The Joe Rogan Experience - August 20, 2021


Joe Rogan Experience #1699 - Meghan Murphy

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In this episode, we talk about Mexican moonshine and how it's one of my favorite things to drink in Mexico. We also talk about what it's like to be a Canadian living in Mexico, and what it s like to live in Mexico as a Canadian. We also get into the details of what happened to Jack's car and how he ended up in the ER, and why he thinks everyone else thinks he's a "psychopath." We also find out what it means to be drunk in Mexico and how to deal with the people who don't understand what's going on in your head when you're drinking hard alcohol in a foreign country. And of course, we get to try some of our favorite Mexican Moonshine, which is by no means a bad thing. We hope you enjoy this episode and that it makes you think about drinking hard in Mexico a little bit more often. Cheers, Jamie and Jack! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Thanks for listening and supporting this podcast. Please rate, review and subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts and share it on your socials! If you like what you hear, please leave us a review and tell a friend about what you think of our podcast! We'll be looking out for you in the comments section below! Thank you so much for all the love, bye! <3, Jamie, Jack, Jack and the crew. xoxo, Caitlyn, Rachel, Emily, and the gang. Caitlyn and the boys. -Jonah, Sarah, Jack & the gang - Caitlyn & the boys Sarah, Rachel & the crew at the crew Jonah, and the team at the podcast. . Thanks, Rachel and the rest of the boys at the bar in the bar. Rachel, the bar at the restaurant in the restaurant. Sarah and the bar and all of the bar, the girls at the park in the house in the back. , and the whole place in the parking lot at the beach in the street in the bodega in the park at the back of the restaurant at the club in the city where she sipping on this place in San Francisco, the whole street in front of the park? thank you for listening to all the shots and all the good vibing.

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00:00:13.000 Hello.
00:00:13.000 Hi.
00:00:14.000 Welcome.
00:00:15.000 Thank you.
00:00:15.000 Thanks for doing this.
00:00:16.000 Appreciate it.
00:00:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:00:17.000 Very nice to meet you.
00:00:18.000 It's great to meet you.
00:00:19.000 I'm really excited to be here.
00:00:20.000 We've talked about you eight or ten times.
00:00:23.000 I know, it drives me crazy.
00:00:24.000 Does it?
00:00:26.000 I'm like, I want to talk too.
00:00:28.000 What is your impression of the way people are interpreting what happened to you?
00:00:34.000 Well, I was really frustrated when Jack, and I don't know how to say her name properly, and I'm going to muck it up.
00:00:40.000 Jack and the head of safety...
00:00:43.000 Vidja?
00:00:43.000 Is that how you say it?
00:00:44.000 Vidja, yes.
00:00:45.000 Let's tell people the story of what happened.
00:00:47.000 Okay.
00:00:48.000 You want some of this?
00:00:49.000 Yes, okay, so let me, this is my favorite booze, and not just my favorite Mexican booze, my all-time favorite booze, and nobody likes it except for me, so even in Sayulita, which is, oh, this is where I'm living now,
00:01:04.000 I just outed myself.
00:01:06.000 We could edit it out if you want.
00:01:08.000 No, no, that's cool, that's cool, because I also, no, that's cool, leave it in.
00:01:11.000 Okay.
00:01:13.000 Okay, but this is like a sipping drink.
00:01:15.000 So be very reserved.
00:01:18.000 Cheers.
00:01:20.000 A sipping drink?
00:01:21.000 Yeah, like don't take a big gulp.
00:01:24.000 Yo! 1.00
00:01:26.000 This is Mexican moonshine. 0.97
00:01:28.000 Yeah, it's Mexican moonshine. 0.98
00:01:29.000 Wow!
00:01:30.000 So it's from the agave plant, which is like the same...
00:01:34.000 You like it hard, lady. 0.80
00:01:36.000 This is hard stuff.
00:01:37.000 I really like it, and I don't know what's wrong with me, honestly, because it's not like I love hard alcohol.
00:01:44.000 It makes me feel warm inside, though, right?
00:01:46.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:01:48.000 If that's your reaction, I can only imagine what it is like.
00:01:51.000 It's 40% alcohol.
00:01:52.000 You should try.
00:01:53.000 Yeah, what is that?
00:01:54.000 80 proof?
00:01:54.000 That's 80 proof, right?
00:01:55.000 Isn't it like double the percent?
00:01:58.000 Is that how it works?
00:01:59.000 Yeah.
00:02:00.000 That's what that moonshine was we used to drink, I think.
00:02:03.000 It's literally moonshine.
00:02:04.000 You want to try it?
00:02:05.000 You should try it.
00:02:06.000 I just want to see your reaction.
00:02:09.000 I love forcing people to try it and then seeing what they do.
00:02:14.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:02:18.000 Calm down.
00:02:19.000 Oh, you got to cheers, Jamie.
00:02:20.000 We all cheers.
00:02:23.000 Cheers.
00:02:24.000 You're welcome.
00:02:25.000 Thank you.
00:02:26.000 That was a joke.
00:02:29.000 Holy...
00:02:30.000 Yeah, right?
00:02:31.000 It smells like you're gonna clean something.
00:02:32.000 Yeah.
00:02:33.000 Something bad, like blood.
00:02:35.000 This is how we stay healthy in Mexico.
00:02:37.000 Oh, okay.
00:02:37.000 We just clean everything out.
00:02:39.000 I can't even drink it.
00:02:42.000 It's too, like, I just took a sniff as I was going to go up and like...
00:02:46.000 It's rough.
00:02:47.000 It's like three times a tequila shot, it feels like, in one.
00:02:50.000 Yeah, it's exactly what it feels like.
00:02:51.000 What is it called?
00:02:52.000 I believe you.
00:02:52.000 I would say it's an acquired taste, but I loved it immediately, so...
00:02:56.000 Estancia?
00:02:57.000 Okay, so it's from, it's specific to the region.
00:02:59.000 So I live in Sayulita because I ran away from China, I mean, Canada. 0.81
00:03:06.000 But, like, so it's like an hour away from Puerto Vallarta.
00:03:11.000 And it's in the state of Nayarit.
00:03:13.000 So this booze is specific to that state.
00:03:16.000 I don't love chugging vodka or gin or anything like that.
00:03:21.000 I do like scotch and whiskey and whatever.
00:03:24.000 But for whatever reason, I really love this.
00:03:27.000 And everyone else thinks I'm a psychopath.
00:03:30.000 Because I'll be like, try it, it's the best.
00:03:31.000 And they're like, why are you feeding me gasoline? 0.99
00:03:34.000 What the fuck is wrong with you? 0.98
00:03:37.000 Maybe it represents, like, change to you, you know? 1.00
00:03:40.000 Because it's like you're in this new place and you got fed up with these draconian Vancouver or Canadian restrictions.
00:03:48.000 Yeah.
00:03:49.000 And you're just like, ah!
00:03:50.000 And I was like, I'm gonna go get wasted in Mexico and live my life. 0.64
00:03:55.000 I actually genuinely like it.
00:03:56.000 I find it, like, sweet.
00:03:58.000 This stuff.
00:04:00.000 Sweet.
00:04:01.000 Yeah, this is not...
00:04:02.000 Did you also find it sweet?
00:04:03.000 It's not that sweet.
00:04:04.000 It's rugged.
00:04:04.000 I took a couple of sips and I'm lit.
00:04:07.000 My eyes are watering.
00:04:09.000 I know.
00:04:09.000 I have to be careful because I'll get drunk.
00:04:10.000 You didn't drink it at all?
00:04:11.000 I can't.
00:04:12.000 I can't.
00:04:13.000 I will vomit probably.
00:04:15.000 I'll just spit it out so I don't want to do it.
00:04:18.000 So let's go to your story.
00:04:21.000 Okay, okay, okay.
00:04:21.000 Explain to everybody what happened with you.
00:04:23.000 Okay.
00:04:25.000 I mean, I'm not sure how far back you want me to start.
00:04:28.000 Let's...
00:04:29.000 You're getting kicked off Twitter.
00:04:31.000 I was one of the only people in Canada who was talking about gender identity critically.
00:04:39.000 I'm not saying that to big myself up.
00:04:41.000 It was very annoying because I obviously was targeted.
00:04:44.000 There was Jordan Peterson who spoke out and then there was me and then there was a couple other people.
00:04:51.000 And I was pretty vocal about it.
00:04:53.000 I first started talking about it back in like 2016, 2017, because the Liberal government was pushing through Bill C-16, which was our gender identity legislation.
00:05:04.000 So they were trying to, and succeeded in, because the bill passed, incorporate gender identity into the Human Rights Code and the Criminal Code.
00:05:15.000 And I went and testified against that bill To say, like, this bill shouldn't pass.
00:05:23.000 It'll have a negative impact on women's rights, which of course it did. 1.00
00:05:26.000 For people who don't know what the bill, what it means, could you explain what it means?
00:05:30.000 Because some folks aren't hip to the argument.
00:05:32.000 Right.
00:05:32.000 Sorry.
00:05:32.000 And also that Canada, we should explain, Canada does not have a First Amendment.
00:05:36.000 So you don't have freedom of speech over there.
00:05:38.000 You have Human Rights Council, right?
00:05:40.000 And then if laws violate, if rather some of your speech violates the laws that they put in place, you can literally be arrested.
00:05:51.000 Yeah, you go through a human rights tribunal.
00:05:56.000 And so, I mean, the law didn't actually...
00:06:01.000 It was very vague.
00:06:02.000 Like, it didn't specifically say, for example, you know, if you misgender somebody, that's a hate crime or hate speech or something like that.
00:06:10.000 All it did was to say that gender identity and gender expression essentially needed to be protected under the law, just like whatever race...
00:06:24.000 We're good to go.
00:06:51.000 To me, the concept of gender identity nullifies sex.
00:06:55.000 Like, you can't have both.
00:06:56.000 You can't say, either you are a woman, and you're a woman because you're female, or you identify as a woman.
00:07:03.000 You can't do both.
00:07:05.000 And then anybody, of course, can identify as a woman. 0.98
00:07:08.000 I'm sort of going about this a long way.
00:07:11.000 But, yeah, I was just worried about the implications.
00:07:15.000 I testified at the Senate.
00:07:17.000 Jordan Peterson testified.
00:07:19.000 Are you okay?
00:07:19.000 Yeah, just to go.
00:07:22.000 And so essentially, like, I was the loudest feminist voice in Canada, by far. 0.77
00:07:29.000 And I was tweeting about these issues.
00:07:32.000 I was asking questions about gender identity.
00:07:34.000 I was sort of saying, like, what does this mean?
00:07:37.000 Like, I said, one of the tweets that my account was locked down for was, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman?
00:07:46.000 And I wasn't saying that to try to be rude.
00:07:49.000 I was saying, like, somebody please explain what happens to a man between him being a man and then him being a trans woman.
00:07:59.000 Do you know what I mean?
00:08:00.000 Like, if he hasn't had any surgeries or anything like that, not that I think that a surgery can change your sex, but like, what is it?
00:08:07.000 So now, yesterday he was a man, today he identifies as a woman or a trans woman.
00:08:12.000 What's happened here?
00:08:13.000 What does this mean?
00:08:15.000 It was just so nonsensical.
00:08:18.000 It's just a belief system, right?
00:08:20.000 Well, it can get even worse, right?
00:08:21.000 But you can decide to go back and forth throughout the day.
00:08:24.000 Yeah.
00:08:24.000 People have allowed that.
00:08:27.000 This is also accepted.
00:08:29.000 You can be gender fluid, and you can be gender fluid depending upon your mood multiple times a day.
00:08:37.000 Right.
00:08:37.000 And that's what the concept of gender identity does.
00:08:42.000 It's just an identity.
00:08:43.000 It's just something you say.
00:08:45.000 It could be something you feel, but it's just a proclamation.
00:08:48.000 There's no material reality involved.
00:08:51.000 There's nothing concrete.
00:08:53.000 There's nothing you can point to.
00:08:56.000 Essentially, it's akin to a religion, as far as I'm concerned.
00:09:00.000 It's faith-based, right?
00:09:02.000 So, you know, I feel like these laws are, in a way, sort of enforcing religion on people.
00:09:09.000 Like, it's like they're enforcing this, like, faith-based...
00:09:12.000 Woke religion. 0.90
00:09:13.000 Yeah.
00:09:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:14.000 Yeah, a lot of ways.
00:09:15.000 I mean, you could call it progressive, but it's, of course, not progressive.
00:09:19.000 It's just weird and nonsensical and has a terrible impact on women. 1.00
00:09:22.000 But, um...
00:09:24.000 So, one of the tweets that I was locked down for was that one, you know, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman. 0.62
00:09:30.000 Just a question.
00:09:32.000 Yeah.
00:09:32.000 And so they suspended you for that.
00:09:34.000 So they, yeah, they locked down my account and they're like, you have to delete this tweet if you want your account back.
00:09:38.000 I appealed it.
00:09:39.000 It was every time I've appealed anything, it's just been totally ignored.
00:09:42.000 They don't explain why.
00:09:43.000 They never tell me what rules I break either or did break, right?
00:09:48.000 Like they never said, they say hateful conduct, but they don't say, oh, it's this specific rule.
00:09:54.000 Like you're not allowed to misgender or dead name or whatever it would be.
00:09:58.000 I mean, I don't even know what rule that would break saying like, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman?
00:10:04.000 The other tweet, of course, was men aren't women, which wasn't targeted at anybody.
00:10:09.000 I wasn't saying, you're not a woman. 0.99
00:10:12.000 It was like part of a thread.
00:10:14.000 It was part of a conversation that was back and forth.
00:10:16.000 And I was like, but men aren't women. 0.61
00:10:18.000 That was one of them that got me locked down again.
00:10:22.000 Which is crazy.
00:10:23.000 Well, yeah.
00:10:24.000 We're literally like denying biology.
00:10:26.000 I mean, so what I think, I don't know, because again, no one's really explained anything to me.
00:10:31.000 No one from Twitter has communicated with me.
00:10:34.000 No one said what I did wrong, so I'm just guessing.
00:10:37.000 Can I tell you what they said?
00:10:38.000 Yeah.
00:10:38.000 They said that you were told to delete the tweet, but you took a screenshot of it, and you deleted it, but then reposted the screenshot.
00:10:47.000 I did do that. 0.92
00:10:48.000 I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do that when I did that, so I wasn't trying to be a dick. 1.00
00:10:51.000 Like, I wasn't Trying to be like, fuck you! 1.00
00:10:54.000 I was so mad! 1.00
00:10:55.000 I was like, are you fucking serious? 0.98
00:10:57.000 Like, I got banned for saying, like, men aren't women, for asking these really basic questions. 0.98
00:11:02.000 That was their justification to me as to why they banned you for the rest of your life.
00:11:08.000 Well, fair, fair. 0.99
00:11:10.000 Which is fucking bananas. 0.99
00:11:12.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:11:12.000 There's the example that I bring up when I talk about this idea that you can just ban people for saying things that are factually correct, maybe politically insensitive, you know, depending upon the current climate, but factually correct, 0.98
00:11:28.000 biologically correct, scientifically correct.
00:11:31.000 Maybe you might say that it's not kind, but what is wrong with being, are we really deciding that there's certain rules that we want to apply in regards to progressive thinking that bypass or supersede biology?
00:11:51.000 Is that what we're doing?
00:11:52.000 Because when you say a man, if you say a man is never a woman, that's what you said?
00:11:57.000 Men aren't women. 1.00
00:11:58.000 Men aren't women. 1.00
00:12:00.000 That's a fact.
00:12:02.000 Men are not women. 1.00
00:12:03.000 Now, I believe in trans women.
00:12:06.000 I think there are people that have gender dysphoria, and I think...
00:12:14.000 We're good to go.
00:12:24.000 I think, I mean, sure.
00:12:26.000 Like, I could buy that there's such a thing as gender dysphoria. 0.98
00:12:30.000 So you have some kind of, like, mental condition or mental illness. 0.98
00:12:34.000 I'm not trying to be mean, I swear to God. 0.99
00:12:36.000 Like, people get, like, triggered if you say, like, a mental illness.
00:12:39.000 But I'm like, you literally think you're something that you're not.
00:12:42.000 Like, you literally believe you're a male.
00:12:44.000 You actually believe you're a woman. 1.00
00:12:46.000 That's a form of mental illness. 1.00
00:12:47.000 Fine.
00:12:48.000 It doesn't mean you're a bad person.
00:12:49.000 And I don't care.
00:12:50.000 Right.
00:12:51.000 If you want to dress in women's clothes, if you want to wear makeup, if you want to get cosmetic surgeries, if you want to change your name, go for it. 0.89
00:12:58.000 Like, do whatever makes you feel better.
00:12:59.000 That's fine.
00:13:00.000 But I'm not going to lie to comfort you or whomever else.
00:13:06.000 So I don't even agree that, like...
00:13:09.000 Gender dysphoria means there's such a thing as a trans woman. 1.00
00:13:12.000 To me, this concept doesn't make any sense.
00:13:16.000 What's a trans woman? 1.00
00:13:16.000 What does it mean? 1.00
00:13:17.000 Do you have to be on hormones?
00:13:19.000 Do you have to have a bunch of surgeries?
00:13:21.000 Do you have to have a neo-vagina? 1.00
00:13:23.000 It's weird because it's very strict that you must accept that people are trans women.
00:13:29.000 But then what defines a trans woman is completely open to interpretation.
00:13:35.000 It's the person who decides whatever identity they identify with, male, female, whatever it is, it's up to them.
00:13:44.000 It's up to them whether they have surgery.
00:13:45.000 It's up to them whether they take hormones.
00:13:48.000 It's up to them whatever.
00:13:48.000 You can do absolutely nothing.
00:13:51.000 You could have a full beard And say you're a woman. 1.00
00:13:54.000 With a penis, functional testicles, no problem at all. 1.00
00:13:58.000 And you can say you're a woman and everyone has to agree. 0.99
00:14:01.000 Speaking of which, the final tweet that I was actually banned for, so they locked me down for those two things, right?
00:14:10.000 And then the final straw for them was when I said, yeah, it's him, in reference to Jessica Yaniv, who was once Jonathan.
00:14:19.000 If you recall, he was the man in Vancouver who was going around to local estheticians and asking them, To give him a Brazilian bikini wax.
00:14:28.000 Yeah.
00:14:28.000 And he is fully a man.
00:14:31.000 I mean...
00:14:32.000 Fully a man. 0.99
00:14:32.000 Intact testicles. 0.99
00:14:34.000 Intact penis. 1.00
00:14:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:14:35.000 Everything. 1.00
00:14:36.000 I mean...
00:14:36.000 Beard.
00:14:37.000 And also a crazy person. 1.00
00:14:39.000 A crazy person. 1.00
00:14:40.000 And a major fucking creep. 1.00
00:14:41.000 And he is messaging these women on Facebook. 1.00
00:14:45.000 I think sometimes under a fake photo and name.
00:14:49.000 So maybe with a woman's photo and a woman's name that's not him.
00:14:53.000 And then they would realize that he was a man, I guess maybe if they talked to him on the phone or something like that, and they'd be like, no, sorry, we don't offer this service to men.
00:15:00.000 And he would accuse them of transphobia and essentially try to extort money out of them. 0.98
00:15:04.000 And when that didn't work, I guess he decided he wanted to, I mean, again, he's a crazy person, so we can't take this as representative of very much other than the fact that he's like a grifter and a crazy person. 0.81
00:15:14.000 But, you know, to take them all to the Human Rights Tribunal to say he's being discriminated against. 0.90
00:15:20.000 But this is exactly, exactly the perfect example of what happens if you just say anybody's a woman and you just have to accept it. 1.00
00:15:29.000 He has a penis. 1.00
00:15:30.000 He has balls. 1.00
00:15:31.000 He obviously looks like a man. 0.99
00:15:33.000 At that time, he was still using his male name in various places, like on Facebook, some other places.
00:15:40.000 I think on Twitter at that time, he was...
00:15:43.000 Maybe using both names.
00:15:46.000 But there was nothing to show me that he was a woman.
00:15:50.000 So I said, yeah, it's him.
00:15:52.000 I figured out that it was him.
00:15:56.000 And then I was permanently banned.
00:15:58.000 Yeah, and that was in November.
00:16:00.000 And that was it.
00:16:01.000 I appealed.
00:16:02.000 They were like, nope, sorry, hateful conduct.
00:16:05.000 Again, didn't tell me what rule I broke.
00:16:06.000 20 minutes after I was banned.
00:16:08.000 I was banned on Friday night.
00:16:10.000 I was at the bar. 1.00
00:16:11.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00
00:16:13.000 I'm trying to have fun! 0.98
00:16:14.000 20 minutes after I was banned, Pink News, which is like a LGBT queer news site, they post an article saying, Twitter has a new rule against misgendering and deadnaming.
00:16:29.000 And I was like, oh, this is a really funny coincidence that this went up 20 minutes after I was banned for some rule that they didn't specify, but I can only assume was misgendering.
00:16:41.000 Yeah.
00:16:43.000 Misgendering a man who's a predator and who is still going by his male name in various places on the internet.
00:16:49.000 Whoops.
00:16:50.000 So, I mean, he should have been banned, too, for misgendering himself.
00:16:53.000 Good point.
00:16:54.000 Thank you.
00:16:55.000 It's just so weird.
00:16:56.000 Because it's the one area that there's no room for...
00:17:01.000 There's no room for interpretation.
00:17:03.000 There's no room for debate or nuance.
00:17:07.000 It's just, like, you cannot misgender.
00:17:10.000 You cannot deadname.
00:17:11.000 You cannot, like...
00:17:13.000 And you're cruel and horrible if you do.
00:17:15.000 Yeah, they're cruel and horrible to you.
00:17:18.000 Well, yeah, I mean, the things that people aren't banned for on Twitter.
00:17:21.000 I mean, I have been, like, subject to countless death threats. 0.99
00:17:25.000 Like, you should die, you get the wall, you should go to the gulag. 0.98
00:17:29.000 Like, people show, you know, like, people say horrible things to me online. 1.00
00:17:33.000 I honestly don't care.
00:17:34.000 Like, I'm like, it's the internet, people say horrible things. 0.99
00:17:38.000 I'm not gonna crumble or feel hurt or offended because somebody says some bullshit to me on Twitter. 0.98
00:17:42.000 But you can't even say he to somebody who's declared themselves a woman or you're essentially guilty of hate speech. 1.00
00:17:51.000 But they can call you a stupid bitch. 1.00
00:17:53.000 And worse. 1.00
00:17:54.000 Yeah, and worse.
00:17:55.000 Believe it or not.
00:17:55.000 What's worse?
00:17:56.000 Like, cunt? 1.00
00:17:58.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:17:58.000 Oh, there you go. 1.00
00:18:00.000 Kill yourself, you turf cunt. 1.00
00:18:02.000 I've gotten that one. 1.00
00:18:03.000 Oh, that turf is my favorite.
00:18:04.000 Trans, exclusionary, radical, feminist. 0.98
00:18:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:08.000 There's so many of those things.
00:18:10.000 People love those little acronyms, too, because it makes them feel like they're a part of some little group that knows these things and other people don't know these things.
00:18:20.000 Yeah, and that acronym doesn't even make sense because it's applied.
00:18:24.000 I'm not a radical feminist.
00:18:26.000 I've never identified as a radical feminist.
00:18:29.000 I don't have anything against radical feminists, per se. 1.00
00:18:32.000 What is a radical feminist versus a regular feminist? 1.00
00:18:37.000 I mean, technically, the word radical is meant in this context to get at the root.
00:18:43.000 So the difference, radical feminists would say, the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism would be that they want to upend the whole system of patriarchy rather than just changing some of the surface things like legislation and things like that. 1.00
00:19:01.000 They want there to be a revolution.
00:19:04.000 Burn it all down.
00:19:05.000 Yeah. 0.84
00:19:06.000 They're like the Antifa of feminists. 1.00
00:19:09.000 I mean, I don't think most of them are violent, but some of them are probably violent, or some of them would want a violent revolution to overthrow the patriarchy.
00:19:18.000 Even when Antifa's violent, they're violent, like, you know, little small doughy people.
00:19:23.000 You just think that because you know that you could beat them up, but I don't think that when they're...
00:19:27.000 You think they're violent?
00:19:28.000 Like, yes!
00:19:29.000 Yeah.
00:19:30.000 No, I think they're violent, too.
00:19:30.000 I think they're quite scary, and again...
00:19:33.000 A lot of them seem really unstable.
00:19:37.000 Like, they've shown up at my events before to protest, and they're quite threatening and, you know, I kind of do find them scary because I find them unhinged.
00:19:49.000 And they obviously have perpetrated violence.
00:19:52.000 Like, Antifa was responsible for a whole bunch of violence during all the BLM stuff in the summer.
00:19:58.000 And I, you know, I'm not as strong as you are because I'm female.
00:20:04.000 I also don't work out as much as you.
00:20:06.000 But, you know, like, if a scrawny Antifa guy wanted to beat me up, he probably could.
00:20:12.000 Right.
00:20:14.000 Yeah, there's a weird like misfits revenge aspect to what they're doing.
00:20:21.000 Yes.
00:20:21.000 Because they're all misfits.
00:20:22.000 They're all like either like really fat or really scrawny and really fucked up and they're wearing masks and screaming nonsensical shit. 1.00
00:20:31.000 And loving the fact that they found others like them and that they're all willing to participate in this anarchy and trying to Burn it all down. 1.00
00:20:40.000 And because of their cute little name, anti-fascist, how could you disagree with them?
00:20:44.000 Why do you love fascism?
00:20:47.000 It's like Antifa is anti-fascist.
00:20:50.000 And I've seen actually CNN buy into that.
00:20:52.000 No, they're misfits that are trying to burn down Seattle courthouses. 1.00
00:20:56.000 This is not anti-fascist.
00:20:59.000 In fact, if you follow the definition of fascism, they're literally trying to enforce their ideals upon other people.
00:21:08.000 Right.
00:21:08.000 I mean, this is the same thing.
00:21:10.000 People accuse me of bigotry.
00:21:12.000 They accuse all sorts of people of bigotry because they have non-approved progressive opinions.
00:21:18.000 And meanwhile, they're the most intolerant people ever.
00:21:22.000 And I'm like, no, actually, if you just Google the definition of the word bigot, what you're doing is literally bigotry.
00:21:29.000 You're intolerant of different opinions.
00:21:31.000 Right.
00:21:31.000 And lack of compassion.
00:21:33.000 That's a big aspect of a lot of this stuff.
00:21:36.000 I always used to think of progressive people and people with progressive ideas as being compassionate people.
00:21:42.000 That's the reason why they had these progressive ideas, whether it's about welfare or whether it's about civil rights or equal rights, whatever it is.
00:21:51.000 I thought it was like compassionate, kind people that wanted other people to have better opportunities and do better. 0.98
00:21:56.000 But when you realize that it's, no, it's people who have decided upon a tribe and they've subscribed to a predetermined set of opinions and then they use that to be a fucking douchebag and attack other people. 0.94
00:22:11.000 That's a lot of what's going on with the right and the left, with both sides. 0.94
00:22:16.000 I mean, it's interesting because what they're doing is they're seeking power.
00:22:20.000 Like, I totally think you're right. 0.98
00:22:22.000 I think these are like ugly loser misfits who were unpopular in high school and are really fucking pissed off and want to get their revenge and so they're using politics to do it. 0.99
00:22:31.000 Yes. 0.99
00:22:32.000 But, you know, I like so I was a leftist my entire life.
00:22:37.000 I identified when I was a teenager, I think I identified as like a Marxist.
00:22:42.000 And then as a socialist, only recently, like within the past couple of years, have I been like, I don't think this is great.
00:22:50.000 Like, first of all, I don't want anything to do with these people.
00:22:53.000 But second of all, like, I don't know if capitalism is the worst thing in the world.
00:22:59.000 But I subscribed to these beliefs because I thought we were the nice people.
00:23:05.000 I thought we were the people who cared about people's well-being and happiness, about, obviously, equality and justice.
00:23:13.000 And I never even knew any right-wing people my whole life.
00:23:18.000 I grew up in Vancouver, which is a very progressive place.
00:23:21.000 My parents were super progressive.
00:23:23.000 I grew up atheist.
00:23:24.000 I didn't know religious people.
00:23:26.000 I didn't know right-wing people.
00:23:27.000 I almost really never even thought about them that much, but I just had decided...
00:23:32.000 So I understand these people, because I used to be like that. 1.00
00:23:35.000 I just thought that anybody that didn't see things my way were stupid. 1.00
00:23:42.000 We're assholes or we're greedy. 1.00
00:23:45.000 You know, like, you just don't care about helping out poor people. 1.00
00:23:48.000 You just care about yourself.
00:23:50.000 And, you know, obviously, over the past few years, I've seen the light.
00:23:57.000 And, you know, the left claims to be anti-hierarchy, right? 1.00
00:24:02.000 Which is stupid. 0.99
00:24:03.000 Like, hierarchies are natural. 1.00
00:24:04.000 You can't be anti-hierarchy.
00:24:07.000 That's not how the world works.
00:24:09.000 It's not how nature works.
00:24:10.000 But they claim to be opposed to power, essentially.
00:24:15.000 And meanwhile, all that they're doing is trying to hold power over everybody else and force everybody else to not even...
00:24:23.000 I don't even know if they care that people believe what they're saying.
00:24:27.000 They just want them to say it.
00:24:28.000 They just want them to repeat the mantras like they're in a cult.
00:24:32.000 Right.
00:24:33.000 There's a big aspect, a big cult-like aspect to this.
00:24:36.000 Yeah, it's a strange time because through social media people get to find other people that agree with them and they form these little attack groups.
00:24:49.000 They form these little echo chambers and they reinforce their opinions and they use that to target people that they find that disagree with them or they find that have opposing viewpoints.
00:25:03.000 And the way they do it is really nasty. 0.97
00:25:06.000 It's really nasty and really shitty and it's not compassionate at all. 0.85
00:25:09.000 It's not in a line with anything that I ever thought of as being progressive or being open-minded or liberal. 0.97
00:25:15.000 It's not like that. 0.98
00:25:16.000 It's like they're using their ideological differences they have with other people as an excuse to be a shitty person. 0.94
00:25:25.000 And they've been doing this to me forever. 0.97
00:25:27.000 Like, this was a more famous moment.
00:25:30.000 But when I was writing for this, like, Canadian left-wing progressive news site back in 2015, I was an editor there, too, actually.
00:25:41.000 They started, these Toronto progressives, started a petition to have me fired and accused me of all sorts of things. 0.91
00:25:49.000 They accused me of being whorephobic, you know, afraid of prostitutes. 0.97
00:25:54.000 You're a horror-phobic? 0.98
00:25:55.000 I'm not just a transphobe.
00:25:57.000 I'm also a horror-phobe.
00:25:59.000 I never heard of that one before.
00:26:00.000 Yeah, this has been going on for a while.
00:26:02.000 You're a horror-phobe?
00:26:03.000 I'm not a horror-phobe, but they...
00:26:06.000 Okay, so there is some context for this. 0.95
00:26:10.000 Because I'm scared of prostitutes. 1.00
00:26:11.000 I'm joking.
00:26:12.000 I don't have an irrational fear of prostitutes.
00:26:16.000 So most of my work before I started writing about gender identity, I was writing about...
00:26:22.000 Like, I run a feminist website for 10 years now. 1.00
00:26:26.000 I would write mostly about, like, violence against women, domestic abuse, but I did a lot of writing around pornography and prostitution.
00:26:34.000 And, you know, I'm opposed to the porn industry. 0.66
00:26:40.000 I personally don't like porn, but I think the porn industry is, like, pretty disgusting and exploitative and unethical. 0.97
00:26:47.000 I think it's obviously incredibly misogynistic, it's racist. 0.91
00:26:51.000 I think porn, I know you didn't ask me about this, but too bad. 0.50
00:26:58.000 I think porn's bad for men, I think it's bad for relationships, for the most part.
00:27:04.000 In any case, I did a lot of writing around pornography, about prostitution.
00:27:10.000 I advocate for a model that's called the Nordic Model, which criminalizes essentially the exploiters, so it criminalizes pimps, johns, broth owners, traffickers. 0.63
00:27:23.000 And decriminalizes the women. 0.89
00:27:25.000 So it sees women as essentially victims of prostitution for the most part. 0.99
00:27:31.000 Of course I'm aware that some women choose it. 1.00
00:27:34.000 And tries to punish the people who take advantage of vulnerable women essentially. 0.99
00:27:39.000 And this is why I was labeled a whore-phobe. 0.99
00:27:43.000 Hmm. 0.98
00:27:44.000 And this is what the left was really angry at me about for the most part but they also of course accused me of being like a white supremacist and a transphobe and everything else because they like to just pile everything. 0.92
00:27:54.000 I was talking to my friend Ari about this and he was saying that he knows people in New York specifically where girls have men that they have sex with For money.
00:28:07.000 They've become friends with them and they have like these little relationship deals with them where they'll meet them and then maybe these guys have other relationships or maybe these guys are really busy and they don't want a relationship for whatever reason.
00:28:22.000 They just want to pay for sex and have it a clean transaction and these women will do it with like several different guys and that is how they get by. 1.00
00:28:31.000 And they like it.
00:28:32.000 They don't have pimps. 0.88
00:28:34.000 They don't have prostitutes. 1.00
00:28:34.000 And this sounds very utopian, right? 1.00
00:28:37.000 It sounds like very...
00:28:38.000 Like, best case scenario for the girl, best case scenario for the guy.
00:28:44.000 Like, we're painting this with rose-colored glasses, right?
00:28:46.000 Like, everybody loves it.
00:28:47.000 It's great.
00:28:48.000 There's no icky side effects, and there's no misogyny, and there's no...
00:28:53.000 Right.
00:28:54.000 In that scenario, are you okay with that?
00:28:59.000 So, okay is not...
00:29:01.000 I'm not going to tell a woman not to do that.
00:29:03.000 Right.
00:29:04.000 That's what she wants to do.
00:29:05.000 That's her own prerogative. 0.99
00:29:06.000 If it genuinely makes her happy, then go for it.
00:29:10.000 If it's better than working at Wendy's.
00:29:12.000 Well, and it is better than working at Wendy's financially, probably.
00:29:16.000 I think that that relationship and that transaction is totally unhealthy and inhumane, and I think that it obviously treats sex as something that is separate from the human.
00:29:35.000 Separate from the human?
00:29:38.000 So, you're having sex with somebody, but you're not engaging in a relationship with them. 0.86
00:29:42.000 You're just using their body, essentially.
00:29:43.000 Which I think is weird, because we're more than just bodies.
00:29:46.000 We're not like, you know, our brains are, you know, it's all connected.
00:29:50.000 We have emotions, we have desires, we have feelings.
00:29:52.000 And I think if you're having sex with somebody, you sort of need to be accountable to them in some way and be considering that they have feelings and desires and needs of their own.
00:30:00.000 I don't think that it's healthy for sex to be treated as just a physical thing.
00:30:04.000 And I'm not saying Like, sex can't just be fun and just a physical thing.
00:30:09.000 Like, I've had lots of casual sex in my life. 0.93
00:30:12.000 How dare you? 0.98
00:30:12.000 Everybody. 0.98
00:30:13.000 How dare you?
00:30:14.000 Hundreds and thousands of people.
00:30:17.000 But, you know, I don't think it has to be like this romantic exchange every time.
00:30:22.000 It's not like you have to be married, like you have to be like staring into each other's eyes and like, I love you, I love you, I love you.
00:30:28.000 But I think that it's a really unhealthy thing for society to normalize sex as being something transactional.
00:30:36.000 And I think these women probably are going to have problems down the line. 1.00
00:30:39.000 Like, it's like, yeah, right now this might be fine.
00:30:41.000 Same thing with women who do porn are like, oh yeah, this is fine, great. 0.88
00:30:44.000 And it's like, okay, talk to me in 10 years and tell me how you feel when you reflect back.
00:30:48.000 Like, the decisions that we make, we can make all sorts of bad decisions when we're 20. And this can be applicable to probably casual sex, too.
00:30:57.000 I think that there are kind of mental and emotional repercussions from engaging in those kinds of relationships that people pretend don't exist.
00:31:06.000 I don't think that it could make you feel really good about yourself when a man is like paying for access to your body and not considering you as a human and how you feel and what you actually want.
00:31:19.000 And you're having sex that you don't enjoy.
00:31:21.000 Why would you want to have sex that you don't enjoy?
00:31:22.000 But are they mutually exclusive?
00:31:23.000 How do you know they don't enjoy it?
00:31:24.000 What if you do have sex with people?
00:31:25.000 Why would they be getting paid if they were into it?
00:31:28.000 Because they have an arrangement.
00:31:29.000 Like if I wanted to have sex with somebody, I wouldn't be like, okay, well give me some money. 0.99
00:31:33.000 I'd want to have sex with them. 1.00
00:31:34.000 Well you're not a hoe. 1.00
00:31:36.000 Thank you.
00:31:39.000 That's true.
00:31:40.000 I mean, I think we're making it...
00:31:43.000 We're narrowly defining these exchanges.
00:31:46.000 And I'm not in support of prostitution.
00:31:49.000 I'm just trying to play devil's advocate.
00:31:51.000 No, I appreciate it.
00:31:52.000 And to be honest, like, I... I'm totally changing the subject again.
00:31:56.000 I'm sorry.
00:31:57.000 I'm very bad at staying on track.
00:31:58.000 But I started to question feminism and the work that I was doing because I started to feel like there were questions that I couldn't answer and I wasn't being challenged enough.
00:32:10.000 So I appreciate you challenging me on this stuff, but I've sort of started to move away from feminism a bit in the past few years, partly because I just felt like I was repeating myself over and over and over again and like preaching to the choir and none of these people were asking me any questions.
00:32:27.000 And I was like, if I was having an argument with somebody who like didn't believe in patriarchy, they were like, what's a patriarchy?
00:32:35.000 I was like, would I be able to answer that question?
00:32:38.000 I don't actually think I can, so maybe I should stop saying this word over and over and over again.
00:32:42.000 It's a word that's supposed to put the brakes on any argument.
00:32:48.000 It's one of those words like, because of the patriarchy.
00:32:51.000 Yeah.
00:32:52.000 Oh, because of the patriarchy.
00:32:54.000 Tell me about that.
00:32:55.000 It's one of those things where if you ask someone to define what exactly do you mean by that, things can get real dicey.
00:33:04.000 And I couldn't.
00:33:05.000 And I can't.
00:33:06.000 And so I've stopped using that word.
00:33:08.000 Well, the idea is that men are controlling everything, right? 0.75
00:33:11.000 Which is very disempowering for women, especially women that are very successful.
00:33:15.000 It's like, how did they get there?
00:33:16.000 Did they get there because men let them?
00:33:18.000 Or did they get there because there are certain aspects of society that are a meritocracy?
00:33:25.000 And that should be a meritocracy.
00:33:27.000 This is what I was saying about hierarchy.
00:33:29.000 It's like there are some people who are better at things than other people.
00:33:33.000 There are some people who are better suited to be leaders.
00:33:37.000 It's not an equal playing field.
00:33:39.000 It's also not equal in the amount of effort that people put into things.
00:33:42.000 Totally.
00:33:43.000 If you want to sit around in the house on your computer playing...
00:33:48.000 I was about to say video games because I'm 41 years old.
00:33:52.000 I was like...
00:33:53.000 I don't think they're called video games anymore.
00:33:55.000 They are.
00:33:56.000 What are they called?
00:33:57.000 I don't know.
00:33:58.000 I feel like there's another...
00:33:59.000 Well, I obviously don't know.
00:34:00.000 I think they're video games.
00:34:02.000 They're just called video games.
00:34:03.000 Oh, isn't it like...
00:34:04.000 Okay.
00:34:05.000 What else would you call them?
00:34:07.000 Uh...
00:34:08.000 They're video games.
00:34:09.000 Okay, great.
00:34:10.000 Even like the brand new ones that come out today.
00:34:11.000 So I just outed my age for no good reason. 0.98
00:34:17.000 But like if you want to like sit around your house and be a loser, then you can go do that. 0.65
00:34:22.000 But you don't deserve to have the same amount of money or prestige or power or whatever it is as somebody else.
00:34:29.000 Like it shouldn't all be equal.
00:34:31.000 I think that it should be more equal.
00:34:33.000 Like I don't think that...
00:34:34.000 I really don't think that people should be in poverty or destitute or be homeless.
00:34:40.000 Agreed, yeah.
00:34:41.000 But I don't agree with this delusion that everybody is capable of the same things, has the same skills, and they do that in feminism a lot. 0.60
00:34:51.000 They sort of pretend like everyone should have an equal say, and it's a really big problem within the movement.
00:35:00.000 I'm getting sort of meta here a bit, but You know, feminism can be very, like, pro-collective and advocates, you know, like, collective decision-making and things like that, which is crazy because if you're working in a collective and some women are, 1.00
00:35:16.000 you know, 50 or 60 years old, they've been doing this work for a really long time.
00:35:20.000 If you're 50 or 60 years old, you probably know in general a lot more about Life and your work than a 20-year-old does.
00:35:28.000 And yet, within a collective, everybody has an equal say.
00:35:32.000 So, you know, the 20-year-old who just joined your collective has just as much to say and it's equally as legitimate as what this 60-year-old...
00:35:41.000 Like, it's disrespectful.
00:35:42.000 You know what I mean?
00:35:44.000 Like...
00:35:45.000 Yeah.
00:35:46.000 I don't know if this is, like, another, like...
00:35:50.000 Yeah, I have all these problems with feminism that I've sort of been trying to like address and articulate of late and I've gotten pretty attacked over it because people are used to me saying a certain thing and I've stopped saying those things and started asking questions and challenging things and people don't like it when you do that.
00:36:08.000 Yeah.
00:36:08.000 Well, specifically of those ideals that they would like you to subscribe to very rigidly define how they look at the world.
00:36:19.000 Exactly.
00:36:20.000 And then if you step out, you were an ally, air quotes, and then all of a sudden you step out of the orthodoxy and you're starting to... 0.65
00:36:27.000 Say, well, maybe this is bullshit because maybe young people are filled with hubris and maybe one of the reasons why they're into Marxism is because they haven't accumulated any wealth yet and they would like everybody to have no wealth because they don't have any wealth.
00:36:43.000 And then as you see, as they gain wealth, which is one of the more slippery things about people as they get older, I like having money. 0.97
00:37:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:06.000 And rental property and like, okay.
00:37:10.000 I mean...
00:37:11.000 Like, what is Marxism to you?
00:37:13.000 Well, and that's fine, but just don't be a liar. 0.71
00:37:15.000 Like, be rich.
00:37:17.000 Have a bunch of properties.
00:37:18.000 Have a bunch of money. 0.56
00:37:19.000 But don't be a liar.
00:37:20.000 Like, don't advocate this thing that is directly opposed to the life that you're living.
00:37:25.000 I mean, that's why I was a Marxist.
00:37:27.000 I was like, I don't have any money. 1.00
00:37:28.000 Fuck these people with money. 1.00
00:37:29.000 Like, how come my friends have houses and cars and I don't have anything? 1.00
00:37:33.000 I'm a Marxist.
00:37:36.000 And then I sort of started to make more money.
00:37:38.000 It's not like I make tons of money right now, but I'm okay.
00:37:42.000 I want to make more money.
00:37:44.000 Well, it's very rewarding when your effort gets paid off by something very tangible, like financial success.
00:37:54.000 And the idea that we're not all in it for some sort of reinforcement, whether it's monetary reinforcement, societal reinforcement, When you're doing something and you're putting out work, you're doing it for incentives.
00:38:06.000 You're not just doing it to just survive. 0.99
00:38:09.000 What am I, a fucking animal? 0.99
00:38:11.000 I only need enough meat to survive and enough water to drink so I can stay hydrated? 1.00
00:38:17.000 And who gets to decide that?
00:38:19.000 So if we pass that and you can accumulate more things, you could buy nice clothes, you could buy a TV, you could get a computer, who's to decide where that ends?
00:38:30.000 And how do you regulate this?
00:38:33.000 And who gets to regulate it? 1.00
00:38:34.000 And if you look at the loudest voices, they're usually the laziest fucks. 0.99
00:38:38.000 The laziest or the youngest or the ones who just haven't been successful at life. 0.98
00:38:45.000 This idea, and Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time, it's an infuriating idea of an equality of outcome.
00:38:52.000 Because there's no way that it's ever going to work.
00:38:55.000 But some people want that.
00:38:57.000 They want an equality of outcome in terms of financial success or life success.
00:39:04.000 There's not an equality of effort.
00:39:06.000 And this is the whole reason why we have innovation and why our society moves forth and why people put in a lot of effort and make extraordinary leaps and gains in their life.
00:39:18.000 It's because there's incentives.
00:39:20.000 That's why.
00:39:20.000 That's why they do it.
00:39:21.000 That's the good aspect of capitalism.
00:39:24.000 Yeah, and I mean, the idea that, like, you shouldn't have to work hard.
00:39:29.000 I mean, working hard to achieve something like financial success is great.
00:39:34.000 Because, yeah, why would you do all this work for nothing, just out of the good of your heart?
00:39:38.000 Like, most people aren't going to do that.
00:39:39.000 Maybe there's some people who are incredibly charitable, but most people aren't going to do that.
00:39:43.000 But also, you know, it sort of erases the reality that, like, working really hard and achieving something and getting better at something is actually very, like, self-fulfilling.
00:39:55.000 It's really good for your confidence.
00:39:56.000 It helps you get to know yourself, which also builds confidence.
00:40:00.000 And this is what these leftists are all doing, essentially.
00:40:05.000 All of these, I mean, especially the younger leftists.
00:40:10.000 It's like, you shouldn't have to challenge yourself.
00:40:13.000 You shouldn't have to do anything that scares you.
00:40:15.000 You shouldn't have to do anything that's hard.
00:40:17.000 You should be comfortable all the time and everything should just be given to you.
00:40:20.000 I mean, all these, what is it, like Generation Z? I almost said Millennials, but every time I say Millennials, people scream at me and they're like, we're not Millennials!
00:40:28.000 I'm like, okay, whatever.
00:40:29.000 Everybody who's younger than me who's bad.
00:40:34.000 They complain constantly about not having anything.
00:40:40.000 Have you noticed that online?
00:40:41.000 It's like, oh, all these older people with their houses and their money and their jobs and all we have is debt and climate change and nothing. 1.00
00:40:51.000 And I'm like, you're 20 years old.
00:40:52.000 You're supposed to have nothing.
00:40:53.000 You deserve nothing. 1.00
00:40:54.000 You're a useless person. 1.00
00:40:56.000 What do you... 1.00
00:40:57.000 I mean, think about...
00:40:58.000 Well, I wouldn't say they're useless. 0.96
00:41:00.000 When I was 20, I think I was quite useless. 0.98
00:41:02.000 Were you? 0.80
00:41:03.000 I mean, I was just at the bar.
00:41:05.000 I mean, I'm still at the bar, but I'm productive aside from just being at the bar.
00:41:10.000 But I think when I was 20, I was literally just at the bar.
00:41:14.000 I don't know.
00:41:14.000 You don't know anything when you're 20. You don't know yourself.
00:41:16.000 You're learning, but you have a lot of hubris.
00:41:19.000 You know, people, they have a lot of ego, and they also want success immediately.
00:41:25.000 They want it right now.
00:41:26.000 Yeah.
00:41:27.000 They're like, why don't I have a house?
00:41:28.000 That's part of the culture of, you know, participation trophies and this coddled helicopter parent culture where kids Haven't experienced, you know, in general.
00:41:41.000 They haven't experienced as much hardship as people of previous generations.
00:41:44.000 As much difficulty in getting through life.
00:41:47.000 And also they've been told, each one of them, that they're special and unique.
00:41:51.000 And told things like body positivity, which is one of my favorites.
00:41:55.000 Like, it's okay to be a glutton.
00:41:57.000 It's body positivity.
00:41:59.000 Love yourself.
00:42:00.000 Eat that cupcake.
00:42:01.000 You should love yourself, but she also realized that cupcakes are basically poison that tastes good.
00:42:06.000 It's basically like a very slow drip poison.
00:42:09.000 I eat them.
00:42:11.000 I eat a cupcake every now and then.
00:42:12.000 I really like cake a lot.
00:42:14.000 That's good.
00:42:15.000 It's very yummy.
00:42:16.000 Not every day.
00:42:17.000 Not every day.
00:42:17.000 It does.
00:42:17.000 It tastes really good.
00:42:18.000 It tastes great.
00:42:19.000 I mean, and this plays into the gender identity stuff, right?
00:42:23.000 Because, I mean, this is really, again, taken over the younger generation who expect to be validated.
00:42:31.000 Yeah.
00:42:36.000 I feel non-binary.
00:42:38.000 It's like, good for you.
00:42:39.000 That doesn't mean anything.
00:42:41.000 Also, you're not special.
00:42:43.000 You're just like everyone else.
00:42:44.000 I think if you actually tried to explain what non-binary means, which most of them can't in any kind of cohesive way, you would discover that everybody is a bit non-binary.
00:42:55.000 Like, I don't subscribe fully to femininity.
00:42:59.000 You know, I'm obviously not a very passive person.
00:43:01.000 You tell me, box.
00:43:03.000 I love punching things.
00:43:05.000 Yeah, shout out to my trainer Chris at Quilombo in Sailita.
00:43:14.000 You have to come visit us, by the way.
00:43:15.000 It's actually, it's a Muay Thai gym, I was telling you before the show, but he's doing jujitsu tournaments there.
00:43:21.000 So they just did the white belt tournament and then they'll move up and I think probably by around March they'll do the black belt tournament.
00:43:27.000 That's awesome.
00:43:28.000 You should come visit.
00:43:29.000 How many people live in that area?
00:43:32.000 Okay, so in Sayulita, like I think people who actually live there year-round is probably, I'm probably going to get this wrong, but like maybe around like 2,500.
00:43:42.000 That's it.
00:43:43.000 And then there's tons of tourists that come.
00:43:45.000 And I was one of those tourists, but I never left, so now I'm a local.
00:43:50.000 So you went there as a tourist because you were kind of stuck in Canada. 0.99
00:43:55.000 Canada's lockdowns are fucking preposterous. 0.97
00:43:58.000 And by the way, did you see Trudeau yesterday on TV using different pronouns to describe the recession and the recovery? 0.99
00:44:08.000 Yeah.
00:44:08.000 Oh, like the She Session?
00:44:10.000 Yeah.
00:44:10.000 Did you see that?
00:44:11.000 I didn't actually watch it, but I did.
00:44:13.000 Go to Jordan Peterson's Instagram or his Twitter page.
00:44:16.000 He retweeted it and said that this cannot be shared enough. 0.98
00:44:20.000 People need to understand how ridiculous this person is. 1.00
00:44:24.000 He's the worst. 1.00
00:44:24.000 What is he doing, though? 1.00
00:44:26.000 Why would he do that?
00:44:27.000 What's the motivation to do that?
00:44:29.000 He's just making up for all the times he wore a brown face. 0.72
00:44:33.000 I mean, I don't know.
00:44:36.000 I mean, a few times.
00:44:38.000 I mean, that's the thing I care about least in terms of Trudeau.
00:44:43.000 Let's hear this.
00:44:45.000 Take it from the beginning, because it's...
00:44:49.000 It is exactly the example of the kinds of things you need to do to counter the she-session and turn it into a she-covery. 0.99
00:45:00.000 Fact is, the conservatives don't talk about that in their lengthy platform. 0.99
00:45:07.000 Like, is it that the re-session is sexist, so he's called- what the fuck is a she-session? 0.98
00:45:13.000 What does that mean? 0.99
00:45:14.000 I don't know.
00:45:15.000 She-session and she-covery?
00:45:17.000 I think he's probably, I'm assuming...
00:45:20.000 He's such a tryhard. 1.00
00:45:21.000 He's such a loser. 1.00
00:45:22.000 He's trying to say, like, maybe that women... 1.00
00:45:26.000 Is he trying to say that women suffered more during COVID financially? 0.99
00:45:29.000 He's not saying shit. 0.99
00:45:30.000 He's not saying shit. 0.99
00:45:31.000 He's just making up words. 0.99
00:45:32.000 I should stop giving him so much credit to think that he's actually just saying something.
00:45:35.000 How many terms has he done?
00:45:37.000 So this is two.
00:45:39.000 This is his second term?
00:45:40.000 So he won the second term.
00:45:42.000 Yeah.
00:45:43.000 When did that happen?
00:45:45.000 Please don't ask me questions like this.
00:45:47.000 Oh, sorry.
00:45:47.000 But you're a Canadian.
00:45:48.000 No, I know.
00:45:49.000 I have a terrible memory, though.
00:45:50.000 But that's hilariously bad.
00:45:52.000 Because I could tell you when Biden got elected.
00:45:53.000 He just called a new election.
00:45:55.000 So there's going to be another election in October.
00:45:58.000 So he's been in for a while now.
00:46:01.000 He called an election?
00:46:02.000 So he gets to say, let's have a new election?
00:46:05.000 Yeah.
00:46:05.000 Why would he do that?
00:46:06.000 Well, I assume it has something to do with COVID and how well he thinks he's handled COVID. And he hasn't.
00:46:12.000 He's been the worst.
00:46:14.000 I mean, their shutdowns in Canada were...
00:46:18.000 Psycho and never-ending and destroyed so many businesses, so many small businesses.
00:46:26.000 We've all been miserable.
00:46:27.000 This is literally why I left the country.
00:46:30.000 The politics in Canada are terrible and the Liberal Party are also right now trying to push through all these anti-free speech bills.
00:46:40.000 And I honestly got scared that I was like, I'm not going to be able to work here.
00:46:44.000 I'm going to get arrested.
00:46:46.000 There's two bills, I think, Bill C36 and Bill C10. And one of them is to regulate online speech.
00:46:56.000 So what it would do is it would force platforms like YouTube or Twitter or Facebook to take down content that the Canadian government deemed to be hate speech.
00:47:09.000 So basically everything that I do. 0.98
00:47:13.000 Because they're on board with all this gender identity shit, right? 1.00
00:47:15.000 And you also, it's basically, it's practically illegal to say anything critical about COVID or vaccines and all of that stuff. 0.98
00:47:21.000 Really?
00:47:22.000 Yeah.
00:47:22.000 And the other one is about changing hate speech laws.
00:47:29.000 I mean, they're working so hard to limit free speech in Canada, and nobody cares.
00:47:37.000 Canadians are the most passive people I have ever encountered, and they have no idea why any of these things are important.
00:47:46.000 Before I moved to Mexico, I was thinking about moving to the US, like to Texas, for example, because I think it's going in a really, really dangerous direction and nobody's doing anything or saying anything, or very few people in any case.
00:48:02.000 And this is our, you know, progressive, like, feminist prime minister. 1.00
00:48:08.000 People really, really trust the government.
00:48:11.000 So all these ongoing restrictions that were happening during COVID, they...
00:48:16.000 People genuinely believe that the government has their best interests in mind, and they think that if they just keep following the rules, then things will work out for them, even if that's irrational, even if they've seen, we've been following the rules this whole time, and nothing's changed,
00:48:31.000 we're not being given our freedoms back, in fact, they're working to take away more of our freedoms, you know.
00:48:36.000 You can't!
00:48:37.000 It's illegal to say that you can't gather with other people, like you can't have religious gatherings, that you can't go to church, that you can't protest.
00:48:45.000 And that's what they did over COVID, right?
00:48:47.000 Like this BLM protest that happened during COVID is fine. 0.97
00:48:51.000 But this, you know, like anti-lockdown protest is illegal, essentially.
00:48:58.000 And people don't see why that's a problem.
00:49:01.000 And it's crazy to me.
00:49:02.000 And it's super scary to me.
00:49:04.000 De Blasio did that in New York City as well.
00:49:06.000 He said the only protests that are acceptable was Black Lives Matter protests. 1.00
00:49:10.000 I'm like, you're not allowed to do that, you fuck. 1.00
00:49:12.000 No! 1.00
00:49:13.000 You're not allowed.
00:49:13.000 That's not how rights work.
00:49:14.000 Especially in America.
00:49:15.000 I don't know how it works in Canada, but you can't do that.
00:49:19.000 But he did it.
00:49:20.000 And this is the same guy that just made a vaccine passport.
00:49:25.000 And I have a real problem because I have a show there in Madison Square Garden in October and I've already sold 13,000 tickets.
00:49:32.000 And now they say that everybody has to be vaccinated.
00:49:35.000 And I want everybody to know that you can get your money back.
00:49:41.000 I don't know what to do.
00:49:43.000 I'm stuck in this situation. 1.00
00:49:44.000 If someone has an ideological or a physiological reason for not getting vaccinated, I don't want to force them to get vaccinated to see a fucking stupid comedy show. 0.99
00:49:58.000 No, I mean, people should be able to make their own choices about their health and their bodies. 0.96
00:50:03.000 But beyond that, I mean, vaccine mandates don't even work.
00:50:05.000 Like, I think in Sweden they've never had mandates, and yet more people are vaccinated in Sweden.
00:50:11.000 Like, they have a super high vaccination rate.
00:50:14.000 I mean, when you're telling somebody you have to do this, I think there is going to be some kind of questioning.
00:50:20.000 Obviously not for a lot of people who are, like, eagerly getting on board.
00:50:23.000 But, I mean, speaking personally, I'm much less likely to do something if someone tells me I have to.
00:50:28.000 You're like, no, you don't tell me what to do.
00:50:29.000 I'm going to figure this out myself.
00:50:31.000 Like, why do I have to?
00:50:32.000 Like, what's happening here?
00:50:35.000 Well, here's my main problem with it.
00:50:37.000 There's a lot of people that have gone through COVID already, and they have natural immunity.
00:50:42.000 And they're telling them they have to be vaccinated, too.
00:50:45.000 But that's not logical.
00:50:47.000 It's not rational.
00:50:48.000 And it doesn't...
00:50:49.000 It's not supported by science.
00:50:51.000 This doesn't make sense.
00:50:52.000 No, none of it makes sense.
00:50:54.000 And, you know, and Trudeau just announced the other day that all government employees essentially were going to have to be vaccinated to work.
00:51:04.000 What about government employees that have gotten COVID and recovered?
00:51:08.000 Exactly.
00:51:08.000 And have antibodies.
00:51:09.000 But also, you can't say you can only have a job, i.e., you can only survive if you get this vaccine.
00:51:17.000 I mean, is this legal?
00:51:19.000 Well, not only that, it's not really a vaccine in the traditional sense.
00:51:24.000 A vaccine is where they take a dead virus and they turn into a vaccine and they inject it into your body so that your body fights off.
00:51:32.000 It develops the antibodies and your body understands what that is, whether it's the measles or polio.
00:51:38.000 It knows how to fight it off.
00:51:39.000 This is really gene therapy.
00:51:41.000 It's a different thing.
00:51:42.000 It's tricking your body into producing spike protein and making these antibodies for COVID. But it's only good for a few months.
00:51:52.000 They're finding out now the efficacy wanes after five or six months.
00:51:57.000 I'm not saying that people shouldn't take it, but I'm saying you're calling it a thing that it's not.
00:52:01.000 It's not exactly what you're saying it is.
00:52:05.000 And you're mandating people take it.
00:52:07.000 And there's no repercussions if they have any side effects.
00:52:10.000 There's nothing they can do about it.
00:52:12.000 Yeah, and I mean, I think most people probably don't...
00:52:17.000 I mean, I've gotten a flu shot once in my entire life, and it wasn't because I was scared of getting the flu.
00:52:24.000 I've never really thought about vaccines that much before, to be honest.
00:52:28.000 So I was just like, okay, sure, I guess I'll get them.
00:52:31.000 And I was at the doctor's office, and she was like, do you want a flu shot?
00:52:34.000 And I was like, oh, okay, sure.
00:52:35.000 But I'm not, you know, I never got flu shots before that.
00:52:39.000 Like, I'm healthy.
00:52:40.000 I have a strong immune system.
00:52:41.000 I'm not worried about getting sick.
00:52:43.000 I'm not worried about COVID. Why do I need a vaccine?
00:52:47.000 Like, why do young, healthy people need a vaccine?
00:52:50.000 The idea is that you're going to give it to other people and you're going to spread it.
00:52:53.000 But they have a vaccine, so why am I giving it to them?
00:52:55.000 Here's the problem.
00:52:56.000 The problem with that is even when you're vaccinated, you can get it and you can spread it.
00:53:01.000 So none of this makes sense.
00:53:03.000 No.
00:53:03.000 So there's no point in any of this.
00:53:05.000 The only thing that is true is that if you're vaccinated, you have a better time recovering from COVID. They should try ivermectin.
00:53:15.000 Should they?
00:53:19.000 Am I allowed to say that?
00:53:20.000 I think you're allowed to say it.
00:53:21.000 I think they need real studies on ivermectin.
00:53:24.000 That's what I think.
00:53:25.000 I mean, I'm not a doctor.
00:53:26.000 I'm not a doctor either.
00:53:27.000 I think they need real studies.
00:53:29.000 I think there's some interesting evidence that shows that prophylactically it's very effective.
00:53:35.000 It's very effective to stop people from getting it.
00:53:38.000 There was a study out of Argentina I believe, where they give it to frontline healthcare workers.
00:53:46.000 And the healthcare workers that took it, it was like 100% of them didn't get COVID. And the ones that didn't, I believe it was almost half of them got it.
00:53:55.000 Somewhere in the neighborhood of half of them got it and half of them didn't get it.
00:53:59.000 I mean, my understanding is just that your symptoms were worse or less bad and you would recover faster.
00:54:08.000 If you got the vaccine.
00:54:09.000 No, if you take ivermectin.
00:54:11.000 Well, the vaccine as well, though.
00:54:13.000 That's the same thing.
00:54:14.000 Oh, okay, okay.
00:54:14.000 Even people that do get COVID, when they've been vaccinated, it's a safer experience for them.
00:54:19.000 Well, okay.
00:54:20.000 But I mean, the point is that ivermectin is an option that's essentially been banned in North America, whereas in Mexico, you can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy for real cheap.
00:54:30.000 And supposedly, I mean, there is research that shows that it helps.
00:54:34.000 And yet, in North America, they're just pushing vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
00:54:38.000 That's the only option.
00:54:38.000 And it's not the only option.
00:54:40.000 Yeah, there's options for treatment, and the big one that I've been pushing from the beginning is, God, if there's ever been a wake-up call where you have clear reason to take care of your body,
00:54:56.000 now's the time.
00:54:57.000 Like, please, if you're listening to this, lose weight.
00:55:01.000 Please exercise.
00:55:03.000 Please take vitamins.
00:55:05.000 Please eat healthy foods.
00:55:07.000 Please.
00:55:08.000 That will have a significant impact in your ability to withstand anything.
00:55:14.000 Not just this virus, but all viruses.
00:55:17.000 All colds.
00:55:18.000 You'll have a more resilient body.
00:55:20.000 You'll have a better immune system.
00:55:22.000 This is all proven stuff.
00:55:24.000 This is not voodoo.
00:55:26.000 Like, if you eat well and sleep well and take vitamins and exercise, you have a better immune system.
00:55:33.000 It's a fact.
00:55:35.000 Yeah.
00:55:35.000 It's how it works.
00:55:36.000 There's like basic practical things that you can do.
00:55:40.000 I mean, there's basic practical things that you can do, obviously, to improve your health and to avoid, you know, getting real sick if you get COVID or whatever.
00:55:49.000 But there's also like basic, this frustrates me a lot, there's basic practical things that you can do to help your own mental health.
00:55:55.000 Yes.
00:55:56.000 You know, so this thing where it's like we throw prescriptions at people for everything.
00:56:01.000 We do that for, you know, physical health reasons, but we also do this for mental health reasons.
00:56:06.000 And it's like, you know, it seems really weird to me that so many people are really, really depressed and they all need to be on drugs for depression.
00:56:15.000 And I would like to offer exercise, doing something useful with your life that makes you feel good about yourself and productive and like you've succeeded.
00:56:26.000 Like try to learn and become better at like a new skill.
00:56:31.000 People don't want to hear that though.
00:56:33.000 They want that pill.
00:56:36.000 There's a lot of people that really don't want to hear that.
00:56:38.000 They want to pretend that, first of all, with some people, there's a legitimate issue.
00:56:44.000 There's an absolute issue that can't be resolved with exercise and diet.
00:56:49.000 We have to make room for those people.
00:56:51.000 It's a chemical imbalance.
00:56:52.000 Yeah.
00:56:52.000 All of it.
00:56:53.000 Some of it.
00:56:53.000 I think for some people it's real.
00:56:55.000 Yeah, of course.
00:56:56.000 Totally.
00:56:56.000 But not all of it and not for everybody.
00:56:58.000 A lot of people.
00:56:59.000 In fact, there was a study that showed that physical exercise was as effective, if not more effective, for treating depression statistically than SSRIs.
00:57:10.000 See if you can find that.
00:57:11.000 It was a rigorous cardiovascular exercise as or more effective than SSRIs to treat depression.
00:57:22.000 I mean, I'm going to be honest.
00:57:24.000 Are you going to be honest?
00:57:26.000 I'm going to start right now.
00:57:28.000 Are you ready?
00:57:29.000 Is it this stuff?
00:57:30.000 What do you call this?
00:57:31.000 I'm trying to go slow.
00:57:32.000 Go slow.
00:57:33.000 This stuff's horrific.
00:57:34.000 I can't believe you purchased it.
00:57:36.000 Dude, I can drink so much of this stuff, and so I am trying to go slow.
00:57:42.000 How can you drink so much of this stuff?
00:57:44.000 I take a thimble full.
00:57:46.000 I want to black out.
00:57:47.000 I really like it.
00:57:49.000 I'm very good at drinking, also.
00:57:50.000 I believe you.
00:57:52.000 Are you a lush? 0.99
00:57:54.000 I said I'm very good at drinking.
00:57:56.000 I feel like a lush has a negative connotation like you're drunk all the time, and I'm not drunk all the time. 0.68
00:58:01.000 You just lick a lot? 0.85
00:58:02.000 I can handle my booze.
00:58:03.000 I like to party.
00:58:07.000 Okay, so what I was going to say is that I haven't always, I'm going to be honest, I haven't always been a big exerciser.
00:58:14.000 I spent a very long time not exercising at all.
00:58:19.000 And, you know, a lot of that just had to do with the fact that, you know, like when I was younger, I was like when I was a teenager, when I was in my 20s, I was like naturally thin.
00:58:27.000 So I just didn't really have any reason to.
00:58:30.000 And then, you know, once you get older and your metabolism slows down, you start putting on weight and you're like, Oh shit, I guess I have to start exercising.
00:58:37.000 But what I learned, and again, you know, when I got to, I was working with a boxing trainer in Vancouver before I went to Sayalita and I swam laps and I was doing some strength training, which I really enjoyed a lot.
00:58:50.000 And then when I got to Sailita, I found Chris in Quilombo and started working with him.
00:58:57.000 And I really love it a lot.
00:59:00.000 It's fun.
00:59:00.000 I mean, I feel like I want to kill myself every time I go and lay down and die.
00:59:05.000 And I complain a lot the whole time.
00:59:06.000 I know you don't like complaining, but I'm a big fan of complaining.
00:59:10.000 But...
00:59:12.000 You know, like, it makes me feel...
00:59:14.000 Like, if I ever feel any kind of, like, anxiety or if I'm feeling sad about...
00:59:19.000 Like, it makes me feel so much better.
00:59:21.000 I feel so much better about myself.
00:59:24.000 I mean, just in terms of really basic stuff, like building muscles and you can feel your body changing, which is cool.
00:59:31.000 But in terms of...
00:59:33.000 I don't have major mental health issues, which I'm grateful for.
00:59:36.000 Like, I've never had big issues with depression or anxiety or anything like that.
00:59:41.000 But...
00:59:41.000 It just, you know, if I don't want to go, I'm like, okay, I gotta go.
00:59:46.000 Like, I feel like, I'm like, I feel bad.
00:59:49.000 I feel sad.
00:59:50.000 Like, I don't want to stay in bed.
00:59:51.000 It always, always makes me feel so much better.
00:59:53.000 And I just wish that people understood.
00:59:55.000 Like, it's not a lie.
00:59:56.000 It really, and it makes you feel better about yourself that you're doing something that's hard for you and that you're doing it even if you don't want to go.
01:00:03.000 Like, even if you're feeling lazy and you're like, I don't want to go.
01:00:06.000 And then you go and you're like, I did it.
01:00:07.000 Like, I can do things that I don't want to do.
01:00:10.000 Like, And they're beneficial.
01:00:11.000 It's just so good for how you feel about yourself.
01:00:15.000 Yeah.
01:00:15.000 I think what you're doing too, like boxing, is so good because there's something about hitting a thing, like a punching bag, that is so stress relieving.
01:00:23.000 Oh yeah.
01:00:24.000 I love it so much.
01:00:25.000 It's awesome.
01:00:26.000 I'm really not good, so I don't want to pretend.
01:00:30.000 I don't want to be like, yeah, I know what I'm doing.
01:00:32.000 I mean, I am getting better, but I'm just really slow, so it's frustrating.
01:00:36.000 Well, you don't have to be good just to hit things.
01:00:38.000 Here it is.
01:00:38.000 Oh, Rhonda Patrick, there you go.
01:00:40.000 Moderate aerobic exercise improved depressive symptoms by 55% in adults with major depressions.
01:00:46.000 Individuals with more severe symptoms and better reward processing seem to benefit from exercise the most.
01:00:53.000 I couldn't find the part of being better than SSRIs, but... 0.99
01:00:56.000 That's pretty fucking good. 0.96
01:00:57.000 55% is pretty fucking impressive. 0.98
01:01:00.000 And this is a Rutgers study. 0.96
01:01:03.000 These are good stats.
01:01:05.000 I've never had a problem with depression, but I've never not exercised.
01:01:09.000 So I've been very fortunate that since I was a teenager, I've always exercised.
01:01:14.000 I got involved in martial arts very early in life, and so I was involved with very rigorous exercise from the time I was really young.
01:01:23.000 I regret.
01:01:24.000 I don't have very many regrets in my life.
01:01:28.000 I don't think that regrets are very useful, but I genuinely regret not having started boxing way, way, way earlier, just because, you know, when you start doing something like that in your 40s, you're just never going to be that good.
01:01:39.000 Like, you're always going to be a bit slow, and I really wish...
01:01:42.000 Do you feel like you're physically slow?
01:01:44.000 I feel like...
01:01:46.000 Like fast twitch fibers, that kind of stuff?
01:01:48.000 I mean, I have bad knees, so I just can't move very quickly.
01:01:52.000 What's wrong with your knees?
01:01:54.000 Okay, well, I hurt my knee doing Taekwondo when I was like in my early 20s and never went to physio and I was having issues with it.
01:02:04.000 This is the least interesting thing I've ever said in my life.
01:02:07.000 I was having like, I had like this issue, actually a really gross issue with my knee when I was in high school.
01:02:13.000 So I'd be like running or playing basketball or something and my kneecap would move out of the way, which would cause me to fall down and was very painful.
01:02:23.000 Your kneecap would move out of the way?
01:02:25.000 Yeah.
01:02:25.000 So I'd be like in the middle of running and my kneecap would sort of shift.
01:02:28.000 And then if your kneecap shifts and you try to bend your knee, you can't do it because your kneecap's not in the right place.
01:02:34.000 And I think it created, it made my knee pretty sensitive.
01:02:39.000 I didn't go to physio, so I actually can't.
01:02:41.000 I'm trying to like explain what it is, but I don't know what it is.
01:02:44.000 So I sort of already had a knee injury.
01:02:46.000 And then I heard it doing Taekwondo and again, just never dealt with it.
01:02:50.000 So it's just, it's stiff and it doesn't work very well.
01:02:55.000 I can't believe I'm going to bring this up again, but there's a guy who's got a website called, his Instagram is kneesovertoesguy.
01:03:02.000 Oh, you're trying to help me.
01:03:03.000 You're not just trying to make me talk about my weird knee injury in a bunch of people.
01:03:07.000 He's got a bunch of great exercises for strengthening and stabilizing your knee.
01:03:12.000 Okay.
01:03:13.000 That I'm a big proponent of.
01:03:15.000 Weight training helped a lot.
01:03:16.000 Doing deadlifts and stuff like that and doing squats helped a lot.
01:03:20.000 They are totally way better than they used to be but they're just stiff and so I just feel like I can't move really quickly.
01:03:28.000 Weightlifting and squats and those sorts of exercises are great but what he's emphasizing is A very specific range of motion with lifting weights that strengthens the knee when you put the knee in positions where it's generally thought of as being more unstable,
01:03:45.000 like when your knees are over your toes.
01:03:48.000 That's why his knees over toes guy. 0.98
01:03:50.000 And the idea is to like get it so that your knee can be very strong through the entire range of motion.
01:03:57.000 So if you look at someone like who's jumping, like he uses basketball as an example and it's a great example because you know when you're in the middle of like if someone's dribbling the ball and they're cutting left or right there's often times where your knee is in these like unstable positions or when you're jumping And landing,
01:04:16.000 you know, your knee is over your toes and his idea is to strengthen the knee in all of these ranges of motion where you traditionally would be weak and make your knees and all the surrounding muscles strong so that you can move in any direction and never have a problem with that sort of instability.
01:04:37.000 It's very beneficial.
01:04:38.000 I do it all the time.
01:04:39.000 Yeah, this is great information.
01:04:41.000 So in my brain, I can't run and I can't jump because it hurts my knee.
01:04:47.000 If I tried to run a couple blocks, it would make my knee kind of hurt and swell up.
01:04:53.000 But in my brain, for a very long time, I've been like, I can't run, I can't jump.
01:04:58.000 And so, I mean, I suspect that there is...
01:05:02.000 Some kind of solution I could maybe move past this block.
01:05:06.000 I was like, no, no, no, I can't jump rope.
01:05:08.000 I mean, I don't want to jump rope.
01:05:09.000 You can't jump rope?
01:05:10.000 No.
01:05:10.000 Really?
01:05:11.000 Just that?
01:05:12.000 Yeah, like, yeah.
01:05:13.000 That hurts your knee?
01:05:14.000 It hurts my knee.
01:05:15.000 Yeah, like, any kind of, like...
01:05:16.000 Did you ever get an MRI? No.
01:05:18.000 Maybe you should do one of those.
01:05:19.000 Do they have those in Mexico?
01:05:21.000 Probably.
01:05:22.000 They just put your knee up to the light and...
01:05:24.000 I'll check it out.
01:05:26.000 What is patellar tracking disorder?
01:05:29.000 Patellar tracking disorder means that the kneecap shifts out of place as the leg bends or straightens.
01:05:34.000 In most cases, the kneecap shifts too far toward the outside of the leg.
01:05:38.000 In a few people, it shifts towards the inside.
01:05:40.000 Your knee joint is a complex hinge that joins the two bones of the lower leg and the thigh bone.
01:05:46.000 That's just sort of maybe an explanation of...
01:05:48.000 Who is this guy that you mentioned?
01:05:50.000 What was his name again?
01:05:51.000 Knees over toes guy on Instagram.
01:05:54.000 This is the man, Ben Patrick. 0.83
01:05:57.000 I really hope that my trainer didn't tell me about this and I forgot and now he's going to kill me because he's going to be watching and be like, I told you!
01:06:03.000 See how he's doing that? 0.53
01:06:04.000 That scares me.
01:06:05.000 The idea of trying to do that, I'm like, ugh.
01:06:08.000 My knee!
01:06:09.000 Yeah, she's doing it a little lighter.
01:06:11.000 Yeah, she's got assisted with poles. 1.00
01:06:13.000 This is giving me anxiety.
01:06:15.000 He's doing it with just body weight and he's going way deep.
01:06:18.000 But that's the way to do it.
01:06:20.000 If you can do that, you can get to a point where, you know, and you obviously you build up to it slowly and he has like a whole system where you start out very slowly and, you know, you progress towards what he calls dense strength.
01:06:36.000 And these positions like he's doing now, I do that all the time.
01:06:40.000 I work at it all the time.
01:06:41.000 It's really great for developing range of motion, strength, flexibility. 0.99
01:06:46.000 Watch this shit that he can do because this is so bizarre. 0.99
01:06:48.000 He can go all the way down there like this and then pops all the way back up. 1.00
01:06:52.000 And this guy's had major knee surgeries.
01:06:55.000 Okay.
01:06:56.000 And he was told at one point in time that there was nothing that he was going to be able to do about his knees.
01:07:02.000 This is stressing me out only because I'm thinking about how much...
01:07:05.000 This would hurt my knee.
01:07:06.000 And I'm like, oh.
01:07:07.000 Well, it's a great program.
01:07:10.000 But I mean, I think that what I've learned from this conversation is that it was right to never go to physiotherapy and just to come on your podcast.
01:07:18.000 Maybe a physiotherapy people would have prescribed something similar along the same lines.
01:07:23.000 It probably would have helped, but it's too late now.
01:07:25.000 Is it though?
01:07:26.000 No.
01:07:28.000 Okay, I'll try to do something and I'll stop being like, I can't jump rope or run.
01:07:33.000 I mean, to be fair, I hate running and jumping rope.
01:07:35.000 Yeah, well, maybe the running thing, you build up to that.
01:07:39.000 You know, if your knee swells up and you run.
01:07:41.000 And then I won't have an excuse anymore.
01:07:42.000 You might have something going on there.
01:07:44.000 You might have like a bad meniscus tear or some cartilage damage or something.
01:07:49.000 Probably there's something going on.
01:07:51.000 Could be.
01:07:52.000 Yeah.
01:07:53.000 Is this what we came here to do?
01:07:54.000 No, we can talk about anything.
01:07:55.000 It doesn't matter.
01:07:56.000 It doesn't matter what we're talking about.
01:07:57.000 I feel like I'm almost done my drink.
01:07:59.000 Like, how far are you into your drink?
01:08:01.000 I'm pretty far in.
01:08:02.000 Oh, God. 1.00
01:08:03.000 Pussy. 1.00
01:08:04.000 What are you talking about? 1.00
01:08:06.000 I'm almost done.
01:08:07.000 Okay, okay. 1.00
01:08:07.000 This nasty shit you fucking forced me to drink. 1.00
01:08:11.000 It'll grow on you. 1.00
01:08:13.000 But it won't.
01:08:14.000 I like whiskey.
01:08:14.000 I like things that taste good.
01:08:16.000 Okay, let me ask you a question.
01:08:18.000 Please do.
01:08:19.000 Since this is my podcast.
01:08:22.000 You use correct pronouns.
01:08:25.000 Correct.
01:08:26.000 Is that right?
01:08:27.000 Correct pronouns.
01:08:27.000 Right.
01:08:27.000 So if a man identifies as a woman, you'll call him her or she.
01:08:34.000 If that's what she wants or he wants, yeah.
01:08:37.000 Okay, so why is that?
01:08:38.000 Because if that's what they want. 0.99
01:08:39.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99
01:08:40.000 Okay, but don't you think... 0.99
01:08:41.000 I'll change their name if they want to be called Debbie. 0.99
01:08:43.000 Okay, Debbie.
01:08:44.000 The name doesn't bother me that much.
01:08:46.000 One-on-one I would do that.
01:08:47.000 Like if I was like talking to a friend and they identified as she and they were a man, then I don't feel like I would be super inclined to be like he, he, he, he.
01:09:00.000 Right, right, right.
01:09:01.000 To make a statement about doing it.
01:09:03.000 But I feel like in public it has wider repercussions and I feel like it participates in this greater lie that if you identify as the opposite sex, that's what you are.
01:09:17.000 And I feel also that it's unnecessary.
01:09:19.000 So I feel like it plays into this idea that it's offensive to say what I say, for example.
01:09:25.000 So the fact that I called Yaniv him or You know, I refuse to use correct pronouns.
01:09:32.000 Unless it's like on a personal level, then I don't care.
01:09:34.000 I'm not trying to be rude.
01:09:36.000 And you do for a point.
01:09:37.000 You're making a point.
01:09:38.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:09:42.000 I feel like it sells out people who don't use correct pronouns.
01:09:47.000 I feel like it plays into and reinforces this idea that it's offensive and it's not offensive.
01:09:53.000 To call a man he isn't offensive.
01:09:56.000 To call a male a man isn't offensive.
01:09:59.000 You're just stating a neutral fact.
01:10:02.000 So I sort of feel like the more people that participate in that, the more it does make it seem like a crazy, offensive, hateful, really mean thing to say if you don't use correct pronouns.
01:10:14.000 And I feel like that's a standard that's been set by companies like Twitter. 0.90
01:10:19.000 People often say to me, they act like I'm being stupid when I talk about this. 0.97
01:10:23.000 They're like, who cares? 0.99
01:10:23.000 You got kicked off of Twitter. 0.99
01:10:25.000 No big deal.
01:10:25.000 And it is a big deal for me because I'm independent.
01:10:27.000 Like, I don't work for anybody.
01:10:29.000 I don't have some other job.
01:10:31.000 I've built my own platform.
01:10:33.000 I've created my own audience.
01:10:35.000 This is how I make an income.
01:10:37.000 So it does matter to me in that sense.
01:10:39.000 But it's also that it's, like, set a precedent, right?
01:10:44.000 Like, it says, people will say, oh, Megan's hateful.
01:10:48.000 Like, Megan's a really bad person. 0.88
01:10:50.000 Megan's transphobic. 0.83
01:10:51.000 She even got kicked off Twitter.
01:10:54.000 So, and, you know, because it sort of seeped into journalism, for example, so people will report stories about pedophiles and rapists and abusers and use their preferred pronouns because that's like the polite thing to do.
01:11:12.000 I feel like, I'm not trying to be like, I came here to call you out, but I do...
01:11:18.000 I think people don't understand why it matters sometimes.
01:11:21.000 So they don't understand why I'm doing it because they're like, why don't you just be nice?
01:11:25.000 Like, why don't you just use the correct pronoun?
01:11:27.000 Right.
01:11:27.000 And it's for me, it's like a much bigger thing than just a one-on-one interaction or like a polite thing.
01:11:34.000 Well, it's certainly a new thing. 0.99
01:11:37.000 And one of the problems with new things like this is that people, they want to reinforce it to the point where it's like doctrine, you know, like where there's no getting around it, like this is the rule and you have to abide by that rule or you're a piece of shit. 1.00
01:11:55.000 When it comes to men with beards and penises and testicles that want you to call them a woman, aren't you just crazy? 1.00
01:12:05.000 What is going on here? 1.00
01:12:07.000 You're saying you want me to call you a woman, but you have a full beard. 1.00
01:12:11.000 Like, I was looking at this one person, I don't need to name this person, but there's this one person that said, you know, that some women have penises, and if you don't like that, you can suck my dick. 1.00
01:12:22.000 That was a direct quote. 1.00
01:12:23.000 Yeah, I saw somebody say that too.
01:12:24.000 I don't know if it was the same person.
01:12:25.000 With a full beard.
01:12:26.000 Full beard. 0.93
01:12:27.000 Like, terrorist beard. 0.51
01:12:28.000 Oh, I know what you're talking about.
01:12:30.000 I can't remember his name.
01:12:31.000 And wearing a dress.
01:12:32.000 I'm like, you're throwing it in everybody's face that they have to accept that there's no way you're a woman. 0.92
01:12:41.000 You're clearly exhibiting all these masculine characteristics, but yet you want to be defined as a woman because you want to be special.
01:12:49.000 Because you want special treatment and maybe you do have gender dysphoria and maybe you do enjoy wearing a beard as well with your gender dysphoria, but there's also something about you that enjoys this authoritarian aspect of this forcing people to comply with calling you a woman. 0.88
01:13:06.000 It's fucking strange because there are definitely people with legitimate gender dysphoria that want to be a woman and they're biologically male. 0.96
01:13:16.000 And then there's grifters. 0.99
01:13:18.000 There's crazy people.
01:13:20.000 There's people that have locked onto this movement and they recognize that there's this thing that's happening now.
01:13:28.000 Where if someone says this, you can't say anything about them.
01:13:32.000 Like, you can't criticize their behavior, you can't criticize the way they communicate or discuss, because this person is now in a protected class, because it's a trans woman. 0.99
01:13:44.000 And so they can act bat shit fucking crazy. 1.00
01:13:46.000 Whereas if they were just a man, you'd be like, that guy's a fucking asshole. 1.00
01:13:51.000 But since it's a trans woman, you're like, everyone backs off because they don't want this anti-trans label attached to them. 1.00
01:13:59.000 They don't want to be accused of dead naming her.
01:14:02.000 And so they back off.
01:14:04.000 Yeah, and I think you're right that there is, like, something that they enjoy about having that kind of power, and nobody can challenge them, and it's like, bow down.
01:14:13.000 I mean, the other part of it that people don't talk about is that, like, a lot of these guys have fetishes. 0.95
01:14:18.000 Like, some of them are mentally ill. 0.98
01:14:23.000 Some of them are just liars, and they're just trying to, like, Charlotte Clymer. 1.00
01:14:27.000 Do you know who he is? 0.97
01:14:28.000 No.
01:14:29.000 What was his name before he changed his name?
01:14:35.000 You can say whatever you want.
01:14:37.000 Oh, thank you.
01:14:38.000 We're on Spotify.
01:14:40.000 YouTube's not going to pull it.
01:14:42.000 We're in a weird realm.
01:14:45.000 I thought they were trying to get you canned.
01:14:48.000 No.
01:14:49.000 Oh, those people don't have power over you, huh? 0.95
01:14:50.000 They don't have any power.
01:14:51.000 They sure thought they did.
01:14:52.000 I found that very cute.
01:14:54.000 I was like, oh, you guys are going to get Rogan pulled?
01:14:57.000 Good for you.
01:14:58.000 A very small group of people that misrepresent my stance on things, too, by the way.
01:15:05.000 They characterized me in a very...
01:15:07.000 It's a caricature of who I am versus the actual words that I say and why I say them.
01:15:17.000 And you take things out of context and try to pretend that I'm an anti-trans person or homophobic.
01:15:24.000 None of those things are true.
01:15:26.000 So even their motivation for doing it was just they don't want any gray area.
01:15:32.000 My own... 0.99
01:15:34.000 The only dispute about trans people came because of a trans woman who was competing as a female in MMA fights without telling these women that she's fighting that she was a man for 30 fucking years and just recently became a trans woman and was beating the shit out of them. 1.00
01:15:54.000 And I was like, this is fucked. 1.00
01:15:56.000 And it's gross because that guy knows he's a guy. 1.00
01:16:01.000 These people, like that weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, you know you're a man. 0.64
01:16:11.000 You know you're cheating.
01:16:12.000 You know this isn't fair.
01:16:14.000 And you're doing it anyway.
01:16:15.000 I have no respect for that.
01:16:16.000 Did you see the actual competition?
01:16:18.000 She dropped the weights.
01:16:20.000 I almost feel like she just quit because she didn't want the heat of possibly winning.
01:16:25.000 Really?
01:16:26.000 Yeah.
01:16:26.000 I didn't actually watch, I just read about it after fact.
01:16:28.000 Yeah, it was a whack attempt.
01:16:30.000 Weird.
01:16:30.000 Yeah, it looked whack.
01:16:32.000 To win, to get to represent New Zealand in the Olympics, and then that's how you handle it? 0.99
01:16:37.000 Did you ever see when she's on the podium and those other two biological females are beside her, and they're like, what in the fuck? 1.00
01:16:44.000 Because she's number one, and they're sitting there like, this is some fucking bullshit. 1.00
01:16:49.000 You can see the look of their faces. 1.00
01:16:50.000 Have you seen it?
01:16:51.000 Did you watch the No Thank You?
01:16:54.000 Oh, you didn't?
01:16:55.000 This is the best clip.
01:16:57.000 What?
01:16:57.000 I don't know where you can find it.
01:16:59.000 It's on my Instagram.
01:17:00.000 Okay, so the chick that won at the weightlifting competition, at the press conference, they asked her, like, so, like, what do you think about this historic moment when a trans, whatever they said, was competing?
01:17:15.000 And she just doesn't say anything.
01:17:17.000 She's like...
01:17:19.000 No, thank you.
01:17:22.000 That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.
01:17:25.000 But you know, like they weren't down.
01:17:27.000 They were like, and how insulting to be like, you know, she won and you're going to say like, oh, isn't it amazing that a man tried to compete against you?
01:17:37.000 What a historic moment.
01:17:39.000 Historic moment.
01:17:40.000 Yeah.
01:17:40.000 It's so offensive.
01:17:42.000 Historic moment.
01:17:43.000 I can't wait until there's real...
01:17:45.000 We're going to get to a time, I think, maybe sometime in our lifetime, where a man can become a woman, like legitimately. 0.89
01:17:53.000 No.
01:17:54.000 Like how?
01:17:54.000 What does that mean?
01:17:55.000 Science.
01:17:56.000 Like some sort of literal change of their actual physical biology.
01:18:01.000 Like, you would change their chromosomes and they would have a functioning uterus. 0.95
01:18:06.000 If we can get to a point where there's a complete understanding of all the processes that are involved in taking a fetus and having it become a grown adult, and if we can...
01:18:17.000 Bypass some of those processes in a male to convert a male to a female, or a female to convert a female to a male.
01:18:26.000 That's not outside the realm of possibility.
01:18:29.000 Literal artificial biological life is not outside the realm of possibility.
01:18:34.000 My point is, it's not here.
01:18:36.000 My point is, if one day it happens, then you'll have a real woman. 0.97
01:18:42.000 It'll really be a woman. 0.99
01:18:44.000 You'll be able to turn someone with an XY chromosome into someone with an XX chromosome. 0.99
01:18:49.000 How the fuck are you going to do it? 0.98
01:18:50.000 I don't know. 1.00
01:18:52.000 Look, we can make nuclear bombs.
01:18:54.000 We send video through the air.
01:18:56.000 If people keep working on things, I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle.
01:19:02.000 When that happens...
01:19:05.000 Then we'll be dealing with a completely different thing.
01:19:07.000 Because then you will be like, one day I'll see you and I'm like, when did you become a dude? 1.00
01:19:12.000 And you're like, I got tired of this bitch shit. 1.00
01:19:15.000 I changed my mind. 1.00
01:19:17.000 Yeah, I wanted to be a guy. 1.00
01:19:18.000 Fuck it. 1.00
01:19:19.000 I want to be able to beat people up. 1.00
01:19:20.000 Yeah, I want to be jacked. 0.94
01:19:22.000 No, that'll never happen. 0.99
01:19:23.000 No, but you enjoy being a woman. 1.00
01:19:25.000 But imagine if you didn't.
01:19:27.000 Imagine if you really felt like you should have been a man this whole time, and then someone can actually give you some gene therapy, and you actually do become a man.
01:19:38.000 What would your male name be?
01:19:40.000 Oh my god.
01:19:42.000 I don't know.
01:19:43.000 What do you think my male name should be?
01:19:44.000 Do you have any idea?
01:19:45.000 Mike.
01:19:46.000 No, I had an ex-boyfriend named Mike. 1.00
01:19:48.000 Oh, fuck that guy. 1.00
01:19:49.000 I don't want to... 1.00
01:19:50.000 He's nice, it's okay.
01:19:52.000 How about Mark?
01:19:53.000 I had an ex-boyfriend named Mark also.
01:19:55.000 No, how many ex...
01:19:57.000 Mark was my first boyfriend.
01:19:59.000 Let's keep going down the Rolodex.
01:20:00.000 Okay, try another one.
01:20:02.000 Tom.
01:20:03.000 No, I've never had an ex-boyfriend named Tom.
01:20:06.000 I have a friend named Tom.
01:20:07.000 Do you want to be exotic?
01:20:08.000 These are really boring names.
01:20:11.000 Manuel?
01:20:12.000 Because you're living in Mexico. 1.00
01:20:13.000 Let's get exotic.
01:20:15.000 I'm Irish, man.
01:20:16.000 You can't call me Manuel.
01:20:17.000 Yeah, you can.
01:20:18.000 Okay, give me an Irish name.
01:20:20.000 I could be Colin, I guess.
01:20:22.000 Colin?
01:20:23.000 How about Colin?
01:20:23.000 I don't want to be a man.
01:20:25.000 I was like, wait, wait.
01:20:28.000 I changed my mind.
01:20:30.000 I was talking to a friend of mine on the podcast about if there was a time where you could give someone a pill.
01:20:39.000 And it would alleviate gender dysphoria.
01:20:42.000 Like imagine if gender dysphoria was something where they isolated it and they thought, oh, there's a protein that's off or we figured out how to do this.
01:20:50.000 And through this medication, you will no longer have gender dysphoria and it's permanent. 0.92
01:20:55.000 That would be a great solution.
01:20:57.000 The solution of getting a ton of really, like, awful, painful...
01:21:02.000 These are still experimental surgeries.
01:21:05.000 Like, the surgeries that trans people get to transition, like, they're really horrible, they're ongoing, they're experimental. 1.00
01:21:14.000 Like, I think these surgeons should be sued. 0.99
01:21:17.000 What do you mean, the ones that turn a penis into a vagina? 1.00
01:21:20.000 Totally. 1.00
01:21:21.000 Obviously, breast implants, they've got that covered. 1.00
01:21:24.000 But yeah, the genital creating a penis or a vagina. 1.00
01:21:31.000 I mean, I know trans people who've had these surgeries, and it's just like a nightmare. 1.00
01:21:37.000 And your genitals don't work anymore, and you can't have good sex. 1.00
01:21:40.000 You obviously can't reproduce. 1.00
01:21:42.000 You can't have an orgasm anymore. 1.00
01:21:43.000 You're fucking mangled. 1.00
01:21:45.000 It's a lie. 1.00
01:21:46.000 It's such a lie to tell people, right now anyway, who knows about this horrible future that you're predicting.
01:21:53.000 Is it horrible?
01:21:56.000 That's not how nature works.
01:21:59.000 That's not a healthy thing for humanity to do.
01:22:02.000 There's a lot of things we do that are not how nature works.
01:22:05.000 Okay, well I think this is a not good thing to do.
01:22:08.000 That's not how nature works.
01:22:10.000 But people are being lied to.
01:22:14.000 They're being told that they can change sex and they can't change sex. 0.51
01:22:17.000 And they're being mangled and they're being given these high doses of hormones that are really harmful.
01:22:23.000 These are things that will cause cancer.
01:22:25.000 And people just...
01:22:27.000 They pretend like it's possible and it's not possible and you end up...
01:22:31.000 I think so many trans people go through all these processes and transition and then I'm like, oh, I'm still not what I wanted. 0.99
01:22:40.000 I still look like a man.
01:22:42.000 It's very hard for an adult man to ever actually look like a woman.
01:22:47.000 Most of them don't look like women. 1.00
01:22:49.000 They look weird or they still just look like men but they have implants and...
01:22:55.000 Makeup and long hair or whatever, but you can't change the way they move, their bone size, their hand size, the way that they walk.
01:23:05.000 But some people clearly feel happier once they've done it.
01:23:08.000 If they feel happy, that's great.
01:23:09.000 Like Caitlyn Jenner.
01:23:10.000 Don't you think Caitlyn Jenner feels happier?
01:23:12.000 Probably.
01:23:13.000 I've never quite been able to figure out.
01:23:15.000 My theory about Caitlyn Jenner is that he just felt in the shadow all the time.
01:23:22.000 I don't know if you've watched Keeping Up Kardashian.
01:23:24.000 Oh, yeah.
01:23:25.000 You do?
01:23:25.000 Oh, yeah.
01:23:26.000 My wife watched it, so I've sat many times over her shoulder going, What the fuck are you watching? 1.00
01:23:32.000 What is this? 1.00
01:23:33.000 Yeah.
01:23:33.000 And she would go, you should watch.
01:23:34.000 You should watch this.
01:23:35.000 I agree you should watch.
01:23:36.000 It's very compelling.
01:23:37.000 I don't know why it's compelling.
01:23:39.000 It's very well edited.
01:23:40.000 It is very compelling.
01:23:41.000 I actually, I think I watched the whole thing from the beginning like two years ago.
01:23:45.000 Like I didn't watch when it was on.
01:23:47.000 I just decided, I was like, I should watch this show. 0.99
01:23:50.000 When Caitlin was Bruce, they shit on him. 0.98
01:23:53.000 He like hid in the TV room alone looking sad for so many years. 0.99
01:23:57.000 Yeah, he was the one that was like the brunt of all the jokes.
01:24:01.000 They mocked him.
01:24:02.000 He seemed like the only one that's accomplished. 1.00
01:24:05.000 I mean, he's a fucking goddamn Olympic gold medalist. 0.99
01:24:08.000 And the decathlon, like a legit Olympic gold medalist. 1.00
01:24:13.000 1776, cover of Wheaties.
01:24:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:24:16.000 America, fuck yeah. 1.00
01:24:18.000 And now here he is in this house of like... 1.00
01:24:23.000 These weird internet influencers and this one accomplished person is the brunt of all the jokes.
01:24:29.000 It's very strange.
01:24:30.000 Well, and also, I mean, yeah, and they all, I felt, I mean, I had sort of a different perspective than you did.
01:24:36.000 Maybe this is like because you're a man and I'm a woman, but I was like, this guy is kind of like he wants more attention and he's mad that he's not getting attention and all these chicks are getting all the attention and he's like, I know how to get attention.
01:24:48.000 I'm going to become one of them.
01:24:51.000 And it worked.
01:24:52.000 Maybe.
01:24:53.000 Definitely changed the whole attention spectrum.
01:24:56.000 Oh my goodness, right?
01:24:58.000 Yeah.
01:24:58.000 Changed it radically.
01:25:01.000 But I do, I believe that he probably did have, I think he had a fetish.
01:25:06.000 He, you know, was wearing his daughter's clothes and underwear and stuff like that.
01:25:12.000 Is that what you heard?
01:25:13.000 Yeah.
01:25:14.000 Oh, that's like, that's totally public information.
01:25:17.000 Oh.
01:25:17.000 And he also, I read an interview with him.
01:25:20.000 It's older, but I think it was in Vanity Fair or something like that.
01:25:23.000 And he would talk about, like, he would wear pantyhose under his pants.
01:25:27.000 Like, he was really into wearing women's clothes.
01:25:29.000 And that's what autogynophilia is.
01:25:32.000 Like, it's having a fetish for... 0.98
01:25:34.000 Dressing like a woman or imagining yourself as a woman like it turns you on. 1.00
01:25:40.000 And there's research.
01:25:41.000 Ray Blanchard did research around this.
01:25:44.000 He's a sexologist.
01:25:45.000 And found that essentially, like, all trans women were either... 0.76
01:25:51.000 You know, effeminate men or gay men, or they were autogonophiles, and the men who transitioned when they were younger were the effeminate gay men, and the men who transitioned when they were older, like 40s, 50s, 60s, were the autogonophiles, 0.92
01:26:06.000 so who have, like, this fetish. 0.74
01:26:08.000 And, of course, he's been, like, canceled many times over, because that's not something that you're supposed to talk about.
01:26:15.000 But usually what happens with the older guys who transition, it's, like, about that fetish.
01:26:21.000 And again, whatever.
01:26:23.000 Like, honestly, do what you want.
01:26:25.000 Do whatever makes you happy.
01:26:26.000 But stop trying to lie and say, like, I'm a woman on the inside.
01:26:31.000 I'm a literal female.
01:26:33.000 So as a woman, you find this offensive as an actual biological woman.
01:26:38.000 Totally, of course.
01:26:40.000 Like, being a woman isn't about, like, you know, having long hair, wearing makeup, or, like...
01:26:46.000 Here's where it's different. 0.99
01:26:47.000 As a man, I do not give a fuck if a trans person becomes a man. 1.00
01:26:54.000 Like, if a woman chooses to be a man. 0.99
01:26:58.000 Like, you know Buck Angel?
01:27:00.000 Yeah.
01:27:00.000 I've had Buck Angel on the podcast.
01:27:01.000 We had this conversation.
01:27:03.000 Yeah, I interviewed him.
01:27:03.000 I call him him.
01:27:04.000 He's my friend.
01:27:05.000 He's a great guy.
01:27:06.000 And he's not trying to force me to pretend that he's a literal male, so I don't care.
01:27:11.000 Great guy.
01:27:12.000 Really interesting to talk to.
01:27:14.000 And when he said, do you consider me a man?
01:27:19.000 I go, yeah.
01:27:20.000 That's what you want.
01:27:21.000 Yeah.
01:27:22.000 And I'll treat you like you're a man.
01:27:24.000 Talk to you like you're a man.
01:27:26.000 You know, I'll call you Buck.
01:27:27.000 I don't I mean, I don't.
01:27:29.000 It doesn't matter at all to me.
01:27:31.000 Like I never I would never say it's offensive that you are pretending to be a man like that.
01:27:37.000 That has zero registry.
01:27:39.000 It doesn't register at all with me.
01:27:42.000 I mean, I think it has no impact on you.
01:27:44.000 The men transitioning to women has a really, really big and negative impact on women and girls. 0.92
01:27:51.000 I was going to get to that.
01:27:52.000 This is the thing, is that men transitioning to women use male tactics and male behavior as they invade feminist spaces. 0.91
01:28:00.000 And that's one of the things that I have seen that women get really kind of freaked out by, is that trans women then join these women groups and dominate them like men do. 0.99
01:28:12.000 They have male minds. 0.99
01:28:14.000 They have years and years of having gonads and having testosterone flow through their body and all of the hypersexual things that come from that.
01:28:25.000 And one thing that comes from being a biological male is they generally tend to be more aggressive.
01:28:32.000 They tend to be more assertive.
01:28:33.000 They tend to Try to dominate whenever possible if left unchecked and if their egos are not well managed.
01:28:43.000 But the big complaint that I hear from women, especially women that get labeled as TERFs, is that these trans women invade these traditionally just biological women groups and they sort of handle them like a man. 0.99
01:29:04.000 Or they're predators. 0.93
01:29:07.000 Or worse.
01:29:11.000 I wonder what kind of...
01:29:13.000 This is not the worst of all the examples by far, but it's like, what kind of man actually wants to go into a woman's change room? 0.66
01:29:23.000 What would be your motivation for doing that?
01:29:25.000 Well, you could wish you were a woman and want to be a woman. 0.96
01:29:28.000 But you must have some inclination that this is going to make women feel uncomfortable, and I think they kind of get off on that.
01:29:35.000 Like, what kind of man wants women to feel uncomfortable?
01:29:40.000 Maybe they want people to be accepting, want people to be open-minded to this and not have an issue with it at all.
01:29:49.000 I mean, that's very unconsiderate.
01:29:51.000 Like, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they just want to be accepted and they want validation and they genuinely believe they're a woman, so they want to be treated like a woman, so they want to be in the change room with all the other women.
01:30:04.000 But I think, I mean, who is actually that delusional?
01:30:08.000 Yeah.
01:30:09.000 Yeah.
01:30:09.000 Maybe some people.
01:30:10.000 But I do, I think that there's something predatorial just in that, in the wanting to be in those spaces where they know that women don't want them there.
01:30:17.000 Like, where they know that they're making women uncomfortable and they're doing it anyway.
01:30:20.000 When my children were young, I have all daughters, and when they were young, one of the weird things was if they have to go potty and it's just me, I can't just send them into the women's room. 1.00
01:30:34.000 And I can't go into the women's room with them. 1.00
01:30:37.000 So I have to take them into the men's room. 1.00
01:30:40.000 So I'm talking like carry them, you know, like this age, right?
01:30:44.000 So I'm like either holding a hand and walking with them or I'm carrying them into the male bathroom. 0.51
01:30:50.000 And even then, it seems weird.
01:30:54.000 You know, it seems...
01:30:55.000 Like, I remember thinking, like, I can't wait until this stops.
01:30:58.000 Because it just...
01:30:59.000 I don't want to bring my little baby daughter into a room full of dudes.
01:31:04.000 It's just odd.
01:31:05.000 You just feel inherently a bit uncomfortable about that.
01:31:08.000 Yeah.
01:31:10.000 It's not...
01:31:11.000 I didn't feel like I was in danger or she was in danger.
01:31:14.000 I didn't feel like that.
01:31:15.000 But I was like, this is...
01:31:18.000 Obviously this is like a societal thing, right?
01:31:20.000 This is a cultural thing.
01:31:22.000 Because in some cultures they have open bathrooms and men and women share bathrooms and that's just always how it's been.
01:31:28.000 But it's not how it's been in America.
01:31:29.000 So when I'm carrying a little girl or walking with a little girl into the men's room, it's weird.
01:31:36.000 You know, Louis C.K. had a bit about taking his daughter to the bathroom and that, like, two guys are shitting right next to, like, he's got her on the potty, and two guys are, like, having these horrible shits in the left side and the right stall. 0.97
01:31:50.000 Men are so disgusting. 1.00
01:31:52.000 Yeah, they're gross, but gross too. 1.00
01:31:54.000 Everyone's gross. 0.97
01:31:55.000 But it just felt odd. 0.85
01:31:59.000 But at least I was with her.
01:32:01.000 If I sent her in there by herself, it would feel insanely odd.
01:32:07.000 But you should feel a bit odd about that, and I don't even think you need to be able to explain why.
01:32:14.000 The sports thing has been, I think, probably the best in terms of opening up this conversation about men can't become women, or maybe there's a problem with a man identifying as a woman.
01:32:27.000 Because people don't need an explanation.
01:32:30.000 Like, people inherently will just look at this guy and be like, eh, no, this is not fair.
01:32:36.000 Like, you don't need an ideology.
01:32:37.000 You don't need to be a feminist. 1.00
01:32:39.000 You don't need to really, to just see, like, you don't need to know about biology.
01:32:44.000 You just know.
01:32:45.000 You're like, no, this is wrong.
01:32:47.000 Like...
01:32:47.000 The sports thing is the only reason why I got involved in this discussion at all.
01:32:51.000 And then once I got dragged into it, I realized, first of all, they misrepresent your position in the most horrific way possible.
01:32:58.000 And second of all, there's no one from the other side. 0.77
01:33:02.000 There are no trans men that are competing against men in sports that are notable.
01:33:08.000 It's just not an issue. 0.99
01:33:10.000 Not only is it not an issue, nobody gives a fuck. 0.98
01:33:13.000 All the men weightlifters are like, oh, you used to be a girl? 0.98
01:33:16.000 Cool.
01:33:17.000 Good luck!
01:33:17.000 Good luck, bro!
01:33:19.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:33:19.000 Like, literally no one gives a shit. 0.98
01:33:21.000 Because there's no perceived, and not even perceived, let's be real, it's a fucking advantage. 0.99
01:33:26.000 There's a giant advantage. 0.98
01:33:27.000 There's an advantage in tendon strength.
01:33:29.000 There's an advantage in the shape of the hips. 1.00
01:33:31.000 There's an advantage of years and years and years of having...
01:33:37.000 Huge levels of testosterone pumping through your system in terms of a biological female. 1.00
01:33:41.000 It's like if you took a woman and you put her on steroids for 30 years, and then she got off steroids for a year and she was competing against women in sports, women would be like, this is fucking bullshit. 0.99
01:33:51.000 This lady's been cheating her whole life, and now all of a sudden she's off the steroids, so I'm supposed to just accept her as a normal physiological female. 1.00
01:34:01.000 Well, it's not.
01:34:02.000 She's obviously been enhanced. 0.99
01:34:04.000 That's the same thing that if you grow up with testicles your whole life. 0.99
01:34:08.000 But even more so, right? 0.97
01:34:10.000 People act like puberty doesn't matter.
01:34:12.000 And that rush of testosterone that happens when you go through puberty as a boy doesn't totally change your body.
01:34:20.000 Yeah.
01:34:20.000 And your brain.
01:34:21.000 It does. 1.00
01:34:21.000 And again, no one gives a fuck if some trans man wants to compete in the NBA. Good luck! 1.00
01:34:28.000 Get on in there.
01:34:29.000 A trans man who wants to compete in mixed martial arts.
01:34:33.000 Well, you know the problem with trans men competing in mixed martial arts or something like that is you wouldn't be able to because it's not legal to take testosterone.
01:34:41.000 So you literally wouldn't be able to.
01:34:44.000 You know, Texas has a really wacky way of looking at it, where there was a trans man, well, trans boy, I guess you would say, in high school wrestling.
01:34:57.000 So this was a biological female that was taking testosterone, but they wouldn't let her compete as a boy. 1.00
01:35:04.000 So they made her compete against girls while she was taking testosterone. 1.00
01:35:09.000 So she's, you know, ragdolling these girls because she's on the juice. 1.00
01:35:14.000 Like, literally.
01:35:16.000 And, you know, everybody was mad.
01:35:19.000 But they were mad at the girl.
01:35:20.000 And I'm like, well, is that her fault?
01:35:23.000 You know, she'd really let this girl who wants to be a boy and is taking testosterone, let her compete against boys. 1.00
01:35:30.000 Let's see what happens.
01:35:31.000 No one would care.
01:35:32.000 No one on the boy's side would care, is my opinion, is my position. 0.97
01:35:35.000 And that's why this is such a fucking loaded issue, is because we know males have a physical advantage in running, in lifting weights, in most sports that involve power. 0.95
01:35:49.000 And you can explain why, you can talk to a scientist, you can talk to a doctor, and they'll explain why. 0.98
01:35:55.000 But everybody knows, everybody knows that men are stronger and bigger than women for the most part. 0.58
01:36:02.000 And likewise, I just think that, I think it's crazy, it makes me feel crazy to even have to explain to people that a man shouldn't have access to a change room.
01:36:14.000 Or that a man shouldn't be in a transition house with women who are escaping violence. 0.98
01:36:20.000 Sexual abuse. 0.60
01:36:20.000 Yeah. 0.60
01:36:21.000 And that a man shouldn't be in a women's prison. 0.90
01:36:24.000 It's like, you know why.
01:36:27.000 Right.
01:36:28.000 It's not because all men are rapists or all men are predators.
01:36:31.000 But, you know, primarily the threat to women is men.
01:36:35.000 Primarily the threat to men is other men.
01:36:38.000 And also, why?
01:36:40.000 Why?
01:36:41.000 Why do you want to be in these spaces? 0.98
01:36:43.000 Well, the woke ideology is so fucking weird that they literally have allowed men who are sexual abusers to transition to women and be incarcerated with women. 0.94
01:36:54.000 This is a real thing. 0.98
01:36:56.000 That is so outside of any logic.
01:37:00.000 That's such a crazy way to handle it.
01:37:03.000 That you go, oh, you're a woman now? 0.95
01:37:05.000 Sure. 0.87
01:37:06.000 Guy who has sexually assaulted women, who has a history of this, is in jail for it, we're going to put you in with women.
01:37:14.000 Yeah, and I mean, there's cases already.
01:37:16.000 There's a woman in Canada, Heather Mason, who's doing activism around this, and she was incarcerated for many years.
01:37:23.000 And even before this was an issue, this was starting to become an issue, where men who identified as women were being transferred into male prisons, and sexual assaults did happen. 0.97
01:37:34.000 You know, there was like a fucking baby rapist in there with like a mom and the baby, like in some kind of middle, I don't, obviously not in the prison prison, but like, you know, like they're putting dangerous men who are predators, 0.98
01:37:50.000 who are rapists, who are serial predators in with these women, these women who are really vulnerable. 0.99
01:37:56.000 I mean, think about the kind of women who are in prison, like these are Actually, you care about marginalization. 0.99
01:38:01.000 Who's in prison?
01:38:02.000 Like, the most marginalized women in the entire country are going to be the ones who are in women's prisons. 1.00
01:38:08.000 And then you stick, like, a super violent rapist in there with them? 0.66
01:38:12.000 Just because he identifies as being a woman. 0.91
01:38:14.000 And the government, the Canadian government will not even acknowledge this is happening.
01:38:17.000 They won't talk about it.
01:38:18.000 The media won't talk about it. 0.97
01:38:19.000 It's disgusting.
01:38:20.000 And Heather told me, she was like, you know, like, I think something really, really horrible is going to have to happen before anybody pays attention.
01:38:27.000 And it's true. 0.56
01:38:28.000 And think about what is the really horrible thing when there's already obviously really bad things happening in these prisons.
01:38:34.000 Like...
01:38:35.000 You know, like, what is it going to take?
01:38:37.000 And why is everybody pretending like this is okay?
01:38:39.000 Because everyone's scared of the blowback online.
01:38:42.000 They're scared of the blowback online.
01:38:44.000 Yeah.
01:38:45.000 That's what a lot of it is, right?
01:38:46.000 Yeah.
01:38:47.000 I mean, the liberal government, like, they're the worst. 0.97
01:38:50.000 They're the worst. 0.99
01:38:51.000 Well, your guy's the worst. 0.99
01:38:52.000 Yeah, Trudeau's the worst. 0.99
01:38:53.000 He's the worst I've ever seen. 0.98
01:38:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:38:54.000 He's so ridiculous. 1.00
01:38:56.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:38:57.000 And I mean, he...
01:38:58.000 This she-covery and she-session, like...
01:39:01.000 I mean, and it's...
01:39:03.000 Who's that for?
01:39:05.000 You think his wife makes him do that? 1.00
01:39:09.000 I think he does it because, I mean, I think he's just trying to win favorites.
01:39:12.000 This is what I want you to do today at work, dear.
01:39:14.000 You know what it says, though? 1.00
01:39:16.000 I mean, obviously it makes him look like an idiot, but it also makes Canadians vote for this guy. 1.00
01:39:21.000 They support him, and they're probably going to vote for him again. 1.00
01:39:24.000 You think so?
01:39:24.000 Okay, listen.
01:39:25.000 I, as I said, I'm a lifelong leftist.
01:39:28.000 I voted for the NDP. That's our leftist party.
01:39:30.000 That's like our labor party, basically, in Canada.
01:39:32.000 My anthem.
01:39:33.000 My entire life, like, as soon as I was legal to vote when I was 18, provincially and federally, in every single election, I voted for the NDP. Last election, I didn't vote at all because I was like, I can't in good faith vote for the Liberals or the NDP, and I didn't feel comfortable voting for the Conservative Party because I care about,
01:39:49.000 like, healthcare.
01:39:51.000 This year, I'll vote Conservative.
01:39:53.000 Like, somebody who was, like, a crazy, like, I was, like, an extreme leftist.
01:39:59.000 For all of my life until, you know, two or three years ago, I'll vote conservative because these people are so unethical and so dangerous.
01:40:07.000 So dangerous.
01:40:09.000 Like they're getting rid of our rights, our free speech.
01:40:12.000 The erosion of civil rights is the most disturbing aspects of it because they're willing to accept the erosion of rights and civil liberties because it aligns with whatever ideology they're pushing.
01:40:26.000 Yeah.
01:40:27.000 You're seeing that in America.
01:40:30.000 You're seeing that in a different realm with this whole COVID vaccine passport thing.
01:40:36.000 There's people that are accepting this idea that the government's going to be able to dictate whether or not you go to places, whether or not you could eat dinner, whether or not you could do things.
01:40:43.000 Depending upon your vaccination status, when they know that there's people that have gone through COVID and have natural immunity and it's just as robust, if not better.
01:40:53.000 That's a fact.
01:40:54.000 They know it, but yet they still are willing to accept these restrictions that you're going to give this new power to the government.
01:41:02.000 And this government is now going to be able to dictate whether or not you're able to do things.
01:41:06.000 And they like it. 0.99
01:41:07.000 These fucking people that become governors and mayors, they like telling people what to do. 0.99
01:41:13.000 It's part of the fun of the gig that they can tell people. 1.00
01:41:17.000 Now, as the mayor of New York, I have decided you have to do this or you can't do that.
01:41:24.000 Here, here.
01:41:25.000 Yeah, but it's not just the politicians.
01:41:27.000 It's the regular citizens.
01:41:29.000 It's the public.
01:41:29.000 I mean, the problem is not just that the people in power are doing this.
01:41:33.000 It's that everyone's going along with it and supporting it.
01:41:39.000 I went back to Vancouver in June to deal with my apartment and my truck and banking stuff because I abandoned all my things in Vancouver.
01:41:48.000 And all anyone could talk about was the vaccine.
01:41:51.000 Did you get the vaccine?
01:41:52.000 Did you get the vaccine?
01:41:53.000 Did you get the vaccine?
01:41:54.000 I was like... 0.99
01:41:54.000 Are you all crazy? 0.99
01:41:57.000 Like, do you not have anything else to talk about? 0.99
01:41:59.000 First of all, it's none of your business.
01:42:00.000 Like, why are you intruding into my personal life?
01:42:03.000 Like, why are you asking me, like, personal health questions?
01:42:06.000 But also, like, why do you care?
01:42:09.000 And I would say, like, it was like, I don't know.
01:42:13.000 I mean, I'll see.
01:42:15.000 Like, I probably will have to eventually to travel.
01:42:17.000 This was before there was, like, a mandate.
01:42:20.000 And...
01:42:23.000 Or I'd say, I'm not super compelled.
01:42:26.000 Basically, I was super vague about it.
01:42:28.000 I don't want to have arguments with people about this.
01:42:30.000 It's not even something I'm that passionate about.
01:42:33.000 And they would start arguing with me.
01:42:35.000 Either if it was over text, they would start bombarding me with links.
01:42:38.000 You should really get vaccinated.
01:42:39.000 You should really get vaccinated.
01:42:40.000 You should really get vaccinated.
01:42:41.000 And I was like, can we talk about something else?
01:42:44.000 But there's a lot of people, when they do something, they want everyone to do it.
01:42:47.000 Yeah.
01:42:48.000 Once they do it, and especially if they do something that might be a little risky, it might be a little risky.
01:42:55.000 But you did it and they got away with it.
01:42:56.000 You should do it too.
01:42:57.000 Did you do it too?
01:42:58.000 You should do it too.
01:42:59.000 Yeah, we all did it.
01:42:59.000 We're okay.
01:43:00.000 You should do it.
01:43:00.000 Right?
01:43:00.000 This was the right thing to do.
01:43:02.000 There's a little bit of that.
01:43:03.000 These weirdly obsessed people.
01:43:06.000 And then this idea that everything will be okay.
01:43:09.000 If we all get vaccinated, everything will be okay.
01:43:11.000 They'll give us our rights back and it'll all be fine.
01:43:13.000 And they...
01:43:16.000 The way that people have started treating each other around this is, like, really disturbing.
01:43:22.000 Like, you know, blaming their loss of rights on people who didn't get vaccinated and, like, saying really, like, hateful things about people.
01:43:30.000 Like, it's your fault.
01:43:32.000 And, you know, this is like a tactic.
01:43:34.000 Like, I feel like this is how totalitarianism happens.
01:43:37.000 It's like, point your finger at your neighbor and then you don't pay attention to or You're not holding the people in power accountable.
01:43:44.000 They can do whatever they want.
01:43:46.000 Because it's not them.
01:43:46.000 They have your best interests in mind.
01:43:48.000 It's your friend.
01:43:49.000 It's your neighbor.
01:43:50.000 They're the problem.
01:43:51.000 They're the danger. 0.92
01:43:52.000 They're the enemy. 1.00
01:43:52.000 It's fucking creepy. 1.00
01:43:54.000 It is fucking creepy. 1.00
01:43:54.000 And it's real creepy that it's only about someone getting injected with the vaccine. 1.00
01:44:00.000 It's not about...
01:44:01.000 You're not going up to obese people. 0.99
01:44:04.000 And saying, you fucked this up. 1.00
01:44:06.000 You fucking fatso, you get sick too easy, and you're coughing on everybody, and you're spreading it everywhere, and people around you that aren't fat, they're not getting sick. 1.00
01:44:14.000 So you fucked this up because you're a spreader. 1.00
01:44:17.000 You're not hearing that, right? 0.99
01:44:19.000 You're not hearing people get upset at other people for their personal choices.
01:44:22.000 Smokers.
01:44:23.000 Smokers, drinkers.
01:44:24.000 Smokers and smokers actually do harm other people's health.
01:44:28.000 Yeah.
01:44:28.000 I don't like inhaling other people's smoke, but whatever.
01:44:31.000 I'm sure there's lots of things that I do that are even worse, but you know what I mean?
01:44:34.000 Yeah, you booze hound.
01:44:37.000 I just said I like to party, that's all. 1.00
01:44:39.000 You like to party drinking fucking gasoline. 0.99
01:44:41.000 I still haven't gotten through this. 1.00
01:44:42.000 I almost finished mine like an hour ago.
01:44:44.000 Yeah, well, you got an issue.
01:44:46.000 Jamie can't even smell his without throwing up.
01:44:49.000 Look at him over there.
01:44:51.000 Okay, well, I was interested to see the reaction.
01:44:56.000 Of this?
01:44:57.000 Of this stuff?
01:44:58.000 I guess if I was really lit, I'd like it.
01:45:00.000 To my favorite booze.
01:45:01.000 I can drink it so easy that I have to regulate myself.
01:45:05.000 That's weird.
01:45:06.000 How do you feel about other booze?
01:45:08.000 I mean, I like scotch and whiskey.
01:45:09.000 I like bourbon, and that's pretty much it.
01:45:11.000 I really don't like vodka.
01:45:12.000 I don't like gin.
01:45:13.000 I like wine.
01:45:17.000 But I'm not actually just an alcoholic.
01:45:19.000 I'm not just like, yeah, I love chugging booze.
01:45:21.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, no problem.
01:45:23.000 You're fine.
01:45:23.000 I'm fine.
01:45:24.000 I'm good.
01:45:24.000 I'm good.
01:45:24.000 I'm good.
01:45:25.000 Nothing wrong at all.
01:45:26.000 No, and you know what?
01:45:28.000 Actually, I mean, this is like a clean alcohol, so I don't actually get hangovers.
01:45:36.000 Oh, it's clean.
01:45:37.000 I'm a scientist.
01:45:38.000 I don't know if I mentioned that earlier.
01:45:40.000 And a doctor.
01:45:42.000 I'm not.
01:45:43.000 You like clean eating?
01:45:44.000 Like people eat clean?
01:45:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:45:45.000 Exactly like that.
01:45:46.000 Oh, I eat clean for the most part.
01:45:47.000 And I drink clean.
01:45:48.000 Yeah.
01:45:49.000 Same, same.
01:45:51.000 Like, I don't get hangovers because there's no sugar in it.
01:45:55.000 So if you just drank Mycia all night...
01:45:58.000 Is that where you think the hangovers are coming from?
01:46:00.000 Sugar.
01:46:01.000 Really?
01:46:02.000 Okay, am I wrong?
01:46:03.000 Yeah, it's dehydration.
01:46:04.000 Oh, okay.
01:46:05.000 I also drink a lot of water.
01:46:07.000 Well, there you go.
01:46:08.000 That's why.
01:46:09.000 That's why you're not getting hangovers.
01:46:10.000 I thought that it was because it wasn't processed and there wasn't a bunch of chemicals.
01:46:14.000 Because it's natural and clean.
01:46:17.000 Incorrect.
01:46:17.000 Well, two things.
01:46:18.000 One, according to Dr. Carl Hart, who's an actual addiction specialist, he says that what's happening is...
01:46:26.000 That your body actually becomes addicted to alcohol.
01:46:29.000 And what hangovers are is there's an addiction process that happens during a drinking phase.
01:46:36.000 So like say if you're drinking and you get boozed up that night, your body literally starts craving that alcohol.
01:46:45.000 And that part of the hangover is you being addicted to alcohol.
01:46:49.000 That's why people say, you know, take a hair of the dog that bit you.
01:46:53.000 But I hate that.
01:46:54.000 I never want booze the next morning.
01:46:55.000 I think it's gross.
01:46:56.000 Also, if I drink a bunch of Prosecco, I do get a hangover.
01:46:59.000 But if I just drink Ricea, I don't get a hangover.
01:47:02.000 Interesting.
01:47:03.000 So that's why I assumed there was like a sugar factor.
01:47:06.000 I don't think so.
01:47:07.000 Well, I mean, there's probably a bunch of different biological reasons and different people.
01:47:14.000 Sugar and alcohol both have a lot in common.
01:47:16.000 They both cause dehydration, and they're both processed through the liver.
01:47:21.000 These commonalities mean that when combined, sugary alcoholic drinks produce a much more severe hangover than alcohol alone. 0.98
01:47:28.000 So, like, sangria would fuck you up?
01:47:31.000 There are many theories as to why sugary alcoholic beverages seem to result in a worse hangover than lower sugar counterparts, but no real proof positive. 0.54
01:47:42.000 Daiquiris, sweet martinis, and Mai Tais all contain sugar and alcohol.
01:47:47.000 What is this website?
01:47:50.000 MyGutHealth?
01:47:52.000 I just want to know if I'm right or not.
01:47:53.000 I don't know if that's true.
01:47:55.000 About my theory.
01:47:56.000 The thing that I've noticed is if I drink electrolyte drinks, electrolyte supplements, during and after the booze, it has a giant impact on what kind of headaches I have.
01:48:09.000 And ironically, those things have sugar in them.
01:48:12.000 Oh, okay.
01:48:13.000 Yeah, that is interesting because, yeah, I'll drink electrolytes after, like, if I've been out the night before and it does help a lot, but I didn't think about the sugar thing.
01:48:22.000 Yeah, like electrolytes like liquid IV, which is my favorite one, has a very specific ratio of glucose to sodium and all the different electrolytes, potassium and whatnot.
01:48:34.000 And it's like the scientifically designed way they've incorporated these things so it enters into your bloodstream quicker and more effectively and rehydrates you better.
01:48:44.000 Right.
01:48:45.000 But there is sugar in that.
01:48:47.000 Mmm, yeah.
01:48:47.000 It tastes good.
01:48:48.000 I mean, the hydrate, I do, like, I swear to, like, if I'm out drinking, I probably am also drinking, like, two or three liters of water.
01:48:54.000 Like, I drink a lot of water.
01:48:55.000 I would like to see an actual study, not some wacky, my gut health.
01:48:59.000 Here, 1998 study, so same thing.
01:49:01.000 Same thing.
01:49:03.000 Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance.
01:49:05.000 Oh, okay.
01:49:05.000 Alcohol causes the body to increase.
01:49:07.000 Well, that makes sense that electrolytes, if you had electrolytes afterwards, it would help juice it up.
01:49:15.000 It's also a low blood sugar thing.
01:49:17.000 Several alterations in the metabolic state of the liver and other organs occur in response to the presence of alcohol in the body.
01:49:23.000 It could result in low blood sugar levels, low glucose levels, or hypoglycemia.
01:49:29.000 So that would make sense where one of those electrolyte supplements would be really good after you drink.
01:49:36.000 Alcohol-induced hypoglycemia generally occurs after binge drinking.
01:49:41.000 Over several days in alcoholics who have not been eating.
01:49:46.000 Oh, okay.
01:49:48.000 So you gotta eat too. 1.00
01:49:49.000 Damn. 1.00
01:49:50.000 Either way, not good for you. 0.99
01:49:52.000 I mean, so this like...
01:49:54.000 My theory about ricea being healthy for me was not... 0.99
01:49:58.000 It's fucking so bad for you. 0.97
01:50:00.000 Like, I feel great. 0.99
01:50:01.000 It's great.
01:50:02.000 I think you just sip it.
01:50:04.000 Like, what vitamins are in this booze?
01:50:06.000 Well, it's so rank that you have to just sip it.
01:50:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:50:09.000 You know, because it tastes like shit. 1.00
01:50:11.000 So if you were drinking... 1.00
01:50:12.000 It doesn't taste like shit. 0.99
01:50:13.000 Like, I'm not trying to like seem tough. 0.99
01:50:16.000 I genuinely like the way that it tastes.
01:50:19.000 I believe you.
01:50:20.000 Obviously, people have different kinds of...
01:50:22.000 What's your favorite booze?
01:50:24.000 I like whiskey.
01:50:25.000 Okay.
01:50:26.000 I also love whiskey.
01:50:27.000 Whiskey's a good one.
01:50:28.000 I like scotch.
01:50:29.000 I like bourbon.
01:50:31.000 I like a good aged whiskey.
01:50:34.000 Like an eight-year whiskey.
01:50:36.000 That's what I like.
01:50:36.000 Yeah.
01:50:37.000 I mean, you can't drink that kind of stuff really fast either.
01:50:39.000 Or I can anyway.
01:50:40.000 I mean, I feel like whiskey is like a slow drinking thing.
01:50:43.000 Even slower.
01:50:44.000 What? 0.99
01:50:44.000 Slower than this horseshit? 0.99
01:50:46.000 Yeah, dude. 0.98
01:50:47.000 I mean, again, like I'm not, I actually drink Ricea pretty quickly.
01:50:51.000 You've finished that, right?
01:50:52.000 I finished this so long ago.
01:50:54.000 Like, okay, a little bit left.
01:50:56.000 Get you some real stuff.
01:50:58.000 Yeah.
01:51:00.000 A list of things I would rather drink than that.
01:51:03.000 Jägermeister.
01:51:04.000 Okay.
01:51:05.000 This is still Austin.
01:51:08.000 This is some local whiskey.
01:51:10.000 Oh, really?
01:51:10.000 Okay, cool.
01:51:11.000 Maybe I should buy some wine here.
01:51:12.000 I'll give you a bottle.
01:51:13.000 This is my...
01:51:14.000 Really?
01:51:14.000 That would be awesome.
01:51:15.000 Cheers.
01:51:16.000 Cheers.
01:51:16.000 Thank you so much.
01:51:17.000 I'm stoked.
01:51:18.000 Alright, now we're drinking.
01:51:19.000 I want to see the label. 1.00
01:51:22.000 Oh my god, it's like Kool-Aid compared to that horse shit. 1.00
01:51:25.000 Oh, it's so good. 1.00
01:51:26.000 It's not as good.
01:51:30.000 Fine.
01:51:30.000 It's fine.
01:51:31.000 It's fine.
01:51:32.000 So are you doing your podcast and everything out of Mexico?
01:51:36.000 Yeah.
01:51:36.000 Yeah.
01:51:38.000 Which is...
01:51:39.000 It's working okay.
01:51:40.000 It's not ideal because the Wi-Fi situation in Sayulita is still a bit wack.
01:51:46.000 Shocking.
01:51:47.000 Yeah.
01:51:47.000 The infrastructure there is not up to par as compared to Vancouver.
01:51:51.000 How crazy?
01:51:52.000 Like, duh.
01:51:53.000 But also right now is the rainy season, so there's like crazy thunderstorms almost every night, and that also doesn't help with things like power and Wi-Fi.
01:52:02.000 So it's a bit sketchier, but I have been able to manage to do it, which is great, because I really don't want to go back to Canada ever again.
01:52:10.000 Ever?
01:52:11.000 I hate it. 0.90
01:52:11.000 I hate it. 0.90
01:52:12.000 Really? 0.84
01:52:13.000 I hate it. 1.00
01:52:13.000 Because of all this political shit? 1.00
01:52:15.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:52:15.000 Yeah, I loved it for a long time. 1.00
01:52:17.000 Like, I was born in Vancouver.
01:52:18.000 I've lived there my whole life.
01:52:19.000 I have friends in Vancouver that I've known.
01:52:21.000 Like, I have a lot of really close friends.
01:52:23.000 Like, my family is there.
01:52:25.000 Like, you know, like, I have friends there that I've known since I was five years old.
01:52:31.000 And I still don't want to go back.
01:52:34.000 And I hate it because I think the politics are so scary.
01:52:38.000 And it makes me feel so scared that nobody is standing up, that they're just going along.
01:52:43.000 Because they're so agreeable.
01:52:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:52:45.000 And they trust the government a lot and they're just, they're really passive and they're scared of their friends.
01:52:51.000 Like, they're scared to say anything to go against the grain, right?
01:52:55.000 That's been the most disturbing thing about this pandemic is people turning against other people.
01:53:00.000 Yeah.
01:53:00.000 And just being...
01:53:03.000 Scared. 0.97
01:53:03.000 Generally, when you put people in a high anxiety state and you make them scared, they get fucking sketchy. 0.97
01:53:10.000 They get weird. 0.53
01:53:11.000 It's hard to...
01:53:13.000 They're not rational.
01:53:15.000 It's hard to communicate with them rationally and logically.
01:53:18.000 Yeah, it's fear and lack of control because I find that, like, so some of my friends are genuinely fearful about COVID and they're like, if I get COVID, I'm going to die.
01:53:26.000 And I'm like, you're not going to die.
01:53:28.000 You're not going to die.
01:53:29.000 You're the same age as me.
01:53:30.000 You don't have, like, diabetes.
01:53:32.000 You're not going to die of COVID. But there's a lot of people, I think, who just feel like they have no control over the situation, so they don't know what to do.
01:53:41.000 So I think they try to control other people or police other people.
01:53:44.000 And that's their form of control.
01:53:46.000 Or their form of control is following the rules.
01:53:49.000 Okay, just like shut down my brain, put my mask on, stay in my apartment, don't go anywhere.
01:53:55.000 Like, you know, they just don't know what to do.
01:53:58.000 And to me, like, that's not my nature.
01:54:01.000 My nature is the opposite of that.
01:54:03.000 So I don't totally relate, but...
01:54:07.000 Yeah, Canadians, very passive, very interested in going along, very interested in being told what to do, and it's really dangerous. 1.00
01:54:14.000 I feel like everybody needs to reread 1984. Actually, when I got to Mexico, the first book that I read, the last time I'd read it was in college or maybe even high school or something, and I reread it, and it was terrifying.
01:54:29.000 Yeah, it's very foreshadowing, right?
01:54:33.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:54:34.000 And even like that idea of, you know, going along with something that you know to be untrue, you know, you know that person's not really a woman, but you're just going to say it, you know, that's like that step in that direction.
01:54:50.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:54:51.000 Exactly.
01:54:52.000 And, you know, yeah, it's just it's really depressing and scary how many people haven't paid attention to history and can't see the path that they're going down.
01:55:01.000 Well, what's weird to me was that it was one of the first things that Biden did in getting into office was to make it so that high school kids can compete in the gender that they identify with. 0.74
01:55:11.000 All the shit that's wrong in this country right now, all the issues that we're facing, that's one of the first things you do. 0.97
01:55:20.000 This weird just fucking wave to the woke. 0.99
01:55:24.000 And he promised to do that. 0.98
01:55:27.000 Yeah, but he doesn't remember.
01:55:30.000 I mean, fair, but I just mean people voted for him.
01:55:34.000 You know, feminists that I know voted for him. 1.00
01:55:38.000 Like feminists who have been working against this gender identity shit for a long time and who have been fighting it still voted for Biden because they're like, oh, well, not Trump. 1.00
01:55:46.000 Trump's awful. 1.00
01:55:47.000 And I don't like Trump. 0.97
01:55:49.000 But I, for sure, I didn't vote in this election.
01:55:51.000 I actually am an American citizen, but I've never lived in America before, so I've not actually voted.
01:55:55.000 How's that work?
01:55:56.000 What?
01:55:57.000 How are you an American citizen?
01:55:58.000 My mom's American.
01:55:59.000 I have dual.
01:55:59.000 Oh, nice.
01:56:01.000 I know.
01:56:02.000 That's why I was like, I could actually move here.
01:56:04.000 I mean, I'm happy in Mexico, but I actually have been considering trying to do, like, part-time...
01:56:08.000 I mean, it would be helpful for work and also accessing...
01:56:13.000 Actual internet?
01:56:14.000 Yeah.
01:56:16.000 Some things that don't exist in my, like, dusty, little, weird, sketchy Mexican town. 1.00
01:56:22.000 Yeah, there you go.
01:56:24.000 I could, like, have clean clothes.
01:56:27.000 But, like, I said, you know, like, I was like, if I lived in the U.S., I would vote for Trump because I think Biden's scarier, partly because of the gender identity stuff, which, again, he promised to do. 0.66
01:56:40.000 He said, you know, one of the first things that I'll do if I win the election is Is to, you know, make it so that boys and men can compete against girls and women in sports.
01:56:51.000 And he did.
01:56:52.000 And, you know, the fact that he's obviously in bed with big tech. 1.00
01:56:56.000 And it's like, I may not like Trump and I may think he's an idiot or an asshole or like a buffoon, but I don't at all think that he's as dangerous as Biden. 1.00
01:57:06.000 And people really freaked out at me over that. 1.00
01:57:09.000 And I was just like, why would you vote for somebody who's going to take away all of your rights?
01:57:15.000 And has promised to take away all your rights.
01:57:17.000 You're destroying sex-based rights.
01:57:20.000 Sorry, not all of your rights.
01:57:22.000 I shouldn't say that.
01:57:22.000 But take away sex-based rights.
01:57:24.000 You're a woman.
01:57:25.000 And you're a woman who's very concerned about this.
01:57:27.000 And you just can't break out of this Trump thing.
01:57:31.000 And it's not like I'm saying, oh, you should vote for Trump.
01:57:33.000 But why are you voting for this person who's working against you openly?
01:57:38.000 Well, the media did a great job of highlighting any negative issue about Trump and constantly beating it into people's brains, that he's a misogynist, that he's a racist, that he's a this, that he's a that, and exaggerating any flaws that he may have had ad nauseum, 0.93
01:57:58.000 any slurs in his speech, any things that he fucked up or gigantic huge red flags. 0.95
01:58:04.000 But then you see the opposite with Biden. 0.96
01:58:06.000 They're letting Biden slide.
01:58:08.000 Watching Don Lemon interview him and watching him babble in these weird, nonsensical, circular sentences that don't mean anything, just talking, just making noises with his face.
01:58:21.000 Like, what did you just say?
01:58:22.000 He's not saying anything.
01:58:23.000 And Don Lemon is there pretending that it makes sense.
01:58:26.000 Like, if he was talking to Trump, he would...
01:58:28.000 For sure say, oh my god, this man is not fit for office. 1.00
01:58:33.000 This man is mentally impaired. 1.00
01:58:34.000 There's something wrong here. 1.00
01:58:36.000 We have a huge issue.
01:58:37.000 It's a national security issue.
01:58:39.000 We need to deal with this right now.
01:58:40.000 But the fact that they don't look at Biden the same way they would look at Trump in terms of judging him by his actual speech and actions.
01:58:49.000 There's a little bit of that going on right now because of Afghanistan.
01:58:52.000 And what's interesting is Michael Malice actually pointed this out.
01:58:55.000 I think he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos.
01:58:59.000 Is that who it was?
01:59:00.000 I don't know about this interview.
01:59:01.000 Anyway, they made him orange.
01:59:03.000 Really?
01:59:05.000 Yes.
01:59:06.000 They used something where either that or he got a fake tan.
01:59:11.000 Either he got a fake tan or they used the same sort of color correction and filters that they would use with Trump. 0.98
01:59:19.000 But Biden, in his most latest interview, looks fucking orange all of a sudden. 0.98
01:59:24.000 He used to look like this translucent, sort of jellyfish-skinned, dying man. 0.99
01:59:31.000 And now he's got Trump skin.
01:59:34.000 Weird.
01:59:35.000 Let's see if you can find that video. 0.99
01:59:37.000 Because it's fucking odd. 0.98
01:59:39.000 And Malice pointed it out. 0.99
01:59:41.000 Malice was like, I think they're doing that to make people think of Trump because they're throwing him under the bus now.
01:59:46.000 Yeah.
01:59:46.000 They're throwing him under the bus on CNN. They're throwing him under the bus on mainstream media.
01:59:50.000 This is all Biden's fault.
01:59:51.000 I mean...
01:59:53.000 I think the knee-jerking stuff around Trump versus Biden, I think, is so representative of how progressives engage with all politics.
02:00:09.000 It's all not thinking and knee-jerking.
02:00:16.000 It's all we support.
02:00:18.000 We support BLM. We support trans people.
02:00:22.000 We hate Trump. 0.99
02:00:24.000 Anyone who has anything critical to say about these movements is a white supremacist or a bigot or a trans woman. 1.00
02:00:32.000 Nobody's thinking. 0.90
02:00:33.000 Look at this.
02:00:33.000 Oh, what a nice tan.
02:00:35.000 How crazy is that?
02:00:37.000 Biden dismisses Afghans falling out of planes by saying it was four or five days ago.
02:00:42.000 Yeah, totally.
02:00:43.000 Look at what they're doing.
02:00:45.000 How strange.
02:00:46.000 We've seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17.
02:00:49.000 We've seen Afghans falling. 0.51
02:00:52.000 That was four days ago, five days ago.
02:00:54.000 What did you think when you first saw those pictures?
02:00:56.000 But we've all seen the pictures.
02:00:58.000 What does that mean?
02:01:00.000 It's like when someone sends you a meme, like, bro, I saw it last week. 0.99
02:01:04.000 That's what he's saying about people falling out of fucking planes. 0.97
02:01:07.000 Yeah, he's like, didn't you see that on Instagram? 0.99
02:01:08.000 Like, I saw that on Instagram.
02:01:09.000 He's like, it was four days ago.
02:01:11.000 Like, what does that mean?
02:01:13.000 Is that bad?
02:01:14.000 Is it nothing?
02:01:16.000 Because it's four days ago?
02:01:17.000 That was during the Vietnam era.
02:01:19.000 We all saw that already.
02:01:19.000 That was during the Korean War.
02:01:21.000 Why are you bringing that up?
02:01:22.000 It was pretty upsetting.
02:01:23.000 Four days ago.
02:01:24.000 Pretty big deal.
02:01:25.000 He's so dead. 0.78
02:01:27.000 He's so cognitively impaired.
02:01:30.000 It's so disturbing to watch.
02:01:33.000 And zero faith as a leader.
02:01:36.000 No one has faith in him to make good decisions.
02:01:38.000 They lie and they pretend they do. 0.99
02:01:40.000 But no one looks at him and go, he's fucking nailing it. 0.99
02:01:43.000 The guy's got it. 0.99
02:01:44.000 Like when Obama was in office, when Obama would speak, you would go, that guy is fucking smart. 0.95
02:01:49.000 That guy's cool, calm, and collected. 0.97
02:01:52.000 He's a statesman.
02:01:54.000 I loved Obama.
02:01:54.000 I mean, I know that he's not perfect on policy, but he's obviously a very intelligent, competent man, quite charming, quite funny.
02:02:01.000 That sold me.
02:02:03.000 Agreed.
02:02:03.000 And a perfect representative of the United States in terms of the way he speaks.
02:02:08.000 He's so eloquent.
02:02:09.000 He's so respected.
02:02:10.000 He's so classy. 1.00
02:02:12.000 Never lost his shit. 1.00
02:02:13.000 Great taste in music. 1.00
02:02:15.000 It's like...
02:02:17.000 I think the policy thing, and I think in terms of enforcing foreign policy in particular, I think we have an illusion of how much control they actually have.
02:02:28.000 I think the deep state, the idea of the deep state is real.
02:02:32.000 There's people that are in politics, they're in office and government that never leave.
02:02:38.000 Well, how would somebody like Biden end up in power? 0.98
02:02:41.000 Like, what a useless person to put in power. 0.99
02:02:44.000 Exactly. 1.00
02:02:45.000 Exactly. 0.99
02:02:45.000 Oh, and also it showed how hypocritically people are when it comes to sexual assault. 0.99
02:02:56.000 Because all the allegations against Biden, they were like, well, I don't believe her. 1.00
02:03:01.000 But what happened to all that believe all women shit? 1.00
02:03:03.000 Where was all that? 1.00
02:03:05.000 Well, that's a really stupid mantra to begin with. 1.00
02:03:08.000 It is. 1.00
02:03:08.000 But, I mean, like, obviously you shouldn't just believe all women, no matter what. 1.00
02:03:12.000 I mean, again, this is another one of those things, like I said, you know, like, I've sort of been, like, moving away from feminism.
02:03:18.000 And it doesn't mean that I'm not a feminist anymore.
02:03:20.000 Like, I've actually been, ironically, like, under attack by the radical feminists lately. 1.00
02:03:25.000 Who are the radical feminists? 1.00
02:03:27.000 You don't have to name names, but, like, I know Christina Hoff Summers gets attacked by them. 0.99
02:03:31.000 I mean, they identify themselves as radical feminists. 0.77
02:03:36.000 I mean, I guess their ideology generally would be like, they would be anti-pornography, they would be anti-prostitution, they would be anti the gender identity stuff.
02:03:49.000 Wait a minute.
02:03:50.000 You just outed yourself, lady.
02:03:53.000 Okay, okay, okay.
02:03:54.000 Okay, but there's more.
02:03:57.000 I mean, I don't believe...
02:04:00.000 But you just listed off the three things that you...
02:04:02.000 I don't want to upend the system.
02:04:03.000 Oh, okay.
02:04:04.000 I don't believe men are responsible for all of the bad things that happen in the world.
02:04:08.000 Right.
02:04:09.000 They're going to get mad at me again because now they're going to act like I'm stereotyping.
02:04:12.000 But I mean, the answer is men. 0.99
02:04:15.000 Men are the problem. 1.00
02:04:16.000 Men are responsible for all of the violence, all the bad things that happen in this world. 0.99
02:04:22.000 Men have all this power.
02:04:23.000 Men are always in a position of privilege.
02:04:25.000 Women are always the victims. 1.00
02:04:26.000 I don't believe that at all.
02:04:28.000 I don't believe that women are not responsible for their choices in life. 1.00
02:04:33.000 I think that women should... 1.00
02:04:37.000 Take responsibility for the choices that they make.
02:04:39.000 And I feel like radical feminism, I mean, maybe, you know, feminism in general does this.
02:04:44.000 It's probably not just radical feminism. 1.00
02:04:46.000 Goes in too hard on this, like, women are perpetual victims and they can't be blamed, even for bad behavior. 1.00
02:04:53.000 So even if a woman acts like shitty or acts like a bitch or says something horrible, it's like... 1.00
02:04:58.000 Well, you know, the patriarchy, like, she's suffered under patriarchy her whole life. 1.00
02:05:03.000 She's been abused. 0.91
02:05:04.000 Like, this lack of accountability.
02:05:07.000 Women don't have to be accountable for the things that they do. 1.00
02:05:11.000 And, you know, I... That's a good question.
02:05:15.000 Like, who are the radical feminists? 1.00
02:05:17.000 I mean, they're women who identify themselves as radical feminists, and they've turned against me in part because I've been trying to have more nuanced conversations, even about pornography.
02:05:27.000 Like, yes, I'm anti-pornography, but I also recently...
02:05:30.000 Sort of tried to say like, okay, I, you know, men use pornography.
02:05:37.000 Most men use pornography. 0.98
02:05:39.000 This is a reality. 0.99
02:05:40.000 All of those men are bad men. 0.62
02:05:42.000 I can't say in good faith that all men who use pornography are like misogynists or hate women, and that's what these women would say. 0.97
02:05:51.000 Any man who consumes pornography hates women, hates women, or is a misogynist.
02:05:56.000 I'm like, okay, I mean, that's like a lot of men. 0.85
02:05:59.000 And it's a lot of men that I know, you know, that's like my boyfriends or like my male friends.
02:06:06.000 And I understand the train of thought because they're thinking of the porn industry as this hugely unethical, again, exploitative, abusive industry.
02:06:16.000 And they're saying, If a man's making a choice to consume this and he knows that she doesn't want to be there, he knows that she's being hurt or he knows that she's being abused, then obviously he doesn't care about women.
02:06:26.000 Obviously he's a misogynist.
02:06:28.000 And I'm like, but that's not always the case.
02:06:30.000 And he doesn't know that.
02:06:31.000 That's not what men are thinking about for the most part when they're, you know, watching pornography.
02:06:35.000 They're not thinking, oh, this woman is being abused. 0.98
02:06:38.000 Like, and we have to be able to have real, honest, empathetic, compassionate conversations with one another, and it doesn't fucking help. 0.97
02:06:45.000 Like, if you want to stop men from using pornography, do you think screaming, you're a misogynist, is going to stop him? 1.00
02:06:51.000 Like, you're a horrible person, like, you hate women? 1.00
02:06:53.000 He's going to be like, oh, I do hate women. 1.00
02:06:56.000 I should stop. 0.98
02:06:57.000 Like...
02:06:58.000 Yeah.
02:06:59.000 And they got really angry at me because they accused me, essentially, of coddling men.
02:07:02.000 They also called me a ball palmer.
02:07:04.000 A ball palmer?
02:07:05.000 What is a ball palmer?
02:07:07.000 You're palming balls?
02:07:08.000 I mean, like... 0.99
02:07:09.000 You're cradling balls? 0.95
02:07:10.000 And I was like, well... 0.98
02:07:12.000 What does that mean?
02:07:13.000 It means...
02:07:13.000 Have you ever heard of that, Jen?
02:07:15.000 A ball palmer?
02:07:16.000 Not in an ironic context, I don't think, but...
02:07:20.000 Like, they're accusing me of being, like, so, like, enamored with men that I can't think straight, basically, that I'm coddling men.
02:07:29.000 But I found the term very amusing because they called me a ball palmer and I was like, well, I mean, I'm like a heterosexual woman, so...
02:07:36.000 Is there something that works like that the opposite for men?
02:07:40.000 Is there like a breast cradler? 0.99
02:07:43.000 Oh, like it would be like Pussy Whipped, probably. 0.99
02:07:46.000 Right? 0.99
02:07:47.000 Yeah, I guess so.
02:07:48.000 But no, that's not even the same thing.
02:07:50.000 That's like a guy who's got a girl who's just got him like googly.
02:07:53.000 That's called Simp, I think.
02:07:56.000 Oh, okay.
02:07:57.000 Simp.
02:07:58.000 Maybe that's better.
02:07:58.000 I just looked up Ball Palmer and it doesn't come up.
02:08:01.000 It's just a radical feminist insult for women who aren't like... 1.00
02:08:05.000 A ball palmer!
02:08:07.000 I know.
02:08:07.000 I really like it.
02:08:09.000 Like, I've been using it a lot.
02:08:10.000 I found it very funny.
02:08:12.000 But, you know, like, it's essentially like, if I'm not gonna vilify men, like, if I'm not, like, hard-ass enough, then I'm a ball palmer.
02:08:20.000 Got it.
02:08:20.000 Like, I'm, like, I'm too soft on men, basically.
02:08:24.000 Got it.
02:08:24.000 I got it.
02:08:24.000 And I'm like, I'm just trying to talk to people like I'm genuinely like I want to understand people, even if they're people I don't agree with, like, God forbid.
02:08:33.000 And I you know, like, if you genuinely want to change people's minds, then you have to treat them as humans and be fair.
02:08:40.000 And I think you do have to try to understand them.
02:08:42.000 Not if they're horrible murderers or they're sociopaths or whatever, but just regular people.
02:08:48.000 You think that everybody in the world has been exposed to a radical feminist analysis of pornography? 1.00
02:08:54.000 No, no one has and nobody cares.
02:08:56.000 You have to have conversations with people.
02:08:57.000 Has anyone ever successfully argued for pornography?
02:09:04.000 Have you ever heard anybody making good arguments, whether it's a woman or a man, for pornography?
02:09:11.000 I mean, I think that people would argue that men need a sexual outlet.
02:09:17.000 So I just interviewed on my YouTube channel a woman who's a stripper. 0.99
02:09:21.000 And she's actually anti-porn, but she's worked as a stripper for like 20 years. 1.00
02:09:26.000 And she's a feminist. 1.00
02:09:28.000 And, you know, she was like, the reality is that a lot of men don't have access to sex. 0.96
02:09:37.000 Or they don't have access to as much sex as they want to have. 0.96
02:09:41.000 Or they don't have access to the kind of sex they want to have. 0.97
02:09:44.000 And like, what do we do with men? 0.59
02:09:46.000 What do we do with those men?
02:09:48.000 How do we deal with this? 1.00
02:09:50.000 And the radical feminists would say, too bad, fuck them, like, go masturbate in your corner. 1.00
02:09:57.000 Right, it's not my problem. 1.00
02:10:00.000 And I think on a certain level women really don't totally understand the male libido and male sexuality.
02:10:08.000 I assume it's probably different than how women feel or think about sex. 1.00
02:10:13.000 It's one of the things that trans men always say. 0.99
02:10:15.000 They have a different understanding.
02:10:17.000 Once they start taking testosterone, they're like, oh, God.
02:10:21.000 Yeah. 0.97
02:10:21.000 Like, no wonder white men are so pushy. 0.97
02:10:23.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:10:25.000 I thought you were going to say, like, perverted. 0.98
02:10:27.000 Perverted, too. 0.98
02:10:28.000 That, too. 1.00
02:10:29.000 Just horny. 0.55
02:10:30.000 Yeah, I think it's more intense.
02:10:33.000 I mean, males in general, because of just biological history, we have more of a history of aggression, more of a history of also the competition for mating.
02:10:51.000 The competition amongst males is very aggressive.
02:10:55.000 Like if one man finds, I was just, a friend of mine was just telling me this story about this woman who was, who's dating one guy and then she broke up with this guy and then dated a guy that worked with him and it became this fucking colossal catastrophe and these guys had a fist fight at work and I was like, 0.91
02:11:12.000 holy shit, but that's like standard male breeding behavior amongst wolves, amongst gorillas, amongst like all sorts of different male animals. 0.83
02:11:23.000 Like this is mine or like it's a threat to my masculinity? 0.99
02:11:27.000 I think there's a, well, it's a threat to their hierarchy, their position in the social food chain, the idea that, you know, that now they don't get to breed with this female, but now this other male gets to breed with this female,
02:11:43.000 whether it's a gorilla or a male or a wolf or whatever. 1.00
02:11:46.000 And then there's like, fuck him! 1.00
02:11:48.000 You know, and then there's this weird sort of natural built-in shit. 1.00
02:11:54.000 And with beta males, it's like, you know, reputation destruction. 0.99
02:11:58.000 They'll talk shit about you behind your back and, you know, and mail things to your ex-girlfriends and, you know, get crazy in that way. 0.98
02:12:04.000 But there's a weird sort of aggression thing that's involved with testosterone and dating. 0.99
02:12:12.000 You know, it's a weird...
02:12:15.000 It's an undeniable aspect of some parts of male behavior.
02:12:22.000 Yeah.
02:12:23.000 Yeah, I mean, men are obviously super competitive in that way.
02:12:26.000 I mean, I've had that experience, yeah, like, with men that I've broken up with, and there's no thing, and, like, we're friends, and it's been a long time, and they get super, like, competitive and weird when I start dating someone else.
02:12:37.000 And it's like, man, you're dating somebody else.
02:12:40.000 Like, you don't want me.
02:12:41.000 Like, we're not this, like, you know, it's not that you want me.
02:12:44.000 It's that it's like, oh, somebody, it's like...
02:12:46.000 It's like men are supposed to, and they should, figure out a way to manage that.
02:12:51.000 But I think we need to recognize that there's some sort of weird inherent programming in human beings that's biological, that is completely about passing on your DNA, and that is...
02:13:07.000 Ingrained in your cells in some strange way that manifests itself in relationships in really gross and horrible ways.
02:13:16.000 And there's no management skills that are taught to men.
02:13:20.000 There's no mitigation skills in terms of strategies of releasing this kind of aggressive energy, working out, going to the gym, maybe jerking off before you call your girlfriend and say you're sorry.
02:13:31.000 That kind of stuff.
02:13:32.000 There's so many...
02:13:33.000 Your ex-girlfriend, rather.
02:13:34.000 There's so many weird things that are involved with being a biological human being, whether it's female or male.
02:13:43.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:13:44.000 And so telling men to just suppress it is the least helpful thing ever.
02:13:48.000 It's like, oh, you feel this way?
02:13:49.000 Too bad. 1.00
02:13:50.000 Fuck you. 1.00
02:13:51.000 Fuck off. 1.00
02:13:52.000 You're bad. 1.00
02:13:52.000 You're pathetic. 1.00
02:13:54.000 You're right, and men aren't offered, and boys especially, they're not offered alternatives, they're not offered healthy outlets, again, like sports or martial arts or whatever. 0.99
02:14:05.000 I think more importantly, they're not offered an understanding of a female's perspective either.
02:14:09.000 That's a real big, they think about what they want, especially when people are young, right?
02:14:14.000 When you're young and your frontal lobe hasn't developed, you're thinking about what you want.
02:14:18.000 You're not thinking about what the other person wants.
02:14:20.000 And I think from an early age, it would be great if we had a better understanding, like a real honest understanding of how the other side thinks.
02:14:29.000 Yes, exactly.
02:14:30.000 And I feel like that was the conversation that I was trying to open up.
02:14:35.000 And, you know, my audience includes, you know, primarily like a lot of, I mean, there's men in my audience too, but obviously tons and tons of feminists and tons and tons of radical feminists.
02:14:44.000 And I'm saying like, we have to try, we don't understand each other and we have to try to understand each other and be realistic about what's going on.
02:14:53.000 And we live in a world where boys are growing up We're good to go. 1.00
02:15:18.000 Whatever.
02:15:19.000 And people just want to shut it down or they don't want to talk about it or they just want to shut it up.
02:15:27.000 The people who don't really feel concerned about porn will more likely be like, oh, it's just sex.
02:15:32.000 It's just a fantasy.
02:15:32.000 I think also we have to take into consideration the way girls' brains are being rewired because they're looking at that in terms of what the expectations on them are.
02:15:40.000 Yeah, totally. 0.99
02:15:41.000 I read this study and it was kind of a fucked up study because it was like a study about how kids are having much more anal sex now than ever before. 1.00
02:15:51.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:15:51.000 And part of me was like, What kind of scientist is like, what do you want to study? 0.99
02:15:56.000 I want to study kids' buttfucking. 1.00
02:16:00.000 How many teenagers are having anal sex? 1.00
02:16:02.000 Let's poll. 1.00
02:16:03.000 Hey, I want to talk to that fucking scientist and make sure they're on the up and up. 0.99
02:16:06.000 But the reality is that seeing those images, like any child that has access to a phone. 0.99
02:16:13.000 Your little perverted friends are going to say, have you Googled this yet?
02:16:17.000 Have you seen that? 1.00
02:16:19.000 Most parents don't have restrictions on their kids' phones, so if you give a boy a phone, you're basically saying, hey little fella, go watch people fuck. 1.00
02:16:29.000 Go watch violence and go watch people fuck. 1.00
02:16:31.000 Go watch gunshot videos and Don't find the most deranged shit that you can find. 1.00
02:16:37.000 Your brain's developing. 1.00
02:16:39.000 This is perfect.
02:16:39.000 That's what they're doing.
02:16:40.000 Look at this.
02:16:40.000 I think the expectations on girls is another thing that should be studied about that, too.
02:16:45.000 Because if you're watching grown adults that enjoy participating in kinky shit... 1.00
02:16:55.000 That's a grown adult that's been through the ringer. 1.00
02:16:58.000 They've been through a lot of things in their life, and then they have two shots of this wacky shit that you like, and they're like, go ahead, put it in my ass. 1.00
02:17:10.000 This is the problem. 0.99
02:17:11.000 The problem is, like, they're doing two shots of rice and they're like, yeah, put it anywhere.
02:17:15.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:17:16.000 They're getting crazy.
02:17:17.000 And then, you know, some high school girl sees that and like, is that what we're supposed to do?
02:17:22.000 Is that what we do?
02:17:23.000 Like, do we have to say we like that so that people like us?
02:17:26.000 Yes, and this is a huge problem, and it makes me really upset.
02:17:29.000 I feel really bad for girls who are growing up in this world.
02:17:32.000 Right around the time we started today, this is kind of like the news of the day online I'm seeing.
02:17:36.000 OnlyFans has announced they're going to ban sexually explicit videos.
02:17:40.000 What?
02:17:41.000 I thought that was their whole business model.
02:17:43.000 That's what everyone's been discussing.
02:17:44.000 In the article, if you read into it, it does say what they're trying to get rid of is like...
02:17:49.000 Bestiality and rape and everything that would be bad, but it's all getting encompassed in this blanket statement.
02:17:57.000 Do you think this has anything to do with Rachel Dolezal opening up her early fans?
02:18:01.000 I think that's a very bad timing for her.
02:18:02.000 Is that real?
02:18:03.000 Did that happen?
02:18:04.000 No.
02:18:04.000 He said it to me.
02:18:05.000 I can't believe it took her so long, honestly.
02:18:09.000 And one of the things is cooking and exercise, but also feet.
02:18:14.000 Yeah, she did mention that.
02:18:15.000 Look at the Daily Beast titled it.
02:18:18.000 Oh my god.
02:18:19.000 Rachel Dolezal's new side hustle, OnlyFans. 0.95
02:18:22.000 I mean, I'm not saying that I support it, but it's like, I mean, she obviously lost access to almost any income, so I'm saying I'm surprised it took her this long.
02:18:32.000 Look what she used to look like. 1.00
02:18:33.000 How bizarre.
02:18:34.000 Like with her fake tan. 0.99
02:18:36.000 I feel bad for her.
02:18:37.000 Do you feel like what she does is any different than someone who identifies with a different gender?
02:18:45.000 Sex.
02:18:47.000 So gender and sex are not the same thing.
02:18:52.000 So gender to me, gender means masculinity or femininity.
02:18:56.000 So that's like referring to the roles that are assigned to people based on their sex.
02:19:03.000 So like those stereotypes where it's like...
02:19:05.000 So a feminine male, his gender is female? 0.95
02:19:08.000 Like a guy who's in a gay relationship, but he's the wife? 0.99
02:19:12.000 No.
02:19:12.000 So I don't think that gender is a very useful concept.
02:19:15.000 Okay, let's just say sex.
02:19:16.000 Okay, great. 0.67
02:19:17.000 But just to get away from that, do you think that what she does or did, when she says she identifies with African Americans, that's like the culture that she's...
02:19:27.000 No, I don't think it's the same thing.
02:19:28.000 And I don't, I mean, this is a very complex conversation, but...
02:19:31.000 Is there racial dysphoria?
02:19:33.000 Like, there's gender just for her? 1.00
02:19:34.000 I mean, maybe. 0.99
02:19:35.000 Those people are crazy, too. 0.91
02:19:36.000 But I don't... 0.93
02:19:38.000 You know, like, did you watch the documentary about her?
02:19:41.000 No.
02:19:42.000 Okay, it's good.
02:19:43.000 I can't.
02:19:44.000 I can barely get through this HBO documentary on QAnon.
02:19:48.000 Oh, okay.
02:19:49.000 I watched that one.
02:19:50.000 Have you seen that?
02:19:50.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:19:51.000 I'm four episodes in.
02:19:52.000 It keeps going back and forth.
02:19:54.000 Now, for a moment, I was thinking it was Steve Bannon. 1.00
02:19:58.000 But now I'm back to that fucking kid. 1.00
02:20:00.000 Well, keep at it. 1.00
02:20:02.000 It's a good...
02:20:03.000 Best of luck.
02:20:06.000 It's a good documentary.
02:20:08.000 It's sympathetic and deservedly so.
02:20:12.000 She had a really hard childhood.
02:20:15.000 There was abuse.
02:20:17.000 And I think she just was seeking...
02:20:22.000 And seeking and she found an identity.
02:20:24.000 And she also like she was doing good in that community.
02:20:27.000 She was.
02:20:27.000 She was the head of the NAACP. Like, no, it's not good to say that you're black when you're white.
02:20:32.000 But I mean, she didn't actually do any harm by doing that.
02:20:36.000 And I do think that I mean, race is not as black and white as sex is, right?
02:20:43.000 Right.
02:20:43.000 Because we all come from Africa.
02:20:46.000 Like all human beings. 0.95
02:20:48.000 Yeah, and we're all like a crazy mix.
02:20:51.000 And also there isn't actually...
02:20:54.000 I mean, you know, in Canada and in the United States, people act like there's this binary, like white versus black.
02:21:03.000 And, you know, whites are in power and black people don't have power. 1.00
02:21:08.000 And racism always goes in one direction. 1.00
02:21:10.000 And that's total bullshit. 0.99
02:21:12.000 Like, I mean, the history of the world shows otherwise. 1.00
02:21:16.000 Right.
02:21:16.000 But yeah, it's not a binary thing.
02:21:18.000 It's not black and white.
02:21:19.000 She wasn't trying to... 0.99
02:21:21.000 I don't think she was going out of her way to usurp a position that should have been for a black person. 0.97
02:21:27.000 I think she was looking for community and she was looking for purpose and trying to help.
02:21:33.000 And yeah, and she was troubled.
02:21:35.000 She probably has some mental illness issues. 0.98
02:21:39.000 Well, she changed her name. 0.91
02:21:41.000 Do you know what her new name is?
02:21:43.000 No.
02:21:45.000 Is it Colin?
02:21:46.000 No.
02:21:49.000 Colin would be more realistic.
02:21:51.000 Is it Mark?
02:21:52.000 It's like some African priest name. 1.00
02:21:56.000 It's the most ridiculous name. 1.00
02:21:58.000 Okay, so she's a little bit crazy. 1.00
02:22:01.000 You need to see it. 0.89
02:22:01.000 I feel bad for her. 0.89
02:22:02.000 But she did it publicly. 1.00
02:22:04.000 She wanted to let everyone know.
02:22:06.000 That she's officially African? 0.79
02:22:09.000 Yeah, I mean, she's all in with this transracial thing. 0.96
02:22:13.000 She's not abandoning it.
02:22:15.000 She's changed her name.
02:22:16.000 What is her name?
02:22:19.000 That was four days ago.
02:22:20.000 Four days ago!
02:22:22.000 People were falling out of planes.
02:22:23.000 Let it go.
02:22:24.000 That was four days ago.
02:22:26.000 Hanging on the tires.
02:22:28.000 Four days ago.
02:22:29.000 It was over four days ago.
02:22:30.000 They're dead by now.
02:22:30.000 Sorry, that was crude.
02:22:31.000 No big deal.
02:22:32.000 No big deal.
02:22:32.000 Look at my orange skin.
02:22:34.000 Yeah.
02:22:34.000 They made him orange.
02:22:35.000 Did you notice that? 1.00
02:22:36.000 I think they're fucking with him. 0.99
02:22:38.000 I think he's on his way out. 1.00
02:22:39.000 I really do.
02:22:40.000 I think Michael Malice is correct.
02:22:42.000 Who will they put in now?
02:22:43.000 Here, how about this new name?
02:22:45.000 Nakechi Amari Diallo.
02:22:49.000 Her new full name, Nakechi Amare Diallo.
02:22:55.000 It's a West African name that means gift of God.
02:22:59.000 Oh no.
02:23:00.000 Yeah, see?
02:23:01.000 I mean, poor lady. 1.00
02:23:02.000 Now I'm not on her team anymore.
02:23:03.000 Now I'm not on her side. 1.00
02:23:05.000 Okay, but she's mentally ill. 1.00
02:23:07.000 She's troubled. 0.99
02:23:08.000 Sure.
02:23:09.000 But you like that.
02:23:10.000 That's okay.
02:23:12.000 I don't like it, no.
02:23:13.000 But you're okay.
02:23:14.000 I feel bad for her.
02:23:15.000 Right.
02:23:15.000 Do you feel bad for trans people?
02:23:16.000 Okay, she doesn't have... 1.00
02:23:18.000 Sure, yes.
02:23:19.000 If you're suffering because you hate your body, you feel so uncomfortable in your skin, of course I feel bad for you.
02:23:28.000 But do you think that should be okay?
02:23:29.000 Is it okay to be transracial? 0.92
02:23:31.000 No.
02:23:32.000 But I feel bad for her.
02:23:34.000 She's not a threat to anybody.
02:23:36.000 There's a difference when you're changing legislation and policy and it's having a really, really serious negative impact on half of the population versus one lady who's had a sad life and she's just trying to... 0.97
02:23:51.000 Yeah, that's a good point.
02:23:52.000 That's a good point.
02:23:53.000 It's different.
02:23:53.000 If it was a major phenomenon and people were losing access to funding or jobs or whatever because white people were posing as black and getting the funding instead or getting these positions instead or whatever it is...
02:24:11.000 That's reasonable.
02:24:12.000 And again, this thing where these men who are entering into women's spaces really are a threat to women, in a physical sense as well as in a political sense.
02:24:26.000 I don't think that that's, again, such a black and white issue when it comes to race.
02:24:33.000 Has being kicked off of Twitter made you more free in terms of your ability to discuss things?
02:24:42.000 Because you don't get the same sort of instantaneous feedback on your ideas that you do with Twitter, which I think is...
02:24:50.000 In some ways, positive, like the discussions you can have with people, but in a lot of ways, negative.
02:24:56.000 Because a lot of what you're dealing with is just people complaining and criticizing and insulting and being really shitty in a way that people...
02:25:06.000 Generally, don't do in real life.
02:25:08.000 They only do when they're hiding behind a screen name and only using text and not in front of a person so they don't get social cues and see the impact that their insulting statements have on this person's personality.
02:25:24.000 You know, they're doing it like they're throwing bombs over a fence and they can't see what's on the other side.
02:25:30.000 I mean, I had a lot of support on Twitter, to be honest, and I think that that was part of why they got rid of me.
02:25:37.000 Like, I think people were feeling emboldened by what I was saying and I was getting a lot of support and they were like, I don't know who they is.
02:25:43.000 I don't know if it's like, you know, trans activists who had connections at Twitter or who worked there or, you know, whether it was the head of safety, who's again, I can't say her name.
02:25:54.000 If they were like, oh, she's getting too much traction and this is starting to legitimize. 0.60
02:25:58.000 I was talking about this stuff in a rational way. 0.99
02:26:01.000 I wasn't being an asshole. 0.99
02:26:04.000 Is that part of the problem? 0.99
02:26:05.000 Yes.
02:26:05.000 I think that these questions that I was asking were legitimate in making people question this ideology and I think they didn't want that, whoever they is.
02:26:14.000 I wasn't having a bad time on Twitter. 0.99
02:26:19.000 I got a lot of shit, but who cares? 0.99
02:26:24.000 It's so blown out of proportion, this idea that people are being devastated by online harassment. 1.00
02:26:31.000 I think that cancel culture can be really awful and ruin people's lives, but being called names on Twitter, I mean, who cares?
02:26:38.000 Just block them.
02:26:39.000 Somebody says something mean to you, somebody insults your appearance, even somebody threatens you.
02:26:43.000 It's not as big a deal as people pretend it is.
02:26:46.000 I mean, I've been threatened more than most people in the world on the internet, and I I don't really care that much.
02:26:54.000 And part of it is probably that I'm used to it.
02:26:56.000 Part of it is that I think I just have a thick skin.
02:26:58.000 Like, as a person, I'm not a super...
02:27:01.000 I'm not sensitive in that way.
02:27:03.000 Like, I'm not super upset by what people say to me.
02:27:06.000 You're not fragile.
02:27:06.000 Yeah.
02:27:07.000 Yes, I'm not fragile.
02:27:08.000 Thank you.
02:27:09.000 So no, it doesn't help.
02:27:11.000 It's been worse.
02:27:13.000 The only thing that's been good about being kicked off of Twitter is that I can have these conversations and that, you know what, it actually connected me with a whole bunch of people that I never would have connected with otherwise.
02:27:24.000 You know, like people who are right wing.
02:27:26.000 People who I wrote off as a committed leftist and feminist.
02:27:33.000 Ben Shapiro called me after I got kicked off of Twitter and he was like, can I support you?
02:27:38.000 And I think he's a really nice guy and I never would have talked to him or considered that he's not just an enemy to my cause.
02:27:50.000 And it really shook up my ideas about politics and about this left-right binary and made me very passionate about free speech.
02:28:02.000 And I wasn't before and I feel bad about that.
02:28:04.000 And I apologized about that publicly.
02:28:06.000 I was never openly against free speech, but I never really bothered standing up for free speech.
02:28:13.000 I never thought about it much.
02:28:14.000 In Canada, we really don't.
02:28:16.000 And now I've realized, and it's unfortunate that something like that would have to happen to me in order for me to realize how important it is and to stand up.
02:28:24.000 But it did.
02:28:25.000 And it made me realize how awful and destructive and dangerous these corporate monopolies are, these big tech monopolies are.
02:28:34.000 And they are. 0.95
02:28:34.000 They're really fucking dangerous and a lot of people don't realize. 0.95
02:28:37.000 I agree, and I think free speech is almost everything. 0.93
02:28:41.000 It's the only way we ever discuss things and figure out what's right and what's wrong, and you've got to let it sort itself out.
02:28:46.000 And if you don't, if you just put the walls up and say you're kicked out of the kingdom, like, wow.
02:28:54.000 Especially, you know, we're not talking about a small-scale thing.
02:28:59.000 We're talking about a massive multi-billion member thing.
02:29:04.000 We're talking about what essentially should be a utility.
02:29:06.000 It should be a public right to use these things to communicate.
02:29:09.000 And it's one thing if you're doxing people or harassing people, but if you're just discussing ideas, you should be able to discuss ideas openly and without fear of repercussion from the administrators who are essentially just appealing to one particular ideology and not supporting the other ideology at all.
02:29:30.000 It's fucking dangerous and it's unprecedented because there's never been a thing like this before.
02:29:34.000 And the people that, well, their side is supported by these conversations and these people getting censored. 0.98
02:29:40.000 They're like, well, it's a private company.
02:29:44.000 They can do what they like. 1.00
02:29:47.000 It's a nonsense, horseshit argument. 0.99
02:29:49.000 This is not a private company. 0.99
02:29:51.000 This is essentially just like a utility.
02:29:53.000 It's massive.
02:29:54.000 There's way too many people, and the impact that it has is so huge. 1.00
02:29:58.000 Here's how fucking ridiculous they are. 0.99
02:30:00.000 The Taliban's on Twitter, and you're not. 1.00
02:30:04.000 And you're not.
02:30:06.000 I mean, to be fair, I am worse than the Taliban. 1.00
02:30:08.000 Do you know how crazy that is?
02:30:09.000 The Taliban's on Twitter. 0.91
02:30:11.000 Belittle all you.
02:30:13.000 Like, she said him.
02:30:14.000 Yeah.
02:30:15.000 I mean, I, like, I know, I just think that, and the private company argument is coming from leftists or progressives, and it's like, oh, suddenly you're a fan of corporate monopolies?
02:30:30.000 Yeah.
02:30:31.000 Hilarious.
02:30:31.000 And what a joke.
02:30:32.000 Please, you cannot in good faith pretend that this is just a business.
02:30:36.000 This is where conversations happen.
02:30:38.000 This is where journalism happens.
02:30:40.000 I'm a journalist.
02:30:41.000 I don't actually produce very much journalism these days, but I'm a writer.
02:30:44.000 I'm trained in journalism.
02:30:45.000 This is my job.
02:30:48.000 It's very difficult to participate in public conversations and to do your job if you're a media producer or a journalist without access to social media platforms.
02:30:57.000 Well, impossible now.
02:30:59.000 Yeah.
02:31:00.000 But you still have Instagram, right?
02:31:02.000 Well, yeah, but...
02:31:03.000 Do you have Facebook as well?
02:31:04.000 Yeah, but...
02:31:05.000 So I was just...
02:31:06.000 I was really just using Twitter before I got kicked off because I don't...
02:31:10.000 I mean, I honestly don't love social media, to be honest, and I really don't like Facebook at all.
02:31:14.000 So I didn't have a public Facebook account.
02:31:16.000 I didn't have a public Instagram account.
02:31:17.000 I didn't have a YouTube channel. 0.99
02:31:19.000 And then I got kicked off and I was like, oh, shit. 0.99
02:31:22.000 Like... 1.00
02:31:23.000 Put all your eggs in one basket.
02:31:24.000 I was shocked.
02:31:27.000 I cried.
02:31:28.000 I'm not joking.
02:31:29.000 I cried when I got kicked off of Twitter.
02:31:32.000 Well, I was scared.
02:31:33.000 I was like, how am I going to work?
02:31:35.000 How am I going to make an income?
02:31:37.000 And I just didn't think that would happen.
02:31:39.000 Again, I didn't think I was doing anything offensive.
02:31:42.000 I wasn't doing anything offensive.
02:31:44.000 But I just didn't anticipate it.
02:31:47.000 I remember somebody asking me, John Kay, who's a Canadian journalist, and he's like, Well, you must have seen it coming.
02:31:53.000 And I was like, no, I was totally shocked and I was really upset and I was scared.
02:31:59.000 Well, they've ramped up their censorship to the point where Sean Baker, who is an advocate of the carnivore diet, he's a guy who, he's like this very fit guy who's in his, I think he's 55,
02:32:15.000 and posts these videos.
02:32:18.000 He's an orthopedic surgeon, I believe.
02:32:22.000 He's some sort of physician.
02:32:24.000 He's an actual medical doctor.
02:32:28.000 And he believes that meat is the healthiest thing for people to eat.
02:32:32.000 It's a very controversial opinion.
02:32:34.000 Some people agree.
02:32:35.000 Some people disagree.
02:32:36.000 There's more than one doctor that agrees with him, though.
02:32:39.000 But meanwhile, he just got kicked off Twitter for this. 0.97
02:32:42.000 Ridiculous. 0.95
02:32:43.000 Like they banned him. 0.99
02:32:44.000 They banned him from Twitter?
02:32:46.000 He's banned forever from Twitter.
02:32:48.000 They don't offer any explanation. 0.91
02:32:50.000 Crazy.
02:32:51.000 And most of his posts are just about meat. 0.98
02:32:56.000 About eating meat.
02:32:57.000 About how healthy meat is for you.
02:32:59.000 And obviously someone at Twitter finds that...
02:33:04.000 Whether it's a political perspective, a social perspective, whatever it is, they think that it's bad for the environment of the world.
02:33:12.000 They kicked them off Twitter.
02:33:14.000 So, I mean, you've talked to these guys.
02:33:15.000 Like, what do you think?
02:33:16.000 Like, you had Jack Dorsey here and, oh my god, please let me learn how to say her name.
02:33:21.000 Vijah?
02:33:22.000 Yeah.
02:33:22.000 And, like, are they lying?
02:33:25.000 Like, I felt when they talked about me here, I thought they were lying about me.
02:33:30.000 I was like...
02:33:31.000 Jack Dorsey might be out to lunch and may not have known what happened to me, but I think she knows and she lied.
02:33:37.000 They essentially implied that I had been harassing people.
02:33:42.000 There's a long history of her harassing trans people. 1.00
02:33:45.000 Yeah, that's what I do with my time.
02:33:47.000 I harass trans people on the internet. 1.00
02:33:50.000 They have to justify their censorship position.
02:33:55.000 When people like him are being banned for advocating an all-meat diet or whatever he's doing, is he advocating an all-meat diet?
02:34:02.000 Yeah.
02:34:03.000 I mean, I've heard of this before.
02:34:04.000 And I know people who've...
02:34:06.000 I mean, I guess Jordan Peterson was doing that for a bit, right?
02:34:10.000 Is it politically motivated or is it just like you got reported one too many times or they're like, oh, this is a...
02:34:20.000 I think that's it.
02:34:22.000 I think that's it.
02:34:23.000 He's aggressive in his evangelism for it.
02:34:27.000 And I think they just decided at one point in time that they just were going to get rid of him.
02:34:30.000 And now he's banned permanently. 0.99
02:34:32.000 It's fucking wild. 0.99
02:34:33.000 Are you suing them? 0.99
02:34:35.000 Are you suing Twitter?
02:34:36.000 Well, we did, but we lost.
02:34:37.000 Oh.
02:34:38.000 And we lost because of Section 230, which is supposed to protect platforms from being, you know, essentially held accountable for what people post on their platforms.
02:34:50.000 So, like, I have a website, so if somebody posted a comment...
02:34:54.000 Tell your website.
02:34:54.000 Tell people your website.
02:34:55.000 FeministCurrent.com or.ca?
02:34:59.000 .com.
02:35:00.000 Okay.
02:35:01.000 And then I also have a podcast and a YouTube show.
02:35:04.000 It's called The Same Drugs with Megan Murphy.
02:35:06.000 I'm Megan Murphy.
02:35:10.000 The Same Drugs?
02:35:11.000 It's like a shout out to Chance the Rapper and who I'm a big fan of his and I really like that song.
02:35:17.000 But also sort of I felt like there was some kind of like zeitgeist thing where everybody was...
02:35:23.000 Changing their minds in the same direction at the same time.
02:35:27.000 Starting to question, not everyone obviously, but question orthodoxies and the kind of interviews.
02:35:33.000 The same drugs with Megan Murphy.
02:35:34.000 That's me.
02:35:35.000 Conversations outside the algorithm.
02:35:37.000 Thanks, Jamie.
02:35:38.000 And you got your hoops on and everything.
02:35:39.000 Look at you.
02:35:40.000 Yeah.
02:35:40.000 That's you.
02:35:41.000 That's what I look like.
02:35:42.000 That is you.
02:35:43.000 You're here right now.
02:35:44.000 I'm looking at you.
02:35:45.000 I've watched many of your YouTube videos.
02:35:48.000 Oh, thank you.
02:35:49.000 That's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you.
02:35:51.000 Okay.
02:35:52.000 When you're portrayed one way as being this hostile, disagreeable, unreasonable person who's harassing people, and then I actually see you talk, It's frustrating.
02:36:06.000 I hate that.
02:36:07.000 I hate when people are misrepresented.
02:36:09.000 It drives me nuts.
02:36:11.000 It's rude, and it's diametrically opposed to free speech.
02:36:19.000 Free speech is supposed to be about a person expressing themselves and I want to know what they really think and then I want to know is there a counter to that and who's right and let these people talk.
02:36:34.000 But when you misrepresent someone and you taint them and you change who they are, you've already poisoned the argument, right?
02:36:43.000 And I felt...
02:36:45.000 Like, I didn't know about you until I found out you got kicked off of Twitter and then someone let me know that you got kicked off of Twitter for saying a woman isn't a man. 1.00
02:36:54.000 And I was like, that is the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard. 0.94
02:36:57.000 And then I heard that, you know, I tried to do some research on you, found out you're a feminist, and I'm like... 1.00
02:37:04.000 But she's right.
02:37:05.000 We're talking about biology.
02:37:07.000 What are you allowed to say and why are you not allowed to say that?
02:37:11.000 What are you trying to protect by stopping this from being said?
02:37:15.000 And why can't we have that said and then have someone counter that in a way that's intelligent and robust and let's have a debate and a discussion and see if there's common ground that we can reach.
02:37:28.000 If there's some sort of a Yeah, and this has been one of my biggest frustrations is that no one will debate me.
02:37:41.000 So these people who say that I'm hateful or bigoted and completely, the misrepresentation thing completely drives me crazy.
02:37:49.000 I can't lie.
02:37:50.000 I don't think I'm ever going to get over it.
02:37:52.000 Not when I'm misrepresented, not when other people are. 0.87
02:37:55.000 You were talking about these Spotify employees who are trying to get rid of you, which is, of course, ridiculous.
02:38:03.000 But it's like, do you listen to this show?
02:38:06.000 I don't actually believe they listen to your show.
02:38:09.000 Just like I don't believe that the people who misrepresent me are actually listening to what I'm saying, because I don't know how they could listen to what I'm saying and then say those things about me.
02:38:18.000 They don't care.
02:38:19.000 They don't care to be truthful.
02:38:21.000 They have an ideology.
02:38:24.000 There's very clear borders of what's allowed and what's not allowed.
02:38:29.000 You stepped outside that border by saying a woman is never a man. 1.00
02:38:33.000 They're like, that bitch! 1.00
02:38:37.000 Clutch those pearls. 1.00
02:38:39.000 You fucked up their little narrative. 0.99
02:38:42.000 But it's the wrong way to approach any debatable issue. 0.98
02:38:47.000 And this is clearly a confusing, nuanced, debatable issue.
02:38:54.000 Well, and so...
02:38:55.000 This booze is really good, by the way.
02:38:57.000 I'm really enjoying it. 1.00
02:38:57.000 That's the real shit! 1.00
02:38:59.000 I'm trying to like... 1.00
02:38:59.000 American whiskey! 1.00
02:39:01.000 Still Austin!
02:39:02.000 Right here, baby.
02:39:03.000 But I'm like, okay, water, whiskey, water, whiskey. 1.00
02:39:05.000 Yeah, fuck all this nonsense. 1.00
02:39:07.000 You're drinking paint thinner. 1.00
02:39:09.000 I mean, more than one thing can be good.
02:39:11.000 This is good if the apocalypse happens, because I think you could use it as gas.
02:39:15.000 Okay, well, great.
02:39:15.000 The apocalypse is coming, so you're welcome for your gift.
02:39:18.000 I don't even smell that bottle when I pushed it.
02:39:20.000 It wafted up into me.
02:39:21.000 I'll never drink that again.
02:39:23.000 That's fine.
02:39:24.000 Thank you for that gift.
02:39:25.000 Thank you very much.
02:39:26.000 Very kind of me.
02:39:26.000 You're welcome.
02:39:28.000 Okay, so, like, nobody, like, people, these people won't debate me.
02:39:33.000 Like, people have tried to set up debates between me, like, the monk debates.
02:39:38.000 Who would be the person to debate on the other side?
02:39:40.000 And nobody will do it.
02:39:41.000 Who would be the person to debate you on the other side?
02:39:43.000 Well, it could...
02:39:43.000 I mean, anybody who advocates gender identity ideology, right?
02:39:48.000 Like, anybody who thinks that the concept of changing sex is legitimate, anyone really who thinks the concept of, like, you know, a transgender in general, I would be interested in debating because I don't think that is a rational concept. 1.00
02:40:07.000 And nobody will do it.
02:40:09.000 And to me, that speaks...
02:40:12.000 Volumes about their position.
02:40:14.000 Because I would debate anybody.
02:40:16.000 You know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
02:40:19.000 I've been wrong lots of times before.
02:40:20.000 I've changed my mind about lots of things.
02:40:23.000 I don't find it embarrassing.
02:40:24.000 I don't, you know, like I'm happy to change my mind.
02:40:27.000 If I change my mind, I'm like, right, I learned something new.
02:40:30.000 Other people don't like it when I change my mind.
02:40:32.000 Yeah, that's okay.
02:40:34.000 You're like, we thought you were our...
02:40:37.000 Keep saying the same thing over and over and over again because otherwise we're going to have to rethink what we're saying over and over and over again.
02:40:42.000 She's a flip-flopper. 1.00
02:40:43.000 Yeah.
02:40:43.000 Well, you can't be married to your ideas.
02:40:46.000 You just can't because then you will be literally attached to the first ideas you've ever had.
02:40:51.000 The whole idea about being a human being is you learn and you grow and you see things from different perspectives.
02:40:57.000 It's one of the most incredibly beneficial things that I've gotten out of this podcast, is that I get to talk to so many different people.
02:41:03.000 Totally.
02:41:04.000 With so many different backgrounds, so many different perspectives, and it's informed me and changed my perspective on things, and it's made me a much more nuanced thinker, because I get to see things from other people's eyes.
02:41:18.000 I get to listen to their arguments.
02:41:20.000 I get to hear their impassioned pleas and go, Oh, that makes sense.
02:41:25.000 Okay, I see why you say that.
02:41:27.000 Okay, I didn't think about it that way.
02:41:29.000 I love that.
02:41:30.000 I love when someone says something, I go, oh, okay.
02:41:34.000 All right.
02:41:35.000 I mean, it's an ego battle, right?
02:41:37.000 Because you don't want to be wrong.
02:41:39.000 But you got to know when the idea that you were attached to is a bad idea.
02:41:45.000 Don't be married to them.
02:41:47.000 You're not your ideas.
02:41:49.000 You're a thinking organism.
02:41:51.000 And when ideas come across you, they should be carefully examined.
02:41:55.000 And any of them that are forcing you to adopt them without any scrutiny, those are dangerous. 0.67
02:42:02.000 These dogmatic positions that you see where people rigidly adhere to ideologies, it's one of the reasons why free speech is so fucking important.
02:42:10.000 Because those things are how you lead to dictatorship.
02:42:13.000 Those things are how you lead to communism.
02:42:15.000 Those things are how you lead to A literal inability to debate, discuss, and examine things.
02:42:22.000 Because some things cannot be discussed.
02:42:24.000 The thing that cannot be said.
02:42:26.000 The ideas that cannot be examined. 1.00
02:42:28.000 Those are bullshit. 1.00
02:42:30.000 It's terrible. 1.00
02:42:31.000 When you can't count yourself as an intelligent person or a critical thinker if you won't do that.
02:42:37.000 If you won't challenge your own ideas or let your ideas be challenged.
02:42:40.000 And your idea is not valid.
02:42:43.000 If you're not going to challenge your own ideas and if you're not going to allow others to challenge your ideas, then your idea is not valid.
02:42:51.000 It has to be put to the test, essentially.
02:42:54.000 And it's incredible to me how few people understand that and think that What strength is, is to just stick doggedly to the thing that you've always said.
02:43:07.000 You've been saying the same thing for 20 years.
02:43:10.000 Hopefully, you've changed your mind about things since you were 20 years old and now you're 40. I mean, that's what growth and wisdom is.
02:43:19.000 I mean, how sad and pathetic if you still believe all the same things you did in your 20s. 0.85
02:43:24.000 But they see it as a form of weakness, I guess. 0.84
02:43:30.000 Again, I know that I'm being repetitive, but I came from that place where I did post hyperbolic statements on Twitter and I was kind of black and white in my thinking in terms of certain issues. 0.83
02:43:47.000 And I did think that people who saw things differently were bad or dumb or whatever.
02:43:54.000 And, you know, having nuanced conversations is so much harder and for whatever reason so much more controversial and you get attacked so much more.
02:44:02.000 I get, I mean you do of course too, but like I get attacked for having conversations with people even if I don't agree with them.
02:44:09.000 Right.
02:44:10.000 Just because I'm having the conversation with them.
02:44:12.000 Yeah, but you platform them.
02:44:13.000 Yeah. 0.78
02:44:14.000 And people assume that I agree with them because I'm having the conversation with them and I'm not being mean to them or I'm not like, you're a terrible person.
02:44:20.000 I'm like, but they're not a terrible person.
02:44:22.000 We just have different ideas.
02:44:23.000 The Ben Shapiro example is a good one.
02:44:25.000 Ben's a friend of mine.
02:44:26.000 I like him a lot.
02:44:27.000 I disagree with him on many, many, many things.
02:44:30.000 But I like him.
02:44:31.000 I think he's a very friendly guy.
02:44:32.000 He's a very nice guy.
02:44:35.000 I like talking to him.
02:44:36.000 I really like him too.
02:44:37.000 And he's super smart.
02:44:38.000 Yeah, of course I don't agree with him on all things.
02:44:41.000 We're very different people.
02:44:42.000 But I think he's super smart.
02:44:44.000 I think he's super ethical.
02:44:45.000 He's legit.
02:44:46.000 I have so much more respect for somebody who is honest and authentic and rational versus somebody who's going to doggedly stick to ideology no matter what.
02:44:57.000 Even if they don't believe it.
02:44:58.000 Even if they're proven wrong.
02:45:00.000 Even if it doesn't make sense.
02:45:01.000 It's not a coherent argument.
02:45:04.000 You know...
02:45:05.000 I don't want that.
02:45:06.000 I'm not interested in that.
02:45:07.000 I'm interested in truth.
02:45:08.000 I'm interested in authenticity.
02:45:10.000 And if that makes me, which is what everybody else says, that makes me like right wing or like a ball palmer.
02:45:19.000 Or a simp.
02:45:20.000 So be it. 0.80
02:45:20.000 Are you a female simp? 0.80
02:45:21.000 A whore-phobe. 1.00
02:45:22.000 A whore-phobe. 1.00
02:45:24.000 That's my favorite. 1.00
02:45:25.000 I learned two new terms today because of you.
02:45:28.000 Ball Palmer and Horphobe.
02:45:30.000 And we've been introduced to Razia.
02:45:31.000 Yes, I've learned a lot.
02:45:34.000 Alright, one more time, Jamie, put up her show, The Same Drugs. 1.00
02:45:39.000 Thank you.
02:45:39.000 Who'd do the artwork for you?
02:45:41.000 I like that.
02:45:41.000 My friend Carrie.
02:45:42.000 Carrie did a good job. 1.00
02:45:43.000 Thanks, Carrie.
02:45:44.000 The same drugs with Megan Murphy.
02:45:46.000 Is this on iTunes and Spotify?
02:45:50.000 Yeah, yeah, it's on all that.
02:45:51.000 Everything, all that stuff.
02:45:52.000 And you're on Instagram.
02:45:54.000 What's your Instagram?
02:45:56.000 MeganEmilyMurphy.
02:45:57.000 And Facebook, same.
02:45:58.000 And Facebook. 1.00
02:45:59.000 Same shit. 1.00
02:45:59.000 Not on Twitter. 1.00
02:46:01.000 Not on Twitter.
02:46:03.000 Come on, Twitter. 1.00
02:46:03.000 Fuck you! 1.00
02:46:04.000 Let me back! 1.00
02:46:04.000 Come on, Twitter. 1.00
02:46:05.000 Let her back. 0.96
02:46:06.000 Let me back.
02:46:06.000 Everyone wants me back.
02:46:08.000 I think now it's just like a contest of like, they're just being stubborn.
02:46:11.000 They're like, nah.
02:46:12.000 But the concept of like, no forgiveness, no redemption ever. 0.98
02:46:17.000 It's like, God damn it. 0.97
02:46:18.000 Really? 0.99
02:46:19.000 For saying a woman or a man is not a woman?
02:46:22.000 Admit you made a mistake. 1.00
02:46:22.000 Admit this was a stupid decision. 1.00
02:46:24.000 You made a mistake. 1.00
02:46:24.000 Come on, Jack. 1.00
02:46:24.000 Get your shit together. 1.00
02:46:25.000 Jack. 1.00
02:46:28.000 Honestly, I think they're managing at scale.
02:46:30.000 That's what I think it is. 0.99
02:46:31.000 I think there's too many fucking people on that. 0.99
02:46:32.000 And it's impossible. 0.99
02:46:33.000 And the people that are pulling the banhammers, there's so many of them.
02:46:37.000 There are so many people working over there that are doing that.
02:46:40.000 The idea that there's one person who reviews thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of human beings that are stepping outside the lines.
02:46:47.000 Yeah, those quick decisions.
02:46:48.000 Like, bad, good, bad, good.
02:46:50.000 Right, wrong, right, wrong.
02:46:51.000 Ban forever.
02:46:52.000 He promotes steak.
02:46:54.000 Ban him. 0.82
02:46:56.000 Megan, I enjoyed our conversation.
02:46:58.000 I appreciate you very much.
02:46:59.000 Thank you so much.
02:47:00.000 Let's do it again.
02:47:00.000 Totally, I would love to.
02:47:01.000 Thank you.
02:47:03.000 Bye, everybody.
02:47:04.000 Bye.