The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1746 - Blaire White

00:00:12.000 So this dude right here is Travis Walton, and he is one of the most famous UFO abduction, I don't know if you want to say victim, guys with a story, and he gave me a bobblehead.

00:00:25.000 You ever see that movie, what was the movie called?

00:00:27.000 Fire in the Sky.

00:00:28.000 Fire in the Sky.

00:00:29.000 Yes.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, that's about him.

00:00:31.000 Oh, it's about him.

00:00:32.000 Yes.

00:00:33.000 In the 1970s, he was a logger in Arizona.

00:00:37.000 And they saw this light in the sky.

00:00:39.000 It came down.

00:00:40.000 They went to see what it was.

00:00:41.000 It was his craft. 0.81

00:00:42.000 And he was a young, you know, according to him, just kind of a knucklehead.

00:00:47.000 And he got a little close to it.

00:00:48.000 That's the movie.

00:00:49.000 And he got close to it, and when he got close to it, supposedly, according to him, some burst of energy came from the thing and knocked him back and knocked him unconscious.

00:00:59.000 All his friends took off.

00:01:00.000 They panicked, including one guy who hated him, one guy who actually got into a fistfight.

00:01:05.000 With him that day.

00:01:07.000 So it's not like these are his friends that he had this coordinated story with.

00:01:12.000 They took off.

00:01:14.000 They were freaking out.

00:01:15.000 And then they came to their senses like, we got to go back.

00:01:17.000 We can't leave him there.

00:01:18.000 They went back.

00:01:18.000 He was gone.

00:01:20.000 And he was gone for five days.

00:01:22.000 I believe it was five days. 0.97

00:01:23.000 I've always been fascinated with UFO shit, but I feel like so many people lie and it makes it so hard. 0.98

00:01:28.000 I literally lied about it when I was a kid. 0.98

00:01:30.000 I remember being in the car and I was probably eight or nine and I was like, I should just tell people I saw a UFO. So I said to my mom, I saw a UFO as we're driving.

00:01:37.000 And then that was my story for years until I was like 13. Yeah, it gets you extra attention.

00:01:42.000 That's the problem with fantastical tales, whether it's ghosts or psychics or any of that stuff.

00:01:48.000 I was going to say psychics.

00:01:49.000 Same with psychics.

00:01:49.000 It makes you special.

00:01:50.000 It makes you a guru. 0.99

00:01:51.000 I have a buddy of mine who fucking full-on believes in psychics. 0.98

00:01:55.000 He's like, bro, the psychic knew all about my grandmother. 0.98

00:01:57.000 I go, don't you know about your grandmother?

00:01:59.000 I go, you know about your grandmother, right? 1.00

00:02:01.000 I go, so what the fuck? 1.00

00:02:03.000 Tell this person to tell you some shit you don't know. 1.00

00:02:05.000 Right. 1.00

00:02:05.000 So that's my mom. 1.00

00:02:07.000 So my mom, as long as I've been alive, has been super into mediums, psychics, had them around. 0.99

00:02:14.000 And I've always just felt like that shit was bullshit because they would tell her things that I just knew weren't true. 0.98

00:02:19.000 So when my dad died, she sought out this medium who claimed to connect with him. 0.99

00:02:23.000 And the medium wrote her a letter that was things from my dad that he was saying to her from beyond, right?

00:02:28.000 Like what kind of stuff?

00:02:29.000 That's the thing.

00:02:30.000 It was nothing he would have ever said.

00:02:31.000 It was like...

00:02:32.000 I don't remember. 1.00

00:02:33.000 It was just some fluffy bullshit. 1.00

00:02:34.000 My dad was not a fluffy person. 1.00

00:02:36.000 And it was like, this bitch is lying to you, but it's disrespectful. 1.00

00:02:39.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:02:40.000 Maybe he got fluffy once he died.

00:02:41.000 I mean, maybe.

00:02:42.000 Released from all of his spiritual boundaries.

00:02:44.000 The things that are tying him down.

00:02:46.000 All the human body problems.

00:02:49.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:02:49.000 I guess he became a sissy after he died or something. 0.99

00:02:51.000 A sissy. 1.00

00:02:52.000 And then I became a sissy after he died. 0.99

00:02:55.000 Do you think that one of these things...

00:02:59.000 This is Travis Walton's aliens.

00:03:01.000 Do you think that this...

00:03:02.000 This is the thing, the problem that I have with these little aliens is that they make sense.

00:03:06.000 It's like this is what we're going to look like one day.

00:03:10.000 You actually see humanity slowly morphing into this.

00:03:13.000 Everyone's becoming a little more feminized.

00:03:15.000 Everyone's becoming a little smaller.

00:03:16.000 Yeah, and I think our heads are getting bigger.

00:03:18.000 They definitely are from the time when we were lower primates.

00:03:21.000 And I think that if they can figure out a way to replace...

00:03:26.000 Breeding, right?

00:03:28.000 Like, part of the problem that people have is the instinct to breed.

00:03:32.000 And, like, we have the same biological impulses that animals that can't talk have, right?

00:03:40.000 The idea is to protect your young, to make sure that you can pass on your genes, to defend your territory against intruders.

00:03:48.000 That's the same instincts that chimps have, but yet we have nuclear weapons and cell phones. 0.99

00:03:53.000 Yeah, when you look at, you know, little aliens like that, it's like you have this almost like inner feeling like, yeah, that makes sense.

00:04:01.000 And then you see ancient like archaeological drawings and art and it's like, why have they just kind of always been around?

00:04:06.000 I don't know.

00:04:07.000 Yeah, but that image has always been around.

00:04:09.000 Yeah, I believe in them more than I believe in psychics.

00:04:11.000 I'll say that.

00:04:12.000 I don't necessarily not believe in psychics, but I don't believe the ones that are getting paid that have a neon sign outside their house.

00:04:19.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:04:21.000 But that's what's even more unbelievable, is that people would believe it.

00:04:25.000 The crazy thing is, imagine if that was the best psychic.

00:04:30.000 There was actually just a person that had a house, and they didn't care if you believe them or not believe them.

00:04:34.000 That would be like a Stephen King movie, right?

00:04:37.000 You go in there and they really do know some things.

00:04:38.000 They touch your hand and they really can see your past and see your future and see where you're going.

00:04:42.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:04:43.000 I've always avoided that shit because I actually talked to a psychic on my YouTube channel and she told me I was going to get pregnant. 0.99

00:04:49.000 So it's not going to happen. 1.00

00:04:51.000 LOL. Right.

00:04:52.000 I was like, this bitch, get the fuck out of my house for the house call too. 1.00

00:04:56.000 But who knows? 1.00

00:04:56.000 Maybe in like fucking 20 years it might be a thing. 1.00

00:04:59.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:05:00.000 Even if it's a thing, I'm not opting for it because that baby's coming out fucked up. 1.00

00:05:03.000 That baby's coming out. 0.97

00:05:05.000 You say that now but with CRISPR and I think that there's gonna come a time where like if someone is trans that you are going to be able to opt for a procedure that will switch you. 0.99

00:05:18.000 Chromosomes.

00:05:19.000 Switch you to a double X or switch you to an XY. Whatever you want. 0.87

00:05:24.000 I think you're gonna be able to completely manipulate bodies.

00:05:28.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

00:05:28.000 That's definitely the trajectory we're on.

00:05:31.000 I just don't want to be maybe the first thousand people to do it.

00:05:33.000 No, you don't want to be the first million. 0.99

00:05:35.000 Because that baby's coming out with no arm or is trans themselves, which is also a fucking nightmare. 1.00

00:05:39.000 Or psychotic. 1.00

00:05:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:41.000 Imagine the baby comes out with no emotions at all.

00:05:42.000 Or just starts killing you from the inside. 0.75

00:05:45.000 Like a shark.

00:05:46.000 Do you know like sharks?

00:05:47.000 Sharks will eat their siblings inside the womb. 1.00

00:05:50.000 There's like, I don't know if it's true.

00:05:51.000 I've never even found out if this is true.

00:05:52.000 Well, I've heard it.

00:05:53.000 So if it's not true, people just say it.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, but I mean, what I meant was there's like an x-ray of sharks in the womb and they're all like, ah, mouth open, like a bunch of them swimming around together. 0.89

00:06:02.000 I'm like, I wonder if that's real or that's horseshit.

00:06:04.000 I never looked at it. 0.97

00:06:06.000 I don't know.

00:06:06.000 Jamie will find out.

00:06:07.000 I don't know.

00:06:08.000 Whenever I have questions, I don't even bother Googling them.

00:06:09.000 I just wait till I come to work.

00:06:11.000 Exactly.

00:06:11.000 And then I ask Jamie.

00:06:12.000 Exactly.

00:06:12.000 Seems accurate.

00:06:13.000 Does it really?

00:06:14.000 Yeah.

00:06:14.000 Is there an image of it that's real?

00:06:16.000 Oh, well.

00:06:17.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:06:18.000 Oh, you gotta get it on tape.

00:06:19.000 That's a different thing.

00:06:19.000 There was an x-ray image of like, looked like a womb filled with a bunch of sharks floating around in there.

00:06:25.000 Really?

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.000 I think that x-ray image was not real.

00:06:29.000 Well, do sharks, here's the question, do sharks lay eggs, like a regular fish?

00:06:34.000 Yes.

00:06:34.000 Or do they give birth to fish?

00:06:36.000 Eggs.

00:06:36.000 I'm pretty sure they lay eggs, yeah.

00:06:37.000 So then it's not possible that they eat each other in the womb, because they wouldn't be in the womb.

00:06:41.000 Oh yeah, in the womb, I'm sorry.

00:06:42.000 So yeah, that's why I thought that.

00:06:43.000 So this says hatched embryos will begin to eat surrounding eggs in some cases, like Sam tiger sharks.

00:06:49.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:06:50.000 But see, I find that so much more interesting than the conversation about aliens is like life underwater and how much we haven't discovered, how much life just exists here.

00:06:59.000 Like, I'm a lot more fascinated with this planet than I am like the universe in some senses.

00:07:03.000 I'm a lot more fascinated with the universe.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:05.000 But I'm pretty fascinated with this planet, too.

00:07:08.000 It's like, did you see that?

00:07:09.000 I put something on my Instagram a couple weeks ago, this thing called a telescope fish.

00:07:21.000 Wow.

00:07:22.000 Wow. 1.00

00:07:33.000 Smaller than you, swallows you. 0.99

00:07:35.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:07:36.000 Just walks up to you and just goes and opens his fucking crazy mouth and sucks your whole body into it. 1.00

00:07:42.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

00:07:44.000 That's nuts.

00:07:45.000 Look at this thing.

00:07:46.000 Well, I got a video of the shark eating his sibling in the womb.

00:07:49.000 Oh, well, give me that.

00:07:50.000 I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

00:07:52.000 I can't tell what's happening in the video.

00:07:55.000 Oh, that can't be real.

00:07:56.000 Right.

00:07:57.000 Well, I mean...

00:07:58.000 That's in the womb? 0.99

00:07:59.000 How's that in the womb? 1.00

00:08:00.000 That's what it says, but I don't know if that's what it is. 0.95

00:08:03.000 Goddammit, YouTube. 0.73

00:08:04.000 I thought those were the greys.

00:08:05.000 Looks like the greys. 1.00

00:08:06.000 Yeah, that looks like aliens.

00:08:07.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's real.

00:08:09.000 Right.

00:08:09.000 All right.

00:08:09.000 I'm going to look up Telescope Shark.

00:08:10.000 Hold on.

00:08:11.000 No, it's a telescope fish.

00:08:13.000 It's on my Instagram, but there's just a couple of pictures of it.

00:08:16.000 But if you just Google telescope fish, I think it's a fairly recent discovery.

00:08:21.000 Because that's one of the things they say.

00:08:23.000 They've only discovered like 10% of the ocean.

00:08:26.000 Yeah, a very small amount. 1.00

00:08:26.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

00:08:28.000 Look at the fact that that's real. 1.00

00:08:30.000 Wait, it's kind of cute though.

00:08:32.000 Look at that.

00:08:32.000 It looks cute.

00:08:33.000 Cute until it swallows you.

00:08:35.000 Right.

00:08:35.000 Oh my god.

00:08:36.000 Look at the mouth on that motherfucker. 1.00

00:08:37.000 So what happens to its body when it just kind of expands? 1.00

00:08:41.000 Yeah, it expands.

00:08:42.000 Well, this one on the left is an art picture.

00:08:45.000 Yeah.

00:08:45.000 But that's not.

00:08:46.000 This is from Smithsonian.

00:08:47.000 So that's a real photo.

00:08:47.000 Yeah, that's a real photo.

00:08:48.000 And that one in the middle is a real photo that you had highlighted earlier.

00:08:51.000 That's fake.

00:08:51.000 I think that's fake.

00:08:54.000 I don't think that's real.

00:08:54.000 That looks CGI almost.

00:08:56.000 Yeah, but I think that one up on top is real.

00:08:58.000 It's kind of cute.

00:08:59.000 In the middle?

00:09:00.000 Kind of looks like me in the morning a little bit.

00:09:02.000 Bah! 0.97

00:09:02.000 Look at that. 0.97

00:09:03.000 I mean, that looks like he's got binoculars.

00:09:05.000 That looks like a Guardians of the Galaxy, like, alien.

00:09:08.000 100%.

00:09:09.000 That doesn't look real.

00:09:10.000 Those things live on the bottom of the ocean. 0.99

00:09:13.000 That's why it's always so interesting thinking about underwater life because these are the aliens that already exist. 0.99

00:09:20.000 You look at a jellyfish, it's like, that's a fucking alien. 1.00

00:09:22.000 Yeah, octopus is a fucking alien. 1.00

00:09:24.000 You ever see when they change colors? 1.00

00:09:26.000 They're nuts. 0.96

00:09:27.000 They're not like anything else on this planet. 0.97

00:09:30.000 The cephalophods, they're like something from a science fiction movie.

00:09:35.000 They can literally stop on a reef and become the reef.

00:09:38.000 Right.

00:09:39.000 And then snatch sharks away.

00:09:40.000 They eat sharks.

00:09:41.000 You ever see that? 1.00

00:09:42.000 No, I've never seen an octopus eat a fucking shark. 0.99

00:09:44.000 Yeah, they were trying to find out. 0.99

00:09:45.000 There was an aquarium, and I forget where the aquarium was, but they were missing sharks. 0.98

00:09:50.000 Like, what the fuck's going on? 0.91

00:09:51.000 They were missing sharks. 0.99

00:09:52.000 And so they thought, like, someone was breaking into the aquarium and stealing sharks. 0.99

00:09:56.000 So they set up these cameras, and they found this octopus who's just, like, laying in wait, and then sharks would swim by, and they were like, bitch! 0.99

00:10:03.000 See, I didn't know they were even capable of that. 0.99

00:10:05.000 That's crazy.

00:10:05.000 They're crazier than that.

00:10:07.000 The female octopuses regularly eat the males. 0.98

00:10:11.000 So the female octopuses are matriarchal. 1.00

00:10:14.000 They're bigger than the males.

00:10:15.000 And one of the things that they do is occasionally they eat males, but not always.

00:10:20.000 So they observe this one octopus pair.

00:10:23.000 The male and the female, they mated 12 times.

00:10:27.000 And then when the male went in for the 13th time, the female's like, that's enough! 0.99

00:10:31.000 Wow. 0.99

00:10:31.000 And killed him and ate him. 0.99

00:10:33.000 And then stuffed him into a reef and ate him over the course of several days. 0.99

00:10:37.000 Ugh, feminism. 1.00

00:10:41.000 But it's a hard world out there.

00:10:44.000 I mean, when you're living in the ocean, there's no indoors.

00:10:47.000 See, that's the shark getting jacked by the octopus.

00:10:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:10:51.000 Yeah.

00:10:52.000 It's just wrapping around.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, Google it.

00:10:53.000 Sorry, rewind it.

00:10:55.000 It was sort of just swimming by it.

00:10:58.000 Yeah, but it shows them snatch it.

00:11:00.000 So the thing's swimming by.

00:11:01.000 Shark thinks he's the king of the sea.

00:11:03.000 And the octopus literally looks like a part of the reef until he swims by.

00:11:08.000 And watch this. 1.00

00:11:10.000 Bitch! 1.00

00:11:11.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:11:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:13.000 Have you seen the Nature is Metal Instagram account?

00:11:16.000 Yes.

00:11:17.000 Dude, half the time I'll just be scrolling, having a good day.

00:11:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:20.000 And it's like you're not supposed to attribute emotion to it because it's emotionless, but at the same time I'm like, oh my god, my day is fucked. 0.99

00:11:25.000 I just saw like a... 0.99

00:11:25.000 Because they're all getting ravaged by a whatever. 0.99

00:11:28.000 A crocodile.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:11:30.000 That's the craziest shit is when they know that some of them are going to get killed by crocodiles and they all have to make it across the river. 0.98

00:11:37.000 And you see the crocodile's heads just poking up and moving towards them. 0.99

00:11:41.000 And they're just running and hoping that they get out of there.

00:11:44.000 Oh, look at this one.

00:11:45.000 That's a jaguar with a crocodile in his mouth.

00:11:48.000 It's pretty.

00:11:49.000 Yeah, it's a tough world out there, kid.

00:11:51.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:52.000 I'm seeing more wildlife and nature shit than ever living here. 0.99

00:11:55.000 It's like everywhere you go, there's roadkill. 0.99

00:11:57.000 I was driving the other day.

00:11:58.000 We're in Austin.

00:11:58.000 I was driving the other day and there was just this two beautiful elk in the middle of the highway.

00:12:04.000 They're definitely not elk.

00:12:05.000 Okay, whatever they were.

00:12:06.000 Deer.

00:12:06.000 They were deer.

00:12:07.000 But they were just dead.

00:12:08.000 You could tell they were freshly hit.

00:12:09.000 I literally was like, oh my god.

00:12:11.000 But that's...

00:12:12.000 Well, this is the rut.

00:12:13.000 We're in the middle of the rut.

00:12:14.000 The rut is probably actually not the middle.

00:12:16.000 This is the end.

00:12:17.000 It's probably over.

00:12:18.000 Right around Thanksgiving is the rut.

00:12:20.000 And what the rut is is when they breed once a year.

00:12:23.000 It's one time a year they get some action, and then in the spring the babies are born. 0.99

00:12:27.000 So right now is when they get after it, and so they get really stupid. 0.98

00:12:30.000 See, it looked like a male and a female. 0.99

00:12:32.000 One was significantly larger.

00:12:33.000 And I was like, this happy couple just died.

00:12:35.000 Did they both have antlers or no?

00:12:37.000 One.

00:12:37.000 One did, yeah.

00:12:38.000 So it's probably that.

00:12:40.000 The male probably chased her out into the street because he's trying to get some. 1.00

00:12:45.000 She's like, leave me alone, bitch. 1.00

00:12:46.000 And she's just trying to get away. 1.00

00:12:47.000 And she gets hit by a truck.

00:12:48.000 And then he's like, and he gets hit too.

00:12:52.000 Yeah, but what's scary is like you can die hitting one of these things.

00:12:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:55.000 It can go straight through your windshield.

00:12:57.000 So I'm just ever since driving past that I'm very aware because I'm already a bad driver.

00:13:01.000 My buddy lives in Oregon and a man behind a man who hit a deer died.

00:13:06.000 So the guy in front hit a deer.

00:13:09.000 The deer went flying through the air.

00:13:11.000 The car behind it, the deer went through that windshield and killed the guy. 1.00

00:13:16.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:13:17.000 Yeah, fuck. 1.00

00:13:18.000 Because it was in the air. 1.00

00:13:20.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:13:20.000 So he's going 65 miles an hour and this fucking 150 pound mass of meat and bones and antlers just hits him in the face. 0.99

00:13:30.000 Just shattered his brain and snapped his neck. 0.99

00:13:33.000 This wild fish is real, by the way.

00:13:35.000 Oh, it's real.

00:13:35.000 Sarcastic fringe head.

00:13:37.000 What a weird name.

00:13:39.000 What's sarcastic about that? 0.99

00:13:41.000 I won't kill you. 1.00

00:13:42.000 Psych! 1.00

00:13:44.000 Look at that mouth. 1.00

00:13:46.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:13:46.000 That's cool. 1.00

00:13:47.000 It still looks like without the mouth open.

00:13:49.000 Yeah, the ocean is filled with, it's monster soup. 1.00

00:13:51.000 It's filled with fucking wild creatures. 0.99

00:13:54.000 But the thing that fascinates me about space is there's an infinite amount of planets out there that have an infinite amount of species. 0.98

00:14:01.000 That's like, it's not just what we have in our ocean, which is pretty fucking crazy and interesting, but an infinite number of those things out there and an infinite number of creatures that are terrestrial as well as underwater.

00:14:14.000 Where would you say it's probably the nearest?

00:14:16.000 Some people say Europa.

00:14:17.000 I've also heard the upper hemisphere of Venus is the closest to Earth-like conditions, which I don't know how that is.

00:14:24.000 Is that real?

00:14:24.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

00:14:26.000 What's the closest to Earth-like conditions?

00:14:28.000 Like the temperature.

00:14:30.000 Really?

00:14:30.000 Yeah.

00:14:31.000 They think Venus at one point in time wasn't that hot.

00:14:33.000 Because the surface is extremely hot.

00:14:35.000 Like they've sent down rovers.

00:14:36.000 They got melted within seconds.

00:14:38.000 It was being on.

00:14:39.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 I think at one point in time it wasn't though.

00:14:41.000 I think all of it has changed over time.

00:14:43.000 Like Mars at one point in time used to be hospitable.

00:14:46.000 Like to life.

00:14:47.000 They think that...

00:14:47.000 People think we came here from Mars.

00:14:48.000 There's a lot of people that think.

00:14:50.000 There's the Dogon tribe in Africa.

00:14:52.000 That their whole lore is about that we came from Mars.

00:14:57.000 And they just found, or there's like pictures, people are speculating, and there's like a cube object structure that they found on Mars.

00:15:03.000 No, that's on the moon.

00:15:04.000 Oh, the moon, okay.

00:15:06.000 China is actually investigating that right now.

00:15:08.000 They have a rover.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, they're beating us at everything.

00:15:10.000 Are you going to learn Mandarin, or are you just going to give in?

00:15:12.000 What are you going to do? 0.99

00:15:13.000 I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna resist as long as I fucking can. 0.97

00:15:16.000 I thought it was really interesting recently finding out what China's doing with the algorithms with TikTok. 0.99

00:15:20.000 So you have, like, you look at kids in America and their algorithm on TikTok they're scrolling and it's like someone with green hair telling them they're like a dummy boy and like learning about all the flags and then you go to China and it's like science experiments and like shit that makes you a better person. 0.99

00:15:35.000 Yeah. 0.67

00:15:36.000 Well, not only that, they won't allow children to be online using apps after like 10pm.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, there's a lockout.

00:15:43.000 Yeah, it's like from 10pm to 6am, there's a lockout.

00:15:46.000 And then what they're exposing their kids to is all like kids doing incredible things, science projects, great sports accomplishments.

00:15:56.000 They're showing positive role models.

00:16:00.000 Which that part I'm like...

00:16:02.000 Why not?

00:16:03.000 The lockout, I don't know.

00:16:06.000 They're very strong.

00:16:07.000 They have this national pride of China that's directed by the CCP that has its benefits and its negative. 0.73

00:16:15.000 The negative is that they're controlling what's acceptable and not acceptable. 0.52

00:16:20.000 And then any dissenters get locked up and killed.

00:16:23.000 That's not good. 0.95

00:16:24.000 Right, right. 0.99

00:16:25.000 But then you think about, I don't know, I'm just looking at what's happening to like Gen Z and kids in this country and so much of the shit they're being indoctrinated with. 0.97

00:16:33.000 And you look at them and it's like, well, they're not going to have that problem. 0.97

00:16:35.000 Maybe it's some other problems, but at least they'll have that problem.

00:16:38.000 What do you think is causing all of the issues that people in Gen Z or whatever you would say are having that maybe generations before them didn't have to deal with?

00:16:48.000 What do you think is the cause of this? 0.97

00:16:49.000 Well, I think one of the main differences between how I grew up, and I'm only 28, it's not like I was in school that long ago, but it seems as if there's a lot of, just based on what you see online, activists that become teachers, and they go into these classroom settings with the intention of teaching kids about LGBT shit, 1.00

00:17:05.000 about critical race theory.

00:17:08.000 It seems as if people specifically have gone into it to indoctrinate people, whereas I remember all my teachers, it's like, They avoided being political at all costs because they knew it would upset parents.

00:17:18.000 And I think that's kind of the way to go.

00:17:20.000 Not entirely, but I think that's healthier. 0.93

00:17:23.000 Yeah, it's weird when people don't have their own shit together, but they want to teach kids. 0.88

00:17:29.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:17:30.000 I'm not against people talking about anything in school.

00:17:36.000 But I think that the problem is when they're indoctrinating children into an idea and they're saying that this is right and this is the way to do it.

00:17:43.000 There's really clear right or wrong, like, hey, don't steal, don't rob, don't kill people, don't rape, don't start arson.

00:17:52.000 There's a lot of, like, real clear yes and nos.

00:17:55.000 But then when it gets to certain issues, it's like...

00:17:58.000 Some people have different religious beliefs.

00:18:02.000 Some people have different social beliefs.

00:18:05.000 It's good to talk about them, but you should be able to have someone from both sides discuss it.

00:18:11.000 I've talked about this before, but when I was a kid, when I was in high school, there was a guy named Barney Frank who was a congressman in Massachusetts.

00:18:19.000 And back then he was in the closet, but since then he's come out.

00:18:22.000 But he was the left-wing representative, and there was a guy from this group that was called the Moral Majority.

00:18:28.000 The moral majority at the time was like, they were like a right wing, they were kind of goofy.

00:18:34.000 They were right wing, but they were sloppy.

00:18:36.000 Like the ideology wasn't well formulated and the people that bought it, they were like sort of like QAnon people without the conspiracy theory. 0.94

00:18:45.000 They're goofy.

00:18:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

00:18:47.000 They're goofy.

00:18:48.000 So this guy and Barney Frank debated in an auditorium in our high school when I was like 14, 15 years old. 0.91

00:18:56.000 And it was really interesting because we got to see one guy who had this very staunch right-wing perspective and then...

00:19:04.000 Barney Frank, who is much more articulate and much more at least seemingly intelligent, picked his ideas apart and had a much better presentation and we got to walk out of there and talk about it and have our own opinions about things.

00:19:18.000 That doesn't exist anymore.

00:19:19.000 Doesn't exist anymore.

00:19:20.000 Now kids are getting, instead of getting educated As to the pros and cons of different perspectives, a lot of kids, you know, obviously depending upon school, they're getting indoctrinated into these ideas.

00:19:32.000 And it depends what city.

00:19:33.000 It depends, are you in a blue city in a blue state, red city in a red state, red in a blue, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:19:39.000 But also, like, I guess it's just the fact that there's not both sides shown to a lot of the shit. 0.88

00:19:46.000 Like, for me, I don't think there's any reason why preschoolers need to learn about LGBT and be shown all this flag that's like you see pictures of teachers in classrooms with like every possible variation of like LGBT flag, non-binary flag, all the shit with like five-year-olds and it's like to them it just looks like really cool colorful shit that kids are naturally going to be attracted to and so it's not a shock to me that you have like little kids now identifying as LGBT when you can make the argument that like that's just society progressing so naturally more people will identify 0.75

00:20:16.000 but like Five-year-olds and the same massive leap it's been used to be like 0.01%.

00:20:23.000 Now it's like...

00:20:24.000 But when it was 0.01%, how many of them just hid it?

00:20:27.000 Well, that's for trans, though. 0.99

00:20:28.000 I don't know.

00:20:28.000 But it's not just for trans.

00:20:30.000 I mean, whether it's gay, lesbian, trans, anything.

00:20:33.000 How many people hid their sexuality or their sexual preference or what their identity was?

00:20:39.000 A lot.

00:20:39.000 A lot, for sure.

00:20:41.000 Because the interesting thing is in the past, it was always kind of like a social net negative to come out.

00:20:49.000 It's like your life only got harder.

00:20:50.000 You weren't praised in the way we are now.

00:20:52.000 It's like society only knows how to do extremes of anything. 1.00

00:20:55.000 It used to be total shame and getting jumped and beat up because you're the faggot, which was my life as a kid. 1.00

00:21:01.000 And now it's like five-year-olds being told they're an inspiration and a hero because they're non-binary and they're going to go on Hormones when by the time they're 11, it's like Just chill. 0.99

00:21:11.000 When did you feel if you can remember when do you feel like something was off that you were supposed to be a girl and Like five.

00:21:21.000 Five?

00:21:22.000 Yeah, I remember being in preschool.

00:21:24.000 Like my earliest memories in life were feeling like the only way I can describe it was like a very intense misalignment between the way I was perceived and the way I had my self-concept.

00:21:33.000 So I would say five, but obviously I didn't have the words to articulate it at five.

00:21:38.000 Was that when you first started going?

00:21:39.000 Did you go to preschool?

00:21:41.000 Was that when you were around other kids?

00:21:43.000 Is that when you started feeling it?

00:21:44.000 Yeah.

00:21:46.000 First of all, I mean preschool is kind of like the earliest time people even have memories, but also like that's when you start being socially separated by gender.

00:21:54.000 It's like, you know, I have a very vivid memory of like The boys cubby area where you put your backpack in your schoolwork and the girls and it was like the girls was pink the boys was blue and that's Superficial, but you start to see the division really early and I just had this inherent sense that I would never be able to fit into like a Maleness ever. 0.99

00:22:13.000 I don't know why and the feelings only got more intense as I got older then I hope I hit puberty and it was like oh shit Something's really off. 0.99

00:22:21.000 Like, holy fuck. 0.98

00:22:24.000 And then eventually at 18, I started making the steps. 0.99

00:22:28.000 So there was never a moment where you were confused as to whether or not this is the right thing to do?

00:22:33.000 It was always confused as to why am I a boy?

00:22:37.000 There is definitely confusion and trepidation about like, is that the right thing for me to transition?

00:22:42.000 That's like a huge decision that I think is taken like way too lightly now.

00:22:47.000 And things have changed really quickly with how that decision is treated in society.

00:22:52.000 But I guess I just had – it was just a progression of like understanding it more and more, understanding like – Why am I uncomfortable with being called him by people when I'm literally a him?

00:23:02.000 Like, why is that something that would make me feel uncomfortable?

00:23:05.000 Why is that something that would cause me stress or anxiety?

00:23:09.000 And it just got worse and worse and worse.

00:23:11.000 And I considered living with it.

00:23:12.000 I thought maybe I'll just live with it. 0.99

00:23:14.000 But it got to a little bit of a breaking point where I was like, God damn it. 0.79

00:23:18.000 Do you remember the first person you reached out to about this? 0.96

00:23:22.000 I think my mom.

00:23:24.000 But I've always been the kind of person that once I decide something, I just decide it and I just go.

00:23:28.000 So it was almost like a very non-casual call.

00:23:31.000 I was like, hey mom, so I think I'm going to transition and see you at Christmas.

00:23:37.000 So this was a phone call when you were not at home?

00:23:39.000 You weren't living at home anymore?

00:23:40.000 Yeah, I had moved very briefly to Michigan for a boyfriend.

00:23:43.000 It was a horrible relationship.

00:23:44.000 But yeah, it was almost like casual.

00:23:47.000 And I think people weren't necessarily shocked because I was always naturally very feminine.

00:23:51.000 My voice never dropped. 0.99

00:23:53.000 I was called a faggot when I was four. 1.00

00:23:55.000 Everyone saw it. 1.00

00:23:56.000 Four?

00:23:56.000 Yeah, everyone saw it before me.

00:23:57.000 I didn't know what a faggot was. 1.00

00:23:58.000 Everyone did. 1.00

00:23:59.000 I didn't know what a faggot was, but I knew I was one. 1.00

00:24:01.000 So a little four-year-old called you that? 1.00

00:24:03.000 Oh yeah, all the kids.

00:24:04.000 I grew up in a very small sheltered town, which has its perks, in a place called Corning, California.

00:24:12.000 Very northern California, the most red part of California.

00:24:15.000 People don't realize that California is San Francisco, LA, San Diego, and Kentucky.

00:24:23.000 Yeah, literally.

00:24:24.000 No one even pays attention to the very top half.

00:24:26.000 And you go up there and you're like, oh, people live different here.

00:24:28.000 It's not...

00:24:29.000 Yeah, it's not even the top half.

00:24:30.000 If you drive from LA to San Francisco, it's Kentucky. 0.55

00:24:36.000 Yeah, yeah, and it's a whole lot of nothing. 1.00

00:24:38.000 It's fucking farmland with, like, fuck Joe Biden signs everywhere. 1.00

00:24:42.000 It's wild. 1.00

00:24:43.000 Yeah, that's what's crazy about, like, as a lifelong Californian until recently, it's like, it's always just been this thing where, like, LA pushes the narrative of California and San Francisco pushes the narrative of California, but it's really far from the truth.

00:24:54.000 So I grew up in a small town where I was, like, the town weirdo, which was totally fine.

00:24:59.000 I think it prepared me for the life I have now a little bit.

00:25:03.000 So everyone saw it before me, basically.

00:25:05.000 No one was shocked.

00:25:06.000 And did you grow up with your, was the nuclear family intact?

00:25:10.000 Was your father living with you?

00:25:12.000 Yeah, I had a mom and a dad and a half-brother.

00:25:14.000 And how did the dad feel about everything?

00:25:17.000 He died before I came out, so I don't really know.

00:25:20.000 Yeah, he died of cancer when I was 19, and I started transition officially at 20, 28 now.

00:25:26.000 My mom has been supportive.

00:25:28.000 I don't really talk to my brother, not because of that, but because he's a severe drug addict and not a jail.

00:25:32.000 I was the only person in my nuclear family, immediate family, that wasn't addicted to some sort of substance.

00:25:39.000 But that's the case with small towns like that.

00:25:42.000 It's like, what do you do?

00:25:43.000 It's just meth.

00:25:44.000 There was no bowling alley, no Walmart.

00:25:46.000 There wasn't even a Walmart in my town.

00:25:48.000 People just did meth.

00:25:49.000 It's just what you did.

00:25:50.000 I've never done meth.

00:25:51.000 Meth is so industrious.

00:25:53.000 They get everywhere.

00:25:55.000 100%.

00:25:55.000 Jobs don't get everywhere, but meth gets everywhere.

00:25:58.000 Meth finds the people. 0.77

00:25:59.000 Yes, and it's how people get through life in those towns.

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 Oxy, meth, something.

00:26:05.000 Anything.

00:26:05.000 Yeah, it's...

00:26:07.000 It's hard when you see people that come from these very rural towns where there's not much going on and they don't have any hope.

00:26:15.000 You know that people live a different life in other places but you don't know how you could get to those places.

00:26:22.000 What do you do?

00:26:23.000 Save up money?

00:26:24.000 Try to get a job when you move there?

00:26:26.000 Just take a chance?

00:26:28.000 It takes a lot of courage.

00:26:30.000 That's the main thing.

00:26:32.000 I think everyone kind of Yeah.

00:26:55.000 You've only been to California, Oregon, because it's next to California, a literal, like, four-hour drive from where I grew up in Texas?

00:27:03.000 Like, that's just crazy to me.

00:27:05.000 That's wild.

00:27:05.000 And she's, like, in her 50s.

00:27:06.000 It's like, how do you...

00:27:08.000 But I see the way it shapes their worldview, too.

00:27:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:11.000 Because they haven't seen the world.

00:27:13.000 That's a lot of people.

00:27:14.000 That's most people.

00:27:15.000 It's a giant chunk of people.

00:27:18.000 A lot of people, they get out of high school, they do whatever they do, whether they go to school or whether they go and get a job, and they kind of stay around where they are, and then they have this sort of very narrow view of the world because of that.

00:27:32.000 Yeah, and they don't necessarily understand your experiences.

00:27:37.000 So I moved to LA a few years ago, and I was there for five years.

00:27:41.000 And like when all the riots happened in 2020, I remember calling my family and just saying like, Hey, I'm sure you're seeing the news.

00:27:48.000 I'm sure you're slightly concerned for my safety.

00:27:50.000 The city is on fire.

00:27:50.000 But I'm actually going up to the mountains.

00:27:52.000 I'll be there for the foreseeable future.

00:27:54.000 And then I'll come back when things calm down.

00:27:55.000 They're like, Oh, but you're not racist, so you'll be fine, right?

00:27:58.000 I was like, you think these people are just walking around just attacking racists?

00:28:02.000 Like, no.

00:28:03.000 How do you feel about affirmative action?

00:28:05.000 They're holding a brick.

00:28:05.000 How do you feel about affirmative action?

00:28:07.000 It's like, okay, so what you don't understand is I'm by no means this group of people's favorite person being Antifa of Black Lives Matter.

00:28:15.000 I've literally had Antifa show up to my speaking events before.

00:28:19.000 Why have they showed up at your speaking events?

00:28:21.000 They say I'm transphobic.

00:28:22.000 What? 1.00

00:28:23.000 W-T. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. 1.00

00:28:29.000 Isn't that fucking stupid? 1.00

00:28:30.000 That's like me being anti-male. 1.00

00:28:32.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

00:28:34.000 Right, and you'll get called transphobic for having me on. 1.00

00:28:36.000 Well, I'll get called transphobic for everything.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, well, exactly.

00:28:39.000 Me too. 1.00

00:28:40.000 That's what's so fucking stupid about it. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I got first called transphobic because of the Fallon Fox thing, because that fighter that was beating the shit out of biological women without telling them that she was a man for 30 plus years. 1.00

00:28:51.000 Cracked one of their skulls within like 30 seconds. 0.99

00:28:54.000 Bragging about it. 0.99

00:28:55.000 And I was like, that's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:28:57.000 And people were like, you're out of line. 1.00

00:28:59.000 You're a bigot.

00:29:00.000 I'm like, what are you saying?

00:29:02.000 And granted, I used very inappropriate language and very colorful language to describe this because I was furious.

00:29:09.000 As you should be.

00:29:10.000 But I wouldn't be. 0.99

00:29:11.000 And there's another recent case that people brought before me like, this is outrageous, this is bullshit, of a guy who I think he was a ranger or a seal, like super fucking jacked. 0.99

00:29:22.000 Like, ripped dude who transitioned and became a woman and fought this woman. 0.99

00:29:28.000 I don't have a problem with that.

00:29:30.000 Zero problem with that.

00:29:31.000 Because it was her decision.

00:29:32.000 Just like, I don't have a problem with people riding bulls.

00:29:34.000 I don't have a problem with people free diving with sharks. 0.99

00:29:37.000 Do whatever the fuck you want to do. 0.97

00:29:38.000 But the Fallon Fox thing, the opponents didn't know, right? 0.99

00:29:41.000 Exactly.

00:29:42.000 The first two fighters didn't know that she was a biological male for 30 years. 0.99

00:29:47.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

00:29:47.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

00:29:48.000 And she said that it was a medical decision. 1.00

00:29:50.000 It was a medical issue and it wasn't any of their business.

00:29:54.000 I don't think your sex is a medical issue.

00:29:56.000 It's just kind of a state of being and it might be important to certain situations.

00:30:01.000 Like if I go to a doctor's office, I always find that it's very important for me to tell them that I'm male to female transsexual because there's going to be certain things that they need to maybe screen me for for my health or look out for that are specifically to biological males.

00:30:13.000 And those are things that, yeah, I can change a lot of that, but not all of it.

00:30:16.000 But at least that is patient-physician relationship.

00:30:22.000 No one's getting assaulted.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, but it's also private.

00:30:25.000 This is a public thing.

00:30:27.000 So I think her perspective was that if she tells these people that she was a biological male for 30 years and then transitioned, that she'll get publicly persecuted.

00:30:39.000 We'll be upset, but you got to give people the opportunity to say no.

00:30:43.000 Like, I don't want to compete against someone like this, especially in the level of competition that she was facing.

00:30:48.000 Combat sports specifically.

00:30:50.000 Yeah, but it's also like it's low level combat sports. 0.97

00:30:52.000 It's like once she fought, she fought a biological female that kicked her ass, Ashley Evans Smith, who eventually made her way to the UFC. Yeah. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 Just to be kind of real about it, if I, for whatever reason, like, right when I moved from LA to Texas, I was in between doctors, so I was literally off hormones for maybe three to four weeks.

00:31:28.000 And, like, I've been on them so consistently for so many years now that I didn't realize how quickly it gets reversed if you're not on.

00:31:36.000 Like, I didn't see necessarily physical changes, but just psychologically, like, just so many things.

00:31:42.000 People really underestimate.

00:31:43.000 When did you get off?

00:31:45.000 It was like, I moved here September 1st, so from like September 1st to like October I wasn't on.

00:31:50.000 And what happened?

00:31:52.000 What was the shift?

00:31:52.000 My skin got really oily.

00:31:54.000 My hair got really oily.

00:31:57.000 I literally felt my arm hair get slightly thicker.

00:31:59.000 I have almost no arm hair, but what is there, I felt it get a little bit thicker.

00:32:03.000 Were you like, yikes? 0.99

00:32:05.000 Yeah, I was like, I gotta get a fucking doctor. 1.00

00:32:07.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:32:09.000 About to get some black market shit. 1.00

00:32:10.000 Don't do that. 1.00

00:32:11.000 No.

00:32:12.000 But yeah, and that's only a month after being on them consistently for eight years.

00:32:17.000 So if you've lived your life until 30, 35, maybe even longer, you have received the full impact of masculinization via testosterone.

00:32:27.000 And that's not inconsequential.

00:32:30.000 And people act like it is.

00:32:31.000 It's a huge thing.

00:32:32.000 Well, there's a guy that was on my podcast recently.

00:32:34.000 His name's Derek.

00:32:35.000 He runs the website, the YouTube page, More Plates, More Dates.

00:32:40.000 He's like an amateur chemist.

00:32:42.000 He's a brilliant guy, but he knows a lot about steroids.

00:32:47.000 He's done a lot of steroids himself, and he knows a lot about hormones and hormone optimization.

00:32:51.000 And he even runs a hormone clinic.

00:32:53.000 And he did a series of videos about the problem with people transitioning and, like, what are the benefits that these athletes are facing that activists are not being straight about.

00:33:05.000 And, you know, he went over specifically this MMA fighter that used to be – was he a ranger or a seal when he was a male?

00:33:16.000 I think he was a Navy Seal or a Marine.

00:33:18.000 Yeah, whatever.

00:33:19.000 Jacked. 1.00

00:33:20.000 Huge motherfucker. 1.00

00:33:21.000 He was hot. 1.00

00:33:22.000 Yeah, pretty hot.

00:33:22.000 He was actually pretty hot.

00:33:23.000 I was like, yeah.

00:33:25.000 And then became a woman and started fighting in MMA. But again, I have zero problem with that.

00:33:31.000 No problem.

00:33:31.000 If it's consensual.

00:33:32.000 Special Forces.

00:33:33.000 So he did a whole video on him.

00:33:36.000 Now there's a swimmer who just beat her slowest, the next closest competitor by 38 seconds. 0.80

00:33:48.000 That is wild.

00:33:50.000 But the thing about that is I think it's very easy to get a little reactionary to things like this and be like, oh, this is a really bad thing.

00:33:57.000 And I agree that it's a bad thing, especially because it's not consensual, like you said.

00:34:00.000 But what better way to show one of the major pitfalls of this ideology than just seeing it?

00:34:07.000 In sports, where it's measurable.

00:34:09.000 Just to see the...

00:34:12.000 Physical difference sometimes between them. 0.99

00:34:13.000 You don't have to be like into sports or a fucking scientist to see like oh That's a huge human. 0.81

00:34:19.000 That's a small human and that person's probably gonna have an advantage in some way over this person Some of them are just like fucking big and you see them wind up playing track or some running track and like it's okay The craziest one that I've ever heard of a 50 year old guy Transition to being female Caitlyn Jenner No, 0.97

00:34:38.000 no, no. 0.96

00:34:40.000 She's older than that.

00:34:41.000 She's in her 60s.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, she is.

00:34:42.000 50-year-old guy and then went back to college and played college ball.

00:34:46.000 Wait. 1.00

00:34:47.000 So women's college ball as a 50-plus-year-old man that's like 6'5", this fucking giant person. 0.99

00:34:54.000 What's crazy is, here's where it becomes a problem. 0.99

00:34:58.000 If you're a woman, that's him right there. 0.81

00:35:00.000 Oh, yeah, I've seen that one.

00:35:02.000 See, this is what I mean.

00:35:03.000 When you just see it and it's plain as day like that, it's really hard to argue for it.

00:35:07.000 People still manage to somehow.

00:35:09.000 These are teenage girls. 0.84

00:35:10.000 And what's really fucked is that these girls, for a lot of these 19, 20-year-old girls, they might be working on a scholarship, right? 0.97

00:35:19.000 They might be there through their sports merits. 0.96

00:35:24.000 They might want to play in the NBA as a professional.

00:35:26.000 And here they're competing against a biological male that's gigantic.

00:35:30.000 That's a huge person.

00:35:31.000 Like, why you got to go back to...

00:35:33.000 And if there's this many trans athletes wanting to compete, like, where are the trans leagues at this point?

00:35:38.000 I feel like those should be who you think.

00:35:39.000 That would be great.

00:35:40.000 I would love to see...

00:35:41.000 If they had trans leagues, but then that would be a problem. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Because the male to female would dominate. 0.98

00:35:46.000 Well, yeah, I would say separate it, just male to females and maybe female to male separate.

00:35:51.000 Just like a reverse of what we already have.

00:35:54.000 I would love to see Fallon Fox, what's her name, Alana McLaughlin, the other trans woman, the one with the pink hair.

00:36:01.000 It's like, y'all just go at it.

00:36:03.000 You get out.

00:36:04.000 If they're the same weight class. 0.93

00:36:05.000 You can't tell me you wouldn't want to just hit a blunt and watch two trainings beat the fuck out of each other. 0.86

00:36:08.000 That's hilarious.

00:36:09.000 It would be more fair, for sure, if you had male to female lead.

00:36:15.000 But it's like, is there enough?

00:36:17.000 Are there enough male to female combat sports athletes that you could actually have a league and have people that would have opponents? 0.98

00:36:25.000 Because you have to have a weight class, say if you have a 135-pound weight class, you have to have X amount of women in that weight class to compete. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Probably will be soon now that like a huge chunk of like kids are wanting like it's gonna be more trans people in the future a lot more So this brings me back to the idea of the alien and the idea of CRISPR. Like if people could just transition, 0.74

00:36:50.000 like legitimately transition.

00:36:52.000 Like into a new body?

00:36:53.000 Yeah, where you're switching.

00:36:55.000 I think people are going to be the Hulk.

00:36:57.000 I think you're going to have people that come out like Thor.

00:36:59.000 You're just going to be able to manipulate genes.

00:37:02.000 I mean essentially that Chris Helmsworth guy, what you have there is...

00:37:08.000 Weightlifting, plus steroids, plus genes.

00:37:11.000 All those things are amazing.

00:37:12.000 And they have to all line up to make Thor.

00:37:15.000 When you see that guy with his shirt off, you're like, Jesus.

00:37:18.000 That's a lineup, right? 1.00

00:37:19.000 You've got to have a lot of shit in line. 0.99

00:37:21.000 A lot of things have to fall in line for that. 1.00

00:37:22.000 If you are a biological female and you transition to be a biological male and you want to look like that guy, good luck. 0.99

00:37:30.000 Good fucking luck. 0.99

00:37:31.000 Even though testosterone is a hell of a drug. 0.99

00:37:32.000 And I've seen some that I'm like, Well, Buck Angel's been on the podcast before.

00:37:38.000 I love Buck Angel.

00:37:39.000 Very nice guy.

00:37:40.000 He's a very good person.

00:37:41.000 Sweet person.

00:37:42.000 Real friendly.

00:37:43.000 And just a genuine person.

00:37:45.000 When you see him and talk to him, you're like, same thing I see when I talk to you.

00:37:51.000 You're like, oh yeah, clearly.

00:37:53.000 Just makes sense.

00:37:53.000 Yeah, just makes sense.

00:37:54.000 Like, trans makes sense. 1.00

00:37:56.000 Like, it makes sense for a lot of people.

00:37:58.000 But it's like, But I also think that it takes a very specific person to transition and end up happy with it and, like, live that life.

00:38:09.000 It takes a very specific person.

00:38:10.000 What is that person?

00:38:11.000 I think it's someone who has experienced intense, debilitating levels of gender dysphoria.

00:38:18.000 It's been consistent.

00:38:20.000 You're insistent on it.

00:38:21.000 It doesn't go anywhere.

00:38:23.000 And you seek the solution to fix it, which for some people is transition, but it's not everyone.

00:38:29.000 I mean, clearly you have, like, there's this really alarming, growing movement of detransitioners among young people online. 1.00

00:38:34.000 If you look up the word detransition on YouTube, it's a bunch of now becoming, like, influencers, getting, like, millions of views talking about how they were 16, thought they were trans.

00:38:42.000 By the time they're 19, they're done with it, but their breasts are gone, but their voice is permanently altered, but they have... 0.97

00:38:49.000 Is their voice permanently altered?

00:38:51.000 What happens if you get on estrogen?

00:38:53.000 Estrogen does not change your voice.

00:38:55.000 Really?

00:38:56.000 No.

00:38:56.000 Not even a small amount.

00:38:59.000 You have to kind of voice train, I guess.

00:39:01.000 I've never done that.

00:39:02.000 You're so lucky that you have a feminine voice.

00:39:05.000 My voice never dropped.

00:39:06.000 This is my voice since 13. That's so lucky, right?

00:39:09.000 For someone who transitions, because you don't ever have to fake it.

00:39:12.000 You know who Elizabeth Holmes is?

00:39:14.000 I'm obsessed with this lady. 0.99

00:39:15.000 I'm sorry, I keep bringing it up.

00:39:17.000 Do you know what Theranos is?

00:39:18.000 No.

00:39:19.000 Theranos is this gigantic scam.

00:39:22.000 It was a huge...

00:39:23.000 Oh, sorry, Theranos.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:24.000 The blood testing scam.

00:39:26.000 She has a fake voice and she talks about this.

00:39:29.000 And she tried to make herself have a deeper voice so she was taken more seriously. 1.00

00:39:34.000 But when her friends from college saw her, they're like, what is this bitch talking like that? 1.00

00:39:39.000 Why is she talking like that? 1.00

00:39:40.000 And then they realized, that's not her voice.

00:39:42.000 Like, oh my god, she's pretending she's got a deep voice.

00:39:44.000 Unless maybe something happened.

00:39:46.000 She got hit in the neck with a lacrosse ball or something.

00:39:49.000 Testosterone does change your voice, though.

00:39:51.000 It does.

00:39:51.000 Yeah, that's why a lot of you see trans guys and they're on testosterone and like a month later they sound like, Like me.

00:39:58.000 Like you. 1.00

00:39:58.000 And I'm like, okay, shit. 1.00

00:40:01.000 But they also have it a lot harder with surgeries because it's harder to make a hole than build a pole. 1.00

00:40:06.000 High.

00:40:08.000 Is it?

00:40:10.000 Yeah.

00:40:10.000 I mean, if you're making a...

00:40:12.000 How do you build a pole?

00:40:14.000 Exactly.

00:40:15.000 You can probably, if I told you to go dig a hole, you can figure it out, but make a pole if there's nothing?

00:40:19.000 I don't know.

00:40:20.000 I think you said it the wrong way.

00:40:22.000 I think you said it's harder to make a hole than to build a pole.

00:40:25.000 Oh, my bad.

00:40:26.000 Easier to make a hole.

00:40:27.000 Right.

00:40:27.000 Is that what she said?

00:40:29.000 We don't have to rewind it.

00:40:30.000 But it's clear.

00:40:32.000 It's easier to snip, snip, make a hole than it is.

00:40:36.000 I've seen, unfortunately, because I'm one of those dudes that are like, let's Google it.

00:40:41.000 You've seen the surgery?

00:40:42.000 I've seen the surgery on both sides. 0.99

00:40:44.000 I've seen where they grow a penis on an arm. 1.00

00:40:47.000 They grew a penis on this guy's arm. 1.00

00:40:49.000 It's like inflatable. 1.00

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:50.000 Well, it's, yeah.

00:40:52.000 And then it's probably numb, you know?

00:40:55.000 Like, my knee... 0.97

00:40:56.000 I had an operation on my knee in like 94 or some shit. 0.94

00:41:02.000 And it's still numb. 0.91

00:41:03.000 Like the outside of my knee is still numb.

00:41:05.000 I had an ACL reconstruction.

00:41:08.000 So this big scar up my knee.

00:41:10.000 And if you touch that area, it's numb.

00:41:12.000 Okay.

00:41:12.000 That's probably what it's like.

00:41:14.000 Yeah, I would imagine if you have... 0.99

00:41:16.000 I mean, maybe you get some of your feeling back, but if you're growing a new dick on your arm and then they put it on there, how much of it do you feel? 0.99

00:41:26.000 And does it feel like an arm? 0.98

00:41:27.000 You know, like if someone's like stroking my arm and I have to pretend like...

00:41:32.000 Right.

00:41:32.000 Like, can you really...

00:41:33.000 Oh, baby, keep touching my dick. 1.00

00:41:36.000 At that point, I'd say just get a strap on and call it a fucking day. 1.00

00:41:39.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:41:40.000 But yeah, surgeries are easier for trans women because it's like... 0.99

00:41:43.000 Even in the sense of like top surgery, it's like adding breasts is like a little bit less traumatic than removing them.

00:41:50.000 Right.

00:41:51.000 Yeah, because you could always go back.

00:41:53.000 Like a lot of girls, get them removed. 1.00

00:41:55.000 But that's what's so scary about these kids.

00:41:57.000 It's like, I don't know if you've ever kind of gone down the teen detransition or rabbit hole.

00:42:01.000 I have.

00:42:02.000 Okay.

00:42:02.000 It's like young kids.

00:42:04.000 And I've interviewed a couple on my channel.

00:42:05.000 One of them's name was Elle Palmer, I believe.

00:42:09.000 That's the last name.

00:42:09.000 And her voice is permanently very, very deep.

00:42:15.000 I believe she's had to have laser hair removal because she started going facial hair she can't get rid of. 1.00

00:42:20.000 Removed her breasts. 0.80

00:42:21.000 That's Abigail Schreier's subject that she's been...

00:42:27.000 She's been attacked, like, relentlessly for that book.

00:42:30.000 Very bad, yeah.

00:42:31.000 And that is, like, when I get called out for having transphobic content, they point to that only, to Abigail Schreier's work.

00:42:41.000 Well, we're giving her something else now. 0.98

00:42:43.000 I don't know how the fuck they're gonna say it's anti-trans we're having you on. 0.99

00:42:46.000 You are. 0.98

00:42:47.000 Because to me, there's a very big difference between individual trans people and trans ideology.

00:42:55.000 And when you're trans, it's like you can either follow the trans ideology, which is ever moving, ever growing, new rules every other week, or you like don't. 0.55

00:43:03.000 What's the newsletter say for this week? 0.98

00:43:05.000 I don't fucking know. 0.98

00:43:07.000 That's the thing. 0.99

00:43:07.000 I hear words all the time. 0.99

00:43:08.000 I just did a video with Michael Malice on my channel where we reacted to like crazy TikToks and it was all this trans shit in terms and I'm like, how do I not know this and I'm a fucking tranny? 1.00

00:43:17.000 How am I not relating to this in any sense of the, like what? 0.99

00:43:21.000 So it's hard to keep up with but that's also why I have a lot of empathy for people who don't understand trans people, don't get it because everyone has a gay friend.

00:43:30.000 Most people don't have a trans friend.

00:43:32.000 The TikToks, the Libs of TikTok channel. 0.61

00:43:35.000 I love it.

00:43:36.000 It's where I got all my TikToks I reacted to.

00:43:38.000 It's incredible.

00:43:39.000 Libs of TikTok on Twitter is the best follow.

00:43:41.000 Well, Tim Dillon's the best follow.

00:43:43.000 Libs of TikTok is number two. 0.96

00:43:44.000 But Libs of TikTok is so fucking crazy. 0.99

00:43:49.000 It's almost like China is fucking with us. 1.00

00:43:52.000 The algorithm. 1.00

00:43:53.000 It's not just the algorithm.

00:43:54.000 It's like they created TikTok.

00:43:56.000 And TikTok is, you know, when you've talked to software engineers that have back-engineered the TikTok platform and gone over all this different stuff that it does to violate privacy, they said, we've never seen an app like this before.

00:44:08.000 It's like the most violating app ever.

00:44:12.000 Oh yeah, it's intense.

00:44:13.000 I've literally, this one time I met this girl at a gym and we became friends and we were just talking.

00:44:18.000 But we didn't give each other our numbers or contact info or anything, right?

00:44:23.000 There was no digital attachment.

00:44:25.000 We didn't follow each other, nothing.

00:44:26.000 And then an hour later, I'm on my phone on TikTok.

00:44:28.000 I'm banned now, but when I had TikTok.

00:44:30.000 And I'm scrolling through and she pops up on my TikTok.

00:44:34.000 A woman I just met in person.

00:44:35.000 And it's not like she was an influencer or had a following to where maybe statistically I would run into this person.

00:44:40.000 It's like she had like 12 followers.

00:44:42.000 And I was like, that's scary.

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:44.000 I bet it's probably just your phone being next to her phone.

00:44:48.000 Like, the phones are talking to each other.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:50.000 Like, what?

00:44:51.000 It's like, I don't like that.

00:44:53.000 I mean, granted, I followed her.

00:44:54.000 I was like, oh, cool, she has a TikTok.

00:44:55.000 How did you get banned from TikTok?

00:44:57.000 I posted that I didn't think it was transphobic for people to not date trans people if they don't have that preference.

00:45:03.000 That's it?

00:45:05.000 Mm-hmm.

00:45:06.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:45:07.000 They banned you for that?

00:45:08.000 That was the...

00:45:10.000 Yeah, infraction. 0.98

00:45:12.000 TikTok doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:45:14.000 Yeah, because there was this funny meme that was going around called Super Straight, and there was high school kids being like, I'm super straight, I don't date trans women. 0.99

00:45:22.000 But it's funny because the way they did it was like, I'm not just straight, I'm super straight.

00:45:28.000 But the way they did it was like, okay, we'll say trans women or women, but I'm super straight, so I go further than that, I don't actually date them.

00:45:34.000 Oh my god, super straight is hilarious.

00:45:36.000 But everyone was super upset about it, and to me, I find it insulting on so many levels to insist people have to date someone of a certain type or be involved sexually.

00:45:46.000 So I'm like, why are y'all attacking people for saying this?

00:45:50.000 It's a meme.

00:45:51.000 What did you say, though, that they banned you for?

00:45:53.000 Did you say anything?

00:45:54.000 I said I wouldn't want to date anyone who didn't want to date trans women anyways.

00:45:57.000 I'm not offended by it.

00:45:59.000 And people have a right to their preferences.

00:46:01.000 Everyone has a right to their preferences.

00:46:02.000 And I got banned for that.

00:46:03.000 Wow.

00:46:04.000 I wonder what they're doing.

00:46:05.000 Do you think that they're just...

00:46:06.000 They're social engineering.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, they're social engineering, right?

00:46:09.000 But it's China is involved.

00:46:11.000 Yes. 0.96

00:46:12.000 So it's almost like they're trying to push us towards the most ridiculous, preposterous, cartoonish, caricature-ish version of what like a social justice warrior would be. 0.92

00:46:25.000 Yeah, and it just keeps going. 0.94

00:46:26.000 It doesn't stop.

00:46:27.000 Going further and further left.

00:46:28.000 Yeah.

00:46:28.000 Do you remember like, I don't know, I remember being maybe like in 2015 watching like your podcast with like just people from that time talking about the SJWs are starting to rise up and like those guests and it's like that was like nothing.

00:46:41.000 Well, people thought I was overreacting.

00:46:43.000 They were like, I was talking to people like Jordan Peterson and a lot of other people.

00:46:47.000 I was like, this is not going to stop here.

00:46:49.000 You have to understand, these people are going to go from universities into corporations, and then the corporate interests are going to be represented by these people, and it's going to spread this ideology in mainstream America. 0.99

00:47:00.000 People are like, that's bullshit. 0.97

00:47:01.000 This is a very fringe thing. 0.99

00:47:03.000 It's only happening in small groups and universities, but now it's undisputable.

00:47:07.000 Right.

00:47:07.000 You can't work for any major corporation without going through It's basically social justice training.

00:47:13.000 It's just part of being hired places.

00:47:15.000 And if you want to work for a tech company, good luck being conservative.

00:47:18.000 You can't.

00:47:19.000 You literally can't.

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:21.000 It's crazy.

00:47:22.000 But that's what's so scary as well when you think of big tech.

00:47:26.000 It's like so much of what we say is so controlled and there's so much that I would love to just be able to open my phone, rant about on social media, and not be... 0.98

00:47:33.000 How stupid is that I got banned for saying that I don't think it's transphobic to not date trans women? 0.98

00:47:37.000 But you could say that on Instagram. 1.00

00:47:39.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

00:47:40.000 There's different roles for different things.

00:47:41.000 Like on Twitter, I posted something along to the effects of Kyle Rittenhouse did nothing wrong.

00:47:46.000 That was like a tweet I posted.

00:47:47.000 But then people who shared that tweet on Instagram got banned.

00:47:50.000 I knew I shouldn't share that on Instagram.

00:47:52.000 That's like Twitter only type of thing.

00:47:53.000 But then I had friends who reposted my tweet on their walls, and they got banned.

00:47:59.000 I'm like, that's scary.

00:48:01.000 Yeah, Twitter is a little more free, but less free now, I think, with Jack Dorsey gone.

00:48:09.000 Jack Dorsey, I think, was the last firewall for free speech over there.

00:48:16.000 They just banned the Ghislaine Maxwell, the trial attacker.

00:48:21.000 Is that how you say it?

00:48:22.000 I think it's Ghislaine, yeah.

00:48:23.000 Do you know how to say it, Jamie?

00:48:24.000 Ghislaine?

00:48:25.000 You think so?

00:48:26.000 I've never heard her say it, but I think that's how you say it.

00:48:28.000 I like to say Jizzlane because it's funny.

00:48:30.000 That's better.

00:48:31.000 Let's go with that.

00:48:31.000 Jizzlane Maxwell.

00:48:32.000 Jizzlane.

00:48:34.000 The tracker.

00:48:36.000 Got yeeted.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, but it got yeeted for what?

00:48:39.000 Did you see what it got yeeted for the last post?

00:48:42.000 No.

00:48:43.000 They showed that a bunch of evidence that was introduced already had FBI tags on it, which means the FBI had access to all of these CDs, all of these hard drives, all of these things, had reviewed them, and then had allowed them to be brought back in for evidence,

00:48:58.000 supposedly.

00:48:59.000 See if you can find it.

00:49:00.000 Because it's posted up.

00:49:01.000 A lot of people have reposted it under threat banning.

00:49:05.000 Doesn't this, like, strysan affect it?

00:49:07.000 Because people are just going to ad nauseum.

00:49:09.000 Well, you're smarter than the feds.

00:49:12.000 Congratulations.

00:49:13.000 In a way, but also that account had a huge following very quickly.

00:49:16.000 I think it had like 400k followers very quickly.

00:49:18.000 530,000.

00:49:18.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:49:19.000 And they just banned it.

00:49:21.000 And that's what's like, okay, so there's all this media attention for the Rittenhouse thing.

00:49:25.000 You can't turn on the TV without seeing it, which it was a big deal.

00:49:28.000 And it, you know, I think a lot of...

00:49:31.000 American issues were kind of going head-to-head over that trial.

00:49:36.000 But the Jelaine Maxwell thing, I feel like, is so much more to the public interest, or it should be, because it's like you have Hollywood and the elites and people connected to politics preying on young girls, and the fact that that's not of a higher priority in people's attention span is really sad,

00:49:53.000 I think.

00:49:53.000 There's a lot of, like, black celebrities and black people that I follow that still have, like, a take on Kyle Rittenhouse because he went to a Black Lives Matter protest.

00:50:07.000 Yeah.

00:50:07.000 Like, even though, like, I have black friends that thought he shot black guys until, like, the trial started.

00:50:12.000 That was a lot of my progressive friends.

00:50:14.000 Yeah.

00:50:14.000 They thought it was because nobody knew.

00:50:16.000 They knew he shot three people, but they didn't know. 1.00

00:50:19.000 And then they realize, oh, he shot a couple fucking crazy people. 1.00

00:50:24.000 A white pedophile. 1.00

00:50:26.000 Multiple offender. 1.00

00:50:29.000 Like a guy who raped many kids. 1.00

00:50:32.000 When I think about that kind of shit, I think there are really just two separate realities that people live in in this country. 1.00

00:50:40.000 And to me, it's split up between people who either have faith in the corporate press and people who don't. 0.99

00:50:45.000 Well, I think in this case it's a little different because I think there's a narrative that got put out and a lot of people didn't read into the story, they just bought the narrative.

00:50:54.000 The narrative was this kid's a white supremacist, he crossed state lines with an illegal gun and he goes to a Black Lives Matter protest looking for trouble and shoots three people.

00:51:04.000 That was the narrative. 0.92

00:51:04.000 But the reality was He didn't cross state lines with a gun. 0.92

00:51:09.000 He lived 20 minutes away.

00:51:10.000 He drove over there.

00:51:12.000 Someone gave him a gun.

00:51:13.000 He was working.

00:51:14.000 He was kind of playing cop, for sure.

00:51:17.000 But he did administer aid to people, and he did work to clean up graffiti.

00:51:22.000 And I think the story is, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think the story is that some guys who ran a car dealership asked him to come and help and protect it.

00:51:32.000 And these guys saw him with the AR, and they chased him down.

00:51:36.000 They hit him with a skateboard, knocked him to the ground.

00:51:39.000 One guy pulled a gun at him, and he shot three guys.

00:51:41.000 He tried to take his gun.

00:51:42.000 And I believe that the individuals that owned the car dealership were Indian men.

00:51:48.000 So it's like he's there to protect these people of color, literally.

00:51:52.000 We showed a meme in the Matt Taibbi episode. 0.98

00:51:55.000 We showed a meme of how crazy it is that he's the worst white supremacist ever. 0.98

00:51:58.000 He shot three white guys while protecting two brown guys. 0.99

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 And then you have people to the even post trial, like post like letting him go.

00:52:08.000 You have people who still think he went and shot two innocent Black Lives Matter protesters because the way in which the media frames it is killed to people at a Black Lives Matter protest.

00:52:16.000 It's like you're purposely leaving out a lot of context here.

00:52:19.000 And but that's also their MO. It's stroking more division, more hate, more this group versus that group.

00:52:26.000 It's also the best way to get people to click on things.

00:52:29.000 And that's always a thing with the media.

00:52:33.000 And part of it, I feel, it's almost like they're just trying to survive.

00:52:38.000 Because to try to get people to read your news stories, good luck today.

00:52:41.000 Good luck.

00:52:42.000 Some stuff, though, is weird, though.

00:52:44.000 Some stuff, I would agree that it's like, oh, it's just trying to get clicks.

00:52:49.000 It's just about how many people are reading an article or tuning into something.

00:52:52.000 And then other things, I think, like...

00:52:54.000 We're good to go.

00:53:16.000 Well, that was one of the things that helped me.

00:53:17.000 The crazy thing is that it was on a laundry list of stuff that I took, and that was the one that they pointed out.

00:53:22.000 But, you know, I've had legitimate doctors that have treated, including Dr. Pierre Corey, who's treated thousands of people with ivermectin.

00:53:31.000 And people, I mean, they're handing it out as part of the protocol in Japan, in India, in parts of South America, in Mexico.

00:53:40.000 Ivermectin is standard care.

00:53:44.000 But the problem is it's a generic medication.

00:53:46.000 It's very cheap.

00:53:48.000 Like, you can get a dose of ivermectin for like 30 cents.

00:53:52.000 Right. 0.98

00:53:53.000 But then you think, like, how do these people fucking get away with it? 0.98

00:53:57.000 It's very frustrating. 0.97

00:53:58.000 It's like, so why do CNN anchors and MSNBC anchors just get to say it's horse tranquilizer?

00:54:05.000 Or, yeah, horse dewormer.

00:54:07.000 They used to be able to.

00:54:09.000 But I think this time, it changed.

00:54:12.000 And I think with me, the problem was I have more people that watch me than watch them.

00:54:18.000 Of course.

00:54:19.000 And I keep talking about it. 0.97

00:54:21.000 I don't shut the fuck up about it. 0.96

00:54:22.000 So it's like every time... 0.97

00:54:24.000 I'm not gonna...

00:54:24.000 So every time I talk about it, it's worse for them.

00:54:27.000 Because then people go, what did they do?

00:54:28.000 And then they'll watch a clip. 1.00

00:54:29.000 And they'll go, holy shit! 0.99

00:54:31.000 And then they'll watch the Brought to You by Pfizer. 0.99

00:54:34.000 Like, you ever seen the compilation?

00:54:36.000 Anderson Cooper, Brought to You by Pfizer.

00:54:38.000 You see like hundreds of shows Brought to You by Pfizer.

00:54:40.000 It's like we're in a Black Mirror episode.

00:54:42.000 Every commercial is about some sort of vaccine.

00:54:43.000 I was saying the other night, I was just like high in bed watching like TV and commercials were coming.

00:54:48.000 I never really watched TV. And I was shocked by the commercials.

00:54:51.000 Every commercial has something to do with your health, something to do. 0.99

00:54:54.000 I'm like, I literally told Joey, I'm like, I'm sick of hearing about health shit. 0.99

00:54:58.000 Like, I don't want to hear about health shit. 0.99

00:54:59.000 I want to hear about medication. 0.99

00:55:01.000 Like, this country is so obsessed with medicine.

00:55:03.000 I was watching the UFC the other day.

00:55:05.000 These dudes were beating the fuck out of each other and every commercial was about a pharmaceutical drug.

00:55:12.000 Do you have any drugs for headaches? 1.00

00:55:14.000 Because these guys have fucking headaches. 1.00

00:55:15.000 They just cranked on each other's necks and kicked each other in the face. 1.00

00:55:19.000 And they're selling medication for how to sleep easier. 0.97

00:55:22.000 It's insane.

00:55:23.000 And it's also insane knowing that if history went another way and Trump had gotten a second term, I think the vaccine skeptics and hesitant people would be on the other side.

00:55:34.000 Because right before Trump lost, it was like Kamala Harris talking about how she wouldn't take the vaccine.

00:55:40.000 It was every CNN anchor, talk show host, all these libs, Biden.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, Biden talked about it.

00:55:45.000 Yeah.

00:55:46.000 Now it's trust the science.

00:55:48.000 Who's going to take it?

00:55:49.000 If it does come out, who's going to take it?

00:55:52.000 It would have been the Trump vaccine.

00:55:53.000 Yeah, now it's just get the vaccine.

00:55:55.000 Get vaccinated.

00:55:56.000 Take the vaccine, man.

00:55:58.000 Speaking of him, a couple of the TikTok thing.

00:56:02.000 Do you remember that Trump had an order to ban it?

00:56:05.000 And then the Biden administration revoked it in order to change, I guess, the framework of what was going to be changed or like the banning of what they were actually banning about data sales and Tracking and all sorts of stuff, but it hasn't happened.

00:56:19.000 But here, if you look at the top of the article, look what it says there.

00:56:22.000 But the apps still aren't out of hot water.

00:56:25.000 What does that mean?

00:56:27.000 Oh, the apps are in hot water.

00:56:29.000 Those apps have 100 billion people on them. 1.00

00:56:31.000 What the fuck are you saying? 0.99

00:56:32.000 So with this, the tracker trial thing, there is something apparently here with this, some Twitter sleuths, if you will, did some digging into the account and some old archive tweets. 0.99

00:56:45.000 That account was used for other...

00:56:48.000 Tweeting purposes.

00:56:50.000 Oh, so like their Russian troll account?

00:56:53.000 Maybe, but like they were saying that that account wasn't like a person at the trial.

00:56:57.000 They were just reposting stuff from other like mainstream media sources that they were almost claiming weren't following the trial too, which is a little...

00:57:04.000 See, but see, why do they ban them?

00:57:06.000 It could be a reason just to pull them off.

00:57:08.000 But the reason to ban them is because of this.

00:57:11.000 They had other Twitter accounts also pointing to a Substack newsletter.

00:57:16.000 Including an account established to report only negative news about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:57:21.000 But why is that ban-worthy?

00:57:22.000 Because if you're using bots and stuff to take people off of Twitter's website, they don't want that.

00:57:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:27.000 And that's a reason to do it.

00:57:29.000 But is that a bot?

00:57:30.000 It says they had other accounts.

00:57:31.000 I don't know that it's a bot.

00:57:33.000 I don't know that that's accurate.

00:57:34.000 That could be a reason to do it.

00:57:35.000 But if they're connected to someone that's just only criticizing AOC, that might be a reason alone.

00:57:41.000 Twitter leans so far left.

00:57:44.000 I mean, Twitter banned Megan Murphy for saying that men are never women.

00:57:49.000 Right.

00:57:50.000 Yeah.

00:57:50.000 And then it sucks because, like, all the alternatives to, like, mainstream social media are so cringe.

00:57:56.000 They're terrible. 0.99

00:57:56.000 It's like, I don't want to join fucking Parler. 0.99

00:57:58.000 I don't want to join fucking... 1.00

00:57:59.000 Join Gab and talk to Nazis? 1.00

00:58:01.000 What are you gonna do?

00:58:01.000 Yeah, it's like, I wish it could just be truly politically neutral.

00:58:05.000 Like, we did not appreciate MySpace for what it was. 0.99

00:58:07.000 That shit was politically neutral. 0.99

00:58:09.000 Tom had our back. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Yes, that shit was fun. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:11.000 It was great. 1.00

00:58:12.000 You could post bulletins, and now it's like, you say one wrong thing, and it's like, you're banned forever.

00:58:16.000 And it's only on one side, too, which is really frustrating.

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:20.000 There's no...

00:58:20.000 I mean, what's the best alternative platform?

00:58:24.000 Is it Gab?

00:58:26.000 I say Gab, you talk to Nazis, but I don't really know.

00:58:28.000 I haven't really been there.

00:58:29.000 That's just the narrative.

00:58:30.000 Well, it is explicitly very right-wing.

00:58:34.000 Let's go to Gab right now.

00:58:35.000 Go to Gab.

00:58:35.000 Go to Gab and let's see what's on the front page.

00:58:38.000 Yeah.

00:58:40.000 Is he on there?

00:58:43.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:58:44.000 That fucking dude, you want to talk about the power of deplasforming? 1.00

00:58:47.000 I've never been to him. 1.00

00:58:48.000 He's been unpersoned.

00:58:50.000 It's interesting what pops up at the start.

00:58:52.000 Candace Owen, right away, you vaccine cultists swore up and down your vaccine would keep you safe from the virus.

00:58:57.000 It's a repost from an account called Morpheus Maga.

00:59:00.000 Okay, but this is a repost from her Twitter account.

00:59:02.000 Right.

00:59:04.000 Okay, what else here?

00:59:05.000 Omicron beats worldwide.

00:59:07.000 Deaths worldwide skyrocketed from zero to zero.

00:59:11.000 So a lot of this is like reposting people on Twitter.

00:59:14.000 A lot of it is COVID stuff.

00:59:16.000 Yeah.

00:59:17.000 Which is hilarious.

00:59:19.000 See, yeah, exactly.

00:59:20.000 And it's very clearly like a right-wing popular.

00:59:24.000 So my question though, quick, just as a person, I've never been to Gab, this is a feed that they're curating?

00:59:29.000 It says Hot Post, but like, it says Hot Post, so most of those, like, it's curated by somebody.

00:59:36.000 Okay, Morpheus Maga.

00:59:37.000 Here's the question.

00:59:38.000 Not this particular one, but how many of these people are Russians?

00:59:41.000 How many of them? 0.99

00:59:42.000 How many of them are Russians pretending to be Americans, trying to stir up shit? 1.00

00:59:47.000 Did you see that they found out that 19 of the top 20 Facebook pages that were Christian pages were run by Russians? 0.99

00:59:53.000 I saw that and I've also seen a lot of reports that they will go into groups on Facebook purely to serve them disinformation.

01:00:01.000 They'll find little pockets and communities and specifically join them, be one of them, and then try to radicalize them. 0.99

01:00:07.000 Yeah, just start talking shit. 0.95

01:00:08.000 Try to take them further and further right the way TikTok tries to take people further and further left. 0.98

01:00:13.000 Be kind of a fun job, honestly.

01:00:16.000 Listen, they're hilarious.

01:00:18.000 Unmask.

01:00:19.000 Forced to mask.

01:00:20.000 Fly in.

01:00:21.000 A mask you can breathe in.

01:00:23.000 What is... 1.00

01:00:24.000 Oh, is that like a bullshit mask? 1.00

01:00:26.000 Yeah, it's like a fake mask. 1.00

01:00:28.000 A hot girl. 0.95

01:00:30.000 A hot, Republican, ruthless girl. 1.00

01:00:34.000 Right.

01:00:35.000 See, so clearly Gab has a bias, and even their Twitter account where it's the owners of Gab, it's all right-wing tweets just from them personally.

01:00:42.000 But I don't want to join a platform where everyone thinks the same.

01:00:45.000 And say what you will about Twitter, they ban a lot of people who think differently.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, look at this one.

01:00:50.000 QAnon76.

01:00:51.000 Why do they have so many stars?

01:00:53.000 That's on their account name, but I believe that.

01:00:55.000 They have five stars?

01:00:56.000 They're all verified.

01:00:57.000 All these accounts are verified.

01:00:58.000 Ah, verified.

01:00:59.000 I want to get verified.

01:01:00.000 I think.

01:01:01.000 They have a Let's Go Brandon boat.

01:01:03.000 Look at that boat.

01:01:04.000 And tell me it doesn't smell like farts.

01:01:07.000 You know that boat smells like farts.

01:01:09.000 You know those people eating bad food.

01:01:09.000 It smells like doo-doo for sure.

01:01:11.000 Keep scrolling.

01:01:13.000 Come on, man.

01:01:14.000 If you made a gab, you would trend on Twitter and people would be dragging you probably if you had a gab.

01:01:17.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:01:18.000 They would come for me.

01:01:19.000 But it's like, what else can they come for me for?

01:01:23.000 It's already been so much.

01:01:24.000 Did you see Vice News came at us for the RV stream?

01:01:27.000 The RV? Oh.

01:01:28.000 The Tim Bould thing.

01:01:29.000 Wow. 0.99

01:01:30.000 They called me far right in that article, which is so fucking ridiculous. 0.99

01:01:34.000 Vice is so weird. 0.99

01:01:36.000 I know.

01:01:36.000 There's a great meme for Vice.

01:01:39.000 I'll send it to Jamie. 0.97

01:01:41.000 What Vice used to be was these people that would go to these fucking crazy war-torn countries and give you like a real... 0.95

01:01:51.000 They had great human interest pieces. 0.98

01:01:52.000 Yeah, they had great human interest pieces.

01:01:55.000 This one piece that I talk about all the time was Haimo's Arctic Adventure about this guy who lives in way north Alaska who lives off the land.

01:02:05.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:02:06.000 Top trending story on...

01:02:08.000 Murder by 5G frequency.

01:02:10.000 See what I mean?

01:02:12.000 Come on, man.

01:02:13.000 Is that real?

01:02:15.000 I mean, is that really a Russian or is that like a real person?

01:02:18.000 See?

01:02:18.000 This is the question.

01:02:19.000 All right, Jamie, I'm sending you this meme.

01:02:21.000 This meme is the perfect example of vice.

01:02:25.000 Look at this.

01:02:25.000 Watch this meme.

01:02:27.000 I love memes.

01:02:28.000 I think that memes are one of the most interesting things that come out of the internet because it's a totally new form of humor.

01:02:34.000 It did not exist before.

01:02:37.000 And they're powerful.

01:02:37.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:02:38.000 I will go to the most war-torn places on earth to expose dirty politics then and now. 0.95

01:02:44.000 Ten reasons why SpongeBob is homophobic. 0.96

01:02:46.000 Right. 0.67

01:02:47.000 I mean, spot on, really.

01:02:48.000 Spot on!

01:02:49.000 Spot on. 1.00

01:02:50.000 It's really a bunch of fucking freaks that work there. 0.99

01:02:52.000 It is, but it's also, there's a market, right? 1.00

01:02:56.000 Like if you're working for TMZ, you're trying to catch a celebrity drunk, cheating on their wife, walking out of a club, holding hands with the wrong person.

01:03:04.000 That's what the TMZ wants, right?

01:03:05.000 They want to get dirt on celebrities. 1.00

01:03:08.000 They want to catch you at the airport talking shit, right? 1.00

01:03:10.000 Hey, Blair, what do you think about this? 1.00

01:03:12.000 Like, I think fuck him. 1.00

01:03:14.000 And they're like, oh, Blair says fuck him! 1.00

01:03:15.000 And then head to headlines, rah! 1.00

01:03:18.000 But that's their business.

01:03:19.000 Like, you can't get mad.

01:03:20.000 That's their business.

01:03:21.000 I have a lot of friends that are comics that were, like, struggling comics that used to work for TMZ. And I would see them at the airport all the time.

01:03:28.000 And I'd be like, bro, not today.

01:03:29.000 I've had zero sleep. 1.00

01:03:30.000 I'll say something stupid. 1.00

01:03:31.000 And we laugh. 1.00

01:03:32.000 But that's what they do.

01:03:33.000 That's their thing.

01:03:35.000 This is what Vice's thing is now.

01:03:37.000 Their thing is politically hard left-leaning and then exaggerate the perspectives of anybody that's in the news that might have anything questionable because that's how you get people to click on things, like calling you far-right or calling me right at all.

01:03:52.000 At all, yeah. 0.97

01:03:53.000 And if I'm far right, then where the fuck is the line? 0.57

01:03:56.000 What they say about me now is I have increasing ties to the far right. 0.97

01:04:01.000 Because they can't say I'm right wing because I'm not.

01:04:03.000 So they say increasing ties to the far right.

01:04:07.000 Yeah, that's what they did.

01:04:08.000 What does that even mean?

01:04:10.000 I don't know.

01:04:11.000 I mean, granted, we had Alex Jones in the RV, right?

01:04:14.000 But the thing about Alex Jones is, like, I see him as sort of like the Internet's collective crazy uncle. 0.98

01:04:22.000 He's the uncle who, like, he's going to be rambling, he's going to be saying crazy shit, and you're going to be tuning him out half the time. 0.96

01:04:28.000 Then every once in a while, he just drops a nugget, and you're like... 0.99

01:04:31.000 Oh, yeah, that's totally right, but chill.

01:04:33.000 I wish that whole Sandy Hook thing had never happened.

01:04:36.000 I know.

01:04:37.000 Because if he had never had that crazy perspective, people would have a different take on him.

01:04:43.000 Because now that's all they bring up.

01:04:45.000 And what he said was very unfortunate.

01:04:48.000 He hates that he did it.

01:04:50.000 But Alex was going through an episode.

01:04:53.000 I've known Alex for 23 years.

01:04:56.000 He's a great guy.

01:04:57.000 I was out with him the other night.

01:04:58.000 He's a lot of fun.

01:05:00.000 He came to the comedy show at Vulcan.

01:05:01.000 We got married.

01:05:02.000 I know you got married.

01:05:03.000 He is a sweet guy.

01:05:05.000 People get the wrong impression of him, but it's because of that whole thing.

01:05:10.000 But he had gone through an episode where he was drinking multiple bottles of alcohol a day, and he was having these psychotic breaks.

01:05:19.000 He legitimately was.

01:05:20.000 That was during the Sandy Hook time?

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 And I think a lot of it like he was going, I mean, and this is not an excuse, but this is just the reality.

01:05:28.000 He pays so much attention to these conspiracies.

01:05:34.000 And for the longest time, people were saying that he's just crazy.

01:05:38.000 But one of the things that's come up over this pandemic and, you know, and leading up to the current state that we're at now is that people are realizing that a lot of the things he called are happening.

01:05:51.000 He said they were going to institute some sort of a vaccine passport.

01:05:55.000 You wouldn't be allowed to travel.

01:05:57.000 People are like, that's crazy.

01:05:58.000 They were going to move us towards some sort of social credit system.

01:06:01.000 They're absolutely trying to do that.

01:06:02.000 That's exactly what's happening.

01:06:03.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 He was talking about human monkey chimeras. 0.98

01:06:06.000 There's another meme, because I fucking love memes. 0.99

01:06:08.000 He's like, well, the water turning the frogs gay, and, like, it was! 1.00

01:06:11.000 Well, it was actually making them hermaphrodites. 0.84

01:06:14.000 Change genders, yeah. 0.99

01:06:15.000 Yes.

01:06:15.000 And there's an Alex Jones was right tip jar meme that I love.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, I love that.

01:06:20.000 It's just filled up.

01:06:21.000 But then there's also, like, all the different things that he's, like, it's like, you are here now, because it'll show, like, all the things that he said that he predicted that people were like, this is bullshit. 0.99

01:06:31.000 Here it is. 0.86

01:06:32.000 I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:06:33.000 And it really just begs the question, like, are people, you either believe people are the sum total of their mistakes or they're not.

01:06:39.000 So, like, I think that the Sandy Hook thing with Alec Jones was egregious.

01:06:43.000 I don't agree with it.

01:06:44.000 I think that it was a huge mistake on his part.

01:06:46.000 He thinks it was a huge mistake.

01:06:47.000 But I don't think that the rest of his life has to be tied to that.

01:06:51.000 Exactly.

01:06:52.000 Like, look at this.

01:06:53.000 This is the, you are here.

01:06:55.000 Here's TV spying on you.

01:06:56.000 Check. 0.97

01:06:57.000 Elite cabal of sex traffickers.

01:06:59.000 That Ghislaine Maxwell, Ghislaine, whatever.

01:07:01.000 It's going on right now, the trial.

01:07:03.000 They're turning to frogs. 1.00

01:07:04.000 Gay frogs. 1.00

01:07:05.000 Check. 0.99

01:07:05.000 Bohemian Grove. 0.99

01:07:06.000 Check.

01:07:07.000 Silver iodide.

01:07:07.000 Check.

01:07:08.000 Rich people using baby blood.

01:07:10.000 Check.

01:07:11.000 And right there, you are here.

01:07:12.000 Human monkey chimeras. 0.98

01:07:14.000 Right.

01:07:15.000 And then next is interdimensional elves.

01:07:17.000 And you and I have both experienced elves.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, I experienced that the other day.

01:07:22.000 But yeah, the thing about Alex Jones is I think that people do have a really wrong image of him.

01:07:27.000 I think he's a really nice guy.

01:07:28.000 In fact, when I first started on YouTube and on the internet, one of the first people that ever reached out was him.

01:07:35.000 He had this really long message, novel-like message about how much I was inspiring him as a person, how much he loved me and what I was doing.

01:07:42.000 I was like, really?

01:07:43.000 Yeah, I'm telling you.

01:07:45.000 It's okay, it's just water.

01:07:46.000 People just have the wrong...

01:07:47.000 It's okay, Jamie.

01:07:48.000 Oh, there's a chord. 1.00

01:07:50.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:07:52.000 Probably would be alright. 1.00

01:07:53.000 There's just power.

01:07:54.000 It's sound, not power.

01:07:56.000 People have...

01:07:57.000 They have an impression based on one absolute mistake.

01:08:02.000 The worst of what he's done, yeah.

01:08:04.000 And it is a mistake, you know?

01:08:05.000 But I believe, and I think this is something that we should all subscribe to, I believe in forgiveness. 0.97

01:08:12.000 We have to have that as a He didn't fucking kill someone, dude. 0.53

01:08:14.000 Yeah, and as human beings, there has to be room for error. 0.85

01:08:20.000 And there has to be a point where you...

01:08:23.000 Because otherwise, we're just going to try to destroy everyone.

01:08:25.000 Because everyone has something that you could point to, especially if you exaggerated it or distorted it, or someone gave an account of an event that was inaccurate, and then people...

01:08:37.000 Like they did with Kyle Rittenhouse.

01:08:39.000 They point to this one...

01:08:46.000 And he's like 18. And so the rest of his life, he will be seen as a white supremacist unless there's a huge cultural shift and we stop giving a fuck about buzzwords like that. 0.99

01:08:57.000 He'll be seen as that forever because Joe Biden called him that. 0.98

01:09:00.000 Well, Joe Biden's going to get sued.

01:09:02.000 I hope so.

01:09:03.000 Oh, he's going to get sued.

01:09:04.000 I hope so.

01:09:04.000 I think that kid is lawyered up, and I think they're going to slowly figure out what to do.

01:09:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:09.000 And there's a lot of people that are fucked, including the ladies on The View. 0.99

01:09:12.000 They're fucked. 1.00

01:09:14.000 They said heinous shit about him. 1.00

01:09:16.000 That is a heinous marketplace. 1.00

01:09:17.000 That's what they're dealing with.

01:09:18.000 That View, all they're doing is selling hate.

01:09:20.000 I would love to go on The View, though.

01:09:22.000 Would you?

01:09:22.000 I would have so much fun.

01:09:24.000 They would just talk over you, though.

01:09:26.000 That's what they did.

01:09:26.000 This lady the other day, this lady who, I don't know what was wrong with her, that she couldn't take the vaccine, but they were, like, barking at her.

01:09:34.000 Jedediah Biela?

01:09:34.000 Yeah, they were just, they wouldn't even let her talk.

01:09:36.000 Yeah.

01:09:37.000 She was trying to explain that her doctor told her not to take the vaccine because she has some sort of predisposed condition.

01:09:43.000 I don't know what it was, and she didn't want to divulge it.

01:09:47.000 It could be just, like...

01:09:50.000 Aaron Rodgers.

01:09:51.000 Aaron Rodgers has an allergy to, what is it again? 1.00

01:09:54.000 Propylene, glycol, some shit? 0.99

01:09:56.000 He's one of the main ingredients in the lipid nanoparticles or whatever it is in the vaccine. 0.99

01:10:04.000 It's an ingredient that he's literally allergic to.

01:10:06.000 So he would go into shock.

01:10:08.000 Like he would go into an, what's it called?

01:10:11.000 What's it called?

01:10:12.000 Anaphylactic?

01:10:13.000 What is that?

01:10:14.000 Anaphylactic shock?

01:10:15.000 When you have an allergic reaction?

01:10:17.000 That's the thing.

01:10:18.000 It's like one size fits all doesn't work in life anywhere.

01:10:21.000 So why would it work with the vaccine?

01:10:23.000 I just don't understand that.

01:10:25.000 Like for me, we were talking about this earlier.

01:10:26.000 For me, once I started hearing about heart issues, I was like, well, let me just pause.

01:10:32.000 That doesn't mean I won't maybe in the future make a different decision.

01:10:35.000 But as I mean now, I'm like, I'm just going to chill on that.

01:10:37.000 Yeah.

01:10:37.000 Well, you're 28. You're in very good health.

01:10:40.000 You exercise all the time.

01:10:42.000 You're at a low risk category anyway.

01:10:44.000 Right.

01:10:44.000 And I'm on estrogen, which increases my risk of blood clot.

01:10:47.000 Why do I want to double up with a vaccine?

01:10:48.000 Estrogen increases your risk of blood clots?

01:10:50.000 Really?

01:10:50.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 That's why whenever I have friends that are male to female trans and I see them smoking a cigarette, I'm like, fucking stop. 1.00

01:10:56.000 You're going to die. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Oh, really? 1.00

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:58.000 Because that's one thing with girls on birth control. 1.00

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 It's very similar to medications.

01:11:03.000 Oh, that's right.

01:11:04.000 Because birth control is estrogen, right?

01:11:06.000 Yeah.

01:11:07.000 It makes you hella emotional, gain weight easy, and blood clots.

01:11:11.000 And blood clots.

01:11:12.000 But you can shoot loads inside of people and nothing happens.

01:11:15.000 Wait, what do you mean? 0.93

01:11:16.000 For girls.

01:11:16.000 Oh, okay.

01:11:17.000 We're on birth control pills.

01:11:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:18.000 I was going to say, okay.

01:11:20.000 It's crazy that there's only one option other than condoms and IUDs and IUDs is kind of, I don't know if they work 100% of the time.

01:11:30.000 Do they?

01:11:30.000 I don't know.

01:11:31.000 But also birth control, there are a lot of negative aspects for young girls that are on it.

01:11:36.000 And so the idea that your daughter turns 13 and you're putting on birth control, it's like, well, maybe chill on that.

01:11:45.000 Well, you know, it's like people don't want unwanted pregnancies, which totally makes sense. 1.00

01:11:49.000 And the thing about human nature is when people get horny and they're together and they're alone, and especially when they're young, they're going to do stupid shit. 1.00

01:11:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:56.000 You know, it's just part of being a human being. 1.00

01:11:59.000 I also couldn't imagine raising, like, teenage girls or dealing with that at all.

01:12:03.000 So I have no perspective on, like, how to keep them from getting pregnant. 0.99

01:12:07.000 I mean, I've done it.

01:12:08.000 I'm in the middle of it right now.

01:12:09.000 It's not the worst.

01:12:10.000 Don't you have only daughters? 0.54

01:12:11.000 Yeah.

01:12:12.000 Yeah, they're all girls.

01:12:13.000 I think it's so funny.

01:12:14.000 Sometimes I make jokes about stuff, though, and they go, that's not funny, dad.

01:12:17.000 That's not funny.

01:12:18.000 I'm like, okay, okay, okay.

01:12:19.000 I think it's funny that you ended up just being a girl dad.

01:12:22.000 Because it's like, you're like, you, in terms of your public image, is very masculine.

01:12:27.000 And then you just have a bunch of girls. 0.94

01:12:29.000 It's really funny.

01:12:29.000 I think the universe is teaching me something.

01:12:31.000 Probably balances you out a lot.

01:12:32.000 Yeah, it definitely does.

01:12:33.000 It balances me out.

01:12:34.000 It gives me a much better perspective on how women think. 1.00

01:12:38.000 Not just to be married and be married to a woman, but to see little women grow up and become adults. 0.99

01:12:48.000 If you're a man, especially if you do men-oriented shit like I did my whole life, my whole life was... 0.98

01:12:56.000 I did, you know, fighting, which is very male-oriented. 0.98

01:13:00.000 Then stand-up comedy, which is pretty male-oriented.

01:13:03.000 I mean, I've made friends with a lot of female comedians, and I know them, but a lot of them are pretty... 1.00

01:13:08.000 They're pretty hardcore. 0.99

01:13:11.000 Like, the shit that they say sometimes is more fucked up than the things a lot of the guys say. 1.00

01:13:16.000 I have some fucking group texts that I get into with my female comedian friends, and they say shit that I'm like, Jesus Christ! 1.00

01:13:23.000 They're funny. 0.99

01:13:24.000 I was saying that on the way up here.

01:13:25.000 I was like, I was like, I know Buck Angel's been on here, so I'm not the only trans person ever here, but I'm probably the least masculine person to ever be on this podcast.

01:13:33.000 Because even a lot of the women that come on, it's like Danica Patrick. 1.00

01:13:36.000 It's like, you know, just cool shit. 0.99

01:13:38.000 It's like... 1.00

01:13:38.000 She's a NASCAR driver. 1.00

01:13:40.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:13:40.000 You gotta be fucking badass to go 250 miles an hour or whatever they do. 0.99

01:13:44.000 You gotta be a crazy person. 1.00

01:13:46.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:46.000 I couldn't imagine. 1.00

01:13:47.000 She's a crazy person, but in a good way. 0.93

01:13:49.000 You know, she's intense. 0.98

01:13:50.000 Yeah.

01:13:51.000 But I don't know if you're the most feminine. 0.99

01:13:53.000 I've had some pretty feminine people, but you're up there. 1.00

01:13:55.000 I was just looking through the list of all your recent episodes. 0.97

01:13:58.000 It's all just like fighters and fucking Michael Malice, who I love. 0.98

01:14:02.000 I love Michael Malice. 0.99

01:14:03.000 I do too.

01:14:04.000 He's become a very, very dear friend very quickly.

01:14:06.000 He's a great guy.

01:14:07.000 He's a funny dude, too.

01:14:08.000 Very smart.

01:14:09.000 And when he trolls people on Instagram, like, oh my god.

01:14:12.000 Like, after the Alex Baldwin accident, I was like, oh my god, I can't even read these.

01:14:15.000 I know.

01:14:16.000 Every time I opened my phone was a new tweet about, like, Alex Baldwin killing people.

01:14:19.000 We moved here on the same day, so we kind of, like, figured out Austin together.

01:14:23.000 And, like, I think on paper people would be like, how are they friends?

01:14:26.000 But, like, we've gotten really close really quick.

01:14:28.000 I don't know how, but... 1.00

01:14:29.000 I think that on paper shit is nonsense. 1.00

01:14:31.000 Yeah, that's true. 1.00

01:14:31.000 If it's on paper, it's not about life. 1.00

01:14:32.000 You have to be open to different people.

01:14:37.000 It's educational.

01:14:38.000 It's good for you.

01:14:39.000 It's good for you to have different friends with different perspectives.

01:14:43.000 I've got some hardcore lefty friends.

01:14:46.000 And then I've got some hardcore right-wing friends.

01:14:49.000 And I love them all.

01:14:51.000 I don't agree with them all.

01:14:53.000 I don't agree with them on a lot of things.

01:14:55.000 On both sides, I don't agree with them on a lot of things.

01:14:57.000 But I think...

01:14:58.000 The people that have that mindset that you have to only be around like-minded individuals.

01:15:06.000 What kind of life is that?

01:15:07.000 It's terrible for you.

01:15:08.000 Yeah.

01:15:10.000 I often say I don't have a tribe.

01:15:12.000 I think online a lot of people, first of all, people call me a conservative commentator.

01:15:17.000 I'm like, am I really?

01:15:18.000 No.

01:15:20.000 Who's the first person to label you a conservative commentator?

01:15:23.000 I actually think it might have been Alex Jones.

01:15:26.000 He did?

01:15:26.000 I think because that was the first show I ever did was his show years ago.

01:15:30.000 And I think like the title of it was like trans conservative commentary. 1.00

01:15:33.000 And I was like, fuck. 1.00

01:15:33.000 Oh no, Alex, you son of a bitch. 1.00

01:15:36.000 I know. 1.00

01:15:36.000 I'm like, I get how that benefits you. 1.00

01:15:38.000 But now I'm like, then my Wikipedia page, I'm like, fuck. 0.97

01:15:41.000 But like, if anything, I'm more so center, right? 0.63

01:15:43.000 But like you said, it's like if you don't have friends from all over the spectrum in every area of life, what kind of life are you really living?

01:15:49.000 When I first met Alex, he was getting arrested for protesting George W. Bush when George W. Bush was running for president.

01:15:58.000 He was talking about all the ties that George W. Bush had to elitists and globalists and that they wanted to start wars and do all these things.

01:16:06.000 He was the guy that was attacking just people that were in positions of power that were corrupt or that were doing illegal things.

01:16:14.000 On the campaign trail, I think it was, that was one of the first times I ever saw him get arrested.

01:16:20.000 In my mind, if you just like erase all the labels you put on people like an Alex Jones or even you or me, it's like if you just take away all those labels and what society is describing them as, to me, he just seems more like an anti-statist than anything.

01:16:32.000 To me, he's just more so that.

01:16:34.000 I mean, I know he's definitely more right, but he just seems to rail against the state more than anything. 0.95

01:16:38.000 Yeah, and he's fucking hilarious. 0.90

01:16:41.000 The dude is hilarious. 0.95

01:16:43.000 Like, he's one of the funniest guys.

01:16:45.000 Like, when he goes on Andrew Schultz's show, like, Jesus Christ, he's funny. 0.99

01:16:49.000 He's funny as fuck. 0.99

01:16:50.000 After the last stream we did with him in it, I just kept having these recurring, like, PTSD-like visions of hearing, child rape! 0.99

01:16:57.000 I've got the documents!

01:16:58.000 Like, just over and over again.

01:17:00.000 It's so funny. 0.99

01:17:01.000 Well, he used to always tell me about this Epstein shit. 0.99

01:17:04.000 He told me about it more than a decade ago, and I was like, wait a minute, what? 1.00

01:17:07.000 And he was like, there's a fucking island. 0.99

01:17:09.000 They take him to this island. 1.00

01:17:10.000 They compromise him.

01:17:11.000 They have hidden cameras.

01:17:12.000 They get them all licked up, and then they bring him around.

01:17:14.000 These are beautiful women. 1.00

01:17:15.000 They don't know.

01:17:16.000 They probably don't even know that these girls are underage. 1.00

01:17:18.000 And next thing you know, they got video of them fucking these underage girls. 1.00

01:17:21.000 And that's how they get policies passed, and this and that, and they have all this dirt on people, and then they bring in other people to the fold, and they'll reach out, they'll try to bring other people in, like, really? 0.99

01:17:32.000 Flash forward.

01:17:33.000 Yeah, I was at the time, he was saying that, I was like, this is crazy.

01:17:36.000 It was one of them crazy things that he says.

01:17:38.000 But then I remember Bohemian Grove, because he was always talking about Bohemian Grove.

01:17:42.000 Like, there's a place they go, they worship Molech, the owl god, they have these guys, they dress in robes.

01:17:47.000 That's the impression, I can't...

01:17:48.000 When he was saying that, I was like, what? 0.99

01:17:50.000 There's a fucking... 1.00

01:17:51.000 They worship an owl god? 1.00

01:17:53.000 But that's why it sucks so much that he went so hard in the paint with Sandy Hook and with the...

01:17:58.000 What's the name of that pizza place that he was saying?

01:18:00.000 Did he go with Pizzagate?

01:18:01.000 Yeah.

01:18:02.000 He went in with Pizzagate, too?

01:18:03.000 Yeah, he did.

01:18:04.000 Whoops. 0.95

01:18:06.000 I'm telling you though this like his perspective is so skewed because a lot of times first of all the guy feels like very alone right he feels like people shun him and you know he's alone with all this information and he's constantly drinking at the time at least and he feels like he has these moments where he can't tell what's real and what's fake because there's so much that is real When you find out all this shit about Fuck Island with Maxwell and Epstein 0.95

01:18:36.000 is real.

01:18:37.000 When you find out that the government really did do a thing called Operation Northwoods where they're planning on blowing up a drone jetliner and blaming it on the Cubans and It's like arming Cuban friendlies and having them attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers, and they were going to blame this on Cuba so we could go to war with Cuba. 0.60

01:18:55.000 He was telling me about that years ago, too. 0.99

01:18:56.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.90

01:18:58.000 But then you read about it in the Freedom of Information Act, and you're like, oh my God, this is all true. 0.99

01:19:02.000 This is all true.

01:19:04.000 He's...

01:19:08.000 We're good to go. 0.99

01:19:23.000 For a living, especially about these types of issues for as long as he has and not had some fucking things you were wrong about. 0.98

01:19:29.000 His were big though. 0.97

01:19:31.000 Yeah, his were big.

01:19:32.000 The thing is about, it's like little kids getting shot is the worst thing you could be wrong about.

01:19:36.000 Yeah, there's not much worse.

01:19:37.000 That's the problem.

01:19:38.000 It's just, I mean, it's being wrong about a thing.

01:19:41.000 It's not doing a thing that's wrong.

01:19:42.000 It's being wrong about a thing, but it's still. 0.98

01:19:44.000 Yeah, but I still say, he didn't fucking kill anyone. 0.99

01:19:46.000 He didn't fucking rape anyone. 0.96

01:19:48.000 He has a right to move on from these things eventually. 0.99

01:19:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:53.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:19:54.000 That's what I think. 0.98

01:19:55.000 But I think what he needs, honestly, like, I tell him this all the time, like, he says so much wacky shit, but a lot of it's true. 0.97

01:20:03.000 What he needs is like a hardcore journalist as, like, if I was running a network, And I had a show. 0.90

01:20:10.000 I would have Alex Jones with, like, some hardcore, like, objective journalist.

01:20:18.000 And they would go over things.

01:20:20.000 And Alex would talk about stuff, and this guy would pull up the data and the information and go, hold on a second, Alex.

01:20:26.000 Let's look at this.

01:20:27.000 It's a good show idea.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, like someone who balances him out.

01:20:30.000 Because he'll go off the rails.

01:20:32.000 He gets deeper and deeper.

01:20:33.000 They're trying to depopulation!

01:20:34.000 They're trying to ruin our lives! 1.00

01:20:36.000 Child rape! 0.99

01:20:36.000 They're trying to bring us into camps! 0.99

01:20:38.000 Yeah.

01:20:38.000 And you go, they're not going to bring anybody into camps.

01:20:40.000 Alex, it's 2021. And then you watch Australia.

01:20:43.000 And then there's like camps in Australia where people are going because of COVID. It's like you lose your fucking mind sometimes when you realize that he is right about some of these things. 0.99

01:20:48.000 But then the Australians are like defending it. 1.00

01:20:50.000 You don't understand our country.

01:20:51.000 It's just a camp.

01:20:52.000 It's no big deal.

01:20:54.000 It's nice over there. 0.99

01:20:55.000 Yeah, they posted propaganda pictures of like these like hot models, like chilling, sun tanning, all this shit. 0.98

01:21:01.000 And it's like- They're doing TikToks in the camp. 1.00

01:21:03.000 Yeah, it's like just some hot bitch in a bikini doing a TikTok. 1.00

01:21:07.000 It's like, oh, okay. 1.00

01:21:10.000 But that's what is the difference between here and Australia is I think we have guns.

01:21:15.000 That is a big difference.

01:21:16.000 And I think that that severely mitigates the amount of tyranny we can face.

01:21:21.000 Although, if you would have asked me two years ago if we'd be where we are here, I would have said, no. 0.98

01:21:27.000 No fucking way. 0.98

01:21:27.000 This is America. 0.98

01:21:28.000 So many factors just all came together in one moment in history.

01:21:33.000 So much fear, and then isolation, and then anxiety, and then this new crazy perspective that these pharmaceutical drug companies are looking out for you.

01:21:44.000 Which is like they've never been looking out for you.

01:21:47.000 But that's what's crazy is that so this this blind faith in big pharma from what I can see seems to be coming from the left in recent years.

01:21:54.000 But traditionally they were very distrustful of big pharma.

01:21:57.000 It's just because that you know that Trump guy got out of office.

01:22:01.000 If Trump was still in office, like you said, they would all be anti-pharmaceuticals.

01:22:05.000 It would be really interesting to see where this country would be in terms of therapeutics and what our perspective would be about vaccine injuries if Trump was still president.

01:22:16.000 Because if there was a VAERS report, which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, if that reporting system was Mm-hmm.

01:22:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:22:47.000 I saw a headline today that was like, Pfizer CEO says another shot will be needed. 0.99

01:22:52.000 And I'm like, who the fuck elected the Pfizer CEO to tell me what I have to put in my body to be a part of society? 0.99

01:22:58.000 Do we vote on this? 0.99

01:23:00.000 No.

01:23:01.000 You can definitely listen to them.

01:23:02.000 They have no vested interest in you taking another shot.

01:23:04.000 It's not like they make any more money off of it.

01:23:06.000 It's fine.

01:23:07.000 Don't sweat it.

01:23:08.000 And all this Omicron, even though it's killed zero people ever, it might kill somebody someday.

01:23:13.000 We have to act now.

01:23:14.000 Right, and it's the unvaccinated people's fault that the Omicron is here. 0.99

01:23:18.000 And it's a virus of the unvaccinated, apparently.

01:23:22.000 Yeah, even though the first cases were shown in vaccinated people.

01:23:25.000 In California?

01:23:26.000 No, it was in Africa.

01:23:27.000 It came to California, and it was a vaccinated person in California, too.

01:23:30.000 Not a vaccinated person, a boosted person.

01:23:33.000 Yeah, vaccinated and boosted.

01:23:35.000 I think it was in New York.

01:23:37.000 But the thing is, they're blaming it on South Africa, but the people that showed up positive, all of them were from other countries, and they traveled to South Africa and then showed symptoms of it.

01:23:51.000 They could have easily brought it with them.

01:23:53.000 And this is what the South African people are saying.

01:23:55.000 They're like, we don't have a problem with this virus.

01:23:57.000 People brought it here.

01:23:59.000 And now you're saying that you're going to ban travel from South Africa.

01:24:04.000 And that's what they've done.

01:24:05.000 That's what the Biden administration has done.

01:24:07.000 Like, one of Bridget Phetasy's friends is stuck over in South Africa.

01:24:11.000 Oh, really?

01:24:11.000 Yeah, they went over there on a vacation.

01:24:13.000 Like, oh, fuck. 1.00

01:24:13.000 Right, but travel bans are racist if it's a Republican president that doesn't. 1.00

01:24:16.000 Yes.

01:24:17.000 And for some reason, you're allowed to call it the South Africa strain.

01:24:23.000 Right.

01:24:24.000 How come?

01:24:24.000 Right.

01:24:25.000 Because it's different rules.

01:24:26.000 You can't call it the China virus, but you can call it the South African strain.

01:24:29.000 Right.

01:24:30.000 So here's my question.

01:24:31.000 So I'm 28. And you're older than me.

01:24:35.000 54. Okay.

01:24:36.000 And have you ever seen anything like this before?

01:24:39.000 Nothing.

01:24:39.000 Where it's papers to go to Applebee's?

01:24:41.000 Nothing.

01:24:41.000 No.

01:24:42.000 No, it's never happened before.

01:24:43.000 It didn't even happen during the Spanish flu.

01:24:45.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:46.000 A lot of fucking people died during the Spanish flu. 1.00

01:24:48.000 The Spanish flu is way worse than this. 1.00

01:24:49.000 Because we talked to Joey's grandmother, who's 97, and worked for the CIA her entire life. 1.00

01:24:54.000 She probably knows some crazy shit. 1.00

01:24:55.000 She probably knows some shit. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Actually, her whole family worked for the CIA. Ask her about UFOs. 1.00

01:25:00.000 Okay, so I did.

01:25:01.000 Yeah?

01:25:02.000 And she looks at me with the most stoic, like, And then she just looked away.

01:25:08.000 Like, she pretended like she didn't hear me.

01:25:09.000 I'm like, okay.

01:25:10.000 There's something she knows.

01:25:12.000 And she's not the kind of person to, like, mess with you. 1.00

01:25:14.000 Like, she legitimately probably processed, like... 1.00

01:25:16.000 Can I tell this bitch? 1.00

01:25:18.000 No, I can't. 1.00

01:25:18.000 Yeah, this bitch is not... 1.00

01:25:19.000 This loudmouth bitch. 1.00

01:25:20.000 What'd she do? 1.00

01:25:21.000 Talk shit on the internet for a living? 1.00

01:25:22.000 Okay. 1.00

01:25:23.000 I would be here so quick being like, I know someone on the CA. Right, you got a YouTube channel.

01:25:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:28.000 And it's ready to press play.

01:25:29.000 Right.

01:25:33.000 But she said, when I asked her, have you ever seen anything like this before?

01:25:36.000 She's 97. She said, hell no.

01:25:39.000 No, this is as bad as it's ever gotten in terms of the lack of rational thinking, the tribalism, the belief in the government that they have your best interests, the fact that they lie to you on a constant basis.

01:25:57.000 And people are just soaking it up.

01:25:59.000 What's interesting is this belief that I think everyone has, that our government has been capable of evil, incorrect things in the past, but they never believe that they're capable of it in the moment.

01:26:10.000 So we can admit that all these human rights violations have occurred, slavery, like what we did to the Asians, that group. 1.00

01:26:18.000 So you think that this can't be anything similar to that?

01:26:22.000 How about the Tuskegee experiment?

01:26:25.000 Tell me about that.

01:26:26.000 That is when, and I believe, Google this, I believe the Tuskegee experiment was run by the CDC. Make sure that's correct.

01:26:37.000 So what they did was they had African Americans who had syphilis and they pretended to give them treatment for syphilis, but they didn't. 0.91

01:26:48.000 They gave them nothing.

01:26:49.000 And then they allowed them to go and infect their family, infect their wives, infect their children that were born through that. 0.95

01:26:58.000 When was this?

01:26:59.000 Yeah, it was done by the CDC. Okay, between 1932 and 1972. So this is a 40 fucking year experiment.

01:27:09.000 This was happening while I was alive. 0.97

01:27:11.000 I was a small child at the time, but this was happening while I was alive.

01:27:16.000 The Tuskegee experiment, or the Tuskegee syphilis study, was an ethically abusive study. 1.00

01:27:22.000 That's a fucking... 0.99

01:27:24.000 That's a minor way of putting it. 1.00

01:27:39.000 Different people, obviously.

01:27:41.000 On a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis.

01:27:45.000 The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study, it was entirely treatable.

01:27:55.000 So by the end of the study, they had penicillin.

01:27:58.000 They had a treatment for it.

01:28:00.000 The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment and more than 100 died as a result.

01:28:06.000 So 100 out of 400 died.

01:28:09.000 They could have totally been treated and they would have been fine.

01:28:13.000 The Public Health Service started the study in 1932 in collaboration with the Tuskegee University.

01:28:18.000 Excuse me.

01:28:20.000 And then the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college in Alabama.

01:28:24.000 In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.

01:28:32.000 Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis with a control group of 201 men who were not infected.

01:28:39.000 As an incentive for participation in the study, the men were promised free medical care.

01:28:45.000 Jesus Christ.

01:28:46.000 Wow.

01:28:47.000 While the men were provided with both medical and mental care that they otherwise would not have received, they were deceived by the PHS who never informed them of their syphilis diagnosis and provided disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment for,

01:29:05.000 in quotes, bad blood.

01:29:08.000 The men were initially told the experiment was only going to last six months, but was extended to 40 years.

01:29:14.000 After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated.

01:29:22.000 None of the infected men were treated with penicillin.

01:29:25.000 Despite the fact, by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available and had become the standard treatment for syphilis.

01:29:34.000 That's insane and it really lends to the fact that there is a huge portion of the black community that's vaccine hesitant.

01:29:42.000 So for all the talk that there is about how this is a far right thing to somehow be trustful of vaccines, it's really just not true.

01:29:49.000 And then you think of cities like New York City where there's a vaccine passport and you can't go to restaurants and stuff.

01:29:53.000 It's like you're literally segregating black people.

01:29:56.000 I think the number is in the 70% range of African Americans in New York City that are unvaccinated.

01:30:03.000 Yeah.

01:30:04.000 And I follow a lot of Instagrams that are geared towards black people.

01:30:07.000 And you see, like, the Shade Room, for example.

01:30:10.000 And you see all the comments when a vaccine is talked about. 1.00

01:30:13.000 And all the comments are, like, from black people being like, yeah, this is bullshit. 1.00

01:30:16.000 I'm never taking it, never taking it. 0.99

01:30:17.000 It's, like, mainstream thought in a lot of segments of that community.

01:30:20.000 Whereas it's treated as if it's some far-right, white, hillbilly thing.

01:30:25.000 And it's like, actually, no.

01:30:26.000 Well, that was when they came after me.

01:30:28.000 And they came after me for saying that I got better quick.

01:30:31.000 Instead of looking at what I did and saying, what is he taking?

01:30:35.000 Like, how did this work?

01:30:36.000 The big one that I took, I'm pretty sure all of them helped.

01:30:40.000 But I think the big one was monoclonal antibodies.

01:30:43.000 If somebody asked me, do you think that ivermectin was what cured you?

01:30:47.000 I'm like, I'm sure it helped.

01:30:48.000 But I really think that monoclonal antibodies had the most effect because I've given it to people or had it given to people that I knew that had COVID that didn't get ivermectin.

01:30:57.000 And they got better quick.

01:30:58.000 Really quick.

01:30:59.000 Like within 24 hours.

01:31:00.000 Same as what happened with me.

01:31:01.000 And I think all those things helped.

01:31:05.000 But the fact that they were upset about that and never focused for a second on the fact that I got better so quickly.

01:31:12.000 That's what people should be looking at.

01:31:13.000 I was better in five days.

01:31:15.000 Not just better, but testing negative and working out in five days.

01:31:19.000 That's something that, and again, I'm not young.

01:31:22.000 I'm 54. So that's what people should be looking at, but that's not what they looked at.

01:31:26.000 And just the fact that it's not allowed to be, like, your autonomy and your own right to make decisions about your body and your health is so removed from the conversation at this point that it's a taboo to even bring it up or talk about it.

01:31:39.000 You're not allowed to discuss whether or not this option's right for you, the vaccine's right for you, it's not.

01:31:44.000 It's just, you're treated, we have these new categories of people, new classes of people, the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

01:31:50.000 But then you think of, like, that's the MO of the media, is creating categories, playing them against each other.

01:31:55.000 And now you literally have the population, not half, less than half that's not vaccinated.

01:31:59.000 It's so ironic that if Trump was still in office and we still had the same results, the narrative would be completely different.

01:32:07.000 It'd be the Trump vaccine.

01:32:08.000 That also goes back to living in two different realities.

01:32:11.000 There are a lot of people that think that Biden created the vaccine.

01:32:13.000 I've seen that said. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Because people started getting vaccinated in the Biden administration, so all these fucking idiots are just like, yeah, Biden brought the vaccine. 1.00

01:32:20.000 It's like, y'all are just... 1.00

01:32:23.000 He's creating shit in his pants. 1.00

01:32:26.000 He's probably like two years away from them removing him. 1.00

01:32:32.000 I would imagine.

01:32:33.000 I don't see him making a full term.

01:32:35.000 If he does, it'll be a miracle of science. 1.00

01:32:39.000 They'll be juicing him up with all kinds of shit. 1.00

01:32:41.000 Right. 0.99

01:32:41.000 I don't want anything to happen to him, but I cannot foresee... 0.99

01:32:43.000 No, I don't want anything to happen to him.

01:32:44.000 ...four years from now, him still...

01:32:46.000 I mean, you just see the decline.

01:32:48.000 If you watch interviews from even the beginning of the election cycle, when he was first announcing his candidacy, he just seems more there.

01:32:58.000 He's a lot less there now.

01:33:00.000 Well, the stress.

01:33:01.000 Stress of the job wrecks everybody.

01:33:04.000 Obama got a ton of gray hair during his term.

01:33:06.000 The only one that didn't affect is Trump. 1.00

01:33:09.000 Went like fucking water on a duck. 1.00

01:33:11.000 He just fucking shook it off. 1.00

01:33:12.000 I don't know how that was. 0.99

01:33:14.000 I mean, I know he gained a lot of weight. 0.60

01:33:15.000 He's always fat.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, he got fatter. 0.89

01:33:17.000 Did he get fatter?

01:33:18.000 I think he got a little fatter.

01:33:19.000 Probably celebrating.

01:33:20.000 Yeah, honestly.

01:33:21.000 I'm the president. 1.00

01:33:22.000 I'm going to eat fucking McDonald's. 1.00

01:33:23.000 Honestly. 0.99

01:33:24.000 There is something about the Trump era that I kind of miss in a sense, but I don't want him to run again.

01:33:29.000 I voted for him in the first time.

01:33:30.000 I voted for him both times.

01:33:31.000 Did you really?

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:33.000 That's why people think you're far right.

01:33:35.000 Exactly.

01:33:35.000 But it's like participating in the election and just choosing the lesser of two evils suddenly puts you on a far end extreme.

01:33:43.000 I don't get it.

01:33:44.000 I voted for Gary Johnson and then I voted for Joe Jorgensen.

01:33:47.000 So I voted libertarian both times.

01:33:49.000 So you're also why people say Trump happened?

01:33:51.000 Because you voted for third party?

01:33:53.000 I voted in a state where it always goes blue, no matter what.

01:33:59.000 It's almost like you vote barely count.

01:34:02.000 Yeah, I voted in California for Trump. 0.99

01:34:03.000 It didn't fucking matter. 0.98

01:34:04.000 It was almost just like, let's wake up and go vote. 0.98

01:34:06.000 There's not a chance in hell that a Republican is going to win in California unless something wild happens.

01:34:11.000 Which is kind of happening.

01:34:12.000 Yeah, I was shocked that Newsom wasn't recalled.

01:34:14.000 I mean, I guess part of me wasn't, but I had moved right before the recall election, and so all my friends were all uptight about it, and I'm like, peace.

01:34:21.000 I wasn't.

01:34:22.000 Because the thing is, Larry Elder was the most prominent person on the other side, and he's a radio guy.

01:34:31.000 Yeah.

01:34:31.000 It's like he's not some beloved character where everybody was like...

01:34:35.000 Like when Arnold Schwarzenegger won, when Gray got...

01:34:39.000 Was it Gray was his name?

01:34:42.000 I don't know.

01:34:43.000 I forget who the guy that Schwarzenegger replaced.

01:34:47.000 But when he got recalled, he was the first guy to get recalled, and Schwarzenegger won as a Republican.

01:34:54.000 That was crazy.

01:34:55.000 That was, I'm sure.

01:34:56.000 I was really young.

01:34:58.000 So you didn't have your hat in for Caitlyn?

01:35:02.000 I thought about having her on the podcast.

01:35:04.000 I think you absolutely should.

01:35:06.000 I think she's a very misunderstood person.

01:35:10.000 She invited me to dinner a couple years ago and I went and she just talked to her- Was it just her and you?

01:35:15.000 It was me, her, and her girlfriend.

01:35:19.000 It was like a romantic girlfriend, I believe, which is another thing.

01:35:23.000 She's a very nice person.

01:35:25.000 She just, I think, has been so famous for so long that it kind of has like warped her reality in a way.

01:35:31.000 But that doesn't happen to everyone though because I don't get the feeling like you have a warped sense of reality.

01:35:36.000 You're very down to earth.

01:35:37.000 And she wasn't like... 1.00

01:35:41.000 You could tell she saw the entire lens through how people perceived her and her entire worldview.

01:35:47.000 You have to invest your time in things that are absolute. 0.77

01:35:52.000 If you live in an ethereal world, the sort of like fucking vapor world of fame, it's a strange world that ebbs and flows with public opinion. 0.52

01:36:03.000 You can't rest your own self-belief and your own identity. 0.96

01:36:10.000 On other people's opinions.

01:36:11.000 It's too volatile. 1.00

01:36:13.000 You'll fucking kill yourself. 1.00

01:36:14.000 It's not sane. 1.00

01:36:15.000 It's not rational.

01:36:17.000 I invest an extraordinary amount of time in things that are undeniable.

01:36:23.000 Like whether it's rigorous exercise or archery or stand-up comedy.

01:36:30.000 If you're not funny, they'll give you a minute or two if you're famous.

01:36:33.000 They'll give you a minute.

01:36:35.000 You'll have like a minute on stage, and then like, where's the jokes, bro?

01:36:39.000 Where's the jokes? 0.99

01:36:40.000 Like, they're drinking and they're out, and they want you to suck. 0.99

01:36:42.000 Like, if you're not funny, then they want you to suck, because then it's a great story. 1.00

01:36:47.000 I went to see him, and he fucking bombed. 1.00

01:36:49.000 Like, that world is a world of absolutes. 0.99

01:36:53.000 Jiu-jitsu is a world of absolutes.

01:36:55.000 You either get tapped, or someone taps you.

01:36:57.000 It's real simple.

01:36:58.000 You're trying to strangle each other.

01:36:59.000 Like, how does it go down?

01:37:01.000 Like, when someone's trying to survive, and they're trying to get you, and you're trying to get them, That's a world of absolutes.

01:37:07.000 The things that I like are things like I like playing pool because either the ball goes in the hole or it doesn't.

01:37:12.000 It doesn't like you. 0.97

01:37:14.000 It doesn't give a fuck like how many TV shows you've been on or how many podcast episodes you've done. 1.00

01:37:20.000 The balls don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:37:21.000 They don't know. 1.00

01:37:22.000 So either knock the ball in the hole or not.

01:37:25.000 You either win the game or you lose.

01:37:26.000 And there's a reason why I spend so much time invested in these things that are undeniable and absolute.

01:37:36.000 It's because I think that's the only way to stay sane.

01:37:38.000 100%.

01:37:39.000 The world goes loopy and then your world is even more loopy because you're famous. 1.00

01:37:45.000 That's a fucked up world. 0.99

01:37:46.000 You have to have a lot of objective thinking and a lot of introspective thought, and then you have to be very self-critical. 0.99

01:37:54.000 You have to be the kind of person that can be self-critical but not hate themselves.

01:37:57.000 I can't even imagine being truly...

01:38:00.000 So when I met Caitlin at dinner, the way I knew she had arrived was millions of flashes outside.

01:38:06.000 We were at Craig's in LA. But she goes to Craig's.

01:38:11.000 I go to Craig's too. 1.00

01:38:12.000 I go in the fucking alleyway. 1.00

01:38:13.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:38:14.000 She pulled up at the front with her girlfriend dressed to the nines and it was like, that was intentional.

01:38:19.000 Maybe it was almost to like flex.

01:38:21.000 It's 100% intentional.

01:38:22.000 It's part of the gig.

01:38:23.000 She's a male Kardashian.

01:38:24.000 She was the Kardashian, yeah.

01:38:25.000 Or she was a male. 0.79

01:38:26.000 She's not a Kardashian.

01:38:27.000 Biologically.

01:38:28.000 Whatever it is, she's a part of that clan.

01:38:31.000 Exactly.

01:38:32.000 She's a part of the Kardashian clan. 1.00

01:38:33.000 And that's a fucked up world. 1.00

01:38:34.000 That is a crazy world. 0.99

01:38:35.000 But there also was a few tidbits of our conversation that let me know she wasn't completely out of her mind with fame because She brought up Kylie Jenner to me.

01:38:44.000 She's like, oh, my daughter Kylie has a makeup company. 0.96

01:38:46.000 And just said it in a way as if I wouldn't know who her daughter Kylie was and just a small makeup company or whatever.

01:38:51.000 It's like, oh, okay, then you don't just assume I know who your whole family is.

01:38:55.000 But she was nice.

01:38:56.000 It was just, I couldn't imagine being that famous because even just with the attention I have online, it can be very mentally distressing.

01:39:02.000 You can wake up and just have a near panic attack just looking at your phone.

01:39:05.000 So I've been trying to work out before I even look at my phone in the morning.

01:39:09.000 I don't even look at my phone.

01:39:10.000 I take it to another level. 0.99

01:39:12.000 I don't read any of my shit. 1.00

01:39:14.000 Oh, really? 1.00

01:39:14.000 You don't read comments? 1.00

01:39:16.000 Okay, so, yeah.

01:39:17.000 I've definitely gone in that route as well.

01:39:19.000 I don't really read comments.

01:39:20.000 I only read Instagram comments because they tend to be nicer.

01:39:22.000 But, like, YouTube, Twitter mentions, no. 0.94

01:39:25.000 Yeah, YouTube and Twitter seem to have – they've cultivated an environment of like ruthless criticism and shit talking, which people enjoy. 0.99

01:39:37.000 Like people enjoy being able to talk shit about a guest or talk shit about the way you handle a guest or talk shit about you. 0.99

01:39:44.000 And they should be able to, but I don't feel as though I have any obligation to sit there and be like, this person thinks I'm ugly, this person thinks I'm stupid, this person called me a man. 0.99

01:39:52.000 I don't feel like I have to do that.

01:39:53.000 You don't have to do that.

01:39:54.000 It's not healthy for you.

01:39:56.000 It's not healthy.

01:39:57.000 It's not good for your brain.

01:39:59.000 It's like you can't process that many people's opinions.

01:40:02.000 And I feel that if you're honest with yourself and you're self-critical, you'll do a good job of trying to improve upon your own faults.

01:40:10.000 Like if I do something in a podcast and I don't like it... 0.98

01:40:14.000 It'll fuck with me in the middle of the night. 0.95

01:40:16.000 Maybe I have to get up to take a leak in the middle of the night. 1.00

01:40:18.000 I'm like, how do I say it that way?

01:40:20.000 I should have said it differently. 0.97

01:40:21.000 Because when you're in the middle of talking, like right now, right this very second, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to say next. 0.95

01:40:27.000 I'm just talking, right?

01:40:28.000 And sometimes it'll go sideways.

01:40:31.000 And sometimes I'm tired, or sometimes I worked out too hard, or sometimes I'm too stoned, and I'm like, what am I even saying while I'm saying it? 0.93

01:40:39.000 And also, if you really tweak about it, you'll think about the fact that millions of fucking people are listening. 0.92

01:40:46.000 It's scary. 0.94

01:40:46.000 And then also, I've also adopted this sort of mindset of not believing positive comments or negative comments, because who am I to sit here and really take in someone saying, you're my hero, and you mean all this to me? 0.94

01:40:57.000 It's because, first of all, you don't fucking know me. 0.56

01:40:59.000 Even if you love me and are completely nice and accolades and whatever, you don't know me. 0.99

01:41:05.000 And also from living in LA for the time that I did and just knowing people in the industry or whatever, it's like some of the people who are the most loved online are the fucking most monstrous people in real life. 0.77

01:41:16.000 In fact, this is almost a rule.

01:41:17.000 And then people who are severely hated tend to be the nicest, most awesome people.

01:41:22.000 Look at Alex Jones!

01:41:23.000 He's so hated.

01:41:24.000 He's one of the nicest people I've met.

01:41:25.000 Yeah, well, but you see the pathway. 0.93

01:41:28.000 And then you see it with some people where they were loved, and then people found out shit about them, like Christy Teigen. 0.99

01:41:34.000 And they just start- Telling kids to kill themselves. 1.00

01:41:37.000 That's a level of egregious that I'm like, I'm not about cancel culture, but like, maybe time out culture for this bitch. 1.00

01:41:44.000 You can't be fucking messaging and also she got a double whammy because the girl that she Told to kill herself came out as non-binary. 1.00

01:41:52.000 So now she's like bashing a non-binary person, too. 1.00

01:41:55.000 Okay, what does that mean? 0.99

01:41:56.000 I don't fucking know. 0.97

01:41:56.000 When you come out as non-binary, when you come out as, like so you don't identify as male or female, you're coming out as that. 0.97

01:42:03.000 Okay, so what's gonna happen?

01:42:05.000 I'm coming out as indecisive.

01:42:06.000 Exactly.

01:42:07.000 That's what I'm gonna do from now on.

01:42:08.000 I'm just gonna come out as indecisive.

01:42:10.000 I'm going to say that that's not even a gender thing or a sexual orientation thing.

01:42:15.000 Just about life.

01:42:15.000 I'm coming out as indecisive.

01:42:17.000 I'm a fence rider.

01:42:19.000 I mean, honestly, that's probably a little healthier than a lot of other mindsets.

01:42:22.000 But yeah, I don't know.

01:42:23.000 The non-binary thing, like, so when I came out as trans, it was like I came out and people knew what to expect next.

01:42:29.000 It's going to be some changes, maybe some invisible.

01:42:31.000 You come out as non-binary, it's like... 1.00

01:42:33.000 What does that mean?

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 Okay.

01:42:35.000 Love it.

01:42:37.000 When did you start your YouTube channel?

01:42:38.000 2016. 2016. And so you had been out for how long at that point in time?

01:42:46.000 2016 was about five years ago.

01:42:47.000 So like three years.

01:42:49.000 But I hadn't had any surgeries when I started.

01:42:51.000 I paid for surgery through YouTube. 0.99

01:42:53.000 Oh shit. 1.00

01:42:54.000 So YouTube funded your transition. 1.00

01:42:57.000 Wow.

01:42:57.000 How long did it take for your channel to become popular?

01:43:02.000 Um, well popular is relative.

01:43:05.000 It's like, but I started making, the way I gauge it is I started making a living off of it about six months in.

01:43:12.000 Wow.

01:43:12.000 Yeah, six months in.

01:43:13.000 That's pretty fucking good. 0.99

01:43:14.000 Yeah, and then all of a sudden the possibility of transitioning became a lot more real because I was like, oh, I'm having money put in my account every month because of this shit. 0.97

01:43:22.000 And what do you think started the popularity? 0.75

01:43:26.000 What was it that made people gravitate towards your channel?

01:43:30.000 Because there was a lot of options, even back then.

01:43:33.000 There's way more options now, but back then there was quite a few options.

01:43:37.000 How did you get people to come to your channel?

01:43:40.000 Well, I believe I fill the niche, right?

01:43:43.000 So, like, are there really other right-wing perspectives from a trans person online?

01:43:47.000 Maybe Caitlin, but that's a whole other thing, you know what I mean?

01:43:50.000 So, and I think that also, even though I'm a political commentator by title, I don't just stick to that.

01:43:56.000 I like to make videos about my life.

01:43:58.000 I'll make videos about my childhood, should I endure through life?

01:44:00.000 And just being very personal, and I film all my videos pretty much in my bedroom or my living room.

01:44:04.000 People feel like they're in my house with me.

01:44:06.000 Right.

01:44:07.000 But that's also something that's dangerous when people start to feel too close to you and then they get very invested in your real life.

01:44:14.000 They start trying to tamper in your real life, which has happened to me.

01:44:16.000 It's like if I go too long without posting with Joey or something, then it's like, you cheated on Blair.

01:44:22.000 You guys broke up.

01:44:23.000 It's like, yeah. 0.73

01:44:25.000 And then he gets called gay every five minutes. 0.82

01:44:26.000 Yeah.

01:44:27.000 His whole comment. 1.00

01:44:28.000 Sometimes I look at his phone and just look through his comments and it's like, gay, faggot, gay, gay, gay. 1.00

01:44:32.000 I'm like, why are you with me? 1.00

01:44:34.000 How are you happy with this?

01:44:36.000 Does he just blow it off?

01:44:37.000 He doesn't care.

01:44:38.000 That's healthy.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:44:41.000 I think it takes a certain amount.

01:44:42.000 It takes a certain personality.

01:44:44.000 Yeah, and I think men who date trans women get probably more hate than trans women, I would say.

01:44:50.000 Yeah.

01:44:51.000 It's like a whole other thing.

01:44:52.000 Well, I don't know about that.

01:44:53.000 From my perspective. 1.00

01:44:54.000 I mean, I get hate for other reasons, like my beliefs and all that kind of shit, but I very rarely get hate like, oh, you're a fucking tranny. 0.99

01:45:01.000 But maybe if he had a channel. 0.99

01:45:03.000 Does he have a channel?

01:45:05.000 Yeah, but he doesn't really do it a lot, but he posts sometimes.

01:45:07.000 But if he did it a lot and he had a lot of followers like you do, maybe he wouldn't because then people would know him for other things other than just the fact that he dates you.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, that's his claim to deal with YouTube fame.

01:45:20.000 It's just dating me.

01:45:21.000 It's really funny.

01:45:22.000 He'll get stopped in the mall like, are you Blair White's?

01:45:24.000 It's like, whatever. 1.00

01:45:25.000 Are you Blair White's, bitch? 1.00

01:45:27.000 That's probably the word they use. 1.00

01:45:28.000 I'm sure.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:30.000 I'm sure.

01:45:30.000 Yeah.

01:45:31.000 The mall is the worst place to talk to people about important things.

01:45:34.000 It's like... 0.87

01:45:34.000 Dude, I had like, it was like a couple months ago, like right before I moved, and I don't want to sound like I'm talking shit because it was very sweet, but this girl and her mom came up, and this girl is an adult, I say girl but adult, and she starts bawling, 0.87

01:45:50.000 like bawling, being like, I transitioned because of you, and you changed my life and all that shit, and she just kept going and going and going, and I felt so, because that's part of like not believing positive comments, it's like, I don't know how to accept people being nice in that way. 0.67

01:46:04.000 I don't know how to do that. 0.84

01:46:05.000 Well, it's hard.

01:46:06.000 You don't really know the person and you just meet them one day and this outpouring of emotion comes from this person that you've never met before and they have this insane connection to you.

01:46:16.000 Because what we're doing, we're both doing the same thing, you and I, right?

01:46:19.000 We're putting out our opinions on things and our thoughts on things.

01:46:23.000 And some people it resonates and some people it infuriates, right? 0.97

01:46:27.000 And so you might meet someone that fucking loves you and you've never met them before or you might meet someone that fucking hates you and you never met them before. 0.99

01:46:35.000 And both of them are equally crazy. 1.00

01:46:36.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:46:37.000 And in a strange way, equally as valid. 0.99

01:46:39.000 However you take me is like how you fucking take me. 0.99

01:46:41.000 Right. 0.99

01:46:42.000 But this is another one of the really big realizations I had doing DMT. So we should talk about that.

01:46:48.000 Okay.

01:46:48.000 So since doing DMT, which I did it two weeks ago, I did it twice in two weeks.

01:46:53.000 I had this, like, overwhelming sense of, like, some people do DMT and then they start seeing people as NPCs.

01:46:59.000 I've heard that talked about.

01:47:00.000 Like, they start seeing people as, like, these are not real people with souls and, like, that's strange to me.

01:47:05.000 Who said that?

01:47:05.000 I see it all the time.

01:47:06.000 People, like, I've had friends that do it and they start seeing people as NPCs based on what kind of trip they had.

01:47:11.000 Like, if they saw the elves or didn't, if they just saw cool colors or didn't.

01:47:15.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute.

01:47:16.000 So you're saying that if people have a DMT trip and they didn't see the elves and they think of that person who had that DMT trip as an NPC? As like an NPC. Like you don't have like a soul because you didn't really connect with like any beings.

01:47:27.000 You just saw pretty colors.

01:47:28.000 Like you had a very simple experience.

01:47:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:32.000 But I had the opposite from after doing a DMT. I see so much more humanity in everyone I'm around.

01:47:38.000 I feel very changed after doing DMT. It's a very profound experience.

01:47:41.000 And I'm just noticing more things about people.

01:47:44.000 I'm being more aware of their body language when they talk to me.

01:47:47.000 I think it was a very positive thing doing DMT. And my experience was the closest thing to a spiritual experience I've ever had because I've never been a person that's been terribly connected to like Anything larger than me.

01:47:59.000 I'd never been religious, never been spiritual.

01:48:01.000 And I'd say it was the closest to like a spiritual thing for me.

01:48:05.000 I think it is a spiritual thing.

01:48:06.000 I think it's an undeniably spiritual thing.

01:48:09.000 And that's the thing about it is like it forces you to think about Love and connection and the bonds that people have with each other in a way that you don't get from anything else.

01:48:20.000 The powerful experience of a transcendent psychedelic moment is not like anything else you experience in life other than maybe like a near-death experience.

01:48:32.000 But you could argue that they're the same thing.

01:48:35.000 I know people that have had near-death experiences that swear that it was like a DMT trip.

01:48:39.000 I'm sure.

01:48:40.000 And I don't think it's confirmed, but people say that it's what happens when you legally die or medically die.

01:48:46.000 It's like you have a DMT trip.

01:48:48.000 And I could see that.

01:48:50.000 It's not confirmed, but there's a lot of evidence that points to that.

01:48:55.000 I could see that.

01:48:56.000 And it, in a way, made me, like, less fearful of death.

01:49:00.000 Because I was like, if this is what happens at the end, it's a great feeling.

01:49:04.000 I'm okay with it going out like that.

01:49:05.000 Like, you just get this, for me at least, when I first was hitting it, and then, like, you start to leave the planet, I felt like this intense, like, set of rings going around my body, like, of just warmth and, like, happiness and love.

01:49:20.000 And then all of a sudden I'm, like, in space.

01:49:22.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 And I did see an elf, which is what people call them.

01:49:27.000 What did they look like?

01:49:28.000 Kind of like a court jester and it had like slinky long arms. 0.99

01:49:33.000 And it sounds like crackhead shit if you've ever done D.O.T. I saw a bunch of court jesters too. 0.99

01:49:38.000 A lot of people have a shared like physical description of what these things look like.

01:49:42.000 One of my most profound experiences, there was a bunch of court jesters giving me the finger.

01:49:47.000 Just flipping you off. 1.00

01:49:48.000 They're like, fuck you! 1.00

01:49:50.000 Like, openly mocking me. 1.00

01:49:52.000 And I was like, what? 0.91

01:49:53.000 Killing your ego.

01:49:54.000 Well, I realized I take myself too seriously.

01:49:57.000 Like, as they were doing it, I was like, I know what you're saying.

01:50:00.000 And they went like this.

01:50:02.000 Like, chill out.

01:50:03.000 That's it.

01:50:05.000 Like, I got it.

01:50:06.000 Like, while they were doing it, I was like, oh, I get it.

01:50:08.000 I get it.

01:50:08.000 And they're like, mm-hmm.

01:50:10.000 That's the thing.

01:50:11.000 A common experience, people who meet the elves or the jesters, whatever you want to call them, they have something to teach you. 0.96

01:50:19.000 So for me, it was kind of similar to learning not to take myself seriously, but it was more so don't take life so fucking seriously.

01:50:25.000 Trust the process of life because I'm someone who, even though I like to think I have my life pretty together, I still worry about everything so much all the time.

01:50:33.000 I'm always stressed out.

01:50:34.000 And the elf was telling me, like, does everything have to be a fight, Blair?

01:50:38.000 Is everything a war?

01:50:39.000 Are you worried about everything? 0.95

01:50:41.000 Like, kind of clowning me a little bit, literally, because it's kind of clownish.

01:50:44.000 Like, really?

01:50:45.000 Is everything that serious?

01:50:46.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 And I was like, yeah, I'll just chill out.

01:50:50.000 Yeah.

01:50:51.000 And it was, like, that simple.

01:50:53.000 I was like, okay, I'll chill.

01:50:54.000 It's good that you can grasp that and have that experience and learn from it.

01:50:59.000 Because a lot of people can't.

01:51:01.000 And that's when they have bad trips.

01:51:02.000 Because they try to fight it.

01:51:04.000 And they try to resist.

01:51:05.000 No, I'm not fighting anything. 1.00

01:51:07.000 And then all of a sudden you're in this fucking death spiral. 0.99

01:51:12.000 That was my mistake with shrooms. 0.99

01:51:13.000 I did shrooms about a year ago.

01:51:16.000 It was actually when I was evacuating LA. Because the riots went up with some friends in the mountains.

01:51:20.000 Let's do shrooms. 0.96

01:51:22.000 And it was my first time doing it.

01:51:24.000 And the person who was supplying said shrooms basically gave me a huge plate, like this big, stacked it, covered it in shrooms, and said, eat all of them.

01:51:34.000 Which is very irresponsible for someone's first time.

01:51:36.000 How many grams?

01:51:36.000 I don't know.

01:51:37.000 I just know it was a plate covered in shrooms.

01:51:39.000 Show me the size of the plate.

01:51:40.000 Give me an example.

01:51:41.000 Oh my god.

01:51:42.000 It was like a dinner plate.

01:51:43.000 Like when you go to like Ruth's Chris and have a steak.

01:51:46.000 Yes.

01:51:47.000 Yes, but it was shrooms.

01:51:49.000 And I have never done shrooms in my life.

01:51:51.000 That's a lot.

01:51:52.000 Because until you do a psychedelic, you have no concept of psychedelic.

01:51:55.000 Right.

01:51:55.000 Like weed isn't anything close to it, not even the same planet.

01:51:58.000 So I ate all of it.

01:52:00.000 We walked down to the water, and then the whole world changed.

01:52:03.000 But the difference between shrooms and DMT is like, to me, with shrooms, you're still on Earth, even though Earth's heavily distorted.

01:52:12.000 That's because you have your eyes open and you're walking around.

01:52:14.000 That's true.

01:52:15.000 DMT, you leave Earth.

01:52:16.000 If you were in silent darkness, if you were alone by yourself in the dark and you were laying down on mushrooms and just closed your eyes, it'd be very similar.

01:52:26.000 Oh, okay.

01:52:26.000 That makes sense to me.

01:52:27.000 Yeah.

01:52:27.000 We were walking around and there's something about doing it.

01:52:31.000 We were in this neighborhood in Big Bear with all these cabins and I started getting so freaked out that everyone was just watching from their houses.

01:52:38.000 And it was me and five people.

01:52:40.000 And so we were all tripping, walking back to the cabin from the water, holding hands, walking slowly.

01:52:45.000 Oh my God.

01:52:46.000 And I was like, are people looking?

01:52:47.000 Are people looking?

01:52:47.000 They probably are.

01:52:48.000 Look at these freaks holding hands.

01:52:49.000 No, yeah, for sure. 1.00

01:52:50.000 Tripping balls. 0.96

01:52:50.000 And we were all like social media people or whatever. 0.96

01:52:53.000 We were like, people are going to film this.

01:52:54.000 It's going to be on YouTube tomorrow.

01:52:56.000 Well, it'd be fun.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, I wouldn't have been ashamed.

01:53:00.000 It's not the best idea to do that publicly.

01:53:03.000 A lot of people wind up doing that. 0.57

01:53:05.000 They do it publicly and they trip balls and they walk around. 1.00

01:53:07.000 Or to eat a whole fucking plate. 1.00

01:53:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:09.000 I should have had one little shroom. 1.00

01:53:11.000 That's a good way to start.

01:53:13.000 A good way to start is like one and you get like a little feeling, maybe like a duogram, you know, nothing crazy.

01:53:20.000 Before you want to get into like the three to five gram, like yikes.

01:53:24.000 I think it's also very important to do it when you're maybe in a good place in life.

01:53:30.000 Like I would never want to do it if I was in a bad place.

01:53:33.000 When I did shrooms, half of my trip was really, really scary and really bad because I was in a bad mindset.

01:53:39.000 Like LA was on fire.

01:53:40.000 I was escaping.

01:53:40.000 I felt unsure about the world.

01:53:43.000 Right before we tripped, it was like a news report, like Trump going into a bunker as protesters ascend upon the White House.

01:53:50.000 And I was like...

01:53:50.000 Let me escape this.

01:53:51.000 I don't think it's good to use it as escapism.

01:53:54.000 Did Trump have to go to a bunker?

01:53:56.000 Is that real?

01:53:56.000 I think he denied it after that, but I remember in D.C. when it was the riots happening, and I think they moved Trump to a safe place.

01:54:02.000 I'm sure he would deny it, but...

01:54:05.000 But when I did DMT, I did it very recently, and I'm in one of the best places of my life recently.

01:54:11.000 I'm in a new city that I'm actually really enjoying, even though it was a tough transition at first.

01:54:15.000 I've been through a couple of those.

01:54:17.000 But I just was very happy, so I wasn't escaping anything.

01:54:20.000 I was like, teach me what you have to teach me.

01:54:23.000 And then the second time, I went even farther.

01:54:26.000 It's very bizarre that it's so there.

01:54:30.000 It's so easy to get to.

01:54:32.000 It's just 15 seconds away.

01:54:34.000 It's one of the most insane experiences that a human being could possibly encounter.

01:54:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:42.000 If there was a thing that you could do, like a ride at Disneyland, it would be a mile long, mile long line to get into that fucking thing. 0.99

01:54:50.000 Right. 0.98

01:54:50.000 Everybody would be like, I want to go on that ride. 0.98

01:54:53.000 Right. 0.97

01:54:54.000 Because it's so fucking crazy. 0.96

01:54:57.000 Yeah. 0.86

01:54:57.000 And just the fact that, I don't know. 0.86

01:55:00.000 So I had a lot of resistance towards ever trying psychedelics for a while because I did grow up in a household where everyone was addicted to drugs and my brother was in prison for a while. 0.71

01:55:10.000 We're selling drugs and heroin and all that kind of shit, right?

01:55:13.000 So I was like, I'm never going to do drugs. 0.97

01:55:15.000 But then, like, I just see psychedelics a bit different.

01:55:18.000 It's not meth. 0.99

01:55:20.000 It's not any of that shit. 0.99

01:55:21.000 It's different. 0.99

01:55:22.000 They are very, very, very different.

01:55:24.000 Yeah, it's a whole different thing.

01:55:26.000 And, like, it's really hard to even articulate what the trip is with DMT specifically without ever doing it.

01:55:32.000 So, like, people were telling me about the elves, and I was like, y'all are crackheads. 0.99

01:55:35.000 Don't tell me about some fucking elves I'm about to meet. 0.99

01:55:37.000 Have you ever heard the expression entheogen? 1.00

01:55:41.000 That's what psychedelics are.

01:55:43.000 I think if you Google the term entheogen, I think it's of God.

01:55:48.000 I think that's something of God.

01:55:51.000 The idea is that these things are doorways.

01:55:55.000 To the divine.

01:55:58.000 There's really a place that you can go to.

01:56:01.000 And you go to through a chemical doorway in your mind, through things that exist on this earth that people have to share.

01:56:07.000 They have to tell you about it and they share them.

01:56:10.000 And that through these experiences you can transcend your time here on earth and get a perspective that's not available any other way.

01:56:20.000 So entheogen means chemical substance, plant origins, ingested to produce an extraordinary sense of consciousness.

01:56:27.000 Yeah, but what is the...

01:56:28.000 That's just the definition of it, but there's a root of the word.

01:56:33.000 Like, where does the word entheogen come from?

01:56:36.000 Google that.

01:56:38.000 Because it means something.

01:56:39.000 Theo is definitely religious.

01:56:41.000 Yeah, it means something that has to do with God.

01:56:48.000 Let's see here.

01:56:51.000 Nomenclature.

01:56:52.000 There it goes.

01:56:53.000 Makes perfect sense to me.

01:56:54.000 Full of God, inspired, possessed.

01:56:57.000 That's it.

01:56:58.000 So it translates to English as full of God.

01:57:01.000 So what is it?

01:57:02.000 From Greek?

01:57:03.000 Yeah, it's from ancient Greek.

01:57:05.000 That's what it is.

01:57:06.000 That's a better word for these things than drugs.

01:57:08.000 The problem with the term drug is it's a blanket term that you could use for caffeine, use for nicotine, use for alcohol.

01:57:15.000 Yeah, there's a lot of drugs.

01:57:18.000 Adrenaline's a drug.

01:57:19.000 And while I'm sure it's possible, I can't imagine after now doing DMT twice, I can't imagine someone becoming like addicted to it.

01:57:28.000 Oh, I wouldn't know about that. 0.92

01:57:30.000 I know a guy was a tattoo artist that was doing DMT every fucking day, multiple times a day. 0.99

01:57:35.000 And then finally the entities had to sit him down and go, hey motherfucker, stop, stop. 1.00

01:57:41.000 Like you're going to lose your grip on this world. 1.00

01:57:43.000 Wow.

01:57:44.000 Yeah, they literally told him to stop doing it, he said.

01:57:47.000 See, it's such an intense experience for me that I couldn't imagine wanting that every day.

01:57:52.000 It's kind of like I did it and I'm good for a while.

01:57:54.000 This guy's an intense guy. 1.00

01:57:55.000 That's fucking nuts. 1.00

01:57:57.000 He's a wild dude. 1.00

01:57:57.000 He's an artist who does biomech tattoos. 1.00

01:58:02.000 You know that biomech type of art?

01:58:04.000 You know what I'm talking about?

01:58:06.000 Biomech. 0.92

01:58:06.000 See if you can Google like biomech art. 0.92

01:58:09.000 My buddy has a sleeve done by this dude.

01:58:12.000 His art's incredible.

01:58:14.000 Oh, okay.

01:58:15.000 That makes sense.

01:58:15.000 But his is more like that.

01:58:17.000 Exactly like that.

01:58:19.000 So it's like almost like alien.

01:58:22.000 That's cool.

01:58:22.000 Yeah.

01:58:23.000 Like that kind of shit. 1.00

01:58:24.000 That's a certain style of tattooing called biomech. 1.00

01:58:28.000 And this dude was fucking... 0.99

01:58:30.000 Well, he is still elite at it. 0.99

01:58:33.000 That's a cool thing to specialize in, that type of tattoo.

01:58:36.000 Yeah, that's a little different.

01:58:37.000 That's more like it.

01:58:38.000 That's more like it. 1.00

01:58:40.000 It's all this weird sort of alien-looking fucking trippy shit. 0.99

01:58:46.000 I would imagine you have to be an intense guy to even know how to do that. 0.99

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 Well, it's also to specialize in that one particular style of art. 0.98

01:58:53.000 It's like his vision of life was all fucked up and distorted and twisted. 0.53

01:59:00.000 One of the people I did DMT with wasn't told to not do DMT anymore by the Ls, but was told like, you know you don't have to come back anymore. 0.95

01:59:07.000 Almost in a gentle way.

01:59:09.000 We came out of our trips and the friend was like, they told me I don't have to come back anymore.

01:59:12.000 I'm like, how many times have you done it?

01:59:13.000 He's like, nine.

01:59:14.000 I'm like, maybe take a break then.

01:59:16.000 I've done it nine.

01:59:17.000 I've done it more than nine.

01:59:18.000 Yeah.

01:59:19.000 Yeah, I think I haven't done it a couple years though, so maybe I could get back in there and have a conversation.

01:59:24.000 But the, like I said, the last time that I did it was probably the most intense and the most weird, because when they were giving me the finger.

01:59:31.000 But it was like, I've never like, but it's just, I think sometimes... 0.68

01:59:36.000 What people do and what I've certainly done is you protect yourself from criticism or you protect yourself from your own analysis of your correct and incorrect thoughts and actions by bullshitting yourself.

01:59:52.000 And one of the ways that you realize if you're bullshitting yourself is like, how do you react to satire?

01:59:58.000 How do you react to being mocked?

02:00:00.000 How do you react to people not taking you seriously?

02:00:03.000 Do you go, ah?

02:00:04.000 As their prerogative, good luck. 1.00

02:00:06.000 Or do you go, fuck them! 1.00

02:00:07.000 I'm going to fucking make a response video! 1.00

02:00:10.000 Right. 0.99

02:00:12.000 The aliens, or whatever they were, the jesters, and they all had the little bells, the little hats with the bells.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, it's so crazy.

02:00:18.000 They look like little courtyard.

02:00:20.000 It's nuts.

02:00:22.000 But they were going like this. 1.00

02:00:23.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:00:25.000 And they were openly mocking me. 1.00

02:00:27.000 And my initial response was, hey!

02:00:30.000 And then I realized, oh, and they were like, ah, that's it, you got it.

02:00:35.000 I was like, all right.

02:00:36.000 They're kind of sarcastic.

02:00:37.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:00:38.000 Well, they know your bullshit. 1.00

02:00:39.000 They know all of your nonsense. 1.00

02:00:41.000 They know all of your thoughts. 0.99

02:00:43.000 I mean, whatever the fuck they are, whether they're a part of your consciousness or whether these are intelligent entities in another dimension that you're interacting with. 0.98

02:00:52.000 See, that is what I've been questioning since doing this. 0.99

02:00:54.000 So I was told by a friend who's done DMT a lot that after you do DMT, pay attention to the real world.

02:01:01.000 And if you believe that the elves are real beings that are independent of something created in your own brain due to the DMT... They'll like send you a sign, right?

02:01:09.000 And I was like, again, crackhead shit. 1.00

02:01:12.000 No, I'm not gonna meet the elves in real life, right? 0.99

02:01:15.000 So one of the things in my first trip that they kept telling me was this is not the end.

02:01:20.000 This is not the end.

02:01:20.000 They kept telling me that because I think I was asking them like, is this what happens when you die?

02:01:23.000 Like, what is this?

02:01:25.000 They said the phrase, this is not the end, multiple times.

02:01:28.000 Directly after the trip, we go to a restaurant.

02:01:30.000 And I wasn't liking the energy.

02:01:33.000 There's like a glow after DMT that you kind of want to maintain.

02:01:35.000 And I didn't like the energy in the first restaurant, so I was like, let's leave.

02:01:38.000 Went to another restaurant.

02:01:39.000 What was wrong with the energy?

02:01:40.000 The people were just weird.

02:01:41.000 I don't know.

02:01:42.000 You create a bubble when you do it with friends and you're like, I don't like what they might do to our bubble.

02:01:47.000 So then we go to another restaurant and there's a huge sign that just says, this is not the end on the thing.

02:01:54.000 And I'm like, what?

02:01:56.000 And then I looked at my friend who told me to look for signs and he's like, told you.

02:02:01.000 So I'm like, I mean, I'm not saying that I think that they really are beings.

02:02:06.000 I'm going back and forth between that.

02:02:08.000 You know what, I got the impression, I've gotten the impression of this before, but I got the impression after the last time that I did it, that the world that you and I are operating in right now, like this conscious waking world of tangible physical objects you can touch and feel and weigh, is like a thin sliver of veneer that we're existing in.

02:02:28.000 We're existing in this thin sliver of space and we're connected to this thing that we can't experience under normal conscious states.

02:02:38.000 And this thing is constantly being affected and changed by what's happening in this thin sliver of veneer.

02:02:47.000 So all the thoughts that you have, all the behavior that you exhibit, all the actions that you take, All of those things that exist in this thin veneer is affecting all of this that's going on in eternity, that there's this infinite space of whatever these things are,

02:03:06.000 whether they're souls or interdimensional creatures or beings, but that the way you interact with other people has a direct effect on that world and that world has a direct effect on the way you interact with people.

02:03:21.000 And that you have to develop some sort of harmony.

02:03:24.000 And I think that people struggle to do that throughout history.

02:03:27.000 And that's one of the reasons why religion is so, it's so common.

02:03:33.000 It's not just common, it's amongst all tribes, they've always had a belief, almost all of them, almost all major civilizations have had a belief in something larger than themselves.

02:03:46.000 And whether it's gods or whether it's like a lot of the Native Americans thought that a lot of their gods existed in nature.

02:03:54.000 The gods of animals and coyotes were gods and the sun was a god and that there's some...

02:04:01.000 Larger than this current experience thing that we must pay homage to, that we must give praise to, that we must feel the divine intervention of these other realms.

02:04:17.000 And it just exists in all cultures, in all societies.

02:04:20.000 And I think part of that is because there's moments in time where you recognize And you can have these moments in time, whether it's the birth of a child, whether it's true love, whether it's just the bonding between friends in an incredible moment in life where you feel like you get just a chance for a second to peek your head through the clouds.

02:04:39.000 There's something more.

02:04:40.000 Yeah, and see that there's something more, and that you're somehow or another connected to this.

02:04:44.000 But our monkey bodies will not allow us to see it.

02:04:49.000 To survive, you can't really live in that realm.

02:04:53.000 For most of human history, if you wanted to survive, you had to be a barbarian. 1.00

02:04:57.000 You had to be savage, you had to have knives and tools, and you have to be able to fight off predators and warring tribes that want to invade you.

02:05:05.000 You couldn't live in the spiritual realm until they figured out how to stockpile ammunition and food and develop walls.

02:05:13.000 Exactly.

02:05:13.000 And then they started tripping balls.

02:05:15.000 Right.

02:05:16.000 But that is one of the first things, at least for me and my experience with GMT, both times I tripped, the first thing that happened, other than those warm rings of love I talked about before, is I felt my body disappear.

02:05:28.000 Almost part by part, I felt my hair disappear.

02:05:30.000 I felt my hands disappear. 1.00

02:05:31.000 I felt like the clothes I was wearing became stupid. 0.98

02:05:35.000 I instantly lost sense of my body and the meat that I'm here in. 0.98

02:05:40.000 And it's funny because leading up to doing it, my friend was like, I'm a little concerned that you're going to go into this and then come out and be like, I'm a man. 0.91

02:05:47.000 I need to fucking detransition. 0.80

02:05:49.000 Like to have some weird gender crisis because of it. 1.00

02:05:52.000 Who thought that?

02:05:54.000 Well, Michael was telling me, like, if you do it, I wonder if you're going to have a break.

02:05:58.000 Malice?

02:05:58.000 Yeah.

02:05:59.000 Oh, that fucking idiot. 1.00

02:06:00.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

02:06:02.000 So he was kind of tripping me out a little bit, and I was like... 0.99

02:06:05.000 He's so silly. 0.99

02:06:06.000 I know he is. 1.00

02:06:06.000 He's probably fucking with you. 1.00

02:06:08.000 Probably. 1.00

02:06:09.000 He seemed genuinely concerned, though.

02:06:11.000 But I did it.

02:06:12.000 Has he done it?

02:06:14.000 I don't think so.

02:06:15.000 That's a problem.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:17.000 But there's no concept of gender when you're tripping on DMT. Your body isn't a thing, so why would your gender be a thing?

02:06:26.000 It's like a different universe.

02:06:28.000 No.

02:06:29.000 There's a sense of sensuality, though.

02:06:31.000 I've seen, like, women, like female figures that were, like, dancing sensually and Geometric shapes. 0.98

02:06:39.000 Yeah, and touching other female figures and touching other human bodies, like what represented human bodies. 0.75

02:06:45.000 But the thing is, whatever the image that you're seeing, it only stays what that is for a second or two.

02:06:51.000 And then it changes.

02:06:51.000 And then it becomes something else.

02:06:52.000 And it's like this constant...

02:06:55.000 And again, you sound like a crackhead if you're talking to someone who's never had it before.

02:06:58.000 I know. 0.99

02:06:59.000 I filmed a video, my DMT experience, and the whole time I was talking about it, I was like, 90% of people that watch it are going to think I'm a fucking crackhead now. 0.97

02:07:07.000 But once you experience it, you realize it is real. 0.85

02:07:10.000 And for me, like I said, because I've never been connected to anything higher than me, maybe people will hear that and think that, oh, this is a very shallow, worldly person in the worst way.

02:07:18.000 But I've never believed in God.

02:07:20.000 I've never believed in...

02:07:22.000 A sense of higher self.

02:07:23.000 But I got that with DMT. Suddenly I was like, oh, this is really small, what we're in.

02:07:29.000 And almost completely inconsequential.

02:07:31.000 Yeah, but in order to stay alive, the thing is we're so attached to the monkey body.

02:07:37.000 That's what we have.

02:07:38.000 We have primate bodies. 1.00

02:07:39.000 And in order to stay alive, like this fucking thing right here. 1.00

02:07:43.000 This is our ancestor, this chimp. 0.99

02:07:44.000 I mean, not really.

02:07:46.000 Hey, Grandma.

02:07:47.000 But that, whatever that is, is very similar to what we used to be. 0.93

02:07:51.000 We used to be some weird, crazy, brutal primate.

02:07:55.000 And now we're still pretty crazy and pretty brutal, but we're moving into some strange new realm where we're eventually going to look like this.

02:08:04.000 Like if you think about what that is versus what this is, like this is the direction we're going in and that's the direction we came from.

02:08:10.000 And we're still trapped in this body of muscle and sinew and tissue and hormones and the need to breed and the need to be accepted by the community to achieve status so that your social status encourages more people to breed with you. 0.99

02:08:27.000 This is all monkey shit. 1.00

02:08:29.000 It's all the same shit. 1.00

02:08:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:30.000 And I guess I've just really appreciated the sense of vastness that DMT gave me.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 I feel like I'm like a more or less rather materialistic person suddenly.

02:08:46.000 Like I tried to go to the mall the other day and I was like, maybe I should go get like a purse or buy some shit that costs way too much for no reason. 0.99

02:08:54.000 And I was like, that seems stupid. 0.99

02:08:56.000 Before that I would have been totally down. 0.84

02:08:58.000 So it's just made me less attached to what is here.

02:09:01.000 But you can go too far with that too. 0.99

02:09:03.000 Yeah, you could lose your grip on the natural world and be a fucking hermit living in a cave somewhere and just want to trip all day. 0.99

02:09:11.000 I'll be that eventually. 1.00

02:09:13.000 You think so?

02:09:14.000 Oh yeah, for sure. 0.98

02:09:14.000 Maybe not the tripping part, but I see my life as like, I'm only going to be here doing shit like this for a little bit. 0.98

02:09:22.000 Why do you say that? 0.97

02:09:22.000 Because you're doing it now. 0.97

02:09:24.000 That's the thing that I have with people that think, one day I'm going to retire and this is going to be my golden years. 1.00

02:09:30.000 What are you talking about, bitch? 1.00

02:09:31.000 Everybody wants to look at the end of their life as being some magic time where they're just going to be happy, sitting around on the porch, drinking lemonade. 1.00

02:09:38.000 Yeah.

02:09:39.000 I guess I just am a pessimist by nature and I see the direction that society is going in and it's kind of like just worrisome.

02:09:47.000 And so I envision the antithesis of what we have now, which is the state more and more in your life, people telling you what to do, people in your shit to the point where you can't go to a restaurant in some places without getting a medical procedure and then getting it checked by a minimum age worker at the front of the business. 0.56

02:10:03.000 The opposite of that is like what? 0.98

02:10:05.000 Me being in like the middle of nowhere with like some dogs.

02:10:08.000 But then you might get bored and you might need more social interaction, more intelligent conversation. 0.95

02:10:15.000 You might be more miserable that way.

02:10:19.000 There's a certain amount of fun in being in the middle of this chaotic situation and being around like-minded people. 0.99

02:10:26.000 And you go out to dinner with them and you go, what the fuck is going on? 0.93

02:10:29.000 They're like, yo, what is going on? 0.99

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 There's fun to it.

02:10:33.000 I'm not encouraging society to go in this general direction in order for other people to have fun.

02:10:37.000 I want to be clear.

02:10:38.000 But the fact that it's happening right now, you can find solace in like-minded people. 0.99

02:10:44.000 And then it actually makes the conversations more fun when people are out of their fucking mind. 0.95

02:10:49.000 And you find a tribe. 0.97

02:10:50.000 And I try very hard to not be tribalistic, especially when you're doing political stuff and whatever.

02:10:57.000 I never really feel at home in a room full of conservatives.

02:11:00.000 I've been invited to a lot of like, whether it's just like GOP events or...

02:11:05.000 Have you gone to those?

02:11:06.000 Like turning point tech deals?

02:11:08.000 Some of them. 1.00

02:11:08.000 Some of them type of shit. 1.00

02:11:09.000 I did a talk with the log cabin Republicans a couple weeks ago. 1.00

02:11:13.000 That's hilarious.

02:11:13.000 The log cabin Republicans.

02:11:15.000 Those are the gay Republicans. 0.99

02:11:16.000 Are they really? 0.99

02:11:17.000 Yeah.

02:11:17.000 Is that why they call themselves logs?

02:11:21.000 Is that what the log cabin's all about?

02:11:23.000 I guess so.

02:11:24.000 Oh my god.

02:11:25.000 That's hilarious.

02:11:26.000 And I met some lovely people, but I also never feel at home in it.

02:11:29.000 Because it's just so tribalistic.

02:11:30.000 It's so partisan.

02:11:31.000 And for me, I think of all my friends, met the closest people in my life.

02:11:36.000 None of them have anything in common.

02:11:37.000 So my best friend is a little person from Cuba.

02:11:40.000 Like a literal, like he has dwarfism.

02:11:43.000 My second best friend is the only transgender refugee from Ghana.

02:11:47.000 So she's from Africa. 0.86

02:11:49.000 And she's very different politically than me.

02:11:51.000 So is he.

02:11:52.000 Then I have an anarchist friend, Michael Malice.

02:11:55.000 Then I have trans escort friends that I have.

02:11:57.000 Then I have very necktie conservative friends.

02:12:02.000 I like that.

02:12:03.000 None of my friends have a ton in common because I'm just attracted to individuals.

02:12:06.000 Rather than like, this person thinks like me, so this is my friend.

02:12:09.000 I have those, but I like having people that are completely different.

02:12:12.000 The Log Cabin Republicans might be the bridge.

02:12:16.000 Those might be the people that can pull everybody together because they can check off all these ideological boxes in terms of sexual orientation and being open-minded to LBGTQ issues like, hey, he's gay but he's also conservative.

02:12:31.000 Let's listen to him.

02:12:32.000 Maybe he's got a point.

02:12:32.000 Maybe he's a kind conservative.

02:12:35.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:12:36.000 So, Michael Malice and I have discussed this theory that, like, the best way to red pill people is to achieve, like, acceptance of LGBT people in the right-wing spaces because people aren't going to go to, like,

02:12:51.000 where the Nazis are, basically.

02:12:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:54.000 You mean Gab?

02:12:55.000 Like Gab.

02:12:57.000 We didn't find any Nazis.

02:12:58.000 Like Gab.

02:12:59.000 I was disappointed.

02:13:01.000 You didn't look hard enough?

02:13:02.000 But when you alienate LGBT people, you're alienating their friends and their family.

02:13:08.000 You're alienating the girl who loves to go shopping with her gay best friend, teenage girls, you know what I mean? 1.00

02:13:13.000 And it's like, maybe just chill off that shit. 1.00

02:13:16.000 There's a lot of values you probably shouldn't compromise on if you're a true conservative, but whether or not someone's taking it up the ass or wants to be a girl, that's your biggest fucking... 1.00

02:13:24.000 It's the dumbest value to concentrate on. 0.99

02:13:26.000 It is, but it's like the main value for so many of them. 0.98

02:13:28.000 Well, it's a fear, and it's a weird religious thing, too, because, like, in the Bible, you know, homosexuality in the Old Testament is frowned upon.

02:13:38.000 But so is eating shellfish.

02:13:40.000 Right.

02:13:41.000 So is wearing two different types of cloth.

02:13:43.000 You're supposed to stone your kids if they talk back.

02:13:45.000 Oh.

02:13:46.000 I don't think conservatives really do that. 1.00

02:13:47.000 There's a lot of shit in the Bible that's very wacky. 1.00

02:13:50.000 But they concentrate on the gay one for some... 1.00

02:13:54.000 I mean, I don't know what it—maybe back in the time—see, one of the major theories about the advent of Christianity has to do with psychedelic drugs.

02:14:02.000 There's a guy named John Marco Allegro, and he was an ordained minister, and he was on the Dead Sea Scrolls Translation Committee, the group of people that were translating the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:14:17.000 And he was also a theologian.

02:14:20.000 So he was an ordained minister, but he became agnostic over the years because he was studying religion for so long.

02:14:28.000 He's like, this is all kind of crazy.

02:14:30.000 So he's like, I'm not going to have any ideological perspective when it comes to religion.

02:14:34.000 I'm agnostic, even though he was an ordained minister.

02:14:37.000 So when he was hired and when he was Brought on as part of one of the experts on languages to translate the oldest known version of the Bible.

02:14:50.000 And I think it's the only version of the Bible that we have that's in Aramaic.

02:14:53.000 And when he translated Dead Sea Scrolls over, I believe it was over 14 years, he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

02:15:02.000 And what he said was that all of this stuff, That you're reading is, you know, there's translations.

02:15:10.000 You're translating things from ancient Hebrew, which is a language that's based on numbers.

02:15:15.000 Right.

02:15:16.000 Like, ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers because there was no numbers.

02:15:20.000 So the letter A was also the number one.

02:15:21.000 So, like, it's really weird, but you've got to think about this.

02:15:26.000 And I hope I'm not fucking this up.

02:15:28.000 The way it was explained to me was that language in ancient Hebrew had numerical value, that words had numerical value, like the word love and the word God.

02:15:36.000 They had the same numerical value.

02:15:38.000 Okay.

02:15:39.000 That using these words in the way you would place the letters, it was because it had a number value to it that we don't think of when it gets translated to Greek, into Latin, to English.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 And so he read this all these years and he came to the conclusion that this is all a misunderstanding and that our version of what Christianity is.

02:16:01.000 It's a crazy book.

02:16:02.000 I have multiple copies of it and I have original copies of it because it was bought up, I believe it was bought up by the Catholic Church.

02:16:09.000 And then a guy named Jan Ervin put it back into print a few years back.

02:16:13.000 But this book is essentially saying that all of Christianity was essentially about fertility rituals and consuming psychedelic mushrooms. 0.97

02:16:24.000 And that the fertility rituals, because people fucking died so often back then, that you needed to have a lot of babies. 0.99

02:16:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:16:31.000 And people need to constantly have babies. 0.98

02:16:33.000 And how do you talk to God?

02:16:35.000 And theogens, yeah.

02:16:36.000 So his thought was, I think, or the thought is, that the reason why they didn't want people to be homosexual is because they wouldn't have children. 0.86

02:16:45.000 And if you're homosexual and you're not having children, you're not helping to contribute to the population because people are dying off. 0.91

02:16:52.000 They would have rituals to try to bring babies into the world. 0.97

02:16:56.000 They would try to make people more pregnant, more fertile. 0.94

02:17:01.000 A fertility ritual was a big part of these ancient religions.

02:17:07.000 Infant mortality was so high, people died. 1.00

02:17:09.000 If you got a fucking cut and it got infected, you're dead. 1.00

02:17:12.000 People died all the time. 1.00

02:17:13.000 They literally couldn't afford to just have gay people hanging around. 0.96

02:17:16.000 Right.

02:17:17.000 I mean, that would make kind of sense if you were thinking about it from the context of people who lived 8,000 plus years ago, whatever it was.

02:17:24.000 I guess that's just why I've always respected religious freedom.

02:17:28.000 I see that it does something positive in many people I know's lives, and I think that that's great.

02:17:35.000 But I've always been so removed from even caring or understanding religion or why people think that we should be reading books from thousands of years ago to determine how we live now.

02:17:45.000 It's always been a very weird concept to me.

02:17:48.000 Like, I've always been not an atheist because I don't even care enough to say atheist.

02:17:52.000 I've always just been like, I don't care if there's a God or not.

02:17:55.000 Really?

02:17:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:56.000 I mean, I guess I've thought about it, but never to the point.

02:17:59.000 I've always had this thing that like, I'll find out or I won't find out.

02:18:03.000 But once you did DMT, did that change?

02:18:05.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:18:06.000 I have that sense of a bigness now and that there's more, but I don't know if that's God.

02:18:12.000 You should have a t-shirt that says a bigness.

02:18:15.000 Sell it on your YouTube page.

02:18:17.000 A bigly bigness.

02:18:17.000 Just a bigness.

02:18:20.000 That's like the word I think about.

02:18:21.000 It's a great word. 0.99

02:18:21.000 It's like a fucking bigness to what it shows you. 0.99

02:18:24.000 I like it. 0.99

02:18:26.000 I'll wear it.

02:18:27.000 Get me a large.

02:18:30.000 A bigness.

02:18:31.000 I like it.

02:18:32.000 Yeah, so I don't know.

02:18:33.000 I don't think it's God per se.

02:18:36.000 Maybe it is though. 0.99

02:18:37.000 Maybe, but I did get the sense that this jester that was talking to me, this elf, this clown, this crazy bitch, I had the sense that she's been around me forever. 1.00

02:18:47.000 It's crazy that you saw jesters, too. 0.99

02:18:49.000 Well, it's a common thing.

02:18:51.000 Jesters are common?

02:18:51.000 I know elves are common.

02:18:52.000 Well, yeah, but to me it looked like a courtyard.

02:18:56.000 And everything else was colorful.

02:18:58.000 It was like colors you can't even describe.

02:18:59.000 It was so beautiful.

02:19:00.000 But then she was like black and white. 1.00

02:19:02.000 Like a fucking jester. 1.00

02:19:04.000 Like a jester. 1.00

02:19:05.000 Yeah.

02:19:06.000 Wow.

02:19:06.000 Yeah.

02:19:07.000 But that's what gets me questioning if these really are beings independent of what our brain could create or that actually exist on some level.

02:19:17.000 There are, like, uniform experiences with certain things, like on shrooms, like, oh, the table's gonna warp, and you're gonna look at your dog, and your dog's gonna look funny, and whatever.

02:19:28.000 But, like, to actually see, like, what we perceive to be, like, autonomous beings, and for people to have similar recountings of what they look like, it's gonna be, like... 0.97

02:19:38.000 Are those bitches real? 1.00

02:19:40.000 Right. 1.00

02:19:40.000 Because that's what's weird to me. 1.00

02:19:42.000 It's like, you met the elves too?

02:19:43.000 Yeah.

02:19:44.000 Whereas when you do shrooms, it's like, oh, the tree looks funny too?

02:19:46.000 Yeah.

02:19:46.000 Well, if you close your eyes, you can meet the elves too.

02:19:49.000 I'm going to try to do that on shrooms.

02:19:50.000 I didn't know you could do that.

02:19:51.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:52.000 Silent darkness is the way to go.

02:19:53.000 You'll see pyramids and hieroglyphics and you'll see aliens and UFOs and they'll tell you the earth is dying.

02:20:03.000 Mushrooms tend to be, there's a lot of apocalyptic vision that's attached to extraterrestrial ideas.

02:20:09.000 That happened my second trip, which was scary.

02:20:12.000 I haven't even told anyone this because I haven't even been ready to say it to my friends that did DMT with me.

02:20:19.000 Afterwards we were telling each other our trips, but I left out that I think I saw hell.

02:20:24.000 Which is scary.

02:20:25.000 Pat Benatar says hell is for children. 1.00

02:20:27.000 I guess I'm a fucking child. 1.00

02:20:28.000 I'm a huge baby because I saw what I thought was like the entryway to hell. 1.00

02:20:33.000 I didn't go fully in but I saw like it and it was really scary.

02:20:39.000 Yeah, I saw like just suffering and pain and like I don't know if it's like the traditional like hell in terms of like in the Bible or whatever but I saw just like an area that you would never want to go.

02:20:52.000 Well, whether or not hell exists, there's hell on earth.

02:20:57.000 Like, if you are carted off to a concentration camp and tortured, if you live in North Korea, if you live in China, if you're a Uyghur Muslim in China and your whole family gets thrown into a train and shipped off to some work camp and tortured and... 0.96

02:21:12.000 You know, I mean, think of all the horrific things that happened during the Holocaust, all the horrific things that have happened in many genocides, what the fucking the Mongols did during the wrath of the Khan. 0.93

02:21:23.000 We have no concept of it. 0.97

02:21:24.000 We have no idea.

02:21:25.000 We have no idea. 0.97

02:21:27.000 Imagine living during a time of Genghis Khan and you watch these people torture your whole family, cut the limbs off of your children and throw them at you and laugh and light your fucking building on fire and People throughout history have done horrendous things to other people. 0.62

02:21:44.000 And the terrifying part is like you don't even have to look to history to see it because a lot of it's happening right now. 0.96

02:21:51.000 There's a lot happening.

02:21:52.000 So you've had, I don't want to butcher her name, but Yeonmi Park?

02:21:56.000 Yes.

02:21:57.000 So I admit to have been completely ignorant about the realities of North Korea until I found her channel.

02:22:03.000 And I'll watch videos and the things that she'll describe in the experiences. 0.98

02:22:06.000 It's like, I am the luckiest person on earth to simply have not been fucking born there. 1.00

02:22:11.000 And you hear her stories of seeing starving, deformed people on the streets and children eating rats and just the craziest shit that there's no concept of from this bitch who was born in California and moved to Texas. 1.00

02:22:26.000 Right, you think it's hard that you were in a small town. 1.00

02:22:28.000 Yeah! 1.00

02:22:29.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:22:30.000 And this is also one of the things that I've been really grateful for with my friendship with Michael Malice. 0.99

02:22:36.000 I'm sure he loves how many times you've mentioned him on this podcast.

02:22:39.000 He's becoming popular.

02:22:40.000 I know he is.

02:22:41.000 But...

02:22:43.000 One of the things I've been very thankful for is I never really had a real job before YouTube and the life I have now.

02:22:49.000 So I don't really necessarily have a concept of like toiling and like maybe what life could be if I was like struggling really hard for money or whatever.

02:22:56.000 And he is older than me and he tells me all the time he's like you need to be thankful for what you have because your life is literally phenomenal.

02:23:03.000 Like the fact that you can just be you for a living and just talk to your friends for a living and like you don't have to worry about shit like that.

02:23:10.000 It's like Don't ever lose gratitude for that. 0.94

02:23:13.000 And it's so true.

02:23:14.000 It's pretty extraordinary.

02:23:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:15.000 If you think about all the different ways that people can make a living, the fact that you and I both, that we just kind of talk shit. 0.99

02:23:22.000 With friends. 0.99

02:23:23.000 That's the other thing. 0.99

02:23:23.000 It's like when Michael came over, I was like, hey, you want to come over and just like talk shit for a video? 0.99

02:23:28.000 And he's like, yeah. 0.98

02:23:28.000 He came over. 0.98

02:23:29.000 We just like laughed for an hour, got him an Uber home. 0.99

02:23:32.000 And it's like, that's what pays my fucking rent? 0.99

02:23:33.000 I know. 0.99

02:23:34.000 Like it makes you feel like almost not guilty, but like...

02:23:37.000 What did I do to do this?

02:23:38.000 I feel like that all the time.

02:23:40.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 Because all my jobs are like that.

02:23:42.000 Stand-up comedy, when I do commentary for the UFC, all my jobs are like, how the fuck did I get this job?

02:23:48.000 How is this possible? 0.76

02:23:49.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 I think it really is just...

02:23:51.000 You don't want to...

02:23:54.000 Contribute it completely to luck.

02:23:56.000 But I think it's a lot of luck.

02:23:57.000 Like 90% luck.

02:23:59.000 Because especially like, you probably know this living in LA for as long as you did.

02:24:02.000 It's like, you just meet people that, it's like, this person is so much more talented than me.

02:24:06.000 This person is so much smarter than me.

02:24:08.000 Maybe prettier than me.

02:24:09.000 And they cannot get ahead at all in life.

02:24:13.000 And I'm like, this person deserves it more than me.

02:24:15.000 I don't know if it's 90% luck, but it's a high percentage.

02:24:18.000 But there's also discipline.

02:24:20.000 And that is one of the hardest things for people to come by.

02:24:24.000 When people don't have it, it's so hard to fake.

02:24:27.000 It's so hard to get yourself to do things.

02:24:30.000 And I don't necessarily know why.

02:24:34.000 You know, when I was a kid, I was not disciplined.

02:24:37.000 But I was always obsessed.

02:24:39.000 So I get obsessed with things.

02:24:41.000 So if they tell me I have to clean my room, or they tell me homework is due by the 12th, I can't do it.

02:24:49.000 I just can't do it.

02:24:50.000 They tell me I have to be at work at a time, I can't do it.

02:24:51.000 That's me too.

02:24:52.000 I can't do it.

02:24:53.000 I can't do it. 1.00

02:24:53.000 I'm just a fucking loser. 1.00

02:24:54.000 I'm a loser, I guess. 1.00

02:24:55.000 I'm just always going to be a loser. 0.93

02:24:57.000 But then I found things, like for me it was martial arts and art.

02:25:00.000 It was art a lot.

02:25:01.000 It was drawing.

02:25:02.000 And I was obsessed.

02:25:03.000 And so I would draw all day, and I was really good at it.

02:25:06.000 And it became a thing where I was like, I couldn't wait to get alone with a pad and a pen and start drawing.

02:25:12.000 So then I realized, I go, okay, okay.

02:25:16.000 I'm not disciplined.

02:25:17.000 But if I just find things that I love to do, then I am.

02:25:21.000 Right.

02:25:22.000 It's not that I'm not disciplined.

02:25:24.000 I'm just not disciplined to do things that I don't enjoy doing.

02:25:29.000 That's what you have to find.

02:25:30.000 What people have to find is a thing that they love to do and then do it as much as you can.

02:25:36.000 Just go.

02:25:37.000 But if you don't love to do it, don't do it.

02:25:39.000 Do it if you have to to make a living and then find the thing that you love to do and do that.

02:25:43.000 So as much as it is luck, It's also, you have to have the mentality to push through and find the path and be able to deal with adversity.

02:25:55.000 And a lot of people can't.

02:25:56.000 They encounter a little bit of a struggle, a little bit of problems, like, uh, too much, I'd rather get high.

02:26:02.000 Too much, I'll get drunk with my friends.

02:26:04.000 Too much, I'll do pills and go to a concert.

02:26:06.000 And that's what a lot of people do, and they wind up ruining the luck that they do have.

02:26:11.000 Yeah.

02:26:12.000 For me, it was seeing all the wrong decisions made from the people around me when I was a child.

02:26:19.000 So, like I said before, I was the only person in my immediate family to not be addicted to a substance.

02:26:25.000 My brother was heavily involved with gangs, a lot of violence, a lot of really shady people in and out of my house all day long.

02:26:31.000 My parents fought like nothing I'd ever seen.

02:26:34.000 I'm surprised I have a healthy sense of relationships now because all I saw was horrible fighting.

02:26:55.000 I think I learned at an early age, okay, so this is the blueprint.

02:27:00.000 Of what not to do.

02:27:02.000 So my brother, for example, it's like, how did you end up the one in jail and down and out and not taking care of your kids and whatever? 0.98

02:27:10.000 And I'm the fucking tranny and I'm like the one that has my life together. 0.99

02:27:13.000 How is that? 0.99

02:27:14.000 We had the same opportunity to grow up in the same lifestyle.

02:27:16.000 It's because I was a little younger than him and I saw him do everything wrong.

02:27:19.000 So I was like, okay, so I'm not going to do meth.

02:27:22.000 I'm not going to join a gang.

02:27:24.000 Imagine me in a gang.

02:27:27.000 West side story.

02:27:28.000 Right.

02:27:29.000 So I think that's important too.

02:27:31.000 Sometimes you can just see.

02:27:32.000 But then you think of how many kids are growing up in the inner cities and in bad communities and they can never make that connection that what you're seeing is the wrong thing to do.

02:27:40.000 So maybe it was the internet now that I'm thinking about it.

02:27:42.000 I was able to kind of see people live other lives through MySpace and through...

02:27:48.000 The internet.

02:27:48.000 I guarantee that had an effect.

02:27:50.000 Yeah, because I've always been on the internet, even before I did it for a living.

02:27:53.000 What do you think led you to identify as a conservative?

02:27:58.000 Well, I don't identify as a conservative.

02:28:00.000 But you call yourself a conservative.

02:28:01.000 No, no, no.

02:28:01.000 I said people call me that.

02:28:02.000 But you go to conservative things.

02:28:04.000 Right.

02:28:05.000 So I'm center-right.

02:28:06.000 I think that's the best way to describe my ideology.

02:28:09.000 Center-right.

02:28:10.000 To me, conservative entails religion.

02:28:13.000 When I think of a conservative Republican, I think of someone whose ideology is reinforced by religious beliefs, and that's not me.

02:28:21.000 But if you say center-right to most people, they would say you're a conservative.

02:28:24.000 Well, of course, but they also call me far-right and say that you're associating with far-right people that really aren't, you know what I mean?

02:28:30.000 So labels are for the birds.

02:28:32.000 For me, if anything, I think that there is just more of a sense on the right, usually, towards individualism rather than collectivism.

02:28:41.000 And that's something that really spoke to me when I turned 18, when I started realizing, well, if I'm going to be trans and I'm going to figure out how to get the money to transition and live this very specific life that's not going to be supported by many people around me, I'm going to have to be like a complete individual and be okay with that and really take my life into my own hands and manifest what I want to do and be a capitalist.

02:29:05.000 It's not easy to transition.

02:29:06.000 It's a lot of money.

02:29:07.000 So those kind of always geared me towards the right, I guess.

02:29:12.000 But again, I'm not a conservative in the traditional sense.

02:29:15.000 I mean, how could I be?

02:29:17.000 I mean, I guess I could be, but...

02:29:19.000 You could be one of those, like, self-loathing conservatives.

02:29:22.000 It's possible. 0.99

02:29:23.000 Like, there's a lot of those pray-the-gay-away people. 0.96

02:29:26.000 That's so sad to me. 1.00

02:29:27.000 That's the saddest shit ever. 1.00

02:29:28.000 I've met, obviously, people like that. 0.99

02:29:30.000 And the funny part about my life is, like, because I've been in, like, so many rooms at these, like, conservative events, it's like...

02:29:37.000 I had this, like, list of famous conservative commentators that have, like... 1.00

02:29:42.000 Try to fuck you. 1.00

02:29:45.000 And every time I'm drunk with Michael Malice, I drop one more name. 1.00

02:29:48.000 And he's always like...

02:29:48.000 Have you ever seen that video where there's a guy who has a bow tie on and he is talking to a preacher and he says, I'm not gay no more.

02:29:58.000 I am delivered.

02:30:00.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:30:01.000 You ever seen that video?

02:30:02.000 Yeah.

02:30:02.000 I think of that guy.

02:30:03.000 Whenever I think of the pray the gay away, I think of that poor bastard. 1.00

02:30:06.000 Because that guy is about as gay as a fucking guy could ever be gay. 1.00

02:30:11.000 That's the route Milo went. 1.00

02:30:12.000 Oh, did he really, though?

02:30:14.000 I mean, it's for show, but at the same time, like...

02:30:17.000 Find that video.

02:30:20.000 I love that video.

02:30:21.000 Because it's just, they all start dancing, and then they huddle like a gangbang.

02:30:25.000 They all get on top of each other.

02:30:27.000 They, like, smush.

02:30:28.000 They all smush, and they're, like, dancing together and huddling and feeling the Holy Spirit.

02:30:33.000 See, I've never understood denying...

02:30:37.000 No, that's not...

02:30:37.000 Is this another one?

02:30:38.000 Whoa, look at this one. 1.00

02:30:40.000 Those are some bitches voguing. 1.00

02:30:44.000 That's it. 1.00

02:30:44.000 That's it for sure. 1.00

02:30:46.000 Give me some volume.

02:30:47.000 Tell those people. 0.78

02:30:51.000 I'm not gay no more. 0.86

02:30:53.000 I am delivered. 0.93

02:30:54.000 He's got a big yellow bow tie on.

02:30:57.000 I don't like that.

02:30:59.000 Women! 1.00

02:31:00.000 Women! 1.00

02:31:01.000 Women! 1.00

02:31:05.000 I'm not gay.

02:31:06.000 I would not date a man.

02:31:08.000 I would not tear a purse.

02:31:11.000 I would not put on makeup.

02:31:13.000 I will.

02:31:15.000 I will love a woman.

02:31:19.000 A woman.

02:31:20.000 Now watch this.

02:31:20.000 He starts dancing.

02:31:22.000 Look at him.

02:31:23.000 Y'all please God with him.

02:31:25.000 Hold on.

02:31:26.000 Wait a minute.

02:31:27.000 Hold just one minute.

02:31:29.000 Now either you're going to believe this stuff or you ought to stop preaching it.

02:31:34.000 If you can't praise God with him, you're an unbeliever.

02:31:38.000 You're a non-believer.

02:31:40.000 You're an anti-vaxxer.

02:31:42.000 This is nice.

02:31:45.000 They're all going to dance together.

02:31:46.000 Look at this. 0.95

02:31:49.000 Listen, nobody does it better than black people know how to do churches. 0.88

02:31:53.000 Oh yeah, for sure. 0.89

02:31:54.000 Their churches are so much more entertaining.

02:31:55.000 I love going to black churches.

02:31:56.000 I'm not even the latest, and I've been to a few.

02:31:58.000 It's fun.

02:31:58.000 I grew up Catholic, and it's boring and scary.

02:32:01.000 Oh yeah.

02:32:02.000 It's all boring and then just depressing and weird.

02:32:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:32:05.000 These people are having a good fucking time. 0.99

02:32:07.000 Look at them dancing. 1.00

02:32:09.000 They have music.

02:32:10.000 They figured out how to connect it to good music. 0.96

02:32:14.000 Well, also, gay people know how to party. 0.95

02:32:15.000 Yeah.

02:32:16.000 But everybody's...

02:32:17.000 Yeah, but they're all getting it.

02:32:18.000 That guy's not buying it.

02:32:19.000 Look at him.

02:32:20.000 He's a... 0.99

02:32:21.000 What the hell are these youngsters up to? 1.00

02:32:23.000 He's a boy, you gay. 1.00

02:32:23.000 He is gonna go right back to being gay. 1.00

02:32:26.000 He's got a dick in his mouth next hour. 1.00

02:32:28.000 I'm not buying this. 1.00

02:32:29.000 I got a problem, though.

02:32:30.000 Uh-oh, he's got a problem.

02:32:31.000 It still looks like he's alone.

02:32:34.000 This is why he institutes the gangbang.

02:32:36.000 And whether you know it enough, the devil ain't gonna leave him alone.

02:32:38.000 The devil's not gonna leave him alone.

02:32:40.000 I have some show nuff believers that'll come down here and dance with him and tell him you can do it in the name of Jesus.

02:32:48.000 A bigly and show nuff believers.

02:32:50.000 Is that what we said?

02:32:51.000 A bigness.

02:32:52.000 A bigness and show nuff believers.

02:32:54.000 See?

02:32:54.000 Now they got a gangbang going on.

02:32:56.000 Look at them.

02:32:56.000 They're all huddled.

02:32:57.000 Oh, this is his dream.

02:33:01.000 Look at these people dancing up.

02:33:03.000 They're like bees when they try to smother one of them hornets that comes to kill the queen. 0.99

02:33:08.000 They'll get on top of them and buzz until they die from the heat. 0.92

02:33:11.000 Look at them.

02:33:13.000 Hilarious.

02:33:14.000 Dude.

02:33:14.000 We get it.

02:33:15.000 I've never understood like denying aspects of who you are.

02:33:20.000 Because they think they could change it.

02:33:22.000 I know.

02:33:23.000 They think that if they pray hard enough they can change it and they hate the fact that they're not like everybody else.

02:33:27.000 Yeah.

02:33:28.000 For me, I've always liked the fact that I'm not like anybody else.

02:33:30.000 I actually think that's like a strength, not a weakness. 0.99

02:33:33.000 And also, like I said before, everyone knew before I even told them I was going to transition because I've just always been such a faggot. 1.00

02:33:43.000 That, like, when I was 13, I was in my small little town wearing, like, glitter heels and I had purple hair. 0.98

02:33:49.000 That's hilarious.

02:33:50.000 I was literally the depiction of the type of person who hates me now.

02:33:53.000 I was like, I used to be you, so don't even tell me about myself.

02:33:56.000 But why?

02:33:56.000 I don't understand why they hate you.

02:33:58.000 Like, why?

02:33:59.000 Because your perspectives are different.

02:34:00.000 Because I don't agree with trans kids. 1.00

02:34:02.000 Like, young, underage people transitioning.

02:34:05.000 But you...

02:34:06.000 Imagine if someone had come to you when you were seven or eight and said, hey Blair, I think what's really going on is you're trans and we can help you now and it would greatly improve the way you feel, how feminine you are when you go through puberty because we're going to stop it and nip it in its bud. 0.97

02:34:26.000 You'll be way more feminine. 0.93

02:34:27.000 I don't think that that would have been good for me.

02:34:29.000 I don't think that there's...

02:34:30.000 When you're going through puberty, regardless, trans or not, it's such a confusing, insane time. 1.00

02:34:36.000 I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to pump a bunch of hormones in a kid.

02:34:40.000 And there's also no telltale, foolproof way.

02:34:43.000 I mean, we're speaking in hypotheticals.

02:34:44.000 Maybe if someone would have been psychic and known it and known, I would have always been okay with it.

02:34:49.000 But what if I would have had...

02:34:50.000 Some sort of like ideological shift halfway through and been like, well, maybe even though I think I'm trans, maybe transition isn't the right way to deal with it.

02:34:57.000 There are people who believe that.

02:34:58.000 Right.

02:34:59.000 Like there are people who believe that you can absolutely be trans, have gender dysphoria, but that transitioning isn't the solution. 0.92

02:35:05.000 There's a lot of people that believe that you'll eventually just become a gay man.

02:35:08.000 Exactly.

02:35:09.000 Yeah, and there's some evidence to that, but the problem with that evidence is just the fact that trans people exist in the first place shows you that there's so much variety to how human beings are.

02:35:20.000 The variables are so extreme.

02:35:23.000 There's clearly some sort of a spectrum of people, and some people would be fine just being a gay man, but some people don't think will, and I don't think...

02:35:32.000 Well that's the thing is I think two things can be true at once and that's kind of like the problem with this whole issue is that I have met trans people who transitioned very I know a girl who transitioned when she was literally 12 I believe and her whole family hid from the school and the rest of her family they literally they didn't fake her death but they kind of just stopped talking about her existing and then she became a girl and they just had a daughter and no one ever talked about it Isn't that weird?

02:35:59.000 But she transitioned at 12, so her whole life, and she's happy.

02:36:02.000 Did they move?

02:36:03.000 Yeah.

02:36:04.000 They moved.

02:36:04.000 Yes.

02:36:05.000 So they moved to a new town.

02:36:06.000 And they had a daughter in this new town.

02:36:08.000 And they hid it from everyone, and she only recently came out.

02:36:11.000 And she's happy.

02:36:12.000 She would not regret it at all.

02:36:14.000 But then you also have these kids going online talking about this was a mistake, this was a horrible thing, this was a social contagion.

02:36:19.000 Yeah.

02:36:19.000 And especially being me because I've been publicly empathetic towards those people and I'm one of the few trans people that is public online that talks about it.

02:36:27.000 I get a lot of emails.

02:36:28.000 So it's like I can see my friends on an anecdotal level that like are happy with it and transition very, very young.

02:36:35.000 But then I have like 10 emails from like today.

02:36:38.000 But you're not going to get as many emails from the people that are happy as you are from the people that are unhappy, right?

02:36:43.000 Very true.

02:36:44.000 Very true.

02:36:45.000 I guess just the issue is that there's no way to really know that this person's not going to regret it.

02:36:51.000 And at the end of the day, when you transition, you are taking away your ability to have kids.

02:36:54.000 You are sterilizing yourself, at least male to female. 0.78

02:36:57.000 Do you get...

02:36:59.000 Do you get love from the trans community or you get some love?

02:37:02.000 Do you get mostly love?

02:37:04.000 I get a lot.

02:37:04.000 So I get a lot of love from trans people that...

02:37:10.000 There's just so many people in the trans community now that it's like there's so many different types of people.

02:37:16.000 So the people who are on TikTok maybe...

02:37:19.000 That think the extent of them being trans is that they're quirky and weird and have green hair and they're non-binary, demiboy, whatever. 0.99

02:37:25.000 Those people don't like me.

02:37:27.000 Demiboy?

02:37:27.000 I don't know what it is.

02:37:28.000 All these phrases.

02:37:30.000 So many new ones.

02:37:31.000 But then there's trans people that transition.

02:37:33.000 Think of Buck Angel.

02:37:34.000 He and I are good friends.

02:37:36.000 And if I go to an LGBT club or bar here in Austin or LA or whatever, I can't really walk more than two feet without people showing love and gratitude and whatever.

02:37:45.000 So in real life, people are nice to you?

02:37:47.000 Oh yeah, I've never had anyone be mean to me in real life.

02:37:49.000 Isn't that weird?

02:37:50.000 Right. 0.98

02:37:50.000 It's like your perceptions are based on anonymous people that reach out to you to be shitty. 0.98

02:37:55.000 In fact, this happened to me a few months ago.

02:37:59.000 I was in West Hollywood filming a video on the street and this person came up to me and was like, I'm such a huge fan.

02:38:04.000 Can I take a picture?

02:38:05.000 I took a picture.

02:38:07.000 Edited the video, they made the video, and then I saw them posting, I'm in Blair's video!

02:38:11.000 And I looked at their profile, and in their history, they have all these hateful tweets about me.

02:38:15.000 I'm like, so, even if you hate someone, it's like, you're still kind of their fan if you're paying attention to them. 1.00

02:38:20.000 Because people I hate, I don't watch their shit. 0.99

02:38:22.000 I don't want to see it. 1.00

02:38:23.000 But it's also the idea of hating someone versus meeting them and realizing that they're just a person and not really hating them, just meeting them and knowing, oh, it's just another human being.

02:38:35.000 Like, the idea of hating someone you don't know is really kind of crazy, unless you're hating Hitler.

02:38:41.000 Yeah, unless they've done, like, killed someone.

02:38:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:38:43.000 You're hating some barbarian, some horrible person who's responsible for death or destruction or whatever, you know.

02:38:51.000 If you just hate someone based on something that you think you can attribute to them, like to you, the hate her because she's against kids transitioning, it's so easy to say you hate someone.

02:39:03.000 It's so easy to just lash out online.

02:39:06.000 Yeah, that's a one of the major problems with our culture is that so many people don't know how to think and so many people are what I mean Don't know how to think like they don't recognize that a lot of times they're being negative It's just to distract themselves from their own real problems and it's often projection.

02:39:23.000 Yes, that's why I like so when Dave Chappelle thing happened and they had these protests one of the trans activists I believe her name was Ashley Marie Preston or something like that That's the one who had all the hateful tweets?

02:39:36.000 Yeah.

02:39:36.000 So you're up on this little soapbox.

02:39:39.000 Literally, I think they brought a soapbox.

02:39:41.000 Yes.

02:39:42.000 And talking about being anti-hate and anti-trans hate and anti-bigotry. 0.99

02:39:46.000 And then you have just this huge list of talking about Asian bitches and this and that. 1.00

02:39:51.000 And it's like, bitch, you are projecting and you are everything that you hate. 1.00

02:39:55.000 Everything that you hate. 1.00

02:39:57.000 Well, people are hypocrites and they want attention.

02:39:59.000 And then, you know, the thing is, they think the way to get attention is if you are in a marginalized group and that group has been attacked, and you can stand up and say the most forceful, loud thing about this person who has, in your opinion, attacked this marginalized group, it gives you clout. 0.90

02:40:15.000 You know, there's a lot of people that just get clout from enhancing negativity, you know, and just projecting it.

02:40:21.000 Yeah, and then, so you're friends with Dave Chappelle.

02:40:24.000 Yeah.

02:40:24.000 So, did all the backlash affect him at all, like, mentally?

02:40:28.000 He's not online, in terms of, like, Dave is not on social media at all.

02:40:33.000 He doesn't, I mean...

02:40:34.000 He's for the best. 1.00

02:40:35.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:40:37.000 He's... 1.00

02:40:39.000 It affects him in that it's not accurate.

02:40:43.000 It's not who he really is.

02:40:45.000 He's not a hateful person by any stretch of the imagination, so they're distorting who he is.

02:40:50.000 But he gets it, and he gets his position in pop culture, in culture in general.

02:40:57.000 He's a spokesperson.

02:40:58.000 He's not just a comic.

02:41:00.000 He's like a...

02:41:02.000 Every generation has someone who people go to not just for their humor, but also for their perspective on things and a wise perspective.

02:41:12.000 That's Dave.

02:41:13.000 He's probably the most respected comedian of our era.

02:41:17.000 Not just one of the greats of all time, but one of the most respected in terms of the way he talks about things.

02:41:23.000 He's number one, really.

02:41:23.000 Yeah, he's very thoughtful.

02:41:25.000 He's very intelligent.

02:41:27.000 And, you know, he's just almost universally respected amongst comedians, which is very rare. 1.00

02:41:35.000 Because comedians are some fucking jealous, backstabbing, selfish bitches. 1.00

02:41:41.000 I bet. 1.00

02:41:42.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

02:41:42.000 Such a hard industry to rise up, and I'm sure it's just so toxic.

02:41:45.000 Well, it's also the ones that suck are the most bitter.

02:41:49.000 But it's, again, the same thing. 0.97

02:41:52.000 It's like so many of them, they really have mediocre work.

02:41:57.000 And they don't like the fact that it's not being recognized and respected, that people don't come out to see them in the clubs.

02:42:03.000 They can't see it that way.

02:42:04.000 Well, they don't see it because they think they're great because they're narcissists, right?

02:42:09.000 And so their perspective is anybody that gets way further than them, first of all, they feel bad when they find out that, you know, Kevin Hart's selling out 50,000 seats or that this person's doing that or, you know, Sebastian sold out Madison Square Garden four nights in a row and they're just like...

02:42:28.000 And it's unattainable.

02:42:29.000 It's not going to happen to you.

02:42:30.000 It's literally not going to happen.

02:42:31.000 You're 43 years old. 1.00

02:42:32.000 Your life is shit. 1.00

02:42:34.000 You could barely sell a Thursday night at the Funny Bone in Cleveland. 1.00

02:42:37.000 What are you going to do? 1.00

02:42:38.000 What the fuck are you going to do? 0.99

02:42:40.000 And that feeling is terrible. 1.00

02:42:42.000 Does Cleveland even have a funny bone?

02:42:43.000 I don't know.

02:42:45.000 Columbus.

02:42:46.000 Hilarities.

02:42:47.000 It's not a funny bone.

02:42:51.000 My point is, they get angry. 0.99

02:42:53.000 And so they start coming up with reasons why that person sucks. 1.00

02:42:57.000 They suck. 1.00

02:42:58.000 They fucking always suck. 1.00

02:43:00.000 Transphobic, hateful. 1.00

02:43:01.000 Fucking homophobic, racist, insensitive, xenophobic, Islamophobic. 1.00

02:43:08.000 But what's really going on is, There's a feeling that they get when they see other people succeed that makes them feel terrible. 1.00

02:43:16.000 So they associate that person with a bad feeling.

02:43:19.000 And they hate that person.

02:43:20.000 What they really hate is their own lack of success.

02:43:24.000 100%.

02:43:25.000 That's a lot of it.

02:43:26.000 For comics, at least.

02:43:28.000 And I mean, that's a lot of people.

02:43:30.000 And then the thing about Chappelle is like, at this point, the special's been out long enough.

02:43:35.000 I don't feel like we're spoiling anything.

02:43:36.000 But the special to me, in large part, was about his trans friend Daphne, who I believe was literally killed by trans activists.

02:43:43.000 Yeah, there's some dispute about that.

02:43:47.000 There's some people that have done...

02:43:49.000 It's really interesting.

02:43:49.000 I love the internet because of this.

02:43:51.000 There's some people that have done a deep dive into how many tweets were actually directed towards Daphne and how many of them were really negative.

02:43:59.000 The thing they don't take into account, though, is DMs.

02:44:02.000 And that's the thing.

02:44:04.000 It's like we don't know what her DMs were.

02:44:05.000 It's DMs and also it's...

02:44:08.000 It only takes one thing to be said that triggers an unhealthy person or a sad person or someone in the bad place to do something bad.

02:44:16.000 So it's impossible to look into her mind and heart in that time and say that it was that.

02:44:21.000 However, I don't think it helps. 0.91

02:44:22.000 I think that the feeling of ostracization from your own community to be a trans person who is suddenly like, shit, now how do I even face any of my probably mostly LGBT friends? 0.94

02:44:34.000 Most LGBT people have... 1.00

02:44:35.000 That's their friend group.

02:44:37.000 Like, how do I go to these establishments that are LGBT now? 0.96

02:44:40.000 How do I maybe do, she wanted to be a comedian, do a comedy show to LGBT people? 0.55

02:44:44.000 Those are probably the places that were booking her if she was booking things. 1.00

02:44:48.000 I think that could really affect someone.

02:44:51.000 Yeah.

02:44:52.000 Yeah, being ostracized by a community is rough.

02:44:54.000 Yeah, it's one of the worst feelings.

02:44:57.000 And, like, for me, I just think that people really missed the point of the special, obviously.

02:45:06.000 Like, they didn't look into it, really.

02:45:08.000 Just because he was defending his friend through most of it and talking about kind of how they killed her.

02:45:14.000 So that's his perspective.

02:45:15.000 Maybe it didn't happen.

02:45:17.000 But it's tragic either way.

02:45:18.000 I mean, it might have happened.

02:45:19.000 It's just the deep dive they did was that she was dragged on Twitter, and they tried to find examples. 0.99

02:45:25.000 But the thing about that is, again, people do delete things, and then particularly they delete things right after someone fucking kills themselves. 0.98

02:45:33.000 That's true.

02:45:34.000 But there's also, like, sub-tweets, like whether or not she responded to those tweets.

02:45:37.000 She might not have.

02:45:38.000 She might have just read them.

02:45:39.000 But then the other thing is the DMs.

02:45:41.000 The DMs are, it's like, you don't know.

02:45:43.000 You don't know how many DMs she got. 0.99

02:45:44.000 Yeah, and those are the ones where people send the most crazy shit because they're not regulated in the same way that tweets are. 0.98

02:45:50.000 It's also, you gotta realize, like, when someone's saying something in a bit, like, he's just trying to get to the point. 0.98

02:45:55.000 The point was she experienced hate.

02:45:56.000 Whether she experienced it in person, phone calls, DMs, or publicly on Twitter.

02:46:03.000 I don't know what it was.

02:46:04.000 But sometimes it's easier to say, dragged on Twitter.

02:46:07.000 And you're trying to get to a narrative. 1.00

02:46:09.000 And the narrative is they made her feel like shit and she killed herself. 1.00

02:46:13.000 Right. 0.99

02:46:13.000 And it's not a narrative without precedent towards people who do step away from sort of like the woke mob and ideology. 0.99

02:46:22.000 Because do you remember August Ames?

02:46:24.000 She was a porn star who took a stand and said that she didn't want to work with gay men because there was like a risk of HIV or whatever.

02:46:31.000 So whether or not that's valid, I think that the porn industry probably has great testing.

02:46:35.000 I don't know if that was a real fear she should have had.

02:46:37.000 But at the same time... 0.99

02:46:39.000 Because she said that, she was dragged horrifically by, like, the LGBT community, and, like, she fucking killed herself over that. 0.98

02:46:46.000 I don't remember that. 0.85

02:46:48.000 Yeah, it happened, I think, like, 2014, 15, something like that. 0.98

02:46:51.000 So, I mean, it is hard to, and obviously I know that, just, like, diverge from that ideology, and you get a lot of fucking hate for it. 0.96

02:47:01.000 Yeah.

02:47:01.000 That's unfortunate, you know, because you would think that the people that have experienced the most discrimination would theoretically at least be the most open-minded and compassionate to others.

02:47:13.000 No.

02:47:13.000 It's the exact opposite.

02:47:15.000 The places where I feel the most comfortable, rooms I feel the most comfortable in, are the rooms people would never expect me to be able to be in and feel comfortable.

02:47:25.000 I mean, there's a difference between the narrative of a person and who they really are.

02:47:30.000 So you have been called transphobic, like you said.

02:47:33.000 Alex Jones, transphobic.

02:47:34.000 Tim Pool, transphobic.

02:47:35.000 Michael Malice, probably not Michael.

02:47:37.000 But should I, on paper...

02:47:40.000 We keep going back to On Paper.

02:47:41.000 Have felt comfortable in the RV talking to y'all and being in that room.

02:47:45.000 Maybe not. 0.99

02:47:45.000 If I believed all the things that trans activists said, I would have maybe felt like I was in a room full of fucking dudes that were going to beat me up or something. 0.99

02:47:52.000 That was such a clusterfuck of a podcast. 1.00

02:47:54.000 I know.

02:47:54.000 There's way too many microphones on.

02:47:56.000 I know.

02:47:56.000 Eight people trying to talk over each other.

02:47:58.000 It was iconic, though.

02:48:00.000 It was funny.

02:48:01.000 It was funny.

02:48:01.000 Yeah.

02:48:02.000 It freaked a lot.

02:48:03.000 People got mad.

02:48:03.000 Like, oh, what are they doing together?

02:48:06.000 I know.

02:48:07.000 And you know what they really hated?

02:48:08.000 How many people were watching.

02:48:09.000 Yeah.

02:48:10.000 It was like his most viewed episode ever.

02:48:14.000 And the funny part is like you're achieving those types of numbers.

02:48:20.000 I think that episode has like over 2 million views or something.

02:48:22.000 And it's like to achieve those numbers and it's like all it was was just like an RV. Yeah.

02:48:27.000 Just like, hey, come over.

02:48:28.000 Okay.

02:48:29.000 Well, what he's doing, I always thought about doing, but he did it and he did it perfectly.

02:48:33.000 He put together a roving studio.

02:48:36.000 Like his studio is awesome. 0.98

02:48:38.000 I mean, it really is fucking badass. 0.85

02:48:40.000 He's got an RV that's got microphones and desks and he's got like a control center and there's a big television so they could show videos and clips on it. 0.94

02:48:50.000 I'm like, this is amazing.

02:48:51.000 Jamie and I have talked about doing that like a dozen times.

02:48:54.000 That'd be awesome.

02:48:55.000 Outfitting a dope sprinter van and, you know, setting it up like that.

02:48:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:48:59.000 I learned from that part, you can't fucking eight people on a microphone. 1.00

02:49:03.000 That was just stupid. 1.00

02:49:04.000 It was funny. 1.00

02:49:05.000 People were like, why weren't you talking so much?

02:49:06.000 I was like... 0.83

02:49:07.000 I'm okay with being out testosterone by fucking Alex Jones and Joe Rogan and temple like I'm okay with not being the loudest bitch in the room in that room well Everybody was just it was just there were so many voices It's too many doesn't it doesn't work like and I say that when I do podcasts people like if I'm want to talk to someone and it's It's a fun conversation and they want to bring a friend that I know I'm like, 0.93

02:49:29.000 yeah, I'll be fine Well, the three of us would be a good time, but even three people that's even a rare for you Well, it's rare. 0.96

02:49:35.000 It's also hard because when I'm talking to someone, I want to let them talk.

02:49:41.000 And then I'm also trying to think of like, should I talk?

02:49:45.000 Should I let that play out?

02:49:46.000 I have a question.

02:49:48.000 Should I enter?

02:49:49.000 And it's like a skill.

02:49:50.000 There's a dance that you're doing when two people are talking.

02:49:53.000 When there's a third person there, you got like three dance partners all in the room stepping on each other's toes.

02:49:59.000 It's more tricky.

02:50:01.000 With four people, it's super tricky.

02:50:03.000 Then when you get to double that, it's chaos.

02:50:05.000 Yeah.

02:50:05.000 It's just madness.

02:50:07.000 Yeah.

02:50:07.000 It was iconic regardless, though.

02:50:09.000 And I really like what Tim Pool has been doing lately.

02:50:12.000 And of course, that shows he's getting more hate than ever, like more hit pieces and whatever.

02:50:17.000 Yeah.

02:50:18.000 It is what it is.

02:50:20.000 Those people work for him, whether they realize it or not.

02:50:22.000 All they do is make more people aware of him.

02:50:24.000 It's cyclical, right?

02:50:25.000 And it's something I've been aware of everything that I've done in the past few years.

02:50:30.000 So I do something, and then a bunch of people get mad about it, and so they post about it. 0.98

02:50:36.000 Because people want to post about shit they hate more than what they love. 0.97

02:50:39.000 And it's like, okay, so let's say there's a tweet bashing me with, I don't know, let's say 10,000 likes. 0.98

02:50:46.000 So maybe those 10,000 people are agreeing with that, but how many people are viewing it with impressions, and then even if it's like 1,000 people that are like, actually, she seems cool, that's 1,000 new people coming my way.

02:50:58.000 You do work for me if you're bashing me. 1.00

02:51:00.000 The best thing you could ever do to someone you hate online, if you hate me, well, maybe not tell them to do that, but just don't fucking talk about me, bitch. 1.00

02:51:07.000 People don't understand that most of the time you're wasting your time. 0.99

02:51:11.000 And also, if your business is just to bash a person, You're connecting yourself as a subservient.

02:51:19.000 You're connecting yourself as inferior to this person, whether you realize it or not. 1.00

02:51:24.000 If you're constantly criticizing them, they don't even respond about you, you're their bitch. 1.00

02:51:29.000 I love not responding. 1.00

02:51:30.000 I love it.

02:51:31.000 Like, every day I'm getting a new wave of DMs like, did you see what such and such said about you?

02:51:36.000 And I'm like, nope. 0.99

02:51:37.000 And I really couldn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:51:39.000 I really couldn't care. 1.00

02:51:41.000 Good for you.

02:51:41.000 It's a good attitude.

02:51:42.000 Yeah, but I had to get there.

02:51:43.000 It took me some time and it took me, in the beginning, like, I would read everything.

02:51:49.000 And I would take everything in.

02:51:51.000 And I would also start to believe the nice comments, which I also think is toxic.

02:51:56.000 And it's only made a video about me.

02:51:58.000 I'm watching every minute of it.

02:51:59.000 I'm internalizing. 0.97

02:51:59.000 I'm figuring out what I did wrong if I did anything wrong and a way to retaliate and that used to be me and now I'm like I Don't give a fuck the people that do that all day and go back and forth and make response videos and attack videos. 0.97

02:52:12.000 They're all Mentally fucked 100%. 0.99

02:52:16.000 They're all living in this weird world of emotions and anxiety. 1.00

02:52:21.000 The real world is the people that you actually know.

02:52:24.000 It's like life.

02:52:26.000 Going out there and go to dinner somewhere.

02:52:28.000 Have fun.

02:52:29.000 Go exercise.

02:52:30.000 I did a Dr. Phil episode.

02:52:31.000 I filmed it in August.

02:52:34.000 Blair, tell me what it's like.

02:52:37.000 Tell me about your life.

02:52:39.000 His wife was lovely, though. 0.96

02:52:40.000 He's great.

02:52:41.000 He's great.

02:52:41.000 I love him.

02:52:42.000 I'm really good friends with his son.

02:52:44.000 Oh, really?

02:52:45.000 Yeah, we're tight.

02:52:46.000 That's awesome.

02:52:46.000 Yeah, we go on, like, vacations with our families together.

02:52:49.000 Cool.

02:52:49.000 Yeah.

02:52:50.000 He made me cry on stage.

02:52:52.000 Aww.

02:52:53.000 What did he say?

02:52:54.000 The whole episode was about my dad's side of the family, which they've disowned me for being trans. 0.99

02:52:58.000 And so he was trying to like reunite shit. 0.98

02:53:01.000 And he just said some really nice stuff that made me cry. 0.98

02:53:04.000 He's a sweet guy.

02:53:05.000 He is.

02:53:06.000 He really is a good...

02:53:07.000 He really is.

02:53:07.000 I know him off...

02:53:08.000 I did a podcast with him, but I know him off the podcast. 0.99

02:53:12.000 He's fucking great. 0.99

02:53:14.000 He's great. 1.00

02:53:15.000 His wife's great.

02:53:16.000 His family's great.

02:53:17.000 They're really sweet people.

02:53:19.000 Genuine, sweet.

02:53:20.000 Not putting on a show.

02:53:21.000 His wife's name is... 0.99

02:53:22.000 We don't have to say his wife's name.

02:53:24.000 Blow her spot up. 0.98

02:53:25.000 She's on the show all the time, though.

02:53:27.000 Regardless, his wife is very lovely.

02:53:29.000 I was walking off stage.

02:53:30.000 I was still kind of emotional.

02:53:32.000 She just grabbed my hand. 1.00

02:53:33.000 She was like, you're going to be okay.

02:53:34.000 I was like, oh my god.

02:53:36.000 But what I was saying was, I did the Dr. Phil episode, and there was, like, this YouTuber, I didn't watch the video, but I saw, like, a thumbnail come up and I recommended it.

02:53:45.000 It was like, Blair White's doing the Dr. Phil show, and I'm terrified.

02:53:48.000 And it was like a fucking hour-long video, however long it was, I remember, about how it was so bad, probably, that Dr. Phil's in a deplat for me. 0.95

02:53:54.000 I'm sure that's what it was. 0.99

02:53:55.000 And I was like, how are you so concerned?

02:53:58.000 How are you so concerned?

02:53:59.000 They might not even be.

02:54:00.000 They might just be using your name to get clicks.

02:54:01.000 Well, 100%. 1.00

02:54:02.000 But, well, then why are you such a fake-ass bitch that you're faking that you're concerned? 1.00

02:54:05.000 Because that's all they got. 1.00

02:54:07.000 Exactly.

02:54:07.000 There you go.

02:54:08.000 Exactly.

02:54:09.000 So I've learned to ignore it.

02:54:10.000 I've learned to ignore it.

02:54:12.000 Good for you.

02:54:12.000 Yeah.

02:54:13.000 Good for you.

02:54:14.000 Well, listen, Blair, this was a fun conversation. 0.99

02:54:16.000 We just talked for three fucking hours. 0.99

02:54:18.000 Really? 1.00

02:54:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:54:19.000 It felt like one.

02:54:19.000 I know.

02:54:20.000 Just flew by.

02:54:22.000 I was a little worried about that because I saw how long all your episodes were.

02:54:24.000 I was like, I don't think I've done like a two and a half or three hour one.

02:54:27.000 Now you did.

02:54:28.000 Now I did.

02:54:28.000 Now you did.

02:54:29.000 I appreciate it.

02:54:30.000 It was fun.

02:54:30.000 I enjoyed it.

02:54:31.000 It was great.

02:54:31.000 I enjoyed it.

02:54:32.000 Tell everybody where they can see you, where they can find you on social media, where they can make a hate video about you.

02:54:37.000 Right.

02:54:38.000 So you can reach me on YouTube, youtube.com slash Blair White X. There's an E at the end of Blair.

02:54:44.000 Don't forget that.

02:54:44.000 Twitter, Instagram, just look up my name.

02:54:47.000 I don't know.

02:54:48.000 You want to send me a carrier pigeon, a smoke signal, you'll find me.

02:54:51.000 Just Google me.

02:54:52.000 Alright.

02:54:52.000 Well, thank you very much.

02:54:53.000 I appreciate you.

02:54:54.000 Thank you.

02:54:55.000 Bye, everybody.

02:54:56.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 10, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1746 - Blaire White

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