he was going to, and I had to live with him.

00:19:34.000 So I would actually wake up on Sunday or Monday morning and go into work, do a workup, fixing to deploy.

00:19:41.000 And then on Fridays, I'd have to fly to Cape Cod, and I would sit with Patrick and tell him the story.

00:19:46.000 And then Sunday night, I'd fly back.

00:19:48.000 Patrick is the guy you wrote the book?

00:19:49.000 Patrick Robinson, yeah.

00:19:50.000 He's the guy you wrote the book?

00:19:50.000 He was, yeah.

00:19:51.000 Because my name wasn't in the book.

00:19:52.000 It wasn't supposed to be anything like that.

00:19:54.000 I was still operational.

00:19:55.000 And then I deployed back to Iraq in 06 and 07. I ripped Jocko out.

00:20:00.000 I know you've met him.

00:20:01.000 Love Jocko.

00:20:02.000 Great guy.

00:20:02.000 And he loves you.

00:20:03.000 Man, he was one of my bosses.

00:20:06.000 He got so excited when he heard you were coming on.

00:20:08.000 He texted me, and we went back and forth.

00:20:10.000 He's something.

00:20:11.000 I called him.

00:20:12.000 He's just...

00:20:13.000 What you see is what you get.

00:20:14.000 You ever notice his face looks like it could perfectly fit in a Spartan helmet?

00:20:17.000 Yes.

00:20:18.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:20:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:19.000 He's always...

00:20:19.000 When it comes to leadership...

00:20:21.000 Break glass in case of war.

00:20:23.000 We have those guys.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 They're real.

00:20:25.000 I know you've met some of them.

00:20:26.000 Yeah.

00:20:26.000 We need those guys.

00:20:27.000 They exist.

00:20:28.000 They're terrifying.

00:20:29.000 I'm so happy they're real.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, they're real.

00:20:32.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 And Jocko is my...

00:20:34.000 He's the archetype.

00:20:36.000 Yeah.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, there was a reason why.

00:20:39.000 He was over Chris and Michael and Mark.

00:20:43.000 If you notice in the SEAL teams, all of our Medal of Honor guys are named Michael.

00:20:46.000 You ever notice that?

00:20:47.000 No.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:48.000 Those are called the Mark Angels.

00:20:50.000 They always get the Medal of Honor.

00:20:51.000 You get a Mark and a Michael running together in the SEAL teams, something bad is going to go down.

00:20:56.000 So we always joke about that.

00:20:58.000 But...

00:21:00.000 When the book came out, I was in Iraq.

00:21:02.000 I remember the lawyers and everybody, they would write me emails and like, please don't die.

00:21:06.000 And I was like, well, I'm trying not to, thanks.

00:21:07.000 Jesus Christ.

00:21:08.000 So I got hurt in Iraq again.

00:21:10.000 And when I got back, they positioned me out of the SEAL teams and then they kind of rewrote that part, put my name in it.

00:21:17.000 My job was to go around and tell you about your boys and what they did and how hard they fought and they died.

00:21:24.000 And that was the greatest job.

00:21:25.000 It was the hardest job I ever had to do.

00:21:28.000 Because I remember when they pulled me offline as an operator.

00:21:32.000 And the Admiral was sitting there telling me, he's like, son, you're going to do more for the SEAL teams than you ever did in combat.

00:21:36.000 And I thought that was kind of an insult.

00:21:39.000 I was like, wait, what do you mean?

00:21:40.000 I was like, do I need to work out harder?

00:21:42.000 Do I need to...

00:21:43.000 He's like, no, this is what you need to do.

00:21:46.000 So I did that.

00:21:47.000 I traveled around and I told you guys.

00:21:49.000 And then the movie Hollywood came calling.

00:21:52.000 So I got stationed to live there.

00:21:54.000 They actually sat me down and introduced me to all the directors, and we had to find the fit.

00:21:58.000 And then once Pete and I linked up for the first time, the rest is kind of...

00:22:02.000 You mean Peter Berg?

00:22:03.000 Yeah, Peter Berg. 0.99

00:22:04.000 Goddamn, he nailed it. 0.99

00:22:05.000 Man. 0.98

00:22:06.000 I know you haven't seen it, because you've seen the director's cut.

00:22:08.000 Right, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:22:09.000 But he fucking nailed it. 0.98

00:22:11.000 That guy's a hell of a director. 0.99

00:22:13.000 He... 1.00

00:22:14.000 There was no bullshit in that movie. 0.98

00:22:17.000 There's a certain amount of bullshit, and I don't know if there's any bullshit in terms of the reality of the experience versus the film version of it, but there was no gloss to that film. 0.97

00:22:34.000 I'll talk about when I met Pete for the first time. 0.97

00:22:36.000 I got pulled up to LA to interview all of them.

00:22:39.000 I was traveling around Just getting to meet everybody.

00:22:44.000 Oliver Stone, I sat down in front of him.

00:22:46.000 I mean, they threw me through the gate.

00:22:47.000 I had lunch.

00:22:48.000 Oh, wow.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, it was pretty cool.

00:22:49.000 I remember meeting him because I wanted to.

00:22:51.000 He was a veteran, right?

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 I love that guy.

00:22:55.000 The lawyer that I got assigned to, he was great.

00:22:58.000 Alan Schwartz is his name.

00:23:01.000 Have you ever seen Spaceballs?

00:23:02.000 Yes.

00:23:03.000 Okay.

00:23:04.000 The Schwartz...

00:23:05.000 In Spaceballs?

00:23:06.000 Yeah.

00:23:06.000 It's named after him.

00:23:07.000 So he's Mel Brooks' attorney.

00:23:10.000 This is real.

00:23:11.000 That's crazy.

00:23:12.000 This is crazy.

00:23:13.000 That was one of the coolest things why I got to meet him.

00:23:15.000 And I was like, wait a minute, you're the Schwartz? 0.99

00:23:17.000 He's like, yeah.

00:23:19.000 So I got signed to him, and then my literary agent was this guy named Ed Victor.

00:23:23.000 He's since passed.

00:23:24.000 But he was great because he was a British guy, tall, skinny, and he would wear the sweaters tied around his neck in the white and black wingtips.

00:23:31.000 Dressed to the nines.

00:23:33.000 Had that awesome accent.

00:23:34.000 And he would tell me, he's like, Marcus, darling, I'm the seal in this world.

00:23:37.000 In this environment.

00:23:38.000 Just let me take care of this.

00:23:39.000 What are you saying to me?

00:23:40.000 How dare he?

00:23:41.000 And I just kind of like, Roger that.

00:23:43.000 Because if you're the resident expert or something, I'll always drop in right beside you.

00:23:47.000 So I was traveling around.

00:23:50.000 And I'd been in L.A. for a couple days.

00:23:51.000 And I was supposed to get back to the base.

00:23:53.000 And they were like, wait, there's one more guy who wants to meet you.

00:23:56.000 His name's Peter Burke.

00:23:56.000 And I didn't register in my head.

00:23:58.000 I couldn't put the name to it.

00:23:59.000 He's been around forever.

00:24:01.000 He's like, he's down on the set filming a movie called Hancock of Will Smith.

00:24:05.000 And I was supposed to get on my plane, but we went late and missed my flight.

00:24:08.000 He's like, just go down there and see him.

00:24:09.000 And I was like, all right.

00:24:10.000 So we drive down there.

00:24:11.000 And he's sitting in his chair, and then there's a train scene.

00:24:16.000 So there's this huge train, and Will's standing there.

00:24:18.000 I got to meet him.

00:24:18.000 It was pretty cool.

00:24:19.000 And Pete walks up, Peter Berg.

00:24:22.000 He's like, hey, let's take a walk.

00:24:23.000 I was like, all right.

00:24:24.000 And we sat down on this park bench overlooking the water.

00:24:27.000 He's like, this is what I think of this.

00:24:29.000 This is what I want to do.

00:24:30.000 And he kind of shot me straight.

00:24:32.000 He's like, before I say anything else, I want to show you a movie that I just filmed.

00:24:35.000 And I want you to watch it.

00:24:36.000 So I got to go to the theater and watch this movie.

00:24:38.000 And then the next day, it was his attention to detail.

00:24:40.000 He focused on the stuff that you would normally miss, which makes it kind of realistic.

00:24:45.000 And I was like, okay, it's yours.

00:24:47.000 I was like, know this. 1.00

00:24:48.000 If you screw this up, if you do anything to dishonor any of my friends, I'll kill you. 0.99

00:24:52.000 And he didn't know what to do about that. 0.99

00:24:57.000 And I mean, the look on his face, because I shook his hand, and I had his hand, and I was like, okay, here's the deal.

00:25:03.000 It's yours, if you want it.

00:25:05.000 If you screw it up, I'll have to, you know, no, nothing personal.

00:25:09.000 For real.

00:25:10.000 And right when that happened, I mean, he took it.

00:25:13.000 We made him go to all of our, he got, the door was open for him, because it was an assignment.

00:25:18.000 Most everything else, the books and the movies and everything, they were shut down.

00:25:23.000 Except for this one.

00:25:24.000 So when the Navy's got your back and, you know, the SEAL teams, man, that's how that works.

00:25:29.000 So we sent him overseas.

00:25:30.000 He had to go live with...

00:25:31.000 I mean, the guy went through some stuff.

00:25:32.000 He came back early and didn't tell me about it because some of the stuff he saw.

00:25:35.000 And I was like, hey, it's real, right?

00:25:37.000 It's real.

00:25:37.000 And he's like, that's all I needed to see to change how I feel.

00:25:41.000 I was like, okay, well, let's do this, man.

00:25:43.000 And then it started.

00:25:44.000 Oh, so he went overseas and experienced...

00:25:47.000 What did he experience?

00:25:48.000 They embedded him with a SEAL platoon.

00:25:50.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:25:50.000 He got to see them guys and how they...

00:25:53.000 It's a really cool story.

00:25:55.000 I'll let him tell it because of what he got to see and what he got to do.

00:25:59.000 And some of the guys called me from the deployment.

00:26:00.000 They were like, hey, we put Pete through the ringer.

00:26:03.000 I was like, good, because of what he was stepping into.

00:26:08.000 I mean, to this day, we're still best buddies.

00:26:10.000 I talked to his son yesterday.

00:26:11.000 He kind of comes over and we do...

00:26:13.000 He teaches my kids some things, and I teach his kids some things.

00:26:17.000 Everywhere I go, I was always taught to make a friend over money, right?

00:26:21.000 Because that's the best cash you can have, is a friend.

00:26:26.000 Getting to live with him and experience that Hollywood lifestyle was amazing.

00:26:30.000 I remember showing up at his house the first day.

00:26:32.000 I was like, man, why does this place look so familiar?

00:26:34.000 He's like, O.J.'s house is right there.

00:26:35.000 He lives in Brentwood.

00:26:36.000 He's like, O.J.'s house is right there.

00:26:38.000 I was like, oh, yeah, okay.

00:26:40.000 And then it just got crazy from there.

00:26:42.000 First time he took me out.

00:26:43.000 I mean, those are great stories.

00:26:45.000 Wow.

00:26:48.000 Peter's an interesting guy.

00:26:50.000 He's a director that you can tell when you watch his movies. 1.00

00:26:54.000 Like, that motherfucker cares. 0.99

00:26:56.000 Like, he's not just pumping out some homogenized, pasteurized product that he thinks that will sell well. 1.00

00:27:04.000 Like, there's a piece of him that gets into those movies.

00:27:09.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:10.000 Absolutely.

00:27:11.000 I would agree with that.

00:27:13.000 And I think what happened when he had to film Loan, that...

00:27:17.000 We blanketed the set with team guys.

00:27:19.000 He had to live with us.

00:27:21.000 Some of the guys would show up at his house in the middle of the night, grab him out of bed, spray him with bear mace, throw him in the pool, take all the liquor in his bar and leave.

00:27:31.000 That's what he had to deal with.

00:27:33.000 I mean, you've got buddies now in our community.

00:27:36.000 You know what that's like.

00:27:37.000 I mean, just show up and be like...

00:27:38.000 Savages.

00:27:39.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:27:40.000 You need that.

00:27:41.000 You need that.

00:27:42.000 The people that don't understand...

00:27:44.000 It's because we protect you like Noah.

00:27:47.000 I mean, we're hard and everything, but it's always out of...

00:27:49.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 Well, there needs to be people like you out there.

00:27:53.000 And people that don't understand that. 0.97

00:27:56.000 There's people that are worried about all these different transgressions and microaggressions and all the bullshit in the world. 0.99

00:28:03.000 You don't understand.

00:28:04.000 The only way you get to have the kind of freedom...

00:28:07.000 Where you're concerned with microaggressions is if you have SEALs.

00:28:11.000 That's the only way.

00:28:12.000 That's the only way.

00:28:13.000 If you have hard people.

00:28:14.000 There's an old, what is it, a Winston Churchill?

00:28:17.000 Who's the guy that made that quote about the reason why people sleep well at night is because hard men are out there?

00:28:25.000 It's a famous quote, but it couldn't be more accurate.

00:28:28.000 I think it's a Winston Churchill.

00:28:29.000 Willing to die if necessary?

00:28:30.000 Protecting the blanket of freedom that you sleep under?

00:28:32.000 Yes.

00:28:33.000 Stand on the wall?

00:28:34.000 There's that old expression that hard times make hard men.

00:28:41.000 Hard men make easy times.

00:28:44.000 Easy times make soft men.

00:28:46.000 Soft men make hard times.

00:28:48.000 And there's this cycle.

00:28:49.000 And we are in the worst part of that cycle right now.

00:28:52.000 What the Hindus call the Kali Yuga.

00:28:55.000 And this situation we're in now, it's like we've had all these blanket protections.

00:29:01.000 We've had all this softness and we've had people like you out there protecting us from the worst aspects of human nature.

00:29:07.000 And then because of that, people get soft and uncomfortable and then they look for all these weird reasons why people are evil and people are bad.

00:29:16.000 They don't understand real evil.

00:29:18.000 They don't get it.

00:29:19.000 They've never experienced what you've experienced.

00:29:22.000 And it's my belief that only people like you that have stared into the heart of evil, that have stared into the heart of darkness, that have been there, that have lost brothers and got as close to a human being,

00:29:37.000 as close as you can to losing your own life and come back. 0.97

00:29:42.000 You can tell people what the fuck is really going on when people are at their worst. 0.99

00:29:47.000 We are at our worst. 0.99

00:29:50.000 We are territorial primates.

00:29:53.000 We've always been this way.

00:29:54.000 At our best, we are brothers and lovers and family and comrades and we unite each other.

00:30:02.000 At our worst, we're divisive and we're looking to diminish people and dismiss people.

00:30:10.000 At our best, we're looking to build people up and we're looking to help people.

00:30:14.000 And these lessons, they're so wide.

00:30:18.000 It's so hard to gather up all the information to make a good assessment of what it means to be a person.

00:30:25.000 But one of the things, one of the lessons, one of the most important pieces of information, what it means to be a person, is the people that have gone through the worst, and the worst is war.

00:30:38.000 The most dangerous thing down here is an undisciplined human mind.

00:30:41.000 Yes.

00:30:42.000 Period.

00:30:43.000 Yes.

00:30:43.000 And the only way you can know true happiness is if you know true pain.

00:30:46.000 And we do cycle through life.

00:30:49.000 I mean, that's why the history books are there.

00:30:51.000 It shows every one of those perpetual cycles.

00:30:53.000 I think there's four of them.

00:30:54.000 And in order for someone who had to go through something so hard to obtain something so great to enjoy it, then you'd want to pass that down.

00:31:01.000 Well, that next gen will never understand it. 0.60

00:31:03.000 They just don't.

00:31:05.000 And then that one cycle feeds the other until as we transfer through time, look at the atrocities we've done to each other.

00:31:11.000 Yeah, we are family.

00:31:12.000 You go back far enough, there wasn't that many of us.

00:31:14.000 And just kind of branched out.

00:31:16.000 And we populated this place.

00:31:18.000 You ever run across anybody where you just automatically like them?

00:31:21.000 Like, hey man, we're...

00:31:21.000 Because you know you probably can.

00:31:23.000 Like, we're family.

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:24.000 And then there's people that are opposite of your magnet.

00:31:27.000 Like, you can tell.

00:31:28.000 And when they come in swinging something...

00:31:30.000 It all depends on where they're from, what they're going through.

00:31:32.000 And as we go through our life and we go through those hard times, it's incumbent upon us to look back into our hard times, to understand what somebody at a certain age is going through.

00:31:41.000 Age is rank.

00:31:42.000 Can't get ahead of it, can't get below it.

00:31:44.000 You can study something, just like in school, if you're a freshman, study some senior stuff, but you're still going to have to go through the class.

00:31:50.000 Like with the millennials, they have the iPhone. 0.64

00:31:52.000 Like they can touch a picture on that screen and it'll show up to the door.

00:31:56.000 That sounds made up, right?

00:31:57.000 It just does.

00:31:58.000 They have way too much information and not enough life experience.

00:32:01.000 And that's kind of a good thing and a bad thing.

00:32:04.000 Because life will teach that.

00:32:06.000 Some people get consumed by certain things and go down certain rabbit holes and can't get out of it.

00:32:11.000 It's always important to remember, we have a saying in the family, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff.

00:32:15.000 Like, man, you can get wrapped up some stuff that will consume you.

00:32:18.000 And if you're always wrapped up about it, that means you're not supposed to be...

00:32:23.000 Getting all worked up about it.

00:32:24.000 It's designed to keep you like in a game.

00:32:27.000 It's just to hold you in that one thing.

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:29.000 While everyone else keeps moving.

00:32:30.000 You got to figure it out.

00:32:31.000 Yeah.

00:32:31.000 It's like a game of life.

00:32:33.000 Imagine when you come in here, you come in here dying. 0.99

00:32:36.000 The minute you're delivered on your back, butt naked, you're dying. 0.97

00:32:40.000 So you actually learn how to live while you're dying down here. 0.63

00:32:43.000 And in that are all the emotions that you're training.

00:32:46.000 So if you, before you came down here, imagine you wrote your story out.

00:32:49.000 Would it all be good times?

00:32:50.000 No, of course not.

00:32:51.000 Man, you want challenges and everything in between.

00:32:54.000 The only way you can, like I said, you can appreciate your hard times is when you've had the good ones.

00:32:58.000 The only way.

00:32:59.000 That's it.

00:32:59.000 We don't have bad ones.

00:33:00.000 There's just nothing you've been trained for.

00:33:02.000 Right.

00:33:03.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 That's my feeling about LA. The weather's too good.

00:33:08.000 It is.

00:33:08.000 It's so good.

00:33:09.000 You've won the weather lottery.

00:33:10.000 You don't understand. 0.99

00:33:11.000 I grew up in Boston, and it's cold as fuck for five months out of the year. 0.97

00:33:15.000 I appreciate sunny days. 0.98

00:33:18.000 One time I went hunting with my friend Steve Rinella, and we went to Prince of Wales in Alaska, and it was raining every day, all day long.

00:33:26.000 You're always wet.

00:33:27.000 The sleeping bag's wet.

00:33:28.000 Your clothes are wet.

00:33:29.000 Everything's wet.

00:33:30.000 It's the rainiest place in North America, maybe on Earth.

00:33:34.000 And when I came back home, I was in LA and the sun was shining and I took a hot shower and it was just like, man, and I called him up.

00:33:41.000 I go, dude, I have never been this happy.

00:33:43.000 I've never been so happy just to experience sun.

00:33:46.000 And I realized, like, the only reason I'm so happy is because I experienced rain for five, six days in a row.

00:33:54.000 Like, you don't experience...

00:33:56.000 That feeling of like relief, unless you've experienced the feeling of being under the gun of something, under the pressure of, under the feeling of never getting warm, always being cold, always shivering, always being soaked.

00:34:12.000 You don't appreciate it.

00:34:13.000 And so in LA, everybody's like constantly, it's constantly sunny.

00:34:16.000 They don't get it.

00:34:17.000 Like, you need cold weather.

00:34:19.000 You need rain.

00:34:20.000 You need all those things.

00:34:21.000 We need to see everything.

00:34:23.000 And with human beings, they need sorrow.

00:34:25.000 They need sadness.

00:34:26.000 They need happiness.

00:34:27.000 They need anger.

00:34:28.000 They need enemies.

00:34:29.000 They need lovers. 0.99

00:34:30.000 They need friends.

00:34:31.000 We need the whole thing to be able to figure it out.

00:34:32.000 There's lessons.

00:34:33.000 Absolutely, 100%.

00:34:35.000 I was sitting down with one of the elders in the family the other day during the quarantine.

00:34:40.000 Beautiful day.

00:34:43.000 We just sat on the front porch of the Rocketeers enjoying it.

00:34:45.000 And the next day, it was storming.

00:34:47.000 And I kind of looked over at him.

00:34:48.000 I was like, did you order this up?

00:34:50.000 He's like, well, you can't have a perfect day every day because somebody else won't have one.

00:34:53.000 So the grandmother loves the storms, the rain.

00:34:56.000 I do too.

00:34:57.000 I love it when the seasons change and the cold weather.

00:34:59.000 And that's the best part about having them.

00:35:00.000 And then you have the beach bunny.

00:35:02.000 He's like, Mel's a beach bunny.

00:35:03.000 And she loves the sunny weather.

00:35:05.000 But if she loves me, then she has to love that part too.

00:35:08.000 So you learn to appreciate each one of those for what they are.

00:35:11.000 Because one thing has to feed the other.

00:35:13.000 Yeah, or you get Seattle.

00:35:15.000 I want to talk to people in Seattle.

00:35:17.000 I'm like, you've got to get out. 0.98

00:35:18.000 Man, it rains every damn day. 0.97

00:35:19.000 It's too much. 0.98

00:35:20.000 This ain't good.

00:35:21.000 Get out.

00:35:21.000 You're all depressed.

00:35:22.000 We do our cold weather training up there in the Puget Sound.

00:35:26.000 That's where I do our cold weather diving.

00:35:29.000 It's some of the hardest stuff I ever had to do.

00:35:31.000 And then we would get a chance to go into Seattle.

00:35:33.000 We'd catch the ferry and go into Seattle.

00:35:35.000 And it was always raining.

00:35:36.000 All the time.

00:35:37.000 It was always cold.

00:35:38.000 It's beautiful out there, but it's always miserable.

00:35:40.000 It's like when people are always unhappy.

00:35:42.000 If you don't have some of the sun in your life, you kind of...

00:35:44.000 But then again, those people make some of the most interesting music.

00:35:47.000 Like, look at Nirvana.

00:35:48.000 That came out of that pain.

00:35:50.000 It comes out of that whole environment, feeds itself.

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:53.000 Best music ever is when we were growing up in the 90s.

00:35:55.000 I mean, that hip-hop came on, then you had the grunge, and it was kind of all of our generations melding together.

00:36:01.000 I mean, it just...

00:36:02.000 When I look back at what we had to go, because we're hybrids, we're a little bit of the old and a little bit of the new. 0.92

00:36:08.000 We have no tech, and then we got the tech.

00:36:10.000 So Gen X, right?

00:36:12.000 You sit right at the beginning of that, if I'm not mistaken.

00:36:15.000 So as we made that transition over, I mean, look at the mistakes we made with the first camera phones.

00:36:22.000 And getting that tech.

00:36:23.000 Back then you had to remember every phone number.

00:36:25.000 There wasn't the names and putting in alphabetical order for you and all that stuff like that.

00:36:29.000 So when we see our kids with their tech, I'm like, maybe I should hold that back from them.

00:36:34.000 And I'm like, well, they got to have it.

00:36:36.000 But then I'm going to teach them a little bit of how to live off the land in case they lose it.

00:36:40.000 So all that stuff is a tool.

00:36:41.000 As they progress through their age, I'll hold on to something.

00:36:44.000 And then sometimes I'll give it to them and then see what they do with it.

00:36:49.000 I remember the first time I saw one of those $400 Nintendo Switches on the ground, I was like, what is this?

00:36:55.000 I was like, who am I going to get mad at?

00:36:56.000 The 45-year-old who gave it to the kid who put it on the ground, or the kid who didn't understand it when he got it?

00:37:01.000 Yeah.

00:37:02.000 So I learn more from them than I do, you know, from everybody else.

00:37:07.000 It's funny.

00:37:08.000 It's how you open yourself up.

00:37:09.000 It's almost like the mistakes have to be made so that people correct.

00:37:13.000 It's like there's no way to get through it smooth where the mistakes aren't made.

00:37:17.000 The mistakes have to be made. 1.00

00:37:19.000 Like all the dumb shit has to be done. 1.00

00:37:22.000 There's no way. 1.00

00:37:23.000 You don't just figure it out and just do the right thing every time and move through life like an enlightened being. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Like, you have to fuck up. 1.00

00:37:31.000 Yeah, well, you'd be an asshole then. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Yeah, you'd be Dr. Manhattan. 1.00

00:37:34.000 I'm like, right, really?

00:37:36.000 Someone who just gets it.

00:37:38.000 In Hollywood, they call them mistakes.

00:37:40.000 You get to redo them.

00:37:41.000 Yes.

00:37:42.000 And the civilian world would call them mistakes.

00:37:43.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 So if you think about it like that, with us and the SEAL teams, if you're not trying to get away with something, you ain't trying.

00:37:50.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 But the minute you get busted, you fess up.

00:37:53.000 Like, oh yeah, sure.

00:37:54.000 And then you take your licks, and then you go on about it.

00:37:56.000 That's how they, if you try to perpetuate it, or like where we're from, if you don't know something, be like, man, I don't know.

00:38:03.000 But I'll get back to you.

00:38:04.000 I'll go study that, and I'll come back at you.

00:38:06.000 Let me think about it.

00:38:07.000 We're always taught to receive, reflect, respond.

00:38:09.000 Receive, reflect, respond, right?

00:38:11.000 Don't run to your death.

00:38:12.000 There's plenty of time to get into something just to see what this chess game is.

00:38:17.000 And you hear those phrases, those little phrases over life, and they mean something, but they don't mean at that time you didn't get it.

00:38:25.000 It's kind of like later in life.

00:38:27.000 From zero to four, you just have an opinion.

00:38:29.000 First 40 years of your life are supposed to be in darkness, man.

00:38:31.000 You're walking around trying to figure out what you're not.

00:38:34.000 And then when that kicks over, you see things.

00:38:37.000 It's a switch.

00:38:37.000 I think like on your birthday.

00:38:39.000 And then you're like, oh, all right.

00:38:41.000 And then you have to see the other side of it.

00:38:43.000 Like you run into yourself again.

00:38:45.000 Because the only easy day was yesterday.

00:38:47.000 It's gone.

00:38:48.000 Tomorrow, we don't have any idea if it's going to show up.

00:38:50.000 You got one day down here, man.

00:38:52.000 You wake up, you give it everything you got.

00:38:55.000 Everything you got.

00:38:56.000 Everything you're going to need for your day is probably around you.

00:38:58.000 The further you go away from it, the further you're going away from your day. 0.90

00:39:00.000 And don't try to carry one of them suckers.

00:39:01.000 They're too heavy.

00:39:02.000 Let the day carry you.

00:39:04.000 And whatever you run into, man, run into it and give it all you got.

00:39:07.000 Good, bad, or indifferent.

00:39:08.000 That's not a thing.

00:39:09.000 People made that word up just to make themselves feel better.

00:39:11.000 It's how it is.

00:39:13.000 Yeah.

00:39:14.000 And then, like with us, you see, when you open yourself up in every avenue that we have, I know there's people in here that they say stuff and you're like, man, I understand that.

00:39:23.000 I thought like that, too, at that time.

00:39:25.000 I get it.

00:39:26.000 But this is why I went through this and it made me see this part.

00:39:29.000 And the beautiful part is being able to acknowledge that and to talk about it.

00:39:33.000 Not when we yell at them, not yelling at them, but when you tell them something, they can just close off.

00:39:38.000 I'm like, well, man, if you don't want to listen, then why are we even having a conversation?

00:39:40.000 Because there was just two of us down here, we talk about everything.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:45.000 Yeah.

00:39:48.000 Exactly.

00:39:49.000 That's one of the best aspects about podcasts, especially when you add whiskey, is that people will talk about everything.

00:39:57.000 Yeah.

00:39:58.000 And then people are hearing this, and it's in an intimate way.

00:40:00.000 They're hearing it in their ears.

00:40:02.000 You know, a lot of them are running right now, listening on earbuds, or they're driving in their car on their way to work, and they're listening to the speaker by themselves, and they're a part of this conversation.

00:40:10.000 Oh.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:40:12.000 Isn't that cool?

00:40:12.000 Yeah, it is cool.

00:40:13.000 That's the best part.

00:40:14.000 I mean, there are some great things about tech.

00:40:16.000 There's been some great inventions.

00:40:17.000 Air conditioning, tire, yoga pants, boom, podcast.

00:40:23.000 Electric cars.

00:40:24.000 Yeah, electric cars. 0.99

00:40:24.000 There's a lot of shit that's cool. 0.99

00:40:26.000 Listen, I'm a tech fan. 0.99

00:40:27.000 I love tech.

00:40:28.000 I just think you need to understand tissue.

00:40:31.000 You need to understand cells and bones.

00:40:35.000 You need to understand that things are fragile.

00:40:38.000 You need to understand that bones break and your consciousness can be taken away from you.

00:40:43.000 All those things are real.

00:40:44.000 And if you don't understand those, I think you're walking through life like Like a kid with a trust fund.

00:40:49.000 You don't know how it was earned.

00:40:51.000 You don't know who you are.

00:40:52.000 You don't know why you're there.

00:40:54.000 We all know that trust fund kids...

00:40:56.000 There's an expression that I've said before.

00:41:00.000 It's not always true, but it's pretty true.

00:41:02.000 Because it can be mitigated.

00:41:04.000 But show me the son of a great man who's also a great man.

00:41:08.000 It's very rare.

00:41:09.000 Yeah, of course.

00:41:10.000 Because it's hard.

00:41:11.000 Because once your dad's carved an easy path for you...

00:41:15.000 You don't become the same type of person.

00:41:18.000 No.

00:41:19.000 My father will always tell me he wasn't my friend.

00:41:22.000 He's like, I'm not your friend, I'm your father.

00:41:25.000 And I never understood why he said that to me until I had kids. 0.99

00:41:27.000 And the reason being is because we do stupid things with our friends. 0.99

00:41:30.000 I still do. 0.99

00:41:31.000 I still have the same friends I've had since we were boys.

00:41:33.000 And the reason I have them is because they possess a strength that I have as a weakness.

00:41:37.000 So when we're together, I don't feel vulnerable.

00:41:40.000 But you take one of them away, then you kind of notice that it's gone.

00:41:43.000 And my father would always tell me, he's like, I'm going to give you two things throughout this life.

00:41:46.000 I'm going to give you discipline.

00:41:47.000 And through discipline, you're going to gain respect.

00:41:49.000 Respect for yourself and respect for other people.

00:41:51.000 Only time you ever lose your respect is when you throw your discipline away.

00:41:54.000 Period.

00:41:55.000 You're the only one that can lose it.

00:41:57.000 Hey, look, my shoes aren't here for you to fill, but you can walk in them every now and again if you need it.

00:42:02.000 I thought my father was the hardest man.

00:42:05.000 It was like Iron Fist.

00:42:08.000 My mother was a hippie and my father was a bit of an outlaw.

00:42:10.000 He was a chemical engineer.

00:42:11.000 The smartest man I ever met.

00:42:13.000 The only time I get out of line with my mother talking back.

00:42:19.000 Nothing bad, but it's a matriarchal family. 1.00

00:42:21.000 The women run the show. 0.95

00:42:24.000 So the only time I'd ever see him was when he'd tune me up for that.

00:42:27.000 And then the hard lessons he learned on me as I was growing up, he just did them on purpose.

00:42:33.000 Because he could put the pressure on it and take it off.

00:42:35.000 And then when I ran into it in life, when it won't come off, I was ready.

00:42:39.000 Right.

00:42:39.000 So I say that to my kids now.

00:42:42.000 I'm like, I'm not your damn friend. 0.99

00:42:44.000 And it drives Melanie crazy. 0.99

00:42:46.000 He's like, I'm your father.

00:42:47.000 Period.

00:42:48.000 Don't ever forget that.

00:42:49.000 I was like, there's somebody who's got to keep you in check to make sure that...

00:42:52.000 It says it in the Bible, you ain't supposed to like your dad.

00:42:55.000 It says it.

00:42:56.000 Does it?

00:42:56.000 It does.

00:42:57.000 What does it say?

00:42:58.000 You're loved and beloved by your mother.

00:43:00.000 Reason being is because there's probably four generations of men.

00:43:02.000 I bet you loved your granddaddy.

00:43:04.000 Right.

00:43:04.000 A lot like him.

00:43:06.000 Definitely like your great-grandfather.

00:43:08.000 And you're probably the exact as your great-great-grandfather.

00:43:10.000 Right?

00:43:10.000 Four cycles.

00:43:11.000 The warrior, the poet, the guy.

00:43:14.000 I can't remember it off the top of my head.

00:43:16.000 But your father, you're the next version of him.

00:43:18.000 So he sees what's there.

00:43:20.000 And no matter how hard the training comes down, and I'd be the first person to tell you my father was hard on me, but my wife loves the way I turned out.

00:43:27.000 So I'm like, well, thanks, Pop.

00:43:30.000 I mean, that's why it just says that.

00:43:32.000 I mean, when you get older, you kind of look back at everything we had to go through.

00:43:37.000 Man, if I had to go through that with him, it's because he saw something and now I'm sitting right here.

00:43:42.000 It can't be comfortable.

00:43:43.000 No, it's not.

00:43:44.000 It can't be.

00:43:45.000 No, it's not.

00:43:46.000 Spare the rod, spoil the child.

00:43:48.000 Yes.

00:43:48.000 I mean, there are things down here at a certain age you can't negotiate with them.

00:43:52.000 That's why pain exists.

00:43:53.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:43:54.000 That's why you got a butt with padding on it. 0.99

00:43:56.000 I mean, my father never hit me on that spot. 0.79

00:43:58.000 It was everywhere else, but it's...

00:44:02.000 Depends on what you're raising.

00:44:03.000 There are things down here that get sick, things that never get sick.

00:44:07.000 I've talked to vegetarians.

00:44:09.000 I have a lot of friends that are vegetarians.

00:44:10.000 I'm like, why don't you eat?

00:44:12.000 There are things down here that are predators, that eat meat.

00:44:14.000 Just like humans.

00:44:16.000 Humans and animals kind of coexist together.

00:44:17.000 You can see yourself in nature.

00:44:19.000 There are huge men that just eat plants, just like there are huge animals that just eat plants.

00:44:25.000 Once you figure out kind of what your spirit is and how your body works, you can understand each other.

00:44:29.000 Because there's nothing down here the same.

00:44:31.000 Hell, everyone down here is as unique as your fingerprint.

00:44:34.000 No one's the same color.

00:44:35.000 No one's the same height.

00:44:36.000 Everything is unique.

00:44:37.000 It's just we kind of, we want to put them into groups.

00:44:41.000 And it's almost like a trick because you're trying to emulate all the people that you see that are successful or that you admire around you, but you have to recognize that you are not them.

00:44:50.000 And even if you emulate them as much as you can, as good as you can, as well as you can, as often as you can, you're still never going to be them.

00:44:56.000 Why would you want to be?

00:44:57.000 Why would you want to be?

00:44:58.000 If you're going to become them, why would you need them to exist?

00:45:02.000 But you think you want to be them because they're successful.

00:45:05.000 You see someone who's doing really well, you're like, I wish I was that guy.

00:45:09.000 But then as time goes on, you realize, no, no, I'm me.

00:45:13.000 And I just need to be my version of me where some young guy coming up looks at me and says, I wish I was that guy.

00:45:19.000 And then he's going to realize it.

00:45:20.000 No, I don't want to be him.

00:45:22.000 I want to be me.

00:45:23.000 And you can learn lessons from those people that are successful, learn lessons from those people that have gone through the fire, learn lessons from the people that have made mistakes and have learned from those mistakes.

00:45:34.000 This is how we progress.

00:45:36.000 We don't learn all our lessons from our own life experiences. 0.84

00:45:39.000 We learn a lot of them from watching other people fuck up and we learn a lot of them from watching other people succeed.

00:45:46.000 Once you get good enough at laughing at your mess-ups, they're not setbacks, they're kind of setups, right? 0.91

00:45:52.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 Because when you're going in, you're untrained.

00:45:54.000 I mean, if you like something, you just went in and you were good at it, then what's the point?

00:45:57.000 Right.

00:45:58.000 Well, that's the problem with really talented people.

00:46:00.000 We see that in fighting.

00:46:01.000 There's a lot of really, really talented people.

00:46:03.000 They often fall short because they're so talented, they don't want to work hard.

00:46:07.000 And then the determined little wolves...

00:46:11.000 There's some guys that maybe they don't have the best genetic tools or maybe they didn't have the best childhood or whatever it is, but they have determination.

00:46:18.000 And they figure out a way to become great.

00:46:22.000 I tell them, like, yeah, you did.

00:46:24.000 You're telling me you're born in the worst place in this country, in the hardest place?

00:46:27.000 And that means that's how powerful you are.

00:46:29.000 Like, diamonds are forged through pressure over time.

00:46:32.000 When the blade is on the mill, and the sparks are flying, and that thing's screaming, you know it's going, what are you doing to me?

00:46:38.000 I'm sharpening you.

00:46:39.000 Making a blade.

00:46:41.000 Even when it's getting sharpened, it has no idea what's going on.

00:46:43.000 When I joined SEAL training, that's what one of the instructors told me.

00:46:46.000 You know what we do here?

00:46:48.000 We're going to forge you into a blade. 0.99

00:46:50.000 We're going to get you really hot, really cold, and beat the mess out of you. 1.00

00:46:53.000 Then we're going to repeat it until we make something.

00:46:55.000 Then when we send you in with the rest of our guys, they're all like, each person around you is a stone.

00:46:59.000 They're designed to polish you, sharpen you, or dull you out.

00:47:02.000 Yeah.

00:47:03.000 And you run around guys like us who are always sharp, then we sharpen each other.

00:47:06.000 So to come in on us, like our hard days, we look forward to them now.

00:47:11.000 Yeah.

00:47:11.000 Because somebody has to go in there and carry that weight.

00:47:14.000 And people are like, man, I can't believe you did that.

00:47:15.000 I was like, well, obviously you didn't want to do it.

00:47:17.000 If you weren't willing to carry it, I will.

00:47:19.000 That'll be my spot.

00:47:20.000 I don't want to be anything like you, but I want to be good enough to hang out with you, though.

00:47:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:47:24.000 I love what you said, that some people will dull you out, too.

00:47:28.000 Absolutely.

00:47:28.000 That's true, too.

00:47:29.000 And then that's something that some people need to understand, is that you might be that person that's dulling out your friends.

00:47:36.000 Yep.

00:47:36.000 You need to realize that, too.

00:47:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:38.000 And get your shit together. 1.00

00:47:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:40.000 And maybe you have a friend that's doing that to you, and you're trying to carry them.

00:47:43.000 And if they don't want to keep going, you've got to recognize that they're taking away from your resources.

00:47:49.000 It's tough for friends you've had over time.

00:47:51.000 It is.

00:47:51.000 I've had to think about that one a lot, when they think they're dulling you.

00:47:55.000 It's like, well...

00:47:56.000 Maybe you just got so sharp that they were part of it that helped you get that sharp.

00:48:01.000 Yes.

00:48:01.000 So don't ever forget that.

00:48:02.000 Yeah, sometimes they just can't keep up.

00:48:04.000 When you relate to them, or they're past different.

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 And when you come back into their life, you're back in that spot.

00:48:10.000 You know, be every man's equal.

00:48:11.000 Bar, ballroom, bedroom, board, all that stuff.

00:48:14.000 So it's easy.

00:48:16.000 That's the ego part.

00:48:18.000 And that's why our friends are there to remind us.

00:48:21.000 Yeah, and I think there's also a point of diminishing returns, too.

00:48:25.000 Like, how much harder do you want to get?

00:48:28.000 How much work do you want to get?

00:48:29.000 And how much do you want to be a good friend?

00:48:31.000 How much do you want to be a brother?

00:48:33.000 How much do you want to be a husband, a family member?

00:48:37.000 And you can't ask everybody to walk your path.

00:48:42.000 No, it's yours.

00:48:42.000 Yeah.

00:48:43.000 They'll walk with you.

00:48:44.000 And then your friends are there when you go down that rabbit hole.

00:48:47.000 They'll be like, I'll go down there with you.

00:48:49.000 And then the deeper you go, some of them will peel out.

00:48:51.000 And that's all right.

00:48:52.000 Because you're going to have to run into them on the way back up.

00:48:54.000 And you just pick them back up.

00:48:55.000 And we need them all, right?

00:48:56.000 We need programmers and we need SEALs.

00:48:58.000 We need everybody.

00:48:59.000 We need comedians and we need rock stars.

00:49:01.000 We need poets and we need writers.

00:49:03.000 And we need guys who work ferries and dig trenches.

00:49:07.000 And we need everybody.

00:49:08.000 This is, as a society, We're a weirdly balanced group of people.

00:49:15.000 Isn't that great?

00:49:16.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 It is great.

00:49:17.000 It's so great.

00:49:18.000 It's great.

00:49:19.000 I mean, the difference, the best part about when I was doing the speaking thing, traveling around, was who I'd run into.

00:49:25.000 I'm like, man, I don't even know you existed.

00:49:28.000 And I had the best time with them.

00:49:29.000 I mean, just famously, right?

00:49:31.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 And we were two different worlds.

00:49:33.000 I mean, we just are.

00:49:35.000 And that's okay.

00:49:37.000 Because it's what's different about you that I appreciate.

00:49:39.000 It's the uniqueness.

00:49:41.000 I mean, I don't care what color your hair is, what you do.

00:49:42.000 I mean, hey, man.

00:49:44.000 That's the part I'm gravitating towards.

00:49:46.000 That's a good attitude.

00:49:47.000 The problem is a lot of people, they're so insecure that anybody that's different from them is the enemy.

00:49:54.000 Anybody that's different from them is in opposition to them.

00:49:58.000 And that's not really the case.

00:49:59.000 It's a trap.

00:50:00.000 It's a trap that your mind sets up.

00:50:02.000 Sure.

00:50:03.000 Your mind looks for familiarity.

00:50:06.000 All I care about a person is, are they nice?

00:50:09.000 I try to look at it, and I know this is a very simplistic perspective, but I look at people in three groups. 1.00

00:50:15.000 Morons, assholes, and people you can hang out with. 0.99

00:50:19.000 And in those three groups, there's a lot of different folks. 1.00

00:50:22.000 There's a giant spectrum of people that I can hang out with.

00:50:26.000 I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Asian, African. 0.98

00:50:32.000 I don't give a fuck if I can hang out with you, if you're cool, if we can talk. 0.99

00:50:37.000 I can see your perspective. 0.98

00:50:39.000 I see where you're coming from.

00:50:41.000 I want to know who you are and how you got there.

00:50:44.000 And then there's people that are just not smart, man, for whatever reason.

00:50:48.000 Maybe they're not smart because they don't want to be smart, because they're scared of being smart. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Maybe they're morons because someone did them bad and they never recovered. 1.00

00:50:57.000 There's a lot of aspects to what makes someone a moron. 1.00

00:51:00.000 The same thing, what makes someone an asshole? 1.00

00:51:02.000 Maybe they were abused. 1.00

00:51:04.000 Maybe the system gave them a bad hand of cards.

00:51:07.000 Maybe they get dealt... 1.00

00:51:09.000 Fucking terrible neighborhood with terrible relatives and terrible neighbors and terrible bullshit And they just did they just didn't have the tools whether it's mental or spiritual or psychological to overcome and They're in this position where they're an asshole. 1.00

00:51:24.000 It doesn't mean that they're always going to be an asshole They can recover we can all recover we can all move if you're alive if you're breathing if you can if you can do anything whether you can progress forward you can get better and And if you can get better, then you can not be a moron, 1.00

00:51:39.000 you can not be an asshole, and you could be someone that everybody can hang out with. 1.00

00:51:46.000 That's a true statement. 1.00

00:51:48.000 I have people walk up to me and they're like, hey, you know this team guy so-and-so?

00:51:51.000 And I'm like, yeah, I know him. 1.00

00:51:52.000 They're like, man, he's an asshole. 1.00

00:51:54.000 I'm like, yeah, he is. 1.00

00:51:55.000 He's mine, though.

00:51:58.000 He's magnificent at it.

00:51:59.000 Like, you can't believe.

00:52:01.000 And a lot of that stuff, like, it's their style.

00:52:03.000 You have to get past that to understand, to appreciate what's burning inside of them, right?

00:52:07.000 And it's a defensive mechanism.

00:52:09.000 With you, look at your vocabulary, your mental prowess, what you're capable of physically, everything that you've trained for, who you've met, what each one of those have trained you for. 0.97

00:52:18.000 So there will be people younger than us that haven't been through this that will go into a situation and be like, God was the biggest dick, man, just blah, [... 0.94

00:52:34.000 Who wants to be the badass and who really isn't. 0.96

00:52:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:37.000 So as we go through this, that's the best part.

00:52:40.000 Taking off that black belt and putting the white one back on. 0.93

00:52:42.000 And then you walk in there and you're like, oh, okay.

00:52:45.000 Let's see what's what. 0.99

00:52:46.000 And then as it progresses, because they can only be an asshole up to a point, to where they run into somebody like... 0.99

00:52:52.000 Have you ever seen videos where white belts pretend, or black belts pretend to be white belts? 0.99

00:52:57.000 All the time.

00:52:58.000 Yeah, there's funny videos online where a black belt will show up at a school and pretend to be a white belt and start rolling with people. 0.88

00:53:03.000 And then you can see the people get super confused when they're purple belts or brown belts, and they start getting strangled.

00:53:09.000 Pisses them off.

00:53:10.000 And it's actually the best teaching tool ever. 0.59

00:53:14.000 For the purple belt, brown belt, right? 0.99

00:53:16.000 Because I just got my ass whipped by a white belt. 1.00

00:53:18.000 It can happen. 1.00

00:53:18.000 It's a problem with brown belts. 1.00

00:53:20.000 It's a problem with black belts. 0.51

00:53:21.000 It's a problem with belts.

00:53:22.000 It's a problem with that system.

00:53:25.000 I remember I was a brown belt and this dude choked me out.

00:53:28.000 He was a blue belt.

00:53:28.000 He got my back and he just got me.

00:53:30.000 He got me.

00:53:31.000 And I tapped. 0.99

00:53:32.000 He goes, did you really just fucking tap? 0.99

00:53:33.000 I go, yeah, man, you got me. 1.00

00:53:34.000 He was like, holy shit! 1.00

00:53:36.000 I go... 1.00

00:53:37.000 It happens.

00:53:38.000 It happens, man.

00:53:38.000 It's going to happen to you.

00:53:39.000 Keep going. 1.00

00:53:40.000 I got my ass turned inside out by a purple belt when I just got back. 0.99

00:53:43.000 It's funny, right? 0.99

00:53:44.000 That's what I thought, too.

00:53:45.000 It happens.

00:53:46.000 I mean, so much so that I almost wound up back in...

00:53:49.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 It was great.

00:53:52.000 And he couldn't believe he thought I'd given it to him.

00:53:55.000 And I was like, no, you actually did good, man.

00:53:57.000 Listen, some guys have a move, man. 0.99

00:54:00.000 Whether it's an arm bar or a choke or a fucking crucifix, some guys have a move. 1.00

00:54:05.000 If you zig when you should have zagged and they get to point B and then there's point C and D is tap, you might be in deep shit. 1.00

00:54:13.000 I don't give a fuck who you are. 1.00

00:54:14.000 And it happens. 1.00

00:54:15.000 It's a perfect chest.

00:54:16.000 They've been training this one move all week and a set up.

00:54:19.000 But it's that obscure one that you're not looking for, so you're doing your thing and all of a sudden you're like, oh, there's no way he knows this one.

00:54:26.000 Next thing you know.

00:54:28.000 Isn't that great?

00:54:29.000 That's the best part about our world, is that you still go in there to get...

00:54:34.000 There's a chance that even those of us who have been around can get humbled, and what does that tell you?

00:54:38.000 Yeah, that's good. 0.97

00:54:39.000 Them suckers can learn, too. 0.95

00:54:41.000 But that's so valuable. 0.94

00:54:42.000 Those terrible moments where a guy taps you out like that, those are so valuable.

00:54:46.000 They're so much better for you than the moments where you tap him out. 0.99

00:54:49.000 If you tap some blue belt out, like, who gives a shit? 1.00

00:54:52.000 But if he taps you out, like, man, you should be thanking your lucky stars, because you've got a real good lesson. 1.00

00:54:58.000 You've got a lesson that if you don't protect your neck, if you fuck up, you... 0.97

00:55:02.000 You go into a situation where you're not defensive enough and you get caught. 0.99

00:55:06.000 That's so valuable.

00:55:08.000 And that's with everything in life, with relationships, with friendships, with business situations, everything.

00:55:14.000 That's the best way I've heard that explained.

00:55:18.000 Like that mat work is like life.

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:20.000 Like a minute, I think I got it figured out.

00:55:22.000 I get choked out by something I didn't even see coming up.

00:55:24.000 And it's good.

00:55:25.000 Those moments... 1.00

00:55:26.000 I've had moments where I just feel like such a fucking loser. 1.00

00:55:29.000 I just feel like such a piece of shit. 1.00

00:55:30.000 But those are my best moments because they gave me something. 0.99

00:55:34.000 They gave me something that Victory never gave me.

00:55:37.000 They gave me something where I was like...

00:55:40.000 Where I realized that, you know, you're not always going to win and you don't want to win always.

00:55:46.000 You don't.

00:55:47.000 You don't want to.

00:55:48.000 Even a guy who wins always, like a guy like Floyd Mayweather, you tell me that guy didn't have dark moments in the gym?

00:55:54.000 You tell me that guy didn't...

00:55:55.000 Every day.

00:55:56.000 Every day!

00:55:56.000 The more his numbers...

00:55:57.000 I love that man.

00:55:58.000 Dude, that family.

00:55:59.000 The more his numbers went up... 0.93

00:56:00.000 And everyone bitches about how he fights. 0.83

00:56:02.000 He's like, oh, he sits back. 0.65

00:56:03.000 It's a fight.

00:56:04.000 He's the smartest man in boxing.

00:56:05.000 I mean...

00:56:06.000 Smartest man in boxing.

00:56:08.000 50-0.

00:56:08.000 49 in Conor McGregor.

00:56:10.000 That's what I say.

00:56:10.000 He's not really 50-0.

00:56:12.000 49 in Conor McGregor. 0.99

00:56:13.000 But the guy's been hit hard four times in his whole fucking career. 1.00

00:56:18.000 He's the GOAT. Come on. 1.00

00:56:19.000 He's figured it out.

00:56:21.000 Figured it out.

00:56:22.000 All of his fights, the reason why his fights have been so easy is because his training's been so hard.

00:56:29.000 He's lost.

00:56:29.000 That's a great way to say that.

00:56:30.000 He's been punished.

00:56:31.000 He's lost.

00:56:32.000 You know, that's a great way to compliment him, too.

00:56:34.000 Yes.

00:56:35.000 It's not his fights are easy.

00:56:37.000 It's like his training has been...

00:56:38.000 It's just so hard.

00:56:39.000 He understands it.

00:56:40.000 And also, he came from a family.

00:56:42.000 Oh, man.

00:56:42.000 His father fought Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:56:43.000 Can you imagine back in the day, growing up in that?

00:56:45.000 Come on, man.

00:56:46.000 His uncle was the black mamba. 1.00

00:56:48.000 I know, man. 1.00

00:56:49.000 Roger Mayweather was the shit, man. 1.00

00:56:51.000 I remember watching Roger Mayweather. 1.00

00:56:53.000 Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:56:54.000 Dude, I remember watching that.

00:56:56.000 It was on a black and white TV. Yeah, man.

00:56:59.000 Those fights, when we were growing up, like when you first came in, I was at San Diego with you at Fear Factor one time.

00:57:05.000 I tried to try out for it, me and a couple of my buddies.

00:57:07.000 Oh, really?

00:57:08.000 Yeah, they wouldn't let us in.

00:57:10.000 They wouldn't let you in because you were SEALs?

00:57:11.000 Yeah, they wouldn't let us in.

00:57:12.000 It was like a thing.

00:57:13.000 They were like, hey, what do you do here?

00:57:14.000 Like, we're over at the, like, you're not SEALs, are you?

00:57:16.000 And we're supposed to say no.

00:57:18.000 Oh, that's hilarious because they thought you were too tough.

00:57:20.000 And then one of the young guys was like, yeah, I'm a SEAL. And we're like, oh, great.

00:57:24.000 Oh, no.

00:57:26.000 But when the UFC made that transition from the UFC 1, I remember watching that one in the dojo.

00:57:31.000 And watching the hoist, you know, that was just crazy, right?

00:57:35.000 Guy showed up with a boxing glove on.

00:57:37.000 Art Jemerson.

00:57:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:38.000 One boxing glove.

00:57:39.000 What was that Frenchman's name?

00:57:41.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:44.000 Had the white geek pants on?

00:57:47.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 That guy's responsible for Yuki Nakai being blind.

00:57:51.000 That guy eye-gouged Yuki Nakai and he's got one eye now.

00:57:55.000 Oh, really?

00:57:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:56.000 In the ring?

00:57:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:57.000 I think that was not in the UFC, though.

00:58:00.000 I think that was in Japan Valley Tudo.

00:58:04.000 Yeah.

00:58:05.000 Gardeau?

00:58:05.000 Gerard Gardeau, I believe it is?

00:58:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:08.000 There you go, Gerard Gardeau.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:09.000 Fought with gi pants on, no shirt. 0.62

00:58:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:58:12.000 Hit that dude. 1.00

00:58:13.000 Tooth went with Hackney. 0.97

00:58:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:58:16.000 He fought that big sumo guy.

00:58:18.000 Remember that?

00:58:18.000 When that came out, that was...

00:58:19.000 Fuck, I remember that well. 0.99

00:58:21.000 I didn't see number one when it was live. 0.99

00:58:25.000 I saw number two when it was in a video store.

00:58:28.000 Same thing.

00:58:30.000 You had the Faces of Death videos.

00:58:32.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:58:34.000 Faces of Death.

00:58:35.000 Faces of Death 45. These fucking kids today, it's so easy to get dark shit. 1.00

00:58:42.000 I know. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Car accidents. 1.00

00:58:42.000 You had to stink it. 1.00

00:58:43.000 When we were kids, what'd you rent? 0.89

00:58:45.000 Well, I got...

00:58:49.000 Oh, faces of death.

00:58:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:53.000 That was a good time.

00:58:54.000 I think there's one blockbuster still open.

00:58:56.000 Is there really?

00:58:57.000 Just one.

00:58:57.000 The original.

00:58:58.000 I think it's still open.

00:58:59.000 Where?

00:59:00.000 I knew you were going to ask me that.

00:59:01.000 Is that real?

00:59:03.000 Oregon?

00:59:04.000 Yeah, somewhere up north, right?

00:59:05.000 In Oregon.

00:59:06.000 There's probably no internet up there.

00:59:08.000 That's where Cam Haynes lives.

00:59:09.000 He's out there running.

00:59:10.000 Cameron?

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:11.000 That guy.

00:59:11.000 He's a fucking savage.

00:59:13.000 He's such a savage. 1.00

00:59:14.000 I don't even like hanging out with Cameron because no matter everything I've been through, I still feel weak. 0.95

00:59:19.000 I was like, I know you run up these mountains with frickin' elk on your back, 24 miles.

00:59:23.000 My brother's like that, like Mojo.

00:59:25.000 Oh, yeah?

00:59:25.000 Yeah, when do you meet him?

00:59:28.000 And Cameron, we'll show up.

00:59:31.000 He's always in shape, got a smile on his face.

00:59:33.000 I was like, what have you been doing?

00:59:34.000 Oh, I just ran 900 miles.

00:59:35.000 Good for you, dude.

00:59:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:37.000 I feel like it's such a douche.

00:59:38.000 He forces himself to do it, too.

00:59:40.000 That's the thing.

00:59:41.000 That guy's got a full-time job.

00:59:42.000 I don't feel sorry for him now because advertising this through you and on the web, like, hey, I run it like Goggins.

00:59:48.000 He'll never stop running.

00:59:49.000 I don't think he can.

00:59:50.000 No.

00:59:51.000 He might be one of the hardest dudes on the planet.

00:59:53.000 Him and Cam.

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 There's a few of them.

00:59:56.000 They get together, too.

00:59:57.000 It's funny.

00:59:57.000 It's like their own little club.

00:59:58.000 Cam showed up in Vegas where Goggins lives.

01:00:00.000 He just knocked on his door and said, let's go.

01:00:02.000 And they went out and ran 20 miles at a six and a half minute mile pace. 1.00

01:00:06.000 Hey, pussy, what's up? 1.00

01:00:07.000 I saw you on YouTube. 1.00

01:00:08.000 You want some?

01:00:10.000 Exactly!

01:00:11.000 Exactly.

01:00:11.000 Well, they're good friends.

01:00:13.000 They push each other.

01:00:15.000 Goggins will send me text messages out of nowhere.

01:00:17.000 I'm just letting you know.

01:00:18.000 Stay hard!

01:00:20.000 I'll text him.

01:00:21.000 Goggins, what are you doing?

01:00:22.000 Getting hard?

01:00:23.000 Of course you are.

01:00:25.000 Stay hard.

01:00:25.000 Yeah, stay hard, bro.

01:00:27.000 You stay that way so I can get soft.

01:00:31.000 Again, people like that, they're fuel for everybody else.

01:00:35.000 And Goggins knows it. 1.00

01:00:37.000 One of the conversations I had with him recently, he goes, I think this shit is bigger than me. 1.00

01:00:42.000 He goes, when I get up in the morning and I'm running, it's bigger than me. 1.00

01:00:46.000 There's something moving through me.

01:00:48.000 And I think that's real.

01:00:49.000 I mean, it sounds hyperbolic.

01:00:52.000 It sounds like it's exaggeration, but I don't think it is.

01:00:55.000 I think there's something that's moving through him that is forcing other people to action, and it makes him greater than just an individual.

01:01:02.000 It makes him almost like an antenna.

01:01:05.000 There's something like he's beaming in the power of discipline and the benefit that it has on a human being.

01:01:12.000 He's real.

01:01:13.000 He's real.

01:01:14.000 He's the real deal.

01:01:15.000 There's no doubt about it, man.

01:01:16.000 Obviously, with us, too, it's an evolutionary thing, right?

01:01:19.000 Meaning, like, day by day.

01:01:21.000 Yeah.

01:01:22.000 I've heard stories of him.

01:01:23.000 My favorite one was when he took his shoes off during one of his races and was bleeding through his toenails.

01:01:28.000 I was like, hey, man, it's like a hamburger down there.

01:01:30.000 You probably got to be in a lot of pain.

01:01:32.000 You should quit.

01:01:32.000 He's like, why would pain make me quit?

01:01:35.000 He's the real dude.

01:01:36.000 I mean, we would do Patriot tours.

01:01:38.000 I was on tour with him, and he would run from city to city.

01:01:42.000 And then he'd show up all greased up with his abs, and he's got that sexy caramel look, that milk dud head.

01:01:49.000 And all the wives, I mean, all the girls, everybody's like, where's David?

01:01:53.000 Is he here yet?

01:01:53.000 And I was like, no, he's still running from 500 miles away.

01:01:57.000 He'll get here in a couple minutes.

01:02:01.000 And I remember when he first started this with Mojo and I, he started because of all the guys that died.

01:02:09.000 There are a lot of people that don't understand David.

01:02:12.000 I don't want to say don't like him, because if you knew him, then you'd love him.

01:02:15.000 Right, I agree with that.

01:02:15.000 So there are men down here, like in your family, you have those uncles that you're like, don't mess with him.

01:02:21.000 He's ornery.

01:02:22.000 He's mean.

01:02:23.000 You can't understand him.

01:02:25.000 And he either likes you or doesn't.

01:02:26.000 There are days, David, I mean, he picks on me and Mojo all the time.

01:02:29.000 He's like, what are you doing?

01:02:30.000 I was like, oh, just laying around.

01:02:31.000 He's like, getting soft.

01:02:31.000 I'm like, no, not really.

01:02:33.000 I was just kind of taking a break.

01:02:35.000 And he's like, we don't take breaks.

01:02:37.000 Jocko's the same way.

01:02:38.000 That's real.

01:02:39.000 You have to have those.

01:02:40.000 And then there's the interim in between. 1.00

01:02:42.000 Like I told you in the teens, we got assholes. 1.00

01:02:44.000 They're magnificent. 1.00

01:02:45.000 But they belong to us.

01:02:46.000 And then you've got guys who read physics books and doctors and, like, Ivy League graduates that have multiple degrees.

01:02:52.000 Like, 10-pound heads.

01:02:53.000 When they try to talk to us, they still...

01:02:57.000 We're brothers under the bird, is what we say.

01:02:59.000 Like under the trident.

01:03:00.000 Brothers under the bird.

01:03:01.000 You need all of them.

01:03:02.000 Every one of them.

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:04.000 So take one of them guys from each walk of life in this country and throw them into one fraternity.

01:03:07.000 You're not going to figure out satellites without the eggheads. 1.00

01:03:09.000 That's it.

01:03:10.000 Period.

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 You need them and you need the guys like Jocko that get up at 4.30 in the morning and put themselves through hell.

01:03:16.000 Correct.

01:03:16.000 With no one around.

01:03:17.000 Because some of the eggs, they're like, I don't want to get up. 0.98

01:03:19.000 And Jocko's like, get your ass up. 0.98

01:03:20.000 Jocko's listening to metal at 4.30 in the morning. 0.99

01:03:23.000 I know.

01:03:23.000 Run!

01:03:24.000 Run! 1.00

01:03:26.000 And he's doing fucking dips and fucking muscle ups. 1.00

01:03:29.000 You need those guys. 1.00

01:03:30.000 We were in Ramadi.

01:03:32.000 It was the worst place I'd ever been.

01:03:34.000 After Afghanistan. 0.84

01:03:35.000 Went to Iraq.

01:03:37.000 Excuse me.

01:03:38.000 Anbar province.

01:03:40.000 Chris Kyle was there.

01:03:41.000 That's when he got those.

01:03:41.000 Well, let's explain to people.

01:03:43.000 Many people don't even know this.

01:03:45.000 After that movie, the events that happened in the movie Lone Survivor, you went back.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, I was still in.

01:03:51.000 Yeah, you went back.

01:03:52.000 Correct.

01:03:53.000 You did more tours.

01:03:54.000 Right.

01:03:54.000 And the last one we went on was in Anbar province in Ramadi, Iraq.

01:03:59.000 I was there 06, 07. I... Relieved or ripped out, is what we say.

01:04:05.000 Jocko's platoon, which is Jocko, Chris Kyle, and those guys.

01:04:08.000 And it was hell.

01:04:09.000 I mean, it was the last stand for all.

01:04:11.000 It was like, hey, let's fight.

01:04:15.000 Sleeping in our body armor.

01:04:16.000 I mean, I went out there.

01:04:17.000 We took 18 men, and 14 of them got wounded.

01:04:20.000 I didn't lose one guy.

01:04:24.000 The day before we were redeploying, I had two point men.

01:04:28.000 They run the platoon out and we're doing operations.

01:04:31.000 I'll never...

01:04:32.000 I mean...

01:04:33.000 Schellenberger.

01:04:34.000 I miss you, bro.

01:04:36.000 And then another...

01:04:36.000 Firefighter.

01:04:39.000 That's the name of Stodd, man.

01:04:40.000 Bro, I miss you.

01:04:43.000 He was walking outside the tent and a round came over from outside and hit him in the ribs.

01:04:47.000 And he was sitting next to one of the walls or next to a dumpster and one of our buddies comes walking.

01:04:51.000 I was like, what's wrong with you?

01:04:51.000 He's like, man, I think somebody hit me with a rock.

01:04:53.000 And he had given shot.

01:04:55.000 The x-ray is awesome.

01:04:56.000 It's literally his spine and then you see this 7-6-2 round right in front of it.

01:05:00.000 They can't pull it out.

01:05:01.000 It's been encapsulated.

01:05:02.000 It just has to sit there.

01:05:03.000 He's fine now.

01:05:04.000 But there was a gunfight going outside the wall and it had come over and hit him.

01:05:10.000 So the day before we were coming back, he got hit.

01:05:12.000 And then the other one, Schellenberger, I remember we got back and they had separated us and he went to a different team.

01:05:19.000 It was SDVs.

01:05:19.000 I know you're familiar with our submersible system.

01:05:22.000 Yeah.

01:05:23.000 And two months or so later, maybe it might have been a little bit more, he died underneath an aircraft carrier doing a dive.

01:05:29.000 So the darkest place on the planet is underneath an aircraft carrier at night.

01:05:33.000 It's a modern marvel.

01:05:34.000 6,000 people in air wing.

01:05:36.000 It's a floating city.

01:05:38.000 It's unbelievable how it even holds in water.

01:05:42.000 All of our training is twice as dangerous as real life.

01:05:47.000 We make it that way on purpose.

01:05:48.000 That's why more SEALs die in training than they do in combat.

01:05:52.000 Usually when you see SEALs dying in combat, there's a bunch of us.

01:05:55.000 I mean, we get hit.

01:05:57.000 With us, it was 19. Extortion, it was 31. And it's just the way we are.

01:06:03.000 But coming out of Afghanistan and then rolling into Iraq, I remember seeing Jocko.

01:06:12.000 He had his war face on, so he didn't talk to me.

01:06:15.000 Jocko wakes up with his war face on.

01:06:17.000 No, but I mean, imagine when he's got permission to jack you up.

01:06:21.000 Yes.

01:06:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:22.000 Jocko, he's going to jack you up.

01:06:23.000 Right.

01:06:24.000 He'd go out and raise an American flag out in the middle of the day just to get it going.

01:06:29.000 He's the real deal.

01:06:31.000 So when we found out we were going out there, I was like, yeah. 0.99

01:06:33.000 But then in my head, I was apprehensive because I just had my ass kicked real bad. 0.98

01:06:37.000 And going back, I mean, I had to go back. 0.99

01:06:40.000 Out here in Texas, man, if you get your butt whipped, you go back in for more when you get healed up. 0.97

01:06:43.000 Did you feel that way? 0.99

01:06:44.000 Yeah, I had to.

01:06:46.000 Immediately?

01:06:47.000 Immediately.

01:06:49.000 I mean, look at the fraternity I'm in.

01:06:51.000 And they never looked down on me.

01:06:55.000 Because we went through BUDS together.

01:06:56.000 BUDS stands for Basic Underwater Demolition SEAL Training, but it also means if you take everything away from us, we're still BUDS. Because we survived in hell.

01:07:04.000 And, uh, when we went back out there, matter of fact, the first gunfight I ever got in, I remember taking a knee and kind of sitting there going, what in the hell am I doing here?

01:07:15.000 I mean, it hadn't even been a year.

01:07:17.000 I couldn't even, I could barely walk, really.

01:07:20.000 That's a whole different story altogether.

01:07:21.000 But, um, we, we, anyways, we got out of there and I remember we got back to the bay.

01:07:26.000 I'll tell you the story.

01:07:27.000 We got back to the bay.

01:07:28.000 Some of my new guys walked up to me.

01:07:30.000 It was their first gunfight.

01:07:31.000 And I was like, hey, how you guys doing?

01:07:34.000 You good?

01:07:34.000 I know you got into it.

01:07:36.000 You did what you were supposed to do.

01:07:37.000 Well done.

01:07:38.000 And they were like, well, you know, I was freaking out when the gunfire started.

01:07:41.000 But then I looked up and you were calm and cool.

01:07:44.000 And you look back at us and you look forward and you look back and you kind of made a call and we got out of there.

01:07:48.000 It was smooth.

01:07:49.000 And I was like, keep thinking that, brother.

01:07:51.000 Because when that gunfire started, I took that knee.

01:07:53.000 I was like, what the hell?

01:07:54.000 Yeah.

01:07:56.000 I mean, it was just like that first fight, like when you start getting beaten up again, and then you realize, like, wait a minute, I'm a fighter.

01:08:02.000 And then I was like, okay, well, let's go.

01:08:04.000 And then I stood up and made the call.

01:08:06.000 But there are, in any situation you go into, there's going to be that kind of hesitation.

01:08:11.000 I hear people all the time, like, man, I've been training so long for this, but I still have the fear.

01:08:16.000 And I was like, well, that's different.

01:08:18.000 That's anxiousness.

01:08:19.000 It runs off the same gland.

01:08:20.000 Fear and anxiousness off your adrenals.

01:08:22.000 So in the beginning, you have fear because you're not trained.

01:08:25.000 But then as you train, then it becomes anxiousness.

01:08:27.000 So when that first punch is thrown, that first bullet flies, it's like, oh, let's go.

01:08:31.000 It's a switch.

01:08:32.000 It has to be that way.

01:08:34.000 You don't want to walk around and gauge the whole time.

01:08:36.000 There has to be a trigger.

01:08:37.000 Also, you can't be calm.

01:08:38.000 You can't just be calm about it.

01:08:41.000 That uncomfortable feeling, right, whether it's a fight or what you've gone through, you can be comfortable.

01:08:50.000 So the difference in the ring and in a gunfight is that you have to talk.

01:08:53.000 Like, you're not talking to the dude you're beating up.

01:08:55.000 Like, hey, dude, watch his punt.

01:08:57.000 So with us, when it goes down, you're in a fight, you're like, okay, we need to move this way.

01:09:00.000 And that's why we train like that.

01:09:02.000 In that fight, you've got to learn how to communicate.

01:09:05.000 And that's what kind of slows you down.

01:09:06.000 And we do it so much.

01:09:09.000 So here's the difference between the SEALs and everybody else.

01:09:11.000 In our training, kind of one of the things is, in the beginning, they wear us out all day for weeks on end.

01:09:16.000 And they tire us out, keep us up, and then they start training us.

01:09:19.000 Then you get your pistol, so you're completely exhausted.

01:09:22.000 And when you learn like that, it's muscle memory.

01:09:26.000 So when we get engaged, our enemy will start attacking us, and then they'll be like, oh, I'm wearing them down.

01:09:30.000 And they think that's a good thing.

01:09:33.000 It's not.

01:09:33.000 It's actually a bad thing.

01:09:34.000 Because that's when we start to come up.

01:09:36.000 And that's the separation in our training is they've switched it.

01:09:40.000 Don't you think that that's a lesson that people can...

01:09:43.000 If you can apply that to your life, that anything good that you're going to do is going to make you uncomfortable.

01:09:52.000 Anything difficult.

01:09:54.000 All of it.

01:09:55.000 Even when you have a child.

01:09:57.000 The birth of a child.

01:09:58.000 It's uncomfortable.

01:09:59.000 It's a weird moment.

01:10:00.000 Whether you try a new thing in life, where you move to a new place, where you...

01:10:05.000 When any new business venture you enter into, everything you do that's difficult is going to make you uncomfortable.

01:10:14.000 And that's the only way to get ahead.

01:10:16.000 That's it.

01:10:17.000 But the most extreme version of it that we can all learn from is war. 0.78

01:10:21.000 The most extreme version of it is when the consequences are your existence.

01:10:27.000 You don't exist anymore if you fail.

01:10:34.000 It's only uncomfortable because you haven't been in it.

01:10:38.000 Everything's like that.

01:10:39.000 Getting dressed in the morning, doing everything.

01:10:41.000 I mean, it's the same thing.

01:10:42.000 Imagine you have the capability of being trained in any scenario.

01:10:46.000 It's whether or not you want to get in.

01:10:47.000 All of it.

01:10:48.000 All of it, yeah.

01:10:49.000 Everything makes you uncomfortable.

01:10:50.000 That's new.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 So don't look at it as uncomfortable.

01:10:54.000 Right.

01:10:54.000 Exciting.

01:10:55.000 That's a word somebody...

01:10:55.000 Yeah.

01:10:56.000 Exciting.

01:10:57.000 The fear and everything, like, what?

01:10:58.000 Right?

01:10:59.000 It's exciting.

01:10:59.000 Somebody told you that you were supposed to...

01:11:03.000 My mother had breast cancer here recently.

01:11:06.000 Bad.

01:11:07.000 And she had to go get the surgery.

01:11:11.000 And matriarchal family. 1.00

01:11:12.000 So when my mom's sick, Melanie has to take care of all that. 0.51

01:11:15.000 I'm kind of, when it comes to her, whatever.

01:11:17.000 I'm just, I'm weak.

01:11:19.000 But she recovered with me.

01:11:21.000 So when I got her home, I was like, Ma, check it out.

01:11:24.000 Pain is pain.

01:11:26.000 When we go down in the gym and I'll work out chest as hard as I can, then that night and the next day, I'm a two-day guy, so the pain feels like my chest is being ripped out.

01:11:33.000 I feel like sometimes I work out so hard and I bleed and I puke that I'm being torn apart.

01:11:38.000 I love it!

01:11:39.000 Because I know right after I get done with that, I'm going to be stronger.

01:11:42.000 Because I don't get battle weakened.

01:11:44.000 I get battle hardened.

01:11:45.000 Period!

01:11:46.000 I've had the bones knocked out of me.

01:11:48.000 On the ground, just crying.

01:11:50.000 But I knew that that was just sharpening me.

01:11:53.000 I was like, here's what's going to happen. 0.94

01:11:55.000 We're going to put you under the knife. 0.97

01:11:56.000 You're going to wake up the next morning, you're going to be sore, and you're going to lay up for a week.

01:11:59.000 It's just like we were in the gym, and your chest is sore.

01:12:02.000 One week later, she whipped it like the flu. 1.00

01:12:04.000 She was ready to leave.

01:12:04.000 She's like, I'm tired of being around you, boy.

01:12:08.000 I mean, my mom is something.

01:12:10.000 She's something.

01:12:11.000 That's awesome.

01:12:11.000 But pain is a matter of perspective of the person going through it.

01:12:15.000 Because you and I can train for pain, and I'm like, what is that?

01:12:18.000 I was like, I got arm barred.

01:12:20.000 I got arm barred all the time.

01:12:21.000 I got waterboarded.

01:12:22.000 But if you take someone who's never experienced pain and put them through the same thing that's normal for you, for them, they'd be like, this is horrible.

01:12:28.000 I can't believe this.

01:12:30.000 100%.

01:12:30.000 And you're like, this is Tuesday.

01:12:32.000 Right. 1.00

01:12:32.000 This is normal shit. 1.00

01:12:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:12:35.000 Yeah, it is crazy.

01:12:36.000 We adapt. 1.00

01:12:37.000 That's why people live in fucking Alaska. 1.00

01:12:39.000 That's Eskimos and shit. 1.00

01:12:41.000 We're designed to survive down here. 1.00

01:12:43.000 This thing's more capable than we have.

01:12:46.000 Yes.

01:12:46.000 I mean, we can't even imagine.

01:12:48.000 Once Elon puts everybody on Mars and everywhere else, I mean, stand by.

01:12:52.000 I mean, it's just...

01:12:54.000 It's designed that way.

01:12:55.000 All the wars, all the atrocities that come through, you kind of learn.

01:12:57.000 And so we're kind of going through right now.

01:12:59.000 Right now, most everybody out there is arguing about color and weather.

01:13:02.000 You really can't mess with them two things.

01:13:03.000 They're kind of set.

01:13:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:06.000 So if we're at that point, I'm thinking, okay, well, if that's the last thing we're arguing about, then we're making a transition.

01:13:10.000 Yeah, I think so too.

01:13:12.000 And I think those things are really nonsense.

01:13:15.000 And I think that the people that live in that world and that exchange the currency of that nonsense, they're only doing it because they don't have anything greater.

01:13:26.000 They don't have a larger picture.

01:13:28.000 So the reason why they dwell on color or gender or all these things that aren't important, what's important is the character of you as a human being.

01:13:38.000 And if you concentrate on color or gender or sexuality or whatever the fuck it is that you're boiling people down to, you're only doing that because you lack the other experiences.

01:13:52.000 Sure, like I said earlier, man, it's what's different makes us unique.

01:13:55.000 We all drive similar cars, similar colors, but what do you do?

01:13:58.000 You throw a bumper sticker on it, hang some stuff in a mirror, like lower it, raise it.

01:14:03.000 The differences are great.

01:14:04.000 Yeah, man.

01:14:04.000 It's supposed to be.

01:14:05.000 That's the best part.

01:14:06.000 But the camaraderie in similarities is great, too.

01:14:10.000 One of the beautiful things about Texas is moving to Texas is like moving to a country.

01:14:15.000 It feels like a country.

01:14:17.000 It does.

01:14:18.000 The people here, I've never felt more at home.

01:14:23.000 Oh, it's something.

01:14:24.000 It's a thing.

01:14:25.000 It's a thing.

01:14:27.000 My seventh grade teacher, I was cutting up in class.

01:14:29.000 He pulled me outside and he kind of poked me in the chest.

01:14:31.000 He asked me what kind of Texan I was going to be.

01:14:32.000 I'll never forget that.

01:14:34.000 Never forget it.

01:14:36.000 And when you come out here, man, we're all different.

01:14:38.000 Like, you live in Austin.

01:14:39.000 That's kind of our own little California.

01:14:41.000 We love having it here.

01:14:42.000 We do.

01:14:43.000 The further you venture away from that, it gets...

01:14:45.000 I mean, if you're in West Texas, completely different than East.

01:14:48.000 North and South, completely different.

01:14:50.000 But the schwagger is the same.

01:14:53.000 There's a video that I listen to.

01:14:54.000 You know who Billy Allsbrook is?

01:14:56.000 No.

01:14:57.000 So if you're ever having a bad day, listen to that dude.

01:14:59.000 Who is he?

01:15:00.000 He's a motivational guy.

01:15:01.000 Billy Allsbrook.

01:15:02.000 There's a couple of guys I listen to every morning.

01:15:04.000 He has this one called I Am A Champion.

01:15:05.000 And take the word champion out and put Texan.

01:15:07.000 What does he do?

01:15:08.000 What is his thing?

01:15:09.000 You pull him up?

01:15:11.000 How do you spell his name?

01:15:12.000 A-L. Allsbrook?

01:15:14.000 Yeah, Allsbrook.

01:15:15.000 A-L-B-R-O-O-K-S. Allbrooks. 1.00

01:15:18.000 And so he's like, hey, I wake up in the morning.

01:15:20.000 I'm like, good morning, Texan.

01:15:22.000 I look in the mirror.

01:15:23.000 I'm like, good morning, Texan.

01:15:24.000 I eat like a Texan.

01:15:26.000 I walk like a Texan.

01:15:27.000 If I got to go over it, around it, and unfortunately, if I got to go through it, I'm going to go through it like a Texan.

01:15:32.000 On my gravestone, it's going to say Texan, right?

01:15:36.000 This means I will be as friendly as humanly possible.

01:15:39.000 I want you to entertain yourself and love everything around you. 1.00

01:15:42.000 The minute you get out of line, I'm going to bust your ass through the fucking concrete. 1.00

01:15:46.000 Because it's a reputation around here. 1.00

01:15:49.000 We enforce our own. 0.65

01:15:50.000 Police, police the peaceful people.

01:15:52.000 Then you have everybody in between.

01:15:53.000 You get out in West Texas and get some of them rednecks, man, with them country boys, they don't tolerate you talking back to their women. 1.00

01:15:58.000 Women are a big thing around here. 1.00

01:16:00.000 Our Texas women, man, we don't like it when you disrespect them, man. 1.00

01:16:05.000 That's a thing.

01:16:06.000 Well, this is a Wild West state.

01:16:08.000 It is.

01:16:08.000 This is a state that was forged in the battle with the Comanches.

01:16:11.000 Yeah, which was, bro.

01:16:12.000 Have you read Empire of the Summer Moon?

01:16:14.000 I have.

01:16:15.000 What's up?

01:16:16.000 I had Sam Buen on the podcast. 1.00

01:16:19.000 That's the fucking shit. 1.00

01:16:20.000 I had the guy who wrote that. 1.00

01:16:22.000 Those women would tear you up. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:16:23.000 Like, man, don't worry about the dudes. 1.00

01:16:24.000 If you slip past the girl, man.

01:16:26.000 Do you see I had Quanah Parker?

01:16:28.000 I got a photo of him out there.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, we were talking about that.

01:16:30.000 Yeah.

01:16:31.000 Who's the guy in the plane?

01:16:34.000 He was the director for...

01:16:35.000 Jeff was telling me.

01:16:37.000 The guy on the plane?

01:16:38.000 In the plane with the pistol?

01:16:39.000 Hunter Thompson.

01:16:39.000 What's that?

01:16:40.000 The Hunter Thompson picture.

01:16:41.000 Oh, Hunter S. Thompson.

01:16:42.000 Oh, that photo.

01:16:43.000 Yeah, that's Hunter.

01:16:46.000 So Mel was giving some lessons on Texas and what you're supposed to do.

01:16:49.000 You're supposed to go to Whataburger, eat Blue Bell ice cream, visit a Bucky's because it's like a mall.

01:16:54.000 You've got to go to the Alamo and you've got to know when we fought.

01:16:56.000 Do you know who the other guy is out there?

01:16:58.000 Jack Hayes?

01:16:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:59.000 I didn't know him.

01:17:00.000 That's the original Texas Ranger.

01:17:02.000 Oh, on the wall there.

01:17:03.000 No, the guy that's...

01:17:03.000 On the picture.

01:17:04.000 Yeah, that photo.

01:17:04.000 Hayes.

01:17:05.000 Yeah, Jack Hayes.

01:17:06.000 Captain Jack Hayes.

01:17:07.000 Yeah.

01:17:07.000 The story on him is legendary.

01:17:09.000 Original Texas Ranger.

01:17:10.000 The story on him, legendary.

01:17:11.000 Yeah, he's a savage.

01:17:12.000 Look at his hair. 1.00

01:17:13.000 It's all fucked up. 0.99

01:17:13.000 Have you run across any of our rangers yet? 0.99

01:17:15.000 No.

01:17:15.000 Okay, check it out.

01:17:17.000 I was trying to explain this earlier, so have you run across any of our police?

01:17:20.000 Yeah, sure.

01:17:21.000 Okay, they're all different.

01:17:22.000 Like, if you run into the highway boys, like the black and whites, and they come out and just be your best, like... 0.99

01:17:27.000 Kill them with kindness, and they'll normally let you go. 0.99

01:17:29.000 The minute you're like, what's the problem? 1.00

01:17:30.000 Then you're in for it.

01:17:31.000 I've never done that.

01:17:33.000 I don't want to do that.

01:17:34.000 I mean, then they'll find some stuff, right?

01:17:36.000 But our rangers, you'll see them.

01:17:38.000 They walk in, they have white shirts on, buttoned down, all starched up, pants, and they got a rig on there that looks like it's made out of the Old West, and they got a 10-star and a hat on.

01:17:46.000 I was always taught never even to look at them, because they'll just find some reason to mess with you.

01:17:50.000 Not pick on you, just like, hey, you know, they're the real deal.

01:17:53.000 They've been through a lot in our Rangers or something.

01:17:56.000 So, there's kind of a, it's always a bragging right.

01:17:58.000 Because Captain Hayes, Jack, all them guys, what they had to go through.

01:18:01.000 I think he gave a speech to his troops right before he died.

01:18:04.000 He was sitting in camp telling him, like, hey, I'm proud of you.

01:18:06.000 And they just promoted him to cabin and he freaking died.

01:18:09.000 And there's some good ones with the stories that come out of that.

01:18:14.000 I actually have a book that was gifted to me that has the signatures of all the Texas Rangers current and a lot of them that are past.

01:18:21.000 That's one of the coolest things I got.

01:18:25.000 People give me stuff sometimes.

01:18:26.000 I can't even believe how fortunate I am.

01:18:30.000 I mean, especially to live here. 0.89

01:18:31.000 Does it feel weird because your story has been elevated to the point of, like, Hollywood movies and, you know, Marky Mark played you in a movie and all that weird shit? 0.88

01:18:41.000 How great is he? 0.94

01:18:41.000 He's amazing. 0.94

01:18:42.000 Look, I'm telling you, man, as much as people like to give that guy shit... 1.00

01:18:46.000 Who does? 1.00

01:18:48.000 Assholes. 1.00

01:18:49.000 Where? 1.00

01:18:50.000 Go online.

01:18:50.000 Tell him to call me!

01:18:53.000 Because he's doing push-ups with Dr. Oz.

01:18:56.000 I don't care what he does.

01:18:57.000 Do whatever the hell he wants, man.

01:18:58.000 Listen, he nailed that movie.

01:19:00.000 He nailed that movie.

01:19:00.000 He nails a lot of movies.

01:19:02.000 Boston Boy.

01:19:03.000 Yeah, that's where I'm from.

01:19:04.000 I know.

01:19:05.000 So, I mean, there's a kindred spirit.

01:19:07.000 I always told him, I was like, hey man, you're the city version of me.

01:19:10.000 And when it came time to picking the actors for the movie...

01:19:13.000 You want to talk about that?

01:19:14.000 No.

01:19:15.000 No.

01:19:16.000 I didn't pick him.

01:19:18.000 He was the only one I didn't have any say in.

01:19:19.000 Who did you pick?

01:19:20.000 So Ben Foster?

01:19:22.000 Ben Foster.

01:19:23.000 He played Axe.

01:19:24.000 Oh, dude. 0.99

01:19:24.000 Ben Foster is fucking amazing. 0.99

01:19:26.000 That's the guy who's in 30 Days of Night, that vampire movie. 0.99

01:19:29.000 You remember that? 1.00

01:19:30.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:19:32.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:19:33.000 That guy's in everything good. 1.00

01:19:35.000 He's incredible.

01:19:36.000 He's incredible.

01:19:37.000 He's incredible.

01:19:39.000 When I was...

01:19:40.000 Cool story with he and I. The first time we met, he called me.

01:19:43.000 He's like, hey, what are you doing?

01:19:44.000 I've got to pick up my truck in Texas and drive to the set in New Mexico.

01:19:48.000 So I asked Mellie, I was like, hey, you mind if I road trip with him?

01:19:51.000 She's like, is that a good idea?

01:19:52.000 You don't even know him.

01:19:53.000 I was like, I think it is.

01:19:54.000 I mean, how bad could it be, right?

01:19:57.000 I was like, one of two things is going to happen.

01:19:58.000 I'm either going to leave him in the desert or we're going to show up best friends.

01:20:02.000 Plain and simple.

01:20:04.000 There's some gray area in between.

01:20:05.000 That's a gray area.

01:20:07.000 It's a real big desert out there in West Texas, man.

01:20:09.000 So we started driving.

01:20:11.000 Met up in Dallas at a gas station.

01:20:12.000 First time I ever saw him.

01:20:15.000 Within about 15 minutes of that road...

01:20:17.000 That's how you know if you can get along with somebody.

01:20:19.000 Road trip with them.

01:20:19.000 Get in a car with them and drive cross-country, right?

01:20:21.000 True.

01:20:22.000 By the time we got to the set, we were best buddies.

01:20:24.000 Still are to this day, man.

01:20:25.000 I mean, I was married, kids.

01:20:26.000 I called and checked on him.

01:20:28.000 Him and Wahlberg.

01:20:30.000 He's something.

01:20:31.000 The only thing I gave Wahlberg on the set, I was like, man, don't try and talk like a Southern boy.

01:20:35.000 Don't say...

01:20:37.000 And then there's a scene in the movie where he's like, hey, y'all, I'm about fixing to do something.

01:20:40.000 I was like, man, those are double.

01:20:41.000 We can't put them two together.

01:20:45.000 Don't fake the funk. 1.00

01:20:46.000 Don't fake my southern accent, damn it. 1.00

01:20:49.000 Be your boss himself. 0.99

01:20:52.000 So with Mark, it was kind of different.

01:20:55.000 It was difficult.

01:20:55.000 The first time I met him, I remember that we were driving up on set.

01:20:58.000 And I was actually driving Ben's truck.

01:21:01.000 It was Mellie and I. And we're driving into the SWAT training range.

01:21:06.000 We're teaching them how to shoot the live fire guns, the M4s and everything. 0.68

01:21:08.000 We train the mess out of them.

01:21:10.000 And as we're driving in, Good Vibrations comes on the radio.

01:21:15.000 Seriously.

01:21:16.000 Like, I didn't program that or anything.

01:21:17.000 I'm just kind of driving in.

01:21:18.000 I got the windows down.

01:21:19.000 It's a beautiful day.

01:21:19.000 Good Vibrations comes on the radio.

01:21:21.000 Marky Mark and the funky bunch.

01:21:23.000 Great, right?

01:21:24.000 Yes.

01:21:24.000 So good.

01:21:25.000 Old school.

01:21:26.000 Old school.

01:21:26.000 So Mel's over there just jamming out.

01:21:28.000 She's like, oh, I had pictures of his poster on my wall, hitting his underwear.

01:21:31.000 I'm like...

01:21:33.000 What?

01:21:34.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:21:35.000 Like, I started going like that route.

01:21:36.000 I'm like, keep talking.

01:21:37.000 Keep talking.

01:21:39.000 So when I showed up on set, I was already pissed at him.

01:21:43.000 I remember walking in.

01:21:44.000 They kind of kept us separated.

01:21:46.000 And I was like, what's up, man?

01:21:47.000 He's like, hey, what's up?

01:21:48.000 And in my head, I was like, man, you know.

01:21:55.000 And then with Taylor, Taylor Kitsch and Emile, We all had to spend...

01:22:02.000 We were always together.

01:22:03.000 Like, on that set, there were people showing up that were like, Hey, look, I'm not even getting paid to be here.

01:22:07.000 It's just an honor to be here.

01:22:09.000 The stuntmen tried to kill themselves.

01:22:12.000 And when people ask about the movie, I was like, We made it as realistic as possible without killing them dudes.

01:22:17.000 The stuntmen, when they're going over those rocks.

01:22:19.000 Look. 1.00

01:22:20.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

01:22:22.000 There's no way to fake that. 1.00

01:22:23.000 The way they hit those rocks.

01:22:24.000 There was no CGI. There was like 90 cameras down that mountain, and they just threw them.

01:22:30.000 I mean, they got hurt so bad.

01:22:32.000 And I remember Pete made me leave during the gun.

01:22:34.000 He's like, hey, you know, I don't want you to get stressed out or anything.

01:22:37.000 I was like, man, I went through this in real life.

01:22:39.000 Why would this kind of stress me out?

01:22:40.000 Because the difference when I tell between the movie and real life is like, this is as far as we could push the actors and the stuntmen without killing them.

01:22:46.000 The one thing about team guys is when we learn how to operate, we learn how to get efficient, just like every other Green Beret and Ranger.

01:22:52.000 But then after, SEALs try to look cool while we're doing it.

01:22:55.000 And the thing on the mountain is when we're falling, like in the movie, it kind of looks sexy while they're doing that.

01:22:59.000 In real life, it's not.

01:23:01.000 It wasn't sexy.

01:23:03.000 I mean, we were getting ripped apart.

01:23:05.000 Bad.

01:23:07.000 I mean, like you couldn't believe.

01:23:09.000 And I just remember, I remember thinking like...

01:23:15.000 I couldn't believe that someone else was willing to go through that.

01:23:18.000 I remember thinking to the actors and watching them.

01:23:20.000 I was like, man, because we were on top of the mountain, just sitting out there all day and stuff.

01:23:23.000 I was like, man, I'm sorry you guys got to go through all that.

01:23:27.000 And there was team guys all around them.

01:23:29.000 I mean, so every time they would move or shoot or do something, it had to be authentic.

01:23:33.000 Now, if you ask a team guy, like, hey, did you like any Navy SEAL movies?

01:23:37.000 They'll all say no, unless they're lying to you.

01:23:39.000 Because no SEAL likes movies about themselves.

01:23:42.000 They'll always find something that's wrong with it.

01:23:45.000 A good team guy will.

01:23:46.000 That's just the way it is.

01:23:48.000 But with us, I was like, hey, if the families were satisfied, and I told Pete, this is kind of a little thing, I was like, hey man, if I see this on TNT during Veterans Day, you did a good job.

01:23:58.000 And it showed up there.

01:24:00.000 But no matter how you slice it, I mean, the outcome, we all died.

01:24:07.000 Man, it was the craziest ride, bro.

01:24:11.000 Good.

01:24:13.000 I mean, in my lowest point, going through all those surgeries, then they put me with the stars.

01:24:18.000 And they just cheered me up.

01:24:20.000 It's the weirdest dynamic.

01:24:22.000 Like, I was supposed to be miserable and in pain all the time, but I was with them.

01:24:26.000 And they were just like, hey, good job.

01:24:29.000 People always ask me what I feel about that.

01:24:31.000 I was like, well, everyone always said I always did a good job.

01:24:33.000 Even though I got whipped.

01:24:35.000 They whipped me so bad, I got whipped back to my mother. 1.00

01:24:37.000 You ever had your ass whipped so bad, you got whipped back to your mother? 0.99

01:24:41.000 When people ask me about the fight in real life, it was probably over about three hours. 1.00

01:24:45.000 Three hours.

01:24:47.000 And Navy SEALs, we love our gear.

01:24:49.000 Like you issue us something, man, we love it.

01:24:51.000 I started that fight with all my friends and all my gear.

01:24:54.000 By the end of it, three and a half hours later, I was butt naked and all my gear was gone and all my friends were dead. 1.00

01:24:58.000 They whipped my ass while I was naked. 1.00

01:25:01.000 You ever been whipped like that? 1.00

01:25:03.000 I hadn't.

01:25:03.000 I've never been whipped like that.

01:25:05.000 Like they just kept coming.

01:25:08.000 So much so, I was so busted up that I didn't know what to do.

01:25:13.000 I was scared to death.

01:25:14.000 It was the only time I'd ever been afraid.

01:25:17.000 I was afraid.

01:25:18.000 Because the difference between fear and being afraid is afraid will leave you a blobbering mess.

01:25:22.000 You'll just be laying there.

01:25:23.000 I didn't know what to do.

01:25:24.000 I was more like a battery.

01:25:26.000 You put me into my friends, I'll charge.

01:25:28.000 You take them away from me, I'll just sit around.

01:25:31.000 I didn't know what to do. 0.85

01:25:33.000 And I lay there all damn day in that hole trying to figure out what I needed to do. 0.94

01:25:38.000 And eventually it was like, get up and just start crawling. 0.96

01:25:40.000 And I did that.

01:25:41.000 And it got me here.

01:25:44.000 But I don't care.

01:25:46.000 I was in a hole in Afghanistan.

01:25:47.000 All my friends were dead and I was naked dying.

01:25:50.000 And now I'm sitting right here with you.

01:25:52.000 So you can't tell me that the hardest part of your day is not going to reveal the best part of it.

01:25:56.000 You just don't know when that's coming.

01:25:59.000 And I never could understand that until...

01:26:03.000 Life took charge and pushed me through it.

01:26:06.000 Then I started to think about it.

01:26:10.000 I was like, hey man, them guys paid the ultimate sacrifice.

01:26:12.000 If you come down here to learn how to live while you're dying, they got checked out early, which means they did a good job.

01:26:17.000 I'm still working on mine.

01:26:18.000 I'm still trying to get my stuff done.

01:26:20.000 I always looked at it as that.

01:26:22.000 My teammates would always push me.

01:26:25.000 Seals are the worst.

01:26:26.000 They come down on me harder than anybody.

01:26:28.000 There's stuff I'll say on this podcast and they'll rip me up.

01:26:31.000 Good.

01:26:32.000 That's how I know they love me, right?

01:26:33.000 Because that's their opinion.

01:26:34.000 I need to hear it.

01:26:35.000 But I just try to do, because I was in that loss column, right? 0.99

01:26:39.000 I was like, I got my ass whipped. 0.98

01:26:40.000 No team guy likes to see that. 0.99

01:26:41.000 So I always keep my head down.

01:26:43.000 Stay humble.

01:26:44.000 I tell myself that every day.

01:26:45.000 Stay humble.

01:26:46.000 Stay humble.

01:26:47.000 Stay humble.

01:26:47.000 Daily control.

01:26:49.000 And work harder than everybody else.

01:26:51.000 The only thing I ever had going for me was my work ethic.

01:26:54.000 If anybody out there thinks I got special skills or something like that, took that away from me at birth.

01:26:57.000 I had to earn it.

01:27:00.000 That's why it's so difficult for me.

01:27:03.000 They call me the anchor man.

01:27:04.000 I was the slowest guy to ever graduate, Buzz.

01:27:06.000 Slowest runner.

01:27:06.000 I mean, it's funny.

01:27:09.000 I mean, sometimes I'm like, Trill, how the hell do you even get in here?

01:27:12.000 I was like, I don't know.

01:27:13.000 By happenstance, I guess.

01:27:15.000 And then they're like, all right.

01:27:16.000 But then when it came time to putting out, I put out like 10 men.

01:27:21.000 That's all you got to think about.

01:27:22.000 Like, I don't care what anybody thinks about you, man.

01:27:24.000 You put out and it's fine.

01:27:27.000 Style is your style.

01:27:28.000 Did you make a conscious decision to not watch the movie?

01:27:32.000 They wouldn't let me.

01:27:33.000 They wouldn't let you.

01:27:34.000 I remember that he would show it to me in increments, and then I remember the first time Pete pulled the family out there.

01:27:45.000 My mother was there and my wife.

01:27:48.000 I think Mellie knew the story, but she never had any kind of idea of what was going on.

01:27:55.000 Thank you.

01:27:57.000 And then I remember they watched it and I came back in afterwards and she just came up and held me.

01:28:06.000 Not like your wife normally does. 1.00

01:28:08.000 Like, she's happy to see you.

01:28:09.000 Like, held me like I was damaged.

01:28:12.000 Like, she was sorry I had to go through that.

01:28:14.000 I'll never forget that.

01:28:15.000 And then my mother was like, why is there so much profanity?

01:28:17.000 I was like, Mom, I... I was like, Mom, I... So many guys get shot in the head.

01:28:24.000 I know, I was like...

01:28:26.000 I was like, Ma, I cuss a little bit when I'm fighting.

01:28:29.000 It's a thing.

01:28:31.000 That's hilarious.

01:28:32.000 Can you believe that?

01:28:34.000 I can, and I love it.

01:28:35.000 I know, it's so good.

01:28:39.000 That's how I knew Pete did what he was supposed to do.

01:28:43.000 When we were making the movie, this is the greatest question.

01:28:46.000 If they were going to make a movie about you, who would you get to play you?

01:28:50.000 Me?

01:28:50.000 Andy Dick.

01:28:51.000 That's a good choice.

01:28:54.000 I freaking love that guy's humor, man.

01:28:56.000 Most people kind of know that.

01:28:59.000 I was like, Denzel.

01:29:01.000 Like, walk like Denzel and Travolta.

01:29:03.000 Like, you kind of add it to it.

01:29:05.000 Like, the actors throughout the world, you know, they're just the coolest dude, right?

01:29:09.000 But when it's time, when it really happens, like, hey, who would you like?

01:29:12.000 I'm like, oh, all right, let's think about this.

01:29:14.000 So that's why I said, you know, for me to pick somebody to play me, that wouldn't be fair.

01:29:20.000 Did you have ideas?

01:29:21.000 Not from...

01:29:22.000 No.

01:29:25.000 No, no, not really.

01:29:27.000 Because when they asked me that, I go, man, I don't have any freaking idea.

01:29:30.000 It's gotta be so hard.

01:29:31.000 I mean, because I got a little bit of McConaughey, a little bit of Jeff Bridges from Big Lebowski.

01:29:37.000 I got Dude and the Walter.

01:29:39.000 And I mean, there's everything in there in between, right?

01:29:41.000 And then when you're kind of sitting there and they think about it, and I'm like, I'll tell you what, I'll just pick the other, help you with the other guys.

01:29:46.000 You ask my friends.

01:29:48.000 They'll tell you which one of these guys can portray me.

01:29:51.000 And we stuck with it.

01:29:53.000 Mm-hmm.

01:29:54.000 That worked out.

01:29:55.000 Well, he nailed it. 0.81

01:29:56.000 I mean, he didn't nail it, because it wasn't you, but it was the best, like, vehicle for carrying your story, because he's a legit movie star, and he did a great job, and there was no bullshit in it. 0.85

01:30:10.000 There's no fluff in that movie, you know?

01:30:12.000 There's like...

01:30:12.000 You know, there's war movies that I'm sure...

01:30:15.000 I've never experienced war, but I'm sure there's war movies that make you angry.

01:30:19.000 Like, you watch them and you're like, Jesus Christ.

01:30:21.000 Yeah.

01:30:22.000 This is a bastardization of the real thing.

01:30:26.000 That wasn't that.

01:30:27.000 It's...

01:30:28.000 Go ahead.

01:30:28.000 Yeah, Peter Berg nailed it.

01:30:30.000 He nailed it.

01:30:32.000 I think it's funny with war movies because sometimes people ask me, like, hey, what's your favorite war movie?

01:30:41.000 I'm like, well, in what regard?

01:30:44.000 Because if you're talking about, like, gunfire, like, what it means, like, if you see somebody really getting it on...

01:30:48.000 Have you ever seen Heat?

01:30:49.000 Yeah.

01:30:50.000 That gunplay, when they're out there on the street, man, that is serious business.

01:30:53.000 Um...

01:30:55.000 Keanu Reeves.

01:30:56.000 Tom Cruise.

01:30:57.000 Them gunplaying John Wick.

01:30:59.000 That's Keanu's own little thing.

01:31:02.000 That's tough.

01:31:03.000 I tell people when they teach self-defense to women. 1.00

01:31:06.000 They're like, hey, we're going to do this.

01:31:07.000 We're going to come through here and do this.

01:31:09.000 I'm like, that's all whatever.

01:31:10.000 Good.

01:31:10.000 There's three spots on a dude you need to hit.

01:31:12.000 Shut them down.

01:31:14.000 With women, when it comes to pistols, they teach them how to hold them out and do all this stuff. 1.00

01:31:17.000 That's all well and good, too. 0.73

01:31:18.000 But all you need to do is tuck them arms underneath them titties, put that pistol right there, and wherever you point them headlights, that's going.

01:31:23.000 Yeah. 0.76

01:31:24.000 And no pressure whatsoever.

01:31:27.000 So you can overtrain somebody, or you can just, over my life, through all the martial arts and SEAL teams and everything I'd ever been trained and worked with, you realize, and I'm a medic.

01:31:36.000 Like, I know all the body functions, I know how they work, path of blood, everything.

01:31:40.000 I was trained in that.

01:31:41.000 So I know where to go to shut something off.

01:31:44.000 Like, a lot of people, when they get in a fight, I'm like, no, no, man, if I'm gonna shut you down, like, self-defense will just shut you down. 0.99

01:31:50.000 As big as I am, as much as I weigh, I don't give a shit who you are. 0.98

01:31:53.000 If I come at you and I'm coming from your throat, there's nothing you can do to stop me. 0.99

01:31:56.000 I mean, there's those openings.

01:31:58.000 So when you kind of...

01:31:59.000 As we progress and with my wife and everything, I kind of train them in that certain way.

01:32:07.000 You can...

01:32:11.000 It's kind of funny with us, and we talk about this in SEAL teams.

01:32:13.000 I was like, man, they give us so much tech.

01:32:15.000 I mean, look, we drop out of the sky, bro, with green eyes, freaking bulletproof.

01:32:20.000 And they give us the stuff to where we end it quick.

01:32:23.000 And we do that so they don't leave us there.

01:32:25.000 Because if you take that away from us, and we're like, I'm not going to kill you. 0.73

01:32:28.000 I came here to whip you until you get in line. 0.99

01:32:30.000 I'm just going to sit here and send my boys in. 0.96

01:32:32.000 We're going to whip you down until you just do it to what I'm going to do, right? 0.98

01:32:36.000 I mean, how do you weigh that?

01:32:39.000 Right?

01:32:39.000 We're so well trained that it has to be that way.

01:32:44.000 It's not that hard to kill a human being and we got nuclear weapons. 0.84

01:32:47.000 What in the hell is that all about? 0.99

01:32:48.000 We got enough weapons to kill everybody that's ever lived. 0.99

01:32:50.000 I mean, are you kidding me?

01:32:51.000 I mean, sometimes, and I was trained for that.

01:32:53.000 I was trained for it, yeah.

01:32:55.000 And now when you look back at it, you're like, okay, if you're really pissed off at somebody, then we'll set it our way.

01:33:00.000 Then you'll know.

01:33:02.000 I just think sometimes we get so aggressive and People are scared of something they shouldn't be.

01:33:12.000 They're scared of something different. 0.99

01:33:13.000 So you want to kill it? 0.99

01:33:14.000 Man, don't kill it. 1.00

01:33:14.000 Just understand it. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Even with us, right?

01:33:17.000 When we walk into a room, same way with the animals.

01:33:19.000 If we walk into a room somewhere and there's a bunch of guys in there, we'll do the walk-by.

01:33:23.000 I was like, hey, I want you to see me first.

01:33:25.000 And then we'll come back around and be like, hey, what's going on?

01:33:28.000 And then eventually you kind of slowly open up that bander. 0.98

01:33:32.000 So it's a respect thing.

01:33:33.000 It's like an offensive-defensive thing.

01:33:36.000 My hope is that when I meet someone, I never have to do that.

01:33:39.000 I meet someone like you.

01:33:40.000 If I meet someone like you, I don't have to do that.

01:33:42.000 I shake your hand.

01:33:43.000 And we'll look at each other in the eye.

01:33:45.000 I go, what's up?

01:33:46.000 How you doing?

01:33:46.000 What's up, man?

01:33:47.000 How you doing?

01:33:48.000 And we're good.

01:33:48.000 That's it, yeah.

01:33:49.000 The problem is when people are vulnerable or they're insecure or they just don't understand who they are, and then you have to do this sort of slow dance with them and get to be comfortable with them.

01:34:02.000 It's crazy, right?

01:34:02.000 I appreciate people that I can just be myself with.

01:34:06.000 And there's not a lot of them.

01:34:07.000 It's too hard.

01:34:08.000 What is that?

01:34:11.000 Where you grow up?

01:34:12.000 Well, it's a lot of things.

01:34:13.000 It's life experience.

01:34:15.000 It's accomplishments.

01:34:18.000 It's the things you've seen.

01:34:20.000 The dark moments you've had by yourself.

01:34:24.000 There's so many things.

01:34:26.000 You know, it's like...

01:34:27.000 Your life is just a wild spectrum of experiences and some people have had a limited number of those and those people are the scariest because those people they don't know who they are and they want to establish themselves and they want to force themselves on you and they don't even know who they are yet.

01:34:51.000 The people that know who they are, like a guy like Jocko or a guy like Goggins or you or Cam Haynes or people who know who they are, they're so easy to meet.

01:34:59.000 They're so easy.

01:35:00.000 They're so friendly.

01:35:01.000 They look you in the eye and you look them in the eye and you're like, all right, we're all right.

01:35:04.000 We're good.

01:35:04.000 And if the world was like that, if the world was filled with men who have accomplished things, who understand who they are and know their weaknesses and know their strengths...

01:35:15.000 We'd be so much better off.

01:35:17.000 But the real vulnerability in our society and our culture is men who don't know their weaknesses and they want to pretend.

01:35:24.000 They want to pretend they're something they're not and they want to weaken other people around them.

01:35:29.000 They want to diminish other people's accomplishments.

01:35:33.000 They want to, instead of being inspired by other folks, they want to diminish those folks.

01:35:39.000 It's just an insecurity and insecurity comes out of a lack of experience.

01:35:44.000 And it comes out of a lack of testing yourself.

01:35:47.000 And this is one of the genuine problems that we have with human beings in our society.

01:35:57.000 Yeah.

01:35:59.000 What is it, like 53% of all Americans don't even leave their town?

01:36:03.000 Is that real?

01:36:04.000 They don't even go outside their own wheelhouse, so...

01:36:08.000 As they progress through the ranks and you stay there, you'll develop your own reputation in that town.

01:36:13.000 It's usually when someone like us runs into that town and we run into them and There's no reason why I should ever be insecure about things that you're proficient at.

01:36:23.000 I didn't train in it.

01:36:25.000 You're supposed to enjoy that.

01:36:27.000 That's the best part.

01:36:28.000 The way you think and everything teaches me something, so not only do I not have to go through it, you did.

01:36:34.000 If you talk to me and I listen, I can understand it.

01:36:37.000 If I run into anything like you, I'll deal with it.

01:36:40.000 I can understand it.

01:36:42.000 Because some people will get worked up like, man, he's like, well, you know, where's he from?

01:36:46.000 I mean, just kind of step back and think about that.

01:36:50.000 As we grow up, the lucky part about us is we had to leave. 0.99

01:36:53.000 Like with the men, back when the Spartans, hey, your ass is leaving. 0.98

01:36:57.000 Yeah, that's why they did it. 0.99

01:36:59.000 Yeah, that's why they did that.

01:37:00.000 That's why they did it.

01:37:01.000 You get a community or a civilization that literally learns how to run so proficient, then you're like, okay, you know, as kids, as boys, man, it's got to be hard.

01:37:08.000 We're going to put you through this.

01:37:10.000 I think men just struggle with being defined by other people's opinions of them.

01:37:16.000 It's a real problem.

01:37:18.000 Your opinion of yourself should be based on your experiences in life and other people's opinions of you should be based on what you've accomplished and who you are and how you are when you meet them and it should be undeniable.

01:37:33.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 Never let anybody's perception of you become your reality.

01:37:36.000 Yeah. 0.88

01:37:37.000 Because they don't know what you're going through, and they may catch you in that part when you're on the downtrodden, or you're getting your ass handed to you, or you're on the peak of it. 0.95

01:37:44.000 Yes. 0.74

01:37:45.000 So, I mean, don't even...

01:37:47.000 Think like it was motivation.

01:37:49.000 Like, that was me wrapped up in that body telling you, hey, you're not doing good enough.

01:37:53.000 Right?

01:37:53.000 It's like a motivational thing to you.

01:37:55.000 It shouldn't be...

01:37:56.000 I think?

01:38:12.000 Very similar experiences, and then all of a sudden you're getting all this focus and attention.

01:38:18.000 Did you feel like it wasn't warranted, you didn't deserve it, or you felt like you need to spread it around to all your other brothers who you knew had also died?

01:38:28.000 That's a great question.

01:38:29.000 In our community, that's tough.

01:38:32.000 And when they were telling me, like, hey, we've got to debrief this, put it into a book, into a movie, I was like, wait a minute, are you kidding me?

01:38:37.000 Right.

01:38:38.000 I was like, my brothers are going to chew me up and spit me out. 0.87

01:38:40.000 Right. 0.61

01:38:41.000 And they did.

01:38:42.000 But then I carried myself a certain way.

01:38:48.000 They'll always talk bad about me.

01:38:49.000 If you're not getting picked on in the SEAL community, that means they don't like you.

01:38:52.000 If somebody comes up and they're like, hey bro, good job.

01:38:54.000 Come on.

01:38:58.000 We're a family.

01:38:59.000 None of my brothers really will ever compliment me.

01:39:03.000 They love me and we love each other and we'll fight to the death for each other, but they will never pay me a compliment. 1.00

01:39:09.000 As a matter of fact, the harder they are on me, they're like, hey, you're a piece of shit. 1.00

01:39:13.000 I'm like, that means good job, right? 1.00

01:39:16.000 So, each one of them are different.

01:39:18.000 I never judged...

01:39:21.000 When we're in, it's kind of unique because we're in platoons.

01:39:23.000 There are different guys.

01:39:24.000 They're the guys we keep behind the glass.

01:39:26.000 You don't even want to mess with them.

01:39:27.000 Don't talk to them.

01:39:29.000 We've got the geeks, the nerds, the 12-pound heads, the Ivy League guys.

01:39:33.000 All across the board.

01:39:36.000 That's why they break us up after every deployment.

01:39:39.000 You can't just get in with a click.

01:39:41.000 They make you work with everybody.

01:39:43.000 Really?

01:39:43.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:39:44.000 That's why they do it?

01:39:44.000 Yeah, that's why they do it.

01:39:45.000 So what happens after deployment?

01:39:47.000 You come back, you got a little bit of break, then you come back in, they're like, hey, this is the new crew you're with.

01:39:51.000 Really?

01:39:52.000 Yeah, you'd think it'd be more proficient to keep us together, but the reason they do that is so we can, it's the teams.

01:39:56.000 You have to learn how to work with everybody.

01:39:59.000 That's brilliant.

01:40:00.000 They'll have a chief that's hard on you, like, man, I don't get along with that dude, but then the LPL will be great.

01:40:04.000 And then all the E5 mafia and all them guys.

01:40:06.000 And that is by design.

01:40:08.000 It's so we'll always remember to love each other.

01:40:10.000 Because there's some guys that you're like, man, that guy's a frickin' this, that, and the other.

01:40:14.000 He doesn't do this.

01:40:14.000 Yeah, but he does this real well, and that's why he's here.

01:40:17.000 So why would you judge him on that?

01:40:18.000 It's not his business.

01:40:20.000 And then it's hard to pick that up as you're growing up in the teams.

01:40:25.000 I always...

01:40:26.000 I learned this watching the leadership.

01:40:28.000 I was like, I hear all the younger guys bitching about the headshed, the leaders, because they won't let them fight, or they this, that, and the other.

01:40:35.000 I'm like, man, it takes both sides to get us into this.

01:40:37.000 If you're the new guy in here...

01:40:40.000 It's kind of like a freshman congressman going into work.

01:40:44.000 They're like, hey, I'm going to change everything.

01:40:45.000 I'm going to come in here.

01:40:46.000 I'm going to put these rules down.

01:40:47.000 I'm going to do this.

01:40:48.000 And when you walk in there and everybody's been there a long time, they're like, you ain't doing nothing. 0.99

01:40:51.000 Shut your mouth. 0.98

01:40:52.000 Get a haircut and check the watch bill. 1.00

01:40:54.000 Right?

01:40:55.000 And then you've got to learn to deal with every one of them guys.

01:40:58.000 And that's what makes it the teams.

01:40:59.000 Like, yeah, I know no one likes that guy, but I do because he saved my life.

01:41:04.000 And if he was willing to do that, then I don't care about his style.

01:41:07.000 That's his style.

01:41:09.000 Learn to appreciate that.

01:41:12.000 Because if he's down here and somebody else can tolerate him, that means I can.

01:41:16.000 I just need to learn how.

01:41:18.000 I shouldn't expect somebody to learn how to deal with me.

01:41:21.000 I should try to learn how to deal with them.

01:41:24.000 And that's the humbleness.

01:41:26.000 I'm like, yeah, have I accomplished all this?

01:41:27.000 Am I this?

01:41:28.000 I am what I am.

01:41:29.000 I am.

01:41:30.000 Absolutely, 100%.

01:41:33.000 Should I pose that on everybody?

01:41:34.000 No, man.

01:41:35.000 I'm going to come in.

01:41:35.000 I'm going to learn what you love.

01:41:37.000 And I'm going to learn how to love that.

01:41:38.000 And then I'm going to learn how to operate with it, which makes us...

01:41:43.000 Unstoppable force, right?

01:41:44.000 Immovable object, unstoppable force.

01:41:46.000 You put them two things together, and they start coming at you, and you're like, hey man, he just loves me for me.

01:41:50.000 Yeah.

01:41:52.000 That's an unbreakable bond, man.

01:41:54.000 It's brilliant that they figured that out.

01:41:56.000 It is, right?

01:41:56.000 It really is.

01:41:57.000 I don't think they did it on purpose.

01:41:58.000 Really?

01:41:59.000 No, I don't.

01:42:00.000 Because we always kind of look into that, and like, hey, who made the SEAL teams up?

01:42:03.000 How'd the program start?

01:42:04.000 I think it started off of two different programs that kind of had a good base, and they put them together.

01:42:10.000 Well, you can, with that being, when you know that, like, you know the outlines, right?

01:42:14.000 But when you put them together, you can't even imagine what it creates.

01:42:18.000 It's a hybrid.

01:42:19.000 It's spliced.

01:42:20.000 So there'll be some things that you recognize, but then there'll be some things like, man, I don't even know what that is, right?

01:42:26.000 And once we figure that out, we start going through it, like, we're capable of some things you can't even imagine.

01:42:31.000 And everybody else will look at it because they can't understand it.

01:42:34.000 It's just because you didn't go through it.

01:42:36.000 And over time, it feeds itself, right?

01:42:40.000 And those that go through it always look back and be like, hey, I had to go through it, and so will you.

01:42:43.000 It's okay.

01:42:44.000 Just do it.

01:42:45.000 Just do it.

01:42:46.000 Was there anything in doing that movie where, even though you never watched the movie at all, you did read the script, right?

01:42:55.000 Yeah.

01:42:56.000 Was there anything where you had an issue with it or where it wasn't completely accurate or where they were trying to like...

01:43:04.000 Because you've got to take an enormous portion of your life and boil it down to 90 minutes or whatever it was.

01:43:10.000 Right, so five days into an hour and a half.

01:43:13.000 It's as long as it takes a guy to have to go to the bathroom.

01:43:16.000 That's how long a movie is supposed to be.

01:43:17.000 That's what I was told. 1.00

01:43:19.000 What the fuck is wrong with you if you have to go to the bathroom for an hour? 0.99

01:43:22.000 Right? 1.00

01:43:23.000 I was like, well, if you're at home drinking, you don't want to...

01:43:26.000 So a long movie takes about six months to get made.

01:43:30.000 I didn't know all this.

01:43:31.000 I love to watch movies.

01:43:32.000 I didn't know anything about how they were made.

01:43:34.000 And I had to go through the whole process with Pete.

01:43:37.000 I remember the day we were in his office.

01:43:40.000 The exact question you asked, I remember it.

01:43:43.000 I would just sit there.

01:43:46.000 He's so great.

01:43:51.000 Everything you hear about Hollywood and the actors and how they live in that flamboyant lifestyle, that exists.

01:43:56.000 And it's great to see, but then they also have to go through chaos to get everything done.

01:44:00.000 So there's those moments of the bliss, but in between that there's this hard stuff that they have to go through.

01:44:06.000 It was he and I and his son.

01:44:09.000 I was in the spare bedroom.

01:44:11.000 I went to the office, and he's writing the script up, and I just threw the book across the table.

01:44:16.000 I was like, there it is.

01:44:17.000 That's a debrief.

01:44:18.000 I didn't write it.

01:44:19.000 It wrote itself.

01:44:21.000 I was like, everything that's in there meant how it went down.

01:44:23.000 If there's an opinion in there, that's an opinionated thing, but it is how it went down.

01:44:28.000 And then, so he started writing.

01:44:30.000 Man, he would go out and have to deal with the SEALs, and go on deployment, come back, and then we would beat him to death. 0.91

01:44:38.000 I mean, beat him to death.

01:44:41.000 I don't know if anybody can appreciate what that man had to go through.

01:44:45.000 Hollywood actor.

01:44:46.000 He didn't even know what he was getting himself into.

01:44:48.000 He had no choice.

01:44:51.000 We would go out and have the best time, man, and we would still wreck him.

01:44:56.000 Every minute he thought he was doing something good, we'd hammer him.

01:44:58.000 And they blanketed the set.

01:45:00.000 Like the stunt coordinator, Kevin, he was great.

01:45:01.000 And then there were the seals that were on there.

01:45:06.000 So it got to the point to where...

01:45:08.000 But he just didn't...

01:45:10.000 It kind of...

01:45:12.000 It evolved into itself.

01:45:13.000 You didn't have to make something up.

01:45:15.000 There's so much stuff that we kept from the story that if I told you, you wouldn't believe me.

01:45:20.000 Now, when it came to the movie, we filmed it around the gunfight.

01:45:23.000 Like what?

01:45:25.000 We filmed the movie around the gunfight because that's when everyone was alive.

01:45:28.000 I was like, you shouldn't have known that I was going to be the guy to make it out.

01:45:31.000 When they were picking the actors, I was like, so if you get somebody, like an A-list actor, and then everybody, they'll know that he's the one that made it out.

01:45:38.000 I was like, when you're watching the movie, you shouldn't know that.

01:45:41.000 Of course, Hollywood kind of does their own thing.

01:45:46.000 But the craziest part about that whole operation was getting me out of there.

01:45:52.000 And that wasn't in the movie.

01:45:53.000 In the movie, they did a daylight extract.

01:45:56.000 They came in, landed, a couple of shots, and they got out of there.

01:45:58.000 In real life, it wasn't like that.

01:46:00.000 It was unbelievable.

01:46:03.000 I mean, it was a nightmare.

01:46:07.000 I mean, the world was blowing up.

01:46:09.000 We were in this, like a volcano, like sitting in the middle of this volcano.

01:46:13.000 And I remember looking down the mountain.

01:46:15.000 There was a river running down.

01:46:16.000 I mean, it looked like miles down.

01:46:20.000 And they had moved me.

01:46:21.000 They had to carry me.

01:46:22.000 I couldn't walk.

01:46:23.000 And we would stumble over.

01:46:25.000 The Green Braves Rangers, it was a hodgepodge.

01:46:28.000 Let me tell you something.

01:46:29.000 When them guys showed up to rescue me...

01:46:31.000 When they found me, I was laying in a riverbed, dried up, tucked under a rock.

01:46:36.000 The villagers had shoved me underneath this rock.

01:46:39.000 And there was this one guy I had never met before.

01:46:42.000 And he was sitting there listening to an AM-FM radio.

01:46:46.000 And he was scrolling through the channels.

01:46:50.000 We hand those out for morale.

01:46:52.000 The US military hands those out.

01:46:54.000 He had one of them.

01:46:54.000 I recognized it.

01:46:55.000 And he was listening to the different channels and I could recognize the different languages.

01:46:59.000 German, Japanese.

01:47:00.000 And he was like, hey, they're talking about you.

01:47:02.000 And I was like, okay.

01:47:03.000 I didn't know who he was.

01:47:05.000 He was kind of messing with me a little bit.

01:47:09.000 Because I couldn't move and he had this stinging...

01:47:11.000 Anyway, it's not important.

01:47:13.000 And then the Gulab and a couple of the villagers came and picked me up.

01:47:19.000 They had to carry me everywhere.

01:47:20.000 Why did they save you?

01:47:21.000 Because in the movie it's confusing.

01:47:24.000 It is.

01:47:24.000 Because in the movie it's like these guys save you and you don't know why they're saving you.

01:47:29.000 When he found me...

01:47:30.000 They have to fight the Taliban.

01:47:32.000 Can you believe that? 0.93

01:47:33.000 Crazy.

01:47:34.000 So I had been crawling for a day and some change.

01:47:37.000 I was like crawling through the mountains.

01:47:39.000 And I had somehow, someway got to the top of this ridge line.

01:47:42.000 I was so thirsty.

01:47:44.000 I mean, I... I hadn't thought about this.

01:47:54.000 There's an insanity that goes with thirst.

01:47:56.000 I was so thirsty that I was willing to kill anything to get water.

01:48:00.000 I mean, you can't even believe it.

01:48:02.000 I was drinking my own urine, my own blood.

01:48:05.000 Nothing would quench the thirst.

01:48:06.000 God, I hadn't thought about this in a while.

01:48:07.000 And I got to the top of this ridge line, and there was a waterfall.

01:48:12.000 And I was trying to slide down into it.

01:48:14.000 I was like, I'm just going to go down in here, and I'm going to hit that water, and it's going to be something good to drink.

01:48:17.000 So I tried to slide down.

01:48:18.000 I just took off.

01:48:20.000 I got uncontrollably.

01:48:21.000 I started sliding.

01:48:22.000 I rotated upside down.

01:48:24.000 And I remember looking over, and my rifle was sliding beside me.

01:48:28.000 I couldn't throw that thing away.

01:48:30.000 It's like every time I'd lose it, one of my boys was like, hey, you're going to need this.

01:48:34.000 And I flipped upside down, over backwards, into the river.

01:48:37.000 And I remember my knees hit me in the face, and it knocked me out again.

01:48:41.000 And I was kind of...

01:48:41.000 I mean, I was a blobbering mess.

01:48:44.000 Everything was broken.

01:48:46.000 And I rolled over, and I remember kind of sitting on all fours.

01:48:50.000 I picked my head up, and I looked up, and there was that water fountain there.

01:48:52.000 And I remember sliding down.

01:48:53.000 This is the craziest thing.

01:48:54.000 God, I hadn't thought about this.

01:48:55.000 And I remember seeing this little pool of water, and I was like, oh, that'd be a great place to get something to drink.

01:49:01.000 So I climbed.

01:49:02.000 I crawled back up into this thing, and I leaned into that waterfall, and I remember washing my face and hands.

01:49:08.000 My gloves were...

01:49:09.000 I had gloves on the mechanic gloves, and all the fingers were ripped out, and the palms were ripped out.

01:49:13.000 So I was just kind of...

01:49:15.000 And it was the best water I ever had.

01:49:18.000 I'll never forget it.

01:49:20.000 It was cold.

01:49:22.000 And I was hurting real bad.

01:49:24.000 And I remember hearing somebody screaming at me.

01:49:26.000 And I kind of turned around and over my shoulder there was a guy standing there looking at me, pointing at me.

01:49:30.000 He was like, Taliban! 1.00

01:49:31.000 Taliban! 0.86

01:49:33.000 So I swung around with my rifle and then...

01:49:38.000 All of a sudden, behind me again, I could hear someone screaming at me.

01:49:42.000 And I look up and there's this guy standing on the hill that I'd just fallen off of.

01:49:47.000 But he didn't have a weapon.

01:49:48.000 He was just pointing at me.

01:49:50.000 And then there were some guys on the ridgeline moving around.

01:49:52.000 They had weapons.

01:49:53.000 I saw them.

01:49:55.000 So I turned back around, and I kind of started to crawl.

01:49:58.000 I was like, man, I was in a channelized area.

01:50:00.000 It was kind of bad.

01:50:01.000 And I remember I was leaning against this rock. 0.97

01:50:03.000 I was sitting on my butt.

01:50:05.000 I had my rifle in my hand. 0.83

01:50:06.000 I was breathing.

01:50:07.000 I couldn't breathe.

01:50:08.000 I'd bitten my tongue in half, and I was like, that's a crazy story.

01:50:12.000 But the guy screamed at me again.

01:50:15.000 I turned around to shoot, and he saw me, and he ducked behind this rock.

01:50:19.000 And then, I mean, right over my left shoulder, probably 30 yards, not even that.

01:50:26.000 I hear, American, American.

01:50:28.000 And I kind of turned around and it was Gulab, one of the main villagers who rescued me.

01:50:33.000 And I turned around and I had my gun at my hip.

01:50:35.000 My safety was off.

01:50:37.000 My tension was out of my trigger.

01:50:38.000 And he was kind of looking.

01:50:39.000 I mean, we were staring at each other straight in the eyes.

01:50:41.000 And I mean, I was like, like death.

01:50:44.000 You know how you can smell death when it's there?

01:50:46.000 I was like, man, okay, let's go. 0.97

01:50:48.000 And I don't know why I didn't kill him. 0.94

01:50:54.000 I don't know why. 0.96

01:50:55.000 I didn't have to even go to my shoulder to kill him.

01:50:58.000 I mean, I had the tension out of my trigger.

01:51:00.000 I was just sitting there looking at him.

01:51:01.000 He was looking at me, and he wouldn't say it.

01:51:03.000 He said American a couple times, and then he said it again.

01:51:06.000 I was like, Taliban?

01:51:07.000 And he was like, American?

01:51:09.000 And then he kind of put his hands up. 0.99

01:51:10.000 And I came off my trigger, kind of wanting to kill him. 0.97

01:51:17.000 And he started walking down on me. 0.97

01:51:19.000 He's like, okay, okay, okay, okay.

01:51:21.000 Shampoo, hydrate.

01:51:22.000 Shampoo, hydrate.

01:51:22.000 That's what he was telling me.

01:51:23.000 Shampoo, hydrate.

01:51:24.000 That's what he said.

01:51:25.000 Two English words he knew.

01:51:26.000 I was like, shampoo, hydrate.

01:51:27.000 You know how good that sounded?

01:51:29.000 I was like, bro, I would love some water and if you want to wash my hair.

01:51:33.000 It's so funny.

01:51:34.000 So if you ever get into a bad situation and you're about to lose your mind, just say shampoo and hydrate and you'll be fine, dude.

01:51:39.000 I'm like, can you believe that?

01:51:41.000 That's what he said to me.

01:51:42.000 That's crazy.

01:51:44.000 And I dropped my muzzle down, and he walked up on me, and I pulled a grenade out.

01:51:50.000 I pulled a pin.

01:51:51.000 Don't ever do that. 0.99

01:51:52.000 And I was like, if you try something, I'll just kill us all. 0.98

01:51:54.000 I don't care. 0.55

01:51:56.000 But then he kind of rolled me over, and he's like, it's okay.

01:51:58.000 I got you.

01:51:59.000 You know how when you can tell, like, hey, man, I got you.

01:52:02.000 I freaking got you.

01:52:04.000 You can feel that. 0.97

01:52:05.000 Like, you can feel if someone's like, hey, man, I got you, and then I'm going to jack you up later.

01:52:09.000 And this guy was like, man, I got you, man.

01:52:11.000 And I repinned that grenade.

01:52:12.000 I'll never forget.

01:52:13.000 I was like, I heard that you're not supposed to do it.

01:52:15.000 I mean, there's so much crazy stuff.

01:52:17.000 Anyways, all these kids came running out from everywhere and they picked me up.

01:52:21.000 I couldn't walk.

01:52:22.000 And they carried me down, started carrying me down the ridgeline into the valley.

01:52:25.000 And there was a village down there.

01:52:28.000 And then the kids and everybody, they were laughing and whatnot, and they pulled me into this room, and they doctored me up, stopped my bleeding, patched me up, gave me all the water I could drink, and then the Taliban came in after that and snatched me up.

01:52:39.000 So how much of what was in the script, I know you didn't see the movie, but how much of what was in the script was accurate?

01:52:49.000 Every bit of it.

01:52:50.000 Everybody died.

01:52:52.000 Like in the movie, when you see those guys falling down a mountain, it looks cool.

01:52:55.000 Imagine going past cool to when it looks like chaos.

01:52:58.000 Imagine playing your favorite sport on the side of a mountain with people shooting at you.

01:53:01.000 It didn't look cool.

01:53:02.000 It looked horrific.

01:53:04.000 Sexy.

01:53:05.000 I mean, it was terrible.

01:53:07.000 I mean, it was getting ripped apart.

01:53:09.000 And we would come in, and the guys would just be...

01:53:11.000 Like, man, we shot in the face, and it was kind of...

01:53:15.000 His eyes were gone.

01:53:19.000 Like, I'm a medic.

01:53:25.000 Some of them are bad.

01:53:27.000 Something was bad.

01:53:29.000 But then, you know, I was like, I didn't know what to do.

01:53:33.000 I just started...

01:53:33.000 I never knew what to do.

01:53:36.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:53:37.000 I was like, man, I was well-trained. 1.00

01:53:38.000 I was like, I got my ass in a pickle. 0.99

01:53:39.000 I couldn't get out. 0.99

01:53:40.000 I didn't know what to do.

01:53:41.000 And I would just sit there.

01:53:42.000 And there would be times when I would think about my brother and all my buddies. 1.00

01:53:46.000 I was like, hey, man, you guys are stupid. 1.00

01:53:48.000 I'm still here. 1.00

01:53:48.000 Come get me. 1.00

01:53:49.000 And then I could see aircraft flying overhead.

01:53:51.000 And I was like, I'm right here.

01:53:52.000 And they would just keep flying.

01:53:54.000 And then someone would try to kill me.

01:53:56.000 Like a wall would blow up or a bullet would zip through the wall.

01:53:59.000 And then they'd have to move me.

01:54:01.000 Man, it was a hell of a week.

01:54:03.000 It was rough.

01:54:06.000 They left me in this hole for a while.

01:54:08.000 They buried me.

01:54:10.000 And I was like, man, I'm a foreign man in a foreign land.

01:54:15.000 Everybody's dead.

01:54:16.000 I mean, who knows where I'm at?

01:54:18.000 I was in hell.

01:54:19.000 I was literally in hell.

01:54:21.000 And if it wasn't for them, I mean, and the way that whole thing worked out, I... It's funny what I talk about.

01:54:31.000 It's hard to wrap your head around it, right?

01:54:34.000 Like, man, why am I even sitting here?

01:54:36.000 Because y'all came and got me.

01:54:37.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:54:38.000 I couldn't believe it when y'all showed up. 0.92

01:54:40.000 I signed up to be an expendable asset, to die if necessary. 0.51

01:54:44.000 That was the sexiest thing I ever heard of.

01:54:45.000 I was nobody.

01:54:47.000 You know, I have a special skill.

01:54:49.000 I have an expendable asset, and you work until you become dependable, and they'll kind of keep you around.

01:54:54.000 So when y'all showed up, I couldn't believe it.

01:54:57.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:55:00.000 I remember talking to them guys like, man, I can't believe y'all made it out here.

01:55:03.000 We were out in the middle of nowhere.

01:55:05.000 And then the first time I ever got, like, scared was when they were with me and trying to get me out of there.

01:55:12.000 I was like, hey, man, I hope y'all can get me out of here.

01:55:13.000 Ha ha ha!

01:55:14.000 Is that selfish?

01:55:15.000 I was like, man, that's not selfish, is it?

01:55:18.000 I was like, I sure would like to live, man.

01:55:20.000 To get me out of there, it's a whole different movie altogether.

01:55:24.000 Those Green Berets and those Rangers and PJs that were on that plane, on the heel of the pilots.

01:55:31.000 Like Spanky, he was one of the pilots in Skinny.

01:55:34.000 When they came in, they came in to crash.

01:55:36.000 They don't ever talk about that.

01:55:37.000 Like, he had to crash that bird on the side of a mountain to get in there.

01:55:40.000 And he did it. 0.99

01:55:41.000 He didn't give a shit. 1.00

01:55:42.000 He's like, watch this. 0.99

01:55:43.000 Boom.

01:55:44.000 And just brought it in.

01:55:45.000 I mean, there was a gunfight going on from the top and the bottom.

01:55:48.000 Every aircraft we had in country was wagging, like, spinning overhead.

01:55:53.000 The specters, that's the hand of God.

01:55:56.000 Or the finger of God.

01:55:57.000 I mean, the weapon rehab, man, they can look down on you and just erase you.

01:56:01.000 And they got me out of there.

01:56:03.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:56:05.000 I hadn't thought about that in a while.

01:56:07.000 What is it like to talk about this now?

01:56:10.000 All these years later.

01:56:13.000 Does it...

01:56:14.000 Is it...

01:56:15.000 Are you trying to pull these memories back?

01:56:18.000 Do you understand these memories clearly?

01:56:20.000 Oh yeah, I got them.

01:56:21.000 Got them locked in?

01:56:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:23.000 That's on purpose.

01:56:25.000 So I'll never forget what we had to go through.

01:56:31.000 So the only...

01:56:34.000 The greatest gift I ever got down there was my friends.

01:56:36.000 I love them.

01:56:37.000 I love my friends like you can't believe.

01:56:41.000 So they, the guys I grew up with, when I joined the military, they kind of separated us, right?

01:56:46.000 And then I found their doppelgangers, right?

01:56:48.000 And they raised us up, and we signed up for hell.

01:56:51.000 They put us through hell.

01:56:52.000 All of us.

01:56:54.000 And they put us through things, and like, hey man, you know, you go through this, this, that, and the other, and then they sent me overseas, and they killed every one of them in front of me.

01:57:02.000 I didn't like that.

01:57:05.000 I've been through a lot.

01:57:06.000 I can deal with a lot.

01:57:07.000 I mean, there's some things that don't even affect me that will cripple most people.

01:57:10.000 Like what?

01:57:13.000 Everything else life throws at you.

01:57:14.000 Because of what you've been through?

01:57:16.000 Well, no.

01:57:18.000 My blessing was that I don't ever hold a grudge.

01:57:21.000 I don't.

01:57:22.000 Like, if we go through something, we get over it, we're good, let's just get through it, right?

01:57:26.000 But then, if you kill my friends, if you hurt my friends, I have a problem with that.

01:57:30.000 Like, I don't like that at all. 0.92

01:57:33.000 And they killed him in front of me.

01:57:35.000 And then I was like, I didn't know what to do.

01:57:40.000 I didn't know what to do.

01:57:42.000 Especially coming back to the team, you know, with all my buddies.

01:57:45.000 Like, man, what happened?

01:57:46.000 19 dudes died.

01:57:48.000 And I didn't make it out of there.

01:57:49.000 Y'all had to come get me. 0.99

01:57:50.000 I mean, they whipped our ass bad. 0.99

01:57:53.000 So I always try to think about it like, man, all right, you know, there's got to be one guy down there that gets his ass kicked so everybody can look at, like, hey, you can get an ass whooping and come back. 1.00

01:58:02.000 You just can. 0.98

01:58:04.000 So, I had to continually tell myself that, and everybody I would run into, when they put me on the lecture circuit, and I got to run into all of our people and everything, they were like, hey, good job, man.

01:58:14.000 Proud of you.

01:58:16.000 I'm like, thanks.

01:58:17.000 And then to honor all my buddies, because if I keep telling their story and talking about their names, you'll never forget them.

01:58:24.000 That's kind of what I had to...

01:58:26.000 I look at it like if anybody had to make it through there to tell the story, it had to be you.

01:58:30.000 You got texting, you got the gift of gab, you love bragging about your friends.

01:58:35.000 When we were sitting around the tents and everybody was talking about getting out, they're like, I'm going to start this t-shirt company.

01:58:40.000 I'm going to be a podcaster.

01:58:41.000 I'm going to be a CEO and make a billion dollars.

01:58:43.000 And we have those.

01:58:45.000 All I ever wanted to do was buy a bunch of land and have my friends live on it so we could just hang out.

01:58:51.000 And that was my blessing.

01:58:53.000 So...

01:58:55.000 Going through that, and then going back and watching other guys die.

01:58:58.000 Then after I got out, extortion went down.

01:59:00.000 They killed 31 of my teammates' best friends.

01:59:02.000 Extortion?

01:59:03.000 Yeah, there was an extortion operation when 31 SEALs died.

01:59:09.000 It was after Red Wing.

01:59:11.000 There was a ranger battalion that got into a gunfight, a TIC, troops in contact.

01:59:16.000 And it was Dev Group guys, Gold Squadron.

01:59:19.000 And they went in on a 47 to help out.

01:59:22.000 And they got blown out of the sky and killed 31 guys right then.

01:59:25.000 I remember I was in D.C. when that phone call came over.

01:59:27.000 I was in a hotel, fixing to give a speech the next day.

01:59:30.000 And my buddy called.

01:59:31.000 He's like, hey, we lost some boys.

01:59:33.000 I was like, okay.

01:59:34.000 How many?

01:59:35.000 And the first time he called me, he was like, seven.

01:59:37.000 And then he was like, 12, 15, 16, 19, 20, 22. He would keep calling me back.

01:59:44.000 Up until the point where there was like 31 guys.

01:59:46.000 31 dudes.

01:59:47.000 That's a third of the platoon.

01:59:49.000 A dev group guys.

01:59:50.000 The most highly trained individuals we have on the planet.

01:59:54.000 And I died in a In a heartbeat.

01:59:59.000 My brother's roommate was on that bird.

02:00:01.000 All them guys, I mean, it's a small community.

02:00:03.000 That guy you have out here watching out for you, I mean, we're connected.

02:00:07.000 So I... It's like our whole life, man, it's always been that.

02:00:12.000 But you sign up for it.

02:00:13.000 Chris Kyle, when he got killed.

02:00:15.000 I mean, it's kind of like all these guys that we grew up with, the young boys, they're just dead.

02:00:19.000 They died.

02:00:20.000 And you learn how to deal with that.

02:00:22.000 Until you get to the point where we're at right now, so when the younger generation's going through it, it's like, hey, it's part of it.

02:00:27.000 Like I told you, you came down here to learn how to live while you're dying.

02:00:30.000 Anybody who checks out early is because they got the job done.

02:00:33.000 We haven't.

02:00:35.000 I mean, don't look at it any other way.

02:00:38.000 Was there ever a part of you that tried to understand what those guys who were in Afghanistan were going through, who were attacking you?

02:00:47.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 Like imagine them not understanding your language or understanding who you are or why you were there, but recognizing that in their eyes this enemy was on their mountain.

02:01:02.000 Sure.

02:01:04.000 It's the same thing as them coming over here.

02:01:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:01:07.000 I mean, the village has saved me.

02:01:08.000 I love them.

02:01:09.000 We go fishing and we hang out.

02:01:11.000 We're exactly the same.

02:01:12.000 We live in two different areas.

02:01:13.000 They take things a certain way.

02:01:15.000 We take things a certain way.

02:01:16.000 Are you still in contact with those guys?

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 They live here.

02:01:19.000 They live here now?

02:01:20.000 Do they really?

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 Yeah, they're here.

02:01:22.000 Absolutely.

02:01:23.000 100%.

02:01:24.000 Wow.

02:01:25.000 How'd they get over here?

02:01:26.000 How do you think?

02:01:27.000 You got them over here.

02:01:29.000 Man, you do me a favor.

02:01:31.000 I'll do you a solid...

02:01:33.000 Well, you don't have to say where exactly, but they're over here.

02:01:36.000 Yeah, kids going to college.

02:01:37.000 I got to deal with them all the time.

02:01:40.000 That's amazing.

02:01:41.000 I still talk to him.

02:01:42.000 He still yells at me.

02:01:45.000 Because he saved me, protected me.

02:01:47.000 So when he talks to me, he yells at me, and I'm like, I love you too, man.

02:01:50.000 He speaks English?

02:01:51.000 No.

02:01:52.000 No?

02:01:52.000 But his kids do.

02:01:54.000 Oh, wow.

02:01:55.000 I speak enough of his language to understand when we talk.

02:02:00.000 That's amazing.

02:02:01.000 When he yells at me, I'm like, I know it.

02:02:02.000 Because they're funny.

02:02:04.000 What's his name?

02:02:06.000 Muhammad Gulab.

02:02:07.000 Muhammad.

02:02:07.000 Yeah.

02:02:08.000 Muhammad Gulab.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, Muhammad.

02:02:10.000 And you have Muslim friends?

02:02:14.000 Yes.

02:02:15.000 Okay, good.

02:02:15.000 So you know when they get upset about, they're like, this is an atrocity.

02:02:20.000 God will smite you down.

02:02:22.000 And then I'm like, I know. 0.78

02:02:23.000 And then they'll look at you like, I love you.

02:02:24.000 I don't want to talk about this anymore.

02:02:25.000 Right.

02:02:27.000 They're so great.

02:02:28.000 They're so great.

02:02:29.000 I mean, if you kind of understand, they're like the serious hand.

02:02:34.000 There's certain things they don't mess around with and there's certain things that they'll get upset about but then they'll get over.

02:02:39.000 And with me, I was kind of helpless.

02:02:40.000 I was just laying there when he found me.

02:02:42.000 I was in a river.

02:02:44.000 Lying.

02:02:45.000 And he's like, hey, what's up? 0.78

02:02:46.000 There's a white boy down here.

02:02:47.000 Let's get him out of here.

02:02:47.000 And then, like, now he can't get rid of me.

02:02:50.000 Now he has to live here with me and deal with all that.

02:02:53.000 And it's so funny because he has 11 kids.

02:02:56.000 They're just multiplying.

02:02:58.000 They do that.

02:02:59.000 And it's a thing.

02:03:02.000 And I deal with him just like I deal with the other family member.

02:03:05.000 I'll never forget him.

02:03:08.000 And people will tell me, like, well, he yells at him.

02:03:10.000 I'm like, man, you don't know what we've been through.

02:03:14.000 When that dude found me...

02:03:16.000 And then...

02:03:20.000 He'd been shot...

02:03:22.000 I mean, you can't believe what that dude went through to get me back here.

02:03:25.000 What he put up with up to this point.

02:03:28.000 That's why he's here.

02:03:29.000 Because how many times they tried to kill him.

02:03:32.000 So you extracted him?

02:03:34.000 Not me personally, but I mean...

02:03:35.000 You had them?

02:03:36.000 Yeah, well...

02:03:37.000 I mean, one thing feeds the other, right?

02:03:39.000 I'll never take credit for anything that everyone else had to put a hand into, but he's here now.

02:03:45.000 Dealing with everything else that every other Texan has to deal with.

02:03:49.000 Including me.

02:03:51.000 I tell you what would be a good one.

02:03:52.000 Get me and him in here together.

02:03:53.000 I would love that.

02:03:54.000 Let's do it.

02:03:55.000 You know how funny that'd be?

02:03:56.000 He yells at me all the time.

02:03:57.000 I'm 100% in.

02:03:58.000 Let's go.

02:04:00.000 I think I'm a disappointment in his eyes.

02:04:04.000 How great is that, dude? 0.99

02:04:07.000 He's like, man, I saved your ass for... 0.98

02:04:08.000 I mean, you better get to... 0.99

02:04:09.000 You're not even president yet!

02:04:12.000 He's like...

02:04:12.000 I mean, he'll get so upset about some stuff, and he's like, this is...

02:04:15.000 I don't even...

02:04:16.000 God...

02:04:16.000 He's like, what's for dinner?

02:04:18.000 Let's get that...

02:04:19.000 You know, they'll just get over it so quick.

02:04:20.000 They're great.

02:04:21.000 I mean, like, once you learn how they yell at you, I mean, a lot of people are scared to death of that whole thing, but if you have to...

02:04:30.000 If you have to be saved by it, I was helpless.

02:04:33.000 I was frickin' helpless.

02:04:35.000 And why did he save you?

02:04:39.000 I was like, God, Spirit, man, he's just a good man.

02:04:41.000 He's a frickin' good man.

02:04:42.000 And then I asked him for help.

02:04:43.000 So there's a code.

02:04:45.000 There's a Pashtawale code.

02:04:47.000 And I was laying there and I looked up at him and I was bleeding.

02:04:52.000 I didn't realize how bad I looked until I got home when they dropped the ramp on the plane and they were carrying me off there and there was a girl sitting there.

02:04:59.000 I'll never forget her covering her face, crying.

02:05:02.000 I was like, I must have looked a lot worse than I thought.

02:05:06.000 But no matter what I looked like, he got me back here.

02:05:10.000 I couldn't believe it.

02:05:12.000 Man, we went through some crazy times out there.

02:05:17.000 Crazy times.

02:05:20.000 I couldn't walk anywhere.

02:05:21.000 I was a big man. 0.99

02:05:21.000 They were hauling my ass everywhere around that mountain. 0.99

02:05:23.000 We laid up in the middle of the night. 1.00

02:05:25.000 People trying to kill us.

02:05:26.000 Cars blowing up.

02:05:26.000 It was the craziest time.

02:05:28.000 And they were just kind of like, you know, it's a Wednesday.

02:05:33.000 That's what I thought.

02:05:34.000 I mean, I found...

02:05:35.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:05:39.000 Somebody like that?

02:05:40.000 He didn't owe me nothing.

02:05:42.000 Matter of fact, I probably caused him more grief than I did anything.

02:05:46.000 And no matter how much I try to repay him, it's always a...

02:05:50.000 That's weird.

02:05:53.000 What a situation, right?

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 I mean, I can only imagine what your perspective is.

02:06:00.000 Looking back on it, it's just this thing that became...

02:06:06.000 I got another one over here.

02:06:09.000 Yeah.

02:06:31.000 Something like your situation where you can't see a video, you have to have a movie where it's a recreation of it.

02:06:37.000 It's hard for people to understand.

02:06:39.000 That's one of the beautiful things what Peter did in that film is that he made it...

02:06:44.000 There's no glamorization of it.

02:06:49.000 It was horrific and as realistic as I could understand as a person who's never experienced war.

02:07:02.000 Imagine having a neighbor you don't like or you understand, and then you get into the worst situation and he steps up to help you.

02:07:09.000 Then you're like, alright.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, I don't get along with him, man.

02:07:13.000 I don't even like that food.

02:07:16.000 I mean, it tears me up.

02:07:18.000 You know what?

02:07:18.000 I'm going to sit here and deal with it just because I freaking love you.

02:07:21.000 I mean, because of that.

02:07:23.000 If he's willing to put out like that, I mean, what...

02:07:26.000 That's how friendships are formed.

02:07:27.000 The guys I grew up with, man, we fought together.

02:07:29.000 Families, you can be born with them and you can shed blood with them. 0.98

02:07:32.000 And like them guys are just willing to stick it out.

02:07:34.000 I mean, that's a thing.

02:07:36.000 No.

02:07:37.000 And I was, I mean, this guy didn't owe me nothing.

02:07:39.000 In the hand of God, right?

02:07:40.000 He came showing up.

02:07:41.000 I mean, I was in the middle of nowhere.

02:07:43.000 You can't even believe it, bro.

02:07:45.000 I can't even believe we're talking about this.

02:07:49.000 I should have been dead a long time ago, man.

02:07:52.000 I'll never forget looking at him.

02:07:53.000 I'll never forget his face.

02:07:55.000 Did you ever feel like there was a reason why he found you?

02:07:58.000 Sure, of course.

02:07:59.000 Yeah?

02:08:00.000 Yeah, always.

02:08:02.000 Like you're meant to tell this story?

02:08:03.000 Well, I mean, we're all meant to go through certain things.

02:08:07.000 And once you kind of...

02:08:09.000 I always looked at it like...

02:08:10.000 I always told, you know, if you don't think God's a wild man, he wouldn't be good at Christianity.

02:08:14.000 So, if you want to walk down a rabbit hole, how far you want to go down?

02:08:17.000 Because there's the kids down here that don't want to do nothing.

02:08:19.000 But if you want to go play, let's go do it.

02:08:21.000 And then you get down there where you're in the middle of a hole in the back of nowhere, and all of a sudden that shows up?

02:08:26.000 I mean, I was like, hey.

02:08:28.000 Bra's laying in this tree.

02:08:30.000 I'm talking about this. 1.00

02:08:32.000 My wife gonna walk in here and friggin', she's like, shut up. 1.00

02:08:37.000 I crawled. 0.99

02:08:39.000 I remember at the end of the day, I woke up.

02:08:41.000 I was upside down over this rock.

02:08:42.000 It was hot.

02:08:44.000 So hot.

02:08:45.000 I remember my mouth was full of blood.

02:08:46.000 I couldn't drink enough to quench the blood and mud out of my mouth.

02:08:54.000 And I flipped over and I wanted to crawl.

02:08:56.000 The river was like right there.

02:08:58.000 And I wanted to crawl to it, but then all my buddy's blood was running through it.

02:09:01.000 And I was like, no, I'm gonna go this way.

02:09:03.000 And I crawled all night.

02:09:04.000 And then I remember the moon, the storm came in, but then it cleared up.

02:09:08.000 And I was laying in this tree.

02:09:09.000 It was on the side of a mountain.

02:09:10.000 There's roots laying everywhere.

02:09:12.000 It was huge.

02:09:13.000 It was a huge tree.

02:09:14.000 And I'd crawled in there to hide.

02:09:17.000 I was like, they won't see me in here.

02:09:19.000 Remember that scene from Predator when Arnold crawls into the deal and he's kind of sitting like that?

02:09:22.000 That's kind of how I was.

02:09:24.000 And I was looking up and I was like, I've had enough. 1.00

02:09:27.000 I was like, hey boss, man, Ivy, you hit my, you whipped my ass. 0.99

02:09:31.000 Like, I can't believe. 1.00

02:09:32.000 I was like, I've had enough, man.

02:09:34.000 You killed everything around me.

02:09:36.000 I'm humbled.

02:09:37.000 I was like, just get me out of here and I'll make sure that I take care of it.

02:09:43.000 You know what's crazy, Marcus?

02:09:45.000 I had a dream last night, and I'm remembering it now, where I had mud in my mouth, I had dirt in my mouth, and I couldn't rinse it out.

02:09:52.000 I've never had a dream like that before, but it's a dream because I knew I was going to be talking to you.

02:09:57.000 Yeah, that's why I'm here.

02:09:58.000 So, that's what it's like, right?

02:10:00.000 When your mouth's so dry, water won't quench it?

02:10:03.000 It's like when that bud, and I'm in the heat.

02:10:05.000 I remember, so in war movies, if you could put smell through the theater...

02:10:11.000 It would be real.

02:10:12.000 Because that's what an impulse is.

02:10:15.000 And I remember that.

02:10:16.000 When men get to the point where we fight so hard where we want to kill each other, like tear each other apart, there's something that happens.

02:10:28.000 It's like you can't turn it off.

02:10:31.000 It's like a ravenous... 1.00

02:10:35.000 I mean, like, I want to kill you. 0.99

02:10:36.000 You know, that kind of thing? 1.00

02:10:37.000 Like, I want to kill you. 1.00

02:10:39.000 Not only, I want to tear you apart. 1.00

02:10:41.000 And we fight like that because you see your buddy fall and you're like, ah, come on. 0.68

02:10:46.000 It's so hard to turn off.

02:10:47.000 And then I remember thinking that that was my appetite.

02:10:50.000 That I'd been there.

02:10:52.000 That I'd fought so hard that I couldn't swallow.

02:10:57.000 Like, I wasn't allowed to talk.

02:10:59.000 I remember that, thinking that.

02:11:01.000 So yeah, that mud and that blood, when you're sitting there and you're thinking about it, you're like, man, all I have to do is sit and watch.

02:11:07.000 Like, I need to...

02:11:08.000 But the crazy thing for me, I've never had a dream like that before. 0.99

02:11:11.000 I bring weird shit in, man. 0.96

02:11:13.000 I think there's some sort of synchronicity going on, man. 0.99

02:11:17.000 Because I got up in the middle of the night to take a leak. 0.98

02:11:20.000 It was like 3 o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, what the fuck kind of dream is that? 0.98

02:11:23.000 I had a dream where there was dirt in my mouth, and I couldn't. 0.98

02:11:27.000 I was trying to spit it out, and I was trying to drink, and I was dying of thirst, but I had to get the dirt out of my mouth first.

02:11:32.000 And I've never had a dream like that before, Marcus.

02:11:35.000 And having this dream before talking to you...

02:11:38.000 It's freaking me out, man.

02:11:39.000 So a storm hit last night.

02:11:41.000 I woke up at 3 o'clock.

02:11:42.000 I kind of do that.

02:11:43.000 I think that's like a transition sometimes.

02:11:45.000 At the middle of the night, there's that witching area, right?

02:11:48.000 Yeah.

02:11:49.000 The thunder and the lightning.

02:11:51.000 Yeah.

02:11:51.000 But it's almost like a taste that you push so hard that you're like, hey, you shouldn't be killing them like that.

02:12:01.000 You guys are brothers.

02:12:03.000 And when you fight your brother so hard, you're like, man, I'm...

02:12:08.000 Because you're right.

02:12:09.000 I mean, hey, shouldn't we like...

02:12:10.000 I mean, we could probably get along famously.

02:12:12.000 We do.

02:12:14.000 But...

02:12:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:12:17.000 You can't believe what comes in with me, man.

02:12:19.000 I didn't mean to put a hex on you.

02:12:21.000 No, I think there's some way...

02:12:24.000 Did Elon say he was an alien, right?

02:12:25.000 You can't believe what I am. 1.00

02:12:28.000 You're a predator. 0.98

02:12:29.000 There's a connection that we must have made.

02:12:32.000 It doesn't make any sense, man, because there was no reason for me to have this dream.

02:12:37.000 But I had this dream where I couldn't get the dirt out of my mouth to get the water in, but I needed to get the water in.

02:12:44.000 That's crazy.

02:12:45.000 It's crazy that I'm remembering this now.

02:12:47.000 I remember looking at Mikey.

02:12:49.000 I don't know if I've...

02:12:50.000 I'm sure I've told this story before, but we kind of sat down halfway through, shot up.

02:12:55.000 We're all busted up.

02:12:55.000 I mean, look over him.

02:12:56.000 He had this mud in his mouth.

02:12:59.000 Like, in his teeth and everything.

02:13:01.000 I was like, hey, bro.

02:13:02.000 I was like, you got something in your teeth?

02:13:04.000 I'll never forget that.

02:13:05.000 I was looking at it in the middle of all this, and mine was the same way.

02:13:09.000 I was bleeding through.

02:13:10.000 I couldn't even speak.

02:13:12.000 It was just kind of one of them deals.

02:13:14.000 And Danny sat down.

02:13:15.000 He's like, man, I've been shot again.

02:13:19.000 That's not funny.

02:13:20.000 I'm sorry.

02:13:21.000 But it's funny to you right now.

02:13:22.000 I understand.

02:13:23.000 I understand. 1.00

02:13:24.000 Bro, but his mom's going to haze my ass. 1.00

02:13:25.000 That's not funny. 1.00

02:13:26.000 But he sat down.

02:13:26.000 He's like, bro, I've been shot again.

02:13:27.000 I was like, you little bastard. 1.00

02:13:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:31.000 He's like, well, Mikey goes, we've all been shot.

02:13:33.000 Just keep going.

02:13:34.000 I was like, yeah, but Mikey, you got some...

02:13:36.000 I'll never forget that.

02:13:38.000 And it just kept...

02:13:38.000 That was the hardest part.

02:13:42.000 That was the hardest part, man, was that...

02:13:44.000 Like my nose had been kicked through my face.

02:13:48.000 I couldn't breathe through my...

02:13:49.000 And every time I'd take a breath, I'd swallow my tongue.

02:13:54.000 I was like...

02:13:55.000 It was the hardest thing.

02:13:57.000 That's kind of what shut it down.

02:13:58.000 Like, we fought so hard until they shut the engine down.

02:14:01.000 I mean, I can't breathe no more.

02:14:02.000 And then we got blown up.

02:14:05.000 And that's kind of the end of it.

02:14:07.000 But I was like, man.

02:14:09.000 Yeah, that happened.

02:14:11.000 It's crazy that I had that dream.

02:14:13.000 Now that I'm thinking about it.

02:14:15.000 I think people's thoughts and ideas and consciousness, sometimes when someone has had an experience that's so intense as yours, that it reaches out and it grabs a hold of other people's consciousness.

02:14:33.000 It touches it.

02:14:36.000 I know this sounds crazy, but I think it touched me in the middle of the night because I knew I was going to talk to you today, and it hit me.

02:14:43.000 You don't think that's a real thing?

02:14:44.000 I think it's a real thing.

02:14:44.000 Okay, good.

02:14:45.000 I think it's a real thing.

02:14:46.000 I hope so, man, because it is.

02:14:48.000 I hope you know that.

02:14:49.000 I woke up confused.

02:14:50.000 I woke up with dirt in my mouth.

02:14:52.000 I was thinking, why do I have this feeling?

02:14:55.000 I woke up to take a leak, and I'm like, this is an intense experience of this dream where I had dirt in my mouth, and I needed to drink water, but I couldn't.

02:15:05.000 I was trying to rinse the water out to get the dirt out of my mouth so I could drink water.

02:15:09.000 Man, it wouldn't work.

02:15:11.000 But the fact that I'm 53 years old, I've never had that dream before.

02:15:15.000 So the thing was, I had lost all my water, and I was the one place I could, so that was when...

02:15:20.000 I was drinking my blood, urinating, and nothing.

02:15:24.000 I couldn't get it out.

02:15:27.000 Even so much when they found me, it was glued shut.

02:15:34.000 I hadn't thought about that since that day.

02:15:39.000 I'll never forget that.

02:15:41.000 It felt like somebody had shoveled dirt in my mouth and mixed it with blood.

02:15:46.000 So dry that water couldn't get it wet.

02:15:50.000 And yeah, it was a real thing.

02:15:51.000 That's why it's so crazy that I had that dream last night.

02:15:55.000 I've never had that dream before.

02:15:57.000 It's just crazy that I've had that dream last night, knowing that I was going to talk to you today.

02:16:01.000 And I didn't know that part of the story.

02:16:04.000 It was so real.

02:16:06.000 I think your experience, in some strange way, connected my mind.

02:16:13.000 Connected to my mind last night.

02:16:17.000 I told you earlier, I mean, you run into somebody, like, we're all connected.

02:16:21.000 Yes.

02:16:21.000 That's how it works.

02:16:22.000 Like, the more you go through and the more you open up, the more you open yourself up.

02:16:26.000 And then whoever runs into your life, you're part of that.

02:16:29.000 So, yeah, that's absolutely a real thing.

02:16:32.000 It is a real thing.

02:16:33.000 It just doesn't seem like it should be real.

02:16:35.000 Why?

02:16:36.000 I don't know, because it seems magic.

02:16:38.000 It seems like there's no way of thought.

02:16:40.000 You don't believe in magic?

02:16:40.000 I do.

02:16:41.000 Oh, what the hell's the problem?

02:16:42.000 I do, but I don't.

02:16:44.000 Wait a minute, you don't believe in magic?

02:16:46.000 I believe in it, but I believe a lot of people pretend.

02:16:48.000 Oh, well, yeah. 1.00

02:16:49.000 A lot of people are full of shit. 1.00

02:16:50.000 They are. 1.00

02:16:51.000 They are, man.

02:16:52.000 That's the problem.

02:16:52.000 But there's a lot of people that aren't.

02:16:53.000 Yes, a lot of people aren't.

02:16:55.000 Well, then there you go, man.

02:16:56.000 It's like, man, sometimes you run into things, you're like, well, I thought there was going to be, and then you run into the one that's like the real deal, and you're like, oh, yeah.

02:17:02.000 But as you go through life, it's hard to sort out.

02:17:05.000 It's like you've got to sort out what's real and what's not real, and that's why you appreciate the real so much. 0.98

02:17:09.000 It's because you experience so much bullshit and so much nonsense. 0.95

02:17:14.000 The way I was always taught to think about that is everyone thinks of perfection. 0.99

02:17:18.000 Like if we were all, like this perfect picture.

02:17:21.000 What is perfection?

02:17:23.000 It's imperfection.

02:17:24.000 Because something that you love is something that I want.

02:17:27.000 Something you think is beautiful, maybe I don't.

02:17:29.000 And as you go through life, when you break up that perfect picture, you get the pieces.

02:17:34.000 And like some pieces fit together that aren't supposed to be together.

02:17:36.000 Yes.

02:17:37.000 Right?

02:17:38.000 Like men and women.

02:17:39.000 And then as you go through it, when the connection comes in, like you're supposed to be here and you're supposed to see this and you're supposed to learn that, and then it kind of creates that picture.

02:17:47.000 And imperfection is perfection.

02:17:49.000 It depends on what side of the picture you're on.

02:17:51.000 And as we go through this, everybody has their stage in life.

02:17:54.000 And at no point in time is it bad.

02:17:57.000 It's hard, yeah, because you're not ready for it.

02:17:59.000 But we learn.

02:18:01.000 I think the problem is the word perfection is not a human word.

02:18:04.000 No, it's not, right?

02:18:05.000 The word perfection works with puzzle pieces.

02:18:09.000 A puzzle piece fits into the other spot because it's supposed to be there.

02:18:13.000 But with human beings, there's so many variables.

02:18:15.000 The word perfection is not adequate.

02:18:19.000 And it's not applicable because the best people aren't perfect.

02:18:24.000 You don't want a perfect person.

02:18:26.000 Then you get a Dr. Manhattan.

02:18:28.000 Dude, we married our opposite.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:18:31.000 In our world, like where you and I grew up, martial art world, I mean, everything that we learned how to do, like you and I running together, the last two we should have been hooking up with is them two.

02:18:39.000 Yes, exactly, exactly.

02:18:41.000 But that's the best two.

02:18:43.000 Because it's not a perfection thing.

02:18:46.000 It's, you know, some sort of compatibility thing.

02:18:51.000 Yeah.

02:18:52.000 It's also like recognizing that you need these opposites and these different forces in order to get you to understand yourself better and how you relate to other people.

02:19:05.000 Everyone's different and the best way to experience that is to encounter these different people and to love them.

02:19:13.000 Yeah, some people come up like, hey, immediately you're supposed to love this person.

02:19:21.000 You're supposed to love what they are.

02:19:22.000 I'm like, well, where does that exist?

02:19:24.000 That's not how it works.

02:19:25.000 First, we're going to get to know you.

02:19:26.000 And then we get to like each other, and then we'll love each other.

02:19:29.000 Yeah.

02:19:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:19:30.000 It's kind of a process.

02:19:31.000 But in the beginning, you're supposed to think, all right, the opposite.

02:19:34.000 Let me go get to know what this is.

02:19:36.000 And then even the worst stuff they come at you with, you're actually prepared for it, whether you know it or not.

02:19:42.000 So when you come in there, and then over time, the odd couples, they're the best.

02:19:47.000 Mm-hmm.

02:19:48.000 I mean, who's your odd couple friend?

02:19:51.000 I know you got a friend that people wouldn't even express.

02:19:53.000 I mean, couldn't even expect you to have, right?

02:19:55.000 Oh, I got a lot of them.

02:19:56.000 Same here.

02:19:57.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 With you and I, man, what we are, what we're designed to be, we're trained for certain reasons, you have a reputation, so when they see us piling around with something completely opposite of us, like, what the hell's going on?

02:20:11.000 I'm like, man, it's entertaining.

02:20:12.000 I love it.

02:20:13.000 But that's a sign of strength.

02:20:14.000 Strength, yeah.

02:20:15.000 You can appreciate people that are different from you.

02:20:17.000 And I think there's also a reality that whoever you are is different when you're around different people.

02:20:23.000 I'm different around you than I am around a different person.

02:20:27.000 You're not autonomous.

02:20:30.000 You're not completely independent of the people that are around you.

02:20:34.000 You are some sort of a conglomeration of all the people that you interact with.

02:20:39.000 I'm different around you than I am around someone who's annoying or frustrating.

02:20:43.000 I'm different around that person than I am around someone who's kind and really easygoing and maybe too open-minded.

02:20:51.000 I'm different around different people.

02:20:53.000 And who I am around you is a reflection not just on who I am, but also on how I react to who you are.

02:21:02.000 That's one of the things about relationships that's so important.

02:21:06.000 There's a lot of people that are good people that get in relationships with the wrong person and it becomes chaos.

02:21:11.000 And it's not that that person's bad or that you're bad, but the two of you together, it's wrong.

02:21:17.000 That's what I told you.

02:21:18.000 If you encapsulate both of those like the sin or the virtue, stand by for the ride.

02:21:22.000 Exactly.

02:21:23.000 I got a meme the other day that said that...

02:21:25.000 It was like, man, they're going to talk to people that love me.

02:21:29.000 And you're going to talk to people that hate me.

02:21:31.000 They're both true.

02:21:33.000 They're both right.

02:21:35.000 Yes, exactly.

02:21:36.000 100%.

02:21:37.000 Exactly.

02:21:37.000 Never forget that.

02:21:38.000 Yes.

02:21:39.000 But when we go into those situations, like with you and I, like, hey, man, I'll get as bad as you want.

02:21:45.000 I'll go down deep around that rabbit hole as you want to go.

02:21:48.000 I'll go deep.

02:21:48.000 Like, I mean, come on.

02:21:49.000 Where it's just me and you.

02:21:50.000 Nobody else wants to hang around.

02:21:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:54.000 And then we'll get back to it, and then you kind of run into everybody like, oh, I'll hang out with him until this point.

02:21:58.000 And there are certain guys down here that are like that.

02:22:01.000 And that's a true statement.

02:22:03.000 Yeah, it is a true statement.

02:22:04.000 Everything's different down here.

02:22:06.000 100%.

02:22:06.000 That's perfection.

02:22:09.000 Yeah.

02:22:10.000 The beauty in life is in the imperfection, right?

02:22:13.000 Correct.

02:22:14.000 That's perfection.

02:22:15.000 Imperfection is perfection.

02:22:16.000 Right.

02:22:17.000 Yeah.

02:22:18.000 Imperfection is complete.

02:22:20.000 It's like there's a chaos to life that's...

02:22:24.000 It's preferable.

02:22:28.000 It's better that way.

02:22:30.000 So good.

02:22:31.000 So good.

02:22:32.000 I mean, if everything was regular, like I get up, I go do this thing, that'd be... 1.00

02:22:35.000 Boring as fuck. 1.00

02:22:36.000 Boring. 1.00

02:22:37.000 Boring.

02:22:38.000 Nothing gets done.

02:22:39.000 Nothing gets done.

02:22:40.000 No new art gets created.

02:22:42.000 Nope.

02:22:43.000 Let's wreck some stuff to build some stuff.

02:22:45.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 Period.

02:22:46.000 When we were talking about how the cycles of life and what we're going through right now, the same way.

02:22:51.000 It's like, man, these...

02:22:52.000 Yep.

02:22:52.000 The millennials...

02:22:54.000 I can't even imagine the generation that came out, like the 2020s.

02:22:58.000 Yeah.

02:22:58.000 Phoenixes, right?

02:22:59.000 They were born in chaos.

02:23:01.000 Born in a pandemic.

02:23:03.000 I know.

02:23:05.000 And now they're coming out.

02:23:06.000 They're still tearing stuff up.

02:23:07.000 But they'll be fine, right?

02:23:10.000 And the people that are taking advantage of the situation and want to impose all sorts of weird rules on people, that's natural, too.

02:23:17.000 That's the natural inclination to take advantage of this...

02:23:22.000 Like this recognition that there is some sort of a weakness in our culture.

02:23:27.000 100%.

02:23:27.000 And they just have to attack it.

02:23:29.000 That's it.

02:23:30.000 Whether they're attacking it and they're calling everybody racist or everybody sexist or everybody homophobic, it's natural.

02:23:35.000 It's natural for them to want to do that because they recognize an opening.

02:23:38.000 100%.

02:23:38.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 100%. 0.99

02:23:40.000 Like, hey man, you're a racist. 0.99

02:23:42.000 Alright, whatever. 0.98

02:23:43.000 No, I don't like...

02:23:44.000 I love black people. 0.99

02:23:45.000 I don't like you. 0.99

02:23:46.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:47.000 Like...

02:23:48.000 It's like, when we go through this, especially with our generation, they put us into situations like, no, I'm not.

02:23:53.000 I'm not what you say I am.

02:23:55.000 You just don't know what I am.

02:23:56.000 But everyone will take their opportunity to jump in there.

02:23:58.000 Right.

02:23:58.000 And with us, once you've been through so much, you've been called so much, and you kind of sit back, you're like, okay, all right, fine.

02:24:05.000 But, you know...

02:24:07.000 It's one of the more unique aspects of being a person is this recognition that there are people that will capitalize on these weird little openings in society and culture.

02:24:16.000 And we're in a weird time right now.

02:24:18.000 Because of the advent of social media and also this weird situation we are in where there's so many wars going on currently.

02:24:26.000 There's so much chaos.

02:24:28.000 There's so much, like, there's conflicts.

02:24:31.000 Conflict is a better word than wars. 0.95

02:24:32.000 There's conflict with China, conflict with Russia, conflict with Syria.

02:24:36.000 This conflict internally, this conflict with the right and the left, this conflict with people that want to be a socialist or a capitalist, this conflict with people... 0.93

02:24:46.000 With every fucking aspect of our culture, there's these weird little struggles for dominance. 0.96

02:24:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:24:53.000 Absolutely, 100%.

02:24:54.000 You want to get into that?

02:24:56.000 Yeah.

02:24:56.000 You want to?

02:24:57.000 Can I use your restroom?

02:24:58.000 Yeah, go pee.

02:24:59.000 Is that sure?

02:24:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:25:00.000 Go ahead.

02:25:00.000 We'll pause.

02:25:02.000 Jamie and I will talk about you.

02:25:07.000 Alright, we'll be right back.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 24, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1622 - Marcus Luttrell

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