The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1644 - Ethan Suplee

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00:00:13.000 So what's up, man?

00:00:14.000 Dude, if I didn't know who you were and I ran into you, I would have no idea that you're the same guy.

00:00:21.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:00:22.000 You're a fucking completely different human. 1.00

00:00:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:25.000 You went from this guy that looked like you were really in bad shape to a guy who looks like a guy I would avoid in jujitsu. 1.00

00:00:31.000 I'd be like, fuck that guy. 1.00

00:00:32.000 Let me get away from him. 1.00

00:00:33.000 He's too big. 0.99

00:00:34.000 You look fucking great, man. 0.99

00:00:35.000 That's awesome. 0.98

00:00:36.000 This is the greatest compliment I've ever gotten.

00:00:38.000 Thank you very much. 0.96

00:00:44.000 Just gigantic and fat. 0.59

00:00:45.000 That's all I want. 1.00

00:00:46.000 Dude, you look like a gorilla. 0.99

00:00:48.000 You look like a dangerous human being. 0.97

00:00:50.000 How did you do it?

00:00:53.000 Well, over the past 20 years, I've gone back and forth with dieting.

00:00:57.000 I've lost a shitload of weight.

00:00:59.000 I've gained a shitload of weight back.

00:01:03.000 How did I do it?

00:01:04.000 I think that the thing that I've done that has been sustainable is undoing kind of...

00:01:12.000 Look, a lot of diets come in and say, just do this and you'll lose weight.

00:01:16.000 But we're not focused at all on how we got to whatever point we were at that we consider non-optimal that we want to change.

00:01:24.000 And so, undoing the bad habits that I had that I would associate with allowing myself to get up to 550 pounds Is really more important than anything that I could say, this is what I did to lose weight.

00:01:39.000 Does that make sense?

00:01:40.000 Yes.

00:01:42.000 So when did the process start?

00:01:45.000 So you kind of went back and forth, but you've obviously been on a very steady course for how long now?

00:01:50.000 20 years.

00:01:52.000 19 years.

00:01:53.000 2002 was the first time I thought I really want to change my life.

00:02:01.000 And I started then.

00:02:02.000 And how much weight have you lost since then?

00:02:05.000 2002, I went from 550. I did a liquid diet for two months and lost 80 pounds.

00:02:11.000 That 80 pounds, I've never dipped back into.

00:02:14.000 So I was 450. And I went down to close to just under 300, then went back up to 400, then went down to 200, then back up to 350. And for the past five years,

00:02:33.000 I've been around the weight I'm at now.

00:02:35.000 So I've really gotten that under control.

00:02:39.000 And what are you at right now?

00:02:40.000 270. That is incredible.

00:02:43.000 That is so incredible.

00:02:46.000 So you've lost more than 200 pounds.

00:02:49.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:02:50.000 Solid.

00:02:51.000 I've lost 200 pounds a couple of times.

00:02:53.000 But you've also put on muscle.

00:02:58.000 You're unrecognizable.

00:03:00.000 Yeah.

00:03:01.000 Listen, the other strange thing about weight loss is...

00:03:05.000 When you're building fat and you're storing fat, your body is naturally building lean tissue too just to support that fat.

00:03:13.000 So under every obese person, there's a person with more than average muscle.

00:03:19.000 Because they have to carry around all their weight.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, you're naturally building muscle just by raising your heavier arm.

00:03:25.000 I used to always say that to Ralphie Mae.

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:28.000 Because Ralphie Mae was so heavy, and I was like, look at your legs, dude. 0.99

00:03:31.000 I go, you'd be able to kick someone through a fucking wall if he just lost weight. 0.99

00:03:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:35.000 Just to be able to carry around.

00:03:38.000 I have gnarly calves.

00:03:39.000 I bet you do, dude.

00:03:41.000 That's one of the few things that I train sometimes with bodybuilders now, and my coach is a professional bodybuilder.

00:03:49.000 Jared Feather, shout out to him.

00:03:51.000 And he has a lot of calf emphasis.

00:03:54.000 And I'm like, I don't really need to do that, bro.

00:03:56.000 My calves are good.

00:03:58.000 Yeah, you carried around 500 pounds for years.

00:04:00.000 Can you show me a photo of Ethan when he was at his heaviest?

00:04:07.000 So has this affected your work?

00:04:10.000 Because, you know, you were getting roles for so long as an actor when you were large.

00:04:16.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:04:17.000 Yeah, it has.

00:04:18.000 There was a time, if we go back to like 2015, and I had been really thin.

00:04:26.000 And when I say really thin, I mean 200 pounds.

00:04:27.000 But for me, that was extraordinarily thin.

00:04:30.000 That's what I weigh, which is crazy, and you're a lot bigger than me.

00:04:33.000 It's crazy to see.

00:04:34.000 I thought I looked gaunt.

00:04:36.000 God! 1.00

00:04:38.000 Look at those two fucking pictures! 1.00

00:04:40.000 Like, if a girl broke up with you... 1.00

00:04:44.000 When you were on the left and then ran into you, you know, at the fucking airport when you were on the right. 1.00

00:04:49.000 I mean, that is bonkers, man. 0.99

00:04:51.000 Yeah.

00:04:52.000 It's incredible.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:53.000 I mean, truly, truly incredible.

00:04:56.000 That's my favorite picture and that's not even down lighting. 0.85

00:04:58.000 I was an idiot and I'm not super thrilled with my hair and my head and I wouldn't shave my head because I thought the hat looked better with a little bit of hair poking out and then it got in the way of down lighting.

00:05:12.000 So that's not even as good a picture that could Downed lighting. 0.98

00:05:15.000 That's what everybody wants for abs.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:17.000 They want downed lighting.

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:19.000 See the guns.

00:05:20.000 So your training regimen must be pretty strict. 1.00

00:05:25.000 Look at that fucking picture. 1.00

00:05:26.000 That is so bananas, dude. 1.00

00:05:28.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 What movie is that from?

00:05:30.000 Remember the Titans.

00:05:31.000 Wow.

00:05:32.000 Yeah, that wasn't even the heaviest.

00:05:35.000 That's not the heaviest?

00:05:36.000 I mean, I was probably close to 500 there, but no, that's not even the heaviest.

00:05:40.000 I don't know what to point to.

00:05:42.000 This picture down here is, I believe, after Remember the Titans, and I'm certainly a little bit heavier.

00:05:48.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 When you look at that and you know how far you've come, I mean, it has to be incredibly satisfying.

00:05:58.000 It's incredibly satisfying, but, you know, look, the reality is that I have mental illness and I don't look at myself and think, like, God, I look great.

00:06:12.000 I see nothing but negative stuff every day and I try to I try to find something that I'm happy with.

00:06:20.000 Usually it's my traps.

00:06:21.000 I can look at my traps because it's lean.

00:06:23.000 There's not a bunch of loose skin hanging there.

00:06:25.000 They're not all scarred up from surgeries.

00:06:26.000 And I look at my trap and I go like, okay, that looks good.

00:06:30.000 And based on that, I can then start to feel okay about myself.

00:06:34.000 Looking at those pictures, you know, that's also a long time ago.

00:06:38.000 And I just don't, I cannot relate to how I lived then.

00:06:43.000 Wow.

00:06:45.000 It's very bizarre. 0.84

00:06:47.000 Now when you say you have mental illness, meaning that you're aware of this, right?

00:06:52.000 So you're aware you have a distorted perception of yourself.

00:06:56.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 Very much so.

00:06:58.000 And what do you think is, what's fueling that distorted perception?

00:07:04.000 When I go back to my childhood, I was put on a diet when I was five.

00:07:10.000 And prior to that, I had no sense of self.

00:07:15.000 I existed, and clearly I had fun and I played, but I was not aware of my body as a thing, kind of, if it is external to me, as a separate component to me, or just as a thing itself.

00:07:28.000 It just was.

00:07:30.000 And at five, I was put on this diet and all these parts of me were pointed out as being super negative.

00:07:41.000 At five years old?

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:43.000 And by the way, in fairness, if you look at the average five-year-old today...

00:07:51.000 I wasn't obese at five.

00:07:53.000 I was a chubby five-year-old, but I was super active and I wasn't eating junk food all day long.

00:07:59.000 And you're growing in your body, too.

00:08:01.000 Yeah.

00:08:01.000 That's the thing about five-year-olds.

00:08:03.000 It's like, I've seen kids that look kind of chubby and then you run into them a few years later like, look at you, you're a beanstalk.

00:08:10.000 Yeah, yes.

00:08:10.000 I have four kids myself, and you watch them, they kind of go in different directions, wide and then tall.

00:08:17.000 Yeah, there isn't a set thing.

00:08:20.000 But I spent most of my life feeling... 0.65

00:08:25.000 Wrong like literally that I was wrong or bad or there was some some Just super negative about myself and so I still have to fight through that today like no matter what I've done I 2012 I went and rode every stage of the Tour de France or 2011 maybe Just for just for fun and I could do that on a bicycle and That's not fucking easy.

00:08:51.000 That's thousands of miles on a bicycle in a very short period of time.

00:08:55.000 I was much thinner than I am now, and I was miserable.

00:08:59.000 I was not happy.

00:09:01.000 Why were you miserable?

00:09:02.000 I didn't like the way I looked.

00:09:04.000 I still thought I was fat, and I was 70 pounds lighter than I am now.

00:09:10.000 So it's body dysmorphia.

00:09:12.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:09:14.000 But I think being aware of it, I can talk myself through it. 0.99

00:09:16.000 It's not like I'm hung up on it every day walking around feeling like a piece of shit. 1.00

00:09:20.000 Right. 0.99

00:09:21.000 But I do catch certain glimpses of myself and feel bad and feel negative.

00:09:28.000 See, this is the argument against fat shaming.

00:09:31.000 And I've always said that...

00:09:35.000 I've never been really overweight, but I've been fatter than I am now.

00:09:41.000 I've had a belly.

00:09:42.000 I got fat for a little bit.

00:09:44.000 But it's a joke. 0.75

00:09:46.000 I should be slapped for saying that, right? 0.97

00:09:49.000 A couple pounds on you. 0.91

00:09:50.000 I mean, yes, I don't think so.

00:09:53.000 Whatever you want for yourself, I think, is what you should do. 0.99

00:09:58.000 But I looked at it and I was like, oh fuck, I gotta lose some weight. 0.98

00:10:01.000 And I went on this carnivore diet and I lost like 12 pounds. 0.99

00:10:04.000 But the point is that that worked for me.

00:10:08.000 But I'm not in this mental state where I'm constantly judging myself.

00:10:13.000 And some people are.

00:10:14.000 And it's not their fault.

00:10:16.000 You know what determinism is?

00:10:19.000 Sure.

00:10:19.000 Yeah.

00:10:20.000 Some people don't.

00:10:21.000 There's an argument of free will versus determinism.

00:10:24.000 And I think there's a real good argument for both.

00:10:27.000 But the argument for determinism is, you are who you are.

00:10:31.000 I should explain this.

00:10:32.000 The idea is, determinism is essentially based on the idea that you are You're a product of all of your life experiences.

00:10:43.000 And the idea that you're responsible for everything you do at every step of the day, that's not entirely plausible.

00:10:51.000 Because there's childhood trauma, there's life experiences, there's emotions, there's genetics, there's There's what you've had from all these life experiences that you've tried to assimilate,

00:11:07.000 and those are different than my life experiences, and everybody's are different.

00:11:10.000 And who you are right now.

00:11:12.000 Like, someone said to me one day, and it was kind of a compliment, I could never do what you do.

00:11:17.000 Like, I could never do what you do.

00:11:18.000 I go, you could if you were me.

00:11:20.000 Right.

00:11:21.000 It's not like I'm not saying that there's nothing special about me.

00:11:24.000 I am just who I am because of my life experiences and my genetics and all the things I've done.

00:11:29.000 And you are who you are for all your life experiences and who you've done.

00:11:33.000 And to expect someone who has had bad input...

00:11:38.000 And bad emotional guidance and bad perceptions of their own physical health and their identity. 1.00

00:11:48.000 To accept them to just get their shit together is ridiculous. 1.00

00:11:52.000 It really is. 1.00

00:11:54.000 But they can do it.

00:11:55.000 Some people can do it.

00:11:57.000 You obviously did it.

00:11:58.000 And that's probably the best piece of fuel and inspiration for anyone out there that's looking to get their life together physically, metabolically, healthy.

00:12:11.000 What's the best piece?

00:12:12.000 The best is someone who is at rock bottom, who is 500 plus pounds, and worked their way back to, like I said, a guy I would avoid in jiu-jitsu class.

00:12:22.000 I love that.

00:12:22.000 I mean, it's really what it is.

00:12:23.000 Fuck that big guy. 1.00

00:12:25.000 Get away from me, dude. 1.00

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:26.000 But that's...

00:12:27.000 Which you did. 0.99

00:12:28.000 And I think in that you can help so many fucking people. 0.99

00:12:33.000 You are a gift in so many ways. 0.98

00:12:36.000 Because what you've done is so extraordinary.

00:12:39.000 The accomplishment is so...

00:12:41.000 It's magnificent.

00:12:42.000 I mean, it really is.

00:12:43.000 It's an amazing accomplishment.

00:12:45.000 Not just because of your own...

00:12:47.000 Personal health and what you've done and the way you look, which is incredible, incredible achievement.

00:12:52.000 But you're a fuel, man.

00:12:55.000 You're a rocket fuel for all these other people.

00:12:57.000 Yeah.

00:12:57.000 Because they look at you and go, I can do that.

00:12:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:00.000 I can do that.

00:13:00.000 And they can.

00:13:01.000 They can.

00:13:01.000 Yeah, certainly.

00:13:02.000 I think you had him on the show, too.

00:13:05.000 Robert Sapolsky makes a great argument for determinism.

00:13:08.000 He does. 0.99

00:13:09.000 He's the guy who I read and I go, oh, shit, I don't have free will. 1.00

00:13:12.000 Right. 0.99

00:13:13.000 But I think that as my perspective shifts, I do today feel as though I have free will.

00:13:21.000 I have to battle through everything that makes me me still, but I can do that and I can win.

00:13:27.000 There was certainly a point where the momentum was such in the other direction That I failed time and time again.

00:13:34.000 And again, it kind of always came down to I wasn't addressing how I arrived in the state I arrived at.

00:13:42.000 I was addressing how do I lose weight, thinking that was the only piece of the puzzle that I was missing.

00:13:48.000 And so once I'd lose weight and I'd wake up and go, well, none of the habits that I had cultivated for decades to get me to this bad place or this place that I deem non-optimal.

00:14:02.000 Have been addressed.

00:14:03.000 And by not addressing them, they still exist.

00:14:06.000 And now here I am repeating this cycle over and over and over again.

00:14:12.000 Today, I have whatever version of free will I feel that I have, I feel very confident in decision-making because I can kind of work through these ideas.

00:14:23.000 But there was a long time where it is tough to...

00:14:27.000 To have the attitude with somebody who's in the middle of it and just go like, just make a decision.

00:14:34.000 It's a rough position to put them in because you can make that decision a hundred times and fail.

00:14:41.000 Yeah.

00:14:43.000 It's also your body is trying to trick you into sabotaging your progress.

00:14:50.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:14:51.000 Which is really one of the most fucked up things about the weight loss addiction, which makes it so much more difficult than I think most addictions, is that you have to eat. 0.82

00:15:01.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:15:01.000 You don't have to gamble. 0.95

00:15:02.000 Right.

00:15:03.000 Or do drugs.

00:15:04.000 Right.

00:15:04.000 But do you know anyone who's a gambling addict?

00:15:06.000 Yes.

00:15:07.000 It's really fascinating because it is a drug.

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:09.000 But it's a weird drug.

00:15:11.000 It's a drug that your brain makes.

00:15:12.000 I didn't know anyone who was a gambling addict until I started playing pool.

00:15:17.000 And then I was hanging around this pool hall.

00:15:19.000 When I was 22, 23 years old, there's a place called White Plains Billiards in White Plains, New York.

00:15:28.000 Executive Billiards, rather, in White Plains, New York.

00:15:30.000 And Executive Billiards was a full-on degenerate pool hall.

00:15:34.000 It was just guys that were gambling, a lot of guys who lived in flop houses.

00:15:38.000 They always had like $10 for their name, and they would bet that $10 and then try to bum money off of people.

00:15:44.000 I mean, and it was as a young guy who came from sports, you know, came from martial arts, and I was, you know, I was like goal-oriented and I was trying to be very disciplined in my life.

00:15:56.000 To see these guys live like this, I was like, wow, this is crazy!

00:15:59.000 I just enjoyed the game of pools.

00:16:01.000 I was trying to learn this game, and these guys that were really into it were also degenerate gamblers.

00:16:06.000 And almost all of them.

00:16:08.000 I mean, to a man, they were degenerate gamblers.

00:16:11.000 And to watch these people get jazzed up for gambling and for bets, they would bet on anything, man.

00:16:17.000 Raindrops going down a windowpane.

00:16:19.000 They would gamble on which drop?

00:16:22.000 You'd see their eyes glaze over a little bit.

00:16:24.000 Oh my god, they just wanted that fix.

00:16:25.000 Yes! 1.00

00:16:26.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:16:27.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:16:28.000 And they'd win. 1.00

00:16:29.000 Crazy!

00:16:29.000 They would gamble on cards, they would roll dice, they would do anything.

00:16:33.000 They would gamble on shots, make a shot, set a shot up.

00:16:36.000 They would give people crazy games.

00:16:38.000 But it is 100% a drug.

00:16:41.000 But it's a drug you can avoid.

00:16:42.000 Just don't go to the pool hall, talk to a counselor.

00:16:45.000 It seems like an easier one to get away from.

00:16:49.000 But the food one's crazy.

00:16:50.000 Because you have to eat.

00:16:52.000 You have to.

00:16:53.000 There was a time when, and it's so bizarre that it came out and they modeled it after Soylent Green, which ultimately turned out to be People at the end.

00:17:01.000 Spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't seen that movie.

00:17:04.000 It's from the 60s, right?

00:17:05.000 It's a long time ago, yes.

00:17:06.000 We haven't ruined anything, hopefully.

00:17:08.000 But there's a Soylent Drink, which is...

00:17:11.000 Pretty bland, but they have all, and they design it to like, here's my weight and height and activity level, and they give you these drinks and you basically stop eating. 0.99

00:17:20.000 And I, when I heard about that, I was like, fuck, because I'm sober. 0.91

00:17:24.000 And I totally understand this kind of black and white, like, when I'm doing something, I'm doing it 100%, whether that's eating cheeseburgers at 4am or, you know, scoring Coke and drinking a lot. 0.99

00:17:37.000 And If I can just give up food and drink this soylent shit for the rest of my life, maybe I'm solved. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Maybe that's the key to me. 0.99

00:17:45.000 But, you know, I don't think that's even really a realistic thing to do.

00:17:49.000 No, I don't think that's the key.

00:17:51.000 I mean, I think it's a tool, you know, and you can use tools to kind of help you bridge gaps in between where you are and where you want to be.

00:17:58.000 But again, it's like, who are you?

00:18:01.000 I mean, for some people, that's not a good tool.

00:18:04.000 For some people, it is.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:06.000 We have to come to grips with the fact that human beings are so different from each other.

00:18:11.000 We're so similar and yet so different.

00:18:13.000 And so much of your life experience and your genetics and all these different things determine who you are currently.

00:18:21.000 And to say, just get on this Soylent drink for someone who just craves the flavors of food.

00:18:27.000 You know, Action Bronson was on the podcast recently, and he's a chef.

00:18:30.000 Yeah.

00:18:31.000 So for him...

00:18:32.000 Real tough.

00:18:32.000 Yeah, real tough.

00:18:33.000 But he also had a son. 1.00

00:18:34.000 And when he had a kid, and he realized he was ridiculously overweight and sedentary and wasn't doing anything, and now he's a fucking beast. 0.99

00:18:43.000 That guy trains so hard. 0.99

00:18:45.000 He trains every day.

00:18:46.000 One of the first things he did when he booked the show out here, he said, hey, I need a gym to go to.

00:18:51.000 He said, go to my gym, Onnit Gyms, just down the street.

00:18:53.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 It's a little bit away from here.

00:18:55.000 We'll set you up.

00:18:56.000 We'll get you a trainer. 0.99

00:18:58.000 I've worked out with him. 0.98

00:18:59.000 He fucking works out hard, man. 0.97

00:19:00.000 He goes after it. 0.99

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 He really does.

00:19:03.000 I was really impressed.

00:19:04.000 I worry sometimes for some people that trading or trying to handle being obese with exercise...

00:19:14.000 For me, that's a scary proposition because I've done that.

00:19:17.000 And the minute that you miss a workout or miss a few or you hurt yourself, if you haven't adjusted your food, you're gaining weight again.

00:19:28.000 So I really do...

00:19:29.000 I train every day.

00:19:31.000 I take a day off a week, and it's very important to me to get into the gym.

00:19:35.000 But I do that because it makes me feel better.

00:19:37.000 Yeah, me too.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, I guess I do it for fitness and I guess I do it for health.

00:19:44.000 I do it for all those things, for sure.

00:19:46.000 But I really do it for my head.

00:19:48.000 Yeah, me too.

00:19:49.000 And I feel, you know, I'm a broken record. 0.99

00:19:52.000 People don't even know what a broken record is anymore, these fucking kids today. 0.99

00:19:56.000 They don't. 0.99

00:19:56.000 A broken MP3. Have you ever heard a broken record? 0.99

00:19:58.000 You ever heard a record skipped? 1.00

00:20:00.000 You fucking young Jamie. 0.99

00:20:04.000 But the message is really clear. 1.00

00:20:07.000 People out there that are not exercising, you're doing your brain a disservice more than anything. 0.99

00:20:12.000 I know it sucks. 0.76

00:20:12.000 I know you don't want to do it. 0.76

00:20:13.000 But if you can do it, it'll relieve so much anxiety.

00:20:16.000 When I talk to people that are on anti-anxiety medication or SSRIs and all these different things, my first question is always do your exercise.

00:20:24.000 And they'll look at you like you're talking to a cancer patient, like, how'd you do this?

00:20:27.000 How'd you get there?

00:20:29.000 Why do you have cancer, man?

00:20:30.000 Like, that's not...

00:20:31.000 I'm just saying, listen, if you exercise, I guarantee you feel it might not fix everything, but it'll fix a lot for a lot of people.

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.000 And for me, it started with just taking a walk.

00:20:42.000 When the idea of exercise was insurmountable, just how far can I walk?

00:20:49.000 And then can I walk a little further the next day?

00:20:51.000 And then can I beat that?

00:20:53.000 And I'm saying like...

00:20:55.000 When I'm used to just walking to my car from my front door, can I walk past my car?

00:21:00.000 Literally, if that's it, at 550 pounds it might be that small.

00:21:04.000 But if you go into it with the attitude of setting goals, and you see that you can achieve this goal, and then you can beat it, and you can go a little further, I wouldn't use that to address weight loss, but just to feel that you can accomplish something with your body is a big deal.

00:21:24.000 There was a lady that I used to yoga with and I watched her lose about a hundred pounds in a year. 1.00

00:21:31.000 Wow.

00:21:31.000 It was incredible.

00:21:32.000 And I remember I brought it up to her and I was trying to figure out how to bring it up to her because I could tell she got like super uncomfortable and I was like shit. 0.98

00:21:40.000 Like, I'm trying to be nice here, but I'm addressing the fact that she was gigantic and now she's just big. 0.60

00:21:47.000 And I said, I don't remember what I said, but it's something along the lines of, I think your consistency is incredibly inspirational.

00:21:57.000 I said, I think it's awesome.

00:21:58.000 You're in here all the time.

00:21:59.000 But I mean, by saying that, I'm saying...

00:22:01.000 You're acknowledging.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, I'm acknowledging that there's an issue, you know, and that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

00:22:06.000 They'd rather just be invisible.

00:22:08.000 Yeah.

00:22:09.000 You know, but...

00:22:10.000 I had to.

00:22:10.000 I spent the majority of my life trying to be invisible.

00:22:14.000 Trying to, you know, I wore shirts at the beach, which made me feel like I was covered up. 0.99

00:22:23.000 I mean, you look at the white fucking shirt with water. 0.98

00:22:25.000 It's a wet t-shirt. 0.99

00:22:26.000 You can see through it.

00:22:27.000 It's not hiding anything.

00:22:28.000 But it made me feel less present.

00:22:31.000 I have terrible posture simply because I try to be smaller, right?

00:22:37.000 Now, you call me a gorilla, it makes me feel good. 0.92

00:22:40.000 When I was 500 pounds, had you called me a gorilla, I would have been like, oh my god, this is awful.

00:22:46.000 These gorillas are big.

00:22:47.000 And it's just a weird thing.

00:22:49.000 But I think it's nice to acknowledge people when you see something.

00:22:54.000 And god, what a wonderful way you did that by just saying her consistency.

00:22:58.000 You're acknowledging everything.

00:23:00.000 You're not pointing out to her that there was anything wrong with her.

00:23:04.000 You're simply stating like you admire what she's doing.

00:23:06.000 I think that's a kind way to acknowledge somebody.

00:23:09.000 I was trying.

00:23:10.000 I was trying to be kind.

00:23:11.000 And I was being really honest.

00:23:13.000 She really is impressive.

00:23:16.000 It's amazing to watch someone just decide at some point in time, enough is enough.

00:23:22.000 I'm gonna do something and that lady was in there every day and I wasn't in there every day I was only going to yoga a couple days a week and I go in there I'm like again you're here again yeah she was such a nice lady too and then the instructor said how much have you lost so far and I think she was at that time she was closing in on a hundred pounds which is amazing yeah but you know you could see the consistency it was changing like a practice like first for the beginning of the year versus the end of the year she's deeper into poses she could hold things longer and this is hot yoga too Which is,

00:23:52.000 you know, rough stuff.

00:23:54.000 It's 105 degrees.

00:23:55.000 I've done all forms of exercise, indoor exercise.

00:23:58.000 The only time I thought I was going to potentially die was hot yoga.

00:24:01.000 And the teacher said, we have one rule here.

00:24:04.000 You cannot leave.

00:24:05.000 If you can't do anything, you just lay down. 1.00

00:24:07.000 And I laid down and thought, I'm going to lay here and die because I'm too scared to tell this teacher to go fuck herself because I'm not allowed to leave. 1.00

00:24:15.000 And she said, we locked the door. 1.00

00:24:16.000 I'll kick a fucking hole through the door. 1.00

00:24:18.000 I laid there for the rest of the class with my heart rate jacked up and thought like, I can't believe I'm going to allow myself to die in this sauna because this chick has a rule. 1.00

00:24:30.000 Yeah, but that rule's good for your head.

00:24:32.000 It's not good for everybody.

00:24:33.000 You really should have ice-cold water.

00:24:35.000 I bring a gigantic hydro flask, like a 64-ounce hydro flask, and it's mostly ice and water.

00:24:41.000 Mostly ice and then water, because it's going to melt during the class.

00:24:45.000 And I was always trying to find the right level of ice to water, so the end of the class had a little bit of ice, but not much.

00:24:54.000 There's something about that, too.

00:24:56.000 There's a study they're doing right now, I believe it's at Harvard, where they're trying to figure out whether or not hot yoga mimics the same sort of effects in terms of heat shock proteins that sauna does.

00:25:10.000 Right.

00:25:10.000 Because sauna is insanely beneficial for you.

00:25:13.000 But one thing it definitely does is it tests your brain in a unique way.

00:25:17.000 Because you want to get out of there.

00:25:19.000 Because you want relief.

00:25:21.000 But if you could talk yourself into not getting that relief until the end, you've got a victory.

00:25:26.000 It's a victory for the day.

00:25:28.000 My victory was simply that I didn't die.

00:25:31.000 And I was really convinced.

00:25:32.000 You only did it once?

00:25:33.000 I did it one time.

00:25:34.000 And I did it after a spinning class. 1.00

00:25:37.000 It was a very stupid move. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Jesus Christ, that's crazy. 1.00

00:25:41.000 Yeah, it was not smart.

00:25:42.000 Wow, that's a risky move. 0.99

00:25:44.000 Spinning class is fucking hard, period. 0.99

00:25:46.000 And then to go yoga after spinning class, that's preposterous. 0.99

00:25:51.000 It was awful.

00:25:52.000 Well, there's a couple times I did it.

00:25:54.000 I said, I can't do this anymore.

00:25:55.000 I'm getting mauled.

00:25:56.000 I would go yoga in the morning and then jujitsu at night.

00:25:59.000 I would just get mauled. 1.00

00:26:00.000 I'm so tired to get my ass kicked. 1.00

00:26:03.000 Because I would be at like legit 60% of what I'm capable of. 0.99

00:26:08.000 I was like, ugh.

00:26:09.000 I have no pop, no explosiveness.

00:26:12.000 My body's just so tired. 1.00

00:26:13.000 My body's like, what are you doing, stupid? 1.00

00:26:15.000 Like, you just killed me five hours ago. 1.00

00:26:18.000 And now you're doing this? 0.93

00:26:19.000 You're in here doing this. 1.00

00:26:20.000 This thing that can kill you. 1.00

00:26:22.000 It's so good for your fucking head though. 1.00

00:26:24.000 That's how I feel about sauna too. 1.00

00:26:26.000 One of the things that I like most about sauna is that I don't like it.

00:26:29.000 I don't like the last five minutes are so hard.

00:26:34.000 It's so rough. 0.99

00:26:37.000 Because you're sitting there, and every impulse you have is to get the fuck out of there. 0.97

00:26:43.000 The door's right there. 0.99

00:26:45.000 Like, what's wrong with you?

00:26:46.000 Open that door, and you go, ah, cool, jump in the shower, cold water, let's get free. 0.84

00:26:50.000 Right.

00:26:51.000 Nope.

00:26:51.000 Stay.

00:26:52.000 You have a timer.

00:26:53.000 I think that that is the thing that I like about exercise because sometimes the night before I'm looking forward to it, like I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow, first thing I'm going to feel better.

00:27:04.000 The morning of, I'm never super amped up to get to the gym and start working out.

00:27:08.000 And there's always a little bit of struggle there.

00:27:11.000 It's never something I'm close to losing the struggle on nowadays, but...

00:27:17.000 Making it through is a big deal for me and the fact that I put and when I string together a Succession of making it through the momentum carries me a long way Any day that I miss it and I lose that fight It's like a massive swing in the opposite direction.

00:27:37.000 Psychologically.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, I feel that way too.

00:27:40.000 I always am less enthusiastic about getting to a place where I have to work out with other people.

00:27:46.000 Yeah.

00:27:47.000 Which is weird. 0.99

00:27:48.000 It's like that's the one where all of my bitch-ass instincts are like, stay home, stop it. 0.99

00:27:53.000 Doesn't your back hurt or something? 1.00

00:27:55.000 Yeah.

00:27:55.000 Aren't you feeling tired today?

00:27:57.000 And people say, oh, you work out so hard, you must be really disable.

00:28:01.000 And I'm like...

00:28:02.000 I'm kind of disciplined, but I'm kind of lazy.

00:28:05.000 I'm like the most lazy, disciplined person you'll ever meet, because I always do it, but I always don't want to, but I always do it.

00:28:14.000 I'm very consistent in my actions, but there's part of me, and David Goggin said that about himself.

00:28:21.000 He was like, people think that it's easy for me? 0.99

00:28:23.000 He goes, sometimes I look at my shoes, I stare at those motherfuckers for a half hour before I put them on. 0.99

00:28:29.000 He's amazing. 1.00

00:28:30.000 He's a fucking... 1.00

00:28:30.000 He's fucking amazing. 1.00

00:28:31.000 He's a monster. 1.00

00:28:33.000 I hope that people are... 0.93

00:28:36.000 Watching him and going, if I need to use him just to walk to the bathroom, that's what I should use him for.

00:28:43.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:28:44.000 It doesn't all have to be ultra-marathons.

00:28:47.000 Right, right, right.

00:28:47.000 Anything.

00:28:48.000 Anything.

00:28:49.000 Walk around the block.

00:28:50.000 Anything.

00:28:51.000 Get work done that you need to get done.

00:28:54.000 Don't just sit in your house.

00:28:56.000 Sitting in your house and being lethargic... 1.00

00:28:59.000 It's so fucking bad for you. 1.00

00:29:00.000 There's something about nature or genetics or whatever our code is, that when you're doing literally nothing, just laying around doing nothing, your body's like, what the fuck is the point? 0.99

00:29:13.000 What are we here for? 0.91

00:29:14.000 And what people don't recognize is like when you're laying around just watching television and then you shut the TV off and you feel like shit, you are artificially stimulated for hours and hours just staring at things happening while you did nothing. 0.88

00:29:28.000 And then when you shut it off, the reality of your actual day sets in like, oh my god, I've done nothing. 0.56

00:29:35.000 But I thought I was doing something. 0.96

00:29:37.000 I thought I was in a fucking Aston Martin being chased because I was James Bond. 0.99

00:29:41.000 And the guys are shooting. 0.98

00:29:44.000 But no, you really weren't doing anything.

00:29:46.000 You're getting this weird, fake stimulation.

00:29:48.000 It's so bad for you.

00:29:49.000 I'm not saying it's bad for you all the time.

00:29:51.000 It's great when you've accomplished things and you feel good and you want to just enjoy something, give yourself a little reward.

00:29:56.000 And I'm a firm believer in rewards. 0.99

00:29:58.000 But man, when I waste a day, I feel like such a fucking loser. 0.99

00:30:02.000 It's awful. 0.99

00:30:03.000 It's awful for me too.

00:30:05.000 We arrive at a day and age where you can be a professional video game player.

00:30:11.000 You can have all your food left on your doorstep.

00:30:16.000 Have you watched television recently?

00:30:19.000 Yeah.

00:30:20.000 I hadn't watched television just like network television in years.

00:30:24.000 Oh, no, I don't watch that.

00:30:24.000 You put it on.

00:30:25.000 The commercials are all medication and food.

00:30:28.000 Oh, yeah, that's right. 0.99

00:30:29.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:30:30.000 The medication commercials freak me out. 0.99

00:30:32.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 And there's so many.

00:30:34.000 Talk to your doctor.

00:30:35.000 There were these problems that existed that have medicines now. 1.00

00:30:40.000 Shit you never heard of. 0.99

00:30:42.000 It seems unethical. 1.00

00:30:43.000 And it seems weird that it's allowed.

00:30:45.000 Like, for sure.

00:30:47.000 You know we're only one of two countries on planet Earth that allows that?

00:30:51.000 I didn't know that.

00:30:52.000 What's the other country?

00:30:53.000 New Zealand.

00:30:53.000 Wow.

00:30:54.000 New Zealand's doing way better than us, by the way.

00:30:57.000 Right.

00:30:58.000 I think they're brushing it off a little easier, but it just seems wrong. 0.99

00:31:02.000 Like, your doctor should be the one telling you if you need fucking medication, and you should go to your doctor. 0.98

00:31:07.000 Because psychosomatic disorders are real, you know? 0.99

00:31:10.000 And also this idea that watching something on television in a commercial, and you're like, oh, I have all those problems.

00:31:17.000 Real simple, real clean.

00:31:18.000 Talk to your doctor.

00:31:19.000 Oh, I'm going to go talk to my doctor about this.

00:31:21.000 Like, what about hypochondriacs, man? 0.88

00:31:23.000 What about crazy people? 0.99

00:31:24.000 Like, you just... 1.00

00:31:26.000 Fucking their head up all day long, which is a real problem with people. 0.99

00:31:30.000 If you say to people, if you plant those seeds in their head, do you have this? 1.00

00:31:35.000 Do you have that?

00:31:36.000 Is this wrong?

00:31:37.000 Do you feel bad about this?

00:31:38.000 You're like, oh, do I? Maybe I do.

00:31:41.000 We're so malleable, you know, that to influence us with drugs, and then they hit you with, side effects may include, and then they may include, what if they definitely included? 0.99

00:31:52.000 There's almost always colitis and rectal bleeding, and that's the one that I just go like, who the fuck wants to, that's not a trade-off! 0.58

00:31:59.000 And the thing is, it's like, may include is weird, because what if it said, always include? 0.96

00:32:04.000 Like, take this, and this is definitely going to happen.

00:32:06.000 You'd be like, I'm not taking that!

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 It might happen, but it might not.

00:32:09.000 Maybe you'll feel better.

00:32:11.000 Maybe your toes won't hurt.

00:32:13.000 Psychosis and colitis are the two where I just go, any problem I have, I'll just fix it with nutrition before I try this drug.

00:32:22.000 Good for you.

00:32:23.000 That's what I'll try.

00:32:24.000 But here's the thing.

00:32:25.000 I'm kind of... 1.00

00:32:26.000 Full of shit. 1.00

00:32:27.000 Because I watch those commercials, they don't do shit to me. 1.00

00:32:30.000 I watch those commercials, and I see some girl spinning around in the fields of wheat and flowers. 0.99

00:32:37.000 I don't think I need to get on birth control.

00:32:40.000 It's like, whatever she's on, it's not... 1.00

00:32:42.000 So I'm kind of full of shit. 0.99

00:32:44.000 Because it doesn't affect me. 0.99

00:32:47.000 So why am I upset about it? 0.99

00:32:48.000 Why do I give a shit? 0.98

00:32:49.000 This is the problem that I have with a lot of things that people are very upset about today. 0.99

00:32:55.000 Like whether it's conspiracy theories or whatever it is. 0.98

00:33:01.000 There's people out there that want to protect other people from bullshit. 0.98

00:33:06.000 And I get it. 0.99

00:33:08.000 I get where they're coming from.

00:33:10.000 But why doesn't it bother me?

00:33:12.000 I think, though, that, you know, and I think I know what you're talking about.

00:33:17.000 I think we've come to another point where there's an assumption that we all have the exact same set of values.

00:33:23.000 Right.

00:33:26.000 When I hear people say, I'm siding with science, my first instinct is to ask when science developed a set of values or morals.

00:33:34.000 Because there's no scientific moral code.

00:33:39.000 That doesn't exist.

00:33:41.000 If you want to place some value on a scientific outcome, that's a human...

00:33:49.000 It's an opinion that forces that scientific outcome into a value system.

00:33:56.000 And so if you sit back and you assume that everybody innately has the exact same set of values, then yeah, we can have these arguments based on science, not science.

00:34:07.000 But if people don't necessarily have the same value system that you have, why would we want all this?

00:34:15.000 Like, this is where I get into people who want to protect other people, and it's like, well, you're just assuming that all the things that you want are the things that they should want.

00:34:26.000 And when I hear what people should want, I go like, that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

00:34:31.000 Right now, It's slightly difficult to talk about weight loss because I've been obese and now I'm not obese and I celebrate not being obese.

00:34:43.000 I am much better off with the way I have structured my life because of having lost weight.

00:34:50.000 But I can't tell anybody else to do that.

00:34:53.000 And I don't even really want to.

00:34:54.000 If somebody wants to be overweight, if that's a trade-off they're willing to make, that's fine with me.

00:35:00.000 But I think for the most part, most of the people I've spoken to, they don't want that.

00:35:06.000 A lot of people seem to have goals that generally line up with mine.

00:35:09.000 And then in talking to them...

00:35:11.000 Now there's this diet culture monster in the room where even that is attacked because there's a whole new set of values that are born that must be enforced.

00:35:21.000 And at some point, there's got to be the recognition that we don't all necessarily have to want the exact same stuff.

00:35:29.000 There's also so much biological variability, right?

00:35:31.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 The things that would work on another person just don't work on you.

00:35:36.000 Sure.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, including diet.

00:35:39.000 Oh, man.

00:35:40.000 Arguing about diets is another great one.

00:35:43.000 I really like talking about diets simply because at the end of the day, it's so much safer than politics because there's no military backing up a diet system.

00:35:51.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:35:52.000 You talk about politics and it's like, we have a fucking military to force you to do the shit we want you to do versus the other military that's going to force you the other way. 0.99

00:36:02.000 But diets, it's like veganism versus carnivore. 0.98

00:36:06.000 If we're just talking about weight loss, the other thing, some of these things get into like the minutia of health.

00:36:12.000 If you've got a guy who's got 200 pounds to lose, why are we focusing on the minutia of health?

00:36:19.000 I don't know that that's the right goal.

00:36:21.000 If the goal is just weight loss, I don't think these are the same conversations.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, I think...

00:36:31.000 I think there's so many different things that need to happen to a person to force them into action.

00:36:38.000 What do you think is the key things?

00:36:41.000 Is it inspiration?

00:36:43.000 Is motivation?

00:36:47.000 Sometimes is it that you don't want to die or you don't want to be sick any longer, that you're fed up?

00:36:53.000 Or is it being inspired by a guy like David Goggins or Cameron Haynes or someone like that?

00:36:58.000 For me...

00:37:00.000 For the very first time in my life, I was thinking about the future in a way in terms of what I wanted out of life versus just like what makes me happy right this second.

00:37:14.000 And I was seeing a girl who I'm now married to.

00:37:17.000 We have a bunch of kids and I couldn't have a better life.

00:37:21.000 Like 20 years ago, if I described to you the life I wanted in that moment, I've way surpassed that.

00:37:29.000 That's awesome.

00:37:29.000 Congratulations.

00:37:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:37:31.000 Yeah, I have to take a step back occasionally and go check you out.

00:37:36.000 Look what you did.

00:37:37.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:37:38.000 That's amazing.

00:37:39.000 At 500 pounds, I was not thinking I can be a dad, I can be a husband, I could teach little kids how to do stuff.

00:37:47.000 Like, this was not part of my...

00:37:48.000 I could take my wife on a hike, I could go to the beach with her and not, you know, sit under a towel in the back because I'm scared of people looking at me.

00:37:56.000 These were not the thoughts I was having.

00:37:59.000 So that spark of motivation of, like, what do I want out of life got me just so far because after an extreme diet, when you've crashed your metabolism and you then – and by the way,

00:38:18.000 Your body is fighting against you tooth and nail doing these things because your body thinks you're starving to death.

00:38:24.000 Right.

00:38:24.000 So it's trying to slow everything down.

00:38:26.000 Slowing everything down.

00:38:28.000 Over long periods, you're not just consuming fat.

00:38:31.000 You're consuming fat and lean tissue. 0.99

00:38:33.000 It's fucking tough. 1.00

00:38:34.000 All your hormones are fucked up. 1.00

00:38:37.000 I forget the name of the hormone, but there's a hormone that makes you hungry. 0.99

00:38:40.000 This is skyrocketing when you're on an extremely caloric deficit diet.

00:38:47.000 So then you go to like just eating like a normal person and you're watching what other people eat and you're eating this and you're fucking putting on weight again like at a rapid pace and going like this doesn't make sense.

00:38:57.000 I thought I was cured. 0.89

00:38:58.000 I lost all this weight.

00:39:01.000 I watched a really fascinating TED talk by a guy named Mike Isretel about five years ago, four or five years ago.

00:39:09.000 And in it, and I had tried...

00:39:11.000 I was dead convinced that I was allergic to carbohydrates.

00:39:15.000 And so I was like, I'll never eat a carbohydrate for the rest of my life.

00:39:18.000 You thought you were allergic to carbohydrates?

00:39:19.000 I was convinced that everybody...

00:39:21.000 Yes, that everybody was...

00:39:24.000 Gluten intolerant that the way that we made bread in America with all the ingredients was just poisonous to the human body I was totally convinced of this and I watched this TED talk by Mike Isretel and In it it's called the the dietary landscape of healthy eating and he just goes over like Just be moderate.

00:39:42.000 That's it.

00:39:43.000 Just like try to figure out moderation.

00:39:46.000 Nothing's poisonous.

00:39:47.000 Nothing's awful like salt if you have no salt You can die.

00:39:52.000 If sodium disappears from your diet, you can die.

00:39:56.000 If you have too much salt, it can kill you.

00:39:58.000 There's an amount, five grams, I think, at one time, and I believe this study was done on small bodies, can kill you.

00:40:06.000 It can be fatal.

00:40:07.000 So is that poisonous or is it necessary?

00:40:10.000 It's both.

00:40:12.000 This is food for me.

00:40:14.000 The way I was interacting with food, The idea that I'm a machine, like, you're a car guy.

00:40:22.000 You're not going to put diesel fuel in your gas car.

00:40:25.000 You're not going to do that because it's going to break it.

00:40:27.000 And I had to start really thinking about food in these terms and going, like, I just have a bad relationship with food, a relationship that is giving me an outcome I don't want.

00:40:37.000 How do I change that, like, utterly?

00:40:41.000 The first carbohydrates I ate, after 15 years basically of being convinced that I was allergic to them, I was fucking terrified that it was going to be like cocaine and I was not going to be able to stop myself.

00:40:53.000 I was going to sit there with a bowl of rice. 0.97

00:40:55.000 That's crazy.

00:40:58.000 Rice or pasta without a bunch of oil and cheese is not fun enough to sit there and eat it like that for me.

00:41:05.000 Maybe it is for somebody, but I couldn't do it. 0.97

00:41:07.000 I got my cup of rice down and I was like, holy shit, I'm okay. 0.65

00:41:12.000 I don't have to eat another cup. 0.97

00:41:14.000 I don't have to eat the whole bag of rice.

00:41:18.000 This was like night and day for me because for a long time I tried to address myself with the diet and now...

00:41:28.000 I think diet is the most important aspect, but the other definition of diet, not restrictive, just how you eat.

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 For performance, most people believe that carbohydrates are essential for peak performance.

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:44.000 Even the carnivore ultramarathon guys, right?

00:41:47.000 Exactly.

00:41:47.000 Zach Bitter.

00:41:48.000 Yeah, Zach who holds the world record for the fastest 100 miles run.

00:41:54.000 He ran 100 miles and I believe it was 11 hours and 40 minutes or some shit like that. 0.97

00:42:00.000 Zach's a freak. 0.99

00:42:01.000 I mean, he's a savage. 0.96

00:42:02.000 And he takes in quite a bit of glucose while he's running.

00:42:06.000 He uses glucose gels.

00:42:08.000 He does a bunch of different things.

00:42:09.000 But for the most part, he eats an animal-based diet.

00:42:12.000 Yeah.

00:42:13.000 But this is him.

00:42:15.000 There's other people that are doing it that are eating mostly pasta, and they can do that too. 0.98

00:42:20.000 I think at the end of the day, if you're a guy who the idea of giving up carbohydrates, if you need to lose a shitload of weight, and the idea of giving up carbohydrates, if you can't really see that as a long-term thing, Fucking don't. 0.98

00:42:35.000 Right. 0.97

00:42:35.000 Don't do it. 0.97

00:42:36.000 What seems to work best for me, I've tried a bunch of different ways of eating.

00:42:40.000 What seems to work best for me is meat and fish and vegetables.

00:42:45.000 When I eat mostly just meat and fish and generally like salad or maybe sauteed broccoli or some sauteed broccolini or something like that.

00:42:55.000 Those things, to me, it seems like I have zero issues with food.

00:43:00.000 When I go off the rails, it's pasta. 0.99

00:43:04.000 I'm a fucking glutton, dude. 0.99

00:43:06.000 But it's not just pasta, right? 1.00

00:43:08.000 It's pasta with lots of sauce, cheese, cream.

00:43:11.000 Lots of sauce.

00:43:12.000 Yes, keep talking.

00:43:12.000 Let me take my pants off.

00:43:15.000 Me too!

00:43:16.000 That's the thing.

00:43:17.000 I just can't stop eating it, man.

00:43:20.000 I could eat a full steak, like a 16-ounce ribeye, and then if there's a bowl of pasta right next to it, I'll keep going.

00:43:28.000 But if I just have the steak, I'm fine.

00:43:30.000 Steak and a salad, I'm good.

00:43:31.000 I'm done eating.

00:43:32.000 I'm satisfied.

00:43:33.000 But if that pasta's there, I'm like, oh!

00:43:36.000 And then my stomach will stick out.

00:43:39.000 I'll be in pain.

00:43:39.000 I'll be like, oh!

00:43:41.000 It sticks out my sides. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And I look at myself in the mirror, I'm like, you fucking slob. 1.00

00:43:46.000 What have you done to your body? 1.00

00:43:48.000 Because you've forced your body to eat this glue.

00:43:51.000 Because when you chew it down, it's just paste. 1.00

00:43:53.000 It's this fucking bowl of paste you've stuffed in your sack. 1.00

00:43:57.000 I try to eat some pasta. 1.00

00:44:00.000 Pasta is like the least of it, and I hate it without a ton of olive oil or Parmesan cheese.

00:44:06.000 It's not fun, so it's not one of my go-tos.

00:44:09.000 But I do have pasta or rice or whole grain bread or potatoes every day, a little bit.

00:44:14.000 But for the most part, that's my diet.

00:44:17.000 It's lean protein and vegetables.

00:44:19.000 I seem to have very little problem with rice.

00:44:22.000 When I have rice, everything seems good. 0.99

00:44:24.000 It makes me full, but I don't feel like shit. 0.98

00:44:28.000 Rice seems to be no issue for me, particularly white rice. 0.98

00:44:32.000 I was shocked when I found out that brown rice is actually not as good for you as white rice is.

00:44:36.000 Hard to digest, yeah.

00:44:38.000 And you're like, what?

00:44:38.000 How's that possible?

00:44:39.000 No, we were lied to as children.

00:44:41.000 They lied to us.

00:44:42.000 Well, it just seems like you're eating something whole grain, man.

00:44:46.000 Yeah.

00:44:47.000 You know, it's like Lickman.

00:44:48.000 Dude, when gluten-free bread was invented, because this happened in the midst of me becoming gluten-free, and it was like a few years into it that suddenly it was like, there's a cookie shop, there's a bakery in West Hollywood that does gluten-free pastries.

00:45:05.000 And then I was just like, oh my God, they're speaking to me.

00:45:08.000 And I would go there every day and I would eat muffins and cakes and shit and I would go, it's gluten free. 0.99

00:45:14.000 And I would gain weight and I'd be like, what the fuck is the problem? 0.99

00:45:17.000 There was no point that I was ever like, it's gluten for me has nothing to do with it. 0.97

00:45:23.000 Now, if you have celiacs or Hachimoto's or something where gluten can mess with you, yeah, don't eat it.

00:45:29.000 But...

00:45:30.000 You know, there's so many trendy diets that come out and it's like you have a group of people that has failed so many times that they're desperate to just tell me the right thing to do.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:43.000 Just sell me that.

00:45:44.000 Tell me gluten.

00:45:45.000 Tell me I'm allergic to gluten and I'll give it up and if that will do it, you know? 0.91

00:45:50.000 Well, you know what actually has low gluten but is fucking delicious is sourdough bread. 0.80

00:45:54.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:45:55.000 Which is crazy, which is kind of the best tasting bread.

00:45:57.000 I love it.

00:45:58.000 My buddy Tom Papa makes sourdough bread and whenever he comes over he brings me some.

00:46:03.000 Jesus, we make a deal.

00:46:05.000 I give him elk meat, he gives me sourdough bread. 1.00

00:46:07.000 His fucking sourdough bread is so goddamn good. 1.00

00:46:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:11.000 You put butter on it, just the sourdough bread and butter. 1.00

00:46:13.000 It's incredible.

00:46:15.000 Or I'll put Nutella on it if I really want to go off the rails.

00:46:19.000 It's so good.

00:46:20.000 It's so good.

00:46:21.000 But sourdough bread, something about the starter and something about the way, you know, there's the yeast in the bread or I don't know.

00:46:27.000 I think the gluten consumes itself and then it becomes molecularly something else before you bake it.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:33.000 When it's an actual fermented bread.

00:46:37.000 Right.

00:46:38.000 And it's more delicious, which is crazy.

00:46:40.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

00:46:41.000 It's so good.

00:46:42.000 Yeah.

00:46:42.000 And then we have Wonder Bread that has 31 ingredients.

00:46:45.000 And it's also good with bologna and American cheese, but it probably has a shitload more calories.

00:46:53.000 And what do you want from your body?

00:46:55.000 At the end of the day, what do you want from the food you're eating?

00:46:58.000 Is it just entertainment?

00:46:59.000 Because I like to be entertained by food.

00:47:02.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:47:03.000 I like to go to a place and see a fancy thing that's got all the fucking oil and shit on it. 0.99

00:47:08.000 I like that. 1.00

00:47:09.000 That's fun.

00:47:10.000 A peanut butter and jelly sandwich with Wonder Bread, not bad. 0.99

00:47:13.000 Fucking incredible, dude. 0.99

00:47:16.000 Incredible. 0.99

00:47:17.000 When I was a kid, we used to use Wonder Bread for fishing.

00:47:19.000 Yeah.

00:47:20.000 We used to catch carp with it.

00:47:22.000 Because you take Wonder Bread, we used to buy a loaf of Wonder Bread, and we would roll up the Wonder Bread, the little balls, and put it on a hook and toss it out and the carp would get it. 1.00

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:30.000 It was the best bait for carp.

00:47:32.000 I mean, it's either that or worm guts.

00:47:35.000 That's not the most discerning fish, I think, at that point.

00:47:39.000 Carps?

00:47:39.000 Yeah, carps is an odd fish.

00:47:42.000 They're really not supposed to be here.

00:47:44.000 It's not native to a lot of places around here.

00:47:48.000 Have you ever seen those people where they're driving boats and the carp fly out of the water and hit them in the head? 1.00

00:47:53.000 Yes.

00:47:54.000 It's Asian carp? 0.96

00:47:55.000 Yes.

00:47:55.000 It's like, for whatever reason, when boats come by, they want to fly through the air and slam into the people that are riding the boats.

00:48:03.000 It's incredible.

00:48:03.000 It's the weirdest thing, man.

00:48:04.000 People have been knocked out.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 Like, out cold.

00:48:06.000 Bam!

00:48:07.000 Get hit by a fish.

00:48:08.000 It's a wonder that those fish are still around, that they haven't just evolved...

00:48:11.000 Extinct.

00:48:12.000 There's so many of them.

00:48:14.000 That's the thing.

00:48:14.000 They're so prolific.

00:48:16.000 They're a real problem because they're one of the weirder invasive species.

00:48:19.000 Like, I don't know how they got over here, but there's some lakes and river systems that are just choked with these.

00:48:25.000 I think they're Asian carp. 1.00

00:48:27.000 I think that's what it is because there's that big red carp that I grew up. 0.99

00:48:32.000 I lived in Newton, Massachusetts, and I lived right across the street from the Charles River.

00:48:37.000 And the Charles River had this waterfall, like, down the street from my house. 0.99

00:48:42.000 And I remember being there one day, we went on this little- Holy shit. 0.99

00:48:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:48:47.000 You ever seen this?

00:48:48.000 I never saw it that crazy. 1.00

00:48:50.000 Bro, they're nuts. 1.00

00:48:50.000 That's like a mosh pit of car. 1.00

00:48:52.000 Yeah.

00:48:53.000 No one knows why they do it.

00:48:55.000 Or I don't know why they do it.

00:48:57.000 Maybe someone does.

00:48:58.000 But yeah, when you're driving by, they just go flying out of the water and hit people.

00:49:03.000 And sometimes they just do it here, like they're just doing it on their own.

00:49:06.000 And they land in the boats.

00:49:08.000 But I don't think they're necessarily good to eat.

00:49:11.000 Right. 0.99

00:49:11.000 But obviously, there's fucking way too many of them. 0.99

00:49:14.000 So people need to eat them. 0.98

00:49:16.000 Yeah, so I go to...

00:49:17.000 Are they edible?

00:49:19.000 Are Asian carp edible?

00:49:21.000 In this video, they are making them.

00:49:23.000 It says the highest population is in the Illinois River.

00:49:27.000 It doesn't say why.

00:49:28.000 I'm sure the video does.

00:49:30.000 But yeah, they're making like fish, all sorts of stuff with it.

00:49:33.000 What are they doing?

00:49:34.000 Jesus.

00:49:36.000 Oh, they make like cart balls.

00:49:39.000 Look at all the bones in it.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, so probably what they're doing is putting it with dough and like a crab cake type deal.

00:49:48.000 Yeah, I was going to say it was a crab cake, but I was like, wait, it's fish.

00:49:51.000 What is she saying?

00:49:52.000 She's going to lie.

00:49:52.000 Oh, delicious.

00:49:53.000 You're putting a bunch of other shit on it, right? 0.99

00:49:55.000 It's not like a piece of redfish. 0.99

00:49:57.000 You just have to grill with some salt and butter.

00:49:59.000 Right. 1.00

00:50:02.000 We have to add shit to our food. 1.00

00:50:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:04.000 When I got to this waterfall down the street from my house, it was just choked with carp. 0.99

00:50:09.000 Like 30, 40, 50 carp just on the surface of the water.

00:50:12.000 I'm like, this is nuts.

00:50:13.000 But it's really because they're not supposed to be there.

00:50:16.000 Like, there's supposed to be an ecosystem, right?

00:50:18.000 There's big fish, the big fish kill the medium fish, the medium fish.

00:50:21.000 You know, it's like there's a whole thing going on.

00:50:22.000 In this place, there was not that thing going on.

00:50:25.000 They were just carp. 1.00

00:50:25.000 And they're big, big fucking 30, 40 pound carp. 1.00

00:50:28.000 Like, some of them were this big, just floating around. 1.00

00:50:30.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:50:32.000 And then, you know, you realize like someone released them in. 0.99

00:50:36.000 And there's a, like in Lake Austin out here, there's a grass carp that I was just talking to a guy who's a fisherman who was telling me that it's a real problem on the lake because the grass carp have eaten all the grass.

00:50:48.000 So now the fish don't have cover.

00:50:49.000 Like the bass, they want to hide, like so they can jump out and snatch up the other fish, but there's no place to hide. 0.99

00:50:56.000 So now they're like, what the fuck? 0.98

00:50:57.000 So they're going to go. 0.99

00:50:58.000 And it'll be just grass carp at some point.

00:51:01.000 Maybe.

00:51:01.000 Could be.

00:51:02.000 But he said it's a real issue because the bottom of the lake has no vegetation anymore.

00:51:07.000 It's all been eaten by these carp.

00:51:08.000 And you see the carp occasionally.

00:51:10.000 Big fat suckers just belly up, floating in the river, and you're like, whoa.

00:51:16.000 I mean, listen, there's got to be a healthy way to use those carp. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Well, you know what?

00:51:21.000 Someone was just saying this, and it's a really good point, that invasive species, if you just found a way to make it profitable to go after those invasive species, that's the solution that they're trying to come up with with the python in Florida.

00:51:36.000 Because pythons are overrun in the Everglades.

00:51:39.000 They're so bad in the Everglades that they've killed most of the mammal species and they've started to eat alligators.

00:51:45.000 Jesus Christ, really? 0.97

00:51:47.000 Crazy.

00:51:48.000 There's a photo of this guy came upon, I think it was a 12-foot alligator being consumed by a python.

00:51:56.000 That's how big they are. 0.97

00:51:57.000 They killed all the deer, they've killed all the raccoons, all the rabbits, anything that's on the ground is fucked by these pythons. 0.98

00:52:05.000 But meanwhile, commercially, python skin is illegal in California, as if they're endangered. 0.95

00:52:13.000 They're not endangered at all! 0.96

00:52:15.000 California's so nuts!

00:52:16.000 So you couldn't ship python skin from Florida to California?

00:52:19.000 No, you cannot buy Python goods from somewhere else and bring them to California.

00:52:24.000 We're like, no, man.

00:52:25.000 We just didn't believe in that. 1.00

00:52:27.000 It's so dumb. 0.99

00:52:28.000 It's like they're not endangered, not even a little. 1.00

00:52:31.000 And the idea that this fucking sleazy reptile, this evil fuck that would swallow a baby in a heartbeat, that's what we're protecting? 1.00

00:52:40.000 But yet you can buy wool? 1.00

00:52:42.000 Right.

00:52:42.000 Lambs, you can just walk up to a Lampetta and they're sweet.

00:52:45.000 They're so nice.

00:52:46.000 If they did a python farm, you couldn't do that because they're endangered?

00:52:51.000 They're not endangered.

00:52:52.000 Right.

00:52:52.000 I mean, in California.

00:52:54.000 It's just exotic.

00:52:55.000 They call it exotic.

00:52:56.000 Right.

00:52:56.000 And then you can't get exotic.

00:52:58.000 They're trying to make, I believe they might have made it recently illegal to bring an alligator, which is more preposterous.

00:53:05.000 Because there's places in Louisiana and Florida that are infested with alligators.

00:53:10.000 So much so, have you ever watched that Swamp People show?

00:53:12.000 Yeah.

00:53:13.000 One of the guys on that show was talking about the tags, like the allocations of tags that means how many alligators you could kill per season.

00:53:21.000 He's a commercial alligator.

00:53:23.000 500! 0.73

00:53:24.000 They were giving him 500 alligators he could kill.

00:53:27.000 That means there's so many alligators!

00:53:29.000 That's insane.

00:53:30.000 When I was a kid, I lived in Florida for a little bit.

00:53:32.000 We lived in Gainesville, Florida, and it was right near Lake Alice.

00:53:35.000 And Lake Alice had alligators, but they were endangered at the time, because I guess people hunted them to the point where they had gotten down to very low numbers, and they were trying to save the alligators. 0.89

00:53:45.000 But they fucked up and saved them too much.

00:53:48.000 And now they're just overrun. 0.99

00:53:49.000 They just show up on golf courses.

00:53:51.000 They're walking through people's backyards.

00:53:53.000 All they got to do is eat one little kid.

00:53:56.000 But they don't.

00:53:57.000 That's not true.

00:53:57.000 They ate a little kid in Orlando.

00:53:59.000 Did they?

00:53:59.000 At Disney World.

00:54:01.000 They grabbed a little kid at the theme park? 1.00

00:54:03.000 A two-year-old baby came out of the fucking pond at Disney World and snatched up a baby. 1.00

00:54:08.000 Wow. 1.00

00:54:09.000 Bro.

00:54:10.000 That's crazy.

00:54:11.000 That's the thing.

00:54:11.000 You can't keep them out of lakes.

00:54:13.000 There's so many of them.

00:54:14.000 They slither in the middle of the night.

00:54:16.000 You don't even know they're there.

00:54:18.000 They'll walk a few hundred yards.

00:54:19.000 You didn't know they were in the woods.

00:54:21.000 And then they walk a few hundred yards.

00:54:23.000 They slide into the lake.

00:54:24.000 And they feel like little feet walking by the water.

00:54:27.000 And they just jumped out and snatched up this baby. 0.98

00:54:30.000 Can they make the jump to saltwater like crocodiles or no?

00:54:33.000 I don't know.

00:54:34.000 That's a good question.

00:54:35.000 I mean, if they started to mess with the beaches, that might get them shut down.

00:54:41.000 I don't know.

00:54:42.000 People are weird.

00:54:43.000 When we decide that something needs to be protected, we're like, we have to protect it, man.

00:54:48.000 We have to protect it forever and ever and ever.

00:54:51.000 We never let it go.

00:54:53.000 They're dealing with that with wolves in some places.

00:54:56.000 They reintroduced wolves into Yellowstone in the 1990s, and they spread through Idaho and all these different areas.

00:55:02.000 They've gotten to the point now where, I think it was in Idaho, they just decided that they have to kill all the wolves except for a small number of them.

00:55:11.000 They have to get them down to a few hundred wolves. 0.99

00:55:14.000 Because there's so many fucking wolves, they're decimating the elk populations and they're encroaching into people's ranches and killing steers. 0.98

00:55:22.000 But they were endangered at some point. 0.99

00:55:25.000 Yeah, well, they poisoned them to the point where, at the turn of the century, they were virtually extinct.

00:55:32.000 And then they had to go to Canada and bring wolves from Canada and then repopulate Yellowstone.

00:55:37.000 But isn't there a point where they can say, scientifically, we have determined that they are no longer virtually extinct, and scientifically, that means some are on limits to hunt?

00:55:47.000 Oh, Ethan, you're talking logically.

00:55:50.000 This does not exist.

00:55:51.000 You can't do that.

00:55:51.000 With my friend Steve Rinella, what he calls, what is it called?

00:55:56.000 Charismatic megafauna.

00:55:57.000 And that's what wolves are.

00:55:58.000 They're charismatic.

00:55:59.000 There's something about wolves.

00:56:00.000 Oh, they're cute.

00:56:01.000 They're cuddly.

00:56:02.000 Well, they're majestic, man.

00:56:03.000 I mean, I don't want wolves to go away. 0.99

00:56:05.000 Wolves are fucking amazing. 0.98

00:56:06.000 I've only seen one once in the wild, and it was in Canada. 0.99

00:56:10.000 It was real blurry.

00:56:11.000 At dusk, I saw this dog-like thing run across the road. 0.97

00:56:15.000 I'm like, oh shit, that's a wolf. 0.98

00:56:17.000 And they have a lot of them up there. 1.00

00:56:19.000 I can't think of a single animal I want to go away, but when an animal, like pigs in this state, there's a lot of pigs, and people have a lot of feelings about the way the pigs are hunted, but there's a lot of fucking pigs. 0.99

00:56:32.000 They don't have any feelings about the way the pigs are hunted in Texas. 0.99

00:56:34.000 The Texans don't. 1.00

00:56:35.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:56:37.000 California feels a lot of ways about the way pigs are acting in Texas. 1.00

00:56:40.000 They're like, no. 0.98

00:56:41.000 Save them with the pythons and put them all in a happy family.

00:56:44.000 Right.

00:56:44.000 They're one generation away from being Wilbur.

00:56:46.000 Just domesticate all the pigs. 0.99

00:56:48.000 You know, that is the truth. 0.99

00:56:49.000 That's what's weird about them.

00:56:50.000 Yeah.

00:56:51.000 What's weird about pigs is that if you took a regular pig, like a domestic pig, and you let it loose, within, I think, five or six weeks, they start to transform.

00:57:02.000 Into those boars with the hair and the tusks.

00:57:05.000 That's what's crazy is that they're the same animal.

00:57:07.000 It's all one genus.

00:57:10.000 It's called Suscroffa.

00:57:11.000 And all of them are the same.

00:57:13.000 Domestic pigs are just wild pigs that have been domesticated.

00:57:17.000 Like, if you take a domestic pig, they look all pink and white, and you let them go, their snout elongates, their tusks lengthen, and it happens quick.

00:57:25.000 Right.

00:57:25.000 Like, do you ever heard of Hogzilla?

00:57:27.000 Yes.

00:57:28.000 The gigantic one.

00:57:29.000 Yes.

00:57:30.000 Hogzilla is...

00:57:32.000 There's a lot of thoughts on Hogzilla.

00:57:34.000 It's a super controversial animal because a lot of people think it's a perspective trick.

00:57:39.000 But there are thousand pound pigs out there. 1.00

00:57:42.000 There's definitely thousand pound domestic pigs, I believe.

00:57:45.000 Let's find out.

00:57:46.000 What's the largest domestic pig ever recorded? 0.95

00:57:48.000 I'm going to guess it's over a thousand pounds.

00:57:50.000 What do you think?

00:57:51.000 1,200?

00:57:52.000 Yeah, that sounds about right.

00:57:55.000 What are you guessing, Jamie? 1.00

00:57:58.000 Ah, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:58:00.000 You're going crazy. 1.00

00:58:01.000 Look at you. 1.00

00:58:02.000 You're reckless.

00:58:02.000 We weren't way too big for him.

00:58:04.000 He got reckless. 1.00

00:58:06.000 Knocking over mic stands and shit? 0.99

00:58:07.000 I just got a chance to see the number, though, so I have a number in my head that's... 0.99

00:58:10.000 What was the number in your head?

00:58:12.000 I don't know.

00:58:12.000 I didn't have one yet.

00:58:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:14.000 You didn't ask me yet.

00:58:15.000 I wasn't thinking.

00:58:15.000 What's the real number?

00:58:17.000 It said over 1,000, but this Wikipedia says weight was 794. I don't understand.

00:58:24.000 It says Hogzilla weighed over a thousand pounds.

00:58:26.000 But Wikipedia says the largest domestic pig is 794 pounds?

00:58:30.000 Hogzilla was feral, right?

00:58:32.000 Yeah.

00:58:32.000 See, what they think though is that Hogzilla was one of those domestic pigs that broke so it fattened up and then broke through fencing and then went out and started the transformation.

00:58:44.000 So once pigs fend for themselves, It's so weird.

00:58:47.000 Like, a switch goes off in their brain and their fur gets thicker and denser.

00:58:52.000 Like, they change.

00:58:53.000 The same exact animal changes.

00:58:56.000 And it's really quickly.

00:58:58.000 All right.

00:58:58.000 What were the guesses?

00:58:59.000 I said 1,000.

00:59:00.000 He said 1,200.

00:59:01.000 I'm way off, apparently.

00:59:02.000 Big Bill...

00:59:04.000 From Jackson, Tennessee in 1933. It was a Poland China breed of hog that tipped the scales at 2,552 pounds.

00:59:14.000 What?

00:59:14.000 You have a picture of Big Bill?

00:59:15.000 I was going to look. 1.00

00:59:16.000 That's a big fucking pig. 1.00

00:59:17.000 That's a big fucking pig. 1.00

00:59:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Let me see.

00:59:23.000 Big Bill. 1.00

00:59:25.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:59:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:59:28.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:59:29.000 That thing just must have no life. 0.87

00:59:32.000 Just constant food.

00:59:34.000 That was 1908?

00:59:36.000 1933, I think.

00:59:38.000 Oh, 1933. And so if a pig that size gets out, has access to food, it's gonna go feral. 1.00

00:59:45.000 Yeah, and that's what, again, this is my friend Stephen Rinello, who's a legitimate wildlife expert.

00:59:49.000 Pull up Hogzilla.

00:59:51.000 Pull up a photo of Hogzilla.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, so there's Hogzilla.

00:59:55.000 See that photo right there?

00:59:58.000 Yeah, that's a good one, but the one hanging from the legs, like right there, yeah.

01:00:02.000 See, that's a bit of a perspective trick, because I think the pig is severed.

01:00:08.000 It's like if you catch a big bass, you do this.

01:00:11.000 You hold it in front of you with your arms extended, and it makes it look bigger. 0.99

01:00:16.000 But even this pig going into the dumpster, that's a big pig. 1.00

01:00:19.000 That's a fucking legit giant pig, man. 1.00

01:00:20.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:00:22.000 That's a legit giant pig. 1.00

01:00:23.000 Look how little his feet are. 0.98

01:00:25.000 Imagine that was a man.

01:00:27.000 That's in Hong Kong, too.

01:00:29.000 Little girl feet and giant body. 0.85

01:00:31.000 Look at the size of his feet.

01:00:33.000 That's so weird.

01:00:35.000 Hogzilla, though.

01:00:36.000 Go to that photo again of the...

01:00:39.000 Whoa. 1.00

01:00:39.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:00:42.000 Alabama. 1.00

01:00:42.000 That's in someone's yard. 1.00

01:00:43.000 Look at the size of that thing.

01:00:44.000 That looks like one of those giant cows. 1.00

01:00:47.000 Look at his balls. 1.00

01:00:49.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

01:00:51.000 Tom thinks he comes a lot. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Imagine what that pig does. 1.00

01:00:56.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:00:58.000 I can't believe how big that thing is, that guy's yard.

01:01:01.000 That's hard to tell.

01:01:02.000 That might be little.

01:01:02.000 That's a sow, too.

01:01:04.000 But the other one was enormous.

01:01:06.000 It looks like the same...

01:01:07.000 No, it's different.

01:01:09.000 It's definitely different.

01:01:10.000 You see how the head is bigger?

01:01:12.000 Yeah, that's a male. 1.00

01:01:13.000 But the balls, the balls on that thing wandering through someone's yard. 0.99

01:01:17.000 But that photo that's covered in mud, that one in the middle, yeah, where it's hanging. 0.97

01:01:21.000 See, that's the super controversial Hogzilla photo.

01:01:25.000 Because he could be standing a few feet back and then the thing just looks gigantic.

01:01:28.000 That could be a 500 pound pig, which my friend shot a 300 pound pig real recently.

01:01:34.000 They're real.

01:01:36.000 And there's a lot of them.

01:01:39.000 I'm going to show you something.

01:01:40.000 My friend John Hennessy, he sent me this just yesterday.

01:01:46.000 There's a place where they hunt them at night.

01:01:50.000 Look at this.

01:01:52.000 Look how many of them there are.

01:01:53.000 Oh my god.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, this is outside of Houston.

01:01:55.000 And those are about 300 pounds?

01:01:57.000 Or the one he got was much bigger than that?

01:01:59.000 No, this is a different friend.

01:02:02.000 I'm going to send you this, Jamie.

01:02:04.000 I just airdropped it to you.

01:02:07.000 It's just the sheer amount of them in that photo, and that's just one photo, one random photo from a trail camera that shows how many pigs are just wandering through this field. 0.98

01:02:20.000 They're really hard to get close to in the day because they're very smart, but their eyesight sucks.

01:02:25.000 So what they do is they set up at night with night vision and just like they look for these weird glowing bodies and they take them out. 0.98

01:02:34.000 That one in front looks pretty fucking big.

01:02:35.000 But look, it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.

01:02:40.000 That's just in the view. 0.99

01:02:42.000 But they set these poor pigs up. 0.99

01:02:43.000 Are those feeders out there?

01:02:45.000 Are those feeders for pigs? 0.95

01:02:47.000 I don't know.

01:02:48.000 They might be for pigs, but they might be for deer as well.

01:02:52.000 Texas is a—see another—there's like a tree stand back there or a feeder in the background.

01:02:57.000 It's hard to tell what it is.

01:02:58.000 I don't think you can do any of that in California.

01:02:59.000 No!

01:03:00.000 It's illegal.

01:03:01.000 Texas is a weird place when it comes to hunting because there's—I'm using air quotes—hunting ranches that are like 200 acres.

01:03:09.000 So basically you're shooting your pets.

01:03:11.000 I do.

01:03:12.000 You've got like these animals that are corralled in this – I mean it's harvesting meat and it's probably in some way more ethical than farming.

01:03:23.000 It's a hard sell.

01:03:25.000 It's a hard sell.

01:03:26.000 Yeah.

01:03:26.000 It doesn't seem like quite what I imagine when I think of hunting.

01:03:30.000 No.

01:03:30.000 I like to go where they live.

01:03:32.000 Yeah.

01:03:33.000 I mean, but those things live there.

01:03:36.000 Well, those things are different.

01:03:37.000 They don't look at wild pigs as like a game animal.

01:03:41.000 They're a nuisance animal. 0.98

01:03:43.000 But they're delicious, which is crazy.

01:03:45.000 They really are like some of the best meat.

01:03:47.000 Like wild pigs, if you cook like pulled pork from wild boar, it is damn delicious.

01:03:55.000 And if you have a really good chef that knows how to cook wild game well and they can put one on a Traeger, oh my god, it's so good.

01:04:04.000 Fantastic.

01:04:05.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 I mean, we get into, again, what the values are.

01:04:10.000 California has a whole different set of values. 0.86

01:04:13.000 But I also don't think we have a pig problem like that. 0.99

01:04:15.000 They do. 0.82

01:04:16.000 Do they? 0.65

01:04:16.000 Yeah, they have wild pigs that have invaded San Diego, excuse me, San Jose. 0.65

01:04:20.000 Really? 0.98

01:04:21.000 Yeah, they're in people's lawns in San Jose fucking them up and they're trying to figure out what to do about it because they're encroaching on the tech community. 0.98

01:04:30.000 California, you have to humanely capture the pig and then drive it out into the middle of nowhere and release it, I believe. 1.00

01:04:37.000 You can kill them. 1.00

01:04:38.000 You can kill as many as you want, actually. 1.00

01:04:39.000 Oh, really? 1.00

01:04:39.000 Yes. 1.00

01:04:40.000 But you have to have a tag for them.

01:04:42.000 The difference between California and everywhere else is, like in Texas, you don't even have to have a tag.

01:04:47.000 If you have a hunting license, you can go out and you can shoot 30, 40 pigs out of a helicopter.

01:04:52.000 Legitimately.

01:04:53.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:04:54.000 I have.

01:04:55.000 That's how they do it in a lot of places because it's literally the only way to get close enough to them.

01:05:00.000 So they circle around in helicopters and they gun them down with machine guns.

01:05:03.000 It's bananas. 0.99

01:05:05.000 In California, obviously you can't do that, but you can kill like 30 pigs in a day, but you have to have a tag for all these pigs.

01:05:14.000 And if they're in San Jose, you can't hunt in...

01:05:18.000 Exactly.

01:05:19.000 You gotta find them somewhere else.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, in a place like San Jose in an urban environment, I'm pretty sure you have to capture them.

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 See if you can find wild pigs invade San Jose.

01:05:28.000 There was a news article that showed video...

01:05:30.000 I'm trying to find something newer than October, so let's...

01:05:33.000 I have a bunch of stories from October, which was like six months ago.

01:05:36.000 That's all right.

01:05:37.000 It doesn't matter.

01:05:37.000 You don't have to get newer.

01:05:38.000 Just show me some video because it's pretty crazy. 1.00

01:05:41.000 This guy's sitting in his house and he's watching these big ass fucking pigs just chew his lawn apart. 1.00

01:05:45.000 Just in a city. 1.00

01:05:46.000 In a city.

01:05:46.000 In a city house.

01:05:47.000 Yeah, like a suburban house.

01:05:48.000 Nice suburban house.

01:05:49.000 Wow.

01:05:50.000 Nice lawn. 1.00

01:05:51.000 Getting fucked up by pigs. 1.00

01:05:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:53.000 That's crazy.

01:05:54.000 Well, a lot of them were brought over there.

01:05:57.000 But did we dispute this?

01:05:58.000 William Randolph Hearst was responsible for a lot of them. 0.98

01:06:02.000 At the castle, he wanted pigs. 0.99

01:06:04.000 He wanted pigs.

01:06:05.000 He wanted a lot of other animals.

01:06:06.000 It's like, yeah, this is a city to allow archery to hunt wild pigs.

01:06:09.000 It said they weren't going to.

01:06:11.000 That's how you get around the gun.

01:06:13.000 Oh, they weren't going to?

01:06:13.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:06:14.000 This is October 7th.

01:06:15.000 It was October 23rd.

01:06:16.000 It said they weren't. 0.83

01:06:17.000 I was trying to figure out if it said there were 24 pigs.

01:06:20.000 It was running around, so it doesn't sound like they could have caught all 24 pigs. 0.99

01:06:22.000 The problem with archery in the neighborhood is people suck. 0.98

01:06:27.000 You know, archery is hard to learn. 1.00

01:06:29.000 I don't want some guy who just picked up a fucking bow and he starts launching arrows into other people's yards and, you know, hits someone's window, hits a kid. 0.99

01:06:40.000 People are... 0.99

01:06:41.000 I mean, it all seems like a bad idea in a neighborhood.

01:06:44.000 Yeah, you know, archery is tricky.

01:06:48.000 So some guys are trying to make it...

01:06:50.000 Often they have large teeth and are not afraid of people.

01:06:57.000 It's, yeah, hunting in a neighborhood is, any kind of archery hunting, like, telling someone they should archery hunt is like telling someone they should jiu-jitsu fight.

01:07:06.000 Right.

01:07:07.000 You know what I mean? 0.62

01:07:07.000 Oh, okay, just go in there, jiu-jitsu, yeah, just go choke people. 0.62

01:07:11.000 Yeah.

01:07:11.000 There's a lot of work involved, man.

01:07:13.000 You want to learn how to archery hunt?

01:07:16.000 Pigs? 0.97

01:07:16.000 Pigs are smart. 0.97

01:07:17.000 It's a very specific skill that you have to spend a lot of time working on.

01:07:22.000 A lot of time. 1.00

01:07:23.000 And how are you going to get close enough to shoot that pig? 0.99

01:07:25.000 Because if you're not really good with a bow, you're going to have to figure out How to get 20 yards from it. 0.99

01:07:32.000 Right.

01:07:32.000 They're going to run away.

01:07:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:34.000 You're not going to get 20 yards from a pig. 0.77

01:07:36.000 That's close, man. 0.94

01:07:38.000 20 yards is 20 steps.

01:07:40.000 Right.

01:07:41.000 Legitimately.

01:07:42.000 I don't think that's going to work.

01:07:46.000 I can't picture myself getting maybe slightly closer to a chipmunk or a squirrel or something.

01:07:52.000 Maybe.

01:07:53.000 Maybe if they're near the tree.

01:07:54.000 Right.

01:07:55.000 And they're super used to you being there.

01:07:57.000 Yeah.

01:07:57.000 My dog got a possum the other day.

01:08:00.000 And I think he thought he killed the possum.

01:08:02.000 It's kind of hilarious, because possums play possum.

01:08:04.000 My dog is a golden retriever.

01:08:06.000 He's not a vicious dog, but he got this possum, and now he has the craziest bloodlust. 0.64

01:08:12.000 It's so nuts.

01:08:13.000 All he wants to do is go out and find animals.

01:08:16.000 He's got this video game he's playing.

01:08:18.000 It's like he's an addict.

01:08:19.000 He just runs up to trees and he's looking for squirrels.

01:08:22.000 Where's my friend the possum?

01:08:24.000 The possum lived.

01:08:26.000 He didn't even make it bleed.

01:08:28.000 He just kind of attacked the possum, bit it, and then let it go, and it just laid there.

01:08:33.000 It's like this.

01:08:34.000 Possums, I don't understand what they're doing.

01:08:37.000 I don't know what kind of weird evolutionary benefit there would be in pretending to be dead.

01:08:42.000 Maybe it's something like with your dog, didn't want to eat it. 0.91

01:08:45.000 He just wanted the thrill of killing it.

01:08:48.000 He definitely was trying to capture it. 0.98

01:08:50.000 I don't even think he necessarily wants to kill it.

01:08:53.000 I think what he really wants to do is bring it back to you.

01:08:55.000 His whole thing is, he's a retriever, his whole thing is bringing things back.

01:08:59.000 Yeah, you know, but when we found this he wasn't coming like I was go Marshall.

01:09:04.000 Come on, buddy.

01:09:04.000 Come on.

01:09:05.000 What's up, buddy?

01:09:06.000 And he wasn't coming.

01:09:07.000 I go Marshall.

01:09:07.000 Come on.

01:09:08.000 I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:09:10.000 And then we found out he had a possum and then we go to the possum of the possum's lineup. 0.99

01:09:15.000 First of all, possums have giant teeth.

01:09:17.000 Have you ever been up to one up close? 0.99

01:09:19.000 They look like predators, but they're not they like berries and nuts and shit. 0.98

01:09:23.000 What are the teeth for? 0.99

01:09:24.000 I don't know, man, but they're giant.

01:09:26.000 Which is crazy, right?

01:09:27.000 You think they're going to defend themselves.

01:09:28.000 Yeah.

01:09:29.000 But they don't even defend themselves.

01:09:30.000 They're just like...

01:09:30.000 They freeze up.

01:09:33.000 It's the craziest animal.

01:09:35.000 And then Marshall wanted nothing to do with it after that.

01:09:37.000 Well, he did, but I could get him away.

01:09:39.000 He's a great dog.

01:09:40.000 He listens. 0.99

01:09:40.000 I'm like, come on, man, get the fuck away from that, because I didn't want to catch a disease or whatever. 0.99

01:09:44.000 And I was like, this thing's alive. 0.97

01:09:47.000 And so we just threw the thing over the fence, and it was alive.

01:09:52.000 And then eventually it got up and walked away.

01:09:54.000 That's wild.

01:09:56.000 But what benefit does evolution...

01:09:59.000 I mean, what evolutionary benefit is there to just pretend you're dead?

01:10:04.000 No, I mean, if most things are going to eat you, most things that capture you like that are going to eat you, there seems to be no benefit.

01:10:10.000 Google that.

01:10:11.000 Why do possums...

01:10:12.000 I've already...

01:10:13.000 I'm there.

01:10:14.000 Past it.

01:10:15.000 Do they know?

01:10:16.000 Is there a reason?

01:10:17.000 Because a lot of animals will not go after an already dead animal.

01:10:24.000 Like that possum right there is alive.

01:10:26.000 Yes!

01:10:27.000 Dude, that's what it looked like.

01:10:28.000 It looked exactly like that.

01:10:30.000 Okay, many animals are turned off by dead prey, an evolutionary tactic that keeps carnivores from consuming diseased food.

01:10:38.000 Most predators will give up on prey that plays possum.

01:10:41.000 Huh.

01:10:43.000 Yep, they go completely catatonic it says.

01:10:46.000 Wow.

01:10:47.000 It can take the marsupial anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours to become mobile again.

01:10:51.000 While they can survive these types of encounters, they can still be injured.

01:10:53.000 Scientists have found many possums in the wild wandering around with healed wounds and fractures likely from being attacked.

01:11:00.000 So playing possum isn't an act.

01:11:02.000 It's an involuntary reaction to threat.

01:11:05.000 Wow.

01:11:08.000 It's in tonic immobility or thanatosis.

01:11:13.000 And its body enters a catatonic state in response to fear. 1.00

01:11:16.000 So they just freeze up like a bitch. 1.00

01:11:19.000 In addition to seemingly feigning death, possums have other remarkable traits. 1.00

01:11:24.000 They have prehensile tails to climb tree branches.

01:11:31.000 They're immune to pit viper venom.

01:11:34.000 Females give birth to up to 18 babies at once, just 12 to 14 days after conception. 1.00

01:11:40.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:11:41.000 That's insane. 1.00

01:11:42.000 What a freaky animal.

01:11:44.000 It worked.

01:11:45.000 They're still here.

01:11:46.000 Yeah, exactly, right? 1.00

01:11:48.000 They also look scary as fuck. 1.00

01:11:50.000 Like, that thing looks like a giant rat. 1.00

01:11:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:52.000 I'm telling you, giant ass teeth. 1.00

01:11:54.000 This thing had giant teeth. 0.99

01:11:55.000 And it was just like lying there like this, like, ah.

01:11:58.000 These giant teeth.

01:11:59.000 And my dog is now obsessed with finding another one.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 Like in the middle of the night last night, what does it say here?

01:12:06.000 Here's a fun fact.

01:12:07.000 A possum means white dog in the Native American Algonquin language.

01:12:14.000 Huh.

01:12:17.000 White dog.

01:12:17.000 Well, they kind of look like a dog.

01:12:19.000 They kind of do a little bit, like a little weird...

01:12:22.000 Coyote-looking thing.

01:12:24.000 But yeah, now he's just completely obsessed with finding animals outside.

01:12:29.000 It's like it sparked some weird thing.

01:12:32.000 He's like, I didn't even know how much fun this is!

01:12:35.000 So that's like his favorite thing to do, other than chase a ball and go swimming.

01:12:40.000 We need to find that as a culture.

01:12:45.000 And I say need because I needed to find that.

01:12:48.000 So that kind of urge to exist outside or just outside of my house, just doing something with my body.

01:12:55.000 This is an important thing.

01:12:57.000 It was very important to me.

01:12:59.000 I wouldn't recommend it for weight loss.

01:13:01.000 I think they're two completely separate things.

01:13:03.000 Right.

01:13:03.000 It's a primal switch that gets activated with just feeling your body move and feeling satisfaction in physical activity, right?

01:13:13.000 Yeah.

01:13:14.000 Yeah.

01:13:15.000 And I say all that, and I'm like, if the dude who's a professional video game player loves to eat pizza and is perfectly happy, good for him.

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:26.000 Good for him. 0.99

01:13:27.000 I was talking shit on professional video games once. 0.99

01:13:29.000 Oh boy, did they get upset. 0.99

01:13:31.000 But this is coming from someone who used to play a lot of video games.

01:13:35.000 I have addictive tendencies towards games.

01:13:38.000 Me too.

01:13:39.000 Serious addictive tendencies where I can't play video games.

01:13:44.000 But the thing is, if you could play golf for a living, Why is golf better than a video game?

01:13:51.000 Because those video game guys make a shitload of money. 0.94

01:13:54.000 They do now.

01:13:55.000 A shitload.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, and I think it's going to improve.

01:13:58.000 I think the shitload now is going to be more in a few years.

01:14:04.000 I think as these things get more and more immersive and then more and more people get involved and also in a lot of places people go to watch them play.

01:14:12.000 Well, I mean, you see whole stadiums filled up, but there are a ton of people that make money at home Playing video games and people are tuning in to watch.

01:14:20.000 I don't understand any of this at all, but this is a real thing that our kids are growing up with.

01:14:26.000 I think for them, it's exciting.

01:14:28.000 Was it StarCraft in Korea where they have those giant stadiums full of people?

01:14:34.000 Starcraft.

01:14:34.000 For video games.

01:14:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:35.000 Have you ever seen it?

01:14:36.000 No.

01:14:37.000 You need to watch this.

01:14:38.000 I saw there was one.

01:14:39.000 A friend of mine's son was at one where a guy, I think his name is Ninja, won something.

01:14:45.000 And this was big in America.

01:14:46.000 But I didn't know they had specific stadiums for video games.

01:14:50.000 This is wild.

01:14:50.000 Yeah, there's...

01:14:51.000 Starcraft is a particularly demanding strategy game that I've never played.

01:14:57.000 I don't really understand, but it's a top-down game and you're looking down on this world and you're moving these players around and doing all kinds of shit and you're doing many things simultaneously.

01:15:08.000 You're like playing war with these video game characters.

01:15:12.000 And you'll see enormous stadiums, like 15,000 people filled with cheering fans and giant screens watching this game play out.

01:15:23.000 They're on the new games now, apparently. 0.99

01:15:25.000 This is not the current hot shit, if you will. 0.98

01:15:28.000 Starcraft 2? 0.99

01:15:29.000 Yeah.

01:15:30.000 That clip we saw of a video game was one guy controlling all those guys?

01:15:34.000 Yeah, that's what's nuts, man.

01:15:35.000 You move things around, you got a bunch of things happening.

01:15:39.000 But look at the size of the crowd, man.

01:15:41.000 Wow.

01:15:41.000 This guy's a star.

01:15:42.000 He's walking through high-fiving people.

01:15:44.000 Yes!

01:15:45.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:15:46.000 Look at that fucking crowd for a video game. 0.99

01:15:50.000 It's not quite the Saitamo Super Arena. 1.00

01:15:54.000 Not quite, but it's up there.

01:15:56.000 It's on its way.

01:15:57.000 Yeah, it's up there.

01:15:58.000 But I mean, you know, 15 years ago, this did not exist.

01:16:02.000 Right.

01:16:02.000 And now they're filling up arenas.

01:16:04.000 Like, 15 years from now, who fucking knows?

01:16:06.000 And you've got to imagine that the games these guys are able to develop now, in comparison to the games that will exist 15 years from now, they'll be even more immersive.

01:16:16.000 They'll either be...

01:16:17.000 Augmented reality or some form of virtual reality or some more insanely aggressively addictive version of these video games because they're so addictive.

01:16:30.000 I was given, sometimes they give you presents.

01:16:32.000 You're gonna start a movie and they give you gifts, which is a bizarre thing to happen, but I was given an Xbox.

01:16:37.000 I was starting a movie, given an Xbox 15 or more years ago.

01:16:41.000 And I brought it home and my wife said, oh, that doesn't come in this house. 1.00

01:16:45.000 You can keep that in your trailer.

01:16:46.000 And then when you're done, you're done with it.

01:16:49.000 So I took it to my trailer.

01:16:50.000 And one day after work, I started playing a game that I was playing sporadically.

01:16:55.000 And the next thing I knew, they were knocking on my trailer like, oh, you're here.

01:16:59.000 Good.

01:16:59.000 We're ready for you in hair and makeup.

01:17:01.000 I sat in my trailer all night.

01:17:03.000 Playing a video game.

01:17:04.000 You didn't realize it?

01:17:05.000 I mean, I knew it was late, but I wasn't...

01:17:08.000 No, I didn't realize that I was there for 10 hours.

01:17:10.000 So you never went to sleep?

01:17:11.000 No.

01:17:12.000 Oh my god.

01:17:13.000 And that was kind of when I knew video games were not for me.

01:17:17.000 It was a bad, dark road. 0.99

01:17:20.000 They're fucking crazy addictive, man. 0.99

01:17:22.000 And we've only begun to scratch the surface. 0.99

01:17:24.000 At my old studio, I had a virtual reality...

01:17:28.000 Two virtual reality setups.

01:17:29.000 I had an HTC Vive, and I had an Oculus.

01:17:33.000 And my kids would run to them when they came to the studio.

01:17:36.000 They would just run to the Oculus and put it on and start playing games.

01:17:39.000 They couldn't wait.

01:17:41.000 And I've had some people say that video games are like, I had a conversation.

01:17:45.000 You know Naval Ravikant?

01:17:47.000 You know who he is?

01:17:48.000 Fascinating guy, big tech guy, really brilliant person.

01:17:51.000 But he doesn't buy it.

01:17:53.000 He's like, nobody plays augmented or virtual reality.

01:17:56.000 He doesn't think it's really going to catch on.

01:17:59.000 I'm like, you need to see my kids. 1.00

01:18:00.000 They go bonkers for this shit. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Because you can box in it. 1.00

01:18:05.000 The boxing thing is a legitimate workout, man.

01:18:08.000 You do become inside of the universe.

01:18:11.000 And you're boxing like some guy.

01:18:14.000 You're in a ring, and you look at him across the ring staring at you, and he's moving towards you.

01:18:19.000 And when he hits you, you see a flash of blinding light.

01:18:23.000 It's like, whoa!

01:18:24.000 Yeah, and it's a workout, man.

01:18:26.000 You get a good workout.

01:18:27.000 I have a kid who believes very heavily in the simulation.

01:18:31.000 And she's also a nihilist, though. 1.00

01:18:34.000 She's 16, so it's a weird time for her.

01:18:37.000 What happened?

01:18:37.000 Sometimes she says she's an absurdist, and sometimes it's a nihilist, which I am happy that there's at least a distinction.

01:18:41.000 That just means she's very smart.

01:18:43.000 She's trying on these different schools of thought.

01:18:45.000 Yes, and she will go into simulation theory, and I'm just like, if it's true, who cares?

01:18:52.000 We're here.

01:18:53.000 This is whatever.

01:18:55.000 Reality is what it is.

01:18:57.000 If it's fake, simulated reality, this is what we got.

01:19:01.000 That's one way of looking at it.

01:19:06.000 I had a conversation with Nick Ballstrom once, and he's a guy who believes in the simulation.

01:19:11.000 What does he do?

01:19:13.000 That we're in the simulation?

01:19:15.000 Or that it's gonna happen?

01:19:16.000 No, that we're in it.

01:19:17.000 Okay.

01:19:18.000 He was talking about probability theory. 0.98

01:19:20.000 And it was one of those conversations where I was like, ooh, I'm too dumb for this one. 0.95

01:19:24.000 Which happens quite a bit.

01:19:26.000 But with him, he was explaining how, because of probability theory, because we know that We know virtual reality exists.

01:19:36.000 We know that technology is ever evolving and that there's always constant innovation and then there's a real thirst for it.

01:19:45.000 We also know that wherever we are right now, if we can stay alive, whatever our technology is today will pale in comparison to the technology from a thousand years ago.

01:19:54.000 Then we know that there are literally hundreds of millions of stars in this galaxy.

01:20:00.000 Hundreds of billions.

01:20:02.000 Hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe each one of those Has who knows how many fucking stars each one of those has who knows how many planets So that means in some of these they've gone far past us if there is intelligent life out there in the universe Which they suppose there is right Someone has figured out how to make something that's indiscernible from this.

01:20:27.000 So if this is reality, if what you and I and Jamie and everybody else listening exist in is a real tangible reality that you can touch and feel and you can weigh and measure...

01:20:38.000 But that one day, we'll get to a place where there'll be an artificial reality that will be as amazing and as tactile as this, and you won't be able to tell the difference.

01:20:50.000 Nick Ballstrom's argument was, because of those facts, it's more likely that it's already existed, and that we're in it right now.

01:20:59.000 I mean, again, that's a heavy thought to run through, and I think that's exactly what my kid was trying to tell me, and that's fine, but I don't know what I'd do with it.

01:21:10.000 It's just—Elon believes in it, too, by the way.

01:21:13.000 He believes we're in it.

01:21:15.000 Yeah, he believes in the simulation.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 I believe it's—I mean, I don't know.

01:21:19.000 I just don't know what, like— If all of this is computer generated or artificially generated, then what do we do?

01:21:30.000 We keep doing what we're doing.

01:21:32.000 Maybe it's the wrong question.

01:21:33.000 Because we know for sure that at the lowest measurable or understandable level of reality, When you get to the quantum level, it's basically magic.

01:21:47.000 When I talked to Brian Green and he was trying to explain it to me, and again, too dumb for that conversation, I just did my best.

01:21:54.000 But you get to these super states where things are moving and they're also still...

01:22:00.000 And they're existing two things.

01:22:01.000 One thing is existing in two places at once.

01:22:04.000 And then spooky action at a distance where somehow or another a particle in a long, far away place, far, far away place, Has an interaction with a particle that's here.

01:22:17.000 And vice versa.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, they're entangled.

01:22:20.000 Yeah.

01:22:20.000 How?

01:22:20.000 Who knows?

01:22:21.000 They don't know.

01:22:22.000 But they can kind of show it with mathematics.

01:22:24.000 Right.

01:22:24.000 They can kind of show it with these calculations.

01:22:27.000 And CERN is doing some weird shit, too. 0.98

01:22:29.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97

01:22:30.000 Where they're looking at this kind of stuff.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 You were talking before about how you had a guy coming who's dead set on belief in aliens.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 Christopher Mellon. 0.99

01:22:41.000 All the shit that the Pentagon's releasing and all of that. 0.99

01:22:44.000 I talked to a guy – because I'm hyper-focused right now on diet and stuff like that. 0.99

01:22:50.000 But I remember reading Carl Sagan and him talking about how he thought that our first brush with extraterrestrials would be microorganisms.

01:23:01.000 And I was talking to a guy who is a professor at UCLA, Emron Meyer or Mayer.

01:23:08.000 And he was talking about our gut biome, how – There's more bacteria, individual organisms in our gut than there are stars in the galaxy.

01:23:21.000 Really?

01:23:22.000 Something astronomical like that, yes.

01:23:25.000 And he said that these things act in an intelligent way and communicate with our brain in an intelligent way.

01:23:34.000 And that there's some kind of symbiosis there. 0.99

01:23:37.000 And that to me sounds like fucking aliens living in us already. 0.99

01:23:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:23:42.000 Yeah, for sure, right?

01:23:43.000 We're an ecosystem.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, and if something external that had no idea what we were were to perceive us in terms of living organisms, we would be the last because we're a single living organism with hundreds of billions of other organisms inside of us and around us and contributing to us and working together.

01:24:07.000 This is a wild thought.

01:24:08.000 It is a wild thought, and it seems like that That applies to every animal on Earth and all life on Earth, essentially, right?

01:24:17.000 Even plants have this crazy symbiotic relationship with fungus and with the nutrients that are in the ground.

01:24:25.000 I mean, when you think about what a probiotic is, right?

01:24:30.000 I love kombucha.

01:24:31.000 I drink a lot of kombucha.

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:33.000 You're drinking a live organism, and it's healthy.

01:24:37.000 And it's fueling all the other live organisms inside of you.

01:24:41.000 I describe it as like you've got a little army, and you put some healthy soldiers into your body with this kombucha.

01:24:50.000 That's kind of what a probiotic is.

01:24:53.000 Acidophilus, whatever you're taking, you're kind of like taking in some little soldiers to take care of a lot of stuff.

01:24:58.000 For jujitsu people, it's critical for avoiding skin diseases.

01:25:04.000 One of the things that comes up in jujitsu all the time is scratches.

01:25:08.000 Staph.

01:25:09.000 Staph, yeah.

01:25:10.000 Scratches lead.

01:25:10.000 Ringworm, yeah.

01:25:11.000 And all those things can be at least somewhat mitigated with acidophilus and with various probiotics and then healthy soaps.

01:25:23.000 Like you don't want to use an antibacterial soap.

01:25:27.000 Because you kill the good guys too.

01:25:28.000 Exactly.

01:25:29.000 So there's actually a company called Defense Soap.

01:25:31.000 And Defense Soap, shout out to my man Guy Sacco, who created Defense Soap.

01:25:36.000 He created it for grapplers and he created it for wrestlers and because a lot of these kids were getting sick and then they were using antibacterial soap, like they would get not sick, but they'd get little infections.

01:25:47.000 And so he came up with this defense soap which is mostly healthy oils like tea tree oil and eucalyptus and all those things they don't kill the bad bacteria but they fight off the bad bacteria and they keep the skin biome healthy.

01:26:05.000 And so there's a bunch of products that they've developed that are based on this principle that you're dealing with the surface of your skin.

01:26:12.000 It's an ecosystem, which is nuts.

01:26:15.000 You want to keep the soldiers happy.

01:26:17.000 There's so many theories that you can run down to, like autoimmune disease and the rate of autoimmune in countries like America versus really, really third-world countries.

01:26:30.000 Where it just basically doesn't exist.

01:26:31.000 Now, I think the life expectancy might be lower, so that's not a good trade-off.

01:26:36.000 When you have stuff like your immune system and you're clearing it of everything that it's learned to fight over however long we've been here, and suddenly it has nothing to fight, it's going to find things to fight.

01:26:53.000 I think that that's the same with bacteria and all this stuff, and I know it's even kind of taboo in some circles to recommend eating vegetables.

01:27:02.000 I know carnivores are not super into vegetables, but Even the mitotoxins in vegetables, you're getting just enough of it that your body learns to fight it.

01:27:15.000 Right, that's hormesis, right?

01:27:16.000 Hormesis, yeah.

01:27:18.000 I think that's the argument, unfortunately, that some epidemiologists have made about our current situation in terms of constantly sterilizing our hands and hand sanitizer and also not even being around people.

01:27:33.000 That our immune systems are atrophying, which is scary.

01:27:37.000 My kid right now, my youngest daughter, has a cold, an actual real cold. 0.98

01:27:44.000 I haven't seen a fucking cold in forever. 0.96

01:27:47.000 When was the last time you saw a cold? 0.99

01:27:48.000 A year and a half.

01:27:49.000 We tested her for the Rona. 0.51

01:27:50.000 She's already had it.

01:27:52.000 She had corona?

01:27:53.000 Yes.

01:27:54.000 Oh, wow.

01:27:54.000 Which was nothing.

01:27:55.000 This cold is way worse than corona.

01:27:57.000 Right. 0.99

01:27:57.000 She's coughing, running nose, she feels like shit, but she's just watching TV and chilling. 0.99

01:28:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:02.000 But it was crazy.

01:28:03.000 It's like, oh, you got a cold.

01:28:05.000 Huh, forgot about those.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 Like, kids always get colds.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:08.000 And, you know, no colds.

01:28:09.000 Right.

01:28:10.000 Because of no contact.

01:28:11.000 Yeah, no contact.

01:28:12.000 So we're not building up immunities today.

01:28:13.000 Right.

01:28:14.000 Yeah.

01:28:14.000 I mean, it's critical for children.

01:28:16.000 And, you know, you know, because you have kids as well, like, those little fuckers are Petri disters. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:20.000 They go to school and they come back with all kinds of stuff. 1.00

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 You get it and, yeah.

01:28:24.000 There's a huge period of time where kids' fingers are just dirty and sticky no matter what.

01:28:29.000 You wash them all day long.

01:28:30.000 They just appear dirty and sticky again.

01:28:33.000 Like, they're running around licking their hands and touching the floor.

01:28:36.000 Yep.

01:28:36.000 Yeah.

01:28:39.000 It's nature, right?

01:28:42.000 When you see babies, they're always sticking things in their mouth and touching things and dirt.

01:28:45.000 It's like nature's trying to get them to do that, I guess.

01:28:50.000 I have a hard time rationalizing some of this stuff when it becomes these absolutes of everybody must do this.

01:28:58.000 And again, I go like, well...

01:29:00.000 Do we all have exactly the same values?

01:29:03.000 I don't know that that's true and if that's not true, then this sounds to me like a religious position that we're making.

01:29:10.000 But I try to understand these things and I was speaking with a guy who studied epidemiology at UCLA and he said they had a large sign that was a constant reminder to them every day and it just said,

01:29:25.000 everybody lies. 0.98

01:29:27.000 What a fucking weird sign. 0.99

01:29:30.000 The idea is, because I was asking, if somebody's had corona, why are they pushing so hard for them to get vaccinated when the amount of reinfection doesn't look to be any worse than breakthrough infection post-vaccination? 0.99

01:29:53.000 Yeah.

01:29:54.000 What's the point there?

01:29:56.000 And his point was, well, in epidemiology, you learn that everybody lies.

01:30:00.000 So your aunt, who never got tested but had a bad cold back in March and is convinced she had corona, might not get the vaccine when she might not have had corona.

01:30:11.000 And so, therefore, they're going forward with everybody must get the vaccination as this kind of...

01:30:18.000 But I think it's interesting to think about that.

01:30:21.000 Like, everybody lies and...

01:30:23.000 I don't think they mean it necessarily even intentionally.

01:30:27.000 They mean play it safe.

01:30:28.000 Play it safe or even just like, I'm counting calories but I'm going to not measure my ketchup.

01:30:34.000 Are you really counting calories?

01:30:36.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:37.000 Ketchup's got calories.

01:30:38.000 A lot.

01:30:38.000 A lot of sugar.

01:30:39.000 I'm counting calories but I'm going to eat...

01:30:41.000 Four pounds of broccoli today.

01:30:43.000 At some point, that's going to add up.

01:30:46.000 Yeah.

01:30:46.000 It's amazing how much a handful of almonds.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:49.000 Handful of almonds, like 500 calories or something crazy.

01:30:52.000 Dude, when I was keto, I would get bags of macadamia nuts at Trader Joe's and never look at the caloric value of them and eat them.

01:31:00.000 I could just eat this full of fat and it's so good. 0.97

01:31:02.000 And then I'm not losing weight and I'm eating bacon for breakfast, like a Package of bacon for breakfast, a steak for lunch, snacking on macadamia nuts all day, and not losing weight and fucking pulling my hair out because it didn't seem to be working. 0.95

01:31:17.000 At some point, you can't eat more than your body needs or you're going to hold on to weight.

01:31:25.000 This is just the way that works.

01:31:27.000 If keto gets you to a place where...

01:31:31.000 You're going to be able to not eat enough to lose weight.

01:31:35.000 That's great.

01:31:35.000 That's perfectly great.

01:31:37.000 But if you're eating fucking heavy whipping cream on everything, this might not be the solution. 0.98

01:31:44.000 Yeah, there's no miracle when it comes to weight loss. 0.98

01:31:47.000 That's a fact.

01:31:48.000 And calories in versus calories out is real.

01:31:53.000 Yeah.

01:31:53.000 It's real.

01:31:54.000 The difference between keto and other diets is once your body gets into that fat burning state, it becomes easier to eat less.

01:32:01.000 There you go. 0.96

01:32:01.000 But you still have to be disciplined because macadamia nuts still taste fucking good. 0.96

01:32:05.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:32:05.000 And then like a sicko like me, I'm reading all the keto recipes of like how to make bagels with pork rinds and heavy whipping cream and cream cheese. 0.97

01:32:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:15.000 And convinced that this is going to work.

01:32:18.000 But I'm eating 5,000 calories a day in fat and not losing weight.

01:32:23.000 The only thing that I did ever when I went on a diet to lose weight was that carnivore diet.

01:32:27.000 But the reason why is because when you're not eating the pasta and the rice and all that stuff, like a salad or anything like that, the steak itself is enough.

01:32:37.000 It does satisfy you. 0.99

01:32:38.000 But I could have definitely eaten other shit. 1.00

01:32:41.000 Like a loaf of bread. 0.99

01:32:42.000 If there was a loaf of bread, I would have chowed that too.

01:32:44.000 And that would have been additional calories that I really didn't need to be satisfied.

01:32:48.000 But if you're just eating steak, you get to the end of that 16-ounce ribeye, and you're like, I'm done.

01:32:53.000 I'm done.

01:32:54.000 I'm good.

01:32:55.000 I'm not a full, like a glutton, like what I like to be.

01:33:00.000 I am.

01:33:01.000 Yeah, but you can get to this place where your body is in sort of a calorie deficit and also not as much calories as I'm accustomed to eating because I do eat a lot of food.

01:33:13.000 Yeah.

01:33:13.000 I eat a lot of food too.

01:33:15.000 I just – I've – you know – The idea of maintenance, this was something that I never went into any diet thinking about.

01:33:24.000 I never went into any diet thinking about, like, how...

01:33:27.000 Once I lose weight, how am I going to eat to keep it off?

01:33:29.000 This was not a thought.

01:33:30.000 The thought was always, my problem is I'm fat.

01:33:34.000 Once I lose my weight, I will have solved my problem and all will be well. 0.99

01:33:38.000 And then I arrive at, well, shit, now I'm gaining weight, so I'll just kind of do this diet again sporadically. 0.94

01:33:47.000 Um... 0.99

01:33:49.000 I work my fucking ass off for a couple of years just on maintenance and not even when I was at my goal. 0.99

01:33:56.000 Like, let me figure out what it is to eat because I trampled over all the physical signs of, like, satiation. 0.99

01:34:04.000 Like, I don't know what it is to eat a meal and go, like, I've had enough.

01:34:08.000 I don't know what that is.

01:34:09.000 I eat until I'm I'm practically nauseous.

01:34:13.000 That's how I eat.

01:34:14.000 And I do it in private because I don't want people to watch me eat like that.

01:34:19.000 And I hate these cringy words like mindfulness.

01:34:23.000 This word makes me sick to my stomach too.

01:34:26.000 However, if I sit by myself and actually look at what I'm eating and eat it with some sense of purpose, this has helped. 0.99

01:34:39.000 It's unfortunate the hippy-dippy shit has helped a little bit. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Yeah, the hippy-dippy shit is real. 1.00

01:34:44.000 The problem is so many hippy-dippy people are so fucking annoying. 1.00

01:34:48.000 Right. 0.99

01:34:48.000 They ruin these good hippy-dippy phrases and words and ideas. 0.99

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, mindfulness is a legit concept.

01:34:54.000 Yeah, but it's been ruined because it's awful.

01:34:57.000 Ruined.

01:34:57.000 It's awful.

01:34:58.000 Spirituality.

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 I'm spiritual.

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:00.000 I'm not religious.

01:35:01.000 I'm spiritual.

01:35:02.000 Right.

01:35:02.000 Yeah.

01:35:03.000 Here's my favorite one.

01:35:04.000 I'm living my truth.

01:35:05.000 Yeah.

01:35:06.000 What the fuck are you saying? 1.00

01:35:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:08.000 Just don't let your truth fuck with my truth. 1.00

01:35:11.000 You have your own truth? 1.00

01:35:13.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:35:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:15.000 When you said you were on a liquid diet, how did you do that?

01:35:20.000 I was doing a movie in Romania.

01:35:24.000 What was the movie?

01:35:25.000 Cold Mountain, 2002. And I had this brutal experience on a plane with a conversation with a guy who I think was very – meant well.

01:35:34.000 But, you know, honestly, he framed it all in terms of like his relationship with Christ and how my relationship with Christ was clearly lacking because I was a mess.

01:35:49.000 And that was his value.

01:35:51.000 He was concerned for me, was basically at the root of it, and expressing that concern.

01:35:55.000 I think anytime somebody tells me or has, you know, I don't want to talk really about masks or anything like that, but this is also very much like we don't all have to share the same values, but I recognize that when somebody's telling me I need to live a certain way,

01:36:13.000 this is just them imposing their values on me.

01:36:16.000 This is not...

01:36:18.000 Anything more than that.

01:36:19.000 And so I'm a little open and I go, okay, I understand where that's coming from.

01:36:23.000 You know, I don't want to upset anybody.

01:36:26.000 He had this conversation with me on a plane.

01:36:28.000 I landed and I started to think about, like, what am I doing?

01:36:32.000 Like, I just hadn't been thinking about it.

01:36:35.000 What am I going to do with my life?

01:36:36.000 What do I want to do?

01:36:38.000 Like, I have trouble going to the beach with my girlfriend at the time.

01:36:41.000 She likes to go on hikes. 0.97

01:36:42.000 I don't fucking go on. 0.99

01:36:43.000 I'm not going on a hike. 0.98

01:36:44.000 I don't even like walking around the block at that point.

01:36:48.000 And I called her up and it was the most bizarre feeling because I am objectively 550 pounds at this point and I had to talk to her about wanting to change my weight and it felt as though I was telling her a secret.

01:37:03.000 Like, I felt like I was gonna tell her something she didn't know.

01:37:08.000 Like, if you couldn't tell, I'm morbidly obese.

01:37:12.000 Nothing could be more evident.

01:37:14.000 And in this conversation, she was like, okay, what do you want to do?

01:37:18.000 And I was like, well, I want to lose weight.

01:37:20.000 And she said, good, as soon as you get home, I'll have something ready for you.

01:37:23.000 And when I landed, she picked me up and she had this whole liquid meal plan ready that was full of like fiber pills and vitamins and shakes. 0.92

01:37:33.000 And that's what I ate for 60 days.

01:37:37.000 And how much weight did you lose in 60 days?

01:37:39.000 80 pounds.

01:37:39.000 That's incredible in and of itself.

01:37:41.000 Yeah.

01:37:42.000 Wow.

01:37:42.000 And that weight I never put back on.

01:37:45.000 So when you lost that, did you decide at one point in time, I can't do this anymore?

01:37:50.000 Yeah, I mean, I was cold all the time, and I would start to...

01:37:55.000 Cold?

01:37:55.000 Yeah, freezing cold all the time, which I'm a really...

01:37:59.000 I run really hot.

01:38:00.000 Like, I can sweat just standing up, and this, I was, like, not quite shivering, but I was really cold, and...

01:38:06.000 Where do they think that's from?

01:38:07.000 I don't know.

01:38:08.000 Just being malnourished.

01:38:09.000 Oh.

01:38:10.000 And when I would stand up, my vision would go dark, and then come back, and I had, like, a...

01:38:17.000 An eight-week break from this movie, and I did it then, but I don't think I could be at work feeling like that.

01:38:26.000 I understand.

01:38:26.000 Yeah, you wouldn't be able to concentrate.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:29.000 Wow, that's crazy that you would go dark when you got up.

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:32.000 Like, all the way, no eyes open but black, and then it would slowly come back.

01:38:37.000 And I'd have to hold on to shit because I felt like I was going out. 0.99

01:38:40.000 Wow. 1.00

01:38:41.000 Yeah.

01:38:41.000 So that has to be some sort of blood sugar thing, I would imagine?

01:38:44.000 Yeah.

01:38:45.000 I don't actually know, but probably.

01:38:48.000 Sounds right.

01:38:49.000 I don't know either.

01:38:49.000 We just guessed.

01:38:51.000 You've been choked out.

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:53.000 Not unconscious.

01:38:55.000 Not totally unconscious.

01:38:55.000 Really?

01:38:56.000 No, I always tap.

01:38:57.000 Okay.

01:38:57.000 I didn't even know it was happening.

01:38:59.000 It happened to me once.

01:39:00.000 And I thought, like, no, I can get out of this, and then I was just unconscious.

01:39:04.000 But I remember my vision starting to go, and that's the sign I should have paid attention to.

01:39:08.000 I flew in an FA-18 once with the Blue Angels, and I blacked out.

01:39:11.000 Yeah.

01:39:12.000 See, the problem is, I made it to way higher Gs, and I didn't black out, and then we were on one turn, and I just, I'm like, I got this.

01:39:21.000 And then I'm like...

01:39:22.000 Just the blood goes somewhere else.

01:39:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:24.000 We were doing seven and a half Gs, which is, for those guys, is nothing. 0.99

01:39:29.000 But for me, it was like, What the fuck? 0.99

01:39:32.000 When you feel that pressure, it's crazy. 0.99

01:39:34.000 We're banking into a turn. 0.99

01:39:35.000 I wish I could remember the gentleman who was flying, but he was a fucking stud. 0.99

01:39:39.000 And these guys are all, like, super jacked. 0.99

01:39:42.000 And one of the reasons why they're jacked is because they have to force blood into their brain while they're flying.

01:39:47.000 Right.

01:39:47.000 So as they're holding onto the thing, he's going like this.

01:39:49.000 Hoot! 1.00

01:39:50.000 Hoot! 1.00

01:39:51.000 So you're forcing blood into your head as you're banking.

01:39:55.000 And we're like...

01:39:56.000 And I could see it like an elevator door, like my consciousness closing in.

01:40:01.000 And I'm fighting.

01:40:01.000 I'm going...

01:40:03.000 And they could get to like seven, ten, nine, you know, they go way higher than seven and a half, what I did.

01:40:10.000 And I was fine with that.

01:40:12.000 And then as we were coming in, we did this other hard turn.

01:40:16.000 We were only like at four and a half G's or something like that.

01:40:19.000 And then I got up, threw up. 0.99

01:40:21.000 I was like, damn it! 0.99

01:40:22.000 I was almost home! 0.99

01:40:24.000 This was every time I stood up doing a liquid diet.

01:40:27.000 Vision black.

01:40:29.000 And then once you got back on food, did it all come back?

01:40:32.000 Your heat and everything?

01:40:33.000 Yes, that all came back.

01:40:35.000 But I was on a very, very low calorie diet when I started eating.

01:40:39.000 And I ate that way for another few months.

01:40:42.000 So I continued to lose weight far, far more slowly.

01:40:46.000 But then even then, I was still doing like under a thousand calories a day, but I was eating solid food.

01:40:53.000 Have you ever heard of the story of the man who fasted for 365 days and he, do you know this guy?

01:41:02.000 I don't know him, but I have heard about him.

01:41:05.000 He drank only water and took in vitamins, I think IV vitamins, I forget how they did it, but this guy lost an insane amount of weight and the crazy thing is his skin shrank.

01:41:18.000 Yeah, that's...

01:41:19.000 I mean, listen, I don't want to say that's something that's not really talked about enough amongst people who have massive weight loss.

01:41:27.000 And I find that people who start to lose a lot of weight are suddenly confronted with this fact that they have billowing skin and it's shocking and very upsetting.

01:41:37.000 And I think that guy's an outlier because I did read about him.

01:41:43.000 Mostly people are going to have a lot of excess skin.

01:41:48.000 The thought was that maybe because the fact the guy was ketogenic for the entire 365 days a year and his body was consuming fat, that it also consumed skin as well.

01:41:59.000 I don't think that's scientifically possible.

01:42:03.000 But do you know of any other outliers that lost a shit ton of weight and didn't have any loose skin?

01:42:08.000 No.

01:42:08.000 I don't know of anybody.

01:42:10.000 Yeah, that's what's weird, right?

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:12.000 And I was ketogenic for hundreds of pounds of weight loss and still had loose skin.

01:42:18.000 And then I got skin surgery and then gained weight again.

01:42:22.000 Like I've done every awful thing you could do with weight loss.

01:42:26.000 I think it's more than even ketogenic because this guy's body was literally living off itself.

01:42:31.000 It's not like he was taking in macadamia nuts or whatever.

01:42:33.000 He's living off his own tissue.

01:42:36.000 And I wonder if that was the catalyst.

01:42:38.000 I just don't think skin is bioavailable in that way.

01:42:43.000 But muscle is.

01:42:45.000 Muscle is, and fat is, but I don't think you can disintegrate, consume your skin in that way.

01:42:54.000 From what I've read, skin as an organ... 0.56

01:43:02.000 Is elastic, and when you fill it up, it's built to be stretched. 0.93

01:43:06.000 But if you keep it filled up for too long, and it can't stretch from that point, it then goes like, oh shit, we have a new settling point.

01:43:15.000 We're going to now grow to this size, and so that we can be elastic again. 0.97

01:43:20.000 Because your body...

01:43:22.000 Unfortunately, we'll always store fat.

01:43:24.000 Your body wants to store fat.

01:43:26.000 Your body understands famine, and it understands when there's excess, you store it if you can.

01:43:33.000 You want to do that.

01:43:35.000 Your body's not concerned with being thin and looking good.

01:43:39.000 Your body wants to stay alive. 0.99

01:43:40.000 It doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:43:41.000 And being fat will save you if there's a famine, and it takes a hell of a lot longer to kill you than starving. 1.00

01:43:47.000 You can starve to death pretty quick. 0.99

01:43:49.000 Isn't that crazy that your body lives in the same space as your brain? 1.00

01:43:53.000 Your brain wants you to look good, but your body's like, shut the fuck up and make me fat. 1.00

01:43:59.000 This food's gonna go away. 0.99

01:44:01.000 The five days worth of food you can get at the gas station for two bucks, that's gonna go away.

01:44:07.000 It's gonna disappear.

01:44:07.000 You're gonna starve.

01:44:08.000 Eat it all.

01:44:09.000 Store the fat. 0.94

01:44:10.000 You'll be safe.

01:44:11.000 What a weird battle.

01:44:12.000 Yeah.

01:44:13.000 Your brain and your body play with each other.

01:44:15.000 It really is strange. 1.00

01:44:16.000 It's fucked. 1.00

01:44:17.000 And then if you want to lose weight and retain muscle mass, you got to convince your body that you're doing shit with it to survive. 1.00

01:44:25.000 So you got to lift heavy things so that your body doesn't consume your muscles.

01:44:30.000 Those are like the key things to if you want to lose weight because muscle requires energy.

01:44:35.000 It requires food.

01:44:36.000 So you can eat a little bit more if you have a little bit more muscle.

01:44:39.000 This is the benefit of having muscles.

01:44:41.000 Yeah, and what it takes to gain muscle, most people don't understand.

01:44:46.000 They think you lift weights, you gain muscle.

01:44:47.000 No, no, no. 0.99

01:44:48.000 You have to lift weights, and then you have to tell your body, hey, motherfucker, we're going to do this all the time. 1.00

01:44:53.000 You better grow. 0.99

01:44:54.000 And it's going to get heavier. 0.99

01:44:55.000 And it's going to suck. 0.97

01:44:56.000 You have to feel like, oh, you have to like, oh. 0.81

01:45:00.000 We're stretching and everything's sore. 1.00

01:45:02.000 That is the only way your body's like, okay, this asshole's just gonna pick up heavy things every fucking day. 1.00

01:45:07.000 We need more resources. 1.00

01:45:09.000 We need more tissue.

01:45:10.000 That's it!

01:45:11.000 And then your appetite kicks in.

01:45:13.000 And you're eating more. 0.95

01:45:14.000 Oh yeah, when I lift weights, especially heavy, I am so fucking hungry. 1.00

01:45:18.000 Because your body's like, hey bitch, time to grow. 1.00

01:45:20.000 You gonna make me do this? 1.00

01:45:22.000 Why are we carrying things?

01:45:24.000 Isn't this a new world?

01:45:26.000 We have machines to carry things?

01:45:27.000 Why are you carrying things?

01:45:28.000 You should be playing video games. 1.00

01:45:29.000 What's wrong Why are you farmer walking with two 72-pound kettlebells, you piece of shit? 1.00

01:45:34.000 And didn't you know at the gas station, you can get all the food you need for the month, and it won't go bad for 20 bucks. 1.00

01:45:44.000 What is happening to that stuff inside your body?

01:45:46.000 It's fermenting.

01:45:48.000 It's turning to formaldehyde.

01:45:49.000 I avoid that stuff as often as possible, but every time I do eat processed food, my body's like, what is this nonsense?

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:57.000 I have a weird thing where I can eat sugar if I'm in the gym. 0.52

01:46:00.000 Like, if I'm in the gym, lifting weights, and I have a Gatorade, I feel fucking awesome. 0.80

01:46:04.000 I feel like Superman.

01:46:06.000 If I have a Gatorade late at night or a bowl of ice cream, I wake up hungover and feel like I'm dying.

01:46:11.000 It's crazy.

01:46:12.000 Yeah.

01:46:12.000 Yeah, when I eat ice cream and then go to bed, I will have this horrible feeling in the middle of the night where my stomach's like...

01:46:18.000 Yeah.

01:46:20.000 And I almost have a headache.

01:46:22.000 Yeah.

01:46:22.000 You know?

01:46:23.000 Like, it's just...

01:46:23.000 Your body doesn't want...

01:46:24.000 But a hard weightlifting session and then a Snickers bar, like, you feel pretty fucking good.

01:46:29.000 Because you can use it. 0.78

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 You actually can use it.

01:46:31.000 When I was riding bikes a lot, some of the old pros would say, like, and I'd have, like, you know... 0.97

01:46:38.000 Non-GMO fucking health bars and electrolytes without sugar and all this stuff. 0.85

01:46:43.000 And we get to the top of the hill and they'd have a Snickers and a Coke. 0.98

01:46:46.000 And they would literally say, like, this is the perfect, perfect meal for right now.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, that's what Floyd Mayweather uses.

01:46:54.000 After it works out, he drinks Coke.

01:46:56.000 Yeah.

01:46:56.000 Which is crazy.

01:46:57.000 And his body, it's like rocket fuel.

01:46:59.000 It's high octane.

01:47:00.000 I don't actually know how gas works, but it's something that sounds like high octane is for a fast car.

01:47:06.000 I know, it's a thing that trainers actually recommend, which is nuts.

01:47:09.000 They'll tell you, yeah, a sugary soft drink is actually very good after a workout.

01:47:13.000 Yeah.

01:47:14.000 Like, what?

01:47:15.000 I mean, this is the idea that food is fuel, right?

01:47:20.000 That we are actually...

01:47:21.000 Could you imagine if every night the leftover gas in your car would make your car heavier and you'd still need to put gas in the next day? 0.95

01:47:31.000 Like, you would start to fucking figure out exactly how much gas you needed. 0.89

01:47:35.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:47:36.000 We don't do that.

01:47:37.000 Right, right. 1.00

01:47:37.000 You'd be like, this fucking stupid car is so fat. 1.00

01:47:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:40.000 I would like to drive to your house, Mom, but my car is fat. 1.00

01:47:43.000 Right.

01:47:44.000 It's slow.

01:47:45.000 It'll never make it.

01:47:46.000 I've been over gassing it for years. 1.00

01:47:47.000 It's got clogged fucking hoses. 0.99

01:47:50.000 Those wheels hurt. 1.00

01:47:51.000 Yeah.

01:47:52.000 It's just miserable.

01:47:53.000 It's riding low. 0.99

01:47:54.000 They're all fucking half deflated. 0.98

01:47:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:56.000 Treating your body like a machine. 0.99

01:47:58.000 I always call my body my meat vehicle.

01:48:00.000 Yeah.

01:48:01.000 But treating it like a machine is so difficult because it's interconnected with all these feelings and pangs, hunger pangs, and there's so much going on, emotions.

01:48:11.000 And in America, we celebrate everything with food.

01:48:13.000 Oh yeah.

01:48:14.000 Every holiday is about food.

01:48:16.000 I get so over it at Thanksgiving.

01:48:18.000 Like, we're gonna do this again?

01:48:20.000 And then Christmas is just a string of events where we're eating.

01:48:24.000 Yeah, the turkey industry celebrates Thanksgiving.

01:48:27.000 The turkey industry and then the pumpkin industry is really pumped about October.

01:48:31.000 Yeah.

01:48:32.000 And Halloween rolls around. 0.98

01:48:33.000 Like, who the fuck else would be buying pumpkins? 0.99

01:48:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:48:35.000 If there wasn't for Halloween, how many pumpkins will we sell in this country? 0.99

01:48:39.000 Three?

01:48:40.000 Three pumpkins?

01:48:41.000 Pumpkin pie, I guess, actually.

01:48:42.000 Pumpkin pie is pretty good. 0.95

01:48:44.000 Pretty goddamn good. 0.96

01:48:44.000 But you don't want to eat it all the time. 0.96

01:48:47.000 I mean, I don't.

01:48:48.000 If it's right there, some whipped cream. 0.98

01:48:51.000 Pumpkin pie is pretty fucking good. 0.97

01:48:52.000 Lots of whipped cream. 0.98

01:48:53.000 I changed my mind.

01:48:54.000 I'm back on a pumpkin.

01:48:55.000 We need more pumpkins.

01:48:56.000 But have you ever had baked pumpkin?

01:48:58.000 No.

01:48:59.000 It's pretty good.

01:48:59.000 I've had baked squash.

01:49:00.000 It can't be much different.

01:49:02.000 Yeah, I like spaghetti squash.

01:49:04.000 Yeah, delicious.

01:49:06.000 Spaghetti squash with marinara sauce is almost as good as pasta.

01:49:12.000 Yeah.

01:49:13.000 Sometimes better.

01:49:14.000 Have you ever had these kelp noodles?

01:49:15.000 No. 1.00

01:49:16.000 There are kelp noodles nowadays, and one of my kids was eating them, and I was just like, this is stupid. 1.00

01:49:23.000 Kelp noodles are stupid. 0.99

01:49:25.000 But then I tried them, and I couldn't... 0.99

01:49:28.000 I mean, they're not exactly the same.

01:49:30.000 There's a little bit more of a crunch, so you imagine if it's like super al dente pasta. 0.97

01:49:34.000 But they're fucking good. 0.95

01:49:36.000 You put some tomato sauce on them. 0.99

01:49:38.000 Really?

01:49:38.000 It's pretty good, yeah.

01:49:39.000 I've had hemp pasta.

01:49:41.000 Okay.

01:49:41.000 I like hemp pasta.

01:49:42.000 Is that lowering calories?

01:49:44.000 I don't know.

01:49:44.000 I think it has protein, though.

01:49:46.000 Right.

01:49:46.000 That's the thing about hemp pasta.

01:49:47.000 There used to be...

01:49:49.000 There's a protein spaghetti that I used to buy, but oh my god, the farts.

01:49:53.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 They were out of this world.

01:49:55.000 They're like, what is happening in my body?

01:49:57.000 But it might have been.

01:49:58.000 I would eat this protein pasta with marinara sauce with tuna.

01:50:01.000 And this was when I was a young single man.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 I would boil the pasta, and then I would take the sauce and dump a can of tuna into the sauce, stir it up, pour it on together, and then just thank god I was alone.

01:50:13.000 Right.

01:50:14.000 But that's a ton of protein.

01:50:16.000 Yeah.

01:50:16.000 Oh, a ton of protein.

01:50:17.000 But...

01:50:18.000 Yeah, I don't think my body enjoyed it.

01:50:20.000 And I don't know if it was the pasta or the combination of the pasta with the sauce and the tuna as well, but all together.

01:50:27.000 When I upped my protein, I started paying attention to how much protein I got every day, and I actually had to increase my protein.

01:50:36.000 If I would fuck up and miss a meal and wind up with like, I got 100 grams of protein left towards the end of the day, and I'd eat it all at once, which is a fucking shitload of protein to consume at one time, the gas, Everybody in my house would be furious with me. 0.99

01:50:51.000 I mean, like, really fucking awful. 0.99

01:50:56.000 So that, you know, and I have my coach, Jared Feather, again, amazing guy. 0.96

01:51:01.000 He would program me and he would say, you know, like, you eat 25 grams in this meal and 50 grams in this meal and spread it out throughout the day.

01:51:09.000 And I'd go like, yeah, okay, but... 0.93

01:51:11.000 If I get to the end of the day and I've only eaten one meal, I'll just eat everything then because I kind of like just fucking eating until I'm stuffed. 0.76

01:51:19.000 And you'd go, that's a bad idea for a number of reasons. 0.89

01:51:21.000 I'd go, okay, but does it really matter?

01:51:23.000 And then the gas actually got me to spread it out.

01:51:26.000 Yeah.

01:51:27.000 Which is beneficial.

01:51:29.000 Have you ever heard of the warrior diet?

01:51:30.000 That's when people eat one meal a day?

01:51:32.000 Yes.

01:51:32.000 If I was going to try to cram 250 to 270 grams of protein into one meal a day, it would be a disaster.

01:51:41.000 It would be a fucking disaster. 0.98

01:51:43.000 I think that goes to the biodiversity thing. 0.99

01:51:45.000 Some people can do it.

01:51:47.000 Some people like it that way.

01:51:48.000 I know quite a few people that eat one strong meal a day.

01:51:53.000 Mark Sisson, wasn't he saying that?

01:51:55.000 Wasn't Mark saying he eats one meal a day often?

01:52:00.000 He's the guy that wrote that book, The Primal Blueprint.

01:52:04.000 He had all sorts of arthritis and all sorts of issues with his joints and cut out, for him, this is his thing, he cut out all bread, all pasta, all grains, and just started eating Completely unprocessed food,

01:52:20.000 eats a lot of grass-fed steak, eats a lot of just vegetables, and it all went away.

01:52:27.000 And then he feels infinitely better and wrote this book about how to cook and how to eat with completely unprocessed food.

01:52:38.000 But he now, but he's in his 60s, very fit.

01:52:41.000 He's my canary in a coal mine.

01:52:43.000 When I see a dude in his 60s, it gets after as much as that guy does.

01:52:46.000 But, you know, he exercises, but he doesn't kill himself.

01:52:49.000 But he looks great.

01:52:50.000 He's got a full six-pack.

01:52:52.000 As far as an older guy, he looks amazing.

01:52:54.000 And I'm pretty sure he only eats once a day for the most part.

01:52:58.000 Occasionally he'll have a light breakfast or something like that, but he's got his body kind of dialed in to where he needs it and what to eat.

01:53:06.000 Most of my friends, though, that are athletes, particularly fighters, they eat all throughout the day.

01:53:12.000 A lot of them carry around those little Tupperware containers and they'll eat multiple meals a day.

01:53:20.000 I take that to work. 0.99

01:53:21.000 I don't fuck with food at work anymore. 0.99

01:53:23.000 Craft service? 1.00

01:53:23.000 Yeah, I don't fuck with it. 1.00

01:53:24.000 Craft service can get you, man. 1.00

01:53:25.000 It's deadly, dude.

01:53:26.000 You start grazing.

01:53:28.000 Yeah.

01:53:28.000 I see people just walking by their craft service like, hmm, what do we got here, a bagel?

01:53:32.000 Yeah.

01:53:32.000 M&M's?

01:53:33.000 And then they like serve a weird meal.

01:53:35.000 They come around with sandwiches halfway through the morning and there's still the table over there.

01:53:39.000 It's psychotic. 0.99

01:53:41.000 And in fairness, like a gripper, an electrician who's picking up heavy things all day, I understand that guy needs to eat throughout the day, but I, who am a fucking dumb actor, who mostly just standing around saying words, 0.99

01:53:56.000 it's not physically demanding. 0.99

01:53:59.000 Right.

01:53:59.000 It's like a luxury thing, though.

01:54:01.000 They want you to feel like you're catered to, like as if you went to a resort and they walked by, would you like some ice cream?

01:54:06.000 Yes, I would.

01:54:07.000 I'm on vacation.

01:54:08.000 Anything you can think of, we have it somewhere.

01:54:11.000 Yeah.

01:54:12.000 Okay.

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:13.000 Those habits that people develop at work, I knew a lot of people that would act and they would be on sets and they would gain weight every time they would be on a set because that craft service table they'll set up.

01:54:28.000 Especially if it's a good craft service one with the bagels and the locks. 0.89

01:54:32.000 Fucking hard to avoid, man. 0.81

01:54:33.000 Especially in the morning when you're tired. 0.99

01:54:35.000 When I'm tired, I have fucking zero willpower. 0.53

01:54:38.000 When I'm tired, like when I come home and I'm hungry, I'm tired, it's like fast food, whatever. 0.71

01:54:43.000 It's been proven, I believe, that your body reacts differently to cravings when you're tired and you make poor choices.

01:54:50.000 Yeah, this is one of the habits that I've worked on really hard at changing is like I don't do anything hungry and I don't go to the grocery store hungry.

01:55:00.000 I don't start cooking hungry.

01:55:03.000 If I start cooking my dinner and I'm starving, My pour of the olive oil is heavier.

01:55:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:55:11.000 My portion of the rice, I'm smashing it into that cup to make sure the cup has really two cups in it.

01:55:17.000 Like, just accidentally.

01:55:19.000 Yeah.

01:55:20.000 What kind of exercise are you doing these days?

01:55:22.000 I just lift weights.

01:55:23.000 Just weights.

01:55:24.000 Yeah.

01:55:25.000 Six days a week.

01:55:26.000 And for cardio, it's mostly walking around.

01:55:30.000 I take my dogs on a walk.

01:55:32.000 I get on an elliptical machine, but I'm never doing, like, HIIT-type stuff.

01:55:36.000 I like ellipticals for, you could pretend you're working out, like you're working out, but you can watch TV. Yeah.

01:55:42.000 Because you just kind of can get into a movie, and the next thing you know, you're like, oh, I'm fucking 150 beats a minute. 0.86

01:55:48.000 Look at me. 0.74

01:55:49.000 I'm getting after it.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 My heart rate's spiked.

01:55:52.000 I can do an elliptical for a long time, and it doesn't have, it's like, I don't want my heart rate too high.

01:56:00.000 So if I'm trying to keep it steady, that's a great thing to do.

01:56:03.000 Why do you want your heart rate low?

01:56:05.000 I just don't want to tap into any...

01:56:08.000 I don't want to, like, for the time being, if I'm...

01:56:10.000 Like, when I was just hyper-focused on I want to lose weight, I just want to get small, then I had a lot more cardio in my routine.

01:56:21.000 And right now, I want to preserve every single gram of muscle I have.

01:56:25.000 I don't want to give it up.

01:56:27.000 And since I've been basically in some kind of caloric deficit for so long...

01:56:32.000 If I work too hard or if the deficit slips too much, it's gonna tap into, it's gonna use some lean tissue too.

01:56:42.000 So you're just into getting jacked right now.

01:56:44.000 That's it.

01:56:44.000 I just want abs, dude.

01:56:46.000 I got to 200 pounds, I was... 0.95

01:56:49.000 Doing eight hours of cardio a day on a bike, and I didn't have abs, and it was really fucking disappointing.

01:56:56.000 Now, all that said, I have loose skin, so it's like, you see those big muscle guys in loose shirts, and they don't, they just still, that's still what I got, because I got loose skin hangover, but downlighting.

01:57:09.000 You get all the right things.

01:57:11.000 You can see abs, which is nice.

01:57:13.000 Are you doing a lot of abdominal exercises?

01:57:16.000 None.

01:57:16.000 None?

01:57:17.000 Almost none.

01:57:18.000 How come?

01:57:19.000 I feel like I get them with bench press and squats.

01:57:24.000 They're all kind of activated.

01:57:25.000 I do a little bit, but I'm not hyper-focused on doing abs.

01:57:28.000 I'm also not building muscle right now.

01:57:32.000 I think...

01:57:34.000 I mean, you can get abs just by being lean.

01:57:37.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 You will look good.

01:57:39.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 By being lean.

01:57:40.000 But if you want, like, thick, boom, boom.

01:57:43.000 Like, distended, yeah.

01:57:44.000 Thick, big muscles.

01:57:45.000 You gotta do it.

01:57:46.000 Yeah.

01:57:47.000 I do it because it protects everything, too.

01:57:50.000 It protects my spine.

01:57:52.000 It protects...

01:57:53.000 Like you're super core focused?

01:57:56.000 Yeah, really.

01:57:57.000 Because everything I do, whether it's kickboxing or jujitsu, it's very core focused.

01:58:02.000 Yeah.

01:58:02.000 So it makes a big difference to have a strong back and strong abs.

01:58:08.000 So I do a lot of reverse hyper.

01:58:11.000 I use that machine a lot.

01:58:13.000 I do sit-ups on that thing.

01:58:16.000 What's it called?

01:58:17.000 The glute ham GHB? Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

01:58:22.000 It's like...

01:58:22.000 Looks like a really extended sit-up, right?

01:58:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:27.000 I do a lot of those, and I do back extensions on those too.

01:58:32.000 So I'm working my lower back with a reverse hyper.

01:58:37.000 I'm working it again with the back extensions.

01:58:40.000 I'm doing my abs with that.

01:58:42.000 Have you ever seen the ab mat?

01:58:44.000 You know what those are?

01:58:46.000 Rogue makes it.

01:58:47.000 Rogue Fitness.

01:58:48.000 I love it.

01:58:49.000 It's crazy, this little hump.

01:58:51.000 It's not high.

01:58:52.000 It's this little hump.

01:58:53.000 But it makes such a difference in, like, a sit-up.

01:58:57.000 Because if your back is flat on the ground, it's so much easier to sit up than it is with just this little hump.

01:59:03.000 Right.

01:59:04.000 It's so strange.

01:59:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:05.000 Like, you would think, like, what is this little bitch-ass hump? 1.00

01:59:07.000 That doesn't matter. 1.00

01:59:08.000 But it does.

01:59:09.000 That thing right there.

01:59:10.000 That's what I have.

01:59:11.000 That little hump. 0.98

01:59:12.000 When you go down, first of all, it protects your butt and keeps you from getting torn up on the floor. 0.99

01:59:17.000 But that thing right there, the ab mat, I fucking love that thing. 0.99

01:59:20.000 I like the crack there, too. 0.98

01:59:21.000 That's convenient.

01:59:22.000 Yeah, where your legs and your old saccaroony can sort of nestle itself in the middle there.

01:59:28.000 But when you use that for sit-ups, it makes the sit-ups more demanding.

01:59:32.000 And then I do these other sit-ups with kettlebells.

01:59:37.000 I forget what they're called.

01:59:40.000 There's a name for it.

01:59:41.000 Like where it's on your chest?

01:59:42.000 No.

01:59:43.000 No, I put my feet in two kettlebells.

01:59:47.000 So I'll take like two 50s and I'll hang them over my toes. 0.97

01:59:51.000 And then I'll take two other 50s and I'll sit back and I'll sit up with the kettlebells.

01:59:57.000 So I'll force myself to like press these kettlebells and then...

02:00:02.000 I'm raising it up so it's a strong abdominal exercise that you really can only do like 10 reps or so in.

02:00:08.000 Right.

02:00:08.000 Yeah, it's just really good for developing all that muscle.

02:00:12.000 And then I love Turkish get-ups too.

02:00:14.000 Yeah.

02:00:15.000 Because Turkish get-ups works the whole core. 1.00

02:00:17.000 Yeah.

02:00:17.000 Those are gnarly.

02:00:18.000 I did read an article once years ago when I was super cardio focused that said that this overweight power lifter really wanted abs and the way he got them is he did this kettlebell thing where he did a thousand swings a day for ten days.

02:00:33.000 And I did that and I didn't get abs. 0.96

02:00:35.000 And I was like, fucking, I'm over it. 1.00

02:00:37.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

02:00:38.000 How was he doing it? 1.00

02:00:40.000 How did he get 1,000 swings a day for 10 days and that gave him abs?

02:00:43.000 I don't know because that's not the way it works.

02:00:45.000 But this was back in the day where I wasn't really paying attention to how stuff actually worked.

02:00:51.000 I mean, it engages your abs for sure.

02:00:55.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 But I would imagine it's more like your lower back and your hams.

02:00:58.000 I couldn't sit on a toilet on day three.

02:01:00.000 It was awful.

02:01:02.000 Hamstrings?

02:01:02.000 Yeah.

02:01:03.000 Really?

02:01:03.000 It was all hamstrings?

02:01:04.000 Yeah.

02:01:04.000 I mean, that was the thing that fired the most for me was hamstrings.

02:01:08.000 And by the 10th day, they were okay again, but day three and four, I wasn't sitting down.

02:01:14.000 It was really painful.

02:01:15.000 When I realized how weak my hamstrings are was when I got this device called a monkey feet.

02:01:19.000 You know what monkey feet is?

02:01:20.000 No.

02:01:21.000 It's the thing you strap onto your foot and you put a dumbbell in it.

02:01:24.000 So, like, your foot is grabbing.

02:01:27.000 And then I'll do, like, leg curls, like I would do arm curls with my legs. 1.00

02:01:31.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

02:01:32.000 And I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm so weak. 1.00

02:01:34.000 Like, I thought my legs were strong as fuck. 1.00

02:01:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:36.000 But, like, doing curls with my legs, doing that, it's very weak. 0.99

02:01:40.000 But it also allows you to do things for your hip flexors.

02:01:43.000 So you can lift...

02:01:44.000 Like knee raises while holding on to like a 35-pound dumbbell with this thing at the bottom of your foot.

02:01:50.000 And some guys work up to 45 pounds, 55 pounds.

02:01:53.000 And you could really build the muscle tissue in your hamstrings and your hip flexors in a way that you kind of can do by holding something in your arm.

02:02:02.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 I do mostly straight leg deadlifts for hamstrings.

02:02:06.000 Those are good too.

02:02:07.000 Yeah.

02:02:07.000 But again, I thought it was a lot stronger.

02:02:09.000 I thought my hamstrings were a lot stronger than they were.

02:02:12.000 And in jujitsu, hamstrings really come into play because you want to squeeze someone and hold them in place.

02:02:18.000 And you sort of develop that strength just from grappling, but you certainly can enhance it with lifting weights with your hamstrings.

02:02:26.000 The best way I've found is with these monkey feet things, because it forces it to act as an individual unit.

02:02:33.000 It forces it to balance the weight and maneuver it, and I think it gets all those stabilizing muscles.

02:02:39.000 I trained with Eddie Bravo a long time ago, and I have gigantic legs, very, very strong legs, as you know somebody who carried around 550 pounds would have.

02:02:51.000 And I would go around to other places.

02:02:55.000 Whenever I'd travel, I'd find somebody and go do a private somewhere. 0.95

02:02:58.000 And I was like, I'm going to throw fucking lockdown on Marcel Garcia and see if my legs are really strong. 0.99

02:03:04.000 They weren't shit. 1.00

02:03:05.000 Nothing. 0.99

02:03:05.000 They did nothing. 0.99

02:03:06.000 He was like, oh, that hook, that's interesting. 0.99

02:03:08.000 And just fucking came right out. 0.99

02:03:10.000 You're talking about the master. 0.99

02:03:12.000 I know.

02:03:13.000 I didn't think I was going to actually do anything beyond that.

02:03:16.000 I just thought I could throw the lock down on him.

02:03:19.000 And hold him in place.

02:03:19.000 And show him, like, this is what real strong legs are.

02:03:22.000 Because he's got pretty good calves, too.

02:03:23.000 Oh, my God.

02:03:24.000 That's a big part of Marcelo's game is his control with his legs.

02:03:27.000 Yeah.

02:03:28.000 And his arms are not big.

02:03:30.000 They're very small.

02:03:30.000 That's one of the reasons why they're very big.

02:03:32.000 But that's all genetic, right?

02:03:34.000 And that's one of the reasons why Marcelo always avoids what he calls strongman moves.

02:03:38.000 Like, Marcelo never uses Kimuras, because he feels like Kimuras are a strongman move, which is really interesting.

02:03:44.000 But a lot of guys who even, like Gabe Tuttle, who's the head coach at 10th Planet in Austin, he uses Kimoras, and he's a small guy, but he likes Kimoras to set up other things.

02:03:56.000 So he uses Kimoras because when you have to defend Kimoras, then it sets up back attacks, it sets up arm bars and triangles.

02:04:05.000 There's different things that happen, so as you clamp onto that Kimura and pull it, the guy has to react, and then you use that, because it's a very predictable action, right?

02:04:14.000 If you have a hold of a person's arm and you're threatening with a Kimura, there's not a whole lot of things they have to do, or they can do, rather. 0.76

02:04:21.000 So you've got this thing and you're yanking it back like that.

02:04:24.000 They kind of have to do that.

02:04:25.000 Right.

02:04:26.000 So as you anticipate that, then you transition to a triangle or you transition to something else or take the back.

02:04:32.000 There's a whole series, I think David Avalon has a whole series of Kimura traps and how they call it a Kimura trap. 0.75

02:04:40.000 You're setting up, you're using this attack and you can finish with that attack if you get it, but you're setting up a bunch of other stuff.

02:04:47.000 Right. 0.96

02:04:47.000 But Marcelo didn't even fuck with it. 0.96

02:04:49.000 He's like, I'm just strangling bitches. 1.00

02:04:51.000 Right. 1.00

02:04:52.000 I'm just going to hold them with my legs and strangle them. 0.97

02:04:54.000 Yeah, his arm bars are great. 0.98

02:04:58.000 Everything is great for sure, but man, he would get your back.

02:05:02.000 Marcelo got the back.

02:05:03.000 I remember I was in Brazil in 2003 and I saw him put Shaolin to sleep.

02:05:09.000 He arm dragged, and no one knew who Marcelo was at the time.

02:05:11.000 But he arm-dragged him and then took the back and the two of them were rolling.

02:05:15.000 They're spinning on the mat.

02:05:17.000 And by the time the spin was done, Shaolin was unconscious.

02:05:20.000 It was wild.

02:05:21.000 That's awesome.

02:05:21.000 And it was quick.

02:05:22.000 See if you can find that.

02:05:23.000 He was...

02:05:24.000 Marcelo Garcia versus Shaolin 2003 Abu Dhabi.

02:05:28.000 And I remember being...

02:05:29.000 I was right there, man.

02:05:30.000 I was in the stands like 20 yards away watching him do this.

02:05:34.000 Yeah.

02:05:35.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:05:35.000 Watch this. 0.71

02:05:37.000 So they're tying up.

02:05:39.000 Look at this.

02:05:39.000 Arm drag, take the back and spin, [...

02:05:43.000 And by the time he gets to here, he's out fucking cold.

02:05:48.000 He's trying to resist as much as he can. 0.96

02:05:50.000 So they're still spinning.

02:05:52.000 And then by the time... 1.00

02:05:53.000 Look at those fucking legs he has. 1.00

02:05:54.000 He's out cold. 1.00

02:05:55.000 That's awesome.

02:05:56.000 And Shaolin is a world-class black belt. 0.98

02:05:59.000 And this is when...

02:06:00.000 Is this what made Marcelo Garcia Marcelo Garcia?

02:06:04.000 Yes.

02:06:04.000 Yeah, this was when the world first found Marcelo Garcia.

02:06:08.000 Shaolin was already a known black belt.

02:06:10.000 But show that again, because the way he did it by this arm drag... 0.99

02:06:15.000 So they're tying up...

02:06:16.000 And this is early in the match too, man.

02:06:18.000 Look at this.

02:06:19.000 He kind of pulls guard, uses his legs to upset the balance, and then holds him in place with his legs as he spins and takes the back.

02:06:27.000 And then Shaolin is defending the best he can, but Marcelo just...

02:06:31.000 Again, not big arms, but perfect technique.

02:06:34.000 But look at how big his legs are compared to the rest of his body.

02:06:39.000 Enormous.

02:06:39.000 And he used those legs...

02:06:41.000 He uses those legs to transition, he uses those legs to enter into techniques, and he uses those legs as control when he gets a hold of a guy.

02:06:48.000 And by the way, couldn't be a nicer human being.

02:06:52.000 He's like one of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life.

02:06:55.000 He's so friendly and smiling.

02:06:57.000 You would never imagine. 0.99

02:06:58.000 He's a savage. 1.00

02:06:59.000 If there was him and a couple of the fucking Jack Buff dudes, he'd be like, which one of these guys is the biggest killer? 1.00

02:07:05.000 You'd be like, oh, that guy with the fucking big shoulders. 0.99

02:07:07.000 I'm like, no, no, no. 1.00

02:07:08.000 This guy, this mousy-looking fellow, who's always smiling, he'll fucking kill everybody in this room. 1.00

02:07:13.000 And his pants on so you can't even see that he's got fucking lethal weapon legs. 0.99

02:07:17.000 They're just like, they're like Herschel Walker's legs in a 5'6 guy. 0.99

02:07:20.000 Yeah.

02:07:21.000 It doesn't even make any sense.

02:07:22.000 And he, man, watching him in Abu Dhabi, I've seen him several times compete, watching him live is something special.

02:07:29.000 Because it's just like, the transition is so smooth.

02:07:33.000 His attack is so smooth.

02:07:35.000 And it's so technique-based.

02:07:36.000 And he has just a few techniques that he hits over and over and over and over and over again.

02:07:41.000 And everybody knew he wanted your back.

02:07:42.000 Everybody knew he wants your back.

02:07:44.000 Good luck stopping it.

02:07:45.000 He could get to that back so quickly.

02:07:48.000 I can't believe he did that in that That melee.

02:07:51.000 I know.

02:07:52.000 That's incredible.

02:07:53.000 Wild scramble.

02:07:54.000 Yeah.

02:07:54.000 I mean, we were all like, whoa, who is this guy?

02:07:57.000 And we knew that he was from Fabio Gurgel's school.

02:08:01.000 Fabio Gurgel is a very famous Brazilian jiu-jitsu, a real legend, early pioneer.

02:08:06.000 So everybody knew he was well-instructed, but just like, why didn't we know about this guy?

02:08:11.000 How come out of nowhere he's strangling everybody and he wins Abu Dhabi?

02:08:16.000 It was wild.

02:08:17.000 Yeah.

02:08:18.000 Jiu-Jitsu is just so amazing.

02:08:21.000 It's one martial art where it does what a martial art is supposed to do.

02:08:26.000 What a martial art is supposed to be is that a smaller man with good technique can beat a larger man.

02:08:31.000 And that kind of can work in other martial arts, but...

02:08:34.000 Man, that smaller guy's got to be so much better.

02:08:36.000 In striking, the smaller man has to be so much better.

02:08:42.000 Like, Logan Paul is going to fight Floyd Mayweather.

02:08:45.000 Logan Paul is a big guy. 0.98

02:08:47.000 He's like, what is he, like 6'2"-ish, somewhere around that range, 200 pounds, lean, fucking strapping kid. 0.94

02:08:56.000 Floyd is, at his best, he was 147, 154. He's a tiny guy. 0.98

02:09:01.000 He's not a big guy.

02:09:02.000 He's small hands.

02:09:03.000 But everyone's betting on Floyd.

02:09:05.000 Even though he's literally 50 pounds lighter than this guy.

02:09:08.000 Because he's so much better.

02:09:11.000 Is there a puncher's chance in that situation?

02:09:13.000 Yes.

02:09:14.000 It's a low percentage.

02:09:17.000 Like, you wouldn't want to bet it.

02:09:18.000 You might want to bet it for a goof.

02:09:20.000 But I mean, I would imagine.

02:09:22.000 Let me guess what the odds are.

02:09:23.000 Is it a professional fight?

02:09:23.000 No.

02:09:24.000 I believe they're calling it an exhibition.

02:09:27.000 Look, come on. 1.00

02:09:28.000 Logan Paul's fucking thick. 1.00

02:09:30.000 I met the dude in person. 1.00

02:09:31.000 I met him in Hawaii.

02:09:35.000 It was right after he had that boxing match with KSI. He was vacationing in the same place I was with my family, and all of a sudden I get this tap on my shoulder.

02:09:43.000 I'm like, what's up, dude?

02:09:45.000 He is not the same guy that just...

02:09:47.000 No, that's his brother Jake.

02:09:48.000 Okay.

02:09:49.000 Jake is allegedly the more talented boxer.

02:09:52.000 He certainly has preposterous knockout power. 1.00

02:09:55.000 He can knock motherfuckers out. 1.00

02:09:56.000 You can't sleep on that guy just because he's a YouTube star and he talks a lot of shit, but they're training together there. 0.99

02:10:03.000 But Logan is the guy who's fighting Floyd, and Floyd is considerably smaller than him, and I would imagine the odds... 0.92

02:10:12.000 I must say 20 to 1. Right.

02:10:14.000 That he wins.

02:10:16.000 That Floyd wins.

02:10:17.000 No, Floyd.

02:10:18.000 That Floyd Mayweather wins.

02:10:20.000 20 to 1. That Floyd wins.

02:10:21.000 Yeah, Floyd is the favorite.

02:10:23.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:10:24.000 In a big, big, big, big way.

02:10:25.000 Oh, 20 to 1 against.

02:10:27.000 Yes.

02:10:27.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:10:28.000 Is that right?

02:10:30.000 See? 1.00

02:10:31.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

02:10:31.000 I know my shit. 1.00

02:10:32.000 I'm a professional. 1.00

02:10:33.000 Not really.

02:10:35.000 But you know a lot about this kind of thing.

02:10:37.000 I know about that kind of thing.

02:10:38.000 I know about like, hmm, it might happen. 0.99

02:10:40.000 Weird shit can happen. 0.99

02:10:41.000 So if I was for a goof, I want to bet 50 bucks, I might put 50 bucks on the kid. 0.99

02:10:47.000 I'm not such a boxing fan.

02:10:49.000 I really think...

02:10:50.000 You had it right.

02:10:51.000 20 to 1 actually for Floyd to win.

02:10:52.000 So you have to bet 2,000 to win 100. Yeah.

02:10:56.000 Wow.

02:10:57.000 It's 9 to 1 for Logan to win.

02:10:58.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 So you bet...

02:11:00.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:11:02.000 $10, you win $90?

02:11:03.000 So 9-1 for Logan to win, but 20-1 for Floyd to win.

02:11:06.000 $100 pays $900, but if you want to win $100 on Floyd, you've got to bet $2,000.

02:11:10.000 Okay, so they're making it difficult.

02:11:12.000 Yeah.

02:11:14.000 Somebody's going to make a lot of money.

02:11:15.000 Yeah, if you want to bet a million bucks, yeah, you'll make some money, but you might sweat it.

02:11:22.000 No, but I think the odds makers are making money with that differential, right?

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 Joey Diaz always says, I never met a bookie with a part-time job.

02:11:32.000 The thing that could happen, and this is very unlikely to happen, but what could happen is if Logan holds him and hits him and hurts him.

02:11:41.000 So if there's a moment in an exchange where Logan, who is a very good wrestler, I mean a very good wrestler.

02:11:49.000 We saw him wrestle Paulo Costa who's a UFC middleweight contender and you watch the scrambles like he was controlling Costa and they scrambled he was keeping up with Costa but you watched him move and you're like man this kid can fucking wrestle and Floyd is not like this one punch obliterating knockout power puncher and then he's also 50 pounds lighter so the The weirdness...

02:12:13.000 What's the weirdest thing that can happen?

02:12:15.000 Is Logan could somehow or another tie him up and clip him.

02:12:19.000 Like, really hard.

02:12:20.000 Because he's a big guy. 1.00

02:12:22.000 If I was his coach, I'd be like, listen, motherfucker. 0.99

02:12:25.000 You are not outboxing the greatest boxer of all time. 0.99

02:12:28.000 What we're going to do is we're going to cover up.

02:12:30.000 We're going to cheat. 0.99

02:12:31.000 We're going to maul this guy. 0.99

02:12:33.000 A lot of shoulders. 0.99

02:12:33.000 Yeah, we're going to maul him. 0.99

02:12:34.000 We're going to push him around. 0.52

02:12:35.000 I want you to hold him.

02:12:37.000 And I would say...

02:12:39.000 Plant your feet and push him over your knee. 1.00

02:12:43.000 He might twist his ankle and fuck his knee up. 1.00

02:12:45.000 And we're going to mug him in the clinch. 0.99

02:12:48.000 That's the thing.

02:12:49.000 Cover up and mug him in the clinch. 1.00

02:12:51.000 Because this is a poppy with a jab.

02:12:53.000 Keep moving. 0.63

02:12:54.000 Throw a punch.

02:12:55.000 But don't throw a punch like you've been trying to hit him.

02:12:57.000 Just get close.

02:12:58.000 When he's throwing a punch at you, close the distance.

02:13:00.000 Actually, close the distance and tie him up. 0.99

02:13:02.000 And just fucking try to whale him in the clinch. 1.00

02:13:05.000 Because that's the only time you're going to hit him. 0.99

02:13:07.000 I'm now nervous for...

02:13:08.000 I'm nervous for Mayweather.

02:13:11.000 Now I'm scared.

02:13:11.000 Now I want to bet Logan.

02:13:13.000 I would never train a guy like him if I was a trainer.

02:13:18.000 I would never train a guy like him to try to box with Floyd.

02:13:20.000 I'm like, you are not going to be on the outside trying to outmaneuver literally the slickest boxer that's ever walked the face of the earth.

02:13:27.000 Do you get broken up if you get an underhook?

02:13:30.000 It depends on the referee.

02:13:32.000 That's the thing.

02:13:33.000 Some referees say, fight through it, fight through it, and it really depends on whatever rules they develop specifically for this one sort of understanding.

02:13:42.000 I know there was some specific understandings for the Conor McGregor fight.

02:13:45.000 When Conor fought Floyd, if he did anything that was MMA-related, like if he tried to take him down or kick him or something like that, I think he would lose all his money or be fined a million dollars.

02:13:57.000 I went to that fight.

02:13:58.000 Did you?

02:13:58.000 And I was waiting for a leg kick.

02:14:02.000 I was thinking, you're going to get pissed off and body slam the guy.

02:14:07.000 He could have if he wanted to, but I think he had an opportunity to win $100 million.

02:14:12.000 Right.

02:14:12.000 And that's what he got.

02:14:13.000 And he risked everything.

02:14:14.000 He made $100 million in that fight, which is so crazy.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:14:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:14:19.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99

02:14:21.000 I mean, that fight made Conor McGregor so fucking rich. 0.99

02:14:25.000 And he did catch Floyd. 0.98

02:14:27.000 That's what's crazy. 0.99

02:14:28.000 When he clipped him with that uppercut in the first round, Floyd was like, oh shit, this guy can strike. 0.96

02:14:34.000 But Conor's used to being a sniper and using all his other tools, like kicks and kicking the legs and Jabbing the body with that front kick that he likes to throw. 0.98

02:14:47.000 For him to just use his hands only He can kind of get things off until Floyd figures out his timing and then once Floyd figured out the timing then Floyd was just not there when those punches land and then Conor's punches became more and more labored and Floyd just dragged him into the later rounds and started fucking him up.

02:15:04.000 Do you think that's like the worst thing that can happen for a fighter like a fighter like Conor who I remember watching a video on him before he maybe his first UFC fight when they followed him around Ireland he was he did not have much money at all Poor kid,

02:15:22.000 training, hungry.

02:15:24.000 To go from that to making $100 million in a boxing match, where as long as he doesn't kick the guy, he makes a fortune, is maybe the worst thing.

02:15:35.000 I mean, for a guy who still seems at times like he wants to fight, for that, for that sport, for mixed martial arts, having so much seems to be working against him.

02:15:50.000 No?

02:15:51.000 It can.

02:15:53.000 It can.

02:15:54.000 There's no absolutes.

02:15:56.000 Here's the thing you have to think.

02:15:57.000 Floyd Mayweather fucked him up with like a half a billion in the bank. 0.89

02:16:00.000 Right. 0.95

02:16:01.000 Think about that.

02:16:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:16:02.000 Because Floyd Mayweather, when they did fight, Floyd Mayweather was rich as fuck and still beat his ass. 1.00

02:16:09.000 Way richer than Conor. 1.00

02:16:10.000 Then Conor became after the fight.

02:16:12.000 Yeah.

02:16:13.000 It's not an absolute thing.

02:16:16.000 Some people, like Michael Jordan, famously, it didn't matter if he was rich.

02:16:22.000 He wanted to win.

02:16:23.000 Right.

02:16:23.000 At anything.

02:16:24.000 Yeah.

02:16:25.000 Some people are just winners.

02:16:26.000 Playing war with a deck of cards.

02:16:28.000 He wants to win.

02:16:30.000 Yeah.

02:16:30.000 You beat him and he won't talk to you for two weeks.

02:16:32.000 Right.

02:16:33.000 That was Michael Jordan.

02:16:34.000 And there's guys like that in everything.

02:16:38.000 And I think Floyd is like that in boxing.

02:16:41.000 Some guys do, while saying that, while acknowledging that, some guys do get soft, though.

02:16:48.000 Most guys get soft.

02:16:50.000 Like, I don't remember who said it, who the quote was, but it's hard to be a savage when you're sleeping on silk sheets.

02:16:56.000 Right.

02:16:57.000 Yeah.

02:16:57.000 I think about it, and I only bring it up because...

02:17:03.000 No, it's good.

02:17:23.000 To keep it off.

02:17:24.000 It could have just been that my goal wasn't to lose 100 pounds and keep it off for 5 years or 10 years or 20 years or whatever or lose 100 pounds for life.

02:17:34.000 My goals were literally just I'm going to do this diet for 4 months.

02:17:38.000 And so I think about like a guy...

02:17:42.000 And I have no idea what Conor's goals are, but a guy like that who goes like, I'm gonna make $100 million.

02:17:47.000 Once you make $100 million, you gotta set new fucking goals, because he's not fighting the same way that he was, at least in UFC, prior to that.

02:17:58.000 Well, yes and no. 0.97

02:17:59.000 Because he was fighting the same way when he fought Cowboy Cerrone. 1.00

02:18:03.000 When he fucked Cowboy up, he was rich as shit. 0.99

02:18:05.000 You have to realize he had $100 million in the bank and he knocked Cowboy's block off. 1.00

02:18:09.000 That's true.

02:18:12.000 That fight, it's hard to judge him based on the Dustin Poirier fight because most people tend to look at the end result.

02:18:20.000 You tend to look at how it went down and how the fight ended.

02:18:23.000 And if you look at how the fight ended, you go, oh, Conor Soft.

02:18:27.000 But when I look at it as an analyst, I look at it from the beginning to the end.

02:18:32.000 And one of the best ways to look at it is my brother Daniel Cormier has a thing on ESPN called Detail about that fight.

02:18:41.000 And he shows the first fight, and he shows the second fight, and he shows the adjustments that Dustin Poirier made, and then he shows the difference between the way Conor fought the first fight and Conor fought the second fight.

02:18:53.000 And one of the things is Dustin started kicking the low calf instead of the thigh.

02:18:58.000 In the first fight he kicked the thigh.

02:19:00.000 It's way easier to absorb a few hard kicks to the thigh than it is a few hard kicks to the calf.

02:19:06.000 The calf, it becomes debilitating almost immediately.

02:19:09.000 One or two good shins slamming into your calf. 0.51

02:19:13.000 There's just not enough meat there. 0.71

02:19:15.000 There's a thing called compartment syndrome that happens where your blood pools up in the leg There's a guy, you want to get grossed out?

02:19:24.000 There's a guy named Austin Hubbard who fought in the UFC. Google compartment syndrome Austin Hubbard.

02:19:30.000 He had a fight in the UFC and he got his legs kicked to high heaven and afterwards they swelled up so bad they had to split his leg like a banana.

02:19:41.000 To drain it?

02:19:42.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

02:19:43.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

02:19:45.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

02:19:46.000 So Austin has this enormous scar leading down his leg, but that's what they had to do with his leg. 1.00

02:19:55.000 So they had to open up.

02:19:56.000 His leg was enormously swollen.

02:19:57.000 And they couldn't sew it up, so they have a wound vac sucking the liquid away.

02:20:01.000 Exactly.

02:20:02.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:20:02.000 And it was fucking rough, man. 0.99

02:20:05.000 Like, really rough. 0.99

02:20:07.000 And they see him.

02:20:07.000 Go to that picture that you got your cursor on.

02:20:09.000 See?

02:20:10.000 That's what his leg looked like.

02:20:12.000 So he's sitting there in the hospital after the fight.

02:20:15.000 His one leg is...

02:20:17.000 And Austin fights at 155 pounds, I'm pretty sure.

02:20:20.000 And it says welterweight, Austin Hubbard.

02:20:22.000 Yeah, his name has 155 in it.

02:20:24.000 I think he's fighting welterweight and well he's fought both I believe that's what's going on but his leg was twice the size of his other leg just just from swelling and tissue damage and when you get that compartment syndrome they have to alleviate that look at that one picture go back to where you were look at that picture in the middle with the two legs split up I know but look at that that's an example of compartment syndrome So they have to open you up and figure out a way to drain all that shit.

02:20:54.000 So see that? 1.00

02:20:54.000 That's in the calf. 1.00

02:20:56.000 And the compartment syndrome in the calf, it happens even more often for whatever reason.

02:21:03.000 I spent a lot of time with a wound vac.

02:21:06.000 Yeah?

02:21:06.000 I have a disgusting story.

02:21:08.000 I don't have pictures to show you.

02:21:10.000 Not that I would show them if I had the pictures.

02:21:13.000 But I had loose skin removed in 2008. Or maybe 2007. Anyway, somewhere around there.

02:21:22.000 And they tell you, like, you can't move for a while.

02:21:26.000 You gotta sit around.

02:21:27.000 I had a full cut all the way around 11 pounds of skin.

02:21:31.000 Yeah.

02:21:33.000 Think of 11 pounds of brisket.

02:21:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:35.000 It's a fucking big brisket, dude. 1.00

02:21:37.000 And this was just flat. 0.99

02:21:38.000 It puts the lotion in the basket's skin. 0.73

02:21:41.000 Do you have photos of the skin?

02:21:44.000 Not accessible right now.

02:21:46.000 If I do, they're on a disc somewhere.

02:21:49.000 I did.

02:21:50.000 I did.

02:21:51.000 I actually...

02:21:52.000 I don't know why I want to say it.

02:21:55.000 I will send you pictures.

02:21:56.000 Let's Google skin removal operation. 0.95

02:22:00.000 If you want to get really gross, and I don't talk about this much because it seems to put people off, but when I was going to have the skin surgery, I told the doctor that I wanted to tan the skin and make trinkets for my friends.

02:22:14.000 And he was so offended by this.

02:22:17.000 He was so gross.

02:22:18.000 And I was like, it's like the most loving gift I can imagine giving somebody, literally a piece of myself. 0.95

02:22:24.000 And he was like, I'm Jewish.

02:22:26.000 This offends me on so many levels.

02:22:28.000 And I was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, but I don't want to do anything to somebody else that's bad and all of that.

02:22:34.000 What about being Jewish makes that? 0.80

02:22:36.000 He was like, they made lampshades out of my people. 0.98

02:22:40.000 And I was like, okay, I don't want to do that.

02:22:42.000 I want to make keychain bangles for my friends.

02:22:46.000 That's a different thing.

02:22:47.000 It's a different thing.

02:22:49.000 Also illegal in California.

02:22:51.000 To make keychains out of your skin?

02:22:53.000 To give somebody their skin.

02:22:55.000 You can't do it.

02:22:55.000 What about toenails?

02:22:57.000 Toenails?

02:22:57.000 That's what...

02:22:58.000 I mean, I said I got my wisdom teeth.

02:22:59.000 When I had my wisdom teeth pulled, they handed me my wisdom teeth.

02:23:02.000 I didn't understand.

02:23:04.000 We're very specific.

02:23:04.000 We're very specific about what you can keep and not keep.

02:23:06.000 Skin is off limits.

02:23:08.000 So I donated it to burn research.

02:23:11.000 But...

02:23:12.000 I had so much anxiety about sitting still and gaining weight while I was sitting still that I didn't sit still and I fell and tore my side open and had to have a wound vac just like that gentleman for a long time because they can't sew you back up and it fills with fluid and you have to constantly suck the fluid away from the wound.

02:23:34.000 Why couldn't they sew you back up?

02:23:37.000 I don't know.

02:23:38.000 I don't know.

02:23:40.000 But I did so much damage falling and tearing my side open that they had one of those wound vacs, yeah.

02:23:47.000 How long did that last for?

02:23:49.000 Months.

02:23:50.000 That's the best I could find.

02:23:51.000 There's some skin that they removed from somebody. 0.99

02:23:54.000 Fucking A, man. 0.99

02:23:56.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:23:57.000 That could be 11 pounds.

02:23:58.000 I mean, that looks like a lot of skin.

02:24:00.000 It looks a lot.

02:24:02.000 How long was the healing process from all this?

02:24:08.000 The entire last season of My Name is Earl, I wore a wound vac that I would take off as we would start rolling.

02:24:16.000 So it was months and months and months.

02:24:18.000 It wouldn't have been if I hadn't have fallen and injured myself.

02:24:21.000 How long would it have been if you hadn't fallen?

02:24:24.000 Three or four months.

02:24:25.000 Even then?

02:24:27.000 That's so long.

02:24:28.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 You know, the thing that really scares people about injuries is infections.

02:24:33.000 Yeah.

02:24:34.000 So you had to worry about staph and things along those lines, or MRSA, which is really scary.

02:24:38.000 Oh, I was on heavy-duty antibiotics, Levoquin, the whole time, just to kill bacteria as it came up, in case it was like something I had to take every day, no matter what, in case an infection happened.

02:24:53.000 Wow. 0.85

02:24:54.000 Yeah, it sucked. 0.92

02:24:55.000 And that wears you out too, right? 0.53

02:24:57.000 Antibiotics just make you so tired.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, it was not something I would consider doing again, though I've been a healthy weight with excess skin for years now.

02:25:08.000 Gordon Ryan was in here the other day, who's the greatest jiu-jitsu grappler of all time, right?

02:25:13.000 He's a young kid.

02:25:15.000 25!

02:25:15.000 You think he's the greatest of all time?

02:25:17.000 Of all time.

02:25:18.000 Really?

02:25:19.000 Yeah, he's the best.

02:25:19.000 Really?

02:25:20.000 Yeah, he's the best.

02:25:21.000 I know who he is, I just can't believe, already at 25, he beats everyone.

02:25:25.000 This is the consensus.

02:25:26.000 How do we get, like, Hickson versus him?

02:25:30.000 Well, he's a lot bigger than Hickson, first of all, but obviously Hickson is long past his time.

02:25:37.000 It's a different world.

02:25:39.000 He taps big, giant Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champions, and he puts them in bad situations and taps them like it's nothing. 0.99

02:25:48.000 I'm not talking shit and saying he's not great. 0.97

02:25:51.000 I'm just saying the greatest of all time is 25. It's extraordinary. 0.99

02:25:55.000 It's very unusual.

02:25:56.000 You were doing jiu-jitsu when he was two years old.

02:25:58.000 Exactly.

02:25:59.000 Yeah.

02:26:00.000 He learned from John Donaher, who's probably the greatest mind in combat sports alive today.

02:26:08.000 Not probably.

02:26:08.000 I think he is.

02:26:10.000 You know, and when I found out that John Donaher, Gary Tonin, who is also one of the greatest grapplers alive, is also a John Donaher student, has entered into One FC, which is a mixed martial arts organization in Asia, and he's been incredibly successful.

02:26:26.000 And then I was like, well, who's his striking coach?

02:26:29.000 And Gordon's like, John Donaher's his striking coach as well.

02:26:32.000 And I was like, what?!

02:26:34.000 And then I realized, like, holy shit! 0.99

02:26:36.000 You're talking about a guy who used to teach philosophy at Columbia and then became obsessed with Jiu Jitsu. 0.99

02:26:42.000 Doesn't have a family, doesn't have a girlfriend.

02:26:44.000 All he does is train fighters and study tape.

02:26:48.000 And I get a chance to talk to him this past weekend. 0.98

02:26:51.000 And every time I talk to him, I'm reminded, like, how fucking brilliant the guy is. 0.76

02:26:55.000 He's an extraordinary person. 0.78

02:26:57.000 And Gordon, who is a great athlete, who has incredible dedication and discipline, was trained by the greatest mind in combat sports alive today.

02:27:07.000 And maybe the greatest ever.

02:27:09.000 How about that?

02:27:11.000 John Donahue might be the greatest mind in combat sports ever.

02:27:14.000 And the two of them together, unstoppable combination.

02:27:17.000 So you have genetics.

02:27:18.000 He's a big, strong, tall kid who grew up doing jiu-jitsu, right?

02:27:23.000 Starts jiu-jitsu when he was a kid.

02:27:25.000 And then finds John Donaher and trains seven days a week.

02:27:30.000 And when he's not training, he's studying tape, and he's examining moves and going over things, and he's just fully dedicated.

02:27:38.000 They don't take any days off, man.

02:27:39.000 That's one of the things we talked about.

02:27:41.000 I'm like, no days off?

02:27:43.000 No, when I'm tired, I just train light. 0.99

02:27:45.000 I'm like, what in the fuck? 0.99

02:27:47.000 He's like, yeah, I might go in and get tapped a few times, but who gives a shit? 1.00

02:27:50.000 If I'm worn out, I just go in and I keep training. 0.88

02:27:53.000 He hasn't had an MMA fight.

02:27:55.000 He has not yet, but he has signed for 1FC, exclusive for MMA, and they might put him in grappling matches in 1FC as well.

02:28:03.000 1FC is a really interesting organization because they have kickboxing, They have Muay Thai, so they have regular kickboxing with gloves, with big gloves, boxing gloves.

02:28:13.000 They have kickboxing with small gloves.

02:28:15.000 They have Muay Thai with small gloves.

02:28:17.000 They have MMA, and apparently they're going to have grappling as well.

02:28:22.000 So they're going to give away a grappling belt, same way they have 1FC belts for all these other disciplines.

02:28:27.000 Did 1FC grow out of Strikeforce?

02:28:29.000 No.

02:28:30.000 No, Strikeforce was purchased by the UFC. Oh.

02:28:32.000 When was that?

02:28:33.000 A long time ago.

02:28:34.000 Okay.

02:28:35.000 Yeah, UFC bought Strikeforce back in the early 2000s, I believe, because Ronda Rousey actually came from Strikeforce.

02:28:42.000 Okay.

02:28:42.000 Yeah.

02:28:43.000 So when he does do MMA, if he does do MMA, he has to do it with 1FC. That's where his contract lies.

02:28:51.000 Right.

02:28:52.000 The contract allows him to grapple with 1FC but grapple everywhere else as well.

02:28:56.000 And the conversation we were having was he's having a hard time getting opponents.

02:29:01.000 For grappling.

02:29:03.000 For grappling.

02:29:03.000 Because no one wants to get manhandled.

02:29:05.000 They get manhandled.

02:29:06.000 Why did I say that that way?

02:29:08.000 Manhandled.

02:29:08.000 He doesn't just manhandle guys.

02:29:10.000 He tells you how he's going to tap them.

02:29:13.000 Like he fought Wagner Rocha and he wrote on a piece of paper He wrote a triangle and he handed it to the guys who are doing commentary and he said, open this envelope up after the match is over.

02:29:30.000 That's crazy.

02:29:32.000 And he's fighting a world-class guy.

02:29:35.000 Wagner's a world-class guy. 0.98

02:29:36.000 He fights this guy, triangles him, and he said he was going to manhandle him for a long time because apparently the guy fucked with him when he was 19. He's going to manhandle him for a long time and then triangle him, and that's exactly what he did. 0.98

02:29:50.000 And they had a match a long time ago.

02:29:53.000 And the difference between, like several years ago, the difference between that match and today is stark.

02:30:00.000 Like, Gordon is that much better.

02:30:01.000 He continues to grow at this crazy rate and get better at this crazy rate.

02:30:06.000 These other guys are recognizing, like, not only is he the best guy alive...

02:30:12.000 But he's so much better than he was a year ago.

02:30:14.000 He's so much better than he was a year before that.

02:30:16.000 He's better than he was six weeks ago.

02:30:18.000 He just keeps getting better.

02:30:19.000 And he's only 25. So when you're 25, you just keep getting better.

02:30:22.000 And he's training seven days a fucking week. 0.98

02:30:25.000 He gets up in the morning, he lifts weights, he does MMA training, and then he does jiu-jitsu, and then he eats, and he goes to sleep, and he does it all over again. 0.98

02:30:33.000 And they moved to Puerto Rico so they could do it because New York City was shutting down the gyms.

02:30:38.000 So they're like, okay, we'll go over here.

02:30:40.000 They're like, we're not going to stop.

02:30:42.000 We're not going to take a year off. 0.99

02:30:44.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:30:45.000 So they just went to Puerto Rico. 0.98

02:30:47.000 That's exciting.

02:30:47.000 I can't wait to see him fight MMA. I'm excited about that, but honestly, I'm just as excited about him fighting and grappling.

02:30:56.000 But like who?

02:30:57.000 Who do you want to see him fight? 0.97

02:30:58.000 That's what's interesting.

02:31:00.000 With one FC, I think they have a promotional machine behind them with financial backing that might incentivize people to compete against him.

02:31:09.000 So they might be able to talk some other elite grapplers who are also heavyweights to get in there and risk getting tapped.

02:31:17.000 Because this is what they wanted to avoid. 0.87

02:31:19.000 Because he had a match with Cyborg, Roberto Abreu, who's a huge fucking powerhouse of a man. 0.80

02:31:29.000 Multiple time world champion. 0.67

02:31:31.000 And Cyborg is widely respected as being one of the top grapplers alive.

02:31:36.000 Gordon trapped him early on, got him in a heel hook and tapped him out. 0.98

02:31:41.000 And when people saw Cyborg get tapped out so easily by Gordon, they're like, holy shit! 0.97

02:31:47.000 It just changed the game. 0.88

02:31:50.000 How big is he?

02:31:51.000 Cyborg 240?

02:31:53.000 Gordon 220?

02:31:54.000 Oh, he's really big.

02:31:55.000 He's big.

02:31:55.000 He's a big kid.

02:31:56.000 And this is the thing.

02:31:58.000 We got to Gordon from this conversation about staph infection.

02:32:02.000 So Gordon had this reoccurring staph infection over and over and over again.

02:32:06.000 He kept taking these antibiotics and he developed a stomach issue.

02:32:08.000 I forget what it's called.

02:32:10.000 But the stomach issue does not allow him to consume...

02:32:14.000 A bunch of different foods without getting nauseous.

02:32:16.000 He's nauseous all the time.

02:32:17.000 Really?

02:32:18.000 Yeah, he can only consume small amounts of food, too.

02:32:21.000 And to maintain his mass to be 220 pounds, he's got to eat a lot of food.

02:32:27.000 He can only eat white rice, chicken, fish, and a couple other things.

02:32:32.000 And no oils or greases or anything like that.

02:32:35.000 I mean, in fairness, that sounds like a pretty healthy diet.

02:32:38.000 Not a bad diet, but he can't eat the amount that he wants.

02:32:42.000 What's it called?

02:32:44.000 Gastroparesis.

02:32:44.000 Paresis?

02:32:46.000 Gastroparesis.

02:32:46.000 So this is it, which means partial paralysis of the stomach is a disease which the stomach cannot empty itself of food in a normal way.

02:32:53.000 If you have this condition, damaged nerves and muscles don't function with their normal strength and coordination, slowing the movement of the contents through your digestive system.

02:33:02.000 And they think that that happened because of the continual use of oral antibiotics just over and over and over again.

02:33:10.000 He's on this stuff and it eventually fucked up his stomach.

02:33:13.000 And is the staph infection under control?

02:33:16.000 Staph infection is under control, but now he's got this gastroparesis.

02:33:21.000 Gastroparesis.

02:33:22.000 Still, he can't shake it. 0.99

02:33:23.000 That sucks, dude. 0.99

02:33:24.000 It does suck. 1.00

02:33:24.000 That really sucks. 1.00

02:33:25.000 Still the best. 0.98

02:33:26.000 Still the best.

02:33:27.000 Still the best.

02:33:28.000 He can't eat what he wants, and he's still the best. 0.77

02:33:30.000 Yeah, still with this fucked up stomach thing, because he thinks that if he didn't have the stomach thing, he could, because of his steady weightlifting and everything, he could get up to 240, where he thinks he can dominate people even more. 0.96

02:33:40.000 And he's a big kid. 1.00

02:33:41.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:33:41.000 When you see the size of him, he's a big kid. 1.00

02:33:43.000 I mean, I think it's probably accurate.

02:33:46.000 Yeah, he'd need to eat a lot more, and maybe chicken and rice and vegetables isn't going to cut it.

02:33:51.000 You need to up the fats.

02:33:53.000 You know, larger calories, larger portions, but I love outliers.

02:34:00.000 I really do.

02:34:01.000 I just love exceptional human beings who can figure out things like that.

02:34:05.000 I do too.

02:34:05.000 Gets me excited.

02:34:07.000 I love when there's a dude who's just so far ahead of the curve.

02:34:11.000 Yeah.

02:34:11.000 And when you're talking about Hickson, like that was how everybody felt about Hickson when Hickson was in his prime.

02:34:16.000 And Hickson was the same way.

02:34:18.000 He was training every day.

02:34:19.000 And Hickson's special thing was yoga.

02:34:22.000 Right.

02:34:23.000 Because Hickson had this crazy physicality and flexibility that these other jiu-jitsu guys did not have.

02:34:30.000 And also this insane understanding of positions and insane understanding of the language of the interactions of human bodies in grappling exchanges.

02:34:41.000 He just knew how to grapple in a way that other guys just did not.

02:34:45.000 And a lot of it was just based on repetition over and over and over and over again.

02:34:49.000 And the fact that he was stronger than the other Gracies. 1.00

02:34:52.000 So he got more taps in than they did.

02:34:55.000 And that's how guys get really much better.

02:34:58.000 A guy who's physically stronger and a guy who...

02:35:02.000 Eddie Bravo always says that if you really want to get good, strangle blue belts. 0.99

02:35:08.000 And it's really true.

02:35:09.000 Because you get more taps in when you're doing this.

02:35:12.000 More reps.

02:35:12.000 Yeah, you get more reps in.

02:35:14.000 And that's what happened with Hickson.

02:35:17.000 He was just better than everybody else and more physical.

02:35:20.000 And it's one of the reasons why...

02:35:22.000 There's a couple reasons why Horian Gracie, who created the UFC, wanted Hoist to compete.

02:35:30.000 Rather than Hickson.

02:35:31.000 One was that he couldn't control Hickson because he doesn't listen to anybody but Hickson.

02:35:36.000 And the other one was that Hoist was less physically impressive.

02:35:40.000 Like when you saw Hickson, you've seen Hickson with his shirt off. 0.99

02:35:44.000 I mean, he looks like a fucking assassin. 0.99

02:35:46.000 He looks like an Adonis. 1.00

02:35:47.000 Yeah, I mean, he was beautiful.

02:35:49.000 Yeah, truly beautiful.

02:35:51.000 He had perfect features.

02:35:52.000 He was so handsome.

02:35:54.000 And Hoist, compared to him, was like a scrawny little guy.

02:35:57.000 Yes.

02:35:58.000 So Hoist was a better example, a better demonstration of Jiu-Jitsu.

02:36:04.000 More impressive, certainly.

02:36:05.000 Yeah, in that way. 0.99

02:36:06.000 And the idea was that they would use Hoist until Hoist lost, and if Hoist ever lost, then they bring in Hicks, and then everybody's fucked. 0.99

02:36:14.000 Just assassinate.

02:36:14.000 Yeah, but Hickson went over to Japan and won the Japan Vale Tudo and became a giant star in Japan and then he fought in Coliseum and he fought in Pride and I think Coliseum was his last fight and if I'm gonna be accurate I want to say it was the year 2000. I think that was Hickson's last hurrah.

02:36:34.000 So who today I didn't mean Hickson should fight him now.

02:36:39.000 No, no, of course.

02:36:40.000 But at the time, the version of Hickson versus the version of Gordon Ryan today.

02:36:45.000 And so we can't even play that game.

02:36:47.000 Who today do you want to see Gordon fight?

02:36:51.000 Well, I'd love to see Cyborg again.

02:36:53.000 I think that would be an interesting fight because Cyborg still, now Cyborg and him did have one other match and Cyborg was disqualified for slapping Gordon in the head repeatedly.

02:37:03.000 I saw that.

02:37:04.000 Yeah.

02:37:05.000 Which looked like a fucking bitch thing to do, too, to be honest with you. 1.00

02:37:09.000 You know, guys get frustrated. 0.99

02:37:13.000 They get emotional. 1.00

02:37:14.000 I mean, Gordon talks so much shit, too. 1.00

02:37:16.000 Really? 1.00

02:37:16.000 But meanwhile, it didn't bother him that he was getting smacked. 1.00

02:37:19.000 He just kept rolling.

02:37:19.000 I mean, his ultimate goal was to get Cyborg to engage with him and tap him out again.

02:37:24.000 And Cyborg was very defensive and used a lot of slaps and was very physical.

02:37:31.000 There's some guys.

02:37:34.000 Pena's really good.

02:37:35.000 There's a lot of guys in the heavyweight division that are elite grapplers.

02:37:39.000 But the thing is, a lot of them don't want to risk getting tapped.

02:37:43.000 That's what the thing is.

02:37:45.000 That's the thing.

02:37:45.000 They just don't want to risk having it happen to them what happened to Wagner Rocha.

02:37:50.000 Yeah.

02:37:51.000 But then if they put enough money, people will start to risk that.

02:37:55.000 If they put enough money, and that's the argument about something like 1FC, is that 1FC might have the financial means to goad maybe some judo champions and some elite grapplers in other disciplines, you know, and make it a big deal.

02:38:10.000 And, you know, do it in a stadium.

02:38:12.000 I mean, who knows?

02:38:13.000 Because if you're doing it at one of those big 1FC shows, once they have audiences, again, I don't think they're having...

02:38:20.000 I think the UFC is the first combat sports organization in mixed martial arts, at least, to start having full stadiums again. 0.96

02:38:27.000 And so the one that we did a couple of weeks ago in Jacksonville, Florida, was a full stadium, which is pretty fucking nuts. 0.92

02:38:34.000 Yeah. 0.73

02:38:34.000 It was wild. 0.73

02:38:35.000 I'm so glad it's coming back. 0.94

02:38:36.000 The electricity in the crowd is fucking tangible. 0.94

02:38:39.000 It's crazy. 0.90

02:38:40.000 I liked what they were doing in, was it Dubai or Qatar or something?

02:38:44.000 It was Abu Dhabi.

02:38:45.000 Abu Dhabi?

02:38:46.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 That was awesome, but it definitely felt from an audience perspective to be a little bit lacking without the feeling of a crowd.

02:38:55.000 Yeah.

02:38:55.000 Yeah, well, they kept the sport going, though.

02:38:57.000 That's what they did.

02:38:58.000 Yeah.

02:38:58.000 Yeah, they kept the sport alive, and they allowed fans to come back in a limited capacity in Abu Dhabi for the Conor fight.

02:39:06.000 I forget how many.

02:39:08.000 They had rules.

02:39:09.000 They had to have a negative COVID test either day of or day before or something like that.

02:39:14.000 There were some rules to get in there, and I don't think it was full capacity, but it was quite a few people.

02:39:21.000 But when they fight again, it'll be in July at the T-Mobile Arena in Vegas.

02:39:26.000 And barring some sort of crazy outbreak of COVID again, it should be full capacity.

02:39:32.000 It'll be wild.

02:39:33.000 Yeah, it's exciting.

02:39:34.000 Yeah, it is.

02:39:36.000 It's a crazy sport, man.

02:39:39.000 There's nothing like it.

02:39:39.000 There really is nothing like it.

02:39:41.000 Yeah, I never was super into boxing.

02:39:44.000 It was the only thing that seemed to just be more entertaining.

02:39:49.000 I enjoyed watching it more, and I like combat.

02:39:52.000 Yeah, I like boxing too. 0.82

02:39:55.000 I'm not shitting on boxing. 0.82

02:39:56.000 It just was not me.

02:39:57.000 I know you're not.

02:39:57.000 I like boxing too, but yeah, MMA, it's more dynamic.

02:40:01.000 There's more involved.

02:40:03.000 There's more options.

02:40:04.000 It's more exciting.

02:40:05.000 And it ends more suddenly, more often.

02:40:08.000 Like if you watched the UFC fight last weekend or two weekends ago.

02:40:12.000 Last weekend, this past weekend, this Porhaska.

02:40:16.000 How do you say it?

02:40:18.000 Porhaska.

02:40:19.000 I think that's how you say his name.

02:40:21.000 Yuri Prohaska.

02:40:25.000 Did you see that fight? 0.99

02:40:27.000 Bro, that guy is a monster. 0.99

02:40:30.000 He's a real problem. 0.99

02:40:31.000 He's this guy from the Czech Republic. 0.99

02:40:35.000 This big fucking crazy striker who fights wild and he just comes straight at you and puts it on you in this Wild way where he just throws himself at fighters and forces them into these dogfights. 0.99

02:40:50.000 And he got tagged. 0.99

02:40:52.000 He got rocked in the fight at one point in time, but then he knocked Dominic Reyes out with a spinning elbow.

02:40:56.000 And it was just, I mean, face plant, out cold.

02:40:59.000 And Dominic Reyes is a guy who went five hard rounds with Jon Jones.

02:41:03.000 And then he got stopped by Jan Blachowicz. 0.94

02:41:06.000 And then he got really fucked up by Prochaska. 0.99

02:41:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:11.000 It's going to be fucking wild. 0.92

02:41:13.000 Is Jon Jones going to come back and fight? 0.95

02:41:17.000 Supposedly he's going to fight in the heavyweight division and supposedly he's going to fight Francis Ngannou.

02:41:22.000 But it's not done.

02:41:23.000 It's not done.

02:41:24.000 And Francis Ngannou, if Jon and the UFC don't make...

02:41:28.000 An agreement, then Francis is going to fight Derrick Lewis, who is the last guy to beat him in a decision.

02:41:36.000 That's a fun fight, too. 0.99

02:41:37.000 Fuck, yeah. 1.00

02:41:38.000 Derrick is terrifying. 1.00

02:41:39.000 The beast.

02:41:41.000 Derrick is the only guy that can knock guys out as impressively, maybe even more so, than Francis.

02:41:48.000 Yeah.

02:41:49.000 Because he face-planted Curtis Blaze with one punch.

02:41:52.000 Right.

02:41:52.000 You know, Derek can knock any man out.

02:41:55.000 Any man.

02:41:55.000 Any man alive.

02:41:56.000 He's so big.

02:41:57.000 Derek is huge.

02:41:58.000 Yeah.

02:41:59.000 So he's a natural 265 pounder, too.

02:42:02.000 And he's just got a real knack for knocking people unconscious. 0.99

02:42:06.000 And, you know, what he said about Francis, he said, if we fight again, he's going to knock them the fuck out. 0.99

02:42:10.000 Right. 0.99

02:42:11.000 Which is crazy.

02:42:12.000 If he knocked Francis out, that would be full-on bananas.

02:42:16.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 And, you know, Derek has the ability He really can knock anyone out.

02:42:23.000 And if Francis has to fight Derek, he has to be much more careful than he was against Stipe.

02:42:29.000 Because Derek is a one-punch guy.

02:42:31.000 Like, one punch can change everything.

02:42:33.000 So, that'll be fun.

02:42:35.000 Either way.

02:42:36.000 I'm in for all of them.

02:42:37.000 No matter what.

02:42:38.000 So, why'd you stop?

02:42:39.000 What is this here?

02:42:40.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:41.000 This is the spinning elbow.

02:42:42.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:42:43.000 I mean, fuck, dude. 1.00

02:42:47.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:42:47.000 That's insane. 1.00

02:42:49.000 Yeah, he's something special.

02:42:50.000 It's not just that, man.

02:42:52.000 It's all the other stuff that he did in the fight as well.

02:42:55.000 And it's the pace that he set.

02:42:57.000 He has crazy cardio, and he's a wild guy.

02:43:01.000 Even after the fight, he was upset with himself for getting hit.

02:43:05.000 He's like, oh, I got really caught.

02:43:07.000 I don't think it was a masterpiece. 0.59

02:43:08.000 He was talking crazy.

02:43:10.000 He's a wild, sort of interesting person, the way he thinks and You know, and the way he fights is not like anybody else.

02:43:17.000 Yeah.

02:43:17.000 He just goes right at you.

02:43:19.000 Yeah.

02:43:19.000 He just puts it on you.

02:43:20.000 He's going to give people trouble.

02:43:22.000 He's going to give everybody trouble.

02:43:23.000 Yeah.

02:43:24.000 I mean...

02:43:24.000 Is that his first fight in the UFC? Second fight.

02:43:27.000 Second fight. 0.95

02:43:27.000 Okay. 0.95

02:43:27.000 Yeah, his first fight, he fought Ozdemir. 0.95

02:43:31.000 Volkan Ozdemir. 0.97

02:43:32.000 Knocked him the fuck out, too. 0.99

02:43:33.000 Which is... 0.99

02:43:34.000 Crazy.

02:43:35.000 What is that weight class? 0.83

02:43:36.000 Oztemir's scary.

02:43:36.000 205. 205, okay.

02:43:38.000 Oztemir's scary.

02:43:39.000 Oztemir's a serious knockout puncher, and he slept him.

02:43:42.000 Yeah.

02:43:43.000 I mean, both guys, flatlines him.

02:43:44.000 You seen that fight?

02:43:45.000 I'm looking at his record right now.

02:43:48.000 Everything he has is a KO. Yeah.

02:43:50.000 Wow.

02:43:51.000 One decision here.

02:43:52.000 Yeah.

02:43:53.000 TKO retirement, TKO heading, yeah, everything is chaos. 0.94

02:43:56.000 He's a monster. 0.97

02:43:57.000 He's a monster. 0.99

02:43:58.000 One draw.

02:43:59.000 Super creative.

02:43:59.000 Were you asking why I stopped training?

02:44:01.000 Yeah, why I stopped training.

02:44:02.000 I started training more with force multipliers.

02:44:06.000 So I was doing a TV show and the character I was playing was based on a real dude who his job is to train tier one guys in edge weapons, blades, knives and stuff like that.

02:44:21.000 And Tom Kyer is his name.

02:44:23.000 He's a real guy. 0.97

02:44:24.000 He's fucking awesome. 0.69

02:44:25.000 And I just kind of moved over to the idea... 0.97

02:44:31.000 Obviously, I think that all of this stuff is super beneficial and good to keep up with, but when I think about...

02:44:41.000 Getting into a fight.

02:44:44.000 I have four kids.

02:44:46.000 Two are in college.

02:44:47.000 They're all girls. 0.99

02:44:48.000 I feel very protective of them.

02:44:50.000 But I'm not going to bars and putting myself in situations where I'm going to have like a street fight.

02:44:57.000 And so when I would think about that, I would think, like, what would the circumstances be to require me to have some kind of a physical altercation?

02:45:06.000 And it always came down to their lives, where my wife's life was in danger.

02:45:12.000 And then it just led to, like, the idea of weapons, basically.

02:45:18.000 And so I started training with weapons.

02:45:22.000 You trained with pistols?

02:45:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:45:24.000 I shoot USPSA. Oh, really? 0.67

02:45:26.000 Yeah.

02:45:27.000 Yeah.

02:45:27.000 Oh, wow.

02:45:28.000 So you're serious.

02:45:29.000 I like training.

02:45:32.000 I don't know how serious I am.

02:45:34.000 I also live in California, so everything becomes more difficult out there.

02:45:40.000 Carrying a fixed blade is more illegal than carrying a pistol in California.

02:45:46.000 Is it really?

02:45:47.000 Yeah.

02:45:48.000 Really?

02:45:48.000 Yeah, it's a felony to conceal carry a fixed blade knife.

02:45:55.000 It is a misdemeanor to conceal carry a pistol in California.

02:45:59.000 These are California's laws.

02:46:02.000 So all these things become difficult to train with this stuff, but I also am mostly at my house, and it's not illegal to carry anything at your house.

02:46:10.000 Right.

02:46:11.000 Have you ever gone to, like, a tactical course and done, like, Terran tactical?

02:46:15.000 I haven't done Terran tactical, but I've trained with guys like Bill Rapier, Kyle DeFore.

02:46:21.000 These guys were all in dev group for a long time, and I've trained with those dudes.

02:46:29.000 It's interesting, the attitude about guns in California and how it shifted post-COVID, isn't it?

02:46:37.000 Guns sold out during COVID. By the way, there's a national bullet shortage.

02:46:42.000 Yeah, it's real hard to get bullets.

02:46:43.000 Yeah.

02:46:44.000 Yeah, but wasn't it interesting how, I don't know if this is the case with you, people who never talked about guns all of a sudden started inquiring about guns.

02:46:53.000 And I'm sure if people know that you train with guns, they probably question you about it.

02:46:57.000 Like, hey man, how did I get one?

02:46:59.000 I had a lot of calls like, I should get a gun.

02:47:01.000 I'm going to get a gun.

02:47:02.000 My answer to every one of these people was like, please go do a course first.

02:47:07.000 Go do a gun safety course at least.

02:47:13.000 I'm not even taking a position on what's right and wrong as far as the law goes or if we should have more or less regulations, but...

02:47:22.000 I wanted my friends to at least be able to operate safely before they had it in their house.

02:47:30.000 Yes, and know how to keep it safe.

02:47:32.000 Just make sure that they're locked up and nobody can just get to them easily.

02:47:37.000 All that stuff is very, very tricky. 1.00

02:47:39.000 I had a friend ask me to borrow a gun, and I was like, are you fucking crazy? 1.00

02:47:43.000 There's no way! 0.99

02:47:44.000 Yeah, I've had that conversation too, and many other friends that I have that have had guns have also had those conversations with other people when they've asked them.

02:47:53.000 It's apparently a common thing.

02:47:55.000 You know, I know you have more than one gun. 1.00

02:47:56.000 Like, bitch! 1.00

02:47:58.000 I'm not going to jail. 1.00

02:47:59.000 Yeah, I'm not getting in trouble.

02:48:01.000 Yeah, because that's illegal.

02:48:03.000 It's legal for me to have more than one gun.

02:48:04.000 It's not legal for me to give one to you.

02:48:06.000 Yeah, and I just think a person who has no knowledge or experience with that, I don't want to be a part of handing them something.

02:48:16.000 Just the first time you shoot a gun and you realize how loud it is and how much kick it has, like, ah!

02:48:22.000 Yeah, it's a lot.

02:48:22.000 And you don't even know how to aim it.

02:48:24.000 You need to learn, you know?

02:48:27.000 I remember the first time I ever went to a gun range was actually the first time I moved to California.

02:48:32.000 I bought a gun and went to the range because you couldn't get a gun in New York.

02:48:36.000 It's easier to get a gun out here than it is in New York.

02:48:39.000 When I went to the range, I remember walking in and hearing, Bang!

02:48:45.000 And you're like, whoa!

02:48:47.000 It made you feel so vulnerable.

02:48:49.000 Yeah.

02:48:49.000 And you realize like, wow, that's what bullets sound like.

02:48:53.000 Yeah.

02:48:54.000 Little explosions. 0.99

02:48:55.000 Yeah, little explosions and then once you do it and you pull the trigger a few times and hit targets, you're like, holy shit. 0.98

02:49:02.000 Yeah, it's fun. 0.91

02:49:04.000 You know, this is another place where people get so divided, and I just think it comes down to, like, preferences and values, and I hear people argue about it, and I'm like, sounds like people are arguing about flavors of ice cream to me,

02:49:22.000 because it's like, I like this, I don't like this, and what I like, you should like, and it's, you know, it's a weird thing to think about.

02:49:30.000 Well, people don't like the argument that if you take guns away, then you'll be helpless against a tyrannical government.

02:49:41.000 That is a slippery one with people.

02:49:43.000 They're like, what?

02:49:43.000 Oh, come on.

02:49:44.000 You think that's going to happen?

02:49:45.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:49:47.000 Right.

02:49:47.000 And I'm like, no, I don't think it's going to happen.

02:49:49.000 I like the senator who said the US government has nukes, talking about how people with firearms at home couldn't defend themselves against the US government.

02:50:01.000 And I just wish I could point out to that guy that neither Vietnam or Afghanistan had nukes.

02:50:08.000 They didn't have much of anything, and they seemed to do pretty well against the US government.

02:50:14.000 Yeah, it's a good argument.

02:50:16.000 But Afghanistan, obviously, it's a terrain issue.

02:50:19.000 Right.

02:50:20.000 But they don't have nukes.

02:50:22.000 No.

02:50:23.000 No, but if we used one on Afghanistan, that would be a wrap.

02:50:26.000 Right.

02:50:27.000 I don't think the U.S. government is going to use nukes on U.S. people. 0.99

02:50:31.000 No, it's a dumb argument.

02:50:33.000 But people try to do those things because they're actually trying to run an argument. 0.99

02:50:37.000 They're not trying to be rational.

02:50:38.000 They're trying to say something that would work.

02:50:41.000 Like, ta-da, gotcha!

02:50:42.000 We won, the US government won.

02:50:44.000 Four aces!

02:50:46.000 It's...

02:50:50.000 Sure.

02:50:53.000 Sure.

02:51:03.000 With all sincerity.

02:51:04.000 I'm not being hyperbolic.

02:51:06.000 I'm just looking at what happened over the last year with COVID. And not necessarily even in America.

02:51:12.000 Look what's going on in Canada.

02:51:13.000 When you see 200 cops show up because these people are having a church service and they've decided you can't gather.

02:51:21.000 And so 200 cops show up at a church.

02:51:24.000 What are you doing?

02:51:26.000 What's going on there? 0.99

02:51:28.000 That seems kind of fucking crazy. 0.99

02:51:30.000 It seems like there's an overreach. 0.98

02:51:32.000 And what if this overreach extends?

02:51:35.000 Now we're talking about a disease that kills a very small percentage of people.

02:51:39.000 It's all tragic.

02:51:41.000 Everyone who dies, it's a tragedy.

02:51:43.000 No argument there.

02:51:45.000 Sad, no matter what.

02:51:46.000 But what if it's a disease that kills 10% of the people?

02:51:50.000 What if it's 20?

02:51:51.000 If they see you outside your house, are they going to shoot you to protect other people?

02:51:54.000 Are they going to treat you like you're a zombie?

02:51:55.000 The argument breaks down because we're now worried about the total loss of life.

02:52:03.000 When we had the lockdown, it was because of potential medical infrastructure collapse.

02:52:10.000 That was why we couldn't risk the hospitals being overfilled.

02:52:15.000 Now, I understand that because...

02:52:17.000 If the hospitals, if that infrastructure collapses, that's devastating to the country.

02:52:23.000 78%, and I thought it was 80, you corrected me earlier, 78% of the people who were hospitalized for COVID were obese.

02:52:33.000 We're not allowed to tell anybody to lose weight, but if they did, we would certainly, and I'm not saying it would be one for one, but we would certainly reduce the need for hospitalization.

02:52:45.000 So all of these things are values.

02:52:48.000 Yeah, Bill Maher had a great bit about that.

02:52:50.000 He had a great piece about...

02:52:53.000 Michelle Obama, when Obama was president, Michelle Obama had some get out and move campaign, right? 1.00

02:53:00.000 And that if something similar was employed during the Trump administration, during COVID, we could have gotten people healthier and said, but I don't think they necessarily knew at the time.

02:53:10.000 I think it took a few months before they recognized that obesity was one of the main comorbidity factors.

02:53:16.000 But vitamin D is another big one.

02:53:19.000 And Which they took away by keeping us inside.

02:53:40.000 But vitamin D, in one study at least, 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID had insufficient levels of vitamin D, and only 4% had sufficient levels, which is really crazy.

02:53:52.000 Obviously, it doesn't mean it protects you 100%, but it's a strong factor.

02:53:58.000 And then when you look at the national numbers, I think 79% of the population in total has insufficient levels of vitamin D. It is a real problem because it's a hormone, and it's a hormone that your body best produces when you're out in the sun,

02:54:15.000 but you don't get it any other way unless you supplement.

02:54:17.000 You don't get it from your diet.

02:54:18.000 You don't get it from anything.

02:54:20.000 It doesn't exist in foods.

02:54:21.000 You literally have to take it as a supplement.

02:54:23.000 Why is this not?

02:54:24.000 Exactly.

02:54:26.000 Yeah, why is it not pushed as a value?

02:54:28.000 The New York Times recently had a piece that they put about how people who exercise regularly, it's a strong factor in not having COVID in a severe case and recovering from it quicker.

02:54:42.000 This is another thing that doesn't get discussed.

02:54:45.000 All that gets discussed is locking down, vaccinations, all these different things, when it should be a multi-tiered approach to getting people healthier.

02:54:58.000 But it's hard to tell people to be healthy.

02:55:00.000 It's like what we were talking about before.

02:55:02.000 Hearing you talk about the emotional pain involved in being overweight before you decided to take these incredible steps and this amazing result, it makes you think like, man, it's hard to tell someone, especially someone like me, who's never really been fat,

02:55:18.000 it's hard to tell someone that you have to lose weight.

02:55:22.000 So if the government started doing it, and goddammit, there's so many snowflakes today, If they did start doing it, people would be freaking the fuck out. 0.74

02:55:30.000 Like, what do you say? 0.95

02:55:31.000 You're injuring me with your words!

02:55:33.000 You're causing violence with your words!

02:55:36.000 But did you know that also there's a movement that links the idea of diet culture to racism also?

02:55:44.000 In any form?

02:55:46.000 What?

02:55:48.000 Yeah.

02:55:48.000 How do they do that?

02:55:50.000 Apparently, there was a kind of somewhat of a predilection amongst black men to favor larger women.

02:56:01.000 And so, in order to shame that whole group for their race, this is what the theory is that diet culture grew out of that.

02:56:13.000 Is this part of critical race theory?

02:56:15.000 Yes.

02:56:16.000 Don't they just find everything?

02:56:18.000 I suppose so.

02:56:21.000 I just think it becomes very dangerous to encourage people to lose weight.

02:56:28.000 And for me, I understand, like, health was not my main driving motivation.

02:56:33.000 I mean, today, it's a big part of it.

02:56:37.000 20 years ago, it wasn't even 5%.

02:56:40.000 There's a real problem with, there's a culture of call-out in this country.

02:56:45.000 There's a culture of attack vectors.

02:56:47.000 They're looking for a reason that you're bad or you're wrong or you're guilty or you're responsible for something.

02:56:54.000 Whether you are or you aren't. 0.85

02:56:56.000 And then if you are saying this publicly, and one of the problems with social media is, even if what you're saying doesn't necessarily make sense, you can get enough fucking people to agree with you, and they'll pile on.

02:57:07.000 And then the person who is in this debate is an individual, and they get attacked by enormous amounts of people.

02:57:13.000 And it's a bad proposition.

02:57:16.000 And for the person that gets attacked, it feels like the walls are closing in on you.

02:57:19.000 Like, oh my god.

02:57:20.000 Like, I know people that are like...

02:57:23.000 Very educated, intelligent people.

02:57:26.000 And then they espouse something online that goes against the mob, and they get attacked, and it wrecks them.

02:57:32.000 It wrecks them emotionally.

02:57:33.000 And I've seen it happen.

02:57:35.000 I'm like, man, you've got to stay offline.

02:57:37.000 Just get out of there. 0.77

02:57:38.000 I can't help.

02:57:40.000 I'm to defend myself.

02:57:41.000 But you don't have to defend yourself.

02:57:42.000 I mean, brilliant people who've wrecked vacations because they checked something on Twitter where someone was attacking them, and they spent all their...

02:57:51.000 Vacation time in the hotel room, crafting a response.

02:57:53.000 Like, man, don't do it.

02:57:55.000 Don't do it.

02:57:55.000 But it's a part of this weird culture that we find ourselves in where people realize that's an ineffective thing.

02:58:02.000 If you have an opinion that I don't agree with, we will attack that opinion.

02:58:06.000 And then a bunch of people who agree with your perspective will pile onto it.

02:58:12.000 And it's a natural inclination people have when you see someone vulnerable to pile on.

02:58:16.000 It's an animal thing.

02:58:18.000 You know, you see it with other animals. 0.99

02:58:19.000 When a wolf is cowering from the other wolves, they'll all attack that wolf and fuck it up.

02:58:25.000 It's a natural instinct to see weakness and to attack or to sense vulnerability and attack. 0.87

02:58:31.000 And that is playing itself out in social media.

02:58:34.000 You see it with people.

02:58:35.000 So if someone says that diet culture is racist, and so I agree, and then like, you know, and then next thing you know.

02:58:41.000 Or whatever.

02:58:43.000 It's toxic.

02:58:44.000 Or whatever it is. 0.99

02:58:46.000 Again, I don't give a shit if people want to be overweight and they're overweight. 0.98

02:58:51.000 But for anybody who wants to lose weight and has failed and is struggling, there's a conversation to be had. 0.98

02:59:00.000 There's a conversation to be had, but I think it has to be had maybe through someone who's actually done it.

02:59:05.000 And I think you have an amazing position.

02:59:11.000 What you've done is incredible.

02:59:13.000 It took a long time.

02:59:14.000 It took an amazing amount of work, and it changed who you are as a human being.

02:59:18.000 You're more confident.

02:59:20.000 You have more energy.

02:59:21.000 You're far healthier.

02:59:23.000 You look amazing.

02:59:24.000 And you look at these pictures of who you were and who you are now.

02:59:27.000 You are a guy who can speak to it in a way that I can't, you know?

02:59:33.000 For very fortunate reasons, my family ate healthy when I was young.

02:59:36.000 I have good genetics.

02:59:38.000 And I worked out from the time I was a kid.

02:59:39.000 I've never stopped working out.

02:59:40.000 So I've never really had an issue like that. 0.99

02:59:43.000 But fuck, I could have if I was you. 0.99

02:59:45.000 That's like what we were talking about earlier. 1.00

02:59:47.000 Like when someone said, I can never do what you do.

02:59:49.000 But you could if you were me.

02:59:51.000 And that's Sapolsky.

02:59:52.000 That's determinism.

02:59:53.000 And it's real, man.

02:59:55.000 It's hard for people to recognize that.

02:59:56.000 But I think...

02:59:58.000 Overall, in general, we need to be way more compassionate with each other, and one way is to recognize that you don't exist the way you are because you just decide this is the way to be, and it's real clear, 0.60

03:00:13.000 and I'm gonna fuck people over, and I'm gonna do this, and this is who I am. 0.96

03:00:17.000 Period. 1.00

03:00:17.000 Fuck off. 1.00

03:00:18.000 No, you just become that person over a long period of time. 1.00

03:00:22.000 And I was explaining this to someone recently, and I've said it more than once, but it bears repeating that when I had children, it changed who I am as a person because then I started to think of people as babies.

03:00:38.000 We're good to go. 0.98

03:00:57.000 And then, you know, maybe he fucking got arrested and did time in jail for something he didn't do, and next thing you know, here's Tom, the 40-year-old asshole that's giving me a hard time at the gas station, and I'm thinking about flatlining Tom. 1.00

03:01:10.000 Like, motherfucker. 1.00

03:01:11.000 Like, you think of people as who they are now. 1.00

03:01:16.000 Yeah.

03:01:17.000 You know, and I think we would all be better off if we just recognized that, like, everybody's path is different. 0.77

03:01:23.000 And if someone came out fucked up, there's that old saying, right? 0.94

03:01:26.000 Hurt people hurt people. 1.00

03:01:27.000 That shit's real. 1.00

03:01:28.000 It is. 1.00

03:01:29.000 My fear with determination and I... Determinism?

03:01:33.000 Determinism, sorry.

03:01:34.000 And I think with it all the time.

03:01:38.000 It doesn't absolve you.

03:01:40.000 Exactly.

03:01:41.000 It can be this thing where I go like, well, my experience has led me to here, so this is it.

03:01:47.000 And I think that you can create experiences that can lead you in another direction.

03:01:57.000 Gurdjieff is a philosopher who talked about the eyes, how we're not just a singular thing.

03:02:02.000 I have, not in a schizophrenic way, but many voices in my head at all times saying, like, drink this water.

03:02:10.000 Don't drink this water.

03:02:11.000 Have a nicotine mint.

03:02:12.000 You want a McRib?

03:02:13.000 The McRib is bad.

03:02:14.000 Eat the McRib.

03:02:15.000 No, I'm going to have chicken and rice.

03:02:17.000 These voices exist.

03:02:19.000 So make a decision and pick an eye.

03:02:23.000 And then there are various ways that we can go about accomplishing stuff if we don't try to accomplish everything in a day, I think.

03:02:33.000 So I get scared and I don't think this is the point of Sapolsky, but I think it's easy to hear that and to go like, everything led me to this point.

03:02:44.000 I'm a product of all of this.

03:02:46.000 I cannot beat it.

03:02:48.000 That's my fear with that.

03:02:50.000 And so I go like, there's got to be some middle ground between the two, between free will and recognizing all of that.

03:02:58.000 It really does.

03:02:59.000 Yeah.

03:02:59.000 And I think that's also where communication comes in.

03:03:04.000 And that recognition that human beings don't exist in a vacuum.

03:03:08.000 We're all in this together.

03:03:09.000 And we need each other to check each other, to recognize when our behavior is off, and then to be kind about it.

03:03:17.000 To let people know, like, hey, you've made a mistake here. 0.99

03:03:21.000 You fucked this up.

03:03:22.000 And for that person to recognize that this person is reaching out with kindness and then respond in turn with kindness and say, I'm really sorry. 0.98

03:03:29.000 I didn't mean to.

03:03:31.000 I understand that I did something incorrect.

03:03:33.000 And we can do that.

03:03:35.000 It's the opposite of call-out culture, right?

03:03:38.000 It's like, it's a kindness culture.

03:03:40.000 It's like a compassion culture.

03:03:42.000 That's what we really need in response.

03:03:45.000 And unfortunately, some really intelligent people Who are well-meaning, they think they're doing the right thing, are involved in this sort of cancel culture thing where they're attacking people.

03:03:56.000 And it's bad for everybody.

03:03:57.000 It's bad for them, too, because they kind of feel what they're doing while they're doing it.

03:04:01.000 It gives you a very low opinion of yourself.

03:04:03.000 Because if you're a person that's piling on on someone, you don't think of yourself as being a hero or some sort of courageous or enlightened person.

03:04:12.000 That group often eats its own, too, so it's like a dangerous group to be in. 0.94

03:04:17.000 It's a product in many ways of social media because it's a shit way to communicate with text online like that. 0.99

03:04:24.000 It's just not healthy. 0.97

03:04:25.000 It's not wise and it's not wise to participate in it.

03:04:28.000 It's not wise to dwell in it when it happens to you.

03:04:31.000 It's not wise to go back and forth and I don't think it's wise if we continue this.

03:04:36.000 I think it's bad for us as a culture and as a civilization.

03:04:40.000 And again, you've got to forgive the people that are involved in it as well.

03:04:42.000 I don't think they're bad people.

03:04:43.000 I just think it's a bad decision.

03:04:45.000 And I think it's a simple, easy decision, just like it's a simple, easy decision to eat the craft service.

03:04:51.000 It's right there, but it's not the wise thing to do.

03:04:57.000 We need more people communicating about all these things that we're talking about.

03:05:05.000 And we need it to be a big part of the conversation of what it means to be a person in today's society.

03:05:12.000 Because you can delve into processed foods.

03:05:14.000 You can get into harmful drugs. 0.84

03:05:17.000 You can get into all sorts of things that can fuck yourself up.

03:05:20.000 Or...

03:05:21.000 You can decide, like, you know what, I kind of recognize that this has never served me in the past.

03:05:26.000 I've seen all these errors I've made up to this point, and I'm going to choose now to move forward with a different ideal and with different ethics and different morals, and I'm going to try to be a better person, and I'm going to try to treat other people the way I would like to be treated.

03:05:41.000 Not pile on them on social media or attack them for some shit that they might or might have gotten incorrect or whatever, but instead to just recognize, like, this is a terrible way to treat someone you care about.

03:05:56.000 We should care about everybody. 0.95

03:05:57.000 Like, you would never pile on one of your friends on social media, right?

03:06:01.000 No way.

03:06:01.000 Of course.

03:06:02.000 So why would you just do it to anybody?

03:06:04.000 Really...

03:06:05.000 You know, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be critical of certain things.

03:06:09.000 And certain things demand critical thinking and they demand criticism because it allows the other person to recognize that they've erred and that other people see things from a different perspective than they do. 0.87

03:06:20.000 But you don't get that from insulting people and being shitty and mean. 0.84

03:06:24.000 And that is more common than not. 0.97

03:06:26.000 That's the majority of these interactions.

03:06:28.000 It's like people trying to find people who have erred or people who are worthy of attack and then going after them.

03:06:36.000 Yeah, and I find that people that I could have total disagreement with on any of these things, if I sit down and have a conversation and try to see their point of view, I often do.

03:06:46.000 And I often have empathy, and suddenly they're a real person.

03:06:49.000 But if I take my understanding of them based on something I read or off a tweet or something like this or...

03:06:57.000 How they're discussed amongst other groups of people, then it just becomes like the other and I want nothing to do with them and they're scary and I won't talk to them intentionally.

03:07:07.000 And this to me is non-optimal.

03:07:10.000 This is not the way to do it. 0.94

03:07:12.000 Fucking real weird inclination that we have to treat people. 0.95

03:07:17.000 And this is why war is so awful, right? 0.97

03:07:20.000 Because people are really capable of simple, easy dehumanization of entire races of people.

03:07:27.000 Entire countries, nations of people. 1.00

03:07:29.000 They just decide, fuck the krauts. 1.00

03:07:31.000 We're dropping bombs. 1.00

03:07:33.000 Fuck these people. 1.00

03:07:34.000 We're going to put them in internment camps. 1.00

03:07:35.000 Fuck these people. 1.00

03:07:36.000 It's crazy. 1.00

03:07:38.000 Politics today really look like the Catholics fighting the Protestants to me, where you're just like, wait, what are you guys really fighting about?

03:07:45.000 You guys are real close.

03:07:48.000 We're just so tribal, man.

03:07:50.000 Humans are so tribal.

03:07:51.000 It is built into our signals.

03:07:53.000 It's built into what we are.

03:07:55.000 We evolved in tribes, and we evolved to be fearful of other tribes, and as other tribes are going to do you damage and steal your resources and kill you.

03:08:06.000 We haven't gotten past that.

03:08:08.000 And the only way to get past that, I mean, you have to go on a journey, man.

03:08:14.000 You have to figure out for yourself and each person's personal journey.

03:08:18.000 It's like, think about your personal journey to lose the amount of weight that you did. 0.99

03:08:22.000 Fuck, imagine trying to tell someone who's 500 pounds, this is what you're gonna have to do. 0.99

03:08:27.000 It's gonna take years. 1.00

03:08:28.000 And then you're gonna work on it for a few more years to try to fucking dial it in once you've done it. 0.96

03:08:34.000 And then the seesaw. 0.97

03:08:35.000 Like when you went back and forth, back and forth.

03:08:37.000 I mean, imagine, like you gained 100 pounds at one point in time, right?

03:08:41.000 Back?

03:08:42.000 Multiple times.

03:08:43.000 Imagine, try and tell someone about these problems that you're gonna encounter.

03:08:47.000 How about this?

03:08:47.000 I had loose skin removed.

03:08:50.000 Fell, injured myself, tore my side open, and then gained 100 pounds.

03:08:55.000 Jesus. 0.99

03:08:56.000 Yeah, dude, that's fucking real. 0.99

03:08:58.000 That's fucking real. 0.98

03:09:01.000 Everybody's journey, this journey to be the optimal version of yourself, everyone's journey is very different. 0.98

03:09:08.000 And we're all in this together.

03:09:11.000 That's...

03:09:13.000 That's the biggest message. 1.00

03:09:15.000 And if you think you're not, you're fucked. 1.00

03:09:17.000 You're fucked if you think we're not in this together. 1.00

03:09:20.000 If you think you're on your own, you're autonomous and fuck the world, okay. 1.00

03:09:25.000 Good luck with that, dude. 1.00

03:09:27.000 You're not going to be happy.

03:09:28.000 We're most happy when we're in this together.

03:09:30.000 We're most happy when we're...

03:09:32.000 When you can work out a disagreement with someone, one of my favorite things about fights is when they hug afterwards.

03:09:37.000 Yeah, I love that too. 0.99

03:09:38.000 I love it, especially if they talk shit in the beginning. 0.98

03:09:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:09:41.000 And then they grab their hands. 1.00

03:09:42.000 Can't even hug you, motherfucker. 1.00

03:09:43.000 I love you. 1.00

03:09:44.000 And I love it.

03:09:45.000 I really do.

03:09:45.000 I love fights, too.

03:09:47.000 It's very contradicting.

03:09:48.000 I don't see that enough with the Diaz boys.

03:09:51.000 I wish they were hugging people a little bit more. 1.00

03:09:53.000 They talk a lot of shit, and they're so angry. 0.99

03:09:55.000 And I love them. 1.00

03:09:56.000 But I want to see every now and again them hug the guy.

03:09:59.000 Well, him and Conor hugged after their second fight.

03:10:02.000 That's true.

03:10:02.000 Nate did.

03:10:03.000 Yeah.

03:10:04.000 They're hard people, man.

03:10:06.000 It's...

03:10:08.000 Yeah, the friendship that comes out of resolving conflict is a beautiful friendship.

03:10:16.000 If you can let things go, people have to learn how to not hold grudges, man.

03:10:20.000 Not holding grudges is a beautiful thing.

03:10:23.000 It's a beautiful virtue, you know, and just to let it go.

03:10:27.000 Just let it go.

03:10:27.000 We're all flawed.

03:10:29.000 We're all people, you know?

03:10:31.000 We can do this.

03:10:33.000 It can be done, but it takes work.

03:10:35.000 I'm not good at it all the time either. 0.98

03:10:37.000 I'm talking a lot of shit right now, but sometimes I'm an angry person as well. 0.90

03:10:41.000 I came here straight from the gym, so I feel great. 0.99

03:10:45.000 I went to the gym this morning too.

03:10:47.000 That's part of it. 1.00

03:10:48.000 I worked out all my shit. 0.99

03:10:50.000 But if you caught me three days in a row, no gym, who knows? 1.00

03:10:54.000 Maybe I'm like, fuck them and fuck this. 1.00

03:10:57.000 I have an inclination to I have an inclination towards aggression and say fuck you and fuck this and fuck that. 1.00

03:11:04.000 And I try real hard to avoid that inclination and to get better. 1.00

03:11:09.000 And it's not better in like one fell swoop.

03:11:11.000 It's like I don't learn it from one mistake and now I'm better.

03:11:14.000 It's like I need to make a gang of mistakes and keep recognizing that I made those mistakes and better.

03:11:20.000 And I think we need to have that leeway, not just personally for ourselves, because generally, if you're healthy, try to give yourself a little leeway for mistakes.

03:11:28.000 We need to have that leeway for other people.

03:11:30.000 And I was thinking about this on the way over here.

03:11:32.000 I was thinking about felons, like felons that can't vote.

03:11:37.000 Like, you get arrested when you're 17 for robbing a bank, and then you can never vote for the rest of your life.

03:11:42.000 Does that make sense?

03:11:44.000 I mean, we could just take what our mutual friend Michael Malice has to say about voting and talk about how all votes are an act of violence or they're all illegal and nobody should be voting at all. 0.98

03:11:58.000 He's crazy! 0.99

03:12:01.000 Michael, he's such a freak. 1.00

03:12:02.000 There's no one like Michael Malice.

03:12:04.000 I love that guy.

03:12:05.000 He's such a fun dude.

03:12:07.000 But he's also like, he's so smart that he can argue these really untenable positions like there should be no police.

03:12:12.000 There should be no police.

03:12:13.000 I'm like, bro, I'll steal everything you have if there's no police.

03:12:16.000 What are you talking about?

03:12:17.000 What if I'm a bad guy?

03:12:18.000 No, of course not me.

03:12:20.000 If I was a bad guy, for sure.

03:12:21.000 I think about this sometimes and I think about like you go back to ancient Rome and there weren't explicit laws against murder.

03:12:29.000 Eventually, and I mean like 700 years into the Roman Empire, they made laws about killing slaves because they were just like, people are killing too many slaves.

03:12:38.000 You shouldn't just kill your slaves.

03:12:41.000 But that took a long time.

03:12:43.000 Up until then, it wasn't like people were just...

03:12:46.000 Killing everyone.

03:12:47.000 There was murder. 0.59

03:12:48.000 It happened.

03:12:50.000 But it wasn't chaos of people killing right and left.

03:12:55.000 I think of people in jail for murder and I think we have laws against murder and people still murder.

03:13:02.000 I don't know that I've never murdered somebody because there's a law.

03:13:05.000 I just don't want to murder people.

03:13:07.000 But I think we're different now than we were back then just because the moral environment that we're evolving in.

03:13:15.000 So many people are communicating about the sadness of losing loved ones and you see it.

03:13:21.000 It's more personal.

03:13:23.000 That information reaches you.

03:13:25.000 Whereas back then, again, they were the other.

03:13:27.000 If you murdered someone, they were the other.

03:13:29.000 Yeah.

03:13:33.000 There's certain things, though.

03:13:35.000 Like, you take a child's life.

03:13:37.000 You know, you stab a child.

03:13:38.000 Like, I can't. 0.99

03:13:40.000 Ancient Rome, the parents were allowed to kill their kids. 0.70

03:13:44.000 Oh, my God. 0.53

03:13:45.000 Really?

03:13:46.000 It was up to the parents. 0.99

03:13:47.000 And there were some rules about if the kid was really disfigured, you had to kill it. 0.99

03:13:56.000 Oh, my God. 0.98

03:13:57.000 There were some, like, strong inclinations.

03:13:59.000 Oh, so the child was born disfigured?

03:14:01.000 Yeah, but, like, I mean, I forget exactly the language, but, like, yeah, that was left up to the family.

03:14:07.000 If the father and mother decided...

03:14:09.000 So they find, like, pits, and they were basically just buried at the house.

03:14:16.000 Pits where, over hundreds of years, tons of kids were just getting buried because, potentially, they were killed by their family.

03:14:24.000 Dude.

03:14:26.000 That's rough.

03:14:27.000 That's not how we live today.

03:14:29.000 Well, the Spartans, didn't they take some babies that were weak and they just leave them in the woods?

03:14:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:14:34.000 Fucking A, man. 1.00

03:14:35.000 It was a different time. 0.99

03:14:37.000 Yeah.

03:14:38.000 I'm not advocating for any of that.

03:14:40.000 No, of course.

03:14:41.000 I hope that's clear.

03:14:41.000 No, of course.

03:14:42.000 Yeah.

03:14:42.000 Well, you know, if you look at Steven Pinker's work when he talks about violence over the course of history...

03:14:46.000 It's a lot less!

03:14:47.000 Yeah, a lot less. 1.00

03:14:48.000 When people want to think about the world today as opposed to the world of the past, they want to make this, you know, this judgment that today's filled with monsters and assholes and, you know, society's fucked. 0.99

03:15:01.000 Like, it's the best time to live ever. 0.99

03:15:04.000 Ever.

03:15:05.000 But wasn't it always?

03:15:06.000 Yes.

03:15:07.000 Every time that people have ever been.

03:15:08.000 Right.

03:15:09.000 Except maybe, yeah.

03:15:10.000 Yeah, that was rough. 1.00

03:15:11.000 There were some times where the shit hit the fan. 0.99

03:15:14.000 Or a severe famine, you know, the Dutch winter famine. 0.99

03:15:18.000 That was a rough thing.

03:15:18.000 Black plague.

03:15:19.000 Yeah.

03:15:20.000 It was probably better a couple years before the plague.

03:15:22.000 Yeah, and then after.

03:15:23.000 Yeah.

03:15:24.000 Listen, brother, we just did more than three fucking hours. 0.99

03:15:27.000 I love it. 0.99

03:15:27.000 Joe, my wife will yell at me if I don't say, I do have a podcast called American Glutton where all we talk about is diet. 0.99

03:15:34.000 So if anybody's interested, please tune in.

03:15:36.000 And it's on iTunes, Spotify, everywhere?

03:15:39.000 Yeah, all those things.

03:15:39.000 All right, beautiful.

03:15:40.000 Dude, thank you so much, man.

03:15:41.000 Thank you.

03:15:42.000 I really appreciate it.

03:15:42.000 That was an awesome conversation.

03:15:44.000 I've been a fan for years.

03:15:44.000 Thanks, brother.

03:15:45.000 I'm a fan of yours, too.

03:15:46.000 Can we do this again?

03:15:47.000 I would love to.

03:15:47.000 Let's do it again.

03:15:48.000 Yes.

03:15:48.000 All right.

03:15:48.000 Bye, everybody.

03:15:49.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 04, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1644 - Ethan Suplee

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