The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1711 - Patrick Bet-David

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00:00:12.000 Hello, Patrick.

00:00:13.000 How you doing?

00:00:14.000 Very good.

00:00:15.000 Very nice to meet you.

00:00:16.000 I watch it all the time.

00:00:16.000 I enjoy your program.

00:00:17.000 I watch it all the time on YouTube.

00:00:19.000 Really?

00:00:19.000 Yeah, yeah, very good.

00:00:20.000 Very good at interviewing people.

00:00:21.000 I really enjoy your questions, the way you handle your interviews.

00:00:26.000 So I looked at a lot of your stuff and I was like, I want to talk to this guy.

00:00:29.000 Very cool.

00:00:30.000 I've been following you for a while and I listen to everything you talk about pretty much.

00:00:33.000 So I was telling you earlier how necessary you are.

00:00:35.000 You're pissing a lot of the right people off today, which is good.

00:00:38.000 I'm not trying.

00:00:39.000 I'm not trying to piss anybody off.

00:00:41.000 Just being me.

00:00:42.000 We're glad you are.

00:00:43.000 I know you're just being yourself, but we're glad you are.

00:00:45.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:00:46.000 I'm glad you were out there, too.

00:00:48.000 The world needs strong voices, you know?

00:00:50.000 People who have character and discipline and people who have carved their way through this life.

00:00:56.000 It's important.

00:00:57.000 It's an important thing for young people in particular to see coming up that you can be a person of character and discipline and you can get far in this business with drive and you can get far in life with drive in all businesses, really.

00:01:09.000 Do you think people can miss that?

00:01:10.000 Like, do you think people can...

00:01:12.000 Maybe that was valued 50 years ago, but not today because they're confused today?

00:01:16.000 You think that can happen?

00:01:17.000 I think people are still the same.

00:01:20.000 There's still the same characteristics that make up a human being still exist, but there's pathways for excuses that exist today that didn't exist before.

00:01:30.000 There's pathways for victimhood. 0.97

00:01:33.000 You can have—there's credit in victimhood, social credit in, you know, well, I didn't get a break, or I didn't get this, or these rich people have that, or these successful people have all the breaks.

00:01:45.000 And there's a lot of clout in actually being a person who has been either denied or— Pathways are unavailable to them, so they get to bitch about it and complain about it. 1.00

00:01:59.000 There's a sense of, instead of dealing with the hand that you've gotten and trying to move forward in a positive way and trying to do your best with what you got, because everybody has a different starting point in life.

00:02:12.000 Life is not fair in terms of- No question.

00:02:15.000 But some people look at what they got, and they go, okay, this is what we got.

00:02:19.000 Let's figure out how we move forward. 1.00

00:02:21.000 And other people go, well, other people have this, and I don't, and other people have that, and fuck them. 0.99

00:02:27.000 We need to tax them, and we need to do this. 1.00

00:02:29.000 There shouldn't be any billionaires.

00:02:31.000 There shouldn't be any rich people.

00:02:33.000 You can live off of $50,000 a year, and then all that money would feed everyone and house everyone in the world.

00:02:40.000 But they don't understand motivation.

00:02:41.000 They don't understand...

00:02:42.000 Like, there's this idea of equal outcome.

00:02:46.000 Like, everyone should have an equal outcome.

00:02:48.000 But there's not an idea of equal effort.

00:02:50.000 Like, equal effort is not a real thing.

00:02:53.000 Hasn't that been proven that doesn't work, though?

00:02:55.000 Like, that's been proven, experienced multiple places, and we know it doesn't work.

00:03:00.000 But it's still something that's being taught in universities.

00:03:04.000 It's Marxism and, like...

00:03:07.000 That kind of leftist thinking is very common in universities, and the idea is that it hasn't been done right.

00:03:14.000 And what you could say that would argue for that is like, well, democracy, you know, I mean, obviously the Greeks had democracy and the Romans had democracy, but it eventually fell and turned into a dictatorship, right?

00:03:29.000 America was the first legitimate democracy that actually succeeded and still exists currently, right?

00:03:37.000 We were the first that, like, sort of got it right.

00:03:40.000 Maybe this could be the first socialist government that works.

00:03:45.000 Led by that noble leader.

00:03:47.000 Yes, yes.

00:03:48.000 AOC or whoever it is. 0.72

00:03:49.000 She would be wonderful, by the way.

00:03:50.000 Who knows?

00:03:51.000 Here's a question for you.

00:03:52.000 I'm curious to know what you say to this.

00:03:53.000 What are the chances that she'll be president one day? 1.00

00:03:55.000 Very good.

00:03:56.000 I agree.

00:03:56.000 Very high.

00:03:57.000 Very high.

00:03:57.000 What's high?

00:03:57.000 20%?

00:03:58.000 Yes.

00:03:59.000 At least.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, at least 20%.

00:04:01.000 She's very charismatic, very intelligent.

00:04:03.000 People love her.

00:04:03.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 She's got like, what, 12, 13 million followers on Twitter?

00:04:08.000 Something like that.

00:04:09.000 And you figure in the next 10 years, that's probably going to be at 100 million, 150, 200 million.

00:04:13.000 Yeah.

00:04:13.000 And that mindset's gonna be bought by the younger generation, and gradually we get to a point where somebody's gonna elect her.

00:04:20.000 And if an AOC gets elected, then what happens to us?

00:04:23.000 We'll find out.

00:04:24.000 Would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

00:04:25.000 Because we would actually be able to say, maybe 80% taxes are not good.

00:04:29.000 Well, I don't think it would ever get to be 80% taxes, because the people that would get her into the position to be... 1.00

00:04:36.000 You're seeing compromises already, right?

00:04:39.000 You're seeing compromises.

00:04:40.000 If you're a person that pays attention to politics, you already see that she's sort of compromising her opposition to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the people that are at the head of the party.

00:04:50.000 They've already sort of started...

00:04:52.000 Corrupting and making deals, like this hard-line leftism is tempered by this need to be a part of this very powerful political party.

00:05:02.000 And that's kind of what happens, it seems, to every politician once they get into office.

00:05:06.000 That's what happened to Obama, right?

00:05:08.000 Obama was the guy that we all thought was going to change the world.

00:05:11.000 Like, here you have this guy.

00:05:12.000 He is the son of a single mother.

00:05:14.000 He comes from very humble beginnings.

00:05:18.000 Relatable.

00:05:19.000 Likeable.

00:05:19.000 Very relatable.

00:05:20.000 Super likeable, super intelligent, very articulate, and he has all this hope and change website.

00:05:26.000 And in the website, speaks very specifically about empowering whistleblowers, right?

00:05:32.000 Helping whistleblowers.

00:05:34.000 Meanwhile, when he gets into office, one of the worst administrations ever at punishing whistleblowers.

00:05:41.000 I mean, and then deletes that from the internet.

00:05:44.000 What caused that though?

00:05:44.000 I think it's compromised once you get in there and you realize, first of all, all these ideals that you have, if you really did have those ideals, if those were real and they were not just political talking points that allowed people to love him, if you really did have those ideals, once you get in there and you find out, Mr. President,

00:06:00.000 have a seat. 0.98

00:06:01.000 We're going to tell you how fucked the world really is. 0.99

00:06:03.000 And they read to you all the things that are going on in the world, all the different operations that are currently Being underway. 0.99

00:06:11.000 You get to see all the threats from around the globe.

00:06:13.000 What do you think changes people more?

00:06:16.000 You think it's more a guy who grows up with, let's just say, not money, but he's popular and he likes power and then eventually he has certain values and principles he lives by.

00:06:30.000 Then a guy with money comes and tries to buy him.

00:06:33.000 He's willing to flip.

00:06:34.000 Or a person who's left alone, they go make their money, and they make their independent money.

00:06:39.000 They're millionaires, decamillionaires, whatever, billionaires.

00:06:41.000 And then later on, a person comes in and says, I'm going to give you the most powerful position out there, but I want you to change your way of thinking.

00:06:48.000 Which one do you think is more likely to change?

00:06:51.000 I don't know if that makes sense or not.

00:06:52.000 So for example, think about Ronald Reagan.

00:06:54.000 Ronald Reagan or John F. Kennedy or a Lincoln, let's just say, or a Trump, right?

00:07:00.000 One thing those, say, the three have in common, I don't know about Lincoln, but the three have in common, Reagan, John F. Kennedy, and Trump.

00:07:07.000 They all had money.

00:07:08.000 It's not like they were struggling with women or money, right?

00:07:10.000 Reagan, you know, Mary Jane Wyman, John F. Kennedy, I think at the end of the day was with, what, three or four women in his lifetime, whatever the number is.

00:07:18.000 He's been around.

00:07:19.000 He's had his fun.

00:07:19.000 His father set the example.

00:07:21.000 He had a great time.

00:07:22.000 So to him, what party has he not been invited to?

00:07:25.000 Or Trump, he did what he did.

00:07:27.000 Then he gets into a position of power.

00:07:29.000 Then the real power people behind closed doors, let's just say you and I don't know about, the quiet power people.

00:07:34.000 They come in and say, Reagan, Trump, Kennedy, I want you to change the way of thinking.

00:07:40.000 Don't push Federal Reserve too much.

00:07:42.000 Don't push gold standard too much.

00:07:45.000 Let's change.

00:07:46.000 Who's more tempted to change?

00:07:48.000 The power people or the money people?

00:07:50.000 I think it's...

00:07:51.000 You know what I'm asking.

00:07:52.000 I do know what you're asking, but I don't think it's that clean.

00:07:56.000 I don't think there's specific categories for human beings.

00:08:01.000 I think the variables are much more extreme.

00:08:03.000 I think the spectrum is very broad.

00:08:05.000 And a guy like JFK clearly had...

00:08:09.000 Some very strong opinions about positive changes that he could make to this country.

00:08:15.000 Very dangerous opinions.

00:08:17.000 Like he wanted to get rid of the CIA. He wanted to get rid of the NSA. He wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve.

00:08:22.000 There's a lot of things that JFK wanted to do that were very, very dangerous to the powers that be.

00:08:27.000 What you would call, you know, the deep state.

00:08:30.000 You know, every year, or every four years rather, there's a new president, or at least we elect a new president.

00:08:36.000 Or they have a chance to, you know, have a second term.

00:08:39.000 The people that are in power at the CIA, the FBI, they're in power for a long time.

00:08:46.000 That's a long time of running.

00:08:49.000 Long time of running things.

00:08:50.000 Do we know who those guys are?

00:08:51.000 Do we kind of have an idea who those guys are?

00:08:53.000 I don't want to know.

00:08:54.000 Really?

00:08:54.000 It's like Baltimore.

00:08:55.000 You want to say the name?

00:08:57.000 Don't say Voldemort.

00:08:58.000 Don't say it.

00:08:59.000 I don't know, man.

00:09:00.000 I think you need intelligence agencies.

00:09:03.000 I think it's a controversial opinion, too.

00:09:05.000 I think you need people around the world that are monitoring terrorist cells, that are paying attention to rogue states, that are paying attention to dangerous places like China.

00:09:17.000 You need information.

00:09:20.000 You need intelligence agencies.

00:09:21.000 I'm not an anti-intelligence agency person.

00:09:23.000 I think people that are naive.

00:09:26.000 I have friends that have worked for the CIA and I've had long conversations with them about what it's like in private. 1.00

00:09:34.000 There's dark shit in the world. 0.95

00:09:36.000 There's some terrible places in this world and you gotta pay attention to all that and you have to have contingency plans and you have to have preparation. 0.99

00:09:44.000 It's not my world, right?

00:09:46.000 That's their world.

00:09:47.000 I know there's a need for those people.

00:09:50.000 I talked to the former chief disguise officer.

00:09:53.000 She's the one that makes all the... 0.71

00:09:55.000 Jonah Mendes.

00:09:56.000 Disguise officer?

00:09:56.000 Disguise officer.

00:09:57.000 Really?

00:09:58.000 She goes and her job is to make your face identical to you. 1.00

00:09:58.000 Literally. 1.00

00:10:03.000 She puts it on, comes up to you, says, oh my gosh, you look just like me.

00:10:06.000 So she did this to President Bush, the first one.

00:10:06.000 That good?

00:10:09.000 And she puts on the mask, goes up to him.

00:10:12.000 He cannot believe.

00:10:13.000 He thinks it's a human being looking just like him.

00:10:15.000 And then she takes off the mask.

00:10:16.000 She's the chief disguise officer.

00:10:18.000 President Bush W? No, the senior.

00:10:20.000 Really?

00:10:21.000 They were that good back then?

00:10:22.000 They were that good back then.

00:10:23.000 And there's a picture of it, actually.

00:10:24.000 If you pull it up, you'll see her holding it up.

00:10:28.000 Find that.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, if you put chief disguise officer Jonah Mendes, President Bush.

00:10:32.000 Yeah, that right there.

00:10:33.000 She's holding the mask.

00:10:35.000 Yeah, masks of the lady, and she's showing it. 0.91

00:10:37.000 So they were able to make masks of anybody else.

00:10:39.000 And one day, her and I are interviewing.

00:10:41.000 I'm interviewing in D.C., and I said, what makes a good CIA agent?

00:10:45.000 And I'll never forget what she said.

00:10:47.000 She said the craziest thing. 0.79

00:10:48.000 She says, look...

00:10:49.000 I said, do you want the guy to be charming, charismatic?

00:10:53.000 What do you want it to be?

00:10:54.000 She says, we want him to be charming, charismatic, attractive, sense of humor, all of that.

00:11:00.000 The only thing we don't want him to have is the following.

00:11:02.000 If they end up saving the free world of another war, they don't need to brag about it to nobody else.

00:11:09.000 Pretty crazy. 0.96

00:11:10.000 Just keep your mouth shut. 0.99

00:11:11.000 And it's hard to find people like this. 0.99

00:11:11.000 Just keep your mouth shut. 0.99

00:11:13.000 It kind of goes back to what you're saying.

00:11:15.000 And then I followed up and I asked a question.

00:11:16.000 I said...

00:11:18.000 I don't know if I'm comfortable with a president, because typically anybody that becomes a president, what do they have in common?

00:11:24.000 You have to be super competitive, right?

00:11:27.000 You have to be a true believer in something, set of values, whatever those may be.

00:11:32.000 And you have to be somebody that's a good salesman.

00:11:34.000 I mean, if you don't know how to sell, you're not going to be a president.

00:11:36.000 We've only had 46 of them.

00:11:37.000 45 of them were great salespeople, if you think about it, right?

00:11:40.000 Okay.

00:11:41.000 So you become a president, and then when you become a president, it's like, oh, hey, you're president.

00:11:47.000 Guess what?

00:11:47.000 Let us show you Area 51. Let us show you all this stuff.

00:11:47.000 What?

00:11:50.000 Let us show you...

00:11:51.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:11:52.000 He goes home at night, sleeps, and says, babe, I saw an alien today, babe.

00:11:56.000 Like, would you want the president to get access to every single thing that ever happened in the history of America the last...

00:12:03.000 However many years?

00:12:04.000 I don't know about that.

00:12:05.000 It's a good question because they're elected by essentially, it's a personality contest.

00:12:11.000 Whose personality do you like the most?

00:12:13.000 The quote, who do you want to have a beer with?

00:12:16.000 That's what it's always about.

00:12:17.000 If you're going to have a popularity contest every four years, How much can you tell that person?

00:12:24.000 I would imagine it would take a long time to get the trust of the people that are in the highest of high positions, the people in the smoky rooms that Bill Hicks talked about.

00:12:34.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:12:35.000 I don't know if you should tell Trump where the fucking aliens are. 1.00

00:12:38.000 I don't think so. 0.99

00:12:38.000 I feel like he would tell everybody. 0.99

00:12:40.000 I would tell everybody.

00:12:41.000 I tell you what, I would tell everybody.

00:12:43.000 He would host a dinner, half a million dollars, tonight I'm revealing the first alien.

00:12:46.000 I'm going to take that back, because if someone really did take me there and said, I'll show you but you can't tell anybody, I think I'd keep my mouth shut.

00:12:53.000 This is why.

00:12:53.000 You know why?

00:12:54.000 Because if I don't keep my mouth shut, I don't get to see it.

00:13:00.000 And the world stays exactly the same.

00:13:01.000 But how do we know that though?

00:13:02.000 The world stays exactly the same.

00:13:04.000 But if I do, at least I know.

00:13:07.000 At least I know and I can operate as I know.

00:13:11.000 So I might not be able to tell people But at least I can operate from the position that I know for a fact there is life somewhere else, whether it's from another dimension, whether it's from another galaxy.

00:13:23.000 Well, that's personal.

00:13:23.000 Right.

00:13:24.000 But the risk is the others don't know.

00:13:26.000 Yes.

00:13:27.000 Whether you're going to go home and, you know, tell your wife or your best friend or your family.

00:13:30.000 They're going to watch everything you do for the rest of your life.

00:13:32.000 That's the point.

00:13:33.000 But they're already doing that.

00:13:34.000 Yeah.

00:13:34.000 But at this point of the game, do you really want everybody to know everything?

00:13:38.000 By the way, even the one, you know, only president has the ability to press the button I mean, you know, there's got to be a couple...

00:13:38.000 I don't know.

00:13:47.000 You saw what happened with Millie recently.

00:13:48.000 Yeah, he was saying that he was worried that...

00:13:50.000 Well, I think technically...

00:13:54.000 Is that treason?

00:13:56.000 What is treasonous?

00:13:57.000 If you're contacting a general of an opposing army and you're saying, I'm worried that our leader might do something, so I'm going to consult with you rather than consult with him.

00:14:09.000 I think what you're kind of saying is you don't respect the commander-in-chief of the army.

00:14:15.000 I mean, it depends.

00:14:17.000 I don't know Trump.

00:14:19.000 I met him once.

00:14:20.000 He has normal sized hands, by the way.

00:14:21.000 Really?

00:14:21.000 Yeah.

00:14:22.000 So that conspiracy is out.

00:14:22.000 Okay.

00:14:22.000 They're normal.

00:14:24.000 Oh my gosh. 0.98

00:14:24.000 Horseshit. 0.98

00:14:25.000 I have pretty big hands. 0.97

00:14:26.000 I shook his hand.

00:14:26.000 They were normal hands.

00:14:27.000 You do have pretty big hands.

00:14:27.000 I gotta tell you.

00:14:28.000 Good.

00:14:28.000 They were very normal.

00:14:29.000 I was like, how you doing?

00:14:30.000 Well, shout out to Trump's hands.

00:14:33.000 I was doing the UFC and he came over and touched my shoulder. 1.00

00:14:37.000 I looked up and it's fucking Trump. 0.99

00:14:38.000 I'm like, hey, how are you? 0.99

00:14:39.000 What's going on?

00:14:40.000 Have you ever invited him or no?

00:14:41.000 No.

00:14:42.000 You wouldn't want to do it?

00:14:43.000 That's a little heavy.

00:14:45.000 That's a little heavy.

00:14:45.000 Really?

00:14:46.000 That comes with a lot.

00:14:47.000 There was an opportunity during the election and I was like, I'm not getting involved.

00:14:52.000 To have him on?

00:14:53.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 I'm not helping.

00:14:55.000 I'm not helping anybody.

00:14:56.000 I didn't like either choice, to be honest with you.

00:14:58.000 Wow.

00:14:58.000 I didn't like either choice.

00:14:59.000 I voted for Joe Jorgensen, who was the Libertarian candidate.

00:15:03.000 Just between us, she's not a great marketer.

00:15:05.000 I didn't think she was going to win.

00:15:07.000 I didn't think she was going to win.

00:15:07.000 So your vote was just like, look, it's more like a values vote.

00:15:10.000 This is what I'm standing for.

00:15:12.000 The Biden thing was nonsense. 0.76

00:15:14.000 We all knew it was nonsense.

00:15:15.000 What's happening now is exactly what I thought was going to happen.

00:15:18.000 And this is what I said.

00:15:19.000 I said, leading up to this, I said, He's compromised. 0.99

00:15:23.000 He's got mental issues.

00:15:25.000 I mean, we know that he had two aneurysms before. 0.79

00:15:28.000 He had massive brain surgery, like very, very dangerous brain surgery.

00:15:33.000 He's old, 78 years old, and he's not doing well.

00:15:38.000 They have control of him.

00:15:39.000 They tell him questions to answer.

00:15:41.000 He's been pretty open about it, unfortunately.

00:15:43.000 81 million people disagree with you.

00:15:44.000 He was the most popular president of all time.

00:15:46.000 You have to realize, bigger than Kennedy, bigger than Reagan.

00:15:49.000 Reagan won 49 out of 50 states.

00:15:51.000 I think 81 million people didn't want Trump to be president anymore.

00:15:54.000 I think that's what it was.

00:15:55.000 You think that's what it was?

00:15:56.000 So they're voting against.

00:15:57.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people would have won if they were in that position.

00:16:01.000 I don't think it was Joe Biden that won.

00:16:03.000 I think Tulsi Gabbard would have probably won, I think.

00:16:06.000 Against him.

00:16:07.000 Bernie Sanders would have been a tough sell because so many people equate him with communism.

00:16:11.000 You know, even though he's a, what he would call a democratic socialist and his plan to implement taxes.

00:16:17.000 It's really, what his big plan was, was a very small percentage of trades, like, you know, these speculations that stock market, stock brokers do.

00:16:30.000 This very small percentage, less than a penny per trade, and that it was all gonna, you know, Equate to a large amount of money.

00:16:39.000 I don't know if that's... 0.98

00:16:40.000 You would be the guy that I would talk to about whether or not any of that shit makes any sense at all. 0.99

00:16:44.000 But he would have had a hard time winning, I think. 0.98

00:16:47.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party didn't want him to be the candidate.

00:16:51.000 That's why they sabotaged him in 2016. Two times.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, twice.

00:16:55.000 And he had a...

00:16:56.000 By the way, I think he...

00:16:58.000 Whether you like Bernie or not, I agree with his philosophies.

00:17:01.000 I don't agree with his philosophies.

00:17:03.000 But if there is a person that I believe...

00:17:06.000 That believes in what he's talking about, for the last 50 years that's been consistent, it's gotta be Bernie.

00:17:12.000 Doesn't mean you have to agree with the guy, but you gotta respect the guy that's aligned with his values and principles.

00:17:17.000 So he's not flip-flopping trying to convince Detroit, then goes to Chicago, then goes to this audience.

00:17:23.000 But Tulsi, when Tulsi called out Hillary, that was just a beautiful thing.

00:17:27.000 Amazing.

00:17:28.000 Unbelievable.

00:17:29.000 I thought she would have had a little bit more momentum, but who is going to back her up?

00:17:34.000 I mean, you've got to realize, at this point of the game, who is the ideal candidate for the left?

00:17:39.000 She would be ideal, but they can't control her, and they don't want to have anything to do with her.

00:17:43.000 She's too dangerous. 1.00

00:17:45.000 Well, she also has so many positive qualities.

00:17:48.000 That's what's crazy.

00:17:49.000 Like, if you really are just looking for someone who's a great candidate, who on paper is better than her?

00:17:54.000 She's a veteran.

00:17:56.000 She's deployed overseas on two separate occasions, worked with a medical unit.

00:18:00.000 She's a congresswoman for eight years. 1.00

00:18:03.000 I mean, she's got impeccable character.

00:18:07.000 She's a great spokeswoman.

00:18:09.000 You couldn't get any better.

00:18:10.000 She's a person of color.

00:18:11.000 You couldn't get any better.

00:18:13.000 Great communicator.

00:18:13.000 I love the way she communicates her message.

00:18:16.000 She's got fantastic skills just as a politician. 1.00

00:18:23.000 She's got great character.

00:18:25.000 She's got everything that you would want.

00:18:26.000 Joe, what's the biggest difference between DeSantis and Trump?

00:18:30.000 Well, DeSantis is bombastic.

00:18:33.000 He's not attacking people and insulting people, so he's not as polarizing.

00:18:38.000 When he says things, if you notice his tone, it never goes too high and it never goes low.

00:18:45.000 It's very steady.

00:18:47.000 And short answer, like to the point, uses a diffuse amount of words.

00:18:51.000 Yes, yeah.

00:18:53.000 They try to make him like a...

00:18:55.000 If Trump didn't exist, DeSantis would be a massive star.

00:18:59.000 If he didn't exist, you know?

00:19:01.000 If there wasn't this automatic...

00:19:05.000 This rejection of anything that's on the right that's strong and that has these views that are in opposition of a lot of what's going on right now in this country in terms of giving away power to the state.

00:19:24.000 Which is, for some strange reason, the left in this country over the last year and a half, two years during the pandemic, has decided that they trust the state and they're willing to give up power to the state and willing to give up power to pharmaceutical companies and allow things to happen that they would have never allowed to happen in the past.

00:19:45.000 I think a lot of that is because of this opposition to Trump.

00:19:49.000 And their opposition to Trump, I think, made them crazy.

00:19:53.000 It made the polarization of this country so much more extreme than we've ever seen it before.

00:20:00.000 The division is so much more extreme.

00:20:02.000 You did say if you had a choice between Trump and Biden, you would have chosen Trump, I think.

00:20:07.000 Well, this is what I said.

00:20:08.000 I said I wasn't going to pick either one of them, but I would pick Trump before I would pick Biden.

00:20:12.000 Because age.

00:20:13.000 But not just age. 0.98

00:20:14.000 I thought, I think the whole thing was horseshit. 0.99

00:20:18.000 He wouldn't talk. 0.99

00:20:21.000 He wasn't having these.

00:20:24.000 And when he did talk, did you see that time where he got into an argument with the United Auto Worker about guns?

00:20:29.000 Did you see that?

00:20:31.000 Just his temper and demeanor.

00:20:33.000 I don't like that.

00:20:35.000 I don't want to see that in a leader.

00:20:37.000 Yeah.

00:20:37.000 I don't want to see that kind of nonsense talk.

00:20:39.000 And then when he would give these speeches, like, you know, talking about corn pop and how he's got hairy legs, and you're like, what the fuck is he doing? 0.99

00:20:46.000 Oh, I mean, that was just, I thought it was done after that, hairy inside my inner thighs. 0.98

00:20:50.000 I've never heard that before. 0.99

00:20:51.000 It's the craziest fucking speech ever. 1.00

00:20:52.000 I thought it was like comedy for a second. 1.00

00:20:52.000 I've never heard that before. 1.00

00:20:54.000 And he's up there and there's a bunch of kids behind him talking, not paying attention to him.

00:20:58.000 Like, it's chaos.

00:20:59.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 But if you go back to, what was the guy's name from, what is it, from Vermont?

00:21:04.000 The guy who screamed out and his campaign ended.

00:21:07.000 What's his name again?

00:21:08.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:21:10.000 Yeah, you do, right?

00:21:11.000 The Democratic guy, he was like, and then we're going to win this, we're going to go all the way to the White House!

00:21:16.000 But he was yelling while the audience was yelling.

00:21:20.000 They isolated his mic.

00:21:21.000 Howard Dean, thank you.

00:21:22.000 They isolated his mic and that was it.

00:21:24.000 Howard Dean was done.

00:21:25.000 One yell. 1.00

00:21:26.000 One fucking yell. 1.00

00:21:28.000 Biden's talking about his hairy legs and kids rubbing his legs and this guy Corn Pop has got a rusty knife. 1.00

00:21:34.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying? 1.00

00:21:35.000 It's great how the media reacted to it. 1.00

00:21:37.000 What a great way of connecting with an audience, you know, with his inner hairy legs.

00:21:43.000 You know, just he's got such a great sense of humor.

00:21:45.000 I've never seen anybody tell comedy like that.

00:21:47.000 But going back to it.

00:21:49.000 On a serious note, if Trump was president today, talk about the Afghanistan situation, how we handled it.

00:21:55.000 Talk about what happened with the Taliban.

00:21:58.000 How different would things have been if he was still president?

00:22:01.000 It's a good question.

00:22:02.000 I don't know.

00:22:03.000 I mean, Trump wanted out of Afghanistan.

00:22:05.000 That is a very important point.

00:22:07.000 No question about that.

00:22:08.000 He never wanted to go in in the first place.

00:22:13.000 He's not interested in interventionalist foreign policy.

00:22:17.000 He doesn't want to invade these countries and be the police of the world.

00:22:20.000 And I think any way of pulling out of Afghanistan is going to be problematic, right?

00:22:28.000 We've been there for so long.

00:22:29.000 The Taliban wants control of Afghanistan.

00:22:31.000 Again, I think it would have been a problem, no matter what.

00:22:33.000 But I think universally, it's agreed that the way the Biden administration handled it was atrocious.

00:22:40.000 I don't know what the best way to handle it would be.

00:22:43.000 You would have to confer and consult with military experts.

00:22:47.000 You'd have to figure out some way to ensure that you can get everybody out.

00:22:53.000 You can't just pull out and then leave people in there stranded and leave people that assisted the military at the mercy of the Taliban.

00:23:03.000 They didn't just do that.

00:23:04.000 They left a list of who these people are.

00:23:07.000 They left all their data.

00:23:09.000 They could find these people, the people that aided the United States, even translators.

00:23:14.000 They're murdering them.

00:23:15.000 I mean, that's happening right now as we speak.

00:23:18.000 It's not good.

00:23:20.000 I don't know what the right way to handle it.

00:23:21.000 What do you think the right way to handle it?

00:23:22.000 I think the biggest thing is sequencing.

00:23:24.000 I think the real challenge was sequencing.

00:23:27.000 So, you know, game of chess, or if you play backgammon, or if you do anything, there's a certain sequence you go by, right?

00:23:32.000 Maybe, you know, the same five moves one can make, Move number five, they made one, which was supposed to be move number five, but they made it first.

00:23:43.000 So two people can do the same exact five things, but in different sequence, get different results.

00:23:49.000 So I just don't think the right sequence was used.

00:23:51.000 That's number one.

00:23:53.000 In regards to the threat, there's a big difference, Joe. 0.93

00:23:57.000 If you go to a bar and somebody says something to your family and you tell the guy, say one more thing to my family, I'm going to destroy you. 0.92

00:24:06.000 Okay?

00:24:06.000 And the guy's going to be like, Joe, I'm just kidding.

00:24:08.000 It was a joke, right?

00:24:09.000 You say that.

00:24:10.000 Then another guy says, I swear to God, if you say one more thing to my family, because I get the hell out of here.

00:24:15.000 I don't believe you.

00:24:16.000 I don't think they believe the threat today.

00:24:18.000 So to me, there's two different ways of giving threats.

00:24:21.000 So when America gives a threat to say, if you don't let one of our guys leave, I'm telling you, we're going to hurt you.

00:24:28.000 I don't think the Taliban believes it.

00:24:29.000 I think Taliban sitting there saying, yeah, We don't think you're going to do nothing.

00:24:33.000 So for me, I think this event, when I asked a question about Trump, what would have been different?

00:24:38.000 I don't know.

00:24:39.000 I think we would have probably still had some protesting going on because that protesting wouldn't have stopped.

00:24:43.000 I just don't know how different the Afghanistan would have been.

00:24:46.000 That's the biggest.

00:24:47.000 I think it would have been dramatic difference of Trump's handling versus Biden's handling.

00:24:51.000 Well, I definitely think that Trump would have been more likely to follow up on a threat, right?

00:24:57.000 But Biden did launch a drone strike in Kabul that wound up killing an innocent person, wound up killing someone who was delivering water to school children, and it killed this man, and it killed a bunch of kids.

00:25:11.000 And I say Biden did, it's not like Biden pushed the button, but he did give the orders. 0.99

00:25:17.000 The drone strike thing is A really scary part of military encounters because the amount of people that die that are innocent is off the fucking charts. 0.89

00:25:28.000 I mean, I believe during the Obama administration, it was in the high 80%. 0.88

00:25:33.000 And I think the drone strikes went up.

00:25:37.000 There was even more drone strikes during the Trump administration.

00:25:40.000 I mean, it's a scary way to do war.

00:25:43.000 Because it's not...

00:25:44.000 Imagine if there was a thing that we did where there was a bad guy in, say, a market.

00:25:52.000 And we walked in and just sprayed the market.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 You know, by remote control, it's sterilized in some strange way.

00:26:20.000 Rule of thumb about retaliation, no matter who the president is, if you retaliate to an enemy and you kill kids, moms, innocent people, even the side that voted for you doesn't side with you.

00:26:32.000 If you retaliate and you kill innocent people, the people that voted for you don't support you.

00:26:37.000 But it's not being talked about.

00:26:39.000 Well, this is really being swept under the rug.

00:26:41.000 Oh, it totally is.

00:26:41.000 It absolutely is.

00:26:43.000 It's strange how, and that's another thing that I think that came from the Trump administration, the opposition to Trump is so strong that the support of Biden is almost absolute.

00:26:53.000 Like, he has to do something unbelievably bad to get any criticism in the mainstream media, in the left-wing media.

00:27:01.000 I mean, in the left-wing media is most of the media.

00:27:04.000 The only media that's right-wing is Fox.

00:27:06.000 He's got to do something really, really atrocious.

00:27:08.000 And even then, the criticism is very mild, and they move on.

00:27:12.000 Yeah, so going back to Milley, I think you were talking about Milley and then you said Trump put his hand on you at one of the UFC fights.

00:27:17.000 I don't think I got your point.

00:27:19.000 What are your thoughts about the phone call Milley made?

00:27:21.000 You were talking about treason, right?

00:27:22.000 Is that treason?

00:27:24.000 I mean, I think it is.

00:27:25.000 I mean, who is US's number one enemy?

00:27:29.000 It's not Russia anymore.

00:27:30.000 I know they're trying to put it on Russia saying, oh, the number one enemy is Russia because they have the most nuclear.

00:27:35.000 Fine, that's fine.

00:27:36.000 I mean, that's the truth.

00:27:37.000 They do, second to most to us.

00:27:40.000 But to sit there and say, yeah, it's just a phone call, and you make it on, I don't know about that.

00:27:46.000 There's 50,000 people that you can call above the person you called, but you called.

00:27:51.000 That doesn't make any sense to make that phone call.

00:27:54.000 It doesn't matter who the president is.

00:27:55.000 So I don't know what's going to end up happening.

00:27:57.000 That's the biggest thing.

00:27:58.000 You know, the whole thing with law and order or justice.

00:28:01.000 I lived in Iran for 10 years, okay?

00:28:03.000 So when you look at, I had a guy on, Gordon Chang, who's a lawyer, and he lived in China for 20 years.

00:28:10.000 He's Chinese, and he says the biggest thing that changed with China was in 1984, China only had like two law schools.

00:28:15.000 This is what he said.

00:28:16.000 In 1984, they only had two law schools.

00:28:18.000 So it became more because you need law and order, right?

00:28:20.000 There needs to be certain law and order for people to feel like there's fair way of competing.

00:28:24.000 And then India didn't have that. 0.99

00:28:25.000 Now they're getting a little more law and order.

00:28:27.000 Capitalism works.

00:28:28.000 So capitalism without law and order does not work.

00:28:30.000 People can bully each other.

00:28:31.000 It goes back to competing a few hundred years ago.

00:28:34.000 But if we live in a country where people can get away with stuff and nothing happens, how do you trust law and order?

00:28:41.000 He's going to go to a congressional committee and speak in front of them.

00:28:44.000 What is that, a commercial?

00:28:45.000 Is that just a conversation?

00:28:47.000 Is there anything that's going to happen?

00:28:48.000 How many times do we have to see stuff happening like that?

00:28:51.000 But Alexander said a long time ago, I have met the enemy at his eye.

00:28:55.000 I think the only thing that's going to take this country down is not going to be external.

00:28:59.000 I think something's going to happen internal here where people like yourself were sitting out there talking to your team and one of your guys brought up Rumble or Bitchute.

00:28:59.000 It's going to be all internal.

00:29:10.000 He said, hey, this is a place they can upload content because what if...

00:29:14.000 They censor certain people, right?

00:29:15.000 And a lot of people are like coming after you constantly.

00:29:18.000 I can't believe Joe did this.

00:29:19.000 You know, he may have never had COVID. That was just a publicity stunt.

00:29:23.000 He didn't do that.

00:29:24.000 And why did he take that, all this stuff?

00:29:25.000 But if they silence you, who can't they silence next?

00:29:30.000 So if they go after you and they silence, say Joe Rogan doesn't have a voice anymore.

00:29:34.000 You can't go on Spotify, you can't go on YouTube, you can't go on Facebook and talk anymore.

00:29:38.000 Who's next after that?

00:29:40.000 It's a real problem.

00:29:41.000 I mean, look what they've done with the president.

00:29:43.000 With Trump, rather, when he was the president.

00:29:45.000 A sitting president was removed from Twitter and all other social media platforms.

00:29:49.000 Whether you agree with him or not, that's kind of crazy.

00:29:52.000 Because the Taliban's still on Twitter.

00:29:54.000 The Taliban's on Twitter, Donald Trump's not.

00:29:57.000 That's fact.

00:29:58.000 That's what's happening right now.

00:29:59.000 The ability to censor voices is unprecedented right now.

00:30:04.000 I mean, we've never had anything like it.

00:30:06.000 It's one of the weirdest times ever where giant corporations have, they're controlling the narrative.

00:30:14.000 Like, they can decide.

00:30:15.000 I showed you today on Instagram.

00:30:18.000 The hashtag naturalimmunity.

00:30:20.000 Crazy.

00:30:21.000 Crazy.

00:30:21.000 Have you seen this, Jamie?

00:30:22.000 Jamie, I'm going to send this to you right now.

00:30:23.000 Absolutely crazy.

00:30:25.000 It's really wild.

00:30:27.000 The hashtag naturalimmunity, I'm going to share it to you right now, Jamie.

00:30:31.000 I'm going to send you this link.

00:30:33.000 This hashtag does not work on Instagram.

00:30:38.000 When you click on naturalimmunity, it says, looking for vaccine info?

00:30:44.000 And then it sends you to the CDC website.

00:30:48.000 This is what you get when you're just trying to use a hashtag for natural immunity, which is a real thing.

00:30:55.000 People that have recovered from COVID have a natural immunity that's not just as good as the vaccine.

00:31:00.000 It's 6 to 13 times better according to this study out of Israel.

00:31:03.000 6 to 13 times better.

00:31:05.000 But if you even try to put that hashtag in on Instagram, they have decided to control the narrative.

00:31:11.000 I just went to look for it, and that's what I had to...

00:31:14.000 So it's not even letting you go there.

00:31:16.000 Did you get the text that I sent you?

00:31:18.000 Go to the text that I sent you because it's an actual post.

00:31:21.000 And so through the post, you can go to it and try it.

00:31:24.000 I wonder if it works the same on a web browser as it does on a phone.

00:31:28.000 But check it out.

00:31:30.000 So if you go through the link that I sent you, try it.

00:31:34.000 Right, it goes to the exact same thing I was just asking.

00:31:36.000 It's not working?

00:31:37.000 It goes to the exact same thing I was asking.

00:31:38.000 So that's interesting.

00:31:38.000 This page isn't available.

00:31:40.000 But because it works on a phone.

00:31:42.000 I'll do it here on my phone.

00:31:44.000 So here it is.

00:31:45.000 Can you see it?

00:31:46.000 I'll click on it.

00:31:47.000 Bam! 0.98

00:31:49.000 Whoops.

00:31:50.000 Fat fingers.

00:31:51.000 Natural immunity, bam.

00:31:52.000 It says looking for vaccine info.

00:31:55.000 And then you click on the website.

00:31:56.000 Yeah.

00:31:57.000 It says, when it comes to health, everyone wants reliable, up-to-date information.

00:32:03.000 Visit the website for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

00:32:07.000 The website has information that can help answer questions you may have about vaccines.

00:32:12.000 But I didn't ask about vaccines.

00:32:14.000 I looked for hashtag natural immunity.

00:32:19.000 When I search for it, what does come up is natural immunity with a middle finger after it.

00:32:22.000 Well, that one does work.

00:32:23.000 I know.

00:32:24.000 But this one, if you say, show me the hashtag anyway, it says, this hashtag is hidden.

00:32:30.000 When you click on that, it says- Yeah, you're right.

00:32:31.000 It's the middle finger natural immunity, Jamie.

00:32:33.000 That one works.

00:32:34.000 Natural immunity.

00:32:35.000 But just natural immunity without the middle finger, it says, posts for natural immunity have been limited because the community has reported some content that may not meet Instagram's community guidelines. 0.99

00:32:47.000 So this is Big Brother shit. 0.98

00:32:51.000 They're looking out for you. 1.00

00:32:52.000 They're telling you what you can look at and not look at.

00:32:54.000 Just with a grain of salt, that could have been one of those hijacked hashtags by one of those bad players from another country that wants to get people talking in crazy ways. 0.99

00:33:05.000 They could have paid a bunch of money to just fuck with it. 0.99

00:33:07.000 It could be. 0.99

00:33:08.000 Or they could do that and say it was another country in order to get that hashtag removed.

00:33:13.000 You think another country would...

00:33:13.000 For sure.

00:33:15.000 No, I'm just saying there's a possibility.

00:33:17.000 Just because we're already talking about it.

00:33:17.000 It could be that.

00:33:19.000 It's getting people riled up.

00:33:20.000 You make us think.

00:33:21.000 I like that.

00:33:22.000 Jamie's always looking for the conspiratorial angle.

00:33:22.000 Oh, Jamie does.

00:33:25.000 That was fantastic. 0.97

00:33:27.000 It's not always the, what's the dumbest thing? 0.79

00:33:30.000 That paradox thing? 0.90

00:33:32.000 Don't always go for malice or something like that.

00:33:34.000 No, you're right.

00:33:35.000 You never know.

00:33:35.000 You're 100% right.

00:33:38.000 That's how you compromise a movement.

00:33:40.000 You use disinformation.

00:33:43.000 Joe, question for you.

00:33:45.000 There used to be a time being a billionaire was a big deal.

00:33:48.000 It was a long time ago.

00:33:49.000 If you were a billionaire- It's not a big deal anymore?

00:33:51.000 No, not right now.

00:33:52.000 Power, specifically power.

00:33:53.000 So if I were to ask you right now, in order, I'm curious to know what you'll say, in order who has the most power, okay?

00:34:00.000 So we got billionaires, anybody that's a billionaire, the richest people in the world, number one.

00:34:05.000 Number two, Any of the major virtual governments that we have.

00:34:10.000 I'm talking Twitter, YouTube, Google, Facebook.

00:34:12.000 Virtual governments.

00:34:13.000 I like that.

00:34:14.000 So any of the major social media sites.

00:34:14.000 Any of those.

00:34:17.000 You got the president of the United States.

00:34:19.000 You got the university's educational program or mainstream media.

00:34:23.000 In order.

00:34:24.000 Who has the most power?

00:34:26.000 So number one...

00:34:27.000 Was billionaires, riches like you got Bezos, you got Musk, you got guys like that.

00:34:31.000 Then it's the virtual governments, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google.

00:34:34.000 Then you got our educational system, universities.

00:34:37.000 Then you got the president of the United States and you have mainstream media.

00:34:40.000 Who has the most power today in your opinion?

00:34:42.000 I think right now the most power to control the narrative is without doubt these virtual governments.

00:34:47.000 I agree.

00:34:48.000 Yeah, I think that's insanely unusual that something like this exists.

00:34:54.000 It's unprecedented.

00:34:55.000 There's never been anything like a YouTube before or a Twitter before or a Facebook before or Instagram that can completely control the narrative and decide, for whatever reason, decide whether or not you can use a hashtag.

00:35:09.000 Decide whether or not certain subjects can be discussed.

00:35:11.000 Decide whether or not accounts can be banned.

00:35:15.000 Who'd be number two?

00:35:16.000 Who'd you put after?

00:35:17.000 Who's most powerful or least powerful?

00:35:20.000 The government clearly is powerful.

00:35:22.000 Incredibly powerful.

00:35:23.000 But I don't think the president himself has very much power.

00:35:26.000 I think he's basically led around by the government around the president.

00:35:30.000 Do you put him last?

00:35:31.000 No, I don't know.

00:35:31.000 This president.

00:35:33.000 I'd have to sit down and think this through.

00:35:38.000 It's something to think about.

00:35:39.000 Yeah, it's definitely something to think about.

00:35:42.000 If you start there and look at all of them, okay, I don't think presidents have as much power as they did before, although they have power.

00:35:48.000 I think Trump had a lot of power.

00:35:50.000 I don't disagree.

00:35:51.000 I don't think this one does.

00:35:52.000 I think Obama also had a lot of power.

00:35:53.000 I think both of those guys had a lot of power.

00:35:56.000 Universities, right now, 13 liberal professors per one conservative.

00:35:59.000 That number on some sites is 11, some is 13. So 13 professors to one conservative.

00:36:05.000 So a liberal's not going to build up a capitalist, hard worker, person that's a self-made guy.

00:36:10.000 And then you have the one conservative that's like, hey, all you care about is rich people type of the situation.

00:36:14.000 Okay, so universities, if you send your kid to UC Berkeley, he's going to come out different if he goes to Berkeley.

00:36:20.000 Unless if he already thinks the way he thinks at Berkeley, right?

00:36:22.000 Then you got billionaires today, which billionaires are, 40 years ago, we had shows that would say the life of the rich and famous.

00:36:30.000 Oh my gosh, look at his house!

00:36:33.000 Joe's house is so sick!

00:36:35.000 Right?

00:36:35.000 Oh my, look at his...

00:36:36.000 MTV Cribs.

00:36:37.000 Yeah, the crib.

00:36:38.000 Lifestyles of the rich and famous.

00:36:39.000 Dude, look at the car, you know, look at this.

00:36:40.000 You drive a Dodge Ram, I drive an F-150.

00:36:42.000 So it's like, hey, look at this guy's truck.

00:36:45.000 We were, as kids, like, one day, how cool would that be if I have to date?

00:36:49.000 You don't see a lot of that stuff today.

00:36:50.000 It's like, let me do a rich and famous type of a show.

00:36:52.000 YouTube, yes.

00:36:53.000 Mainstream, maybe not.

00:36:54.000 But here's what the question becomes.

00:36:57.000 So, do you think these virtual governments are going to keep getting more powerful or less powerful?

00:37:01.000 Yes.

00:37:01.000 More powerful.

00:37:02.000 Okay.

00:37:02.000 So, Joe, what can we do about it?

00:37:05.000 Okay.

00:37:05.000 You're a man with a lot of influence.

00:37:07.000 Because for me, this is my opinion.

00:37:08.000 I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

00:37:11.000 You know when the whole thing was going on and...

00:37:15.000 Trump got censored and he got kicked off of Twitter and then came Facebook and then YouTube and I think one of them said it's temporary.

00:37:21.000 It's not permanent.

00:37:22.000 Twitter said permanent.

00:37:23.000 Dorsey, somebody said it was temporary.

00:37:25.000 Maybe it was Facebook that said they're going to look at it and YouTube said they're going to look at it.

00:37:28.000 But for now, he's permanent.

00:37:30.000 He's banned today.

00:37:32.000 And then guy said, if this video doesn't, because I did a couple of vaccine interviews and they were taken down.

00:37:37.000 I didn't put it on BitChute. 1.00

00:37:38.000 People put it on BitChute. 1.00

00:37:39.000 One was Judy interview I did, Mikevitz, I think.

00:37:42.000 A couple of interviews that I did and they put it on BitChute. 1.00

00:37:44.000 What was wrong with the interview?

00:37:46.000 She called out Fauci because her and Fauci worked on a project together in 1984 for AIDS and she called them out in a major way and within six days that video was taken down.

00:37:58.000 Did she call him out for the use of AZT? Is that what it was about?

00:38:01.000 I don't want to speculate and say yes or no.

00:38:04.000 That's not one of the things she discussed?

00:38:06.000 We talked specifically on AIDS where she said, even in 84, all he cared about is being a celebrity.

00:38:13.000 All he cared about is being a celebrity.

00:38:15.000 He just wanted to be famous.

00:38:15.000 He wanted to be on The Tonight Show.

00:38:17.000 And that was back in the days.

00:38:18.000 I mean, some people know Fauci, but most of the world doesn't know Fauci until the last 18 months.

00:38:24.000 So she was taken down.

00:38:25.000 And then we did a couple other interviews.

00:38:27.000 They were taken down.

00:38:28.000 You know, even Robert F. Kennedy was taken down recently off of Instagram.

00:38:31.000 And this guy's the son of Bobby Kennedy.

00:38:33.000 Is he really?

00:38:33.000 He's off Instagram now?

00:38:34.000 He was kicked off of Instagram.

00:38:36.000 Robert Kennedy.

00:38:37.000 Yeah.

00:38:37.000 Junior.

00:38:38.000 And this guy's one of the biggest environmental lawyers that we have in America.

00:38:41.000 So you do these interviews, but they all ended up in Bitshoot.

00:38:45.000 They ended up in Rumble or a couple of these parlor places, right?

00:38:48.000 Yeah.

00:38:49.000 The question I ask is the following.

00:38:51.000 Who's converting? 0.84

00:38:52.000 And what is converting?

00:38:54.000 So for me, I have a list of super necessary people in America today.

00:38:58.000 I have you at the top of the list.

00:38:59.000 I think you're very important because whoever sits with you, they think they're talking to you about to agree with them and you disagree with them.

00:39:07.000 So you're not like in any clique.

00:39:09.000 You're not part of any clique.

00:39:10.000 You're just challenging ideas constantly.

00:39:12.000 You're like most of Americans.

00:39:13.000 You're like, I don't know.

00:39:15.000 Let me find out.

00:39:16.000 And then you do a lot of research which the tough conversations are being had.

00:39:16.000 I don't know.

00:39:20.000 So it pisses off a lot of people, but you're willing to have those conversations, right?

00:39:24.000 I think Jordan Peterson's necessary.

00:39:26.000 I think Tulsi's necessary.

00:39:27.000 I think Bill Maher, very necessary today with what he's doing.

00:39:31.000 That list is a short list of names.

00:39:32.000 I think Russell Brand is necessary.

00:39:34.000 I think there's a small community of people that are getting us to talk.

00:39:36.000 I agree.

00:39:37.000 And have the tough conversations.

00:39:38.000 I think even I would put Tucker there.

00:39:40.000 And by the way, Jake Tapper, this is a weird one to put on the list.

00:39:43.000 He's been calling him out as well sometime when he does interviews.

00:39:46.000 It's actually...

00:39:46.000 No, I respect him very much.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, I respect Tapper a lot.

00:39:49.000 So then here becomes a solution.

00:39:51.000 If Joe, we sit around More like, well, this is eventually gonna happen. 0.85

00:39:57.000 If we know the enemy's eventually gonna get stronger, you think Bitch, Shoot, Parler, and, you know, Rumble are converting anybody? 0.90

00:40:04.000 I don't think so.

00:40:05.000 I think it's just everybody that agrees together goes to the same club.

00:40:08.000 I think Facebook is people that disagree, but they're getting banned.

00:40:13.000 I think Twitter is people that disagree, but now they're controlling how many people got kicked off just because they said what they said.

00:40:18.000 How about if a guy like you, has anybody ever approached you with the idea of, Joe, why don't you create a social media site?

00:40:27.000 Let us do the work, but why don't you be the guy that's heading it?

00:40:32.000 Because a guy like you, you're not on any specific side.

00:40:37.000 You're not sitting here saying, I voted for Trump.

00:40:39.000 You're not sitting here saying, you said you voted for Joe Jorgensen.

00:40:42.000 2% of population voted for George Orkinson.

00:40:45.000 So you're safe, but you challenge and you can't convert.

00:40:48.000 Have you ever thought about actually starting a social media type of a site?

00:40:52.000 No.

00:40:53.000 Why not?

00:40:54.000 I'm not interested in doing any more than what I'm already doing.

00:40:57.000 I don't want to spread myself thin.

00:40:59.000 I don't want to change my life in any way.

00:41:02.000 What I'm doing now is exactly what I like to do.

00:41:04.000 I don't mind inspiring conversation.

00:41:06.000 I don't mind having people on to promote things and to talk about things. 0.99

00:41:10.000 But if you're going to start a social media site, that better be your fucking life. 0.98

00:41:16.000 Like, I don't think that's like a little side gig. 0.99

00:41:18.000 If you're going to start a social media site, that is a massive undertaking.

00:41:21.000 And if you want it to be successful and you actually want to implement real change, I don't think that's anything...

00:41:28.000 You can't be also a cage-fighting commentary guy, also a comedian, also a father and a husband, also a guy with hobbies.

00:41:40.000 You're not doing that.

00:41:41.000 You're going to be 16 hours a day working on this social media site, and you're probably going to Probably gonna get sick.

00:41:46.000 Can I challenge that?

00:41:47.000 Sure.

00:41:47.000 Can I just challenge that and just maybe follow up on that?

00:41:50.000 Okay.

00:41:50.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:41:51.000 I'm at a point right now that my wife and I were talking.

00:41:55.000 She's like, oh, babe, I thought you said when we moved to Florida, you know, you're gonna be coming home. 0.97

00:41:58.000 And she's like, I've never seen her work this hard because now I'm like, shit, she ain't lying because we got four kids. 0.91

00:42:01.000 I got a nine-year-old, seven-year-old, five-year-old. 0.99

00:42:03.000 I got a 12-month-old kid.

00:42:05.000 I'm running multiple companies and I'm traveling back and forth.

00:42:08.000 So I understand what you're saying.

00:42:10.000 It is a challenge.

00:42:11.000 For sure it is a challenge to be able to do all those things.

00:42:13.000 And you've earned a point right now in your life.

00:42:16.000 We get to do whatever the hell you want to do.

00:42:17.000 You're at that position in your life that nobody can tell you what to do.

00:42:20.000 You're Joe Rogan.

00:42:21.000 You've earned the right.

00:42:22.000 You paid the price.

00:42:23.000 You've gone from the beginning to where you are today.

00:42:26.000 You're probably the ultimate renaissance man in America.

00:42:28.000 U.S. Open Taekwondo Championship.

00:42:30.000 When Eddie Bravo went to Brazil and he beat the Gracie, he hugs you.

00:42:34.000 You were there, you're supporting your body.

00:42:35.000 You're like the friend.

00:42:36.000 You're like the guy.

00:42:37.000 But at the same time, this is where I'm kind of going with this.

00:42:40.000 If you don't lead it, totally get it.

00:42:42.000 That is a 16-hour day job for 10 years.

00:42:44.000 You're right.

00:42:45.000 One million percent.

00:42:46.000 But maybe a guy like you ought to entertain the meeting of the minds.

00:42:53.000 So here's how I process this.

00:42:55.000 And maybe I'm wrong, challenge me.

00:42:57.000 I'm actually curious about being challenged in this area.

00:43:00.000 I think if there's one thing, last night I was having dinner with Chaz Palminteri, you know the guy from Bronx Hill, the actor, you know who he is.

00:43:08.000 And we're talking politics.

00:43:09.000 I don't talk politics.

00:43:11.000 I took him to Casa D'Angelo.

00:43:12.000 We're having a good conversation.

00:43:13.000 By the way, Casa D'Angelo has good elk.

00:43:14.000 So next time you're in Fort Lauderdale, on Thursdays, they do elk.

00:43:17.000 So I'm sitting there, I'm talking to this guy, and politics comes up.

00:43:22.000 I said, here's what I believe.

00:43:24.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:43:25.000 So the conversation about Lincoln Project, how Bush called out Trump just last week when he talked at the 9-11 memorial, I don't know if you saw that when he kind of gave his speech, and Obama was there saying, yeah, and Democrats are behind Bush because we got a Republican guy that's going against Trump.

00:43:39.000 I believe, I believe, I may be wrong, I believe Democrats are party over God and country.

00:43:49.000 I believe Republicans are God and country over party.

00:43:53.000 Let me say that one more time.

00:43:54.000 Democrats are party over God and country.

00:43:58.000 Republicans are God and country over party.

00:44:00.000 Which means what?

00:44:01.000 One side is about having control of their political party.

00:44:05.000 So whether AOC and Bernie Sanders And Elizabeth Warren disagree with Biden and disagree with Hillary and disagree with whatever they say. 0.99

00:44:14.000 Who gives a shit? 0.99

00:44:15.000 Let's just get together anyways. 0.99

00:44:16.000 Let's make sure that guy gets out of the office.

00:44:18.000 Versus Republicans are like, yeah, no, I can't vote for him because of McDougal or because of, you know, whoever the other would store me.

00:44:26.000 And I can't vote for him because he curses. 1.00

00:44:28.000 I can't vote for him.

00:44:28.000 I just can't.

00:44:29.000 Let me challenge you on that.

00:44:30.000 Because, like, think about what happens during the primaries.

00:44:33.000 I mean, they attack each other, left and right, whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans.

00:44:37.000 Sure.

00:44:37.000 The reason why George Bush is with all those guys now is he's retired.

00:44:42.000 It's over.

00:44:43.000 He's painting now.

00:44:45.000 When he was in office, George Bush was a staunch Republican, and they were fiercely opposed to him.

00:44:50.000 Do you remember how they hated him?

00:44:52.000 Do you remember how they charged him?

00:44:54.000 Antichrist is what he called it.

00:44:55.000 Crimes against humanity.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, of course.

00:44:56.000 He was a war criminal.

00:44:58.000 I think there's a certain amount of party loyalty that's based upon survival.

00:45:04.000 It's all dependent upon what they think is necessary for this stage of the game, wherever the pieces are in play at the moment.

00:45:14.000 When you've got a guy who's as polarizing as Trump, and he demands loyalty, and he's kind of the head of the Republican Party right now, you see that these people realize that the best chance for victory is to go with Trump.

00:45:28.000 That's why you got guys like Marco Rubio, you got guys like Ted Cruz. 0.99

00:45:34.000 He shit all over. 1.00

00:45:35.000 Shit all over those guys. 1.00

00:45:37.000 And they still stepped in line behind him. 1.00

00:45:39.000 Right?

00:45:40.000 That's why they did it.

00:45:41.000 They did it because it was the best move for the game.

00:45:44.000 So that was them doing it for party.

00:45:46.000 That was not them doing it for God and country.

00:45:48.000 That was them doing it for party.

00:45:50.000 So fair enough.

00:45:51.000 So here's a question for you then.

00:45:52.000 Who is the George Bush and the George Will of the left today?

00:45:57.000 That's a good question.

00:45:58.000 There's no one in the left today that excites me other than Tulsi Gabbard.

00:46:02.000 How about Manchin?

00:46:05.000 Joe Manchin.

00:46:06.000 I don't know Joe Manchin.

00:46:07.000 Oh, are you kidding me?

00:46:08.000 Oh, I'm not kidding.

00:46:09.000 You're serious?

00:46:10.000 No, I don't know Joe Manchin.

00:46:11.000 Do you know who Joe Manchin is?

00:46:13.000 Jamie doesn't know Joe Manchin either.

00:46:14.000 Do you know Joe is the only guy that votes left, that votes against the left today, and he's a Democrat.

00:46:21.000 Where is he from?

00:46:22.000 Can you pull him up, Joe Manchin?

00:46:23.000 I want to say Joe Manchin is a South something.

00:46:26.000 Joe Manchin is a senator from West Virginia, yeah.

00:46:30.000 This guy is the only guy That he votes against everything they vote for.

00:46:35.000 So, hey, $1.8 trillion?

00:46:37.000 He says no.

00:46:38.000 $3.5 trillion?

00:46:39.000 Did you see what Joe Manchin told, Biden told Joe Manchin last week?

00:46:39.000 He says no.

00:46:43.000 Can you pull up what Biden told Joe Manchin on a call last year, if you want to pull it up?

00:46:49.000 I think it's earlier this year.

00:46:50.000 I want to say April...

00:46:52.000 Biden call.

00:46:53.000 Yeah, you'll see what he...

00:46:56.000 If you don't come along... 1.00

00:47:01.000 Fucking ad blocker. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Gotta love these guys. 1.00

00:47:04.000 They want your money. 0.65

00:47:05.000 Biden told Senator Joe Manchin to support... 0.99

00:47:08.000 What the fuck happened? 1.00

00:47:09.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:47:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:10.000 That's sad.

00:47:11.000 Support his $1.9 trillion coronavirus stimulus package because if you don't come along, you're really fucking me. 0.98

00:47:20.000 So this is Joe Manchin. 0.98

00:47:21.000 Okay?

00:47:22.000 So Joe Manchin...

00:47:24.000 So Joe Manchin's the only guy that's pushing back on these guys.

00:47:28.000 And he's saying, I thought it was South Carolina, but it's West Virginia.

00:47:31.000 So he's saying no.

00:47:32.000 So that's the question.

00:47:33.000 Who is?

00:47:35.000 But he's not bashing them.

00:47:36.000 He's not trashing them.

00:47:37.000 Who is the Bush and the George Will of the left?

00:47:39.000 I just think the point I'm trying to make, and again, I may be wrong.

00:47:42.000 The point I'm trying to make here is, I think the left is more united than the right.

00:47:47.000 Even though the only people that they don't like on the left, if you're not a yes person, they have to get rid of you.

00:47:52.000 Like a Cuomo.

00:47:53.000 They got rid of Cuomo.

00:47:53.000 I think what united them was their hate for Trump.

00:47:57.000 I think that's what united them. 0.99

00:47:59.000 What united them is they're realizing that this one incredibly polarizing figure, this alpha character, who dominated media and tricked them, really, said outrageous things like, build that wall, all that kind of shit, and they're like, 0.97

00:48:14.000 can you believe what he's saying? 0.86

00:48:15.000 And then, unfortunately for them, particularly for CNN and MSNBC, he became their vector for ratings.

00:48:23.000 He became the thing that they would focus on and it generated massive amounts of income for them. 0.96

00:48:29.000 So during the time when Trump was in office and they could talk shit about Trump all the time, their ratings were through the roof because all it was was them complaining about Trump. 0.83

00:48:39.000 As soon as Trump's out of office, their ratings fall through the floor. 0.94

00:48:43.000 Zucker got crushed.

00:48:47.000 Like, to Trump.

00:48:48.000 They needed Trump.

00:48:50.000 They need that sort of thing for their business model.

00:48:53.000 Their business model's not personality-driven, interesting people that you want to see talk.

00:48:58.000 Like, do you think people are lining up to see the people that are on CNN, for the most part, talk?

00:49:03.000 They're not, right?

00:49:04.000 Well, maybe Don Lemon, I would say.

00:49:08.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:49:08.000 Maybe.

00:49:09.000 It's like they're not interesting people.

00:49:12.000 So what they're doing is they're saying the things that the party wants to hear, that the people on the left want to hear, particularly the people that are outraged at Trump.

00:49:22.000 But what they didn't recognize is that they were giving Trump publicity.

00:49:26.000 So the people that thought it was funny that Trump was saying all those things, the people that didn't like the left, they didn't like their politics, they didn't like their approach, they were happy that there was this guy who was this strong character who was pushing against them.

00:49:40.000 Yeah, but do you think they're about profits over party?

00:49:44.000 No, I think CNN is, for sure.

00:49:46.000 I don't think they are.

00:49:47.000 If they were, they wouldn't have pushed Trump out.

00:49:49.000 No, no, no.

00:49:50.000 Their revenues dropped 43-something percent.

00:49:52.000 I don't think they anticipated that.

00:49:54.000 Do you think they thought Trump was going to win?

00:49:56.000 No, no, no.

00:49:57.000 I don't think they anticipated the drop in ratings.

00:49:59.000 I don't think they ever thought in a million years.

00:50:02.000 That was a big drop, by the way.

00:50:03.000 It's a massive drop.

00:50:04.000 It's a massive drop. 1.00

00:50:05.000 It's half their fucking business. 0.99

00:50:06.000 Did you see the number of New York Times, how many subscribers they lost? 0.99

00:50:09.000 I don't remember the number, but it was an astronomical number.

00:50:11.000 The day after Trump was out, their subscribers just dropped.

00:50:14.000 That's crazy.

00:50:15.000 New York Times.

00:50:15.000 It's not shocking, though.

00:50:16.000 So going back to it.

00:50:18.000 So you think the virtual governments are going to get more powerful?

00:50:21.000 Yes.

00:50:22.000 Okay.

00:50:22.000 I think it's a real problem.

00:50:23.000 I agree with you.

00:50:24.000 So for me, the solution to me is there's got to be... 0.97

00:50:27.000 So what's the best thing that happened to, shit, I don't know, Kmart? 0.98

00:50:32.000 Walmart. 0.98

00:50:33.000 1962 and a half, they call it the super-saving center of the year.

00:50:38.000 Walmart, Kmart, Target all got started in 1962 and a half, okay?

00:50:44.000 Five years later, Kmart had 250 stores because they were funded.

00:50:48.000 Walmart, led by Sam Walton, they only had nine stores.

00:50:52.000 Fast forward to today, Kmart's out of business, Walmart's destroying it, they got 2.5 million employees worldwide, right?

00:50:57.000 We need competition.

00:50:59.000 The reason why this works left and right is because, like, I'm a registered independent.

00:51:04.000 This works if we keep fighting.

00:51:06.000 How do you register as an independent?

00:51:08.000 Wouldn't that mean you're registered?

00:51:09.000 You're a thing.

00:51:10.000 No, I changed it.

00:51:11.000 I went Democrat, Republican, I went independent.

00:51:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:51:14.000 But I mean, registering as an independent, why can't you just be an independent?

00:51:18.000 I mean, listen, I just want to change it up to being an independent.

00:51:20.000 They didn't have libertarian.

00:51:22.000 I just put independent.

00:51:23.000 I understand being a libertarian.

00:51:25.000 I'm probably more libertarian.

00:51:27.000 But going back to it, we need a little bit of competition.

00:51:30.000 Dude, there is no competition.

00:51:32.000 There's no competition in the world of social media.

00:51:34.000 It's like Facebook is the place for people to be overly verbose. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Twitter is where the mental patients throw shit at each other. 0.99

00:51:40.000 And YouTube is where everybody posts videos. 0.99

00:51:43.000 I mean, these are the three places that are just locked down.

00:51:46.000 You want to show pictures?

00:51:47.000 There's Instagram.

00:51:48.000 So if you were to, let's just say, you're saying, Pat, I don't want to do it.

00:51:51.000 Don't put that onus on me.

00:51:52.000 I don't want that kind of pressure right now.

00:51:54.000 I want to go hunting.

00:51:54.000 I want to live my life.

00:51:55.000 Okay, I don't want to do this shit. 1.00

00:51:57.000 Let somebody else do it. 0.99

00:51:58.000 If you were to host a symposium, hypothetically, Joe Rogan is hosting a symposium, okay?

00:52:05.000 It's called RoganCon, okay?

00:52:07.000 Instead of Comic-Con, whatever, all these shows, it's called RoganCon.

00:52:11.000 And this is a small little buy invitation only of people you invite.

00:52:15.000 Some of them have a lot of influence in media.

00:52:17.000 Some of them have a lot of influence in real estate.

00:52:19.000 Some of them have a lot of influence in, you know, insurance, finance, talent, Hollywood, technology, software. 0.99

00:52:27.000 And they come to the meeting and you say, guys, I have no desire to do none of this shit. 0.99

00:52:31.000 I'm Joe Rogan. 0.99

00:52:33.000 But here's what I think we need to do.

00:52:34.000 I think we need to go find the right people to produce something here, here, here, here, here.

00:52:38.000 Let's start recruiting because we need competition, okay? 0.97

00:52:41.000 That doesn't put the onus on you, and I think there probably would be a way where guys would give you five or ten points on a back end because even at the back end, if you sit on a board, you don't do shit. 0.84

00:52:50.000 You're talking about creating a business. 0.94

00:52:51.000 That's what you're talking about?

00:52:52.000 I'm not talking about creating a business.

00:52:53.000 I'm talking about bringing the greatest minds together.

00:52:56.000 I was in Chicago at Ritz-Carlton.

00:52:58.000 I walk up.

00:52:59.000 I'm like, there was 2,000 African-American kids at this hotel.

00:53:03.000 This was like 9, 10 years ago.

00:53:05.000 I said, what's going on here?

00:53:06.000 And every one of them was suited up like you wouldn't believe.

00:53:10.000 Good-looking men, women, eloquent, well-spoken.

00:53:14.000 I was blown away.

00:53:15.000 I said, what's going on over here?

00:53:18.000 He said, we're the future lawyers of the African-American community.

00:53:21.000 We're the future leaders.

00:53:22.000 And one by one I'm talking about, I said, who put this together?

00:53:25.000 Who do you think put it together?

00:53:27.000 Barack Obama put it together.

00:53:28.000 So he may not be the guy that's going to do it, but he's leading the charge.

00:53:32.000 I don't know.

00:53:32.000 I just think if there's a guy in the world that can pull the greatest minds together and challenge them to do something with some of these areas, because I do agree with you.

00:53:40.000 This is a real threat with the virtual government.

00:53:41.000 I think if anyone's fully qualified to do that and just hold the meeting and not do anything anymore, I think it's a man named Joe Rogan.

00:53:49.000 I don't know if anybody could do anything about the amount of momentum that Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Google, the amount of power that they have.

00:53:58.000 The amount of power that they have is unprecedented.

00:54:02.000 Anything short of some sort of regulation, and this is where it gets really squirrely, you're going to allow the government to regulate these companies?

00:54:09.000 I think we might almost be better off allowing the companies to regulate themselves.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.000 Anything short of government regulation that says that you cannot censor.

00:54:18.000 Because what's going on is it's not just being censored, it's censored toward a particular ideology.

00:54:23.000 It's censored almost entirely towards the left.

00:54:26.000 I mean, some left-leaning people get censored as well, especially if they step out of line politically, like my friend Brett Weinstein.

00:54:35.000 Had a podcast by the way with a great price.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

00:54:38.000 Yeah, and as is his wife Heather They had a movement that they were trying to do called unity 2020 where they were trying to bring the best candidates from the left and the best candidates from the right and create some sort of a third-party Alternative where you could get a Tulsi Gabbard and a Dan Crenshaw together.

00:54:57.000 That was the ultimate goal They were banned from Twitter for no reason For no reason.

00:55:02.000 Twitter just decided they wanted Trump to win so badly that they're going to come up with excuses to ban a company or rather a group of people that decided it would be a good idea to organize people from opposing sides that have similar ideologies and morals and ethics and put them together to try to find a better alternative to the two-party system that we currently are stuck with.

00:55:29.000 So they were banned off Twitter.

00:55:31.000 It's crazy.

00:55:32.000 But that was something that was done to people on the left, right?

00:55:35.000 So it's a very, very weird time when YouTube can just decide that they don't like what someone says in your video and ban it.

00:55:46.000 But it's a person's opinion.

00:55:48.000 There's a lot of offensive things said on YouTube every day, all day long.

00:55:52.000 You can go on YouTube and find things that you disagree with, things you think would be problematic for our culture and our communities.

00:56:00.000 It's all over the place on YouTube.

00:56:02.000 But because of this current pandemic, they feel like there's this heightened sense of responsibility that they have.

00:56:09.000 To control the narrative.

00:56:11.000 And that's very disturbing to me.

00:56:14.000 And what's even more disturbing to me is how people, when they agree with that narrative, don't understand where this all goes, and they're agreeing with that censorship.

00:56:23.000 They're like, yes!

00:56:24.000 Censor those people.

00:56:25.000 Get rid of those voices.

00:56:27.000 De-platform people that I disagree with.

00:56:29.000 And they don't understand where this goes.

00:56:31.000 It's like where people are saying, the people that have been vaccinated, that want a vaccine passport, yes, we should have a vaccine passport.

00:56:39.000 I've been vaccinated.

00:56:40.000 That's not going to change.

00:56:41.000 It's only going to help me.

00:56:42.000 I did my part.

00:56:43.000 I took one for the team, and I went out and got vaccinated to be a good citizen. 1.00

00:56:48.000 Those people who didn't, fuck them. 1.00

00:56:49.000 We should have a vaccine passport. 1.00

00:56:51.000 That makes zero sense.

00:56:52.000 Here's the problem with it.

00:56:53.000 The vaccine passport, it doesn't end there.

00:56:55.000 It's going to keep going.

00:56:56.000 And it's going to lead to some sort of a social system.

00:56:59.000 You're going to have a social credit system similar to what they have in China.

00:57:01.000 You think it'll happen in our lifetime?

00:57:03.000 You're saying 100%?

00:57:03.000 100%.

00:57:04.000 100% it can happen in our lifetime.

00:57:05.000 Are you okay with that?

00:57:06.000 No.

00:57:07.000 It 100% can happen in our lifetime, because people will step with it.

00:57:12.000 As long as it benefits them, and as long as it aligns with their ideology, they will ignore the dangers of a social credit system, and they will embrace it.

00:57:21.000 I never thought people would be...

00:57:23.000 Look, six months ago, the White House was saying there's no way we would ever use some sort of a vaccine mandate.

00:57:29.000 There's no way.

00:57:30.000 But Kamala said, I would never take the vaccine that Trump's coming...

00:57:33.000 So did Biden.

00:57:34.000 Yeah, both of them said that, yeah.

00:57:35.000 Yeah.

00:57:36.000 They both did.

00:57:36.000 But then once they got into office, six months ago, they said we would never use a mandate.

00:57:42.000 We would never try to force businesses or people to be vaccinated.

00:57:46.000 Now they are saying that.

00:57:48.000 Now they want you to do that.

00:57:48.000 Did you see that video where they're talking about, Biden's talking about the hurricane?

00:57:52.000 No.

00:57:53.000 Have you ever seen this?

00:57:53.000 No.

00:57:54.000 Have you seen that, Jamie?

00:57:56.000 Here, I'll say the one where the kid's laughing.

00:57:58.000 Here, I'll send you this one because this is the funniest one.

00:58:00.000 Because these guys were watching them say this, and as these guys are watching them say this, it's just funny.

00:58:10.000 Here, I'm going to send you this.

00:58:11.000 Hold on, give me one second.

00:58:13.000 Hurricane Biden.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, he's telling them they should get vaccinated before the hurricane comes.

00:58:19.000 It's obviously a joke, right?

00:58:20.000 No, it's not a joke.

00:58:22.000 He's being dead serious.

00:58:24.000 But you gotta watch this.

00:58:25.000 I just said it to you, Jamie.

00:58:26.000 We'll watch it on the screen.

00:58:28.000 We'll have a nice laugh.

00:58:29.000 Because...

00:58:30.000 It's not that you shouldn't get vaccinated.

00:58:32.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:58:33.000 It's just like the narrative is so overwhelming that it applies to everything now. 0.99

00:58:40.000 It applies to the fucking hurricane. 0.99

00:58:41.000 Play this. 0.99

00:58:42.000 Give me some volume.

00:58:43.000 In a state where hurricanes often strike, like Florida or the Gulf Coast or into Texas, A vital part of preparing for hurricane season is to get vaccinated now.

00:58:55.000 Everything is more complicated if you're not vaccinated in a hurricane or natural disaster hits.

00:59:02.000 How the hell does that make any sense though?

00:59:09.000 People are just stepping in line.

00:59:10.000 You're not saying don't take the vaccine.

00:59:12.000 That's not what you're saying.

00:59:13.000 I think a lot of people should take the vaccine.

00:59:14.000 Okay, so I got a story for you here from my personal end.

00:59:17.000 My dad is 79 years old, okay?

00:59:20.000 Conversation came about the vaccine.

00:59:21.000 He said, are you taking it?

00:59:22.000 I said, I'm not taking it.

00:59:23.000 I was in the Army.

00:59:24.000 In the Army, the first day of going into the Army, they give you 11 air shots when you go in.

00:59:29.000 Psst, psst, psst.

00:59:30.000 And you just go through it.

00:59:31.000 Literally.

00:59:32.000 11 shots in one day?

00:59:33.000 11 shots in one day, back to back to back.

00:59:35.000 And you say, don't move.

00:59:36.000 If you move a little bit, get a scar.

00:59:38.000 I mean, I'll never forget this.

00:59:39.000 So I've had plenty of vaccine in myself.

00:59:39.000 I was 18 years old.

00:59:41.000 It's probably why I'm a little bit off.

00:59:43.000 So my dad, okay, he says, should I get the vaccine?

00:59:46.000 I said, dad, it's up to you.

00:59:47.000 What do you want to do?

00:59:48.000 He says, Pat, I'm 70-some years old.

00:59:50.000 I said, dad, if you're 79, do what you want to do.

00:59:52.000 He said, I want to get the vaccine.

00:59:52.000 He said, when I got the vaccine, great.

00:59:54.000 I didn't get the vaccine.

00:59:55.000 I got COVID. So he ends up getting the vaccine.

00:59:58.000 And two weeks ago, he just got his negative back from COVID. He got positive.

01:00:04.000 And he got pneumonia.

01:00:05.000 My dad at 79. And he is okay.

01:00:08.000 He's done.

01:00:09.000 He scored away.

01:00:10.000 He has nothing to worry about today.

01:00:12.000 Would it have been different if he didn't have the vaccine?

01:00:14.000 I don't know.

01:00:15.000 Most likely it would have been.

01:00:16.000 Most likely it would have been.

01:00:17.000 So I think it made sense that he took the vaccine and it benefited him.

01:00:20.000 A friend of mine, younger than in my 20 years, in great shape, didn't take the shot.

01:00:26.000 He got vaccine.

01:00:27.000 He got COVID and had pneumonia.

01:00:29.000 Was in a hospital for four weeks.

01:00:30.000 Literally, he was hospitalized, right?

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:32.000 For myself, I didn't take the vaccine.

01:00:35.000 There's a few reasons why I haven't taken the vaccine yet.

01:00:36.000 It's my only reason why I haven't taken the vaccine yet.

01:00:38.000 But the biggest challenge for me is the conversation of being forced to take the vaccine.

01:00:44.000 So Nicki Minaj, I'm sure you're kind of following the story with what's going on with Nicki Minaj. 0.99

01:00:48.000 Her cousin's testicles. 0.99

01:00:49.000 Her cousin's testicles, yeah, in Trinidad. 1.00

01:00:52.000 And people are saying, are you kidding me about these testicles? 0.99

01:00:55.000 So whether these testicles are just massive or something happened to them or it was because of the vaccine, let's set that aside with the testicles. 0.95

01:01:01.000 I've never heard of testicles swelling as a side effect. 0.97

01:01:05.000 I haven't either.

01:01:05.000 I've heard of other things, but not because of the vaccine.

01:01:07.000 So, okay, so that's that part.

01:01:09.000 All right, so she goes up there and she says, I don't want to take it.

01:01:12.000 On her live, Joe, you got to listen to her live.

01:01:16.000 It's so funny because she puts the camera and the camera's at the ceiling.

01:01:20.000 You never see her face.

01:01:21.000 You're just talking.

01:01:22.000 It's alive, right?

01:01:23.000 And she says, let me get this straight, because she put it out on Twitter that I got a call from the White House to go and have a meeting at the White House with the health secretary and, what do you call it, with Fauci, right?

01:01:36.000 Meeting with Fauci.

01:01:37.000 And she said, I would like to come, but I would like you to be live.

01:01:41.000 Instead of me traveling, I'd much rather not travel, let's do a live.

01:01:44.000 And they say, yeah, we don't mind doing a live, we just don't want it to be recorded.

01:01:47.000 She says, no, I want it to be recorded because I want my audience to see whether this is, you know, so I'm honest with the audience.

01:01:53.000 They say, well, let us think about it.

01:01:55.000 She has her PR rep on it and her agent on the call, so it's not like she's by herself.

01:01:59.000 Then the White House comes back and says, no, we never told you that you're going to be doing this live, right, because she tweeted us and I got a call from White House.

01:02:06.000 And she says, why can't I have the choice to not do it?

01:02:09.000 Why can't I not have the choice?

01:02:11.000 The biggest contradiction for me- To not do the vaccine?

01:02:13.000 I don't want to take the vaccine.

01:02:15.000 They're forcing her to do it. 1.00

01:02:16.000 And you heard a couple of the folks from, I don't know what it was, when they came out and they said, who was the lady that we were talking about?

01:02:24.000 She said, I got 2 million followers, girl.

01:02:25.000 I'm not at your level with 22 million followers on Twitter.

01:02:29.000 You can do better, girl.

01:02:31.000 You ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing this because now people are not taking a vaccine.

01:02:33.000 Who said that to her? 1.00

01:02:35.000 Who's Joy?

01:02:36.000 What's her name?

01:02:37.000 Oh, Joy Ann Reed?

01:02:38.000 Yeah, I think that's who it was.

01:02:40.000 So she comes back and she says, just because I don't want to do it, I don't want to do it.

01:02:44.000 So why do I have to do it?

01:02:45.000 I may end up doing it because I have to go on tour and I have to do this part.

01:02:48.000 But if you're going to a point, Joe, yourself, where you're talking about 100% this is going to happen in our generation, then I ask you, Are you okay with that?

01:02:57.000 I didn't say 100% it's going to happen.

01:02:59.000 I said 100% it could happen that we have a social credit score in this country.

01:03:05.000 The same people that are accepting a vaccine passport, my position is I do not believe once the government has the ability to control your movement, what you do, and when you do it, if they can put limitations...

01:03:17.000 On your freedom, and that is what it is, that it makes it easier to control people.

01:03:22.000 Once they do that, I do not believe they're going to leave it at a vaccine passport.

01:03:27.000 I agree with you.

01:03:28.000 I think they're going to expand it, and I think the next logical move is some sort of a social credit score.

01:03:35.000 And you'll look at a bunch of things.

01:03:37.000 Have you paid your taxes?

01:03:39.000 Are you in debt?

01:03:41.000 Do you owe money on your credit cards?

01:03:43.000 Are you in default of loans?

01:03:46.000 Have you been vaccinated?

01:03:48.000 Have you voted?

01:03:50.000 And all those things.

01:03:51.000 And who you voted for.

01:03:52.000 Well, that would be problematic, but all those things could be designed into a social credit program where you could see in a person who has poor social credit, a person who's been to jail for armed robbery,

01:04:08.000 a person who owes taxes, that person would have a lower credit score and they wouldn't be allowed into certain buildings.

01:04:14.000 Why is this a bad thing?

01:04:16.000 It's because it's control.

01:04:17.000 It's having the ability to tell people what they can and can't do.

01:04:22.000 Having the government, if you're a free person, I mean, you've made mistakes or you're trying to do better in your life, but you've had some horrible scenarios in your past.

01:04:35.000 You're supposed to be free to try to navigate and do better in your life.

01:04:40.000 If you're restricted and very clearly restricted by a set of parameters that's decided by other people that doesn't have to do with law, like it's not like you need to be locked up because you're a criminal.

01:04:52.000 You have a social credit score like they're implementing in China.

01:04:55.000 What it does is it keeps people scared and it keeps people in line and it's a fantastic way to control the population and that's what it's used for.

01:05:03.000 Should we do something about it?

01:05:05.000 I think talking about it is a good thing.

01:05:08.000 We're talking about allowing people to recognize that this is something that could potentially happen.

01:05:13.000 You think there's a next step?

01:05:14.000 The vaccine passport just six months ago was conspiracy theory nonsense. 0.99

01:05:18.000 People were like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:05:20.000 You're not going to have a vaccine passport. 0.99

01:05:22.000 No one was accepting the fact that this was real.

01:05:26.000 This is stuff that Alex Jones talked about.

01:05:28.000 But now...

01:05:29.000 It's a real thing.

01:05:30.000 LA and New York, yeah.

01:05:31.000 Is LA now?

01:05:32.000 Oh yeah, they just announced it three days ago.

01:05:34.000 Right after Newsom won the election?

01:05:35.000 Right after Newsom, they announced it the next day.

01:05:37.000 That's right.

01:05:38.000 The next day they announced it.

01:05:39.000 How clever.

01:05:40.000 But you were in Bell Canyon.

01:05:41.000 Were you living in Bell Canyon?

01:05:42.000 I love that community, Bell Canyon.

01:05:44.000 I was living in...

01:05:46.000 Woodland Hills and Granada Hills, which is, our office was at Warner Center Marriott, right across the street from the P.F. Changs, yeah.

01:05:52.000 So, okay, so you said talking about it.

01:05:54.000 Joe, I'm a guy that's a business guy, and I'm a guy that's always looking at everything from the standpoint of, how can I make this better?

01:06:01.000 How can I make life better?

01:06:02.000 How can I make business?

01:06:03.000 How can I make anything?

01:06:04.000 My brain always goes there, right?

01:06:06.000 What is above talking about it?

01:06:08.000 So, if talking about it one million percent, you're right, but what is above talking about it?

01:06:12.000 Is there something above us talking about it?

01:06:16.000 Because if it goes this way, then a lot of ideas that we can process together is not going to be there.

01:06:24.000 Is America going to really be America if we go in that direction?

01:06:27.000 We're going to have to throw a lot of the stuff America was founded on.

01:06:27.000 Probably not.

01:06:29.000 So, what do you think is above talking about it?

01:06:33.000 What's above talking about it?

01:06:35.000 Action, obviously.

01:06:36.000 We'd have to organize something.

01:06:37.000 So what do we do?

01:06:38.000 Well, I don't know what you can do at this point.

01:06:40.000 I think what we've got to do is get the people who run these social media platforms to understand the dangers of what they're involved with.

01:06:49.000 You think that can happen?

01:06:50.000 I don't know.

01:06:50.000 Because, you know, I had Colin Hallback.

01:06:53.000 Is that how you pronounce his last name?

01:06:55.000 Right?

01:06:55.000 Hallback.

01:06:56.000 Hallback?

01:06:56.000 How do you say it?

01:06:57.000 Hallback.

01:06:58.000 Hoback.

01:06:59.000 He's the gentleman, H-O-B-A-C-K. He's the gentleman that produced that HBO documentary on QAnon. 0.77

01:07:08.000 And one of the big parts of our conversation yesterday was discussing privacy, social media power, and how these algorithms are essentially pushing people towards division.

01:07:20.000 And we talked about the movie The Social Dilemma.

01:07:24.000 They really highlighted how these algorithms are polarizing people and causing this.

01:07:30.000 There's a real problem with algorithms.

01:07:32.000 There's a real problem that we have those.

01:07:34.000 But there's also a problem with the amount of money that these social media companies have been able to generate by selling your private information, selling your data.

01:07:43.000 This is where all this division is coming from.

01:07:45.000 It accentuates the division.

01:07:47.000 And I don't think the division would be nearly as strong if people were allowed to communicate freely and if there wasn't this sort of massive amount of income that could be derived from division, from people fighting with each other.

01:08:03.000 And it's a real issue.

01:08:06.000 So then, if that's the case, the question then becomes, So one, we both are on the same page, holding them accountable.

01:08:14.000 If the government regulates them, that could be even more problematic because now the new administration can tell them what to and who to censor.

01:08:20.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:08:21.000 Shit, I don't know if we wanted to get to that point. 0.99

01:08:22.000 You don't want that. 0.99

01:08:23.000 No matter what side it is, even if it's a side you agree with.

01:08:25.000 I think you're better off with these private companies controlling it than the government by far.

01:08:30.000 But now, why should they listen to you?

01:08:30.000 I agree.

01:08:35.000 Why should they listen to you?

01:08:36.000 Because do you think, like, go back to the days of, we're going to protest.

01:08:42.000 I want to protest.

01:08:43.000 Strike.

01:08:44.000 We're going to get off Instagram?

01:08:44.000 What are we going to do?

01:08:46.000 We're going to get off YouTube?

01:08:47.000 We're going to take a month off?

01:08:48.000 Like, you know, I was like, well, I'm not going to go use the gas.

01:08:50.000 I'm not going to go do this.

01:08:52.000 It's just not going to work because we're addicted because of social dilemma.

01:08:55.000 Kids are addicted to it.

01:08:56.000 Living a life without checking Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Rogan, Spotify, I don't know if we can do that.

01:09:03.000 So then the next part for me becomes, do you think when Dana White and the two investors, when they bought the UFC for whatever the number was, two million bucks, the guy, when they bought it, did you think they thought ever that UFC was going to get to the point of boxing,

01:09:19.000 if not bigger?

01:09:21.000 It's pretty much there if you think about it.

01:09:22.000 It's not at the boxing level.

01:09:24.000 If a big fight happens, people are going to watch the boxing match.

01:09:27.000 But nobody thought UFC was going to compete at the level of boxing.

01:09:31.000 You know, Pride was fighting.

01:09:32.000 Everybody was going out.

01:09:33.000 You had Fedor.

01:09:34.000 This is your world.

01:09:35.000 It's not my world, right?

01:09:36.000 The point of...

01:09:37.000 Where I'm going with this is the following.

01:09:39.000 Sometimes as we age...

01:09:41.000 I read an article about...

01:09:43.000 Time Magazine.

01:09:44.000 It talked about, you know, millennials and how they're minimalists.

01:09:49.000 And he was bashing all these guys.

01:09:51.000 And so, you know, these guys are doing this and all they care about is themselves.

01:09:54.000 All they want to do is see themselves in a picture on Instagram.

01:09:57.000 And they're such narcissist kids.

01:09:58.000 All these guys are kids.

01:10:00.000 And then at the end, the article ends with, if you think...

01:10:05.000 These guys are kids and they have it easier than we had it.

01:10:09.000 Maybe it just means you're getting a little too old.

01:10:11.000 Which means like we forgot that somebody told us how life was harder for them than it was for us.

01:10:18.000 You know how we kind of like...

01:10:18.000 Of course.

01:10:19.000 I guess where I'm going with that is the thought of many people I talk to don't think it's possible to beat a Facebook today or YouTube or Google or any of these guys.

01:10:31.000 Many people are like, it's over.

01:10:32.000 You can't compete with them.

01:10:33.000 But what's the alternative if we take that mindset?

01:10:36.000 If we say, yeah, you can't beat those guys.

01:10:38.000 I think if today we had two YouTubes, we had two Googles, we had two Facebooks that are competing against each other, we'd probably be a little bit better off.

01:10:47.000 I'm an Apple guy.

01:10:48.000 I use an Apple.

01:10:49.000 Are you Apple?

01:10:50.000 You're also Apple.

01:10:51.000 Okay.

01:10:51.000 I use Android, too.

01:10:52.000 But I've got to tell you, it scares the shit out of me if Apple...

01:10:55.000 Is taking Droid out.

01:10:56.000 I like the fact that the new Droid came out because it's more competition.

01:10:59.000 We need competition, right?

01:11:00.000 We need competition. 0.98

01:11:00.000 We don't want these guys to freaking have control because we're screwed. 0.98

01:11:03.000 Right. 0.97

01:11:04.000 And Apple took a loss last week, by the way.

01:11:05.000 They had a big loss last week.

01:11:06.000 Well, their new phones are exactly the same as their old phones. 0.99

01:11:09.000 And as soon as that got released, everybody's like, what the fuck? 0.88

01:11:11.000 The biggest, the loss they took is on the app now. 0.98

01:11:13.000 You know how they take a third of whatever?

01:11:15.000 Yes, they lost that.

01:11:16.000 They lost that, which means now you can go on a different side.

01:11:18.000 And that's big for them because that's a lot of revenues.

01:11:20.000 30%.

01:11:21.000 That's big dollars right there.

01:11:23.000 So don't you think if we know this is where it's going?

01:11:26.000 I think a lot of people agree with you that that's the direction it's going.

01:11:30.000 Don't you think we need to do something about it?

01:11:32.000 We need to actually do something about it today.

01:11:35.000 You took that conversation in a little bit.

01:11:36.000 That's a long way. 0.96

01:11:37.000 I have to go back to the beginning and figure out what the fuck you said at first and then you worked your way into the UFC and social media and then it got to Apple and Android. 0.93

01:11:44.000 To make you believe if UFC can beat, because it's two things, it's Monopoly and it's the fact that the smaller guy beat the bigger guy. 0.91

01:11:51.000 It's a totally different sport.

01:11:52.000 I see what you're saying though.

01:11:54.000 I think it would be good for us if there was more social media competition.

01:12:01.000 But I think there's always going to be an issue.

01:12:03.000 And the issue of control is always going to be there.

01:12:09.000 These companies, when you're dealing with these social media companies, there's always going to be a problem of managing at scale, right?

01:12:15.000 So if you have someone like YouTube, like we've gone over this before, the numbers of hours of video that gets uploaded every day is staggering.

01:12:26.000 It's crazy.

01:12:27.000 TikTok just beat them, by the way, I think last week.

01:12:28.000 Which is even crazy.

01:12:29.000 Crazier, yeah.

01:12:30.000 So, all these platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, the amount of people they have using them and using them all day long is insane.

01:12:39.000 I've had conversations with Jack Dorsey, both on camera and off camera.

01:12:44.000 He is not a man that advocates censorship.

01:12:46.000 However, he works for a company that does, and he's a CEO of a company that does, and it's a very unusual position that he's in.

01:12:52.000 He's an advocate for a Wild West Twitter as well as a regular Twitter.

01:12:57.000 So like a Twitter that's got some form of moderation, very heavy-handed moderation in my opinion, versus another Twitter, like a possible, like a 4chan type Twitter.

01:13:08.000 That's his thought.

01:13:10.000 Like he thinks there should be like almost two Twitters.

01:13:13.000 Like a blockchain type of a thing.

01:13:14.000 It's just something where it's just wild and wild and open.

01:13:17.000 I think the problem with that, of course, is illegal stuff.

01:13:23.000 You know, the problem with that is child porn. 0.98

01:13:25.000 The problem with that is the same problem they have with 8chan, right?

01:13:28.000 It's child porn and doxing and illegal things, illegal videos.

01:13:34.000 So it's like, what is the solution?

01:13:38.000 Managing at scale seems like an incredibly daunting task.

01:13:42.000 And they have to do it with AI. They have to do it with machine learning.

01:13:46.000 I mean, there's a lot of moving pieces involved, whether it's Twitter or Instagram or Facebook or YouTube or Google or any of these platforms.

01:13:55.000 They're so big and there's so many users.

01:13:58.000 It creates a problem in and of itself and I think part of the censorship aspect Is just to try to manage this massive influx of data that they have to sift through all day long.

01:14:09.000 So they make these hardline choices.

01:14:11.000 Then I think they get pressure from political parties, like the Hunter Biden laptop situation.

01:14:17.000 New York Post story.

01:14:18.000 New York Post.

01:14:19.000 One of the oldest...

01:14:21.000 I think it's the second oldest newspaper in this country?

01:14:25.000 It could be even older than that.

01:14:27.000 Yeah, insanely old, recognized newspaper, been around forever, and they censored links to their story.

01:14:36.000 They had a legitimate story on Hunter Biden's laptop.

01:14:38.000 They thought that was going to hurt the Biden case, much like the Hillary Clinton emails hurt her case.

01:14:44.000 So they banned this story from all the social media platforms, and people are freaking the fuck out.

01:14:50.000 They can't believe that they can do this.

01:14:52.000 But they did do this, and they did it with no repercussions.

01:14:54.000 And that remains like that right now.

01:14:57.000 Like, it's...

01:14:58.000 I mean, nothing changed.

01:14:59.000 There was no punishment.

01:15:01.000 They got away with it.

01:15:03.000 They did it.

01:15:03.000 It probably affected the election.

01:15:05.000 I mean, the election was fairly close.

01:15:07.000 In a lot of places, who knows, it would have been closer or if Trump would have even won if they did not do that.

01:15:13.000 I don't know.

01:15:14.000 I mean, if there was no censorship whatsoever...

01:15:16.000 Who knows?

01:15:17.000 Who knows what would have happened?

01:15:18.000 Yeah, I mean it would have been...

01:15:19.000 By the way, would you rather have Hillary or would you rather have Biden? 0.99

01:15:22.000 Between the two.

01:15:23.000 As a human being, when you hear them communicate, Hillary's a better representation of America. 0.99

01:15:28.000 Got it.

01:15:28.000 Yeah, I don't disagree.

01:15:30.000 She's far better.

01:15:31.000 She's a far better communicator.

01:15:32.000 Far better representation.

01:15:34.000 And it would make a lot of women happy. 1.00

01:15:36.000 Yay! 0.99

01:15:36.000 It would make a lot of women happy. 0.99

01:15:37.000 It would be making history.

01:15:38.000 I mean, if you have a first president, would you rather have Kamala or Hillary? 0.97

01:15:42.000 For the history books.

01:15:44.000 It should be Tulsi Gabbard.

01:15:45.000 It should be Tulsi Gabbard.

01:15:46.000 It should be Tulsi.

01:15:47.000 I don't know if they're going to let Tulsi have that kind of momentum.

01:15:49.000 I think Tulsi needs some guys from the top to back her up a little bit more. 1.00

01:15:52.000 Maybe some of the money guys.

01:15:53.000 She used to go to Bohemian Grove, put on an owl costume.

01:15:58.000 I remember when Bill Burr was on Conan O'Brien after Hillary lost, and he's like, yeah, I don't know if I like Hillary.

01:16:04.000 She looks like a real estate agent, the way she dresses and the way she goes with her hands. 1.00

01:16:08.000 Doesn't she go to one of those parties like, what?

01:16:10.000 What are you talking about?

01:16:11.000 Anyway, that's a whole different story.

01:16:12.000 It cracks me up when I see him.

01:16:17.000 Joe, for yourself, who do you see yourself as?

01:16:21.000 Meaning, I know this is probably not the kind of questions you like to be asked, but who's Joe Rogan?

01:16:26.000 Meaning, is Joe Rogan a...

01:16:28.000 What role do you think you play in today's time?

01:16:30.000 I don't think about that at all.

01:16:32.000 I know you don't.

01:16:32.000 That's why I can do what I do.

01:16:34.000 I totally agree with that.

01:16:35.000 I totally agree with that, that you don't. 0.97

01:16:37.000 But do you think there's a part of it where if a fight were to break out, And it's a good friend of yours that calls you and, you know, I say, hey, Joe, we're going through some shit, man. 0.97

01:16:51.000 I kind of need your back.

01:16:52.000 I would assume that if a friend of yours called you, you're going to be like, dude, what do you need my help with?

01:16:55.000 What do we need to do?

01:16:56.000 And you'd go out and do it.

01:16:56.000 You just seem like the guy that you're a friend.

01:16:58.000 You're the guy that's going to back up your friend. 0.99

01:17:01.000 I think this is a real shit going on today. 0.99

01:17:03.000 I really think this is serious stuff with what's going on in America today. 0.99

01:17:06.000 What do you think is going on specifically that's incredibly serious?

01:17:10.000 Yeah, again, the censorship part that we already discussed.

01:17:15.000 What do you think can be done about that?

01:17:16.000 You think the only thing that can be done is some sort of competition platform?

01:17:20.000 I agree.

01:17:20.000 I think we need competition.

01:17:21.000 I need somebody to compete against the current ones because there's nobody.

01:17:25.000 But you know what happens when one of those things emerges?

01:17:28.000 What's that?

01:17:28.000 First of all, they say they're going to be uncensored, and then they get compromised because people jump on board and they say a bunch of reprehensible things on those platforms, whether it's some sort of agent provocateurs, right?

01:17:40.000 So you would have people from organizations that don't want that to succeed, and they would jump into that platform.

01:17:54.000 Yeah.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:18:07.000 Thing that Patrick started.

01:18:10.000 Or Joe started.

01:18:12.000 Yeah, but that's what they would do.

01:18:13.000 I get it.

01:18:13.000 That's what they would do.

01:18:14.000 I get what you're saying.

01:18:15.000 I think they've done that with Gab.

01:18:17.000 I think they've done that with some of these other social media networks.

01:18:20.000 I think for sure there's people that whenever you have something uncensored, like sort of a 4chan type deal, whenever you have one of those places and they're anonymous, like there was the thing we talked about yesterday with 8chan, with Colin.

01:18:33.000 When you have something like that, You're going to have people that hop in and say the wildest, most fucked up things because they're bored at work and they want to press buttons. 0.95

01:18:43.000 It's shitposting. 0.97

01:18:44.000 It's been around forever.

01:18:45.000 But bro, what's the alternative though?

01:18:47.000 Shitposting keeps other people from wanting to post on there.

01:18:50.000 What Twitter has done is create this environment where hostile dialogue is... 0.94

01:18:56.000 Commonplace.

01:18:57.000 Most of the dialogue that you find on Twitter is people being angry at someone, shitting on someone, making fun of someone, talking terrible about someone.

01:19:07.000 That's like a large percentage of it. 0.98

01:19:09.000 But they've eliminated the type of dialogue that you would see if you had a completely, like the fucking Hitler frogs and all that kind of stuff. 0.94

01:19:18.000 They've eliminated all the incredibly offensive stuff. 0.99

01:19:23.000 But meanwhile, they have hardcore porn, which is weird.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, very weird. 0.88

01:19:26.000 It just shows up.

01:19:27.000 Every now and then.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, every now and then.

01:19:29.000 What is that?

01:19:30.000 How does that happen?

01:19:31.000 They allow porn.

01:19:33.000 Twitter has no problem.

01:19:34.000 You can't deadname someone.

01:19:37.000 You can't call Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce Jenner, or you'll get kicked off the site for life. 0.99

01:19:41.000 But what you can do is show someone getting fucked. 0.99

01:19:45.000 I thought it was a joke the other day. 0.99

01:19:46.000 I was on Twitter.

01:19:47.000 I'm like, wait, what am I looking at right now? 0.95

01:19:48.000 Like hardcore porn. 0.93

01:19:50.000 Hardcore. 0.87

01:19:50.000 Yeah, they allow it there. 0.87

01:19:52.000 Penetration right there.

01:19:52.000 Well, I guess it's penetration over Trump.

01:19:54.000 That's what it is.

01:19:55.000 They would much rather have that.

01:19:56.000 You can have that.

01:19:57.000 You can have the Taliban. 0.91

01:19:58.000 No Trump.

01:19:59.000 No Trump.

01:20:00.000 So when you asked Jack, what did he say when you asked him about why Trump's not on?

01:20:04.000 Jack is a fascinating guy.

01:20:06.000 I enjoy talking to him.

01:20:07.000 I really do.

01:20:09.000 He's in a weird situation where they started this thing up and no one anticipated where it was going to go.

01:20:16.000 And there's parallels to that and this podcast in a lot of ways. 0.76

01:20:21.000 Obviously, Twitter is much larger than this podcast, but the parallels are when I started doing this podcast, it was just me and my friends talking shit with a laptop.

01:20:31.000 And then somewhere along the line, it became me interviewing presidential candidates and scientists and philosophers. 0.70

01:20:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:20:38.000 I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.98

01:20:39.000 It just kept doing it and eventually it became what it is. 0.98

01:20:42.000 But part of that is what happened with Twitter.

01:20:44.000 Twitter started out like...

01:20:45.000 Remember, if you know the early days of Twitter, you would write, like, at Jamie Vernon having a pizza.

01:20:53.000 Like, that's what people would do.

01:20:54.000 Going to have a pizza, that's what they would post.

01:20:56.000 They would post things like that.

01:20:58.000 And they would even do it kind of in the third person, like, at Jamie Vernon is going to have a pizza.

01:21:05.000 It was weird.

01:21:06.000 And then somewhere along the line, it became a way where Arab Spring came out of it.

01:21:10.000 And people used it for political movements.

01:21:13.000 They used it to overthrow governments.

01:21:14.000 They used it to expose news stories.

01:21:18.000 They used it for the Edward Snowden case and Glenn Greenwald.

01:21:21.000 Fantastic technology.

01:21:23.000 The only question is, do you think they should have competition?

01:21:26.000 Yes, they definitely should.

01:21:28.000 The question is, is it possible?

01:21:30.000 And here's the thing that's uncomfortable for people.

01:21:34.000 Is a certain amount of censorship necessary to keep order?

01:21:38.000 Or would you rather have, like, mad chaos?

01:21:41.000 And if it is, why is it only certain amount of...

01:21:45.000 Why is the porn thing still okay? 0.98

01:21:47.000 Nobody has a fucking problem with the porn thing. 0.99

01:21:49.000 I don't... 0.99

01:21:49.000 Let me be clear. 0.99

01:21:51.000 I'm not an anti-porn person.

01:21:52.000 I think you should be able to do whatever you want to do.

01:21:54.000 If you want to post that into your timeline, I don't think there's a problem with it.

01:21:58.000 I don't have a problem with it.

01:21:59.000 But I'm a grown man. 0.99

01:22:00.000 If my five-year-old daughter is going through a phone and she sees someone sucking someone's dick, I'd be like, whoa, I don't think she should see that. 0.99

01:22:09.000 Maybe she should not ever see Twitter? 0.99

01:22:11.000 What's the argument?

01:22:11.000 I don't understand their argument.

01:22:12.000 What is the argument for allowing porn there?

01:22:15.000 I don't think there is an argument.

01:22:16.000 I just think they never decided to censor it.

01:22:19.000 I've never heard it addressed.

01:22:21.000 I've never heard Twitter addressing hardcore porn.

01:22:24.000 A ban on porn?

01:22:25.000 Is this new?

01:22:26.000 From day one, our mission has been to decrease the demand for porn through education and awareness using science facts and personal accounts.

01:22:33.000 Well, that's not going to work.

01:22:35.000 This is Twitter?

01:22:36.000 This is an article about why there's porn on Twitter.

01:22:40.000 Twitter.

01:22:41.000 Hey, go back to that, please.

01:22:42.000 Where it was?

01:22:42.000 Right there?

01:22:43.000 Right where you were?

01:22:44.000 Right here.

01:22:45.000 Yeah, okay.

01:22:46.000 Here it says, maybe you're wondering if we agree with Twitter's policy update.

01:22:49.000 If porn is so bad, negatively impacting a person's brain, chasing sexual taste to be more aggressive, harming relationships, negatively affecting mental health and more, wouldn't it be better to ban it?

01:23:01.000 We are passionate about sparking new conversations and changing porn culture.

01:23:06.000 But the short answer is no.

01:23:07.000 Even though we are an anti-porn organization, we are not trying to ban porn, and here's why.

01:23:14.000 That's interesting.

01:23:15.000 I think they should apply that same logic to speech that they don't agree with.

01:23:19.000 They should apply that same logic to right-wing ideology.

01:23:22.000 Fully agree with you.

01:23:23.000 I think they should apply that to everything.

01:23:24.000 Look, I am a firm believer that the answer to bad speech is better speech.

01:23:29.000 I think all those people that were banned, whether it's Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex Jones, or all those people should be on Twitter.

01:23:34.000 I think they should be on Twitter, and if they want to get in arguments with people, and if people want to disagree with them, there should be a robust exchange of ideas.

01:23:42.000 Good banter.

01:23:42.000 Yes.

01:23:43.000 And even trash talking, by the way. 0.99

01:23:44.000 Look at the trash talking, because even some of those are good trolls and pushback. 1.00

01:23:48.000 Now, if they have enemies, and they want to dox their enemies and say, hey, you know, 35 Millfield Lane, this is where Mike lives, fuck him. 1.00

01:23:55.000 Ban them. 1.00

01:23:56.000 No, no, that's criminal.

01:23:58.000 That's criminal.

01:23:58.000 But that's where the line should be.

01:24:00.000 Not in opinions.

01:24:02.000 What do you do when media companies do that?

01:24:03.000 Because that happened last year with some of the media companies, giving up addresses of some folks on Fox.

01:24:08.000 Yes, yes.

01:24:09.000 That's criminal.

01:24:09.000 Yeah, well, that was the thing where Tucker stepped out ahead of it and exposed the photographer and the writer who was writing a story about him.

01:24:18.000 Well, he felt he had to.

01:24:19.000 Have you had Tucker here?

01:24:20.000 No, I haven't.

01:24:21.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.000 Two people would be interesting right now.

01:24:25.000 Nicki Minaj, has she reached out at all or no?

01:24:27.000 No, I'd reach out to Nicki though. 0.99

01:24:28.000 I want to talk about them testicles. 0.99

01:24:32.000 I like her. 0.99

01:24:33.000 Well, I mean, obviously she's a very talented artist. 0.74

01:24:35.000 I think Nick and Tucker would be...

01:24:37.000 By the way, in the area of unifying, like, you know, when 9-11, we had one of our guys, Gerard, we're doing a podcast.

01:24:46.000 Next thing you know, he gets emotional.

01:24:47.000 He's a Jersey guy.

01:24:47.000 He's from New York.

01:24:48.000 And he said, you know, he talked about what happened during 9-11.

01:24:51.000 20 years ago, you know, the whole 20-year anniversary, he says...

01:24:54.000 In New York, we didn't care if you were white, black, Democrat, Republican.

01:24:57.000 We were just worried.

01:24:58.000 How are your kids doing?

01:24:58.000 How's the family doing?

01:24:59.000 That event united, right?

01:25:01.000 Yes.

01:25:02.000 We thought, you know, COVID was going to unite because the common enemy was going to be China. 0.85

01:25:08.000 It did at first.

01:25:09.000 It did at first.

01:25:09.000 But I don't think the common enemy was China.

01:25:11.000 The common enemy was the virus, right?

01:25:12.000 In the beginning, we thought that we didn't think it was coming from China like from a lab.

01:25:17.000 In the beginning, most people thought it was something that got released from nature and that it was a pandemic that was just sweeping the world.

01:25:22.000 It didn't take long until that one Asian doctor came out, one Chinese doctor came out who was a virologist.

01:25:27.000 I had her on.

01:25:28.000 I don't remember her.

01:25:29.000 She came on and she said, you know, here's what happened.

01:25:32.000 Here's where it was released.

01:25:34.000 And she kept getting blocked.

01:25:35.000 That's another interview that after two days was taken down.

01:25:37.000 And then now her article came back.

01:25:39.000 She was right when she talked about it.

01:25:41.000 About four or five months later, we were kind of like, it could be China, right?

01:25:44.000 That's a big argument against censorship, right?

01:25:47.000 Because all these social media platforms was blocking the lab leak theory, which turned out to be true.

01:25:52.000 Until Jon Stewart on Stephen Colbert is like, what do you mean this is not?

01:25:56.000 We can't even question that?

01:25:57.000 It took a comedian to do that.

01:25:59.000 It took a little bit of that, but it also took him, Trump getting out of office.

01:26:04.000 And then it took Rand Paul questioning Fauci in front of Congress.

01:26:07.000 That was a big one.

01:26:08.000 When he was questioning Fauci about gain-of-function research.

01:26:11.000 And it turns out Fauci lied.

01:26:13.000 He lied in front of Congress.

01:26:15.000 And the new emails that have been released recently pretty much prove that.

01:26:21.000 And it's terrifying.

01:26:23.000 There's no pushback at all from the left.

01:26:25.000 And they won't even take questions about it.

01:26:28.000 In fact, Jen Psaki in one of those White House press secretary conversations, she dismissed it.

01:26:34.000 Just walked off.

01:26:35.000 Not even addressing it.

01:26:38.000 The problem is if you say, yeah, we think what he did was wrong and we don't like him anymore.

01:26:44.000 Now that's another one that you've lost, right?

01:26:47.000 You lost Cuomo and now you lost Fauci as well.

01:26:50.000 These are very important chess pieces that we're moving around here.

01:26:53.000 Fauci is probably the most important one when it comes to the pandemic.

01:26:56.000 What Cuomo had done, Isn't anywhere near what some other politicians have done.

01:27:02.000 Listen, I'm not sitting here defending Cuomo. 0.97

01:27:04.000 Yeah, but what he did do that was fucked was the nursing home stuff. 0.97

01:27:10.000 Putting these people with COVID back in a nursing home and hid. 0.98

01:27:14.000 The new governor came out and said that he hid 12,000 deaths.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:19.000 No question about that, but that's not why they took him out, though.

01:27:22.000 They took him out more targeting the Me Too than they did the other stuff.

01:27:26.000 But do you think that they did that?

01:27:27.000 To protect themselves against...

01:27:29.000 I wonder.

01:27:30.000 Yeah, that's a good question.

01:27:31.000 Very good question.

01:27:32.000 Because there's a sacrifice that has to be made. 0.99

01:27:34.000 If you're going to look at deaths versus grabbing ass... 0.99

01:27:38.000 Like, both of them are bad. 0.99

01:27:39.000 One of them's way worse. 0.99

01:27:40.000 The 12,000 deaths that he hit, that's a much more egregious offense than doing creepy shit that politicians have been doing since the beginning of time. 0.96

01:27:48.000 So you would say the biggest difference between a Cuomo and a Newsom is there is lives on... 0.97

01:27:56.000 He's got blood on his hand and Newsom doesn't.

01:27:59.000 Yes.

01:27:59.000 Giant difference.

01:28:00.000 Look, as much as Newsom is, you know... 1.00

01:28:03.000 He's a fucking politician. 1.00

01:28:05.000 He's a slicked-hair politician. 1.00

01:28:07.000 Like, literally.

01:28:07.000 He's a slick politician.

01:28:09.000 He's got his fucking hair slicked. 1.00

01:28:11.000 Good-looking guy. 1.00

01:28:12.000 Yeah, good-looking guy.

01:28:13.000 Tall. 1.00

01:28:14.000 He talks like a fucking salesman. 1.00

01:28:18.000 He's not nearly as bad as Cuomo. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Not nearly.

01:28:20.000 What Cuomo did with the nursing home.

01:28:22.000 No, no, no.

01:28:23.000 I agree.

01:28:23.000 That's horrendous.

01:28:25.000 I agree.

01:28:25.000 But, you know, when you got the President Obama coming in, they're making videos for you and campaigning for you, and none of them are talking about your track record.

01:28:32.000 They're just talking about the fact that Larry Elder could be potentially this and potentially that.

01:28:36.000 The new Trump.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, the new Trump.

01:28:38.000 And you're from California.

01:28:39.000 I lived in California 24 years after I came to the States.

01:28:41.000 You're from Germany and Iran.

01:28:42.000 I lived in California.

01:28:43.000 I love California.

01:28:45.000 And there's a lot of my friends.

01:28:47.000 What do you think is going to happen next?

01:28:49.000 Because, you know, this is the one part that I'm curious with you.

01:28:53.000 You left LA, Woodland Hills, Bell Canyon, you came to Austin, right?

01:28:58.000 And Moscow also left, and he went to Austin as well.

01:29:02.000 I mean, this is like one of the places to be in America today.

01:29:04.000 Do you think there was a community of people who didn't want to move They're kind of like, yeah, I don't know.

01:29:10.000 I think it's going to change.

01:29:11.000 We just need a new governor. 1.00

01:29:13.000 Do you think now that Newsom's in, now they're like, shit. 1.00

01:29:17.000 There's a lot of people that are going to move. 0.99

01:29:18.000 I agree.

01:29:19.000 I think the mass exodus hasn't started yet.

01:29:21.000 Well, it's going to get worse.

01:29:22.000 This is what I think.

01:29:23.000 I think the things that bother people the most about California are the homelessness, the traffic, The taxes and the overreach of government.

01:29:33.000 All those things are not going to get better.

01:29:35.000 They're going to get worse.

01:29:35.000 And that's how you saw immediately after Newsom won the recall, he immediately implements the vaccine passport thing.

01:29:43.000 I think what you're going to have is a bunch of people that realize that the grass is greener.

01:29:49.000 That you can live in a place where there's less people, whether you go to Nashville, anywhere you go.

01:29:55.000 California has some amazing weather.

01:29:57.000 There's some great people.

01:29:59.000 It's very open-minded in some ways.

01:30:02.000 Politically, it's very locked up in a lot of ways.

01:30:05.000 People are very, I don't want to say brainwashed, but there's no better term for it.

01:30:10.000 They literally have this perspective on anybody who's Republican or anybody who's right wing. 1.00

01:30:15.000 They have to be a knuckle-dragging moron. 1.00

01:30:17.000 I mean, they're like blue no matter who. 1.00

01:30:20.000 I mean, that's just a big part of what California's all about.

01:30:23.000 But the untenable things, the unchangeable things, like the homelessness situation, has gotten so out of control.

01:30:31.000 And then you find out the amount of people that work On the homelessness, like how many people have a job that's involved and how much money they make.

01:30:40.000 There's people that are working on homelessness in California that are making a quarter million dollars a year and nothing's changing.

01:30:46.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:30:47.000 Oh yeah.

01:30:48.000 There's a whole list.

01:30:49.000 There's a list of people that work On the homelessness, like whatever the board is called, it's a giant list of people.

01:30:57.000 All of them are making six figures.

01:30:58.000 And nothing's happening.

01:30:59.000 Not only is it not happening, the budget gets bigger every year and the amount of homeless increase.

01:31:04.000 Now obviously the economy is sinking.

01:31:07.000 Obviously we're dealing with a pandemic that put a lot of people out of work and made a lot of people homeless.

01:31:11.000 There's a lot of extenuating circumstances that were out of their control.

01:31:15.000 But at the end of the day, my friend Coleon Noir, do you know who he is?

01:31:18.000 Of course, I had him on.

01:31:19.000 He's great.

01:31:20.000 Coleon explained it to me.

01:31:22.000 He's like, I thought it was a funding problem.

01:31:24.000 He goes, but I talked to a lawyer in San Francisco that explained the whole thing to me, and he said, no, no, no.

01:31:29.000 There's no value in fixing this.

01:31:32.000 There's so many people that are making a shitload of money that work on fixing the homeless crisis.

01:31:38.000 And there's a large list of these people.

01:31:41.000 Do we still have that list?

01:31:44.000 Do you know where that list is?

01:31:45.000 I mean, the list is crazy.

01:31:47.000 It's like a quarter million.

01:31:48.000 By the way, you know what's weird is, the first thing when Newsom won and he put a tweet out that he won, hey, let's get back to work and make it great, you know, some kind of a message like that, right?

01:32:02.000 First thing I did is I went and saw the response to his tweet just to see what his supporters are saying, right?

01:32:08.000 Meaning what they voted for.

01:32:09.000 And it wasn't close, by the way, 63.9%.

01:32:12.000 So it wasn't a close call.

01:32:14.000 They got 5 million more Democrats in that state than Republicans. 0.67

01:32:18.000 And you saw his supporters saying things like...

01:32:21.000 So happy for you.

01:32:23.000 Can we now please make masks and vaccine cards mandatory everywhere?

01:32:28.000 And then, by the way, it wasn't one or two or three or four or five.

01:32:31.000 It was like back to back to back to back to back with people asking for that, which means that's what the state is asking folks there.

01:32:39.000 How do you exist in California if you're a Republican?

01:32:42.000 How do you exist in California?

01:32:43.000 How do you live in California if you're a capitalist, free thinker, you kind of want to be left alone, and maybe you're not planning on taking a vaccine?

01:32:49.000 What do you do with that?

01:32:50.000 What do you do with school?

01:32:51.000 What do you do with kids going?

01:32:52.000 Do you do homeschooling?

01:32:53.000 There's so many factors there for families.

01:32:56.000 They don't want to move.

01:32:57.000 They've got their whole families.

01:32:58.000 It's not easy for people to move.

01:33:00.000 It's a very tough move to make for many people.

01:33:02.000 There's a problem in these methods that they're encouraging, right?

01:33:09.000 Masking, vaccine, passports, mandates, all these different things.

01:33:14.000 The problem with these methods is that we're not really sure if that's going to do the job.

01:33:20.000 Right.

01:33:20.000 If you look at Israel, Israel has more people vaccinated than anywhere.

01:33:24.000 They have an incredibly high vaccination rate.

01:33:27.000 And then they're finding now the people with the vaccines, the vaccines are effective at stopping people from dying.

01:33:36.000 They're effective at keeping people from getting really sick.

01:33:38.000 But they wane in efficacy over time.

01:33:41.000 So now they're not even considering it vaccinated unless you have three shots.

01:33:46.000 Now you have to be three shots to be fully vaccinated.

01:33:51.000 And we're looking at a future that doesn't have a clear path.

01:33:58.000 Maybe there'll be a new therapy that they invent.

01:34:02.000 Maybe there'll be a new thing that if you get COVID, you just take this, whether you're vaccinated or not, and that's going to kill it.

01:34:10.000 That's going to cure it.

01:34:11.000 We don't really have that yet.

01:34:13.000 And I wonder what the world's gonna look like in a year, in two years, when we're taking four shots, five shots, six shots.

01:34:22.000 I don't know.

01:34:23.000 I don't know where that's gonna go.

01:34:25.000 I don't know if it's clear.

01:34:27.000 And some things that we know to be effective are not being encouraged.

01:34:32.000 There's no encouragement of vitamin supplementation, particularly vitamin D. There's no encouragement of exercise and losing weight, which is a huge factor, a huge factor in COVID morbidities or comorbidities, rather.

01:34:47.000 This thing where the pharmaceutical companies are your only way out is not real.

01:34:54.000 It's one of the only ways out.

01:34:56.000 It's one of the major tools to help us get out of this pandemic.

01:35:01.000 It's not the only tool.

01:35:02.000 So when everyone's like, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, yes, but also fitness, but also diet, But also therapeutics.

01:35:12.000 But also, there's a lot of things.

01:35:14.000 This Regeneron stuff that I took.

01:35:16.000 The monoclonal antibodies are making it more difficult to get for some reason in some places.

01:35:20.000 Why though?

01:35:21.000 I have no idea.

01:35:22.000 I think to encourage vaccine use.

01:35:24.000 But why?

01:35:25.000 So again, this is going back to the control deal.

01:35:27.000 Maybe it might be a supply issue though, too.

01:35:29.000 I don't know.

01:35:29.000 I don't know how much of that stuff is available.

01:35:31.000 How much of the...

01:35:32.000 Regeneron.

01:35:33.000 Oh, that's a good point.

01:35:33.000 The monoclonal antibodies is available.

01:35:35.000 I don't know if there's a surplus, if there's a...

01:35:39.000 If there's not enough, I don't know.

01:35:42.000 What are you doing, Jimmy?

01:35:43.000 Playing Hitler speeches in the background?

01:35:45.000 What was that?

01:35:47.000 DeSantis hammers Biden administration for limiting Florida's use of monoclonal antibodies.

01:35:51.000 What?

01:35:53.000 What?

01:35:55.000 Good for you.

01:35:56.000 They're limiting the use.

01:35:57.000 Why would they do that?

01:35:58.000 This guy is not backing down.

01:36:00.000 Okay.

01:36:01.000 DeSantis hammered Biden administration for overhauling the distribution of monoclonal antibodies in a way that will severely hamper the treatments of availability in several Republican-controlled states.

01:36:11.000 Wow.

01:36:11.000 Why would you do that?

01:36:14.000 Why would you limit the amount?

01:36:16.000 Department of Health and Human Services alarmed authorities in several southern red states.

01:36:21.000 Why do you even have to say that?

01:36:23.000 What does that have to do with anything?

01:36:24.000 Where the antibodies are widely used. 0.99

01:36:26.000 They should be fucking used everywhere. 0.99

01:36:28.000 They work. 0.99

01:36:28.000 After announcing Monday that the agency would be changing how the COVID-19 treatment is distributed... 0.99

01:36:34.000 Previously, distribution sites could order the antibody treatments directly from the supplier.

01:36:38.000 Now, the federal government will decide how many doses each state will receive and leave it to state governments to ration it out among locations.

01:36:47.000 DeSantis warned that HHS's new equitable distribution plan for monoclonal antibodies is very, very problematic and warned patients are going to suffer as a result of this.

01:37:05.000 Wow.

01:37:05.000 DeSantis is not backing down, though.

01:37:07.000 You heard what he said.

01:37:07.000 If any business forces their employees to take the vaccine, he's given $5,000 fines.

01:37:11.000 Yeah, this is what scares me, though, is that.

01:37:15.000 That scares me because that stuff works.

01:37:18.000 See, if they wanted something that treats patients in a very effective way, that stuff works.

01:37:25.000 I did it.

01:37:25.000 I took that stuff.

01:37:26.000 It works.

01:37:28.000 Three days.

01:37:28.000 You recovered three days later.

01:37:30.000 Three days later I was feeling pretty fucking good and I was negative two days after that. 0.91

01:37:33.000 Did you feel pretty shitty at one point or no? 0.98

01:37:35.000 One day I felt shitty.

01:37:37.000 Okay.

01:37:37.000 But I've felt that way before with the flu.

01:37:39.000 It was just cold sweats and, you know, it wasn't good.

01:37:44.000 But it wasn't the worst I've ever felt, but I'm in shape, and I work out a lot, and I eat well, and I take a lot of vitamins, and I was prepared.

01:37:53.000 It's not a good thing to get.

01:37:56.000 I'm not encouraging anyone to get COVID. It's dangerous.

01:37:59.000 It's not fun.

01:38:01.000 But what I am saying is monoclonal antibodies, along with all the other stuff that I took...

01:38:06.000 It all was very effective.

01:38:07.000 What are you telling your friends from New York and LA when they're calling and they're saying, hey, you know, Joe, I'm thinking about moving. 0.98

01:38:13.000 I go, get out of that communist shithole. 0.96

01:38:15.000 Are you really saying that? 0.99

01:38:15.000 Fuck yeah. 0.99

01:38:16.000 Really? 1.00

01:38:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:16.000 So you're encouraging people to leave. 1.00

01:38:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:38:18.000 All my friends in California, I make fun of them.

01:38:20.000 I go, what's it like living in communist California?

01:38:23.000 Amazing.

01:38:24.000 This article says that there's a shortage.

01:38:26.000 Oh, federal government limits sales, state supply of monoclonal antibody treatments.

01:38:31.000 Where does it say shortage?

01:38:32.000 Right here.

01:38:32.000 Shortage?

01:38:33.000 Where?

01:38:33.000 First word.

01:38:34.000 Yeah, but what does that mean?

01:38:35.000 They limit supplies.

01:38:36.000 It doesn't mean there's a shortage.

01:38:38.000 I just read through it.

01:38:38.000 No, they're limiting the supplies.

01:38:40.000 In Kentucky, they're trying to get some, and they couldn't.

01:38:42.000 Who makes it, though?

01:38:43.000 Who sells it?

01:38:44.000 Regeneron is the name of it.

01:38:46.000 It's made by...

01:38:47.000 I forget the pharmaceutical company that makes it.

01:38:49.000 There's two companies on here that are making this one, and they're allocating it to people who are... 1.00

01:38:52.000 Just make more, you fucks! 1.00

01:38:53.000 Well... 1.00

01:38:54.000 This is what's crazy.

01:38:55.000 Like, make more.

01:38:57.000 It's possible to make more of that.

01:38:59.000 Isn't that what capitalists do?

01:39:00.000 I mean, that's the same thing they do with vaccines, right?

01:39:02.000 The thing is, they don't want to encourage anything that could potentially discourage vaccine or cause vaccine hesitancy.

01:39:11.000 The mandate is get the vaccine into everybody.

01:39:15.000 That's what they want.

01:39:16.000 How weird does it have to be to be an athlete today?

01:39:19.000 Did you see what Bill Belichick said the other day?

01:39:22.000 They asked him about the vaccine.

01:39:24.000 He says, look, we have a lot of people that have the vaccine and they ended up getting COVID. And we have some players that don't want to get the vaccine.

01:39:30.000 And he says, so those who don't have it sometimes are staying stronger than those who have it.

01:39:36.000 Those who did take the vaccine.

01:39:38.000 Then the guy asked a question from Bill.

01:39:40.000 He says, can you tell us which one of your athletes haven't taken the vaccine?

01:39:44.000 He had the audacity to ask him the question.

01:39:46.000 Bill's answer.

01:39:47.000 That's private.

01:39:48.000 That's for the players.

01:39:49.000 That's not for the public.

01:39:50.000 Of course it is.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, but the fact that they asked the question.

01:39:53.000 Ken, why don't you tell us who the players are?

01:39:55.000 But that's their business, right?

01:39:56.000 They're looking for fish.

01:39:57.000 If you're looking for fish, you go, hey, you seen any fish?

01:39:59.000 Where's the fish jumping?

01:40:00.000 They're over there.

01:40:00.000 These are fishermen, right?

01:40:02.000 That's what they're fishing for.

01:40:03.000 It makes sense.

01:40:05.000 That's what they do.

01:40:07.000 Michael Chandler is a UFC lightweight contender and he's in the process of this thing right now because he discussed not being able to fight in New York City.

01:40:18.000 It turns out he can fight in New York City.

01:40:22.000 In order to be in attendance for his fight, you have to be vaccinated, which is kind of crazy.

01:40:27.000 But an athlete from out of state is allowed to compete.

01:40:30.000 They can't mandate what happens to these athletes from out of state.

01:40:34.000 The crazy thing is, they're not taking into consideration at all this, air quotes, hashtag, natural immunity.

01:40:42.000 Meaning not that some people are just immune to the disease.

01:40:45.000 But that people who have recovered from the disease have a natural immunity.

01:40:50.000 They have antibodies to the disease that are 6 to 13 times better than the actual Pfizer vaccine.

01:40:56.000 This is all from this study that came out of Israel.

01:40:59.000 They're not taking that into consideration at all.

01:41:01.000 If they were, it would make sense.

01:41:03.000 If they said, this is a three-tiered approach.

01:41:05.000 We want Say if you're going to do, like, I've got a show at Madison Square Garden, and unfortunately, everyone has to be vaccinated for my show.

01:41:12.000 I can't do anything about it.

01:41:13.000 This is the state.

01:41:15.000 This is the city.

01:41:16.000 I don't have to be.

01:41:17.000 No, I don't have to be.

01:41:18.000 But here's my position.

01:41:20.000 If you are going to do that, that doesn't mean those people are COVID-free.

01:41:23.000 I have a friend who had COVID, and he gave it to 12 other people I know.

01:41:27.000 He gave it to a bunch of people, and two of them, also vaccinated, wound up in the hospital.

01:41:31.000 It's not a guarantee, if you're vaccinated, that you're going to not be sick, and that you're not going to be contagious.

01:41:39.000 So you have this entire room of people, thousands and thousands of people that are vaccinated, which gives them a certain amount of protection, but does not eliminate the idea that they're going to be sick.

01:41:50.000 Joe, are you negotiating your contract when you're saying, I'll perform, but I'm not going to take the vaccine?

01:41:54.000 No, this was a long time ago.

01:41:56.000 Like, I booked this two years ago.

01:41:58.000 I got it.

01:41:58.000 And then it got canceled because of this.

01:42:00.000 It got rescheduled.

01:42:01.000 And then, now, very recently, de Blasio decides to make this overreach.

01:42:08.000 Now, here's the thing about the overreach.

01:42:10.000 This is what I'm saying.

01:42:11.000 If you wanted to test everybody, I'm all for that.

01:42:14.000 I'm all for that.

01:42:14.000 That's logical.

01:42:15.000 If you wanted to say anyone with antibodies or vaccination...

01:42:21.000 Okay, I'm all for that, too.

01:42:22.000 That's less good than testing everyone.

01:42:25.000 I think testing everyone is number one, right?

01:42:27.000 That would be the best thing to do.

01:42:29.000 The second best thing to do would be to say, if you have antibodies or if you've been vaccinated, you're okay.

01:42:37.000 But they're not doing that.

01:42:38.000 It's vaccination.

01:42:40.000 It's one single-minded, solitary approach.

01:42:44.000 How many comedians today, and because Nicki Minaj said, she said, they're asking me to get the vaccine.

01:42:50.000 She says, I'm probably going to end up getting it because to go on tour, I have to be vaccinated, is what she said on that one 14-minute live that she did.

01:42:57.000 She probably thinks that.

01:42:58.000 But she's got a different situation.

01:43:00.000 She's not a comedian, right?

01:43:02.000 She's a performer, yeah. 1.00

01:43:03.000 But because she's a performer, she's working with a lot of people.

01:43:06.000 So in order to ensure, like say if you're in a band, like my friend is in a band, and he's on tour right now, and when he's in this band, they have a bubble.

01:43:15.000 No one's allowed to go anywhere, they all get vaccinated, and everyone stays together.

01:43:20.000 And so they all get tested, and they have to deal with this bubble.

01:43:24.000 If I'm traveling, I travel with one or two other people.

01:43:27.000 I travel with my friends.

01:43:29.000 If we're doing a show together, there's three of us.

01:43:32.000 We test each other.

01:43:34.000 I bring tests, by the way.

01:43:36.000 I test everybody.

01:43:37.000 And then we go do a show.

01:43:39.000 But if you're in a band or you're a performer on stage, there might be 30, 40 people in that production.

01:43:45.000 There might be a large group of people, including managers, agents.

01:43:49.000 There's all these people on the set.

01:43:51.000 There might be an insurance clause that forces some people to be vaccinated.

01:43:55.000 Similar to probably the movie, the sets that they're doing, you know, where everybody who's doing shoots, they have to be vaccinated.

01:44:00.000 Exactly.

01:44:00.000 So some of these smaller comedians, one of the guys locally in Fort Lauderdale, she had this tour, like 10 cities she was going, a smaller person that's going through places.

01:44:10.000 And she was asked at half of these locations to be vaccinated or else she can't perform. 0.94

01:44:15.000 What happens if, like right now, Fauci said last week, I think he said, I think airlines should mandate, what do you call it, vaccination passports.

01:44:25.000 That's what Fauci said like a week and a half ago.

01:44:28.000 What happens if that's the direction we go?

01:44:30.000 What is somebody that doesn't want to get the vaccine?

01:44:31.000 Well, people are going to start taking the bus. 1.00

01:44:32.000 It's fucked. 0.98

01:44:33.000 You know, I mean, people are going to take the train everywhere. 1.00

01:44:35.000 Greyhound's going to take off, I guess.

01:44:36.000 I mean, what can you do if you're not vaccinated?

01:44:38.000 And some people can't get vaccinated, right?

01:44:40.000 Some people have like serious autoimmune issues and...

01:44:44.000 You know, I don't know.

01:44:45.000 It's a real good question.

01:44:46.000 It's a real good question.

01:44:47.000 Because, again, the vaccine passport does not take into account people that have recovered from COVID who have better immunity than people who have been vaccinated.

01:44:57.000 It's not logical.

01:44:59.000 But people are stepping in line to support it, and they're stepping in line to shame other people that haven't been vaccinated.

01:45:07.000 And it doesn't encourage people to do it.

01:45:09.000 I can't believe it.

01:45:10.000 It just makes people angry. 1.00

01:45:11.000 I've never seen anybody convert another person by calling them an idiot. 0.99

01:45:14.000 I've never seen it. 0.99

01:45:15.000 I've never seen it. 1.00

01:45:16.000 Hey, you ought to consider my ideas because if you don't, you're a moron. 1.00

01:45:18.000 It doesn't work. 1.00

01:45:19.000 But that's the situation today.

01:45:22.000 It's the right situation.

01:45:22.000 Do you think there's any chance that we can unify America today?

01:45:25.000 Remember how the whole 9-11 conversation we were having and we talked about COVID and we said China.

01:45:30.000 You said we didn't know.

01:45:30.000 At first it was China and then we went to Fauci and Rand Paul and all the stuff that came back.

01:45:35.000 Yeah.

01:45:35.000 Do you think...

01:45:36.000 Do you think anything can happen that America can get united again?

01:45:40.000 Or do you think it's the tipping point, it's just not going to come around?

01:45:42.000 No, I think it's entirely possible that we can bring it back around.

01:45:47.000 I think it's totally possible.

01:45:48.000 But something major has to happen.

01:45:52.000 Something has to happen with our culture.

01:45:54.000 Something has to happen with our decisions that we make about the way we communicate with each other.

01:45:59.000 Because right now, people are just becoming more and more polarizing.

01:46:02.000 Like we were talking about Don Lemon on TV telling people to shame people and all that. 0.98

01:46:06.000 That's foolish talk.

01:46:07.000 That's not the talk of an enlightened, intelligent person that wants the world to be a better place. 0.98

01:46:11.000 That's the talk of a person who wants people to listen to what he has to say and hasn't thought it through.

01:46:17.000 And that kind of thinking and that kind of speech, it just leads to more division.

01:46:22.000 It's not going to help anybody.

01:46:23.000 And you've got a lot of that right now.

01:46:25.000 There's a lot of noise.

01:46:26.000 And there's a lot of unwise people that are speaking about these things.

01:46:32.000 And they haven't thought about the greater good in terms of the future of this country and the way we talk to each other.

01:46:40.000 If we encourage polarization, if we encourage this divide, it's just going to make things worse.

01:46:45.000 If we encourage communication and love and friendship and we encourage community, encourage talking to each other, Then we have a chance.

01:46:57.000 Then we have a chance of realizing we're all incredibly fortunate.

01:47:01.000 You know this because you come from Iran. 0.81

01:47:03.000 You come from another country. 1.00

01:47:05.000 When you look at the options that are available to people in other countries versus the options that are available for people in America, it's still a very unique place.

01:47:13.000 Historically, it's unprecedented.

01:47:15.000 There's never been a place like this before.

01:47:16.000 It's an amazing place to be.

01:47:18.000 We are extremely, extremely lucky to be able to do what we do in the United States of America.

01:47:24.000 What I saw in California was an erosion of freedom. 0.98

01:47:27.000 I saw these draconian measures being taken into consideration, and I saw it getting worse and worse, and I got the fuck out of there. 0.98

01:47:34.000 And that's why I came to Texas. 0.99

01:47:36.000 And when I came to Texas, one of the first things I did, I had dinner with the governor and I talked to him.

01:47:40.000 And his positions on these things are you got to let people run their businesses.

01:47:43.000 You got to let people live their lives.

01:47:45.000 You got to let people make their own decisions.

01:47:47.000 And this is not a good thing, like this virus.

01:47:50.000 This is not good.

01:47:51.000 But we're going to do our best to protect the people that are vulnerable.

01:47:53.000 And we're going to do our best to allow people to have the freedom to live their life the way they choose.

01:47:58.000 Kudos to him.

01:47:59.000 Kudos to him.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, kudos to him.

01:48:00.000 I loved what he said about that.

01:48:02.000 It meant a lot to me, and this seems like home.

01:48:04.000 And since then, I've been nothing but happy here.

01:48:07.000 I think that freedom and independence are very, very important. 1.00

01:48:12.000 There's a lot of people that are like, fuck your freedom. 1.00

01:48:14.000 They're like, fuck your freedom. 1.00

01:48:16.000 You know, we're in a pandemic. 1.00

01:48:17.000 Never fuck your freedom. 1.00

01:48:18.000 Never. 1.00

01:48:19.000 You heard when Arnold said, screw your freedom.

01:48:21.000 Yes, so did Howard Stern.

01:48:22.000 A lot of people did.

01:48:23.000 There's quite a few people that I respect that said that.

01:48:26.000 I don't agree with them.

01:48:27.000 But I think they're just lashing out.

01:48:29.000 They're angry.

01:48:29.000 They're angry at people.

01:48:30.000 They want to go outside.

01:48:31.000 They don't want to be stuck in this pandemic.

01:48:33.000 But it's complicated.

01:48:34.000 And maybe they haven't looked at it or read as many papers as I have.

01:48:38.000 I don't know.

01:48:39.000 Are they in too deep?

01:48:40.000 With the establishment?

01:48:41.000 Yeah, they're so in too deep with the party that's like, hey, we just had a party at the house.

01:48:44.000 All the main people showed up to my party.

01:48:46.000 I just invited them last week.

01:48:48.000 I don't want to disrespect these guys, so I have to support what they believe in.

01:48:51.000 It's like loyalty to your friends.

01:48:52.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

01:48:53.000 My friends are wild fucks. 0.99

01:48:55.000 I just met some of your guys out there. 0.99

01:48:56.000 I like your friends.

01:48:57.000 If those guys are your friends, I like your friends.

01:48:59.000 I've got good friends.

01:49:00.000 But they're wild people.

01:49:02.000 I'm friends with comedians and jujitsu guys and a lot of veterans.

01:49:08.000 I like wild people.

01:49:10.000 I like people that have experienced life and people that take chances and people that don't necessarily believe that the way the world is run right now is the only way to run the world.

01:49:21.000 That you can...

01:49:22.000 You could have a better way of life.

01:49:25.000 You could allow people to have freedom.

01:49:27.000 You could still have order.

01:49:29.000 You can be kind to each other.

01:49:30.000 You still disagree with each other and still be friends.

01:49:33.000 I have friends that are basically socialists and I have friends that are hardcore Republicans and I get along with all of them.

01:49:41.000 And this is a skill that I've developed over time.

01:49:44.000 This is not something that was inherent.

01:49:47.000 It's not something I was born with, the ability to talk to people and disagree with them but still be friends.

01:49:52.000 It's something I developed.

01:49:53.000 I worked on it very hard.

01:49:54.000 What do you have to go first?

01:49:55.000 Is it a lack of judgment?

01:49:56.000 Is that what goes first?

01:49:58.000 No, because you judge people. 0.99

01:49:59.000 I still judge the fuck out of people. 0.98

01:50:00.000 That's part of being a comedian. 0.89

01:50:02.000 But it's being nice is one thing, but also it's recognizing that you are not your ideas.

01:50:08.000 You're a human being.

01:50:09.000 You're not your ideas.

01:50:10.000 And so many people are married to their ideas.

01:50:12.000 And when you argue against their ideas, they think you're arguing against their very existence, against them as a person.

01:50:18.000 And they fight like those ideas are a part of them, like you're trying to take away their hand. 0.71

01:50:25.000 It's a foolish way to look at the world, I think.

01:50:28.000 And it's a way we're taught early on growing up. 0.96

01:50:31.000 You're taught to argue.

01:50:32.000 If you win the argument, you're good. 1.00

01:50:34.000 If you lose the argument, you're fucked. 0.99

01:50:38.000 I've learned from doing this podcast in particular that you're way better off being completely separate from your ideas and looking at your ideas the same way you would look at a lighter. 1.00

01:50:49.000 Like, I'm not going to defend this lighter.

01:50:51.000 It's a lie.

01:50:52.000 I didn't make it.

01:50:53.000 Seems good.

01:50:53.000 I don't know.

01:50:54.000 But if you say that lighter sucks and here's why, I'm going to go, well, tell me why.

01:50:57.000 And then you go, well, because it releases certain gases in the air and it's actually baffling.

01:51:01.000 I'm like, oh, really?

01:51:02.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:51:03.000 So I thought that lighter was good, but it turns out that lighter's bad.

01:51:06.000 I mean, not this lighter.

01:51:07.000 This lighter's fine.

01:51:08.000 But, you know, what you think about a thing and the way you think about an object and the way you think about an idea, that's not you.

01:51:16.000 What you are is this conscious life form that's experiencing this incredibly fascinating and complex world around you. 0.85

01:51:25.000 And you will cling to things, and you will think of those things as being a part of your identity, whether they're the suits you wear, or the way you talk, or the ideology that you espouse, or the diet that you have, or even the martial arts that you choose, like the fucking kind of phone you use.

01:51:41.000 People will argue Android versus Apple.

01:51:44.000 They don't want any friends that use Apple. 0.99

01:51:46.000 People are crazy.

01:51:48.000 I think the clash of ideas is a great thing.

01:51:49.000 I think the clash of ideas gets us closer to the truth.

01:51:52.000 I think when Kennedy and I were having a conversation one time, I said, so tell me, what is it like to be part of the Kennedy family?

01:51:59.000 I'm just curious.

01:52:00.000 I said, tell me about your dad.

01:52:01.000 What was it like?

01:52:02.000 He says, every night we had dinner, our dad would want us to argue each other.

01:52:05.000 I said, you're kidding me.

01:52:06.000 He says, every night.

01:52:07.000 I said, what was it like?

01:52:08.000 He says, it would be as strange as saying, what makes you think drugs are bad for you?

01:52:13.000 Tell me why cocaine's bad.

01:52:14.000 I said, your dad would ask you that.

01:52:15.000 He says, yep.

01:52:15.000 And we'd start then debate.

01:52:17.000 And he would want us to debate, my brother.

01:52:19.000 And we'd go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

01:52:20.000 He says, that was part of the DNA of the Kennedy family.

01:52:23.000 We were required to regularly be comfortable debating.

01:52:26.000 It's almost we've gone away from it today because God forbid somebody disagrees with you, You know, you can't disagree with me.

01:52:33.000 It's my way or the highway where we are today.

01:52:36.000 Joe, if we were to, you know, my parents, when I was getting married, my parents got a divorce.

01:52:42.000 They got divorced twice in 20 years.

01:52:44.000 My mother's side, they're communists.

01:52:45.000 My dad's side, they're imperialists. 0.99

01:52:47.000 Politically, shit didn't make sense at all. 0.99

01:52:49.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:52:49.000 My mother's side, they thought Karl Marx was a hero. 0.99

01:52:51.000 My dad's side, they thought Shah was the hero, right? 0.95

01:52:54.000 The Shah of Iran. 0.92

01:52:55.000 And got married.

01:52:57.000 Two years later, divorce.

01:52:58.000 Remarried.

01:52:59.000 I'm born.

01:53:00.000 16 years later, they got a divorce again.

01:53:02.000 So they haven't been the same one for 20 years.

01:53:05.000 I'm getting married.

01:53:06.000 And they both call me.

01:53:07.000 They say, hey, we're looking forward to coming to your wedding.

01:53:10.000 I said, what makes you think you're coming to my wedding?

01:53:12.000 They're like, what are you talking about?

01:53:13.000 I said, dude, you're not coming to the wedding and seeing each other for the first time at my wedding.

01:53:17.000 Hell no! 0.93

01:53:18.000 I said, you guys got to go have dinner together.

01:53:20.000 Good call.

01:53:21.000 So we're not doing this.

01:53:21.000 So no, you guys got to kind of figure this out.

01:53:23.000 So I set up an event at the house, at the summit in Woodland Hills.

01:53:27.000 I love it.

01:53:27.000 And they come to the house and they're sitting there and...

01:53:30.000 Dad walks in.

01:53:31.000 Mom walks in.

01:53:32.000 I said, okay, you guys are good?

01:53:33.000 They're shaking, looking at each other.

01:53:35.000 No joke.

01:53:36.000 It's like they can't.

01:53:38.000 Because it's the clash of ideology.

01:53:40.000 Their ideas, they can't.

01:53:41.000 One says rich people are bad. 0.76

01:53:43.000 One says poor people are lazy.

01:53:45.000 That's just how the mindset is, right?

01:53:47.000 Anyways, eventually, they go back and forth.

01:53:50.000 And I said, Jennifer and I are going to step out.

01:53:53.000 You guys need to talk.

01:53:54.000 If you guys are not good before we leave, you ain't coming to the wedding.

01:53:57.000 So we step out.

01:53:59.000 No joke.

01:54:00.000 We step out.

01:54:00.000 We're out.

01:54:01.000 We're walking maybe for five minutes.

01:54:03.000 My dad starts screaming, Patrick!

01:54:05.000 He's screaming my name. 0.99

01:54:07.000 And I'm like, oh shit, something happened. 0.99

01:54:08.000 They're probably going to fight. 0.99

01:54:09.000 And I come back and he says, we're good.

01:54:11.000 We're going to be okay at the wedding.

01:54:12.000 Do you agree?

01:54:13.000 Do you agree?

01:54:14.000 Yes.

01:54:15.000 So obviously they don't agree, but they're going to make it work.

01:54:18.000 Anyways, wedding day comes.

01:54:20.000 Thank God they were good.

01:54:21.000 But the best picture is when we took the family picture and my dad's on this side, my mom's on this side.

01:54:25.000 If you can see the look on their face, I swear to God it's priceless because I'm cracking up because I know they don't want to take this picture, but it's classic.

01:54:33.000 You know, the whole story behind this is the fact that, you know, Getting the right people in the room together before we make a big decision.

01:54:42.000 I'm getting married.

01:54:43.000 I want to get these two guys in the room together because we got to figure out a way to unify.

01:54:46.000 So this wedding is not going to be a politically crazy wedding.

01:54:50.000 Who are the people you think we need to bring in the room that can potentially help unify America?

01:54:54.000 If there was a couple people, who would those two be?

01:54:57.000 I got a couple names.

01:54:58.000 I'm curious to know who you think.

01:55:00.000 I haven't thought it through.

01:55:01.000 I'd have to really sit around and think this through.

01:55:04.000 I don't know.

01:55:05.000 Maybe a hero will rise.

01:55:07.000 I don't know if we have that person directly in our landscape right now.

01:55:11.000 I don't know.

01:55:12.000 What do you think is the value of you?

01:55:17.000 Doing a podcast with Trump and Obama sitting here.

01:55:20.000 Because we never saw that, right?

01:55:22.000 All we saw is the handshake.

01:55:24.000 We never saw those two guys.

01:55:25.000 Both of them are a big part of the influence.

01:55:26.000 Obama took it one side.

01:55:28.000 I don't think there's a lot of value in having the two of them together.

01:55:32.000 Tell me why.

01:55:33.000 Because I think Trump would put on a show.

01:55:36.000 I think the real value with a guy like Obama is to talk to Obama one-on-one and to just have a long-form conversation with him and allow him to expand on why he did what he did, why he changed his position on whistleblowers, what it was like getting into office versus what he thought it was going to be like.

01:55:53.000 What it was like when he realized that he is, in fact, in charge of this crazy country that's...

01:55:59.000 In this unprecedented moment in history.

01:56:04.000 If you wanted to talk to a guy like Obama, you'd want to talk to him alone.

01:56:08.000 And if you wanted to talk to a guy like Trump, you'd probably want to talk to him alone too, but you'd want to wear him out first. 0.99

01:56:14.000 Trump would be like a dog.

01:56:16.000 If you want to teach a dog a trick, you've got to throw a ball for him a bunch of times and wear him out and then get him to relax. 0.96

01:56:23.000 Out of all the analogies in the world, that's the only one you thought of. 0.99

01:56:27.000 Yeah, yeah, because you would have to cut through all the bullshit. 0.99

01:56:31.000 You'd have to cut through all the showmanship and the persuasion. 0.99

01:56:39.000 He's very good at manipulating media.

01:56:41.000 He's very good.

01:56:42.000 He came over to me and Daniel Cormier went into the UFC, puts his hands on Daniel Cormier, former UFC heavyweight and light heavyweight champion.

01:56:50.000 He puts his hands on him.

01:56:51.000 He goes, I wouldn't want to fight you.

01:56:52.000 I do not want to fight this man.

01:56:54.000 He's He's putting on a show.

01:56:56.000 He shakes my hand.

01:56:57.000 You do a very good job.

01:56:58.000 Very good job.

01:57:00.000 He's a showman.

01:57:02.000 Do you believe him, though, when he gives you that compliment? 1.00

01:57:04.000 Who the fuck knows? 1.00

01:57:05.000 Who the fuck knows? 1.00

01:57:06.000 It's not my job. 1.00

01:57:08.000 My job is not to believe him.

01:57:10.000 I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket.

01:57:11.000 No, but it's the fact about sincerity.

01:57:13.000 I don't think he's ever even listened.

01:57:13.000 Probably never even listened to me do commentary.

01:57:15.000 Come on, of course he's probably listened to you.

01:57:17.000 Probably barely paid attention.

01:57:18.000 The guy's running for president, being the president, running a bunch of companies.

01:57:23.000 I'm sure he's listened to you many times.

01:57:23.000 Got a lot of buildings with his names on it.

01:57:25.000 I bet he barely pays attention.

01:57:26.000 I think he's the guy that pays attention to more than you think, specifically with people who have influenced a guy like yourself.

01:57:32.000 Perhaps.

01:57:32.000 So let's just say it was to happen.

01:57:34.000 Say it was to happen.

01:57:35.000 Trump and Obama sitting here.

01:57:36.000 By the way, if you had a choice between the two to have him on your podcast, who would it be?

01:57:40.000 Obama.

01:57:40.000 Obama would be more than Trump.

01:57:41.000 Yeah, I'd like to talk to him.

01:57:42.000 Okay.

01:57:43.000 Yeah.

01:57:43.000 But, you know, I don't know if I'd want to even talk to him in front of a camera.

01:57:48.000 I'd like to talk to him just for real, in real life.

01:57:51.000 I think he would do it.

01:57:53.000 That's the way I'd like to talk to him.

01:57:54.000 Yeah, I think he would do it off camera.

01:57:54.000 Because I think that the camera changes the way people, you know...

01:58:00.000 Even, look, he knows I'd tell people.

01:58:02.000 Like, if we had a conversation, I'd tell people what it was like, so I'm sure there's a certain amount of...

01:58:07.000 Accountability.

01:58:08.000 Yeah, well, it's also a certain amount of reservation, the way you communicate.

01:58:11.000 You're not going to get the guy, the actual guy.

01:58:15.000 It's going to take a long...

01:58:16.000 Unless he trusts me.

01:58:17.000 You know, you're not going to get the actual guy.

01:58:20.000 You're going to get a little bit of a show.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, like with Trump, you're going to get a little bit of a show. 0.99

01:58:24.000 You'd have to know that guy for a long fucking time. 0.97

01:58:27.000 You remember when Trump had, what the hell's her name from The Apprentice, Celebrity Apprentice? 0.99

01:58:32.000 Yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about.

01:58:34.000 What's her name?

01:58:35.000 Omarosa.

01:58:36.000 Omarosa.

01:58:36.000 She was on Fear Factor.

01:58:37.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:58:38.000 Yeah, she's crazy. 0.96

01:58:38.000 I didn't know that. 0.96

01:58:39.000 She's wild.

01:58:39.000 She accused me of being drunk.

01:58:41.000 I'm like, I'm not drunk.

01:58:42.000 Because I was questioning her about something that happened.

01:58:44.000 She goes like, Joe, you're drunk.

01:58:45.000 I smell alcohol in your breath.

01:58:47.000 I go, no you don't.

01:58:48.000 I'm not drunk. 1.00

01:58:48.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:58:50.000 She's wild. 1.00

01:58:51.000 She's a crazy lady. 1.00

01:58:52.000 She was in the fucking White House and recording them secretly. 1.00

01:58:58.000 That crazy lady- That eliminates future jobs, though. 1.00

01:59:00.000 She had a phone on and she was using the recording feature, recording conversation. 0.63

01:59:05.000 She's permanently fired, though. 1.00

01:59:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:59:07.000 Permanently.

01:59:08.000 Who's going to put her on their... 0.97

01:59:10.000 Who was going to do it anyway?

01:59:11.000 Well, I'm just saying, for him to even think, for her, when you do something like that, you're done for a job like that.

01:59:17.000 It's a bridge-burning movement.

01:59:19.000 Permanently.

01:59:20.000 She did that after she got fired, though, right?

01:59:22.000 She ratted everybody out after she got fired. 1.00

01:59:25.000 But even whatever she recorded wasn't even...

01:59:28.000 Salacious.

01:59:28.000 There was nothing there.

01:59:29.000 But it's the fact that she was doing that.

01:59:31.000 Where are you going with that? 0.96

01:59:32.000 He had a crazy lady. 1.00

01:59:33.000 To have someone like that on the administration. 0.98

01:59:35.000 Imagine.

01:59:36.000 This is how he's looking at things.

01:59:37.000 He's like, oh, she's loyal.

01:59:38.000 She's on my side.

01:59:39.000 She's on my team.

01:59:40.000 And so he's got this crazy lady from Celebrity Apprentice that's in his...

01:59:46.000 In his inner circle.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, I get that.

01:59:48.000 Wild lady.

01:59:49.000 I don't know if I disagree with that.

01:59:51.000 When that happened, I'm like, I don't understand this move.

01:59:54.000 I get, you know, the swamp, but I don't understand this move.

01:59:57.000 I think he thought she was loyal.

01:59:58.000 She's very articulate.

02:00:00.000 Well, that's his number one value.

02:00:01.000 Yeah, loyalty.

02:00:02.000 Good looking lady. 1.00

02:00:03.000 Talks well.

02:00:05.000 Celebrity.

02:00:05.000 You know, she's on his side.

02:00:07.000 You know the criticism Mayweather got for a few years about Pacquiao.

02:00:13.000 Yes.

02:00:13.000 Avoided the fight, et cetera, et cetera.

02:00:15.000 And I love what Mayweather said the other day.

02:00:16.000 He said, dude, I'm a year older than the guy.

02:00:18.000 Do you guys even know that?

02:00:19.000 I'm a year older than him.

02:00:20.000 So even when I fought him, I'm still older than the guy.

02:00:23.000 So it's a good argument when he said that.

02:00:25.000 And then Canelo, he says, when I fought him, he was younger than me.

02:00:28.000 I was an old man.

02:00:29.000 He fought me at my, now, Canelo would have gone three more years.

02:00:33.000 Maybe it's a different story because Canelo today is tough to beat.

02:00:35.000 Well, he's a lot larger. 1.00

02:00:36.000 He's ridiculous. 0.99

02:00:38.000 And by the way, I mean, look, it's your world. 0.98

02:00:40.000 I don't have the level of credibility to give, but just even technically watching the guy fight, it's like a dancer.

02:00:45.000 It doesn't even look like boxing.

02:00:47.000 It's very weird when you watch the guy fight.

02:00:49.000 But, you know, there's certain people, like the people who got a chance to watch Frazier fight Ali at their peak, I mean, you're the luckiest people alive to see that, right?

02:00:58.000 The people that I got a chance to see Bird Against Magic.

02:01:01.000 I never had a chance to see that.

02:01:02.000 I came to the States November 20, 1990. It was the move that Michael made like this over Sam Perkins.

02:01:08.000 That's when I came to the States, right?

02:01:09.000 So, some people got a chance to see those big sit-downs, big fights, big bouts.

02:01:16.000 You know, if we were to say the bigger debaters, both Trump and Obama, they're both very proud of debating.

02:01:23.000 It's a different style, right?

02:01:24.000 Trump insults people.

02:01:27.000 He's best with a crowd, because he can say things like he did with Hillary Clinton, like, you'd be in jail.

02:01:32.000 You know, he's got the one-liners, he's got the timing.

02:01:35.000 He can't do that on a podcast.

02:01:36.000 Right, exactly.

02:01:37.000 That's my point, is that, like, being a debater, like, what does that mean?

02:01:42.000 It's like, is he a better debater in front of a large group of people, where he can get those zingers in?

02:01:47.000 He's very good at that.

02:01:49.000 But would he be a better debater if it was just a civil conversation between two people discussing ideas?

02:01:54.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:01:55.000 Yeah.

02:01:55.000 So you almost put him in a place where he's not accustomed to it because to him, it's kind of like, you know how you saw Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel when they were doing their monologue when there was nobody in the audience?

02:02:06.000 It was terrible.

02:02:07.000 It was so awkward.

02:02:08.000 You should never do.

02:02:09.000 It was so uncomfortable watching it when Stephen Colbert was like, please stop.

02:02:13.000 This is just not working, right?

02:02:15.000 Even as the audience watching it, I don't know what it's like as a professional doing it.

02:02:19.000 As the audience, it doesn't make sense.

02:02:20.000 But I think that also takes one of your weapons out because a reaction validates a funny bit.

02:02:26.000 A reaction validates a great point, right?

02:02:29.000 So what if we took that?

02:02:30.000 Here's what I did a couple months ago, and this was two weeks after Fourth of July, three weeks after Fourth of July.

02:02:35.000 I came out, I said, $5 million I'll put on the line if Barack Obama and Trump are willing to do a long-form interview.

02:02:42.000 Three hours, okay?

02:02:44.000 And here's the format.

02:02:45.000 One hour, I ask the questions and we go through.

02:02:49.000 Second hour, maybe we bring some of the stuff from the audience that are asking some questions.

02:02:53.000 Third hour, the two just talk to each other and I don't say nothing.

02:02:56.000 They're just having a conversation.

02:02:57.000 The only thing is you have to be respectful as they're going through it.

02:03:00.000 That created some attention.

02:03:01.000 And the next thing you know, we're talking about it on some media platforms.

02:03:05.000 Invited me.

02:03:05.000 I want to talk about it.

02:03:06.000 Then people came in and they said, I'll match a half a million dollars.

02:03:09.000 I'll give $100,000.

02:03:09.000 We raised around $6.5 million, right?

02:03:12.000 To do this, what do you call it?

02:03:14.000 This sit down with Obama and Trump.

02:03:16.000 All I'm thinking about, Joe, is I don't know if I'm right, if I'm wrong, if it works, if it doesn't work.

02:03:22.000 For me, as a person that's looking for a resolution, when you're running a company and you have ideas, dude, maybe 20% of your ideas work.

02:03:29.000 But it's like a, let's try to see if this works. 0.99

02:03:32.000 Okay, shit, this didn't work. 0.99

02:03:33.000 Let's go to the next one. 0.99

02:03:34.000 Let's try this and work.

02:03:37.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:03:57.000 Like, would Trump say, do you remember that one time you dropped the mic after you said, at least I'm a president when you were doing the tweet, you know, the mean tweets, whatever?

02:04:03.000 Here's the one thing I'll never, all I am, that you'll never be a president.

02:04:07.000 I think there's a part of it.

02:04:09.000 Again, for me, all I believe is if you get people in the room to talk, it's making progress.

02:04:16.000 I may be wrong, but if we get people in the room to talk, we're making progress, right?

02:04:21.000 If those two guys get in the room.

02:04:23.000 You know when William F. Buckley sat down with Gore Vidal and they had a series of debates, that's what you'd want to do with those two.

02:04:28.000 That's what I'm saying though.

02:04:29.000 What you'd want to do with those two is, I wouldn't even necessarily have to be there, nor would you.

02:04:35.000 I think just those two talking for hours, that would be the way to do it.

02:04:40.000 I don't even know if you need a moderator.

02:04:42.000 I don't know if it's a benefit.

02:04:44.000 It might.

02:04:45.000 It might be to stop the talking over, because that was one of the things that, I guess it was Chris Wallace that had to deal with, with the first Biden-Trump debate, was that Trump would just talk over him.

02:04:57.000 He would just interrupt, and that was a real problem.

02:05:02.000 You got to let people talk.

02:05:03.000 He got destroyed for that, by the way.

02:05:04.000 But I thought it was necessary.

02:05:06.000 It was needed because Trump kept...

02:05:07.000 It was needed.

02:05:08.000 Yeah, he had to.

02:05:09.000 There was no other way around it.

02:05:10.000 Trump just kept it around.

02:05:11.000 By the way, the Trump in the second debate with Biden was smooth.

02:05:16.000 Crazy good.

02:05:17.000 Didn't even make any sense.

02:05:18.000 He was so much better.

02:05:19.000 I'm like, Jesus Christ, if he did that the first time, he might have won the thing outright.

02:05:22.000 I totally agree.

02:05:23.000 His problem is that his general personality that he's cultivated his entire career in media has been this guy who says, you're fired. 1.00

02:05:33.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:05:35.000 This is what you tell the China. 1.00

02:05:36.000 Listen, motherfucker, you're gonna pay. 1.00

02:05:38.000 You remember when he did that? 1.00

02:05:39.000 Like, that's Trump, right? 0.97

02:05:41.000 So he's developed this sort of battleship persona that just cuts through all the bullshit and guns blazing, and that has led him to victory, right? 0.82

02:05:52.000 The problem with that is it creates a lot of division, and it creates a lot of people who oppose him, who look at him like not just the opposition, but an enemy that must be defeated for the sanctity of the nation. 0.92

02:06:10.000 He becomes an incredibly dangerous prospect, a dangerous Polemic, polarizing monster that has to be beaten, and that's not necessary. 1.00

02:06:21.000 Let me ask you this, though.

02:06:22.000 It's not effective.

02:06:23.000 I don't know if I disagree with you right now, but here's a question for you.

02:06:27.000 Have you ever had a public loss that made you better?

02:06:30.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:06:32.000 You think Trump's had a bigger public loss?

02:06:36.000 Because he doesn't believe it's a loss.

02:06:37.000 I understand.

02:06:38.000 But it's still a loss, though.

02:06:39.000 It's still a loss, though.

02:06:40.000 The thing is, he's never admitted a loss.

02:06:42.000 He's like, all he keeps saying is, they stole the election, they stole the election.

02:06:45.000 That's part of Machiavelli.

02:06:46.000 That's Prince.

02:06:47.000 That's part of 48 Laws of Power.

02:06:49.000 That's part of don't admit the loss.

02:06:50.000 I think he believes it.

02:06:52.000 Let's just say he does.

02:06:53.000 Let's say he does.

02:06:54.000 He's still fighting it in court, right?

02:06:55.000 Totally fine.

02:06:56.000 But let's just say he does.

02:06:56.000 He doesn't.

02:06:57.000 Okay.

02:06:57.000 Let's just say he does.

02:06:58.000 He doesn't.

02:06:59.000 There's a part of when he's by himself.

02:07:01.000 Not when he's in front of the camera, not when he's with the wife and the kids.

02:07:04.000 By himself, okay?

02:07:06.000 It's Trump versus Trump.

02:07:08.000 What's he saying to himself?

02:07:10.000 Where's my Adderall?

02:07:12.000 That's what he's saying. 1.00

02:07:13.000 I'm going to kill these motherfuckers. 1.00

02:07:14.000 Where's my Adderall? 1.00

02:07:15.000 I'm going to kill these motherfuckers. 1.00

02:07:17.000 That's what he's saying. 1.00

02:07:17.000 You think that's what he's saying? 1.00

02:07:18.000 Listen, I think he is what you would call an extreme winner.

02:07:22.000 And there's a lot of extreme winners. 1.00

02:07:23.000 And extreme winners, whether it's like Michael Jordan or it's like Mike Tyson or these people, when they're in their prime, they are fucking savages. 0.97

02:07:32.000 And they exist to get that W. You put them in that category. 0.98

02:07:34.000 Yeah.

02:07:35.000 Look, he's obviously an egomaniac, right? 1.00

02:07:38.000 He's a wild, crazy narcissist who puts his name in fucking giant gold letters on buildings. 1.00

02:07:45.000 But he's also funny. 1.00

02:07:46.000 He says funny shit. 1.00

02:07:47.000 Like the one time we said, if he buys Greenland, I promise not to do this. 1.00

02:07:51.000 And he had like a giant...

02:07:54.000 Giant Trump building with his name on it.

02:07:57.000 I promise not to do this to Greenland.

02:07:59.000 I mean, when he put that on Twitter, that is hilarious.

02:08:02.000 He is without a doubt the funniest president of all time.

02:08:04.000 No one's even a close second.

02:08:06.000 He beats them all.

02:08:07.000 He beats them all. 1.00

02:08:08.000 He's fucking hilarious. 0.99

02:08:09.000 He has names for all these people. 0.99

02:08:10.000 Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe.

02:08:13.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

02:08:15.000 Best shit talker of all time. 1.00

02:08:16.000 The best shit talker. 1.00

02:08:16.000 Who's better, him or Conor? 1.00

02:08:18.000 Oh, Conor's better.

02:08:19.000 Really?

02:08:20.000 Yeah, Conor's better.

02:08:20.000 He would probably say he's better than Conor.

02:08:22.000 He would probably just say that.

02:08:23.000 Yeah, yeah, he could say it all the time.

02:08:24.000 Conor's in the legal zone. 0.99

02:08:25.000 Conor's a better shit-talker. 1.00

02:08:26.000 Conor's a better shit-talker. 1.00

02:08:28.000 But look, as a president, there's no one better. 1.00

02:08:32.000 There's no one.

02:08:33.000 There's no one.

02:08:35.000 Reagan was okay, but he needed those cards.

02:08:37.000 He had the three-by-five cards to read the jokes of.

02:08:39.000 Trump is kind of like...

02:08:40.000 Well, Reagan had some good off-the-cuff stuff.

02:08:42.000 Remember that one time, I believe, I forget where he was, but something dropped and it sounded like a gunshot?

02:08:49.000 It was after he got shot, he goes, miss me. 0.99

02:08:51.000 I mean, that's fucking... 0.99

02:08:52.000 They said that was a setup. 0.99

02:08:53.000 I don't know if you remember, they said it was a, they set it up to say that because it was a perfect line.

02:08:58.000 I don't believe that.

02:08:59.000 I agree with you.

02:09:00.000 I'm just saying that's the criticism he got. 1.00

02:09:02.000 People make shit. 0.99

02:09:03.000 No one wants to give anybody credit. 1.00

02:09:05.000 That's a real problem, too.

02:09:06.000 The part where he said, you know, I don't want to make this debate about the lack of experience with my opponent.

02:09:10.000 Or when he says, I'm a Jefferson type of a president.

02:09:13.000 He says, look, Jefferson and I went to school together.

02:09:15.000 You're definitely not the job holding up to me.

02:09:17.000 The guy was great.

02:09:18.000 But you see, to me, I think what just happened right now, we're laughing.

02:09:22.000 I think Obama and Trump are going to make us laugh. 0.99

02:09:25.000 I think they're going to talk such good shit to each other that both the left and the right are going to be like, oh, frickin' this was awesome. 0.99

02:09:32.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:09:32.000 I think Trump is going to say, you did this and you did that. 0.99

02:09:35.000 You spied on me.

02:09:37.000 I think there's going to be some serious animosity still.

02:09:40.000 Fine.

02:09:40.000 Let him say it.

02:09:41.000 I don't believe there's going to be any laughs.

02:09:43.000 Maybe you and I would laugh.

02:09:45.000 Maybe we had a couple of drinks and we watched it together.

02:09:48.000 Maybe we would laugh.

02:09:50.000 How about we do it?

02:09:51.000 We say, guys, you talk for three hours.

02:09:53.000 We're not going to ask you anything.

02:09:54.000 You guys just talk to each other and have a conversation.

02:09:55.000 We'll just stop it.

02:09:56.000 Our moderation is just when anybody goes a little too disrespectful, we stop it.

02:10:01.000 I think Obama, with his calm and measured demeanor, would exacerbate some of the antics of Trump, and it would be a difficult opponent for Trump.

02:10:13.000 That's why I think it's a good one.

02:10:14.000 If Trump and Obama were running against each other, the way that Trump ran against Hillary, it would be a very different race.

02:10:20.000 Because Obama wouldn't take the bait the way Hillary did. 1.00

02:10:25.000 I think he's a way more smooth customer.

02:10:28.000 And it would make what Trump's doing look more distasteful.

02:10:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:10:34.000 I totally agree.

02:10:35.000 But I just think history...

02:10:37.000 Wants to see the big fights and the big sit-downs.

02:10:39.000 I think this would be a crazy sit-down.

02:10:41.000 I got another follow-up crazy one for you here.

02:10:44.000 So 2022, just in a few months, we're going to start seeing Republicans start leading for who's going to be the presidential candidate, right?

02:10:51.000 You know what's going to look very weird on stage?

02:10:53.000 It's going to look very weird on stage.

02:10:55.000 So I want you to think about this.

02:10:56.000 So imagine it's the Republicans debating, okay?

02:10:59.000 Who's going to be on stage?

02:11:01.000 Do you think Trump's going to be on stage?

02:11:04.000 I think he would have to be.

02:11:05.000 Okay, do you think DeSanta's gonna be on stage?

02:11:07.000 Yes.

02:11:08.000 Do you think Pence will be on stage?

02:11:10.000 No.

02:11:10.000 I think he's done.

02:11:11.000 You think he's done?

02:11:12.000 I think he's done. 0.98

02:11:12.000 Yeah, when they were talking about assassinating him, and they were calling him a traitor and all those psychos that stormed the Capitol where they had fucking zip ties, they were looking for him. 0.98

02:11:20.000 Yeah, I fully remember that. 0.96

02:11:21.000 I remember that.

02:11:21.000 Yeah, I think it's a wrap.

02:11:22.000 I think he's gonna go to PAX and talk radio.

02:11:24.000 Do you think independents are more comfortable with, independents would actually vote for Pence?

02:11:29.000 No.

02:11:30.000 You don't think they will?

02:11:31.000 I don't think Pence is a strong guy.

02:11:32.000 I don't think he's a strong candidate.

02:11:34.000 I think that's the reason why they had him in as a vice president in the first place.

02:11:36.000 I don't think he's a one.

02:11:37.000 I think he's a two.

02:11:38.000 I think just like Biden's not a one.

02:11:40.000 I think Biden's a two or three.

02:11:42.000 They're a chief operating officer, not CEO. So I agree with you there.

02:11:46.000 Who else is on stage?

02:11:48.000 Who else is on stage?

02:11:49.000 Maybe Dan Crenshaw.

02:11:50.000 I think he would be.

02:11:51.000 You think Nikki Haley's on stage? 0.79

02:11:53.000 I don't know.

02:11:54.000 You think Tucker's on stage?

02:11:56.000 No.

02:11:56.000 I think he keeps doing his show.

02:11:57.000 Don't you think?

02:11:58.000 By the way, he's fifth on the list right now when they're saying who they want.

02:12:01.000 He's fifth.

02:12:02.000 But do you think he wants that?

02:12:04.000 I don't think he wants that life.

02:12:05.000 And I also don't think it makes sense for him to do that.

02:12:08.000 No.

02:12:08.000 It's like you deciding to run for office.

02:12:10.000 I think you're...

02:12:13.000 It's never going to happen.

02:12:14.000 I don't think he does that, but I could be wrong.

02:12:17.000 But here's what I think would be unstoppable.

02:12:19.000 Trump and DeSantis together. 0.99

02:12:22.000 I think against Joe Biden, I think Joe Biden's fucked. 1.00

02:12:25.000 I really believe that. 0.99

02:12:26.000 You think DeSantis is okay being a VP? I don't know.

02:12:28.000 But if he was, I don't know what his relationship with Trump is.

02:12:31.000 But for him to balance out the bombastic personality of Trump and to have some sort of a message from the right, which if you get the Trump from the second debate...

02:12:41.000 Where Trump is a calm, cool demeanor, but also keep the humor, but stop all the aggressive attacking antics, because those are what create more polarization.

02:12:53.000 And all the people on the fence, the people that are, you know, I don't know if I can, they'll go towards his side.

02:13:02.000 Biden has a hard time communicating.

02:13:04.000 That's just a fact.

02:13:05.000 And unless he drops out and unless Kamala comes in with someone else, it's a very difficult situation to try to get people to revote for him, especially after Afghanistan.

02:13:19.000 And again, I don't know how to handle it.

02:13:21.000 Maybe you're right about how to do it.

02:13:23.000 Sequencing.

02:13:24.000 Sequencing.

02:13:24.000 Maybe that's the right way.

02:13:25.000 I mean, maybe Trump and his communication with the military would have been better.

02:13:30.000 You've had Tim Kennedy before, right?

02:13:31.000 Tim Kennedy.

02:13:31.000 Many times.

02:13:32.000 Good friend.

02:13:32.000 Tim is...

02:13:33.000 By the way, another guy is very necessary.

02:13:35.000 Tim Kennedy.

02:13:36.000 Oh my gosh.

02:13:36.000 Very necessary.

02:13:37.000 Because he's got zero ego.

02:13:38.000 He's just like, I love the country.

02:13:40.000 I want to make sure I keep my freedom.

02:13:41.000 It's very necessary.

02:13:42.000 He's doing it, his method of talking about what we could have done differently.

02:13:46.000 I like what Tim's saying about it, but going back to it.

02:13:49.000 He's the guy to ask the question of.

02:13:52.000 He went back over there to help.

02:13:54.000 I know he did.

02:13:55.000 Was that the Pineapple Express or something that he was doing?

02:13:57.000 There was a couple of other guys involved.

02:13:59.000 Yeah, again, true patriot.

02:14:02.000 True patriot.

02:14:04.000 I salute what he's doing constantly.

02:14:07.000 But going back to it, so Trump dissent is those two going up, If Biden stays till the very end, them two going up against Trump and DeSantis, the only question is going to be of DeSantis.

02:14:21.000 There was an event that Trump was bringing up DeSantis.

02:14:23.000 I don't know if you saw this one, where Trump's building him up.

02:14:26.000 So he says, you know, next person I want to bring up is Governor DeSantis.

02:14:32.000 He says, not going to lie to you.

02:14:33.000 First time I saw him, I thought he was a little bit out of shape.

02:14:36.000 I thought he had to lose some weight.

02:14:39.000 You know what?

02:14:39.000 He's a little too heavy.

02:14:40.000 I saw him.

02:14:41.000 I said, this guy's a little too heavy.

02:14:42.000 And I'm not going to lie to you.

02:14:44.000 When I went up to him, we started talking.

02:14:45.000 I put my hand on his shoulder and I said, wait a minute.

02:14:49.000 This guy's muscular.

02:14:50.000 So then I realized he can't be your governor.

02:14:53.000 So with that being said, bring up Governor DeSantis.

02:14:55.000 I've never heard anybody bring anybody up like that.

02:14:57.000 Only Trump would bring somebody up like that. 1.00

02:14:59.000 He's a fucking maniac. 1.00

02:15:01.000 He's a showman is what he is. 1.00

02:15:02.000 Yeah, I mean, you're not supposed to laugh about it because people particularly on the left, they don't think it's funny.

02:15:08.000 They take it very seriously.

02:15:09.000 And when you're laughing and you're adding humor to him, you're somehow another carrying water for the Trump administration.

02:15:14.000 You shouldn't do it.

02:15:15.000 Yeah, you shouldn't do it.

02:15:16.000 You shouldn't laugh about him or laugh along with him or laugh at his jokes.

02:15:19.000 Are you being serious or are you joking?

02:15:21.000 No, I'm dead serious.

02:15:23.000 Trump hates Florida Governor Ron DeSantis because of his rising popularity.

02:15:28.000 I saw this.

02:15:28.000 But who says that?

02:15:29.000 This is a fucking article in the Insider. 1.00

02:15:31.000 Well, you got to go low. 1.00

02:15:31.000 No, it's Vanity Fair. 1.00

02:15:33.000 No, no, this is a Vanity Fair story.

02:15:35.000 If you go lower, go a little lower.

02:15:37.000 I think it's... 1.00

02:15:38.000 Trump fucking hates DeSantis. 0.99

02:15:40.000 Former president from Vanity Fair. 1.00

02:15:41.000 Yeah.

02:15:42.000 But what does that mean?

02:15:42.000 A source closer.

02:15:44.000 That's like saying, you know, you could say anything.

02:15:47.000 You could say anything a source says.

02:15:48.000 Well, if they say something like this, maybe this is something where they don't want the two to team up together.

02:15:52.000 Who knows?

02:15:52.000 Because if they did team up together, maybe that's a super team.

02:15:55.000 Who knows?

02:15:55.000 It's a crazy team if they team up together.

02:15:57.000 I really think that.

02:15:59.000 But I think DeSantis, with his measured, calm demeanor, and the way he's handled the pandemic, whether you agree with it or not agree with it, A lot of people disagree with it, right?

02:16:10.000 But what he has done is give people the most amount of freedom possible while still doing his best, what he believes is his best, to protect the vulnerable.

02:16:19.000 A lot of people criticize this.

02:16:21.000 A lot of people criticize what he did versus what other people did.

02:16:24.000 But if you look at the numbers, especially when you adjust for age, because Florida has a very old population, the numbers are actually better than the numbers for California.

02:16:35.000 It should be worse.

02:16:36.000 Yeah, which is locked down everybody.

02:16:37.000 But meanwhile, it's the place where I got COVID. Really?

02:16:40.000 That's right.

02:16:41.000 Because you were supposed to perform in Fort Lauderdale.

02:16:44.000 Yeah, I did.

02:16:45.000 I performed in Fort Lauderdale.

02:16:46.000 I did Fort Lauderdale, then I did Tampa, then I did Orlando.

02:16:50.000 Are you coming back anytime soon or no?

02:16:52.000 No.

02:16:53.000 I just did three arenas.

02:16:55.000 It'll be a while before I'm back there again.

02:16:56.000 But the walk from...

02:16:59.000 They'll walk from the stage, like when you're doing an arena in the center, like, so I'm gonna do an arena in a round, so there's like, say if this coffee cup is the stage, this table is the audience, so you gotta walk through the audience to get to backstage. 0.98

02:17:14.000 So it's just high-fiving all these fucking people and breathing all their air while they're screaming at me. 0.98

02:17:19.000 That's how I got COVID. Which makes sense. 1.00

02:17:22.000 I mean, if there's any way not to do it, it's not supposed to be that way.

02:17:38.000 Tony was the only one of the three of us that didn't get COVID. Laura got it, and then she was vaccinated.

02:17:45.000 She got COVID, and then I got it.

02:17:47.000 And I wasn't vaccinated.

02:17:49.000 Did Tony not go through that?

02:17:50.000 Tony walked through the same people, but Tony had already had natural immunity because he had COVID about five, six months ago.

02:17:57.000 Got it.

02:17:57.000 Yeah.

02:17:58.000 Was it a bad case for him?

02:18:00.000 Nah, it wasn't that bad.

02:18:01.000 The original COVID, the first strain, was not as rough as this new one.

02:18:06.000 This new one, the Delta, is supposed to be rougher.

02:18:08.000 But Laura was pretty sick. 0.84

02:18:09.000 She was really sick for over a week.

02:18:12.000 And Tony was feeling shitty, but he got a bunch of IV vitamin drips and got through it.

02:18:17.000 Never got COVID. Never tested positive.

02:18:19.000 Tested himself every day.

02:18:21.000 Go back to the funny part.

02:18:23.000 You said you should never laugh.

02:18:25.000 Why should you not laugh?

02:18:26.000 There's a part of it that's funny, no?

02:18:27.000 Listen, there's a lot of conversation.

02:18:29.000 People don't like it when I have right-wing people on the podcast.

02:18:32.000 They say you're platforming people with their terrible ideas.

02:18:35.000 They don't like it when I have Ben Shapiro on or anyone like that.

02:18:39.000 And I just think that that's a foolish way to look at the world because I think that you should be able to communicate with people that have opposing viewpoints or different viewpoints, and you should try to find out why they think what they think.

02:18:51.000 I've had some really interesting conversations with Ben over the years, and I like him as a person very much.

02:18:57.000 I don't agree with him on everything.

02:18:58.000 I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but so what?

02:19:01.000 I like him.

02:19:02.000 He's a nice guy.

02:19:03.000 Every time I see him, I hug him.

02:19:04.000 I enjoy his company very much.

02:19:05.000 He's a very nice guy.

02:19:06.000 You know who's one of my favorite types of guests to have on are people that believe in communism.

02:19:12.000 It's one of my fascinating conversations.

02:19:14.000 I've had seven of them.

02:19:15.000 Really?

02:19:16.000 I've got to tell you, it's so...

02:19:17.000 Who is the most compelling?

02:19:19.000 I would say Slavik Žižek.

02:19:22.000 Slavo Žižek.

02:19:23.000 He talks funny.

02:19:25.000 He's always touching his nose and touching his face.

02:19:27.000 Always touching his nose.

02:19:28.000 I don't understand why.

02:19:29.000 He just does this every time.

02:19:31.000 He does.

02:19:31.000 I had Richard Wolff on, who is the...

02:19:35.000 Forbes called him the leading socialist professor in America.

02:19:40.000 How was that?

02:19:43.000 Fascinating.

02:19:44.000 Let me tell you, that's a fascinating conversation, him and I. Probably one of my favorites.

02:19:48.000 I had a professor from Riverside Community College, he changed his name, Aster, Aster something, and he came out and he said, the two of the greatest leaders in the history of mankind ever are Mao and Stalin.

02:20:03.000 Holy.

02:20:03.000 And I sat him down and I said, I got a question for you.

02:20:06.000 I said, if a kid is listening to this podcast right now and he's 22 years old, he has a choice between being the next Jeff Bezos or being the next Stalin revolutionary.

02:20:15.000 What's better for society?

02:20:17.000 He says, oh, it's not even close.

02:20:18.000 I said, really?

02:20:19.000 So you're going to say who?

02:20:20.000 He said, Stalin.

02:20:21.000 Stalin's much better for society. 1.00

02:20:22.000 Oh, my God.

02:20:23.000 This guy fully believed it.

02:20:24.000 I'm telling you.

02:20:25.000 Did you ask him about the cannibalism?

02:20:28.000 Of course.

02:20:30.000 Starving his population?

02:20:31.000 Of course.

02:20:32.000 And then I said, so let me ask you, if it's so great, when's the last time you've been to Russia?

02:20:35.000 Well, I've never been.

02:20:36.000 When's the last time you've been to Cuba?

02:20:37.000 Never been.

02:20:37.000 Why are you in America?

02:20:39.000 Because the argument, there is no argument.

02:20:42.000 The argument always ends with...

02:20:44.000 Right.

02:20:44.000 I've never been.

02:20:45.000 I've never been.

02:20:46.000 Or the argument ends with, well, we just never had a noble leader before.

02:20:50.000 Well, that's the thing, right?

02:20:51.000 We were saying that...

02:20:53.000 Democracy never really worked like America.

02:20:57.000 This is the first time it ever really worked.

02:20:59.000 Maybe there's a socialist ideal of the world that we could put together and have this utopian society if we just did it right.

02:21:08.000 That's what a lot of them think, right?

02:21:09.000 Isn't that accurate?

02:21:11.000 I mean, they think the fact that a utopian environment like that could exist.

02:21:15.000 By the way, a semi-socialistic society could exist.

02:21:20.000 But will it produce an Elon Musk?

02:21:22.000 Will it produce a Bezos, a Zuck, a Jobs, a person like that?

02:21:26.000 I don't know.

02:21:27.000 So it's about where the incentive is, what the motivation is, who we produce as a hero.

02:21:32.000 I was talking to a Cornell University professor one time, and he said to me, he says, you know when capitalism works and when it doesn't work?

02:21:37.000 I said, tell me when it doesn't work.

02:21:39.000 I said, tell me when it works.

02:21:41.000 He says it's about pumping up the collective and not forgetting the individual.

02:21:46.000 He says capitalism doesn't work when all you want to do is build up the individual and not give credit to the team.

02:21:53.000 And he says, but also socialism doesn't work because all they want to do is pump up who?

02:21:58.000 The collective, but they don't want to lift up the individual.

02:22:02.000 Yeah, like Jeff Bezos is a terrible human being. 0.99

02:22:04.000 Steve Jobs is a terrible... 0.99

02:22:06.000 He was a... 0.60

02:22:07.000 You know, all these guys, the creators, Elon Musk, Greedy, nobody should be worth $200 billion.

02:22:12.000 And you saw AOC wearing that beautiful dress. 0.70

02:22:14.000 I don't know if you saw that beautiful dress.

02:22:16.000 Yeah, the Met gal.

02:22:16.000 Doesn't it cost $30,000 to get in there?

02:22:18.000 But she got a free ticket, though, because she's AOC. She got a free...

02:22:21.000 How the fuck are you going to show up at what's like... 0.99

02:22:23.000 Dave Portnoy had a great tweet about it. 0.98

02:22:25.000 What was his tweet about it?

02:22:26.000 See if you find Dave Portnoy's tweet.

02:22:28.000 Dave Portnoy essentially was saying, you are going to this ball where all they do is celebrate extravagance and wealth.

02:22:39.000 And you have a dress that says, tax the rich.

02:22:42.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:22:44.000 Like, that dress is preposterous posing.

02:22:47.000 And then she was asked the next day because she got trashed for it.

02:22:50.000 I don't know if you saw the pushback she got. 0.99

02:22:52.000 And she came back and said, all you people that are saying, you know, well, you're making $175 a year to many people in America.

02:22:59.000 You're rich.

02:23:00.000 I'm not talking about people like me.

02:23:01.000 I'm not rich.

02:23:02.000 I'm talking about people that are worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the people that are worth billions.

02:23:07.000 It's always the person that's slightly richer than you that's rich.

02:23:11.000 It's always that.

02:23:12.000 You know, hey, Joe's worth this.

02:23:14.000 No, you know, I'm only worth 10, like Elizabeth Warren, you know, who makes $400,000 to give one speech to university, whatever, you know, she goes in, she's a professor, makes all this money. 0.81

02:23:24.000 But no, what's rich is somebody that's worth more than $20 million, because I'm worth $5 million.

02:23:29.000 So let's make those limitations in a way.

02:23:31.000 Text the rich, but I'm first going to...

02:23:33.000 Text the rich, but first I'm going to have a time of my life partying with them all at the most extravagant, over-the-top part of the year that is essentially a celebration of richness.

02:23:41.000 By the way, that's another guy that's very necessary.

02:23:43.000 Missing context.

02:23:44.000 Wow, it flagged it.

02:23:46.000 Independent fact-checkers say this information could mislead people.

02:23:50.000 See why.

02:23:51.000 Click on it.

02:23:52.000 Let's see why.

02:23:52.000 This is just a screenshot of it.

02:23:54.000 Oh wait, you can't click on it.

02:23:56.000 No, that's just a screenshot.

02:23:57.000 But how funny is that?

02:23:58.000 That they did that. 0.98

02:23:59.000 How fucking funny is that? 0.99

02:24:01.000 He's one of the best trolls in America today. 0.99

02:24:02.000 And he's the guy that's bullying the bully.

02:24:04.000 But how funny is it that they put that missing context? 1.00

02:24:07.000 It's his fucking opinion! 0.99

02:24:08.000 It is a celebration of richness! 1.00

02:24:12.000 Missing context. 1.00

02:24:13.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:24:14.000 $275,000 a table. 1.00

02:24:16.000 Oh my god.

02:24:17.000 $275,000 a table.

02:24:18.000 That seems a lot of money.

02:24:19.000 That seems a lot of money. 0.99

02:24:21.000 I mean, you can go to fucking Morton's Steakhouse. 0.98

02:24:23.000 It's a lot cheaper than that. 0.99

02:24:24.000 I don't understand.

02:24:25.000 So, by the way, I had Carlos Mencian.

02:24:27.000 I don't know if you saw that interview with me.

02:24:29.000 I did not.

02:24:29.000 No.

02:24:30.000 I asked him, I said, why don't you, if you're so confident you can do anything, why don't you reach out to Joe?

02:24:35.000 I'm not interested in talking to him.

02:24:36.000 Did he ever reach out at all?

02:24:37.000 No.

02:24:38.000 Because to him, when we sat down and we had the dialogue together, I said, if you feel you're so confident, go on Twitter and say something about it.

02:24:47.000 He says, I'm going to.

02:24:48.000 I followed up.

02:24:49.000 I don't know.

02:24:50.000 Obviously, I disappointed again.

02:24:51.000 We know nothing happened.

02:24:51.000 I wouldn't know if he did.

02:24:52.000 People talk about me on Twitter all the time.

02:24:54.000 I don't go there. 1.00

02:24:55.000 I don't read any of that shit. 0.99

02:24:56.000 No, I was just curious to know if you ever reached out. 0.99

02:24:59.000 No.

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:00.000 No.

02:25:00.000 Good luck to him.

02:25:01.000 That's what I say.

02:25:02.000 Good luck.

02:25:03.000 Hope you do well. 0.98

02:25:04.000 Listen, if the guy became the greatest comedian that's ever lived, I would be fucking clapping. 0.78

02:25:08.000 I'd be like, look at that. 0.95

02:25:09.000 He pulled it off.

02:25:10.000 You know?

02:25:11.000 If he got better and figured out how to write his own material and all of a sudden rose to the top and became inspirational.

02:25:18.000 Look, I celebrate all achievement. 0.76

02:25:20.000 Whenever someone's amazing, whenever someone's great at anything, I'm fucking there for it. 0.87

02:25:24.000 Always. 0.61

02:25:25.000 I love excellence.

02:25:27.000 I'm a connoisseur of excellence.

02:25:29.000 You lift people up.

02:25:30.000 You're an edifier.

02:25:31.000 You're always lifting people up.

02:25:32.000 But I'm also fascinated by greatness. 0.98

02:25:35.000 If someone can do something amazing, I don't give a fuck even if I don't like you. 1.00

02:25:40.000 If you do something amazing, like, damn, look at that motherfucker go. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Look at him go. 1.00

02:25:44.000 Wow!

02:25:44.000 I'll be the first because it's a there's a real weakness in not being able to recognize other people's strengths and the people that try to diminish other people's strengths or Whether it's their their creativity their power their greatness whatever it is They try to diminish it because they they feel like they don't like that person They're looking at it through a distorted lens what you don't realize is when you're saying something that other people know to not be true you are You're making

02:26:15.000 all your future statements, you're holding them to this standard that you've already fucked up. 0.95

02:26:23.000 You've already fucked it up by denying the existence of... 0.88

02:26:26.000 Like, if you try to say, ah, Jimi Hendrix wasn't a great guitarist. 0.99

02:26:30.000 What the fuck did you even just say, right? 1.00

02:26:33.000 You say that, everything else you say, I'm gonna look at it through the lens of what you said about Jimi Hendrix was so fucking stupid. 1.00

02:26:42.000 So, you gotta be able to look at reality 100% unedited. 0.99

02:26:49.000 100% Undistorted by your own ideology, your own personal feelings about that guy, the interactions you've had with him. 0.99

02:27:00.000 You've got to look at it for whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

02:27:02.000 It is what it is. 0.99

02:27:04.000 You've got to be able to say what something actually is.

02:27:08.000 If you cannot do that, people will not trust you.

02:27:11.000 Whether you like that person or you don't like that person.

02:27:14.000 I don't have to like you to know you're awesome at something. 0.99

02:27:17.000 I could see someone's a total dick, but they might be the greatest sprinter of all time. 1.00

02:27:22.000 Like, look at that motherfucker go. 1.00

02:27:24.000 Goddamn, he's good. 1.00

02:27:25.000 You've got to call it for what it is. 0.97

02:27:27.000 People don't like to do that, but you should learn to do that.

02:27:29.000 You should learn to give credit to your enemies.

02:27:31.000 You think it's a learnable skill?

02:27:32.000 Learn to give credit to your enemies.

02:27:33.000 You think it's a learnable skill?

02:27:34.000 Yes, I do.

02:27:35.000 I agree as well.

02:27:35.000 I think it strengthens you, whether you believe it or not.

02:27:39.000 I think it strengthens you to give credit to people that you might not necessarily even like.

02:27:44.000 And it also, you realize sometimes that there's conflicts that you carry on in your own mind with other people that are completely unnecessary conflicts.

02:27:54.000 You don't have to have them.

02:27:56.000 Even if they keep them, you can let them go. 0.97

02:27:58.000 You know, people could talk shit about you and go, Well, sorry feels that way. 0.97

02:28:03.000 I wish him luck. 0.99

02:28:03.000 Wish him well. 0.99

02:28:04.000 The amount of real conflicts you have in this life, you should limit that as much as possible.

02:28:10.000 I agree.

02:28:11.000 So maybe let's take this opportunity to give credit to the sexiest man alive according to Guardian.

02:28:16.000 Fauci? 1.00

02:28:19.000 Imagine a lot of girls lining up looking to fuck that guy. 1.00

02:28:23.000 Hilarious. 1.00

02:28:24.000 So, I don't know if you, you know, the picture, did you see his pose?

02:28:28.000 Yeah, yeah, hilarious.

02:28:29.000 What do you think about that?

02:28:30.000 I mean... 0.98

02:28:30.000 Well, how the fuck does he have time to do that? 0.98

02:28:32.000 Aren't you trying to protect us from the evil coronavirus? 0.99

02:28:33.000 Well, I mean, when you're that sexy, bro, when you're that sexy...

02:28:36.000 I guess you just take a couple seconds, take a photo.

02:28:37.000 I wanted to give you a gift.

02:28:38.000 I wanted to give you a gift.

02:28:39.000 Oh, you gave me a gift?

02:28:40.000 I figured if you, you know, if you're a guy...

02:28:41.000 If you give me a Fauci doll, I already have one.

02:28:42.000 No, no, no, I'm not going to give you a Fauci doll.

02:28:44.000 I'm going to give you something a little more than a Fauci dollar.

02:28:46.000 You know, because...

02:28:47.000 A Fauci doll.

02:28:48.000 I have a doll.

02:28:48.000 Because of what he just did.

02:28:50.000 Uh-oh.

02:28:50.000 I got you Tony Fauci's top rookie card, PSA 10. He's got a rookie card?

02:28:55.000 This is something I think you should keep for it.

02:28:57.000 Is this real?

02:28:58.000 Yeah, I mean, Bobby, we just probably increased the value by five times right now just by talking about it.

02:29:01.000 This is real?

02:29:02.000 That's actually a card for Fauci.

02:29:05.000 Can you see that?

02:29:06.000 Can you see it on camera, Jay?

02:29:08.000 He's throwing a pitch.

02:29:10.000 He's throwing a pitch.

02:29:11.000 Did you see his pitch?

02:29:12.000 I would imagine it was atrocious.

02:29:14.000 You gotta see the pitch.

02:29:15.000 I don't know if you can show it.

02:29:16.000 You cannot, right?

02:29:17.000 You can't show it right now.

02:29:17.000 Who had the worst pitch ever?

02:29:20.000 That's very arguable.

02:29:21.000 Judd Apatow?

02:29:22.000 Judd Apatow had a bad one.

02:29:23.000 50 Cent had a bad one?

02:29:24.000 50 Cent had a bad one.

02:29:26.000 Gary Del Bate?

02:29:27.000 He had a bad one.

02:29:28.000 Oh, Baba Bui. 0.76

02:29:29.000 Yeah.

02:29:30.000 Oh, well.

02:29:31.000 Anyways, I thought you would appreciate that. 0.99

02:29:34.000 He's 80. Who the fuck is asking the guy to throw a ball? 0.99

02:29:35.000 It's a sexy guy right there, though. 0.99

02:29:37.000 Okay.

02:29:37.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:29:38.000 Yeah, I figured you would.

02:29:39.000 By the way, you know how much that's worth today.

02:29:41.000 It's probably worth 50 bucks.

02:29:42.000 It's worth a couple hundred dollars.

02:29:43.000 Really?

02:29:44.000 That's the point that a Fauci baseball card is worth a couple hundred dollars.

02:29:49.000 But I think it just went up after it became sexy.

02:29:51.000 Well, the sexiest man in America.

02:29:54.000 The sexiest, right?

02:29:57.000 Whoa, it's worth a thousand dollars!

02:29:59.000 It just went up a little bit. 0.99

02:30:00.000 Holy shit! 0.96

02:30:01.000 It's just on eBay. 0.96

02:30:01.000 It just went up right there. 0.96

02:30:02.000 Well, that's what someone's asking.

02:30:05.000 But there's not a lot of them, so...

02:30:06.000 Thank you very much.

02:30:09.000 Today, his street credit for his baseball card just went up with Fauci.

02:30:14.000 But we'll see what's going to happen there.

02:30:16.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:17.000 Who the fuck is collecting cards? 0.99

02:30:19.000 Oh, dude, are you kidding me? 0.98

02:30:21.000 Do you know there's a UFC, I have a UFC card that's, like, worth money?

02:30:25.000 I have Max Holloway's rookie card.

02:30:27.000 How much is it worth?

02:30:28.000 I haven't looked, but, I mean, the card game has exploded in the last two years.

02:30:33.000 Are you following it at all or no? 1.00

02:30:35.000 No, I don't have time for that shit. 0.99

02:30:36.000 Wait, you're not following at all what's going on with the card game? 1.00

02:30:39.000 No!

02:30:40.000 Okay, can I shock you with some numbers if that's okay with you?

02:30:44.000 Please.

02:30:45.000 Okay, what do you think is the value of the most expensive card in the world today?

02:30:52.000 Just throw a number out.

02:30:53.000 Does Babe Ruth have a card?

02:30:54.000 Babe Ruth's got a card, but it's not the most expensive.

02:30:56.000 Really?

02:30:57.000 Jackie Robinson?

02:30:57.000 He's got a card, but it's probably not in the top 1,000 of the most expensive.

02:31:02.000 Oh, boy.

02:31:02.000 Yeah.

02:31:03.000 Well, I'm out of guesses.

02:31:04.000 Mickey Mantle has a card.

02:31:05.000 Okay, Mickey Mantle.

02:31:06.000 Okay.

02:31:06.000 How much is that?

02:31:07.000 Is that number one?

02:31:08.000 His PSA 10 1952 Topps rookie card.

02:31:11.000 There's only three of them.

02:31:12.000 Let me guess.

02:31:13.000 Please.

02:31:14.000 20 million bucks.

02:31:15.000 Really?

02:31:15.000 That's actually the number.

02:31:16.000 Really?

02:31:17.000 So you do follow cards.

02:31:18.000 No, I just took a guess.

02:31:18.000 Dude, that's like you're on the dot.

02:31:20.000 It's 20 million bucks.

02:31:21.000 I'm good at that.

02:31:22.000 The guy who bought it in 1998, the owner of the Diamondbacks, paid $104 for it.

02:31:27.000 In 1998. From 104 to 20k today.

02:31:31.000 That's a big jump.

02:31:32.000 A Luka rookie card, two days after his birthday, at 22 years old, sold for $5.2 million.

02:31:40.000 That's a basketball player, Joe.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, Luka Doncic.

02:31:43.000 He's a great basketball player.

02:31:44.000 I was going to ask, thank you.

02:31:46.000 You don't follow basketball.

02:31:47.000 I don't follow sports.

02:31:48.000 I got you.

02:31:49.000 I'm a sports commentator who doesn't follow sports.

02:31:51.000 Dude, you got a card as well?

02:31:53.000 You got a card.

02:31:54.000 You got a card with the...

02:31:55.000 I know there's a UFC card.

02:31:56.000 There is.

02:31:56.000 I think it's worth some money.

02:31:57.000 Yeah.

02:31:58.000 Of course it is.

02:31:59.000 Yeah.

02:32:00.000 You got a card.

02:32:00.000 The card industry today is booming.

02:32:02.000 There's a few guys that are doing it the right way.

02:32:06.000 The card business.

02:32:07.000 The private equity business got into it.

02:32:09.000 They got into it.

02:32:10.000 So, you know, Jordan's rookie cards were selling for like $25,000 a few years ago.

02:32:15.000 There's only 330 of those PSA 10 rookie cards.

02:32:18.000 These guys got into it.

02:32:19.000 Next thing you know, it jumped to a couple of them sold for $700,000.

02:32:24.000 Couldn't you fake that?

02:32:25.000 Couldn't you fake a card?

02:32:26.000 The best thing about the card game that changed is there's a grading service called PSA. So PSA that's based out of Newport, they're not even taking any new cards right now because they can't.

02:32:38.000 It takes 12 months for you to get graded.

02:32:39.000 They're that busy right now.

02:32:40.000 No joke.

02:32:41.000 And it costs like $50, $40, $100 to get cards graded depending on the quality of it.

02:32:45.000 You send it to them.

02:32:47.000 They look at it.

02:32:49.000 And then based on that, like you see this here that says the PSA stamp, they give it a score, there's a VIN number to it, and then there's a, not a VIN number, but a serial number to it, and then this has got a value.

02:32:59.000 So PSA changed the game.

02:33:01.000 Beckett Grading Service changed the game.

02:33:04.000 BGS, because it used to be dirty.

02:33:06.000 There would be guys that...

02:33:08.000 Would sell the fake cards and, you know, counterfeits.

02:33:10.000 It was all over the place.

02:33:11.000 But kind of changed the game the last few years.

02:33:13.000 You got cards and NFTs to date that are...

02:33:17.000 I don't understand NFTs as much as I understand cards.

02:33:19.000 I don't understand NFTs.

02:33:21.000 People keep asking me to get involved in NFTs.

02:33:22.000 I couldn't even tell you about it.

02:33:23.000 I'm like, I'm not.

02:33:24.000 I'm not going to get involved in NFTs.

02:33:26.000 By the way, if you did, you'd probably...

02:33:29.000 In the next 12 months, make $5 million.

02:33:31.000 If you did anything with NFTs, yourself, minimum.

02:33:34.000 I'd say $5 to $10 million you would make because they would sell certain NFTs of stuff you've said on your podcast.

02:33:40.000 The NFT of you and Elon Musk is probably worth $10 million.

02:33:44.000 What does that mean, though?

02:33:45.000 It's probably worth...

02:33:46.000 I'm not even kidding with you.

02:33:47.000 But this is the thing, but what does it mean?

02:33:48.000 Somebody owns that NFT. It's like somebody owns that card.

02:33:51.000 But how can they own it?

02:33:53.000 What does it mean?

02:33:53.000 Anybody can have it.

02:33:54.000 It's online.

02:33:55.000 So you know the guy that bought Beeple?

02:33:58.000 Do you know Beeple?

02:33:59.000 Yeah.

02:33:59.000 Somebody bought his NFT. I go back and forth with that guy all the time on Instagram.

02:34:03.000 He's great.

02:34:04.000 He's a very cool guy.

02:34:05.000 Super prolific.

02:34:06.000 He's worked sick.

02:34:06.000 Every day he puts out a new piece of art.

02:34:08.000 5,000 days is what he did.

02:34:10.000 Amazing.

02:34:10.000 He calls it 5,000 days or something like that.

02:34:11.000 You know what he sold that for?

02:34:12.000 He sold it for like $69 million.

02:34:14.000 Yeah.

02:34:14.000 Good for him.

02:34:15.000 The guy that bought him is a guy named Meta Coben.

02:34:17.000 He lives in Singapore today.

02:34:18.000 I had him on.

02:34:20.000 And I said, so tell me, what the hell is going on?

02:34:21.000 He's a Bitcoin billionaire, crypto billionaire, one of those guys.

02:34:24.000 By the way, he's like in his late 20s, early 30s.

02:34:26.000 Okay, this guy.

02:34:27.000 So I said, you paid $69 million for what?

02:34:30.000 He says, what do you mean?

02:34:32.000 I said, that's exactly what I mean.

02:34:34.000 What do you mean $69 million?

02:34:36.000 He says, do you know what's coming next is virtual real estate?

02:34:40.000 I said, virtual real estate means what?

02:34:42.000 Like, you have virtual real estate.

02:34:43.000 People are trying to buy the best virtual real estate.

02:34:46.000 And we are making a virtual museum where you're going to have to buy tickets to attend the museum.

02:34:51.000 And the last thing you see at the museum is this Beeple NFT for $69 million.

02:34:56.000 I believe this is a billion-dollar NFT. So that's what NFT is going to today.

02:35:04.000 I still don't understand.

02:35:05.000 I don't either.

02:35:05.000 Remember back when I asked you guys about the metaverse a few weeks ago?

02:35:08.000 Yeah.

02:35:09.000 And we went on a fun little thing about it?

02:35:11.000 Yeah.

02:35:11.000 That's where this is headed.

02:35:13.000 Yeah?

02:35:14.000 Joe, you probably got...

02:35:17.000 If you get an NFT expert reaches out to you who's got credibility, he knows what he's doing, you probably got $10 million of NFTs you could sell the next six or 12 months.

02:35:25.000 But I don't even know what that means.

02:35:26.000 Well, they would explain it to you.

02:35:27.000 But I don't think they would.

02:35:29.000 Didn't you play Quake before?

02:35:30.000 You used to play Quake before.

02:35:31.000 Yeah.

02:35:31.000 Okay, so when you did Quake, was there anything that you had to buy skins or was it just...

02:35:35.000 I mean, I guess you probably could, but you just mostly downloaded them for free.

02:35:39.000 I don't know, maybe you buy them today.

02:35:41.000 Do you buy them today?

02:35:42.000 Yeah, so today, so imagine those skins, you buy them today.

02:35:45.000 That's all it is.

02:35:46.000 An NFT is that skin. 0.71

02:35:47.000 So you buy that feature.

02:35:49.000 For 50 bucks, you get this additional this.

02:35:50.000 For 100 bucks, you get...

02:35:51.000 That's a form of NFT. Say if you're talking about the NFT of me and Elon Musk smoking weed together.

02:35:57.000 But that is...

02:35:59.000 Available to anyone that wants to watch the YouTube video.

02:36:02.000 Not NFT, though.

02:36:03.000 For YouTube, yes.

02:36:03.000 What does that mean, though?

02:36:04.000 I understand that.

02:36:04.000 But this is the thing.

02:36:05.000 If you get a picture off of Google, you could Google Elon Musk smoking weed, you get the photograph of it, you blow it up in a picture.

02:36:15.000 You like watches.

02:36:16.000 It's like, why is my Apple Watch different than any other watches you have?

02:36:19.000 You know why.

02:36:22.000 Well, mine are mechanical watches.

02:36:23.000 I know, but to me, it's like...

02:36:26.000 Well, they're the same until the time.

02:36:28.000 I'll be at the bar soon showing everyone my NFT collection on my iPhone or whatever device that thing is.

02:36:35.000 Do you have any?

02:36:35.000 You got NFTs?

02:36:36.000 We'll talk about it later.

02:36:38.000 So that's a yes.

02:36:40.000 I mean, so I've gotten involved in the NBA Top Shot, which is pretty good.

02:36:42.000 I still don't know what that means!

02:36:43.000 Solid.

02:36:44.000 Yeah.

02:36:45.000 The first LeBron sold for like $220, right?

02:36:47.000 That LeBron Top Shot.

02:36:48.000 I'm not super convinced that that's going to be the way it goes, but there will be that day when you're sitting there drinking with your friends like, what do you got?

02:36:54.000 What do you got?

02:36:55.000 Well, I've got... 0.99

02:36:56.000 Holy shit, you've got the Elon Musk, Joe Rogan moment. 0.96

02:36:59.000 But it's an image on your phone. 0.98

02:37:02.000 Sort of.

02:37:03.000 I'm willing to predict right now you'd get $5 to $10 billion on it, maybe more.

02:37:08.000 I'm not even doing it.

02:37:10.000 I'm not interested.

02:37:12.000 I mean, I'm not telling you to do it or not.

02:37:14.000 I'm just saying to market.

02:37:16.000 There's not a world I can imagine where my mind takes a right turn and goes down NFT boulevard.

02:37:22.000 Digital bling.

02:37:22.000 That's the best way to, I think.

02:37:23.000 I don't get it.

02:37:24.000 You want to put the gold chains in your head?

02:37:26.000 Someone wants to buy a bunch of NFTs.

02:37:28.000 I'm interested in that gold chain.

02:37:29.000 Same thing.

02:37:30.000 The gold chain dreadlocks.

02:37:31.000 Have you seen the rapper that got gold chains installed in his head?

02:37:34.000 What is that all about?

02:37:35.000 He's a wild dude. 1.00

02:37:37.000 He's got fucking gold chains for hair. 1.00

02:37:40.000 I can't understand that. 1.00

02:37:41.000 He also said he's got you apparently.

02:37:42.000 What's that?

02:37:42.000 He'll hook you up.

02:37:43.000 Oh, who's going to hook me up?

02:37:44.000 He found out that we talked about it.

02:37:46.000 That guy?

02:37:46.000 He said he'll hook you up, yeah.

02:37:46.000 He's going to hook me up with some hooks on my head to get some gold chains?

02:37:50.000 Yep.

02:37:50.000 Tight.

02:37:51.000 Would you ever do that?

02:37:54.000 Yes!

02:37:56.000 Gold dreadlocks all over my head.

02:37:59.000 Oh, I'm in.

02:37:59.000 That's my new look, man.

02:38:01.000 Can you imagine how bad that would hurt when you did jiu-jitsu?

02:38:05.000 Where all the metal in your head, like every time someone grabs your head, it digs in.

02:38:11.000 I always say, wow, Joe thinks my hair is dope.

02:38:13.000 Bro, I got you.

02:38:14.000 Hair implant on me.

02:38:17.000 Wow.

02:38:18.000 So it's going to happen.

02:38:19.000 Yeah, he's going to hook me up.

02:38:21.000 Can you imagine, seriously though, how bad that would suck?

02:38:24.000 If you had to take it out to do jujitsu, you'd have all these metal spikes in your head.

02:38:29.000 How would you be able to do it?

02:38:30.000 I just remember trying to screw those little things in that Predator head you had before.

02:38:33.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:38:34.000 Remember that?

02:38:34.000 That's the same thing.

02:38:35.000 Oh my gosh, I can't even visualize that. 0.98

02:38:37.000 I had this big ass fucking Predator head at the old studio and it had these things. 0.99

02:38:44.000 Red Band's got that now, right? 0.99

02:38:45.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 It's, uh, yeah, not really getting...

02:38:48.000 Predator hair.

02:38:49.000 ...metal hair.

02:38:49.000 I'm not doing that, but I'm kidding, you know?

02:38:51.000 No, no, because it would change all the tattoos people got.

02:38:54.000 It would probably hurt, too.

02:38:56.000 Like, whenever anything touched it.

02:38:58.000 That's what I was worried about.

02:38:59.000 Every night, you would need to screw it off.

02:39:01.000 Yeah, like, when you lie, just a pillow.

02:39:03.000 Oh, I don't even want to think about it.

02:39:04.000 Dig into your head.

02:39:04.000 Yeah.

02:39:05.000 How does that dude sleep?

02:39:06.000 I don't know.

02:39:07.000 Jimmy, are you thinking about it?

02:39:08.000 I was hoping you were going to talk him into the Bored Apes and all that kind of stuff. 1.00

02:39:11.000 If you've seen anyone, Snoop Dogg is into it.

02:39:13.000 He'll make his new Twitter account picture.

02:39:18.000 The new thing he bought.

02:39:19.000 And the community goes crazy about it.

02:39:21.000 What do you mean?

02:39:22.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

02:39:23.000 I'll show you.

02:39:25.000 You're fully not open to the NFT stuff?

02:39:27.000 Nope.

02:39:28.000 Not interested.

02:39:28.000 You are or you're not interested?

02:39:30.000 No.

02:39:30.000 Why is that?

02:39:31.000 It's a weird hustle.

02:39:32.000 I think it's like a cryptocurrency hustle.

02:39:33.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

02:39:34.000 Are you in crypto or you're not in crypto at all?

02:39:36.000 I have a little bit of crypto.

02:39:38.000 Little bit.

02:39:39.000 Got it.

02:39:39.000 Little bit.

02:39:40.000 Not much.

02:39:41.000 Is a little bit, a lot of it to other people, or is it a little bit, a little bit?

02:39:44.000 It's a little bit.

02:39:45.000 You got the smile on your face.

02:39:46.000 I don't know what that means.

02:39:48.000 This picture, this is what I'm showing you, is the marketplace.

02:39:52.000 The Bored Ape Yacht Club. 0.92

02:39:54.000 $341,000.

02:39:55.000 So this is a marketplace to buy this NFT. This is one of the main marketplaces to share and buy NFT. So that's an NFT and it's worth $99?

02:40:02.000 No, no.

02:40:03.000 No, no.

02:40:04.000 Ether, which is $348.

02:40:06.000 That image is worth $340,000?

02:40:10.000 You wouldn't want that image?

02:40:11.000 I don't understand.

02:40:12.000 It's like Snoop asked who is sending him his eight.

02:40:16.000 He wants the one with all the gold, so someone showed him the one with all the gold.

02:40:20.000 My ship better have all gold everything.

02:40:21.000 And I don't know that he actually owns this one, but that's how some of these things are going.

02:40:25.000 There are these computer-generated images that end up looking like someone, and they're like, I want to own it.

02:40:30.000 I understand, but here's my problem.

02:40:31.000 I can have that photo, and I can have it on my phone.

02:40:35.000 Sure.

02:40:36.000 But you don't own it.

02:40:37.000 Exactly.

02:40:38.000 What does it mean?

02:40:39.000 But I have it on my phone.

02:40:40.000 This is what doesn't make any sense to me.

02:40:42.000 Like, if you have the Mona Lisa, right?

02:40:46.000 The Mona Lisa is on your wall.

02:40:48.000 You could stand there and you could look at the paint strokes.

02:40:52.000 You're looking at the actual Mona Lisa.

02:40:54.000 That is the object.

02:40:55.000 You own that.

02:40:56.000 That makes sense to me.

02:40:57.000 Sure.

02:40:57.000 But if it's a print, like a photo, if it's a photo of the Mona Lisa and you have it on your phone and you say, look, I bought this NFT of the Mona Lisa.

02:41:06.000 It's worth a half million dollars.

02:41:07.000 I'll explain it to you.

02:41:07.000 Maybe this way it makes sense.

02:41:08.000 This is how it was explained to me.

02:41:09.000 Maybe this makes sense to you.

02:41:10.000 So you know how if you use an image on your podcast and the next thing you know, Getty Images comes back and says, you have to pay $500 for this or $1,000 for this or whatever it is because your guy, let's just say, didn't go take the right route to go get that picture.

02:41:26.000 That's really what that is.

02:41:27.000 You can get that picture, and you can find it on Google, and you can use it, but you have to pay the $500 to the person that owns it.

02:41:35.000 I see what you're saying.

02:41:35.000 So if someone got an NFT of Elon Musk smoking weed on the podcast, they would own the rice to that image in perpetuity.

02:41:43.000 So they could sell that.

02:41:44.000 The NFT of that.

02:41:45.000 Right.

02:41:45.000 Yes.

02:41:46.000 They could make t-shirts.

02:41:47.000 Would they have the copyright on the image?

02:41:49.000 It's not copyright because it's only in that world.

02:41:52.000 It's only in that.

02:41:52.000 You still own it for non-NFT world, but they own it for the NFT world.

02:41:57.000 You can make an album.

02:41:58.000 If someone has made an album, you have to own the NFT ticket in order to listen to it.

02:42:02.000 And once you listen to it, you can decide to keep it or sell it so someone else can listen to it.

02:42:06.000 But there's only like 10,000 tickets available.

02:42:08.000 There's a cartoon to send it to.

02:42:10.000 Say ABC is doing a documentary on Elon Musk.

02:42:13.000 They're going to call you and say, hey, JRE, can we use that clip with Elon smoking weed?

02:42:18.000 And they're going to pay you 20 grand for it.

02:42:19.000 Whatever.

02:42:20.000 The math works out.

02:42:21.000 They'll probably reach out to you all the time.

02:42:22.000 This is for NFT. In the NFT world, they would have to call that guy who paid you 5 to 10 million bucks.

02:42:29.000 I think in a few years from now, people are going to wake up and they go, what the fuck are we paying money for? 0.95

02:42:34.000 That's what's going to happen. 0.98

02:42:35.000 What is this?

02:42:36.000 You think?

02:42:36.000 What are we doing?

02:42:37.000 Well, Ready Player One seems sort of like a future to you, right?

02:42:41.000 Yes.

02:42:41.000 This is how you own things in that world.

02:42:43.000 Okay, that makes more sense.

02:42:45.000 Yeah.

02:42:45.000 That makes more sense.

02:42:46.000 That makes a little bit more sense.

02:42:47.000 That's how something's unique to you.

02:42:48.000 Okay.

02:42:49.000 It follows you around.

02:42:50.000 You're still not open to the idea of selling it.

02:42:51.000 No.

02:42:52.000 I'm too busy.

02:42:53.000 I'm not interested.

02:42:54.000 It would be such a test just to see.

02:42:57.000 Maybe we'll talk someday about this.

02:42:58.000 I'm not the guy to sell it to you.

02:43:00.000 It's not my world.

02:43:01.000 But I would be so curious to know what that would do in the market.

02:43:05.000 Yeah.

02:43:05.000 I don't know.

02:43:05.000 It seems like a weird money grab.

02:43:08.000 A lot of people have asked me to tweet their NFT sales.

02:43:12.000 I'm like...

02:43:13.000 No, of course you don't.

02:43:15.000 No, no, no.

02:43:16.000 Of course you don't.

02:43:17.000 That's a completely different story.

02:43:18.000 It's just all of it, you know?

02:43:21.000 How'd you get involved in doing your show?

02:43:24.000 How did I get involved with doing my show?

02:43:27.000 Originally, I was making videos, but they were only for my insurance company.

02:43:32.000 I started off with Morgan Stanley, then I went to transit and I started my own insurance company.

02:43:35.000 I was making videos that were unlisted for my guys.

02:43:39.000 When was this?

02:43:39.000 What year was this?

02:43:41.000 I don't even know.

02:43:42.000 2011, say.

02:43:44.000 2011, 2012, I'm making videos.

02:43:46.000 But it's only internal.

02:43:49.000 If I'm interviewing somebody, my guys would have access to it.

02:43:51.000 One day, one of my guys, Mario, says, Pat, why don't we create a live YouTube channel?

02:43:57.000 See what we can do with this.

02:43:58.000 I said, okay, cool.

02:43:59.000 So we started a channel and was called Two Minutes with Pat, is what the show was.

02:44:03.000 We did 100 episodes in two years.

02:44:05.000 Only one of them was two minutes.

02:44:07.000 Everything was 10 minutes, 12 minutes, 15 minutes.

02:44:09.000 And the complaint was, Pat, this show's a lie.

02:44:11.000 It's not Two Minutes with Pat.

02:44:13.000 It's like changing 10 minutes with Pat.

02:44:14.000 So I said, okay, we gotta change something up.

02:44:16.000 So one day I stepped back.

02:44:17.000 I'm like, I don't know what we do.

02:44:18.000 I say we call it Valuetainment.

02:44:21.000 So we changed the channel.

02:44:22.000 We called it Valuetainment.

02:44:23.000 And the main focus became capitalism and business.

02:44:25.000 So everything was around business.

02:44:27.000 And then eventually, a couple years later, we're running companies, all this stuff.

02:44:32.000 My life is so busy.

02:44:33.000 I'm like, dude, I'm done creating content.

02:44:35.000 I took a break.

02:44:36.000 And I took 90 days off.

02:44:37.000 We were at like 450,000 subscribers at that time.

02:44:40.000 Then while we're taking a break, life is peaceful.

02:44:42.000 I have more time.

02:44:43.000 This is a lot of work.

02:44:44.000 People just think you get on here and do podcasts.

02:44:46.000 This is a lot of work for what you do on creating content.

02:44:49.000 So eventually I said, if we come back, I'd like to interview people because I'm so curious.

02:44:53.000 I like people.

02:44:54.000 I like to talk to people.

02:44:55.000 I want to know what makes them tick.

02:44:57.000 So then we started doing interviews.

02:45:00.000 We interviewed, I think it was Jordan Belfort.

02:45:02.000 We interviewed Michael Francis.

02:45:03.000 And then that became the process of then you got Kobe and all these other guys that came about.

02:45:09.000 So it was business, entrepreneurship, interviews with unique personalities around capitalism, CIA, politics, sports, things that I'm interested in, bodybuilding, and then it became what it is today.

02:45:23.000 And just like a year ago, we started a podcast, which is a complete separate channel than the Valuetainment Channel, and that's the podcast we started about a year ago.

02:45:30.000 So that's an audio-only podcast?

02:45:32.000 No, the podcast is on YouTube, but we put it on audio as well.

02:45:38.000 So it's separate from the Valuetainment?

02:45:40.000 It is.

02:45:41.000 It's very separate.

02:45:41.000 Why'd you do that?

02:45:42.000 Why'd you make it separate?

02:45:43.000 I don't know.

02:45:44.000 I think it was more, you know, on the PBD podcast, I can talk politics.

02:45:49.000 I can talk politics on the Valuetainment side.

02:45:51.000 They're like, dude, we didn't sign up here for you to talk politics.

02:45:54.000 It was only business.

02:45:55.000 So I put that aside, and I'm just kind of separating that to be more entertainment, more content, more, you know, business stuff that's on there.

02:46:03.000 That's got, you know, a few million subscribers.

02:46:05.000 But on the podcast, we started fresh.

02:46:07.000 And on the podcast, it's a free-for-all.

02:46:09.000 I'm talking.

02:46:09.000 This is what I'm talking about.

02:46:10.000 I'm sitting there with friends, shooting the shit, and hey, all of a sudden we're talking movies, and we're talking this. 0.99

02:46:16.000 Same thing as what you're talking about. 0.99

02:46:17.000 When I was in the Army, one of my favorite things, Joe, that I miss from the Army, I was at the Army when I left.

02:46:21.000 People ask, what did you miss about the Army?

02:46:23.000 The level of freaking camaraderie. 0.88

02:46:25.000 Just sitting there till 3 o'clock in the morning. 0.94

02:46:27.000 You're having a cigar.

02:46:28.000 You're having whiskey.

02:46:29.000 You're having a drink.

02:46:30.000 You're talking about the craziest thing.

02:46:32.000 You know, most random things.

02:46:34.000 Some of the best podcasts I've ever done in my life was never recorded.

02:46:37.000 It's just a good dinner, a good conversation.

02:46:39.000 So then the idea came about, what if we start doing something like that where you can invite friends, people that you want to talk to?

02:46:44.000 And then that's what led to the podcast.

02:46:46.000 So, yeah.

02:46:48.000 That's essentially similar to the way that comedians are.

02:46:52.000 Like, after shows. 0.98

02:46:54.000 Always just hanging out, talking shit, having laughs until everybody's so tired we have to go to sleep. 0.96

02:47:00.000 Like, when we're on the road doing shows, we're always going to dinner late at night. 0.99

02:47:04.000 And we're always just sitting around making each other laugh, having a good time, just having a couple of drinks.

02:47:08.000 How sick is that?

02:47:08.000 It's fun.

02:47:09.000 It's great.

02:47:10.000 That was a big part of how the podcast came about, was because I have these friends that are fun to just hang out and talk with.

02:47:18.000 And the early days of the podcast, that's all the podcast was, was just talking to those people.

02:47:22.000 And then eventually it became talking to anybody.

02:47:24.000 How long did you shift until it was anybody?

02:47:27.000 Well, I don't remember who the first guest outside of that was.

02:47:32.000 I really would have to go back and look at it.

02:47:35.000 But it was slowly...

02:47:36.000 I got people...

02:47:37.000 I mean, the podcast back then was so small.

02:47:40.000 It was just...

02:47:40.000 They were being charitable to come on it and do it.

02:47:43.000 And I remember Graham Hancock was one of the first ones.

02:47:45.000 I was very, very interested to talk to him because I was such a gigantic fan of his work and...

02:47:50.000 You know, I've always been so fascinated by this idea of lost civilizations.

02:47:55.000 And Graham Hancock's idea is that civilizations at one point in time were at a very high level of sophistication, but were most likely wiped out by some sort of a natural disaster, whether it's an asteroid impact or most likely an asteroid impact.

02:48:10.000 And they look at it and he got together with this guy named Randall Carlson and Randall became a frequent guest as well and but Graham was one of my- Randall's an expert on asteroid collisions and common impacts and some of the things that have happened to the world like undeniably happened over the last you know X amount of thousands of years and then they they looked at their two work and they combined them together and they found sort of a working map of what's very likely to have happened To civilization somewhere around the neighborhood of 12,000 years ago there was

02:48:40.000 like a reset that was probably due to impacts and it coincides with they do soil samples core samples of the earth where they find somewhere around that same time period of 12,000 years you find the stuff called tritonite which is nuclear glass that happens when meteors impact with the earth and Same sort of stuff happens when they do,

02:49:04.000 like at the Trinity test, where they do nuclear explosion tests.

02:49:08.000 It's this glass that happens when, you know, the impact, the immense heat.

02:49:14.000 And so there's a lot of, like, physical evidence that points to this.

02:49:17.000 So Graham was one of the very first guys that I had on, and we talked about a lot of, like, these really amazing ancient artifacts like Chichen Itza and the things that the Olmecs left behind in South America. 0.99

02:49:30.000 Amazing, amazing stuff.

02:49:32.000 And so he was probably one of the first.

02:49:33.000 And then Anthony Bourdain, he came on shortly after that.

02:49:38.000 I started getting really interesting, compelling guests.

02:49:42.000 And then...

02:49:43.000 Did they reach out or did you reach out?

02:49:45.000 I think I reached out.

02:49:45.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:49:46.000 I mean, at that point, you were known, though.

02:49:47.000 You've been known for a while.

02:49:48.000 It's not like your podcast made you known.

02:49:50.000 You've been known for 20-some years.

02:49:51.000 Yeah, but it was still charitable for them to do the podcast. 0.99

02:49:53.000 I mean, the podcast was in a fucking room in my house. 0.98

02:49:55.000 You could hear my daughters yelling in the background at each other because they were like three and five screaming at each other, having fun. 0.98

02:50:01.000 So it was like, it was very organic, sort of the way.

02:50:06.000 There was no plan, like, hey, I'm going to develop this thing that's going to be huge.

02:50:11.000 It was never a thought like that.

02:50:12.000 It was just, I just did it.

02:50:14.000 And then as I did it, I kept doing it, and then eventually it became this thing like, whoa, what is this?

02:50:19.000 Did you think it was going to get this big?

02:50:21.000 No!

02:50:21.000 Seriously?

02:50:22.000 No!

02:50:22.000 So this is just purely accidental...

02:50:25.000 Just luck. 0.73

02:50:26.000 Just dumb luck, timing, and it sort of converged with my personality.

02:50:34.000 I'm a curious person and I like talking to people.

02:50:37.000 Extremely, yeah.

02:50:37.000 I'm very interested in the way people think and what makes a person very good at what they do and how do you think about things and how does the way you think about things differ from the way she thinks about things.

02:50:48.000 Let me hear her talk about it.

02:50:50.000 And then let me hear him talk about a similar thing.

02:50:52.000 I want to hear opposing viewpoints.

02:50:54.000 I like to hear the way people's minds work and the way they...

02:50:58.000 Are you an August baby?

02:51:00.000 Yes.

02:51:00.000 August 11th?

02:51:01.000 Yeah, 11th.

02:51:02.000 11th.

02:51:02.000 Yeah, okay.

02:51:03.000 Got it.

02:51:03.000 Interesting.

02:51:04.000 Yeah.

02:51:04.000 I don't know if that's real.

02:51:05.000 Do you think that's real?

02:51:06.000 No, I'm just...

02:51:07.000 To me, I'm more numbers than I am about anything else.

02:51:10.000 Like, to me, you know, I hire April babies. 1.00

02:51:13.000 To me, I trust...

02:51:15.000 You know, October babies for me are good with people.

02:51:17.000 It's very weird when it comes down to stuff like that.

02:51:19.000 Who was the first guest that you got that was like a guest guest?

02:51:23.000 We were like, wow, I can't believe I got this guy.

02:51:27.000 First, I got Robert Greene, which to me was very interesting.

02:51:30.000 Robert Greene, the 40 Laws of Power, 33 Strategies of War.

02:51:33.000 I got him.

02:51:34.000 We sat down.

02:51:35.000 I'm like, and then we ended up becoming friends.

02:51:36.000 It was very interesting talking to the guy.

02:51:38.000 And by the way, politically, he's very on a complete opposite side of where I am.

02:51:43.000 But we had great banter together.

02:51:46.000 And we had him on, again, a couple other times.

02:51:48.000 That was probably the first one.

02:51:50.000 Clint Hill was very interesting to me because this whole thing with JFK, I'm also very curious about what happened with JFK. Oh, the assassination?

02:51:56.000 Yeah, so I brought Clint Hill.

02:51:58.000 I know you're big on that as well, wanting to find that.

02:52:00.000 I brought Clint Hill.

02:52:01.000 He was one of the first...

02:52:02.000 There was four people in the room when they were dealing with his brain.

02:52:07.000 There was four of them that were in the room.

02:52:08.000 He was one of the guys, one of two that held JFK's brain, Jim Jenkins, and he stayed quiet for 50 years.

02:52:15.000 Quiet guy, married to the same wife, didn't want to say anything.

02:52:18.000 And the stories he said, very interesting stories he said.

02:52:22.000 That was Jim Jenkins.

02:52:23.000 And then I interviewed Clint Hill.

02:52:25.000 Clint Hill was a Secret Service agent, the first guy that jumped on the car when JFK got shot.

02:52:33.000 And he gave me his perspective, and that interview was fascinating with Clint Hill.

02:52:38.000 And then it led to many other guys that we had.

02:52:40.000 But obviously, if there's interest, the audience will feel it.

02:52:45.000 Just like probably when you do an interview, there's an interest.

02:52:47.000 There's a part of it that's going to pull because of you.

02:52:49.000 That you're interesting, but there's a part of it that's also going to pull if you're really interested in the topic that the individual is talking about.

02:52:55.000 You know, I remember one time I had a conversation with a guy that was from space, you know, was an astronaut, and what was his name?

02:53:03.000 Scott Kelly, okay?

02:53:05.000 And we had a conversation together.

02:53:07.000 It was a 35-minute interview.

02:53:09.000 I was like, within 35 minutes, I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

02:53:12.000 There's no more interest here for me, because I'm not one that's fascinated by space at that time.

02:53:18.000 I wasn't at that time.

02:53:20.000 And then I had the...

02:53:21.000 What's his name?

02:53:23.000 Greer.

02:53:23.000 Is it Greer?

02:53:24.000 Am I saying the name correctly?

02:53:25.000 Stephen Greer?

02:53:25.000 The UFO guy?

02:53:26.000 By the way...

02:53:28.000 Fascinating, complete different way of a guy telling stories than Scott was telling a story.

02:53:33.000 Then you do bodybuilding.

02:53:34.000 Ronnie Coleman, you sit down and talk to Ronnie Coleman to think about it.

02:53:37.000 Oh, Ronnie Coleman's amazing. 0.98

02:53:37.000 Dude, it's just ridiculous. 0.98

02:53:38.000 And you talk about Dorian Yates and some of these guys. 0.91

02:53:41.000 And then you talk to Yanomi Park and you see somebody that goes through, you know, what their life is.

02:53:46.000 And I know you had a, Ron, which was a fascinating interview.

02:53:49.000 What a crazy world.

02:53:51.000 Yeah, same thing about level of curiosity, of how it gets, how certain people make it to certain levels in life.

02:53:57.000 And what makes them tick?

02:53:58.000 How did they come up with their idea?

02:54:01.000 Even the mob, with these interviews with mob, you know, accidentally.

02:54:03.000 Michael Franchise.

02:54:04.000 Yeah, Michael Franchise, when I did the interview the first time with him.

02:54:07.000 And we had no idea what was going to happen.

02:54:09.000 And then the interview does very well.

02:54:11.000 And then I call Sammy Debo Gravano.

02:54:13.000 And I say, hey, Sammy, you know, I just talked to Michael Franchise. 1.00

02:54:17.000 I know who the fuck you are. 0.99

02:54:18.000 And I'm like, so what do you think about the interview? 1.00

02:54:21.000 What do I think about the interview?

02:54:23.000 Let me tell you what I thought about the interview.

02:54:25.000 And then he just went off.

02:54:27.000 Went off.

02:54:28.000 Two hours on a phone call.

02:54:29.000 Furious that I even interviewed Michael.

02:54:31.000 Really?

02:54:32.000 Yeah, furious.

02:54:32.000 I'm like...

02:54:33.000 You shouldn't have interviewed him?

02:54:34.000 Yeah.

02:54:34.000 Anyway, so...

02:54:35.000 Yeah, he didn't want me to interview him.

02:54:36.000 So he's like...

02:54:37.000 He's not a this.

02:54:38.000 He's not a this.

02:54:39.000 I said, Sammy...

02:54:40.000 Fair enough.

02:54:40.000 Then how about you and I sit down and let me see your perspective.

02:54:44.000 How about you and I dinner?

02:54:45.000 I would never interview with nobody.

02:54:48.000 Do you remember the last time I got any of it was with Diane Sawyer?

02:54:51.000 Do you know what happened in 1994?

02:54:52.000 What makes you think I would interview with you?

02:54:55.000 Cut to.

02:54:56.000 Yeah, cut to.

02:54:57.000 Cut to.

02:54:58.000 We first met him.

02:55:00.000 We go to this building in Phoenix.

02:55:02.000 And he says, meet me at this place.

02:55:04.000 Give me address last minute.

02:55:05.000 I go there.

02:55:05.000 And walk into this building.

02:55:07.000 Keep going.

02:55:08.000 Walk into the building.

02:55:08.000 Keep going.

02:55:09.000 Room's getting dark. 0.99

02:55:10.000 At this point, we're like, some shit's about to go down. 0.99

02:55:12.000 This isn't my career. 0.99

02:55:13.000 So I'm like, call my wife and tell her, babe, I love you.

02:55:15.000 Exactly.

02:55:16.000 And then there he shows up.

02:55:18.000 You know, there is Sammy.

02:55:19.000 We had the conversation.

02:55:21.000 Finally, he agreed to do the interview.

02:55:22.000 And then now Michael and Sammy...

02:55:24.000 Rudy Giuliani and Chaz Palminteri are doing the, what do you call it, the narrating, and that's now the sit-down between the two that's coming out.

02:55:32.000 The mob world is interesting, how they do what they do, their world, what values they live by, what happened to it.

02:55:39.000 It's an interesting world.

02:55:40.000 Everybody has a different thing.

02:55:41.000 That's fascinating to me.

02:55:43.000 And then accidentally different topics show up.

02:55:47.000 Iran became very interesting to me because of the life I lived and what happened with Jimmy Carter after he did the toast on December 31st of 77. He leaves.

02:55:56.000 Twelve months later, Kissinger says, don't worry, Shah, we have your back.

02:55:59.000 And the greatest revolution of all time without the main four criterias that cause the revolution happens in Iran...

02:56:05.000 And then the Shahs kicked out, exiled, after he changed all the things with Iran. 0.52

02:56:10.000 Yes, he had Savak.

02:56:11.000 Yes, he didn't do everything right.

02:56:13.000 But then that takes place and you wonder why that happened.

02:56:15.000 And then you realize in 1954, the guy signed a 25-year deal with Germany.

02:56:22.000 With the UK, with US, and I think it's Italy or France on an oil deal that these guys had a meeting in 77 to figure out where to get rid of him because he knew the oil prices were going to go up if Shah was going to be there. 0.97

02:56:34.000 All of these interesting things.

02:56:36.000 It's like you're digging in because part of it is your history.

02:56:39.000 Part of it is my history and I'm curious to know what happened there.

02:56:41.000 But that's this world.

02:56:43.000 And if other people find interest in what you're interested in, then you're lucky because you find the audience that's interested in the same things you're interested in.

02:56:50.000 Well, I'm interested in things that people are passionate about.

02:56:53.000 Like if someone's just into making tables and the way they talk about making tables, if I can listen, If I can listen to someone talk about anything, rolling cigars, whatever the fuck it is that you're interested in, when someone has a passion for something, it resonates with you and the way you think about the things you're passionate about.

02:57:15.000 People are fascinating.

02:57:16.000 And I think the more people you talk to, the broader your understanding of yourself is.

02:57:21.000 Because you get a chance to see these different human beings and the way they interface with reality.

02:57:28.000 It's very educational.

02:57:30.000 I've had a better education from doing this podcast over the last 11 years than anything else I've ever done in my life by far.

02:57:37.000 Do you read a lot?

02:57:38.000 And if yes, when do you read?

02:57:40.000 When do you find time to read?

02:57:41.000 I do a lot of books on tape, but I do read, too.

02:57:44.000 I read a lot.

02:57:48.000 It depends on if I have guests that are coming in and they have something that's heavy that I have to get into.

02:57:55.000 Sometimes I'll have a physicist on that has some book on tape.

02:57:59.000 Cosmology or something like that and astrophysicists. 0.99

02:58:01.000 And so I go, okay, I got to understand what the fuck they're talking about.

02:58:04.000 And so instead of just like trying to have them lead the conversation, I must have some sort of an understanding of what their field of expertise is. 0.97

02:58:14.000 So there's that.

02:58:15.000 Or, you know, sometimes I kind of have a general sense of a subject and I like to go in cold.

02:58:22.000 I like to not read what they're talking about because I want to be the curious person that goes, okay, well, how does that work?

02:58:29.000 Like, what is this?

02:58:29.000 I want to be in the moment.

02:58:31.000 How do you decipher between the two, though?

02:58:32.000 I don't know.

02:58:33.000 I just treat it like I just go on instinct, you know?

02:58:37.000 Like if someone comes along, like there's a woman on the other day that wrote a book on addiction.

02:58:46.000 And I'm very familiar with that subject.

02:58:49.000 And she's talking about dopamine.

02:58:51.000 Opioids.

02:58:51.000 Yeah.

02:58:52.000 So for me, I just wanted to talk to her.

02:58:55.000 So for me, I felt like that was one of those conversations I just wanted to be...

02:59:01.000 Enthusiastic and fresh and just trying to ask her what it means or why people do things or what are the triggers.

02:59:09.000 It really completely depends on the conversation and the wide variety of guests is completely up to me, which is the most fascinating part about it.

02:59:20.000 So it's only people that I'm interested in.

02:59:22.000 Good for Spotify, by the way.

02:59:25.000 Meaning, good for them to say, Joe, go do Joe.

02:59:30.000 Do your thing.

02:59:31.000 Because a lot of people are like, well, Joe can't talk about this.

02:59:34.000 Joe can't talk about this.

02:59:35.000 That's not true.

02:59:36.000 I would actually say, you've probably talked about more stuff that's controversial the last three months than you did when you were just on YouTube.

02:59:43.000 That's just because the world has gotten more controversial.

02:59:45.000 I've changed nothing.

02:59:46.000 And Spotify has asked me to change nothing.

02:59:48.000 But that's the part, yeah.

02:59:50.000 Kudos to them.

02:59:51.000 No, they've been amazing.

02:59:52.000 Yeah.

02:59:53.000 I'm very happy with them.

02:59:54.000 Especially when you tell me things like interviews that you do get removed off of YouTube.

02:59:59.000 You know, that's not happening to me.

03:00:01.000 There's none of that happening.

03:00:02.000 And I love that.

03:00:04.000 Spotify has given me no pushback whatsoever.

03:00:08.000 That's great.

03:00:08.000 It's been amazing.

03:00:11.000 What that does is, that's a form of competition, what you just said.

03:00:15.000 That is a form of competition for YouTube. 0.96

03:00:17.000 Because you leaving YouTube, they're like, shit, what do we do next if the next guy wants to leave that business model? 0.53

03:00:23.000 And that's kind of why I think, you know, Twitter, Facebook, some of these guys need some competition because if it doesn't want workplace, you know, they're going to go to a different place option-wise. 0.97

03:00:32.000 Spotify has terms and conditions.

03:00:34.000 They have those.

03:00:35.000 But they're not censorship-oriented.

03:00:39.000 They're abusive-oriented.

03:00:41.000 Like, if you're doing something that's abusive, if you're abusing people, you're promoting hate, you're promoting something horrible.

03:00:48.000 That's not true.

03:00:49.000 But that's...

03:00:49.000 But that's where Spotify draws the line, which is incredibly reasonable.

03:00:53.000 What YouTube is doing is arbitrary.

03:00:55.000 They're censoring people based on what they believe people should and should not talk about, like someone who's talking about, like Robert Kennedy, who has differing opinions about vaccines, or like whatever the fuck it is, whether it's about election fraud or lab leak theory,

03:01:12.000 whatever it is, that they were censoring They're removing from YouTube, QAnon stuff.

03:01:18.000 There's no threat of that on Spotify.

03:01:20.000 Spotify is not an American company.

03:01:22.000 They're from Stockholm.

03:01:23.000 They have a different sensibility.

03:01:25.000 Good for them.

03:01:26.000 Listen, I'm very, very happy.

03:01:28.000 When you left YouTube, did they ever reach out to you?

03:01:30.000 Was there ever a meeting you had with the guys at the top or no?

03:01:33.000 There was a conversation between my management and some of the people at YouTube, but it was very cordial and they were great.

03:01:38.000 There was no problems at all.

03:01:40.000 Their only complaint, I think, was that they wanted to know, like, why did I just leave?

03:01:46.000 Why didn't I talk to them before I left?

03:01:48.000 Oh, you had the convo after you left?

03:01:50.000 Yeah, I just announced it.

03:01:52.000 I just announced it.

03:01:53.000 But did they, if you're their face, were they calling you, hey Joe, is there anything else we can do for you?

03:01:58.000 Is there anything you need help with?

03:01:59.000 We had very fortunate and open communication with a member, so like someone from YouTube was in communication with us.

03:02:07.000 It was great.

03:02:08.000 I have no complaints.

03:02:09.000 The complaints were random demonetizations of videos that were arbitrary.

03:02:14.000 It didn't make sense.

03:02:16.000 Like my friend Tom Papa.

03:02:18.000 For whatever reason, his podcast got demonetized all the time.

03:02:21.000 And he's like the nicest guy on the planet.

03:02:24.000 Totally uncontroversial.

03:02:25.000 Didn't make any sense.

03:02:26.000 But maybe like...

03:02:28.000 There was a swear in the first five minutes or something.

03:02:31.000 It didn't make any sense.

03:02:33.000 You have some person whose decision it is to whether or not something is demonetized or not, whether you make money or you don't make money.

03:02:43.000 And it didn't make sense.

03:02:45.000 And to me, it seemed wrong.

03:02:47.000 Here's what's ironic, or here's what's unusual.

03:02:49.000 The moment I leave to Spotify, There was a three-month period where I was on both YouTube and Spotify.

03:02:57.000 I remember that.

03:02:57.000 During that three-month period, none of my videos got demonetized.

03:03:00.000 On YouTube?

03:03:01.000 None of them.

03:03:01.000 Zero.

03:03:02.000 That was from what, June to September?

03:03:03.000 It was a 25% increase in the amount of revenue that was generated.

03:03:08.000 So they were holding my revenue generated on YouTube back 25% due to arbitrary demonetizations.

03:03:15.000 And this is what I think the purpose of that is.

03:03:17.000 I think it's to encourage self-censorship.

03:03:19.000 I think it encourages people to self-censor so that you don't get demonetized.

03:03:25.000 Self-censor.

03:03:26.000 Self-censor.

03:03:26.000 I got you.

03:03:27.000 Self-censor.

03:03:28.000 The talent.

03:03:28.000 Exactly.

03:03:29.000 Got it.

03:03:29.000 You hold back because you don't want to miss out on that money.

03:03:33.000 And they let you know, hey, we're going to demonetize videos.

03:03:35.000 It's effective for most.

03:03:36.000 Yeah.

03:03:36.000 So it's still going out, but it never affected me at all.

03:03:40.000 I didn't change a fucking thing. 0.99

03:03:41.000 No, of course not. 0.99

03:03:42.000 But I would never.

03:03:43.000 I'm not going to.

03:03:44.000 I never would.

03:03:44.000 Never did.

03:03:45.000 I don't think you would keep the loyalty if you did.

03:03:47.000 You can't!

03:03:48.000 Look, if you're gonna do a podcast like this, you gotta be willing to talk about all sorts of uncomfortable and weird subjects.

03:03:55.000 You gotta be able to talk about things you're actually interested.

03:03:57.000 You gotta be able to talk about things that are controversial.

03:03:59.000 You gotta be able to expose light on injustice. 0.99

03:04:02.000 You have to be able to show something like, hey man, this is fucked up. 0.90

03:04:05.000 They're saying this is one thing, but it's not, and we're gonna prove it, we're gonna show it to you. 0.51

03:04:09.000 If you don't do that, then the audience can't trust me anymore. 0.97

03:04:13.000 So if I'm holding back and I'm not saying things because I'm worried about being demonetized, the whole show's fucked.

03:04:20.000 What feedback do you give to influencers or content creators like yourself that are running a podcast on YouTube? 0.54

03:04:27.000 What feedback do you give to them both short-term, mid-term, and long-term?

03:04:31.000 It's very, very hard because of the censorship.

03:04:35.000 I can't really tell you what to do or what not to do because, look, Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying, that Dark Horse podcast, the whole podcast has been demonetized.

03:04:44.000 Whole podcast.

03:04:45.000 Completely demonetized.

03:04:46.000 Based on what premise?

03:04:47.000 Based on because they're saying controversial things about certain therapeutic drugs that are used for COVID. Haven't both of them also taken vaccine, though?

03:04:57.000 No.

03:04:58.000 So Brett hasn't taken vaccine.

03:04:59.000 No, neither one of them are vaccinated.

03:05:00.000 Got it.

03:05:00.000 No, but because of their discussions about Ivermectin, because of their discussions about, initially, the lab leak theory, because of their discussions about...

03:05:09.000 There's some other controversial things that they've discussed.

03:05:13.000 Viruses mutating.

03:05:15.000 There's a lot of different things that they've discussed that, whatever it is, the powers that be, have decided that these conversations can't take place on YouTube.

03:05:23.000 Now, they can't stop them from taking place on YouTube because they're not saying anything that's technically wrong.

03:05:29.000 And they are evolutionary biologists, so what they've decided to do instead is to punish them.

03:05:33.000 Dude, that's scary.

03:05:34.000 I mean, you know, some can afford that.

03:05:37.000 No.

03:05:37.000 Well, I don't know if they can afford it, but luckily their book now is number two on the New York Times bestseller list.

03:05:42.000 Good.

03:05:42.000 Good for them.

03:05:43.000 Which is fantastic for them.

03:05:43.000 Yeah, good for them.

03:05:44.000 But that is one of the reasons why I left.

03:05:47.000 One of the reasons why I left is I had an opportunity to be...

03:05:51.000 The way Spotify looks at it, when I do well, they do well.

03:05:59.000 I'm under contract with them.

03:06:01.000 It's a good thing for them if the show does well. 0.99

03:06:04.000 YouTube's under contract with a fucking billion people. 0.99

03:06:08.000 If they can tell one guy, shut the fuck up, you don't talk about Ivermectin, or shut the fuck up, don't talk about Fauci, or shut the fuck up, don't talk about the election, they can do whatever they want. 1.00

03:06:19.000 They can do whatever they want. 1.00

03:06:20.000 And they just demonetize you.

03:06:21.000 And in doing so, they encourage people to self-censor.

03:06:25.000 So when the subject of certain things come up, to this day, there's independent news channels on YouTube that when they discuss, like Ivermectin, for instance, they don't say the word.

03:06:35.000 They won't say it.

03:06:37.000 Because if they say it, they'll be flagged.

03:06:39.000 So they say, you know that drug that we're not allowed to speak about.

03:06:42.000 And then they'll go on and discuss it.

03:06:44.000 This is how weird it's got.

03:06:45.000 Dude, that's very weird.

03:06:46.000 Very weird.

03:06:47.000 That's very weird.

03:06:47.000 So to independent people that are coming up right now, I don't have any advice for them other than stick to your guns and become undeniable.

03:06:55.000 Be undeniable.

03:06:56.000 Be so good that people want to tune in and they want you...

03:07:00.000 Great feedback.

03:07:01.000 That's great feedback.

03:07:01.000 They want you to listen.

03:07:02.000 They want to listen to you, rather.

03:07:04.000 They want...

03:07:04.000 They say this is compelling.

03:07:06.000 This is interesting.

03:07:07.000 I'm watching a human being that's actually engaging with other human beings in a very honest and provocative way and you're having these conversations that are interesting and I'm getting something out of it.

03:07:18.000 I'm getting a real value out of it.

03:07:19.000 Would you say avoid speaking in absolutes? 1.00

03:07:22.000 Sometimes, but I mean, you absolutely shouldn't fuck babies, you know? 1.00

03:07:26.000 There's a lot of absolutes out there. 1.00

03:07:28.000 Absolutely shouldn't murder old ladies.

03:07:30.000 There's a lot of absolutes.

03:07:31.000 But I think in terms of...

03:07:35.000 I mean, I'm talking specifically, you know, like where this is the cure, you know?

03:07:38.000 This is what happened.

03:07:39.000 This is this.

03:07:40.000 You know, only talk about absolutes if you know them to be true, right?

03:07:43.000 Like, if there's certain things that, like, there's certain things that, if you have an area of expertise where you know this to be an absolute rock-solid fact, like, here's a fact.

03:07:56.000 Absolutely iPhones are made at the Foxconn factory in China. 0.91

03:08:01.000 There's absolutely nets around that factory because people were committing suicide so often they had to put fucking nets around the building. 0.92

03:08:09.000 So those kind of absolutes, like if you know things like that, yeah, say them. 0.94

03:08:13.000 But if you tell people you absolutely should do this, you absolutely should do that, no. 0.99

03:08:18.000 I think you should speak Truthfully as often as possible you should really do it always and when you can't be truthful just keep your fucking mouth shut It's good feedback. 0.99

03:08:30.000 It's good feedback. 0.99

03:08:31.000 But the challenge long-term is going to be what happens there because even Susan's got a tough job. 1.00

03:08:36.000 You know, like Susan, the CEO of YouTube.

03:08:40.000 Oh, she's got a terrible job. 1.00

03:08:41.000 Terrible job.

03:08:41.000 And you saw when they did that 160 Minutes where the lady's asking her question.

03:08:45.000 I don't know if you saw that.

03:08:46.000 No, I didn't see it.

03:08:46.000 She's like, oh, dude, it's fascinating.

03:08:48.000 She says, why are you letting people who are not expert journalists say whatever they want to say on their channels?

03:08:54.000 What are you talking about?

03:08:55.000 She literally said that.

03:08:57.000 You know which lady it was? 0.96

03:08:59.000 That one lady that once interviewed Trump in his penthouse, and she said, Trump, I think you should do this.

03:09:05.000 And Trump said, well, let me do the job.

03:09:07.000 I'm the president, you're not.

03:09:08.000 I'm going to do whatever I'm going to do.

03:09:09.000 I don't know if you remember that interview with Trump with that one lady. 0.98

03:09:11.000 Yes.

03:09:12.000 Older attractive white lady who's very well-spoken, and they did that one interview where Trump got up and walked out, a 42-minute interview, some interview like that.

03:09:21.000 That lady's telling Susan, why are you letting just anybody create content there? 0.99

03:09:25.000 I mean, can you imagine?

03:09:26.000 Like, hey, because the professionals at CNN, MSNBC, these are the professionals.

03:09:31.000 Let them do the professional job.

03:09:32.000 Yeah, the cat videos are fine.

03:09:34.000 Yeah, the bodybuilding videos are fine, but not people who have opinions that are going up against professional experts like us.

03:09:39.000 Well, here's the problem.

03:09:40.000 The problem is the people that are not professionals are now having a far larger audience.

03:09:46.000 Oh, it's a beautiful thing.

03:09:47.000 It's crazy.

03:09:48.000 Beautiful thing.

03:09:48.000 It's crazy.

03:09:49.000 It's eclipsed them in an enormous way to the point where they're attacking content creators.

03:09:54.000 Whenever I got attacked by CNN, I always look and I go, look at that.

03:09:59.000 They got attacked me now.

03:10:00.000 They love you, though.

03:10:00.000 It's funny.

03:10:01.000 They love you.

03:10:02.000 What do you think so?

03:10:02.000 You're their favorite person.

03:10:04.000 Oh, that's sweet.

03:10:05.000 I think it's a love affair.

03:10:06.000 Oh, that's sweet.

03:10:07.000 I think they're infatuated with you.

03:10:08.000 They can't get you out of their minds.

03:10:10.000 Well, they're looking for things to be outraged about.

03:10:13.000 You know, Trump was their guy for a long time.

03:10:16.000 And now it's anybody.

03:10:17.000 It's fair game.

03:10:18.000 They're trying to find anybody who's outrageous, whether it's Jim Brewer.

03:10:21.000 Like Jim Brewer just was on Tucker Carlson talking about vaccine mandates at comedy shows and stuff.

03:10:26.000 And now they're attacking him.

03:10:28.000 I saw that.

03:10:28.000 There's a lot of outraged journalism out there.

03:10:31.000 There's things to be outraged about, like Afghanistan. 1.00

03:10:34.000 There's things to be outraged about, like, you know, you could go down the list.

03:10:38.000 We could do this all day long.

03:10:43.000 What they're actually doing is just trying to get people to pay attention to them.

03:10:49.000 They're not looking at specific, significant moments in our culture and our society and analyzing them objectively and intelligently.

03:10:57.000 They're not doing that.

03:10:59.000 They're just outrage mongers.

03:11:03.000 Credibility, you wonder, like, does it still work?

03:11:05.000 Like, do people still sit there and say, they're right?

03:11:08.000 Do people still sit there and say- Some people do.

03:11:10.000 Some people do.

03:11:11.000 What do you think the split is?

03:11:12.000 You think it's more than 55, 60% of- No.

03:11:14.000 No, that's why their audience is so small.

03:11:16.000 I got you.

03:11:16.000 Their audience is tiny.

03:11:17.000 Got it.

03:11:18.000 You know, they did a Brian Stelter, they now analyzed one of Brian Stelter's shows and the big audience, you know, the 18 to 54. It was like 100,000 people.

03:11:26.000 Oh no, do you remember the one guy that got on his show and he told him, he says, people like you, it's people like you is the problem. 0.98

03:11:31.000 You're the problem.

03:11:32.000 He says, you need to make fewer statements, ask more questions.

03:11:34.000 You make way too many statements.

03:11:36.000 It's true.

03:11:36.000 Yeah, the author, I don't know who it was that said that.

03:11:39.000 Maybe it wasn't even Bob Woodward.

03:11:40.000 It's true, but it's also, they're also a prisoner of the format. 0.96

03:11:44.000 The format sucks, okay?

03:11:45.000 You have a small soundbite. 0.97

03:11:47.000 You have a small segment.

03:11:48.000 The segment's five, seven minutes long, and then you go to commercial.

03:11:51.000 Then you come back, you got a new subject. 0.99

03:11:53.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

03:11:54.000 How are you going to talk about... 1.00

03:11:55.000 You and I, we talked about everything.

03:11:58.000 We've already done three hours.

03:12:00.000 We've talked about everything.

03:12:01.000 Everything from business to politics to why people have different philosophies in life.

03:12:07.000 These things have to be parsed out over long periods of time.

03:12:10.000 In order for me to know how you feel about something, I gotta sit down with you.

03:12:14.000 I agree.

03:12:14.000 We gotta talk.

03:12:15.000 I agree.

03:12:15.000 A long time.

03:12:16.000 That's how human beings talk.

03:12:18.000 What you get in those little short bursts is performative sort of statements.

03:12:23.000 One-liners.

03:12:24.000 Yeah, you get something that might highlight on YouTube.

03:12:27.000 But that's also why I don't agree with the current debate format that we have for presidential debates.

03:12:32.000 It's terrible.

03:12:32.000 It's a terrible format.

03:12:33.000 It's terrible.

03:12:33.000 Terrible format that they have.

03:12:34.000 That's why I propose, Joe, a Trump-Obama sit-down.

03:12:39.000 Well, Obama's not going to be president again, so having him as a— It's just because he's the face.

03:12:43.000 That's the only reason.

03:12:44.000 Look, I would do it.

03:12:45.000 I was willing to have Trump and Biden in together, and Trump tweeted it.

03:12:50.000 And I was like, oh, Jesus, what have I said?

03:12:52.000 Trump Biden is like seeing... 1.00

03:12:55.000 You're an asshole! 1.00

03:12:57.000 It would be hilarious. 1.00

03:12:59.000 The crazy thing is they're basically the same age. 0.99

03:13:01.000 And Trump's fat. 0.99

03:13:02.000 And meanwhile, he's just fucking go, go, go, speaks great. 1.00

03:13:05.000 At a whole different level. 0.99

03:13:06.000 He doesn't look like he's slowing down, by the way.

03:13:07.000 No!

03:13:07.000 He's the one guy that made it through four years in the White House, didn't even look like he aged.

03:13:11.000 Dude, in Florida, we'll sit there and you see these boats come by.

03:13:16.000 I don't know if you've seen the flags.

03:13:17.000 They're brutal.

03:13:18.000 They destroy Biden in Florida with the flags.

03:13:22.000 But Trump's everywhere.

03:13:23.000 DeSantis everywhere.

03:13:24.000 Trump DeSantis everywhere.

03:13:25.000 They love him in Florida. 1.00

03:13:26.000 They do, but they fucking hate him in California. 0.99

03:13:29.000 That's the weird thing. 0.99

03:13:30.000 It's like people get locked into a tribe, and they're very, very tribal with their politics in this country.

03:13:37.000 And when you love Trump, you love Trump.

03:13:39.000 And when you hate him, you hate him.

03:13:40.000 I mean, he's the most polarizing guy of all time.

03:13:42.000 They want to convert all these red states into blue states.

03:13:45.000 That's what they want to do.

03:13:46.000 You're always going to have red states.

03:13:47.000 You're always going to have blue states.

03:13:48.000 That's not the way.

03:13:49.000 The way is not converting red states into blue states.

03:13:52.000 The way is recognizing that we are supposed to be the United States of America.

03:13:57.000 We're supposed to be a community.

03:13:59.000 We're supposed to all be on the same team.

03:14:01.000 We're supposed to love each other.

03:14:02.000 We can have...

03:14:03.000 A difference of opinion about politics and finance and all sorts of different things, but still recognize that we are all Americans.

03:14:11.000 We are some of the most fortunate people that have ever lived ever in the history of the world.

03:14:16.000 We are literally in the golden era of life.

03:14:20.000 Even now during a pandemic, it's still a far better place to live than most of what human beings have experienced throughout history.

03:14:27.000 We're incredibly fortunate. 0.95

03:14:28.000 We've got to be fucking kinder to each other. 0.89

03:14:31.000 We've got to treat each other like we're all on the same team. 0.97

03:14:33.000 That's one of the problems with social media and the division that sort of encourages. 0.98

03:14:37.000 This polarization and the fucking conflict that the algorithms encourage. 1.00

03:14:42.000 It's just people are buying into it too much and you've got to get away from that shit. 1.00

03:14:46.000 Move away and just talk to real people out there in the real world. 1.00

03:14:49.000 I agree.

03:14:50.000 It's one of the reasons why podcasts like yourself and your show is so popular.

03:14:53.000 Because you're talking to people.

03:14:55.000 Yeah, I appreciate that.

03:14:56.000 And obviously, same as yours, man.

03:14:58.000 This has been a great conversation here today.

03:14:59.000 I enjoyed it.

03:15:00.000 I enjoyed your show.

03:15:01.000 You're really good at it.

03:15:02.000 And I really, I'm glad we got together.

03:15:04.000 Thank you for the invite.

03:15:05.000 I appreciate that.

03:15:06.000 I appreciate you about it.

03:15:07.000 Thank you.

03:15:08.000 Thank you.

03:15:08.000 All right.

03:15:09.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 23, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1711 - Patrick Bet-David

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