The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1810 - Remi Warren

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00:00:14.000 And we're up, Remy Warren.

00:00:16.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:17.000 Yeah, pretty good, man.

00:00:17.000 How are you?

00:00:18.000 What's going on?

00:00:18.000 So we were talking last night when we were hanging out about your hand.

00:00:22.000 So tell me what's going on with that. 0.99

00:00:24.000 Yeah, I just actually had a wrist surgery and just doing something stupid.

00:00:30.000 I don't even know if I want to tell the story of how I did it. 0.99

00:00:32.000 It's so dumb. 0.96

00:00:33.000 But I tore the, like, I guess tendons in there and stuff that kind of controls all that. 0.98

00:00:38.000 So I went in, took some out of my forearm.

00:00:40.000 You're going to have to tell everybody now.

00:00:41.000 Yeah, I know.

00:00:42.000 Literally.

00:00:43.000 What did you do?

00:00:43.000 Well, okay, this is the truth.

00:00:45.000 Well, I don't even actually 100% know.

00:00:48.000 But it was like, you know when you just, I don't know, you get an injury and you think like, you don't even think about it. 0.99

00:00:54.000 You just keep doing your shit. 1.00

00:00:56.000 Right. 1.00

00:00:56.000 And it was like last September. 1.00

00:00:59.000 I was, I shot a pretty good bull elk in New Mexico.

00:01:03.000 And I'm like skinning it out and I couldn't use my hand very well.

00:01:06.000 So I like taped the knife in my hand and do the whole thing.

00:01:08.000 And the guys that are with me are looking at me like...

00:01:10.000 That's not right, man.

00:01:11.000 You should probably get that checked out.

00:01:12.000 And I was thinking about it.

00:01:13.000 I was like, yeah, I probably should.

00:01:14.000 So I went to the doctor and I was just thinking they're going to say, ah, it's nothing.

00:01:19.000 And they're like, this is a major injury.

00:01:21.000 How long has it been like this?

00:01:23.000 I was like, I don't know, three months or so.

00:01:24.000 And they're like, oh yeah, how did you do it?

00:01:26.000 I was like, I don't know.

00:01:27.000 They said it was consistent with a fall from maybe 10 feet straight onto your wrist.

00:01:31.000 And I couldn't think of it.

00:01:32.000 I was like, I would remember that.

00:01:34.000 They're like, you would remember it.

00:01:35.000 And I started thinking back.

00:01:37.000 And Like, the following January, I was duck hunting, and these mallards are coming in, and, like, pretty high up.

00:01:43.000 So I shoot one, and it's probably, like, I don't know, 30 feet up, flying 30 miles an hour.

00:01:50.000 And it's coming right at me, and I think, oh, I'll reach up and try to catch it out of the air so it doesn't hit me in the face, and bent my hand back.

00:01:56.000 And I think that that's what tore it, and then just never, I just taped the fingers up, and never, like, healed right.

00:02:02.000 And then a combination of that, when I was in, and then I was in BC this last year, like, Hiking across a mountain, had the trekking pole, and my wrist just gave out and slammed into the hill, and that was kind of, I think, the last strut.

00:02:14.000 Finally probably tore everything.

00:02:15.000 Oh, so you probably had it hurt from the mallard, and then...

00:02:18.000 And then, you know, a combination, like, and then just overuse and gave it the rest.

00:02:24.000 And so they just went in, opened it up on both sides, took that, drilled holes through everything, and then screwed it to my...

00:02:32.000 It's a bone in my arm, I guess.

00:02:34.000 So do they use other tendons?

00:02:38.000 Yeah, there's like these two cuts here.

00:02:40.000 I don't know.

00:02:42.000 One of the things I didn't want to do is research it too much because I was like, yeah, I don't really want to know what's going on.

00:02:49.000 I was like, sometimes the oblivious thing is a little bit better, but they took them out of my forearm here.

00:02:53.000 And then used those.

00:02:54.000 There's like a bunch of little bones in here.

00:02:57.000 It's like an SL reconstruction kind of thing.

00:03:00.000 So there's a bunch of little bones in there.

00:03:01.000 And they just opened it up on both sides, essentially drilled through.

00:03:05.000 So there's holes all the way through.

00:03:06.000 Then they took those tendons, wrapped it around, and then screwed it to my forearm.

00:03:12.000 But I guess when they were screwing it in, they broke a drill bit.

00:03:15.000 And then they had to...

00:03:18.000 And then they tried to get it out with another drill bit and then broke that.

00:03:21.000 And then they used the chuck key and a hammer to...

00:03:25.000 Get it all out so they wouldn't leave it in there.

00:03:29.000 Any kind of surgery, I think, is pretty crazy to me.

00:03:32.000 It's pretty barbaric in some ways.

00:03:34.000 Is that the first major surgery you've ever had?

00:03:36.000 Yeah.

00:03:37.000 So you're two weeks out, is that what you said, from getting the cast removed?

00:03:41.000 Yeah, from getting the cast removed.

00:03:42.000 And are you just getting range of motion back?

00:03:45.000 Yeah, it's a little bit like...

00:03:47.000 It looks crazy.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:03:49.000 I mean, I've been working on it.

00:03:50.000 I kind of sit here.

00:03:51.000 I'm actually kind of used to just pushing on it, trying to move it a little bit all day.

00:03:55.000 Do you have straps so that you can work out with your arm?

00:04:00.000 So you don't lose your arm?

00:04:02.000 Yeah, I've been starting to do that, for sure.

00:04:04.000 You ever seen those hooks?

00:04:06.000 Yeah.

00:04:06.000 Yeah, those are great.

00:04:07.000 A lot of guys with hand injuries, they use those.

00:04:10.000 So you can keep working out with your arm and you don't put the pressure on your hand.

00:04:15.000 Yeah, right after I got it off, I went to Home Depot and just made a bunch of stuff.

00:04:21.000 But yeah, you like it with anything.

00:04:23.000 I mean, this is obviously not permanent, but like right now, well, you know, I shoot my bow all the time.

00:04:29.000 And when you're used to like getting up and shooting your bow every day and you can't shoot your bow, you start to, it just feels weird.

00:04:35.000 So I got, I just started shooting like a mouth tab.

00:04:37.000 So you just draw it back with your teeth.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, Dudley did that. 1.00

00:04:40.000 John Dudley had shoulder surgery back in the day, and he switched over to the other arm, because he had shoulder surgery on his left.

00:04:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:04:49.000 So he switched over to holding the bow with his right and pulling it with his mouth tab.

00:04:54.000 I think that would be more weird.

00:04:56.000 It's a lot of weirdness.

00:04:57.000 Yeah.

00:04:58.000 Because you're switching your hand and...

00:05:01.000 Yeah, he limited himself, I think, to like 30 yards or something like that.

00:05:05.000 He didn't feel confident over 30 yards.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, it's like traditional bow hunting at that point.

00:05:10.000 He's got videos of him shooting animals.

00:05:12.000 I think he shot a grizzly with a mouth tab.

00:05:16.000 Huh.

00:05:16.000 I'll have to check.

00:05:17.000 Because I was doing a little bit of research.

00:05:19.000 A lot of his videos popped up.

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:21.000 I'm going to have to look at that.

00:05:22.000 Oh, mouth tab research?

00:05:23.000 Yeah.

00:05:23.000 Well, he'll be here in a couple hours, so you'll be able to talk to him.

00:05:26.000 I think he did it a little bit.

00:05:27.000 I'm using a leather piece.

00:05:29.000 A friend of mine who shoots mouth tab, he's got to be set up.

00:05:34.000 Yeah, there's John.

00:05:35.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 Yeah, it's a weird—oh, he's got like a dog collar kind of style.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, it's pretty interesting.

00:05:43.000 I was thinking, though, for some things, like if I'm like self-filming or solo hunting, I've got a free hand.

00:05:49.000 You know when your peep turns?

00:05:51.000 Mm-hmm, yeah.

00:05:52.000 I was noticing that when you got your mouth, I can actually reach over and just adjust.

00:05:55.000 Oh, that's nice.

00:05:57.000 Yeah, it's really nice.

00:05:58.000 Your peep, that's annoying.

00:05:59.000 It is.

00:06:00.000 The peep thing's annoying.

00:06:01.000 I don't know why they haven't worked that out yet.

00:06:03.000 No.

00:06:03.000 Yeah, there used to be, like, when you first started shooting a bow, there was a rubber band that would go from the peep and stick on your riser to pull it straight every time.

00:06:13.000 It's kind of annoying, but it would keep it straight.

00:06:16.000 Somebody developed something that adjusts your peep sight.

00:06:20.000 I think it's one of the Bomars.

00:06:22.000 I think they had some sort of a thing that they...

00:06:25.000 He's got...

00:06:26.000 Josh Bomar's got a few things that he's invented that are interesting, like this little nose thing that touches your nose.

00:06:33.000 Cam likes that.

00:06:34.000 He was using that.

00:06:36.000 Dudley hates it.

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 I don't know.

00:06:39.000 I think you get used to something.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:43.000 You get used to your nose touching the string.

00:06:45.000 You get used to whatever it is, and then you just go with it.

00:06:47.000 It is funny, though, if you take time off of archery, you do feel like, man, there's something missing in my life.

00:06:53.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:53.000 Archery is meditation.

00:06:55.000 It is, yeah.

00:06:56.000 And when you do it your entire life, too, it's just like this weird thing of...

00:07:00.000 Actually, I'd have, like, the cast on, and you get into a routine of doing something, anything.

00:07:04.000 And when I'm home, that's what I do.

00:07:05.000 I shoot my bow, and I shoot it multiple times a day.

00:07:08.000 So it's like every time I do, I've got, like, a target right out my back door.

00:07:11.000 So when I'm at home, like, okay, I ate breakfast, I shoot my bow, and then I've got a range a little further away. 0.98

00:07:16.000 So, I would go and I'd grab the bow and I'd look at my hand and be like, oh shit, I completely forgot. 0.82

00:07:22.000 This is going to be difficult. 0.99

00:07:24.000 I'm sure you've seen that one guy who shoots his bow with his feet.

00:07:28.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:07:29.000 Isn't that wild?

00:07:30.000 I'm not sure how he releases.

00:07:31.000 He's not using a mouth tap, right?

00:07:33.000 He's got some sort of a hinge style set up.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:07:38.000 See if you can find that guy.

00:07:39.000 I don't...

00:07:40.000 John coached him as well Dudley coached him as well.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, he's I mean that guy's incredible like watching him do that with his feet like wow oh Yeah, oh yeah, he's got a release on his shoulder So it's I think it's something he does where he like twists his head a little bit to release Or maybe it's just it might just be attention based.

00:08:03.000 Yeah, you know That's cool.

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I don't know how he's doing it, but it's pretty amazing.

00:08:09.000 I Yeah, it's really incredible. 1.00

00:08:14.000 Wild shit, man. 1.00

00:08:15.000 People find a way. 1.00

00:08:16.000 You know, if you only have your legs to use, it's incredible the kind of dexterity that people can develop in their legs.

00:08:25.000 It's so wild.

00:08:26.000 Like, look at him push back with the bow in between his big toe and his second toe.

00:08:32.000 That's crazy.

00:08:35.000 Even just the hamstring flexibility, I don't think I could ever do that.

00:08:39.000 And strength to hold your leg out there in that horizontal position like that.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, so it looks like he's like almost kind of got a back tension style release where he's pulling back and then it hits his shin kind of and goes off.

00:08:52.000 Yeah, it seems like he's got like one of those silverback type deals. 0.98

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 Something along those lines.

00:08:57.000 People find a way.

00:08:58.000 They do.

00:08:59.000 Yeah.

00:08:59.000 So your situation, do they think that you'll fully recover with your hand like this?

00:09:06.000 I don't know.

00:09:06.000 I probably won't ever get the same full range of motion, but...

00:09:10.000 But you'll have strength?

00:09:11.000 Yeah, I'll get strength back.

00:09:12.000 Should be pretty good.

00:09:13.000 That's good.

00:09:13.000 You're already moving your hand better.

00:09:15.000 Like, my friend Tom Segura had a pretty bad hand and arm injury, and his hand is not...

00:09:20.000 That was over a year ago, and he's not fully recovered.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:09:25.000 So your hand looks pretty damn good compared to his.

00:09:27.000 My thing is, like, just keep moving it.

00:09:29.000 Get that motion back because it's weird.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, it's got to be odd.

00:09:33.000 It is.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, it's weird and, like, you know, no feeling in part of it.

00:09:36.000 So it's just like that weird grip thing.

00:09:39.000 I hurt my wrist boxing when I was, like, 22. And then when I was around 30, it was always nagging.

00:09:47.000 And I got pro-low therapy.

00:09:49.000 You know what pro-low therapy is?

00:09:50.000 No.

00:09:52.000 I guess whatever I've got is some sort of a tendon issue and they injected, it's like a glucose solution that they inject directly into your tendons and it inflames the tendons and actually makes them thicker and stronger.

00:10:05.000 It's really painful while they're doing it because there are just multiple injections digging into that tendon and injecting it with this fluid.

00:10:14.000 I might be butchering the actual mechanism behind doing it.

00:10:17.000 I probably am.

00:10:18.000 But it really worked.

00:10:20.000 It had a big impact.

00:10:21.000 How often?

00:10:22.000 Just like one time?

00:10:23.000 I did it twice.

00:10:23.000 I believe I did it twice in my wrist, but it never bothered me again.

00:10:27.000 Every now and then it'll act up a little, like if I do too much boxing work and I don't tape my wrists up properly.

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:33.000 But pretty impressive that they could figure out a way to strengthen ligaments by making them swell up.

00:10:39.000 That's really crazy.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, it inflames them and then they actually get thicker and stronger.

00:10:44.000 The things that they figure out, you're like, that's beyond my skills and abilities.

00:10:49.000 I'll just stick to hunting.

00:10:50.000 So, first of all, I love your podcast.

00:10:53.000 I love the old one that now Jason Phelps stole from you.

00:10:58.000 But the new one is great, too.

00:11:00.000 The new one is Live Wild.

00:11:02.000 Yep, Live Wild podcast.

00:11:03.000 How many subscribers did you lose in going from Closing the Distance to Live Wild?

00:11:08.000 I don't know.

00:11:09.000 Actually, I think we're back up.

00:11:10.000 We're probably higher than we were.

00:11:12.000 Oh, that's great.

00:11:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:13.000 Oh, that's fucking awesome. 0.99

00:11:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:11:14.000 That's good. 0.98

00:11:15.000 Yeah, it's been really good.

00:11:16.000 Because that's the big fear, right?

00:11:17.000 When someone leaves a network or something like that, and you leave one podcast, and you essentially started from scratch.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:11:25.000 It's like the same podcast, just kind of a new name, new place kind of thing.

00:11:28.000 It's a good name too, though.

00:11:29.000 The Wild's better.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, it was one of the ones I've kind of always used that as just kind of this philosophy that I live by.

00:11:36.000 The things that I like to do, I like that wild feeling of being out there and doing something in the wild that seems maybe things that other people aren't doing. 0.95

00:11:47.000 How fucked was the pandemic for you? 0.86

00:11:49.000 Did you halt all activities? 0.99

00:11:52.000 No, not really.

00:11:54.000 There was still a lot of hunting stuff that was opened.

00:11:57.000 For the first part of it, it was actually alright.

00:12:00.000 My wife and I, we kind of escaped to our little cabin.

00:12:04.000 Nothing was different.

00:12:06.000 You're like, okay, cool.

00:12:07.000 We're just doing our thing.

00:12:08.000 We weren't around people anyway.

00:12:10.000 It's a good excuse to live wild.

00:12:12.000 It was, yeah.

00:12:13.000 The thing that, for me especially, Yeah.

00:12:25.000 Yeah.

00:12:28.000 Yeah.

00:12:40.000 You know, food.

00:12:41.000 My friends that don't hunt, I was their first, like, you'd hear all that news, like, ah, meat shortage, this, that, and the other thing.

00:12:47.000 They'd be like, hey, man, I don't know if you remember me, but...

00:12:50.000 Like, yeah, I'll hook you up.

00:12:52.000 And we got plenty of burgers.

00:12:53.000 We got plenty of stuff.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, I had a lot of friends contact me because a lot of the guys that came to the podcast studio knew I had commercial freezers at the studio.

00:13:00.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:01.000 So guys came by, hooked them up with sausages and roasts, and, you know, it was cool.

00:13:06.000 I like doing that, though.

00:13:07.000 It's nice.

00:13:07.000 Just send pictures when you cook it.

00:13:09.000 That's all I'd say.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, it's fun for me, too, because it's a way for me to introduce people to what I really love.

00:13:15.000 So they try it, because I think through that food experience, people that don't hunt can understand hunting in many ways, and that's a big thing for me.

00:13:24.000 Even my wife, I think, she didn't start hunting Until we were together.

00:13:29.000 And it was through food.

00:13:30.000 She loved the wild family.

00:13:31.000 Wasn't she like a vegetarian? 0.74

00:13:32.000 No, she wasn't.

00:13:33.000 No, she ate meat.

00:13:34.000 I thought she was a vegan activist. 1.00

00:13:36.000 No.

00:13:37.000 I don't know if we would have got to her second date.

00:13:41.000 She was never a vegetarian or anything like that?

00:13:43.000 No, she wasn't.

00:13:43.000 I have a false memory.

00:13:44.000 Maybe someone else.

00:13:45.000 Maybe.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, there's a few of those guys out there that dated a vegetarian and then converted her to the dark side.

00:13:51.000 Yeah.

00:13:51.000 No, but I think it was just like through that wild game where she just decided, oh, well, I really enjoy eating it.

00:13:57.000 And now I'd like to be a part of this process.

00:13:59.000 That's cool.

00:14:00.000 And go myself.

00:14:00.000 Yeah.

00:14:01.000 That's really cool.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, it's exciting.

00:14:03.000 I mean, I haven't taken my kids hunting yet, but I've taken them fishing a bunch of times, and they love that they cooked or they caught our dinner.

00:14:12.000 That's cool. 0.94

00:14:12.000 You know, like, when we're all sitting down at the dinner table and we're eating some delicious fish that they caught, they fucking love it. 0.94

00:14:18.000 Like, I caught this! 0.96

00:14:19.000 And, you know, they've been doing that since they were really little.

00:14:21.000 Like, they can't even remember the first time they went fishing.

00:14:24.000 I figured, like, hunting is a tough ask for a little kid to blow away a deer.

00:14:29.000 It's like...

00:14:31.000 Also, a bad shot.

00:14:34.000 If I get a bad shot, I can handle it.

00:14:36.000 It's not fun.

00:14:37.000 I don't like it, but I can handle it.

00:14:38.000 I am not going to put my kid through that. 0.95

00:14:40.000 I want to make sure that they are really fucking accurate before they go hunting. 0.96

00:14:45.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:14:45.000 I always think of fishing as the gateway drug to hunting. 0.90

00:14:50.000 You kind of learn the basics of what it means to get your own food.

00:14:54.000 You learn the basics of the entire experience.

00:14:57.000 And that was something that I was worried about when my wife started hunting is making sure she had the right shot, making sure everything was steady, making sure that it was going to go right. 1.00

00:15:05.000 Right.

00:15:05.000 Because, yeah, I didn't want her to have like a really bad experience.

00:15:09.000 But also, when we're hunting, that's what we're doing.

00:15:12.000 You just have more experience in deciding what's going to be a good shot or a bad shot.

00:15:16.000 And sometimes, you know, there are those times where you have to, maybe you didn't do something right and you have to learn from that.

00:15:22.000 Yeah, no one cares if you have a dead fish on Instagram.

00:15:25.000 No one cares.

00:15:26.000 It's so weird.

00:15:28.000 It's a really fascinating exercise in the value of life.

00:15:32.000 Because I did a post a long time ago, like a series of posts, like the hierarchy of dead animals on social media.

00:15:39.000 And I said, like, lowest rung is a fillet of fish, like looking down at a fish, a piece of fish.

00:15:46.000 No one cares.

00:15:47.000 Yeah.

00:15:48.000 A little above that is a dead fish.

00:15:50.000 Like, okay.

00:15:51.000 A little above that's a dead bird.

00:15:53.000 Like, I was holding a dead turkey.

00:15:55.000 Nobody really cared.

00:15:56.000 No one's angry.

00:15:57.000 I go, well, let's kick things up a bit.

00:15:59.000 And then I showed a picture of bear meat.

00:16:02.000 And I'm like, is this bear loin?

00:16:05.000 And that was in, you know, like, saran wrap.

00:16:07.000 And like, okay, now things are getting weird.

00:16:09.000 You can show bear meat.

00:16:11.000 This is a bear steak.

00:16:12.000 And people don't get mad. 1.00

00:16:13.000 But if you have an actual dead bear, people will lose their fucking shit and want to kill you. 1.00

00:16:19.000 You should die, you vile piece of shit. 1.00

00:16:21.000 And they'll get so angry. 1.00

00:16:23.000 Yeah.

00:16:24.000 We put value on certain things and fish are at the bottom of that.

00:16:28.000 The bottom.

00:16:29.000 I guess it's just because we don't relate to the fact that they don't really love their kids.

00:16:34.000 They don't take care of their children. 0.98

00:16:36.000 They shit them out and they just keep moving. 0.99

00:16:38.000 Yeah, and I mean outside of like an aquarium, you don't really see them as like on your level. 0.99

00:16:44.000 They're just below the surface.

00:16:45.000 They're fast growing.

00:16:47.000 They come and go.

00:16:48.000 There's no connection with a person.

00:16:50.000 I think I connect more with plants than I do with a fish.

00:16:53.000 I think so, too.

00:16:54.000 Yeah, I spray the plants.

00:16:55.000 I'm like, how you doing, guys?

00:16:56.000 What's up?

00:16:57.000 You know, like take care of a plant in your house.

00:16:59.000 You have a connection with that thing.

00:17:01.000 Fish are just this thing that's like this life form with no emotions, just like looking ahead.

00:17:07.000 The only living thing below fish would be Christmas trees and flowers.

00:17:11.000 Or bugs.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, bugs.

00:17:12.000 Bugs.

00:17:12.000 People have no problem eating bugs.

00:17:14.000 No. 0.99

00:17:14.000 That's the one thing that people are saying that as meat shortages and food shortages happen, I don't know why everyone's predicting all these goddamn food shortages. 0.99

00:17:23.000 It's kind of freaking me out. 0.97

00:17:24.000 Because I hear it about in the news constantly.

00:17:27.000 Food shortages are coming.

00:17:29.000 Food shortages are coming.

00:17:31.000 How?

00:17:32.000 There's so much food.

00:17:33.000 What are we doing?

00:17:34.000 What are we going to do differently in six months than we're doing now that you're assuming there's going to be food shortages?

00:17:40.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:17:41.000 Yeah, I don't know either.

00:17:43.000 I think a few people could use a little less food in their life.

00:17:46.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 So maybe there's that, but I don't know.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:17:52.000 Now there's all the conspiracies of all the factories burning down, and I'm like...

00:17:57.000 I'm sure they were burning factories already.

00:17:59.000 I'm sure there was something going on.

00:18:01.000 I mean, you know, it's like, how many factories are there?

00:18:03.000 How many food processing factories are there? 0.81

00:18:06.000 Are there thousands?

00:18:07.000 Have we lost two?

00:18:07.000 Like, what's going on?

00:18:08.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:18:09.000 What should I be scared of?

00:18:10.000 It's like, it just...

00:18:11.000 There's so much money in keeping people scared. 0.99

00:18:13.000 That's what's fucked. 0.97

00:18:14.000 Because, like, when you look at the news online, like, the value of a click-baity title, it's undeniable. 0.99

00:18:23.000 Like, when you get a good title, like food shortages, like...

00:18:26.000 My children are going to starve.

00:18:28.000 Let me click.

00:18:29.000 You're instantaneously drawn into it, and then they're rewarded.

00:18:34.000 So they continue to publish more fear-mongering articles and more scary articles.

00:18:39.000 Yeah.

00:18:40.000 And maybe some of those articles actually cause it as well.

00:18:43.000 Maybe.

00:18:43.000 Like panic buying and all that kind of stuff.

00:18:45.000 I'm worried that it's a cry wolf type situation.

00:18:49.000 I'm gonna ignore it.

00:18:50.000 And then I'm gonna go to the supermarket and there's no rice?

00:18:52.000 How come you guys don't have any rice?

00:18:54.000 There's no more rice.

00:18:55.000 Like, where do you get rice?

00:18:56.000 Is there another store that I can get rice?

00:18:58.000 Or is there no more rice?

00:18:59.000 No more rice.

00:18:59.000 What are we doing?

00:19:00.000 You know?

00:19:01.000 That's why I feel like...

00:19:02.000 I think that whole reason is why people have turned to hunting and being a little more self-sufficient.

00:19:09.000 Because right now, if there was a food shortage, I'd be fine for quite a while.

00:19:13.000 I mean, I wouldn't have a variety of diet, and I'm not saying it would be the most comfortable thing, but it's pretty much not a lot would change for me.

00:19:20.000 As long as the power stays on and the freezers keep running, good to go.

00:19:24.000 Yeah.

00:19:25.000 Or I'd be firing up my dehydrator.

00:19:27.000 I could eat, my family could eat, and my friends could eat for a year.

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 You know, I have years worth of food, which is nice.

00:19:34.000 And I eat mostly meat anyway.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 I eat mostly meat and fruit.

00:19:39.000 That's basically my diet these days.

00:19:42.000 Do you grow anything, like any vegetables or anything in your backyard?

00:19:45.000 I don't.

00:19:46.000 You're always on the road, right?

00:19:47.000 Yeah, that's when you're gone a lot.

00:19:48.000 I've tried.

00:19:49.000 We've got fruit trees because those are kind of low maintenance.

00:19:51.000 You don't have to plant them every year.

00:19:54.000 So yeah, I'd be on the meat and fruit train as well.

00:19:58.000 How often are you traveling a year?

00:20:00.000 At one point in time, I remember I talked to you, you said you were hunting about 250 days a year.

00:20:05.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:20:07.000 I haven't really, like, broken it down.

00:20:08.000 And the last couple years has been so random as well.

00:20:11.000 Right.

00:20:12.000 But it's a lot of days.

00:20:13.000 I spend a lot of days out there, whether it's, you know, hunting for myself, doing some filming stuff, guiding people.

00:20:20.000 I still do that.

00:20:21.000 I don't advertise it because it's just we're so busy, whatever.

00:20:26.000 And then it's still probably up there in the 200 range.

00:20:32.000 And just, is it mostly in this country?

00:20:35.000 I know you do a lot of stuff in New Zealand, too.

00:20:38.000 Are you still doing that?

00:20:38.000 Yeah, well, they've been shut down.

00:20:40.000 I'm going back as soon as they open up.

00:20:42.000 Are they open now?

00:20:43.000 No, not yet.

00:20:44.000 Still not?

00:20:44.000 Wow.

00:20:44.000 They will be here pretty shortly.

00:20:46.000 It's interesting how different countries handle this differently, isn't it?

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 But I was actually down in Argentina last month.

00:20:53.000 Oh, really?

00:20:53.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 And it was pretty cool.

00:20:55.000 It was the first time I've been there because I'd normally go to New Zealand during their fall, you know, southern hemisphere fall, where it's chasing red deer.

00:21:03.000 And they're rutting.

00:21:04.000 So it's just like elk, but opposite seasons.

00:21:06.000 But they have like a roar.

00:21:08.000 It sounds like a lion.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, it's a mix between a beef cow and a lion.

00:21:13.000 It's like a roar.

00:21:14.000 See if you can find a stag roaring, audio of a stag roaring.

00:21:18.000 It's a strange sound.

00:21:20.000 It is weird. 0.97

00:21:21.000 Elk and stags, both of them, have the fucking coolest noises they make. 0.99

00:21:27.000 They do. 0.99

00:21:30.000 Look how beautiful that thing is.

00:21:45.000 What a wild noise. 0.85

00:21:47.000 Look at his boner, too.

00:21:48.000 Lipstick hanging out.

00:21:49.000 He's excited.

00:21:50.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 He's trying to get some.

00:21:54.000 Are they basically the same size as an elk?

00:21:58.000 Yeah, a little bit smaller.

00:22:01.000 Probably like the size of a mature cow elk.

00:22:04.000 Jack Carr was just down in that area, in Argentina, hunting stag.

00:22:09.000 So it was amazing.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 He loves it down there.

00:22:11.000 It's cool, man.

00:22:13.000 Especially when they're...

00:22:14.000 Well, where I was hunting is so thick that they had to be roaring.

00:22:17.000 Otherwise, you're not going to find them.

00:22:19.000 Like, it's just flat and thick.

00:22:20.000 So they've got to be vocal like that.

00:22:23.000 Otherwise, it's going to be very difficult to find any of them.

00:22:26.000 And is it, like, the area that you're going to, is it a hilly area?

00:22:30.000 It's just flat?

00:22:31.000 Pretty flat, yeah.

00:22:32.000 Interesting.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 And so they just, like, do you find their beds?

00:22:36.000 Do you know where they go, or do you just have to find them by roaring?

00:22:40.000 Roaring.

00:22:40.000 Wow, that's interesting.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, so you, like, you make a roar sound, and then you'll get them, just like elk bugling.

00:22:46.000 Oh, really?

00:22:47.000 So you have a roar tube?

00:22:49.000 Um, yeah.

00:22:50.000 You just use your voice.

00:22:52.000 Oh.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 So there's no, like, elk call thing?

00:22:55.000 Like, you know, like a Phelps call? 0.82

00:22:56.000 I don't think, no.

00:22:57.000 I mean, there probably is, but I don't think it's as good as what you can do with your voice.

00:23:01.000 Let me hear a roar.

00:23:02.000 No, I won't spot.

00:23:03.000 Let me get some water.

00:23:06.000 I mean, you'd normally do it into a tube, but...

00:23:08.000 Right.

00:23:13.000 That's pretty good.

00:23:14.000 That's pretty solid.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 That's pretty good.

00:23:17.000 And I mean, they've got things, but you know, you're just...

00:23:19.000 And when you're out there, you hear them.

00:23:21.000 It's a little easier to kind of match that sound and that pitch.

00:23:24.000 Do the females have a sound as well? 1.00

00:23:26.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 Kind of like a cow elk.

00:23:28.000 Kind of cow elk.

00:23:29.000 Interesting.

00:23:29.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Are they native to Argentina or did they get brought over there?

00:23:33.000 Brought over.

00:23:33.000 Same as New Zealand.

00:23:36.000 They're one of those animals.

00:23:37.000 Everybody left England and they're like, we miss home and we want something to eat and chase or run around our state.

00:23:43.000 And so they just let them out.

00:23:44.000 What year did they do that?

00:23:46.000 In Argentina, I was like, I can't even remember.

00:23:50.000 18-something.

00:23:51.000 So they probably did it on boats.

00:23:53.000 Yep.

00:23:53.000 Brought them over on boats.

00:23:55.000 Wow.

00:23:55.000 Probably train.

00:23:56.000 How did they even capture them back then?

00:23:58.000 They'd have their estates and they'd probably set up a feed trap where they'd go in and they'd close the gates kind of thing.

00:24:04.000 And then they brought them over in boats.

00:24:06.000 Yep.

00:24:06.000 Wow.

00:24:07.000 In crates, have somebody tend them.

00:24:10.000 A lot of them, like there's a lot of, well when they went to New Zealand, like they would start out with 20 and then 7 would make it or whatever it was.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 And they just let them go and now there's giant populations running around random places around the world.

00:24:24.000 Lots of different animals they've done that with.

00:24:25.000 Yeah, New Zealand is a bizarre place in that regard.

00:24:29.000 There's so many animals that are non-native animals that have massive populations.

00:24:35.000 Don't they do helicopter calls?

00:24:37.000 Yeah, helicopter calls.

00:24:39.000 They do a lot of poisoning.

00:24:43.000 Almost like poisoned grain.

00:24:45.000 Wow.

00:24:46.000 Just because there's so many of them, they have to control the population.

00:24:48.000 Yeah, because there's no predators.

00:24:49.000 People don't realize how effective predators are.

00:24:54.000 They eat a lot, and they kill a lot, and they definitely manage that ecosystem in some ways.

00:25:00.000 Now, when the predators get out of check, then the populations kind of go crazy as well.

00:25:05.000 But predators are super efficient at managing populations.

00:25:08.000 When you don't have those predators, then humans have to be that predator.

00:25:11.000 Because the trouble is, you think like, oh, well, we'll just let them run amok, right?

00:25:16.000 Well, then they're going to make certain species of grasses go extinct that are native only there.

00:25:20.000 They're going to make They're gonna destroy the habitat to a point where not some of them survive, none of them survive.

00:25:25.000 Yeah, and then diseases.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:27.000 Which is very common in overpopulation.

00:25:30.000 Yeah.

00:25:30.000 Yeah, you can see the predator situation and the difference between the amount of deer that you find in California versus the amount of deer that you find in Texas.

00:25:38.000 Absolutely.

00:25:39.000 Because in Texas, predators are not protected.

00:25:43.000 So mountain lions are basically like vermin.

00:25:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:47.000 Like you could just shoot one. 0.99

00:25:49.000 No one cares. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Whereas in California, you're going to fucking jail. 1.00

00:25:52.000 Like, you have to have a depredation permit. 0.99

00:25:54.000 Like, even if you do that, the animal rights activists will find out about you.

00:25:58.000 There was a woman that had an alpaca farm in Malibu. 1.00

00:26:04.000 And she was getting this problem where this one cat was visiting her alpaca farm and just joy-killing. 0.98

00:26:13.000 So he'd hop the fence and kill, like, you know, six or seven alpacas, just fuck them up, and not even eat them.

00:26:20.000 And so they issued a depredation permit, but then the press got a hold of it, because it was kind of a wild story that this mountain lion was targeting this woman's farm. 0.65

00:26:28.000 And then the animal activist started sending her death threats, and she was freaking out, and so she decided not to even exercise the permit, because she was going to hire someone and have it taken care of.

00:26:39.000 It's like the thing about mountain lions in California is they kill the exact same amount of mountain lions as they did when mountain lion hunting was legal.

00:26:48.000 It's just now the state has to pay for it versus money coming in from hunters buying tags and paying all the other things that you would do that go along with mountain lion hunting, whether it's dogs or You know guides or hotels,

00:27:05.000 food, all that revenue is gone and instead it's just a negative because now they have to hire government hunters who have to go after these mountain lions that wind up killing a lot of dogs.

00:27:14.000 They kill the same amount every year though.

00:27:16.000 I've actually seen that in some cases it's higher.

00:27:20.000 But as the population increases, that number increases.

00:27:23.000 But it's just people aren't seeing it.

00:27:25.000 But it just makes people feel okay that hunters aren't killing mountain lions, but instead like these government hitmen are and you don't know about it. 1.00

00:27:33.000 It's so dumb. 0.99

00:27:34.000 But there's still a massive mountain lion population and it's fucking hard to find deer in California. 1.00

00:27:40.000 There's not a lot. 0.97

00:27:41.000 No.

00:27:42.000 Yeah, between the deer and the bears, the predator populations are really high.

00:27:47.000 And when you go, like you say, I mean, a lot of people that I talk to live in California.

00:27:52.000 Like, man, I hunted an entire week, didn't see a single deer.

00:27:55.000 I've actually hunted in California and seen...

00:27:57.000 You'll go out for five days and probably see seven to twelve bears, something like that.

00:28:02.000 Yeah.

00:28:03.000 Maybe one deer, you know?

00:28:04.000 It's nuts.

00:28:05.000 It's crazy.

00:28:05.000 Well, it's...

00:28:06.000 That's just what happens.

00:28:07.000 It's what happens when you don't manage properly or if you manage with emotions...

00:28:11.000 And, you know, the general perception of the public that's not informed, instead of using wildlife biology and science and, you know, what they do in most sane places where they regulate the animal population based on what they understand from the surveys.

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:29.000 I mean, it's one of those things when you've got this crazy ecosystem where it's tightly managed and people are like, well, just let nature take its course.

00:28:38.000 And like, we've already, we've completely screwed up nature.

00:28:41.000 The fact that you're living there, existing there, you think about like all these, the plant species that are in North America right now should never be here.

00:28:50.000 Like we can never get back to that equilibrium.

00:28:52.000 We've fucked it up way too much.

00:28:54.000 It's too far gone. 0.75

00:28:55.000 It's like it's this crazy idea of like, it'd be nice, but it can't happen.

00:29:00.000 You know, because if that were to happen, you'd have to have like a mass eradication of so many animals.

00:29:05.000 I mean, just to like be like, oh, let's get everything back to normal.

00:29:08.000 Well, you'd have to kill off all the wild horses and nobody wants to do that, right?

00:29:12.000 But you couldn't, you know, because those wild horses will make a lot of native species go extinct.

00:29:17.000 Right.

00:29:18.000 They can out-compete.

00:29:19.000 They can do things that other animals can't.

00:29:21.000 They can survive certain predators in other situations.

00:29:24.000 They're just better at surviving, and they can take over a landscape.

00:29:27.000 So you're like, let's just put things back to normal. 1.00

00:29:29.000 Well, you're going to have to eradicate a lot of shit. 1.00

00:29:32.000 That's a really good example, wild horses, because that is an emotional animal. 1.00

00:29:37.000 People who love horses, they love horses the way people love dogs.

00:29:40.000 The idea of eating a horse or shooting a horse infuriates people.

00:29:45.000 Yeah.

00:29:46.000 I talked about, I was in Montreal, and Canada has a different take on horses.

00:29:51.000 And we're at Joe Beef.

00:29:53.000 Have you ever been to Montreal?

00:29:55.000 Joe Beef is an insanely good restaurant.

00:29:57.000 One of my favorite in the world.

00:29:59.000 And they served us horse.

00:30:01.000 I was like, oh.

00:30:03.000 Like, I don't know how I feel about this.

00:30:05.000 Yeah.

00:30:05.000 But it looked like a piece of elk.

00:30:08.000 It was delicious.

00:30:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I've had it in a couple, outside of the U.S., obviously.

00:30:12.000 And yeah, for the most part, you don't even know what it is, if somebody tells you.

00:30:16.000 I think it kind of tastes a little sweeter than beef or something.

00:30:20.000 But it is pretty lean, too.

00:30:22.000 It's very lean.

00:30:22.000 It's kind of more like elk meat, something like that.

00:30:25.000 Yeah, some kind of game-type animal, but it's...

00:30:29.000 It's so emotional.

00:30:30.000 We did an episode of Fear Factor once where people had to eat horse rectum.

00:30:34.000 And people were so angry.

00:30:37.000 The horse people were furious.

00:30:38.000 They called up. 0.75

00:30:40.000 More worried about it being a horse than a rectum, right? 0.95

00:30:42.000 Yeah, they didn't care about rectums. 1.00

00:30:44.000 It's like, yeah, that's normal.

00:30:45.000 Well, it just looks like an organ.

00:30:47.000 It just looks like a tube. 0.99

00:30:48.000 It doesn't look like where shit comes out of. 0.99

00:30:51.000 You know? 0.99

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 What sausage is stuffed in.

00:30:55.000 But you think about all the wild animals that they would have to eradicate from this country.

00:31:00.000 Like, how would they get rid of all the nutrias? 1.00

00:31:01.000 They can't even find those little fuckers. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Nutrias, hogs. 1.00

00:31:05.000 Right.

00:31:05.000 Feral cats.

00:31:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:07.000 I mean, like, everything.

00:31:08.000 The feral hog is a real problem, right?

00:31:10.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 A lot of places.

00:31:11.000 How are you going to get them?

00:31:12.000 There's millions of them.

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:14.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Because you're not going to bring it back to normal.

00:31:17.000 There's no normal anymore.

00:31:18.000 No, there isn't.

00:31:19.000 And even just, like, I mean, a larger portion of it is...

00:31:23.000 Habitat.

00:31:23.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 You think about, you're like, well, these big animals, they need big habitat.

00:31:26.000 And they need suitable habitat.

00:31:28.000 And they need a certain kind of habitat.

00:31:30.000 And you think about that, like mule deer.

00:31:33.000 And you go, well, what's a mule deer need?

00:31:35.000 Well, they need a winter range.

00:31:36.000 And where are you building your houses?

00:31:37.000 In the winter range.

00:31:38.000 So we'd have to get rid of a lot of houses.

00:31:39.000 We'd have to displace a lot of people to get things back to normal.

00:31:42.000 Like, it's just never going to happen.

00:31:44.000 You would have to put elk everywhere.

00:31:46.000 Like, the entire country.

00:31:47.000 You'd have to get rid of every fence.

00:31:51.000 Seriously though, agriculture would have to cease because every time you go, you're like, oh yeah, this cornfield is great until you harvest it.

00:32:01.000 Because you harvest it before wintertime.

00:32:03.000 It doesn't leave any food on the ground for the animals.

00:32:06.000 So it's not only tearing away habitat.

00:32:09.000 All animals need food, water, and shelter just like us.

00:32:13.000 Right?

00:32:13.000 But if you tear out all that riparian area, you tear out all the trees, everything else, then they don't have that home.

00:32:20.000 And so now it's just a field which part of the year they can live in and it's great.

00:32:24.000 But the rest of the year they don't have anywhere to go to survive the winter.

00:32:28.000 They don't have anywhere to go to survive predators.

00:32:29.000 They just have a barren plot of ground.

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 So you'd have to get rid of all that.

00:32:33.000 You'd have to get rid of fences.

00:32:34.000 You'd have to get rid of a lot of things.

00:32:36.000 Yeah, that's a dirty reality for people that only eat vegetables.

00:32:39.000 Like monocrop agriculture and those giant swaths of land, that is completely unnatural.

00:32:45.000 And that absolutely causes the death of Countless animal lives.

00:32:50.000 Yeah.

00:32:51.000 Because all the different things that get ground up in the process of making that soil available for farming and grinding up the cultivation of all those plants, whether it's using combines or whether it's what they're doing to churn up the soil. 0.99

00:33:10.000 All that stuff kills a bunch of shit. 0.99

00:33:12.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.000 They actually do like the CRP program where they'll pay farmers essentially what that almost, I don't know the exact amount that they pay them, but to just leave it as like habitat because they notice that so much land's being demolished just for agriculture.

00:33:28.000 Yeah.

00:33:28.000 That there's nowhere for animals to actually live.

00:33:31.000 Yeah.

00:33:31.000 What does CRP stand for?

00:33:32.000 I can't remember.

00:33:34.000 I was watching that on an episode of Yellowstone where they were talking about CRP. Conservation Reserve Program?

00:33:43.000 You know about that thing they're doing in the American Prairie Reserve?

00:33:48.000 Do you know that thing they're doing in the middle of the country?

00:33:51.000 They're trying to essentially replicate something similar to what it looked like before modern settlers, or the European settlers rather, American Prairie Reserve.

00:34:07.000 So they're trying to buy up enormous swaths of land far bigger than Yellowstone, fill it with buffalo and pronghorn and mule deer and all these different animals.

00:34:19.000 And I think they're doing block management on this too.

00:34:22.000 So they're going to have areas where people can hunt.

00:34:26.000 But these will be areas where there'll be no development, no cities, no nothing.

00:34:33.000 That's actually pretty cool.

00:34:34.000 So I guess maybe it does work.

00:34:37.000 In this area.

00:34:37.000 You're going to have to do it on a larger scale.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, but I mean, they just have a very, you know, like sort of a defined area that they're trying to do this in there.

00:34:46.000 Although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished.

00:34:52.000 But yeah, that's all across the country.

00:34:54.000 Yeah.

00:34:54.000 I mean, habitat restoration is the keystone of a healthy environment, healthy animal populations.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:01.000 Like all these conservation organizations, that's the number one focus is habitat.

00:35:04.000 Because without it, you have nothing.

00:35:06.000 Yeah.

00:35:06.000 You could have all the animals in the world, but if you don't have that habitat...

00:35:10.000 Well, I mean, even here in Texas, right, there's species that...

00:35:13.000 Are abounding here that don't actually exist really in the wild where they're from.

00:35:19.000 Like orcs.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:20.000 And it's primarily because they just don't have the habitat for it anymore.

00:35:25.000 Right.

00:35:25.000 It's deforested or they're more of a plains animal, but wherever they used to live doesn't really exist like that anymore.

00:35:32.000 So there could be a billion of them here, but it doesn't matter.

00:35:34.000 You could keep throwing them out over there, throwing them out over there, and they'll never take hold because they don't have anywhere to go.

00:35:39.000 Right.

00:35:40.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing about Texas, is that there are animals that are endangered that you can hunt.

00:35:47.000 Yeah.

00:35:47.000 Because they're not endangered here.

00:35:49.000 Correct.

00:35:49.000 Which is very...

00:35:50.000 Like, oryx are hard to find in their native habitat, in their native range.

00:35:54.000 I guess the scimitar...

00:35:55.000 Horned oryx, yeah.

00:35:56.000 Because other oryx are not, but those ones particularly are.

00:35:59.000 The scimitar oryx, they're popular here.

00:36:03.000 There's a lot of ranches that have them, which is wild.

00:36:06.000 I don't know the whole history behind it, but people started breeding them because it was like, oh, it's rare.

00:36:12.000 And then they would sell them to other...

00:36:13.000 It was just like a commodity almost.

00:36:16.000 Oh, like a cool thing to have?

00:36:17.000 Yeah, people would start breeding them and then they'd be expensive, right?

00:36:20.000 So someone's like, oh, dude, I'm going to start an oryx farm because I can sell them for 20 grand a pop.

00:36:25.000 Look at a cool looking animal though.

00:36:27.000 I mean, it's a wild animal and gorgeous horns.

00:36:32.000 But that's a very, very popular animal in ranches out here.

00:36:37.000 A lot of folks have them.

00:36:39.000 There's a lot of animals out here that are, you know, there's more tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas than all the wild of the world.

00:36:47.000 Oh, for sure.

00:36:48.000 That's fact.

00:36:50.000 That's so crazy to say.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, it is weird.

00:36:53.000 Just one state and people's backyard tigers. 0.79

00:36:55.000 There's more tigers.

00:36:57.000 So if tigers go extinct in India, they can always just snatch up a few hundred from Texas.

00:37:05.000 Set them loose. 0.99

00:37:06.000 Yeah, no bullshit. 0.99

00:37:08.000 I wonder how well they'd actually be conditioned to be able to survive on their own. 0.99

00:37:12.000 I don't think that...

00:37:13.000 Well, feral cats do it, right?

00:37:14.000 Yeah.

00:37:15.000 A feral cat is a house cat. 0.52

00:37:19.000 And house cats are about the most tame version of a cat you're ever gonna find.

00:37:23.000 For sure.

00:37:24.000 And they become ruthless murderers when you let them loose.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 My brother actually had a cat jump in his chicken coop yesterday and take the head off two chickens.

00:37:32.000 You know, like a little tiny cat.

00:37:34.000 He sent me the video.

00:37:36.000 I'm like, yeah.

00:37:37.000 He's like, what is this cat? 0.99

00:37:39.000 They're fucking mean. 1.00

00:37:40.000 They're crazy. 1.00

00:37:40.000 They're mean. 1.00

00:37:41.000 Yeah.

00:37:42.000 I used to have this fluffy ragdoll cat, and she used to kill everything. 1.00

00:37:47.000 I let her out.

00:37:48.000 She was a ball of fluff. 1.00

00:37:49.000 I let her outside, and she was slowly moving in on a bird.

00:37:53.000 All of her was consumed.

00:37:56.000 She had nothing but cat food her whole life.

00:37:58.000 All of her instincts were consumed with killing.

00:38:01.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:38:02.000 This bizarre animal.

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 You know, that we have this little tiny animal that just recognizes that we're too big to kill.

00:38:09.000 So it leaves us alone.

00:38:11.000 But everything else, I'll just...

00:38:12.000 I mean, you can't...

00:38:13.000 I had a bit in my act about it.

00:38:15.000 Like, you can have a pet gerbil and a pet dog. 0.99

00:38:18.000 And you can put the gerbil on the ground and the dog go like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:38:22.000 And you're like, hey, don't eat it. 0.99

00:38:24.000 That's my friend.

00:38:25.000 Right.

00:38:25.000 And your dog go, okay.

00:38:27.000 It's a rat.

00:38:28.000 I think it's a rat. 1.00

00:38:28.000 That's a fucking rat, dude. 1.00

00:38:30.000 You're like, no, no, no, it's not a rat. 1.00

00:38:31.000 It's a gerbil, and he's my friend.

00:38:33.000 The dog go, all right.

00:38:34.000 All right.

00:38:35.000 But a cat? 1.00

00:38:36.000 You have like 0.1 tenth of a second before that cat kills that fucking gerbil. 1.00

00:38:42.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:38:44.000 It's going to just dive on it.

00:38:46.000 You can't teach a cat to not kill a hamster.

00:38:49.000 No.

00:38:49.000 There's no rules.

00:38:50.000 All bets are off. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:38:52.000 I'm killing it. 1.00

00:38:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 I don't know.

00:38:56.000 I think though the tigers, man, think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat per day.

00:38:59.000 Something like 10 pounds or something.

00:39:01.000 I'm not...

00:39:02.000 Oh, it's got to be more than that.

00:39:03.000 They're so big.

00:39:04.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 And then you'd have to have...

00:39:06.000 So think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat.

00:39:08.000 And where are they going to get that much food?

00:39:10.000 Like a cat can kill a bird and survive, a mouse and survive.

00:39:13.000 Tigers are going to have to kill large animals, probably like an axis deer or something like that. 0.99

00:39:17.000 Almost daily.

00:39:18.000 Almost daily.

00:39:19.000 Every couple days, right?

00:39:20.000 So it's like you need enough of those.

00:39:23.000 So even if you had a bunch of tigers and you put them back in the wild, they don't have anything to eat.

00:39:27.000 Right.

00:39:27.000 So they're just gonna die.

00:39:28.000 Well, you and I were talking last night, after the comedy show, about Lanai.

00:39:33.000 And about...

00:39:35.000 Lanai, to me, is one of the strangest places I've ever hunted.

00:39:38.000 Because first of all, it's this gorgeous island.

00:39:41.000 It's so beautiful.

00:39:43.000 And it's only got 3,000 people, but it has 30,000 axis deer.

00:39:48.000 It's the most bonkers place I've ever been.

00:39:51.000 Like, you can't believe how many deer there are.

00:39:54.000 But those deer are so fast and so wired because they evolved to get away from tigers.

00:40:00.000 Yep.

00:40:00.000 So they hear the snap of a bow going off and they're like, they're gone.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:05.000 In a way that I can't imagine that I would have ever believed a mammal can move that fast.

00:40:10.000 Oh yeah.

00:40:11.000 Until I saw it.

00:40:11.000 And then there's a bunch of them too.

00:40:13.000 So one of them hears it and the rest of them just go.

00:40:15.000 They just burst into a different direction.

00:40:17.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.000 And that's how they survive, that herd mentality.

00:40:20.000 It's like everybody's looking out, everybody's watching.

00:40:22.000 And then that's how they've survived tigers, but a few of them will get taken out.

00:40:26.000 But you were telling me that Lanai has lost a large population.

00:40:30.000 I think it has.

00:40:31.000 I mean, there's been a little bit of a drought.

00:40:32.000 So there's just less water.

00:40:34.000 And I think that's played a big portion of some of the...

00:40:38.000 They can kind of manipulate whether or not they get water, right?

00:40:42.000 By the amount of trees they have and...

00:40:44.000 Yeah, it's weird because, I mean, you know, a lot of those Hawaiian islands, there's that dry side and then there's that wet side.

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:51.000 And, yeah, I think that there was something where they kind of deforested it and it stopped getting the rain.

00:40:56.000 Ooh.

00:40:58.000 Yeah, isn't that strange?

00:41:00.000 That the amount of trees that you have on an island can actually affect the amount of rainfall.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 I mean, I don't know how true this is either, though, because they were saying the axis deer at one point ate so much vegetation that it changed the weather, but I don't know how that could be, but I've read that before.

00:41:17.000 I think that makes sense, because if you think about yearlings or any kind of little tiny shrubs that are coming up, like trees that are on their way up, they just start eating them before they ever get a chance to become trees.

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 That makes sense.

00:41:30.000 I mean, they're not chopping trees down.

00:41:31.000 No, I mean, yeah, I just don't know if that could actually change, or if it's like maybe they're just in a drought and they attributed it to that.

00:41:38.000 It's hard to say.

00:41:40.000 I was in Maui recently, and we were on a boat fishing, and we were past this one part of the island where the guy said it rains like 290 days a year.

00:41:49.000 Yeah.

00:41:50.000 And I was like, what?

00:41:50.000 He goes, yeah, that area right there is one of the wettest parts of the world.

00:41:53.000 He goes, but look, over there, dry.

00:41:56.000 Desert.

00:41:56.000 It's crazy.

00:41:56.000 It's like literally a canyon apart.

00:41:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:59.000 It just goes over into that canyon and it rains.

00:42:01.000 And the clouds hover over that area, and there's a shit ton of vegetation, and it just pours rain there.

00:42:06.000 Yeah.

00:42:07.000 It's crazy.

00:42:08.000 That's the weirdest thing about the Big Island to me.

00:42:10.000 Because the Big Island is so fascinating because you go from Kona and then you go all the way around and you make the loop and you run into like five different ecosystems.

00:42:19.000 You can go skiing in places in the Big Island.

00:42:22.000 And the same day you could be on the beach surfing.

00:42:26.000 It's bonkers!

00:42:27.000 It is crazy.

00:42:28.000 Yeah, and those mountains are actually pretty big.

00:42:30.000 Yes!

00:42:30.000 Real big!

00:42:31.000 From sea level to, what, 10,000 plus feet.

00:42:34.000 Have you ever been to the observatory up there?

00:42:36.000 I have, yeah. 0.92

00:42:36.000 God, it's fucking amazing, isn't it? 0.92

00:42:38.000 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 0.97

00:42:39.000 You gotta catch it on a time where there's no moon.

00:42:42.000 That's the thing.

00:42:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:43.000 If you go to the Keck Observatory, you gotta get up there when there's no moon, and it's spectacular.

00:42:49.000 The view of the sky, the view of the heavens, the view of the Milky Way, it changed my thought about space.

00:42:57.000 It reset my understanding of what's up there.

00:43:01.000 Because you look at the night sky and we have so much light pollution and you're just accustomed to seeing a few stars.

00:43:07.000 Or you go out in the country in the middle of the winter and the sky is clear and you see so many stars.

00:43:14.000 Nothing like this.

00:43:15.000 Because you're at 13,000 feet, and you're above the clouds.

00:43:18.000 You actually drive through the clouds to get to the observatory.

00:43:21.000 One thing I love when I'm out hunting, backpacking, and you're up on a mountain, looking down on stars, I think, is the coolest experience.

00:43:28.000 Oh, wow.

00:43:28.000 Because you get up on the top of the mountain, and your whole perspective is normally looking up at the space, and you're looking down at the stars.

00:43:36.000 I'll never forget this.

00:43:37.000 One time I was hunting central Nevada, and that's got to be one of the darkest places in the lower 48. Actually, you guys pretty much went to that spot, but I was up on the big mountain behind there and packing out a deer and it was a really big meteor shower and you're looking and they're like below you.

00:43:53.000 You know, it was a really cool experience.

00:43:54.000 You don't even think of it like that.

00:43:57.000 You know, you get to see everything.

00:43:59.000 The curve of the earth.

00:44:01.000 Yeah.

00:44:01.000 Wow.

00:44:03.000 That's a scary place for lightning storms, isn't it?

00:44:05.000 It is.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 Have you ever been in one of those?

00:44:08.000 You've been hit by lightning.

00:44:08.000 I've been hit by lightning.

00:44:09.000 Oh, that's right.

00:44:10.000 Yeah.

00:44:10.000 I was a little kid, and I was actually in my backyard.

00:44:13.000 But, yeah.

00:44:15.000 Lightning, Nevada, Central Nevada.

00:44:18.000 Get some crazy, crazy lightning.

00:44:20.000 How old were you when you got hit?

00:44:21.000 Like, kindergarten age.

00:44:23.000 Whoa.

00:44:23.000 First grade, yeah.

00:44:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:44:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:26.000 Yeah, me and my dad were actually just in the backyard.

00:44:29.000 We were putting up...

00:44:30.000 Oh, he was putting up a basketball hoop, and I was just there.

00:44:33.000 And there was a lightning storm over...

00:44:36.000 We lived up on a hill, and there was a lightning storm off in the distance.

00:44:39.000 In the high desert, the clouds come up those valleys that gather a lot of electricity, and you get these crazy lightning storms.

00:44:46.000 And it was blue skies above us, probably a mile away, and just reached out.

00:44:53.000 That's actually how a lot of people get struck.

00:44:54.000 Because when it's a crazy lightning storm, you aren't standing there looking at it.

00:44:58.000 You're thinking, you're like, I'm going to be a lot smarter than just standing there.

00:45:02.000 But they call it bolts over the blue.

00:45:04.000 I think the majority of people that actually get struck, there's not actually clouds above them.

00:45:09.000 What?

00:45:10.000 Yeah, because you think about it, you're like, oh, I'm safe here, right?

00:45:12.000 I'm a mile or whatever.

00:45:14.000 It just looks off in the distance.

00:45:15.000 Right.

00:45:16.000 And then the bolt reaches out and hammers you.

00:45:18.000 So there was blue skies above your head and the bolt went sideways and hit you?

00:45:23.000 Yeah, pretty much. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Holy fuck! 1.00

00:45:25.000 So he had been putting up the basketball hoop. 1.00

00:45:27.000 I think he just finished it.

00:45:29.000 And we were just like, this lightning storm came in.

00:45:31.000 They come in pretty quick and just like watching it.

00:45:33.000 And Bolt reached out, probably attracted to, you know, the pole. 1.00

00:45:37.000 The pole, yeah.

00:45:38.000 And hit me in my right leg, just above my knee, and then came out below my knee.

00:45:43.000 And then my dad, I don't remember exactly where my dad was hit, but it threw me.

00:45:48.000 We had like these three steps going down, and it threw me, I don't even know, 20 yards, a long ways.

00:45:55.000 20 yards?

00:45:56.000 Maybe it wasn't that far.

00:45:57.000 15 yards.

00:45:58.000 Everything was small, so it probably seemed a lot bigger.

00:46:01.000 Yeah, I mean, it threw me like all the way up, three steps, and...

00:46:05.000 Across the yard.

00:46:06.000 When my dad came to, he came to before me, and he was actually temporarily paralyzed.

00:46:11.000 He wanted to crawl to me, but he couldn't move.

00:46:13.000 Wow.

00:46:13.000 And I was out for a while.

00:46:16.000 So you were unconscious.

00:46:17.000 You probably thought you were dead.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, he probably thought I was dead.

00:46:21.000 And he can't move.

00:46:22.000 And he can't move, no. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:46:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:25.000 And then he actually, he was temporarily paralyzed for a little while, and then everything just came back.

00:46:33.000 Like how long is a little while?

00:46:34.000 A couple weeks. 0.99

00:46:35.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:46:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:46:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:40.000 That must have been terrifying.

00:46:41.000 Yeah, like knowing what happened.

00:46:44.000 And when did you come back?

00:46:46.000 I remember coming to, like, as soon as the paramedics or whatever came.

00:46:52.000 You remember it?

00:46:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:46:52.000 That's like my first memory.

00:46:54.000 I think probably because it's so traumatic, you know, and probably because it probably fried every memory after that or before that.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, I definitely remember.

00:47:05.000 I remember coming to, I remember thinking, like, This is...

00:47:08.000 I remember...

00:47:09.000 It's just every...

00:47:10.000 You know, like, you're kind of shell-shocked.

00:47:12.000 When the...

00:47:13.000 I don't know.

00:47:14.000 I wouldn't compare it to anything, but the movie Saving Private Ryan.

00:47:19.000 Yeah.

00:47:19.000 When the...

00:47:20.000 There's that scene where the bomb goes off and, like, everything's kind of, like, slow-motion-y weird and the sound's weird and whatever.

00:47:27.000 When I saw that scene, I was like, that's my memory.

00:47:30.000 It was, like, that noise and, like, everything was weird, slow-motion-y.

00:47:36.000 I think because your heart's probably going really fast and you can't hear. 0.60

00:47:40.000 Everything's like this weird noise and I just remember it and when I saw that I was like, that's really fucking accurate.

00:47:48.000 So I'd be interested to see like other people that have been in like a shell shock situation or whatever.

00:47:52.000 I bet you that somebody had to have done something where I would say like coached them on that because that scene of like that really I thought it was super accurate of like what lightning was like.

00:48:03.000 Do you remember the lightning hitting you?

00:48:05.000 No.

00:48:06.000 No, I just remember waking up.

00:48:08.000 Wow.

00:48:09.000 I don't know if you could remember the lightning hitting you.

00:48:11.000 My dad doesn't either.

00:48:12.000 And you had some weird repercussions for a while, right?

00:48:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:17.000 I think it just messes with everything, but I definitely had, almost still do, like a weird twitch for a very long time that had to get under control.

00:48:25.000 Really?

00:48:26.000 Yeah.

00:48:26.000 Still do?

00:48:28.000 Yeah, I've trained myself to consciously not do certain things.

00:48:33.000 It's been a very long process.

00:48:35.000 I don't even think about it anymore, but for a long time, when I was younger, probably until I was 17, you just have to think about it 100% of the time.

00:48:43.000 So what is the twitch?

00:48:45.000 Like, what does it do?

00:48:46.000 I don't even know.

00:48:47.000 It's like a, yeah, just like a, it was like a, well, back then it was like a weird, like, my neck would be like, what?

00:48:52.000 Like, weird twitch.

00:48:53.000 Like, the kid with the twitch, and it wasn't all the time, but it definitely, like, happened.

00:48:56.000 So you had to learn, like, here it goes, stop it!

00:48:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:59.000 Train yourself.

00:49:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:49:01.000 Like, things, but it became automatic.

00:49:02.000 I don't know.

00:49:03.000 It was weird.

00:49:04.000 It's weird.

00:49:04.000 It's almost like certain things that normal people do automatically that you don't think about, I almost have to think about.

00:49:12.000 Wow.

00:49:13.000 Yeah.

00:49:13.000 Blinking is one of those things for me.

00:49:15.000 Really?

00:49:16.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 I would almost like...

00:49:19.000 It was a weird thing because it's one of those things now.

00:49:25.000 I actually got it under control to the point where it's actually weird because I don't even think about it anymore. 0.89

00:49:30.000 I don't even like talking about it because it fucks with that part of your head that you're like...

00:49:34.000 I don't know, but to train yourself to do something in a different way that should be automatic, like your heart beating, I guess, you know, you're like, I don't do that, but yeah, like anything that's automatic to train yourself to do something in a different way is very difficult, in my opinion. 0.78

00:49:48.000 Wow, you have to think about blinking.

00:49:51.000 So it just kind of cooked your system a little bit.

00:49:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:49:57.000 Wow.

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.000 They say people that have been struck by lightning, I was young enough where it wouldn't have affected me in that way, but people's personalities change and just random stuff, weird stuff happens like that.

00:50:09.000 That makes sense, because people's personalities change from car accidents.

00:50:12.000 Yeah.

00:50:12.000 They also say that people that are struck by lightning once are more likely to get struck again.

00:50:16.000 I heard that too.

00:50:17.000 You know, I figured it out. 1.00

00:50:19.000 It's just because people that get struck by lightning in the first place are fucking idiots. 1.00

00:50:23.000 It's like, I'm going to finish this back nine. 1.00

00:50:26.000 I don't care.

00:50:27.000 Or I'm going to go out on the lake and water ski. 0.99

00:50:30.000 I don't give a shit about that storm. 0.98

00:50:31.000 Or I'm going to be fixing this intent on my roof. 0.99

00:50:35.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 It's funny how people that have never known anybody that got hit by lightning are pretty blasé about lightning.

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 Like, it was starting to rain once when we were on the lake, and I was like, we better get inside.

00:50:48.000 And they're like, what's the big deal? 0.98

00:50:49.000 I go, fucking lightning? 1.00

00:50:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Lightning's a big deal?

00:50:53.000 Right.

00:50:53.000 There's a lot of lightning out here in Texas.

00:50:55.000 Dude, we were here once in July, and there was a lightning storm, and lightning hit...

00:51:01.000 300 yards from my house, and the sound, like if you've never been around where lightning hits really close, the sound and the instantaneous sound, because it was the crackle, you see the bolt, the sky lights up, 0.95

00:51:17.000 and you hear the boom, and you realize, oh shit, that's right there. 0.84

00:51:21.000 Oh yeah. 0.99

00:51:22.000 Right over there.

00:51:24.000 Boom! 0.99

00:51:25.000 It's so powerful, too.

00:51:26.000 Woo! 0.99

00:51:27.000 It was so loud.

00:51:28.000 It was like we were being attacked by gods.

00:51:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:31.000 You can see why they thought Thor was like raining thunderbolts out of the sky back in the old days.

00:51:37.000 Because if it's near you, the amount of energy that's involved is so disturbing.

00:51:44.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:51:46.000 One lightning bolt has so much...

00:51:48.000 You know, they have us to harness that power.

00:51:52.000 And you're like, you don't want that going through your body.

00:51:56.000 It's amazing that you survived.

00:51:57.000 How many people survived lightning bolts?

00:51:59.000 More than you would think, actually.

00:52:01.000 What's the percentage of survival?

00:52:03.000 I don't know.

00:52:04.000 I think the percentage last time I looked was greater than you survived.

00:52:08.000 Nine out of ten survived?

00:52:09.000 Wow.

00:52:10.000 That's pretty good.

00:52:11.000 It is really good.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, I think the odds of that are being struck by lightning.

00:52:18.000 It's like, yeah, but it's like anything, man.

00:52:20.000 If you're outside during a lightning storm, your odds exponentially increase.

00:52:25.000 It's also like, I don't know, we've talked about bear attacks before.

00:52:27.000 When you're living and breathing in bear country, the odds of getting attacked exponentially increase.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, for most of the world, it's not a factor.

00:52:35.000 But when you're in that situation and you've got nowhere to go, like if you're on the top of a mountain and there's a lightning storm...

00:52:41.000 You're the one whose odds of getting struck are gonna happen.

00:52:44.000 It's not as rare.

00:52:45.000 It's not like winning the lottery.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, I always try to tell that to people that say you shouldn't be scared of sharks.

00:52:50.000 Like sharks, they're so rare, shark attacks.

00:52:53.000 I go, do you know how fucking rare it is for a person to be near a shark? 0.90

00:52:56.000 How about think of that? 0.98

00:52:57.000 Right.

00:52:57.000 Because when you're thinking about people swimming, they're only in the edge.

00:53:02.000 It's very rare they're in the middle.

00:53:04.000 It's very rare they're 20 miles out to sea swimming around.

00:53:11.000 That's not happening. 0.99

00:53:12.000 So wherever the fucking sharks are, you've got to think, how many people are near those sharks? 0.99

00:53:17.000 If they found out how easy we were to eat... 1.00

00:53:20.000 It'd be over.

00:53:21.000 It'd be a problem because the only reason they don't target us is because they don't know we're edible.

00:53:26.000 They're used to seals and other things that they eat on a regular basis.

00:53:30.000 They just don't think of us as food because it's not a normal part of their everyday-to-day life.

00:53:36.000 Yeah, the other thing too is, I mean, if you think about...

00:53:38.000 I think about it a lot when I'm spearfishing.

00:53:40.000 And if you think about a shark and how big they are, right?

00:53:43.000 But when you're in the water, let's say you're spearfishing and you've got your fins on, you look like a very large...

00:53:51.000 Yes.

00:53:51.000 You know, you're whatever, six feet plus fins.

00:53:54.000 That's as big as most sharks.

00:53:56.000 So they don't eat really large things.

00:53:58.000 Now, great whites are probably the exception, and those are the ones that attack the most people. 1.00

00:54:02.000 Yeah.

00:54:03.000 Because their food source is a little bit bigger.

00:54:04.000 But even a seal is, you know, half our size for the most part.

00:54:08.000 Yeah, seals, they're half our size, and I'm sure they taste delicious to a shark.

00:54:13.000 It's all fat.

00:54:14.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.000 They're just like a big lollipop of juiciness.

00:54:17.000 Probably the type of scent that they put out, too, in the water.

00:54:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:54:21.000 I mean, everything, right?

00:54:22.000 The scent.

00:54:23.000 It's just animals get accustomed to eating very specific things.

00:54:27.000 They get accustomed to a specific type of diet, and they seek that out.

00:54:34.000 It's normal to them.

00:54:35.000 If you could add people to that list, I mean, that's a problem when they find tigers that get accustomed to eating people.

00:54:42.000 Once they eat a few, they're like, people are great.

00:54:46.000 Then they start targeting them.

00:54:48.000 Yeah, that's the part of areas of India where there's a lot of tiger attacks. 0.99

00:54:53.000 They get these tigers that they call man-eaters because they just decide that people are slow as fuck and they're very nutritious. 0.95

00:55:01.000 You can sustain your existence of a people. 0.98

00:55:04.000 Oh yeah.

00:55:05.000 Very defenseless as well.

00:55:07.000 Oh my god, nothing.

00:55:08.000 We have nothing.

00:55:09.000 Even our teeth aren't sharp.

00:55:10.000 No.

00:55:11.000 We have nothing.

00:55:12.000 We've got like numbers.

00:55:13.000 If you're by yourself, you're a goner.

00:55:14.000 We have strategy. 0.99

00:55:15.000 I'll just poke him in the eye. 1.00

00:55:16.000 I'll stick my fingers right in his eyeball. 1.00

00:55:18.000 There, okay. 0.98

00:55:19.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 Good luck.

00:55:20.000 You ever poke an eye?

00:55:20.000 It's not that hard.

00:55:21.000 I mean, it's not that easy, rather.

00:55:22.000 No, it's not easy.

00:55:23.000 It's like, they all have to do is like squinch their eyes shut.

00:55:25.000 And it's like, you can't really get in there quick enough for them to stop eating you.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:32.000 Well, you've had, like, some pretty wild close encounters.

00:55:36.000 On the last podcast, I think, we talked about your encounter on a Fognac Island with that gigantic bear.

00:55:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:43.000 Did that fuck your head up forever? 1.00

00:55:46.000 No. 1.00

00:55:46.000 No? 1.00

00:55:47.000 People ask that, and I think I even mentioned it last time.

00:55:49.000 It's like, if I, like, think about things that scared the shit out of me in my life, that's not, like, on the bottom of the list.

00:55:55.000 What?

00:55:56.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:55:58.000 Maybe it's like I'm conditioned to...

00:56:01.000 I know that I'm going to experience those kind of things.

00:56:02.000 It's not the first time I've been charged by bears.

00:56:05.000 Yeah, but that was so close though.

00:56:06.000 It was, but also like at the end of it and the other thing, I think that there's things that I've, I mean, I don't know.

00:56:12.000 I've almost died a lot of times, so that was like not the scariest in many ways.

00:56:17.000 I don't understand that.

00:56:18.000 But that thing ran through the camp.

00:56:21.000 Dartmouth rode its back for like 10 or 15 yards.

00:56:25.000 And that's like one of the, it is crazy, but also, I was just like, I don't know why that, I don't know.

00:56:32.000 I think that I've had like more close encounters with almost falling off cliffs and stuff that scare me more than that.

00:56:40.000 That makes sense.

00:56:41.000 That part makes sense.

00:56:42.000 But I feel like there's probably something about an animal attack or a close animal attack that triggers some sort of primal reaction in a person that's paralyzing.

00:56:56.000 Yeah, I think the one thing is, I think in many ways, it's like you think about it all the time, like when you're out there.

00:57:05.000 I don't know.

00:57:06.000 I feel like I've been guiding people professionally in what would be bear country for almost my entire life.

00:57:12.000 I encounter bears constantly, whether it's brown bears, black bears, whatever.

00:57:17.000 I actually had a black bear charge me twice this year, or last year.

00:57:20.000 Really?

00:57:21.000 Yeah.

00:57:22.000 In Nevada?

00:57:26.000 No, in Montana.

00:57:27.000 What happened?

00:57:28.000 Okay, this is actually...

00:57:30.000 So, I was...

00:57:32.000 We've got these little cabins, and I hear something going down behind one of the cabins, like something killing a deer.

00:57:38.000 So I went out, and it was a mountain lion that killed a whitetail, like, I don't even know, probably 15 yards behind one of the cabins.

00:57:46.000 And then I was guiding, so I got up early and left and went out telling, like, my wife, everything, be careful, you know, don't be walking around at dark, whatever.

00:57:53.000 But I put a trail, I should have been smart enough to just, like, move it, but I just didn't have the time to dick with it, so I put a trail camera up to see if it was coming back.

00:58:03.000 And a bear had come in, like a black bear, and claimed the carcass.

00:58:07.000 Which black bears do a lot.

00:58:09.000 Like mountain lions, when they kill something, they first get it, they kill it, and the first thing they do is they take out the most nutritious part.

00:58:16.000 They just pull the liver right out. 0.95

00:58:17.000 Because they're going to get chased off a lot of their kills.

00:58:20.000 They're just such efficient killers too.

00:58:21.000 It's nothing for a mountain lion to go kill something else.

00:58:24.000 Whereas a bear isn't really great at killing stuff.

00:58:27.000 So they're more scavenged, they're more foraged, they're more omnipotent.

00:58:30.000 I'm nervous.

00:58:32.000 Yeah, I don't know why that escaped me.

00:58:35.000 So I put the trail camera and I was like, oh, a bear came and now claimed this carcass and the cat probably won't come back.

00:58:43.000 And then I'm walking back in the dark, and the bear is on the thing, and I was like, shining my flashlight there.

00:58:52.000 Now he wants to claim it as his own, doesn't want me to steal it from him.

00:58:56.000 Yeah, he's like, I took it, now it's mine. 0.99

00:58:59.000 Woofing and stuff, and runs in maybe half the distance, and I'm yelling at it, and he doesn't even give a shit. 0.97

00:59:05.000 So I was like, okay, so I just tell everyone, well, let's not mess, nobody go outside. 0.97

00:59:11.000 And so in the cabin, I hear something on the porch.

00:59:15.000 And I forgot I had like a little trash can out there with some stuff in it. 0.99

00:59:18.000 And the bear's fucking with it. 0.95

00:59:20.000 So I opened the door to scare the bear away. 0.99

00:59:22.000 Like, hey!

00:59:23.000 Hey! 0.99

00:59:24.000 Thinking, okay.

00:59:25.000 And instead of running away, he just runs right to the door.

00:59:28.000 Oh, God.

00:59:28.000 Slammed the door in his face.

00:59:30.000 And it's like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:59:31.000 You know? 1.00

00:59:32.000 We need to take care of this bear.

00:59:34.000 So the next day, somebody had a bear tag.

00:59:37.000 And we moved the carcass, and I was looking around for the bear, but we never saw it again.

00:59:42.000 Oh, wow.

00:59:43.000 So once he moved the bear carcass, he got hit?

00:59:44.000 Once I moved the carcass, yeah.

00:59:45.000 He's like, actually, I should probably cut my losses.

00:59:48.000 I just moved the carcass, and he kept hitting the carcass, but it wasn't around us.

00:59:52.000 Oh.

00:59:53.000 Yeah.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, bears are, it's, they're beautiful, and they're cool, and I'm glad they're around, but they scare the shit out of me.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, I can see that.

01:00:04.000 Mostly brown bears.

01:00:06.000 Yeah, but, you know, Ranella was telling me a story once about this guy who was on his first hunt ever, and a 500 pound predatory black bear broke into his tent.

01:00:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:00:17.000 And his buddy shot the bear and the bullet went through and hit his wrist.

01:00:21.000 And, you know, it was a clusterfuck because the bear was trying to eat his friend in his fucking tent. 1.00

01:00:27.000 First ever hunt. 0.99

01:00:28.000 He's getting mauled in his tent by a 500-pound black bear.

01:00:32.000 That's really bad odds.

01:00:33.000 Bad odds?

01:00:34.000 Yeah.

01:00:34.000 That's just bad luck.

01:00:36.000 I mean, it does happen, but like one in a million?

01:00:39.000 There's actually a lot of black bear attacks, but most of them are in almost what I'd consider like a residential experience where they've got food and it's like a lot of older people or women mostly. 0.74

01:00:51.000 And it's those times that you're caught off guard, like you walk out and it's in your trash can and maybe it's got cubs and then freaks out.

01:00:57.000 Or people walking their dogs and the dogs fuck with the bear and then they go to save the dog and the bear kills them.

01:01:04.000 Oof. 0.99

01:01:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:05.000 Yeah.

01:01:06.000 Montana and Idaho and the areas that have grizzlies in the country, that's a different animal.

01:01:13.000 Oh yeah, grizzlies.

01:01:14.000 They've just got a different temperament.

01:01:16.000 They're extremely irritable.

01:01:19.000 They know that they're big and their propensity is more to rush you and scare you off than to...

01:01:26.000 90% of the encounters that I have with brown bears or grizzlies, they run away.

01:01:31.000 They don't really like people, but there are those ones where they get, like, they bluff charge you, they wolf at you, they stomp on the ground.

01:01:38.000 I don't like that number.

01:01:39.000 90% is not enough. 0.99

01:01:41.000 That means 1 out of 10 is going to try to kill you.

01:01:44.000 Yeah, I guess that's, well, that's the thing, like, they can, it's 50-50, really, they're either going to run away or run towards you, and for them, it's probably just as easy to do both, I don't know.

01:01:52.000 How many times have you been in a bad encounter with a grizzly?

01:01:57.000 Or any kind of brown bear?

01:01:58.000 So I guess I would say I've been attacked once.

01:02:01.000 I've probably been charged.

01:02:04.000 Four times.

01:02:05.000 When you say attacked once, you're talking about a Fognac? 1.00

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 And then charged maybe like four times.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 That's not the scariest thing.

01:02:16.000 What is the scariest thing that ever happened to you in the wild?

01:02:20.000 Huh.

01:02:20.000 Man.

01:02:23.000 I would say one of the scariest things, I was in New Zealand, I was actually guiding at the time, and I took this lady We were hunting chamois and those mountains are like just straight up and down.

01:02:36.000 And she was older and she was doing this thing where she was trying to hunt everything like free range in the South Pacific.

01:02:41.000 And I don't know at the time if any other woman had accomplished that.

01:02:45.000 And she was getting older now and it was just kind of like one of those things.

01:02:48.000 So I really wanted her to be able to get this animal.

01:02:51.000 So we were hunting and we got dropped off by a helicopter.

01:02:54.000 And then we were up there camping and stuff and it was really foggy.

01:02:59.000 And then the fog cleared and there's a chamois over on the cliffs.

01:03:02.000 And so I was waiting.

01:03:03.000 I'm like, okay, in that cliff stuff, it's like, okay, you might be able to shoot something, but you also need to be able to recover it.

01:03:09.000 And I was waiting, telling her, we've got to wait until we can get somewhere so we can recover it.

01:03:15.000 Okay.

01:03:16.000 So I'm looking and it moves over to the right and I think it's a perfect spot.

01:03:20.000 It'll fall down the cliffs and we'll be able to get to it and bring everything back.

01:03:24.000 So I told her to shoot and she shoots and it falls and like lands, like it's stuck halfway between this cliff.

01:03:30.000 It was like this piece of rock that I didn't realize. 1.00

01:03:33.000 So I thought, ah, fuck. 0.99

01:03:35.000 Well, I'll just climb up there and go get it. 0.99

01:03:38.000 And so I get down there and the mountain's really, I mean, pretty much nearly vertical.

01:03:44.000 I wouldn't say it was like technical climbing, but it's very...

01:03:48.000 You've got to have three, four points of contact kind of thing.

01:03:51.000 And so I start climbing up to it and I didn't really think anything of it.

01:03:57.000 I was just like, okay, I'm going to get this chamois and it'll be good.

01:03:59.000 And it was really cold and kind of mossy and my hands started to get cold and my feet started to get cold and I climb up to it.

01:04:06.000 And it's like what had happened was this rock had pulled off the mountain and then the chamois had fallen into here.

01:04:13.000 So I have to climb up above it and then kind of scale over.

01:04:17.000 And then to get down to it, I have to jump onto this little piece.

01:04:23.000 So I jump down to it, and I still haven't really thought anything of it.

01:04:27.000 I jump to it, and I grab the chamois, and I pitch it over the edge.

01:04:32.000 Because I'm like, you know, I'm going to go...

01:04:35.000 And I pitch it over the edge.

01:04:37.000 And watching it fall, like, you know, you throw something and you're like, okay, it's going to hit the ground.

01:04:40.000 And it's falling and falling and falling.

01:04:43.000 It took forever to hit the ground.

01:04:44.000 And I realized how high up I was and how far down it was and just, like, how probably out of my skill set I was.

01:04:54.000 And I just, like, literally started shaking.

01:04:57.000 It was like this instantaneous, like, watching it fall for so long.

01:05:00.000 All I could picture was me just...

01:05:04.000 And I started thinking to myself, I was like, I actually just then realized, I don't know if I can actually get out of here.

01:05:11.000 Because I can't down climb when I came up.

01:05:13.000 I'm not good enough to down.

01:05:14.000 Down climbing is really difficult for people that are like...

01:05:17.000 And I had boots on.

01:05:18.000 I mean, it wasn't like you've got climbing shoes and solid surface and all this stuff.

01:05:22.000 And I was like, man, I just put myself in a really shitty situation.

01:05:26.000 And it freaked me out.

01:05:28.000 And actually, so I thought...

01:05:30.000 So I kind of like sat there for a little bit and then regained my composure and decided, well, I got to climb up.

01:05:35.000 Oh my God.

01:05:36.000 Because that's the only way and just hope that I can find a way down.

01:05:39.000 So I climb up to the top.

01:05:41.000 And luckily there was a route that I could get down like on the ridge and actually hike down.

01:05:46.000 But you didn't even know how to get up to the top, right?

01:05:49.000 No.

01:05:49.000 You didn't have a path.

01:05:51.000 No, I just had to climb up because I knew that I couldn't climb down.

01:05:55.000 Oh my god.

01:05:55.000 And then the whole time you're thinking, and your hands are getting cold, and it was just a really bad situation.

01:06:01.000 I went above what I should have done, right?

01:06:04.000 So I go down, I pick up the chamois, I put it on my back, and I carry it up to the lady. 0.96

01:06:09.000 She's like, I can't remember, she's probably 70 years old.

01:06:13.000 And she, I walk up, and she is bawling. 0.87

01:06:18.000 And she comes up to me and just starts slapping me in the face. 1.00

01:06:21.000 And like, fuck you! 1.00

01:06:22.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:06:23.000 You never do that again! 1.00

01:06:25.000 Like, she thought I was gonna die.

01:06:26.000 Oh my god.

01:06:27.000 She's like, nothing is worth it!

01:06:28.000 And like, just freaking out, hysterical.

01:06:31.000 Like, I'm almost laughing, but it like, took me by surprise because I didn't know her very well.

01:06:35.000 And she's just, every obscenity she could think of, she was screaming, slapping me, punching me, like just- Like, had lost it. 0.99

01:06:41.000 And I really realized, I was like, man, I don't know.

01:06:45.000 I mean, I didn't almost slip, but also, like, I just put myself...

01:06:49.000 And now, like, when I'm around those edges and ledges, I don't really like it as much as I used to. 0.81

01:06:56.000 Like, I haven't done anything stupid like that since. 1.00

01:06:59.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

01:07:00.000 Because it's so easy. 1.00

01:07:01.000 Like one slip, you fall, you're dead.

01:07:02.000 It's so easy.

01:07:03.000 It was clammy.

01:07:05.000 Fully clammed out.

01:07:06.000 I don't like that.

01:07:07.000 I'm fully sweaty.

01:07:08.000 I don't know.

01:07:09.000 And that's like, and I think about that.

01:07:11.000 And that's one of probably, you know, a few, for me, things that freaked me out where I thought like, I might not make it out of this. 0.99

01:07:19.000 God damn. 0.99

01:07:20.000 Do you ever have nightmares of that one? 0.99

01:07:22.000 No, but when I'm like, I mean, I love mountain hunting, and I love that alpine experience, and I still do it, but when I get to those parts where it's like, okay, you just gotta, you know, you think about it, you're like, one fall, I could die.

01:07:37.000 It freaks me out more than it used to, for sure.

01:07:41.000 I don't know.

01:07:42.000 Yeah, I don't like those.

01:07:43.000 That's how Cam's buddy died.

01:07:45.000 Yeah.

01:07:46.000 Well, yeah.

01:07:47.000 It happened.

01:07:47.000 And that's the thing, too.

01:07:49.000 You get to like this.

01:07:50.000 You have a lot of experiences in doing things.

01:07:53.000 And, you know, Roy, you did that his whole life.

01:07:55.000 I do that my whole life.

01:07:57.000 But you literally one misstep and you die.

01:08:01.000 Yep.

01:08:02.000 And when you're hunting, when you're climbing, you're kind of like, okay, I've got this equipment, and I've got this, and I've got these kind of shoes and boots and ice axe, or whatever you've got.

01:08:13.000 You've got these things.

01:08:13.000 When you're hunting, you're kind of like, well, I've got to get up there, and I don't know how to get up there.

01:08:17.000 And you start getting up there, and you're like, well, I've just got to keep going.

01:08:19.000 And you've got a heavy pack on.

01:08:22.000 You've got big boots on, heavy boots.

01:08:24.000 You've got gloves.

01:08:25.000 Like, you just aren't really prepared for it in some ways.

01:08:29.000 Right, and the boots that mountain hunters use are very different than the boots that a mountain climber would use.

01:08:37.000 Yeah.

01:08:37.000 They use those things with the claws in them.

01:08:40.000 Yeah, crampons.

01:08:41.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 Do you ever use those?

01:08:43.000 Yeah, I use those.

01:08:44.000 I've used them in snow and ice, and then also sometimes on really steep mountains, you'll use it like...

01:08:51.000 Even in the grass and stuff, just to keep that grip a little bit better.

01:08:56.000 Jesus.

01:08:57.000 Like really steep stuff.

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:09:00.000 That's not good.

01:09:02.000 No. 0.89

01:09:02.000 That story scares the shit out of me. 0.89

01:09:04.000 Yeah, I didn't like that.

01:09:05.000 And to be honest, I won't put myself in those situations anymore, so it's probably...

01:09:09.000 That might have saved...

01:09:10.000 Having that experience might have saved my life in many ways.

01:09:12.000 Because you realize, like, you could make that error and get stuck in a situation.

01:09:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:17.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:09:18.000 Yeah, now I think about it. 1.00

01:09:19.000 And I was like, man, okay, it's, like, not worth it.

01:09:21.000 It's not worth it.

01:09:22.000 No!

01:09:23.000 And, I mean, you know, there's a lot of mountain guides or hunting guides or whatever that die every year, every couple years from that.

01:09:30.000 Really?

01:09:31.000 Yeah, I mean, like, Roy, and I've heard of quite a few, you know, just being in these kind of circles.

01:09:36.000 Well, you've got to realize those areas are often wet.

01:09:39.000 Yep.

01:09:39.000 Often snowy.

01:09:41.000 Unstable surfaces.

01:09:42.000 Yeah, shale, all kinds of stuff.

01:09:44.000 Loose rock. 1.00

01:09:45.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:09:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:47.000 What's the other, another one?

01:09:49.000 Oh, I mean, yeah, I've had, I had an experience where I was crossing a river one time with my pack on, and it was just faster than I thought.

01:09:58.000 Got swept down the river.

01:09:59.000 Oh, wow.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, that one, it wasn't, I mean, I figured I could get out, but I think I've told on here before a story where I jumped in a river and actually saved a lady.

01:10:10.000 I didn't think I was going to get out of that one.

01:10:11.000 Yeah, you did tell that story and you found the guy that was with her was dead.

01:10:15.000 Yeah.

01:10:16.000 Floated under, floated by.

01:10:18.000 Yeah, and that was scary.

01:10:19.000 And probably, I mean, I don't know if I've told you this story, but actually, my wife was lost one time.

01:10:27.000 That's actually...

01:10:30.000 I actually didn't think that I was going to find her alive.

01:10:33.000 So that was actually probably one of the worst outdoor experiences that ended up turning out good.

01:10:38.000 Saved your life.

01:10:39.000 But it wasn't for my own sake.

01:10:41.000 How you met her?

01:10:42.000 No, it wasn't how I met her.

01:10:44.000 So you'd already met her and then...

01:10:46.000 Yeah, I'd met her.

01:10:47.000 We dated.

01:10:49.000 She's younger than me.

01:10:53.000 I'm traveling.

01:10:53.000 She had moved away.

01:10:56.000 And we just kind of went apart.

01:10:58.000 And we were going to get back together.

01:11:00.000 This was a couple years after.

01:11:02.000 So we were not actually dating at the time.

01:11:06.000 But I was on a trip in Alaska.

01:11:08.000 I just got back.

01:11:09.000 And then her sister... 0.95

01:11:20.000 We're good to go.

01:11:35.000 Maybe five minutes into my house. 0.99

01:11:37.000 I just left all my shit. 0.98

01:11:38.000 I called my brother and my friend and was like, Danielle's missing. 0.99

01:11:41.000 We're going to go.

01:11:42.000 So we gathered up our stuff and drove.

01:11:45.000 She was in central Nevada.

01:11:46.000 She was visiting her dad and like just gone out on a trail and never came back.

01:11:53.000 And so it was like the high desert midsummer.

01:12:00.000 So it was pretty hot in the daytime, really cold at night, really high elevation kind of thing.

01:12:06.000 And I think she'd been missing for – this would be going on her third day. 0.99

01:12:09.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:12:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:11.000 And so I was like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:12:14.000 And there was a – so we got there. 0.99

01:12:16.000 And there had been, like, a Facebook group, and they had the Blackhawk helicopters out looking, couldn't find her, search and rescue, they did the dog thing, everything.

01:12:25.000 And so I got there, it was, like, probably 5 p.m., still daylight when I got there.

01:12:31.000 And we get there and kind of talk to search and rescue, and I'm like, one of the guys kind of recognized me and knew who I was and what I did, and I had my whole pack, like, I was ready to glass.

01:12:45.000 Normally on search and rescue things, they want people out of the area, but they knew that I knew what I was doing, so they let us in to help.

01:12:53.000 I met with them, talked to them.

01:12:56.000 There was a Facebook group thing of what they'd seen, and there was this report of a vehicle with Mexico plates leaving the area.

01:13:05.000 And I don't know, like, how, you know, people start saying, like, okay, I saw her last wearing this.

01:13:10.000 So the last she'd been seen, she was just wearing, like, running stuff.

01:13:15.000 Didn't have any equipment with her.

01:13:17.000 She'd gone up.

01:13:18.000 And then the search and rescue dogs, like, they went up the canyon and then they came back.

01:13:22.000 And they did that multiple times.

01:13:23.000 So the theory was, like, she went up, came back, and then people, they actually had kind of thought since they put in a search effort that she was gone, like, taken.

01:13:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:32.000 So, you know, that kind of shit's in your mind, too, right? 1.00

01:13:35.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:36.000 So you're like, okay.

01:13:36.000 Because they saw a Mexico plate.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, and I'm like, I don't know why, you know, why that would, but...

01:13:42.000 Kidnapping.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, something, right?

01:13:44.000 Right.

01:13:44.000 Because they had the, you know, they were working under the assumption that she wasn't there, like, out there.

01:13:50.000 Right.

01:13:50.000 So, you know, they kind of asked, like, they do, like, a little interview, like, you know, how far do you think she's going?

01:13:56.000 I was like, well, she trains for marathons.

01:13:58.000 Like, she could be 20 miles from this point.

01:14:00.000 We don't really know.

01:14:03.000 We don't know what happened either.

01:14:04.000 She could have fallen.

01:14:06.000 We just don't know what happened.

01:14:08.000 So they showed us where the dogs had gone and where they had inspected and everything.

01:14:14.000 And I thought, I was like, you know, the way that I think was like, well, whatever you guys have done...

01:14:22.000 Didn't work, right?

01:14:24.000 So I'm just going to kind of take the things that you've said and look at it through a lens of like, that didn't work, so we've got to just try something different.

01:14:32.000 So I loaded up my pack and I had all my optics, everything, and my thought was, I'm just going to go out there.

01:14:40.000 And part of it, too, was kind of like a wreck in some ways.

01:14:43.000 I'm not just going to sit around and do nothing.

01:14:45.000 So it's starting to get dark at this point.

01:14:48.000 And my thought was, like, I'm not coming back until I find something.

01:14:51.000 So I just load up my pack like I'm going on a backcountry hunt with all my shit and just go back there and see what I can do. 0.63

01:14:58.000 And I wanted to be... 0.71

01:14:59.000 It was good in nighttime, so I wanted to be, like, ready first thing in the morning, thinking before that light gets harsh and she's in the shade.

01:15:07.000 Like, if you're trying to survive in the desert when it's super cold at night, so you're probably moving around to stay warm.

01:15:12.000 And then in the morning, you'd probably still be moving around, but once it gets daytime, then you're probably...

01:15:17.000 In the heat.

01:15:18.000 And you're in the shade.

01:15:20.000 So there was the guy.

01:15:23.000 So they had Blackhawk and it had to go back because it timed out.

01:15:27.000 Like it needed fuel there at that point.

01:15:30.000 And they were searching in the middle of the day, which I thought, you know, it'd be better to search in the evening after the heat on the rocks cools off a little bit and you can use a FLIR system like thermals.

01:15:40.000 Because everything in the desert cools down so fast that you might be able to find her at night using a thermal system.

01:15:45.000 So I asked the guy if we could get a thermal FLIR system and so they were working on getting something.

01:15:50.000 And so I had one of the guys take me into the...

01:15:55.000 I just said, like, drive me as far.

01:15:57.000 They had, like, these little Ranger things in the whole, you know, like an off-road vehicle, like Polaris.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 Or Can-Am or whatever.

01:16:05.000 So I was like, just drive me as far back as you can.

01:16:09.000 Drive me back.

01:16:09.000 And now it's starting to get dark, and I had a big flashlight.

01:16:14.000 And I just, like, looked at it before it got dark and just looking around.

01:16:17.000 I was like, oh, I'd probably go up here.

01:16:19.000 No trail.

01:16:20.000 I was like, man, we've hiked all over the world together.

01:16:22.000 No trails.

01:16:23.000 We never go on trails.

01:16:25.000 So I just thought, I'll start going here.

01:16:26.000 But at this point, it's dark, and I just started hiking in the dark up this canyon.

01:16:31.000 And it's probably maybe...

01:16:33.000 probably close to midnight at this point.

01:16:39.000 And I was thinking about... 0.98

01:16:41.000 You know, like, a lot of shit's going through my head, thinking, man, what's it gonna be like if I find her dead? 0.99

01:16:48.000 And, okay, like, am I prepared for this? 0.97

01:16:50.000 Or what if I, and the thing that really, like, messed me up was, what if I never find her?

01:16:55.000 These things kept going through my head.

01:16:58.000 And I'm literally in the dark, and there's no moon at all.

01:17:02.000 Just hiking in the dark.

01:17:03.000 I felt very, very, very helpless.

01:17:07.000 And I'm literally praying for a sign of some kind.

01:17:11.000 And I look down, and there's this weird scuff mark.

01:17:14.000 And I'm like, I just keyed in on it.

01:17:19.000 Randomly walking in the dark.

01:17:20.000 And there's deer tracks everywhere, and I just start following this one track.

01:17:25.000 And it just didn't look right.

01:17:27.000 But it's not like the kind of ground where you can see tracks.

01:17:29.000 You know, I inspected it.

01:17:31.000 I didn't see shoes.

01:17:32.000 And I get up to this like flat bench area.

01:17:35.000 And I just had this weird feeling.

01:17:37.000 And I'm like, yeah.

01:17:38.000 And then I saw a light on the top of the mountain.

01:17:40.000 So I thought, oh, man, maybe that's somebody had come in, hiked in with like thermals.

01:17:45.000 And I can use that to then look for her.

01:17:48.000 And I'll come back to this area.

01:17:50.000 Yeah.

01:17:51.000 So I call my brother and my buddy on the radio.

01:17:54.000 I'm like, hey, you know, I'm up here and they were around, they were looking around the rocks where the dogs had turned around thinking maybe she went up there, fell into something and got stuck in like places people, normal search and rescue wasn't going to look.

01:18:07.000 So they were looking in kind of those areas.

01:18:09.000 So I hike up to where the light was on the hill and it happened to just be like people that were in the area, like a couple that were just like, whatever, camping.

01:18:20.000 And, you know, I was like, hey, you know, I talked to him.

01:18:22.000 I was like, hey, here's a picture.

01:18:23.000 Have you seen this person?

01:18:24.000 No, we haven't seen anything.

01:18:25.000 I was like, cool, you know, like the area's kind of closed down right now, just so you know, because they're looking for like, cool, keep an eye out.

01:18:32.000 And so now I'm away from that spot.

01:18:35.000 I just like, I started to think about it.

01:18:36.000 And I was like, I called my brother and And they're like, yeah, you know, we don't see anything around here.

01:18:41.000 Like, maybe we'll start first thing in the morning.

01:18:44.000 And I was like, okay, you know, I'm going to stay up here and I'm going to go back to this spot.

01:18:48.000 I'm just going to camp out up here or whatever.

01:18:50.000 But I got to go check this spot first.

01:18:52.000 So I walk back to that, like, little bench thing.

01:18:55.000 And I sit down, I turn off my light, and I just yell out.

01:18:59.000 I'm like, hey, Danielle, this is Remy.

01:19:00.000 If you can hear me, I'm not leaving until I find you.

01:19:04.000 I'm just, like, sitting there.

01:19:05.000 And then I hear, Remy? 1.00

01:19:08.000 And I was like, oh shit. 0.99

01:19:11.000 And it was so faint. 0.99

01:19:12.000 I was thinking to myself, did I just like, did I actually hear that?

01:19:16.000 So I had my radio and I called my brother and friend and I said, hey, I just heard her.

01:19:23.000 I'm going to turn my radio off in case maybe that's like I'm only going to hear one more time.

01:19:27.000 I'm going to turn my radio off.

01:19:29.000 Get somebody up here.

01:19:31.000 And I just said that over the radio because I didn't want the radio going off for some random reason while the next time she said something or whatever.

01:19:37.000 So I flipped the radio off and I just started moving in that direction where I heard something and I yelled out again and didn't hear anything and then kept moving and yelled out again.

01:19:48.000 Before it got dark, I remember it was this big basin, almost like a...

01:19:53.000 Amplitheater kind of shape, right?

01:19:55.000 And on the top side was all these cliffs and everything.

01:19:58.000 So I thought, well, maybe I heard it across the canyon and she fell into one of those cliffs.

01:20:02.000 So I'm like moving in that direction, but I'm trying to move like, you know, when you're chasing an elk and it's like that, you've got to, you've got to run, but you can't run loud.

01:20:10.000 Right.

01:20:10.000 And you're like that stalking, running, like trying to be quiet.

01:20:13.000 Cause it was very, very faint and still I'm partially thinking I'm going crazy.

01:20:19.000 And, uh, so I, um, I get up to that, uh, I, I keep going and I, and I yell, I'm like, Danielle, can you hear me?

01:20:29.000 And then I hear, Remy?

01:20:31.000 Or I, I heard her, uh, yeah, she actually said my name again.

01:20:34.000 I was like, and I flipped on my light and she was like 300 yards below me. 0.99

01:20:38.000 I was like, oh shit. 0.98

01:20:40.000 So I, I run to her thinking like, This is crazy. 0.99

01:20:45.000 So I run up to her and she just was like so confused.

01:20:49.000 I think she thought she was like hallucinating.

01:20:51.000 And I was like, are you okay?

01:20:53.000 She's like, I don't know.

01:20:55.000 And I was like, do you know who I am?

01:20:59.000 She's like, I think so.

01:21:01.000 I was like, Do you know your...

01:21:02.000 Like, just, you know, like, basic first responder questions.

01:21:05.000 Right, right.

01:21:05.000 Can you answer some simple questions?

01:21:06.000 Like, do you know your name?

01:21:08.000 Like, no.

01:21:09.000 She didn't know her name.

01:21:10.000 Like, yeah.

01:21:11.000 Like, I don't know.

01:21:13.000 I don't know.

01:21:15.000 And I'm like, okay.

01:21:16.000 And then so I call the...

01:21:18.000 I flipped my thing on.

01:21:20.000 I called my buddy, and I was like, all right, I've got her.

01:21:23.000 We need paramedics here now.

01:21:25.000 And so my buddy, they were probably two or three miles from the base camp.

01:21:31.000 My buddy Joe just takes off, just sprinting down to the base camp.

01:21:35.000 And then my brother is hiking up to me to help her.

01:21:39.000 And so we didn't have service where we were, and I have a satellite messenger, but I left it in the truck.

01:21:47.000 So my buddy goes down and I think somehow somebody had called whoever, you know, paramedics and the whole deal.

01:21:55.000 And so my buddy Joe, this is the funny part, is my buddy Joe runs down to the search and rescue camp.

01:22:04.000 And he's like, Remy Founder, we need to go.

01:22:08.000 And one of the guys that was kind of in charge, like an older guy, not a guy that goes in the field or anything, he's like, you know, somebody thought they heard something, but it could have been a mountain lion, so we're just going to save our energy for the morning search.

01:22:22.000 And my buddy Joe's like... 0.99

01:22:24.000 He's like, fuck you, I'm commandeering your vehicle. 1.00

01:22:26.000 And he just takes the ranger, the razor thing, and just rips off toward town. 1.00

01:22:30.000 Because, you know, to go meet, get some help. 1.00

01:22:34.000 What a cunt. 1.00

01:22:35.000 Yeah, like, I mean, who's ever heard, like, we thought we heard something, but it could have been a mountain lion? 1.00

01:22:40.000 Like, that doesn't even make any sense.

01:22:41.000 You're saying you have her.

01:22:43.000 Right.

01:22:43.000 Yeah, he's like, he's just like, you know, I mean.

01:22:46.000 That's like a scene in a movie where there's this one lazy cop.

01:22:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:22:51.000 I was like, this is too crazy.

01:22:53.000 When he told me that story, I was just rolling laughing. 0.99

01:22:57.000 And also concerned, like, why the fuck would you say it could have been a mountain lion? 1.00

01:23:01.000 What a dick. 1.00

01:23:02.000 So they go up and we end up, he meets up with them and they get up to the top. 0.99

01:23:09.000 They were able to, like, kind of get up this ridge and then came down with a stretcher.

01:23:15.000 And my brother and I were able to, like, you know, do, like, a helper get up the mountain.

01:23:19.000 Did you give her water?

01:23:20.000 Did she?

01:23:21.000 Yeah.

01:23:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:22.000 So I gave her water.

01:23:23.000 I'm like, here, drink this.

01:23:25.000 And, like, she, like, as soon as it hit her lip, she, like, spit it out.

01:23:28.000 She's like, fire.

01:23:30.000 Like...

01:23:30.000 So she was so dehydrated.

01:23:32.000 So dehydrated.

01:23:33.000 Like, it just started, like, burning.

01:23:34.000 Like, the water was burning.

01:23:36.000 Oh, my God.

01:23:37.000 Yeah.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 And so we got her up to the paramedics and then, obviously, to the hospital in, like, a pretty extensive rehydration thing.

01:23:47.000 And, yeah.

01:23:48.000 And, you know, like, she wasn't feeling good when she went out.

01:23:52.000 And I think it was just like, oh, I'm going to go...

01:23:54.000 When you're sick or whatever, you're just like...

01:23:56.000 Not feeling good, you go out to do something to feel better.

01:24:01.000 Probably went beyond capabilities, I think, and woke up and didn't know where she was.

01:24:05.000 So she went out kind of sick and thought she was going to sweat it out?

01:24:09.000 Yeah.

01:24:10.000 Wow.

01:24:11.000 Just went on a run.

01:24:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:24:13.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:24:15.000 And then just had no clue. 1.00

01:24:19.000 Had no clue, like, where she...

01:24:22.000 I think the good thing is when she didn't know where she was, she didn't go anywhere else.

01:24:28.000 She stayed put, which is definitely...

01:24:31.000 Yeah, because you just, like, have no clue where you are.

01:24:35.000 You don't, like, don't know where to start going.

01:24:36.000 They would have never found her if it wasn't for you.

01:24:38.000 I don't think so.

01:24:39.000 Wow.

01:24:40.000 I don't know.

01:24:41.000 Dude, she owes you.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, well, now we're married.

01:24:45.000 That's how I got her back.

01:24:47.000 I was like, it's a solid way to win an argument.

01:24:50.000 I think we should, I definitely think we should go here for dinner.

01:24:53.000 I'm like, nah, I'm not really feeling that, but remember that time I saved your life?

01:25:00.000 Wow.

01:25:00.000 Talk about a bond.

01:25:03.000 You guys have a bond forever.

01:25:05.000 Oh, for sure.

01:25:06.000 Yeah, it's a pretty, I don't know.

01:25:08.000 That's a crazy bond.

01:25:09.000 That's a crazy bond.

01:25:10.000 Yeah.

01:25:11.000 The fact that you found her.

01:25:12.000 And then the type of person that has the capability to do what you do on a daily basis.

01:25:18.000 Most people are not going to be able to get to her. 0.58

01:25:20.000 They're not going to be able to have the understanding of how to navigate and how to get around, or they're not going to have the aerobic capacity that you have.

01:25:29.000 All those times of hunting and camping and hiking, you have crazy, sick cardio.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, it's like a lifetime of essentially spending my entire life looking for things that are hard to find, and then using it in a way that was more beneficial than anything else I'd ever done.

01:25:47.000 Wow, that's amazing.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 Wow.

01:25:51.000 He's like, you never know the skills that you gain over life, what you get to use them for.

01:25:56.000 How long did it take before she recovered?

01:25:58.000 A while.

01:26:00.000 I didn't realize the level of how out of it you are in those situations.

01:26:07.000 That was my major not understanding.

01:26:11.000 You hear those stories of people, they're snowmobiling, and they get stuck, and they find them naked, dead.

01:26:19.000 And you go, I had never experienced that, or seen people in that situation.

01:26:25.000 You hear about it, but that's not the first thing that pops in your mind.

01:26:28.000 You think like, oh, I found you, everything's fine, but you don't realize like the mental toll that it takes on people either.

01:26:34.000 Just like not, and being like, you know, essentially freezing at night.

01:26:39.000 It's one of those days in Nevada where it gets like, it'll be 100 in the day and like probably 34 at night.

01:26:45.000 Or 80, 90 in the sun in the day and then really big temperature swings that time of year in the high country because you're up at 10, 12,000 feet.

01:26:54.000 You know, probably 10,000 feet, something like that.

01:26:56.000 And she's just dressed for jogging.

01:26:58.000 Yeah.

01:26:58.000 No water.

01:26:59.000 No water.

01:26:59.000 Nothing.

01:27:00.000 And so she's out there for three days?

01:27:03.000 Going on a third day, yeah.

01:27:04.000 Which is, in those kind of situations, pretty much...

01:27:08.000 The verge of death.

01:27:09.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 How many days can you go without water?

01:27:12.000 About three.

01:27:15.000 Especially when, you know, you're already taxed and...

01:27:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:20.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:27:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:23.000 Yeah, it was a...

01:27:24.000 And I mean, on her end, too, it took a while of just essentially the PTSD of an experience like that, where it's like you're doing something you love and whatever, and you just...

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:39.000 It was pretty crazy.

01:27:41.000 Wow.

01:27:42.000 How long was it before she was 100% again?

01:27:45.000 Mm...

01:27:47.000 I don't know, a while, like maybe, I don't know, six months. 1.00

01:27:51.000 Holy shit! 0.97

01:27:52.000 Well, I mean, just like of like the experience. 0.99

01:27:54.000 Oh, the mind and everything.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, no, like, I mean, back to like physical shape, like a couple days.

01:28:00.000 Oh.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:03.000 Man, that's got to be the most memorable one, right?

01:28:07.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:28:08.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:28:08.000 Probably the most scared I've ever been, too. 1.00

01:28:11.000 Scared for someone else.

01:28:13.000 I don't get scared for myself in most situations.

01:28:16.000 But now having a kid and a family, I get scared for them if something goes down for me.

01:28:22.000 If that makes sense.

01:28:24.000 I'm not a person that is very concerned about my own safety in this weird way.

01:28:29.000 But I'm very...

01:28:30.000 Now I've got like...

01:28:32.000 Well, you know.

01:28:33.000 Having a kid and it's like...

01:28:34.000 It's a game changer.

01:28:35.000 Yeah, it's a game changer.

01:28:36.000 You know what's funny?

01:28:38.000 This is a weird thing, but I actually...

01:28:41.000 When I had my daughter...

01:28:43.000 She's 10 months old now.

01:28:44.000 I had my daughter and you popped into my head for this reason of...

01:28:48.000 The first time we talked...

01:28:50.000 I don't even...

01:28:50.000 Was it...

01:28:51.000 8, 7, 10, I don't know, a long time ago.

01:28:53.000 How many years ago was that?

01:28:54.000 It's a long time ago.

01:28:55.000 A long time ago.

01:28:55.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 And you said something, and I agreed with you, and in my mind, I was thinking, this guy's fucking crazy.

01:29:03.000 You said something about, it was the first time you're hunting, I can't remember if it was on the podcast or just when we were talking. 0.79

01:29:07.000 Yeah.

01:29:08.000 You said, you're like, the first time you went hunting, you're like, yeah, there's been very few experiences in my life where I felt like that.

01:29:14.000 I don't even know if you remember saying this.

01:29:16.000 And you said, you're like, having my kid was the first, like, it was like that.

01:29:20.000 And I don't know if you remember saying that.

01:29:23.000 And I was like, you said that?

01:29:25.000 And I thought, that is the weirdest thing to say.

01:29:27.000 I can't wrap my head around it.

01:29:29.000 And then I had a baby and I'm like, oh yeah, I get what he's talking about.

01:29:32.000 It was the most primal, like, it was a very weird experience. 1.00

01:29:36.000 I was like, oh, actually, he wasn't full of shit. 0.98

01:29:39.000 It breaks the mundane pattern of everyday existence in a way that's so undeniable that you realize there's a chemical, biological, genetic connection. 0.99

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:55.000 That you have to this child and the mother and this experience and like you're so locked in in a way that you didn't think you were ever going to be with anything.

01:30:07.000 Like you didn't even know that that feeling was available to people.

01:30:10.000 Correct.

01:30:10.000 Like I had always knew that people had kids and I love babies.

01:30:14.000 I love everybody.

01:30:15.000 It's great.

01:30:16.000 Having kids must be great.

01:30:17.000 Now you got a kid.

01:30:18.000 Congratulations.

01:30:19.000 But until you see a baby come out of a woman and it's your child and it's her child and you made this child together and now this child's alive and then every fire, every cell in your body fires up.

01:30:37.000 And it's like, okay, now we're in dad mode.

01:30:42.000 Now you're in protector mode.

01:30:45.000 Now you're in, you know, you gotta, like, I became way more ambitious.

01:30:49.000 I started working harder.

01:30:50.000 I was way more disciplined, like everything.

01:30:53.000 Way more attentive.

01:30:54.000 I was like, holy, this is real.

01:30:57.000 First time I went hunting, I remember just locking eyes on the mule deer and realizing it was about to go down and then getting him in my sights.

01:31:16.000 I wound up dropping I wound up hitting him in the spine and he dropped and then I finished him off we had to get up close to him and finish him off and When I finished him off it was like I was like this is like almost psychedelic in the way it changes the way you feel about things like When we were cutting that animal up and then we were eating the animal,

01:31:38.000 I was like, this is one of the most primal things I've ever experienced.

01:31:43.000 And it's in many ways not like having a kid in that it's not the same kind of feeling, but also it's a feeling that you didn't know was available.

01:31:53.000 That it was so primal and it felt so natural.

01:31:58.000 It's like my body was like, yep, this is how you do it.

01:32:01.000 This is what you have to do if you want to get meat. 0.99

01:32:03.000 You have to kill the animal. 0.99

01:32:04.000 Once you kill the animal, you get this feeling of completion, of satisfaction, of this human reward system that kicks in. 0.99

01:32:16.000 Because for... 0.97

01:32:18.000 Fucking untold thousands of years when someone shot an animal and killed an animal it meant that was going to feed your family and that was a good thing and it wanted to reward you with that good feeling so that you could continue to survive and that your genes would carry on and the human race would survive. 0.97

01:32:33.000 Yeah, it's like that. 0.98

01:32:35.000 That's the best way to say it is a feeling that you didn't know was even there.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, you didn't know it was available.

01:32:41.000 You didn't know.

01:32:42.000 It's like you can explain it, but it's not something, same thing.

01:32:46.000 Somebody's like, oh yeah, that's great, this, that, and the other thing.

01:32:48.000 Okay.

01:32:49.000 But you don't know that shift of something that's just innate that just happens and you can only access that by experiencing it.

01:32:57.000 The moment I shot that mule deer, I mean, it's on the show, we talked about it, while Ronella was like, you know, so what are your thoughts on hunting?

01:33:07.000 I'm like, I'm doing this forever.

01:33:08.000 I'm like, this is what I'm doing.

01:33:10.000 Like, I'm 100% sure this is how I'm going to get meat now.

01:33:15.000 Like the moment, when we were sitting over that campfire and we were eating the deer that we had just shot, you know, hours earlier, and we're cooking it and eating it and it was so delicious and it was so fresh.

01:33:29.000 I was thinking, of course this is what I'm going to do now.

01:33:32.000 This is what I'm going to do.

01:33:33.000 I'm not going to not do this. 0.98

01:33:35.000 This was fucking amazing. 0.98

01:33:37.000 It was really hard to do. 0.99

01:33:39.000 It was difficult.

01:33:40.000 It was nine degrees outside. 0.99

01:33:41.000 We're camping, freezing our dicks off, and fucking hiking forever. 0.99

01:33:47.000 The satisfaction of completing the task and getting the deer and eating the deer, I was like, oh, I found some new shit I really like. 0.99

01:33:55.000 Like, this is my new thing. 0.95

01:33:56.000 And since then, it's been a giant part of my life.

01:33:59.000 And that was 10 years ago.

01:34:01.000 Exactly 10 years ago when I started hunting.

01:34:03.000 It was 2012. Wow.

01:34:05.000 Yeah.

01:34:06.000 That's cool. 0.90

01:34:07.000 It was fucking awesome. 0.70

01:34:08.000 I owe Ronella forever for that. 0.96

01:34:10.000 That's really cool.

01:34:11.000 Because it changed who I am as a person.

01:34:14.000 It changed my relationship to food.

01:34:15.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, too.

01:34:18.000 Like, when you experience that as hunters, there's a lot of people that are like, oh, you go hunting?

01:34:23.000 And yeah, I mean, obviously, for me, it's a little extreme.

01:34:26.000 You gotta shut that thing off, right?

01:34:28.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:34:29.000 Goddamn Android phones. 1.00

01:34:30.000 You don't even know how to shut them off, do you? 1.00

01:34:32.000 No, it's brand new.

01:34:33.000 Yeah.

01:34:38.000 You're one of those guys that's the diehardiest Android guy I know.

01:34:42.000 I am, yeah.

01:34:44.000 Did you switch back to the Apple phone?

01:34:46.000 I have two.

01:34:47.000 I have an iPhone. 0.99

01:34:48.000 The problem is my fucking whole family has iPhones. 0.99

01:34:51.000 And so they're always sharing, they're airdropping stuff. 0.99

01:34:54.000 And then I also use this phone as, I have Apple TV, so I use my phone as a remote.

01:35:00.000 Because it's way better than the remote that comes.

01:35:02.000 It's like connected in the system.

01:35:03.000 Yeah.

01:35:04.000 It's like, they get you.

01:35:05.000 They do. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Motherfuckers get you. 1.00

01:35:07.000 I know. 1.00

01:35:08.000 I'm a feature-rich guy.

01:35:10.000 And I don't even like to communicate with people, so it's perfect.

01:35:13.000 I don't need the sharing.

01:35:14.000 I'm just like, I'll talk to you.

01:35:16.000 The thing about the iPhone iMessage that's so much better is that you can get videos and images and they'll come in full resolution.

01:35:26.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:35:26.000 Whereas if you text me a video, it's going to look like diggity dog shit by the time it gets to my phone. 0.98

01:35:31.000 I know. 0.99

01:35:31.000 I use WhatsApp a lot, though. 0.99

01:35:33.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 A lot of people, like, I've got a lot of friends all over the place.

01:35:35.000 That's great if you live in another country.

01:35:37.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:35:37.000 This is America, motherfucker. 1.00

01:35:38.000 We don't use WhatsApp. 1.00

01:35:41.000 No, it's not me.

01:35:42.000 There's a small percentage of people who use WhatsApp in America.

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 I use Signal, though.

01:35:47.000 Signal's really good.

01:35:48.000 And Signal is very similar in that you could send, like, higher resolution videos and audio.

01:35:53.000 And you can actually use it for calls and...

01:35:55.000 Stuff like that.

01:35:56.000 I think you can use signal for video call as well, but it's encrypted, peer-to-peer, so it's not like it's going to a third-party server or anything like that.

01:36:05.000 Oh, cool.

01:36:06.000 Yeah, but either way, I had this guy Gavin DeBecker on as a security expert, said, listen, even so, they're still listening to all your phone calls.

01:36:14.000 They're still looking at everything you send.

01:36:16.000 There's no privacy anymore.

01:36:17.000 I was like, really?

01:36:18.000 He's like, there's no privacy.

01:36:20.000 I say, so it doesn't have to be like an app that you accidentally download?

01:36:24.000 He's like, no.

01:36:25.000 All they have to do is have your phone number.

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:28.000 Oh, I don't send anything.

01:36:29.000 I was like, oh, I don't care.

01:36:31.000 I say that too, but it's not what concerns me.

01:36:34.000 What concerns me is that the government, these creeps that a lot of them aren't even elected, there's just people that are bureaucrats that have been embedded into the system forever, have... 0.93

01:36:43.000 Essentially have access to every fucking person on the planet's text messages and emails. 0.87

01:36:48.000 Anytime you send something, they have access to it. 0.98

01:36:51.000 That's real right now.

01:36:55.000 Yeah, and in a text message, you don't get the whole context.

01:36:57.000 You don't know what you were talking to your buddy five minutes before.

01:37:00.000 Well, I did that bit about it last night.

01:37:02.000 I was laughing so hard.

01:37:04.000 It was so great because it was so true.

01:37:07.000 I mean, it's like everything's so out of context.

01:37:09.000 Yeah, if my wife was my employee, I'd be in jail. 1.00

01:37:15.000 I was like, you don't know the context around this.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, I mean, you could take any one of the texts that I send with my comedian buddies that we send to each other.

01:37:24.000 Any one of them is horrible if you don't understand what's going on. 0.99

01:37:29.000 These guys will say the most horrible shit to me through text messages just so we could laugh. 1.00

01:37:38.000 Because we've fucking heard it all, right? 0.99

01:37:41.000 I've been a comic for 30-plus years, so comedians that are also comics, to shock them, they'll send me the worst things, and the worst images, the worst videos, and ha-ha-ha, with a joke attached to it. 0.97

01:37:59.000 And people are like, you guys are terrible, but to who?

01:38:02.000 To each other?

01:38:03.000 Yeah.

01:38:03.000 No, it works with us.

01:38:05.000 It's the only way to get me to laugh.

01:38:09.000 You're just so numb and desensitized, it's got to just keep going up.

01:38:12.000 Well, it's also like we're playing a game with each other, right?

01:38:15.000 Because we're in the business together. 0.98

01:38:17.000 So it's like, to shock me, You know, you have to send me some ruthless shit, and so there's a lot that comes my way. 0.98

01:38:27.000 It's funny because I'm paying attention to this Amber Heard-Johnny Depp trial, and I'm realizing the old text messages, if you get into divorce, man, they'll fucking come up in a trial. 0.99

01:38:39.000 That trial's horrible to watch. 0.97

01:38:42.000 I can't look away.

01:38:43.000 I just saw that on the news.

01:38:45.000 I haven't even been paying attention to it.

01:38:46.000 So I was like, I didn't even know what it was.

01:38:48.000 If you look at it from my perspective, not knowing what was going on and then trying to read stuff, I was like, what kind of circus is this, right?

01:38:56.000 And I've been missing this?

01:38:57.000 What?

01:38:58.000 It's actors.

01:38:59.000 That's what it is.

01:39:00.000 They are broken people.

01:39:02.000 And it's a system that doesn't allow you to ever become a full, normal, functioning member of society.

01:39:11.000 Because you're coddled, and you're treated in this very bizarre way, and you're isolated from everyone else except for all the people that are your handlers, or the people that are your sycophants, or the people that love you, and publicists, and agents,

01:39:26.000 and People that make a living off of you.

01:39:28.000 So that is your existence. 1.00

01:39:29.000 And then you're married to a fucking crazy bitch who throws bottles at you and wants to kill you if you don't sign a prenup or if you want her to sign a prenup rather. 1.00

01:39:38.000 It's wild. 1.00

01:39:40.000 That relationship is wild.

01:39:41.000 And watching her sit there and try to act like she's not a psychopath while all this is going on while they're playing the audio recordings of her talking about hitting him and all the craziness.

01:39:53.000 She recorded all their conversations. 0.96

01:39:56.000 That alone, like if that's not the biggest fucking red flag, like she recorded dozens and dozens of conversations where he had no idea that he was being recorded. 1.00

01:40:04.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:40:06.000 That's the thing about now. 0.99

01:40:08.000 So much of everybody's life is recorded.

01:40:11.000 Yeah.

01:40:11.000 And you don't...

01:40:12.000 But she's recording them.

01:40:13.000 I don't know if it's dozens and dozens, whatever it was.

01:40:15.000 Whatever it was that they kept introducing to the trauma.

01:40:19.000 That was her recording things, right?

01:40:21.000 Wasn't it like surreptitiously... 1.00

01:40:25.000 Either way, that's a crazy bitch. 1.00

01:40:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:30.000 The thing that got me is all the people watching the case.

01:40:35.000 Yeah.

01:40:36.000 I was like, I want to know their story.

01:40:39.000 The people that traveled from around the world to go sit in the courtroom.

01:40:42.000 Where is it happening?

01:40:44.000 It's in Virginia or something, right?

01:40:45.000 I wonder why they did it in Virginia.

01:40:47.000 I looked that up yesterday.

01:40:47.000 It's because...

01:40:49.000 He's suing her for defamation for an op-ed she posted in the servers for the newspaper that it was hosted in Virginia.

01:40:59.000 So there's some law that allows the trial to happen there.

01:41:02.000 It's very confusing.

01:41:04.000 How strange.

01:41:06.000 So is the jury from Virginia as well?

01:41:08.000 Yeah.

01:41:09.000 Good luck with that jury. 1.00

01:41:11.000 I don't think any jury is going to listen to her and not think she's out of her fucking mind. 1.00

01:41:14.000 You would have to be the most hardcore, man-hating feminist, one of those women that's just been fucked over by man after man after man her whole life to the point where, fuck all men. 1.00

01:41:25.000 You'd have to be that woman to listen to that lady and not think she's out of her fucking mind. 1.00

01:41:31.000 I haven't even followed it enough to know, like... 0.99

01:41:34.000 She hasn't even testified yet.

01:41:36.000 This is all only going by her recordings and his, you know, recounting of the encounter and her terrible lawyer.

01:41:44.000 She has terrible lawyers too, which is fun. 1.00

01:41:46.000 I love a good, bad lawyer.

01:41:48.000 You know, like, one of the lawyers objected to his own question.

01:41:53.000 Really?

01:41:54.000 Yeah, someone responded, you know, to it and he said, objection hearsay.

01:41:58.000 She's like, you can't object to your own question.

01:42:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:03.000 It's just...

01:42:03.000 It's just a mess, man.

01:42:06.000 Because this poor guy has been right...

01:42:07.000 Like, he's definitely a mess.

01:42:09.000 Johnny Depp is a mess.

01:42:10.000 A hot mess. 0.95

01:42:11.000 A hot mess of cocaine and booze and chaos.

01:42:14.000 But, by all accounts, seems like a really nice guy.

01:42:18.000 I talked to him on the phone once.

01:42:19.000 Because he was going through this years ago, by the way.

01:42:22.000 I talked to him on the phone.

01:42:23.000 About the same case.

01:42:24.000 Because I'm friends with Doug Stanhope.

01:42:27.000 And him and Stanhope are hanging out.

01:42:29.000 And he's like, you know, Stanhope is drunk.

01:42:31.000 He's like, hey, Johnny Depp wants to talk to you.

01:42:33.000 And I said, give him my number.

01:42:34.000 Let's talk.

01:42:35.000 So I'm on the beach in Hawaii.

01:42:37.000 And I'm on the phone with Johnny Depp.

01:42:39.000 And Johnny Depp is telling me all the chaos that's going on in his life.

01:42:43.000 Eventually, I'll do your podcast and we'll talk about this.

01:42:46.000 But this is my life.

01:42:48.000 This is what I'm going through. 1.00

01:42:49.000 I'm like, holy fuck, dude. 1.00

01:42:50.000 So he's telling me all this shit. 1.00

01:42:52.000 And she had threatened to sue Stanhope. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Because Stanhope published a letter on what a con artist she is. 0.99

01:42:59.000 He published some sort of a...

01:43:01.000 What did Stanhope do?

01:43:05.000 Stano, he posted something, right?

01:43:08.000 He wrote an article, I think, while it was all going down, and she was accusing him of hitting her and all kinds of crazy stuff about what a con artist she is.

01:43:17.000 And he's like, just understand this. 1.00

01:43:19.000 This woman is a fucking con artist. 1.00

01:43:21.000 And she threatened to sue him, so he took it down. 1.00

01:43:24.000 But he had already gotten it out there, to the point where people had sort of started going...

01:43:29.000 Huh, what's going on here?

01:43:31.000 And then all Johnny Depp's former girlfriends were all like, no, he never even raised his voice.

01:43:36.000 He's a nice guy.

01:43:36.000 Maybe he yelled, but he's not an abuser.

01:43:39.000 This is nonsense. 0.98

01:43:40.000 This is crazy.

01:43:41.000 And she said that she used a specific type of makeup to cover up her bruises, but it turns out that makeup wasn't even invented then.

01:43:49.000 It launched years later. 0.90

01:43:52.000 So she's just a nut. 1.00

01:43:55.000 Those are the people you see crying on in films when they act really good. 0.96

01:43:59.000 That's what he posted.

01:44:00.000 Here it is.

01:44:00.000 Giant Debs being blackmailed by Amber Heard.

01:44:02.000 Here's how I know.

01:44:03.000 Guest column by Doug Stanhope.

01:44:05.000 Oh, so it's still available?

01:44:06.000 Yeah, the website that I'm looking this up still has it.

01:44:10.000 So this is 2016. So this is six fucking years ago. 0.98

01:44:17.000 And this is still going on. 0.99

01:44:20.000 That's what can happen.

01:44:21.000 Update.

01:44:22.000 Amber Heard's attorney says the claim that Heard is blackmailing Johnny Depp is unequivocally false.

01:44:29.000 No.

01:44:29.000 No, it's not.

01:44:31.000 No, it turns out it's not. 1.00

01:44:32.000 No, she's a fucking monster. 1.00

01:44:33.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:44:34.000 Yeah.

01:44:36.000 There you go, bro.

01:44:36.000 You got a good one.

01:44:37.000 That's how you do it.

01:44:38.000 If you want to have a good relationship, rescue them.

01:44:40.000 Right, yeah.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:42.000 Save a woman from dying of dehydration and freezing to death in the Nevada desert, and that's how you get a good one. 1.00

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:49.000 It works for me.

01:44:52.000 So you guys go on a lot of trips together now, but now that you have the baby, how are you going to handle that?

01:44:57.000 We've been bringing the baby on a lot of stuff, too.

01:45:00.000 Wow.

01:45:00.000 Yeah.

01:45:01.000 It's not as easy.

01:45:01.000 Do you have a chest rig?

01:45:03.000 Yeah.

01:45:03.000 Do you have to adjust your anchor?

01:45:04.000 I originally thought I was going to do that.

01:45:06.000 I was like, yeah, I got this thing.

01:45:08.000 And then once I actually figured it out, I was like, that's not going to work at all.

01:45:12.000 At all.

01:45:12.000 No.

01:45:13.000 I got these ideas that would not work.

01:45:16.000 Maybe you can rifle hunt if the kid has earmuffs.

01:45:18.000 Yeah, earmuffs.

01:45:18.000 But even then, you don't want that.

01:45:20.000 The backpack thing would probably work, but I wouldn't do it because if they reached over and touched, it's not worth messing with.

01:45:27.000 Right. 1.00

01:45:27.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Yeah, you'd have to duct tape their hands down. 1.00

01:45:30.000 Yeah.

01:45:32.000 And I think if you did that, that wouldn't be good.

01:45:35.000 They definitely wouldn't be quiet if you're trying to stalk something.

01:45:38.000 Have you thought about introducing your kid to fishing and hunting and stuff like that?

01:45:43.000 I think it's something that we do so much.

01:45:47.000 So it's just part of our life.

01:45:49.000 But I've actually thought about it in the way of I don't know, anything that your parents do, and it's what we do all the time, so I don't know if that would be something that makes her into it, or if it's something that will detract her from it.

01:46:04.000 I'm so careful about that with my kids, because my kids did martial arts when they were young, and I always say, Hey, hey, you guys want to take a class or something like that?

01:46:15.000 If you want, let me know.

01:46:15.000 I'm like, no, I want to do this.

01:46:17.000 And my one daughter is really into gymnastics, so that's her focus. 0.91

01:46:21.000 But my youngest daughter, every now and then, she'll bring it up, because I let her hit me. 0.66

01:46:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:25.000 So she's 11 now, and she's fucking strong. 0.99

01:46:29.000 And she hits me with leg kicks. 1.00

01:46:30.000 She's allowed to leg kick me full blast. 1.00

01:46:34.000 Which you'd be surprised how much it hurts.

01:46:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:37.000 An 11-year-old leg kicks you. 0.72

01:46:39.000 I'm like, this is amazing. 0.97

01:46:40.000 Because, like, if a grown man my size leg kicked me, I'd be a cripple. 0.57

01:46:44.000 Like, I'd fall to the ground crying.

01:46:45.000 Because she leg kicks me, and I'm like, ow! 1.00

01:46:48.000 Like, this is...

01:46:49.000 And she loves it.

01:46:50.000 She loves that she can hurt me.

01:46:51.000 I bet.

01:46:52.000 Then she goes, let me do it again.

01:46:53.000 I go, okay, one more, one more.

01:46:54.000 Whap! 0.99

01:46:55.000 Ow! 1.00

01:46:56.000 I'm like, damn, these are good. 0.97

01:46:57.000 I'm like, these are good, solid shin. 0.99

01:46:59.000 You're getting me, like, right in the meat of the leg.

01:47:01.000 Like...

01:47:02.000 This is good stuff, but I try not to push.

01:47:05.000 My oldest daughter does it with me, but with the 11-year-old, it's just a delicate balance of making it available, but not pushing it.

01:47:17.000 She likes to fish.

01:47:18.000 We fish together.

01:47:19.000 But we're actually going to go alligator hunting together.

01:47:22.000 That's going to be her first hunt.

01:47:24.000 Yeah.

01:47:25.000 That's another thing that's at the very bottom of the list.

01:47:27.000 Exactly! 1.00

01:47:27.000 She fucking hates alligators. 1.00

01:47:29.000 Everybody hates them. 1.00

01:47:29.000 And so we were planning this thing to Florida. 1.00

01:47:33.000 And while we were going down to Florida, you know, my one daughter had plans and she was going to do this.

01:47:37.000 And her and I, my youngest and I, were going to go fishing.

01:47:40.000 And so I was arranging activities for us.

01:47:44.000 I'm like, okay, I got this thing.

01:47:45.000 We're going to set up some fishing on this day.

01:47:47.000 And I go, what do you think about alligator hunting?

01:47:49.000 And her little eyes lit up.

01:47:51.000 And she goes, could I get alligator skin stuff?

01:47:54.000 I go, yeah.

01:47:55.000 I go, we can actually make bar stools.

01:47:57.000 We'll cover the bar stools and alligator skin. 0.97

01:47:59.000 And we'll eat the alligators. 0.75

01:48:01.000 She's like, okay.

01:48:02.000 And I was like, okay, we got something now. 0.99

01:48:04.000 So her first hunt will be a fucking alligator hunt, which is a wild thing for an 11-year-old. 0.99

01:48:11.000 It's going to be interesting. 0.99

01:48:12.000 Alligator is actually pretty good too.

01:48:14.000 I heard it's delicious if you get it fresh.

01:48:16.000 Yeah.

01:48:17.000 I've only had it fried though.

01:48:19.000 Can you really judge it if it's fried?

01:48:22.000 I've never had barbecued alligator tail.

01:48:24.000 Have you had it fresh or have you only had it at a restaurant?

01:48:28.000 I have had it fresh once.

01:48:30.000 Yeah?

01:48:31.000 They say that's a big...

01:48:32.000 Like, I had mahi-mahi once.

01:48:34.000 My wife and I went fishing in Mexico.

01:48:35.000 And we caught mahi-mahi. 0.97

01:48:37.000 And we brought it back to the hotel.

01:48:39.000 And we had it within two hours of us catching it.

01:48:43.000 Like, literally, we caught these fish 20 minutes later after we caught them.

01:48:47.000 We caught two fish.

01:48:48.000 20 minutes later, we were at the dock.

01:48:51.000 An hour later, we were dropping it off at the restaurant.

01:48:54.000 Forty minutes after that, we were eating it.

01:48:56.000 It was amazing.

01:48:58.000 It was fish, out of all the things, there's a big difference between fresh fish and fish that's not fresh.

01:49:07.000 And this was all Mahi Mahi's delicious, but this was particularly tasty.

01:49:12.000 There was something about it, and I realized, wow, there's something really lost when that animal sits around for a while, for sure.

01:49:19.000 And like most of the fish you get in a restaurant, it's been frozen.

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:24.000 And you don't, you really do, it's weird how it tastes different, but it actually tastes less fishy.

01:49:32.000 But it doesn't taste like the textures, it's more like the texture and the feel, it just is way better.

01:49:38.000 It's way better.

01:49:38.000 A lot of people have never experienced fish like that.

01:49:41.000 No, a lot of people never.

01:49:42.000 You catch it and cook it on the shore.

01:49:45.000 Catch a trout and cook it, pan fry it right there on the shore.

01:49:50.000 Oh my god, it's so delicious.

01:49:52.000 But they say that's the same thing with alligator.

01:49:54.000 That was my point.

01:49:54.000 Really?

01:49:55.000 Is that alligator, supposedly, if you get fresh alligator, it's supposed to be fantastic.

01:49:59.000 Yeah, I don't know if I've had it that fresh then.

01:50:00.000 I mean...

01:50:01.000 Yeah, it'd be interesting.

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:03.000 You have to report back.

01:50:04.000 I will definitely report back because I'm going to eat the shit out of that alligator. 1.00

01:50:07.000 I hate those things. 1.00

01:50:08.000 I really do. 0.71

01:50:09.000 I hate them.

01:50:10.000 I lived in Florida when I was a little kid from age 11 to 13. We lived in Gainesville.

01:50:15.000 And that was back when alligators were protected.

01:50:18.000 And one of them snatched up this lady's dog. 0.99

01:50:21.000 And I remember thinking like how gross it is that they let these things just roam around.

01:50:29.000 And they're like, oh, they're protected. 1.00

01:50:31.000 I'm like, fuck them. 1.00

01:50:32.000 I was 11 and I was like, fuck them. 1.00

01:50:34.000 We need to kill those cunts. 1.00

01:50:36.000 Like this giant dinosaurs. 1.00

01:50:38.000 Running around killing people's dogs.

01:50:40.000 And everybody's like, well, we've got to make sure we have a stable population. 1.00

01:50:43.000 Put them in the fucking swamp. 1.00

01:50:44.000 Get them out of here. 1.00

01:50:45.000 Like, if you see them anywhere near where people live, you should fucking shoot them. 1.00

01:50:48.000 They're just walking across golf courses. 1.00

01:50:50.000 Giant ones.

01:50:51.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:50:52.000 Giant ones now.

01:50:53.000 Well, now they're open for hunting.

01:50:55.000 And now they have a lot of them.

01:50:57.000 Yeah.

01:50:58.000 They've definitely been rehabilitated.

01:51:01.000 It's really crazy in some places.

01:51:04.000 I was watching that Swamp People show, and they give commercial tags to these folks to go out and get alligators.

01:51:11.000 And this guy had a tag for 500 alligators.

01:51:15.000 So he had 500 alligator tags.

01:51:17.000 That was his commercial allotment.

01:51:19.000 And those are the ones that they sell like restaurants and products and leathers.

01:51:23.000 Yeah, a lot of products and leathers.

01:51:25.000 Which is hilarious because there's so many of them, but California won't let you sell the skin. 0.56

01:51:30.000 Really? 0.98

01:51:31.000 They're so dopey. 0.96

01:51:32.000 They ban the sale of alligator and exotics and they won't let you sell python. 0.97

01:51:37.000 Meanwhile, Florida is infested with pythons. 0.98

01:51:41.000 There's so many goddamn pythons that they've killed all the mammals in the Everglades. 1.00

01:51:44.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:51:46.000 That's another thing you'd have to eradicate.

01:51:48.000 Oh yeah.

01:51:49.000 You'll never get a stable ecosystem because there's pythons that were never supposed to be there.

01:51:55.000 Never.

01:51:56.000 That have nothing to compete against.

01:51:58.000 Nothing.

01:51:58.000 They just swallow whatever their competition is.

01:52:00.000 They eat alligators.

01:52:00.000 We showed a picture the other day of one that had a 12 foot alligator in stomach.

01:52:04.000 That's crazy.

01:52:06.000 And they're out there, hundreds of thousands of them, filled the swamps with pythons.

01:52:11.000 They did some estimate of the amount of wildlife that has been eradicated because of pythons, and it's bananas.

01:52:20.000 It's like 99% of the mammals in the Everglades are gone.

01:52:24.000 That's nuts.

01:52:25.000 99% of the raccoons, 99% of the deer, like there's almost nothing left.

01:52:31.000 Yeah, that's crazy. 0.95

01:52:32.000 And it's just some dipshit in the 1970s that had pythons for a pet. 0.99

01:52:39.000 And it's like, can't feed you anymore, little bro. 0.99

01:52:41.000 Running out of money.

01:52:42.000 You know?

01:52:43.000 Chuck them in the swamp.

01:52:44.000 Yeah, they just chucked them in the swamp.

01:52:45.000 Think they'd be fine.

01:52:46.000 And here we are.

01:52:47.000 I guess they were fine, yeah.

01:52:49.000 Yeah, for a little while.

01:52:50.000 But here we are, 50 years later.

01:52:52.000 Now it's a giant problem.

01:52:53.000 There's a half a million of them, they think.

01:52:55.000 Wow.

01:52:56.000 Yeah, you'll never get that under control.

01:52:58.000 You'd have to literally drain the swamp.

01:53:00.000 You know the old drain the swamp thing?

01:53:02.000 Yeah, actually drain the swamp.

01:53:03.000 But you can't drain the swamp.

01:53:04.000 No. 1.00

01:53:04.000 So shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:53:05.000 You've got a problem forever. 1.00

01:53:07.000 And what are you going to do?

01:53:08.000 Put something in there that eats pythons?

01:53:09.000 Well, that thing doesn't exist.

01:53:11.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 So you're going to genetically engineer a crocodile that only eats pythons?

01:53:15.000 Like, what are you going to do?

01:53:16.000 You're not going to do anything.

01:53:17.000 Yeah.

01:53:18.000 Yeah, that's a great situation.

01:53:18.000 How does that play out?

01:53:21.000 That doesn't play out well.

01:53:22.000 No.

01:53:23.000 Yeah, unless there's like...

01:53:25.000 That's the thing.

01:53:26.000 If you opened up some kind of market for it, made it valuable for people to go get them, but then you run into that problem.

01:53:32.000 When there's a lot of them, it's good and it's worth the money.

01:53:34.000 Yeah.

01:53:34.000 But when it's not worth the money and the time, then...

01:53:37.000 So the entire goal is...

01:53:38.000 I don't know how to manage that.

01:53:39.000 I think it would be worth the money.

01:53:41.000 I think if they...

01:53:42.000 I know they have... 0.93

01:53:44.000 Come up with rewards for people to kill pythons. 1.00

01:53:48.000 But the fact that Florida, or excuse me, California won't let you even sell python skin is so stupid. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Because it's not based on any logic. 0.99

01:53:56.000 There's not a shortage of pythons. 1.00

01:53:58.000 They're just fucking idiots. 1.00

01:54:00.000 They're just idiots that interfere with people's lives and these weird moral high ground decisions that they make. 1.00

01:54:06.000 Like, fuck you. 1.00

01:54:07.000 You can't have alligator things? 1.00

01:54:09.000 Why?

01:54:09.000 How come you can kill alligators?

01:54:11.000 How come they think you have to?

01:54:13.000 How come wildlife biologists suggest that a certain number of them need to be removed from the population but you can't sell alligator skin goods?

01:54:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:54:22.000 Because you guys are fucking idiots. 1.00

01:54:24.000 Yeah, it makes no sense. 1.00

01:54:25.000 It doesn't have to make sense.

01:54:27.000 It's all about optics to them.

01:54:28.000 It's like, we're going to ban the use of exotics because you think it's just cruel.

01:54:32.000 Why is that more cruel than cow leather?

01:54:35.000 Explain.

01:54:35.000 Why is it more cruel than your Uggs that you wear or your sheepskin?

01:54:39.000 Explain.

01:54:40.000 There's no explanation. 0.97

01:54:42.000 But the fact that that exists at a policy level, that exists like the state laws, it's fucking crazy. 0.70

01:54:52.000 I want to make sure that's true. 0.91

01:54:53.000 Make sure that alligator is banned in California.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, I'm looking at it as of 2020. Yeah.

01:54:58.000 January 1st.

01:55:00.000 This doesn't have a reason why.

01:55:01.000 There's no reason why.

01:55:03.000 That's what's crazy.

01:55:03.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:55:05.000 They added fur, too.

01:55:06.000 Or if it's coming for all fur.

01:55:08.000 Yeah.

01:55:09.000 Various lizards.

01:55:10.000 2023. Yeah.

01:55:12.000 Like, again, lizards.

01:55:13.000 We were talking about iguanas in Florida.

01:55:15.000 How many people hunt iguanas now?

01:55:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:55:17.000 Because iguanas are...

01:55:19.000 They apparently freeze to death and then thaw and come back to life.

01:55:24.000 Yeah, they just get so cold that they shut down and fall out of trees or something.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:28.000 And then it warms up and they come back to life.

01:55:30.000 Yeah, it's like a miniature hibernation of some sort.

01:55:33.000 It's so weird, man.

01:55:34.000 It is.

01:55:36.000 There's some animals that can actually freeze solid, and then when they thaw out, they're alive again.

01:55:43.000 I had, like, this crawdad trap in a lake, and I forgot about it. 0.97

01:55:49.000 I thought, oh, shit, I forgot about that trap in his wintertime. 0.97

01:55:52.000 So it had been frozen for a month, maybe. 0.99

01:55:56.000 And I chipped, like, the ice open to pull the trap out, and there was, like, a bullfrog in it.

01:56:04.000 I was, like, thinking, oh, well, he's clearly dead because he probably would have got in there before it froze.

01:56:09.000 Who knows how long it had been in there.

01:56:12.000 It was one of those warm days and it was alive still.

01:56:17.000 The thing came back to life.

01:56:18.000 I think that's the animal I'm thinking of.

01:56:20.000 I think it's frogs.

01:56:22.000 I think frogs can freeze solid and then come back to life.

01:56:26.000 Yeah, it made no sense.

01:56:27.000 I've got six animals that can do it.

01:56:29.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:56:30.000 Including an alligator.

01:56:31.000 Of course an alligator can. 0.74

01:56:33.000 Alligators don't have to eat for a year. 1.00

01:56:35.000 Kill them. 1.00

01:56:36.000 Kill that thing. 1.00

01:56:37.000 It doesn't have to eat for a year. 1.00

01:56:38.000 You can just sit there and wait.

01:56:40.000 A year!

01:56:41.000 That's nuts.

01:56:43.000 And then they can freeze?

01:56:44.000 Yeah.

01:56:45.000 They freeze solid too?

01:56:47.000 And come back to life?

01:56:49.000 What are the other ones?

01:56:50.000 One's a caterpillar, so it's not technically an animal.

01:56:54.000 Wood frog, caterpillar, alligator, painted turtle hatchling, iguana, and a darkling beetle, which is also not an animal.

01:57:02.000 So iguanas actually can freeze solid and come back to life.

01:57:05.000 Wow.

01:57:06.000 They're big, too.

01:57:07.000 That's what's really wild.

01:57:08.000 We played a video once of these guys hunting them, and one guy shot a five-foot-long one. 0.94

01:57:13.000 It was this giant-ass lizard.

01:57:15.000 And they chopped it up and made like a teriyaki sauce and made like wings. 0.76

01:57:20.000 Yeah, like chicken.

01:57:21.000 Yeah, that's one of the things, I guess, if you want people to eat it, you got to change the name of what you're eating.

01:57:26.000 They call it like...

01:57:27.000 Venison, right?

01:57:29.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 Venison is over deer, right?

01:57:30.000 Maybe it's something.

01:57:31.000 Chilean sea bass, like some dog-toothed fish or something.

01:57:35.000 Yeah, what do you think we could call it?

01:57:36.000 What do you think you could call iguana?

01:57:38.000 Palm chicken maybe?

01:57:41.000 Have you ever had iguana?

01:57:43.000 I haven't, no.

01:57:44.000 It's a weird way to hunt because they hunt them in like canals in people's backyards, so it's very urban.

01:57:51.000 Like there's tons of video.

01:57:52.000 So they use bow fishing equipment and they just- Air rifles or something too?

01:57:57.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of bow fishing equipment because you hit them and they don't always go down.

01:58:02.000 Oh, gotcha.

01:58:02.000 They jump in the water and then you got to pull them out.

01:58:05.000 But they're fucking big, man. 0.99

01:58:07.000 These are big creatures. 0.99

01:58:09.000 And with all the food that's available in Florida, they have just constant food.

01:58:16.000 Taking over.

01:58:17.000 Yeah, they're big.

01:58:19.000 Something to feed the snakes, I suppose.

01:58:21.000 Maybe.

01:58:21.000 I don't think they live in the same spot, unfortunately.

01:58:24.000 The snakes stick to the swamp and the iguanas stick to your yard.

01:58:29.000 And they're aggressive.

01:58:30.000 They'll run after you, too.

01:58:32.000 Which is not fun.

01:58:33.000 No.

01:58:34.000 Being chased by giant lizards.

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:37.000 There's got to be somebody that can market that, like make dino nuggets out of them or something.

01:58:42.000 What is that?

01:58:43.000 What do you think?

01:58:44.000 Iguana entree prepared on the grill is plated and ready to be served.

01:58:49.000 What is this?

01:58:51.000 This article from USA Today about iguanas falling, but people eating them in Latin America and Trinidad.

01:59:00.000 There's tons of video on YouTube of hunters and fishermen that are killing and eating iguanas.

01:59:06.000 And they say it's good.

01:59:08.000 I guess it's probably one of those things you just figured out how to cook it correctly.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, it looks like white meat too.

01:59:15.000 Yeah.

01:59:16.000 Probably like anything fish or chicken.

01:59:18.000 In Puerto Rico, there's more iguanas than people.

01:59:21.000 The government launched a program in 2012 to kill and export as many of the lizards as possible.

01:59:27.000 Many on the island have also tried to popularize iguana consumption, but residents haven't warmed to the idea.

01:59:35.000 Yeah, you gotta do a PR thing.

01:59:38.000 You've gotta change the name and people have to kind of lose the thought of an iguana because there's certain things people don't want to eat.

01:59:45.000 They just gotta get hungry.

01:59:45.000 Or get hungry.

01:59:46.000 Yeah.

01:59:47.000 Yeah, with a food shortage, I mean, iguana eating might just spike.

01:59:52.000 I don't know.

01:59:52.000 I mean, is there enough to sustain people?

01:59:54.000 Maybe there is in Puerto Rico, but that's about it.

01:59:56.000 Puerto Rico and Florida.

01:59:57.000 That's the thing.

01:59:58.000 Those things, they need a really...

01:59:59.000 Even in Florida, sometimes it gets too cold and they fall out of trees.

02:00:03.000 People have died because they fell and hit them in the head.

02:00:07.000 Really?

02:00:08.000 That's bad luck.

02:00:10.000 That's not good.

02:00:11.000 Yeah, forget about lightning.

02:00:12.000 How many people die from iguanas falling off?

02:00:14.000 You're watching the trees for frozen iguanas.

02:00:16.000 That might not be true, though.

02:00:16.000 That might be a rumor.

02:00:17.000 Find out if people actually have died from...

02:00:19.000 I would imagine some cars have had damage.

02:00:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:22.000 Imagine cars.

02:00:23.000 I guarantee you a few people have been clipped.

02:00:26.000 Have to.

02:00:26.000 Yeah.

02:00:27.000 But how much does an iguana weigh?

02:00:28.000 Actually, one of the big ones. 0.98

02:00:30.000 Probably pretty fucking hefty. 0.99

02:00:32.000 This one lady who shot one, she was holding it. 1.00

02:00:35.000 I don't know how big she was. 0.89

02:00:36.000 But she had her arms outstretched like she's holding up a marlin. 0.99

02:00:40.000 And this goddamn giant dead lizard is in her arms. 0.99

02:00:44.000 And I was like, I had no idea they were that big. 1.00

02:00:46.000 Maybe she's a tiny lady. 1.00

02:00:48.000 Or holding it out like a fish picture.

02:00:49.000 Yeah, right.

02:00:50.000 That's a tricky thing.

02:00:52.000 It's hard to tell.

02:00:53.000 The perspective shots.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, that's a big thing with people with animals like hiding behind it when they take a grip and grin.

02:00:59.000 Yeah.

02:01:00.000 That's something that, I think they changed that, but YouTube for a while was going to, they were going to stop people from showing animals being butchered, and they were going to stop kill shots.

02:01:16.000 I don't know if they did it, but I remember it was a big conversation, and a lot of people that have hunting programs, and I know you do Solo Hunter, and you release those.

02:01:25.000 Those are on YouTube, right?

02:01:26.000 Yeah.

02:01:26.000 Yeah, and I've got my own YouTube channel as well.

02:01:29.000 Did they wind up implementing that?

02:01:32.000 Not that I know of.

02:01:33.000 I haven't seen anything.

02:01:34.000 So you didn't even pay attention to it?

02:01:35.000 No.

02:01:35.000 You know what it might have been?

02:01:38.000 For people that monetize stuff, there's different rules as well, which I understand you're getting random advertisers on there and they might not write certain things.

02:01:48.000 So some people might have had problems like, oh, they're blocking this from whatever.

02:01:52.000 Well, it's more based on the monetization thing because you sign up for different rules when you do that.

02:01:58.000 Yeah, that's an issue that happened during the pandemic, where they really ramped up on the amount of episodes of things that got demonetized.

02:02:09.000 And a lot of people thought, oh, this is some sort of a plot to censor people.

02:02:16.000 It's more a plot to make money.

02:02:18.000 They just want to make sure they maximize the advertiser money, and the advertisers essentially are the ones that dictate what kind of program is allowed on the network.

02:02:27.000 One of the things that we found out during the pandemic was that pharmaceutical advertisers are 75% of all the ads on television.

02:02:36.000 I believe that.

02:02:37.000 Isn't that wild?

02:02:38.000 Yeah.

02:02:40.000 I can't find anybody dying from...

02:02:42.000 I can't even find anybody getting injured from it.

02:02:44.000 Near-freezing temperatures have led to many falling right out of the trees they call home this morning.

02:02:50.000 While unusual, it's not the first time iguanas have plummeted to the ground from trees due to a sharp fall in temperature.

02:02:56.000 Okay, so it just says they're falling.

02:02:57.000 Yeah, it can be dangerous if they land.

02:03:00.000 A male might weigh up to 20 pounds or something like that.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, somebody told it to me and I was like, hmm, I'm just going to start saying this.

02:03:06.000 Some people have died.

02:03:08.000 Not unrelated to right now, when we were talking about the cloned tiger meat the other day, I was trying to look up hard where do people even need to eat that?

02:03:19.000 Where are they eating tiger steaks?

02:03:20.000 Right.

02:03:21.000 Couldn't find it.

02:03:22.000 Well, it's not available yet.

02:03:23.000 The company, the startup is about...

02:03:25.000 To even desire that.

02:03:26.000 Why would someone want to have tiger meat?

02:03:28.000 No, there's no commercial.

02:03:30.000 Yeah, no, nobody eats it.

02:03:32.000 I'm sure people have eaten it in the past, but there was this one article that I read.

02:03:39.000 I want to say it was in Vanity Fair or Esquire or something like that, but it was essentially this guy had infiltrated some...

02:03:51.000 There was like a club and they would meet like once a year, I think it was in China, and they would eat endangered species.

02:04:01.000 And they would serve you like lion and they would serve tiger and they would serve... 1.00

02:04:09.000 Shit that you're absolutely not supposed to eat. 1.00

02:04:12.000 And then there was, like, this secret club of people that would get together and eat, like, a gourmet meal of endangered species. 1.00

02:04:22.000 I'm all for, like, eating wild meat, but sustainable wild meat.

02:04:25.000 That's what it's, like, really weird.

02:04:27.000 I wouldn't go out of my way for something like that, obviously.

02:04:30.000 Obviously.

02:04:31.000 You see some stuff, too.

02:04:32.000 I guess I saw an article...

02:04:35.000 They seized this dude that had, in Spain, some private museum of all...

02:04:39.000 Have you seen that?

02:04:40.000 No.

02:04:40.000 It's like this...

02:04:41.000 They uncovered this museum.

02:04:43.000 He had a full-on natural history museum in a warehouse of very rare, some, like, extinct-in-the-wild animals.

02:04:51.000 But you...

02:04:52.000 Also, you don't know where some of the stuff came from, either.

02:04:54.000 But it was like this...

02:04:55.000 Were they dead or alive?

02:04:56.000 Yeah, dead.

02:04:56.000 Like, taxidermy, whatever.

02:04:58.000 But pretty much everything.

02:05:00.000 And not knowing where he got them or how he got them, I guess.

02:05:03.000 Did he spill the beans?

02:05:04.000 I don't know.

02:05:05.000 All I saw was they had pictures of it, and it looked like a pretty legit museum in a warehouse.

02:05:10.000 Is this recent?

02:05:11.000 Yeah, it was maybe four days ago.

02:05:13.000 Oh, wow.

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 Some people, I mean, you don't have a trophy room in your house, do you?

02:05:20.000 No.

02:05:21.000 What do you do with all...

02:05:22.000 Do you mostly Euro-mount your stuff?

02:05:24.000 Yeah, I've got some stuff around the house, but I don't have...

02:05:27.000 We don't have a lot of space, so...

02:05:29.000 There's a guy that I know that has a lot of dough.

02:05:33.000 He's got a lot of cash, and he's got a room in his house that's...

02:05:37.000 I want to say it's as big as...

02:05:43.000 Like, what's a good...

02:05:44.000 It's as big as a small restaurant.

02:05:48.000 Yeah.

02:05:49.000 And it's filled, just filled with taxidermy.

02:05:54.000 Like, it's like you go in this room and it's like, oh my god.

02:05:58.000 Like, everywhere you look, it's like sheeps and deer and it's just...

02:06:03.000 All kinds of stuff.

02:06:05.000 The trophy room is a weird thing.

02:06:08.000 That's a weird one.

02:06:10.000 There's certain parts of hunting where people that don't do it don't understand.

02:06:16.000 It's like, okay, you've got this deer here, right?

02:06:19.000 I look at it, and it's just a deer, but you look at it.

02:06:21.000 The meat from that deer, I don't know if you shot that, but if you did, it's like the meat is long gone.

02:06:27.000 Everything is gone, but when you look at that, that animal lives on in your memory way longer than Anything else that you would ever get at the store or anything like that, you have a personal connection with that.

02:06:39.000 When you look at it, it's a weird thing to explain to somebody that doesn't hunt, but in a way, it's like I love animals so much, and maybe in some ways, that's almost honoring the memory of that animal to you.

02:06:52.000 It certainly is, and in many ways, it's nature's art.

02:06:56.000 I look at a skull, and I only have European mounts, for people that don't know what that means.

02:07:02.000 A European mount is just the skull and the antlers together.

02:07:06.000 When you see a stuffed mount, like of a deer head on a wall, you're looking at a doll.

02:07:13.000 It's like fake eyeballs, and underneath it is like a foam sort of...

02:07:19.000 Yeah, it's a sculpture.

02:07:20.000 And oftentimes it's not even the actual hide of the animal that you shot. 0.98

02:07:25.000 Like if the animal you shot is a fucked up hide, they'll give you a cape that you can put over, or you could buy one, that you could put over your mouth. 0.95

02:07:35.000 So the only thing that's really from your animal is the antlers. 1.00

02:07:38.000 Everything else is just bullshit. 0.98

02:07:40.000 Yeah, but in some ways, you know, you're like, okay, you look at it as a hunter, and you're like, okay, it's like... 0.98

02:07:46.000 It looks like the thing.

02:07:47.000 Yeah, you're like, that's great.

02:07:48.000 A lot of the, like, I've got a friend that's an incredible taxidermist, and the stuff that he does is, it looks like art.

02:07:54.000 Yeah.

02:07:54.000 I mean, it's really good.

02:07:57.000 Listen, it is art.

02:07:58.000 I mean, when you mount a mountain lion, it's like this.

02:08:03.000 And you remember that you actually shot that mountain lion, and it's in your house now.

02:08:08.000 You can look.

02:08:08.000 It's a great visual representative.

02:08:10.000 But my mind won't let me do that.

02:08:13.000 My mind goes, that's foam.

02:08:15.000 That's rubber.

02:08:16.000 This is fake.

02:08:16.000 That's a fake nose.

02:08:17.000 It's fake our eyes.

02:08:18.000 This is fake.

02:08:19.000 I hate fakes.

02:08:20.000 I don't like this.

02:08:21.000 Get it out of there.

02:08:22.000 I've never wanted to have a shoulder mount.

02:08:25.000 I look at them and I'm like, ugh, that's a doll.

02:08:30.000 This is, to me, nature's art.

02:08:32.000 To see a skull with antlers, even if I had just found that in the forest, like a deadhead of an animal that had been killed by a mountain lion or something, when I look at that, it's art to me.

02:08:43.000 I'm fascinated by just...

02:08:46.000 There's so much beauty to this.

02:08:48.000 I mean, just looking in the nasal cavity, you see how complicated it is, and you realize this is an animal that has to survive on its nose, how important its nose is.

02:09:01.000 And you look at that enormous opening that it has for taking in scents.

02:09:06.000 Yeah.

02:09:06.000 And then you see the eyeballs and how they rotate on the side of the heads and they're like way off to the side so they can see things from both sides and behind them almost and in front of them.

02:09:18.000 I'm amazed. 0.92

02:09:19.000 I just think they're fucking gorgeous. 0.96

02:09:21.000 Yeah, it is cool. 0.98

02:09:23.000 Yeah, that to me is way cooler than covering it up with the doll eyes.

02:09:28.000 It's also crazy that they just, no matter what it is, anything with antlers, grow back every year.

02:09:33.000 I know, it's nuts.

02:09:34.000 Well, the elk is the most nuts.

02:09:36.000 Yeah.

02:09:36.000 Because it's so much.

02:09:37.000 So much.

02:09:38.000 Was it like five inches?

02:09:40.000 Not necessarily length inches, but in size-wise, five to ten per day.

02:09:46.000 Really?

02:09:46.000 Of growth, yeah.

02:09:47.000 Essentially bone.

02:09:49.000 It's that quick?

02:09:50.000 Yeah.

02:09:51.000 I mean, not like it could be you're taking measurements around the circumference of the entire thing.

02:09:58.000 Yeah, I think I read that it's the fastest growing bone in all of nature.

02:10:03.000 It is, yeah.

02:10:03.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

02:10:05.000 And you shot a giant one last year, right?

02:10:08.000 Yeah.

02:10:10.000 Was that New Mexico, the one you're talking about?

02:10:12.000 Was your hand broken back then?

02:10:14.000 Yeah, it was.

02:10:15.000 Yeah, I was like, I had to get through the whole season without...

02:10:21.000 But you use a wrist strap anyway, right?

02:10:23.000 Which is probably good for that.

02:10:25.000 Yeah, I would think so.

02:10:25.000 Because you pull back, you're not grabbing something with your hand to pull it back.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, I wasn't doing lots of reps pulling it back because you did feel it.

02:10:33.000 Like there's a few times you pop or do something weird.

02:10:35.000 But yeah, I was still able to do it and just got through it.

02:10:39.000 Have you ever thought about revising, reviving that show Apex Predator?

02:10:45.000 You know, I have.

02:10:46.000 I was like, that was one thing.

02:10:48.000 I really enjoyed that show.

02:10:49.000 It's a great show.

02:10:50.000 I thought it was super cool.

02:10:51.000 And I feel like it might have even been a little before its time in some ways and just didn't have the right support.

02:10:58.000 It was like TV was fairly expensive to make and then it was on a network that didn't want to spend a lot of money and then that network was like...

02:11:06.000 The network kind of peaked and started falling.

02:11:08.000 You know, it's like TV viewership went down and everything like that.

02:11:11.000 So now everything's digital or on streaming services or something like that.

02:11:16.000 But I would definitely love to do it again.

02:11:18.000 The right, you know, I don't know.

02:11:20.000 There was a lot of interesting things that we learned doing it.

02:11:23.000 Yeah, a lot of interesting things I learned.

02:11:25.000 Yeah, it was one of the things like you do this, the hunting thing your entire life.

02:11:28.000 And then I've just always been fascinated by nature and what nature teaches us, what it learns. 0.99

02:11:33.000 There's so much crazy shit out there. 0.99

02:11:36.000 I think, you know, you like think about aliens. 1.00

02:11:39.000 I'm like, there's way weirder stuff here.

02:11:40.000 We just are used to it.

02:11:41.000 Well, you told me about octopus.

02:11:44.000 Yeah.

02:11:44.000 I had no idea how bizarre they were.

02:11:48.000 I like, that became the, you were the source, absolutely, of my fascination with octopus.

02:11:54.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 Octopi?

02:11:55.000 I guess you'd say octopi.

02:11:56.000 Either one.

02:11:57.000 Octopuses?

02:11:58.000 Octopus, octopi.

02:11:59.000 But when I watched your show, first of all, you came on the show and you explained it to me.

02:12:03.000 You're like, dude, there are aliens.

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:05.000 Absolutely.

02:12:06.000 And there's, I mean, there's things, even I feel like I know a lot about animals, or a lot of different animals, and then one day I'll be like looking at something, there's an animal called the slow loris, I guess it's a venomous mammal.

02:12:20.000 What?

02:12:20.000 Didn't even know that existed.

02:12:21.000 I hope that that's right, because I just read that, I was like, how did I not know that, unless it's some, unless I was reading some, you can't trust anything anymore, that's the part that sucks.

02:12:31.000 A slow loris.

02:12:32.000 Look at this thing.

02:12:33.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

02:12:34.000 Yeah, it can secrete venom.

02:12:37.000 Wow.

02:12:38.000 But the venom is not toxic in all species.

02:12:41.000 Interesting.

02:12:41.000 There have been reports of people getting bit, but they are typically safe as pets.

02:12:45.000 What?

02:12:46.000 As pets?

02:12:47.000 Bites from a slow...

02:12:49.000 So it's kind of like almost like a sloth.

02:12:51.000 Yeah.

02:12:51.000 I don't know how slow they are, though.

02:12:55.000 Bites from a slow loris can be extremely painful and have been known to cause illness and even death in humans in some circumstances.

02:13:02.000 And they have pygmy slow lorises, too.

02:13:05.000 Wow, what a cutie!

02:13:07.000 Yeah.

02:13:07.000 Aww!

02:13:09.000 It's like a rattlesnake chinchilla cross.

02:13:12.000 Look how adorable! 0.96

02:13:14.000 Oh my god, that's the most adorable creature I've ever seen.

02:13:17.000 He's holding a little piece of fruit going, please leave me alone.

02:13:20.000 I don't want to have to use my venom on you.

02:13:23.000 Aww, that might be the cutest little thing I've ever seen in the forest.

02:13:27.000 Aww! 1.00

02:13:28.000 I like the description, cute but deadly.

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 Look at the baby one.

02:13:33.000 Oh my goodness.

02:13:35.000 Yeah, they look fake.

02:13:36.000 The eyes look almost fake.

02:13:39.000 Adorable.

02:13:41.000 Yeah, there's just some weird stuff out there.

02:13:43.000 Every day I'm learning something to do.

02:13:45.000 Some crazy things.

02:13:47.000 And animals that specialize in something that you think, man, there's technology that we don't even have yet that animals are just doing.

02:13:55.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 You look at nature and a lot of the things that we aspire to make animals can just do.

02:14:01.000 Well, one of the things that I really loved about when you do the solo hunts and solo hunters, when you went to Africa and slept outside and hunted solo with cameras, and I was like, that's a ballsy move. 0.98

02:14:16.000 That's like some Survivorman type shit.

02:14:18.000 Yeah, I mean, I love that aspect of hunting and survival and just kind of going out and... 0.99

02:14:24.000 Living off the land in many ways.

02:14:26.000 I don't know.

02:14:27.000 I enjoy that experience of it.

02:14:29.000 It's how I connect with nature.

02:14:31.000 Well, you also, when you do it, you take living off the land fairly seriously.

02:14:35.000 I remember the one hunt that you had in Nevada where you were essentially out of food and you were starving.

02:14:40.000 And you kind of purposely did it that way.

02:14:45.000 Yeah, I think, well, I ended up going out and then ending, like, the hunt wasn't going real well, so I had to stay longer.

02:14:53.000 But instead of hiking out and then spending all that time, I just used what time I had and just didn't have any more food.

02:14:58.000 So I just continued to hunt, in which case my body was really just eating itself.

02:15:03.000 How many days did you do that for?

02:15:05.000 It wasn't...

02:15:07.000 It was probably like a week worth of time.

02:15:10.000 And the time that I ran out of food wasn't super long.

02:15:12.000 But also, you're burning a lot more calories.

02:15:16.000 You're hiking hard in high elevation.

02:15:18.000 So my body is probably burning 5,000 calories a day in those kind of conditions.

02:15:24.000 And then you just don't have those calories.

02:15:26.000 And then I ended up shooting a deer.

02:15:27.000 And then having to pack it out, I actually ate the heart just raw there to get enough energy to get out.

02:15:33.000 You ate it raw?

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:34.000 Was it the first time you ever did that?

02:15:36.000 No.

02:15:36.000 Yeah?

02:15:38.000 I've done it multiple times, many times actually.

02:15:40.000 But there used to be this thing kind of like when you shoot your first animal, you take a bite of the heart.

02:15:46.000 It was like a traditional thing that people would do.

02:15:49.000 And when I was guiding, people that were new, I'd be like, okay, here, do this.

02:15:54.000 And people would always be like, ah, no, that's weird.

02:15:56.000 And so I would do it.

02:15:58.000 I was like, nothing's going to happen.

02:16:00.000 And then I had some guy, I told him about it, and he's like, cool.

02:16:03.000 And he's like super, and he just bites the heart and takes a piece of it, and he hands it to me.

02:16:07.000 And I look at it, and there's parasites in it.

02:16:09.000 And that was the last time I did it.

02:16:10.000 So I didn't tell him.

02:16:12.000 You didn't tell him that there's parasites in the heart that he ate?

02:16:15.000 Oh no!

02:16:17.000 He'll be fine.

02:16:17.000 Was he okay?

02:16:18.000 Yeah, as far as I know.

02:16:19.000 I mean, maybe he has heartworms now, but I don't really know.

02:16:22.000 Was I listening to Ranella's show?

02:16:26.000 Someone caught trichinosis.

02:16:30.000 No, no.

02:16:33.000 What was it?

02:16:35.000 Oh, toxoplasmosis.

02:16:37.000 That's what it was.

02:16:37.000 They caught toxo from eating deer meat.

02:16:40.000 And I was like, that's crazy.

02:16:42.000 Like toxoplasmosis is, I think it's called toxoplasmosis gondii.

02:16:46.000 It's a parasite that you get from, a lot of people get it from cats.

02:16:51.000 And it's a very strange parasite because it rewires.

02:16:57.000 It's one of the most bizarre parasites because it rewires the sexual reward system of rats and it makes rats attracted to cat urine and it makes them fearless.

02:17:09.000 So the way this parasite grows and spreads is inside a cat's gut.

02:17:18.000 And the way it gets inside a cat's gut is to get into a rat first.

02:17:23.000 So it gets into the rat first and tricks the rat into being horny for cat piss.

02:17:28.000 So it goes where the cats are.

02:17:30.000 And you see them literally chasing cats. 0.99

02:17:33.000 And cats are like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:17:35.000 And these are rats with toxo. 1.00

02:17:37.000 And then the cat will kill the rat and then the cat will get it into humans.

02:17:42.000 It's either from... 0.99

02:17:43.000 That's one of the reasons why they tell women when they're pregnant to never handle cat shit. 1.00

02:17:49.000 Never deal with cat poo. 0.99

02:17:51.000 Because cat feces can contain toxoplasmosis and they can get into your system.

02:17:56.000 It also affects people in a way that makes them more risk-taking.

02:18:02.000 And there's a guy named Robert Sapolsky.

02:18:05.000 He's...

02:18:07.000 I believe, is he an anthropologist?

02:18:10.000 I think a psychologist and maybe an anthropologist.

02:18:13.000 He does a lot of primate research.

02:18:15.000 Sapolsky's been on our show before, but one of the things that he did was when he was a resident, one of the doctors that he worked with in the ER, whenever they get motorcycle victims, he would say, check them for toxo.

02:18:27.000 And there's a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims that test positive for toxoplasmosis because they think it makes them take more risks.

02:18:37.000 That's great.

02:18:37.000 I never heard about that.

02:18:39.000 That's nuts.

02:18:40.000 That's another weird thing in nature.

02:18:42.000 It's not just weird.

02:18:43.000 It's so prevalent.

02:18:45.000 In areas that are like tropical climates and areas that have a lot of cats, they have a huge population of the people might test positive for toxo.

02:18:56.000 Like in France at one point in time, more than 50% of the population was positive for toxo.

02:19:02.000 Really?

02:19:03.000 That's crazy. 0.95

02:19:04.000 And it's a parasite that affects the way you think. 0.90

02:19:08.000 It affects the way you behave. 0.59

02:19:10.000 The fact that it sends the rats to the cats, I mean, it's in some way, it's like it grows in the rat, and then it's like, okay, now a cat needs to kill you so I can live.

02:19:18.000 I think it needs to reproduce any cat gut. 0.94

02:19:20.000 Is that what it is?

02:19:22.000 I think that's what it is.

02:19:23.000 What does Sapolsky do?

02:19:24.000 Is he a psychologist or an anthropologist?

02:19:28.000 Neuroendocrinology researcher and author, current professor of biology and neurology and neurological sciences at Stanford.

02:19:34.000 And he's done some amazing work with primates too, like amazing work with orangutans and baboons rather, and some different primates and just like studying the way they think and behave.

02:19:48.000 But his work on toxoplasmosis was what drew me to him because I remember reading about that.

02:19:53.000 I'm like, well, because I've had a lot of cats in my childhood and I'm scared to test to see if I have it.

02:19:58.000 And once you have it, you have it forever?

02:20:00.000 I believe so.

02:20:01.000 Yeah.

02:20:01.000 I think it makes you a little reckless.

02:20:03.000 But it doesn't live in your brain.

02:20:05.000 Yes.

02:20:05.000 Oh, it does live in your brain.

02:20:07.000 Yeah.

02:20:08.000 It's like a prion of some kind.

02:20:10.000 I think it infects a lot of tissue, but it affects your brain.

02:20:17.000 I'm looking up.

02:20:18.000 I just typed it in with deer, so I'm getting a lot of the deer stuff.

02:20:20.000 But there were reports in Canada, Wisconsin, and then I just scrolled down and saw 200 free-rumming cats and 444 white-tailed deer were tested positive for the parasite.

02:20:31.000 In Ohio, Northeastern Ohio. 0.93

02:20:34.000 So the thing is, feral cats shit all over the place and piss all over the place. 1.00

02:20:38.000 When they shit all over the place, deer can get in contact with their shit and they'll pick up toxo. 1.00

02:20:44.000 Gotcha. 1.00

02:20:44.000 And so then you will shoot a deer and you get toxo from that deer. 1.00

02:20:48.000 That's, yeah.

02:20:49.000 So I wonder if that's like, if it's a deer near like, It's got to be near houses and farms.

02:20:57.000 Yeah, near houses and pets and other things.

02:21:00.000 Yeah, like a lot of the places I hunt, I doubt I would contract that.

02:21:03.000 Right.

02:21:04.000 Just like mountains and the backcountry of the mountains.

02:21:07.000 No.

02:21:08.000 There aren't many feral cats there.

02:21:10.000 Have you ever seen the Australian bow hunting magazines where they show feral cats as trophies?

02:21:14.000 I have, yeah.

02:21:15.000 Bizarre.

02:21:16.000 Yeah.

02:21:16.000 It's weird.

02:21:18.000 Greentree gave me a magazine.

02:21:19.000 He's like, mate, on your flight home, check this out.

02:21:22.000 Check this out.

02:21:22.000 And I'm on a plane reading this magazine.

02:21:26.000 I turn a page and there's a guy holding a cat up with a fucking hole in its chest. 0.99

02:21:29.000 I was like... 0.99

02:21:31.000 Might want to put this magazine away until I get home.

02:21:33.000 Yeah.

02:21:35.000 That's another thing, man.

02:21:36.000 They've got so many unique species and feral cats are just wiping them out.

02:21:39.000 How do you control that in the mountains and just in the wild?

02:21:44.000 Well, in Australia, they have a giant problem with them.

02:21:46.000 They don't know what to do.

02:21:47.000 I mean, they've wiped out ground-nesting birds and so many different species there.

02:21:51.000 They pay people to hunt them.

02:21:53.000 I watched a documentary about this guy who hunts cats, and his whole house is filled with cat fur.

02:21:59.000 He's making cats...

02:22:00.000 Have you seen that guy?

02:22:02.000 Yeah, he seems pretty crazy.

02:22:03.000 Yeah, he's making cat fur covers for his dubai.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, I saw that. 1.00

02:22:09.000 Yeah, it's something fucked. 0.98

02:22:10.000 Yeah, I would think it'd be most efficient to probably trap them in some way, but they're hard to probably get control of the numbers. 0.98

02:22:19.000 Is there any place that you haven't hunted that you have a goal to go to, to experience?

02:22:27.000 I don't know.

02:22:28.000 I mean, I think there's lots of cool places around.

02:22:31.000 I think there's a lot of reasons to hunt different places.

02:22:34.000 For me, I like that adventure of going somewhere new and seeing that culture and connecting with hunters in places.

02:22:42.000 This is where they've been doing it a certain way for a very long time and just kind of learning from those people.

02:22:48.000 There's places in Central Asia that I think would be pretty cool.

02:22:51.000 And places that you don't really go to visit.

02:22:56.000 It's not a prime destination for vacation, right?

02:22:59.000 So it's like how do you even find your way into these places and explore these places and meet these people?

02:23:04.000 And it's through hunting.

02:23:05.000 So there's a few places like that that I think would be cool to go and just kind of experience that with those people.

02:23:13.000 Actually, Mongolia is one of those places.

02:23:15.000 I think they've got a really cool nomadic culture, and hunting's obviously a part of that.

02:23:21.000 They're moving because they're following food sources and don't have...

02:23:25.000 For a very long time, that permanent settlement, so it's like a nomadic culture.

02:23:30.000 I'm very intrigued by that.

02:23:32.000 Well, I mean, that's a giant part of their history.

02:23:35.000 It is.

02:23:35.000 Genghis Khan, one of his whole things was that they didn't respect people that live in homes.

02:23:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:41.000 Because they lived in these felt tents, and people who didn't live in tents were pussies. 1.00

02:23:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:23:47.000 That's how they thought of it.

02:23:49.000 Yeah.

02:23:49.000 It's really kind of wild, that attitude.

02:23:51.000 It is.

02:23:52.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:23:53.000 I feel like it would be a cool thing to experience some of those people.

02:23:57.000 What do they hunt over there?

02:23:59.000 I mean, they've got elk.

02:24:01.000 Do they really have elk in Mongolian?

02:24:03.000 They call them a marl stag, yeah.

02:24:04.000 Oh, wow.

02:24:05.000 They've got species of ibex, goats.

02:24:09.000 They obviously hunt with the eagles a lot. 1.00

02:24:11.000 Look at those fucking sheep. 1.00

02:24:12.000 What kind of sheep is that? 1.00

02:24:14.000 That's probably an Altai Argali, I think.

02:24:17.000 Look at the horns on that thing. 0.73

02:24:19.000 Oh, there it is.

02:24:20.000 Mongolian argalis.

02:24:23.000 Yeah.

02:24:23.000 Look at the horns.

02:24:25.000 Insane.

02:24:26.000 Yeah, those are pretty crazy.

02:24:27.000 Oh my god, it's amazing.

02:24:30.000 That whole world of sheep hunters, that's a whole different world. 0.85

02:24:33.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

02:24:34.000 Yeah, Ibex.

02:24:35.000 God, that's gorgeous.

02:24:37.000 The antlers on that thing are intense.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, that's pretty cool, the hunting with eagles.

02:24:45.000 Yeah, they hunt with eagles.

02:24:46.000 I saw them hunt a wolf with eagles.

02:24:48.000 Yeah, wolves, foxes.

02:24:52.000 That whole sheep hunting thing is a strange subset of hunters because it's a lot of rich people that go on these bizarre, dangerous adventures to hunt sheep.

02:25:08.000 I was like, that's interesting that somehow or another caught on with a lot of these wealthy trophy hunter type guys.

02:25:16.000 Yeah, I think the opportunity, it's an economic thing in a way where there's not a lot of, let's say there's not a lot of tags, right?

02:25:25.000 So the price of that one tag just keeps going up.

02:25:27.000 But the reason that price of that tag needs to be so expensive is that's what's Helping the sheep populations come back. 1.00

02:25:35.000 There's no other management for these very, I would say, a niche species, a species that's living somewhere that needs a lot of resources of things.

02:25:44.000 In the state of Nevada, actually, there's more sheep in the state of Nevada than any other state outside of Alaska, as far as the United States.

02:25:53.000 And it's because of, like, hunter conservation dollars and projects and building, helping, you know, restore habitat with drinkers and water things and all that kind of stuff.

02:26:02.000 And they auction off, they'll, like, auction off in pretty much every western state one sheep tag. 0.95

02:26:07.000 And some, like, the Montana one goes for three hundred and something thousand dollars.

02:26:12.000 I think it was like the Wild Sheep Show this last year.

02:26:15.000 They raised like $10 million I think at their banquets.

02:26:18.000 Wow.

02:26:18.000 For just sheep conservation.

02:26:20.000 It's like who else is putting $10 million to conserve something like that?

02:26:24.000 And that's just one event.

02:26:25.000 I mean there's thousands of those events throughout the country.

02:26:29.000 So it's like there's a ton of money going into the research and the – We're good to go.

02:27:02.000 So those wild sheep populations don't encounter those domesticated sheep and building fences to keep certain domesticated sheep from wild herds.

02:27:11.000 That's big projects right now.

02:27:13.000 And even just studying that disease.

02:27:16.000 It's a weird subset of hunting, though, because it's a difficult hunt.

02:27:21.000 It is, yeah.

02:27:22.000 But it's wealthy people.

02:27:25.000 There's a lot of old rich guys that go on this incredibly dangerous, difficult endurance hunt, for sure.

02:27:33.000 That's weird, right?

02:27:34.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:27:35.000 Yeah, I think they like that just like anything.

02:27:40.000 It's a real adventure in some ways where it's like you're pushing yourself to certain limits and that's the way that they experience it.

02:27:46.000 Yeah, Brendan Burns and Jason Hairston, and they'd gone on one of those trips for Kuyu, and they were talking about what they had went through.

02:27:56.000 And I'm like, you know, Hairston at the time was a millionaire, and he's out there almost dying.

02:28:01.000 Yeah, you punish yourself.

02:28:03.000 Yeah.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:28:04.000 For me, in some ways, I think it's weird, but...

02:28:08.000 Maybe not everybody relates to it like this, but for me, it's like my enjoyment is through the suffering of it.

02:28:13.000 Like, I feel like if I'm going to be out there, then I need to be hurting in some way.

02:28:16.000 It's like this weird masochistic thing of like, if I'm going to kill something...

02:28:20.000 I mean, you could go on a hunt.

02:28:22.000 Like, I could go out here in Texas, right?

02:28:23.000 And I could go...

02:28:24.000 Sit in front of a field.

02:28:25.000 Yeah. 0.86

02:28:25.000 And I could shoot a deer. 0.86

02:28:27.000 And it's like, yeah, okay, well, it's providing the same end game, right?

02:28:31.000 It's providing meat for myself.

02:28:33.000 But it's not like...

02:28:34.000 I don't like...

02:28:35.000 I feel...

02:28:35.000 It's just not for me.

02:28:36.000 It's not the same.

02:28:37.000 It's like I want to kind of hurt in some way.

02:28:39.000 I want to like experience it in some way.

02:28:41.000 And I've...

02:28:41.000 Like personally, if I go on a hunt, like I pick my hunts based on how difficult they are.

02:28:46.000 Because it's like I don't want the gimmies.

02:28:48.000 And there are hunts where you go out and it's like, it was easier than I expected or something.

02:28:53.000 And I just don't...

02:28:53.000 I don't value it as much.

02:28:55.000 So for me personally, it's like, well, I'm going to go do those things that are...

02:28:59.000 It's hard and I got to struggle for it.

02:29:00.000 And that's...

02:29:01.000 It's just that I get that experience and then I also get the same end result, hopefully.

02:29:05.000 I get meat that I get to take home and eat and that's the way that I do it.

02:29:09.000 And it'll be a different experience eating that meat than if you just sat in front of a feeder.

02:29:13.000 For sure.

02:29:14.000 I don't even think of that stuff they do out here as hunting.

02:29:16.000 I think of it as harvesting food.

02:29:18.000 And there's nothing wrong with that.

02:29:20.000 And if you want to eat wild game, that's probably the best way to ensure that you're going to get wild game.

02:29:25.000 Set up in front of a feeder and this is just a way to harvest food.

02:29:29.000 And you're going to get it quick and you don't even have to be in shape.

02:29:32.000 But the difference between that and the experience that I talked to you about, about Montana that turned me into a hunter, That was a difficult, arduous experience.

02:29:41.000 It was days and days and days of hunting and hiking and glassing and freezing your dick off and climbing up to the top of a ridge and not high density of deer and just trying to find them.

02:29:54.000 And then when we did find it, the feeling of success after the difficulty is what makes it all worth it.

02:30:00.000 If it was easy, like we got on a boat, we pulled over to the shore, like, oh, there's one right there.

02:30:05.000 Bang! 1.00

02:30:05.000 Shoot him. 1.00

02:30:06.000 Okay, that's hunting? 1.00

02:30:07.000 Right.

02:30:08.000 It would be too easy.

02:30:09.000 Yeah.

02:30:10.000 You know, like you don't want it to be difficult because you want to suffer.

02:30:18.000 You want it to be difficult because you want the success to be worth it because you suffered.

02:30:23.000 For sure.

02:30:23.000 If that makes sense.

02:30:23.000 It's like a weird reward thing that flips on in your head.

02:30:26.000 Yeah.

02:30:26.000 Because as the hunter, I know that what I... If you cooked an elk steak right now, and I cooked an elk steak, and it's like you cooked an elk steak of an elk you shot, and an elk steak of the elk I shot, The one that you know you took in that entire experience is more rewarding.

02:30:42.000 You're going to choose that elk steak.

02:30:43.000 I mean, I live off wild game meat.

02:30:46.000 But it's not like when I go to a restaurant, I'm not ordering elk because it doesn't taste the same to me.

02:30:54.000 It doesn't taste the same as something that I took or was a part of.

02:30:57.000 There's like even something that maybe...

02:31:00.000 It's like a certain kind of seasoning through sweat in some ways.

02:31:04.000 The harder you work for it, the better it tastes because it's just that reward factor.

02:31:08.000 Well, there's another element that comes into the play.

02:31:12.000 It's like you have memories of the experience.

02:31:14.000 And also when I think of a wild game animal like an elk that's penned up and that they feed and then slaughter and then serve to restaurants...

02:31:22.000 I get bummed out.

02:31:23.000 It doesn't bother me with cows.

02:31:26.000 When a cow goes to slaughter, I'm like, eh, that's what they do.

02:31:30.000 That's what they're for.

02:31:31.000 But if someone's doing that, like domestic deer, I'm like, ugh.

02:31:35.000 It seems horrible.

02:31:36.000 I don't want to support that.

02:31:38.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:31:38.000 It's just, I think for me, it's more just, you know, I like the experience of getting it myself.

02:31:43.000 Are you still filming stuff for Solo Hunter?

02:31:46.000 You still doing that?

02:31:47.000 Is that primarily where you're doing your filming stuff?

02:31:49.000 No, actually I've been doing it more.

02:31:51.000 I've got, I kind of did my, I just started like last year, just doing my own YouTube channel.

02:31:57.000 That way I can do stuff that's not also, that's also not just self-filmed.

02:32:01.000 So I'm still doing some of the solo stuff, but a lot of it goes on my YouTube channel first.

02:32:06.000 Just like a Remy Warren YouTube channel.

02:32:09.000 I was starting to grow that.

02:32:10.000 Gotta be the most difficult way to hunt.

02:32:12.000 I mean, think about like bow and arrow is difficult.

02:32:15.000 Bow and arrow traditional is more difficult.

02:32:18.000 Traditional bow and arrow while you're self-filming, most difficult.

02:32:22.000 I think so.

02:32:22.000 And that's what you do sometimes.

02:32:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:24.000 I love it.

02:32:25.000 In some ways though, I'm so used to self-filming now that it's easier for me to self-film and have somebody with me filming.

02:32:31.000 Because I can control everything.

02:32:33.000 I've done it enough where I feel like I've gotten really good at it.

02:32:36.000 And for me, it's actually easier now to do the self-filming thing than to have somebody there filming with me.

02:32:43.000 Unless it was somebody that had the same hunting skills, which is not really feasible to find somebody that does that and films, or does a good job filming too.

02:32:54.000 For me, it's actually harder to have somebody following me around with a camera than for me to film myself. 0.94

02:33:00.000 Well, when I went hunting with Ronell, the times that I've gone, one of the things that really struck me is what a shit job that is for the camera guys. 0.96

02:33:08.000 Because they're A, not hunting, B, that's just a job, but they're there 24 hours a day. 0.99

02:33:15.000 There's no going home.

02:33:16.000 They've got to do all the things everybody else has to do, but they also have the camera and try to capture something and not mess it up either.

02:33:23.000 And how do you pay them by the hour?

02:33:25.000 Are you counting the hour that they're sleeping on the ground?

02:33:28.000 No, that's all salary. 1.00

02:33:31.000 Fuck! 1.00

02:33:31.000 You get paid per contract on those kind of things. 1.00

02:33:34.000 That sucks. 0.99

02:33:36.000 That's a sucky deal. 1.00

02:33:37.000 Unless you're one of those people that really loves it.

02:33:39.000 Yeah.

02:33:39.000 And really loves...

02:33:40.000 There are guys out there that love struggle.

02:33:43.000 They love difficult things.

02:33:44.000 They love being in difficult terrain and filming them and capturing it.

02:33:48.000 That's a passion of them, to capture...

02:33:52.000 You get the most accurate visual representation of the experience of hunting.

02:34:00.000 Yeah.

02:34:00.000 And of being in the wild.

02:34:01.000 Like, Branlon Shockey's really good at that.

02:34:03.000 Yeah, he's really good at it.

02:34:04.000 He's really good at that.

02:34:06.000 He's an artist in that genre.

02:34:09.000 There's people that just sort of turn on the camera and point it in the right direction, and then there's people who you see them in their work.

02:34:16.000 Yeah.

02:34:18.000 Yeah.

02:34:19.000 And when people are really good at it, I mean, it's just like anything else, man.

02:34:23.000 It's a craft.

02:34:23.000 It is.

02:34:24.000 It's hard to accomplish.

02:34:25.000 Well, that's how I got interested in hunting, is watching, hunting television shows.

02:34:32.000 Like, my wife had endured me watching television shows on hunting for years for everyone hunting. 0.99

02:34:36.000 She's like, why are you watching that?

02:34:40.000 That's actually one of the things.

02:34:41.000 Well, because when you first reached out to me, it was like, hey, I've been watching the Solo Hunter thing.

02:34:45.000 I was like, why are you watching?

02:34:48.000 You're like, man, I learned a lot.

02:34:50.000 That's the one thing I didn't even realize about Solo Hunter is, you know, people, the comment that I give is like, man, I learned so much.

02:34:56.000 I was like, I didn't even know I was teaching you anything.

02:34:57.000 I was just going out there doing my thing.

02:34:59.000 And people, like, really liked that aspect of like, okay, I'm like seeing how you're doing something that maybe I've never seen it done in this way ever before.

02:35:07.000 Yeah.

02:35:07.000 Well, I really love Solo Hunter, too, because when you're doing it, you're talking to yourself, and you're talking to the camera, and there's something pure about that, that it's just you alone out there.

02:35:19.000 I remember there was one where you were hunting, and you stopped to go fly fishing, or you stopped to catch trout, and then you cooked the trout. 0.93

02:35:29.000 That was your lunch that day, and I remember thinking, man, that's got to be a fucking cool experience.

02:35:33.000 He's by himself. 0.57

02:35:34.000 He's hunting, and he's like, let me just stop and catch a fish for the day.

02:35:38.000 And you catch that fish and cook it, then you're back on the hunt again.

02:35:41.000 Yeah.

02:35:42.000 Yeah, that's a lot of fun.

02:35:43.000 Yeah, now there's that alone show.

02:35:47.000 Yeah.

02:35:48.000 That's really taken off.

02:35:49.000 Yeah, that's...

02:35:50.000 It's a little bit different, though.

02:35:51.000 Goofy.

02:35:52.000 Yeah.

02:35:53.000 I like the real deal.

02:35:55.000 I like when you're just doing it.

02:35:56.000 Yeah, you're just doing it.

02:35:57.000 Whether I had a camera or not, it's the exact thing I'm doing no matter what.

02:36:01.000 And that's the thing that I loved about that is...

02:36:03.000 There was just like, okay, I'm here.

02:36:04.000 I'm documenting what I'm doing and taking people along for the ride, I guess.

02:36:07.000 One of the other ones that I really enjoyed of yours was when you decided to camp out in this ancient Native American site that you had found on the hill.

02:36:18.000 This abandoned site.

02:36:20.000 That was pretty wild.

02:36:21.000 Yeah, it was just like a windbreak.

02:36:22.000 I think they used them as blinds originally.

02:36:25.000 So it was up on this plateau.

02:36:26.000 I actually ran into, on a previous trip, an archaeologist that was up there.

02:36:31.000 And they were thinking that it might have been one of the first, they're around this lake and they're saying like in that area, maybe one of the first like kind of, not like a semi-permanent place where they would keep going back to that place like during the summer.

02:36:45.000 And then, yeah, you'd see that they'd build blinds essentially.

02:36:50.000 And then probably, my assumption was they'd build those blinds and then herd sheep, wild sheep.

02:36:55.000 Oh, towards them.

02:36:56.000 Yep.

02:36:57.000 Yeah.

02:36:58.000 Interesting.

02:36:58.000 Yeah.

02:36:59.000 All right, Remy.

02:37:00.000 Well, listen, brother, it's always good to talk to you.

02:37:03.000 Always good to catch up with you.

02:37:04.000 If people want to get a hold of you, it's Remy Warren on Instagram.

02:37:09.000 Do you use anything else?

02:37:10.000 Do you use Facebook?

02:37:11.000 Every social media, yeah.

02:37:13.000 All of it, Remy Warren.

02:37:15.000 And Remy Warren on YouTube?

02:37:17.000 Remy Warren channel?

02:37:18.000 Yeah, Remy Warren on YouTube, yeah.

02:37:19.000 And then Live Wild podcast if you want to hear about hunting stories or hunting tactics or whatever.

02:37:25.000 Slowly but surely, people will be indoctrinated into your world.

02:37:28.000 Yeah.

02:37:30.000 Well, thanks, brother.

02:37:31.000 Appreciate you coming on.

02:37:32.000 Thanks for having me.

02:37:32.000 My pleasure.

02:37:33.000 All right.

02:37:33.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 28, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1810 - Remi Warren

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