The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1797 - Josh Barnett

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00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

00:00:12.000 And we're up, Joshua, talking.

00:00:14.000 What's happening?

00:00:15.000 What's happening is I've wandered into some sort of a strange portal that's transported me here to this wooden, galaxy-filled, I don't know, I mean, bunker, starship.

00:00:29.000 It's just a studio, but you brought with you War Master.

00:00:31.000 You're damn right I did.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, I love this stuff.

00:00:34.000 So you helped develop this with this company?

00:00:40.000 Yes, to a degree.

00:00:42.000 Did you give them taste parameters?

00:00:46.000 Yes.

00:00:46.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:47.000 Hey, cheers. 0.97

00:00:48.000 Good to see you.

00:00:53.000 I told myself I was going to take a while off of drinking after this weekend.

00:00:58.000 Guess not.

00:00:59.000 Today ain't the day.

00:01:01.000 Do you smoke cigars?

00:01:01.000 What's that?

00:01:02.000 Yes, I do.

00:01:03.000 Yes, I do.

00:01:08.000 Actually, part of the development of the whiskey prior to doing a single barrel product...

00:01:16.000 Was doing a lot of tasting with cigar clubs by our original head distiller.

00:01:22.000 So this, part of the creation of this was also what would be the best bourbon to go with a cigar.

00:01:28.000 Wow, this is perfect because it's got smoky, like a smoky essence to it.

00:01:33.000 How do they do that?

00:01:34.000 Do you know how they do that?

00:01:34.000 I saw a video.

00:01:35.000 Yes, well what we do is we take, well thank you, we take 75% of our 75% Corn mash bill, and we smoke it in a big shipping container on these racks.

00:02:00.000 And then, after three days, we then take all that smoked corn.

00:02:06.000 Take it back to the distillery and then we will mill it with the 25% roasted corn out of that 75% corn mash bill and then we mill it with also a 25% malted barley or malted rye and we mix it all together we get our mash going and Then starts the process of fermentation.

00:02:30.000 And the company Warbringer, had they been around for a while?

00:02:33.000 Did you know them and then you decided to do this with them?

00:02:37.000 I did not know of them.

00:02:38.000 They reached out to me.

00:02:39.000 And I was actually in the process of...

00:02:43.000 Of trying to work with a distillery to do whiskey.

00:02:47.000 Because, you know, I started to see a lot of this stuff popping up with celebrities slapping their name on these different things.

00:02:53.000 And I have been someone who's a connoisseur of whiskey for a long time.

00:02:56.000 And I wanted to do it, but I wanted to do it in a way that I felt was legit.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, it's hard because people come to you with whiskey that they've made, and they're like, hey, I want you to try this.

00:03:08.000 And you're like, yeah.

00:03:10.000 This is not good.

00:03:11.000 Well, there's plenty of that.

00:03:12.000 Whiskey has been an incredibly fast-growing market at this point, and the shelf space right now is getting pretty full up.

00:03:21.000 It's also hard to make.

00:03:23.000 It takes a long time to do it right.

00:03:26.000 It does. 1.00

00:03:26.000 Buffalo Trace ages their shit for eight years. 1.00

00:03:29.000 It's one of the reasons why it's so good. 0.99

00:03:31.000 Well, and the thing is, Buffalo Trace has a rickhouse full of thousands of barrels to choose from, to do whatever they want with.

00:03:38.000 When you're a startup, or let's just say a craft distillery like us, if we have 30 barrels sitting around, we're pretty happy.

00:03:48.000 You know?

00:03:49.000 Yeah.

00:03:50.000 It takes a lot to get this stuff going.

00:03:53.000 It takes a lot of little subtle things, which yeast you're using, you know, how long your fermentation cycle is.

00:03:59.000 And then as it all goes to that distillation run, the low wine run, the stripping run is important, but that's pretty much full tilt.

00:04:08.000 You're not really looking for anything in particular other than just watching what the level of alcohol you're getting out of it is and what that yield is.

00:04:14.000 But then on that second distillation run, where the real juice comes from, You've got to make your cuts at the right place.

00:04:21.000 You want to avoid getting a bunch of heads, and you don't want a bunch of tails.

00:04:24.000 But you don't want no tails, because some of those volatiles or higher esters will interact in the barrel in ways that come out really pleasant.

00:04:34.000 But as you initially taste it, it might put a little what you feel is like some slight taint to what you're doing.

00:04:41.000 It's all processed and the thing is you can't rush any of it.

00:04:45.000 Is whiskey like wine where you want to let it sit open for a while?

00:04:50.000 Does it change the flavor?

00:04:52.000 It does.

00:04:52.000 And in fact, I tell people I think?

00:05:13.000 And it opens up a little bit.

00:05:15.000 And as you're sitting there, it will generally tend to get creamier, a little more buttery, less smoke hit in the front.

00:05:23.000 It never loses all of its smoke, because this is really smoky stuff.

00:05:28.000 As it sits, as time gets to it and oxygen gets to it, it will change the nose and the palate.

00:05:34.000 The nose and the palate.

00:05:38.000 I'm sitting here, getting punched in the face all the time, talking about noses and palates. 0.94

00:05:42.000 Your nose is in remarkably good shape.

00:05:44.000 Well, I mean, considering it looks like Mulholland Drive.

00:05:46.000 It doesn't look that bad.

00:05:48.000 I mean, there's a lot of guys who have way more jack noses than you with such a long career fighting.

00:05:54.000 I will let them have that.

00:05:55.000 They can have that title.

00:05:57.000 You know, this nose is...

00:05:58.000 When the gal was swabbing me, I'm thinking, well, don't try to go up in this one because it's all broken up so bad you can hardly get a swab up that thing.

00:06:08.000 Are you ever going to get them fixed?

00:06:10.000 Yeah, I think at some point.

00:06:11.000 Dude, it changed my life.

00:06:13.000 I did it when I was 40. I had my deviated septum fixed and all I could think of was, God, why didn't I do this when I was younger?

00:06:20.000 It's so much better.

00:06:21.000 I know why I haven't.

00:06:22.000 And that's just simply because I figure I'm just going to bust it up again.

00:06:25.000 I'm sure.

00:06:25.000 And even though fighting really is winding down, it ain't completely over yet with me.

00:06:31.000 So I want to try and get every last drop of opportunity out of that and then walk away from it.

00:06:38.000 Because it's not the kind of thing where you're like, oh, you know, actually I feel like, no, you don't.

00:06:41.000 Too late.

00:06:42.000 It's gone.

00:06:42.000 It's over with.

00:06:43.000 How old are you now?

00:06:44.000 44. How many years do you think you've got of scrapping left?

00:06:49.000 I don't know.

00:06:50.000 Maybe two or three, but I ain't going to spend two or three probably.

00:06:54.000 It's so much different for heavyweights.

00:06:56.000 You know, heavyweights traditionally physically mature later.

00:07:00.000 It's like if you were a flyweight at 44. Yeah.

00:07:04.000 Yeah, the fact that you've probably slowed down quite a bit is going to make a huge difference to you, whereas a heavyweight, the last thing you're going to lose is power.

00:07:14.000 And lack of speed is not inherently going to cost you out there in the ring.

00:07:20.000 George Foreman, big example.

00:07:22.000 But even at heavyweight, there's not a ton of guys who are 40-plus that were able to...

00:07:30.000 Relaunch their career and go out there and win a world title George is really the only one if you really think about he's like the number one, but but even Holyfield is still competitive Although not now obviously that thing now when he did with a V tour was real weird Yes,

00:07:46.000 because first of all he took it on short notice, which is a terrible idea when you're almost 60 and Exactly.

00:07:51.000 You know, and I know Evander had been training and gearing up for a fight with Mike Tyson, and he, you know, he looked half decent on the mitts, but much better later than he did earlier.

00:08:01.000 And you see him early in the first few videos that he posted, it looked like he really hadn't worked out in a while, and it was really knocking the dust off and getting the old engine lubed up again, and Then as time went on, he started looking pretty good.

00:08:15.000 But then to take a fight, an actual fight, I think it was like two weeks notice, right?

00:08:21.000 That sounds about right.

00:08:23.000 Because Vitor was supposed to fight...

00:08:26.000 Who was he supposed to fight?

00:08:27.000 Roy Jones, was it?

00:08:28.000 That's right.

00:08:29.000 So here...

00:08:30.000 Was it Roy Jones?

00:08:31.000 No.

00:08:32.000 I feel like it wasn't Roy Jones.

00:08:34.000 It was like... 0.98

00:08:36.000 Vitor is still fucking fast, man. 0.99

00:08:38.000 He still hits hard. 0.98

00:08:39.000 And this is TRT Vitor.

00:08:41.000 Yes.

00:08:42.000 This is a...

00:08:43.000 Really, to me, this is basically youth versus age.

00:08:47.000 And it was such a disparity that even the...

00:08:53.000 Technical expertise and that boxing experience that is far and above Vitor.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 It didn't matter.

00:09:02.000 Vitor's always been a fairly decent boxer, though.

00:09:04.000 Yes, for sure.

00:09:04.000 For MMA, he's been an amazing boxer.

00:09:06.000 Yes, and this isn't to diminish Vitor, but, you know.

00:09:09.000 He's got to do everything.

00:09:10.000 You're Evander Holyfield.

00:09:11.000 You've been to the Olympics.

00:09:12.000 You've only boxed your entire career.

00:09:16.000 His knowledge of the sweet science is going to be at an extreme level.

00:09:21.000 Oh, that's right.

00:09:21.000 Oscar de la Hoya.

00:09:22.000 Oh, right.

00:09:23.000 He caught COVID. Yes, yes.

00:09:25.000 He didn't just catch COVID. He caught a case of bad acting.

00:09:29.000 That was nuts when he was in the hospital really quickly.

00:09:34.000 All of a sudden, one of the chances of me catching COVID. Maybe he just has a catheter fetish.

00:09:43.000 Is that what they do?

00:09:44.000 They give you a catheter as soon as you get in there?

00:09:45.000 I don't know.

00:09:45.000 Maybe he was hoping for it.

00:09:47.000 He's like, you know what?

00:09:48.000 COVID has made my urethra swell so that I can no longer urinate.

00:09:53.000 Can you please jam something up it?

00:09:54.000 I'm trying to think if I've ever had a catheter.

00:09:56.000 I think I must have since I've had a few surgeries.

00:10:00.000 I have never, other than a roll-on one for doing the Baja 1000. Oh, really?

00:10:06.000 Yeah, you just basically put on this little condom, and you take the line, you run it down the side of your leg, and you put it off to the back end and off to the side of your shoe, your boot.

00:10:16.000 So that way, when you're driving, a little crack in the floorboard, and if you pee, it just goes out the car.

00:10:22.000 Oh, wow, that's genius.

00:10:23.000 Because you ain't stopping.

00:10:24.000 Yeah.

00:10:25.000 No, that makes sense.

00:10:27.000 You ain't stopping.

00:10:27.000 Somebody should have told that to...

00:10:28.000 Well, remember that lady, the astronaut, who wore a diaper to go kill her boyfriend's wife? 0.99

00:10:34.000 Right, yes.

00:10:35.000 Remember that?

00:10:35.000 Yeah.

00:10:37.000 She drove, like, many states across state lines with, like, duct tape and pepper spray. 1.00

00:10:43.000 This bitch was motivated. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Oh. 1.00

00:10:45.000 It just shows you you can be an astronaut and still be a crazy fuck. 1.00

00:10:48.000 That's true. 1.00

00:10:49.000 Also... 1.00

00:10:50.000 Don't fuck with crazy women. 1.00

00:10:52.000 No, but that's the problem is that sometimes the most fun. 1.00

00:10:57.000 That's the problem.

00:10:58.000 No, it is a problem.

00:10:59.000 It's a huge problem.

00:11:00.000 You need to realize when you've got to stop.

00:11:02.000 Yeah, you've got to know what fun is not necessarily good for you.

00:11:06.000 Yeah, you know, it's not necessarily a bad idea if you bring someone home to take a really long, convoluted, complex route so they can't figure out how to get back.

00:11:14.000 You can't do that anymore.

00:11:15.000 Girls have phones. 1.00

00:11:16.000 They just drop a pin where your house is.

00:11:18.000 I get it, but most people are not that Machiavellian.

00:11:20.000 They don't think that way ahead.

00:11:22.000 Now, me, I would think that way, but...

00:11:26.000 You know?

00:11:26.000 Hey, and look, maybe if you find a girl that is that Machiavellian, maybe a merrier.

00:11:32.000 I don't know. 0.93

00:11:32.000 Well, the crazy ones are the ones that are going to drop the pin. 0.93

00:11:35.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 Generally.

00:11:37.000 Generally.

00:11:38.000 Yeah.

00:11:38.000 They're going to make sure they come back.

00:11:40.000 Well.

00:11:40.000 They're going to leave panties behind.

00:11:42.000 Oh, man. 0.54

00:11:42.000 No crazy people in my life anymore. 0.54

00:11:44.000 I mean, MMA and pro wrestling is crazy enough, but no, no. 0.99

00:11:48.000 I decided that it was probably better for my health and sanity to be with someone that's just plain awesome and calm and is not interested in dropping pins and doing crazy shit. 0.98

00:12:00.000 Your girlfriend seems very nice. 0.98

00:12:01.000 She is.

00:12:01.000 It's like you've got a perfect one.

00:12:03.000 Awesome.

00:12:03.000 I couldn't be happier.

00:12:05.000 That's nice to hear.

00:12:06.000 So how many times have you done the Baja?

00:12:09.000 Just once.

00:12:10.000 Bud Brutzman hits me up.

00:12:12.000 Oh, my buddy Bud.

00:12:13.000 I love Bud.

00:12:13.000 So Bud hits me up on short notice and he's just like, hey, what are you doing?

00:12:18.000 Actually, I was at 10th Planet in downtown working with Amir, I think it was.

00:12:26.000 Renovar?

00:12:26.000 No, Alam.

00:12:28.000 Oh, Amir Mom. 0.98

00:12:31.000 Because for a while there, all the bigger guys from Eddie's school were training a lot with me, and I was cornering them on a lot of the things they were doing.

00:12:38.000 So I'm sitting there, and I get this call from Bud, and he's like, what are you doing?

00:12:42.000 I'm like, I'm just training.

00:12:44.000 He's like, you want to do the Baja?

00:12:48.000 Yes.

00:12:49.000 By the way, I've never done any off-road racing.

00:12:51.000 Only like road racing and drag racing.

00:12:54.000 And so I'm like, but I know this is a completely different animal.

00:12:56.000 But yeah, sure.

00:12:57.000 Why not?

00:12:58.000 When?

00:12:58.000 Oh, Thursday.

00:12:59.000 It's Monday.

00:13:02.000 That's such a butt folk off. 1.00

00:13:03.000 Where do I gotta be? 0.99

00:13:04.000 And it turned into a fucking adventure and a half. 0.99

00:13:09.000 Explain the Baja for people that don't know what's involved, because it's a crazy race. 1.00

00:13:14.000 In the Baja Peninsula, there is the Baja 500 and 1000. And the 1000 being the granddaddy of them all, it's one of the most...

00:13:29.000 We're good to go.

00:13:42.000 And then the other aspect they have is it just goes in a meandering line all the way down to a thousand miles from where you started.

00:13:49.000 So for the time I did it, I was part of a team and I think I jumped in the car.

00:13:56.000 Second or third?

00:13:58.000 Me and Jesse Combs, rest in peace.

00:14:03.000 Ours went from Ensenada to, I believe, La Paz.

00:14:08.000 It's one off-road shot all the way down there.

00:14:12.000 And basically, you're off in the wilderness, in the wilds.

00:14:18.000 You can see the remnants of courses and things like that, but some of the stuff just gets made as it goes.

00:14:23.000 And there's also a lot of people that do what's called pre-running, so they'll go out there and they'll map out the track and all that, and they will mark all the hazards and they'll get used to it because, you know,

00:14:38.000 there's a lot on the line with the Baja 1000. And you have, if you've got the money especially, you'll have a trail team that'll travel down the highways and then can intersect with you at different points to do your driver changeovers.

00:14:48.000 Is it a thousand kilometers?

00:14:49.000 Like what is it?

00:14:50.000 I think it's a thousand miles.

00:14:51.000 It's a thousand miles.

00:14:52.000 Wow.

00:14:55.000 You get out there and you're in the middle of nothing. 1.00

00:14:59.000 And you could be, I remember we jump in the car at four o'clock in the morning, pitch black, lights are on, slap you on the helmet, put your shit on, bye. 0.99

00:15:11.000 And we're already going 50, 60 miles an hour in the middle of nowhere in brush. 0.98

00:15:15.000 And I'm looking at a GPS and looking up ahead.

00:15:17.000 There's no windshields in any of this stuff because that would just get dirty and then you would get blind.

00:15:21.000 So you wear your helmets and you sit on microfiber, Like mitts and things to just clear your face off as bushes, cacti, whatever, dust, dirt, silt is flying through that into the cabin and hitting you.

00:15:37.000 You've got electrolyte drinks that are in a little...

00:15:41.000 Like a camel setup that you can go and take a drink while you're in the car. 1.00

00:15:46.000 You've got your catheter set up to urinate.

00:15:49.000 And away you go.

00:15:51.000 And it's pitch black.

00:15:52.000 All you can see is what the lights are showing.

00:15:54.000 And I'm just going, well, you know what? 0.97

00:15:56.000 Tight butthole, I guess. 1.00

00:15:57.000 But there ain't no turning back now. 0.68

00:15:59.000 And we were in a Class 6 vehicle, which was...

00:16:05.000 It was like a dune buggy with a Subaru Boxster motor in it.

00:16:09.000 But the thing did top out at like 98 miles an hour on a back road, just going straight, just hauling ass, four gears.

00:16:18.000 And it's pretty hairy.

00:16:21.000 I mean, when the sun starts coming up, though, and you're going 30 miles an hour along the side of this rock ridge on this cliff with like a 40-foot drop off to your right, but you're seeing the sunset coming up, the sunrise over the Mexican...

00:16:34.000 And it is just insane.

00:16:37.000 But also, people like to do things like create hazards on purpose and then film them for YouTube.

00:16:44.000 So put a jump where one wasn't.

00:16:47.000 Put a hole where one wasn't.

00:16:48.000 Put a cactus right in the middle of the course, perhaps. 1.00

00:16:52.000 I mean, it's just crazy shit. 0.99

00:16:53.000 Yeah, that's what I kept hearing about. 1.00

00:16:55.000 And stuff like this happens.

00:16:56.000 I can tell you from experience, I rolled our vehicle over.

00:17:00.000 Not that bad, thankfully.

00:17:01.000 Someone came by, pulled us over, away we went.

00:17:04.000 Really?

00:17:05.000 Yeah, we just blew all the oil out that had spilled in through the exhaust and just ran it, smoke, boom, bye.

00:17:12.000 Wow.

00:17:13.000 Away we went.

00:17:13.000 They call those trophy trucks?

00:17:15.000 Now, the trophy trucks...

00:17:17.000 You hear them before you ever see them.

00:17:19.000 And those dudes are going 150 miles an hour. 0.99

00:17:24.000 I don't know how fast they get, but they're all like 10,000 RPM small blocks and shit just freaking flying. 0.81

00:17:31.000 And you can hear their engine, and then as they start coming up behind you, they start hitting these sirens and stuff to tell you to get the hell out of the way. 0.88

00:17:39.000 And if you don't, they will come up.

00:17:43.000 Run up right behind you and then bump you right out of the way.

00:17:46.000 Just shove you right off the road and keep going.

00:17:49.000 But you watch them hit these whoop-de-whoops and the suspension's just going...

00:17:53.000 We're doing this kind of thing.

00:17:56.000 We gotta go over them, let up, get on, let up, get on as we're going.

00:18:00.000 And the trophy trucks just run right over the top of them like they were nothing there.

00:18:05.000 Is that a trophy truck?

00:18:06.000 Yes.

00:18:08.000 B.J. Baldwin.

00:18:11.000 Another dude who loves shooting like we do, but is an insane trophy truck racer.

00:18:17.000 Yeah.

00:18:17.000 Yeah, he's badass.

00:18:19.000 Those trucks look insane. 0.74

00:18:20.000 They are absolutely nuts. 1.00

00:18:21.000 Those are stupid expensive, too, right? 1.00

00:18:23.000 And they're automatics, too. 1.00

00:18:24.000 Oh, wow.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

00:18:25.000 Wow.

00:18:26.000 So is yours a manual that you were driving?

00:18:28.000 Ours is a manual with a four-speed Volkswagen four in reverse.

00:18:33.000 Four in reverse?

00:18:34.000 Four in a reverse.

00:18:35.000 Oh, and a reverse.

00:18:36.000 I was like, why would you need four gears in reverse?

00:18:38.000 Although our reverse died on us at some point.

00:18:41.000 I don't know why, yeah.

00:18:42.000 It decided like...

00:18:43.000 Well, I'm sure the beating of just the pounding, they can't last.

00:18:51.000 No, and funny enough, the most durable vehicle that I've been told are the ones that make it through the most are Stock Bug.

00:19:01.000 Volkswagen?

00:19:02.000 Volkswagen Bug.

00:19:03.000 Really?

00:19:04.000 Yes.

00:19:04.000 So there's a limited amount of things you can do to it, but they just soldier on and get through it.

00:19:09.000 But I hear it is just brutal on the body.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I can only imagine.

00:19:15.000 Those are tiny, light vehicles.

00:19:17.000 They make it.

00:19:18.000 Maybe that's it, right?

00:19:19.000 It could be.

00:19:19.000 I think that by being lighter, you're obviously going to have less impact amongst travel because it's going to have less kinetic energy, less weight bearing down on things and releasing and bearing down on it again.

00:19:32.000 But to the life of me, maybe they're just really well made.

00:19:36.000 Bud does that every year.

00:19:37.000 Yes, he does. 1.00

00:19:38.000 He's so fucking nuts. 1.00

00:19:39.000 And his team won the class that we were in that year. 1.00

00:19:42.000 Him and Kyle...

00:19:45.000 Oh, what's Kyle's last name?

00:19:48.000 He used to run Detroit Speed an absolute...

00:19:53.000 You know, when you meet that person, you're like, wow, you are probably like the most pious person in the whole world.

00:19:58.000 That's Kyle.

00:19:58.000 Really?

00:19:59.000 He's just such a nice dude.

00:20:00.000 Just so cool.

00:20:01.000 And I met him through Bud, again, doing Optima Ultimate Streetcar Invitational when I competed over there at SEMA. Bud is a successful television producer with a beautiful wife and family and risks his fucking life every year for a goof. 0.99

00:20:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:20:21.000 I'm like, why are you doing that? 0.99

00:20:22.000 He is just driven to go out there and just compete.

00:20:27.000 The guy is just such a competitor at everything.

00:20:30.000 And he's such a...

00:20:31.000 A seriously intense person when it comes to competing.

00:20:35.000 And he still trains jujitsu and everything.

00:20:37.000 No, he does that with his whole life.

00:20:39.000 He's a strange guy.

00:20:41.000 He is, but in the best way.

00:20:45.000 No, I love him to death.

00:20:47.000 He's an absolute fantastic dude.

00:20:48.000 I sold him his house.

00:20:50.000 You did?

00:20:50.000 Yeah, that was my old house.

00:20:51.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:20:52.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:20:52.000 Yeah, well, I told him that he was looking for a house, and I said, hey, I'm moving out of this house. 0.99

00:20:58.000 Do you want to buy it?

00:20:58.000 And it was perfect, so we didn't have to go through anybody.

00:21:00.000 Well, you know I had to have plenty of car stuff for everything you might need.

00:21:04.000 Back then, man, I was kind of broke.

00:21:06.000 Well, I wasn't broke, but I didn't have a lot of cars.

00:21:09.000 I only had a couple cars back then.

00:21:11.000 You didn't have that sick, was it C2 Corvette?

00:21:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:16.000 No, I didn't have that.

00:21:17.000 Because I saw that one up at Home Dude's shop.

00:21:20.000 Yes.

00:21:20.000 In the valley.

00:21:21.000 Steve Stroop.

00:21:22.000 Steve Stroop.

00:21:23.000 Don't get him talking about Star Wars.

00:21:25.000 Oh, he's a massive Star Wars fan.

00:21:28.000 He'll be like, and then jibber jabber, I can't believe he was just left out of the cannon.

00:21:32.000 I'm like, okay.

00:21:34.000 He's like into it, man.

00:21:36.000 Deep.

00:21:36.000 Bud wears only black.

00:21:38.000 Only black. 0.99

00:21:39.000 You go over his house, you open up his closet, it's like a crazy person. 0.99

00:21:43.000 Like, where's your colors?

00:21:46.000 None.

00:21:46.000 You have no colors?

00:21:47.000 He's just serious.

00:21:48.000 Nothing but black. 0.99

00:21:49.000 Johnny Cash. 0.98

00:21:50.000 His cars are black, too.

00:21:51.000 Yeah.

00:21:52.000 He's got a beautiful 69 Mustang.

00:21:54.000 Have you seen that?

00:21:54.000 Yes, he does.

00:21:55.000 That one has a 4.6 dual overhead cam motor in it, too, I think.

00:22:00.000 It's a gorgeous car.

00:22:02.000 He's got a lot of good cars.

00:22:03.000 He was the producer of rides, that show where I had my Barracuda done.

00:22:07.000 Ah, right, right, right, right.

00:22:09.000 He also produced Overhauling.

00:22:11.000 I had my buddy on Overhauling.

00:22:13.000 I wrote out to him and I go, hey, my buddy's got the 67 Firebird.

00:22:19.000 And he's a comic artist, Dan Panosian, amazing dude, great guy.

00:22:24.000 And he would love to get this thing really, I mean, it drives and everything, but he would really love to get it all done up.

00:22:32.000 And so, of course, this whole elaborate scheme gets put together.

00:22:35.000 It's overhauling.

00:22:36.000 For people who don't know the show, they pretend to steal your car.

00:22:39.000 So someone will steal your car.

00:22:40.000 Say if Josh had a charger, they would steal his charger, and then they would do it all up, and then bring you somewhere under false pretenses, and then unveil your new car.

00:22:50.000 Well, in this case, they didn't do any of the stealing.

00:22:53.000 No thievery.

00:22:54.000 But the deception was...

00:22:56.000 Oh, hey, Dan, the UFC, the magazine, is going to do this photo shoot on me, and they would love it if I could bring, like, a muscle car or something, so could we use your Firebird?

00:23:07.000 He's like, yeah, that's awesome.

00:23:08.000 They're like, yeah, they'll give you, like, 500 bucks for the time and other things.

00:23:12.000 Sounds great.

00:23:13.000 Amazing.

00:23:14.000 And so I'm standing there with—it's me and Ariane, and at this moment— Bud or whoever is directing the photo shoot, he just goes, alright, and action!

00:23:25.000 And Ariane throws like a whole bucket of red paint all over the car, and then I swing a sledgehammer through the front windshield. 1.00

00:23:30.000 What?

00:23:31.000 In front of the dude?

00:23:32.000 In front of the dude.

00:23:33.000 Oh my god.

00:23:34.000 And the whole, obviously the idea was, oh, we're gonna get this great TV moment where this guy just like melts.

00:23:42.000 Right.

00:23:42.000 In one way or the other.

00:23:43.000 And instead, he just kind of goes, hmm.

00:23:47.000 And he kind of laughs and...

00:23:49.000 And so we bring him over, and Bud's saying, like, well, no, I mean, you got paid.

00:23:56.000 I mean, the contract's not going to take care of this or whatever.

00:23:58.000 But the whole time, we're trying to get this rise out of him, and he doesn't really budge.

00:24:04.000 And, okay, then we let him on.

00:24:07.000 It's overhauling and all this.

00:24:09.000 Did you tell him before they fixed the car?

00:24:11.000 Oh, yes.

00:24:12.000 Did he have to fake it when you unveiled it?

00:24:15.000 No, no.

00:24:16.000 He knew, but he didn't get to see anything we were doing.

00:24:18.000 So he knew we took his car.

00:24:19.000 He knew a bunch of stuff was going to be done to him, but he had no idea.

00:24:21.000 It was just like, your car is gone.

00:24:23.000 It's got a sledgehammer through the windshield and a bunch of red paint on it.

00:24:26.000 And bye, you'll see it when we're done. 0.99

00:24:28.000 And we're not telling you shit. 0.99

00:24:30.000 But at the time, he... 0.94

00:24:32.000 So Bud's just like, dude, why are you so cool about this?

00:24:35.000 And essentially, Dan's just like, well...

00:24:38.000 I really trust Josh, so I knew he would... 0.99

00:24:40.000 There's no way he would let my car just be fucked. 1.00

00:24:42.000 And I'm like, God damn it. 0.99

00:24:46.000 We needed to be... 1.00

00:24:48.000 Look at him, he's like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:24:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:52.000 Wow, what a beautiful car.

00:24:53.000 And I came, I worked on this a little bit with him.

00:24:56.000 I did some of the deconstruction.

00:24:57.000 I helped Lucky with a little bit of the electrical.

00:25:00.000 I worked with...

00:25:03.000 Andreas a little bit on some of the other touches and me and Chip sat down to do just the rough outlining and designing about what kind of a car in terms of purpose we wanted to build out of it.

00:25:16.000 And this dude had no idea?

00:25:17.000 No.

00:25:18.000 No clue.

00:25:19.000 And, you know, we're in there just working away, getting it done.

00:25:23.000 And Lingenfelter supplied this sick LS3 that makes like 600 horsepower.

00:25:30.000 Detroit Speed did a whole deal for the front and back suspension.

00:25:33.000 Center Force is helping us with the clutch.

00:25:35.000 And the car turned out to be incredible.

00:25:38.000 It's like one of the...

00:25:40.000 I think... 1.00

00:25:41.000 Until his son was born, and maybe even a little while after, his wallpaper on his phone was his fucking car. 0.99

00:25:48.000 So that's how much he loves it. 0.99

00:25:50.000 Does he still drive it?

00:25:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:25:52.000 And I make him take it out when I can, too.

00:25:54.000 We'll do stuff like...

00:25:56.000 There's this quarantine cruise thing that's still going on down in...

00:26:01.000 That got started during the quarantine, but it's still going on.

00:26:03.000 This cruising around Pacific Coast Highway and all that kind of stuff.

00:26:07.000 And so I brought my GT500 out, and I made him come out with his car, Mitra.

00:26:14.000 And, you see, here's the thing. 0.98

00:26:16.000 If you ain't driving the cars, what's the fucking point? 0.99

00:26:18.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:26:19.000 No.

00:26:20.000 I firmly believe that.

00:26:22.000 I don't understand people who have cars and it's just going to be in a garage forever.

00:26:26.000 No, there's no point.

00:26:28.000 A lot of people do that.

00:26:29.000 I know, and I understand if you want to build something museum quality, but then I'm like, well, then just put it in a museum. 0.98

00:26:35.000 What's the fucking point? 0.93

00:26:36.000 But in terms of what's the fucking point, at SEMA this year, there's always some trend that is... 0.99

00:26:45.000 Trash, in my opinion, that always seems like maybe it got started in an interesting way and then it just like runs the gamut of just every copycat version of it that's just like, oh God, we don't need any more of this. 0.97

00:26:57.000 This year, or last year I guess, it was turning your classic car electric. 1.00

00:27:04.000 And I'm like, fuck! 1.00

00:27:07.000 I have a problem with that. 1.00

00:27:08.000 I have a massive problem with that.

00:27:10.000 I'm just like, why would you take the soul and spirit out of a machine And replace and make it even more material, more mechanical, and less engaging.

00:27:24.000 And then it's so bad now that even with EVs for all kinds of aspects, there's people selling you, I don't know how they put it together, but it's a thing that makes car noises for you.

00:27:39.000 Oh, no.

00:27:41.000 No.

00:27:43.000 No, no, no.

00:27:44.000 Like a vroom vroom?

00:27:45.000 Yes.

00:27:46.000 Does it pretend to shift gears?

00:27:47.000 Because there's no gears.

00:27:48.000 I think a Porsche Taycan has two gears for whatever reason.

00:27:53.000 But a Tesla has zero.

00:27:54.000 It's like one gear.

00:27:56.000 So what do they do?

00:27:57.000 Does it just rumble when you hit the gas?

00:28:00.000 I guess.

00:28:01.000 No shifting?

00:28:03.000 Dude, I have no idea.

00:28:05.000 What do they do with their fake noises? 0.98

00:28:07.000 I guess they just add that to the rest of other fake shit that they're doing in their life and the way that they're doing things and, you know, hunky-dory. 0.93

00:28:15.000 BMW started doing that back in the day with their turbocharged engines. 0.96

00:28:20.000 They started pumping in fake exhaust note through your stereo.

00:28:27.000 Yeah.

00:28:27.000 And it was an option, I believe.

00:28:30.000 I believe you could shut it off.

00:28:33.000 But I had a couple of M3s back in the day. 1.00

00:28:36.000 I had the older ones, though, with the V8. Oh, yes.

00:28:40.000 It was really nice.

00:28:41.000 It was like a high-revving V8 engine.

00:28:44.000 Oh, it was great.

00:28:44.000 Great car.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, it was so good.

00:28:45.000 I got two of them in a row.

00:28:47.000 My lease went up, but I got another one because I loved it.

00:28:49.000 It was just a real high-revving...

00:28:51.000 It wasn't the fastest or the most handling, but it was...

00:28:54.000 Very engaging.

00:28:55.000 It's a car that has a driving experience to it.

00:28:58.000 It's quick.

00:28:59.000 It's fast revving.

00:29:01.000 But it's also easy to drive everywhere you want to go.

00:29:03.000 It was a great commuter car.

00:29:04.000 I loved it.

00:29:05.000 I loved taking it to the comedy store.

00:29:07.000 It's just a great shifting paddles, you know, which I generally don't like.

00:29:11.000 But when you're in LA traffic, that's one of the things I always admired about you.

00:29:15.000 In LA traffic, you still drove a stick shift.

00:29:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:18.000 No, I actually sold my SRT 8 Challenger and replaced it with a diesel GLK Mercedes SUV. And I was so proud when I put a trailer hitch on it.

00:29:30.000 I'm like, you know I've turned a fucking new leaf. 0.95

00:29:32.000 When I'm like, hey, look, it's a diesel and I've got a trailer hitch. 0.98

00:29:35.000 Yeah, that's a new leaf.

00:29:38.000 But at the same time, I'm still, like, with Victor Henry, who you just saw in UFC, we're building, he bought a 70 Cutlass S off of me, and we're building this thing up.

00:29:50.000 Phytek is giving us fuel injection to do on the whole car.

00:29:53.000 I've had a 455 with aluminum heads, roller cam that I had sitting around putting it, tunnel ram.

00:30:00.000 It'll be, like, 10, 10.2 to 1 compression.

00:30:04.000 It's gonna be, you know...

00:30:05.000 He talked about that.

00:30:06.000 We actually talked about that during the fight itself.

00:30:09.000 Ah, yeah.

00:30:10.000 Which, by the way, was fantastic, and I really wanted to talk about that, because Victor Henry was super impressive.

00:30:15.000 It's so rare that you see a guy enter the UFC, kind of unheralded, but with a good reputation, but not a lot of hype behind him, but perform that way against a guy like Howney Barcelos.

00:30:29.000 Yes.

00:30:29.000 Who's a top-of-the-line fighter.

00:30:32.000 Yes.

00:30:32.000 He is so good.

00:30:34.000 How many is so technical and so high level and Victor just put on a fucking clinic. 0.99

00:30:40.000 He put on a clinic. 0.99

00:30:42.000 It was amazing.

00:30:44.000 He's so good.

00:30:45.000 And it's like Victor said to the press afterwards where you know they usually ask a bunch of like just rote questions like well you know what did you think about being underestimated or whatever he goes look You guys are UFC people.

00:31:00.000 You know about UFC, you know about people in UFC, and you don't really know anything else.

00:31:04.000 And so, what you don't know about I'm not surprised that you're not acquainted, like that you wouldn't really understand how to put this on some sort of metric.

00:31:17.000 Right.

00:31:17.000 That is a very good point because I think at this point in time, that's silly.

00:31:23.000 It used to be you would look at the UFC and that was like the NFL. Those were the elite football players.

00:31:28.000 The UFC was the elite fighters.

00:31:29.000 But there are guys in other organizations now that are top of the line.

00:31:34.000 There's a bunch of them.

00:31:36.000 There's a bunch of them that are fighting for one FC. There's a bunch of them that are fighting for these other organizations.

00:31:41.000 You know, Kayla Harrison, who's over in the PFL. There's top of the line fighters. 1.00

00:31:46.000 There are killers all over the world.

00:31:48.000 And that was...

00:31:50.000 One of the things that I like to do with my athletes is I want them to see the world.

00:31:53.000 I want them to fight all over the place.

00:31:55.000 And so I was taking Victor to Russia, and he's over there beating guys.

00:31:59.000 He was undefeated in Ryzen.

00:32:01.000 He was the champion for Deep.

00:32:03.000 He had fought for the title in Pancras before early in his career.

00:32:06.000 And so he'd gotten to see all this different stuff and fight in all these different places, different rule sets.

00:32:12.000 And so when it came time for the UFC and during the pandemic, it's just, okay, can't get to Japan.

00:32:18.000 No one's getting visas.

00:32:19.000 Fighting in the States is really limited.

00:32:22.000 But the amazing George and Steve Bash, they helped Victor out, got him a title shot against Albert Morales.

00:32:35.000 And LXF, and so we were able to keep him busy, and it's like, hey guys.

00:32:39.000 And I'd been talking to the UFC, but I'd get the response like, well, Dana White's contender series.

00:32:45.000 I'm like, no.

00:32:46.000 This kid's 20-5, 21-5.

00:32:50.000 He's got two world titles.

00:32:52.000 I'm not doing it.

00:32:53.000 I'm not putting him in the contender series for a maybe.

00:32:56.000 This kid's legit.

00:32:58.000 And eventually, this opportunity with Houni came up, and we just said, yeah, we're good to go.

00:33:03.000 That's a good example because most people are not going to take that fight with Barcelos on such a short notice because he requires a lot of preparation.

00:33:10.000 This is true. 0.92

00:33:11.000 Crazy endurance, super skillful, but goddamn, I was impressed with Victor. 0.98

00:33:15.000 I was impressed with how composed he was and how technical. 0.99

00:33:19.000 He never wound up once.

00:33:21.000 Everything is coming from the chamber.

00:33:24.000 There's no telegraph.

00:33:25.000 He's constantly moving.

00:33:26.000 He's constantly fainting.

00:33:28.000 Lots of head movement. 1.00

00:33:29.000 Fuck, he was impressive. 0.99

00:33:31.000 It was us putting our game plan fully into implementation because Howney is such a tough guy, very physical athlete, great wrestling background as well, and a diehard heavy striker. 0.99

00:33:48.000 So our thing is, well, you know, all right, we're not going to wrestle with him.

00:33:52.000 Like, there's no point.

00:33:53.000 I don't feel that Victor couldn't or couldn't submit him potentially, but why put it in places where we feel like...

00:34:01.000 I'd be giving something up or putting it in a place that he wants to be.

00:34:05.000 But we also know he loves fighting on the feet more than anything else, for the most part.

00:34:10.000 And he really believes in his striking skills.

00:34:12.000 So you could get into a big fight with him about that, but now you're kind of...

00:34:18.000 Putting yourself in a position to kill or be killed, and why? 0.68

00:34:21.000 So the idea was, keep tearing apart at his body. 0.93

00:34:25.000 Keep him fighting on the back foot.

00:34:28.000 Don't let him fight moving forward.

00:34:31.000 And use constant fakes, feints.

00:34:35.000 Keep tagging the body over and over and over again.

00:34:37.000 Getting our chip shots in.

00:34:38.000 Hitting first and always hitting last.

00:34:40.000 And watching out for his right uppercut.

00:34:44.000 His right hand and how he loves to pull with his head movement and then throw a punch behind it.

00:34:50.000 So not getting too extended, letting that guy get his work off at times, but pulling with a half step, getting right out of range so that we're not behind or running into any of that stuff and continue to chip away at that body and take away his endurance and bank on our cardio and scoring and scoring and scoring and If the opportunity presents itself,

00:35:09.000 we had a few things up our sleeves for potential fight enders.

00:35:13.000 But also, we knew that if you keep pulling a guy apart, eventually, if they feel like they're losing in any way, they're going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

00:35:21.000 And the bigger they get, the more openings they're going to leave behind.

00:35:24.000 And there was a couple times it seemed like Vic had him rocked.

00:35:29.000 Maybe he could have taken him out, but Houni's so tough.

00:35:31.000 So we're not going to just...

00:35:34.000 And so Vic just kept pouring it on, pouring it on, pouring it on, pouring it on.

00:35:38.000 And, you know, in time, we just were able to pull Howney's tactics apart and leave him exposed to our opportunities.

00:35:49.000 But, you know, the guy never stopped fighting the whole fight.

00:35:51.000 You know, even in the third round, whenever he got a chance to get off, he was trying to take Vic's head off.

00:35:56.000 Which is why he's so dangerous.

00:35:57.000 It was very impressive in that he had that kind of endurance, given that it was such a short notice.

00:36:03.000 Did he have a fight lined up anywhere else, or was he just always in the gym?

00:36:08.000 No, but as soon as that fight in LXF was over with, I just said, hey, stay in the gym.

00:36:15.000 You're not going to crank it up to full peaking fight camp, but you need to stay in the gym and stay at a certain level of conditioning.

00:36:23.000 Keep a strong base.

00:36:24.000 Because I'm going to try and find something for you.

00:36:26.000 I'm going to be out there advocating to try and get you another fight. 0.53

00:36:29.000 And if it ain't in the UFC, then maybe it's going to be again for George and Bash in LXF. We're going to keep you busy.

00:36:36.000 We're going to make it so nobody can deny you at some point.

00:36:39.000 And he's in this place where, is he 34, 35?

00:36:43.000 I think he's 34, going to be 35. So at that age, especially in the lighter weight classes, as we were saying before, he's in a position where you've got to kind of get going now.

00:36:55.000 Exactly.

00:36:56.000 And I knew that he had...

00:37:00.000 A lot left in him, and potentially he was actually coming into his best era of himself right now.

00:37:06.000 And so I didn't want to let that go to waste.

00:37:08.000 Well, it certainly looked like in the fight.

00:37:09.000 There's no way you could fight like that against a guy like Barcelos. 0.99

00:37:12.000 At the end of the day, Sean Shelby sees us in the back, and he just had such a shit-eating grin. 0.99

00:37:16.000 He's like... 1.00

00:37:17.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:37:18.000 That is exactly what we want. 1.00

00:37:20.000 And I'm like, I told you, but I know everyone's always telling you, but he's the real deal.

00:37:26.000 And he's going to give you badass fights every single time.

00:37:30.000 This kid doesn't know what it's like to not have heart or will.

00:37:34.000 It just doesn't exist.

00:37:34.000 And he's skilled and mean, and he can get it done.

00:37:38.000 He's great.

00:37:39.000 And I was really actually massively...

00:37:43.000 I'm surprised in a pleasant way about what the UFC was doing for him.

00:37:49.000 In prep for this fight.

00:37:50.000 It's like, oh, you have this fight camp coming up?

00:37:51.000 Oh, we have meal plans.

00:37:52.000 We got this.

00:37:53.000 We will make sure you make weight.

00:37:54.000 We'll help you.

00:37:54.000 It's like, all right.

00:37:56.000 I love this.

00:37:58.000 Looking after this kid in this way where you're not going to get that any other place.

00:38:02.000 And not to diminish places like Ryzen or fighting in the places like RCC in Russia.

00:38:11.000 I mean, we've been taken care of greatly everywhere we've gone.

00:38:13.000 But...

00:38:16.000 Having the UFC go into their toolbox of things that they could put out there to benefit the fighters, I was stoked.

00:38:26.000 It was great.

00:38:26.000 They've done a lot of amazing stuff in that regard.

00:38:29.000 First of all, establishing the Performance Institute in Vegas.

00:38:32.000 Have you been?

00:38:33.000 It's amazing.

00:38:34.000 I was there with Travis Brown prior to his fight with Alexey Olenek.

00:38:41.000 And then when we were there to originally fight at the APEC Center, that was completely opened up to us and that was a great, great opportunity.

00:38:50.000 I've been in conversation with Forrest because I'm always interested to learn about why the PI itself does this versus that.

00:39:01.000 I was talking to the people there about their Normatec system.

00:39:04.000 Okay, well, what is your experiences with this?

00:39:06.000 How does this compare to, was it ECG or ECGC, which is another...

00:39:11.000 We should explain Normatec.

00:39:12.000 Normatec is, they're these awesome boots that you put on.

00:39:16.000 Well, they're like pants.

00:39:17.000 They've got ones for your arms, too.

00:39:19.000 And then, to me, it kind of reminded me of the ECGC, I think it's called, where there's a system around heart patients, Where they put cuffs around you and they hook you up to an EKG and then with your heart rate and your pulse rate,

00:39:35.000 it's supposed to move and squeeze in succession to create...

00:39:45.000 We're good to go.

00:39:49.000 We're good to go.

00:40:07.000 That's great for me as a trainer because then I can take that information back and then figure out how to use it with my athletes, find other complementary things to go with it, anything you can do to try and give that athlete that, not just that extra edge now, but something that can keep them in the battle even further along in their career,

00:40:25.000 which is, even though I'm a heavyweight and we can get away with having longer careers to a degree, I feel that the way I was trained from the beginning has a lot to do with me being able to stay in this game as long as I have.

00:40:39.000 Well, particularly conditioning, right?

00:40:42.000 Conditioning, yeah.

00:40:43.000 Tell everybody your background with catch wrestling.

00:40:47.000 You were very fortunate to be able to train with some real legends.

00:40:50.000 Yes.

00:40:50.000 So my initial training, I was a wrestler and I saw UFC 2. On a tape, sophomore year of high school.

00:41:02.000 I just looked at it and went, I don't know how the fuck you get into this, but I'm going to find a way somehow, and I'm going to do this. 0.95

00:41:08.000 It was just like, there's no questioning, there was no hemming and hawing, no if and ands, I'll do it. 0.94

00:41:15.000 Back in 1994, 5, 6, I mean, it's all just like, do it as you can.

00:41:21.000 Put it all together in any way that's possible.

00:41:23.000 I saw one of your first fights on VHS tape.

00:41:28.000 Babyface assassin. 0.99

00:41:29.000 Very much so.

00:41:30.000 Yeah, it was back in the day, man.

00:41:31.000 It was a long time ago.

00:41:33.000 And through then, I trained with Jim Harrison, rest in peace, one of the old school blood and guts, bare knuckle karate guys. 0.98

00:41:40.000 You know, the kind of guy where even Chuck Norris and all them are like, that's a dude you don't fuck with.

00:41:45.000 I mean, it was being at a celebration of life last year because he died during COVID and we couldn't really put together a proper goodbye. 0.81

00:41:56.000 And it was like me and Superfoot and Troy Dorsey and a bunch of different legends.

00:42:03.000 But then listening to guys that weren't martial artists even talking about it, but people from...

00:42:12.000 Oh, boy.

00:42:27.000 We're good to go.

00:42:41.000 Even I, who trained under him and knew him very well, just was sitting there.

00:42:45.000 I still had to sit back like, wow, what an individual.

00:42:48.000 Those guys in the early days of karate, too.

00:42:50.000 I mean, that was a wild time.

00:42:52.000 Very wild.

00:42:53.000 You know, in the 60s and the 70s when karate was being introduced.

00:42:57.000 It's a lot like MMA, right?

00:42:58.000 They're building it as they go.

00:43:00.000 Yep, very much so.

00:43:00.000 Building it as they go.

00:43:01.000 And when I tell people nowadays that...

00:43:05.000 At one point, we just, oh, we'd agree on rules as we got there.

00:43:09.000 Or, you know, this place would allow headbutts and bare knuckles and whatever. 1.00

00:43:13.000 And people are like, what the hell?

00:43:15.000 We were just fighting.

00:43:16.000 You know, we were trying to test it all out.

00:43:18.000 And the idea even of gloves was foreign to us because they didn't really exist.

00:43:24.000 Right?

00:43:24.000 We had to, if you wanted MMA gloves, at one point, you basically had to buy Harbinger wrist wrap bag gloves that were fingerless.

00:43:30.000 And then you would have to trim pieces off and build them.

00:43:35.000 That's what was available to you.

00:43:36.000 And then there was a boxigenics glove came out.

00:43:38.000 That was in the UFC. And then after that, different people started making gloves.

00:43:42.000 And then gloves kind of became a standard.

00:43:45.000 But at one point, it was like, yeah, they exist, but you ain't got to wear them.

00:43:49.000 Wasn't the first MMA glove really those things that Bruce Lee was wearing?

00:43:53.000 The Jeet Kune Do ones? 1.00

00:43:53.000 Yes. 1.00

00:43:54.000 Was that Enter the Dragon?

00:43:55.000 Enter the Dragon, right?

00:43:56.000 Where he does a whole scene with Samo Hung.

00:43:59.000 Yeah.

00:44:00.000 And takes him down and arm bars him.

00:44:02.000 Gets him in an arm bar, yeah.

00:44:03.000 That was during the days when he was working with Gene LaBelle.

00:44:05.000 Well, even prior to that, the guy who really got me into martial arts to begin with was Fred Sato, who was one of the founders of the Seattle Judo Dojo and one of the original four...

00:44:19.000 That is Bruce Lee, Fred Sato, Taki Kimura, and Jesse Glover.

00:44:25.000 That's the original four.

00:44:27.000 And I remember, you know, looking through little old books, picture books and stuff, of, you know, Fred Sato and Jesse and all them with Bruce, and they're just in someone's backyard.

00:44:40.000 I don't even remember whose backyard it was, when Bruce Lee is a little skinny kid going to Garfield High School in Seattle.

00:44:45.000 So, FYI, people, if you watch Dragon, the Bruce Lee story... 0.99

00:44:50.000 Mostly bullshit. 0.98

00:44:52.000 Revisionist history. 0.99

00:44:53.000 Like a lot of things these days.

00:44:55.000 No, he didn't go to UCLA, to my understanding.

00:44:58.000 No, he didn't meet Linda Lee in California.

00:45:01.000 They're all from Washington.

00:45:02.000 They made all that up?

00:45:03.000 It's all made up.

00:45:04.000 Why would they do that?

00:45:05.000 Because it's cooler to be from California than it is to be from Seattle, I guess.

00:45:09.000 But it's not.

00:45:09.000 It's a historical figure.

00:45:11.000 Leon is not...

00:45:12.000 There was no Leon.

00:45:13.000 It was Jesse Glover.

00:45:15.000 So Leon's a fake guy?

00:45:16.000 Fake guy.

00:45:17.000 He's supposed to be Jesse Glover, so to speak.

00:45:19.000 Why wouldn't they just have Jesse Glover?

00:45:21.000 I just don't understand why they do that.

00:45:23.000 It's like in the Mark Schultz film, when they had him fight a Russian guy at the end, when everybody knows he fought Big Daddy Goodrich.

00:45:31.000 It's a part of history.

00:45:32.000 I know.

00:45:32.000 You can go look it up.

00:45:34.000 It's the same with all the stuff about Bruce.

00:45:36.000 You could even, Taki Kimura put out a book, something, Memories of the Dragon, whatever.

00:45:41.000 It's got all the old pictures in it.

00:45:42.000 Jesse Glover's passed away.

00:45:44.000 Taki's passed away.

00:45:47.000 Fred, my sensei, passed away. 0.99

00:45:49.000 But, you know, I remember watching that movie and sitting there just being, just fuming about, like, why the fuck are they lying? 0.98

00:45:56.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:45:57.000 What's the point?

00:45:58.000 I mean, the guy's story is cool enough.

00:46:00.000 And yes, at some point he ends up in L.A. and everything.

00:46:03.000 And, you know, the contributions to the idea of approaching martial arts from his perspective...

00:46:11.000 Absolutely, or live on in all kinds of aspects, in all kinds of ways, through all kinds of people.

00:46:16.000 But, you know, I trained with Guru Dan before.

00:46:21.000 I've been around all these folks, and it's just like, I don't...

00:46:24.000 His story's cool enough.

00:46:25.000 Yeah.

00:46:26.000 Yeah, but that's something that Hollywood producers love to do. 0.99

00:46:29.000 They love to think they're smarter than the original story.

00:46:32.000 Instead of just taking the original story and putting it together in an entertaining way, in their eyes, you have to add some nonsense to it.

00:46:39.000 Otherwise, they don't feel like they got their fingerprints all over it.

00:46:41.000 Yeah, I could see that.

00:46:42.000 Like, a lot could be from just simply ego.

00:46:46.000 Like, I want to tell the story the way I want to tell it.

00:46:49.000 It doesn't matter what reality was.

00:46:50.000 They do that all the time.

00:46:51.000 Of course they do.

00:46:52.000 But then, what do they even make these days?

00:46:55.000 Anything that is not...

00:46:57.000 That is original?

00:46:58.000 Good luck finding that.

00:46:59.000 It's as if...

00:47:02.000 You know, it's just like, what?

00:47:05.000 Well, I'm sure they're making original movies.

00:47:06.000 I'm sure.

00:47:07.000 But the point is, it's like, why would you change the life story of a historical figure who's one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts?

00:47:18.000 I don't know.

00:47:20.000 There has to be some sort of reason, and it could be arbitrary on one end, and it could be deliberate on another.

00:47:27.000 At the end of the day, for me, it's just like a lot of things.

00:47:31.000 Go to the source.

00:47:33.000 It may not be the most popular widespread one, but it's out there.

00:47:37.000 It's just so annoying.

00:47:38.000 So how did you get into Catch?

00:47:40.000 I got into catch basically through Matt Hume, who was training, who had trained over in Japan with Funaki and Suzuki, and then got to train with Sayama.

00:47:49.000 And so he's training under these guys that all come from this Carl Gotch catch lineage, who also are from Antonia Inoki.

00:47:57.000 So back in the 70s, Inoki...

00:48:01.000 He split off from Japan Wrestling Association or something like that.

00:48:07.000 So him and Giant Baba, they make a split.

00:48:10.000 They both are trained under Ricky Dozan.

00:48:12.000 And Baba goes, he makes all Japan pro wrestling.

00:48:15.000 And Inoki goes, he makes New Japan pro wrestling.

00:48:18.000 And Inoki's approach is, we're going to make this the world's strongest martial art.

00:48:25.000 That's our goal.

00:48:27.000 This is when we present professional wrestling, it's going to be something called strong style, and it's going to be the king of sports.

00:48:33.000 It's going to stand at the zenith of all things.

00:48:35.000 And it's going to be incorporated with martial arts and fight skills and all these aspects of reality combat.

00:48:42.000 And he brings in Karl Gotch to come and run this gym.

00:48:46.000 And so all these guys are all getting trained by Karl Gotch, who is a catch wrestler originally from Hungary.

00:48:56.000 And he goes and trains.

00:48:59.000 He was an Olympian and Greco-Roman.

00:49:03.000 And he trained in professional wrestling when it was also a much more reality-based product.

00:49:10.000 But then he goes to the Snake Pit in Wigan, England and trains with Billy Riley.

00:49:15.000 Who is one of the godfathers of catch-as-catch-can wrestling, which the term itself comes from Wigan England.

00:49:23.000 Catch-as-catch-can.

00:49:24.000 Get him any way you can. 0.99

00:49:26.000 Where these old, these tough-as-shit miners get out from the mines at the end of the day.

00:49:32.000 They go and they have their pints and what have you, and then they go up on the hills and in the grass and they throw bets down and they just challenge each other and go after it.

00:49:40.000 And this, eventually, starts to become what we know as professional wrestling.

00:49:45.000 And at some point, professional wrestling is a 100% legitimate sport, but then it starts becoming worked over time.

00:49:52.000 How did it become worked?

00:49:53.000 Did it become worked because of carnivals?

00:49:55.000 The carnivals were a part of it because you could, like, let's say you got Tootsmont and...

00:50:02.000 I'm trying to remember the rest of them.

00:50:04.000 The Gold Dust Trio, they go around up and down the West Coast and they go and they put these shows together.

00:50:12.000 But one of the tricks that they would do is they could have someone who's a ringer, like a real nasty badass, who is...

00:50:24.000 We're good to go.

00:50:47.000 The Goldust Trio bets on them and takes all the money and away they go.

00:50:51.000 And so this is also where the terminology of marks comes in because the audience, everyone's a mark.

00:50:57.000 It's a con.

00:50:58.000 So that was the beginning of theatrical pro wrestling.

00:51:02.000 That was the beginning of conning stuff and setting up a potential predetermined.

00:51:07.000 But then it also got to the point where...

00:51:10.000 Really highly skilled, evenly matched guys could be out there for an hour and a half.

00:51:16.000 And it's just like, people don't want to watch this.

00:51:20.000 They want to watch more action-packed, action-oriented stuff.

00:51:24.000 And so then you start working the matches and putting more flourishes and things in it.

00:51:30.000 It becomes more popular, more interesting.

00:51:32.000 And then you start...

00:51:34.000 I mean, the basic premise of professional wrestling still exists, and that is you have a face and a heel.

00:51:40.000 So basically, you have a good guy and a bad guy, and the good guy is trying to overcome the bad guy.

00:51:47.000 And at some point, he will go through all kinds of torment and suffering and what have you, and then come out on the other side victorious and overcome the problem.

00:51:55.000 It's basically...

00:51:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:16.000 Is he really?

00:52:17.000 He's massive.

00:52:18.000 And he has this...

00:52:19.000 He's got this great series.

00:52:20.000 It hasn't been finished yet.

00:52:22.000 He's got two parts where, you know, it's got clips of him talking about kayfabe on here and work shoots and all this kind of stuff in terms of politics and culture.

00:52:31.000 Mostly politics, but...

00:52:35.000 So the idea of it on a metaphysical level, he would enjoy that conversation, I think.

00:52:41.000 And I got to connect with him.

00:52:42.000 I was just talking to him the other day.

00:52:43.000 He's like, are you in LA? I'm like, I'm actually heading to Austin to go hang out with folks and go do some stuff, but I'm coming back.

00:52:51.000 But, so, pro wrestling starts getting worked at some point, but then it starts getting even more and more exorbitant and outrageous, and you start getting guys like Gorgeous George, and you start, you know, people that are really playing to these big Yeah.

00:53:24.000 It was mainly confined to straight matches of grappling with submissions.

00:53:30.000 But, you know, you'd have incidents like Ad Santel.

00:53:34.000 He beats this world judo champion from the Kodokan.

00:53:37.000 And he goes, well, I'm the world champion of judo now. 1.00

00:53:40.000 And the Kodokan goes, what the fuck the hell you are? 1.00

00:53:44.000 Get him! 1.00

00:53:45.000 And so all these guys keep coming after Ad Santel.

00:53:48.000 They eventually have this giant showdown in Yasukuni Jinja, the shrine in Japan.

00:53:54.000 And he does, I don't remember, three matches over five days or something like that.

00:53:59.000 And he knocks one guy out in a jacket match.

00:54:02.000 So they made them both wear jackets.

00:54:03.000 Like kimonos?

00:54:04.000 Yes.

00:54:05.000 And he slams a guy and TKO's him, wins that match.

00:54:08.000 And essentially the catch guys beat the judo guys at that point.

00:54:12.000 But then it doesn't end.

00:54:13.000 And it keeps going.

00:54:14.000 The judo guys get some wins.

00:54:15.000 There's draws.

00:54:15.000 There's this.

00:54:16.000 And eventually Ad just goes...

00:54:18.000 That's enough.

00:54:18.000 Okay, I got it.

00:54:20.000 I can't keep this up.

00:54:22.000 I'm not the world judo champion anymore. 0.97

00:54:24.000 I'm shutting the fuck up about this. 0.97

00:54:27.000 Because they were not letting it go. 0.99

00:54:29.000 And of course, regardless of Ad Santel being able to come out on top, these were no slouches. 0.99

00:54:34.000 These were tough as shit dudes. 0.99

00:54:36.000 And in a more... 0.99

00:54:39.000 And a more...

00:54:40.000 Hey, look at that dude. 0.99

00:54:41.000 You can imagine that dude was probably strong as shit. 1.00

00:54:43.000 Jacked. 1.00

00:54:44.000 Yeah.

00:54:44.000 And this is pre-creatine.

00:54:46.000 Yeah.

00:54:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:47.000 Very much so.

00:54:47.000 This is all very much truly horse meat and bone marrow and all that good stuff.

00:54:52.000 And just hardcore working out.

00:54:54.000 Exactly.

00:54:54.000 One of the things about Carl Gotch in particular was he was legendary for his requirements of fitness.

00:55:01.000 It's true.

00:55:02.000 Did you get a chance to train personally?

00:55:04.000 I got to train a bit with Carl, although he didn't ask me to do all the requirements and all that.

00:55:10.000 And I met him through a magazine interview where Gong Kaktogi brought me over to meet with him in Tampa.

00:55:17.000 And I believe Jake Shannon helped set it up, in fact.

00:55:20.000 Because Jake and Carl were really close.

00:55:22.000 And then eventually Billy and Jake would become very close because I brought Billy to Jake because Billy left Japan and came back to America and was living in Arkansas with some of his family.

00:55:32.000 And I said, hey, can we do something with Billy here?

00:55:36.000 Like get him doing seminars, something.

00:55:38.000 Let's keep him active.

00:55:38.000 Let's put some money in his pocket.

00:55:40.000 Let's do something.

00:55:41.000 And Jake...

00:55:42.000 And structured this whole thing and got Billy out to the rest of the world.

00:55:45.000 And it was amazing.

00:55:46.000 And it was so incredible that Jake was able to do this for Billy and bring Billy to everyone and have some of this stuff taped, do these seminars and expose again what was old is now new.

00:56:01.000 What was Carl's conditioning routine that he required of students before they were able to learn?

00:56:07.000 That's a good question.

00:56:07.000 I don't know exactly what it was, but it was something like 1,000 squats and 500 Hindu push-ups and something, something.

00:56:15.000 It was a pretty rigorous thing.

00:56:17.000 And if you wouldn't...

00:56:18.000 If you couldn't complete it, he wasn't going to teach you.

00:56:21.000 But I think a lot of that was, well, number one, he believed that conditioning is your greatest hold.

00:56:25.000 That is a direct quote from Karl Gotch.

00:56:27.000 But also, it showed how serious you were.

00:56:30.000 A lot of people always say, oh, hey, Joe, you know, I want to be a comedian, too.

00:56:34.000 And you're like, no, you don't.

00:56:35.000 You're not really serious about it.

00:56:38.000 You see my success.

00:56:39.000 You see these things.

00:56:40.000 You think, well, I could have that.

00:56:41.000 It's like you have no idea how much, you know, it's the iceberg concept.

00:56:46.000 You know, you see this, but underneath it all was all this toiling and suffering and failing and all these different things to get to this point.

00:56:52.000 And you can look at someone like, you're not ready to fail.

00:56:54.000 You're not even ready to fail yet. 0.97

00:56:55.000 You're not ready to suck to get to being good. 0.95

00:56:58.000 And it's the same with someone like Carl. 0.98

00:57:01.000 You know, all these people will come around.

00:57:02.000 Oh, yeah, teach me.

00:57:03.000 I'll be the best in the world.

00:57:05.000 I'm going to be.

00:57:05.000 It's like, yeah, sure you are.

00:57:06.000 You know, show me some conditioning.

00:57:08.000 You're out of shape.

00:57:09.000 You can't do it. 1.00

00:57:11.000 You're garbage. 1.00

00:57:12.000 You don't take this as seriously as what it needs to be to actually be successful, let alone... 1.00

00:57:19.000 Be able to be on Joe Rogan level, or Carl Gotch level, or Antonio Noki, or what have you.

00:57:26.000 People, even back then, weren't necessarily in for that kind of ride, let alone these days.

00:57:33.000 Yeah, let alone these days.

00:57:35.000 Yes.

00:57:35.000 But to imagine somebody requiring that, like a Carl Gotch type guy today, before he takes on any students, what a small pool of talent you'd have to draw from.

00:57:44.000 This is true.

00:57:45.000 And while it's not something I put my athletes through, per se, You know, I don't take on new students either.

00:57:52.000 I just don't do it.

00:57:53.000 And people come at me all the time like, nah.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, people like to say that, like, you're not a coach unless you take someone from, like, white belt all the way to, like, world championship level.

00:58:01.000 I mean, there's something to be said about that, but there's...

00:58:03.000 Sort of.

00:58:04.000 There's a lot of different...

00:58:06.000 I mean, coaching isn't...

00:58:07.000 There's levels of coaching.

00:58:07.000 There is absolutely levels of coaching.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, there's elite coaching.

00:58:10.000 Yes.

00:58:10.000 You know, like, an elite fighter needs an elite coach, and you don't need to be working with someone who doesn't understand a jab.

00:58:17.000 Right.

00:58:17.000 Like, you don't have to.

00:58:18.000 Like, this idea, like, there's a sort of...

00:58:21.000 Hierarchy of coaching where people think that if you don't take someone from the ground up If you don't like really work with like bottom level athletes and bring them into top shape But I don't I don't I don't necessarily I mean there are people I've started from near ground zero and brought up I mean Victor when I got him he had five amateur fights but It's also something let's say like this There's guys that can teach you all these techniques and how to lift and blah,

00:58:49.000 blah, blah, right?

00:58:50.000 They're giving you all this structure.

00:58:53.000 But beyond teaching you how to throw punches and do this, there's also the concept of why.

00:58:59.000 Why?

00:59:00.000 And not just why for you, why for you versus this guy, why for you at this time, why for you based on what your body's doing.

00:59:07.000 I mean, there's all these different contextual and subjective elements that come into this whole thing.

00:59:11.000 And I was talking to, I had three athletes I worked with fight at LFA. Last weekend.

00:59:19.000 Me and Chad George are working with these athletes.

00:59:23.000 And so Lou Schwenke goes out there and knocks a dude out in the first round.

00:59:26.000 Chase Gibson has a great scrap back and forth with Javier Garcia, who's very tough.

00:59:31.000 He wins a unanimous decision.

00:59:32.000 And then Ozzy Diaz goes out and knocks his guy out in the first round.

00:59:36.000 And I'm talking to someone and I go, yeah, there's a lot of folks that can get a guy all pumped up and teach him how to throw a bunch of punches and do all this kind of stuff.

00:59:44.000 But Can they actually break down the opponents and all their tendencies, being able to see through that athlete and go like, okay, when things are at their best, here's what they're going to do.

00:59:57.000 When things are at their worst, here's what they're likely to do.

00:59:59.000 Here's their tendencies.

01:00:01.000 Here's the things that you can pretty much count on that they're always going to go to when things get tough.

01:00:06.000 When things are at their hardest, people are always going to go to what they're best at.

01:00:09.000 And then it's also to look at your athlete and go, okay, How do I need to structure this guy's fight, not just on the day, but in all the training leading up to it, so that he's able to mitigate the strengths of his opponent and emphasize his own strengths and keep away from his weaknesses.

01:00:30.000 And there's that aspect and then there's the mental aspect of how to get into that person's head and give them the right motivation or the right comfort or whatever is necessary at that moment to get them at their best.

01:00:44.000 Did you ever work with a sports psychologist?

01:00:46.000 No.

01:00:47.000 No?

01:00:47.000 Do you read any?

01:00:49.000 Yes.

01:00:49.000 I read some books.

01:00:50.000 Actually, one of them that was a real eye-opener was one on coaching women.

01:00:56.000 And there was all kinds of great little bits of knowledge that I got out of that, just for general coaching and for working with female athletes.

01:01:04.000 This thing was written by a female volleyball coach, and I wish I could remember the name of it.

01:01:08.000 It was an excellent book, though.

01:01:10.000 And then it was just, I think, just paying attention, reading, About things like psychology and philosophy and other things.

01:01:22.000 I mean, it's one thing to say to read philosophy, let's say, but reading Nietzsche for me is not just about philosophy.

01:01:30.000 It's about human behavior.

01:01:31.000 It's about psychology.

01:01:33.000 They call him like the first psychologist philosopher in a way.

01:01:38.000 And so just being open enough to let the world show you what it is and for people to show you who they are because...

01:01:46.000 You'll come...

01:01:47.000 Yes, everyone's an individual.

01:01:49.000 They all have their idiosyncrasies.

01:01:51.000 But in most ways...

01:01:53.000 We're more alike than we're different.

01:01:55.000 And we've been more alike in almost entirely the same ways since anyone has ever been able to write about what a human being is like, period.

01:02:03.000 If you read about ancient Greece, if you read in the Bible or the Quran or any, whatever, you can grab yourself a cuneiform tablet or you start reading hieroglyphs, you're not going to get a radically new, different story about what a human being is, how they think,

01:02:19.000 how they feel, what are their motivations and what it takes for flourishing.

01:02:23.000 It's never changed.

01:02:24.000 You know, you can say that we've evolved, but we're no really...

01:02:29.000 But on what level?

01:02:30.000 I mean, maybe we still have the remnants of a tailbone, but even in society and as it evolves, technology may more emphasize how we interact with the world and things and maybe the intensity at which we may express ourselves for good or for bad.

01:02:51.000 But it's not new.

01:02:53.000 Envy is still there.

01:02:54.000 Egos are still there. 1.00

01:02:55.000 Ego from the point of being healthy to the point of being unhealthy.

01:02:59.000 Same with envy.

01:03:00.000 Same with resentment. 1.00

01:03:02.000 All this stuff is all the same shit. 1.00

01:03:04.000 Go read Gilgamesh. 1.00

01:03:05.000 It's all the same shit. 1.00

01:03:06.000 We're not telling new stories. 1.00

01:03:08.000 We're telling the same story over and over and over again.

01:03:11.000 And I think that as a coach...

01:03:14.000 Beyond that, you know, deeper meaning of being in humanity, but at the same time, it's just allow yourself to be open to see things.

01:03:23.000 Let people tell you who they are.

01:03:25.000 And if you really are interested in trying to be about something, it's not always about charging headlong into it. 0.99

01:03:30.000 Sometimes it's about sitting back and just shutting the fuck up and listening. 0.90

01:03:35.000 Listening to someone who's telling you something or just Listening in a metaphorical sense, just allowing things to show you something. 0.98

01:03:43.000 Watch that footage over and over and over again and throw your preconceived notions aside and just let it happen and then see how much you start seeing that repeats itself.

01:03:55.000 Yeah, there's probably a great benefit in learning how to teach women because from my personal experience, women learn better in a sense that they don't have as much ego when it comes to martial arts and they also don't muscle things. 1.00

01:04:11.000 True.

01:04:13.000 I think that teaching all types of people is incredibly useful.

01:04:18.000 And I liked teaching women a lot, especially because they smelled better and took better care of themselves. 1.00

01:04:25.000 But you can't go out there generally and just start screaming at a girl like, why are you so stupid? 1.00

01:04:33.000 They're gonna take that in a whole different way. 1.00

01:04:35.000 Although I've had athletes that were females That needed more tough love than they needed more gentle guidance. 1.00

01:04:42.000 And to that, it just came down to the individual athlete themselves.

01:04:45.000 And I feel like you need to learn how to coach women and men, and then In and amongst that, you then need to know how to coach every single woman, every single man on an individual level.

01:04:56.000 Because they're not just women, they're not just men, they're individuals.

01:05:00.000 And you gotta get to know them.

01:05:01.000 Exactly.

01:05:02.000 And so that's another reason why I'm not necessarily very eager or...

01:05:09.000 Driven to just start pulling in new athletes because to me, I'm not just teaching you how to fight.

01:05:14.000 I'm going to take a mentorship role in your life.

01:05:16.000 I'm going to be managing your career. 0.98

01:05:18.000 I'm going to be helping you when you do something dumb in your relationship or something fucks up or you make some bad mistake. 0.96

01:05:25.000 I'm going to be there for that. 0.98

01:05:27.000 It's penny or a pound, penny and a pound.

01:05:30.000 No matter how small or how severe, I'm signing up to be a part of this.

01:05:35.000 Yeah.

01:05:35.000 And so I don't want to spend my time on someone that I don't think has the right kind of character.

01:05:40.000 I don't want to bother because it doesn't matter to me if they're going to go out there and win a bunch of titles and give me a bunch of money.

01:05:46.000 It ain't worth it because now I got to hitch my boat to this person.

01:05:50.000 And that says something about my honor and my word.

01:05:52.000 And I just don't want nothing to do with something like that if it doesn't reflect the person that I want to put out there in the world.

01:06:00.000 So what is the process?

01:06:01.000 Say if an athlete wanted to work with you, how would you even go about deciding whether or not you'd be interested in that?

01:06:08.000 Well, at least...

01:06:09.000 One of the things I would do at CSW is people come up to me, and Victor even was part of this process.

01:06:16.000 I mean, he was training with a good friend of mine, Jimmy Romero.

01:06:20.000 And Jimmy was at Legends when you guys were all there.

01:06:23.000 And at some point, Jimmy's like, man, I just can't keep doing this.

01:06:25.000 There's not enough money.

01:06:27.000 I'm going broke.

01:06:27.000 And I got stuff to do.

01:06:28.000 I have a kid on the way.

01:06:29.000 This ain't flying.

01:06:31.000 He loves martial arts.

01:06:32.000 And Jimmy was just...

01:06:33.000 Just coming by CMMA the other day and running pads for Chad and all that.

01:06:36.000 It was awesome to see him.

01:06:38.000 But I completely understood his position.

01:06:41.000 But what happened is, well, okay, there's no more team.

01:06:45.000 But he'd been bringing his guys down to CSW to come train and spar.

01:06:48.000 And this kid, Victor, was his protege.

01:06:51.000 And he's a super solid kid.

01:06:53.000 And I could see it.

01:06:54.000 And everybody around him that I knew all vouched for what a good kid this dude was.

01:06:58.000 And He's growing up in Southgate, which is like the Mexican Compton in L.A. So it's a rough-ass place. 1.00

01:07:05.000 And, you know, he's been shot before just sitting on the stoop playing with his friends. 0.89

01:07:09.000 And someone does drive by and stray bullet.

01:07:12.000 Bing! 0.98

01:07:12.000 You know, all this kind of stuff. 0.98

01:07:13.000 I mean, this kid's got a wildlife.

01:07:16.000 And I'm just like, all right.

01:07:20.000 I call him up.

01:07:21.000 I go, hey, I heard the team is disbanded and what have you.

01:07:25.000 Be here on Monday.

01:07:26.000 Well, I don't have any money.

01:07:28.000 Just be here on Monday.

01:07:29.000 He shows up.

01:07:31.000 I give him stuff to do.

01:07:32.000 Come check in on him.

01:07:34.000 He's been doing it.

01:07:35.000 All right.

01:07:36.000 Now I start taking a more personal approach.

01:07:39.000 Now I'm more right beside him as I'm doing things.

01:07:44.000 He gets it that, okay, if you're serious about it and I tell you something, and if you don't do it, that's your choice.

01:07:51.000 If it's not that important to you, you're not going to do it?

01:07:53.000 All right.

01:07:54.000 If it's not important to you, then it's not important for me to give it to you in the first place.

01:07:57.000 Not important for me to spend my time on you.

01:07:59.000 Vic then...

01:08:01.000 He says this to another athlete at the school who was brought in, who had come up to me before and goes, man, I see what you're doing with Victor and some of these other folks, and they're having a lot of success, and I really like the way that you're working with them.

01:08:13.000 Would it be possible if I could work under you?

01:08:16.000 And I just said, let me think about it.

01:08:18.000 And at some point, I think this guy, a fighter under me, AJ Bryant, another great kid, heavy hitter, and he's got a fight coming up in May.

01:08:30.000 He goes to Vic on the side.

01:08:32.000 He goes, hey man, what does that even mean?

01:08:33.000 I'll think about it.

01:08:34.000 I mean, what is this? 0.80

01:08:35.000 And Vic just turns to him and goes, look, if he just, you show up, you keep showing up, you train your ass off.

01:08:42.000 He's going to come over to you at some point and he's going to give you something to do.

01:08:45.000 He's going to tell you something, whether it needed to be done here or it needs to be done outside of the ring, outside of the gym.

01:08:50.000 But he's going to come to you and he's going to say something.

01:08:53.000 If you don't do it, if you're not, he's just going to be like, you're not serious and that's it. 1.00

01:08:58.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:09:00.000 And so, you know, eventually I come over and I'm like, alright, hey, do this. 1.00

01:09:04.000 I just leave.

01:09:06.000 Or, you know, I start feeding him little bits and I see, no, this kid is serious.

01:09:09.000 He really does want it.

01:09:11.000 And then...

01:09:13.000 I take AJ under my wing.

01:09:15.000 I start working with him all the time.

01:09:16.000 He's a part of the team.

01:09:18.000 We're all going.

01:09:19.000 We're all training.

01:09:20.000 Turn him pro.

01:09:21.000 After his last amateur MMA fight, I turn to him.

01:09:25.000 I go, alright, that's enough of that. 0.99

01:09:26.000 You've got enough experience for fucking free. 0.99

01:09:28.000 Fighting for free. 1.00

01:09:29.000 That's it.

01:09:29.000 You're going pro.

01:09:30.000 Let's move on.

01:09:31.000 And he's like, okay.

01:09:33.000 And boom, I have him fighting like five or six times in a year.

01:09:36.000 Like right off the bat.

01:09:37.000 And I was like, if you're serious, I'm going to get you placing him.

01:09:39.000 Took him to Russia.

01:09:40.000 I'm fighting all over the US. We're going to do it.

01:09:44.000 But anything I'm going to ask of my athletes is not going to be any less than anything I've ever done in terms of severity or intensity.

01:09:54.000 And oftentimes, it is less.

01:09:57.000 It's like you guys are going to get the benefit of all the shit I had to do and all the things that have created new structure for us as athletes now to take advantage of. 0.98

01:10:10.000 But that same underlying sentiment about being the meanest, toughest motherfucker out there, and whether you go down or your hand is raised at the end of the day, you keep your head high the same way. 0.97

01:10:23.000 And even with someone like Haoni, I met Haoni before that fight in Brazil when I was training with Pedro Hizzo and Master Roberto Letao, rest in peace. 0.97

01:10:36.000 And I remember Pedro going, hey man, this kid at my gym and this kid is dynamite.

01:10:40.000 He is such a badass.

01:10:41.000 And I met him and I'm watching him and I got to roll with him a little bit and get to see him.

01:10:45.000 And so I run into him again even before the fight.

01:10:47.000 And he's like, oh hey, hey master.

01:10:49.000 I'm like, oh, oh hey, hey, we met in Brazil.

01:10:52.000 He's like, yes, no, that was me. 1.00

01:10:53.000 And it's like, fuck, you know. 1.00

01:10:55.000 God. 1.00

01:10:55.000 Well... 1.00

01:10:57.000 At the end of the day, it sucks that one of you has to win and one of you is going to lose.

01:11:01.000 But, and you'll see this even at the end of the fight, the way Victor approached, it's like, it's nothing but love.

01:11:06.000 Me and Pedro, we couldn't be happier for our athletes.

01:11:10.000 And even though I know Howney lost the fight, If he had won, I'd still be happy for Haoni.

01:11:15.000 I'd still have a lot of love for him and be like, man, Pedro, that's amazing.

01:11:20.000 You guys are great.

01:11:21.000 And to have the opportunity to fight people that have that kind of respect and love of martial arts...

01:11:29.000 Alright, cool. 0.97

01:11:30.000 That brings up an interesting point, because one of the things that's happening today in MMA, and it seems it has a lot of elements of pro wrestling in it, is that there's a lot of shit talking for promotion. 0.82

01:11:44.000 And Chael Sonnen was probably the best at it at one point in time. 0.94

01:11:46.000 He was great.

01:11:47.000 And then Conor came along and Conor's amazing at it.

01:11:50.000 Now, you know, Colby is off the charts with it.

01:11:53.000 Maybe some people think he goes too far with it.

01:11:55.000 But that's like a lack of the martial arts respect.

01:12:00.000 That is just pure showmanship and salesmanship to try to get people excited about fights.

01:12:06.000 How do you feel about that kind of stuff?

01:12:08.000 It makes complete sense in the era we live in.

01:12:12.000 This is a world that is...

01:12:17.000 It is a degraded form of where it's come from.

01:12:22.000 We don't really create anything anymore.

01:12:26.000 We just make replicas.

01:12:28.000 We do repeats.

01:12:30.000 There aren't original things anymore.

01:12:32.000 It's just all simulacra.

01:12:35.000 It's as if the knowledge to create new things is gone.

01:12:39.000 It's lost.

01:12:42.000 It is a foreign idea anymore.

01:12:45.000 And with fighting, it's like, well, sure, we can become better athletes and we can do all this training and what have you.

01:12:54.000 But at the end of the day, we start treating it more as an entertainment sport.

01:12:59.000 And it is entertainment.

01:13:00.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:13:00.000 It really is.

01:13:01.000 But when all you have to offer...

01:13:06.000 Yeah.

01:13:21.000 This is their occupation and they want to get the higher contract, the higher spot on the card.

01:13:29.000 More eyes on them, more attention.

01:13:32.000 But the bigger perspective is that it works is the problem.

01:13:37.000 So when people are like, oh, you know, the Kardashians, they're the worst. 1.00

01:13:40.000 I hate all this reality TV shit and blah, it's terrible. 1.00

01:13:44.000 Okay. 1.00

01:13:46.000 But people are watching it.

01:13:47.000 So who's terrible?

01:13:49.000 The Kardashians or the audience?

01:13:52.000 Well, in that sense, neither.

01:13:55.000 Because what they're doing is they're providing you with, like, fast food TV. Like, you don't have to drive by and pull into the, you know, drive into McDonald's.

01:14:03.000 But what's better?

01:14:03.000 You can keep going.

01:14:04.000 But, I mean, isn't there a distinct difference between eating grass-fed...

01:14:10.000 Beef, LQ Shot.

01:14:12.000 Yeah, there is.

01:14:13.000 Versus fast food.

01:14:14.000 But don't you like the fact that if you feel like it, you can pull into a drive-through and get a Big Mac?

01:14:19.000 It's alright, but I know that...

01:14:21.000 I don't necessarily want one.

01:14:22.000 No.

01:14:23.000 But if I do want one, I like that I can get one.

01:14:25.000 I like that I can get one, but I also never lie to myself in that I'm not doing...

01:14:30.000 To try to sell you to my...

01:14:31.000 I'm doing something that's even neutral.

01:14:33.000 Because I'm not.

01:14:34.000 Right, right.

01:14:34.000 And that's, you know...

01:14:36.000 We're not doing anything neutral with this whiskey either.

01:14:39.000 Oh, this whiskey's beautiful stuff, man.

01:14:40.000 Are you kidding me?

01:14:41.000 It's beautiful stuff, but I understand that.

01:14:43.000 But I choose to engage in a vice as a vice and not try to treat it as a virtue.

01:14:48.000 There's probably some fatso out there with a cheeseburger right now just moaning in pleasure.

01:14:52.000 I'm sure he is an actually ecstatic, orgasmic... 0.80

01:14:57.000 Oh, this quarter pounder's so good.

01:14:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:58.000 It's like double quarter pounder with cheese, just all those trans fats.

01:15:02.000 In moderation?

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:03.000 In moderation?

01:15:03.000 I get it, but it's the...

01:15:06.000 Approaching it as...

01:15:07.000 It's the approach. 0.97

01:15:09.000 I love the shit out of whiskey, which has a long history and lineage to how you make it. 0.90

01:15:16.000 You can go into all the different types of stills, the different types of yeast. 0.98

01:15:20.000 If it's Scotland, it's almost entirely barley.

01:15:23.000 Whether it be malted or not, then you've got Irish. 1.00

01:15:27.000 All this different stuff.

01:15:30.000 That's the difference between, say...

01:15:32.000 I don't know.

01:15:34.000 Like...

01:15:35.000 Just distilling whatever, throwing a bunch of sugar in it because it tastes horrible and you're trying to cut all those heads down.

01:15:43.000 So make it palatable and then slugging it down.

01:15:46.000 No, I get it.

01:15:46.000 After you've added caramel coloring into it and everything.

01:15:49.000 But to bring it back to MMA, this trend, does it bother you at all when you see like right now we're dealing, this is very recent into the Colby Covington-Jorge Masvidal fight just happened and then Jorge Masvidal just sucker punched Colby at a restaurant somewhere.

01:16:05.000 Yeah, the sucker punching is, I'm not down for that at all.

01:16:09.000 Even if there is some sort of an issue that Masvidal has about, say, you talked about my kids, that was like the one thing or whatever.

01:16:19.000 I'm fine with that.

01:16:21.000 Totally fine with that.

01:16:22.000 To me, that's honor culture things.

01:16:25.000 You should understand that there should be a line that you shouldn't cross in terms of aspects of civility.

01:16:32.000 Otherwise, expect nothing but hostility.

01:16:34.000 And that is a choice.

01:16:36.000 That's why we had all of these...

01:16:39.000 Concepts of manners and courtesies was because violence is at the bottom of every word you speak.

01:16:45.000 Violence is at the bottom of every exchange.

01:16:48.000 Literally, politics is war by other means.

01:16:53.000 So Louis XIV had all of his canons inscribed in Latin, the last word of kings, the last argument of kings.

01:17:00.000 Because when it comes down to it, violence is the golden rule.

01:17:05.000 It is the thing that is at the absolute bedrock of human interaction.

01:17:09.000 It enforces laws.

01:17:10.000 It absolutely does.

01:17:11.000 It enforces laws.

01:17:13.000 It's about sovereignty, too.

01:17:19.000 Someone once tried to argue because I said, well, rights are an abstract concept.

01:17:26.000 I understand the concept of Lockean property rights and all these things, and it's wonderful, but rights are what you can defend at the end of the day.

01:17:37.000 You know, if you're like, well, I deserve to have this right and that right, it's like, well, who provides them for you?

01:17:41.000 How do you keep them?

01:17:43.000 How do you keep someone from saying, no, you don't?

01:17:45.000 You use somebody else's violence, you proxy it out to a state, or you have to do it yourself.

01:17:52.000 And you're not getting away from that, ever.

01:17:55.000 Nowhere, anywhere.

01:17:56.000 And we live in a society where all of this is violence is something that happens to other people now.

01:18:04.000 Violence is something that's done by someone else on our behalf.

01:18:07.000 We don't take any accountability for it.

01:18:09.000 We don't have... 0.94

01:18:10.000 And with that, it's like, if someone says, don't talk about my fucking kids and my family, and you cross that line, Okay, if he does nothing about it, if he just goes and whinges on Twitter about it, what does that mean? 0.95

01:18:25.000 That means nothing. 0.99

01:18:26.000 If he goes and calls the cops, well, he talked about it, and the cops just go, well, that's within his legal rights. 0.99

01:18:32.000 He can say whatever the fuck he wants. 0.99

01:18:33.000 Sorry. 0.99

01:18:34.000 Then how do you get him to stop doing it?

01:18:37.000 But do you think that what Jorge did?

01:18:38.000 Sucker punching him wasn't good.

01:18:40.000 No. 0.94

01:18:40.000 He should have been like, I told you what's on. 0.94

01:18:44.000 If I see you, come with me and come outside.

01:18:47.000 The problem with that is if he does that, Colby's going to take him down.

01:18:50.000 And that's what happened in the fight.

01:18:52.000 Deal with it.

01:18:52.000 Yeah, but it's like if you want to fight someone and you fight someone, you lose.

01:18:56.000 I feel like at a certain point in time, you've got to accept what happened.

01:19:01.000 I think there's a way of creating, through these conflicts, some aspect of mutual understanding and respect, in fact.

01:19:11.000 Okay, so what does that look like, though, between those two guys?

01:19:13.000 I mean, I don't know them personally. 0.92

01:19:15.000 Sucker punching a guy at a steak restaurant. 0.97

01:19:16.000 No, that ain't gonna do it. 0.99

01:19:17.000 That ain't gonna do it.

01:19:18.000 Because, again, you hit him when he wasn't looking.

01:19:21.000 It's like, well, okay.

01:19:23.000 Essentially, what you're asking for is for me to give you a certain modicum of respect.

01:19:27.000 And for it to not pass certain lines in terms of courtesies, because this is unacceptable.

01:19:34.000 How are you going to get them to do that when you cheap shot them?

01:19:36.000 Right.

01:19:37.000 It's just not going to happen.

01:19:38.000 I mean, it's like this.

01:19:40.000 I had a guy once that...

01:19:42.000 And this is...

01:19:42.000 It's not happened many times.

01:19:45.000 And... 0.97

01:19:47.000 I'm not one to go out there and shit talk people at all. 0.99

01:19:49.000 Because for me, it's just like, well, I don't need to talk shit about you. 0.99

01:19:52.000 I'm just going to go out and fight you. 0.99

01:19:53.000 If I have a real personal problem, I'll let you know.

01:19:56.000 And that isn't about me getting a fight.

01:19:58.000 It's not about me like, oh, I'm trying to drum up.

01:20:00.000 No.

01:20:01.000 We can fight in a professional sense, and that's all good.

01:20:05.000 If you want to make this personal, it ain't going to be professional.

01:20:09.000 It's for real, and you shouldn't do it, because I don't want to do it.

01:20:13.000 I'm not trying to live my life this way.

01:20:15.000 But if you make this the case, It's for real.

01:20:19.000 And it's on. 0.98

01:20:20.000 And so I had this guy out of nowhere to start shit-talking me. 0.98

01:20:24.000 And I'm like, what the hell is this guy's problem? 0.99

01:20:26.000 I don't get it.

01:20:27.000 And so...

01:20:28.000 This is a fighter?

01:20:29.000 Yeah, it's a fighter.

01:20:30.000 And so I'm just like, what the...

01:20:32.000 You know, I've never said two bad words about this guy ever.

01:20:34.000 Never. 0.99

01:20:35.000 I'm not going to talk shit about him. 1.00

01:20:37.000 And he's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:20:39.000 Like, all right.

01:20:39.000 So he starts going in.

01:20:41.000 So I responded in kind.

01:20:43.000 And I started ripping on him a bit.

01:20:45.000 He ran his mouth some more.

01:20:47.000 And at the time, I remember my manager that I had, he's like, oh, well, you know, you can go.

01:20:51.000 I go, no, no, no, no, no.

01:20:52.000 This isn't, I'm not getting in the ring with this guy. 1.00

01:20:55.000 So I can make him a bunch of money and give him notoriety and all this after I beat his ass. 0.99

01:20:59.000 Like, nah, you don't get to make a bunch of money off of my name. 0.99

01:21:03.000 I go, look, we're going to be out at this event. 0.99

01:21:06.000 If that dude's there, and I'm here with Hammer, if that dude comes up to me and starts running his mouth, I'm going to tell him once, and then when I see that motherfucker go to the bathroom, I'm going to have Hammer come with me. 0.99

01:21:16.000 Hammer's going to block the door, and I'm going to fucking tear him apart. 0.99

01:21:20.000 I'm going to walk in. 1.00

01:21:21.000 I said, I fucking told you. 1.00

01:21:22.000 You're looking me dead in the eyes. 1.00

01:21:24.000 Put your hands up.

01:21:25.000 We're going.

01:21:25.000 If you can see when we leave, you'll be lucky.

01:21:28.000 If I haven't bit off pieces of flesh out of your body, you'll be lucky.

01:21:32.000 If you can fight again after this, you'll be lucky.

01:21:34.000 But I told you.

01:21:36.000 And my manager's like, don't do that.

01:21:38.000 And I go, it's not up to me.

01:21:40.000 It's up to them.

01:21:42.000 Nothing happened.

01:21:43.000 Nothing ever happens, to be honest. 0.98

01:21:46.000 But it's just, don't fuck around with these things. 0.99

01:21:50.000 Hold yourself in high esteem, and with that... 0.98

01:21:53.000 Give that to other people until they give you a reason not to and then just be like, you know what? 0.99

01:21:57.000 I don't fuck with you. 0.99

01:21:58.000 It's no good. 1.00

01:21:59.000 So this brings us to last night.

01:22:00.000 Yeah.

01:22:01.000 This brings us to Will Smith walking on stage where Chris Rock said one of the most mild jokes ever.

01:22:10.000 It was pretty mild.

01:22:11.000 I thought so.

01:22:12.000 Jada Pinkett is bald.

01:22:14.000 Apparently, I didn't know this.

01:22:15.000 I found out after the fact that she didn't shave her head voluntarily.

01:22:18.000 She shaved her head because she's suffering from alopecia.

01:22:20.000 I didn't know this either.

01:22:22.000 So, I don't know if Chris knew this, but Chris says a joke around G.I. Jane 2, looking forward to it.

01:22:30.000 Very mild.

01:22:31.000 Just laughed.

01:22:32.000 And even said, come on, that was nice.

01:22:33.000 And then Will Smith initially laughs, but it looked like Jada was upset.

01:22:39.000 And so Will changes his tune, walks on stage, and smacks Chris Rock in the face at the Oscars. 1.00

01:22:48.000 And then says, keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. 1.00

01:22:52.000 Yes, he does. 1.00

01:22:52.000 And then he goes, come on, man, that was a G.I. Jane joke. 1.00

01:22:55.000 And he screams it out like... 1.00

01:22:57.000 Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth. 1.00

01:23:00.000 Yes. 1.00

01:23:00.000 And it's like his lips were quivering and he... 1.00

01:23:03.000 First of all, that whole scene, doing that, in that manner, in that place, is a great example of what's wrong with the glorification of just being able to go up to someone and smack them in the face.

01:23:22.000 Because that whole thing was so weird.

01:23:25.000 I'm going to disagree with you here.

01:23:26.000 Please do.

01:23:26.000 What is your take on it?

01:23:27.000 I want you to finish, though.

01:23:29.000 Well, no.

01:23:30.000 You said you were going to disagree with me.

01:23:31.000 What do you think?

01:23:32.000 Well, I don't actually think there's any glorification of violence in the sense of free capability on Will's part.

01:23:41.000 What do you mean by that?

01:23:42.000 Well, for one, I... I don't think that there was any inherent given that you could just get away with it.

01:23:52.000 I think that whatever Will did, he did it, and he was like, whatever comes with it, I'll have to own up to it.

01:23:58.000 I don't think he was thinking that far ahead at all.

01:24:00.000 Maybe he wasn't, but maybe he was being emotionally fragile.

01:24:03.000 Probably.

01:24:04.000 And he acted on impulse.

01:24:06.000 Sure. 0.81

01:24:06.000 And I think it's a foolish impulse that you do when you know there's no consequences. 0.81

01:24:11.000 So you're hitting a very small person.

01:24:12.000 I'm going to say that I don't know that he thinks that there's...

01:24:14.000 Now, in terms of hitting Chris...

01:24:17.000 In terms of them and their physical differences and capability of combat, let's say, yes.

01:24:23.000 There's no consequences.

01:24:24.000 But I'm saying, well, there's no consequences in getting out of your seat and striking somebody on national television.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, but I don't think he was thinking about that.

01:24:32.000 I think he was acting impulsively.

01:24:34.000 Simply in terms of man to man and who's capable and what's capable.

01:24:39.000 And you know what?

01:24:39.000 That may be the case in the microcosm of things, but if you hit anybody for any reason in public at this point, you have the very real fact of all of the powers of law that be,

01:24:58.000 especially depending on who you are and what the public and the cathedral thinks of you, smashing you to death until you have your penniless, bankrupt, That's not gonna happen here.

01:25:10.000 Probably not. 0.91

01:25:11.000 He just smacked him. 0.99

01:25:13.000 He didn't beat the shit out of him. 0.99

01:25:15.000 He didn't harm him. 0.99

01:25:15.000 He smacked him in the face and humiliated him. 0.99

01:25:17.000 We live in a society where violence is so But there's no way Will Smith is going to become penniless from smacking Chris Rock.

01:25:26.000 You wouldn't think so.

01:25:28.000 He's extremely wealthy.

01:25:30.000 It's not going to happen.

01:25:32.000 And not only that, Chris Rock instantly didn't press charges.

01:25:34.000 He wouldn't press charges and he just accepted it.

01:25:37.000 I would say it should have been handled...

01:25:39.000 In the back?

01:25:41.000 Or he could have at least, he could have stood up, said something right on the spot.

01:25:46.000 But listen, no.

01:25:46.000 And not done anything about it.

01:25:48.000 Or said it in the back. 1.00

01:25:48.000 Chris Rock's doing his fucking job. 1.00

01:25:49.000 You don't go and sit in the front row, you're a star at the Oscars. 1.00

01:25:53.000 There's a professional comedian whose job is to roast people.

01:25:57.000 That's what he's doing.

01:25:58.000 And what he did was not even insulting.

01:26:00.000 It's not about...

01:26:00.000 It was a mild joke.

01:26:02.000 It's not about...

01:26:03.000 What is it?

01:26:04.000 It's not about giving Will Smith a pass or saying what he did was right.

01:26:08.000 But what I am saying is that from his perspective, if it was that important, he could have barring going up there and hitting Chris in front of everyone.

01:26:21.000 And he could have said something if he had to do it right then and there, if he felt that it was that egregious of a remark.

01:26:30.000 And I agree with you, Chris Rock's a comedian.

01:26:33.000 The presenters at the Oscars are supposed to be entertainers, often crack jokes that either A, that they do themselves in Chris's perspective, or from Chris's situation, or ones that are written for him.

01:26:46.000 Chris is a comedian.

01:26:47.000 I highly doubt that they don't know each other at this point, being in Hollywood for as long as they have.

01:26:52.000 And in my opinion, if you really want to settle things, Go do it personally.

01:26:57.000 Speak to the person first.

01:26:59.000 Give them an opportunity to apologize for things, especially if they didn't realize that what they were doing was...

01:27:05.000 I hear all the things you're saying, but they're not applicable.

01:27:07.000 That was not an insult.

01:27:09.000 It was the most mild joke about her hairstyle in reference to a movie where a lady shaped her head. 1.00

01:27:15.000 I fully get it.

01:27:15.000 I fully get it, but I'm just simply saying...

01:27:17.000 The idea that there's any justification whatsoever of him getting up there and smacking him in the face like that.

01:27:21.000 No, he didn't need to go up there and smack him at all.

01:27:23.000 No.

01:27:23.000 But...

01:27:24.000 Regardless of what you and I think of how important or what the weight of what Chris said was, just removing us out of the equation, if it's really that important to Jada, Therefore, it then becomes important to Will.

01:27:41.000 Then he should deal with it on a personal level and have a conversation with Chris before anything.

01:27:48.000 Of course.

01:27:48.000 Because you have to give someone the opportunity because, one, you have to assume, potentially, that Chris had malicious intent in what he had to say.

01:27:58.000 How do you have malicious intent in a mild joke?

01:28:00.000 Tell me about it.

01:28:01.000 I'm saying I don't agree that he did.

01:28:03.000 I'm telling you, dude, this is all rational thinking about an irrational act.

01:28:07.000 It's an irrational act. 1.00

01:28:08.000 He was emotionally fragile and he acted on impulse in a staggeringly stupid way. 1.00

01:28:15.000 I'll tell you something. 1.00

01:28:16.000 Somebody, a good dude, who I know didn't mean any harm, We're good to go.

01:28:29.000 We're good to go.

01:28:47.000 Okay, so I pull him to the side and I'm like, hey, look, I know you don't mean anything by it, but, you know, X, Y, Z. And we just have a simple conversation and the guy's just like...

01:28:55.000 Yeah, dude, that's rational.

01:28:56.000 That's a rational response to human beings having some sort of a dispute.

01:29:01.000 But to assume people...

01:29:03.000 Have malicious intent, especially in that position, I think is an erroneous way of approaching it.

01:29:09.000 I don't think it had anything to do with that.

01:29:12.000 I think what he was doing was saving face.

01:29:15.000 He was doing some weird movie thing.

01:29:18.000 He was getting away with it as if he was living in a fictional movie.

01:29:23.000 Like, the idea that you think it's smart, while wearing a tuxedo, to walk onto a stage in front of the world, like literally the world, one of the biggest award shows on earth, if not the biggest, and smack a comedian for the most mild joke, 1.00

01:29:38.000 and then sit there quivering, saying, keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth! 1.00

01:29:44.000 And everybody's just gonna sit there in the shit that you just took on the table. 1.00

01:29:49.000 You just pulled your pants down, took a shit on the dinner table, and they all just sit there and look at that. 1.00

01:29:53.000 That's what it's like. 1.00

01:29:54.000 A shit full of peanuts and corn and everything. 1.00

01:29:57.000 It stinks. 1.00

01:29:58.000 It's just the whole idea behind it is completely irrational, but what I'm saying is like these people live in this fake world of, you know, you're protected by guards, you're driven by limos, you're on the red carpet, you know, like all of it is crazy life. 0.98

01:30:15.000 And he's so goddamn famous and so removed from regular discourse and interaction with regular people that he, for whatever reason in his head, acted like he's a character in a movie. 0.70

01:30:28.000 Maybe so. 0.97

01:30:28.000 And I only am not speaking indefinites in regards to Will because I don't know the man. 0.97

01:30:33.000 I never met him.

01:30:35.000 All these things that you're saying could absolutely be 100% plausible and true.

01:30:40.000 And especially a person like Will, who is in such an elevated position in society at large.

01:30:48.000 And you are 100% right in that these types of folks get removed from reality for a variety of reasons.

01:30:59.000 But it's often a catastrophic process to the person and how they approach the world.

01:31:07.000 But here's what happened right afterwards.

01:31:08.000 He won the Academy Award, then goes up and does a speech.

01:31:11.000 The whole thing was so bizarre.

01:31:13.000 And it made me think, like, how many other human beings could be in a similar situation and pull that off?

01:31:20.000 Not many. 0.91

01:31:20.000 Like if a man walked on stage and smacked a woman. 0.91

01:31:23.000 That would not fly.

01:31:24.000 Would not fly.

01:31:25.000 Not fly.

01:31:25.000 If a woman walked on stage and smacked another woman, I don't even think it would fly.

01:31:29.000 Probably not.

01:31:30.000 Probably not. 0.99

01:31:31.000 But also, man smacking a woman, I feel like it's even an ingrained thing, like, you don't fucking do that. 0.99

01:31:38.000 Number two, women smacking women. 1.00

01:31:40.000 All the women are going to look back and be like, women don't solve their issues with violence. 1.00

01:31:45.000 You're supposed to tear them down in other ways.

01:31:49.000 When women start feuding with one another and one of them finally says, that's it, and they go to violence, it's almost as if they've lost completely.

01:31:57.000 All the other women are like, nah, you broke. 1.00

01:31:59.000 Sorry, you're out.

01:32:01.000 Well, I don't know. 0.97

01:32:02.000 There's plenty of world-star hip-hop videos of women beating the fuck out of each other. 1.00

01:32:07.000 You can find a lot of videos online of women in Walmart parking lots pulling each other's hair. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Yes, there are exceptions, I will agree. 0.99

01:32:15.000 Kicking the shit out of each other. 0.98

01:32:15.000 I will agree there are some exceptions. 0.98

01:32:16.000 But I just think, in terms of society standards, I don't think they would have accepted it the same way.

01:32:21.000 No.

01:32:21.000 It was a rare instance where someone is so enormously famous and successful like Will Smith, That they literally still allowed him to not just win the Academy Award, but also go up and accept it and give a speech after he assaulted a small comedian.

01:32:38.000 Yeah, they should have ejected him.

01:32:39.000 They should have ejected him from the show.

01:32:40.000 A hundred percent.

01:32:41.000 A hundred percent.

01:32:42.000 I agree with that.

01:32:44.000 You can't just go smack a man in the face in front of the world and then go about business as usual.

01:32:50.000 First of all, it sets a terrible precedent.

01:32:53.000 Yes.

01:32:53.000 In so many different ways.

01:32:54.000 It's a terrible precedent for comedy clubs.

01:32:57.000 Yes.

01:32:57.000 Like are people gonna decide that they're gonna go on stage and smack the comedian now?

01:33:00.000 I hope they try to smack Brendan or you.

01:33:03.000 I just want to see one Joe Rogan turning sidekick. 0.80

01:33:06.000 Get chuggy! 1.00

01:33:07.000 I don't necessarily think people are going to change their behavior, but dumb people might. 0.98

01:33:13.000 But also, it's just like, what are we saying as a society when the people that we look up to, for whatever reason, for good or for bad, we look up to actors. 0.96

01:33:22.000 And the Academy Awards is supposed to be them in their most regal Their most regal outfits, their best behavior, and to drop down to violence for something so innocuous as a G.I. Jane joke.

01:33:38.000 Look, man, it's not the hill that I'm looking to necessarily die on either, in particular context.

01:33:46.000 And, you know...

01:33:49.000 Having a conversation with somebody over something that made my girlfriend uncomfortable, to me, that was the way to approach it. 0.96

01:33:58.000 But I guess if someone wanted to tell me fuck you about it, then it's like, okay, well now that changes things. 0.91

01:34:05.000 Right, of course. 0.99

01:34:06.000 You don't care how it affects other people, and you're having consideration for me or my girlfriend.

01:34:12.000 I know what you're saying, but in this case, we saw it.

01:34:15.000 We see all the elements laid out.

01:34:17.000 Chris Rock's joke was so mild.

01:34:19.000 I get it.

01:34:20.000 And so...

01:34:22.000 You know, Jada's allowed to take offense, and Will's allowed to take offense, but to jump up, run on stage, slap him, and then throw the scene that he did is a completely different story.

01:34:33.000 It was a meltdown.

01:34:33.000 To at least to go and give Chris an opportunity to talk to him, and maybe even Jada, and just be like, look, one, you can see that he did not mean to try and cause any actual harm to you.

01:34:44.000 So, you know what?

01:34:45.000 Just tell him, if you didn't like it, tell him face-to-face and be like, yo, man, I... It really, you know, hey Jada, it really bugged you.

01:34:52.000 You're talking about two totally different things.

01:34:54.000 I get it.

01:34:54.000 We both agree with that.

01:34:55.000 But to me, regardless of whether you're Will Smith or you're the other Will Smith, the former special forces guy who speaks Russian, was in all tons of 70s and 80s movies, played Conan's dad in Conan the Barbarian, that badass motherfucker. 0.83

01:35:13.000 You could be that guy, this other super popular Will Smith, or Will Smith that nobody actually knows who that person is.

01:35:19.000 The approach has to be the same.

01:35:21.000 There is no exception for you if you played Ali or if you played Conan's dad or if nobody's seen you play anything even with yourself.

01:35:28.000 Well I think what we're looking at also is the culmination of a long period of like emotional distress.

01:35:35.000 Like that family's been public.

01:35:48.000 I think there's a certain defensiveness that comes along with that.

01:35:52.000 Well, then, you know what? 1.00

01:35:54.000 Sit in that fucking term. 1.00

01:35:58.000 Sit in it then. 1.00

01:35:59.000 Sit in it then.

01:36:00.000 Because the public is mocking you for the thing that you brought to them.

01:36:03.000 Yeah, listen, I'm in agreement with you.

01:36:05.000 100%. 0.96

01:36:05.000 So for me, I'm like, look, if you're adding stress into your life by publicizing and externalizing everything, which, again, says something more about the state of things, like, why are you externalizing this shit? 0.96

01:36:18.000 Right. 0.96

01:36:18.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

01:36:19.000 Like, even when I told this story about, oh, you know, this fighter and I had beef.

01:36:23.000 I ain't gonna say his name because you know what?

01:36:25.000 I'm not trying to create more beef because I'm not trying to live my life, even though I'm the war master, in some point of irrational, unnecessary conflict.

01:36:34.000 When conflict comes, conflict, if it has to get to that, That's my whole point.

01:36:40.000 It's destroy everything.

01:36:41.000 You're a man of honor and of like deep moral principles and ethics.

01:36:45.000 You have a very rigid way.

01:36:47.000 You live your life with discipline.

01:36:49.000 That's my whole point of this.

01:36:50.000 Yes.

01:36:51.000 This is a nonsense scene.

01:36:52.000 You're right. 0.83

01:36:52.000 Where you're allowed to just go smack someone. 0.83

01:36:54.000 You're right.

01:36:55.000 Like that is a non-consequential move.

01:36:57.000 That's like you're saying there's no consequences to this. 0.99

01:36:59.000 I'm gonna go up and smack him in front of everybody and I'm gonna give him the fucking the what not. 0.99

01:37:04.000 You know, you do this. 1.00

01:37:05.000 We live in unreality, Joe.

01:37:08.000 We live in unreality, hyperreality.

01:37:10.000 I've heard it coined.

01:37:11.000 We live in a massively unserious place from our populace to our people that we put on pedestals within media to our politicians.

01:37:23.000 All these people are massively unserious and That's probably the problem with living, right?

01:37:30.000 What we're seeing represented in the media and in society, whether it's in films or television shows or even in the news in a lot of ways, it doesn't resonate with what we know to be true and real with real life.

01:37:42.000 Like even just the way they communicate.

01:37:44.000 They don't communicate like a real person. 0.99

01:37:46.000 So, so much of it, we've sort of accepted that so much of what you see is bullshit. 0.98

01:37:51.000 And I just don't think like living that kind of life where you are that kind of person, you're an actor, you're constantly on the red carpet, you're in this weird public pedestal place. 0.93

01:38:03.000 I think you can get a very distorted sense of reality and I think that's what we saw manifest itself.

01:38:08.000 You're 100% correct.

01:38:09.000 Yeah.

01:38:10.000 Welcome to the Iron Age, the Kali Yuga. 0.92

01:38:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:13.000 Enjoy it.

01:38:14.000 Well, we were talking about that before and that's kind of where we're at.

01:38:17.000 We are in Kali Yuga.

01:38:18.000 We are in Kali Yuga.

01:38:19.000 And the Hindus were very smart in their idea of, it was the Hindus, right? 0.87

01:38:25.000 Yes, the Hindus, yes.

01:38:26.000 They came up with this idea that there are certain ages almost unavoidable of civilizations.

01:38:32.000 Correct.

01:38:32.000 So they go through these cycles.

01:38:33.000 Correct.

01:38:35.000 There is a...

01:38:36.000 Nietzsche talked about this.

01:38:38.000 René Guénon, a French philosopher, and Oswald Spengler in The Decline of the West, a volume.

01:38:43.000 We wrote two whole giant books on this.

01:38:47.000 And, you know, I sent you a quote from Spengler, and I'm like, this is from 1922. And it's talking about the...

01:38:57.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 I think?

01:39:26.000 And yet, people like Ganon and Spengler and Nietzsche saw these patterns of human behavior.

01:39:34.000 I mean, even beyond the cyclical history of the Hindus, Ganon, who takes a lot from the Hindus, and Spengler. 0.79

01:39:46.000 There's also even Strauss and Howe with their fourth turning concept.

01:39:51.000 It's like every 80 years that there's going to be a complete changeover.

01:39:56.000 You have these four ages that you'll go through.

01:40:02.000 How's it go?

01:40:02.000 It's like artist, nomad, or is it nomad, artist?

01:40:08.000 Nomad, and then you get hero, and then it just keeps repeating itself about every 80 years.

01:40:13.000 And Strauss and Howe think that our fourth turning will come around 2030. I don't entirely buy into the entirety of the fourth turning concept because it's like, oh, the millennials are going to be the hero generation.

01:40:25.000 I'm like, I don't fucking think so.

01:40:27.000 Sorry. 0.89

01:40:27.000 It's just not going to happen. 0.89

01:40:28.000 You say no, but then you see Gen Z and you go, maybe.

01:40:32.000 Well, I mean, compared to what?

01:40:34.000 Compared to what? 0.99

01:40:35.000 You almost have to recognize that the next generation is so fucked up that you have to pick up the slack. 0.99

01:40:41.000 I truly believe that at least this kind of aligns with the fourth turning concept in that. 0.98

01:40:48.000 It takes calamity to change humanity.

01:40:51.000 I believe that too.

01:40:52.000 And part of what Ganon and Nietzsche, and Nietzsche's concept is the last man.

01:40:58.000 And this is, you know, you want to understand this, go read Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

01:41:02.000 With Ganon, start with Crisis of the Modern World.

01:41:05.000 With Spengler, probably Man and Technics is the easiest one to get with.

01:41:11.000 If you feel like it, there's a lot of people have now started reproducing his work so it makes it easier to get a hold of because it was hard.

01:41:18.000 When I had to get my two copies, I found a couple old used ones and I had to pay like 120 bucks to get them.

01:41:23.000 Now it's a lot cheaper.

01:41:25.000 But there is, I would say, you can go ahead and go with volume one form and actuality into perspectives of world history, but be prepared to be in for a long haul with that stuff.

01:41:38.000 What they're going on about is that you'll see how the comfort of technology and the way I see technology is basically think of technology as not just...

01:42:12.000 It's also about...

01:42:17.000 Abating nature, right?

01:42:19.000 So technology is putting a roof over your head and then running water and lights and every little step further away of abating nature from how it can interact or how it can force you to and your being and existence and your action in the world.

01:42:35.000 You start abating nature, abating nature, abating nature.

01:42:37.000 I don't have to walk somewhere anymore.

01:42:38.000 I could get on a bicycle.

01:42:39.000 Well, I can get off a bicycle and I can ride a horse.

01:42:42.000 Well, I could get off this horse and I have a car.

01:42:45.000 And each thing makes it so nature has less effect on you.

01:42:51.000 And you are abating the effects of terrain, which also another aspect of time would be the roads to then be able to travel.

01:43:00.000 Okay, no roads?

01:43:02.000 Take a plane or a helicopter or what have you, you know, from the Wright brothers all the way up to 787s.

01:43:08.000 I mean, man starts on this journey of materialism and starts seeing everything as atoms and pieces and parts and things without any spirit to him anymore.

01:43:18.000 This is, you know, back to the thing about EVs.

01:43:22.000 It's just like, well, you know, just make stuff, right?

01:43:25.000 Technology will allow me to do this, so just do it.

01:43:28.000 It's a constant conflict of...

01:43:31.000 Shoulda or coulda instead of shoulda.

01:43:34.000 And, you know, we have a phone that has all this access to all.

01:43:40.000 I could go look up audio books on YouTube of getting on and, you know, people's lectures on all these different things.

01:43:49.000 But it could also be this thing that deranges me in how I start now having resentment and envy with people I'll never meet, I've never seen, in a life that they're carefully constructing to be seen in one way versus the totality of what life is really like for anyone.

01:44:13.000 And so now you get all these people across all these platforms that can now reach out way further than any tribe has ever been able to do before.

01:44:23.000 Now all of a sudden it's like, well, Dunbar's number says like 200 people that you could actually have a real relationship with.

01:44:29.000 Well, now you've got all these electronic relationships on top of that.

01:44:32.000 And they're making you believe as if you're really invested and engaged with this person, but you're not.

01:44:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:41.000 And at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and just say, like, everything about social media and electronics and technology is just evil and bad.

01:44:47.000 I'm not calling for, like...

01:44:49.000 It's not evil and bad.

01:44:50.000 It's just we don't have the tools, like, genetically or inherently to navigate those worlds rationally.

01:44:58.000 Right, I'm not calling for a butlerian jihad.

01:45:00.000 Yeah, what's going on with technology is that there's nothing wrong with it, but what is wrong is not having discipline and not having the ability to accurately assess whether or not something is good for you or bad for you.

01:45:15.000 Yes.

01:45:16.000 And then also having a vast amount of people that are going to take the easy way out, and that easy way is provided to them through technology.

01:45:23.000 We're generally primed to find easier ways.

01:45:26.000 Always.

01:45:27.000 That's how you survive.

01:45:28.000 Exactly.

01:45:29.000 You're not going to find, if a wolf doesn't have to travel with their pack, Hundreds of miles to go and get a kill.

01:45:37.000 Right.

01:45:37.000 They ain't going to do it.

01:45:38.000 Of course.

01:45:38.000 If someone just starts chucking food out, they're just going to keep going there.

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:43.000 They're not going to take off.

01:45:44.000 And if you think that we're that far removed from wolves, then you're fucking... 0.99

01:45:48.000 Well, that's how they turned a wolf into a collie. 0.99

01:45:51.000 Yes.

01:45:51.000 That's literally how they did it.

01:45:53.000 Yeah.

01:45:53.000 They did it by chucking meat to wolves that came by the campfire and they turned them into dogs.

01:45:57.000 One of my favorite Nietzsche quotes is, verily I have laughed at those who thought themselves good because they had no teeth.

01:46:05.000 Hmm.

01:46:07.000 Interesting.

01:46:09.000 Yeah.

01:46:10.000 Yeah, we are in a precarious situation where the human animal doesn't have an owner's manual.

01:46:16.000 No.

01:46:16.000 We don't have a great guidebook to how to navigate all the perils of being a person.

01:46:23.000 Well, we do have these guidebooks, but...

01:46:25.000 But not one standard that's handed out to people.

01:46:27.000 No, of course not.

01:46:27.000 We don't have...

01:46:28.000 I mean, yeah.

01:46:29.000 We don't teach people how to...

01:46:30.000 Of course.

01:46:30.000 It's one of the differences between martial artists and other folks is that you're willingly participating in something that develops character and discipline, and it's very different.

01:46:38.000 And it's basically built on the concept of failure, trial and error, and effort and discipline.

01:46:48.000 You have to keep showing up, otherwise you don't get the results.

01:46:52.000 And intelligence.

01:46:52.000 You have to be able to navigate problems.

01:46:55.000 The way I always describe MMA, it's high level problem solving with dire physical consequences.

01:47:01.000 Indeed.

01:47:03.000 It is something that allows you to create a safe space for suffering.

01:47:10.000 A place where you can go and bleed and sweat with your brothers and sisters and create community and have deep personal relationships based on the intensity of the activity because I have to trust that if you and I are rolling, 0.91

01:47:29.000 that like, oh, if Joe catches me, he's not just gonna break my shit off, Because he feels like it. 0.80

01:47:35.000 Instead, he's gonna allow me to tap. 0.96

01:47:37.000 And even then, it's like when I roll with folks, I'll lock something in super tight, and if I start feeling like, uh-oh, this shit's going to go, I back off. 0.92

01:47:46.000 I go, look, man, it's not worth it. 0.86

01:47:47.000 And there's been times where I've rolled with folks, and they don't tap.

01:47:50.000 They think they're going to get out of it, and I clack, and I immediately let go.

01:47:53.000 I'm like, oh, man, I don't need you hurt.

01:47:55.000 That's a horrible feeling.

01:47:55.000 If you're hurt, we don't get to do this.

01:47:58.000 If we're not doing this, then neither one of us is growing.

01:48:01.000 And even just the thin veneer of, oh, we're not just hanging out even in this gym.

01:48:10.000 And I like that.

01:48:11.000 It's part of the reason why I'm here.

01:48:12.000 It's not the only reason, but having these relationships is part of why I'm here also, because I enjoy it.

01:48:19.000 We have something in common, which we can have a rapport about.

01:48:23.000 But we...

01:48:27.000 There are all these quote-unquote owner's manuals across time and history and cultures, and they're more alike than they're different, and there's a lot to be learned from it.

01:48:40.000 I'm not a theist in any way, but I study religion because there are...

01:48:55.000 I agree with you that religions do hold truths and many of the ancient spiritual texts do hold guidelines on how to love thy neighbor, treat thy neighbor as if they were your brother.

01:49:11.000 Yeah, all that stuff.

01:49:12.000 But don't you think, like, physical action needs to happen, too, to completely form a person?

01:49:19.000 Yes.

01:49:19.000 100%.

01:49:20.000 That's where it's missing.

01:49:21.000 It is.

01:49:21.000 If you're just studying these works, but you're not applying them in a way that tests you, tests your morals, tests your physical will, your discipline, your mind, tests the way patterns of thinking that you're able to cultivate and maintain under pressure.

01:49:38.000 Yes.

01:49:40.000 One, we have a problem of compartmentalization.

01:49:42.000 And this goes back to the Kali Yuga. 0.78

01:49:48.000 This goes back to what the Kali Yuga will entail and how people will behave. 0.87

01:49:56.000 To Nietzsche and The Last Man, to Spengler, and he breaks everything down into spring, summer, autumn, winter.

01:50:03.000 We're in winter.

01:50:05.000 And when he wrote The Client of the West, he's talking about the winter, the winter of our discontent, I guess.

01:50:13.000 When you get to these parts in time, you see that everything becomes this little compartmentalized aspect.

01:50:20.000 Training in the gym is this compartmentalized thing where I'm just doing jujitsu, maybe.

01:50:24.000 And then when I go and I go to church, if you're a church-going person, that's its own compartmentalized thing.

01:50:29.000 And when I go to school—and so everything is this other—everything's a deracidated, atomized, you know— It's a materialized way of doing things, and nothing is integrated into itself to make a synthesis of all aspects of being in the world.

01:50:46.000 That's a great way to put it.

01:50:54.000 Even still, as you break these things apart, human beings need physical activity, period. 0.99

01:51:02.000 And it's not even about whether you're good at it or great at it or you suck. 0.96

01:51:08.000 It doesn't matter. 0.71

01:51:10.000 Finding places on a broad scale, finding things that challenge you and allow you to grow...

01:51:23.000 We're good to go.

01:51:35.000 The body needs to move.

01:51:36.000 We're not made to sit around all day long.

01:51:39.000 And we're not made to sit and do nothing and just eat processed stuff.

01:51:45.000 Also, which is really so bizarre how much nudging is going on to try and get everyone to eat fake processed meat everywhere.

01:51:52.000 It is driving me nuts.

01:51:54.000 It's driving me nuts as well.

01:51:55.000 It is. 1.00

01:51:56.000 All that plant-based meat shit. 0.99

01:51:58.000 There was an article recently where Bill Gates said that wealthy countries should move 100% to plant-based meat. 0.99

01:52:05.000 You first, Bill.

01:52:07.000 Go for it.

01:52:07.000 I think he's already doing it.

01:52:09.000 And it shows.

01:52:11.000 That stuff's terrible for your body.

01:52:13.000 It is absolutely horrible.

01:52:15.000 If you want to eat vegan, there's nothing wrong with doing that.

01:52:18.000 You can do it, and you can do it healthy, and you can sustain rigorous levels of physical activity with a vegan diet.

01:52:25.000 Some people.

01:52:25.000 Some people can.

01:52:26.000 But the point is, like, you don't do it with fake meat.

01:52:29.000 You do it with pea protein.

01:52:31.000 You do it with hemp protein.

01:52:33.000 You do it with eating fresh vegetables. 1.00

01:52:36.000 You don't have these fucking garbage fake meat alternatives. 1.00

01:52:41.000 If you don't want to eat meat, just don't eat meat. 1.00

01:52:43.000 But eating that stuff is not good for you.

01:52:45.000 They're crammed with seed oils. 0.96

01:52:47.000 And just trash. 0.99

01:52:48.000 It's as processed as dog food. 0.98

01:52:51.000 And some of it, when lined up against itself, ingredients-wise, it is indistinguishable from dog food.

01:52:57.000 Dog food is probably more nutritious.

01:52:58.000 Dog food in general is probably more nutritious.

01:53:00.000 Most dog food is a lot of animal protein.

01:53:03.000 To me, veganism is...

01:53:05.000 If you're a vegan because you have such...

01:53:10.000 Empathetic and emotional attachment to animals in any way and you can't see yourself having an animal die in any sense for you to...

01:53:18.000 Okay.

01:53:20.000 Valid.

01:53:21.000 You do what you got to do to make this work for you, but I accept that and it's totally fine. 0.99

01:53:26.000 And all the stuff about this is healthier, it's this, it's that, bullshit. 0.98

01:53:31.000 This is a luxury diet born of modernity. 0.99

01:53:35.000 It's exactly the kind of thing you would see in the Kali Yuga. 0.97

01:53:39.000 It is this idea that you can somehow...

01:53:43.000 Pretty much every historical tribe, peoples, nations, everything that has helped people grow.

01:53:48.000 The fact that it is said that our ability to harness fire and cook animal proteins is what allowed us to get in the caloric and vitamin and intake that we needed for our brains to grow— To become us.

01:54:04.000 Yeah, I think it's a primary factor.

01:54:06.000 Even if you're eating pea proteins, you're going to have to do stuff to help break it down, whatever.

01:54:10.000 It doesn't have the same amino acid profiles.

01:54:12.000 It's just not.

01:54:13.000 No, it's not.

01:54:14.000 But the point is, if you do study it meticulously and you're very careful, you can live a vegan diet and be healthy.

01:54:21.000 I know a lot of people that do it.

01:54:22.000 But the point is, it's like, you don't do it through fake meat. 1.00

01:54:26.000 That shit is not good for you. 1.00

01:54:28.000 There's plenty of vegetables that are great for you. 1.00

01:54:30.000 100%.

01:54:31.000 You can eat legumes and lentils and blends of lentils and rice.

01:54:34.000 There's ways to do it.

01:54:35.000 And you know what?

01:54:36.000 It's true.

01:54:37.000 But yeah, all the nudging for fake meat is just like, oh, okay.

01:54:40.000 It's like, I don't know why people are listening to him in that regard.

01:54:44.000 You should listen to him on how to market an operating system and make billions of dollars.

01:54:49.000 He did an amazing job with that.

01:54:51.000 They listen to him because he is part of our aristocracy.

01:54:54.000 And our aristocracy is nothing but managerial rent-seeking elites that don't know how to make or create anything anymore.

01:55:01.000 Or they have a capability in one sector that they then think gives them the understanding capability across all things.

01:55:09.000 That's a very good way to put it.

01:55:11.000 That's a very good way to put it, and I like that you called them an aristocracy, because that's essentially the way we look at extremely wealthy business people in this country.

01:55:19.000 We look at them as like, if this guy is able to accumulate billions of dollars, he must be a special class of person, because clearly that's the one thing that every working person aspires to, is to become exorbitantly wealthy.

01:55:32.000 And that may be true, and that special class is psychopath.

01:55:37.000 Right.

01:55:38.000 Or he is an exceptional class of person in a very specific context.

01:55:43.000 Yes.

01:55:43.000 But that doesn't make them exceptional.

01:55:45.000 Right. 0.98

01:55:45.000 Like, do you think Bill Gates could fucking fight at all? 0.98

01:55:48.000 No. 0.99

01:55:49.000 No.

01:55:50.000 No, Bill Gates, part of what makes a Bill Gates is that all the violence that he ever needs in the world to allow him to have what he needs...

01:56:00.000 Is already proxied out and he never has to be the one to employ it.

01:56:04.000 Yes, for sure.

01:56:05.000 So if at any point all aspects of governance and personal private security just says, nope, you're on your own.

01:56:14.000 Right.

01:56:14.000 We will prosecute no one for what happens to you.

01:56:18.000 Well, that is...

01:56:19.000 He's done.

01:56:19.000 That is a great point.

01:56:20.000 If he's topotlipunum, which means head of the wolf, which means that's it.

01:56:24.000 You're on your own.

01:56:25.000 No one will come for you.

01:56:26.000 No one will help you.

01:56:27.000 Anyone can attack you at any moment for any reason.

01:56:30.000 You are under no protection under Rome.

01:56:33.000 Have fun.

01:56:34.000 Bill Gates is gone.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, quickly.

01:56:37.000 Because that is the reality of life, period, at all points.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, they will raid him the way they raid a San Francisco Walgreens.

01:56:45.000 You will get snatched out of the air. 1.00

01:56:50.000 You'll get snatched out of the air like some hapless fucking seagull by a chimpanzee. 1.00

01:56:55.000 How wild is that video? 1.00

01:56:56.000 Is that the greatest video?

01:56:57.000 It is pretty great.

01:56:59.000 And almost as great as I write some little comment like, oh, this is one of the deepest truths of being right here.

01:57:05.000 And then watching the just like mid-wit level responses and then watch them go after each other.

01:57:10.000 I'm like...

01:57:11.000 That's why I don't read responses.

01:57:13.000 I just want to enjoy that chimp beating that seagull to death. 1.00

01:57:16.000 I know what's happening.

01:57:18.000 I personally like to read...

01:57:20.000 I read all the comments and everything because I look for the threads.

01:57:25.000 What is the perception of me?

01:57:27.000 What is the perception of what I say?

01:57:28.000 It's not about whether it's true or it's false.

01:57:30.000 I'm just trying to get an idea of what people...

01:57:33.000 It's not a chimp. 0.98

01:57:34.000 It's a monkey.

01:57:35.000 It has a tail, right?

01:57:36.000 It is a monkey.

01:57:37.000 Is that its feet?

01:57:38.000 Is that his feet or is that, it's hard to tell.

01:57:40.000 I think that's a tail.

01:57:43.000 It's hard to tell. 0.99

01:57:43.000 Either way, it's locked in on that pole with a lot of, his balance is solid, which is something about fucking monkeys, right? 0.99

01:57:50.000 I think that's a monkey tail. 0.99

01:57:52.000 I think that thing, the low thing is the tail that's holding on to the tree, but he is beating the fuck out of that seagull. 0.98

01:57:59.000 That is so wild. 0.97

01:58:00.000 And he's going to eat it.

01:58:01.000 Well, that's probably what he wants. 1.00

01:58:03.000 I mean, this poor bastard has probably been living in this fucking zoo, being tortured. 1.00

01:58:09.000 He's in a prison for no fault of his own. 1.00

01:58:12.000 He didn't do anything wrong. 0.93

01:58:14.000 He just happened to be a monkey.

01:58:15.000 Or was born in a prison, right?

01:58:15.000 His throne-ness was to grow up in bars.

01:58:18.000 And then he figured out how to climb up there and snatch one of those motherfuckers right from the sky. 0.99

01:58:22.000 Hey, nature finds a way, bro. 0.99

01:58:23.000 That does. 0.98

01:58:25.000 I fucking love this video. 1.00

01:58:28.000 First of all, seagulls are cunts, if you don't know. 1.00

01:58:30.000 Seagulls are some of the most evil birds. 0.98

01:58:32.000 You ever see seagulls try to eat other birds?

01:58:34.000 Oh, they're nasty.

01:58:35.000 They're nasty, man. 1.00

01:58:36.000 They're mean as shit. 1.00

01:58:36.000 I grew up in Seattle, man. 1.00

01:58:38.000 There's seagulls everywhere.

01:58:39.000 They're everywhere. 1.00

01:58:39.000 They are brutal little sons of bitches. 1.00

01:58:41.000 They'll eat a pigeon, swallow them whole. 1.00

01:58:42.000 There's a great video of a seagull eating a rat whole in New York City.

01:58:46.000 It is crazy.

01:58:48.000 This rat is gigantic, and this seagull is choking it down. 0.74

01:58:52.000 Actually, it might be in Italy, now that I think about it. 0.68

01:58:54.000 Seagulls are brutal.

01:58:55.000 Yeah, they're brutal animals.

01:58:56.000 So I'm team primate.

01:58:59.000 Me too.

01:58:59.000 I'm all with that monkey.

01:59:01.000 I mean, if it was a crow, I'd be upset about it.

01:59:04.000 Right, I like crows.

01:59:05.000 Me too.

01:59:05.000 Crows, magpies, ravens, I'm all about it.

01:59:08.000 They're so smart.

01:59:08.000 One of my favorite videos online is there's a raven or a crow, whichever one it was, who convinces these two cats to fight.

01:59:16.000 Instigates a fight.

01:59:17.000 I've seen that one, yes.

01:59:19.000 He goes to one cat, fucks with him, and then flies over to the other roof and fucks with the other cat and then goes back and forth until the cats decide they're never going to catch this bird, but they're so round up, they're so angry, they start going to war.

01:59:32.000 And the raven follows them.

01:59:34.000 The crow is like laughing while these guys are going to war.

01:59:38.000 Hugin and Munin, they are in the Eddas and all the Norse myths for a reason. 1.00

01:59:43.000 Yeah, they're smart as shit. 0.99

01:59:44.000 They go out and they bring things back to Odin. 0.99

01:59:47.000 Well, you've seen them do tricks, right?

01:59:48.000 Where they figure out how to use tools to get...

01:59:50.000 If you split their tongue, I think, it allows them to...

01:59:54.000 They can start to speak.

01:59:55.000 You can teach them to speak.

01:59:56.000 Look at this.

01:59:57.000 Research shows that crows and other corvids, a family of birds that includes ravens and magpies, know what they know and can ponder the content of their own minds.

02:00:08.000 According to a 2020 study in Estat, This is considered a cornerstone of self-awareness and shared by just a handful of animal species besides humans.

02:00:18.000 I wonder what the test entailed, that they can ponder the content of their own minds.

02:00:23.000 I know I saw an article talking about that chickens can actually be trained to have the intelligence of a toddler, like a three-year-old, where you can teach them to take shapes and put them in the right boxes and things like that.

02:00:37.000 Really?

02:00:38.000 Bro, I've never seen an animal more vicious than a chicken when it's confronted with a mouse.

02:00:43.000 Oh, I had four of them in Hollywood, of all things.

02:00:46.000 And I would watch them just annihilate lizards and what have you. 0.99

02:00:49.000 And then one time, this little chihuahua somehow, I don't know, got loose from its trophy wife or whatever.

02:00:55.000 It's Hollywoodite, and it's running around.

02:00:57.000 Oh my God, Precious, where'd you go?

02:00:59.000 And it ended up somehow in our backyard, cornered.

02:01:03.000 And we hear this noise.

02:01:05.000 I hear this...

02:01:05.000 The chickens are going crazy.

02:01:07.000 It's like, what the hell is going on out there?

02:01:09.000 This chihuahua is cornered with all four chickens just like... 0.98

02:01:13.000 Trying to eat it.

02:01:14.000 Going to take it apart if they don't act right.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, if you're small enough, a chicken will bust a move on you. 1.00

02:01:20.000 They're dinosaurs.

02:01:21.000 They really are.

02:01:22.000 They are such little creeps.

02:01:24.000 But, you know, we...

02:01:26.000 We think that we can compartmentalize everything we do. 0.90

02:01:30.000 Oh, I go and I work out because I want a six pack or I work out because, you know, we always have this external reason instead of an internal reason of I'm a human being and I need to fucking move.

02:01:42.000 I can't just sit here and be unable to open a jar. 0.99

02:01:46.000 That's pathetic. 0.93

02:01:47.000 A jar in and of itself is technology manifest. 1.00

02:01:51.000 And now I'm too weak to even operate the thing that's made to make my life fucking easier? 1.00

02:01:56.000 How do you get more pathetic than that? 0.98

02:01:58.000 Well, it's also just for the management of the mind, just to make sure that everything runs smoothly. 0.96

02:02:04.000 I 100% believe the body needs activity.

02:02:08.000 You need something.

02:02:10.000 You need something.

02:02:11.000 And I think the mind needs challenges too.

02:02:13.000 I don't think it's as simple as the body needs activity.

02:02:16.000 It's one of the reasons why discipline training, like endurance training, is so good for you because it trains the mind.

02:02:23.000 You don't think of a discipline activity like long distance running or any kind of deep, heavy endurance training.

02:02:31.000 It's a mind contest.

02:02:32.000 Yes, it is.

02:02:33.000 Because you're going to get to this point where it's either your mind decides that you're going to get it done Or you'd make a decision, it's not possible.

02:02:45.000 And when you're doing these kind of hard, strenuous activities, and I explain this to my fighters constantly, most of this incredibly hard training, it isn't so much about the body, it's about you telling yourself that I can go past what I thought my limitations were.

02:03:02.000 And it's such a throwaway concept in today's I think?

02:03:27.000 Even sitting here and you and me talking about this whole Chris Rock thing, me disagreeing on one end, you starting from another.

02:03:32.000 I don't think we really disagreed, though.

02:03:34.000 Not exactly, but even still, what do we have but a dialogue?

02:03:37.000 And we expressed all these different things.

02:03:41.000 People work just on that surface to begin with because that's how our...

02:03:48.000 Our heuristics work, right?

02:03:50.000 We don't have – until we have the opportunity to sit down and get into the deeper branches of all this where it starts from.

02:03:56.000 It's like an hourglass.

02:03:58.000 All these ideas come to this one point and then they can all break away into others.

02:04:02.000 And being able to have these conversations, to have people around you that you can have that – So to speak, conflict with is good.

02:04:10.000 This is part of the process.

02:04:12.000 Part of why I'm trying to track down Eric who I know is an incredibly busy person is because I want to talk to him so that he can challenge my ideas and vice versa and that we can get insights that we wouldn't have had otherwise because I want to try and get the most out of life and I want to get the most out of me and hopefully my friends think I'm helping them in the same way.

02:04:38.000 That's one of the things that's come out of this podcast for me that was, in a sense, accidental.

02:04:43.000 Because I started it out just to have fun and just talk with friends and have a good time.

02:04:48.000 And then along the way, it became a thing where I got to sit down with very intelligent people and pick their brains and get to see how their minds decipher the world.

02:04:58.000 And through that, I've learned so much about the way my own brain works and why you'll slide into one pattern or another pattern and it might not necessarily even be accurate or relative.

02:05:12.000 The way that people that are not being disingenuous describe your podcast as an exploration of ideas and conversations Is 100% true.

02:05:25.000 And last time I sat in here, which is also kind of funny, because I can't wait for everyone to be like, oh my god, I can't believe you did Joe Rogan. 0.97

02:05:30.000 I'm like, this is like my sixth time, assholes. 0.86

02:05:32.000 But it's, I said it last time, this right now is so fucking important, I cannot stress it anymore, that there is a place where people can come on here and have conversations and express ideas. 0.99

02:05:50.000 I don't give a fuck if you like them or not. 0.95

02:05:53.000 You have to interact with that which is the unknown and that which you don't even like. 0.99

02:05:57.000 When it came to things that I felt were fucked up or ideas or ideologies and philosophical contents that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:06:09.000 None of this reads okay in my book at all.

02:06:12.000 My position isn't to then go just read all the things and study all the things of people that hate it.

02:06:19.000 No, you've got to go to the source.

02:06:21.000 Go let it speak to you itself.

02:06:22.000 Find out why these people think the way they think.

02:06:24.000 And then once you've done that, now you can make your own decision.

02:06:27.000 At least you heard their arguments, hopefully, in the best way that they felt they could make them.

02:06:33.000 And being here, and especially seeing after, I mean, it's just so, to me, a lot of things are self-evident in terms of the actions that happen and what seems to be a really clear underlying reason why.

02:06:49.000 You catch COVID. You say, hey, I did this, and I'm good, and that was great.

02:06:56.000 I'm glad I'm not hurt.

02:06:57.000 This is what I did.

02:06:58.000 This is for all of you to understand what I went through.

02:07:02.000 So I'm helped in a way.

02:07:04.000 I saw it as Joe Rogan is giving his experience to try and bring something good into the world.

02:07:11.000 There was nothing framed about it in like, And you know, I did it with this one trick that they don't want you to know about.

02:07:19.000 It wasn't that kind of thing.

02:07:20.000 It was just simply a matter of, hey man, here's what I went through.

02:07:24.000 Here's what I did to the detail.

02:07:27.000 Hey man, I'm okay.

02:07:29.000 Take it for what you will.

02:07:30.000 I'm just trying to put things out into the ether to bring more things to the world.

02:07:35.000 Maybe it's going to help other people.

02:07:37.000 But the response was, hey, that's not the narrative. 1.00

02:07:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:07:42.000 You got to be destroyed. 1.00

02:07:44.000 And I'm like, that... 0.98

02:07:45.000 I mean, how does somebody not...

02:07:49.000 And then seeing people like, yeah, I see...

02:07:51.000 Exactly.

02:07:51.000 Joe Rogan's so evil.

02:07:52.000 He's such a bad person. 0.99

02:07:54.000 Wait a second. 0.61

02:07:55.000 We're literally in a pandemic.

02:07:57.000 A guy says, hey, I'm suffering in this too, but I did this and it seemed to work for me.

02:08:03.000 Hey, do something with it if you want.

02:08:06.000 Maybe this could be useful for you or other people or someone else could go, why don't we run this through some sort of controlled study as best as we can.

02:08:13.000 Let's try to use some potential positive opportunities to then apply it to other people.

02:08:19.000 But no, no, no, no.

02:08:21.000 That's not the way we've decided this has to be. 0.93

02:08:23.000 That's not the route that we have decided through propaganda and, you know, basically nudging and other things, you know, read Walter Lippmann's public opinion, go read Edward Bernays' propaganda and public relations, and then go see how this shit is fully applied through this concept of the cathedral at anything it determines is a heretic.

02:08:44.000 And it's like, well, is the point for us Through our actions to make the world a better place potentially or to have things out there for other people to use to maybe create their own benefit?

02:08:57.000 Or is the whole point of why we're doing this to create this structure for whatever oligarchs remain at the top to then decide how the world should exist for you and for you to then just go, okay, this is the punch card you've put into ENIAC right now.

02:09:14.000 This is what I'm going to do because you put it in.

02:09:16.000 You told me how I was supposed to act.

02:09:18.000 Yeah, it was an extreme time where people were so tested, like their ability to deal with adversity, their ability to deal with anxiety, all those were stressed to attend.

02:09:34.000 And people freaked out and they're looking for things to freak out about.

02:09:37.000 And when someone took what they think is like an alternative path, didn't get vaccinated, but got over COVID very quickly with a series of medications.

02:09:46.000 They thought that I was doing something evil.

02:09:48.000 And I'm like, look, I'm just telling you that this is what I did.

02:09:51.000 And they only focus on that one drug, too, which is so crazy.

02:09:55.000 Because that was the number one thing that was making the rounds that was counter-narrative.

02:10:01.000 And the cathedral, this concept of, like, essentially...

02:10:05.000 The idea was originally penned is all these emergent...

02:10:10.000 They're disassociated groups, but they all worship at the same church.

02:10:14.000 So they're all in the same religion anyways.

02:10:16.000 So they all have the same belief structure.

02:10:19.000 Although I tend to believe that there is actually some levels of collusion at the highest levels where there is some organization.

02:10:26.000 Don't tell me that the mainstream media doesn't talk to politicians or talk to this person or that person or speak with Bill Gates before they go on to think...

02:10:35.000 Well, they're 100%.

02:10:36.000 100% they are.

02:10:37.000 They're also 100% influenced by the companies that pay for their advertising.

02:10:41.000 Of course they are.

02:10:42.000 And we've seen all those ads.

02:10:44.000 And if there's one thing at the bottom of all this, when it came to COVID, one, we, as a people, especially in the West, Kali Yuga, we're afraid of death.

02:10:56.000 Death, violence, these are abstract ideas.

02:10:58.000 Now, these are things that happen to other people, not to us.

02:11:01.000 These are things that don't exist for me, they exist for someone over there.

02:11:05.000 And having that unhealthy relationship with death puts you in a really unhealthy relationship with being because you're denying an absolute.

02:11:14.000 You're denying your endpoint, whether you like it or not.

02:11:17.000 You're refusing to engage with something that is in your future.

02:11:23.000 When?

02:11:23.000 Don't know.

02:11:24.000 A lot of things go into that.

02:11:25.000 But with COVID, the denial of death was so strong and was pushing people to act so utterly irrational and erratic.

02:11:34.000 It was a great example of the decline of the West manifest. 0.95

02:11:41.000 And the fact that People don't have that internal security in like, well, you know, I've done my life.

02:11:50.000 I've lived my life.

02:11:51.000 I'm going to do the best that I can by the things that I think are the way to approach the world.

02:11:56.000 And when I die, I die.

02:11:58.000 I just hope that what I put into it was something that is now within everybody that was a part of my life and everybody that was a part of my life before that put into me.

02:12:08.000 I've put into them and it will live on.

02:12:10.000 And like the idea of Not necessarily a great chain of being, because it's kind of a different concept, but that I carry the fire for Jim Harrison.

02:12:21.000 I carry the fire for Fred Sato.

02:12:22.000 I carry the fire for Santia Noi.

02:12:24.000 All these people that have ever been in my life, I carry the fire for Carl Gotch and Billy Robinson.

02:12:29.000 And whatever I do, when I sit here on this podcast, Billy and Carl and Santia and all these folks, my dad, my grandfather, they're here with me.

02:12:38.000 As I speak to you, as I have what I have formulated in my way of being and my Dasein is here.

02:12:45.000 It's the same for anyone if you want to actually...

02:12:49.000 If you want to make this a part of who you are, if you really want to actualize everything that's been put into you and passed through, we don't...

02:12:59.000 I'm not just here on a rock spinning in space.

02:13:02.000 I'm an evolved monkey.

02:13:05.000 Living in this state of nihilism doesn't bring you anything but misery.

02:13:11.000 And you lose out on so much.

02:13:13.000 You don't just lose out on, let's say, success or especially material things.

02:13:20.000 No, you lose out on the deeper things, the spiritual things.

02:13:23.000 You lose out on the true beauty of the world.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, you do.

02:13:27.000 You lose out on what's amazing about being a person, is that you can meet people like yourself that have been tested and through that have developed these exceptional characters.

02:13:38.000 And because of your exceptional character, it makes for a fascinating friendship.

02:13:41.000 Well, yeah, I'd like to think so.

02:13:43.000 It does.

02:13:44.000 Me being your friend, I can tell you personally that.

02:13:47.000 I always use you as an example as an educated savage.

02:13:50.000 I know, I know. 0.99

02:13:51.000 And prior to coming on the podcast, my girlfriend will back it up on like, Oh, fuck, I'm actually nervous right now because, you know, we're buddies and we've been doing this for a while now, but now this shit is so fucking huge that it's like, 0.99

02:14:06.000 oh no, is everyone going to pour over every single little thing I say? 0.99

02:14:10.000 They will because there's more people pouring over it, but it's the same thing.

02:14:13.000 I do it the same way.

02:14:14.000 It's the same thing.

02:14:15.000 It's just a conversation.

02:14:16.000 It's true.

02:14:17.000 And, you know, she's asking me about, like, what time are you supposed to be there?

02:14:22.000 I'm like, I don't know.

02:14:23.000 You'll tell me. 0.98

02:14:24.000 And she's like, this is like the biggest fucking podcast in the world. 0.97

02:14:27.000 I go, I know, but it's my buddy. 0.98

02:14:30.000 We're the same.

02:14:31.000 It's my buddy.

02:14:32.000 If I become something different because it grew bigger, I'll quit. 0.98

02:14:36.000 If it gets to a point where I can't do it anymore, where I have to do it in some sort of weird way, where I walk on eggshells and mine my P's and Q's, fuck that. 0.94

02:14:47.000 No, I get you. 0.98

02:14:48.000 Yeah.

02:14:51.000 You need to be able to do whatever you're going to do with 100% sincerity.

02:14:55.000 And you need to be you.

02:14:58.000 Especially this.

02:14:59.000 This requires sincerity.

02:15:02.000 Without it, this show doesn't have any success.

02:15:04.000 Everybody's complaint...

02:15:07.000 We'll just say 99% of everyone's complaint on you, any criticism, is essentially they're putting insincerity on you.

02:15:22.000 That's really what it is.

02:15:24.000 Joe Rogan is this because of that.

02:15:25.000 Joe Rogan is that because of this.

02:15:26.000 And it's always from a concept of insincerity.

02:15:29.000 It isn't because of the actual content of your stuff, because they've decided, they've already packaged and framed up who you are and what you are and what you're talking about and why you're talking about it in a way that has insincerity and some sort of ulterior motive beyond This is me.

02:15:46.000 This is what I'm into.

02:15:48.000 This is what I believe now.

02:15:49.000 But yet, I'm gonna have people on here to talk to me about these things.

02:15:53.000 And yes, you will argue with people about stuff that you don't buy into.

02:15:58.000 You'll also allow yourself to be convinced. 0.99

02:16:02.000 And that's the thing, is that until you sit by and allow someone to show you these different ideas and approaches, even to understand, like, that's total bullshit. 0.97

02:16:12.000 You don't know it until you've allowed yourself to engage with it. 0.90

02:16:15.000 You don't know it until you really allow someone to express themselves openly.

02:16:18.000 And we live in an era where essentially everybody assumes everything is insincere, where people approach everything from, well, I have ulterior motives for what I want to do.

02:16:31.000 I want material gains.

02:16:32.000 I want this.

02:16:32.000 I want notoriety.

02:16:34.000 I want to be famous or what have you.

02:16:36.000 Not just I want to do something because I think it's a good thing to do and it intrigues me and I like it.

02:16:42.000 But the thing is when you do something like that because it's a good thing to do because it intrigues you and you like it, it resonates with people because they're so starving for that.

02:16:50.000 Because most of what you see, you see a lot of people that are cynical, and they think that everything is insincere, and you just find the thing that's the most acceptable to you that's also insincere.

02:17:00.000 And that's how we pick politicians. 0.96

02:17:02.000 Everyone's a grifter. 1.00

02:17:04.000 Everyone is bullshit except for my side. 1.00

02:17:07.000 Now we have two teams of morons, and they're supposedly, you know, oh, well, this guy, the reason why gas is going up is this, that, and the other. 1.00

02:17:17.000 It's because of this. 1.00

02:17:18.000 No, it's not.

02:17:20.000 The barrel of oil dropped at one point, and the price of gas still went up.

02:17:27.000 Sagar and Jetty has a really good analysis of what is causing the rise of gas prices.

02:17:34.000 I don't want to fuck it up, but I would guide people to go look up Rise—excuse me, that's their old show— Breaking Points, it's their new show with Crystal and Sager, and Sager breaks down in a very detailed and nuanced way what's going on.

02:17:51.000 To dumb it down to the simplest version I could think of, instead of telling everyone to buy EVs, and all of a sudden, hey, you got 50 grand laying around, just buy an EV. Or, like, we're going to have to cinch our belts up.

02:18:06.000 Yeah.

02:18:07.000 Hey, how about you just take away the excise taxes for right now? 0.97

02:18:09.000 Did you see some of the fucking hot takes on this from Bloomberg? 0.98

02:18:13.000 Because some of them were so- No way! 1.00

02:18:14.000 Bloomberg was stupid hot takes? 1.00

02:18:17.000 I can't believe that. 1.00

02:18:17.000 They were telling people that they should avoid chemotherapy for their dog. 1.00

02:18:23.000 That was one of them.

02:18:24.000 I'm not kidding. 0.97

02:18:25.000 Because I made a screenshot of it because it was so fucking crazy that I was like, that can't be what someone's actually saying people should do because- Because there's no fucking... 0.97

02:18:36.000 Because they're running out of money. 0.72

02:18:38.000 See if you can find that, Jamie, before I find the screenshot because I... I think it's in here.

02:18:43.000 I'm going to try to find it.

02:18:44.000 Well, it was a tweet.

02:18:46.000 And in the tweet, they had made a synopsis of what you need to be doing to make everything better.

02:18:52.000 You need to use archive.today when you pull these things up so you get no paywalls.

02:18:55.000 When I get a paywall, I know what to do.

02:18:57.000 It doesn't always come up right away.

02:19:00.000 I'm trying to find it.

02:19:01.000 Don't make the mainstream media money. 1.00

02:19:03.000 I make too many goddamn screenshots, unfortunately, of stupid shit. 1.00

02:19:08.000 So do I. Because I find so much of it. 1.00

02:19:11.000 It just drives me nuts.

02:19:12.000 Or a good meme drops in.

02:19:13.000 You're like, oh, I need that.

02:19:14.000 I need that.

02:19:15.000 I've got it in here somewhere.

02:19:17.000 I know it's close.

02:19:19.000 But...

02:19:19.000 Yeah, of course.

02:19:21.000 I mean, living in unreality, of course.

02:19:26.000 That's it.

02:19:27.000 Eat beans, take the bus.

02:19:29.000 Skip getting chemo for your sick dog. 1.00

02:19:31.000 See if you find the actual tweet, because it's so stupid, it makes me furious. 1.00

02:19:36.000 Yeah, fuck your animal companion that you've raised and that you love and loves you back. 1.00

02:19:41.000 Dude, let me tell you something. 1.00

02:19:42.000 Don't buy in bulk.

02:19:43.000 I would take out a loan before I left.

02:19:46.000 Try lentils instead of meat.

02:19:47.000 More nudging, by the way, to get you to stop eating animal products. 1.00

02:19:52.000 Yeah, what the fuck, man? 1.00

02:19:55.000 Nobody said this would be fun? 1.00

02:19:57.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:19:58.000 What does that mean? 1.00

02:19:59.000 Nobody said this would be fun.

02:20:01.000 Look at that.

02:20:02.000 Thanks, Dad.

02:20:02.000 Look at this.

02:20:03.000 Inflation stings most if you earn less than $300,000. 0.99

02:20:07.000 That's a lot of fucking money. 0.99

02:20:09.000 Here's how to deal. 1.00

02:20:10.000 Talk about being delusional and out of touch.

02:20:13.000 Inflation stings if you earn less than a third of a million dollars a year? 0.99

02:20:18.000 Yeah, no shit it stings. 0.99

02:20:20.000 Yeah, duh. 1.00

02:20:21.000 No shit. 0.99

02:20:21.000 But here's what you should do. 0.99

02:20:23.000 Take the bus, don't buy in bulk, try lentils instead of meat, and nobody said this would be fun. 0.96

02:20:28.000 Nobody said this was gonna fucking happen. 0.74

02:20:30.000 Yeah, nobody said it was gonna happen. 0.99

02:20:31.000 Nobody said that any of this shit was gonna go down. 0.95

02:20:33.000 By the way, no one said that we were gonna have some... 0.97

02:20:38.000 There's a plausibly lab-altered coronavirus released on the world.

02:20:46.000 No one said that we were gonna have a war in Ukraine, in Europe.

02:20:55.000 No one said that, but by the way, it's like, It's a shift.

02:20:58.000 COVID doesn't exist anymore because now we have the Ukraine war and so on and so on and so on.

02:21:02.000 There's always a constant new thing.

02:21:03.000 It's like, nope, that doesn't exist anymore.

02:21:05.000 Now this is this.

02:21:05.000 And the same people are tweeting about it incessantly.

02:21:08.000 Of course.

02:21:08.000 My favorite, some of my favorites are, was it Trump was talking to Zelensky, I guess, at one point?

02:21:15.000 There was phone calls like, oh, see this?

02:21:17.000 But Ukraine and Zelensky said, oh, he didn't force me to do anything or threaten me or whatever. 1.00

02:21:23.000 It's like, but you're just a corrupt imbecile and it doesn't matter what you have to say. 1.00

02:21:26.000 And now it's like, no, but you're actually the reincarnation of Rambo and Mother Teresa all at once. 1.00

02:21:32.000 So it's like, well, which is it?

02:21:33.000 I mean, is he a human being or is he just some sort of stand-in for whatever your narrative needs to be?

02:21:40.000 And then with inflation, I I saw an article, I don't remember who it was, Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or some other midwit news source.

02:21:48.000 It's like, oh, inflation is on the rise and that's a good thing.

02:21:52.000 Yeah, what?

02:21:54.000 Now, this is what I want to know. 1.00

02:21:55.000 What fucking world are you living in? 1.00

02:21:56.000 Is that, like, a hot take for clicks? 1.00

02:22:00.000 Is that, like, a clickbait thing?

02:22:02.000 Or is that...

02:22:03.000 Do you think, in the most cynical sense, it would be someone is giving them a narrative?

02:22:08.000 And it's like, I want you to make a good spin on why you don't have any money.

02:22:14.000 We don't have...

02:22:15.000 Yeah.

02:22:16.000 I mean, maybe.

02:22:17.000 But my personal opinion is it's...

02:22:22.000 If your upper echelon of elites are just managerial types, that they're rent seekers, they get into a position, all they do is they get rent off of it, they can't make, create, or build, or fix things.

02:22:38.000 Anything.

02:22:38.000 All they can do is manage.

02:22:40.000 They can push the papers along.

02:22:41.000 They can make the system grow.

02:22:44.000 They can put more managerials in.

02:22:46.000 They can solidify their position.

02:22:48.000 They can consolidate things, but they can't make stuff.

02:22:51.000 If there's a problem, they can't really fix it because, one, they're absolutely way too fucking slow at doing anything because there's so many steps in between all aspects to fix something like, I guess Flint has water now, but it took forever.

02:23:05.000 And by the way, I mean, most people have probably forgotten completely that there was an entire American city with poisoned water, and no one ever really followed up on, hey, guess what?

02:23:17.000 We did something about it.

02:23:19.000 Nobody said anything.

02:23:20.000 I don't know if they have done anything about it. 0.97

02:23:22.000 I read an article that said, because I looked up on it, I'm like, what the fuck happened with this?

02:23:25.000 And it's like, oh, yeah, actually, everything's good now, but... 0.97

02:23:28.000 But people in Flint have such low trust that they won't drink the water and he's still...

02:23:33.000 Well, they should have low trust.

02:23:35.000 Well, yeah, of course.

02:23:36.000 You remember when Obama went there and drank the water like a stunt?

02:23:40.000 Remember that?

02:23:41.000 It's one of my favorite weird moments because he sipped the water and it's the tiniest little bird sip.

02:23:50.000 Do I get a glass of water?

02:23:52.000 I'm thirsty.

02:23:53.000 This isn't even a stunt.

02:23:56.000 Michelle is here.

02:23:57.000 I'd like a glass of water.

02:23:58.000 She gave me this glass on our wedding night.

02:24:01.000 Come on, man.

02:24:01.000 Take a go.

02:24:02.000 You know what?

02:24:03.000 And yet, if it's one side, he's your God.

02:24:08.000 If it's another side, he's your devil.

02:24:10.000 And on both ends, it's like, guess what? 0.71

02:24:13.000 If Obama's the devil, and you think your guy's some sort of saint... 1.00

02:24:18.000 You're fucked. 1.00

02:24:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:19.000 You've got it all wrong. 1.00

02:24:20.000 Well, what he definitely is, is the best representation of an intelligent, articulate statesman who is a president of our lifetime, other than Clinton, and Clinton was kind of a sketchy dude who liked to fuck everybody. 0.99

02:24:32.000 Yes. 0.99

02:24:33.000 You know, it seems like Clinton...

02:24:34.000 All he is...

02:24:35.000 Can I get a glass of water?

02:24:36.000 Let me hear this.

02:24:37.000 Yeah.

02:24:37.000 Hold it from the beginning?

02:24:39.000 Can I hear it from the beginning?

02:24:40.000 Mm-hmm.

02:24:41.000 Electrolytes.

02:24:42.000 No, from the beginning.

02:24:43.000 Right.

02:24:44.000 This is a long video to get to hear.

02:24:47.000 Because he says, can I get a glass of water?

02:24:49.000 He goes back.

02:24:50.000 This is the part that's fun.

02:24:58.000 Can I get some water?

02:25:01.000 Imagine living in a city where your water is poisoned and you cheer.

02:25:05.000 And that's how much they love this guy.

02:25:08.000 I mean, when he was a president, at the very least, we knew that we had a super intelligent, very, like, he was composed.

02:25:18.000 You know what we knew we had?

02:25:19.000 We had a first-rate manager.

02:25:22.000 Yes.

02:25:23.000 Yes.

02:25:24.000 We felt like he was smarter than us.

02:25:25.000 Yeah, well, of course.

02:25:26.000 If I saw him on TV, I'm like, well, that seems like a president to me.

02:25:29.000 Look, I voted for him.

02:25:31.000 Yeah, I did too.

02:25:32.000 If you look at Joe Biden, unfortunately, you're looking at him and you're going, I don't know what he's capable of.

02:25:38.000 I don't think he's capable of figuring out problems. 1.00

02:25:42.000 I mean, he's saying crazy shit in the White House. 1.00

02:25:45.000 That's not what Joe means. 1.00

02:25:46.000 That's not what Joe means.

02:25:49.000 Not just across the U.S., but across the entire West.

02:25:52.000 We have the oligarchs, and they are all oligarchs.

02:25:55.000 Go read Political Parties by Robert McKells, and he will outline why every group, every group eventually becomes an oligarchy.

02:26:03.000 It is impossible for it not to, and especially in politics.

02:26:06.000 It's impossible.

02:26:07.000 It will always be an oligarchy.

02:26:08.000 Why is that?

02:26:09.000 Because in the realm of politics, okay, you got all this mass of people.

02:26:15.000 These people need to make a decision.

02:26:17.000 So at some point, they're going to go through some process of figuring out who they want their representatives to be because everyone can't speak at once.

02:26:25.000 Someone's got to distill the messages and what have you.

02:26:27.000 And people don't want to work in a gigantic collective of everything.

02:26:32.000 At some point, somebody is going to be either the natural born leader or they're going to make them the leader because it isn't for everyone.

02:26:39.000 And it's not even to everyone's capabilities to be the leader or to be the spokesperson to deal with The conflict from argumentation and so on and so forth, and to be the person to stand up and to get people to believe, like, if he says to do it, I'll do it.

02:26:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:55.000 Also, you then also start to have things like, alright, We live in a liberal democratic republic.

02:27:02.000 So you're going to need in politics, oh, I need someone to run my campaign.

02:27:07.000 I need someone to do this.

02:27:08.000 So you start getting the division of labor in and amongst even your political party itself to then handle all these specific tasks and get specialized people to do it.

02:27:17.000 Well, then they also then become part of that oligarchy because...

02:27:22.000 It can't just be Joe Schmo and Betty Nobody.

02:27:25.000 It's got to be somebody that is either A, capable of being the person that's the campaign manager and the speech writer.

02:27:32.000 Script writer.

02:27:33.000 One and the same.

02:27:34.000 Kind of the same.

02:27:34.000 All these different things.

02:27:36.000 And this is all working towards your...

02:27:39.000 Your upper echelon to go out there and to represent on your behalf.

02:27:42.000 And especially in America, which is a representative republic, it's a representative democracy, somebody is there on your behalf.

02:27:50.000 Although there is a jillion unelected non-democratic officials like a Fauci or what have you that are out there making all kinds of rules, doing all kinds of things that you have no say in and you get to do nothing about it.

02:28:07.000 The thing is, as Mikels points out, it always, eventually, either by necessity or just by nature, every group becomes an oligarchy, always.

02:28:20.000 And the thing about it is, okay, well, if it is an oligarchy, one, you should be truthful about it and not try to lie to everyone and say, like, oh, no, no, we all have a say in this. 1.00

02:28:29.000 No, the fuck you don't. 1.00

02:28:30.000 You don't. 1.00

02:28:33.000 We do.

02:28:34.000 And if we don't like the sound of that, we ain't changing it.

02:28:37.000 Period.

02:28:39.000 And instead, in this modern age, what we'll do is we'll get the cathedral to go and tell you how you're supposed to think.

02:28:45.000 And then you'll come around to us or we'll nudge you until eventually you come to the point that, you know what?

02:28:50.000 Eating meat is bad.

02:28:52.000 You know, why?

02:28:53.000 Because reasons and studies and statistics and, you know.

02:28:56.000 Right.

02:28:56.000 Climate.

02:28:57.000 Climate is one.

02:28:58.000 And it's like climate becomes more of a vehicle to insert particular political ideologies more than it has anything to do with saving the planet.

02:29:06.000 Yeah.

02:29:06.000 And that's part of the problem with any cause that we have that's a giant national cause.

02:29:11.000 They use them.

02:29:13.000 They manipulate them.

02:29:13.000 You know?

02:29:14.000 It's like whenever any sort of tragic event happens.

02:29:18.000 Yep.

02:29:18.000 There's a lot of times people think that, oh, maybe it was orchestrated because you see how these people are using this event.

02:29:24.000 No, that's like their default mechanism.

02:29:26.000 They take advantage of chaos and of any kind of big event to implement ideas they already had. 0.95

02:29:32.000 Like when 9-11 happened, one of the things about the Patriot Act, there was a bunch of shit they were already trying to pass through. 0.84

02:29:39.000 And they couldn't get it before 9-11. 0.96

02:29:41.000 Nope.

02:29:41.000 But once 9-11 came along, they go, hey, now we got our shot.

02:29:44.000 Yep.

02:29:44.000 Let's get in this mass surveillance.

02:29:46.000 Let's start fucking ramping up our security state. 0.98

02:29:50.000 Hey, Saudi Arabia funded a bunch of these guys to get all their training and all this kind of stuff. 0.98

02:29:55.000 Our funding came through Saudi Arabia.

02:29:56.000 And then, you know, we're doing all this stuff with military arms and all this backing and supporting of Saudi Arabia.

02:30:09.000 We go to Saudi Arabia and say, hey, can you put more oil?

02:30:11.000 And they go, nah.

02:30:13.000 That's recently, right?

02:30:14.000 Yep.

02:30:15.000 I don't know what's happening there because I'm only reading headlines in that because it's too much.

02:30:19.000 Well, for one, I mean, not to get all into the Ukraine, but it's fog of war.

02:30:25.000 You just can't know it.

02:30:26.000 And now with our massive media state You're going to only know what they want you to know.

02:30:34.000 And to be able to get through and try to even understand some semblance of truth is going to be incredibly difficult.

02:30:40.000 And at the end of the day, you have innocents dying on both ends for reasons that don't seem to be, you know...

02:30:51.000 Logical.

02:30:51.000 I want to recommend a podcast to people because a lot of people recommend it to me and I'm in the middle of it right now and it's excellent.

02:30:57.000 It's about Ukraine.

02:30:59.000 If you want to get an understanding of what's happening, why it's happening, it's called the Marty Maid Podcast.

02:31:05.000 Excuse me, Martyr Maid. 0.83

02:31:09.000 Martyr made podcast and it's called thoughts on Ukraine updated and remastered and It's very well thought out very It's very intense.

02:31:22.000 I'd like to add listen to Samo Burja Burja's conversation.

02:31:27.000 He had Samo s-a-m-o-b-u-r-j-a He has a company that is centered around Analyzing all world events and politics and everything and trying to Bismarck analytics.

02:31:45.000 And I'd also say Michael Malice and Curtis Yarvin on You're Welcome.

02:31:49.000 Michael Malice is great.

02:31:50.000 He's a good dude.

02:31:51.000 I'd like to meet him at some point.

02:31:52.000 I want to argue with him about...

02:31:53.000 He's out here.

02:31:54.000 Oh, well, I'll try and, you know, track him down.

02:31:56.000 Lex...

02:32:01.000 I like to talk to him about anarcho-capitalism and anarchy in general and why it doesn't work.

02:32:07.000 But I also respect him in a lot of ways for putting his opinions out there.

02:32:12.000 And look, if he's friends with Lex and he's friends with you and he's friends with my other buddy, Ethan, No, you'll love him.

02:32:20.000 He's a great guy.

02:32:21.000 And Yarvin, as smeared and misunderstood as he is, I think has a lot of interesting insight.

02:32:28.000 And I also think that, you know, just for your own sake, not just Ukraine or any, but for any understanding and getting a better idea on all about how, especially the West works on a political level, read James Burnham's The Machiavellian's.

02:32:42.000 It is the easiest way to get Familiarized with the thinkings of what's called the Italian elite theorists, Gaetano Mosca, Vilfredo Pareto, and Robert Michels.

02:32:57.000 And they look at politics from the perspective of power, but from also the perspective of how these things work, especially in a democratic sense, and how even though the concept of what we call liberalism Which,

02:33:16.000 as an aside note, I hate it when people call leftism liberalism or leftist liberals.

02:33:21.000 I'm like, no, everybody in America essentially is a liberal because we are a liberal society.

02:33:26.000 We are built on classic English liberalism that is the bedrock of who we are.

02:33:31.000 I think we're good to go.

02:33:47.000 At some point, this all goes away and the oligarchs and the managerial class decide everything for you.

02:33:54.000 And you think that what you're doing is going to influence these things, but it doesn't.

02:33:59.000 You think that when, oh, there's this big, you know, uprising of populist movement of against this or that, it's like, yeah, it was all astroturfed.

02:34:08.000 I'm sure somebody in the elite class somewhere funded it.

02:34:11.000 The government either put rules in place to...

02:34:15.000 I think?

02:34:32.000 At the end of the day, human beings organize themselves in such a way that there's always a representative at some point.

02:34:39.000 And be it a king, be it a president, be it an elite managerial class, that's how it's going to happen.

02:34:47.000 And once a managerial class sets itself up, the only thing it wants to do especially is manage because it's not there to create.

02:34:53.000 It's not there to fix.

02:34:56.000 No, it's there to continue management and to ensure, most of all, that they stay there.

02:35:02.000 That they don't lose their positions.

02:35:04.000 And so a lot of what I saw COVID as, like, this is managerialism manifest.

02:35:07.000 It's not about whether this is healthy or that's healthy or we could make this change or, okay, what we didn't know, an overreaction makes sense.

02:35:16.000 It's the unknown.

02:35:17.000 And even despite our massive fear of death in modernity in the Kali Yuga, We still need to approach things, the unknown, as like, it's the unknown. 0.99

02:35:31.000 The fuck if I know what's really gonna happen? 0.98

02:35:33.000 Yeah, I'm probably gonna overreact. 0.99

02:35:36.000 Until I know more, until I've had a little bit more time, then I can readjust.

02:35:40.000 But the readjustment really never happened very – definitely didn't happen with any sort of real speed because the managerial class is sitting back like, we cannot make a mistake on this in any way where it can be used against us,

02:35:55.000 regardless if it's small or large, right or wrong.

02:35:59.000 If it was right, I guess it wouldn't even be a mistake.

02:36:01.000 But any way that it could be used as ammo against us to lose our position to our enemies.

02:36:06.000 Because all politics breaks down into a friend-enemy distinction.

02:36:11.000 And that who is along with my narrative is my friend and that who is against it is my enemy.

02:36:17.000 Because if you're against it, that means you could then use it to somehow say, I don't deserve to be here.

02:36:22.000 And if I lose my spot in the managerial...

02:36:25.000 I've lost, and all this way of rent-seeking is now taken from me, and that's all I do anyways because I'm not capable of probably starting a successful car company where I redesign suspension.

02:36:39.000 No, no.

02:36:40.000 All I know how to do, I go to school, I get raised up through this managerial oligarchic class, I go to the right schools, I say all the right things, I join the right clubs, I get primed to go into places.

02:36:53.000 Then I get to become a managerial myself.

02:36:55.000 And when I'm in politics, I'm part of that managerial oligarchic class, and then when I leave politics, I'm still in it because now I'm working at Pfizer when I used to be a part of whatever, like the...

02:37:05.000 FDA. Yeah, or this, and I'm going back and forth between the two.

02:37:09.000 I'm doing all this stuff for Monsanto, then I'm president, then I go back to it, and then I get to go and do dinners While I'm in office at $30,000, $50,000 a plate and rake in all this cash and then go back to me and telling you about how you need to cinch your belts about this or that or any number of reasons,

02:37:30.000 any other scenarios you can come up with.

02:37:35.000 That managerial class of person isn't capable of then coming down here and running a simple podcast.

02:37:42.000 No, their podcast has to be backed by parts of the cathedral that then back the managerial class to allow them to continue to push the same narratives that their class wants you to push and put things out there the way that they think is beneficial to them.

02:38:00.000 So they can then go back to being a manager in some other way.

02:38:03.000 And it's like the homeless problem in LA. Every time I see someone rallying for they're going to go for some office, I'm like, well, I'm going to do this.

02:38:10.000 I'm going to build this low-income housing.

02:38:11.000 How are you going to put a paranoid schizophrenic on crack in a low-income housing?

02:38:15.000 How are you going to do that? 0.99

02:38:16.000 You basically don't really give a shit about all these people in the street suffering. 0.91

02:38:20.000 You think that it's okay for a person to live this way, you know, deranged in their own head, self-medicating and living in filth as long as you create some boondoggle where you've got a bunch of property development people that are making money off of it and you're making money off of it and your little shadow corp or whatever is making money. 0.98

02:38:39.000 It's just like, you have to be a Machiavellian To do that and sit back and then walk out on those streets if you're Maxine Waters.

02:38:48.000 And I was in her district not long ago and it's like, wow.

02:38:51.000 She don't come around.

02:38:53.000 Got nothing to do with any of this. 1.00

02:38:55.000 That area is a fucking holy mess. 0.99

02:38:59.000 All of LA is turning into a holy mess, Joe. 1.00

02:39:01.000 I have a buddy that comes from frickin' Staten Island, and he goes, what the fuck, dude? 1.00

02:39:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:39:08.000 I go, this is how we run things here.

02:39:12.000 We don't fix problems.

02:39:13.000 It's getting worse.

02:39:14.000 We just create them.

02:39:14.000 Yeah, it increases.

02:39:16.000 You know, I never had this perspective on homelessness.

02:39:19.000 I always thought that the problem was just really big, and if they had more money, they'd be able to solve it.

02:39:24.000 Sorry.

02:39:26.000 I think you just need more whiskey.

02:39:27.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:39:29.000 But then my friend Coleon Noir pointed out that he's a lawyer, and he went to San Francisco, and he was talking to these people up there about the homeless problem, and they laid out, they go, no, no, no.

02:39:41.000 This is a giant money-making scam.

02:39:44.000 The reason why it's never going to go away is that there's a large payroll of people that are making exorbitant amounts of money to deal with the homeless.

02:39:53.000 Now, those people would have no job.

02:39:55.000 Nope.

02:39:55.000 If the homeless problem was somehow or another solved, and I'm like, how much money are they making?

02:39:59.000 So he pulls up this fucking list of people in LA, and there's people on the list that make a quarter million dollars a year, and they're not doing a good job. 0.86

02:40:09.000 Obviously, the homeless situation is bigger and bigger every year. 0.99

02:40:12.000 Seattle, too.

02:40:13.000 The budget keeps getting bigger and bigger, and then these people make more and more money, and it never gets solved.

02:40:18.000 No, of course not, because solving it, one, they're not capable of solving it.

02:40:22.000 They're rent-seeking managerials. 1.00

02:40:24.000 They can't solve shit. 1.00

02:40:26.000 Russell, how do you solve like what you said? 1.00

02:40:28.000 How do you take a schizophrenic crack addict?

02:40:30.000 I think the only way that I can think of is, one, you'd have to basically essentially outlaw homelessness and say, look, especially in a metropolitan, dense, populated area, you cannot have homelessness like this because One,

02:40:49.000 you can't have people out here suffering like this. 0.99

02:40:51.000 That's fucked up. 0.99

02:40:52.000 It's not okay. 1.00

02:40:53.000 Number two, those people are a potential criminal problem, too.

02:40:58.000 And there's a health hazard.

02:41:00.000 Number three, it's a health hazard because you have all these populations intermingled with each other, but they're not going and getting healthcare and other things.

02:41:10.000 I mean, they can't take care of themselves.

02:41:12.000 Yeah.

02:41:16.000 Yeah.

02:41:20.000 Yeah.

02:41:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:41:32.000 Ugly, disgusting, unlivable. 0.95

02:41:34.000 And look, what you live around absolutely affects the way you feel, but it also affects the way you interact with the environment around you. 1.00

02:41:44.000 If you think you live in fucking barter town, you're going to act like it's barter town. 0.98

02:41:50.000 Right. 1.00

02:41:50.000 Period. 1.00

02:41:51.000 You're going to tag every fucking thing up with every sloppy, shitty fucking tag. 1.00

02:41:55.000 You're going to throw your trash out. 1.00

02:41:57.000 You're not going to care. 1.00

02:41:58.000 You just, you know, oh, that's just another homeless guy instead of being like, God damn, you know? 0.99

02:42:03.000 Another fellow human being. 0.98

02:42:04.000 Why is this person suffering on the street?

02:42:05.000 Well, you know why they're suffering on the street?

02:42:07.000 Could be a number of things, but it ain't the regular narrative that, oh, they just fell on hard times.

02:42:13.000 Right.

02:42:14.000 I fell on hard times and then all of a sudden believe people are trying to get them or they're bipolar to such a degree that they're harming themselves and others.

02:42:21.000 No, the only thing I can think of is you'd have to make it essentially illegal. 0.98

02:42:25.000 You would have to create a big ass camp and you would have to round these folks up, clean them up because a person that can't bathe themselves is a massive fucking thing. 1.00

02:42:38.000 Human beings want to be able to clean themselves, feel like they've refreshed who they are. 0.99

02:42:43.000 You gotta give them psychiatric treatment.

02:42:44.000 You gotta help them get off the drugs.

02:42:46.000 You gotta help them give them drugs if they need them for these things that are ailing their mental state, that are keeping them in this broken realm of suffering that doesn't allow them to actualize who they are.

02:43:02.000 Then you have to give them a work opportunity because human beings need to do something.

02:43:06.000 So in and amongst that, maybe it's just, to me, I think, oh, it's beautification.

02:43:12.000 Cleaning up all the graffiti, cleaning up the trash, giving someone something to do, pay them some sort of a small wage because you're covering all their, now you're covering their living quarters and all this stuff.

02:43:24.000 And you're giving them medication, you're giving them help, getting them off of drugs.

02:43:28.000 The state has credit unions and all these things.

02:43:32.000 You open an account in their name.

02:43:33.000 Now they're getting a bit of money for everything they go out and do.

02:43:36.000 Now if they want to at some time, they can go, okay, you're clean.

02:43:39.000 You're good to go.

02:43:40.000 You know what medications you need.

02:43:42.000 You're in the system.

02:43:43.000 Go take the money.

02:43:44.000 Go do what you want to do with it.

02:43:46.000 Or maybe integrate into the program and now you can help other people.

02:43:50.000 Maybe now you can start going to school.

02:43:53.000 Go into psychology and psychiatry.

02:43:55.000 Maybe then at some point you could be the person that's diagnosing this person, trying to help them out and get them off the street.

02:44:01.000 And you create this process that tries to get people from this position of being deranged and in the dirt to...

02:44:09.000 Able to have some kind of way of actualizing their life and making their own rational decisions.

02:44:14.000 Well, they've done something about it here in Austin, and I had a long conversation with the mayor about it here, and one of his points is that Austin only had about 2,000 homeless people.

02:44:27.000 And he's like, 2,000, maybe 3,000 homeless people.

02:44:29.000 And he's like, we can fix that.

02:44:31.000 That can be worked.

02:44:32.000 He goes, when it gets to the state where Los Angeles is, when you're dealing with several hundred thousand people potentially, I don't know what the real number is.

02:44:41.000 He goes, it's too much.

02:44:42.000 It's insurmountable.

02:44:43.000 But at some point, you got to sit back and go, We can find every reason to spend inordinates amounts.

02:44:49.000 I mean, I drove by, and Officer Coughlin, who I was doing a ride-along with, he shows me this new container homes that they're building.

02:44:58.000 He goes, you know how much that one up on the top is going for?

02:45:01.000 How much the cost is that?

02:45:02.000 $600,000.

02:45:03.000 What?

02:45:04.000 For a container home?

02:45:05.000 Yeah.

02:45:06.000 Where is it?

02:45:10.000 Yeah, it's like they're all stacked on each other and all this kind of stuff.

02:45:16.000 But it's like, you really think you're going to get a paranoid schizophrenic to go live in this?

02:45:21.000 Or even just a drug addict.

02:45:22.000 Because now it's like, well, they ran this experiment in Seattle and they put these little shelters up and almost didn't use them.

02:45:30.000 Because one, if you're a paranoid schizophrenic or something, some neurodivergent on that level...

02:45:36.000 I'm sure you're just like, that doesn't seem like a wise idea for someone to know exactly where I'm at at all times.

02:45:41.000 Right.

02:45:41.000 If you're even just considering the fact of that what you're doing with drugs and maybe prostitution or whatever is illegal, well, now the cops know where you are in your mind.

02:45:50.000 I don't want to be there.

02:45:51.000 Right.

02:45:52.000 So it didn't work.

02:45:53.000 It didn't do anything.

02:45:54.000 Not only that, when you're living in Los Angeles, you can exist in a tent.

02:45:57.000 It doesn't really get cold enough to kill you.

02:45:59.000 That's true.

02:46:00.000 It's not that big a deal.

02:46:00.000 Or you roll up an RV and you just sit there and you chill out there.

02:46:07.000 It's a fucked up problem. 1.00

02:46:09.000 It is a fucked up problem. 0.99

02:46:10.000 I wanted to, because we're running out of time, but I wanted to bring up this one thing that you brought up earlier, because I think there's, you made a really good point, but I think there's more to it. 0.99

02:46:17.000 When you're talking about people that want to avoid death, and that this is like a main component of our life, is like no one wants to die, you want to avoid death, you don't even think about it.

02:46:29.000 Do you think that because of the fact that we don't experience death the way maybe some primitive cultures did, that we have disconnected with it?

02:46:41.000 We don't think of it as this inevitable, unavoidable thing?

02:46:45.000 Instead, we think of it almost like something that's not going to happen to me?

02:46:48.000 And that, like, if you think about, like, the Spartans, when the Spartans would meet someone who was 30 years old, they would treat them with extreme distrust.

02:46:54.000 Like, how are you alive?

02:46:56.000 Like, how have you made it to 30?

02:46:58.000 They thought that person maybe was like a traitor or an enemy or a coward or someone who avoided conflict.

02:47:03.000 Like, how did you ever get to be this old and not get killed in battle?

02:47:09.000 We don't see a lot of death here.

02:47:12.000 And I think because of that, in most places, because of that, we don't have the same sort of resolve about the inevitability of death that I think some cultures do have.

02:47:23.000 Well, modernity...

02:47:25.000 Is a major cause to this.

02:47:29.000 But let's just say specifically in the West, like I said earlier, death is an abstract concept.

02:47:34.000 It's something that happens to other people in some faraway place that doesn't exist around me, be it war, famine, or even just natural causes.

02:47:42.000 We know people die, but we're never ready for it.

02:47:46.000 We never expect it.

02:47:47.000 And then when it happens, it's like, oh no, don't touch it.

02:47:52.000 Don't touch it or it'll get on you.

02:47:54.000 But the thing is, so a friend of mine, one of my best friends, his dad is, well, he's not in his best place mentally and physically.

02:48:08.000 And my buddy, he looks at it like, you know what?

02:48:13.000 I'm going to do my best for my father as much as I can.

02:48:15.000 And I'm going to help him in every way that is possible. 0.81

02:48:18.000 But he is going to die.

02:48:20.000 And he doesn't know when.

02:48:22.000 He doesn't know, especially because it could take all kinds of turns at places that he doesn't know and he can't necessarily expect.

02:48:30.000 But...

02:48:33.000 At the end of the day, we just sat down there, we looked each other in the eye, and I just said, look, whatever, whenever, however, just call me, and I'll be there.

02:48:40.000 And we'll take him, and we'll do what needs to be done.

02:48:44.000 If we're going to bury him on his own land, if we're going to do this, we're going to do that.

02:48:47.000 Are you allowed to do that?

02:48:48.000 I don't know.

02:48:49.000 But all I know is this.

02:48:51.000 When the people that are of my tribe, of my family, of my things in life are there, when death greets them, I'll be there with them.

02:48:59.000 And when they're When their body is without life, I will not treat them as if it is something that I don't want to get on me.

02:49:07.000 I will hold that hand, cold as it may be, and I will know that this too is for me.

02:49:14.000 And in this moment, I will not let this person be, I will not let this person essentially be alone.

02:49:25.000 I'm not afraid of death, not my death, not other people's death, not death in general, because it's not like I'm so tough or cool or unafraid of anything.

02:49:34.000 It is just that I've accepted this.

02:49:37.000 I live my life in a way where death is beside me at all times. 0.99

02:49:42.000 I remember having to have an MRI for something, and I'm like, oh shit, you know, some heavy shit was going on. 0.96

02:49:50.000 And I told someone, I go, you know, the only thing I thought of at that moment was, you know what? 0.99

02:49:57.000 The only thing that matters to me is I refuse to die a coward's death. 0.55

02:50:01.000 That's it. 0.97

02:50:02.000 That is it.

02:50:03.000 I don't care anything else. 0.95

02:50:04.000 I will not die a coward's death. 0.99

02:50:06.000 I will meet death head on. 0.90

02:50:08.000 I will face it.

02:50:09.000 I will hold its hand.

02:50:10.000 And when I have to walk that way, if I get to go to Valhalla, if that's a thing that exists, that's where I'm going.

02:50:15.000 And I'm not doing it like a coward.

02:50:17.000 I'm going to accept it.

02:50:18.000 And there we go.

02:50:20.000 Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to roll over.

02:50:21.000 That doesn't mean anything else other than Death is here with me at all times and everyone else, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

02:50:29.000 And the difference is I'm here to live life.

02:50:33.000 I'm here to face death squarely and accept it and then get everything I can out of being here.

02:50:42.000 That doesn't mean go crazy hedonistically.

02:50:43.000 I got to get it all in before I... No, no, no.

02:50:46.000 That just means I'm going to let the beauty of the world enshrine and enshroud me...

02:50:50.000 Because it's all I got.

02:50:52.000 And if I get to get reincarnated, cool.

02:50:55.000 If I go to some sort of Shangri-La, fine.

02:50:58.000 I don't know what any of that could be.

02:51:00.000 And I don't care if it doesn't exist.

02:51:03.000 I don't care.

02:51:04.000 I don't care if there's a heaven.

02:51:05.000 I don't care if there's a hell.

02:51:06.000 What I care about is living to my principles.

02:51:10.000 Being a person that is of honor and respect to those he interacts with and those that he loves and that are part of his life.

02:51:21.000 And beyond that, I just have to accept where I fail.

02:51:26.000 Own it and move forward.

02:51:28.000 That's it.

02:51:29.000 And what you're saying sounds noble and honorable and it's a great thing, but it also sounds incredibly rare.

02:51:38.000 And I think that's one of the unique things about this time is that people that are accepting reality, accepting the inevitability of their own demise and trying to live life by principles and by ethics and a strict code of honor.

02:51:55.000 It's rare today.

02:51:56.000 It's rare because Genon, Nietzsche, Spengler have all seen and sorted out how we have, through the comforts and the malaise of modernity, found ways to divorce ourselves from all these things.

02:52:13.000 To not have to have it.

02:52:15.000 We live in a culture without honor at any point anymore.

02:52:18.000 Or when we have honor, it's this. 0.99

02:52:22.000 Exacerbated perversion of it where we come storming out of our fucking seat at the Oscars. 1.00

02:52:27.000 We slap a tiny comedian who we know the motherfucker has known for I don't know how long. 1.00

02:52:35.000 And then we rant and we scream in our seat after the fact. 0.98

02:52:38.000 Instead of meeting the man face to face, looking him in his eye, having a conversation with him, and allowing him even the opportunity to say, Hey man, I really didn't mean anything by it.

02:52:50.000 I thought it was a pretty simple, harmless joke.

02:52:53.000 Especially because it's still even in the vein of movies and acting.

02:52:56.000 And you know what?

02:52:58.000 I'm sorry.

02:52:58.000 I didn't mean to hurt her feelings.

02:53:01.000 And I didn't know this was such a serious thing for you.

02:53:03.000 And that's that.

02:53:05.000 And you know what?

02:53:07.000 Allowing somebody to have that kind of humility or that... 0.98

02:53:10.000 Everybody loves to fucking throw around the word empathy all the time. 0.89

02:53:14.000 Nobody knows what it actually means. 0.98

02:53:16.000 That's empathy.

02:53:18.000 Empathy is not letting all of the digital world infiltrate your person and then you going and throwing out all this emotional attachment and taking it onto yourself so now you can be spun out of control and running around now having to see therapists 24-7 because you've now done something that the human body is not meant to do,

02:53:39.000 which is try to interact with this simulacra As if it is actual reality for you.

02:53:47.000 Right.

02:53:47.000 Without all of the context of being a person, without social cues, without the emotional connection you have when you're having a conversation with a person.

02:53:56.000 Look, that person on the other side of that Instagram account, unless you actually know them, Is not an actual person.

02:54:05.000 That is not a person.

02:54:06.000 That is a simulacra of that person.

02:54:08.000 Yeah, it's a vague representation of their real thoughts. 0.99

02:54:11.000 And they might be fucking with you. 0.99

02:54:13.000 They might be trolling. 1.00

02:54:14.000 They might be bored at work.

02:54:15.000 It is the persona, the Jungian persona they want to put out.

02:54:18.000 To the world.

02:54:19.000 That is not who they are.

02:54:21.000 Yeah.

02:54:21.000 That is a giant problem with social media today.

02:54:23.000 It's like that becomes a goal.

02:54:25.000 It becomes a goal to be the baller on social media and to have this life that's at least...

02:54:34.000 It seems unattainable.

02:54:36.000 Well, I mean, you can find inspirational quote right below some chick that's just showing you all of her goods. 1.00

02:54:44.000 Or inspirational quote besides some guy trying to ape the version of masculinity that they think is the prime example of it.

02:54:55.000 Yeah, something that's really going to make you wild.

02:54:57.000 So you just have fake on top of fake on top of more fake.

02:55:00.000 And why would it not be fake when the ability to sincerely and accurately know and actuate those things is lost?

02:55:09.000 Yeah.

02:55:11.000 Yeah, it's such a strange thing to have as a primary influence.

02:55:16.000 If you think of our culture, that's one of the primary influences is the image projected by social media.

02:55:23.000 It's a giant part.

02:55:24.000 I mean, we even call them influencers, which is kind of crazy.

02:55:28.000 And why, you know, when it came to doing whiskey, per se, when they approached me, I said, that sounds great.

02:55:37.000 I got to drink it and I got to meet you guys.

02:55:38.000 Otherwise, we got nothing to talk about.

02:55:41.000 And so I went up there.

02:55:42.000 I met with them.

02:55:44.000 Not only did I realize they were already making a great product, but then with bringing me on board.

02:55:50.000 And even then, at the time, David, the head distiller, was like, you know, I wasn't really quite sure about all this. 0.99

02:55:56.000 And I thought you were just going to be some fucking guy. 0.99

02:55:59.000 But then here you are. 0.99

02:56:01.000 Milling the grains and doing this and watched me with this guy from Bourbon Review do a double-blind taste test back-to-back.

02:56:09.000 I picked the same barrels and the same notes and I could find the whiskey that I wanted to be the one that we released.

02:56:16.000 He's like, okay.

02:56:18.000 So how did they do that? 0.99

02:56:19.000 So they gave you a bunch of bullshit whiskeys in yours and you had to taste which one was it? 0.99

02:56:23.000 No, in this case, what it was, we had three barrels to choose from. 0.99

02:56:26.000 And all right.

02:56:28.000 Which one's gonna be the single barrel?

02:56:30.000 So I tasted all three, took my notes, and then I said, you know, barrel seven.

02:56:35.000 This is the one we're gonna go with for batch one.

02:56:39.000 And then Will from Bourbon Review at the time, he goes, all right, let's do this again.

02:56:44.000 Now I'm going to mix them up.

02:56:45.000 I ain't going to tell you which ones they are.

02:56:47.000 Taste them and then pick them.

02:56:49.000 And I picked seven again as my choice, and then eight and then nine.

02:56:52.000 So I picked them all in the same order that I ranked them before at the same time. 0.99

02:56:56.000 And it was like, okay, well then, yeah, I guess seven's the fucking one. 0.97

02:57:01.000 How do you do that? 0.99

02:57:02.000 Do you have to clean your palate in between?

02:57:04.000 You do, and there's a couple tricks.

02:57:07.000 One is soda water is pretty good at cleaning your palate.

02:57:10.000 Two, I mean...

02:57:13.000 Being very aware of what you eat before you go and do it and not eating something that's heavily spiced or something that's really...

02:57:20.000 If you're trying to do a tasting, you don't want to do something where all these flavors and everything over...

02:57:24.000 Like, don't smoke a cigar and then try and go and do a cigar tasting.

02:57:27.000 A whiskey tasting.

02:57:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:57:30.000 The other thing I found was you could...

02:57:33.000 I saw this on a YouTube video.

02:57:34.000 You could smell...

02:57:37.000 The inside of your elbow, and that can kind of help reset.

02:57:40.000 What?

02:57:40.000 It helps reset your olfactory senses.

02:57:42.000 The inside of your elbow?

02:57:43.000 Yeah.

02:57:44.000 Because it's you.

02:57:45.000 You're smelling you all the time.

02:57:47.000 Okay.

02:57:48.000 I've seen people use things with coffee and coffee beans to smell and something to reset your nose.

02:57:56.000 But there's other little tricks for tasting.

02:57:58.000 You put a small amount in the glass, shake it, get it on your hands, rub it, smell, then shake it, smell, taste a little bit because as soon as that alcohol hits your tongue, if it's the first drink, that alcohol hitting your tongue is like,

02:58:13.000 whoa, okay.

02:58:14.000 That's interesting.

02:58:15.000 Let it settle.

02:58:17.000 Then take another little sip.

02:58:18.000 Now, move it all around your mouth, they call it chewing, and then swallow, and then let that all coat your mouth, and then try to get an idea, start picking things out.

02:58:28.000 And by the way, there's no right way to, if you think it tastes like, so last night, something we had, I was like, you know, the end finish on this is a bit like the smell of MDF or plywood in a Home Depot.

02:58:44.000 They're like, what?

02:58:45.000 I go, try.

02:58:47.000 Yeah, I kind of get that.

02:58:48.000 Okay.

02:58:49.000 Oh, it's toasted coconut.

02:58:50.000 Move to this, move to that.

02:58:51.000 And if that's the note that you come up with, that's the note you can come up with, right?

02:58:56.000 It's yours.

02:58:57.000 However, your memory of taste and smell is unique to you. 0.99

02:59:02.000 But yet, we've all eaten and tasted most of the same shit because we all live in the same country with the same cuisines. 0.99

02:59:07.000 Did you take a class on this? 1.00

02:59:08.000 No.

02:59:08.000 Or read a book on it?

02:59:09.000 I just became a drunk.

02:59:11.000 Ah!

02:59:12.000 And talk to other drunks and they tell you how to do it right?

02:59:14.000 Yeah.

02:59:15.000 So, doing this whiskey, it was really important.

02:59:18.000 Like, everything I do, that if it's got my name on it, I really got to stand behind it. 0.98

02:59:22.000 It's got Warmaster right on the fucking bottom. 0.98

02:59:24.000 That's my nickname. 0.99

02:59:25.000 This is me.

02:59:26.000 So, and then when it came to, all right, We need to pick our production up during COVID. So I said, here I am.

02:59:34.000 I got the time.

02:59:35.000 I'm here in the distillery.

02:59:37.000 So like the video you showed on one of your deals about talking about the whiskey. 0.99

02:59:41.000 No, that's, I mean, yeah, that's highlight stuff for that reel, but that's real shit. 0.95

02:59:45.000 I cleaned the floors, ran distillation runs, smoked grains, roasted shit, did mash bills, sat and worked underneath as an apprentice, a head distiller. 0.98

02:59:59.000 Who also was a PhD biochemist. 0.90

03:00:03.000 So we're talking about the aspects of physics and chemistry as well as just stuff that comes with whiskey making, you know, that hand done process.

03:00:17.000 And for me, this just lined up perfectly.

03:00:22.000 Not only did our normal Warbringer blend win a gold medal this year at World Spirits Competition in its pot still category, we have a vodka that we put out where...

03:00:32.000 Vodkas are basically all the same. 0.99

03:00:35.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says to you. 0.98

03:00:36.000 If I make you a cocktail with Absolute or Russian Standard or Belvedere, you ain't gonna taste any difference. 0.99

03:00:43.000 I watched this video where they took cheap vodka and they ran it through a bunch of Brita filters and they said it's indistinguishable from expensive vodka.

03:00:50.000 By nature, vodka is supposed to be tasteless, odorless, neutral, distilled at I think over 180 and then cut down to 80 proof or whatever.

03:01:02.000 With us...

03:01:03.000 We worked with a mixologist, award-winning mixologist, Josh Goldman.

03:01:08.000 The idea was to create a vodka that would be the best well vodka to make the best cocktails.

03:01:13.000 And the difference is our PhD biochemist and the mineral formulation in the water.

03:01:20.000 So our mineral formulation in the water creates a different mouthfeel, a little bit of different interaction, brings out different aspects of what's in the vodka from the three different grains that are in it.

03:01:29.000 And that vodka, we put it up to the World Spirits Competition this year, and it won best varietal in the nation, best varietal in the world.

03:01:38.000 Whoa.

03:01:39.000 Silver grid.

03:01:40.000 Dude, that's amazing.

03:01:41.000 Yeah.

03:01:42.000 And it's called War Master as well?

03:01:43.000 Silver Grin Vodka.

03:01:44.000 Silver Grin.

03:01:45.000 Silver Grin.

03:01:46.000 Interesting.

03:01:46.000 Like, you know, getting silver teeth back in the old days.

03:01:48.000 We have a very old-timey Western aesthetic because we're in the Southwest.

03:01:52.000 Right.

03:01:52.000 And then we've got our rum coming out, which I made along with our head distiller at the time.

03:01:59.000 He got a bunch of inverted sugar, and he's like, he made this insanely awesome rum.

03:02:05.000 It's more like a scotch kind of in a way.

03:02:08.000 It sounds hard...

03:02:09.000 Strange to say it, but if you drank it, you'd understand it.

03:02:13.000 And it was made from this incredibly expensive Muscovato sugar.

03:02:17.000 Well, he wanted to do something. 0.99

03:02:19.000 It's like, well, fuck, we just can't keep getting Muscovato sugar all the time, and it's so expensive. 0.98

03:02:22.000 I'd like to do something. 0.99

03:02:23.000 Well, what is Muscovato sugar?

03:02:24.000 It's this type of sugar from the specific, from the Mauritius Islands.

03:02:29.000 And it's got its own unique terroir to it and everything. 0.98

03:02:33.000 So by being in the location that it is, it has its own properties, and the shit's incredibly delicious on its own. 0.97

03:02:39.000 I've never wanted to try rum and vodka more than right now. 0.97

03:02:42.000 But I'll get you some rum.

03:02:44.000 I can get you some rum and some vodka.

03:02:45.000 I don't know how many times I've ever had rum in my whole life. 0.97

03:02:49.000 So he's like, I want to make one that's delicious as fuck but on a lower price point and easier for us to get a hold of. 0.95

03:02:56.000 So he got all this inverted sugar and he goes, all right, we're going to cut it half and half with molasses. 0.95

03:03:03.000 And molasses is a pretty typical admixture to make rum from.

03:03:07.000 So...

03:03:08.000 We mixed the two together.

03:03:09.000 We did a half and half in our mash.

03:03:11.000 Well, they don't call it a mash bill of rum.

03:03:13.000 They call it a... 1.00

03:03:14.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:03:14.000 I forget what they call it with rum. 1.00

03:03:16.000 It's a different term.

03:03:17.000 But it's the same thing.

03:03:18.000 You're basically mixing all the stuff together.

03:03:20.000 You're adding yeast to it.

03:03:21.000 You're adding aspects for fermentation.

03:03:23.000 You run your fermentation cycles.

03:03:25.000 And we did it, like our whiskey.

03:03:26.000 We run a first fermentation.

03:03:28.000 Then we run a secondary fermentation in oak tanks.

03:03:31.000 Then we pump it over to the still.

03:03:35.000 We do our stripping run, which gives you a low wine.

03:03:37.000 And then after that, you run it again.

03:03:40.000 Then you get the final high-proof product.

03:03:42.000 So that's called Parlor K. It should be coming out sometime soon.

03:03:47.000 And I sat there and worked side-by-side.

03:03:53.000 Making rum.

03:03:54.000 Well, dude, when those come out, let me know.

03:03:56.000 I'll let everybody know.

03:03:57.000 I'll post it up on social media.

03:03:59.000 But for now, this stuff is legitimately some of my favorite whiskey.

03:04:03.000 I love the fact that you love this.

03:04:04.000 I love it.

03:04:05.000 It's mesquite smoked, and it's probably hard to get, right?

03:04:09.000 It is pretty hard to get.

03:04:10.000 Runs out quickly.

03:04:11.000 Yeah, when we do, I would say if anybody's interested in this stuff, one of the easiest things to do is sign up for the email list. 0.55

03:04:16.000 I know that sounds so fucking corny in this daily.

03:04:19.000 Is it warbringer.com? 0.97

03:04:21.000 Warbringerbourbon.com.

03:04:22.000 And sign up for that email list because when we put the email blast for the two barrels that we had that were coming out, they were immediately gone.

03:04:30.000 I'm sure. 0.99

03:04:31.000 All flew off the fucking shelves. 1.00

03:04:32.000 I'm sure. 1.00

03:04:32.000 It's great stuff. 1.00

03:04:33.000 And listen, man, I love the fact that you do this.

03:04:35.000 And you do this like you do everything else.

03:04:38.000 You do it all the way.

03:04:38.000 I don't know any way to do it.

03:04:39.000 I don't know any other way to do it, man.

03:04:40.000 It's one of the reasons why I love you.

03:04:42.000 Likewise.

03:04:43.000 All right, man.

03:04:44.000 Well, thanks for being here. 0.99

03:04:45.000 Look, man, Joe, you're a fucking treasure. 0.99

03:04:47.000 And I... Can't stress enough. 0.99

03:04:50.000 And I've told you, even in this little text, man, someone's like, oh, Joe Rogan this.

03:04:54.000 I'm like, tell me.

03:04:55.000 Tell me more.

03:04:56.000 What about Joe Rogan?

03:04:57.000 Go ahead.

03:05:00.000 Nothing. 0.99

03:05:01.000 He's like, you ain't gonna fucking dog this dude when he ain't even here to defend himself. 0.99

03:05:05.000 But go ahead. 0.98

03:05:05.000 Well, thanks for that. 0.98

03:05:06.000 And what you do is an important thing for you.

03:05:09.000 People are going to dog everything.

03:05:10.000 It's a part of life.

03:05:11.000 I agree.

03:05:12.000 It doesn't bother me.

03:05:12.000 I just don't read the comments.

03:05:14.000 I keep moving.

03:05:15.000 But what's your social media?

03:05:17.000 At Josh L. Barnett on Twitter and Facebook.

03:05:21.000 And then there's a Josh Barnett official.

03:05:23.000 I'm sorry.

03:05:24.000 At Josh L. Barnett on Twitter and Instagram.

03:05:26.000 Josh Barnett official on Facebook if you're like 65 and you still use that, I guess.

03:05:31.000 Or you're like in Slovenia.

03:05:34.000 And yeah, you can go to joshbarnett.com. 0.95

03:05:38.000 That's a nice placeholder for all the shit I'm doing. 0.85

03:05:40.000 I didn't even plug this. 0.93

03:05:42.000 I have Josh Barnett's Bloodsport 8 in Dallas.

03:05:47.000 My pro wrestling show.

03:05:48.000 The hardest hitting pro wrestling show.

03:05:49.000 The hardest hitting show in all pro wrestling.

03:05:51.000 It is fight-oriented pro wrestling.

03:05:54.000 Where these guys are going out there and going head-to-head and toe-to-toe.

03:05:58.000 Actually hitting each other.

03:06:00.000 Putting it on the line in a way that you're not going to find in any other pro wrestling show out there.

03:06:05.000 Where is it?

03:06:05.000 It's going to be in Dallas at the Fair Park grounds.

03:06:08.000 And it's part of the GCW collective package, which is like this huge amount of different shows.

03:06:13.000 Yeah, this is Josh Barnett's Bloodsport.

03:06:15.000 Oh, so you don't have a ring.

03:06:17.000 No, we have, and you only win by submission, knockout, or TKO. And so we go at it with each other, submission holds, we trade back and forth, strikes.

03:06:29.000 And when is this?

03:06:30.000 This is going to be March 31st at 3 p.m.

03:06:33.000 See, look, I'm wrestling Minoru Suzuki, former King of Pancreas. 0.85

03:06:38.000 And myself, this is the IQ wrestler who is one of the absolute best highlight video makers in the entire fucking business. 0.94

03:06:47.000 It's intimate too. 0.97

03:06:48.000 It is.

03:06:49.000 And it gets down and dirty.

03:06:51.000 There is blood.

03:06:52.000 There is violence.

03:06:54.000 It is no joke.

03:06:56.000 I love that you love this too.

03:06:59.000 Alright.

03:07:00.000 That's it.

03:07:02.000 Thanks brother.

03:07:03.000 I appreciate you very much.

03:07:04.000 Likewise.

03:07:04.000 Bye everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 29, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1797 - Josh Barnett

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