The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1748 - Beeple

00:00:12.000 Hello Mike.

00:00:13.000 Hey, how's it going?

00:00:14.000 You look exactly how I thought you were gonna look.

00:00:18.000 Isn't that perfect?

00:00:19.000 How is that?

00:00:21.000 Good.

00:00:21.000 You look like an eccentric, fun art guy.

00:00:27.000 An eccentric, fun art guy.

00:00:29.000 All those things are positive.

00:00:31.000 It's all positive.

00:00:32.000 It's all positive.

00:00:33.000 That's actually pretty accurate right now, I guess.

00:00:36.000 Yeah.

00:00:36.000 You're an eccentric, fun art guy.

00:00:40.000 And I brought you in here for one specific reason.

00:00:42.000 Two reasons.

00:00:43.000 One, because I think you're really talented and I enjoy your stuff.

00:00:45.000 Thank you.

00:00:45.000 Two, because I want you to explain NFTs to me.

00:00:47.000 Okay.

00:00:49.000 Jamie's tried.

00:00:50.000 Everyone's tried.

00:00:50.000 I've tried multiple times.

00:00:51.000 And you are probably the most famous NFT guy right now, in terms of your success with NFTs.

00:00:59.000 Your NFTs, what did you sell for an exorbitant amount of money?

00:01:04.000 We did over $100 million this year.

00:01:06.000 $100 million?

00:01:07.000 Over $100 million.

00:01:07.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

00:01:08.000 Not counting, like, secondary sales.

00:01:10.000 Like, just primary sales over $100 million.

00:01:11.000 That's an incredible amount of money.

00:01:12.000 Yeah, it's an incredible amount of money.

00:01:14.000 It's insane.

00:01:15.000 Like, it's...

00:01:15.000 Like, saying that is just...

00:01:17.000 What does that mean?

00:01:18.000 Like, mind-boggling to me.

00:01:19.000 Does that even...

00:01:20.000 I don't know what that means.

00:01:22.000 It's like you're speaking words in French that you don't know the names...

00:01:24.000 Pretty much.

00:01:24.000 You don't know the definitions of?

00:01:26.000 It's...

00:01:28.000 Something that I think is going to take a long time to process because it's so new and it's something that just came out of nowhere.

00:01:35.000 Right.

00:01:35.000 Like again, I did not know of this like a year ago.

00:01:38.000 What does it mean?

00:01:39.000 What does NFT mean?

00:01:40.000 Yeah, what does it mean?

00:01:41.000 I know it's a non-fungible token, but what is that?

00:01:43.000 So it's basically just a proof of sort of like ownership of something.

00:01:47.000 It really can be sort of like applied to like a bunch of different things.

00:01:51.000 And to be quite honest, there's a bunch of ways you could use it.

00:01:53.000 And like, I think it would be very interesting way to sort of like interact with your fans.

00:01:59.000 And I think it will sort of...

00:02:01.000 It's going to permeate a bunch of different sort of like industries, not just art.

00:02:04.000 That's just sort of the beginning of it.

00:02:06.000 I think it's going to be like email.

00:02:07.000 It's going to be like something where you don't get to be like, I don't like it.

00:02:11.000 It's just going to be like you have, it's like part of being on the internet.

00:02:14.000 NF is just going to be part of the internet.

00:02:15.000 Yes.

00:02:16.000 I've thought about doing something.

00:02:17.000 This is my thought.

00:02:18.000 I thought about creating a separate branch of this company and then having that entirely dedicated to charity.

00:02:26.000 Yep.

00:02:27.000 And then just use the NFTs to generate money for charity.

00:02:31.000 100% you could do that.

00:02:32.000 Because it seems like a great way to just generate money for charity.

00:02:35.000 Absolutely you could do that.

00:02:36.000 It seems gross if I generate money for myself at this point in time.

00:02:39.000 But if I just generate just money for charity with that, I think it's a good idea.

00:02:45.000 You could generate a lot of money.

00:02:46.000 Because that's the thing.

00:02:47.000 It's really just a great way to sort of organize people around a common goal.

00:02:51.000 Like, did you see the Constitution DAO thing?

00:02:53.000 No.

00:02:54.000 The Constitution what thing?

00:02:57.000 It's called Constitution DAO. DAO? Like T-A-O? No, D-A-O. DAOs are sort of Decentral Autonomous Organizations.

00:03:07.000 And so that's another sort of thing kind of in this NFT ecosystem.

00:03:11.000 Hold on a second.

00:03:11.000 Did you know about this?

00:03:12.000 Is this a new thing for you?

00:03:13.000 Uh, nope.

00:03:14.000 I've tried to explain this too, once or twice.

00:03:16.000 The Dow thing?

00:03:17.000 I know it gets lost.

00:03:18.000 Did you know the Dow thing?

00:03:19.000 I literally told you this multiple times, Joe. 1.00

00:03:22.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:03:23.000 You never tried to explain a Dow to me, did you? 1.00

00:03:26.000 I wouldn't have started with that.

00:03:29.000 No, no, no.

00:03:30.000 It's definitely...

00:03:31.000 All these things are very new.

00:03:33.000 Literally, this is a term that pretty much came to prominence six months ago, eight months ago.

00:03:39.000 They were around, but not that popular.

00:03:40.000 Now they're becoming very popular.

00:03:42.000 And so what happened is with this constitution now is people organized to buy the constitution.

00:03:47.000 It was up at auction at Sotheby's or Christie's or one of these.

00:03:50.000 What?

00:03:50.000 And it was like $40 million.

00:03:52.000 The actual constitution you could buy?

00:03:53.000 Part of the constitution.

00:03:54.000 Why doesn't Bill Gates have that and just start editing it?

00:03:58.000 Put his own words there.

00:03:59.000 Everyone must be vaccinated.

00:04:00.000 My vaccine.

00:04:01.000 Everyone who just wins those.

00:04:03.000 How does it go to that?

00:04:06.000 It doesn't go to anything.

00:04:08.000 But if you have the Constitution, technically.

00:04:11.000 It was a copy. 1.00

00:04:12.000 Fuck it! 1.00

00:04:13.000 There's like 10, 11 copies. 1.00

00:04:14.000 It was one of them. 0.99

00:04:15.000 Imagine if whoever owns the Constitution gets to write in whatever the fuck he wants. 0.98

00:04:20.000 I think that's what some people might have thought as they were joining us. 0.98

00:04:23.000 Could you imagine?

00:04:24.000 Just added it.

00:04:25.000 Could you imagine if you have your own Constitution?

00:04:27.000 Mike gets to be king.

00:04:29.000 It's tokenized.

00:04:30.000 Yeah.

00:04:30.000 We need it.

00:04:31.000 It's free and legal.

00:04:34.000 So, they basically kind of like pooled all their money together really quickly.

00:04:38.000 They pooled together from like 20,000 people like $40 million and like tried to buy it and they just barely lost out by like, I don't know, $5 million or something.

00:04:46.000 I don't know who bought it.

00:04:48.000 But it was a copy of the Constitution.

00:04:49.000 It was a copy. 1.00

00:04:50.000 It was just like a fucking piece of paper. 1.00

00:04:52.000 It's like a baseball card for the government. 0.99

00:04:54.000 Right, but the copy was generated when?

00:04:57.000 Like 1800 or 1790, whatever.

00:05:01.000 It's just an artifact.

00:05:02.000 It's just literally just like a...

00:05:04.000 Ancient script.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, just kind of like a thing.

00:05:08.000 But sort of...

00:05:09.000 It kind of shows how people can sort of like organize very quickly around sort of like a goal.

00:05:14.000 And so that's where if you had like a DAO for like charity, you could sort of like organize people to sort of like have voting power and like these are the charities we want to support.

00:05:21.000 You could kind of like have a role in it as well. 0.89

00:05:24.000 And the problem with that is you could have groups that are organized that would go and generate money for a specific charity and that charity might be bullshit.

00:05:34.000 Well, and that's where you can program in the rules for it.

00:05:38.000 So you can make it very like checks and balances.

00:05:40.000 So it's not just like, okay, one person's just like, okay, here, let's give it to whatever.

00:05:44.000 I don't want to do that.

00:05:45.000 I want to have control.

00:05:47.000 And you could do that, too.

00:05:48.000 You could have that, too.

00:05:49.000 You can set it up however you want.

00:05:52.000 Here's the choices.

00:05:54.000 Like, okay, I'm going to pick these charities that I like, and I approve all of them, and you guys vote with the community.

00:06:00.000 So you can set it up however you want.

00:06:01.000 Do you know much about charities?

00:06:03.000 No.

00:06:03.000 I know not that much.

00:06:04.000 I'm learning more and we're doing a bunch of charity work like next year that we're like selling artworks and stuff and like a bunch of auctions.

00:06:11.000 There's a few charities that I support because I know the people that are responsible for the charity.

00:06:15.000 I know like how they organize and how they run it.

00:06:18.000 But man, a lot of charities are slippery.

00:06:21.000 And what's slippery about them is... 0.99

00:06:23.000 Well, it's not necessarily that they're bullshit. 0.99

00:06:25.000 Or they waste a lot of money. 1.00

00:06:27.000 The money goes to fucking just bullshit. 1.00

00:06:47.000 Well it's bloated. 1.00

00:06:47.000 Sure. 1.00

00:06:48.000 Yeah, that's important.

00:07:07.000 If you could figure out a way to get money directly to people that are in need, right?

00:07:12.000 That's like the best charity.

00:07:13.000 But then you have to get people to facilitate that and you have to pay them, which obviously they deserve to be paid, right?

00:07:18.000 But it's like, should they be getting rich off a charity?

00:07:21.000 Then the thing is like, okay, but they just want a job.

00:07:28.000 The wealthy people are supposed to be donating, but if you need people to run that job, they shouldn't be doing it for charitable donations.

00:07:36.000 They should be getting paid like a normal person.

00:07:38.000 They should be able to live comfortably while they're doing this hard work.

00:07:41.000 So I get both sides of it.

00:07:43.000 It's definitely something, though, that you can...

00:07:45.000 If you want to see your money do the maximum amount of good, which I'm sure you do, it's something you do need to keep tabs on. 0.95

00:07:54.000 I also just don't want to donate to anything that's bullshit.

00:07:58.000 But again, that's where you can control it and you sort of give the options to the like thing that are all sort of like already approved by you. 0.93

00:08:05.000 So it's sort of like it's not just giving up control.

00:08:07.000 You can kind of like bring in the community in ways that you want and sort of like augment it and kind of like, you know, kind of get feedback.

00:08:14.000 But it's still in a sort of like controlled manner.

00:08:17.000 So it's there's a lot of different ways to like kind of like...

00:08:20.000 Use this technology to interact with your fans or followers.

00:08:24.000 Ever since I had this woman, Renee DiResta, who researched the internet research agency from Russia.

00:08:33.000 They run troll farms.

00:08:35.000 They influence all of our social media from top to bottom.

00:08:40.000 This is how bad it is. 0.54

00:08:41.000 They found out recently that 19 of the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook are run by troll farms.

00:08:47.000 Jesus!

00:08:48.000 It's that intertwined.

00:08:50.000 There are so many times where someone...

00:08:52.000 I'll read a comment...

00:08:54.000 Like groups?

00:08:54.000 Like Christian what?

00:08:55.000 Like groups?

00:08:55.000 Like Facebook groups?

00:08:56.000 Yeah, like Facebook groups organizing because Obama's a Satanist, like that kind of shit. 1.00

00:09:00.000 And you go like, who is this? 1.00

00:09:02.000 Who thinks Obama's a Satanist?

00:09:03.000 And then you go and look into it and you're like, oh, this isn't even a real person.

00:09:07.000 You go to their Twitter page.

00:09:09.000 There's so many times recently that I've gone to people's Twitter pages and I've looked at what they're writing.

00:09:14.000 I'm like, I don't think this is a real person.

00:09:16.000 No.

00:09:16.000 And they have a weird name.

00:09:18.000 It's a bot.

00:09:19.000 It's not a bot.

00:09:21.000 It could just be a person.

00:09:23.000 It's a person that's getting paid.

00:09:25.000 This is why it's complicated.

00:09:26.000 Because a lot of them are funny.

00:09:27.000 This is one of the things that Renee DiResta said.

00:09:29.000 She went over hundreds of thousands of memes.

00:09:31.000 And a lot of them were actually funny. 0.96

00:09:33.000 So my point is, whenever you allow people to vote on things online now, you're dealing with an exorbitant amount of fuckery. 0.93

00:09:41.000 That's true. 0.98

00:09:42.000 Organized fuckery. 0.99

00:09:43.000 Organized fuckery from these countries that literally have a vested interest in causing mistrust. 0.99

00:09:51.000 So what they could do is, if you had a bunch of people that were voting on a charity, they would develop a fake charity that sucks, and then they would rig the voting. 0.98

00:10:01.000 They would have thousands of people vote for this.

00:10:04.000 Because a lot of people don't vote. 0.99

00:10:05.000 They're fucking busy, right? 0.98

00:10:06.000 So they would have an organized campaign. 0.99

00:10:08.000 They have thousands of people working for them.

00:10:10.000 With hundreds of thousands of accounts.

00:10:13.000 I will say with this, though, you make it so that they have to pay to vote.

00:10:17.000 And that's the difference.

00:10:18.000 How much?

00:10:19.000 And that filters a lot.

00:10:19.000 That's where you'd be sort of selling some sort of basic voting right in this DAO or organization.

00:10:26.000 You already lost me.

00:10:27.000 It's over.

00:10:28.000 I'm out.

00:10:29.000 I'm out.

00:10:29.000 I don't like what you're saying.

00:10:31.000 I think it'd be better if I just sell NFTs and no DAOs.

00:10:37.000 There's a bunch of different ways where I think you can sort of use it.

00:10:41.000 And we're still very much at the beginning of this.

00:10:44.000 And it's like, these things are very new.

00:10:46.000 And yeah, there's going to be downsides too.

00:10:48.000 100%.

00:10:49.000 You're not incorrect to approach this with...

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 Hesitation because there's no like rush to it because it's still being figured out and like people are figuring out what works, what doesn't work.

00:11:00.000 And so I think it's something to sort of like, you know, have on your radar, but it's not like something where you need to like super, super like rush into it because it's not going away.

00:11:10.000 Out of all the things that are ridiculously profitable, this is one of the most confusing and one of the ones that I never saw coming.

00:11:19.000 When it was happening, I was like, what is this?

00:11:21.000 And I've had 20 people explain it to me.

00:11:24.000 How did you find out?

00:11:26.000 Well, let's go back to this.

00:11:28.000 You've been basically putting up a new piece of art every single day on your website.

00:11:34.000 And it's amazing stuff.

00:11:35.000 A lot of it is animated.

00:11:37.000 A lot of it is not.

00:11:38.000 It's like...

00:11:39.000 First of all, how do you generate this stuff?

00:11:41.000 So I've been doing, yeah, a picture every day for the last 14 plus years.

00:11:45.000 And it's every single day...

00:11:47.000 No days off.

00:11:48.000 That's crazy.

00:11:49.000 It's done that day.

00:11:50.000 Start to finish.

00:11:51.000 Christmas.

00:11:51.000 New years.

00:11:52.000 Kids born.

00:11:53.000 Wow.

00:11:55.000 Wife's, you know, about to go to the hospital. 1.00

00:11:57.000 Is your wife like, hey, fuck face. 1.00

00:11:59.000 Take a day off. 1.00

00:12:00.000 No.

00:12:00.000 Absolutely not.

00:12:01.000 Insanely supportive.

00:12:02.000 Wow.

00:12:02.000 She's been there the whole time.

00:12:05.000 We started going out a year before I started this. 0.95

00:12:08.000 So she's seen the whole thing when nobody gave any fuck about what I was doing.

00:12:12.000 But now you've got to be like... 0.88

00:12:17.000 Like, seeing the whole sort of, like, progression.

00:12:19.000 Now you have to be like, I told you so.

00:12:23.000 No, no, no.

00:12:23.000 She knew, like, she was super supportive the whole time.

00:12:26.000 So it's like, she honestly...

00:12:27.000 And I think what people don't maybe realize is my story is a little more incremental than it looks like.

00:12:34.000 It kind of...

00:12:34.000 It got...

00:12:34.000 It went a little fucking hockey stick at the end here.

00:12:38.000 But, like... 0.99

00:12:39.000 I like that.

00:12:40.000 But it was like sort of, you know, gaining popularity.

00:12:43.000 And that's how I learned of NFTs is sort of like my fans kept coming up to me and like, look at this.

00:12:48.000 You got to like, look at this. 0.99

00:12:49.000 And it was like, and I also was just like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:12:53.000 It's not fucking for me. 1.00

00:12:54.000 It's fucking complicated as shit. 1.00

00:12:56.000 And you were just into the art. 0.99

00:12:58.000 Yeah, I was just doing, I mean, this was a year ago.

00:13:01.000 This was sort of like, I was already, I'd already done 20 years of art and build, you know, a couple million followers on, you know, social media and stuff and sort of like, you know, you'd see my stuff a couple years ago and like...

00:13:11.000 Yeah, when did we first get in contact with each other?

00:13:14.000 I think I reached out to you.

00:13:15.000 2019. Like when I started doing that Trump stuff.

00:13:18.000 It was actually right around when I started doing that Trump stuff.

00:13:20.000 Some of them were so preposterous. 1.00

00:13:23.000 Like mechanical Trumps with things off of his nipples. 0.99

00:13:27.000 Wasn't there one with Hillary Clinton's head was inside of his gut or something like that? 0.99

00:13:31.000 There's been a lot of bad stuff.

00:13:33.000 Bad stuff?

00:13:34.000 You mean the best artwork ever.

00:13:36.000 Picture.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, there's one.

00:13:38.000 Look at that one.

00:13:39.000 Can you pull up the picture from last night?

00:13:41.000 Look at that one.

00:13:43.000 Oh my god.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, there's been some stuff.

00:13:45.000 How are you generating these images?

00:13:47.000 What are you using?

00:13:48.000 So, the program is called Cinema 4D, and the renderer that I use is Octane, and it's basically, it's kind of like a sort of like 3D space.

00:13:57.000 Like, you play, that's the thing, you used to play, I heard, Quake, and like, yeah.

00:14:02.000 So it's like that.

00:14:03.000 It's like a 3D space like that, where I can like, think about the monsters, you can like, place them wherever.

00:14:07.000 That's, I could just place whatever sort of like, Images or sort of like 3D models wherever I want.

00:14:13.000 Scale them up, break them apart, put boobs on them, draw on them afterwards, draw on the picture on top of it too, like change out any sort of like piece of it. 0.98

00:14:23.000 Oh, the penises. 0.99

00:14:24.000 I saw that. 0.99

00:14:24.000 I saw you had it blurred out on Instagram. 0.99

00:14:28.000 This is literally just, you know, this was like a bit longer, but like four hours in my hotel room last night on a laptop, sitting alone, listening to music. 0.98

00:14:38.000 Looking at dicks. 0.99

00:14:40.000 Not looking at dicks, making dicks. 1.00

00:14:43.000 Making all of them uncircumcised. 1.00

00:14:45.000 Drawing. 1.00

00:14:47.000 And so basically I found a 3D model of a dick. 0.99

00:14:50.000 I went and bought or I bought a 3D model of a dick. 0.97

00:14:53.000 And so I've got a lot of these other sort of like models of like people and like stuff like this. 0.99

00:14:57.000 I've got like a huge library of like these like models that I can like put jam shit in. 0.51

00:15:01.000 It's called kit bashing. 0.99

00:15:03.000 I can like bash shit in really fast. 0.99

00:15:05.000 I got to interject sometimes. 1.00

00:15:06.000 Like what do you mean you bought a 3D model of a dick? 0.99

00:15:09.000 What does that mean? 0.99

00:15:11.000 He just glossed over that.

00:15:12.000 You noticed that?

00:15:15.000 That's true.

00:15:16.000 How did you do this?

00:15:18.000 I don't know what you're saying. 0.99

00:15:20.000 Okay, so a 3D model of a dick is basically just a... 0.99

00:15:24.000 It's kind of like a representation in a game engine of a dick. 0.99

00:15:33.000 So it's like the shape of a dick, and you can put any sort of texture on it. 0.96

00:15:37.000 So again, think of in a 3D world, you see a gun or a car. 0.93

00:15:41.000 Right. 0.99

00:15:42.000 Instead of it being a car, it's a dick. 0.98

00:15:43.000 And I can place it wherever I want and then sort of compose a picture with it. 0.98

00:15:47.000 But you purchase it.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, you can just buy it. 1.00

00:15:49.000 There's just sites where you can just go on there, dick, penis, 3D model. 1.00

00:15:54.000 How much does a 3D dick model cost? 1.00

00:15:56.000 I believe it was $12. 0.99

00:15:58.000 So you get a 3D dick model. 0.97

00:16:00.000 Is it use Bitcoin? 0.96

00:16:01.000 How are you paying for this? 1.00

00:16:02.000 No, it's just like a fucking, it's like nothing. 1.00

00:16:04.000 It's like fucking Amazon. 1.00

00:16:06.000 It's just like two seconds. 0.99

00:16:07.000 So it's a one click?

00:16:08.000 Yeah, it's like not, no, it's not on Amazon.

00:16:10.000 I know what you're saying.

00:16:11.000 It's like, yeah, it's like nothing.

00:16:13.000 It's like their sites, TurboSquid is another one.

00:16:15.000 TurboSquid has literally probably, I don't even know, millions of 3D models.

00:16:19.000 They're the like biggest one.

00:16:21.000 I've used tons and tons of models from them.

00:16:23.000 You just type anything, a bike, bicycle, car, helmet, whatever.

00:16:27.000 And literally, you could pull up an enormous amount of models, and you could just buy them in two seconds.

00:16:35.000 And you could put them into the thing and animate them, light them, do whatever with them.

00:16:40.000 So when you're doing something like this, like the Dick one, or this Kanye-Drake one?

00:16:45.000 Yeah, when they did the concert thing. 0.83

00:16:49.000 Yeah, so when you do something like this, do you have an idea and you just sit down or do you sit down and then just start fucking around and then eventually an idea comes to you? 0.51

00:16:59.000 What's your process? 0.76

00:17:01.000 Usually I have an idea. 0.89

00:17:02.000 Like this, I knew they were doing that concert, and so it was like, okay, I'm going to do something with a freaking monster that's both of them. 0.97

00:17:10.000 A lot of these things are sort of ideas of current events sort of extrapolated out into a fucking crazy future. 0.88

00:17:19.000 And so this is sort of like, far in the future, they'd sort of merge their bodies into this one giant Kanye... 0.92

00:17:28.000 Go back to the past.

00:17:28.000 Drake Beast.

00:17:31.000 Go back to all the images.

00:17:34.000 Scroll back.

00:17:34.000 So who's that guy on the right hand side with the missile silos?

00:17:37.000 What is that?

00:17:38.000 That guy.

00:17:38.000 So it's like a Santa kind of like...

00:17:41.000 Like imagining Santa was some sort of like in like a giant trash heap with all of these sort of like this industry that sort of like grown around him like far in the future and it's just sort of this desolate area where this giant commerce beast used to like roam the earth like it's very like I kind of sort of I don't know Usually just place these things and then sort of like after almost I'm sort of like able to see and kind of like

00:18:11.000 I have like a vague idea when I'm doing it sometimes a very specific idea but a lot of times it's sort of like just playing around until I like find something that sort of I don't know resonates and sort of feels like a And a lot of times I usually just run out of time because it has to be done by midnight,

00:18:31.000 too.

00:18:31.000 What time do you usually start?

00:18:32.000 Do you sit down at a specific time every night?

00:18:34.000 No, it's sort of like usually it's late.

00:18:37.000 But it has to be done by midnight that day.

00:18:38.000 It has to be done by midnight and posted online.

00:18:40.000 To get one a day.

00:18:41.000 That's it.

00:18:41.000 It's never sort of like, oh, okay, I'm staying up until 3 a.m.

00:18:44.000 It's done by midnight and posted online.

00:18:46.000 That is very sort of...

00:18:48.000 That's your rule.

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:49.000 This is two humans, it says.

00:18:52.000 What is this supposed to represent?

00:18:54.000 I'm going to be honest, I have no idea.

00:18:56.000 This was just like I liked how this monkey head looked.

00:18:58.000 I have no idea on this one. 0.99

00:19:00.000 I do not have some flowery bullshit for this one. 0.98

00:19:02.000 It's pretty dope, though. 0.99

00:19:02.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:19:03.000 I just kind of like how the teeth of the monkey, and just their, I don't know, their eyes are so crazy looking.

00:19:09.000 And is this another thing where you got an image online and you just started working with it?

00:19:14.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:19:14.000 It's sort of like I've got a bunch of things.

00:19:16.000 So in that picture, I've got sort of I can make the...

00:19:20.000 The ground sort of glossy to make it look like it's water.

00:19:23.000 And then I've got a texture that looks like dirt and I can just apply it to just a flat sort of like plain and then it just looks like dirt.

00:19:30.000 And then I can populate grass and then just pull in like a 3D deer model and then sort of tweak the lighting.

00:19:38.000 I can also put lights wherever I want.

00:19:41.000 So I can sort of change it from daylight or make any sort of lighting condition.

00:19:46.000 That's pretty dope.

00:19:47.000 So it's like a 3D game engine.

00:19:49.000 It's like a game engine, exactly.

00:19:50.000 And then I have a virtual camera that I'm pointing wherever, and then I just take a still of it.

00:19:55.000 Go back to that, Jamie.

00:19:56.000 This smiley face, where do you get the texture for that thing?

00:20:01.000 Look at the texture on that.

00:20:02.000 That's so dope.

00:20:03.000 Yeah, so I've got like a bunch of different textures.

00:20:05.000 And then I also run it through a filter that makes it look more like a painting.

00:20:08.000 So you can see on the edge there how it's kind of like overpainted almost kind of.

00:20:13.000 Like I'm also running it through like kind of like a, not an AI, but sort of this filter that makes it look more almost like painterly too.

00:20:20.000 So I'm doing a lot of things afterwards, like painting on top of it and like.

00:20:24.000 And you're sort of getting these ideas as you're doing it, just kind of going with the flow?

00:20:45.000 No weird sort of people or anything like that.

00:20:47.000 So when you first started doing this, this kind of digital art, did you have a regular job?

00:20:52.000 And were you just doing this for fun?

00:20:56.000 So I started when I was in college.

00:20:58.000 There's water in this thing too if you want some.

00:21:00.000 There's a glass right there for you.

00:21:01.000 I started when I was in college and I went to school for computer science and then just started making these weird digital art things and short films with my friends and stuff like that.

00:21:12.000 And then out of school, I got a job doing web design and then just kept making this stuff on the side.

00:21:19.000 There was no way to sell it.

00:21:21.000 It was just sort of like putting it out online.

00:21:23.000 It was getting me better freelance jobs, though.

00:21:27.000 So I was slowly sort of getting better stuff.

00:21:30.000 At the end, I'm doing stuff for the Super Bowl and Louis Vuitton and Imagine Dragons.

00:21:35.000 When did that start happening?

00:21:37.000 It just slowly kept building.

00:21:39.000 And this is because of your presence online?

00:21:41.000 Like, people would find out about you?

00:21:42.000 Yeah, and so, like, Louis Vuitton came, and they were just sort of like, okay, we want to put the everydays on the, like, clothes.

00:21:48.000 And it was just like, what?

00:21:50.000 Like, you're just going to put these pictures on, like, women's clothes? 0.98

00:21:53.000 What are you saying?

00:21:54.000 Everydays?

00:21:55.000 The everydays.

00:21:56.000 Those pictures.

00:21:56.000 Oh.

00:21:57.000 The everydays.

00:21:57.000 Just each one of those, like, images.

00:21:59.000 Oh, you call your images everydays.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, well, those pictures. 0.99

00:22:03.000 Most people don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so slow down. 0.99

00:22:06.000 Slow down. 0.99

00:22:07.000 So this is one of your images on clothes?

00:22:09.000 That's fair.

00:22:10.000 That's fair.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 You're saying everydays like everybody knows.

00:22:12.000 Right?

00:22:13.000 You didn't know what he was saying, did you?

00:22:14.000 I do, yeah.

00:22:15.000 Yeah, he speaks spectrum.

00:22:17.000 He did!

00:22:18.000 He did, bro.

00:22:18.000 I'm deep in the internet.

00:22:19.000 Both of you guys are on the same level of spectrum.

00:22:21.000 That's on you.

00:22:22.000 That's on you.

00:22:22.000 That is not on me.

00:22:23.000 You're saying everydays?

00:22:24.000 I put these everydays on people.

00:22:26.000 I don't know what you're saying.

00:22:26.000 He knew.

00:22:27.000 A lot of people listening don't know what the fuck. 0.98

00:22:29.000 I'm trying to speak for everybody. 0.98

00:22:31.000 So that's your original image in the lower right hand corner and then the actual clothes is what Louis Vuitton.

00:22:36.000 Did these sell well?

00:22:37.000 I have no idea. 0.76

00:22:38.000 Did you ever walk down the street and see some dork wearing one of these? 0.76

00:22:43.000 I did not. 0.96

00:22:44.000 I did not.

00:22:46.000 Honestly, I have no idea.

00:22:47.000 It's just...

00:22:47.000 Pretty dope.

00:22:48.000 It's definitely very, like, super weird.

00:22:51.000 And, like, we were at the, like, opening of this, and I did not think they had actually used it.

00:22:55.000 Like, I assume they were just, like, you know, some...

00:22:59.000 These are real images, right?

00:23:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:01.000 That was the original image.

00:23:03.000 Basically, the original image had that McDonald's logo on it.

00:23:07.000 They're like, change that McDonald's logo to a Louis Vuitton logo, and then they just put it on the middle of the shirt.

00:23:11.000 I want you to imagine being on a date with a girl, and she shows up wearing that thing.

00:23:15.000 First of all, I'm like, do you live on Tatooine?

00:23:20.000 Are you in Star Wars? 0.99

00:23:21.000 What the fuck is that shirt you're wearing? 1.00

00:23:25.000 What is this outfit? 1.00

00:23:26.000 Why do you have a hood on?

00:23:28.000 Right?

00:23:28.000 You have a skirt with a hood.

00:23:30.000 You are sending mixed messages.

00:23:32.000 Are you cold?

00:23:34.000 Or is it breezy?

00:23:36.000 It can go a lot of ways.

00:23:37.000 Do you have a rope around?

00:23:38.000 Is that shirt tied with a rope?

00:23:41.000 What kind of drugs do you like, lady? 1.00

00:23:44.000 That would be a short date.

00:23:45.000 Short or long, depending on how she answers the questions.

00:23:49.000 Can you imagine?

00:23:51.000 It's definitely interesting.

00:23:53.000 Yeah, really interesting.

00:23:54.000 So they started doing that, and what other companies have utilized the images?

00:23:59.000 A bunch of different sort of like, and I've also done a bunch of like concert visuals.

00:24:03.000 That was another sort of like other whole other thing that I did where I was basically giving away these sort of like short abstract clips that are just kind of 15 second long clips that I don't know if you can pull up some of those, but they're kind of just abstract ambient things that people can use for anything.

00:24:21.000 And so a bunch of people started, they became very popular in sort of the concert visual world and like So popular that they were not cool to use because it's like, oh, you're just using the people clips.

00:24:30.000 So they would put them in the background on those giant screens?

00:24:33.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 And so all over the world, people use these clips.

00:24:37.000 They're super, super popular.

00:24:38.000 If you just type in VJ clip, that's what comes up.

00:24:41.000 Like this kind of stuff?

00:24:41.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:42.000 And so this is one of them.

00:24:44.000 Because I'm just giving them away for free.

00:24:46.000 Hold on.

00:24:46.000 Just always remember that most people are just listening.

00:24:49.000 So what we're looking at here is this wild thing where you're going through a pond and Or like some kind of a lake or something and these wild floating digital red images are in the air.

00:25:03.000 This is wild stuff, man.

00:25:04.000 So this would be playing in the background and someone would be jamming out on stage.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, so if some band wanted to use this and it loops.

00:25:10.000 It's like a perfect loop that will just keep going forever.

00:25:14.000 You can just download it for free.

00:25:16.000 You don't have to credit me.

00:25:17.000 You don't have to do anything.

00:25:18.000 You just literally take this and put it in your show.

00:25:20.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:25:20.000 And so I have hundreds of these out.

00:25:22.000 And so most people just kind of know it's you?

00:25:24.000 No, no.

00:25:25.000 They like, yeah, they sort of like, if they download it from me, they sort of like see it and they're sort of very well known that these like clips are like free because I've been doing this for like 10 years, like It's cool that you put them out for free.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, it's just sort of like something where I love making these clips.

00:25:39.000 I had no use for them.

00:25:41.000 I tried VJing a couple times and it was sort of like, nah, it's not really for me.

00:25:45.000 But I like making the clips and so it's sort of like other people can use these.

00:25:49.000 And there's another one?

00:25:50.000 Yeah, like a couple hundred of these.

00:25:51.000 And so they all loop so that you can just keep them going for a long time.

00:25:55.000 How are you making that?

00:25:57.000 So it's the same sort of, like, program.

00:25:58.000 It's just, like, animated.

00:26:00.000 That's not one.

00:26:00.000 If I feel like you could almost make a whole movie, man.

00:26:03.000 Can you make people's mouths work? 0.74

00:26:04.000 Yeah, it's very time-consuming, though.

00:26:05.000 Can you make people's mouths move? 0.99

00:26:07.000 Yeah, that's the kind of shit that's, like, very, like... 0.99

00:26:10.000 That's the time-consuming stuff? 0.99

00:26:11.000 Very, very time-consuming. 1.00

00:26:12.000 What if everybody had a mask on so you don't have to fuck with their face? 1.00

00:26:15.000 You could do that. 1.00

00:26:16.000 That's something I do.

00:26:17.000 I do put a lot of masks on.

00:26:20.000 So these are just clips people can download and use for whatever.

00:26:23.000 And so that's how I got connected and did a bunch of jobs for Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande.

00:26:29.000 And through a company in LA called Possible, they sort of have hired me for a bunch of different stuff.

00:26:36.000 And I've worked on the Super Bowl and sort of a bunch of different things through this stuff.

00:26:41.000 So what we're looking at here, it says Crystal Dust Free VJ Loop.

00:26:44.000 So you can look at all these online and they all say Free VJ Loop.

00:26:49.000 So how many of these do you have available for VJs?

00:26:52.000 Probably like 250 or something like that.

00:26:54.000 Wow.

00:26:55.000 So I think I found out about you from, it's Free VJ Loops.

00:26:59.000 If you just type in VJ Loops.

00:27:01.000 Yeah, and it's Beeple is the YouTube page.

00:27:04.000 I found out about you, somebody sent me, I think it was one of the earlier animated ones.

00:27:09.000 Whether it was a Trump one or a Kim Jong-un one or something like that. 0.99

00:27:13.000 And I was like, what in the fuck is this? 0.95

00:27:15.000 So that's actually a pretty recent one because that was only like two, three years ago. 0.99

00:27:20.000 Yeah, that's when I found out about you.

00:27:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:22.000 I mean, a while back for me.

00:27:24.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:27:25.000 Not a while back for you.

00:27:25.000 Yeah.

00:27:25.000 And so, like, those kind of, like, sort of, you know, more political ones and sort of, like, ones that are, like, commentating on stuff have been sort of recent.

00:27:34.000 But honestly, they weren't really, like, possible, like, you know, when I started.

00:27:38.000 Like, there wasn't all these, like, model libraries where you could just super quickly, like, grab Kanye, grab...

00:27:43.000 Well, or just have models because it's sort of, like, I didn't make the, like, Trump face model.

00:27:48.000 I just got it and, like, can use it for whatever.

00:27:50.000 How much did the Trump face model cost?

00:27:52.000 That, I think, actually, I got from a buddy.

00:27:56.000 I think that was from a friend, actually.

00:27:58.000 What is that phone call like?

00:28:00.000 Hey, man.

00:28:01.000 No, he's like a guy. 1.00

00:28:02.000 I'm going to have Trump with nipples that shoot out laser beams. 1.00

00:28:06.000 Oh, maybe it was that one. 1.00

00:28:07.000 I don't know.

00:28:07.000 Actually, I think it is that one.

00:28:09.000 How much, Jamie?

00:28:10.000 $84.

00:28:11.000 Oh, that's expensive.

00:28:12.000 Well, they know you need it.

00:28:13.000 That's why.

00:28:14.000 Yeah, so this is a site where you can just, like, kind of, like, download sort of, like, all these things.

00:28:19.000 Like, so those are, like, full sort of, like, you could download that entire sort of, like, set.

00:28:22.000 And so you have that entire, like, scene.

00:28:25.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:26.000 Right there for $100.

00:28:27.000 And so it's sort of, like, these things are relatively...

00:28:32.000 Very, very, very cheap.

00:28:33.000 For how long it would take to make that from scratch, very, very cheap.

00:28:37.000 I was listening to some old rap music, some 90s rap yesterday, and I was thinking, God, so many guys use Trump in rap songs in a positive way in the 90s.

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:50.000 Guys were calling themselves the Black Trump.

00:28:53.000 They're talking, I'm rich like Trump, holding cash like Trump.

00:28:59.000 You think he's going to run?

00:29:00.000 You think he's going to run?

00:29:03.000 100%.

00:29:04.000 Did you catch the Nancy Reagan stuff over the weekend?

00:29:06.000 No.

00:29:08.000 No?

00:29:08.000 Nancy Reagan stuff?

00:29:09.000 No, what is that?

00:29:11.000 Someone put up a picture of comparing Nancy Reagan, actually it was Ben Shapiro's sister, I think.

00:29:16.000 Oh boy.

00:29:17.000 Nancy Reagan to Madonna at age like 63 or 64. And then someone commented below that, hey, Nancy Reagan is known historically in Hollywood as being very good at blowjobs. 1.00

00:29:29.000 What? 0.99

00:29:30.000 Yeah.

00:29:31.000 What?

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:34.000 What history?

00:29:37.000 What does that mean?

00:29:38.000 I can pull that out, but Jamie Vernon is known historically for being very good at blowdrops.

00:29:42.000 And people are like, Jamie...

00:29:43.000 It was in a book that someone wrote, like a historical book, and there was a bunch of guys that talked about it. 0.99

00:29:48.000 As soon as a historical book starts mentioning old ladies sucking dicks, I get skeptical. 1.00

00:29:54.000 I just saw she was trending on Twitter. 0.99

00:29:56.000 I was like, why is Nancy Reagan trending for two days?

00:29:58.000 And I started digging through it.

00:29:59.000 I was like, holy...

00:30:00.000 It's become like an internet meme now about...

00:30:02.000 That's why I'm off Twitter.

00:30:04.000 Show me this image that compares Nancy Reagan to Madonna at the same age.

00:30:08.000 The thing about Madonna is, like, you never really know what she looks like, because every picture is so heavily filtered.

00:30:13.000 Like, if you didn't know anybody, you'd think she's 30 years old.

00:30:16.000 We're actually working on a thing.

00:30:18.000 See, here's even, like, Ben Shapiro's sister tried to slut-shame Madonna by comparing her to Nancy Reagan, and it backfired.

00:30:23.000 Oh, God.

00:30:24.000 Who wrote this?

00:30:24.000 Oh, the Daily Dot.

00:30:26.000 Oh, you silly people. 0.99

00:30:27.000 But that's the tweet. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Oh, didn't fucking... 0.99

00:30:30.000 She got mad at 50 Cent. 0.99

00:30:32.000 I saw that.

00:30:33.000 Because 50 Cent was making fun of her for being in her underwear in some Instagram post. 0.81

00:30:43.000 Where is this comparison?

00:30:45.000 That was the picture right there.

00:30:46.000 That was it.

00:30:47.000 Oh, right there?

00:30:48.000 Yeah, she's 63 in that picture.

00:30:50.000 Nancy Reagan is 64 in that picture.

00:30:52.000 See, look at...

00:30:53.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:30:53.000 That might as well be a beeple.

00:30:55.000 Right?

00:30:56.000 That's not really her.

00:30:58.000 She's got one titty hanging out. 1.00

00:30:59.000 Dude, we are working on something.

00:31:01.000 I am working on something with Madonna.

00:31:03.000 But look at that image.

00:31:04.000 Make that larger if you can.

00:31:08.000 Because what is that?

00:31:10.000 That's not even a picture.

00:31:11.000 That's a cartoon.

00:31:13.000 What do you mean?

00:31:13.000 I mean, she's got...

00:31:14.000 For sure.

00:31:16.000 She's got one titty out, right? 0.99

00:31:18.000 And she's got a heart over the nipple. 1.00

00:31:20.000 What do you mean?

00:31:21.000 What do you think's Photoshopped?

00:31:22.000 I don't think it's that Photoshopped.

00:31:23.000 What are you talking about?

00:31:24.000 Look at her face. 1.00

00:31:25.000 Dude, I know Photoshopped shit. 1.00

00:31:26.000 I don't think it's... 0.99

00:31:27.000 Okay, you don't think that that's...

00:31:28.000 Maybe a little bit.

00:31:28.000 Listen to me.

00:31:29.000 You don't think that's filter?

00:31:30.000 There's some filter, but I don't think it's that much.

00:31:33.000 What? 0.99

00:31:34.000 Are you crazy? 1.00

00:31:35.000 A little, maybe. 0.99

00:31:36.000 No human skin looks like that, bro.

00:31:39.000 A little on the face, maybe.

00:31:40.000 Oh, a lot on the face.

00:31:41.000 What are you, a secret Madonna fan?

00:31:43.000 We found a Madonna apologist here.

00:31:45.000 This man is a Madonna apologist.

00:31:47.000 By the way, I was a giant Madonna fan as a young boy.

00:31:49.000 Look at those shoes.

00:31:50.000 She never wore them a day in her life.

00:31:51.000 Go back.

00:31:53.000 Try running in those shoes, lady. 1.00

00:31:54.000 You'll fall flat on your fucking ass. 1.00

00:31:56.000 That is definitely a shoe. 1.00

00:31:56.000 Look how slippery the bottoms of those things are. 1.00

00:31:59.000 That is a feat.

00:32:00.000 Imagine her trying to run on wet grass with those things on. 1.00

00:32:02.000 Good luck.

00:32:04.000 Preposterous.

00:32:05.000 But it's still like, when you're 63 years old, and you're doing that. 1.00

00:32:11.000 And Nancy Reagan is with her whole grandchildren and shit. 1.00

00:32:14.000 Let's see the picture of her. 1.00

00:32:15.000 I don't know which one I'd rather hang out with.

00:32:17.000 I think Madonna.

00:32:18.000 She probably has a lot of cool gay friends, and it's probably a cool underground place she could take you to with great music and good hors d'oeuvres. 1.00

00:32:25.000 That's true.

00:32:26.000 She's got that.

00:32:27.000 She would know a place to go to.

00:32:28.000 She's got that.

00:32:30.000 Good martinis.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, she knows people.

00:32:33.000 There's her there.

00:32:34.000 Okay.

00:32:35.000 Okay, so that is odd.

00:32:37.000 That picture's odd.

00:32:38.000 But you know, she's always been odd.

00:32:40.000 She's just odd in her 60s now.

00:32:42.000 Yeah, the thing we're working on, I will say, it goes pretty hard.

00:32:46.000 I'm sure it does.

00:32:46.000 It will be interesting.

00:32:48.000 When have you ever done one that doesn't go hard?

00:32:49.000 It goes pretty hard.

00:32:50.000 We'll see people's reaction to it.

00:32:55.000 So when did you first start doing the animations?

00:32:58.000 So I've been doing animations for like a very long time but they looked very very different like 20 years ago like they were very simple and like the tools were it was not 3d it was like sort of like very synced audio and video and so slowly I've sort of like the tools have gotten much more sophisticated that like the things you could do now were like you know Hollywood like full effects like you know 15 years ago yeah that it's like okay that shot would have cost like you know 15 million dollars now you can do it for a thousand bucks Yeah,

00:33:28.000 there's all sorts of fan-created videos online now. 0.93

00:33:33.000 They're fucking good, too, dude. 0.99

00:33:34.000 They're fucking insane. 1.00

00:33:35.000 Amazing. 1.00

00:33:35.000 They're fucking insane. 1.00

00:33:36.000 Well, the special effects that you can do with a regular computer now are just off the charts. 1.00

00:33:41.000 The fucking phone now, dude. 1.00

00:33:42.000 The fucking phone's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:33:45.000 The tools are getting cheaper and cheaper, and there's so much information out there, too, to let people... 1.00

00:33:58.000 Get really, really quickly assimilated into a technology and then they share their information and it's just like multiplying like so fast how these things sort of like, you know.

00:34:07.000 It's very exciting.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, it's definitely.

00:34:09.000 Just the cameras on these phones.

00:34:12.000 Digital cameras, like a small digital camera.

00:34:14.000 Jamie's a real photography nut and so he still uses a real camera camera.

00:34:19.000 But for regular photos, it's totally unnecessary now.

00:34:22.000 They're insane.

00:34:23.000 I have an iPhone that I use.

00:34:26.000 I carry two phones.

00:34:28.000 And I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. 0.99

00:34:31.000 And you can take a photo of the fucking moon with this thing. 0.99

00:34:33.000 Have you seen that? 0.99

00:34:34.000 No, no.

00:34:35.000 Dude, it's incredible.

00:34:36.000 It has some sort of AI fuckery is involved in it, but it also has some insane digital zoom, where you hold the galaxy towards the moon, and it recognizes that you're looking at the moon, so it frames it up in a small square, 0.98

00:34:52.000 and then you spread it apart and zoom, and you can get these high-resolution, beautiful images of the surface of the fucking moon. 0.96

00:35:01.000 That's crazy, and they specifically programmed it for the moon. 0.97

00:35:04.000 Yes, it's called Moonshot.

00:35:05.000 That's crazy.

00:35:07.000 The Galaxy cameras are like... 0.99

00:35:09.000 Look, iPhone cameras are fucking incredible, no doubt. 0.97

00:35:12.000 But the Galaxy cameras have way more adjustability. 0.97

00:35:16.000 If you're into fucking around with the stuff, there's way more features.

00:35:20.000 There's way more different modes and things you can do. 0.90

00:35:23.000 I think they're starting to unlock it a little more with the iPhone now.

00:35:25.000 It's sort of like raw and shooting and all that stuff.

00:35:27.000 I took that photo.

00:35:28.000 That's crazy.

00:35:29.000 For the phone, man.

00:35:31.000 I mean, how wild is that?

00:35:32.000 That is insane.

00:35:33.000 I took that with a phone.

00:35:35.000 It's definitely...

00:35:36.000 It's just...

00:35:37.000 And that's the thing.

00:35:37.000 We haven't even had these phones that long.

00:35:39.000 I know.

00:35:40.000 The phones...

00:35:41.000 Every year they get better.

00:35:42.000 They're like a phone like, you know, 16 years.

00:35:44.000 Like, that's not that long.

00:35:45.000 Yeah, and the real phones, like in terms of like smartphones, is 2007. Yeah.

00:35:50.000 That's when it started.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:35:52.000 I mean, that's really like, until it's really, you know, got real.

00:35:56.000 So really 14 years.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 It's wild, man. 0.99

00:35:59.000 And they keep getting fucking better. 0.99

00:36:01.000 Every year they get better. 0.98

00:36:02.000 The battery life on them is insane now.

00:36:04.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 It's just...

00:36:05.000 They charge super fast.

00:36:07.000 Super fast.

00:36:07.000 It's just like an hour's like, boom, smashed up.

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:10.000 Do you remember when those Samsung phones were making people's houses burn to the ground?

00:36:14.000 I can't watch.

00:36:15.000 Sponsored by Samsung.

00:36:17.000 Well, I say good things, I say bad things.

00:36:19.000 I'm not sponsored by anybody.

00:36:21.000 But you remember they had the Note?

00:36:22.000 I think it was the Note 7. Yeah, I was blowing up a bit.

00:36:24.000 I was blowing up.

00:36:25.000 That one got away from him.

00:36:27.000 I remember there was one guy left it in his car, his truck, and he came out to his truck on fire in his driveway and he was filming it with someone else's phone, I guess.

00:36:37.000 Didn't they specifically say on airplanes, like, if you have a Note?

00:36:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:41.000 They would basically tell you.

00:36:42.000 No, no, no.

00:36:42.000 You had to take the battery out.

00:36:43.000 You had to take the battery out.

00:36:45.000 You either couldn't travel with it or you had to take the battery out while you're traveling.

00:36:48.000 Oh yeah, if you were at a frickin' note 12, you were basically on the frickin' no-fly list, dude.

00:36:54.000 Note 7. Note 7, note 7. I don't think they're at note 12. No, they would frickin', that was not your thing.

00:36:59.000 You were not going.

00:37:00.000 Yeah, well, you know, you gotta break a few eggs if you wanna make an omelet.

00:37:05.000 Sometimes you burn a plane down.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

00:37:07.000 How many actual, yeah, I mean, how many actual sort of like incidents happened?

00:37:12.000 Let's find out.

00:37:13.000 Jamie, Google, how many houses burnt to the ground because of Samsung Galaxy Note 7?

00:37:19.000 It was really the battery.

00:37:22.000 Well, there was also, they were doing super fast charging way early on.

00:37:27.000 Oh, they were trying to do it faster than they could actually do it.

00:37:30.000 Well, iPhones are pretty conservative in that regard.

00:37:32.000 I think the iPhone's USB-C charger, I think it works at, I think it's 20 watts.

00:37:41.000 Where some of them are like 85. Oh, I don't know.

00:37:45.000 I think some of them are like 80. There's some Chinese ones that are super fast. 1.00

00:37:51.000 How do you say it?

00:37:52.000 Xiaomi?

00:37:52.000 Do you say Xiaomi?

00:37:53.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:54.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:37:55.000 I don't know how you say it.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, now some of those cameras are crazy too.

00:37:59.000 They've got like 2,000 megapixel cameras and like crazy stuff.

00:38:03.000 But it doesn't necessarily translate to better images.

00:38:05.000 So like the iPhones, it's about like image quality.

00:38:08.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 Like you don't necessarily need, yeah, you don't necessarily need the most pixels. 0.55

00:38:13.000 Like the amount of pixels that most of them have now is pretty fucking crazy. 0.64

00:38:17.000 Megapixels. 0.66

00:38:18.000 Yeah, but that's the thing.

00:38:19.000 In the future, there'll be 1,000 megapixels, and you'll be able to zoom way in.

00:38:23.000 So you'll basically, in effect, be able to see very far.

00:38:26.000 That's basically what you have with the moon thing.

00:38:29.000 It's basically almost acting like a telescope.

00:38:31.000 And so that's the thing.

00:38:32.000 In the future, if this keeps going at higher and higher resolution, you'll basically be able to see insanely far with these things, like 20 years from now.

00:38:42.000 I don't even think it's going to be that long ago.

00:38:44.000 Maybe not.

00:38:45.000 Because if you look at what you're seeing now with that Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra, which is what I used to take that moon photo, that wasn't available two years ago.

00:38:54.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:38:55.000 It's a brand new camera. 0.90

00:38:56.000 So that ability is pretty fucking recent. 0.94

00:38:59.000 Here's why Samsung Galaxy... 0.96

00:39:00.000 Okay, that was actually way worse than I thought.

00:39:03.000 It said, when the Galaxy Note 7 was recalled by Samsung in 2016, only about 100 of the 2.5 million units shipped worldwide were reported to have exploded.

00:39:15.000 Go back, please.

00:39:18.000 Hold on.

00:39:19.000 I'm still reading.

00:39:21.000 It says, that's still scarier than zero.

00:39:23.000 Okay.

00:39:25.000 Come on.

00:39:25.000 But if you're concerned about ruining your phone, there are more common issues to worry about.

00:39:29.000 Ruining my phone?

00:39:32.000 Concerned about dying? 1.00

00:39:33.000 The fuck are you talking about? 1.00

00:39:34.000 Go to that other one that you were just going to? 1.00

00:39:35.000 So concerned for that phone.

00:39:37.000 35 incidents.

00:39:38.000 But it said 100. Maybe this was in the early days.

00:39:41.000 What year was this?

00:39:43.000 Go back to that?

00:39:44.000 Same article.

00:39:45.000 Oh, the same article?

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:46.000 So why does it say 100?

00:39:47.000 I don't know.

00:39:48.000 I was trying to find that out.

00:39:50.000 It says it caught fire as many as 112 times.

00:39:52.000 It says it right there.

00:39:53.000 Right, but it says after 35 instances is when they started the recall.

00:39:56.000 And then I was trying to read through here where the 112 was.

00:39:59.000 Okay, so after 35 instances of them catching fire, they started the recall, but ultimately it was like 112 people.

00:40:06.000 Oh, jeez.

00:40:07.000 Wait, that's what it looks like?

00:40:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:40:10.000 That's wild, dude.

00:40:11.000 Oh, my God.

00:40:11.000 I don't think I've ever seen a video of it.

00:40:13.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:40:14.000 That's what it looks like? 0.99

00:40:15.000 Yeah, go back to that.

00:40:16.000 That's not real.

00:40:17.000 Not the same phone, I don't think.

00:40:20.000 But that's what it looks like when it catches fire?

00:40:23.000 Oh, phone.

00:40:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:24.000 Holy fuck. 0.99

00:40:24.000 I don't think I've ever actually seen a video of it. 0.99

00:40:27.000 That's fucking crazy as shit. 0.99

00:40:28.000 And that's just sitting on someone's desk. 1.00

00:40:29.000 That's not even plugged in.

00:40:30.000 Oh, my God. 0.97

00:40:30.000 That would be fucking terrifying. 0.97

00:40:32.000 Terrifying. 1.00

00:40:32.000 That would be fucking terrifying. 1.00

00:40:34.000 I don't know if it's just going to fucking explode. 1.00

00:40:35.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:40:36.000 Right, like, what do you do? 1.00

00:40:38.000 I would just get the fuck away from it. 1.00

00:40:40.000 I'd run the fuck away. 1.00

00:40:41.000 What the fuck are you going to do? 0.99

00:40:42.000 Interesting thing on this, the final update. 0.99

00:40:43.000 Maybe try and kick it away or like...

00:40:45.000 What do you do?

00:40:47.000 Samsung blamed the battery as of 2017. This is like an old article.

00:40:51.000 Well, no, it was a battery. 1.00

00:40:52.000 Yeah, but it's a fucking battery in their phone. 0.99

00:40:55.000 I mean, come on, guy. 0.99

00:40:57.000 It's not us. 1.00

00:40:58.000 It's a battery in your fucking phone. 1.00

00:40:59.000 I like, I don't... 0.99

00:41:01.000 They've officially explained what went wrong and identified them as the cause of the burning phones.

00:41:05.000 They got much more conservative after that.

00:41:08.000 They got much more conservative with their charging speeds and stuff.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, that's definitely crazy.

00:41:12.000 Anyway, the technology, just getting back to what we're talking about, the technology is getting to the point where you're going to be able to do a full-length feature movie on your phone easily.

00:41:22.000 I mean, look, they already have portrait mode on iPhones where it looks like a film.

00:41:28.000 Like you would be in focus, but what's behind you would be kind of blurry.

00:41:31.000 And I think they can do that with some phones with video.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, they can do that on the iPhone with video.

00:41:36.000 Portrait?

00:41:37.000 Yeah, it does the depth of field with something like video.

00:41:39.000 That's crazy.

00:41:40.000 It makes it look like a movie.

00:41:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:43.000 It's definitely insane.

00:41:45.000 And there already have been like, there's been films in like Sundance that have been entirely shot on iPhones even a couple years ago.

00:41:51.000 Isn't it wild that we want the background to be blurry?

00:41:55.000 Like that's a feature?

00:41:57.000 Well, it kind of brings the focus.

00:41:59.000 No, I understand.

00:42:00.000 I understand.

00:42:01.000 But it's like, if you see something shot on video, one of the things that makes it look cheap is that you can see everything.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 Which is odd.

00:42:08.000 It is odd that it's sort of like, I don't know.

00:42:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know why that sort of makes it look more sort of like filmic, having less...

00:42:16.000 I guess it's just more control over the information.

00:42:18.000 Well, we're also accustomed to it.

00:42:20.000 Like if you go to the movies, the film is always like you would be in focus and what's behind you would be blurry.

00:42:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:27.000 And when the focus changes, it's because you're supposed to look at what's behind you, right?

00:42:32.000 Yeah.

00:42:32.000 I mean, I'm not an actor like you.

00:42:34.000 I'm not an actor.

00:42:35.000 I'm going to have acted.

00:42:36.000 I've played basketball.

00:42:39.000 I'm not a basketball player.

00:42:43.000 What's the last time you were in a full movie or something like that?

00:42:47.000 Has it been a long time?

00:42:49.000 Yeah, here comes the boom.

00:42:50.000 More than 10 years.

00:42:52.000 Would you ever do it again?

00:42:53.000 No, I'm done.

00:42:54.000 Totally done.

00:42:55.000 I passed on some good ones.

00:42:57.000 You never just even like a small role in something?

00:42:59.000 No, no, no.

00:43:00.000 Kevin Smith offered me a nice role.

00:43:02.000 I can't.

00:43:03.000 I don't want to do it anymore.

00:43:04.000 I don't like it.

00:43:04.000 Just don't like it.

00:43:05.000 It's too time-consuming.

00:43:07.000 I don't have the time.

00:43:09.000 Financially, it's not viable.

00:43:11.000 But then there's also the actor factor.

00:43:15.000 The actor factor's big.

00:43:17.000 What do you mean?

00:43:17.000 Hanging out with actors.

00:43:18.000 Don't like them.

00:43:19.000 It's exhausting.

00:43:20.000 Don't like them, not so much.

00:43:21.000 Well, I like a lot of them.

00:43:22.000 I like, like, 20% of them.

00:43:25.000 Okay. 0.98

00:43:25.000 But the other ones are fucking exhausting. 0.98

00:43:28.000 They're just so full of shit, and they're so scared of everything... 1.00

00:43:32.000 Scared of what? 1.00

00:43:34.000 Well, their whole existence is about getting cast in things.

00:43:37.000 So they have to constantly be saying the right things and following the right progressive ideology and espousing it whenever possible to let everybody know that you're on the right team because you're worried about being cast in things.

00:43:53.000 So this is what's absolutely wrong with Los Angeles.

00:43:57.000 The entire city, whether they admit it or not, the main focus of the city is Hollywood.

00:44:04.000 The main focus is films and television. 0.95

00:44:06.000 And if you don't think that's the case, they'll shut down giant chunks of Hollywood Boulevard to film a shitty movie. 0.95

00:44:12.000 They do it all the time. 0.99

00:44:13.000 And you're like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:44:15.000 How come they get to do this and I'm in traffic because this fucking terrible movie is being made? 0.99

00:44:20.000 That would be actually super annoying. 0.99

00:44:21.000 It's super annoying.

00:44:22.000 It doesn't happen all the time, but it's annoying enough that it happens.

00:44:25.000 But that's one part of the problem. 0.99

00:44:27.000 You take people that are mostly fucked up and insecure. 0.99

00:44:31.000 That's why they want to be actors in the first place. 0.99

00:44:34.000 They need this exorbitant amount of attention.

00:44:37.000 And so then you put them in this system where you have to apply for things.

00:44:43.000 You have to try to get cast in things.

00:44:46.000 You don't just get cast in a movie.

00:44:49.000 Unless you're Leonardo DiCaprio or someone huge.

00:44:52.000 So you have to audition.

00:44:53.000 So you go into a room and you want everybody to like you, first of all.

00:44:58.000 And then after everybody likes you, then you have to perform for these people that like you.

00:45:01.000 Oh, they brought in the whiskey. 1.00

00:45:03.000 It's time to get fucked up. 1.00

00:45:04.000 Listen, people. 1.00

00:45:06.000 It's time to throw down.

00:45:08.000 I had some really old whiskey when I was in Vegas this weekend. 0.99

00:45:13.000 And I was like, this stuff is fucking incredible. 0.94

00:45:16.000 How old is that one? 0.99

00:45:17.000 They're both 18 years old?

00:45:18.000 Macallan, this sounds like the right stuff.

00:45:21.000 Oh, sweet baby Jesus.

00:45:22.000 What are you worried about?

00:45:24.000 We're just going to have one glass.

00:45:27.000 Yeah, no, I think...

00:45:29.000 You know what I'm saying though?

00:45:31.000 So the whole business is based on getting people to like you.

00:45:36.000 How many auditions did you go on?

00:45:38.000 Quite a few.

00:45:38.000 How many would you say total in your lifetime?

00:45:41.000 Just ballpark.

00:45:41.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:45:42.000 A couple hundred?

00:45:44.000 Nah, not that many.

00:45:45.000 I got really, really fortunate.

00:45:49.000 I got really, really fortunate in that when I first started out, and this is the craziest story.

00:45:56.000 It's true, I swear to God, even though it sounds nuts.

00:45:58.000 The first two things I ever auditioned for I got.

00:46:02.000 Really?

00:46:02.000 Yeah.

00:46:03.000 Yeah, the first two things I ever auditioned for I got.

00:46:05.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.97

00:46:07.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.89

00:46:08.000 So you got a part and then you did another one. 0.91

00:46:10.000 Then I got a part and the other one.

00:46:11.000 Wait, were they big, like, were they commercials or what were they for?

00:46:15.000 News Radio and Fear Factor. 0.99

00:46:16.000 Okay, those were like, wait, those were the first two fucking things. 0.98

00:46:19.000 Well, the first one that I got, I didn't even audition for. 0.98

00:46:22.000 That was a show called Hardball.

00:46:24.000 You didn't do anything before those?

00:46:26.000 No.

00:46:27.000 Are you serious?

00:46:28.000 No.

00:46:28.000 Dude, I didn't even want to act.

00:46:29.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:46:31.000 That was the best part about it.

00:46:32.000 You did nothing before news radio?

00:46:33.000 I did a show called Hardball.

00:46:35.000 And I didn't really audition for that because I had a development deal with Disney.

00:46:39.000 How did you get that?

00:46:40.000 They just cast me.

00:46:42.000 Oh, just from seeing stand-up?

00:46:43.000 I had a development deal.

00:46:45.000 Yeah, it's from stand-up.

00:46:46.000 I had a development deal.

00:46:47.000 And so I did that.

00:46:49.000 And...

00:46:51.000 How long had you been doing stand-up before that happened?

00:46:53.000 Not that long.

00:46:54.000 I did not pay my dues.

00:46:56.000 I did it like six years, which is not long.

00:47:00.000 That's not that long.

00:47:01.000 For stand-ups, that's not that long.

00:47:02.000 I mean, you're not really a stand-up until you're ten years in.

00:47:06.000 What it's like is operating on people's hearts when you're just out of a four-year college.

00:47:11.000 You don't do that.

00:47:12.000 How old were you when you got that news radio?

00:47:17.000 In my 20s.

00:47:17.000 Like, uh...

00:47:18.000 26?

00:47:20.000 27, maybe?

00:47:21.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:47:22.000 I haven't seen this before.

00:47:23.000 You haven't seen what?

00:47:24.000 This.

00:47:25.000 This promo for Hardball.

00:47:26.000 It hasn't been on YouTube, I don't think.

00:47:27.000 Wait, what was Hardball?

00:47:28.000 That was a sitcom that I was in in my 20s.

00:47:33.000 That's me.

00:47:33.000 Look at me.

00:47:34.000 That's crazy, dude.

00:47:35.000 Little sweetie.

00:47:37.000 Back in the day.

00:47:38.000 Where was that shot?

00:47:39.000 Out here in Hollywood.

00:47:40.000 So that was the first thing that I ever did as far as acting goes.

00:47:43.000 Cheers, sir.

00:47:44.000 Thank you, sir.

00:47:46.000 My point is, I got very lucky.

00:47:48.000 What do we got here?

00:47:50.000 Delicious.

00:47:51.000 Scottish.

00:47:52.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:54.000 It's great.

00:47:55.000 You don't like it?

00:47:58.000 Oh my lord.

00:47:59.000 Come on bro, settle in.

00:48:02.000 So the point is, that system is crazy, and I got very fortunate that I didn't really have to be a part of that system.

00:48:09.000 I snuck in.

00:48:11.000 I snuck in with this hardball show, and because of the hardball show, they let me audition for news radio.

00:48:17.000 I got news radio.

00:48:20.000 And then Fear Factor was right after that.

00:48:23.000 I think maybe I auditioned for like a thing or two in between that I didn't get.

00:48:27.000 That's crazy.

00:48:28.000 How long did you do Fear Factor for?

00:48:29.000 Six years.

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:31.000 And then when I was done with that...

00:48:32.000 News Radio was like six years?

00:48:33.000 Five years.

00:48:34.000 So I was like, I'm out.

00:48:35.000 I'm out.

00:48:36.000 Totally done.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, it's like...

00:48:38.000 It's too much...

00:48:41.000 It's not necessarily the best thing to do for stand-ups.

00:48:46.000 Because it's good in that people get to see you and that you develop an audience, but it's not good in that you become part of that system where you have to be very liberal.

00:48:59.000 And I am very liberal.

00:49:00.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:49:01.000 But you have to be.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:04.000 There's a bunch of things that you have to set.

00:49:06.000 Sure.

00:49:07.000 Like, you know, you want trans women competing because they're regular women. 0.99

00:49:11.000 You want them competing against women in sports. 1.00

00:49:13.000 You have to say that.

00:49:14.000 Even if it doesn't make any sense.

00:49:16.000 Even if you're like, but what about that UPenn swimmer who's like 38 seconds faster than all the other women? 1.00

00:49:21.000 Shut up. 0.99

00:49:22.000 Don't be a bigot. 1.00

00:49:23.000 That kind of thinking is what happens in Hollywood.

00:49:25.000 And it's not because they really think that way.

00:49:27.000 It's because they're terrified that they step outside the lines and they'll be, you know, oh, he's another Scott Baio or something.

00:49:35.000 Even Chris Pratt gets in trouble because he's Christian.

00:49:38.000 I saw that he was the worst Chris for a while. 0.99

00:49:41.000 Bro, he is the nicest fucking guy I've ever met in my life. 0.98

00:49:44.000 I mean, I've met people equally nice. 0.97

00:49:47.000 What were people...

00:49:47.000 I don't know.

00:49:48.000 Honestly, I just saw something where it was just like, worst Chris or something. 0.99

00:49:51.000 I don't give a fuck what they're thinking. 1.00

00:49:53.000 They're all insane people that hate their jobs or sitting in front of the cubicle when their boss isn't looking. 1.00

00:49:58.000 They're tweeting bad things about Chris Pratt.

00:50:00.000 It's definitely interesting how the power of people, though, that can kind of blow up something that's sort of like, you know, Just maybe not that big of a deal and it becomes a big deal because...

00:50:12.000 That's a nice way to put it.

00:50:13.000 What it is is a bully pile-on.

00:50:14.000 That's what it is.

00:50:15.000 You see someone being vulnerable and you could snipe at them and you don't have any repercussions and they're not in front of you, so you attack the guy.

00:50:22.000 He hasn't done nothing.

00:50:24.000 I honestly have no idea what the thing is.

00:50:26.000 The people are even like, I don't know anything about it.

00:50:29.000 Chris Pat is one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

00:50:32.000 He's genuinely friendly.

00:50:33.000 I've been in hunting camp with him.

00:50:35.000 He's nice to everybody.

00:50:36.000 To the ladies that work in the kitchen. 1.00

00:50:39.000 Where were you guys hunting?

00:50:40.000 Elk.

00:50:41.000 Where?

00:50:42.000 In Utah.

00:50:43.000 That's crazy.

00:50:43.000 So you just went to a camp for a weekend or something?

00:50:47.000 Yeah, for a week.

00:50:48.000 That's interesting.

00:50:49.000 Did you get an elk?

00:50:50.000 Yes, I did.

00:50:51.000 That's interesting.

00:50:52.000 And he did too.

00:50:53.000 But my point is, I've seen him interact with people.

00:50:57.000 Sure.

00:50:58.000 He sits at these cafeteria-style tables with everybody, with people from all walks of life.

00:51:02.000 He's super normal.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:04.000 And I've been around him multiple times like that.

00:51:07.000 He's a super kind, super normal guy.

00:51:10.000 It'll be interesting.

00:51:11.000 It's fun, too.

00:51:11.000 He's a fun guy to be around.

00:51:12.000 I'm excited to see that Mario movie.

00:51:14.000 Did you see that?

00:51:15.000 No.

00:51:17.000 I'm pretty sure he's the voice of Mario.

00:51:19.000 Oh, the voice.

00:51:20.000 I thought you were saying he's going to be a live-action Mario.

00:51:23.000 No, no, I'm pretty sure it's all animated.

00:51:27.000 He's, you know, what else has he done other than the Guardians of the Galaxy?

00:51:32.000 He's got something else.

00:51:33.000 It's Jurassic Park.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:35.000 No, he's in the new Jack Carr series that they're doing for Amazon.

00:51:41.000 Do you know what that is?

00:51:43.000 Jack Carr, he's got these amazing books about this character, James Reese, this Navy SEAL James Reese, a really great thriller, action book.

00:51:54.000 Like a Tom Clancy type?

00:51:56.000 Yeah, very similar.

00:51:57.000 Like a Jack Reacher type thing.

00:51:59.000 But this guy, James Reese, is his primary character, and he's being played by Christopher.

00:52:04.000 That's for like Amazon or something like that.

00:52:07.000 Anyway, the point is, he's one of the rare guys.

00:52:09.000 It's like, he's kind of outside the lines in terms of his ideology.

00:52:14.000 He's a Christian.

00:52:15.000 Oh, sure.

00:52:16.000 And he's pretty open about it.

00:52:17.000 And because of that, they attack him.

00:52:18.000 It's something so simple.

00:52:20.000 Like, he just believes in Jesus, and he likes to be a good person.

00:52:26.000 Sure, sure, sure. 1.00

00:52:26.000 And they're like, fuck him! 1.00

00:52:28.000 It's definitely, it's an interesting time and I think it's, I don't know, I think it's just going to keep getting weirder and weirder as these sort of like technologies and like people, you're like mixing like massive, you know, populations with these technologies in ways where we don't even understand technology. 0.99

00:52:46.000 Like, what the fuck we're doing?

00:52:48.000 You're also mixing people that are shut-ins, that don't have good social interactions. 1.00

00:52:53.000 And the virus now, they've been inside for fucking a year. 0.99

00:52:56.000 They don't have to be, like, vetted out in terms of, like, if you're working with people, right, on a daily, and this one guy's annoying as fuck, like, you just avoid him. 0.99

00:53:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.95

00:53:06.000 And then he can't get hired because he's annoying.

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 But if that guy's online, that guy interacts with everybody all day long. 0.96

00:53:11.000 And there's so many accounts where you go and look at their Twitter page and you realize, like, this is a mentally ill person. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Or it's just a fucking bot. 1.00

00:53:18.000 It's just a troll or it's some bot or it's some, like, bullshit like that. 1.00

00:53:21.000 Or, yeah, it's just somebody who's, like... 1.00

00:53:22.000 Mentally ill. 0.72

00:53:22.000 There's more mentally ill people, but there are a lot of bots, for sure. 0.72

00:53:25.000 And I think there's a lot of people who just feel shitty and they're, like, having a bad day and they just fucking go online and, like, go, fuck you. 1.00

00:53:31.000 And, like, they just put a shitty comment because they're having a shitty day. 0.99

00:53:34.000 And so it's sort of like...

00:53:35.000 But that's where I don't... 0.97

00:53:37.000 Like, I kind of look at that shit and it's sort of like, when you do something, that says way more about you and what's going on in your life. 0.98

00:53:44.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

00:53:45.000 That has nothing to do with, like, me. 0.99

00:53:46.000 Like, if you could just go on and are, like, being a dick and, like, just trying to spread shittiness, like, I don't know. 0.98

00:53:53.000 And I think if people looked at it that way, they wouldn't be so affected by it. 0.98

00:53:56.000 That it's sort of like...

00:53:57.000 Feel sorry for those people because it's like that person's not in a good place.

00:54:01.000 If you're literally like getting up and like...

00:54:03.000 You're not having a great day.

00:54:06.000 That's not like...

00:54:07.000 Of course.

00:54:07.000 You're not having an awesome day.

00:54:08.000 It goes without saying.

00:54:09.000 Yeah, these are not healthy people.

00:54:11.000 If you go and look at...

00:54:12.000 If you're a person that's just spreading venom, emotional venom and poison all day long, that's all you're doing.

00:54:20.000 There's things in life that should annoy you.

00:54:22.000 There's things in life that should piss you off.

00:54:24.000 But not all things.

00:54:26.000 Like, if that's what you're really...

00:54:27.000 Your concentration is entirely on negative things, it says more about you. 0.99

00:54:31.000 If this is what your jam is, your jam is going online and shitting on things and being mean to people, I gotta think most likely something's fucked up with you. 1.00

00:54:40.000 Yeah, no, you're not living a great life. 0.99

00:54:42.000 And, like, those people are not, like...

00:54:45.000 They're hurting themselves, and so that's why they're spreading that stuff.

00:54:49.000 And I think sometimes people are quick to not recognize that and take offense to it.

00:54:55.000 It's hard to do.

00:54:57.000 It is hard.

00:54:57.000 I will say it's very hard when you see it because it's directed at you.

00:55:00.000 It makes it seem like it's about you when it's like, okay, that's really not about you. 0.58

00:55:04.000 That's about that person is in a shitty place mentally, and they're spreading that.

00:55:08.000 It's just hard for someone to recognize when you're the receiving end of it.

00:55:12.000 100%.

00:55:13.000 That's easier said than done.

00:55:14.000 When you see something, especially if it cuts in and it's like, oh, that's true, and they say something about you, you're like, goddammit, that is something that I could work on or I could change.

00:55:23.000 Well, that's the good aspect of it.

00:55:26.000 It's like a little bit of snake venom.

00:55:29.000 Yes.

00:55:30.000 Like a little bit of snake venom is probably good for you.

00:55:33.000 He knows it.

00:55:33.000 Yes.

00:55:34.000 That's what I always say, that it's sort of like getting a little bit of that kind of like negative sort of like, I don't know.

00:55:41.000 I'm going to have to stop you from saying like.

00:55:43.000 Like.

00:55:43.000 You're saying a few too many likes for my taste.

00:55:46.000 Have you noticed, Jamie?

00:55:47.000 It's a bit of an issue.

00:55:48.000 Oh.

00:55:51.000 I'm not as accomplished speaking.

00:55:54.000 I'm definitely...

00:55:54.000 You don't have to be.

00:55:55.000 Your art's awesome.

00:55:56.000 It's this. 0.98

00:55:56.000 I'm fucking all... 0.98

00:55:57.000 Oh, you have one half a baby sip of this McAllen 18-year-old scotch? 0.99

00:56:02.000 Are you drinking this entire thing?

00:56:04.000 Yeah, I'll drink the entire thing.

00:56:04.000 I would literally be, like, frickin' on the ground.

00:56:07.000 I'm gonna take one actual drink.

00:56:09.000 Listen, you're fine.

00:56:09.000 Let me hear it.

00:56:10.000 You're fine.

00:56:11.000 I am, uh...

00:56:12.000 Oh, my God.

00:56:13.000 I enjoy alcohol.

00:56:15.000 I think it's good for you.

00:56:16.000 It's not good for your body, but I think it's good for you.

00:56:19.000 Overall, I think there's a net positive effect.

00:56:22.000 How often do you?

00:56:23.000 I just take IV vitamin drips, and I do a lot to recover.

00:56:28.000 From drinking?

00:56:30.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 I don't drink a lot, but I drink a little often.

00:56:36.000 What's in the bag, bro?

00:56:37.000 What's in the bag?

00:56:38.000 No, the bag.

00:56:39.000 What's in the bag?

00:56:39.000 This is what I wanted to bring you.

00:56:43.000 Is it a towel?

00:56:44.000 No, that is a... 0.99

00:56:46.000 It says medium adult anus. 0.99

00:56:50.000 A 3.5 inch fully dilated regular butthole. 0.99

00:56:55.000 That's what it really says.

00:56:58.000 I'm not making this up.

00:57:00.000 That is a pair of underwear to sort of put on before the box.

00:57:05.000 The contents of this box are entirely visually pleasing and have been known to cause a loss of normal bowel function. 0.96

00:57:13.000 Adult onset pants shitting.

00:57:16.000 Please make sure this disposable underwear is properly fastened prior to opening the box for the first time. 1.00

00:57:26.000 Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you? 0.99

00:57:27.000 I'm going to shit myself? 1.00

00:57:29.000 And I don't understand how this says medium adult anus. 0.99

00:57:33.000 Is this just underwear? 0.93

00:57:35.000 It's underwear. 0.93

00:57:36.000 But why does it say medium adult anus? 0.99

00:57:38.000 You know, your anus is just like a small hole. 0.99

00:57:41.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:57:42.000 I was just assuming you were a medium.

00:57:45.000 Are you not medium?

00:57:46.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:57:47.000 I have a big ass. 0.99

00:57:49.000 I don't think I'll fit in these. 1.00

00:57:51.000 Bro, you want to try to kill my balls? 1.00

00:57:53.000 These are so small. 1.00

00:57:55.000 It's cute, though.

00:57:57.000 So those are the underwear that you are supposed to put on before opening the box.

00:58:02.000 I'll let you open the box.

00:58:04.000 I'm nervous now.

00:58:06.000 I gotta say, that's a first.

00:58:10.000 It says Beeple Spring Summer Collection 2021. Oh, shit. 0.99

00:58:16.000 Okay, I should open this like this. 0.99

00:58:20.000 Can you get it with that camera, maybe?

00:58:22.000 Yeah, I'm going over top.

00:58:24.000 Okay.

00:58:27.000 So this is wild.

00:58:30.000 Is this an NFT? So this is from the spring collection that I released this year.

00:58:36.000 And so yeah, this is the sort of like physical and an NFT sort of like goes with it.

00:58:41.000 Is that Elon Musk as a Hulk?

00:58:43.000 Dig it, Chad.

00:58:44.000 Yeah.

00:58:44.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:58:45.000 With a little, that dogecoin?

00:58:48.000 Yeah, the dogecoin dog.

00:58:51.000 Wow.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, so this is sort of like something that we built in our sort of like studio this last year.

00:58:59.000 And you sort of like, that comes out.

00:59:01.000 Should I turn it that way?

00:59:01.000 That'd be better?

00:59:01.000 Yeah.

00:59:02.000 You can still kind of see it pretty much as it is.

00:59:04.000 So then it like comes out and you can like kind of like put that on the like, put the...

00:59:10.000 You hear all the likes coming out of your mouth?

00:59:14.000 Put the screen on the stand there, and the stand lights up.

00:59:25.000 And so this is just the box.

00:59:27.000 It's the light box?

00:59:29.000 This is just the box.

00:59:31.000 Jesus Christ, that's an amazing visual.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, no, it definitely...

00:59:36.000 Elon's going to see this and hit the gym.

00:59:37.000 He's going to be like...

00:59:38.000 I gave one to, like, Kimball and him.

00:59:41.000 Yeah?

00:59:41.000 Yeah, yeah, I met him in Basel last week.

00:59:44.000 Oh, no shit. 0.98

00:59:45.000 Yeah, no, it's definitely... 1.00

00:59:46.000 It's been a crazy year.

00:59:48.000 This is super cool.

00:59:49.000 And what is this thing on this side of it?

00:59:51.000 What is that?

00:59:52.000 So that's the bass.

00:59:53.000 That's the, like...

00:59:55.000 The base that you put the screen on.

00:59:59.000 Oh, so you pull this out?

01:00:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:02.000 You pull both of them out.

01:00:03.000 And so you pull that out, too.

01:00:07.000 And so there's cords behind that.

01:00:09.000 Dude, this is so dope.

01:00:10.000 And then it lights it.

01:00:11.000 So if you pull out that cord bag, too.

01:00:13.000 So then this, too.

01:00:16.000 Pull that out.

01:00:17.000 That's a hair sample.

01:00:20.000 That's a hair sample?

01:00:21.000 From who?

01:00:22.000 From me.

01:00:25.000 You have a hair sample?

01:00:27.000 There's a hair sample in there.

01:00:28.000 What are you supposed to do with the hair sample?

01:00:29.000 So it goes on the base there.

01:00:32.000 On the base.

01:00:33.000 Where?

01:00:34.000 On the other side.

01:00:34.000 That's where it plugs in.

01:00:37.000 It plugs into the base.

01:00:38.000 Here, do you want me to grab it real quick?

01:00:40.000 Is it plugging back here?

01:00:42.000 That's what kind of...

01:00:44.000 This goes like this.

01:00:46.000 Okay.

01:00:47.000 And then this goes on that.

01:00:49.000 And then it like plugs in on the like back here.

01:00:52.000 Okay.

01:00:52.000 Take these cords and like here.

01:00:54.000 And when it plugs in, it just lights up?

01:00:56.000 Is that the idea?

01:00:56.000 Okay.

01:01:00.000 For folks listening, what we have here is a...

01:01:05.000 Well, it's interesting.

01:01:07.000 It looks like a glass or some sort of plexiglass.

01:01:12.000 Yeah, some sort of a plastic...

01:01:16.000 Like a mini iPad that has this beautiful image of a jacked Elon Musk in his underwear.

01:01:26.000 I think it's probably more effort than it's worth to put this in while we're doing the show.

01:01:34.000 Good?

01:01:35.000 Alright, perfect.

01:01:36.000 Ta-da! 1.00

01:01:37.000 And what is this little cord here?

01:01:38.000 This one, this extra one?

01:01:40.000 That just plugs into the back of the, like, screen there.

01:01:43.000 Oh, okay.

01:01:44.000 And what does that do?

01:01:45.000 It just powers the screen.

01:01:47.000 The screen has, like, a battery, but then over time it'll, over a couple hours.

01:01:52.000 So there.

01:01:53.000 Ta-da! 1.00

01:01:54.000 There you go.

01:01:55.000 There we go.

01:01:56.000 Oh, and now it's black and white somehow.

01:01:58.000 It's, like, going through, like, kind of, like, a loop showing the, like, sort of, like, image and kind of, like, how the image was made and sort of kind of a little bit of the, like, kind of behind the scenes.

01:02:07.000 Pretty dope.

01:02:08.000 And what is this Q code?

01:02:10.000 So that goes to, like, my site, and you can kind of see the other people who own this.

01:02:14.000 So this is, on the back, you can see how it's signed.

01:02:16.000 It says 60 out of 100. So there's only 100 of these that exist.

01:02:20.000 And so you've got the, like, number 61 and, like, Who's got number 69?

01:02:26.000 I'm not sure who has number 69, but somebody bought number 69 because they wanted to have that one.

01:02:32.000 That's very dope.

01:02:33.000 Thank you very much.

01:02:34.000 That's super cool.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, so this is sort of one of a few different pieces that were released in spring, and this was one of the everydays that sort of day.

01:02:44.000 Okay, cool.

01:02:45.000 Well, thank you very much.

01:02:47.000 That's awesome.

01:02:47.000 I appreciate that.

01:02:48.000 Very dope.

01:02:49.000 I'll put that right there.

01:02:50.000 I don't know if we can keep it on the desk because it needs a lot of attention.

01:02:54.000 It does.

01:02:55.000 It's something that definitely sort of like draws you in, but it can be a lot.

01:03:02.000 I think it should be right in front of you, Jamie, like right there.

01:03:06.000 Is that right there?

01:03:07.000 That's not too bad.

01:03:08.000 I have plugs for it.

01:03:09.000 That would work, right?

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 No, we'll keep it here for now, but then after the show.

01:03:14.000 It's a big thing.

01:03:15.000 It's pretty dope.

01:03:15.000 Thank you very much.

01:03:16.000 Very cool.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, I appreciate it.

01:03:18.000 So how long do you think you're going to keep doing this?

01:03:20.000 Is this a lifetime project?

01:03:22.000 Probably the rest of my life.

01:03:24.000 Really?

01:03:24.000 Every day?

01:03:25.000 One a day?

01:03:26.000 We've got to see it through at this point.

01:03:28.000 Wow.

01:03:28.000 We've got to see it through at this point.

01:03:29.000 See it through to the end.

01:03:31.000 On your deathbed.

01:03:33.000 Hold on. 1.00

01:03:34.000 Before you put me in the suicide pod.

01:03:37.000 Have you seen those suicide pods they have now?

01:03:40.000 You ever seen that?

01:03:42.000 Suicide pods?

01:03:43.000 Yeah, I think some European country has developed an actual suicide pod.

01:03:49.000 And you climb into this thing when you want to end your life.

01:03:53.000 And it's designed to peacefully send you into the next realm.

01:03:58.000 Jesus.

01:03:59.000 And what does it do?

01:04:00.000 I'm not sure.

01:04:01.000 I just saw the headline.

01:04:02.000 I didn't read into it.

01:04:02.000 That's it right there.

01:04:03.000 It looks dope though, doesn't it?

01:04:05.000 Maker of Suicide Pod plans to launch in Switzerland. 0.99

01:04:08.000 That's fucking disturbing. 0.98

01:04:10.000 It is, but, I mean, what do you want to do, live forever? 0.98

01:04:13.000 No, no, I mean, it definitely...

01:04:16.000 If you're 95 years old and you're dying of cancer, isn't that a way to go?

01:04:19.000 It's definitely a way to go, I will say that.

01:04:21.000 If there is the time when you need to get into the pod, you probably know when it's time.

01:04:26.000 Look at that.

01:04:27.000 No, no, scroll down, please.

01:04:28.000 Look at that.

01:04:28.000 Assisted suicide, which somebody's given the means to end their own life, is legal in Switzerland.

01:04:32.000 About 1,300 people died there that way in 2020. Listen, I don't think there's anything wrong with suicide at the end of life.

01:04:42.000 If, like, the idea that people are supposed to suffer but your dog isn't.

01:04:46.000 You know, my dog Johnny Cash, I miss him terribly and I love him to death.

01:04:50.000 He was, um, 13, which is 14. Was very old for a mastiff.

01:04:58.000 And he couldn't walk. 1.00

01:04:59.000 And it was the saddest shit ever. 0.99

01:05:02.000 I had to carry him. 0.99

01:05:02.000 How long ago was this? 0.99

01:05:06.000 He's been dead for two or three years, I think.

01:05:11.000 Almost three years.

01:05:14.000 I had to carry him outside.

01:05:17.000 So in the morning, he would be in his little...

01:05:21.000 There was like a mudroom where his food was, and he would generally sleep there because his dog bed was there.

01:05:30.000 And in the morning, I'd have to carry him. 1.00

01:05:33.000 And he was a big-ass fucking dog. 1.00

01:05:34.000 I was the only one that could carry him. 1.00

01:05:36.000 He was like 140 pounds.

01:05:37.000 And I'd have to walk with him outside and then set him down in the grass.

01:05:42.000 140 pounds? 1.00

01:05:42.000 Jesus fucking Christ, that is massive. 1.00

01:05:45.000 And he was a Mastiff. 1.00

01:05:46.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:05:47.000 And so then he would struggle to go to the bathroom because his hips would hold him. 1.00

01:05:51.000 How long did you guys have him?

01:05:52.000 14 years.

01:05:53.000 Jesus.

01:05:54.000 That's old for a Mastiff. 0.98

01:05:56.000 That is crazy.

01:05:58.000 Little dogs can live a long time.

01:05:58.000 How long did you have to do carrying him like that?

01:06:01.000 I did it for a while.

01:06:02.000 Like years?

01:06:03.000 No, no, no.

01:06:04.000 It was several months and it was just...

01:06:07.000 It was one of those things where I was like, I didn't want to do it, but I knew he had...

01:06:14.000 I didn't want to just go out there and watch him suffering, like moaning and dying slowly.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:20.000 But he was...

01:06:21.000 For the kids, like...

01:06:22.000 He couldn't see anymore.

01:06:23.000 He had cataracts.

01:06:24.000 Yeah.

01:06:24.000 So his eyes had gotten...

01:06:26.000 They'd gotten gray and glossed over.

01:06:30.000 It was rough.

01:06:31.000 That's crazy.

01:06:32.000 The only thing that helped the kids is that we had Marshall at the same time, who was our dog that we have now.

01:06:39.000 He was young, so they could still play with Marshall.

01:06:43.000 What kind of dog is that?

01:06:45.000 He's a golden retriever.

01:06:47.000 How old is that dog now?

01:06:49.000 He's five.

01:06:50.000 He just turned five.

01:06:51.000 He had a birthday the other day.

01:06:52.000 So the kids like the dogs, and do they care for the dogs?

01:06:55.000 Because that's the thing. 0.99

01:06:55.000 I don't want to fucking pick up poop. 0.99

01:06:57.000 I'm not fucking picking up poop. 0.99

01:07:00.000 Do you pick up the dog's poop? 0.99

01:07:02.000 I have, for sure.

01:07:04.000 I hire people to do it now. 0.99

01:07:05.000 My kids are fucking old enough. 0.99

01:07:08.000 It's like, I don't want to fucking pick up poop. 0.99

01:07:10.000 I just don't want to pick up poop of another thing. 0.99

01:07:12.000 Well, you know, there's worse things in this world, bro.

01:07:16.000 That's true. 0.99

01:07:16.000 I only shit like a couple times a day. 0.99

01:07:17.000 That's true. 1.00

01:07:18.000 It's a minute out of your day.

01:07:20.000 And you're like, I can't.

01:07:22.000 I don't have the time.

01:07:22.000 I'm busy making digital art.

01:07:24.000 I'm making non-fungible tokens.

01:07:28.000 It's not busy.

01:07:29.000 It's just, I don't know.

01:07:30.000 It smells.

01:07:30.000 Do you have a dog?

01:07:31.000 I'm like, everybody has a dog.

01:07:33.000 Like, I'm definitely recognized.

01:07:34.000 I'm the only person on earth who doesn't have a dog.

01:07:37.000 But if that's the thing that's holding you back, you made $100 million this year, bro. 0.81

01:07:39.000 Hire someone to clean your poop.

01:07:41.000 People need jobs. 0.55

01:07:42.000 You contribute to the economy.

01:07:43.000 That's true.

01:07:44.000 Someone comes over if you have a decent-sized yard.

01:07:47.000 It's no big deal.

01:07:48.000 It's true.

01:07:48.000 That's fair.

01:07:49.000 Yeah, it's not that bad.

01:07:51.000 I don't know.

01:07:51.000 We didn't grow up with a dog.

01:07:52.000 Did you grow up with a dog?

01:07:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:54.000 See, my wife and I, neither of us grew up with a dog.

01:07:57.000 It's definitely like...

01:07:58.000 It's a lot of work.

01:07:59.000 It's a lot of work.

01:08:00.000 To the outside, to somebody who did not grow up with a dog, it's like kids are...

01:08:04.000 My kids are five and eight now, so it's sort of like...

01:08:07.000 Yeah, but if you had a puppy, oh my god, they would love it.

01:08:09.000 Oh god, don't.

01:08:09.000 You're killing me here, dude.

01:08:11.000 You're killing me here. 0.97

01:08:11.000 Do you have a yard? 0.97

01:08:12.000 A good-sized yard?

01:08:13.000 No, it's very small.

01:08:13.000 Where do you live?

01:08:14.000 In Charleston.

01:08:16.000 Very, very small.

01:08:16.000 North Carolina?

01:08:17.000 South Carolina.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 Oh, well, if you have a small yard, you're off the hook.

01:08:22.000 Because you really need a yard.

01:08:23.000 It's pretty small.

01:08:24.000 I have a buddy who has a couple dogs, and he has a very small yard. 0.99

01:08:28.000 And so he's got to walk his dogs to go shit. 0.99

01:08:31.000 And then he has to pick it up in a bag. 0.99

01:08:33.000 And I'm like, that's a bummer.

01:08:35.000 Then he's got to carry it back.

01:08:36.000 He can't just let his dogs out and then they run around the yard and have fun.

01:08:40.000 He can't throw the ball in his yard.

01:08:42.000 Dogs need some space.

01:08:43.000 They need space.

01:08:45.000 And if you don't have space, you've got to take them places.

01:08:47.000 Well, then you kind of feel bad, too, that it's sort of like, what am I doing?

01:08:50.000 I got this, like, big dog, and I've got, like, this, like, tiny area that I'm sort of, like, keeping it in.

01:08:55.000 Like, that's not, like, a thing.

01:08:56.000 But I could see getting, like, a small dog at some point.

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:08:59.000 Maybe I need to...

01:09:00.000 They're great.

01:09:02.000 Take the dive here.

01:09:03.000 Yeah, but if you don't want to, you don't have to.

01:09:06.000 It's definitely...

01:09:07.000 I don't know.

01:09:07.000 It's just...

01:09:08.000 I feel like it's another thing that...

01:09:11.000 I don't know.

01:09:12.000 The kids, for me, are enough.

01:09:14.000 I feel like...

01:09:15.000 Oh, it's a lot of work.

01:09:15.000 Yeah.

01:09:16.000 No, it's definitely a lot of work.

01:09:18.000 Dogs are a lot of work.

01:09:18.000 And they chew things up.

01:09:20.000 And sometimes...

01:09:20.000 One of my dogs chewed through an electric cord once and almost died.

01:09:26.000 Jesus.

01:09:27.000 Yeah, they'll chew through the cords and get electrocuted.

01:09:30.000 What was the cord to?

01:09:31.000 It just doesn't matter.

01:09:32.000 They just bite things. 0.99

01:09:33.000 They're dogs. 1.00

01:09:34.000 They don't know what the fuck electricity is. 1.00

01:09:36.000 I barely do. 0.98

01:09:38.000 That's fair.

01:09:39.000 That's fair.

01:09:40.000 I don't know, man.

01:09:40.000 I love dogs.

01:09:42.000 If I lived without a dog, I would feel weird.

01:09:45.000 Do you take them on the hunting trips and stuff like that?

01:09:47.000 No, no, no.

01:09:48.000 My dog now, he is, like I said, he's a golden retriever.

01:09:51.000 And they are bird hunting dogs.

01:09:53.000 They're really good for that.

01:09:54.000 They love to retrieve things.

01:09:56.000 They love to bring things back.

01:09:57.000 Sure.

01:09:57.000 And they were sort of bred to retrieve and retrieve when they hunt.

01:10:02.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 You shoot a bird and the bird falls out of the sky and the dog brings it back to you.

01:10:07.000 Yeah, all my friends back in Wisconsin, like, haunt. 0.99

01:10:09.000 Like, pretty much I'm the only person who's like, okay, fucking weirdo, digital freaking art goon. 0.97

01:10:14.000 Like, everybody else haunts, like, 100%. 0.97

01:10:17.000 Well, there's nothing wrong with being a digital art goon.

01:10:19.000 You're contributing to society.

01:10:21.000 It's amazing work.

01:10:22.000 But it's not a bad thing also to do different stuff, to do other things as well.

01:10:28.000 I'm not very well-rounded.

01:10:29.000 Like, I'm not...

01:10:31.000 I don't have many other interests outside this stuff.

01:10:35.000 Does it bother you that you're not well-rounded?

01:10:37.000 No.

01:10:38.000 Then it's fine.

01:10:38.000 Yeah, it's definitely one of these things.

01:10:41.000 Sometimes I feel like I wish I had more things that I was interested in.

01:10:45.000 You've got all the working out.

01:10:48.000 It seems like you have a lot of interests.

01:10:50.000 I wish I had less things I'm interested in.

01:10:53.000 I really do.

01:10:54.000 I would like to have multiple versions of me that can run several different lives simultaneously.

01:11:00.000 Because I've often thought, like, if I decided, if I went out of, if I had a moment where I could say, alright, this is what I'm going to do and only this, how much How much further could I get in that?

01:11:16.000 And there's something about one solitary pursuit where there's some sort of benefit in focusing all your attention.

01:11:26.000 Like, look how far you've gotten with your digital art.

01:11:28.000 I do multiple things simultaneously.

01:11:30.000 The only thing that helps me is that these things Definitely feed off of each other.

01:11:36.000 The podcast and stand-up work together.

01:11:39.000 100%.

01:11:40.000 They have synchronicity.

01:11:41.000 They work together.

01:11:42.000 And then the UFC, it benefits for me doing the podcast and benefits for me doing stand-up because when I talk in front of millions of people live during the broadcast, I'm not nervous.

01:11:56.000 I'm so accustomed to talking.

01:11:58.000 You seem totally fine.

01:11:59.000 It's no different than talking right now, which is no different than me talking.

01:12:03.000 Like we were talking before, right?

01:12:05.000 Before the show, when I first met you, it's the same as now.

01:12:08.000 It's because I do it so often.

01:12:10.000 So they work together.

01:12:11.000 But I have a deep fascination with so many different things.

01:12:16.000 Sure.

01:12:17.000 I have like multiple things that I'm really interested in that I'd like to pursue all day long.

01:12:20.000 You seem like you're very curious about a lot of different things.

01:12:23.000 But I think, yeah, like you said, all these things sort of like feed into each other together.

01:12:27.000 That it's sort of like the same demographic of a lot of these things.

01:12:32.000 Or similar demographics that sort of like are all kind of like interested in these, you know, various different things.

01:12:38.000 But if you were going to focus on one thing, what would that thing be?

01:12:41.000 Or is it just too hard to like sort of like pick one?

01:12:44.000 Other than the things that I already do?

01:12:46.000 Yeah, is there one of those things that you're most sort of like excited about?

01:12:49.000 Or they're all kind of like equally sort of like interesting to you?

01:12:52.000 Like you have so many things going.

01:12:53.000 I wonder how you sort of like decide to sort of like spend your time.

01:12:57.000 Well, there's obligations.

01:12:58.000 Like, I have obligations with stand-up to perform on a regular basis, because if you don't, you get out of shape, and then write on a regular basis, because if you don't, your act gets stale.

01:13:06.000 So there's obligations to do that.

01:13:09.000 If I had to do one thing, if I had to abandon everything and just do one, it would be stand-up.

01:13:12.000 Stand-up.

01:13:13.000 I would say I'm just going to abandon everything else and just do stand-up.

01:13:16.000 That's the most sort of, like, kind of, like, pure, like, sort of, like, thing that you're most...

01:13:20.000 It's a pure exchange, right?

01:13:23.000 Because if you put the most amount of effort into the work and you go on the road a lot and you tighten up your act and you get it to where it's a great show.

01:13:36.000 The people are enjoying it.

01:13:38.000 They pay and they enjoy it.

01:13:39.000 They leave this great feeling.

01:13:40.000 It's a real good exchange.

01:13:43.000 You know, it is for me, like if I go to see a stand-up, like say if I go to see like, you know, Mark Norman or something like that, let me give you for an example, Ari Shafir or Tim Dillon, someone's really funny.

01:13:55.000 If I go to see them live, if I paid money to see them live and laugh my ass off for an hour and a half, I walk out of there, I feel really good about the exchange.

01:14:03.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:14:04.000 I feel really good about the fact that I'm supporting them.

01:14:06.000 I go to see them.

01:14:08.000 They obviously put a lot of effort into their act, and it comes off in this great act.

01:14:12.000 And it's organic.

01:14:16.000 It works.

01:14:19.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:14:20.000 It just feels like a sort of common sort of language that you're speaking.

01:14:25.000 And I feel that way about podcasts, too.

01:14:27.000 I mean, it's like...

01:14:28.000 You're doing something.

01:14:30.000 You're putting out this audio and video conversation.

01:14:35.000 You're doing your best to make it interesting and to make people sync up to it so they can follow the way you're thinking and you have an enjoyable conversation.

01:14:45.000 Point of view.

01:14:46.000 And you develop this relationship with these people that are listening.

01:14:49.000 It's very positive.

01:14:51.000 What are the podcasts that you really like?

01:14:54.000 I like Radio Lab.

01:14:56.000 It's a very good podcast.

01:14:59.000 It's very interesting.

01:15:00.000 What's it about?

01:15:02.000 All kinds of things.

01:15:04.000 All kinds of things.

01:15:05.000 It's very heavily produced, like sound effects and edits.

01:15:10.000 There's a lot going on with it.

01:15:14.000 Listen to a bunch of my friends' podcasts like Tim Dillon.

01:15:19.000 Bridget Phetasy has a couple of great podcasts.

01:15:22.000 Ari Shaffir's got a great podcast.

01:15:25.000 There's a lot of podcasts I subscribe to.

01:15:27.000 And then I just like look at my phone and go, what am I going to do today?

01:15:30.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:15:31.000 Do you listen to any of those like murder, true murder things? 1.00

01:15:35.000 I don't like that shit. 1.00

01:15:36.000 I'm not interested. 1.00

01:15:37.000 I'm not a girl.

01:15:39.000 Girls are really interested in true crime shows. 1.00

01:15:42.000 I don't know why, right?

01:15:44.000 It's kind of a universal truth. 0.98

01:15:45.000 To me, it's very fucking creepy. 0.94

01:15:47.000 It's like, this is a person who actually died. 0.98

01:15:49.000 I don't know.

01:15:50.000 It's kind of like you're getting entertainment from hearing how this person died.

01:15:54.000 People like him, people like him, whatever.

01:15:56.000 It's very popular.

01:15:57.000 It's definitely people like him.

01:15:59.000 But to me, it's just very like, I don't know. 0.99

01:16:01.000 That's kind of creepy as fuck. 1.00

01:16:03.000 Well, I think for women, they want to know, because most murders are created by men. 1.00

01:16:08.000 And I think women want to know what the fuck men are capable of. 1.00

01:16:13.000 And I think for them, it's like, what? 1.00

01:16:15.000 It could be part of it.

01:16:16.000 And it's also part of, like, women traditionally, and this is a gross generalization, ladies, it's not a stereotype, I'm just...

01:16:24.000 This is just saying.

01:16:24.000 Oh boy, here we go.

01:16:25.000 Here we go.

01:16:26.000 Women traditionally have been in hunter-gatherer communities. 0.99

01:16:29.000 They have been responsible for gossip.

01:16:32.000 And there's a place for gossip. 0.89

01:16:34.000 It's actually important.

01:16:35.000 And gossip is to make sure that people are held to a certain moral standard that the community accepts.

01:16:43.000 That's true.

01:16:44.000 And then to find out who's stepping outside of those lines and who's doing things wrong and what girls you can't trust because they're sleeping around with all different guys' men. 1.00

01:16:52.000 And what men you can't trust because they're lying about this and lying about that.

01:16:57.000 It's like a little morality police.

01:17:00.000 Yes, but that's their job.

01:17:01.000 That's why they're so chatty, right?

01:17:03.000 That's the job of women in these small hunter-gatherer societies is to sort of keep everybody in line and find out what's going on. 1.00

01:17:14.000 And I think because of that sort of affinity for gossip, they're attracted to these murder mystery shows like, oh, and then what did he do?

01:17:22.000 We do.

01:17:22.000 Well then, he hid the body in a steel drum and like...

01:17:28.000 So, women love those shows. 1.00

01:17:30.000 I know so many women. 1.00

01:17:32.000 I know a lady who does one of those. 1.00

01:17:34.000 She actually does one of those. 1.00

01:17:35.000 One of my wife's friends.

01:17:36.000 She does a... 0.91

01:17:37.000 Does a voice or whatever? 1.00

01:17:37.000 No, she has a fucking podcast. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

01:17:39.000 A murder mystery podcast. 1.00

01:17:40.000 It's all about murders.

01:17:42.000 And I'm like, why?

01:17:43.000 Like, why are you into murders?

01:17:45.000 Those true crime podcasts are very popular with women.

01:17:48.000 Like, I don't know how you can listen to that for like an hour and then you're like, I'm just gonna go pick my kids up or go like...

01:17:55.000 I don't think they have a problem with it at all.

01:17:56.000 They love it.

01:17:56.000 I know.

01:17:57.000 But it's just sort of like... 0.92

01:17:59.000 It's kind of fucked up how...

01:18:01.000 Integrating that into a normal day and you're like, literally, I'm just going to spend an hour hearing the gruesome details of an actual murder. 0.95

01:18:09.000 It's like... 0.95

01:18:10.000 But like literally shit tons of people that it's like what they do. 0.95

01:18:13.000 It's a common thing. 0.97

01:18:15.000 Very, very popular.

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 Let's Google this.

01:18:19.000 When it comes to demographics for true crime podcast, let's find a true crime podcast and find out what percentage of the people that listen are female. 0.99

01:18:31.000 That would be interesting to know.

01:18:33.000 That would be interesting to know.

01:18:35.000 Yeah, because this podcast is predominantly male.

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.000 But it's not on purpose.

01:18:41.000 Honestly, almost all of mine are the same, too.

01:18:45.000 I can see on Instagram, it's like 80% male as well. 1.00

01:18:49.000 When you have a bunch of giant dicks with jizz coming out of them attached to missile silos. 0.99

01:18:53.000 Weirdly attracts dudes. 0.99

01:18:54.000 Weirdly attracts dudes. 0.99

01:18:56.000 Predominantly female. 0.99

01:18:57.000 Look at this.

01:18:58.000 Previous studies have shown the True Crime podcast audience is predominantly female, 73%.

01:19:03.000 That is bananas.

01:19:04.000 And that listeners tune into podcasts to seek entertainment for convenience and to avoid boredom while women are attracted to the true crime genre because they are drawn to female protagonists. 0.84

01:19:17.000 Oh, interesting.

01:19:18.000 I don't know if that's true.

01:19:20.000 Because they listen to these true crime...

01:19:23.000 It's not just domestic abuse stuff.

01:19:27.000 They listen to murders, like men murdering men.

01:19:31.000 Yeah.

01:19:32.000 What is that?

01:19:32.000 What do you...

01:19:32.000 Did we just pull up a paper?

01:19:33.000 This is the paper that that...

01:19:35.000 Fundamentally different stories that matter, the true crime podcast and the domestic violence survivors in their audience.

01:19:41.000 Okay, well this is one.

01:19:43.000 That makes sense if it's women that are reading about men who've murdered women and try to get away with it. 0.79

01:19:50.000 Because that's like every woman's worst fear is that she hooks up with a man and she winds up having a relationship with him and then he murders her.

01:19:59.000 Or doesn't even hook up with her.

01:20:01.000 She meets a man somewhere and he murders her. 0.77

01:20:04.000 Women worry about men murdering them. 1.00

01:20:06.000 Yeah, that's not real.

01:20:08.000 That's real.

01:20:09.000 It's a difference between what men worry about.

01:20:12.000 Men worry about women pretending that they like them and stealing all their money. 0.97

01:20:18.000 It's definitely a different level of concern.

01:20:20.000 It is definitely a different level of concern that women necessarily have to have. 1.00

01:20:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:28.000 Like, that's not, like, for no reason, to be quite honest.

01:20:31.000 I think that's why they are attracted to True Crime Podcasts.

01:20:35.000 I think they want to know, if they get a database, you know, they get a baseline, get to read a bunch of different stories about all these things, then they'll kind of recognize patterns.

01:20:46.000 Right.

01:20:46.000 But do you think that will make people, like, subjecting themselves to this, like, information?

01:20:50.000 Because those are such outlier sort of, like, cases. 0.95

01:20:52.000 Do you think that's gonna, like, fuck with people's heads over time? 0.92

01:20:56.000 Because they're kind of, like, immersed in this world of murder when murders are insanely rare. 0.99

01:21:01.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:02.000 There's, you know, it's really not a super huge chance that you're gonna get murdered, just statistically.

01:21:08.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

01:21:09.000 You sound like a guy who's ready to get murdered. 0.99

01:21:11.000 Right? 0.99

01:21:12.000 Not even thinking ahead.

01:21:14.000 That's okay. 0.99

01:21:15.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:21:15.000 They lured me to fucking Austin. 1.00

01:21:17.000 What is this? 1.00

01:21:19.000 You fucking goddamn sons of bitches. 1.00

01:21:21.000 Is this murder juice? 1.00

01:21:22.000 It's 18 year old scotch. 1.00

01:21:24.000 Full on fucking murder juice. 1.00

01:21:26.000 Highland single malt scotch. 1.00

01:21:27.000 What do you got here?

01:21:28.000 That's another single malt scotch.

01:21:31.000 Is this normally what you drink, though?

01:21:34.000 It seemed like this was not normally what you drink.

01:21:35.000 No, I had some of it in Vegas this weekend.

01:21:38.000 I went to a delicious restaurant.

01:21:41.000 I can't recommend it enough.

01:21:42.000 It's called Bizarre Meats.

01:21:44.000 It's at the Sahara.

01:21:46.000 Super good?

01:21:47.000 Oh my god, it's so good.

01:21:48.000 They use these Argentine grills.

01:21:51.000 The head chef is Jose...

01:21:55.000 How do you say his last name?

01:21:56.000 Jose Andres?

01:21:58.000 A-N-D-R-E-S? Is that how you say his name?

01:22:02.000 He's a very famous chef and he's got this restaurant in the Sahara where they cook over live oak fires and they have those Argentine grills.

01:22:12.000 So it's on a crank.

01:22:13.000 So they raise and lower the grill, and then they have the fire roaring underneath it.

01:22:19.000 So this is how they cook in Argentina, how they cook meat.

01:22:21.000 Oh, it's so good, man.

01:22:22.000 What kind of meat was it?

01:22:24.000 Steaks.

01:22:25.000 So this is how they...

01:22:26.000 Is that the restaurant?

01:22:28.000 See if you can show if they have any images of the way they cook, because that's just as exciting.

01:22:34.000 So when you walk into the place, they have this...

01:22:37.000 You kind of would have to see the images of the way it's worked.

01:22:42.000 Actually, go to Grillworks.

01:22:44.000 This is a better...

01:22:46.000 Yeah, see, keep clicking to the right.

01:22:48.000 Maybe they'll show you the steak setup.

01:22:51.000 You cook pretty often, don't you?

01:22:52.000 Oh my god, I'm a fiend.

01:22:54.000 I cook constantly.

01:22:55.000 Just go to Grillworks.

01:22:57.000 Is it usually just grilling stuff, or is there other stuff that you cook, too?

01:23:00.000 Yeah, I cook other stuff.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, but I like grilling.

01:23:02.000 Grilling's my favorite.

01:23:03.000 And smoking.

01:23:04.000 I like smoking.

01:23:05.000 I've smoked some brisket.

01:23:07.000 And is this mostly stuff that you've hunted, or just all different stuff from wherever?

01:23:10.000 Yeah, mostly stuff that I've hunted.

01:23:12.000 But I do cook domestic beef, too.

01:23:16.000 I try to keep it grass-fed and grass-finished.

01:23:23.000 Go to grillworks.com and you can see.

01:23:26.000 Okay, so this is the company that supplies them.

01:23:28.000 That's it.

01:23:28.000 That's a good example.

01:23:30.000 That's an Argentine grill.

01:23:31.000 Yeah, so see those cranks?

01:23:33.000 See the wheel?

01:23:35.000 You spin the wheel and it goes up and down depending upon which way you choose to make it go.

01:23:40.000 And you raise and lower the grill depending upon the temperature of the fire underneath it.

01:23:46.000 But the idea is to cook over live wood.

01:23:48.000 And when you do that, when you're cooking over live wood, you get this really amazing smoky flavor.

01:23:55.000 Go to my Instagram and you see that images of me cooking over it.

01:24:00.000 I have one of those.

01:24:01.000 I have one from another company called Sonterra, but it's a style of cooking where you're cooking over hardwood, and so you get all this smoky flavor in the meat.

01:24:12.000 And so when I was there, I was like, what do you got for old scotch?

01:24:17.000 Let me try some old scotch.

01:24:19.000 Sure.

01:24:19.000 And they had this 27-year-old single malt scotch.

01:24:21.000 I wish I remembered the name of the company, but it was fucking incredible. 0.97

01:24:25.000 It's so smooth. 0.99

01:24:26.000 That's crazy.

01:24:27.000 What were you in Vegas for?

01:24:28.000 UFC fights.

01:24:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:30.000 How often are those fights per year?

01:24:33.000 Like, how many fights per year are there approximately?

01:24:34.000 Almost every weekend there's fights.

01:24:36.000 So, like, 50 or something like that per year?

01:24:38.000 Yeah, pretty close.

01:24:39.000 And you are at all of them?

01:24:40.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:24:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:42.000 I do 10 a year now.

01:24:44.000 Oh, okay.

01:24:44.000 I'm down to 10 a year.

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:46.000 Maybe even less because of the pandemic.

01:24:48.000 So this, see that's it.

01:24:50.000 So I'm cooking, that's a regular steak.

01:24:54.000 And so see how it works there?

01:24:56.000 There's a wheel and you crank the wheel to go up and down.

01:24:59.000 But that smoke is like going into the flavor of the, you know, it's filling the meat with flavor.

01:25:06.000 It has a very distinct flavor when you cook over smoke like that, over fire, hardwood fires.

01:25:11.000 Sure, sure.

01:25:12.000 It's incredible. 0.87

01:25:12.000 I fucking love it. 0.87

01:25:14.000 It's my absolute favorite way to cook. 0.98

01:25:15.000 The easiest way to cook and the most convenient and probably the best is like a Traeger grill to have like a pellet grill because you can control the temperature much better. 0.89

01:25:24.000 This is like if you're a dork and you want to spend a ton of time. 0.92

01:25:29.000 What is that, Jamie? 0.97

01:25:30.000 Their Instagram page has some sweet...

01:25:32.000 Oh yeah, their photography is incredible.

01:25:34.000 What kind of like pellet things do you usually use for it?

01:25:36.000 Oh, different hardwood pellets like Apple.

01:25:39.000 This company Grillworks, that's like the Rolls Royce of these kind of grills.

01:25:44.000 They're as good as they get.

01:25:47.000 Like look at that rig.

01:25:48.000 That's pretty sweet.

01:25:50.000 That's a complicated one that someone's got installed in their backyard.

01:25:55.000 I'm going to be honest, I know nothing about grilling.

01:25:57.000 It's super interesting.

01:25:58.000 I never cook.

01:25:59.000 At all?

01:26:00.000 Honestly, my wife grills more than I do. 0.87

01:26:03.000 Like, she literally will like...

01:26:04.000 Does your wife peg you at all?

01:26:07.000 You know, I knew that was going to be the absolute next question.

01:26:11.000 As soon as I said my wife grills, I'm like, okay, next question. 1.00

01:26:16.000 Does your fucking wife... 1.00

01:26:21.000 That's fair. 1.00

01:26:22.000 It's fair.

01:26:23.000 I open myself up to that, to be full honest.

01:26:26.000 You left it open, fella.

01:26:27.000 That was definitely the next question.

01:26:29.000 There it is.

01:26:30.000 There it is.

01:26:31.000 That's a no.

01:26:34.000 I don't expect you to answer, honestly.

01:26:35.000 That's where I say I'm not, like, well-rounded.

01:26:37.000 Like, I just, like, I don't.

01:26:39.000 You don't have to be. 1.00

01:26:40.000 I'm like a baby besides anything other than this fucking weirdo shit. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Yeah, but you do that so well, and you do it every day. 1.00

01:26:46.000 Look, the world needs all kinds of people.

01:26:49.000 That's true.

01:26:51.000 And the thing is, like, when I talk about different things, I don't think that anybody should do what other people are doing.

01:26:59.000 I think you should do what you want to do.

01:27:01.000 Yeah.

01:27:02.000 But just do something.

01:27:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:03.000 The real problem in life is people that don't do anything.

01:27:06.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:27:07.000 You don't want to just be a consumer.

01:27:08.000 You want to be a participant.

01:27:11.000 And so many people, they allow themselves to be relegated to the role of a consumer.

01:27:17.000 To only be a consumer. 0.97

01:27:19.000 Well, I think these things, that's where the algorithms fucking feed you and they fucking keep you just kind of like... 0.96

01:27:25.000 Yeah, but you don't have to do that. 0.97

01:27:26.000 No, you don't, but it sucks people in, and that's where I think it makes it easier to not do anything.

01:27:32.000 It certainly does. 0.98

01:27:33.000 I think it distracts you from actually fucking doing something, because you get that tiny little dopamine hit that just keeps scrolling, keeps doing nothing, keeps looking at this, keeps consuming. 0.95

01:27:43.000 It's setting us up for the Matrix, right? 0.95

01:27:45.000 And this is what Zuckerberg's trying to do with meta.

01:27:47.000 He's trying to jump ahead of it.

01:27:49.000 He's trying to get in on it before anybody else gets in on it. 1.00

01:27:51.000 You can be an avatar and you can have fun and I will put a device attached to your penis and it will give you pleasure. 1.00

01:27:58.000 That's what's going to happen. 1.00

01:27:59.000 I do not remember him saying you put a device attached to my penis. 1.00

01:28:03.000 Do you hate me and do you wish I sucked your dick? 1.00

01:28:04.000 Well, I will in the meta. 1.00

01:28:06.000 And then it's like Mark Zuckerberg's animated head blowing you and you have this device on you.

01:28:13.000 Is this in my meta or your meta?

01:28:15.000 Anybody's meta.

01:28:16.000 You can choose to. 1.00

01:28:18.000 You can choose, shut up, Mark, and suck my dick. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Gladly. 1.00

01:28:21.000 And he just gets on his knees.

01:28:22.000 He takes a small sip of water like this, like he did when he testified in front of Congress.

01:28:26.000 And he gets on his knees and he doesn't care.

01:28:29.000 It's not really him. 0.50

01:28:30.000 He's got a giant head and a small, gelatinous body with mushy limbs. 0.94

01:28:38.000 And he just expands when you jizz and do them. 0.85

01:28:45.000 I'm going to make a picture of that.

01:28:46.000 I will make a picture of that.

01:28:48.000 We need a video.

01:28:48.000 A video?

01:28:49.000 Okay.

01:28:49.000 I will try and make a video of that.

01:28:51.000 Him moving in with his little tiny lips, moving in towards your cock. 1.00

01:28:54.000 People can do this. 1.00

01:28:55.000 I don't need to do it.

01:28:56.000 Somebody can do this better than me.

01:28:59.000 Don't be copping out.

01:29:00.000 Don't be copping out.

01:29:01.000 No, I'll do it.

01:29:02.000 I will do it.

01:29:03.000 It's your destiny.

01:29:04.000 I will do it.

01:29:04.000 It is definitely...

01:29:05.000 Okay, so he's on the ground.

01:29:07.000 Somebody's in a chair?

01:29:08.000 Like, what kind of chair?

01:29:09.000 Like, a medical chair?

01:29:10.000 Like, a dentist chair?

01:29:11.000 Like, what are we talking about?

01:29:12.000 Like, a gynecologist sort of set up. 0.99

01:29:15.000 Like, your legs are strapped into some sort of a harness, and you have a cock ring on, and he comes in. 0.99

01:29:22.000 Okay, you're getting pegged, yes or no? 0.99

01:29:24.000 No! 0.99

01:29:24.000 He comes in to blow you. 0.99

01:29:25.000 Okay, he comes in to blow you. 0.99

01:29:27.000 And he's like a tiny, he's got a big head, but his body is sort of gooey. 0.98

01:29:31.000 Like an alien.

01:29:32.000 And it fills up like a balloon.

01:29:34.000 Like this.

01:29:35.000 Okay, that fills up with the jizz.

01:29:37.000 Which is what I think we're going to look like.

01:29:38.000 I think this is our future.

01:29:40.000 And I think that's what's going to happen in the meta.

01:29:42.000 It's going to slowly bring us to that reality.

01:29:46.000 Whereas time goes on and we evolve.

01:29:48.000 How many years still were that?

01:29:50.000 That's a good question.

01:29:51.000 It depends on how much CRISPR gets involved.

01:29:54.000 When you talk about genetic engineering, how much that gets involved.

01:29:58.000 Because if what's going on in there supplants the need for this body, the physical monkey body that we all have, Then I think we'll get on board sooner than later.

01:30:10.000 I still think it's a ways out.

01:30:12.000 I still think until we're like super jacked with sort of like biological technology like that, I still think it's at least 50 years. 0.99

01:30:19.000 Yeah, until you're just like, fuck it, I want to look like that. 0.99

01:30:21.000 What is this? 1.00

01:30:22.000 Wow, look at that.

01:30:23.000 Yeah, that looks like aliens.

01:30:24.000 Rock out at VR concerts.

01:30:27.000 Feel alive.

01:30:28.000 What is that quote?

01:30:29.000 Feel alive in an audio-visual joyride in the comfort of your home.

01:30:34.000 Feel alive.

01:30:35.000 So what I'm showing you is HTC Vive's VR headset that doesn't have controllers and it's wireless.

01:30:46.000 Oh, it's just your hands?

01:30:47.000 It's only tethered to a phone.

01:30:48.000 What do you think about VR? Do you like VR? I'm fascinated by it.

01:30:52.000 But what about your hands?

01:30:54.000 It just tracks them, I'm assuming.

01:30:55.000 I don't think it even does that.

01:30:57.000 That's why you have to have the phone attached to it.

01:30:59.000 Oh, I see.

01:31:00.000 Right.

01:31:00.000 But, I mean, what if you're going to do one of the boxing games?

01:31:03.000 This is not for that.

01:31:05.000 So this is why I was...

01:31:06.000 Oh.

01:31:07.000 This is for a different experience on VR that's not gaming.

01:31:10.000 Oh, just kind of like watching stuff.

01:31:12.000 Oh, well, that's cool.

01:31:14.000 It's close to sunglasses, too, where they're almost see-through. 1.00

01:31:17.000 That's pretty dumb. 0.98

01:31:19.000 It looks so light. 0.98

01:31:20.000 But you were holding up the alien head, and I was like, that looks like the alien's eyes.

01:31:24.000 It really does.

01:31:24.000 Well, that's probably what the eyeballs are, those things.

01:31:28.000 It's getting better.

01:31:29.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:31:30.000 It's VR goggles.

01:31:31.000 Easy phone pairing.

01:31:32.000 Look at that girl. 1.00

01:31:33.000 She's all Sat Nam. 0.95

01:31:34.000 She's all Namaste. 1.00

01:31:36.000 This seems like that's something you wouldn't want to do.

01:31:38.000 They're like, do yoga with those on.

01:31:40.000 Like, why would you want to have that on while you're doing it?

01:31:42.000 Because she's a freak. 1.00

01:31:43.000 Look at this.

01:31:43.000 Serenity happens when our senses are free to explore.

01:31:46.000 See, feel, and play to your heart's delight. 1.00

01:31:48.000 Or, just actually do that, you fuck. 1.00

01:31:52.000 Serenity does not happen when you're connected to the Matrix. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Jesus Christ, did we not learn from Keanu Reeves?

01:31:58.000 Now, are you excited for that new one?

01:32:00.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

01:32:01.000 Are you?

01:32:02.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:32:03.000 Definitely.

01:32:04.000 Those other ones were crazy.

01:32:06.000 So good.

01:32:07.000 I'm all in.

01:32:07.000 No, those were crazy.

01:32:09.000 I remember seeing that first one. 1.00

01:32:11.000 I was a freshman in college, and it was just like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:32:15.000 Honestly, that was the only one that was good. 0.97

01:32:17.000 The first one?

01:32:18.000 Yeah.

01:32:19.000 I liked the second one, too.

01:32:20.000 It was okay.

01:32:22.000 It was crazy graphics, too.

01:32:23.000 That scene where he's spinning and there's a billion guys jumping on him. 0.98

01:32:27.000 That was crazy shit nobody had done. 0.98

01:32:30.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:32:31.000 Visually.

01:32:31.000 But don't you think there was a bit of a drop-off in the way you felt about the completeness of the narrative and the film and the whole thing?

01:32:39.000 It wasn't as like... 0.98

01:32:41.000 I mean, the first one, like, if it was just that one, like, it ended in a way where it was just like, fucking boom, like, mic drop, fucking insane. 0.97

01:32:49.000 Yeah, it was insane. 0.98

01:32:50.000 It was really good.

01:32:51.000 It was also a unique concept in that we kind of thought it was coming.

01:32:56.000 Like, if you think about the future...

01:32:59.000 If you think about human beings and our relationship to technology, and when you go back to that film, what was The Matrix?

01:33:08.000 I think it was 1999. 1999?

01:33:10.000 Yeah, no, I was a freshman. 0.96

01:33:11.000 I remember walking outside after watching that, and it was like, oh my god, is fucking reality real? 0.99

01:33:17.000 I was fucked up. 1.00

01:33:19.000 It was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:33:21.000 It's kind of crazy if you think about 1999, too. 0.99

01:33:23.000 Technology was in its infancy.

01:33:25.000 Oh yeah, this was like, I got into college, and it was like, oh, I've got broadband internet. 0.99

01:33:28.000 What the fuck? 0.96

01:33:29.000 I can download any MP3. You know what they should do? 0.99

01:33:32.000 What they should do instead of all this Matrix 4 shit? 0.99

01:33:35.000 They should redo the Matrix with new technology. 0.99

01:33:38.000 Like they redo Spider-Man.

01:33:40.000 They just did a thing I saw with Unreal Engine.

01:33:43.000 Oh. 0.99

01:33:43.000 Oh my god, it is fucking crazy as shit, dude. 0.99

01:33:47.000 There's an Unreal with, oh my god, it is insane. 0.99

01:33:50.000 With the Matrix?

01:33:50.000 Yeah, with the Matrix.

01:33:51.000 Oh, you gotta pull that up.

01:33:52.000 It's called The Matrix Awakens.

01:33:53.000 It's technically a tech demo.

01:33:56.000 It's not quite a game show.

01:33:57.000 It's running on PS5 and Xbox One.

01:33:59.000 It is insane. 0.99

01:34:00.000 It is fucking insane. 0.99

01:34:02.000 It looks so good. 0.99

01:34:03.000 You've drank that whole scotch now.

01:34:04.000 You're a little lit.

01:34:05.000 You feeling it?

01:34:07.000 Look at this.

01:34:08.000 Hi, I'm Thomas Anderson.

01:34:10.000 Instead of Y... This is actually like the whole thing.

01:34:11.000 Oh, it's Keanu?

01:34:13.000 That's him.

01:34:13.000 See, that's, I think, him.

01:34:14.000 If you scroll forward a bit, yeah, then it like...

01:34:17.000 To, like, not him.

01:34:18.000 Oh, so that's digital?

01:34:20.000 That's a digital version.

01:34:20.000 Whoa!

01:34:22.000 The uncanny valley has been crossed. 0.98

01:34:25.000 No, no, it's insane, like, the video that they have, like, it's like, okay, video games are about to get, like, yeah, that's fucking video game. 0.88

01:34:33.000 Wow, it's so close now. 0.86

01:34:37.000 My god, it's so close.

01:34:39.000 It's getting better and better all the time.

01:34:42.000 Ooh, 67 Camaro, nice.

01:34:45.000 Maybe 68. This is amazing.

01:34:48.000 Yeah.

01:34:49.000 It's so good.

01:34:50.000 Yeah, like, look at that.

01:34:52.000 That's, like, real time.

01:34:53.000 That's a video game now. 1.00

01:34:54.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:34:56.000 That's amazing. 0.99

01:34:57.000 The representations of the humans, they're so good now.

01:35:02.000 Yeah, and all of the, like, lightings, the shot.

01:35:06.000 I mean, it's just, like, they're able to, like, just do anything.

01:35:09.000 Well, this is where the future is.

01:35:11.000 The future is in the expansion of this.

01:35:12.000 There's what it looks like at night.

01:35:13.000 Wow.

01:35:14.000 That's gorgeous.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:15.000 The expansion of the capabilities of these engines.

01:35:19.000 And we've highlighted the Unreal Engine, the newest Unreal Engine.

01:35:24.000 There's a scene where, I don't know if you've seen the scene, where they're outside in the canyons.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:29.000 The girl climbing up the lake mountain in the canyon.

01:35:31.000 It's insane.

01:35:32.000 It's insane. 1.00

01:35:32.000 Yeah, look at this shit. 1.00

01:35:33.000 It's so crazy. 1.00

01:35:34.000 Well, this is near and dear to your heart, right?

01:35:36.000 Because this is the kind of stuff that you work with.

01:35:37.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:35:38.000 And that's where I kind of came up, seeing video games getting better and better.

01:35:44.000 Even as a little kid, it's like, oh, Mario 2 looks better than Mario 1, and the next one looks better, and then Mario 3D, and then Quake and Wolfenstein, and holy shit, this is getting crazier and crazier and crazier.

01:35:55.000 And then to be able to make those things now is just insane, seeing where it came from.

01:36:02.000 When they're younger, in particular, I used to love taking them to animated movies.

01:36:07.000 And it's like, many of those movies are very fun, even for adults, like The Incredibles and stuff like that.

01:36:12.000 But what's really incredible, and what's really enjoyable to me, was just seeing how far the technology had gone.

01:36:20.000 And so, let me think of films like Despicable Me.

01:36:26.000 Yeah.

01:36:26.000 Despicable Me is a great example.

01:36:28.000 It's fun.

01:36:29.000 It's a kid's movie.

01:36:30.000 But when you're watching it, you're looking at this and you're going, Jesus, this technology is incredible.

01:36:35.000 The animation is so expressive and the shadowing and with the light source, the way they're reacting to a single light source.

01:36:44.000 Emotion, yeah.

01:36:44.000 When you see these scenes out in the streets, you're seeing the shadows that are representative of the sun in the particular place that it is in the sky.

01:36:54.000 Yep.

01:36:54.000 I'm taking all this in while I'm watching that.

01:36:56.000 My kids are just enjoying the movie, I'm assuming.

01:36:58.000 They're little kids.

01:36:59.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:37:00.000 But I'm just blown away by the technology itself.

01:37:03.000 It's crazy because it's really limited by your imagination.

01:37:08.000 You can literally just do anything you can think of at this point.

01:37:13.000 And it's sort of like...

01:37:14.000 It's crazy to see...

01:37:17.000 Like, where that's going to go.

01:37:18.000 Like, it's very hard to sort of, like, picture looking back 20 years from now and us looking at the stuff like we look at 20 years ago, how it looks so primitive and so, like, simple.

01:37:29.000 Like, it's hard to imagine how it could even sort of, like, get better from here because it's already so sophisticated.

01:37:34.000 I guess it's got to get better, right?

01:37:36.000 Of course it will definitely get better, but it's, like...

01:37:38.000 How much better can it get?

01:37:40.000 And what is going to happen, do you think?

01:37:42.000 Do you think it's going to be immersive, like AI-type situation?

01:37:47.000 I mean, how far out are you thinking?

01:37:48.000 I think the next big thing is going to be AR. That it's sort of in the next maybe 10 years, people are going to have AR glasses, and you're going to see all kinds of crazy shit. 0.98

01:37:56.000 And it'll be just like the phone where it's super addictive. 0.92

01:37:59.000 Everybody has it. 0.95

01:38:00.000 They don't fucking leave the house without their AR glasses. 0.99

01:38:03.000 And it's really super easy where you can look up and see the weather and all this shit overlaid. 0.99

01:38:08.000 Maybe that's going to happen before genetic engineering. 0.93

01:38:14.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:38:14.000 That'll be like 10 years from now.

01:38:16.000 So every man will look gorgeous.

01:38:18.000 Every man will look like Chris Hemsworth.

01:38:20.000 And every woman will look perfect because you have the AR on. 1.00

01:38:23.000 Filter.

01:38:24.000 You know how women wear makeup to look better? 1.00

01:38:26.000 Yep.

01:38:26.000 We're just going to wear AR so everyone will look better.

01:38:29.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:38:30.000 I could choose how you look.

01:38:31.000 Yes.

01:38:32.000 You could choose how your partner looks.

01:38:34.000 It's sort of like, I haven't seen their actual face in 20 years because I have an AR filter on that I've been using for the last 20 years.

01:38:42.000 Right.

01:38:42.000 Or you change it or whatever.

01:38:44.000 Just staple it right to your fucking eyebrows. 1.00

01:38:45.000 There's going to be a lot of fucking weird shit like that because everybody will be able to be in their own reality. 1.00

01:38:50.000 You like dogs. 1.00

01:38:51.000 It'll be like, oh, I want dogs everywhere I go.

01:38:53.000 And so, like, you see dogs.

01:38:55.000 Right, right.

01:38:56.000 Like, that's what makes me happy.

01:38:58.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 And so it's like, dogs follow me around.

01:38:59.000 And it's sort of like, or zombies.

01:39:01.000 Dude, it's going to be, like, crazy. 1.00

01:39:03.000 Like, everybody's going to be in their own fucking reality with this shit. 1.00

01:39:06.000 Undoubtedly. 1.00

01:39:07.000 Undoubtedly, it's going to get more and more immersive.

01:39:09.000 What's going on, Jay?

01:39:09.000 Do you think people are going to have a new level of distracted driving?

01:39:13.000 Yeah.

01:39:14.000 Nah, by this time, they'll have the, like, sorted.

01:39:17.000 Yeah, they'll have that, like, sorted, I think.

01:39:19.000 Autonomous cars are coming.

01:39:20.000 I mean, I have a Tesla, the new one, the S, the Plaid. 0.99

01:39:24.000 The fucking driving thing is incredible. 0.97

01:39:26.000 It's even better than the older ones. 0.99

01:39:28.000 It's complicated.

01:39:29.000 It's hard to get to, though.

01:39:31.000 It's like what he did was put everything on a yoke.

01:39:35.000 So with the plaid, the steering wheel is this yoke, and the horn is not the center.

01:39:41.000 Like some guy cut right in front of me.

01:39:43.000 I was like, Jesus, I tried to hit my horn.

01:39:44.000 Wait, this is the S? Yeah.

01:39:45.000 Okay.

01:39:46.000 The S plaid, the new one.

01:39:47.000 It's a button, and you got to go like this to get to the horn.

01:39:50.000 Don't like it.

01:39:51.000 Don't like where the button is.

01:39:53.000 Love the car.

01:39:54.000 The car's a genius piece of tech. 0.84

01:39:57.000 But the horn sucks. 0.98

01:40:00.000 It sucks where it is. 0.99

01:40:01.000 It's not in the center. 0.99

01:40:02.000 It should be in the center.

01:40:03.000 All horns should be right there. 0.89

01:40:05.000 That's where the horn is.

01:40:06.000 But that's not where...

01:40:06.000 How do you get to the self-driving thing?

01:40:09.000 Isn't it through the menus or some shit? 0.65

01:40:10.000 Yeah, it's on there.

01:40:11.000 You can double-press this thing when you get to this thing and see it scroll.

01:40:14.000 It's just weird.

01:40:15.000 Much more complicated than the old way.

01:40:16.000 The old way, you double-pumped this stem.

01:40:20.000 Have you ever had any weird, like, do anything weird, or is it always just...

01:40:24.000 I always have my hands on it. 1.00

01:40:25.000 I don't trust that bitch. 1.00

01:40:26.000 I always have my hands on that, but I'll hold it for someone and watch. 1.00

01:40:30.000 Like, look, look what I can do.

01:40:31.000 I don't have to drive.

01:40:32.000 Does it totally make turns?

01:40:33.000 Will it make a full turn or is it more lean?

01:40:36.000 It stops at red lights.

01:40:36.000 It does everything.

01:40:37.000 Totally driving.

01:40:38.000 It's wild.

01:40:38.000 Yeah.

01:40:39.000 It does wild stuff now.

01:40:41.000 But I don't trust it.

01:40:43.000 I just want to hold on.

01:40:45.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:40:46.000 Well, you're supposed to hold on.

01:40:47.000 Definitely.

01:40:47.000 I don't think they're definitely recommending you to not.

01:40:49.000 Some people go to sleep. 0.99

01:40:50.000 I've seen some of that stuff where people do crazy shit. 0.99

01:40:52.000 Sleeping on the highway. 0.99

01:40:54.000 I could not imagine that. 0.99

01:40:55.000 I can't fucking... 0.99

01:40:57.000 Have you ever driven a Tesla? 0.99

01:40:59.000 I don't think I've actually driven a Tressa.

01:41:01.000 I've driven in them, but I don't think I would. 0.97

01:41:03.000 There's no fucking way I could sleep, though. 0.96

01:41:04.000 What are you talking about? 0.99

01:41:05.000 My car has some level of self-driving something.

01:41:09.000 What do you have? 1.00

01:41:09.000 It's just a total piece of shit, like Camry or something. 1.00

01:41:12.000 Why do you have a Camry? 1.00

01:41:13.000 You have $100 million you made this year.

01:41:15.000 Get a real car.

01:41:15.000 I bought a Camry since I made all that money.

01:41:17.000 What is wrong with you? 0.99

01:41:19.000 I don't give any shit about cars. 0.99

01:41:20.000 Yeah, but those are not safe. 0.99

01:41:23.000 No, they're not safe.

01:41:24.000 I should get a better car that's safer.

01:41:26.000 No, wait.

01:41:26.000 I shouldn't say that.

01:41:26.000 They're probably safer than old cars, which is what I like.

01:41:29.000 But they're not safer than new, good cars.

01:41:32.000 Here's the thing.

01:41:32.000 It's not slick.

01:41:33.000 It's not fun. 0.99

01:41:34.000 No, it's garbage. 0.97

01:41:34.000 If you want to get a Toyota, get a Lexus. 0.97

01:41:37.000 Lexuses are amazing.

01:41:38.000 They make an amazing car.

01:41:39.000 No, I need to get a better car that's kind of safer.

01:41:43.000 Lexus?

01:41:43.000 Tell them Lexus sedans.

01:41:45.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:45.000 They're so smooth.

01:41:47.000 Pretty nice.

01:41:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:41:48.000 I've had three Lexus trucks over the course of the years.

01:41:52.000 They're the greatest cars I've ever owned.

01:41:55.000 Toyotas never break.

01:41:57.000 They're so good.

01:41:58.000 They're so good at their longevity.

01:42:01.000 Wait, Lexus is Toyota?

01:42:02.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:42:04.000 Lexus is the luxury branch of Toyota.

01:42:08.000 Okay, I'm getting a Lexus.

01:42:09.000 They're the best.

01:42:10.000 They don't break. 0.99

01:42:11.000 They don't fuck up, man. 0.97

01:42:12.000 Yeah, that's why we got the Camry. 0.99

01:42:14.000 I've had cars for 300,000 miles, multiple cars.

01:42:17.000 The Toyota, you definitely can.

01:42:19.000 I have a 95 Toyota Land Cruiser that I had rebuilt that I love.

01:42:24.000 I love it.

01:42:24.000 I love Toyotas.

01:42:25.000 I just think that they're so well made.

01:42:28.000 They concentrate so much, particularly the Land Cruiser line, they concentrate so much on reliability, dependability, and durability.

01:42:39.000 Wait, what's a Land Cruiser?

01:42:40.000 Like an SUV? Yeah, it's an SUV. And the 95, which is what I have, is the 80 series, which is a legendary SUV because it...

01:42:53.000 They use them a lot overseas.

01:42:56.000 They use them in Africa.

01:42:59.000 They use them in Australia quite a bit.

01:43:03.000 In the military or just in businesses?

01:43:05.000 Yeah, in the military, but also people that are in the backcountry all the time rely on these.

01:43:10.000 Those are like an iconic sort of model.

01:43:12.000 Super, super reliable.

01:43:14.000 I see.

01:43:15.000 They have live axles, like solid axles in front and rear, so they're really great at traversing difficult terrain.

01:43:25.000 To have a bunch of land?

01:43:27.000 Where do you use this?

01:43:28.000 Yeah, I do, but I just love it because I bought a car that I specifically had made for an apocalypse vehicle.

01:43:37.000 Okay, as you do.

01:43:38.000 It's got a large gas tank and floodlights.

01:43:40.000 What are you most worried about how this apocalypse is going to happen?

01:43:44.000 What I'm most worried about already happened.

01:43:46.000 The people panicking and freaking out and buying guns.

01:43:49.000 But that's not the apocalypse.

01:43:50.000 It's the beginning of what could happen if we have a deterioration of society, especially if we have a lack of services.

01:43:58.000 Like if the power goes out, if the grocery stores go empty. 0.99

01:44:03.000 If the power went out, shit would get real, real fast. 0.99

01:44:06.000 Real fast. 0.99

01:44:08.000 Apex going away real fast. 1.00

01:44:10.000 Shit don't get real. 0.99

01:44:12.000 I used it out here, my Land Cruiser, when we almost lost the power grid in Texas last year. 0.99

01:44:17.000 Oh, with the ice?

01:44:18.000 Yeah, because they're not prepared for winter.

01:44:20.000 Because it doesn't get like Montana winter in Texas. 0.99

01:44:23.000 So when it did, they didn't know what the fuck to do. 0.98

01:44:25.000 And they came within four minutes of losing the grid. 0.98

01:44:28.000 Oh, really?

01:44:29.000 What do you mean losing it?

01:44:30.000 The power grid literally shutting down because it was overrun.

01:44:35.000 And then they figured it out and made the proper adjustments.

01:44:38.000 Not good.

01:44:39.000 But my point was, when you get on the highway that time, none of the plows had worked.

01:44:46.000 So there's no plows out here, because they don't anticipate any snow.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, that's how Charleston is. 0.87

01:44:52.000 They didn't plow for days, and it was like, we're just waiting until it melts.

01:44:56.000 But with my Land Cruiser, I was loving it.

01:44:58.000 I was just gliding around town, like, wee!

01:45:01.000 I had so much fun.

01:45:03.000 It was so easy because, first of all, I grew up in Boston, so I'm used to being around snow.

01:45:09.000 And I used to deliver newspapers for a living, so I drove in snow.

01:45:14.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:45:15.000 For years, I drove in snow.

01:45:16.000 Yeah, I'm from Wisconsin.

01:45:17.000 I grew up in snow, definitely.

01:45:19.000 And with this Land Cruiser, my goodness, it was like a dog that's let off the leash.

01:45:24.000 Yay! 0.99

01:45:25.000 I get to run!

01:45:26.000 Nothing's even open, though.

01:45:27.000 Oh, everything was open.

01:45:29.000 Oh, was it?

01:45:29.000 Yeah, a lot of things were open.

01:45:31.000 All the grocery stores were open, hardware stores, you know, stuff to get things.

01:45:35.000 It's crazy how much that fucked things up, though, that we're, like, still feeling the effects of that, like, a year from now, like, supply chains and shit, just, like.

01:45:44.000 Well, that was minor. 0.84

01:45:45.000 The real supply chain issue is what's going on in China and overseas and dealing with the shipping crisis, which is like a trucking shortage.

01:45:53.000 There's quite a few issues.

01:45:54.000 There's quite a few issues that are compounded by inept leadership.

01:46:02.000 We're good to go. 0.98

01:46:30.000 Yeah, it's crazy how one tiny little piece of the car can completely derail the whole fucking thing, that it's sort of like, we've got everything ready to go, this tiny little fucking thing, we don't have that, not moving the car. 0.96

01:46:42.000 Well, what's crazy is we don't make any of that stuff. 0.98

01:46:44.000 That's what's crazy. 0.99

01:46:45.000 That's pretty fucked up. 1.00

01:46:45.000 I think a lot of that's coming back, because I think this was a big wake-up call with COVID, that we don't make that shit, and we need that shit. 1.00

01:46:53.000 It's not like it's like, who cares? 1.00

01:46:55.000 It's like, no, we need that shit, like... 1.00

01:46:57.000 Yeah, but it's more complicated than that. 0.99

01:46:59.000 The problem is we've gone so far away from the American supply chain that in order for us to make all of our parts here and cars here, think about phones.

01:47:09.000 Phones are a great example that we bring up all the time, and I know Elon has talked about making a phone.

01:47:14.000 And if he makes a phone, I will 100% switch over to his phone.

01:47:18.000 He's going to call it the Pi phone, apparently.

01:47:21.000 Pi phone?

01:47:22.000 Yeah, I'm all in.

01:47:23.000 I want an American-made phone.

01:47:24.000 I think they can do it.

01:47:26.000 Samsung is actually making chips here in America.

01:47:29.000 They're actually opening up a plant here in Texas to make chips in Austin.

01:47:34.000 And every phone that you get now is essentially made by people that live horrible lives.

01:47:41.000 100% of these dorms, they're making insanely small amounts of money.

01:47:45.000 They're living in They have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because so many people are committing suicide. 1.00

01:47:50.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

01:47:50.000 It's not good. 0.99

01:47:51.000 That is fucked up. 0.99

01:47:52.000 And that's most of... 0.99

01:47:54.000 And that's not even...

01:47:54.000 The really dark stuff is the minerals.

01:47:59.000 The way they get the minerals out of the ground. 0.99

01:48:01.000 Oh, like rare earth minerals and shit? 0.99

01:48:03.000 Some of them are literally made child slave labor. 0.99

01:48:07.000 Is digging these minerals out of the ground.

01:48:10.000 Jesus.

01:48:11.000 Vice, back in the day when Vice was actually Vice, did a piece on, I believe it's called Coltran?

01:48:17.000 Coltan?

01:48:18.000 Coltan.

01:48:19.000 I think it's called Coltan.

01:48:20.000 That's a mineral.

01:48:21.000 It's a mineral that's, a lot of it is sourced in Africa, and a lot of it is pulled from the ground by child slave labor with sticks.

01:48:31.000 Jesus Christ.

01:48:33.000 Using sticks to get these minerals, digging them out of the ground.

01:48:36.000 Like way in a mine or whatever.

01:48:38.000 Chipping away at this.

01:48:40.000 Imagine, go to the height of technology, which is, in terms of application and use by the average person, is a cell phone.

01:48:49.000 Sure.

01:48:50.000 Oh, yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:48:51.000 This is the fucking absolute, 100%. 0.98

01:48:53.000 The height of the application of technology in your everyday life. 0.98

01:48:56.000 Human technology and human progress.

01:48:57.000 Now take what's necessary from that and take it all the way to the beginning and you find a child slave. 0.82

01:49:05.000 Look at this.

01:49:06.000 Jesus Christ.

01:49:06.000 They're literally using sticks or shovels and digging this stuff out.

01:49:14.000 That is fucked up, dude. 0.99

01:49:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Is this Vice? 1.00

01:49:17.000 No.

01:49:17.000 No, what is this?

01:49:18.000 It's a different article about it.

01:49:19.000 Different.

01:49:20.000 So is it Coltan?

01:49:22.000 Yeah.

01:49:23.000 Coltan, yeah.

01:49:24.000 Children like Solange are the first to pay the price of Coltan trade.

01:49:29.000 Many start working as young as seven years old.

01:49:32.000 So this is where they get this stuff.

01:49:34.000 And this stuff is what you would call a conflict mineral.

01:49:39.000 And this mineral is an important factor in the production of cell phones.

01:49:46.000 Children in the Democratic Republic of Congo mine for coltan and face abuse to supply smartphone industry.

01:49:54.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:49:55.000 That's fucking crazy, dude. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Like, when you think of it exactly how you said it, in the scope of, like, this being the most technologically advanced thing, and these kids are, like, in the fucking mud, scraping it out. 1.00

01:50:05.000 You see it right there. 0.98

01:50:06.000 And it's necessary.

01:50:07.000 It's necessary, and this is what's wrong. 0.99

01:50:09.000 That's so fucked up. 0.99

01:50:10.000 This is what's wrong with our life in general. 1.00

01:50:13.000 It's almost like a testament to the deterioration of our appreciation of where everything comes from and our ethics and our values.

01:50:22.000 Is that you follow the supply, you follow the chain of where the stuff that's in your phone comes from.

01:50:30.000 At the very start, it's actually coming from slave labor. 1.00

01:50:36.000 That is fucked up. 0.99

01:50:37.000 Yeah, and we're all participating in it. 1.00

01:50:40.000 100%, and that's the thing.

01:50:42.000 And the phones are priced the way that they are because of that.

01:50:47.000 No, no, no, no.

01:50:48.000 They need that stuff.

01:50:49.000 The problem is that stuff- Yeah, no, I know they need that, but it's sort of like, even once they get that, then it goes to China, and those people are not that much bad. 0.96

01:50:57.000 They're not as bad, but it's not great either.

01:51:00.000 No.

01:51:00.000 But the thing is, there's still immense profit, immense profit by these companies.

01:51:05.000 Apple's one of the most wealthy companies on the planet Earth.

01:51:08.000 100%.

01:51:09.000 And you gotta wonder, if you did all that in America, how much less money would you make?

01:51:15.000 You'd probably make less, but wouldn't you feel better?

01:51:18.000 Wouldn't we all feel better about a phone that was made by someone who had a great job with benefits, and they had X amount of days off per year, and they had great work conditions, they were taken care of.

01:51:32.000 You knew that they were looking forward to going to work, they were treated well, there's no nets around the building.

01:51:38.000 They could also do that in China too, like they don't have to pay people.

01:51:42.000 We can't fix China. 0.98

01:51:44.000 But what we can do is try to influence companies to make something in America.

01:51:50.000 And I think that if Elon started making his Pi phone in America and it was a very high quality phone, the only problem is so many people are married to the Apple operating system.

01:52:02.000 Yeah, that's tough to kind of like.

01:52:05.000 They're pretty entrenched. 1.00

01:52:07.000 But imagine saying, fuck those slaves, I need my iPhoto. 0.99

01:52:12.000 It's definitely, no, I think people, they don't, they gloss over it. 1.00

01:52:17.000 Yeah. 0.89

01:52:17.000 And they convince, and I think everybody convinces themselves, myself included, that it's sort of like, okay, when it's like, no, it's pretty fucked up in a way. 0.89

01:52:25.000 It's pretty fucked up. 1.00

01:52:26.000 It's pretty fucked up. 1.00

01:52:27.000 Like, if you're being honest. 0.99

01:52:28.000 Well, honestly, you and I might know about this, but very few people that are using phones really do.

01:52:34.000 That's true.

01:52:35.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 I'm very acutely aware of it.

01:52:37.000 I did a short film where I kind of like sort of outlay a bunch of like income inequality things that are just like, like especially looking at the third world, it's like just the average person in America, a normal salary compared to these people in the third world is like fucking rich as shit. 0.96

01:52:54.000 Well, if you make $34,000 a year, you are in the top 1% of the world. 0.92

01:53:00.000 Yeah.

01:53:00.000 And that's like the top 1% of the world.

01:53:03.000 And that's considered poor in America.

01:53:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:06.000 Getting a sense of the full scope of the world and how much money people have, it's super fucked up. 0.98

01:53:12.000 I honestly don't think most people in America realize that. 0.97

01:53:16.000 Well, the price has to scale with quality of life, right?

01:53:22.000 But the quality of life, because, you know, some places it's cheaper, cost of living is cheaper, so it's not really apples to oranges. 0.98

01:53:29.000 But when you look at the quality of life in a lot of these places, it's fucking terrible. 0.98

01:53:34.000 Yeah. 0.84

01:53:35.000 Well, yeah, sort of, like, literally, like, I mean, thinking just about water alone, like, it's something that is just, like, One of the companies we donate to is Fight for the Forgotten, and Fight for the Forgotten, they build wells for the pygmies in the Congo.

01:53:50.000 Oh, really?

01:53:51.000 Yeah, my buddy Justin Wren, he's gone over there multiple times, and he founded this company, and they just provide clean drinking water, and just due to that, they've built from this program that we've done, the donations that we've done,

01:54:07.000 and when we were working with the Cash App, they've I mean, they've built many, many, many wells over there and supplied a ton of people with clean drinking water.

01:54:16.000 It's something that, honestly, to me, is unimaginable.

01:54:21.000 Growing up in the United States, not having water.

01:54:24.000 It's so literally free and ubiquitous.

01:54:29.000 That being something that you need to be concerned about for anything is so unimaginable.

01:54:36.000 When he went over there, he was seeing all these children with distended bellies.

01:54:39.000 Have you been over there?

01:54:41.000 I've never seen crazy stuff like that.

01:54:43.000 When he went over there, he saw all these children with distended bellies, and he was like, what is going on? 0.99

01:54:48.000 And they're all parasites. 0.99

01:54:50.000 The amount of children that have parasites is off the charts. 1.00

01:54:53.000 It's...

01:54:54.000 Yeah, that's, like, so crazy.

01:54:56.000 Like, I don't know. 0.93

01:54:57.000 I feel like that would, like, super fuck me up. 0.71

01:54:59.000 Like, just even, like, seeing that. 0.98

01:55:02.000 It fucked him up, and then he got malaria three times. 0.91

01:55:05.000 But I think that's good, though. 0.88

01:55:07.000 Like, I think, like, I don't know.

01:55:08.000 Malaria's good? 1.00

01:55:09.000 No, no.

01:55:10.000 Just sort of, like, seeing it and kind of, like, you know, sort of having that firsthand experience.

01:55:15.000 Obviously it caused him to sort of, like, you know, do this sort of, like, charity.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, it became the real focus of his life to try to help these people. 0.83

01:55:24.000 It's the reality of the world that we live in and that's the strangest the strangest connection to me is what we just said that the pinnacle of technology is Directly connected to slave labor that if you follow it down You get people who are the poorest people on earth working in the worst conditions imaginable Digging holes in the ground with sticks to pull these fucking minerals out Even if it was in the United States,

01:55:51.000 would we still be able to do that? 0.75

01:55:53.000 I don't know.

01:55:55.000 I'm more saying my understanding is these rare earth metals are only in certain parts of the world.

01:56:02.000 I got the impression that not that many are in the United States.

01:56:06.000 That's a very good question.

01:56:07.000 That's why we need to...

01:56:09.000 Cambodia or wherever, you know what I mean?

01:56:11.000 No, that's a good question, but you could ethically source it in those places.

01:56:14.000 Sure, yeah.

01:56:15.000 What you could do is you could develop some sort of a place in those places where you pay people correctly.

01:56:21.000 Sure.

01:56:22.000 Yeah, and put in safety stuff.

01:56:24.000 Put in schools and take care of them.

01:56:28.000 The dark stuff is that they treat people differently in these other countries in terms of how much they pay them and how many hours they have to work because they can.

01:56:36.000 They don't have laws there that are like the laws that we have here in America.

01:56:42.000 That's why unions exist. 1.00

01:56:44.000 Unions exist as much as people love to complain about unions.

01:56:49.000 Unions exist because people in power will abuse people that aren't in power.

01:56:54.000 When you're running a gigantic company and you can make X amount more by making people work X amount more and making them get paid X amount less, people just do it.

01:57:07.000 Yeah.

01:57:07.000 They do it.

01:57:08.000 If they can, they will.

01:57:08.000 What are you going to do?

01:57:09.000 You're going to go somewhere else? 1.00

01:57:10.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:57:11.000 Take it or leave it. 1.00

01:57:12.000 And that take it or leave it shit is why unions got developed in the first place. 0.98

01:57:16.000 Then if you don't have that, worst case scenario is what we're seeing. 0.98

01:57:20.000 These people are digging holes in the ground to pull out the minerals.

01:57:23.000 Well, if there's no laws and there's nothing stopping them, then they're just going to do it.

01:57:27.000 You've got to wonder if that's the only way to do it.

01:57:29.000 You've also got to wonder how much of that stuff is recyclable, right?

01:57:32.000 Because we cycle through new cell phones.

01:57:36.000 From the cell phones?

01:57:37.000 I think a lot of it is recyclable.

01:57:39.000 Oh, I'd like to know.

01:57:39.000 Because there's so many cell phones that if you think about how many cell phones get thrown away and how many cell phones get replaced every year, most people get a new phone, whatever, we say every two years or so?

01:57:54.000 Something like that.

01:57:55.000 I think it's slowing down, though.

01:57:56.000 It should.

01:57:57.000 I have an iPhone 11, and I use it all the time.

01:58:01.000 It's like a secondary phone that I have.

01:58:03.000 And it's not much different than my 13. No, no.

01:58:07.000 Pretty much the fucking same thing. 0.99

01:58:09.000 It's definitely getting more sort of incremental, the sort of changes moving forward. 0.99

01:58:14.000 Yeah, if they could get a large supply of those rare earth minerals.

01:58:18.000 But then the other thing is, do those minerals get exhausted by the use in the cell phone?

01:58:23.000 Are they recyclable?

01:58:24.000 I think some...

01:58:25.000 I think most...

01:58:26.000 My understanding... 1.00

01:58:27.000 I could be just completely talking to my ass. 0.99

01:58:29.000 I think most are recyclable, but of very small amount are not recyclable. 0.99

01:58:33.000 Well, that's...

01:58:33.000 It's just such a weird aspect of the most advanced part of our life and our society.

01:58:39.000 It is weird that it comes down to these, like, literal, like, fucking crystals. 0.99

01:58:44.000 Like, fucking that it's like, we need these magic crystals to fucking, like, beam shit from outer space. 0.99

01:58:50.000 Like, if you step back and think about it... 1.00

01:58:52.000 It's absolutely fucking insane. 0.94

01:58:55.000 Do you remember Star Trek? 0.98

01:58:56.000 These things.

01:58:57.000 I never watched Star Trek that much.

01:58:59.000 I was more into Star Wars.

01:59:00.000 Well, that's what they needed in Star Trek.

01:59:02.000 They needed crystals. 0.99

01:59:03.000 Some crystals for their spaceship or some shit? 0.99

01:59:06.000 What did they use in Star Trek? 1.00

01:59:07.000 Remember they always needed some fucking crystals to run the Enterprise? 0.98

01:59:13.000 There was a thing they would have to get crystals. 0.99

01:59:17.000 Yeah.

01:59:18.000 There was a thing you would have to get crystals from some...

01:59:20.000 Dilithium?

01:59:23.000 Is that what it was?

01:59:23.000 It's an invented material which serves as a controlling agent.

01:59:25.000 In which Star Trek are we talking?

01:59:27.000 What did you say?

01:59:28.000 Yeah, it's an antimatter, matter reactor.

01:59:30.000 Like fuel.

01:59:32.000 Dilithium crystals?

01:59:33.000 Oh, that's what I didn't put up there.

01:59:35.000 Yeah.

01:59:36.000 Yeah, dilithium is an invented material which serves the controlling agent in the matter-antimatter reactors.

01:59:42.000 The original series, dilithium crystals, were rare and could not be replicated, making the search for them a recurring plot element.

01:59:50.000 Yeah, makes sense.

01:59:51.000 That's probably how it's going to go down.

01:59:54.000 Isn't that wild that even back in the Star Trek days, which I believe started in like...

01:59:58.000 60s?

01:59:59.000 60s, 70s or something like that?

02:00:01.000 That even back then they recognized that there was a need for crystals and minerals. 0.99

02:00:07.000 It is pretty fucked up. 0.99

02:00:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:00:08.000 Dilithium crystals. 0.99

02:00:10.000 It'll be interesting if those become very, very, like we run out and like in the future that it's like, oh shit, those become insanely, insanely like expensive or something. 0.91

02:00:20.000 They'll figure out other ways around it, I think. 0.99

02:00:22.000 We would hope, but that they'll figure out shit. 0.98

02:00:25.000 That's not the case with the supply chain issues. 0.99

02:00:27.000 We realize like, okay, they're not figuring it out.

02:00:30.000 We have a real issue.

02:00:31.000 That's true.

02:00:32.000 Yeah.

02:00:33.000 I mean, it's definitely, yeah, it's not a given that people will figure it out.

02:00:38.000 These problems are very complex and they're sort of like, there's no guarantee they'll just get solved as we've seen over the last year and a half.

02:00:48.000 Yeah, and I wonder what else could be done in terms of how to make electronics.

02:00:53.000 Is the path that they're on now, using these coltan crystals and coltan minerals and using all these different things that we have with semiconductor chips, is that the only way to do this?

02:01:03.000 Or is this the way we've gone down this very particular path and we're so far down this path that we don't want to start from scratch again and take it from step one?

02:01:14.000 Nah, I think they'll do other things. 0.98

02:01:15.000 I think they'll in the future have more like bioengineering things where they'll figure out how to hack a blood cell or something and that will be the fucking microchip or some shit. 0.99

02:01:26.000 I smell an animation cooker. 0.96

02:01:29.000 I think there will be other things. 0.97

02:01:30.000 Again, a lot of people are very incentivized if these metals become a problem to figure out something else because you fucking figure that thing out. 0.87

02:01:39.000 There's a bazillion, trillion dollars.

02:01:42.000 So I think it's one of these things where there's got to be other ways around this stuff.

02:01:48.000 The problem is that that might be the way around it, that it becomes integrated with your body. 0.99

02:01:53.000 So that might be the thing that leads us to become fucking cyborgs. 0.99

02:01:58.000 You know, that's the motivation. 0.99

02:02:00.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's still a ways off.

02:02:03.000 I think we'll just sort of subtly...

02:02:05.000 How long?

02:02:05.000 Okay, when you say cyborgs, what do you mean, though?

02:02:08.000 Because that's actually kind of like...

02:02:10.000 What's your definition of a cyborg?

02:02:12.000 Well, Elon thinks that they're going to be able to do Neuralink and help people with nerve issues.

02:02:20.000 Like, people have had, like, spinal cord injuries.

02:02:22.000 They're going to be able to start doing that within the next year or so.

02:02:25.000 But that's not a cyborg.

02:02:27.000 Of course it is.

02:02:28.000 You would consider those people cyborgs now?

02:02:30.000 Of course it is.

02:02:31.000 It's the beginning of a cyborg.

02:02:33.000 You're taking a very advanced computer system and you're integrating it with the human body.

02:02:38.000 Not only that, you're integrating it with one of the most important and complex parts of the human body, the neural interface.

02:02:45.000 The interface between the brain and the nerves and the way the body moves.

02:02:51.000 It's one of the most complex, and not only that, the way the body thinks.

02:02:55.000 You're going to be able to change the way a human being has access to information and broaden the bandwidth that a person has.

02:03:03.000 You're going to be able to be connected through Wi-Fi or whatever future technology, 5G, 6G, whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

02:03:09.000 You're going to be able to be connected to the internet in your fucking head. 0.99

02:03:13.000 And it's going to be everywhere. 0.98

02:03:16.000 But when do you think, so like, I mean, not to downplay these things, obviously it's crazy as shit, but I guess I was thinking of Cyborg more in like a sci-fi sense, like when you are like, when do you think you'll be able to sort of like get a piece of information from the internet into your brain just by sort of like thinking of it?

02:03:36.000 Not that long.

02:03:37.000 You think that'll be in the next five years, ten years?

02:03:39.000 In our lifetime, for sure.

02:03:41.000 In our lifetime.

02:03:42.000 I mean if it's 10 years or 20 years, I think once it happens, the 10 years after that are gonna happen so fast. 0.96

02:03:48.000 Oh yeah, it's gonna get real fucking, it's gonna get real fast real quick.

02:03:52.000 Well think how weird it's gotten in the 20 plus years the internet's been around. 0.95

02:03:56.000 So the internet has been around essentially, let's call it 30. Let's call it 30 years.

02:04:00.000 91?

02:04:01.000 Call it 30 years.

02:04:01.000 Sure.

02:04:02.000 So in the 30 years the internet's been around, the world has become unrecognizable.

02:04:08.000 It's a completely different world.

02:04:09.000 Not just unrecognizable in terms of your ability to access information, but also unrecognizable in the ability that governments have to control people with social credit score systems that they're implementing in places like China and places that are controlled by military dictatorships,

02:04:25.000 but also unrecognizable in the way we interface with life.

02:04:32.000 We're inseparable from our phones.

02:04:34.000 Everybody carries a phone everywhere you go.

02:04:36.000 100%.

02:04:36.000 And it matters.

02:04:37.000 It can change people's lives, what they do on the internet.

02:04:41.000 I mean, I'm definitely sort of like a big example of this podcast.

02:04:45.000 Like, obviously, you decided to start a podcast.

02:04:47.000 Yeah.

02:04:48.000 Over the internet became this like massive thing and I think it's crazy to think like that we're only 30 years into this and the first 10 years, I mean the 90s, that was sort of like, you know, that was kind of a wash.

02:05:00.000 Things really started to like gain steam in the last 20 years.

02:05:04.000 Really even in the last 10 years started to really like...

02:05:07.000 It's changing pretty quick here and like things are moving and it's really starting to see huge effects like in politics and things like that that are really sort of like materially changing the world.

02:05:18.000 So what if what we're saying in terms of children in the Congo pulling coltan out of the ground becomes abhorrent?

02:05:27.000 Become something that people are just, we will not tolerate.

02:05:31.000 Completely intolerable.

02:05:32.000 And we need solutions.

02:05:34.000 And the solution comes about that the way to do it is biologics.

02:05:39.000 And the way to do it is the integration into the human mind with some sort of neural link type interface.

02:05:46.000 That would lead us to The Matrix.

02:05:49.000 It would lead us to some...

02:05:51.000 I mean, that seems to be where it's headed.

02:05:54.000 And it's one of the reasons why those movies are so compelling.

02:05:58.000 It's almost like we see the future laid out before us if we don't have some sort of a radical change in what we accept, what we tolerate, and what we universally adopt.

02:06:10.000 Because we've universally adopted cell phones.

02:06:13.000 They're unavoidable at this point.

02:06:14.000 If you don't have a cell phone, you're so far removed from the cultural conversation that it's way more rare, which is pretty crazy, that in just a short period of time, a device has been so popular that it's way more rare to not have it than it is to have it.

02:06:30.000 Way more rare.

02:06:31.000 Way more rare.

02:06:32.000 Almost nobody.

02:06:33.000 You know almost nobody.

02:06:34.000 Even people where it's like, you don't really need one.

02:06:39.000 Very, very old or this or that.

02:06:41.000 Or very, very young, too.

02:06:43.000 Very few, yeah.

02:06:44.000 It's on both sides.

02:06:46.000 And it's sort of like, yeah, that whole adoption happened in, what, 10 years?

02:06:50.000 It was pretty quick.

02:06:51.000 It went from zero to every single person has this device.

02:06:53.000 And the device is gaining capabilities very, very quickly.

02:06:57.000 Yeah.

02:06:57.000 Do you think the way you're creating art would one day change to the point where you would create some sort of an art that people interface with in a much more realistic sense, like a virtual reality sense?

02:07:12.000 Like if they come up with something that takes what you normally would see on a computer, now you get it on the phone, and then you're going to get it in your brain.

02:07:22.000 So you would create maybe small experiences.

02:07:26.000 Sure.

02:07:26.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:07:27.000 I think that's sort of like if that technology – because at the end of the day, I look at art as just a way to sort of like – sort of get ideas across and give people some sort of like emotional experience.

02:07:40.000 You experience some emotion when you, you know, see the underwear and this or that.

02:07:43.000 It's funny or this or that.

02:07:45.000 I think, you know, as new tools progress, I'll use those tools.

02:07:50.000 Like, whatever is sort of, like, available to me, that's what I'll, like, use.

02:07:54.000 And I'm always excited about the most advanced technologies out there that are sort of, you know, bleeding edge type things that can give you a more just visceral experience with art.

02:08:08.000 Have you seen Ready Player One?

02:08:09.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:08:11.000 That, and Jamie just read the sequel to it.

02:08:14.000 Apparently this is an awesome sequel.

02:08:16.000 But Ready Player One, to me, represents the pitfalls and the inevitable.

02:08:21.000 Both together.

02:08:23.000 That people are not going to care about the external, physical world because you're going to be interested in the internal digital world.

02:08:30.000 Yeah, and I think that's where it's sort of, I think it, especially if the problems in the physical world become very annoying and very sort of like, it becomes a not fun place and you can like,

02:08:47.000 you know, immediately sort of like be in a very different space that makes you feel better and makes you feel like you're in like a cool place instead of a shitty dumpy place.

02:08:57.000 Yeah.

02:08:58.000 Then yeah, I could very much see that.

02:09:00.000 Yeah, we'll be incentivized.

02:09:00.000 And I think that that could be what's happening when you look at all the negativity that's on Twitter.

02:09:06.000 I would venture to say that at least 40% of what's written on Twitter is negative.

02:09:12.000 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely...

02:09:14.000 I just threw that number out.

02:09:15.000 I just made it up.

02:09:17.000 It's probably accurate, though.

02:09:19.000 What do you think, Jamie?

02:09:19.000 What percentage of Twitter do you think is negative?

02:09:22.000 30%? 0.90

02:09:22.000 Yeah, but I can't not know that half of it is created by bots and just shitposting. 0.90

02:09:30.000 Yeah, right.

02:09:32.000 But my point is, the experience of people who take it in. 0.74

02:09:35.000 It doesn't matter if it's a bot or if it's shitposters or if it's trolls.

02:09:39.000 What you're taking in is negative. 0.92

02:09:41.000 It's negativity.

02:09:51.000 I think the metaverse will just be an extension of Twitter.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, but it's not Twitter.

02:09:59.000 It's Facebook.

02:10:00.000 Well, whatever.

02:10:01.000 It's the same.

02:10:02.000 It's people congregating in a space, but it will just be a version of...

02:10:08.000 Facebook is just a version of Twitter.

02:10:10.000 They're the same sort of...

02:10:12.000 There's a bunch of...

02:10:13.000 They're just organized differently.

02:10:15.000 All that negativity, you just see it in little groups of people congregating.

02:10:19.000 You know they're planning with Meta, right?

02:10:21.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that was mostly just marketing BS, to be quite honest.

02:10:28.000 Like, I don't think anything changed that much right now.

02:10:31.000 I think they're planning to do these things, but I think they're still, like, a ways off in terms of them sort of building this, like, metaverse.

02:10:38.000 I think the term metaverse is thrown around a lot, and there's no sort of, like, clear definition of it.

02:10:44.000 Right, but they're defining what they're going to do in the future when the technology becomes more viable.

02:10:50.000 Essentially, they set the foundation.

02:10:53.000 They're laying the foundation and they're going to run the electrical and the gas and the water pipes.

02:10:58.000 But this is the future.

02:11:00.000 Yeah, but I mean, are you going to be super excited to get into that future with Facebook?

02:11:04.000 It doesn't matter.

02:11:05.000 I wouldn't have been super excited to get into Twitter if you told me in 2007 what it would become in 2021. Sure, that's true.

02:11:13.000 It's definitely...

02:11:14.000 I mean, I think they will certainly try to do something, but I think people are going to be a bit resistant to that, just because they sort of...

02:11:21.000 I don't know.

02:11:22.000 You don't think so?

02:11:22.000 No chance.

02:11:23.000 They're diving right in.

02:11:24.000 That's the thing.

02:11:25.000 People will dive right in if it's compelling.

02:11:27.000 If they create something where it's a compelling experience, then people will sign up.

02:11:31.000 If they don't, then people won't.

02:11:32.000 Have you seen the meta commercial where the kids are at a museum?

02:11:37.000 A Facebook commercial?

02:11:39.000 For meta?

02:11:39.000 It's a meta commercial.

02:11:41.000 I've not seen that.

02:11:41.000 You need to see it.

02:11:42.000 Is it like creepy as shit? 1.00

02:11:43.000 No, no, no. 0.98

02:11:44.000 It's actually cool.

02:11:45.000 The thing about the commercial is you go, oh, I want to do that.

02:11:48.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:49.000 And that's the thing.

02:11:50.000 If they make something that's a cool experience, people will do it.

02:11:53.000 Let me show you.

02:11:54.000 You'll be able to appreciate this because it's interactive.

02:11:57.000 So here's the experience.

02:12:00.000 So you've got these kids.

02:12:01.000 Oh, I have seen this.

02:12:02.000 I have seen it.

02:12:02.000 I've never actually looked at it that closely, though, to be quite honest.

02:12:05.000 I love the commercial.

02:12:07.000 So they're watching this picture, and they're leaning close, and the tiger looks at them.

02:12:12.000 And so look, when you get into it.

02:12:14.000 This is the dimension of imagination.

02:12:22.000 Marshall, to me, is really well done.

02:12:25.000 Because these kids are looking at it.

02:12:26.000 At first they're a little skeptical, and then they start bobbing their heads to the music.

02:12:30.000 Yeah.

02:12:31.000 Okay. 1.00

02:12:32.000 Look at that fucking owl. 1.00

02:12:33.000 That's cool. 1.00

02:12:34.000 Look at these monkeys dancing.

02:12:35.000 The snake is cool.

02:12:36.000 Look at this.

02:12:38.000 Look at them.

02:12:43.000 See, look, now they're all in.

02:12:45.000 Now they're all in.

02:12:47.000 Bobbing heads. 0.96

02:12:47.000 They've got the youths. 0.96

02:12:49.000 They've got the youth demo locked down.

02:12:51.000 This is going to be fun.

02:12:53.000 Facebook converts, turns into meta.

02:12:56.000 Meta.

02:12:56.000 And they use a version of the Infinity logo, which is kind of creepy.

02:13:00.000 That is interesting.

02:13:02.000 That is where your soul...

02:13:03.000 I mean, that's the thing.

02:13:04.000 Again, if they make something that's freaking good, that's the reason.

02:13:08.000 Why are you still on Twitter?

02:13:10.000 I'm not.

02:13:12.000 So what do you mean you're not on Twitter?

02:13:13.000 You're not on it at all?

02:13:14.000 I don't post.

02:13:15.000 I occasionally dip my toe into read things.

02:13:18.000 Well, let's say Facebook.

02:13:19.000 You still post things on Facebook.

02:13:21.000 No, it goes straight through my Instagram and posts on Facebook.

02:13:23.000 Or on Instagram.

02:13:24.000 I mean Instagram.

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 So it's like, why do you post on Instagram still?

02:13:28.000 Well, it helps promote shows.

02:13:32.000 There's some things I find that are interesting that I think people would benefit from knowing about.

02:13:37.000 Sometimes it's cool stuff that I find out.

02:13:39.000 Last night I got obsessed with flowers that look exactly like birds.

02:13:43.000 Have you ever paid attention to that?

02:13:45.000 Flowers that look exactly like birds?

02:13:47.000 Yeah.

02:13:48.000 Pull up my last post.

02:13:50.000 Yeah, I got obsessed last night.

02:13:52.000 I went down a rabbit hole with flowers that look like birds.

02:13:56.000 To spread their pollen?

02:13:58.000 No.

02:13:58.000 Why do they look like birds?

02:14:00.000 To avoid predation.

02:14:01.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:14:02.000 To keep bugs away.

02:14:03.000 Look at that.

02:14:03.000 Oh, that's crazy.

02:14:05.000 Crazy.

02:14:05.000 And that's just one.

02:14:06.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:14:07.000 Look at that one. 1.00

02:14:08.000 That's a flower?

02:14:08.000 That's a flower.

02:14:09.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:14:10.000 So it avoids predation. 1.00

02:14:12.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:14:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:14.000 That is crazy.

02:14:16.000 And hummingbirds eat bugs. 1.00

02:14:17.000 Oh my god.

02:14:17.000 Isn't that wild?

02:14:19.000 That is super fucked up. 0.99

02:14:21.000 And what is the definition of that? 0.99

02:14:26.000 What is the explanation for that?

02:14:28.000 There is not one.

02:14:29.000 I've looked into it.

02:14:30.000 They don't exactly know.

02:14:32.000 It's got to be some evolutionary type.

02:14:36.000 There you see Forrest Galante says some of it is coincidence.

02:14:40.000 He's a biologist.

02:14:41.000 Some of it is biomimicry.

02:14:45.000 Interestingly, some of it means to signal to other species to visit the flower to help pollinate.

02:14:51.000 Botany is one of the fields where we think we know everything and we have barely scratched the surface.

02:14:56.000 Yeah.

02:14:56.000 The idea that there's biomimicry would somehow or another suggest that these things can see.

02:15:03.000 That's what's crazy.

02:15:04.000 I don't understand.

02:15:06.000 Like, yeah, 100%. 0.96

02:15:06.000 Like, what does that even fucking mean? 0.96

02:15:08.000 Go back to those first images. 0.95

02:15:08.000 Like, biomimicry. 0.95

02:15:09.000 Like, it's a fucking plant. 0.99

02:15:11.000 Go back to that one. 1.00

02:15:12.000 That is so clearly a bird.

02:15:15.000 I know.

02:15:15.000 That doesn't even make sense.

02:15:17.000 Biomimicry.

02:15:18.000 How does a plant be like, you know what?

02:15:20.000 I'm going to change how I look over time to look like a bird.

02:15:25.000 It's so bizarre.

02:15:27.000 It's so bizarre.

02:15:28.000 And the fact that it's common...

02:15:31.000 I mean, there's multiple species.

02:15:33.000 Well, yeah, there's a bunch of different kinds that super clearly look like birds.

02:15:38.000 Does this one go to the other one, the first image?

02:15:41.000 This is another one.

02:15:42.000 Look at that.

02:15:42.000 That looks exactly like...

02:15:43.000 It has eyeballs, man.

02:15:45.000 I mean, it has a beak that's yellow.

02:15:47.000 It has the face that's white.

02:15:49.000 It has eyeballs that are black. 0.84

02:15:51.000 It's wild.

02:15:52.000 It looks so much like a bird.

02:15:55.000 It's very, very interesting.

02:15:58.000 Honestly, I think it's for the pollination because then the bird touches it and then it spreads it.

02:16:04.000 Well, birds don't really pollinate.

02:16:06.000 Generally, insects.

02:16:07.000 I don't think birds pollinate, do they?

02:16:11.000 I think it's mostly bees.

02:16:13.000 Maybe not.

02:16:13.000 But the point is that somehow or another, this plant figured out a way to pretend that it's a bird.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, that's super messed up.

02:16:21.000 For whatever the reason is.

02:16:22.000 So, that's what I use Instagram for.

02:16:25.000 That makes sense.

02:16:26.000 Full circle.

02:16:27.000 But I think it's something where you can kind of share that.

02:16:31.000 Look at that one, man.

02:16:32.000 That is crazy.

02:16:34.000 Bird-shaped magnolia.

02:16:36.000 Wild.

02:16:39.000 It looks so much like birds.

02:16:41.000 So beautiful.

02:16:42.000 That one's a little abstract.

02:16:43.000 I was just thinking, it's not the angle, because some of these obviously definitely look like birds.

02:16:47.000 No, there's like a bunch, though.

02:16:48.000 That's like, yeah.

02:16:51.000 The one that I showed, the top right one, upper right hand corner.

02:16:55.000 That is crazy.

02:16:56.000 That one is the most crazy.

02:16:57.000 Because the face is like the beak and the eyeballs.

02:17:01.000 It's so like a bird.

02:17:03.000 I mean, even the way they're perched on the branches.

02:17:06.000 Oh, 100%.

02:17:07.000 Where a bird would be sitting.

02:17:09.000 Biomimicry is so bizarre.

02:17:11.000 Well, it's bizarre when you see octopi doing it in the bottom of the sea, but it makes sense.

02:17:18.000 Wait, what do they do?

02:17:19.000 They mimic the walls of the coral completely.

02:17:26.000 Cuttlefish do it, too.

02:17:27.000 And they mimic it in order to hide from predators and to hide from their prey.

02:17:33.000 So they can just sit there and chill, and then when something swims by, they can reach out and grab it.

02:17:38.000 That's crazy.

02:17:39.000 And they, like, change color or, like, change...

02:17:42.000 Change everything.

02:17:42.000 Change texture.

02:17:43.000 You ever seen?

02:17:44.000 I'm not sure I've seen that.

02:17:45.000 Oh, pull up images of oct...

02:17:47.000 I did not know about this until my friend Remy, my friend Remy Warren, used to have this television show...

02:17:54.000 What was it called?

02:17:55.000 The Predator...

02:17:56.000 Apex Predator, I think it was called.

02:17:59.000 And what it was about, the show was basically about watching how predators pursue their prey and all the different tactics and skills that they use.

02:18:08.000 And he would try to either mimic them or try to figure out what are the limitations of a human when they try to do what a wolf does when it chases down a pack of elk.

02:18:20.000 One of the things that he did was try to figure out what an octopus does to hunt.

02:18:26.000 And he came on the show and was talking to me about it. 0.99

02:18:29.000 He goes, dude, they're fucking aliens. 0.99

02:18:31.000 He goes, they're so different than everything else. 1.00

02:18:33.000 First of all, they're really intelligent to the point where they can solve puzzles.

02:18:37.000 They can open up jars.

02:18:38.000 Like if you put food inside of a jar.

02:18:40.000 They can squish really ridiculously weird.

02:18:43.000 Yeah, really tiny.

02:18:44.000 So watch this.

02:18:49.000 I mean, these things can totally pretend to be their environment.

02:18:56.000 So they assume the texture.

02:18:59.000 Wow.

02:19:01.000 Yeah, they can not just assume...

02:19:03.000 It's exactly the same as the things surrounding it.

02:19:05.000 So it's not just assuming the coral reef's colors.

02:19:08.000 It's assuming the texture of the coral reef, which is so bizarre.

02:19:12.000 So they can change the surface of their skin both in color and in texture and depth.

02:19:20.000 It's wild.

02:19:21.000 There's a bunch of them, though.

02:19:23.000 There's one of them where you see cuttlefish are maybe even perhaps more impressive.

02:19:28.000 Pull up a cuttlefish...

02:19:31.000 What are cuttlefish?

02:19:33.000 It's a type of cephalopod.

02:19:34.000 It's real similar to an octopus or a squid.

02:19:40.000 Yeah, amazing cuttlefish, life on the reef.

02:19:43.000 Have you ever gone scuba diving with this stuff?

02:19:46.000 Do you do that kind of stuff?

02:19:47.000 No, I've never done scuba diving.

02:19:50.000 I've done snorkeling before.

02:19:52.000 But these things, watch how it does this.

02:19:55.000 So they're swimming along, and then look, it just changes colors. 0.99

02:19:58.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:20:00.000 Yeah, dude. 1.00

02:20:00.000 I mean, it's alien. 1.00

02:20:03.000 That is insane.

02:20:03.000 And watch when it comes to another place, it'll find another place where it seems like it can kind of blend in and hide, and then it'll adapt its colors to that place.

02:20:11.000 So, not only can it see what's below it, but it can mimic it.

02:20:17.000 That is insane.

02:20:18.000 Watch how it does it, though, when it gets near this coral.

02:20:20.000 It's crazy.

02:20:22.000 And it does it no matter what it crosses over.

02:20:24.000 They did one.

02:20:26.000 Google cuttlefish over chessboard.

02:20:29.000 They did one where they tried to put one over a checkered chessboard.

02:20:32.000 To see it change.

02:20:33.000 And it panicked.

02:20:34.000 It's like, what is this?

02:20:35.000 And you see it try to imitate the squares and it's kind of freaked out trying to figure out what the squares are and how to imitate.

02:20:43.000 Because you're imitating something that doesn't exist in the ocean, which is right angles.

02:20:47.000 Right angles and very peculiar patterns.

02:20:52.000 Yeah, black, solid black, white.

02:20:55.000 Solid symmetry, too.

02:20:56.000 So watch this.

02:20:58.000 So here's the cuttlefish.

02:21:01.000 Cuttlefish is trying to figure out what is going on here.

02:21:06.000 It tries to...

02:21:07.000 Oh, that's interesting.

02:21:08.000 Isn't that crazy how it uses its skin? 0.99

02:21:11.000 See, it's trying to figure out how to be that black and white. 1.00

02:21:15.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:21:16.000 Yeah, it doesn't exactly know what to do. 1.00

02:21:18.000 That is crazy.

02:21:19.000 But look how it developed.

02:21:20.000 Go back a little bit.

02:21:21.000 Look at what it's doing right there.

02:21:22.000 It's making it like a zebra.

02:21:24.000 So it knows there's black and white, but it doesn't have the ability to develop those right angles in its repertoire.

02:21:30.000 Wow, that is nuts.

02:21:33.000 Isn't it crazy how it became a part of that couch?

02:21:36.000 Yeah.

02:21:37.000 It's just so bizarre.

02:21:37.000 It's so bizarre to me that there's, like, my understanding, maybe you know better than me, like, thousands or tens of thousands of species that we just don't even, like, know about.

02:21:48.000 Like, in the ocean, that it's just sort of like...

02:21:50.000 Yeah, oh, the ocean's a treasure trove of that.

02:21:53.000 Like, they find something, and then it's just like, oh, here's a thing we've never known about.

02:21:56.000 Like, that, it just feels to me like that shouldn't be the case, like, that we've found everything.

02:22:01.000 Yeah.

02:22:02.000 Well, we definitely haven't even explored 90-something percent.

02:22:05.000 I think we've explored 10% of the ocean.

02:22:08.000 See if that's correct.

02:22:09.000 If I had to guess, I think that's what the most recent estimate is that we've explored somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the ocean.

02:22:17.000 That's bizarre to me.

02:22:19.000 It's so big.

02:22:19.000 It's three-quarters of the Earth.

02:22:22.000 But it's still like...

02:22:23.000 It's three-quarters of the earth and we can't breathe in it.

02:22:26.000 It kind of makes sense.

02:22:27.000 Yeah.

02:22:27.000 It's amazing we've explored 10%.

02:22:29.000 That's true. 0.99

02:22:30.000 I mean, what the fuck are we? 0.99

02:22:32.000 We have submarines and we go to, you know? 0.99

02:22:35.000 It's just, yeah.

02:22:36.000 I mean, but there's a bunch of stuff that they still find also in sort of like African places like that too, don't they? 0.86

02:22:42.000 Like kind of tree frogs and things and stuff like that and in the rainforest and like crazy shit like that. 0.85

02:22:48.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:22:49.000 I don't know.

02:22:49.000 It's just mind-boggling.

02:22:52.000 We're up to maybe 20% because it says more than 80% of the ocean is unmapped, so reverse math says...

02:22:58.000 Yeah, that's mapped and explored.

02:23:02.000 There's a difference between our understanding of what's the surface and the depth and how to map it out versus knowing all the biology that's under the surface of the water.

02:23:13.000 Do you fish or not really?

02:23:16.000 Yeah, yeah, fish.

02:23:16.000 I love fishing, yeah.

02:23:17.000 What kind of fishing?

02:23:19.000 Is there anything in particular that you like?

02:23:21.000 Like fishing for or just...

02:23:22.000 I like all kinds of...

02:23:23.000 I like freshwater, saltwater.

02:23:25.000 I like all kinds of fishing.

02:23:27.000 And is it like sort of normal or like crazy marlin?

02:23:31.000 No, I like things I eat, you know?

02:23:33.000 If I catch something I want to eat, eat something.

02:23:35.000 More like chill, like sort of just kind of going out in a boat and fishing or whatever.

02:23:40.000 Yeah, it's fun.

02:23:40.000 It's a thing I do with my kids too.

02:23:42.000 My kids enjoy fishing.

02:23:44.000 Whenever we go on a vacation, we try to get some fishing in.

02:23:47.000 I don't...

02:23:48.000 See, that's another thing where it's like I don't know how to do all the, like, hooks and stuff.

02:23:52.000 It's not hard.

02:23:52.000 And so it's like my kid, like, had a fishing pole and it just got all tangled up real fast.

02:23:58.000 Well, you learn.

02:23:59.000 It's not complicated. 1.00

02:24:01.000 Morons know how to do it. 1.00

02:24:04.000 That's true. 0.98

02:24:05.000 What you know with all these 3D programs, you know?

02:24:08.000 But when things get tangled up, too, I get really frustrated and it's just like, okay, goddammit.

02:24:14.000 The key to that stuff is to not ever let it get to the point of being tangled, so you have to think about it.

02:24:19.000 It's called a bird's nest.

02:24:29.000 Yeah, just let go of it. 1.00

02:24:35.000 That's what this was, but it was like a $10 one, so it was just probably like a total piece of shit. 0.99

02:24:40.000 You just need to get someone to show you how to do it. 0.99

02:24:42.000 And then, you know, with bait casting, you have to actually feather it with your thumb.

02:24:48.000 So what you do is you hold your thumb down on the reel, and then you cast.

02:24:52.000 It's more accurate, though.

02:24:54.000 And then you can kind of control how far it goes with the pressure you put On the line.

02:25:00.000 Oh, that's on the line.

02:25:01.000 That's what's keeping it from going.

02:25:03.000 I see.

02:25:04.000 That's interesting.

02:25:05.000 But when you let it go, just let it go, let it go, it spins out.

02:25:08.000 It'll just go. 1.00

02:25:08.000 It spins out of control and then it gets fucked. 1.00

02:25:11.000 I see. 0.99

02:25:11.000 Then it becomes what's called a bird's nest where it's all just like chaos. 0.99

02:25:14.000 Yeah.

02:25:15.000 Yeah.

02:25:15.000 But that's my favorite way to fish with bait casting reels because it's so accurate.

02:25:21.000 So if you're fishing for bass and you're near, say, a shore and you're casting into where these lily pads are, a good angler who's really good with a bait casting reel can kind of place Super accurately.

02:25:34.000 Pretty close.

02:25:34.000 Yeah, we were real good.

02:25:36.000 And it depends upon the weight of the lure and the pound test of the line that has a factor.

02:25:43.000 And it's one of those things you develop a feel for.

02:25:47.000 Like if you had a bag of rocks and they were all the same weight and you just...

02:25:54.000 Threw a rock and you're like, all right, throw it this hard, it goes that far.

02:25:57.000 If I throw it this hard, and after a while, you would get a sense, okay, now I know how far that rock's going to go.

02:26:05.000 Sure.

02:26:05.000 Like a baseball is a perfect example.

02:26:08.000 Yeah.

02:26:08.000 Right?

02:26:08.000 A baseball is a uniform size, a uniform weight, and you know that if you throw it at a certain way, it's going to go a certain distance.

02:26:17.000 And people get super accurate with it, right? 0.95

02:26:19.000 Pitchers are fucking super accurate with baseballs. 0.98

02:26:23.000 Sure. 0.99

02:26:26.000 Sure.

02:26:35.000 Yeah, no.

02:26:35.000 Do you fish like around here?

02:26:37.000 Is there like a lot of places?

02:26:38.000 Yeah, there's plenty.

02:26:38.000 Yeah, Texas is a great place for bass fishing.

02:26:42.000 Yeah.

02:26:42.000 Yeah, we've got like a little pond behind our house.

02:26:48.000 Like, I don't know if it's like a retention pond or something.

02:26:51.000 And sometimes we'll go out there with like an apple.

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 And try and fish in there.

02:26:55.000 With an apple?

02:26:56.000 Yeah, just like, I don't know.

02:26:58.000 Why are you using an apple? 0.99

02:26:59.000 Just because, again, dude, I don't know anything about this shit. 0.99

02:27:02.000 It's like a $10 fucking thing that it's just like... 0.99

02:27:06.000 But then you know the worms, you gotta put it on the thing. 0.98

02:27:08.000 I don't really want to put the thing through the worm.

02:27:10.000 I feel bad.

02:27:11.000 You feel bad?

02:27:12.000 They don't even notice it.

02:27:13.000 I know, but it's just kind of nasty to me, too, if I'm being honest.

02:27:18.000 That's why you get fish, though.

02:27:20.000 We cast.

02:27:22.000 We catch the fish.

02:27:23.000 It's exciting.

02:27:23.000 So we've thrown the apple chunks into the thing.

02:27:27.000 The fish will bite them a little bit, but there's no chance in how we're ever going to catch a fish.

02:27:32.000 No?

02:27:33.000 Just wasting time?

02:27:34.000 I don't.

02:27:34.000 Do you think we're going to catch a fish with these apple chunks?

02:27:38.000 Not with that attitude.

02:27:41.000 How long do you usually go fishing before you catch something?

02:27:45.000 It depends on where you go.

02:27:46.000 Some places it just takes a few minutes.

02:27:48.000 Oh, really?

02:27:49.000 I could do that.

02:27:50.000 I could do that.

02:27:51.000 Well, also, if you're using bait, right?

02:27:54.000 If you're in a pond and you're using bait, not that hard, man.

02:27:57.000 You get a piece of worm, you put it on a hook, you have a bobber, you cast out.

02:28:01.000 Your kids will love it.

02:28:01.000 And the bobber's fun, too, because you see the bobber moving.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:05.000 I did it.

02:28:06.000 My dad took me as, like, a kid.

02:28:07.000 It's just sort of like I'm...

02:28:10.000 I don't know.

02:28:10.000 I just don't know that stuff.

02:28:13.000 And we'll go out with my dad sometimes.

02:28:16.000 Using apples for bait.

02:28:17.000 Apples work great.

02:28:19.000 Oh.

02:28:19.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

02:28:21.000 I don't think they're put on the, like, hook right.

02:28:23.000 I don't know.

02:28:24.000 Apples work great for bait?

02:28:25.000 There's multiple sites saying it.

02:28:27.000 Really?

02:28:28.000 Yeah.

02:28:28.000 Interesting.

02:28:28.000 I wonder what you catch.

02:28:30.000 What kind of fish you catch with apples?

02:28:31.000 This one says catfish.

02:28:32.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:28:33.000 Carp will eat it.

02:28:34.000 Carp makes sense.

02:28:35.000 They eat vegetables.

02:28:36.000 Or they eat plant.

02:28:37.000 I don't know what type of fish these are. 1.00

02:28:39.000 These are probably, like, nasty, like, fucking, like. 1.00

02:28:41.000 Maybe they're not. 1.00

02:28:42.000 Maybe you're judgmental.

02:28:43.000 They're small though.

02:28:44.000 Sunfish.

02:28:45.000 They're probably sunfish.

02:28:46.000 Yeah.

02:28:47.000 I think if you saw this body of water, you would probably think they were nasty fish.

02:28:51.000 There's a crazy video on Tim Kennedy's Instagram of this guy going fishing.

02:28:56.000 Let me see if I can find it.

02:28:57.000 I'll send it to you, Jamie.

02:28:58.000 Maybe you can find it. 0.99

02:28:59.000 The guy's fishing and as he's fishing a fucking... 0.99

02:29:04.000 And it's not a big place. 1.00

02:29:06.000 A fucking enormous catfish comes up and grabs the lure. 0.99

02:29:10.000 I mean, it looks like the catfish is seven feet long and like 250-300 pounds. 1.00

02:29:16.000 It's so big.

02:29:17.000 Those catfish are crazy and the people who like grab them or whatever.

02:29:20.000 I've seen some of those videos on like TikTok.

02:29:23.000 It's called noodling.

02:29:24.000 Oh my god, that is just insane. 1.00

02:29:26.000 They're just going into the mud and just picking up the fucking fish. 0.99

02:29:30.000 Well, it's more wild than that because they let their hands in there and they're basically finding these holes where the catfish are burrowed into and they're feeling around. 0.98

02:29:40.000 And sometimes they get their hand in there and a snapping turtle's in there and they lose fingers.

02:29:44.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:29:46.000 I didn't know that was a fucking risk of this shit. 1.00

02:29:50.000 Hold, please. 1.00

02:29:50.000 We'll show you some of that. 1.00

02:29:52.000 So, first thing I want you to do is pull up that fishing video.

02:29:55.000 Did you got it?

02:29:55.000 I've not found it.

02:29:56.000 You've not found it?

02:29:57.000 I'll find it real quick.

02:29:59.000 Would you ever do something like that?

02:30:02.000 Oh, no.

02:30:05.000 I'm not interested in that.

02:30:06.000 I'm not interested in losing fingers.

02:30:08.000 That definitely...

02:30:09.000 I mean, maybe I had some Kevlar gloves.

02:30:12.000 Maybe I have some Kevlar gloves.

02:30:14.000 They've got to have gloves or some special thing they can wear or something to protect their hands, I'm assuming.

02:30:22.000 I would hope.

02:30:23.000 Where are they doing this?

02:30:24.000 No, they don't do that. 1.00

02:30:26.000 They just get their fucking hand in there. 1.00

02:30:27.000 Okay, well, that's... 1.00

02:30:29.000 They just do it.

02:30:30.000 I don't think this...

02:30:31.000 Where are they doing this? 0.99

02:30:32.000 In Missouri or Louisiana or some shit? 0.99

02:30:36.000 All over the place. 1.00

02:30:38.000 The South, for sure. 0.52

02:30:41.000 Did he remove it from his Instagram?

02:30:43.000 No.

02:30:44.000 Let's see how long it goes.

02:30:46.000 What's today's date?

02:30:47.000 Yeah, I got back pretty far.

02:30:48.000 I didn't see anything.

02:30:49.000 I don't think it's that far.

02:30:52.000 Today is December 7th?

02:30:55.000 13th.

02:30:56.000 13th?

02:30:56.000 13th.

02:30:58.000 7th.

02:30:58.000 You were quite off.

02:31:01.000 I can't think and think and talk at the same time. 0.99

02:31:03.000 Let me find this fucking... 0.99

02:31:05.000 It's a video of what now? 1.00

02:31:07.000 It's a video of a catfish.

02:31:08.000 Oh, that he, like, grabbed?

02:31:10.000 Yeah.

02:31:12.000 I know I sent it to someone, but I can't remember who.

02:31:16.000 Oh, I know I sent it to my friend Cam.

02:31:18.000 Hold on.

02:31:19.000 Hope, please.

02:31:19.000 Yeah, we used to go, like, as a kid, my dad would take us very occasionally, and my grandpa would, like, take us.

02:31:27.000 And I think we were catching, like, perch or something like that in Michigan and, like, Wisconsin, but it's definitely been a while.

02:31:36.000 Well, it's one of those things.

02:31:38.000 I mean, if you want to do it, it's fun.

02:31:40.000 Here, I found it.

02:31:43.000 I'll send it to you, Jimmy.

02:31:47.000 Why didn't it do that?

02:31:50.000 Hold on.

02:31:52.000 Oh! 0.60

02:31:53.000 It's been removed.

02:31:55.000 That's why.

02:31:57.000 Thanks, Obama.

02:32:00.000 Catfish Steals.

02:32:02.000 No, look, you can see it in the window, but you can't click on it.

02:32:06.000 For whatever reason, you can still see it in my phone in the window.

02:32:10.000 It's not helping everybody else.

02:32:11.000 Oh my god!

02:32:12.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:32:13.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:32:14.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:32:15.000 It's so big. 1.00

02:32:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:19.000 That's like a fucking, like, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:32:22.000 That is massive. 1.00

02:32:23.000 That's like a fucking... 0.99

02:32:25.000 I wonder why the video is removed. 1.00

02:32:26.000 Horror film shit. 0.99

02:32:28.000 Oh my god, that's a big catfish. 1.00

02:32:30.000 It's crazy huge.

02:32:31.000 Wow.

02:32:32.000 Isn't it weird, Jamie, that you can still see it on my phone in the window?

02:32:35.000 But then when you click on it, it looks like the link is dead.

02:32:38.000 No, it says it's been removed.

02:32:40.000 Maybe it was removed and that's just a cached version of it.

02:32:42.000 It must be.

02:32:43.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:32:44.000 That is no fucking joke. 0.99

02:32:46.000 But it's annoying. 0.97

02:32:47.000 Because when I click on it, I get this.

02:32:50.000 Nothing.

02:32:51.000 Yeah, that is... 1.00

02:32:52.000 Fucking technology. 1.00

02:32:54.000 Somebody probably owns it. 1.00

02:32:55.000 Like an NFT. That could be.

02:32:57.000 That could be.

02:32:58.000 Oh, here it is.

02:32:59.000 This is it.

02:33:00.000 So watch this.

02:33:01.000 Karna Fishing Family.

02:33:03.000 Watch this.

02:33:03.000 Boom!

02:33:05.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing. 1.00

02:33:08.000 Loch Ness Monster Catfish. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Oh, so you know what it is?

02:33:12.000 They probably want everybody going to their Instagram page or their YouTube page.

02:33:16.000 So the YouTube page is Karna Fishing Family.

02:33:22.000 And so they're catching, what does it say they're catching?

02:33:25.000 Just catfish?

02:33:25.000 Yeah, it says Loch Ness Monster Catfish.

02:33:28.000 Yeah, that's the name of the video.

02:33:30.000 But they're catching a bunch of catfish.

02:33:32.000 That's a smaller catfish. 0.60

02:33:34.000 So they're catching some pretty good sized ones.

02:33:37.000 Which is interesting because catfish, generally speaking, usually hunt with bait or you usually fish with bait.

02:33:43.000 That's a pretty big one right there.

02:33:45.000 Back up so you can see.

02:33:46.000 Yeah.

02:33:47.000 But what they're doing is using lures.

02:33:50.000 So these catfish must be active predators.

02:33:55.000 Pretty cool. 0.99

02:33:55.000 But then in the end, you see this fucking bonkers one. 0.99

02:33:59.000 Not that one. 0.99

02:34:00.000 Jesus Christ.

02:34:00.000 That one's pretty big.

02:34:02.000 I'm not seeing it.

02:34:04.000 It's not in there?

02:34:05.000 Unless they like baited it with that very first one to get everybody to watch their long video, maybe.

02:34:09.000 Go all the way to the back.

02:34:11.000 To the end, right there.

02:34:12.000 What's that right there?

02:34:13.000 Click there.

02:34:14.000 That's not it?

02:34:15.000 No.

02:34:16.000 Definitely not.

02:34:17.000 Huh. 1.00

02:34:19.000 Oh, these fucks. 1.00

02:34:21.000 So it's not even in there. 0.99

02:34:22.000 It's somewhere, but it's definitely at the beginning.

02:34:25.000 No.

02:34:26.000 Oh, there it is.

02:34:27.000 There it is.

02:34:27.000 It's at the very beginning.

02:34:28.000 Oh, my God.

02:34:29.000 So it's only at the very beginning.

02:34:32.000 So it's almost like it's not really there.

02:34:34.000 That is definitely crazy, though.

02:34:37.000 Whatever.

02:34:38.000 It's large fish at the end.

02:34:45.000 But do you have a desire to learn these things?

02:34:48.000 Not really. 1.00

02:34:49.000 Or do you just give a fuck? 1.00

02:34:50.000 No. 1.00

02:34:50.000 Then why half-ass it? 1.00

02:34:52.000 Yeah, it's one of these things where it's...

02:34:54.000 Well, I feel bad because it's like my kid likes it occasionally.

02:34:58.000 Well, you can hire somebody, like a fishing guide, and then they do all the work.

02:35:02.000 Yeah, I would like to do that.

02:35:03.000 Kind of like go and do deep-sea fishing or something like that.

02:35:06.000 We'll do something like that.

02:35:08.000 They have people that do that in freshwater fishing, too.

02:35:11.000 Yeah, that'd be cool.

02:35:12.000 Like, I would like to, like, do those things, because I find them, like, interesting to sort of, like, learn about these things that I know nothing about, but it's sort of, it's not something I am gonna go do myself.

02:35:24.000 Exactly.

02:35:25.000 But, like, going on, even, like, a hunting thing like that, like, I would never really go hunting myself.

02:35:30.000 But honestly, I wouldn't mind going on a hunting trip with somebody just to sort of learn about it because it's just something I know nothing about.

02:35:39.000 So it's very interesting to me to learn this sort of subculture and rituals and techniques behind it.

02:35:47.000 This is a barracuda that my kid caught.

02:35:48.000 Jesus Christ.

02:35:50.000 Yeah, isn't that awesome?

02:35:52.000 You can't eat those, though.

02:35:54.000 No joke.

02:35:54.000 That's as big as her.

02:35:56.000 That's huge.

02:35:57.000 Yeah, she was pretty pumped.

02:35:58.000 But they take those.

02:36:00.000 Oh, wait a minute.

02:36:01.000 That is not a bear.

02:36:02.000 Is that a wahoo? 1.00

02:36:04.000 Yeah, that's Oahu.

02:36:05.000 Where was that?

02:36:06.000 That's Oahu, sorry.

02:36:07.000 My other kid caught a barracuda.

02:36:08.000 That was in Hawaii.

02:36:09.000 The thing about the barracuda is you can't eat it.

02:36:13.000 So they would use it for bait to catch other fish.

02:36:15.000 Because barracuda, apparently, they eat so many fish that they're toxic.

02:36:20.000 Oh, really?

02:36:21.000 Oh, the mercury or whatever is so high.

02:36:23.000 I don't know if it's mercury.

02:36:24.000 I don't know what it is.

02:36:25.000 But there's something about...

02:36:26.000 There's a possibility that's fairly high that you can get...

02:36:31.000 Mercury poisoning.

02:36:32.000 They're actually toxic.

02:36:33.000 Okay.

02:36:34.000 I don't know why.

02:36:35.000 Because most fish eat fish.

02:36:36.000 So it's weird that that one would be...

02:36:39.000 Yeah, I know.

02:36:40.000 I don't know that much about it. 0.89

02:36:42.000 I don't honestly eat fish that much, but I know some have some mercury or some shit where if you eat too much... 0.87

02:36:48.000 That does happen with people that eat too much sushi. 0.98

02:36:50.000 If you get crazy and eat sushi all day every day, you can get sick.

02:36:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:54.000 And I don't know that much about it.

02:36:56.000 But yeah, I'd like to do stuff like that because it's definitely...

02:37:00.000 It's just a cool experience and it's sort of like...

02:37:02.000 I don't know.

02:37:04.000 Are you overwhelmed time-wise with this day-to-day commitment of producing art?

02:37:09.000 Because you produce one piece every day.

02:37:12.000 And do you do everything solo?

02:37:13.000 This is a question that Jamie actually had.

02:37:14.000 Do you have people that work for you that help you create these things?

02:37:17.000 Yeah.

02:37:18.000 Yeah, now we do.

02:37:20.000 I definitely, because I've been starting to build like physical things like this.

02:37:23.000 So my brother works with me now. 0.96

02:37:25.000 He was like an engineer at Boeing and he quit his job when this shit started blowing up like a year ago. 0.52

02:37:30.000 And so he's been like working with me and sort of like making like, I don't know, did you see that human one thing that I did?

02:37:37.000 It's like a big sort of like box that's like rotating with like a bunch of like screens on it.

02:37:42.000 Yes, I did see that.

02:37:43.000 Pull that up, Jamie.

02:37:45.000 That is like a big like sort of like...

02:37:47.000 You know, seven foot tall sort of, like, structure that, you know, he engineered.

02:37:52.000 And we've got, like, a...

02:37:53.000 There it is.

02:37:54.000 Pretty dope. 0.99

02:37:55.000 Like, 50,000 square foot space in Charleston where we're building out, like, a gallery and building out all kinds of, like, crazy shit. 1.00

02:38:02.000 Like, fucking crazy robot shit. 1.00

02:38:04.000 That's dope. 1.00

02:38:05.000 Yeah, there's gonna be some fucking weird shit, dude. 0.99

02:38:07.000 We've got some, like... 0.99

02:38:07.000 Oh, that's cool. 0.99

02:38:08.000 Fucking crazy shit planned that's sort of, like... 0.99

02:38:10.000 Again, moving into the, like, sort of, like, physical realm to make, like... 0.99

02:38:14.000 Using technology to make art that I don't think anybody else is gonna make unless I do it. 1.00

02:38:22.000 Nobody else is like, I need to make this fucking weirdo pervert shit. 0.99

02:38:26.000 So I feel like I'm the only one doing it. 1.00

02:38:29.000 It is weirdo pervert shit. 1.00

02:38:31.000 Do people just psychologically try to examine you? 1.00

02:38:33.000 Like, what is wrong with you? 0.82

02:38:35.000 That's a funny thing that, like, people, they bring so much, and I'm sure it's no different with comedy, that people bring so much of their own experience to this thing that they think they know what it means, and it's sort of like, honestly, a lot of the times, I don't even fucking know what it means.

02:38:51.000 Oh, make something, and it's like... 0.98

02:38:52.000 That's pretty fucked up. 0.98

02:38:54.000 And even I'm kind of like, I don't even know why the fuck I made it fully. 0.99

02:38:58.000 And for other people then to come in and be like, this is exactly what it means. 0.97

02:39:01.000 It's like, I don't even know what the fuck it means. 1.00

02:39:04.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:39:06.000 That's what happened in your life and you're interpreting it and just assuming a bunch of shit. 1.00

02:39:12.000 And a lot of the pieces are very sort of ambiguous and they don't have a clear sort of... 0.98

02:39:18.000 Think this, don't think that sort of message.

02:39:21.000 They're just more supposed to be like, just okay.

02:39:24.000 Hillary Clinton inside Donald Trump's body.

02:39:26.000 What does that mean? 0.99

02:39:27.000 I don't fucking know what that means. 0.96

02:39:28.000 That doesn't have an inherent sort of like, oh, that means this. 0.98

02:39:32.000 If it is, I don't know what that is.

02:39:35.000 And so, it is funny to see people like...

02:39:38.000 This is exactly what he means by this and I'm pissed off.

02:39:42.000 But you can't pay attention to that.

02:39:44.000 But that's the thing about putting out art is it's going to be open to interpretation.

02:39:48.000 There's nothing you can do about that.

02:39:50.000 Yeah, and to me it's sort of like it is what it is and it doesn't really bother me.

02:39:55.000 I recognize that I'm not trying to offend people.

02:39:59.000 I'm not trying to hurt people.

02:40:01.000 You're creating art.

02:40:01.000 I'm just trying to say what I want to say, and I very, very sincerely hope it brightens people's days.

02:40:08.000 Why would I want to piss people off?

02:40:10.000 Do people say things that make you think that it pisses people off?

02:40:16.000 That pisses a lot of people off.

02:40:17.000 What does piss people off? 0.96

02:40:17.000 Well, when I make fun of Trump, that pisses a shitload of people off. 0.96

02:40:21.000 And when I make fun of, like, the other side, too, it pisses people off. 1.00

02:40:24.000 Or when I post some sexual thing, people think they know what it means, and it pisses them off, and they think they're interpreting all this shit, and it's like, guys, it's just a bunch of dicks. 0.99

02:40:34.000 I don't know what he even means. 0.99

02:40:36.000 What are you talking about?

02:40:37.000 It's just hard. 1.00

02:40:39.000 It's just a bunch of fucking dicks. 1.00

02:40:40.000 I just made some dicks. 1.00

02:40:43.000 We don't need to... 0.97

02:40:44.000 There's no way you could know what that means. 0.98

02:40:47.000 I don't even fucking know what it means. 0.99

02:40:48.000 Just a bunch of techno dicks. 0.98

02:40:51.000 But isn't it funny, though, that people want to look into it and decide who you are and what you mean and have all these value judgments? 0.92

02:41:00.000 100%.

02:41:00.000 And it's sort of like, it's very bizarre because it's like they'll say things about me and it's like, I'm sure you experience the same thing.

02:41:07.000 It feels like out of body where it's like, that's not me. 0.99

02:41:09.000 Who the fuck are you even talking about? 0.99

02:41:11.000 If I can help you with that, you can't worry about what other people think about you. 1.00

02:41:17.000 You can kind of take it in a little bit and try to think maybe...

02:41:21.000 There's the venom.

02:41:22.000 The venom.

02:41:23.000 Yeah, maybe I'm also putting something out there in a way that people are getting a negative impression of me or the wrong impression of me.

02:41:29.000 But a lot of those people are just choosing to do that.

02:41:32.000 There's some people that choose the least charitable interpretation of everything you do, no matter what.

02:41:38.000 Yes, 100%.

02:41:38.000 You have to realize that most of what that is is people judging you at scale.

02:41:45.000 Right?

02:41:46.000 What do you mean?

02:41:46.000 At scale, there's so many people.

02:41:48.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:41:49.000 Just because there's so many people, a certain percentage of them will always not like you.

02:41:53.000 Right.

02:41:53.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:41:54.000 I've kind of accepted that, that it's sort of like, okay, if you have a million people love you, there's going to be 10,000 people that fucking hate you, period.

02:42:01.000 Well, especially now when they know that you're ridiculously wealthy from this stuff and that all these crazy things you've generated are now very popular and then they can hate you because they knew you when you were nothing or when you were unknown.

02:42:17.000 People love tearing down someone who they used to love too.

02:42:21.000 That's a weird thing.

02:42:22.000 They love...

02:42:23.000 You're going to get artists, for sure, that now look at you and your success and they're angry at your success. 0.99

02:42:32.000 And so then they'll say that you're contributing to the patriarchy or contributing to the fucking... 0.98

02:42:42.000 Disgusting upper class that's ruling the earth and you're mocking things with humor that really should be... 0.99

02:42:49.000 You should be an activist and you shouldn't be doing what you're doing. 0.93

02:42:51.000 But this is just what comes with volume.

02:42:55.000 Yeah.

02:42:55.000 You have millions and millions of people paying attention to your stuff now.

02:42:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:00.000 And it's something that I've had to deal with with the show.

02:43:03.000 It's something that I've had to deal with with...

02:43:05.000 Just life in general.

02:43:06.000 There's just a certain amount of people.

02:43:08.000 The thing is, do the reasonable people who are intelligent and kind and have a charitable sense of the world, do they have a problem with what you're doing?

02:43:16.000 Most of them don't.

02:43:17.000 Most of the people who, like myself, look at your stuff and go, this is crazy. 0.99

02:43:20.000 What the fuck is he doing? 0.97

02:43:21.000 And they think it's cool. 0.99

02:43:22.000 And I look at your stuff and I think this guy's really interesting and creative.

02:43:26.000 And I was looking forward to meeting you. 0.65

02:43:27.000 I was like, this guy's got to be a wacko. 1.00

02:43:29.000 And you are. 0.98

02:43:30.000 Look at you.

02:43:31.000 Look at you!

02:43:32.000 In the best sense.

02:43:33.000 I appreciate that.

02:43:34.000 I appreciate that.

02:43:35.000 People are looking to get upset too much, and to those people I say, go outside and exercise.

02:43:39.000 Please.

02:43:40.000 Please, just do something that blows off that steam.

02:43:42.000 There's more productive ways of using your time than to get really angry at someone who makes art.

02:43:48.000 100%.

02:43:49.000 And that's the thing that it's sort of like, when I see people getting, you know, sort of attacking artists or attacking comedians or this or that, it's sort of like, there's so much worse shit going on in the world, like that it's sort of like, I don't know, like, especially when a lot of times these people are trying to...

02:44:10.000 Yeah.

02:44:25.000 I don't know.

02:44:26.000 It's like we were saying earlier about stand-up.

02:44:27.000 It's that the exchange is really beautiful.

02:44:30.000 Like, they come out to see you, you do all the work necessary to put on a show, and they have a good time, and it's a great exchange.

02:44:38.000 Yeah.

02:44:38.000 And the same thing with podcasts.

02:44:39.000 It's a great exchange.

02:44:40.000 You do your best, and then they enjoy it, and it becomes a part of their commute or their workout.

02:44:46.000 Sure.

02:44:46.000 They're listening to you, and it's entertaining.

02:44:48.000 Yeah.

02:44:48.000 That's a great exchange.

02:44:50.000 And that's how a lot of people are going to see it.

02:44:53.000 But there's always going to be people that are upset that you don't share their ideology, or there's always going to be people upset because they take the least charitable position or the least charitable interpretation of your position.

02:45:04.000 Yeah.

02:45:05.000 Just life, baby.

02:45:07.000 You've got to just accept the fact, now that you're big time, you're going to have a lot of haters.

02:45:10.000 It's definitely, and it's honestly something that doesn't bother me, because I know my intentions with this artwork, and I know my intention is not to hurt people with it.

02:45:19.000 It's not to offend people.

02:45:21.000 It's always to brighten people's days. 1.00

02:45:23.000 The people that are getting offended are the idiots. 1.00

02:45:25.000 They're just idiots. 1.00

02:45:26.000 If they're getting offended at your stuff, they either enjoy it or they don't. 1.00

02:45:30.000 That's it. 1.00

02:45:31.000 If you're getting offended and upset by it, go look in a fucking mirror. 1.00

02:45:34.000 What's wrong with you? 1.00

02:45:35.000 That's the thing.

02:45:35.000 I can see how people could get offended by it, because some of it could be offensive.

02:45:40.000 The dicks. 1.00

02:45:41.000 The dicks, whatever. 1.00

02:45:42.000 Yeah, it's dicks, but sometimes people are offended by swearing. 1.00

02:45:46.000 Why would they be offended by dicks? 0.99

02:45:48.000 Does that really bother you? 0.99

02:45:49.000 No, it doesn't bother me. 0.99

02:45:50.000 They're very jizzy dicks. 1.00

02:45:51.000 They are jizzy dicks. 1.00

02:45:53.000 They are jizzy. 0.99

02:45:53.000 This guy knows what I'm talking about. 0.99

02:45:55.000 I don't think I've ever heard that expression before.

02:45:57.000 I think I've made that expression up for the first time. 0.97

02:45:59.000 They're pretty jizzy dicks. 0.99

02:46:00.000 They are pretty jizzy dicks. 0.99

02:46:01.000 Have you ever heard the expression jizzy dicks? 0.98

02:46:04.000 You know, I haven't, but it is accurate.

02:46:07.000 I will say it's accurate.

02:46:09.000 There it is.

02:46:09.000 Hello.

02:46:10.000 Hello.

02:46:10.000 Like, I can see how you could be offended by this.

02:46:13.000 I can't.

02:46:13.000 And it's sort of like, I get that.

02:46:15.000 That's my hope and dream.

02:46:17.000 But it's one of these things where I didn't do this to offend.

02:46:20.000 This was sort of like imagining if Donald Trump in the future- Gave birth to Hillary.

02:46:25.000 No, he was forced, like a machine that was forced to keep giving birth to babies.

02:46:31.000 But the baby's Hillary. 1.00

02:46:32.000 But the baby is Hillary, and the baby kept coming out all fucked up. 1.00

02:46:36.000 And so he's continuing to have to, like, give birth to these, like, fucked up, like, deformed babies. 1.00

02:46:42.000 Is it because he only thinks about Hillary? 1.00

02:46:44.000 Hillary's on his brain constantly? 1.00

02:46:45.000 It's more just, like, humans have, like, we've got a super fucked up political sort of, like, system where it's sort of, like, that it's, like, kind of, like, all... 0.99

02:46:55.000 I like that other one with the cheeseburger in the middle of his brain. 0.97

02:46:58.000 He slices his brain open, there's a cheeseburger in there.

02:47:00.000 So this is kind of like assuming we've got these like machines in the future that are like out in the middle of the field that are sort of like processing food and like feeding it to pigs and it kind of like slowly closes on this like, you put in like a cheeseburger and it slowly comes out as food for like pigs over like the course of like a long period of time.

02:47:21.000 So it's definitely...

02:47:22.000 What a strange... 1.00

02:47:24.000 There's quite a bit of fucked up shit. 1.00

02:47:26.000 And I can see how you could be, like, offended by that. 1.00

02:47:29.000 Trump versus Biden in a boxing match.

02:47:31.000 So this was, like, right after the first...

02:47:34.000 Debate?

02:47:35.000 Debate, yeah. 0.99

02:47:36.000 Oh my God, look how obese you made Trump and sexless. 1.00

02:47:39.000 That's what I love. 0.99

02:47:40.000 Naked and genderless. 1.00

02:47:41.000 Well, and that's the thing, too.

02:47:43.000 Like, a lot of times I will sort of, like, if you look at the one next to it where it's got, like, this Kim Jong-un sort of, like, thing.

02:47:49.000 These are my favorite. 0.99

02:47:50.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

02:47:52.000 But that's the thing. 0.99

02:47:53.000 And sort of, like, trying to play with, like, gender in, like, this weird way that even I don't understand because that is such a, like, prevalent theme in society right now.

02:48:02.000 Yeah.

02:48:11.000 Right.

02:48:13.000 Right.

02:48:22.000 Well, you know, that's what Douglas Murray, who's a British intellectual, very fascinating guy, he said on my podcast, it's a really interesting point, he said, whenever civilizations are crumbling, they become obsessed with gender.

02:48:35.000 He said it happened in ancient Greece, ancient Rome.

02:48:38.000 That's very interesting.

02:48:39.000 Yeah, men become women, women become men, they swapped Roles and places. 0.98

02:48:43.000 That happened in like Rome?

02:48:45.000 Yeah.

02:48:45.000 They became obsessed with gender.

02:48:47.000 And it becomes a theme.

02:48:49.000 And I'm like, why do you think that is?

02:48:50.000 And I don't think they had a clear reason, but I think the idea is that they start dissolving all of the predetermined boundaries that we set out for our society.

02:49:00.000 Because almost like things become so strange.

02:49:07.000 Definitely, that doesn't bode well for us.

02:49:09.000 That does not bode well for us.

02:49:11.000 Well, unless we like that future.

02:49:13.000 That's our future.

02:49:14.000 That's our future.

02:49:15.000 Well, listen, man, we just did three hours, believe it or not.

02:49:18.000 Jesus Christ, are you serious?

02:49:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:49:20.000 Oh my God, what the fuck? 1.00

02:49:21.000 Time flies, bro. 1.00

02:49:22.000 Jesus Christ.

02:49:22.000 Thank you very much for this thing.

02:49:24.000 What would I call this?

02:49:26.000 This piece of artwork.

02:49:27.000 This piece of artwork. 1.00

02:49:28.000 It's fucking dope. 1.00

02:49:30.000 And the underwear. 1.00

02:49:31.000 Appreciate that.

02:49:32.000 I hope you enjoy the scotch.

02:49:34.000 Yeah, dude.

02:49:35.000 Thank you for having me.

02:49:36.000 Super, super appreciate it, man.

02:49:38.000 My pleasure.

02:49:38.000 Such a huge fan.

02:49:39.000 I'm a huge fan of you as well.

02:49:41.000 Tell people your website, where they can go.

02:49:44.000 It's BeepleCrap. 0.99

02:49:46.000 Beeple underscore crap? 1.00

02:49:47.000 What is it? 1.00

02:49:48.000 Beeple, yeah. 0.98

02:49:50.000 I think it's Beeple-Crap. 0.95

02:49:51.000 Beeple-Crap.com. 0.92

02:49:54.000 It's Beeple underscore Crap on Instagram, and I think it's Beeple-Crap is the website. 0.85

02:49:58.000 Maybe you just Google Beeple. 1.00

02:49:59.000 You'll find some fucking gross shit. 1.00

02:50:01.000 Not at work. 1.00

02:50:01.000 Don't do it at work. 1.00

02:50:02.000 Don't get fired because of me.

02:50:03.000 Don't get fired because of him.

02:50:05.000 I gotta do my disclaimer.

02:50:07.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:50:08.000 I really had a good time.

02:50:09.000 Thank you.

02:50:10.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 14, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1748 - Beeple

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