The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1730 - Cameron Hanes

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00:00:12.000 I told you about the mountain lion that Colton and I saw in Utah.

00:00:16.000 No, but you didn't.

00:00:18.000 I didn't?

00:00:19.000 No, I heard you talking to Rinella.

00:00:23.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:00:23.000 Dude.

00:00:24.000 Yeah.

00:00:24.000 It was giant.

00:00:25.000 You said it was huge, and you were in the truck.

00:00:27.000 It was huge.

00:00:28.000 Oh my God, I was scared in the truck.

00:00:30.000 It was like a giant pumpkin head.

00:00:31.000 It was huge.

00:00:32.000 It was a 170 plus pound cat, like big, big cat.

00:00:36.000 I've never seen one there, but they're there.

00:00:38.000 I've only seen a little one, like a 60, 70 pound one running across the street in Santa Barbara, and then one in Colorado I saw in the woods, like a glimpse, quick glimpse.

00:00:49.000 It might have even been a bobcat, honestly.

00:00:51.000 The one in Colorado was so quick.

00:00:54.000 The one in Santa Barbara was definitely a mountain lion because of the tail.

00:00:58.000 But this one was unmistakable.

00:01:01.000 This was 30 yards away, underneath a tree, at 7 p.m.

00:01:06.000 light.

00:01:06.000 So it was just starting to get dark, but I was looking at him through the binos.

00:01:11.000 That was this year?

00:01:12.000 Yep.

00:01:12.000 I was like, oh my god.

00:01:14.000 We were both freaking out.

00:01:15.000 He was so big.

00:01:17.000 He just crouched down there.

00:01:18.000 Oh! 0.60

00:01:19.000 His head was so huge.

00:01:20.000 It was a big tom, man. 0.65

00:01:22.000 Giant paws.

00:01:23.000 His forearms freaked me out.

00:01:25.000 The forearms were like my legs, man. 0.97

00:01:27.000 Like big, thick-ass forearms. 1.00

00:01:29.000 You gotta kill shit. 1.00

00:01:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:32.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:01:34.000 Meeting one of those fucking things in the woods would be... 1.00

00:01:38.000 Terrifying. 1.00

00:01:40.000 After doing that, it makes me want to carry a gun.

00:01:43.000 Really?

00:01:43.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 Yeah.

00:01:44.000 Like, because if you're in a situation like that, have you seen that video where that guy had to shoot that cat?

00:01:49.000 Yeah, I did.

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:50.000 That was intense.

00:01:51.000 That's intense.

00:01:52.000 I know.

00:01:52.000 Well, he's like, no, get out of here.

00:01:54.000 Get out of here.

00:01:54.000 And the things are looking at him like, I think I'm going to eat you.

00:01:58.000 And if he didn't have a gun, what the fuck? 0.99

00:02:00.000 I mean, I don't know if he was bow hunting or what kind of hunting that guy was doing. 0.99

00:02:04.000 I'm not sure.

00:02:05.000 I saw that clip, though.

00:02:06.000 He didn't feel comfortable enough to draw his bow if he did have a bow.

00:02:11.000 You know? 0.99

00:02:12.000 He'd be shaking and shit, holding it full draw. 1.00

00:02:15.000 Those things are so strong. 0.99

00:02:17.000 I mean...

00:02:18.000 All animals, even bear.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 You look at bear forearms.

00:02:22.000 Oh, they're massive.

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:24.000 Well, I remember that video, this one video of you in Alberta with that one bear that you shot, and as it runs, like, after the arrow hits it, it runs.

00:02:34.000 You're like, whoa, I did not know they could run that fast.

00:02:38.000 That was seven yards, and it closed that distance.

00:02:41.000 A second.

00:02:43.000 Maybe.

00:02:43.000 It was crazy!

00:02:44.000 It was intense.

00:02:45.000 You think, because normally they're kind of lumbering, you know, they're kind of slow.

00:02:51.000 I guess they're conserving energy.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 Because when they want to go...

00:02:55.000 When they can explode, they can explode.

00:02:57.000 It's weird to watch.

00:02:59.000 It's like, because you don't think something that big can move that fast.

00:03:02.000 No.

00:03:03.000 They're amazing.

00:03:04.000 But those wild animals who, you know, especially cats, I mean, they've got to be predators.

00:03:09.000 So they've got to kill with their face, you know, as you've talked about.

00:03:12.000 But bear, too. 0.99

00:03:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:16.000 Incredible.

00:03:16.000 It's a wild world out there, mister.

00:03:18.000 It is.

00:03:19.000 It is.

00:03:20.000 It really is.

00:03:20.000 So you're just back from Colorado.

00:03:22.000 Yeah.

00:03:23.000 You've had a wild season, man.

00:03:24.000 Yeah.

00:03:25.000 Is this your best season ever?

00:03:27.000 For bow hunting?

00:03:28.000 I don't know.

00:03:30.000 You got plenty of meat, I'll tell you that.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 Giving a lot out to friends, huh?

00:03:33.000 Yeah.

00:03:34.000 No, it's pretty cool because I have these two coolers at work in the lunchroom, and I just take meat in there and fill up those coolers and say, you know, free meat.

00:03:48.000 And people love it there because there's a lot of people who don't hunt, you know, have no interest in hunting, but they love eating elk and different things.

00:03:56.000 I always ask where it's from.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:00.000 Sausage.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 Hamburger.

00:04:02.000 You know, anybody can use hamburger for tacos.

00:04:06.000 Yep.

00:04:06.000 Spaghetti.

00:04:07.000 So yeah, it goes quick.

00:04:08.000 And I love giving it out.

00:04:10.000 Yeah, hamburger and spaghetti sauce.

00:04:12.000 The ground elk in spaghetti sauce.

00:04:15.000 Amazing.

00:04:16.000 So good.

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:17.000 I had some salami made out of the stuff that I got in Utah for the first time.

00:04:22.000 Oh.

00:04:22.000 It's out there right now.

00:04:23.000 We have the commercial freezes at the studio.

00:04:25.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 I haven't had any of it yet.

00:04:27.000 Oh, it's so good.

00:04:28.000 Yeah.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, I did...

00:04:30.000 Oh, pepperoni sticks.

00:04:33.000 Yeah, pepperoni sticks off my Oregon bowl.

00:04:35.000 And oh my God, the best pepperoni sticks.

00:04:37.000 You know, normally at the gas station you'll buy pepperoni sticks and it's just... 0.99

00:04:40.000 They still taste good and they're just shit meat. 0.99

00:04:42.000 Who knows? 1.00

00:04:43.000 Probably off the floor.

00:04:44.000 But...

00:04:45.000 So you put elk meat...

00:04:46.000 Or pepperoni made out of elk meat?

00:04:49.000 Oh, God.

00:04:50.000 Yeah, it's sensational.

00:04:51.000 It's the best food in the world, man.

00:04:54.000 Yep.

00:04:55.000 So what's been happening with you other than hunting?

00:04:58.000 You got any wild races you're about to do?

00:05:01.000 No.

00:05:02.000 Are you laying off those for a while?

00:05:04.000 No.

00:05:04.000 No, just hunting.

00:05:06.000 You know, I mean, that's all my...

00:05:07.000 You know, it's...

00:05:08.000 I don't know.

00:05:09.000 I think what I like, or my whole thing is...

00:05:13.000 And you know this well, but I train for one reason, for bow hunting.

00:05:17.000 And it's like, I feel...

00:05:19.000 I feel so lucky to have that purpose because there's all sorts of advantages to working out and being in shape and being capable and healthy and everything else, but when you have a purpose, like I have a purpose and other people have different purposes,

00:05:37.000 but if I see people in the gym, like guys in the gym and they're just training, I feel not bad or I don't really know how I feel, but Because if the goal is just to be big, it just is not the same as having a purpose.

00:05:54.000 Right.

00:05:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:55.000 So I'm training for one thing, and so that right now, this is my Super Bowl.

00:06:02.000 Right, right.

00:06:03.000 Hunting season.

00:06:04.000 All season, this is what it's for.

00:06:06.000 So yeah, I'm just hunting right now.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, for a lot of fighters, they have a hard time training after they're done competing.

00:06:13.000 Right.

00:06:13.000 Like, a lot of them get fat.

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:15.000 Because they're done.

00:06:16.000 And so they don't have any reason to train hard.

00:06:19.000 They lost their purpose, yeah.

00:06:20.000 Yeah.

00:06:21.000 But some of them just figure out a new way to fight.

00:06:24.000 Like, George St. Pierre isn't as good a shape as he's ever been in.

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:27.000 Because he's essentially like a lifelong martial artist.

00:06:29.000 So his purpose is always to better himself.

00:06:32.000 It's always to be better than he was before.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:34.000 So when George took all those years off and then came back and fought Michael Bisping, everybody's like, is he going to be rusty?

00:06:41.000 Well, it turns out he's even better than he was before, which is crazy.

00:06:44.000 That's what he had said, but people always say that.

00:06:47.000 I am better than I was before, but he actually was better.

00:06:50.000 He actually was.

00:06:52.000 Yeah, well, he looked good against Bisping.

00:06:53.000 He looked amazing against Bisping.

00:06:55.000 So we're headed to the fights this weekend.

00:06:57.000 Oh, my God.

00:06:58.000 I can't wait.

00:06:58.000 Woo!

00:06:59.000 What a card that is!

00:07:00.000 Jamie, pull up that card.

00:07:01.000 Because this UFC card this weekend is bananas.

00:07:05.000 There's Rose Namajunas versus Zhang Weili, the rematch, which is going to be crazy. 0.77

00:07:11.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 Because Rose head kicked her early in the first round and KO'd her in their first fight.

00:07:15.000 And that lady has the weight of China on her back. 1.00

00:07:20.000 Look at this fucking card. 1.00

00:07:22.000 Pull up the whole card so we can see it, because it's crazy. 1.00

00:07:26.000 Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Vera.

00:07:28.000 That's a big fight.

00:07:30.000 Shane Burgos versus Billy Quarantillo.

00:07:36.000 Quarantillo?

00:07:37.000 I wonder how he'd say it.

00:07:38.000 Quarantillo.

00:07:38.000 I don't know.

00:07:39.000 I like him, though.

00:07:40.000 Yes.

00:07:41.000 Tough dude.

00:07:41.000 That's a great fight.

00:07:42.000 Shane Burgos is a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:07:44.000 And Justin Gaethje versus Michael Chandler. 1.00

00:07:47.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:07:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:49.000 And I think that fight opens up the main card.

00:07:52.000 Yeah, that's the main card first fight, which is nuts.

00:07:56.000 And then Alex Pereira, Cowboy Pereira versus Andres Michalaitis.

00:08:04.000 Al Iaquinta versus Bobby Green.

00:08:07.000 That's a crazy fight.

00:08:09.000 Chris Curtis versus Phillip Hawes.

00:08:14.000 Edmund Shabazian.

00:08:15.000 I don't know this dude.

00:08:16.000 Listen to that name.

00:08:17.000 Try say that.

00:08:18.000 Help me out.

00:08:19.000 You try.

00:08:20.000 Who, me?

00:08:20.000 Yeah, say that one.

00:08:21.000 I have no idea.

00:08:22.000 I can't do that.

00:08:23.000 I haven't done my research yet.

00:08:25.000 I'll do my research tonight.

00:08:26.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:08:28.000 How do you say it, Jamie?

00:08:29.000 I go Nasordine.

00:08:35.000 Nasordine Imavov.

00:08:38.000 And then Ian Gary, Jordan Williams.

00:08:40.000 Is that the end?

00:08:41.000 Is that all the prelims?

00:08:42.000 Or is there early prelims?

00:08:45.000 John Vellante.

00:08:47.000 Let's scroll up.

00:08:49.000 Chris Barnett.

00:08:50.000 Dustin Jacoby. 1.00

00:08:51.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:08:52.000 He was in the UFC for a while, then he went over to Glory. 1.00

00:08:56.000 And he had quite a few kickboxing fights.

00:09:01.000 I don't know these guys.

00:09:02.000 They're good.

00:09:03.000 If you're going to be on this Madison Square Garden card, it's a wild card.

00:09:07.000 They stack two big cards, well, three big cards every year.

00:09:13.000 One of them is this Madison Square Garden fight.

00:09:16.000 Another one is always the July card, like the one that's around July 4th.

00:09:21.000 The fight.

00:09:22.000 What do they call that?

00:09:24.000 The fans week or whatever?

00:09:26.000 Yeah, the fan expo.

00:09:27.000 The UFC fan expo.

00:09:29.000 And then depending upon when they have the card in December, sometimes they have a big New Year's card as well.

00:09:35.000 So my picks are Chandler.

00:09:40.000 Chandler over Gagey.

00:09:42.000 Interesting.

00:09:43.000 Rose.

00:09:43.000 It's a good fight.

00:09:44.000 Colby.

00:09:45.000 Well, you're friends with Colby.

00:09:47.000 Yeah.

00:09:48.000 Who was the other one on the main card?

00:09:51.000 Let's see it again.

00:09:54.000 Well, the first one is Chandler vs.

00:09:57.000 Gagey.

00:09:58.000 And then you got Frankie Edgar vs. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Marlon Chitovera.

00:10:01.000 Oh yeah, right.

00:10:01.000 So I'm gonna go Chandler, Billy, Marlon, Rose, Colby.

00:10:08.000 That main event is a tough fight.

00:10:10.000 It is a tough fight to call.

00:10:12.000 Yeah.

00:10:13.000 Because Usman has looked even better.

00:10:15.000 Since beating Colby, you gotta realize he beat Jorge Masvidal twice and Gilbert Burns.

00:10:21.000 Street Judas?

00:10:22.000 Yeah, twice. 0.97

00:10:23.000 He beat him once by decision and then fucking flatlined him in his last fight. 0.85

00:10:27.000 Yeah, but Colby would say he's got 20 losses. 0.96

00:10:31.000 Street Judas?

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 Well, are you speaking for Colby?

00:10:35.000 And then Colby just ran right through Tyron Woodley.

00:10:38.000 That was a big fight for him.

00:10:39.000 Yeah.

00:10:41.000 I think he's the hardest challenge for Usman because he's got the longest gas tank.

00:10:47.000 His gas tank is crazy.

00:10:48.000 Colby has excellent wrestling, and his striking volume is insane.

00:10:55.000 Like, both of these guys, one of the things they both have is they never fade.

00:11:00.000 Both of these guys never fade.

00:11:01.000 I was impressed with Usman last time against Colby. 0.98

00:11:05.000 I've been impressed with him every fucking fight of his career. 1.00

00:11:07.000 He's a monster. 0.99

00:11:08.000 I figured Colby would put the pressure on and he'd get more gassed, but man, he's right there.

00:11:14.000 He's got amazing endurance.

00:11:16.000 His mind is bulletproof.

00:11:18.000 That dude has serious knee problems and you never hear a thing about it.

00:11:23.000 Like, he can't run.

00:11:24.000 His knees are destroyed.

00:11:25.000 He actually had, they do this particular type, he talked about it on the podcast.

00:11:30.000 There's a particular type of procedure they do where they fracture.

00:11:34.000 The microblate.

00:11:35.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 Microfracture.

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 They do it in the cartilage to try to make the cartilage regrow and it didn't work.

00:11:41.000 It had the opposite effect. 0.97

00:11:42.000 It fucked his knees up worse. 0.99

00:11:43.000 I saw him come. 0.99

00:11:44.000 I was watching the Embedded like everybody does.

00:11:48.000 And I saw him coming down the stairs of a plane.

00:11:50.000 And he looked like coming back gingerly.

00:11:53.000 Yeah.

00:11:53.000 Like painful.

00:11:54.000 It hurts.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 Looked like me coming downstairs in the morning.

00:11:57.000 But the thing is, when he fights, he ignores it.

00:12:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:00.000 He ignores all that shit. 1.00

00:12:01.000 And he openly said, he said, listen, I know I'm going to get my knees replaced when I'm done fighting. 1.00

00:12:06.000 He goes, so for now, I just go hard.

00:12:08.000 I think he's like, now he, I saw him talking about fighting Canelo.

00:12:13.000 That's interesting.

00:12:15.000 That was today. 0.99

00:12:18.000 I get that he would want to do that for the money, but if an MMA fighter wants to fight Canelo, really they should say, come over to MMA, bitch. 1.00

00:12:28.000 Straight boxing against Canelo, it's tough. 0.97

00:12:32.000 Yeah.

00:12:32.000 Well, Canelo's fighting at the same night.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:34.000 He's fighting Caleb Plant, which is one of the more interesting fights that's available for Canelo, other than the Triple G rematch, the rubber match with Triple G. I think this Caleb Plant character is slick.

00:12:47.000 He's a very good boxer.

00:12:49.000 Does he have a chance?

00:12:49.000 He's got a chance.

00:12:50.000 Yeah.

00:12:50.000 I mean, for sure, Canelo's the favorite, because if you look at his resume, Canelo has a much better resume in terms of the guys he's beaten.

00:12:58.000 That's where it matters.

00:13:00.000 Because Caleb Plant is super skillful, and he's a legit world champion, but he has not faced the level of opposition that Canelo has faced.

00:13:12.000 Doesn't mean he can't win, but Billy Joe Saunders also looked like a world beater before he fought Canelo, and then Canelo crushed his face.

00:13:22.000 I mean, he probably retired him.

00:13:25.000 You ever see the pictures of Billy Joe Saunders' face?

00:13:28.000 No.

00:13:29.000 Oh my god.

00:13:30.000 When they talk about, they showed an image of his skull, or a skull, and all the areas that were repaired on his face.

00:13:39.000 And there's just plate here, plate here.

00:13:42.000 After the fight?

00:13:43.000 His orbital was shattered.

00:13:44.000 His cheekbones were shattered.

00:13:46.000 I think the way the cheekbone connects to the upper jaw was cracked.

00:13:51.000 Wow.

00:13:52.000 Look at that.

00:13:53.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Look at all that shit. 1.00

00:13:55.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

00:13:56.000 So the orbital...

00:13:58.000 See that stuff in the back of his eye?

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:00.000 The bone that's like the shelf that holds the eyeball in got crushed.

00:14:04.000 Oh my God.

00:14:05.000 So they have to go in and they put all these plates... 0.55

00:14:09.000 Underneath where the eyeball sits and then on the outside on the upper left side of the eyeball that's cracked the lower sides cracked and then look how the cheekbones cracked all the way down to the upper jaw and Then the upper jaw on the where the hinges is cracked I mean his whole face got fucking caved in God and that's what those big boxing gloves crazy How amazing is that?

00:14:33.000 That's power.

00:14:34.000 It was also perfect timing.

00:14:37.000 Yeah.

00:14:37.000 Because Canelo has ridiculous power, but his timing was perfect.

00:14:41.000 He caught Billy Joe leaning down, and he uppercutted him as he was leaning down.

00:14:46.000 So it was the force of the lean down along with the force of the uppercut, and his face just exploded.

00:14:51.000 Did that end the fight?

00:14:52.000 Yeah, that ended the fight.

00:14:53.000 Yeah.

00:14:54.000 They stopped it in between rounds.

00:14:55.000 He knew something was severely wrong with his face.

00:14:58.000 Yeah, his skull was in tatters.

00:15:02.000 Yeah.

00:15:02.000 God.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, it's a crazy fucking sport, man. 1.00

00:15:06.000 And Canelo... 0.99

00:15:07.000 The thing about Canelo that's so interesting to me is that Canelo's a big puncher, but he's also really skillful defensively.

00:15:17.000 That's usually not the case.

00:15:19.000 Usually those big punchers they kind of wade in and they throw bombs and they're concentrating so hard on connecting with a big shot that they don't have like the sort of defensive skills that like a Floyd Mayweather has.

00:15:33.000 Who's the best defensive fighter ever in my opinion.

00:15:36.000 But when he fought Floyd, I think he had such a hard time hitting Floyd that he realized, like, oh, I gotta develop these kind of skills.

00:15:44.000 Then if you see Canelo, like when he fought Danny Jacobs, and he's fought in the second fight with Triple G, too, like, he developed these kind of defensive skills that he never had before.

00:15:53.000 And they keep getting better.

00:15:55.000 So now he's, like, one of the best defensive fighters in the world, and also one of the best offensive fighters in the world.

00:16:01.000 It's amazing.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, the reason why I brought that up is because Kamaru's definitely talking about he just wants the big money fights now.

00:16:09.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 So, I get that.

00:16:11.000 Well, he's probably a year away from a knee replacement.

00:16:15.000 Yeah, right.

00:16:16.000 If you watch him walking down the stairs like that.

00:16:18.000 I know.

00:16:18.000 Michael Bisping had both his knees replaced once he retired.

00:16:22.000 Yeah, I mean... 1.00

00:16:23.000 Same shit. 1.00

00:16:24.000 And his eye... 1.00

00:16:25.000 Well, his eye is not replaced, but it's fake.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, he has a...

00:16:28.000 Well, he has, like, a contact that he puts in that makes it look...

00:16:31.000 Yeah, it looks good.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 But I've seen him pop it out.

00:16:34.000 I have, too.

00:16:35.000 It's incredible.

00:16:36.000 It's snarly.

00:16:36.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:16:38.000 Yeah, so, I mean, my point was, if Kamaru starts, I was wondering if he's thinking about, like, the money.

00:16:44.000 So, you know, that what's the saying is the wolf climbing the hill is always hungry than the wolf on top of the hill, something like that.

00:16:52.000 So, I mean, you know, Colby's still trying to get up there.

00:16:56.000 Kamaru's been up there.

00:16:57.000 Do you lose that...

00:16:58.000 Hunger a little bit?

00:17:00.000 I don't think so.

00:17:01.000 I don't think so.

00:17:02.000 Not with that guy.

00:17:03.000 I think at the championship level, like the true champions, and I think Kamaru is like a champion of champions.

00:17:09.000 I think he's in this all-time great category.

00:17:13.000 Like, let's imagine this fight is not taking place right now.

00:17:17.000 And you're not comparing him with Colby.

00:17:19.000 You just look at what he's done so far and his skill level, I think you got a real argument that he is right now the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport.

00:17:28.000 If you look at what his accomplishments are.

00:17:30.000 One loss ever in his entire mixed martial arts career has run through everyone in his division.

00:17:36.000 Including winning the title over a dominant Tyron Woodley.

00:17:40.000 Five-round rout just destroyed him.

00:17:42.000 Beat him pillar to post every round.

00:17:45.000 And then you look at his fights with Masvidal.

00:17:50.000 You look at his fight with Colby.

00:17:51.000 You look at his fight with Gilbert Burns.

00:17:53.000 Gilbert Burns is a dangerous man.

00:17:54.000 And he put him away.

00:17:55.000 And Gilbert hurt him.

00:17:56.000 He hurt him in the first round.

00:17:57.000 Kamara recovered and smashed him.

00:17:59.000 Knocked out Masvidal with one punch in the second fight.

00:18:04.000 Mm-hmm.

00:18:05.000 He's a real argument that he's the best guy in the sport.

00:18:07.000 But if you wanted to see him challenged, you would want a guy who's got killer wrestling, that's Colby, amazing gas tank, that's Colby, unstoppable mentality, that's Colby.

00:18:19.000 And a guy who's been in there with him and knows what adjustments to make.

00:18:23.000 You know, I think...

00:18:27.000 When Masvidal took that first fight, he took the first fight on short notice.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, six days.

00:18:32.000 He had some good moments in the fight, but ultimately he fell prey to Usman's conditioning.

00:18:38.000 And Usman had said the reason why he was willing to fight me then was because he had a built-in excuse.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, I saw that. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Which is interesting, because that would have fucked with a man's head. 1.00

00:18:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:47.000 You call him a journeyman, and you know, that fucks with a guy's head. 1.00

00:18:51.000 Like, the difference in the accomplishments of the two are very different. 0.99

00:18:54.000 Like, Masvidal obviously has that giant Ben Askren knockout, and he beat up Nate Diaz in that fight, and Masvidal's a bad motherfucker, and a very clever fighter. 0.90

00:19:04.000 He's one of my favorite guys to watch fight, because he's so intelligent. 0.79

00:19:07.000 But Usman just demolished him in that second fight.

00:19:11.000 Demolished him.

00:19:11.000 That's what separates very good fighters from all-time greats.

00:19:16.000 And he had a full camp that time.

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:18.000 Masvidal did.

00:19:19.000 Didn't help.

00:19:20.000 No.

00:19:21.000 He actually helped him less.

00:19:23.000 But I think Usman's better than he was before.

00:19:27.000 I think he continues to get better, and he's training with Trevor Whitman.

00:19:31.000 He moved camps.

00:19:33.000 He used to be down in South Florida, and then he made his way.

00:19:38.000 It was originally the Black Zillions, then it was Stanford's, but he's now with Trevor Whitman, who's a real striking genius.

00:19:47.000 Trevor Whitman is a brilliant guy.

00:19:49.000 Yeah.

00:19:51.000 I've always loved what he's done.

00:19:52.000 I mean, because with Gaethje and with Rose, it's like, man.

00:19:55.000 He's got three fighters in the main card.

00:19:57.000 That's pretty crazy.

00:19:58.000 That shows you how good Trevor Whitman is.

00:20:00.000 He also makes the best gloves in the business.

00:20:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:20:03.000 His gloves are fucking fantastic. 0.95

00:20:05.000 Yeah, you've been lobbying for those. 0.98

00:20:06.000 Oh my god, they're so good.

00:20:08.000 Well, not just his gloves, his boxing gloves.

00:20:11.000 I use his gloves to hit the bag.

00:20:13.000 He makes the best shin pads.

00:20:14.000 He makes the best equipment.

00:20:16.000 Like, it's crazy that you've got a coach Who is also designing equipment.

00:20:21.000 And he was explaining to me that the foam that they use, the foam that most people use is not the best foam.

00:20:28.000 It's like the best cost-effective foam.

00:20:30.000 So he uses the best top-of-the-food-chain space-age technology foam.

00:20:37.000 And you really feel the difference when you hit things with his gloves.

00:20:41.000 It's better protection for your hands.

00:20:44.000 Yeah, I know.

00:20:45.000 I've watched some stuff on him, and I'm a fan.

00:20:49.000 He's a wizard.

00:20:50.000 He's a fun guy, too.

00:20:52.000 And he has a good relationship, a good rapport with his students, which is so important.

00:20:59.000 Because he's a good guy to get along with.

00:21:01.000 He's a fun guy.

00:21:02.000 And so watching him coach these people and seeing three top-flight fighters on the same card...

00:21:10.000 It's incredible.

00:21:11.000 I'm pretty intrigued, too, with the coaching changes for Usman and Colby.

00:21:16.000 They both changed camps.

00:21:17.000 Yeah, so what happened with Colby?

00:21:19.000 You're friends with Colby.

00:21:20.000 What led him to switch camps?

00:21:23.000 Because he was with ATT forever.

00:21:25.000 It seemed like, I mean, I don't know, it seemed like there was a bunch of drama down there, you know, because I think Poirier's down there and...

00:21:33.000 I don't know.

00:21:33.000 It seemed like he said that, or from what I'm seeing on interviews, you know, there was drama going into training and he just wanted to get away from that.

00:21:43.000 Didn't want to deal with it.

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:44.000 And that's a big organization down there, basically.

00:21:47.000 It's a lot of fighters.

00:21:48.000 And so then he switched to this, I think it's MMA Masters and, you know, small gym.

00:21:54.000 They give him the full attention.

00:21:56.000 Yeah.

00:21:57.000 I don't know.

00:21:57.000 Well, he brings the drama.

00:21:59.000 He shouldn't be shocked. 0.99

00:22:00.000 I mean, who the fuck causes more drama than Colby? 0.99

00:22:03.000 I know, yeah. 0.99

00:22:04.000 Still though, that's how he's so popular.

00:22:07.000 It's both things, right?

00:22:08.000 Which is rare.

00:22:10.000 Like, he has incredible skill level.

00:22:11.000 He's as tough as they come. 1.00

00:22:14.000 And he talks a lot of shit. 1.00

00:22:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:22:16.000 Yeah, that's good. 1.00

00:22:18.000 And most people don't know that he got forced into talking shit. 0.99

00:22:21.000 Like, the UFC was about to cut him. 0.99

00:22:23.000 They didn't like his style, they told him. 1.00

00:22:25.000 And so then he fought Damian Maia in Brazil and then called him a bunch of filthy animals and said a bunch of crazy shit. 1.00

00:22:31.000 Places of dump. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 They went crazy.

00:22:34.000 They took exception to that.

00:22:35.000 He went pro-wrestling heel.

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 And it changed his trajectory of his career.

00:22:41.000 What people don't know about Colby, what you know about Colby, is when you're with him in person, super nice guy.

00:22:47.000 Oh, he's actually soft-spoken.

00:22:49.000 He's a great guy.

00:22:51.000 He's had dinner at the house.

00:22:52.000 We had Elk and just polite, soft-spoken.

00:22:57.000 My wife and daughter, everybody's there just being as nice as can be.

00:23:00.000 He's a gentleman.

00:23:00.000 That's who he is.

00:23:02.000 That's the real guy.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:23:03.000 This other thing is like a character that he does, which is so fascinating.

00:23:08.000 It works.

00:23:08.000 I mean, I watched an interview him and DC just did just a couple days ago.

00:23:13.000 And I mean, DC gave him every opportunity.

00:23:17.000 He's like, do you ever get tired?

00:23:19.000 Do you ever sit at home and say, you know, could give it a rest and just be?

00:23:23.000 And he's just like, no.

00:23:26.000 He's like, I'm always, he's something like he's always on.

00:23:30.000 And then he's like, you know, DC said, do you respect Usman?

00:23:33.000 You know, I'm like as a fighter.

00:23:35.000 He's like, no.

00:23:37.000 So he wouldn't even...

00:23:39.000 I mean, he's sticking to the script.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, well, he's got that pro wrestling heel character down.

00:23:45.000 And if he ever decides to leave the UFC and go to pro wrestling, he would have a giant career in pro wrestling if he wanted to.

00:23:52.000 Probably.

00:23:53.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:23:54.000 If he decided, if he fought, let's say, whatever happens with his career, but five years from now, if he decides to go to pro wrestling, My God, will that guy have a fucking career over there? 0.98

00:24:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:06.000 He talks so much shit. 1.00

00:24:07.000 Oh, I know. 1.00

00:24:08.000 It's good.

00:24:09.000 I can't wait.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 It's gonna be an amazing fight.

00:24:12.000 There's something about fights in Madison Square Garden, too, because that place is the most iconic arena on Earth.

00:24:20.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 You know?

00:24:21.000 It really is.

00:24:22.000 There's no place like it.

00:24:24.000 We were there in 2016, right?

00:24:26.000 Isn't that when Conor won his second belt?

00:24:28.000 Yep.

00:24:29.000 Yep.

00:24:29.000 When he fought Eddie Alvarez.

00:24:30.000 Yeah.

00:24:31.000 When he came to the champ champ and he got mad. 0.99

00:24:33.000 He goes, where the fuck's me other belt? 0.99

00:24:35.000 Where the fuck is me belt? 0.99

00:24:36.000 Yeah, and we were down there for the Trump protest. 0.99

00:24:40.000 That's right! 0.95

00:24:43.000 We were there right after Trump got elected, and Cam and I went to the gym, and we were leaving the gym, and as we were leaving the gym, apparently a fucking protest had broken out, and we were like, oh, Jesus, we've got to walk through this. 0.93

00:24:57.000 And so we had to walk through this protest, and I'll never forget, like... 0.95

00:25:03.000 These virtue signaling people screaming and chanting.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:08.000 It was entertaining.

00:25:10.000 We were joking like, I'm sure this is really making a difference.

00:25:14.000 It made no difference.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:16.000 It's just that people love to hate things.

00:25:20.000 I mean, it really goes back to the Colby thing, right?

00:25:23.000 People love to hate things.

00:25:25.000 Mm-hmm.

00:25:26.000 And there's also people that love to hate the people that hate, and so that made them more into Trump than ever before.

00:25:33.000 The thing about Trump is, like, more people hate him than any president, I think, ever, except for Biden.

00:25:40.000 I think right now Biden's coming close.

00:25:42.000 He's pulling in strong.

00:25:43.000 There are different reasons, though. 0.98

00:25:44.000 Yeah, they more feel bad because he shits his pants and stuff, allegedly. 0.96

00:25:48.000 Oh, God. 0.98

00:25:49.000 Allegedly.

00:25:49.000 That's what I heard.

00:25:50.000 But I mean, he's clearly got dementia.

00:25:52.000 I mean, I'm going out on a limb. 1.00

00:25:54.000 People are like, who the fuck are you, a doctor? 0.99

00:25:56.000 No. 1.00

00:25:56.000 Listen to him speak. 1.00

00:25:57.000 There's a train wreck every time.

00:25:59.000 Something really wrong.

00:26:00.000 And it's sad.

00:26:01.000 And it's not fair.

00:26:02.000 It's not fair to him.

00:26:03.000 It's not fair to the country.

00:26:04.000 It's wrong.

00:26:05.000 And it's causing people to lose faith in the Democratic Party.

00:26:08.000 Like, for sure.

00:26:10.000 The Democrat Party is in real trouble with that guy at the helm.

00:26:14.000 It's not right.

00:26:16.000 But they hated Trump so much, they would take that over Trump.

00:26:20.000 Yeah, they took that over Trump.

00:26:21.000 Originally.

00:26:22.000 I don't think they thought it was going to be this bad, though.

00:26:24.000 They tried to pretend it wasn't, and they got mad at me.

00:26:26.000 Because when I said that I'm not a Trump supporter, I said, but I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden.

00:26:32.000 People are like, oh, Joe Rogan's a Trumper.

00:26:34.000 He's a Trumper.

00:26:35.000 I go, that's not what I said.

00:26:36.000 What I said is I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden because Biden is in a process of obvious decay. 0.99

00:26:42.000 And if you fucking people can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. 0.99

00:26:45.000 You're all a bunch of partisan weirdos who won't look at things for what they really are because if you say it, then people will get mad at you. 1.00

00:26:52.000 I'm not worried about saying things that people are going to get mad at. 0.88

00:26:55.000 So I'm just going to tell you what's going on.

00:26:56.000 That guy's dying.

00:26:58.000 He's a fading candle. 1.00

00:26:59.000 And you fucking idiots are counting on him to illuminate the way. 1.00

00:27:02.000 And it's not going to work. 1.00

00:27:04.000 It's not going to work.

00:27:05.000 I mean, he's representing us.

00:27:07.000 Where was he, Justin?

00:27:08.000 Where was that?

00:27:09.000 Yeah, the climate summit.

00:27:10.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.000 He fell asleep.

00:27:13.000 Falling asleep?

00:27:14.000 I mean, so you're like, wait, I thought this was important.

00:27:16.000 The most important challenge we're facing as a world, and it's so important you're falling asleep?

00:27:23.000 As they're speaking about it, it's like, what is going on?

00:27:27.000 It's not good.

00:27:28.000 And then an aide had to come over and wake him up.

00:27:30.000 Did you see that?

00:27:31.000 No.

00:27:32.000 Biden's asleep. 1.00

00:27:33.000 Shit! 1.00

00:27:34.000 The guy runs over. 1.00

00:27:35.000 You've never seen it?

00:27:36.000 No.

00:27:36.000 Watch.

00:27:36.000 The guy comes running over to him and just, Mr. Biden!

00:27:39.000 Mr. Biden!

00:27:40.000 And he's waiting.

00:27:42.000 No.

00:27:43.000 But it's every time he's featured on something, it's a train wreck. 1.00

00:27:47.000 By the way, I would fall asleep at that shit, too. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:50.000 What are they doing?

00:27:51.000 Why does everybody have to meet in person to talk about climate change?

00:27:55.000 What is the whole purpose of that?

00:27:57.000 Meanwhile, Russia and China was like, eh, you go ahead.

00:28:00.000 Look, I'm here. 0.99

00:28:01.000 Out fucking cold. 0.99

00:28:03.000 That would be me, too, right next to him. 0.99

00:28:04.000 I'd be snoring.

00:28:06.000 Yeah, what about the lady right in front? 1.00

00:28:08.000 She's asleep, too.

00:28:09.000 Yep.

00:28:10.000 She's nodding out, too.

00:28:11.000 So the guy's going, what?

00:28:12.000 What happened?

00:28:13.000 I've got my pen.

00:28:14.000 Let me hold my pen.

00:28:15.000 What happened?

00:28:16.000 I fell asleep. 0.99

00:28:18.000 I just shit my pen. 0.98

00:28:20.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:28:22.000 Okay, he's like, pay attention.

00:28:23.000 Time to clap, clap.

00:28:25.000 He has no idea what he's clapping about.

00:28:26.000 He's rubbing his eyes.

00:28:28.000 I mean, it's not fair.

00:28:29.000 The guy's 78 years old, and he's also had major brain surgery.

00:28:34.000 He's had amurisms, like serious aneurysms that would have killed a lot of people.

00:28:38.000 He had a widow maker.

00:28:39.000 It was like one of those things where most of the people that have it don't survive. 0.99

00:28:45.000 They have to take the top of your skull off, and then operate, and then sew that bitch back on. 1.00

00:28:52.000 What? 1.00

00:28:52.000 But I wouldn't... 1.00

00:28:54.000 I mean, whatever.

00:28:55.000 But he's our president.

00:28:56.000 It's terrible.

00:28:58.000 Well, it just shows you what's really going on.

00:29:00.000 I mean, you need to know...

00:29:01.000 In one way, it's transparent, because we've all wondered, like, how much say does the president actually have?

00:29:08.000 Like, what is...

00:29:08.000 How many people are really pulling the strings behind the scenes?

00:29:11.000 Well, now you get to see.

00:29:12.000 Like, it's clear there's no way this guy is on the ball in charge of everything.

00:29:18.000 No, but so I thought you were going to say, like, how much sway does a president have?

00:29:24.000 It seems like quite a bit because you see the way the direction of the Democratic Party is going.

00:29:30.000 I think that's the cabinet.

00:29:31.000 I think that's all the people around him.

00:29:33.000 It's Kamala Harris.

00:29:34.000 It's all the other people.

00:29:35.000 It's Nancy Pelosi.

00:29:36.000 Well, I know, but he's got a big part of that, you know, but it seems like it's just a free fall right now.

00:29:42.000 It's not good.

00:29:43.000 They can't get their infrastructure.

00:29:45.000 Or what was the big trillion dollar?

00:29:48.000 The Build Back Better.

00:29:48.000 Yeah.

00:29:50.000 That shit's all bait and switch. 1.00

00:29:51.000 Like, here's the thing they did with that. 1.00

00:29:53.000 They were like, we're going to make sure that people have paid leave, paid paternity leave.

00:29:58.000 And they, like, let you know.

00:29:59.000 We're going to put this in there.

00:30:01.000 We're going to put all this. 0.99

00:30:02.000 So free shit for everybody. 0.99

00:30:03.000 But then it all goes away. 1.00

00:30:04.000 By the time the bill gets signed, all that stuff's gone.

00:30:06.000 Yeah, but they can't get anything through.

00:30:08.000 Right.

00:30:08.000 They can't get anything through.

00:30:09.000 I don't think they wanted to get that through.

00:30:11.000 I think with a lot of those things, they propose them so that all the progressive feels really good.

00:30:16.000 Oh, maybe. 0.97

00:30:16.000 And then once they get it into place, then the big corporate machine behind, like, hey, fuckface, you're not passing any of that, right? 0.97

00:30:22.000 Right. 0.99

00:30:23.000 No, no, no, no, this is nonsense.

00:30:25.000 Yeah.

00:30:26.000 You ever see how big the bill is?

00:30:27.000 It's like, there's no way anyone's reading it.

00:30:29.000 No.

00:30:30.000 One of the Republicans, a Republican senator, held it up and he was saying, do you think Joe Biden's read this?

00:30:36.000 Oh my God.

00:30:37.000 Do you think Nancy Pelosi's read this?

00:30:38.000 They haven't read this.

00:30:40.000 Don't you?

00:30:40.000 I mean, politics.

00:30:42.000 It's just exhausting.

00:30:43.000 It's gross.

00:30:44.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:30:44.000 It's the grossest thing in the world, other than murder and rape. 0.97

00:30:48.000 It's the grossest thing in the world, right?

00:30:50.000 Other than like...

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 Other than those things.

00:30:54.000 And war.

00:30:55.000 It's the grossest thing in the world.

00:30:56.000 Yeah.

00:30:57.000 I don't know. 0.96

00:30:58.000 It's so corrupt and so dirty and I don't even know. 0.84

00:31:03.000 Because I saw this headline today about because of all that that happened in Virginia and all the results there recently. 0.65

00:31:10.000 And they're saying, you know, the Democrats are, I don't know, panicking or something like that based on those results.

00:31:18.000 And it's like, they're panicking because the thought of losing power.

00:31:24.000 And to me that seemed, I mean, do we care about the country?

00:31:28.000 Right, exactly.

00:31:29.000 We're not thinking about that.

00:31:30.000 Or do we just care about power?

00:31:32.000 Right, we're thinking about parties winning.

00:31:33.000 Yeah, we're not thinking about the country.

00:31:35.000 So it's like...

00:31:37.000 Why is that bad?

00:31:38.000 If it's good for the country, it seems like, okay, well, hey, we can get better.

00:31:42.000 We can do this.

00:31:42.000 We can do that.

00:31:43.000 You know, we lost for this reason.

00:31:45.000 We need to step up here.

00:31:46.000 It's like, no, that's not it.

00:31:47.000 They're panicking because they're going to lose power.

00:31:49.000 I was thinking to myself, God, what a mess.

00:31:52.000 It's a mess.

00:31:52.000 It's a mess, and there's a giant division in this country where people feel like the country's lost if their side doesn't win.

00:32:00.000 Mm-hmm.

00:32:01.000 And if their side wins, then they feel like they've got to hold on to this to fight off those other people on the other side, because those people are bad.

00:32:08.000 Here's what freaked me out, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of people.

00:32:11.000 The Biden administration blocked the release of the JFK papers.

00:32:19.000 JFK was shot in 1963. How weird is that?

00:32:22.000 They're like, nope, people are still alive. 0.98

00:32:25.000 Some people that would be fucked are still alive. 0.99

00:32:28.000 That tells me The government killed Kennedy. 1.00

00:32:31.000 There's some shady shit going on. 1.00

00:32:32.000 That's what that tells me. 0.99

00:32:33.000 Yeah.

00:32:33.000 That doesn't tell me that the mafia killed Kennedy or the Russians killed Kennedy or the Cubans killed Kennedy.

00:32:39.000 That tells me the government probably had that motherfucker whacked. 1.00

00:32:44.000 They're hiding something. 1.00

00:32:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:44.000 They're hiding something. 1.00

00:32:45.000 100%.

00:32:46.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. 0.99

00:32:51.000 It's 58 fucking years ago. 1.00

00:32:53.000 Yeah, and still got to still hide it. 0.98

00:32:55.000 Not yet.

00:32:56.000 Not yet.

00:32:57.000 Not yet.

00:32:57.000 Hold it.

00:32:58.000 Wait another 25 years.

00:33:00.000 Unbelievable.

00:33:01.000 It's crazy that they could even justify that.

00:33:03.000 That someone could keep historical information that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963. They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today.

00:33:19.000 It must.

00:33:20.000 It must have some bearing. 1.00

00:33:21.000 A president being killed. 0.98

00:33:23.000 Yeah.

00:33:23.000 And we can't know all there is to know about it.

00:33:26.000 Right. 0.99

00:33:26.000 What do you know, you fucks? 0.99

00:33:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:29.000 I want to know that more than I want to know about UFOs. 0.97

00:33:32.000 I wonder, what did you bitches do? 1.00

00:33:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:34.000 What the fuck did you do, Alan Spector? 1.00

00:33:38.000 I don't even know who that is. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Arlen Spector.

00:33:41.000 Both of them. 1.00

00:33:42.000 Fuck both of them. 1.00

00:33:43.000 Fuck both of them. 1.00

00:33:44.000 He was one of the guys that was on the Warren Commission Report. 1.00

00:33:46.000 I think it was his idea for the, I believe, see if this is right. 1.00

00:33:51.000 I think he's the guy who came up with the idea for the single bullet theory, which is the dumbest fucking theory. 1.00

00:33:57.000 Like, you're a guy who shot a lot of rifles. 1.00

00:33:59.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:34:00.000 When bullets hit bones, they get fucked up. 1.00

00:34:02.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:34:03.000 That bullet was pristine.

00:34:05.000 And they found it in the gurney.

00:34:07.000 Oh, look, magic.

00:34:08.000 Connelly, Governor of Texas.

00:34:10.000 Connelly's gurney, they found this magic bullet that they think did all the damage to Kennedy and to him.

00:34:16.000 Went through two people, broke bones.

00:34:19.000 And it was not mushroomed out or anything?

00:34:21.000 No!

00:34:21.000 Not even a little.

00:34:22.000 You never seen it?

00:34:23.000 I haven't.

00:34:24.000 Oh, you're in for a treat.

00:34:25.000 Generally credited to him, is what it says.

00:34:27.000 What's that?

00:34:28.000 Yeah, generally credit to him is what this says.

00:34:30.000 Arlen Specter?

00:34:31.000 Yeah, Arlen Specter is the guy.

00:34:33.000 He was a creep during the Bush administration.

00:34:35.000 I remember, like, listening to him talk on TV, and then when I found out that he was a part of the Warren Commission that actually came up with the single bullet there, I was like, oh!

00:34:43.000 So look at that bullet.

00:34:45.000 That's it.

00:34:46.000 Wow.

00:34:46.000 Exactly!

00:34:47.000 Like, as a hunter. 0.99

00:34:49.000 As a guy who's shot bullets, when you look at that, you're like, there is no fucking way. 0.85

00:34:54.000 And I've had arguments that people say, actually, that's not a good photo. 0.95

00:34:58.000 If you look at it from another angle, you could see that it has some distortion. 0.99

00:35:03.000 I'm like, shut the fuck up! 0.99

00:35:05.000 Every bullet I've ever seen that's been in an animal is mushroomed. 1.00

00:35:09.000 That's how they perform.

00:35:11.000 They mushroom out, and there's a fine line between basically coming apart to where the damage would be Dissipated?

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 Or, and then mushroom, none of them look like this, though.

00:35:23.000 Zero.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:25.000 There's other photos of it where it shows that it's slightly distorted.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, that's not even...

00:35:29.000 Right, but the re...

00:35:30.000 Like, there.

00:35:31.000 There's a good...

00:35:31.000 Somebody actually tried to say that to me.

00:35:33.000 No, no, no.

00:35:33.000 You should look at it from this angle.

00:35:35.000 I'm like, bitch. 0.99

00:35:36.000 It's still nothing. 1.00

00:35:36.000 You don't know anything about guns. 1.00

00:35:38.000 You need to shut your fucking mouth. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Because that's something that was shot into a swimming pool. 1.00

00:35:42.000 That's what happened there.

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:44.000 See, that's what a bullet...

00:35:45.000 That looks like.

00:35:45.000 Well...

00:35:46.000 Look at that.

00:35:46.000 They're even more mushroom than that.

00:35:49.000 So that must be one of the bullets.

00:35:51.000 But that's possible.

00:35:52.000 Yeah.

00:35:53.000 That's possible.

00:35:54.000 But yeah, like modern bullets.

00:35:55.000 The other thing we have to think of is maybe modern technology, the bullets that we have is better than the bullets they had back then. 0.95

00:36:01.000 But either way, there's no fucking way. 0.96

00:36:05.000 Here it goes. 0.98

00:36:06.000 Every bullet shows signs of damage, exerting force, breaking bones, damage to the initial shooting, except the magic bullet. 0.99

00:36:15.000 Yeah, there's no fucking way. 0.98

00:36:17.000 And they had to come up. 0.97

00:36:18.000 Here's the thing about the...

00:36:19.000 This is the thing about the theory.

00:36:21.000 Like, by the way, I have...

00:36:23.000 I've lost months of my life studying the JFK assassination.

00:36:27.000 I really have.

00:36:28.000 I've spent so much time reading books on the JFK assassination.

00:36:32.000 But one of the reasons why they had to come up with this theory that this one bullet did so much damage is they had to account for three gunshots.

00:36:41.000 And once they found out that a bullet had hit an underpass and it had chipped the curbstone and ricocheted up and hit this guy.

00:36:51.000 I think?

00:36:55.000 I think?

00:37:10.000 It went into Connolly, threw his wrist, and I believe it wound up in his thigh.

00:37:14.000 Yeah, this is how they think the bullet went.

00:37:18.000 And people say, no, no, you have to take into account that Kennedy was in an elevated position.

00:37:24.000 Listen, bullets do wacky things when they go into animals.

00:37:28.000 And I was talking to a guy once that told me, In the war that they shot a guy in the head and the bullet came out of his eye going forward.

00:37:39.000 Like it ricocheted off the back of his skull.

00:37:42.000 Really?

00:37:42.000 Yeah.

00:37:43.000 He goes, bullets do wild things when they hit bones and ricochet off stuff, but they don't take turns.

00:37:50.000 No.

00:37:51.000 They don't take turns like that.

00:37:52.000 There's a reason why the bullet would ricochet inside someone's head and then come out.

00:37:56.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Like the initial impact is slightly slowed down.

00:37:59.000 It bounces off the back of the skull.

00:38:01.000 And then comes out, like it probably clipped the eyebrow or something coming in.

00:38:04.000 But either way, they don't come out looking like that!

00:38:07.000 No. 1.00

00:38:08.000 Not after they did all that shit! 1.00

00:38:09.000 And there was more damage. 1.00

00:38:12.000 There's more, rather, fragments inside Connelly's body.

00:38:16.000 More bullet fragments they found in Connelly's wrist that were missing from the bullet.

00:38:20.000 They should have immediately discounted that bullet and said, who gave you this bullet? 1.00

00:38:24.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

00:38:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:26.000 Where did this bullet come from for real? 1.00

00:38:28.000 You're under arrest.

00:38:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:29.000 You're under arrest, because I want to know where you got this fucking bullet. 1.00

00:38:33.000 You're going to start talking. 0.99

00:38:35.000 Why can't we see that information?

00:38:36.000 That's in there.

00:38:37.000 Also, the hole in Kennedy's neck.

00:38:42.000 In Dallas, it was called an exit wound.

00:38:48.000 It was a bullet hole.

00:38:51.000 But then in Bethesda, Maryland, they said it was a tracheotomy hole. 1.00

00:38:55.000 His fucking head was missing. 1.00

00:38:58.000 Why are they doing a trach on him? 1.00

00:38:59.000 Why would they do that? 1.00

00:39:01.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:39:02.000 Bullshit. 1.00

00:39:03.000 And then we didn't really know anything until they saw the Zapruder film. 0.99

00:39:07.000 The Zapruder film which came out, we talked about this yesterday, came out in 73, right?

00:39:12.000 No, 75?

00:39:13.000 75. So it was 12 years after the assassination that Geraldo Rivera and Dick Gregory played the Zapruder film on television.

00:39:21.000 That was the first time anybody had ever seen it outside of those folks.

00:39:24.000 You know what they need to do?

00:39:25.000 They need to put you in charge of the investigation I'll be dead in a week. 0.99

00:39:30.000 Listen, it's amazing to keep me alive just talking shit on this podcast. 0.99

00:39:33.000 I know. 0.99

00:39:34.000 I'm surprised Fauci hasn't knocked you off yet.

00:39:37.000 That guy's got to worry about his own life.

00:39:39.000 The NIH is going to take him out.

00:39:40.000 Rand Paul was grilling him today.

00:39:43.000 Today?

00:39:43.000 Grilling him today.

00:39:45.000 But you could see him panicking and trying to say, under the definitions of what is gain of function, and Rand Paul was just grilling him.

00:39:55.000 The NIH themselves has said that you're lying.

00:40:00.000 And you can see finally he's nervous.

00:40:02.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:40:03.000 Because he's been arrogant and smug. 0.98

00:40:05.000 Oh, yeah. 0.78

00:40:05.000 Because he felt like he was protected. 0.78

00:40:07.000 Making documentaries.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 Well, now he doesn't feel like that anymore.

00:40:09.000 Today was the first time he looked feeble and nervous.

00:40:13.000 Good.

00:40:13.000 Because he realizes the walls are coming in.

00:40:16.000 They're closing in. 1.00

00:40:17.000 That motherfucker is probably responsible for millions of people being dead. 1.00

00:40:21.000 God. 1.00

00:40:21.000 Or at least responsible for the kind of research that could have led to that leak. 1.00

00:40:26.000 And if that's where it came from, that's responsible for millions of people being dead.

00:40:31.000 And meanwhile, he's pretending he lied.

00:40:33.000 He lied and said that they didn't fund it.

00:40:36.000 They did. 1.00

00:40:37.000 And Rand Paul's been fucking on his ass the entire time. 1.00

00:40:39.000 For months. 1.00

00:40:40.000 This whole time he's been on him.

00:40:42.000 And with all due respect, Senator, you do not know what you are talking about.

00:40:47.000 But he did know.

00:40:48.000 He did know.

00:40:49.000 And now Fauci knows.

00:40:50.000 The world knows.

00:40:51.000 Once the NIH stepped out and they said, no, this is gain-of-function research.

00:40:58.000 You funded gain-of-function research. 0.99

00:40:59.000 Then Fauci's like, his fucking heart's beating 150 beats a minute. 1.00

00:41:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:05.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:41:06.000 Did you watch his documentary? 1.00

00:41:07.000 15 times.

00:41:10.000 I don't know who would watch it, but he had one, right?

00:41:14.000 It's the most ratioed documentary that's ever been seen on Rotten Tomatoes, I think.

00:41:19.000 What is that?

00:41:19.000 If you look at what the critics say versus what the people say, it's like 2% of the people liked it.

00:41:27.000 Oh, so it's opposite of Chappelle's.

00:41:28.000 Exactly opposite.

00:41:30.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:31.000 Okay. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:41:33.000 It's so gross. 1.00

00:41:35.000 There's so much fake people. 0.98

00:41:36.000 Fake, corporate-controlled puppets brought to you by Pfizer.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, I know.

00:41:42.000 I've talked to so many people about that little clip.

00:41:46.000 It should be illegal.

00:41:49.000 If you're talking about those things, you should not be sponsored by those things.

00:41:53.000 Russell Brand actually had a good...

00:41:55.000 I watched a little clip he put together on that.

00:41:56.000 That was on point.

00:41:59.000 Russell Brand is one of the best journalists in America.

00:42:01.000 It's crazy.

00:42:02.000 Is he in America? 1.00

00:42:04.000 He is when he gets to my fucking phone. 0.99

00:42:08.000 I should say the world. 0.99

00:42:09.000 No, he lives in the UK. Yeah, I know.

00:42:12.000 I mean, he breaks it down.

00:42:14.000 He does.

00:42:14.000 And he'll talk about...

00:42:15.000 Like, he talked about how they were talking about you.

00:42:18.000 And so they would...

00:42:19.000 They would introduce you as controversial.

00:42:21.000 Ha! 0.89

00:42:22.000 I guess I am.

00:42:23.000 And he's like, he goes, how about respected or whatever?

00:42:27.000 I mean, but they use the word controversial to get that...

00:42:29.000 To dismiss me.

00:42:30.000 Yeah, to get the tone started going down that path.

00:42:32.000 It used to work.

00:42:34.000 All their tactics that they're saying, like dismissing people, calling them a this or that, it used to work. 1.00

00:42:40.000 The problem with doing that with me is...

00:42:43.000 Millions of people listen to the show, they know me.

00:42:45.000 I can't hide.

00:42:47.000 I've been doing this for so long.

00:42:49.000 There's so many hours of footage.

00:42:51.000 The people that listen know me.

00:42:53.000 So when you try to pretend I'm something I'm not, they're like, what? 0.99

00:42:57.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:42:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:59.000 We're in a weird time in this country, man, because there's so much censorship and these corporate entities that control these tech companies, right?

00:43:09.000 These tech companies control a giant part of the discussion in this country.

00:43:16.000 Because if you try to say certain things on YouTube, you will get censored.

00:43:20.000 They will remove your video.

00:43:22.000 They will take it down.

00:43:23.000 They will demonetize you. 0.99

00:43:25.000 They will remove you.

00:43:26.000 First of all, they will try to disincentivize you.

00:43:29.000 They will try to make it so that you will not make money if you talk about alternative methods of treating COVID. Even if you're a doctor.

00:43:38.000 Even if you're an epidemiologist, you're a scientist.

00:43:41.000 They've deplatformed doctors.

00:43:43.000 Yes.

00:43:43.000 They've removed Senate testimony by doctors telling congressmen, telling important people in government how medications work, how diseases work.

00:43:59.000 They removed them.

00:44:00.000 They're like, we know better, we run YouTube.

00:44:03.000 Unbelievable.

00:44:04.000 And it's scary.

00:44:06.000 And the same thing with Facebook and these other social media platforms.

00:44:09.000 There's so much power now.

00:44:11.000 And then when you realize that these people are all in cahoots.

00:44:16.000 They're all in cahoots with the Democratic Party. 0.99

00:44:18.000 They all get their fucking talking points and what's legal and not legal to talk about. 0.99

00:44:23.000 And then it goes to mainstream media, to CNN. But what they don't understand is by doing this, they're just making people understand that the hustle is real. 0.99

00:44:32.000 That the fix is in. 0.99

00:44:34.000 That it is all a goddamn con game. 0.99

00:44:37.000 Well, when they see that now and they say, you know, ABC News brought to you by Pfizer, now people are going, wait a second. 0.99

00:44:43.000 Exactly.

00:44:44.000 This is why you'll never hear a negative word about the vaccine on ABC News because they'd be like, what the hell are you doing?

00:44:51.000 They're paying our bills.

00:44:52.000 They're paying you.

00:44:53.000 And you could say a lot of good things about the vaccine.

00:44:57.000 Here's the thing about the vaccine.

00:44:58.000 It's not...

00:44:59.000 It's not bad, but we need to be accurate.

00:45:02.000 Like, you can't not tell people about the negative response that some people have.

00:45:08.000 You can't not tell people about the adverse reactions.

00:45:12.000 Just say, hey, here's what you're dealing with.

00:45:14.000 You make the decision.

00:45:14.000 Yeah, you should know all of it.

00:45:16.000 They should report on the deaths. 1.00

00:45:19.000 They should report on all these soccer players that are having fucking heart attacks. 0.99

00:45:22.000 They should report on all these different things. 0.98

00:45:25.000 Say what is going on, but also show all these people that got COVID and they were vaccinated and they survived and they're okay and maybe they wouldn't have.

00:45:34.000 Show all these people that are older.

00:45:36.000 Show all these people with compromised immune systems.

00:45:39.000 Show your hands.

00:45:39.000 Show everything.

00:45:40.000 Show your hand and then people make the decision. 1.00

00:45:43.000 Don't force people into taking this shit. 0.99

00:45:46.000 That's where, like, and Biden is still pushing that vaccine mandate with employees or employers with over 100 people. 0.99

00:45:54.000 You know, and now they have until January 4th.

00:45:57.000 And that could be the way I quit my job.

00:46:00.000 Because there's more than 100 people where I work, and the general manager there has been pretty good about it, but they say if OSHA says this or it's a mandate, it's like, man, it's tough.

00:46:14.000 Yeah, it's wild.

00:46:16.000 I never thought we'd be in a position where an experimental vaccine would be something that people are forced to take if they want to keep their job or travel or go to restaurants or go to bars, especially when you have natural immunity.

00:46:30.000 There are people that have survived COVID-19.

00:46:34.000 Look at those antibodies, son.

00:46:36.000 I've got fat antibodies.

00:46:37.000 Oh, so you've had it?

00:46:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:39.000 No, you've had it.

00:46:39.000 Of course you've had it.

00:46:40.000 I've had it.

00:46:40.000 So I've got antibodies.

00:46:42.000 My antibodies are better than people's antibodies if they get a vaccine.

00:46:45.000 And I can't go places.

00:46:47.000 We're going to be in New York City tomorrow.

00:46:49.000 I can't eat there.

00:46:50.000 We have to go to Jersey.

00:46:52.000 Here's the thing, Cam.

00:46:54.000 When you go to Jersey, we're going to go to Jersey tomorrow for dinner.

00:46:56.000 When we go to Jersey, we're going to go to this nice steakhouse we went to last time. 0.98

00:46:59.000 There's fucking no masks. 0.98

00:47:01.000 Everybody's treating it like nothing's going on. 0.99

00:47:03.000 They're all fine.

00:47:04.000 I'm in the airport, and it's like these flight attendants, they're just like, mask over your nose, sir.

00:47:11.000 If you have it here right below your nose, no.

00:47:14.000 You're killing people if you do that.

00:47:15.000 Dangerous. 0.97

00:47:16.000 Mask over your nose.

00:47:17.000 It's like, are you kidding me?

00:47:19.000 How crazy is this?

00:47:20.000 Well, and also, they're cloth, these paper masks.

00:47:24.000 They're nothing.

00:47:25.000 They're not protecting.

00:47:26.000 There's all these gaps in them.

00:47:28.000 Have you ever seen when the doctor blows the vape through the masks?

00:47:33.000 I showed it to Sanjay Gupta, because he was talking about masks.

00:47:36.000 He brought up the fact that I sell masks on my website.

00:47:38.000 I forgot I sell them.

00:47:40.000 There was like something someone that works for me made these JRE masks.

00:47:44.000 But that was because you have to wear masks everywhere.

00:47:46.000 Well, you know, Brandon Bills, who makes my stuff, they said, hey, do you want to do masks?

00:47:51.000 And I'm like, no.

00:47:52.000 Good for you. 0.99

00:47:52.000 I'm not doing fucking masks. 0.99

00:47:53.000 Good for you. 1.00

00:47:53.000 I was a whore. 1.00

00:47:54.000 I probably made $50 and I looked like a piece of shit for it. 1.00

00:47:57.000 But this doctor made this video. 0.99

00:48:01.000 He put it on YouTube.

00:48:02.000 You know those people that make those crazy vapes, like the box vapes where they take a hit and it blows crazy smoke?

00:48:09.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:10.000 Well, this guy puts various masks on and blows through this mask with the vape so you can see.

00:48:17.000 And he's like, by the way- It's all coming through, probably.

00:48:19.000 Yes.

00:48:19.000 And the vapor, he's like, the vape molecules are far larger than the molecules for COVID. So this idea that this thing in front of your mouth is stopping COVID particles from getting into the air.

00:48:30.000 I will say this.

00:48:31.000 I had this mask the other day because it's like whatever for the airport.

00:48:35.000 And I had it on and I could barely breathe. 0.99

00:48:37.000 I'm like, what the fuck is up with this mask? 0.98

00:48:39.000 So it was actually an N95 mask. 0.99

00:48:41.000 Oh, good one.

00:48:42.000 Yeah, so it was one that probably does something, I guess, if it's fitted right.

00:48:45.000 But that compared to like the normal, like you just, hey, you got to have a mask, so you put this thing on.

00:48:50.000 Right.

00:48:51.000 I mean, I can breathe just fine with those, so they must not be doing anything.

00:48:56.000 Well, he even shows with the N95 mask. 0.77

00:48:58.000 It comes out the sides.

00:48:59.000 Yeah.

00:49:00.000 I'm sure.

00:49:00.000 Like, it comes out.

00:49:01.000 It's just so ridiculous. 0.93

00:49:02.000 It might help a little. 0.90

00:49:04.000 I mean, it might catch some stuff.

00:49:05.000 But this idea that it offers real protection. 0.99

00:49:09.000 Like, if you knew that you're going to wear one of those masks and walk into a plague house where everybody's dying in a plague, you wouldn't wear that fucking cloth, paper, whatever the fuck it is, thing on your face. 0.99

00:49:19.000 Those will work if you were going to cough and cough a loogie into somebody's mouth. 0.99

00:49:25.000 Watch this.

00:49:26.000 Show them with the paper masks.

00:49:28.000 Yeah, so go all the way to the beginning.

00:49:33.000 Watch this.

00:49:34.000 Look at this.

00:49:36.000 Is this the first one?

00:49:38.000 Get the first one.

00:49:39.000 Do the first one because it's got the goofy one. 0.97

00:49:42.000 Yeah, go to that one because this is the most ridiculous. 0.94

00:49:44.000 Look at that. 0.97

00:49:45.000 Bro, it's coming out.

00:49:46.000 The sides is coming out everywhere.

00:49:48.000 That's what I say.

00:49:48.000 You could cough a loogie and it would stop that.

00:49:50.000 Watch this.

00:49:52.000 I mean, this is nuts!

00:49:54.000 It does keep it from coming out a little bit from the front, but it goes sideways.

00:50:00.000 So you just make the people sick that are sitting next to you.

00:50:03.000 Like, look at that one. 0.96

00:50:05.000 It's nuts!

00:50:06.000 It comes out.

00:50:07.000 If you can breathe in, that means that you can breathe out and the air comes out.

00:50:12.000 Which means that...

00:50:13.000 I mean, maybe it's stopping some of it.

00:50:15.000 Maybe it's filtering some of it.

00:50:16.000 I would like to see, like, real data.

00:50:19.000 I mean, I don't know how they would do that.

00:50:21.000 I mean, I think they've done data in terms of infection rates of people wearing masks or not wearing masks, but it's so hard because so many of these studies, they're so biased.

00:50:30.000 You can tell that they're saying things because they want to come to a conclusion.

00:50:35.000 I believe you and Russell Brand.

00:50:38.000 Don't believe me all the time.

00:50:41.000 I believe Russell before I believe me.

00:50:43.000 Okay.

00:50:43.000 I believe Brett Weinstein.

00:50:44.000 I believe people that are sticking the neck out that are risking their livelihood.

00:50:49.000 Mm-hmm.

00:50:50.000 It's just...

00:50:51.000 The censorship is the scariest thing because people don't understand that by censoring people, you're just making the other side seem like they have a point.

00:51:00.000 Yeah.

00:51:00.000 Even if they talk nonsense.

00:51:02.000 Even if it's like QAnon shit. 1.00

00:51:04.000 They're nutty people. 1.00

00:51:05.000 Mm-hmm. 0.96

00:51:06.000 You're still making it seem like they have a point.

00:51:09.000 Did you know that there was a bunch of people that went to Dallas yesterday because they thought that JFK was returning and that he was going to be Trump's VP? JFK Jr. JFK Jr. Yeah.

00:51:19.000 Oh, I thought it was JFK Sr. No.

00:51:21.000 Oh.

00:51:22.000 Remember, they think that's part of the QAnon thing.

00:51:23.000 They think that JFK Jr. is some guy, and they thought he was at the Capitol Hill thing.

00:51:28.000 In that documentary, they show who the guy is. 1.00

00:51:30.000 So, this is how dumb these motherfuckers are. 1.00

00:51:33.000 They went to Dealey Plaza. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Be careful.

00:51:36.000 You're talking about me.

00:51:37.000 No, you're not.

00:51:38.000 You don't believe that.

00:51:39.000 How dare you.

00:51:40.000 They went there and they waited for JFK Jr., I guess, to appear.

00:51:46.000 And they're like, any minute now.

00:51:48.000 He's coming any minute now.

00:51:49.000 So these videos, these dorks, they've been without QAnon for months now, right?

00:51:54.000 It's 10 months since January 6th.

00:51:57.000 They're like, what to do?

00:51:58.000 What to do? 0.96

00:51:59.000 Once they realized that that QAnon stuff wasn't real, they're like, damn, what do I do? 0.99

00:52:03.000 Look at these dorks. 0.98

00:52:04.000 All waiting around. 0.99

00:52:05.000 Dirt!

00:52:06.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:52:07.000 Look, they got lawn chairs and shit. 0.99

00:52:09.000 Isn't this where they'd have the undercover FBI guys, too, though? 0.99

00:52:12.000 Yeah, the FBI guys are like, we need to riot!

00:52:14.000 We need to riot!

00:52:15.000 Oh, they have queues.

00:52:16.000 Queues at Make America Great Again hats on. 0.98

00:52:18.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:52:20.000 Fucking dummies. 1.00

00:52:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:21.000 That's brutal. 1.00

00:52:22.000 Well, this is the problem, though.

00:52:24.000 Oh, I saw a shirt.

00:52:25.000 Trump and JFK Jr. You see that?

00:52:27.000 Oh, let me see that shirt.

00:52:27.000 Right there.

00:52:32.000 God.

00:52:32.000 Oh my God.

00:52:33.000 These guys, they get together and they all share three brain cells.

00:52:36.000 Oh. 0.99

00:52:37.000 This is so silly. 0.98

00:52:39.000 But, so, on the opposite side of this is the liberals. 0.98

00:52:43.000 So they have just extreme liberals.

00:52:45.000 Oh yeah.

00:52:46.000 I think that the squad is about probably the polar opposite of that, isn't it?

00:52:49.000 Yeah, and the people that follow them like religiously and cry when they see them.

00:52:55.000 It's like, there's just... 0.80

00:52:57.000 Groups of people that find a thing, whatever that thing is, whether it's QAnon or whether it's like Marxism, like whatever it is, they find a thing and then they find a bunch of other people that are willing to greet that thing and then they get in an echo chamber and they fucking just yell at everybody else. 0.86

00:53:18.000 Well, that's their...

00:53:19.000 Like I said, you know, training is...

00:53:21.000 Bowhunting is my purpose for training. 0.99

00:53:23.000 That's their purpose.

00:53:24.000 It's like they've attached their...

00:53:27.000 Whatever to.

00:53:28.000 Their identity, essentially.

00:53:30.000 And so that's just what it's all about.

00:53:32.000 They're like mind viruses.

00:53:33.000 Like people catch a mind virus and then they hang on to it.

00:53:36.000 Like QAnon is like a mind virus.

00:53:38.000 It's weird how people could be that gullible, though.

00:53:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:42.000 It is, but then you think about cults.

00:53:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:53:45.000 They get you to chop your balls off. 0.99

00:53:46.000 Yeah, but it's happened forever. 0.99

00:53:48.000 As long as humans have been around, there's been people who...

00:53:52.000 I don't know.

00:53:53.000 It's just, isn't that strange about our specie?

00:53:56.000 It is.

00:53:57.000 But people, like, uncertainty scares a lot of folks.

00:54:01.000 Yeah.

00:54:02.000 And they don't like it.

00:54:03.000 Right.

00:54:03.000 That's why people, like, stay in the same place and they don't take any, they don't do any adventures, they don't try anything dangerous.

00:54:11.000 They just like stay in their lane and they rot away like that because they're just afraid of the risk.

00:54:17.000 And so because uncertainty makes people scared when they can find people that will assure them and reassure them and provide them with a framework and they don't have to do any thinking, they cling on to that.

00:54:32.000 And then they find a bunch of other people who agree with that and then they reinforce each other and then they attack anybody.

00:54:37.000 Who disagrees with that opinion because you're literally attacking their very existence.

00:54:41.000 Yeah, I guess so. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Bunch of bitches. 1.00

00:54:45.000 Weak-ass bitches. 1.00

00:54:46.000 There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there. 1.00

00:54:48.000 And I'm becoming less charitable as I've gotten older. 1.00

00:54:50.000 Yeah.

00:54:51.000 I would have thought as I got older I would be more compassionate to some of these people. 0.99

00:54:57.000 But now I'm just like, where's the fucking wolves? 0.99

00:55:00.000 We need wolves in the streets. 1.00

00:55:02.000 Taking these dummies out.

00:55:03.000 Yeah, I mean, you just talked about how people, they don't like the uncertainty.

00:55:08.000 They like...

00:55:09.000 Even if it's...

00:55:10.000 I mean, I thought something weird for a second though, but even like, you know, they say women who have been abused, they stay in that relationship.

00:55:21.000 Sometimes, yeah.

00:55:22.000 Because maybe that's, because it's a known evil, I guess.

00:55:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:27.000 So then I was thinking, I saw this clip the other day, and it was this guy says, he says, he asked people if they would take $10 million What could you do with $10 million?

00:55:42.000 And people said they could live a good life for a year, 10 years, or however long.

00:55:47.000 And he goes, okay, well, what if I gave you $10 million, but then you wouldn't wake up tomorrow?

00:55:52.000 They said, well, no, I wouldn't do that.

00:55:54.000 He said, so that means your life...

00:56:19.000 It's weird how people...

00:56:24.000 When you put it like that, it's an easy decision to make.

00:56:26.000 But when you just say, well, I'm just gonna wake up and go through the motions, it's like, are you really maximizing the value of your life, the gift of life?

00:56:34.000 Yeah, it's interesting how people, like, develop these patterns.

00:56:41.000 And one of the things that they do is, like, unless something radical happens to you where you feel like it's all gonna be taken away, you just can take it for granted.

00:56:50.000 Like, those near-death experiences are so profound for people.

00:56:53.000 Because so many people have something happen like a cancer scare or maybe a car accident or some kind of a near-death experience where they walk out of it and then they realize like they could have lost everything.

00:57:05.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 And then they changed.

00:57:07.000 Yeah.

00:57:08.000 But you always had that.

00:57:10.000 You always had this life that has endless possibilities.

00:57:14.000 Why does it take a wake-up call?

00:57:16.000 Right.

00:57:17.000 I think there's a problem with most people's existences.

00:57:21.000 This is why I've been trying to get you to quit your job.

00:57:23.000 Most people's existences, you're doing something all day that you don't want to do.

00:57:27.000 And you have all this adventure that you do on top of that.

00:57:31.000 But a lot of people don't.

00:57:33.000 So their existence is this dull drone of doing things they don't want to do all the time.

00:57:41.000 And then when they get home, they just watch TV and eat.

00:57:45.000 And when they see people that are daring, that take risks, they attack them.

00:57:51.000 They hate on them.

00:57:52.000 And that's through the comfort of their own phone and through the keyboards. 1.00

00:57:56.000 They like to shit on people that make them feel uncomfortable. 1.00

00:58:00.000 And they'll talk shit about your ambitions and what the fuck is wrong with him. 1.00

00:58:06.000 Why is he running every day? 0.99

00:58:07.000 Why is he working out so much?

00:58:08.000 The kind of stuff they do for you, I see it.

00:58:10.000 I don't read my comments, but I'll read yours.

00:58:14.000 But that's why they do it.

00:58:15.000 They do it because they feel inadequate because...

00:58:22.000 They're not living a maximized life.

00:58:25.000 But they could.

00:58:26.000 That's the thing, they could.

00:58:27.000 It's not easy.

00:58:29.000 And the longer you get into that life, the harder it is to get it. 0.99

00:58:33.000 If you're 55 years old, and you've been living this dull-ass, boring life your whole life, and you've never taken any chances, and your body looks like shit, and it's fat and doughy, and you're tired all the time, and you decide, I want to be a beast today. 0.99

00:58:46.000 Like, boy, you got a long road, son. 0.99

00:58:48.000 Yeah.

00:58:49.000 You know?

00:58:49.000 People do it.

00:58:50.000 I mean, people...

00:58:51.000 Yeah.

00:58:51.000 I don't know if they turn into beasts, quote-unquote, but they lose 100 pounds.

00:58:56.000 Hey, man, if a guy loses 100 pounds, he's a beast.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 That's a beast.

00:58:59.000 That's true.

00:59:00.000 That's a Herculean effort.

00:59:01.000 Yeah, I mean, and we've talked about this before, but even where I work now, there's people who I worked with, and they'd say, well, you keep that up.

00:59:09.000 You won't be running when you're 40. You won't be doing this.

00:59:12.000 You won't be doing that because you need replacements.

00:59:14.000 You're going to break your body down.

00:59:15.000 You won't be able to walk and all this, but...

00:59:18.000 What happens is, and we talked about this with Goggins the other day, but your body, his was pretty extreme, but your body does adapt to the load you put on it.

00:59:28.000 Yes.

00:59:28.000 And they say, instead of, it's not running breaks your body down, running strengthens your body.

00:59:35.000 And runners actually have stronger joints, stronger knees, stronger hips, because they've been, their body has adapted.

00:59:43.000 Right.

00:59:43.000 Yeah, it's like everything else.

00:59:45.000 Like, TIE fighters.

00:59:47.000 Like, if someone kicks you in the shin, that hurts like hell. 1.00

00:59:49.000 But TIE fighters can kick fucking trees. 1.00

00:59:52.000 Why? 1.00

00:59:52.000 Because their body's adapted. 1.00

00:59:55.000 It just hurts to adapt.

00:59:57.000 And to be able to do things that are difficult, you have to harden your mind, too.

01:00:03.000 That's the most impressive thing about people like you, and Goggins, and these folks that do these endurance events.

01:00:10.000 You've got to harden your mind if you're going to run for three days.

01:00:14.000 Yeah, that's definitely the hardest part.

01:00:17.000 And they say, you know, I mean, where the change happens, it's like being consecutive days of training, that's good, but it's over years.

01:00:29.000 Not very many people do it for years.

01:00:31.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:31.000 Everybody goes, they get all fired up, energized to do something, then that drops off.

01:00:37.000 They might do it for a week, but then that drops off.

01:00:38.000 Like folks who lose weight and then gain it back.

01:00:40.000 Yeah.

01:00:41.000 I mean, but if you can just continue to put in the work, punch that time clock, your life I mean, it can change dramatically.

01:00:48.000 Your body will change.

01:00:50.000 Everything will change.

01:00:51.000 How you look at things changes, but it takes that consistent effort.

01:00:55.000 The consistency is so hard because there's a lot of comfort in those old patterns.

01:01:00.000 And even if the old patterns are just eating cake and watching TV, some people just fall back to them.

01:01:05.000 Or drugs.

01:01:06.000 Like some people, you know, they kick the pills and their life is doing good and then they, you know, get to a point where they made a lot of improvement and they'll slide right back into the pills again.

01:01:18.000 You're like, why?

01:01:19.000 Why you were doing so good?

01:01:21.000 Why are you doing drugs again?

01:01:23.000 I know.

01:01:23.000 It's almost like that pattern is better for their brain because they know what happens when you do that versus the open-ended possibilities of just going for it.

01:01:38.000 Just trying to live a maximized life because if you do and you fail, The pain of that, it's difficult to deal with.

01:01:46.000 But that's how you learn.

01:01:47.000 And that's how you continue to go.

01:01:49.000 That's how you continue to move forward.

01:01:51.000 Some people just that, the unknown is so scary for people.

01:01:56.000 That's why people don't like to try new things.

01:01:58.000 They don't like to take chances.

01:01:59.000 They don't like to learn new stuff.

01:02:01.000 Because it's like, what if I fail? 0.98

01:02:03.000 What if I suck? 0.93

01:02:04.000 I don't like not knowing things. 0.99

01:02:06.000 I'm just going to do what I know.

01:02:08.000 Well, that's, I mean, that's what I've always admired about you is like, you've had so much success, you know, you say from podcasting to comedy, but then you're willing to try something hard like bow hunting and people who bow hunt know how hard it is.

01:02:21.000 And for you to embrace that has just been a lot of people won't do that, you know, because it is so hard.

01:02:29.000 And it's like, you can fail a lot.

01:02:31.000 And it hurts.

01:02:32.000 Yeah, but I like it.

01:02:33.000 I like new things, man. 0.98

01:02:36.000 And bowhunting is fucking hard. 0.93

01:02:38.000 And that's why I like it. 0.98

01:02:40.000 It keeps me normal.

01:02:42.000 I think the more difficult things I do, whether it's my workouts or martial arts or anything that I do...

01:02:49.000 They keep me normal.

01:02:51.000 I don't think people should have an easy life.

01:02:54.000 I don't believe in easy.

01:02:56.000 I don't think it's good for you. 0.94

01:02:57.000 If I just was flying around on private jets and fucking eating catered meals and doing nothing hard, who am I? What are you? 0.98

01:03:06.000 What is the purpose of life?

01:03:08.000 How does your brain work?

01:03:10.000 Where's the challenge?

01:03:13.000 Where's the thing that keeps you alive?

01:03:18.000 Yeah, I mean, it's that hunger.

01:03:22.000 People lose it.

01:03:23.000 We talked about fighters retiring, then they lose that purpose, but maybe it's hunger.

01:03:29.000 So what keeps that? 0.99

01:03:30.000 Because I feel, just for me personally, and I don't know why, I'm thinking about it as we are discussing this, but when I first started hunting, I would have a beat-up Toyota, not even a four-wheel drive, a two-wheel drive piece of shit.

01:03:44.000 And I drive it hunting, but I feel like now I have that same drive to succeed as I did then, but I travel in comfort to get to my house, but I still hunt the same as I did. 0.63

01:03:58.000 So, I'm trying to think...

01:04:01.000 Why?

01:04:02.000 Because your mindset is not—you can look at it one way, like the hungry people are the people that don't have anything, and so they're trying hard to get to that thing.

01:04:17.000 But what you're doing is you're trying hard, as hard as you can, to achieve excellence.

01:04:24.000 Like, your focus is on excellence. 0.97

01:04:26.000 If your focus is always on excellence, it doesn't matter if you get there in a fucking new Raptor or if you get there in a busted-down old pickup truck that barely runs. 0.96

01:04:34.000 Like, your focus is the same. 0.89

01:04:36.000 Like, it's an inconsequential Whether or not you're struggling financially, it doesn't matter because the struggle, the physical struggle, is always difficult.

01:04:47.000 It's always the same.

01:04:48.000 So your goal is so lofty.

01:04:51.000 Like your goal, being your best in the mountains, doing one of the most difficult things I've ever done, bow hunting.

01:05:00.000 Bowhunting in the mountains is one of the most... 0.99

01:05:01.000 I've done a lot of wild shit. 0.98

01:05:03.000 I've fought. 0.99

01:05:04.000 I've done a lot of stand-up comedy.

01:05:06.000 I do live podcasts and live UFC broadcasts.

01:05:09.000 Things that make people nervous. 0.97

01:05:11.000 Bowhunting is one of the hardest fucking things I've ever done. 0.95

01:05:13.000 And one of the best things. 0.97

01:05:14.000 And the thing is, it's available to everybody.

01:05:16.000 It's like, not everybody gets to hunt at the Deseret, but... 0.99

01:05:20.000 You know, people get mad at that, but that's, you know, go make some money, bitch. 1.00

01:05:23.000 But this is... 0.98

01:05:25.000 So why is it so hard? 1.00

01:05:27.000 It's hard because these fucking animals have evolved for millions of years to avoid predators. 0.99

01:05:33.000 You have to play the wind. 1.00

01:05:35.000 You have to be fit enough to get to the top of the mountain.

01:05:38.000 You have to be able to execute a good shot under pressure.

01:05:42.000 And the feeling of making a good shot is beyond description.

01:05:48.000 It's so hard for us to explain to someone what it's like to center that pin on the vitals, watch that arrow, Slam in there and know you did it and watch that animal briefly run off and then tip over and know you gave that thing the quickest death possible and The reason why it has the quickest death possible is because you develop your skills You develop your accuracy and your ability to to execute

01:06:18.000 under pressure and it's fucking hard to do it's really hard to do and And you don't get a chance to do it again. 0.63

01:06:25.000 You get one shot. 0.97

01:06:26.000 There's one shot.

01:06:27.000 The animal's there.

01:06:29.000 You line up the shot.

01:06:30.000 And you think about all those thousands and thousands of arrows you shot over the years.

01:06:36.000 And this is it.

01:06:37.000 This is the moment.

01:06:38.000 You get one of these.

01:06:40.000 And also, well, I don't think about all those.

01:06:43.000 I mean, because it's subconscious.

01:06:46.000 But here's...

01:06:47.000 I mean, you know what my goal is.

01:06:49.000 My goal is to be perfect.

01:06:51.000 But even after 33 years, who knows how many arrows, there's still that crunch time decision making.

01:07:01.000 So I had a bull.

01:07:02.000 The bull in Utah this year came up 10 yards away.

01:07:05.000 He's quartering to me a little bit.

01:07:07.000 I got my 90-pound bow, as we know.

01:07:09.000 And I'm thinking...

01:07:11.000 That distance, still, I did not make the best decision because I thought, you know what?

01:07:17.000 I can just pound right through that shoulder and I'll get his chest. 1.00

01:07:21.000 Didn't happen. 0.98

01:07:22.000 You hit a bone dead on.

01:07:24.000 Hit the shoulder dead on.

01:07:25.000 It broke his shoulder, and that was debilitating to him, but it wasn't through the lungs, which is what you want for a quick death.

01:07:33.000 So even my decision-making in that crunch time moment where you get one chance wasn't perfect.

01:07:40.000 I screwed up.

01:07:41.000 Luckily, he went out. 0.57

01:07:43.000 I got another arrow into him, and I did get him killed, but...

01:07:47.000 Still, even after all this time, all these, you know, have killed a lot of bulls now, man, the decision-making has to be perfect.

01:07:57.000 And it has to be done on the fly.

01:08:01.000 Yeah, right.

01:08:01.000 In this brief moment, this window in time.

01:08:03.000 Bulls come in just screaming.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:06.000 And you've got to figure out what to do.

01:08:08.000 Yeah.

01:08:08.000 And that's what I've always said.

01:08:11.000 You can master archery.

01:08:12.000 I mean, people, they shoot perfect 300s and people who don't know, I've never even done it.

01:08:18.000 I don't even know anything about target, but I know that they shoot um a certain amount of arrows and you can get a 300 score and if you hit right in the x that's the certain amount of x's so i think it's 60 arrows you can get 60 x's if you're perfect but anyway you can master that because people have done that before you can't master bow hunting no you cannot master but i don't care who you are i don't care how long you do it it's you and that animal and it's an imperfect I mean,

01:08:46.000 man's imperfect, hunting's imperfect, and it's just, you'll never master it.

01:08:51.000 That's why it's so important to always be at your best.

01:08:55.000 And that's the challenge of it all.

01:08:57.000 The challenge of it all is that, first of all, the stakes couldn't be higher for the animal.

01:09:03.000 It's life or death.

01:09:04.000 You owe that animal a quick death.

01:09:06.000 And you're also in this situation where there's these wild instincts that live inside all of us, because we all come from hunters. 0.98

01:09:15.000 All of us.

01:09:16.000 And you might not even know that's in there.

01:09:18.000 And the way I'd say it to people, like, most people have caught a fish.

01:09:22.000 I'm like, you know what that feeling's like when you get a fish, like, oh, I got him, I got him, I got him.

01:09:26.000 You feel it's life, like it's tugging on that line.

01:09:29.000 But it's so exciting.

01:09:30.000 The reason why it's so exciting is there's a part of our ancient memory that recognizes that the difference between life and death is whether or not you get that fish and you get that nutrition and you can feed a family.

01:09:42.000 You feed your family.

01:09:43.000 You got this fish, okay, now we're eating, we're alive.

01:09:45.000 I remember, you know, you've caught trout.

01:09:48.000 You remember eating that meat and tons of little bones in it. 0.99

01:09:51.000 You don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:09:51.000 You're pulling out the bones and putting them on the plate, but you're eating that, what you caught. 0.99

01:09:55.000 Yeah.

01:09:56.000 And, you know, as a kid, we'd catch trout in the creek out behind the house.

01:10:02.000 Hardly any meat on those things, like a 10-inch cutthroat.

01:10:05.000 And you're picking through bones and you're eating it, but you're eating what you caught.

01:10:09.000 That was the thing.

01:10:10.000 There's a satisfaction to that.

01:10:12.000 That was my first experience with any kind of wild creature, was catching fish and eating fish.

01:10:21.000 And I did that a lot when I was a kid.

01:10:22.000 I did a lot of fishing.

01:10:23.000 But hunting is that times whatever.

01:10:26.000 It's like way more intense.

01:10:28.000 And I think it's more intense because it's a mammal. 0.96

01:10:32.000 There's something about fish that people don't really give that much of a fuck about fish. 0.69

01:10:36.000 For whatever reason, we don't associate with them.

01:10:40.000 And they're not as valuable to us nutrition-wise.

01:10:44.000 Like, when you see a fish, that is a meal.

01:10:48.000 When I see an elk, I'm like, that's my year's meat.

01:10:51.000 Oh, man.

01:10:52.000 That's my meat for a year.

01:10:54.000 Yeah.

01:10:54.000 I'm trying to think what I, I mean, I think about, I love the meat, but I think about when I was growing up is like seeing a big bull was like seeing a unicorn almost.

01:11:05.000 I mean, it was, you know, we, we deer hunt a lot and that's all I used to hunt is deer.

01:11:10.000 I never even hunted elk with a rifle, but seeing a big bull God.

01:11:17.000 They're magic.

01:11:18.000 So rare.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, they're a majestic creature.

01:11:21.000 And people will, whoa, did you kill them?

01:11:23.000 Listen, the death from a hunter is the best death that animal has ever gotten. 0.72

01:11:30.000 They're not going to get a better death.

01:11:32.000 That death is going to be quicker than any wolf or any mountain lion or any bear is ever going to give them, and they're not going to live forever.

01:11:39.000 Like, the elk that I shot in Utah, his teeth were so worn down.

01:11:44.000 He was like a 13-year-old bull.

01:11:46.000 He had just gum.

01:11:47.000 So he was gumming grass in some spots. 0.99

01:11:50.000 Which means he had a year or two left where he had any fucking teeth at all. 1.00

01:11:55.000 And then he's going to starve to death. 0.99

01:11:58.000 Or he's going to get taken out by a cat or by some other animal.

01:12:02.000 That's what happens to them.

01:12:04.000 Yeah, they just get, they can, you know, consume less, you know, 700, 800 pound bull, that's a lot of grass that's got to eat, right?

01:12:12.000 Yeah.

01:12:12.000 You can imagine how, so you know what you eat and how many calories are in it.

01:12:16.000 If you're just eating salad all the time, how much salad do you need to eat to fuel yourself?

01:12:19.000 You don't even get dressing.

01:12:21.000 Right.

01:12:21.000 So think about a big bull elk, how, they got to eat almost all the time.

01:12:26.000 Well, when, when he's, you know, his teeth are, he can't process that I mean, he can't feed like he would if his teeth were good.

01:12:35.000 It's like he can't get enough.

01:12:37.000 So slowly he's wasting away and getting weaker and weaker over months, over days, over years, whatever amount of time.

01:12:45.000 And then it's like he can't do it anymore.

01:12:47.000 We saw a really old cow elk in California this year.

01:12:52.000 It was sad.

01:12:53.000 She was all skin and bones. 0.95

01:12:55.000 Really?

01:12:56.000 Yeah.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, we couldn't figure out if, like, something had happened to her, if she'd gotten injured, or if she was just so old she couldn't chew her food anymore.

01:13:03.000 But that's what happens.

01:13:04.000 It might be that.

01:13:04.000 That's what happens.

01:13:06.000 They get to a point where they don't get enough.

01:13:07.000 Like you're saying, they have to eat every day, all day.

01:13:11.000 They don't, like, fast.

01:13:12.000 There's no intermittent fasting in the bull world.

01:13:15.000 No.

01:13:15.000 And, you know, I think about...

01:13:17.000 I mean, I have compassion for animals.

01:13:19.000 I mean, I... You know, the killing part is a part that I don't enjoy.

01:13:23.000 But...

01:13:25.000 So you think about that animal, what it's going through.

01:13:28.000 So say a cat's in the area, the herd spooks.

01:13:32.000 That cow, because she's weaker and more frail, the herd takes off.

01:13:37.000 She can't keep up.

01:13:39.000 Imagine those thoughts.

01:13:41.000 It knows what it has to do to escape this predator, and it can't.

01:13:46.000 And it's like...

01:13:48.000 I don't know.

01:13:48.000 There's no easy death in the wild.

01:13:50.000 No, the cycle of life is ruthless.

01:13:52.000 Yeah, it is.

01:13:53.000 So a well-placed arrow, I don't know.

01:13:57.000 As you said, there's no more merciful deaths for them.

01:14:00.000 It's kind of amazing that humans made it as long as we did.

01:14:04.000 We're so weak.

01:14:07.000 Compared to animals, I mean, we're smart enough to figure out weapons, which is really what did it for us.

01:14:12.000 Yeah.

01:14:13.000 I would like to go back in time and see what humans were like before weapons.

01:14:19.000 I would love to see what, like, an Australopithecus looked like.

01:14:23.000 Like, be around them.

01:14:24.000 Because we're really guessing what they look like based on their bones.

01:14:27.000 Right.

01:14:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:14:30.000 I mean... 0.99

01:14:32.000 It had to be more tough than what the fuck we are. 0.99

01:14:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:37.000 Like Bill Gates.

01:14:38.000 Think about Bill Gates' body.

01:14:40.000 Now imagine...

01:14:41.000 I know, but I even think about, you know, they say the U.S. is number one in the world in COVID deaths.

01:14:47.000 And I think about...

01:14:49.000 We're number one.

01:14:50.000 We're number one.

01:14:51.000 Part of that, though, is because we've had it so easy.

01:14:53.000 Well, it's also a part of it is 95% of those people who died had four comorbidities.

01:14:59.000 Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. 0.80

01:15:01.000 It's like you can turn diabetic because of a shitty diet, because of being obese, because of...

01:15:06.000 So it's like that's what I'm saying is society is so easy.

01:15:11.000 A sickness like COVID where you might overcome quickly, and I know there's different variations of everything and everybody's different, but...

01:15:19.000 A lot of people probably died because of how easy life is, right?

01:15:24.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.96

01:15:25.000 Well, you know, Theo Vaughn, who you just met, Theo didn't even fucking know he had COVID. We tested him for antibodies.

01:15:32.000 He's like, oh shit, I got them COVID antibodies. 0.99

01:15:34.000 Yeah, he didn't even know he had it. 1.00

01:15:36.000 Amazing.

01:15:38.000 It's, you know, we are a country that has a, overall, a large percentage of us have a terrible diet. 0.99

01:15:49.000 Sedentary lifestyle, aren't taking vitamins, aren't supplementing their shitty diet with nutrients. 0.98

01:15:56.000 They're not exercising. 0.98

01:15:57.000 They're not pushing their body and making it more resilient and making it tougher.

01:16:01.000 And the small amount of people that are, they're not treated like they're different in terms of what they're expected to do or not do during the pandemic.

01:16:11.000 And that's one of the things that's so weird.

01:16:13.000 It's like when you look at the real numbers of the people that do survive, the people that are sick and the people that aren't.

01:16:18.000 And you take into account the nutrients.

01:16:21.000 They don't care. 0.98

01:16:21.000 They want a one-size-fits-all policy for everything because they want you to feel the same way some fucking 500-pound guy with diabetes and emphysema. 0.98

01:16:31.000 Like, he should be as scared as me? 0.98

01:16:34.000 We should be the same scared?

01:16:36.000 Right.

01:16:36.000 That doesn't seem to make sense.

01:16:38.000 No.

01:16:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:40.000 They want you to do what they do, but they don't want to do what you do.

01:16:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:16:43.000 That's a good point.

01:16:45.000 Yeah.

01:16:45.000 And so it's easier to tell you what to do.

01:16:48.000 There was a fucking ad. 0.99

01:16:49.000 I forget who made the ad. 0.99

01:16:51.000 But the ad literally said how long it takes to lose weight.

01:16:58.000 It was talking about how long it takes to lose weight.

01:17:00.000 That you only lose like a pound a month.

01:17:03.000 And then it said, get the vax.

01:17:06.000 That's what it was saying.

01:17:07.000 It was basically saying, like, forget it.

01:17:10.000 You ain't gonna lose that weight.

01:17:11.000 Don't worry about being healthy.

01:17:13.000 Don't worry about the fact that 78% of the people that get hospitalized for COVID are obese.

01:17:19.000 78%.

01:17:19.000 Don't worry about that.

01:17:20.000 What you need to do is just take the shot.

01:17:24.000 How about both? 0.92

01:17:25.000 Yeah, it's so strange.

01:17:27.000 Yeah, can you be in good shape?

01:17:28.000 What's wrong with that?

01:17:29.000 How about take vitamins?

01:17:30.000 How about talk about vitamin D? Talk about the fact that 84% of the people that were in the ICU at one point in time for COVID had insufficient levels of vitamin D. 84%.

01:17:42.000 You don't hear that, do you?

01:17:43.000 It's a giant factor.

01:17:44.000 Four percent.

01:17:46.000 Four had sufficient levels.

01:17:48.000 Four percent.

01:17:49.000 Most of the country is insufficient in vitamin D. Most of the country.

01:17:53.000 And you can take that supplement.

01:17:54.000 More than 70%.

01:17:55.000 Easy.

01:17:56.000 They're tiny.

01:17:56.000 A child can swallow it.

01:17:58.000 I take them every day.

01:17:59.000 Yeah, I take them every day.

01:18:01.000 Amazing, look how healthy you are.

01:18:03.000 It's a funny thing that, you know, people that are like yourself or like me that work out all the time, I'm not requiring it of anybody.

01:18:13.000 I'm not telling anybody to do it.

01:18:15.000 But you can't pretend that it doesn't help.

01:18:18.000 You can't pretend.

01:18:19.000 You can't pretend it's not better.

01:18:21.000 You can't pretend.

01:18:22.000 It takes a lot of effort.

01:18:24.000 But, you know, effort is something that's free.

01:18:27.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:18:28.000 Y'all got effort.

01:18:29.000 They say that there's the things you can control.

01:18:32.000 It's like being on time, working out, doing all these things. 0.99

01:18:36.000 You don't even need a fucking gym, all right? 0.98

01:18:39.000 If you want to go, oh, I can't afford a gym. 1.00

01:18:42.000 I could fuck you up with a workout with no gym. 0.99

01:18:46.000 I'm carrying my rock up the mountain. 1.00

01:18:47.000 That rock, yeah, that rock that you had.

01:18:49.000 How much did that rock weigh?

01:18:51.000 130. Yeah, so you...

01:18:52.000 Cam had a rock.

01:18:53.000 This is before I met him.

01:18:54.000 It's one of the reasons why I met you.

01:18:56.000 You had a video of you putting a rock in a backpack, and sometimes you just carry it on your shoulder.

01:19:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:01.000 And you took this stupid rock up to the top of the... 1.00

01:19:04.000 When did you give up on that rock? 1.00

01:19:06.000 No, I mean...

01:19:07.000 Is it still there?

01:19:08.000 No.

01:19:09.000 Did someone steal it?

01:19:10.000 I don't know what happened to it.

01:19:11.000 Somebody rolled it off the mountain or something, but then...

01:19:13.000 Maybe someone stole it.

01:19:13.000 Yeah, and then Under Armour sent me another rock, but it's only 70 pounds, so I have it there still.

01:19:18.000 But even carrying that 70-pound rock on your shoulder, that shit is hard, dude. 0.98

01:19:23.000 Bro, I do workouts sometimes with a 25-pound weight vest. 1.00

01:19:26.000 That shit's hard. 0.99

01:19:27.000 Yeah, but I always think that this is all I need, a rock and a mountain. 1.00

01:19:31.000 Yes.

01:19:32.000 So it's like, you don't need a gym membership.

01:19:34.000 No, you don't need much.

01:19:35.000 If you have a tree, you can do chin-ups.

01:19:37.000 There's a lot of folks who do a lot of workouts outdoors.

01:19:42.000 They like to do workouts outdoors.

01:19:44.000 And they do a lot of stuff where they show, like, purposely, like, you don't really need much equipment.

01:19:51.000 You just need something you could grab ahold of. 0.97

01:19:53.000 You find a tree branch that's sufficient, jump up, grab ahold of that bitch, you can get some chin-ups in. 1.00

01:19:58.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:19:58.000 You know, like, you don't need much. 0.99

01:20:00.000 Have you done a burpee?

01:20:01.000 Have you done?

01:20:01.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:20:02.000 Do about a hundred of those.

01:20:03.000 Right, exactly.

01:20:04.000 Miserable. 0.87

01:20:05.000 Or Hindu push-ups, you ever do those? 0.87

01:20:06.000 Yeah, I have.

01:20:07.000 Hindu push-ups and Hindu squats.

01:20:09.000 Yeah.

01:20:09.000 Do a hundred of those.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:20:13.000 But, you know, it's definitely better to have a gym, without a doubt.

01:20:18.000 Not saying, oh, it's the reason why I have a gym, the reason why you have a gym.

01:20:20.000 Yeah.

01:20:21.000 Burt Sorenx is the reason why we have gyms.

01:20:24.000 Thanks, Burt.

01:20:24.000 But they're necessary.

01:20:26.000 I mean, it really can help you, but you can get a great workout without them.

01:20:31.000 But nothing helps me more than getting up before anybody else is up.

01:20:35.000 Not anybody, because people are up all the time.

01:20:37.000 But four in the morning and running.

01:20:39.000 Nothing helps me more than just knowing that I'm making that decision to get my ass out of bed and getting outside.

01:20:45.000 And because once I've done that, it's like...

01:20:49.000 I mean, to me, I always feel like that's the hardest decision to make, getting out of bed and going outside.

01:20:55.000 And so once I do that, I won.

01:20:57.000 Right.

01:20:57.000 You won for the day, and you've got to win again the next day.

01:21:00.000 It's like the rent is always due.

01:21:02.000 You have to always keep going.

01:21:04.000 And that's what people have a hard time with.

01:21:06.000 They have a hard time with consistency.

01:21:08.000 It's, you know, they get enthusiastic, like, this is it. 0.98

01:21:11.000 I'm going to quit cookies and no more cupcakes, and I'm going to get my shit together.

01:21:15.000 And they might do it for a day. 0.89

01:21:16.000 They might do it for a week.

01:21:18.000 Can you do it for a year?

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 You know, can you do it for two years?

01:21:21.000 Can you keep going?

01:21:22.000 Yeah.

01:21:22.000 A lot of people can't.

01:21:23.000 No.

01:21:24.000 But they can.

01:21:25.000 It's all mental.

01:21:27.000 It literally is all mental.

01:21:29.000 You can force yourself to do anything.

01:21:32.000 And that's one of the reasons why I like to do new things.

01:21:37.000 And...

01:21:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:21:56.000 So good, it doesn't feel like he has to train anymore.

01:21:58.000 Yeah, he could party.

01:21:59.000 And then Buster Douglas comes along and wrecks the party.

01:22:02.000 And that's the wake-up call.

01:22:05.000 The wake-up call is, if you really want to be the best of the best, you have to treat every day like it's a whole new project.

01:22:13.000 And there's no shortcuts, there's no slacking off, and your commitment must be 100%.

01:22:18.000 And you know what's...

01:22:19.000 So here's the struggle that I even face.

01:22:23.000 Because there's so many people who will say, You should take a day off.

01:22:29.000 You should get some rest.

01:22:31.000 Sleep is important.

01:22:32.000 There's always this like to do less.

01:22:34.000 And so then I don't know, is it them?

01:22:37.000 Wanting me to do less so they feel better?

01:22:39.000 Or do they really care about me?

01:22:41.000 Because that's why I love people like Goggins.

01:22:45.000 So I focus on people like that.

01:22:48.000 Not the people who are telling me, hey, you're wearing your body down or you're doing this or that.

01:22:53.000 Because there's always those people and I never know what the objective is.

01:22:57.000 I think they think they're right.

01:22:59.000 And I think a lot of them, they're trying to give you good advice.

01:23:02.000 They're worried you're going to have a heart attack and die.

01:23:06.000 Why are they worried about me?

01:23:07.000 Well, because they see a guy like you that you're putting out so much more effort than them, they don't think it's possible to sustain it.

01:23:16.000 Yeah, maybe so. 0.99

01:23:17.000 But if you look at the Donaher death squad, like the elite jiu-jitsu squad in the world, Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, all those guys, those motherfuckers take zero days off. 0.99

01:23:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:23:28.000 365 days a year.

01:23:29.000 And if you want to be on that squad, you want to be competing in the world stage and representing John Donaher, there's no vacations.

01:23:36.000 Yeah.

01:23:37.000 There's no days off.

01:23:38.000 I mean, Christmas?

01:23:39.000 Yeah, no Christmas.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:40.000 And it's like, if they did go hard, the next day, it's not an off day, they'd just go a little lighter the next day.

01:23:47.000 They just do technique.

01:23:48.000 Yeah.

01:23:48.000 But they're training still.

01:23:49.000 Yeah.

01:23:49.000 They're still getting better.

01:23:50.000 So to me, you flip that switch, and it's like, I don't know.

01:23:57.000 Mentally, you're like, no, I'm still doing it.

01:24:00.000 Still grinding.

01:24:00.000 I do something every day.

01:24:03.000 And some days, it's just sauna and stretching and ice baths.

01:24:07.000 But I'm stretching.

01:24:09.000 I'm doing something.

01:24:09.000 So if I'm really wrecked, I can still sit in the sauna for 20 minutes.

01:24:13.000 I can still stretch.

01:24:15.000 So I'm improving my flexibility.

01:24:16.000 I'm improving my recovery.

01:24:18.000 And I'm putting in the effort.

01:24:19.000 It's not easy to do that sauna.

01:24:21.000 It's not fun to do the ice bath.

01:24:23.000 When I do it, I got your ice bath.

01:24:26.000 God, it's so terrible.

01:24:29.000 But I've never felt better.

01:24:31.000 It's great.

01:24:32.000 Physically, I've never felt better.

01:24:34.000 Wait till you get a sauna as well. 1.00

01:24:35.000 That's the fucking, that's the combo, baby. 1.00

01:24:38.000 Right now, I do the hot tub, ice bath. 1.00

01:24:40.000 That's good.

01:24:41.000 That's real good, too.

01:24:42.000 That's real good, too.

01:24:43.000 Dude, I tell you what, when I first, the first time in it, This is what's amazing.

01:24:48.000 It's like first time in it, I made it maybe 30 seconds.

01:24:52.000 I mean, it was...

01:24:54.000 Me too.

01:24:55.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:24:55.000 I think I did a minute and a half the first time and I was fucking duh. 0.98

01:24:59.000 No, my wife was like, go down, I think it's something like, go down to your neck or over your shoulders. 0.97

01:25:06.000 And then I was like, then...

01:25:08.000 I switched it around and I said, no, I'm getting out now because I was mad at her. 0.87

01:25:12.000 She's telling me to go lower.

01:25:13.000 So I'm like being a big baby and got out.

01:25:16.000 I said, there, you happy now?

01:25:17.000 Now I'm not doing anything.

01:25:20.000 But 30 seconds and it was just up to about, I don't know, waste.

01:25:25.000 It's so miserable.

01:25:26.000 Now I can stay in.

01:25:28.000 It's not fun, but I do five minutes a day.

01:25:30.000 Yeah, isn't it wild?

01:25:32.000 You just get accustomed to it.

01:25:33.000 Yeah.

01:25:35.000 But it's never quite like, you know, you go sit in the hot tub and you're like, oh, I'm going to go sit in the hot tub.

01:25:40.000 That's fun.

01:25:41.000 It's fun all the time.

01:25:42.000 It's nice.

01:25:42.000 Every second is fun.

01:25:44.000 Or like relaxing.

01:25:45.000 Not fun, but relaxing.

01:25:46.000 And then the ice bath, none of it's relaxing.

01:25:50.000 It's just miserable.

01:25:51.000 But my God, my body is...

01:25:54.000 Yeah.

01:25:55.000 Yeah.

01:26:16.000 When you subject your body to that insane temperature, your body thinks it's going to die.

01:26:22.000 And your body produces these cold shock proteins.

01:26:25.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick has talked about it pretty extensively, that and heat shock proteins.

01:26:29.000 It also produces norepinephrine, and that makes you feel good.

01:26:35.000 It's literally like a potent antidepressant.

01:26:39.000 Wim Hof talks about that.

01:26:41.000 He talks about how ice baths are a cure for depression. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Because you feel like shit, but you get in that ice bath. 0.99

01:26:47.000 When you get out of there, you feel fucking great. 1.00

01:26:49.000 When you get out, you feel great. 0.97

01:26:50.000 Not when you're in there.

01:26:51.000 Not when you're in there.

01:26:53.000 I must be doing something wrong.

01:26:55.000 I took Rhonda, the first time she experienced that, I took her to Cryo Healthcare in Woodland Hills, back where my old studio was.

01:27:02.000 And she would get into that cryotherapy thing with me.

01:27:06.000 And then when she got out, I filmed her coming out for the first time.

01:27:11.000 You remember those things? 0.99

01:27:12.000 You open the door and all the fucking smoke comes out. 0.99

01:27:15.000 Oh, it's like minus 200 or something. 1.00

01:27:17.000 250. Minus 250. And so she got out and she's like, oh, that was amazing.

01:27:22.000 And she starts rattling off all the things that's happening to your body.

01:27:26.000 Really?

01:27:26.000 Like, why?

01:27:26.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 And she was so excited because she's so smart and she understands all the mechanisms of what's going on, why your body's reacting the way it is.

01:27:36.000 It was really interesting to see.

01:27:38.000 She was talking about the norepinephrine.

01:27:40.000 It gives you the...

01:27:41.000 And she's like, wow, I feel amazing!

01:27:43.000 And, you know, like, for her, being a scientist, and to experience that rush.

01:27:50.000 Yeah, yeah, she was like, oh!

01:27:52.000 You know, it's like, she had always been a fan of the sauna, and she had done that a lot, but, like, the ice, the cryotherapy had been a new thing.

01:28:00.000 But I think cryotherapy is...

01:28:04.000 It's brutal and it's great, but it's more tolerable for some reason than the ice bath.

01:28:08.000 Oh yeah, I did that before and that wasn't bad at all.

01:28:11.000 Well, it gets rough.

01:28:12.000 The most I've ever done is I did 3 minutes and 40 seconds.

01:28:16.000 And when you get every minute...

01:28:19.000 Once you hit two minutes, every minute more gets rougher.

01:28:23.000 Three minutes is rougher, and then three minutes...

01:28:26.000 The guy who used to run was like, let me see how long you can take it.

01:28:29.000 And I probably would have stayed in longer, but my legs were shaking so bad I started getting nervous.

01:28:34.000 It's still not as good as the ice bath, though, is it?

01:28:35.000 No.

01:28:36.000 No.

01:28:37.000 It's a different feeling.

01:28:38.000 The ice bath, you have a really hard time breathing.

01:28:43.000 I didn't know how expensive those were.

01:28:45.000 It's not cheap.

01:28:47.000 I think like 17,000 bucks.

01:28:49.000 It's a little bit more than that.

01:28:51.000 Is it?

01:28:51.000 There's 20. Oh my god.

01:28:53.000 But that's the one you have.

01:28:54.000 You don't have to do it that way.

01:28:55.000 You can just get bags of ice, which are fairly cheap, and a tub.

01:28:59.000 You can do it on the cheap.

01:29:02.000 But you're right.

01:29:02.000 It's a breathing.

01:29:05.000 So I think I do...

01:29:07.000 And they say even just breathing deep is good for you.

01:29:10.000 Like outside of.

01:29:11.000 And I never do that.

01:29:12.000 But you have to do it in that ice bath.

01:29:15.000 But I'm like in through my nose and out.

01:29:18.000 I can do like six breaths a minute or something like that.

01:29:21.000 And so I know I count to 20. And then I'll look at the clock and I'm like, God, thank God I'm over two and a half minutes or something like that.

01:29:28.000 But yeah, it's, I mean.

01:29:30.000 I always wear a dive watch, right?

01:29:32.000 So I always go in and I set the thing.

01:29:35.000 And then I just, I'll do, you know, whatever I decide to do.

01:29:40.000 More than five minutes isn't good for you, is what it says.

01:29:43.000 That's what they say.

01:29:44.000 But you did like 20, right?

01:29:46.000 I did 20. I think it was a little more than 20. I did 20 one day, yeah, and it was not good.

01:29:53.000 I don't know how hard it was.

01:29:54.000 When I saw that video of you doing that, I'm like, oh, whatever.

01:29:57.000 Then I got one, I'm like, oh my god, how?

01:30:00.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:30:00.000 Yeah, I'm never doing that again, because I was pretty fucked up for a couple days afterwards. 0.93

01:30:05.000 Yeah, I was a little off. 0.94

01:30:07.000 And my wife was scared that I was gonna die.

01:30:09.000 Really?

01:30:10.000 Yeah, she said that she was like hovering over me while I was sleeping, like checking to making sure that I was alive.

01:30:17.000 She said she was really worried that I was gonna die.

01:30:18.000 I'm like, if I was gonna die, I would've died right afterwards.

01:30:20.000 I would've died at night.

01:30:22.000 Then I'm nice and warm.

01:30:23.000 Like I didn't have hypothermia, but you could get hypothermia because they say 34 degrees for 15 minutes induces hypothermia, but I didn't get hypothermia.

01:30:33.000 No.

01:30:33.000 And I was at 34 degrees for 20 whatever minutes.

01:30:37.000 At five minutes, my legs are like kind of shaky a little bit.

01:30:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:41.000 It's cold as shit. 0.99

01:30:42.000 But I was doing breathing exercises while I was doing it. 0.99

01:30:45.000 That's part of what it is.

01:30:46.000 I read a book called Breathe by James Nestor, and he's been a guest on the podcast before, and it's all about breathing exercises and deep breathing exercises and what it could do for you.

01:30:56.000 But one of the things that it definitely does is it heats your core up, right?

01:31:00.000 So if you watch the video of me doing it, I'm going like this.

01:31:06.000 I'm holding it, and I'm going...

01:31:09.000 So while I'm doing that, I'm breathing out, I'm tightening up my abs and my core, and I'm squeezing with my chest and my shoulders.

01:31:17.000 I'm breathing in.

01:31:19.000 It's like a workout.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:20.000 So I was keeping my body somewhat warm through these breathing exercises.

01:31:25.000 That's why I was able to sustain 20 minutes in there.

01:31:29.000 But I only did it once.

01:31:31.000 But when I did it afterwards, I tried to do it the next day.

01:31:35.000 I did three minutes the next day.

01:31:37.000 And when I hit three minutes, my vision was shaky.

01:31:40.000 Really?

01:31:41.000 Yeah, I was looking at the...

01:31:43.000 I had a phone set up so I could see the timer, and my vision was shaky.

01:31:48.000 And I was like, I better get out of this. 0.99

01:31:50.000 Because if I black out in this fucking thing and die, no one's ever going to let me live that down. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Obviously, because I'll be dead. 0.99

01:31:57.000 But that was also before I had my sauna set up, which made it way easier.

01:32:01.000 Because once I... The sauna setup, I can get in that bitch for, you know, whatever minutes, and I know that sauna's right there waiting for me. 1.00

01:32:08.000 I jump out and hop in. 0.61

01:32:10.000 But one of the things that's really weird is I do a couple minutes in the ice bath, and then I get into the sauna, and the juxtaposition of sauna to ice bath, like the change in temperature is so extreme, because I'm going for 33,

01:32:26.000 34 degrees to 185 degrees.

01:32:29.000 Yeah.

01:32:30.000 And when your body like heats up that quickly, I close my eyes and it's like I'm tripping.

01:32:37.000 It's like I'm on a drug.

01:32:39.000 It is wild.

01:32:40.000 The head rush is so crazy that sometimes it's overwhelming.

01:32:45.000 And what's weird is when you open your eyes, it kind of goes away.

01:32:48.000 Like I don't understand it.

01:32:50.000 Because I'm lying.

01:32:51.000 If I open my eyes, I'm fine.

01:32:53.000 But when I close my eyes, it's like...

01:32:55.000 It's almost overwhelming.

01:32:58.000 Like I'm dizzy.

01:32:59.000 Like I'm drunk.

01:33:00.000 Like I'm having bed spins almost with my eyes closed.

01:33:03.000 But you feel good after all of a sudden...

01:33:05.000 Oh my God, you feel amazing.

01:33:06.000 Everything feels incredible.

01:33:08.000 I wish everybody could...

01:33:09.000 Yeah, I mean, it's...

01:33:11.000 My whole family does it now.

01:33:12.000 Even my kids do it, yeah.

01:33:13.000 The ice bath?

01:33:14.000 Yeah, you know what I told Tony Hinchcliffe?

01:33:16.000 I give him $1,000 for every minute he stays in the ice bath.

01:33:19.000 Did he do it?

01:33:20.000 He hasn't done it yet.

01:33:21.000 Oh.

01:33:23.000 He's like, it's easier for you.

01:33:24.000 I don't have any fat.

01:33:26.000 I'm like, bro, I don't have any...

01:33:27.000 I'm not fat.

01:33:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:33:30.000 The fuck are you saying, bro? 1.00

01:33:31.000 I'm not fat. 1.00

01:33:32.000 He's like, I have no...

01:33:33.000 I'm nothing.

01:33:34.000 I'm skin and bones.

01:33:35.000 Yeah.

01:33:36.000 But I think he could do it.

01:33:38.000 My little daughter did. 0.99

01:33:39.000 She did a fucking minute. 1.00

01:33:40.000 Really? 0.99

01:33:41.000 Yeah.

01:33:41.000 She's 11. She called?

01:33:42.000 Freezing!

01:33:44.000 Freezing!

01:33:45.000 But it's fun.

01:33:46.000 They get a kick out of it.

01:33:47.000 They think it's fun.

01:33:48.000 Yeah.

01:33:48.000 But it's building resilience.

01:33:50.000 Getting your kids to do stuff.

01:33:52.000 My kids, luckily, are really into sports.

01:33:54.000 And I think sports and athletics and...

01:33:57.000 Difficult things where you have to push yourself.

01:33:59.000 And then also failing.

01:34:01.000 Like missing the shot when you wanted to do it. 0.95

01:34:03.000 Like missing, fucking up things. 0.98

01:34:06.000 And then learning that you can get better. 0.96

01:34:08.000 You work harder.

01:34:08.000 Like that's so important for kids.

01:34:11.000 And things like ice bath, even though it seems so easy.

01:34:13.000 Like it's only a minute.

01:34:14.000 How hard is a minute?

01:34:15.000 But it teaches them resilience.

01:34:18.000 Like you can endure things and when it's over, you know, I did it.

01:34:22.000 I didn't want to.

01:34:23.000 You're getting that thing for, you saw, you're 30 seconds. 0.99

01:34:25.000 You're like, get the fuck out of here. 0.90

01:34:26.000 Yeah, so speaking of that, I wonder, do people go through, just avoid failing? 0.58

01:34:35.000 Oh, yeah.

01:34:37.000 Altogether?

01:34:37.000 Yeah, it's terrifying for people.

01:34:39.000 Just so they don't have to deal with...

01:34:40.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:41.000 That's weird.

01:34:42.000 Because, I mean, like, anytime I lift, like, it's to fail.

01:34:46.000 Right.

01:34:46.000 To failure.

01:34:47.000 I mean, or, you know, those...

01:34:50.000 That's a different kind of failure because it's still a success.

01:34:52.000 Because you get the reps in before failure.

01:34:55.000 Yeah.

01:34:55.000 I guess I'm trying to think of...

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 I mean, it's not like I enjoy failure, but it's always...

01:35:03.000 Failure is losing.

01:35:03.000 It's getting smacked.

01:35:05.000 Yeah, but there's always that...

01:35:07.000 Like bow hunting, there's a threat of failure on every hunt.

01:35:10.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:35:11.000 So...

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:12.000 Well, the worst would be a wounded animal, right?

01:35:14.000 That gets away and you know that that animal is wounded and may live or may suffer for a few days and then die. 0.99

01:35:22.000 The feeling of failure is so important because it sucks.

01:35:26.000 And so it makes you like no one is perfect at the thing that they like to do right away.

01:35:33.000 So you have to figure out how to get better at it.

01:35:36.000 And one of the best ways is through negative feedback.

01:35:39.000 When you have negative feedback, you're like, wow, I don't want to do that again.

01:35:42.000 And then you go back and you work harder, or you figure out what you did wrong, and it's a motivating factor that can't be denied.

01:35:50.000 It's like, people don't like the expression fat shaming.

01:35:53.000 But let me tell you something.

01:35:54.000 If someone calls you fat, Yeah.

01:35:56.000 And they're right.

01:35:57.000 Never forget it. 0.99

01:35:57.000 You feel like shit, and then it may motivate you to work hard. 0.99

01:36:01.000 Or you may just sulk and eat cake and blame the world. 1.00

01:36:05.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 It's up to you.

01:36:07.000 But the feeling of a negative feedback, especially if it's something that you can control.

01:36:12.000 Mm-hmm.

01:36:14.000 And he can't walk and you make fun of him. 1.00

01:36:16.000 Well, you're a fucking asshole. 1.00

01:36:17.000 Right, yeah. 1.00

01:36:17.000 There's nothing a guy can do about that. 1.00

01:36:18.000 Right. 0.95

01:36:19.000 But if you see, like, if someone's doing something, if you see someone trying to do a sport and they suck at it, and then they lose, but then you see them, like, a couple of years later and they're a bad motherfucker at it, you're like, oh, that person felt the sting of loss, 0.96

01:36:38.000 but they kept pushing. 0.78

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:40.000 They kept handling it.

01:36:42.000 Oh, I like it.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:36:45.000 I mean, you know, I even think about with Courtney DeWalter, her first 100, she had to quit.

01:36:52.000 She failed.

01:36:53.000 Yeah, she quit at mile 60, I think. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Oh, my God.

01:36:56.000 And then came now, of course, she's, you know, one of the best to ever do it.

01:37:00.000 But that failure, you make a decision right there.

01:37:04.000 It's like, I never want to do this again, so I'm never going to do it again.

01:37:08.000 Or I'm going to train so hard that it's never going to happen again.

01:37:10.000 Never going to fail again.

01:37:11.000 Never going to fail without...

01:37:13.000 I mean, you...

01:37:14.000 When you do hard things, there's always that risk of failure.

01:37:17.000 I mean, but it's, I don't know.

01:37:21.000 Well, you know, the risk of failure used to be connected to survival, like doing things and accomplishing them.

01:37:28.000 That's why your genes carried on, as opposed to the people that just waited to die and then didn't do anything.

01:37:35.000 And that's one of the reasons why women are very attracted to people that are great at things, because they know It's difficult to get great at things.

01:37:43.000 They're attracted to it.

01:37:44.000 It's a genetic thing.

01:37:45.000 They're attracted to it because they want to spread the genes.

01:37:48.000 They want their genes to be connected to this person who is like this powerful individual.

01:37:55.000 And I think there's something in genes that passes on into children.

01:37:59.000 I don't think it's as simple as nurture.

01:38:04.000 I think nature has some weird factor in it, in genes, because my kids have never had it hard.

01:38:12.000 They haven't had it. 1.00

01:38:13.000 But my fucking middle daughter is a goddamn psycho. 1.00

01:38:16.000 She's a psycho. 1.00

01:38:17.000 She's so driven. 1.00

01:38:19.000 And she's not driven because she doesn't get love. 1.00

01:38:22.000 She gets a ton of love. 0.98

01:38:23.000 She's super confident and relaxed and silly.

01:38:25.000 But when I see her focus on things, She has this crazy focus, this intensity of trying to get better at things. 0.94

01:38:35.000 She does backflips in the house.

01:38:37.000 We've got to stop her.

01:38:37.000 Like, hey, stop.

01:38:38.000 It's time to eat dinner.

01:38:39.000 She's like, one more, one more.

01:38:41.000 She won't stop.

01:38:42.000 That is me.

01:38:44.000 But mine was from not getting any attention as a kid.

01:38:49.000 Yeah, but genetically, somehow.

01:38:51.000 It got in there.

01:38:52.000 But it got into her in a loving household, where she's constantly loved and she gets plenty of attention.

01:39:00.000 She doesn't have any feelings of not having value.

01:39:04.000 So hers is not like, I'm going to show everybody.

01:39:07.000 It's not like that.

01:39:08.000 Hers is like, I need to get better at this.

01:39:10.000 So it transferred some...

01:39:13.000 I'm assuming that I wouldn't have had the kind of crazy drive I had if I had a great childhood.

01:39:18.000 I'm assuming that.

01:39:19.000 I might be wrong.

01:39:20.000 Maybe it is somehow or another in the DNA from other things.

01:39:25.000 But I got to think of my own motivations when I was younger.

01:39:29.000 I always wanted to be someone special because I didn't feel special.

01:39:34.000 So I realized when I started fighting that I was good at this.

01:39:39.000 I was like, oh my god, I'm not a loser.

01:39:41.000 Here's the thing that makes me feel like a winner.

01:39:43.000 I had a 180-degree shift of how I felt about myself. 1.00

01:39:47.000 From like, oh, I'm a fucking loser, I'm a pussy, I'm scared of everybody, to oh, I'm winning tournaments. 1.00

01:39:54.000 I'm actually good at this. 1.00

01:39:55.000 And your parents had nothing to do with that.

01:39:57.000 Zero! 0.90

01:39:58.000 They never saw me fight once.

01:40:00.000 It's crazy.

01:40:01.000 Yeah, I think...

01:40:04.000 Huh.

01:40:04.000 That's interesting.

01:40:05.000 I mean, that's how it was for me with bowhunting.

01:40:07.000 Well, first with sports, you know, I played football and things like that, but then after that, then it was nothing, and then bowhunting.

01:40:13.000 When kids find a thing that they excel at and then they get some praise and they get positive feedback from excelling at that thing, that is so magical for them.

01:40:25.000 I feel so terrible for children that never get good at a thing, never feel that, the struggle and then reward upon success.

01:40:34.000 But also there's a fine line there because now we celebrate mediocrity.

01:40:40.000 Right.

01:40:56.000 I think some of them don't.

01:40:57.000 That's why they're so angry.

01:40:58.000 And that's why also they lash out at successful people.

01:41:01.000 There's a lot of that where they don't think that that's important or they don't have that attribute.

01:41:08.000 They don't have even the possibility of it.

01:41:10.000 So they get angry at it.

01:41:13.000 This is a very confusing time for a lot of people.

01:41:16.000 And the reality of the lessons of life are that they're hard won.

01:41:22.000 They're hard won and they're difficult.

01:41:24.000 Like if someone wants to be you, if someone could like... 0.96

01:41:29.000 Get into your body and have, like, you wake up, okay, you have the mind that you had when you're fucking Harry McGillicuddy, whatever the fuck your name is, but you get to live as Cam Haynes for a day, and you have a schedule in front of you. 0.97

01:41:43.000 This is what you gotta do. 0.99

01:41:45.000 You gotta get up, like, today you gotta run 16 miles in the morning, and then you're gonna run 10 during lunch, and then you're gonna shoot your bow, and then you're gonna lift.

01:41:54.000 Yeah, they wouldn't like that.

01:41:55.000 Every day.

01:41:56.000 This is every day.

01:41:57.000 And oh, you're working all day.

01:41:58.000 You don't even get to sleep.

01:41:59.000 You have to work eight hours a day.

01:42:01.000 What? 1.00

01:42:02.000 They would do one day and they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:42:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:06.000 He's sleeping four hours a night? 1.00

01:42:08.000 What the fuck is this? 0.99

01:42:09.000 Then you gotta do it the next day too. 1.00

01:42:10.000 Yeah, this is nonsense.

01:42:11.000 For years.

01:42:13.000 Decades.

01:42:14.000 Good luck, bitch. 1.00

01:42:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:16.000 But there's one of you, right? 1.00

01:42:19.000 Like there's one...

01:42:21.000 Bowhunter, who has a million followers on Instagram, it's you.

01:42:25.000 And how did you get that way?

01:42:26.000 You got that way because what you're doing is truly exceptional.

01:42:29.000 It's undeniable.

01:42:30.000 It's undeniably unique.

01:42:32.000 That's not in most people's gas tank.

01:42:37.000 Most people don't have the ability to push themselves to truly have a maximized life.

01:42:43.000 And They're there for us, too.

01:42:47.000 The people who fail, they're there for us.

01:42:51.000 The haters, the crabs in the bucket that are pulling people down, they're there for us.

01:42:56.000 They're all lessons for us.

01:42:57.000 The people who come up short, they're lessons for us. 0.90

01:43:00.000 The people who make excuses and who hate on other people and talk shit about people behind their back and then aren't to their face, they're there for us. 0.84

01:43:08.000 They're lessons. 0.89

01:43:09.000 That feeling that you get when you're around someone who comes up Who puts in less effort than they should, who makes excuses, and you feel that...

01:43:21.000 When you feel someone, maybe they lie about something, about the way it went, like...

01:43:26.000 Not a good feeling.

01:43:29.000 But then the feeling when you see someone who's done something truly remarkable and unique, like, wow, that's a good feeling.

01:43:36.000 That's a lesson.

01:43:37.000 There's lessons in this.

01:43:39.000 Some people don't want that lesson because with that lesson... 0.99

01:43:42.000 There's a fucking course you have to take. 0.98

01:43:45.000 Here's how you get to where this person got. 0.99

01:43:47.000 You see that person that you admire?

01:43:49.000 See these amazing accomplishments?

01:43:51.000 Okay, here's your assignment.

01:43:52.000 This is what they did.

01:43:53.000 The biggest thing for me is now I can recognize a difference.

01:43:57.000 Before, I was like the people you're talking about, the crabs in the bucket.

01:44:01.000 I was one of the crabs, right?

01:44:02.000 Most people are. 1.00

01:44:03.000 So yeah, I was talking shit. 0.99

01:44:04.000 I was minimizing what other people did and saying, well, I could do that too if I had this or that. 0.99

01:44:09.000 But So when you can switch and now you realize you can see it all, that's the biggest thing.

01:44:16.000 Yeah.

01:44:16.000 Because like, oh my God.

01:44:18.000 I was that, but I can be this.

01:44:20.000 Once you get to be this, then you can see it.

01:44:23.000 Yeah.

01:44:24.000 And now, I'm just attracted to like the Goggins and like that, you know, people who are successful, who are paving a way and are making an actual difference and never pulling people down.

01:44:39.000 I'm like, no, that's okay.

01:44:41.000 That's what I want to be.

01:44:42.000 And it's just, but I never, I couldn't see it.

01:44:46.000 It's weird.

01:44:47.000 I don't think anybody sees it until you've reached a level of success where you're comfortable in your own skin.

01:44:53.000 And then even for brief moments.

01:44:56.000 I'm my own worst critic.

01:44:58.000 Even though I've had a lot of success in life, I don't rest on it at all.

01:45:03.000 I can't.

01:45:04.000 I've got to keep going.

01:45:05.000 I know what it's like to fail. 0.98

01:45:07.000 I fucking hate that feeling. 0.96

01:45:08.000 So I'm always trying to improve. 0.98

01:45:10.000 And that's one of the beautiful things to me about learning a new thing, like learning bowhunting.

01:45:15.000 Is that I've had this unique opportunity to start at something from scratch, which I think is very valuable.

01:45:21.000 Most people don't do that.

01:45:23.000 They don't start at something from scratch because they don't have the time or they don't have the opportunity.

01:45:27.000 Especially a really difficult thing, like learning a martial art.

01:45:31.000 I admire people that are like 40 years old or a white belt.

01:45:34.000 Like, wow, look at you.

01:45:35.000 You're in there going after it.

01:45:36.000 Good luck!

01:45:37.000 All right.

01:45:38.000 And I, same thing.

01:45:39.000 I see people who, they call it, what, adult onset hunting?

01:45:43.000 Like, trying to learn hunting at, you know, in your 40s, like what you did.

01:45:48.000 It's like, oh my God.

01:45:49.000 It's so hard.

01:45:50.000 It's hard.

01:45:51.000 But it's also so valuable, dude.

01:45:54.000 I mean, the feeling that you get, the nutrition that you get, you know, I mean, I have... 0.93

01:45:58.000 I got a fucking freezer full of amazing meat. 1.00

01:46:01.000 And I cook that shit almost every day. 1.00

01:46:04.000 Almost every day I'm cooking something. 1.00

01:46:06.000 And I eat it all the time.

01:46:08.000 I make a pile of it and then I eat it all throughout the day.

01:46:13.000 I eat it in the morning when I get up.

01:46:15.000 I just put hot sauce on a plate and dip cold elk in there.

01:46:19.000 That's like most of my meals are meat.

01:46:21.000 That's all mine.

01:46:22.000 I eat like 80% meat.

01:46:25.000 Yeah, I mean, I see people and they talk about how, you know, I kill more than I could eat.

01:46:31.000 And man, I don't know.

01:46:33.000 I know you eat a lot of it and you also give away a lot of it.

01:46:35.000 Well, I mean, my boys eat.

01:46:39.000 Tanner takes deer meat, elk meat up to his base up at Fort Lewis.

01:46:46.000 And I mean, we eat meat.

01:46:49.000 I mean, my family goes through some meat.

01:46:51.000 And then I like giving it away, and then we have people come over, and I give some to the guy down the street.

01:46:57.000 He was a Navy SEAL and lost an eye in his hand, and he makes up meatloaf out of my whitetail from Texas.

01:47:09.000 It's such a community staple.

01:47:11.000 As I've always said, and I think I've said it on here, is I see as hunters as providers.

01:47:16.000 That's what we're supposed to do. 0.90

01:47:18.000 So yeah, I'm going to kill, and I'm going to help the community. 0.99

01:47:21.000 I love giving meat to my friends. 0.99

01:47:23.000 I love it.

01:47:24.000 I love when they send me pictures.

01:47:26.000 My friends that don't hunt at all, my friend Tom Papa, he's always sending me pictures.

01:47:30.000 We trade.

01:47:31.000 He gives me baked bread.

01:47:32.000 He makes fresh baked bread, and I give him elk meat.

01:47:35.000 When I moved here, I gave him one of my commercial freezers, because I had him in my studio, so I gave him one of my freezers, gave him a bunch of elk in it.

01:47:43.000 Yeah, I mean, it is empowering.

01:47:46.000 But then also, just speaking of bowhunting in general, I mean, when I first started, I think I was more confident than I should have been.

01:47:53.000 I think as a young man, I mean, I remember I would, like, almost intentionally want to take harder shots than I needed to.

01:48:00.000 Because, like, I would see an animal, this is what I would do.

01:48:04.000 Now I'd look about how irresponsible it was.

01:48:07.000 And like I'd have a lane through a tree.

01:48:10.000 Instead of taking a step over to the right and be like, well, this is a better shot.

01:48:14.000 I'd be like, no, I can.

01:48:16.000 No problem.

01:48:17.000 I can shoot through that gap all the time.

01:48:19.000 And I would do it.

01:48:20.000 But it's like, why?

01:48:21.000 Why was I making it harder?

01:48:22.000 Just because that was just...

01:48:25.000 Just being a young man and just being irresponsible.

01:48:28.000 Stubborn.

01:48:29.000 Stubborn.

01:48:30.000 Now I'm like so paranoid that, you know, I've had success, but you have to earn it every single time.

01:48:39.000 And if I kill one bull, say in Oregon, my first bull of the year, I'm like, well, now I'm like, at least I won't get shut out.

01:48:47.000 So instead of, I don't have the confidence now.

01:48:50.000 I put in the work.

01:48:52.000 I hope it's enough, but there's no guarantees in bow hunting.

01:48:54.000 I know how hard it is.

01:48:56.000 So before I was overconfident, now I'm like, I gotta earn it every time.

01:49:00.000 That's an accurate assessment.

01:49:02.000 You have a better map of the landscape.

01:49:04.000 That's what that is.

01:49:05.000 When you're young...

01:49:06.000 More data. 1.00

01:49:07.000 Yeah, when you're young, you're just a fucking dummy. 1.00

01:49:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:10.000 I was young.

01:49:11.000 I was so cocky.

01:49:12.000 I thought I could do anything.

01:49:13.000 Right.

01:49:13.000 And so that's how I was, even in bow hunting.

01:49:16.000 And now I'm just like, God.

01:49:19.000 Now I just train so much harder than I ever did.

01:49:22.000 When you're young, you also don't have a lot of experiences with consequences.

01:49:26.000 Right.

01:49:27.000 Yeah.

01:49:27.000 You don't have a lot of negative consequences.

01:49:30.000 So you think things are always going to be great.

01:49:34.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:49:35.000 That's testosterone, too.

01:49:37.000 Your body's all filled with piss and vinegar.

01:49:40.000 That's why people go to war when they're young. 0.62

01:49:42.000 That's why people do all kinds of wild things when they're young.

01:49:44.000 Because they have a different...

01:49:47.000 Perspective.

01:49:48.000 They don't send 50-year-old dudes to go to war. 0.99

01:49:50.000 They'll be like, what the fuck are we doing? 1.00

01:49:52.000 We can get shot. 1.00

01:49:53.000 Let's get out of here.

01:49:53.000 It's dangerous.

01:49:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Can we drop bombs on these fucking people from the sky? 1.00

01:49:57.000 Let's get out of here. 1.00

01:49:58.000 Yeah.

01:50:01.000 It's an interesting thing, the journey of life and learning what you can and can't do and learning why you couldn't do it and that maybe you could have done it if you did something differently.

01:50:13.000 I think it's important to like so where we are now when you get older I think it's we've talked about taking risks and we talked about doing hard things but those things humble you yeah you know I know fighting can humble you greatly I haven't done it like you know like what you have but bowhunting can humble you the long the big endurance races can humble you so I think that being humbled man that that makes a big impact on somebody It does,

01:50:41.000 but also success motivates you, too.

01:50:44.000 It's like not just the humbling, but the actual success, you know? 0.99

01:50:48.000 It's like watching, like we were saying, watching an arrow perfectly fly and slam into the vitals when you know it was a lethal shot, and you know that it's lethal because you fucking practiced. 0.98

01:51:00.000 You put in all that time, all that time. 0.98

01:51:03.000 No, I know.

01:51:04.000 It's that sheep hunt.

01:51:07.000 I mean, I've only had two of them and two sheep tags in my life in 33. Well, I've been...

01:51:13.000 People need to know, like, wild sheep, very difficult to get a tag for.

01:51:17.000 Yes.

01:51:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:17.000 Bighorn sheep.

01:51:18.000 It's basically...

01:51:19.000 In Oregon, it's once in a lifetime, so my home state.

01:51:23.000 And I've never drawn, so I've put in for, you know, decades.

01:51:27.000 Never drawn.

01:51:27.000 And once I do draw, that's it.

01:51:30.000 You get one tag of life.

01:51:32.000 Whether you kill or not, that's it.

01:51:34.000 So if you're not going to...

01:51:37.000 And basically all the states, it's very low odds of drawing a tag.

01:51:42.000 All western states, every place that has sheep. 0.98

01:51:44.000 So the first time I went with Roy up to Alaska, I paid.

01:51:47.000 And he was the guy and I did a doll sheep hunt. 0.51

01:51:51.000 That was my first one.

01:51:51.000 And then this one, same thing.

01:51:54.000 Either you draw or you pay.

01:51:55.000 So those are my two tags.

01:51:57.000 But anyway, point is, is like...

01:52:00.000 Where something like not once in a lifetime but close to it and it comes down to an arrow flying through the air and killing it, you've got to practice for that moment.

01:52:11.000 You've got to practice for that moment.

01:52:12.000 Yeah.

01:52:13.000 And when it does find its mark, it's reinforcing your...

01:52:19.000 All that effort and reinforcing all that focus and concentration and letting you know you're on the right path.

01:52:25.000 You did the right thing.

01:52:26.000 You did the right thing and here's your reward.

01:52:27.000 Now get back to work.

01:52:28.000 For that one time.

01:52:29.000 For that one time.

01:52:30.000 And then get back to work.

01:52:31.000 Yeah, the next time it's not going to have anything to do with that time.

01:52:33.000 Yeah, I had an aggravated shoulder and I took a couple months off of shooting and then I remember like the first arrow back It was like 65 yards on a target.

01:52:48.000 Perfect bullseye.

01:52:49.000 Second arrow, not perfect at all.

01:52:52.000 Miss?

01:52:53.000 Yeah, no, I hit the target, but I was off by like 10 inches. 0.99

01:52:57.000 I was like, what the fuck is that? 1.00

01:52:58.000 And then the third arrow, a little closer, I was like, oh, this is being consistent, stupid. 1.00

01:53:04.000 This is why. 0.99

01:53:04.000 This is part of it. 0.99

01:53:05.000 The first arrow was perfect.

01:53:07.000 But it's like, how many times can you do that?

01:53:12.000 You could have stopped right there.

01:53:13.000 I could have stopped right there and pretended that I didn't have to work hard.

01:53:18.000 I've heard that people will go on elk hunts and literally not practice until they get into camp.

01:53:23.000 And then they pull out their bow and they get a little Reinhardt target and they start firing a couple of arrows at them like, what are you talking about?

01:53:29.000 You haven't been practicing?

01:53:30.000 I haven't had the time!

01:53:32.000 You haven't had the time when you're out here on an elk hunt?

01:53:34.000 They don't really think they're going to kill, though.

01:53:36.000 I mean, they're pretty much going with the odds are you're not going to kill.

01:53:40.000 The odds are 10% success.

01:53:42.000 So the odds are you're not going to kill.

01:53:44.000 And so they're just like, well, I'm probably not going to kill it.

01:53:46.000 Maybe I will.

01:53:47.000 Maybe I won't.

01:53:48.000 They're not living and dying with that.

01:53:50.000 And that's being dramatic.

01:53:52.000 But their purpose isn't wrapped up in that.

01:53:56.000 Right.

01:53:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:53:57.000 Right.

01:53:57.000 Well, a great example of how difficult bow hunting is to me has always been lanai.

01:54:03.000 Because lanai is, on paper, the easiest place to kill an animal with a bow.

01:54:08.000 20,000 deer, 30. Oh, 30,000 deer, 3,000 people.

01:54:12.000 3,000 people, and they're fucking everywhere. 0.98

01:54:15.000 If someone said to me, okay, I'm going to go on this hunt, what are the odds of me seeing a deer? 0.99

01:54:19.000 100%.

01:54:21.000 There's no if, ands, or buts.

01:54:23.000 100% you will see deer.

01:54:25.000 100% you will get shots.

01:54:27.000 But you're probably likely not to kill a deer.

01:54:31.000 This is what's crazy.

01:54:32.000 We were there, and we had the dream team, right? 0.98

01:54:36.000 It was you, Adam Greentree, John Dudley, Remy Warren, Shane Dorian, I mean, god damn, there was a lot of killers in that camp, right? 0.85

01:54:47.000 Like, guys who were professionals, guys who were, like, expert archers, guys like Shane Dorian that have a lot of animals under their belt, so... 0.95

01:54:58.000 It was a crazy camp.

01:55:00.000 A lot of us, we did the podcast from Lanai.

01:55:03.000 We wound up killing, like, everybody got a deer.

01:55:07.000 Everybody at least got one deer.

01:55:09.000 But there was a lot of missing.

01:55:11.000 They're an animal that evolved to get away from tigers.

01:55:14.000 They're the craziest, fastest animal I've ever hunted in my life.

01:55:18.000 They're like lightning.

01:55:19.000 You can't believe how quickly they could dodge an arrow.

01:55:22.000 Well, we left.

01:55:23.000 And then when I talked to the guide, when we went back the next year, he said 150 hunters came to bow hunt.

01:55:31.000 One was successful.

01:55:33.000 One killed.

01:55:34.000 Besides us.

01:55:34.000 One besides us.

01:55:35.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 The rest of them all pulled out a rifle after like five days.

01:55:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:38.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:55:40.000 If you have a rifle, 100% you're going to kill. 1.00

01:55:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:55:44.000 100%.

01:55:44.000 And it's the best meat in the world.

01:55:46.000 Like, it's right up there with elk.

01:55:47.000 A little different.

01:55:48.000 I prefer elk, but not by much.

01:55:50.000 Yeah, no.

01:55:50.000 They're great.

01:55:51.000 It's incredible.

01:55:52.000 Axis is like sweet almost.

01:55:54.000 Oh, it is amazing meat.

01:55:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:57.000 But that's how hard it is.

01:55:59.000 It's hard. 1.00

01:56:00.000 And this is all these goddamn animals. 1.00

01:56:02.000 There's so many of them. 1.00

01:56:03.000 I know.

01:56:04.000 It's not like hiking into the mountains like you have to do in Utah or in Colorado when you're trying to hunt elk.

01:56:11.000 You've got to go to elevation.

01:56:13.000 You're out there.

01:56:14.000 That's a whole other aspect.

01:56:15.000 You're competing with mountain lions.

01:56:16.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 What do you think is the hardest part of bow hunting?

01:56:21.000 The moment of execution.

01:56:23.000 That's the hardest part.

01:56:25.000 But also getting yourself prepared for the moment of execution requires so much commitment. 0.77

01:56:30.000 You have to shoot so many times.

01:56:33.000 It's hard for a person who is an archer to describe to someone who's never shot a bow.

01:56:41.000 We're good to go.

01:57:01.000 You have to make sure that you're staying calm in the moment.

01:57:04.000 You're not being overcome by anxiety.

01:57:06.000 You have to make sure that you've practiced so much that you have 100% confidence that when you release that arrow, it's gonna go where you want it to go.

01:57:14.000 And then there's no taking it back.

01:57:16.000 Once the arrow's leaving, there's no taking it back.

01:57:19.000 Then there's your fitness. 1.00

01:57:20.000 In order to be able to hike into the mountains to get to where these things are, you can't be a fat fuck. 1.00

01:57:25.000 You can't be out of shape. 1.00

01:57:27.000 You can't have piss poor cardio.

01:57:28.000 You cannot!

01:57:29.000 You have to go to where they are.

01:57:31.000 And they're there because that's hard to get to. 0.99

01:57:33.000 They're there because there's mountain lions and there's people and there's bears and there's fucking wolves. 1.00

01:57:38.000 So they go high up and they're fit as fuck. 1.00

01:57:42.000 When you watch an elk run up the side of a hill, you're like, how the fuck am I supposed to compete with that thing? 1.00

01:57:49.000 Slow bitch-ass legs I have. 1.00

01:57:52.000 So becoming proficient is the first one and then crunch time is the second one. 0.99

01:57:57.000 Yeah, becoming proficient, but you can become proficient and not be able to deal with crunch time.

01:58:03.000 Crunch time might be harder.

01:58:05.000 I think it is.

01:58:07.000 Yeah, I think crunch time's harder because there's a lot of proficient people that are proficient, but they're just not good during crunch time.

01:58:16.000 Yeah, there's great shooters that screw it up.

01:58:19.000 They screw it up after decades of hunting, too.

01:58:22.000 They're some of the best shooters in the world who mess up in crunch time.

01:58:28.000 It's like that with everything.

01:58:30.000 It's like that with comedy.

01:58:32.000 It's like that with martial arts.

01:58:35.000 Miyamoto Musashi, the great samurai who wrote that book, The Book of Five Rings, he said, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

01:58:45.000 And when I think of bow hunting, it's an incredibly difficult pursuit.

01:58:50.000 And it's like many incredibly difficult pursuits.

01:58:52.000 Mm-hmm.

01:58:53.000 It's like you have to have all, there's no shortcuts.

01:58:56.000 Everything has to align, including you with your mind and your spirit.

01:59:00.000 Everything has to be aligned.

01:59:02.000 I think that's the same with basically all the difficult things that I've ever done.

01:59:07.000 They all have that in common, that everything has to be aligned.

01:59:11.000 There's no half-assing.

01:59:14.000 That's, I mean, I don't know.

01:59:15.000 I love the test of it.

01:59:18.000 So, you talked about becoming proficient, becoming comfortable with all those different aspects of shooting.

01:59:24.000 I mean, even when I'm shooting in my driveway, I see people chiming in about, are you going to hit your truck?

01:59:30.000 Or your dog.

01:59:32.000 But my truck is, you know, I'm shooting through a two-foot lane.

01:59:35.000 I'm not going to be two feet off.

01:59:37.000 But to somebody who doesn't know, maybe they are.

01:59:40.000 I don't know.

01:59:40.000 Maybe...

01:59:43.000 You shoot through your window sometimes.

01:59:45.000 I do.

01:59:46.000 Yeah, I did at 85 yards.

01:59:48.000 But to me, it's like, if I'm going to shoot through the Raptor window at 85 yards, I mean, I've got to believe in...

01:59:55.000 To me, that's so what I hit my truck.

01:59:58.000 If I'm going to wound an animal, that's...

02:00:01.000 You can fix your truck.

02:00:01.000 I don't care about my truck.

02:00:02.000 Right.

02:00:03.000 I care about that animal so it's like it's all part of that test that focus and it's um but I don't know people have the hardest time with that but I mean I don't know maybe that's one of the reasons why that Leupold uh full draw for that range finder so good yeah because when you program it right I know you haven't programmed yours but if you program it right it shows you exactly where the height of the arrow is yeah so if you're looking at a target It shows you,

02:00:30.000 oh, you will hit that branch.

02:00:32.000 Yeah.

02:00:32.000 Because you don't know sometimes.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:34.000 An arrow, you know, it drops down over time. 1.00

02:00:37.000 That rangefinder is shit. 1.00

02:00:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:39.000 It shows you exactly where that line is. 1.00

02:00:42.000 That's good.

02:00:43.000 But also, that's a lot of detail for people because that's crunch time.

02:00:48.000 Yeah.

02:00:48.000 So people miss a lot more than where the arrow is going to go.

02:00:52.000 Have you ever seen that guy Joel Turner's website, Shot IQ website?

02:00:56.000 It's really good.

02:00:58.000 It's really important because he explains what is going on during this moment of crunch time with your mind and how your mind just wants it to be over with.

02:01:10.000 Right.

02:01:10.000 Get the arrow in the way.

02:01:12.000 And you'll go through it.

02:01:13.000 The way he describes it is you can go through it and you don't even know what happened.

02:01:17.000 Or you can go through it and have an absolute memory of every single step that happened because you keep your mind in the present moment.

02:01:25.000 And you do that through repeating a mantra and saying things to yourself while you do it.

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:30.000 I know that people do that.

02:01:31.000 People shoot all the time.

02:01:32.000 They don't know how far it was.

02:01:34.000 They don't know if they lined up their peep.

02:01:36.000 They don't know if they leveled up their...

02:01:38.000 Their bow.

02:01:39.000 They just shoot.

02:01:41.000 And then they don't know what happened.

02:01:42.000 They don't know where the arrow went.

02:01:43.000 So yeah, that can happen in the blink of an eye, or it seems like a thousand miles an hour, when really it's a lot of steps to that process you need to be aware of.

02:01:52.000 This bullet I shot in California, which was absolutely the biggest bullet I ever shot in my life.

02:01:57.000 I know, huge.

02:01:58.000 I was...

02:01:59.000 So aware of every single moment of the whole process, and we called this bull in, and the bull circled around to try to get our wind, and when he was at 50 yards, he was looking right at us,

02:02:14.000 but he still wasn't sure what we were because we were fully camoed. 0.99

02:02:17.000 Like, when a bull sees you and you're not moving, they don't know what the fuck you are. 0.97

02:02:22.000 They recognize movement, so if you're still, yeah. 0.99

02:02:25.000 So he was trying to figure out what we were, but he was clearly horny.

02:02:29.000 And when my buddy Cody, who's with me, the guide, when he blew the cow call and the bull stopped at 50 yards, I remember every single thing I did.

02:02:42.000 I remember watching the peep and then settling it in there with the housing, making sure it's perfect, making sure the level is just right, pulling through the shot, and then...

02:02:54.000 And watching that arrow.

02:02:56.000 And that makes up for all that time.

02:02:59.000 I mean, I enjoy archery.

02:03:00.000 I enjoy the practice.

02:03:02.000 So it's not like it's difficult work.

02:03:03.000 It's enjoyable.

02:03:04.000 But knowing that you put in all that time and during that time with for sure the biggest elk I've ever seen on the hoof.

02:03:12.000 I've never seen an elk that's that big.

02:03:14.000 And to have that arrow right behind the shoulders like...

02:03:18.000 Yeah.

02:03:20.000 That's why with the pictures of it, I wanted that hole to be right there in the picture.

02:03:24.000 I want to see that.

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:26.000 No, that was...

02:03:27.000 Perfect.

02:03:28.000 Yeah, that was...

02:03:28.000 And they talk about people think like basketball, baseball, fighting, things happen in slow motion is what people have termed it as.

02:03:36.000 It's like everything slows down and you're in complete control.

02:03:39.000 Whereas when you're not, when you're new, it's like you don't remember any of it.

02:03:44.000 Yeah.

02:03:44.000 So it sounds like that experience right there was like slow motion.

02:03:48.000 Everything was...

02:03:49.000 You were just in control of every aspect.

02:03:51.000 And it was also great because it was only two weeks after Utah.

02:03:55.000 So I had already gone on the first hunt.

02:03:57.000 I had already had success.

02:03:58.000 I understood.

02:03:59.000 I was in the groove.

02:04:02.000 It's like hunting is a thing that I think is like many things.

02:04:05.000 It's like you have to do...

02:04:06.000 Like when I do stand-up a lot, I get loose.

02:04:09.000 And then I know what I'm doing.

02:04:11.000 I still get nervous.

02:04:12.000 I still get excited because it's important to me.

02:04:14.000 But I know what it is.

02:04:16.000 I'm super familiar with it.

02:04:18.000 When I take like 10 months off of hunting and then I go back in and hunt again, like the first arrow or so, that's one of the things that's great about lanai.

02:04:28.000 That hunt is the best hunt to warm up because you've got all these targets.

02:04:32.000 It's a tough one to warm up to.

02:04:34.000 I like spring bear.

02:04:36.000 That's a good one, too.

02:04:37.000 But it's the same sort of thing, right?

02:04:39.000 You get this opportunity to get a great animal, get that meat, but also you get the feeling of bow hunting.

02:04:50.000 And it's not just a memory, it's a very recent memory.

02:04:54.000 Yeah.

02:04:55.000 It's, you know, I was, I was thinking, well, I think a lot of things when I think about hunting, but, uh, that is one where we're in regular society.

02:05:03.000 It's like, everything's a thousand miles an hour.

02:05:06.000 We're not even paying attention to detail, barely listening to people when they talk, you know, and just, and with hunting, it's like, you have to shed all that.

02:05:14.000 And you're like, no, I got to be present in every single moment.

02:05:18.000 I've got to make all these good decisions.

02:05:20.000 I've got to be aware of the wind, of everything that's going on.

02:05:22.000 So you're hyper-focused, whereas in life, you're not focused at all a lot of times.

02:05:27.000 So I was thinking about that, too.

02:05:29.000 But then also, that brought me to another point.

02:05:33.000 Like my sheep that I just killed, it's like it's already over.

02:05:37.000 And I'm trying to think about what kind of sense that makes to me.

02:05:44.000 If it wasn't for photos, and we get judged a lot for our photos, you know, the grip and grins, so to speak.

02:05:50.000 But if it wasn't for the photos, all I have is my memory of that moment.

02:05:54.000 And that memory fades.

02:05:55.000 And I'm like, I killed that animal, one of the most iconic animals in the West.

02:06:02.000 I've only hunted them twice in my entire life.

02:06:04.000 And so that moment of killing it, butchering it, packing it out, that's over.

02:06:10.000 That was one afternoon. 0.62

02:06:12.000 Is that it?

02:06:14.000 But no, I have this video and I have these photos and I have these memories that are on my phone, you know, and I can relive.

02:06:22.000 And it's like so powerful because, you know, we talked about that.

02:06:27.000 I looked at some of the Native American stuff back there, but the cave drawings and all that was kind of their memory of the hunt.

02:06:32.000 But how powerful is those memories we capture on the hunt?

02:06:37.000 Otherwise, it's just a fading memory.

02:06:39.000 And sometimes our memory changes it.

02:06:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:06:43.000 But that photo and that video, the kill of you, I think two or three years ago now.

02:06:49.000 Oh, in Utah.

02:06:50.000 In Utah.

02:06:51.000 But we have that forever.

02:06:52.000 That's the elk right when you walk in.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, I saw it.

02:06:55.000 The one by the flag, that's the elk.

02:06:56.000 I saw it.

02:06:57.000 I'll never forget that.

02:06:58.000 No, I remember that bull, but I remember that moment, and we have that moment captured forever, but I was thinking about how important that is for hunters to have those memories and to be able to look back, because other than that, it's just that I'm going to die in on one day.

02:07:14.000 I think one of the problems that we face is that it's very difficult for us to get the way we feel about hunting to get into the minds of other people that don't hunt.

02:07:24.000 You know, they don't understand why we're so happy when the animal gets hit.

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 Because they don't understand how hard it is to do.

02:07:31.000 They don't understand there's so much anxiety and there's so much pressure.

02:07:35.000 And then when you keep it together and execute and you see that arrow right behind the shoulder, right into the vitals, and you know you did your job.

02:07:44.000 It's so...

02:07:45.000 Like that moment when you turned around to me and you're like, oh my god.

02:07:48.000 I'm like, oh!

02:07:49.000 Like, we did it.

02:07:50.000 That was a moment where all that hard work, all that practice, it all paid off.

02:07:54.000 But from the outside in, you're looking at that and going...

02:07:57.000 Why are they so happy?

02:07:58.000 They're so happy because this animal's dying.

02:08:00.000 Exactly.

02:08:00.000 Why are they so happy?

02:08:01.000 I was watching a video today where this guy shot this giant mule deer.

02:08:05.000 And afterwards, him and his buddy were laughing and high-fiving, and he grabs this huge 215-plus mule deer by the antlers, and they're just giddy with excitement. 0.94

02:08:19.000 I'm like, to someone who doesn't understand hunting, you would look at that and go, oh, these guys are vicious psychopaths. 0.88

02:08:25.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:08:25.000 We're good to go. 0.96

02:08:43.000 You're in a position to make a shot, to be actually competent enough with archery, to execute a shot, especially a long shot, right?

02:08:52.000 A 50-yard shot, a 60-yard shot, a long shot, and then to understand what it really means.

02:08:59.000 Because it's not a killing thing.

02:09:02.000 It's a success thing and it's a nurturing thing because you're going to get food from that.

02:09:07.000 This is going to nurture your body and your family's body.

02:09:11.000 This is food.

02:09:12.000 It's the best food.

02:09:14.000 And you're a testament to that, man. 0.99

02:09:16.000 I mean, if somebody wants to look at athletic performance, look at what the fuck you do and look at what you eat. 0.99

02:09:20.000 You don't think that's related? 0.98

02:09:22.000 It's got to be related.

02:09:24.000 Your nutrition is off the charts.

02:09:26.000 You have literally, like, your diet is mostly wild game.

02:09:30.000 Mm-hmm.

02:09:31.000 It's like the most nutrient-rich meat that's available, but you gotta go get it.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 You gotta go get it.

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:39.000 And that's empowering.

02:09:41.000 Yeah.

02:09:41.000 Just having that mindset.

02:09:42.000 But it's the mindset, too, that goes along with the fuel and then the purpose.

02:09:47.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 So it's like it's that perfect storm, but yeah.

02:09:50.000 And the diminishing thing, the people that want to diminish, they go, yeah, well, that's not available to everybody.

02:09:55.000 The whole world can't hunt.

02:09:57.000 Yeah.

02:09:57.000 Well, guess what?

02:09:58.000 Even if they could, they wouldn't.

02:09:59.000 Yeah.

02:10:00.000 Like, the whole world can't do most things.

02:10:02.000 Right.

02:10:02.000 Most people aren't going to do most things.

02:10:04.000 Right.

02:10:04.000 It's true.

02:10:05.000 Most people are just, they just, for whatever reason, I'm not saying they can't do better.

02:10:10.000 I'm not saying that I wish they didn't do better.

02:10:13.000 I wish they did.

02:10:14.000 But they're not.

02:10:15.000 If you just looked at reality, if you say, like, hunting's not available, it's not a way the world can survive with food and we need to all go vegan because otherwise everyone's going to be factory farming.

02:10:27.000 I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm telling you what I do.

02:10:30.000 If you want to do what I do, guess what?

02:10:32.000 It's possible.

02:10:33.000 Yeah, it's definitely possible.

02:10:35.000 It's totally possible.

02:10:36.000 Yeah.

02:10:36.000 Not easy.

02:10:37.000 We're not maxed out on opportunity for hunters.

02:10:39.000 No!

02:10:40.000 Not even close.

02:10:41.000 I know bow hunting especially is gaining in popularity, in large part because of you and what you've talked about and these discussions like this.

02:10:49.000 And who wouldn't be attracted to that?

02:10:51.000 I mean, that's...

02:10:52.000 Any...

02:10:53.000 Or not any man, but many men want to know more about that lifestyle just from these discussions.

02:11:00.000 So I get that, but we're not maximized on opportunity for sure.

02:11:04.000 No, not even at all.

02:11:05.000 And you know, my first feeling of success hunting was not bow hunting, it was rifle hunting.

02:11:11.000 When Steve Rinella, I mean, first of all, how lucky am I, rather, to have Steve Rinella introduce me to hunting and you introduce me to bow hunting.

02:11:20.000 I'm very lucky.

02:11:21.000 But when he took me out on that mule deer hunt in Montana and I shot that buck and we were eating that meat over the fire that night, I remember thinking right away, I'm doing this forever.

02:11:32.000 Yeah.

02:11:33.000 This is what I do.

02:11:34.000 And even if I had just done rifle hunting, I would have been doing that forever.

02:11:38.000 I would have been doing it forever.

02:11:39.000 That's what I do.

02:11:39.000 Well, I think that's a good place for a lot of hunters to start.

02:11:43.000 Rifle hunting is a great segue into the lifestyle.

02:11:47.000 For sure.

02:11:48.000 And then if you want to transition to bow hunting, that's fine, too.

02:11:52.000 You don't have to.

02:11:52.000 It just takes much more time to be proficient with the bow.

02:11:56.000 Much more time.

02:11:57.000 But rifle hunting is available to a lot more people, and especially folks here in Texas.

02:12:03.000 Pig hunting.

02:12:04.000 It's available all year round.

02:12:07.000 It's great meat.

02:12:09.000 It's delicious.

02:12:11.000 If you find a good butcher shop, they'll make you some great sausage.

02:12:16.000 My God, wild boar sausage is sensational.

02:12:19.000 It's so good.

02:12:20.000 It's so good for you.

02:12:21.000 And you're also doing a good service because they need to get rid of some of these animals.

02:12:25.000 There's an infestation of these invasive animals.

02:12:29.000 Wild pigs are not natural to this area.

02:12:32.000 They're not rather native to this area.

02:12:34.000 They're invasive.

02:12:54.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:12:55.000 You know, Mike Judge, the guy from Beavis and Butthead, he actually asked me to come kill pigs at his place. 0.94

02:13:01.000 Really? 0.95

02:13:02.000 Yeah.

02:13:02.000 Well, if you want to go whitetail hunting with me, I'm coming down in December.

02:13:05.000 Right after Thanksgiving.

02:13:09.000 And they got some big bucks.

02:13:11.000 Yeah, they do have big bucks.

02:13:12.000 Yeah, Truett killed one last year.

02:13:15.000 I killed two. 0.78

02:13:16.000 Nice. 0.97

02:13:17.000 But yeah, it's free range, South Texas.

02:13:20.000 And they're delicious.

02:13:21.000 Oh, so good.

02:13:22.000 G.K. Paloma.

02:13:24.000 I want to do some Neil guy hunting out here.

02:13:27.000 That's another animal.

02:13:28.000 That's an invasive animal. 0.99

02:13:31.000 My friend Jesse Griffiths, who was the head chef at...

02:13:34.000 Excuse me.

02:13:47.000 Yeah, I bet.

02:13:58.000 It's fantastic.

02:14:00.000 That's another interesting animal that lives out here.

02:14:03.000 When I was down here last year, there was this cook in camp.

02:14:08.000 The gathering girl is her name on Instagram.

02:14:11.000 But I didn't know who she was.

02:14:13.000 We were at this little trailer, I think.

02:14:17.000 And she brought over dinner.

02:14:18.000 She had cooked.

02:14:19.000 We'd been out hunting.

02:14:20.000 And I took a bite.

02:14:22.000 I think it was duck.

02:14:23.000 And I've never even eaten duck.

02:14:24.000 I'm not like a big duck eater.

02:14:26.000 But anyway, I took a bite and I was just like, wait a second.

02:14:30.000 What?

02:14:30.000 Who are you?

02:14:31.000 I mean, it was like the best meal I have ever eaten in this hunting camp in some trailer.

02:14:37.000 And she had tattoos, kind of... 0.99

02:14:40.000 I didn't know...

02:14:41.000 Find her on Instagram.

02:14:42.000 The Gathering Girl?

02:14:43.000 The Gathering Girl.

02:14:44.000 But the most amazing cook...

02:14:47.000 I just couldn't believe the food we ate there.

02:14:49.000 The thing about wild game cooks like Jesse Griffiths or Steve Rinello, who's an amazing cook himself, it's like wild game cooks, they have, there's a different feeling of connection to the animals that they're cooking because not only are these people chefs, like Jesse's an amazing chef,

02:15:05.000 but he's also a hunter.

02:15:07.000 And Jesse actually runs, there she is. 1.00

02:15:10.000 She helped me skin my deer and yeah, she was awesome.

02:15:14.000 Oh, okay.

02:15:15.000 Let me see some other pictures here.

02:15:17.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:15:18.000 Okay, so she's mostly cooking wild game stuff, too.

02:15:20.000 She's like a five-star chef. 0.99

02:15:21.000 I didn't know this.

02:15:22.000 Oh, a five-star chef and a hunter.

02:15:25.000 See, Jesse actually has courses where he takes people out for their first time hunting.

02:15:32.000 And he takes people out.

02:15:34.000 He takes them through the whole thing. 0.92

02:15:35.000 Shooting the animal, butchering it, and then cooking it.

02:15:39.000 So he teaches them through this whole course that he runs.

02:15:43.000 And it's to get people more enthusiastic and get them to understand what hunting is like and get them to appreciate what's possible with wild game cooking.

02:15:55.000 Well, if she prepared it, I mean, it's the best meal you've ever had.

02:16:02.000 Yeah, and people are interested.

02:16:03.000 Jesse is actually on two of the episodes of Steve Rinella's show.

02:16:08.000 Meat Eater on Netflix.

02:16:10.000 One episode where they went down to South Texas and they went fishing.

02:16:14.000 And they caught a bunch of redfish and a bunch of different fish from the ocean down there.

02:16:21.000 And they cooked those up and then they hunted and they shot Neil Guy and then they cooked that.

02:16:27.000 It's an amazing episode.

02:16:29.000 But to have someone who's a really good cook that can prepare wild game in that way is really sensational.

02:16:37.000 Yeah.

02:16:38.000 Yeah.

02:16:38.000 Well, I don't know.

02:16:39.000 It made an impact on me.

02:16:41.000 So if you want to go there, let me know.

02:16:42.000 Do you cook yourself?

02:16:44.000 Usually my wife.

02:16:45.000 She cooks it? 1.00

02:16:46.000 Yeah.

02:16:46.000 Yeah, I was like, how do you have the time?

02:16:48.000 Yeah, I usually get home.

02:16:49.000 And the thing about it, I can tell, like for whatever reason, the bulls I kill, I can always tell the Arizona, the Arizona bull is the best bull of any of the ones I kill.

02:16:59.000 Really?

02:16:59.000 And she'll make a dinner and I'll come home, I'll be eating elk and I'll be like, this is Arizona, right?

02:17:03.000 And I can tell.

02:17:04.000 How can you tell?

02:17:05.000 I don't know.

02:17:06.000 It just tastes amazing.

02:17:07.000 I wonder what they're eating that makes them taste different.

02:17:11.000 I'm not sure.

02:17:13.000 Yeah.

02:17:14.000 I wonder what their diet is.

02:17:15.000 It's different.

02:17:16.000 Different grasses that they're consuming or something.

02:17:19.000 I looked it up, and I knew at one time, and now I can't think of...

02:17:21.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 Let me think.

02:17:25.000 I don't know, but whatever it is, it's...

02:17:27.000 That's crazy.

02:17:27.000 You're like a wine sommelier.

02:17:29.000 Yeah, with elk.

02:17:30.000 You eat it, you sniff it.

02:17:31.000 This is Arizona.

02:17:34.000 Well, I mean, the Oregon pepperoni steaks from this bull this year were incredible.

02:17:40.000 But part of that, too, is a processor that in Cottage Grove, those guys do amazing.

02:17:46.000 Cottage Grove, Oregon, they do amazing with my elk.

02:17:49.000 But the Arizona bulls just right as they come, man, so good.

02:17:54.000 Yeah, it's amazing meat.

02:17:57.000 The thing about elk is most of the people that are buying elk, if you go to a restaurant and you get elk tenderloin, what's crazy is you're getting it from New Zealand.

02:18:07.000 Oh, really?

02:18:08.000 Yeah.

02:18:09.000 Isn't that wild?

02:18:10.000 Yeah, not that fresh then.

02:18:12.000 Well, maybe they freeze it fresh and then ship it over here frozen.

02:18:15.000 I mean, it's not much different than if I take a steak out of my freezer.

02:18:18.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:18:19.000 Right?

02:18:20.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:18:21.000 I ate a couple pieces of liver and a couple pieces of backstrap fresh before I had to vacuum seal everything and put it in the freezer.

02:18:31.000 Yeah.

02:18:31.000 But it doesn't take much difference.

02:18:33.000 No.

02:18:34.000 Between fresh and thawed out.

02:18:36.000 We use like a lot of the, if I want to kill bear, we'll put that in the instapot.

02:18:42.000 And that, man, that instapot makes meat really good.

02:18:45.000 So slow cooker?

02:18:46.000 Yeah.

02:18:47.000 Yeah.

02:18:47.000 It says insta, but it's really like six hours.

02:18:49.000 No, but it's like high pressured.

02:18:51.000 Right, right, right.

02:18:52.000 Yeah.

02:18:53.000 No, right.

02:18:54.000 It is.

02:18:56.000 Is it six hours?

02:18:58.000 Depends.

02:18:59.000 Do you have one?

02:19:00.000 You can cook it real slow.

02:19:01.000 Yeah, I've got one.

02:19:01.000 Yeah, all I know is whatever comes out of it is, man.

02:19:04.000 What I had in my old house that I need to get, I need to go back to California and grab it, is a sous-vide.

02:19:10.000 One of those, you know, jewel sous-vides.

02:19:13.000 So you ever do that?

02:19:15.000 No.

02:19:15.000 You seal it in a bag and you could seal it with like a marinade and like garlic and whatever you want to cook your meat with.

02:19:24.000 And then like say if you want to...

02:19:25.000 Do you know the deal behind it?

02:19:26.000 No.

02:19:27.000 All right.

02:19:28.000 Say if you want to cook like a deer steak to 130 degrees, which would be like kind of like a medium rare.

02:19:35.000 You seal this in this bag.

02:19:37.000 You put your marinade or whatever spices you want to put on the meat.

02:19:40.000 Then you put it in this water.

02:19:44.000 And you set the Joule, whatever company, there's a bunch of different sous vide companies, but the idea is it keeps the water at 130 degrees.

02:19:54.000 It never gets any hotter.

02:19:56.000 So you could cook at 130 degrees for like six hours.

02:20:00.000 I know people that have cooked things like shoulders and stuff like that on a tougher cut of meat for 24 hours.

02:20:05.000 And then they're just falling apart, probably.

02:20:07.000 And it comes out just falling apart.

02:20:08.000 But you get it to the perfect temperature.

02:20:10.000 And then they use a blowtorch. 0.99

02:20:13.000 And they sear the outside with a fucking blowtorch. 1.00

02:20:16.000 Just... 1.00

02:20:17.000 Oh my god, that sounds...

02:20:18.000 It's sensational.

02:20:19.000 I bet it's great.

02:20:20.000 Or you could sear it into like a really wicked hot cast iron frying pan.

02:20:24.000 You sear the outside, then you let it rest for about 10 minutes and slice it in.

02:20:29.000 Perfect.

02:20:30.000 Because you know when you get a steak and it's like kind of crispy on the outside.

02:20:33.000 Oh.

02:20:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:20:35.000 You know, most of the way I cook it was with a Traeger, but you get the same thing.

02:20:39.000 I use the thermometer inside of it, and I get it to like...

02:20:45.000 With a Traeger, I usually keep it a little lower.

02:20:47.000 I get it to like 120 degrees, but I heat it up at like 260. So I'll heat it at 260 until it reaches an internal temperature of 120, and then I sear it on the outside.

02:20:56.000 Oh, I see.

02:20:57.000 Yeah.

02:20:58.000 I'm more of a...

02:20:59.000 I eat for fuel, not for taste, so I'm like, so...

02:21:02.000 But don't you like both?

02:21:04.000 You talked about this lady's duck.

02:21:05.000 Yeah, I know, but it doesn't motivate me.

02:21:07.000 I mean, it's like any effort I'm putting out is always for a purpose.

02:21:11.000 Right.

02:21:12.000 No, I get it.

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:13.000 But you could have both.

02:21:14.000 Yeah, I know.

02:21:15.000 I understand.

02:21:16.000 Fueled and taste.

02:21:17.000 Yeah.

02:21:18.000 I love cooking.

02:21:19.000 But that reminded me too, you said Jewel, which that was an amazing podcast.

02:21:23.000 Oh, the other Jewel.

02:21:24.000 I know, God.

02:21:26.000 But that also too reminded me of somebody who came up, you know, maybe that hard upbringing, character developing, without her upbringing, and it sounded terrible, but maybe she wouldn't be Jewel.

02:21:41.000 You know, it's interesting.

02:21:42.000 There's certain podcasts that really resonate with people.

02:21:45.000 And that one podcast, I've had more friends call me and text me about that than any podcast in recent memory other than Sanjay Gupta.

02:21:54.000 Yeah.

02:21:54.000 That was a big one.

02:21:55.000 For different reasons.

02:21:56.000 For different reasons.

02:21:57.000 Yeah.

02:21:57.000 But the Jewel one, so many people were motivated by her and so many people were impressed by her.

02:22:04.000 I knew she was smart because I'd seen her talk on Instagram and I'd seen the videos that she did and her and I had gone back and forth and we had chatted but not in person.

02:22:20.000 But then to see her talk in person and realize...

02:22:23.000 Not only is she smart to do a quick clip on Instagram where you get to see the way her brain works, but when you're having a conversation with her, a prolonged conversation for hours, I told her she should do a podcast when I tell it to everybody.

02:22:37.000 But I mean it when I say it, because I think it's an amazing way to be completely independent, but especially her.

02:22:45.000 You don't get to be that person without trial by fire.

02:22:51.000 She left her house when she was 15. She was homeless at 18. I know.

02:22:56.000 It's an incredible story.

02:22:57.000 And then at 20, she's a millionaire. 0.95

02:22:58.000 Yeah.

02:22:59.000 It's nuts, man.

02:23:00.000 Incredible story.

02:23:01.000 And then her mom steals her 100 million bucks from her. 0.96

02:23:04.000 You could tell she didn't...

02:23:06.000 She's kind of torn with that.

02:23:08.000 I mean, nobody wants to trash her mom. 1.00

02:23:10.000 You know what I mean? 0.55

02:23:11.000 I would trash my mom. 0.99

02:23:12.000 She stole $100 million. 1.00

02:23:13.000 I'd be on here every day. 1.00

02:23:14.000 Fuck you, bitch. 1.00

02:23:15.000 I could even... 1.00

02:23:16.000 She was almost not really making excuses, but didn't want to trash her, essentially.

02:23:22.000 And I mean, I get that, too.

02:23:24.000 You know, I mean, it's...

02:23:26.000 You can say that because you're removed.

02:23:28.000 It's not your mom, but it's like from the outside perspective, it's different.

02:23:33.000 But for her, I felt bad.

02:23:35.000 Yeah, I did too.

02:23:37.000 But I mean, I think I can speak for a lot of people.

02:23:40.000 It's like she's another one of those people who you've exposed.

02:23:44.000 I mean, everybody knew her before, but exposed a different part or different layer of that person.

02:23:50.000 And, you know...

02:23:53.000 Her, I just watched the documentary on Anthony Bourdain.

02:24:01.000 I mean, it's just like I just keep thinking about all these people who I wouldn't know in the same light if it wasn't for you.

02:24:09.000 And it's like, I think that's, you know, your legacy is that.

02:24:13.000 I mean, you've shared these amazing people with legions, millions, you know, that otherwise wouldn't have known them.

02:24:21.000 You know what's the weirdest part about it?

02:24:23.000 It all happens in here and it all feels like it's just me and that person.

02:24:27.000 Like right now.

02:24:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:24:28.000 You and I are talking, but fucking millions of people are going to see this and hear this. 0.99

02:24:34.000 That's what's weird. 0.99

02:24:35.000 Yeah, that is.

02:24:36.000 Doesn't feel like that.

02:24:36.000 Like you and I could be having this conversation.

02:24:38.000 We're going to have this conversation at dinner.

02:24:40.000 Right?

02:24:40.000 We're going to go eat after this.

02:24:41.000 Yeah.

02:24:41.000 Like we always talk like this.

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 I mean, not like completely uninterrupted.

02:24:47.000 Right.

02:24:47.000 Like a podcast style.

02:24:49.000 Right.

02:24:49.000 But it's not much different.

02:24:50.000 Not much different.

02:24:51.000 Yeah.

02:24:51.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:24:52.000 So to get a chance to sit down with someone like her and just talk, I mean, of course I'm aware of my job.

02:25:00.000 I know what it is, and I'm trying to, like, Massage the conversation to get the most, but with her it was so easy.

02:25:08.000 The weird thing is it just feels like me and you.

02:25:14.000 It just feels like her and I. It doesn't feel like the world is watching, which is the strangest thing about the impact of it.

02:25:22.000 It does really just feel like a normal conversation.

02:25:26.000 Yeah.

02:25:26.000 I mean, but you know as well as anybody, not everybody's good at doing that, at this.

02:25:32.000 You know, like how you're good at it and it's just second nature. 0.86

02:25:38.000 I listen to a lot of shitty podcasts because those people aren't good at it. 0.97

02:25:41.000 They like to be you, but they can't. 0.95

02:25:43.000 And it's like, it's not as easy as it sounds.

02:25:46.000 It's weird, right? 0.98

02:25:47.000 But I swear to God, whatever the fuck... 0.99

02:25:52.000 Why my personality is the way it is, it's almost like I was born for this. 1.00

02:25:57.000 I was born to do this this way.

02:26:00.000 It's not hard at all.

02:26:03.000 Sometimes it requires some effort, like I have to do research on certain different authors, some of the subjects.

02:26:10.000 I want to be able to get certain parts of their work out.

02:26:17.000 There's certain things I'd like to discuss about who they are, what they do, but it's not a hard thing.

02:26:26.000 Well, not when you're born to do it.

02:26:29.000 This is your gift.

02:26:30.000 It's like my personality was designed for this.

02:26:34.000 Because I've always, like I was telling Theo earlier, I always talk too much when I was a kid. 0.99

02:26:39.000 Everybody told me, shut the fuck up. 0.99

02:26:41.000 Like, you ask too many questions. 1.00

02:26:42.000 But I'm always like, well, how come?

02:26:43.000 Well, why is this?

02:26:44.000 Why do we have to do that?

02:26:45.000 Who says? 0.99

02:26:46.000 Who the fuck are they? 1.00

02:26:48.000 I've always been that guy. 0.99

02:26:49.000 So as podcasts develop, and then as I've developed my skill at communicating, which is definitely, I think, podcasting and conversations, having a conversation with a person is a skill.

02:27:05.000 You know some people are bad at it.

02:27:07.000 You talk to them and it's awkward.

02:27:08.000 And then some people are like, ah, I really like talking to that guy.

02:27:11.000 It's a nice little dance.

02:27:13.000 You develop it.

02:27:16.000 It's like I was meant to do this.

02:27:18.000 So why have Jewel on?

02:27:22.000 I mean, were you just interested in her story? 0.95

02:27:25.000 Well, I've always been a fan of her singing, and her voice is fucking incredible. 0.90

02:27:29.000 And then her story is wild, man. 0.94

02:27:33.000 And I also, when I realized that show Alaska, The Last Frontier...

02:27:38.000 It was her family.

02:27:39.000 It was her family.

02:27:40.000 I was like, Jewel comes from there?

02:27:42.000 Oh, I see.

02:27:43.000 I'm like, wow.

02:27:44.000 I was like, that's crazy.

02:27:45.000 These people are homesteaders.

02:27:47.000 They're the most robust, live off the land type of people there are.

02:27:51.000 Everything they do, the hunting and the fishing and everything off the land.

02:27:55.000 And the fact that that's where she came from, I was stunned because she's so beautiful and her voice is so incredible.

02:28:03.000 And the fact that she came out of that, like, wow! 0.99

02:28:06.000 What are the fucking odds? 0.99

02:28:08.000 And then to be... 0.99

02:28:12.000 Some people are just more impressive when they're in front of you.

02:28:16.000 She's more impressive. 0.98

02:28:17.000 Like, her mind is incredibly impressive. 0.74

02:28:20.000 Yeah, that's what struck me.

02:28:22.000 I think I texted you about how smart she was. 0.99

02:28:25.000 I was like, Jesus, this girl is amazing.

02:28:28.000 Well, she's also developing a school curriculum.

02:28:31.000 She's got a mental health program. 1.00

02:28:33.000 Yeah.

02:28:35.000 She's committed to that.

02:28:36.000 I mean, she's...

02:28:37.000 I don't know.

02:28:40.000 I was super impressed.

02:28:42.000 She's also a real artist.

02:28:44.000 What I mean by a real artist, she's an artist that decided at the peak of her fame that she was getting too famous.

02:28:51.000 Yeah.

02:28:51.000 So she took two years off.

02:28:53.000 I know.

02:28:54.000 That podcast fascinated me.

02:28:56.000 Well, that's not normal.

02:28:58.000 No.

02:28:58.000 That's super rare.

02:28:59.000 And to turn down that first million dollar offer.

02:29:02.000 At 20 years old! 1.00

02:29:03.000 Broke as fuck! 1.00

02:29:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:05.000 She turns down a million dollars.

02:29:06.000 Like, what?

02:29:07.000 That's pretty insightful.

02:29:08.000 It's just super unusual.

02:29:11.000 Yeah.

02:29:11.000 Just super unusual.

02:29:13.000 But that's also why she can make those kind of songs. 0.59

02:29:17.000 That's why she can become that person that she is.

02:29:21.000 And it's a good argument for overcoming adversity, how important it is.

02:29:30.000 Because her life was filled with nothing but adversity, just one challenge after the next.

02:29:35.000 But through it, she came out of the other end the opposite of jaded.

02:29:39.000 The worst case scenario is you get through all that and you're a hardened, jaded person.

02:29:43.000 She's the opposite of that.

02:29:45.000 She's kind and forgiving and interesting and wild.

02:29:53.000 It wasn't a great upbringing with her dad, then her mom when she was an adult, and now she's closer with her dad, it sounds like.

02:29:59.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Well, she doesn't even talk to her mom after she stole $100 million. 1.00

02:30:03.000 Right.

02:30:04.000 But anyway, the point is that story, I mean, I'm just super thankful that you exposed people to...

02:30:12.000 I mean, I knew Jewel, but man, not that part of it, so...

02:30:16.000 Well, I'm super thankful that I get to have the conversations that I have with these people because it's been an amazing education for me.

02:30:22.000 I've learned so much about life through talking to all these brilliant people, all these amazing, interesting people.

02:30:29.000 I've been exposed to more different kinds of people.

02:30:33.000 Exceptional people than most people that have ever lived.

02:30:37.000 I mean, if we really stop and think about 1,700-plus podcasts with all these brilliant folks and different, too.

02:30:47.000 Like yesterday, I had Gilbert Gottfried on, who's like a legendary comedian.

02:30:52.000 I remember him, yeah.

02:30:53.000 Legendary guy.

02:30:54.000 And then the day before that, I had my friend Ari Shafir, my friend Shane Gillis and Mark Norman, and we were all drunk and smoking cigars. 0.99

02:31:02.000 It's like it's all different, and we're talking shit, it's wild. 0.59

02:31:05.000 It's like every podcast is like a different kind of experience, but I have... 0.97

02:31:10.000 More of an understanding of people because of that than I would have ever had if I just lived a regular life.

02:31:17.000 But I think also the people that listen in, they get the same thing that I got out of it.

02:31:24.000 What I'm getting out of it is not much different than what they're getting out of it.

02:31:28.000 Because you can listen to these conversations and you also get exposed to people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Neil deGrasse Tyson and Brian Cox and all these comedians and Cam Haynes and all these different human beings.

02:31:44.000 It's like you get to see all the different ways a person can think about life and live life.

02:31:51.000 Right.

02:31:52.000 Yeah, that's important.

02:31:53.000 It's wild, man.

02:31:54.000 Yeah.

02:31:55.000 And that's life.

02:31:56.000 Life should be all these different kinds of experiences.

02:32:02.000 Life has so many possibilities.

02:32:07.000 And I think that's scary for people.

02:32:10.000 It's what we were talking about earlier, about people that are afraid of success.

02:32:12.000 They're afraid of the unknown.

02:32:16.000 The anxiety of not knowing how things are going to go is sometimes more overwhelming than the knowledge that you're a failure.

02:32:25.000 The knowledge that you're a failure that you went back to the pills.

02:32:28.000 Oh no, he's drinking again.

02:32:30.000 That is more comforting for some people to know that they're a failure than it is to not know if you're going to be a success.

02:32:39.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

02:32:42.000 And if nothing else, people, because of listening in here, maybe take more chances.

02:32:49.000 That's what the world needs.

02:32:50.000 The world needs change-takers. 0.98

02:32:52.000 They need change-takers.

02:32:54.000 You need it, too.

02:32:55.000 Everybody needs it.

02:32:56.000 I need it.

02:32:56.000 We all need it.

02:33:01.000 Staying inside the harbor, man, what are you doing?

02:33:03.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

02:33:04.000 Get out, bitch. 1.00

02:33:06.000 Don't do anything stupid. 1.00

02:33:07.000 Don't be swimming with sharks. 1.00

02:33:08.000 See that video I posted yesterday?

02:33:10.000 Oh my god, yeah. 1.00

02:33:11.000 What the fuck, man? 0.99

02:33:12.000 That guy had no idea. 1.00

02:33:13.000 No, just out swimming in the ocean.

02:33:15.000 He's almost dead.

02:33:16.000 Those give me as much anxiety as those people that do backflips on the top of roofs.

02:33:20.000 Oh, yeah.

02:33:21.000 I can't watch people get hurt and do stuff like that.

02:33:24.000 I don't like it.

02:33:25.000 I don't like those height ones when people are like death-defying heights.

02:33:29.000 I saw that there's a big story out that Joe Rogan returns to the booth at UFC 268. That's a big story?

02:33:36.000 Yeah.

02:33:37.000 That's hilarious.

02:33:38.000 I don't know if it's a big story, but it was a story. 0.99

02:33:40.000 I've been doing this for 21 fucking years. 0.94

02:33:41.000 I know, but you've been gone for a while. 0.99

02:33:43.000 They've done a lot of UFCs every weekend, it seems like.

02:33:47.000 Oh yeah, the last time I did one was July, I think.

02:33:49.000 Really?

02:33:50.000 I think so.

02:33:51.000 Yeah, so it's been a while.

02:33:53.000 August, September, October, November.

02:33:54.000 Yeah, four months.

02:33:54.000 Yeah.

02:33:55.000 It's been a while.

02:33:56.000 Well, I was supposed to be at the one in September.

02:33:58.000 There was a big one in Vegas. 0.99

02:33:59.000 But I had to be elk hunting, bitch. 1.00

02:34:01.000 That was a story, too. 1.00

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:03.000 Sorry.

02:34:04.000 People are mad at me.

02:34:05.000 Yeah.

02:34:05.000 I'm like, listen, I appreciate you, but I am not going to pass up on elk hunting, especially during the rut.

02:34:13.000 No.

02:34:13.000 It's a small window of time, and I'm going to be out there.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:16.000 Fact.

02:34:17.000 But you're going to be at this one.

02:34:19.000 I'm going to be at this one.

02:34:20.000 It's going to be epic.

02:34:21.000 And one of the things about calling UFC is I do it because I want to do it.

02:34:26.000 Yeah.

02:34:27.000 I do it because I love it.

02:34:28.000 Yeah.

02:34:28.000 I mean, it's way easier for me to just kick back at home with a cold one and watch on TV. Watch fights, yeah.

02:34:35.000 Put my feet up and even being there live.

02:34:37.000 I'd like to be there live and not call it.

02:34:39.000 But honestly, it wouldn't be as good because I have a better seat.

02:34:42.000 Because not only am I live, I'm right at the cage and I have the monitors there.

02:34:46.000 Yeah.

02:34:46.000 So I get to see things from different angles, if my vision's blocked.

02:34:50.000 Yeah.

02:34:50.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:51.000 I can't wait.

02:34:52.000 Yeah, that's one of the luckiest things that I am, because I'm such a fan of the sport.

02:34:56.000 So for me to not just get to be there, but to be there right at the edge of the cage with all the monitors and the headphones so I could hear everything perfectly, and to sit next to Daniel Cormier and John Anik,

02:35:12.000 and to call the fights, and then the fact that I can actually, like...

02:35:16.000 Enhance it for some people and put words to the performances and express how much of a fan I am and let that enthusiasm come through.

02:35:27.000 I'm very thankful.

02:35:28.000 How much do you love in the Octagon interviews afterwards, after the fights?

02:35:33.000 Man, some of them are intense, like Rose Namajunas.

02:35:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:38.000 She's emotional.

02:35:39.000 I cried watching that one when I watched it the second time.

02:35:42.000 Did you?

02:35:43.000 Because there's something about her.

02:35:48.000 She's endearing.

02:35:49.000 She's not just endearing, she's so pure.

02:35:51.000 When her and her boyfriend, Pat Barry, when they're talking to each other after the fight, and he's like, you're the best!

02:35:59.000 You're the best!

02:36:00.000 She's like, I am the best!

02:36:01.000 I am the best!

02:36:02.000 And she's kind of crying.

02:36:04.000 I'm just crying.

02:36:05.000 Yeah, and when I talked to her inside the octagon when I said before the fight cuz she was standing there before the fight She was like I'm the best I'm the best yeah And then I said that you were saying this to yourself before the front she goes I am the best yeah, it's like oh The way she said it was a revelation,

02:36:22.000 but it was like it was also was so pure It was like she was laughing and smiling and enjoying it and And even when she won the title, like when she won the title and she beat Joanna Jacek, she was like,

02:36:38.000 we need to be better people.

02:36:40.000 Just be nice to each other.

02:36:43.000 She really means that. 0.97

02:36:44.000 She's like this hippie assassin. 1.00

02:36:47.000 It's weird.

02:36:48.000 And I think the reason why when she was saying she's the best, because it feels to me like she's doubted.

02:36:54.000 She's doubted if she was the best.

02:36:56.000 And then she was like...

02:36:57.000 It was like a revelation that I am the best.

02:37:02.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

02:37:04.000 Mixed with that doubt, or coming from the doubt, it's what made it so powerful.

02:37:09.000 And I'm telling you, her challenge this weekend is not a small one.

02:37:12.000 It's a big challenge. 1.00

02:37:13.000 I know she knocked Zhang Weili out in the first fight with that head kick, but had she not landed that kick, that woman is a fucking monster. 1.00

02:37:23.000 Zhang Weili is one of the strongest women fighters that has ever existed. 0.99

02:37:28.000 She's so powerful and so aggressive, and her physical preparation is second to none. 0.99

02:37:33.000 When you watch that lady train, you're like, holy fuck. 1.00

02:37:36.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:37:37.000 She's like a woman possessed. 1.00

02:37:39.000 She chopped off all her hair for this fight, too. 1.00

02:37:42.000 She's not fucking around. 1.00

02:37:44.000 She's got a haircut like Bruce Lee. 0.99

02:37:46.000 A lot of pressure representing a country like that.

02:37:50.000 Oh my god, representing China?

02:37:51.000 Yeah.

02:37:52.000 Listen, tremendous pressure.

02:37:54.000 Tremendous pressure.

02:37:55.000 And she's a hero over there.

02:37:58.000 And she took that fight hard.

02:38:00.000 She took that loss hard.

02:38:02.000 She was devastated.

02:38:03.000 But...

02:38:05.000 Right back to the drawing board.

02:38:06.000 I've been watching video footage of her training, and my God, that woman. 1.00

02:38:10.000 She prepares second to none.

02:38:12.000 There's no one who prepares hard.

02:38:13.000 It's not possible to prepare harder than her.

02:38:16.000 I mean, she's doing it intelligently.

02:38:18.000 You know, they're monitoring her sign, her VO2 max, and all that stuff, and her heart rate.

02:38:24.000 But my God, the effort and the intensity.

02:38:27.000 But so is Rose.

02:38:28.000 I saw Rose hitting and kicking pads in the hotel room. 1.00

02:38:32.000 There's some pop on those things.

02:38:33.000 Oh my god, yeah.

02:38:34.000 She's so skilled.

02:38:35.000 Yeah.

02:38:35.000 Her striking is...

02:38:37.000 Incredible.

02:38:37.000 Amazing.

02:38:38.000 Incredible.

02:38:39.000 Incredible in her ability to rise to the occasion and find the mark.

02:38:44.000 Like when she landed that head kick on her, I mean think about how many times she's done that.

02:38:48.000 When she knocked out Ioana, when she landed that left hook on Ioana and then cracked her and dropped her and then put her away, like she can do that to anybody. 1.00

02:38:59.000 And she looks so innocent, just like her appearance is so polar opposite of the violence she can cause.

02:39:06.000 I know, totally unassuming and beautiful. 1.00

02:39:09.000 Shaves her fucking head. 1.00

02:39:10.000 That's what's crazy. 1.00

02:39:11.000 If you see her with her long hair, she's gorgeous.

02:39:14.000 Look at the two of them.

02:39:15.000 I know.

02:39:16.000 Oh my God.

02:39:16.000 Intense, man.

02:39:18.000 Intense.

02:39:19.000 Intense.

02:39:19.000 And it's going to be interesting to see how Zhang Weili responds to the first fight.

02:39:26.000 You know, we have never seen her get KO'd like that.

02:39:29.000 No.

02:39:29.000 And KO'd by a head kick early in the first round.

02:39:32.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 And whether she's going to be tentative now and worried about getting hit again, or whether she's just going to be ferocious because she wants to get it back and she wants to get revenge.

02:39:42.000 And to see how Rose responds to it, because listen, if you don't take Zhang Weili out like that, you're in for a war. 1.00

02:39:48.000 That fight that she had with Ioana Yun-Jacek was one of the craziest fights I've ever seen.

02:39:53.000 The back-and-forth war between Zhang Weili and Ioana Yun-Jacek was an all-time classic.

02:39:59.000 All-time classic.

02:40:01.000 Ioana's head was a mess.

02:40:02.000 Her forehead.

02:40:03.000 Oh my god, it was giant.

02:40:04.000 She had a football stuffed under her skin.

02:40:06.000 It was crazy.

02:40:07.000 Yeah.

02:40:08.000 Yeah, there's nothing like that sport.

02:40:11.000 No.

02:40:12.000 Nothing like it.

02:40:13.000 No.

02:40:13.000 It makes other things seem less entertaining, and they're less intense.

02:40:19.000 Yeah.

02:40:20.000 You know?

02:40:20.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:40:21.000 But Poe Hunting's better.

02:40:23.000 Poe Hunting's better.

02:40:27.000 Well, nothing's dying usually in fighting.

02:40:29.000 Hopefully not.

02:40:30.000 Knock on what?

02:40:31.000 Don't say that, Cam. 1.00

02:40:32.000 Shit. 1.00

02:40:32.000 Yeah, no. 1.00

02:40:33.000 Big card like that, Madison Square Garden, they'll fuck it up for everybody.

02:40:36.000 Nah, that'd be terrible. 0.98

02:40:37.000 God.

02:40:37.000 That would be terrible.

02:40:38.000 What is this?

02:40:39.000 What is Kobe doing?

02:40:40.000 First of all, what's he wearing?

02:40:40.000 It's the overall media thing.

02:40:42.000 What's Colby wearing?

02:40:43.000 Is this today?

02:40:43.000 Look at the both of them.

02:40:44.000 They're both wearing amazing shit. 1.00

02:40:46.000 Look at... 1.00

02:40:46.000 What does Colby have? 1.00

02:40:48.000 Look at what he's got on it.

02:40:48.000 Look at what Colby's wearing.

02:40:49.000 I think it says no virgins on it, maybe, but...

02:40:51.000 It says something, the king.

02:40:53.000 Oh, is that bang energy?

02:40:56.000 Did bang pay for that?

02:40:57.000 Oh, bang might have paid for that. 0.97

02:40:58.000 Rewind that all the way to the beginning.

02:41:00.000 Give me some volume and let me hear what they're saying.

02:41:07.000 Oh, Kamara pushed him.

02:41:10.000 Interesting.

02:41:12.000 Interesting.

02:41:14.000 Interesting.

02:41:15.000 I love that suit.

02:41:17.000 Look at his suit.

02:41:18.000 Leopard skin suit?

02:41:19.000 Come on.

02:41:20.000 I think Kamara's worried.

02:41:25.000 Oh, he's pointing to his chin when he broke his jaw.

02:41:28.000 Yeah.

02:41:36.000 Is that a Bang Energy drink suit?

02:41:38.000 Is that really what that is?

02:41:39.000 I don't know.

02:41:40.000 I feel sad if it is.

02:41:43.000 It says virgins on it.

02:41:44.000 I think it says no virgins on the arm here. 0.97

02:41:46.000 Well, that's pretty silly as well. 0.97

02:41:50.000 It's very Miami. 0.92

02:41:51.000 Yeah.

02:41:52.000 Oh, so is he the king of Miami?

02:41:54.000 Is that what he's saying?

02:41:56.000 I think Chaos, right?

02:41:58.000 Yeah.

02:41:59.000 It's a very odd choice.

02:42:01.000 But, you know...

02:42:02.000 Hey, you gotta make your mark somehow, right?

02:42:04.000 Yeah, you gotta make your mark.

02:42:05.000 This is a wild fight.

02:42:06.000 I'm really curious to see what adjustments both guys make and whether or not Colby can figure out something different this time.

02:42:14.000 You know, because that was a very close fight.

02:42:16.000 I think going into the fifth round, if I remember correctly, it might have been two apiece.

02:42:22.000 No, it was 3-1, 3-1, opposite ways, and 2-2.

02:42:28.000 Oh.

02:42:29.000 So 3-1, 3-1, opposite ways.

02:42:32.000 So one person at Colby ahead, one person at Camaro ahead, and then one person at even.

02:42:38.000 So that's as close as it gets.

02:42:40.000 It says chaos, Miami, Colby coming.

02:42:45.000 That's a terrible suit.

02:42:47.000 Oh, he's got the 5-4-1 at the bottom, though.

02:42:50.000 That's Oregon.

02:42:51.000 It says greetings, nerds and virgins.

02:42:53.000 Yeah, I like it.

02:42:54.000 Look at his chain. 1.00

02:42:56.000 Shit. 1.00

02:42:57.000 That's so ridiculous. 1.00

02:42:58.000 I'd wear that to the fight. 0.98

02:43:00.000 It's smart that people are talking about it. 0.99

02:43:04.000 The thing about him is you can get caught up in the hype and think that he's a joker and it's a lot of show business, but that motherfucker can fight. 0.99

02:43:13.000 He can fight, and his gas tank is second to none. 0.97

02:43:17.000 The only person that's right there with him is Kamaru.

02:43:20.000 I think those two guys go down as all-time greats.

02:43:23.000 And I think if it wasn't for Kamaru, if Kamaru didn't exist, Kobe would 100% be the UFC welterweight champion.

02:43:31.000 100%.

02:43:33.000 Yeah, he puts a lot on, and I could see his point about the momentum getting stopped when he kicked and they called it, Kamaru acted like a nut shot. 0.64

02:43:45.000 He's saying it was liver.

02:43:46.000 Let's see what that, I'm trying to remember that.

02:43:49.000 I'm trying to remember where it landed.

02:43:52.000 Colby's saying that that stopped his momentum, and he goes, you know how fighting is momentum, and he landed some shots, landed that big shot, and then it was stopped.

02:44:01.000 So Kamaru got a 33 second break.

02:44:03.000 Let me see what that looks like.

02:44:05.000 Let me see if we can find that because I'm trying to remember.

02:44:08.000 I literally don't remember where it actually landed.

02:44:11.000 It was right on the belt line.

02:44:13.000 I think you'll see.

02:44:16.000 But Kamaru acted like it was low so they gave him a break.

02:44:21.000 The belt line's odd, right?

02:44:23.000 Because there's parts of the belt line where you can go below, right?

02:44:26.000 You can kick the legs on the inside.

02:44:29.000 Like, you can kick the leg right here inside. 0.85

02:44:34.000 Yeah, right. 0.91

02:44:34.000 And that's no problem. 0.91

02:44:35.000 Yeah.

02:44:36.000 Right?

02:44:36.000 And you could also kick right here, and that's no problem.

02:44:39.000 Let's see this.

02:44:40.000 I think it's right here.

02:44:41.000 Is it third or the second round?

02:44:43.000 What round was it?

02:44:43.000 It was a finger poke, too.

02:44:44.000 That was an issue.

02:44:45.000 Yeah.

02:44:45.000 No, he said he hit him in the left eye, and then he actually got poked in the right eye.

02:44:51.000 Hmm, I don't know about that.

02:44:53.000 We just gotta see when Camaro gets time away.

02:45:00.000 Right there.

02:45:01.000 Oh, let me see that, let me see that, let me see that.

02:45:03.000 Let me see that again.

02:45:06.000 Hmm, I don't know about that.

02:45:08.000 That was liver. 0.89

02:45:09.000 No, no, no, that's not liver.

02:45:11.000 Liver's up here.

02:45:13.000 Liver's way high.

02:45:14.000 There's definitely not liver.

02:45:15.000 There's not a chance in hell that's liver. 0.99

02:45:19.000 It's not a nut shot, though.

02:45:21.000 No.

02:45:22.000 It's on the belt line.

02:45:23.000 It's not a nut shot.

02:45:28.000 It's not a nut shot.

02:45:30.000 It's a belt shot.

02:45:32.000 See, it's not liver.

02:45:34.000 Liver is right here.

02:45:36.000 Okay.

02:45:36.000 Liver is like...

02:45:37.000 Well, it got a reaction out of him for some reason.

02:45:40.000 Yeah.

02:45:41.000 Well, he might have been thinking it was low enough for him to take a break, but it did hit a little bit.

02:45:50.000 It definitely hit where it's not supposed to, okay?

02:45:53.000 It's supposed to hit above the belt line.

02:45:55.000 So we'll watch it right here.

02:45:57.000 I'm trying to go slower so you can see, but...

02:45:59.000 Watch it right here.

02:46:02.000 Yeah.

02:46:03.000 Did his shin hit the chest area?

02:46:08.000 The shin is elevated, the knee is up, and the foot is down.

02:46:11.000 So the lowest point of impact is the toes, which are hitting above the nuts.

02:46:17.000 Mm-hmm.

02:46:18.000 Everything's above the nuts.

02:46:19.000 I think it hurt.

02:46:20.000 I mean, he needed a...

02:46:21.000 I don't know.

02:46:22.000 Well, listen.

02:46:23.000 Clearly, everything's above the nuts.

02:46:26.000 All of it. 1.00

02:46:27.000 I mean, maybe he's got a giant dick. 1.00

02:46:28.000 He probably does. 1.00

02:46:29.000 Maybe his dick got compressed. 1.00

02:46:31.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:46:32.000 But it looks there, to me, like it's a low blow, for sure.

02:46:37.000 It's definitely below the belt, which you're not supposed to hit.

02:46:41.000 But it's not on the nuts.

02:46:44.000 The nuts are below that.

02:46:46.000 Yeah.

02:46:47.000 But it might, there's a possibility that the toe hit the cup right where the nuts are.

02:46:53.000 He also started fighting, but the video doesn't stop.

02:46:55.000 I guess in 30 seconds later, he said he's fine.

02:46:58.000 So there's a 30 second break.

02:47:00.000 Right.

02:47:00.000 He sat down though.

02:47:01.000 Yeah.

02:47:02.000 He went over and sat down.

02:47:03.000 Let's watch this again.

02:47:04.000 Watch what happens.

02:47:05.000 Let's watch what happens when he kicks him. 0.98

02:47:07.000 Oh, they played a slow-mo too.

02:47:10.000 Give me some volume on that so I can hear what I have to say.

02:47:12.000 Stay down.

02:47:13.000 Stay down.

02:47:17.000 See, the referee stopped it.

02:47:22.000 I forget what I said when we took a look at it.

02:47:33.000 Hold on a second.

02:47:44.000 Yeah, I said then what I said now that it does not seem like it hit the cup.

02:47:48.000 It seems like it hit the belt line.

02:47:50.000 There's me.

02:47:51.000 Yeah.

02:47:51.000 Oh, look at Cam Haynes.

02:47:52.000 So they did give him a little bit of a break there, and Colby's got a real argument there.

02:47:57.000 Yeah, and so he thought he had the momentum there because he was hurt.

02:48:01.000 I mean, it's possible that it shoved the cup into...

02:48:10.000 Yeah, you know, there's an argument that if it wasn't stopped right there for that moment, if the referee said keep fighting, that Colby might have gained an advantage.

02:48:22.000 Especially when they're looking at two rounds, two rounds.

02:48:26.000 But here's the thing.

02:48:27.000 The definitive moment was in the final round when Kamaru put him away.

02:48:31.000 Kamaru slammed that right hand into his chin, dropped him, and also that Colby went into the round saying that he had a broken jaw.

02:48:39.000 Incredible that he fought a full round.

02:48:41.000 I think he said during the third round that his jaw was broken, if I remember.

02:48:46.000 It happened at the end of the third. 0.99

02:48:48.000 So, you gotta remember, the guy fought the fourth, and he fought the fifth with a fucking broken jaw, if that's true. 0.81

02:48:55.000 But then I saw him a recent video where he was being interviewed by Brett Okamoto, and he said it wasn't broken. 0.91

02:49:03.000 No, it turns out it wasn't broken.

02:49:05.000 Oh, really?

02:49:06.000 Yeah.

02:49:06.000 So he thought it was broken.

02:49:07.000 Yeah, he thought it was, but it wasn't.

02:49:09.000 Interesting.

02:49:10.000 So when the Nevada State Athletic Commission does that suspension thing, what's that based off of?

02:49:15.000 Did they suspend him for a broken jaw?

02:49:17.000 Upon further examination, generally.

02:49:19.000 Like a slight fracture, I think is what it said, or hairline fracture or something like that.

02:49:22.000 I don't know.

02:49:23.000 I mean, they would have to, like, look at that, boom, right hand.

02:49:26.000 So this is the most important part of the fight, because there's a war of attrition, and right now Kamaru has hurt him real bad, and Colby's just turtled up, and Kamaru stops him, and he drops him twice and then stops him.

02:49:39.000 And I know Colby's protesting, but...

02:49:42.000 You know, it's hard to say when a person should stop a fight.

02:49:46.000 But would you say, what if he could have piled on more damage when it stopped with the low blow?

02:49:51.000 Never know.

02:49:52.000 And what about the eye poke?

02:49:54.000 Yeah, I don't know about the eye poke.

02:49:56.000 Do we have that one, Jamie?

02:50:00.000 It was in the third, I think.

02:50:01.000 In the third, yeah.

02:50:02.000 He landed a couple big shots, and then it was right after the big...

02:50:06.000 Oh, you just had it.

02:50:06.000 Yeah, right there.

02:50:07.000 Oh, let's see.

02:50:07.000 Right before that.

02:50:08.000 So watch these shots.

02:50:11.000 Oh, wait.

02:50:12.000 Hmm.

02:50:12.000 I'll go a little further back.

02:50:14.000 Wait a minute.

02:50:14.000 Let me see that again.

02:50:17.000 Oh, head kick.

02:50:18.000 Oh, left.

02:50:20.000 Punch.

02:50:20.000 See, right there.

02:50:22.000 See, so easy.

02:50:22.000 Yeah, yep.

02:50:23.000 Wrong eye.

02:50:25.000 I don't think that was a poke.

02:50:26.000 No.

02:50:27.000 Let me see that again.

02:50:28.000 Let me see that again. 0.62

02:50:34.000 Head kick.

02:50:35.000 Punch.

02:50:38.000 He pawed at him, maybe?

02:50:39.000 No, I don't think so.

02:50:40.000 I don't think that was a...

02:50:41.000 See, so Colby had a problem with that one, too.

02:50:43.000 I think he has a real good point there with that one.

02:50:46.000 Well, I'd like to see that in slow motion.

02:50:47.000 Let it play.

02:50:48.000 Let it play, because I'm sure we show the replay.

02:50:51.000 I'm sure we show the replay.

02:50:52.000 Give me some volume on this so I can hear what I'm saying.

02:50:55.000 So watch this.

02:50:56.000 Let's take a look at it.

02:50:58.000 Oh, no, that went in the eye.

02:51:00.000 That went in the eye 100%, but it went in the other eye.

02:51:03.000 It went in the left eye.

02:51:05.000 That's the one I think he...

02:51:06.000 Play it, play it.

02:51:06.000 Play it real quick.

02:51:09.000 Well, I don't know.

02:51:10.000 That one looked like it went in the right eye.

02:51:14.000 Let me see that again.

02:51:15.000 Let me see that again.

02:51:19.000 See that?

02:51:21.000 That went in the left eye.

02:51:25.000 He's holding the left, but then they're looking at the right.

02:51:30.000 I think a finger went in the right eye, too.

02:51:35.000 Kyle flinches at both, but from that angle, it's his pinky finger, so there's not another finger to go into his eye.

02:51:42.000 Right.

02:51:43.000 It happened very fast, though.

02:51:45.000 It's so hard to tell.

02:51:47.000 But, you know, if you're Colby and you're looking for instances, these are two of them.

02:51:52.000 You could be like, see? 0.99

02:51:53.000 Yeah, but that one looks legit as fuck. 0.99

02:51:56.000 That looks like the pinky's going right into his left eye. 0.99

02:51:58.000 But what Colby says is it's left, and then they're looking at his right.

02:52:01.000 Colby, no question about that is where you are, please.

02:52:03.000 Let me see this again.

02:52:05.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:52:06.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

02:52:10.000 Yeah, it looked like it went in the left eye.

02:52:12.000 Maybe they're examining the right eye as well.

02:52:16.000 Yeah.

02:52:21.000 Play it out again.

02:52:22.000 Play it out again.

02:52:27.000 No question about that one.

02:52:31.000 Oh, see that one there, it looks like the pinky went in his right eye, too.

02:52:35.000 It looked like fingers went in his left eye, but then the pinky went in his right eye. 0.99

02:52:39.000 That sucks, man.

02:52:40.000 I really wish there was a way to make the gloves where the fingers, where you can grapple, but the fingers weren't separated like that. 0.97

02:52:48.000 What Colby's saying is both those instances, he landed big shots.

02:52:53.000 Well...

02:52:55.000 Yeah, let's see what happens.

02:52:56.000 Let's see what happens in two days.

02:52:57.000 And he's saying if it wouldn't have been for those two momentum stops, then the fifth would have been different.

02:53:03.000 Could be, or not. 0.99

02:53:05.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

02:53:06.000 All you have to look at is how it actually played out. 0.99

02:53:10.000 And the way it played out, Kamaru stopped him.

02:53:12.000 He dropped him, he hurt him.

02:53:14.000 That was the biggest moment of the fight, was the fifth round.

02:53:18.000 But the real argument to me is not the eye poke.

02:53:22.000 The eye poke is, that one definitely went in that left eye. 0.93

02:53:24.000 Whether or not it went in the right eye or not, I don't know.

02:53:27.000 But the real moment is that kick.

02:53:30.000 The kick is not on the cup. 0.90

02:53:32.000 It's really right here, which is not fun to get kicked right there, but it's not the same as getting kicked in the nuts.

02:53:39.000 And it seemed like, especially because the way he's kicking, the knee is up high.

02:53:44.000 So he's throwing this kick, right?

02:53:46.000 As he's throwing the kick, the knee is up high, and the foot is down low.

02:53:51.000 It didn't really hit the nuts.

02:53:54.000 That's a good argument for him.

02:53:55.000 But it is low.

02:53:57.000 So maybe he took advantage of the fact that the kick was low.

02:54:00.000 And he said, let me just take a little time off because I can.

02:54:03.000 Because he kicked me low.

02:54:05.000 Yeah.

02:54:06.000 But it wasn't a liver shot.

02:54:07.000 Right.

02:54:08.000 Well...

02:54:10.000 When you see a guy get hit with a left hook to the liver, it's right here.

02:54:14.000 It's like in the ribs.

02:54:16.000 And when you get hit there, it's the craziest feeling.

02:54:19.000 When you get hit there with a good liver shot, everything just shuts down.

02:54:24.000 So that wasn't a liver shot, but it was not a cup shot either.

02:54:30.000 Well, yeah. 0.98

02:54:32.000 It's a fucking awesome fight. 0.98

02:54:33.000 That's what I'm psyched about. 0.99

02:54:35.000 They're both in their prime.

02:54:37.000 It's a little interesting with Kamaru being aggressive there.

02:54:41.000 Because it seems like, I don't know if I'm wrong on this, but it seems like the people who are aggressive, usually it's doubt.

02:54:54.000 Well, I think for sure he wants Kobe to be emotional.

02:54:59.000 So it may not be doubt.

02:55:00.000 It might be strategy.

02:55:01.000 It might be just like he might hate him.

02:55:05.000 He might just almost not be able to stop himself.

02:55:09.000 I always think of Khabib, Conor.

02:55:11.000 Khabib was always reserve, in control, never emotional.

02:55:16.000 Conor was lashing out.

02:55:19.000 This is an amazing fight because both guys are really in their prime.

02:55:24.000 They're both juggernauts. 0.97

02:55:26.000 I don't see anybody that can fuck with them in that division right now. 0.99

02:55:33.000 Kamzat Shemaev. 0.99

02:55:35.000 Kamzat? 0.90

02:55:36.000 Kamzat. 0.71

02:55:37.000 Kamsat. 0.58

02:55:38.000 Colby called him Kamsat.

02:55:39.000 Well, that's rude.

02:55:40.000 That's rude.

02:55:42.000 That guy's really interesting.

02:55:44.000 Yeah.

02:55:45.000 Really interesting.

02:55:45.000 But he's got to face stiffer competition.

02:55:47.000 You know Colby's nicknames.

02:55:49.000 Yes.

02:55:50.000 Somebody asked him about Kamsat today, and he said- Called him Kamsat?

02:55:55.000 How dare that?

02:55:57.000 That guy seems scary, though. 1.00

02:55:58.000 He's scary as fuck. 0.99

02:55:59.000 Talking to Dana, picking up. 1.00

02:56:02.000 Yeah.

02:56:02.000 Talking to him.

02:56:03.000 What?

02:56:03.000 Yeah.

02:56:04.000 Talking to him. 1.00

02:56:05.000 I come to kill everyone! 1.00

02:56:06.000 I killed them all! 1.00

02:56:08.000 Insane. 1.00

02:56:08.000 Yeah, he's a wild motherfucker. 1.00

02:56:10.000 He's so good, too. 1.00

02:56:11.000 He's good at everything.

02:56:12.000 Yeah.

02:56:12.000 We'll see when the competition ramps up.

02:56:15.000 Exactly.

02:56:15.000 Yeah.

02:56:16.000 Exactly.

02:56:17.000 Like, Li Jingliang is a tough guy.

02:56:19.000 Yeah.

02:56:20.000 But he's not at that level.

02:56:21.000 So, and Gerald Mearshart, tough guy, not at that level.

02:56:25.000 So, we're going to get the chance to see him.

02:56:27.000 I want to see him against a guy like a Leon Edwards.

02:56:30.000 Yeah.

02:56:30.000 That's what I'd like to see.

02:56:31.000 Oh, legit.

02:56:31.000 Yeah, and Neil Magny has asked for that fight, which is also an interesting fight.

02:56:35.000 That would be interesting as well.

02:56:37.000 I want to see him against a top-flight guy.

02:56:40.000 Neil Magny will show you what you are.

02:56:42.000 I don't want to see him fight Nate Diaz.

02:56:46.000 Sigh.

02:56:47.000 I don't really want that.

02:56:48.000 The only reason why I would be interested in seeing that is because like...

02:56:53.000 Nate Diaz will find out if you're for real.

02:56:56.000 Yeah. 0.65

02:56:56.000 Nate Diaz, like with Leon, like Nate Diaz losing that fight until the fifth round and then cracking Leon and having Leon in real fucking serious trouble. 0.65

02:57:08.000 And I guess, could you see Nate choking Kamzat out? 1.00

02:57:12.000 Who the fuck knows, man? 1.00

02:57:13.000 Nate is a beast. 1.00

02:57:14.000 Yeah, he is. 1.00

02:57:15.000 He is such a fucking warrior. 0.99

02:57:16.000 I'm more of a Nate fan. 0.99

02:57:17.000 I would hate to see, I don't know, I just want to see him win.

02:57:21.000 I like when he wins.

02:57:22.000 What I like is Nate getting paid.

02:57:24.000 You know, if Nate gets paid big for that fight, if they set up a main event somewhere, Hamzat and Nate for a title elimination fight, I think if every fight went 100 rounds, Nate would never lose.

02:57:39.000 I like how he talks about in the street you wouldn't be...

02:57:43.000 He still talks about streets.

02:57:45.000 He'll still fight you in the streets.

02:57:47.000 That's awesome.

02:57:48.000 I love that.

02:57:48.000 The only guy who's legitimately beaten Nate is Josh Thompson.

02:57:51.000 Josh Thompson legitimately stopped Nate.

02:57:53.000 I mean, obviously, so did Jorge Masvidal.

02:57:56.000 Other people have beaten him, don't get me wrong.

02:57:58.000 But I mean, like, shut it off.

02:58:00.000 And that was Josh. 0.54

02:58:02.000 Josh shot him off. 0.90

02:58:03.000 Josh head kicked him.

02:58:05.000 Josh Thompson in his prime was one of the most spectacular fighters on the planet.

02:58:09.000 Completely well balanced.

02:58:11.000 He had great wrestling, great submission, became a world champion.

02:58:15.000 He's a legit top of the food chain fighter.

02:58:18.000 And he's the only guy that ever stopped Nate Diaz.

02:58:23.000 Pull that up.

02:58:26.000 Crazy fight.

02:58:27.000 And, you know, Nate was in his prime, and so was Josh.

02:58:31.000 But Josh, you know, a lot of people, I mean, he's got a great podcast he does, too, with Big John McCarthy.

02:58:37.000 They have a great take on things. 0.91

02:58:41.000 Josh went through some fucking wars with Gilbert Melendez and Strikeforce. 0.99

02:58:45.000 I mean, boom! 0.99

02:58:47.000 Right there.

02:58:49.000 Nobody's beaten Nate like this.

02:58:51.000 That was the best beating that anybody ever put on Nate.

02:58:58.000 Yeah.

02:58:59.000 And Mike Beltran stopped it.

02:59:01.000 That's Josh.

02:59:02.000 Yeah, that was definitive.

02:59:04.000 Yeah.

02:59:05.000 Yeah.

02:59:06.000 That's probably, you know, the finest performance that anybody's had against Nate.

02:59:11.000 You know, obviously, Conor beat him by decision.

02:59:13.000 Other guys have beaten him.

02:59:15.000 You know, Rafael Dos Anjos.

02:59:17.000 There's other guys have beaten him, but no one's beaten him like that.

02:59:20.000 Yeah, no, I haven't seen that before.

02:59:21.000 That's, you know, that's the argument about Nate Diaz.

02:59:23.000 But even Nate Diaz, he wasn't out there.

02:59:25.000 He was still conscious.

02:59:27.000 I mean, if that fight kept going, he might have recovered.

02:59:29.000 Yeah.

02:59:30.000 Look at this, though.

02:59:31.000 Boom! 0.99

02:59:32.000 I mean, it doesn't hit much cleaner than that.

02:59:34.000 Yeah.

02:59:36.000 Yeah.

02:59:37.000 It's a crazy sport, man. 0.99

02:59:39.000 And this weekend is wild as fuck. 0.99

02:59:41.000 That Gaethje-Chandler fight. 0.99

02:59:45.000 That is going to be bombs away.

02:59:49.000 Yeah.

02:59:49.000 There is not a doubt in my mind.

02:59:51.000 And I've said this before and I've been wrong, so I'm sorry.

02:59:55.000 That's what I thought when Francis Ngannou fought Derek Lewis.

02:59:58.000 I'm like, there's not a doubt in my mind.

03:00:00.000 And that was a terrible fight.

03:00:02.000 That was a terrible fight.

03:00:03.000 Yeah.

03:00:03.000 I don't think this is going to be that.

03:00:04.000 I don't think Gagey is capable of having a boring fight.

03:00:08.000 And I don't think Chandler is capable of having a boring fight.

03:00:11.000 No.

03:00:12.000 You know, we saw that Francis and Derek, they played cautious because they were both worried about each other's power.

03:00:19.000 With good reason. 0.99

03:00:20.000 Both guys can knock you into another fucking dimension with one shot. 1.00

03:00:24.000 But so can these guys. 0.99

03:00:25.000 But I think Gagey fights with such reckless abandon and so intelligent the way he does that.

03:00:32.000 In the early days, he used to wade into the fire and take shots to give shots, but he doesn't do that anymore.

03:00:37.000 Now he sets things up more intelligently. 0.99

03:00:40.000 He's got some of the best fucking leg kicks in the business. 0.99

03:00:44.000 And he chops at your leg from the clinch. 0.99

03:00:47.000 And then Chandler also has a great wrestling pedigree.

03:00:50.000 Chandler's an excellent wrestler.

03:00:52.000 Legitimate one-punch knockout power.

03:00:55.000 Tremendous experience, both in Bellator and in the UFC. And I'm interested to see how he deals with the kind of pressure that Gaethje puts on you.

03:01:05.000 Chandler trains so hard.

03:01:06.000 Like a beast.

03:01:07.000 Like a monster.

03:01:08.000 And you've trained with him, right?

03:01:10.000 Yeah.

03:01:10.000 We trained with him in San Diego?

03:01:12.000 Yeah, but I mean, that was a hard day.

03:01:17.000 We went really hard, but I watch him and he looks as in good a shape now as he's ever looked.

03:01:24.000 I think he's ramped it up even more.

03:01:27.000 Well, you know, when a guy has a spectacular UFC debut and knocks out a guy like Dan Hooker and then loses a shot at the interim belt, which is like a big opportunity.

03:01:39.000 So close to winning, too.

03:01:40.000 So close to winning the first round.

03:01:41.000 Almost had him.

03:01:42.000 Almost champion.

03:01:43.000 Almost had him.

03:01:44.000 But then that just shows you how good Oliveira is.

03:01:47.000 Yeah.

03:01:47.000 Oliveira comes back with a beautiful left hook.

03:01:50.000 Yeah, he did.

03:01:50.000 My God.

03:01:50.000 What a perfect punch.

03:01:52.000 And there's a difference between someone who throws things short and technically, where everything's like hands up high, everything is perfectly placed. 1.00

03:02:02.000 Chandler is, you know, a wild fucking bull of a man. 0.98

03:02:06.000 And he just left himself a little open in that wild, reckless attack. 1.00

03:02:10.000 After giving up his neck.

03:02:12.000 Yep.

03:02:12.000 Oh, I can't believe he got out of that.

03:02:14.000 Crazy. 0.73

03:02:15.000 Crazy. 1.00

03:02:15.000 I think we're going to see some wild shit. 1.00

03:02:18.000 And I don't know what's going to happen. 0.99

03:02:20.000 Gagey and Chandler together is chaos.

03:02:23.000 Fireworks.

03:02:24.000 And that's going to start off the pay-per-view.

03:02:27.000 Can't wait.

03:02:28.000 My goodness.

03:02:29.000 Can't wait.

03:02:29.000 My goodness.

03:02:30.000 All right.

03:02:31.000 Can, let's get something to eat.

03:02:32.000 Let's do it. 0.94

03:02:32.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.94

03:02:33.000 Starving. 0.82

03:02:33.000 Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen of the world. 0.82

03:02:35.000 We'll see you soon.

03:02:37.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 05, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1730 - Cameron Hanes

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