The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1749 - Shane Dorian

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:05.000 Train by day.

00:00:07.000 Joe Rogan Podcast by night.

00:00:08.000 All day.

00:00:12.000 Have you ever seen an NFT in the flesh?

00:00:14.000 Seen one?

00:00:15.000 That's an NFT. Oh, very cool.

00:00:17.000 Did you ever know?

00:00:18.000 Sort of.

00:00:19.000 Sort of?

00:00:19.000 I've never seen a physical one.

00:00:21.000 That's a visual representation.

00:00:24.000 A physical digital one.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, I mean, the actual NFT, does that come with that?

00:00:29.000 Do I have to scan it?

00:00:30.000 Is that you and Marshall?

00:00:32.000 No, no, that's Elon.

00:00:34.000 It says GigaChad.

00:00:36.000 I don't know what GigaChad is.

00:00:39.000 Maybe we should save this for the podcast.

00:00:40.000 We are podcasting.

00:00:41.000 Are we?

00:00:42.000 It's rolling.

00:00:43.000 That's how we roll.

00:00:45.000 But it's this guy Beeple.

00:00:47.000 Do you know who Beeple is?

00:00:48.000 I do know who Beeple is.

00:00:49.000 Beeple was here the other day.

00:00:50.000 No way!

00:00:51.000 Yeah, he gave me that. 1.00

00:00:52.000 It's the shit. 1.00

00:00:53.000 He's cool as fuck. 1.00

00:00:54.000 He's a fun guy. 0.98

00:00:54.000 I can't wait to hear that one. 0.98

00:00:55.000 He's really fun.

00:00:56.000 His art is badass, dude.

00:00:58.000 It's crazy.

00:00:59.000 He puts out a piece every day.

00:01:02.000 I didn't know that.

00:01:03.000 One piece of artwork every day, and he's done that for 12 years.

00:01:06.000 Some of the stuff he did...

00:01:08.000 I follow him on Instagram.

00:01:11.000 After he sold that one for $60 million, I was like, who the hell is this dude, right?

00:01:15.000 So I did the full deep dive in his Instagram and stuff.

00:01:18.000 And above your normal feed, when you look at all the boxes, there's all the different things you can click on.

00:01:24.000 There's past stories and stuff.

00:01:26.000 He had this really neat digital moving art of these big...

00:01:31.000 Babies with like weird people's heads on them.

00:01:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:33.000 Going through the streets and wild out there stuff.

00:01:37.000 But it was cool, man.

00:01:38.000 So creative and...

00:01:40.000 Insane.

00:01:41.000 Yeah, all of his stuff is like that.

00:01:42.000 It's all just really true.

00:01:44.000 But it's so funny when you talk to him.

00:01:45.000 He's like, people are trying to find hitting meaning. 0.99

00:01:48.000 I don't know what the fuck it means. 0.98

00:01:50.000 He goes, I just made it. 0.99

00:01:51.000 I don't know what it means. 0.98

00:01:52.000 He had one of them with a bunch of dicks on missile silos. 0.99

00:01:56.000 And there were dicks. 1.00

00:01:57.000 He goes, it's just a bunch of dicks. 0.99

00:01:58.000 I don't know what I'm doing. 1.00

00:02:00.000 There's no fucking hitting meaning. 1.00

00:02:02.000 It's just dicks. 1.00

00:02:03.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:02:04.000 Hillary and Trump and they're spraying milk as they walk down the street as a robot.

00:02:09.000 Look at this one.

00:02:10.000 God.

00:02:11.000 It's so insane.

00:02:13.000 But that's all of his stuff.

00:02:14.000 It's all like really bizarre.

00:02:16.000 Wow.

00:02:17.000 But so interesting.

00:02:18.000 Yeah.

00:02:19.000 This one is the one with Zuckerberg.

00:02:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:21.000 With tits. 1.00

00:02:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:02:23.000 And a robot spider looking thing body.

00:02:26.000 I mean...

00:02:27.000 Look at this one.

00:02:28.000 It's intense, dude.

00:02:29.000 It's intense. 1.00

00:02:31.000 It's a Trump mask and it's spraying stuff out of its vagina hole and giving birth to Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:02:37.000 It's like, what the hell, bro? 1.00

00:02:38.000 Yeah, it's kind of disturbing, but super creative and cool.

00:02:42.000 The art is incredible.

00:02:44.000 Look at this one.

00:02:45.000 Jesus Christ.

00:02:46.000 Yeah.

00:02:47.000 It's way more palatable when you meet him.

00:02:50.000 You're like, oh, you're not a serial killer.

00:02:52.000 Seriously, right?

00:02:54.000 Where does he get his inspiration?

00:02:56.000 Is he just on acid all day long?

00:02:58.000 No, he's just an artist.

00:02:59.000 I mean, he actually was panicking when I gave him a glass of scotch.

00:03:04.000 I was like, oh, Jesus.

00:03:05.000 Oh, boy.

00:03:06.000 What are we doing here?

00:03:08.000 Like one glass of whiskey and he was a little nervous.

00:03:11.000 His mind.

00:03:12.000 Oh, his mind's brilliant.

00:03:13.000 That's crazy.

00:03:14.000 Well, he's just a great artist.

00:03:15.000 And he's also like super dedicated.

00:03:17.000 I mean, he puts out one of those every single day.

00:03:20.000 Christmas, New Year's, Halloween, doesn't matter.

00:03:23.000 Every day.

00:03:25.000 Isn't that weird if you asked 100 different people in America if they know what an NFT is and know how to explain it?

00:03:32.000 There'd be such a low percentage that actually would, and yet this dude named Beeple sold the most expensive artwork in history, right?

00:03:41.000 It's NFT. Yeah, it's not the most expensive artwork, but it's the most expensive NFT. The most expensive artwork is well more than that.

00:03:48.000 The most expensive painting, I believe, is that really controversial painting that they're trying to credit it with being a Leonardo da Vinci, but I think it's in dispute, and then it's also in dispute as to how many people painted it.

00:04:07.000 That it might be more than one.

00:04:09.000 Salvador...

00:04:10.000 Yeah, it's $450 million.

00:04:12.000 Yeah, $450 million.

00:04:14.000 Wow.

00:04:15.000 But the thing is, someone bought it and they bought it.

00:04:17.000 You don't know the history of this?

00:04:18.000 It's a crazy...

00:04:19.000 Salvador Monday.

00:04:20.000 This is a crazy story.

00:04:23.000 Someone bought it really cheap.

00:04:24.000 And when they had it, it was painted over.

00:04:28.000 And then they hired someone to do a restoration of it, which means like whatever the paint that was over it, they slowly, meticulously remove.

00:04:39.000 And as they did that, they discovered there was a spectacular painting underneath it. 0.99

00:04:44.000 So that's what it used to look like when it was all fucked up and there was paint all over it and shit. 0.98

00:04:50.000 Well, when they restored it and they realized what was underneath it, they started calling it the male Mona Lisa. 0.95

00:04:57.000 But it's really controversial because some people don't believe that it's a Leonardo da Vinci and some people believe that multiple people painted it.

00:05:06.000 Like, there's a different...

00:05:07.000 A different time period where the hand was painted versus the rest of the painting.

00:05:12.000 And they think that somebody might have painted it after the fact.

00:05:15.000 And so they were going to put it in the Louvre in Paris right next to the Mona Lisa.

00:05:20.000 That's what the guy who owns it wanted them to do.

00:05:24.000 And they were like, yeah, we don't know if this is real.

00:05:26.000 We can't do that.

00:05:27.000 And that's a huge problem.

00:05:28.000 That's a huge problem. 0.99

00:05:29.000 So he's got it on his fucking giganto yacht. 0.99

00:05:32.000 So it's in some sort of climate-controlled environment on a yacht. 0.99

00:05:37.000 A $450 million painting.

00:05:39.000 A $450 million painting that you don't even know if it's authentic or not.

00:05:43.000 It's real controversial.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are really good at faking.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 Historical artists.

00:05:52.000 There was one documentary that I remember watching of this one guy who's an incredibly talented artist who can mimic the way Picasso painted, the way Rembrandt painted, and he would develop these fakes.

00:06:05.000 And they were so good.

00:06:07.000 And they would sell them as like a lost Picasso.

00:06:10.000 And they would be worth like a shitload of money.

00:06:12.000 And that's a problem. 0.99

00:06:13.000 A fucking big one. 0.99

00:06:14.000 And think about it. 1.00

00:06:16.000 That's a huge reason.

00:06:19.000 That's kind of the power of the NFT, right?

00:06:21.000 It's like verifiable authenticity.

00:06:24.000 That's never going to happen again in the art world like that.

00:06:28.000 When you look up that NFT, it's going to tell you exactly when it was created, exactly when it was sold, who it was sold from, who it was sold to.

00:06:34.000 It's verifiable, right?

00:06:35.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 Forever, in the future, you'll know exactly that NFT will explain everything when you look at it on the blockchain.

00:06:42.000 And it's got a QR code, which I don't know what happens if you scan it.

00:06:45.000 Sick trip.

00:06:46.000 What do you think happened?

00:06:47.000 I like it.

00:06:48.000 Did you buy that?

00:06:49.000 No, no, he gave it to me for free.

00:06:51.000 For free?

00:06:52.000 Is that something that...

00:06:53.000 I was gonna say the uses go beyond art.

00:06:56.000 Art is the first use for an NFT. Right.

00:06:59.000 Contracts, receipts...

00:07:01.000 It's the most obvious one, right?

00:07:03.000 But like all like airplane, like your boarding pass and all this stuff in the future will be NFTs.

00:07:09.000 I've been kind of down a rabbit hole, like an NFT rabbit hole.

00:07:12.000 Have you?

00:07:12.000 Are you gonna start selling them?

00:07:14.000 No, but I have really good friends that live in the metaverse, and they buy and sell NFTs.

00:07:19.000 They're like NFT traders and stuff.

00:07:21.000 It's pretty interesting. 0.54

00:07:22.000 Yeah, Jamie was explaining to me that the metaverse, the way fucking Zuckerberg has done it, he just capitalized the letter.

00:07:32.000 Yeah, it's different.

00:07:34.000 They're starting the brand of metaverse, but that's starting the brand of the internet right now.

00:07:39.000 You can't do that.

00:07:41.000 How do you do that?

00:07:42.000 How is he doing...

00:07:43.000 Or they're trying to, you know?

00:07:45.000 But it was already a thing.

00:07:47.000 Like, the term metaverse was already a thing, and they own it now.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, they took over someone's Instagram account.

00:07:52.000 Oh, they did?

00:07:53.000 Just took it?

00:07:54.000 Yeah.

00:07:55.000 Really?

00:07:56.000 Some girl, she's had it for a while, I guess.

00:07:58.000 And did she get pissed?

00:07:59.000 I tried to look up what happened, like, if they gave her money or something, but I don't know.

00:08:02.000 They just took it.

00:08:03.000 They better give her money. 1.00

00:08:05.000 Imagine if they didn't.

00:08:06.000 Well, they own Instagram, though.

00:08:07.000 That's the problem.

00:08:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:08.000 They took hers and gave it back, but they took the metal one, which was run by a motorcycle bag.

00:08:14.000 But they own it. 1.00

00:08:15.000 See, they own Instagram, which is fucked. 0.99

00:08:17.000 So he's like, yeah, guess what? 0.99

00:08:18.000 I own it.

00:08:19.000 I own that.

00:08:20.000 This is my property.

00:08:21.000 That's a funny thing, Shane Dorian, because that's my name.

00:08:24.000 My name's Shane Dorian. 1.00

00:08:25.000 Just fucking steal your shit. 1.00

00:08:27.000 Yeah, it's odd, right? 1.00

00:08:28.000 It's very odd.

00:08:29.000 Some guy had Joe Rogan.

00:08:30.000 His actual name was Joe Rogan.

00:08:33.000 So I had to buy it from him.

00:08:34.000 I bought it from him like nine years ago or whatever.

00:08:38.000 Whenever I started Instagram, when I started Instagram.

00:08:40.000 Yeah, didn't you have JoeRogan.net for a while or something like that?

00:08:43.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:08:43.000 I think I had Joe Rogan Experience.

00:08:45.000 Okay.

00:08:45.000 I had like the name of the podcast.

00:08:47.000 And then...

00:08:49.000 I found him.

00:08:50.000 I got a hold of him.

00:08:51.000 And he wasn't even using it.

00:08:53.000 I forget what I gave him for it.

00:08:54.000 And was he cool?

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 Nice guy.

00:08:56.000 Imagine the value inflation from the last nine years of what that would have cost for Instagram, you know?

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:03.000 Well, also, Joe Rogan Experience didn't have that many followers when I did it.

00:09:09.000 I was pretty new to Instagram.

00:09:12.000 Everlast talked me into it.

00:09:13.000 Everlast from the House of Pain.

00:09:14.000 I was just on Twitter only.

00:09:16.000 And then he's like, man, you gotta get on this Instagram.

00:09:18.000 I'm like, what is this, just pictures?

00:09:19.000 Why is that a big deal?

00:09:20.000 And that's all I use now.

00:09:22.000 I barely, I don't even, I post things to Instagram that eventually go to Twitter.

00:09:28.000 I posted one time, maybe I repost things, like if someone has a cool article or something.

00:09:34.000 It's on Twitter.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I'll repost things.

00:09:36.000 Something's interesting.

00:09:38.000 Twitter's sketchy.

00:09:39.000 Yeah, I went to look at my Twitter and I looked like a crazy COVID person.

00:09:42.000 Because so many of the things I'm retweeting are about COVID. Right.

00:09:46.000 And it creates an echo chamber, right?

00:09:50.000 That's like the whole thing about Twitter.

00:09:52.000 It definitely does.

00:09:53.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people on there that are just speaking to the choir.

00:09:56.000 It's funny because you can tell based on someone's, you know, who they are, how people are going to respond to the things they write.

00:10:05.000 You know, like, if someone is politically, you know, very left-wing, if they get trolled a lot, though, that's what's interesting.

00:10:13.000 So, like, they'll post something, and if they don't control who comments, you'll see, like, whenever a politician posts something, you get a bunch of the people that oppose them on the other side just attacking them and mocking them and belittling them.

00:10:27.000 It's just a super unhealthy way to communicate, all of it.

00:10:32.000 It is.

00:10:33.000 And there's not that many people on it either.

00:10:35.000 That's the thing.

00:10:36.000 There's a lot of people, because there's a lot of people in the world, but in terms of most people in the country, Twitter's not the real world.

00:10:43.000 But the people on Twitter, it's their world.

00:10:46.000 It's the whole world.

00:10:47.000 It's like they're so obsessed, because Twitter's so addictive. 0.98

00:10:51.000 So many people who are on Twitter are on it all the fucking time, constantly checking. 0.77

00:10:56.000 And so anything negative or positive that happens on Twitter, they think spills over into the real world. 0.98

00:11:02.000 For sure.

00:11:03.000 You know, real measurable ways.

00:11:05.000 And how the algorithm works, how it like creates an echo chamber in your feed, it allows you to think that the way you think is the way everybody thinks because everybody, you know, all this stuff like populates into your feed.

00:11:16.000 Like if you're, you know, whatever your political views are or your religious views are, you just end up having that's all in your feed.

00:11:24.000 So like you walk out of your Twitter world and you think everyone thinks like you and when they don't, you start hating those people instead of just having like a disagreement with their views and their ideology.

00:11:34.000 Well, that's what's going on clearly in the polarized parts of our country, whether it's polarized on the right or polarized on the left.

00:11:41.000 They think that everybody should think their way.

00:11:43.000 Oh, I should point this out while we're talking about this.

00:11:46.000 There's a bunch of people that have been saying that Peter McCullough, the doctor that was on the other day, Is complaining about being censored on the internet because the podcast has been removed from YouTube and some other places that he uploaded it.

00:12:03.000 I just talked to Peter and that's not him.

00:12:06.000 So it's someone imitating him.

00:12:09.000 Now whether or not it's someone on his team that's imitating him and he doesn't know about it, but the posts from his account that are complaining about being censored, he had no idea what I was talking about.

00:12:21.000 When I talked to him, he was like rattling off all those things, studies and this thing, and I've got this new study and this new data, and he's just being like how he was in the podcast, just like super nerded out on medical statistics, and he had no idea.

00:12:33.000 So yeah, the whole Twitter thing and social media is very confusing.

00:12:37.000 There's people pretending to be me, and I've tried to do something about it, but I don't know what to do with it.

00:12:40.000 There's multiple people pretending to be me and uploading things.

00:12:43.000 He goes, I was not aware that it has been Removed or even re-uploaded.

00:12:48.000 And I just don't have time for that.

00:12:49.000 I'm in the middle of a conference right now.

00:12:50.000 And I'm doing a conference right now.

00:12:52.000 I'm speaking to 100 doctors.

00:12:53.000 And he's like rattling off data to me. 0.99

00:12:55.000 And the dude's just a fucking freight train of information. 0.98

00:13:00.000 I can't wait to listen to that one. 0.99

00:13:02.000 It's a good one.

00:13:02.000 I had about, I don't know, like six or eight people send me the link to it already.

00:13:07.000 It's a good one, but I just want everybody to know it is not Dr. Peter McCullough that is complaining about censorship.

00:13:12.000 And if the podcast gets uploaded anywhere else, whether it's YouTube or Rumble and it gets taken down, it's not being taken down because of censorship.

00:13:20.000 It's being taken down because Spotify owns the podcast.

00:13:24.000 Spotify licensed the podcast for the years that I'm on Spotify, so you can't upload it anywhere else.

00:13:29.000 It doesn't mean it's being censored.

00:13:30.000 It means you gotta go to Spotify to watch it.

00:13:33.000 It's available for free for everybody, but, you know, Spotify's paying for it. 0.55

00:13:36.000 That's why you can't just fucking upload it to places.

00:13:38.000 I feel like everybody has Spotify. 0.96

00:13:40.000 It's not hard to get.

00:13:42.000 It's very simple.

00:13:45.000 There's another thing that people need to know.

00:13:46.000 Here's another thing.

00:13:47.000 There's a bunch of people that are saying that Spotify is in dispute with comedians and they're not paying comedians, so they're removing comedians off of their platform instead of paying them royalties.

00:14:02.000 It's quite a bit more complicated than that.

00:14:04.000 And here's what I know.

00:14:05.000 There's a company that is They're claiming they represent all these comedians, but they don't.

00:14:13.000 And they're reaching out to Spotify as representatives of these comedians.

00:14:17.000 How do I know this?

00:14:18.000 Because they're claiming to represent me.

00:14:20.000 And they don't.

00:14:21.000 They have no business with me.

00:14:24.000 And yet they were claiming to represent me. 0.81

00:14:26.000 So I don't know what the fuck is going on, but because of the complaints, I've reached out to Spotify to go, hey, what is this? 0.86

00:14:34.000 What's happening here? 0.97

00:14:35.000 Give me the real story.

00:14:36.000 And then I got from my managers that these people are actually claiming they represent you, which is 100% not true. 0.97

00:14:42.000 So there's some fuckery going on.

00:14:44.000 And most likely it's someone who's trying to do something and make it look like they're in business with all these high-profile people and then do something with the royalties and try to... 0.90

00:14:56.000 Get money for these people and maybe take a piece of it or something.

00:14:59.000 I don't know what the deal is. 0.97

00:15:00.000 But I do know whoever these people are, they're pretending that they represent me when they fucking for sure don't. 0.98

00:15:06.000 So there's that. 0.97

00:15:07.000 There's a lot of misinformation out there these days.

00:15:10.000 There is. 1.00

00:15:11.000 And cutting through the bullshit is... 1.00

00:15:13.000 So hard. 1.00

00:15:14.000 It's difficult.

00:15:14.000 It's more complicated than ever.

00:15:16.000 I think it's by design.

00:15:17.000 It is. 0.90

00:15:18.000 Well, I don't know if it's by design, it's just, the world is fucking confusing. 0.91

00:15:24.000 You know, this digital world that we live in is like, goddammit, there's so much going on. 0.79

00:15:28.000 There's so many platforms, and there's so much fucking material floating around, and NFTs, and NFTs, and everybody has a podcast. 0.97

00:15:37.000 Do you know there's two million goddamn podcasts now? 0.99

00:15:40.000 Two million. 0.99

00:15:41.000 Two million.

00:15:42.000 And, Jamie, wasn't there like one million at the start of the pandemic?

00:15:45.000 I'll check now.

00:15:46.000 It's probably two and a half million or something. 1.00

00:15:48.000 It grows like a fucking weed. 0.99

00:15:50.000 Everybody has a podcast. 1.00

00:15:51.000 Everybody's got a podcast.

00:15:52.000 Yeah, everybody's got one.

00:15:55.000 I have people coming on my shows, to my comedy shows, yelling out, will you be on my podcast?

00:16:00.000 I'm like, what?

00:16:02.000 Who are you?

00:16:03.000 What is happening?

00:16:04.000 April, there was two million, so...

00:16:05.000 Yeah, probably by now there's like way more.

00:16:09.000 May, June, July, August, September, October, November, oh my god, December, oh my god.

00:16:14.000 It's probably like another million.

00:16:16.000 The same website, it didn't really update the sites.

00:16:19.000 I think it's kind of done by AI. But a year before that, it was only one million, or a year and a half before that.

00:16:25.000 When the pandemic started, I remember we were having a conversation, I was like, how many podcasts are there?

00:16:29.000 And then we Googled it and it was like 900-something thousand.

00:16:33.000 So it was like close to a million.

00:16:34.000 That's crazy.

00:16:35.000 That's already so many.

00:16:37.000 Crazy.

00:16:37.000 This is 4.5 million total podcasts registered around the world according to podcastindex.org.

00:16:43.000 And Joe Rogan's number one!

00:16:45.000 That's crazy though.

00:16:46.000 Think about how nuts that is.

00:16:47.000 It's funny.

00:16:48.000 One of my really, really good friends has a podcast.

00:16:51.000 And he said, you know, we do my podcast.

00:16:54.000 And I said, no.

00:16:55.000 He's one of my really good friends.

00:16:57.000 He's all, what?

00:16:58.000 You go on Joe Rogan's podcast and you can't do mine?

00:17:01.000 And you're like, one of my best friends.

00:17:03.000 But he's the kind of guy, he's one of these guys who likes to start things, but doesn't follow through all the time.

00:17:09.000 So I told him, I said, I'll do your hundredth episode.

00:17:12.000 So you got to prove to me that you're serious about this whole podcast thing.

00:17:16.000 You know, a podcast can be easy to start, but you know, having like a track record, having like hundreds and hundreds of podcasts, a lot of people give up before then, right?

00:17:24.000 That's like everything, though.

00:17:25.000 That's like workouts, diets.

00:17:26.000 Well, I just figured it was important to get my message across that... 1.00

00:17:32.000 My time is serious, bitch. 1.00

00:17:33.000 Yeah, dude! 1.00

00:17:34.000 Yeah, it is.

00:17:35.000 I mean, you have a family.

00:17:37.000 You have work obligations.

00:17:39.000 You're a surfer. 1.00

00:17:40.000 Surfing must eat up a lot of fucking time. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Not enough. 0.99

00:17:44.000 I love surfing.

00:17:45.000 So, yeah, it doesn't eat up enough time, but it does.

00:17:47.000 That's awesome.

00:17:48.000 It's time-consuming.

00:17:50.000 I mean, it's one of those things in my life that I wish I could do even more than I already do.

00:17:54.000 That is so awesome that that's what you do for a living.

00:17:56.000 I love hearing that because that's what everybody should strive for.

00:17:59.000 Something that you love doing, that you've been doing.

00:18:01.000 You've been surfing for how many years now?

00:18:04.000 I'm 49. I started when I was five.

00:18:06.000 Ha ha ha!

00:18:07.000 So a shit ton of time.

00:18:09.000 So 44 years of doing something and you can't get enough of it. 0.99

00:18:12.000 That's fucking amazing. 0.97

00:18:14.000 That's life right there. 0.99

00:18:16.000 If you can nail that, if you can find a thing that you love for 40 plus years and you can't get enough of it.

00:18:23.000 Think of that.

00:18:24.000 Four decades.

00:18:25.000 Four decades of something that I'm wildly passionate about still.

00:18:28.000 I'm insanely in love with surfing.

00:18:31.000 It's so...

00:18:32.000 It's...

00:18:34.000 It's like a massive part of my life.

00:18:36.000 You know how they say, this is what you do, but it's not who you are?

00:18:40.000 With surfing, I feel like it's who I am. 0.99

00:18:43.000 Well, you fucked your knee up pretty bad snowboarding. 0.93

00:18:47.000 Why don't you explain what happened? 0.99

00:18:49.000 That's a good way to say it.

00:18:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:51.000 You really mangled that fucker, huh? 1.00

00:18:53.000 I fucked up my knee bad. 1.00

00:18:55.000 I was... 0.96

00:18:56.000 I was snowboarding in Mammoth, California with my son Jackson last winter and they had 10 feet of snow in 3 days.

00:19:04.000 10 feet of snow in 3 days.

00:19:07.000 We parked our car, went to sleep, woke up in the morning and our car was like a mound of snow.

00:19:12.000 It was like a 12 foot mound of snow and my car wasn't there.

00:19:17.000 Anyway, I was following him down the hill and he didn't realize how close I was behind him.

00:19:21.000 And we were flying, going super, super fast.

00:19:24.000 And then he just stopped on a dime to stop, to wait for me.

00:19:27.000 He thought I was like 100 yards behind him or whatever.

00:19:29.000 I was right behind him, which is my fault.

00:19:32.000 You should never do that, but I didn't really know that.

00:19:34.000 So I was right on top of him instantly.

00:19:36.000 And a snowboard's deadly, right?

00:19:37.000 Like super sharp edges.

00:19:38.000 And I just went...

00:19:39.000 I was on my toe edge so I just couldn't stop instantaneously and I was going to run right into him so I literally just tried to jump over him because I didn't want my board to hit him and kill him.

00:19:51.000 I had to make this choice super fast in a split second and so literally he just stopped and I was right on top of him and I jumped to get over him and he was standing next to a tree and my legs went right around the tree. 0.94

00:20:05.000 It was one of those like instantaneous like it all happened so quick but it was like almost in slow motion as I like fell into the snow and just went like the next year flashed before my eyes like holy shit. 0.94

00:20:18.000 All this fun shit that I really really wanted to do just evaporated into thin air. 0.95

00:20:24.000 And what was the damage? 0.99

00:20:28.000 I had full tears on my ACL and MCL. So it was proper fucked. 0.99

00:20:34.000 Meniscus as well? 1.00

00:20:35.000 My meniscus was fine.

00:20:36.000 Oh, that's lucky.

00:20:37.000 My cartilage is fine.

00:20:38.000 That's lucky.

00:20:39.000 That's the tough stuff.

00:20:40.000 I was lucky.

00:20:41.000 Super, super lucky in that way.

00:20:43.000 Incredibly fortunate.

00:20:44.000 And I'm grateful for that.

00:20:45.000 And it was super cool.

00:20:46.000 I... Got off the mountain.

00:20:48.000 The ski patrol came and got me.

00:20:50.000 It was funny.

00:20:51.000 My friend's like, man, maybe it's not that bad.

00:20:53.000 I'll just get you up and you can see what it feels like.

00:20:55.000 And I'm still strapped into my snowboard.

00:20:57.000 So he picks me up.

00:20:58.000 My buddy Chris, he picks me up. 0.75

00:21:00.000 And I'm like, it's screwed. 0.66

00:21:01.000 My knee's screwed. 0.62

00:21:02.000 And he's like, well, you don't know.

00:21:03.000 It just could be swollen.

00:21:05.000 And when you know, you know.

00:21:07.000 But I stood up and, you know, you're snowboarding.

00:21:09.000 So instantly I moved like an inch and my knee was just jelly.

00:21:13.000 There was nothing there.

00:21:15.000 And I just sat back and...

00:21:16.000 Ski patrol took me down the mountain.

00:21:19.000 And so I FaceTimed my buddy Warren Kramer, who's an incredible surgeon.

00:21:23.000 And I FaceTimed him and he goes, dude, get in your car tomorrow morning early, drive down here, we'll get you scanned, figure it out.

00:21:31.000 But for sure, it's bad by the sound of it.

00:21:34.000 And he had me move it all these different ways.

00:21:37.000 And as soon as I got on his table the next morning, he goes, you have a blown ACL and a blown MCL, complete tears.

00:21:43.000 And I was like, how would you know that?

00:21:45.000 He literally was just feeling it and like, you know, like manipulating my leg.

00:21:49.000 And he goes, I mean, thank God I was friends with him.

00:21:53.000 He goes, I'm going to squeeze you into my surgery schedule in the next two days.

00:21:57.000 So I was from like in the mountain wrapped around a tree to in surgery.

00:22:02.000 My wife Lisa got on a flight the next day or that day from Hawaii to fly out for my surgery and take care of me and all that. 1.00

00:22:10.000 But it sucked.

00:22:11.000 The ACL, did they use a cadaver? 0.62

00:22:14.000 They used my patellar tendon for both.

00:22:18.000 Oh, for both?

00:22:18.000 And they bored holes out of my...

00:22:21.000 I'm going to totally botch this, so I'm not going to try to explain it exactly right.

00:22:25.000 Yeah, I had a patellar tendograph.

00:22:26.000 They bore holes out of your knee and your shin.

00:22:28.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 And they pull the piece of bone and they use that to screw it back in place as your ACL. And that's why it's so strong.

00:22:34.000 And your body accepts the patellar tendon as a ligament, correct?

00:22:40.000 Yeah.

00:22:41.000 I mean, it'll definitely accept it as a ligament.

00:22:43.000 What it actually works on, the same way the cadaver does, what happens is your body re-proliferates it.

00:22:50.000 So it probably accepts it easier because it's already a part of your body.

00:22:54.000 But when you get a cadaver graft, what happens is, so they put, with mine, they used a Achilles tendon.

00:23:01.000 I had both done.

00:23:02.000 So I had one done with a patella tendon graft and one done with a cadaver.

00:23:07.000 The cadaver was way easier to recover.

00:23:09.000 Way easier.

00:23:10.000 Way less invasive.

00:23:13.000 So they put it in there and then you have a dead guy's Achilles tendon inside your knee.

00:23:20.000 So you're a part dead guy.

00:23:21.000 And then your body re-proliferates it with its own cells and it takes like six to nine months for that to fully happen.

00:23:28.000 But the problem is you start feeling pretty good Like a couple months in and a lot of guys, especially a lot of fighters, they blow their knee out a second time.

00:23:37.000 Yeah.

00:23:37.000 Because they go too soon.

00:23:39.000 They practice too soon.

00:23:40.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm older now or whatever, but it's taken a long time.

00:23:47.000 It's been about 10 months.

00:23:48.000 It takes a long time.

00:23:50.000 My left knee, which I did with a patella tendin graph, it was about a year before it felt right.

00:23:57.000 Like a year.

00:23:57.000 And then even after that, when I would kneel on something, like if I'm doing jujitsu and I'm on my knees, it hurts.

00:24:03.000 Just like the surface of it hurts.

00:24:05.000 Well, and a couple months ago, I was expecting it to already be pretty good by that point.

00:24:09.000 You know, say like eight months in or seven months in, but it didn't feel right.

00:24:12.000 It just did not feel right.

00:24:14.000 I could never imagine it ever being back to 100%.

00:24:17.000 That's when I talked to you and you were like, hey, get to Austin.

00:24:21.000 And I was coming here anyway, you know, with my son to go surfing in the wave pool.

00:24:24.000 And you said, let's get some stem cells in that thing. 1.00

00:24:29.000 It was like night and day.

00:24:31.000 In about a week, it was a whole lot better.

00:24:33.000 Yeah, we got you into Ways to Well.

00:24:36.000 And my boy Brigham, he's awesome.

00:24:38.000 He's awesome.

00:24:39.000 And Denise.

00:24:40.000 And they got you a gang of stem cells and shot them in there.

00:24:45.000 I knew it was going to help.

00:24:46.000 It just helps.

00:24:47.000 You know, it's...

00:24:49.000 The technology and where medicine is at now with biologics, like stem cell recovery, it's all been, like, people that are skeptical about it.

00:25:00.000 There's a guy named Dr. Neil Reardon.

00:25:01.000 He's written many books on it, and there's many papers written on the effects of it.

00:25:06.000 It's not nonsense.

00:25:07.000 It's real.

00:25:07.000 I had a full-length rotator cuff tear in my right shoulder.

00:25:11.000 It's completely gone.

00:25:13.000 No surgery.

00:25:14.000 It just completely disappeared.

00:25:16.000 Completely healed back up because of stem cells.

00:25:19.000 I feel like there's some injuries where stem cells would be super effective, but it's not like, you know, like, Robitussin has that, like, put Robitussin on it.

00:25:27.000 That's an old Eddie Murphy bit, yeah.

00:25:29.000 So, like, I think there's some injuries that, like, stem cells may not do that much, but for, like, my knee or your rotator cuff, I mean, I'm, like, a true believer now.

00:25:39.000 There was so much friction in my knee before we did that that day.

00:25:44.000 It just felt so, I don't know, clicky and stiff and lots of friction, like I said, and then all of a sudden it just felt lubricated, like it was being supported from the inside.

00:25:53.000 It was pretty awesome.

00:25:54.000 For those who have never tried stem cells for anything, I'm baffled by it.

00:26:00.000 No, it's amazing.

00:26:01.000 My wife had a labrum, like a worn labrum. 1.00

00:26:05.000 It was like, I forget what it's called, a frayed labrum, that's what it was, in her hip. 0.98

00:26:09.000 And she was really worried that she was going to have to have surgery because a friend of ours, his wife, had a very similar issue.

00:26:15.000 She was a dancer. 1.00

00:26:16.000 And she was all set up for surgery.

00:26:19.000 They were all set up for surgery and they said, let's just try stem cells before the surgery.

00:26:24.000 So they gave, not my wife, my friend's wife.

00:26:27.000 They gave her stem cells, and she was like scheduled for surgery. 0.85

00:26:31.000 They gave her stem cells, and then when they went in for surgery to look at it, like there's no injury here anymore.

00:26:37.000 So they did an invasive, non-invasive with, you know, they do like a little scope to go in there.

00:26:42.000 Like the injury's gone.

00:26:43.000 And she was already saying that the pain had stopped happening.

00:26:46.000 So all of the fray, all of the tear in the labrum had healed itself from stem cells.

00:26:52.000 And the same thing happened to my wife. 0.99

00:26:53.000 Like she had this frayed labrum and it was like really fucking with her. 0.98

00:26:56.000 She had one shot of stem cells in there and then like a couple months later there's no more pain. 0.93

00:27:03.000 It just healed itself.

00:27:05.000 It's amazing what they can do.

00:27:06.000 It's not everything.

00:27:07.000 You can't fix everything with it. 0.88

00:27:09.000 But you can most certainly fix things that you were fucked just five years ago or ten years ago. 0.87

00:27:15.000 And I think ten years from now, they'll probably have it even better. 1.00

00:27:18.000 And if you go to other countries, They can do wild shit. 0.99

00:27:21.000 Like, I have friends that go down to Colombia and to Peru and Panama, and they get stem cells down there, and holy jabezus, they can just do all kinds of crazy shit. 0.99

00:27:31.000 They just have you down there for three or four days and just keep shooting you up. 0.96

00:27:34.000 Yeah.

00:27:35.000 And I don't know if it's dangerous.

00:27:36.000 I mean, I don't know why they can't do it in America.

00:27:38.000 I'm not sure.

00:27:40.000 I'm not sure, like, what the rub is, but the FDA gets in the way and cock blocks the stem cells. 0.98

00:27:45.000 Well, there's some fishy stuff out there that people are hawking and there's some doctors that are, you know, like the stem cells thing, like I was saying this morning, is like a side hustle for some of these guys.

00:27:55.000 And so I was like pretty kind of skeptical.

00:27:57.000 And honestly, thank you for inviting me out here to do it.

00:28:00.000 Oh, my pleasure.

00:28:01.000 Because I probably wouldn't have done it if you hadn't.

00:28:03.000 And I actually went and met with a couple of doctors about my back years ago.

00:28:07.000 About stem cells.

00:28:09.000 And the guys were sketch.

00:28:10.000 And you could tell it was like a lucrative side hustle for them.

00:28:14.000 And so I was so psyched to, you know, like meet the ways to well guys.

00:28:18.000 They're so legit and so super professional and just like talking to them.

00:28:22.000 And I just like my personal experience has been insane.

00:28:25.000 So thank you.

00:28:26.000 My pleasure.

00:28:27.000 My buddy, John Wolf, who's the head trainer over at the Honor Gym, he went down to Columbia for his back.

00:28:32.000 He went to the bioaccelerator people, and they shot stem cells into his discs in his spine, into all the discs that he was having issues with.

00:28:45.000 And he's like, my God.

00:28:47.000 They told me it was going to get worse before it got better because it'll be inflamed because of the treatment.

00:28:51.000 He goes, but honestly, it really didn't hurt that bad.

00:28:54.000 But within a couple of weeks, I started noticing I have more range of motion, more range of motion is back.

00:29:00.000 Conceivably, what they think they can do, whether they can do it now, it's hard to say what they're actually capable of doing in these other countries where they have way more leeway to try things out.

00:29:11.000 But conceivably in the future, They're going to be able to inject into the discs itself and you will grow more disc material. 0.98

00:29:19.000 So for people like me that have had like a lot of back trauma, like I've had from jujitsu in particular, everybody I know that does jujitsu has fucked up backs. 0.80

00:29:28.000 They all have fucked up discs because your discs shrink from just getting just smooshed all the time. 0.77

00:29:34.000 And they call it disc degeneration disease, but it's not really a disease. 0.98

00:29:39.000 It's not like you have tuberculosis.

00:29:41.000 It's more wear and tear.

00:29:42.000 It's just tear.

00:29:43.000 And your discs shrink.

00:29:46.000 And the problem is doctors want to just start fusing everything.

00:29:50.000 There's a lot of doctors.

00:29:51.000 Some doctors are more, they're looking at the body as a holistic unit and like, let's just keep everything healthy and let's see what we can do.

00:30:00.000 Alternative to surgery to try to help you.

00:30:02.000 But a lot of doctors are like, it's time to cut.

00:30:05.000 And I have friends that have had back surgery and the moment that they got Out of back surgery, other things started going wrong in their back, and then it was like a cascade. 0.99

00:30:13.000 It just kept happening, and they've had like three, four, five back surgeries where they have a bunch of discs that are fused together in their back, so their whole back is like this, and they're like a fucking... 0.98

00:30:24.000 A robot. 0.89

00:30:25.000 And then they have all sorts of weird problems.

00:30:27.000 Like I have one friend, one of his calves is atrophied because the nerves from the inflammation in his back surgery, there was an issue.

00:30:35.000 It went wrong. 0.99

00:30:36.000 And so his fucking calf is not getting the signals. 0.99

00:30:39.000 So his calf like shriveled up like a bone. 1.00

00:30:42.000 So one of his calves is like a fucking bone. 0.99

00:30:45.000 Oh, geez. 1.00

00:30:46.000 And he's a big fucking burly dude. 1.00

00:30:49.000 He's only got this one bullshit leg. 1.00

00:30:51.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:30:52.000 Well, I'm grateful for...

00:30:54.000 I'm back.

00:30:56.000 I'm surfing.

00:30:57.000 I'm back in the water.

00:30:58.000 And I'm so happy.

00:30:59.000 That's awesome.

00:31:00.000 Pretty gnarly.

00:31:02.000 The whole surgery sucked.

00:31:04.000 I had an amazing surgeon and a really good experience with that. 1.00

00:31:07.000 But it hurt like a bastard. 0.99

00:31:09.000 I mean, horribly sore. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Remember that scene in...

00:31:14.000 Remember Kathy Bates?

00:31:16.000 Oh, yes.

00:31:17.000 Misery.

00:31:18.000 Misery.

00:31:18.000 Remember when he wakes up and she has a sledgehammer?

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 She goes whack to his leg. 1.00

00:31:23.000 That's what I felt like.

00:31:24.000 That's what my knee felt like.

00:31:26.000 I felt like someone took a sledgehammer to it.

00:31:27.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:28.000 When I woke up back in my buddy's house after surgery, the pain was excruciating.

00:31:35.000 Then they had me in on...

00:31:38.000 Percocets, I think. 1.00

00:31:39.000 And, um, I got off them as soon as I could, but ugh, ugh, just hate pain medication, all that shit. 1.00

00:31:46.000 It's just gross. 0.99

00:31:47.000 And now I'm, like, back surfing, my knee's feeling better.

00:31:50.000 I got a really, really, really great, um...

00:31:53.000 Like a killer, custom knee brace that I wear surfing.

00:31:58.000 Oh, nice.

00:31:59.000 Yeah.

00:32:00.000 And it doesn't impede your movement?

00:32:01.000 No, not really.

00:32:02.000 Not at all.

00:32:03.000 That's great.

00:32:03.000 So it's fit to the size of your knee and everything.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, it's totally customized to the size of my leg, the size of my knee, the bones and everything.

00:32:09.000 Oh, that's great.

00:32:10.000 So you can do stuff while it's healing and it protects it.

00:32:13.000 Yeah.

00:32:13.000 And I wear it hunting and everything.

00:32:15.000 Oh, that's awesome.

00:32:16.000 So I can hunt in, you know, gnarlier terrain and walk up and down steep mountains.

00:32:21.000 And if I fall and eat crap, I don't hurt my knees.

00:32:23.000 And so, like, right now, there's no pain in it?

00:32:25.000 Does it feel weaker?

00:32:27.000 A little bit of weakness, yeah, for sure.

00:32:28.000 A little bit of weakness?

00:32:29.000 Yeah, I mean, the size of my thigh went down, like...

00:32:32.000 I think I lost like an inch of the circumference of my thigh muscle and just my leg right there by about an inch.

00:32:42.000 Isn't that wild how quick that happens?

00:32:43.000 In the first like three weeks.

00:32:44.000 Like immediately.

00:32:45.000 It's like your brain turns off the signal to your muscles like, okay, I want to shut this thing off.

00:32:50.000 Well, that was what was happening to my friend's calf.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:53.000 Weird.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 But I don't want to shy people completely away from back surgery. 0.99

00:32:59.000 Like my buddy Eddie Bravo, his back was fucked. 0.98

00:33:02.000 He had no disc tissue. 1.00

00:33:04.000 There was nothing in between the two.

00:33:06.000 It was just bone on bone on his back.

00:33:07.000 He was excruciating pain all the time.

00:33:09.000 And then they replaced it with a titanium disc.

00:33:13.000 They put an artificial disc and it works.

00:33:16.000 It means he doesn't have any real issues.

00:33:18.000 It was a little sore for a while and, you know, took a while to rehab it, but it works. 0.98

00:33:23.000 Think of all the shit, all the injuries that we've had and our friends have had that like 50, 60, 80 years ago, you basically would have just been like a cripple for the rest of your life. 0.98

00:33:33.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:33:33.000 And now they're just like, oh, yeah, just... 1.00

00:33:35.000 I'm feeling great.

00:33:36.000 I'm back to snowboarding. 1.00

00:33:37.000 You would have no fucking knees. 0.99

00:33:39.000 I'm going to snowboarding next month. 0.99

00:33:40.000 I can't wait.

00:33:40.000 I'm so excited.

00:33:41.000 Why are you doing that again?

00:33:42.000 Because snowboarding rules.

00:33:43.000 It's amazingly awesome.

00:33:45.000 My kid is obsessed with it now.

00:33:47.000 I'm going to take my wife. 0.98

00:33:48.000 My wife loves snowboarding. 0.79

00:33:50.000 We're going to go to Colorado.

00:33:51.000 I'm going to just chill.

00:33:52.000 No more trees.

00:33:54.000 Everybody says that.

00:33:54.000 No more aerials.

00:33:55.000 And then you start having fun. 0.98

00:33:56.000 You start fucking coasting and you just, yeah. 0.99

00:33:58.000 I'm going to keep my snowboard on the snow. 1.00

00:34:01.000 No airs, no cliffs, no trees.

00:34:03.000 I'm going to snowboard with my daughter, Charlie.

00:34:06.000 So, keeping it chill.

00:34:08.000 I had a similar... 0.97

00:34:08.000 Similar accident to what you had where someone was in front of me and I had I didn't want to hit them was some lady was skiing and she didn't know what she was doing and she sort of just slid backwards uncontrollably into the trail and I was coming around the corner I was like fuck And it was either hit this lady and wipe her out or find a way to fall. 0.97

00:34:30.000 And so I found a way, but it was not good because it was kind of icy. 0.97

00:34:33.000 And so my skis went out from under me, head first, banged my fucking head on the ground, fucked my leg up, wound up cracking my shin bone. 0.98

00:34:42.000 Wow. 0.99

00:34:43.000 Yeah, and I got a concussion.

00:34:45.000 And I was like delirious all day.

00:34:47.000 I went to sit on the chair comes around.

00:34:51.000 I went to sit on it and I timed it wrong and I just fell down.

00:34:54.000 And I couldn't figure out how to get up.

00:34:56.000 I was so loopy from being KO'd almost.

00:34:59.000 I mean, I was awake.

00:35:00.000 I never went out cold, but I was definitely concussed. 0.96

00:35:02.000 And so this lady had to help me get up like a dork. 1.00

00:35:06.000 I couldn't get up with skis on. 0.94

00:35:07.000 I was struggling, and I was holding up the line.

00:35:11.000 I'm going to keep doing all the stuff I love to do.

00:35:13.000 I don't love skiing.

00:35:14.000 I don't care how dangerous it is.

00:35:15.000 I mean, I do, to a point, but I just, I don't know.

00:35:19.000 I'm at the point in my life where I'm like, if I like to do it, I'm going to do it.

00:35:22.000 I get it.

00:35:23.000 I get that.

00:35:24.000 I just have never gotten skiing.

00:35:25.000 To me, it's like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt.

00:35:28.000 Didn't get hurt.

00:35:29.000 Try it again.

00:35:30.000 And the only reason why I go at all is because my family likes it.

00:35:32.000 My kids love it.

00:35:33.000 I've been snowboarding for decades and never really had a serious injury at all.

00:35:38.000 Well, maybe that one could have been prevented if you just were a little bit more cautious, right?

00:35:43.000 Yes, for sure, 100%.

00:35:44.000 And I'm very chill these days.

00:35:46.000 I know it's dangerous, so I snowboard safely.

00:35:48.000 You can always get taken out by a big lady sliding into you, though. 1.00

00:35:52.000 Well, she wasn't a big lady. 1.00

00:35:53.000 That was part of the problem.

00:35:55.000 She was a small lady.

00:35:56.000 I did not want to kill her.

00:35:57.000 I mean, I was coming around the corner, and this lady just was like, Backwards, sliding right into the trail. 1.00

00:36:04.000 I'm like, fuck! 0.99

00:36:05.000 I'm always terrified when you go from one run to the other. 1.00

00:36:08.000 That's when you get taken out.

00:36:11.000 That's why people are sliding down and you're trying to merge.

00:36:16.000 I've seen some gnarly ones.

00:36:18.000 But injuries like that, man, they're wake-up calls of how fragile your body is.

00:36:26.000 You don't really pay that much attention to it until something gets injured.

00:36:30.000 And you're like, God, everything is so soft and mushy.

00:36:33.000 I was listening to a podcast with you and Sanjay Gupta this morning when I was in the gym.

00:36:38.000 And you guys started, I didn't get to that part, but you guys started talking about how you did Taekwondo, is that right?

00:36:43.000 Yes.

00:36:43.000 And then you stopped doing it because you were fearful about your brain being injured?

00:36:48.000 Yeah, there was definitely a lot of head trauma from that, but it was really more when I started kickboxing.

00:36:54.000 That's when I really started thinking about it.

00:36:56.000 Because in kickboxing, we were sparring a lot and you're getting hit in the head a lot.

00:37:02.000 And gym fights.

00:37:03.000 There's something that I just pulled up.

00:37:07.000 Jamie, see if you can find this.

00:37:09.000 I think I saved it, but they're essentially saying that...

00:37:15.000 Gym trauma, like trauma from getting punched.

00:37:20.000 Oh, go to the UG on Instagram.

00:37:25.000 There was an article, and I think they linked to the article, but they're saying that as much as 10 times the damage you get from fights, guys are getting from the gym.

00:37:36.000 Wow.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:38.000 From the gym.

00:37:39.000 Because they spar so hard in the gym, and you're doing it all the time.

00:37:42.000 There's a lot of guys, and I grew up at a time where people were not aware of CTE like they are now.

00:37:49.000 They thought people had brain damage if they were punch drunk, but they really thought it was after you got knocked out too many times.

00:37:56.000 They didn't realize that it's just from accumulation of sub-concussive blows.

00:38:01.000 So there it is.

00:38:01.000 This is the study.

00:38:02.000 A new study finding MMA fighters take 10 times more head trauma in training compared to fights.

00:38:08.000 10 times.

00:38:09.000 So think about all these fights that you see where people are in these crazy wild wars and now imagine that they get 10 times more of that trauma in the gym. 0.97

00:38:18.000 There's Cub Swanson just fucking winding up. 0.97

00:38:21.000 Wow. 0.99

00:38:22.000 Yeah.

00:38:23.000 So did you have some brain injuries that you were spooked by?

00:38:26.000 Or you just were like, hey, this is sketchy going forward.

00:38:30.000 I need to mellow out on this stuff?

00:38:31.000 I had a lot of headaches.

00:38:32.000 Bad headaches after sparring.

00:38:34.000 I remember one time I was lying in bed.

00:38:36.000 There's this guy that I used to spar with all the time.

00:38:39.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:38:40.000 He's a crazy story.

00:38:42.000 I knew him when he was younger.

00:38:44.000 And we were both the same age.

00:38:46.000 And then he went to jail.

00:38:47.000 And then four or five years later, he got out of jail.

00:38:52.000 And he was like a totally different person.

00:38:54.000 He got out of jail.

00:38:55.000 He was like really jacked and then just super wild, like crazy.

00:39:00.000 And he was telling me stories of jail, like having to fight guys and fight guys.

00:39:04.000 Like he got a mop stick and took on three guys with like a mop handle.

00:39:09.000 You need to get him on the podcast.

00:39:10.000 He's dead.

00:39:11.000 Oh, geez.

00:39:11.000 Yeah.

00:39:12.000 He's like, dude, I was fighting for my fucking life. 0.99

00:39:14.000 It was crazy. 0.99

00:39:16.000 But he had become like feral while he was in prison.

00:39:19.000 He was a different guy.

00:39:20.000 And when we would spar, we were going to war.

00:39:23.000 Dude, prison's like a jungle.

00:39:25.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:39:26.000 Well, he was also in prison for like heavy shit, like selling drugs and having guns. 0.99

00:39:31.000 It was heavy duty stuff. 0.98

00:39:33.000 And when we would spar, and he was like a training partner I sparred with a lot.

00:39:40.000 We would not spar like it was touching each other.

00:39:44.000 You're supposed to spar light.

00:39:45.000 We went full blast all the time.

00:39:48.000 And I would be lying in bed sometimes.

00:39:50.000 I remember very specifically this one time.

00:39:52.000 I was lying in bed.

00:39:54.000 I was broke.

00:39:55.000 I was like 20 years old and I'm lying in bed.

00:39:58.000 My head's pounding.

00:39:59.000 Just boom, boom, boom.

00:40:01.000 And I don't have any money.

00:40:02.000 I don't have any health insurance.

00:40:04.000 I don't know what my future is.

00:40:06.000 I'm like, what am I doing with my life? 0.99

00:40:07.000 And I'm like, I am here getting fucking brain damage. 0.99

00:40:10.000 This is definitely going to give me brain damage. 1.00

00:40:12.000 My head is killing me. 0.84

00:40:14.000 And it's just from being punched in the head.

00:40:16.000 That's scary.

00:40:17.000 That is really scary.

00:40:18.000 All the years of sparring, like how many times I got hit in the head and I'm like, what if one day I'm gone?

00:40:26.000 Like now I become this brain damaged guy.

00:40:28.000 Because there was guys that I knew from the gym that I knew them years ago and they were one way and now I know them and they're like slurring their words.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 And I feel like there's like this kind of slow buildup where you don't notice it and then all of a sudden it's too late.

00:40:42.000 It's like a slippery slope.

00:40:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:40:46.000 The reason I was asking you about that is because when I was listening about it this morning, I was thinking about I've had a lot of radical concussions from surfing and I had about five of them within like a four year period.

00:40:59.000 Really?

00:40:59.000 And they become successively easier to get.

00:41:02.000 Like I became more fragile and more prone to concussions as time went on.

00:41:07.000 I was surfing big waves. 0.65

00:41:08.000 I was eating shit off like 50 foot waves, falling, you know, 30, 40 feet, 50 feet onto moving water. 0.92

00:41:18.000 Water that's moving super fast. 0.98

00:41:20.000 It feels like you're falling onto concrete.

00:41:23.000 And I was getting really horrible, horrible concussions where I was throwing up and like nauseous for 48 hours and like just really bad situations.

00:41:30.000 And I never really equated it to brain injury.

00:41:36.000 I don't know.

00:41:36.000 I just didn't really know that that's...

00:41:38.000 I didn't really know that concussions were bad for you.

00:41:41.000 I just figured they were bad.

00:41:42.000 They were like sore, and they're painful, and they're horribly, you know, they'd sucked when you're going through it, but then it was no big deal.

00:41:48.000 And then about two years ago, I was on a boat trip, and I met this guy, Fred, who's from California, and we started chatting about what we do, and he owns the Brain Treatment Center in California.

00:42:01.000 And he's like, this is what I do.

00:42:03.000 I have this brain treatment center.

00:42:04.000 And he's like, next time you're in California, you should come by and get an EEG, like get a reading of your brain.

00:42:10.000 And then you can just see what it looks like after all these concussions you're telling me about.

00:42:14.000 And so next time I was in California, I did that.

00:42:16.000 I got an EEG. And then it was really cool.

00:42:18.000 Like one of the scientists from the company, we did a rad Zoom call.

00:42:21.000 So he took me through my whole, like my scan report with all the data and all the charts and what it meant.

00:42:28.000 And it was so surreal.

00:42:30.000 He was telling me – I'd never met this guy in my life, this guy named Spencer.

00:42:32.000 And he goes – he was telling me specifically about myself, about stuff that was so detailed and so nuanced about my personality type and who I was that it was stuff my wife probably wouldn't even know.

00:42:44.000 It was that.

00:42:46.000 He could read that from your brain scan?

00:42:48.000 You're like this.

00:42:49.000 Like your thought processes, like your strengths and how your brain works.

00:42:54.000 And here's where you for sure have all these really detailed things about like if I study a lot or read a lot, I get super exhausted.

00:43:02.000 At the time, I was getting like crazy exhausted, like brain fatigue and like...

00:43:07.000 I love to read.

00:43:09.000 When I read, I get horribly tired and fall asleep right away.

00:43:11.000 I couldn't read.

00:43:13.000 And I had a lot of ADHD-style symptoms like brain fog, mental clarity issues, forgetfulness, leaving things, just being a space case, but kind of really extreme.

00:43:25.000 I felt like it was getting worse as I got older.

00:43:28.000 And so the next time I was in San Diego I went to the clinic and I got this like a week's worth of brain treatments.

00:43:37.000 Have you ever done brain treatment?

00:43:38.000 No.

00:43:40.000 It was a trip.

00:43:41.000 So the San Diego, is that the place where they use magnets?

00:43:45.000 Yeah.

00:43:46.000 My friend Kat Zingano went there.

00:43:48.000 She's a fighter for the UFC. She had this wild fight with Amanda Nunes and she won the fight. 0.99

00:43:55.000 She stopped Amanda, but in the first round she took so much trauma. 0.86

00:44:00.000 That it fucked up the cortisol levels of her brain.

00:44:03.000 Her hormones were all out of whack. 0.58

00:44:04.000 She was gaining weight.

00:44:05.000 She was depressed.

00:44:06.000 And her body wouldn't move right. 1.00

00:44:07.000 Her coordination was all fucked up. 0.97

00:44:09.000 And she got all of her movement back from this magnetic training. 0.99

00:44:14.000 I know they do it with a lot of soldiers as well.

00:44:16.000 Yeah.

00:44:17.000 So I guess the reason I was telling you about mine is because my experience has been super good.

00:44:22.000 It's helped me a ton.

00:44:23.000 What was the effect of it?

00:44:25.000 So I had a week's worth of in-clinic brain treatments, which are like, I think they were like 45 minutes long each time.

00:44:31.000 I did a week's worth of that every morning in San Diego.

00:44:34.000 And then they sent me an in-home unit that I did for 30 days.

00:44:39.000 It was really cool.

00:44:39.000 So based off my EEG, like my brain scan, They do like, it's almost like I'm doing like those invisible teeth aligners right now, like braces.

00:44:52.000 Invisalign?

00:44:52.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 So like, you know, when they do that, they scan your teeth, they show you what your teeth look like now, and they show you what your teeth are going to look like in a year or six months or whatever it is.

00:45:00.000 And like week by week, it gets closer to this finished product.

00:45:04.000 It was kind of similar to that.

00:45:05.000 They go, here's your brain.

00:45:07.000 Here's what it looks like.

00:45:08.000 And basically, the back of your brain, the middle of your brain, and the front of your brain I don't know this stuff very well, right?

00:45:13.000 But they are three separate parts, but they work as one.

00:45:17.000 And you really want that alignment.

00:45:19.000 You want the back, the middle, and the front to have alignment.

00:45:22.000 Like all the energy and how you process information is all fucked up if the signals are crossed.

00:45:29.000 And if your brain is not aligned back, middle, and front, you're going to have issues, major issues.

00:45:34.000 In mine, the back was fine.

00:45:36.000 The middle was pretty good.

00:45:37.000 But the front, it was completely off.

00:45:40.000 And like this, like you want to see like basically on the chart, you want to see like this mountain range all in the middle in one.

00:45:46.000 Mountain range.

00:45:46.000 Real steep, like a chart.

00:45:47.000 And what is it representing?

00:45:49.000 Is it representing brain function?

00:45:50.000 Brain function.

00:45:51.000 Yeah.

00:45:52.000 And how you process information.

00:45:54.000 And so they were like, look, here's where your problem is.

00:45:57.000 It's in the front of your brain and a little bit in the middle.

00:46:00.000 And over all these treatments, it's going to be like, here's where you are now.

00:46:04.000 Here's where your brain would be optimum.

00:46:06.000 And it's like my brain.

00:46:08.000 It wasn't like, here's the optimum brain.

00:46:11.000 It's like showing me my teeth all jacked up and where my teeth are going to be in six months when it's finished.

00:46:16.000 And so they use this personalized...

00:46:20.000 Like artificial intelligence reads through like hundreds of thousands of brain scans that they have.

00:46:25.000 So it's like if I have a certain type of brain, they have an optimum like artificial intelligence basically spits out like a program for my brain.

00:46:33.000 So I had like a USB. So they sent me this really cool in-home machine and like a little USB drive with my brain data on it.

00:46:41.000 So I click it in, I turn it on, I put the thing on for 30 minutes.

00:46:44.000 And after 30 days, I mean, well, after the first, I should say this, after the first week in the in-clinic stuff, I was 17% closer to the finished brain.

00:46:54.000 Wow.

00:46:55.000 Yeah, and I could see it.

00:46:56.000 How I said it was like the brain activity on the chart from the scan, it should be all three, the front, back, front, middle, and back should have a steep, like a mountain range in the middle.

00:47:06.000 And my front was like dull and short and off to the side.

00:47:09.000 And after one week, I was 17% closer to where my brain would be when it was totally optimized and perfect.

00:47:16.000 In a perfect world, how often would you do it?

00:47:19.000 Well, your brain is interesting because it's not like a muscle.

00:47:22.000 Like, say I started doing curls with, like, 30-pound dumbbells every day, and my muscles got jacked after six months, and then I put those things down and never did it again, my arms just go back to normal, right?

00:47:31.000 Your brain's not like that.

00:47:33.000 Your brain, once you, like, say you have a perfect brain, and you get punched in the head by Usman 100,000 times, and then your brain's all beat up.

00:47:43.000 That's going to stay beat up until you change it.

00:47:45.000 So if you have brain treatment and it works really well, it pulls your brain back in a more optimized type of situation.

00:47:51.000 And so for me, once my brain, after the 30 days, my brain was in a lot better shape.

00:47:56.000 Everything was aligned.

00:47:57.000 The first thing I noticed is I had a whole lot more energy in the afternoons.

00:48:03.000 I used to have to drink an energy drink or whatever it was.

00:48:06.000 I needed some sort of boost in the afternoon to stay super sharp.

00:48:10.000 And then I immediately had more energy.

00:48:12.000 I would get less brain fatigue from reading or doing research or, you know.

00:48:17.000 And then I was more clear, like more mental clarity.

00:48:20.000 I just felt way sharper. 0.99

00:48:22.000 That's fucking awesome. 0.97

00:48:23.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:48:24.000 It's so cool that they have that now because for the longest time there was no real treatments.

00:48:28.000 Yeah.

00:48:28.000 My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, he works with the Warrior Angel Foundation, which works with soldiers that have had traumatic brain injuries, and he's a TBI expert.

00:48:40.000 And he says that people can get TBI from a lot of things that you would assume are innocuous.

00:48:46.000 One of them, he said, is jet skis.

00:48:49.000 I go, really?

00:48:50.000 He goes, yeah, man.

00:48:51.000 He goes, this thing where you go, bang, bang, bang.

00:48:54.000 He goes, every time you're doing that, when you're riding waves and bouncing up and down, he's like, your brain is sloshing around inside your head.

00:49:03.000 I go, no way.

00:49:04.000 That can give you brain. 0.97

00:49:05.000 He goes, oh, yeah.

00:49:05.000 He goes, soccer?

00:49:07.000 He goes, when you're headbutting that ball, that can give you CBI or TBI? You would never think with surfing.

00:49:13.000 No.

00:49:13.000 I never thought that.

00:49:14.000 And then I'm really good friends with a bunch of big wave surfers, and a lot of them are starting to have brain issues.

00:49:19.000 Really bad.

00:49:20.000 Because you're having these huge wipeouts where you're free falling for stories, right? 0.97

00:49:26.000 And then you get smashed and the wave rattles the shit out of you like really crazy. 0.98

00:49:31.000 And your brain is like inside of fluid inside of your skull and it's just like rattling back and forth like crazy. 0.96

00:49:36.000 What was the gentleman's name that came in, the big giant football player guy with the iron neck?

00:49:42.000 Is it Mike Jolly? 0.78

00:49:46.000 He developed this piece of equipment called the Iron Neck to strengthen your neck that will help prevent a lot of brain injury because a lot of brain injury is having a weak neck and your head just gets fucking whipped around. 0.75

00:50:01.000 And so he has this... 0.85

00:50:04.000 Do you know what an Iron Neck is?

00:50:06.000 I don't.

00:50:07.000 It's like a halo that you put on and you tighten it down and then it has a bungee cord on the back of it.

00:50:13.000 So you pull against the bungee cord and then you rotate your neck back and forth and you can adjust the tension on how hard...

00:50:19.000 Look, I have a video.

00:50:21.000 I'll show this to you, Jamie.

00:50:23.000 This is a video of what it looks like when you're doing it.

00:50:29.000 I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.

00:50:31.000 I was watching...

00:50:32.000 How good was...

00:50:34.000 Here, Jim, I just sent you a video.

00:50:37.000 Oh, there's one.

00:50:38.000 There's a video.

00:50:39.000 Wow, what a trip.

00:50:40.000 So he was a football player who played in the NFL, and so he developed this thing.

00:50:45.000 And so you back up on this bungee cord, and then you turn...

00:50:50.000 He was teaching me how to do it there.

00:50:51.000 And then he was trying to...

00:50:53.000 You keep your shoulders straight, and you turn your head side to side...

00:51:00.000 And I don't know if you can see the difference in my neck then and now, but my neck is way stronger now.

00:51:10.000 Your neck is stronger.

00:51:11.000 Oh my god.

00:51:12.000 It's bigger.

00:51:13.000 I sent you a video.

00:51:14.000 The video is me using it the other day.

00:51:17.000 My neck is way stronger now because I do it all the time.

00:51:20.000 So I've got all this meat now in my neck that I never had before.

00:51:25.000 For jujitsu, it's gigantic.

00:51:27.000 So this is what it looks like now.

00:51:29.000 You can see my neck is way bigger than it ever was before.

00:51:35.000 Good luck getting a suit, like a shirt that's going to fit.

00:51:39.000 No, I wear custom suits. 1.00

00:51:41.000 I have them made for this fucking chimp body. 1.00

00:51:42.000 For that neck. 1.00

00:51:44.000 Yeah, look at my neck.

00:51:45.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:51:45.000 Yeah, it is crazy.

00:51:46.000 Look at how much bigger it is.

00:51:47.000 You can see in that old video versus now how much bigger my neck is.

00:51:50.000 It's way bigger.

00:51:51.000 So I'm doing this at least once a week, usually twice a week.

00:51:55.000 And I have a series of exercises that I do.

00:51:58.000 Oh, it's working.

00:51:58.000 I can tell you that.

00:51:59.000 Yeah, it works, man.

00:52:00.000 It's working.

00:52:00.000 But for jujitsu, it's gigantic.

00:52:02.000 To have a strong neck is gigantic.

00:52:04.000 But for anything, I think when your head gets whipped around, my head is not going to get whipped around like that.

00:52:10.000 It's stabilized more.

00:52:12.000 It protects you.

00:52:14.000 I'll throw you over the falls on an 80-foot wave.

00:52:16.000 That's not going to help.

00:52:18.000 That amount of force, when I watch you go down these crazy waves and I see what's behind you, it's so terrifying.

00:52:28.000 Just the idea that that can come smashing down on your head at any moment.

00:52:32.000 And it does.

00:52:34.000 It not only might come down on you, it does.

00:52:37.000 It's only a matter of time it's going to happen for sure. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:52:40.000 It's something that you have to train for and expect. 1.00

00:52:43.000 When it hits you, what is the protocol?

00:52:46.000 What are you supposed to do when you get hit?

00:52:48.000 Well, I mean, it's more like before.

00:52:51.000 It's like when you get hit.

00:52:53.000 When you know it's happening.

00:52:56.000 When you know the wave is about to collapse on you.

00:52:59.000 What do you do?

00:53:02.000 I mean, you just execute your plan that you have.

00:53:08.000 Like for me, it was more...

00:53:10.000 And I don't do as much big wave stuff as I once did.

00:53:14.000 I'm 49 now and trying to mellow out.

00:53:17.000 I still love big waves, but it was my life for a while.

00:53:20.000 And at the time, I was training like a madman, like super physically fit, working out six days a week, super high, like crazy intense.

00:53:29.000 And I was working with like breath coaches to do like breath work and stuff.

00:53:32.000 So as soon as I would paddle into the lineup when I was surfing big waves, I was breathing to where I was oxygenating my lungs.

00:53:41.000 Did I say that right? 0.97

00:53:42.000 And so you basically try to get as much air into your lungs as possible when you know you're about to eat shit or go under a really huge wave. 0.99

00:53:51.000 And then it's just a matter of holding your breath. 0.91

00:53:54.000 So you just take a giant deep breath right before you go in there?

00:53:56.000 Yeah, like crazy.

00:53:58.000 And you stuff your lungs everywhere else as much as you can.

00:54:01.000 You pack your lungs with as much air as you can.

00:54:04.000 Is that you?

00:54:04.000 Oh my god, Shane Dorian!

00:54:07.000 What the fuck?! 1.00

00:54:09.000 Jesus Christ, that's scary! 0.99

00:54:10.000 And that's me eating shit. 1.00

00:54:12.000 Wow, but look at this. 1.00

00:54:14.000 Oh my God, that's so wild, dude. 0.99

00:54:18.000 And when you eat shit that hard, and it comes down on you that hard, like, how much time does it take before you can get up to the surface? 0.99

00:54:27.000 It really depends. 0.99

00:54:28.000 I mean, in a really bad situation, I had one wipeout off the coast of Northern California in Half Moon Bay at this wave called Mavericks, where This chick was on a boat filming and she filmed me eating shit much like that.

00:54:43.000 And I was underwater.

00:54:44.000 She was filming my board and it was tombstoning, meaning she could only see the top half of my surfboard.

00:54:49.000 The bottom half was underwater and I was at the end of like a 15-foot leash to my surfboard.

00:54:57.000 My board is about 10 and a half feet long.

00:54:59.000 My leash was 15 feet long.

00:55:00.000 And then I was at the very bottom of that leash.

00:55:04.000 And I was underwater for a minute and about 8 seconds.

00:55:07.000 A long time.

00:55:08.000 It doesn't sound like that long, right? 0.99

00:55:10.000 Fucking sounds like a long ass time. 0.98

00:55:12.000 But I did a lot of breath training. 0.99

00:55:13.000 Or I didn't do a lot of breath training.

00:55:14.000 But I did some breath training.

00:55:15.000 And like...

00:55:16.000 Basically, your static breath hold, like whatever you can do in a pool with a calm heart rate, you can basically, under pressure, like if your heart rate's going crazy, you can hold your breath for a quarter of your static breath hold.

00:55:30.000 Oh my god!

00:55:31.000 So like when I do my static, but when I, yeah, isn't that scary?

00:55:35.000 It's terrifying.

00:55:36.000 But it's powerful because if you know that you have, say hypothetically, you have a four minute breath hold static, then that means under pressure, like in a situation like that, where your heart rate's really high and you're getting the shit kicked out of you, you should be able to hold your breath for one minute.

00:55:51.000 And survive.

00:55:52.000 Yeah, but I can't hold my breath for four minutes.

00:55:55.000 I think when we did that thing with David Blaine...

00:55:57.000 How long do you think you can do it?

00:55:58.000 We didn't finish it, but you did it for quite a long time.

00:56:01.000 And he was about to teach us how to do it longer, but we didn't get that far.

00:56:05.000 They can teach you how to do it longer.

00:56:06.000 Well, I did it longer than everybody else, but I still didn't think it was that long.

00:56:09.000 Over two minutes, I think.

00:56:11.000 Yeah, but that's not that long.

00:56:12.000 But I don't think it was four, yeah.

00:56:13.000 Yeah, I think it was like two and a half minutes.

00:56:15.000 But Vasily Lomachenko, one of the things he does for every fight is he tries to make his ability to hold his breath longer.

00:56:21.000 And for this last one, he got to four minutes and 30 seconds, which is like two seconds longer than his previous run.

00:56:27.000 Those are rookie numbers.

00:56:28.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:56:28.000 I would imagine for a free surfer or a free diver, right?

00:56:31.000 It's got to be so good for him, right?

00:56:33.000 It's a huge advantage.

00:56:34.000 That lung capacity is massive with fighting.

00:56:37.000 Yes, for sure.

00:56:38.000 I think he does it also just for mental toughness, just the ability to steal his mind.

00:56:46.000 A lot of it is just being...

00:56:48.000 For me, it was great because I had that... 0.99

00:56:51.000 If you don't know that, if you don't know the science behind holding your breath for a long time under pressure with a high heart rate, then you just go into these wipeouts like, fuck, I hope I survive. 0.99

00:56:59.000 I need to hold my breath! 1.00

00:57:01.000 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 The longest I held my breath during the breath training thing that I did was 5 minutes and 34 seconds.

00:57:31.000 Well, hope is not a good thing for any skill.

00:57:34.000 No.

00:57:35.000 Like, I hope the ball goes in the net.

00:57:36.000 It's not going in.

00:57:37.000 I hope I make this shot.

00:57:38.000 I'm not making the shot.

00:57:39.000 Like, in archery, you can't hope you hit the vitals.

00:57:43.000 You have to know you're going to hit the vitals.

00:57:46.000 When you release that arrow, that arrow... 1.00

00:57:48.000 You have to have fucking... 1.00

00:57:50.000 Hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of training. 1.00

00:57:52.000 If you're hoping, you're toast. 1.00

00:57:53.000 You're hoping you're fucked. 1.00

00:57:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:54.000 You're fucked. 1.00

00:57:55.000 And it's like that with big waves. 1.00

00:57:56.000 So for me, I was like, okay, I can hold my breath for five minutes and 34 seconds.

00:58:00.000 And so I can, so 25% of that, I can do that with a high heart rate.

00:58:04.000 That's your record is 534?

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:07.000 When those free divers get to like seven, eight minutes, like what are they doing different?

00:58:12.000 They're just- Well, and I only did one three-day course of, like, breath training or four-day course.

00:58:18.000 So they teach you the science behind breath holding.

00:58:20.000 And they help you with, like, things to think about to get your static higher and higher and higher.

00:58:25.000 Well, give us the cliff notes.

00:58:26.000 Like, what are they...

00:58:29.000 Essentially, they have you hold your breath right at the start, see what your static breath hold is.

00:58:34.000 And then they teach you how to hold it for longer.

00:58:37.000 And so it's almost like meditation.

00:58:39.000 For me, you don't think of time.

00:58:43.000 You don't count the seconds.

00:58:45.000 You think about things that have...

00:58:48.000 They were like, okay, think about something that's super detailed and go through that process while you're holding your breath.

00:58:53.000 So I was in the pool, and a guy's timing me, and I'm in a wetsuit, and I go underwater, and I packed my bags to go hunting on lanai.

00:59:01.000 Yeah.

00:59:02.000 So I was like, hey...

00:59:04.000 So I started holding my breath, I went underwater, and I was like, okay, what do I need for my hunting trip on Lanai?

00:59:09.000 I need, how many arrows do I need?

00:59:12.000 Three dozen.

00:59:15.000 And then I was like, okay, I got my broadheads, then I gotta get my boots, okay, now I gotta get my waterproof boots, now I gotta get my, like, sneaking shoes, okay, what socks do I need?

00:59:24.000 Like, super detailed...

00:59:26.000 Super boring stuff that you know really well and I went through that whole packing thing and then I like literally I got in my truck in my mind drove down to the airport got on the plane flew there got off the plane it was like all this stuff was happening and then I didn't know how much time had passed and then after and then you know you have that involuntary urge to breathe you know have you ever hold hold your breath for a long time and all of a sudden you go Yeah.

00:59:51.000 Your stomach starts doing this thing where it's like telling your brain you need to breathe now or else you're gonna die.

00:59:56.000 It's not true.

00:59:58.000 So when you do these breath holding classes it's really neat because they tell you like when that urge to breathe that tells you you need to breathe right now or you're gonna black out or die or whatever it is especially if you're underwater it's really scary right?

01:00:09.000 And so they teach you to go okay you need to hold through these big contractions.

01:00:16.000 And so like these contractions are happening and you're not paying attention to them when you're like in this meditative type of mindset and that's how you can hold your breath for a super long time.

01:00:24.000 So when you go through them, does it ever get easier when you hit those things or is it just something you learn how to deal with?

01:00:33.000 It's super uncomfortable, right?

01:00:34.000 And so you learn to deal with it.

01:00:36.000 You learn to go, okay, this is totally normal.

01:00:38.000 I know I can hold through multiple minutes of these contractions.

01:00:43.000 This urge.

01:00:44.000 Yeah.

01:00:44.000 So then you end up like not even paying attention to them.

01:00:46.000 Really?

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 So it's still uncomfortable.

01:00:49.000 But you need to at the end because you get really like spacey and relaxed like super in this meditative state to where like at the end because they start speeding up.

01:00:58.000 Those contractions start speeding up and when they get to a certain when they get to a certain you know when they start happening fast enough you black out.

01:01:07.000 So when I was doing this underwater training, you know, you do it with a partner.

01:01:12.000 There's a guy watching you all the time.

01:01:13.000 So you don't have a shallow water blackout and you don't drown.

01:01:17.000 Jesus.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 But it was great because when I would go surfing after that, I was like, shit, I can hold my breath for like, I forget what it was, like a minute and 45 seconds under pressure and they tested you.

01:01:27.000 They would make you do squats or run in the field and then run back and do squats with your eyes closed. 0.74

01:01:33.000 And then someone would push you as fast as they could from the back.

01:01:37.000 And so you'd try to get that air.

01:01:39.000 You'd be doing squats with your eyes closed.

01:01:40.000 You never knew when they were going to push you.

01:01:42.000 And they would push you.

01:01:43.000 And then as you were falling into the pool, in one second you had to try and get as much air as you could.

01:01:47.000 It was very similar to a wipeout serving.

01:01:49.000 So from the moment that you realized you were going in, you had to go...

01:01:53.000 As fast as you could.

01:01:54.000 And then as soon as you hit the water, there was two divers in the water.

01:01:56.000 They would hold you underwater and like spin you around like you're in a washing machine.

01:02:00.000 Oh, whoa.

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 And then they would let you go.

01:02:03.000 And then right before you got to the surface, they'd pull you back down and pull you back down.

01:02:05.000 And they had watches.

01:02:06.000 So they would be like, okay, Shane can hold his breath for a minute and 45 seconds under stress.

01:02:11.000 And so they would do it until you blacked out.

01:02:14.000 And did you black out?

01:02:14.000 And they'd bring you up.

01:02:15.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 Oh my god.

01:02:16.000 A couple different times. 1.00

01:02:17.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:02:18.000 Yeah, it was horrible. 1.00

01:02:19.000 And I felt like I had like concussion type symptoms after it.

01:02:23.000 So for two days we did this kind of training and every single night I went home and like threw up and felt gross.

01:02:28.000 Maybe you were getting concussions.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, but it was worth it.

01:02:32.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

01:02:33.000 Yeah, it was great training.

01:02:34.000 The knowledge.

01:02:35.000 It made me more confident, made me stronger, and it helped me feel safer serving big waves.

01:02:42.000 I would imagine for someone that does what you do, that's a prerequisite.

01:02:46.000 You have to have that ability to hold your breath that long.

01:02:49.000 There's some guys who do what I do, and they just roll up on the boat or roll up on the cliff and check the surf.

01:02:54.000 Oh, it's 60 feet, and they're like, I'm out there, spark a dirt, just start smoking a cigarette.

01:03:00.000 We're out there, dude.

01:03:01.000 Yeah.

01:03:02.000 I mean, some of them don't train at all, smoke cigarettes, like have big nights right before surfing, and you really, at that point, you're hoping for the best.

01:03:09.000 You know, you're playing with fire.

01:03:11.000 Yeah, what happens when one of those guys gets sucked under?

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:14.000 And there's been a bunch of guys who died that I've known, you know?

01:03:18.000 Really close friends who passed waves serving big waves.

01:03:20.000 So it's nothing to mess with.

01:03:23.000 Have you known anybody that got bit by a shark?

01:03:25.000 Yes.

01:03:26.000 How many guys?

01:03:27.000 One of my friends got bit by a shark less than a week ago.

01:03:30.000 Yeah.

01:03:31.000 How is he?

01:03:32.000 He was almost positive he was a great white shark.

01:03:34.000 Oh, Jesus!

01:03:37.000 And how's this?

01:03:38.000 It was in Hawaii.

01:03:39.000 Really?

01:03:39.000 It was at my home break.

01:03:40.000 That's crazy.

01:03:41.000 Banyans in Kona on the Big Island.

01:03:43.000 Isn't that rare?

01:03:43.000 They had been seeing a great white for three weeks in that area.

01:03:47.000 A lot of like the...

01:03:48.000 A lot of like...

01:03:49.000 They have like manta ray boats and dolphin boats and like whale watching boats go out.

01:03:55.000 And I'm buddies with some of these guys and they've been seeing a great white. 0.86

01:03:58.000 They've been filming it on the surface.

01:03:59.000 This big, big like a 12 of a great white. 0.75

01:04:02.000 And this guy... 0.93

01:04:03.000 His name is Jared Williford and he's a crazy fisherman.

01:04:08.000 He catches like full-size massive blue marlin off the coast of Kona in his kayak. 0.77

01:04:13.000 He's like a dude with dreads.

01:04:15.000 He's like real stony baloney. 0.90

01:04:16.000 What? 0.93

01:04:17.000 How does he catch him off a kayak?

01:04:18.000 He catches him with his fishing pole with a kayak.

01:04:21.000 Like he's on a boat, but he just goes with his kayak.

01:04:22.000 And he'll hook up with a marlin or a big tuna, and it'll pull him miles out to sea on his kayak.

01:04:29.000 I've had multiple friends who fish for a living.

01:04:32.000 They're like, dude, I saw Jared with a marlin on his kayak.

01:04:36.000 I'm dead serious. 0.99

01:04:37.000 He's crazy. 0.99

01:04:38.000 That's so wild. 0.98

01:04:39.000 So he had a run-in with a great white a couple weeks before. 1.00

01:04:43.000 He was telling guys at the beach, I had a run-in with a great white when I was on my kayak and everyone just figured he was full of shit. 1.00

01:04:51.000 There's no way. 0.99

01:04:53.000 I should pull it up on my phone.

01:04:57.000 So there's webcams at a lot of these surf breaks now.

01:05:00.000 And at my home break at Banyans, there's a webcam now.

01:05:03.000 It's a surf line webcam.

01:05:04.000 So 24 hours a day there's a camera.

01:05:06.000 And so his attack is on camera.

01:05:09.000 Yeah.

01:05:11.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:05:12.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:05:12.000 Video of a surfer being attacked and dragged underwater by a shark at Banyons on Hawaii's Big Island. 0.71

01:05:17.000 Wham!

01:05:18.000 Nails him right there.

01:05:19.000 He's down.

01:05:20.000 Now he's gonna pop up and swim to that guy.

01:05:23.000 Yeah.

01:05:23.000 So there's a video.

01:05:24.000 This is the video right here.

01:05:25.000 Oh, play this.

01:05:27.000 Sweet baby Jesus.

01:05:29.000 This is where I grew up surfing.

01:05:31.000 I don't know.

01:05:32.000 Where's the video?

01:05:33.000 There it is.

01:05:33.000 Click on that.

01:05:35.000 So this is my home break.

01:05:36.000 I've been surfing this since I was five years old.

01:05:43.000 He's underwater.

01:05:50.000 So that was a girl next to him. 0.82

01:05:57.000 Whoa.

01:05:58.000 A girl was paddling out next to him.

01:06:00.000 Shark comes up, grabs him, takes him underwater, and he comes up and hangs onto that girl's surfboard.

01:06:07.000 His board's gone.

01:06:09.000 Oh, my God.

01:06:11.000 You can see the size of the shark's huge, too.

01:06:14.000 You don't see it much.

01:06:15.000 No, you see the fin, though, come up.

01:06:18.000 So it grabbed the board and him, and how badly did he get bit?

01:06:22.000 It shredded his forearm pretty much completely.

01:06:26.000 Yeah.

01:06:27.000 Oh my god.

01:06:28.000 And so my wife was just, just the other day, my wife was talking to the girl who was there in that video, who was next to him. 0.99

01:06:36.000 So Shark comes up, just nails him, takes him underwater, and she's just sitting there like, holy shit, this guy's toast, he's dead, for sure. 0.98

01:06:44.000 And she was thinking she was dead too. 0.98

01:06:46.000 And all of a sudden he pops up right next to her.

01:06:49.000 And the shark's still right there.

01:06:50.000 And she said it was moving like crazy slow, like a big, slow submarine.

01:06:54.000 You know how scary that is?

01:06:56.000 And it's shallow there.

01:06:57.000 It's like four feet deep where they were.

01:07:00.000 This massive tank of a shark is in four feet of water.

01:07:03.000 And just sucked him under. 0.90

01:07:04.000 And it shredded his arm. 0.99

01:07:06.000 It didn't suck him under, dude. 0.99

01:07:07.000 It grabbed him with his freaking jaws and pulled him under. 0.99

01:07:10.000 And did he get his arm fixed? 0.97

01:07:12.000 Yeah, so he is still in the ICU. Or he's still in the hospital.

01:07:17.000 Wow.

01:07:17.000 Still.

01:07:18.000 And so I haven't talked to him personally, but it shredded his arm like horribly bad.

01:07:23.000 I think he might have lost function in some of his fingers.

01:07:26.000 And anyway, this girl who was right next to him, so his board is gone and he was gushing blood like crazy, like hemorrhaging blood.

01:07:34.000 And so she was on top of her board paddling.

01:07:36.000 He swam under her board and held onto her board and she tried to paddle him to the beach.

01:07:42.000 She took off her leash, which is like, you know, your leash to your board and cord and wrapped it super tightly around his arm as a tourniquet. 0.98

01:07:50.000 And fully saved his life.

01:07:53.000 And then when he was on the way in, another guy swam out and did another tourniquet on his arm and saved his life.

01:08:01.000 But I guess he lost tons and tons of blood.

01:08:03.000 The guy's lucky.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:06.000 Extremely lucky.

01:08:06.000 Unlucky and lucky at the same time.

01:08:08.000 Could have been so much worse.

01:08:10.000 Have you ever had an encounter?

01:08:11.000 I have.

01:08:12.000 I've had encounters.

01:08:13.000 I've seen a bunch of sharks and seen some big sharks.

01:08:16.000 What a wild creature, right?

01:08:18.000 Just a clean-up crew of the ocean.

01:08:20.000 They're terrifying.

01:08:22.000 The heavy thing is, like, if you have a run-in with a great white shark, there's a really good chance that they're not gonna eat you, right?

01:08:28.000 They chill a lot of times.

01:08:30.000 But if they're hungry, if they haven't eaten in a, I don't know, how often do great whites eat, Jamie? 0.93

01:08:37.000 Let's guess.

01:08:39.000 I say they have to eat once a week.

01:08:41.000 Yeah, I'd say four days, maybe?

01:08:44.000 Let's see.

01:08:46.000 Dun-dun-dun.

01:08:49.000 Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

01:08:52.000 It pops up.

01:08:52.000 It says the amount of energy required by great white sharks was equivalent to eating a seal pup every three days.

01:09:01.000 Oh.

01:09:01.000 Yeah, so if you run into a white shark and it sees you, it's not going to eat unless it's really hungry, but if it's starving, you're toast.

01:09:09.000 That's it.

01:09:09.000 Bad luck.

01:09:10.000 Yeah, I mean, they eat shoes sometimes.

01:09:12.000 They eat all kinds of things.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, especially, like, by my house, there's a lot of tiger sharks, and tiger sharks are, like, they bite first, ask questions later.

01:09:19.000 Like, they'll fish out a tiger shark and cut its stomach open. 0.70

01:09:24.000 There's, like, license plates and shoes and shit, like a lot of stuff. 0.98

01:09:28.000 So they're more aggressive. 0.97

01:09:30.000 Yeah, they're more aggressive.

01:09:31.000 They'll just bite anything. 1.00

01:09:32.000 According to this research, they need about 66 pounds of blubber to survive for no more than 15 days.

01:09:39.000 Wow.

01:09:40.000 So I'm trying to do the math in my head for like two weeks.

01:09:42.000 That's a lot.

01:09:42.000 30 pounds a week.

01:09:44.000 So if he's really hungry, he might just eat you.

01:09:47.000 But even if he just bites you, you're probably dead.

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:51.000 Your guy got lucky.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, my friend was incredibly lucky.

01:09:54.000 I mean, unlucky and lucky at the same time.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:58.000 So when you've had encounters, have they swam up to you?

01:10:02.000 Swam under me. 0.97

01:10:03.000 A bunch of times, I was like right before I was going over a wave and I would see them in the wave.

01:10:08.000 Because a lot of times, if they're underwater next to you, most likely you're not going to see them because of the glare, because of the angle.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, so that was the great white that had been in Kona, like where I live. 0.77

01:10:18.000 That's a proper great white shark right there.

01:10:20.000 And they think that's the shark that hit him.

01:10:22.000 Wow.

01:10:23.000 So this one shark is just rare?

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 Well, in Hawaii, great whites, you know, no one really, you know, like a long time ago, people didn't think that white sharks were in Hawaii because the water was too warm.

01:10:33.000 But why do they think that it's this shark that bit him is great white?

01:10:38.000 Why do they think that?

01:10:39.000 Well, because this shark was in that area for about two or three weeks beforehand, and he had a run-in with that shark.

01:10:46.000 He's seen multiple.

01:10:47.000 He's had a lot of run-ins with sharks because he fishes off a kayak.

01:10:50.000 So he's always racing the sharks with his fish to his kayak.

01:10:56.000 And he said the shark that bit him had a super pointy nose.

01:11:00.000 It was massive and had a super pointy nose, which the only other man-eating shark where we live is a tiger shark.

01:11:07.000 And they have a really blunt snout where, like, a great white has a super pointy...

01:11:12.000 It's really difficult to kind of get that confused.

01:11:14.000 They've been finding a lot of them off the coast of California, apparently.

01:11:18.000 Yeah, there's so many.

01:11:19.000 Yeah, more than they ever thought. 0.83

01:11:21.000 But California's cold and Hawaii's warm, so, you know, great white sticks out like dog's balls where I live.

01:11:27.000 Like, why is it there?

01:11:29.000 I don't know.

01:11:30.000 Can we blame people?

01:11:32.000 Can we blame plastic straws or something? 0.99

01:11:35.000 How many fucking masks are making their way into the ocean? 0.99

01:11:38.000 I was thinking about that the other day. 1.00

01:11:39.000 Because if plastic straws are a problem in the ocean, people are throwing those goddamn masks out everywhere. 0.99

01:11:44.000 I see masks everywhere I go. 0.99

01:11:46.000 I see them floating around.

01:11:47.000 It's messed up.

01:11:48.000 Just laying in the gutter, laying in front of garbage cans.

01:11:53.000 They're in the ocean, guaranteed.

01:11:56.000 How many masks have been tossed?

01:11:57.000 Millions and millions.

01:11:58.000 I got a statistic for you.

01:11:59.000 You want to guess?

01:12:00.000 It's a messed up statistic for sure.

01:12:02.000 Let me guess.

01:12:03.000 I'm going to say...

01:12:06.000 Is this a statistic about the ocean in particular?

01:12:08.000 How many disposable masks entered the ocean in 2020?

01:12:12.000 Two billion.

01:12:14.000 Eh, you're a little high.

01:12:15.000 1.6 estimate.

01:12:16.000 Wow.

01:12:17.000 Wow.

01:12:17.000 I thought it was way...

01:12:18.000 I was just getting crazy.

01:12:21.000 I thought you were going to say 5 million.

01:12:23.000 No, I said out of 52 billion produced disposable face masks, 1.6 made it into the ocean. 0.99

01:12:31.000 Holy shit, that's a lot. 0.98

01:12:32.000 The pandemic is producing an epidemic of masks going into the oceans. 1.00

01:12:39.000 That's a lot of fucking masks. 1.00

01:12:41.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

01:12:41.000 It's really messed up. 1.00

01:12:43.000 And I don't even know if they work.

01:12:46.000 I mean, maybe they stop spittle from getting into someone, but...

01:12:50.000 We know it.

01:12:51.000 They don't work, dude.

01:12:52.000 I don't think they do.

01:12:53.000 They don't work.

01:12:54.000 They work.

01:12:55.000 If you can get your fingers in the side of it and air is coming out...

01:12:57.000 You ever seen that doctor that vapes and then he puts the mask on to show you they don't work?

01:13:02.000 I've seen the video.

01:13:03.000 It's wild.

01:13:04.000 Alright, here's a...

01:13:05.000 This is almost crazier.

01:13:07.000 Styrofoam cup takes 50 years to biodegrade.

01:13:09.000 How long do you think a mask takes?

01:13:14.000 150. 450. Oh my god!

01:13:18.000 It's messed up to think that.

01:13:22.000 Masks are like the Democrats' MAGA hat.

01:13:26.000 And we do it to make each other feel better.

01:13:28.000 Yeah, but that makes sense to me.

01:13:31.000 That you wear it because it makes people feel comfortable.

01:13:34.000 And I know it's illogical and I'm fine wearing it if it relaxes people and it makes them feel better.

01:13:39.000 But if people want to actually argue that they do something, it just doesn't make any sense, man.

01:13:46.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:13:47.000 Like, there's a great meme.

01:13:49.000 Oh, memes.

01:13:50.000 Yeah, I'm such a fan of memes.

01:13:52.000 But this is a very funny one about that.

01:13:58.000 Because I just feel like it's one of those things where we accepted it early on and now we're just pretending that it's somehow or another protective.

01:14:10.000 But at the end of the day, it's really just a piece of paper over your mouth and you're breathing perfectly through it.

01:14:17.000 So how does that work?

01:14:21.000 Here, Jamie.

01:14:22.000 I remember some of those scientists saying that the mask really was a reminder to wash your hands, be cleaner, stay six feet apart.

01:14:31.000 It was intended to be a mental reminder that we're in a pandemic.

01:14:36.000 That makes kind of sense.

01:14:37.000 But the washing the hand thing is nonsense.

01:14:39.000 This is my favorite.

01:14:40.000 Tell me more about how a virus can escape from a level four bio lab but can't get past a mask with little duckies on it. 0.58

01:14:47.000 It's Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka.

01:14:51.000 Memes are the best.

01:14:52.000 Memes are the best.

01:14:53.000 It's a new form of comedy.

01:14:55.000 Yeah.

01:14:56.000 It didn't exist before the internet came around.

01:14:57.000 I'm very happy with the memes.

01:15:00.000 I'm a big meme fan. 0.97

01:15:01.000 You know a lot of memes are made by like troll farms and shit like to politically engage in arguments. 0.85

01:15:07.000 That stuff is so fascinating to me. 0.99

01:15:11.000 I'm sure you talk about this a lot on the podcast, but how everything is politicized and there's just a lot of weird shit out there. 0.81

01:15:18.000 And how many of the people that are politicized and how many people that are engaging aren't even real people. 0.98

01:15:25.000 They're employees of some troll farm in Macedonia or something. 1.00

01:15:29.000 With a strategy.

01:15:30.000 There's so many times where I'll look at...

01:15:32.000 I don't post on Twitter very often.

01:15:35.000 Very, very rarely I post, but I'll read things sometimes.

01:15:39.000 And when people are arguing about stuff, sometimes I'll read someone's comment.

01:15:42.000 I'm like, that's just a crazy thing to say.

01:15:45.000 And then you look at their Twitter name.

01:15:47.000 You're like, it has a bunch of numbers at the end of it.

01:15:49.000 You're like, what is this?

01:15:50.000 And then I click on them and they were like one follower and they've been around for like six months.

01:15:55.000 And then I look and it's all politically charged things and arguing with people.

01:16:00.000 I'm like, that's probably not even a real person.

01:16:02.000 It's either a burner account or this is like some person in a troll farm.

01:16:07.000 If I knew for a fact it was someone that's working in a troll farm, I'd be fascinated.

01:16:12.000 I'd be like, look, there's one right there. 0.63

01:16:13.000 That's like a little intruder, a little faker, a little virus, a little human virus. 0.85

01:16:18.000 A lot of these probably are fake.

01:16:21.000 Not fake, but created by not a human person.

01:16:25.000 Wow.

01:16:25.000 That's crazy.

01:16:26.000 AI generates absurdist memes that are funnier than what most real humans create.

01:16:30.000 Wow.

01:16:30.000 The guy runs this website that does, like, you know, harnesses memes and curates them or whatever.

01:16:36.000 I don't know if he created or if he got a hold of it, an AI program that takes 100 million public meme captions and recreates new ones based off of the top 48 templates.

01:16:48.000 Wow.

01:16:49.000 Like, here's some examples of, like, ones that were created.

01:16:54.000 Coronavirus, everyone else, coronavirus, what?

01:16:56.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 I mean, this is just like a popular, these are the templates, and it's just filling in the words.

01:17:01.000 And some of them stick, some of them don't.

01:17:02.000 You know, if it tries a million times a day, it'll win.

01:17:06.000 So it's like the million monkeys?

01:17:09.000 Yeah.

01:17:11.000 It's fascinating that like those troll farms you're talking about, it could be like a political situation, like say it's like some like political candidates thing, you know, we need this troll farm.

01:17:24.000 It could be that or it could be like who knows some huge corporation in America.

01:17:30.000 And then it also could be like Russia or like North Korea or some crazy thing, which is super weird that they're interested in our politics.

01:17:37.000 Yeah, they're interested in our politics and also we're interested in our politics.

01:17:41.000 So I guarantee you that political parties hire people to create memes and to go on and argue about things and to pretend that they're lunatic right-wing people or pretend that they're lunatic left-wing people to upset the people that are on the right or the left with their crazy...

01:17:59.000 Fake posts.

01:18:00.000 And they do it just to rile people up and get people arguing.

01:18:04.000 There's just so many of them.

01:18:05.000 And it just makes sense. 0.78

01:18:08.000 It's like, remember those Nigerian scammers? 1.00

01:18:10.000 You have won a million dollars.

01:18:12.000 All you have to do is contact us and give us your bank account number so that we can deposit the money.

01:18:17.000 Then they clean out your bank account.

01:18:20.000 It's basically the same kind of deal.

01:18:22.000 They found a loophole.

01:18:23.000 They found some weird thing that can allow them to do something.

01:18:28.000 It's just, what's the motivation behind it?

01:18:30.000 That's the question.

01:18:31.000 It's like, why would they do that? 0.98

01:18:32.000 Well, if you're from Russia or from another country that's an enemy of the United States, they're basically just trying to fuck with democracy. 0.94

01:18:41.000 They're trying to lessen our confidence in how things work. 0.96

01:18:46.000 And undermine what's happening.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, undermine everything that we do.

01:18:49.000 And it's doing it.

01:18:50.000 It's working.

01:18:51.000 It's great.

01:18:52.000 They're doing an awesome job.

01:18:53.000 Congratulations.

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:54.000 That strategy is working.

01:18:57.000 We're so vulnerable.

01:18:59.000 We're so vulnerable because we're so politically polarized.

01:19:02.000 Well, and if you, like, you know, in the past, if I didn't agree with what you were saying or what you believed, We would still be friends.

01:19:10.000 These days, if I don't totally agree with everything that you say and everything you post on Instagram, then you're a bad guy.

01:19:17.000 I can't be friends with you anymore.

01:19:18.000 I have friends like that that are like, because we don't have the same beliefs... 1.00

01:19:23.000 Yeah, those people are idiots. 1.00

01:19:24.000 We're not friends anymore. 1.00

01:19:25.000 I don't...

01:19:26.000 That's really messed up.

01:19:27.000 I won't subscribe to that. 1.00

01:19:28.000 Those people can eat shit. 1.00

01:19:30.000 Yeah, I agree. 1.00

01:19:31.000 I have a lot of friends that I don't agree with.

01:19:33.000 That's fine.

01:19:34.000 That's totally cool.

01:19:35.000 I don't have to agree with you.

01:19:35.000 Yeah, everybody's different, man.

01:19:37.000 You just have to be a nice person, be a good person, and be able to articulate your interests.

01:19:42.000 I feel like.

01:19:43.000 Articulate what your opinions are on things, and we can talk.

01:19:46.000 And have a conversation.

01:19:48.000 And at the end, if I don't talk you into what I believe, that's fine, man.

01:19:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:52.000 That's got to be fine.

01:19:54.000 I feel like we have this momentum towards if we don't agree, then something's wrong.

01:20:00.000 Nothing's wrong.

01:20:01.000 Well, everyone's tribal. 0.79

01:20:03.000 We just have different beliefs.

01:20:04.000 This is a weird time where everyone feels like they have to have allegiance to their tribe and they have to be steadfast in their set of belief systems in order to be accepted by the tribe. 1.00

01:20:14.000 It's fucking dumb, man. 1.00

01:20:15.000 It's dumb and it's confusing and I don't see it get any better. 1.00

01:20:18.000 I don't see it getting any better in our lifetime. 0.99

01:20:19.000 I think this is just how people are gonna be from now on.

01:20:22.000 Do you think it's a trend that's just gonna continue getting more...

01:20:24.000 It's gonna get worse.

01:20:25.000 I feel like it's accelerating.

01:20:26.000 Yeah, it's accelerating.

01:20:28.000 Yeah.

01:20:28.000 It's accelerating and it applies to everything.

01:20:31.000 It applies to sexual orientation, gender, politics, the way you feel about the environment, climate change, trans kids and sports.

01:20:41.000 Everything.

01:20:42.000 Everything's politicized and everything's polarized and everybody has these It takes every box.

01:21:09.000 Yeah.

01:21:10.000 On your side.

01:21:11.000 And contradictory things, too.

01:21:13.000 This is where it gets really weird.

01:21:14.000 Like, voter ID is racist.

01:21:17.000 It's racist to require someone to have a voter ID to register to vote.

01:21:21.000 But you have to have an ID because you need to have a vaccination.

01:21:25.000 So in order to use any facilities, you need to be vaccinated.

01:21:30.000 And if you're going to be vaccinated, I need to have an ID. And you have to have a vax card.

01:21:34.000 And that's okay.

01:21:36.000 But that is like, if you want to think of what's racist and not racist, if you look at the statistics, there's a large percentage of African Americans that are not vaccinated.

01:21:45.000 And they don't want it, and they don't trust it.

01:21:47.000 And there's good reason, historically.

01:21:49.000 If you look at, like, the Tuskegee experiment. 1.00

01:21:51.000 The government's done a lot of fucked up shit. 1.00

01:21:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:53.000 The African American community. 1.00

01:21:54.000 Especially the Tuskegee experiment.

01:21:57.000 That one's the worst.

01:21:58.000 When they had these people with syphilis and they didn't treat them.

01:22:02.000 They pretended they were treating them.

01:22:03.000 They wanted to see what happens if syphilis goes untreated.

01:22:07.000 And they did that from 1930-something to 1970-something. 0.99

01:22:11.000 And while they were doing it, in the middle of doing it, the fucking cure for syphilis came out. 0.99

01:22:15.000 So all those people could have been cured easily. 0.99

01:22:17.000 They had penicillin.

01:22:19.000 And they chose not to give it to him.

01:22:21.000 That is so messed up.

01:22:21.000 And they did it willingly.

01:22:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:23.000 And that's the fucking CDC, by the way. 1.00

01:22:26.000 That's the CDC did that. 1.00

01:22:29.000 It's crazy.

01:22:30.000 Crazy.

01:22:31.000 That's hard to believe in this day and age, you know what I mean?

01:22:34.000 Like, looking back at that and go, that was real?

01:22:35.000 Bro, they did it for almost 40 years.

01:22:39.000 And the agenda is different now, right?

01:22:40.000 I feel like it's so...

01:22:42.000 It was funny because I almost texted you the other day to see where that...

01:22:49.000 Ghislaine?

01:22:51.000 Is that her name?

01:22:51.000 Yeah, Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:22:52.000 I was going to ask you if you knew somewhere where I could get...

01:22:57.000 Because I was fascinated with that trial.

01:23:00.000 I really wanted to get updated, unbiased news about what was happening, what was being talked about, what was not able to be talked about, and what was, and what kind of information was going to come out.

01:23:12.000 And I could not find it.

01:23:14.000 And then that Lance Rittenhouse trial, I couldn't not find it.

01:23:18.000 Kyle Rittenhouse.

01:23:19.000 Yeah, Kyle Rittenhouse.

01:23:20.000 I couldn't look at anything without that coming up.

01:23:23.000 It was insane.

01:23:25.000 It was like...

01:23:26.000 That was everywhere.

01:23:28.000 Yeah, the Rittenhouse trial had the best marketing team in history.

01:23:32.000 Seriously.

01:23:33.000 Well, the Rittenhouse trial was public, right?

01:23:36.000 So you could see his testimony.

01:23:38.000 But it was public for a reason.

01:23:39.000 Well, it was not a federal case.

01:23:42.000 See, this is a federal case.

01:23:44.000 And the difference is, in these federal cases, they don't allow cameras into the courtrooms.

01:23:49.000 Gotcha.

01:23:50.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:23:50.000 Make sure that's correct.

01:23:51.000 But it sure felt like the real reason.

01:23:53.000 Is that correct, do you think?

01:23:54.000 I'm pretty sure I would make sure.

01:23:56.000 I think that's correct.

01:23:58.000 I feel like the reason was because we were all supposed to get crazy angry about it and fight about it, you know?

01:24:05.000 Well, yeah.

01:24:08.000 There's a little bit of that.

01:24:09.000 And it's a spectacle.

01:24:10.000 And I think they wanted to put it on parade.

01:24:12.000 And I think they had entirely too much faith in their prosecutors.

01:24:16.000 Their prosecutors who turned out to be, you know, not very good.

01:24:21.000 But the amount of misinformation with that trial was insane.

01:24:23.000 Yeah.

01:24:23.000 Okay, yeah, here it is.

01:24:26.000 Electronic media coverage of criminal proceedings in federal courts has been expressly prohibited under the federal rule of Criminal Procedure 53 since the criminal rules were adopted in 1946. So for all those years, there have been no cameras allowed in federal court.

01:24:42.000 So even if there's no cameras allowed, how much information is allowed to get out with the press in a federal case?

01:24:47.000 Well, that's a good question because they banned that Maxwell trial tracker from Twitter.

01:24:54.000 I saw that.

01:24:55.000 Is there a reason for that?

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:58.000 And Jack Dorsey stepped down the day that the trial started.

01:25:02.000 That's coincidental.

01:25:04.000 He was planning on stepping down for a while.

01:25:06.000 As far as you know.

01:25:06.000 I'm friends with that.

01:25:07.000 I'm joking.

01:25:08.000 I'm starting a conspiracy.

01:25:10.000 He was looking to get out a while ago.

01:25:13.000 He's happy to get out.

01:25:14.000 He wants to do other things.

01:25:15.000 But on the day that that...

01:25:18.000 You know, I'm just saying it's kind of trippy.

01:25:20.000 It's kind of trippy.

01:25:21.000 Maybe they started dropping the hammer after he left because he was probably the last firewall for free speech on Twitter.

01:25:29.000 Because he's a staunch advocate of free speech.

01:25:32.000 He really is.

01:25:33.000 And he's, I mean, it's hard to believe because you're like, oh my God, what are you saying? 1.00

01:25:36.000 You fucking shill. 0.99

01:25:37.000 Twitter is full of censorship. 1.00

01:25:39.000 Yes, it is.

01:25:40.000 But Twitter's not just Jack Dorsey.

01:25:42.000 Jack Dorsey actually advocated for two versions of Twitter.

01:25:46.000 One version of Twitter, his proposal was one version of Twitter would be censored and moderated the way you see it currently.

01:25:52.000 Another would be the Wild West.

01:25:54.000 It would be anything goes, anybody can post, enter at your own risk.

01:25:58.000 I think that would have been a fantastic idea. 0.98

01:26:01.000 You know, as long as people don't dox people or threaten people's lives and that kind of shit. 0.95

01:26:06.000 You can't say anything anymore without getting deplatformed. 0.96

01:26:08.000 It's very hard.

01:26:09.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 It's very hard.

01:26:10.000 It's crazy. 0.97

01:26:10.000 People are getting banned and they're getting videos taken down for fucking nothing. 0.97

01:26:17.000 Yeah, for nothing. 0.93

01:26:18.000 So what is the reason why the trial tracker was taken down?

01:26:22.000 So, as I say this, I'll add a caveat.

01:26:26.000 This is the reason that was explained.

01:26:27.000 It doesn't mean that it's accurate, legit, or good reason, but they said that this account was being used in manipulating practices and spam ways.

01:26:37.000 It was used previously for other purposes on Twitter.

01:26:41.000 And they changed the name to like Maxwell Trial Account when this was happening.

01:26:46.000 So it was used in the past for like stock tips or something like that.

01:26:49.000 And they have other accounts there.

01:26:51.000 This person or whoever was controlling it was also linking back off of Twitter's website to a sub stack, which according to Twitter's rules is like they don't want that to happen.

01:27:00.000 They want to keep people on Twitter.

01:27:02.000 So they use those, you know, those things that's happening as a way to get it off.

01:27:06.000 Haven't people always done that?

01:27:07.000 Because I know Alex Berenson.

01:27:08.000 Correct.

01:27:09.000 I don't think that that's a valid reason, but that's the reason I believe that they said.

01:27:13.000 So I've just looked now for an update.

01:27:16.000 Whoever was running it claims on their sub stack they weren't doing that, and they have tried to get an appeal, and I don't think they've gotten a response.

01:27:22.000 They could easily just be saying that someone used it for other reasons.

01:27:27.000 And here's the other thing, maybe you did use it for other reasons because that's why you set the Twitter account up, but then you had it, and then you decided, well, this is a valid reason to use my account, so I'm just going to repurpose my account that way.

01:27:39.000 Why is that wrong?

01:27:41.000 Again, I don't know, but that's just what they said.

01:27:44.000 And what I'm looking up now is someone that runs another blog that was looking into this has reached out for a comment.

01:27:49.000 They haven't gotten a comment back.

01:27:51.000 Regardless, though, that Maxwell trial is fascinating.

01:27:55.000 It is fascinating.

01:27:56.000 Hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, are interested in the outcome and what's happening, the details of that trial.

01:28:02.000 And if someone could release data from that trial that was accurate... 0.98

01:28:06.000 Who gives a shit if they're repersonating? 0.97

01:28:08.000 I'll add into that, though. 0.98

01:28:09.000 Someone I follow on Twitter got into, like, you can go there.

01:28:13.000 You can go to it.

01:28:13.000 It just can't be, you can't live tweet it, but you could go watch it if you want to go to New York and sit in there.

01:28:19.000 It's open, I believe.

01:28:20.000 Oh.

01:28:20.000 So, I mean, it's just like the Supreme Court.

01:28:22.000 You can go sit in the Supreme Court and watch.

01:28:23.000 You just can't live tweet it.

01:28:24.000 But in order to find out details about the trial, you have to follow some obscure writer on Substack.

01:28:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:28:30.000 Instead of just being able to check it out online real quick and get all the details right away, like you could with that Rittenhouse trial or something like that.

01:28:36.000 Dude, the whole thing is so wild.

01:28:39.000 I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

01:28:40.000 Alex Jones told me about this more than a decade ago.

01:28:43.000 More than a decade ago, and I thought he was crazy.

01:28:45.000 I'm pretty sure he told me about this before Epstein was even arrested the first time.

01:28:51.000 What'd he tell you about?

01:28:52.000 Like actual...

01:28:53.000 I didn't remember at the time that he told me until after he got arrested, and then I was reading that there was a campaign...

01:29:02.000 Wait, he told you about Epstein years before it happened?

01:29:05.000 Yes.

01:29:06.000 And the whole...

01:29:06.000 Before he got arrested.

01:29:07.000 The whole scene?

01:29:08.000 Yes.

01:29:09.000 It was well known that they would take...

01:29:12.000 He might not have even said Epstein by name, but he basically said that...

01:29:18.000 I forget who he was saying was doing it, but this is what he said.

01:29:23.000 What they do is they compromise these very powerful and wealthy politicians by they make friends with them, they get him in tight, and then they're friends with all these other famous people, right?

01:29:37.000 So they bring them to this party.

01:29:38.000 So if you're a guy like Epstein, like one of the things you notice about Epstein If you pay attention to like all the contacts that he had there was a lot of famous people a Lot of famous people flew with him and they would fly to do these charitable events and they would fly to like Bill Gates flew with them Bill Clinton flew with them all these people so if you were a celebrity and you got a chance to go hang out with some famous scientists and And some famous politicians.

01:30:09.000 And it's a dinner.

01:30:10.000 It's a dinner party.

01:30:11.000 You're invited.

01:30:12.000 And you're like, oh my god, this is amazing.

01:30:13.000 You go to this dinner party and he says, I would like to invite you to my island.

01:30:16.000 I have an island.

01:30:17.000 Was it in the Caribbean?

01:30:19.000 Is that where it was?

01:30:19.000 I have an island in the Caribbean and you can come down and we have this amazing place you can stay.

01:30:25.000 We'll fly you out.

01:30:26.000 And you talk to these guys who your friends are like, oh my god, you got to go.

01:30:30.000 It's the best time.

01:30:31.000 The food's amazing.

01:30:32.000 All these beautiful women are there. 1.00

01:30:34.000 You're like, wow, sounds great. 0.99

01:30:35.000 And if you're this fucking nerdy scientist guy or some celebrity that thinks, whoa, this is going to be awesome. 0.96

01:30:41.000 So he gets these people to do this, fly them to this island, make them feel like there's no rules. 0.98

01:30:46.000 Everything's fine here.

01:30:47.000 It's wild.

01:30:48.000 And meanwhile, they're filming these people.

01:30:49.000 And so they compromise them.

01:30:51.000 And they bring these girls that are maybe underage or close to it or they maybe look like they're not underage but they are. 0.95

01:30:57.000 And they would film them having sex with these people.

01:31:01.000 And so they always have this data and always have dirt on them.

01:31:05.000 And the thing that always freaked me out was the painting. 0.98

01:31:08.000 Epstein had a fucking painting of Bill Clinton in the foyer of his house. 0.99

01:31:13.000 It's Bill Clinton in a dress. 0.99

01:31:15.000 Bill Clinton with a blue dress on, pointing...

01:31:18.000 Have you seen it?

01:31:18.000 No!

01:31:19.000 Oh my god, you have to see this.

01:31:20.000 Jamie. 1.00

01:31:20.000 It's the wildest shit ever. 1.00

01:31:21.000 We want to get a copy of this? 0.99

01:31:23.000 I don't think the...

01:31:24.000 We might have to do it illegally.

01:31:26.000 I don't think the...

01:31:27.000 Was that like the artist does not want anybody making copies of that or something like that?

01:31:30.000 You should buy the NFT. I don't know about that.

01:31:33.000 Is it?

01:31:33.000 When's the NFT going to drop?

01:31:36.000 But look at this painting because it's so fucking ridiculous. 0.99

01:31:38.000 And this was, remember, this is in the foyer of his house. 0.99

01:31:43.000 Painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress hung in Jeffrey Epstein's home.

01:31:47.000 So when you went over Jeffrey Epstein's house in Manhattan.

01:31:53.000 Wow.

01:31:54.000 Did you ever see that one was in there too?

01:31:55.000 He had that one in there too? 0.99

01:31:57.000 That's to make it look like George W. is a dumbass, but at least he didn't have him. 0.97

01:32:03.000 There's two planes knocking over the bricks. 0.99

01:32:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:32:07.000 Oh, like the towers?

01:32:08.000 Yeah.

01:32:08.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:32:10.000 Wink, wink.

01:32:10.000 That's crazy.

01:32:12.000 But the Clinton one, he's basically saying, you're my bitch. 1.00

01:32:17.000 I got you, bro. 0.99

01:32:19.000 Because Clinton, according to these transcripts, the flight logs, flew with him 26 times.

01:32:26.000 Yeah.

01:32:27.000 And I'm like, dude, I haven't flown my mom 26 times in my whole life.

01:32:31.000 And I love my mom.

01:32:33.000 Well, and you could fly once, right?

01:32:34.000 Not know about the island and really like the details.

01:32:36.000 You could just be going for the, like the ribeyes and the, and like, you know, like bronzing by the pool.

01:32:41.000 You could, it could be not, you know, nothing like evil and creepy about it at all.

01:32:45.000 But 26 times, it's really difficult to keep those secrets for a long, long time.

01:32:49.000 What is that one in the trial?

01:32:51.000 It says Bill Clinton painting in Jeffrey Lower Middle Fox News bottom.

01:32:55.000 Yeah.

01:32:56.000 What is that?

01:32:57.000 This is when he was still on trial.

01:32:58.000 It says, Holmes, it's a surprise to woman who painted President wearing blue dress.

01:33:04.000 He bought it from an artist.

01:33:05.000 I remember reading about this.

01:33:06.000 That was a New York art student.

01:33:08.000 And someone else had already paid for it.

01:33:10.000 And Epstein came in as a donor to the school.

01:33:13.000 And they're like, no, you're going to sell this to him.

01:33:15.000 She didn't have a choice. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Oh, and he put it up in his house to say, you're my bitch. 1.00

01:33:21.000 Wow, that's fascinating. 1.00

01:33:22.000 Imagine if I go over to your house.

01:33:24.000 We're friends.

01:33:25.000 I go over to your house like, Shane, you got a beautiful... 0.99

01:33:27.000 Hey man, why the fuck do you have a painting of me in a dress? 0.99

01:33:30.000 Don't give me any ideas, bro. 0.99

01:33:32.000 I know, some good artists.

01:33:35.000 I would think it's funny. 0.99

01:33:36.000 But, I mean, if you had been inviting me to your island to fuck underage girls, and then I saw a painting in your house of me in a dress, I would be a little upset. 1.00

01:33:46.000 I'd be like, hey, what the fuck, bro? 1.00

01:33:48.000 That type of mindset's a little above my... 1.00

01:33:50.000 I'm just way too...

01:33:51.000 I don't know what that...

01:33:53.000 He was an evil freak, huh, dude?

01:33:55.000 What is this, James? 0.69

01:33:56.000 This is about the art in his house.

01:33:58.000 He had a picture of himself behind barbed wire and between a guard station and a corrections officer.

01:34:04.000 It was described as one of the few people to ever see it, a specialist in public relations.

01:34:09.000 Yeah, but that's according to Business Insider.

01:34:12.000 You know, Business Insider is a bit New York Post-y in that...

01:34:18.000 New York Post is not saying that they're not accurate, because they are, but they're sensational.

01:34:22.000 And when someone says, according to Business Insider, like, somebody could have said that this is what they saw and it wasn't totally accurate.

01:34:32.000 Like, if you don't have a photo of it...

01:34:34.000 That's what I was trying to look at.

01:34:34.000 I thought there was going to be more photos in this, but they're...

01:34:37.000 I'm sure he had some creepy art. 0.99

01:34:38.000 The crazy thing is he had that fucking building that a guy gave him. 0.98

01:34:42.000 A guy gave him this, like, $70 million house in Manhattan. 0.99

01:34:47.000 This gorgeous house.

01:34:49.000 Like, all these people gave him giant sums of money.

01:34:52.000 Like, there's a bunch of CEOs that had to retire, because it turns out they were giving him, like, $150 million.

01:34:58.000 It's like, why did you give him that much money? 0.99

01:35:00.000 Because he had you by the balls. 0.99

01:35:02.000 Yeah, he had to, right? 0.99

01:35:03.000 Yeah, they had to.

01:35:04.000 He probably said, listen...

01:35:06.000 You're worth $18 billion. 1.00

01:35:08.000 What do you give a fuck if you give me $150 million? 1.00

01:35:09.000 Let me show you this little video that I have on my phone. 1.00

01:35:11.000 If you want your problems.

01:35:13.000 A 14-year-old girl.

01:35:15.000 Heavy.

01:35:16.000 Heavy. 1.00

01:35:17.000 Well, this is shit that Alex Jones was telling me about a decade ago. 0.99

01:35:20.000 And this is shit that we're talking about, but I feel like this needs to be covered. 0.99

01:35:29.000 It's too fascinating with what's happening right now to have people not be able to learn about it. 0.99

01:35:35.000 They're keeping this trial as low-key as possible for a giant trafficking trial.

01:35:42.000 It's a sex trafficking trial.

01:35:44.000 And they're keeping it as low-profile as is humanly possible.

01:35:48.000 Well, and Maxwell's the fall guy.

01:35:50.000 She's the fall guy for everybody, by the looks of it.

01:35:53.000 And if she's not, it would be way better to be way more transparent.

01:35:57.000 It seems like she was heavily involved.

01:35:59.000 It seems like she was recruiting girls.

01:36:01.000 I don't think it was as simple as she's a fall guy.

01:36:03.000 No, I'm not saying that.

01:36:05.000 For sure she is, but I think there's way more people involved that are not being brought into it.

01:36:10.000 Right.

01:36:11.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:36:12.000 Well, also the question is, who is she?

01:36:15.000 What is she?

01:36:16.000 Is she intelligence?

01:36:17.000 Is she from a foreign country?

01:36:19.000 Is she Mossad?

01:36:21.000 That was the thing about Epstein.

01:36:23.000 Is he in the Mossad?

01:36:24.000 What is this?

01:36:26.000 Are they compromising people for a specific purpose?

01:36:29.000 What's their overall plan?

01:36:31.000 Right.

01:36:32.000 Was it all strategic in some way?

01:36:35.000 The people that think that he didn't get murdered are the confusing ones to me.

01:36:40.000 I had Steven Pinker in here, and he was trying to tell me that he thought that Epstein killed himself.

01:36:45.000 I go, what?

01:36:46.000 And Pinker had been photographed with him.

01:36:49.000 Wait, he thought he had killed himself?

01:36:52.000 He thought he killed himself.

01:36:53.000 And I'm like, no, someone killed that guy.

01:36:55.000 And he's like, oh, I think he killed himself.

01:36:57.000 Didn't he hang himself off a four-foot wall?

01:37:00.000 Whatever he did, the injuries to his neck were not consistent with someone who has been hung.

01:37:06.000 They were consistent with someone who is strangled because there was fractures in the neck bones that are consistent with strangulation. 0.97

01:37:16.000 Somebody who wraps a fucking rope around your neck and chokes you to death versus someone who's like hanging. 0.93

01:37:22.000 Because when you're hanging, All the weight, apparently, according to this guy, Dr. Michael Badden, who's that famous autopsy guy who was on that autopsy show on HBO, he broke it down. 0.99

01:37:33.000 Let's see if we can find where he breaks it down.

01:37:34.000 But there's a fracture in one of the neck bones in Jeffrey Epstein that is inconsistent with hanging, but very consistent with strangulation. 0.88

01:37:44.000 So it's very common in people that have been, like, ligatures, where they fucking wrap a wire around your neck or a rope and just choke you to death. 0.83

01:37:51.000 And also... 0.95

01:37:53.000 The ligature marks were down on the lower part of the neck, which is what happens when someone chokes you.

01:37:59.000 Whereas if it was up here, that's what happens when you're hanging.

01:38:02.000 Because when you're hanging, it gets stuck by your jaw and it gets tight there and that's what gets you.

01:38:09.000 Well, and Epstein was in a category where it was a real risk that he would commit suicide, right?

01:38:15.000 Just because of the situation.

01:38:17.000 And a lot of times with people like him, I think that they have him in like a maximum security, like by themselves in a room that makes it really difficult to kill yourself, right?

01:38:26.000 Everything is wrong.

01:38:27.000 Everything is wrong.

01:38:28.000 And there's a camera that wasn't on.

01:38:30.000 Yeah.

01:38:30.000 You see, Michael Baden, Epstein evidence points to homicide.

01:38:33.000 Play it so we can hear what he says.

01:38:37.000 The brother's been asking that from day one.

01:38:40.000 I like how that's music.

01:38:42.000 Is that that music or is it music from something else?

01:38:46.000 Can you go to the beginning?

01:38:48.000 Because in the beginning, I think, is where he explains that the Epstein family needed help.

01:38:55.000 Well, I was asked by the brother, the next of kin, to be at the autopsy.

01:39:00.000 And at the autopsy, on day one, there were findings that were unusual for suicidal hanging and more consistent with ligature homicidal...

01:39:11.000 This is what I wanted.

01:39:12.000 ...which included...

01:39:14.000 And it was suggested at the time that he committed suicide by doing what?

01:39:19.000 At the time he was found allegedly hanging by a homemade ligature of sheets.

01:39:26.000 Are you saying you don't think it was suicide?

01:39:28.000 I think that the evidence points toward homicide rather than suicide.

01:39:32.000 Why?

01:39:33.000 Because there are multiple three fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage that are very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation, homicidal strangulation.

01:39:47.000 Let's take a look at what the medical examiner stated.

01:39:50.000 That's all it was.

01:39:51.000 That's crazy.

01:39:51.000 Yeah.

01:39:52.000 So when I had Pinker on, Pinker was one of those guys that got sucked into that.

01:39:58.000 So he was photographed with Epstein and he was very sorry that he got mixed up with that, but like a lot of scientists, The guy donated money to science and he enjoyed scientists and they thought probably was a cool thing to do,

01:40:14.000 to go hang out and party.

01:40:16.000 But he was like, oh, I think he killed himself. 0.99

01:40:19.000 I'm like, I don't fucking think he killed himself. 0.97

01:40:20.000 And that was one of the things that I was pointing to, was Baden pointing out that it was more consistent with strangulation than it was hanging. 0.97

01:40:30.000 If you look at all the factors that had to happen for there to be a question mark on his death...

01:40:36.000 There's no way you can be like someone who's thinking clearly and think that he killed himself.

01:40:42.000 He's one of the most important witnesses ever.

01:40:45.000 The most important defendant ever in a case that involves dozens of extremely powerful and extremely wealthy people that may have participated in sex crimes.

01:41:01.000 And there's no guards, and the cameras don't work, and he's hung, but the hanging doesn't match the evidence, which points to strangulation rather than hanging. 0.98

01:41:15.000 It's so fucking fishy. 0.96

01:41:17.000 Since when do prison guards... 0.99

01:41:19.000 In a situation like that, just happen to just be like both taking a nap.

01:41:22.000 Hey, let's both sleep right now.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 Let's do this.

01:41:25.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

01:41:25.000 Those prison guards are either suicided by now or they're driving Lambos and living in like Beverly Hills and like monstrous mansions. 1.00

01:41:34.000 Yeah, I wonder what they do with those people.

01:41:35.000 Oh, they're toast.

01:41:36.000 But if you did want to kill the guards because the guards knew too much, how would you get away with that? 0.67

01:41:43.000 Well, and I feel like it's like a murder pyramid scheme. 0.93

01:41:47.000 The more people you kill, the more people you have to kill. 0.98

01:41:51.000 Right? 1.00

01:41:51.000 Because those people tell people, yeah, it's fucked. 1.00

01:41:55.000 That's why. 1.00

01:41:56.000 Epstein guards to skirt jail time and deal with prosecutors.

01:41:59.000 Oh, how convenient.

01:42:02.000 They're fine.

01:42:03.000 Don't ask any questions.

01:42:05.000 It's all misinformation.

01:42:07.000 They admitted to falsifying records, but will not go to jail for that.

01:42:10.000 Oh, they falsified records?

01:42:12.000 What did they say?

01:42:13.000 That was not correct.

01:42:16.000 Willfully and knowingly lied on form stating that they made required rounds checking on inmates the night of Epstein's suicide.

01:42:22.000 Wow.

01:42:22.000 The guards were sleeping and surfing the web when they should have been monitoring the maximum security federal prisoner.

01:42:30.000 Hmm.

01:42:31.000 Maybe.

01:42:32.000 Maybe they were. 1.00

01:42:33.000 Either way, someone got in that fucking cell and likely strangled the shit out of them. 0.99

01:42:38.000 That's like one of the most interesting trials and situations of our lifetime. 0.99

01:42:44.000 And probably one of the most important.

01:42:47.000 And it's just crazy that nobody's...

01:42:49.000 I don't know.

01:42:50.000 It's just weird to me that we can't figure out the details.

01:42:53.000 They're not trying.

01:42:54.000 They're not trying.

01:42:55.000 They're actively trying to not let us find out anything about it.

01:42:59.000 It's so transparent now how the news has been manipulated, as opposed to, you know, when we were younger, we used to think, oh, this is the news.

01:43:07.000 But now, because of the internet, because of the amount of access that we have to all these different sources of information where, you know, you can read these stories about that, you can see Michael Badden talking about this, and there's so much available on the internet, you can get a much better sense of how much you're getting lied to.

01:43:24.000 Yeah.

01:43:24.000 And it's not good.

01:43:25.000 It's a lot. 0.97

01:43:28.000 If you actually want the real news, it actually kind of takes a lot of effort because there's so much bullshit out there to cut through. 0.74

01:43:36.000 And if you're getting your information very easily, it's probably all wrong.

01:43:41.000 Do you feel connected completely to America while you're living in Hawaii?

01:43:45.000 Because let's be honest, Hawaii is amazing, I love it, but it's really not America. 0.94

01:43:53.000 It's awesome, but it's five hours by plane in the middle of the ocean.

01:44:00.000 Should it be protected by America?

01:44:01.000 100%.

01:44:01.000 Should it be protected by the Constitution?

01:44:03.000 100%.

01:44:04.000 But let's be honest.

01:44:05.000 It's an island, and it's its own thing.

01:44:09.000 That's an interesting question, and I agree.

01:44:12.000 It's different for me because I was born in Hawaii.

01:44:18.000 So I just, I don't know.

01:44:20.000 I just know it as home and, you know, there's a lot of people in Hawaii who don't feel like it's part of America and kind of wish it wasn't, obviously.

01:44:28.000 It's nice to have the protection of America.

01:44:31.000 There's like quite a separatist movement right there, right?

01:44:34.000 Yeah.

01:44:34.000 But I feel like Hawaii is almost like its own country.

01:44:38.000 I think so.

01:44:39.000 Similar to Texas, even though you don't, there's no ocean separating Texas and I feel like Texas is its own country.

01:44:44.000 Yeah.

01:44:45.000 Well, at one point in time, it was.

01:44:47.000 It has its complete own culture, you know, and its own, like, you know, everything about it is, I don't know.

01:44:54.000 I feel like once you get to Texas, everything's totally different.

01:44:57.000 The people, the culture.

01:44:59.000 And Hawaii is much like that.

01:45:02.000 Yes.

01:45:02.000 Yeah, it really is.

01:45:06.000 I mean, these days, it's harder to get into a restaurant in Honolulu than it is...

01:45:12.000 I flew back from Mexico, back to the States recently, and it was easier for me to get back into the country from Mexico than it was to go to dinner with my wife in Honolulu.

01:45:22.000 Really?

01:45:23.000 Yeah.

01:45:23.000 Got to show your vaccine passport and all that stuff to get into restaurants in Honolulu.

01:45:27.000 I wonder how long that's going to last.

01:45:29.000 That's the question.

01:45:31.000 It's like if the pandemic slowly dissipates and COVID is not a thing anymore, how much freedom can we really gain back and how much will they try to continue to find new ways?

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:06.000 Isn't that funny how they tell us that there is, though?

01:46:08.000 This is like a temporary situation.

01:46:11.000 It's going to be two weeks to flatten the curve.

01:46:13.000 We've been told all of it.

01:46:16.000 And it's crazy because, I mean, there's a famous saying that's, how does it go?

01:46:21.000 There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.

01:46:26.000 Yeah.

01:46:28.000 It's kind of true.

01:46:29.000 It feels like that.

01:46:30.000 In this point in time, in America, it feels like that.

01:46:34.000 It feels like all these temporary things, these things that are just for the next two weeks, or the next month, or until this happens, or that happens.

01:46:41.000 I just, I don't know.

01:46:43.000 Do you remember when there was no breakthrough cases?

01:46:46.000 They were saying it's extremely rare, extremely rare for someone to catch COVID after they've been vaccinated.

01:46:52.000 This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. 0.99

01:46:54.000 Yes, it is.

01:46:55.000 And now it's completely flipped on its head.

01:46:57.000 I know someone who's been boosted and they just got COVID. Boosted?

01:47:01.000 Have you been boosted?

01:47:02.000 Double vaccinated and boosted and boosted just a few months ago, caught COVID. Sick as shit. 1.00

01:47:07.000 You know, it's like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:47:10.000 Like, and then the narrative changed for, it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, but it does make it much less like if you'd be hospitalized or die. 0.99

01:47:19.000 Like, oh, okay.

01:47:20.000 And then that became the narrative.

01:47:21.000 Like, that's not what the narrative was.

01:47:23.000 The narrative was, get vaccinated, you don't get COVID. And then it changed.

01:47:28.000 I'm wondering what it would take to go back to normal.

01:47:32.000 Like imagine, if something came along, like a pill or something, it's all gone.

01:47:38.000 There's no more COVID. Or it's a non-issue.

01:47:42.000 Would they let everything go back to the way it was?

01:47:46.000 I don't think so.

01:47:46.000 I definitely don't think they will in Australia.

01:47:49.000 I think Australia's fucked forever. 1.00

01:47:51.000 I think they're fucked forever. 1.00

01:47:52.000 The way they're treating their people and the way they're responding, the way, you know, all the madness of the lockdowns and what they're apparently doing to indigenous people where they're taking these folks and when they find out people have had contact or when they think that they have COVID, 0.99

01:48:12.000 They're shipping them off to camps hundreds of kilometers away.

01:48:15.000 They're building those large COVID camps and arresting people, taking them away from their families, putting them in the camps. 0.56

01:48:21.000 It's messed up.

01:48:22.000 The people are under total control there.

01:48:25.000 I have a lot of good friends.

01:48:26.000 As you can imagine, I go to Australia a lot and I love the country and I have so many good friends there.

01:48:30.000 They're just baffled.

01:48:32.000 It's baffling because it's unrecognizable.

01:48:35.000 The country and the government is unrecognizable to what it was two years ago.

01:48:38.000 I have quite a few friends that live in Australia that are moving.

01:48:41.000 One of my buddies has moved to New Zealand. 0.96

01:48:43.000 He's like, I got to get the fuck out of here. 0.98

01:48:45.000 And that's like the easiest way for me to get out is go to New Zealand. 0.99

01:48:48.000 Yeah.

01:48:49.000 I have a lot of friends who moved to America from Australia because they're just too heavy what's happening in Australia.

01:48:53.000 And if you fly there as a resident, you fly back there, you're not leaving for a very long time.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, you have a two week quarantine, right?

01:49:00.000 And you can't get out of there. 0.99

01:49:04.000 And then there's this Omicron shit. 0.99

01:49:07.000 They're saying, oh, you need a booster, you need a booster. 0.99

01:49:09.000 You know what they found out about Omicron?

01:49:10.000 There's been virtually no deaths.

01:49:13.000 They might have attributed one death to Omicron.

01:49:15.000 All the people that got it, all the hysteria.

01:49:19.000 The cases are all mild.

01:49:21.000 They're all mild.

01:49:22.000 One person they attributed who died from it, and I want to know what was wrong with that person.

01:49:27.000 I want to know when they say one death attributed to it.

01:49:30.000 Say what they looked like.

01:49:32.000 Tell me how much they weighed.

01:49:33.000 How old were they?

01:49:34.000 What other comorbidities did they have? 0.99

01:49:38.000 This seems like fuckery. 0.97

01:49:40.000 You're telling people to get another shot for something that doesn't even... 0.99

01:49:44.000 It's not worse than a cold?

01:49:46.000 When you watch the news, Omicron is like the evil, just crazy...

01:49:49.000 It's terrifying, right? 0.98

01:49:51.000 If you watch the news and sit there, it's just, oh my god, we're screwed.

01:49:54.000 It's an Omicron thing.

01:49:54.000 It's taking over the world.

01:49:56.000 There's hundreds of millions of cases and all this stuff.

01:49:58.000 And you're never once told that...

01:50:03.000 It's way less deadly.

01:50:04.000 All you're told is it's way more...

01:50:07.000 Contagious.

01:50:08.000 Contagious.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 It's crazy.

01:50:10.000 And we talked about this earlier this morning.

01:50:12.000 We're hanging.

01:50:13.000 But think of all the...

01:50:15.000 Like in my friend group, I know so many people that have been vaccinated.

01:50:20.000 And I'm friends with a lot of people that know that the best thing you can do...

01:50:27.000 To not die if you get COVID is to not be fat, not have diabetes.

01:50:32.000 There's certain things you control with lifestyle choices that can make you a whole lot healthier and a lot stronger against COVID. And I know a lot of people who are overweight, they haven't lost a single pound.

01:50:41.000 All they did is get vaccinated thinking they're completely healthy and healthy.

01:50:45.000 Well, not only that, if people pay attention to it, pull up that thing that shows what's wrong with obese people when it comes to COVID and antibodies.

01:50:56.000 There's actually a condition that happens with obese people and COVID where their body does not process or produce antibodies correctly.

01:51:06.000 I forget exactly what the term of it is.

01:51:09.000 We'll pull it up real quick and we'll find out.

01:51:10.000 I watch the news all the time and they never say, hey, by the way, It's extremely important that you lose weight.

01:51:17.000 America, let's get healthier. 1.00

01:51:18.000 What are you doing to...

01:51:20.000 Let's all make better lifestyle choices.

01:51:22.000 Let's get healthier.

01:51:23.000 That's not what the news's job is. 0.95

01:51:25.000 The news's job is to scare the fuck out of you so you keep tuning in. 0.62

01:51:28.000 The news's job is not to give you good advice so that you have a better, more prosperous and healthy life. 0.96

01:51:34.000 Do you find the thing on the...

01:51:35.000 Well, it also doesn't help that the news is subsidized and financed by the companies that are making these things.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:51:43.000 Obesity increases likelihood of peak COVID-19 antibody levels after...

01:51:47.000 What?

01:51:47.000 What is this?

01:51:48.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:51:49.000 When is this?

01:51:50.000 Oh, this is May of 2021. So that's saying they have more antibodies?

01:51:57.000 Right, that's what I was trying...

01:51:58.000 That's not true.

01:51:59.000 The newest stuff that they found...

01:52:02.000 Obesity, COVID, antibodies...

01:52:10.000 What is that one right there?

01:52:10.000 The majority of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies.

01:52:13.000 Click on that.

01:52:14.000 Is that it?

01:52:16.000 Scroll up.

01:52:17.000 There's a lot of information in there.

01:52:19.000 Yeah, I think this is it.

01:52:20.000 The majority of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies in COVID-19 patients with obesity are autoimmune and not neutralizing.

01:52:29.000 This is it.

01:52:30.000 So what it says is obesity decreases the secretion of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies in the blood of patients.

01:52:40.000 How obesity impacts the quality of the antibody secreted, however, is not understood.

01:52:45.000 Therefore, the objective of the study is to evaluate the presence of neutralizing versus autoimmune antibodies in COVID-19 patients with obesity.

01:52:53.000 So essentially what they're saying is one of the papers that I was reading about this was that...

01:52:58.000 People that are obese, their body just does not produce what's necessary to fight it off.

01:53:04.000 That's why all these folks that are hospitalized, at one point in time it was like 78% of the people in the ICU were obese.

01:53:12.000 I thought this is what you were going to go after.

01:53:14.000 This is another one.

01:53:14.000 This is a new one.

01:53:16.000 The coronavirus attacks fat tissue, scientists find.

01:53:20.000 So this is another compounding issue.

01:53:22.000 So the research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at a higher risk of severe illness and death from COVID. So the coronavirus loves fatties.

01:53:32.000 That's what it's saying.

01:53:34.000 It's just two different things, but both of them compounding to say that it's just terrible to be overweight and to have COVID. And yet, no one's telling you that.

01:53:44.000 I feel like that information is extremely important, especially in America where we have such an obesity problem.

01:53:51.000 Half of our country in a lot of states is obese.

01:53:55.000 No one wants a fat shame.

01:53:57.000 They're scared. 0.98

01:53:58.000 Yeah, that's fucked up, though, because I feel like it's so important. 0.97

01:54:02.000 I mean, it's crazy that you can tell all these people that all you need is a vaccination and you're good to go. 0.98

01:54:09.000 But these people are, you know... 1.00

01:54:11.000 Most people eat like shit. 1.00

01:54:14.000 That's what the problem is. 1.00

01:54:15.000 It's too easy to eat like shit. 1.00

01:54:17.000 Like today, we were driving, remember we passed by McDonald's, like, man, it draws you in, you feel like it, maybe we should just go to McDonald's. 1.00

01:54:25.000 Slip in there and get a nice filet of fish and order a fries and a large Coke.

01:54:29.000 Ah, it'll be delicious.

01:54:30.000 Imagine when that fish was caught.

01:54:32.000 Years ago.

01:54:32.000 If it's even a fish.

01:54:34.000 It could be anything.

01:54:35.000 It could be a rat.

01:54:37.000 But the problem is that's where most people eat.

01:54:43.000 What's the percentage?

01:54:44.000 Okay, let's Google this.

01:54:46.000 What percentage of people's meals are from fast food?

01:54:50.000 The average American.

01:54:52.000 What percentage of their meals are fast food?

01:54:54.000 I'm going to say 40. When's the last time you ate a McDonald's?

01:54:59.000 About a year ago, I think.

01:55:02.000 What'd you have?

01:55:03.000 Filet-O-Fish.

01:55:04.000 I love those.

01:55:05.000 They're delicious.

01:55:08.000 I think it was a podcast I did with Tim Dillon and Alex Jones.

01:55:12.000 Yeah, the election one.

01:55:13.000 Yeah, during the election.

01:55:14.000 That was a year ago.

01:55:15.000 Yeah, we ate a bunch of Filet-O-Fishes.

01:55:17.000 Oh, wow.

01:55:17.000 They were delicious.

01:55:18.000 Oh, that was Kyle Kalinske.

01:55:19.000 That was my go-to when I was a kid.

01:55:21.000 Filet-O-Fish whenever I would go to McDonald's, which wasn't super often, but...

01:55:25.000 Yeah, Filet-O-Fish is delicious. 0.97

01:55:27.000 It's straight garbage. 0.99

01:55:28.000 It's gnarly. 1.00

01:55:30.000 So gnarly.

01:55:31.000 But let's take a guess.

01:55:32.000 What percentage of Americans, like the average American, what percentage of their meals comes from fast food?

01:55:41.000 20%.

01:55:41.000 I say 40%.

01:55:43.000 Jamie, what do you say?

01:55:45.000 Well, I'm already looking at it.

01:55:46.000 But just take a guess.

01:55:47.000 I can't.

01:55:48.000 Okay, you're cheating.

01:55:49.000 I'm staring at the information.

01:55:51.000 If you weren't going to cheat, what would you say?

01:55:53.000 I don't know.

01:55:54.000 Okay, tell me what it is.

01:55:56.000 Jamie's like, what?

01:55:57.000 I'm like, what do you want me to just make up a lie?

01:55:58.000 He's honest.

01:56:00.000 It's a test.

01:56:01.000 You're an honest manager.

01:56:02.000 I guess 37%.

01:56:02.000 Guess what?

01:56:03.000 It turns out 37% of Americans eat fast food every day.

01:56:06.000 Wow, yeah.

01:56:06.000 You were close, Joe.

01:56:07.000 That's pretty good.

01:56:08.000 That's way higher than I thought.

01:56:09.000 It's so crazy.

01:56:10.000 It's straight poison people are putting in their bodies.

01:56:12.000 That's a lot.

01:56:13.000 That's so messed up.

01:56:14.000 That's a lot.

01:56:14.000 I won't let my kids eat McDonald's.

01:56:15.000 It's a lot of meals, man.

01:56:16.000 It's a lot of meals. 1.00

01:56:17.000 I'm not only picking out McDonald's, but none of that shit. 0.98

01:56:21.000 We'll eat it occasionally for a goof, you know, like if maybe we're on a road trip or something like that and everyone's starving and we're like, pull in, daddy, pull in. 0.99

01:56:29.000 Like, okay, we'll pull in.

01:56:31.000 You know what I do like?

01:56:32.000 Popeyes fried chicken.

01:56:34.000 Oh my God, I love Popeyes.

01:56:36.000 I feel like that's still chicken and it's still normal.

01:56:38.000 It's just frozen, like, you know what I mean?

01:56:40.000 Well, I guess.

01:56:40.000 It's gnarly though.

01:56:42.000 There was some...

01:56:43.000 Gnarly is a funny word.

01:56:44.000 There's some parts of it.

01:56:46.000 Some food is gnarly.

01:56:47.000 Yeah.

01:56:48.000 Gnarly.

01:56:48.000 It's deep fried in some funky oil, for sure.

01:56:51.000 It's not healthy for me.

01:56:52.000 Wingstop's pretty good.

01:56:53.000 Is it?

01:56:54.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 I will go Wingstop from time to time. 0.97

01:56:58.000 Popeye's red beans and rice, though, is pretty fucking good. 0.82

01:57:00.000 I was traveling with my kid and a couple of his buddies during COVID and it was like we had to be responsible and be locked down in our own little zone and we were doing a surf trip and we did a lot of DoorDash and we did some Wingstop. 0.95

01:57:11.000 Yeah?

01:57:11.000 Good stuff?

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:13.000 Lemon pepper 10 peas.

01:57:16.000 I think people's ability to get food that easy was a giant mistake.

01:57:21.000 And I think if you think about the obesity problem in this country, all right, let's guess this.

01:57:25.000 I kind of used to know the answer, but I forgot it.

01:57:28.000 I think it's more than 50% of Americans are obese.

01:57:32.000 That's crazy.

01:57:33.000 I think it's something like that.

01:57:34.000 Did you get fat at all during COVID? No.

01:57:37.000 Yeah.

01:57:38.000 No.

01:57:38.000 I mean, I got maybe five pounds overweight at the most.

01:57:42.000 A lot of people got fat during COVID though, right?

01:57:43.000 Because- I have a gym.

01:57:45.000 A lot of people don't have home gyms.

01:57:46.000 Yeah, home gym is giant.

01:57:47.000 But also I'm like so accustomed to working out, whether it's running hills or- Keeps you sane.

01:57:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:57:54.000 Makes you a better person.

01:57:55.000 I have to work out. 1.00

01:57:56.000 How much of a dick are you if you don't exercise? 0.99

01:57:58.000 Well, I'm anxious, and I don't feel good, and I'm stressed, and even if I'm not a dick, I just don't feel good. 1.00

01:58:06.000 I feel like shit. 0.98

01:58:07.000 And when I work out, I feel so light and relaxed, you know? 0.99

01:58:11.000 I just feel so good.

01:58:13.000 But let's guess, what percentage...

01:58:16.000 I used to know the number, but I want to say it's more than 50% of Americans are obese.

01:58:21.000 Make a delineation between obese and overweight, because there's two different numbers that I got for you.

01:58:27.000 Okay.

01:58:28.000 Well, according to Body Mass Index, I'm obese.

01:58:33.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing.

01:58:35.000 Yeah, because I'm short, but I weigh 200 pounds.

01:58:38.000 So I'm supposed to be like 160 or something like that.

01:58:42.000 Isn't that weird?

01:58:43.000 It's such a bad way to measure somebody's health. 1.00

01:58:46.000 So stupid. 1.00

01:58:47.000 And that's like an important metric for like health insurance and all that kind of stuff. 1.00

01:58:51.000 Yeah, it's so dumb. 0.99

01:58:52.000 Adults over the age of 20, 40% are obese. 1.00

01:58:57.000 Wow!

01:58:58.000 71.6% are at least overweight and obese.

01:59:04.000 71% are overweight.

01:59:09.000 Wow!

01:59:11.000 So essentially almost three-quarters of America is overweight.

01:59:19.000 That's just genetics, man.

01:59:20.000 You can't do anything about it.

01:59:21.000 It's a disease.

01:59:22.000 Yeah, man.

01:59:22.000 It's like, it's not your fault.

01:59:23.000 It's not your fault, man.

01:59:24.000 It's not your fault.

01:59:25.000 It has nothing to do with you.

01:59:26.000 Hey, dude, if that many people are overweight, maybe it's just natural.

01:59:30.000 Yeah.

01:59:31.000 We are not meant to be obese.

01:59:33.000 Human beings were not meant to be obese.

01:59:35.000 We weren't.

01:59:36.000 Have you ever seen a photo of the beach from like 1940?

01:59:40.000 Yeah.

01:59:41.000 Before processed food?

01:59:42.000 It's wild.

01:59:43.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:59:44.000 It's wild.

01:59:45.000 And before convenience and laziness, dude.

01:59:46.000 Everybody was so thin.

01:59:47.000 Yeah.

01:59:48.000 Well, it was hard to get food back then.

01:59:50.000 Yeah.

01:59:50.000 It wasn't so convenient.

01:59:51.000 There was no DoorDash.

01:59:52.000 And I mean, when was McDonald's even invented? 0.97

01:59:55.000 I bet the first McDonald's burgers were fucking great. 0.96

01:59:58.000 Because I bet it was just a cheeseburger. 0.99

02:00:00.000 Probably really good, yeah.

02:00:00.000 Yeah, they probably just fried a nice cheeseburger.

02:00:02.000 It was probably like In-N-Out.

02:00:03.000 In-N-Out.

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 Right?

02:00:06.000 Well, see if you can find a beach photo from 1940. I'm looking for a good one.

02:00:10.000 Bro, it's wild.

02:00:12.000 Everyone's thin.

02:00:13.000 They're all thin.

02:00:14.000 Yeah.

02:00:14.000 No one has a gut.

02:00:16.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:00:17.000 It's fucking food, man. 1.00

02:00:19.000 It's food. 1.00

02:00:19.000 But you know how you can really tell it's food when you go to European countries? 1.00

02:00:23.000 You're like, hey, you guys are eating pasta every day.

02:00:25.000 Why do you weigh 150 pounds?

02:00:26.000 This hyper-convenience?

02:00:28.000 Look at that.

02:00:29.000 That's a great one.

02:00:30.000 That's a perfect example.

02:00:31.000 That's insane.

02:00:32.000 Insane. 1.00

02:00:32.000 Look at all these fucking people on the beach. 1.00

02:00:34.000 There's one overweight guy here on the right. 1.00

02:00:36.000 That's like the fattest guy.

02:00:37.000 Yeah, but barely.

02:00:38.000 That guy would be fit.

02:00:39.000 He'd be like, Tom, you're looking great.

02:00:40.000 He'd be ripped these days.

02:00:41.000 Bert Kreisch would kill to have that body. 0.66

02:00:43.000 That's crazy.

02:00:45.000 Now, imagine recreating that now.

02:00:46.000 It's just like a general sample of the population.

02:00:49.000 Oh my God, everybody would be so fat.

02:00:50.000 Look, everyone's kind of ripped.

02:00:53.000 Look, all these guys have abs.

02:00:54.000 Let's go back to 1940. Imagine how stoked the ladies were back then. 1.00

02:00:57.000 They were just like, look at all these ripped dudes.

02:00:59.000 Yeah, but the ladies never worked out. 1.00

02:01:01.000 So they were hot for about five years.

02:01:03.000 And then it was a wrap.

02:01:06.000 Now they're hot forever.

02:01:07.000 Oh my God. 1.00

02:01:09.000 Yeah, you can see a 50-year-old lady at the gym who's hot as fuck. 1.00

02:01:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:13.000 Yeah, they did not want to let it go. 0.99

02:01:14.000 They're there every morning with their fucking water bottle. 1.00

02:01:17.000 Disciplined. 1.00

02:01:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:01:18.000 My wife this morning, dude, I was hungover and tired and went to sleep at like 1.30 last night.

02:01:22.000 And the alarm went off at like 6.30 and she was like, bing, out of bed.

02:01:26.000 We gotta go to the gym.

02:01:27.000 It'll make us feel better.

02:01:28.000 Wow.

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:29.000 I was like, you're kidding me, girl.

02:01:30.000 Your wife's a go for it. 1.00

02:01:31.000 Yeah, she is.

02:01:32.000 You got a good one.

02:01:33.000 Yeah.

02:01:33.000 Look at these ladies with their hats, too.

02:01:35.000 They all have those goofy hats. 1.00

02:01:36.000 Sun hats and shit. 1.00

02:01:38.000 Yeah, there was very little convenience at this point in America, right? 0.99

02:01:41.000 I feel like our...

02:01:42.000 I swear that's one of my biggest concerns these days is the hyper-convenience.

02:01:47.000 And I'm super guilty of it as well. 1.00

02:01:50.000 All this shit. 0.99

02:01:51.000 Our phones and being able to order anything we want and do everything from our phone and have everything delivered. 0.99

02:01:57.000 Get that photo of those girls at the beach right there.

02:02:00.000 That's what a woman's supposed to look like when they don't work out. 1.00

02:02:03.000 Wow, you're going to cop a lot of shit for this, Joe. 1.00

02:02:06.000 No, if a woman doesn't work out, like back then, how am I copping shit for that? 1.00

02:02:10.000 That's what they looked like. 0.99

02:02:11.000 Well, you're telling women what they're supposed to look like, right? 1.00

02:02:14.000 Well, before they had processed food, before they didn't work, it's not ideal.

02:02:20.000 I 100% agree.

02:02:20.000 But if you go back, it's not, go back to that photo.

02:02:23.000 Where was all the bad genetics back then, Joe?

02:02:26.000 It's the food, bro.

02:02:27.000 Yeah.

02:02:28.000 It's the choices.

02:02:29.000 It's the laziness in the food.

02:02:30.000 Also, those are models.

02:02:31.000 I was going to say, they wouldn't waste photos on people back then.

02:02:35.000 I mean, those are very shapely young ladies. 1.00

02:02:37.000 I mean, they don't have bad genetics at all.

02:02:39.000 But I mean, the point is that...

02:02:42.000 They had to look good, though, because all the dudes were ripped.

02:02:46.000 All the guys had to work for a living, right? 0.99

02:02:48.000 They had to carry logs and shit. 0.99

02:02:50.000 But those women were not built. 1.00

02:02:52.000 If you find women today at a gym, the body shape is so different than the bodies from the 1940s. 1.00

02:02:59.000 You go to a gym, especially a CrossFit gym, you see girls with abs, fucking shoulder muscles are toned, they've got big fucking asses. 1.00

02:03:08.000 Look at those guys, they're jacked. 1.00

02:03:10.000 Look at those guys.

02:03:10.000 All fit?

02:03:11.000 They're probably swimming for miles.

02:03:13.000 No one's fat.

02:03:14.000 It's crazy.

02:03:15.000 I guarantee you it's the food.

02:03:17.000 100% it was the food.

02:03:19.000 Because if you just ate salads and meat, salads and fish, there's no way you'd get fat.

02:03:24.000 You'd have to eat so much.

02:03:26.000 One of the things that I found, I did that carnivore diet, and I'm going to do it again in January.

02:03:30.000 January's World Carnivore Month.

02:03:31.000 And what I do is, for the entire month, I eat nothing but meat.

02:03:35.000 What do you mean nothing but meat?

02:03:36.000 Be specific.

02:03:37.000 That's all.

02:03:37.000 Nothing but meat.

02:03:38.000 Are you serious?

02:03:38.000 That's it.

02:03:39.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 You never heard of that?

02:03:41.000 I just figured like the carnivore diet meant like a lot of meat.

02:03:45.000 No, it means only meat.

02:03:46.000 For a month, 30 days.

02:03:48.000 Yep.

02:03:48.000 Only meat.

02:03:49.000 I ate mostly ribeye steaks and I ate elk meat with bacon because you need some fats because your body essentially goes into ketosis.

02:03:57.000 Because through all the meat you don't get enough fat?

02:03:59.000 No, you need fats.

02:04:00.000 That's kind of crazy, right?

02:04:00.000 You would think there'd be plenty of fat.

02:04:02.000 No, not in game, mate.

02:04:03.000 I just added fat to the search we just did, and it brings up a bunch of comics about fat people from back then.

02:04:09.000 Well, they were pretending.

02:04:10.000 Imagine if someone was this fat.

02:04:12.000 And there was no such thing as fat shaming back then, right?

02:04:14.000 Right.

02:04:14.000 Because they would get mad at you.

02:04:15.000 You fat fuck. 1.00

02:04:17.000 People weren't so sensitive back then. 1.00

02:04:19.000 1940s fat women beach butt. 1.00

02:04:22.000 Huh. 0.99

02:04:23.000 So this was...

02:04:24.000 There were probably a few fat people back.

02:04:25.000 You probably had to look for them, though.

02:04:27.000 These days, people are all so sensitive, though. 0.99

02:04:29.000 We're a bunch of big pussies. 0.99

02:04:30.000 So my point is, when I ate this way, I lost 12 pounds in a month. 0.99

02:04:36.000 That's crazy.

02:04:37.000 And I'm sure some of it is like water in your muscles because you're not taking in any carbohydrates.

02:04:42.000 So you're...

02:04:43.000 And my mental clarity was incredible.

02:04:46.000 Like, my energy levels was incredible.

02:04:47.000 Wow.

02:04:48.000 That's kind of surprising, right?

02:04:49.000 But my exercise energy was not incredible, not good.

02:04:53.000 Like, I don't know if there's an adaptation period.

02:04:55.000 Stamina?

02:04:55.000 It's terrible.

02:04:56.000 Like, when I would work out, like, hit the bag, I'd get tired really quick.

02:04:59.000 Huh.

02:05:00.000 Even lifting weights, I'd get tired pretty quick.

02:05:02.000 I just was not...

02:05:03.000 I didn't have the same enthusiasm, the same, like, gusto that I have when I have a lot of carbs.

02:05:08.000 And I know friends that have tried to do keto, and they've tried to, like fighters who are training on keto, and they did not like it.

02:05:16.000 They did not feel good.

02:05:17.000 They felt like really low energy and lackadaisical.

02:05:20.000 I can't believe people do keto.

02:05:21.000 I mean, I get it.

02:05:22.000 I totally get it.

02:05:24.000 I get what's behind it, but I have a lot of friends who, I don't know, I know a ton of people who have tried keto.

02:05:30.000 I don't know anybody who's made a lifestyle change to keto for good.

02:05:34.000 I do know one guy who's on keto all the time.

02:05:37.000 Freaking hard, man.

02:05:38.000 He's a scientist.

02:05:38.000 It's hard.

02:05:39.000 Dom D'Agostino.

02:05:40.000 But he's a keto scientist.

02:05:42.000 One of the things he does is study the effects of ketones, exogenous ketones, naturally occurring ketones from food, and what's the best foods to eat in combination.

02:05:53.000 My point is, what I was going to say is even though I lost weight, also my appetite shrank.

02:06:00.000 You can only eat so much steak.

02:06:02.000 Yeah, that's for sure.

02:06:03.000 The thing is, if you have steak and then you have pasta and potatoes and maybe some brussel sprouts or whatever, like you ate at Red Ash last night, right?

02:06:12.000 Oh yeah.

02:06:12.000 Did you guys have steak there?

02:06:13.000 We sure did.

02:06:14.000 New York.

02:06:15.000 Steak's incredible, right?

02:06:15.000 We're out of New York.

02:06:16.000 They have that Argentine grill.

02:06:18.000 They have the wood fire.

02:06:19.000 That's why it's called Red Ash.

02:06:20.000 We went crazy.

02:06:20.000 It's all wood fire grill.

02:06:21.000 We had New York steak.

02:06:24.000 We had Red Snapper.

02:06:26.000 It was a crazy Red Snapper.

02:06:27.000 We had octopus.

02:06:28.000 We had...

02:06:30.000 Clams.

02:06:31.000 That place is a joke.

02:06:33.000 It's so good.

02:06:33.000 It's very good.

02:06:34.000 Thanks for getting us in there.

02:06:35.000 My pleasure.

02:06:35.000 We had a blast.

02:06:37.000 But my point is, if you were just eating steak, you'd get tired of it.

02:06:41.000 Your body gets satiated.

02:06:44.000 Satiety.

02:06:45.000 There's a high satiety level.

02:06:47.000 You get satisfied quickly.

02:06:50.000 And then you don't eat anymore.

02:06:53.000 But if you had the pasta next to it, you'd just start eating the pasta, too, even though you're done with the steak.

02:06:58.000 But if you just commit to eating steak, you'd be amazed when you get full, when you're full, when you're satisfied.

02:07:05.000 And then your body switches over to it, and it gets accustomed to it.

02:07:08.000 Like a couple weeks in, I was accustomed to it.

02:07:11.000 I feel like psychologically you just eat less because you're bored of eating the same thing too.

02:07:15.000 There's a little bit of that, but I didn't really get bored of it.

02:07:17.000 I still enjoyed it.

02:07:19.000 Steak is so good to me that I still enjoyed it.

02:07:22.000 But like when I was trying to eat only wild game, I felt like it's probably important that I mix some fat in there.

02:07:29.000 So I was cooking it in beef tallow a lot and I was also adding bacon.

02:07:34.000 And I think adding bacon was a good factor because it's just not enough.

02:07:39.000 I mean, there's no fat in a piece of elk.

02:07:42.000 So are you doing this again soon?

02:07:43.000 Yeah, I'm going to do it in January.

02:07:44.000 And what percentage of the meat that you're eating is wild game?

02:07:48.000 Well, during that time, I was doing more ribeyes than I was wild game, just for the fat.

02:07:54.000 Because I feel like you have to have fat.

02:07:57.000 You ever heard of rabbit starvation?

02:08:00.000 No.

02:08:01.000 If you eat an incredibly lean animal like a rabbit, rabbits are super lean, you could literally not have enough fat to survive even though you're eating.

02:08:12.000 You ever watch that show Alone?

02:08:14.000 Yeah, I had Jordan Jonas on the podcast.

02:08:18.000 He was the winner, right?

02:08:19.000 Yeah, he won it.

02:08:20.000 Dude, that show is so good.

02:08:21.000 And you wouldn't like exactly what you said, that rabbit starvation thing.

02:08:25.000 I didn't know it by name, but I trip on that show because they're eating. 0.94

02:08:29.000 Some of them are badasses. 0.92

02:08:31.000 They kill a lot of rabbits. 0.98

02:08:33.000 They kill a lot of, you know, small game animals and they're eating a lot and they're losing weight like crazy because there's no fat.

02:08:40.000 So rabbit starvation.

02:08:44.000 So let's say protein poisoning.

02:08:46.000 The term rabbit starvation originates from the fact that rabbit meat is very lean, almost all of the caloric content from protein rather than fat.

02:08:54.000 And click on that from Wikipedia.

02:08:58.000 I guess you can go back.

02:08:59.000 Just go back real quick.

02:09:00.000 It was in that bottom thing.

02:09:01.000 There it goes.

02:09:02.000 Okay, so the body takes in too much protein, not enough fat and carbohydrate for a long period of time.

02:09:08.000 Other names for this are rabbit starvation or mal de caribou.

02:09:12.000 These terms come about to describe only consuming very lean proteins such as rabbit without consuming other nutrients.

02:09:19.000 So Jordan, the guy that was on the podcast who won it, he actually had a wolverine steal a bunch of his fat.

02:09:27.000 He shot a moose because he brought a bow and arrow, and he was a bow hunter.

02:09:31.000 And he had actually spent a bunch of time living in Siberia with a bunch of indigenous people that live up there, and they would actually ride caribou like a horse. 1.00

02:09:41.000 It's wild shit. 1.00

02:09:42.000 Crazy. 1.00

02:09:43.000 And he lived with those people.

02:09:44.000 So he kind of had a better understanding of how to survive outside than anybody.

02:09:47.000 And so he shot this moose and he had stored the fat from the moose, like the call fat and all the gut fat and all that stuff.

02:09:54.000 And then a wolverine came and stole it. 1.00

02:09:56.000 And so he killed the wolverine with a fucking axe. 0.99

02:09:59.000 So he went out and fought this wolverine who was like attacking his stash of food and hacked it to death. 1.00

02:10:06.000 And then he ate its liver and ate its heart, I think.

02:10:10.000 Wild.

02:10:10.000 And they eat everything, like the eyes and the cheek and everything.

02:10:14.000 The fat's in there.

02:10:16.000 There's a lot of fat in the eye.

02:10:17.000 Yeah, and then they were like boiling the bones to get the marrow out.

02:10:21.000 That show was so good.

02:10:24.000 Oh, did you have marrow at Red Ash?

02:10:25.000 I didn't.

02:10:26.000 I should have told you to.

02:10:27.000 I know.

02:10:28.000 It's the best. 0.99

02:10:29.000 I fucked up. 0.99

02:10:30.000 That's what Phil said too. 1.00

02:10:31.000 He's like, did you have the marrow?

02:10:32.000 And I was like, what?

02:10:32.000 Oh my god, you gotta have the marrow.

02:10:34.000 Their bone marrow, they deliver it on, it's like bone marrow's healthy, but we're gonna put it on garlic bread.

02:10:41.000 So it's like this thick, delicious bread covered with like butter and garlic.

02:10:46.000 Dude, I had that.

02:10:47.000 I didn't know there was bone marrow on it though.

02:10:49.000 Oh, that's a different, that's, that one didn't have bone marrow. 0.99

02:10:51.000 That shit was crazy good though. 0.99

02:10:53.000 There's that garlic bread, and then they take bone marrow and serve it with that garlic bread. 1.00

02:10:58.000 It's off the chain, son.

02:10:59.000 I gotta come back to Austin for that.

02:11:00.000 Off the chain.

02:11:01.000 Great staff there, too.

02:11:03.000 That place is incredible.

02:11:04.000 Everyone's so nice.

02:11:05.000 Everyone's so nice in Texas, right?

02:11:07.000 You notice the difference?

02:11:08.000 Yeah, it's epic.

02:11:09.000 I love it.

02:11:10.000 It's my wife's first time to Austin, and I've been coming here a little bit over the years, and I like it.

02:11:15.000 I love the city.

02:11:16.000 It is an amazing place. 1.00

02:11:18.000 Look at this shit somebody gave me. 1.00

02:11:19.000 This is a real one that they pulled out of the ground here. 1.00

02:11:21.000 A real arrowhead.

02:11:22.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:22.000 Very cool.

02:11:23.000 Yeah.

02:11:24.000 Real Native American destiny.

02:11:25.000 You know you're supposed to leave these where they lie, Joe.

02:11:27.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

02:11:27.000 Somebody gave it to me, though.

02:11:28.000 Look at that.

02:11:29.000 That's the red ash bone marrow. 1.00

02:11:30.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

02:11:31.000 You can bring it home, dude. 1.00

02:11:32.000 I know.

02:11:32.000 Enjoy it.

02:11:33.000 Isn't that stupid? 1.00

02:11:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:34.000 Leave them where they lie.

02:11:35.000 Why?

02:11:36.000 That's the red ash bone marrow.

02:11:38.000 Look at that. 0.98

02:11:38.000 Sick. 0.98

02:11:38.000 Don't go there. 0.98

02:11:39.000 Anyone listening, come to Austin.

02:11:41.000 It's terrible.

02:11:42.000 Don't go to red ash. 1.00

02:11:43.000 I already fucked up. 1.00

02:11:44.000 I already fucked up. 1.00

02:11:45.000 Talked too much about it. 0.99

02:11:46.000 The place was popping last night.

02:11:47.000 But imagine like this is what you're relying on to get your food.

02:11:50.000 Yeah.

02:11:51.000 And then a homemade arrow.

02:11:52.000 Badass.

02:11:53.000 You're like kind of just judging roughly how much it weighs.

02:11:57.000 No rangefinder.

02:11:58.000 Yeah, no rangefinder.

02:12:00.000 I mean, have you ever shot traditional?

02:12:01.000 Have you ever shot like a recurve or anything?

02:12:03.000 Only at Target.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:04.000 Terrible.

02:12:05.000 Yeah.

02:12:06.000 It's amazing anybody killed anything with those things.

02:12:08.000 Well, people were frickin' hungry back then, too.

02:12:11.000 I mean, it's like you become a lot better at something out of necessity and starvation.

02:12:16.000 I wonder what they practiced on.

02:12:19.000 Like, how did they practice getting good with a bow and arrow?

02:12:21.000 Did they have targets back then?

02:12:22.000 For sure they had targets, for sure.

02:12:24.000 They had to, right?

02:12:25.000 They probably made it out of, like, dirt and hay or something like that, for sure.

02:12:28.000 Yeah, must be.

02:12:30.000 Because that was, I mean, that was the only way they could kill something real that they could last, that would last for a long time, so.

02:12:36.000 And they were feeding whole villages, right, and groups of people.

02:12:39.000 So, you know, the people who were hunters, they had to get really, that's all they did.

02:12:42.000 They were, like, specialized in bow hunting, you know?

02:12:46.000 Well, there's a guy that I know online out here that's friends with a good buddy of mine.

02:12:51.000 I got introduced to him, and he has a ranch, and he finds arrowheads all the time.

02:12:56.000 He sifts through them. 0.97

02:12:57.000 Like, there's a fucking immense amount of arrowheads out here. 0.98

02:13:02.000 Think of all the shots that were missed back then. 0.98

02:13:04.000 Yeah, or even made it.

02:13:06.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:13:07.000 Broke off the arrow, and the arrowhead lay there.

02:13:10.000 But this guy finds them on his ranch, like, literally every week.

02:13:15.000 Like, a dozen.

02:13:16.000 So you gotta imagine, like, he does it, like, he has a whole method.

02:13:21.000 Like, they'll dig out a specific chunk of ground, and then they take the dirt, and they sift through it.

02:13:27.000 Like, he's like a professional arrowhead hunter.

02:13:29.000 And he finds some of them that are gorgeous, that they're see-through.

02:13:33.000 That one's insane!

02:13:35.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

02:13:36.000 Think about the Native Americans back in the day. 1.00

02:13:38.000 That was their job, was hunting with bow and arrow.

02:13:41.000 They were blacking out the sky with arrows, dude.

02:13:44.000 Yeah, well, they were really good at shooting arrows while they were riding a horse, too, apparently.

02:13:50.000 How badass is that?

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:52.000 They were really good in motion.

02:13:54.000 Like, they had a timing thing.

02:13:55.000 They knew exactly how to let it go.

02:13:58.000 Crazy.

02:13:59.000 Just imagine having to feed your family with this, your kids. 0.81

02:14:03.000 Think of how much you love your kids and think about having to make a projectile point out of rocks and make it sharp enough so you could stick it through the ribcage of a deer so that you could eat.

02:14:16.000 With a bow that you've for sure made yourself with your hands.

02:14:20.000 You ain't buying it anywhere.

02:14:21.000 No.

02:14:22.000 No.

02:14:23.000 Imagine the shame and the guilt of coming back to camp or coming back to the village with nothing.

02:14:28.000 All your arrows are gone.

02:14:29.000 And everyone's starving.

02:14:31.000 Your horse is starving and thirsty.

02:14:33.000 Your whole family's, what'd you get dad?

02:14:35.000 Didn't get anything.

02:14:36.000 They would oftentimes have to eat their horse.

02:14:38.000 Pretty heavy.

02:14:39.000 Yeah.

02:14:40.000 Dude, I've been reading so many books over the last few years about Native Americans.

02:14:44.000 And one of the books was about this specific area called Empire of the Summer Moon, and it's all about the Comanche and the Comanche, how they lived here.

02:14:53.000 Those people ate nothing but meat.

02:14:55.000 The Comanche ate all buffalo.

02:14:57.000 The majority of their diet was buffalo.

02:15:01.000 They occasionally eat bare.

02:15:02.000 How lean they were.

02:15:03.000 Oh my god, they were shredded.

02:15:04.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:15:06.000 They were shredded.

02:15:07.000 I mean, you didn't have a chance to get fat back then.

02:15:09.000 Working all day, eating nothing but buffalo.

02:15:11.000 Jeez, that's a dream.

02:15:12.000 Running around, soaking up that vitamin D. Their wives were stoked. 0.95

02:15:18.000 They were.

02:15:20.000 They were so shallow.

02:15:22.000 Trying to stay alive.

02:15:22.000 They're just like, look at my man.

02:15:24.000 Look at that rig.

02:15:25.000 So shredded.

02:15:26.000 Yeah.

02:15:27.000 Shredded!

02:15:27.000 So shredded.

02:15:28.000 Jeez.

02:15:30.000 Yeah, it's a harder world than not that long ago.

02:15:34.000 When are you doing that all-meat month-long day?

02:15:37.000 January.

02:15:38.000 That's like no-nut November.

02:15:39.000 Ha ha ha! 1.00

02:15:41.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

02:15:43.000 That doesn't make any sense. 1.00

02:15:45.000 But the carnivore diet, I know people that have been on it for years.

02:15:49.000 And some people supplement with fruit and with honey.

02:15:53.000 And some folks would just eat steak and apples.

02:15:57.000 That's a common one.

02:15:59.000 They'll get a little carbohydrates from apples.

02:16:01.000 And the idea is that fruit is a natural thing that humans eat.

02:16:05.000 It's unprocessed.

02:16:06.000 It's very simple.

02:16:07.000 And that you get some carbohydrates that way, and then you get most of your protein and your fats and everything else from meat.

02:16:16.000 What does the scientific health data say about that diet?

02:16:19.000 Like the non-biased, middle-of-the-road, like just strictly facts.

02:16:24.000 That's a good question.

02:16:25.000 If you ate like that for three months, say, or four months at the end, would there be any red flags in that diet?

02:16:32.000 There's a guy named Paul Saladino who's been on the podcast before who wrote a book about it.

02:16:37.000 I think it's called The Carnivore Code.

02:16:39.000 And he's actually an MD. And he eats nothing but meat.

02:16:44.000 And he's become a carnivore advocate.

02:16:47.000 And he absolutely believes that as long as you eat what they call nose to tail, so as long as you eat liver, heart, kidneys, and he supplements also with some fruit and some honey and some things like that,

02:17:04.000 but I think his position is to stay the fuck away from everything processed, everything with any kind of Like, preservatives or chemicals that allow it to sit on a shelf for years. 0.99

02:17:18.000 Like, all that shit is not good for you. 0.99

02:17:20.000 It's not good for your gut biome. 1.00

02:17:22.000 It's not really healthy for you.

02:17:24.000 I mean, it's better than starving, but it's not good food.

02:17:27.000 The best food is lean, healthy meat with, you know, natural fats.

02:17:33.000 Like, grass-fed fats are better for you.

02:17:36.000 It's like grass-fed ribeyes is really where it's at.

02:17:39.000 You know, where you get, like...

02:17:41.000 Just the natural fat from a healthy animal.

02:17:44.000 And then healthy, lean, red meat.

02:17:47.000 And then, you know, he'll eat some other stuff along with that, like some berries or something along those lines.

02:17:53.000 Does he eat fish, too, or no?

02:17:54.000 Yeah.

02:17:55.000 But he's shredded.

02:17:57.000 He's real healthy.

02:17:58.000 He's been doing it for years.

02:17:59.000 And he was a vegan at one point in time.

02:18:01.000 Oh, wow.

02:18:02.000 His body must have tripped.

02:18:05.000 Yeah, he said he was unhealthy as a vegan, and I don't know if he was doing it right.

02:18:09.000 I mean, some people...

02:18:09.000 And then it's also...

02:18:10.000 There's different people that can do a vegan diet, and they thrive on it.

02:18:16.000 They have zero problem.

02:18:17.000 And they look great. 1.00

02:18:18.000 And there's other people that have real fucking problems. 0.99

02:18:20.000 Like, I have a good buddy of mine who... 0.98

02:18:23.000 For ethical considerations, he decided that he wanted to try veganism. 0.99

02:18:26.000 Then he had to quit after a couple months because his fucking blood chart was so off. 0.99

02:18:31.000 He went and got his blood levels and his lipids were so fucked up. 0.99

02:18:34.000 And he's like, I have to stop doing this. 0.98

02:18:36.000 It's not for everybody.

02:18:37.000 No.

02:18:38.000 So he started eating fish.

02:18:39.000 He started eating salmon and salmon eggs.

02:18:42.000 You know, trying to get healthy fats.

02:18:44.000 And then he eventually went back to meat.

02:18:46.000 And he just felt like he feels better when he eats meat.

02:18:49.000 Have you ever tried the vegan thing?

02:18:50.000 No.

02:18:51.000 I did vegetarian for six months back when I was fighting because I was trying to make weight.

02:19:00.000 And I had gone from this one weight class and the next weight class was 14 pounds heavier and I was trying not to go up in the weight class.

02:19:09.000 And I eventually had to give up.

02:19:11.000 And then I started eating meat again and I gained 10 pounds quickly.

02:19:15.000 Wow.

02:19:15.000 Did you get skinny from the vegetarian diet?

02:19:18.000 I was weak.

02:19:18.000 I was getting weak.

02:19:20.000 I was kind of starving myself.

02:19:22.000 It was not smart.

02:19:23.000 It was just I was the state champion at 140 pounds.

02:19:27.000 And I really wasn't 140 pounds.

02:19:30.000 I was in the 150 range and I would diet and starve myself and then I would dehydrate myself to get down to 140. And I would have to fight the day that I did it too.

02:19:38.000 You weigh in the day of.

02:19:40.000 And then I did it for one year.

02:19:43.000 I mean, I did it before I was 18. And then when I was 18, I did one year at 140. And then I went up to 154. And then I was at my best after that.

02:19:52.000 Like, my best performances in competition were definitely at 154 pounds.

02:19:57.000 It was way better.

02:19:59.000 Well, it probably helped for your, I don't know what your blood type is, but it probably, you know...

02:20:04.000 Maybe stronger, more power.

02:20:06.000 100%.

02:20:06.000 I was way more powerful.

02:20:07.000 Way faster.

02:20:08.000 And I had more energy.

02:20:10.000 I was just better.

02:20:11.000 I was better all around.

02:20:12.000 It was a 100% good decision.

02:20:14.000 I tried to be a vegan for three or four months just to check it out.

02:20:17.000 I read that book, The China Study.

02:20:19.000 Have you read that?

02:20:20.000 Yeah, but have you ever read the criticisms of that book?

02:20:22.000 No, I haven't.

02:20:23.000 But that book did its job and terrified the shit out of me for a little bit.

02:20:26.000 And I was like, I'm going to see how this goes and try it.

02:20:29.000 So I tried it, which for me is really difficult, right?

02:20:31.000 Because I was traveling a ton at that time, going to different countries.

02:20:35.000 So being a vegan was a challenge.

02:20:38.000 I didn't starve myself.

02:20:39.000 I definitely was eating a lot.

02:20:40.000 And I actually gained weight.

02:20:42.000 But I like immediately, it was like I took estrogen or something. 0.99

02:20:45.000 I immediately, this is gonna sound bad, like I'm sure my vegan friends out there are like shit talking on vegans. 0.99

02:20:50.000 But I lost any muscle. 0.99

02:20:53.000 I was working out like a beast at the time.

02:20:55.000 And I lost like the muscle that I had, like the muscle density went away, like very quickly.

02:21:01.000 And I continued working out.

02:21:03.000 My energy levels were high.

02:21:05.000 I was sleeping really well.

02:21:07.000 I felt like I was processing the things I was eating really well.

02:21:10.000 But I ended up gaining like 10 pounds.

02:21:11.000 In four months.

02:21:12.000 A lot of carbs.

02:21:13.000 Yeah.

02:21:14.000 Which is weird.

02:21:15.000 Everybody...

02:21:16.000 I mean, I thought I would lose weight.

02:21:17.000 I gained weight.

02:21:18.000 And then...

02:21:19.000 But I definitely did.

02:21:20.000 I lost...

02:21:20.000 My body liked it from the perspective of my sleep pattern was totally fine.

02:21:27.000 I felt like I had energy.

02:21:28.000 But my body hated it from like a vanity standpoint.

02:21:32.000 I just...

02:21:33.000 I just...

02:21:33.000 Do you think maybe you're just doing it wrong?

02:21:35.000 Like if you had like...

02:21:36.000 Full Bill Gates rig.

02:21:38.000 Is he vegan?

02:21:39.000 I'm just joking, but his body...

02:21:41.000 Well, when he talks about global health, I'm like, how about personal health?

02:21:45.000 Look at you. 1.00

02:21:46.000 He's fat as fuck. 1.00

02:21:47.000 He's got this giant gut. 1.00

02:21:49.000 How good are those stories about Bill Gates?

02:21:51.000 Not to go off down a different road, but like all the stories...

02:21:55.000 I always just thought he was, like, this nerdy dude.

02:21:57.000 He had these interests in, like, computer software and, you know, whatever, gene therapies, whatever got going on now.

02:22:03.000 But, like, all the stories about him throwing, like, raging parties and he's, like, hammered drunk and he's, like, gnarly, like, womanizer guy.

02:22:10.000 Really?

02:22:11.000 Yeah.

02:22:11.000 Hammered?

02:22:12.000 Yeah.

02:22:12.000 Hammered drunk.

02:22:13.000 Where are you reading these studies?

02:22:14.000 Or these stories?

02:22:15.000 Jamie could probably pull it up.

02:22:17.000 Bill Gates hosted nude pool parties and got drunk pretty easily.

02:22:22.000 Let's go!

02:22:23.000 But again, listen to this.

02:22:24.000 Insiders say.

02:22:25.000 Oh, insiders.

02:22:26.000 Bill Gates went to a Seattle all-nude strip club and invited them to come swim in his pool, according to biographer James Wallace.

02:22:34.000 He's dead now.

02:22:35.000 James Wallace died in a strange strangulation...

02:22:40.000 Bill and Melinda Gates announced their divorce after 27 years of marriage.

02:22:43.000 Okay.

02:22:44.000 Yeah, dude. 0.97

02:22:46.000 Bill Gates womanizer.

02:22:48.000 He was not just the nerdy Bill Gates that we all have come to know.

02:22:52.000 The biographer said this.

02:22:53.000 How does his biographer find all this about him?

02:22:56.000 Ask people.

02:22:58.000 Notorious for throwing naked pool parties with strippers. 0.63

02:23:02.000 Bad Bill. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Imagine if you throw one party with strippers and then you're fucking notorious for it. 0.98

02:23:07.000 I mean, how many times did he do that? 0.98

02:23:10.000 I bet before the internet, though, he thought he could get buck wild.

02:23:12.000 Back when Windows 95 came out.

02:23:14.000 But like, as if it's a big deal.

02:23:16.000 It's only a big deal because it's Bill Gates, right?

02:23:18.000 Right.

02:23:19.000 Like, it's not a big deal.

02:23:20.000 No. 0.99

02:23:20.000 So he likes strippers and naked pool parties. 0.99

02:23:22.000 Who doesn't? 0.99

02:23:23.000 For real.

02:23:23.000 Like, that's normal.

02:23:24.000 It's from a 1997 biography.

02:23:26.000 We need to normalize that.

02:23:28.000 It's not cool.

02:23:29.000 It seems normal to want to be around naked people.

02:23:32.000 People do enjoy naked bodies.

02:23:35.000 Maybe his wife wasn't on board and that's why it's not cool.

02:23:38.000 But otherwise, I've seen no problem with it. 1.00

02:23:40.000 Maybe she was behind a fucking two-way mirror. 1.00

02:23:43.000 Maybe she had the tripod set up and was filming. 1.00

02:23:45.000 Yeah.

02:23:46.000 Maybe she was blackmailing everybody just the way... 1.00

02:23:48.000 Melinda.

02:23:49.000 Melinda behind the cab.

02:23:52.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 After a while, she had to tap out.

02:23:54.000 That's enough, Bill.

02:23:55.000 Good luck.

02:23:56.000 See ya.

02:23:57.000 Bad, Bill.

02:23:59.000 That's funny.

02:24:00.000 But again, here's a guy who's concerned with vaccines and health.

02:24:04.000 He's got a giant gut.

02:24:06.000 Like, dude, you're overweight.

02:24:07.000 This is the worst thing you could ever be in this pandemic.

02:24:11.000 Have you ever seen the national health minister for, what is it?

02:24:13.000 Yeah, Belgium.

02:24:13.000 I'm sure you guys have, Belgium.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, hilarious.

02:24:16.000 Yeah, it's a picture of health.

02:24:18.000 This saying that that's the national, well, it's just, what?

02:24:23.000 How do they- Who hired that person?

02:24:24.000 Yeah.

02:24:25.000 And said the optics on this is totally fine.

02:24:27.000 She's fine.

02:24:29.000 Seems fine.

02:24:30.000 Only morbidly obese.

02:24:31.000 Jamie, you got a visual for us?

02:24:34.000 I mean, looks like she's seconds away from dead. 0.99

02:24:36.000 Yeah, it's not a good look.

02:24:38.000 Not to be...

02:24:39.000 Oh, Belgian health minister.

02:24:43.000 You know the one, right?

02:24:44.000 It's preposterous.

02:24:46.000 But in Belgium, what do they do?

02:24:48.000 They drink beer.

02:24:50.000 What else comes from Belgium?

02:24:52.000 Eat sticks of butter, by the looks of it.

02:24:54.000 I think it's a lot of sugar.

02:24:56.000 When someone's that big...

02:24:57.000 Whoa.

02:24:58.000 Yeah, there it goes.

02:25:00.000 I mean, there's nothing wrong with her, but like National Health Minister, I just think the optics is...

02:25:05.000 Well, she's morbidly obese. 1.00

02:25:06.000 A little sketchy. 0.91

02:25:07.000 Absolutely morbidly obese.

02:25:09.000 Yeah.

02:25:11.000 You know, I mean, it's crazy.

02:25:14.000 Oh, she said, she was quoted as saying, vegan diet is unhealthy and dangerous for infants.

02:25:21.000 Well, that's true, probably for infants, but what are you eating?

02:25:26.000 Oh my God, look how big she is. 0.70

02:25:28.000 She's got back fat, like all the way up the back of her neck. 1.00

02:25:31.000 That's a large lady. 1.00

02:25:35.000 Oh, man.

02:25:36.000 I mean, maybe nobody else wanted the job.

02:25:37.000 But why do you think she would take it?

02:25:40.000 And who hired her? 1.00

02:25:41.000 Some asshole. 1.00

02:25:46.000 That's mean to say, but it's not right. 1.00

02:25:49.000 She had the wrong job.

02:25:50.000 It's accurate, is what it is.

02:25:52.000 It's kind of mean if she hears it.

02:25:54.000 It's bad hiring right there.

02:25:55.000 Oh, that's English.

02:25:57.000 20 stone.

02:25:57.000 I love that.

02:25:58.000 That's, I think, 20 stones.

02:26:00.000 230 pounds.

02:26:02.000 How many pounds in a stone?

02:26:03.000 Is a stone 13 or 14 pounds?

02:26:06.000 14 sounds right, I think.

02:26:07.000 So what does that article say?

02:26:09.000 20 stone minister for public health is accused of being too big to be credible, but hits back saying it's what's inside that counts.

02:26:18.000 Oh, she hit back. 0.98

02:26:19.000 Is that a clap back?

02:26:20.000 She clapped back? 1.00

02:26:22.000 Fuck outta here. 1.00

02:26:23.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:26:24.000 She hits back. 1.00

02:26:25.000 It's what's inside that counts.

02:26:26.000 Yeah.

02:26:27.000 Yeah, all that food.

02:26:29.000 Yeah.

02:26:29.000 That counts.

02:26:30.000 Yeah.

02:26:30.000 That counts against your health.

02:26:31.000 It really does count in a big way.

02:26:34.000 Well, also, it's a lack of discipline, for sure, but also a lack of awareness.

02:26:42.000 Why do you keep eating when you get that big?

02:26:44.000 At what point in time do you go, hey, I gotta put this in check.

02:26:49.000 I can't see my feet.

02:26:50.000 I wonder that all the time.

02:26:57.000 For me, I've never really had weight issues, right?

02:27:04.000 My body's normally probably supposed to be sort of similar to this.

02:27:09.000 It may be harder for her, maybe she has a thyroid issue, whatever it is, but regardless, there's lifestyle choices that you can She could lose 100 pounds in the next two years if she wanted to. 1.00

02:27:22.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:27:23.000 Definitely be done.

02:27:23.000 Regardless of her thyroid, regardless of things that are making it look harder for her.

02:27:28.000 A lot of people have done it.

02:27:30.000 It's not easy.

02:27:31.000 To change your life like that, to go from where you are now to where you want to be, to make these massive adjustments and become a different person...

02:27:39.000 It's not easy.

02:27:42.000 It's not just hard. 0.96

02:27:43.000 It's really fucking hard. 0.96

02:27:45.000 Yeah, it's really hard. 0.99

02:27:46.000 But people have done it.

02:27:47.000 Isn't it crazy how people have discipline for some things but other things not?

02:27:50.000 I have a really good friend who's been struggling with his weight for a long time.

02:27:56.000 He's really big.

02:27:57.000 And he's super, super disciplined with working out.

02:28:01.000 Works out every day.

02:28:02.000 Hardcore.

02:28:03.000 He's always sending me pictures of him all sweaty, running upstairs.

02:28:05.000 But when it comes to food, he's totally undisciplined.

02:28:09.000 So he works out really hard, but he eats like terrible.

02:28:11.000 And so he's really, really huge.

02:28:13.000 And I feel so bad for the guy.

02:28:15.000 I'm like, you're so disciplined with your exercise.

02:28:17.000 He just loves it.

02:28:18.000 Just bring it over here to the food part.

02:28:21.000 Yeah, but it's like people think that that's the reward for the exercise.

02:28:25.000 So they can go eat a large pizza.

02:28:27.000 And it is to a certain extent, right?

02:28:30.000 Once a week.

02:28:30.000 I eat sort of what I want.

02:28:32.000 And I feel like I justify it by working out a lot.

02:28:37.000 She's not the health minister anymore.

02:28:38.000 She's out as health minister in new Belgian government.

02:28:41.000 Just for record.

02:28:42.000 It says, I will be a free woman from tomorrow, she said. 1.00

02:28:45.000 And I'm going to fucking eat cake and celebrate. 0.98

02:28:48.000 Hopefully she's free to get on the program. 0.99

02:28:50.000 Yeah, well, it would be nice.

02:28:51.000 It would be nice if she was...

02:28:53.000 Healthy.

02:28:54.000 I love when people lose weight and get healthy.

02:28:56.000 Like my friend Lara, I was telling you about, she's a comedian, hilarious comedian. 0.97

02:29:01.000 I've taken her on the road a bunch of times.

02:29:03.000 During the pandemic, at the beginning of the pandemic, she was very overweight and she realized like, oh my God, this is like the highest risk for mortality is to be overweight.

02:29:12.000 So she started watching videos of people doing exercise routines, did some at home, and then got a trainer and lost a shitload of weight.

02:29:21.000 I think she does all her training with this lady online, like, you know, like a Zoom thing. 0.99

02:29:26.000 But I think it's one of her friends, too.

02:29:29.000 But anyway, she's lost, like, what has Laura lost, like 50 pounds?

02:29:33.000 At least.

02:29:34.000 Once you start seeing those results too, it's got to be so addicting.

02:29:37.000 Yeah.

02:29:38.000 To see that progress and feel better and like just way less, less impact.

02:29:42.000 And like for, you know, if someone's really big their whole lives and all of a sudden they lose 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and they just feel better and it feels...

02:29:49.000 And they get momentum.

02:29:50.000 It's got to be exhilarating.

02:29:51.000 Yeah.

02:29:52.000 Well, she's had addiction problems in the past and now her new addiction is being healthy, which is a great addiction to have.

02:29:59.000 And so when we go out to dinner, like, she makes sure there's no sugar in anything she orders.

02:30:07.000 She'll ask them, is there any gluten?

02:30:09.000 Wow.

02:30:09.000 And she's, like, super strict.

02:30:11.000 Like, just vegetables and fish and meat and just no fucking around at all. 0.99

02:30:16.000 No dessert. 0.99

02:30:17.000 Drinks water.

02:30:18.000 Probably feels so good.

02:30:19.000 Yeah, man.

02:30:19.000 Like, she looks great.

02:30:21.000 I mean, she...

02:30:22.000 See if you can find out before or after.

02:30:24.000 We've shown it before, but...

02:30:25.000 It's worth celebrating because when someone can pull it together and have discipline and show results, it lets everybody know, oh, I look like her before.

02:30:36.000 I can do it.

02:30:37.000 I can be healthier.

02:30:38.000 And now, like, you would never imagine if you saw her, you just see, oh, look, that thin girl. 0.82

02:30:43.000 She looks like a healthy person, normal, you know, like a healthy, active person.

02:30:49.000 When we go to the gym, she's, oh, look at her.

02:30:52.000 Wow!

02:30:52.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:30:53.000 Isn't that amazing?

02:30:54.000 That is so inspiring.

02:30:55.000 Imagine all the people that she knew is like, what?

02:30:57.000 I know.

02:30:58.000 If you saw her today, you hadn't seen her in a couple years.

02:31:01.000 That's awesome.

02:31:02.000 Wow.

02:31:03.000 I love that.

02:31:03.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:31:05.000 Think of how much better protected she is against all the shit that we're dealing with these days, being way healthier and stronger. 0.98

02:31:11.000 It's freaking awesome. 0.99

02:31:12.000 Yeah, giant fucking difference. 0.98

02:31:13.000 Giant difference. 0.99

02:31:14.000 Am I spreading misinformation by saying that?

02:31:16.000 Yep.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, and you're going to go to jail, according to this new New York law.

02:31:20.000 You see that new New York law they're trying to pass, Jamie?

02:31:23.000 That's crazy talk.

02:31:24.000 There's wild bills that I put it on my Instagram stories because Chris Weidman sent it to me. 1.00

02:31:33.000 This is really crazy shit. 0.94

02:31:36.000 But on January 5th, the legislative session begins, and there's a snapshot of a few of the bills that are looking to be passed for New York State. 0.99

02:31:47.000 And one of them, Assembly Bill A8378, forced COVID shots mandated to attend school.

02:31:57.000 And then it gets down.

02:31:58.000 There's a couple other ones, but here's one.

02:32:01.000 Eliminates religious exemption for work and college.

02:32:05.000 And then here's the bottom.

02:32:08.000 Eliminates parents' consent to shots when a child reaches 14 years of age.

02:32:14.000 So your 14-year-old kid, you can't say that your kid doesn't get a COVID shot.

02:32:20.000 The school just gives them a shot.

02:32:22.000 The school just takes care of your kid's body.

02:32:26.000 Which is wild.

02:32:27.000 Eliminates a parent's right to consent to STD shots for children of any age.

02:32:34.000 So imagine your child is five and they give your kid like a...

02:32:40.000 What are the shots?

02:32:42.000 Like there's one for warts.

02:32:44.000 What is that?

02:32:45.000 What is that called?

02:32:47.000 Yeah, HPV. Which apparently has like some wild side effects for some people.

02:32:53.000 They could just give it to your five-year-old.

02:32:55.000 Here's another one.

02:32:56.000 This is the scariest one.

02:32:58.000 Assembly Bill A416 allows the governor to imprison without trial anyone she considers a threat to public health.

02:33:11.000 So I'm like, is that me?

02:33:14.000 Like, if I say, hey, I don't think you should get vaccinated, like, is that me?

02:33:17.000 If I said something like that, I mean, if I did say something like that, and I think I have in the past, if I said something like that, am I a threat to public health?

02:33:24.000 Like, is that, like, what is it?

02:33:26.000 The governor gets to choose that?

02:33:29.000 Like, that's unconstitutional.

02:33:31.000 Without trial?

02:33:32.000 In prison without trial?

02:33:34.000 That's so vague, a threat to public health?

02:33:37.000 What does that mean?

02:33:38.000 Well, if you're fat, and you're sick, and you're sneezing on the subway, you're a threat to public health.

02:33:43.000 Like, what's a threat to public health? 0.99

02:33:45.000 Like, that's pretty fucking vague. 0.91

02:33:47.000 Which is really effed up. 0.93

02:33:48.000 Dude, this is what's scary to me about this COVID thing, is that the government has gotten accustomed to having way more power over people.

02:33:58.000 Way more power to control people's lives. 1.00

02:34:00.000 And they like that shit. 1.00

02:34:01.000 They enjoy it. 1.00

02:34:04.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 I think it's human nature to crave that power.

02:34:06.000 And when they see that moment, it's like gaining momentum, too, right?

02:34:09.000 Also, they feel righteous.

02:34:10.000 They feel like it's a good cause.

02:34:12.000 They should be doing this. 1.00

02:34:13.000 Like, God, these fucking idiots. 1.00

02:34:14.000 We need to help them. 1.00

02:34:17.000 I'm on Oahu right now, hanging out surfing with my kid.

02:34:22.000 And the school there is doing these vaccine drives where they were staying with a family there and they have a couple little kids and that school is doing these vaccine drives where they have this like mobile vaccine bus that pulls up right in front of the school.

02:34:37.000 The parents can't go in there.

02:34:39.000 Parents got to drop off their kid on the perimeter of the school.

02:34:42.000 Kids go in.

02:34:42.000 The bus is in the school.

02:34:44.000 During school hours, doing this vaccine drive, in the classroom, the teachers are saying, who's getting vaccinated?

02:34:53.000 Raise your hand.

02:34:54.000 So there's like these...

02:34:55.000 So there's pressure on them.

02:34:56.000 There's heavy pressure on them.

02:34:58.000 And it's like they're shaming...

02:35:00.000 Some of the teachers are shaming the children that aren't getting vaccinated.

02:35:05.000 They're doing these vaccine drives.

02:35:06.000 You have to...

02:35:09.000 I forget what it was, but now you have to sign to opt out for your kid.

02:35:13.000 But before, if you didn't, they could go ahead and vaccinate your kid and that happened on Maui a few times.

02:35:18.000 But it's just heavy.

02:35:19.000 My friend's son got vaccinated and he has myocarditis.

02:35:23.000 And it hit him hard and he's really freaking out about it.

02:35:27.000 He has heart palpitations, his heart races.

02:35:32.000 He's not the only person I know that's had it from them.

02:35:34.000 One guy I know that's in his late 30s got it.

02:35:36.000 And, you know, he's been rushed to the emergency room twice because, like, his heart's just racing out of control and he's freaking out.

02:35:43.000 And so they took him to the emergency room twice.

02:35:46.000 Healthy guy.

02:35:47.000 Plays soccer.

02:35:47.000 Fit.

02:35:49.000 Decided to get vaccinated.

02:35:51.000 It just was one of the unlucky ones.

02:35:53.000 And it's not a lot of people, you know.

02:35:55.000 It is though.

02:35:56.000 It is.

02:35:57.000 It is.

02:35:57.000 Over time.

02:35:58.000 Yeah.

02:35:58.000 Because, I mean, my friend group is not that big.

02:36:01.000 And I know quite a few people who have had adverse effects from vaccinations.

02:36:06.000 I have a really good friend who's a lifeguard.

02:36:09.000 We should say COVID vaccinations.

02:36:11.000 Yeah, COVID vaccinations.

02:36:12.000 We're not talking about like regular vaccinations.

02:36:13.000 I don't know anybody who's had an adverse event to other vaccinations.

02:36:17.000 No, I don't either.

02:36:19.000 But I know a handful of people that have had really horrible adverse effects from the COVID vaccination, and long-lasting.

02:36:27.000 One of my friends is a lifeguard, and he got the first shot, and his heart immediately started racing like crazy, thought he was having a heart attack.

02:36:35.000 And that lasted for a very long time, and he was scheduled to get his second shot.

02:36:40.000 And he had to.

02:36:42.000 It was mandated in Hawaii for all the lifeguards, all the firefighters, all this stuff.

02:36:48.000 And...

02:36:49.000 He ended up...

02:36:50.000 He was terrified to get the second shot.

02:36:52.000 He thought he was going to die.

02:36:52.000 Because the first shot, it was...

02:36:54.000 It just kept happening.

02:36:55.000 Like, his heart just was going crazy for so long.

02:36:57.000 Yeah.

02:36:58.000 He was terrified.

02:36:59.000 It was really scary.

02:37:00.000 Did he get the second shot?

02:37:01.000 I think he did get the second shot.

02:37:02.000 How did he deal with it?

02:37:03.000 I think he's...

02:37:05.000 I mean, this guy is like... 0.96

02:37:07.000 I hate him. 0.99

02:37:08.000 He's ripped, dreamboat. 0.99

02:37:10.000 He's one of those guys, like just super crazy healthy, young.

02:37:14.000 I mean, he would be totally, I mean, almost guaranteed he'd be totally fine getting COVID. Well, he would be totally fine with the proper treatment.

02:37:24.000 I'm not advocating that everybody would be fine with no treatment.

02:37:28.000 What I am saying is with monoclonal antibodies, I think most people would be fine.

02:37:34.000 And if you talk to Dr. Peter McCullough, he says there's not a shortage of monoclonal antibodies.

02:37:38.000 What they have done is they made a concerted effort to make them very difficult to get because they want to encourage one thing, one singular thing, and that thing is vaccination.

02:37:47.000 And that's the thing that they're most profitable.

02:37:49.000 Nobody knows how to get monoclonal antibodies.

02:37:52.000 I mean, very few people.

02:37:54.000 A lot of people know now.

02:37:57.000 More people should know and should be more accessible.

02:37:59.000 In Hawaii, I have no idea how to get them.

02:38:00.000 You know what they've done in Texas?

02:38:01.000 You know what they're crazy?

02:38:02.000 A friend of mine went, and he's a white guy, and he went and they told him that they couldn't give it to him because of his age and his body mass because he's white, but if he was Hispanic or black, they would be able to give it to him. 0.92

02:38:17.000 That's so messed up.

02:38:18.000 And he went, what? 0.99

02:38:20.000 That's because our country is white supremacist. 0.94

02:38:23.000 Wait, what?

02:38:24.000 He said, if I looked exactly like my body now, but I had more melanin.

02:38:30.000 That's crazy.

02:38:31.000 Because of your skin tone. 0.95

02:38:32.000 Because you'd be in an at-risk group. 0.54

02:38:36.000 You're not in an at-risk group because you're a white guy.

02:38:41.000 And she goes, I'm so sorry.

02:38:43.000 I have no say in this.

02:38:44.000 That's seriously messed up.

02:38:45.000 And he was laughing.

02:38:46.000 He's like, wow, this is crazy.

02:38:49.000 That makes zero sense.

02:38:50.000 No, it doesn't make any sense.

02:38:52.000 Yeah, it's a strange thing that we have going on in this country.

02:38:56.000 And it happened very quickly.

02:38:58.000 It's almost like if you woke up, if you were Rip Van Winkle, you know, and you maybe, let's say you got hit over the head in 2019 in September, and you went into a coma, and you woke up now, you'd be like, what?

02:39:14.000 You wouldn't even believe it.

02:39:15.000 What is happening?

02:39:15.000 It's a strange, strange world.

02:39:17.000 It's like a long, long episode of Black Mirror.

02:39:19.000 Fact check.

02:39:20.000 No policy denies white people antibody treatment, Texas Health Department says.

02:39:25.000 There's a video of it.

02:39:26.000 I know, and the video says that...

02:39:28.000 So they talk about the video in this, and then they reached out to the Texas Health Department Yeah, but they absolutely did to this guy, I know.

02:39:36.000 Like, people are definitely doing that.

02:39:38.000 That doesn't mean it's a policy. 1.00

02:39:40.000 It means that person is an asshole, maybe. 1.00

02:39:42.000 Oh, I don't think so. 1.00

02:39:43.000 You mean the person at the clinic is an asshole? 1.00

02:39:45.000 Like the nurse, whoever said that they couldn't do it. 1.00

02:39:47.000 But she was saying she was sorry.

02:39:49.000 This was the way that they had to do it.

02:39:53.000 Well, I don't know. 1.00

02:39:54.000 I mean, this might be covering up for some fucking horse shit. 0.99

02:39:57.000 Or it's not, but... 0.99

02:39:59.000 It's hard to say.

02:40:00.000 Pretty sure the fact checks is not exactly what we are told that fact checking is supposed to be like.

02:40:05.000 I have multiple friends that have been denied monoclonal antibodies at this place for being too thin, for being too fit.

02:40:12.000 Like, if you're healthy, they'd say your body mass is too much.

02:40:17.000 You have to, like, lie about your body mass.

02:40:19.000 You'd have to lie about your body fat.

02:40:21.000 So it'd be difficult for me to get the monoclonal arteries?

02:40:23.000 Yeah, you're too thin.

02:40:24.000 You're healthy.

02:40:24.000 You'd have to go and say, I have asthma.

02:40:26.000 You'd have to make some stuff up in some places.

02:40:29.000 In Florida, however, they've got it perfect.

02:40:31.000 This is saving people's lives.

02:40:32.000 100%.

02:40:33.000 It should be very easy to get.

02:40:35.000 Dude, there's some shenanigans going on.

02:40:37.000 And what those shenanigans are and why did it happen at that one place where there was a video?

02:40:42.000 Why did it happen to my friend?

02:40:43.000 Why did it happen to other friends who they've said that they're too healthy and too fit?

02:40:47.000 I don't know.

02:40:48.000 I know one guy who went to this place and they got him in there and then they said, no, we can't give it to you because your body mass is too low.

02:40:56.000 And then my friend Tim, who's overweight, went to the same place and he got him easy.

02:41:00.000 But he's overweight.

02:41:02.000 But meanwhile, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, there's millions and millions of available treatments, these monoclonal antibodies.

02:41:12.000 There's not a shortage of them.

02:41:13.000 He's like, there's a shitload of that stuff, and they ordered a lot of it, and you can get it, and it's not hard to make.

02:41:18.000 I'm like, is there a limited supply?

02:41:20.000 He's like, absolutely not.

02:41:21.000 I'm like, really?

02:41:22.000 He goes, no, this is about encouraging people to get vaccinated.

02:41:26.000 And that's it.

02:41:27.000 Yeah.

02:41:27.000 And it's working.

02:41:28.000 Yeah.

02:41:29.000 But the thing is, when has there ever been just one single approved treatment for any disease?

02:41:37.000 When you know that there's other treatments that are available.

02:41:39.000 You know that it's possible.

02:41:41.000 This was never thought of that there was a thing that you could just do and you could get really much better, much quicker than if you didn't do anything.

02:41:49.000 That was never the case before when we were talking about COVID. It was if you got sick, you were kind of fucked and hopefully you made it and maybe you needed to get on a ventilator. 0.93

02:41:57.000 And then eventually it became like, what treatments are available? 0.98

02:42:00.000 What is available?

02:42:01.000 But if there was something like from the jump, like when COVID broke in March of 2020, when they locked down the country, if there was monoclonal antibodies widely distributed back then, and anytime someone's sick, they can go to a place, get shot monoclonal antibodies, and you're good to go.

02:42:15.000 Not only are you good to go, but you have antibodies now, and you're never going to catch it again.

02:42:19.000 Or if you do catch it again, it's highly unlikely.

02:42:22.000 That was the one thing that Peter McCullough said that I was really...

02:42:26.000 I didn't necessarily believe.

02:42:29.000 And he was saying that if you have COVID once, you can't catch it again.

02:42:33.000 And I was like, God, I think I know people that have caught it more than once.

02:42:37.000 I've heard of people that have caught it more than once.

02:42:39.000 And he goes, no.

02:42:40.000 He said they probably had the flu or something else and they had a negative or a false positive.

02:42:48.000 I'm like, hmm.

02:42:49.000 I don't know about that.

02:42:51.000 I don't know.

02:42:51.000 I don't know if that's...

02:42:52.000 I feel like this disease is too young for someone to say you can't get it twice. 0.96

02:42:58.000 Because if you got COVID in March of 2020, and then here we are heading into January of 2022, who the fuck is to say that in 2024 you can't get it? 0.94

02:43:10.000 Or 2025? 0.64

02:43:11.000 Maybe immunity is not that robust.

02:43:14.000 Maybe it's great for a couple of years and it dies off.

02:43:16.000 We don't know.

02:43:17.000 We know very little.

02:43:18.000 We know about SARS, the original SARS, that some people have antibodies 18 years later.

02:43:24.000 But what about some people don't?

02:43:25.000 That's crazy, right?

02:43:26.000 We don't know.

02:43:27.000 How long it can last.

02:43:28.000 Yeah, for that.

02:43:29.000 But that's with most things, right?

02:43:31.000 Like if you get chicken pox, you never get it again.

02:43:33.000 That's how it normally is.

02:43:35.000 And that's why there's vaccines, like normal vaccines, that when you get that vaccine, you never get that disease.

02:43:43.000 And I think they're trying to come up with one of those for COVID. I think there's one coming out that's going to be like an inert form of the virus.

02:43:52.000 And that's probably going to encourage a lot more people to get vaccinated because it doesn't seem so weird like an mRNA vaccine.

02:43:58.000 Well, it's kind of weird that they changed the definition of a vaccine, right?

02:44:01.000 Right.

02:44:02.000 It's gene therapy.

02:44:03.000 Yeah.

02:44:04.000 That's pretty fishy.

02:44:05.000 Think about how fishy that is.

02:44:07.000 It's funky.

02:44:08.000 There's another thing.

02:44:09.000 With an anti-vaxxer, the definition includes someone who's against mandates.

02:44:14.000 Oh.

02:44:15.000 That's what it says.

02:44:16.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

02:44:17.000 That's the new definition of anti-vaxxer.

02:44:20.000 If you're against the government telling you that you have to take a shot... 1.00

02:44:25.000 That's bullshit is what that is. 0.98

02:44:26.000 ...that has a very low, like, the amount of time that's been spent considering the safety, the safety profile, like, the amount of time they've been studying what happens to people over the years of taking it, 0.97

02:44:41.000 that's not a lot of data.

02:44:43.000 If you are against a mandate of taking that, you're an anti-vaxxer.

02:44:48.000 Even with the monoclonal antibodies.

02:44:50.000 Even knowing that there's treatments out there that 100% fix your work.

02:44:54.000 That work, yeah. 0.99

02:44:54.000 Yeah, they fucking work. 0.99

02:44:55.000 They want to be in denial of it. 1.00

02:44:57.000 They don't want you to have a choice.

02:44:59.000 They want you to have one choice that's get vaccinated.

02:45:01.000 But what if people have told me, oh, well, you've gotten over COVID. Now you should get a shot of the vaccine.

02:45:07.000 You'll be even more protected. 1.00

02:45:08.000 I'm like, bitch, I'm protected. 1.00

02:45:09.000 I'm more protected than you and you haven't gotten COVID. I'm like, I'm more protected. 1.00

02:45:13.000 There's an Israeli study of, I think it was 2.5 million people they did a study on and they found that people who have recovered from COVID have a six to 13 times better chance of not getting COVID again than someone who's been vaccinated.

02:45:27.000 But we never talk about that or hear about it.

02:45:29.000 You don't hear about it.

02:45:30.000 No, they don't want to include that.

02:45:33.000 They want you to get vaccinated.

02:45:35.000 So even if you've already recovered from COVID and you have better antibodies, they still want you to get vaccinated because it's like a cult.

02:45:42.000 Is it the cult of the vaccinated?

02:45:44.000 Well, we talked about this earlier, too.

02:45:46.000 And it's what nobody talks about, you know, it's really difficult to find this information out.

02:45:51.000 But if you've already had COVID, it's actually fairly, it's much more dangerous getting the vaccine.

02:45:57.000 It has a higher likelihood of adverse side effects.

02:46:01.000 And I think it's after having recovered from COVID. Yes, after having recovered from COVID. But if you tell somebody that they think you're spreading misinformation, it's simply not.

02:46:10.000 That is the truth.

02:46:11.000 Yeah.

02:46:12.000 So for people who have already had COVID and recovered and they're totally fine, it's super justifiable that they would be...

02:46:24.000 Have a lot more fear about getting vaccinated, you know?

02:46:27.000 Yes, you should.

02:46:29.000 It doesn't make any sense.

02:46:31.000 It just doesn't make... 0.99

02:46:32.000 It's like everyone's in a fucking tizzy. 0.97

02:46:34.000 You're supposed to trust the science, but not that science. 0.99

02:46:37.000 Not that science.

02:46:38.000 Not that science.

02:46:39.000 That's a tricky science.

02:46:40.000 Yeah.

02:46:41.000 That is... 0.99

02:46:43.000 Yeah, it's fucked up. 0.99

02:46:43.000 Well, there's also when people get vaccinated, they want you to get vaccinated too. 0.99

02:46:48.000 I did it.

02:46:49.000 I took my shot.

02:46:51.000 I took one for the team.

02:46:52.000 You know, I did the thing that you're supposed to do and you're not doing the thing you're supposed to do.

02:46:57.000 There's that.

02:46:58.000 They want you to do it.

02:46:58.000 You should do it.

02:46:59.000 You should get vaccinated.

02:47:00.000 Like a tribal mentality, right?

02:47:02.000 Yeah.

02:47:03.000 And if you do get, like, really sick, like, God, you're only sick for a few days.

02:47:07.000 God, what are you worried about?

02:47:09.000 Like, I don't know, man.

02:47:09.000 My heart's racing fast.

02:47:11.000 You're fine.

02:47:12.000 Maybe you're just out of shape.

02:47:14.000 You're fine.

02:47:14.000 It's mild myocarditis.

02:47:17.000 We don't even know.

02:47:18.000 It's like this is the one time ever in our lives where we're supposed to trust the pharmaceutical companies.

02:47:24.000 All of our lives! 0.99

02:47:26.000 The pharmaceutical companies are a bunch of money-hungry monsters who don't give a fuck about you and they're just concerned about making profits. 0.99

02:47:35.000 Which is a fact. 0.99

02:47:36.000 That was then.

02:47:36.000 And they've been in trouble with the law for decades.

02:47:38.000 That was then.

02:47:39.000 Yeah.

02:47:40.000 That was not during the pandemic.

02:47:41.000 Now we're supposed to not ask any questions and be involved without...

02:47:43.000 Yeah.

02:47:44.000 And you're not supposed to promote healthy lifestyles as an alternative to this.

02:47:48.000 And you're not even supposed to consider the fact that for most people that are fat and unhealthy... 1.00

02:47:54.000 Listen, man, you are fucked no matter what. 1.00

02:47:57.000 You're fucked no matter what. 1.00

02:47:59.000 Because even if you don't get COVID, you're going to have a heart attack, okay? 1.00

02:48:03.000 You're not going to make it anyway.

02:48:05.000 Like, I don't know what you're saying about, you know, like, we're in danger and you're not. 1.00

02:48:11.000 Like, bitch, please. 1.00

02:48:13.000 Bitch, please. 1.00

02:48:14.000 You can't, like, exonerate yourself from decades of being a slob and being a person who has no consideration about their health and about their obesity and about the kind of food they put in their body and their lack of vitamins and exercise. 1.00

02:48:31.000 And all of a sudden, you're health-righteous? 1.00

02:48:34.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:48:37.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:48:38.000 That's been my whole life. 1.00

02:48:40.000 My whole life is about being healthy.

02:48:43.000 I've been healthy forever. 0.99

02:48:45.000 I haven't been sick in 11 fucking years. 0.97

02:48:48.000 I got sick one time, it was with COVID, and it was only for a couple of days. 0.97

02:48:52.000 And you're telling me that you're the one who's doing the right thing and the smart thing, and you're the one who's healthy? 0.99

02:48:59.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

02:49:01.000 That's straight nonsense. 1.00

02:49:03.000 And you've got to confront those people on it. 0.70

02:49:05.000 Because they run around all self-righteous.

02:49:08.000 Like, I got the shot.

02:49:10.000 You're going to be in trouble if you get the COVID. Bitch, you're going to get COVID even after you get the shot. 1.00

02:49:17.000 And they are. 1.00

02:49:18.000 They're getting it like crazy.

02:49:19.000 Like my friend who got boosted. 1.00

02:49:21.000 Fucking boosted. 0.99

02:49:22.000 Double vaccinated, boosted two months ago. 1.00

02:49:25.000 COVID. And crazy sick from COVID. Not only got it, but like crazy sick.

02:49:29.000 Not good. 1.00

02:49:30.000 Feels like shit. 0.98

02:49:30.000 That's really why you're supposed to get the vaccination right is to, is so when you do, if and when you do get COVID, you have a much higher probability to not get really sick. 0.98

02:49:40.000 Well, it points to that study about obesity.

02:49:43.000 Like, it's a real problem.

02:49:44.000 They're not developing the proper antibodies.

02:49:47.000 And they're not going to recover well. 1.00

02:49:49.000 And these poor fucking people. 0.99

02:49:51.000 And they're going to have to probably get on monoclonal antibodies anyway. 1.00

02:49:53.000 I hope they do.

02:49:54.000 If they listen to this and they know.

02:49:56.000 Because if you get admitted to the hospital, by the way, they don't give you monoclonal antibodies once you get into the hospital.

02:50:01.000 They'll only do it before you're admitted.

02:50:04.000 I mean, that was another thing that Peter McCullough was discussing.

02:50:06.000 He did not want to go to the hospital for this.

02:50:08.000 Yeah, that's not good, man.

02:50:10.000 Or if you do, you want to go to a really good hospital. 0.95

02:50:12.000 It's fucking tricky. 0.97

02:50:13.000 But folks, please, just go take care of yourself. 1.00

02:50:16.000 Please.

02:50:16.000 Go walk around.

02:50:18.000 Get together with your friends.

02:50:19.000 Make a pact. 0.98

02:50:20.000 You got some fat friends? 0.96

02:50:21.000 Get together. 0.99

02:50:22.000 And it is a fat friend. 1.00

02:50:23.000 Okay, stop all this body positivity shit. 1.00

02:50:26.000 It is what it is. 0.99

02:50:27.000 Yeah, just take care of yourselves.

02:50:29.000 Just make a pact.

02:50:30.000 Make a contest with your friends. 0.99

02:50:31.000 Let's see who can do the most fucking body weight, squats, push-ups, sit-ups, and who loses the most weight at the end of X amount of time and put a fucking pool together. 0.98

02:50:43.000 Like, everybody throwing a hundred bucks. 0.98

02:50:45.000 And, you know, one guy gets to win all the money.

02:50:48.000 And then you take photos for Instagram.

02:50:50.000 Motivate yourself.

02:50:51.000 And bragging rights, yeah.

02:50:51.000 Let's get healthy.

02:50:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:50:54.000 Yeah, you fucks. 1.00

02:50:55.000 Seriously. 1.00

02:50:56.000 Yeah, you fucks. 1.00

02:50:57.000 I like that. 1.00

02:50:57.000 I like that idea. 1.00

02:50:58.000 How much of your diet is, like, wild game?

02:51:03.000 Um, you know, a lot, well, it's kind of, um, I, I, I consistently eat wild game.

02:51:11.000 I'd say for four days a week, I probably eat wild game.

02:51:15.000 And my, my, my, my wife loves it too.

02:51:17.000 My, both my kids love it.

02:51:19.000 Um, I pretty much only hunt deer and elk at this point.

02:51:23.000 And I kill a lot of deer in Hawaii.

02:51:25.000 I'm super lucky. 0.99

02:51:26.000 You can kill as many as you want with your bow.

02:51:27.000 Um, so this year I think I killed 13 deer. 0.64

02:51:30.000 Whoa.

02:51:31.000 Yeah.

02:51:32.000 Dude, you must be eating nothing.

02:51:34.000 That's a lot of meat. 0.81

02:51:35.000 That's a lot of meat. 0.81

02:51:37.000 But I love to share them.

02:51:38.000 Yeah, that's nice too, isn't it?

02:51:39.000 It's different in Hawaii, right?

02:51:40.000 Because, you know, here in California, or you go to Utah, you go to Colorado, you go to Montana, you get your one deer tag, and you go and kill your deer, and that's your deer for the year.

02:51:51.000 Which is awesome, but it's based on like the population levels of the game.

02:51:56.000 In Hawaii, if a deer is on your property, that's your deer, you can kill it.

02:52:00.000 And there's no, we don't have any mountain lions, we don't have any wolves, we don't have any bears, we don't have, there's nothing killing these There's a need to control the population.

02:52:09.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 So, you know, you're encouraged to kill as many as you possibly can.

02:52:12.000 So, it's awesome and delicious.

02:52:14.000 And so, to answer your question, I probably eat venison axis deer four days a week.

02:52:22.000 It's so good for you too.

02:52:23.000 For dinner.

02:52:23.000 My god.

02:52:24.000 It's amazingly good and delicious and just feels so good.

02:52:29.000 But I eat small portions.

02:52:30.000 I probably eat, just in general, I eat smaller than my palm.

02:52:34.000 Okay, so like four ounces, something like that.

02:52:36.000 Yeah.

02:52:37.000 So I consistently eat meat, but it's usually pretty small.

02:52:40.000 But if you look at a small four-ounce portion of that in comparison to a four-ounce portion of, say, domestic beef, the protein content is so much higher.

02:52:49.000 I mean, it's double.

02:52:50.000 Much more nutrient-dense, too.

02:52:52.000 So you get, I mean, I feel like you feel a lot different afterwards.

02:52:55.000 Yeah.

02:52:56.000 No, I definitely think so.

02:52:57.000 It feels amazing.

02:52:58.000 I definitely think that the amount of wild game that I have, that I've eaten, over the last few years has contributed to my vitality.

02:53:05.000 It just has to have.

02:53:07.000 It just doesn't make sense.

02:53:08.000 I think that's one of the choices that I've made in my life that has made the biggest health difference is Is eating more wild game in combination with healthy foods.

02:53:18.000 And then this was one of my New Year's resolutions, like I think the year before last, is eating one meal out of my blender each day.

02:53:28.000 Out of your blender?

02:53:29.000 Yeah.

02:53:30.000 Really?

02:53:31.000 Yeah.

02:53:31.000 What do you put in there?

02:53:32.000 That was from Kelly Slater.

02:53:34.000 He's a super health fanatic and does tons of research about his health.

02:53:42.000 But he eats a lot of his meals out of blenders. 1.00

02:53:45.000 And so that was one of my things I wanted to implement into my routine.

02:53:48.000 For digestion purposes?

02:53:50.000 Yeah, just for overall health.

02:53:51.000 Okay, when you say out of your blender, what are you putting in there?

02:53:54.000 Fruits, vegetables, fats.

02:53:57.000 Just in general, like say I'm going to make a smoothie basically essentially for lunch almost every day.

02:54:02.000 And I'll put bananas, frozen raspberries, frozen strawberries, acai.

02:54:10.000 You know acai.

02:54:12.000 I'll put in macadamia nut oil.

02:54:15.000 I'll put in almond butter.

02:54:18.000 And I'll put in like these...

02:54:22.000 Like a pulverized greens.

02:54:24.000 I forget what it's called off the top of my head, but essentially it's like this greens powder that's like allergies.

02:54:29.000 Athletic greens?

02:54:29.000 Yeah, like that.

02:54:30.000 Like algaes and grasses and stuff like that.

02:54:33.000 And so it's a bunch of greens in there, fats and vegetables, and it's good.

02:54:38.000 And some protein powder.

02:54:40.000 Are you supplementing with vitamins or anything as well?

02:54:43.000 Yeah.

02:54:44.000 Yeah?

02:54:44.000 What kind of stuff do you take?

02:54:45.000 I take stuff that my wife gives me.

02:54:48.000 That's good.

02:54:49.000 But I normally take...

02:54:50.000 I really like that Garden of Eden.

02:54:54.000 They make a lot of really good stuff.

02:54:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:55.000 They do.

02:54:56.000 But I basically take...

02:54:58.000 Like these days, I take a lot of vitamin C. I probably take, I think, like 3,000 milligrams of vitamin C. I take a lot of vitamin D, zinc, quercetin.

02:55:08.000 Is that how you pronounce that?

02:55:09.000 Yeah.

02:55:10.000 Quercetin.

02:55:10.000 Yeah.

02:55:11.000 I take...

02:55:16.000 What is the root?

02:55:17.000 I'm drawing a blank.

02:55:18.000 Curcumin?

02:55:19.000 No.

02:55:20.000 Not ginger. 0.99

02:55:22.000 Turmeric?

02:55:23.000 Yeah.

02:55:24.000 Turmeric.

02:55:24.000 Turmeric and curcumin I think is the same thing.

02:55:28.000 And I think how your body processes quercetin and maybe even zinc is really similar to turmeric.

02:55:37.000 Well, I think what quercetin and turmeric, what they have in common is that I think they're both ionophores.

02:55:43.000 That's right.

02:55:44.000 Who's the same thing?

02:55:46.000 Turmeric and curcumin.

02:55:47.000 Yeah.

02:55:48.000 Anyway, yeah.

02:55:49.000 So I take a lot of that stuff.

02:55:50.000 The girl who did what? 0.56

02:55:50.000 Who's the girl? 0.56

02:55:51.000 The girl who did our nasal swabs today.

02:55:53.000 Oh, Mercy? 0.99

02:55:54.000 Yeah, Mercy. 0.98

02:55:54.000 She was explaining that. 0.98

02:55:56.000 Oh, okay.

02:55:56.000 Yeah.

02:55:57.000 Yeah.

02:55:58.000 I mean, I take a lot of vitamins every day.

02:56:01.000 That's misinformation.

02:56:02.000 Curcumin is a substance in turmeric.

02:56:04.000 Ah, there you go.

02:56:05.000 Alright, now we know.

02:56:06.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:56:07.000 So curcumin is like the active part of it, is that what it is?

02:56:13.000 Turmeric is a common spice.

02:56:14.000 It comes from the curcuma lungo.

02:56:15.000 Have you had any of this turmeric coffee from Laird?

02:56:20.000 I have, yeah.

02:56:21.000 Laird Hamilton?

02:56:21.000 We had a machine back there.

02:56:23.000 It's good stuff.

02:56:23.000 Yeah, oh my god, it makes me addicted.

02:56:25.000 I'm addicted to that coffee.

02:56:27.000 And the creamer is so good. 0.99

02:56:28.000 Yeah, it's fucking great, man. 0.99

02:56:29.000 It's good stuff. 0.97

02:56:30.000 And it's all really good for you.

02:56:31.000 Super healthy.

02:56:31.000 It is.

02:56:32.000 I love turmeric, and you know what I really love?

02:56:34.000 CBD. Do you fuck with CBD at all? 0.99

02:56:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:56:37.000 I'd take a lot of that shit. 1.00

02:56:38.000 I had a CBD massage yesterday. 1.00

02:56:41.000 I'm here at Austin on our 20th wedding anniversary.

02:56:44.000 So my wife and I are not only getting stem cells in my knee and doing Joe's podcast, but we're also celebrating and having a good time.

02:56:52.000 That's nice.

02:56:53.000 Multitasking.

02:56:54.000 So we did CBD massage yesterday.

02:56:56.000 So it's like CBD oil.

02:56:57.000 Well, that makes sense, because I use CBD... I'm a big fan of...

02:57:01.000 CBDMD has a bunch of great stuff, and one of the things they have is these rollers.

02:57:06.000 It's like a roll-on for CBD freeze and CBD recover.

02:57:11.000 If I have a sore muscle, I'll just get that roll-on right into the muscle and massage it in. 1.00

02:57:16.000 But for me, oral CBD is like drops, the shit, and gummies, the shit. 1.00

02:57:22.000 It's so good. 1.00

02:57:23.000 Because, like, I'm always, like, after I hit the bag, I'm always, like, my toes are sore just from, like, kicking and, like, pushing off the ground and stuff.

02:57:32.000 And just everything, aches and pains.

02:57:35.000 And, God, CBD is so good for that.

02:57:37.000 Do you use it to help you sleep?

02:57:38.000 Like the gummies or whatever?

02:57:39.000 I sleep like a brick, man.

02:57:41.000 Yeah, me too.

02:57:41.000 I don't have any sleeping issues.

02:57:43.000 That is a major...

02:57:44.000 Man, I feel so bad for people who have sleeping issues.

02:57:47.000 My wife has.

02:57:49.000 But she only has them when the kids are in school.

02:57:53.000 She's very responsible, so she has to think about things.

02:57:58.000 I'm irresponsible.

02:58:00.000 Luckily, my job is...

02:58:03.000 You know, you love surfing.

02:58:06.000 I love comedy.

02:58:07.000 I love it. 0.99

02:58:08.000 I never think, oh, I have to do comedy shit. 0.99

02:58:10.000 I love it. 0.99

02:58:11.000 It's fun.

02:58:11.000 And you love MMA? I love the UFC. When I show up for a UFC fight, when the fight starts, when the card starts, I'm never thinking, God, I wish I was somewhere else.

02:58:21.000 I'm always like, wow, I can't believe this is my job.

02:58:23.000 I always think that.

02:58:23.000 That's like me and surfing.

02:58:25.000 I don't see it as a job at all.

02:58:26.000 And even podcasting.

02:58:27.000 I love podcasts. 0.98

02:58:28.000 I fucking talk to you. 0.99

02:58:29.000 You and I could just sit down anywhere and talk. 1.00

02:58:31.000 Yeah.

02:58:32.000 So the fact that we're sitting down and people are listening, great.

02:58:34.000 I love it.

02:58:35.000 It's crazy that we somehow found something that we absolutely love to do and somehow it...

02:58:39.000 We're both very lucky.

02:58:41.000 We're both very, very lucky.

02:58:42.000 And I think one beautiful thing about having a podcast like this is that people get to hear that there are fortunate people out there that have figured out a thing that they love so much that they want to do it all the time.

02:58:54.000 And then those people need to know that you can find something like that too.

02:58:58.000 Whether it's writing books, maybe it's being a carpenter, whatever it is.

02:59:04.000 What is the thing that you love? 0.96

02:59:05.000 There's got to be a thing you love where when you go to work, you enjoy the shit out of it. 0.97

02:59:09.000 That's real life. 0.96

02:59:11.000 Because if you could do that, man, it's so much better.

02:59:14.000 And no matter what they have you believe, there's more people doing that Than ever right now.

02:59:20.000 I think so, because of the pandemic, a lot of people woke up and realized, like, hey, this could all be taken away from me at any point.

02:59:26.000 I should go for it. 0.94

02:59:27.000 Whatever the fuck I want to do, I really want to do, I should go for it.

02:59:30.000 And a lot of the tools that are in place to enable you to do that weren't in place a long time ago with, like, modern technology and, like, internet and stuff like that.

02:59:37.000 Like, only fans.

02:59:38.000 Like, there's a lot of girls being hoes that didn't have a chance. 1.00

02:59:41.000 Spreading that passion.

02:59:43.000 I love the fact that girls are making so much money. 1.00

02:59:45.000 I found a girl yesterday that's making $50,000 a week selling her farts. 1.00

02:59:51.000 Jamie, did I send that to you? 0.98

02:59:52.000 What the hell?

02:59:53.000 Did I send it to you? 0.97

02:59:54.000 Alright, we need to get down to the bottom of this.

02:59:57.000 New York Post, here we go.

02:59:58.000 I'm going to send this to you right now, Jamie.

03:00:00.000 I'm sending you lots today.

03:00:02.000 I got it, I got it, I got it.

03:00:03.000 Here it is.

03:00:03.000 Reality TV star says she makes $50,000 a week selling her farts.

03:00:08.000 She fart in a jar and sending it to people? 1.00

03:00:10.000 I sent you better, because I sent you a picture of the gal. 0.96

03:00:13.000 The difference is, she's so hot, you would want her farts. 1.00

03:00:16.000 Dude, I feel like this studio would really, really benefit from a jar of this chick's farts. 1.00

03:00:22.000 How much do you think she charges for a jar of farts? 0.99

03:00:24.000 There's only one way to find out.

03:00:26.000 And open it.

03:00:26.000 Not open it?

03:00:27.000 No, open it.

03:00:28.000 No, open it.

03:00:29.000 You've got to sniff that fart like the salt, like the ammonium.

03:00:32.000 Right.

03:00:33.000 What we should do is buy it and throw a match in there and see if it's real.

03:00:37.000 Dude.

03:00:37.000 So pull up.

03:00:38.000 Look at her.

03:00:39.000 So this lady's very pretty. 1.00

03:00:42.000 See? 0.90

03:00:43.000 So her farts would be worth something. 0.82

03:00:46.000 Wow. 0.94

03:00:48.000 She's... 1.00

03:00:48.000 Wow. 1.00

03:00:49.000 But here's the thing.

03:00:51.000 The only way you would know that she really farted in that jar is, like, you gotta have a video.

03:00:55.000 Okay, NFT of it.

03:00:56.000 NFT video.

03:00:58.000 Yeah.

03:00:58.000 Boom.

03:00:59.000 But then she could fake it and pretend that this is the one.

03:01:01.000 You'd have to see, like, Chain of Command.

03:01:05.000 Like, hold the jar, a full video, and watch her write your name on the package, boom, and seal it up with, like, packing tape, and then hold it up to the camera, and you're like, we're good.

03:01:18.000 With a notary public on site as a witness?

03:01:21.000 What is she saying?

03:01:22.000 Let me see this.

03:01:23.000 Let me see some volume.

03:01:25.000 Wow!

03:01:26.000 Okay, for real, who are these people that are buying this?

03:01:28.000 I need to know.

03:01:29.000 Creeps?

03:01:29.000 Like me?

03:01:31.000 Well, for you, it wouldn't even be creepy.

03:01:33.000 It'd just be an awesome art piece.

03:01:34.000 I hear you.

03:01:37.000 People judging me for selling my jarred farts.

03:01:40.000 Goals.

03:01:40.000 Look at the comment.

03:01:41.000 Goals.

03:01:44.000 People...

03:01:44.000 Oh, yeah.

03:01:46.000 Well...

03:01:47.000 I don't mind.

03:01:48.000 As long as I get paid.

03:01:50.000 Oh, I think she's lip syncing something.

03:01:52.000 Yeah, 100%.

03:01:53.000 She's a TikTok star.

03:01:55.000 So there it is.

03:01:57.000 I made $45,000 in one week selling my jars of farts.

03:02:01.000 And ever since my last TikTok went viral, I've been getting a lot of questions such as how long do the farts last?

03:02:07.000 Did I really fart 97 times in two days?

03:02:10.000 Who buys my farts and why?

03:02:12.000 And what are some of my tips and tricks?

03:02:17.000 Wow!

03:02:18.000 So the first question I get asked a lot is, how long do the farts last?

03:02:23.000 And the smell is most prominent for the first two days, but as I like to say, one with makes memories that last a lifetime.

03:02:30.000 Now, why do people buy my farts in a jar?

03:02:34.000 Hey, this is what I'm talking about.

03:02:36.000 This job did not exist five years ago.

03:02:39.000 It's so much money.

03:02:41.000 Yeah.

03:02:41.000 What are some of my selling tips and tricks?

03:02:44.000 Number one, don't eat fiber one bars.

03:02:47.000 You might think it's the easy way out, but there is nothing easy about it on its way out.

03:02:52.000 You know what I mean?

03:02:54.000 Don't push yourself too hard.

03:02:56.000 Literally.

03:02:57.000 I made...

03:02:58.000 Probably continued in another video.

03:02:59.000 Fart tips and tricks.

03:03:01.000 Yeah.

03:03:01.000 That's what I'm saying though.

03:03:02.000 Modern technology, innovation, you know?

03:03:05.000 You know, there's out there, there's a girl that's probably a hater. 1.00

03:03:07.000 It's like, that bitch isn't even farting in those jars. 1.00

03:03:09.000 Those are empty jars. 1.00

03:03:10.000 She needs to go to jail. 1.00

03:03:11.000 She's a scam artist. 1.00

03:03:12.000 Do you have any male friends that are on OnlyFans?

03:03:14.000 No.

03:03:15.000 I do.

03:03:15.000 Do you?

03:03:16.000 Yeah.

03:03:16.000 What are they doing on there?

03:03:17.000 Shout out to my boy, Nathan Florence.

03:03:19.000 Is he showing his heart?

03:03:21.000 I don't know.

03:03:22.000 Nathan, what are you doing on OnlyFans, buddy?

03:03:24.000 He's selling farts in a jar.

03:03:25.000 No, he isn't, but he may be after this podcast.

03:03:28.000 Can you find out how much a fart costs?

03:03:30.000 I was looking.

03:03:30.000 So I'm on our website.

03:03:31.000 It doesn't say, which I thought would be...

03:03:34.000 Interesting.

03:03:34.000 I'm also wondering, like, did she just do this once?

03:03:37.000 One guy paid her $45,000?

03:03:40.000 Right.

03:03:40.000 She said she did it 97 times, but I could have been one guy buying it.

03:03:42.000 $50,000 a week.

03:03:43.000 I feel like there's not that much of a demand for jarred farts.

03:03:49.000 I don't think you're correct.

03:03:50.000 I'd review it for her if she wants to send one, but...

03:03:53.000 There's that many weird creeps?

03:03:54.000 You're so nice.

03:03:55.000 Jamie's so nice.

03:03:56.000 He would review her farts. 0.96

03:03:57.000 Meanwhile, her boyfriend's gonna fart in a jar. 1.00

03:03:59.000 Yeah, send this to fucking young Jamie. 0.99

03:04:01.000 Well, if it started as a business, for sure, you start hiring little kids to fart in a jar. 1.00

03:04:05.000 Some horrible guy's burrito fart, and you gotta be like, oh, I'm gonna jerk off smelling her farts. 1.00

03:04:12.000 Yeah, there's no link to buy the farts. 0.99

03:04:14.000 I wonder if she's selling them.

03:04:15.000 I feel like she's a marketing genius, this girl.

03:04:18.000 I feel like she just pulled the wool for the first week, saying that she was jarring her farts and she was killing it.

03:04:24.000 And after that, people just were interested in how I am right now, that I want to buy you that as a gift.

03:04:29.000 A jar of farts?

03:04:30.000 That would be so sweet.

03:04:31.000 I don't know if anyone's creepy enough to actually do that in a creepy way, more like a fun art piece and kind of like a conversation starter.

03:04:38.000 Right.

03:04:39.000 Yeah.

03:04:39.000 She should have like a special jar so you know it came from her.

03:04:44.000 Get some jars made.

03:04:45.000 Don't just use a regular mation jar.

03:04:47.000 You know what she should do?

03:04:49.000 She should have a jar where like Aladdin's genie jar with like the lip. 1.00

03:04:55.000 Like people's box. 1.00

03:04:57.000 That box you had with all the lights and everything, you open it up, you get a thing that's going to make you shit. 1.00

03:05:01.000 You're going to shit your pants when you open this box. 0.99

03:05:02.000 That would be nice. 0.98

03:05:03.000 But what I was thinking of type of jar that you could fart in, where you could really seal it in there good.

03:05:08.000 So have a small opening, like a vase, right? 0.99

03:05:13.000 So in the bottom, it swells out like a tulip or some shit. 0.97

03:05:17.000 It's pressurized, like how you pressurize wine. 1.00

03:05:19.000 Just put it right up to your asshole. 1.00

03:05:20.000 So it covers the whole asshole and you blow into it. 1.00

03:05:24.000 Boom! 1.00

03:05:24.000 And then put a thumb over the top quickly, stuff a cork in there, seal it up. 1.00

03:05:29.000 Dude, our society's officially getting way weird. 1.00

03:05:34.000 I had a girl on the podcast a long time ago that told me that guys would pay her for her shit. 1.00

03:05:40.000 She would shit in Tupperware and send it to guys. 0.99

03:05:46.000 Who comes up with this idea? 1.00

03:05:48.000 Sick dudes. 0.97

03:05:49.000 It's definitely guys. 1.00

03:05:50.000 It's not a girl going, hey, you want to buy my shit? 1.00

03:05:52.000 $100. 1.00

03:05:53.000 She calls $100?

03:05:54.000 They were $100.

03:05:54.000 There was a temporary.

03:05:55.000 She was like a sale she was doing.

03:05:57.000 Is that for the jarred farts?

03:05:58.000 Yeah.

03:05:58.000 The sale was $100?

03:05:59.000 $100 a jarred fart?

03:06:00.000 Yeah, it's like a...

03:06:00.000 That's a sale?

03:06:01.000 Is that like a Black Friday sale?

03:06:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:06:03.000 Order fart jars here.

03:06:05.000 I completely miss the Black Friday sale of this.

03:06:07.000 It's running a special on Parchers.

03:06:09.000 All right.

03:06:09.000 I think this is a perfect way to end this podcast.

03:06:11.000 We're three hours in.

03:06:13.000 Are we really?

03:06:14.000 Jeez.

03:06:14.000 Yeah.

03:06:14.000 Dude, it's fucking 416 already.

03:06:15.000 I got to piss really bad. 0.99

03:06:16.000 Well, perfect time. 0.80

03:06:17.000 Maybe I should put it in a jar and sell it.

03:06:19.000 Whatever your name is.

03:06:20.000 What's her name?

03:06:21.000 What's her name?

03:06:23.000 Stepanka.

03:06:23.000 Stepanka?

03:06:24.000 Congratulations, Stepanka.

03:06:25.000 Stepanka, I have three letters for you.

03:06:27.000 NFT. I salute your hustle.

03:06:30.000 Verify the authenticity.

03:06:31.000 Shane Dorian.

03:06:32.000 That was fun, man.

03:06:33.000 That was fun.

03:06:33.000 Always fun.

03:06:34.000 Always great to see you, my brother.

03:06:35.000 Thank you.

03:06:35.000 All right.

03:06:36.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 21, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1749 - Shane Dorian

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