The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #122 with Jake Shields

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00:00:12.000 So, do you know...

00:00:14.000 We just...

00:00:15.000 Everybody keeps...

00:00:16.000 Hello, Jake Shields.

00:00:18.000 How's it going, Joe?

00:00:18.000 Great to be on your show.

00:00:19.000 Great to have you.

00:00:20.000 For, like, what, 15 years? 0.99

00:00:21.000 Long fucking time, brother. 0.99

00:00:22.000 And then, uh... 0.99

00:00:23.000 Maybe more.

00:00:24.000 It might be, like, 20. Yeah, right, 20. I remember seeing your podcast, um...

00:00:27.000 When it first started, you were, like, a small little friend show for, like, potheads, fight people, comedians.

00:00:33.000 Well, I waited until it got real big to bring you on.

00:00:35.000 Yeah, so now...

00:00:36.000 Oh, no pressure now.

00:00:37.000 Yeah.

00:00:38.000 So we were talking about this...

00:00:40.000 What is it called?

00:00:41.000 This COVID documentary that I think is made by the Russians. 0.94

00:00:46.000 It's definitely true, by the way.

00:00:47.000 Watch the water.

00:00:48.000 Definitely true.

00:00:49.000 So what are they trying to say?

00:00:50.000 There's snake venom.

00:00:52.000 All right.

00:00:52.000 Well, the...

00:00:56.000 I don't know.

00:00:57.000 I've just heard this one, by the way.

00:00:59.000 Joe just broke this one to me.

00:01:00.000 Yeah, someone was saying that it was the mark of the beast.

00:01:04.000 Let me read you the byline, and you tell me what you think we're going to watch.

00:01:08.000 The plandemic continues, but its origins are still a nefarious mystery.

00:01:13.000 How did the world get sick?

00:01:15.000 How did COVID really spread?

00:01:17.000 How did the satanic elite tell the world about this bioweapon ahead of time? 0.99

00:01:23.000 Watch.

00:01:25.000 This doctor has unveiled a shocking connection between this pandemic and the eternal battle of good and evil which began in the Garden of Eden.

00:01:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:01:35.000 So that's what it is.

00:01:36.000 They were saying that the snake venom...

00:01:38.000 So there's a picture of a snake.

00:01:41.000 Oh, boy.

00:01:42.000 So they're saying it's the mark of the beast.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, because the snake represents Satan, so literally Satan blood.

00:01:49.000 The crazy thing is they've banned this from YouTube.

00:01:52.000 Really?

00:01:52.000 Yeah.

00:01:53.000 At what point in time?

00:01:55.000 Come on.

00:01:55.000 What about fun?

00:01:57.000 Yeah, we should be able to watch things about snake blood and the devil's beast.

00:02:01.000 I want to watch it now. 0.92

00:02:02.000 I mean, even if it's ridiculous, come on.

00:02:05.000 What about fun?

00:02:05.000 Because I think when you pull things like this down from YouTube, it just makes the really nutty people think that there's an even grander conspiracy.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, no, trying to fight it makes it seem like there might really be something there.

00:02:18.000 Like, it doesn't need to be taken down. 0.91

00:02:20.000 Especially this is just so ridiculous. 0.94

00:02:21.000 It's like, come on. 0.98

00:02:22.000 But the thing is, when you start saying Satan, people start getting real curious.

00:02:26.000 Like, maybe, man.

00:02:27.000 Maybe.

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 Might be Satan.

00:02:30.000 Satan, what is it?

00:02:31.000 Kaiser So says?

00:02:32.000 Phrase?

00:02:33.000 The biggest trick the devil played?

00:02:36.000 Just outside of this, if you tried to make one of those infomercials from the 90s and say you had some fake product that could cure this, and you made a 45-minute version of that and put it on YouTube, would they allow that?

00:02:48.000 As long as it's not about COVID. The thing is, like, they've cracked down so hard on anything that Is against the COVID narrative.

00:03:00.000 That's what's going on.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy how they'll ban even stuff that's true.

00:03:04.000 I mean, stuff like this is obviously probably not true, but things that we now know for a fact are true.

00:03:09.000 Guys like Alex Bernstein, you've had him on your show.

00:03:12.000 Yeah.

00:03:12.000 He got banned for putting stuff that was true just ahead of the curve.

00:03:15.000 100% true.

00:03:16.000 Ahead of the curve.

00:03:17.000 If you put it out now, there wouldn't even be a debate about it.

00:03:20.000 All the things that he said about masks not working, about how people that are vaccinated can still spread it.

00:03:27.000 The problem is that 75% of all television advertising, 75% of it, is from pharmaceutical companies.

00:03:36.000 Yep.

00:03:36.000 And you know who owns Twitter?

00:03:38.000 Pharmaceutical companies and Vanguard and BlackRock.

00:03:41.000 Well, also like the Saudi family, right?

00:03:44.000 Isn't that like one of the royal families?

00:03:45.000 Because they were tweeting with Elon when Elon was trying to buy it.

00:03:48.000 You see Elon's response?

00:03:49.000 It was like, oh, hey, so what's Saudi's something like opinion on free speech? 0.77

00:03:54.000 I'm pretty sure that was a jab at the journalist they chopped up alive in Turkey.

00:03:58.000 Yeah, Jamal Khashoggi.

00:04:00.000 Yeah, I mean, that's how I thought of it, at least.

00:04:03.000 Did you ever see that documentary, The Dissident?

00:04:05.000 No, I didn't.

00:04:06.000 Dude, it's dark.

00:04:08.000 It's Brian Fogel, and he's a brilliant documentary guy who also made Icarus.

00:04:15.000 Did you see that?

00:04:16.000 That's the one on the Russians cheating in the Olympics.

00:04:17.000 I heard of it.

00:04:18.000 I know I need to watch it, but I have not seen that.

00:04:20.000 I hear that's really good.

00:04:21.000 It's amazing.

00:04:22.000 It's amazing because it shows how the Russian doping program, how deep it goes.

00:04:29.000 It goes...

00:04:31.000 There's a lot of strong Russians I've trained with.

00:04:33.000 Not saying they're dopey, just gotta be clear about that, but these guys are strong.

00:04:37.000 Jake, you started MMA and competition jiu-jitsu in the days where rampant steroid use.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, everywhere.

00:04:46.000 I mean, it was everywhere.

00:04:47.000 Like, in the early days of fighting, like, when you were first, like, what year was your first MMA fight?

00:04:52.000 I think 99. 99. Yeah.

00:04:55.000 Surprisingly, we were always in the teams that were always, like, not, like, huge anti, but we were just never doing it.

00:05:00.000 Right.

00:05:00.000 With Nick, Nate, Gil, all those guys.

00:05:02.000 Right.

00:05:03.000 Those are some of the few guys that didn't.

00:05:05.000 You know, like in the sport, it's true.

00:05:07.000 Most people are doing it.

00:05:08.000 It made it hard not to, because you know everyone's doing it, cycling off, and it made it so hard.

00:05:12.000 There's definitely less now, but to me, I think there's still some out there.

00:05:15.000 You see some of these guys just looking so jacked, such good shape.

00:05:18.000 I have no idea what they're doing to beat the test, but it seems like some guys are.

00:05:22.000 Well, I mean, obviously there's some genetic freaks, but I think there's also some things that you can get away with.

00:05:28.000 I think micro-dosing testosterone you could probably get away with.

00:05:32.000 There's probably a bunch of different peptides that are still legal that are effective.

00:05:37.000 Well, yeah.

00:05:38.000 Genetics, but then you'll see a team that has like 10 guys that are all jacked.

00:05:41.000 It's like, hmm.

00:05:41.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.000 Not going to say any teams.

00:05:44.000 Well, what's crazy is when USADA came along, how many people melted.

00:05:47.000 Mm-hmm.

00:05:48.000 No, exactly, because they melted, but you look at them now, and now they're blown back up.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, they figured it out.

00:05:53.000 They've worked out the cycles.

00:05:54.000 That's kind of what I think, but I have no inside information, so I'm just speculating. 0.98

00:05:58.000 Well, the amount of money that's in MMA now is so substantial, and a lot of these teams are backed by, like, really wealthy people, and they bring in fucking chemists. 0.92

00:06:09.000 Yup, that can stay ahead of the curb. 0.77

00:06:11.000 That's what I assume is going on, but again, I have just no idea and I would never accuse anyone of juicing without knowing.

00:06:17.000 That's a messed up thing to do. 0.98

00:06:18.000 Have you fucked around with anything? 0.97

00:06:19.000 Have you tried anything? 0.99

00:06:20.000 Not really.

00:06:21.000 Not really is a weird word.

00:06:23.000 Well, diuretics.

00:06:25.000 I'm getting older now, so I think it might be about time to not competing.

00:06:28.000 Are you done competing totally?

00:06:30.000 I'd still compete jujitsu, but most likely fighting.

00:06:32.000 I mean, if someone offers me a shitload of money for another named guy, I'll do it.

00:06:36.000 But I'm not going to fight like some 25-0 Russian that no one's ever heard of if they're trying to build up off of me. 0.93

00:06:42.000 Right.

00:06:42.000 When was the last time you fought?

00:06:43.000 How many years ago?

00:06:44.000 Like three years ago.

00:06:45.000 Three years ago.

00:06:46.000 Retirement was a- Was that PFL? Yeah.

00:06:48.000 Lost in the last fight.

00:06:50.000 How was that competing over there?

00:06:52.000 I mean, it's good.

00:06:53.000 They pay good, but they just don't have the same kind of promo and attention.

00:06:57.000 It's just, you know, some of these shows pay better than the UFC for most people, but they don't build the hype.

00:07:01.000 So it sucks with fighters sometimes they're looking at, you know, Do I take a pay cut and go in the UFC and get less famous?

00:07:07.000 I mean, I had to take a pay cut after I left Strikeforce, but I wanted to fight GSP. So it's like, I wouldn't have been happy with myself if I haven't got it.

00:07:14.000 So it sucks to be in a situation to have to take a pay cut, but that's how it goes sometimes.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 There's a lot of these companies that have to pay a lot of money to get good talent.

00:07:24.000 But it's still, it's like, Bellator's the only one that's getting real attention.

00:07:28.000 But they're not still getting anywhere near the attention of the UFC, not even close.

00:07:31.000 No.

00:07:31.000 Like, I have this guy, I'm going to corner next week, Patchy Mix.

00:07:35.000 Absolute savage, you know?

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:37.000 He's a 15-0, it's an amateur all-submissions, like 15-1 is a pro, like 13-14 submissions, and like, no one really knows who he is.

00:07:43.000 And he's fighting, he's been in a million dollar tournament, so he's getting paid well, but it just sucks that he's not getting the, for how good he is, he's not getting the recognition he deserves.

00:07:51.000 So how does that work?

00:07:52.000 He gets a million bucks if he wins the tournament?

00:07:54.000 Yeah, I think he...

00:07:55.000 And he gets paid on top of it, too, his salary, I believe.

00:07:58.000 Oh, really?

00:07:58.000 So I think it's a million-plus, you know, whatever he is for his fights.

00:08:00.000 Did you see Corey Anderson versus Nemkov this past weekend?

00:08:03.000 I missed that.

00:08:04.000 Oh, my God.

00:08:05.000 It was such a bummer.

00:08:07.000 Because, first of all, Nemkov is a beast, but Corey Anderson was working him.

00:08:11.000 Corey Anderson was way ahead in the fight.

00:08:13.000 He was dominating him on the ground.

00:08:15.000 He was taking him down.

00:08:16.000 He was doing fantastic in the stand-up.

00:08:19.000 And then during the ground and pound, he slipped...

00:08:23.000 Like, trying to throw an elbow, I believe, or maybe a punch, and they collided heads.

00:08:28.000 Nemkov got a giant gash, and they stopped the fight and made it a no contest.

00:08:31.000 So this is the million-dollar fight.

00:08:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:08:34.000 Oh, that was the final one?

00:08:36.000 Yeah, that's it, because Nemkov's the champion.

00:08:38.000 So are they going to fight again?

00:08:39.000 Yes, they have to fight again, but now Nemkov has...

00:08:41.000 Two fights for a million dollars.

00:08:42.000 Here, watch this again.

00:08:44.000 So, just go a little bit before this so you can see, like...

00:08:48.000 I'm just trying to find the slow-mo, or here you go.

00:08:50.000 Yeah, so he was going to throw an elbow, and he got blocked and, you know, deflected and clashed heads.

00:08:56.000 And props to Corey.

00:08:58.000 He immediately said, I hit him with my head.

00:09:00.000 See, look.

00:09:01.000 See, it was just like his arms slipped off, and they collided heads.

00:09:05.000 I wouldn't have said anything if I was Corey.

00:09:07.000 Well, Corey's a good man.

00:09:09.000 Not that you're not.

00:09:10.000 But, you know, he just...

00:09:11.000 But I still wouldn't say anything.

00:09:11.000 He just wanted to be...

00:09:13.000 So, Nemcoff's a bad motherfucker, though. 1.00

00:09:14.000 He's a beast. 1.00

00:09:15.000 I mean, he knocked out Ryan Bader.

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:18.000 And Corey just was one of those things, man.

00:09:22.000 I mean, there's nothing you can do.

00:09:23.000 Yeah, man.

00:09:24.000 Bellator has some great fighters, but...

00:09:25.000 They're doing well.

00:09:26.000 They're doing well, but they never got the same kind of hype that Strikeforce had when I was talking about the thing.

00:09:30.000 Strikeforce was the show, other than Pride, that managed to get some real hype.

00:09:34.000 And Elite XC. Remember for a little bit?

00:09:36.000 Yeah, they kind of turned into that.

00:09:37.000 That's why I didn't mention Elite XC, because Strikeforce bought Elite XC and got their TV deals.

00:09:41.000 Wasn't Elite XC on CBS? Yep, they had CBS, and then Strikeforce got that deal.

00:09:46.000 So I was fighting on all those shows.

00:09:48.000 That was when I was able to get some hype outside the UFC. That was a good time period.

00:09:52.000 That was the, sometimes these things happen in MMA, when the brawl broke out between Mayhem and you guys?

00:09:57.000 Yeah, it was after I beat Henderson. 0.70

00:09:59.000 We went out there, and then Mayhem jumped over the cage, started talking crap, and we just... 0.97

00:10:03.000 Beat the hell out of him. 0.99

00:10:05.000 In his defense, he never complained about it, took his beating like a man. 1.00

00:10:08.000 He's crazy, but...

00:10:09.000 That was just when Gus Johnson said, sometimes these things happen in MMA. Everybody's like, what the fuck are you saying? 1.00

00:10:17.000 Yeah, that brawl was hilarious. 0.99

00:10:19.000 It was.

00:10:20.000 It was hilarious.

00:10:21.000 Those are the wild days of MMA. Yeah.

00:10:23.000 You know?

00:10:24.000 It's so funny, like, when you say you competed in 99, because that's like, God, man, you were on the early, early days.

00:10:32.000 That's six years after the birth of the UFC. Damn, is it that soon? 0.90

00:10:36.000 Yeah, you're right, 93. Holy crap. 1.00

00:10:38.000 Yeah, the sports, I've watched it just change so much. 0.97

00:10:41.000 You know, I've had fights with bare knuckles.

00:10:43.000 My first fight, I was actually in the crowd watching the fight, just there to watch.

00:10:47.000 And then someone didn't show up and was like, does anyone want to fight? 0.99

00:10:49.000 And my dumb ass is like, yeah, me, me. 0.99

00:10:51.000 And they're sitting there, I'm going up there, I think they're taping my wrist. 1.00

00:10:53.000 And I'm sitting there back there being like, wait, what did I just do?

00:10:56.000 Is this a good idea?

00:10:58.000 How old are you? 1.00

00:10:59.000 I'm a moron. 1.00

00:11:00.000 Probably 20, so I was a moron. 0.99

00:11:03.000 How long had you been training? 0.99

00:11:05.000 I think like three, four weeks.

00:11:06.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:11:08.000 I thought I could beat everyone up.

00:11:09.000 I did win the fight.

00:11:10.000 Wow.

00:11:11.000 But I thought I was like unbeatable.

00:11:13.000 Did you have any striking training at all?

00:11:15.000 Oh, no. 0.82

00:11:16.000 I think I got the crap beat out of me by Chuck Liddell one time. 0.96

00:11:19.000 One time? 0.90

00:11:20.000 I wanted to spar him, because we know how Chuck looked, right? 0.99

00:11:23.000 But imagine if you'd never seen Chuck, he'd be like, this guy is ridiculous. 0.95

00:11:27.000 I'm going to mess this guy up. 0.99

00:11:28.000 Really?

00:11:29.000 Chuck?

00:11:30.000 I didn't really think I was going to mess him up, but I thought I would do well.

00:11:32.000 Then I got in there with him, and he just creamed me.

00:11:35.000 And this was when you were 20?

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 But he didn't try to knock me out with headshots, but he did with liver shots.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, it was not. 0.99

00:11:42.000 Dude, Chuck, in the early days, before Chuck was a champion, when, you know, people were ducking him, it was hard for him to get fights, like when he fought Babalu, like, Chuck was a fucking monster. 0.98

00:11:53.000 Damn, yeah, I was training with him that time period. 0.99

00:11:55.000 He's the guy that introduced me to fighting, and man, what a savage. 1.00

00:11:57.000 He was kill or be killed.

00:12:00.000 Like, these young kids that don't know, put some respect on that guy's name.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, dude, that guy's a legend.

00:12:05.000 I mean, I look up to Chuck, because he's the guy that got me into the sport, so I always look up to him as, like, a mentor and a big brother, you know?

00:12:10.000 Yeah, during the early days of MMA, I mean, he was the kill or P-killed guy. 0.99

00:12:17.000 He's the guy that motivated me to take it for a career because he started making a little money, and I'm like, a little money, probably like 30k a fight, but I was so broke, I was like, oh man, maybe I can make some money with this sport, and just went after it.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, that was such a crazy time, right?

00:12:34.000 Because, like, Chuck fought Pele in Vale Tudo in Brazil when they had nets under the bottom rope.

00:12:43.000 Remember?

00:12:43.000 So he couldn't slip out.

00:12:44.000 He got caught under the net.

00:12:45.000 It was Pele, right? 0.78

00:12:46.000 And Chuck was beating the crap out of him. 0.77

00:12:48.000 Bare knuckle.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, there it is.

00:12:49.000 Savage.

00:12:50.000 30-minute fight, I think?

00:12:52.000 Yeah, but look how they have the nets under the bottom rope. 1.00

00:12:54.000 That was just so insane.

00:12:55.000 So you couldn't scoot out.

00:12:57.000 Which, I kind of like that, actually.

00:12:58.000 Because in Japan, I'd be fighting guys, and they'd let the Japanese scoot out, but they wouldn't let us, the Americans, scoot out. 0.96

00:13:03.000 Oh, really?

00:13:04.000 Really?

00:13:05.000 They would stop you?

00:13:06.000 Yeah, they'd try to grab us, but then sometimes the other guys would take them down, they'd slide right out of the ring, and they'd restart you on the feet.

00:13:12.000 Look at this.

00:13:14.000 Wow.

00:13:16.000 That's Chuck Liddell in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

00:13:19.000 Yeah, that was like, what year was that?

00:13:20.000 Because I was early when I knew Chuck, and I remember I was just so pumped when he won that.

00:13:23.000 If I had it, let me guess.

00:13:25.000 I'm going to say 2001. I bet it's earlier.

00:13:31.000 I bet it's like 99. Could be, because it was early when I knew Chuck.

00:13:35.000 Does it say?

00:13:36.000 Groin shots were legal, headbutts were legal, kicks to the head of a ground on the ground were legal. 0.72

00:13:43.000 As anything goes.

00:13:45.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 Groin shots.

00:13:46.000 The fact that groin shots were legal is just fucking bonkers. 0.88

00:13:50.000 Yeah, even UFC 1, those weren't, were they? 0.97

00:13:52.000 Yes, they were.

00:13:53.000 Do you remember Keith Hackney and Joe Son?

00:13:57.000 Joe Son, Keith Hackney was on the ground and Joe Son was hanging on to him and Keith Hackney was punching him in the nuts over and over and over again.

00:14:06.000 That's right.

00:14:06.000 And then I remember Hoist Gracie grabbed Kimo's hair when he was trying to pull him down by his hair.

00:14:11.000 No.

00:14:12.000 The worst was Big Daddy Goodrich versus The Pedro.

00:14:16.000 Do you remember The Pedro?

00:14:18.000 Pedro, his own?

00:14:19.000 No, it was The Pedro.

00:14:21.000 It was a guy who fought Vale Tudo in Brazil. 0.99

00:14:24.000 And Big Daddy Goodrich reached into his shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed his balls with his hand. 1.00

00:14:33.000 That is a savage man. 1.00

00:14:36.000 Reached into his fucking shorts in the middle of a fight and grabbed his hog and crushed his nuts. 1.00

00:14:41.000 You say this is Big Daddy Goodridge? 1.00

00:14:43.000 I'm 99% positive.

00:14:44.000 I'm gonna remind myself never to get in a fight with Goodridge.

00:14:47.000 Well, he's most certainly done, but I'm 99% certain that that's who did it.

00:14:53.000 I don't know how I missed that one.

00:14:55.000 Who would it have been against?

00:14:56.000 The Pedro.

00:14:57.000 Against The Pedro.

00:14:58.000 There was a guy named The Pedro.

00:15:00.000 What year did you start watching fighting?

00:15:02.000 Like really early?

00:15:02.000 I found out about it in 94. It was after the first UFC. I'd just moved to LA, and I watched the second UFC. I got it from a video store, like a Hollywood video or some shit.

00:15:14.000 And I was like, oh my god, what is this? 0.76

00:15:17.000 And then I found out that this was a thing that they were doing on a regular basis.

00:15:24.000 So I saw it after it had already aired.

00:15:26.000 Maybe I'd heard about it.

00:15:28.000 Yeah, same with me.

00:15:29.000 I think around 95 or something, my dad read it some.

00:15:31.000 I bring it home, like, Oh my God, this is crazy.

00:15:34.000 Never thought I would do it, obviously. 0.99

00:15:35.000 I mean, these guys are nuts.

00:15:37.000 But then when I started fighting, my dad's like, you can't do this.

00:15:40.000 I'm like, Dad, you're the one that brought these videos home and introduced it to me.

00:15:45.000 Did you have any idea of doing something else?

00:15:47.000 Was there something else you wanted to do when you were young?

00:15:49.000 I had no clue what I wanted to do.

00:15:51.000 I was just a young kid getting in trouble.

00:15:54.000 I thought I'd maybe be a pro snowboarder.

00:15:55.000 Some of my friends were trying to do that, but I didn't really...

00:15:57.000 Have any ambition?

00:15:58.000 I was going to school, but no idea what I wanted to study, so I caught fighting and just completely fell in love and got addicted and just couldn't help going for it and trying it.

00:16:08.000 It's interesting because people have this idea of what kind of personality gets involved in fighting, but your personality is kind of the opposite.

00:16:19.000 You're very friendly, real quiet, mostly vegetarian.

00:16:24.000 Fully vegetarian.

00:16:25.000 Are you fully vegetarian?

00:16:26.000 Not vegan though, but yeah, vegetarian.

00:16:27.000 Do you eat eggs?

00:16:27.000 I do eat eggs.

00:16:28.000 The vegans, the no eggs.

00:16:29.000 Right.

00:16:30.000 But you do that mostly for ethical reasons, right?

00:16:34.000 Mostly for ethical reasons, yeah.

00:16:36.000 I grew up vegetarian, so it makes it a lot easier for me.

00:16:38.000 So I never had to cut it out.

00:16:40.000 I don't miss it.

00:16:40.000 So it just kind of...

00:16:42.000 The few times I've eaten it, I've felt like nasty and felt weird and actually physically sick too.

00:16:46.000 Meat?

00:16:47.000 Really?

00:16:48.000 Yeah, it makes my stomach bloat.

00:16:49.000 If I was to eat it, I would do like you go hunting or something because the idea of like these factory farms are just, I don't know, if you watch any of those videos, just disgusting.

00:16:57.000 That's why I became a hunter, because I watched those.

00:16:59.000 I had two choices in my mind.

00:17:01.000 I said I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to start hunting.

00:17:04.000 And so I started hunting.

00:17:06.000 Yeah, and a lot of my good friends have gotten into hunting, but it's kind of invited me, but I'm saying, I don't want to kill an animal still.

00:17:12.000 Maybe I'll go out with them just for the backpacking experience, though.

00:17:15.000 Yeah.

00:17:15.000 Well, it's a great backpacking experience for sure, but the thing about hunting is that they have to kill those animals.

00:17:22.000 There's so many of them.

00:17:23.000 They have to be hunted, especially deer. 1.00

00:17:27.000 When you're around here, around Texas, they're fucking everywhere, man. 1.00

00:17:30.000 I mean, when I drive home at night, when I'm getting close to my house, I have to drive slow because these fuckers are jumping out in front of the car all over the place. 0.99

00:17:38.000 Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of makes sense, but it's still, if I don't eat it to kill something, it would just feel wrong to me. 0.99

00:17:43.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 Well, the only reason why I would kill something and not eat it is if you have a dangerous situation.

00:17:50.000 Oh yeah, that's different.

00:17:52.000 If an animal's coming after me, then definitely.

00:17:53.000 Or you have predators on your property that are trying to kill your animals or stalk your dog or something like that.

00:17:59.000 Oh yeah, that's a totally different situation.

00:18:01.000 But most animals you can eat.

00:18:03.000 You can eat anything.

00:18:05.000 I ate a snake once because we killed that, so I figured I might as well eat it.

00:18:09.000 What was that like?

00:18:10.000 I don't know.

00:18:11.000 It tastes like chicken, I guess.

00:18:13.000 But you don't eat chicken.

00:18:14.000 So how would you even know that?

00:18:15.000 That's what everyone says.

00:18:16.000 When was the last time you actually had meat?

00:18:19.000 Probably like 10 years ago.

00:18:21.000 Wow.

00:18:21.000 Because this blows my stomach out.

00:18:23.000 I don't feel good.

00:18:23.000 That's interesting.

00:18:24.000 I guess it's probably your body's like so accustomed to just eating vegetables.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, I read there's like I think we build enzymes for the meat.

00:18:31.000 And I think I probably could build it within a couple days.

00:18:33.000 But I don't have it for never adjusting it.

00:18:36.000 So it would take me a little bit to readjust eating meat.

00:18:38.000 What is a standard meal for you?

00:18:40.000 What do you eat?

00:18:41.000 Everything.

00:18:42.000 Burritos, salads, lots of fruit.

00:18:44.000 Bean and cheese burritos?

00:18:45.000 Bean and cheese burritos, vegetables, rice, Thai food, Indian food, all kinds of stuff.

00:18:51.000 What do you get for your primary protein source?

00:18:54.000 What do you use?

00:18:55.000 A lot of beans.

00:18:56.000 I don't really consume that much protein.

00:18:58.000 I probably should consume more protein, but I feel like everyone always says I'm strong.

00:19:02.000 The train's with me.

00:19:03.000 No, you're very strong.

00:19:04.000 So it's like...

00:19:06.000 I think there's different bodies, man.

00:19:09.000 Some people are allergic to foods.

00:19:11.000 Other people eat them easily.

00:19:14.000 There's some sort of a biodiversity amongst human beings.

00:19:19.000 There's different people, man.

00:19:21.000 Some people can eat all plants, and some people get sick when they eat all plants.

00:19:25.000 Yeah, no, I'm really curious, too, if I ate meat, how my body would feel.

00:19:28.000 I thought about it at one point in my fighting career to give it a try for a while.

00:19:31.000 My strength trainer was trying to get me, too, but then I ate it a couple times, and I just felt so weird.

00:19:35.000 And just the fact that never eating it, when I would eat it flesh, it would just be hard for me to put down.

00:19:39.000 Really?

00:19:40.000 Just psychologically?

00:19:41.000 Mentally and physically, so it's both.

00:19:42.000 So psychologically, it's hard eating it, and then physically, I'll get sick afterwards, too, so it's like, oh, I can't do this.

00:19:46.000 If you were going to do it physically, I would tell you to eat a very small portion.

00:19:50.000 I would say like have like a four ounce piece of like, you know, some sort of free range buffalo or something like that.

00:19:56.000 That's kind of what I believe from looking at diet.

00:19:58.000 I think the best diet is maybe that with meat like once or twice a week small amounts.

00:20:02.000 That's what I always have friends being like, oh, I want to switch to vegan or vegetarian.

00:20:05.000 I'm like, hey, do it slow, you know?

00:20:07.000 Just cut your meat way back.

00:20:08.000 Eat it like twice a week.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, well, if that's the case with almost...

00:20:11.000 I mean, look, your body gets addicted to alcohol, which is crazy because it's terrible for you.

00:20:16.000 But if you just keep drinking alcohol all the time and then cut off all the alcohol, you'll die.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:20:22.000 People that try to quit and they just can't get out of bed.

00:20:24.000 They're sick.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:25.000 They're throwing up from not drinking.

00:20:26.000 It's so weird.

00:20:27.000 Well, that's how weird the body is.

00:20:29.000 The body gets so accustomed to consuming certain things.

00:20:32.000 Like, if you have... 0.98

00:20:33.000 A person who eats only one kind of food and then they radically change it, your body's probably like, what the fuck is going on?

00:20:41.000 Yeah, that's kind of how I watch my diet, how stuff makes me feel.

00:20:44.000 If I eat something and I don't feel good, I know I don't want to eat it.

00:20:47.000 Like, if I eat Krispy Kreme, I feel sick.

00:20:49.000 I'm like, you know what?

00:20:49.000 I don't think those are good for me.

00:20:51.000 Yeah, I feel sick, but while I'm eating it, I feel amazing.

00:20:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:54.000 While I'm chomping down, you get the chocolate cream-filled ones.

00:20:59.000 Those are my favorite.

00:21:00.000 Just melt in your mouth.

00:21:02.000 But as soon as I'm done, I'm so angry at myself. 1.00

00:21:04.000 And then I feel like shit for hours. 0.99

00:21:06.000 It's like the amount of time you feel like shit versus the amount of time you feel good. 0.99

00:21:09.000 Yeah, it's not worth it. 0.99

00:21:10.000 You get about 30 seconds of good.

00:21:13.000 But if you get donuts, you have to go to this place in Round Rock.

00:21:15.000 Unfortunately, I can't think the name.

00:21:17.000 Just put in donuts in Round Rock.

00:21:18.000 It'll pop out.

00:21:18.000 Probably the best donuts I've ever had.

00:21:20.000 Really?

00:21:21.000 It's worth thriving up there.

00:21:22.000 I'm not going.

00:21:24.000 Send Jamie.

00:21:24.000 Make Jamie do it.

00:21:25.000 Make him earn his pay.

00:21:26.000 Jamie has to research this snake venom stuff to make sure that Satan is not trying to play a trick on us.

00:21:31.000 I think Satan is.

00:21:32.000 You think so?

00:21:32.000 Yeah, so back to that.

00:21:33.000 Who do you think comes up with that?

00:21:34.000 You think someone being serious?

00:21:35.000 You think someone trolling?

00:21:36.000 I think there's a lot of variables.

00:21:38.000 It could be like Russians that are like coming up with some nonsense to try to make people fight online. 1.00

00:21:46.000 There's definitely a lot of these things that are trolls.

00:21:49.000 There's a lot of these things that are created in whether it's Reddit or all these other places.

00:21:55.000 Like the OKN signal?

00:21:57.000 Wait, I might get banned for doing that?

00:21:58.000 No, the okay one was, that's a weird one, right? 0.61

00:22:01.000 Because it used to be, there's some sort of game that some dorks play.

00:22:05.000 Oh yeah, it's the smack game. 0.97

00:22:07.000 Where you smack a guy in the nuts if your fingers point in a certain way. 0.94

00:22:12.000 Yeah, I bet if you don't hit me before, I'd just smack him back. 0.84

00:22:14.000 I don't understand that game.

00:22:15.000 I didn't know about that game until Tim Pool told me about it.

00:22:18.000 Did you know?

00:22:19.000 What?

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 What is it?

00:22:21.000 How's it work?

00:22:22.000 Got you.

00:22:22.000 Made you look.

00:22:23.000 If you look, like, below the leg, if you hold it here and you look, then I get to punch you. 0.99

00:22:26.000 I'm going to try to get you later. 0.99

00:22:28.000 What?

00:22:28.000 Made you look.

00:22:29.000 But in the nuts?

00:22:30.000 No, no, no, no.

00:22:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:31.000 Well, it depends.

00:22:32.000 Really, it's just a punch in the arm, but it depends on what kind of friend you got.

00:22:35.000 But it's also a white power thing.

00:22:38.000 No, that's not real.

00:22:39.000 That's where it became the 4chan troll stuff.

00:22:41.000 4chan made that up to see how ridiculous they could push things. 0.54

00:22:44.000 They go, let's see if we can get people to believe the okay thing is a white pride thing, and then it bought on.

00:22:49.000 But then it caught on.

00:22:50.000 But then the white power people did start using it.

00:22:52.000 Because I remember there was this photo of these militia guys, and they had that thing.

00:22:58.000 They were holding their fingers that way.

00:22:59.000 People did do it.

00:23:01.000 Yeah.

00:23:01.000 I think it's pretty rare.

00:23:03.000 I saw one.

00:23:04.000 There was a Mexican guy.

00:23:05.000 He was driving through a Black Lives Matter protest, and he had his hands through his window just chilling there.

00:23:09.000 Oh.

00:23:10.000 And then it got spotted, and it went viral, and he got fired, lost his job, now he's like broke.

00:23:15.000 He's Mexican? 0.91

00:23:16.000 And he's Mexican.

00:23:16.000 He's like, how can I be white pride?

00:23:18.000 He's just like an older dude. 0.91

00:23:20.000 Maybe he had a booger. 1.00

00:23:22.000 I'm sure he doesn't have Twitter.

00:23:23.000 He's ready to flick it.

00:23:24.000 That is crazy!

00:23:26.000 They fired him for holding his finger like that?

00:23:28.000 Yup, and it was just sitting outside his car, he was just chilling, driving by, and someone photographed it and it went viral. 0.94

00:23:33.000 That is so ridiculous, as if he's signaling to people. 0.81

00:23:37.000 He's like an older, in his 40s, family, like nice guy. 0.99

00:23:40.000 Probably doesn't go online.

00:23:42.000 They fired him for that?

00:23:43.000 Yeah.

00:23:44.000 I can't remember what company it was. 1.00

00:23:45.000 God damn. 0.99

00:23:46.000 But yeah, he got fired. 0.99

00:23:47.000 And I saw an interview recently, and I think he lost all his money.

00:23:50.000 He was all bummed out.

00:23:51.000 And he's like, clearly I'm not a white supremacist.

00:23:53.000 I'm Mexican.

00:23:53.000 Oh my god.

00:23:54.000 That's so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:23:56.000 I remember there was a video of this lady who was eating outside of a restaurant. 1.00

00:24:02.000 I think it was in Washington, D.C. It might have been in Brooklyn.

00:24:06.000 I forget where it was.

00:24:07.000 But she was eating outside.

00:24:08.000 And all these Black Lives Matter people came by...

00:24:12.000 And they were telling her that she had to raise her fist in solidarity.

00:24:17.000 And she's like, I'm not doing that.

00:24:18.000 I've marched with you guys.

00:24:19.000 I'm not doing that.

00:24:20.000 I'm here eating.

00:24:21.000 And they're screaming and yelling at her.

00:24:23.000 And then some of the organizers were like, white people get in front and yell at her. 1.00

00:24:28.000 And white people yell at her. 1.00

00:24:29.000 I'm like, you forget the frenzy. 0.92

00:24:31.000 That was so mad.

00:24:32.000 What's funny is I just saw that yesterday.

00:24:33.000 Someone on your show, James Lindsay, posted that.

00:24:36.000 I saw it.

00:24:36.000 I'm like, what the...

00:24:38.000 We forget.

00:24:39.000 We forget how crazy it was.

00:24:40.000 What a frenzy like that whole post-George Floyd time was.

00:24:46.000 Because it was two things going on.

00:24:47.000 It was one, people realizing like there's so much police violence, it has to end.

00:24:52.000 And then there was also these white people that were clamoring to make sure that people don't think they're racist.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:24:59.000 I mean, everything was just so polarized.

00:25:01.000 It was crazy.

00:25:01.000 If you didn't jump online and agree with them, you were racist.

00:25:03.000 If you didn't post a black square, I think I got people mad at me that didn't post a black square. 0.98

00:25:10.000 Calling, Jake didn't post a black square. 0.79

00:25:12.000 Yeah, I saw some people having a conversation about that.

00:25:15.000 They were like, hey, he didn't even post a black square. 1.00

00:25:17.000 I'm like, hey, fuck you. 1.00

00:25:19.000 You can't tell someone they have to post a goddamn black square. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Did you not post one either, Joe? 1.00

00:25:23.000 No.

00:25:23.000 I did not post a black square.

00:25:24.000 Racist. 1.00

00:25:25.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

00:25:26.000 Like, that black square's not gonna fix anything. 1.00

00:25:28.000 Like, and you making someone post a black square is just you exercising power over people. 0.82

00:25:34.000 Getting people to submit.

00:25:35.000 That's all it is. 0.99

00:25:35.000 You're not fixing shit. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.98

00:25:37.000 But I know a lot of people that posted it that didn't want to. 0.98

00:25:39.000 I talked to them like, oh, I felt pressure to post it.

00:25:42.000 I mean, it's their fault for not being stronger, but I hold that for a bunch of people, particularly girls.

00:25:45.000 A lot of times they feel the pressure.

00:25:47.000 I don't want to post this, but my friends are texting me and stuff like that.

00:25:50.000 Well, I know guys that felt that pressure too.

00:25:52.000 But it's just like, those are scary moments because people are accustomed to telling people what to do and getting people to comply.

00:26:00.000 And it becomes this like weird bully thing.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, we're really going through a weird time of that in the last couple years.

00:26:06.000 It was never like that when I grew up, but it's gotten pretty crazy the last five years.

00:26:10.000 Especially San Francisco where I was living.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 Well, you were diving into the waters of Twitter.

00:26:15.000 I was like, look at Jake go!

00:26:18.000 I never used it to recently, yeah. 0.99

00:26:19.000 Yeah, but it seemed like you had gotten to a point where you're like, fucking enough. 0.96

00:26:23.000 Is that accurate? 0.99

00:26:25.000 That's exactly what happened.

00:26:26.000 I think it was the COVID lockdowns were just so extreme in San Francisco, and then the Black Lives Matter riots came, and they were letting people just loot and rob people. 1.00

00:26:32.000 And I'm like, you know what? 0.98

00:26:33.000 I'm just gonna start fucking speaking my mind. 0.97

00:26:35.000 Probably lost about 20,000 followers in the first week tweeting. 0.97

00:26:38.000 Did you really?

00:26:39.000 Maybe like 10. Wow.

00:26:40.000 It took me a while, but I slowly, now I'm back above where I was.

00:26:43.000 Different audiences.

00:26:45.000 But now when I tweet about fighting, it gets like hardly any traction.

00:26:49.000 I'll tweet about politics and it goes crazy.

00:26:50.000 So let's have a different audience.

00:26:51.000 It's kind of hilarious.

00:26:52.000 That's so funny.

00:26:54.000 But if I like go like, so if I start, my audience I picked up, if I start talking crap on Trump or something, it'll get like no likes, no retweets.

00:27:03.000 Yeah, it's...

00:27:04.000 The San Francisco way of handling things might be the worst in the country. 0.50

00:27:08.000 Well, it's like the whole Pacific Northwest.

00:27:10.000 It's San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle. 1.00

00:27:13.000 They handled that shit worse than anybody. 1.00

00:27:16.000 It was just unreal. 1.00

00:27:17.000 You know, most of my...

00:27:18.000 Like, half my fringe, you know, middle-class people spent years working their ass off, probably more than half of minorities, to build businesses up and just got their businesses crushed. 0.94

00:27:27.000 Most of them went under.

00:27:28.000 You know, restaurants, clubs, gyms.

00:27:31.000 It's just...

00:27:32.000 They don't realize the damage is done to people, especially the middle class. 0.98

00:27:35.000 They didn't fucking care because their checks kept coming. 0.98

00:27:38.000 All those politicians, they... 0.99

00:27:40.000 And I have a friend and his brother works on the COVID board in California.

00:27:45.000 And they were talking about banning outdoor dining.

00:27:47.000 And he said, why would we ban outdoor dining?

00:27:51.000 There's no cases that can be attributed to outdoor dining.

00:27:54.000 This is not a factor.

00:27:55.000 And the woman he was talking to said, it's all about the optics. 0.99

00:27:59.000 Imagine, you're going to close a fucking restaurant that's been struggling for a year. 0.99

00:28:03.000 They finally get a little bit of money coming in. 0.99

00:28:06.000 They're finally rehiring waitstaff, rehiring bar staff.

00:28:10.000 Everybody's kind of getting back in work again.

00:28:13.000 Oh, we're going to shut down outdoor dining.

00:28:16.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't realize the devastation it did to people.

00:28:18.000 Maybe they have a tech job or they don't live in those towns.

00:28:22.000 It's a completely different job where they can stay home and get paid, but they don't realize you're completely killing people's businesses that have spent years, sometimes their lifetime, to build and just kill it over that.

00:28:30.000 Yeah, I think it's just the politicians.

00:28:32.000 I think they don't care because I think they get paid no matter what and they feel oddly disconnected from the people, you know?

00:28:40.000 Well, I think about $4 trillion went up to the top 1% during this, but I said about the same amount got lost from the middle class.

00:28:48.000 You mean $4 trillion?

00:28:50.000 Extra money got moved from the middle bottom to the top.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, I don't think about that too much, but that redistribution of wealth thing.

00:28:58.000 Dude, if you keep breathing in the microphone like that, I guarantee you people are going to complain.

00:29:01.000 Oh, sorry, I didn't realize how it was.

00:29:03.000 Thanks for letting me know.

00:29:04.000 I don't want to mess it up. 1.00

00:29:06.000 Because your nose is fucked, right? 0.99

00:29:08.000 We were talking about that before the podcast. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Yeah, I got the deviated septum, so I'm stuck like, I need to get this thing fixed.

00:29:13.000 I got mine fixed. 0.96

00:29:14.000 It was the best fucking thing I've ever done. 0.98

00:29:16.000 Because mine was broken my whole life. 0.99

00:29:17.000 I fell down a flight of stairs when I was like five years old and fucked my nose up. 0.66

00:29:21.000 But I could never breathe out of it. 0.99

00:29:22.000 It was always useless.

00:29:23.000 I probably broke it like a dozen times over my life.

00:29:26.000 Most fighters, like Justin Gaethje, you hear him talk, he talks like this.

00:29:30.000 It sounds like there's no nose.

00:29:34.000 His nose is completely stuffed up.

00:29:35.000 What was the recovery time on that? 0.99

00:29:37.000 Fucking nothing. 0.99

00:29:38.000 I was rolling in six weeks. 0.99

00:29:40.000 Yeah, I gotta get that.

00:29:41.000 I think I'm just so used to it, I don't realize, but not being able to breathe out of my nose.

00:29:44.000 Oh, it changes everything.

00:29:46.000 It's like, look at that.

00:29:48.000 Fresh air.

00:29:50.000 I would go to yoga class and they would say, breathe out of your nose.

00:29:52.000 I'm like, I can't.

00:29:53.000 I'll die. 0.60

00:29:54.000 Like, literally, I'll die. 0.97

00:29:56.000 It's like my friend gave me that thing for breathing out your nose.

00:29:58.000 I'm like, I can't use this.

00:29:59.000 I can't breathe out of my nose.

00:30:01.000 Yeah.

00:30:01.000 I mean, you could probably do it yourself.

00:30:03.000 You could probably stick some sticks in there and pry it open.

00:30:06.000 Really?

00:30:07.000 If you want to be gangster.

00:30:07.000 I'm going to do a home surgery now.

00:30:09.000 I remember I saw Josh Barnett fix someone's broken nose in a video.

00:30:12.000 There's a video of Josh Barnett.

00:30:13.000 The guy gets his nose broken in training.

00:30:14.000 And Josh Barnett, I think he stuck a pencil in there and popped his nose back into place.

00:30:19.000 Really?

00:30:20.000 I'm going to hit up Josh Barnett.

00:30:21.000 I have to get a number from you after we leave.

00:30:22.000 I think it's like right when it breaks though.

00:30:24.000 I don't think you could do it like with yours.

00:30:27.000 Okay, I guess I'll go to a doctor.

00:30:28.000 What is this?

00:30:29.000 Yeah, see this dude just got his nose broken.

00:30:32.000 Oh, it says Strikeforce Heavyweight.

00:30:34.000 So this is fairly old.

00:30:37.000 So Josh is manipulating this dude's nose.

00:30:40.000 It all came out and started pumping in the media that there's no...

00:30:45.000 What does it say?

00:30:46.000 I wanted to hear the thing.

00:30:48.000 I think he's just narrating over top of it.

00:30:51.000 But what is he saying, though?

00:30:52.000 It said, smokers are being hospitalized at rates higher than any other demographic.

00:30:58.000 This is not the same.

00:30:59.000 The truth is, that's not the same audio.

00:31:01.000 Looks like he's fixing it. 0.99

00:31:02.000 You got another fucking thing running. 0.99

00:31:03.000 I think I got that Rumble video going in the background. 1.00

00:31:05.000 Oh, that's exactly what it is. 0.99

00:31:06.000 You got that fucking Snake Venom video. 0.99

00:31:09.000 Play this, though. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Well, I don't know where it is.

00:31:11.000 You got the wrong one.

00:31:12.000 Well, hold on then.

00:31:13.000 Maybe I gotta find it.

00:31:14.000 I gotta find it.

00:31:14.000 You got three different browsers going on.

00:31:18.000 The Rumble video.

00:31:20.000 It is on this one.

00:31:21.000 That is definitely it.

00:31:22.000 But yeah, that's pretty savage.

00:31:25.000 I mean, it makes sense, though.

00:31:27.000 I mean, if you just broke it, you could kind of pop it back in place.

00:31:30.000 I hate going to the doctor.

00:31:31.000 I would do that.

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:32.000 Here it goes.

00:31:35.000 Now, here's the thing. 0.97

00:31:37.000 Try not to f*** with it. 0.95

00:31:40.000 What do you mean? 0.95

00:31:40.000 Well, because it's going to itch, it's going to swell, it's going to a lot of things. 0.95

00:31:45.000 And you're going to want to mess with it, and it's going to knock it out.

00:31:48.000 See, it's straight right now. 0.93

00:31:49.000 Try not to f*** with it.

00:31:50.000 Yeah, so he, in the beginning, he used a pencil or a pen, like a ballpoint pen. 0.95

00:31:56.000 But here's what's funny. 0.99

00:31:57.000 That shit ain't clean. 0.99

00:31:58.000 He didn't sterilize that pen. 1.00

00:32:00.000 Just relax.

00:32:01.000 Stuff that thing.

00:32:02.000 You ever had staph inside your nose?

00:32:04.000 Oh, that would be terrible.

00:32:05.000 Oh my god, you totally can't.

00:32:07.000 Staph is not good.

00:32:07.000 Have you had staph?

00:32:08.000 Yeah, I had it like twice.

00:32:09.000 It was terrible both times.

00:32:11.000 It's not fun.

00:32:12.000 Did you do the whole antibiotic course and everything?

00:32:16.000 Yeah, like in Thailand if my leg blew up so big I think I would like died if I hadn't gone in. 0.99

00:32:20.000 It was like yeah in the middle of the night I had like cold sweats and if I was making it through the night but you don't know how to like in Thailand it's not like you just call 911. How do you get antibiotics in Thailand? 0.55

00:32:29.000 I took a scooter to the hospital.

00:32:31.000 Wow.

00:32:32.000 It was actually great treatment.

00:32:33.000 It was clean, cheap.

00:32:34.000 They put me on an IV. The doctor knew.

00:32:36.000 I'm sure they had a lot of staff there.

00:32:38.000 He knew all about it.

00:32:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:39.000 I guarantee you they do, right?

00:32:40.000 I was so impressed with the medical in Thailand.

00:32:42.000 It was like $200.

00:32:43.000 Really?

00:32:44.000 In the U.S., it was like $5,000 and way worse treatment.

00:32:47.000 At least.

00:32:47.000 And it was terrible treatment.

00:32:48.000 Which, where are we at?

00:32:50.000 Phuket.

00:32:50.000 Oh, is it Tiger Muay Thai?

00:32:52.000 Tiger Muay Thai, yeah.

00:32:52.000 That's a great camp.

00:32:54.000 Yeah, and I've also been by Mike Swick.

00:32:56.000 I'm sure you know Mike Swick.

00:32:57.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:57.000 He lives there now, right?

00:32:59.000 What happened with him?

00:33:00.000 Why did he decide to move to Thailand?

00:33:02.000 I think he just went there and loved it and decided to stay there.

00:33:06.000 It's a pretty nice spot.

00:33:07.000 I mean, have you been out there?

00:33:08.000 I have been to Thailand, but I haven't been to Phuket.

00:33:10.000 I've been to Chiang Mai.

00:33:11.000 I went with my family on a vacation.

00:33:13.000 It was dope.

00:33:14.000 I love the people there.

00:33:15.000 They're so nice.

00:33:16.000 Everyone's so friendly.

00:33:18.000 It's a really beautiful culture.

00:33:20.000 I love spicy food.

00:33:22.000 I love Thai food.

00:33:24.000 Thai people are just so friendly.

00:33:25.000 I know, right?

00:33:27.000 Isn't it amazing that a culture that developed arguably the best stand-up striking style also is so friendly?

00:33:35.000 Oh yeah, and the Thai guys that you're sparring with are so nice.

00:33:38.000 They're just chill.

00:33:39.000 They love it when you're training with them.

00:33:40.000 Americans.

00:33:40.000 It's just like the nicest dudes.

00:33:43.000 They're so nice, and they're also really good at not beating people up.

00:33:47.000 One of the things about sparring, you have to be really careful.

00:33:51.000 Say if you're an amateur and you spar with a professional and you go to certain gyms, certain gyms, they'll hurt you.

00:33:58.000 Oh yeah, especially in boxing, they try to knock you out. 0.99

00:34:01.000 The Thai guys will play with you, unless you go hard on them, then they'll try to kick your ass, which obviously makes sense. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Yeah, if you go hard on them. 0.99

00:34:08.000 But I remember my first times in a boxing gym, they just tried to kill me.

00:34:12.000 Oh yeah.

00:34:13.000 Unless you're really good, you go in a boxing gym, they're going to go out there and literally try to knock you out.

00:34:16.000 That's what they just use people for.

00:34:17.000 But it's crazy how many wars are in boxing gyms.

00:34:20.000 I mean, there's so many videos of guys just flat out throwing 100% knocking people out.

00:34:25.000 And they'll put that video up on your Instagram.

00:34:27.000 And you're like, hey man, you shouldn't put that up. 1.00

00:34:29.000 You look like a fucking asshole here. 1.00

00:34:31.000 You shouldn't be sparring like this. 1.00

00:34:33.000 Yeah, and, you know, post and knocking someone else kind of messed up too, a little disrespectful.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, well, it's also, it's like, it's the culture of those gyms.

00:34:40.000 It's like, there's so much bravado, machismo, whereas Thais, they like touch each other. 1.00

00:34:46.000 Like, they spar so light.

00:34:48.000 It's really interesting because it's not like it fucks with their timing. 0.96

00:34:52.000 You know, it's like they fight so often that for them to spar and spar hard is ridiculous.

00:34:58.000 Yeah, I think that's why they spar so light, because they fight so often, so they spar super light, so it makes sense.

00:35:04.000 So if you don't fight all the time, you probably want to spar hard occasionally, but because they fight like every two weeks or something, they can go out there and just kind of touch each other when they spar.

00:35:12.000 Even though shin pads sometimes will spar and just be kicking you, but not hard.

00:35:16.000 Yeah.

00:35:17.000 No, it's kind of amazing, really.

00:35:19.000 It's amazing that they figured out that style.

00:35:22.000 Because that's the best way to get technical.

00:35:25.000 The best way to get technical is to not have real consequences to your mistakes.

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:30.000 So you don't flinch and you're not worried about the counters, you know?

00:35:33.000 Yeah, the guys I train, I try to have them spar hard once a week, medium, and then have one time where it's just kind of play sparring where they're touching, moving, so they don't have to worry about getting hit.

00:35:42.000 They can try all their new moves.

00:35:44.000 When a guy gets hurt in the gym, how much time do you tell him to take off?

00:35:48.000 It depends on how hurt.

00:35:49.000 Like a minor concussion, at least a week.

00:35:51.000 A bigger one longer.

00:35:53.000 Yeah, but even just a week.

00:35:56.000 Even for a minor concussion.

00:35:57.000 And then you're going to get hit in the head again.

00:35:58.000 It's probably not good. 0.86

00:36:01.000 Yeah, that's why I said at least a week.

00:36:02.000 I'd say maybe if it was like super minor, but then maybe go back to like drill sparring after that.

00:36:06.000 I wouldn't go back into heavy sparring.

00:36:07.000 Right.

00:36:08.000 But no, a hard concussion, a couple months.

00:36:09.000 Right.

00:36:10.000 I would say.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, at least.

00:36:11.000 And then it's like, how do you know if they're recovered?

00:36:14.000 Do you ask them?

00:36:15.000 It's like...

00:36:16.000 Yeah, I've seen a few people get really bad concussions that last for like years.

00:36:19.000 Have you ever seen that?

00:36:20.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:36:21.000 It's kind of scary.

00:36:22.000 Well, there's a lot of people that were never the same again after a brutal fight.

00:36:26.000 We all know guys that were in wars and were never the same again.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, it sucks when you see that.

00:36:32.000 I'm lucky going through 20 years fighting.

00:36:34.000 I feel like I mostly made it out okay.

00:36:37.000 Not 100%. 0.94

00:36:38.000 I might be a little bit retarded. 0.94

00:36:40.000 Can I say that word? 0.97

00:36:41.000 Yes, you just did.

00:36:42.000 What do you think was your hardest fight?

00:36:46.000 Where you took the most damage?

00:36:48.000 I've been in a lot of hard fights.

00:36:50.000 Henderson dropped me twice in the first round, just floored me. 0.89

00:36:53.000 He hit so fucking hard, too. 0.92

00:36:54.000 Yeah, my last fight was Ray Cooper a lot of damage, but I just mentally didn't really fill in that fight either. 0.98

00:36:59.000 At that point, I was like, I don't even know why I was fighting.

00:37:01.000 It was just kind of like...

00:37:02.000 You were on the way out.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, I just lost motivation, and that's after, like, when I got hit in that one, I didn't have any desire to, like, get back up.

00:37:09.000 On Henderson, you get dropped, it's like, I'm gonna get up, and I'm gonna win this fight, you know?

00:37:13.000 But when I realized I lost that desire, it's like, wait, why am I here doing this still?

00:37:18.000 Yeah, that's a dangerous thing for a fighter, right?

00:37:20.000 When you stop having that kind of enthusiasm that got you into fighting in the first place.

00:37:25.000 It's such an intense sport, you have to have 100% enthusiasm and motivation to do it, but the problem is a lot of times guys start making money later in their careers, and that's the same time they're losing motivation, but then they're finally making the good paydays, so it's tricky.

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:39.000 How did you find the PFL? Did you enjoy being over there?

00:37:43.000 Yeah, no, I did.

00:37:44.000 It's like, you know, like I said, they don't have the same hype as UFC, so that sucks, but they treated me good, you know, they pay well.

00:37:49.000 How are they affording to do what they're doing?

00:37:52.000 Good question, because it's a great show for the up-and-comers, because you can go and make a million dollars in, like, what, three, four fights?

00:37:58.000 Yeah.

00:37:59.000 But, you know, for the older guys, they get a lot better contracts, too, the guys that have been around.

00:38:03.000 So they're paying these people pretty well.

00:38:05.000 Some of the big names are going to pay pretty well on top of the, you know, million.

00:38:08.000 Yeah.

00:38:09.000 I mean, they have Kayla Harrison.

00:38:12.000 They have good fighters.

00:38:15.000 Anthony Pettis signed over there.

00:38:17.000 Roy McDonald.

00:38:19.000 Yeah.

00:38:20.000 They have good fighters.

00:38:22.000 Do they still do that weird thing where they have points and you get a certain amount of points for finishing and it moves you further ahead?

00:38:33.000 That's how they score the bracket, because they have two matches, and the point system is who you fight next.

00:38:40.000 It's a little weird, but... 0.99

00:38:41.000 Why fuck with that? 0.99

00:38:42.000 I don't understand. 1.00

00:38:43.000 I think it's pointless.

00:38:45.000 I try to explain it to somebody, and they were like, what?

00:38:48.000 I was like, yeah, I think you get points if you win in the first round, if it goes to a decision, if it's a split decision, maybe you get less points.

00:38:55.000 I don't know.

00:38:56.000 I think their reasoning is a takeout bias, and to be completely fair, but I agree with you.

00:39:00.000 I don't really like it.

00:39:00.000 I think it's just kind of weird.

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:02.000 When you're at that stage where you're not fighting anymore, and that's for someone who's fought since 99, that's a complicated stage in your life where you're sort of like...

00:39:14.000 You have to be all in to be a fighter, and then you realize at a certain point in time that you're not anymore.

00:39:19.000 How do you make that adjustment?

00:39:21.000 That is a good question, and that is extremely difficult, which I think is why a lot of athletes go on past they want to be fighting.

00:39:28.000 It becomes like your identity.

00:39:29.000 All I know is I get a fight, and then I... Train my ass off for like 10 weeks, fight, take a week off, party, back to the gym and try to schedule another fight.

00:39:39.000 It's like your identity.

00:39:39.000 And then you're like, oh, I got to step away.

00:39:41.000 And it's, um, the first year was kind of tough, but now I've, you know, started getting in the business world.

00:39:46.000 I've been fortunate to have, you know, good mentors around me.

00:39:48.000 Like, I don't know if you know Tarek, he's my trainer.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 He's a great guy.

00:39:52.000 He early on was pushing me into business.

00:39:54.000 I wasn't really listening, unfortunately, until later.

00:39:56.000 But then him and another guy started working with Derek Moneyberg.

00:40:00.000 He's an extremely rich dude.

00:40:02.000 He really has business figured out.

00:40:03.000 So I'm like, all right, learning from people that you got to put energy into something else so you enjoy it.

00:40:08.000 Right.

00:40:08.000 What kind of business are you doing?

00:40:11.000 Oh man, I'm doing all kinds of stuff.

00:40:12.000 I just launched my clothing company, American Jiu Jitsu, AmericanFight.com is a website.

00:40:19.000 I've been working with High Rollers.

00:40:20.000 Okay, the BJJ marijuana company?

00:40:22.000 Yeah, one of the owners there now.

00:40:24.000 Oh, you're one of the owners?

00:40:25.000 Yeah, so I think I'm getting them a deal on Fight Pass.

00:40:28.000 Have you ever done a competition high?

00:40:31.000 I did once at the High Rollers against Diego.

00:40:34.000 What is it like being barbecued?

00:40:36.000 Terrifying.

00:40:38.000 How often do you get high, first off?

00:40:40.000 Like, once every couple months.

00:40:42.000 Oh, really? 0.97

00:40:42.000 So for me, it was like, oh crap, I smoke too much. 0.97

00:40:44.000 Well, you're hanging out with the Diaz brothers, though. 0.96

00:40:46.000 Everybody would assume that you get high every day.

00:40:48.000 Oh yeah, everyone thinks I'm high all the time.

00:40:52.000 Nick, I think Nick smokes the most by far.

00:40:55.000 Does he?

00:40:55.000 Yeah, Nate, he smokes, but not like Nick.

00:40:58.000 Nick will just put it down.

00:41:00.000 He'll smoke you under the table. 0.83

00:41:01.000 I'm sure.

00:41:02.000 Dude, a lot of people smoke me under the table.

00:41:04.000 I've had people on this podcast that, like Mike Tyson the other day, he smoked me under the table.

00:41:08.000 Oh, you said Mike Tyson?

00:41:10.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 You have to watch that one.

00:41:10.000 Snoop Dogg, he smoked me under the table.

00:41:12.000 Wiz Khalifa, Action Bronson, he smoked me under the table.

00:41:17.000 Most people do.

00:41:18.000 Most real solid smokers.

00:41:20.000 I smoke a lot, but I don't smoke a lot for a person who smokes a lot.

00:41:23.000 Yeah, I'm a lightweight.

00:41:24.000 The best though, Nick Diaz and Snoop Dogg did an interview, and they're both just sitting there with their own blunts.

00:41:29.000 They didn't want to pass them.

00:41:30.000 I'm like, oh yeah, that's a totally Nick Diaz move.

00:41:32.000 Well, Snoop Dogg rolled and smoked two blunts of his own during the podcast.

00:41:38.000 Yeah, pretty impressive.

00:41:39.000 Animal.

00:41:39.000 Just puts him down.

00:41:40.000 Puts it down.

00:41:42.000 He's high all the time, though.

00:41:43.000 Did you see the video of him preparing for the Super Bowl?

00:41:45.000 He's in that little Super Bowl set, and he's smoking while he's getting ready to go perform during the Super Bowl halftime.

00:41:52.000 Snoop is smoking.

00:41:53.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:41:55.000 Me, I couldn't do it.

00:41:56.000 Savage.

00:41:57.000 Just super human tolerance for marijuana. 1.00

00:42:00.000 But he could just exist high as fuck and be cool, cool as a cucumber, like all day. 0.99

00:42:06.000 You see, there was a press conference from Nate's last fight. 0.99

00:42:08.000 The press conference was getting super boring, so he just lit up, started smoking mid-conference.

00:42:13.000 You can do that now, you know?

00:42:15.000 He can, at least.

00:42:16.000 Yeah.

00:42:16.000 Well, back in the day, you know, marijuana was a real problem, because guys would be like six weeks out, and they would be their last smoke, and then they would still test positive, you know?

00:42:27.000 Especially when you're cutting a lot of weight, and you're, you know, deleting all that fat from your body, and for whatever reason, a lot of guys were testing positive that were like...

00:42:38.000 And so people were trying like seven, eight, nine, ten weeks out.

00:42:42.000 And guys get real irritable.

00:42:44.000 It just doesn't help your fighting.

00:42:46.000 I don't think, like, smoking six weeks out or five weeks out, I think if you were high while you're fighting, then you're making an argument that it might be helping.

00:42:55.000 Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't think it's ever been banned, but I don't think it helped me when I was high.

00:42:59.000 I think what Nick Diaz may have fought high during what was the Gomi fight.

00:43:03.000 He did!

00:43:04.000 They tried to give him a lifetime ban for weed.

00:43:09.000 Well, the craziest one is when he fought Anderson.

00:43:12.000 Because Anderson tested positive for steroids.

00:43:14.000 They banned Anderson for a short amount of time.

00:43:17.000 Nick tested positive for a tiny amount of marijuana.

00:43:20.000 Tiny amount. 0.99

00:43:21.000 And they banned him for fucking two years. 0.98

00:43:23.000 Yeah, I think it was five years. 0.99

00:43:24.000 Maybe they got reduced.

00:43:25.000 They gave him five years, then he fought it and reduced it to two.

00:43:28.000 Yeah.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, and I was at that hearing with him in Nevada.

00:43:31.000 It was this girl who wanted to ban him for life, and it turned out she was from Stockton.

00:43:34.000 So it had to be some kind of resentment of, like, he's from the same town but bigger than her.

00:43:38.000 You could just tell.

00:43:39.000 You think that's what it was?

00:43:40.000 That he was bigger than her?

00:43:41.000 She just seemed, like, resentful because he was from Stockton and famous and, like...

00:43:45.000 She wanted to be big.

00:43:47.000 I don't know if it's that, but I think there's definitely a power issue with those folks, with people that have.

00:43:53.000 It's like some people just don't make good judges.

00:43:57.000 They're not good at an athletic commission.

00:43:59.000 Some people just should not have the kind of power that they have.

00:44:03.000 100% agree.

00:44:04.000 The judge is a good one.

00:44:05.000 Some of these guys, they know nothing about fighting.

00:44:07.000 Why would you be a judge, something you don't know about?

00:44:09.000 Yeah, I meant judges in terms of legal judges, but yeah, judges for fighting, too.

00:44:14.000 Yeah, that's a sore spot, the judges for fighting.

00:44:19.000 God, there's good ones.

00:44:21.000 There's definitely good ones, but my God, there's some bad ones out there, too.

00:44:24.000 Did you see the AJ McKee pit bull fight this past weekend?

00:44:28.000 Yeah, I missed that whole card, unfortunately.

00:44:30.000 Yeah, I watched highlights of it. 0.98

00:44:31.000 I'm going to have to go back and watch the whole fight and score it and see what people think because there's a lot of people that think that was a bullshit decision. 0.88

00:44:38.000 Yeah, I've heard it was all over the place.

00:44:40.000 I have some friends who are training with AJ, so he's obviously biased, but he said it was a close fight.

00:44:44.000 Well, I mean, it was close enough.

00:44:48.000 I mean, it was definitely close.

00:44:49.000 It was a five-round decision.

00:44:51.000 But, you know, he did score takedowns, but Pitbull did almost catch him in a submission.

00:44:57.000 Yeah, some of them are hard to judge, kind of like the Sterling one, Sterling on one.

00:45:01.000 That one basically comes down to who won that first round.

00:45:04.000 It does, but doesn't... 0.94

00:45:06.000 Listen, when Sterling takes your back and has your back for the entire fucking round and comes really close to getting chokes in and is punching you the entire round, complete back control, when is that a 10-8? 0.97

00:45:18.000 I want to know when that's a 10-8. 0.99

00:45:20.000 Oh, yeah, it's tough.

00:45:21.000 There's no clear judging criteria.

00:45:23.000 Because I watched him take his back, and first of all, I was stunned at how strong his back control is.

00:45:30.000 I always knew it was good.

00:45:31.000 I mean, it was amazing against Sanhagen when he took Sanhagen's back and strangled him.

00:45:35.000 But Jan, no one has ever controlled Jan on the ground like that before.

00:45:40.000 No one.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, if you're a good body triangle rider and you lock it, it's so hard to get out of.

00:45:45.000 He's so good.

00:45:46.000 Jan didn't really know how to work to unlock that body triangle. 0.97

00:45:49.000 I was so impressed with Al Jermaine.

00:45:51.000 I was so impressed with his back taking and his back control because I know how good Jan is on the ground. 1.00

00:45:57.000 He's a fucking beast, man. 0.99

00:45:59.000 No one's been able to control him on the ground. 1.00

00:46:00.000 The fact that Al Jermaine was able to get him to the ground repeatedly and take his back repeatedly, I was very impressed with that.

00:46:06.000 Yeah, Sterling's an amazing fighter.

00:46:08.000 I just think because the way the last one went, a lot of people don't really like him, but I have him.

00:46:11.000 He trains at Couture where I'm training people, so I have him spar the 35-pounders I train all the time, and he's definitely the real deal.

00:46:18.000 Oh, he's the real deal.

00:46:18.000 His jiu-jitsu is off the charts.

00:46:20.000 I think with a situation like that first fight, first of all, it was 100% an illegal blow, 100% he should be disqualified.

00:46:28.000 No if, ands, or buts. 0.99

00:46:30.000 That was a fucking knee, a hard knee to the face of a downed opponent, and he was fucked up from that. 0.99

00:46:36.000 That said, I don't think that's how you could win a title. 1.00

00:46:38.000 I think you should be able to lose a title that way.

00:46:41.000 I don't think you should be able to win a title that way.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, no, it made it weird.

00:46:44.000 I even like Sterling, friends with him, but it was one of those things, you watch it, you're like, oh, that's kind of a crappy way to win.

00:46:49.000 Well, win a fight?

00:46:51.000 Maybe.

00:46:52.000 Win a title?

00:46:53.000 No.

00:46:54.000 Like, win by disqualification?

00:46:56.000 Yes, because you get your win bonus?

00:46:57.000 Yeah.

00:46:57.000 Okay.

00:46:58.000 But win a world championship?

00:47:00.000 No, you have to win that.

00:47:01.000 You have to win that.

00:47:02.000 You have to beat a guy.

00:47:03.000 That's not beating a guy. 0.99

00:47:04.000 That's the guy fucking up and losing his title.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, because even though he's a friend of mine, I respect him, I didn't really look at him as the champ until he beat Jan. 0.86

00:47:12.000 Now you can say he's the champ.

00:47:13.000 He's the champ now.

00:47:14.000 At least in my eyes.

00:47:16.000 I think most people's eyes.

00:47:17.000 Listen, he, without a doubt, had the best performance ever against Jan.

00:47:21.000 And he opened up a lot of people's eyes, because a lot of people did not...

00:47:24.000 They looked at Jan as being complete. 0.98

00:47:26.000 His ground game's complete, his takedowns, his trips, his striking game is off the charts, and everybody was like, look, this guy's a fucking terror. 0.98

00:47:34.000 But Al Jermaine found the kryptonite. 0.97

00:47:36.000 I mean, look at his record.

00:47:37.000 He's fought some savages.

00:47:38.000 I can't remember exactly who.

00:47:39.000 I remember looking at it being like, oh, he's the real deal. 0.99

00:47:42.000 Oh, he fucked up a lot of people, man. 0.97

00:47:45.000 Like, if you look at what... 0.99

00:47:47.000 I mean, if you talk about Piotr Jan, look at how he knocked out Uriah, beat up Jose Aldo. 0.97

00:47:55.000 Like, he's beat the fuck out of some people. 1.00

00:47:57.000 He's a fucking bad man. 1.00

00:47:59.000 He's a dangerous dude. 1.00

00:48:01.000 Yeah, no, it's...

00:48:03.000 Ian and Sterling.

00:48:05.000 35 is an exciting weight. 1.00

00:48:07.000 Fuck yeah. 0.98

00:48:07.000 I just signed one of my 35-pounders to the UFC, Javid Basra. 0.98

00:48:11.000 You know him?

00:48:11.000 No, I don't.

00:48:12.000 He's, I think, 2-0 now.

00:48:14.000 He was the one that got called a terrorist at the, what show was that, like the Tinder series? 0.98

00:48:19.000 Some guy called him a terrorist at Wayne's, which was stupid, but it went viral. 0.99

00:48:23.000 Called him a terrorist? 1.00

00:48:23.000 Because he's Afghan. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Oh. 1.00

00:48:25.000 Completely stupid, but it made it go viral in the Middle East and everywhere, so got him a lot of attention. 1.00

00:48:29.000 Well, there you go. 1.00

00:48:30.000 And then he beat the crap out of the guy.

00:48:31.000 So you're coaching a lot of guys now?

00:48:33.000 No, just a small group.

00:48:35.000 I'm very selective who I train.

00:48:37.000 How do you decide?

00:48:39.000 Guys I like that train hard that I want to work with.

00:48:41.000 So you're in the gym, you're training, and you see guys, and do they come to you and ask you for help?

00:48:48.000 It's generally guys that ask me.

00:48:49.000 I help a lot of guys a tiny bit, but I wouldn't say I'm their trainer, you know?

00:48:52.000 Right, you just help them a little bit.

00:48:53.000 Like, I might go to Francis Ngannou and move, but I'm not his trainer.

00:48:55.000 There's guys like that, you know?

00:48:57.000 But there's, you know, five or six guys that I put a lot of energy into.

00:49:00.000 And when you put energy to them, do you have a contract with these guys?

00:49:03.000 I don't.

00:49:03.000 I'm just doing a word of mouth.

00:49:05.000 If they don't want me, they can get rid of me.

00:49:07.000 And do they pay you?

00:49:09.000 Do they give you a percentage?

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 It's not much.

00:49:11.000 It's small.

00:49:12.000 There's not a ton of money in training.

00:49:13.000 But luckily, that's not my primary method of making money.

00:49:17.000 I do it because I love it.

00:49:17.000 It keeps me involved in the sport.

00:49:19.000 I go out there.

00:49:20.000 When you're cornered, it almost feels like you fight.

00:49:22.000 Right.

00:49:22.000 The excitement level.

00:49:23.000 And you're just attached to these guys.

00:49:25.000 It's just like they become like your brothers.

00:49:26.000 When you bleed together, sweat together, it's like a brotherhood.

00:49:29.000 I mean, you know just from jiu-jitsu.

00:49:31.000 Imagine when you're out there actually fighting.

00:49:32.000 It's like take that and magnify it by 10. Yeah.

00:49:35.000 Well, that's what Gary Tonin said.

00:49:37.000 Gary Tonin, when he made the jump from just straight grappling to MMA, he was like the thrill of going out there and knowing that you're putting it all on the line and that you can get yourself knocked out.

00:49:49.000 You can get hurt and embarrassed.

00:49:51.000 People don't think about that.

00:49:52.000 Millions of people might be watching you.

00:49:54.000 If you want to get like knocked out, you know, covered in blood in front of all your friends, fans, it's a lot of stress going in there.

00:50:00.000 So after going back to grapple that, it's funny when you see people nervous at grappling shows, you're like, yeah, try fighting in front of 60,000 people in Toronto.

00:50:07.000 That's right.

00:50:08.000 Yeah, you fought.

00:50:09.000 You commentated that one, right?

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:10.000 That was wild.

00:50:11.000 It was wild being there, because I remember it was a giant, it was the Rogers Center, right?

00:50:16.000 Yeah, the Rogers Center.

00:50:17.000 In Toronto.

00:50:17.000 And it was so big that there was a hotel inside of the arena, and so people in their hotel rooms were looking out their windows watching the fights.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:28.000 Being the main event of that was just wild.

00:50:30.000 Walking out, you look up, you're like, what the hell? 0.99

00:50:32.000 The fucking screens alone were so big. 0.99

00:50:35.000 And the roars of the fights, like when someone would score a knockdown or something like that. 0.99

00:50:43.000 Yeah, that was still the wildest moment of my career.

00:50:45.000 That was nuts.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, that was nuts. 0.96

00:50:49.000 Do certain fights stand out when you think about your career where you're like, I can't fucking believe that fight? 0.83

00:50:57.000 A little bit.

00:50:58.000 I mean, I had a lot of big, like, I looked through my record and I'm like, holy crap, I fought the who's who of MMA, you know?

00:51:03.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 Looking back, like, remember the Rumble and the Rock tournament?

00:51:05.000 I beat, like, what?

00:51:07.000 It was three, uh...

00:51:08.000 I thought, was it Yushin Okami and Carlos Condit in the same night?

00:51:11.000 Like two just complete savages and won both of those.

00:51:14.000 I was just wrecked after.

00:51:15.000 My friends were like, yeah, we're going to go rage.

00:51:17.000 I'm just like, oh man, I want to go home.

00:51:19.000 But all right, I guess I'll- Did you go out?

00:51:21.000 Oh, of course.

00:51:21.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:51:23.000 But like cuts all over my head, body sore, shin swollen up.

00:51:27.000 You submitted Henderson in his prime.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, I didn't submit him, but I dominated that fight.

00:51:32.000 Oh, that's right.

00:51:32.000 That's right.

00:51:33.000 You didn't submit him.

00:51:33.000 Who submitted Henderson?

00:51:35.000 Did somebody catch Henderson?

00:51:37.000 I don't- I don't know what I can think of What am I thinking of?

00:51:41.000 Yeah, he's a hard guy to submit.

00:51:43.000 Am I thinking of Robbie Lawler?

00:51:44.000 Did you submit Robbie Lawler?

00:51:45.000 I submitted Robbie Lawler, yes.

00:51:46.000 That was your thinking of.

00:51:47.000 That was in Strikeforce.

00:51:48.000 Yeah, that one was awesome, too.

00:51:49.000 That was awesome. 0.98

00:51:50.000 Yeah, man, you really did fight the fucking who's who. 0.98

00:51:53.000 Yeah, I did not have a padded record. 0.98

00:51:56.000 I wish I had a coach or manager guide me, like, maybe we should take some easier fights. 0.59

00:52:00.000 You beat Tyron Woodley by decision.

00:52:02.000 You fought George St. Pierre for the title in one of the biggest crowds of all time.

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:08.000 Damien Maia.

00:52:08.000 That's right.

00:52:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:10.000 Damn, dude. 1.00

00:52:12.000 You had a wild-ass career. 1.00

00:52:14.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild.

00:52:15.000 I remember like, I don't know, six months ago, I went and looked through it, and I was looking for the guys that fought, and I'm like, holy crap, I didn't get like, I don't think I fought anyone, like the worst guy I fought would be like 16-3 or something.

00:52:24.000 No, you had wars, man. 0.99

00:52:25.000 You had fucking wars. 1.00

00:52:27.000 You really did. 1.00

00:52:28.000 You had a lot of wars.

00:52:29.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:32.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 Yeah, looking back, it's kind of wild.

00:52:34.000 I'm like, wait, I did this for 20 years.

00:52:35.000 I would go in the cage and try to beat the crap out of some of the best fighters in the world.

00:52:39.000 Does it seem strange now? 0.82

00:52:41.000 You're three years removed.

00:52:43.000 Does it seem, looking back, like, what?

00:52:45.000 It seems a little wild because when you're doing it, it just seems so natural.

00:52:49.000 But it's still, I mean, part of me misses it, of course.

00:52:51.000 That's why I'm training guys.

00:52:52.000 Just the thrill of it.

00:52:53.000 Yeah, but that's what the training is.

00:52:55.000 When you're cornering a fighter, it's very close.

00:52:57.000 Not quite.

00:52:58.000 Nothing will match it, but it's like you get that same adrenaline because I come so close to these guys in training.

00:53:03.000 So you have your business with your clothing line.

00:53:06.000 Do you think you'll ever open up a gym?

00:53:08.000 I was thinking about it, but it's a lot of work to run a gym.

00:53:12.000 It's not a ton of money for having to sit around.

00:53:15.000 I would do it, but I would have to have a good partner and other people that help me teach because I enjoy teaching, but I'm not like John Donahue.

00:53:22.000 I want to teach five times a day.

00:53:23.000 Right.

00:53:24.000 He's a weird guy, right?

00:53:26.000 Right.

00:53:26.000 I mean weird in the best possible way.

00:53:29.000 100%.

00:53:29.000 I love John, but he's definitely an odd character.

00:53:32.000 He's so odd.

00:53:34.000 Good luck finding one of those.

00:53:35.000 I was talking to Gordon about that.

00:53:36.000 I was like, good luck finding another one of those.

00:53:39.000 You got a guy who is a philosophy professor from Columbia who falls in love with jiu-jitsu to the point where he lives in the gym, sleeps on the mats, trains all day, and...

00:53:51.000 He's not self-obsessed because he's injured like like he for people don't know John Donaher has like serious injuries like he had his hip replaced I think he's gonna have his knee replaced it's just not sure when yeah and a lot of that is from rugby before he ever did jujitsu yeah oh yeah I was training in New York when he had the hip replacement and the knee and he was just an absolute pain you could tell but he's a stoic guy he would you know limp in with a cane and He couldn't show the matches,

00:54:18.000 so he would, like, sit there and point with, like, a staff.

00:54:21.000 He would make, like, Gary show the moves.

00:54:23.000 And then there was a couple-month period, I think, where he was going through the pain where sometimes he would just go off on Gary.

00:54:27.000 I'm like, oh, poor Gary.

00:54:28.000 He's showing it wrong.

00:54:30.000 Wow.

00:54:30.000 But, man, yeah, he's a smart guy.

00:54:32.000 Oh, he's a genius.

00:54:33.000 It's just very rare to get someone of that intellectual, that high-level intellectual capacity that gets obsessed with jiu-jitsu and martial arts in general. 0.99

00:54:42.000 Like, when I found out that he was Gary Tonin's striking coach as well as his jiu-jitsu coach, I was like, holy fuck, that's insane. 0.95

00:54:49.000 Yeah, when I started talking to him about striking one day, I was in shock. 0.97

00:54:52.000 He was showing me different boxers and kickboxers and showing their offense, their defense.

00:54:56.000 You're like, wow, this guy is like an encyclopedia.

00:54:59.000 He knows everything.

00:55:00.000 He knew the same thing with wrestlers.

00:55:01.000 Yeah.

00:55:02.000 He'll name some Iranian wrestler and he'll know what he does.

00:55:05.000 It's like, wow, this is just insane.

00:55:06.000 Yeah, his knowledge base is spectacular.

00:55:09.000 And they say that's all he does.

00:55:11.000 Like, he'll teach all day, and then he'll go watch videos all night.

00:55:15.000 Yup, he would teach in between classes, he'd be watching videos, then back to a class.

00:55:19.000 I don't know how he does it.

00:55:20.000 I mean, what are the...

00:55:21.000 I mean, how many of those guys are out there?

00:55:23.000 There's no one out...

00:55:24.000 One.

00:55:24.000 I think it's just one, just him.

00:55:26.000 Right.

00:55:26.000 I mean, other than him, you've got, like, Faras Ahabi, who's also a brilliant guy, who's also fascinated with the sport and can give you a lot of feedback and can name a lot of different styles of striking in Jiu-Jitsu, but...

00:55:38.000 Yeah, I know.

00:55:39.000 I mean, there's a lot of brilliant guys out there, but there's no one like John that just completely, completely dedicates his life.

00:55:44.000 No family.

00:55:45.000 Just all he does is watch tape, train people.

00:55:47.000 How is that possible?

00:55:50.000 Yeah, it makes no sense.

00:55:51.000 His intelligence level, too.

00:55:52.000 Right.

00:55:52.000 Like, how is he not bored?

00:55:54.000 Yeah, that's what I'm like.

00:55:54.000 That's what I'm like.

00:55:55.000 Why are you teaching so many classes?

00:55:57.000 You think he would just do the pro team now?

00:55:58.000 He's rich now or making good money.

00:55:59.000 Right.

00:56:00.000 I mean, it has nothing to do with it.

00:56:02.000 He wears rash cards everywhere.

00:56:04.000 Yeah.

00:56:04.000 The guy, like, I mean, I don't even know if he has a car.

00:56:06.000 Does he have a car?

00:56:07.000 He finally bought one last time I was out here.

00:56:09.000 I was terrified of getting in the car with him because he had like three days.

00:56:12.000 But he drove really well.

00:56:14.000 I guess he's an intelligent guy.

00:56:14.000 I was impressed.

00:56:15.000 I'm like, you want me to drive, John?

00:56:17.000 What kind of car did he get?

00:56:18.000 He got, what was that, a Jeep?

00:56:21.000 I can't think of what it was.

00:56:22.000 A Jeep?

00:56:23.000 No, not a Jeep.

00:56:24.000 It's like, dang it, I have a brain freeze.

00:56:26.000 It's these...

00:56:28.000 It's like a semi-fancy car, but not super fancy.

00:56:30.000 Oh.

00:56:31.000 So he's just out here?

00:56:33.000 Yeah, probably a $50,000, $60,000 car.

00:56:35.000 I'm very happy he's out here.

00:56:36.000 I'm very happy he's out here.

00:56:38.000 It adds to Austin.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, so much.

00:56:41.000 I visit Austin a lot regardless, but now I have an excuse to come out and train with him and Gordon and Gary, just the best jiu-jitsu guys.

00:56:48.000 Were you training with them in Puerto Rico at all?

00:56:50.000 No, I never made it to Puerto Rico.

00:56:52.000 It was terrible out there.

00:56:54.000 Other than Gordon, he loved it, but everyone else thought it was terrible.

00:56:57.000 Why did they think it was terrible?

00:56:59.000 I think there was just nothing to do.

00:57:00.000 They were like a gated community.

00:57:02.000 It's all dudes in their 20s, single, and you're out in a gated community where nothing's going on.

00:57:06.000 Like, imagine that.

00:57:07.000 That does not sound too fun. 0.99

00:57:09.000 Yeah, it doesn't sound like a good time unless you're gay. 1.00

00:57:11.000 Yeah, then it would be the best time. 0.99

00:57:13.000 Yeah, that would be amazing.

00:57:15.000 A lot of dudes.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, a lot of dudes hugging each other.

00:57:17.000 So, they were in a gated community.

00:57:19.000 Were they close to the beach, at least?

00:57:21.000 I think so.

00:57:21.000 I think it was nice, but it was boring.

00:57:23.000 I think that's what helped lead to the split of the team, which is very unfortunate.

00:57:27.000 What caused that?

00:57:28.000 Do you know?

00:57:29.000 A little bit, but I don't want to go and air people's dramas.

00:57:32.000 I'm neutral because I'm friends and everyone on both sides.

00:57:34.000 It's a bummer.

00:57:35.000 Yeah, it's a total bummer because I like everyone involved and I try to talk and go, hey, is there any way this could be resolved?

00:57:41.000 And it was just like, no.

00:57:42.000 All right.

00:57:42.000 That's crazy.

00:57:43.000 It's crazy that they're all out here, too.

00:57:45.000 They all came to the same city and then they split up.

00:57:47.000 Yeah, the B team.

00:57:48.000 The name's hilarious.

00:57:49.000 Very funny.

00:57:50.000 Well, they're funny.

00:57:50.000 Craig's hilarious.

00:57:51.000 He's a funny motherfucker, you know? 0.99

00:57:54.000 And Nicky Rodriguez is a... 1.00

00:57:57.000 Fucking freak athlete. 1.00

00:57:59.000 That guy. 1.00

00:58:00.000 You see his brother just won ADCC trials and I think less than a year training too.

00:58:03.000 It's like, talk about that family.

00:58:05.000 Amazing.

00:58:06.000 Well, that's real.

00:58:08.000 That's genetics.

00:58:09.000 There are people that are just, they have amazing, and then they'll have a background in something else, like maybe gymnastics or some other explosive sport, and it translates very easily to MMA or Jiu-Jitsu.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, no, those guys just, they picked it up so quick.

00:58:24.000 Nicky Rod, I think he'd been training in a year when he took second in Abu Dhabi.

00:58:27.000 Wow, really?

00:58:28.000 And then his brother won the trials.

00:58:29.000 And the trials now are like 250 people per weight.

00:58:33.000 It was unreal.

00:58:34.000 That really is crazy.

00:58:35.000 But it makes sense because it's such an athletic pursuit, especially no gi.

00:58:42.000 No gi is so athletic.

00:58:43.000 As Marcelo Garcia was talking about that, he was saying the difference between gi and no gi is that you're Athletic ability has so much more of an impact on no gi.

00:58:53.000 Yeah, I think that's why a lot of older people and stuff prefer the gi.

00:58:56.000 It slows down the pace.

00:58:57.000 Sure, definitely.

00:58:59.000 You ever train with the gi or you must all know gi?

00:59:00.000 I'd train gi and no gi. 0.98

00:59:02.000 Yeah.

00:59:03.000 You definitely feel like things are...

00:59:07.000 The thing I don't like about the gi is the weird stuff when people try to choke you with their clothes. 1.00

00:59:14.000 They try to wrap their lapel around your neck and...

00:59:18.000 Okay, are we bringing weapons in?

00:59:20.000 Can I choke you with my belt? 1.00

00:59:21.000 Because you can, right? 0.99

00:59:22.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:59:24.000 I never did much gi, so it was kind of...

00:59:26.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:59:26.000 Yeah.

00:59:27.000 You can choke someone with a belt.

00:59:28.000 But what I would do is just do no-gi techniques with the gi. 1.00

00:59:33.000 So I use the gi defensively because it made me watch my P's and Q's and make sure anybody doesn't get a deep grab on my collar or something like that.

00:59:42.000 As far as, like, the techniques that I use, other than very rarely I will pull out, like, a clock choke or something like that, most of the time I'm using no-gi techniques with a gi.

00:59:52.000 Yeah, whenever I put a gi on, it's 100% no-gi techniques.

00:59:56.000 The crazy thing is I went and, when I was a purple belt, I was back when the Brazilians were like, you're not really a purple belt, so I went and threw it on for, like, one week and went and won it.

01:00:03.000 Yeah.

01:00:04.000 They said you were not really a purple belt because you didn't train with the Gi.

01:00:07.000 You remember that time period, right, when they were really critical of the note?

01:00:09.000 It's not like that's much anymore, but I'm sure Eddie got a bunch of crap for that, I'm sure.

01:00:13.000 Oh, yeah, they did. 0.74

01:00:14.000 But he was a black belt under John Jack Machado.

01:00:16.000 He was a black belt in the Gi.

01:00:17.000 But there was a time where there was a ridiculous idea that the only one to learn Jiu-Jitsu was with the Gi.

01:00:23.000 And Eddie Bravo had a great way of putting it.

01:00:26.000 He's like, if you wanted to get really good at racquetball and they told you to only play tennis, would that make any sense?

01:00:31.000 Yeah, of course not.

01:00:31.000 No, you'd want to play racquetball.

01:00:33.000 Yeah, or to wrestle.

01:00:34.000 To wrestle, you've got to wear a gi. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Exactly.

01:00:36.000 It made zero sense, but people were adamant about it.

01:00:39.000 But it's like one of those things where people who did the gi were so good at it, and they were so technical, and there were so many grips and so many things that they could do with the gi that they couldn't do with no gi.

01:00:53.000 And they would get frustrated because they would roll no gi.

01:00:55.000 So they would say, no, you want to learn real jiu-jitsu, you've got to put the gi on.

01:00:59.000 I would talk to MMA fighters, and I'd go, how's training?

01:01:03.000 Oh, you know, it's been great.

01:01:05.000 My coach is really making me work hard with the gi. 1.00

01:01:07.000 I'm like, why?

01:01:08.000 Yeah, I encourage MMA fighters not to, because you can do it occasionally, but it's not really going to add to your game, in my opinion.

01:01:15.000 It's totally unrealistic.

01:01:16.000 If I was just doing jiu-jitsu, I'd say do both if you have an opportunity, but for MMA, that's why I never did.

01:01:20.000 I was always...

01:01:21.000 I wanted to fight right away.

01:01:22.000 I was trying to learn jujitsu for fighting, not some stuff where I'm upside down or someone could elbow me in the face or that weird jujitsu game.

01:01:29.000 Oh, there's some weird jujitsu games out there now.

01:01:32.000 There's, like, so many elaborate and exotic techniques that guys...

01:01:36.000 Like, I have so many saved that I find on Instagram, and I save them to go back and watch.

01:01:42.000 I'm like, what is he doing?

01:01:43.000 And then I go back and watch some just, like, exotic calf slices and some fucking weird way to take the back and, like...

01:01:49.000 Yeah, it's unreal how technical it is right now.

01:01:52.000 But for self-defense, I think it's gotten pulled away from that.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:57.000 Well, yeah, there's so much of it that will work in competition, for sure, but you're not going to do that kind of roll on the street.

01:02:06.000 This is nonsense.

01:02:08.000 But then again, there's certain things that you would never do on the street, but you can't deny the effectiveness of an Imanari roll to inside control and a heel hook, right?

01:02:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:18.000 You can't deny that.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, I would never do it.

01:02:20.000 You see guys do it.

01:02:21.000 It's awesome when it happens.

01:02:22.000 Someone like Gary Toney can hit him, that Ryan Hall, these type of guys.

01:02:26.000 So many guys.

01:02:27.000 There's so many guys.

01:02:29.000 There's so many, like, elite level, even our role guys.

01:02:33.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 I mean, it's a...

01:02:34.000 I see guys doing an MMA. Oh yeah, you see it.

01:02:38.000 But for me, I can't really roll up.

01:02:39.000 My neck's too messed up.

01:02:40.000 I can't do that rolling stuff.

01:02:41.000 Oh really? 0.99

01:02:42.000 Is your neck fucked up from jiu-jitsu? 0.99

01:02:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:02:45.000 It's not like in pain all the time, but it's just so stiff. 0.99

01:02:47.000 I can't.

01:02:48.000 If I go roll my head, it's like, ah, it hurts.

01:02:49.000 Have you ever used one of those iron necks?

01:02:51.000 No.

01:02:52.000 You never have?

01:02:53.000 No.

01:02:53.000 Really?

01:02:53.000 What's that do?

01:02:54.000 Oh my god, it strengthens your neck.

01:02:55.000 And it gives you great range of motion.

01:02:57.000 I'll give one.

01:02:58.000 Okay, perfect.

01:02:59.000 They gave me a stack of them to give to people.

01:03:02.000 Because I always bring it up to people like... 0.99

01:03:05.000 Fuck, I forgot what to give one to Mike Tyson. 0.99

01:03:07.000 Well, yeah, I definitely want to try one. 0.99

01:03:09.000 Yeah, it's my favorite neck training tool of all time, for sure.

01:03:13.000 It's the best.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, because in fighting and wrestling, you get a lot of abuse on your neck.

01:03:17.000 Yeah, well, what it does is it allows you to strengthen your neck, but use full rotation, but not bending. 0.95

01:03:24.000 Not like that kind of shit, which is fine if you don't do it wrong. 0.98

01:03:28.000 But that's what it looks like. 1.00

01:03:29.000 You put that thing on your head...

01:03:30.000 And the thing, the way it spins left and right, there's resistance in it.

01:03:36.000 So you can tighten or loosen it, depending upon whether or not you want to increase or decrease the resistance.

01:03:43.000 And so you're doing that.

01:03:44.000 This guy's got it attached to a cable machine, and I do it that way as well.

01:03:49.000 But most of the time I do it, I attach it to a bungee cord.

01:03:52.000 There's like a 50-pound bungee cord.

01:04:05.000 Yeah, I'll definitely do it.

01:04:07.000 Yeah, you'll love it.

01:04:08.000 And then this one, the extension and retraction.

01:04:11.000 It's a great move.

01:04:12.000 I mean, it's a great piece of equipment.

01:04:14.000 It's just, um, it's hard to strengthen the neck, and that's in my opinion the best way.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:04:19.000 When you lift weights, you use anything for your neck.

01:04:21.000 It's a hard thing to work, but it's one of the most important, you know, for fighting, it's one of the most important things you use.

01:04:25.000 Did you ever get bulging discs or anything in the neck?

01:04:28.000 I think I have a couple bulging discs in my neck.

01:04:30.000 I got a, um, X-ray like I don't know probably 15 years ago and the doctor's just like oh you need to find a new career you're not gonna you could never fight again and I wasn't too happy I walked out of the office and I was tempted like later to send them winning world title fights maybe you need to reconsider a new career I remember you and I talking about this backstage because you had hurt your back and they basically just told you to quit Yeah.

01:04:53.000 And you know, that last couple years of my fighting, I did have a lot of lower back injuries.

01:04:57.000 But I was able to fix that actually by doing really light deadlifts.

01:05:01.000 I was always scared to deadlift because I threw it out deadlifting.

01:05:04.000 But a guy talked me into, I mean, I literally would start with like 15 pounds on there.

01:05:07.000 And now I still only usually put like 135 and just do reps of 20. And it's had no back problems since.

01:05:12.000 Well, that is a big issue with people's backs is just that they don't strengthen it enough.

01:05:18.000 And they don't strengthen it correctly and safely.

01:05:21.000 Yeah, I'm a huge believer now.

01:05:22.000 I tell everyone with back problems, like, hey, try the light deadlifts, you know?

01:05:25.000 Obviously, different injuries are different.

01:05:27.000 I can't say 100%, but I've had multiple people try it, and like, wow, my back's better now.

01:05:31.000 That's awesome.

01:05:31.000 Within a couple weeks, a lot of times, too.

01:05:32.000 Well, you know, you've got to think, all that muscle around, like, when you think about a deadlift, just the actual act of it, it's one of the best exercises ever for full body strength, right?

01:05:42.000 And if you do it with a light weight, it makes sense that it would strengthen all that core stabilizing muscles, all the muscles attached to your lower back.

01:05:51.000 What happens is a lot of guys try deadlifting with extremely heavy weight and they throw their backs out so they get scared to do deadlifts.

01:05:57.000 You have to really learn the technique and form before you go heavy.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, but even, you know, Robert Oberst, you know who he is?

01:06:04.000 No.

01:06:04.000 He's a giant, strongman dude.

01:06:06.000 I mean, he's one of the immense guys whose head is as big as his table. 0.99

01:06:09.000 He's just a fucking complete gorilla. 0.99

01:06:12.000 And he discourages people from doing deadlifts. 0.99

01:06:15.000 He's like, you shouldn't do it. 0.96

01:06:16.000 They're going to fuck your back up. 0.99

01:06:18.000 Yeah, I think you can do it if you do it light with proper form. 0.99

01:06:21.000 And that's probably why he discouraged people, because he'd probably put a ton of weight on and just try to rip it up.

01:06:24.000 Yeah, I do them.

01:06:25.000 I don't do them with heavy weights, though, and a lot of times I'm doing them with kettlebells.

01:06:29.000 A lot of times I'm doing, like, two 70-pound kettlebells, so it's not much weight, and I don't.

01:06:34.000 You know, I just do them for reps.

01:06:36.000 Yeah, I think that's the way to do it.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, I do straight leg deadlifts, too, for hamstrings.

01:06:42.000 But I think people ignore strengthening the back, just the actual back, because it's not a sexy thing to do, to do back extensions.

01:06:54.000 Especially low back.

01:06:55.000 I don't do the upper back, but the low back, no one's like, oh, I've got to get my lower back ripped.

01:06:59.000 Did you ever use the reverse hyper?

01:07:01.000 That thing was great.

01:07:02.000 But hardly anyone has them.

01:07:04.000 You can buy one from my house.

01:07:05.000 We have one right here.

01:07:06.000 I have one here.

01:07:07.000 I got it from Rogue.

01:07:09.000 Rogue sells it.

01:07:10.000 Yeah, those are amazing, but hardly any gyms have them.

01:07:12.000 It's so important, man.

01:07:14.000 On a gym right over here has one, too.

01:07:16.000 But having a reverse hyper machine in the gym should be standard.

01:07:22.000 Every good, solid gym should have one.

01:07:24.000 Just for back maintenance and strengthening your core and active decompression.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, every single gym, all the 24 hours, they all should have them.

01:07:31.000 It's unreal to me to go because that's like the most important thing for fixing your low back.

01:07:35.000 It really is.

01:07:36.000 And that's all Louis Simmons.

01:07:37.000 Shout out to the great and powerful Louis Simmons.

01:07:40.000 Rest in peace.

01:07:41.000 Yeah.

01:07:42.000 Oh, he died?

01:07:42.000 Yeah, he just died recently.

01:07:44.000 What?

01:07:44.000 I didn't know.

01:07:45.000 How long ago?

01:07:46.000 Week two, three weeks ago?

01:07:48.000 Oh man.

01:07:49.000 He was one of those guys, one of the rare guys that we traveled to go do a podcast with him.

01:07:55.000 Oh man.

01:07:55.000 I was like, I need to do a podcast with Louie Simmons.

01:07:59.000 I mean, he's the Mac Daddy of strength training.

01:08:01.000 Yeah, I was just out with Marcus from Strong Style.

01:08:04.000 You know who that is?

01:08:06.000 He's a steep-based trainer and stuff.

01:08:08.000 And that's what he uses a lot of his system.

01:08:10.000 Like, oh yeah, next time you're out here, I'll drive you down to his gym and we can meet him and stuff.

01:08:13.000 I'm like, oh, that'll be dope.

01:08:14.000 It's terrible to hear this.

01:08:15.000 I never met the guy, but that's just still so sad.

01:08:17.000 Yeah, he was in Columbus.

01:08:19.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 We were down there for a show and I was like, dude, we gotta meet Louie.

01:08:24.000 He was just such a character.

01:08:27.000 He told me that after shoulder surgery, he had his shoulder replaced and he went to the gym and they made him max out with bench.

01:08:34.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

01:08:36.000 Why would you do that? 0.99

01:08:37.000 He's like, they fucking made me. 0.99

01:08:39.000 He's like, what do you mean to me? 0.99

01:08:40.000 You just got your shoulder repaired.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, some trainers are completely clueless. 0.99

01:08:45.000 Well, these guys are all juiced to the tits, too. 1.00

01:08:47.000 They're out of their fucking minds. 1.00

01:08:49.000 They're all just complete savages, just going for numbers. 1.00

01:08:53.000 Yeah, you used to go to a powerlifting gym. 0.56

01:08:54.000 Just look at his body.

01:08:55.000 Yeah, I was at a powerlifting gym.

01:08:57.000 That's how they all looked, just juiced out of their minds.

01:08:59.000 Yeah, and also, both of his biceps were gone.

01:09:03.000 Both of his biceps had detached.

01:09:06.000 And he just was all about powerlifting and all about innovation.

01:09:11.000 He was always like innovating with new exercise.

01:09:15.000 Yeah, his methods definitely make you strong.

01:09:18.000 You can't deny that.

01:09:18.000 Oh, no denying.

01:09:19.000 Healthy?

01:09:19.000 Probably not.

01:09:20.000 I mean, he's an example of him dying.

01:09:22.000 I think a lot of those guys die young.

01:09:24.000 How old was he when he died?

01:09:26.000 I think he was like 70. Was he 70 even?

01:09:29.000 67 maybe?

01:09:33.000 I'm going to guess.

01:09:34.000 I'm going to guess 70. Jamie will find out.

01:09:39.000 75. Oh, wow.

01:09:40.000 So yeah, he's a little older than I thought.

01:09:42.000 Pretty decent age to kick the bucket.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, it's not too bad.

01:09:44.000 I thought he was a lot younger for some reason.

01:09:45.000 Bro, he's tearing his body apart like most of his life.

01:09:48.000 He has no biceps.

01:09:50.000 His biceps before he died, they weren't attached.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:09:54.000 At that age, he was still lifting, right?

01:09:55.000 Oh, he's an animal.

01:09:56.000 He's an animal.

01:09:57.000 I mean, we met him.

01:09:58.000 He was 70. Right?

01:10:01.000 It was probably about five years ago.

01:10:04.000 That's what he looked like?

01:10:05.000 Pretty sure.

01:10:06.000 Dang.

01:10:07.000 Unless that's somebody else.

01:10:09.000 Boy, that doesn't even look like him.

01:10:12.000 They're all so jacked it's hard to tell.

01:10:15.000 I guess so.

01:10:16.000 That's what he looked like.

01:10:18.000 Wow.

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:20.000 Were you out at the Columbus card or are you only doing the pay-per-views now?

01:10:23.000 I only do pay-per-views now.

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 I just don't have the time.

01:10:27.000 I only do North American pay-per-views. 0.99

01:10:30.000 I don't have the fucking time. 0.99

01:10:31.000 Yeah, the schedule. 0.99

01:10:32.000 They do a fight like every week with your podcast and comedy.

01:10:35.000 That would be...

01:10:36.000 Make no sense.

01:10:37.000 There was one time a few years ago where I did 22 events a year.

01:10:41.000 When I was commentating on 22 events a year.

01:10:43.000 It was crazy.

01:10:44.000 But it was fucking with my comedy because I couldn't really do a lot of weekends on the road and do clubs and stuff. 0.77

01:10:50.000 It was...

01:10:51.000 Yeah, I think you're doing the right thing.

01:10:52.000 But I'm glad you're still doing it.

01:10:53.000 You're like the...

01:10:54.000 It's crazy.

01:10:55.000 You're the one to revolutionize commentary, podcast, like a top 10 comedian.

01:11:00.000 It's just luck.

01:11:01.000 Yeah, right?

01:11:02.000 It is crazy, because you're a smart dude, but you're not like an Elon Musk, and you've been successful in so many different fields.

01:11:06.000 It's amazing.

01:11:07.000 It's very bizarre. 0.96

01:11:08.000 You did have people eat pig dicks, though. 0.98

01:11:10.000 I did have that. 0.93

01:11:11.000 I just got lucky that I found things that I enjoy doing that are a career.

01:11:16.000 That's all it is.

01:11:17.000 Yeah, I know.

01:11:18.000 It's definitely partially luck.

01:11:19.000 I mean, obviously, you're really good at what you do, but it's still...

01:11:21.000 It is luck.

01:11:23.000 You're good at what you do, but there is luck involved, for sure.

01:11:26.000 Well, first of all, there's luck that there's those careers.

01:11:28.000 Because at any other era, right?

01:11:31.000 Because imagine, from like 93 to today is a very small window of time.

01:11:36.000 If I had been born in any other era, all of my jobs, except being a stand-up comedian, would be non-existent.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, you'd have to be doing like a late-night talk show.

01:11:44.000 But I would never.

01:11:45.000 Imagine how terrible that would be.

01:11:46.000 They would never give me one.

01:11:47.000 I guarantee you they would never give me one.

01:11:49.000 Or you'd have to be like Stephen Colbert.

01:11:51.000 Ugh.

01:11:51.000 I would never, not only would I not do, I wouldn't be good at it, I wouldn't enjoy it, and then they would never give me that job.

01:11:58.000 No.

01:11:58.000 Because I'm not that guy.

01:12:00.000 No.

01:12:00.000 Like, there's people that are a little good late night talk show host, they're great at bringing in the band, and alright, we'll be right back.

01:12:06.000 I'm not that guy.

01:12:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:12:08.000 Those are like schmoozy, you know, fucking different kind of guy. 0.99

01:12:13.000 Say whatever they want. 0.99

01:12:14.000 It's sad seeing, like, Stephen Colbert, because I used to think he was funny, and seeing him now just, like, is cringe.

01:12:19.000 He's weird, right?

01:12:20.000 Right?

01:12:21.000 Like, the vax thing.

01:12:22.000 You're just like, oh, my God, this is so hard to watch.

01:12:24.000 The vaccine songs.

01:12:25.000 Yeah, you saw that, right?

01:12:26.000 That was strange.

01:12:28.000 Like, I want to be in the meeting when they pitch that.

01:12:31.000 Like, here's the thing.

01:12:32.000 We're going to go, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

01:12:36.000 Vaccine!

01:12:36.000 Right.

01:12:37.000 Like, where's the joke?

01:12:38.000 I'd be like, where's the joke?

01:12:39.000 Are people going to watch this?

01:12:40.000 Yeah, you wonder, is a guy happy like that doing a job, or is he just like the money?

01:12:43.000 It's definitely, uh...

01:12:44.000 I guess people get so attached to being famous and getting money, they'll do whatever it takes.

01:12:49.000 I bet it's, for sure, very lucrative.

01:12:52.000 He gets a lot of money.

01:12:53.000 I bet he enjoys being the star of a show.

01:12:56.000 Um, he enjoys being on the in.

01:12:59.000 He's in on the in crowd.

01:13:01.000 He can hang out with Obama, probably, and Hillary, and all these important people.

01:13:04.000 Have you ever seen the video of him dancing with Chuck Schumer and high-fiving each other?

01:13:08.000 Thank God I have not.

01:13:09.000 You need to.

01:13:10.000 You need to see it right now.

01:13:11.000 There's a video.

01:13:13.000 They're at some sort of party, probably where they're giving everybody Satan snake venom blood.

01:13:19.000 I just want to go on the record and say that's definitely true.

01:13:24.000 It was the reason why they made that In the Water documentary.

01:13:27.000 And Q2. Yes, the QAnon people.

01:13:32.000 But there's this video of...

01:13:36.000 Colbert dancing with Chuck Schumer and they high-five each other and it's so strange.

01:13:42.000 I think Schumer is even wearing a mask.

01:13:43.000 Like look at him dancing. 1.00

01:13:44.000 Give me some volume so I can hear what the fuck the song is. 0.99

01:13:48.000 Look at this. 0.99

01:13:49.000 Watch this.

01:13:51.000 Look, they're high-fiving.

01:13:53.000 Jesus.

01:13:54.000 And Schumer's dancing outside with a mask on.

01:13:57.000 Like, this is gonna go down in history, like, this time, where, look at all these people outside with masks on.

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 This is like a mass psychosis.

01:14:05.000 But meanwhile, Colbert doesn't have a mask on, which is very odd.

01:14:09.000 Some people are exempt.

01:14:10.000 He's a risk taker.

01:14:11.000 Look at him, he's a wild man, but he high-fives the guy.

01:14:14.000 Yeah, this is just humiliating.

01:14:16.000 Like, what is that?

01:14:17.000 He can't enjoy doing this, I would think.

01:14:19.000 Well, he might.

01:14:20.000 Yeah, I guess you never know, right?

01:14:22.000 People are different, man.

01:14:23.000 Yeah, the whole outdoor mask thing was just odd.

01:14:27.000 When I was in San Francisco, I'd be the only person at Golden Gate Park walking my dog without a mask.

01:14:31.000 And people would be looking at me like I'm a freak, walking around, turning their backs on me, yelling at me.

01:14:37.000 But I'm like, I'm not going to put a mask on outside.

01:14:39.000 Dude, I have friends that would yell at people to put masks on.

01:14:43.000 I'm like, bro, what are you doing?

01:14:44.000 Why are you upset at this person?

01:14:46.000 Do you even pay attention?

01:14:47.000 They say you should wear a mask.

01:14:48.000 Who are they? 1.00

01:14:49.000 Who the fuck are they? 1.00

01:14:50.000 Do you know those people who say you should wear a mask, used to say you shouldn't wear a mask, and now again say you don't need to wear a mask? 1.00

01:14:58.000 Yeah, no, it makes no sense.

01:14:59.000 There's been not a single scientific study showing the help.

01:15:02.000 Well, first of all, if you're going to wear a mask, those N95 masks are the only masks you should wear. 1.00

01:15:08.000 They explain that, that there's like, what did Osterholm explain to us?

01:15:12.000 There's some sort of a magnetical, what is it?

01:15:15.000 Electromagnetic charge?

01:15:17.000 Electrostatic charge.

01:15:17.000 Electrostatic charge in the cloth that actually does protect you somewhat.

01:15:23.000 So if you're going to wear a mask, a well-fitted N95 mask is the only kind of mask to wear. 0.91

01:15:29.000 But even then, you shouldn't be wearing it outside.

01:15:31.000 And even then, it's 2022. Exactly.

01:15:35.000 We get it now.

01:15:36.000 Everybody was in a frothy panic.

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:15:39.000 We're alright.

01:15:40.000 There was like a two-week period where I got N95 and wore it, like, only indoors, and I'm like, hey, this is ridiculous.

01:15:45.000 I'm just gonna walk around maskless and get yelled at all the time instead.

01:15:48.000 It's a weird time for kids, man.

01:15:50.000 You know, they're talking about children's development and the children who grew up during this that, like, There's a large uptick in speech therapists, where their speech therapists are having to treat kids, where young kids...

01:16:05.000 Well, imagine kids trying to look through the mask and figure out what you're saying.

01:16:08.000 It's gotta be so difficult.

01:16:09.000 I have a hard time...

01:16:10.000 If someone's wearing a mask, I have a hard time making any kind of a personal relationship with them, too.

01:16:14.000 I try to and try to be empathetic, but it's just so hard for me to communicate someone with a mask.

01:16:18.000 I use the facial cues too much.

01:16:20.000 It's brutal when you're trying to talk to someone in a crowded restaurant or something like that, and someone's talking to you and you really have to struggle to listen to what they're saying.

01:16:29.000 Because they're talking like a normal way. 0.99

01:16:32.000 And you're like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying. 0.99

01:16:34.000 I'm trying to, like, get through this with you. 0.99

01:16:36.000 Yeah, it's tough.

01:16:37.000 The funny one, though, they have the mask and they pull it down when they talk to you.

01:16:39.000 It's like, doesn't that kind of...

01:16:41.000 Okay, you just killed me. 0.99

01:16:42.000 You just killed me. 1.00

01:16:43.000 You pulled the mask down. 1.00

01:16:44.000 Now we're both dead.

01:16:45.000 It's just...

01:16:46.000 It's a weird time, but one of the things we were talking about before the podcast, it's so true, is the difference between different kinds of communities, the way they handled it, and the community of fighters and jiu-jitsu people. 0.95

01:16:58.000 Nobody gave a fuck.

01:16:59.000 Yeah, I was so fortunate to be in the best possible community because all my friends, I mean, some of the guys stopped training for a couple weeks, but they were right back at it and just kind of, eh, we're going to get it. 0.93

01:17:09.000 Yeah.

01:17:10.000 I guess if you fight people in a cage, you're not really going to be that scared of catching COVID. Right.

01:17:14.000 And you just found out today that you had had it at one time.

01:17:17.000 I'm a survivor.

01:17:18.000 I didn't know I had COVID, but just found out I'm a COVID survivor.

01:17:21.000 Now you can get some sympathy.

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:24.000 No one knew.

01:17:25.000 There's a lot of people that got it that didn't know until they get those antibody tests.

01:17:31.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 I'd hardly ever get sick.

01:17:33.000 I had a light cold once.

01:17:35.000 Stayed home for a couple of days and I was fine, but I guess that must have been COVID. Well, do you take any supplements, or is your diet just sufficient enough to...

01:17:43.000 I think my diet, I mean, I probably should, but I think my diet and just working out, low-stress living, you know, not having a boss, being able to do what I want, I think makes me healthy.

01:17:52.000 That's interesting.

01:17:53.000 Not having a boss.

01:17:54.000 I mean, don't you feel a lot healthier because of that?

01:17:56.000 I guess.

01:17:57.000 I haven't had a boss in a long time.

01:18:00.000 Yeah.

01:18:00.000 I guess I still have a boss in the UFC, but...

01:18:03.000 But, like, kind of.

01:18:04.000 Sort of.

01:18:04.000 I mean, you can kind of do what you want.

01:18:06.000 You're kind of exempt.

01:18:07.000 Well, they're pretty easy with me.

01:18:09.000 Anyway, they've always been pretty easy with me.

01:18:11.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 But that's the one place where I still have a boss.

01:18:13.000 Yeah.

01:18:14.000 You're such a big part of the UFC, they wouldn't want to lose you, right?

01:18:17.000 Well, they know.

01:18:18.000 I'm not trying to fuck anything up.

01:18:20.000 I mean, if I'm trying, I'm trying to do my best.

01:18:22.000 But it's...

01:18:24.000 Yeah, that's interesting, though, that having a boss and having that kind of stress hanging over your head, that isn't... 1.00

01:18:31.000 Especially your boss is a dickhead. 0.99

01:18:32.000 Yeah, I couldn't imagine that. 1.00

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:35.000 But you take it for granted.

01:18:36.000 Having no boss probably over 20 years, you're probably the same, I would assume.

01:18:40.000 Yeah.

01:18:41.000 It's been a long time.

01:18:41.000 Well, no.

01:18:42.000 Fear factor.

01:18:43.000 I had a boss then.

01:18:44.000 That was probably one of the...

01:18:47.000 Not one of the best shows you did, in your opinion, or no?

01:18:50.000 Trying to think of a nice way of wording that.

01:18:52.000 It was a very good show for me financially.

01:18:54.000 Yeah, it blew you up.

01:18:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:56.000 Well, it gave me fuck you money. 0.99

01:18:57.000 You know, that was the big part of doing a show like Fear Factor, so that I didn't have to think at all about money anymore. 0.99

01:19:03.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 And I didn't.

01:19:04.000 It made me relaxed in a way that no other show, nothing...

01:19:09.000 So that allowed me to do so many other things, including the podcast, because I started the podcast right after Fear Factor.

01:19:16.000 Yeah, so that was great.

01:19:17.000 I remember when you first started cage commentating, you were a big name, so we were excited.

01:19:21.000 Like, oh, Rogan's coming and doing this.

01:19:22.000 It'll help legitimize the sport.

01:19:23.000 So that was probably because it was from Fear Factor, right?

01:19:25.000 That was actually news radio.

01:19:27.000 News radio, okay.

01:19:28.000 Yeah, news radio was when I was doing backstage interviews.

01:19:31.000 I guess it was Fear Factor when I was doing commentary.

01:19:34.000 That's what really blew you up, right?

01:19:36.000 To the mainstream.

01:19:37.000 Well, I mean Fear Factor.

01:19:38.000 Fear Factor, yeah.

01:19:38.000 To the mainstream people.

01:19:39.000 Yeah, that was the big one.

01:19:41.000 Yeah, nobody knew who I was when I was on news radio.

01:19:43.000 I was just a random actor on a- Yeah, I never watched that.

01:19:46.000 One of eight people on a show.

01:19:48.000 Is that worth going back and watching or no?

01:19:50.000 It was a fun show.

01:19:50.000 It was a good show, but there's better shows.

01:19:53.000 You know, we'll try to watch a couple episodes, see if I can get into it.

01:19:56.000 You can see me as a young, cute boy.

01:19:58.000 Back in, like, oh, look how young I was.

01:20:00.000 So weird, right?

01:20:00.000 It's very strange.

01:20:01.000 And hearing my voice, my voice was different then, because my nose was fucked back then. 0.90

01:20:07.000 And I also still had a little bit of an accent, still had a little bit of my Boston accent that I hadn't shook off yet. 0.97

01:20:12.000 You know?

01:20:13.000 The Boston accent.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:15.000 There's like a...

01:20:16.000 That's where you grew up?

01:20:17.000 Yeah.

01:20:17.000 Sorta.

01:20:18.000 I grew up everywhere.

01:20:19.000 There's cold, angry people in Boston.

01:20:20.000 Oh, they're so angry.

01:20:21.000 Yeah.

01:20:22.000 Mean women, too. 1.00

01:20:23.000 Yeah, right.

01:20:23.000 I was over there a couple times.

01:20:24.000 Everyone's just angry, yelling at everyone.

01:20:26.000 It's freezing.

01:20:27.000 You're like, what is this place? 1.00

01:20:29.000 And then you're like, Boston sucks. 0.99

01:20:31.000 They get all mad at you. 0.99

01:20:31.000 It's the best city in the world. 0.99

01:20:33.000 It's the best.

01:20:34.000 I can't wait to go back.

01:20:35.000 Yeah, the people that love it there, love it there.

01:20:38.000 But the people that, like, I didn't even know girls were nice until I moved.

01:20:41.000 Like, wait.

01:20:42.000 I thought they're just gonna be mean.

01:20:43.000 Like, they're pretty and mean.

01:20:45.000 You just gotta deal with them.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, why isn't she yelling at me? 0.97

01:20:49.000 Something's wrong. 0.99

01:20:50.000 Yelling at you and telling you what to do, and you better fucking call me. 0.98

01:20:57.000 Yeah, the guys that stay in those relationships always crack me up. 0.99

01:21:01.000 Well, if that's all you know, I didn't know girls were nice until I moved to California. 0.67

01:21:05.000 I moved to California.

01:21:07.000 I'm like, you guys are so nice.

01:21:09.000 Everyone's so nice.

01:21:12.000 Some fighters, some MMA guys and Jiu Jitsu guys, they like aggressive women who yell at them. 1.00

01:21:22.000 They like that.

01:21:23.000 They like those bossy women. 1.00

01:21:25.000 Some guys like it.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, 100% true.

01:21:27.000 I have some friends like that.

01:21:28.000 I'm the exact opposite.

01:21:29.000 I don't want some girl yelling at me, bossing me around. 1.00

01:21:31.000 I don't like that from my friends.

01:21:33.000 I don't like that from girlfriends.

01:21:35.000 I don't like that from anybody.

01:21:36.000 I don't like anybody in my life that's a control freak that likes bossing me around telling me what to do.

01:21:42.000 Yeah, my relationship in life is that.

01:21:44.000 No one liked that.

01:21:44.000 You cut those people out.

01:21:46.000 It's weird how many guys like that though, isn't it?

01:21:48.000 I don't know if they like it.

01:21:49.000 I think sometimes they get just like suckered into.

01:21:51.000 They don't know how to say no.

01:21:53.000 They start letting the girl boss them around slowly.

01:21:55.000 You see them suck their life out of them.

01:21:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:58.000 It fucking happens though. 0.99

01:22:00.000 Like, that's the Will Smith, Jada, Pinkett Smith thing. 0.99

01:22:03.000 That's what that is.

01:22:04.000 Yeah, I didn't really know anything about that until the slap, and I started looking that up, and you're like, ooh, this is bad.

01:22:08.000 Did you see the video she posted?

01:22:11.000 And she posted that, so she thought that would make her look good. 0.96

01:22:14.000 Right. 0.99

01:22:14.000 Well, she's annoying the shit out of him. 0.99

01:22:17.000 And he's like, hey, this is my social media, that's my bread and butter. 0.89

01:22:19.000 She's like, turns the video on her cellar.

01:22:22.000 Yeah, could you imagine your wife showing up in your house and starting to film you without your permission? 1.00

01:22:27.000 And put it online?

01:22:29.000 That's like you're living with an enemy.

01:22:30.000 Yeah, it just seems so unimaginable to me. 1.00

01:22:33.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:22:34.000 I can't imagine why he dealt with it as long as he did. 1.00

01:22:37.000 You gotta get him on the show.

01:22:38.000 Uh-uh.

01:22:40.000 No chance.

01:22:41.000 I think it'd be great.

01:22:44.000 But it could be a little weird, because then you'd have to have some awkward conversations.

01:22:47.000 It'd be real weird, but I'm just not interested, man.

01:22:50.000 I like actors, don't get me wrong.

01:22:56.000 I think there's a lot of really interesting actors, like Robert Downey Jr. is very interesting.

01:23:01.000 Ed Norton is very interesting.

01:23:03.000 There's a lot of... 0.99

01:23:03.000 Very interesting guys that are actors that I would love to talk to, but that world is so fucked. 0.99

01:23:10.000 It's so fucked. 0.99

01:23:11.000 It's like the fact that they didn't escort him out of there immediately and arrest him, the fact that they let him give a fucking speech and win an award afterwards shows you how fucked that world is. 1.00

01:23:24.000 There's not another industry in the world. 0.99

01:23:26.000 Imagine the Nobel Prize.

01:23:28.000 Imagine if there was... 0.99

01:23:30.000 A fucking guest comedian during the Nobel Prize. 0.99

01:23:33.000 Or imagine, you know the White House press correspondence dinner? 1.00

01:23:36.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:23:37.000 Yeah.

01:23:37.000 Where Michelle Wolf did it once and she mocked Trump.

01:23:41.000 Trump could have went and smacked her?

01:23:42.000 Imagine! 0.98

01:23:43.000 Imagine if somebody walked up and smacked her in the face. 1.00

01:23:45.000 No, it's unreal.

01:23:46.000 And Chris Rock, too, like a legendary comedian.

01:23:48.000 One of the greatest of all time.

01:23:49.000 One of the greatest of all time.

01:23:50.000 And you're going to slap him for a little, I thought, harmless joke.

01:23:53.000 Completely harmless.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, that doesn't set a good precedent, you being a comedian.

01:23:58.000 Not just harmless, but like, cute.

01:24:02.000 Yeah.

01:24:02.000 I mean, he's talking about G.I. Jane, which is a movie where Demi Moore plays a really hot female Navy Seal.

01:24:10.000 It's not even an insult.

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 It's not like they're making fun of a bad movie that, you know, everybody mocks.

01:24:17.000 Yeah, it was harmless.

01:24:18.000 And he was laughing.

01:24:19.000 And then you see she kind of glanced at him and he runs over and...

01:24:21.000 Yeah, he's definitely in an abusive relationship.

01:24:25.000 There's just some relationships that aren't good for you.

01:24:27.000 Yeah.

01:24:28.000 And sometimes you get stuck.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, you see guys that don't know how to get out, or girls.

01:24:33.000 I'm sure it goes both ways.

01:24:34.000 Oh yeah, it for sure goes both ways. 1.00

01:24:36.000 There's asshole men for sure. 1.00

01:24:38.000 My mom was married to one. 1.00

01:24:39.000 Yeah.

01:24:40.000 There's just no getting away from it. 1.00

01:24:42.000 There's assholes in this world, male and female. 0.99

01:24:45.000 I like nice people. 1.00

01:24:47.000 That's what I like.

01:24:48.000 Yeah, people that aren't going to try to boss you around and completely run your life.

01:24:52.000 I like people that want to be friendly.

01:24:54.000 That's one of the things I love about living in Texas.

01:24:56.000 People are so much friendlier here.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, so much.

01:24:58.000 It's weird.

01:24:58.000 They come talk to you.

01:24:59.000 My friend from New York is here visiting. 1.00

01:25:01.000 What the fuck do they want? 0.99

01:25:02.000 Why are they talking to me? 1.00

01:25:03.000 I'm like, bro, no, it's how they are here.

01:25:05.000 Yeah, it's called being nice.

01:25:08.000 Yeah.

01:25:08.000 When I lived in California, that was so rare.

01:25:11.000 Well, California, more common than New York.

01:25:14.000 Yeah.

01:25:15.000 And California got a lot weirder over the last five years, wouldn't you say?

01:25:18.000 Mm-hmm.

01:25:19.000 Like LA and San Francisco, at least.

01:25:21.000 Well, it definitely got really weird over the last two.

01:25:25.000 But before that, I think... 0.96

01:25:28.000 You know, there was a lot of weird shit that happened when Trump became president where people got super polarized. 0.95

01:25:36.000 And there was so many people that got like really ramped up about politics and really ramped up about the kind of us versus them dynamic that I hate the most about politics, about parties, 0.99

01:25:52.000 you know?

01:25:52.000 Yeah, I know 100% because I'm an independent and I have a ton of friends.

01:25:56.000 I think fighting brings more conservative, but I spent most of my life in San Francisco and New York, so I have a ton of liberal friends.

01:26:02.000 You should be able to sit there and have discussions with them.

01:26:04.000 With all my friends, I can, but some people get all worked up.

01:26:08.000 They'll start yelling at you.

01:26:09.000 It just makes no sense.

01:26:11.000 Well, they want everybody to know that they're on the right side of things.

01:26:14.000 And that's one of the reasons why they get ramped up.

01:26:16.000 And for me, it's like it was my liberal friends that would be yelling at the conservative friends.

01:26:21.000 Like the liberal ones would be the ones who'd be the most ramped up.

01:26:25.000 Yeah, I know.

01:26:25.000 The current liberals have turned really weird.

01:26:27.000 And that's why I don't consider myself conservative still.

01:26:29.000 But these parties, they do things that I just can't associate with.

01:26:31.000 They seem a lot more intolerant.

01:26:34.000 Yeah, I lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11, and that was like a very formative time of my life, and I always considered myself liberal.

01:26:43.000 My parents were hippies.

01:26:44.000 Yeah, same.

01:26:45.000 My parents were hippies, so I always grew up as a liberal, but not anymore.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, well, it's like, there's a difference between what liberal meant then and what it includes now.

01:26:55.000 It includes now, like, a lot of stuff that it didn't, like, it includes now People that want military action and includes now people that want censorship and includes now people that are intolerant for other to other people's ideas and people that like think it's fine to insult people and to be like really aggressive and shitty to people online and physically attack you Yes.

01:27:19.000 There's a lot of that, too.

01:27:20.000 Yeah, that's when I first started following politics when I was in Berkeley.

01:27:22.000 Antifa were there just like beating people up over that guy Milo's speech.

01:27:26.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:27.000 Yeah.

01:27:28.000 Well, that's also weird, right?

01:27:30.000 It's like then the Antifa, those people got tolerated by people on the left and they thought of them almost as like they're the thug branch of the left.

01:27:41.000 Like they're going to go... 0.99

01:27:43.000 You know, clean up all this bullshit. 0.99

01:27:45.000 And because people were so upset that Trump was president, they kind of tolerated a lot of this, and I don't think they would have tolerated in a more rational, sane time. 0.97

01:27:54.000 Yeah, no, I had friends that were sticking up front of Tifa, and that definitely bothered me.

01:27:57.000 I mean, I wasn't going to start yelling at them, but I was trying to explain these people aren't the good guys.

01:28:00.000 I've been at places where they're physically attacking people and had to fight them.

01:28:03.000 They attacked me, called me a Nazi, but then I beat a couple of them up, and they're like, oh, never mind.

01:28:07.000 Really?

01:28:07.000 They attacked you?

01:28:08.000 For what?

01:28:09.000 Oh yeah, because some guy was getting beat up in Berkeley, so I pulled the people off him, then they started swinging on me.

01:28:14.000 Oh no.

01:28:14.000 Then I dropped one, and all of a sudden someone was like, oh wait, he's not a Nazi.

01:28:18.000 Oh, he can fight.

01:28:20.000 He's not a Nazi, he's a professional fighter.

01:28:23.000 Yeah.

01:28:23.000 Oh my god, this whole punch a Nazi thing.

01:28:25.000 I remember I had a conversation with someone like that, like, what's wrong with punching Nazis?

01:28:29.000 I go, who gets to decide who the Nazi is?

01:28:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:31.000 If you're talking about Hitler, yeah, go punch Hitler. 1.00

01:28:34.000 If you're talking about an actual Nazi... 1.00

01:28:36.000 Yes.

01:28:36.000 But you're not talking about a Nazi.

01:28:39.000 You're talking about someone who might vote for Trump.

01:28:41.000 Okay?

01:28:42.000 Like, maybe they're just misinformed.

01:28:43.000 Maybe they have a wrong perspective, and maybe you can give them your perspective, and you can enhance their perspective. 0.82

01:28:50.000 But saying you're going to go punch them is not going to help anybody.

01:28:53.000 Yeah, I know. 0.98

01:28:54.000 To them, a Nazi is a Trump supporter now.

01:28:56.000 So it's unreal.

01:28:57.000 I've been to a couple places to attack people.

01:28:59.000 My friend Mike Cernovich had a speaking thing in New York.

01:29:02.000 Some guy got put in the hospital, attacked by Antifa trying to come in.

01:29:05.000 Jesus Christ.

01:29:07.000 Well, that was the whole thing with the Proud Boys.

01:29:10.000 That was the original idea that Proud Boys was kind of a joke.

01:29:15.000 And then once he got a bunch of guys to join up, He was talking about it on my podcast, and he was saying, like, we're going to go out and punch these Antifa people.

01:29:25.000 I was like, oh, this doesn't sound like a good idea.

01:29:29.000 Whenever you have, like, a gang, you're creating a gang to go fight this other gang, like, I get the idea that this Antifa thing is a problem, but the solution...

01:29:39.000 I mean, what is the solution?

01:29:40.000 Law enforcement?

01:29:42.000 Intolerance by law enforcement, right?

01:29:43.000 Law enforcement can't be tolerant of it, rather.

01:29:45.000 And they are.

01:29:46.000 Yeah, because actually, when Berkeley, after I saved that guy, I pushed him into a business.

01:29:51.000 They were going to knock the business windows out, but they're like, oh, it's minority-owned. 1.00

01:29:54.000 Don't bust it.

01:29:54.000 That makes a difference.

01:29:56.000 So a bunch of Middle Eastern guys saved him.

01:29:58.000 So then I run out, grab the police.

01:29:59.000 They're still beating other people up to get help, and the cops are just like, oh, we can't go in there.

01:30:03.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:30:04.000 I was in shock.

01:30:05.000 That's when I'm like, what?

01:30:06.000 Yeah, cops can't do a lot if they're not funded.

01:30:09.000 That's the thing, too, right?

01:30:11.000 All this defund the police thing?

01:30:12.000 That was one of the weird things about lefties, is that all of a sudden they wanted to defund the police.

01:30:17.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

01:30:19.000 Yeah, now look at the crime places like San Francisco.

01:30:21.000 They're just getting robbed everywhere.

01:30:22.000 I have friends getting robbed, cars stolen, jacked with guns.

01:30:26.000 It's unreal there now.

01:30:27.000 It's unreal.

01:30:28.000 It's not just unreal.

01:30:28.000 People are leaving the hatch of their car open and leaving their doors unlocked so that people don't smash their windows.

01:30:34.000 Like, people are smashing their windows so much that people are just leaving their doors open.

01:30:37.000 Yeah.

01:30:37.000 There are windows down in cars.

01:30:39.000 It's just signs everywhere.

01:30:41.000 Please don't smash out my window.

01:30:42.000 Yeah.

01:30:42.000 I'm a single mom.

01:30:43.000 I work two jobs.

01:30:44.000 Please don't steal.

01:30:45.000 And then they'll still knock the window out.

01:30:48.000 I saw a guy.

01:30:49.000 There was a video of this guy walking through Brooklyn, and he had a crowbar.

01:30:54.000 And he's just smashing windows.

01:30:56.000 Just walking, smashing windows of people's cars.

01:30:59.000 Yeah.

01:31:00.000 Just randomly.

01:31:01.000 That used to be so rare.

01:31:04.000 If that happened, it was like, what happened? 0.99

01:31:06.000 Some fucking insane person at a crowbar and he walked down the street smashing windows. 0.99

01:31:10.000 Now I see it and I'm like, that kind of fits. 1.00

01:31:13.000 Yeah, because he knows there's no repercussions.

01:31:15.000 Exactly.

01:31:16.000 In San Francisco, the DA will let you out right away.

01:31:19.000 Well, New York, too, and also L.A. L.A.'s got a real problem with that.

01:31:23.000 My friend who's a cop in L.A. was explaining this to me, how much the homicides have gone up and how many he sees.

01:31:33.000 He was just describing it just the other day, all these different people that he saw get shot.

01:31:39.000 Yeah, the defund, defund the police, push by Black Lives Matter, it's mostly black people getting shot more now. 1.00

01:31:44.000 So it's been a complete opposite of what they wanted. 0.62

01:31:46.000 It was that, but it was also a lot of white liberals.

01:31:48.000 It was a cute thing to say.

01:31:50.000 It wouldn't say defund the police. 0.85

01:31:51.000 You know, I'm not saying black people push it.

01:31:53.000 I'm saying that's what it caused to happen. 0.96

01:31:55.000 Right.

01:31:56.000 Because the white liberals are mostly fine. 0.89

01:31:57.000 Well, other than getting robbed in San Francisco. 0.91

01:31:59.000 They get robbed in Beverly Hills, too.

01:32:01.000 Yeah, people getting robbed for their watches.

01:32:05.000 Getting robbed having brunch.

01:32:06.000 They're trying to sit outside and have brunch like you got to realize that those places don't have any security There's a crazy video that Kolyon Noir do you know he has the he's a he's a lawyer who's also a Second Amendment advocate and Like a really good one.

01:32:23.000 I think I may have seen a few minutes of him on your show.

01:32:26.000 Yeah, he's been on my show a couple times and Very very good guy to talk to about all things gun related and all things like Problem in crime really cuz he's very rational about it.

01:32:36.000 He's a lawyer, but he sent this video We put up this video of these gang members who are leaving LA cuz it's too dangerous Too dangerous for the gang members Wow And I was like, what?

01:32:48.000 And I sent this to a bunch of friends, because the guy who was a former gang member, who was a very well-respected guy in that community, was talking about how he's got to get the fuck out of LA, because all these people are going to get let out of jail, and as bad as it is now...

01:33:03.000 He goes like, it's bad now, but it's going to get worse. 0.97

01:33:06.000 He's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. 0.96

01:33:07.000 Yeah, they're letting people out of jail that don't belong out of jail. 0.98

01:33:09.000 Like I saw yesterday, a guy shot 10 people in, I think it was South Carolina, out in $25,000 bail.

01:33:15.000 Yeah.

01:33:15.000 Cain Velasquez is sitting in jail with a Nobel.

01:33:19.000 Now, how is that possible?

01:33:20.000 How come they don't let him out?

01:33:22.000 Yeah, I think maybe he should have charges and have to deal with it, but he should be out on bail.

01:33:26.000 There's no reason why he doesn't have a bail.

01:33:28.000 Well, he's not out, but the guy who raped his child is out. 0.99

01:33:33.000 This is disgusting. 0.99

01:33:34.000 Which is insane. 0.98

01:33:35.000 That's insane.

01:33:36.000 Yeah, right?

01:33:37.000 That you can let that guy out because of this insanely horrific act that he did, and then this other guy who responds like, if you...

01:33:46.000 Look, I'm not justifying what he did.

01:33:48.000 I'm not saying he should be shooting guns randomly, you know, driving down the street trying to shoot out the window at this guy.

01:33:53.000 But...

01:33:55.000 Everybody, you're a father.

01:33:57.000 Yeah, I'm a father of a daughter, so I get it.

01:33:59.000 All of us would say, that's what I would do. 1.00

01:34:02.000 Everybody would say, I'd fucking kill him. 1.00

01:34:03.000 And Cain actually went out and tried to do it. 1.00

01:34:05.000 He did what we say we would do.

01:34:06.000 I don't know if I actually would or not, but we all say it.

01:34:09.000 Could you imagine Cain Velasquez chasing you?

01:34:11.000 Oh my god!

01:34:12.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:34:13.000 That's the only thing that I said that like, I wish he just pulled them out of the car and beat them to death. 0.95

01:34:17.000 Like if anyone in the whole world chasing me, Kane would probably be like the last guy I would want.

01:34:21.000 He's just like a scary dude.

01:34:23.000 Scary dude.

01:34:23.000 And doesn't get tired either.

01:34:25.000 Yeah.

01:34:25.000 You know?

01:34:27.000 There's guys that I put in that category of like greatest in the division of all time.

01:34:34.000 You know, there's like GSP as a welterweight.

01:34:36.000 Usman as a welterweight.

01:34:38.000 But when you get to heavyweight, Man, primetime Kane. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Primetime Kane was a motherfucker. 1.00

01:34:45.000 I think he might have been the greatest. 1.00

01:34:46.000 My only problem was he didn't hold it long enough.

01:34:48.000 So it's hard to give someone that when you don't hold it for a longer period of time.

01:34:51.000 Didn't hold it long enough and he never fought Fedor.

01:34:53.000 That would have been the fight.

01:34:54.000 Imagine those two in their prime.

01:34:56.000 We almost had it.

01:34:58.000 We almost had it.

01:34:59.000 The Russians were in negotiation with the UFC. You know, the guys who were managing Fedor.

01:35:05.000 I saw them.

01:35:06.000 They were out of UFC once, and they had conversations with them.

01:35:09.000 And they were trying to make it happen. 0.98

01:35:11.000 Damn, that would be amazing. 0.99

01:35:13.000 Maybe that's a fake memory. 0.99

01:35:14.000 Bellator can do it now after he gets out of jail.

01:35:16.000 A little late, but I'll still watch it.

01:35:17.000 I said I saw him at the UFC and now I'm going over it in my head.

01:35:19.000 I'm like, I think I might have made that up so long ago.

01:35:22.000 I might have false memories about it.

01:35:23.000 Isn't that weird how that can happen?

01:35:24.000 It can happen.

01:35:25.000 Especially with that.

01:35:26.000 I mean, there's so many events.

01:35:28.000 It's so hard. 1.00

01:35:29.000 But those guys that owned Fedor's contract, Fuck, man! 0.99

01:35:34.000 If they had just made that fucking fight, if they had just brought him over, but they wanted a ton of money and they wanted to be part of the promotion, it's like, they knew that Fedor was a legitimate superstar. 1.00

01:35:44.000 And so they, like, in terms of, like, maximizing his amount of money that he can make, It was in their best interest, but they were trying to maximize the money. 0.93

01:35:58.000 So then they took him over to Strikeforce.

01:36:01.000 And then Verdum got him.

01:36:04.000 Who's another guy that, if you want to talk about greatest heavyweights of all time, in my opinion, Fabricio Verdum has to be in the conversation.

01:36:12.000 Has to be.

01:36:13.000 He submitted everybody.

01:36:15.000 He submitted Fedor, Kane, And Nogueira.

01:36:19.000 Yeah.

01:36:20.000 Come on, son.

01:36:21.000 No, he's definitely one of the greatest. 1.00

01:36:22.000 And if you were on top with him, you're in deep shit. 1.00

01:36:28.000 You're in deep shit. 1.00

01:36:29.000 He's one of the rare guys that if he catches you in a triangle, man, you're fucked. 1.00

01:36:35.000 Fabrizio Verdum had a triangle. 1.00

01:36:38.000 Oh my god, his arm bars, everything off his back.

01:36:41.000 Like when he caught Fedor.

01:36:42.000 He caught Fedor with a triangle off his back and everybody's like, oh!

01:36:45.000 It was just shocked, yeah.

01:36:46.000 Same thing when he beat Kane.

01:36:48.000 I was live at that one.

01:36:49.000 I was just like shocked watching Kane start to guess.

01:36:51.000 That was a bad one because Kane really should have been up there way earlier.

01:36:57.000 Yup.

01:36:57.000 But Doom was smart.

01:36:58.000 Mexico City's extremely high elevation.

01:37:00.000 What, 6,000 feet or something?

01:37:01.000 Plus.

01:37:02.000 When I got there and went for a run, I was like dying.

01:37:04.000 Well, not only that, the air quality is really rugged.

01:37:08.000 Like, that air quality is rough.

01:37:10.000 I took photos when we were landing. 0.98

01:37:11.000 I was looking out the windows like, oh my god, look at the fucking smog. 0.99

01:37:15.000 It's so much worse than L.A. Like, it's fucking bad there. 0.98

01:37:19.000 At least the days that I was there. 0.96

01:37:21.000 And then you have the altitude.

01:37:23.000 You know, Cain went out there like two weeks before, which is not enough.

01:37:27.000 You need like a month.

01:37:29.000 Fabrizio was up there for months.

01:37:31.000 Yeah, it takes a while to adjust.

01:37:32.000 You gotta really acclimate.

01:37:34.000 Like, I can't imagine...

01:37:35.000 They say you should do one of two things.

01:37:38.000 Either you should not go there until right before, or you should be up there for a long time.

01:37:44.000 But those are the only two. 0.92

01:37:45.000 But going there two weeks out actually might fuck you up. 0.97

01:37:48.000 Really? 0.78

01:37:48.000 That's interesting. 0.78

01:37:49.000 Yeah, it actually might slow you down. 0.99

01:37:51.000 Because your body's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:37:52.000 So you're going through all your training, you're not recovering. 0.99

01:37:55.000 Like, it takes a while for your body to get into this high-altitude cycle.

01:37:59.000 I was in Boulder once.

01:38:02.000 And our waiter was an endurance athlete, and he told me he had moved to Boulder just so he could train at altitude.

01:38:09.000 He goes, well, it's also beautiful here, but I'm an athlete.

01:38:11.000 And so we were talking to him, and he does bike races.

01:38:14.000 And I was saying, how long does it take your body to really acclimate?

01:38:19.000 He goes, really acclimate?

01:38:20.000 Four years.

01:38:21.000 Jesus.

01:38:22.000 And I was like, what?

01:38:23.000 And he goes, yeah. 0.98

01:38:24.000 He goes, it takes a long fucking time to get used to there being no oxygen. 0.96

01:38:28.000 And so there's short-term benefits, but to get the Full benefit. 0.98

01:38:32.000 Years.

01:38:32.000 He was like, years.

01:38:33.000 I don't know if he's right.

01:38:34.000 Will he hold that for years, probably, too?

01:38:36.000 Or you don't really know?

01:38:37.000 I don't know.

01:38:37.000 I don't think so.

01:38:38.000 I don't think you hold it very long.

01:38:39.000 That's the scary thing.

01:38:40.000 I think when you train at altitude and you come back down to sea level for a couple weeks, I think it all goes away. 0.94

01:38:45.000 Yeah, that's what sucks.

01:38:46.000 See if, like...

01:38:48.000 Google, how long does it take to maximize the benefits of training at altitude?

01:38:53.000 How many years?

01:38:54.000 Google that.

01:38:55.000 How many years does it take to maximize the benefits of training at altitude?

01:38:59.000 Because I always wanted to look this up because that's one of those things where someone says it to you, you just take it as gospel.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:04.000 You just believe it without looking it up.

01:39:06.000 He was a serious dude, though.

01:39:07.000 He was serious about all aspects of his training.

01:39:11.000 He was telling us about his recovery, how he does this and how he does that. 0.98

01:39:15.000 I mean, he was like a fucking gung-ho endurance athlete. 0.98

01:39:18.000 That's a different kind of person, man. 0.99

01:39:20.000 Yeah, I don't know who would want to do that.

01:39:23.000 Like those 100-mile runs?

01:39:25.000 Oh, that's my buddy Cam and my two friends, David Goggins, too.

01:39:28.000 He's an animal.

01:39:29.000 He just keeps doing them. 0.80

01:39:31.000 David Goggins did them on destroyed knees, too.

01:39:33.000 The 100-mile ones?

01:39:34.000 Yeah, he's done a shitload of 100 miles.

01:39:37.000 I think Goggins might have done like 20 hundred miles in a month or something like that.

01:39:41.000 Yeah, I feel like you've got to have something wrong with you to do that.

01:39:43.000 Oh, he's got something wrong with them.

01:39:44.000 Or our friend John Joseph, he does all those runs, too.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:48.000 He does a lot of those Ironmans.

01:39:51.000 Yeah, Goggins is a lot wrong with him, but it's all right.

01:39:54.000 It's wrong, but it's right.

01:39:56.000 It's not that there's anything wrong. 0.98

01:39:58.000 It's just that if you want to compare him to a regular person, he doesn't give a fuck about pain. 0.99

01:40:05.000 He doesn't give a fuck about tired. 1.00

01:40:07.000 He lives and dies in his own mind. 0.99

01:40:09.000 And when he thinks that someone doubts him or that you don't understand how strong he can be, you don't understand how strong his mind can be, If you want to get in a race to the death with that guy...

01:40:21.000 Yeah, I'll pass on that one.

01:40:24.000 Because that's the kind of thing that a guy like Goggins would thrive in.

01:40:27.000 Oh, could you imagine?

01:40:27.000 A race to the death.

01:40:28.000 One of you guys gets murdered after whoever stops. 0.51

01:40:30.000 No, you know what it would be? 1.00

01:40:32.000 You run till you die. 1.00

01:40:34.000 I would just give up right away, be like, ah, chop my head off. 1.00

01:40:37.000 I'm gonna lose this one. 0.91

01:40:38.000 That could be a thing.

01:40:39.000 Like, you know, like, they used to have duels, so if a duel was, like, two guys would agree. 0.98

01:40:43.000 Like, I fucking, you annoy me so much, I'm gonna get a gun, and we're gonna, back to back, we're gonna walk ten feet and shoot at each other. 1.00

01:40:51.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:40:52.000 Like, you're ready to die, maybe you'll shoot me, but I'm gonna fucking at least be able to shoot you like a man, and we're gonna go and do this. 1.00

01:40:58.000 They agreed to do that. 1.00

01:40:59.000 Only 100 years ago, I think.

01:41:01.000 Not that long ago.

01:41:03.000 Wasn't at least one of our presidents involved in something like that?

01:41:06.000 I think so, but if I can't remember who or any deals behind it...

01:41:10.000 One of our presidents was in a duel, right, while he was president.

01:41:13.000 Do you remember who it was?

01:41:14.000 He killed Alexander Hamilton.

01:41:15.000 Really?

01:41:16.000 That was like the whole thing.

01:41:17.000 But was he even president?

01:41:19.000 Hold on.

01:41:20.000 Wait, hold on.

01:41:21.000 Alexander Hamilton died in a duel?

01:41:25.000 Hamilton wasn't president, remember?

01:41:27.000 We talked about him the other day.

01:41:28.000 Drink milk commercials, like Aaron Burr.

01:41:30.000 I can't say Aaron Burr.

01:41:32.000 Huh?

01:41:33.000 It was an Old Mill commercial from the 90s.

01:41:35.000 It was a radio call.

01:41:37.000 If you answer this question, you win a million dollars.

01:41:40.000 Who killed Alexander Hamilton?

01:41:41.000 They call it the Alexander Hamilton guy. 1.00

01:41:43.000 He's got all this shit in his apartment. 1.00

01:41:45.000 And his mouth is full of a peanut butter jelly sandwich. 1.00

01:41:47.000 You can't say Aaron Burr.

01:41:49.000 Oh, that's right.

01:41:51.000 I forgot about that commercial.

01:41:53.000 But, as I'm saying it out loud, I feel like he wasn't president.

01:41:56.000 No, he wasn't.

01:41:56.000 We talked about it the other day.

01:41:57.000 Remember someone brought up that- who was it that brought that up?

01:42:00.000 That he had gotten blackmailed?

01:42:04.000 I think it was Andrew Jackson, maybe?

01:42:05.000 Did he kill- But he got- but Hamilton got blackmailed because he was banging this lady and her and her husband set him up.

01:42:13.000 Remember?

01:42:13.000 Right, right, right.

01:42:13.000 Yeah, because that's the play.

01:42:14.000 Who talked to us about that?

01:42:15.000 It was real recently.

01:42:17.000 It was one of the recent guests. 0.99

01:42:21.000 Who the fuck was it? 0.99

01:42:22.000 Omar? 1.00

01:42:22.000 Was it? 1.00

01:42:23.000 Probably.

01:42:24.000 Might have been.

01:42:24.000 Sounded like something he would talk about.

01:42:26.000 How many of these, you do what, two or three podcasts a week?

01:42:29.000 Sometimes four.

01:42:30.000 Sometimes five on a crazy week.

01:42:32.000 And how much do you do in comedy?

01:42:35.000 This week, four.

01:42:37.000 Four nights a week.

01:42:38.000 By the way, your show killed it when I was out there last time.

01:42:41.000 Oh, thanks, brother.

01:42:41.000 And all your openers.

01:42:42.000 You had great guys, too.

01:42:44.000 President Andrew Jackson, thank you.

01:42:46.000 May 30th, 1806, future President Andrew Jackson kills a man who accused him of cheating on a horse race bet and then insulted his wife, Rachel.

01:42:56.000 Wow!

01:42:57.000 I think he had a lot of duels.

01:42:59.000 Oh, he had a lot of duels!

01:43:00.000 Yeah, a few duels, no big deal.

01:43:01.000 More than a hundred.

01:43:03.000 What?

01:43:04.000 Can you imagine Biden or Trump doing a duel?

01:43:06.000 What?

01:43:07.000 Not every duel ended in someone.

01:43:08.000 I remember looking this up.

01:43:08.000 Not every duel ended in someone dying.

01:43:10.000 Click on that.

01:43:11.000 Of course not.

01:43:11.000 They had terrible guns.

01:43:12.000 Their guns were terrible.

01:43:13.000 A hundred duel.

01:43:14.000 That's just insane.

01:43:15.000 That's insane. 0.99

01:43:15.000 He was a savage. 0.99

01:43:16.000 I think he even had one where he got shot and survived the shooting to end up shooting that guy back. 0.97

01:43:22.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:43:23.000 And look at our presidents now.

01:43:24.000 We had guys like that and Teddy Roosevelt.

01:43:26.000 And now what?

01:43:26.000 Did you see the video today of Biden?

01:43:29.000 He starts talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan and an Easter bunny comes and takes him away.

01:43:34.000 I'm looking that up after the show.

01:43:36.000 I'll show it to you during the show.

01:43:38.000 It's just the funny part of people that can't admit something's wrong with them.

01:43:41.000 Look at this.

01:43:41.000 Hold on.

01:43:42.000 Go right there.

01:43:43.000 But Jackson didn't settle a score in 140 characters or less.

01:43:46.000 He challenged his foes to duels, more than a hundred of them.

01:43:50.000 One opponent even died, so he only killed one guy.

01:43:53.000 But that was a guy who insulted his wife.

01:43:55.000 However, for the most part, people would stand and fire their gun in the air, purposefully miss their opponent, making the duel more about a test of courage when one's honor was at stake or their reputation was threatened.

01:44:08.000 Oh, that's interesting. 1.00

01:44:09.000 If you back down, then you're a giant pussy. 1.00

01:44:11.000 But you don't shoot at each other. 1.00

01:44:12.000 You make a deal.

01:44:13.000 I barely miss. 0.98

01:44:14.000 I'm not going to shoot you.

01:44:15.000 Maybe that's what you were hoping. 1.00

01:44:17.000 Yeah, that's a fucking... 1.00

01:44:19.000 That's quite a risk to take. 1.00

01:44:20.000 That's a big risk.

01:44:21.000 Hope Joe doesn't shoot me in our duel.

01:44:23.000 Yeah, I insulted Rachel. 0.99

01:44:25.000 What does it say there again?

01:44:26.000 Scroll up.

01:44:27.000 It says, not every time Jackson lost his cool with a gun in his hand is documented, but here are four that helped him...

01:44:34.000 Helped give him his reputation as a rage-filled lunatic and a few that left his body rattling like a bag of marbles.

01:44:41.000 Oh, so he had like... 0.90

01:44:42.000 That was the thing.

01:44:43.000 If you got shot back then, the velocity of those little muskets, that is not like getting shot today. 1.00

01:44:50.000 I don't think those things are going that fast.

01:44:52.000 You're probably less likely to die.

01:44:54.000 You might be able to catch one.

01:44:56.000 And this is the guy they selected as president.

01:44:58.000 Things have always been crazy, apparently.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:00.000 That's a wild dude.

01:45:02.000 With his pistols.

01:45:03.000 But back then, I feel like gunfights were probably pretty normal, you know? 0.98

01:45:07.000 Yeah, if someone insults you, go shoot it out.

01:45:09.000 And maybe they will become again.

01:45:11.000 So when did it stop?

01:45:13.000 When they've stopped, yeah.

01:45:15.000 Probably like in the 1900s, early 1900s, maybe World War I, brought everybody together.

01:45:20.000 But if you think of the United States and you go to the 1800s, what do you think of?

01:45:23.000 You think of Wild West, think of gunfights.

01:45:25.000 If you think of New York City, you think of gangs in New York, right?

01:45:29.000 Here's the one I remember reading about this.

01:45:31.000 He had gotten shot close to his heart and still had the wherewithal to...

01:45:36.000 I think?

01:45:59.000 Protocol required stated that Dickinson to remain in place while Jackson aimed to take his shot.

01:46:07.000 Jackson fired, but the flint hammer stopped half-cocked, not counting as a legitimate shot.

01:46:13.000 Jackson aimed again.

01:46:24.000 Whoa.

01:46:38.000 It's a hardcore man.

01:46:40.000 That's a president right there.

01:46:42.000 Yeah, right?

01:46:43.000 Things sure have changed.

01:46:44.000 He died later that night.

01:46:45.000 Jackson was not prosecuted for murder.

01:46:46.000 And Dickinson would be the only man he ever killed in a duel.

01:46:50.000 Something that did not prevent him from becoming president in 1829. People might not have believed the story either, too, you know?

01:46:58.000 How that story maybe not got around.

01:47:00.000 Right, there's no video.

01:47:02.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 Yeah, it's hard.

01:47:03.000 You've got to be accountable to duels today. 0.79

01:47:05.000 I already killed someone. 0.86

01:47:07.000 Right. 0.90

01:47:07.000 He had more than a hundred duels. 0.90

01:47:09.000 A hundred kills.

01:47:10.000 Yeah, a hundred duels. 1.00

01:47:11.000 Like, he might be an asshole. 1.00

01:47:12.000 Right. 1.00

01:47:13.000 Like, how many people is he arguing with to the point where they're pulling guns out?

01:47:15.000 That's a lot.

01:47:16.000 A hundred.

01:47:16.000 Right?

01:47:16.000 I think maybe like two or three.

01:47:18.000 Maybe it's them.

01:47:19.000 If it's a hundred, it's probably you. 1.00

01:47:21.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:47:22.000 If he's famous, he probably was getting challenged a lot too, you know? 1.00

01:47:24.000 People drunk at a bar.

01:47:26.000 There's that Andrew Jackson. 0.99

01:47:27.000 Yeah, with shitty booze too. 0.99

01:47:30.000 Imagine how bad their whiskey tasted. 1.00

01:47:32.000 Yeah, like look, there's just a group of guys and they're like, fuck, I'll fucking fight them. 1.00

01:47:35.000 Yeah, they're probably so bored. 1.00

01:47:37.000 They'll fight anybody back then.

01:47:39.000 No TV, no internet.

01:47:41.000 And everybody smelled.

01:47:42.000 No soap.

01:47:44.000 Everybody stunk. 1.00

01:47:45.000 Everybody had their teeth were rotting out their fucking heads. 1.00

01:47:48.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:47:49.000 Imagine living back then.

01:47:51.000 Everybody must have stunk.

01:47:52.000 Yeah, well things were so bad people would be like, hey, let's just try like trucking across to the other part of the country.

01:47:56.000 We have no idea.

01:47:57.000 In a wagon.

01:47:58.000 We might get killed by Indians, bears. 1.00

01:48:00.000 Yeah, they would fly or rather sail in from across the ocean.

01:48:06.000 Not even knowing what's out there.

01:48:07.000 No idea.

01:48:08.000 Probably gonna die, but better than staying here.

01:48:10.000 That's the difference between people then and people today.

01:48:13.000 People are scared to take a plane flight somewhere when you have absolute video of what's going on over there, who the people are.

01:48:23.000 Back then, man, that's a different kind of human that gets on a boat without even a...

01:48:28.000 How do I know for sure?

01:48:30.000 No assurance.

01:48:31.000 How do I know it's good over there?

01:48:33.000 I'll draw you a picture.

01:48:35.000 Like, it's a completely different kind of world. 0.97

01:48:38.000 Like, when they first experienced their first winter in the Northeast, they must have been like, what the fuck did we do?

01:48:44.000 Yeah, and why didn't they start walking down at that point? 0.91

01:48:46.000 Right.

01:48:47.000 Like, why would they stay there?

01:48:48.000 They just didn't know.

01:48:49.000 They probably thought the whole continent was like that.

01:48:51.000 Yeah.

01:48:52.000 You know?

01:48:52.000 I mean, if they landed in the Bahamas, that's probably when they got the word out.

01:48:56.000 Like, listen, it never gets cold.

01:48:57.000 It's nice.

01:48:58.000 Yeah, whoever hit Florida was like, uh, what are you guys talking about?

01:49:01.000 It's cold?

01:49:01.000 What?

01:49:02.000 When?

01:49:02.000 It's great over here.

01:49:03.000 When they hit Florida...

01:49:06.000 There's that book about Cabeza de Vaca.

01:49:09.000 What is it?

01:49:10.000 A Place So Strange?

01:49:12.000 Is that it?

01:49:13.000 I think that's the name of the book, A Place So Strange.

01:49:18.000 But it's about Cabeza de Vaca and the group that came with him that made it across through Florida and into North America.

01:49:25.000 It's like... 1.00

01:49:26.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

01:49:28.000 Like, living back then was insane. 1.00

01:49:29.000 Yeah, just wild.

01:49:30.000 Insane.

01:49:31.000 Some wild stuff to read is about the conquistadors when they first came in.

01:49:34.000 I've read some of that.

01:49:35.000 It's just wild.

01:49:36.000 It's not that long ago, man.

01:49:37.000 Yeah, just so wild.

01:49:38.000 It seems like a long-ass time ago.

01:49:40.000 But, like, I had this bit in my act about when the Constitution, when the country was founded.

01:49:46.000 The country was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100. I'm like, that's three people ago.

01:49:53.000 Jesus.

01:49:54.000 That's all it is.

01:49:57.000 1776 seems like a long time ago, but that's not even a trick of numbers.

01:50:02.000 It's not that long ago.

01:50:04.000 The amount of time, basically, because it's 1542 is when Cabeza de Vaca came through.

01:50:08.000 So, like, take 1776, reverse back the same amount of time from here, from now to 1776, and that was, like, the first person across North America, to the Atlantic to get over here.

01:50:18.000 Yeah, it's so wild.

01:50:19.000 Nuts! 0.70

01:50:20.000 And now look at this country, like, just how crazy it is, how big, how massive, the massive cities, like, how fast things change.

01:50:27.000 Imagine if you could show that to someone who was like a Native American tribal leader in like 1820, who was just like conquering the plains, like some Comanche tribal chief who had conquered this area.

01:50:41.000 This was all Comanche territory. 1.00

01:50:43.000 And you were going to tell him, bro, I got some bad news for you. 1.00

01:50:47.000 This shit's about to get crazy. 0.99

01:50:50.000 Unrecognizable. 1.00

01:50:50.000 Imagine showing him, like, what would... 1.00

01:50:54.000 People that didn't...

01:50:55.000 They hadn't lost to the Europeans yet, right? 0.87

01:50:57.000 The Europeans hadn't come over and given them diseases and genocide and all that.

01:51:02.000 That hadn't happened yet.

01:51:04.000 Imagine going to one of those people and explaining to them what it's gonna be like in 300 years.

01:51:09.000 They would think you were crazy.

01:51:10.000 Kind of like that snake blood and the virus.

01:51:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:13.000 They're like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:51:15.000 Disney World's gonna be here. 0.99

01:51:16.000 Disney World.

01:51:17.000 Right here.

01:51:18.000 Right where you're standing.

01:51:19.000 Right where you're standing.

01:51:19.000 People dressed as a mouse.

01:51:21.000 Yeah.

01:51:22.000 And then in the future, people are gonna be mad at them because they're too woke.

01:51:26.000 And their stock's gonna go down.

01:51:28.000 Like, stock!

01:51:29.000 Yeah, what is that? 0.81

01:51:30.000 Imagine trying to talk to a person in 1720 and telling them, 1720, dude, 300 years from now, it is gonna be fucking crazy.

01:51:39.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:51:40.000 Think about the only 300 years.

01:51:41.000 300 years!

01:51:41.000 Where will it be in 300 years?

01:51:43.000 Will it be that big of a change?

01:51:44.000 Hopefully not.

01:51:45.000 I think it's gonna be even bigger.

01:51:48.000 I really do.

01:51:49.000 Yeah, Elon will have those things in our brain.

01:51:51.000 100%.

01:51:52.000 There's a funny meme.

01:51:54.000 Somebody put up a funny meme of the difference between the way people look at Elon and people look at other people that propose terrible ideas.

01:52:04.000 How forward is this to Jamie?

01:52:06.000 All right.

01:52:07.000 How forward is this to Jamie?

01:52:09.000 I made a screenshot.

01:52:11.000 But it's just... 1.00

01:52:14.000 Any other time when a person is, you know, literally saying, I want to put a fucking chip in your brain. 1.00

01:52:22.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:52:23.000 Bill Gates, let's make more vaccines. 0.85

01:52:25.000 And then the people are like, no!

01:52:27.000 You will put microchips in our bodies and track us.

01:52:30.000 And then Elon Musk says, I will literally put a microchip in your brain.

01:52:34.000 And the guy says, LMAO. Nice.

01:52:37.000 It's definitely interesting because a lot of truth to that.

01:52:41.000 Oh, 100%.

01:52:41.000 Me too, man.

01:52:43.000 Yeah, that's such a wild dude.

01:52:44.000 I'm going to be in.

01:52:45.000 I'm going to get a Neuralink. 0.99

01:52:47.000 I'm going to be the smartest person in my fucking house because they're all going to go second. 1.00

01:52:51.000 I'm going to go first because they're all going to go, Dad, don't do it. 1.00

01:52:54.000 I'm going to be like, shut up. 0.97

01:52:55.000 I'm trying to get smart. 1.00

01:52:56.000 I'm going to be smarter than all of you.

01:52:57.000 What if kids figure out how to hack their parents' Neuralinks?

01:52:59.000 They will.

01:53:00.000 They will.

01:53:00.000 They'll control me.

01:53:01.000 All of a sudden, I'll be telling them they can come home whenever they want.

01:53:04.000 Jamie will be out of a job when you get your Neuralink.

01:53:06.000 Why?

01:53:08.000 He's got to connect to my Neuralink.

01:53:10.000 That's the only way it works.

01:53:11.000 That's right.

01:53:11.000 I'm lazy still.

01:53:12.000 True.

01:53:13.000 I still need Jamie.

01:53:14.000 I'm not going to be Googling things on the spot.

01:53:15.000 I see dudes doing that.

01:53:16.000 Some podcasts, like dudes have a laptop right in front of them.

01:53:19.000 I'm like, how can you still talk?

01:53:21.000 Yeah, they need to hire an assistant.

01:53:22.000 It's a lot.

01:53:23.000 The problem is you're not fully focused on talking while you're typing.

01:53:29.000 You can't listen and type.

01:53:31.000 Believe me, I've tried.

01:53:32.000 It's impossible to be reading and listening at the same time.

01:53:37.000 You know what the worst is?

01:53:38.000 If you're talking and someone's talking in your ear, that's impossible.

01:53:43.000 Oh yeah, I know what you mean.

01:53:44.000 Literally impossible.

01:53:46.000 That is so hard.

01:53:47.000 Because if you're in the middle of talking and someone is talking at you at the same time, it's so hard to just ignore that sound.

01:53:55.000 Yeah, it's not easy. 0.86

01:53:56.000 If you're talking about earphones, if you're doing commentary and someone's talking while you're talking, It fucks you up.

01:54:02.000 Have you ever tried one of those apps where it recreates that, where you try to tell someone something, and you have headphones in, and it jarbles your speech?

01:54:11.000 Oh, really?

01:54:12.000 So you don't even know what you're saying?

01:54:14.000 It's like this situation right now, but what you're hearing back in your headphones will be your words just messed up.

01:54:22.000 Oh, so you would hear like an amplified version.

01:54:25.000 Even though you're talking, the words are being blah, blah, blah.

01:54:28.000 Correct.

01:54:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:54:29.000 And it plays back for you.

01:54:31.000 I don't know how to talk anymore. 0.99

01:54:32.000 Yeah, it's fucked up. 0.99

01:54:33.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

01:54:33.000 What is that app called? 0.99

01:54:34.000 I'll check it real quick.

01:54:36.000 It's almost like a game.

01:54:37.000 Yeah, it sounds like a fun exercise.

01:54:39.000 We've got an app for everything.

01:54:42.000 Literally, man.

01:54:43.000 I mean, there's so many people that are thinking there's too much already and, you know, we're on the precipice of something like a neural link.

01:54:51.000 There's so many people that are like, I need a flip phone.

01:54:54.000 So many people that are like, I need to disconnect.

01:54:56.000 And the metaverse and the, yeah, it's weird.

01:54:57.000 I hope never live in the metaverse, but unfortunately it might be the future.

01:55:01.000 We're gonna, it's gonna have to.

01:55:03.000 You know, the thing about the metaverse is like, what if the metaverse existed and you could do jujitsu pain-free?

01:55:11.000 And go do cage fights again.

01:55:13.000 Yeah!

01:55:13.000 I mean, imagine, right?

01:55:15.000 If, like, the problem with biological tissue is it gets damaged, it doesn't heal right, and then your knees are fucked, your back's fucked, your brain's fucked, but if there was none of that, but all of the sensation I mean, yeah, it'd be pretty cool. 0.96

01:55:29.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 So I guess they'll probably, there'll be some good things, but overall it'll be weird.

01:55:32.000 It's gonna be weird.

01:55:33.000 Like guys will just start dating girls in the metaverse.

01:55:36.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:55:37.000 You won't even know if it's a girl.

01:55:38.000 It'd be like some Russian general who's pretending to be a girl.

01:55:42.000 And this is your girlfriend.

01:55:43.000 And that's your girlfriend. 1.00

01:55:44.000 Yeah.

01:55:44.000 And you make love to each other in the metaverse.

01:55:47.000 Yeah, so he looks hot in the metaverse.

01:55:50.000 Right, and then the people would be bigoted against, like, are you a trans network?

01:55:56.000 Like, you should, like, I don't like to make out with people in the metaverse if in real life they're a straight man. 1.00

01:56:02.000 Like, fuck you. 1.00

01:56:04.000 What's wrong with you, bigot? 1.00

01:56:05.000 Yeah, there's our future.

01:56:07.000 That's our future.

01:56:08.000 People will find things to argue about for sure.

01:56:10.000 Oh yeah, 100%.

01:56:11.000 Yeah.

01:56:13.000 I'm not looking forward to it.

01:56:15.000 Yeah, we'll probably be hiding out in Montana trying to resist it.

01:56:18.000 I'm worried that what's going to happen is some people are going to control aspects of the metaverse the same way people control social media sites and enforce their own standards, especially when those standards are very biased towards one political party or one ideological.

01:56:37.000 Which, yeah, like Twitter and Facebook, yeah, censorship.

01:56:40.000 If that happens in the metaverse, what if that's how it is in the metaverse?

01:56:44.000 What if they dictate very specific styles of life and the way you want to live?

01:56:51.000 You can't live there.

01:56:52.000 You can't do it that way.

01:56:53.000 They won't let you.

01:56:53.000 They'll find you.

01:56:54.000 They'll hunt you down.

01:56:55.000 The same way they kick you off of YouTube, they'll hunt you down the metaverse.

01:56:58.000 It's not even real!

01:56:59.000 Yeah, I never even thought about this, but you're probably right.

01:57:01.000 The same people that are doing that are the same ones running Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, on the side of what you can talk about.

01:57:06.000 They could literally be the masters of the world.

01:57:09.000 If you're in control of an actual metaverse, so if they create a virtual reality that is amazing, maybe even more vivid than this reality that we're currently experiencing, but they have absolute control over it.

01:57:24.000 They're dictators in this world.

01:57:26.000 They can do whatever they want to.

01:57:29.000 It's wild.

01:57:31.000 It turns like the Matrix, which we're not that far off.

01:57:35.000 I don't think it's far off at all.

01:57:37.000 I think it's going to sneak up on us.

01:57:39.000 The same way phones snuck up on us.

01:57:41.000 Well, internet.

01:57:41.000 When we were kids, there was like no internet around.

01:57:43.000 And now it's like everything.

01:57:45.000 It snuck up on us.

01:57:47.000 And I think this virtual reality world that people are inevitably going to enter, because what's going to happen is they're going to make a version that's simple and easy to use, and it's going to be better than real life.

01:58:00.000 That's all that needs to happen.

01:58:01.000 Especially a lot of people that are not social, not that cool, don't have a lot of friends, so it's different.

01:58:05.000 You have your comedy clubs, your circle, you go out, you get treated great everywhere.

01:58:09.000 A lot of people don't.

01:58:10.000 Right.

01:58:10.000 And they don't enjoy their lives and they don't like what they look like.

01:58:17.000 They don't like how they feel.

01:58:18.000 They don't like their past.

01:58:20.000 All those things are fixable if the metaverse is real.

01:58:24.000 Yeah, it's understandable.

01:58:26.000 You could see why someone, you know, had things going tough.

01:58:28.000 They're not like that anymore.

01:58:29.000 Yeah.

01:58:31.000 It would be wild.

01:58:32.000 You could live other lives.

01:58:34.000 You could, like, decide that I'm going to be a sailor.

01:58:37.000 I'm going to sail around the world in the metaverse.

01:58:40.000 You don't even have to leave anywhere.

01:58:41.000 Now I'm kind of wanting the metaverse.

01:58:42.000 I'm going to have to try this out.

01:58:43.000 Right?

01:58:43.000 I mean, if you had, like...

01:58:45.000 Imagine if... 0.99

01:58:49.000 You can just plug yourself in and all of a sudden you are fucking scuba diving. 0.99

01:58:53.000 Like, all of a sudden. 0.99

01:58:54.000 Like, it feels like scuba diving, but you're still in Brooklyn.

01:58:57.000 You're still in your apartment.

01:58:58.000 You're chilling in your apartment. 0.97

01:58:59.000 But you have this, you know, fucking 86 terabyte video connection that's allowing you to, you know, the bandwidth is insanity and the processing power is insanity. 0.96

01:59:11.000 It's indistinguishable from real life. 0.94

01:59:13.000 And you can just plug into it.

01:59:14.000 Yeah, you can see why people would be intrigued.

01:59:17.000 The problem is people aren't going to want to live the real life.

01:59:19.000 So once that can happen, people will probably stop dating, stop going out.

01:59:22.000 Civilization could collapse.

01:59:23.000 It really could.

01:59:25.000 Because, you know, the real life is fine if you look like Nicky Rodriguez.

01:59:29.000 Yeah, I'm sure that guy's living life fine.

01:59:32.000 Like 6'4", chiseled, jacked. 0.96

01:59:34.000 Jacked! 0.99

01:59:35.000 Perfect specimen.

01:59:36.000 That guy's life is great.

01:59:37.000 Right?

01:59:38.000 Yeah. 0.65

01:59:38.000 But some short, fat guy, life isn't great. 0.65

01:59:40.000 He's not Nicky Rodriguez.

01:59:42.000 Right.

01:59:43.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:59:44.000 So it's like, if you wanted to be that guy, and you could be that guy in The Matrix, or you could be Captain fucking Schlub in the real world where nobody likes you. 0.91

01:59:53.000 I'll be Nicky Rodriguez. 1.00

01:59:54.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:59:55.000 Sign me up. 1.00

01:59:56.000 But that's what's gonna be weird, is like when anybody can be Nick Rodriguez, or anybody can be The Rock, or anybody, you know, anybody can be- Anyone can be you.

02:00:04.000 Yeah, anybody can be a person that they wish they were.

02:00:09.000 That's when things are gonna get very strange, because if they can give you a life, if you can be Indiana fuckin' Jones, And you could literally be in the Temple of Doom, stealing the crystal skull or whatever.

02:00:21.000 You could be that guy.

02:00:22.000 Like, you could live that.

02:00:23.000 Like, why would you go to regular life?

02:00:26.000 You would just do whatever you have to do to make money, to live like that.

02:00:30.000 Yeah, I mean, even like me, my life's great, but that sounds interesting.

02:00:34.000 So imagine someone who's not.

02:00:36.000 It's going to be, they won't be able to leave it.

02:00:37.000 Right.

02:00:38.000 We detailed how insanely interesting your life has been.

02:00:41.000 And now you're willing to give it all away.

02:00:44.000 And try.

02:00:45.000 I'm ready to sign up for the Metaverse.

02:00:46.000 I wasn't until this conversation, but you sold me.

02:00:49.000 Jake, I think it's going to be impossible to avoid.

02:00:52.000 I really do.

02:00:53.000 And I don't think it's far away.

02:00:56.000 I don't think it's far away at all.

02:00:57.000 I think it might be 20 at the most.

02:01:00.000 But I think within 20 years, I mean, look, dude, 20 years ago was 2002. We all had flip phones.

02:01:06.000 There was no iPhone.

02:01:07.000 It didn't even exist then.

02:01:09.000 And, you know, most of the time we didn't even text each other.

02:01:11.000 We called each other.

02:01:12.000 But still, we thought we were crazy.

02:01:15.000 We had an internet connection.

02:01:16.000 This is crazy.

02:01:17.000 I had a website.

02:01:17.000 This is crazy.

02:01:19.000 I'm living in the future.

02:01:20.000 We didn't even know what the future was.

02:01:21.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 We had no idea.

02:01:23.000 MySpace, you're like, wait, I could just go meet random girls on here?

02:01:25.000 The way that was set up and the way people lived then, we didn't live like, boy, I can't wait until the internet is on my phone at high speed and I can take 4K video and I can upload it to Snapchat.

02:01:41.000 We didn't think like that.

02:01:42.000 Because we didn't know that was a possibility.

02:01:44.000 But now we do.

02:01:45.000 And now we have social media addictions.

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

02:01:47.000 Where people are like legitimately addicted to checking their likes on Instagram and reading Facebook comments and writing things and going back and forth with each other and not even in the real world.

02:01:56.000 Yeah.

02:01:56.000 I had to put a timer on my phone with social media so it would like shut down.

02:01:59.000 That's good.

02:01:59.000 Yeah.

02:02:00.000 Like I'm using this too much.

02:02:01.000 I need to shut this down.

02:02:02.000 Would you give yourself?

02:02:03.000 Like an hour.

02:02:03.000 That's good.

02:02:04.000 An hour is plenty.

02:02:05.000 An hour is plenty.

02:02:06.000 If I'm in an airport or something, maybe I'll like break the rules.

02:02:08.000 But other than that, I'm like, all right, I can't cheat this.

02:02:10.000 Whew.

02:02:11.000 Yeah, an hour is way too much, but you can go through that so quick.

02:02:14.000 It's going to be so addictive, Jake.

02:02:15.000 Wait, my time's up?

02:02:16.000 What if that's in your head and you can, oh, my flight is not for an hour.

02:02:22.000 Let me go to the Bahamas and chill on the beach for 45 minutes and then come back, like in your head.

02:02:28.000 You can be on the beach drinking margaritas, feet up, listening to seagulls.

02:02:32.000 Yeah, why fly to Hawaii?

02:02:33.000 I got to take an eight and a half hour flight there on Thursday.

02:02:35.000 I could just go there that way.

02:02:37.000 Oh, me and the family went to Hawaii.

02:02:38.000 Did you guys go to Hawaii?

02:02:39.000 Well, not really.

02:02:40.000 But we got the Hawaii program.

02:02:42.000 We bought the app for it.

02:02:42.000 We got the Hawaii program, and it was not even half the price of going to Hawaii.

02:02:47.000 And it was so much better.

02:02:48.000 We stayed at the Four Seasons.

02:02:50.000 And everybody was nice.

02:02:53.000 All it has to do is be better.

02:02:55.000 They can make San Francisco nice again.

02:02:57.000 Yeah, clean up all the poop. 1.00

02:02:58.000 Imagine they find out that human shit actually fuels the matrix. 1.00

02:03:02.000 Like, boy, this is amazing. 1.00

02:03:04.000 So San Francisco would be a good place because you could just scoop up all the human shit. 1.00

02:03:08.000 Yeah, it's perfect. 1.00

02:03:10.000 The app that they had in San Francisco that shows where all the bum poop is. 0.98

02:03:15.000 And most of it's not even registered, obviously.

02:03:17.000 It's like everywhere.

02:03:19.000 I mean, you used to go there all the time.

02:03:21.000 It was a great city.

02:03:22.000 I loved it.

02:03:22.000 It was great.

02:03:23.000 I had so many good memories there, and then just to watch it decay, it's like, what happened to this place?

02:03:27.000 It happened so fast, too, man.

02:03:28.000 Yeah.

02:03:29.000 It just shows you how you don't want to run a city.

02:03:31.000 Yeah.

02:03:31.000 It happened from 2016 on.

02:03:33.000 Yeah.

02:03:34.000 It was slowly declining a little before that, but after 2016, it really started dropping.

02:03:38.000 Everyone was so tolerant.

02:03:40.000 It's so tolerant.

02:03:42.000 The thing that did them in was the thing that made them awesome.

02:03:45.000 One of the things that made San Francisco awesome was how tolerant everybody is and open-minded everyone is.

02:03:50.000 It's a very progressive, liberal city, which is great until you add bums. 1.00

02:03:56.000 Yeah.

02:03:56.000 Well, I think also the fentanyl came in, which is stronger than heroin.

02:03:59.000 And then the meth, I think a lot of them are doing meth instead of crack, which lasts a lot longer.

02:04:03.000 So they're on harder drugs.

02:04:04.000 It's completely strung out.

02:04:06.000 Zero repercussions.

02:04:08.000 They're allowed to steal.

02:04:10.000 It's not compassionate.

02:04:11.000 They should be forced into rehab, not allowed to OD on the streets.

02:04:15.000 That's Michael Schellenberger's position.

02:04:17.000 He's a guy who's running for governor now.

02:04:19.000 Oh, really?

02:04:20.000 He worked for George Soros.

02:04:22.000 He's like a progressive politician.

02:04:25.000 But after a while, he realized that these policies are creating these problems.

02:04:29.000 And this idea that you can just live in a place for free and get free money and free food and that you just do drugs.

02:04:38.000 Yeah, it's insane.

02:04:40.000 It's insane because no one's gonna stop doing that.

02:04:41.000 Yeah, I used to be major pro, like all drugs should be legalized, but after seeing that I'm like, okay, there has to be something where there's like forced rehab.

02:04:48.000 Well, the thing is like, I don't think any adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do.

02:04:54.000 I don't believe that.

02:04:56.000 Yeah.

02:04:56.000 I don't believe, like, you and I are adults.

02:04:59.000 Yes. 1.00

02:04:59.000 I'm a little older than you, but we're both grown-ass fucking men with kids. 1.00

02:05:04.000 Yes. 0.99

02:05:04.000 I shouldn't be able to tell you what to do, and you shouldn't be able to tell me what to do. 0.99

02:05:07.000 That's crazy.

02:05:07.000 If Jamie told us both what to do, like, when you go home, I don't want you eating pineapples.

02:05:11.000 Like, why?

02:05:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:05:12.000 It makes no sense.

02:05:13.000 Pineapples are fucking illegal. 1.00

02:05:14.000 They're sacrilegious. 1.00

02:05:15.000 Like, what?

02:05:16.000 Like, that's the difference between, like, someone saying you can't smoke marijuana, but someone saying it's okay to drink vodka.

02:05:23.000 Yeah, makes no sense.

02:05:24.000 Or you can get a prescription for OxyContin.

02:05:26.000 Well, that's...

02:05:27.000 Yeah, I think most drugs, a lot of people can use recreationally and be fine, but there's just, when you see fentanyl and meth, you're like, okay, those two people don't seem to be able to use recreational.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, there's not a lot of meth advocates.

02:05:36.000 Not a casual meth smoker.

02:05:38.000 Yeah.

02:05:39.000 The thing about fentanyl is it's really deadly in very small doses.

02:05:43.000 That's the scariest part about it.

02:05:44.000 It's like, that stuff does people in.

02:05:46.000 And super cheap now.

02:05:48.000 So you can just buy it up for cheap.

02:05:49.000 Well, the amount, you ever seen the amount that kills you?

02:05:52.000 Have you ever seen the image?

02:05:53.000 I know it's like a really small amount.

02:05:55.000 Dude.

02:05:56.000 You're going to freak out.

02:05:57.000 It's so small.

02:05:58.000 Put up the amount of fentanyl that kills you.

02:06:01.000 There's an image of a penny.

02:06:03.000 And next to the penny is, or actually on the penny, I think, is a lethal dose of fentanyl.

02:06:09.000 And it's so small.

02:06:11.000 You're like, that'll kill you?

02:06:12.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:06:13.000 And now they're dosing the cocaine with fentanyl.

02:06:15.000 People are ODing on that.

02:06:17.000 I don't know if you've seen that.

02:06:17.000 Yeah, I have seen that.

02:06:18.000 It's crazy.

02:06:19.000 They're dosing a lot of things.

02:06:21.000 Street Xanax.

02:06:23.000 Street Xanax.

02:06:24.000 I didn't know that was a thing.

02:06:25.000 Yeah, they make fake Xanaxes.

02:06:27.000 Jesus.

02:06:27.000 As I look this up, I feel like we have to grain of salt maybe because I remember seeing all the DEA pictures of weed and they're like, this is $17 million worth of street weed.

02:06:36.000 It's like, no, it's not.

02:06:38.000 Right, that's true.

02:06:39.000 They do the price if you're selling it by a gram.

02:06:41.000 People don't go and sell pounds of weed by the gram.

02:06:44.000 But I think this is the lethal dose, though.

02:06:47.000 And from what I understand, I think it's accurate.

02:06:49.000 Because they did this study on how much more potent it is than heroin.

02:06:55.000 And it's something crazy.

02:06:57.000 Google that.

02:06:58.000 How much more potent is fentanyl than heroin?

02:07:00.000 Even if it's double that, it's still insane.

02:07:02.000 I think it's way...

02:07:03.000 Oh yeah, it was double the amount.

02:07:04.000 So yeah, even if that was off by two times.

02:07:07.000 It's compared to heroin here.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, lethal dose of fentanyl relative to a lethal dose.

02:07:13.000 Yeah, see, that's... 0.99

02:07:14.000 Damn, heroin's not a lot. 0.99

02:07:16.000 That's what I mean. 0.99

02:07:18.000 I have a friend that is a nurse, and they said, like, fentanyl's given to people.

02:07:23.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 They have to be given more than 17 crumbs worth of fentanyl, right?

02:07:28.000 But it's mixed with other things.

02:07:29.000 It's mixed with other things, but they use a very small amount.

02:07:31.000 It's a very, very, very small amount.

02:07:34.000 I don't know why Fat Stone was even invented.

02:07:37.000 It's not like we don't have heroin.

02:07:39.000 Is there a shortage?

02:07:40.000 I think for extreme pain, people that are in really bad pain.

02:07:43.000 But doesn't heroin do the same thing?

02:07:45.000 I think it does.

02:07:46.000 There it is.

02:07:47.000 So that's the size of a lethal dose.

02:07:50.000 Comparison of lethal dose of heroin.

02:07:52.000 What is that word?

02:07:54.000 Which one?

02:07:56.000 Carfentanil.

02:07:58.000 Carfentanil.

02:07:59.000 Carfentanil.

02:07:59.000 Oh, okay.

02:08:00.000 So lethal dose of heroin, carfentanil, and fentanyl.

02:08:04.000 So carfentanil is like...

02:08:06.000 I don't know.

02:08:06.000 I've never heard of it until just now.

02:08:09.000 And there's Fentil in powder form and Fentil in pill and crystal form.

02:08:14.000 Ugh.

02:08:14.000 Jesus.

02:08:16.000 Yeah, it's scary shit, man, because it's coming in from south of the border. 1.00

02:08:20.000 Ugh. 1.00

02:08:20.000 Yeah, it's clearly not a good drug. 1.00

02:08:21.000 People are making a lot of money, and they're getting their precursors for making these things.

02:08:26.000 They're getting them from China, and it's like, whoa. 0.98

02:08:28.000 I think the mess is a lot stronger now, too.

02:08:30.000 Pictures like this remind me of the D.A.R.E. program, and I'm like, that fucked me up so much with all the misinformation on drugs.

02:08:37.000 That is true.

02:08:38.000 Does it say the amount?

02:08:40.000 Because I think it's a crazy amount.

02:08:42.000 It's 100 times more deadly than heroin, or 100 times more potent than heroin.

02:08:48.000 It says it's generally stated to be two milligrams in this article about what the lethal dose was.

02:08:55.000 Does it say what heroin is?

02:08:57.000 And aren't we at like 100,000 ODs a year or something now?

02:09:00.000 Yeah, it's the number one cause of death for young kids between 18 and 49 is fentanyl overdose.

02:09:06.000 Yeah, this is wild.

02:09:06.000 That's nuts.

02:09:07.000 100,000 a year.

02:09:08.000 But meanwhile, how much does it take to overdose?

02:09:14.000 Does it say?

02:09:16.000 Anyway.

02:09:17.000 It's...

02:09:18.000 It's not something that people are thinking about as a...

02:09:21.000 This is 200. 200?

02:09:23.000 As opposed to what?

02:09:25.000 No exact deadly dose.

02:09:26.000 Two to 200, you know, two milligrams it says.

02:09:28.000 Oh, so it is 100. Yeah, so it's 100. Yeah.

02:09:32.000 A hundred times stronger. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:09:35.000 Yeah, it's wild. 1.00

02:09:37.000 And what's the answer?

02:09:38.000 I don't know what the answer is, man, because it's so deadly. 1.00

02:09:40.000 The problem with that is that's so easy to kill you. 1.00

02:09:43.000 If you fuck up, you take the wrong shit, you're done. 1.00

02:09:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:47.000 Overall, I have no answer, but I know in San Francisco they need to arrest the dealers, force the people in rehab.

02:09:52.000 It won't fix it, but it would help a little bit.

02:09:56.000 Again, I don't think adults should be able to tell other adults what to do.

02:10:01.000 The problem with fentanyl is that it's real.

02:10:02.000 Well, they're causing problems.

02:10:04.000 I think that's the exception of them.

02:10:05.000 If you're using fentanyl and you're keeping your life together, then yeah, it shouldn't force you to rehab, which there are functional heroin addicts and whatnot.

02:10:13.000 There's definitely functional heroin addicts, but are there functional fentanyl heads?

02:10:17.000 I have no idea.

02:10:18.000 I guess I don't think people really share the fact that they're using fentanyl.

02:10:21.000 There must be like the OG, the GOAT. For sure.

02:10:24.000 They just know how to use it.

02:10:25.000 The GOAT of fentanyl.

02:10:27.000 There's probably a few people.

02:10:28.000 There's a Joey Diaz of fentanyl out there somewhere.

02:10:29.000 There's a few guys that can use small amounts, don't overdo it.

02:10:33.000 I'm sure it's out there, but it's not the norm.

02:10:35.000 No.

02:10:35.000 But what do you think should be done?

02:10:37.000 Do you think they should make it illegal?

02:10:39.000 I think with fentanyl, they have to.

02:10:41.000 Even most drugs, they don't feel that way.

02:10:42.000 I think they almost have to.

02:10:43.000 And then go after the dealers and force the people using it into rehab.

02:10:47.000 Or maybe force them into rehab for an infraction. 0.88

02:10:49.000 The problem is they let them steal, they let them crap on the street, they let them sleep on the street. 0.97

02:10:53.000 Something's got to be done. 0.97

02:10:54.000 I mean, LA was the same.

02:10:55.000 You see how it's out of control it is.

02:10:57.000 I think also the problem is a lot of these people that get forced into rehab, they don't want to be...

02:11:03.000 Some people do.

02:11:04.000 Some people realize they fucked up, they want to get better, and those people generally do get better. 0.92

02:11:09.000 But the people that you're forcing them in there... 0.85

02:11:12.000 And also, who knows what their childhood was like?

02:11:15.000 Are you forcing them in there because their childhood was horrific?

02:11:19.000 Yeah.

02:11:19.000 Maybe isolate them to an area outside the city where you just give them an area and they can...

02:11:23.000 Yeah.

02:11:24.000 And it's not ideal, but it's better than...

02:11:26.000 Because right now they just run rampant and terrorize the street, terrorize people, and that's clearly not the right answer.

02:11:32.000 No.

02:11:33.000 Well, whatever San Francisco is doing, they should do the opposite.

02:11:36.000 Do the opposite, yeah.

02:11:36.000 Whatever the opposite is.

02:11:37.000 Yeah, just do the opposite of San Francisco is doing.

02:11:39.000 Austin's ran pretty smooth for a liberal city.

02:11:43.000 Well, they definitely cleaned it up when they got rid of the outdoor camping and they've made it a place where they've put a considerable amount of effort into housing homeless people and getting them sheltered and getting them taken care of and getting them counseling.

02:11:57.000 But it's...

02:11:58.000 I talked to the mayor about it.

02:11:59.000 It was like it's...

02:12:01.000 There's a problem in Austin, but it's a problem of like 2,000 plus people.

02:12:05.000 When it gets to LA size, that's when you can't manage.

02:12:09.000 Yeah, they let San Francisco and LA go so far that where would you even begin to tackle it now?

02:12:13.000 I think LA's worse.

02:12:15.000 Have you been to Skid Row?

02:12:17.000 Not in years, luckily, but it was terrible before.

02:12:20.000 I haven't been to it since the Fear Factor days.

02:12:23.000 I was filming Fear Factor down there, but I have friends that have been recently, and they say, you can't even imagine what it looks like now.

02:12:31.000 Have you been to Venice Beach in the last couple years?

02:12:32.000 I haven't, but I've been watching videos.

02:12:34.000 It's wild.

02:12:35.000 It used to be just like so nice, like probably one of the most popular beaches in the world.

02:12:39.000 I went out there and I'm just like, what is going on?

02:12:41.000 This is insane. 1.00

02:12:43.000 They're like crazy people fucking start camping. 1.00

02:12:46.000 There's tents all along the beach now. 1.00

02:12:48.000 And people just might clean that up.

02:12:50.000 Did they?

02:12:51.000 Yeah.

02:12:51.000 Why did they clean that up?

02:12:52.000 I don't know.

02:12:52.000 I just remember when we were there, I'd ask someone and they said, like, here, I'll show you.

02:12:56.000 They said, look at the video of live.

02:12:57.000 It's just live camera.

02:12:58.000 We'll see how long that lasts, though.

02:13:00.000 That's nice.

02:13:01.000 It'll start switching around, too.

02:13:03.000 The camera will switch around?

02:13:04.000 Yeah, it'll show different angles of the boardwalk and whatnot.

02:13:07.000 Yeah, it was there a few months ago and it wasn't cleaned up.

02:13:09.000 Was this a place where there was all tents?

02:13:11.000 Yeah, that's right by the skate park, right?

02:13:12.000 I like the main part.

02:13:14.000 The tents are more further out.

02:13:16.000 Yeah, this is like more in, the tents are further out.

02:13:18.000 What I saw was like on the edge of the water.

02:13:21.000 Exactly. 0.96

02:13:22.000 I'm just saying, I've seen video of this stuff and it's pretty fucking clean. 0.91

02:13:27.000 That's good. 0.96

02:13:28.000 That's great that they cleaned it up.

02:13:29.000 I haven't been to Venice.

02:13:31.000 I'm skeptical.

02:13:33.000 I haven't been in quite a while.

02:13:36.000 But, oh, that looks pretty good.

02:13:38.000 Hold on.

02:13:39.000 That's just the water.

02:13:40.000 Why don't you Google, have they cleaned up the homeless problem in Venice?

02:13:46.000 That looks pretty good. 0.82

02:13:47.000 There's got to be a bunch of crazy people that are still hanging around there.

02:13:49.000 It was really bad in the last couple months, so I found it hard to believe they've cleaned it up.

02:13:52.000 Okay, look at that.

02:13:53.000 That was an area that used to be completely covered in tents.

02:13:58.000 There's probably still a few random people, but there always has been in Venice, you know?

02:14:02.000 That's a lot better.

02:14:03.000 So that's February.

02:14:05.000 That's months ago.

02:14:06.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:06.000 So do you think that all those videos that were out and all the talk about it...

02:14:10.000 Nope.

02:14:12.000 Is that a cop?

02:14:13.000 It's their scanner audio.

02:14:14.000 Live Venice...

02:14:15.000 Oh, interesting.

02:14:15.000 See?

02:14:16.000 Look.

02:14:16.000 That's pretty good.

02:14:17.000 I wonder where they put them. 0.79

02:14:19.000 They killed him.

02:14:20.000 I'm not going to ask any questions.

02:14:22.000 They fed him to the other homeless people.

02:14:23.000 Yeah, what do they do?

02:14:24.000 How do you fix that?

02:14:25.000 I asked Annie because she moved over there. 0.71

02:14:27.000 I was like, well, you moved there.

02:14:28.000 Letterman did?

02:14:28.000 Yeah, I was like, what is it like?

02:14:30.000 She's like, it's fine.

02:14:32.000 I was like, really?

02:14:33.000 Wow.

02:14:34.000 Well, that's good to hear because it was terrible when I was there.

02:14:36.000 If they're able to clean that up, there's some hope for everywhere.

02:14:38.000 Wow.

02:14:39.000 They probably pushed them all into Skid Row or something. 0.99

02:14:41.000 The thing about Skid Row is there's so many fucking people there that you can't imagine. 0.96

02:14:47.000 See if you can find a video of Skid Row like now. 0.99

02:14:53.000 The horrors.

02:14:54.000 Schellenberger was talking about that place, too.

02:14:55.000 Like, the horrors that you would see there.

02:14:57.000 This is actually, I think, the same day, February 11th, 2022. Yeah, that's how it looked when I was there, in Venice.

02:15:02.000 See, this is horrible.

02:15:03.000 This is downtown.

02:15:04.000 This is crazy.

02:15:05.000 I mean, this is tents everywhere.

02:15:06.000 Imagine if that's your business.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, right?

02:15:08.000 That place is right there.

02:15:09.000 That's what some of my friends' businesses in San Francisco are.

02:15:11.000 Like, that's their business, and the tents are right there in front of it.

02:15:13.000 A market.

02:15:14.000 So you have a market, and right in front of the market, you have basically these tent communities, and some of them are like shacks.

02:15:21.000 Like, they build their own shack.

02:15:22.000 Yeah, there's not- Look at that.

02:15:24.000 It's not most people down on this block.

02:15:25.000 It's mostly drug addicts, too.

02:15:26.000 Right, exactly.

02:15:27.000 And why wouldn't they? 0.99

02:15:29.000 If they can just live there, and then go wherever the fuck they want- You might as well smoke fentanyl if you're leaving there. 0.99

02:15:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:35.000 Like, look at these things.

02:15:36.000 These are like shacks. 0.82

02:15:36.000 They get tarps, and they set up posts. 0.82

02:15:39.000 They're like wall tents.

02:15:41.000 It's really wild that they've allowed this to get to this point.

02:15:44.000 And how no one made a course correction.

02:15:46.000 Like, no one said, hey, we've got to fix this.

02:15:49.000 Let's put all our resources...

02:15:50.000 They're not even really talking about fixing it either.

02:15:52.000 It seems to be like no plans of changing direction.

02:15:54.000 They just keep throwing more money at it.

02:15:56.000 And the money makes it worse, because what do they do with the money?

02:15:57.000 I think they just, people at the top steal it.

02:15:59.000 Oh, well, we found that from Coleon Noir, too.

02:16:02.000 Really?

02:16:02.000 Yeah, he was explaining that he went to San Francisco and he was talking to this other guy and he was like, you know, what is it?

02:16:08.000 Is it a budget issue?

02:16:08.000 And the guy was like, no, no, no.

02:16:10.000 No, there's a shitload of money being spent on it.

02:16:13.000 But there's no incentive to fix it because there's all these people that are working on the homeless problem that are making six figures plus.

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:22.000 So there's people that he was showing people that were working in L.A. that were making a quarter million dollars a year.

02:16:26.000 Working on the homeless situation.

02:16:28.000 To fix the homeless, yeah.

02:16:29.000 But the homeless situation is not getting any better, right?

02:16:32.000 It was just getting worse and worse.

02:16:33.000 The numbers were piling up, and these people were making Boku dinero.

02:16:37.000 They were living fat in the hog. 0.97

02:16:39.000 It's going to turn into industry, like the pharmaceutical company is trying to make you healthy.

02:16:42.000 Well, it does become an industry whenever someone can make a living doing something.

02:16:47.000 Like, they have zero incentive to fix it.

02:16:49.000 Because then, what are they going to do?

02:16:50.000 I've got to find another job?

02:16:51.000 Yeah, get paid $250 a year, go make $100K doing something else, I'll pass.

02:16:55.000 I'd be like, slow down, Jake.

02:16:56.000 We don't have to fix all these people.

02:16:57.000 Let's keep these homeless people, Joe. 1.00

02:16:58.000 Let's go recruit some.

02:17:00.000 I'd be recruiting homeless people.

02:17:02.000 I'd be selling fentanyl. 0.99

02:17:04.000 I'd be like, I need more people out here fucked up. 1.00

02:17:07.000 You get a raise. 0.99

02:17:08.000 I need money.

02:17:08.000 More money thrown at it.

02:17:09.000 I'm in the homeless business.

02:17:11.000 Business is good.

02:17:12.000 Yeah, it really is turning into a big business in San Francisco and LA and these places, and that's the problem.

02:17:18.000 I don't know how they fix it at this point.

02:17:20.000 And I think the amount of time that it took from 2016 to 22, how bad it went in six years, how many years does it take for it to get better?

02:17:29.000 You would need a hardliner like Rudy Giuliani there, but San Francisco probably wouldn't put something like that in.

02:17:35.000 But that's the only real hope.

02:17:36.000 Someone just hardline with a hardline police force, a DA, they'd have to all be working together, and then they could clean it up quick, but that's the only solution.

02:17:43.000 Yeah, and then people would get mad. 0.96

02:17:44.000 You fascists! 0.99

02:17:45.000 Yeah, Nazis! 0.99

02:17:46.000 Berkeley would not tolerate that.

02:17:48.000 You don't want to be robbed!

02:17:51.000 They'll literally say things there like, oh, he needed it more than you.

02:17:53.000 Yeah, I've heard that.

02:17:55.000 It's insane.

02:17:56.000 I've heard that.

02:17:57.000 I've heard that argument, you know?

02:17:58.000 If someone robbed you, it's because they needed it more than you.

02:18:02.000 Like, what?

02:18:03.000 Yeah.

02:18:04.000 What?

02:18:04.000 It's because of income inequality.

02:18:06.000 What?

02:18:07.000 Yeah.

02:18:07.000 What?

02:18:08.000 Or maybe criminals.

02:18:11.000 Those are always real, right?

02:18:13.000 If you want to get to the source of criminals...

02:18:16.000 I'm all with you.

02:18:18.000 You know, if you want to, like, clean up communities and get people happier and healthier, I'm on board.

02:18:23.000 But you can't just, like, allow it because there's bad stuff in the past.

02:18:28.000 Because their childhood sucked and their communities where they grew up was crime-ridden and gang-ridden and drug-ridden.

02:18:34.000 Because of that, they became who they are. 0.97

02:18:35.000 I understand that 100%.

02:18:36.000 But you can't just allow them to just do that over and over again because of that.

02:18:40.000 You can't...

02:18:41.000 That's not...

02:18:42.000 That's like the opposite of compassionate.

02:18:44.000 Like, you're just gonna make it worse.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

02:18:46.000 I think you need to put, like, lots of money in those, like, high-crime areas for education, after-school programs, stuff like that, and more funding the police, not less.

02:18:55.000 Have the police come in and do boxing programs with the kids.

02:18:58.000 I did a program in San Francisco for a minute with my friend Tarek.

02:19:02.000 He set it up where it was like he would get the kids to play, like, football and sports, and he'd bring the cops in To interact with the kids in the bad communities.

02:19:10.000 And the kids and cops, we did it with them.

02:19:13.000 They'd be playing along, playing football, getting along, things like that.

02:19:16.000 You're like, oh, this is what can actually help.

02:19:17.000 That's awesome.

02:19:18.000 Yeah, that's what needs to be done.

02:19:20.000 That's perfect.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, that was one program that I volunteered for.

02:19:23.000 I'm like, wow, this feels like it actually can make a difference.

02:19:25.000 It definitely can for the kids that it impacts, that it touches.

02:19:29.000 It's just there's not enough of that.

02:19:30.000 But if that's what anybody wants to do, yeah, that's a great idea.

02:19:36.000 Yeah, I think more of this stuff could definitely help.

02:19:38.000 Get kids when they're young in the right direction.

02:19:40.000 Because sometimes kids just need a little push to do something they love.

02:19:43.000 Can you imagine, though, that if you put people in charge of cleaning up a community, but that was a job.

02:19:48.000 The job was the community has to be cleaned up, not the community's clean.

02:19:52.000 So the incentive would be for them to not totally fix it, but keep it, we're doing better, we're making progress, but never really tighten it down, because then you'd be out of work again.

02:20:05.000 It's like the same thing as a homeless czar.

02:20:07.000 Have it where you get a big bonus if you complete your job.

02:20:09.000 You get a million dollar bonus.

02:20:10.000 Right.

02:20:11.000 That's how you'd fix it.

02:20:13.000 Have them so they get a fat paycheck, like a big bonus, if they fix the homeless problem.

02:20:18.000 Like, hey, fix it.

02:20:19.000 Give them 20 million.

02:20:20.000 Do you know how crazy that would be if you had...

02:20:22.000 Like, you had bids.

02:20:25.000 You know, they have, like...

02:20:28.000 When Halliburton had no-bid contracts in Iraq, people were outraged, right?

02:20:33.000 Yeah.

02:20:33.000 Because here it is.

02:20:34.000 You got this guy who's the vice president, Dick Cheney, and he used to be the CEO of Halliburton. 0.99

02:20:38.000 Now, all of a sudden, Halliburton gives these no-bid contracts to clean up shit that he bombed? 0.99

02:20:43.000 Yeah, unreal. 1.00

02:20:43.000 Like, what? 1.00

02:20:44.000 This is crazy.

02:20:45.000 But imagine if they had that same sort of a situation in Los Angeles.

02:20:49.000 And they said, listen, This is our homeless problem.

02:20:53.000 The homeless problem costs us a lot of money.

02:20:55.000 It's a really bad problem for tourism.

02:20:58.000 It's bad for crime.

02:21:00.000 It's public safety, all the EMTs and ambulance and hospitals and overdoses and all this stuff.

02:21:06.000 We want to clean this up.

02:21:08.000 But we're going to give you a bonus.

02:21:10.000 We're going to give you guys, like, if you can fix this by measurable numbers, we'll give you a huge payout.

02:21:17.000 Because think about how much money it costs.

02:21:19.000 Oh, it costs so much money.

02:21:21.000 I think in San Francisco they spend like, I don't know the exact numbers, but $60,000, $70,000 per homeless person.

02:21:25.000 I think it's more.

02:21:26.000 Yeah, and it's way more to house the person, but the problem is housing isn't the problem.

02:21:30.000 It's drug addiction.

02:21:30.000 They're trying to act like the problem's not what the actual problem is.

02:21:33.000 Right, that's true.

02:21:34.000 They try to pretend that it's a house.

02:21:37.000 It's a housing issue.

02:21:38.000 They're the unhoused. 0.98

02:21:38.000 No, they're drug addicts. 0.98

02:21:40.000 It's an open-air drug market. 0.99

02:21:42.000 They're drug addicts.

02:21:44.000 But how would you fix it without any horrific, dystopian, totalitarian solution?

02:21:52.000 How would you fix it without going full Mad Max?

02:21:55.000 I think you're going to have to rest a bunch of them and be hard-lined, and then a lot of them would probably start leaving other places.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 I mean, they'd probably go somewhere else.

02:22:01.000 Then they'd go to Oakland.

02:22:02.000 Can you imagine if they allowed them to go to Oakland, but they cleaned up San Francisco?

02:22:06.000 I mean, I don't like Oakland that much, so I'd be happy.

02:22:09.000 Works for me.

02:22:11.000 Could you fucking imagine if they made money doing that, and then they fixed it? 0.92

02:22:16.000 No, that would be a lot more likely to fix it. 0.96

02:22:19.000 Yeah.

02:22:19.000 And you just give them yearly bonuses if they're hitting their metrics.

02:22:22.000 Right, exactly.

02:22:23.000 And you could probably justify it because you could say, listen, the homeless situation costs us X amount of billion dollars a year.

02:22:32.000 Okay, let's ask this.

02:22:33.000 Let's just take a guess.

02:22:36.000 How much does the homeless problem cost San Francisco every year?

02:22:41.000 It has to be hundreds of millions.

02:22:43.000 Hundreds?

02:22:44.000 Hundreds of millions.

02:22:44.000 Yeah, for sure hundreds of millions.

02:22:46.000 Jamie, let's look this up.

02:22:47.000 Cost in what way, though?

02:22:49.000 What's the cost of the homeless problem?

02:22:52.000 So it'll be more than what they put, because also the chased away tourists, the damage is done to place, so you won't really be able to quantify the exact cost, but just what they put in is probably a few hundred million.

02:23:01.000 Right.

02:23:01.000 What is the financial consequences of the homeless problem of San Francisco?

02:23:07.000 How much does homelessness cost San Francisco per year?

02:23:14.000 Got anything?

02:23:16.000 It's a weird question.

02:23:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:23:17.000 What returns isn't going to give you what you want.

02:23:20.000 Yeah, because it won't quantify the chase away tourism and all that.

02:23:23.000 I've seen people say the homeless situation has cost San Francisco upwards of X amount of dollars per year.

02:23:30.000 That's probably just the money they throw at it though.

02:23:32.000 Right.

02:23:32.000 So you add in the scared away tourists and damaged property and theft and all that, who knows what it is.

02:23:39.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 So let's say it's a billion dollars.

02:23:43.000 If you tell a company, if you can clean this up, we'll give you a billion dollars.

02:23:48.000 You will make one billion dollars.

02:23:50.000 So we'll double it, but you will have no problem anymore.

02:23:56.000 You clean this up.

02:23:57.000 You have a measurable metric.

02:23:58.000 You get down to about 500 homeless people.

02:24:01.000 That's it.

02:24:02.000 Yeah, it'd be great.

02:24:03.000 And then you'd have a nice city.

02:24:04.000 Then they'd do it.

02:24:04.000 And then you'd find out three years later what they actually did.

02:24:07.000 They made biscuits.

02:24:08.000 Exactly.

02:24:08.000 And then they'd start, I'll pretend like I didn't see it.

02:24:11.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:24:13.000 They would definitely.

02:24:13.000 If you can get some ruthless company to do it.

02:24:17.000 ODM all and fentanyl.

02:24:18.000 Yeah, it would be like that Soylent Green movie.

02:24:22.000 They'd turn them into cookies. 0.94

02:24:24.000 Turn people into, like, snacks.

02:24:26.000 This doesn't answer it in the other way.

02:24:29.000 They talk about how much money it takes to solve the problem, not how much money they've been spending fixing it.

02:24:34.000 What does it say to solve the problem?

02:24:35.000 How much does it take?

02:24:36.000 This article from last year says, the tab needed to solve the most persistent problem, a one-time investment of $9.3 billion, according to this new report.

02:24:45.000 That's hilarious.

02:24:48.000 If it's a yearly budget, then you start going down.

02:24:50.000 If you spend the whole budget, you're not going to get that much money next year because you've showed that you fixed the problem.

02:24:56.000 The city will spend the money other ways.

02:24:59.000 Right.

02:24:59.000 So you go just under, or whatever.

02:25:01.000 Right.

02:25:02.000 You've juked the numbers.

02:25:03.000 That's the weird thing with WBCs.

02:25:05.000 Yeah, you would definitely never fix it.

02:25:07.000 No.

02:25:07.000 Especially if it's...

02:25:09.000 That's the thing.

02:25:10.000 If you're the government, your incentive is to never fix it.

02:25:13.000 But if you're a private business, and this is what you do, you fix cities.

02:25:19.000 This, for instance, says safe parking sites for people that live in their vehicles, investments into mental health.

02:25:27.000 What does that mean?

02:25:28.000 Increasing safe parking sites.

02:25:29.000 If you can get in it, that means a homeless person can get in it.

02:25:32.000 How is that safe?

02:25:33.000 Yeah, they go through the parking structures and still rob everyone. 1.00

02:25:36.000 Unless you have armed guards patrolling the parking structures, shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:25:41.000 That's not safe. 0.99

02:25:41.000 I think this is increasing. 0.99

02:25:43.000 This is me making new parking lots for them to park in and stuff like that.

02:25:47.000 Yeah, but it says increasing safe parking sites for those living in vehicles and upping the investment into mental health and substantive drug abuse programs.

02:25:57.000 So they're saying safe places for people to live in their car to park.

02:26:01.000 But how many of them live in their car?

02:26:02.000 Yeah, most of them don't have cars.

02:26:04.000 They trade their cars for drugs.

02:26:05.000 Okay, so let's say you have a small amount that live in caravans, right?

02:26:09.000 Those folks that live in those mobile campers.

02:26:11.000 We used to have a lot of them.

02:26:12.000 In L.A. near our old studio.

02:26:14.000 Is that a different type of homeless?

02:26:15.000 They're also addicted to drugs?

02:26:16.000 Yeah.

02:26:17.000 They were the same kind of guys.

02:26:18.000 There was a lot of hard partying dudes.

02:26:21.000 And if you choose to live in a van like that, are you homeless?

02:26:24.000 That's the question.

02:26:25.000 Because this guy was, the guy who parked in front of ours, it was like, he'd be like sunbathing on our lawn. 0.97

02:26:31.000 And we'd be like, hey man, get the fuck out of here.

02:26:34.000 There's like a whole movement of people on YouTube and Instagram that like van life is their thing. 1.00

02:26:38.000 They want to reduce their shit. 0.94

02:26:40.000 They want to be able to park in different parking lots and live at Walmart or whatever. 0.99

02:26:43.000 I don't know.

02:26:44.000 It's a good question, right?

02:26:45.000 Because if you are that person and you travel around like Tom Green and you're with your dog and you take photos and you post it online, I don't see anything wrong with that. 0.94

02:26:56.000 I mean, to the extent where Elon gets shit for, like, I don't have a house. 0.93

02:26:59.000 I live in my friend's houses. 0.98

02:27:01.000 It's like the richest guy in the world and he's homeless. 0.99

02:27:03.000 He's crazy. 1.00

02:27:04.000 The difference is he could buy whatever fucking house he wants. 1.00

02:27:07.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

02:27:07.000 He doesn't want one. 1.00

02:27:08.000 Yeah, he's just nuts. 0.99

02:27:10.000 He's too smart. 0.99

02:27:10.000 But you live in a Mercedes Sprinter van that's got all the shower in it. 0.99

02:27:15.000 But you can't just park on the street in a residential neighborhood and lay on people's lawns.

02:27:20.000 You can.

02:27:20.000 Yeah, you can.

02:27:21.000 Not the lawn.

02:27:22.000 Not the lawn.

02:27:23.000 When you go there, you can.

02:27:24.000 But you can park on a street.

02:27:26.000 Yeah, you can park on some streets, but some streets don't allow overnight parking, so a lot of times they go to 24-hour grocery stores and they park in those parking lots.

02:27:34.000 You see them there sometimes, and sometimes they kick them out of those places.

02:27:38.000 It's a weird life.

02:27:39.000 Are they homeless?

02:27:41.000 They're not homeless.

02:27:42.000 If you've got a nice Sprinter van, you're not homeless.

02:27:44.000 You just live in a van.

02:27:46.000 You're homeless if you've got a...

02:27:47.000 Yeah, it's kind of kind of a home.

02:27:47.000 Right?

02:27:48.000 Yeah.

02:27:48.000 If you live in a tent, you're homeless.

02:27:51.000 But that's your home, the tent.

02:27:53.000 And I would take my fan, the nicest weather in the country, which is L.A. and San Francisco.

02:27:58.000 Definitely L.A. San Francisco gets cold, son.

02:28:00.000 Yeah, San Francisco is not like regular California.

02:28:03.000 Get bored in L.A. Yeah, that's true.

02:28:04.000 You want to mix it up.

02:28:05.000 I'm just saying, how many more are adding to that?

02:28:09.000 Or are they?

02:28:10.000 And then if your van breaks down, next thing you know, you are homeless.

02:28:13.000 Then you're homeless.

02:28:13.000 Then you have a tent.

02:28:14.000 But if your van breaks down, you're still inside of it.

02:28:16.000 So it's still better than a tent.

02:28:18.000 It's a hard-sided tent.

02:28:19.000 Toed it while you were gone at work for one day.

02:28:21.000 You lost it.

02:28:22.000 Now you're homeless.

02:28:23.000 How do they not get robbed in those places?

02:28:25.000 Because everyone steals everything.

02:28:26.000 How do they not get their cars broken?

02:28:27.000 I'm sure they rob each other too, man.

02:28:28.000 I'm sure there's a lot of violence in those communities.

02:28:31.000 If you're dealing with people who are on meth and partying... 0.91

02:28:34.000 I mean, I've seen videos of them beating the shit out of each other and doing horrible things to each other.

02:28:39.000 I remember when San Francisco was on full lockdown in COVID, I drove through the Tenderloin and they were having crackhead block parties. 0.97

02:28:44.000 I wish I would have filmed it, but when you film there, the drug dealers come and yell at you.

02:28:49.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:28:51.000 Crackhead block parties and probably not even remotely worried about COVID. Oh, no. 0.98

02:28:57.000 That's why I say, I'm like, the crackheads are surviving, I'm going to be okay.

02:29:01.000 When Chris Christie survived, I was like, jeez, I'm going to be fine.

02:29:04.000 Yeah, if that guy dies, it's embarrassing if I do.

02:29:06.000 Well, if he died, it would be embarrassing if you did.

02:29:09.000 If he, rather, didn't die.

02:29:12.000 If he didn't die, it would be embarrassing if he did.

02:29:14.000 Yeah. 0.83

02:29:15.000 Yeah, when big fat people got it and were fine, I was like, hmm, this is beatable.

02:29:20.000 Yeah, I think I'm going to survive it.

02:29:22.000 Yeah.

02:29:22.000 The Tenderloin was always a sketchy place, but did it get way sketchier during COVID? Well, more of what happened is, yeah, it got a little sketchier there, but just the Tenderloin area basically sprawled across the whole city.

02:29:33.000 Because before, when was the last time you were in San Francisco?

02:29:36.000 Mmm.

02:29:37.000 It's been a few years.

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:38.000 So now, like, there's this tents in, like, not every neighborhood, but, like, lots of neighborhoods.

02:29:41.000 There'll be tent cities everywhere, people doing crack, crazy people walking around.

02:29:45.000 So, like, the whole city is turning into tenderloin.

02:29:47.000 Obviously, tenderloin's still worse, but it's, like, sprawled out everywhere.

02:29:50.000 Why are people still living there, though?

02:29:51.000 I moved.

02:29:52.000 Do you think that people are living there just out of hope that it gets better?

02:29:55.000 I think so.

02:29:56.000 Like Stockholm Syndrome, you kind of don't realize how bad it is until you leave.

02:29:59.000 You kind of get stuck where you're just stuck in a rut and you think, oh, this is normal.

02:30:04.000 It's normal to get my car broken into every month and to worry about getting robbed and not being able to wear my watch out.

02:30:10.000 How did you wind up going to Vegas?

02:30:11.000 Just because I had a lot of friends there in the fight world.

02:30:13.000 It made sense.

02:30:14.000 It was an easy move.

02:30:16.000 I was thinking about here or Vegas, but I didn't really know anyone here.

02:30:19.000 Didn't know as much going on.

02:30:21.000 I'm like, oh, Vegas, I'll be able to figure out...

02:30:22.000 It'll be easier to figure out business and work.

02:30:25.000 That's true.

02:30:25.000 There's a lot of fight business in Vegas.

02:30:27.000 Yeah.

02:30:28.000 My God, I mean...

02:30:29.000 Yeah, for doing stuff in the fight industry, it all just comes through there.

02:30:31.000 And then also...

02:30:32.000 A lot of the cannabis industry comes through here, and I work with High Rollers, do a little stuff in the cannabis industry as well.

02:30:36.000 Shout out to High Rollers. 1.00

02:30:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:30:38.000 I love that fucking event. 1.00

02:30:39.000 I just love the idea behind it, that they get barbecued. 0.99

02:30:43.000 Yeah, I think I just got them a deal on UFC Fight Pass.

02:30:46.000 Really?

02:30:46.000 It isn't finalized yet, but I'm meeting with all the execs in suits.

02:30:49.000 Oh, that would be amazing.

02:30:51.000 I brought them there at the worst time.

02:30:52.000 I walk them into High Rollers. 0.99

02:30:53.000 We don't smoke as much anymore.

02:30:55.000 A guy walked out with a blower with a pound in there and just smoked out the whole room.

02:31:00.000 And then you guys had a meeting?

02:31:02.000 I think I just lost this deal.

02:31:03.000 It took a few months after that to get the meeting.

02:31:06.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

02:31:07.000 That's hilarious.

02:31:09.000 Yeah, those guys go too hard.

02:31:10.000 With a blower?

02:31:11.000 Yeah, we don't do that anymore because it smoked out the whole room.

02:31:14.000 You couldn't breathe when you were competing.

02:31:16.000 The highest I have ever been on a podcast was with Be Real.

02:31:20.000 When I did...

02:31:23.000 Smokebox?

02:31:23.000 Smokebox, right?

02:31:24.000 That's what he calls it?

02:31:25.000 B-Real Smokebox?

02:31:27.000 He's got a car, and they have a setup inside the car, and there's the cameras in there.

02:31:32.000 And so we got high first.

02:31:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:31:34.000 Like, barbecued.

02:31:35.000 And then you get in the car, and everyone keeps smoking.

02:31:37.000 And they just keep smoking.

02:31:39.000 I'm like, oh, my God.

02:31:40.000 Yeah, it happened to me once when Nick and Nate talked me into smoking right before in a hotbox car.

02:31:44.000 We just got so lit.

02:31:46.000 Remember, they put me in.

02:31:47.000 I'm in the cage.

02:31:47.000 My gloves taped on, headgear taped on.

02:31:50.000 Looking across at Nick, and I'm like, wait, I gotta fight this guy right now?

02:31:53.000 I got so scared.

02:31:55.000 We're barbecued here.

02:31:58.000 I'm so high, I already stopped smoking.

02:32:00.000 I'm just going, let me off.

02:32:03.000 It's legit in terms of...

02:32:04.000 Yeah, it's crazy how much some people can smoke.

02:32:07.000 Those guys can put it down.

02:32:08.000 Is Nick fighting again?

02:32:10.000 I don't know.

02:32:12.000 For his last fight, obviously, he wasn't in the best situation mentally and stuff, so I would like to see him fight again, but I'd like to see him do a proper camp, so...

02:32:20.000 I just saw something yesterday.

02:32:21.000 That's why I was going to ask.

02:32:23.000 Something that said Nick Diaz plans to return.

02:32:26.000 I think he wants to, but I really hope he does a proper camp and does it right.

02:32:30.000 What did he do for the last one?

02:32:32.000 Not much.

02:32:33.000 Really?

02:32:33.000 I think he was just going through some tough times in his life.

02:32:36.000 I don't really want to get into his personal life too much, but I think he was going through...

02:32:40.000 It was a tough time, and I don't think I would have liked to have pulled the fight and moved it back personally.

02:32:44.000 Coach, expect Nick Diaz to fight by the end of the year.

02:32:47.000 Coach Cesar Gracie gives an update on his longtime protege, MMA veteran, and fan favorite Nick Diaz.

02:32:54.000 Yeah, so people were thinking that he was kind of heavy, and that's why the fight wound up being—they fought at 85, right?

02:33:01.000 I think they moved to 85, yeah.

02:33:03.000 Which Lawler's a big guy, too, so I'm sure he didn't mind.

02:33:05.000 Oh, he's probably so happy he didn't have to cut, you know?

02:33:09.000 Yeah, I think a lot of it was his motivation.

02:33:10.000 He was kind of like pushed into the fight.

02:33:12.000 The fight happened so quick and he hadn't been training at all.

02:33:14.000 Then all of a sudden he's like fighting in two months.

02:33:15.000 It was just kind of rushed.

02:33:16.000 He didn't have a chance to do a camp.

02:33:18.000 No, because Nick's like a brother.

02:33:19.000 I really hope he fights again, but he needs to make sure to properly do a camp.

02:33:22.000 The amount of love that that guy gets is off the charts.

02:33:25.000 When they see him...

02:33:26.000 People love him.

02:33:28.000 When they introduce him during that fight too, the whole audience went crazy.

02:33:31.000 Yeah, he's an absolute legend.

02:33:32.000 Everyone loves Nick Diaz.

02:33:34.000 He's a very important part of the history of MMA. And if people don't realize what a big party is, you need to watch him in the Strikeforce days.

02:33:45.000 Because when he was a Strikeforce champion, watch the Frank Shamrock fight.

02:33:48.000 You know, watch Paul Daly.

02:33:51.000 That's probably the best one-round fight I've ever seen.

02:33:53.000 Amazing fight.

02:33:54.000 Cyborg.

02:33:55.000 The Cyborg fight.

02:33:56.000 Gomi, yes.

02:33:57.000 Watch those days.

02:33:58.000 He's a true legend.

02:33:59.000 He's a legend.

02:34:00.000 That's why everyone loves him.

02:34:01.000 Some people forget how great he was.

02:34:02.000 Oh my god.

02:34:03.000 The Paul Daly fight is an insane fight.

02:34:06.000 Because Daly has one of the best left hands in the history of the sport.

02:34:10.000 Daly was a thunderous striker.

02:34:12.000 He was so dangerous.

02:34:14.000 Yeah, he's tough.

02:34:17.000 So, Henderson hit you hardest?

02:34:20.000 Probably Henderson, yeah, but he landed clean.

02:34:21.000 Daly didn't land anything too clean.

02:34:23.000 He popped me with a jab that was like, oh, wow, this guy's got some power.

02:34:27.000 I better take him down and tap him out.

02:34:29.000 Yeah, I mean, he knocked out Lorenzo Larkin. 0.98

02:34:31.000 He's a savage.

02:34:33.000 Yeah, amazing power.

02:34:34.000 And so Nick just went at him.

02:34:39.000 In that fight.

02:34:40.000 You watched that fight?

02:34:41.000 Nick just swarmed him.

02:34:42.000 And just the volume of strikes, like you could see, like, that kind of fight is where he thrived.

02:34:48.000 He got dropped in that fight.

02:34:50.000 Drop came back up and just overwhelmed him. 0.99

02:34:52.000 But even when he got dropped, he's like moving around on the ground, avoiding the ground pound, gets back up, and he talks so much shit to guys. 0.99

02:34:59.000 Yeah, during the sparring. 1.00

02:35:01.000 They're talking shit. 1.00

02:35:03.000 Hilarious. 1.00

02:35:03.000 That's one of the things that Frank Shamrock said about fighting. 1.00

02:35:06.000 I'm like, you can't believe he's talking shit to you while he's beating you up. 1.00

02:35:09.000 Yeah, it just adds humiliation to it. 1.00

02:35:11.000 Also, like, frustration.

02:35:13.000 Like, it's hard to, like, keep your head straight.

02:35:15.000 Yeah, that, the Gomi fight's one of my favorite fights. 1.00

02:35:18.000 That one was amazing.

02:35:19.000 That was incredible when he tapped out Gomi. 1.00

02:35:21.000 And he got cracked right before that too, remember?

02:35:25.000 Yep.

02:35:25.000 And that was when Gomi was Gomi, you know?

02:35:28.000 Yeah, when he was one of the best in the world.

02:35:29.000 Oh my god, Gomi was one of those guys from Japan that was so fierce. 1.00

02:35:35.000 Sakurai was another one.

02:35:36.000 I fought him. 0.99

02:35:37.000 Oh, damn, you fought Sakurai too? 0.99

02:35:38.000 That was my first big win. 0.99

02:35:39.000 I'd never left the country, never been on a plane, and I flew out to Japan.

02:35:44.000 With Nick Diaz, that was wild.

02:35:46.000 What was the event?

02:35:47.000 Shudo.

02:35:48.000 Oh, wow.

02:35:49.000 Yeah, he was ranked number two in the world at the time.

02:35:51.000 I was completely unknown.

02:35:52.000 That was like, for me, that's one of my most memorable fights, even though most people in the U.S. didn't watch it.

02:35:56.000 It was such a cool experience. 0.99

02:35:58.000 Well, there was a stretch of time where he was the fucking man. 0.99

02:36:02.000 I mean, he was the man. 0.99

02:36:04.000 Yeah, some of those Japanese guys were so good.

02:36:07.000 Yeah, he was very good.

02:36:08.000 I mean, that was what was a really interesting time about MMA, where there was Vali Tudo Japan, right, in the 90s, and then there was Pride, there was Shudo, Deep, K1. There was a lot of shit going on over there. 0.97

02:36:25.000 It was massive in Japan. 1.00

02:36:26.000 Oh my god. 0.99

02:36:27.000 The fucking pride, when they would have those fights at the Saitama Super Arena, and you would see like 90,000 people for an MMA event. 0.99

02:36:36.000 Yeah, that's like bigger than the one in Toronto, right? 0.99

02:36:38.000 That's crazy.

02:36:39.000 Yes, like by 40,000 or 30,000 people.

02:36:42.000 What was Toronto?

02:36:42.000 I think 60 or something.

02:36:44.000 So 30,000 people more.

02:36:46.000 Jesus, that's insane.

02:36:46.000 30,000!

02:36:47.000 Yeah, that's just madness.

02:36:49.000 That's two MGMs.

02:36:50.000 It's weird how fighting just completely dropped off in Japan.

02:36:53.000 How is that possible?

02:36:54.000 I think because they had yakuza ties, and once that got exposed, they cut their TV deals and just died out. 0.80

02:37:00.000 That makes no sense to me.

02:37:02.000 Because Japan has always been this warrior culture. 0.95

02:37:06.000 I mean, Japan is responsible for judo, jujitsu, karate.

02:37:11.000 Like, so many origins of styles came from Japan.

02:37:16.000 Yeah, it's one of the birthplaces, one of the greatest martial arts.

02:37:19.000 I mean, Aikido, there was so much that they developed over there.

02:37:23.000 For them to be at the top, because it was bigger in Japan than the UFC was in America at the time.

02:37:35.000 Because we're dealing with a time where the UFC had not had the ultimate fighter yet.

02:37:39.000 So from 2005 on, the UFC is a different thing.

02:37:42.000 Because then the UFC became mainstream in America.

02:37:45.000 But in the early days, when Fedor was the king, when Noguera was the champ... 0.91

02:37:50.000 Yeah, when I went to Japan, I was so thrilled.

02:37:52.000 I was like, oh, I made it.

02:37:53.000 I'm in Japan now.

02:37:54.000 It was like 10,000, 15,000 people.

02:37:57.000 It wasn't Pride-sized, Shudo, but it was still big arenas.

02:38:00.000 They loved it.

02:38:00.000 It was like, wow, this is unreal.

02:38:02.000 They came to meet me at an event once, and they offered me a job for commentating on Pride.

02:38:09.000 Oh, wow.

02:38:09.000 Yeah.

02:38:10.000 Did you think about it?

02:38:11.000 No.

02:38:11.000 Or you didn't want to backtab the UFC? No chance.

02:38:14.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:38:14.000 That wouldn't be a good move.

02:38:15.000 Wasn't interested.

02:38:16.000 Not interested.

02:38:17.000 But it was cool.

02:38:19.000 It was cool that they wanted me to do it, but I wasn't interested.

02:38:22.000 I'm sure in the back of your head you'd love to, but it would have burn bridged you with the UFC. I wasn't interested.

02:38:25.000 I wasn't interested in flying all the way over there.

02:38:27.000 That's a long-ass flight to do all the time.

02:38:30.000 Yeah.

02:38:30.000 And they were having those events pretty often.

02:38:32.000 You know, the interesting thing about Pride, too, is they were having events where you wouldn't even know who was fighting until like a week or two weeks before.

02:38:39.000 Mm-hmm.

02:38:39.000 And then all these fights were announced.

02:38:42.000 You're like, whoa, he's on the card, dude.

02:38:44.000 Just wild cards.

02:38:46.000 They had some insane fights.

02:38:49.000 To this day, I'll go re-watch like Fedor versus Noguera or Fedor versus Krokop.

02:38:55.000 Yeah.

02:38:56.000 Was it Shogun and Little Fatal?

02:38:59.000 Oh my God.

02:39:01.000 Yeah, Shogun and Little Nog. 0.98

02:39:03.000 Oh my God.

02:39:03.000 That was a war.

02:39:04.000 Oh my God.

02:39:06.000 How about Rampage versus Ricardo Arona?

02:39:08.000 That was another, yeah.

02:39:09.000 The craziest slam in the history of the sport.

02:39:11.000 Off the triangle, right?

02:39:13.000 Yes.

02:39:13.000 He probably just dipped him.

02:39:14.000 That was when Rampage was Rampage.

02:39:17.000 You know, when Rampage was in his prime.

02:39:19.000 Yeah, Pride was great.

02:39:20.000 Pride and UFC were equal.

02:39:22.000 It was like, which one's better was the debate.

02:39:23.000 I think it's the worst knockout I've ever seen in my life.

02:39:26.000 If you think about bad knockouts, you think about like head kicks, and you think about like punches, but I think the worst knockout I ever saw was Rampage slams Ricardo Arona.

02:39:36.000 Did Rowan ever really recover from that in his career?

02:39:38.000 No.

02:39:39.000 I think that might have been kind of...

02:39:40.000 Oh, here it is.

02:39:41.000 Watch this.

02:39:42.000 I mean, that is straight insanity.

02:39:45.000 Let me see that again.

02:39:46.000 Look how he picks him up.

02:39:48.000 How strong, how straight that is.

02:39:49.000 He's in the triangle, but he slams him and then headbutts him inadvertently on the way down and then punches him in the face a couple of times. 0.99

02:39:56.000 But it's the slam itself, the amount of fucking torque. 0.99

02:39:59.000 Watch this. 0.99

02:40:00.000 Bam! 0.98

02:40:01.000 I mean, dude. 1.00

02:40:02.000 Damn. 0.99

02:40:02.000 I mean, that has to be... 0.99

02:40:06.000 So bad for you.

02:40:07.000 Yeah, I don't know if he really did much in his career after that.

02:40:09.000 No, watch this again.

02:40:12.000 Bang! 1.00

02:40:12.000 I mean, that's crazy to watch. 1.00

02:40:14.000 I mean, how is he not dead?

02:40:17.000 Yeah, unfortunately, I never got to fight in Pride.

02:40:19.000 I mean, that might be...

02:40:21.000 I think that is.

02:40:22.000 I think that's the worst knockout I've ever seen.

02:40:25.000 Oh my god!

02:40:26.000 I mean, that and then the head collides with him too, on the way down.

02:40:29.000 What, how long he was out for?

02:40:31.000 Oh my god, probably a year.

02:40:34.000 I mean, that's crazy.

02:40:35.000 Yeah, you wouldn't want to spar after that.

02:40:36.000 You probably would never be the same again.

02:40:39.000 That's a kind of car accident type of KO, where it's so much force.

02:40:46.000 When you're up in the air and then completely slammed out.

02:40:51.000 At least it was on a ring instead of like, you know, imagine if that was the concrete, he'd probably be dead.

02:40:54.000 Oh my god, he'd be dead.

02:40:55.000 He'd be dead. 0.98

02:40:56.000 He'd be dead. 0.98

02:40:57.000 Oh my god.

02:40:58.000 Yeah, that's why you don't do a triangle in a street fight.

02:41:00.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

02:41:00.000 Or let go if they stand up.

02:41:02.000 Or you don't fuck with a judo guy in a street fight, you know? 1.00

02:41:05.000 Somebody knows judo really well, like if Ronda Rousey spiked you on your fucking head. 1.00

02:41:09.000 Yeah, that would not be good on the concrete. 0.99

02:41:11.000 A street fight with clothes too, like a winter jacket.

02:41:15.000 Yeah, I'm not a gi guy. 0.99

02:41:17.000 I would hate that.

02:41:18.000 That would probably be the worst thing that could ever happen to you.

02:41:21.000 Someone with a judo background grabs you and you have a winter coat.

02:41:25.000 Just chuck you. 0.96

02:41:26.000 They hit you with the earth. 0.96

02:41:28.000 Bam! 0.98

02:41:29.000 And then pick you up and do it again.

02:41:30.000 Bam! 0.98

02:41:31.000 Yeah, it would not be good. 1.00

02:41:33.000 Yeah, fuck. 1.00

02:41:35.000 When you think about the other things about Pride that made it insane was the soccer kicks and the stomps, you know? 1.00

02:41:41.000 Those are fun from a fan's perspective.

02:41:43.000 Remember when Melvin Manhoof fought Sakuraba?

02:41:46.000 I'm trying to remember that one.

02:41:47.000 He kicked him in the face. 0.90

02:41:48.000 It was horrific. 0.96

02:41:49.000 One of the worst, most ruthless, I want to say...

02:41:57.000 He didn't win that.

02:41:59.000 He won one fight where someone almost had him out like that, but I don't think it was Mannhoff.

02:42:05.000 I think Manhoof.

02:42:07.000 This is also Manhoof when he was in crime.

02:42:09.000 This guy was vicious strikers.

02:42:11.000 Absolutely vicious.

02:42:12.000 Oh my god.

02:42:13.000 Because this is probably like, I want to say this, like 2004 or 2005. He beats the shit out of him and then knees him in the head and soccer kicks him. 0.98

02:42:21.000 And this is also Sakuraba. 0.99

02:42:24.000 Boom.

02:42:24.000 Ground and pound.

02:42:25.000 This is like after he fought Van Der Lea.

02:42:28.000 They made him fight three times, right?

02:42:30.000 Yeah, Van Der Lea KO'd him real bad.

02:42:33.000 Vanderlei had KO'd him real bad.

02:42:34.000 And then Pride made him keep fighting him.

02:42:36.000 That's kind of the end of his career.

02:42:38.000 Yeah.

02:42:40.000 Yeah, why did they make him keep fighting Vanderlei?

02:42:42.000 That was when Vanderlei was the axe murderer.

02:42:45.000 I think they wanted him to win it so bad, they kept like, oh, try again.

02:42:47.000 Or he pissed somebody off.

02:42:49.000 Melvin was just such a ruthless striker, and he was kill or be killed.

02:42:54.000 Melvin was such a good striker. 0.92

02:42:55.000 Look at that head kick and then hit him with a punch afterwards. 0.89

02:42:58.000 Melvin was so good too.

02:43:00.000 And Melvin was so good that he knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch.

02:43:04.000 Really?

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:05.000 Was that K-1 or was that a pride?

02:43:07.000 I think it was Pride.

02:43:08.000 I think it was Pride.

02:43:09.000 But Melvin weighed like 190. Mark Hunt was like 260. And Mark Hunt came charged at him.

02:43:15.000 And Mark Hunt is a K-1 Grand Prix champion.

02:43:18.000 And he KO'd him with one shot, which is just nuts.

02:43:21.000 Yeah, he's not an easy guy to KO. Boom!

02:43:23.000 Ooh, see that again?

02:43:25.000 Look at this.

02:43:26.000 He comes charged at him.

02:43:27.000 Boom! 0.99

02:43:28.000 Ooh, a hook.

02:43:29.000 I mean, just clipped him. 1.00

02:43:31.000 Who the fuck does that to Mark Hunt? 0.99

02:43:33.000 Nobody. 0.99

02:43:34.000 Yeah, he's one of the most devastating strikers.

02:43:36.000 Ever.

02:43:37.000 The fact that he got clipped right here.

02:43:39.000 Watch this.

02:43:39.000 Oh, there it goes.

02:43:40.000 No worries.

02:43:41.000 Here, it's right here.

02:43:43.000 Boom.

02:43:44.000 A left hook coming in and a right hand behind it. 1.00

02:43:47.000 And he was already done with the left hook.

02:43:48.000 Right there.

02:43:49.000 Like, his body just shuts off.

02:43:51.000 Look at that.

02:43:52.000 The only person other than that who stopped, well, didn't Verdum stop Mark Hunt?

02:43:58.000 Stopped Mark Hunt with a flying knee?

02:43:59.000 Right.

02:44:00.000 I think so.

02:44:00.000 Yes.

02:44:01.000 And Alistair, Alistair KO'd him with a vicious knee.

02:44:04.000 Alistair was a beast too, especially in Pride.

02:44:06.000 Oh man.

02:44:07.000 Back when he was on all the Saucy Sauce?

02:44:08.000 Horse meat.

02:44:09.000 Horse meat.

02:44:09.000 I think he's back.

02:44:10.000 I think he's back at K1, or no, excuse me, Glory.

02:44:14.000 Hell yeah, let's get him giant again. 0.51

02:44:16.000 Let's get 300 pound Alistair back.

02:44:17.000 He looks big again.

02:44:19.000 Yeah, that guy was vicious.

02:44:20.000 They have a photo of him with a mohawk now.

02:44:23.000 He's got, like, saucy face, saucy neck.

02:44:26.000 He looks giant.

02:44:27.000 Yeah, I trained jujitsu with him one time in Abu Dhabi, one of the sheiks. 1.00

02:44:32.000 All of a sudden, the guy's, like, elbowing me, and I'm like, oh, this is a fun jujitsu.

02:44:35.000 He elbowed you?

02:44:36.000 Look at that.

02:44:36.000 He's saucy again.

02:44:38.000 Let me see that picture again.

02:44:42.000 Oh, yeah.

02:44:44.000 That's what's up.

02:44:45.000 Jesus.

02:44:48.000 Look at them biceps, son.

02:44:49.000 He's back.

02:44:50.000 Was he probably 6'6 or something, too?

02:44:52.000 Is that all that it is to that video, or is there more to that video?

02:44:55.000 There's not a lot to these.

02:44:56.000 These were even two months ago.

02:44:57.000 Bro, sauce.

02:44:59.000 And how tall is he?

02:45:00.000 He's a big fella.

02:45:01.000 Probably 6'6 or something?

02:45:02.000 He's at least 6'5.

02:45:03.000 He's very big.

02:45:05.000 He's tall and long. 1.00

02:45:06.000 I mean, when Alistair was a light heavyweight, he was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:45:10.000 But he was just too thin, and he was cutting weight. 0.98

02:45:13.000 Give me that picture again when he was wearing that shirt.

02:45:15.000 Just see it.

02:45:15.000 That's good enough.

02:45:16.000 Show me that again.

02:45:17.000 Just that one right there.

02:45:18.000 Yeah, that's pretty saucy.

02:45:20.000 That's what I liked.

02:45:21.000 I liked Alistair when he fought Brock Lesnar.

02:45:24.000 And Mark Coleman.

02:45:26.000 I love that he was jacked.

02:45:27.000 When he was Uber-eam.

02:45:29.000 But when he won the K-1 Grand Prix, too, he was jacked then.

02:45:33.000 A little extra at the end.

02:45:35.000 Yeah, he looks good.

02:45:36.000 He wasn't that much bigger, honestly, than his UFC days, but he looks full.

02:45:41.000 Yeah.

02:45:42.000 Gained a little weight.

02:45:43.000 It's also the problem is with guys like that when they do air quote supplements for so many years and then they get off of them.

02:45:49.000 Like, man.

02:45:50.000 Their natural levels are probably run down. 1.00

02:45:52.000 Yeah, their natural levels are fucked. 1.00

02:45:53.000 Like Vitor. 0.99

02:45:54.000 Remember when Vitor fought Chris Weidman?

02:45:56.000 And he just deflated.

02:45:57.000 He was just vicious for a minute when he was allowed to be on the TRT. He was just spinning, kicking people.

02:46:03.000 Yeah.

02:46:04.000 Dude got a mohawk at like 40 years old.

02:46:06.000 That's how you know you got a lot of stasso in your body.

02:46:09.000 Yeah, he was buck wild in those days.

02:46:13.000 TRT Vitor is one of the most exciting fighters of all time.

02:46:16.000 Yeah, he was vicious.

02:46:17.000 Yeah.

02:46:17.000 Well, he's on the sauce again, too.

02:46:19.000 He just knocked out Evander Holyfield.

02:46:21.000 Did you see that?

02:46:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:46:22.000 That was kind of sad, though, because Holyfield didn't look like he should have been fighting.

02:46:25.000 No.

02:46:25.000 Well, he's 60. Yeah.

02:46:27.000 No matter who you are, at 60, wrap it up.

02:46:30.000 And it looked like his mental state wasn't 100% clear.

02:46:33.000 Dude, that guy went to war with George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe.

02:46:39.000 I mean...

02:46:40.000 Yeah, total legend fighting all those guys.

02:46:43.000 Bro, he went to war.

02:46:45.000 Yeah, that's what's sad to see him have to go back and fight at 60. I don't know if it's a money thing or probably a money thing, right?

02:46:51.000 Well, I'm sure it helps that there's a lot of money, but I think they love it too.

02:46:56.000 It's hard walking away.

02:46:58.000 As a fighter right now, how hard it is to walk away.

02:47:01.000 Sometimes you're like, oh, I could do this again.

02:47:02.000 But I'm like, you know what?

02:47:03.000 My life's good.

02:47:03.000 I don't need to.

02:47:05.000 Well, you could do a lot of other stuff.

02:47:07.000 And also, you're a pretty analytical guy.

02:47:10.000 You'll look at things in terms of what you should and shouldn't do with your life and what's good for your future. 1.00

02:47:15.000 Some guys just go, fuck it. 0.99

02:47:17.000 It's hard, you know, especially if you don't want much else going on, or maybe you go and blew all your money, you weren't smart with it, you didn't need money again, you didn't love fighting, it's like, ah, might as well do it. 1.00

02:47:25.000 What would you do ideally?

02:47:26.000 Like, if there was an ideal gig for you to do, what would you do other than fighting?

02:47:31.000 Like, like now or before?

02:47:34.000 Yeah, like right now.

02:47:35.000 I don't know, you know, I'm kind of, uh, I'm doing a lot of things I like, you know.

02:47:39.000 You're doing a lot of things.

02:47:40.000 The thing about fighters that don't fight anymore is they still train a lot.

02:47:44.000 Yeah, I still train almost every day.

02:47:47.000 That takes up a lot of time.

02:47:50.000 We were talking about how it's hard to train really hard and then do a podcast because your brain is still like, oh.

02:47:59.000 I've made that mistake before where I've come here after real hard workout sessions, especially after rolling.

02:48:05.000 A lot of times a hard jiu-jitsu session.

02:48:07.000 I train with someone like Gordon Ryan.

02:48:08.000 I'm like, I need a nap after. 0.99

02:48:09.000 Yeah, you get fucking exhausted.

02:48:11.000 Have you had a chance to train with Gordon at all? 0.96

02:48:12.000 No.

02:48:13.000 No, I haven't.

02:48:13.000 He's amazing.

02:48:14.000 Great teacher, too.

02:48:15.000 I mean, obviously...

02:48:16.000 He's a really good teacher. 0.99

02:48:17.000 His videos are fucking sensational. 0.99

02:48:19.000 But how crazy is that? 0.99

02:48:20.000 A guy who's 25 years old who's like...

02:48:23.000 Best in the world.

02:48:24.000 Best in the world and the best of all time.

02:48:26.000 Yeah, I would say you'd probably call him the best of all time at this point.

02:48:29.000 It's hard to say he's not.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, and that's a very bold statement to say, but I think he's got to be.

02:48:34.000 He really is.

02:48:35.000 But what a combination, too.

02:48:37.000 Him and Donaher together, and Gary Tonin and all those guys.

02:48:40.000 But the fact that Donaher being what he calls his cheat code. 0.98

02:48:44.000 What are the odds that a guy who's a freak athlete, he's a big giant fuck, who is super smart and super driven, meets the master splinter. 0.99

02:48:53.000 Worked out perfect. 0.99

02:48:55.000 Yeah.

02:48:55.000 Yeah, I think Gary Tonin coached him for a while, too, so we already had him good.

02:48:58.000 I remember I met Gordon.

02:48:59.000 He was like a purple belt, but he was vicious.

02:49:01.000 I'm like, oh, man, this kid's going to get good. 0.99

02:49:03.000 Came back a year later, and I'm like, damn, this kid's good. 0.54

02:49:06.000 Isn't it funny, though, that something like that requires so much dedication? 0.98

02:49:10.000 Those guys train 365 days a year.

02:49:13.000 Seven days a week.

02:49:14.000 Remember when I was living in New York, they would train Saturday and Sunday.

02:49:17.000 You have to be fully locked in to do that.

02:49:20.000 Mm-hmm.

02:49:21.000 You have to be fully locked in in terms of your discipline, your goals, your future.

02:49:26.000 That shows you, if you want to be...

02:49:29.000 A lot of people say, oh, you need rest.

02:49:31.000 Oh, you need this.

02:49:32.000 Oh, you need that.

02:49:33.000 Maybe.

02:49:34.000 Maybe you do. 0.98

02:49:35.000 Or maybe you need to be so fucking dedicated that that is all of your life. 0.98

02:49:40.000 That you're doing it seven days a week. 0.95

02:49:43.000 Yeah, no, I agree.

02:49:44.000 You've got to be training all the time.

02:49:45.000 I think overtraining is real, but it's way over-exaggerated.

02:49:48.000 Way more people under-train than over-trained.

02:49:50.000 It's always the guys that aren't winning huge fights being like, oh, I don't want to over-train.

02:49:54.000 Most of the champions you watch them, they're grinding their ass off.

02:49:57.000 I think what over-training is, is you never develop the kind of cardio required to train at that level every day.

02:50:06.000 Yeah.

02:50:06.000 I think you do need lighter days, too.

02:50:08.000 Yeah.

02:50:10.000 When I trained with John, not all the sessions were hard.

02:50:13.000 Sometimes he would recommend, like, hey, you guys can pick guys that aren't as good and just play around and try new stuff.

02:50:17.000 And that was actually very eye-opening for me because I always wanted to go with the best possible guy I could every round.

02:50:22.000 And then I realized sometimes they just go and just kind of play around, let guys pass their guard, put them in arm bars, try things.

02:50:27.000 And I'm like, oh, this is a very innovative method of training, different than I've been doing it.

02:50:32.000 Yeah, I think training with people that are fairly new definitely has benefits.

02:50:37.000 It's not good to do all the time, but one of the benefits is that you get to run many numbers on them.

02:50:43.000 Say if you want to tighten up an arm bar, you can hit an arm bar anytime you want.

02:50:48.000 Exactly.

02:50:49.000 If you're rolling with a blue belt, you can let him think that he's swept you.

02:50:54.000 Exactly.

02:50:54.000 And let him attempt to pass your guard and set up an arm bar.

02:50:57.000 Get him thinking that he's really doing it.

02:51:00.000 You can allow them to get to a five-step process.

02:51:04.000 You can allow them to get to step three and then work your way out of it and then try to tap them.

02:51:08.000 Yeah, and that's what I watched Gary and Gordon.

02:51:10.000 They would always let these guys come in and do really well with them.

02:51:13.000 But they were letting them.

02:51:15.000 These guys afterwards would be like, oh man, it's just so good with Gordon.

02:51:18.000 And I tapped the dude like eight times.

02:51:20.000 So I'm like, hmm, Gordon didn't tap you, huh?

02:51:24.000 Well, it's a thing where they're also exercising their brain because you're controlling your ego, and you're controlling this desire that you have to shut everything down and show this person they can't do anything to you.

02:51:37.000 You're allowing them to have a certain amount of success, and even maybe they could be delusional a little bit about it.

02:51:43.000 Yeah, I think that's really hard for athletes to do that.

02:51:46.000 That's why I try to get my guys to some days, like, hey, don't worry about it.

02:51:49.000 Let guys put you in bad positions, but it's hard because we're so competitive.

02:51:52.000 We just want to grind and always win everything.

02:51:54.000 Marcelo Garcia said that, too.

02:51:56.000 He said, though, to get better, it's very important that you open up your game in this school.

02:52:00.000 Like, at the academy, you have to open up your game.

02:52:02.000 And he was talking about that, like, you gotta be loose.

02:52:04.000 Yeah, I mean, after Gordon, he's probably, like, the second greatest of all time.

02:52:08.000 Yeah, right?

02:52:09.000 Right?

02:52:10.000 Man, when that guy burst onto the scene, I was there in 2003 when he won Abu Dhabi and watching him choke out Shaolin. 0.98

02:52:18.000 I was like, holy shit, man. 0.94

02:52:20.000 That one was in Brazil, right? 0.99

02:52:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:22.000 Dude, his fucking back-taking, his arm-drag to back-taking was off the charts. 0.99

02:52:27.000 And one of the things about Marcelo that was so fascinating was not just that he was so technical. 0.99

02:52:32.000 He was so fast, but also that his legs...

02:52:36.000 Huge.

02:52:36.000 Huge legs.

02:52:37.000 Everyone always thought he was way smaller than he was because he was heavy because it's all in his legs and ass. 1.00

02:52:41.000 Yes. 0.99

02:52:41.000 Which is wild because that was an important part of his grappling game. 0.99

02:52:45.000 The arms were just to get around your neck.

02:52:48.000 Because he would bounce up so quick. 1.00

02:52:49.000 It's almost like he would bounce off his ass and take your back. 1.00

02:52:52.000 Kind of wild, but I think that's just how he was built, right? 1.00

02:52:57.000 It's got to be mostly genetic, I think, the way he's built.

02:53:00.000 It doesn't seem like he did a lot of lifting weights with his legs, did he?

02:53:03.000 I don't think so.

02:53:04.000 My guess would be it's probably natural.

02:53:06.000 Because if you look at his upper body, he was never a big, giant, muscular guy.

02:53:12.000 Not like a Pablo Popovich.

02:53:13.000 No, that guy was the freakiest. 0.99

02:53:15.000 Holy crap, that guy was jacked. 0.99

02:53:16.000 Him and Pablo used to go to war all the time, remember? 0.98

02:53:18.000 They were like in the finals of what, like three Abu Dhabis, I think? 1.00

02:53:20.000 Yep, yep. 1.00

02:53:21.000 Yeah, that guy was like a fucking... 1.00

02:53:23.000 He was Aquaman, you know, like the comic book. 1.00

02:53:26.000 He was Superman.

02:53:27.000 Yeah, that guy was this unreal looking...

02:53:28.000 Shredded. 0.96

02:53:30.000 Another guy like that is Rodolfo Vieira.

02:53:32.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:53:33.000 That guy's ridiculous. 0.99

02:53:35.000 Like, whenever he fights in the UFC, first of all, I'm like, how the fuck are you 185 pounds? 0.99

02:53:39.000 You're so not 185 pounds. 0.92

02:53:41.000 Yeah, right. 0.97

02:53:41.000 Some of these guys suck out so much weight. 0.97

02:53:42.000 He's so big! 0.99

02:53:44.000 That guy's so jacked. 1.00

02:53:46.000 And he's such a fucking specimen. 1.00

02:53:48.000 You see him at 185, he's got giant delts and fucking traps. 1.00

02:53:53.000 And you're like, wow, you're so big! 1.00

02:53:54.000 Like, look at him!

02:53:55.000 Look at him there! 0.98

02:53:56.000 Holy crap. 1.00

02:53:56.000 Dude, what the fuck? 1.00

02:53:59.000 I mean, Vieira is so big. 1.00

02:54:01.000 But when he fought Anthony Hernandez, it's interesting because I think cutting the amount of weight that that guy cuts really fucks your endurance.

02:54:11.000 Yeah, because that guy went and he ended up tapping him too, right?

02:54:12.000 He did.

02:54:13.000 He caught him in a guillotine.

02:54:14.000 But Hernandez in his last fight showed insane cardio.

02:54:18.000 Like, that dude's got wild cardio.

02:54:20.000 Yeah, that guy's tough.

02:54:21.000 I trained with him.

02:54:21.000 He's tough.

02:54:21.000 I had a gym one time.

02:54:22.000 I had no idea who he was and trained with him.

02:54:23.000 I'm like, oh, this guy's pretty tough.

02:54:25.000 And then I talked to him after.

02:54:25.000 He's like, oh, yeah, I'm in the UFC. He's tough.

02:54:27.000 Yeah, he's tough, and what I'm really impressed with him is everything.

02:54:31.000 But it's his endurance, man. 1.00

02:54:34.000 The fucking dude breaks people. 1.00

02:54:36.000 Like, his endurance is exceptional. 1.00

02:54:38.000 And that's how he got Vieira. 0.99

02:54:41.000 He just kept putting it on him, and then when he got him in a fucking arm and guillotine, I was like, there's no way. 0.99

02:54:47.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

02:54:47.000 There's no way. 0.99

02:54:48.000 And then he taps.

02:54:49.000 He's like, what?

02:54:50.000 Yeah, kind of like Jacare getting armbarred.

02:54:52.000 It's crazy seeing some of these jiu-jitsu legends getting tapped out.

02:54:55.000 But worse, that's another guy, Andre Muniz. 0.99

02:55:00.000 He's fucking terrifying. 0.97

02:55:01.000 Yeah, I don't know much about him, but he's done that armbar a couple times, right? 0.99

02:55:04.000 Dude, he's fucking good. 0.94

02:55:06.000 He is good. 1.00

02:55:07.000 His jiu-jitsu is nasty. 0.99

02:55:09.000 And when he broke Jacare's arm, I was like, no fucking way! 0.99

02:55:12.000 Yeah, right? 0.98

02:55:13.000 It's like unreal seeing that.

02:55:14.000 Yeah, right?

02:55:15.000 It was unreal seeing Jacare lose to somebody by submission.

02:55:19.000 That's insane.

02:55:20.000 Someone like him, though, maybe they focus too much on boxing.

02:55:22.000 I bet his jiu-jitsu is nowhere near what it was when he was winning Abu Dhabi.

02:55:26.000 It has to be, right?

02:55:27.000 You would think, but who knows? 0.97

02:55:29.000 But Jacare had fucking striking skills, too. 0.98

02:55:32.000 Remember when he knocked out Yushin Okami? 0.99

02:55:33.000 You're like, holy shit, Jacare has become a deadly stand-up fighter, too. 0.99

02:55:37.000 As good as he was on the ground, now he's fucking terrifying standing as well. 1.00

02:55:42.000 Yeah, scary dude. 0.96

02:55:43.000 A lot of good fighters now.

02:55:45.000 The 70-pound division is stacked right now.

02:55:47.000 What did you think of that Hamzat Chamayev-Gilbert Burns fight?

02:55:51.000 That was amazing.

02:55:52.000 It was like a draw.

02:55:54.000 It was a 50-50.

02:55:55.000 I wouldn't want to be judging it.

02:55:56.000 That was such a war, though.

02:55:58.000 Such a war.

02:55:59.000 Yeah, I mean, real close to...

02:56:01.000 I mean, I'd have to go back and watch it and score it.

02:56:06.000 I went and watched it again.

02:56:07.000 The other night, I was working out and I watched it.

02:56:09.000 I was like, oh my god.

02:56:11.000 It was crazy.

02:56:13.000 But Hamzat had him in trouble, too.

02:56:14.000 They both had each other in trouble.

02:56:16.000 And Hamzat put a lot of pressure on him, but Gilbert dropped him and had him badly hurt.

02:56:20.000 And Gilbert hit him with more shots, too.

02:56:22.000 When they looked at the overall significant strikes, Gilbert landed more.

02:56:27.000 What a fight, though.

02:56:28.000 Yeah, that was such a fight.

02:56:29.000 I couldn't believe everyone was looking past Gilbert Burns.

02:56:30.000 I'm like, this guy is good. 0.73

02:56:32.000 Crazy.

02:56:32.000 He was like 4-1 or 5-1 underdog or something crazy like that.

02:56:35.000 I'm like, man, this guy's stacked.

02:56:37.000 But that's how special Hamzat is.

02:56:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:56:39.000 It showed he's the real deal.

02:56:40.000 Yeah.

02:56:41.000 But the fact that people were looking past Gilbert Burns shows how good Chemayev is or how much people thought of him.

02:56:47.000 Yeah.

02:56:47.000 I think he's great because Gilbert Burns is really good and he beat him.

02:56:49.000 That's such a tough weight right now.

02:56:51.000 He can't fight like that, though, forever.

02:56:54.000 Like that style of seek and destroy.

02:56:57.000 You have to be a little bit harder to hit for the elite of the division.

02:57:01.000 Don't you think?

02:57:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:57:03.000 I think he was just so used to steamrolling people that this is kind of a wake-up call.

02:57:07.000 But it showed he had heart and stuff.

02:57:08.000 My question was, does he have heart and cardio?

02:57:10.000 And he showed he has both.

02:57:12.000 100%.

02:57:12.000 He's a live dog.

02:57:14.000 I mean, he's a real dog.

02:57:16.000 The way he fights, when he got clipped and dropped and immediately dives on the legs, he's not looking for a way out at all.

02:57:23.000 He was there ready to go to war.

02:57:25.000 And that's what you don't know until you're in a tough fight.

02:57:27.000 Yeah.

02:57:29.000 What do you think about him and Covington?

02:57:30.000 I think that's what they're going to try to do.

02:57:33.000 Yeah, that's a good fight.

02:57:34.000 That's a tough one.

02:57:36.000 Maybe Cosmott?

02:57:37.000 Either way, I don't know.

02:57:38.000 Yeah, who knows who's going to win that fight?

02:57:40.000 Who knows?

02:57:42.000 Yeah, and what are they going to do with Bilal Muhammad, I wonder?

02:57:44.000 Because he just had that win.

02:57:45.000 Amazing.

02:57:45.000 He's super good, too.

02:57:46.000 Amazing.

02:57:47.000 Beat Vicente Luque.

02:57:49.000 And not only did Bilal Muhammad beat Vicente Luque, but he beat Vicente Luque during Ramadan.

02:57:56.000 So he's fasting.

02:57:56.000 Oh, he was fasting?

02:57:57.000 Yes!

02:57:58.000 Yeah, Bilal's like a friend of mine.

02:57:59.000 Not really close, but I'm cool with him.

02:58:00.000 So I didn't even know he was fast. 0.78

02:58:01.000 Crazy. 0.86

02:58:01.000 Yeah, man. 0.86

02:58:02.000 Fasting.

02:58:02.000 Yeah, he's observing Ramadan.

02:58:04.000 Yeah, because most of my friends, a lot of them do it, but they don't fight during Ramadan.

02:58:07.000 Super impressive. 0.99

02:58:07.000 Wow, what a lunatic. 0.99

02:58:08.000 I wonder how he does that, how he schedules the training and even the water consumption during the fight. 0.99

02:58:16.000 Because the water is the hard part.

02:58:17.000 Right.

02:58:18.000 I think a lot of these guys, what they'll do, they'll train, like, or they'll do a light one, like, right before they eat, but not too heavy because they're dehydrated.

02:58:25.000 Then they'll go, right when it gets dark, eat, and then they'll digest a couple hours, then go do, like, a hard one.

02:58:30.000 That makes sense.

02:58:31.000 Or just one hard one.

02:58:31.000 Some guys are saying they train at like midnight, train to like 2 or 3, go and sleep as long as you can during the day, so less time to fast.

02:58:39.000 That makes sense.

02:58:40.000 The thing about the water, not being able to drink any water while it's light out, that's the hardest on a professional athlete.

02:58:46.000 Yeah, I didn't know that was a thing.

02:58:47.000 So my trainer was Afghan, Muslim, Tariq Azim.

02:58:50.000 We'd spar sometimes and he couldn't drink water after.

02:58:52.000 I was like, oh man.

02:58:53.000 A lot of times we would train late in the day or at least he was going to spar me.

02:58:56.000 That way he could drink after or not too long after.

02:58:59.000 Well, I think they were very clever about that with certain fighters where if they're observing Ramadan, they don't give them big fights during April.

02:59:08.000 Yeah, most of those guys, they know not to book.

02:59:10.000 Yeah, but I mean, for Balal, kudos to him for accepting a giant fight against a guy who knocked him out in the first encounter to a rematch.

02:59:19.000 He's trying to get it back.

02:59:20.000 And then also, it's like a very high-stakes fight because he's at the top of the food chain right now.

02:59:25.000 He beats Wonderboy, and then he beats Vicente Luque.

02:59:28.000 I mean, those are two gigantic wins.

02:59:30.000 And he beat Maya, too.

02:59:31.000 That's right.

02:59:31.000 Before that.

02:59:32.000 He's on a huge streak right now.

02:59:33.000 Huge streak.

02:59:34.000 And I think he's like 10-1 in his last 11 fights.

02:59:38.000 I think it's that high.

02:59:40.000 And then he has that one great matchup with... 0.99

02:59:46.000 Who the fuck did he... 0.99

02:59:50.000 Oh, Leon Edwards. 1.00

02:59:51.000 That's right.

02:59:52.000 Leon Edwards poked him in the eye.

02:59:53.000 Oh yeah, that was in no contest, right?

02:59:54.000 That's right.

02:59:55.000 That's right.

02:59:55.000 So maybe Leon Edwards has to be next for title fight, I would think.

02:59:58.000 I believe he is.

02:59:58.000 He has to be.

02:59:59.000 Yeah, I think he is.

03:00:00.000 That's a great fight.

03:00:00.000 Yeah, that's going to be good.

03:00:02.000 How great was that Nate Diaz fight?

03:00:03.000 So good.

03:00:04.000 When Nate cracked him in the last round and pointed out, I'm like, oh my God.

03:00:07.000 I think he didn't realize how hurt he was.

03:00:09.000 I think he thought he was faking it a little bit.

03:00:11.000 Really?

03:00:11.000 And then he realized it, and it was like, you know, he semi-recovered.

03:00:14.000 But that was like, oh, you'd have had him if you'd have came right at him.

03:00:16.000 He might have.

03:00:17.000 Can you imagine how crazy that bit if Nate would have knocked him out?

03:00:20.000 When he cracked him and rocked him, I remember thinking, oh my god.

03:00:24.000 Yeah, that kid's a superstar now.

03:00:27.000 When you go out with him, he just gets swarmed.

03:00:29.000 You know what that's like. 0.99

03:00:31.000 But it's just like, holy shit, this is overwhelming. 0.99

03:00:34.000 Is he gonna fight again? 0.99

03:00:35.000 Yeah, he wants to.

03:00:36.000 He's trying to work out a deal with the UFC. Does he try to do one more?

03:00:38.000 I think he wants to do a bunch more.

03:00:39.000 He loves it.

03:00:40.000 Really?

03:00:40.000 He wants to keep fighting.

03:00:41.000 Oh, I thought he said one more fight.

03:00:43.000 He has one more fight on his UFC contract.

03:00:44.000 So he's saying, fight me so I can be a free agent or pay me a shitload of money.

03:00:48.000 Well, he did say, I want to be on that Bellator Hawaii card.

03:00:51.000 He said that.

03:00:52.000 He's a smart kid.

03:00:53.000 He knows he's worth a shitload of money.

03:00:55.000 Well, I hope he gets paid.

03:00:56.000 Are they trying to do Conor in him?

03:00:58.000 Because that's the fight to make.

03:00:59.000 That would be a big fight.

03:01:00.000 That's the fight to make, right?

03:01:01.000 Conor lost to Dustin, has a broken leg, takes all this time off.

03:01:06.000 Nate lost to Leon, but it was exciting as fuck in that last round, so the luster's still there.

03:01:12.000 That fight would be massive.

03:01:13.000 That would be a massive fight to make right now.

03:01:14.000 I know they could cut the winner in line for a title, probably.

03:01:17.000 100%. 1.00

03:01:18.000 If Nate wins, could you imagine if Nate beats Conor and starts talking shit? 1.00

03:01:22.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

03:01:22.000 Nate's just so good at getting his name out there. 0.99

03:01:25.000 People don't understand how smart these kids are sometimes.

03:01:27.000 Well, that would be the big one for him. 1.00

03:01:30.000 If he could put that together, holy fuck. 0.99

03:01:32.000 Yeah, that would be a good fight. 1.00

03:01:35.000 That's exciting, too.

03:01:36.000 Even if they're not in line for a title, even if it doesn't make sense.

03:01:41.000 If people say, oh, they shouldn't be in line for a title.

03:01:44.000 So what?

03:01:44.000 They're the biggest draws.

03:01:45.000 That's the thing.

03:01:46.000 They were talking about if...

03:01:51.000 Conor comes back.

03:01:53.000 Conor fighting the winner of Oliveira vs.

03:01:56.000 Gaethje. 1.00

03:01:57.000 And everybody's like, fuck that! 1.00

03:01:58.000 And, you know, Islam Makachev was saying, no, that's my spot. 1.00

03:02:02.000 And I'm like, yeah, but...

03:02:03.000 But it sells.

03:02:04.000 I mean, it's definitely not fair.

03:02:06.000 It's not fair.

03:02:06.000 But you could see why Dana would do that, because that crazy sells.

03:02:10.000 If he came back and said, I want to fight Oliveira, or Gaethje, if Gaethje beats him, it depends on who wins.

03:02:18.000 Yeah. 0.98

03:02:21.000 Who fucking knows, man? 0.98

03:02:22.000 Yeah, those are both interesting matchups. 0.96

03:02:25.000 What do you think about him calling out Kamaru Usman, though?

03:02:28.000 I mean, he's jacked.

03:02:30.000 He stands a shot.

03:02:30.000 I would pick Usman, but Conor can potentially knock anyone out in the first two or three minutes.

03:02:35.000 He's just so explosive, so accurate.

03:02:38.000 Never know.

03:02:39.000 But the thing with Usman is he doesn't get tired.

03:02:42.000 Oh, yeah.

03:02:42.000 I would definitely favor Usman on that.

03:02:45.000 He's so big, too.

03:02:46.000 He's such a big 70. Yeah, he's kind of...

03:02:48.000 A guy like Conor started his career at 45 and then goes to 55. I'm sure he feels great at 70, but...

03:02:55.000 The natural frame, yeah.

03:02:56.000 Yeah, it's different, man.

03:02:58.000 How much different do you think the sport would be if there was no weight cutting?

03:03:02.000 It would be great, because sometimes you gas out from weight cutting, but it's like the most unfortunate part of fighting, because you have to.

03:03:09.000 It would be better for their brains, too.

03:03:10.000 It would be so much better.

03:03:11.000 For everything.

03:03:12.000 For your ability to take a shot, it would be better for your endurance, better for your health, better for your organs.

03:03:17.000 If we could find a way to get rid of it, it would be amazing, but we haven't been able to so far.

03:03:20.000 It seems so crazy.

03:03:22.000 They should just make it illegal.

03:03:24.000 Yeah, but how?

03:03:24.000 How do you monitor it?

03:03:25.000 See, when you make steroids illegal, you bring in USADA, you bring in the fucking water people, and they make sure that you have water in your body. 0.95

03:03:31.000 Kind of like 1FC is doing. 0.94

03:03:32.000 I don't know how 1FC is doing it, but something along those lines.

03:03:36.000 Some sort of a hydration test.

03:03:38.000 I hear people have ways to cheat that, too.

03:03:41.000 Do they, though?

03:03:42.000 That's what I hear.

03:03:43.000 Not to the same extent.

03:03:44.000 Maybe like 10 pounds versus 20, which that's probably a lot healthier.

03:03:48.000 Yeah.

03:03:49.000 I mean, I don't know.

03:03:51.000 If they do have...

03:03:52.000 Well, there's got to be a way to find out what a person optimally weighs.

03:03:57.000 Like, get in shape and find out what you ought...

03:03:59.000 If the UFC had a deal...

03:04:02.000 And they said, champions, we're not going to strip your title, but we want to find out what is your actual best walk-around fight weight.

03:04:10.000 And a lot of guys are going to lie, right?

03:04:12.000 They're going to say, oh, 185. And you can put them on a scale.

03:04:15.000 You're 215! 1.00

03:04:16.000 The fuck are you? 1.00

03:04:17.000 Do you fight 170? 1.00

03:04:18.000 You're 215!

03:04:19.000 There's a few of those guys.

03:04:20.000 Oh, yeah.

03:04:21.000 Adolfo Vieira.

03:04:21.000 If you put him on a scale, he's not 185 pounds.

03:04:24.000 No, he's 220 probably.

03:04:26.000 220. He's jacked.

03:04:27.000 He's so big. 0.97

03:04:28.000 When I stand next to him, I'm like, how am I heavier than you?

03:04:31.000 That makes zero sense.

03:04:32.000 There's 55-pounders to get over 200. They do.

03:04:34.000 They do.

03:04:35.000 Some of these guys are just massive.

03:04:36.000 Well, did you see Aljamain?

03:04:37.000 Aljamain posted a picture of his scale.

03:04:39.000 He's 176. Holy shit. 0.99

03:04:41.000 He's almost my size. 0.99

03:04:43.000 176, he's the 135-pound champ.

03:04:45.000 That's 40 pounds. 0.99

03:04:46.000 Damn, that's crazy. 0.99

03:04:47.000 That's crazy. 0.99

03:04:47.000 But if there's a way to say to a guy, well, Adesanya, I guarantee you, does not get much heavier than 85. I mean, if he gets 200, I'd be shocked. 0.99

03:04:59.000 Yeah, because didn't he weigh in super light?

03:05:00.000 I think under when he fought 205s.

03:05:02.000 Yeah, I believe when he fought 205, he was under 200. Or in the neighborhood.

03:05:08.000 He was definitely under 205. But the point is he's not a guy who cuts a lot of weight.

03:05:13.000 He's just a guy that's technical and accurate and so good.

03:05:16.000 So he would be an exception because he's not a guy who starves himself to make the weight.

03:05:21.000 But if you found out what he weighed and said, Israel, what is your best optimal walk-around fight weight?

03:05:27.000 And he said it's 195. They go, okay.

03:05:29.000 You're the champ at 195 now.

03:05:31.000 No more weight cutting.

03:05:32.000 Great.

03:05:32.000 And you could do that to a bunch of different guys.

03:05:35.000 Yeah, but you'd probably have more weight.

03:05:37.000 You'd have more weight.

03:05:38.000 Because there's those 15-pound gaps, so you kind of get stuck in the middle.

03:05:40.000 But if you had 10 pounds, you could get people in the range of 10 pounds.

03:05:46.000 If you gave them like six months.

03:05:47.000 If you said, okay, your walk-around weight is 180, but we need you to get to 175. Can you get to 175 and you can fight for the title?

03:05:55.000 Yeah.

03:05:56.000 And have a title every 10 pounds.

03:05:58.000 So you allow people to cut a little bit of weight, but...

03:06:02.000 No radical 30-pound weight cuts. 0.98

03:06:04.000 None of that crazy shit where you're shuffling to the scale. 0.97

03:06:08.000 Travis Luter, when he fought Anderson, he didn't make the weight. 0.98

03:06:10.000 I'll never forget what he looked like.

03:06:12.000 He couldn't lift his legs up, man.

03:06:14.000 He was shuffling as he was walking.

03:06:16.000 His lips were cracked and just dried out and bleeding. 1.00

03:06:20.000 I was like, holy fuck, man. 0.99

03:06:21.000 Yeah, and it was brutal. 1.00

03:06:22.000 Sometimes the weight cut's worse than the fight.

03:06:24.000 If it's a bad weight cut, and then sometimes with your training partners, you're trying to get the weight off, and you're like, oh man, this is...

03:06:28.000 This is not fun.

03:06:29.000 This is not healthy. 0.99

03:06:30.000 Hopefully I don't kill this guy in the sauna. 0.95

03:06:32.000 Yeah, that's the problem, right? 0.86

03:06:34.000 It was like you really are getting close to death.

03:06:36.000 You push yourself close to death in some of these huge weight cuts.

03:06:38.000 It's a scary thing.

03:06:41.000 Do you think it's possible to stop it, though?

03:06:43.000 Do you think it'll always be a part of the sport?

03:06:44.000 I don't think it's possible to stop it.

03:06:45.000 I love what you're saying and the idea, but I think how much money and how much effort and how much rules that would be to make that happen.

03:06:51.000 I think it can be done, man.

03:06:53.000 I think it's almost like saying you can't stop people from taking steroids.

03:06:57.000 Well, they definitely did.

03:06:59.000 Or at least cut it back.

03:07:00.000 They definitely cut it back.

03:07:01.000 Yes, you could cut back weight cutting.

03:07:03.000 I fully think you could cut it in half, but I don't think you could 100% get rid of it. 0.95

03:07:06.000 Well, cutting it in half would be pretty fucking good.

03:07:08.000 Yeah, I think that 1FC, I think they've cut it way back. 0.97

03:07:10.000 But some guys are still doing it a little bit, but they're not cutting those 20-30 pound cuts.

03:07:14.000 They're doing like 10. Have you gone over there and watched an event live?

03:07:18.000 No, I would like to, but haven't.

03:07:19.000 They're doing them with full crowds now?

03:07:22.000 I think so.

03:07:22.000 Things are so weird in Singapore and Asia still.

03:07:24.000 Who knows?

03:07:25.000 Oh, that's right.

03:07:25.000 Singapore was the one when they were showing on television where they got everybody locked down.

03:07:29.000 I think China's locked down right now.

03:07:32.000 Oh, Shanghai.

03:07:32.000 Shanghai, yeah, not Singapore.

03:07:34.000 You've seen some of those videos?

03:07:36.000 That's wild.

03:07:36.000 They're beating people on the streets.

03:07:38.000 And the people are like, it's external foods.

03:07:40.000 People are starving out.

03:07:41.000 They're starting to fight back a little bit.

03:07:42.000 I watched one from Singapore where a guy was fishing with a drone.

03:07:47.000 So he is so hungry.

03:07:49.000 There's a koi pond below.

03:07:50.000 So he has a drone.

03:07:52.000 It dangles a bait over the water and dips it into the water.

03:07:58.000 A koi grabs the bait.

03:07:59.000 It hooks the koi and then lifts it up in the air and carries it to his apartment.

03:08:04.000 Have you seen it?

03:08:04.000 I haven't.

03:08:05.000 It's so wild.

03:08:06.000 We'll end it with this. 0.98

03:08:07.000 You need to see this because it's so ridiculous.

03:08:09.000 Yeah, it's definitely, what, two and a half years and they're still having lockdowns. 0.85

03:08:12.000 Wild.

03:08:13.000 I don't even think there's many deaths.

03:08:15.000 I think there's something like three deaths in all of Singapore, and they're doing this.

03:08:19.000 So is it even about COVID or it's about control?

03:08:20.000 Who knows, right?

03:08:21.000 Who knows?

03:08:22.000 It's like, also, it's like, these people that died, how old were they?

03:08:26.000 What was their condition?

03:08:27.000 The COVID that we're experiencing today, the Omicron, is so much milder than, unless they have a new strain.

03:08:34.000 So check this out.

03:08:35.000 Can you give me some volume on this?

03:08:37.000 Look at this.

03:08:39.000 This guy's got a lure.

03:08:42.000 You've got to click on the video itself.

03:08:46.000 That's on the drone.

03:08:48.000 Oh, it has some terrible music attached to it.

03:08:51.000 But look at this.

03:08:51.000 That's crazy.

03:08:52.000 He catches a koi and brings it up to his apartment with a drone. 0.70

03:08:56.000 Imagine if that fish fell and it hit someone in the head and killed him.

03:08:59.000 Died by fish.

03:09:00.000 Oh, there's no one on the streets anyway.

03:09:01.000 So you don't have to worry about it.

03:09:02.000 Yeah, I don't think you're allowed on the streets, right?

03:09:03.000 It's like full lockdown.

03:09:04.000 Full lockdown.

03:09:05.000 You have to be trapped in your house.

03:09:07.000 So this clever fella or woman or non-binary person... 0.99

03:09:11.000 Look what they do. 1.00

03:09:13.000 That's fucking genius shit. 1.00

03:09:15.000 If you're hungry, that's pretty clever. 1.00

03:09:16.000 Bro, that's genius shit. 1.00

03:09:19.000 Alright, Jake Shields. 0.99

03:09:20.000 I guess we should wrap this up.

03:09:22.000 People want to buy your jiu-jitsu shirts.

03:09:26.000 Americanfight.com.

03:09:28.000 And Jake Shields on Instagram and Twitter.

03:09:33.000 All those fun places.

03:09:34.000 Nah, you know, I got the high rollers.

03:09:37.000 Hopefully that'll be on Fight Pass soon.

03:09:38.000 Check that out, I guess.

03:09:39.000 Are you willing to do one of those?

03:09:40.000 Would you get barbecued and do a match?

03:09:42.000 I've done a bunch of them.

03:09:43.000 Have you?

03:09:43.000 Oh, you barbecued when you did it?

03:09:44.000 I did with the Diego one.

03:09:46.000 It was just, like, lit.

03:09:47.000 Oh, that's right.

03:09:47.000 We talked about it.

03:09:47.000 Yeah, I was just, like, so lit.

03:09:49.000 I got, like, scared right before.

03:09:50.000 But then I calmed down once I started doing jujitsu with second nature.

03:09:53.000 But for a second, I'm like, oh, crap, what did I do?

03:09:55.000 A lot of people say it makes them focus more. 0.89

03:09:57.000 I'm one of those people.

03:09:58.000 I like it.

03:09:59.000 I like rolling when I'm high.

03:10:00.000 Yeah, see, I don't do it often.

03:10:01.000 So, for me, I was okay once I got going, but it just took me a second.

03:10:05.000 Well, I'm glad we finally did this.

03:10:07.000 Cool, Joe.

03:10:07.000 Always good to see you, brother.

03:10:09.000 And we'll talk to you soon.

03:10:10.000 All right.

03:10:11.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 19, 2022

JRE MMA Show #122 with Jake Shields

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