The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1754 - Suzanne Santo

00:00:19.000 These wildest of times.

00:00:20.000 Oh my god.

00:00:23.000 The wildest, right?

00:00:24.000 I have no words for it.

00:00:26.000 No one does.

00:00:27.000 And your words change, and you see a lot of people that are trying to say things because they want to assure themselves, and then they want to find other people that agree with them.

00:00:39.000 Twitter is such a dangerous thing for people who are mentally unstable during these trying times.

00:00:43.000 You watch people lose their minds.

00:00:45.000 Well, it's a form of escapism.

00:00:47.000 It is, but it's also they're trying to find some stability in a time where there is no stability.

00:00:54.000 And there's some people that are very uncomfortable with the unknown.

00:00:58.000 They're very uncomfortable with things being in a state of flux.

00:01:01.000 They don't know how this is going to work out.

00:01:04.000 And they get serious anxiety.

00:01:06.000 Some people, they're just not good under pressure.

00:01:09.000 And this is a thing where everyone's under pressure.

00:01:12.000 Yes, yes.

00:01:12.000 So you see all these...

00:01:14.000 People that are freaking the fuck out.

00:01:16.000 Oh, I know.

00:01:17.000 Those folks haven't had to deal with pressure.

00:01:20.000 Right.

00:01:20.000 Think about yourself.

00:01:21.000 You've had to deal with a lot of pressure.

00:01:23.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:23.000 Yeah.

00:01:24.000 Well, I did that.

00:01:25.000 You thrive under pressure.

00:01:26.000 I do. 0.99

00:01:27.000 And I witnessed the challenge in front of me and then I'm like, well, what the fuck are you going to do? 0.99

00:01:33.000 Are you going to freak out? 0.96

00:01:34.000 And I have a nice bandwidth for my understanding with myself that So I went through all that last year.

00:01:43.000 Like, I really, like, you know, I didn't tour at all in 2020. And so, like, I was alone a lot.

00:01:51.000 And I had to, like, work on some shit. 0.99

00:01:54.000 Yeah, that's rough. 0.99

00:01:55.000 And, you know, what's interesting is I did this thing where I, like...

00:02:02.000 I figured some stuff out. 1.00

00:02:03.000 Because when you're on the road, you can just leave your shit. 1.00

00:02:06.000 You're just busy. 1.00

00:02:07.000 What's in front of you is a show.

00:02:09.000 And you're entertaining.

00:02:10.000 And you're exhausted.

00:02:11.000 You don't sleep that much.

00:02:12.000 And it's go, go, go, go, go.

00:02:13.000 And then when time stopped last year, I was like, oh, man, I got all this baggage.

00:02:20.000 I gotta unpack it, and I don't want to.

00:02:23.000 But I did, and it was kind of profound.

00:02:27.000 And when I decided to move to Austin, that was part of this thing that I just discovered of great change that needed to take place in my life.

00:02:38.000 And then I met the love of my life when I got here, which is crazy because...

00:02:44.000 I had just signed on to this autonomous plan of not dating anyone for nine months.

00:02:51.000 I did it for a couple months and it was awesome.

00:02:55.000 It was like the best I'd ever felt.

00:02:57.000 Making sure it was just me.

00:02:59.000 I'm not letting anybody in.

00:03:01.000 I've got something I have to do.

00:03:03.000 And then when I stopped caring about it, The stars aligned, if you will.

00:03:10.000 And I feel that way about the anxiety around my career.

00:03:14.000 The more I'm like, I have no control over what's happening.

00:03:17.000 They cancel my shows.

00:03:19.000 Whatever.

00:03:20.000 I was getting really sad about it.

00:03:22.000 I was getting really...

00:03:24.000 Anxious and depressed and then like the more I'm just like you said earlier, you know This challenge of what I can't do like It's actually kind of nice.

00:03:35.000 I'm just letting it go.

00:03:37.000 I I'll take what I can get. 0.99

00:03:39.000 I see what you're saying You know like you found like a balance in yourself and then you may met someone like that's that's like the if you would talk to like a psychologist clearly I'm not one of those but if you could I would give you some bad advice I'd be like, fucking suck it up! 1.00

00:03:55.000 Definitely be the worst psychologist ever. 0.95

00:03:58.000 But I think they would all tell you that that's when you're going to make your healthiest choices because you're comfortable with yourself.

00:04:04.000 It's like when people get desperate, right?

00:04:06.000 That's one of the things like an attractive person could be desperate and it makes them unattractive. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Totally.

00:04:12.000 It's the weirdest thing about human nature.

00:04:14.000 We can't attribute it all to the shape of a face or the shape of a body.

00:04:20.000 There's something about a person, the way they hang out, the way they talk to you.

00:04:26.000 You're not compatible with everybody.

00:04:28.000 And some people, they just have a hard time syncing up, and they come off desperate.

00:04:35.000 And then everybody gets grossed out.

00:04:37.000 Do you know that there's a thing...

00:04:40.000 I've really struggled with that.

00:04:42.000 Have you?

00:04:42.000 On the receiving end of, like, feeling like I owe people that energy.

00:04:48.000 Well, you're very kind.

00:04:50.000 That's why.

00:04:50.000 You're a very kind person.

00:04:52.000 And I'm getting better at saying no.

00:04:53.000 But that was, like, a really hard thing for me.

00:04:55.000 To not, like, just, like, you know, run myself ragged trying to be whatever someone expected of me.

00:05:02.000 When at the end of the day I was like, I don't like this.

00:05:04.000 I'd rather remove myself from the situation.

00:05:08.000 But I'm a late bloomer there.

00:05:11.000 No one really knows how to do it because whoever you are now, hopefully, no matter how old you are when you listen to this, whoever you are now is the best version of yourself.

00:05:22.000 But we don't all start at the same starting point.

00:05:24.000 It's a hard thing to recognize, but as I've gotten older and hopefully a little bit wiser, I've recognized that in more and more people.

00:05:33.000 We all start at a different spot. 0.88

00:05:36.000 And everybody's got their own challenges and weird fucking journey. 0.99

00:05:39.000 So what it takes for you to just get your shit together, and even if it's not in comparison to how you have your shit together in 10 years, you know, hopefully you'll be better at it in 10 years. 0.99

00:05:50.000 But we're all like, ah! 0.99

00:05:52.000 Well, it's that waiting thing. 0.99

00:05:53.000 That's where you get fucked up. 0.98

00:05:55.000 Because, like, if I'm waiting for the success I've always wanted or the return I want to see on my hard work, I'm going to be miserable. 0.99

00:06:03.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:04.000 So, like, the choice is, well, what are you going to do with that worry or that energy?

00:06:10.000 And so, and I mentioned this earlier, like, I have to create.

00:06:15.000 I have to create.

00:06:16.000 I have to make music.

00:06:17.000 And wherever that lands, wherever that music goes, you know, obviously I have some say in it, but a lot of it isn't up to me.

00:06:24.000 Especially now, since everything's digital and, you know, it just goes where it goes.

00:06:29.000 You know, if it goes viral or whatever that means anymore.

00:06:32.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 Well, at least you can create.

00:06:37.000 Imagine being a crazy actor and not being able to work for a year.

00:06:42.000 You can't act.

00:06:43.000 There's some people that they have to do whatever it is they do, whether it's acting or comedy or whatever, singing.

00:06:49.000 They feel like that's them.

00:06:50.000 That's their identity. 1.00

00:06:51.000 And if you take away their identity for a whole year, People can really struggle with who the fuck they are. 0.98

00:06:58.000 You don't get the thing that you love to do you can't do. 0.98

00:07:00.000 Whatever it is.

00:07:01.000 So many things were taken away from people.

00:07:04.000 So many things that people enjoyed doing.

00:07:06.000 Live performance was a big one, right?

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:09.000 So we all went kind of crazy.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, they took our medicine away.

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:13.000 Isn't it weird?

00:07:16.000 First of all, you realize, A, that that can happen.

00:07:18.000 And then when it keeps happening for long periods of time, you start going, wait a minute, why am I giving up agency to other humans that are making poor choices?

00:07:29.000 Poor choices for the economy, poor choices socially, poor choices for how we look at life and risk.

00:07:37.000 And then how much faith are we putting in pharmaceutical companies?

00:07:41.000 Now all of a sudden you have to lift a finger.

00:07:44.000 You have to stop being a baby and you have to actually do your work.

00:07:48.000 Have an understanding and have discernment.

00:07:51.000 And a lot of us don't have that.

00:07:53.000 You just can't give up control.

00:07:55.000 The thing that everybody's worried about now is us moving into some sort of a digital social passport system.

00:08:03.000 That is 100% possible.

00:08:06.000 That can happen.

00:08:07.000 We have to be really careful about that.

00:08:08.000 And people are like, why would that be such a bad idea?

00:08:11.000 Who says that?

00:08:12.000 People do.

00:08:13.000 People are saying it.

00:08:16.000 Regardless of how you feel about vaccines, the real problem is having a mandate.

00:08:24.000 The real problem is telling someone you have to do something.

00:08:26.000 Even if you're right, the real problem is telling someone that they have to do something.

00:08:32.000 This one's a weird one.

00:08:33.000 Especially when there's no proof that any of this works.

00:08:36.000 Well, there's proof that it works.

00:08:38.000 The vaccines, when they're working on people, definitely seem to improve their outcomes.

00:08:44.000 They definitely make whatever the illness is.

00:08:48.000 They make it less severe.

00:08:51.000 But so does being in shape.

00:08:53.000 So does having a high level of vitamin D. I'm not saying it imparts the same amount of protection, but it's a protection that's ignored.

00:08:59.000 They know now, and they've known for a while, that COVID attacks fat cells.

00:09:04.000 There was a New York Times piece about it the other day.

00:09:06.000 But you don't hear this expressed over and over again in the news like you hear all these other things.

00:09:11.000 Buy like a new pill coming out or a new this or you got to do that or make sure you do this and triple mask and whatever it is.

00:09:17.000 They don't tell you, well, here's a sign that for sure, if you're overweight, we should fix this collectively.

00:09:25.000 We should talk about this the same way we talk about all these other pandemics.

00:09:28.000 Let's talk about the pandemic of people just not being healthy.

00:09:32.000 Yeah, well, you know, that becomes this touchy subject of like the way, you know, be yourself is celebrated and, you know, being healthy is anti.

00:09:41.000 It's very weird.

00:09:42.000 It's very backwards.

00:09:43.000 The be yourself is celebrated.

00:09:44.000 I get it because here's the thing.

00:09:47.000 Most people that are like severely overweight are like, again, not a psychologist.

00:09:53.000 But I would say there's issues other than just the physical that make you want to eat that much food.

00:10:00.000 It's a crazy addiction.

00:10:02.000 And I don't think it's much different than all the other ones, the gambling ones or whatever drug ones.

00:10:08.000 It's a similar thing, I think.

00:10:10.000 And you can't just expect people to fix it on their own.

00:10:13.000 So this whole like, you know, you're okay being you movement, you're beautiful as you are, it's good psychologically for these people because the conceit is that these people are damaged.

00:10:24.000 That something's wrong.

00:10:25.000 That's why you've eaten all this horrible food, whether it's something's wrong education-wise or whether it's something wrong emotionally, like someone hurt your feelings and put you in a bad place in life, or you grew up in a household that's shitty or that has poor food choices. 0.98

00:10:42.000 Whatever the fucking thing is, obviously you and I are different than those folks. 0.98

00:10:46.000 But why? 0.99

00:10:48.000 We should definitely appreciate each other, but we all should be honest.

00:10:52.000 We should say, we can all fix this.

00:10:55.000 We can fix this body thing.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, it's difficult.

00:10:58.000 For some people at least.

00:10:58.000 I know, I know.

00:10:59.000 And it's very sensitive.

00:11:01.000 And at the end of the day, some of the people I care about that are overweight, it's...

00:11:11.000 It's difficult because it feels like you're watching someone hurt themselves in a way that there are other choices for healthier outcomes.

00:11:23.000 But it's weird.

00:11:25.000 It's such a taboo.

00:11:27.000 You can't really say anything.

00:11:29.000 No, you can't.

00:11:31.000 It's really tricky.

00:11:33.000 People get super, super offended by it.

00:11:36.000 It's not that much different than a cigarette thing.

00:11:39.000 But if you tell cigarette people, they're like, I know, I know.

00:11:42.000 Well, it's sort of the question is like, are you happy? 0.99

00:11:44.000 And if they are, then like, fucking hands off, not my call. 0.97

00:11:48.000 And if you say, no, I'm not. 0.99

00:11:49.000 I'm actually really uncomfortable or I'm miserable.

00:11:52.000 Well, then there's another conversation to be had.

00:11:54.000 But again, it's like, it's so much easier to say that to an alcoholic.

00:11:58.000 You know, be like, hey, I see you really destroying yourself and I love you and I'm here for you.

00:12:04.000 What can I do to help you?

00:12:05.000 You know, it's so much more socially acceptable for that.

00:12:09.000 Right.

00:12:10.000 But it's yeah, it's a body shaming issue.

00:12:12.000 That's it.

00:12:13.000 You know, that's not the case.

00:12:15.000 I would never do that to anybody.

00:12:16.000 It's not about shame.

00:12:18.000 It's about concern and care for your well-being.

00:12:22.000 You know, like that's that's it.

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 The bad feeling is what we're trying to avoid, right?

00:12:30.000 We're trying to avoid people having a bad feeling.

00:12:33.000 I think there's ways to address the positive aspects of losing weight and not so much the negative aspects of being fat.

00:12:42.000 You could explain to people and they could do the math themselves.

00:12:46.000 You could tell them that they probably could use it, but let them figure it out on their own. 0.81

00:12:51.000 But the most important thing is get everybody fucking doing something You know, I realized this just over the last few days because, you know, over Christmas break, family was over and there was a lot of food and I ate like a whole pie. 0.86

00:13:05.000 What kind of pie? 0.97

00:13:07.000 I ate so much.

00:13:08.000 I ate everything.

00:13:09.000 I ate pumpkin.

00:13:10.000 I ate cherry.

00:13:12.000 So you ate more than one pie.

00:13:13.000 Oh, no, I ate a lot.

00:13:14.000 Collectively.

00:13:16.000 Suzanne, I have a real problem with food.

00:13:17.000 So I understand people that are overweight.

00:13:20.000 Yeah, but you've got the metabolism of a dragon, so you're fine. 0.98

00:13:23.000 But Work it off and I do also I trick I do little tricks like I don't eat for like, you know 24 hours after I eat something horrible like that Yeah, I let it burn through my system, but I'm so stupid cuz I pay the Punishment like I felt like shit for the rest of the day. 0.96

00:13:38.000 I felt like shit headache or anything Exhausted I was like this is what I felt like just I had a whole pie in me. 0.97

00:13:47.000 At least one pie. 0.98

00:13:48.000 I had so much pie.

00:13:50.000 Did you work out too hard?

00:13:51.000 Did you take the day off?

00:13:51.000 No.

00:13:52.000 It was family over.

00:13:54.000 There was too much high.

00:13:56.000 How's everybody doing?

00:13:57.000 Having fun.

00:13:59.000 But just a few days.

00:14:01.000 If I just go three days with no working out, I start to feel like no working out and eating pie. 0.99

00:14:07.000 I feel like shit. 1.00

00:14:08.000 You feel awful. 1.00

00:14:09.000 That's just three days. 1.00

00:14:10.000 All your chemicals are fucked up. 0.96

00:14:12.000 Your endorphins are not getting your serotonin and all that stuff. 0.99

00:14:15.000 It's basically like pulling the cork out of the bottom of your bathtub. 1.00

00:14:20.000 And all the fucking you juice just runs down through the drain. 1.00

00:14:24.000 All the you juice and the pie and the key lime. 1.00

00:14:27.000 Whatever makes you you.

00:14:28.000 It just all runs on E. It's like...

00:14:31.000 Because you are you when you're feeling your best, right?

00:14:35.000 That's the best version of you.

00:14:37.000 You definitely don't have that after you eat a pie.

00:14:39.000 Well, here's how I feel about those designated food party days and drinking. 0.99

00:14:43.000 Like, I have to tell myself in advance, you're going to eat like a dickhead. 0.98

00:14:48.000 And just, no complaining. 0.99

00:14:50.000 Like, you know what you're going to do.

00:14:51.000 I'm a sweet, salty kind of gal, so I'll, like, eat the pie and then eat some Fritos.

00:14:56.000 But then I want the sweet stuff again.

00:14:58.000 And it's a cycle.

00:15:00.000 And I just, like, I have to, like, prepare myself and know, like, this is the day, and then tomorrow you're, you know, back at it.

00:15:07.000 But it's, yeah, I feel you.

00:15:10.000 I felt like I had a headache on Christmas because I ate so many cookies.

00:15:15.000 And, yeah, no, I was just like...

00:15:18.000 It's poison!

00:15:19.000 You know?

00:15:19.000 It's poison!

00:15:20.000 I know. 1.00

00:15:21.000 Your body's like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:15:24.000 Isn't it funny that we've created something that almost everybody loves that's terrible for you? 1.00

00:15:28.000 Like a cookie.

00:15:29.000 Like one of them giant ones.

00:15:31.000 Yeah.

00:15:31.000 Oh my god, but they're so good.

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:34.000 Well, it's funny.

00:15:34.000 Like, cultures are, you know, wrapped around food in this way that's really interesting.

00:15:39.000 Like, you know, you go to the South or, like, you know, New Orleans, you get beignets and stuff like that.

00:15:44.000 Yeah.

00:15:44.000 You, like, you have to get a donut and you're over here.

00:15:46.000 Gotta get barbecue in Austin.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:15:48.000 And, like, that shit fucks me up, man. 1.00

00:15:50.000 Like, I love it, but I have a super sensitive stomach. 1.00

00:15:53.000 And, you know, it's interesting how...

00:15:56.000 You have these obligations sometimes in that way, whereas no one's putting a gun to your head.

00:16:03.000 No, but if you want pizza and it's right there, you want that pizza.

00:16:06.000 Did you see the video that I put on my Instagram?

00:16:07.000 I did.

00:16:08.000 That was hilarious.

00:16:09.000 The little baby eating pizza for the first time.

00:16:11.000 Jamie, have you seen that?

00:16:11.000 It doesn't get more honest than that.

00:16:12.000 How adorable is that?

00:16:13.000 That little face.

00:16:14.000 Can you play it for me?

00:16:15.000 That little face.

00:16:16.000 Because this is not an act.

00:16:18.000 This is a baby baby.

00:16:20.000 It's a baby baby.

00:16:21.000 That's a genuine...

00:16:23.000 So when she rolls her eyes back while she's eating that pizza, it's like no one feels happier.

00:16:28.000 No one taught her how to do that.

00:16:30.000 But it's so bliss. 1.00

00:16:32.000 Because if that was a commercial for your pizza, holy shit would you make a fucking billion dollars off that pizza. 1.00

00:16:38.000 Just from that ad. 0.99

00:16:39.000 You know, I was just telling my man yesterday, I said I never order pizza.

00:16:43.000 And I grew up, you know, my family owned an Italian restaurant.

00:16:46.000 So we had pizza like four times a week.

00:16:48.000 And pasta.

00:16:49.000 And it was...

00:16:51.000 Part of our lives.

00:16:53.000 But I always had stomach aches.

00:16:56.000 But I'd still eat it.

00:16:57.000 And my mom would be like, you're faking.

00:16:59.000 And I'd be like, no, my stomach really hurts. 0.99

00:17:01.000 And to this day, if I have that white bleach flour gluten in a pizza or a burrito, I'm totally fucked. 0.97

00:17:15.000 I'm incapacitated for a few hours. 0.95

00:17:18.000 It's glue.

00:17:19.000 I know.

00:17:20.000 It's glue.

00:17:20.000 You're eating glue.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:17:23.000 So, you know, I realized that there was this time in my life where I ate that stuff all the time, and I love it.

00:17:29.000 But it's just, you know, if I want to suffer, I will eat it.

00:17:35.000 And I'll probably enjoy it for a minute before it all goes downhill.

00:17:39.000 Yeah.

00:17:39.000 Have you ever had any of that?

00:17:41.000 There's a certain kind of grain...

00:17:42.000 I can do some gluten-free sometimes.

00:17:44.000 It's okay.

00:17:44.000 But there's a certain type of gluten.

00:17:46.000 There's a certain type of flour.

00:17:48.000 What is it called?

00:17:49.000 Double O flour?

00:17:50.000 Is that what it's called?

00:17:51.000 It's a non-genetically modified flour.

00:17:54.000 Okay. 0.97

00:17:54.000 Now, again, I'm a moron, but I've... 0.97

00:17:58.000 Mayor Keenan told me this, and he actually grows food. 1.00

00:18:03.000 He grows wine and makes his own wine and shit. 0.99

00:18:05.000 He's got a vineyard, Caduceus Vineyard. 1.00

00:18:07.000 He knows his shit. 0.99

00:18:08.000 And he said that essentially what used to happen was they used to have a very low yield grain. 1.00

00:18:15.000 And over the years of fucking with it, they've turned it into a very high-yield grain, but it has more of these glutens in it, whatever a complex gluten is.

00:18:24.000 But is that specifically to the US? Because, you know, you go to Europe, they have different flour. 0.74

00:18:28.000 Let's watch this baby.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, no, their flour is different.

00:18:32.000 I don't think their flour is as modified as ours.

00:18:36.000 Watch this little baby.

00:18:37.000 Watch this.

00:18:40.000 She takes a bite.

00:18:49.000 That's just pure bliss.

00:18:52.000 Look at this baby.

00:18:53.000 Look at her close her eyes and lean her head back. 1.00

00:18:59.000 It's amazing.

00:19:00.000 Wow.

00:19:01.000 It's so adorable.

00:19:02.000 I know it.

00:19:03.000 Oh my god, that's pure bliss.

00:19:05.000 That baby's like, yes, yes.

00:19:08.000 And this is where it starts.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:11.000 Pure bliss.

00:19:12.000 Like, oh.

00:19:13.000 When she was doing that with her lips, too, like, oh, Jesus, this is so good.

00:19:18.000 I mean, you can't really blame her.

00:19:20.000 I just love when things are like that when you see a pure expression.

00:19:25.000 You can't teach a kid that.

00:19:27.000 That's who she is.

00:19:30.000 She's not putting it on.

00:19:30.000 She didn't know how it looks when she makes that face.

00:19:34.000 She just ate the pizza and she's like, oh yeah.

00:19:36.000 Kids are amazing like that though with joy.

00:19:38.000 You know what's amazing about kids is like They can take a compliment.

00:19:43.000 Like, when you say, hey, that's pretty cool, and they're like, yeah, I'm the best, you know?

00:19:49.000 And, like, no adult would ever say that, because whenever we get a compliment, we always say something bad about ourselves.

00:19:54.000 Right, right, right.

00:19:55.000 At least I do.

00:19:55.000 It's something I've had to work on, is say thank you, instead of, like, but kids are, you know, their joy is, until, you know, they reach a certain age, or, you know, hopefully nothing bad happens, but, like, the joy in them is amazing.

00:20:11.000 It's so beautiful. 0.92

00:20:11.000 Well, they haven't been fucked up yet. 0.92

00:20:13.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

00:20:15.000 Don't I know it. 0.97

00:20:17.000 They all have different levels of whatever the fuck it is to be a person, different levels of personality factors. 0.98

00:20:24.000 They're wired in from birth. 0.98

00:20:27.000 Like, you could have, like, five kids from the same family, and they all have totally different personalities.

00:20:31.000 Oh, my God, I know.

00:20:32.000 Okay, but what is that?

00:20:34.000 You have siblings?

00:20:35.000 What is...

00:20:35.000 Yeah, just one sister.

00:20:37.000 Yeah.

00:20:37.000 But, like, what is that?

00:20:38.000 Like, what makes someone...

00:20:40.000 I think it's so many things. 0.95

00:20:41.000 There's fucking so many factors of what it means to be a person. 0.94

00:20:44.000 It's nature and nurture, and I think there's some spirituality involved sometimes. 0.99

00:20:47.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:20:47.000 I know, I know.

00:20:49.000 And, like, which makes it, like...

00:20:54.000 Equally as, I don't want to say as exciting, but like terrifying as a, you know, a parent to think like, oh my God, this one time I said this thing and then the kid was never the same, you know, or, you know, I guess you kind of have to leave that up to, you know, fate or whatever.

00:21:08.000 But it is fascinating how, I mean, I would say my sisters and I were raised differently because of our different personalities and our, you know, Predispositions to whatever trouble all of us would get in, which were all very different troubles.

00:21:24.000 You know, we all did different bad stuff.

00:21:26.000 You have to find your bad stuff.

00:21:28.000 But I was always upfront about my bad stuff.

00:21:30.000 I think that's why I'm so close with my parents.

00:21:32.000 Like, I moved to New York City when I was 16. And I was on my own when I was 17. And they were like, we believe in you.

00:21:38.000 Go get it.

00:21:39.000 Jesus Christ.

00:21:40.000 You know, I was like...

00:21:42.000 Going to bars and stuff.

00:21:44.000 That's so great.

00:21:45.000 17. They let me go to Tokyo when I was 16 for six weeks.

00:21:49.000 Holy shit. 0.97

00:21:50.000 Because I used to be a model when I was a teenager. 0.99

00:21:54.000 And I look back and I'm like, I can't believe they let me go.

00:21:59.000 Let me turn this down because it's buzzing. 0.99

00:22:02.000 Yeah, if everybody's like, something wrong, fucking Jamie. 0.99

00:22:05.000 It's not Jamie's fault. 0.99

00:22:06.000 That was me and my practice amp.

00:22:09.000 It wouldn't have made it to the mix.

00:22:11.000 It wouldn't have made it to the mix.

00:22:13.000 I could have taken that out.

00:22:14.000 You could have?

00:22:15.000 Really?

00:22:15.000 You're such a pro.

00:22:16.000 He's a pro.

00:22:17.000 I know.

00:22:17.000 The mix.

00:22:19.000 Well, we'll just take it out anyway, folks.

00:22:21.000 There's a little bit of feedback.

00:22:24.000 Yeah, they let me go to Tokyo, and I was...

00:22:28.000 Going to the club every night.

00:22:31.000 I'm not a joke.

00:22:33.000 I was hanging out with the Yakuza.

00:22:37.000 They would take me and my friends out to dinner, but nothing funny.

00:22:41.000 I came back.

00:22:43.000 I remember I landed at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport and I was like, Mom, Dad, I drank a lot.

00:22:47.000 I tried ecstasy.

00:22:48.000 I'm still a virgin.

00:22:49.000 I had a great time.

00:22:51.000 Thank you for letting me go.

00:22:52.000 I didn't get into too much trouble.

00:22:55.000 I was.

00:22:58.000 I was very open with them about who I was, and so I think we had a trust.

00:23:05.000 I had values, even though I had all this freedom.

00:23:10.000 I wasn't going to be a hoe. 1.00

00:23:15.000 I wasn't going to be stupid. 0.90

00:23:16.000 I had things that I really cared about that were important to me.

00:23:20.000 As much fun as I liked to have, I still felt responsible.

00:23:25.000 The idea that you should coddle your children is being challenged all the time.

00:23:31.000 And Jonathan Haidt, he's one of those guys that's into free-range children, like let your kids figure their way home. 1.00

00:23:41.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:23:42.000 Yeah, like let your nine-year-old figure their way home in New York City. 1.00

00:23:46.000 That's rough.

00:23:48.000 Well, I mean, it is, but I did it when I was a kid.

00:23:50.000 I mean, I think the world's more...

00:23:52.000 I mean, the question is, is the world a more dangerous place now, or do we perceive it as a more dangerous place because we know the danger now?

00:24:00.000 Like, the danger was always there.

00:24:01.000 It just wasn't as highlighted.

00:24:03.000 Like, I almost got molested twice when I was a kid.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, I remember you telling the story.

00:24:07.000 It's scary.

00:24:08.000 Because I think if someone wasn't there that recognized it at the library when I was, I guess I was like eight or nine or something like that.

00:24:15.000 I'm not sure how old I was.

00:24:16.000 I don't totally remember.

00:24:18.000 But if that lady wasn't there and she didn't see that man trying to escape with me, who knows?

00:24:24.000 I mean, I might have been dead. 0.99

00:24:25.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

00:24:27.000 I have no idea. 0.99

00:24:28.000 Yeah.

00:24:29.000 But did you have the discernment at the time that you were in trouble or did you think you were going to go play with some puppies?

00:24:34.000 I thought I was going to play with puppies.

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 I thought he was going to show me some books.

00:24:37.000 I was completely naive.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:39.000 I think I told you about this once too.

00:24:42.000 We were pretty...

00:24:44.000 I grew up in Parma, Ohio until middle school, which is pretty blue-collar, so you get a lot of working folks and a lot of alcoholics.

00:24:56.000 There were total pedophile stuff on the street, and you'd just be like, oh, don't go to that house.

00:25:03.000 It was just common knowledge to know where your My understanding of trouble was.

00:25:13.000 And I feel like, actually the song I want to sing to you is about that.

00:25:17.000 And I had that revelation not that long ago about how fortunate I feel to have had this upbringing where I experienced real life and I wasn't coddled.

00:25:30.000 I mean, I have great parents, and they took really good care of us.

00:25:34.000 We're so loved and supported.

00:25:36.000 But, like, I have the opportunity to be outside a lot.

00:25:40.000 And, like, you know, play outside, be home by dinner.

00:25:42.000 Like, people don't do that anymore.

00:25:44.000 They have playdates.

00:25:45.000 They have, like, supervised, you know, like, it's not...

00:25:48.000 I mean, I'm sure in some places your kids can go play outside.

00:25:52.000 But, I mean, like...

00:25:56.000 There was this kid who would walk the tree line of our backyard every day in army fatigues and a BB gun.

00:26:03.000 And I always got a sick feeling every time I saw him.

00:26:06.000 And at one point our babysitter told us that he tried to force himself on her.

00:26:12.000 And, like, she lived with her grandfather, so if that doesn't tell you, like, that's a tough situation.

00:26:16.000 So I remember my parents going to talk to her grandfather, and, like, years later, this guy, like, was a convicted serial rapist, like, dozens of women in the greater Cleveland area.

00:26:25.000 And I used to see him every day looking out the back kitchen window, walking across our backyard.

00:26:30.000 And, like, I mean...

00:26:34.000 It's just, you know, I look back at that stuff and it's very sad, but it's also like, but I knew something, you know, obviously, like, something's wrong with that kid, you know?

00:26:44.000 Right, but you could have got in a bad situation, right?

00:26:47.000 Well, there was, I think I told you this on the podcast.

00:26:50.000 This was a story I told a long time ago.

00:26:52.000 There was another kid who, so when I was little, I was, I still am, but I was obsessed with fishing and You said when I was little, but I still am.

00:27:00.000 I'm still obsessed with fishing.

00:27:01.000 I love fishing.

00:27:03.000 I love to fish.

00:27:04.000 You're still little.

00:27:06.000 In some ways, Joe, I am.

00:27:08.000 Well, I hope we all keep a little bit of that.

00:27:11.000 Yeah, I'm like, you know, I'm an excitable adult, so I feel like a little kid sometimes.

00:27:17.000 I think that's good.

00:27:18.000 I think that helps.

00:27:19.000 I really do.

00:27:20.000 Yeah.

00:27:21.000 So I was playing in the backyard by myself.

00:27:23.000 Specifically, I was trying to make a seesaw, but I was by myself, so you really need two for that.

00:27:29.000 Like you need someone on the other end.

00:27:31.000 And I didn't have any shoes on.

00:27:34.000 And this one boy, I can't remember his name, but he was my sister's age.

00:27:37.000 So he was like three or four years older than me.

00:27:40.000 So he was like a boy, like, you know, adolescent.

00:27:43.000 I think I was like nine.

00:27:45.000 And he came out of the woods and he said, Suzanne, there's a largemouth bass in the creek.

00:27:50.000 You've got to come see it. 0.98

00:27:52.000 And I was like, holy shit, let me get my shoes. 0.98

00:27:54.000 And I mean, I was so excited, like nothing would have stopped me from going to see a largemouth bass in the creek. 0.95

00:28:01.000 And I ran up to my room and I put my shoes on and I don't think my parents were home.

00:28:05.000 I think my sisters were there.

00:28:06.000 And as I started to run out the door, like there was something in me that like I got clotheslined.

00:28:14.000 And just was gripped with terror.

00:28:17.000 And I can't explain it.

00:28:19.000 I can't tell you.

00:28:21.000 No one said anything to me because, like, I was a pretty determined kid.

00:28:25.000 So if someone told me something cool was happening, I was going to be there.

00:28:28.000 And I look back and obviously there's no chance that kind of fish would be in the creek.

00:28:32.000 It was just crayfish and, you know, like, nothing.

00:28:35.000 There's no fish in the creek.

00:28:37.000 And, you know, later this kid was, like, herding animals in his treehouse.

00:28:40.000 I remember he, like, blew up a squirrel.

00:28:42.000 And I really think that that was a powerful moment in my life where it could have gone another way.

00:28:51.000 Because I do believe that the boy would have hurt me.

00:28:55.000 But yeah, I mean, it's pretty crazy.

00:29:02.000 When I think about the time when I was in the library, as an adult, thinking back on it, how crazy it is that someone got to a point where they were essentially my age, or maybe a little younger.

00:29:14.000 I don't remember how old the guy was.

00:29:15.000 He might have been in his 20s for all I know.

00:29:17.000 I was a little kid.

00:29:18.000 It was just a man.

00:29:21.000 That kind of person exists where they go to places where kids hang out and they try to catch strays. 0.95

00:29:27.000 Crazy.

00:29:27.000 They try to catch some stray kid that's not under protection, not under the watchful eye of a parent, just wandering around.

00:29:34.000 Well, I mean, that's our version of...

00:29:37.000 We have this version of bad guys, but you go to Europe and the abductions and human trafficking is through the roof. 0.99

00:29:45.000 Yeah, it's terrifying because they find people in basements and shit. 0.98

00:29:50.000 There was a woman who just got... 1.00

00:29:52.000 She was missing and they found her in a basement.

00:29:55.000 So you can find the story.

00:29:56.000 They found her in a basement covered in coal. 0.99

00:29:59.000 Some guy had grabbed her and put her in his fucking basement. 1.00

00:30:03.000 I think she was gone for a couple days. 0.99

00:30:07.000 What is the story?

00:30:09.000 What is the...

00:30:11.000 I think the world is different.

00:30:13.000 I mean...

00:30:14.000 Look at this.

00:30:15.000 Missing Utah college student found alive and covered in coal in man's basement.

00:30:19.000 Utah college student was found nearly 90 miles from campus in the home of a man who has been charged with kidnapping and rape, police said. 1.00

00:30:28.000 Holy fucking shit! 1.00

00:30:30.000 How long was she there? 1.00

00:30:33.000 Five day manhunt for missing 19 year old college student concluded with police finding her alive after a harrowing ordeal.

00:30:41.000 A Utah man is now in custody. 0.99

00:30:44.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:30:45.000 She was found naked and covered in coal in a coal storage area of a home in Loa, Utah on December 18th. 1.00

00:30:51.000 Oh my god.

00:30:55.000 You remember the girls in Cleveland.

00:30:58.000 I mean, not to keep this, this is pretty dark, we're having a dark conversation here, but I was home when they were found.

00:31:02.000 Right, there was like 10 girls. 0.99

00:31:04.000 Three girls.

00:31:04.000 Three girls?

00:31:05.000 I made it up.

00:31:05.000 I made up the extra sex.

00:31:06.000 The one girl had been there for, I believe, 13 years, but the two were there for 10. Oh my God.

00:31:12.000 But, I mean, it's crazy.

00:31:16.000 I was home when they were discovered.

00:31:17.000 Oh my God.

00:31:17.000 It was insane.

00:31:19.000 It was...

00:31:20.000 Three women missing for a decade.

00:31:23.000 Why did I think it was 10?

00:31:25.000 And a six-year-old?

00:31:26.000 Yeah, because one of the girls had a child. 0.94

00:31:29.000 Oh, and he kept the baby with the women in the cage? 0.95

00:31:33.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

00:31:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:36.000 So, I guess...

00:31:38.000 Oh, my God.

00:31:38.000 I guess there is a...

00:31:40.000 Yeah...

00:31:41.000 We do have to keep our head on a swivel.

00:31:43.000 Well, this is what's crazy, Suzanne.

00:31:44.000 What's crazy is that this, even though as horrible as it is, that it exists in 2021, the thing is, it's rare.

00:31:51.000 That's what's weird.

00:31:53.000 If you look at human history, I mean, I think people have been doing that kind of thing to people forever.

00:31:58.000 For a long time.

00:31:59.000 Forever.

00:31:59.000 Just take it.

00:32:00.000 Just grabbing people, snatching them.

00:32:06.000 We're like, you know, just an advanced primate.

00:32:08.000 But I think with that said, I feel, and maybe I don't want to toot my own horn here, but I feel like there's a degree of my instinct that I have now.

00:32:22.000 That like, you know, ooh, this feels familiar, or this doesn't feel right.

00:32:26.000 And I've gotten really good at just going with it, even if I'm wrong.

00:32:30.000 I'd rather be wrong and look like a crazy person than right and in trouble.

00:32:35.000 Yeah, but you probably wouldn't be wrong.

00:32:37.000 You're pretty easygoing.

00:32:40.000 I think you recognize patterns and you recognize squirrely thinking from a person where someone just seems off.

00:32:49.000 Something about the reaction seems off and you're like, I gotta get out of here.

00:32:54.000 I'll see you later. 0.98

00:32:55.000 Well, people can pretend to have their shit together for a long time. 0.98

00:32:59.000 Like, people can trick you for a long time. 0.99

00:33:01.000 I know.

00:33:02.000 Especially if you're sweet, if you're a nice person.

00:33:05.000 I hate that. 1.00

00:33:06.000 Trying to make friends, and then you let someone into your midst, and you go, oh, you're fucking crazy. 1.00

00:33:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:13.000 That is a lot of work, huh?

00:33:15.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 You just dumped all this work on me.

00:33:16.000 Like, they'll sell you something.

00:33:18.000 It's like the previews, and then you watch the movie, and you're like, hey.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 This is not the movie. 0.99

00:33:23.000 Why did I pay $5.99 for this crap? 0.99

00:33:25.000 This is a totally different movie. 0.99

00:33:28.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 Oh, man.

00:33:31.000 Well, you want to hear a song?

00:33:33.000 Yeah, I do want to hear a song.

00:33:34.000 I want to change course.

00:33:37.000 How's this?

00:33:39.000 Is that too loud?

00:33:40.000 Okay.

00:33:42.000 You know, it's funny.

00:33:42.000 This is called Mercy and your nurse outside.

00:33:45.000 Mercy.

00:33:45.000 What a gem.

00:33:46.000 She's awesome. 0.83

00:33:47.000 She's awesome. 0.83

00:34:00.000 Your mama came running out of the house A wild look in her eyes You trailed her all the way down the block Till she sat right down and cried Curtains swaying in every window Cracked Venetian black Yeah, 0.58

00:34:22.000 it could be any one of us with a broken mind Yeah, it could be any one of us with a broken mind And I learned about mercy I learned about mercy For everyone else

00:34:52.000 and for myself, I learned about mercy.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, I was just a kid then, skinning my knees in Woodbury Hills, trying to make a little sense, but my heart got crushed when the cat got killed.

00:35:18.000 Was it mean With his keep outside and his poison milk How I learned to keep the door locked The thought of it still gives me chills And I learned about darkness I learned about darkness Heavy like sick or hidden in

00:35:48.000 a kiss I learned about darkness Sometimes I don't know how to be How to shut my mouth,

00:36:04.000 how to let things breathe And it gets so hard to see With my history standing in front of me I always fought with my sisters White knuckle and nonsense Hands 0.70

00:36:34.000 full of blisters They felt like strangers They still do now Sometimes they're saviors Sometimes they're saviors And I learned about changing I learned about changing You win some,

00:37:01.000 you lose some Cry about things that used to be fun But you're changing Yeah, we're changing Yeah,

00:37:17.000 we're changing That's beautiful.

00:37:30.000 Thanks.

00:37:31.000 I like it.

00:37:32.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:37:33.000 Some new shit. 0.99

00:37:34.000 I love it. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Some new shit. 1.00

00:37:35.000 You know, I just played at Antone's here in Austin. 0.99

00:37:38.000 I love that place.

00:37:39.000 With Gary's whole band. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:37:41.000 It was so much fun. 0.99

00:37:42.000 And then he and Nicole were there.

00:37:45.000 So we snapped.

00:37:46.000 That was the 15th, right?

00:37:47.000 The 15th.

00:37:48.000 Yeah, it was fun.

00:37:49.000 I had a gig.

00:37:50.000 We got Gary to sit in with us.

00:37:52.000 Oh, really?

00:37:53.000 Well, when you guys did Midnight Rider that one time...

00:37:55.000 You love it!

00:37:56.000 Don't play it!

00:37:56.000 You'll get in trouble again!

00:37:58.000 I don't know if we're getting in trouble now that we're on Spotify.

00:38:00.000 I think we didn't get away with it.

00:38:02.000 We got in trouble over on YouTube.

00:38:04.000 I love playing with Gary.

00:38:09.000 He's just so cool.

00:38:10.000 Yeah, he's so cool.

00:38:11.000 But the two of you guys together, I'm telling you.

00:38:13.000 It's fun.

00:38:13.000 That is a wild combination.

00:38:16.000 You guys should record some shit for sure. 0.99

00:38:18.000 You know, we've been hanging out in the studio a little bit. 1.00

00:38:21.000 You must.

00:38:21.000 It's been fun.

00:38:21.000 You two together with his fucking guitar and your voice.

00:38:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:38:26.000 So fun. 0.99

00:38:26.000 So I got to do... 0.99

00:38:27.000 Dude, that was special.

00:38:29.000 It was.

00:38:29.000 I really wish you guys would record that.

00:38:31.000 Oh yeah, well, you know...

00:38:32.000 You really should record that.

00:38:33.000 Because Gary has his own sound.

00:38:36.000 Gary's one of those guys where he's so...

00:38:39.000 Like, I have no musical information. 0.99

00:38:41.000 I don't know how to play shit. 0.99

00:38:43.000 That's not true. 1.00

00:38:43.000 No, no, I don't know anything. 1.00

00:38:44.000 Yeah, but you're a listener.

00:38:46.000 I'm a listener.

00:38:47.000 But what I'm saying is like...

00:38:49.000 I don't know how to play guitar.

00:38:50.000 I don't know what's involved.

00:38:51.000 I know you move your fingers.

00:38:52.000 It looks beautiful.

00:38:53.000 The sound's incredible.

00:38:54.000 But I know that some people, they can make it sing, and you hear them.

00:39:01.000 Like, Gary's one of those people.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:02.000 He channels it.

00:39:02.000 When he plays that guitar, when he's playing that solo in Midnight Rider, I'm like, oh my god, that's Gary Clark Jr. doing Midnight Rider.

00:39:09.000 Like, if you played it for me, I'm like a sommelier at a fancy restaurant.

00:39:12.000 It feels like it comes from another place.

00:39:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:15.000 Like, he's a real, he's like channeling something.

00:39:19.000 He's putting himself into his music.

00:39:21.000 That's Gary Clark Jr. That music is him.

00:39:24.000 You can hear him in the music.

00:39:25.000 It's pure.

00:39:26.000 He hits these notes where you're like, oh, that's Gary.

00:39:29.000 But everybody plays guitar.

00:39:31.000 Not everybody, but obviously it's hard to do.

00:39:33.000 He has a signature.

00:39:34.000 And his voice is so good.

00:39:36.000 A month ago, was it?

00:39:38.000 A couple weeks?

00:39:39.000 Yeah, it was a month ago.

00:39:40.000 I got this call.

00:39:43.000 I was at the mall buying jeans.

00:39:45.000 And I got a call and they said, hey, can you be in Cincinnati tomorrow?

00:39:49.000 Their openers got COVID. And I was like, fuck yes. 0.99

00:39:52.000 And I got on a plane and I opened for them for two nights by myself. 0.99

00:39:56.000 And it was so much fun because one, I got to just like play music for people.

00:40:03.000 But two, they have a bubble, you know?

00:40:05.000 And I rode on the bus with them.

00:40:07.000 They have a bubble?

00:40:07.000 A bubble.

00:40:08.000 A COVID bubble?

00:40:09.000 Yeah.

00:40:09.000 You're with the crew, you're tested every day, and don't go hang out with friends in St. Louis.

00:40:15.000 So I just got to play.

00:40:17.000 I didn't have to go out and sell merch or anything, and then just watch them. 0.82

00:40:21.000 And it was so fucking awesome.

00:40:23.000 They're so good. 0.89

00:40:24.000 The whole band.

00:40:25.000 Eric Zapata, Elijah Ford, J.J. Johnson, John Keyes.

00:40:29.000 His whole band is phenomenal.

00:40:32.000 Yeah.

00:40:32.000 No, he's also in touch with some amazing musicians here.

00:40:37.000 I know.

00:40:38.000 You know, like the Peterson Brothers?

00:40:40.000 How badass are those dudes?

00:40:42.000 They're so sweet. 0.97

00:40:42.000 They're so sweet, but they're also so fucking talented. 0.97

00:40:46.000 And you watch the two of them together, you're like, oh my god, there's two of them! 0.94

00:40:49.000 I know.

00:40:50.000 They're so nice.

00:40:51.000 They're so nice, but they're so talented.

00:40:53.000 And, you know, it's like Gary's music, it fits perfectly in this town, too.

00:41:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:01.000 It does.

00:41:02.000 Well, he's from here.

00:41:04.000 You know, this is his court, you know?

00:41:06.000 You can tell.

00:41:07.000 Like, it fits.

00:41:08.000 And it's really cool.

00:41:09.000 But he's, you know, he's such a good dude.

00:41:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:13.000 He's the shit. 1.00

00:41:14.000 It's like, I'm such a fan that, like, you know, I want to... 1.00

00:41:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:19.000 Oh, I love it.

00:41:21.000 When was this?

00:41:23.000 It was 2016. It was a long time ago.

00:41:25.000 It's like, who's drumming?

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:31.000 This is 2016. Yeah, it's a long time ago.

00:41:33.000 This is back when the world was real.

00:41:35.000 Oh my god.

00:41:36.000 Back before we entered into the metaverse.

00:41:38.000 You know, we're on machine time now.

00:41:42.000 It's moving so fast.

00:41:44.000 We're just always on the thing.

00:41:47.000 And I have discovered that I'm most happy when I take a lot of walks.

00:41:54.000 I go on long walks along with working out.

00:41:57.000 And when I'm reading books, like actual books.

00:42:00.000 Oh, so you read them while you're walking?

00:42:03.000 No, no.

00:42:03.000 Those are two separate experiences.

00:42:05.000 Okay.

00:42:07.000 You can do them at the same time.

00:42:08.000 But it brings me back to some reality within myself where I'm not like... 0.96

00:42:13.000 Caught up in a tornado of emotions from social media or my fucking email or just the news. 0.87

00:42:21.000 The minute I pick this thing up that has me on a leash, I feel like I've lost my agency and I never know what's going to happen and then I have to collect myself afterwards. 0.95

00:42:32.000 Why am I pissed off?

00:42:33.000 Oh, it's because my followers went down. 1.00

00:42:35.000 Or something stupid like that. 1.00

00:42:37.000 That's just ridiculous and it takes away from everything. 1.00

00:42:42.000 The problem with followers is you can see them. 0.85

00:42:45.000 You see the number.

00:42:47.000 It's kind of the craziest thing ever.

00:42:48.000 You see a number.

00:42:51.000 And that's one of the reasons why it's so addictive, right?

00:42:54.000 Like the likes.

00:42:55.000 Well, yeah, you get your dopamine.

00:42:56.000 Yeah, very addictive.

00:42:56.000 All that stuff.

00:42:57.000 Very addictive.

00:42:58.000 But I also get my dopamine from playing Scrabble.

00:43:01.000 Yeah.

00:43:01.000 You got to be careful.

00:43:03.000 Like real life things.

00:43:05.000 The problem is it's making people alter the way they think about other people.

00:43:12.000 Of course.

00:43:12.000 Because everybody's projecting this version of themselves that's so unrealistic.

00:43:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:18.000 Or they're being super sherry.

00:43:20.000 Oh yeah.

00:43:21.000 Sharing a little too much.

00:43:22.000 No, that's the thing too of like, you know, so I got engaged and we wanted to like post something and I was like, oh man, like I feel like, not that I'm not excited because I am, but there's something about it that I hesitated at first,

00:43:37.000 but, but it, and it was beautiful.

00:43:39.000 Like we feel so good to, to share our announcement, you know, but I get a little knee-jerk with just being inundated with people's feelings all the time because most of the time there's not a solution.

00:43:56.000 You know, it's just the, I feel bad, you know, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:01.000 And I get that and I have empathy, but I think there's some...

00:44:05.000 I wonder what happens when you don't share that publicly and you figure out how to heal yourself and...

00:44:13.000 Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with sharing it publicly.

00:44:15.000 A lot of people, they can push aside the negativity and they can look at it in perspective.

00:44:21.000 Maybe it's the victim thing that I'm really reacting to.

00:44:23.000 Victim thing?

00:44:24.000 Like victim society.

00:44:26.000 Oh.

00:44:26.000 Well, I mean...

00:44:28.000 The thing about sharing something on social media that's a super positive thing.

00:44:33.000 It's just a positive thing.

00:44:34.000 It's just love.

00:44:35.000 It's just love.

00:44:36.000 Great.

00:44:36.000 Anybody that would react in a negative way.

00:44:38.000 Because you're not just thinking like, oh, that bitch. 1.00

00:44:42.000 Or, oh, fuck him. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Or whatever. 1.00

00:44:44.000 People think we're...

00:44:45.000 It depends on how much rent they owe and... 0.98

00:44:48.000 You know, their girlfriend dumped them, they got fired from their job, and they're fucking angry.

00:44:52.000 But the fact that they can type something really mean that you could read, and for no reason, you're taking this, like, we're not designed for that. 0.95

00:45:00.000 Right.

00:45:00.000 It's not healthy.

00:45:01.000 So it's not bad to Post something, but it is bad to read all the things that various random people think about the posting because you don't have that much time.

00:45:12.000 Every single thing that a person says to you, you at least have to consider. 1.00

00:45:16.000 You can say, oh, that person's a moron. 1.00

00:45:18.000 I don't think they're correct. 1.00

00:45:19.000 Or maybe that person's smarter than me.

00:45:21.000 Maybe I should consider what they're saying. 0.99

00:45:23.000 But when it's just random assholes and you don't know anything about them and they're saying mean stuff to you because you're posting, you got engaged to your fiance. 0.97

00:45:31.000 Why? 0.99

00:45:32.000 Well, I think we're talking about a lot of things.

00:45:36.000 We're talking about a lot of things.

00:45:38.000 I know.

00:45:38.000 That's that Snoop Dogg weed.

00:45:39.000 Woo! 0.99

00:45:41.000 I haven't smoked it yet, and I think I'm going to wait because I'm scared.

00:45:45.000 Well, it's also Buffalo Trace.

00:45:48.000 Oh, yeah, it's so good.

00:45:49.000 I'll take a little more of that, by the way.

00:45:51.000 I know you would.

00:45:52.000 I know you would.

00:45:53.000 It's going to be one of those shows.

00:45:53.000 Well, I don't want to knock on anyone that shares their feelings on social media, because I've done it, too.

00:45:57.000 No, there's nothing wrong with it.

00:45:58.000 I think it's the manner in which you're projecting yourself onto a public platform.

00:46:07.000 Sometimes it feels...

00:46:12.000 Sometimes it doesn't feel genuine, you know, as a reader. 0.99

00:46:15.000 But at the same time, I think I'm just over all of this shit. 0.99

00:46:21.000 Cheers. 1.00

00:46:22.000 Cheers.

00:46:23.000 I want to be in nature. 1.00

00:46:25.000 I just want to be out of this shit. 0.99

00:46:27.000 Well, we don't know how to do this, Suzanne. 0.99

00:46:30.000 I think this is the problem.

00:46:31.000 There's no...

00:46:32.000 Don't judge me.

00:46:33.000 I'm sure people are giving...

00:46:34.000 I'm going to smoke this Juul.

00:46:34.000 No, good.

00:46:35.000 Get in there.

00:46:35.000 I think people are giving out...

00:46:38.000 Mother's milk.

00:46:38.000 They must be giving out classes.

00:46:39.000 Are you a nicotine addict?

00:46:41.000 No, I just...

00:46:42.000 Is that Juul with marijuana or Juul?

00:46:44.000 No, it's a Juul with nicotine.

00:46:45.000 Oh.

00:46:46.000 Yeah, I guess I am a nicotine addict sometimes.

00:46:49.000 How long have you been doing that?

00:46:50.000 A little while.

00:46:51.000 But...

00:46:53.000 You don't smoke cigarettes, do you?

00:46:56.000 That could roughen up that voice, kid.

00:46:57.000 I know, it's so bad.

00:46:58.000 Be careful.

00:46:58.000 Well, this isn't good for my voice either.

00:47:00.000 Be careful. 0.99

00:47:00.000 I think that's basically going to just kill your body. 0.99

00:47:03.000 Do I fucking know it? 0.99

00:47:04.000 I don't think it's going to mess up your voice. 0.98

00:47:06.000 Yeah, no, I have rules.

00:47:07.000 I'm going to put this down in like a week, and then I'll just be away.

00:47:10.000 No more.

00:47:10.000 I think it's probably better.

00:47:13.000 Better than a cigarette.

00:47:14.000 There's a problem that gets demonized.

00:47:15.000 When something gets demonized, I have to say, okay, are they demonizing this because it's actually bad?

00:47:22.000 Or are they demonizing this because it's a threat to profits for an established company that has a shit ton of money?

00:47:28.000 One of the things I talked to Adam Curry.

00:47:30.000 You know Adam Curry?

00:47:31.000 Okay, yes.

00:47:32.000 I love No Agenda.

00:47:33.000 He's the best.

00:47:34.000 He's the podfather.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan.

00:47:35.000 I really like him a lot.

00:47:36.000 If not for him, none of this would be possible.

00:47:38.000 And John C. Dvorak.

00:47:39.000 I like when they have their little fights.

00:47:41.000 Yeah.

00:47:42.000 Well, they're super smart guys, and Adam is a good friend.

00:47:45.000 I love him to death.

00:47:46.000 Awesome!

00:47:46.000 I love him to death.

00:47:47.000 One of the reasons why I came here, talking to him, he's so smart.

00:47:51.000 When he was high on Austin, I was like, okay, maybe he's on something.

00:47:54.000 But anyway, he talked to me about this, and he said a lot of this was based on a bunch of people who died, a group of kids that died from bad e-cigarettes that were actually marijuana cigarettes.

00:48:09.000 Oh, he smokes these things, right?

00:48:10.000 I do not know if he does that anymore.

00:48:12.000 He may have in the past.

00:48:14.000 I'm not exactly sure.

00:48:15.000 He smokes a lot of weed, though.

00:48:16.000 Good for him. 1.00

00:48:18.000 That motherfucker can throw down. 1.00

00:48:19.000 See if you can find what that story was, Jamie? 1.00

00:48:22.000 There was like, there were e-cigarette, but it was e-weed.

00:48:26.000 And so they were attributing it to vaping.

00:48:28.000 They were saying all these kids died from vaping.

00:48:29.000 And he's like, no, no, no.

00:48:30.000 It was a small group of kids that died because there was a tainted product.

00:48:34.000 And he said, I don't think I'm paraphrasing him.

00:48:38.000 I think he was saying that it's one of those things, like we talked about earlier, it's either the outrage is because something is really, really dangerous or the outrage is because something threatens profits of something else.

00:48:49.000 And I should just, out of the way, I'm 100% in favor of you buying cigarettes.

00:48:53.000 Oh, wow.

00:48:55.000 Cigars.

00:48:56.000 I drink whiskey.

00:48:57.000 It's not good for you.

00:48:58.000 When the mood strikes, I'll buy a pack, and then I'll go months without smoking.

00:49:02.000 It's just like a thing about...

00:49:03.000 It grounds me, I think.

00:49:06.000 But I think he was saying that we have this idea that it's really bad to vape, and it might not exactly be true.

00:49:12.000 This is the CDC's website, but I remember this.

00:49:14.000 This is the vitamin E stuff they found in.

00:49:16.000 Okay, this is it.

00:49:16.000 Vitamin E acetate is strongly linked to EVALI outbreak.

00:49:22.000 I don't know what that means.

00:49:23.000 Vitamin E acetate has been found in product samples tested by the FDA in state laboratories and in patient lung fluid samples tested by CDC from geographically diverse states.

00:49:35.000 Vitamin E acetate has not been found in the lung fluid of people that do not have whatever EVALI is.

00:49:45.000 See if you can find that story.

00:49:47.000 There was kids that died, and they died from tainted...

00:49:52.000 That's this.

00:49:53.000 But is there a story that says...

00:49:55.000 Was there like a bacteria in there or something?

00:49:56.000 I mean, this was the CDC looking into it.

00:49:57.000 They had to write this because they looked into it because it was a thing.

00:50:01.000 Right.

00:50:02.000 It was a national issue.

00:50:03.000 So is this the story of the, okay, so it says at the top when you scroll up, it says outbreak of lung injury associated with the use of e-cigarette or vaping products.

00:50:12.000 I guess I'm looking for like a dumb story and this is like a page of the government CDC site.

00:50:18.000 The thing is, Joe, it's really difficult to decide what's real.

00:50:25.000 You hear a story, you see a story on the internet, and maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

00:50:32.000 Like you said, it's major commerce.

00:50:36.000 Look at this though.

00:50:36.000 The mysterious vaping illness that's becoming an epidemic.

00:50:40.000 A surge of severe lung ailments has baffled doctors and public health experts.

00:50:45.000 Okay, here's one thing I do know.

00:50:47.000 I do know of a family who had a young son who was a teenager who died and they think it has a connection to vaping.

00:50:54.000 He got very sick and he had some sort of a lung issue.

00:50:58.000 And I gotta imagine that if you're doing it all day long, like a lot of these kids are, they're doing it all day, like if you can give a kid something where you give them, which nicotine is essentially, is it listed as a stimulant?

00:51:11.000 Yes.

00:51:11.000 Is it a stimulant?

00:51:13.000 Yes?

00:51:14.000 Is that what they call it?

00:51:14.000 Yeah, and it makes you feel so good.

00:51:17.000 Nicotine gives you the greatest head rush.

00:51:18.000 I love a cigar.

00:51:19.000 Jamie, do you still smoke?

00:51:20.000 Good for you.

00:51:22.000 I was going to add into this, which I don't know.

00:51:25.000 I know that from when this happened, whoever was getting them, or I don't know if it was a national thing, so lots of people that were getting the actual cartridges that they were putting the juice or the oil or what have you in, those were where the issues started, I think.

00:51:39.000 The cartridges themselves were bad.

00:51:41.000 Yes, I think they said they were contaminated or something.

00:51:45.000 There was something wrong with them, right?

00:51:47.000 Right.

00:51:47.000 I remember they were saying they were coming from China.

00:51:50.000 I don't know.

00:51:51.000 Well, it's like everything else.

00:51:53.000 If it was regulated, like if you could only get a version of it where there was some sort of potential culprits in mystery lung illness, black market vaping products.

00:52:08.000 So this is some lung illnesses?

00:52:10.000 Is that what it is?

00:52:11.000 Is that what they're saying?

00:52:12.000 It got so confused because it just started popping up.

00:52:15.000 They're called popcorn lung and all sorts of weird things.

00:52:17.000 But here's the thing.

00:52:18.000 I think if you're doing anything like that all day long, if you're taking any mist into your body that has chemicals in it, which is essentially what those things are, those ones that look like a lunchbox and these kids are sucking on them and they make Giant clouds of smoke. 0.98

00:52:32.000 Those kids are taking in stimulants through their fucking blood vessels all day long. 0.98

00:52:39.000 They're sucking it into their lungs. 1.00

00:52:41.000 All I can say is, I know if I do this too much, I don't feel well.

00:52:47.000 And that's something to be conscious of.

00:52:49.000 Like me with pie.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, like your pie.

00:52:51.000 Exactly.

00:52:52.000 Yeah, my situation was eating too much pie.

00:52:53.000 So, you know, like right now I'm kind of like in holiday mode.

00:52:56.000 And just in general, like my cell phone, like I don't like when something has a hold on me. 0.97

00:53:00.000 I don't like when I wake up and I'm having my coffee and I'm like, where's my fucking jewel? 0.97

00:53:04.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:53:05.000 I don't like that.

00:53:05.000 My boy Sturgill just switched over to that light phone.

00:53:08.000 I got a green text from him.

00:53:10.000 I'm like, what's going on, son?

00:53:11.000 It's a light phone. 1.00

00:53:12.000 It's one of them little bullshit phones. 0.99

00:53:13.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Oh, you mean like a flip phone?

00:53:15.000 No.

00:53:15.000 It's like a phone that will let you only make phone calls and text messages.

00:53:20.000 It's a little tiny-ass phone. 0.89

00:53:22.000 You can't get along. 0.96

00:53:23.000 I want in on that.

00:53:24.000 You ain't watching no YouTube videos.

00:53:25.000 You ain't answering emails.

00:53:27.000 What a great dude.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, he went full light phone.

00:53:29.000 That's really smart.

00:53:30.000 Sent in that green text.

00:53:31.000 How's his quality of life, do you know?

00:53:33.000 I'm gonna check in a couple months when he's missing them eye messages.

00:53:37.000 He's missing them nice videos.

00:53:39.000 Because we would send each other memes. 1.00

00:53:41.000 I'm like, come on, bitch. 1.00

00:53:43.000 No more memes. 1.00

00:53:44.000 Sturgill out there in the woods.

00:53:46.000 Just handle it.

00:53:46.000 Just handle the pressure.

00:53:48.000 Just give yourself some discipline.

00:53:49.000 Does it tell time?

00:53:50.000 Does he know what time it is?

00:53:50.000 Maybe he knows what time it is.

00:53:52.000 It's like fucking, it's barely running correctly. 0.98

00:53:55.000 Do you remember the first phones, the Nokia phones with the snake game? 0.99

00:54:00.000 You know?

00:54:01.000 Anyone?

00:54:01.000 Snake game.

00:54:02.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:03.000 The game, yeah.

00:54:04.000 There were flip phones you'd play a game on, right?

00:54:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:07.000 I used to love that thing.

00:54:08.000 Or the little ones, little tiny phones.

00:54:10.000 It was like a one-piece jammy. 0.99

00:54:11.000 My first text message of like, what the fuck do you do with this? 0.99

00:54:14.000 And I'd just be like, hi! 0.98

00:54:17.000 It takes like three minutes to make a hi!

00:54:19.000 It's me, Suze!

00:54:20.000 You know?

00:54:21.000 Oh, because you'd have to be like, dot, dot, dot, H, I... It was so dumb. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Oh my god, look at that little cutie. 1.00

00:54:27.000 That's great.

00:54:29.000 Smallest mobile phone, L8 star, BM70. 25 bucks.

00:54:34.000 You can buy that and you can call people with it.

00:54:36.000 I bet the battery life is like four days.

00:54:38.000 The whole thing just stays in your ear.

00:54:39.000 The whole thing stays in your ear?

00:54:41.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

00:54:41.000 He shoved the whole thing in his fucking ear. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Is that real? 1.00

00:54:45.000 I don't know.

00:54:45.000 No, no, that's a Bluetooth headpiece, bro.

00:54:47.000 I don't know.

00:54:48.000 That's the whole thing.

00:54:48.000 Look at it.

00:54:49.000 Look, see?

00:54:50.000 Oh no! 1.00

00:54:51.000 Is this in your fucking ear? 1.00

00:54:53.000 Oh my god! 1.00

00:54:54.000 What is the battery life on this thing?

00:54:56.000 A hundred hours.

00:54:57.000 A hundred hours?

00:54:58.000 What?

00:55:00.000 A hundred days?

00:55:01.000 That's amazing.

00:55:02.000 And it's on T-Mobile, so everything sucks about it.

00:55:05.000 Oh, hey! 0.85

00:55:06.000 That was just a joke.

00:55:07.000 I didn't mean that.

00:55:08.000 Oh, slam! 1.00

00:55:08.000 I didn't mean that, T-Mobile. 1.00

00:55:09.000 Don't get mad at me.

00:55:10.000 What are you, a Verizon guy?

00:55:11.000 I'm nothing guy.

00:55:12.000 I love T-Mobile.

00:55:13.000 Superior battery.

00:55:14.000 You love T-Mobile?

00:55:14.000 It was just a joke.

00:55:16.000 It was a joke.

00:55:16.000 I had to do it.

00:55:17.000 It was right there.

00:55:18.000 Oh, I was not rolling.

00:55:18.000 120 hours on standby.

00:55:20.000 That's the tiniest phone I've ever heard of in my life.

00:55:23.000 Are you on your phone a lot?

00:55:25.000 Too much, for sure.

00:55:26.000 Yeah.

00:55:26.000 But not a lot.

00:55:27.000 Not like a ridiculous amount.

00:55:29.000 But most of it has zero to do with me.

00:55:32.000 I'm just like watching.

00:55:33.000 Most of it's YouTube videos.

00:55:34.000 Right.

00:55:35.000 And maybe books on tape if I'm driving.

00:55:37.000 Well, that's different.

00:55:38.000 Books on tape, you're learning something.

00:55:40.000 I have no...

00:55:41.000 Not the kind of books I'm learning.

00:55:42.000 What are you listening to?

00:55:43.000 Racy novels? 1.00

00:55:44.000 I'm not learning shit. 1.00

00:55:46.000 No. 0.99

00:55:46.000 Just kidding. 0.99

00:55:47.000 No, I have listened to quite a few novels.

00:55:50.000 I do enjoy novels.

00:55:51.000 You know what I enjoy about novels?

00:55:53.000 Is that they have an actor read it, but they have the guy do the girl voice.

00:55:57.000 Oh yeah, that's funny.

00:55:58.000 It's hilarious.

00:55:59.000 Like, James, where are we going? 0.63

00:56:01.000 You're like a grown-ass man.

00:56:03.000 Do a girl voice, and you have to, like, the suspension of disbelief has to kick in. 1.00

00:56:08.000 Yeah, that's totally a really hot girl. 1.00

00:56:11.000 He's not even trying.

00:56:12.000 You know, but sometimes it's done really well.

00:56:14.000 I'm listening to Hemingway right now.

00:56:16.000 The Sun Also Rises.

00:56:18.000 Really great.

00:56:19.000 Oh, but does he do a girl voice in that?

00:56:20.000 It's read by William Hurt, and he does all these accents.

00:56:23.000 Oh.

00:56:23.000 And it's really well done.

00:56:27.000 Yeah.

00:56:27.000 But I think, yeah, that's funny.

00:56:29.000 You know, when I did a couple tours by myself, where I was driving like 10, 12 hours a day by myself, and I was, like, the thing that kept me going were racy novels.

00:56:39.000 Right.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, you get caught up in it, right?

00:56:41.000 And I'd be like, I'd be so into it that I'd like be listening when I got to my hotel, but I'd be like, just kiss her!

00:56:47.000 You know, like pounding on the dashboard, like I was so invested in it.

00:56:50.000 And yeah, you know what?

00:56:53.000 I'm just, it is what it is.

00:56:55.000 You know, I still maintain my dignity.

00:56:57.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:56:58.000 Girls, for whatever reason, are into pornographic literature, but they're not into visual pornographic stuff. 1.00

00:57:08.000 Some girls are. 1.00

00:57:10.000 Pardon me.

00:57:10.000 You're right.

00:57:11.000 I'm generalizing.

00:57:13.000 But the point is, this is what I can say generally, is that one thing exists in the female culture that doesn't exist in the male culture, and that's written pornography.

00:57:25.000 Sure.

00:57:25.000 Like, books that are...

00:57:27.000 I don't know.

00:57:27.000 Comic books, though.

00:57:28.000 Comic books can get pretty romantic.

00:57:30.000 Yeah, but they're visual.

00:57:30.000 Well, yeah, that's true.

00:57:32.000 Yeah, I'm just saying, like, just, like, Shades of...

00:57:35.000 What is it?

00:57:35.000 Fifty Shades of Grey?

00:57:36.000 You know what it's called.

00:57:37.000 I do.

00:57:38.000 I just forgot it in the moment.

00:57:39.000 Come on.

00:57:40.000 You've been watching it.

00:57:41.000 What was that called back then? 1.00

00:57:41.000 It's tattooed in my ass. 1.00

00:57:42.000 What? 1.00

00:57:42.000 It was, like, letters... 1.00

00:57:43.000 It wasn't letters together, but it was, like, penthouse letters.

00:57:45.000 Yeah, penthouse letters.

00:57:46.000 There was definitely some of that where dudes just jerked off to, I'm sure. 0.96

00:57:50.000 However... 1.00

00:57:51.000 Girls have entire relationships with like perverts like Fifty Shades of Grey or vampires like the fucking Twilight series. 1.00

00:58:00.000 Totally. 1.00

00:58:00.000 That was literally about girls having a sexual relationship with a vampire. 1.00

00:58:05.000 Right. 1.00

00:58:05.000 Which is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard of in my life. 1.00

00:58:08.000 Well, you know, first of all, there was romance. 1.00

00:58:08.000 There was romance involved. 1.00

00:58:09.000 He was dead!

00:58:10.000 And then she became a vampire too.

00:58:11.000 Sorry, spoiler.

00:58:13.000 Spoiler alert.

00:58:14.000 But my point is that it became a thing for girls, to the point where it made guys angry.

00:58:20.000 Like, guys got angry at Twilight.

00:58:21.000 It was really weird.

00:58:23.000 It was weird.

00:58:23.000 The thing is, so I can speak to my adolescent self on that, and the romance involved, it wasn't sexual.

00:58:29.000 I mean, eventually it was, but I read the books as a youngster.

00:58:35.000 And then I watch the movies.

00:58:38.000 And, you know, that's a lot different from like an actual racy novel.

00:58:43.000 Right.

00:58:44.000 You know, it was like teen romance drama.

00:58:47.000 Right, right, right, right.

00:58:48.000 Yeah, that's not a good example.

00:58:49.000 The better example is Fifty Shades of Grey.

00:58:51.000 Sure.

00:58:51.000 Twilight is a good example of romantic notions where women are looking for some vicious fucking killer that doesn't kill them.

00:59:01.000 Which is weird, but real. 1.00

00:59:03.000 That's one of the reasons why women want to marry serial killers. 1.00

00:59:06.000 What?

00:59:07.000 Oh, it's a big thing.

00:59:08.000 What?

00:59:09.000 Yeah, it's a huge thing.

00:59:10.000 Like Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker.

00:59:12.000 I'm sorry.

00:59:12.000 This is news to me.

00:59:13.000 Ted Bundy.

00:59:15.000 They get all these marriage proposals from women. 1.00

00:59:18.000 A lot of them are hot, too.

00:59:19.000 It's crazy. 0.94

00:59:20.000 And they find guys that are in jail for killing women.

00:59:24.000 And they want to marry those guys.

00:59:26.000 And they send them pictures of themselves nude.

00:59:28.000 And they try to do all kinds of things to get into romantic relationships with guys who are serial killers of women.

00:59:34.000 It's really common.

00:59:36.000 It's like...

00:59:36.000 I wonder what the Jungian take is on that one.

00:59:39.000 Right.

00:59:41.000 Let me think about that for a second.

00:59:43.000 Whatever it is, it's some weird thing that happens where a woman wants to align herself with someone who's willing to cross the line.

00:59:53.000 Like, the line of civility and civilization and community is assassination.

00:59:59.000 It's murder. 0.99

01:00:00.000 Someone's willing to, like, just go out there and do the wildest shit you can do is end a person's life, and it might be her life. 0.99

01:00:07.000 So they align themselves with this guy. 0.99

01:00:09.000 I feel like that would be like an interpretation of power in some way, obviously, because if you have the power and the gumption to end someone's life, that's a specified brand of power.

01:00:23.000 Right.

01:00:23.000 So, and, you know, I'll be honest, there's a lot of betas out there.

01:00:30.000 And, you know, I think that there's an imbalance of Actually, an egregious imbalance in our feminine and masculine social structure. 0.98

01:00:44.000 So, I mean, I'm not into serial killers, disclaimer, but I think I could understand a specific kind of woman that really needed a specific kind of energy, which is fucked up. 1.00

01:00:58.000 I mean, there's a lot of therapy in there. 0.87

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 I think that, you know, with this imbalance, a lot of us, like, not myself anymore, because I really did find my king, and he's something else.

01:01:13.000 And I've never felt this balance in my life, to be honest with you, because he's really such a man in so many ways in his intellect, but he's also...

01:01:25.000 He's so kind and sensitive.

01:01:27.000 He's jacked, too. 0.97

01:01:28.000 He's jacked, too. 0.99

01:01:29.000 He's really jacked. 0.97

01:01:29.000 Nick, that's you. 0.97

01:01:30.000 That's a little bit important.

01:01:32.000 Shout out to Nick.

01:01:33.000 Shout out to Nick.

01:01:34.000 I'll speak for myself.

01:01:35.000 I've been alone for a long time, and I've been lonely for a long time.

01:01:39.000 And I've been very autonomous in this way where I feel like I've had to be very masculine and feminine in the sense of just taking care of myself.

01:01:49.000 And it's really...

01:01:50.000 Masculine is like protecting yourself?

01:01:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:53.000 And like me looking out for me.

01:01:55.000 Right.

01:01:55.000 You have to be hard.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 A little bit.

01:01:57.000 And like in so many ways, being a musician, touring, and like just like, you know, being the only woman in a room full of men all the time.

01:02:06.000 But, you know, it's really since I met Nick and he really is like my match.

01:02:12.000 Like we are just, we were made for each other.

01:02:16.000 I get to be more of a woman now than I've ever been, and it's so cool.

01:02:20.000 Like, I love it.

01:02:21.000 Do you think that...

01:02:23.000 First of all, that's awesome.

01:02:25.000 I'm super happy for you.

01:02:27.000 But do you think that this is happening with people with, like, this sort of erosion of sexuality in terms of, like...

01:02:37.000 We have a divide between men and women sometimes in this country, for whatever weird reason.

01:02:43.000 And we also have a bunch of people that don't want to identify as either a man or a woman.

01:02:47.000 And I was talking to someone recently, where we were discussing this idea of where does...

01:02:59.000 Where does human biology go to next?

01:03:02.000 If we used to be some sort of cave person, and then we eventually became people on the internet, where does it go next?

01:03:09.000 Because it's going somewhere.

01:03:11.000 Well, technically, we have all the marks of a collapsed society with our obsession with sexuality and all the things that are...

01:03:20.000 Do you know who Douglas Murray is?

01:03:21.000 Yeah.

01:03:22.000 The Madness of Crowds.

01:03:23.000 Yes.

01:03:24.000 Amazing.

01:03:24.000 You know, a lot of my life has changed in so many ways, but specifically my politics and my belief in, you know, where I was before and where I am now, which is really in the middle.

01:03:38.000 I'm really in the taint.

01:03:39.000 Of all the stuff.

01:03:40.000 I think the taint is where civility lies.

01:03:43.000 Well, you know, Douglas Murray, man, the madness of crowds is...

01:03:46.000 It's genius.

01:03:47.000 It's genius. 0.65

01:03:48.000 And the thing about Murray is, like, he's got an interesting get-out-of-jail-free pass, too, because he's gay. 0.94

01:03:55.000 Because he's gay and conservative. 0.98

01:03:56.000 And he's conservative and gay. 1.00

01:03:57.000 They don't know what the fuck to do with him. 1.00

01:03:59.000 But he also says what he thinks. 0.93

01:04:02.000 And there's a lot of people that just can't do that anymore for whatever reason.

01:04:06.000 But one of the things that he said about...

01:04:08.000 Today said, if you look at past civilizations, whenever they were about to collapse, whether it's ancient Rome, ancient Greece, they got affixed on gender.

01:04:18.000 Gender became a giant issue.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, gender. 0.99

01:04:21.000 But sexuality, too.

01:04:22.000 It's like all of it.

01:04:23.000 It's like chaos.

01:04:24.000 There's something that happens where there's like the...

01:04:28.000 Sort of like dissolving of boundaries of everything.

01:04:32.000 Like throwing society out the window, lighting it all on fire, but with no plan of the future.

01:04:36.000 And then on top of that, people start questioning their sexuality, their gender.

01:04:40.000 It becomes more common to say, why am I doing it this way? 0.99

01:04:46.000 And it becomes more common for people to realize that this way, the traditional way, makes me feel like shit. 0.97

01:04:52.000 I don't want to do it. 0.98

01:04:53.000 I want to wear a dress.

01:04:54.000 I want to have sparkles in my eyes. 0.98

01:04:57.000 That's fucking cool too. 0.97

01:04:59.000 But I am with you in the middle of this. 0.97

01:05:04.000 I kind of lean more left socially with almost everything.

01:05:08.000 With almost everything.

01:05:09.000 Me too.

01:05:10.000 The only thing that fucks me up is the idea of accountability and discipline.

01:05:14.000 I think that one of the reasons why people are not as happy as they could is because there's some of us out there that are not putting in the amount of effort and time to take care of our bodies.

01:05:27.000 In terms of whether it's even just meditation or exercise or something, that requires discipline.

01:05:34.000 And sometimes you can't just be nice to people and expect them to have discipline. 0.99

01:05:38.000 Sometimes you have to say mean shit. 1.00

01:05:39.000 And you gotta go, hey, you're fucking up. 1.00

01:05:42.000 Like, we gotta get out of this little hole we're in here. 0.99

01:05:44.000 Let's go.

01:05:45.000 Well, what's the thing you said about the weak men make...

01:05:48.000 It's not me.

01:05:49.000 It's a very old saying.

01:05:50.000 But you posted this recently.

01:05:51.000 Well, it's a very old saying, but it's hard times create hard men.

01:05:57.000 Hard men create easy times.

01:06:00.000 Easy times create soft men.

01:06:02.000 Soft men create hard times.

01:06:04.000 I don't remember who was the author of that, but it's a very common expression that I think is real.

01:06:10.000 And I think it's represented in just our cycle of evolution, of developing as a race of people, as a civilization, life on Earth that's human.

01:06:25.000 We're all evolving and figuring this out.

01:06:27.000 And we're battling about how to do it and how not to do it and what to say and what not to say.

01:06:32.000 Yeah, yeah, no, it's so, everything's so offensive.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, but it's also, we're just sorting it out.

01:06:37.000 Like, in the middle of the offensive, there's people saying, it's not offensive, stop, relax.

01:06:41.000 And then everybody calms down a little bit.

01:06:43.000 There's like this battle going on back and forth.

01:06:46.000 I appreciate your peaceful way of approaching that.

01:06:54.000 Sorting it out.

01:06:55.000 That's a really nice way to say it.

01:06:56.000 Because it doesn't feel like that.

01:06:58.000 And I want to have a better way of not being so sad about how offended everybody gets.

01:07:04.000 We can sort it out, Suzanne.

01:07:06.000 All you people listening, we can sort it out.

01:07:09.000 I think most people want to be happy and kind and nice and have good friends.

01:07:13.000 Most people.

01:07:14.000 And there's a lot of confusion as to what that requires. 1.00

01:07:19.000 Are these people assholes and pieces of shit? 1.00

01:07:22.000 Or maybe they just have a different way of looking at stuff. 1.00

01:07:25.000 And if you guys talked, maybe they don't know anybody like you.

01:07:28.000 Maybe they meet you and they look at things different.

01:07:30.000 And maybe your ability to be humble and just project yourself and your thoughts honestly might affect them in a way where they could say, I never met anybody like that.

01:07:39.000 Now I'm starting to rethink things.

01:07:41.000 We all know that whatever you are in December 27th, 2021, whoever you are right now, this is not like your ultimate form.

01:07:51.000 As long as you're alive and you're thinking and you're growing, But we gotta decide that we're all in this together.

01:07:59.000 Yes.

01:08:00.000 And that we also gotta decide that the only way we can do what you do or what I do is freedom.

01:08:05.000 You have to be able to just say what you want.

01:08:07.000 You have to be able to go wherever you...

01:08:08.000 You can't be tied down for a reason that doesn't totally make sense to some government organization that...

01:08:18.000 You're so right.

01:08:20.000 And what I think is happening is people, mostly from societal persuasion and media persuasion, there's all this narcissism and this feeling of your individual suffering is more important or worse than someone else.

01:08:36.000 And so you got to speak up and attack this person because they're the culprit, you know, like Dave Chappelle or something like that.

01:08:42.000 And I think that it's interesting to me that Nobody can be...

01:08:48.000 Well, first of all, everyone's entitled to their feelings, right?

01:08:52.000 But these days, you can't quietly be uncomfortable or sort something out yourself.

01:09:00.000 There has to be this alignment with identity.

01:09:03.000 And the way that people are doing it is so divisive.

01:09:06.000 We are divided in so many ways.

01:09:09.000 And I realize that a lot of things I say...

01:09:16.000 People might not like, and I'm not used to that.

01:09:18.000 I love everybody, and I don't like offending people.

01:09:22.000 It makes me uncomfortable, and I'm a good person.

01:09:25.000 But lately, I've felt squelched.

01:09:29.000 I can't say what I really feel because, oh my god, this side's not going to like it.

01:09:35.000 You just can't be responsible for so many other people's opinion of you.

01:09:39.000 There's nothing you could do about that.

01:09:42.000 You're entitled to your own opinion of you, and I would assume your own opinion of you evolves as you grow and as you become a different person as you get older in life.

01:09:52.000 The problem with expressing yourself about any controversial subject is you're going to encounter a bunch of people that are deeply unhappy that disagree with you.

01:10:00.000 They're going to lash out at you in very personal ways.

01:10:04.000 There is a disagreement that can be had and can be had civilly and I have with friends or close friends who I love to death and I admire very much who have a different perspective on things than me.

01:10:18.000 That is okay too.

01:10:19.000 All of it is okay.

01:10:21.000 The problem is you open the door for people to feel morally justified in being horrible people to you. 1.00

01:10:27.000 Just nasty, evil, a person to you that disagrees with you and they can just be a nasty, evil piece of shit to you for almost no reason. 1.00

01:10:35.000 Just because we look at things differently. 1.00

01:10:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:38.000 And the idea is that anyone who, you know, that we're binary, anyone who's on the left side of this fence is fucked for life and everyone on the right side, I'll die for you! 1.00

01:10:47.000 Like, this is crazy tribal nonsense. 0.99

01:10:50.000 But so many of us buy into that because that's literally how our genetics were established.

01:10:56.000 Whoever we are that are here, we are the descendants of the people who made it. 0.98

01:11:00.000 And it is a rough and tumble fucking history. 0.97

01:11:03.000 If you go through the history of humans, before they could write things down, before anybody... 0.98

01:11:08.000 How about before we had language? 0.97

01:11:10.000 When they were just wild monkeys fucking each other and killing each other with rocks. 1.00

01:11:13.000 And we went from that to, oh, this guy killed my fucking husband with a rock. 1.00

01:11:18.000 No, I didn't do it. 1.00

01:11:19.000 Like, I was there, bitch. 1.00

01:11:20.000 There wasn't a law. 0.99

01:11:22.000 Yeah, and then they wrote things down.

01:11:24.000 And after they wrote things down, they started filming it. 0.99

01:11:26.000 Like, oh, fuck, you got me on YouTube? 0.98

01:11:27.000 And then, like, we're evolving in tune with technology because we're being, like, pulled along by a great magnet of truth. 0.99

01:11:36.000 So all the bad stuff is bad.

01:11:38.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:11:39.000 All the mean stuff is mean, but... 0.96

01:11:41.000 Part of it is because we don't know what the fuck we're doing yet. 0.98

01:11:44.000 We have these impossible tools where you can communicate with the whole fucking world. 0.99

01:11:48.000 You could be a TikTok star because you're like dressing up and dancing and you will have access to the minds of 45 million people, which is wild shit. 1.00

01:11:58.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:11:59.000 Wild shit, but it's real. 1.00

01:12:00.000 That's a real thing that's happening right now while you're being tracked by whatever fucking algorithms that app uses and whatever is checking what you're buying and where you're going and flying, what airport you fly out of. 1.00

01:12:12.000 Do you use Lyft or Uber? 0.99

01:12:15.000 There's a lot of weird shit. 1.00

01:12:17.000 The connection is fucking bananas. 1.00

01:12:19.000 Whatever new guys in town because they're usually cheaper anyway. 0.99

01:12:21.000 Yeah, exactly, right?

01:12:23.000 As we're doing this, though, you're moving in this direction of impossible integration into computers.

01:12:30.000 And what we're looking at with us, we're trying to keep our way of communicating was designed with no internet.

01:12:39.000 We're not designed for the internet.

01:12:41.000 We're not designed for the ability to access the opinions of millions of people simultaneously.

01:12:46.000 It's too much to ask.

01:12:48.000 We're on machine time and machine thinking.

01:12:50.000 I feel like I'm like a scout.

01:12:57.000 You've sent me down the trail.

01:12:59.000 You go, hey, I want you to go down the trail and gather up a couple hundred million downloads a month and tell us what's up.

01:13:06.000 Yeah, thanks for what you're doing for all of us.

01:13:08.000 Seriously.

01:13:09.000 Tell us what's happening.

01:13:10.000 You're a hell of a scout.

01:13:11.000 This is what it's like.

01:13:12.000 And I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

01:13:13.000 There's a cliff.

01:13:15.000 We're running towards a cliff.

01:13:17.000 I know.

01:13:18.000 Stop.

01:13:19.000 Everybody stop.

01:13:20.000 We got to hit the fucking brakes. 1.00

01:13:22.000 I know. 1.00

01:13:22.000 And they're like, you're an anti-vaxxer! 1.00

01:13:24.000 And they just fucking keep yelling, you don't believe in science! 1.00

01:13:29.000 Hashtag fuck Joe Rogan! 1.00

01:13:31.000 And I'm like, guys, guys, guys, I want us to make it! 0.99

01:13:35.000 There's a cliff!

01:13:37.000 There's a cliff!

01:13:38.000 Oh my god. 0.90

01:13:39.000 Everybody's gotta slow the fuck down! 0.98

01:13:41.000 Look, I'm taking in opinions from all directions. 0.98

01:13:45.000 It makes me feel like I'm going to cry.

01:13:46.000 360 degrees.

01:13:48.000 Yeah. 0.66

01:13:48.000 But I feel like at this point in time, with the chaos that's here right now, the fucking universe has put me in this place where I can at least have access to more opinions than most people. 0.66

01:14:05.000 Yeah. 0.61

01:14:06.000 If you disagree with me, that's fine.

01:14:10.000 I disagree with me all the time.

01:14:11.000 I know, it's hilarious.

01:14:13.000 But if you agree with me, that's fine too.

01:14:15.000 I might not even be right.

01:14:16.000 We might all be wrong. 1.00

01:14:18.000 But you can be a cunt. 1.00

01:14:19.000 And too many people just think it's okay to be a cunt today. 1.00

01:14:23.000 I know. 1.00

01:14:23.000 It's just okay to be a cunt. 1.00

01:14:24.000 It's okay to like... 1.00

01:14:25.000 Yeah, but that falls back on you because when you're a cunt, you have to live with yourself. 0.99

01:14:28.000 You do, but a lot of times they get extra cunty when no one responds because it generates the initial impulse and gives them some sort of like a pat on the back, some sort of like reinforcement. 0.99

01:14:40.000 I don't think so.

01:14:40.000 That what they're doing is okay.

01:14:41.000 I think I think at the end of the day, you know deep in that pinprick of your spine of your existence that you're being an asshole and it's not okay. 0.99

01:14:51.000 And there's something that's going to be unsettling. 0.99

01:14:53.000 Even if you have validation and a whole echo chamber of support, at the end of the day, it's not cool.

01:14:58.000 It's not okay.

01:15:00.000 If you think, right?

01:15:00.000 If you're a thinker, if you're a person who's discerning, you know, like you're really thinking about everything you say and everything you do and you want to make sure that you're a solid, good human being, you're 100% correct.

01:15:11.000 But there's a lot of people out there that are just existing on the revenue of being a cunt. 0.98

01:15:21.000 There's a lot of money and cuntiness. 0.99

01:15:23.000 You get a whole account going.

01:15:25.000 I think that it's a lonely time in that way.

01:15:32.000 But it doesn't have to be.

01:15:34.000 No, it's okay.

01:15:35.000 I'd rather be lonely and secure in my values, but I'm not because I have a hell of a partner and great friends.

01:15:42.000 That's you as well.

01:15:43.000 You deserve all of it and more.

01:15:45.000 You're an awesome human being.

01:15:47.000 Thanks, man.

01:15:47.000 Cheers to you.

01:15:48.000 Proud to be your friend.

01:15:49.000 Right back at you.

01:15:49.000 Likewise.

01:15:50.000 As always.

01:15:50.000 Thank you.

01:15:52.000 Dude, we've been friends for 10 years now.

01:15:53.000 How crazy is that?

01:15:54.000 Over 10 years.

01:15:54.000 Shout out to Balls of Steel.

01:15:56.000 Balls of Steel!

01:15:57.000 One dude, introduce me to you when you guys were doing Angel of Death.

01:16:01.000 That Angel of Death acoustic on the roof, I remember thinking, oh my god, what a beautiful song.

01:16:06.000 And it was everything about it.

01:16:08.000 It was not just the beauty of the song, it was the environment, the fact that it was an acoustic version that you guys did on a roof.

01:16:15.000 It was so real.

01:16:16.000 Thank you.

01:16:16.000 Shout out to Ben.

01:16:17.000 Shout out to Ben.

01:16:18.000 But it's been a long time.

01:16:23.000 I feel like people can listen to people that are navigating life still with joy and with happiness and with good friends.

01:16:34.000 We're all doing okay.

01:16:36.000 I think that's important to know. 0.99

01:16:40.000 Is that in the same time period as the shit is going fucking haywire and the culture war is at like full nuclear, you know, red alert threat. 0.99

01:16:50.000 There's still people out there that are just being nice to each other and having fun. 0.99

01:16:53.000 And what is really going on? 0.99

01:16:55.000 What's really going on, I think, is we're in the middle of a fucking transition. 0.96

01:16:58.000 Some sort of a weird digital integration. 0.99

01:17:01.000 And as much as we're trying to fight all this shit, and I think we should fight it being in control of human beings. 0.98

01:17:08.000 It's going to come a time, whether it's 10 years from now or 20 years from now, some fucking artificial intelligence is going to be far superior than us, and it's going to trick us into plugging into the Matrix. 0.99

01:17:17.000 They already are. 0.93

01:17:18.000 Yeah, by the way, that last Matrix.

01:17:21.000 Jamie liked it.

01:17:22.000 Oh, get out of here! 1.00

01:17:24.000 We can talk about that now.

01:17:25.000 I think you guys should, but not with me in the room.

01:17:29.000 Are you going to watch it?

01:17:29.000 I'll leave.

01:17:30.000 No, I haven't watched it yet.

01:17:31.000 My whole family was over.

01:17:32.000 I couldn't talk.

01:17:32.000 Do you want to talk about this later?

01:17:34.000 Yes.

01:17:34.000 We have to watch Elf.

01:17:35.000 We watched Elf last night. 0.99

01:17:37.000 Elf is fucking hilarious still. 0.98

01:17:39.000 It's still really funny. 0.99

01:17:40.000 It is.

01:17:41.000 It is.

01:17:41.000 That's 2003. That fucking movie is really funny.

01:17:44.000 You know what else is funny? 1.00

01:17:45.000 Daddy's Home.

01:17:46.000 With Mark Wahlberg?

01:17:47.000 Oh, yes.

01:17:48.000 And Will Ferrell?

01:17:48.000 It is funny.

01:17:49.000 Will Ferrell is a funny motherfucker. 0.99

01:17:51.000 Talladega Nights. 0.99

01:17:52.000 So is Mark Wahlberg.

01:17:53.000 Oh, he's very funny.

01:17:54.000 Very funny.

01:17:54.000 Yeah.

01:17:55.000 Talladega Nights is a fucking hilarious movie. 0.97

01:18:00.000 I did a movie with the main woman, Leslie Bibb, from Talladega Nights. 0.98

01:18:05.000 Really?

01:18:06.000 Amazing.

01:18:06.000 Yeah.

01:18:07.000 I did Zookeeper with her.

01:18:09.000 You know, I didn't tell you this, but so I'd never seen news radio until recently and Nick's daughter loves it.

01:18:17.000 That's hilarious.

01:18:18.000 So in the mornings we'd be getting up for school and stuff and it would be on and you were great, Joe.

01:18:23.000 You did great.

01:18:24.000 It was easy. 1.00

01:18:25.000 I played a moron. 1.00

01:18:27.000 You played me. 1.00

01:18:28.000 I played the worst version of me, the slightly stoned version of me.

01:18:32.000 It was fun to watch just knowing you now, you know, and like, I mean, were you doing a lot of comedy then?

01:18:37.000 Oh yeah.

01:18:38.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 I was, um, when I first started news radio, I was like six years, yeah, six years into doing standup.

01:18:47.000 Amazing.

01:18:48.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 That's so cool.

01:18:51.000 News and Radio started in 94, and I started stand-up in 88. So I was super lucky.

01:18:56.000 How many seasons was that?

01:18:58.000 It was five.

01:18:59.000 The last one was rough because Phil had been murdered by his wife.

01:19:02.000 Right.

01:19:03.000 I didn't know he got murdered during the film.

01:19:05.000 He got murdered while we were on break.

01:19:07.000 Oh, God.

01:19:08.000 And then there was no bright side of it.

01:19:14.000 Did you guys finish the season?

01:19:15.000 We did another season with John Lovitz.

01:19:18.000 The only way we were able to do that is that John and Phil were very good friends.

01:19:24.000 And we were very good friends with John because we knew John from...

01:19:28.000 He was always there with Phil.

01:19:30.000 They were buddies.

01:19:31.000 We got to know him.

01:19:33.000 Everybody was very comfortable with him.

01:19:34.000 And he's really funny.

01:19:35.000 John Lovitz is hilarious. 0.99

01:19:36.000 He's crazy as fuck, but he's really hilarious. 1.00

01:19:39.000 Crazy in a good way. 1.00

01:19:40.000 He's just a character.

01:19:42.000 But the point is that's the only way we were able to do a final season.

01:19:46.000 And we finished that season.

01:19:47.000 And then they canceled it.

01:19:49.000 It was crazy.

01:19:50.000 They canceled it the one time that I was sure they weren't going to cancel it. 0.99

01:19:53.000 All the other times at the end of the season, I was like, that fucking show is not going to make it. 0.99

01:19:57.000 I was like, shit, it's so fun to do. 0.99

01:20:00.000 It was so funny. 1.00

01:20:02.000 But they had all been actors.

01:20:05.000 Everybody had been an actor.

01:20:07.000 Dave Foley had obviously done Kids in the Hall.

01:20:11.000 He had done a lot of sketches.

01:20:13.000 He was one of the secret producers of news radio.

01:20:17.000 No kidding.

01:20:18.000 He would rewrite everything. 0.98

01:20:21.000 He's so goddamn smart, and he's really talented. 0.74

01:20:26.000 And so are the writers. 0.97

01:20:27.000 And one of the beautiful things about the writers is they didn't have any issue with him doing it.

01:20:31.000 Because they trusted him.

01:20:33.000 It's the reason why the show was based around him.

01:20:35.000 They trusted him to sort of...

01:20:36.000 Because of Kids in the Hall.

01:20:37.000 And he's just got a brilliant idea.

01:20:41.000 He's got a brilliant take on how to set up a scene.

01:20:45.000 So they just gave him free reign.

01:20:47.000 That's when the best work is done.

01:20:50.000 Exactly.

01:20:50.000 Sometimes they would disagree and they'd be like, but we have to do this for the storyline.

01:20:54.000 They'd have conversations about it, but so many times the show was rewritten by Dave Foley.

01:20:59.000 Yeah, that's the best way to work.

01:21:01.000 I had that revelation later in life with music of just like people that are like...

01:21:07.000 Bring in an idea.

01:21:09.000 Come on in.

01:21:10.000 Everybody was so talented on news radio.

01:21:12.000 The writers like Paul Simms and Josh Lieb.

01:21:15.000 Some of the writers were so talented and so good that it didn't matter.

01:21:20.000 Everybody was just trying to make the best show.

01:21:23.000 Everybody was just trying to make the best show.

01:21:27.000 For me, I literally had been acting for a year.

01:21:32.000 For one year, I'd be acting.

01:21:34.000 But all of a sudden, I'm on a show with Dave Foley and Phil Hartman. 0.99

01:21:37.000 I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 0.98

01:21:39.000 Well, you're like a magic person. 1.00

01:21:42.000 I'm the luckiest bitch ever. 0.99

01:21:45.000 It's weird. 0.99

01:21:46.000 Yeah, well, that's part of it.

01:21:47.000 But also, I think about that stuff a lot.

01:21:50.000 You've got that timing, and then you've also got the brain and the work ethic and just the talent.

01:21:58.000 I think...

01:22:01.000 I like watching people and understanding how someone got to somewhere.

01:22:07.000 Yeah, it's really exciting.

01:22:08.000 Well, I have mental illness that I'm trying to cure through hard work.

01:22:12.000 Oh, you mean you're an overworker? 0.58

01:22:14.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:22:15.000 But it's also like, here's the thing.

01:22:17.000 Is this like the exercise thing?

01:22:18.000 Yeah, it's all the things.

01:22:20.000 It's like the podcast thing, the comedy thing.

01:22:22.000 It's like, if I don't concentrate on something and pay attention to it, then I turn on myself.

01:22:28.000 Why do you call that mental illness?

01:22:28.000 Because it's a mental illness, because then I turn on myself.

01:22:31.000 Turning on yourself's not super great.

01:22:33.000 Yeah.

01:22:33.000 Well, the problem is, I have a drill sergeant in my head.

01:22:37.000 So it's like, I will turn on myself.

01:22:40.000 Yeah, but obviously it's up to you to balance that.

01:22:44.000 Yes.

01:22:44.000 But I think that that's a really unique quality in terms of having the talent and the brain and the drive.

01:22:53.000 Yeah, but I'm telling you, a lot of the drive is like me running away from mental illness.

01:22:58.000 Mental illness is like a barking dog.

01:23:00.000 It's like 50 yards away, and I just have to keep going, and I'm hoping he's going to give up.

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:05.000 I don't know about that.

01:23:06.000 No.

01:23:07.000 But it's a different kind of mental illness.

01:23:08.000 It's not the worst con.

01:23:10.000 It's not like you want to ruin your life and start doing coke.

01:23:14.000 Right.

01:23:15.000 You're not self-destructive in that way.

01:23:16.000 I need puzzles. 1.00

01:23:17.000 I need some shit to solve. 1.00

01:23:19.000 Yeah, I understand that. 0.99

01:23:20.000 If I don't have an act I'm working on or something else I'm doing that's hard to do, I'll turn on myself.

01:23:27.000 I think a lot of us are like that.

01:23:29.000 Yeah, I do that.

01:23:29.000 I make war on Suzanne.

01:23:31.000 I try not to.

01:23:32.000 I try to be nice to her.

01:23:33.000 Well, you know, I've got a great therapist.

01:23:35.000 That's a great phrase.

01:23:36.000 I make war on Suzanne. 1.00

01:23:38.000 That should be a song.

01:23:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:40.000 I'm sure it's had its iterations in there.

01:23:43.000 I make war on Suzanne. 1.00

01:23:45.000 I make war on Suzanne. 1.00

01:23:46.000 Well, you know what's interesting?

01:23:48.000 And not to like...

01:23:50.000 It will be difficult to talk about myself in this way, but the truth is...

01:23:54.000 Are you going to use yourself in the third person?

01:23:55.000 No.

01:23:56.000 Like, do it.

01:23:56.000 No.

01:23:57.000 Some people could do it.

01:23:58.000 No, well...

01:23:59.000 It might be your thing.

01:23:59.000 Try it.

01:24:00.000 So I'm doing my best work I've ever done.

01:24:02.000 So Suzanne Zento's doing the best work she's ever done.

01:24:05.000 And I'm existing...

01:24:07.000 Will you say it one time?

01:24:07.000 No.

01:24:09.000 No, I can't. 0.99

01:24:11.000 I'm not a cunt. 0.99

01:24:17.000 Cheers. 0.99

01:24:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:20.000 But... 1.00

01:24:20.000 See, you can't do this shit on regular radio. 1.00

01:24:22.000 No, you can't. 1.00

01:24:23.000 You sure can't.

01:24:23.000 Oh my god, I did a couple of radio shows recently and my songs have a lot of swear words in them and I... Oh no, what do you do?

01:24:29.000 It was so hard.

01:24:29.000 I did a couple...

01:24:30.000 Actually, I did a couple shows in the Carolinas and it was like some of the biggest paying gigs I've had in a while and it was like, you know...

01:24:38.000 It was like a $20,000 weekend, and I needed that.

01:24:40.000 It was the only money I made all year.

01:24:43.000 Did they tell you you can't swear?

01:24:45.000 There had to be clean shows.

01:24:47.000 I had to work overtime to make it sound good and deliverable.

01:24:55.000 The thing is, when I curse in my songs, I'm not doing it just to do it.

01:24:59.000 It's part of the song.

01:25:01.000 You know what you need?

01:25:01.000 What do I need?

01:25:02.000 A beep button.

01:25:05.000 Point is, I did it.

01:25:06.000 I did it.

01:25:07.000 But I was terrified.

01:25:08.000 I was so self-aware. 0.97

01:25:09.000 It really sucked.

01:25:10.000 Because, you know, when you're singing and you're, you know, and I'm playing music, like, I'm not like, I'm not thinking about it. 0.74

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:17.000 You know, but I was so nervous.

01:25:19.000 I was like, oh my God, like these people, like they brought me here.

01:25:22.000 They're paying me money. 1.00

01:25:23.000 And like, I don't want to fuck this up by saying fuck. 0.99

01:25:27.000 But the thing is, it's like you're in the artist's compromise, right? 0.99

01:25:32.000 Because there's a reason why they wanted you there.

01:25:34.000 They wanted you there because they love your work.

01:25:36.000 So if they love your work, that means- Just odd for them to be like, by the way.

01:25:39.000 Exactly.

01:25:39.000 It's like, well, that means they've listened.

01:25:41.000 So if they've listened, that means they know you swear.

01:25:43.000 It turned out to be great.

01:25:45.000 Um...

01:25:46.000 But what I was going to say...

01:25:47.000 What did you do?

01:25:48.000 What did I do?

01:25:49.000 Yeah, for when you got to the F word.

01:25:50.000 I rewrote some stuff, and it was actually okay. 0.97

01:25:53.000 But you couldn't say goddamn and stuff like that. 0.95

01:25:56.000 What? 0.99

01:25:56.000 You couldn't say goddamn? 0.99

01:25:57.000 Yeah, no. 0.99

01:25:58.000 What about Odin be damned?

01:26:02.000 I've been reading about Odin a lot lately. 1.00

01:26:04.000 Odin was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:26:05.000 I know! 1.00

01:26:06.000 Just hanging from that tree, giving his eye away.

01:26:09.000 Odin was a different kind of dude.

01:26:10.000 I know, I know.

01:26:11.000 I find a lot of comfort in that lately, in mythology.

01:26:17.000 It's interesting, right?

01:26:18.000 It's like eventually people gave up on Zeus.

01:26:21.000 There's not a lot of people out there. 1.00

01:26:24.000 Zeus used to be the fucking man! 0.99

01:26:27.000 Back when they were making houses out of stone, Zeus was the man. 1.00

01:26:31.000 Zeus was the goddamn man. 1.00

01:26:33.000 Oh, you can't even say goddamn man. 1.00

01:26:35.000 He got a little carried away, you know? 0.99

01:26:37.000 He didn't have that humility.

01:26:38.000 Where did Thor go?

01:26:39.000 Where's Thor when we need him? 0.99

01:26:40.000 What the fuck, Thor? 0.99

01:26:41.000 He's here. 1.00

01:26:42.000 Do you know what the problem with the entire Marvel Comics universe is?

01:26:45.000 Oh, we're going Marvel, not the tradition.

01:26:47.000 Thor, he's in the Marvel Comics universe.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, of course.

01:26:49.000 You know what the problem is?

01:26:50.000 Captain Marvel.

01:26:51.000 She could fix everything.

01:26:52.000 She could change everything.

01:26:54.000 Right.

01:26:54.000 Or the Hulk.

01:26:55.000 Every time there's a Thor movie, I'm like, send in the Hulk, bitch! 0.99

01:26:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:59.000 Call your friend! 1.00

01:27:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:00.000 Your friend is the Hulk!

01:27:02.000 Not Winter Soldier.

01:27:03.000 What's the one after that?

01:27:05.000 I don't know.

01:27:05.000 Okay, well, anyway.

01:27:06.000 The one after Winter Soldier.

01:27:08.000 Captain Marvel, like, the whole time you're like, where was she?

01:27:10.000 Oh.

01:27:10.000 This whole time, she could do all the things, but she was waiting, she was working on, she had another job.

01:27:15.000 Anyway.

01:27:16.000 What did you show me, Jamie?

01:27:17.000 Odin?

01:27:18.000 That was Anthony Hopkins. 1.00

01:27:19.000 Oh, no shit? 1.00

01:27:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:22.000 He was Odin?

01:27:23.000 Which one was that?

01:27:23.000 What?

01:27:24.000 Where have you been?

01:27:25.000 No, but I'm trying to remember.

01:27:26.000 I have too much data.

01:27:27.000 I have too much data in my head.

01:27:28.000 Well, all of the Marvel with Thor, Anthony Hopkins was Odin.

01:27:32.000 Here's the thing with the Avengers.

01:27:33.000 Call the Hulk.

01:27:35.000 Yeah.

01:27:36.000 What's happening?

01:27:37.000 I wasn't talking about Marvel.

01:27:39.000 I was talking about actual mythology.

01:27:42.000 Emo Hulk. 1.00

01:27:42.000 The problem is Hulk with the glasses is bullshit. 1.00

01:27:46.000 Hulk with the glasses at the diner, remember that? 1.00

01:27:48.000 When he became Mark Ruffalo?

01:27:50.000 Sad.

01:27:50.000 Reflective Hulk.

01:27:51.000 Hulk is listening to NPR and he's crying and he wants to go to Guatemala.

01:27:54.000 Have you had Chris Hemsworth on?

01:27:56.000 No, I haven't, but I'm afraid I'd fall in love.

01:27:58.000 I know.

01:27:59.000 He's beautiful.

01:28:00.000 I met him once when I was playing with Hosier and we did Ellen.

01:28:03.000 And I have a photo with him where he took my phone and took our photo.

01:28:10.000 And he was so nice.

01:28:12.000 You should swab that for DNA. That's all I'm going to say.

01:28:15.000 Put it in some sort of a fucking test tube. 1.00

01:28:19.000 It's an experience. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Because if one day...

01:28:23.000 If one day, like, Crisper gets to the point where all you need is like a coffee cup from someone and you could have their body.

01:28:31.000 First of all...

01:28:32.000 Look at that man on the right.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, good for him.

01:28:34.000 Jesus Christ.

01:28:36.000 Good for him.

01:28:38.000 He's gorgeous.

01:28:39.000 I know.

01:28:40.000 And he loves his wife.

01:28:41.000 I would hug him for moments.

01:28:43.000 Long moments.

01:28:44.000 Would you stop and write it down?

01:28:46.000 I want him to comfort me.

01:28:50.000 There's no doubt about it, that guy has superior genetics.

01:28:54.000 His grandparents, his grandpappy's grandpappy was definitely a viking. 1.00

01:28:59.000 100%, right?

01:29:00.000 It appears, I can't speak for the man, I don't know him, but it appears he has the intellect, the kindness, the comedy, he's got the whole thing.

01:29:10.000 So you're in love?

01:29:11.000 No, I'm in love with Nick Pizzolatto.

01:29:14.000 But I admire Thor.

01:29:16.000 I'd rather keep him in a fictitious place. 0.98

01:29:19.000 Yeah, I don't even want to know he jerks off. 0.99

01:29:22.000 He's too perfect. 0.99

01:29:24.000 There's only a couple of those guys.

01:29:26.000 I hope they just get through life in the most noble way possible.

01:29:30.000 Him and Jason Momoa, I hope they hold hands as they ascend to heaven.

01:29:33.000 You know when we went to see Sturgill, we had Johnny Bernthal, the Punisher, and Jason Momoa on either side of us?

01:29:41.000 I know.

01:29:42.000 We didn't even know.

01:29:43.000 I did.

01:29:44.000 I didn't know.

01:29:45.000 We went to the Troubadour.

01:29:46.000 I'm like, Suzanne, I actually pay attention to the show.

01:29:51.000 I didn't know.

01:29:53.000 I have a man crush on Jason Momoa.

01:29:54.000 I met him in a Whole Foods parking lot.

01:29:56.000 I met Jason Momoa in a Whole Foods parking lot. 0.93

01:29:58.000 He's the fucking nicest guy of all time. 0.93

01:30:00.000 Gave me his phone number. 0.89

01:30:01.000 Yeah, we just exchanged phone numbers.

01:30:03.000 That's the beautiful thing.

01:30:04.000 Did you call him?

01:30:05.000 I think we texted each other back and forth.

01:30:06.000 Were you like, hey Jay, it's me.

01:30:09.000 I got nervous.

01:30:10.000 I'm going to be honest with you.

01:30:11.000 I get nervous if I get a famous person's phone number. 1.00

01:30:13.000 I'm like, shit! 0.99

01:30:14.000 This is too much pressure! 1.00

01:30:16.000 It's funny.

01:30:16.000 I meet famous people now.

01:30:18.000 Yeah, of course.

01:30:20.000 And when you meet them, you're like, oh.

01:30:24.000 It doesn't matter how many famous people you meet.

01:30:26.000 When you meet someone who's famous and you never met them, you're like, oh, there's that person.

01:30:29.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:30:30.000 Look at this fucking, the actual real Snoop Dogg. 1.00

01:30:33.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:30:34.000 That's super cool.

01:30:35.000 When I was 19 in LA and I'd meet a famous person, I'd pretend like I didn't know who they were.

01:30:40.000 And I'd be like...

01:30:42.000 Timberlake?

01:30:43.000 What is that, Italian?

01:30:44.000 My friend's wife did that. 1.00

01:30:47.000 But now I, like, the thing is...

01:30:51.000 If I admire somebody, I'm going to just tell them.

01:30:53.000 Like, oh man, I love your movies, or I love your music, you know?

01:30:56.000 Good for you.

01:30:57.000 That feels comfortable to me, to not pretend like I'm cool.

01:31:02.000 Well, it's actually cool to do that.

01:31:05.000 Sure.

01:31:06.000 It's actually cool to do that.

01:31:07.000 But there's a problem with people wanting people to know who they are, too.

01:31:14.000 Well, that's annoying.

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 It's tricky.

01:31:17.000 I always say, hi, I'm Joe.

01:31:21.000 Even if I know someone knows who I am, I feel like I have to say that.

01:31:25.000 I got recognized in the nail salon in Austin, and this girl said all these nice things to me about, oh my god, I love your music, and I just bought six tickets to your show on the 15th, but I was like, oh my god, so tell me about yourself!

01:31:40.000 So I got clingy, and I think I kept her for too long, and she was like, okay, I gotta go!

01:31:46.000 That's hilarious.

01:31:47.000 I don't know if they went to the show.

01:31:49.000 That's hilarious.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, that's weird.

01:31:52.000 It's like when you meet someone and say they're going to go to your show, you're like, have a good time.

01:31:55.000 But then you don't talk to them afterwards.

01:31:56.000 Yeah.

01:31:57.000 I hope you had a good time.

01:31:58.000 I don't know what happened.

01:31:59.000 You know, it's nice when someone admires your work.

01:32:03.000 It's very nice.

01:32:04.000 It is nice.

01:32:04.000 It's very nice.

01:32:05.000 It's just... 1.00

01:32:06.000 What you don't want is to feel like you're the shit. 0.99

01:32:09.000 It's like a balancing act between someone reaffirming that you're doing good, that they love what you're doing, but you never get into a position where you think you're better than other people. 0.99

01:32:21.000 It's like this weird balancing act that actors and musicians and comedians and all kinds of famous people fail at all the time because there's no guidebook.

01:32:30.000 It's a weird balance, though, because...

01:32:34.000 I want to enjoy it more.

01:32:39.000 I was starting to talk about this earlier.

01:32:42.000 I'm doing my best work and the way that the music industry is structured is like a failing model.

01:32:51.000 How so?

01:32:52.000 I see very little return on what I'm creating and putting out there, but then the return is emotional.

01:33:02.000 My last record, Ruby Red, that came out in 2017 has a Fuck ton of streaming, right?

01:33:09.000 For me.

01:33:10.000 But I made like 10 grand off of it.

01:33:13.000 And not to measure it monetarily.

01:33:15.000 So do you get most of the money from streaming?

01:33:17.000 From shows.

01:33:18.000 From shows.

01:33:19.000 I'm allowed that.

01:33:19.000 But you're saying you made 10 grand.

01:33:21.000 You mean you made 10 grand from the road?

01:33:23.000 That was from streaming.

01:33:25.000 From streaming.

01:33:25.000 Okay, that's right.

01:33:25.000 And like pre-sales out the gate.

01:33:27.000 And like, you know.

01:33:28.000 Pre-sales of tickets?

01:33:29.000 Or pre-sales of the album?

01:33:30.000 Records.

01:33:31.000 Vinyl specifically.

01:33:32.000 But the, what's the, what would you like to happen?

01:33:36.000 Like what is like a normal?

01:33:38.000 If you go back to like your early days.

01:33:40.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:33:43.000 What I would like to happen is I want like concentrated touring where I'm out for like two weeks and then I'm not away from home for so long because home is really important to me and for so long in my life like I moved every year for like 15 years.

01:33:59.000 I didn't really have a home and I'd just be on the road constantly and What I would like is a comfortable amount of financial return and then my home life while I'm creating more content and music.

01:34:20.000 But COVID kind of put a...

01:34:24.000 Don't you think that that's how all artists feel when they feel like they're putting out so much, but they're not getting it back?

01:34:34.000 They feel like there's a disproportionate relationship, like something's off, right?

01:34:38.000 The way it's built now, yeah.

01:34:41.000 So what's the flaw?

01:34:43.000 What's the bottleneck in the system?

01:34:45.000 It seems like the bottleneck in the system is getting your music to people.

01:34:49.000 Well, that.

01:34:50.000 Right.

01:34:52.000 That's the bottom line.

01:34:53.000 Streaming.

01:34:54.000 So is the streaming thing like a money thing?

01:34:57.000 When they stream it, how does it work?

01:34:59.000 Do you own the song?

01:35:00.000 Do you own the writing?

01:35:01.000 I do.

01:35:02.000 You do.

01:35:03.000 But if you work with a label, they usually own your copyright, depending on your deal, depending on your leverage that you have.

01:35:10.000 So it totally depends on whatever deal you make.

01:35:14.000 There's not a standard deal.

01:35:16.000 No.

01:35:17.000 So the things with young artists, if someone's coming up and they haven't fully popped yet, when people know they're good and they have a bright idea of their future, they'll sign them and lock them into these weird contracts.

01:35:32.000 Yeah, you can get in trouble.

01:35:33.000 I've had that.

01:35:34.000 I've gotten in trouble.

01:35:35.000 Everybody seems to.

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 I'm not supposed to talk about this because there's an NDA, but like my first, I signed a deal when I was 19. Don't get sued.

01:35:43.000 So it turns out that NDA actually does apply, so we're going to edit that.

01:35:48.000 We had to look it up, folks.

01:35:50.000 And it turns out this story is not appropriate for...

01:35:54.000 So, moving on.

01:35:55.000 Yes, moving on.

01:35:56.000 Don't get sued, Suzanne.

01:35:58.000 We've been hunting lately.

01:35:58.000 What you been up to?

01:36:00.000 I killed an elk and a pig in October.

01:36:03.000 Did you really?

01:36:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:05.000 Do you still have those huge refrigerators in your garage?

01:36:08.000 Yeah, I have some here now.

01:36:10.000 You know, when you gave me the bear meat, the bear sausage.

01:36:13.000 Yeah, did you like it? 0.99

01:36:14.000 Fucking excellent. 0.98

01:36:16.000 It's delicious, right? 0.99

01:36:17.000 I made it with some pasta.

01:36:18.000 It was delicious.

01:36:19.000 Did you pan fry it?

01:36:22.000 A little bit of oil?

01:36:23.000 It was a while ago, Joe.

01:36:25.000 I'm just saying.

01:36:26.000 They're really good.

01:36:27.000 The elk meat was also delicious.

01:36:29.000 Elk meat is better.

01:36:30.000 Elk meat is the best meat because you don't have to worry about trichinosis, so you don't have to cook it to 165 degrees. 0.99

01:36:35.000 If I get real sketchy about giving bear meat to people, I won't give bear meat to a moron. 0.99

01:36:41.000 Thank you. 1.00

01:36:44.000 So you don't think I'm a moron? 1.00

01:36:45.000 I definitely don't think you're a moron. 1.00

01:36:46.000 But even people that aren't morons, like my friend Steve Vanella got trichinosis and his whole crew did. 0.99

01:36:52.000 I follow him on Instagram. 0.99

01:36:54.000 He was in Alaska, and they shot a black bear, and they cooked it over a fire.

01:36:59.000 And people were like, what are you talking about? 1.00

01:36:59.000 You're eating a fucking bear? 1.00

01:37:01.000 Folks, this is what's going to sound so crazy. 1.00

01:37:05.000 When Davey Crockett or Daniel Boone, I think it was Davey Crockett who sold bear meat.

01:37:12.000 People would eat bear meat, and then they would use deer for hides.

01:37:17.000 Okay. 0.96

01:37:18.000 Like in the turn of the century or whatever the fuck it was, the 1700s. 0.81

01:37:21.000 They wouldn't eat the deer? 0.98

01:37:21.000 No, they didn't eat deer. 0.98

01:37:22.000 They didn't prefer it.

01:37:23.000 I mean, they ate it if they had to.

01:37:25.000 Do you like venison?

01:37:25.000 I do.

01:37:26.000 I love it.

01:37:27.000 But the thing is, that's preferred now, whereas black bear meat...

01:37:30.000 Is it riskier with venison?

01:37:31.000 No.

01:37:32.000 No, it's not.

01:37:33.000 No, no, no.

01:37:33.000 Okay.

01:37:34.000 Venison's not...

01:37:35.000 It's not risky yet.

01:37:37.000 Here's the thing.

01:37:38.000 Because there's all kinds of weird...

01:37:39.000 But here's a threat.

01:37:40.000 The threat is CWD. With CWD, it's called chronic wasting disease.

01:37:44.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:37:46.000 It's a prion disease. 0.99

01:37:47.000 So it's like mad cow disease, but it hasn't jumped to humans yet.

01:37:51.000 So it only exists in deer, but it exists in a lot of deer.

01:37:54.000 And people are terrified that it's going to make a jump to humans.

01:37:57.000 Have you had any experiences with ticks?

01:37:59.000 I personally have not, but I have very good friends that have gotten Lyme disease.

01:38:04.000 And one of my good friends got what's called alpha-gal.

01:38:07.000 And alpha-gal is an allergy to red meat.

01:38:10.000 So he had a tick that burrowed in his belly button.

01:38:15.000 Oh no. 0.99

01:38:16.000 And he pulled his fucking tick out after like a day or whatever it was. 1.00

01:38:19.000 They numb down. 0.99

01:38:20.000 But can't you take antibiotics for that?

01:38:23.000 It depends.

01:38:24.000 It depends if you know what happened.

01:38:26.000 You might not feel bad at first, you might wait a while, and your doctor might misdiagnose it.

01:38:32.000 My buddy, he brought his son in, and his son had Bell's palsy, like his face went numb.

01:38:37.000 And the doctor was like, no, there's nothing wrong.

01:38:42.000 Eventually got them to test and figure out that it was Lyme disease.

01:38:45.000 But the doctor was immediately sort of dismissive.

01:38:47.000 I think when the Bell's palsy kicked in, that's when the doctor looked at him.

01:38:50.000 But before that, the doctor was trying to play it off like it was nothing.

01:38:53.000 Because they don't know. 0.92

01:38:55.000 And the thing about the fucking, the weird thing about Lyme disease is that they think it might be connected to this thing called, is it called Meniere's disease? 0.97

01:39:04.000 Look up Meniere's disease. 0.98

01:39:07.000 There's this thing where people seem to be losing their mind and thinking that strings are growing out of their skin.

01:39:15.000 And they think that this disease is connected to Lyme disease because the people that get it almost all have Lyme disease.

01:39:23.000 And they think that Lyme disease may have some sort of a neurotoxic effect.

01:39:28.000 Yes.

01:39:28.000 Is that Meniere's disease?

01:39:29.000 Well, Lyme disease is...

01:39:30.000 No, that's not it?

01:39:31.000 Lyme disease, they call it the...

01:39:34.000 Oh, that's right.

01:39:35.000 That's what Dana White has. 1.00

01:39:36.000 That's when you have a tinnitus.

01:39:37.000 But they call it the great imitator because Lyme disease can manifest in all these different ways in all your systems.

01:39:44.000 Yeah, but hang on.

01:39:44.000 I'm going to go crazy if I don't figure this out.

01:39:46.000 There's like a skin thing.

01:39:50.000 Magellans, thank you.

01:39:51.000 Morgellans, that's right, Morgellans.

01:39:53.000 So this Morgellans disease, we actually went to a conference.

01:39:56.000 I did this sci-fi show a long time ago.

01:40:00.000 We went to a conference to talk to these people.

01:40:03.000 And one of the things that I found was fascinating, like this is a doctor who had it.

01:40:06.000 And this disease is like, you see like worms moving behind your eyelids, but they're not there.

01:40:11.000 But they're not there.

01:40:12.000 Wait, like it's like...

01:40:13.000 It's not there.

01:40:14.000 Like psychotic?

01:40:15.000 You see it, but it's not really there.

01:40:17.000 You're hallucinating.

01:40:18.000 And then you start picking at your skin because you think the fibers are growing out of it.

01:40:23.000 So you're on acid?

01:40:24.000 No, there's some sort of a neurological...

01:40:29.000 The thing that happens with Lyme disease in some people.

01:40:33.000 So some people that have Lyme disease, it's standard symptoms.

01:40:37.000 But this doctor was saying that some people, they have hallucinations.

01:40:41.000 And they think it might be a part of this.

01:40:44.000 The way he described it to me, and I'm paraphrasing, I'll do my best.

01:40:47.000 He was saying that essentially, a tick doesn't just have this one disease. 0.73

01:40:52.000 It probably has a myriad of diseases, and some of them we haven't even fucking recognized yet. 0.91

01:40:57.000 Is it considered a parasite? 0.97

01:40:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:59.000 Ticks are parasites.

01:41:00.000 Fuck, that's so scary. 1.00

01:41:01.000 They cling to you and suck your blood. 1.00

01:41:03.000 They're gross. 0.94

01:41:04.000 I saw your post today about the tongue thing with the carp. 0.92

01:41:07.000 That's a cunty little bug, right? 0.97

01:41:09.000 That's disgusting. 1.00

01:41:10.000 That's horrible.

01:41:11.000 Well, you know that's what Ben wrote, The Angel of Death.

01:41:13.000 I did not write that song.

01:41:15.000 What did he write?

01:41:16.000 About a parasite?

01:41:16.000 He wrote it about...

01:41:20.000 After watching Planet Earth and all of these- Oh, the documentary series?

01:41:24.000 Specific species that would take over your brain.

01:41:27.000 And, you know, it's a terrifying thought, but, you know, it- It happens.

01:41:34.000 And God forbid it happens to us.

01:41:37.000 It seems like no matter what you are, whether you're a frog or an eagle or a wolf, there's a system in place that's designed to encourage innovation and success and growth and strength and dominance and also weed out the weak.

01:41:56.000 And weed out the weak, whether it's weak psychologically, weak socially, weak culturally, weak physically.

01:42:04.000 It's all things.

01:42:05.000 It's like everything is a test.

01:42:07.000 No matter what happens with humans, everything is a test.

01:42:10.000 Are you going to be a victim or a victor?

01:42:12.000 Are you going to be successful or a failure?

01:42:15.000 Are you going to be happy or sad?

01:42:17.000 Are you going to be weak?

01:42:18.000 Are you going to be strong?

01:42:19.000 Are you going to be loving? 1.00

01:42:20.000 Are you going to be an asshole? 1.00

01:42:22.000 There's this constant incoming flux of information and a battle of how to react and how to behave. 1.00

01:42:30.000 We're all caught up in the middle of it.

01:42:32.000 Like, ah!

01:42:33.000 And then you have government.

01:42:35.000 And government starts steering it like, well, the problem is all these people who don't have TSA pre. 0.97

01:42:41.000 And they just fucking go after specific groups of people and turn you on them. 0.92

01:42:47.000 Did you see that crazy video of that lady with no mask on yelling at a man on a plane to put your mask on? 0.99

01:42:53.000 No. 0.99

01:42:53.000 It is the wildest shit ever because it is the most 2021 video of all time. 0.99

01:42:58.000 This lady hits the sky. 1.00

01:42:59.000 Is this the zombie apocalypse?

01:43:01.000 Not yet.

01:43:02.000 No, that's not going to happen.

01:43:04.000 That's going to be like many, many generations from now.

01:43:07.000 What we're dealing with right now...

01:43:08.000 Right now, it's like this sort of a reckoning that we're all kind of responsible for the tone of the civilization that's around us, where all of us sort of looked at the civilization that was in place, the culture that was in place, and said that, well, this is just how it's always been, this is how it will be for the foreseeable future,

01:43:26.000 and I'm just going to operate on the idea that all this was set up by some super-intelligent people that really had a good sense of the future.

01:43:34.000 Because we see that in, like, the Declaration of Independence.

01:43:37.000 Well, it feels very other.

01:43:38.000 The Constitution, we see that.

01:43:39.000 Like, they've kind of figured out, like, hey, this could go sideways, and this is how it could go sideways.

01:43:43.000 So you can't give anyone power for any long period of time.

01:43:47.000 Sure.

01:43:47.000 Like, four years in, then people get to reassess, then you get another four years.

01:43:51.000 And, you know, they figured out some, like, parameters where they felt like they could foresee how human beings could go apeshit with power and how they could correct for that.

01:44:04.000 But the big ones are the freedom of speech.

01:44:07.000 That's a big one.

01:44:08.000 That's giant. 0.99

01:44:09.000 The fact that people want to fuck with that, it's like, oh my god. 0.99

01:44:14.000 There's no other way than letting everybody talk. 0.99

01:44:17.000 There's no other way.

01:44:19.000 That includes, like, the people that are...

01:44:21.000 Like, if the Nazis have the power to silence the people who aren't the Nazis, that's bad, right?

01:44:27.000 Well, guess what? 0.95

01:44:28.000 If the people who aren't Nazis have the power to silence the Nazis, that can be equally bad, because for whatever fucked up reason, some people are going to listen to those folks. 0.98

01:44:37.000 They already are! 0.98

01:44:38.000 And if they get shut down, if they get shut down left and right, and they don't have to engage with someone who clearly has better ideas than them, or the whole world gets to see, well, this idea sucks, Because it was tested on the battlefield of discourse.

01:44:54.000 That's what it's supposed to happen.

01:44:56.000 Right.

01:44:56.000 Like, they're supposed to talk about things.

01:44:58.000 Like, when you have someone who has a terrible idea...

01:45:00.000 There's no room for discussion.

01:45:02.000 There's no discussion.

01:45:03.000 But there is.

01:45:03.000 There's just too many people have too much power to shut it down.

01:45:06.000 So their initial impulse is to shut it down.

01:45:08.000 But that's just because we haven't had this power before.

01:45:11.000 Mm-hmm.

01:45:11.000 And we're like, shut it down!

01:45:12.000 Shut it down! 1.00

01:45:12.000 And the people shutting it down are like, wow, we've got to shut it down. 1.00

01:45:14.000 What do you mean by this power?

01:45:15.000 The power to shut things down.

01:45:16.000 Like a small group of people can just decide that they're going to protest something and shut everything down.

01:45:22.000 They can decide to change, like the Dave Chappelle thing is a great example.

01:45:27.000 What Dave did in that special was respond to previous, like, anger at him about what they perceived to be transphobic comments with talking about his friend.

01:45:38.000 If you look him up on Wikipedia, that's one of the first things that comes up.

01:45:41.000 It's ridiculous.

01:45:42.000 That's okay. 0.98

01:45:43.000 You don't have to believe that.

01:45:45.000 The reality of it is, if you listen to the special, it's a story about a person that he loved.

01:45:50.000 I know!

01:45:51.000 It's not, but here's why.

01:45:53.000 Infuriating!

01:45:53.000 It is, but it's not.

01:45:55.000 The problem is not that a small percentage of people reacted in the way they did and started shutting things down.

01:46:03.000 The problem is that we're all willing to consider what a small percentage of people are furious about rather than what we think because it's too hard to gather your own opinion independently.

01:46:16.000 On every subject, especially when you can be called out for it or people can decide they're going to attack you for it.

01:46:24.000 It doesn't mean that we can't all do better, but what it does mean is we can't get anywhere if we just attack each other mercilessly and without logic.

01:46:36.000 Here's the thing about Dave Chappelle.

01:46:37.000 First of all, he's one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

01:46:40.000 He's brilliant.

01:46:41.000 You've met him.

01:46:41.000 He's wonderful.

01:46:43.000 Here's the other thing.

01:46:45.000 When they're talking about this material, they're not citing specific bits.

01:46:51.000 Have you noticed that?

01:46:52.000 They keep saying the transphobic this.

01:46:56.000 There's all these keywords that are used, yeah, that counter the actual experience of listening to his special.

01:47:05.000 It's like...

01:47:09.000 But there's also, like, tribes that you have to belong to.

01:47:11.000 It's like reading the headline, but you didn't read the whole article, you know?

01:47:13.000 There's tribes that you belong to where they have an idea.

01:47:16.000 Oh, Dave Chappelle said something transphobic.

01:47:19.000 And you just get mad at him.

01:47:20.000 And you don't know exactly what he said.

01:47:22.000 Yeah.

01:47:23.000 I have to say that, like...

01:47:26.000 I'm ashamed to admit that I was in that vacuum for a little while in LA, not against Dave or anything, but I was part of the collective anger and repost, and I got to a point where I recognized that I was not operating on my own agency,

01:47:47.000 and I was losing my sense of myself.

01:47:52.000 And I'll be honest with you, when I came here to visit you guys last December, I was in my bubble in LA, and I saw that you and Dave were doing stand-up at Stubbs, and I hadn't played or seen any shows all year,

01:48:08.000 and I really wanted to come see you guys.

01:48:11.000 And I called you, and you were like, just come down.

01:48:15.000 Get on a plane.

01:48:16.000 I was like, well, shouldn't I drive?

01:48:19.000 Shouldn't I not touch anything?

01:48:20.000 And you were like, just come down.

01:48:23.000 And I... Honestly, Joe, it changed my life because I got on a plane.

01:48:31.000 I came here to visit.

01:48:33.000 I ended up singing with Gary.

01:48:35.000 Everybody got cooties that night except you and me.

01:48:38.000 Well, I'm still standing.

01:48:39.000 You and me were the only ones that didn't get that night.

01:48:41.000 I don't know if I did. 0.99

01:48:42.000 Who fucking knows? 0.98

01:48:44.000 But we test you for antibodies. 1.00

01:48:46.000 I know.

01:48:46.000 Did we test you before today or today is the only day for antibodies?

01:48:48.000 I don't think it was a blood test.

01:48:50.000 I thought it was a swab.

01:48:52.000 Well, we definitely did a regular swab, which is a rapid antigen test.

01:48:55.000 The finger hurts.

01:48:56.000 That's hilarious.

01:48:58.000 But wait, let me...

01:48:59.000 So, like, point is, you had talked to me about...

01:49:04.000 Leave in LA, right?

01:49:06.000 And I came here because I wanted to see some art.

01:49:12.000 I wanted to see you.

01:49:13.000 I wanted to see Dave.

01:49:14.000 I've always wanted to see Dave.

01:49:15.000 I'd never seen him before at that point.

01:49:18.000 And you got to see him in a historical time.

01:49:20.000 I did.

01:49:20.000 It was his idea to do these shows.

01:49:22.000 We did these shows at Stubbs, but it was purely Dave's idea.

01:49:25.000 He was like, we can't let him take this thing.

01:49:28.000 He goes, we got to keep this rolling.

01:49:30.000 We got to give these people some fun. 0.98

01:49:32.000 Ma'am, I was laughing and I was crying because it was fucking beautiful. 0.88

01:49:36.000 And he developed that set that people saw in this last thing. 0.96

01:49:38.000 But both of you were.

01:49:39.000 It was so powerful.

01:49:41.000 And then, you know, like... 0.99

01:49:46.000 The whole thing was really magical because I also was like, fuck, should I move to Texas? 0.98

01:49:56.000 What should I do? 0.98

01:49:58.000 You and Gary and then a couple other friends I have were the only people I knew here.

01:50:05.000 I think I told you the story, but not recently.

01:50:08.000 But when I left the podcast that we did December something of 2020, you, me, and Gary...

01:50:15.000 I decided to drive around and I was like, oh man, I should like...

01:50:19.000 I've only been here when I've been touring or there's festivals, so it's like madness.

01:50:23.000 Yeah, you told me this one, yeah.

01:50:24.000 And I was driving down some street.

01:50:26.000 I didn't know where I was.

01:50:28.000 And I like, you know, asked God or the universe.

01:50:32.000 I was like, man, should I move to Texas?

01:50:34.000 This is so crazy.

01:50:36.000 Like not in a million years.

01:50:37.000 Seems like it gets pretty hot here, you know?

01:50:39.000 And I was driving down some street.

01:50:42.000 I mean, this is a true story. 0.99

01:50:44.000 This is fucking wild to me. 0.92

01:50:46.000 And I was driving my rental car and there were these people walking in the street with their dog and I slowed down and then I looked over and it was my friend Alejandro Shaky Graves. 0.98

01:50:59.000 Who's the only other person, really, that I knew at the time in Austin.

01:51:04.000 And I started crying. 0.99

01:51:06.000 I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:51:09.000 Okay, I guess I got my answer. 1.00

01:51:11.000 I guess I should move to this place.

01:51:12.000 And I... In the coming months, I basically got this house that was handed down from a friend of a friend, which was a little more than I paid in rent for a one-bedroom apartment in LA. So I have this really cute little cottage house with a big backyard.

01:51:28.000 And then I met this person, this love of my life, and my life changed forever.

01:51:37.000 But...

01:51:38.000 The point is, the nucleus of the story is, I came here to see you and Dave because I wanted...

01:51:45.000 Do you want to have some fun?

01:51:46.000 I wanted some medicine.

01:51:47.000 I wanted to laugh.

01:51:49.000 I wanted art.

01:51:50.000 And I was deprived of that, like all of us were.

01:51:53.000 And there's something to be said about that.

01:51:55.000 There's something to be said about shutting people away from the things that feed us and feed our spirit.

01:52:02.000 What can be said is about whether or not someone should be able to tell you that you can't go out.

01:52:09.000 You can't take a risk.

01:52:10.000 That should be your own decision. 0.99

01:52:12.000 If you don't want to go, then don't fucking go. 0.99

01:52:14.000 The realists looked at it and said you're not going to control a respiratory virus. 0.99

01:52:19.000 The realists look at it and said, you might be able to mitigate some risk by making people follow certain protocols where you would spread it less easily, but goddamn, some of these things are like really good. 0.96

01:52:31.000 This new Omicron, is that how you say it? 0.92

01:52:34.000 Omicron or Omicron?

01:52:35.000 I keep saying Omicron, but it's Omicron.

01:52:36.000 Omicron is crazy contagious.

01:52:41.000 Just bananas contagious.

01:52:43.000 Everybody I know, but they were sick for two days.

01:52:45.000 But that's the problem, is that it doesn't fit the fear-mongering headlines.

01:52:49.000 The fear-mongering headlines are, there's a hurricane of viral demons coming your way!

01:52:56.000 Have you heard?

01:52:57.000 There's a compilation.

01:52:58.000 I'm going to play you this compilation without copyright, without any use of...

01:53:03.000 Can I pee really fast?

01:53:04.000 Yeah, go pee.

01:53:05.000 Okay, because I want to see this, but it's getting bad.

01:53:08.000 Let me play this.

01:53:10.000 You can hear it.

01:53:10.000 We're about to experience a viral blizzard.

01:53:13.000 Blizzard!

01:53:14.000 A blizzard!

01:53:17.000 There's a blizzard!

01:53:21.000 The country is facing a viral blizzard.

01:53:24.000 A blizzard!

01:53:24.000 Was this on no agenda?

01:53:26.000 No, I found it on Twitter.

01:53:27.000 Oh my God.

01:53:28.000 One infectious disease expert saying a viral blizzard is about to hit this country.

01:53:33.000 Right, right, right.

01:53:33.000 Brought to you by Pfizer.

01:53:35.000 You know, this is why I love No Agenda, because they give you such a perspective when they concentrate all of it, and you're just like, oh my god, they're all saying the same bullshit. 0.98

01:53:45.000 Yeah, No Agenda. 0.97

01:53:46.000 He operates literally with no agenda.

01:53:49.000 He's such a fan.

01:53:50.000 He's so smart that he's managed to make himself completely independent of the system.

01:53:54.000 Suzanne, go pee. 1.00

01:53:56.000 I will.

01:53:56.000 We'll be right back!

01:53:59.000 But Jamie, what are we going to do?

01:54:04.000 From your perspective, as a producer of a podcast that gets seen by millions of people, you're looking at things all the time.

01:54:13.000 You're paying attention to trends.

01:54:14.000 You're looking at online activity, metaverse bullshit, all this stuff. 0.70

01:54:19.000 Where are we going? 0.84

01:54:21.000 Something's happening, right?

01:54:23.000 Civilization is clearly at a tipping point, right?

01:54:31.000 I could be cynical on that and go, maybe.

01:54:34.000 Because those days I don't look at my phone, you forget stuff.

01:54:38.000 It's going wild.

01:54:39.000 For sure.

01:54:40.000 But eventually it's going to affect you.

01:54:42.000 Like the way you pay your bills, whether or not you get credit.

01:54:46.000 It's going to affect you, right?

01:54:48.000 If they institute some sort of a social credit system, it's going to affect you.

01:54:53.000 Are you worried about that at all?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, I heard someone talk about something like that over the weekend.

01:54:58.000 What'd they say?

01:54:59.000 Like a global credit score of some kind or something like that.

01:55:02.000 We talked about the Yahoo article, right?

01:55:05.000 Where they said that they were going to base it in some part on your browser history?

01:55:09.000 Well, they talked about it, yeah, yeah.

01:55:12.000 Yeah.

01:55:12.000 The idea was they were floating it out there that your browser history might make you available for more credit.

01:55:20.000 So the idea would be that if you gave up all the shit you looked up, they would allow you to have more credit because they know, hey, well, he's not Googling bulletproof vests or fucking freeze-dried food. 0.51

01:55:34.000 If they did that, though, people would just make burner accounts to look online instantly, and it would be over. 0.97

01:55:38.000 Yeah, but if they track your fucking device, like, who knows what kind of ability they have to actually track your phone or your laptop, right? 0.84

01:55:47.000 Like, if Edward Snowden didn't tell us about their ability to essentially, like, mass store every fucking phone call and email you've ever made, if Edward Snowden didn't tell us about what the NSA was cooking up, we would have never guessed it. 0.99

01:56:02.000 So who knows what the fuck is going on right now? 0.97

01:56:05.000 You should assume that everything you say is constantly being monitored and recorded. 0.99

01:56:10.000 Whether you're saying it on a phone, off a phone.

01:56:12.000 Oh, look, it's Suzanne.

01:56:13.000 She's back.

01:56:14.000 Will Harris shared a post today about a guy who spent the week at his mom's house and is now getting advertisements for his mother's toothpaste.

01:56:23.000 Oh my god.

01:56:24.000 And they never talked about it, but it explained why that's happening.

01:56:28.000 Well, your phone's listening.

01:56:29.000 No, no, it has nothing to do with that.

01:56:31.000 It knows everything you've bought because of all of the terms and conditions you've done, so it's checking your email and all of that stuff.

01:56:37.000 Oh yeah, for sure, that too.

01:56:38.000 And then linking that with, like I sort of said this a week or two ago, it'll have your phone's Social Security number, if you will.

01:56:45.000 It's like a mobile ID number.

01:56:47.000 It's the EEIN and all that kind of stuff.

01:56:49.000 It's linking it out with GPS data.

01:56:51.000 So it'll know like me and you and Suzanne are all with each other.

01:56:54.000 Right.

01:56:55.000 So she'll start getting advertisements for stuff you're buying.

01:56:57.000 Thinking and hoping that you might see an advertisement.

01:57:02.000 I'm getting it.

01:57:02.000 That's what I want.

01:57:03.000 Like Suzanne will see an ad you missed.

01:57:04.000 Like, hey, Joe, did you see this thing?

01:57:06.000 I bet you would love this.

01:57:08.000 Well, what about when you talk about something and then you get an ad for that something that you've never seen an ad for before?

01:57:14.000 It could be coincidence.

01:57:16.000 It could have known that you were watching TV because it's coming through a streaming service now and it knows you would have seen the ad so it's re-giving it to you.

01:57:24.000 It's redistributing it to you.

01:57:25.000 Right.

01:57:26.000 The only reason why I know about it is I've seen an ad.

01:57:29.000 I've been using YouTube TV for two or three years now and I recently watched I don't remember the reason why but like over the air football game.

01:57:39.000 Over the antenna.

01:57:40.000 The advertisements are so different and you don't even realize Thank you.

01:57:44.000 Right, but I have had conversations with you, or with a lot of people, where I'm talking about something, and then all of a sudden I get an ad for that thing in Google Ads.

01:57:52.000 I also think there's a lot of, how many ads do you get all day that that doesn't happen to, and then you're like, oh shit, I mentioned that thing yesterday.

01:57:59.000 And also when you mention it, are you mentioning it because it's in the public zeitgeist? 0.87

01:58:03.000 Like, why did you say it?

01:58:04.000 Right, and then it gets out there.

01:58:06.000 That's possible too. 0.99

01:58:07.000 But that's the thing, you have to be really honest about what's the source of whatever the fuck it is. 0.98

01:58:14.000 And the problem is people get really tribal. 0.99

01:58:16.000 And when they get really tribal, they don't want to admit that maybe they don't totally understand what's happening.

01:58:21.000 Like, is my phone listening to me? 1.00

01:58:22.000 Fuck, it might be. 1.00

01:58:23.000 It seems like it is. 1.00

01:58:25.000 Definitely.

01:58:25.000 Might be.

01:58:26.000 Why wouldn't it be?

01:58:27.000 They definitely have the technology. 1.00

01:58:28.000 Like, if they know, if Suzanne Santos talking some shit, they could just listen to that bitch's phone all day long. 1.00

01:58:35.000 They know, right? 1.00

01:58:36.000 They know they can do that. 1.00

01:58:37.000 If Joe Rogan is saying something stupid, they can check his phone. 1.00

01:58:40.000 You know they can. 1.00

01:58:41.000 I know they can.

01:58:42.000 We all know they can.

01:58:43.000 So if that's the case, how are they doing that?

01:58:46.000 And are they using that technology all the time?

01:58:49.000 Why would you just use it on potential criminals or enemies of the state or what have you? 0.98

01:58:55.000 You could use it on the entire fucking population and make trillions of dollars in advertiser revenue. 0.99

01:59:00.000 Wouldn't you do that? 1.00

01:59:01.000 What are you, stupid? 1.00

01:59:02.000 Use it on everybody. 1.00

01:59:03.000 Hey, hey, guys, we just get metadata.

01:59:06.000 We don't even know who it is.

01:59:07.000 We're going to send the ads to their phones.

01:59:09.000 We give you a little piece, a little taste.

01:59:12.000 Honestly, it's just ads.

01:59:15.000 Why are ads?

01:59:15.000 We know better, at least to some extent, to offer ads.

01:59:19.000 See, I don't.

01:59:20.000 Some of them you do.

01:59:21.000 I buy coolers I don't need.

01:59:23.000 I'm like, I want a Blue Yeti.

01:59:24.000 It looks so good. 1.00

01:59:25.000 I'm a moron. 0.99

01:59:27.000 I'll take your excess coolers. 1.00

01:59:29.000 I have a cooler for you.

01:59:31.000 There's a bunch of ads you don't fall for. 0.99

01:59:34.000 I saw a cock ring. 0.99

01:59:36.000 They're selling cock rings. 0.98

01:59:38.000 But we sign up for that stuff. 1.00

01:59:40.000 Like when you sign your cell phone thing, there's all kinds of bullshit in there. 0.96

01:59:43.000 Well, nobody reads terms and agreements. 0.95

01:59:46.000 When was the last time you read terms and agreements for anything?

01:59:49.000 I think it's a very rare breed that ever takes the time for that.

01:59:53.000 Are you smoking one of them dad joints?

01:59:54.000 I'm smoking a dad.

01:59:54.000 Is that a Seattle thing?

01:59:56.000 Is that still from Seattle?

01:59:57.000 I think they're from L.A. That was from L.A.? Really?

02:00:01.000 Can't read anymore, right?

02:00:02.000 You're with me.

02:00:03.000 It's old people eyeballs. 1.00

02:00:05.000 Hold on, there's a QR code.

02:00:06.000 Oh, thank you, sir.

02:00:06.000 Is it Delta 8 or is it I saw someone selling HHC now?

02:00:12.000 I just got my eyelashes.

02:00:13.000 Oh, no, it didn't.

02:00:14.000 No, it didn't.

02:00:14.000 No, it was nowhere near.

02:00:15.000 I think they're still there.

02:00:16.000 There's nowhere near your eyelashes.

02:00:18.000 They got hot.

02:00:19.000 It's surprisingly potent.

02:00:21.000 How does this work?

02:00:22.000 Oh, good.

02:00:23.000 There you go.

02:00:23.000 I was listening to this podcast today.

02:00:26.000 They were talking about duck sticks.

02:00:28.000 Are they still there?

02:00:29.000 Yeah, they're all there.

02:00:29.000 You look great.

02:00:32.000 It did not burn your...

02:00:33.000 I've lost him before.

02:00:34.000 Suzanne, you did not burn your eyelashes.

02:00:35.000 I gotta check.

02:00:36.000 No, no, no.

02:00:36.000 You barely touched the cigarette.

02:00:39.000 That was scary.

02:00:40.000 You flip it.

02:00:41.000 Delta 8. I got a story about Delta 8. That stuff's nonsense.

02:00:44.000 That should be illegal.

02:00:45.000 I'm with the state.

02:00:47.000 The state wants to ban it.

02:00:48.000 There's HHC now, which is like even a derivative of that.

02:00:51.000 Ban that too.

02:00:52.000 What? 1.00

02:00:53.000 These pussies need to go to war or stay home. 1.00

02:00:55.000 Either go to war or stay home. 1.00

02:00:57.000 We can't take fake weed over real weed.

02:00:59.000 If you can get the Delta 8, you should be able to get what Suzanne has.

02:01:03.000 Lashes.

02:01:07.000 Eyelashes and Snoop Dogg weeds.

02:01:08.000 So when my record came out in August, you know, like a lot of build-up, and then it came out on Thursday.

02:01:16.000 And Friday, a good friend of mine and Nick's gave us all these Delta 8s.

02:01:22.000 And I didn't know what Delta 8 was.

02:01:23.000 Edible or just smokeable?

02:01:24.000 I had no idea.

02:01:25.000 And this might be child's play to you because you're you.

02:01:28.000 But I... Eat one, Friday, in the middle of the day.

02:01:34.000 Oh, I'm going to have to spark up another joint to hear this story. 0.98

02:01:38.000 And I didn't know what I was getting into because it was street legal, and I'm in Texas, so I thought, like, you know, I lived in California for so long, I've had edibles and all that shit. 0.98

02:01:48.000 I was high until midday Sunday and fucking incapacitated. 0.96

02:01:54.000 And I was just like... 0.98

02:01:56.000 I had...

02:01:58.000 And I started to, like, do some research and ask around, and I apparently had, like, the equivalent of, like, 70 milligrams of THC. That's it?

02:02:07.000 Exactly.

02:02:07.000 I said, this is like Charles Pointy.

02:02:09.000 I'm a five mil kind of gal.

02:02:11.000 I'm lightweight.

02:02:12.000 I'm only a purple belt.

02:02:13.000 Joey Diaz is the grandmaster.

02:02:14.000 He's a coral belt.

02:02:16.000 I've been on planes with Joey Diaz, and I've been terrified, and I watch him pop two more extra 200 milligram ones in his mouth. 0.99

02:02:22.000 That's fucking insane. 1.00

02:02:23.000 He's insane. 1.00

02:02:24.000 That's insane. 0.99

02:02:24.000 I've seen it. 0.99

02:02:25.000 He goes, Joe Rogan, I was in the middle of a panic attack.

02:02:27.000 Ha! 0.89

02:02:28.000 And then he takes these two more and he throws them down the hatch.

02:02:31.000 And I'm like, no!

02:02:33.000 We're like halfway across the country on our way to New Jersey and this guy is eating stars of death.

02:02:37.000 No way.

02:02:38.000 It's crazy.

02:02:39.000 It's so potent.

02:02:41.000 They're so potent.

02:02:42.000 I'm sensitive across the board.

02:02:45.000 But you and I are very different than Jamie.

02:02:47.000 Jamie can eat a thousand milligrams.

02:02:49.000 I'm sorry.

02:02:51.000 What? 0.72

02:02:51.000 No bullshit. 0.72

02:02:52.000 Jamie might be an alien. 1.00

02:02:55.000 Are you an alien?

02:02:55.000 I'm not kidding.

02:02:56.000 When's your birthday?

02:02:57.000 He's the best one-handed goo-goo the world's ever known. 1.00

02:03:00.000 Is he?

02:03:00.000 Are you Capricorn?

02:03:02.000 Congratulations.

02:03:03.000 The thing that's important about him, though, is he doesn't get high off of edibles.

02:03:08.000 It doesn't work on him.

02:03:09.000 Can you get drunk?

02:03:11.000 Sure.

02:03:11.000 Okay, cool.

02:03:12.000 There's something about edibles.

02:03:14.000 What else can you do?

02:03:14.000 It's an edible thing.

02:03:15.000 It doesn't work.

02:03:16.000 He'd just sit there and stare at you.

02:03:17.000 It's got a thousand milligrams in him.

02:03:19.000 Yeah.

02:03:20.000 Did you ever hear that story about a monk that, I forget who, went to visit him and gave him LSD. And they were trying to talk to these monks and tell them that this...

02:03:29.000 Yeah, sure.

02:03:30.000 They were trying to tell them that this thing that he had would bring him immediate instant bliss.

02:03:37.000 Enlightenment.

02:03:38.000 Enlightenment.

02:03:38.000 And he ate like 50 doses worth and just laughs at the guy.

02:03:43.000 He goes, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

02:03:44.000 Yeah.

02:03:44.000 Like, it didn't even work on them.

02:03:45.000 Wow.

02:03:47.000 Now, I got this from Duncan Trussell, and he might have got it from someone who's really in love with crystals.

02:03:51.000 So no one can tell whether or not that's true.

02:03:55.000 But it might be true.

02:03:56.000 It sounds like a fun thing to say.

02:04:00.000 It's fun to think to some guy out there that doesn't have sex, that eats only tofu, and he's just breathing all day.

02:04:09.000 Right.

02:04:10.000 And you give him an acid and he doesn't even blink.

02:04:12.000 Well, actually, I know a couple people that have this immense capacity of meditation that Is, I would say, on par with psychedelics and acid and all that stuff.

02:04:26.000 No, I think so, too.

02:04:29.000 It's not on par with the actual experience when it's at its peak, but there's people that are sober, that don't need anything, that have a weird understanding of how things work.

02:04:42.000 I told you there's a viral TikTok video a couple months ago, and now they've come up with a new term for this called Eddie Blocked.

02:04:49.000 There are people that are like me that are Eddie Blocked.

02:04:52.000 They're not able to get high off of edibles.

02:04:54.000 That makes sense.

02:04:55.000 It's a key liver enzyme, apparently.

02:04:57.000 Really?

02:04:58.000 Yeah.

02:04:58.000 Well, we all know people who are alcoholics, right?

02:05:00.000 But if you smoke, does that have a difference?

02:05:02.000 I mean, I can get high instantly.

02:05:03.000 That's it right there?

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:05.000 Eddie Blocked.

02:05:06.000 Some people can't get high from eating marijuana.

02:05:08.000 There it goes.

02:05:10.000 You know what's interesting is...

02:05:14.000 I mean, I don't think people even fucking knew that it was different until like the 2000s when people found out about all the different metabolites that are created when you eat it.

02:05:27.000 11-hydroxy metabolite is a big one. 0.87

02:05:29.000 When you eat it, it's so different than smoking it.

02:05:32.000 Really?

02:05:32.000 Yeah, it's way different.

02:05:33.000 But it's four to five times more psychoactive.

02:05:36.000 So if you have like 20 milligrams of THC and then you eat it, it's a totally different experience than smoking it.

02:05:45.000 Not to get too personal here, but they have those suppositories.

02:05:49.000 Hey! 0.99

02:05:51.000 What has Suzanne been doing? 1.00

02:05:55.000 So, you know, they can personally...

02:05:58.000 Listen, there's nothing wrong with that.

02:06:00.000 ...only use them for severe menstrual cramps, which...

02:06:02.000 What goes up must come down.

02:06:07.000 And I can tell you, it's a great feeling.

02:06:10.000 But it's weird because it's just like in your abdomen in this way that like...

02:06:16.000 Oh, here we go.

02:06:16.000 I just Googled.

02:06:18.000 Suppositories.

02:06:19.000 I typically take suppositories about 15 to 20 minutes to fully melt and absorb into the body, said Reeves.

02:06:26.000 Reeves sounds like a freak.

02:06:27.000 He sounds like he lives in Sedona and he's selling out memberships. 0.99

02:06:31.000 So if you're using them for sexual purposes, be sure to wait at least that long before penetration play. 0.99

02:06:39.000 Penetration play is the creepiest fucking two words together ever. 0.99

02:06:42.000 Yeah, it's pretty weird. 0.99

02:06:43.000 It's pretty weird.

02:06:44.000 I've never used it for fun, but I've used it for pain, and it's pretty incredible.

02:06:52.000 Well, it's good.

02:06:52.000 It's the best way to get it into your bloodstream, right?

02:06:55.000 People are just scared of their butts. 0.99

02:06:57.000 I'm not talking about my butt. 0.99

02:06:59.000 Oh, you go up the other way? 0.99

02:07:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:07:00.000 Oh, well, that works.

02:07:01.000 That makes sense.

02:07:02.000 But it says suppositories. 0.59

02:07:03.000 I'm thinking about butt.

02:07:04.000 It's marketed as such. 0.99

02:07:06.000 Oh, vagina suppositories. 1.00

02:07:08.000 Vagina, yeah. 1.00

02:07:08.000 Oh, suppositories that answer to better, less painful sex. 1.00

02:07:13.000 But, you know, it's great for cramps.

02:07:16.000 That's awesome.

02:07:17.000 Yeah.

02:07:17.000 Well, look, it's a magic plant.

02:07:19.000 I mean, it does so many different things.

02:07:21.000 I'm a gigantic fan of CBD. Really?

02:07:25.000 I always feel like I can't tell if it does anything.

02:07:28.000 If you have inflammation from exercise, if you have inflammation from all kinds of different weird things in life, there's two things you can do to change that.

02:07:39.000 One, alter your diet.

02:07:40.000 It might have something to do.

02:07:42.000 It might be genetic.

02:07:43.000 Yeah, it might be genetic, but it might also have something to do with the foods you're eating where you have a bad reaction to them.

02:07:49.000 Find out what that is. 0.96

02:07:50.000 They tell you to go on an elimination diet, like maybe you go all vegan or you go all carnivore, whatever the fuck it is. 0.87

02:07:56.000 It's like find out what keeps you from having this constant state of inflammation. 0.92

02:08:01.000 You might be allergic to something.

02:08:02.000 Two, you should probably check to see if you are allergic to something.

02:08:06.000 I'm sure I am.

02:08:08.000 Everybody is, right?

02:08:10.000 But the other thing they say is you've got to do something that's healthy for you that has these anti-inflammation properties to it.

02:08:19.000 And in my experience, CBD has been one of the best because when you work out a lot, you get sore joints.

02:08:27.000 Do you take it as a tincture or something or as a topical?

02:08:31.000 Everything.

02:08:32.000 I take a topical.

02:08:33.000 I take oral.

02:08:35.000 I take gummies.

02:08:36.000 I eat gummies.

02:08:36.000 I take drops.

02:08:38.000 I do drops.

02:08:39.000 And you can feel a difference?

02:08:41.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:08:42.000 I've had what they would call turf toe, where my toes almost have arthritis from kicking things.

02:08:50.000 Okay.

02:08:51.000 Because when you're kicking a heavy bag, you have this thing that's hanging there. 0.97

02:08:54.000 It's 150 pounds, and you're fucking stabbing it with the ball of your foot, and your toe gets compressed all the time. 0.86

02:09:01.000 And plus, you're pushing off of it, so there's a lot of repetitive use. 0.97

02:09:05.000 The thing that helps you more than anything is CBD. Oh, shit. 1.00

02:09:08.000 More than anything. 1.00

02:09:09.000 But you attack it from all the angles you use.

02:09:12.000 I do, but I don't do any rub-on stuff on my toes.

02:09:15.000 I just take drops, or I take gummies.

02:09:19.000 Cool.

02:09:20.000 Yeah, I think CBDMD has these super potent gummies, and I'll take like 10 of them.

02:09:25.000 And you get a little treat.

02:09:26.000 No, it doesn't get you high at all.

02:09:28.000 No, I mean, they're sweet.

02:09:29.000 It's like a little candy.

02:09:30.000 It's sugar.

02:09:31.000 But there's a lot of people that sell CBD mixed with THC. The problem with that is if you have a square job, like if you work somewhere where they're going to test your pee-pee, Like, Suzanne, we don't trust your body.

02:09:43.000 They don't do that with musicians.

02:09:44.000 We gotta test your baby. 0.99

02:09:45.000 But if you did... 0.99

02:09:46.000 They can back the fuck off. 0.98

02:09:47.000 Can you imagine if you worked for some firm? 0.98

02:09:49.000 No.

02:09:50.000 And you're like, Suzanne, we would love to have you climb the corporate ladder.

02:09:53.000 It was never in the cards for me.

02:09:54.000 Actually...

02:09:54.000 Check that urine.

02:09:55.000 Never mind. 0.99

02:09:56.000 Piss in the bucket, please. 0.99

02:09:58.000 Please? 0.87

02:09:58.000 I think my only other option of a, like, other job would have been selling spaghetti and pizza in Cleveland. 0.87

02:10:06.000 That's not a bad job.

02:10:07.000 Not a bad job.

02:10:07.000 People are happy.

02:10:08.000 It's a great job.

02:10:09.000 They eat good food.

02:10:10.000 They feel good when they eat.

02:10:11.000 Well, you're entertaining, too.

02:10:12.000 There's something about feeding people.

02:10:16.000 I love to cook.

02:10:17.000 It's not a bad alternative.

02:10:19.000 It's a legitimate connection with people because it's like the pleasure centers of the brain are activated by good food.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:25.000 And also like comfort and friendship.

02:10:27.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:27.000 Food is love.

02:10:28.000 All that stuff.

02:10:29.000 And the good one, good food is.

02:10:31.000 Yeah.

02:10:32.000 Yeah, I mean my...

02:10:33.000 Like wheatgrass juice is not really love.

02:10:35.000 Not particularly.

02:10:37.000 I mean, it's not hate.

02:10:39.000 If you drink wheatgrass, you're just deciding, I want to be healthy.

02:10:43.000 Well, it's nice when you're in that zone of like, I'm taking care of myself and I know wheatgrass and ginger and all that stuff are good juice.

02:10:51.000 You know, it's good.

02:10:51.000 It's good.

02:10:52.000 I think the wheatgrass lobby might have pulled a fucking fast one on us. 0.99

02:10:55.000 Oh yeah? 1.00

02:10:56.000 You think it's bullshit? 1.00

02:10:56.000 I'm not buying it anymore. 1.00

02:10:57.000 It tastes terrible.

02:10:59.000 I feel like things that are good for you should taste good.

02:11:01.000 Up until like cake.

02:11:03.000 This is funny.

02:11:05.000 Recently, a good friend of mine here in Austin told me about this stuff called black oxygen. 0.99

02:11:10.000 Oh, that's that bullshit they were talking about the other day, Jamie. 0.99

02:11:13.000 Oh my God. 0.99

02:11:14.000 Okay, so I started taking it, Joe, and it's powder form.

02:11:18.000 It's dirt.

02:11:19.000 You're eating dirt.

02:11:19.000 It's fulvic acid, which is minerals.

02:11:22.000 Which is dirt.

02:11:22.000 So I was taking it, and then I was actually losing some weight.

02:11:27.000 Of course you were.

02:11:27.000 You were dying.

02:11:30.000 You're eating dirt and you're dying.

02:11:32.000 So Nick went to go buy us some more.

02:11:33.000 No, Nick!

02:11:35.000 And you couldn't find it anywhere because literally- Because it's illegal!

02:11:38.000 That day, I'm not kidding you. 0.99

02:11:39.000 That day was like December 6th or some shit. 1.00

02:11:42.000 It came out that this was like some fucking pyramid scheme. 1.00

02:11:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:47.000 And there was arsenic and lead and you couldn't get it on Amazon.

02:11:51.000 You couldn't even find their website.

02:11:53.000 And I was like, oh my God.

02:11:55.000 Oh, so I've been poisoning myself.

02:11:57.000 Crazy is that that can be a thing.

02:12:00.000 I'm fine, by the way.

02:12:01.000 Someone could literally sell dirt.

02:12:03.000 Like, I got an idea, bro. 1.00

02:12:05.000 Match a bunch of guys in a fucking apartment somewhere in Santa Monica. 0.99

02:12:07.000 They've been doing this for centuries. 0.99

02:12:09.000 This has been like, this is a thing.

02:12:10.000 I know, but the fact that it got to you.

02:12:12.000 It got to you.

02:12:13.000 It got to you.

02:12:14.000 Listen, if that ever comes up, please run it by me.

02:12:17.000 Yeah, if someone gives me a new thing?

02:12:19.000 Yeah, I'll run it up the totem pole.

02:12:20.000 I'll get an answer, quick.

02:12:21.000 Thank you, friend.

02:12:21.000 There's always someone who will go, hey, hey, hey.

02:12:24.000 No, No!

02:12:25.000 Well, you know, the thing is, thank you.

02:12:27.000 I appreciate that.

02:12:28.000 I am after a life of health and vitality and joy, and so, you know, I exercise a lot, and I keep a fairly, you know, like, concise diet, give or take, getting stoned and eating cereal at midnight,

02:12:44.000 but whatever.

02:12:44.000 Cereal is delicious.

02:12:45.000 It's so good.

02:12:46.000 Why is it so good when it's so bad for you?

02:12:48.000 What's your, like, guilty pleasure?

02:12:50.000 Which one?

02:12:51.000 If I had Peanut Butter Captain Crunch next to Count Chocula, which one are you going to grab? 0.56

02:12:56.000 So we're more of the berry...

02:12:58.000 Fruit Loops?

02:12:58.000 We do Fruit Loops and kind of like...

02:13:00.000 Blueberry?

02:13:00.000 But we'll get the organic Fruit Loops.

02:13:02.000 Oh, that's bullshit. 1.00

02:13:04.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:13:05.000 I like Golden Grahams, too.

02:13:06.000 We had a sponsor for a while that had a keto breakfast cereal.

02:13:11.000 Magic Spoon.

02:13:12.000 Pretty fucking good. 0.98

02:13:13.000 It's pretty good. 0.99

02:13:14.000 You know what?

02:13:15.000 It's like 70% of the taste with zero guilt.

02:13:18.000 And I put honey on that, on that keto stuff. 0.99

02:13:20.000 Oh, you're a terrible person. 0.89

02:13:21.000 No, honey's good. 0.99

02:13:21.000 That's not good. 0.99

02:13:22.000 It's fucking natural. 0.99

02:13:23.000 No, no, no, you fuck up the whole vibe. 0.99

02:13:24.000 No, it's okay. 0.94

02:13:25.000 No, you have no sugar.

02:13:26.000 Maybe a little cinnamon.

02:13:28.000 Look, don't stop on my dreams. 0.99

02:13:31.000 Isn't it fucked that Sugar is such a siren song? 1.00

02:13:35.000 It just pulls you right into the rocks. 1.00

02:13:39.000 You're just like, I'll take it.

02:13:41.000 Give me the tiramisu.

02:13:43.000 Crash! 1.00

02:13:43.000 Right into the rocks, face first. 1.00

02:13:45.000 I love tiramisu.

02:13:47.000 Tiramisu is my all-time favorite.

02:13:49.000 What are you, Italian? 1.00

02:13:51.000 I'm a fucking Italian over here. 1.00

02:13:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:13:55.000 Tiramisu is my number one.

02:13:57.000 If I could have just tiramisu, if I went last day on earth, 100%.

02:14:01.000 Love it.

02:14:02.000 Big fan.

02:14:04.000 I have a compote on it or no.

02:14:06.000 I like a little fruit on top of it or no.

02:14:08.000 You don't like cheesecake?

02:14:10.000 That doesn't mean you're a bad Italian.

02:14:11.000 It means you recognize the tiramisu is better.

02:14:13.000 If tiramisu and cheesecake are right next to each other, the tiramisu looks like it's properly prepared.

02:14:18.000 The correct rule is to go with the tiramisu. 0.99

02:14:21.000 That stuff has to fuck with that cheesecake. 0.99

02:14:22.000 That stuff gets in the roof of your mouth. 1.00

02:14:24.000 It's okay.

02:14:26.000 Tiramisu is better.

02:14:27.000 Tiramisu is like, there's something about when they have the little cocoa powder on the top of the cream and the cheese.

02:14:33.000 Was it mascarpone cheese?

02:14:35.000 Oh my god!

02:14:37.000 It's so creamy. 0.99

02:14:40.000 You're such a bad person.

02:14:42.000 It's just so wonderful.

02:14:44.000 I think that we have to enjoy these delicacies more.

02:14:47.000 Like that baby with the pizza.

02:14:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:14:49.000 That's what we have to be.

02:14:50.000 Like your Christmas.

02:14:51.000 Just eat your pie, Joe.

02:14:52.000 Eat your pie.

02:14:53.000 No, no, no.

02:14:54.000 I ate too much pie.

02:14:56.000 Daddy's got a problem.

02:14:57.000 You're too determined.

02:14:58.000 That's the problem.

02:14:59.000 I add that to pie.

02:15:01.000 I'm determined to eat more pie.

02:15:03.000 Once I eat a piece of pie, I'm like, let's go!

02:15:05.000 You're never going to turn into Fat Thor.

02:15:07.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:15:08.000 It's like Slayer songs start playing. 0.99

02:15:13.000 And then I want to conquer this fucking cherry pie. 0.99

02:15:16.000 It's not good. 0.99

02:15:18.000 No, you're going to be fine. 0.95

02:15:19.000 I don't appreciate that I'm going to feel like shit for like 12 hours afterwards. 0.98

02:15:23.000 That's the problem. 0.99

02:15:24.000 12 hours?

02:15:25.000 Yeah.

02:15:26.000 Did you sleep that night?

02:15:27.000 Yeah, okay.

02:15:28.000 But I always have like crazy nightmares.

02:15:30.000 Yeah.

02:15:31.000 Like when you have too much sugar in your system, like your body's trying to fight off demons.

02:15:34.000 Totally, totally.

02:15:35.000 I had a nightmare last night that I was late for the Rogan podcast like I did the last time and it was this real odyssey.

02:15:41.000 You were late last time?

02:15:42.000 No, but I had the same dream that I was late.

02:15:45.000 But last time, Brad Pitt was my boyfriend, and I was late.

02:15:49.000 And I had it last night.

02:15:50.000 I was late, and I realized...

02:15:53.000 So it was like Nick and I were at this bar that I love called the Sagebrush here.

02:15:58.000 They have all these pool tables, and they always have live music, and it's great.

02:16:01.000 Where's that at?

02:16:02.000 It's farther down on South Congress in Austin.

02:16:05.000 It's great.

02:16:06.000 It's just like a honky-tonk.

02:16:07.000 Oh, nice.

02:16:08.000 And we shoot a lot of pool.

02:16:09.000 It's really fun. 0.98

02:16:10.000 Do you shoot like that bullshit bar pool, or do you shoot like a real table? 0.99

02:16:14.000 What do you mean? 1.00

02:16:14.000 I don't want to shame you. 1.00

02:16:15.000 Shame me?

02:16:16.000 Little tiny tables.

02:16:18.000 No, they're full tables.

02:16:19.000 You put coins in?

02:16:19.000 Full tables.

02:16:20.000 Oh yeah, you put coins in.

02:16:21.000 So that's a bar table.

02:16:24.000 You want a nine-foot table.

02:16:26.000 That's real pool.

02:16:28.000 Jamie, you're a basketball player. 0.98

02:16:30.000 If you played basketball in a tiny little bullshit room like this size, you retired from basketball? 0.98

02:16:36.000 Yeah, last week. 0.99

02:16:37.000 Really?

02:16:37.000 No.

02:16:38.000 Because of a ballback basketball player.

02:16:41.000 I was actually shooting baskets last night for the first time in three years.

02:16:44.000 Let's say it this way.

02:16:45.000 Instead of basketball, because I know you actually have a wicked three-pointer, if golf was on a very small lot...

02:16:53.000 Wow, it makes it easy.

02:16:55.000 Right.

02:16:55.000 It'd be a problem.

02:16:56.000 It's a part three.

02:16:57.000 But it wouldn't be the same, right?

02:16:58.000 Okay, okay, okay.

02:16:59.000 First of all, I beat you on your own table one time.

02:17:02.000 What happened?

02:17:02.000 I scratched?

02:17:03.000 No, you did not scratch.

02:17:04.000 You won?

02:17:04.000 I did win.

02:17:05.000 Seems odd.

02:17:06.000 No, it was...

02:17:07.000 I was probably trying to set you up for a bet.

02:17:10.000 Gary was there too.

02:17:11.000 We had a witness.

02:17:12.000 Okay.

02:17:12.000 First of all, we're going to play after this.

02:17:13.000 We'll see.

02:17:14.000 Okay.

02:17:15.000 You can actually play a little pool.

02:17:17.000 You're a smart person.

02:17:19.000 You know where the ball's going.

02:17:20.000 You figure it out.

02:17:21.000 You think it through.

02:17:21.000 I love pool.

02:17:22.000 I know you do.

02:17:23.000 I've played a lot, but you had a glove on the first time we played together.

02:17:27.000 Well, I have sweaty hands.

02:17:31.000 Here's the thing.

02:17:31.000 I'm fully aware when I put this glove on, I'm going to be made fun of.

02:17:35.000 I won't make fun of you.

02:17:36.000 It's like a little black glove.

02:17:37.000 I respect you.

02:17:37.000 It's only over two fingers, folks.

02:17:39.000 Well, two fingers and a thumb.

02:17:40.000 It's because my fingers sweat, and I have these kamui gloves.

02:17:45.000 It makes the cue slide through my fingers better.

02:17:48.000 I know, it's a joke. 0.96

02:17:49.000 I'm like, while I'm doing it, I'm like, I'm a loser.

02:17:51.000 I know, but this is better. 0.92

02:17:52.000 No, you're not.

02:17:52.000 First of all, you're a pool athlete, and you have passion, and I respect that.

02:18:01.000 Look, you get your gear, you know?

02:18:02.000 No, it's better with a glove than no glove.

02:18:05.000 That's the only reason why I do it.

02:18:06.000 Don't I know it?

02:18:07.000 Not true. 0.99

02:18:08.000 You feel like a loser. 0.99

02:18:09.000 You do feel like a guy with a glove on.

02:18:14.000 But a lot of the best players, if you looked at all the best players in the world, I would say at least 50% of them are wearing pool gloves.

02:18:24.000 I mean, it's like a delicacy.

02:18:26.000 It's like, how do you want to do this?

02:18:29.000 You're right.

02:18:29.000 I like playing not slop.

02:18:31.000 We don't play slop, but playing at the bar.

02:18:33.000 We can play slop.

02:18:34.000 No, we're not going to play slop.

02:18:36.000 I know how to play.

02:18:37.000 We're not playing slop.

02:18:37.000 That's not why I said it.

02:18:39.000 First of all, that's insulting.

02:18:41.000 It's fun.

02:18:41.000 It's fun to play wild.

02:18:43.000 The balls are wild.

02:18:44.000 That's how gamblers play.

02:18:46.000 When they gamble on nine ball, they play all the balls wild.

02:18:50.000 Wait, what does that mean?

02:18:51.000 That means if you go to shoot a one ball in a side pocket.

02:18:54.000 Oh, we're talking gambling on pool.

02:18:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:55.000 When you gamble a nine ball.

02:18:57.000 One of the reasons why nine ball is a gambler's game, and this goes back to decades and decades ago, is that nine ball is kind of a wild game in that all the balls are wild.

02:19:08.000 If you went to shoot the one ball in the corner, but you missed, and it bounced three rails and went into the side pocket, still good.

02:19:15.000 Right.

02:19:16.000 Still good.

02:19:17.000 It counts.

02:19:18.000 Because the ball went in the hole.

02:19:19.000 You didn't have to want to make it in that hole.

02:19:22.000 But here's the thing.

02:19:23.000 I prefer the intentional.

02:19:25.000 Right.

02:19:25.000 But it favors the person who makes the best shots, but the luck factor makes it exciting for people watching.

02:19:33.000 Because you can see a person who's a better person.

02:19:35.000 Ah, I prefer skill over luck. 0.98

02:19:36.000 I do too, but there's something fun about watching a nine ball ricochet around a fucking table when someone missed and then go into the corner pocket. 0.97

02:19:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:19:46.000 You're like, ah! 0.99

02:19:47.000 I love the lottery.

02:19:48.000 It's exciting.

02:19:49.000 And gamblers love that.

02:19:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:50.000 So the skillful players decided to invest in ten ball.

02:19:54.000 What ten ball is is nine ball plus another ball you have to call every shot.

02:19:58.000 Okay.

02:19:59.000 So it's rotation the way nine ball is, but it also has no luck involved at all.

02:20:04.000 And then gamblers started moving towards that.

02:20:07.000 But that's a little trickier when you're betting on ten ball.

02:20:11.000 There's a difference between...

02:20:13.000 Sometimes you'll over-assess how good someone is at nine ball, and then you see them at ten ball.

02:20:17.000 That one extra ball that you have to maneuver around to knock that one into makes...

02:20:22.000 A giant percentage, maybe 10%, whatever it is.

02:20:25.000 There's a difference, yeah.

02:20:26.000 And if you played 15 balls, if you had to do those in rotation, then you would really see the difference in players.

02:20:33.000 There's a guy named Efren Reyes, arguably the greatest of all time from the Philippines.

02:20:37.000 One of the greats, for sure.

02:20:39.000 Played rotation, which is like a 15-ball game in the Philippines.

02:20:42.000 So you got so used to playing with 15 balls that nine balls was easy.

02:20:47.000 So when you came over to America, you had a way better sense of where the ball was going than people who just played nine balls.

02:20:53.000 It's a pool.

02:20:55.000 There's a thing going on with pool.

02:20:58.000 It's like testing where you are in the moment.

02:21:01.000 It's not just testing whether or not you know how to shoot a ball.

02:21:04.000 It's how together are you.

02:21:06.000 How bad do you hate yourself?

02:21:07.000 100%.

02:21:08.000 100%.

02:21:09.000 Joe, you're so right.

02:21:10.000 I was literally talking to Nick about this last night.

02:21:12.000 I said, I compared that sentiment to other areas in my life where I was like, when I'm doubting myself, I'm like, I'm not going to make this.

02:21:24.000 But I can.

02:21:25.000 I have the skill.

02:21:26.000 I know how to play pool.

02:21:26.000 I'm actually pretty good.

02:21:28.000 But there's this mental game going on, just like tennis.

02:21:31.000 I love tennis.

02:21:31.000 When I play tennis, I'm pretty competitive.

02:21:37.000 I wouldn't normally admit that, but I've had a few in the S.I.M. competitive.

02:21:43.000 The mental game is everything.

02:21:45.000 I mean, you know.

02:21:46.000 And I can attribute that to pool in that way where before I even get to the table and I line it up, I'm like...

02:21:54.000 And I start doubting and telling myself, you know, whatever.

02:21:58.000 But...

02:22:00.000 When I'm in a different state of mind, and I'll have the table for five, six games in a row, and I've done it.

02:22:07.000 But it's a weird internal struggle I have with making more on Suzanne.

02:22:12.000 You should go pro.

02:22:16.000 Making war, Suzanne.

02:22:18.000 I need to be nice to Suzanne. 0.64

02:22:19.000 There's a song there.

02:22:20.000 I know.

02:22:21.000 I'm telling you.

02:22:21.000 I know.

02:22:22.000 I know.

02:22:22.000 She's cool.

02:22:24.000 Dude, we've been talking for almost three fucking hours. 0.99

02:22:28.000 It's 420. I didn't know that. 0.99

02:22:29.000 How is that possible?

02:22:30.000 Well, we have fun.

02:22:32.000 Jamie knows.

02:22:33.000 He's like, God, I'm so bored with this.

02:22:34.000 Are you bored?

02:22:35.000 No.

02:22:36.000 Oh.

02:22:36.000 I'm not.

02:22:36.000 Jamie is.

02:22:37.000 Look at him.

02:22:38.000 He's falling asleep over there.

02:22:39.000 What's your typical podcast time frame these days?

02:22:41.000 There's no...

02:22:41.000 I mean, it's usually generally around three hours everyone has to pee.

02:22:45.000 Yeah.

02:22:45.000 But we already peed.

02:22:46.000 Yeah.

02:22:46.000 You know, it's like...

02:22:46.000 You know, those toilets are pretty low.

02:22:48.000 They're like squatty potties.

02:22:49.000 Some of them are.

02:22:50.000 Yeah, some of them are low.

02:22:51.000 In the ladies' room, apparently, they're very low.

02:22:53.000 In the men's room, they're normal size.

02:22:56.000 It was fun.

02:22:57.000 I was like...

02:22:58.000 Yeah.

02:22:59.000 We've been here a whole year, but we still haven't totally figured this place out.

02:23:03.000 It's wonderful.

02:23:04.000 No, I think the Squatty Potty's great.

02:23:07.000 Squatty bodies are good.

02:23:09.000 Have you ever used that thing that you put under the feet of the toilet?

02:23:11.000 You sit on it?

02:23:12.000 It's great.

02:23:13.000 You put your feet on it?

02:23:13.000 Yeah.

02:23:14.000 It's good.

02:23:14.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 We're supposed to squat over holes.

02:23:16.000 Mm-hmm.

02:23:17.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:23:18.000 There's this book called...

02:23:19.000 Oh, my God.

02:23:21.000 It's by...

02:23:24.000 Oh, boy.

02:23:25.000 It's about your digestive system and, like...

02:23:27.000 Your what?

02:23:28.000 Your digestive system.

02:23:30.000 Sorry.

02:23:31.000 Your fault.

02:23:32.000 That's Buffalo Trace coming home.

02:23:35.000 Your digestive system.

02:23:36.000 It's like...

02:23:39.000 Can you edit that out?

02:23:41.000 No, keep it in. 0.98

02:23:42.000 Goddammit! 0.98

02:23:42.000 That part would keep it in. 0.98

02:23:43.000 Only the legal stuff would get out.

02:23:45.000 The problem is we can get Ed and happy.

02:23:47.000 It's about your digestive system.

02:23:50.000 The name is escaping me right now, but it's amazing what happens.

02:23:55.000 First of all, the minute you have a forkful of food coming towards your mouth and your senses and all the things going on inside your mouth, like these trash cans of saliva that are going to grab whatever's bad and whatever's good and all your nutrients and all that stuff.

02:24:15.000 Our bodies are fascinating.

02:24:17.000 They're freaking fascinating.

02:24:19.000 But anyway, this book gives you this whole rundown start to finish on what happens when you're ingesting food and it's going through your digestive system.

02:24:30.000 It's like, what the heck?

02:24:36.000 And we're back.

02:24:37.000 But like, lost it, found it.

02:24:42.000 Just the way that we're made up, anyway.

02:24:46.000 Nature is bizarre.

02:24:49.000 Our digestive systems are really strange.

02:24:51.000 The idea that there's a bunch of bacteria living down there that gives us an appetite for certain foods.

02:24:58.000 People that start eating healthy, they start craving healthy foods. 0.98

02:25:01.000 They start craving salmon and shit. 0.91

02:25:03.000 Well, if you have candida, your sugar intake is through the roof. 0.99

02:25:08.000 And a lot of people do.

02:25:09.000 A lot of people do.

02:25:10.000 We're an ecosystem.

02:25:12.000 That's the weirdest part about being a person that's never, I mean, very rarely discussed that there's more bacteria living in your gut than have ever been people ever.

02:25:23.000 There's a bunch of weird factors that attribute to your personality.

02:25:27.000 Well, your gut health and your mental health are very related.

02:25:31.000 They're directly related.

02:25:34.000 The problem is we look at it in terms of a bunch of different systems working together.

02:25:38.000 I think we should look at it as one big system that has a bunch of different entities to it.

02:25:43.000 And if you had that, you'd be like, oh, I'm going to pour sand in the engine.

02:25:46.000 Don't worry about it.

02:25:47.000 It's fine.

02:25:48.000 It's only pie.

02:25:49.000 But that's what we're doing.

02:25:50.000 It's only pie.

02:25:51.000 It's delicious. 1.00

02:25:52.000 I'm pouring delicious sand into the fucking gears. 1.00

02:25:56.000 I've got a bag. 1.00

02:25:57.000 That's what it's like.

02:25:58.000 And we're accustomed to doing it.

02:26:00.000 I'm not saying that it shouldn't be an option, but I'm saying that we need to be way more vocal about what this is.

02:26:08.000 I agree.

02:26:09.000 Here's a question.

02:26:12.000 I mean, you're a very healthy guy.

02:26:13.000 You have your body down to a science, right?

02:26:17.000 In a way?

02:26:18.000 I have my body down to a pseudoscience.

02:26:21.000 But you have the resources and you exercise in a way that your body is very important to you.

02:26:27.000 I work out a lot, yes.

02:26:28.000 But on top of that, you also experience enlightenment in various forms of meditation or maybe psychedelics or whatever it is that works for you.

02:26:42.000 And my question to you is, do you feel a difference when you have achieved a level of, it's not even self-awareness, it's kind of like an overall, like maybe spiritual and physical and mental awareness, where you introduce or reintroduce a contaminant or sugar,

02:27:01.000 where you feel it harder than you did maybe when you were a kid, right?

02:27:06.000 I think you feel it harder when you're a kid, and I think you also feel it harder when you're more aware of how...

02:27:12.000 I don't think you feel it harder when you're a kid. 1.00

02:27:13.000 When you're a kid, you're just like, fucking cupcakes. 1.00

02:27:16.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

02:27:17.000 You feel it harder as an adult than when you were a kid.

02:27:19.000 Got it, got it.

02:27:20.000 That's what I meant.

02:27:20.000 Like, now, as a 54-year-old, if I eat cupcakes...

02:27:24.000 You're 54?

02:27:24.000 I'm 54. You look great.

02:27:25.000 Thank you.

02:27:26.000 My friend, Suzanne.

02:27:29.000 If I eat cupcakes today, I feel them very differently than if I ate cupcakes when I was 20. When I was 20, it was like thrown into a volcano.

02:27:37.000 It would just burn off, and that would be the end of it.

02:27:39.000 It's just like a trash bag.

02:27:40.000 It didn't matter.

02:27:41.000 But that's the case with all of us.

02:27:44.000 But there's also a thing where I think I'm more aware of how what I eat affects my body, whereas back then I was just like, I was just fucking bouncing into walls with blinders on and I don't think I was necessarily that aware.

02:27:59.000 I think I was like more engine, less traction.

02:28:03.000 Sure.

02:28:03.000 I was a lot of like sliding into trees.

02:28:08.000 There's a lot of acceleration not under control.

02:28:10.000 And I think that's the same with my diet.

02:28:12.000 Because I think that when you're young and you eat like three pizzas, you don't even think about it.

02:28:18.000 But then when you're tired, you don't put the two and two together. 0.98

02:28:21.000 You don't go, oh my god, I feel like shit because I ate three pizzas. 1.00

02:28:25.000 You just feel like shit for whatever random reason. 1.00

02:28:27.000 I can't wait to feel good again. 1.00

02:28:29.000 And you just keep eating the same kind of food.

02:28:30.000 But when you get older, you are more vulnerable to your choices.

02:28:35.000 You feel your food choices differently.

02:28:37.000 But also, you've had a conversation with your body for more years.

02:28:41.000 So as the more years go on, the more you and your body have this understanding of the requirements.

02:28:46.000 Me and my body will have little arguments. 1.00

02:28:48.000 My body will talk to the brain and go, hey pussy. 1.00

02:28:51.000 What are we doing? 1.00

02:28:52.000 We need to do something.

02:28:53.000 We're getting annoyed at people. 1.00

02:28:55.000 It's time to go to the gym, fuckface. 1.00

02:28:56.000 And then my brain would be like, it's good to have rest and recovery. 1.00

02:29:00.000 And then the body will shut up, bitch. 1.00

02:29:02.000 I think that's where that Sarno stuff comes in play for me. 0.99

02:29:05.000 Not in the overall view.

02:29:07.000 Explain that, because we were talking about that before we started the podcast.

02:29:09.000 Right.

02:29:10.000 So Nick introduced me to the Dr. Sarno Methods.

02:29:15.000 It's John Sarno.

02:29:17.000 John Sarno, yeah.

02:29:18.000 Because I would get these repetitive, it would start in my specifically right shoulder blade up my neck to the back of my skull and I wouldn't be able to like turn my head and it would lock and I would always attribute it to like, oh, I slept funny or like I've been playing music even if I weren't playing music.

02:29:36.000 And so I was married to this narrative that wasn't necessarily true.

02:29:42.000 And it was mostly mental.

02:29:43.000 And mind you, if I had an injury, that'd be one thing.

02:29:48.000 But this was that Sarno...

02:29:52.000 You know, ethos of like you have repressed emotions or you have something that you're not acknowledging.

02:29:57.000 Like a psychosomatic thing, right?

02:29:59.000 Exactly.

02:30:00.000 He calls it TMS. What is that?

02:30:02.000 It stands for tension mitosis syndrome.

02:30:05.000 So what happens is your brain fires off Your repressed emotions and it manifests in your body and it's real pain.

02:30:14.000 It's not made up.

02:30:16.000 And so my muscles are deprived of, like your myofascial is deprived of oxygen, which creates this lock in your shoulder blade, which is where it would show up for me.

02:30:26.000 How is your myofascia deprived of oxygen?

02:30:29.000 Because your brain, it's your repressed emotions and they're putting it somewhere.

02:30:33.000 So it's like your brain makes the muscle contract or something?

02:30:37.000 It's putting this anger or unresolved thing in your body.

02:30:43.000 And specifically what happens is your myofascia is deprived of oxygen which then makes the muscle lock.

02:30:51.000 Is this a theory of what the mechanism is or has this actually been proven by studies?

02:30:58.000 I think it's been proven by studies.

02:30:59.000 I mean, I've read his books, and I've watched a bunch of YouTube videos, so I'm not an expert on it, but I can tell you from my life, when I recognized that my pain was potentially ostensibly emotional, I started examining,

02:31:16.000 well, what are you really feeling?

02:31:17.000 And it's sort of meditative in that way.

02:31:20.000 And I'll be honest.

02:31:22.000 When I've had moments of tension where I was having an argument or something, or I was getting bad news in an email, and I'd start to feel whatever.

02:31:30.000 Maybe my stomach hurt, and I get a lot of stomach aches, and that's definitely a manifestation of my emotions. 0.54

02:31:39.000 I would take a different approach rather than be like, oh, fuck, I've got to get some Rolaids, and I've got to lay down, and I have this routine that I've had for a long time. 0.83

02:31:49.000 And I would approach it differently. 0.98

02:31:51.000 And I have been approaching it differently.

02:31:53.000 And it's really been interesting.

02:31:56.000 And mind you, we were talking about this earlier, about if you have actual pain from residual, whether it's...

02:32:01.000 You were talking about jujitsu and oxygen deprivation from holds and things.

02:32:07.000 Right.

02:32:08.000 I can just speak for myself.

02:32:10.000 I'm not an expert.

02:32:11.000 But when I would entertain even the idea that, you know, Suze, this is...

02:32:19.000 I think you're mad about something else and you should sit with that.

02:32:25.000 My shoulder would change.

02:32:28.000 Right, so you were just clenched up.

02:32:30.000 Yeah.

02:32:31.000 The pain is real.

02:32:33.000 That's the thing.

02:32:34.000 The pain is not an idea. 1.00

02:32:36.000 You're actually having a thing that fucking sucks. 0.98

02:32:39.000 And I think it's important also to say there's two different things. 1.00

02:32:41.000 There's someone who's been in a car accident and clearly has a fucked up back, and that's causing them pain. 0.89

02:32:46.000 And then someone where they can look at an MRI or an X-ray and they go, we don't know what's wrong, but you're in agony. 0.97

02:32:53.000 Yes.

02:32:53.000 But when you go back to like our caveman cells, like if you – we neglect to remember that our bodies are really incredible.

02:33:02.000 They heal themselves.

02:33:04.000 And like a lot of our injuries are like residual, like pharmaceutical, like you have restless leg syndrome, so you have to take this.

02:33:11.000 Like, you know, a lot of that stuff is really mental.

02:33:14.000 But we marry ourselves to this, like, oh, yeah, that's right.

02:33:18.000 I got a bad back.

02:33:19.000 Or me, I have bad feet, so I'm going to have this and this.

02:33:21.000 And so I would just, like, subscribe to this idea rather than give myself the...

02:33:29.000 I have the opportunity to be a healthy living adult that has a lot of, like, you know, I'm not broken.

02:33:37.000 Right.

02:33:37.000 But I've thought that for a long time.

02:33:40.000 I've thought, like, oh, man, I got bad feet, so I'm going to have bad knees and a bad back.

02:33:42.000 But you always say, like, the bad feet thing.

02:33:44.000 Like, have you ever looked at, like, foot strengthening exercises?

02:33:47.000 Oh, yeah, no, I got yoga toes.

02:33:49.000 Do they help?

02:33:49.000 Yeah, they do.

02:33:50.000 They do, right?

02:33:51.000 And yoga helps a lot.

02:33:52.000 Well, they really should.

02:33:53.000 We're all supposed to have fingers, or toes, rather, splay out, like, fingers.

02:33:57.000 Correct.

02:33:58.000 Yeah.

02:33:58.000 So this is what I'm saying.

02:34:00.000 This idea that you can sort of reconnect with your natural physical being as opposed to like, you got this, you should take this medicine for this.

02:34:10.000 And just thinking for a long time that you have an issue that you ostensibly don't have.

02:34:17.000 Mind you, if you have an accident or something that might require more attention, that's different.

02:34:24.000 But I've recognized recently that a lot of my shoulder and neck issues are specifically emotional.

02:34:31.000 Well, I think there's a lot of people for sure that are experiencing that.

02:34:34.000 There's a lot of people for sure that are experiencing a lot of tension.

02:34:37.000 And especially now, like more than ever in our lives, right? 0.95

02:34:41.000 Like when have you ever been alive where people are this fucking tense? 0.97

02:34:45.000 No. 0.95

02:34:46.000 Well, I mean, what you were saying earlier about Like our line of work in entertainment and like we don't get to create.

02:34:54.000 We don't get an audience.

02:34:56.000 Yeah, we get locked out of what we do.

02:34:57.000 But other people, their jobs are their passion and things that they love.

02:35:03.000 They get locked out of that too.

02:35:04.000 How about chefs? 0.99

02:35:05.000 A lot of people that worked in restaurants got fucked. 1.00

02:35:10.000 It became a real goddamn shit show for those folks. 1.00

02:35:15.000 And how about teachers who are terrified? 1.00

02:35:17.000 Thank you.

02:35:18.000 How about teachers that are terrified?

02:35:20.000 The Lord's work.

02:35:21.000 We're making it happen.

02:35:23.000 There's so many teachers out there that are terrified of their kids getting them sick and then they're dying.

02:35:30.000 They're really worried.

02:35:31.000 If you're a teacher and maybe you haven't been concentrating on your health and all of a sudden going to school is not just you're going to take care of some kids and give them some ideas and help them to educate themselves and evolve their view of the world, now you might die.

02:35:46.000 Now you might die.

02:35:47.000 Now your job is a new thing.

02:35:48.000 Do you believe that?

02:35:48.000 100%.

02:35:49.000 For some people, they definitely might die.

02:35:51.000 It's just how many?

02:35:52.000 What's the percentage?

02:35:54.000 For sure. 0.99

02:35:55.000 I know people that have gotten fucked up by COVID. And I know people that just breezed through it. 0.98

02:36:00.000 And I know people that got fucked up by Delta. 0.83

02:36:04.000 And I know people that got this new one, Omicron, and it's been nothing for them. 0.94

02:36:09.000 So fortunately, that's the way this is headed with this particular variant, is that it's more contagious than ever, but it's less virulent.

02:36:18.000 It's not rough on most people.

02:36:21.000 And they've only recorded, I think, seven deaths, or maybe nine deaths worldwide.

02:36:27.000 I don't know how many deaths worldwide have been from Omicron.

02:36:31.000 But only one of them in the United States, and they kind of abandoned that.

02:36:35.000 They had this idea that this guy was...

02:36:37.000 They said he definitely tested positive when he died, but he had pre-existing conditions that they think may have been the cause of death.

02:36:45.000 Whatever it is.

02:36:46.000 But that's one.

02:36:47.000 Only one person. 0.92

02:36:48.000 So who knows how many fucking hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, have caught it over the last month or so. 0.98

02:36:54.000 It's been a viral blizzard. 0.99

02:36:57.000 A hurricane, would they say?

02:36:59.000 Blizzard.

02:37:01.000 You know, I got caught on to the Alex Berenson stuff in his research.

02:37:08.000 And then I personally don't know anyone who died from COVID. But I know people telling me, family members, and I have so much respect for that.

02:37:19.000 I have empathy, sympathy, all the things.

02:37:22.000 I'm sensitive to that.

02:37:23.000 I'm not going to tell you that I know any better.

02:37:27.000 Sounds a little mean.

02:37:32.000 When I hear but, I'm always like, well, here comes the hard stuff.

02:37:35.000 But the thing that's confusing me now is this Christmas season, so many people I know are like, oh, I couldn't go home because we tested positive even though so-and-so is asymptomatic.

02:37:48.000 And we tested positive, but thank God we were only sick for two days.

02:37:54.000 I'm confused by there are not bodies piling up in the streets.

02:37:59.000 Not with this new one.

02:38:00.000 Well, we're really lucky.

02:38:01.000 This could be the end.

02:38:02.000 This could be the end of the pandemic.

02:38:04.000 I hope so.

02:38:05.000 I hope so.

02:38:07.000 It could be if it imparts real immunity to people that catch it.

02:38:12.000 Like that this immunity lasts for the next variant and the immunity that we used to have previously.

02:38:17.000 It's not 100% guaranteed with this variant.

02:38:20.000 Like people have been sick for COVID and Peter McCullough actually admitted this recently on Twitter.

02:38:25.000 He said that the variant that we used to have, like the Delta, if you had had the Alpha, you were immune to the Delta.

02:38:32.000 But if you've had previous infection to COVID, you may not necessarily be immune to Omicron.

02:38:40.000 So even if you're a person who survived COVID that before, like a month ago, they thought wasn't going to get COVID again, you might get this one.

02:38:47.000 But you just said Omicron, like one person is reported as...

02:38:51.000 Yeah, one, but they don't even think that that's how he died anymore.

02:38:54.000 They kind of abandoned that idea.

02:38:56.000 They think he was already going to die, but he tested positive when he died. 1.00

02:38:59.000 But he was fucked. 1.00

02:39:01.000 No offense intended. 0.99

02:39:03.000 Again, like, approaching sensitively to people that have had difficult times with this, I think the obsession with our...

02:39:12.000 Okay, UK says 14 deaths and 129 hospitalized by Omicron.

02:39:17.000 Well, clearly they're run by dictators and they're lying to the people.

02:39:21.000 Right?

02:39:22.000 But that's what I'm saying.

02:39:23.000 Kidding.

02:39:24.000 I don't know.

02:39:24.000 That sounds reasonable though.

02:39:26.000 I don't know.

02:39:26.000 How many people in the UK? I don't know.

02:39:28.000 All I do know is like, I think it was 2016, I had the worst flu of my life.

02:39:33.000 I don't remember a couple days. 0.97

02:39:35.000 I was so fucking sick. 0.97

02:39:37.000 Like I literally, I couldn't speak. 0.99

02:39:38.000 I missed out on shows and I don't remember like two whole days.

02:39:43.000 And that was 2016, and I had the flu.

02:39:45.000 But back then, you just got better.

02:39:49.000 And I wasn't right for a couple months.

02:39:51.000 A couple months, really?

02:39:53.000 I was getting my strength back up.

02:39:56.000 I was sleeping so hard.

02:39:57.000 I was so tired all the time.

02:39:58.000 And then I got better.

02:40:00.000 And I can only speak for my own life and my human experience.

02:40:05.000 And...

02:40:07.000 And like I said, I have so much respect for anyone who's had a really hard time with this specifically death of loved ones or their own illness.

02:40:17.000 I would like to have a conversation and understand.

02:40:22.000 What you've experienced, but I do believe that what's on the news is so manipulative in terms of fear-mongering and trying to get us to think something that may not be what it is. 0.86

02:40:36.000 And I want to be a part of the solution and positivity, but the way that things are being run is really fucking scary.

02:40:47.000 Well, it's really scary in that... 0.55

02:40:49.000 Because I don't know what's real.

02:40:50.000 We're monitoring, we're making money off of what's killing people.

02:40:55.000 Like, whatever the numbers are.

02:40:56.000 Like, if you talk about the numbers, if the numbers are exaggerated, it's more beneficial to the person that's reporting the story.

02:41:02.000 Because more people are going to read it.

02:41:03.000 If you say a thousand people died this week from COVID, way more people are going to read that than zero people died.

02:41:08.000 So instead of saying this new variant seems to be like a cold and if we take care of ourselves and if we look after our immune systems we can get through this and also potentially gain herd immunity.

02:41:22.000 Imagine if they just set that out there.

02:41:24.000 They put it out there like, we're going to give you guys a little emotional and anxiety treat.

02:41:32.000 We're going to tell you.

02:41:33.000 We might be okay.

02:41:34.000 Because this one variant that seems to be really prevalent and impossible to stop, like even that crazy lady on CNN, that Asian lady that's always talking about doom and gloom, she's the end of times lady. 0.99

02:41:46.000 You know that lady? 1.00

02:41:47.000 Yeah.

02:41:48.000 You know that lady? 1.00

02:41:48.000 She was like, she goes, cloth facial masks are no more than decorations. 1.00

02:41:54.000 Cloth masks are facial decorations.

02:41:57.000 She said it on CNN. You heard that?

02:41:59.000 Yeah, we played it the other day.

02:42:00.000 Doom and gloom!

02:42:02.000 She said cloth masks don't work. 1.00

02:42:04.000 She was trying to scare people into wearing like fucking hazmat suits. 1.00

02:42:08.000 But really what she made people realize like this whole year of wearing these masks, of course, if air is getting in, what else? 0.97

02:42:16.000 How much protection is it giving you?

02:42:18.000 But also you're ingesting your own- But is it giving you 10%?

02:42:20.000 What percent of protection is it giving you?

02:42:23.000 Is it even giving you 10%?

02:42:25.000 I don't think so.

02:42:26.000 It might be giving you something.

02:42:28.000 It might be giving you something.

02:42:29.000 But what's the number? 0.99

02:42:30.000 I want to fucking study. 0.98

02:42:33.000 Well, you know who to talk to? 0.99

02:42:34.000 All the people that want to see here.

02:42:36.000 The problem is all the people that I talk to say controversial things.

02:42:38.000 I'm just a musician.

02:42:38.000 I can only tell you that I keep getting denied access because you have to be vaccinated and show a negative test.

02:42:46.000 Like, all that stuff makes no sense to me.

02:42:54.000 Well, we're in the middle of all kinds of weirdness, Suzanne.

02:42:57.000 All kinds of weirdness.

02:42:58.000 We're all trying to figure this out.

02:43:00.000 But we have to have a commitment to, like...

02:43:07.000 Wanting friendship.

02:43:09.000 A commitment to wanting it to be worked out in a positive way.

02:43:13.000 I do.

02:43:13.000 And I know you do.

02:43:14.000 And I do too.

02:43:16.000 And Jamie does too.

02:43:17.000 I'm just a lover.

02:43:17.000 Jamie's a little sketchy.

02:43:18.000 Sometimes he gets antisocial.

02:43:19.000 He plays video games.

02:43:21.000 He's a golfer.

02:43:22.000 Jamie, I would really like to hang out with you soon.

02:43:26.000 We should play golf with Jamie.

02:43:27.000 We can watch the Browns break our hearts.

02:43:29.000 Play golf with him. 1.00

02:43:31.000 He's a fucking assassin. 1.00

02:43:32.000 Jamie's going to be on the tour. 1.00

02:43:34.000 I'm going to lose him to the tour.

02:43:35.000 It's going to be an issue.

02:43:37.000 Right?

02:43:37.000 It's possible, right?

02:43:39.000 Yeah, he's a sicko. 1.00

02:43:40.000 Look at him. 1.00

02:43:41.000 He's a sicko. 1.00

02:43:42.000 Looking for sponsors. 1.00

02:43:42.000 Golf is a real problem. 1.00

02:43:43.000 Looking for sponsors?

02:43:45.000 Golf's a problem for this show.

02:43:47.000 It's a sick game.

02:43:47.000 Makes people sick people.

02:43:48.000 Do you golf?

02:43:49.000 No.

02:43:49.000 I'm scared.

02:43:51.000 I would like it.

02:43:51.000 I'm sure I would love it.

02:43:53.000 I see Jamie and fucking Hinchcliffe. 0.99

02:43:55.000 Their eyes light up. 0.99

02:43:56.000 Ron White, his eyes light up when you talk about golf.

02:43:58.000 Fitzsimmons, his eyes light up.

02:44:00.000 They love golf. 1.00

02:44:01.000 Fuck that game. 1.00

02:44:02.000 Oh, weird. 1.00

02:44:03.000 Something everybody likes.

02:44:04.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:44:05.000 Is it meditative for you?

02:44:07.000 No, definitely not.

02:44:09.000 Are you competitive with it?

02:44:11.000 Yeah, with myself.

02:44:12.000 Super competitive.

02:44:13.000 How are you with Putnam?

02:44:14.000 Listen to me.

02:44:14.000 He has a computer set up in the back where he has a net that he drives into, and the computer tracks the speed of his ball and how far it's going to go, given the certain trajectory as it hits the net.

02:44:26.000 Okay.

02:44:27.000 Am I saying anything wrong?

02:44:28.000 It's a simulation of golf.

02:44:30.000 Look at him.

02:44:31.000 He's a robot over there. 1.00

02:44:32.000 He's like that guy that winds up killing that dude in that fucking alien movie. 0.99

02:44:36.000 Are we in the Matrix? 1.00

02:44:36.000 For sure. 1.00

02:44:37.000 For sure we're in the Matrix.

02:44:38.000 Jamie, are we in the Matrix?

02:44:39.000 Could be.

02:44:40.000 Why wouldn't?

02:44:40.000 I mean, sure.

02:44:42.000 Well, here's the problem with that. 0.97

02:44:43.000 You thought the movie was good, but Suzanne thought it sucked. 0.96

02:44:45.000 So, like, what are we doing here?

02:44:49.000 I don't like hearing people's opinions on movies I want to see before I've seen them.

02:44:55.000 Wait, you haven't seen it?

02:44:55.000 No, no, no.

02:44:56.000 I have.

02:44:56.000 Oh.

02:44:57.000 But it goes in... 0.93

02:44:58.000 I had already heard people saying it sucked before it came out. 1.00

02:45:01.000 It fucks with you. 1.00

02:45:01.000 You're like, wait, why do you think it sucks? 1.00

02:45:02.000 I didn't hear that. 0.91

02:45:03.000 Did you like it to begin with?

02:45:04.000 I went in a virgin.

02:45:05.000 I had no...

02:45:06.000 All right, so did you like the other Matrix movies?

02:45:08.000 I did.

02:45:09.000 I loved them.

02:45:10.000 How many times did you see them?

02:45:11.000 Which ones did you love?

02:45:11.000 I can't say I've seen the third one enough.

02:45:13.000 Alright, so did you play the Matrix video games?

02:45:16.000 Let me tell you something about the third one.

02:45:18.000 But you have.

02:45:18.000 If you saw the third one once, you saw it enough.

02:45:23.000 The first one's the movie.

02:45:24.000 The problem with the Matrix is they get incrementally less dynamic or something.

02:45:31.000 What is it?

02:45:32.000 What is it about the second one?

02:45:34.000 They're burdened down.

02:45:36.000 All of them are burdened down by the power of the first one.

02:45:41.000 So you have to follow all the narratives that were established in the first one.

02:45:45.000 Until a certain point where they...

02:45:48.000 But like anytime you make a sequel...

02:45:50.000 How's Avatar gonna stand up? 0.99

02:45:52.000 James Cameron's the baddest motherfucker who's ever done movies, son. 0.99

02:45:55.000 I know, but I mean... 0.99

02:45:56.000 He's got his own Rolex.

02:45:57.000 So if it does, like it's 10 years, you know, how long ago was that even?

02:46:00.000 That was a long time ago.

02:46:00.000 James Cameron has his own Rolex.

02:46:02.000 Martin Scorsese has his own Rolex.

02:46:05.000 James Cameron did Terminator 2, and that is way better than the first one.

02:46:08.000 Cameron did Terminator 2?

02:46:10.000 Yeah.

02:46:11.000 He's the baddest motherfucker that's ever done movies. 1.00

02:46:13.000 He knows how to make movies. 1.00

02:46:15.000 He knows how to make...

02:46:16.000 He took Alien, and he said, I got an idea.

02:46:19.000 How about they're easy to kill, but they're infinite?

02:46:22.000 They're everywhere. 0.99

02:46:23.000 Right, right, right.

02:46:23.000 He changed the movie.

02:46:24.000 The first movie, you can argue that the first movie was more terrifying, because I think it was, because we had never seen anything like that before.

02:46:32.000 1979, Sigourney Weaver.

02:46:34.000 It's one of the best movies in terms of inclusiveness.

02:46:38.000 She's wonderful, by the way.

02:46:39.000 The heroine, the female's the hero of an action, science fiction horror movie.

02:46:46.000 She's the hero.

02:46:47.000 She kills the monster. 0.75

02:46:48.000 It's the first of its kind, ever. 0.63

02:46:51.000 And it's so good, no one notices.

02:46:54.000 What do you mean?

02:46:55.000 No one notices that a woman was the hero.

02:46:58.000 False!

02:46:58.000 It's just so good.

02:46:59.000 No, no, no.

02:46:59.000 I'm not saying they don't notice it was Sigourney Weaver.

02:47:01.000 I'm saying it doesn't become a narrative. 0.97

02:47:03.000 The narrative is this movie is fucking awesome. 0.99

02:47:06.000 Sigourney Weaver is fucking awesome. 1.00

02:47:07.000 It's never a woman finally gets a role at the number one role in a monster movie where she kills and saves the earth from the evil fucking... 1.00

02:47:17.000 Right, the peripherals. 1.00

02:47:18.000 No one cares.

02:47:19.000 They just care.

02:47:19.000 Sigourney Weaver's awesome.

02:47:20.000 The movie's awesome.

02:47:21.000 Yeah.

02:47:22.000 And it was so goddamn terrifying.

02:47:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:25.000 And then James Cameron comes along and he says, okay, that first one was really hard to kill, but the ones that I'm putting in this movie are retarded. 1.00

02:47:33.000 And they're just gonna run right into your guns. 0.96

02:47:35.000 And they're everywhere.

02:47:36.000 And they're just shooting them down. 0.71

02:47:37.000 They're just gunning them down.

02:47:39.000 Is that Alien 2?

02:47:40.000 Yes, Aliens.

02:47:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:47:42.000 But it's a totally different kind of movie.

02:47:43.000 Right.

02:47:44.000 That's a ballsy move.

02:47:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:46.000 The aliens are easy to kill in that movie. 0.99

02:47:48.000 There's so many of them. 0.99

02:47:49.000 They're gunning them down.

02:47:51.000 I got to work with Sigourney Weaver once.

02:47:53.000 Back when I was an actor.

02:47:55.000 She's great.

02:47:57.000 Did you get a girl crush?

02:47:58.000 I did.

02:47:58.000 And, like, she wrote me a letter.

02:48:01.000 Like, I got it in the mail from her Cartier, you know, what do you call it?

02:48:08.000 Oh, my God.

02:48:09.000 I've had some buffalo trays.

02:48:11.000 Jamie's fancy.

02:48:12.000 She knows about Cartiers.

02:48:13.000 And she just wrote me a really nice letter about enjoying working with me.

02:48:19.000 Stationary.

02:48:19.000 I still have it.

02:48:20.000 Is that the word you're looking for?

02:48:21.000 Stationary?

02:48:22.000 Stationary.

02:48:23.000 Thank you.

02:48:23.000 I could not think of stationary.

02:48:25.000 Cartier!

02:48:25.000 I was like, what is she trying to say?

02:48:28.000 Thank you, Jamie.

02:48:30.000 Boy, am I embarrassing myself.

02:48:32.000 But she was amazing.

02:48:34.000 She was lovely.

02:48:35.000 Yeah, she's a beast. 1.00

02:48:37.000 That lady's been in some fucking ferocious movies. 1.00

02:48:39.000 Especially those alien movies. 0.99

02:48:40.000 She's a very present, nice person.

02:48:42.000 She wasn't acting like a big dog.

02:48:46.000 She was working.

02:48:47.000 And it was very cool.

02:48:48.000 That's very nice.

02:48:49.000 She was also an avatar, right?

02:48:50.000 I was going to say also an avatar.

02:48:51.000 Yeah, also an avatar.

02:48:52.000 Wait, is there a second?

02:48:53.000 Big time scientist.

02:48:54.000 Yeah, they're working on multiple avatars simultaneously.

02:48:58.000 Because I think they take so long to do that it's probably better to just keep the people there and keep them working.

02:49:03.000 Well, do you remember the first one?

02:49:05.000 How groundbreaking it was?

02:49:07.000 Did you see it in 3D? I did.

02:49:09.000 Me too!

02:49:10.000 You know, it's funny.

02:49:11.000 We were talking about 3D the other day, and I forgot about Avatar 3D, because that's one of the...

02:49:15.000 That's what it was, right?

02:49:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:49:17.000 It was better.

02:49:17.000 Well, that was the way to see it.

02:49:19.000 I mean, you could see it in the regular theater, but...

02:49:21.000 Theater.

02:49:22.000 I think that concept...

02:49:25.000 They sold 3D TVs because people were going to be watching Avatar at home.

02:49:28.000 You're right.

02:49:29.000 You can't watch this without it.

02:49:30.000 Yeah, I remember we went to Best Buy.

02:49:32.000 We were trying to get TVs for the studio.

02:49:35.000 We went to Best Buy looking at TVs and they had a 3D TV. I was like, oh, what is this?

02:49:40.000 And it was weird.

02:49:41.000 Did you get the glasses?

02:49:42.000 It's kind of 3D. Did you need glasses for those 3D TVs?

02:49:45.000 Yeah, of course.

02:49:45.000 It was kind of glasses?

02:49:47.000 Yeah.

02:49:47.000 You know what Samsung has now?

02:49:48.000 I was just at the Verizon store the other day.

02:49:50.000 The 3D cell phone?

02:49:51.000 Oh my God.

02:49:51.000 Don't.

02:49:51.000 They have this fucking thing where you put glasses on.

02:49:54.000 Are you serious? 1.00

02:49:55.000 Yeah, you put goggles, they're like glasses.

02:49:57.000 They look like a pair of Roka sunglasses.

02:49:59.000 You put glasses on and inside the glasses, it's like a screen.

02:50:04.000 You're watching like a giant movie screen.

02:50:07.000 So say if you want to watch Netflix, On a Samsung phone, you put these fucking glasses, like if you're on a plane, say if you're on a plane, you're flying back to Cleveland, you put a pair of these glasses on, you watch Netflix on your phone, like maybe a movie you downloaded already, 0.98

02:50:23.000 it's inside the fucking screen, like you are watching a giant movie screen. 0.99

02:50:29.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:50:29.000 It's high resolution. 1.00

02:50:30.000 It's beautiful.

02:50:31.000 Have you seen it?

02:50:32.000 Have you done it?

02:50:33.000 Yes!

02:50:33.000 I put it on at the Verizon store.

02:50:35.000 It's a lot like that.

02:50:36.000 Okay.

02:50:36.000 But it's real clear you're wearing something.

02:50:38.000 Like you can see down low.

02:50:39.000 I can't keep up, man.

02:50:40.000 It's just glasses.

02:50:42.000 Like it doesn't like cover your face totally like it's a vacuum seal.

02:50:45.000 So like you can see, like if you look down, you see your shirt.

02:50:48.000 But the thing is like when you're watching this screen, they had like a documentary, a nature documentary.

02:50:54.000 When you watch these animals moving around, you're like...

02:50:56.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:50:58.000 Because it's like 4K quality, but it's enormous, and it's on glasses. 0.99

02:51:04.000 And you're like, holy shit! 0.95

02:51:08.000 There's this part of me that's excited about that stuff. 0.99

02:51:11.000 I'm like, wow! 0.92

02:51:11.000 And there's this part of me that's fucking freaked out and scared. 0.92

02:51:14.000 You should be freaked out. 0.96

02:51:16.000 It freaked me out.

02:51:17.000 Because it really tampers with your...

02:51:21.000 That's it.

02:51:22.000 What that guy's wearing right there is it.

02:51:24.000 So what he's doing is he's wearing glasses.

02:51:26.000 They're just like standard sunglasses, like they kind of have in my truck.

02:51:29.000 But in those glasses, there's something that projects a screen that literally looks like a 100-inch perfect 4K screen.

02:51:39.000 The quality is spectacular.

02:51:42.000 So what you're seeing when you have those glasses on is amazing.

02:51:46.000 But this is one of those things that Apple doesn't have yet.

02:51:49.000 I don't think it works on an Apple, does it?

02:51:53.000 So these are for Samsung.

02:51:54.000 There's been a strong rumor Apple's releasing something this year for the phone.

02:51:58.000 That's how it always is, right?

02:51:59.000 Apple waits a little longer and they make one that won't crash.

02:52:01.000 They don't like to be the first.

02:52:02.000 You know what I'm interested in, though?

02:52:04.000 I'm interested in, like, yeah, that's cool.

02:52:06.000 That's amazing.

02:52:07.000 Oculus.

02:52:08.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 You're in this three-dimensional...

02:52:11.000 You're experiencing an alternate reality in a lot of ways.

02:52:16.000 But I like the things that stand the test of time, like Lethal Weapon, you know?

02:52:21.000 Where I'm still entertained and their effects or whatever they have going and their level of technology still has me grabbed, you know?

02:52:33.000 This stuff, you're just inundated with something new so...

02:52:37.000 Frequently.

02:52:38.000 Remember when the iPod came out before the iPhone?

02:52:43.000 With the wheel?

02:52:43.000 Yeah, with the wheel.

02:52:45.000 It was like the one thing, right?

02:52:48.000 But now there's like 12, 20. And I acknowledge it.

02:52:55.000 I respect it even.

02:52:57.000 But to my... 0.98

02:53:01.000 Human experience, it's a fucking lot. 0.97

02:53:04.000 It's a lot to every human experience. 0.97

02:53:06.000 There's some people that are really, really adept to technology, and that's great.

02:53:11.000 But I just want to take a walk in the woods and not get a Lyme disease tick.

02:53:16.000 Well, you know, Cat Williams had this line once.

02:53:19.000 Cat Williams had this line where he was talking about, well, they trick you that there's 24 hours in a day.

02:53:24.000 And he's like, there ain't 24 hours in a day.

02:53:26.000 He goes, it gets dark out, like 12 hours in.

02:53:29.000 And that's how they tricked you into giving up eight of your hours of the day to work in.

02:53:34.000 And it's really interesting.

02:53:36.000 When you think about it that way, you're like, oh.

02:53:38.000 So you think about technology or anything else, and you realize you only have so many hours of the day to think about things.

02:53:47.000 So if you're thinking about technology or you're thinking about whatever you're thinking about.

02:53:52.000 You're worried about asteroids, whatever it is.

02:53:56.000 Funny you should mention.

02:53:57.000 It takes away from the time you're thinking about other stuff.

02:54:00.000 It just does.

02:54:01.000 Yes. 0.99

02:54:02.000 It doesn't mean that you should just think about nothing other than what pleases you and allow the world to go to shit around you. 0.96

02:54:08.000 It doesn't mean that. 0.90

02:54:09.000 But it also means there's a balance to be had.

02:54:11.000 Correct. 1.00

02:54:12.000 And if you're spending too much time thinking about things that freak you out or anger you or frustrate you or you disagree with or people that are pieces of shit and fuck them. 1.00

02:54:20.000 Cunts. 1.00

02:54:21.000 Yeah, fucking cunts. 1.00

02:54:22.000 It's like that's... 1.00

02:54:24.000 I think?

02:54:47.000 Just let everybody like, okay, let's relax.

02:54:50.000 Let's all relax.

02:54:52.000 Yeah.

02:54:52.000 If we all, like legitimately, I know this would never happen, but if we all shared resources, if like we said, hey, there's only a certain amount of natural resources on the planet Earth, there's a certain amount of people, there's too many people living in poverty, we're going to distribute this stuff fairly evenly across the world.

02:55:08.000 We're not saying that you don't make more money if you work harder and you like establish a business, you figure something out and you innovate.

02:55:14.000 We're not saying that, but what we're saying is natural resources like oil and shit and all that stuff. 0.81

02:55:19.000 We're going to just distribute that evenly. 0.94

02:55:21.000 Can we agree to disagree that all our problems we have with religion and socioeconomic policies, all these different things, at the very least- Is it socialism?

02:55:30.000 We all have the earth. 1.00

02:55:31.000 No, the fucking earth. 1.00

02:55:32.000 No one should own the blood of the earth. 1.00

02:55:35.000 What's oil?

02:55:36.000 It's the blood of the earth.

02:55:37.000 They're sucking blood out of our mothership.

02:55:40.000 And we are like, listen, it all happens to be in Oklahoma, and you've got to poison the well to get it.

02:55:49.000 Whether it's fracking or anything else, that should be everybody's.

02:55:52.000 I was in Oklahoma once when there was an earthquake, and I was so confused.

02:55:57.000 I woke up, I remember being all excited because this was years ago, and I just watched Game of Thrones, a really disturbing episode.

02:56:05.000 Which one?

02:56:06.000 The Red Wedding? 0.88

02:56:06.000 It was the Red Wedding. 0.88

02:56:07.000 It was.

02:56:08.000 Straight up, it was the Red Wedding. 0.99

02:56:10.000 And I was all fucked up about it. 0.97

02:56:13.000 And then I woke up to a violent earthquake, and it was really scary. 0.94

02:56:17.000 I'd lived in California for almost 20 years, and I went downstairs and I asked the front desk, I was like, do you guys get a lot of earthquakes here or something?

02:56:28.000 And they were like, no, it's because of the fracking.

02:56:31.000 That's the thing.

02:56:32.000 Yeah, it was really scary.

02:56:33.000 Yeah, that's real.

02:56:33.000 That's real.

02:56:34.000 They're literally drilling holes.

02:56:36.000 Tampering.

02:56:37.000 Under the earth.

02:56:38.000 They've caused a shit ton of earthquakes with fracking.

02:56:43.000 I was in this historical hotel and they were like, yeah, things are getting weird.

02:56:47.000 But we're selling oil to Russia.

02:56:49.000 Everything's great.

02:56:50.000 I don't know if we're selling oil to Russia.

02:56:51.000 Who are we selling oil to?

02:56:52.000 We're selling oil to people, right? 0.98

02:56:56.000 I think we're going to really see some shit in this life that we, like, and we've seen a lot thus far, but I don't know, man. 0.98

02:57:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:57:07.000 Like, it's weird.

02:57:09.000 You know, you want to be informed, right?

02:57:12.000 You want to know.

02:57:12.000 Top five sources.

02:57:14.000 But then once you know, you can't unknow.

02:57:16.000 Import it from them.

02:57:17.000 Oh, we import from them? 0.73

02:57:19.000 That's what it says.

02:57:19.000 Oh, top five source countries of U.S. gross petroleum imports.

02:57:25.000 Interesting.

02:57:26.000 But I asked who we sell it to, in my question.

02:57:28.000 And it says we sell it to Mexico, Russia...

02:57:30.000 But that's not going to be on the internet, you guys.

02:57:31.000 Oh, they sell it to us?

02:57:32.000 That's why, I mean...

02:57:33.000 Don't you think that, like, this is not public knowledge?

02:57:37.000 Yeah, it has to be, almost.

02:57:38.000 And I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

02:57:40.000 I try not to be, but...

02:57:42.000 I think this country needs a president that gets to be president for, like, 50 years.

02:57:47.000 Oh my God.

02:57:48.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:57:49.000 I think after four years you're like barely getting your feet wet and they yank out of office and go, fuck you. 1.00

02:57:55.000 You hate immigrants. 1.00

02:57:57.000 And they shove some new person in and this new person doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. 1.00

02:58:01.000 It takes them like a year and a half before they figure it out.

02:58:02.000 I mean, how's that any different from what's happening now?

02:58:04.000 Right, it isn't any different, but the thing is, like, here's the thing.

02:58:08.000 It's not good if someone's corrupt.

02:58:10.000 It's not good if someone's a criminal.

02:58:12.000 It's not good if someone's violent.

02:58:13.000 We all agree to that.

02:58:14.000 But it's also not good if you don't know how to do the job, and it's the most important job in the world, and a new person comes in every four years.

02:58:23.000 I mean, both those things are terrible, right?

02:58:26.000 Well, it's corrupt at the ground level, because in order to run For Congress, it's up...

02:58:33.000 True story.

02:58:34.000 It's upward from like $30,000 to $50,000 a day to run.

02:58:39.000 Really?

02:58:40.000 So you can't be like...

02:58:41.000 $50,000 a day?

02:58:42.000 You can't be an over...

02:58:43.000 I mean, and no one's called that corruption.

02:58:45.000 No one has said, oh, like, well, you have to have a major machine behind you in order to run for Congress.

02:58:52.000 Has that...

02:58:53.000 That's always been the case, right?

02:58:54.000 But is that the case currently?

02:58:55.000 That is legal.

02:58:56.000 But what if someone had like a really strong social media presence?

02:58:59.000 Like, what if someone like...

02:59:00.000 That's never happened.

02:59:02.000 But what if that did happen?

02:59:03.000 What if someone, like, who was already a big social media person...

02:59:06.000 I prefer, like, an overqualified, you know, intellectual who has...

02:59:11.000 How about a suicide bomber? 0.83

02:59:12.000 Oh, my God.

02:59:13.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:59:16.000 No, no, I think of overqualified intellectual too, but the problem with overqualified intellectuals is oftentimes they've spent a large portion of their life in academia.

02:59:26.000 So they've gone from being in school to graduate school to eventually teaching to like they're a part of this system and Although that's amazing that they can do that, and in the best case scenario, it allows them to be professional intellectuals and to dissect ideas at the highest level in ways that people like you or I or many other people probably wouldn't have access to the right resources or sharp minds to put this into order.

02:59:57.000 And then when they do put it into order and they publish something, the rest of the world gets to examine it and see their brilliant thoughts.

03:00:04.000 They're professional academics. 0.99

03:00:05.000 Like, you're a professional singer and I'm a professional shit talker. 0.98

03:00:08.000 Like, there's some people that are really good at being professional... 0.99

03:00:12.000 You always do that.

03:00:13.000 You're like, bring yourself...

03:00:14.000 You're like, I'm a monkey. 1.00

03:00:16.000 I'm a moron. 1.00

03:00:16.000 They can't do it. 1.00

03:00:18.000 They can't do it.

03:00:19.000 Joe, you're very intelligent. 1.00

03:00:21.000 I'm dumb as fuck. 1.00

03:00:22.000 You gotta trust me. 1.00

03:00:22.000 No, you're not! 1.00

03:00:23.000 I have a really good memory.

03:00:24.000 That's the difference.

03:00:25.000 Trust me.

03:00:26.000 Listen, I'm friends with Elon. 1.00

03:00:28.000 I'm dumb as fuck. 1.00

03:00:29.000 Trust me. 1.00

03:00:30.000 Trust me.

03:00:32.000 It's like when people say they're a tough guy. 0.99

03:00:34.000 I'm like, bitch, I know Kamaru Usman. 0.99

03:00:36.000 You're not a tough guy. 1.00

03:00:38.000 Just shut the fuck up. 1.00

03:00:39.000 I know Cowboy Cerrone. 1.00

03:00:40.000 You're not a tough guy.

03:00:41.000 There's a lot of people who think they're tough guys.

03:00:43.000 I'm like, I know real tough guys, and they're terrifying.

03:00:46.000 I'm friends with Joe Schilling.

03:00:47.000 I'm friends with real terrifying human beings that make a living out of throwing their bones at other people, trying to knock them unconscious.

03:00:55.000 So there's levels to things.

03:00:57.000 If people say, am I a tough guy?

03:00:59.000 I'm like, compared to who?

03:01:01.000 Compared to who?

03:01:03.000 Compared to some fat guy who never works out? 1.00

03:01:05.000 Fuck that dude up. 1.00

03:01:05.000 But regular tough guys? 1.00

03:01:07.000 No.

03:01:08.000 No, you've got to know where you stand.

03:01:09.000 And that's the same place with...

03:01:11.000 Well, the definition of tough guy is fleeting.

03:01:13.000 But it is the same thing with intelligence.

03:01:16.000 Like when people say you're intelligent.

03:01:17.000 No, you just have access to a lot of data.

03:01:20.000 But the lot of data that I have access to, other people have introduced me to, right?

03:01:24.000 It's like I'm not figuring out data on my own.

03:01:27.000 There's some brilliant people out there.

03:01:29.000 Correct.

03:01:30.000 They're legitimately, shockingly smart.

03:01:33.000 Mm-hmm.

03:01:33.000 But you got to be like aware of where you are in this.

03:01:36.000 Sure. 0.98

03:01:37.000 When I'm in, I'm like a fucking net for like really smart people. 0.97

03:01:41.000 Get in here! 0.99

03:01:42.000 Tell me what you know.

03:01:43.000 I'm like I throw that Wonder Woman lasso on them.

03:01:46.000 Remember the lasso of truth?

03:01:47.000 I do.

03:01:48.000 That's the move.

03:01:48.000 I do.

03:01:49.000 Yeah.

03:01:50.000 But I'm not that smart.

03:01:51.000 I'm a regular smart. 0.90

03:01:52.000 Like, these people are, like, preposterously.

03:01:55.000 As your friend.

03:01:55.000 Because you're my friend.

03:01:56.000 I appreciate you very much.

03:01:58.000 But you've got to listen to me.

03:01:59.000 Girl! 0.97

03:01:59.000 I'm telling you the truth. 0.97

03:02:00.000 I'm not lying. 1.00

03:02:02.000 There's, like, levels to this shit. 0.99

03:02:05.000 I understand. 0.99

03:02:05.000 And it helps everybody if you know where you are. 0.99

03:02:08.000 And one of the worst things is when you're around someone who doesn't know where they are.

03:02:12.000 Right?

03:02:12.000 Like, they think they're way better than they are.

03:02:14.000 They think they're a way better singer or way better comic or way Way better a podcaster. 0.99

03:02:18.000 Why don't I get the fucking attention I deserve? 0.97

03:02:20.000 There's always a lot of people that have these thoughts in their head. 0.99

03:02:23.000 And some of them, they just are ready to pop, and the world doesn't know yet, and they're kind of frustrated, and then they break through, and then all of a sudden it becomes a thing.

03:02:33.000 Like, did you listen to the podcast I had with Jewel?

03:02:36.000 No, but I want to.

03:02:37.000 It's incredible.

03:02:38.000 Yeah, I remember that.

03:02:39.000 It's incredible.

03:02:40.000 She's amazing.

03:02:41.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

03:02:41.000 But her story is, she's homeless.

03:02:44.000 Yeah.

03:02:45.000 She's homeless at 18. Okay, she's singing in a fucking coffee shop. 1.00

03:02:49.000 She talks, the owner of the coffee shop is about to go under, and she says, listen, would it be okay if maybe I do this thing and I'll put out flyers and people come to hear me sing? 0.99

03:02:58.000 In Alaska?

03:02:59.000 No, this is in San Diego.

03:03:01.000 So she does this, becomes like one of the biggest music stars on planet Earth. 0.99

03:03:06.000 Isn't she from Alaska? 0.97

03:03:08.000 Yes, originally.

03:03:10.000 Homeless at 18, moves away from her parents at 15. It's a crazy story.

03:03:15.000 And she's one of those people, like yourself, that's gone through some shit. 0.99

03:03:19.000 And I don't want that for my kids. 0.99

03:03:21.000 Yeah.

03:03:22.000 But I love the way you turned out.

03:03:23.000 I love the way she turned out.

03:03:25.000 It's like I'm so torn.

03:03:26.000 It's like I don't want them to experience great pain.

03:03:30.000 But it seems to me, whether it's Joey Diaz or you or many of my friends, Eddie Bravo or Ari Shafir, all my friends that I love the most dearly, Duncan Trussell, they all came from some crazy, 0.97

03:03:46.000 fucked up childhood. 0.87

03:03:48.000 Where it produced this amazing eccentric person. 0.90

03:03:52.000 And they're so unique and special.

03:03:54.000 Because they made it up that fish ladder.

03:03:57.000 They passed the grizzly bear's snapping mouth.

03:04:00.000 Woo! 0.99

03:04:00.000 And they got it to the river and they swam uphill. 0.99

03:04:04.000 And they made it.

03:04:05.000 We're all just a bunch of salmon.

03:04:06.000 We are.

03:04:07.000 We are. 0.99

03:04:08.000 In some fucking weird way, we are all just a bunch of salmon. 0.99

03:04:14.000 You're not wrong. 0.99

03:04:15.000 I mean...

03:04:17.000 It's gonna sound super weird, but since I met you, I felt spiritually connected to you.

03:04:22.000 Yeah, we're friends forever.

03:04:23.000 You and I, whether we were brothers and sisters in a past life or something, there's something, whether that's bullshit or whether it's true, the moment I met you, and I feel the same way about Ben, the moment I met you guys,

03:04:38.000 I was like, I'm connected to you guys.

03:04:40.000 I don't know why.

03:04:41.000 This is immediately connected.

03:04:43.000 It's mutual.

03:04:44.000 It's like there's people in this life that you meet like that and there's people in this life where you have to earn their friendship and you have to earn the connection with them.

03:04:53.000 And that requires more than a few hangouts.

03:04:56.000 You have to hang out with them for months and months.

03:04:59.000 There's friends like that, where the first time I met them, we were kind of peripheral friends, and I had to crack through the ice, and then you get closer to each other, and you realize, oh, we're all very, very similar, but maybe this person has been famous longer and is a little more jaded to people,

03:05:15.000 annoying them and sucking up and stealing their time, which happens to some of these, especially rock stars.

03:05:22.000 Rock stars are the most inundated.

03:05:25.000 Everybody's coming at them.

03:05:26.000 Well, it's a real-time experience.

03:05:28.000 It's not like you had a show or a movie or something and then you get the ricochet after that.

03:05:33.000 It's like music is right there.

03:05:36.000 Right there.

03:05:37.000 Real-time.

03:05:37.000 Did you see the Stones when they were in town?

03:05:39.000 No, I didn't.

03:05:41.000 I was out of town.

03:05:42.000 I don't believe they're quitting.

03:05:44.000 I think that's nonsense. 1.00

03:05:45.000 I think Mick Jagger's going to ride that fucking bitch until the wheels fall off. 1.00

03:05:49.000 But I saw him down at the CODA, the Circuit of the Americas, which is amazing. 1.00

03:05:55.000 If you've never been to that place, it's so crazy.

03:05:58.000 The people that own it are like the nicest people in the world.

03:06:01.000 Wait, I feel like I saw your videos.

03:06:02.000 Yeah, I put some pictures up of it.

03:06:04.000 What was this?

03:06:05.000 This was, was it November, Jamie?

03:06:10.000 Right before Thanksgiving.

03:06:12.000 It was like a drug.

03:06:14.000 Watching the Rolling Stones on stage was like, I can't even imagine that's really Mick Jagger.

03:06:19.000 It was freaking me out.

03:06:21.000 He was right there. 0.99

03:06:22.000 And it was like 50,000 fucking people plus. 1.00

03:06:27.000 And that motherfucker can still do it. 1.00

03:06:30.000 When they sang Gimme Shelter, I was like, holy fuck! 1.00

03:06:34.000 I love that. 1.00

03:06:35.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

03:06:36.000 All your goosebumps have goosebumps, and your whole body's like, I can't believe I'm really here. 1.00

03:06:42.000 Yeah.

03:06:43.000 I mean, that's our life force, you know?

03:06:46.000 That's that real-time experience.

03:06:49.000 And I feel like that's what I've been talking about this whole time.

03:06:53.000 That's all I want. 0.99

03:06:57.000 You can't take any of this shit with you, right? 1.00

03:06:59.000 Right. 1.00

03:07:00.000 And while I'm here, and it feels like as the world gets crazier, my world gets smaller. 0.99

03:07:05.000 So my juice, my life force is the simplest shit. 0.91

03:07:12.000 And it's art, it's love, it's quality time. 0.98

03:07:17.000 And the minute I pick up my phone, I lose all that stuff.

03:07:23.000 Obviously, I need to figure out how to get here to your podcast location.

03:07:28.000 I need my direction.

03:07:29.000 But at the same time, where we're at in whatever barometer of our life is, your experience, and I think Jess was there with you, right?

03:07:41.000 You were there together at the Stones.

03:07:43.000 You had this thing that was like, I'm sure you could feel it in every cell of your body.

03:07:47.000 Yeah, Tony Hinchcliffe and his girlfriend were there, too.

03:07:49.000 Yeah.

03:07:50.000 It's one of those things where you see it where you feel like energy in the air.

03:07:55.000 Transformed!

03:07:55.000 But you can't write it down.

03:07:56.000 No!

03:07:56.000 Like, you can't say, oh, I had 184 picograms of, like, rock and roll energy injected into my veins.

03:08:02.000 And, you know, Gary does this thing during his shows, and I love him for this, and it's so special.

03:08:07.000 And I know a lot of, like, your shows, you lock up your phones before you get in so you could just be there.

03:08:11.000 Be there. 1.00

03:08:11.000 And also people don't fuck with your shit. 1.00

03:08:13.000 But, like... 1.00

03:08:15.000 Be there.

03:08:16.000 Be there.

03:08:16.000 That's it.

03:08:17.000 Yeah.

03:08:18.000 Exist in the moment.

03:08:19.000 Have a good time.

03:08:19.000 Just have some fun.

03:08:21.000 And I'm guilty of this too. 0.97

03:08:23.000 That minute you're like, this is fucking awesome. 0.85

03:08:25.000 And then you pick it up and you're like, but you're missing something. 0.84

03:08:31.000 You are, but you're also just trying to figure it out. 1.00

03:08:35.000 Everybody's trying to figure out what the fuck these goddamn phones are. 1.00

03:08:39.000 Because they're not just phones. 1.00

03:08:40.000 No.

03:08:41.000 They're portals to the rest of the world.

03:08:43.000 They sure are.

03:08:43.000 Yeah.

03:08:43.000 And you always want to check in.

03:08:46.000 Bill Burr was on Pat McAfee's show.

03:08:49.000 Have you seen that?

03:08:49.000 It was on my friend Crystal and Sager.

03:08:53.000 They have the show Breaking Points and they had a segment of Bill Burr talking about he doesn't pay attention to anything.

03:09:01.000 Good for him.

03:09:02.000 He doesn't listen to the news. 0.97

03:09:04.000 He's like, if you listen to Fox News or CNN, they're all fucking just trying to get you angry and I don't listen to any of it. 0.95

03:09:09.000 And he goes, and every now and then sometimes someone will say a joke and everybody laughs. 0.96

03:09:13.000 He goes, I don't even get the joke.

03:09:14.000 Because he's so not tuned in to the nonsense.

03:09:18.000 Is he happy?

03:09:22.000 You don't want him totally happy.

03:09:25.000 You want Bill Burr 25% annoyed.

03:09:28.000 You want him mostly happy, but 25% pissed off so that he could keep making great comedy.

03:09:33.000 I think I met him that one time when we were at the Wiltern, like a long time ago.

03:09:37.000 Yeah, yeah, he came backstage.

03:09:38.000 Yeah, that's the 2012 show.

03:09:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:09:41.000 No, he's a sweetheart.

03:09:42.000 Joe, that's 10 years ago.

03:09:43.000 Dude, I know.

03:09:45.000 That was December 21st, 2012. That was 11 years ago.

03:09:49.000 That was the end of the Mayan calendar.

03:09:51.000 There was a thing called the long count in the Mayan calendar.

03:09:56.000 Now, looking back...

03:09:58.000 They might have been right.

03:09:59.000 They just might have been off by a few years.

03:10:03.000 They thought that something was going to change, whether it was some sort of procession of the equinox changes or a change where the constellations are in the sky, whatever it was.

03:10:15.000 They thought something was changing in the calendar.

03:10:17.000 They had this very long calendar, and the end of the long count was December 21st, 2012. And when the world didn't end, everybody was like, oh, we're going to be fine.

03:10:27.000 But it might have.

03:10:29.000 It might have.

03:10:30.000 It might have started a process. 0.53

03:10:31.000 I think something ended in 2008, but...

03:10:33.000 It's not that long ago.

03:10:35.000 2012 is not that long ago.

03:10:36.000 No.

03:10:36.000 There it is.

03:10:38.000 Stan Hope, Honey Honey.

03:10:39.000 Joey Diaz, too.

03:10:40.000 Joey Diaz is there, too.

03:10:42.000 On the left-hand side is Joey Diaz.

03:10:44.000 Yeah.

03:10:45.000 That was fun, man.

03:10:46.000 The one on the right, Jamie?

03:10:47.000 I think that's the whole...

03:10:47.000 Oh, that's it?

03:10:48.000 Yeah.

03:10:51.000 Yeah, it was Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, you guys.

03:10:55.000 Eddie Bravo was backstage too.

03:10:57.000 Yep, Eddie Bravo was there.

03:10:58.000 And we were all like, when we booked it, I remember we booked it like a year in advance.

03:11:03.000 We were like, this is supposed to be the end of the world.

03:11:05.000 Let's do an end of the world show.

03:11:10.000 Thank you, man.

03:11:11.000 Thanks for bringing us along.

03:11:13.000 Oh, my pleasure.

03:11:14.000 It's been really fun.

03:11:15.000 I don't know what's coming, but it's so different now.

03:11:19.000 There's so much to process.

03:11:23.000 There is, but I feel like there's also this really unique time where we all can kind of join together and help each other.

03:11:33.000 Especially as artists, and I feel a giant responsibility to do that as a podcast host.

03:11:40.000 To have people on that I love, have people on that are funny or talented or whatever, and everybody knows.

03:11:45.000 This is what I like.

03:11:46.000 I like this.

03:11:47.000 Well, you know, Nick said to me once, he said, you know, you can have armies and things, but nothing kicks the door or wall down like art.

03:11:54.000 And it's true. 0.56

03:11:57.000 And he would know.

03:11:59.000 I mean, he's a mastermind.

03:12:00.000 And there's something happening to all of us.

03:12:04.000 And whether we are deep in it or we want to admit it, whatever it is, there's a reckoning happening.

03:12:16.000 And I'm not like a doomsday person.

03:12:19.000 I'm not dark.

03:12:20.000 I'm genuinely light by nature, but I can't deny this hovering feeling.

03:12:26.000 And I agree with you.

03:12:29.000 I think the art is important.

03:12:31.000 It's a saving grace, and it connects all of us.

03:12:34.000 And like I said earlier, maybe a couple hours ago, that when I came here to see you and Dave, I mean, it Yeah, you decided to move here.

03:12:44.000 But it changed me.

03:12:47.000 You grabbed my soul and reminded me of something that is very important.

03:12:54.000 We're supposed to be alive.

03:12:56.000 Exactly.

03:12:56.000 We're supposed to be having fun.

03:12:58.000 We're supposed to have an experience.

03:13:00.000 Yes.

03:13:01.000 And not deny it.

03:13:03.000 And I realize that's very complicated, but you woke me up.

03:13:09.000 It's very complicated.

03:13:11.000 It is very complicated.

03:13:12.000 But at the end of the day, we have to look at like so many factors, but then take into account like what is our end goal?

03:13:20.000 What's our end goal?

03:13:21.000 What's your end goal as a person?

03:13:23.000 Your end goal as a person should be have better times with the people around you.

03:13:26.000 Whether they like you more, you like them more, you have good friends you trust and love, and you want to see them succeed.

03:13:33.000 You want to see people inspire you.

03:13:35.000 You want to see new art that changes the way you think about a particular genre or a particular style or whatever it is.

03:13:43.000 All that stuff is exciting.

03:13:45.000 It makes you feel better.

03:13:47.000 You want to do more.

03:13:48.000 You want to feel more.

03:13:49.000 We've lost something.

03:13:50.000 We've lost our values.

03:13:52.000 We're at a surface level.

03:13:53.000 I don't think we've lost it.

03:13:55.000 Where everything's disposable.

03:13:55.000 We're just battling.

03:13:56.000 This is what's going on.

03:13:57.000 And this is what has to go on.

03:13:59.000 There's no meaning without some kind of struggle.

03:14:02.000 And there's some kind of struggle that's happening right now that's very unique.

03:14:07.000 Matrix.

03:14:07.000 Yeah.

03:14:08.000 Well, it's kind of...

03:14:09.000 People feel like we're just here to...

03:14:10.000 The human experience is you have to struggle.

03:14:14.000 But I don't agree with that.

03:14:15.000 But I also understand it.

03:14:17.000 But the thing is...

03:14:20.000 The warp speed that our brains are integrating is like we don't have the value of time and the depth. 0.91

03:14:30.000 We're at this point where our greatest joy is a TikTok video or some shit that didn't take much time. 0.94

03:14:36.000 It didn't take much effort. 0.92

03:14:37.000 It didn't take integrity.

03:14:39.000 And I mean that.

03:14:41.000 Sorry if that's going to piss you off.

03:14:43.000 But...

03:14:46.000 Learn something.

03:14:47.000 Learn a language.

03:14:48.000 What about all the songs that were written in five minutes, though?

03:14:50.000 People didn't try that hard.

03:14:51.000 I just stumbled across it.

03:14:54.000 Some of the best hits of all time have been written in five minutes.

03:14:57.000 Those songs that were written in five minutes were a byproduct of songs that were your efforts as a songwriter for the whole essence of your being.

03:15:06.000 I just meant it in the TikTok thing.

03:15:08.000 There's a guy...

03:15:10.000 I don't know enough about TikTok.

03:15:12.000 There's a guy on Lex Friedman's show.

03:15:15.000 I love Lex Friedman.

03:15:16.000 I love Lex Friedman too.

03:15:17.000 I had dinner with him and Eric Weinstein.

03:15:19.000 I love both of them.

03:15:20.000 He's great.

03:15:20.000 They're both great.

03:15:21.000 There's a guy named Peter Wang who is on Lex Friedman's podcast this week.

03:15:26.000 And there's some clips on Lex Clips.

03:15:29.000 And one of them I sent to Lex.

03:15:30.000 I said, this is brilliant.

03:15:31.000 And this is this guy, Peter Wang.

03:15:33.000 And he's saying, life without struggle is meaningless.

03:15:35.000 And he's basically essentially saying everything that David Goggins has said, that Cameron Haynes has said, that Laird Hamilton has said, that I've said, that a lot of people have said, like there's something about trying to achieve something that's intensely difficult gives you some sort of sense of purpose.

03:15:52.000 It's not necessarily all of life, but what it is is like a path to understand yourself so that you can more honestly assess what life is.

03:16:01.000 And I think people have a really hard time assessing what life is if the path they're on is either too easy or is filled with falsehoods. 0.96

03:16:09.000 If it's full of bullshit, that's one of the reasons why people in Hollywood are so spiritually starving. 0.99

03:16:16.000 Right. 1.00

03:16:16.000 Because the whole sport of being an actor is being a bullshit artist. 1.00

03:16:22.000 Right. 1.00

03:16:22.000 You literally have to be the best faker. 1.00

03:16:24.000 They all kind of, like, hitch their wagon to the, like...

03:16:27.000 Of course.

03:16:28.000 The thing of, like...

03:16:29.000 And I don't want to speak negatively on...

03:16:31.000 What culture?

03:16:31.000 Yeah.

03:16:32.000 Well, I was going to talk about ayahuasca.

03:16:34.000 Oh, that too.

03:16:35.000 There's your shortcut.

03:16:36.000 Like, you know...

03:16:36.000 Yeah, but that works.

03:16:37.000 And, like, P.S., I'm a big advocate of psychedelic healing.

03:16:42.000 But at the same time, I think...

03:16:45.000 We're all looking for something, whether you're in Hollywood or you're in, you know, Louisiana, South Louisiana, trying to get a job. 1.00

03:16:53.000 Like, we all are here, alive, trying to figure this fucking shit out. 1.00

03:16:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:17:00.000 That's the thing. 1.00

03:17:01.000 We're all trying to figure this fucking shit out. 1.00

03:17:04.000 All of us. 1.00

03:17:05.000 And we have to be charitable.

03:17:08.000 We've got to be nice to each other.

03:17:09.000 Agreed.

03:17:10.000 That's like what a lot of us are missing from today's chaotic discourse.

03:17:14.000 We're like cats on a hot tin roof. 0.99

03:17:18.000 Our fucking feet are hot and we're freaking out. 0.99

03:17:21.000 I really like the full circle of like, let's sort it out. 0.99

03:17:25.000 Why can't we just talk?

03:17:27.000 Why can't we just say, hey, I like you, I disagree with you, but I still really like you.

03:17:32.000 We can do that.

03:17:33.000 The problem is...

03:17:34.000 I would love that. 1.00

03:17:35.000 Face-to-face, person-to-person, we can do that, but then that person will check in on Twitter, and Twitter will let everybody know that you're a piece of shit and probably an anti-vaxxer, and everybody will go fucking angry. 1.00

03:17:44.000 Someone recently called me a white supremacist, and I was like, what? 1.00

03:17:48.000 I couldn't believe it.

03:17:50.000 That is a sign of, like, they just want to shut down all discourse.

03:17:55.000 Well, there's, like, a bad card to pull, and it's, you know, Like, let's just listen.

03:18:03.000 So the problem with that card is, if you pull it on people who aren't white supremacists, then they don't believe that there really are white supremacists.

03:18:10.000 And then when a real white supremacist comes along, it's a lot like Cryin' Wolf.

03:18:14.000 Like, all of a sudden, that's a real wolf. 1.00

03:18:16.000 You're like, fuck! 1.00

03:18:17.000 Nobody wants to listen to me now. 1.00

03:18:19.000 But now you're in front of a real KKK member that really thinks that they're the master race.

03:18:24.000 Versus, like, someone who thinks that a white girl should be allowed to wear hoops. 1.00

03:18:30.000 What are you saying, Joe?

03:18:33.000 People were giving girls a hard time for wearing hoops if they were white girls. 1.00

03:18:37.000 It's crazy. 0.96

03:18:38.000 But it's like, that's nonsense.

03:18:40.000 Do you eat pizza? 1.00

03:18:41.000 Then shut the fuck up. 1.00

03:18:42.000 Do you use a cell phone made in China? 1.00

03:18:44.000 Let's all shut the fuck up. 1.00

03:18:46.000 Come on, this is nonsense. 1.00

03:18:49.000 What we should be attacking is actual racism, not like something that's like fake racism.

03:18:55.000 Like there are people that really do not like people that are Uyghur Muslims, right?

03:19:00.000 That's real.

03:19:01.000 There's people who really do not like people who are Pakistani because they're from India.

03:19:05.000 There's people that really do think...

03:19:07.000 Oh, I know.

03:19:08.000 Yeah, there's like a lot of crazy, real separation between human beings that's completely unnecessary, that disregards the individual.

03:19:16.000 Correct. 0.99

03:19:16.000 And anybody that wants to lump people into these dumbass categories and then point at someone and say, you are a white supremacist. 0.99

03:19:25.000 What you're doing is ruining the term. 1.00

03:19:27.000 You're fucking up the term. 0.99

03:19:28.000 And it literally allows holes in the gates where real white supremacists can sneak through. 0.99

03:19:33.000 Because you've made it meaningless.

03:19:36.000 Correct. 0.96

03:19:37.000 You've fucked up the whole term. 1.00

03:19:40.000 Cunts! 1.00

03:19:41.000 Fucking cunts! 1.00

03:19:42.000 Right? 1.00

03:19:45.000 Yeah, it's pretty convoluted.

03:19:49.000 Um...

03:19:49.000 Man.

03:19:52.000 Should you play one more song and we'll wrap this bitch up? 1.00

03:19:54.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:19:55.000 Okay. 1.00

03:19:56.000 No, you don't have to.

03:19:56.000 No, I will.

03:19:57.000 You don't.

03:19:57.000 Just FYI. There's no need to.

03:20:00.000 What are we in, a half a bottle?

03:20:02.000 At least. 0.99

03:20:03.000 We're pretty fucked up. 1.00

03:20:04.000 You don't have to. 1.00

03:20:05.000 No, I won't.

03:20:08.000 Do you want to play something new or old?

03:20:11.000 Do you have a preference?

03:20:12.000 I don't.

03:20:13.000 I feel like I should request something, though. 0.99

03:20:16.000 Oh, shit. 0.98

03:20:17.000 Well, let me see if I can do it. 0.99

03:20:21.000 What could be requested from what albums could you do with one person, just you?

03:20:37.000 Okay, because I'm pretty drunk...

03:20:39.000 Yes.

03:20:41.000 I'm gonna play...

03:20:42.000 Can you do...

03:20:42.000 Let's get wrecked?

03:20:43.000 Oh, no.

03:20:44.000 God, God, no.

03:20:45.000 But, um...

03:20:46.000 I'll remember that for next time.

03:20:49.000 Like, that would be a...

03:20:50.000 That would be an egregious embarrassment.

03:20:53.000 Okay.

03:20:54.000 What would work?

03:20:56.000 Um...

03:20:58.000 I'll listen to anything.

03:20:59.000 Okay, I'm going to play a new one.

03:21:00.000 Okay, perfect.

03:21:01.000 Because I don't drink that much anymore. 0.96

03:21:04.000 I'm not fucking drunk. 0.95

03:21:04.000 And I love this. 0.95

03:21:05.000 So are you more tuned in to the new ones because you've been practicing them and performing them?

03:21:09.000 Yeah, I've been playing them.

03:21:10.000 Yeah.

03:21:11.000 I mean, I could play a Christmas song, but that's not gonna work because Christmas is over.

03:21:16.000 But for real, sometime in the future, you and Gary have to record Midnight Rider.

03:21:21.000 Okay, deal.

03:21:22.000 It's one of my favorite times ever seeing...

03:21:24.000 If you pay for it, we'll do it.

03:21:26.000 100%.

03:21:26.000 I will.

03:21:27.000 I will do it.

03:21:28.000 I've been thinking about doing something like that.

03:21:30.000 While we're having this podcast, and I'm a little bit drunk and a little bit high, but I've been thinking, why don't I have some sort of promotions group?

03:21:38.000 Like JRE Promotions.

03:21:40.000 Bring it.

03:21:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:21:41.000 Joe, it is time.

03:21:43.000 It's been time for years.

03:21:45.000 I'm thinking about doing something like that, like just openly doing it, but doing it completely like we're just like a charitable thing.

03:21:54.000 Like I'm not just promote everybody.

03:21:56.000 You are the renaissance of Texas and a lot of places.

03:22:01.000 And I think that I support that.

03:22:05.000 I think it can happen.

03:22:06.000 We should do it.

03:22:09.000 Okay.

03:22:10.000 Would you, if I was going to have a request, I would say, would you play What You Gonna Do Now?

03:22:16.000 Can you do that?

03:22:17.000 Sure.

03:22:18.000 Okay.

03:22:19.000 I'll try not to mess it up.

03:22:20.000 You're not going to mess it up.

03:22:22.000 Listen, even if you mess it up, it's real.

03:22:24.000 It's live.

03:22:25.000 It's an amazing song.

03:22:26.000 Which album is on?

03:22:28.000 I think this is on three.

03:22:42.000 Ooh, baby, that fire's coming down Right into your walls, right out of your mouth And everything you love just dash on the ground Ooh,

03:23:00.000 babe, so what you gonna do now?

03:23:05.000 So you run to the river, you run to the sea You sift through the rubble and search the debris But you won't find anything if you don't find peace Ooh,

03:23:23.000 babe, so what you gonna do now?

03:23:30.000 Don't wait till you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right.

03:23:42.000 So why are you still waiting outside?

03:23:58.000 Maybe your mama didn't treat you right. 1.00

03:24:04.000 Maybe you just didn't sleep last night You know I don't give a damn why you wanna fight Oh babe, so what you gonna do now? 0.99

03:24:22.000 Don't wait till you die This is for you.

03:25:06.000 So come out from the weeds and into my arms Oh babe, I know the dark and how it can harm you And I've had my conscience rip me apart too So here's what we're gonna do now Take all of your needs and all of your sins And all

03:25:36.000 of the losses you threw to win And we'll carry the weight if it breaks every limb And that's what we're gonna do now Don't wait until you die You always change your mind and make it right.

03:26:05.000 So why are you still waiting outside?

03:26:10.000 You're still waiting outside.

03:26:13.000 You're still waiting outside. 1.00

03:26:26.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

03:26:26.000 That's a half bottle of buffalo drinks for you. 1.00

03:26:28.000 That was amazing.

03:26:29.000 That was amazing. 0.99

03:26:31.000 God damn it, that was good. 0.99

03:26:34.000 Oh, that was beautiful. 0.99

03:26:35.000 That's very generous of you, Joe.

03:26:35.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

03:26:37.000 You just fucking nailed it. 0.99

03:26:39.000 You just punched a hole into the next dimension. 1.00

03:26:41.000 Oh boy.

03:26:42.000 You nailed it.

03:26:42.000 That's very nice of you.

03:26:43.000 Holy shit. 0.98

03:26:44.000 Thank you. 0.99

03:26:44.000 Come on, Jamie, right? 0.99

03:26:48.000 Jamie's a robot.

03:26:49.000 No.

03:26:50.000 Jamie's like, mm-hmm.

03:26:51.000 I have to play golf.

03:26:52.000 I never play drunk.

03:26:53.000 That's the truth.

03:26:53.000 That was awesome.

03:26:54.000 I never play drunk.

03:26:55.000 I'm still sober when I play.

03:26:56.000 That was awesome.

03:26:58.000 We're almost at 2022. Everybody's listening to this.

03:27:01.000 It'll be real close to that when this comes out. 1.00

03:27:03.000 By the time you finish it, it'll probably be 2022 because this bitch is long as fuck. 1.00

03:27:07.000 Yeah, it is. 1.00

03:27:08.000 It is. 0.97

03:27:08.000 Jamie, I appreciate the fuck out of you. 0.97

03:27:10.000 Thanks, Jamie. 0.91

03:27:10.000 You're the greatest of all time. 0.91

03:27:11.000 You're a champ.

03:27:12.000 He's the greatest.

03:27:13.000 There is no greater.

03:27:14.000 If it comes to podcast producers, that's the goat.

03:27:17.000 Oh, I know.

03:27:18.000 A true Capricorn.

03:27:18.000 Right?

03:27:19.000 Number one.

03:27:19.000 You got two goats in one room.

03:27:20.000 But he's the goat.

03:27:21.000 Two goats in one room. 0.57

03:27:22.000 That sounds dirty.

03:27:22.000 That's 100% the goat.

03:27:23.000 But it's true. 1.00

03:27:24.000 There's not a producer that can fuck with Jamie Vernon. 0.98

03:27:27.000 I appreciate you very much. 0.73

03:27:28.000 You're awesome.

03:27:29.000 That was amazing.

03:27:30.000 Likewise.

03:27:30.000 Love you, buddy.

03:27:31.000 I love you, too.

03:27:32.000 That was so good.

03:27:33.000 You're generous.

03:27:34.000 I needed to see that.

03:27:35.000 I needed to hear that.

03:27:36.000 Let me play for you when I'm in full form. 1.00

03:27:38.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:27:39.000 No, no, no. 1.00

03:27:39.000 That was as good as it could ever be. 1.00

03:27:41.000 Suzanne, I'm telling you. 1.00

03:27:42.000 You're going to watch that and you go, God damn. 1.00

03:27:44.000 I nailed that shit. 1.00

03:27:45.000 Probably not. 1.00

03:27:45.000 No, no. 1.00

03:27:46.000 Jamie, she nailed it, right?

03:27:47.000 That was great.

03:27:48.000 Suzanne, it was amazing.

03:27:50.000 It was amazing.

03:27:50.000 I've seen you perform, what, a hundred times?

03:27:52.000 Thanks, Joe.

03:27:53.000 That was on the money.

03:27:54.000 On the money.

03:27:55.000 All right.

03:27:55.000 Very sweet.

03:27:56.000 Love to everybody. 0.99

03:27:57.000 We're going to get through this, bitches. 1.00

03:27:59.000 Bye. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 28, 2021

Joe Rogan Experience #1754 - Suzanne Santo

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