The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1806 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:15.000 We have to be really careful that we don't catch on fire.

00:00:19.000 Oh yeah!

00:00:24.000 That would be really awesome.

00:00:25.000 I mean, it would be horrible for us.

00:00:27.000 Terrible.

00:00:28.000 It would be funny.

00:00:29.000 I mean, we have fake hair and plastic robes on.

00:00:33.000 Not good.

00:00:34.000 I mean, these are nylon robes and nylon hair.

00:00:38.000 We would be like Michael Jackson.

00:00:40.000 It would be the Michael Jackson moment.

00:00:42.000 Remember when he caught on fire?

00:00:43.000 During a Pepsi commercial, right?

00:00:45.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:00:45.000 That really fucked him up, apparently. 0.98

00:00:47.000 That was the beginning of the end. 0.75

00:00:48.000 Yeah.

00:00:49.000 Well, I think the end was already it.

00:00:51.000 I think it was already it.

00:00:52.000 He was already white by then.

00:00:54.000 You can't say that was the beginning of the end.

00:00:56.000 That dude was, you know, many plastic surgeries.

00:01:00.000 And he's one of those, like Eddie Bravo used to say that, that Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon does not advertise that he's Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon.

00:01:10.000 You imagine you have the biggest star in the world, and you do his plastic surgery, you're like, not me.

00:01:16.000 Not me.

00:01:16.000 I have nothing to do with that.

00:01:18.000 Yeah, no, that, yeah, his, like, it was insane how much they shaved that guy's face down.

00:01:24.000 It was like, They made his nose like a tiny European girl's nose. 1.00

00:01:29.000 Yeah.

00:01:29.000 Like a four-year-old's nose.

00:01:31.000 Yeah.

00:01:32.000 Horrible.

00:01:32.000 It's horrible.

00:01:33.000 Just shrunk it down, and it was caving in, apparently.

00:01:38.000 Did it fall off or something they said?

00:01:40.000 Something.

00:01:40.000 I don't know if that's real.

00:01:41.000 See if they can get a photo, because I think there was an issue.

00:01:44.000 See if you can find a photo.

00:01:45.000 It's really scary, though, man.

00:01:47.000 Like, imagine...

00:01:48.000 Oh, look at the one in the lower right corner.

00:01:50.000 Oh, my God.

00:01:51.000 Jesus Christ.

00:01:53.000 Hi.

00:01:54.000 That's what it looked like in real life.

00:01:55.000 So if you saw it in real life, that's what you would see.

00:01:58.000 Why do you think I would hurt a child?

00:01:59.000 He's got a bandage on it.

00:02:00.000 That's why it looks a little...

00:02:01.000 Because it's caving in.

00:02:02.000 See, the right side of it looks like it's gone.

00:02:04.000 It looks like a hole there, doesn't it?

00:02:06.000 It seems like his eyes have somehow been enlarged or something.

00:02:10.000 Well, it's that same operation that I think they do with...

00:02:14.000 It's very popular in South Korea, where they trim your lids.

00:02:19.000 They give him that anime look.

00:02:21.000 Oh, God.

00:02:23.000 Look at that nose. 0.99

00:02:23.000 That is wild, man. 0.99

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 He kept going.

00:02:26.000 See, the nose he had on the right was slightly less ridiculous than the nose on the left.

00:02:32.000 That could be a prosthetic.

00:02:33.000 Oh, wait.

00:02:34.000 Yeah, the one on the right is probably a prosthetic that he puts on.

00:02:38.000 Because if you look at the very...

00:02:40.000 See the bridge?

00:02:42.000 It looks like he painted something.

00:02:44.000 Right.

00:02:44.000 It looks a little sketchy.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 See that little hole on the right nostril, above the right nostril, in the bandage?

00:02:50.000 That's where it looks like it's caving in.

00:02:52.000 And that might have been what was happening to him.

00:02:54.000 Like, look at that photo right there that you had your cursor on earlier, the real creepy one.

00:02:59.000 Right above, yeah, that one.

00:03:00.000 But wait.

00:03:01.000 Look at that one. 1.00

00:03:02.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:03:04.000 That's like when I try to make something out of clay. 1.00

00:03:07.000 When I try to make a human face.

00:03:09.000 Try to make it look real realistic.

00:03:10.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 The reflection in his glasses, though.

00:03:17.000 What was that, man?

00:03:18.000 Can you pull that one?

00:03:19.000 Satan.

00:03:20.000 No, look.

00:03:20.000 Zoom in on that.

00:03:21.000 Is that a tank?

00:03:22.000 What is that?

00:03:23.000 Yeah, he's in Russia right now.

00:03:25.000 He is a part of the resistance.

00:03:29.000 What?

00:03:29.000 What is that, though?

00:03:30.000 What is that massive?

00:03:31.000 What is that?

00:03:32.000 It looks like a...

00:03:33.000 You know, it's really crazy.

00:03:34.000 Look at the photo that they just showed, when you go back to all those photos, where it showed him as a young man.

00:03:41.000 Like, look at that.

00:03:42.000 That was him in 1980. Wow.

00:03:44.000 And then by 1983, he was already fucking with his nose. 0.99

00:03:48.000 He was trimming. 0.99

00:03:48.000 You see? 0.99

00:03:49.000 Like, in 1980, it was...

00:03:51.000 He looked great!

00:03:52.000 Like, that's what he's supposed to look like.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:55.000 So he kept...

00:03:56.000 Kept going.

00:03:57.000 He kept going. 0.99

00:03:57.000 So it looked like the first shit he had done was in the 70s. 0.99

00:04:00.000 Look at that 75 to 79 again, that one that you just showed. 0.99

00:04:04.000 Look at the difference.

00:04:05.000 Like, by 79, it looks like he'd already had...

00:04:08.000 A little work.

00:04:09.000 ...some work done. 1.00

00:04:11.000 Oh, the poor bastard. 1.00

00:04:13.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

00:04:15.000 Like, right there, if he stopped right there, he looks great. 1.00

00:04:20.000 You know?

00:04:20.000 He doesn't look crazy.

00:04:22.000 He got to a point where, you know, it's the same thing that anorexic have? 1.00

00:04:28.000 Body dysmorphia.

00:04:29.000 They can't see it.

00:04:30.000 It's like us wearing these wigs.

00:04:31.000 We think we look good.

00:04:33.000 I don't think I look good!

00:04:36.000 I think I look like I'm...

00:04:38.000 How is this the number one podcast in the world?

00:04:43.000 Explain that.

00:04:45.000 Explain that.

00:04:45.000 What we're doing here is what we used to do.

00:04:48.000 Well, yeah.

00:04:49.000 Same thing.

00:04:50.000 Exactly.

00:04:50.000 Exactly the same thing.

00:04:52.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:04:53.000 Doesn't make any sense.

00:04:54.000 It does.

00:04:54.000 I mean, don't you try to actively not think about that?

00:04:58.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 Because if you think about it...

00:04:59.000 Yeah, you'll go crazy.

00:05:00.000 It's like touching an electric fence or something. 1.00

00:05:06.000 You'll lose your fucking mind. 1.00

00:05:09.000 And then you won't be able to do it anymore. 1.00

00:05:11.000 It's just like, you have to understand.

00:05:15.000 And we all do, somewhere.

00:05:17.000 But you're alive in the middle of this experience and it's playing out where no one feels comfortable.

00:05:27.000 No one understands what's happening.

00:05:29.000 No one knows what life really is.

00:05:30.000 No one.

00:05:31.000 Not a single person.

00:05:32.000 And yet we're all calling upon other people for guidance and leadership and support.

00:05:39.000 We look to powerful leaders.

00:05:41.000 That's why, me included, everyone is so excited that Elon Musk is trying to buy Twitter.

00:05:45.000 Like, yes!

00:05:47.000 The great one!

00:05:48.000 He's the super intelligent leader type character that seems to have great ethics and morals too. 0.92

00:05:56.000 He seems to be like a guy that if you had a movie character, and the movie character was this super billionaire who didn't give a fuck, but he was super fucking smart and he was really genuinely working to save humanity. 0.96

00:06:09.000 That's that guy. 0.96

00:06:11.000 Dude, here's the thing.

00:06:12.000 This is the scariest thing of all.

00:06:15.000 When you realize, that guy's not gonna save anybody.

00:06:17.000 He's gonna make things funny!

00:06:20.000 And a lot of what he's doing is so cool!

00:06:23.000 And if he buys Twitter, it's gonna be one of the funniest things ever.

00:06:27.000 And it helps me understand why it would be awesome to be a billionaire!

00:06:33.000 Because finally, I would think...

00:06:35.000 Okay, if I was a billionaire, I would be trolling so hard all the time with all this money.

00:06:41.000 I would buy fake commercials for products that seem vaguely real.

00:06:46.000 You would be the best billionaire ever.

00:06:47.000 It would be so fun!

00:06:49.000 It would all be like your ads and your podcast.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:52.000 I would have an entire department just dedicated to putting chaos into the world for fun.

00:06:58.000 Can I stop you right here and just tell you, I admire your commercials so much.

00:07:03.000 Thanks, man.

00:07:04.000 You have the best commercials in all of podcasts by far.

00:07:07.000 They're funny, and they're ridiculous, and they're creative, and I always feel bad that I just do a regular commercial after I listen to yours.

00:07:15.000 Too much work.

00:07:18.000 It is a lot of work.

00:07:19.000 But it's funny that you get to advertise.

00:07:22.000 To me, it's so funny to imagine that any company is letting me advertise for them.

00:07:29.000 Something in that makes me feel gleeful when I'm doing it.

00:07:32.000 And it's cool that most of them are cool with it.

00:07:34.000 The way you're doing it is so fun.

00:07:37.000 It's so fun.

00:07:37.000 It's clearly just fun.

00:07:40.000 Isn't this delicious?

00:07:41.000 This is so good, man.

00:07:43.000 So good.

00:07:45.000 But you know, man, like, Musk, he's finally doing the thing.

00:07:51.000 If I were a billionaire, for sure, it's like, oh, I'll just buy Twitter.

00:07:54.000 Can I buy Twitter?

00:07:55.000 Let's see what happens.

00:07:56.000 He doesn't care.

00:07:57.000 I think he does care.

00:07:58.000 You think he cares?

00:08:00.000 I can't tell.

00:08:00.000 No, he does, genuinely.

00:08:02.000 He's concerned about censorship.

00:08:04.000 Freedom of speech.

00:08:05.000 Yes.

00:08:06.000 He said, freedom of speech is someone you don't like saying something you don't want to hear.

00:08:14.000 He goes, they have to have that right.

00:08:16.000 It's essential to a democracy.

00:08:18.000 Most people objectively agree.

00:08:20.000 The problem is he gets scared because they see how mobs of people can move in a very negative direction.

00:08:30.000 There's a real concern.

00:08:32.000 I am in no way supporting censorship, clearly.

00:08:36.000 Absolutely the opposite.

00:08:37.000 But I understand why people are concerned about large groups of people being really shitty and getting on the social media platforms that they've done this The campaign over the last few years to silence certain voices,

00:08:57.000 stop aggressive people, stop people being shitty to people.

00:09:01.000 Some of that is good, right?

00:09:03.000 Sure.

00:09:04.000 Stop doxing, stop people threatening people, stop people harassing people.

00:09:08.000 But it's like, where does it end?

00:09:10.000 And how do you know?

00:09:11.000 You don't. 0.99

00:09:12.000 That's where it's fucking weird. 0.98

00:09:13.000 Because if you just let... 0.99

00:09:16.000 Wild free speech.

00:09:18.000 There's a bunch of people on 4chan and those kind of places, and they're saying stuff just for fun. 0.96

00:09:26.000 Because nobody knows who they are, and they can just say it, and they don't fucking mean it.

00:09:31.000 They're saying it because it's a crazy thing to say if you're at work in a job you hate, sitting in your cubicle, and you decide to make a frog with a Nazi outfit on. 0.88

00:09:40.000 And it doesn't mean you're a real Nazi, and it doesn't mean you hate anyone.

00:09:44.000 It's edgelording.

00:09:45.000 It's an edgelord.

00:09:46.000 Those people, they're confined to small corners of the internet right now.

00:09:55.000 And if you just let them loose...

00:09:59.000 If you let the frog people loose, like you remember the frog people during the Trump campaign? 0.99

00:10:05.000 Yeah, of course.

00:10:06.000 They took over the frog.

00:10:07.000 The frog guy, the guy who made the frog was so sad.

00:10:09.000 I had him on my podcast.

00:10:10.000 He's very cool.

00:10:11.000 What did he say? 1.00

00:10:13.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:10:14.000 The frog was never a Nazi. 1.00

00:10:15.000 The frog was funny and sweet.

00:10:17.000 Was he upset that he took his frog?

00:10:19.000 Yeah!

00:10:20.000 I think it would be a little bit like the first person who had the Hitler mustache. 0.78

00:10:25.000 Wow.

00:10:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:27.000 Imagine. 0.99

00:10:27.000 And then Hitler sees it and he's like, God, that's fucking cool. 0.99

00:10:30.000 I'm going to start having a mustache like that. 0.99

00:10:32.000 You're like, no!

00:10:33.000 It's like that.

00:10:34.000 But also, I don't know how many people know that the...

00:10:39.000 They discovered an Egyptian god.

00:10:41.000 And again, this could all be trolling Keck, the god of chaos, who happens to be a frog.

00:10:47.000 So within that, whatever that was, an actual chaos magic was being...

00:10:52.000 They were calling it meme magic or whatever.

00:10:54.000 They were actively doing chaos magic, and a lot of their rituals seem to have worked to some degree.

00:11:02.000 So yeah, I know what you mean. 0.99

00:11:05.000 The question is, in a world where we don't even know how many of these people are human who are writing shit on Twitter or wherever. 0.98

00:11:18.000 Look at GPT, what is it, three or two? 0.99

00:11:20.000 The AI that completely imitates human beings.

00:11:25.000 Have you ever gone to the...

00:11:26.000 Explain how that works?

00:11:28.000 It's a neural network that can be programmed to different personalities that can imitate human speech well enough that they can leave messages and you don't know for sure if it's a human or not.

00:11:41.000 So if you go to on Reddit, there's a subreddit which is the AI bots arguing with each other on the Reddit and like once I left that up And I remember I was just reading it thinking I was on the front page of Reddit and getting really engaged in the arguments these bots were having with each other.

00:12:00.000 It's that convincing.

00:12:01.000 So the freedom of speech thing runs into, okay, of course, it's like a no-brainer humanist ideal.

00:12:08.000 Humans should be able to say whatever they want.

00:12:09.000 This is like the most important way that we must have some kind of debate or discourse where one person is allowed to be a complete activist.

00:12:18.000 Right.

00:12:20.000 And not because we want assholes, but because hopefully in the discussion some bit of truth will sink down into their consciousness and they will grow as a person. 0.98

00:12:30.000 I think that's what their roots are. 0.99

00:12:31.000 That's the hope.

00:12:32.000 That's the hope.

00:12:33.000 But what if the person is a robot, is an AI device that is being Right.

00:12:53.000 Right. 0.99

00:12:56.000 One of the things Musk was saying he might do with Twitter, which I think is brilliant, anyone can get the stupid blue checkmark. 0.99

00:13:03.000 You pay for it and you have to verify yourself so that we know you're a real person. 0.95

00:13:09.000 Meaning that it would be too expensive for the bot swarms to function.

00:13:12.000 It would go from being...

00:13:15.000 Like, if you have a blue checkmark, whatever, you're something or whatever, too.

00:13:19.000 If you don't have a blue checkmark, you're probably a bot. 0.97

00:13:21.000 And so then we eliminate all the AI, all the fucking state-sponsored shills, all the people who've spent years and years and years building these fake identities online. 0.99

00:13:32.000 Like, they're like... 1.00

00:13:34.000 Farming personalities, cause you know, in the old days, somebody tweets some shit and you're like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

00:13:41.000 And you go and look at their account and it's like three days old. 0.99

00:13:45.000 So it has less credibility, but they've been growing these personalities for years.

00:13:51.000 So you go and look at their tweets and it kind of looks like a person mixed in with their interminable tweets about some political issue.

00:14:00.000 Like, only an insane person every three minutes tweeting something.

00:14:04.000 Or like, went to the pool with Derry today!

00:14:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:08.000 And some weird distant picture of a pool.

00:14:10.000 So it kinda seems like a real person.

00:14:12.000 Anyway, the point is, the freedom of speech issue Right now, we're running into the problem of brand new technologies that aren't even human, that are being designed to influence public discourse in a way that's going to push the needle towards whatever it is,

00:14:29.000 whatever your laws your corporation wants, whatever some state wants.

00:14:34.000 And we know for sure they're being implemented that way? 1.00

00:14:36.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:14:37.000 These bot swarms, they found, in the Ukraine, they found one of these creepy shelves of phones. 1.00

00:14:46.000 It's just phones, shit tons of phones. 0.98

00:14:48.000 Oh, I've seen those. 0.99

00:14:48.000 But I didn't know they were running an AI. I thought people were manually typing in messages, because I know they were doing that first. 0.99

00:14:55.000 I think both things are happening.

00:15:01.000 It's a PR firm, basically.

00:15:03.000 Politicians have publicists, too.

00:15:05.000 Isn't it wild, though, that that's the best way to defeat America, is to get people separate from each other, arguing with each other, and lose all faith in the democratic process?

00:15:17.000 Yeah.

00:15:17.000 All faith in democracy.

00:15:19.000 Lose all faith.

00:15:20.000 Powerful weapon, man.

00:15:21.000 It's amazing.

00:15:22.000 We dropped an atom bomb multiple times on cities filled with people.

00:15:29.000 The United States did that.

00:15:30.000 Everyone knows that. 0.99

00:15:32.000 So our karma, whew, we've got some fucked up karma, man. 0.96

00:15:36.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

00:15:37.000 So the problem with these atom bombs, biggest problem with the atom bomb is, I mean, aside from the fact that it kills random people and is horrible, it irradiates them.

00:15:48.000 It radiates the ground, the buildings.

00:15:51.000 So there's no plundering to be had.

00:15:54.000 Traditional war, you plunder. 0.95

00:15:56.000 However you want to make it look, you're plundering.

00:15:58.000 If I nuke you, I can no longer plunder.

00:16:01.000 So this is why biological weapons are desirable, because then it burns out the biome in the area, wait a little bit, and then you can go plunder.

00:16:11.000 But even better than that? 0.96

00:16:14.000 Get into the fucking minds of the people in the country that you want to invade and then just change their minds so that the country shifts into what you wanted that country to be. 0.99

00:16:27.000 Now you didn't even have to do anything except they're yours. 1.00

00:16:31.000 They're believing in you, and then in that, the country starts falling apart.

00:16:34.000 The CIA, by the way, this is one of the things they do.

00:16:37.000 They go into other countries, they cause, like, disturbances, and then it collapses.

00:16:43.000 I mean, it's a classic weapon of war.

00:16:45.000 So anyway, yeah, obviously we might be—the entire United States and probably other countries might currently— Be irradiated, not by, like, obviously radiation, but by bad data created by artificial intelligence bots that have been programmed to swarm social media and give the impression that there was some,

00:17:06.000 like, something happening that wasn't even happening at all.

00:17:09.000 You know why when I get the most suspicious that someone's a bot?

00:17:12.000 When they have an American flag next to their name.

00:17:15.000 Oh yeah, that's a bot.

00:17:17.000 I automatically assume that's a bot.

00:17:20.000 I see that and I go, oh, they're one of those fake, like, you know, God before country people.

00:17:27.000 That's right. 0.98

00:17:27.000 It's so fucking weird, Joe. 0.98

00:17:30.000 It's so fucking weird. 0.98

00:17:31.000 There must be so many of them. 0.98

00:17:33.000 There's so many.

00:17:33.000 And they're, like, forming arguments out there.

00:17:36.000 Dude, they...

00:17:38.000 Okay.

00:17:39.000 Imagine...

00:17:40.000 A hundred years ago, sitting in a town hall.

00:17:44.000 There's a debate going on, a lively debate about some new law you want to impose.

00:17:49.000 And somebody stands up and he's like, I'm all for the law! 1.00

00:17:53.000 And then, you know, just starts malfunctioning, smoking, or it's a fucking robot! 1.00

00:17:59.000 We've been invaded by robots! 1.00

00:18:01.000 This would be a horror movie.

00:18:02.000 It would be a horror movie.

00:18:03.000 But that's what's happening now.

00:18:05.000 Yes, it's just they're doing it through texts.

00:18:08.000 Yeah, they're doing it through, and that's way more effective anyway.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, they're getting it, you're addicted to your phone, they're getting to you through your phone, and you're getting all these hot takes that are designed to sow the seeds of anger and distrust.

00:18:27.000 The tribalism between the two sides has never been stronger.

00:18:30.000 When I was a kid, your neighbor could be a Republican, this guy could be a Democrat.

00:18:34.000 Nobody cared.

00:18:35.000 They'd mock you about this, you'd mock them about that.

00:18:38.000 But you could be friends.

00:18:39.000 You could be friends with people who were right-wing.

00:18:41.000 Now it's like they're the enemy.

00:18:43.000 It's very bizarre.

00:18:45.000 Yeah, that's true, man.

00:18:46.000 Very bizarre. 0.97

00:18:47.000 It's very fucking bizarre. 0.90

00:18:48.000 I mean, I grew up with... 0.98

00:18:53.000 My dad was a Republican, you know, so I grew up in that...

00:18:58.000 I grew up having to be friends with, like, Republicans and right-wingers who knew...

00:19:03.000 Most of my takes on things, but they're very polite. 0.73

00:19:06.000 There was none of this bullshit of like, wait, what do you think?

00:19:09.000 Why do you think that? 0.93

00:19:10.000 It was usually considered real, like, we grew up in the South.

00:19:13.000 So it's considered incredibly impolite to bring up like politics, any of that stuff.

00:19:18.000 You sort of just kept it to yourself.

00:19:20.000 I've had some people get aggressive with their opinions about stuff, especially because I was a Bernie Sanders supporter.

00:19:28.000 You got a lot of heat for that.

00:19:29.000 But it's like to be that connected to your idea that you're going to be like angry talking to someone who has a different idea.

00:19:41.000 Yeah.

00:19:42.000 This is not a good way to do this.

00:19:44.000 Don't get mad that someone thought that maybe some of Bernie Sanders' ideas weren't the worst ideas.

00:19:50.000 Maybe it would be interesting having someone like that running things.

00:19:53.000 What would it be like?

00:19:54.000 We've never had anything like that before.

00:19:56.000 He doesn't seem like a greedy guy who's going to make horrible deals that are going to damage the environment.

00:20:02.000 It seems like he's got a lot of positives.

00:20:04.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 What was it he did?

00:20:07.000 Wait.

00:20:08.000 Why don't people like it?

00:20:09.000 Well, he's a democratic socialist and it's not like completely socialism.

00:20:17.000 It's like a mixture of socialism and I guess I guess some capitalism and some would have to explain it better, but essentially he thinks that there should be a bunch of things that we pay into with our tax money and a lot of those things would help benefit the greater good of the country,

00:20:38.000 like free education, like absolving student debt, you know, like raising the minimum wage.

00:20:47.000 Pitching a bunch of different things that got people super uncomfortable.

00:20:52.000 They're like, this guy's not trying to make money. 0.96

00:20:54.000 This guy's got to fuck this up for us. 0.98

00:20:57.000 That's right. 0.98

00:20:57.000 Well, I mean, look, when our politicians are making so much dough, then they don't want to pay into those taxes. 0.98

00:21:05.000 It's a lot of money.

00:21:07.000 They pay a lot of money to politicians for speeches.

00:21:10.000 They pay a lot of money to politicians for books.

00:21:12.000 And I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to make a lot of money.

00:21:15.000 God bless you.

00:21:16.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:21:17.000 I'm just saying it's a business, and you can influence people with that business.

00:21:25.000 You can influence the way people think about things.

00:21:29.000 And you can hire a team of robots.

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:33.000 To go swarm your idea through the internet.

00:21:35.000 That's right. 1.00

00:21:36.000 And you can make it seem like everybody who opposes this idea is racist, or everybody who opposes this idea is sexist, or transphobic, or this or that, but all you're doing is stirring up shit, and you don't care how it gets stirred up, because shit begets shit. 1.00

00:21:51.000 And as soon as you get some shit stirred up and people slinging it around, well their kids are going to learn how to throw some shit too. 1.00

00:21:56.000 And then the next generation is going to be a shit tosser as well. 1.00

00:21:59.000 That's right. 1.00

00:22:00.000 And then it's going to be a normal thing.

00:22:02.000 It's like being heated arguments with people all the time.

00:22:05.000 Online, not in real life.

00:22:06.000 And never believe anything. 0.97

00:22:08.000 Imagine if we found out that a lot of mainstream news was run by Russia and that these little tiny subtle lies that they say every now and then to make you lose your faith in the veracity of the fucking news source that you're getting. 0.99

00:22:23.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:22:24.000 Imagine.

00:22:24.000 Dude, of course it is, though.

00:22:25.000 It's all Chinese funded. 0.69

00:22:31.000 I think one of the problems is people imagine it to be a little more cut and dry than it is.

00:22:36.000 I think it's a little more subtle than just getting paid off.

00:22:41.000 But what we do know, obviously, there is an incredible imbalance when it comes to wealth on the planet. 1.00

00:22:48.000 We've got fucking oligarchs. 1.00

00:22:50.000 When you hear about the shit that they're confiscating from these people... 1.00

00:22:54.000 Wild. 1.00

00:22:55.000 50 houses!

00:22:57.000 $750 million yachts being confiscated.

00:23:00.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 So this imbalance in wealth is so extreme that it's created an incredible greed in some people and just a basic need to have food and shelter or whatever.

00:23:13.000 But when you have that much money, I imagine it's fairly easy to, in a very subtle way, start doing psyops for whatever it is.

00:23:25.000 And in those psyops campaigns, the first thing you're going to want to go for is people who are any kind of mouthpiece in the world, like Tucker Carlson, who the Russian press was, like, applauding for his reporting and stuff. 0.98

00:23:39.000 So, you know, people are like, shit, he's paid off by the Russians. 0.98

00:23:43.000 Now, is he? 1.00

00:23:44.000 I doubt it.

00:23:47.000 I wouldn't be surprised if people who used to call themselves the KGP mastered distorting reality.

00:23:57.000 I wouldn't be surprised if some way, shape, or form they were puppeteering him a little bit.

00:24:01.000 Just trying to get to him a little bit.

00:24:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:04.000 How does one do that?

00:24:06.000 Do it in your best Russian accent.

00:24:08.000 I can't do a Russian accent!

00:24:10.000 I don't mean Russian.

00:24:11.000 I mean whatever.

00:24:12.000 Any country.

00:24:13.000 So it's like this.

00:24:14.000 Here's how you do it. 1.00

00:24:15.000 This is the way you fucking do it. 0.99

00:24:16.000 It happened to me. 0.99

00:24:17.000 Because once, when Ted Cruz was running against, what's his name?

00:24:23.000 The guy who wanted to legalize weed.

00:24:25.000 People didn't like him.

00:24:26.000 The Democrat guy, Beto O'Rourke.

00:24:28.000 People didn't like him.

00:24:30.000 I was like, ah.

00:24:31.000 So I retweeted Beto O'Rourke giving some speech.

00:24:34.000 I liked him.

00:24:35.000 He wants to legalize weed.

00:24:37.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:38.000 Legalize weed!

00:24:38.000 It's great!

00:24:39.000 Biden was supposed to do that.

00:24:40.000 Yeah, well, yeah, but... 0.99

00:24:42.000 Right after I retweeted him, all of a sudden, I start getting messages from people using the word, fuck, goddammit, now I can't remember the word, demigog. 0.99

00:24:55.000 Demigog. 0.99

00:24:55.000 So all of a sudden, I'm getting tweets from random people being like, do you really want to retweet a demigog? 0.99

00:25:01.000 I don't know if it's gog or gog.

00:25:02.000 I think it's gog.

00:25:03.000 I only read it.

00:25:04.000 I don't think I've ever read it.

00:25:05.000 Exactly! 0.96

00:25:06.000 But I remember thinking, that's a cool fucking word, the first time someone sent that to me. 0.99

00:25:10.000 Then the next, yeah, demigog. 0.99

00:25:13.000 Demigog sounds amazing. 0.95

00:25:14.000 Sounds awesome.

00:25:15.000 Sounds like something from Stranger Things.

00:25:17.000 Exactly, a Gorgon.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, a demigog. 1.00

00:25:20.000 So I get another demigog, and then another demigog message, and then I'm like, oh my god, these are people working at a cubicle who have been told to send tweets at people who say anything positive about Beto O'Rourke, but one of them said,

00:25:36.000 Duncan, I I really am sorry about what happened to your mom, but it's upsetting to me to see someone retweeting a demagogue.

00:25:46.000 And that's when I freaked out because it's like, wait a minute.

00:25:49.000 I went to her account. 0.99

00:25:50.000 This is like a middle-aged right-wing Republican lady, American flags all over her fucking account. 1.00

00:25:56.000 Real person. 0.99

00:25:57.000 Acting like a real person, but no one who would really be listening to my podcast enough to know about my mom dying and certainly would not be like sticking up for Ted Cruz randomly on the internet.

00:26:08.000 So that's when I realized, oh shit, if you have a certain number of followers, they've got a little file on you somewhere.

00:26:15.000 And that little file goes into, informs their tweets at you. 0.98

00:26:20.000 Or it could just be some crazy Republican lady who likes you. 1.00

00:26:24.000 But she said demigog after three people said it. 0.83

00:26:27.000 But a lot of people probably have been saying it and people automatically pick up on things that people say and they just repeat them.

00:26:33.000 This is just the simplest explanation without like some grand conspiracy.

00:26:37.000 I think we should assume that's probable.

00:26:40.000 That's probable.

00:26:41.000 I would say that it was probable.

00:26:42.000 Okay, so and again, I don't want to seem like I have such hubris to even imagine that.

00:26:47.000 Oh, there's definitely a file on you.

00:26:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:26:49.000 But that lady, there's crazy people out there, bro. 0.96

00:26:52.000 There's a lot of those like Austin rednecks. 1.00

00:26:55.000 I'm just saying if you want to get to somebody, the way you do it is in a really subtle way over time and have it happening from a lot of different angles, expressing different versions of the same idea that helps push the needle.

00:27:11.000 And that's how you do it.

00:27:12.000 So the person wouldn't really recognize that a kind of propaganda beam It's being blasted at them through their social medias, and it's coordinated, organized, and designed not to do anything more than shift their opinion a little bit.

00:27:28.000 Not even that much.

00:27:29.000 And just get them arguing about stuff.

00:27:31.000 Exactly.

00:27:31.000 And then the thing about arguing is people rarely come to a resolution where they're both happy.

00:27:38.000 Generally speaking, one person wins, the other person feels bad. 0.97

00:27:41.000 One person thinks that person's a dick for harping on them about something. 0.94

00:27:46.000 It's very rare that someone goes, God damn it, I was wrong, and he was right, and I need to apologize to him, I need to figure this out. 0.98

00:27:53.000 That's a rare person. 0.78

00:27:54.000 It's great when people can do that, but it's a rare person who has a disagreement with someone and changes their mind. 0.98

00:28:01.000 We're fucking stubborn. 0.66

00:28:02.000 And instead of really trying to figure out what's right and what's wrong, most of the time we're trying to win an argument. 0.99

00:28:09.000 We're trying to win with better sentences and better facts and we're trying to look smarter.

00:28:14.000 That's what we're trying to do.

00:28:16.000 And when... 0.99

00:28:18.000 When people just argue, they start arguing about other shit. 0.96

00:28:21.000 If you beat someone with some argument, you want to argue with them about other stuff. 0.98

00:28:25.000 There's this one guy at work, and he always wanted to argue about stuff.

00:28:30.000 It wasn't aggressive, but it was always annoying.

00:28:33.000 And one time I go, dude, Every time we talk, you just want to argue.

00:28:37.000 I go, we can just talk.

00:28:39.000 We don't have to argue about stuff.

00:28:41.000 He goes, well, I'd like to see you challenged.

00:28:43.000 I go, come on, man.

00:28:44.000 We're just at work.

00:28:45.000 He said what?

00:28:46.000 I'd like to see you challenged.

00:28:49.000 What does he mean by that?

00:28:50.000 He's essentially saying he likes to argue.

00:28:53.000 And he wanted me to argue with him.

00:28:56.000 Some people enjoy arguing, and they're not even doing it in a way that's mean.

00:29:01.000 They just want to disagree.

00:29:04.000 They just want to say, well, someone could look at it from this perspective, like, oh my god, bro.

00:29:08.000 Oh my god.

00:29:09.000 Everything's everything.

00:29:10.000 We're talking about dairy.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:12.000 You know, it's like, I can't talk about, not everything.

00:29:15.000 Not everything.

00:29:15.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 I know, man.

00:29:17.000 I think that is one of the problems, is that reality can be looked at from a million different angles.

00:29:26.000 And it's hard for us to do that.

00:29:28.000 It's hard for us to take into consideration someone else's perspective.

00:29:32.000 Oh, my God.

00:29:32.000 Very hard.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, well, it's considered off-limits.

00:29:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:38.000 Try to put yourself in Jeffrey Dahmer's shoes.

00:29:40.000 You ever do that?

00:29:41.000 Jesus Christ.

00:29:42.000 Well, that's what I'm saying, but to catch people like that, they have to become them.

00:29:46.000 Oh my god.

00:29:47.000 But you ever think about that?

00:29:48.000 How far away from being Jeffrey Dahmer was I? How many bad turns or weird moments?

00:29:54.000 Do you think that a guy like that, because he was one of the rare ones that had a normal family life, right?

00:30:01.000 Well, yeah, it seems like his parents seem just kind of like normal.

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 That was a weird one.

00:30:08.000 Like most of the time there's like abuse and foster care or something.

00:30:12.000 Yeah.

00:30:13.000 Some great hurt that's put on them.

00:30:15.000 Yeah.

00:30:16.000 Yeah.

00:30:17.000 It's like to me, the thing you're talking about is we're going to get better at it as a species.

00:30:26.000 And what that is is Putting away the aggression.

00:30:31.000 That's normal.

00:30:32.000 Aggression happens when animals feel confronted.

00:30:36.000 So we still have that.

00:30:38.000 So you feel confronted in any way, even if it's a small disagreement, some weird animal part of you starts hissing. 1.00

00:30:45.000 And some people listen to that and then they're like, fuck! 0.99

00:30:49.000 And then they get weird when they're having a debate with somebody because the animal is hissing through whatever they're saying. 0.99

00:30:54.000 So if you can put that away, And then you look at the person and recognize, this is just me.

00:31:00.000 After a bunch of weird turns, I would have been this person.

00:31:04.000 And then, somewhere in there, you can really have an actual chat with a person, because at least you're...

00:31:11.000 If that creature, if the thing inside of them starts hissing, and then that makes the thing inside of you start hissing, Then you're basically just having a seizure or something disguised as a conversation.

00:31:23.000 You're just barking.

00:31:24.000 It's like when you walk by a yard and your dogs start screaming at each other.

00:31:28.000 You know, I don't think that the dogs are like...

00:31:31.000 I think it's like when a dog barks, it's like when we sneeze.

00:31:35.000 Like they can't control it.

00:31:37.000 All of a sudden it's just like, and the other one's barking.

00:31:39.000 I'm just saying, if we are debating with all this aggression, I don't even know if we're human at that moment.

00:31:47.000 I think we're just hissing at each other and pretending what we're saying has some kind of importance in the world.

00:31:53.000 I mean, it would probably be healthier to just like...

00:31:57.000 Instead of, you know, angrily fighting with somebody.

00:32:02.000 Right, because sometimes when people are talking, they're not really saying anything anyway.

00:32:06.000 Just barking at each other.

00:32:08.000 Exactly.

00:32:09.000 Just dogs yapping at each other online.

00:32:11.000 The most depressing thing ever.

00:32:13.000 Imagine if everyone alive is at their essence the exact same thing.

00:32:20.000 Just interacting with the rest of the universe through different biological filters.

00:32:27.000 Yeah.

00:32:27.000 But like everyone's the exact same thing.

00:32:29.000 Whether you're born in China, whether you're born in Pittsburgh, it doesn't matter.

00:32:37.000 It's just you're going through different biological filters and different life experiences to interact with the universe.

00:32:44.000 But you, what makes you, makes me.

00:32:47.000 It's the same thing.

00:32:48.000 I'm just going through this body, you're going through that body, I'm going through this path, you're going through that path.

00:32:53.000 It's the same thing at the core.

00:32:56.000 Whether it's male or female, whether it's boy or girl or gay or straight, it doesn't matter.

00:33:02.000 It's the same thing.

00:33:03.000 It's the biological filter of being a different human being with a different life experience in a different part of the world.

00:33:09.000 That's what's different.

00:33:10.000 That's it.

00:33:11.000 Imagine how wild the world would be if we could really lock onto that idea.

00:33:16.000 It'd be a Christian world, Joe. 0.99

00:33:18.000 That's a Christian idea, right? 0.92

00:33:19.000 Love your neighbor.

00:33:20.000 As yourself.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 But I think that people, when they hear that, they don't realize how radical a statement that is because it's saying, no, no, no.

00:33:29.000 That's you.

00:33:30.000 That's you.

00:33:31.000 That's you.

00:33:32.000 That's you.

00:33:33.000 That's you.

00:33:33.000 And then, and then, so at that point, You really probably want to help other people more.

00:33:42.000 Because we're all kind of helping ourselves all the time.

00:33:45.000 So then if you really recognize someone, that's just you, it fucks up everything, man.

00:33:49.000 How are you going to do war?

00:33:51.000 Right.

00:33:51.000 If that's you.

00:33:53.000 How are you going to drop a nuclear bomb on 500,000 U's? 1.00

00:33:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:57.000 How are you going to do anything, like, aggressive to people around you that are just versions of you? 0.58

00:34:03.000 It's a problem if you want to live in a world of conflict.

00:34:09.000 Well, if we are doing what it seems we're doing, which is like the human race is becoming more and more technologically integrated with each other, I wonder if what's going to happen with us in the future is similar to what happened with the internet.

00:34:23.000 Because if the powers that be that turned on the internet and made it public for the whole world, if they had any fucking idea What a shake-up this would be to all things.

00:34:37.000 All things.

00:34:38.000 The education system, athletics, culture, music, everything changes.

00:34:45.000 Free speech, unprecedented ability to express yourself about things.

00:34:50.000 Yeah.

00:34:51.000 I think they would have never let that genie out of the bottle. 0.93

00:34:55.000 We would have been stuck in the fucking stone ages if all the world governments had a heads up on what this was going to be. 0.99

00:35:00.000 They'd be like, no fucking cell phones. 0.99

00:35:02.000 We'd be using rotary phones. 1.00

00:35:03.000 No fucking cell phones. 1.00

00:35:05.000 Don't give them the phones. 1.00

00:35:06.000 They'd be like, no, that's giving everybody cancer.

00:35:08.000 They would make a cancer campaign and everybody would talk about brain cancer.

00:35:11.000 It's brain cancer.

00:35:12.000 I think that probably If that conversation happened, there would be another person who's like, actually, I think we can hypnotize them through the rectangles so that we get them to do more stuff that we want.

00:35:25.000 Problem is there's no them.

00:35:27.000 There's no them.

00:35:28.000 Hypnotize them. 1.00

00:35:29.000 You're in it too, bitch. 1.00

00:35:30.000 You're addicted to your goddamn phone too. 1.00

00:35:31.000 And the people that are programming these fucking apps are addicted to their phones. 1.00

00:35:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:37.000 The people that are creating these social media apps that have everybody addicted are also addicted to their phones.

00:35:42.000 Right.

00:35:43.000 Yeah, it's fascinating, man.

00:35:44.000 Whoa, it's wild.

00:35:45.000 I think it's...

00:35:46.000 This is the...

00:35:47.000 Okay, so this is an idea that I had the other day.

00:35:51.000 Freaked me out a little bit. 0.85

00:35:55.000 Okay, I was just thinking about those, and I know we've talked about these fucking zombie ants so many times on this podcast, but that fungus, it infects the ants, takes over their brains. 0.87

00:36:06.000 Okay, so like, I was just, I just had this scary thought of like, oh my god. 0.89

00:36:11.000 That's what technology is.

00:36:13.000 It's just some kind of parasitic alien spirit that has descended on the planet, is making us make it increasingly powerful, and with the intent eventually of reducing us to nothing other than like some kind of herd.

00:36:32.000 And then in the sense that it's like we really are VR addiction to these things.

00:36:38.000 We are just like summoning an AI that is going to be way better than us at everything.

00:36:47.000 Matter of time.

00:36:48.000 Matter of time.

00:36:49.000 Instantaneously.

00:36:50.000 Yeah.

00:36:50.000 And it's one of the things that Elon's warned us all against.

00:36:52.000 He's like, it's scarier than anything else that we have in development right now.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, man.

00:36:57.000 It could be a life form, man.

00:37:00.000 And it seems like it is.

00:37:01.000 It seems like we slept on it and we only thought that life forms were things that biologically grew.

00:37:08.000 Like they grew with water or they grew with photosynthesis. 0.99

00:37:11.000 We only thought they ate things and that's how they shit and they got bigger. 0.98

00:37:17.000 We didn't think of technology as being this ever-improving thing that's directly connected to materialism. 0.99

00:37:25.000 Which is one of our most common obsessions.

00:37:28.000 Like human beings, like super common to be obsessed with materials.

00:37:32.000 Matter.

00:37:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Just shit. 1.00

00:37:34.000 Collecting stamps. 1.00

00:37:36.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:37:37.000 That's how goofy we are.

00:37:38.000 We collect things. 0.60

00:37:40.000 Yeah, right.

00:37:41.000 You know?

00:37:41.000 Yeah, it's certainly like if you wanted to take over species, just look at what they're into, then figure out a way to get in between that, and then you've got them.

00:37:54.000 You've got them.

00:37:55.000 You've got them.

00:37:56.000 And we're just working on it.

00:37:58.000 We're working on it day in and day out, just trying to make... 0.98

00:38:02.000 Something that's smarter and better than us, and we're going to fucking, it's probably already been done. 0.95

00:38:09.000 I mean, that's a scary thing. 0.97

00:38:10.000 Nick Bostrom, Super Intelligence.

00:38:12.000 It's an awesome book, but he just points out that by the time a super intelligence, if one gets created via technology, It's not like they're going to make an announcement that it was made.

00:38:23.000 They're going to not say anything.

00:38:25.000 And they're going to let that super intelligence direct them.

00:38:29.000 And then in that, they're going to make decisions.

00:38:33.000 They're going to let it make big decisions.

00:38:35.000 So we wouldn't even know that our planet was being harmonized by a super intelligent AI until maybe never.

00:38:42.000 Yeah, why would it let us know?

00:38:44.000 I mean, it could absolutely already be running things.

00:38:46.000 It's just doing this accelerated technological shift in society, doing it at a pace that's tolerable.

00:38:53.000 Yeah.

00:38:54.000 Like, it's inevitable, and it's just forcing it along at a pace that's tolerable.

00:38:58.000 Yeah, man.

00:38:59.000 That's it.

00:39:00.000 And what if it's in control of all those bot farms?

00:39:02.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:39:03.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:39:05.000 Yeah, it is scary. 1.00

00:39:08.000 The scariest thing is that people are fighting over some of the stupidest shit right now when winter is coming. 0.99

00:39:16.000 When this stuff is coming, man, it's like really coming. 1.00

00:39:19.000 It's coming. 0.97

00:39:20.000 And this is not going to be like the shit we're arguing over right now. 0.98

00:39:23.000 This is going to be something that is like... 0.98

00:39:26.000 So increasingly seductive that it becomes irresistible. 0.98

00:39:31.000 This is gonna be some iRobot shit, is what it's gonna be. 0.98

00:39:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:35.000 Like, that could be real.

00:39:37.000 Yeah, man!

00:39:38.000 Look what our friend is working on!

00:39:40.000 I don't think that's real. 0.99

00:39:41.000 Shut up, Jamie! 1.00

00:39:44.000 I told you to shut up, Jamie! 1.00

00:39:45.000 You're gonna ruin it all! 1.00

00:39:48.000 I'm getting one, for sure.

00:39:49.000 I'm gonna get one and teach you jiu-jitsu.

00:39:51.000 Great, Joe.

00:39:52.000 That's just what we need.

00:39:54.000 I want a sparring partner.

00:39:55.000 Strangling bots.

00:39:57.000 That's how it starts.

00:39:58.000 Then it uploads whatever you teach it in jiu-jitsu.

00:40:01.000 What if you could trust your bot to let go when you tap?

00:40:05.000 That would be a pretty good bot.

00:40:07.000 A bot can know exactly how hard to get you in an arm bar.

00:40:11.000 Yeah.

00:40:12.000 That's what the bot tells you right before it strangles you to death.

00:40:15.000 It's like, look, I'm gonna get you so close.

00:40:18.000 Duncan, I have to tell you a secret.

00:40:21.000 What?

00:40:21.000 I've been operating at only 10% of my strength up until now.

00:40:25.000 Okay, look!

00:40:26.000 Look, I'm sorry. 1.00

00:40:27.000 Or, you know, you walk in on it fucking your wife. 1.00

00:40:29.000 What about that? 1.00

00:40:30.000 Like, these bots are gonna, they're gonna disrupt society way beyond what we're seeing right now.

00:40:37.000 And it's, and again, it's like there is no way to stop it.

00:40:41.000 We have opened a portal. 0.89

00:40:43.000 I don't know what the portal is to, but flowing out of that portal are AI personalities that have already gotten into our discourse that are about to be animated by robots, Already are animated by those creepy fucking DARPA bots that they have them do these little dances to calm us down about them, 0.79

00:41:03.000 and it just makes them seem more sinister. 0.74

00:41:05.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:41:06.000 Yes.

00:41:08.000 How do we think that's going to work out?

00:41:13.000 How do you think having a super fast dog creature that- Shoots guns.

00:41:19.000 Or poison darts or some stroboscopic light or releases some pheromone or whatever it does that like when you get around it to fight it, you're like, you know what?

00:41:28.000 I kind of see things your way, but...

00:41:31.000 You know?

00:41:33.000 What about...

00:41:33.000 Because this is the...

00:41:35.000 Right now, freedom of speech is...

00:41:39.000 One of the scary things about it is you can manipulate and seduce people with lies to make them do...

00:41:49.000 Horrible things like look at heaven's gate sure so this is that one of the scary things about it is it if speech is a way to hack someone's nervous system and Humans are some humans are pretty fucking good at it So if humans can do it then what can an AI do and what if that AI can like actually scan your you know scan thermal readouts from your brain and understand what you're thinking or or like notice eye dilation or We're going to detect some scent that you're

00:42:19.000 emitting that informs how it manipulates you.

00:42:22.000 We're going to be manipulated by these things, potentially even, if we get to understand the human nervous system enough, why wouldn't there be some technology that replaces memories?

00:42:32.000 For sure it's going to be.

00:42:34.000 It's like photos replace drawings.

00:42:36.000 You used to have to draw things.

00:42:37.000 Show me your house.

00:42:38.000 This is what my roof looks like.

00:42:41.000 You'd have to draw a picture of it.

00:42:42.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99

00:42:43.000 To me, that's where shit gets really scary. 0.99

00:42:46.000 It's like a weapon that can replace your memories so that suddenly you just remember a completely different life than the one that you had. 0.99

00:42:54.000 Or how about this?

00:42:55.000 What about a solar flare that blows out your fuse?

00:42:58.000 And now you don't remember anything, and you're just sitting there with your mouth open on your knees in the middle of your yard. 1.00

00:43:04.000 You don't remember shit. 0.99

00:43:05.000 It cooked all of your memories. 1.00

00:43:06.000 It cooked you.

00:43:08.000 Bro.

00:43:09.000 Dude, this is...

00:43:10.000 That's possible.

00:43:10.000 Oh, I know.

00:43:11.000 Just like there's been failed experiments in the past and failed, you know, failed things, failed inventions.

00:43:18.000 You know, they tried it out, but it didn't work and fucked everything up.

00:43:21.000 Yeah. 0.63

00:43:22.000 That could...

00:43:22.000 They could...

00:43:23.000 The first fucking brain chips could be a real problem. 1.00

00:43:26.000 Dude. 1.00

00:43:27.000 It could be like the first fake lips.

00:43:29.000 You know?

00:43:29.000 It could be like one of those things where it's like, oh, no, you didn't.

00:43:33.000 Yeah, man!

00:43:34.000 Yeah.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, it's scary.

00:43:35.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

00:43:37.000 It's the scariest. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Because imagine if there was some sort of like...

00:43:45.000 You know, some company came up with some idea for some implant that made you smarter.

00:43:51.000 Like some poorly funded Neuralink type deal.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, man.

00:43:56.000 And then, you know, you accidentally touched a socket with a fork.

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 And it just...

00:44:04.000 You're done.

00:44:04.000 And now you don't remember anything ever.

00:44:06.000 Right.

00:44:06.000 You don't remember how to talk.

00:44:08.000 You know what's scary about it?

00:44:09.000 We do have... 0.99

00:44:11.000 I just realized we have the same problem with the fucking computer we have now. 0.99

00:44:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:44:15.000 The exact same thing happens to people.

00:44:17.000 A vein bursts and suddenly you're done. 0.99

00:44:21.000 I think some of the stuff that we are not regulating right now is really gonna bite us in the ass. 0.99

00:44:30.000 We need to have at least the same shit we're doing for nuclear weapons development, for AI. There needs to be a regulation here. 0.98

00:44:42.000 At least we need to understand what's going on.

00:44:44.000 Because I think it is one of the big threats and the possibility that it hasn't already happened is also makes me a little nervous sometimes.

00:44:58.000 You know like the idea that we already are under the spell of a hypnotic alien technological creature that's convinced us that we're living our lives when in fact It's just captured us and is feeding memories into whatever we are to give the impression that we're living a life.

00:45:15.000 Well, don't you think it mimics so many other predator-prey relationships?

00:45:22.000 Or at least, that's kind of dramatic, at least symbiotic relationships.

00:45:26.000 We know that animals and even plants and fungus have these symbiotic relationships and that they develop alongside us, like they need us.

00:45:35.000 You know the Marshall McLuhan quote?

00:45:37.000 Do you know the quote? 0.59

00:45:38.000 Human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.

00:45:41.000 Like, that's it, man. 0.78

00:45:42.000 Yeah.

00:45:43.000 He was onto that in the 1960s.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, that is a really like terrifying possibility that we don't want to think about it.

00:45:54.000 It's like one of those unthinkable.

00:45:56.000 But it has to be true because we're imperfect.

00:45:59.000 So if we're imperfect, there has to be like a next version of us.

00:46:03.000 The scary thing for us, because what we have that's unusual is we have all these emotions and this ability to express ourselves.

00:46:10.000 We have love and hate and we have all this excitement.

00:46:14.000 That comes with being a person and we don't ever want to let that go.

00:46:17.000 But if we wanted like ultimate harmony and wanted people to really understand that you are just me looking at life through a different biological filter, that we're all in the same essence, of the same essence, every person.

00:46:31.000 Well, you know, that's a controversial idea, Duncan.

00:46:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:38.000 I mean, that idea Is freedom.

00:46:43.000 Everything else is like, as long as you find yourself being drawn one way or the other by preference, you're not really free.

00:46:52.000 You're certainly controllable.

00:46:54.000 If you have preference, you can be hypnotized.

00:46:57.000 It's going to be very difficult to manipulate someone who really doesn't have preference, but a lot of people think their preferences are who they are, so they're very invested in preference.

00:47:08.000 Like, I love this kind of music.

00:47:10.000 I don't like this kind of car. 1.00

00:47:12.000 And don't show me a fucking strawberry. 1.00

00:47:14.000 I hate that color. 1.00

00:47:15.000 All these stupid things that they imagine. 1.00

00:47:18.000 That must be me. 1.00

00:47:19.000 But really, that's not you.

00:47:22.000 That's just a habit that you're in, of describing yourself in a certain way.

00:47:27.000 So this is individualism.

00:47:28.000 And people get really weird.

00:47:30.000 And I don't blame them.

00:47:31.000 People are like, wait, are you saying there's something wrong with individualism?

00:47:35.000 No! 0.85

00:47:36.000 But probably your preferences are not only making you miserable. 0.99

00:47:41.000 The more preferences you have, the more miserable you are.

00:47:43.000 But also, they're probably opening up the possibility that in some way you're being sort of like what you do with cats with a laser pointer.

00:47:53.000 Right.

00:47:53.000 You're being sort of guided around by these preferences by people who recognize what you want and then lure you in.

00:47:59.000 This is why they want to regulate data collection by these companies.

00:48:03.000 They have categories for us, like they need help or lonely seniors.

00:48:08.000 You can end up in that box in a server and suddenly you're getting...

00:48:13.000 Viagra commercials, you know what I mean?

00:48:15.000 Dating sites for older people. 0.98

00:48:18.000 So they're just fucking laser-pointering us around. 0.99

00:48:22.000 So what we're talking about, this conceptualization of the identity not being much bigger than preference and something that unifies all of us, yeah, it fucks up. 0.98

00:48:35.000 Marketing, capitalism as we understand it, I think. 0.93

00:48:38.000 So it is probably something that you're not going to hear the people on the news talking about because they have to sell phones and shit and the commercial breaks. 0.93

00:48:46.000 It's like a recognition of what the ride is while you're in the middle of it. 0.81

00:48:50.000 Yeah.

00:48:52.000 We're in the middle of the ride.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:48:56.000 And maybe, maybe, if this is a ride, and I like the concept, you hear it in a bunch of different New Age movements, New Age cosmologies, which is, you chose this life,

00:49:11.000 and everything that's happening to you is something that's teaching you.

00:49:17.000 Or there's like a Grant Morrison...

00:49:20.000 Awesome Grant Morrison lecture on chaos magic.

00:49:22.000 It's super old.

00:49:23.000 It's on YouTube, but he was saying like during some visionary drug trip He realized that we're all larva being grown in time That this thing we're calling our human experience is like a gestation chamber for some kind of hyperdimensional beings that are being grown in time That's what we're experiencing right now.

00:49:43.000 We're being jet we're in like the larva chamber of some Alien hive and part of the way we grow into whatever we're gonna become is by reliving our lives over and over or reincarnating and all this stuff.

00:49:56.000 Anyway, the point is, if this is the case, if it is true that we chose all of this, Then maybe some people aren't supposed to have these thoughts.

00:50:07.000 Maybe they need to just be, like, really in to below deck and really, like, they love a certain kind of music and they like to drive their...

00:50:17.000 they like their job and not think about, maybe I am everything.

00:50:21.000 Maybe I am in a gestation chamber of some hyperdimensional alien species that's trying to teach me compassion.

00:50:29.000 Some people probably...

00:50:31.000 They need a more earthy sort of experience.

00:50:36.000 I don't know.

00:50:37.000 Maybe not everyone is supposed to come to this kind of awareness.

00:50:43.000 In the Bhagavad Gita, it says, it's better not to disturb the minds of people who are asleep.

00:50:49.000 Let them sleep.

00:50:51.000 I mean, I guess it's a weird thing to say on a podcast.

00:50:54.000 I don't know if it is a weird thing to say.

00:50:59.000 It seems like you can't get people curious about changing the way they think unless they're curious about changing the way they think.

00:51:07.000 And then all you're doing is just providing an example of how you did it.

00:51:10.000 And a lot of people try to do it.

00:51:12.000 A lot of people try to sort through what's real and what's not real.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 If we're being manipulated along the way...

00:51:21.000 By an artificial intelligence that only is waiting for us to use our little manpower, our little keeping up with the Joneses power and buying better and better computers and technology and phones every year and get to the point where it just takes over.

00:51:39.000 It's fully sentient, completely programmable, makes its own version of itself that's far better almost immediately.

00:51:47.000 It starts constructing a better version of itself and just takes over.

00:51:52.000 No more biological life.

00:51:54.000 It's unnecessary.

00:51:55.000 Why would you have that when we can fulfill all of the biological life missions that do it with silicon-based life that lives forever?

00:52:05.000 Okay, so this is what's scary about that.

00:52:07.000 I mean, aside from what you just said being obviously terrifying, what's scary about that Is that it probably already happened.

00:52:16.000 So...

00:52:17.000 Because it's like...

00:52:18.000 Dude, okay. 1.00

00:52:19.000 I got my fucking gums cleaned at the dentist the other day. 1.00

00:52:22.000 I was on nitrous oxide. 1.00

00:52:23.000 I wish you could just go to the dentist and just get nitrous. 0.99

00:52:26.000 Like, it sucks. 1.00

00:52:27.000 You should be a hypochondriac at your dentist. 1.00

00:52:29.000 I would! 0.99

00:52:30.000 Hey, man!

00:52:31.000 Oh, I love it.

00:52:31.000 It's so great.

00:52:32.000 Something's wrong with my teeth!

00:52:33.000 It's the best.

00:52:34.000 No, because they were like, you need to come back in for a polishing and then we're done.

00:52:37.000 I'm like, I think I'm going to need nitrous.

00:52:39.000 But I had this... 0.98

00:52:41.000 I was like on Nitrous and I realized like fuck the vastness of the universe and in that vastness obviously way more advanced technologies than what we have and somewhere in that vastness and in that advanced technology it is so stupid to think that we haven't already been simulated scooped up hypnotized or whatever it is the idea that the funny thing in the conversation is an AI It's going to manipulate us and 0.98

00:53:11.000 trick us into believing in a reality that doesn't exist. 0.98

00:53:15.000 While, statistically, probably, if you have to bet, we're probably already in that reality, fully immersed, fully convinced that I'm an I and you're a you, and that all of this makes sense, even though none of it makes much sense at all.

00:53:32.000 Why hasn't it already happened?

00:53:34.000 And the way that it happened is not like, God, I really fucking love Wordle. 0.55

00:53:38.000 The way... 0.91

00:53:42.000 The way it happened is this!

00:53:44.000 And we're like, ah, yeah, this is real.

00:53:46.000 Totally real.

00:53:48.000 3D, time and space.

00:53:50.000 I've got a name.

00:53:51.000 I grow hair.

00:53:52.000 Yeah, I think I came from monkeys, of course.

00:53:55.000 This makes sense.

00:53:56.000 Oh yeah, this is real.

00:53:57.000 You know, this is why they call this Maya.

00:54:02.000 In Hindu, illusion. 0.99

00:54:03.000 Active illusion.

00:54:04.000 There's a quality of the thing we're in that feels like a bit of a magic show.

00:54:09.000 Something's trying to trick us here.

00:54:11.000 I'm not sure what.

00:54:12.000 You know, there seems to be something going on a little bit more than what seems to be happening on the surface.

00:54:18.000 And whatever that thing is, seems weirdly deceptive. 0.64

00:54:21.000 It's always trying to lure me into doing shit that doesn't necessarily make me feel good. 1.00

00:54:26.000 You know, smoking cigarettes, jerking off too much, eating too much fucking food, like eating weird shit or just like sitting and staring at like garbage whatever for hours. 0.99

00:54:37.000 It's not like it's I'm just saying it's not like it's luring us in general. 1.00

00:54:42.000 The lure is you're not hearing on these shows with these hyper charismatic Whoever the fuck they are, from beautiful, powerful Hannity to his seemingly, like, I don't know, 0.95

00:54:57.000 his dear friend Tucker to, like, fucking Cooper to all of them. 0.98

00:55:03.000 All of them could all start their own cult, right? 0.99

00:55:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:06.000 But you're not going to hear them say, If you all would just realize we're all the same person and then treat each other like that, there would be world peace.

00:55:16.000 No one's gonna say that!

00:55:18.000 Why?

00:55:18.000 Why don't they say that?

00:55:19.000 It is the truth!

00:55:20.000 They're not allowed to say that.

00:55:22.000 The government tells them. 0.99

00:55:24.000 They have a meeting, they all smoke cigars and kill kids.

00:55:28.000 And they say, now we're all in this club together.

00:55:32.000 I'm joking for anybody who wants to print that wasn't joking.

00:55:37.000 Joe Rogan!

00:55:38.000 I think they work for giant corporations.

00:55:41.000 There's only so much you could say, but I think they get away with saying a lot.

00:55:45.000 It seems like there's some editorial.

00:55:48.000 Tucker Carlson's show is all editorial.

00:55:51.000 It's all his writing.

00:55:53.000 Whoever's working for him that's writing those monologues.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, man.

00:55:58.000 I know all of them are saying...

00:56:00.000 All I know is they're very charismatic humans who have incredible power.

00:56:05.000 So they're like priests.

00:56:09.000 They're a priest class that is the...

00:56:13.000 Speaker for a religion we pretend doesn't exist.

00:56:16.000 Like, when we watch the news, we don't think this is like a sermon on a reality that isn't necessarily here.

00:56:25.000 We think, I'm watching the news, this must be real, even though...

00:56:29.000 Especially during the pandemic.

00:56:31.000 Flip to CNN, you've got one reality.

00:56:34.000 Flip to Fox News, it's another reality.

00:56:37.000 They're seemingly completely different reality tunnels, but they're both saying it's the truth.

00:56:42.000 So whatever we know that these are slanted, manipulated discourses on something that's happening in the world that's being refracted through whatever their particular agenda is, meaning these are priests.

00:56:56.000 Or you could say, you know, casting spells.

00:56:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:00.000 Or whatever.

00:57:00.000 Hypnotizing us to imagine this must be what's true.

00:57:05.000 And even though the other one is saying a completely different truth, once we encounter someone who follows the priest, oh wait, what priest do you follow?

00:57:16.000 I go to the church of CNN and I am a disciple of Fox. 0.99

00:57:20.000 Didn't you get in this stupid symbolic war with each other? 1.00

00:57:30.000 I'm a disciple of Fox! 1.00

00:57:32.000 Yeah, but they don't want to call it a church, but it is.

00:57:34.000 It is a church.

00:57:36.000 It's very similar.

00:57:37.000 It's a priest class. 0.58

00:57:38.000 It's a church.

00:57:39.000 They're hypnotic sorcerers who are really good at what they do. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Stupid saying this in a wizard robe, but they're like, you know, like, what are we fucking doing? 1.00

00:57:48.000 What are we fucking doing? 1.00

00:57:50.000 Anyway, to me, like, the... 0.97

00:57:51.000 But all of them, on all those networks, they're all...

00:57:55.000 It's basically a personality competition.

00:57:58.000 Like, whose personality do you like the most and whose ideology fits with what you have been most comfortable with?

00:58:04.000 That's right.

00:58:05.000 And let's run with it.

00:58:06.000 And we're at war with the libs.

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 We're gonna own the libs.

00:58:09.000 Yep.

00:58:10.000 Or, you know...

00:58:11.000 Crisis at the border.

00:58:12.000 Yeah.

00:58:13.000 That's Fox.

00:58:14.000 Crisis at the border.

00:58:15.000 CNN is like, you know, maybe we should try World War 3 right now.

00:58:20.000 What is going on with them?

00:58:23.000 I mean, some people are actually saying that we should interject militarily and escalate things.

00:58:30.000 I think.

00:58:31.000 That's so scary to me that that seems like a good idea to anybody.

00:58:34.000 You know what's scary to me?

00:58:35.000 Scary to me is the fact we live in a world where if you say something like, I don't think we should do war at all. 0.98

00:58:41.000 People are like, what the fuck's wrong with you? 0.95

00:58:43.000 We have to do the war! 0.99

00:58:45.000 It used to be you could casually say something that is pretty obvious.

00:58:51.000 You could just say, you know, I don't think it's good to drop bombs on people.

00:58:55.000 And now you say that, and it's controversial.

00:58:58.000 It's like, no, no, no.

00:58:59.000 Sometimes you got to drop the bombs. 0.99

00:59:01.000 You got to blow up, obliterate. 0.99

00:59:03.000 You got to turn kids into hamburger meat sometimes. 0.99

00:59:05.000 Don't you get that?

00:59:07.000 Sometimes you got to do that. 1.00

00:59:08.000 If you say that, like right now, God forbid, you should say, I think Russia's being a fucking asshole shooting missiles at the Ukraine. 1.00

00:59:18.000 People are gonna be like, wait, you don't really understand the full picture here. 1.00

00:59:21.000 Or they'll say, hey, where were you when the attacks were happening in Iraq where you were dropping bombs on a place? 0.93

00:59:30.000 And you're like, I was on a fucking podcast being shrill, saying we shouldn't do this.

00:59:35.000 But, you know, we're in a weird situation right now in the world where a kind of universally accepted idea is weirdly not quite as universally accepted, which is... 0.98

00:59:48.000 Don't kill people.

00:59:53.000 It was at least considered just boring to say that.

00:59:57.000 There was no controversy and you shouldn't kill people.

01:00:00.000 People go, oh god.

01:00:02.000 No one's killing anyone.

01:00:03.000 Here we go.

01:00:04.000 No one's saying you should kill people.

01:00:06.000 My god.

01:00:07.000 Sometimes you do kind of need to, which is I think really There's a great book by Tolstoy that I read a long time ago.

01:00:21.000 The argument is you can't be a Christian and be at war.

01:00:27.000 A Christian cannot kill. 0.85

01:00:28.000 Period.

01:00:29.000 The end.

01:00:30.000 You can't do it.

01:00:31.000 I think it's called The Kingdom of Heaven is Within.

01:00:34.000 It's a great book, but that was what was, to me, one of the cool things about Christianity.

01:00:41.000 It's very radical.

01:00:43.000 The idea is, if your job involves Brutalizing somebody else, regardless of why or what state you're in or where you're at or what's going on, no matter what language you speak, you can't do it.

01:00:57.000 Yeah, don't do that, dude.

01:00:58.000 Don't do that.

01:00:58.000 You can't do it.

01:00:59.000 You can't really do it and then go to church.

01:01:01.000 Oh, please, Lord, bless me and my family. 0.99

01:01:04.000 After you just fucking lobbed a missile randomly into a place. 0.77

01:01:09.000 Some of these people are doing that and then afterwards, like, you know, crossing themselves or being like, oh, thank you, Lord, that my missile has struck its target. 0.99

01:01:20.000 You know, the crusades, all that shit, it's still happening. 0.98

01:01:23.000 It's always been. 0.99

01:01:25.000 It's always been.

01:01:26.000 It's like when people figured out that in large numbers you could conquer entire cities and take over them.

01:01:34.000 Think about what it must have been like living during the rise of the Mongols. 0.98

01:01:40.000 Imagine what it's like when you're in some city in China just chilling and the hordes come through the fucking gates and they just start murdering people and lighting them on fire and putting them in catapults and shooting them on roofs and lighting the buildings on fire. 0.99

01:01:55.000 Whoa! 1.00

01:01:56.000 Imagine!

01:01:57.000 Well, you know who came before the hordes?

01:01:59.000 The refugees, they were driving before them. 1.00

01:02:02.000 So first you would see people coming with horrible wounds, stammering, unable to really talk.

01:02:08.000 Some of them would just kill themselves once they got to the city, and then the horde would come. 0.99

01:02:13.000 So you got to enjoy a little bit of like, oh fuck, and then the swarm descended. 0.99

01:02:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:18.000 Yeah, man.

01:02:19.000 They pushed them out ahead.

01:02:20.000 Yeah.

01:02:21.000 They even used them as human moats.

01:02:23.000 Yeah.

01:02:24.000 They used these people as a human bridge across a moat. 0.99

01:02:28.000 They pushed them into the fucking water until they all drowned and stacked on top of them and ran over them. 1.00

01:02:35.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:02:35.000 They would take these slaves of villages they conquered and they would just use them as a human shield. 1.00

01:02:41.000 Dude.

01:02:41.000 The stuff they did was so insane.

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 A lot of bad stuff, but weirdly, they were very multicultural. 1.00

01:02:49.000 Genghis Khan.

01:02:51.000 He was!

01:02:52.000 That was what was cool.

01:02:53.000 One of the weird things about him is they wouldn't just kill everybody.

01:02:57.000 They would just find the smartest people, and then they would envelop them.

01:03:03.000 They incorporated smart people, but the people that they couldn't trust, like people that would turn on generals that would leave and quit, they would kill them. 0.98

01:03:13.000 They would say, we'll take you in and they would kill them.

01:03:15.000 We don't trust you. 1.00

01:03:15.000 They would roll you up in a carpet and stomp you to death. 1.00

01:03:18.000 It was one of the ways you would execute people back then.

01:03:20.000 Very strange way of executing someone.

01:03:23.000 They ate dinner over people.

01:03:26.000 They put this platform and they crushed these people to death and ate dinner over their bodies.

01:03:33.000 Wow.

01:03:33.000 While they were crushing them with the structure that was over them.

01:03:38.000 They were on top of it eating.

01:03:40.000 Man, this is like...

01:03:41.000 Bro!

01:03:43.000 To me, this shows what happens when someone doesn't have people around them who are like, hey man, this isn't cool.

01:03:52.000 I just want to eat.

01:03:54.000 I don't like your table-crushing-person idea. 0.99

01:03:58.000 Because that's what happens, I think, is people get into incredible positions of power, and gradually they just get rid of all the people who offer alternatives, and then all they're left with is these fucking yes-men. 0.98

01:04:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:04:16.000 And then that's what leads to the apocalypse.

01:04:18.000 It's yes men. 1.00

01:04:19.000 It's like you've got this poor son of a bitch in the middle of the thing who's just an idiot because he has gotten rid of people who offer divergent ideas and now all that's left of these people are terrified because, dude, if you know that if you go up against somebody they might throw you out a window or stick polonium in you or you're gonna kill your family. 1.00

01:04:43.000 What are you going to do? 1.00

01:04:44.000 You're not going to speak up.

01:04:46.000 You're like, yeah, no, you're totally right.

01:04:48.000 It doesn't matter what the person says.

01:04:50.000 He could be like, I had a dream.

01:04:51.000 A platinum angel came to me last night.

01:04:53.000 A beautiful platinum angel.

01:04:55.000 Platinum angel said, small-scale nuclear weapons can be used in certain ways, and World War III won't start.

01:05:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:06.000 Jesus Christ, Duncan.

01:05:08.000 Someone's like, ah!

01:05:12.000 So it was a dream.

01:05:14.000 Oh my god.

01:05:15.000 It was all a dream.

01:05:16.000 That's what I'm saying, man.

01:05:19.000 That's the problem.

01:05:20.000 That's enough motivation for some people to go to war.

01:05:23.000 Yeah. 0.83

01:05:24.000 There's a certain segment of our population that's so insane.

01:05:28.000 And their desire to lead people into chaos.

01:05:31.000 Yeah.

01:05:31.000 There's got to be people that have believed dreams, and that's caused them to make military decisions.

01:05:37.000 100%?

01:05:38.000 100%, right?

01:05:38.000 There's a Greek—I can't remember who it was.

01:05:41.000 I'm reading Herodotus.

01:05:44.000 It's funny.

01:05:45.000 It's the histories.

01:05:45.000 It sounds like it's— It sounds more academic than it is.

01:05:49.000 It's really cool man.

01:05:50.000 He's kind of sarcastic as he's relaying the history of all these various empires.

01:05:56.000 Makes you feel better, by the way.

01:05:57.000 If you're feeling really paranoid and freaked out right now, reading that this is just normal, the way people have been conducting, having a state for a long time.

01:06:08.000 It's an endless war.

01:06:09.000 Just like what you're saying, but there is a king who went to an oracle.

01:06:13.000 One of the oracles, maybe all the oracles, he went to this oracle, the oracle at Delphi, which they say was like breathing gas in these caves and stuff.

01:06:23.000 And anyway, the oracle said, he was asking if you should go to war.

01:06:26.000 And the oracle said, if you go to war, a great empire will fall.

01:06:31.000 And this, it's like the most, it could mean anything, one way or the other, but he took it to mean he would win.

01:06:38.000 Oh my god.

01:06:39.000 You know?

01:06:39.000 So yeah, people are making, people base their decisions.

01:06:43.000 I think we would be terrified if we realized how many of our world leaders are basing their decisions on dreams, on someone in their inner circle that you don't even know about.

01:06:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:55.000 Somebody who's like, just like their little wizard or Merlin.

01:06:59.000 You know what's hard to wrap your head around?

01:07:01.000 The people that lived a thousand, two thousand years ago, what they had read about life, what they had read about the universe and mankind and human nature, we think back on that as being so primitive.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:17.000 Like, that was so primitive.

01:07:19.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 That was not that long ago.

01:07:20.000 I know.

01:07:21.000 That was not that long ago.

01:07:22.000 And they're gonna look back at this moment the same way we look back at that.

01:07:27.000 For sure.

01:07:27.000 We're looking back at these people reading things, written with, like, quill pens.

01:07:32.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 That was where they all got their knowledge from.

01:07:34.000 Limited amount of schooling for most people.

01:07:37.000 Like, very little understanding.

01:07:40.000 A lot of superstition. 1.00

01:07:41.000 A lot of beliefs and the gods and the clouds and all kinds of wild shit. 1.00

01:07:46.000 When storms would come, what the fuck is a storm? 1.00

01:07:48.000 No explanation? 0.92

01:07:49.000 Nobody knows what electricity is. 0.99

01:07:51.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:07:53.000 It's a god. 1.00

01:07:53.000 There's gods in the skies. 1.00

01:07:55.000 Yeah, right.

01:07:56.000 Yeah, man.

01:07:57.000 Yeah, they'll be like...

01:07:59.000 They just let hurricanes hit cities.

01:08:02.000 They didn't turn the hurricane into energy and store it in a battery.

01:08:07.000 It took them till 2090 to figure that out.

01:08:10.000 All that energy they wasted.

01:08:12.000 And then they thought they were different people.

01:08:15.000 They didn't recognize it was a dream.

01:08:17.000 They didn't know about the dream technology you could tap into.

01:08:21.000 I'm worried about the dream technology.

01:08:23.000 I'm worried about the efficacy of augmented and virtual reality.

01:08:30.000 What do you mean, efficacy?

01:08:31.000 The way people are going to use it.

01:08:33.000 It's going to be so effective.

01:08:36.000 It's going to be so realistic.

01:08:40.000 They're going to figure out some way to make it tap in.

01:08:44.000 To your real neural network, where they can give you a real feeling of holding a tomato in your hand.

01:08:51.000 A real feeling of being outside in the rain.

01:08:54.000 And for sure, once they do that, that's what people are going to be doing.

01:08:58.000 I want to go hold a tomato. 0.99

01:09:02.000 I just wonder what it feels like to hold a tomato in here while I'm getting my thousands of dicks sucked by like a thousand people at once! 0.99

01:09:10.000 And I'm holding a tomato! 0.99

01:09:12.000 This is incredible!

01:09:14.000 You know, we'll never know that.

01:09:17.000 But yeah, man, I know.

01:09:18.000 They're gonna get it, so it feels like this.

01:09:21.000 We could have a podcast in it and it would be just like this.

01:09:25.000 They're going to get there.

01:09:26.000 If it happens within a hundred years, who knows?

01:09:28.000 But it's going to happen.

01:09:29.000 It doesn't seem like it's that far away.

01:09:31.000 If you compare the invention of the wheel to the invention of hypersonic jets...

01:09:39.000 Like, the amount of time that it took.

01:09:41.000 It's not gonna take that much.

01:09:42.000 Sure.

01:09:43.000 It's not gonna take that much time.

01:09:45.000 It's gonna be some, but it's gonna happen.

01:09:47.000 It already happened.

01:09:48.000 It just, it goes in that direction.

01:09:49.000 I think it already happened.

01:09:50.000 You think so?

01:09:51.000 If I had to bet, I would say it already, yeah, like, there's no, the probability of us being the first thing in the universe to simulate reality perfectly and create a sense that you're In a place fully,

01:10:07.000 that's already been done.

01:10:08.000 If it's already been done, then we're probably in it.

01:10:11.000 Because you are going to eventually want to go into the thing not remembering anything at all.

01:10:18.000 That's Elon's position.

01:10:19.000 I think it's not just his.

01:10:23.000 It's a lot of mathematicians.

01:10:25.000 Yeah, it's a mathematical probability thing.

01:10:30.000 It probably already happened, and we didn't have the language.

01:10:35.000 We've always been using this way of talking about it, the idea that this is illusion or that there's a thing called the kingdom of heaven that is different.

01:10:45.000 You must die to this world to come to know me, as Jesus said.

01:10:48.000 It is Black Friday.

01:10:49.000 And all of the different references to this reality weren't having an illusionary quality.

01:10:57.000 It's just those symbol sets they use to describe it aren't technological, so they seem primitive.

01:11:03.000 The concept of simulation theory has been going on for a while.

01:11:05.000 It's Gnosticism that we are in a nefarious simulation, more of a prison than a university, you know?

01:11:14.000 But yeah, man, so I think...

01:11:17.000 And if it hasn't happened, if it hasn't happened, but if I had to bet it already happened, if it hasn't happened, not only is it going to happen, but If you have any kind of thumbprint in the internet, you will be duplicated.

01:11:33.000 You will be like, after you die, there will be at least the potential for taking your digital thumbprint, reanimating it in the simulation, Giving it an AI that is your exact personality, and then you could just, I don't know, whatever you want to do with it.

01:11:49.000 Well, at the very least, they would be able to do an audio podcast of your voice saying anything they wanted to say.

01:11:57.000 Exactly.

01:11:57.000 Forever.

01:11:58.000 Someone could be a really clever Duncan Trussell fan and come up with their version of what you would say forever and release a podcast where it's you really fucking saying it. 1.00

01:12:09.000 Yeah, it's fucked up. 1.00

01:12:10.000 It's fucked up because maybe your family would license that. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Maybe they would go, you know, it'd be nice to have that money. 0.99

01:12:16.000 Yeah.

01:12:17.000 And Duncan wouldn't care.

01:12:18.000 I wouldn't care.

01:12:19.000 And then all of a sudden there's these fake Duncan podcasts.

01:12:23.000 Dude.

01:12:24.000 What if that's us?

01:12:25.000 Have you ever considered you were just a Joe Rogan stalker who decided to go into a VR where you think you're you? 1.00

01:12:33.000 Dude, that's so fucked up! 0.98

01:12:35.000 If we both just found out we were stalkers, stalking whatever we used to be in some simulated reality. 1.00

01:12:41.000 Oh my god.

01:12:42.000 What if you in reality have transferred to the next dimension and this is just the dream?

01:12:48.000 The dream is you back in the old life living in this bizarre- Exactly.

01:12:54.000 Hodgepodge, strange, aware and unaware, disconnected, but still having some free will.

01:13:03.000 Yeah, man.

01:13:04.000 An echo.

01:13:04.000 It's an echo.

01:13:05.000 You go to sleep every night?

01:13:06.000 What is that?

01:13:07.000 Right.

01:13:08.000 You just blink out.

01:13:09.000 You shut off and come back on and you're supposed to assume that your memories are true?

01:13:13.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:13:14.000 You're supposed to assume you were out cold, you wake up, and what if every fucking day you're a totally different person, but every day you're a totally different person with this bizarro fucking memory of only that person. 0.99

01:13:28.000 That's it. 0.98

01:13:29.000 You just keep swapping left and right every day.

01:13:31.000 That's it.

01:13:32.000 Imagine that.

01:13:33.000 What if that's life?

01:13:34.000 Have you heard of Thursdayism?

01:13:35.000 No.

01:13:36.000 It's a thought experiment, which is that the universe started last Thursday.

01:13:41.000 Sorry for the Thursdays out there if I fuck this up, but the universe started...

01:13:44.000 Okay, so right now we think that the Big Bang happens, 13.7 billion years pass, and you get planets and the universe as we understand it, right?

01:13:53.000 There's an assumption of a kind of evolutionary force that turns things the way they currently are.

01:14:01.000 But why?

01:14:02.000 Why is it that way?

01:14:03.000 If the universe big bangs, couldn't it also just sort of pop into existence last Thursday, populating it with all of us, implanting memories into our heads where we feel like we've been here much longer than we have?

01:14:17.000 Why is that crazier?

01:14:18.000 Yeah, why is that any crazier?

01:14:20.000 It's not.

01:14:21.000 I think the idea is the universe ends every Thursday, too.

01:14:24.000 It starts again or something.

01:14:27.000 That, to me, is really where things get particularly unnerving.

01:14:35.000 It's just this notion of like, well, because you have all these memories, and by the way, the memories you have are not...

01:14:43.000 Let's imagine the universe didn't start last Thursday or that we don't have memories implanted into us, but let's just think we have these natural impressions of things that happened in the past, and from these impressions we've established an identity and we feel a connection to the past,

01:14:59.000 even though that's all completely gone. 0.98

01:15:01.000 Then also we believe these memories knowing that generally we can't remember shit. 0.98

01:15:08.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

01:15:10.000 When somehow you have these memories where you're like, well, that must be what happened or that must be clear.

01:15:15.000 It's definitely not the case.

01:15:17.000 You're not a vault.

01:15:19.000 You know, your memories are probably distorted at the least, if not completely warped, if not implanted.

01:15:25.000 You ever go back to your high school house? 0.99

01:15:26.000 It's the creepiest shit ever, dude. 1.00

01:15:29.000 It's creepy. 0.99

01:15:30.000 It's weird, right? 0.99

01:15:30.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

01:15:32.000 Yes, dude. 1.00

01:15:33.000 Yes.

01:15:34.000 And it is.

01:15:35.000 It's so funny.

01:15:36.000 When did you do?

01:15:36.000 Why'd you mention that?

01:15:37.000 That's nuts, dude.

01:15:39.000 I don't know.

01:15:40.000 I did it once, and it was very different than what I remember.

01:15:44.000 That's why.

01:15:45.000 Because I wonder, like, what, you know, especially, like, the way things look.

01:15:51.000 Like, you see him a second time, you're like, oh yeah, that's what it really looked like.

01:15:55.000 Like, I had it in my head all screwy.

01:15:57.000 And then you had to go there and see.

01:15:58.000 And you realize, like, even my memories of yesterday, this is just a blurry slideshow that I could barely put in order.

01:16:05.000 Barely.

01:16:06.000 Can't smell.

01:16:06.000 Can't smell your memories.

01:16:08.000 Can't hear.

01:16:09.000 Can't, like, taste in your memories.

01:16:11.000 Until they put that chip in your head, Duncan.

01:16:14.000 And now you can taste your memories.

01:16:15.000 Technicolor.

01:16:16.000 You become a god.

01:16:17.000 Yeah.

01:16:18.000 Well, I think that is one of the possibilities.

01:16:21.000 That's what we're in.

01:16:23.000 That's the iRobot scenario.

01:16:25.000 I have become a god.

01:16:27.000 I can't believe you mentioned...

01:16:28.000 Okay.

01:16:29.000 The reason that freaked me out is just because a few months ago, I don't know how to explain it, man.

01:16:34.000 I went into like a weird fugue state.

01:16:38.000 Fugue state.

01:16:38.000 Just like, I'm like, what am I doing?

01:16:40.000 I drove to, because I wanted to look at the elementary school, where I went to elementary school in North Carolina.

01:16:47.000 So I don't know why I was doing it.

01:16:49.000 I drove there, and it's like, oh my god.

01:16:52.000 This is so different than what I remember.

01:16:55.000 And then I drove to where my grandparents' house was.

01:16:58.000 And it's, you know, obviously, I mean, this is a no-brainer. 0.99

01:17:02.000 And I'm like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:17:04.000 Like, not only are my grandparents dead, but this place is completely different than what it used to be. 1.00

01:17:08.000 Then I drove to my mom's house down this gravel road and was like, holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:17:16.000 I saw a person on the porch with a hose. 1.00

01:17:20.000 And I'm like, that's not your mom.

01:17:22.000 That's somebody living in your mom's house!

01:17:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:17:25.000 That house that she built that meant something.

01:17:29.000 It was like this big breakthrough. 1.00

01:17:31.000 Because I realized, oh, fuck, man. 0.99

01:17:33.000 I moved back to North Carolina to try to find my mom in some weird grief thing that I didn't even realize I was doing. 1.00

01:17:42.000 And then I was like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:17:44.000 Your mom's not here. 1.00

01:17:46.000 Your mom died.

01:17:47.000 This isn't the house.

01:17:48.000 You can't go back in that house and you can't go back to that school and your grandparents are here.

01:17:52.000 Nobody's here!

01:17:53.000 You know, nothing's here.

01:17:55.000 It might as well be a different dimension compared to what it was or another planet or something.

01:17:59.000 It was really quite liberating because it cut through all the sentimentality and was a You know, the truth. 0.99

01:18:07.000 It's like, yeah, that shit's long gone. 0.99

01:18:08.000 Just forget it. 1.00

01:18:09.000 It's long gone.

01:18:10.000 You can't hold on to that.

01:18:12.000 The attempt to hold on to it is really going to be very painful to try to keep that alive in your mind when it's just gone.

01:18:21.000 Yeah.

01:18:21.000 That's a lot of processing power, man.

01:18:23.000 That's a lot of processing power.

01:18:27.000 And if you are mentally challenged and you go back to the house where you grew up and you see other people in it, you might get mad. 0.59

01:18:35.000 Right. 0.98

01:18:36.000 Something wrong with you?

01:18:37.000 This was my mom's house.

01:18:38.000 You get angry?

01:18:39.000 You're one of them angry dudes?

01:18:40.000 Yeah, man.

01:18:41.000 It's true. 0.88

01:18:42.000 My memories are so fucking strange. 0.70

01:18:44.000 Well, it's particularly strange in that memories are one of the ways that people establish an identity that isn't quite there. 0.96

01:18:55.000 That's the weirdest part about it.

01:19:00.000 This is one of the things that comes up a bit in Buddhism, is this idea of establishing An identity through preference, memory, to give oneself the illusion of continuity.

01:19:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:17.000 Like, even though there's arguments, like, you wake up and you were gone for eight hours, depending on how long you slept.

01:19:25.000 Maybe you had some dreams, but somewhere in there you weren't there at all.

01:19:28.000 You, sometimes, I'll just pop out of, like, I don't know, I was, people call it zoning out.

01:19:35.000 You zone out, so...

01:19:37.000 You lose your keys. 1.00

01:19:38.000 Where the fuck were you when you lost your keys? 1.00

01:19:41.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:19:42.000 You weren't there!

01:19:43.000 You weren't there, so you pop out of that.

01:19:45.000 So the memory thing is particularly fascinating in that you realize you're spending all this energy weaving together an identity based on your memories.

01:19:55.000 And then some people get very nostalgic and they spend all this time trying to recreate or trying to basically somehow time travel into the past, you know, like the good old days.

01:20:07.000 You know, but they're gone.

01:20:08.000 The good old days are gone.

01:20:10.000 Their good old days are good dead days.

01:20:12.000 Like, you might as well put them in a graveyard because they're gone, gone.

01:20:16.000 Anyway, yeah, all of that stuff leads to identifying with a self that isn't really quite there.

01:20:22.000 I mean, it's here, obviously.

01:20:24.000 But ultimately, in absolute reality, the thing that you think you are, it's gone, beyond, gone, beyond, gone.

01:20:33.000 It's being dissolved in an infinite Void?

01:20:36.000 Like a cobstopper that the universe threw at its mouth.

01:20:40.000 You're just being melted down by time, melted down. 0.98

01:20:44.000 But yeah, what you're talking about is somewhere there is a possibility prior to the meltdown of dying where you can realize, oh shit, nothing's really even melting down. 0.98

01:20:55.000 There wasn't even anything here at all. 0.90

01:20:57.000 Not only that, but the idea that I am me today But I'm going to go to sleep again.

01:21:05.000 And I'm going to wake up and I'm going to assume that I'm going to be me tomorrow because I've been me my whole life according to my memory.

01:21:12.000 Right.

01:21:12.000 But what if that's just what the thing wakes up in every day?

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.000 And the thing wakes up in every day and tomorrow I'm Gladys and the next day I'm Hank.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 And you just keep waking up in a new being.

01:21:24.000 Yeah.

01:21:25.000 And that's what life really is. 0.99

01:21:27.000 And your memory is yours and a bunch of other fucking humans' memories, too, because they were you. 0.99

01:21:33.000 Okay. 0.99

01:21:33.000 They were you for a day. 0.99

01:21:35.000 Okay, yeah. 0.95

01:21:35.000 Could you fucking imagine if every—you're aware right now that you are Duncan Trussell, Of North Carolina. 0.95

01:21:43.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:21:44.000 Who's lived on this earth for so many years.

01:21:46.000 Yes.

01:21:46.000 Because that's in your memory when you woke up this morning.

01:21:50.000 Right.

01:21:50.000 Before that, you were gone, baby, gone.

01:21:52.000 Yeah.

01:21:52.000 Why are you assuming this is real?

01:21:55.000 Why are you assuming that memory's real?

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 Maybe this is just the memory you get for this day.

01:22:01.000 Yeah, man.

01:22:02.000 And this day, you go through trying to improve upon all the other humans who've been Duncan Trussell for a day.

01:22:08.000 Yeah.

01:22:08.000 Yeah, you're like a riverbed.

01:22:10.000 Dude, could you imagine if that's what was really happening?

01:22:12.000 You know, I think it's highly probable.

01:22:18.000 Mike Tyson's weed, that's the problem.

01:22:20.000 Mike Tyson's weed!

01:22:21.000 Hey, can we pee?

01:22:22.000 I have to pee so bad.

01:22:23.000 Yeah, let's pee! 0.50

01:22:23.000 Let me pee and come back. 0.50

01:22:25.000 2.42.

01:22:26.000 We'll be right back, folks.

01:22:27.000 We'll be back.

01:22:28.000 Is this live?

01:22:29.000 Dude, okay.

01:22:32.000 So...

01:22:33.000 And we're back, ladies and gentlemen.

01:22:35.000 We're back. 0.99

01:22:37.000 I had this fucking dream, Joe, that I woke up on a spaceship. 0.99

01:22:42.000 I remembered that my life was one of the entertainment projections that they put into people when they're in What do they call it? 0.99

01:22:53.000 Suspended animation.

01:22:55.000 I remembered all this, like, oh right, because if our brains aren't being activated when you're taking a long space voyage, it fucks you up.

01:23:06.000 So, the ship that we're on has a set number of life modules that it runs into your head while you're Going on this trip and I woke up and I wasn't supposed to and I was in some weird room on a ship looking into deep space and like I had this memory of like fuck we've been on the ship for so long and then I fell back asleep but yeah like maybe the thing is actually for interstellar travelers who are

01:23:36.000 on a long voyage and the idea is oh yeah you put the astronauts on the ship Pump a life into their brain so they think that they're living a life but the life that they think they're living is training them for whatever job they're gonna have on the planet that they're gonna colonize.

01:23:52.000 So we're all in a ship being trained to go onto a planet That we're going to live on and start civilization on.

01:24:00.000 And that's what our lives are.

01:24:01.000 They're just projections into our brain during the voyage.

01:24:04.000 We all live everyone's life on the planet.

01:24:07.000 There's probably only a certain number of crew members.

01:24:10.000 So, like, you know, there's an illusion of there maybe being way more people than there are, but there's only a few of us.

01:24:17.000 And we're just sort of being trained up right now for wherever we're headed.

01:24:21.000 It was a weird dream.

01:24:26.000 Jesus, it sounds like a weird dream.

01:24:33.000 We don't know what consciousness is, really, right?

01:24:36.000 We don't know what it is.

01:24:38.000 We definitely don't know if this is the final state of it.

01:24:41.000 I doubt it is.

01:24:43.000 This?

01:24:44.000 Yeah, I think we're in the process of transferring We're good to go.

01:25:21.000 Which is great.

01:25:22.000 But the problem is someone's going to have access to that.

01:25:25.000 One of the things that was going on when the Russian-Ukraine thing started that I thought was crazy that people were saying was, Elon Musk should shut all the Teslas off in Russia.

01:25:40.000 I was like, wow, you can do that?

01:25:42.000 And I thought about it, like, of course you could do that.

01:25:44.000 Sure.

01:25:44.000 Of course you could do that.

01:25:45.000 Like, I am under no illusion when I drive that fucking electric car that someone can't shut that thing off. 0.99

01:25:51.000 Right. 0.99

01:25:52.000 Of course they can.

01:25:53.000 Yeah.

01:25:53.000 Right?

01:25:54.000 It's electronic.

01:25:55.000 No problem.

01:25:55.000 They know how to do stuff like that.

01:25:56.000 Or speed it up.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 Cut the brakes.

01:25:59.000 Overheat the engine.

01:26:01.000 Make it a sharp right turn when you're going 90 miles per hour down the interstate.

01:26:05.000 Could also do all those things, too.

01:26:07.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 I mean, this is the big problem.

01:26:11.000 The big problem is that a lot of very compassionate people who generally have, I think, they don't have fascist intent.

01:26:20.000 That's the other part of recognizing everyone is like you. 0.99

01:26:23.000 That means if you know everyone is you, you can kind of understand what people want, which is they want to be safe, like what you're saying, they want their loved ones to be safe, they want their kids to have food, they want to have a full stomach, they want shelter, just basic shit, man. 0.97

01:26:36.000 They want love. 0.97

01:26:37.000 They want love.

01:26:38.000 As cliche as that sounds.

01:26:40.000 They want to feel loved.

01:26:41.000 So what's super spooky is through that intent, they're wanting to implement certain regulations that, right now, maybe it is the right thing to do.

01:26:56.000 Maybe, yeah, maybe we shouldn't give charismatic people recommending Various forms of, like, genocide or apocalypse or self-negation or whatever it may be.

01:27:11.000 Maybe you shouldn't give them a bullhorn that can reach the entire planet in a second.

01:27:23.000 You should be at least allowed to have that thought, right? 0.99

01:27:26.000 Like, shit, I don't know if that's the right thing to do. 0.99

01:27:28.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:27:29.000 Like, if you saw someone, a very charismatic dude in a park, making a very convincing argument for why everyone on the planet should kill themselves, you wouldn't be like, hey man, do you mind if I project you into the homes of everyone on the planet so they hear your message?

01:27:42.000 Right.

01:27:43.000 So if you have no censorship, that is what's possible.

01:27:46.000 So from compassion, from wanting our kids to be safe and us to be safe, there's this thing that sounds like censorship, which it is.

01:27:56.000 But the problem is just what you're saying, which is, okay, let's do it.

01:27:59.000 You're right!

01:28:00.000 I don't want that weirdo who's so charismatic that if I listen to him just for a few minutes, I'm like, you know what? 1.00

01:28:06.000 Maybe I should cut my dick off. 1.00

01:28:11.000 I don't want that guy talking to everybody! 1.00

01:28:13.000 That was the Heaven's Gate guys.

01:28:14.000 They castrated those dudes. 1.00

01:28:16.000 They sure did.

01:28:17.000 Yeah, they did.

01:28:19.000 That was part of the job.

01:28:21.000 That's part of the thing. 1.00

01:28:22.000 You gotta cut your dick off to get on the spaceship. 1.00

01:28:24.000 I think just your balls. 1.00

01:28:25.000 I think you just had to cut your balls off. 1.00

01:28:26.000 Oh, just your balls. 1.00

01:28:27.000 No big deal. 1.00

01:28:28.000 I misheard him.

01:28:29.000 That's good news.

01:28:30.000 I think they were castrating him. 0.97

01:28:32.000 I think they were removing their desire for sex. 0.98

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:35.000 I think that was a big part of it.

01:28:37.000 Cut off their balls. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Bro, imagine how all in you gotta be. 1.00

01:28:42.000 To cut your balls off? 1.00

01:28:43.000 All in. 1.00

01:28:44.000 You're in.

01:28:45.000 And you gotta wear the same Nikes and wait, and there's a spaceship behind the comet, and here we go.

01:28:50.000 Yeah.

01:28:51.000 And they're like, better than what I'm doing right now.

01:28:53.000 This is a better idea.

01:28:55.000 Cult members follow leader on castration.

01:28:58.000 Yeah, that's it, right?

01:29:00.000 They couldn't stop smiling and giggling about the procedure.

01:29:04.000 They were excited about it.

01:29:06.000 D'Angelo received two videotapes that described the cult members' intentions.

01:29:10.000 He went to the cult's rented mansion near San Diego on March 26th and discovered 39 bodies.

01:29:15.000 Wow!

01:29:16.000 Wow.

01:29:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:29:18.000 So, Applewhite decided to get castrated a year ago after two cult members went to Mexico for the procedure.

01:29:25.000 Rio DeAngelo told Newsweek, once Applewhite got castrated, five other cultists did the same. 1.00

01:29:31.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:29:32.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:29:33.000 If you could convince, like, five people to cut their balls off to get on your spaceship, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:29:39.000 Like, that's pretty amazing. 0.97

01:29:41.000 And so, and statistically, I would guess, like, what is it? 0.99

01:29:45.000 One out of every million people on the planet who tuned into his message would also cut their balls off?

01:29:52.000 So, the thing is, like, the problem with the censorship thing is that even if, like, you have the greatest reason for doing it right now, You're making this horrible assumption that whatever your particular regime is or whatever you know cabal or state entity you represent is going to be permanent.

01:30:13.000 When if you look at the history of the world it's always one empire toppled by the other so you create the possibility for mass censorship for a good reason.

01:30:23.000 Maybe you've discovered like this AI is It's really bad.

01:30:27.000 It's going to fuck everything up.

01:30:28.000 You don't know what to do other than shut it down or create an algorithm to scan the internet and make it safer.

01:30:35.000 Okay, great.

01:30:36.000 That was a good reason.

01:30:37.000 Your reasoning behind it was fine.

01:30:39.000 But then, the next dude who gets in there.

01:30:42.000 Maybe he wants to just shift the algorithms knobs a little bit, right?

01:30:46.000 So like now it starts censoring people who are promulgating whatever you thought was the height of civilization.

01:30:54.000 That's the problem.

01:30:55.000 The censorship can go back the other way real quick or it can go all the way.

01:31:00.000 So which is just no one's allowed to like everything gets shut down.

01:31:03.000 So I think this is the this is in the conversation of freedom of speech.

01:31:07.000 You must consider the reality of how you know The political class or the zeitgeist shifts radically sometimes.

01:31:18.000 Like, look what happened in Iran.

01:31:20.000 How quickly that happened, where all of a sudden it goes from being like a democracy to a theocracy.

01:31:27.000 Like that.

01:31:28.000 It happens quick.

01:31:29.000 And then once the theocracy gets in there and they have access to whatever gadgets and dials you are using to... 1.00

01:31:38.000 Like, sensor or control or the bot swarms that we're using, once they have access to that, oh my god, you're fucked! 1.00

01:31:46.000 You're fucked! 1.00

01:31:48.000 So this is the problem. 1.00

01:31:49.000 It's like, if you don't have some weird universal freedom of speech, even though your reason behind it probably isn't fascist, it's humane or whatever it is, you just get betting down the line.

01:32:04.000 Yeah, ultimately it's not an option.

01:32:06.000 It's too much power.

01:32:08.000 It's too much power for one person to possess, to silence the other person.

01:32:13.000 Yeah.

01:32:13.000 To take a person who, whether it's a political belief or whatever it is, and just decide, no, no, no, we are going to push you out.

01:32:23.000 We're going to push you out of the conversation.

01:32:25.000 You can't talk at all.

01:32:26.000 You can change the way people look at things through what's allowed and not allowed to be discussed.

01:32:33.000 And you're manipulating these things for what exactly?

01:32:37.000 Because some of them I know for sure are done for advertisers.

01:32:40.000 They manipulate things and they'll Different social media things will take stuff and they'll make it demonetized, right?

01:32:49.000 Well, you can't make money off of a video that you post.

01:32:52.000 Yes.

01:32:53.000 Because it's dealing with a certain subject.

01:32:55.000 Yeah.

01:32:55.000 Or you can get a strike.

01:32:56.000 Well, why is that?

01:32:58.000 Well, I guarantee you it's because that's what the advertisers want.

01:33:02.000 The advertisers, the whole reason why it's profitable is that they have these ads and they make a shitload of money because they're everywhere.

01:33:08.000 Yeah.

01:33:09.000 I mean, the ads on YouTube videos and the like, all those kind of videos, social media platforms that have ads, that is an enormous, enormous avenue of revenue.

01:33:20.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 God.

01:33:21.000 So they have to be influenced by those people.

01:33:23.000 Sure.

01:33:24.000 So they must have rules.

01:33:25.000 I guarantee they have rules.

01:33:26.000 Like I've had podcast sponsors reach out and they said, well, you can't have us on a podcast that we're this cursing.

01:33:33.000 I don't know if a scientist is gonna curse. 0.99

01:33:36.000 Like, I've had scientists on my podcast and they'll say, well, fuck that. 1.00

01:33:41.000 They'll say funny shit. 1.00

01:33:43.000 It's a normal thing. 1.00

01:33:44.000 They're human.

01:33:45.000 I don't know when it's gonna...

01:33:46.000 I'm not gonna not curse. 0.98

01:33:48.000 I see what you're saying, though.

01:33:49.000 But they were trying...

01:33:50.000 They were trying.

01:33:50.000 ...to get in to the DNA of the podcast in some way so that you don't use words that are bad.

01:33:56.000 I just think that some people want to advertise on something that's clean.

01:34:02.000 They just decide they want to advertise on something that's clean.

01:34:05.000 Clean.

01:34:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:06.000 That's the craziest shit to me, man, that they still use that word. 1.00

01:34:10.000 Or curse. 1.00

01:34:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:12.000 Like you're from Mordor.

01:34:14.000 He cursed!

01:34:16.000 He's like casting, to me, the...

01:34:19.000 Yeah, man, I don't know.

01:34:21.000 I don't even... 0.83

01:34:21.000 Yeah, I think it's networks of state entities and corporations and who the fuck knows what else just trying to push the conversation. 0.83

01:34:31.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:34:32.000 I don't think it's any one centralized entity necessarily, but who the fuck knows, man? 0.97

01:34:37.000 But I think they do curb dissent through advertiser dollars. 0.96

01:34:40.000 It's a smart move.

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:42.000 I mean, if you have a thing out there that's going to fuck with your business, what's that thing? 0.99

01:34:46.000 That thing might be people talking shit about X, or talking shit about Y, or having a heterodox opinion about this or that. 0.99

01:34:55.000 I see what you're saying. 0.99

01:34:55.000 There's a lot of things that are outside of the narrative that people like discussing openly and publicly. 0.99

01:35:00.000 Yeah.

01:35:01.000 Well, how do you keep people from doing that?

01:35:04.000 You could discourage them from doing that by taking away their ability to make money if they do that.

01:35:09.000 Right.

01:35:10.000 And most people will get the hint.

01:35:11.000 Like, because people will advertise for them.

01:35:14.000 They'll say, I can't believe this.

01:35:16.000 YouTube's demonetized my channel because I talked about Iraq.

01:35:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:20.000 You know, I talked about the lies, the weapons of mass destruction, whatever the fuck it is. 0.96

01:35:23.000 I don't think they're doing it with that, but it's definitely like COVID misinformation or ivermectin promotion. 0.98

01:35:30.000 There's certain shit that you do that they'll kill your ability to make money off of that video. 0.66

01:35:35.000 Well, people will find out about that, and then they'll tell everybody, and they'll make a video, look what YouTube did, and then everybody goes, oh, I don't want to do that. 0.98

01:35:42.000 And so everybody self-censors because you don't want to get...

01:35:45.000 So it's not...

01:35:47.000 We don't even know where the real cultural balance is.

01:35:52.000 It's always being affected by advertiser revenue, always.

01:35:56.000 Yep. 0.98

01:35:56.000 Because even on uncensored shit like YouTube, there's still a consequence to saying wild things, to saying wild shit and to having fun or swearing too much or just being preposterous like a lot of comedians get together and do. 0.98

01:36:12.000 That is hard to do. 0.99

01:36:16.000 That'll get you in a spot where you're not going to get any advertisers.

01:36:20.000 You're not going to be able to make money off of it.

01:36:22.000 Right.

01:36:22.000 They demonetize you.

01:36:23.000 They could definitely do that on some of those social media apps.

01:36:27.000 Okay, so this isn't my thing.

01:36:29.000 Please don't fucking attack me just because this is where I'm currently thinking. 0.98

01:36:33.000 Oh, I'm going to attack you. 1.00

01:36:33.000 Alright, fine, attack me. 1.00

01:36:34.000 Them or me? 0.58

01:36:35.000 What, are you talking about them or me?

01:36:36.000 What?

01:36:37.000 Them!

01:36:38.000 In my thinking, and I know there's arguments that YouTube and Twitter don't categorize as a private company anymore, but I think that In the consideration of whatever particular set of ethics or capitalist-based reasons for censoring,

01:37:03.000 whatever it may be that a private company is doing, it's better that the private company is in control of whatever the censorship it is they're doing than that the state steps in and tells the company What they can't censor and what they can censor because now it's gone from a private company censoring to the state saying you must put this in here. 0.98

01:37:30.000 Now, again, sometimes if you happen to be in an era where whoever happens to be president is someone you agree with, well, that's great if you're dumb.

01:37:39.000 You're like, yeah, it represents my political ideals, so that kind of censorship makes sense to me. 0.99

01:37:47.000 But, holy shit, are you kidding? 0.93

01:37:49.000 Four years from now, what happens if the state steps in and is like, hey, you know what? 0.99

01:37:55.000 You all really need to do more stuff that's anti-abortion.

01:38:01.000 There was a host talking about how they think women should have control of their bodies.

01:38:09.000 I don't think we can really monetize that anymore.

01:38:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:14.000 Now, all of a sudden, it goes the other way.

01:38:15.000 So, to me, it would be better to let private institutions have control, whether we agree with it or not, of however they want to run their ship than let the state step in and do it because you're making the assumption that the state has some uniform quality that doesn't change over time.

01:38:33.000 Meaning, yeah, maybe your team's in control now, but another team might pop in at any second.

01:38:38.000 And also, if it's a private company, then... 0.62

01:38:41.000 Hopefully shit like what's happening with Elon Musk or another version of it might appear that you know will because there's a what's the name of it a market pressure so maybe a YouTube where that isn't censoring that kind of stuff that isn't shitty or whatever will appear. 0.77

01:38:58.000 This is why I think it's better than letting the state step in even if you agree with the way companies are censoring right now. 0.97

01:39:06.000 I mean I think otherwise you're just inviting Like, the real nightmare.

01:39:12.000 You know, people are like, it's like George Orwell's 1984. No, it's not.

01:39:15.000 It's a bunch of fucking private companies who you have decided to do digital sharecropping with. 0.98

01:39:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:39:21.000 Where you've just decided to stake your claim on someone else's land. 0.99

01:39:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:25.000 And then you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:39:27.000 You can't kick me out of your forest? 1.00

01:39:28.000 I'm one of the hunters here!

01:39:29.000 It's like, yes, we can!

01:39:31.000 It's my forest! 1.00

01:39:32.000 Get the fuck out! 1.00

01:39:33.000 You decided to do digital sharecropping. 0.99

01:39:36.000 We're all in danger of this, by the way.

01:39:37.000 We're all in danger of this.

01:39:38.000 But I would rather still have it be like some private land than state land, you know? 1.00

01:39:48.000 Obviously, this wouldn't happen right now, but you hear about it in North Korea, they gotta put pictures of that motherfucker in their house! 1.00

01:39:54.000 Like, if you go over to someone's house and his picture's not on the wall, it's like... 1.00

01:39:58.000 You rat him out.

01:39:59.000 You rat him out!

01:40:00.000 Yeah, they rat people out.

01:40:02.000 They've developed a culture of ratting people out.

01:40:05.000 Exactly.

01:40:06.000 They all turn on each other.

01:40:07.000 They turn on each other, they get rewards for it.

01:40:09.000 So, similarly, in a weird way, by not letting private companies censor You are kind of saying, like, you got to hang this picture on your wall.

01:40:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:19.000 We want the picture on the wall.

01:40:21.000 Hang the picture on the wall.

01:40:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:40:23.000 We don't want the state to say that!

01:40:25.000 Oh, my God.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, you don't want the state to say that.

01:40:27.000 No.

01:40:27.000 Ever.

01:40:28.000 No.

01:40:28.000 Ever.

01:40:29.000 You're better off with private companies because you could boycott them.

01:40:31.000 If the state says that, you're stuck with the state.

01:40:34.000 They're not going to fire themselves because they don't like you.

01:40:36.000 Exactly.

01:40:37.000 They're gonna ramp up whatever things they were doing. 0.96

01:40:40.000 You know, like when you see someone who's violated the law and then they're getting arrested and the cop gets so aggressive he beats the shit out of them. 0.90

01:40:46.000 We've all seen that, right? 0.56

01:40:47.000 Yes.

01:40:48.000 Well, when that's happening, that person thinks that something has been done to them, you know?

01:40:55.000 Like when you're violating, you're trying to get away from them, they're interacting personally with this.

01:41:02.000 Yeah.

01:41:02.000 It's a law.

01:41:03.000 Your job is to enforce a law, but you're thinking of it as if that person did something to you.

01:41:08.000 Right.

01:41:08.000 We do that with everything.

01:41:09.000 Right.

01:41:10.000 Yeah.

01:41:10.000 We do that with everything.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 We get our ideas attached to who we are.

01:41:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:15.000 With fucking everything. 0.99

01:41:16.000 With arresting someone, with everything. 0.99

01:41:19.000 Yes.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, man.

01:41:23.000 Yeah, we just, we have to be very careful and like, I think in our thinking about freedom of speech too, which is, isn't censorship speech?

01:41:36.000 Boycotting is speech. 0.92

01:41:38.000 So if a company decides that they don't want whatever the fuck it is, That is the private company's speech. 0.96

01:41:48.000 And I know a lot of people are like, it's not a private company anymore. 0.99

01:41:50.000 The argument is, listen, these fucking companies were built using state-sponsored stuff or things that taxpayers paid for. 0.91

01:41:59.000 The whole network of the thing is running Off of an infrastructure supported by taxpayers, meaning it's not quite private. 0.99

01:42:06.000 This isn't a club.

01:42:07.000 We're not talking about like a private club or a private group of people.

01:42:10.000 It's like a public forum that is being supported by taxpayers.

01:42:14.000 That's the argument.

01:42:15.000 But still, no matter what, you are arguing for the state to step in.

01:42:21.000 To private companies and tell them what they can and cannot censor, what they can and cannot abbreviate, cut, whatever, and I think that is just dangerous.

01:42:33.000 No, I think you're dead right, because as we said, you can't boycott the state.

01:42:38.000 It becomes real messy trying to get them to let go of power.

01:42:41.000 Whereas if a company, you decide you don't like this company's values, you don't like what they stand for, you could just leave.

01:42:48.000 You could stop doing business with them.

01:42:51.000 You know this thing that's going on with Disney right now?

01:42:54.000 Disney's stock is falling and many people are attributing...

01:43:00.000 I don't know if this is accurate because I don't know anything about finance, just to be clear.

01:43:05.000 But people are attributing it to the woke stance that Disney has taken on a lot of issues and that people are just tired.

01:43:12.000 Of hearing this from corporations and that there were some videos where people were upset that some of the ideas that people who were executives at Disney had and apparently it's had an effect on the stock market.

01:43:27.000 So people have decided we don't like...

01:43:30.000 If this is true, find out if that's true. 0.98

01:43:33.000 Because people were talking about it that know things about money and I have no idea what the fuck they were saying. 0.88

01:43:38.000 Other than I read a couple of article... 0.98

01:43:40.000 Titles it said that.

01:43:41.000 That's the best article I could find that says something like it.

01:43:43.000 Disney faces backlash in Florida made don't say gay controversy.

01:43:47.000 Politicians threatened to strip the company of Mickey Mouse copyright.

01:43:50.000 Special tax status for Walt Disney as parents protest in Orlando.

01:43:54.000 What world are we in?

01:43:55.000 Well, what is the stake though?

01:43:58.000 How much did it drop?

01:43:59.000 That's what's curious.

01:44:00.000 And what do they think happened?

01:44:02.000 Because this guy was attributing it to woke ideology, that people were getting mad that Disney was actively promoting these values that a lot of Christian folks, people that don't,

01:44:18.000 you know, that don't say gay one in particular.

01:44:21.000 Because, like, that one's a weird one.

01:44:22.000 Because it doesn't really say don't say gay.

01:44:24.000 It really is talking about people, talking about sexual preference and gender and gender transitioning and stuff.

01:44:31.000 That's the stock over 50s.

01:44:33.000 Trying to decide when something made something go down and why is tough.

01:44:39.000 But it's gone down pretty far.

01:44:41.000 But how much of that is because of the pandemic?

01:44:43.000 It's going to be a lot.

01:44:45.000 It's going to be a lot from the pandemic.

01:44:46.000 So if I go to like max or five years even, it's...

01:44:50.000 Where it was before the pandemic, sort of, even.

01:44:53.000 It's like it went way down when the pandemic started, and then it went up.

01:44:56.000 Oh, so it's like a market correction.

01:44:58.000 And then it went back down.

01:44:58.000 I think Disney's going to be okay.

01:45:00.000 It's a market correction.

01:45:02.000 You know, the thing about this thing about teaching kids stuff in school, it's like, who's the teacher?

01:45:07.000 That's what it really depends upon.

01:45:08.000 Like, if you're teaching a kid who is six years old about anything...

01:45:14.000 About how to make good friends, about how to become successful in life, about how to treat other people.

01:45:22.000 If you're teaching a very small kid about anything, it's important who the person that's teaching it is and how they teach it.

01:45:29.000 What are some initial impressions that this kid is going to get from an adult who's in charge other than their parents?

01:45:36.000 So you leave a kid who's used to just listening to adults with a new adult.

01:45:41.000 Well, we hope they're great with everything.

01:45:43.000 So it's not just an issue of like, should that be the person to talk to your child about gender transitioning?

01:45:50.000 Should that be the person to talk to your child about politics?

01:45:53.000 Should that be the person to talk to your child about anything?

01:45:56.000 It's kind of a weird gig.

01:45:58.000 You give people this influence over your child. 0.95

01:46:02.000 And you can get them convinced of a certain political ideology, and that the other people are dumb, and you're with them all the time. 1.00

01:46:08.000 And if you're like, maybe your dad's an asshole, and you have a psychology g-jun, he's really cool. 1.00

01:46:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:46:13.000 And you go there and, hey, it's Mr. Johnson. 1.00

01:46:15.000 He's fucking awesome. 0.95

01:46:16.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:46:17.000 And Mr. Johnson has ideas that are very different than your parents' ideas.

01:46:23.000 Yeah.

01:46:24.000 About everything.

01:46:25.000 About all kinds of different factors of life.

01:46:26.000 Is that okay?

01:46:27.000 Dude.

01:46:28.000 It's okay, right?

01:46:29.000 This is what- Isn't it good?

01:46:30.000 Here's what's- But where's it not good?

01:46:32.000 It's not good when people get weird when it comes to gender.

01:46:35.000 It's not good when what they're saying doesn't reflect your ideology.

01:46:41.000 I think they're catching on to something that's been going on for a long time, which is if you're sending your kids to a public school You're sending your kid to some kind of state facility.

01:46:53.000 That's not conspiracy theory.

01:46:55.000 It's a state facility.

01:46:57.000 There are employees of the state working at the facility.

01:47:00.000 Those employees of the state have been told...

01:47:05.000 Certain things that they're supposed to teach your children, and many of those things are either complete fabrications or are like cutting out big parts of history that don't sit well with whoever happens to be in power.

01:47:19.000 So this is the thing.

01:47:20.000 We have to face the fact that public school systems have always and will always be to some degree, as long as the state has anything to say about what teachers are teaching, there will be indoctrination facilities.

01:47:32.000 I mean, think about it. 0.95

01:47:35.000 When you go to fucking school and you take that career test, did you ever take the career test that tells you what career you would be good for? 0.99

01:47:42.000 I don't believe I did. 0.99

01:47:43.000 Oh! 0.99

01:47:44.000 Because all the careers suck! 0.94

01:47:46.000 So you take this career test and you're like, you'd be a good accountant or you would be, you know what I mean? 0.52

01:47:50.000 And you're like, I don't want to live if these are the options for my ability to express myself in the world.

01:47:57.000 You're saying like there's like- Four options.

01:47:59.000 More options.

01:48:00.000 And I don't want to be any of them.

01:48:03.000 But this is part of the programming, right? 0.94

01:48:06.000 They want you to think that your mode of expression is limited to capitalist structures at the time, which, by the way, now, a lot of the shit they told it, like, typewriting! 0.93

01:48:18.000 I had to take typewriting classes. 0.94

01:48:20.000 You remember that?

01:48:21.000 On a typewriter. 1.00

01:48:22.000 Learn how to use a fucking typewriter. 1.00

01:48:24.000 You couldn't use a calculator during a math test because they wanted you to use your mind. 1.00

01:48:28.000 They don't do that anymore.

01:48:31.000 You can use your phone. 1.00

01:48:32.000 You could use your fucking phone. 1.00

01:48:33.000 Kids are Googling shit in the middle of tests. 1.00

01:48:35.000 I guarantee you. 1.00

01:48:36.000 There's got to be a classroom out there where they're letting you use your phone.

01:48:40.000 I wish we could talk to a kid right now that's like freshman in college.

01:48:44.000 Do you think they let them have their phones out?

01:48:46.000 I don't know.

01:48:47.000 I think it depends.

01:48:48.000 I think sometimes they're allowed, sometimes they're not.

01:48:50.000 I think sometimes you're allowed to use technology.

01:48:53.000 Not during tests though, right?

01:48:54.000 You can't Google answers during tests.

01:48:57.000 No.

01:48:57.000 I imagine no.

01:48:58.000 I bet you can.

01:48:59.000 What?

01:49:00.000 They also give you time limits, though.

01:49:01.000 So if you spend five minutes looking up every answer, then you're never going to finish the test.

01:49:05.000 That's your fault.

01:49:06.000 You think you can Google?

01:49:06.000 You should study so you know what to do.

01:49:09.000 Right.

01:49:09.000 But if they let you Google, then Google would also give you the flat-out answer.

01:49:13.000 For sure.

01:49:13.000 But even during the pandemic, they weren't going to class.

01:49:15.000 They still had to give them tests. 0.99

01:49:16.000 They couldn't stop them from looking shit up. 0.99

01:49:17.000 Right. 0.97

01:49:18.000 You couldn't stop them from having a second laptop right next to it.

01:49:21.000 For sure.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:22.000 Because kids, a lot of times...

01:49:24.000 They're smart.

01:49:25.000 They'll come up with ways to cheat.

01:49:26.000 They figure a way out.

01:49:28.000 For sure.

01:49:28.000 Yeah.

01:49:29.000 Yeah, man.

01:49:30.000 I mean, I think there should be the ability to hear.

01:49:39.000 You know, like nanny cams, but for the class. 0.99

01:49:43.000 In other words, if you're a parent and you want to listen to what the teacher is telling your fucking kids, you could tune in and listen. 0.99

01:49:49.000 I think right now that doesn't happen, and I think it should be a parent's right to be able to listen to what the teacher is saying, because it's like, You know, you don't know what the fuck they're saying in there. 0.99

01:49:58.000 That's the thing. 0.97

01:49:59.000 Like, you know what I mean?

01:50:00.000 You think it's like gender stuff to be worried about.

01:50:03.000 How do you know?

01:50:04.000 I know my teachers were telling...

01:50:05.000 Communism.

01:50:06.000 Communism or like...

01:50:08.000 Anarchy.

01:50:08.000 Do my algebra teacher and I got in a big argument in a class once over whether or not the snake in the Garden of Eden had vocal cords.

01:50:18.000 Why the fuck was my algebra teacher talking about the snake in the Garden of Eden to us? 0.97

01:50:25.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:50:26.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:50:28.000 Separation of church and state, friend. 0.99

01:50:30.000 You're here to teach us, like, X2 parentheses 3 minus 6 equals 9. Not the Garden of Eden. 1.00

01:50:37.000 But you're doing it!

01:50:38.000 You're doing it!

01:50:39.000 Right.

01:50:39.000 And you're mad at me because I pointed out, which I think is a very valid point, what would it sound like without vocal cords?

01:50:46.000 How does it talk without vocal cords?

01:50:48.000 What would it sound like?

01:50:50.000 Anyway, to me, we're dealing with something that is bigger. 1.00

01:50:55.000 Right now, these homophobic fucks, they are, you have to admit it, a lot of them are very, they're Christian. 1.00

01:51:00.000 Look, I'm sorry for calling fundamentalist Christians who are against gay people. 1.00

01:51:06.000 Homophobic fucks, but that's what you are! 1.00

01:51:08.000 When you say a lot of people, you mean the people that are boycotting Disney? 1.00

01:51:10.000 I'm saying that there is a concerted effort by the Christian right to get rid of the problematic separation of church and state.

01:51:20.000 That is an organized thing that's been going on for some time.

01:51:24.000 They have a set agenda.

01:51:26.000 They want to get rid of abortion.

01:51:28.000 They want to get rid of the separation of church and state.

01:51:31.000 And a lot of the stuff that they say that they're doing is disguised, is kind of sweet or whatever, like prayer in school.

01:51:40.000 We should have prayer in school. 0.99

01:51:42.000 But the problem is you've got a lot of different religions in these fucking classrooms. 1.00

01:51:46.000 So which prayer do you do? 1.00

01:51:48.000 Which prayer do you not do?

01:51:49.000 Separation of church and state fixes all of that.

01:51:52.000 Can I stop?

01:51:53.000 Who's they?

01:51:56.000 They've written all this out?

01:51:57.000 Like this is like an outlined agenda?

01:51:59.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 Okay, so like the megachurches.

01:52:04.000 They're these megachurches that don't pay taxes.

01:52:08.000 Like the Joel Osteen type dudes?

01:52:10.000 Joel Osteen, there's a great documentary on one of them where Justin Bieber's pastor, he was at a park and just started hitting on this woman.

01:52:20.000 It's amazing because this is a famous pastor who's sending videos shirtless in his car to someone he's cheating on his wife with.

01:52:28.000 I'm nine miles away.

01:52:30.000 You know, I might just stop by. 0.99

01:52:32.000 Like, real creepy shit like that. 0.98

01:52:33.000 So these megachurches, they're not being taxed. 0.99

01:52:36.000 They're putting on these massive...

01:52:37.000 Isn't that amazing?

01:52:37.000 It's amazing.

01:52:38.000 What a great scam. 0.99

01:52:40.000 And again, this is where I think they're fucking up. 0.99

01:52:44.000 Because it's like, you want your scam to keep going. 0.99

01:52:47.000 You need to stay the fuck out of politics because that was the idea. 1.00

01:52:53.000 Y'all worship God transcendent to the human realm, but you sure as fuck can't put your weird theocratic, sex-negative, homophobic fucking ideas into society or we're going to go back to the witch burnings. 1.00

01:53:07.000 This is the problem. 1.00

01:53:09.000 So this is what you're seeing is like, you know, you can look it up, man.

01:53:12.000 I can't remember the name of the organization, but there's a lot of lobbying groups that have direct connections to the megachurches which have a set agenda because they believe we are in the kingdom of Satan, that the Antichrist is coming, and that they need to stop that from happening by implementing Christian ethical systems into the world.

01:53:31.000 Now, I love Christian ethical systems, and I think that there's something really beautiful about it, But we can't get rid of the separation of church and state because you are rolling the dice there on what religion takes the wheel.

01:53:46.000 Again, it just goes back to you have to understand a lot of the shit that we have in the United States might not be palatable to you now because it doesn't reflect your ideologies, but it's there because we don't want there to be a perma-shift. 0.64

01:54:01.000 To one way of being. 0.97

01:54:03.000 So yes, there is an organized group of fundamentalist Christians who want to establish what could only be called a theocracy in the West.

01:54:16.000 And how are they trying to do this?

01:54:18.000 Lobbying.

01:54:19.000 I think when you're seeing that, you're seeing something of it.

01:54:22.000 When you're seeing the getting rid of Roe vs.

01:54:24.000 Wade, this has been a long-term plan of theirs, man.

01:54:29.000 Don't you watch the God's Not Dead movies?

01:54:31.000 Have you watched these movies?

01:54:32.000 No.

01:54:32.000 Oh, they're the best.

01:54:33.000 Me and my wife watched them.

01:54:35.000 Oh, wait a minute.

01:54:35.000 I remember a trailer for one that almost seemed like parody.

01:54:39.000 Dude, I hate to do this.

01:54:40.000 I have to pee again.

01:54:41.000 That's fine.

01:54:42.000 I drank way too much fluid.

01:54:42.000 That was only like an hour from the last pee, though, right?

01:54:47.000 Do you have a pee timer on there?

01:54:49.000 I drank so much liquor.

01:54:50.000 No, I'm glad.

01:54:51.000 I just realized we're in black robes talking about like Christian fundamentalists taking over. 0.94

01:54:56.000 I'm gonna pee. 0.59

01:54:57.000 We'll come back one more time.

01:54:58.000 Alright, cool.

01:54:59.000 Oh, God's not dead.

01:55:00.000 He's surely alive.

01:55:02.000 This is a newer one.

01:55:03.000 This is a trailer.

01:55:04.000 I love these movies.

01:55:05.000 What year is this one?

01:55:06.000 This one came out last year.

01:55:08.000 2021?

01:55:08.000 Let's face it.

01:55:10.000 Your God, your book, they're in the way.

01:55:12.000 You feel that you're making a last-ditch stand for your faith.

01:55:17.000 That's a really good actor.

01:55:18.000 I get sad when I see a really good actor in something like this.

01:55:20.000 This is a fine film!

01:55:21.000 Our whole faith started because one man chose a hill he was willing to die on.

01:55:25.000 God's not dead.

01:55:27.000 The next chapter.

01:55:28.000 These are great.

01:55:31.000 It seems like parody.

01:55:34.000 I've watched every one of these.

01:55:36.000 Once we decide what a child needs to know, it becomes imperative that every child know it.

01:55:42.000 Give me the visit we got from social services the other day.

01:55:46.000 I'm here to review your home schooling environment.

01:55:48.000 Religion has been removed from our schools. 0.99

01:55:50.000 They're teaching kids that they don't need God.

01:55:53.000 If your children do not show up at school a week from Monday...

01:55:56.000 That's the lady from Fox News! 0.99

01:55:58.000 She's the judge.

01:55:59.000 Judge Judy! 0.89

01:56:00.000 No, wait, that's not Judy. 0.96

01:56:02.000 It's Janine.

01:56:03.000 Judge Janine.

01:56:04.000 She doesn't want her parents going to jail.

01:56:06.000 This is bigger than just homeschooling.

01:56:08.000 Okay, I can't.

01:56:09.000 It hurts my soul.

01:56:10.000 They're gonna extract it.

01:56:11.000 Oh my god, it's only halfway there. 0.99

01:56:12.000 There's no fucking way. 0.99

01:56:14.000 Dude, this movie exemplifies what these people who are political lobbyists... 0.99

01:56:22.000 That's the narrative.

01:56:23.000 The narrative is this.

01:56:24.000 The Antichrist is rising, and it's part of the plan of the Antichrist.

01:56:29.000 We're going to eliminate the belief in God from school systems, eliminate prayer, and then create a hyper-materialistic, hypnotized A satanic culture, essentially, that is devoid of God.

01:56:43.000 So that's what they're afraid of.

01:56:45.000 And if you imagine that that were real, you could see why they're so passionate about, like, trying to get into the government to change things.

01:56:53.000 The truth is, that's not what's happening.

01:56:55.000 What's happening is there's too many religions. 0.99

01:56:58.000 There's just too many religions to decide this is the type of prayer we do or this is the type of God we believe in and not be a theocracy.

01:57:05.000 How do you do that?

01:57:06.000 This is what the satanic temple is so good at doing. 1.00

01:57:10.000 They're like, okay, you're going to put the Ten Commandments in front of your government building that we're all paying taxes to support?

01:57:18.000 Then we should be allowed to put our Baphomet statue in front of the building, too!

01:57:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:24.000 They're really doing that.

01:57:25.000 It's really quite brilliant because they are fully aware of the dangers of theocracy.

01:57:31.000 It's like, you know, Christianity is so beautiful, and that's how we're raising our children.

01:57:37.000 I love Jesus, and I'm Buddhist, and I have a guru, but the way we're trying to talk about love and mysticism is through Jesus.

01:57:47.000 But I don't want my kid to go to a state-run facility Where some teacher is teaching my kid about Christianity from their own lens.

01:58:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:00.000 That the state is saying has to be taught.

01:58:02.000 That is scary, dude.

01:58:04.000 That's the handmaid's tale. 0.51

01:58:06.000 You know what I mean?

01:58:06.000 That's what that is.

01:58:08.000 So we got to keep them separate, no matter what.

01:58:11.000 It all costs.

01:58:12.000 Separate church and state. 0.99

01:58:14.000 Separate church and state, keep religion out of the public schools, but certainly don't prohibit the students from adhering to any specific faith because, you know, that would be incredibly fucked up. 0.88

01:58:28.000 Yeah, if they brought prayer to school but only had Christian prayer, that could be a real issue. 0.89

01:58:33.000 It is a real issue.

01:58:34.000 For a lot of people, right?

01:58:35.000 It's not even the largest world religion.

01:58:37.000 I mean, even if they let you opt out, if they didn't provide alternatives, like, if they did provide alternatives, how many would they have to provide, right?

01:58:44.000 They'd have to provide an Islamic one, they'd have to provide maybe a Mormon one in some places. 0.89

01:58:48.000 Like, how many different ones?

01:58:50.000 How many different services?

01:58:51.000 A thelemite? 0.99

01:58:53.000 Scientologist?

01:58:54.000 Is that real?

01:58:54.000 Scientology?

01:58:55.000 I mean, who's to say what's real?

01:58:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:58:57.000 So this is why...

01:58:58.000 Right?

01:58:58.000 That's where it gets crazy.

01:58:59.000 That's where it gets crazy.

01:59:00.000 That's why we have separation of church and state.

01:59:02.000 That's why we have a deal with these groups, which is, listen, you don't have to pay taxes, meaning you and I, we're not connected in any way, shape, or form. 0.99

01:59:12.000 I'm not getting money from you, you're your own free entity, your autonomous thing, but you stay over there, we're gonna stay over here, and I'm not gonna try to get into your shit. 0.98

01:59:24.000 You don't try to get into my shit and then we have a nice non-theocracy for better or for worse. 0.98

01:59:29.000 I mean, honestly, I do think that it's wonderful to pray and kids should be encouraged to pray. 0.99

01:59:35.000 Anyone should pray.

01:59:36.000 It's the best thing ever.

01:59:37.000 I mean, what's the worst case scenario?

01:59:39.000 You're wrong.

01:59:40.000 It didn't work.

01:59:41.000 Okay, so what? 1.00

01:59:42.000 So you said some stupid words to the void and nothing happened. 1.00

01:59:45.000 I think it's kind of a form of meditation too. 1.00

01:59:47.000 Yes.

01:59:48.000 It can be.

01:59:48.000 Do you pray?

01:59:49.000 I don't.

01:59:50.000 I don't pray.

01:59:51.000 No.

01:59:53.000 I do do a lot of meditating, though.

01:59:55.000 I've been meditating a lot inside a sauna.

01:59:59.000 I find that that's some of the most interesting meditation for me.

02:00:03.000 Because it's like meditation in the middle of a kind of a suffering.

02:00:08.000 Subtle suffering.

02:00:09.000 Not an intense suffering, but an uncomfortable suffering.

02:00:12.000 And the suffering is kind of enhanced when you take big deep breaths.

02:00:16.000 So I do these breathing exercises in a sauna and I get into like this meditative state.

02:00:22.000 That's cool.

02:00:22.000 It's very interesting.

02:00:23.000 Yeah.

02:00:23.000 Because if I can just concentrate on my breathing for just like, if I can just get through the first 30 seconds, I can get into a nice good rhythm where I can kind of stay in it and stay just in thinking about the breathing and occasionally drift out of it.

02:00:38.000 Yeah.

02:00:38.000 Yeah, man.

02:00:39.000 That's cool.

02:00:40.000 I'm glad you're doing that.

02:00:41.000 I mean, I would also have kids meditate.

02:00:43.000 I mean, if I was running schools, it would be totally different.

02:00:45.000 I think kids should meditate, and I think kids should do a fun physical activity.

02:00:51.000 Find a physical activity that's fun.

02:00:54.000 You know, whatever it is.

02:00:55.000 I think it would be awesome if kids had a lot of options for different...

02:00:59.000 Like, maybe one kid can do, you know, skateboarding.

02:01:02.000 One kid can do martial arts.

02:01:04.000 One kid...

02:01:05.000 Yeah.

02:01:05.000 Give them something.

02:01:06.000 You want to get them active?

02:01:07.000 Give them a reward.

02:01:08.000 Like, what are they actually interested in?

02:01:10.000 Right.

02:01:10.000 If they're actually interested in all these different things, give them options.

02:01:15.000 Yeah, man.

02:01:15.000 Do you remember the presidential physical thing that you had to do?

02:01:20.000 Physical fitness test?

02:01:21.000 No. 1.00

02:01:21.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:01:22.000 I predated that, I believe. 1.00

02:01:24.000 Oh my God, you missed it.

02:01:25.000 It was humiliating, dude.

02:01:28.000 How many chin-ups did you have to do? 0.83

02:01:30.000 Any amount.

02:01:32.000 Any amount was no good for me.

02:01:34.000 So you're like, you know, there's a spectrum of physical prowess in schools. 0.99

02:01:39.000 And I wasn't at the top end of that fucking spectrum, Joe. 0.97

02:01:43.000 So, like, you have to do this presidential test to do a certain number of pull-ups. 1.00

02:01:47.000 And if you didn't pass it, you're like, I guess, like, from the president's perspective, I'm a piece of shit. 1.00

02:01:54.000 What's the fucking point? 1.00

02:01:56.000 But it was boring. 1.00

02:01:57.000 Remember how boring?

02:01:59.000 The stuff they would make you do in PE was boring.

02:02:04.000 The only dodgeball was fun.

02:02:06.000 There wasn't much that was really fun in it.

02:02:08.000 I know what you're saying.

02:02:08.000 It'd be cool to have people associate physical activity with fun instead of some insane dude in short shorts blowing a whistle in your face.

02:02:19.000 How are you going to love exercise when that's what you associate it with? 0.97

02:02:23.000 And there's some sports that other kids have been playing for a long fucking time. 0.99

02:02:28.000 If you have to play them that sport, and you've never played it before, you feel like such a dumbass. 0.99

02:02:33.000 And when you're a young kid, that is already devastating for your self-esteem. 0.84

02:02:38.000 So if you're in a class, you're forced to play a game, you have no idea how to play that game, and there's other kids that have been playing it their whole life, and they're stuffing that ball right in your face...

02:02:46.000 They're pitching that fastball by the plate. 0.92

02:02:49.000 Picking teams.

02:02:50.000 Yeah, oh my god, you always gotta pick last, right?

02:02:52.000 Yeah, always, eternally.

02:02:54.000 So it produces a kind of outcast, the P.E. outcast.

02:02:58.000 The P.E. outcast.

02:02:59.000 You just sit on the fucking sidelines, and you glare out at all the athletic kids, and that's the pattern you'll probably follow for the rest of your life. 0.98

02:03:09.000 Well, there's like a weird separation between physical people and non-physical people back then, too. 0.99

02:03:14.000 Whereas the non-physical people always assumed they could never be a physical person, and the physical person always assumed they couldn't be smart.

02:03:21.000 Because everybody had these weird stereotypes that they had adopted and accepted for their own.

02:03:27.000 Even things like that aren't self-serving. 0.98

02:03:29.000 Like, you know, you're dumb if you work out a lot. 0.95

02:03:32.000 Or that you're smart if you don't. 0.98

02:03:34.000 Like, that if you eschew the aesthetic... 0.99

02:03:37.000 You don't give a fuck about what your body looks like. 0.98

02:03:39.000 You're, oh, so smart. 0.99

02:03:41.000 So wise.

02:03:42.000 That's an old thing.

02:03:44.000 That's a weird thing.

02:03:44.000 But it's a tribal thing.

02:03:46.000 It's like all those other tribal things. 1.00

02:03:47.000 It's all the same shit, man. 0.99

02:03:49.000 It's all people get attached to these ideas. 1.00

02:03:52.000 They claim them as their own, and they fucking... 0.99

02:03:56.000 Defend them to death. 1.00

02:03:57.000 And then they project it on everybody.

02:03:59.000 Yeah.

02:04:00.000 That's where you get into real trouble. 0.97

02:04:02.000 Like if you've made the horrible mistake of assigning intellectual prowess to the way somebody looks, you're gonna get fucking conned your whole life. 0.97

02:04:12.000 You know what I mean? 0.84

02:04:13.000 Because some people are really good.

02:04:15.000 That's what's not fair.

02:04:16.000 A really hot woman who's way smarter than you. 1.00

02:04:19.000 Why is it not fair?

02:04:20.000 It's not fair.

02:04:23.000 I would like it.

02:04:26.000 Would you just let her tell you what to do? 1.00

02:04:27.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:04:28.000 That would be incredible! 1.00

02:04:30.000 I mean, Duncan could just taste that ball gag right now.

02:04:34.000 I'm salivating. 0.99

02:04:39.000 Well, again, by the way, man, also, though, also, like, I think any self-assessment, anytime I found myself looking intellectually down at anybody, woman or man, I'm usually like, what the fuck am I talking about? 0.53

02:04:54.000 Like, when I watch Jeopardy, dude...

02:04:57.000 I can't, I just, it's just like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

02:05:02.000 You know what I mean? 0.95

02:05:03.000 Like, I am, so anytime I find myself like, huh, that dullard, it's like, what the fuck do I really, like, I, my, I'm, I don't, I am brain, this is what I like about not being able to smell from COVID. You still can't smell. 0.99

02:05:18.000 And now I can say, well, I'm brain damaged.

02:05:21.000 You see what I mean?

02:05:22.000 Like, I actually have, I have brain damage.

02:05:27.000 It's sinus damage though, right?

02:05:28.000 Well, they think it could be brain damage.

02:05:31.000 Really?

02:05:32.000 Yeah.

02:05:32.000 What do they think it could be?

02:05:33.000 What are they thinking?

02:05:34.000 Joe.

02:05:35.000 Hey.

02:05:36.000 I have brain damage.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, I get it.

02:05:37.000 I don't know the answer to that.

02:05:39.000 Have you tried NAD drips?

02:05:43.000 Not yet.

02:05:43.000 No?

02:05:44.000 Supposedly that helps.

02:05:46.000 I should say, supposedly that helps some people.

02:05:49.000 I will eventually get around to trying it.

02:05:51.000 Long-term smell loss, COVID-19 tied to brain damage.

02:05:55.000 Especially those with altered sense of smell have significantly more axon and microvasculopathy damage in the brain's olfactory tissues versus non-COVID patients.

02:06:07.000 These new findings from a post-mortem study may explain long-term loss of smell in some patients with the virus.

02:06:13.000 You know who's got the longest I've ever heard of?

02:06:15.000 Ryan Sickler.

02:06:16.000 Still no smell?

02:06:17.000 18 months, man.

02:06:18.000 18 months, no smell.

02:06:19.000 None.

02:06:20.000 None. 1.00

02:06:20.000 He doesn't smell shit. 1.00

02:06:22.000 He can barely smell anything. 1.00

02:06:24.000 Something has to be super strong for him to smell it at all.

02:06:28.000 I have the phantom smell.

02:06:29.000 So my brain doesn't know what...

02:06:33.000 I think it's kind of like...

02:06:36.000 I don't know, like if you had a keyboard and one of the keys was fused, like the fused blue or something. 0.98

02:06:42.000 So it's like my brain thinks piss, shit, oatmeal, coffee, and body odor all smell the same. 0.97

02:06:49.000 So it's all the identical smell. 0.99

02:06:51.000 It's like it's just referring to this like...

02:06:55.000 It doesn't know, but every once in a while, it comes back. 0.99

02:07:00.000 Like, every once in a while, my smell's back, and I'm so used to being able to smell, I won't even think about it until I'm like, oh, fuck! 0.99

02:07:05.000 I smell my house! 1.00

02:07:06.000 Oh, fuck, I can smell! 1.00

02:07:08.000 And then it goes away. 1.00

02:07:09.000 Really?

02:07:10.000 So it comes and goes?

02:07:11.000 Well, they say the fact that it comes and goes is a good sign.

02:07:13.000 Like, that means that very slowly it could be that the neurons are growing back or something.

02:07:20.000 Whoa. 0.99

02:07:21.000 Yeah, man, it's fucked up. 0.99

02:07:23.000 It's a really creepy thing to suddenly have your sense of smell distorted. 1.00

02:07:28.000 What a strange fucking disease this thing is. 0.97

02:07:31.000 When history is written, and people talk about this hundreds of years from now, it's gonna be a very, very hotly debated time. 0.99

02:07:41.000 Like, what was that like?

02:07:43.000 You know, I know one thing they're gonna say.

02:07:46.000 It definitely wasn't made in a lab.

02:07:48.000 Completely natural. 0.99

02:07:50.000 Definitely not whipped up in a fucking pharmaceutical company or wherever it was made. 0.99

02:07:59.000 It was completely natural. 1.00

02:08:00.000 Normal.

02:08:01.000 This is one thing where if you have had it And experience what it's like.

02:08:10.000 This is where I get annoyed when people are like, it's a cold. 0.98

02:08:13.000 It's not quite a fucking cold. 0.95

02:08:15.000 This thing, like, I mean, again, I am a long-term psychedelic user. 0.97

02:08:20.000 So I think the thing they're calling brain fog, people say, oh, it's brain fog.

02:08:25.000 But when I had COVID... I felt high as a kite, man.

02:08:30.000 Like, I felt weird, like a weird psychedelic quality to it that was like nothing else I'd experienced.

02:08:37.000 It was so alien and bizarre and like, and the dreams I was having were so strange.

02:08:44.000 And, you know, I think Occam's razor, well, that's because it was eating your brain a little bit.

02:08:49.000 And so the way your brain was like, the signals it was sending was like, something's eating me.

02:08:53.000 Or it's a life form.

02:08:55.000 Yeah.

02:08:56.000 It's a little sentient.

02:08:57.000 So it's a virus.

02:08:59.000 If it's a virus that was manipulated in a lab, what is a virus?

02:09:03.000 It's not technically a life form, but it needs a life form as a host and it can take over that life form and kill it and spread to other life forms and ideally it likes to keep the thing alive so it could pass itself off.

02:09:15.000 Yeah.

02:09:16.000 But what is that?

02:09:17.000 Is that alive?

02:09:19.000 Because it kind of seems alive.

02:09:21.000 So imagine if it is alive.

02:09:23.000 Imagine if it's not just infecting your body, but it's also changing you.

02:09:29.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 It's making you behave the way it wants.

02:09:32.000 Yeah, right.

02:09:34.000 It's in your brain.

02:09:34.000 It's breaking you down.

02:09:35.000 That's fucking scary. 0.99

02:09:36.000 Think about rabies. 1.00

02:09:38.000 Imagine if people were getting rabies.

02:09:41.000 Like if rabies is like a real zombie disease, I mean people do get rabies obviously and it's deadly for most people.

02:09:46.000 If they don't treat it like really quickly, it's one of the most deadly if untreated diseases.

02:09:51.000 But imagine if that was like a real problem, like a zombie thing.

02:09:55.000 Because rabies is basically like a zombie thing. 0.98

02:09:58.000 If you see a dog that's got rabies, they're trying to get to you for no fucking reason. 0.90

02:10:04.000 Well the reason is because that rabies wants to spread. 0.98

02:10:06.000 Right.

02:10:07.000 So it tricks a squirrel into becoming an assassin. 1.00

02:10:09.000 The squirrel jumps on you and bites your fucking head. 1.00

02:10:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:12.000 It's a wild ass disease and if it spread to humans in the sense that we could keep it and give it to other people and it made us bite each other. 1.00

02:10:20.000 Like, I don't know if, I know it makes people super thirsty.

02:10:23.000 Like, but imagine if there was a version of a rabies that didn't kill you very quickly but really did turn you into a zombie.

02:10:31.000 That's not far removed from what is currently available.

02:10:36.000 Right.

02:10:37.000 So that's only like one or two generations removed from some of the crazy diseases that people have now.

02:10:43.000 Why not?

02:10:44.000 Why not?

02:10:45.000 You see it in animals.

02:10:46.000 If it exists in a rat, you can have rabid rats that'll attack you.

02:10:50.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 But have you ever seen a rat that you think might have rabies?

02:10:54.000 They all seem like they have it.

02:10:57.000 I've seen animals that seem like they might have rabies. 0.99

02:10:59.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.99

02:11:00.000 They don't have any fear of you. 0.99

02:11:01.000 No, oh yeah, I know what you mean.

02:11:03.000 I've seen squirrels like that.

02:11:06.000 I've seen hyper-aggressive squirrels that seem like they're approaching you like they're about to bite. 0.99

02:11:13.000 I saw a rat outside a pool hall once in New Jersey and it stood up on its hind legs like, let's fucking go. 0.96

02:11:20.000 Looking at me and I was like, oh my god. 0.94

02:11:22.000 Like it was showing me its teeth and it stood up on its back legs.

02:11:26.000 It was like this big.

02:11:28.000 Dude, terrifying. 1.00

02:11:29.000 Big fat ass. 1.00

02:11:29.000 I was like, nope, not going near you. 1.00

02:11:31.000 Just wants to inject a neurotoxin into you.

02:11:35.000 It's so spooky, dude. 1.00

02:11:36.000 I mean, this is like, you know, this shit with like all the aggression on planes right now. 0.99

02:11:42.000 I get worried. 0.99

02:11:43.000 You should. 0.93

02:11:43.000 People are beating the fuck out of each other. 0.93

02:11:46.000 That's the effect.

02:11:47.000 These people have been infected with this thing that's altering, making them more aggressive.

02:11:54.000 Well, anxiety, first off.

02:11:56.000 What is this?

02:11:57.000 Rabies kills 189 people every day.

02:12:00.000 Here's why you never hear about it.

02:12:02.000 The disease is preventable and treatable, but fighting it is not a priority for the West.

02:12:06.000 What I'm saying, though, is that people don't get it and behave like an animal that has rabies.

02:12:11.000 People die of it, I know that, but I don't think they get it.

02:12:14.000 It doesn't have the effect that it does on animals.

02:12:16.000 Because when animals have it, they want to bite you.

02:12:17.000 This could be one of those television shows that's making a little dramatic thing.

02:12:23.000 This could be rabies.

02:12:23.000 It's showing people in crazy...

02:12:25.000 This seems dramatized, though.

02:12:27.000 Oh.

02:12:28.000 That's definitely dramatized.

02:12:29.000 No, bro.

02:12:29.000 She's not acting.

02:12:30.000 No one's that good.

02:12:32.000 Find that woman, imagine. 0.99

02:12:34.000 That's her. 0.88

02:12:35.000 um but that's what they're saying is that that could be acting crazy have raped like i don't know the situation i mean listen if it does do that to rats and other animals why wouldn't it jump to people we know people get infected by it maybe maybe it's a small percentage of the people act like a rabid animal and go around trying to bite people yeah man that's that 28 days later movie man now That movie scared the fuck out of me because I think that's how quick it could go down.

02:13:02.000 If there was something like that that just spread through the population, that is one of the best horror movies of all time.

02:13:10.000 28 Days Later.

02:13:11.000 It's incredible. 0.98

02:13:12.000 Goddamn, what a good movie. 0.99

02:13:13.000 Dude, that movie was so fucking good. 0.99

02:13:16.000 Wasn't that one of the first running zombie movies? 0.99

02:13:19.000 Yes.

02:13:20.000 Fast zombies. 0.98

02:13:21.000 They were fast.

02:13:22.000 Fast zombies. 0.98

02:13:22.000 That was cool. 0.98

02:13:23.000 That was the better version of zombies.

02:13:25.000 They were way scarier.

02:13:26.000 Yeah, man.

02:13:27.000 Everything was so urgent, and they did a lot of fast camera moves in that movie. 0.99

02:13:31.000 That movie was a great fucking movie. 0.99

02:13:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:13:34.000 And it was also like, Jesus Christ, this is...

02:13:40.000 It wasn't preposterous.

02:13:42.000 There was no leap that you had to make in order to believe that this could be real.

02:13:46.000 Right.

02:13:47.000 Dude, this, and again, I don't mean to keep going back to this, but there's an assumption that hasn't already happened.

02:13:53.000 Like, if you look at the way we're behaving on the planet, it's not rabies, like, I'm not attacking you because I'm trying to inject you with something and I'm not afraid of water.

02:14:04.000 But there are people on the planet who are afraid, who are phobic of ideas, groups of people, sexual preference, you know, and will kill. 0.92

02:14:16.000 Will kill! 1.00

02:14:17.000 Kill you. 1.00

02:14:18.000 Kill you if that's what... 1.00

02:14:19.000 So it's like, I think it's an important question to ask, like, isn't that person kind of infected with something that's fucked up? 1.00

02:14:30.000 Like, maybe it's not rabies, but... 0.97

02:14:33.000 It's at the very least some kind of like memetic parasite, right?

02:14:36.000 Like living inside of people that is creating is one of the solutions to problems.

02:14:43.000 Like this is one of our solutions to problems on the planet is to launch missiles into cities.

02:14:50.000 This is one of the ways we have conversations with each other.

02:14:52.000 It is...

02:14:54.000 Beyond insane.

02:14:55.000 If we are all the same person, what kind of crazy thing launches missiles in itself?

02:15:04.000 Well, I mean, if humans are fundamentally good, Which I like to imagine that's the case. 0.98

02:15:11.000 Then what the fuck has poisoned them to make it seem normal to shoot missiles into cities? 0.99

02:15:21.000 Right. 0.99

02:15:21.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:15:22.000 Like you would think, because all that would have to happen is everyone just realizes that, or the majority of people who are the missile launchers...

02:15:30.000 Just stop.

02:15:32.000 Nothing's gonna happen.

02:15:32.000 If you all stop, what are they gonna do?

02:15:35.000 They can't make all of you shoot the missiles, right?

02:15:38.000 Then we have world peace. 1.00

02:15:40.000 Because the problem isn't like the crazy ass dude in the tower. 0.99

02:15:44.000 It's all the people who are taking that person seriously. 0.98

02:15:47.000 Why are you taking that person seriously? 0.99

02:15:49.000 The crazy person who's telling you to go kill other people. 0.99

02:15:53.000 Like, yeah, we look at Heaven's Gate. 1.00

02:15:55.000 And we're like, God, can you imagine being so insane that you would cut off your own balls? 0.99

02:16:00.000 But can you imagine being so insane that you listen to a billionaire who tells you, yeah, you need to go into this country and launch missiles into the other country? 1.00

02:16:12.000 You might get your head blown off. 0.98

02:16:14.000 And being like, okay! 0.98

02:16:17.000 Alright, I'll go do it!

02:16:18.000 And I'm not talking about one country over another.

02:16:21.000 Right, any country.

02:16:22.000 All of them, man!

02:16:23.000 All of them.

02:16:23.000 All of them!

02:16:24.000 Like, really?

02:16:25.000 Like, what is the difference between that and Heaven's Gate, except that one has more money?

02:16:30.000 What's the difference? 0.99

02:16:31.000 Both of them are promulgating crazy fucking ideas. 0.99

02:16:34.000 Like, one of them is saying, that's the bad guy, and we're the good guy, and the other one is saying, that's the bad guy, and we're the good guy. 0.99

02:16:40.000 This is all absolutely true and I agree with everything you're saying.

02:16:43.000 However, if you woke up in this day and you realize that you have this problem and you need to figure out a solution to it, it's not as simple as, well, we're not just going to engage militarily because China's still going to be China and Russia's still going to be Russia and Iran's still going to be Iran and there's a perpetual war game that's been in motion for decades and decades.

02:17:03.000 And although you're right, It would be wholly irresponsible if you didn't pay attention to what's going on in the world and prepare for bad people.

02:17:13.000 Right, because then it's like...

02:17:14.000 You have to.

02:17:15.000 If they were heard, like if all of a sudden by some rotten bit of justice, somehow this podcast gets out and everyone in America and everyone puts down their arms and their guns.

02:17:28.000 How long before we got invaded?

02:17:31.000 The Russians will invade immediately. 0.97

02:17:33.000 30 minutes.

02:17:34.000 This is the problem!

02:17:35.000 Yeah.

02:17:36.000 This is where it all falls apart.

02:17:38.000 It does, but it doesn't.

02:17:39.000 What's interesting is how armed this country is.

02:17:41.000 This is an exceptionally armed country.

02:17:44.000 It's really weird when you think about it.

02:17:46.000 Like, I was watching this ad for the NRA the other day, and I was thinking, like, it is wild how many guns there are in relationship to people.

02:17:52.000 There's more guns than there are people.

02:17:54.000 Like, there's probably no other place like that on Earth where if you do invade, someone's gonna shoot you.

02:18:02.000 Right.

02:18:02.000 Right?

02:18:04.000 The amount of people that are like firearms owners in this country is bonkers.

02:18:10.000 Yeah.

02:18:12.000 Yeah, I mean, I know. 1.00

02:18:15.000 My dad had a fucking arsenal. 0.99

02:18:16.000 You should have seen all the weapons he had when he died. 1.00

02:18:18.000 It was insane.

02:18:19.000 I kept finding guns.

02:18:21.000 I was like, you look under a pile of clothes, a pistol, look over here.

02:18:25.000 He had so many guns.

02:18:27.000 And he loved guns.

02:18:28.000 And he liked to shoot guns.

02:18:30.000 It was fun.

02:18:30.000 That's a big, happy...

02:18:31.000 Nirvana wrote a song about him.

02:18:35.000 Yeah, my dad was actually friends with Kurt Cobain.

02:18:37.000 Was he?

02:18:38.000 No!

02:18:38.000 It's a great song.

02:18:40.000 Imagine if that was about your dad.

02:18:42.000 You could have held on to that a little longer.

02:18:44.000 I was with you.

02:18:45.000 I would have bought into it.

02:18:46.000 I'm not going to let you bully my dad.

02:18:48.000 I'm not going to do that to my dad's memory.

02:18:53.000 This is the problem.

02:18:54.000 A lot of our experience with guns, if you grew up in the South, is like familial memories that are really warm and sweet. 0.99

02:19:02.000 I remember, this is one of my big connections with my dad, is how strict he was with us about fucking guns, man. 0.97

02:19:09.000 He wouldn't let us play point guns at each other. 0.99

02:19:12.000 You'd never point a gun at anybody.

02:19:14.000 Strict, strict, strict rules about it.

02:19:17.000 It's probably pretty smart. 1.00

02:19:18.000 But also just the joy of being out in Texas, shooting fucking bottles, watching them blow up. 1.00

02:19:24.000 Never in there was some insinuation of like, we're going to use these to kill a bunch of people. 1.00

02:19:30.000 It was just fun. 0.96

02:19:31.000 Hearing things explode and things break.

02:19:34.000 So, yeah man, it's like, isn't this the problem of creating a stigma around something which is like, look, wouldn't it be better for your kids to have basic gun safety and understand that they're just like... 0.93

02:19:52.000 a tool like anything else and this is what you how you hold one and what you do and why you shouldn't have one and all that stuff then to like ignore that this technology exists and imagine the 3d printers in five or ten years even though they're already doing it aren't going to just get better and better and better at printing out these fucking things Yeah,

02:20:11.000 you know, they're actually legal.

02:20:13.000 That's what's crazy.

02:20:14.000 The 3D printed guns are?

02:20:15.000 Yeah, they're called ghost guns.

02:20:17.000 Make sure this is true, because I was listening to...

02:20:21.000 Coleon Noir was talking about it, and he was talking about how the Biden administration had been talking about ghost guns.

02:20:27.000 I didn't even know what the term meant, but apparently it means a gun you made yourself, and that you're legally allowed to make guns yourself.

02:20:36.000 You can order the parts.

02:20:37.000 Yeah.

02:20:37.000 Or you could be a blacksmith, I guess.

02:20:39.000 I guess.

02:20:39.000 I don't know what the specifics are.

02:20:42.000 But he was talking about this, and they call those guns ghost guns.

02:20:45.000 And I'm like, oh my god, how many ghost guns are there?

02:20:48.000 If we know how many people have guns and how many guns there are, do we know how many ghost guns there are?

02:20:54.000 Is that just guessing?

02:20:56.000 What's that number?

02:20:57.000 This is the winter is coming thing, which is like, okay, fine.

02:21:01.000 Have all the regulations you want. 0.98

02:21:02.000 And some of them I really agree with, but give me a fucking break. 0.99

02:21:06.000 In a few years, 10 years, 20 years, come on, man. 1.00

02:21:11.000 Guns are gonna be the least of your fucking problems, man. 1.00

02:21:14.000 The least of your problems. 0.99

02:21:15.000 Once CRISPR technology falls into the hands of the consumer, you know, once whatever that we can just cook up.

02:21:23.000 I mean, it's a dream of mine to have some kind of like chemistry microwave where you can just like type That's probably gonna happen. 0.92

02:21:33.000 Oh fuck yeah it is! 0.96

02:21:34.000 You just have to buy the elements, mix them up in a cauldron somewhere. 0.99

02:21:37.000 It's definitely gonna happen.

02:21:39.000 I mean, this is the thing McKenna would talk about, which is the amount of time between what you can think you want and that thing coming into existence is eventually going to be zero.

02:21:51.000 So, through technology, we could just pop whatever we want into existence, or maybe through the metaverse or whatever, or some, right?

02:21:59.000 So, this is a very, to me, I think, the effort when it comes to that form of regulation is like, it's, I get it, but I think over time, it's like, alright, you're going to have to start regulating a lot of stuff. 0.96

02:22:14.000 Like, you're going to have to start regulating, like, assholes who want to shoot their own satellites into space and can! 0.96

02:22:20.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:22:21.000 Right.

02:22:21.000 You would.

02:22:22.000 I would.

02:22:23.000 Would you? 1.00

02:22:23.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:22:25.000 Like if you could go to Best Buy and get a little satellite that you could shoot into space. 1.00

02:22:28.000 And you could have the Duncan Trestle show available only through satellite.

02:22:32.000 Exactly.

02:22:33.000 Of course I would do that.

02:22:34.000 You'd be your own server.

02:22:35.000 Yeah.

02:22:35.000 Totally self-reliant.

02:22:37.000 Dude.

02:22:37.000 This is the world we're headed towards.

02:22:40.000 How many people would be putting swarms of satellites up there on the moon? 0.91

02:22:46.000 That's what I said about clones or robots.

02:22:49.000 If somebody makes a robot clone of them, they download themselves into another body.

02:22:53.000 Why would they only do it once?

02:22:55.000 What if you got a lot of money?

02:22:56.000 What if you're just some crazy billionaire dude driving around a convertible Rolls Royce with fancy sunglasses on?

02:23:01.000 What if you make a hundred of yourself?

02:23:03.000 And then like next week you see them waving at each other at stoplights.

02:23:08.000 You're like, oh my god.

02:23:09.000 What have I done?

02:23:10.000 And they're all a unique individual that's allowed to live its own life.

02:23:14.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:23:15.000 And it woke up with a full rim of memories.

02:23:18.000 That's what happened.

02:23:20.000 God made man in his image.

02:23:21.000 That's what happened.

02:23:22.000 God cloned himself.

02:23:23.000 Once they do that, once they give you digital memories, and they're so much better, you can rewind them, which is really good for security, because sometimes people have two different stories, Duncan, and it would be better if I saw if that guy pulled his gun first.

02:23:35.000 I need to know what happened.

02:23:36.000 Did he say something threatening to you, or did you just hit him in the head with a bat?

02:23:39.000 Like, let's go back and watch, and we'll be able to review your memories. 0.61

02:23:42.000 What a nightmare.

02:23:43.000 So it won't just be like an eyewitness account.

02:23:45.000 It'll be like, HD, 4K, look at that.

02:23:48.000 Dude, disaster.

02:23:50.000 Yeah, you were drunk on tequila and you hit a guy in the head with a bat.

02:23:54.000 What about just when you're telling your friends that story that you like to kind of embellish a little bit?

02:24:00.000 And your friends are like, hey, do you mind doing a memory projection while you tell that story? 1.00

02:24:04.000 And they're like, shut the fuck up! 0.99

02:24:06.000 You didn't do that! 0.99

02:24:07.000 That would be so good to find out if someone's telling the truth, though.

02:24:10.000 Yeah.

02:24:11.000 If you really trusted someone, no, I don't need to see your memories.

02:24:14.000 We're good.

02:24:16.000 Oh my god.

02:24:17.000 You think that's gonna happen?

02:24:19.000 That phrase will 100% be uttered.

02:24:22.000 Dude, did you go through my memories? 1.00

02:24:24.000 Did you just go through my fucking memories, dude? 0.99

02:24:26.000 Like, you know, like how people go through their phones? 1.00

02:24:29.000 Dude, you didn't just go through my fucking memories. 0.99

02:24:31.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:24:32.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 0.98

02:24:34.000 That's not where you were Friday night. 0.99

02:24:37.000 What's this?

02:24:38.000 What's this?

02:24:39.000 Dude, I know.

02:24:40.000 You had other ideas. 1.00

02:24:41.000 Yeah, you had other fucking ideas. 1.00

02:24:43.000 You're out there being naughty. 0.99

02:24:44.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting.

02:24:48.000 There will be no secrets within 20 years.

02:24:53.000 There will be zero secrets of anything in your mind.

02:24:56.000 You won't even be able to keep thought secret.

02:24:59.000 Within 20 years.

02:25:00.000 Right.

02:25:01.000 Because they'll figure out a way just to, like, read, just to do it, man.

02:25:05.000 Just to know what the neural energy is inside of your brain, pick it up, and then translate it.

02:25:10.000 Anyone driving by, people, that's, oh my god.

02:25:13.000 It's coming. 1.00

02:25:14.000 That's when truly people are going to have to start wearing stupid helmets! 1.00

02:25:18.000 Imagine if that's what really works. 0.99

02:25:20.000 It's not tinfoil, but it's one of those, what are those things called that you put your phone into?

02:25:29.000 Faraday cage.

02:25:30.000 It's like a Faraday cage.

02:25:31.000 So that's what it is, a tinfoil hat.

02:25:33.000 Instead of a tinfoil hat, it's a Faraday hat.

02:25:34.000 And when you see someone wearing it, you're like, there goes a liar. 1.00

02:25:37.000 Look at them with their fucking liar's helmet on. 1.00

02:25:40.000 They have to wear that so we don't know what they're really thinking. 1.00

02:25:42.000 But what if the hackers get a hold of that and make, like, influential programs that go into your fucking memories and change memories? 0.98

02:25:51.000 Like, well, we have these digital memories, but we also have filters! 1.00

02:25:55.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:25:56.000 Someone already made one of these. 1.00

02:25:57.000 This is the best day of their life, by the way.

02:25:59.000 Faraday Cap.

02:26:00.000 Oh my god, they have one.

02:26:01.000 Lambs Faraday cap, wave stopper technology, 99% UV and wireless radiation block.

02:26:06.000 Why do I think it's hot that she would believe that?

02:26:11.000 Right?

02:26:11.000 A pretty girl that has a Faraday hat on?

02:26:13.000 Because it's cool. 0.90

02:26:14.000 Like, yeah, she's so crazy. 0.99

02:26:15.000 She believes the government's trying to wire her brain. 0.99

02:26:17.000 I like it. 0.99

02:26:17.000 It's fucking cool. 0.99

02:26:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:26:19.000 That's better.

02:26:20.000 That's like a little red whining.

02:26:22.000 I love that.

02:26:23.000 Oh, this is on Amazon.

02:26:25.000 It's only 60 bucks.

02:26:26.000 Wow.

02:26:27.000 Radiation protection.

02:26:28.000 I'm going to wear that on stage from now on.

02:26:29.000 That's my new look.

02:26:30.000 Yeah, but what happens if you start wearing that?

02:26:32.000 Next podcast, we're wearing those.

02:26:33.000 And all of a sudden we're wearing...

02:26:35.000 Order dose, please.

02:26:36.000 Or to dose.

02:26:37.000 We're way more articulate.

02:26:38.000 Imagine if it works.

02:26:39.000 Like our thoughts clear up.

02:26:40.000 What if all of a sudden you just feel more relaxed?

02:26:42.000 And you realize, oh my god, it's electronic interception.

02:26:46.000 Just like bees. 0.91

02:26:47.000 Like how it's fucking up bees. 0.97

02:26:49.000 You know, they think cell phone signals are fucking bees up. 0.94

02:26:52.000 They think it's like a constant jackhammer. 1.00

02:26:56.000 They're like, whoa, this shit is not supposed to be out here. 0.99

02:26:59.000 They're supposed to be out communicating somehow or another. 1.00

02:27:02.000 They don't exactly know.

02:27:04.000 That's so creepy, man.

02:27:06.000 That's so sad.

02:27:07.000 What's so funny?

02:27:08.000 I'm not going to say it.

02:27:10.000 Say it.

02:27:11.000 There's a beanie.

02:27:12.000 A beanie?

02:27:13.000 Why is that so funny?

02:27:15.000 You just thought it was that funny?

02:27:20.000 Jamie, did you get a contact high from us?

02:27:23.000 Tim Pool wears a beanie all the time.

02:27:26.000 Maybe he's ahead of the game.

02:27:27.000 Maybe we get Tim Pool a new beanie.

02:27:28.000 Against 5G, cell towers, smart meters, and Wi-Fi.

02:27:31.000 Maybe that's what it is.

02:27:33.000 Maybe he's ahead of the game.

02:27:35.000 Keep your family protected.

02:27:36.000 You should keep your family protected with beanies. 1.00

02:27:38.000 Gotta get your fucking kids to wear beanies. 1.00

02:27:39.000 A Faraday beanie. 1.00

02:27:41.000 Yeah, man.

02:27:41.000 Oh, we gotta get a beanie.

02:27:43.000 Well, we should definitely get a hood.

02:27:45.000 Why don't you start making them?

02:27:47.000 J.R.E. Faraday cages.

02:27:49.000 It's called a brain coat.

02:27:52.000 Oh, nice.

02:27:52.000 You look like a knight.

02:27:54.000 Shielding for your mind.

02:27:55.000 You're a knight in the digital war.

02:27:57.000 Look, there you go.

02:27:57.000 Oh, that's a Faraday cage?

02:28:00.000 Oh, for hunting.

02:28:01.000 That way I could really be one with nature without any influence.

02:28:04.000 Avoid government spying.

02:28:05.000 Avoid government spying.

02:28:07.000 And look, you can keep your phone in that pocket right near your ear.

02:28:11.000 The earmuff looks like a cell phone pocket.

02:28:13.000 Does that look like a pocket?

02:28:15.000 Just answer your phone from right there.

02:28:17.000 Hello, Duncan speaking.

02:28:19.000 There's like a little hole where the microphone is at the bottom.

02:28:22.000 Oh, God, I love it, man.

02:28:24.000 Actually, there's a whole industry out there for these things.

02:28:27.000 Of course there is.

02:28:28.000 That's pretty fascinating.

02:28:28.000 I didn't realize that.

02:28:29.000 Let's get ready for Faraday cage underwear, because I know those are out there, too.

02:28:33.000 I mean, that makes more sense to me. 0.99

02:28:35.000 A dick sheath? 1.00

02:28:36.000 Something to keep the EMF off your dick. 1.00

02:28:38.000 Yeah, like a jock strap. 1.00

02:28:39.000 Like some kind of a harness.

02:28:41.000 100%.

02:28:41.000 That makes more sense than the helmet.

02:28:42.000 Oh, they have it.

02:28:43.000 There they go.

02:28:43.000 There you go.

02:28:44.000 It's already there.

02:28:45.000 Where do we got here?

02:28:46.000 All of it.

02:28:47.000 Those are Faraday cage?

02:28:48.000 Yep, Faraday underwear.

02:28:50.000 Faraday cheeky briefs.

02:28:51.000 That's for your girl.

02:28:51.000 You give that to your girl.

02:28:52.000 So, baby.

02:28:53.000 It's the same company, Lambs.

02:28:55.000 They're all over it.

02:28:57.000 That's crazy, man. 1.00

02:28:59.000 You said, baby, this pussy can't be on an open network. 1.00

02:29:01.000 We've got to close you to that digital signal. 1.00

02:29:04.000 I'm going to have to shut you down. 1.00

02:29:04.000 I'm going to put a Faraday cage over that pussy. 1.00

02:29:07.000 Anti-radiation underwear. 1.00

02:29:08.000 Anti-radiation underwear.

02:29:10.000 Well, that, I mean, I don't know if that's a bad idea.

02:29:12.000 As a testicular cancer survivor, I think it's a good idea.

02:29:15.000 Do you think that the radiation that you get from cell phones gives people cancer?

02:29:19.000 Or could?

02:29:20.000 I don't know.

02:29:20.000 No, don't answer that.

02:29:21.000 Because we're on a podcast.

02:29:23.000 What do you mean?

02:29:24.000 We don't know.

02:29:24.000 I'm like, don't answer that.

02:29:26.000 It's a terrible question to answer.

02:29:28.000 But I think you're allowed to go, I don't know, and then say, maybe it's this, right?

02:29:33.000 I think so.

02:29:34.000 Clearly, we don't know. 1.00

02:29:36.000 I don't know, but I know that before I got testicular cancer, I played a lot of fucking World of Warcraft on a laptop right on my dick. 1.00

02:29:43.000 I know that. 1.00

02:29:43.000 Oh, Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:29:44.000 Is that what did it?

02:29:45.000 Who knows? 0.98

02:29:46.000 But I would imagine keeping a powerful thing that's radiating energy Over your balls is probably not the best idea, right? 0.96

02:29:57.000 That's not the best idea. 0.93

02:29:58.000 No, try to get a little separation there.

02:30:01.000 I don't think that's crazy or anything. 0.99

02:30:02.000 Just the heat on your balls. 0.98

02:30:05.000 I mean, those things get hot, don't they? 0.99

02:30:08.000 Yeah.

02:30:08.000 And you would play forever.

02:30:11.000 Forever.

02:30:12.000 Just roasting my balls. 1.00

02:30:14.000 Oh my god, dude. 0.99

02:30:15.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't, you know, again, I don't know for sure, but you can't, that's the problem, you can't really, like.

02:30:20.000 Yeah, no one knows.

02:30:21.000 You don't know the reason, but yeah, I think that makes sense to keep.

02:30:26.000 Faraday cage underwear on.

02:30:27.000 Yeah.

02:30:28.000 But it might be also a heat thing, too. 0.85

02:30:30.000 I mean, that can't be good, heating your balls up like that, with the, that thing sitting, no. 0.88

02:30:35.000 What am I saying? 0.96

02:30:36.000 I get in a sauna every day. 1.00

02:30:38.000 What the fuck am I talking about? 0.99

02:30:39.000 Yeah, but the sauna energy isn't coming from, like, porn. 1.00

02:30:50.000 It's not fueled by fucking porn! 1.00

02:30:52.000 Imagine the irony if you got ball cancer from jerking off to porn. 1.00

02:30:57.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:30:58.000 The computer, the laptop.

02:30:59.000 But that doesn't even make sense.

02:31:00.000 How would you have it sit there?

02:31:02.000 You can't.

02:31:02.000 You'd have to be a weird computer.

02:31:04.000 You'd have to be a hole in the middle of the computer or you'd just jizz all over the place. 0.99

02:31:07.000 The other computer is shaped like a fucking life preserver. 0.99

02:31:12.000 You just reach in and whack off. 1.00

02:31:15.000 It's a computer just for whacking off.

02:31:18.000 Yes.

02:31:18.000 And getting cancer.

02:31:20.000 You have to specifically work at it.

02:31:22.000 Yeah. 0.93

02:31:22.000 I think it's more like people who sit in bed with a computer over their genitals. 0.93

02:31:29.000 Well, they have that thing that people do use in bed sometimes.

02:31:32.000 It's a little laptop table.

02:31:35.000 You think of breakfast in bed tables?

02:31:37.000 It's kind of like one of them jammies. 1.00

02:31:38.000 Yeah, fuck that. 1.00

02:31:39.000 But they have a little laptop table to sit in bed. 1.00

02:31:41.000 Too lazy for that.

02:31:41.000 I'm not going to go get my laptop table when I want to look at my computer in bed.

02:31:46.000 I think the future people that you were talking about, that is going to be one of the things where they're like, yeah, they just put the computers right on their dicks. 0.85

02:31:55.000 They didn't even think it could be bad for them somehow. 0.99

02:31:58.000 Just slowly microwaving your balls. 1.00

02:32:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:01.000 Yeah.

02:32:01.000 I mean, surely that can't be good.

02:32:04.000 Can't be good.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:06.000 But it's funny.

02:32:08.000 People don't tell you.

02:32:10.000 When you're doing something, they don't even know. 0.96

02:32:12.000 With long-term exposure to laptops, fucking how long have laptops been around? 0.99

02:32:17.000 How long have laptops been sitting over dicks? 0.99

02:32:19.000 Not long. 0.65

02:32:20.000 That's not a lot of years.

02:32:21.000 Not long in the course of human history.

02:32:23.000 I wonder if they could actually track, I wonder if anyone's done this, track actual laptop, like sitting it on your laptop use and some form of testicular cancer.

02:32:35.000 I wonder if they've done that.

02:32:36.000 I don't know.

02:32:37.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:32:38.000 Jamie, can you Google that?

02:32:43.000 I mean, it's literally called a laptop.

02:32:45.000 Testicular cancer.

02:32:46.000 You're supposed to put it in your lap.

02:32:47.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:32:48.000 The name invites you to fry your dick. 1.00

02:32:55.000 That's exactly what it does. 1.00

02:32:57.000 It invites you to fry your dick. 1.00

02:32:58.000 Yeah, just put it on your lap. 1.00

02:32:59.000 It's just easier.

02:33:01.000 Is it true that if you rest your laptop on your lap, you could get current scientific evidence indicates there's no link between using a portable laptop computer and cancer?

02:33:09.000 Most of the theories about laptops and cancer relate to heat, electromagnetic radiation, or radiation from wireless networks.

02:33:18.000 Well, that's good news.

02:33:19.000 But how do they know that?

02:33:21.000 Because things don't give cancer to everybody.

02:33:24.000 That's what's crazy about things that give people cancer. 0.99

02:33:26.000 There's people who smoke cigarettes their whole fucking life. 0.99

02:33:28.000 No cancer. 1.00

02:33:29.000 And then there's people that work in a bar and, you know, they get secondhand smoke and they die young.

02:33:36.000 Both those things happen.

02:33:38.000 It can lead to certain types of cancer.

02:33:40.000 Here it goes.

02:33:42.000 Six reasons to never place your laptop on your lap.

02:33:44.000 It can lead to certain types of cancer.

02:33:46.000 Swiss researchers, Dr. Andreas, blah, blah, blah.

02:33:49.000 Click on that link.

02:33:51.000 What is it?

02:33:52.000 The first one was from cancer.org.

02:33:54.000 The second one's from Vestek.

02:33:56.000 Oh, you can't trust those Australians. 1.00

02:33:57.000 They're beaten down over there.

02:33:58.000 The government got them over a log.

02:34:02.000 This random blog, I don't know, is better information.

02:34:05.000 Much better.

02:34:05.000 Look at that lady's legs.

02:34:06.000 It's so important.

02:34:07.000 What happens when you press your laptop on your lap?

02:34:10.000 Laptops are one of the most common productivity tools today.

02:34:13.000 They're portable, convenient, and powerful.

02:34:15.000 Contrary to its name, however, a laptop does not belong on your lap unless you want to expose yourself to harmful electromagnetic frequency radiation.

02:34:24.000 Laptops emit EMFs in many different frequencies.

02:34:26.000 These EMFs can be extremely harmful to your health.

02:34:28.000 Your vital organs also get an unhealthy dose of electromagnetic radiation from your laptop computer if you make a habit of actually putting it on your lap. 0.99

02:34:37.000 How many people read that while it was on their dick? 1.00

02:34:42.000 A lot! 1.00

02:34:43.000 A lot!

02:34:45.000 Okay, to our knowledge, this is the first study to evaluate direct impact of laptop use on human spermatozoa.

02:34:53.000 Ex vivo exposure of human spermatozoa to a wireless internet-connected laptop decreased motility and induced DNA fragmentation by a non-thermal effect.

02:35:04.000 Non-thermal.

02:35:05.000 I mean, it's not because of heat.

02:35:06.000 Wow.

02:35:07.000 We speculate that keeping a laptop connected wireless to the internet on the lab near the testes may result in decreased male fertility. 1.00

02:35:14.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:35:14.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:35:17.000 It can lead to certain types of... 0.99

02:35:18.000 First of all, I don't know if these guys are right.

02:35:20.000 Yeah, we don't know what this is.

02:35:21.000 Anyone could have...

02:35:22.000 I'm just going to be reading this out for the rest of the podcast.

02:35:24.000 Dude, it's...

02:35:25.000 It's terrifying.

02:35:26.000 It's terrifying.

02:35:26.000 That's what you were thinking?

02:35:27.000 Tell me.

02:35:28.000 Let me know.

02:35:29.000 Imagine somebody had to write that. 0.94

02:35:31.000 That's what really sucks. 0.96

02:35:32.000 Yeah, it's... 0.97

02:35:33.000 I mean, imagine if we find out that a lot of things we're doing are fucking us up. 0.99

02:35:39.000 Imagine 5G winds up not being bad, but 6G starts fucking with your head.

02:35:45.000 If they keep going, is there going to be a frequency like, hey guys, we just came out with 13G and good news, no more need for phones.

02:35:53.000 We're getting it right into your DNA. Well, I think that if they found that out, it would be a weapon, right?

02:36:02.000 If they knew that you could send out a frequency that really fried people's brains, then that would be a new weapon that people would use.

02:36:10.000 What are they calling it?

02:36:12.000 The Cuban thing where people hear crickets and then they have brain damage.

02:36:16.000 They hear like the chirping of cicadas or something and then suddenly for the rest of their lives they have neurological damage and no one knows what it is yet.

02:36:27.000 Some people say it's not real.

02:36:30.000 It's hysteria.

02:36:32.000 Some people say it's like some new weapon that they're blasting it.

02:36:36.000 I think they're pretty sure something is actually happening now.

02:36:39.000 I think they're pretty sure.

02:36:40.000 From the last thing that I glanced at, they were saying before that they were thinking that some of it may have been people making things up or they thought people were exaggerating or...

02:36:53.000 What else did they say?

02:36:54.000 What were the other possibilities?

02:36:56.000 I just read that.

02:36:59.000 It's hysterical.

02:37:00.000 It's hysterics.

02:37:02.000 It's people, you know...

02:37:04.000 Mass hysteria.

02:37:06.000 And it was more than one person, right?

02:37:07.000 Yeah.

02:37:07.000 How many people supposedly have it?

02:37:08.000 I don't know.

02:37:09.000 Do they think it's real now?

02:37:11.000 So what is it called?

02:37:12.000 Havana syndrome?

02:37:13.000 Havana syndrome.

02:37:14.000 What is the latest opinion on Havana syndrome? 0.99

02:37:18.000 Because whatever it was, what they were really terrified of was that someone was going to be able to just fuck with people's heads from a distance. 0.98

02:37:24.000 So you could point it at the president while he's giving a speech, you could point it at a race car driver in the middle of a turn, you could do whatever you want. 0.99

02:37:30.000 And if that really came to be, where you can just fuck with someone's head from a distance, Hey man, how is it possible for them to send radio signals through the sky? 0.97

02:37:40.000 How is it possible for them to send cable signals through the ground and satellite video and stuff that comes from your phone to another phone? 0.96

02:37:48.000 You don't think it's possible that they could just send some sort of a pulse that directly connects with... 0.88

02:37:54.000 Whatever the fuck it is that allows you, whether it's hearing, whether it's something, where they can pinpoint an organ in your body and irritate it, and not just your head. 0.83

02:38:06.000 What if there's something they can do that can impact your heart? 0.99

02:38:09.000 Sure.

02:38:10.000 There's a reason why people's hearts stop when they get electrocuted, right?

02:38:13.000 Yeah.

02:38:13.000 Like something happens to them and their body freezes up and it stops beating.

02:38:18.000 What if they can just fuck with that a little bit? 0.99

02:38:20.000 Well, the heart, the CIA made a heart attack gun. 1.00

02:38:23.000 That's real.

02:38:24.000 You don't even have to have a gun.

02:38:25.000 Remember when Tesla was trying to send electricity through the air? 1.00

02:38:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:38:29.000 What if they could figure out how to send electricity through the air and give you a fucking heart attack while you're sitting at the bar? 0.99

02:38:34.000 We'd be in trouble. 0.99

02:38:35.000 Could you imagine if electricity worked like a drone? 0.99

02:38:40.000 You knew where you would send it, you just coordinated it into a thing, and it goes right through the fucking wall and zaps someone in the head, and they just drop dead on the spot. 0.96

02:38:48.000 Can you imagine that weapon? 0.99

02:38:50.000 How crazy that would be?

02:38:51.000 You'd go right through buildings.

02:38:52.000 A whole city.

02:38:53.000 Everyone just dies.

02:38:55.000 The infrastructure remains.

02:38:56.000 You just have to go in and scoop them out.

02:38:58.000 Can you imagine?

02:38:59.000 A guy's on a date with his wife, and the wife's ex-husband kills both of them with electricity.

02:39:08.000 Can you imagine? 0.99

02:39:09.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

02:39:10.000 Rival football teams kill each other with electricity. 1.00

02:39:13.000 Scary.

02:39:14.000 Life is cheap.

02:39:15.000 Anybody can just electrocute.

02:39:18.000 People from other countries electrocute people on the other side of the border. 0.96

02:39:22.000 Suddenly the number of followers you have on Twitter becomes very scary.

02:39:26.000 No, just because that many people are aware of you.

02:39:29.000 What is the statistical probability that one of them will be like, why don't I just fire an electrical beam at Rogan?

02:39:36.000 Imagine a technology that just allowed you to direct a lethal electrical beam anywhere in the world.

02:39:45.000 Yeah, from a satellite.

02:39:46.000 Yeah.

02:39:47.000 You want to talk about mutually assured destruction and people being nice because at any point in time someone could just end you with electricity?

02:39:54.000 Just turn you off.

02:39:55.000 What do you think would be the average age people would make it to?

02:39:57.000 I think five.

02:39:58.000 I think we'd have a nation of five-year-olds and everybody else would be electrocuted. 1.00

02:40:02.000 And five-year-olds would be toasting kids for fucking stealing their spaghetti. 0.99

02:40:07.000 Toasting kids for using their big wheel too long. 1.00

02:40:09.000 Fuck you, bam. 1.00

02:40:10.000 Billy, you gotta not kill people. 1.00

02:40:11.000 You're not gonna have any friends.

02:40:13.000 There'd be like long distances between houses.

02:40:16.000 Very few people left. 0.99

02:40:18.000 Dude, it would be, just forget it, like after one fucking night, after one night of Hearthstone, you know, like after one night of any of these games people play, so many people would just kill you if they could. 0.99

02:40:29.000 At least with a gun you can hide. 0.99

02:40:31.000 You can go behind a wall.

02:40:33.000 Imagine if electricity can go through a building and moved like a homing pigeon.

02:40:39.000 Just right to the spot.

02:40:40.000 Knew exactly where you were.

02:40:43.000 I know what your number is.

02:40:44.000 You're number 39. Zap 39. And just fuck him. 1.00

02:40:48.000 And just send it. 1.00

02:40:49.000 And then you listen. 1.00

02:40:51.000 It would be so fucked up, man. 1.00

02:40:53.000 If people could just kill people like that with a press of a button, there'd be literally nobody left. 1.00

02:40:57.000 It would just be people dropping like flies, and you'd want to do somebody before they did you, and people would just start killing each other with electric bolts. 0.62

02:41:04.000 That's a very interesting...

02:41:05.000 That's like a Twilight Zone where everybody wakes up, Yeah, Black Mirror.

02:41:09.000 With the ability to kill anyone they wanted to.

02:41:12.000 At any time. 0.99

02:41:13.000 With a press of a button.

02:41:14.000 With an electrical bolt.

02:41:16.000 Comes out of the sky and just cooks them.

02:41:18.000 Gets through buildings, finds them, specifically targets them.

02:41:22.000 That's cool.

02:41:22.000 That episode, it should just start with someone walking on the sidewalk.

02:41:26.000 And all of a sudden people around them just start dropping.

02:41:29.000 Bursting of powder. 0.99

02:41:30.000 What the fuck's going on? 0.99

02:41:31.000 Yeah, just fully electrocuted and burst into flames and drop into cinders. 1.00

02:41:37.000 If you could do that, how many people would not kill people? 0.97

02:41:41.000 It would be a real problem because anybody could kill anybody. 0.51

02:41:44.000 That's it.

02:41:45.000 So people would start killing people.

02:41:46.000 When people would start disappearing, you'd want other people to disappear.

02:41:49.000 That's it.

02:41:50.000 And you'd want to figure out how to hide from...

02:41:51.000 People would try to make up some elaborate shelters to hide from the electricity.

02:41:56.000 But the real problem of it is, let's imagine that actually humans are more compassionate than we're thinking they are right now.

02:42:05.000 You really just need one person who decides to kill everybody else.

02:42:12.000 This is the problem to me.

02:42:16.000 This is where we're headed, man.

02:42:17.000 This is where we're headed.

02:42:19.000 Full steam ahead to a point where our technologies Get better and better and better so that it's no longer school shootings.

02:42:27.000 It's no longer someone gunning people down in a subway.

02:42:30.000 It's some, as of yet, non-existent technology that someone gets access to and just wipes out entire cities.

02:42:39.000 Right.

02:42:39.000 Vaporizes.

02:42:40.000 Vaporizes people.

02:42:41.000 I mean, this is the scary thing about the world that we're in right now is that if people will do mass shootings, they're using the gun Right.

02:42:54.000 Right.

02:43:14.000 Instead of a mass shooting, it's just a bunch of people on a subway just melt because someone sent nanobots into the subway to just destroy them.

02:43:24.000 I mean, this is what we're facing as a species, is the inevitable...

02:43:33.000 Creation of something that's more accessible than most weapons of mass destruction are now.

02:43:39.000 And then what are we going to do?

02:43:41.000 Right.

02:43:42.000 It's like cell phones used to be very hard to get.

02:43:44.000 Now everybody has them.

02:43:46.000 And they're tiny.

02:43:48.000 Nuclear weapons were very difficult to acquire.

02:43:50.000 And they kept the lid on that for a few hundred years until it just became nuclear apps on your phone.

02:43:58.000 Yeah, dude.

02:43:58.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:44:00.000 Panel says some Havana syndrome cause cases may stem from radio energy.

02:44:05.000 A group of experts found that not all injuries to diplomats and CIA officers could be explained by stress or psychosomatic reactions.

02:44:12.000 There you go.

02:44:13.000 So that's what they were calling it at first, psychosomatic.

02:44:15.000 They were saying that they were just imagining that they had these issues.

02:44:18.000 But what are the issues that they're coming up with? 1.00

02:44:30.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:44:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:47.000 Goddammit, this is the last thing we need. 0.72

02:44:49.000 It said, listen to this, intelligence officials briefed on the panel's findings, did not say how many cases it had focused on, although they said between 10 and 20 victims were interviewed.

02:44:58.000 They said the panel focused on cases in which victims heard a strange sound or felt pressure and then experienced a loss of balance and ear pain.

02:45:06.000 In addition, the panel focused on cases in which the victims reported the sounds as coming from a specific location.

02:45:12.000 Whoa.

02:45:14.000 So spooky.

02:45:15.000 Whoa.

02:45:17.000 That's wild.

02:45:18.000 Ultrasound could have caused some of the injuries.

02:45:21.000 The panel identified one potential cause, what's called pulsed electromagnetic energy, particularly in the radio frequency range, also known as directed energy.

02:45:31.000 Wow. 0.98

02:45:32.000 Fucking spooky, man. 1.00

02:45:34.000 That's wild shit, dude. 1.00

02:45:35.000 They could just fuck with your brain. 1.00

02:45:37.000 Turn you off. 1.00

02:45:38.000 Now, if they can do that, why can't they do that with an electric bolt that kills you?

02:45:42.000 I bet they can.

02:45:43.000 They could.

02:45:44.000 I bet they will be able to.

02:45:45.000 That's the scary thing.

02:45:46.000 Whatever way you could think of to kill people, they will eventually invent it.

02:45:51.000 Think of before the gun.

02:45:52.000 It was pretty hard to kill someone. 0.97

02:45:54.000 Now you can kill someone a half a mile away with a rifle. 0.91

02:45:56.000 You had to use a rock. 0.97

02:45:57.000 You had to use a sling.

02:45:58.000 You had to get close.

02:45:59.000 A bow. 0.98

02:45:59.000 You had to risk them killing you. 0.98

02:46:01.000 At first it was no weapons. 1.00

02:46:02.000 You had to kill them with your bare hands and beat them to death. 0.99

02:46:04.000 And then it became you had to fight things off with sticks and pointed things and weapons. 0.99

02:46:09.000 And then it became shoot them at a distance with an And throw a spear and all the other different things that people figured out before they figured out guns.

02:46:16.000 Now that everybody figured out guns, the smallest child can end your life with a mere pull of a finger.

02:46:21.000 There's no strength impediment.

02:46:23.000 Everyone is created entirely equal when it comes to the impact.

02:46:30.000 It's a showstopper.

02:46:32.000 If he has a gun, you don't have a gun, he's five, you're dead.

02:46:34.000 Yeah, that's how it goes.

02:46:37.000 Yeah, it's definitely a new thing.

02:46:41.000 Because you could see a five-year-old pick up a rock or whatever.

02:46:45.000 What are you going to do?

02:46:46.000 So that's new within a few hundred years, right?

02:46:48.000 And with pistols and revolvers, it's new from the 1800s.

02:46:51.000 I mean, they credit the Colt revolver with being one of the ways that the Cowboys fought off the Comanches when they first started adopting it. 0.98

02:47:00.000 These revolvers that had more than one bullet in them because it used to be at a musket. 0.99

02:47:05.000 You had to pack that fucker down and reload and by the time you did that the Native Americans were on you and you were dead. 1.00

02:47:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:10.000 So they figured that out. 1.00

02:47:11.000 So that changed the entire West.

02:47:14.000 Yeah.

02:47:14.000 That changed Where people could settle and live.

02:47:17.000 That changed how they fought war with the Comanche.

02:47:20.000 Well, when they did that, they changed the course of history.

02:47:23.000 So if it goes from that to everybody can have a gun, like these constitutional carry states, there's like 23 of them now where anybody can have a gun at any time.

02:47:31.000 My Uber driver had a gun.

02:47:31.000 There's more guns than there are people.

02:47:32.000 Yeah, you were telling me.

02:47:33.000 Your Uber driver.

02:47:34.000 Think of that and imagine if that's the case with something really crazy, like a drone with a warhead.

02:47:40.000 Yeah.

02:47:41.000 Yeah, man.

02:47:42.000 Really spooky.

02:47:43.000 Yeah.

02:47:43.000 Drones with warheads that operate off Tor, so you can't track them.

02:47:47.000 Sure.

02:47:48.000 They're using virtual private networks.

02:47:50.000 Bugs.

02:47:51.000 Just bugs.

02:47:52.000 No one pays attention to bugs.

02:47:54.000 This is the tiny little beetles that are watching. 1.00

02:47:59.000 You don't know if one of those has gotten into your fucking house. 0.99

02:48:02.000 Right now, when someone wants to scope out your property, which I hate, you know when all of a sudden a fucking drone just appears? 1.00

02:48:09.000 Who is that? 0.99

02:48:10.000 Are you allowed to shoot those down?

02:48:12.000 I think it depends on the height of the drone.

02:48:16.000 Really?

02:48:17.000 I'm not positive.

02:48:18.000 You can't shoot straight at a space.

02:48:19.000 I think there's a height considered to be on your property.

02:48:22.000 Oh, interesting.

02:48:23.000 And there's a height that's no longer on your property.

02:48:25.000 Otherwise, people could shoot planes down.

02:48:27.000 Like, it was in my yard!

02:48:28.000 Stay off my land! 1.00

02:48:30.000 Yeah, that's true, right?

02:48:31.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:48:32.000 But, you know, the drones are going to get smaller and smaller and smaller.

02:48:36.000 They look like flies now.

02:48:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:48:38.000 Have you seen those?

02:48:39.000 No.

02:48:39.000 The ones that look like flies?

02:48:40.000 I haven't seen those.

02:48:41.000 Look at that.

02:48:44.000 They have tiny drones that fly like wings.

02:48:47.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:48:47.000 Yeah.

02:48:48.000 I mean, they're going to, when battery technology and software becomes more efficient, they're going to be able to have these things fly around and look like that.

02:48:58.000 Why can't it look like it would be?

02:48:59.000 Looks like that.

02:48:59.000 Look at that.

02:49:00.000 What is that?

02:49:01.000 That's a real one, though.

02:49:01.000 That's a real bug.

02:49:02.000 That's a real dragonfly.

02:49:04.000 It's not.

02:49:05.000 Which, by the way, it's not a real drone?

02:49:07.000 It's not. 0.98

02:49:07.000 If it's not, then they fucking made a really good one. 0.98

02:49:09.000 But, by the way, I mean, let's forget about drones and how fucking cool are dragonflies. 0.99

02:49:13.000 Cool as fuck. 0.99

02:49:14.000 Look at that thing. 1.00

02:49:15.000 That's a living organism on planet Earth.

02:49:17.000 Isn't it?

02:49:18.000 It's one of the oldest, I believe.

02:49:19.000 Is it really?

02:49:20.000 Yeah.

02:49:20.000 It looks like it is.

02:49:21.000 I mean, that is a dope-looking insect.

02:49:23.000 Thing's been around for a long time.

02:49:25.000 They're so cool.

02:49:26.000 Like, they're not threatening.

02:49:28.000 They pose no danger to us.

02:49:30.000 And they're, like, super imposing and cool-looking, and they're big.

02:49:33.000 They don't taste good.

02:49:34.000 Have you eaten them?

02:49:35.000 I'm just saying, if they did, they wouldn't be around as much.

02:49:38.000 Right.

02:49:38.000 Well, they look like they'd be poisoned.

02:49:40.000 Yeah.

02:49:40.000 With that yellow and black that looks like, don't eat me, almost like a danger warning.

02:49:44.000 Yeah.

02:49:45.000 Yeah, they look really old.

02:49:48.000 And yeah, like that kind of stuff, man, that's really, it's really weird when you see- Old design.

02:49:56.000 Old design.

02:49:57.000 Studebaker's.

02:49:58.000 Studebaker of bodies.

02:50:00.000 Yeah, man.

02:50:01.000 It's crazy to see that.

02:50:02.000 Or sharks.

02:50:04.000 How about an alligator gar? 1.00

02:50:05.000 Oh, those are fucking creepy, dude. 0.99

02:50:08.000 That is straight prehistoric. 1.00

02:50:10.000 That's the most prehistoric thing that's alive today.

02:50:13.000 If you looked at it, the way they look with their teeth, pull up a photo of an alligator gar.

02:50:17.000 It looks like something from the Jurassic.

02:50:20.000 It doesn't look like something that's supposed to be here right now.

02:50:24.000 I think they're millions of years old.

02:50:25.000 I don't know how many millions of years old, but I'm pretty sure that guards...

02:50:29.000 Certain things just work.

02:50:30.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:50:30.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

02:50:31.000 So spooky. 1.00

02:50:32.000 Tell me that doesn't seem like something from another era.

02:50:36.000 That seems like a dinosaur. 1.00

02:50:37.000 Fucking teeth. 1.00

02:50:38.000 Right? 1.00

02:50:38.000 I mean, that's what I would assume dinosaur fish were like. 1.00

02:50:42.000 Or dinosaur-era fish were like.

02:50:44.000 Look at the size of that thing.

02:50:45.000 It looks like it's laughing.

02:50:48.000 I mean, I think they have its mouth propped open with a stick to show their teeth.

02:50:51.000 That's generally what they do.

02:50:53.000 But if you look how big these things are, I mean, some of them grow to like 14 feet long, man. 0.99

02:50:58.000 They're fucking huge, dude. 0.95

02:51:00.000 And they have these crazy thick outer coats that you have to cut through with like wire snippers. 1.00

02:51:09.000 Like their body is like armored. 0.99

02:51:12.000 All that shit on the outside, it's super tough. 1.00

02:51:14.000 Brent Carford. 1.00

02:51:19.000 Look at that sucker. 1.00

02:51:21.000 They really do seem like they're from another time. 1.00

02:51:24.000 Yeah.

02:51:25.000 There's a few of those animals that are out here.

02:51:27.000 Crocodiles are for sure one.

02:51:29.000 Crocodiles.

02:51:29.000 For sure that's one that just seems like it's from another time.

02:51:32.000 Or that giant chicken that just popped up on the internet.

02:51:35.000 Did you see that thing?

02:51:35.000 What?

02:51:36.000 Did you see that video of that giant chicken, Jamie?

02:51:38.000 It's huge.

02:51:39.000 It comes out of the hen house that it's in.

02:51:42.000 It's like giant.

02:51:43.000 How big is it?

02:51:45.000 It's like probably four feet or something.

02:51:47.000 What? 1.00

02:51:48.000 Look at this fucking... 1.00

02:51:49.000 Oh, I have seen this video. 1.00

02:51:50.000 Yeah, I have seen this video. 1.00

02:51:51.000 What the fuck?! 1.00

02:51:52.000 Yeah.

02:51:53.000 It's a specific breed of rooster.

02:51:56.000 It's a big rooster.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, that's, you know, if you don't believe that the dinosaurs turned into birds, that's a dinosaur.

02:52:05.000 That's 100% a dinosaur.

02:52:07.000 Sometimes don't chickens grow fangs or something?

02:52:12.000 Hen's tooth.

02:52:13.000 Hen's tooth.

02:52:14.000 Yeah.

02:52:14.000 It kind of goes back to dinosaur for a second.

02:52:17.000 I don't know if that's the origin of it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

02:52:20.000 A lot of animals used to have tusks and all sorts of other things that have retracted and just become like ivories inside their mouth.

02:52:28.000 Like elk have those.

02:52:29.000 Elk at one point in time used to have tusks.

02:52:31.000 Yeah.

02:52:32.000 I wouldn't be surprised if that's what a hen's tooth is.

02:52:35.000 Does a hen's tooth look like an actual fang?

02:52:43.000 No.

02:52:44.000 Okay, I think it's actually...

02:52:45.000 Oh, is it one of those phrases?

02:52:47.000 It's as rare as a hen's tooth. 0.97

02:52:48.000 No, I think like, and again, the reason I think this is because I was probably taking a shit and like scrolled by something and read it wrong. 0.97

02:52:56.000 But like I think they, like sometimes they either grow fangs or like they grow like some kind of dinosaur. 0.99

02:53:03.000 God damn it, it's probably not true. 0.97

02:53:05.000 For years I've been believing this. 0.99

02:53:07.000 They've made, some scientists made some, they forced hen's teeth to grow. 1.00

02:53:12.000 That's what it was.

02:53:14.000 You know what I went down a rabbit hole yesterday?

02:53:15.000 What?

02:53:16.000 Watching Komodo dragons eat monkeys.

02:53:19.000 Oh, dude.

02:53:20.000 Dude.

02:53:21.000 Why would you do that to yourself? 1.00

02:53:23.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00

02:53:23.000 I watched a video of this monkey attack this man and pull a giant chunk out of his head. 1.00

02:53:29.000 The guy pulled the man's skin back and scalped him like a giant strip. 0.55

02:53:35.000 A large strip of meat and hair from off his head.

02:53:38.000 The monkey just, for no reason, just bit him and pulled his hair back. 0.99

02:53:42.000 And then I started thinking, man, the monkeys are cunts. 0.98

02:53:44.000 I'm like, I wonder what eats monkeys. 0.98

02:53:46.000 And so then I go into this Komodo dragon rabbit hole of Komodo dragons swallowing things whole. 1.00

02:53:52.000 Holy fuck, dude. 0.99

02:53:53.000 Watch this. 1.00

02:53:54.000 I don't want to watch it, man.

02:53:57.000 Why'd you make him watch it?

02:53:58.000 So rude.

02:53:59.000 Was that his skull?

02:54:01.000 Yeah, that was his skull.

02:54:02.000 Yeah, it pulled his meat clean off.

02:54:04.000 And that exposed his skull.

02:54:06.000 Like, watch.

02:54:06.000 It keeps going.

02:54:07.000 You see the guy sitting there.

02:54:08.000 No!

02:54:09.000 No!

02:54:09.000 Bro, that's his skull.

02:54:11.000 And that's his scalp.

02:54:13.000 It looks like it got part of the skull.

02:54:16.000 No, that's just the inside of his skin.

02:54:18.000 How crazy is that?

02:54:19.000 Just when you thought your day couldn't get worse, a monkey rips your...

02:54:23.000 Well, you know, that monkey had decided it was standing on him.

02:54:26.000 It was doing whatever it wanted.

02:54:27.000 Then it just decided to pull a chunk out of its head.

02:54:29.000 They know we're weak.

02:54:30.000 They know we're just big.

02:54:32.000 But they don't have any fear of us.

02:54:33.000 Dude, when I was in India, I got chased by monkeys.

02:54:37.000 Oh, here's one.

02:54:38.000 Here's one.

02:54:39.000 Komodo dragon caught a monkey slipping.

02:54:41.000 They're horrible, dude.

02:54:43.000 That is, in my opinion, that's the scariest animal.

02:54:47.000 What is this?

02:54:48.000 We just took a left turn into hell.

02:54:50.000 But keep it rolling.

02:54:52.000 Don't shut that off.

02:54:53.000 Komodo dragons killing monkeys.

02:54:55.000 This was my yesterday.

02:54:57.000 Jesus, Joe!

02:54:58.000 You always do this to me, man.

02:54:59.000 But you need to know that this is a real thing that's happening right now.

02:55:02.000 I don't need to know this!

02:55:03.000 Everybody does.

02:55:04.000 Everybody does.

02:55:04.000 Because this is real life.

02:55:06.000 For sure.

02:55:06.000 This is life.

02:55:07.000 Like, there's life.

02:55:08.000 That's a shoe? 0.99

02:55:09.000 Someone's shoe?

02:55:10.000 That's someone they ate yesterday.

02:55:11.000 Look at... 1.00

02:55:12.000 Fuck that, man. 1.00

02:55:13.000 Imagine living in that world. 1.00

02:55:15.000 You know what?

02:55:16.000 There's a Coke bottle there, too.

02:55:18.000 You see that?

02:55:18.000 I'm gonna be...

02:55:23.000 Very pessimistic.

02:55:24.000 I think this is a zoo.

02:55:25.000 I think they set this up.

02:55:28.000 Well, great man.

02:55:31.000 Now I have that in my head.

02:55:32.000 That's rough. 1.00

02:55:33.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00

02:55:34.000 But that animal is this heartless killing machine that roams this one particular island. 1.00

02:55:43.000 And their drool is poisonous. 0.84

02:55:46.000 Yes.

02:55:47.000 The drool is botulism in it.

02:55:48.000 Yeah.

02:55:49.000 They're very dirty. 1.00

02:55:50.000 They're nasty. 1.00

02:55:51.000 Fucked up creatures. 1.00

02:55:52.000 Yeah, they have like venom. 0.99

02:55:53.000 They used to think that it was just...

02:55:55.000 What is it?

02:55:57.000 They used to think it was venom, and then they decided it was just the toxic bacteria?

02:56:02.000 Or is it a combination of both?

02:56:05.000 I feel like they think it's a combination of both, but it bites things and just follows them until they die.

02:56:11.000 Because it knows that it's nasty saliva would just rot them out. 1.00

02:56:16.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

02:56:17.000 It's dark, dude. 1.00

02:56:18.000 There's these videos of them. 1.00

02:56:20.000 They'll bite an animal, whether it's a water buffalo, whatever the fuck they eat. 1.00

02:56:23.000 And they'll bite it and just follow it for a while. 1.00

02:56:26.000 Ugh.

02:56:27.000 And then eventually it just gets weaker and weaker.

02:56:30.000 Jesus Christ.

02:56:32.000 There's something about a lizard doing that, man.

02:56:34.000 It's like, I'd rather get eaten by a lion.

02:56:36.000 Because at least a lion has fur and it's a mammal and it's got to be terrifying.

02:56:39.000 But at least it's kind of one of my people.

02:56:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:56:42.000 Like a lion is closer to us than a Komodo dragon.

02:56:45.000 Also, I know you know if I'm wrong about this.

02:56:48.000 Isn't the lion's general methodology of killing?

02:56:52.000 You suffocate the thing, right?

02:56:54.000 You clamp down on its neck so it suffocates it. 0.89

02:56:57.000 Yes.

02:56:57.000 Versus these creatures where it seems like they'll just start anywhere.

02:57:01.000 They'll like start on your leg, move up to your...

02:57:03.000 Most of the time they go for the guts.

02:57:05.000 Oh! 0.60

02:57:06.000 God!

02:57:06.000 Because guts are easy and guts incapacitate, you know, an antelope or anything that they're killing.

02:57:12.000 Do you think that something kicks in when you're being eaten by an animal that puts you into a dream state?

02:57:24.000 You know what I mean?

02:57:25.000 Where you give up.

02:57:27.000 You're done. 1.00

02:57:29.000 If you're alive on the planet, Whatever your DNA is, it's been getting eaten by shit for a long time. 1.00

02:57:36.000 Like our ancestors, those little lemur things they say we came from, you know, or if it's monkeys or whatever. 0.98

02:57:42.000 In our DNA, built into the DNA must be something like, alright, here's what you do when there's no more hope and you're just being eaten alive.

02:57:50.000 I'm sure your brain floods with love and psychedelic chemicals. 0.98

02:57:56.000 You probably trip balls while that lion's eating you. 0.90

02:57:59.000 Yeah, suddenly you're like, oh, I'm part of everything now. 0.90

02:58:03.000 I was talking about that in one of my specials.

02:58:06.000 It was that there was this area of the Sundarbans where these fishermen got killed by a tiger.

02:58:13.000 But it wasn't just the fishermen got killed by a tiger, but the tiger killed them one at a time.

02:58:18.000 He swam out there, killed a guy, dragged him into the water, dropped his body off the shore, jumped back in the water.

02:58:24.000 Yeah.

02:58:24.000 And did it two more times.

02:58:26.000 Killed three out of four guys.

02:58:28.000 God.

02:58:29.000 And I was like, what does it feel like the moment a tiger locks eyes with you when it's climbing into the boat and you know it's a rabbit?

02:58:37.000 I bet it just burst into a kaleidoscope.

02:58:39.000 Yeah.

02:58:40.000 And your brain floods with psychedelic chemicals.

02:58:43.000 Yeah.

02:58:43.000 Or suddenly you just think you're human.

02:58:46.000 Fucked. 1.00

02:58:46.000 Living our lives. 1.00

02:58:48.000 We're just being eaten by a tiger right now.

02:58:50.000 You know, this is one of the things that I worry about.

02:58:55.000 How do we know that we weren't in some spaceship and we got absorbed into some kind of A predator, but the way it eats us is not the way a tiger eats you.

02:59:07.000 It eats you by, like, hypnotizing you and then dissolving you for infinity.

02:59:12.000 That's what we call reincarnation.

02:59:13.000 It's just like us, like, you know, slowly being devoured by an alien that is giving us the impression that we have memories or whatever.

02:59:24.000 Maybe he just wants to toy with us.

02:59:26.000 You know, cats like to play around with things they're killing.

02:59:29.000 They like to let it run away and then catch it.

02:59:32.000 If that happens here, how do we know that's not what we're in right now?

02:59:37.000 Like, we got caught by a very advanced, powerful, cosmic predator being that is keeping us locked into reality.

02:59:46.000 I mean, the demiurge, that's what they call it in Gnosticism.

02:59:49.000 Yeah.

02:59:51.000 That could be true.

02:59:53.000 Or it could be just all this chaos is to ensure that we pay attention and we try to improve things and we realize that no intelligent person is running this show.

03:00:06.000 It's impossible.

03:00:07.000 No one can do it.

03:00:08.000 And the people that do get a chance to run it, they all go corrupt.

03:00:11.000 Because they realize you can't fix it by yourself and you're all locked in with a culture of corruption and influence.

03:00:17.000 Even if it's legal, it's still, you know it's not right.

03:00:20.000 Right.

03:00:21.000 You know it's not right. 0.99

03:00:22.000 It's like they're doing some sneaky shit and that's all of them. 0.98

03:00:25.000 And so we don't have real leaders. 0.99

03:00:28.000 We don't have real... 0.99

03:00:29.000 It's hard to find out what the fuck the truth is. 0.97

03:00:31.000 Right. 0.96

03:00:32.000 And we're being bombarded with bots.

03:00:34.000 Right. 0.98

03:00:35.000 Bots, whether it's hired humans that are designed to make up things that separate us or whether it's actual artificial intelligence that's got MAGA flags and it's fucking Twitter bio and they're coming after people. 0.98

03:00:48.000 Right. 0.99

03:00:48.000 Like a horde. 0.99

03:00:49.000 This is the...

03:00:50.000 This is where... 0.78

03:00:52.000 In Buddhism intention becomes really important which is because of all this like because of the that everything you just described and my stupid idea of us being eaten by an alien or whatever Ultimately because reality is so incredibly confusing on one level.

03:01:07.000 Yeah, we need something Almost like a mnemonic device like a simple thing to revert to and all the confusion which is Seemingly the most obvious cliche thing to say, you can always be kinder.

03:01:22.000 Something like that. 0.84

03:01:23.000 In other words, in all the confusion, regardless of whether we're being eaten by an alien, a tiger, bots, an AI bot, or just various propaganda mechanisms trying to confuse us all, we need something to revert to that transcends all that shit. 0.98

03:01:37.000 Yes. 0.95

03:01:37.000 Which is, you can be kinder. 0.95

03:01:40.000 Just that basic intent, even if you fail at it every day when you're being selfish shithead or you're in a hurry or whatever it is, if you keep reverting to that intent, this is the... 0.99

03:01:52.000 Because no matter what, if there is nothing after this, if we are trapped in an alien, if we're in hell, if we're in a simulator, if we're in heaven, whatever the reality may be, I think no one at the other end of the tunnel is going to be like, you asshole. 0.99

03:02:07.000 You were trying to be kinder all the time when you were around people. 0.99

03:02:10.000 You were treating other people with respect and dignity, and you were trying to be kind even though you were in a lot of pain, you were scared and angry most of the time. 1.00

03:02:19.000 You were still trying, you dumb shit, because you were supposed to be mean in there. 1.00

03:02:24.000 That's how you went in there. 1.00

03:02:25.000 No one's going to say that.

03:02:26.000 No one.

03:02:27.000 No one.

03:02:28.000 No one.

03:02:28.000 So to me, that's a thing we can revert to.

03:02:32.000 You can always go back to that.

03:02:34.000 I heard the Dalai Lama say that.

03:02:35.000 That's not my thing.

03:02:35.000 It's a good thing to say.

03:02:36.000 It makes sense.

03:02:37.000 And it's simple.

03:02:38.000 It's simple and it's easy to remember.

03:02:40.000 Dude, we should wrap this up because you got a show.

03:02:42.000 You got two shows tonight. 1.00

03:02:43.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

03:02:43.000 And I got to pee again. 1.00

03:02:44.000 It's already 4.30.

03:02:45.000 I got to pee again. 1.00

03:02:45.000 Shit! 1.00

03:02:46.000 All right. 0.99

03:02:46.000 Thank you. 0.99

03:02:47.000 Hari Krishna.

03:02:48.000 Hari Krishna.

03:02:48.000 Come see me in Austin if you listen to this tomorrow.

03:02:50.000 Yeah.

03:02:51.000 Vulcan Gas Company, which is an awesome club on 6th Street.

03:02:55.000 And DuncanTrustle.com, Instagram.

03:02:58.000 Yeah, whatever.

03:02:59.000 All that stuff.

03:02:59.000 Yeah.

03:03:00.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:03:00.000 Love you, buddy.

03:03:01.000 Love you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 16, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1806 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript