The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1819 - Cameron Hanes

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00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!

00:00:12.000 And Cameron Haynes, author.

00:00:16.000 How's it feel to be an author?

00:00:17.000 You've actually been an author for a long time, though.

00:00:20.000 Yeah.

00:00:21.000 Backcountry bowhunting.

00:00:21.000 When did you write that?

00:00:22.000 Not really.

00:00:23.000 Those didn't really count.

00:00:24.000 Those were like bowhunting books.

00:00:26.000 So it's like...

00:00:27.000 I mean, I guess it counts, but it's different than...

00:00:29.000 This is an actual book book.

00:00:31.000 This is a real book.

00:00:32.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 It's from a real publisher.

00:00:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:35.000 It's legit.

00:00:36.000 The other ones weren't really like that.

00:00:37.000 I've had two other books.

00:00:39.000 Backcountry bow...

00:00:40.000 Trophy...

00:00:41.000 Bowhunting Trophy Blacktail was in 1999, and Backcountry Bowhunting was in 2006. And then this one is tomorrow, which is today.

00:00:50.000 If you're listening to this, it's coming out today.

00:00:52.000 It's Endure.

00:00:54.000 And it's got that face of you from when you were moose hunting.

00:00:58.000 You have that manliest photo with the cheek cut and the blood trickling down your face.

00:01:04.000 When you had that, when the blood was trickling down your face, were you like, ooh, get some pictures?

00:01:08.000 No. 0.99

00:01:09.000 This is pretty fucking manly. 0.99

00:01:10.000 So Roy wasn't up there. 0.98

00:01:12.000 That was Roy and I's last hunt, but he wasn't up there yet.

00:01:15.000 And I was going through these alders, snow-covered, pretty foggy.

00:01:19.000 And it was weird.

00:01:22.000 When you're fighting through alders, they're slapping you in the face and things like that. 1.00

00:01:26.000 And I slipped and there's one that was broke and it was kind of sharp and I slipped and it went right on my cheek.

00:01:31.000 And I was thinking to myself at that time, I'm like, could have taken out an eye.

00:01:35.000 You know, that would have been great, but it just did that.

00:01:38.000 There it is.

00:01:39.000 Come on, man.

00:01:40.000 That's probably one of the most badass pictures a person's ever taken.

00:01:43.000 So I got up.

00:01:45.000 Thank you.

00:01:46.000 Selfie.

00:01:47.000 And I got up there, and then I got up to the top, and I was kind of looking around, and you see it's kind of foggy back there.

00:01:52.000 And then I didn't know I actually had blood.

00:01:55.000 And then, yeah.

00:01:56.000 Did you, like, look at it in a selfie to find the blood?

00:01:59.000 I had my phone, and I looked.

00:02:00.000 I was like, oh, okay, cool.

00:02:02.000 Sample shot of that.

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 Impress all the fellas back home.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, well, it's meaningful because it was an amazing hunt, it was a hard hunt, and it was...

00:02:12.000 Roy and I had...

00:02:14.000 You know, it was a hunt we always...

00:02:16.000 It's what we love to do.

00:02:17.000 Hard, cold, miserable, grizzly bears, long pack, killed a good bull.

00:02:24.000 Just...

00:02:25.000 And this is for people who don't know, Roy was your good friend who got you into bow hunting, who died shortly afterwards.

00:02:32.000 He fell while sheep hunting and fell to his death, which is a lot more common than I thought it was.

00:02:40.000 I was talking to someone about people falling while sheep hunting, and he was saying it happens every year.

00:02:47.000 Yeah.

00:02:48.000 What I've noticed, because there's a lot of guys I look up to because of their mountain abilities or hunting or just, they're just, I don't know, just people I look up to.

00:02:58.000 If you spend a lot of time in the mountains, there's risk.

00:03:02.000 And you know, eventually, it only takes one.

00:03:06.000 And those kind of mountains, like the sheep hunting mountains, are very steep.

00:03:10.000 It's rugged terrain, and it's snowy and cliff.

00:03:14.000 Sometimes.

00:03:15.000 Sometimes.

00:03:16.000 Where Roy fell, it was dry at that time.

00:03:19.000 And it was just one, because there's a dry side of the mountain, and then on the north side or the other side, it's cooler, so there's more snow.

00:03:27.000 And the ice, as you mentioned, like where I killed my sheep on that same hunt in 2008, that was on the...

00:03:33.000 The cold side, where he fell on the warm side, it was dry, but it's so steep.

00:03:40.000 It just takes one mistake.

00:03:43.000 He'd been up there for years.

00:03:46.000 Remy Warren was on the podcast a couple weeks ago, and he was telling me a story about sheep hunting that he was guiding, actually.

00:03:53.000 And he was guiding this woman, and she killed a sheep, but it fell on this ledge on a cliff.

00:03:59.000 And so he figured, you know, I'll just climb over there and knock it loose.

00:04:03.000 And then he climbed over there and knocked it loose, and then basically had a panic attack, and he realized how steep it was.

00:04:09.000 And how very dangerous it was.

00:04:12.000 And then when he got back, the woman was screaming and cussing and hitting him. 1.00

00:04:15.000 You know, don't you ever fucking do that again? 0.99

00:04:17.000 Oh, right. 0.99

00:04:18.000 She was scared.

00:04:19.000 She was terrified because he almost died.

00:04:21.000 I mean, he was like, this is the most scared I've ever been while, like, climbing around on something.

00:04:26.000 What the hardest thing for me is climbing up is way different than trying to come down.

00:04:31.000 Yes.

00:04:31.000 And you can feel and gravity's kind of keeping you against the rocks a little bit.

00:04:36.000 It's just different.

00:04:37.000 You're climbing up, you're looking for handholds and footholds.

00:04:40.000 Right.

00:04:41.000 You can't see.

00:04:42.000 Everything changes.

00:04:43.000 Yeah.

00:04:43.000 That's what he said.

00:04:44.000 That was the thing, is him trying to make his way back.

00:04:47.000 He made his way over there, but making his way back, he's like, oh my God, I can't go back the way I came.

00:04:51.000 He had to go all the way up.

00:04:52.000 Oh, right.

00:04:53.000 And then crest over the top, and that was the only way he could do it.

00:04:55.000 Thank God that was possible.

00:04:56.000 Thank God it was possible, because he didn't know it was possible.

00:04:59.000 Yeah, I mean, if he would have had to try to come down something that sketchy... 0.99

00:05:02.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:05:04.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:05:05.000 And, you know, falling...

00:05:06.000 Yeah, falling there, rocks, it doesn't take a long fall to be dangerous.

00:05:13.000 I was reading about this guy who died in front of his family recently on a vacation.

00:05:16.000 He was cliff diving, and he decided to try to just make this crazy jump, and he didn't jump far enough.

00:05:22.000 And he hit the rocks, and his family was filming him.

00:05:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:28.000 Fuck cliff diving. 1.00

00:05:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:31.000 Those people are out of their minds.

00:05:33.000 And, you know, it's like people do things for these quick little weird thrills.

00:05:39.000 And I just don't understand it for the life of me.

00:05:42.000 Maybe it's because I know so many people that have gotten hurt doing dangerous things that I think are maybe more worthwhile.

00:05:50.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 Like hunting or like, you know.

00:05:52.000 There's a reward at the end. 1.00

00:05:54.000 Yeah, but like when we talked to Andy Stumpf, Andy, that goddamn psychopath, he's so crazy. 0.99

00:05:59.000 He's always like sending me like videos of him skydiving. 0.97

00:06:02.000 Don't you want to try this?

00:06:03.000 I'm like, no.

00:06:05.000 No, that's even, yeah, but he's in the squirrel suit also.

00:06:08.000 The squirrel suit's the scariest.

00:06:08.000 Yeah.

00:06:09.000 Oh, just amazing.

00:06:11.000 But yeah, people need that.

00:06:12.000 That thrill makes them feel alive, I think.

00:06:14.000 I don't get it.

00:06:15.000 I'm good.

00:06:16.000 Yeah.

00:06:17.000 I like if I'm doing something, if it's an activity, if I'm hunting grizzly or hunting buffalo or something like that.

00:06:26.000 Right.

00:06:26.000 I'll take the risk.

00:06:27.000 Yeah.

00:06:28.000 But, yeah, just risk for risk.

00:06:32.000 There's a different kind of a thrill being in the wild.

00:06:32.000 It's a little different.

00:06:36.000 It's weird.

00:06:37.000 It's hard to describe when people say to me, like, why do you like hunting?

00:06:42.000 Not just for the meat, not just because it's difficult to do, but there's a thing about being in the real wild.

00:06:50.000 Like, when we're in the mountains in Utah and you know there's big cats out there.

00:06:54.000 I told you I saw that giant cat last year.

00:06:56.000 When you know they're out there, too, there's like...

00:06:59.000 Extra crackle in the air.

00:07:01.000 It's like every way you walk, it's like you're looking around, and now that I know, now that I saw one within 30 yards, now I've just got a totally different feeling about it.

00:07:11.000 Because I always knew they were there, but then when you see one, And that's not even the scariest.

00:07:17.000 The scariest is grizzlies.

00:07:19.000 Seeing a grizzly bear, I mean, I saw one with Jen up in Alberta, but it wasn't even a big one.

00:07:25.000 It was like six feet away, but just the way he looked at me, I was like, oh my god, they look at you so different.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, that stare means something.

00:07:34.000 Can I eat you?

00:07:35.000 Yeah, you know what they're capable of, because to them, that's all they do.

00:07:39.000 They're measuring risk, reward, and they're calculating.

00:07:45.000 But that unpredictability, when you're in grizzly country, like in Alaska, Especially at night.

00:07:54.000 You know, that's where you feel very vulnerable.

00:07:56.000 In your tent.

00:07:57.000 And knowing that those things are out there, they could be close. 0.99

00:08:01.000 This is a thin piece of cloth between you and a fucking 900 pound enormous animal. 0.99

00:08:01.000 That's tough. 0.99

00:08:08.000 Yeah.

00:08:08.000 That's been killing things its whole life.

00:08:11.000 That was the biggest thing.

00:08:13.000 One of my first, I think it was the very first trip I took to Alaska with Roy.

00:08:17.000 He had moved up there and we went to Kodiak Island.

00:08:19.000 Just got dropped off.

00:08:21.000 And we split up because we like to, you know, call the shots, do our own thing, just looking for adventure.

00:08:27.000 Mostly neither one of us wanted to.

00:08:29.000 At that time, we were pretty competitive. 0.95

00:08:31.000 So if we saw an animal, we both wanted to kill it. 0.98

00:08:33.000 Right.

00:08:34.000 So to eliminate that problem, we just split up.

00:08:37.000 Good luck.

00:08:38.000 And then go make our own luck.

00:08:41.000 But at night, because it would get dark, you're hunting the rut, which is late in the year, say late October, early November.

00:08:47.000 It gets dark at, I think, 4 in the afternoon.

00:08:50.000 And then it doesn't get light until, I mean, I think it's dark 17 hours.

00:08:55.000 Oh, wow.

00:08:56.000 And you're just in this little tent, and there's brown bear on Kodiak Island.

00:09:01.000 And you're just hunkered down and what do you do?

00:09:04.000 Hoping.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, it's a long night.

00:09:05.000 Hoping.

00:09:08.000 And those, you know, I saw one the first time there and it looked like a Volkswagen bug, like butt on legs.

00:09:17.000 It's just like, that's how big it looked.

00:09:18.000 I was just like, oh my, I don't even see black bear.

00:09:21.000 A bug or a bus?

00:09:22.000 Like a bug.

00:09:23.000 A bug.

00:09:24.000 Like a car.

00:09:25.000 Like a car, yeah.

00:09:26.000 Beetle, bug, whatever those are called.

00:09:27.000 But it looked like that big, but a bear.

00:09:31.000 So, big as a car.

00:09:32.000 And maybe it was.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, it's kind of counterintuitive, right?

00:09:38.000 You would say, like, why would anybody want to be around that?

00:09:41.000 But they make the experience more interesting because you are around them.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, it's part of the adventure.

00:09:49.000 Yeah, well, it's also part of the reality of where you are.

00:09:53.000 Like, you are in an ecosystem, and there's apex predators, and then there's prey animals, and then you...

00:10:02.000 Every now and then, enter into this world, and you're kind of somewhere in between, and you're running around, and if you're successful, you get an animal, and then you're at home, eating that animal, you know, weeks, months later, thinking about that experience,

00:10:17.000 and it brings that experience back to you in a weird way.

00:10:21.000 It's very hard to describe to people, but when I eat a piece of elk, I think of where I was when I shot that animal, and it's Yeah.

00:10:30.000 For me, it's not—the meat kind of looks like meat, but for me, where it's really driven home, the reality is when I open the freezer and I see how the packages are labeled, and it will say Colorado Elk Backstrap 2020. And I go right back.

00:10:47.000 Those packages of meat capture this memory or this experience like nothing else to me.

00:10:52.000 Because it's like saying what the animal is, what year it was, and then I remember that episode or that experience.

00:11:01.000 And a freezer with meat in it just does it for me.

00:11:06.000 And it's not regular meat either.

00:11:08.000 It's like, you know, I've been talking to Jocko about this.

00:11:10.000 It's like superfood.

00:11:11.000 There's something about it.

00:11:12.000 Like for someone who's eaten steak their whole life, and then you eat elk, you're like, hey, what's going on here?

00:11:19.000 Why do I feel so good?

00:11:20.000 It's like there's something in that meat.

00:11:23.000 There's a quality to wild game.

00:11:25.000 You know, and I think people want to talk about like, you know, whether or not...

00:11:31.000 Ranchers use hormones or antibiotics.

00:11:33.000 There's a lot of that talk.

00:11:35.000 I'm not sure if they do or don't.

00:11:36.000 I don't think I feel that in the meat.

00:11:39.000 But what I feel is the difference between an animal that is running away from giant cats and wolves and bears, and it's just a lie.

00:11:47.000 The meat is alive.

00:11:49.000 There's some power to it.

00:11:51.000 You know, it's a more potent living creature.

00:11:54.000 And when you eat that more potent living creature, it's more nutritious.

00:11:57.000 That's proven by science.

00:11:59.000 I mean, when they analyze the difference between a 12-ounce piece of elk versus a 12-ounce piece of beef, it's like double the protein.

00:12:07.000 And who knows what the amino acid count is and vitamin count, but I'm sure it's through the roof.

00:12:12.000 And the stuff they may be putting in or feeding the animal, the beef.

00:12:17.000 Right.

00:12:17.000 I don't know what they're feeding them.

00:12:18.000 Me neither.

00:12:18.000 It's hard to say because some people are just pure grass-fed, regenerative farming, and that's really good for you.

00:12:25.000 And it tastes different than when you buy grain-fed cattle, which is still pretty good.

00:12:29.000 But it's just the difference in the way you feel after you eat it.

00:12:34.000 I noticed this.

00:12:35.000 So I started hunting in Western Oregon, which is more, it's populated little towns and cities and things like that.

00:12:44.000 In Eastern Oregon, it's bigger, bigger, more wild country.

00:12:47.000 So I was used to hunting elk just in the small logging community outside of there on warehouser ground.

00:12:54.000 And those elk sea people, there's some lions, but not like in the wilderness.

00:12:59.000 There's some bears, but not like back there now.

00:13:02.000 And now in the wilderness, there's wolves, actually.

00:13:05.000 But I noticed a difference in the animals, how they behaved and how much faster they were in the wilderness.

00:13:11.000 So I would say...

00:13:14.000 It was more of a challenge because those elk back there could actually move by the time the arrow got there.

00:13:19.000 And an elk normally will stand there because they're 800 pounds.

00:13:24.000 They're not quick like an axis deer or something like that.

00:13:27.000 Their reactions just aren't like that.

00:13:28.000 They're not wired that same way.

00:13:30.000 But in the wilderness, I was like, these elk are high-octane.

00:13:35.000 This is like...

00:13:36.000 Whole nother level of hunting.

00:13:39.000 I got to be better because these elk are on another level of reaction time and it felt more wild.

00:13:45.000 So then, you know, being a human is so crazy.

00:13:50.000 You think all these different paths and putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.

00:13:53.000 So I'm like, well, if they're more wild back here and I'm eating them, Maybe I'm going to be stronger, faster.

00:14:02.000 And so I had in my head right then that this meat that I'm eating and the animal, it's going to impact me and how I react.

00:14:08.000 So that's why, and people don't get it, and maybe there is no difference, but when I eat bear, I feel ultra beast-like.

00:14:15.000 I'm like, I eat bear meat.

00:14:17.000 There's something to that.

00:14:19.000 I feel it.

00:14:20.000 Whether it's true or not, whatever.

00:14:21.000 You can say whatever you want, but I just know how I feel.

00:14:23.000 So you can't tell me how I feel is wrong.

00:14:26.000 Well, there's for sure something in it's more nutritious to eat wild game.

00:14:32.000 It's 100% more nutritious.

00:14:33.000 It's just a fact.

00:14:34.000 But it's like, why is it more nutritious?

00:14:36.000 Like, why are they more potent?

00:14:39.000 And it only makes sense that an animal that has to get away from other predators, an animal that has to live that hardscrabble life in the wilderness, It's harder to get and more rewarding when you get it.

00:14:51.000 And look at all the people that we know that eat wild game.

00:14:55.000 They're pretty damn healthy.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:57.000 Yeah, like you and Rinella and like all the guys that we know, Remy, that eat wild game all the time.

00:15:03.000 They look pretty damn good.

00:15:04.000 Healthy folks.

00:15:04.000 Yeah.

00:15:05.000 Definitely.

00:15:06.000 There's something to that.

00:15:07.000 And there's something, again, from a guy who, you know, for 40 plus years of my life didn't eat wild game and then I eat it all the time.

00:15:14.000 It's different.

00:15:14.000 Right.

00:15:15.000 It's different.

00:15:16.000 I get beat up for this too because I guess, you know, vegans can say whatever they want about hunters and it's good to go.

00:15:23.000 I put up, I remember I put up one thing about a vegan.

00:15:25.000 I can't remember what it was.

00:15:26.000 It's like their diet and it's like they went from this healthy person to looking pretty sickly.

00:15:31.000 Oh, there's a lot of those.

00:15:32.000 And it's kind of a meme joke thing and I'm just like, oh no, actually God.

00:15:37.000 And this is, I'm probably stepping in.

00:15:39.000 I know you can't get canceled, but maybe I can.

00:15:41.000 But I put up something about Canelo, because I guess he went vegan.

00:15:45.000 Yeah, he went vegan for his last fight.

00:15:47.000 And all I put up was, that worked well.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, I reposted it.

00:15:51.000 I reposted it in my Instagram stories.

00:15:53.000 I got so much hate for that.

00:15:55.000 And it's like, we get crucified for being killers and meat eaters and all this.

00:16:00.000 I put up one joke meme about Canelo who looked...

00:16:04.000 Awful compared to how he, and the one thing that changed was his diet, and then all of a sudden I'm the bad guy.

00:16:09.000 But anyway.

00:16:10.000 Well, there's two things going on there.

00:16:12.000 One, Bivol is a real, legit light heavyweight, and that's only the second light heavyweight that Canelo had fought.

00:16:19.000 The first one was Kovalev, but Kovalev was at the end of his career.

00:16:22.000 Kovalev had lost a bunch of times, he'd been stopped, and he wasn't the same guy as he was when he fought Andre Ward the first time.

00:16:29.000 Kovalev, when he was the man, when he was a light heavyweight champion, was a real savage.

00:16:34.000 And he was winning that fight with Canelo, too, by the way.

00:16:36.000 There's a reason why there's weight classes.

00:16:38.000 And Canelo fought Floyd Mayweather.

00:16:41.000 I believe he fought him at 152 pounds, which is the lightest he's ever fought.

00:16:44.000 Generally, he would fight at 154, and then he moved up.

00:16:49.000 Fought middleweight, and that's where he fought Gennady Golovkin.

00:16:55.000 I think he fought him at 60, or it might have been super middleweight.

00:17:00.000 Find out if that's...

00:17:01.000 So then, there's a jump, man.

00:17:03.000 I think it was 160. Golovkin was the middleweight champion.

00:17:07.000 And so that 15-pound jump is giant.

00:17:10.000 So you want to go up in weight and quit eating meat?

00:17:13.000 Let's see what it says here.

00:17:15.000 60. Yeah, okay.

00:17:16.000 So they fought twice.

00:17:18.000 They were supposed to fight a third time, but it looks like he's going to have a rematch with B-Vol instead.

00:17:22.000 But if you're going to go up...

00:17:24.000 Yeah.

00:17:24.000 Well, it's like he watched that documentary on Netflix, Game Changers.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:29.000 There's a lot of, you know, look, if you want to eat only vegan and you want to do it for ethical reasons and you don't want to be involved in animal death, I get it.

00:17:38.000 You don't want to be involved in factory farming, I get it.

00:17:42.000 But it's not true when you say that it gives you a significant athletic performance boost.

00:17:48.000 It doesn't.

00:17:49.000 There's no real proof of that. 0.96

00:17:50.000 And they fucked with some reality when they made that. 0.84

00:17:54.000 There's no real elite professional athletes at the highest level that I'm aware of that are vegan. 0.94

00:18:00.000 I don't think it has the same bioavailability as animal protein.

00:18:06.000 And this is coming from nutritionists that are unbiased and objective.

00:18:11.000 Not coming from guys like, you know, the carnivore MD, Paul Saladino.

00:18:15.000 Guys who, like, are proselytizing to eat carnivorously.

00:18:19.000 This is just from, like, regular scientists.

00:18:22.000 They'll tell you, like, you can get as much protein from X amount of broccoli as you can from a steak.

00:18:28.000 The problem is it's not the same kind of protein.

00:18:31.000 It's not as bioavailable.

00:18:32.000 And if, okay, so surviving is one thing.

00:18:36.000 Right, thriving.

00:18:36.000 Right.

00:18:37.000 Performing or thriving is a whole other thing. 1.00

00:18:39.000 You can eat a lot of shit and just get by and not die. 1.00

00:18:43.000 That's the real question. 1.00

00:18:44.000 But are you trying to be optimum performance at whatever you do?

00:18:47.000 I was a vegetarian for six months.

00:18:49.000 Did I ever tell you that when I was fighting?

00:18:50.000 Because I was having a really hard time making weight.

00:18:53.000 I was competing when I was 17. I won the state championship at 140 pounds.

00:19:00.000 And the next weight class was 154 pounds.

00:19:04.000 And I was struggling.

00:19:06.000 I couldn't really get...

00:19:08.000 I wasn't 140. I was like 153, 154. And I would dehydrate the shit out of myself.

00:19:13.000 Make the weight. 0.94

00:19:14.000 And then I'd have to fight on the same day.

00:19:15.000 It was not good.

00:19:16.000 And I was fighting. 0.99

00:19:18.000 I won, but I felt like shit. 0.99

00:19:20.000 I was like, I could have fucked those guys up if I felt my best. 0.99

00:19:24.000 And then I did it for a while to try to lean out, but I was just tired all the time. 0.99

00:19:24.000 Strong. 0.99

00:19:29.000 And I know I probably wasn't doing it right, and I've never done it right, where, you know, you eat pea protein and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone...

00:19:37.000 But when I started eating meat, that's when I became at my best.

00:19:41.000 When I went on my best performance run as a competitor, it was all eating meat, and that's mostly what I ate was meat.

00:19:48.000 Right.

00:19:49.000 And I felt a lot different.

00:19:50.000 And that was the only example that I've ever had, because it's the only stretch of my life, when I was competing, a very intense thing, and I ate nothing but vegetables for a good six months.

00:20:03.000 Six months, that's a long time.

00:20:04.000 I tried.

00:20:04.000 It was a long time.

00:20:06.000 My instructor was very tall, and we were from the same weight class.

00:20:11.000 140, it might have been 147, whatever it was.

00:20:14.000 I forget what the weight class was, but it was in the 40s.

00:20:16.000 And then he was like 6'3", 6'2", 6'3". 0.69

00:20:20.000 And he was in the same weight class as me when he was younger and was competing. 0.99

00:20:23.000 So I was like brainwashed to think like, I'm too short for this fucking weight class. 0.98

00:20:26.000 I gotta start myself. 0.99

00:20:27.000 But it's just body types.

00:20:29.000 I was built way different than him.

00:20:31.000 I'm wider and thicker.

00:20:33.000 It's just different.

00:20:34.000 And I got way better as soon as I stopped doing that.

00:20:38.000 But it's like, I'm also not starving myself, so there's that too.

00:20:42.000 Oftentimes in the UFC, you'll see guys when they go up in weight, they become their best version.

00:20:47.000 Charles Oliveira is a great example of that.

00:20:50.000 He fought for 145 for a while, and he fought very well, but He never really hit the strides that he hit when he went up to 155. He's on a roll now.

00:21:01.000 Oh my God, he's so good.

00:21:03.000 He's on a roll.

00:21:03.000 He's so good.

00:21:05.000 And he's, you know, people take different approaches.

00:21:08.000 They talk smack, get fights. 0.84

00:21:10.000 You know, there's whole different ways to do it.

00:21:12.000 He's so respectful.

00:21:13.000 So respectful.

00:21:14.000 And so nice.

00:21:15.000 Yes.

00:21:15.000 And it's like, I mean, whatever, I guess it's different for everybody, but man, he's got something that's working right now.

00:21:22.000 And he's hard not to root for.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, well, that's who he is.

00:21:26.000 He's a very, very nice guy. 0.92

00:21:28.000 And he got screwed in his last fight. 0.59

00:21:31.000 There was some shenanigans with the scale. 0.95

00:21:34.000 Some people had messed with the scale.

00:21:35.000 Here's a problem with these digital scales.

00:21:37.000 Foreign fighters, they use kilograms.

00:21:40.000 And in America, obviously, we use pounds.

00:21:42.000 And so the foreign fighters were, like, these scales are calibrated.

00:21:46.000 And then the foreign fighters would reset the scale so they could switch it back to kilograms. 0.82

00:21:51.000 So it fucks up the whole calibration.

00:21:53.000 Oh, I see.

00:21:54.000 And so he would weigh in or he weighed in like the night before the weigh-ins.

00:21:59.000 He was like, oh, I'm good to go.

00:22:00.000 And then in the morning he goes and shows up for the weight cut and it's a pound plus off.

00:22:05.000 And that is directly related to this calibration thing.

00:22:10.000 Calibration issue.

00:22:10.000 Yeah, makes sense.

00:22:11.000 Now the UFC has a new policy because of this where they have a guard who watches over the scale 24 hours a day. 0.80

00:22:18.000 They have shifts where no one can fuck with the scale.

00:22:22.000 If you're going to get on that scale to try yourself, they're going to watch you like a hawk and you don't press any buttons. 0.96

00:22:26.000 You don't just get on, what's your weight?

00:22:28.000 Get off.

00:22:29.000 That's it.

00:22:29.000 So these guys were monkeying around with the scale.

00:22:32.000 That's surprising that even at the level that UFC's at right now, that was still, still hadn't got that figured out.

00:22:38.000 It's Phoenix.

00:22:39.000 That's what it is.

00:22:40.000 Oh, I see.

00:22:40.000 And it's not a knock on Phoenix.

00:22:42.000 I love Phoenix.

00:22:43.000 It's just that the people that are there don't do high-level, world championship MMA fights on a regular basis.

00:22:50.000 They do a few.

00:22:51.000 We've had a good time there.

00:22:53.000 They've had some good events there.

00:22:54.000 But they just made a mistake.

00:22:56.000 They'll let these guys do it, and there should have been someone watching the scale.

00:23:00.000 And the scale was off.

00:23:01.000 And that's a fact.

00:23:02.000 And that's why Oliveira...

00:23:03.000 Look, it's not the best excuse because Justin Gaethje made weight.

00:23:07.000 Everybody else made weight except one of the women that fought earlier in the night. 1.00

00:23:11.000 She didn't make weight. 1.00

00:23:12.000 But that's it.

00:23:13.000 So I wanted Gaethje in that fight.

00:23:16.000 I'm a Justin Gaethje fan.

00:23:18.000 I love all his team.

00:23:19.000 I like his attitude.

00:23:21.000 I like he's just so tough.

00:23:24.000 He's awesome.

00:23:26.000 But how impressive is it that Olivera can have all that drama?

00:23:30.000 Would you know how you've got to be in the right mindset to fight, I imagine?

00:23:34.000 And he's got to overcome all this.

00:23:36.000 And still, then he gets rocked.

00:23:39.000 Yeah.

00:23:39.000 Gets rocked twice by Gaethje, who's got, you know, hands of stone.

00:23:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:23:45.000 And still comes back and wins.

00:23:46.000 Well, here's what's interesting about Charles Oliveira.

00:23:49.000 When Charles Oliveira fights, even though he's the champion, he fights like a berserker.

00:23:56.000 He fights—he puts himself in danger.

00:23:59.000 Like, he doesn't fight safe.

00:24:00.000 He doesn't fight to try to outpoint you.

00:24:03.000 He doesn't fight tactically, like where he's trying to get— The least amount of damage and drag you into deep water and then strategically try to take you out in the fourth and fifth round.

00:24:14.000 No.

00:24:15.000 From the moment the first bell rings, he's coming at you.

00:24:19.000 Guns blazing.

00:24:21.000 And Gaethje was coming at him too, but it's like Gaethje was overwhelmed by Olivera's pace and his aggression.

00:24:28.000 Even when Gaethje cracked him, Olivera's so different than anybody else.

00:24:31.000 When he gets hit, he just lays on his back.

00:24:33.000 And he's like, come get some of this.

00:24:35.000 And nobody wants that guard game.

00:24:36.000 He gets a break.

00:24:36.000 He's got the most submissions in the history of the sport.

00:24:39.000 He recovers.

00:24:40.000 Yes, because nobody wants to go to the ground with him.

00:24:41.000 Normally, guys would just come bombing in, just trying to land anything extra.

00:24:45.000 It's like when you wound an animal, any other arrow in it is go.

00:24:49.000 You're just trying to glance something off, catch something.

00:24:53.000 Most time, guys will hurt a guy, come in, and just go crazy.

00:24:57.000 But not with him.

00:24:59.000 No, you don't want that ground game.

00:25:00.000 His ground game is so elite.

00:25:02.000 It's so good.

00:25:03.000 I mean, I wonder how he would do in a, like, world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:25:09.000 Because I think he would do very well.

00:25:11.000 Because I watch the way he finishes submissions, the way he syncs things up.

00:25:14.000 I mean, it is top of the food chain stuff.

00:25:16.000 I've seen a lot of jujitsu in my days.

00:25:19.000 I've rarely seen anyone compete in MMA that closes the show like Olivera when the fight goes to the ground.

00:25:26.000 It was smooth. 1.00

00:25:27.000 His shit is razor sharp. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Razor sharp. 1.00

00:25:30.000 Smooth.

00:25:31.000 He hit, hurt Justin, and was so, just immediately on his back.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 And like, I think went for a couple different things, but ended up getting under his chin and getting them, but...

00:25:41.000 The only person, I haven't watched all those fights like you, but I saw Chandler get out of that somehow.

00:25:46.000 You remember that?

00:25:47.000 Yep, yep.

00:25:47.000 He was on Chandler's back, had to choke in, Chandler somehow spun.

00:25:53.000 Chandler is an animal. 0.91

00:25:55.000 Look, he's an animal. 0.99

00:25:56.000 That guy, here's another guy, that's a do or die. 1.00

00:25:59.000 That's a kill or be killed guy right there. 0.81

00:26:01.000 Oh, and Tony had him hurt a little bit. 0.95

00:26:04.000 Well, Tony cracked him a couple of times.

00:26:04.000 Yeah.

00:26:06.000 The thing about Chandler is, like, you've got to take him out.

00:26:09.000 He's not going to quit.

00:26:10.000 No.

00:26:10.000 There's zero quitting him.

00:26:12.000 You've got to take him out.

00:26:13.000 And his style, he's also got that kill-or-be-killed style, he puts himself in danger, too. 0.77

00:26:18.000 Yeah.

00:26:18.000 And he loses sometimes.

00:26:20.000 You know, and he lost to Oliveira when they fought.

00:26:20.000 Sometimes.

00:26:22.000 But he had Oliveira in deep shit in that first round. 0.99

00:26:25.000 So close. 0.99

00:26:25.000 He came that close to being the champion of the world. 0.99

00:26:28.000 That close.

00:26:28.000 How...

00:26:29.000 That's another thing I'm so impressed with.

00:26:31.000 I mentioned Chandler in the book because we've trained together, but I'm so impressed by that mental ability.

00:26:38.000 You said this close to a world championship.

00:26:42.000 Didn't get it.

00:26:43.000 How devastating would that be?

00:26:45.000 His attitude is like, well, back to work.

00:26:47.000 See you at the top.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, he's got a great attitude.

00:26:50.000 It's amazing.

00:26:51.000 Well, that's also why he's so loved.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:55.000 So he had great defense, which is very impressive.

00:26:58.000 Very impressive and scrambled at.

00:26:59.000 But he's also like this ball of muscle.

00:27:02.000 Oh, I know.

00:27:03.000 He's so physically strong. 0.97

00:27:04.000 When I was standing next to him, when I was interviewing him after the fight, I'm like, how the fuck do you weigh 155 pounds? 0.98

00:27:11.000 He looks like he's 190. He is 190. I guarantee you right now, if you get on the scale, he's 190. Solid muscle. 0.97

00:27:19.000 So he weighs 155 for about 20 minutes at the most.

00:27:23.000 And then he rehydrates, and I bet he's 170 plus when he fights.

00:27:27.000 And then once he fully fuels himself over the next couple of days after the fight, he was 186 the other day, right after the fight.

00:27:35.000 Right after the fight with Ferguson.

00:27:37.000 He was talking about it, and he said he was 186 pounds.

00:27:41.000 And he's killing the mic, too, after the fight.

00:27:43.000 Oh, my God!

00:27:46.000 When I interviewed him after that fight, it was the best ever post-fight speech I've ever heard in my life.

00:27:52.000 He's screaming, yeah, Conor McGregor!

00:27:54.000 Yeah, I know.

00:27:56.000 I mean, he is so good at that.

00:27:58.000 He's amazing at it.

00:27:59.000 He's amazing at it.

00:28:00.000 Yeah, so how can you...

00:28:01.000 So you're already planning on winning, obviously, but then you already have this whole thing.

00:28:05.000 You've got your bell rung a little bit, just to be so dialed in live.

00:28:09.000 Most people can't talk live without screwing up, but screaming after a fight and just kill it?

00:28:15.000 Well, he does that the way he does everything.

00:28:18.000 The way he trains, the way he fights.

00:28:19.000 So prepared.

00:28:20.000 He's just an animal.

00:28:21.000 It's also, like, full tilt.

00:28:23.000 He's smart.

00:28:23.000 Yeah, he's very smart.

00:28:24.000 Very smart.

00:28:25.000 Very well prepared.

00:28:26.000 Prepared, like, scientifically, in terms of his strength and conditioning, technically.

00:28:31.000 You know, he's a Henry Hooft guy, so he's, like, his...

00:28:35.000 Look at the size of him.

00:28:36.000 I was at 155 pounds.

00:28:37.000 Look at...

00:28:38.000 Go right there.

00:28:39.000 I'm 200 pounds.

00:28:40.000 Look at that.

00:28:41.000 Look at the size of him.

00:28:42.000 The size of him!

00:28:43.000 Look how big he is! 0.99

00:28:44.000 How fucking big is he? 0.99

00:28:44.000 I know. 0.99

00:28:45.000 He looks as big as you.

00:28:46.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:28:47.000 How the fuck is that guy 155 pounds? 0.99

00:28:49.000 It makes zero sense. 1.00

00:28:51.000 He's so big.

00:28:52.000 He's a tank.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:54.000 And then also, these guys, where they're harder than to sleep, they put so much into it.

00:28:58.000 He gets up on that cage and then he's looking for a son.

00:29:02.000 Kind of emotional.

00:29:02.000 Yeah.

00:29:03.000 He started crying when he saw his son.

00:29:06.000 That was the first time his son had seen him fight live.

00:29:08.000 And his son is so young, he's got earphones on to keep his ears from blowing out because that arena was insanity.

00:29:15.000 God.

00:29:16.000 Aww, look how cute.

00:29:17.000 I got so much respect for Chandler.

00:29:17.000 I know.

00:29:20.000 He's amazing.

00:29:21.000 By the way, he's not a spring chicken either.

00:29:23.000 He's 36 years old.

00:29:25.000 In natural athletics, being natural meaning not taking any steroids or nothing, 36 is at the high end of peak performance, generally speaking.

00:29:36.000 For boxers, that's an old age.

00:29:39.000 There's not a whole lot of guys like Bernard Hopkins who compete well into their 40s and are at an elite level.

00:29:46.000 But Bernard Hopkins is a completely different kind of fighter. 0.94

00:29:48.000 Bernard Hopkins was very safety first, very defensively sound, very fucking technical. 0.87

00:29:53.000 Bernard didn't take any chances until he knew that he had you and then he started turning it up. 0.95

00:29:59.000 Super, super disciplined.

00:30:01.000 Chandler is a berserker.

00:30:02.000 He's a wild man.

00:30:04.000 And that knockout of Tony Ferguson was the most intense head kick knockout I think I've ever seen.

00:30:11.000 Because it's rare that a guy is at a level of Tony Ferguson that just gets flat lined with a head kick like that.

00:30:17.000 And to have it be a front kick, like DC said it best, he said it wasn't even like a regular front kick, it was like he kicked a soccer ball.

00:30:25.000 He just swung his leg up and just almost decapitated him.

00:30:30.000 I heard him say that Tony comes in wide.

00:30:32.000 You know, and so they felt like there was that channel up the middle.

00:30:36.000 But he said he didn't even plan that.

00:30:36.000 Right.

00:30:38.000 But I guess just thinking of strikes in your head up the middle strikes.

00:30:38.000 No, I know.

00:30:42.000 And that's one of them.

00:30:42.000 Yeah.

00:30:44.000 Landed.

00:30:45.000 My God.

00:30:45.000 I thought I was actually worried for Tony.

00:30:47.000 He was down for a while.

00:30:49.000 He was out unconscious for several minutes.

00:30:52.000 Yeah, that was scary.

00:30:53.000 It was scary.

00:30:54.000 It was scary to be there because...

00:30:56.000 You know, knock on wood, there's never been a real death or serious injury inside the octagon.

00:31:05.000 I mean, there's been broken bones, but that was a scary one.

00:31:10.000 It was.

00:31:11.000 When I talk about a great attitude, Tony Ferguson, same thing.

00:31:14.000 He's like, onward and upward, you know, the same goal, back on the grind, back training.

00:31:20.000 I can't imagine that job.

00:31:21.000 You pretty much have to I think have that attitude and just saying, but you'd have to be questioning everything.

00:31:28.000 Yeah.

00:31:28.000 And that, it's going to be hard.

00:31:31.000 It's, you know, you're questioning it and then you have to overrule those questions.

00:31:34.000 Right?

00:31:35.000 That's the champion's curse.

00:31:37.000 Because the thing that gets you to the dance is this unflappable belief in yourself.

00:31:41.000 But that's also the thing that makes you stick around too long.

00:31:44.000 Yeah.

00:31:45.000 Like when Sugar Ray Leonard fought Terry Norris.

00:31:46.000 It was like, Jesus Christ, I don't want to watch this.

00:31:48.000 It's like when you realize a guy is not supposed to be in there against a guy who is at the peak of his abilities.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 And that's when things get spooky.

00:31:57.000 Because that's when you see your heroes get tuned up and smashed.

00:32:01.000 That's where the UFC's pretty good.

00:32:03.000 They don't really put the guys who've been in it forever against the new elite guys.

00:32:10.000 Right.

00:32:11.000 Right.

00:32:11.000 Sometimes they do.

00:32:12.000 I mean, it's just...

00:32:14.000 I've heard talk of Diaz and...

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 Kamzat?

00:32:19.000 Well, Kamzat wants to fight everybody. 0.78

00:32:19.000 That's scary. 0.78

00:32:21.000 I'll kill everyone! 0.98

00:32:23.000 But I'll tell you what, man, that fight with Gilbert Burns got a lot of people brave. 0.98

00:32:26.000 A lot of people were more brave after that fight.

00:32:28.000 Yeah.

00:32:28.000 Because he looked human in that fight.

00:32:30.000 He did. 1.00

00:32:30.000 And Gilbert Burns is a fucking animal. 1.00

00:32:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:33.000 He's an animal. 1.00

00:32:35.000 Another nice guy. 1.00

00:32:35.000 That dude's an animal. 1.00

00:32:36.000 Super, super nice guy.

00:32:37.000 And he's another guy who also hit his peak going up in weight.

00:32:41.000 When he fought at 155. Right.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 Gilbert's a big guy. 0.98

00:32:44.000 When you stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck could he ever have made 155? 0.95

00:32:47.000 He's not anywhere as big as... 0.94

00:32:49.000 Hamzat, though. 0.69

00:32:50.000 No, Hamzat is tall.

00:32:52.000 Remember how he looked giant back there.

00:32:54.000 Yeah, he's a big guy.

00:32:56.000 It's a very tough weight cut for him, and when he makes it, he's so long.

00:33:01.000 And he's so dangerous with his strikes and with his wrestling, with everything, with everything.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:05.000 But the thing that we learned about Hamzat in that fight is he's not just a hammer.

00:33:10.000 He can take it, too.

00:33:12.000 Yeah, take some damage.

00:33:13.000 Yeah, like when the nail, you know, gets hit.

00:33:16.000 You know, sometimes...

00:33:17.000 A fighter is really good until someone puts pressure on them, and then they fold up shop.

00:33:22.000 They don't have a lot of resilience.

00:33:24.000 They just are very good aggressively.

00:33:25.000 It's called being a frontrunner, and that was a thing in boxing about certain fighters.

00:33:29.000 You know, you would always say, well, he's good until he's pressed, and then you see his confidence fall apart, and then we saw none of that with Hamzat, because Gilbert spun his head around. 0.69

00:33:39.000 And it would have KO'd 99% of the people on the planet.

00:33:43.000 But Hamzat immediately dove on after, like, wobbled, dropped, and he grabs a hold of a leg and then takes Gilbert down.

00:33:49.000 I mean, that's how good he is. 0.97

00:33:50.000 He fought just fucking with all of his soul. 0.99

00:33:53.000 It was amazing. 0.98

00:33:54.000 That is a good point, because you've seen people, I'm not going to say they're frontrunners because they're legends, but...

00:34:00.000 Before Tyson lost to Douglas, it's like you thought he's never going to lose, right?

00:34:06.000 And Connor, he was on that role, where it's like these guys are never going to lose.

00:34:10.000 And then they do, and then something changes.

00:34:13.000 Something with the aura, maybe the belief in themselves a little bit.

00:34:17.000 I don't know what, but...

00:34:19.000 He got challenged, and he had that same type of not even a man, like more of a machine, and got hurt and still came back.

00:34:28.000 I mean, you're right.

00:34:29.000 It means a lot.

00:34:30.000 It means a lot.

00:34:31.000 You know, I mean, he's got to have to recover from that fight because that was a real brutal war.

00:34:35.000 Both him and Gilbert, they need a lot of time off after that fight.

00:34:38.000 But we know a lot about Hamzat. 0.97

00:34:41.000 We know that, first of all, we know that that style...

00:34:45.000 That seek and destroy, throw yourself into the fire style.

00:34:48.000 It needs a little tweaking if you're going to fight Usman.

00:34:52.000 It needs a little tweaking.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, you're not going to just steamroll everybody.

00:34:55.000 He went through four fights in the UFC and was only hit twice.

00:34:59.000 I mean, of course the guy's confident.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, incredible.

00:35:03.000 He said his right hand breaks mountains.

00:35:08.000 I'm not arguing with him.

00:35:09.000 No, that's pretty confident.

00:35:10.000 It's very confident. 0.98

00:35:11.000 I was like, damn, I love that line. 0.99

00:35:13.000 Well, when he fought Gerald Murchardt and knocked him out with one punch, I was like, oh my god. 0.99

00:35:19.000 Yeah, 17 seconds or something.

00:35:20.000 That was at 185, too.

00:35:21.000 Yeah.

00:35:22.000 Yeah, it wasn't even at 170. He goes up to 185. And he was scheduled to fight Luke Rockhold at one point at 185. He was a former champion.

00:35:28.000 And then his team was like, listen, this is all fun and games, but stick to 170 and let's get a championship title.

00:35:35.000 And you can do this.

00:35:36.000 You can actually be a world champion at 170. Let's work our way.

00:35:39.000 And then they had a hard time getting people to fight him.

00:35:42.000 But, of course, Gilbert Burns will fight the devil.

00:35:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:45.000 You call Gilbert up, you know, you've got six weeks to prepare for the devil.

00:35:48.000 Right, yeah.

00:35:49.000 And it's like, poha!

00:35:49.000 Where's the devil?

00:35:51.000 Let's go!

00:35:52.000 You know, he's a real warrior.

00:35:54.000 I love those guys.

00:35:56.000 I mean, the fight game.

00:35:57.000 That was an amazing fight.

00:35:59.000 And that was an amazing fight for both guys.

00:36:00.000 And a lot of people made a good argument that Gilbert could have won that fight.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 It was a very, very, very close fight.

00:36:05.000 And I don't think Gilbert lost any stock in taking that fight and losing that fight by decision.

00:36:10.000 Like I said, quite a few people thought he won that fight.

00:36:12.000 I mean, yeah.

00:36:12.000 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 I was there with you, obviously, saw it.

00:36:16.000 It seemed, I mean, very competitive, very close.

00:36:19.000 But it seemed like he took a little more damage, and I think there's more control.

00:36:19.000 Super close.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, I'd have to watch it again and like just score it like with a piece of paper and write down what I think, you know, like shots landed and stuff like that to really get a...

00:36:32.000 It's hard when you're watching the fight.

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 Because one of the things that happens is when you expect a guy to win and the other guy starts doing well, sometimes you exaggerate it in your head that he's doing better than you thought.

00:36:43.000 Like, that is an issue with the underdog performances.

00:36:47.000 You know, Gilbert was...

00:36:48.000 Which is crazy that Gilbert was an underdog in that fight.

00:36:50.000 Considering he beat the brakes off Tyron Woodley.

00:36:53.000 You know, he's beating a lot of, like, top flight fighters.

00:36:55.000 He dropped Usman.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:57.000 Dropped Usman.

00:36:58.000 I mean...

00:36:58.000 He did, yeah.

00:36:59.000 He had Usman in some trouble.

00:37:00.000 Yeah, ultimately lost.

00:37:01.000 But it shows you how good Usman is.

00:37:02.000 Usman is one of the greatest of all time.

00:37:05.000 When you see that fight with Hamzat and Gilbert, and you think about the fight that Gilbert had with Usman, you realize how good Usman is.

00:37:13.000 He's one of the greatest of all time in any weight class.

00:37:16.000 In any weight class.

00:37:17.000 And he's there, and if Hamzat gets to him, if that becomes a fight, my God. 0.84

00:37:25.000 Well, I saw that also talking Poirier-Colby.

00:37:29.000 Yes.

00:37:30.000 But I don't think Poirier wants to fight him. 1.00

00:37:32.000 I think Poirier said, fuck that guy. 1.00

00:37:33.000 I don't want to give him any money. 1.00

00:37:35.000 He's like, he's an asshole. 1.00

00:37:36.000 But he just said. 1.00

00:37:36.000 He goes, let's do it. 1.00

00:37:37.000 Oh, he did?

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:38.000 Maybe he couldn't get any other fights.

00:37:40.000 You know, like, what else is available for Poirier right now?

00:37:42.000 And I'm wondering if he's saying that knowing Colby won't fight because of this whole Masvidal thing. 0.77

00:37:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:48.000 Well, you're friends with Colby.

00:37:51.000 And, um...

00:37:52.000 What is this here?

00:37:53.000 July 30th, I accept.

00:37:55.000 Dustin Poirier targets 170-pound showdown with Colby Covington. 0.99

00:37:59.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:38:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:01.000 Wow.

00:38:02.000 Wow, he changed his mind.

00:38:03.000 Yeah, so...

00:38:04.000 Or does he know that because Colby's going through all this other stuff with Masvidal and, you know, getting sucker punched, is he knowing it's not going to happen?

00:38:14.000 So he's just getting his name out there.

00:38:15.000 So did Colby...

00:38:17.000 I don't think he's responding.

00:38:18.000 Say it first?

00:38:19.000 Well, back in the, yeah, I mean, months ago.

00:38:22.000 So this is a whole string of, oh, someone, whoever this guy is, like I care.

00:38:28.000 What a great name.

00:38:30.000 Like I Care got Dustin to bite and he said, fight Colby. 0.94

00:38:35.000 And he said, July 30th, I accept.

00:38:37.000 Okay.

00:38:38.000 And I haven't seen Colby respond, but I would love to see that fight.

00:38:41.000 Yeah, but what I was getting to was your friends with Colby.

00:38:44.000 And so you know what happened when Jorge Masvidal sucker punched Colby.

00:38:49.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:50.000 He was hurt.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:52.000 I mean, he wasn't prepared for the punch.

00:38:54.000 Yeah, clearly.

00:38:55.000 It was different than in a fight.

00:38:58.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 It seems like...

00:39:01.000 I haven't talked to him recently, but he had a couple of videos.

00:39:06.000 Oh, leading up to, I think, 274, he's back to his old form.

00:39:12.000 I don't know if it's 274, but who was he talking about?

00:39:15.000 Oh, Oliveira and Justin. 0.94

00:39:17.000 And so he had some where he's back talking shit, saying, you know, here's his bookie line, whatever, doing all this. 0.98

00:39:24.000 And he seemed back on his game, you know, mentally. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Same as normal.

00:39:29.000 So hopefully he's okay.

00:39:30.000 The thing about getting hit in the head is, like, you can do that for, like, a video.

00:39:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:39:37.000 But are you compromised?

00:39:39.000 Like, are you a changed person?

00:39:42.000 Right.

00:39:42.000 Because a knockout can change a person.

00:39:44.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 And I don't know if he got knocked out by that punch.

00:39:46.000 I don't think he did.

00:39:46.000 But he got his tooth broken.

00:39:48.000 Yeah.

00:39:48.000 And, you know, I mean, he got...

00:39:50.000 Caught off guard.

00:39:51.000 Caught off guard and completely not knowing he was going to get hit, cracked in the face by a guy who's a world-class fighter.

00:39:58.000 Yeah.

00:39:59.000 That's not good.

00:40:00.000 And then he's going to press charges on Masvidal.

00:40:02.000 Yeah.

00:40:03.000 Which is crazy.

00:40:04.000 I mean, I wonder what happens there.

00:40:05.000 I don't know.

00:40:05.000 Because that's clearly assault.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 I mean, it's...

00:40:09.000 And it's not just assault.

00:40:11.000 It's assault in a situation where you just had a five-round fight with a guy.

00:40:17.000 I know.

00:40:17.000 And lost handily.

00:40:19.000 Mm-hmm.

00:40:20.000 And then you decided, I'm going to get my licks in when no one's... 0.70

00:40:23.000 So a lot of people are angry, calling it cowardly. 0.90

00:40:26.000 Yeah.

00:40:26.000 To me, it'd be different.

00:40:28.000 I guess it's a thing.

00:40:29.000 Sucker punching is like, you got to be ready at all times.

00:40:31.000 When you're eating dinner?

00:40:32.000 I don't know.

00:40:33.000 You got to be ready when you're at a steakhouse?

00:40:34.000 To me, it's different doing that as opposed to seeing them come out and be like, hey, I'm right here.

00:40:39.000 Right.

00:40:40.000 You said on site, let's do it.

00:40:42.000 That's different because it wasn't on site.

00:40:44.000 It's like if you're coming from behind them, how's it on site?

00:40:47.000 I have a hard time respecting that.

00:40:50.000 If they want to fight in the streets because they hate each other, whatever.

00:40:54.000 But hey, here we go.

00:40:56.000 Let's do it.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, it's one of those things where Masvidal's like, he crossed a line. 0.99

00:41:02.000 He talked about his family, and he's like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:41:04.000 He goes, I'm gonna crack you. 1.00

00:41:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:07.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people that feel that way, and that's why Dustin Poirier, for the longest time, was saying that he wouldn't fight Colby.

00:41:15.000 It's how Colby gets under your skin.

00:41:17.000 He crosses those lines.

00:41:18.000 And that is part of the strategy of him getting you mentally worked up and completely overwhelmed.

00:41:25.000 And it works.

00:41:25.000 It works on everybody, but it was mine.

00:41:28.000 And they say you cross a line, and he's saying, I don't see a line.

00:41:33.000 There is no line.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, he's like, the line is, this is my career.

00:41:37.000 I have one run at this, and I'm going to make as much money and as much noise as I can.

00:41:43.000 Look, the reality is he's the second best welterweight on planet Earth, in my mind.

00:41:49.000 I mean, until Hamzat gets to that level, right now he's the second best welterweight on planet Earth.

00:41:54.000 And what he did with Usman in two fights is at least the second fight made it to the final buzzer, got rocked, put on a hell of a fight.

00:42:06.000 It was a very good fight.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, it was a great fight.

00:42:08.000 Very, very good fight in the second fight.

00:42:10.000 He's just in the era of one of the greatest of all time, and it doesn't mean that he can't one day reach that level.

00:42:16.000 No.

00:42:16.000 He's still young.

00:42:17.000 It's the most competitive fights I've ever seen Usman in.

00:42:20.000 100%.

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:21.000 100% because Usman just, I mean, look what he did to Masvidal.

00:42:24.000 Yeah.

00:42:25.000 He sent him to the Dark Lands.

00:42:26.000 Yeah.

00:42:27.000 Sent him to the Shadow Realm.

00:42:28.000 And then did you see Usman at the Lost Fight with his red leather jacket and no shirt?

00:42:32.000 It's like, baller.

00:42:35.000 Well, he's like, you know, if you want to make some noise and get some attention.

00:42:39.000 That's how you do it.

00:42:40.000 Well, he's trying to get that Canelo fight.

00:42:41.000 I know.

00:42:42.000 He wants that big, big money.

00:42:43.000 And maybe Canelo will fight him.

00:42:45.000 Just keep him on salads.

00:42:46.000 Keep him on salads.

00:42:48.000 He's got a pretty good shot.

00:42:50.000 Keep him on salads! 0.55

00:42:52.000 I wonder if he'll change his diet, because they were actually talking about that in the broadcast.

00:42:56.000 They were saying he seems a little lackadaisical, a little lackluster, I wonder if it's his diet.

00:43:03.000 I don't know.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, after the fight they were talking about the diet.

00:43:06.000 It's like, I don't know, you know?

00:43:08.000 I know.

00:43:09.000 It's like I never want to say that it won't work for you, because there's people out there that I know that are vegan that thrive, and they don't have any problem with it.

00:43:18.000 But I don't know how they would do if they ate meat. 0.75

00:43:20.000 I mean, maybe they're just fucking unbelievably savage, and if they ate meat, they'd be even better. 0.98

00:43:25.000 But if you give them vegetables, they'd still kill it. 0.99

00:43:27.000 His quote on it says that sometimes he eats meat, still.

00:43:31.000 Oh, I'm not very complicated when it comes to food.

00:43:34.000 I adapt a lot.

00:43:35.000 I adapt quickly.

00:43:36.000 Canelo told ESPN. It's not something I did all of a sudden that I left what I ate before from one day to the next.

00:43:43.000 All week I try to eat what is vegan and if one day I eat something else, meat, chicken, whatever, I eat it, there is no problem.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, I don't know what that means really, but that's what he said in response.

00:43:54.000 But that's not, if you're an athlete that is eating for performance, like say if you went to...

00:44:00.000 That's the opposite of me.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, if you went to Mike Dolce or George Lockhart or one of those guys, that is not how they would tell you to eat.

00:44:08.000 They would prescribe a specific amount of protein, specific amount of carbohydrates based on your weight.

00:44:14.000 I mean, they're not saying like, sometimes I eat this and sometimes I eat that. 0.99

00:44:18.000 I think what's going on is Canelo is so fucking good that he can get away with eating squash and tomatoes and still fuck you up because he's so goddamn good. 0.99

00:44:30.000 He's been amazing. 0.99

00:44:31.000 He's amazing.

00:44:32.000 And just the fact that he went all the way up to 75, fought Bival, went to the decision, lost the decision, but was never in real trouble, was never rocked or dropped or anything like that.

00:44:44.000 And he's fighting two weight classes above his natural weight class.

00:44:48.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:44:49.000 Yeah, it is.

00:44:50.000 He's an amazing fighter.

00:44:51.000 He's amazing.

00:44:52.000 He's one of the greatest of all time, which is why he's willing to take that chance and go up to 175 pounds.

00:44:58.000 But in my mind, if you are...

00:45:01.000 Athlete, especially if you're in a combat sport, you need to have everything dialed in.

00:45:07.000 Your recovery.

00:45:08.000 You need to be doing a sauna every day.

00:45:10.000 Ice bath.

00:45:11.000 You need to be eating all the right food, drinking all the white water.

00:45:14.000 They should hydration test you every day.

00:45:16.000 You got hundreds of millions of dollars on the line.

00:45:19.000 That's Canelo Alvarez!

00:45:21.000 I know. 1.00

00:45:22.000 He shouldn't be eating fucking plants. 1.00

00:45:24.000 What the fuck are you doing, bro? 1.00

00:45:25.000 You're eating celery? 1.00

00:45:26.000 We gotta get a steak in you. 1.00

00:45:28.000 Yeah, well, that's what I was saying.

00:45:30.000 His approach where he'll eat greens and salads most of the time and every once in a while have meat, I do all meat and every once in a while have a salad.

00:45:38.000 You know, when Mike Tyson was in here, he was thanking me for turning him on to Wild Game.

00:45:42.000 Really?

00:45:42.000 Yes.

00:45:43.000 He's been getting Wild Game?

00:45:44.000 Yes.

00:45:46.000 I offered to get him some elk, but I never got it to him.

00:45:49.000 We never connected after that.

00:45:50.000 But he went to somewhere and got a lot of bison. 0.98

00:45:54.000 He was eating a lot of bison before he started training again.

00:45:58.000 He's like, oh my god, it made such a difference.

00:46:00.000 He thanked me during the last podcast, returning on, because I'm always talking about wild game.

00:46:04.000 And he's like, it made a big difference.

00:46:05.000 That's what I eat now, it's wild game. 0.98

00:46:06.000 So if Mike Tyson says that, I'd fucking listen. 0.98

00:46:10.000 Yeah, no kidding. 0.98

00:46:11.000 If Mike Tyson, at 55 years of age, who looks that damn good, which is incredible.

00:46:16.000 I'm addicted to still his old footage of his fights and the one where he's in the ring and he's talking about, you know...

00:46:24.000 I'm Alexander the Great.

00:46:25.000 Yes.

00:46:26.000 I need your children.

00:46:27.000 I know.

00:46:28.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:46:31.000 Yeah.

00:46:31.000 And then I think he ends it with, praise be to Allah.

00:46:33.000 Yes!

00:46:34.000 It's like, wait, what?

00:46:36.000 Dude, in his prime, he was like no one else.

00:46:39.000 I know.

00:46:40.000 He changed boxing.

00:46:41.000 He changed boxing.

00:46:42.000 I still watch, I mean, still, I watch him just like I've never seen him.

00:46:45.000 Seen him a thousand times.

00:46:46.000 I watched the Botha fight the other day.

00:46:49.000 I watched it the other day.

00:46:50.000 He knocked Botha out.

00:46:52.000 I watched that fight. 0.99

00:46:53.000 And then after I watched that fight, I watched the, who was the fucking Polish dude that he fucked up? 1.00

00:46:59.000 Gulotta. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Andrew Gulotta.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, I watched that fight, too. 1.00

00:47:04.000 Fuck, man, he was good. 1.00

00:47:06.000 Yeah, so much power. 1.00

00:47:07.000 He was so good.

00:47:08.000 It wasn't just power, man.

00:47:09.000 It was bobbing and weaving and inside on you.

00:47:12.000 His head would go so low sometimes when he'd go down.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:17.000 I mean...

00:47:17.000 He's like at knee level.

00:47:19.000 Yes.

00:47:19.000 And guys are like trying to hit him.

00:47:20.000 And then he leaps up and smashes you with a left hook. 0.94

00:47:23.000 God.

00:47:23.000 During his time, man, when we were kids, because you and I are the same age, and when Tyson was at that run, when he was the heavyweight champion in the beginning, It was when he knocked out Ferguson and he won the title, youngest heavyweight champion ever at 20 years of age, and then just smashed everybody.

00:47:39.000 Every fight was like, you weren't doing anything when Mike Tyson fought.

00:47:43.000 You were gonna watch Mike Tyson fights.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, it was a weird, where you wanted to see him fight, but then you also wanted it like some devastating knockout in the first round.

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:52.000 It's like, so how can you have both?

00:47:53.000 How can you see a great fight where you get to see him for maybe a half hour if it's 10 rounds?

00:47:57.000 Right.

00:47:58.000 Or something just, oh!

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 It's really hard to pick which one.

00:48:03.000 Well, people would not buy the pay-per-view because they didn't want to spend money on a 30-second fight.

00:48:07.000 Yeah.

00:48:07.000 Like, I'm not going to buy that pay-per-view.

00:48:09.000 I'm like, listen, man, it's going to be wild.

00:48:12.000 They're going to play it back 30 times in a row.

00:48:14.000 You're going to be jumping around.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:17.000 Like the Spinks fight when you fought Michael Spinks. 0.93

00:48:19.000 Yeah.

00:48:20.000 God, he was good.

00:48:21.000 I know.

00:48:22.000 It was just...

00:48:22.000 But athletes of that level, when you're at that level, I mean, it's like...

00:48:27.000 I feel like with Mike Tyson, obviously he was a heavyweight, and diet is not a concern in terms of making a specific weight.

00:48:36.000 He just wanted to be at his prime.

00:48:38.000 But Mike Tyson always ate meat.

00:48:39.000 He always ate meat.

00:48:40.000 But he didn't eat wild game until after his career was over, and then he started coming back again.

00:48:47.000 Could you imagine if in his prime, wild game?

00:48:50.000 Oh my god.

00:48:51.000 That would be probably a big talking point in the broadcast, like what he ate.

00:48:56.000 How sick would that be?

00:48:56.000 If he was just smashing people, eating only like elk meat.

00:48:59.000 Oh my god, that would have been awesome.

00:49:01.000 He probably would have been better, which is so scary.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:03.000 He was like a perfect storm.

00:49:05.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 A perfect storm of a young kid who was raised in a horrible environment, had no love.

00:49:14.000 It was just terrible, terrible, until he was adopted by a real wizard in Cus DeMoto.

00:49:21.000 I mean, Cus DeMoto was a genius when it came to boxing and also a hypnotist. 0.98

00:49:25.000 So he takes this guy who's, who the fuck is 13 years old and weighs 190 pounds? 0.98

00:49:31.000 Mike Tyson. 1.00

00:49:31.000 Yeah, just a freak. 1.00

00:49:32.000 So, freak genetics, and then also freak mind.

00:49:36.000 You know, people don't appreciate how intelligent Tyson is.

00:49:40.000 I mean, he doesn't have a PhD, he didn't spend a lot of time in college, but that doesn't mean his mind doesn't function at a very high level.

00:49:46.000 In order to be able to navigate the waters of being in a fight with Larry Holmes, and be able to figure out how to get to Larry Holmes' chin, Boom! 0.98

00:49:56.000 That is fucking complicated. 0.98

00:49:58.000 It's way more complicated than people think it is. 0.99

00:50:00.000 And it's also all the other stuff that he was into.

00:50:03.000 He's into history and conquerors.

00:50:06.000 He could talk to you forever about Genghis Khan and all these warriors that lived before.

00:50:11.000 He studied all that stuff.

00:50:13.000 He's not...

00:50:14.000 He's not a simple man.

00:50:16.000 He's very complex.

00:50:17.000 Don't you think that also went into his mindset?

00:50:19.000 Like studying that and those people and knowing what it meant to be like a great warrior fighter?

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:25.000 I mean, I think he took that with him in the ring in some ways.

00:50:28.000 For sure.

00:50:28.000 And also, it was a singular focus.

00:50:31.000 That's all he did.

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:32.000 All he did when he lived in the Catskills, which is like, there's nothing to do up there.

00:50:36.000 So all he would do is like watch fight tapes when he wasn't training, eat and sleep.

00:50:40.000 Yeah.

00:50:42.000 When your tunnel visioned on something, and you got that talent, and then that mindset, it's just so rare.

00:50:49.000 It's so rare, and there's not a lot of people that can keep it up.

00:50:54.000 He kept it up for years, and eventually he lost the desire and the hunger, and then he wound up retiring after the Kevin McBride fight.

00:51:03.000 But it's just, I think...

00:51:05.000 You gotta look at him for when he was at his peak.

00:51:08.000 People always look at guys like what happened when they kind of fell off.

00:51:12.000 I talked with BJ Penn about that when he was on the podcast.

00:51:17.000 And I'm like, you can't look at the bad performances.

00:51:19.000 They had bad performances later in their career like BJ did, but if you look at BJ Penn when he was in his prime, my God.

00:51:26.000 My God, he was incredible.

00:51:28.000 When he was in his prime, BJ Penn was one of the greatest of all time.

00:51:31.000 The prodigy?

00:51:33.000 Yeah.

00:51:33.000 How do you get that name?

00:51:34.000 That's how he got it.

00:51:35.000 Yeah.

00:51:35.000 I mean, because you're incredible.

00:51:38.000 I was there.

00:51:39.000 I was there for the early BJ days. 0.98

00:51:41.000 He was something nuts. 0.85

00:51:43.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:51:43.000 And he just had this psychotic focus, you know, and he would come out to that song crazy. 0.97

00:51:49.000 Mm-hmm.

00:51:52.000 He'd come out and just like this look on his face and he'd be pacing in the corner and it was hell.

00:51:57.000 The moment that bell rang, he was bringing hell.

00:51:59.000 He was amazing.

00:52:01.000 But again, it's like, how long can you do that?

00:52:04.000 Most people can't do that for very long.

00:52:06.000 Your body breaks, your willpower breaks.

00:52:09.000 Just to maintain the kind of camp that you have to have, to be in the kind of condition that you have to be, to be able to fight five rounds.

00:52:17.000 So that's why, like, when it comes to a guy like Kamaru Usman, when he says he wants to fight Canelo Alvarez, and I'm like, give him the money.

00:52:25.000 Give him the fight.

00:52:26.000 Because it's like, if Canelo wants to do it, and he wants to do it, and people are like, well, that won't be competitive.

00:52:30.000 I'm like, let's see.

00:52:32.000 But my point is, like, First of all, who knows?

00:52:36.000 Because he's that good at MMA. Who knows what he could put together if he only boxed?

00:52:41.000 Who knows?

00:52:42.000 Because it's a special kind of athlete that can be that good at anything, as good as he is at MMA. I'm not saying he's at Canelo's level boxing.

00:52:50.000 I'm not.

00:52:50.000 He's not.

00:52:52.000 Canelo's the best in the world.

00:52:53.000 Maybe one of the best of all time. 0.99

00:52:54.000 But let's fucking watch that. 0.98

00:52:56.000 It's the same logic as with Tyson Fury and... 0.99

00:53:00.000 And Francis and God.

00:53:01.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 I mean, same allure to that.

00:53:04.000 Yeah, but they're doing that with little gloves.

00:53:07.000 Oh, four-ounce gloves.

00:53:08.000 Yeah.

00:53:09.000 They're going to fight with little MMA gloves.

00:53:13.000 But boxing.

00:53:14.000 Yes.

00:53:15.000 It's a hybrid-type fight.

00:53:17.000 They're going to fight with little gloves, boxing.

00:53:20.000 How much damage is that going to cause them?

00:53:22.000 I mean...

00:53:24.000 It's all whether or not Francis can get close to Tyson and land shots.

00:53:30.000 Right.

00:53:31.000 Because Tyson Fury is so good.

00:53:33.000 That reach.

00:53:34.000 And he's so skilled at boxing.

00:53:36.000 He's also got this style. 1.00

00:53:37.000 This fucking herky-jerky style. 1.00

00:53:40.000 Right. 1.00

00:53:41.000 If you're not used to that, you're like, hey, what the hell? 0.63

00:53:43.000 He moves like a little guy.

00:53:44.000 Yeah.

00:53:44.000 I mean, he's so smooth for as big as he is.

00:53:47.000 6'9".

00:53:48.000 6'9".

00:53:49.000 That's a big man.

00:53:51.000 He's amazing.

00:53:52.000 That's a big man.

00:53:53.000 And he did something very clever after the Dillian White fight.

00:53:57.000 He said he's retiring, so he's going to give up all his belts.

00:54:01.000 So if he fights Francis Ngannou, he's not fighting for any belt, so he doesn't have to give any of those sanctioning bodies any money.

00:54:08.000 Ooh, that's smart.

00:54:09.000 Yes, that's what he did.

00:54:11.000 See, this is them together. 0.99

00:54:12.000 And he also asked Francis if he had a giant cock, which is, I'll answer that. 0.99

00:54:18.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:54:20.000 Even if he's got a regular cock for his size body. 0.99

00:54:23.000 I didn't know he was that tall, Francis. 0.98

00:54:25.000 Well, he doesn't have, I mean, Tyson has no shoes on.

00:54:29.000 Or no, he has boxing shoes on, which are very thin.

00:54:32.000 And I don't know what Francis is wearing, but Francis is a good solid 6'6".

00:54:37.000 Isn't he?

00:54:38.000 How tall is Francis?

00:54:39.000 6'5", 6'6"?

00:54:41.000 I don't know.

00:54:41.000 He looks...

00:54:42.000 He's, uh...

00:54:43.000 He looks big.

00:54:44.000 But Francis is, you know, he's walking around 275 natural.

00:54:48.000 Yeah.

00:54:48.000 I mean, he's an enormous, enormous man.

00:54:50.000 6'4", it says.

00:54:51.000 Yeah, see, he looks bigger.

00:54:52.000 He does look bigger.

00:54:53.000 Tyson was 6'9".

00:54:54.000 Maybe he lied about his size.

00:54:55.000 Just a...

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:57.000 6'4".

00:54:58.000 He's like 6'6", 6'7".

00:55:00.000 I know.

00:55:00.000 He looks giant.

00:55:02.000 Well, he's a terrifying man.

00:55:04.000 He's terrifying.

00:55:05.000 Have you had him on here?

00:55:06.000 Yeah.

00:55:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:55:07.000 Oh, my God.

00:55:07.000 He has the best story ever.

00:55:08.000 His story about leaving Cameroon, escaping Cameroon and getting to France, he told that story, and it was a long story.

00:55:15.000 He goes into detail about it.

00:55:17.000 It's nail-biting.

00:55:18.000 You can't...

00:55:20.000 What he did, they arrested him seven times as he was trying to make his way over to Europe.

00:55:25.000 And every time they'd arrest him, they'd take him to the desert and drop him off.

00:55:28.000 That's right, yeah.

00:55:29.000 Like literally leave him there to die.

00:55:31.000 I knew of his story.

00:55:33.000 I couldn't remember where I'd heard it or...

00:55:35.000 Why I knew, but that's right.

00:55:36.000 And every time he made it back, he tried again.

00:55:39.000 Every time he made it back, he tried again.

00:55:41.000 So when that guy enters into the octagon, there's a determination that that guy possesses.

00:55:46.000 Yeah, he's overcome.

00:55:47.000 He's overcome everything.

00:55:49.000 He's overcome everything.

00:55:50.000 Or a fight, that's a snapshot in time.

00:55:54.000 He's had to fight for his life, basically.

00:55:58.000 Well, the crazy thing is he fought Cyril Gaon with a completely blown out knee.

00:56:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:03.000 His knee was fucked going into that fight. 0.99

00:56:04.000 And he wasn't going to cancel the fight. 0.99

00:56:06.000 Against one of the most difficult challengers he's ever faced.

00:56:11.000 Cyril Gaon is a guy who, first of all, sparred with him, so he knew him really well.

00:56:14.000 He was an enormous guy.

00:56:15.000 Cyril Gaon is also 6'4", Athletic.

00:56:19.000 Super athletic.

00:56:20.000 Very quick for a heavyweight.

00:56:21.000 Yeah.

00:56:22.000 And very technical in his striking.

00:56:24.000 His striking is very skillful.

00:56:26.000 Yeah.

00:56:26.000 And Francis just switched it up on him, used his wrestling, took him down, beat him up.

00:56:32.000 He did.

00:56:33.000 Maintained the title.

00:56:34.000 It was impressive stuff, man.

00:56:35.000 And the thing about him is there's not a lot of compelling fights for him in the heavyweight division in the UFC. Where you want to say, like, ooh, I can't wait to see that fight.

00:56:47.000 You know?

00:56:48.000 It's like, who's the big fight that stands out for Francis Ngannou in the UFC's heavyweight division?

00:56:55.000 Jon Jones!

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 You know, that's the big one.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, if he comes back.

00:56:59.000 There is a lot of talk of John coming back against Stipe.

00:57:02.000 And I'm very curious to see if that actually comes to fruition.

00:57:05.000 Me too.

00:57:06.000 Is there any announcement of that?

00:57:08.000 There isn't an announcement, right?

00:57:10.000 No.

00:57:11.000 They're talking about...

00:57:11.000 September, I thought.

00:57:13.000 Didn't I hear that?

00:57:15.000 Like, Stipe wasn't going to be ready until September.

00:57:17.000 I wonder why.

00:57:19.000 I wonder why he needs until September.

00:57:21.000 I mean, it's...

00:57:21.000 It's May.

00:57:25.000 I wonder why he needs four months.

00:57:26.000 Because he hasn't fought in forever.

00:57:28.000 I know.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, it's been a while.

00:57:30.000 I wonder what that is.

00:57:31.000 Maybe he's recovering from an injury or something like that.

00:57:33.000 Or he just wants to be, you know, sometimes it's like, when am I going to be at my best?

00:57:38.000 Yeah.

00:57:38.000 You know, maybe it's a longer camp.

00:57:40.000 You know, he's going to fight Jon Jones.

00:57:42.000 There was also talk of Stipe fighting Tai Tuivasa.

00:57:46.000 I don't know if that was real.

00:57:47.000 I think they do have another fight now for Tai Tuivasa, though.

00:57:52.000 Who is, uh, boy, you want to talk about a character.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, I know.

00:57:57.000 Drinks beer out of your shoe.

00:57:58.000 Yeah, that's turned into a thing now.

00:58:00.000 I see other fighters doing it.

00:58:02.000 He tried to drink beer out of my shoe.

00:58:04.000 Did he?

00:58:04.000 When I was interviewing him after the fight, he goes, Joe, can I drink beer out of your shoe?

00:58:07.000 I'm like, no!

00:58:08.000 That's disgusting!

00:58:09.000 I'm going to put that back on. 0.72

00:58:10.000 Put a wet shoe on. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Fuck out of here, bro. 1.00

00:58:13.000 I love him. 1.00

00:58:14.000 I love him to death.

00:58:15.000 Yeah, his attitude's infectious, for sure.

00:58:18.000 Also, his skill level has increased by leaps and bounds.

00:58:23.000 And the fact that he took out Derek Lewis like that.

00:58:25.000 I know.

00:58:26.000 In Houston.

00:58:27.000 And Derek Lewis is the biggest power puncher in the history of the heavyweight division.

00:58:31.000 He's knocked out more guys than anyone in the history of the heavyweight division.

00:58:34.000 And he rocked them.

00:58:36.000 He did.

00:58:36.000 And he took it.

00:58:37.000 Had him in real trouble.

00:58:38.000 And Ty came back swinging.

00:58:41.000 That's pretty amazing.

00:58:42.000 Is there a fight scheduled for him?

00:58:44.000 I just looked them up.

00:58:46.000 I'm not seeing anything.

00:58:48.000 I think they had something that they were talking about.

00:58:52.000 It might be Rosenstreich, which is good for them.

00:58:54.000 Cyril Ghosn.

00:58:55.000 That's it.

00:58:56.000 Ooh.

00:58:58.000 So if they're smart, that's what they do.

00:59:02.000 Well, also it's like Francis just had major knee surgery, right?

00:59:06.000 So he had ligaments reconstructed, and that was just about...

00:59:12.000 Month and a half, two months ago? 0.99

00:59:14.000 That shit takes nine plus months to really heal up. 0.99

00:59:18.000 And then if he really wants to give it the right amount of time, he needs another three after that to work his way back into shape and get to the point where he can... 0.99

00:59:28.000 Francis, you're talking?

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 Yeah, but he wants to box, I think.

00:59:31.000 Doesn't he want to let his contract run out and box or what?

00:59:35.000 Well, the UFC might go in on it.

00:59:36.000 Oh, I see.

00:59:37.000 I think the UFC, first of all, he's immensely marketable as a heavyweight champion.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:44.000 He's an incredible fighter.

00:59:45.000 Yeah.

00:59:45.000 If they're smart, and they are, I think they'll make a Conor McGregor type deal with him.

00:59:50.000 Okay.

00:59:50.000 Where, you know, they co-promoted the Conor McGregor's Floyd Mayweather fight.

00:59:54.000 So they'll probably co-promote this and then make something with him and Fury.

00:59:59.000 In Africa. 0.56

01:00:00.000 What are you doing?

01:00:01.000 Oh my God.

01:00:02.000 What are you doing?

01:00:03.000 Yeah, sign him, put him in Africa. 1.00

01:00:06.000 It's a huge fight.

01:00:07.000 What if they both get malaria?

01:00:08.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 I don't know.

01:00:11.000 But it'd be a hell of a fight.

01:00:12.000 Because they'd be equal then if they both had malaria.

01:00:17.000 Like, if they did fight in Africa, I wonder where they would do it.

01:00:21.000 I wonder where they would do it, like Rumble in the Jungle, right where they're...

01:00:23.000 I know.

01:00:23.000 Where Ali fought.

01:00:24.000 Yeah, I mean, something of their...

01:00:26.000 It would be insane.

01:00:27.000 They could probably get a million people there.

01:00:30.000 Yeah.

01:00:31.000 I mean, you gotta do that.

01:00:32.000 Yeah.

01:00:33.000 That would be incredible.

01:00:34.000 If he fought in...

01:00:36.000 I mean, Cameroon has a venue.

01:00:39.000 Probably not.

01:00:40.000 It's not just that.

01:00:41.000 It's also like you have to have a fighter hotel where all the fighters can stay and you'd have to have world-class facilities you don't train at.

01:00:49.000 I don't know.

01:00:50.000 I mean, South Africa's, you know, probably, they probably have that.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I'm sure they do in South Africa.

01:00:57.000 Cape Town.

01:00:57.000 Yeah.

01:00:58.000 So...

01:00:58.000 But I would want to do it where Francis is from.

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 Oh, that'd be ideal.

01:01:04.000 Yeah.

01:01:04.000 Oh, it'd be...

01:01:05.000 I couldn't imagine that environment.

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:07.000 They might want to build a hotel for that.

01:01:09.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 You know how the Olympics, they go in and they rebuild the whole city?

01:01:13.000 Yep.

01:01:13.000 I mean, you'd have to do it.

01:01:15.000 It would be the biggest spectacle.

01:01:16.000 It would be a crazy fight.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:18.000 He deserves it.

01:01:19.000 He does.

01:01:20.000 They both deserve it. 1.00

01:01:21.000 Shit, what he came, you know, how to get out of there and what he's made of his life. 1.00

01:01:25.000 It's amazing. 1.00

01:01:26.000 I mean, he should have wrote a chapter in Endure.

01:01:29.000 He's going to write his own book, I'm sure.

01:01:31.000 Yeah, no kidding.

01:01:32.000 That story that he told in my podcast was insane.

01:01:34.000 And I'm sure there's many, many layers to that story.

01:01:36.000 I'm sure there's many stories that he just couldn't get into because he's trying to just get to the point.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 Yeah.

01:01:46.000 I mean, I couldn't imagine going through that every day, what he thought about or what the mindset was.

01:01:52.000 The thing is, he got through and he's so nice.

01:01:55.000 When you're around Francis, he's so gentle and nice.

01:01:58.000 He's such a friendly guy.

01:01:59.000 He's always smiling.

01:02:01.000 He's really nice.

01:02:03.000 Until you get locked in that cage with him.

01:02:05.000 God.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:07.000 See, he's different because like Mike Tyson, I never heard anybody say how nice he was.

01:02:14.000 No.

01:02:15.000 It's just intimidation.

01:02:16.000 Yeah.

01:02:16.000 It's terrifying.

01:02:17.000 Just scary.

01:02:18.000 Yeah.

01:02:18.000 Even you sitting across the table, I remember you said that like a few years ago when he was on here.

01:02:23.000 I changed the size of my table because of him.

01:02:26.000 Yeah, it was a little too close.

01:02:27.000 Yeah.

01:02:28.000 Well, what happened was we had the same size table, but I was thinking about making the table smaller.

01:02:33.000 Then after doing the podcast with him, I was like, I don't want to be any closer to him.

01:02:36.000 I'm scared.

01:02:40.000 But that's when he was getting ramped up to fight Roy Jones.

01:02:42.000 It was funny because after he left, I turned to Jamie, and Jamie was like, that's a totally different person.

01:02:47.000 Because we had him on, it was like 10 months prior to that, and he was a super mellow stoner.

01:02:54.000 He'd been smoking a lot of weed.

01:02:56.000 He wasn't even working out.

01:02:57.000 And I asked him, I go, why do you not work out?

01:03:00.000 And he goes, I don't want to reignite my ego.

01:03:03.000 That's what he said.

01:03:04.000 And man, it was that prophetic.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, because then he did.

01:03:08.000 Well, you've got to imagine.

01:03:10.000 There's memories in that man's brain of just being the ultimate conqueror.

01:03:14.000 Yeah.

01:03:16.000 Competition is hard to walk away from anyway, let alone if you're Mike Tyson.

01:03:20.000 And it's also like when he would hit those pads, you could see him recreating it in his mind.

01:03:26.000 Like thinking about what it was like when he was at his best.

01:03:29.000 Yeah, he did that on the plane with that kid that was bugging him.

01:03:33.000 They're not pressing charges.

01:03:35.000 That's one good thing about Los Angeles, lax district attorney, the way they're handling violence. 1.00

01:03:42.000 They're like, eh, fuck that guy. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Well, and obviously he deserved it. 1.00

01:03:47.000 He deserved it.

01:03:48.000 So they're saving the taxpayers a lot of money.

01:03:50.000 Yeah, and the guy had a lengthy criminal history.

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:56.000 Not a good guy.

01:03:56.000 Oh, really?

01:03:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:03:58.000 The guy was a criminal.

01:03:59.000 The guy was in and out of jail. 0.99

01:04:01.000 Dirtbag and irritating. 0.99

01:04:02.000 Dirtbag, irritating jailbird who was drunk. 0.99

01:04:05.000 Not a good combination. 0.65

01:04:07.000 Fate put him on that flight right behind Mike Tyson.

01:04:10.000 That's what happened. 0.97

01:04:12.000 Fate wanted him to get fucking mollywhopped in front of the whole world. 0.98

01:04:16.000 And Tyson just hit him a few times. 0.99

01:04:17.000 I know.

01:04:18.000 Kind of gentle. 0.76

01:04:19.000 Yeah, but it would have been scary as hell to have Tyson leaning over his seat, punching you. 0.55

01:04:24.000 I know.

01:04:25.000 Imagine?

01:04:26.000 God. 1.00

01:04:27.000 If Tyson wanted to, he would have got out of his seat and come over to him, and then the guy would have been fucked. 0.99

01:04:32.000 I'm surprised he didn't grab him by his neck and haul him over. 0.99

01:04:35.000 Yeah, right?

01:04:36.000 Can you imagine if Mike Tyson beat a guy to death on a plane?

01:04:41.000 You almost saw it.

01:04:43.000 Can you imagine?

01:04:44.000 Oh my god.

01:04:44.000 Plus, he was on mushrooms, I think.

01:04:46.000 He was definitely high as fuck. 0.99

01:04:47.000 He was coming from some crazy cannabis event. 1.00

01:04:49.000 And then he went somewhere, like Florida.

01:04:54.000 I thought he was going there or maybe coming from, but yeah.

01:04:56.000 I remember I read that.

01:04:58.000 Yeah.

01:04:59.000 I'm addicted to these fighter stories.

01:05:03.000 There's something to all these things that's connected, whether it's to you when you do these 240 mile runs, when you do these races, or when you prepare for mountain hunting.

01:05:16.000 There's something to all those things that's attractive to people, and that's one of the cool things about the title of your book, Endure.

01:05:23.000 Because it's a perfect title for what you stand for and what's so interesting about this because everybody knows how hard it is to endure.

01:05:32.000 It's really hard to push.

01:05:35.000 Like when you're tired and it's like these little creeping thoughts in your head of like, just quit now.

01:05:41.000 Just take a break.

01:05:41.000 Let's just get some water.

01:05:43.000 Let's take a shit. 1.00

01:05:44.000 Let's do something. 1.00

01:05:44.000 And you got to say no, but you don't just got to say no now. 1.00

01:05:48.000 You have to say no three seconds from now.

01:05:50.000 You have to say no an hour from now.

01:05:52.000 You have to say no and keep saying no over and over again.

01:05:56.000 And then you have to do it every day for your whole life.

01:05:59.000 That's the secret to the Cam Haines story is that you just figured out a way.

01:06:05.000 I don't know what it is, but you figured out a way to push hard every day no matter what.

01:06:10.000 Right.

01:06:11.000 And that, I mean, the whole point to the book, I didn't have this big dream to write a book.

01:06:17.000 Esther, my book agent, she was, heard the story and knew of me and thought that, you know, we could get this out there.

01:06:24.000 And I'm just like...

01:06:25.000 Kind of a willing participant, but I wasn't seeking it out.

01:06:29.000 But the whole point to it is just to show people what is possible.

01:06:34.000 Because I always say, if I did it, anybody can do it.

01:06:37.000 But it takes that, like what you said, that enduring every day.

01:06:41.000 And there's going to be things that come up.

01:06:42.000 There's going to be challenges.

01:06:43.000 There's going to be people.

01:06:44.000 Your life is going to feel terrible.

01:06:46.000 You're going to feel like you're alone.

01:06:48.000 All this.

01:06:49.000 But you keep working.

01:06:51.000 Keep pushing.

01:06:52.000 Keep pushing.

01:06:53.000 And anybody can make it out.

01:06:55.000 That's what's so hard about it, though, is that it never ends.

01:07:00.000 And the thing that's so interesting about people like yourself that do these ultramarathon races and that run so often and put in so many miles is that no one wants to do that.

01:07:14.000 Like, I don't even think you want to do it.

01:07:16.000 You do it because you know it has to be done.

01:07:19.000 But I guarantee you there's times where you don't want to do it.

01:07:23.000 There's a...

01:07:24.000 I mean...

01:07:25.000 How much of the time when you run do you not want to run?

01:07:30.000 I don't know.

01:07:31.000 It depends on the day.

01:07:33.000 Because, as you said, we're the same age, so I'm banged up.

01:07:37.000 So there's some days where every mile, a half mile is hard.

01:07:41.000 And it hurts.

01:07:42.000 And I'm like, this is terrible.

01:07:44.000 Then there's those special days where everything's clicking.

01:07:47.000 And I'm running free.

01:07:50.000 And I'm running to the mountain.

01:07:51.000 I can see the mountain across town that I run to.

01:07:53.000 It's kind of flat where I live, but the mountain rises up.

01:07:57.000 And I can see it.

01:07:58.000 And I'm like, that's where I'm going.

01:08:00.000 That's my goal.

01:08:01.000 And it's almost this microcosm of life.

01:08:03.000 It's like, well, what's your goal?

01:08:05.000 And so my goal has always been just to keep pushing.

01:08:08.000 And this bowhunting thing has always driven me.

01:08:10.000 And to be...

01:08:11.000 Be something I could be proud of.

01:08:13.000 And so that's been what I've been running towards.

01:08:16.000 And so days like that, it's like this is what I was born to do.

01:08:21.000 Well, you have a mindset.

01:08:23.000 It's like you're a very even guy.

01:08:25.000 Like you're even keeled.

01:08:27.000 I don't think I've ever seen you yell.

01:08:30.000 You know, I've known you for eight years.

01:08:31.000 Don't talk to my kids.

01:08:35.000 But you're very even-keeled.

01:08:38.000 And I think this mindset, this part of your personality, is also a part of the grind.

01:08:45.000 Don't get too down.

01:08:47.000 Don't get too up.

01:08:48.000 Keep going.

01:08:49.000 Keep going.

01:08:50.000 Keep going.

01:08:51.000 That's true.

01:08:52.000 And that's what I tell people all the time.

01:08:55.000 People get their hopes up for things.

01:08:57.000 I have.

01:08:57.000 People would tell me...

01:09:00.000 I don't know.

01:09:00.000 I have millions of stories about, oh, this is going to happen.

01:09:03.000 Even with this book, oh, you're going to make New York Times bestseller.

01:09:06.000 And to me, I'm just like, I doubt it.

01:09:09.000 So I doubt that that's going to happen because I've been through life so many times where I've been so disappointed and I got my hopes so far up.

01:09:16.000 I remember my first book, this book, I printed out 5,000 copies, went into debt, didn't have any money, $50,000 I had to spend.

01:09:25.000 And I had probably a couple hundred of my own, so I borrowed it from everybody.

01:09:30.000 And somebody said, oh, we're going to order 3,000 books.

01:09:32.000 And in my head, I'm like, 3,000 books?

01:09:35.000 Let's see, $20 a piece, you know, whatever, 600. I'm making all this money.

01:09:39.000 And then they said, oh, no, no, no.

01:09:41.000 Actually, we don't need that many.

01:09:42.000 How about just sending us a couple cases?

01:09:44.000 A couple cases from 3,000?

01:09:47.000 I mean, and so I had been so...

01:09:51.000 I was like, I made it.

01:09:52.000 I did it.

01:09:53.000 And then it's like, no, actually, no, you didn't do anything.

01:09:56.000 And so I had those books for years, moved them.

01:09:59.000 We moved houses, and I had to move cases of books out of this spare bedroom.

01:10:05.000 And so from lessons like that, the sponsors would tell me, oh, we're going to take you to Africa.

01:10:09.000 You want to do this, do this, and this.

01:10:10.000 Never happened.

01:10:11.000 Never came through.

01:10:14.000 So it's like now, I'm just like, no.

01:10:16.000 I mean, you know, My life from this decision isn't going to be over.

01:10:21.000 My life isn't going to change and it's going to be great.

01:10:24.000 It's probably just going to be somewhere in the middle.

01:10:25.000 And in the middle, I'm just going to have to keep working.

01:10:28.000 Is it better?

01:10:29.000 Is it better that you had to be let down?

01:10:32.000 Because you never lost your discipline.

01:10:35.000 Even though the excitement of these big moments didn't happen, you kept hammering, you kept grinding, and then ultimately did reach incredible levels of success.

01:10:48.000 But it's through this constant, repetitive work ethic and enduring, yeah.

01:10:56.000 Yeah, I mean, it's...

01:10:57.000 I don't know.

01:10:58.000 I still don't feel like I have the answer.

01:11:00.000 I mean, yeah, I wrote a book.

01:11:02.000 So I told my story.

01:11:03.000 Everybody has their story.

01:11:05.000 And a lot of people think that their story is worthy of a book, probably.

01:11:08.000 I told my story because I just want...

01:11:10.000 If somebody was like me, their dad wasn't around, their alcoholism in their family, they feel no confidence.

01:11:20.000 I didn't have anything going for me.

01:11:22.000 So there's people out there like that.

01:11:24.000 There's probably a lot of people like that.

01:11:25.000 A lot.

01:11:26.000 And so, just to give them hope, that's what the book's for.

01:11:29.000 Just to give the regular guy hope.

01:11:32.000 Is that something, because you do have a lot of fans, and you have a lot of interaction with fans online, and there's a lot of people, like, because I know because a lot of times people tag me and stuff that they send to you.

01:11:43.000 Does that motivate you, knowing that these people look up to you and that they admire your discipline and it gives them inspiration?

01:11:52.000 Because it's one of the things that I think is very interesting about the internet.

01:11:56.000 There's never been, like, there's a lot of negative things about the internet, but the positives, in my opinion, greatly outweigh the negatives.

01:12:03.000 And one of the real positives is just the overall mountain of inspiration that's available to people right now.

01:12:12.000 There's so many.

01:12:13.000 There's Goggins and there's Jocko and there's you and then there's all these video clips that people put together and on any given day you could see something that gets you fired up and you want to do better.

01:12:24.000 You want to get your life together better.

01:12:26.000 Are you aware of the impact you have on other people and is that something that motivates you?

01:12:32.000 No.

01:12:32.000 I mean, I don't know what the impact is, but what motivates me is to not let people down, not let myself down, not let people down that I know people do look up to me.

01:12:43.000 It's hard to figure out why because, like I said, I still have a 9-to-5 job.

01:12:48.000 But that's part of the reason why they like you I still do all the normal things But I did I mentioned this the other day on a post because I posted back your original tweet to me in 2014 and You know this is like in what that was There's an example on so how social media can work and it can give somebody and I think I wrote in there that you know,

01:13:09.000 I was a guy with my head down Looking at the ground No reason really to raise up and have dreams.

01:13:18.000 I was just, this is what it's going to be.

01:13:20.000 I'm going to work here and I'm going to work in the woods in this small logging community and this is my life.

01:13:26.000 And then things happen and then all of a sudden you start, your gaze goes up and now you're on the horizon and you're like, hmm.

01:13:32.000 You know, because before...

01:13:34.000 My world, I lived 20 miles outside of Springfield, Eugene and Springfield, and a big trip would be like, hey, you want to head to town?

01:13:43.000 So my world was 20 miles.

01:13:46.000 It was from my small town to town, which is where a movie theater was, and that was...

01:13:51.000 So my world was 20 miles big.

01:13:54.000 And then you start looking up, and you're like, well, man, how about the mountains way over in eastern Oregon, Eagle Cap Wilderness?

01:14:03.000 Yeah.

01:14:04.000 That's more than 20 miles.

01:14:05.000 That's a whole other world.

01:14:06.000 And then you send a tweet like that and you say, hey, do you want to come to LA? And you want to talk about bowhunting and fitness.

01:14:13.000 And I'm like, man, this is a lot bigger than I thought it was.

01:14:18.000 And then all of a sudden, now you're looking at the mountaintops and you're like, I wonder what life is up there on top of that mountain.

01:14:24.000 And that's how it starts.

01:14:25.000 But it starts with this person who has no reason really to dream, no reason to be confident or to have anything, excited about anything, and you're just kind of walking with your head down.

01:14:36.000 And then through these little changes in this attitude, one person believing in you, one person doubting you, maybe that gives you fuel, and then all of a sudden that gaze starts raising.

01:14:44.000 And then now you have the biggest dreams in the world, and through some weird...

01:14:50.000 Endeavor like bow hunting from from small town guy I've been able to meet you athletes train with people on how I can be a better better a bow hunter from a logging town and it's like I trained with Olympians and it's like but it all starts with that that small little journey yeah and it's like so that's what I say if I did it who couldn't do it everybody could Yeah,

01:15:15.000 everybody can.

01:15:16.000 It's not like you're born a prince and they gave you a golden bow and gave you private archery lessons from the best coaches in the world.

01:15:23.000 No, you figured it out on your own.

01:15:27.000 You mentioned private archery lessons.

01:15:31.000 I was friends with Roy.

01:15:34.000 Roth, who was still the toughest man I've ever met.

01:15:38.000 Great in the mountains.

01:15:39.000 Learned so much from him.

01:15:40.000 And then Wayne, who owns a bow rack.

01:15:42.000 He, you know, amazing archer.

01:15:45.000 These were my friends.

01:15:47.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 So it's like, I got lucky.

01:15:50.000 I was just in San Diego yesterday, did Jocko's podcast, and I was down there running on the beach.

01:15:56.000 And I was thinking, what if I lived here?

01:15:59.000 What would I be?

01:16:01.000 There's no Roy.

01:16:02.000 There's no Wayne.

01:16:03.000 There's no the Bo-Rack. 1.00

01:16:05.000 Would I... Who would I have been?

01:16:07.000 It's an interesting question, right?

01:16:10.000 And I saw this kid, and he was fishing.

01:16:12.000 And he's fishing in the ocean there, just by himself.

01:16:15.000 And I was thinking, well, I wonder if...

01:16:18.000 I mean, maybe he's going to be something.

01:16:20.000 Maybe that's his thing.

01:16:21.000 Maybe because of that thing that he's doing by himself on a...

01:16:24.000 I think this was a Saturday...

01:16:27.000 Fishing by himself, maybe he has this big dream, and maybe that's gonna lead to something, but...

01:16:31.000 Isn't it also interesting that we think of someone becoming something, whereas what they're doing, more people know about it.

01:16:38.000 When more people know about what you're doing, then you're something.

01:16:42.000 Yeah.

01:16:43.000 It's weird, right?

01:16:44.000 It's a weird thing.

01:16:45.000 It's like accomplishing something is amazing.

01:16:50.000 But we want not only to accomplish something, but to be recognized and have an impact on people.

01:16:57.000 It's a significant part of why both of us do what we do.

01:17:01.000 I mean, if I did this podcast and nobody enjoyed it, I don't know if I'd keep doing it.

01:17:05.000 I think the only reason why I do it is that people like it.

01:17:09.000 And they give me money, obviously.

01:17:11.000 But the reason why they give me money is because people like it.

01:17:15.000 The real motivation is that I enjoy doing it, and then I also know that a lot of people respond to it, and they like it.

01:17:25.000 A lot of people listen.

01:17:26.000 So if you're doing your thing, whether it's bow hunting or that kid who's fishing, what if a lot of people were watching that kid fishing?

01:17:34.000 What if that kid is like this really motivational, inspirational fisherman?

01:17:37.000 It sounds crazy, but it also sounds crazy to be a motivational, inspirational bow hunter.

01:17:42.000 It does, yeah.

01:17:42.000 You've figured that out.

01:17:43.000 Right.

01:17:44.000 So it's like, what is...

01:17:45.000 It's like human...

01:17:47.000 Endeavors, whatever they are, like the human spirit, the whatever is in a person that makes them exceptional is expressed through so many different mediums.

01:17:58.000 It could be expressed through swimming.

01:18:00.000 It could be expressed through painting, whatever you're doing.

01:18:05.000 Poetry.

01:18:06.000 Anything, whatever you're doing.

01:18:07.000 But that thing we're trying to do is we're trying to affect people in a positive way.

01:18:13.000 We're trying to get people excited.

01:18:15.000 We're trying to like...

01:18:16.000 There's a thing that you get rewarded for, and that reward is to make people's lives better.

01:18:22.000 And sometimes you can make people's lives better just through your own personal effort, just through hard work and being an example.

01:18:31.000 And that example Fires people up and they get excited and some people get mad at you and they fuck and I know you respond to that and you get mad at haters But the reason why you have haters is because people are upset that you're getting attention and they feel like oh He's taking attention away from me.

01:18:46.000 It's just a weak minded perspective, but it's super super common well I mean, you're, as much as anybody, I mean, hunting and making in the, quote, industry is very competitive. 0.93

01:18:59.000 And then men have egos.

01:19:00.000 It's one of the biggest weaknesses we have is our ego, I think.

01:19:05.000 And so I would be, my attitude was, well, I need to win and there's no, if this guy's winning, he's taking from me, you know?

01:19:14.000 And so you were the one who kind of pulled the curtains back on that.

01:19:17.000 And that's what I wrote about in the book is that, you know, I can't remember how you said it, but you said there's enough cake for everyone.

01:19:23.000 And it was like, I had never thought that, well, if I win, they can win too, or if they win, I can win also.

01:19:30.000 I thought about it as one or the other.

01:19:32.000 And it's not.

01:19:33.000 Most people think like that.

01:19:35.000 Right.

01:19:35.000 That's not the case.

01:19:36.000 It's a famine mentality and it's bad for everybody.

01:19:39.000 It's bad for the person that thinks that way more than anybody.

01:19:42.000 It's way worse for them than even the person they hate on.

01:19:45.000 When someone hates on you, it gives you energy.

01:19:49.000 Like Goggins loves it.

01:19:51.000 He loves it. 1.00

01:19:52.000 I wish those motherfuckers would hate on me every day. 1.00

01:19:54.000 I read that bullshit. 1.00

01:19:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:56.000 He says he records them and then listens back. 1.00

01:20:00.000 He listens back and he loves it.

01:20:02.000 He's a different man.

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:04.000 He is a different kind of man.

01:20:05.000 I love that mentality though because that's what social media has shared, that mentality.

01:20:10.000 How would you know about that mentality?

01:20:11.000 Like where I grew up, we were 2A when I was there, but a small school, 100 kids.

01:20:17.000 Where are you going to be exposed to somebody with that mentality?

01:20:20.000 Right.

01:20:20.000 You're not.

01:20:21.000 You're not.

01:20:22.000 So if you make it out, it was just like kind of luck, kind of luck.

01:20:26.000 Who knows what happened?

01:20:27.000 You know, you've got a twist of fate worked your way. 0.98

01:20:30.000 Now, there's guys, and that's where social media, it's like, you can talk all the shit you want about it. 0.93

01:20:35.000 It's an amazing tool to enhance lives, if that's what you're looking for. 0.89

01:20:39.000 It's also an amazing, it exposes personality.

01:20:43.000 It exposes the way human psychology works.

01:20:47.000 And that's where the whole hater thing comes into perspective, because so many haters, like, they're The reason why they hate is so illogical, but it's really just when they feel bad because of other people's success, whether it's an athlete's success or a musician or an entertainer,

01:21:06.000 whatever it is that bothers them.

01:21:08.000 They feel bad because they haven't reached the same level of success this other person has, and they feel like it's unattainable, so they want to chop that person down to make the world fair.

01:21:20.000 What they don't understand, Is that that doesn't help anyone.

01:21:25.000 It doesn't help you, and if you're hating Goggins, it actually helps him, which is bad.

01:21:30.000 But for most people, it just makes them feel uncomfortable, and then they just don't want to listen to you anymore.

01:21:35.000 But it doesn't stop them from getting...

01:21:37.000 And also, it doesn't convince other people that you're correct. 1.00

01:21:41.000 You just seem like a bitch. 1.00

01:21:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:45.000 When you have all this hyperbole that you attach to, you know, like you exaggerate how bad a person is, everyone knows why you're doing it. 0.55

01:21:53.000 When they look at you and your life's a fucking disaster and you're hating on someone that's super successful, everybody knows but you. 0.81

01:22:00.000 You think you're tricking people. 0.99

01:22:02.000 You think you're so virtuous and so amazing and even though you haven't achieved any fucking success at all, you want to shit on this person and somehow or another it's going to knock that person. 0.99

01:22:11.000 You don't like them because they're killing it. 0.99

01:22:14.000 That's what it is.

01:22:15.000 Everyone knows but you. 1.00

01:22:16.000 Even your fucking wife knows. 1.00

01:22:17.000 You come home and bitch about some guy who's playing in the NFL. You don't think your wife knows? 1.00

01:22:22.000 Everybody knows.

01:22:24.000 And they should know, right?

01:22:25.000 When they look in the mirror, they gotta know.

01:22:27.000 But they haven't been taught.

01:22:28.000 That's what it is.

01:22:29.000 You have to be taught.

01:22:30.000 And you have to...

01:22:32.000 Look, I came from a martial arts background.

01:22:35.000 And when you come from a martial arts background, you must look at things for what they are or you get hurt.

01:22:40.000 You get hurt. 1.00

01:22:41.000 You can't lie and pretend you're good because then your dumb ass will take a fight with someone who'll fuck you up and you'll think you're gonna win. 1.00

01:22:48.000 And you should know. 1.00

01:22:49.000 You should know.

01:22:50.000 And you've got to be able to objectively analyze your skills.

01:22:53.000 You have to have confidence, but you also have to have objectivity.

01:22:56.000 You have to look at what you can and can't do and know that you haven't gotten there yet.

01:23:00.000 Maybe you will get to that level someday, but right now you're not there.

01:23:04.000 And when you see someone that's really good, you've got to be inspired by them.

01:23:08.000 Instead of hating on them and saying, There's nothing. 0.99

01:23:10.000 I'm gonna fuck him up. 1.00

01:23:12.000 There's a lot of people that think like that. 1.00

01:23:13.000 Those people wind up getting taken out on stretchers because they are delusional.

01:23:18.000 They look at the world the wrong way. 0.98

01:23:20.000 If they looked at it the right way, they would look at it like Mike Tyson used to do when he was watching those old films of Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and of Harry Grebb and watching those world-class fighters from the fucking 30s and the 40s and shit, watching Willy Pep films. 0.94

01:23:35.000 He did all that. 1.00

01:23:36.000 He didn't look at them and go, fuck those guys. 1.00

01:23:38.000 I'm better. 1.00

01:23:39.000 He wouldn't say I'm better.

01:23:40.000 He would talk about them with reverence.

01:23:42.000 He would talk about Joe Lewis and Rocky Marciano.

01:23:45.000 He would talk about them with reverence.

01:23:46.000 About how amazing they were.

01:23:48.000 And that is what made him great.

01:23:51.000 Part of what it is, obviously besides all the other great things, is that he concentrated on excellence.

01:23:56.000 And instead of hating, like many people do, in this amazing world that Mike Tyson lived in, he had...

01:24:05.000 This guy named Jim Jacobs, who was his manager, who collected boxing films.

01:24:10.000 So he had one of those old, like, one of those old projection things, and he would sit and watch these old-timey fights that this guy had, like, stacks and stacks of.

01:24:19.000 So it was, like, this amazing environment for him to just take in inspiration.

01:24:25.000 Learn and be inspired.

01:24:26.000 It's respecting history.

01:24:28.000 Yes.

01:24:28.000 It's the inspiration.

01:24:31.000 It's fuel.

01:24:32.000 Yeah.

01:24:32.000 And that's what the internet gives you.

01:24:34.000 On top of the haters, there's going to be haters because it's a natural path of thinking.

01:24:40.000 It's a natural human personality path.

01:24:43.000 But beside that, what's also available is if you look at it the right way, everyone becomes fuel.

01:24:51.000 Kind people, nice people become an inspiration.

01:24:54.000 You go, God, I want to be nice like that guy.

01:24:56.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 I wish I was nice like that guy.

01:24:57.000 And then you learn how to be kinder.

01:25:00.000 When I'm around that person, they're always smiling.

01:25:02.000 I feel better.

01:25:03.000 God, I've got to do that more.

01:25:04.000 I've got to be nicer to people.

01:25:05.000 It's better.

01:25:06.000 It's better for them.

01:25:06.000 It's better for me.

01:25:07.000 And then you can learn.

01:25:08.000 We can all learn from each other that way.

01:25:12.000 I'm not young, so I wish I would have learned this a long time ago, but I have tried to look at people who are successful who I look up to.

01:25:20.000 And that's what the book is about, where I have the chapter about where I take from all these...

01:25:25.000 People I look up to, everybody respects, but it's like, how can I take what they do and apply it to my own life?

01:25:33.000 And before it was, it was just like, I have to win.

01:25:36.000 I have to beat everybody.

01:25:38.000 I would look for negatives of that person.

01:25:41.000 Well, yeah, I could do that too if all I did was train.

01:25:44.000 I could run that good, you know?

01:25:46.000 And so instead of that attitude, it's just like, no, well, How about this?

01:25:51.000 And then you take the positive part, and then you add it to your arsenal, and then you're growing, and you're improving, and you're appreciating, and gratitude, and all these things.

01:25:59.000 That makes you...

01:26:00.000 I mean, you have to be a complete human.

01:26:02.000 Yes.

01:26:02.000 You can't be a negative, looking at the negative of everything, thinking like you've been cheated in life, and that's why you're not successful, and you should be getting more attention.

01:26:11.000 No.

01:26:12.000 You have to switch that mindset to gratitude, and then you see everything differently.

01:26:17.000 Yes.

01:26:18.000 Yes, and it's the same experience.

01:26:20.000 You are the same human, the same biological creature that's seeing the same world, but you're looking at it a completely different way and it empowers you.

01:26:31.000 Not only that, the person that you, instead of hating on someone, We're good to go. 0.99

01:26:58.000 Figuring out how to conquer that little dirty inner bitch, that dirty little bitch that wants to be jealous, that inner coward that wants to look at the world in a distorted lens, because it gives your sad little sorry ego comfort to do that. 1.00

01:27:17.000 And I see men, you know, like I said, men, including myself, have that. 1.00

01:27:21.000 And I see them, and I see them talking like that, and it's like, You can't respect it.

01:27:27.000 When you've seen through a different lens, the lens we're talking about, and then you see that, the exact opposite, you can't respect it.

01:27:34.000 Well, I just want to get away from them.

01:27:36.000 When they do that, I'm like, ugh, let me get out of here.

01:27:39.000 Especially me, because I was that guy when I was young.

01:27:43.000 I was that guy.

01:27:44.000 How'd you change? 0.99

01:27:46.000 Well, I feel like I figured out what was holding me back was bullshit. 0.99

01:27:52.000 Like, if I looked at someone and I thought, oh, they ain't shit. 0.99

01:27:56.000 I was like, that's not true. 0.99

01:27:57.000 They're fucking awesome. 0.98

01:27:58.000 Like, what's wrong with you? 0.98

01:27:59.000 And I spent a lot of time by myself thinking, you know, and I spent a lot of time training.

01:28:02.000 One of the things that comes out of training, like really hard training, is that after it's over...

01:28:07.000 There's these revelations.

01:28:09.000 There's these moments of peace where the training is so hard and you're so exhausted.

01:28:15.000 And a lot of times you're by yourself.

01:28:17.000 Maybe I'll be sitting there stretching or something like that and I'll be thinking.

01:28:20.000 And I just learned.

01:28:22.000 I just thought about it always.

01:28:24.000 And I was like, this is not true.

01:28:27.000 This is not serving me.

01:28:29.000 It's not helping me.

01:28:30.000 So it wasn't a life coach.

01:28:32.000 It was a self-realization.

01:28:34.000 I've been coached inadvertently by a lot of things that I saw.

01:28:39.000 I've been coached by other people's failures.

01:28:41.000 I've been coached by other people's successes.

01:28:44.000 I've been coached by my own failures.

01:28:45.000 I've been coached by my own successes.

01:28:47.000 But I also read a lot of books.

01:28:50.000 This guy on my arm, Miyamoto Musashi, is the reason why this is on my arm.

01:28:54.000 It's from The Book of Five Rings.

01:28:56.000 So, a million years ago, when I was an editor for Eastman's Bowling Journal, I had a quote you said during a fight from him, you know, if you master one thing, you can see the way in all things, something like that.

01:29:08.000 And I quoted you, and this was like way before we ever met.

01:29:11.000 But that means something to me too, because that also, you said it during a fight once.

01:29:17.000 And that's what I took in my editorial.

01:29:19.000 I wrote that I heard you during UFC broadcast say that.

01:29:23.000 And it's like, that kind of resonated with me.

01:29:26.000 I'm like, that makes sense.

01:29:27.000 And then I started, then I was at my normal job.

01:29:31.000 And I remember when I first started there, there was this job that came open, the job I did for 20 years as a buyer.

01:29:37.000 And nobody put in for it that was internal, that already worked the company.

01:29:42.000 And And so I was the only person who put in.

01:29:44.000 I was on the construction crew and I put in.

01:29:46.000 And I was like, well, how come nobody else is putting in? 0.99

01:29:49.000 And they're like, oh, we don't want to deal with the office bullshit. 1.00

01:29:52.000 I'm like, office bullshit? 0.99

01:29:55.000 I mean, I was making $7 an hour and now I'm making $18. 1.00

01:29:59.000 What bullshit are you talking about? 0.99

01:30:00.000 And there was no office bullshit. 1.00

01:30:02.000 It was just like that was just a thing that, you know, there's like the stigma of office bullshit. 0.99

01:30:07.000 It's fear of success. 0.97

01:30:09.000 Nobody put in for the job.

01:30:10.000 So it was like all these little lessons I learned.

01:30:12.000 I heard you say that.

01:30:13.000 My work life. 0.99

01:30:15.000 And then I was like, God, maybe all this shit, all this, maybe this isn't real. 0.99

01:30:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:21.000 Maybe what's real... 1.00

01:30:22.000 And you said after training you would have this enlightenment thing.

01:30:27.000 For me, it's been when I'm running.

01:30:29.000 When I'm running, there's nothing else to think about when I'm running.

01:30:32.000 And sometimes you can run and you can go through all these waves of...

01:30:35.000 Sometimes I'll think about my dad and get kind of sad or...

01:30:39.000 Think about Roy and, you know, just question stuff.

01:30:42.000 And then sometimes I'm feeling really good.

01:30:44.000 And like I said, I'm looking at the mountain and like, that's what I'm doing today.

01:30:46.000 And when I get there, I can't wait to get to the top and I do this little video and everybody knows the video.

01:30:51.000 Oh, you're on top of your mountain.

01:30:52.000 And so I'm like, I kind of look forward to sharing that video because I know other people look forward to it.

01:30:57.000 But then you're... 0.98

01:30:58.000 So all these different factors come in and you're like, I've been looking at this fucking... 0.99

01:31:02.000 All this shit the wrong way. 0.99

01:31:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:31:04.000 Why have I been putting this negative... 0.99

01:31:08.000 Energy into all this when it all I had to do is change my mindset And that's all that's happened in in my life in the book and then once you change that it's just like they say that You know the more you give the more you receive, you know You get more generous with money and another thing I learned from you is how generous you are And so I'm like well,

01:31:26.000 I'm gonna implement that too.

01:31:27.000 I just I've been rewarded more in life and it's like god dang What is going on?

01:31:33.000 It's real.

01:31:34.000 It's 100% real.

01:31:35.000 Yeah, it's real.

01:31:36.000 And all we're trying to do is share.

01:31:37.000 It's like, look at this, guys.

01:31:41.000 Look.

01:31:41.000 Yeah.

01:31:42.000 There's a lot of power in love.

01:31:45.000 And I know that sounds very cliche, but there's power in love.

01:31:49.000 And when you're generous, and when you're kind, and when you're complimentary, and when you're appreciative, and you're grateful, that's love.

01:31:57.000 That's like happiness.

01:32:00.000 Negativity should be reserved for the most evil of things that you can come across in life.

01:32:04.000 And a lot of negativity that I encounter in life, I always have this reaction.

01:32:09.000 Like, I want to hate.

01:32:10.000 I want to be angry. 1.00

01:32:11.000 I was a mean fucking kid when I was young, man. 0.99

01:32:13.000 When I was fighting, I was mean. 0.99

01:32:15.000 Because that was the only way I thought I could win.

01:32:17.000 I mean, I thought I had to be mean in order to be successful.

01:32:20.000 Because you're trying to hurt someone.

01:32:22.000 You're in a sport where there's a trained fighter and you're trying to hurt that trained fighter.

01:32:28.000 It took a long time before I knew how to let that go.

01:32:32.000 And one of the things that really helped me was appreciating people for the good qualities.

01:32:38.000 And so even when someone hates on me, there's a part of me that goes, I get it.

01:32:44.000 I know where they're coming from. 0.96

01:32:45.000 I bet if I got alone with them, talked to them for a while, I could fucking let them know they're real me. 0.99

01:32:52.000 We were talking today, sometimes there's whole articles written about shit that I've said on the podcast. 0.99

01:32:59.000 And then I'll read the article, I'm like, well, I don't even agree with that. 0.97

01:33:01.000 I don't even agree with what I said.

01:33:03.000 I said it and it was like I'm talking, but if someone said, yeah, but this, I would have went, yeah, actually, you're right.

01:33:10.000 That's a good point.

01:33:12.000 Yeah, that sort of cancels out what I'm saying, or that's another perspective that's in hand.

01:33:17.000 We get so locked into protecting our ego and protecting our identity and shielding ourselves From fear and the fear of the unknown and the fear of other people and the big leaps that I've made in my life have all come from abandoning that.

01:33:37.000 And a lot of it has come from love.

01:33:39.000 A lot of it has come from appreciating people.

01:33:42.000 A lot of it has come from celebrating people.

01:33:45.000 A lot of what I do in this podcast is talk about how great people are.

01:33:48.000 Right.

01:33:48.000 It's a big part of it.

01:33:49.000 Great comedians, great friends like you, bow hunters and athletes and musicians and rappers and singers and fucking guitar players. 0.98

01:33:59.000 I love people. 0.97

01:34:01.000 I think that's a giant part of life, man.

01:34:05.000 It's like life is...

01:34:08.000 Life is all of these creatures that we call human beings existing for this very short amount of time. 0.99

01:34:14.000 And you could spend that short amount of time, that hundred years, if you're lucky, you could spend that hundred years being a creep and being an asshole and hating your neighbor and hating everybody else. 0.98

01:34:23.000 Or you could just forgive people and just be as nice as you can and reserve the real hate and anger for when you're fucking protecting your life or you're protecting loved ones or... 0.99

01:34:35.000 People make mistakes. 1.00

01:34:36.000 People are fucked. 1.00

01:34:37.000 They're flawed. 1.00

01:34:38.000 They're filled with...

01:34:38.000 You've thought in a negative way in the past.

01:34:41.000 I've thought in a negative way in the past.

01:34:42.000 It's like...

01:34:44.000 We're all capable of great things.

01:34:48.000 It's just we have to find that path to these great things.

01:34:52.000 And when you do find that path, if you share it with others, it helps.

01:34:56.000 You don't want to keep it to yourself.

01:34:58.000 Tell other people.

01:34:59.000 Tell them all.

01:34:59.000 They want to elevate that, too.

01:35:01.000 I mean, one thing I picked up that you just said, but...

01:35:05.000 Where you change your perspective on something you said and then you read it back.

01:35:08.000 I think that's a hard thing for a lot of people.

01:35:12.000 For one thing, there's people I've worked with before that I've never heard them say, I don't know.

01:35:18.000 I actually don't know.

01:35:19.000 It's crazy, right?

01:35:20.000 You know, they always know.

01:35:21.000 And it's like, no, it's okay to say you don't know.

01:35:24.000 Or another thing is somebody could say, well, but I thought last time you said it was this way.

01:35:32.000 And nobody wants to say, yeah, I did.

01:35:35.000 I was wrong.

01:35:36.000 Those things.

01:35:37.000 I don't know.

01:35:38.000 And yeah, I was wrong.

01:35:40.000 I mean, I was talking to Jocko about this, with this Origen thing that we're involved in.

01:35:47.000 That's one thing that I've noticed with Jocko and Origen and the men involved in this, is that it doesn't seem like there's an ego that's protecting things.

01:35:57.000 It's always taken in that positive light.

01:36:01.000 Yes.

01:36:03.000 Nobody's really married to this thing, like, this has to be this way and I'm not compromising.

01:36:08.000 It's always like, oh, okay, yeah, I actually didn't think of that.

01:36:11.000 Well, it's leadership, right?

01:36:12.000 I mean, Jocko was a Navy SEAL leader. 1.00

01:36:16.000 And when you lead a bunch of elite alpha males, like a bunch of Navy SEALs, you can't have any of that bullshit. 0.99

01:36:23.000 You've got to be there. 0.97

01:36:24.000 And not operate at the best.

01:36:26.000 I mean, there's no way to be the best.

01:36:28.000 No way.

01:36:28.000 No, and Jocko was at the best.

01:36:29.000 Yeah.

01:36:29.000 And that sort of mentality, that's one of the beautiful things about what Jocko does when he teaches leadership.

01:36:35.000 You know, when he teaches, he calls it extreme ownership.

01:36:38.000 Right.

01:36:38.000 That's a big part of it.

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:40.000 Own everything.

01:36:41.000 Yeah, I was wrong.

01:36:42.000 Yeah.

01:36:43.000 That's part of owning whatever.

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:45.000 It's like, yeah, I was actually wrong on that, and I've learned since then.

01:36:50.000 Human beings are so messy, man.

01:36:52.000 I know.

01:36:52.000 There's so much going on, and I'm a different person 15 times a day, you know, depending upon whether I've eaten, whether I'm tired, whether I got good news or bad news.

01:37:03.000 It's hard to navigate through that weird sort of river of emotions and expectations and anxiety and just be consistent.

01:37:14.000 And have these principles that you follow by, like be honest, be truthful, be nice whenever possible, be disciplined, be grateful, get through it. 0.96

01:37:24.000 But if you can do that, you can write a fucking book like Cam Haynes and it'll be awesome! 0.96

01:37:31.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:37:32.000 That's what we all strive for.

01:37:34.000 We all strive to be the best version of ourselves that we can be.

01:37:38.000 And there's a lot involved in that. 0.99

01:37:39.000 And you can't get that way through bullshit. 0.99

01:37:41.000 It doesn't exist. 1.00

01:37:42.000 No one who reaches the top of anything got there through bullshit. 0.99

01:37:46.000 Right. 0.99

01:37:46.000 Like that whole fake it till you make it. 0.99

01:37:48.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

01:37:49.000 Nobody says that has ever made it. 0.98

01:37:51.000 That's not real. 1.00

01:37:52.000 That fake it till you make it shit? 0.99

01:37:54.000 No. 1.00

01:37:54.000 Just fucking be real about what it is and strive to make it. 1.00

01:37:58.000 And whatever making it is, I don't even know what making it is. 0.98

01:38:01.000 I don't either.

01:38:02.000 I don't think it exists.

01:38:03.000 Because I don't feel like I made it.

01:38:05.000 I don't even know what that means.

01:38:06.000 I mean, I could ever imagine being as successful as I am now when I was a child.

01:38:11.000 Right.

01:38:12.000 But I still don't think I made it.

01:38:13.000 I don't think it's a place. 1.00

01:38:14.000 I think it's bullshit. 1.00

01:38:15.000 I think it's like fucking Narnia. 1.00

01:38:17.000 I don't think it exists. 0.99

01:38:18.000 Well, how do you, so, I mean, everybody would look at your life and think that you made it.

01:38:24.000 So how do you have that?

01:38:26.000 What is it about that?

01:38:28.000 Why are you, I mean, we've talked about different things.

01:38:30.000 We've talked about archery and like, oh, we need to, just these big goals in archery and like a business and things like this.

01:38:37.000 Why do you keep chasing new things?

01:38:39.000 I mean, what is it?

01:38:40.000 What drives you?

01:38:42.000 I don't know.

01:38:43.000 I don't think about it that much.

01:38:45.000 I just do it.

01:38:47.000 That's how I measure whether or not I'm okay.

01:38:53.000 That's how I figure it out.

01:38:56.000 I don't think anybody who doesn't have challenges in their life is happy.

01:39:01.000 I don't think the human animal is designed for no challenges.

01:39:04.000 I think the human animal is designed for constant tests.

01:39:11.000 I don't think there's ever going to be a point in my life when I don't do difficult things. 0.99

01:39:14.000 I'm going to be doing some difficult shit until my fucking ticker stops. 0.99

01:39:18.000 And that's just how it goes. 0.99

01:39:19.000 That's the whole idea.

01:39:20.000 Everybody wants this moment where you're drinking lemonade with your wife and just sitting out there looking at the sunset.

01:39:25.000 Jordan Peterson said that.

01:39:27.000 It was a great video that you could probably find if you go looking online.

01:39:32.000 It's like, what is making it?

01:39:36.000 And he's like, what's your version of making it?

01:39:38.000 Oh, I want to be sitting on the beach drinking margaritas.

01:39:41.000 He goes, for how long?

01:39:43.000 For six months?

01:39:44.000 And he goes, you're going to have liver failure.

01:39:46.000 You're going to get bored.

01:39:48.000 That's not real.

01:39:49.000 This idea that people have of these moments you're going to reach, this holding hands and walking into the sunset. 0.99

01:39:57.000 That shit's not real. 0.98

01:39:59.000 What's real is in the now. 0.99

01:40:03.000 And what I know about in the now is that I have a human body that has, it's a 54-year-old body that has been a part of the genetic chain that has evolved for hundreds of thousands of years when it had to fight off predators and hide from warring tribes and go to battle against intruders and find food for your children.

01:40:33.000 It needs problems, it needs to find solutions, it needs work, it needs stress. 0.97

01:40:39.000 You know, I got up this morning, took my kid to school, and then I went and did a fucking brutal leg workout. 0.96

01:40:46.000 No one's over my shoulder telling me how to do it. 0.97

01:40:49.000 There's no one there.

01:40:49.000 I didn't even listen to any music.

01:40:51.000 Today, I just decided to just fucking grind. 0.95

01:40:54.000 And while I was doing that, it was interesting, because when it was over, I finally got through it all. 0.97

01:40:59.000 It was like an hour and a half later.

01:41:00.000 I'm exhausted.

01:41:01.000 I can't walk. 0.94

01:41:02.000 My legs were all wobbly and shit, but I was like, I did it, haha. 0.98

01:41:06.000 Like another day. 0.99

01:41:08.000 You won. 1.00

01:41:08.000 See you tomorrow, bitch. 1.00

01:41:09.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

01:41:10.000 And that's like my little battle that I'm playing with life.

01:41:16.000 My little battle that I'm playing with life is if there's no hard things for me to do, I'm going to make my own hard thing.

01:41:22.000 Right.

01:41:22.000 Because I know that if I don't, then the rest of life will be hard.

01:41:26.000 Right.

01:41:26.000 I don't want that.

01:41:27.000 I want the rest of life to be easy. 0.99

01:41:29.000 So the hardest thing that I do, I want it to be some shit that I make myself do. 0.91

01:41:33.000 That way, the other things that break other people, for me, I'm like, oh, this is easy. 0.98

01:41:39.000 You can't do to me what I do to myself.

01:41:42.000 You're not going to.

01:41:43.000 And that's, I mean, that's exactly like when you talk about the long races, that if nothing else, yeah, they're terrible during it.

01:41:50.000 And I do actually enjoy that feeling.

01:41:53.000 But also it makes regular life seem like, wait, what are you upset about?

01:41:58.000 Yeah.

01:41:59.000 You know, this is nothing.

01:42:00.000 I remember we were hanging out once and I forget who it was that said to you, well, after this is over, you and I should race.

01:42:08.000 And you go, well, good luck with that.

01:42:12.000 Yeah.

01:42:12.000 That's the way that you said it.

01:42:14.000 You said, good luck with that, like a guy who's run for three days straight through the mountains.

01:42:20.000 Yeah.

01:42:20.000 Because like when you did the, it was after you did the Moab 240 tour.

01:42:23.000 Right. 0.99

01:42:24.000 And I know they were just fucking around. 0.99

01:42:26.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:42:26.000 But it was the way you said it. 0.99

01:42:27.000 You were like, well, good luck with that.

01:42:29.000 Yeah.

01:42:30.000 No, I mean, that's just what I've done every day forever.

01:42:34.000 And like you said, you lifted today.

01:42:37.000 That's what I was doing when you came and picked me up today.

01:42:39.000 It's like lifting in the gym.

01:42:41.000 I think once you have that, you need that.

01:42:45.000 You need it.

01:42:46.000 You need something, whether it's yoga or running or something.

01:42:49.000 You need something.

01:42:49.000 Because regular life, there is, I mean, there's challenge, yeah, but we eliminate all the challenge.

01:42:56.000 We're never really that hot.

01:42:57.000 We're never really that cold.

01:42:59.000 It's easy to get food.

01:43:00.000 We're never hungry.

01:43:01.000 You know, it's just like, so if you just take the path of least resistance, man, you're not maximizing your life.

01:43:08.000 And obviously for people out there that have to work 16 hours a day and you have a very difficult physical job, you don't have the time or the energy to do other things, I get it.

01:43:16.000 You're doing it already.

01:43:17.000 You're doing it whether you're realizing it or not by enduring those days.

01:43:20.000 I got so much respect for the workers that keep us going.

01:43:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:25.000 So I get that too.

01:43:27.000 And they're at the top of my list, the laborers, and at my work, the guys who are in the field putting water lying in the ground.

01:43:34.000 Yeah.

01:43:35.000 How do you not respect those guys?

01:43:37.000 So I do get that too.

01:43:39.000 Hard living.

01:43:39.000 Yeah.

01:43:40.000 I remember I was reading this powerlifting article.

01:43:43.000 This guy was talking about powerlifting and one of the things that he recommended was to get a hard labor job.

01:43:49.000 Yeah.

01:43:50.000 I was like, wow, this is interesting.

01:43:52.000 And he was like, some of the biggest gains that I made was when I was a mason and I was carrying bricks all day.

01:43:58.000 And I remember thinking that, like, whoa, that's a commitment to getting strong.

01:44:02.000 Yeah.

01:44:03.000 Like, this guy's idea was just get a job. 0.98

01:44:05.000 We have to lift heavy shit all day and then go to the gym. 0.99

01:44:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:10.000 I know.

01:44:10.000 And I remember I was like, I think when I was like 18 or 19, when I read that, I was like, Jesus.

01:44:15.000 Yeah.

01:44:16.000 It was like daunting for someone who was already struggling with discipline.

01:44:19.000 I was like, my God, that's daunting.

01:44:22.000 Yeah.

01:44:22.000 This guy's choosing to get a hard labor job just to strengthen his body.

01:44:27.000 Yeah, but you know as well as anybody what your body is capable of.

01:44:31.000 I mean, we're capable so much and then we water that down and we don't expect much of our body.

01:44:39.000 You can't tell me that these people who are doing just incredible things that are the exact same species as us are...

01:44:46.000 I mean, maybe we can't do what they do.

01:44:48.000 We can do a lot more or a lot closer or challenge ourselves and get to a higher level for sure than just bare minimum.

01:44:57.000 You can do a lot more than you think you can.

01:44:59.000 That's a fact.

01:45:00.000 You can do a lot more than you think you can.

01:45:01.000 And it's hard to get a person to recognize that without actually setting a goal and trying to achieve that goal.

01:45:08.000 Because if you're just kind of going to the gym every day and you have some sort of lackadaisical, well, I'm going to get my time, man.

01:45:14.000 I'm not going to kill myself.

01:45:15.000 I'm just going to put a little workout in.

01:45:16.000 You don't really know what you're capable of until you, like, set a goal.

01:45:21.000 And that's when you realize.

01:45:22.000 It's like, you're capable of a lot.

01:45:24.000 The body has an amazing capacity.

01:45:28.000 Amazing.

01:45:29.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 But it's just, you have to push it, or it's never gonna find that.

01:45:34.000 You're always gonna think that you're capable of less.

01:45:36.000 And so, I've always said this, your body will give what you ask of it.

01:45:41.000 If you don't ask much, it won't give you much.

01:45:43.000 But I see that how genetics can, not genetics, I don't know, your body can change.

01:45:48.000 I put up this thing, did you see that archery video about the guys shooting?

01:45:53.000 Yes!

01:45:53.000 And their bone structure changed?

01:45:55.000 So, did that change?

01:45:59.000 I mean, is it that person changed their body?

01:46:02.000 Well, let's talk about what that video is for people who didn't see it.

01:46:05.000 These guys, they found that these longbows that these Europeans were pulling back. 0.97

01:46:12.000 What was it, 190 pounds to pull them back?

01:46:14.000 It was...

01:46:15.000 I think they were over 100. I don't know if they were up to the Mongolians, 160, but they were...

01:46:19.000 Well, let's see.

01:46:20.000 Find the video, because it's on Cam's Instagram.

01:46:23.000 I think it was more than that.

01:46:25.000 I think it was more than the Mongolians.

01:46:27.000 They said their bone structure changed.

01:46:29.000 Which makes sense, because if you're doing this for war...

01:46:33.000 And it's like whether or not your arrow can pierce armor, whether or not your arrow can go through like these thick cowhide shields that they put on or whatever they had on them, wood or whether it was metal.

01:46:46.000 Like there it is.

01:46:47.000 Give me some volume on this and replay it.

01:46:54.000 You gotta click that little thing, there you go.

01:46:57.000 We're superhuman.

01:46:58.000 Let me explain.

01:46:59.000 This is an English longbowman.

01:47:01.000 He has a different skeleton than us.

01:47:03.000 So one of the main reasons why England was so dominant in the Middle Ages was because these guys were so deadly. 1.00

01:47:08.000 There are historical records of these bows piercing through armor, but historians thought it was a myth.

01:47:14.000 It was an exaggeration.

01:47:15.000 But then archaeologists finally actually found some of these bows in a shipwreck.

01:47:20.000 And they found something that shocked them.

01:47:21.000 You see, modern big game hunting bows have a draw weight of about 60 to 70 pounds.

01:47:26.000 Maybe some folks go up to like 80 or 90. These English longbows had a draw weight of up to 190 pounds!

01:47:33.000 Modern bow hunters actually debate these findings because they think it's unrealistic.

01:47:37.000 But people in England were required to train with a bow from childhood on, and it actually changed their skeletal structure.

01:47:44.000 The bones in their left arms became enlarged.

01:47:46.000 Their fingers looked different.

01:47:48.000 They basically became superhuman.

01:47:50.000 People in the past...

01:47:52.000 Superhuman's the goal.

01:47:53.000 Oh, and that's what I said.

01:47:55.000 And it's like, so...

01:47:56.000 But that...

01:47:58.000 Okay, that's one thing.

01:47:59.000 But it reminded me of Goggin's story, where his...

01:48:03.000 He had knee issues and things like that.

01:48:05.000 That's putting it mildly.

01:48:07.000 Right, but his body changed.

01:48:11.000 His knee issues were so crazy that he had bone-on-bone arthritis for a decade and was running.

01:48:21.000 It's something called wolf syndrome, I think it's called, where his bone tried to adapt to the fact that it was getting tortured.

01:48:30.000 So it like misshaped. 0.96

01:48:32.000 And when his doctor looked at his knee, he said, I can't imagine you can fucking walk on this. 0.98

01:48:38.000 Never mind run thousands of miles. 0.99

01:48:41.000 Yeah.

01:48:42.000 And he did his book.

01:48:44.000 Amazing book.

01:48:45.000 Can't hurt me.

01:48:45.000 But he ran 7000 miles in one year.

01:48:49.000 Which is, you know, 20 miles a day, every single day.

01:48:52.000 So he's put in the miles.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, and he's still, I mean, there wasn't long ago, I met him down there, he talks about this in the book, and we went on a 20-mile run, and he's grinding, I mean, running hard.

01:49:04.000 Hard.

01:49:04.000 With no meniscus, no cartilage.

01:49:06.000 Yeah, with his knees just thrashed.

01:49:08.000 But it's just like that mindset.

01:49:10.000 But this video, this English Longbowman, and then you talk about your body adapting, me saying that your body gives what you ask of it, it's 100% true.

01:49:18.000 Yeah, it's 100% true.

01:49:21.000 But these people who are in this thing about path of least resistance...

01:49:27.000 What do you expect is going to happen?

01:49:29.000 You've got to push yourself.

01:49:31.000 Push yourself and then your body, just as we've seen with these examples, will respond in incredible ways.

01:49:37.000 And you don't have to do it right away either.

01:49:39.000 You can start slowly.

01:49:41.000 You can build up to it.

01:49:42.000 You don't want to get yourself to a position where all your ligaments blow apart and your shoulders fall off.

01:49:47.000 You've got to work your way up to it, but have some goals and do it Think of it the same way you think about medicine.

01:49:54.000 If you had a disease, let's think if you had a disease and they said, hey, Cam, we got bad news.

01:50:00.000 The bad news is you have a terrible disease and it's going to destroy your body and it's going to destroy your life and it's going to destroy your mind and it's going to leave you depressed and it's going to leave you sad and despondent, but we have a cure.

01:50:13.000 Doesn't sound good so far.

01:50:14.000 That cure is exercise, and you gotta take that cure every day.

01:50:18.000 And if you don't take that cure every day, you're gonna go down the road that the standard American diet practitioner has. 0.99

01:50:25.000 You're gonna get diabetes, you're gonna be fat, you're gonna have arthritis, you're gonna be fucked. 0.98

01:50:29.000 But if you do, you're gonna thrive, and you're gonna live a life like you and I are both 54 years old, and that's fucking old for someone who works out like we do. 0.99

01:50:39.000 When we were kids, you remember what you thought about a 54-year-old? 0.99

01:50:41.000 Oh, old as hell. 0.98

01:50:43.000 Oh my God, dead man. 0.99

01:50:43.000 Yeah, dead. 0.99

01:50:44.000 Remember when I was in high school, I had a crush on Madonna?

01:50:46.000 Look at this old man.

01:50:47.000 Yeah.

01:50:47.000 I had a crush on Madonna.

01:50:48.000 She was so hot. 1.00

01:50:48.000 She was hot as fuck. 1.00

01:50:49.000 Then I found out she was 26. I was like, God, that bitch is old. 1.00

01:50:52.000 I remember thinking that. 1.00

01:50:54.000 I remember thinking that.

01:50:55.000 I don't know.

01:50:56.000 26. And I was like, God, she's so old.

01:50:58.000 And, uh...

01:51:00.000 Remember when she, what was that?

01:51:02.000 Vision Quest?

01:51:03.000 Remember she was playing in the bar or whatever that was?

01:51:06.000 Oh my god, I've seen that movie a hundred times.

01:51:08.000 That was my movie, man.

01:51:09.000 When I used to get pumped up for martial arts.

01:51:13.000 How awesome was that story? 1.00

01:51:14.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Matthew Modine. 1.00

01:51:16.000 I know.

01:51:17.000 I don't know who that guy was that played the bad guy.

01:51:20.000 The badass.

01:51:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:23.000 Fuck, that movie was great. 1.00

01:51:24.000 I just watched it not long ago. 1.00

01:51:27.000 Is this the bar scene?

01:51:29.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:51:30.000 Come on, Madonna. 1.00

01:51:31.000 Madonna's up there dancing.

01:51:32.000 She's singing crazy for you. 0.66

01:51:34.000 I know.

01:51:35.000 Look at her.

01:51:36.000 Oh yeah, look at that.

01:51:37.000 She was hot! 1.00

01:51:39.000 And now she's... 1.00

01:51:40.000 Crazy. 0.83

01:51:42.000 Odd.

01:51:43.000 It's odd now.

01:51:45.000 She's not hot and crazy. 0.97

01:51:47.000 I don't know if she's crazy because it's hard because you get an impression of someone through social media and it's very difficult to find out if that's really who they are.

01:51:55.000 So that's not her right there?

01:51:57.000 I thought that's how she was in real life. 0.90

01:51:58.000 Oh, she's crazy back then.

01:51:59.000 Dancing, having fun.

01:51:59.000 But she's on stage and performing.

01:52:01.000 Yeah.

01:52:02.000 But she seems...

01:52:04.000 I mean, I'm gonna say this kindly, a bit unhinged.

01:52:07.000 I'm not...

01:52:08.000 I'm not happy with what she's doing.

01:52:11.000 Well, let me hear some volume.

01:52:12.000 Let me hear what's going on here.

01:52:15.000 Somebody could call me...

01:52:15.000 Let's see what she's saying.

01:52:19.000 Just restart that so I can see what the fuck she's saying. 0.99

01:52:21.000 The song promo. 0.98

01:52:23.000 Okay, but...

01:52:25.000 Here's a toast to the incredible disposition that we are all in as artists.

01:52:30.000 That we are able to make something out of nothing.

01:52:33.000 Cheers to that.

01:52:34.000 She's hanging next to a dude who looks like an alien reptile.

01:52:37.000 Yeah, but I like that guy.

01:52:39.000 I follow that guy.

01:52:40.000 You got the reptile head?

01:52:41.000 With the mask on.

01:52:43.000 Who's that guy? 0.99

01:52:44.000 Sick. 0.99

01:52:45.000 His music, he does his remixes with music. 0.99

01:52:48.000 Sickick?

01:52:48.000 Oh, it's so good.

01:52:50.000 Yeah?

01:52:50.000 Yeah, like listen to one of these.

01:52:51.000 Oh, I don't know who that guy is.

01:52:53.000 Give me some.

01:52:53.000 He's awesome.

01:52:54.000 Give me some.

01:52:55.000 I'll try to pick one that wasn't new.

01:52:56.000 It's got a lot of views on that.

01:53:09.000 Oh, he's a DJ, so he's mixing stuff. 0.97

01:53:11.000 It's a good move, too, because he can go to the grocery store and nobody fucks with him. 0.97

01:53:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:15.000 Right? 1.00

01:53:15.000 He's balling with that crazy Darth Vader gold whatever the fuck. 1.00

01:53:18.000 He always wears different masks. 0.99

01:53:20.000 But yeah, it's like little remakes on hits.

01:53:22.000 That's smart.

01:53:23.000 It's like that marshmallow guy.

01:53:24.000 He can go anywhere.

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:25.000 And meanwhile, he's still selling out stadiums.

01:53:27.000 I know.

01:53:28.000 Those are sweet masks, though.

01:53:29.000 They're sweet masks.

01:53:30.000 I know.

01:53:30.000 And look at his hoodie.

01:53:31.000 You know, he's got his logo and he's sick.

01:53:33.000 Do you think he wore those during the coronavirus?

01:53:36.000 During the pandemic?

01:53:36.000 For safety.

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 That's how it started.

01:53:39.000 It could be.

01:53:40.000 It might be how it started.

01:53:42.000 I mean, if you had to wear a mask, if they told you you got to wear a mask, and you wore that mask.

01:53:46.000 Do you care about your community or not?

01:53:48.000 I do.

01:53:49.000 Okay.

01:53:49.000 Then wear one of those.

01:53:50.000 Your fellow people.

01:53:51.000 But that's the thing that's like, you didn't used to be able to wear a mask like that.

01:53:55.000 If you went into a restaurant before and you had that mask, people would be like, you got to get out of here.

01:54:00.000 But look at the branding.

01:54:02.000 I mean, so those thumbnails, see how sick they are? 0.81

01:54:05.000 Yeah.

01:54:05.000 It's consistent.

01:54:06.000 Yeah.

01:54:07.000 Colorful.

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:08.000 Pretty dope.

01:54:09.000 How many followers does he have now?

01:54:10.000 And he's got the crazy S. Let me guess.

01:54:12.000 Let me guess.

01:54:12.000 Don't look at it.

01:54:13.000 Don't look at it.

01:54:15.000 1.7 million.

01:54:16.000 Way more.

01:54:17.000 Oh, really?

01:54:18.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 4.4 million?

01:54:19.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:54:21.000 I know.

01:54:21.000 I like this guy.

01:54:22.000 Might have a lot of fake followers.

01:54:24.000 That's one thing they found out about Twitter.

01:54:26.000 Elon put the hold on the Twitter purchase. 0.99

01:54:29.000 He's like, hey, how many fucking fake followers do you guys have? 0.97

01:54:33.000 I'm a little skeptical on that. 0.99

01:54:34.000 In what way?

01:54:35.000 Everybody kind of knows, except for the people at Twitter that put out that 5%.

01:54:40.000 Right, bot thing.

01:54:41.000 They said they're only checking 100 accounts or something?

01:54:44.000 Yeah.

01:54:45.000 Those are sample size?

01:54:46.000 That's the sample size.

01:54:46.000 And he got in trouble for saying that because he violated the NDA. God, it'd be like 50%, 60%.

01:54:53.000 Really?

01:54:54.000 It's so high.

01:54:55.000 You think it's 50% fake?

01:54:57.000 If you look at some people's accounts when they tweet something, the amount of interaction that's happening at that moment is not real.

01:55:04.000 It couldn't be real.

01:55:05.000 When I put something up and then those girls, the whatever porn girls or whoever they are. 1.00

01:55:10.000 Oh, the bots.

01:55:11.000 They're not girls. 1.00

01:55:12.000 Those are fat Russian guys. 1.00

01:55:13.000 They like me. 0.97

01:55:14.000 What are you talking about?

01:55:15.000 They're my fans.

01:55:16.000 They give you the splash, the water splash on the eggplant.

01:55:19.000 Yeah, I'm in love with you or whatever they say.

01:55:22.000 But how do they get a million likes in one second?

01:55:25.000 So the moment that Instagram allowed people on PCs to look at it on a browser, the bots took over.

01:55:32.000 Right.

01:55:33.000 Because they can set up programs to watch things change and update and immediately put comments on it.

01:55:38.000 Now that they can add photos to it too, it's kind of ruined the platform.

01:55:42.000 Have you seen the way they used to do it, where they used to have a whole shelf filled with cell phones, and they were all connected with wires in the wall?

01:55:50.000 Oh, no, really?

01:55:50.000 Yeah, and they were running programs on each cell phone.

01:55:53.000 They would call it a bot farm.

01:55:55.000 Well, I got the opposite of that on my page, because if you're conservative and white... 0.94

01:56:01.000 Then you're shut down, basically.

01:56:03.000 Guess what? 0.99

01:56:03.000 If you're conservative and black, you're shut down, too. 0.99

01:56:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:56:06.000 So, yeah.

01:56:06.000 So, what the algorithm is?

01:56:10.000 Nothing now.

01:56:11.000 I mean, compared to what it used to be.

01:56:12.000 Well, they've done something.

01:56:14.000 What's interesting is, when Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter, and then he made an offer and Twitter accepted it, immediately...

01:56:23.000 I started getting way more followers, and I mean way more followers.

01:56:27.000 From the time that Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter and they accepted it, I have gained 800,000 followers now.

01:56:34.000 Really?

01:56:34.000 Yeah, and it's like 100,000 in the last week or so.

01:56:39.000 I wonder, so what's up with that?

01:56:41.000 I have no idea, but it's wild to see.

01:56:45.000 Like, I've almost gained a million followers since he decided that he was going, and this is just on Twitter.

01:56:51.000 Instagram is way slower than it used to be and is way less engagement.

01:56:55.000 It's interesting.

01:56:56.000 It's like they've done something, they've decided that I'm controversial or something, they put me in some sort of a category.

01:57:01.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:57:02.000 I'm not that controversial.

01:57:03.000 If you look at what I post, it's not that controversial. 0.98

01:57:06.000 How fucking narrow do you want... 0.95

01:57:10.000 What are you supposed to say? 0.98

01:57:12.000 Also, how narrow do you want the content to be?

01:57:16.000 Your band of what is okay and what's not okay...

01:57:20.000 You can say blue hair's good.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, but they've just decided that I'm problematic.

01:57:25.000 I don't know what's happened.

01:57:27.000 I don't either.

01:57:28.000 I mean, what's the category?

01:57:29.000 Are they sitting back there going, yeah, this guy...

01:57:32.000 I mean, we don't like what he says.

01:57:35.000 He doesn't talk about being woke enough, so he's in this bucket.

01:57:40.000 I post funny things.

01:57:41.000 I post interesting things.

01:57:42.000 I post whatever I like to post.

01:57:44.000 I don't have a lot of ideology.

01:57:49.000 You don't have an agenda.

01:57:50.000 I mean, it's not like you're promoting this one thing and they're like, well, this isn't healthy or this isn't I know, but for a lot of people, I represent anti-masks or anti-viral, anti-vaccine.

01:58:01.000 You just said you want a mask like this.

01:58:03.000 I know. 0.96

01:58:03.000 But it's like a lot of people, because of all the shit that I went through with COVID, a lot of people put me into this category because of the conversation that I've had with Robert Malone and Peter McCullough. 0.96

01:58:16.000 There's some weird algorithm issues.

01:58:20.000 One thing, I'm just looking at your feed, one thing I could guess would be They don't like when you, not you specifically, but when people post a lot of text on a thing.

01:58:30.000 Really?

01:58:30.000 They lean into videos and pictures.

01:58:33.000 So when people post things with text, it kind of gets devalued immediately.

01:58:36.000 Really?

01:58:38.000 100%.

01:58:38.000 I've made posts that it tells me that.

01:58:41.000 On Twitter or Instagram?

01:58:42.000 On Instagram and Facebook.

01:58:43.000 What do you mean it's told you that?

01:58:44.000 How does it say it?

01:58:44.000 When I used to make them.

01:58:45.000 I used to say there's too much text in this.

01:58:47.000 It said it?

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:48.000 How did it say it?

01:58:49.000 In what way?

01:58:50.000 It would be like a filter.

01:58:50.000 It would be like when you're uploading the thing.

01:58:52.000 It would tell me on the top and bottom there's too much text here.

01:58:55.000 You're not going to get X amount of engagement or whatever.

01:58:58.000 I've never seen that.

01:58:59.000 I've never seen that.

01:59:00.000 You're not uploading through an ad platform or through the business platform.

01:59:03.000 You're just uploading to your account.

01:59:05.000 What are you uploading through?

01:59:08.000 When would it have been?

01:59:08.000 Like through Facebook?

01:59:10.000 Oh.

01:59:10.000 Like when I'm using your page to upload something like that.

01:59:13.000 Oh, I see.

01:59:14.000 They'll say, like, consider cutting down the amount of text. 1.00

01:59:17.000 Consider making your shit for stupid people. 1.00

01:59:19.000 Or they just want your money so that you'll promote that post. 1.00

01:59:22.000 Right.

01:59:22.000 I think that's really more what it is.

01:59:24.000 That's a big thing.

01:59:25.000 They just want money.

01:59:26.000 Promoting your post question is like, I don't know how valuable that is.

01:59:30.000 I've never promoted things like that.

01:59:32.000 Maybe I have a couple of times, actually.

01:59:33.000 And that gets rid of the bots? 0.84

01:59:35.000 Because bots are bleeding the ad platform.

01:59:38.000 They get rid of it?

01:59:39.000 It gets rid of the bots?

01:59:40.000 No, no.

01:59:40.000 Opposite.

01:59:41.000 So let me try to word it the right way.

01:59:43.000 When you have an ad campaign, you put up like $100.

01:59:47.000 I want to spend $100 on this post.

01:59:49.000 And I want it to go to these people.

01:59:51.000 And it'll take five days.

01:59:53.000 Bots can make that erase in an hour or two because it's just populating.

01:59:58.000 And then they'll start advertising that that won't happen if you do this like X, Y, and Z. It still happens.

02:00:04.000 So it's like a scam.

02:00:05.000 But it's not like the platform's necessarily doing it.

02:00:08.000 They're just sort of like letting it I wish we had two accounts that had the exact same amount of followers, and we posted the exact same post, and put one of them, and then said, boost this post, and spent money.

02:00:22.000 Spent the maximum amount of money that you can, and the other one not, and see what the difference is.

02:00:27.000 Because I wonder what the return would be.

02:00:30.000 How much can you spend?

02:00:32.000 Let's say if I put up a post that said, hey, which is true, July 1st, I'm going to be in Las Vegas, Nevada at the MGM Grand.

02:00:38.000 Ooh! 0.96

02:00:39.000 Sweet.

02:00:40.000 So exciting!

02:00:41.000 Big show.

02:00:41.000 It's a big show.

02:00:42.000 But if I put that up on Instagram with a photograph, and I said that, and then it said Boost Post.

02:00:49.000 I wish I had two accounts with the exact same...

02:00:53.000 That's me.

02:00:54.000 Yeah.

02:00:55.000 Boost that thing. 0.88

02:00:56.000 Siegfried or Roy.

02:00:56.000 I don't know which one I'm at.

02:00:58.000 I think I'm Siegfried there.

02:01:00.000 Boost that one.

02:01:00.000 The White Tiger.

02:01:01.000 Is that the guy who got jacked?

02:01:02.000 Who got jacked?

02:01:03.000 I don't know.

02:01:03.000 They're both dead now, right?

02:01:04.000 Yeah.

02:01:04.000 It would work that way, but I've seen it happen in the opposite way, because that's social engagement.

02:01:10.000 So if you hired a company to do that for you, at the end of their work with you, they'd show you, like, here's what we did.

02:01:17.000 Here's our evidence of you gave us $10,000, we returned you 100,000 views.

02:01:22.000 Right.

02:01:23.000 The last day, if they didn't get those 100,000 views, they only had 50,000, they might spend some money to show that they got 100,000 views just to show you, the client, that they did all their work.

02:01:32.000 I wonder what's the most amount you could spend on a post?

02:01:38.000 How much money do you have to spend?

02:01:40.000 Is that true?

02:01:41.000 Say if I wanted to do an ad for Endure with Cameron Haynes, it's available now.

02:01:45.000 If you're watching this or listening to this, it's available now.

02:01:48.000 If I wanted to do an ad for that, what is the most amount I could spend on that ad?

02:01:52.000 On the platform?

02:01:53.000 So I would guess this is how it works without having done it.

02:01:55.000 Let's test it out.

02:01:56.000 Let's test it out.

02:01:57.000 $10,000 to $20,000 on the platform, but if you want to spend a million, they'll just have a phone call with you like, what do you want to do?

02:02:02.000 Really?

02:02:03.000 Yeah.

02:02:03.000 And then you could spend a million bucks.

02:02:05.000 So if you want to promote a movie, you know, That's how you end up in the videos.

02:02:09.000 You'll call YouTube.

02:02:10.000 We want to spend $2 million on YouTube advertising.

02:02:13.000 We have a better idea.

02:02:14.000 Why don't we put you in some of the videos with some of our creators?

02:02:17.000 Oh, they do that?

02:02:18.000 Yes.

02:02:21.000 I'm so naive.

02:02:23.000 For someone with a large following, I'm very naive.

02:02:25.000 But this is all marketing manipulation stuff.

02:02:29.000 But that's the part of the problem.

02:02:31.000 But also, I feel like manipulation is the antithesis of what I do.

02:02:36.000 If I do that, if I had fake...

02:02:39.000 I know people that have hired a company that gets them fake followers.

02:02:44.000 Because if you're a fighter, For example, you say, you know, this fighter has 1.2 million Instagram followers.

02:02:53.000 That's very valuable.

02:02:54.000 If you're going to get hired by Bellator or something like that, and they find out you have a million followers, that's a lot.

02:03:00.000 And they might actually give you more money for that.

02:03:03.000 So you can hire a company.

02:03:05.000 At one point in time, people were doing it for Twitter, and it wasn't that much money.

02:03:10.000 It was pretty impressive.

02:03:11.000 And it'd jack up their numbers. 1.00

02:03:12.000 Oh my god, jack it up through the fucking roof, like quick. 0.99

02:03:15.000 I know people that got like 250,000 followers. 1.00

02:03:18.000 We know people that did that, that were in the hunting world.

02:03:21.000 And then people are like, hey, how does that person have a quarter million followers?

02:03:26.000 And they got them all within like three months.

02:03:28.000 And then you look at the engagement and it's like, you know, 200 likes, 1,000 likes.

02:03:33.000 You can tell what's organic and what's not.

02:03:35.000 Exactly.

02:03:35.000 If you look at it, yeah.

02:03:36.000 But it's that appearance is what a lot of people are going for.

02:03:41.000 Just the follower number.

02:03:42.000 That's the problem with social media.

02:03:45.000 It's that everyone's trying to pretend there's something that they're not.

02:03:48.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why people, they really connect with your content.

02:03:53.000 It's because you can't fake running a mountain.

02:03:55.000 Right.

02:03:56.000 You're running it.

02:03:57.000 There's Cam running that mountain.

02:03:59.000 You're 100% running it.

02:04:00.000 You jump up on that log at the top.

02:04:02.000 What is that thing?

02:04:02.000 It's not a log.

02:04:03.000 It's a monument.

02:04:04.000 Monument.

02:04:04.000 You jump up on that monument at the top of Mount Pisgah.

02:04:07.000 Yeah, you ran it.

02:04:08.000 That's it.

02:04:08.000 You did or you didn't.

02:04:09.000 I've thought about that, too, because, you know, fitness, there's probably quite a few fitness people who kind of fake it.

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 I mean, you don't have to...

02:04:17.000 If that's all you're doing, it's tough to fake running a marathon for time.

02:04:23.000 Yes.

02:04:23.000 I mean, it's just...

02:04:25.000 You can't.

02:04:25.000 You can fake that you ran every day, and then you sign up for a race, and your time will tell you whether you've been lying this whole time, right?

02:04:32.000 It's the same with hunting.

02:04:33.000 It's like hunting's the same way, so it's really hard to fake...

02:04:39.000 What I do, basically.

02:04:41.000 Yeah, it's impossible.

02:04:42.000 Everything you do is impossible to fake.

02:04:44.000 It's impossible to fake being able to execute a good shot on an elk in the mountains in real life.

02:04:53.000 You can't fake that.

02:04:54.000 There's no faking.

02:04:55.000 You either can do it or you can't do it.

02:04:57.000 And if you can do it, boy, you had to go through a lot of work to get there.

02:05:00.000 Yeah.

02:05:01.000 And I see people, because, you know, obviously I've worked to a position now where I can go on some great hunts.

02:05:07.000 Actually, the best elk hunts in the world.

02:05:09.000 I mean, this is what I've geared my whole life to.

02:05:12.000 And I've seen people say, well, anybody could do that with money.

02:05:16.000 And I'm like, okay.

02:05:18.000 Sort of.

02:05:18.000 We know a lot of people that have done it with money and they fail.

02:05:21.000 So if they want to say that anybody could kill four bulls a year with money, where are these people?

02:05:29.000 Go make your money.

02:05:30.000 Go make your money and go do it.

02:05:31.000 How come nobody's ever done it?

02:05:32.000 It's just like, what are you talking about?

02:05:34.000 If that's all it took, I know a lot of people with money, why has nobody done it?

02:05:39.000 Right.

02:05:40.000 You might be able to do it with a rifle.

02:05:43.000 Yeah, I mean, I still don't know anybody who's killed four bulls in a year.

02:05:47.000 With a rifle?

02:05:47.000 Yeah, with anything.

02:05:48.000 I think you could do it with a rifle if you went on the right hunts.

02:05:51.000 I don't think it would be as hard, but it still would be complex, because you would have to still get up that mountain.

02:05:57.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:05:58.000 Getting up that mountain is no goddamn joke. 0.96

02:05:59.000 I remember the first time Rinella took me hunting mule deer, and we were in Montana in the breaks. 0.98

02:06:04.000 Right over the Missouri River.

02:06:06.000 And I was like, oh my god, this is hard to do. 0.95

02:06:08.000 Because I was in fucking good shape at the time. 0.76

02:06:11.000 I remember, like, I was doing jujitsu four times a week. 0.98

02:06:15.000 I was training hard.

02:06:17.000 I was in pretty damn good condition.

02:06:19.000 And I was like, ooh, this is shocking.

02:06:22.000 Well, we've went after elk, too.

02:06:25.000 It's hard.

02:06:26.000 In Utah.

02:06:26.000 Yeah.

02:06:26.000 It's kind of like thinner air, less oxygen because you're higher.

02:06:30.000 Yeah.

02:06:31.000 Yeah, I mean, that tells you right away.

02:06:33.000 It's just different.

02:06:34.000 It's different.

02:06:35.000 It's different.

02:06:35.000 Like in the gym, it's a little more explosive, maybe, when fighting and training and kicking the bag.

02:06:40.000 You know, that long pushing up a mountain, that's just kind of a grind that just doesn't stop.

02:06:47.000 Yeah.

02:06:47.000 There's no breaks.

02:06:49.000 Yeah.

02:06:49.000 You could take a break, but then you got to keep going.

02:06:51.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 And like, I remember one specifically, and I, you know, is we were trying to keep the wind right.

02:06:57.000 We didn't kill the bull, but there was a bull coming over.

02:07:00.000 He's bugling and we had to get above him to get the wind right.

02:07:03.000 And so we had to push.

02:07:04.000 And then we got up to this bench and it's kind of this bedding area.

02:07:06.000 It was like, I remember it was just amazing looking elk country, but we went past it and then we went up and And we kind of were side hill and those bulls were going crazy down here and you almost had a shot at a bull and then we kind of went up.

02:07:18.000 But it's like that whole push to keep that wind right as the thermals were going up.

02:07:23.000 It was a fight.

02:07:24.000 I remember that.

02:07:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:25.000 I remember trying to keep up with you, motherfucker. 1.00

02:07:28.000 Cam went up that hill like a goddamn billy goat. 1.00

02:07:31.000 I was like, this is embarrassing. 1.00

02:07:33.000 Your endurance is so preposterous.

02:07:36.000 You would get to the top, and I would literally be having a heart attack, and you wouldn't even be breathing heavy.

02:07:40.000 You'd just be glassing.

02:07:42.000 It's like, this is incredible.

02:07:43.000 But that's why you do what you do.

02:07:45.000 Right.

02:07:45.000 It's the only reason.

02:07:47.000 That's, I mean, and it pays off.

02:07:48.000 I remember one of the first times we ever hunted together, we were at this ranch, and you said, I'm gonna go check to see what's over the top of this hill, like I hear this bull, and you just ran up the hill. 0.99

02:08:02.000 And the dude that I was with goes, what the fuck, man? 0.99

02:08:05.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:08:06.000 And I go, yeah, that's... 1.00

02:08:07.000 That's like, do that shit for years and you can do that too. 1.00

02:08:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:11.000 That's what it is.

02:08:12.000 Yeah.

02:08:12.000 I mean, there's a lot to it.

02:08:15.000 There's a lot to hunting that people who don't hunt don't realize.

02:08:17.000 And there's a lot that goes into like, for me, my mindset has always been that.

02:08:22.000 I need to take advantage of those opportunities.

02:08:23.000 So I built this skill set that allows me to be at my best there and doing that.

02:08:30.000 And even like last year...

02:08:32.000 We had a bull, and I needed to get all the way around to see where that bull might be.

02:08:37.000 Remember, I ran around that whole canyon to try to get eyes on the bull.

02:08:42.000 And sometimes, yeah, is that typical hunting?

02:08:45.000 No.

02:08:46.000 But if you've got to do it...

02:08:47.000 You can do it.

02:08:48.000 That's the thing.

02:08:49.000 People say, you know, oh, you don't need to do that.

02:08:52.000 I've heard criticisms about you from fat people. 0.96

02:08:54.000 And they're like, oh, you don't need to do that to kill bull. 0.99

02:08:57.000 Like, go with him.

02:08:58.000 Go with him and tell him you don't need to do that.

02:09:00.000 You're saying that, but you never hunted with him.

02:09:02.000 Right. 1.00

02:09:02.000 You know, like, when someone has hunted with you and they see the value in that, like, you're not doing it because you're stupid. 1.00

02:09:07.000 You're getting in that kind of shape because it's valuable. 0.98

02:09:10.000 It's very valuable to be able to move through the mountains like that.

02:09:13.000 Because when you see an elk run up the side of a mountain like it's flat ground, it's wild to see.

02:09:19.000 They're incredible.

02:09:20.000 Because they're there every damn day and they're doing that to get away from mountain lions and wolves. 0.96

02:09:24.000 And that's what they do. 0.98

02:09:26.000 That's right.

02:09:27.000 And you can get your body to a much more robust state where you can, you can't do it like they do it, but you can do it a lot better than regular people can do it and it'll make the difference between success and failure.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, oftentimes it will.

02:09:42.000 You said people have talked a lot of shit about me and what I do, but it's never anybody who's hunted with me. 0.84

02:09:48.000 Right. 0.99

02:09:50.000 It's haters.

02:09:51.000 If you've never hunted with me, yeah, whatever.

02:09:54.000 You can have your own opinion.

02:09:55.000 But if we've hunted together, this is what I do.

02:09:59.000 This is all I've done.

02:10:00.000 This is my focus every day.

02:10:02.000 And it's just like, you might not like me personally, it's going to be tough to hate on what I do.

02:10:09.000 That's the thing.

02:10:10.000 We've talked about this before.

02:10:12.000 It's like that expression, be undeniable.

02:10:14.000 There's a certain level that you can achieve in life where you can say all you want about Michael Jordan. 0.99

02:10:20.000 That motherfucker's undeniable. 0.98

02:10:22.000 He's one of the greatest basketball players that's ever walked the face of the planet Earth, if not the best. 0.99

02:10:26.000 That's just an undeniable person.

02:10:28.000 And there's very few people that get to that undeniable place.

02:10:31.000 And if you really want to have no excuses in life, you're going to have to be undeniable.

02:10:36.000 Right.

02:10:36.000 And you're gonna have haters.

02:10:38.000 You're gonna have haters. 1.00

02:10:39.000 But those haters can all suck it. 1.00

02:10:41.000 You know, because they're just lying to themselves. 0.99

02:10:44.000 There's people, and I mention people like that in the book, because I have a lot of good quotes, and I've taken a lot of inspiration from people like Michael Jordan.

02:10:50.000 Just the elites.

02:10:52.000 Kobe.

02:10:53.000 I remember Kobe had, I think, I just saw a clip the other day of Allen Iverson, another great Hall of Famer, and he said when they'd got to the club, Kobe would go to the gym.

02:11:05.000 And he's like, it's why there's only one Kobe.

02:11:08.000 Yeah.

02:11:09.000 He was just working harder.

02:11:10.000 Floyd Mayweather, same thing.

02:11:12.000 You know, Floyd Mayweather didn't drink. 0.98

02:11:13.000 He would go to the club, drink fucking sparkling water, and then he would run home. 0.99

02:11:17.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:11:18.000 Run home with shoes on, with like, well, he had sneakers on, but run home with like pants on, like jeans and a shirt with a gold chain.

02:11:25.000 And he'd be running down the Vegas Strip, shadowboxing at 2 o'clock in the morning, where everybody else was like throwing up in a dumpster.

02:11:33.000 Right.

02:11:34.000 So it's like when you say that you have these goals or like those guys are like, you know, you say their name.

02:11:40.000 You don't have to say their first name, you know, Michael, Kobe, Floyd.

02:11:46.000 And it's like if that you're not going to be able to do what normal people do.

02:11:50.000 Right.

02:11:51.000 So you got to get rid of that.

02:11:54.000 Do you want to be elite or do you want to be normal?

02:11:56.000 Well, if you want to be elite, you're going to have to step out of what normal people would think or what they do and how they think and how they approach things.

02:12:03.000 And you can do it.

02:12:04.000 And you can take those.

02:12:05.000 That's how I say it.

02:12:06.000 There's a whole point to the books.

02:12:07.000 You can take those nuggets and apply them to your own life.

02:12:09.000 And it's like...

02:12:11.000 Who knows what's possible?

02:12:13.000 A lot more is possible than the people that sell themselves short believe.

02:12:19.000 That's for sure.

02:12:22.000 There are genetics involved and there are limitations physically.

02:12:27.000 If you're 60 years old and you're listening to this and you're 350 pounds, Your goal should not be to be the next Michael Jordan.

02:12:35.000 Your goal should be to be healthy, and that is 100% possible.

02:12:39.000 There was a guy, I was watching a video of him the other day, and one of the reasons why I was watching this video is because it had Oh my god, I had me and a couple other people talking over the video.

02:12:54.000 Someone had sent it, and it was just talking about doing things.

02:12:57.000 And the video was this guy being really fat, and at the end of the video, he'd lost 160 pounds.

02:13:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:04.000 There's a bunch of those out there.

02:13:04.000 No, you sent me that one.

02:13:06.000 Yeah.

02:13:06.000 Yeah, that was awesome.

02:13:07.000 It's amazing.

02:13:08.000 I think he had a Rogan Haynes head on, actually, didn't he?

02:13:11.000 Okay, I'm thinking of a different guy, but that guy did.

02:13:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:13.000 That guy did.

02:13:14.000 And that guy's another guy that's lost a shitload of weight.

02:13:16.000 Yeah.

02:13:17.000 Oh, a different one.

02:13:17.000 Okay.

02:13:18.000 But there's a bunch of those.

02:13:19.000 I know.

02:13:19.000 There's a lot of those videos out there.

02:13:20.000 Yeah, they're not going to be Jordan.

02:13:21.000 No.

02:13:22.000 But what could their life be?

02:13:23.000 And also, then, not only could what their life be, who could they impact?

02:13:27.000 Yes.

02:13:28.000 You know, that's this whole, we talk about this ripple effect.

02:13:31.000 Well, you're going to do this, then that's going to impact this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then their kids, then who knows what, and collectively, you know, the rising tide lifts all boats.

02:13:40.000 Yes.

02:13:40.000 That's the whole point.

02:13:41.000 That video that I sent you made me feel good and got me inspired, watching this guy with literally my quotes and wearing a t-shirt of you and I, and this guy got in shape and I got fired up.

02:13:53.000 God.

02:13:53.000 It's like a cycle.

02:13:55.000 It is.

02:13:55.000 It helps everybody.

02:13:56.000 It is.

02:13:56.000 And it's also beautiful.

02:13:57.000 I love watching someone just get their life together.

02:14:01.000 I love it.

02:14:02.000 It's amazing when that happens.

02:14:04.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:14:05.000 And it's possible for everybody.

02:14:07.000 It's possible for...

02:14:08.000 I was looking at this old lady online the other day, and she was a 65-year-old woman who just started powerlifting. 0.96

02:14:14.000 I'm like, this is amazing.

02:14:16.000 65. 65. Doing deadlifts and shit. 0.78

02:14:18.000 I'm like, that's incredible. 0.93

02:14:19.000 Like, it's possible.

02:14:20.000 Yeah.

02:14:21.000 Like, and now all of a sudden, like, she's strong.

02:14:23.000 She's a strong granny. 1.00

02:14:25.000 Oh, man.

02:14:25.000 Like, you can do that.

02:14:26.000 It's like, you're not going to do it overnight.

02:14:28.000 Yeah.

02:14:29.000 You know, but you can do it.

02:14:30.000 Yeah, but these episodes that we talk about are these things we go through in this training that we do...

02:14:35.000 It does carry over to everyday life and how confident you are in other dealings, maybe in business or maybe interaction, wherever.

02:14:43.000 It's like that confidence that you built up from your training or from being dedicated to something or to making a positive change.

02:14:48.000 That carries over.

02:14:50.000 Yeah.

02:14:51.000 You know, and it's just like, yeah, it's not an immediate result.

02:14:53.000 Maybe you're not going to be night and day overnight.

02:14:55.000 You know, I lost 100 pounds.

02:14:57.000 Obviously, that's not going to happen overnight.

02:14:58.000 But this this effect can impact all these other relationships.

02:15:03.000 It can impact people around you.

02:15:05.000 It can impact the people that you contact and you touch through social media and through an online presence.

02:15:11.000 It can impact people that will listen to a podcast like this.

02:15:14.000 That's a beautiful thing when you literally can give people a little lift, a little help, a little pick-me-up.

02:15:20.000 And I love those pick-me-ups.

02:15:22.000 I get them from Goggins.

02:15:23.000 I get them from you.

02:15:24.000 I get them from all kinds of people online.

02:15:25.000 I get them from random people.

02:15:27.000 I get them from that old lady powerlifting. 1.00

02:15:28.000 I get them from people.

02:15:30.000 I think that's one of the beautiful things about social media is that You know, there's a lot of toxicity, but it's really just like what you gravitate towards.

02:15:37.000 Yeah.

02:15:37.000 You got to develop a discipline when it comes to that stuff, too.

02:15:41.000 It's one of the reasons why I don't read comments.

02:15:43.000 I'm like, that is, there's just the chance and the possibility of negativity is just not worth it.

02:15:50.000 The juice is not worth the squeeze.

02:15:52.000 Unless you're Goggins.

02:15:53.000 And plus, yeah, unless you're Goggins.

02:15:54.000 I don't need any compliments.

02:15:56.000 I'm not interested in compliments.

02:15:58.000 Thanks, appreciate you, love you all, but I get it.

02:16:01.000 I'm going to keep moving.

02:16:02.000 I know what I'm doing.

02:16:03.000 You don't need to tell me that everything's great.

02:16:06.000 I'm good.

02:16:07.000 I'm not interested.

02:16:08.000 I'm interested in other people's success.

02:16:11.000 I'm interested in mindsets.

02:16:12.000 I'm interested in philosophy.

02:16:14.000 I'm interested in what a person had to go through to become who they are, like the Francis Ngannou story or with a guy who lost 160 pounds. 0.99

02:16:23.000 That shit gets me going. 0.99

02:16:24.000 I love it. 1.00

02:16:25.000 And that's the beautiful thing about social media.

02:16:27.000 I think there's more fuel and more inspiration for success and for happiness and camaraderie and community than there's ever been before.

02:16:36.000 It's just what you concentrate on.

02:16:37.000 And a lot of people, they complain about algorithms, rightly so, that if you only gravitate towards negative things, and the algorithm only shows you negative things, and you just always like to be upset, and the algorithm always shows you things you're upset. 0.98

02:16:51.000 But my algorithm is filled with a lot of cool shit. 0.95

02:16:55.000 Yeah, mine too. 0.99

02:16:56.000 I'm not interested in negative.

02:16:58.000 I'm not interested in it.

02:16:59.000 Mine too.

02:17:00.000 My algorithm is filled with you shooting that bow today.

02:17:03.000 That was awesome!

02:17:05.000 Yeah, Cam got me the new Keep Hammerin' bow.

02:17:08.000 See that logo that says Keep Hammerin' on there?

02:17:10.000 It's on my bow limbs.

02:17:12.000 Yeah, it's a great bow.

02:17:15.000 I figured it was a good bookend since the first time I came down here I brought you a bow.

02:17:19.000 Yes.

02:17:20.000 We went on a bow hunt after that.

02:17:22.000 And now this time, now you got a new keep hammering bow also.

02:17:26.000 Yeah.

02:17:26.000 Oh, look at that.

02:17:27.000 Look at that.

02:17:27.000 That is like right at the moment of release.

02:17:30.000 Look at that follow through.

02:17:31.000 Yeah, it's perfect.

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:33.000 Somebody taught me.

02:17:34.000 So that's a 90 pound keep hammering.

02:17:37.000 What is that bow?

02:17:39.000 Is it a Hoyt Ventum?

02:17:40.000 No, Ventum Pro 33. Yeah.

02:17:42.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 Yeah, awesome bow.

02:17:43.000 And then I'm shooting your other bow, which is an 80-pound model, just like yours. 0.69

02:17:48.000 And it's also a keep hammer in one.

02:17:51.000 Yeah, and it's just, look at how perfect that fits.

02:17:53.000 I mean, your bow's a little longer for me, but it still fits perfect in that shot right there.

02:17:58.000 That follow-through is pretty sweet.

02:17:59.000 No, it's ideal.

02:18:01.000 I mean, because how you can tell it's a good follow through is your bow arm is still up.

02:18:05.000 A lot of people drop that bow arm on release.

02:18:07.000 Right.

02:18:07.000 And you can tell that you just pulled through.

02:18:09.000 You can see your release, holding that release, and it's going back straight.

02:18:14.000 Ideal.

02:18:15.000 And that's archery country here in Austin, Texas.

02:18:17.000 What a great place.

02:18:18.000 Nicest guys.

02:18:19.000 They're close today, and they were all down there, all hands on deck, setting up these bows, and couldn't have done a better job.

02:18:27.000 No, it was pretty awesome.

02:18:32.000 Archery, if there's a thing that I've learned about difficult stuff, all of that could be learned through archery.

02:18:42.000 And one of the things about archery that's amazing is that at the moment when you're aiming and releasing and executing your shot, you don't think about anything else.

02:18:51.000 Right, yeah.

02:18:52.000 It's cleansing.

02:18:52.000 It cleanses the mind.

02:18:54.000 There's not very many things in today's day and age because we're distracted all the time.

02:19:00.000 I mean, phones sitting here and different things.

02:19:01.000 We look up things.

02:19:02.000 We talk.

02:19:03.000 But where you can have tunnel, it requires tunnel vision focus. 0.99

02:19:06.000 That's one reason why I think the cold tubs are good, too, because you can't think about anything else but that fucking cold tub and how miserable it is. 0.98

02:19:14.000 But it takes your brain and it does something to it. 0.99

02:19:17.000 Archery does that.

02:19:19.000 For me, running does that.

02:19:21.000 I do think about things, but I'm pretty much solely focused on performing.

02:19:25.000 But yeah, there's very few things that require that.

02:19:28.000 And we need that, I think, as humans.

02:19:29.000 We're so distracted.

02:19:31.000 Our brains are so complicated.

02:19:32.000 We're such a complicated species where we have doubts and fears and all this thing.

02:19:38.000 And you can...

02:19:39.000 You can overwhelm yourself.

02:19:41.000 You can.

02:19:41.000 So if you can have things that require you to shut all that off, I'm focusing on this right now, it's so healthy.

02:19:48.000 Didn't Fred Bear have a quote about that, about archery?

02:19:51.000 A troubled mind.

02:19:52.000 Yeah.

02:19:52.000 Troubled mind.

02:19:53.000 Yeah.

02:19:53.000 It's real, man.

02:19:54.000 Nothing cures a troubled mind like shooting a bow.

02:19:56.000 I love it.

02:19:57.000 I love going out and just launching arrows.

02:19:59.000 Yeah.

02:19:59.000 It makes me so happy.

02:20:00.000 Well, you're so good at it, too.

02:20:02.000 I can't remember who I was talking about.

02:20:04.000 Hunting skill or hunting experience comes over time.

02:20:07.000 There's no way to shortcut that.

02:20:09.000 That just takes time in the field.

02:20:11.000 But shooting with how dedicated you are with training and everything in your life, it's went hand in hand with archery because you've just been so all in on it and it shows with your performance.

02:20:24.000 It's like you can shoot.

02:20:25.000 I mean, you shoot probably more than I do.

02:20:28.000 And it's like, so you're controlling what you can control.

02:20:30.000 You can't control experience.

02:20:31.000 You're going to gain that.

02:20:33.000 But you can control what you can, and that's the technical function of shooting a bow, and man, you're dialed in.

02:20:39.000 Well, it helps.

02:20:40.000 We've got a range right here at the studio.

02:20:41.000 It does.

02:20:42.000 It does.

02:20:43.000 Did you see how sick this hoodie looks in that picture?

02:20:45.000 That origin hoodie?

02:20:46.000 With the sleeves cut off?

02:20:48.000 It's a dope pattern, though.

02:20:49.000 I've got to say that. 0.99

02:20:50.000 They fucking nailed that camo pattern. 0.98

02:20:52.000 What about the sleeves? 0.99

02:20:53.000 The sleeves are a little rough.

02:20:54.000 It's a little much.

02:20:55.000 But that's you.

02:20:56.000 My wife always makes fun of the fact that you cut your sleeves off. 1.00

02:20:58.000 This is on brand.

02:21:01.000 That's on brand for you.

02:21:02.000 Or the Origin Camo.

02:21:04.000 Oh my God.

02:21:05.000 This looks so good.

02:21:07.000 And that's the number one question that I see is, okay, take my money.

02:21:12.000 When can I buy this?

02:21:13.000 Not yet.

02:21:13.000 I know.

02:21:14.000 But how exciting is it?

02:21:16.000 It's exciting because it's beautiful to have something that's 100% American-made.

02:21:20.000 The fabric, the construction, all of it, everything.

02:21:23.000 Just like all of Origin stuff, and there's Jocko with it.

02:21:26.000 Oh my God.

02:21:27.000 That looks scary.

02:21:28.000 That actually gave me butterflies seeing his face right there.

02:21:31.000 I was like, jeez.

02:21:32.000 He's so intense.

02:21:33.000 He's intense.

02:21:34.000 And Echo's so nice, but so jacked.

02:21:36.000 Yeah, he's pretty jacked.

02:21:37.000 Look at, he's got striations on his tattoo.

02:21:40.000 He's got tattoos of muscles.

02:21:41.000 Isn't that like muscle striations on his tattoos?

02:21:43.000 No, that's not a tattoo.

02:21:45.000 That's just him.

02:21:46.000 That's just being jacked. 0.66

02:21:47.000 Yeah, that's how jacked he is. 0.92

02:21:49.000 Imagine if you were that jacked. 0.94

02:21:50.000 Yeah.

02:21:51.000 You'd be like a character in a movie.

02:21:53.000 So, these guys look very intimidating.

02:21:56.000 The nicest people.

02:21:58.000 And Jocko, he was reading my book, it was kind of scary.

02:22:01.000 I was like, wow, this is pretty intense, him reading his voice.

02:22:04.000 Yeah.

02:22:05.000 But, yeah, we're involved in this origin thing.

02:22:08.000 And it's like, I brought this up to Jocko.

02:22:12.000 What it reminded me of...

02:22:14.000 Is there's this, I sent it to you, this old series called The Men Who Built America.

02:22:19.000 I don't know if, you probably haven't had a chance to watch it, but it's about, you know, John Rockefeller, all these people who came over, built America, like the railroad system, which we pretty much still use, oil, kerosene, lights, you know, we're a dark society and kerosene brought light.

02:22:37.000 And so how basically we've evolved as a country in an industry is And in some weird way, this origin story reminds me of that because, you know, as they tell so well, origin and Pete and Jocko and Kip's involved too,

02:22:53.000 but bringing these factories back to making American clothing and camo and bringing this work back to America.

02:23:00.000 And it reminds me of...

02:23:03.000 That industry being here in this country.

02:23:05.000 It's such an honor to be involved in it.

02:23:09.000 It is an honor.

02:23:09.000 And the company Origin that Jocko's put together is beautiful because all those people are really proud to do that, to make American-made goods.

02:23:16.000 And I have four pairs of their boots that I bought. 0.97

02:23:19.000 They're fucking awesome. 0.96

02:23:20.000 They're so good. 0.98

02:23:21.000 They're so comfortable.

02:23:22.000 And they're such high quality.

02:23:24.000 It's like you feel it.

02:23:25.000 It's like you could feel the handmade aspect of it when you're holding on to it.

02:23:30.000 It's like, God.

02:23:32.000 It gives you pleasure.

02:23:33.000 And people used to think that, oh, it doesn't matter, American-made.

02:23:37.000 Like, what are you, a nationalist?

02:23:38.000 Why do you think about that? 0.96

02:23:39.000 Well, during the pandemic, a lot of people realized, like, hey, it's not good to rely on something that's made on another fucking country that's across the ocean when you might not even be able to get a ship over there to bring it over here. 0.92

02:23:50.000 And we're finding that about with chips for cars because there's a shortage, the supply chain shortage. 0.83

02:23:56.000 There's a lot going on.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:57.000 And, I mean, and also, it's like...

02:24:01.000 Is China on our side? 0.84

02:24:02.000 Or do we want to send more money to China?

02:24:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:24:05.000 Because all these high-end, especially in the hunting industry, these high-end hunting brands, they're all made.

02:24:11.000 China, Korea, Taiwan.

02:24:14.000 I mean, it's just like, it's fine.

02:24:15.000 I guess they do a good job.

02:24:17.000 It's high-quality stuff, but here's my thought.

02:24:19.000 Do you want money to go to people that get paid a living wage?

02:24:23.000 And get fair healthcare and benefits.

02:24:25.000 I do.

02:24:26.000 I do.

02:24:27.000 I want people to get paid well.

02:24:28.000 And that's what Origin does.

02:24:30.000 And that's what, you know, that's what I think of.

02:24:31.000 When I think of something being American-made, I'm like, okay, well, at least I know these workers are protected in some way.

02:24:38.000 Yeah.

02:24:38.000 More than they were...

02:24:39.000 Right.

02:24:40.000 Look, we all both have iPhones. 0.99

02:24:42.000 You get an iPhone from China, you're getting it from someone that's working in a factory where you're surrounded by nets to keep you from jumping off the fucking roof. 0.99

02:24:48.000 Right. 0.99

02:24:49.000 I wish there was an American-made cell phone because I would pay twice for it.

02:24:53.000 And I know some people can't and I understand that.

02:24:55.000 I'm not an elitist.

02:24:57.000 I'm not delusional.

02:24:58.000 I know that some people are struggling to just buy an iPhone for what it costs now or any kind of phone. 0.99

02:25:04.000 But if there was a fucking phone that was made in America and I knew that the people who worked there had dental and healthcare and they're paid well and, you know, they have benefits, I would fucking buy it in a heartbeat. 0.99

02:25:14.000 100%. 0.99

02:25:14.000 I support that. 0.99

02:25:15.000 100%.

02:25:21.000 Let's do this in America.

02:25:23.000 Yes.

02:25:42.000 Look, when jobs went overseas, I mean, everybody knows the story of that movie Roger and Me, but that's all about jobs leaving Flint, Michigan and going overseas and going to different countries and destroying the economies of these cities.

02:25:56.000 And many of these cities have never returned.

02:25:59.000 I'm in Detroit this weekend.

02:26:02.000 And every time I go to Detroit, Detroit is making a comeback now.

02:26:06.000 There's a lot of companies like Shinola and a lot of these companies that are proudly making things in Detroit.

02:26:12.000 And there's a lot of small businesses.

02:26:15.000 But if you're there, you are...

02:26:19.000 Starkly aware like it's it's a the contrast between What it used to be it used to be one of the richest cities in the world to what it is now where you see Abandoned buildings.

02:26:31.000 Yeah skyscrapers with every window missing.

02:26:33.000 It's wild It's wild and it's all from industry pulling out so they can make more money somewhere else and just destroying Yeah.

02:26:43.000 The fiber of the city.

02:26:45.000 Yeah.

02:26:45.000 Which was a city that was historic.

02:26:47.000 I mean, you know, Detroit.

02:26:49.000 Detroit muscle.

02:26:50.000 Yeah.

02:26:51.000 American worker.

02:26:52.000 Yeah.

02:26:53.000 Chrysler.

02:26:53.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:54.000 One of the greatest cars ever.

02:26:55.000 Right.

02:26:55.000 When you think of Detroit, you think of, wow, those are guys that's a hardworking city.

02:26:59.000 Yes, and now, I mean, like I said, it is making comeback.

02:27:03.000 Yeah, that's great.

02:27:03.000 You know, there's a lot of people that have a lot of pride in Detroit.

02:27:05.000 Think about all of the fucking great musicians that have come out of Detroit. 0.99

02:27:08.000 Detroit Rock City, KISS. Kid Rock. 0.99

02:27:10.000 Kid Rock, yeah.

02:27:11.000 Ted Nugent.

02:27:12.000 There's a lot that came out of Detroit, but it's just that's what can happen when you don't support American businesses.

02:27:19.000 It's not just a matter of whether or not you're paying more or less for something.

02:27:25.000 It's like whether or not you're contributing to the destruction of a city.

02:27:28.000 And the economy and the destruction of the people's lives that are involved in that industry.

02:27:34.000 And I don't know if we knew that back in the 1980s when they did that.

02:27:39.000 I don't quite think they did.

02:27:41.000 Nobody's looking at the big picture.

02:27:43.000 Yeah, they were trying to make more money by shipping the job somewhere else.

02:27:49.000 Right.

02:27:49.000 Yeah, and that's what business does.

02:27:51.000 But I feel like, as a capitalist society, if you can make money, but also have a...

02:27:59.000 Our goal isn't...

02:28:01.000 I don't know about making money.

02:28:02.000 All I know is we have this goal of making an American-made product.

02:28:06.000 And it's just like, that feels better.

02:28:09.000 That feels right.

02:28:10.000 It feels a lot better.

02:28:12.000 And knowing the guys over at Origin and knowing Jocko, it's like, yeah, it's great.

02:28:17.000 I just think they're not going to be able to make enough.

02:28:19.000 That's my worry.

02:28:20.000 There's going to be so much demand for it.

02:28:22.000 Guaranteed.

02:28:23.000 We're going to have a hard time keeping up with demand, but that's a good problem to have.

02:28:28.000 It's a good problem to have. 0.53

02:28:29.000 We don't want people frustrated either.

02:28:31.000 No.

02:28:31.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 We want to provide.

02:28:34.000 It's also really quality stuff.

02:28:36.000 Like what we're trying to put together is quality stuff.

02:28:38.000 Dude, this hoodie is...

02:28:39.000 Would have been great if it had sleeves.

02:28:41.000 It did.

02:28:42.000 Why do you do that?

02:28:43.000 This morning.

02:28:44.000 Why are you into hacking off sleeves?

02:28:46.000 I don't understand that.

02:28:47.000 Sleeves are kryptonite.

02:28:49.000 They get in the way?

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:51.000 But you have sleeves in that t-shirt.

02:28:52.000 Yeah, but they're lighter.

02:28:54.000 Oh, I see.

02:28:55.000 But sometimes you hack those off too.

02:28:56.000 Yeah, sometimes.

02:28:57.000 Yeah, I don't. 0.99

02:28:58.000 Who the fuck does that? 0.99

02:28:59.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:29:00.000 You're the only guy I know that chops sleeves off of his shirts.

02:29:04.000 Have you always done that?

02:29:05.000 Didn't Rocky do that?

02:29:07.000 Bert's doing it.

02:29:08.000 That's his new thing for the summer.

02:29:09.000 Bert?

02:29:10.000 Yeah.

02:29:10.000 Okay.

02:29:11.000 Oh, he stole it from you.

02:29:11.000 So Rocky and Bert.

02:29:12.000 You should start taking your shirt off.

02:29:14.000 Remember Rocky had like a half shirt in Apollo when they're running on the beach?

02:29:18.000 That was the last time a half shirt was manly.

02:29:21.000 So anyway, they influenced me when I was a kid.

02:29:25.000 Crop top?

02:29:26.000 Crop top, yeah.

02:29:27.000 Do you think crop tops are coming back?

02:29:29.000 There's a popular NFL running back that wears one.

02:29:32.000 Wow, that's a good way to get attention.

02:29:34.000 Isn't there a guy who also plays baseball and wears pearls?

02:29:38.000 I don't know.

02:29:39.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 There's Apollo.

02:29:40.000 Yeah, look at him.

02:29:41.000 Apollo.

02:29:43.000 See, where are those sleeves?

02:29:45.000 Shorts are a little short.

02:29:47.000 No, those shorts are perfect.

02:29:50.000 I loved him in Kathy Gilmore.

02:29:51.000 That's my outfit.

02:29:52.000 Rocky didn't even have it on.

02:29:54.000 It was Apollo wearing it.

02:29:55.000 Oh, that's right.

02:29:55.000 Why did I think it was Rocky?

02:29:57.000 In my mind, it was Rocky.

02:29:59.000 But Rocky had a yellow one on at some time.

02:30:01.000 Oh, there he goes.

02:30:02.000 He's got a crop top there. 1.00

02:30:03.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:30:04.000 Look at that. 0.99

02:30:04.000 Look at those abs, though. 0.99

02:30:05.000 Oh, he was jacked.

02:30:06.000 So if you looked like that, wouldn't you wear that? 0.88

02:30:09.000 No.

02:30:11.000 No.

02:30:12.000 If you danced for Chippendales?

02:30:13.000 Look at Prince.

02:30:14.000 Look at the one with Prince.

02:30:15.000 Where's that?

02:30:16.000 Right there. 0.99

02:30:17.000 Damn, Prince looking pretty fly. 1.00

02:30:18.000 He looks jacked, too. 1.00

02:30:20.000 Shredded. 0.96

02:30:21.000 Yeah, Prince was in shape, man.

02:30:22.000 He was like 5'1", though, wasn't he?

02:30:24.000 Well, that's all he can do.

02:30:26.000 He can't grow anymore.

02:30:27.000 Oh, okay.

02:30:28.000 But 4-5-1, he was in great shape.

02:30:29.000 Well, I'm not too much over 5-1, actually, if we're being honest.

02:30:35.000 Yeah.

02:30:35.000 The crop top is not coming back.

02:30:37.000 I'm going to say that.

02:30:38.000 I'm going to make a statement.

02:30:39.000 You can't prove that.

02:30:40.000 I brought back the fanny pack.

02:30:41.000 You did.

02:30:42.000 The fanny pack's back.

02:30:42.000 Yeah.

02:30:43.000 I'm gonna tell you people, a lot of people out there want to take credit for the fanny pack? 0.97

02:30:47.000 I was on the fucking front lines since the 90s. 0.97

02:30:50.000 I never gave up on the fanny pack. 1.00

02:30:52.000 See?

02:30:52.000 Zeke.

02:30:53.000 Oh! 0.60

02:30:55.000 Crop top.

02:30:55.000 Crop top suit.

02:30:57.000 Nice.

02:30:57.000 Yeah, it doesn't look as good there as like over there.

02:30:59.000 Like on the field?

02:31:00.000 Yeah, on the field.

02:31:01.000 Oh, wow.

02:31:02.000 Well, he's pretty jacked.

02:31:03.000 He wants to just show off those abs.

02:31:04.000 Yeah.

02:31:05.000 But it's also a good way to get people to pay attention to you, right?

02:31:08.000 Ohio State, when he was running back there, he ran all over the Ducks in the National Championship game.

02:31:13.000 I went to that game.

02:31:14.000 Who's the dude that wears the pearls?

02:31:16.000 There's a baseball player that wears pearls.

02:31:18.000 There's no way.

02:31:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:31:21.000 I haven't heard that.

02:31:22.000 Yeah, he's like a major league player.

02:31:24.000 Chuck Peterson.

02:31:25.000 Yeah, he wears pearls.

02:31:26.000 Oh.

02:31:29.000 Why?

02:31:29.000 Because it's a good way to get people to pay attention to them.

02:31:32.000 Look, we're talking about it.

02:31:33.000 That's like my grandma's pearl necklace.

02:31:36.000 Look at them, wearing pearls.

02:31:36.000 Huh.

02:31:37.000 Maybe, yeah, it's got to be a superstition thing.

02:31:39.000 Baseball players are known for superstitions.

02:31:42.000 Right, that's true.

02:31:43.000 At first I thought it was maybe puka shells, which, puka shells are sick. 0.97

02:31:47.000 Is it a pearl, is it a thing that's a superstition, or is it just a...

02:31:52.000 I'm going to do something different if I was to say that.

02:31:55.000 I want to do something really different.

02:31:56.000 Yeah, he's just trying to get some attention.

02:31:58.000 Smart!

02:31:59.000 We're paying attention!

02:32:00.000 No!

02:32:00.000 We're talking about it!

02:32:01.000 For attention!

02:32:02.000 It's a good move if you want to get extra...

02:32:04.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:32:05.000 He's just a bad bitch. 1.00

02:32:06.000 There's no story, just a bad bitch. 1.00

02:32:08.000 Yeah, he says, I saw the pearls and like, you know what? 0.99

02:32:11.000 That looks cool.

02:32:13.000 That there's no story. 1.00

02:32:15.000 He's just a bad bitch. 1.00

02:32:17.000 And it's a mystery for everyone. 1.00

02:32:19.000 They'll never know.

02:32:20.000 Well, they know now, bro.

02:32:22.000 You talk about it, they know. 1.00

02:32:23.000 If you just shut the fuck up, they wouldn't know. 0.99

02:32:26.000 But now you tell everybody that you're trying to give them a mystery. 0.99

02:32:29.000 Well, there's no more mystery.

02:32:29.000 It's Jamie just figured out David Blaine's magic trick right there.

02:32:33.000 Well, what should you say if they ask them?

02:32:34.000 Because they're going to ask.

02:32:35.000 Like, hey, bro, what's up with that necklace?

02:32:36.000 Just not saying.

02:32:37.000 What necklace?

02:32:38.000 I like it.

02:32:39.000 Just say I like it. 1.00

02:32:40.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:32:41.000 They're definitely going to ask. 1.00

02:32:42.000 Big Dick Energy.

02:32:43.000 Yeah, Big Dick Energy.

02:32:44.000 Just wearing them pearls.

02:32:46.000 It is funny, though, that pearls are a jewelry that's specifically to women.

02:32:50.000 Other than that, dude.

02:32:52.000 Because, in general, a lot of guys wear diamonds.

02:32:56.000 Especially wrappers.

02:32:58.000 God, they love diamonds.

02:33:00.000 They have crazy diamonds.

02:33:01.000 Definitely.

02:33:02.000 Not pearls.

02:33:03.000 No?

02:33:04.000 No.

02:33:04.000 Yeah, it's kind of pretty sexist, actually.

02:33:07.000 A little bit.

02:33:08.000 Yeah, I feel kind of offended.

02:33:09.000 It's a jewel for whatever reason.

02:33:11.000 I can't think of it because it looks like loads.

02:33:13.000 I think that's what it is.

02:33:15.000 Pearl necklace, like the term pearl necklace.

02:33:17.000 That's true.

02:33:18.000 Except Rocky's wearing one.

02:33:20.000 Oh, look at that.

02:33:22.000 It's spreading around.

02:33:23.000 But when did they start doing this? 0.99

02:33:26.000 Damn, those are big pearls. 0.99

02:33:28.000 That looks actually pretty good. 0.99

02:33:29.000 Yeah.

02:33:30.000 I don't know about good.

02:33:32.000 It's gotta be some jewelry guy that just talks him into buying it.

02:33:35.000 But I mean, how many guys are wearing, like, gold chains and diamond chains on my neck? 1.00

02:33:41.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:33:42.000 You know Flossie Carter? 1.00

02:33:43.000 You know the guy on YouTube?

02:33:45.000 I follow Flossie Carter.

02:33:47.000 Flossie Carter, he's an electronics guy.

02:33:50.000 He's into cell phones.

02:33:52.000 He does these amazing cell phone reviews.

02:33:54.000 But he wears the craziest jewelry, diamonds all over his fingers. 1.00

02:33:58.000 But he knows his shit. 1.00

02:33:59.000 When he's reviewing, it's very entertaining. 1.00

02:34:02.000 He's very entertaining, but he's also very knowledgeable.

02:34:05.000 Go to Flossie's Instagram, there's a photo of him.

02:34:11.000 He's like eating dinner and he's got, I don't know, looks like a Mr. T starter kit. 0.99

02:34:16.000 He's got like fucking 20... 0.99

02:34:17.000 Has that ever happened in bow hunting? 1.00

02:34:20.000 No.

02:34:20.000 Look at that.

02:34:21.000 Should I wear pearls?

02:34:22.000 Look at Flossie. 0.99

02:34:23.000 Look at all those rings. 1.00

02:34:24.000 God damn. 1.00

02:34:26.000 No, that... 1.00

02:34:27.000 Look, he's got everything.

02:34:28.000 He's got them on his fingers.

02:34:29.000 He's got them on his wrists.

02:34:30.000 He's got them on his neck.

02:34:31.000 You know, people like to talk about how much they're wearing, like how much value in that that they're wearing.

02:34:37.000 That's a lot of value.

02:34:38.000 Yeah.

02:34:38.000 If those are real diamonds, I mean, that's got to be a half hundred dollars.

02:34:41.000 Because I've heard guys...

02:34:42.000 I don't know.

02:34:42.000 It could have been...

02:34:43.000 Look at that Medusa. 1.00

02:34:45.000 I'm trying to think who it was.

02:34:47.000 Was it Colby talking about he was wearing a house around his neck?

02:34:51.000 Yeah.

02:34:52.000 Was it Colby?

02:34:53.000 I know Jake Paul was doing that when he was trying to make that bet with Eddie Hearn.

02:34:56.000 He was like, I'll bet you everything I'm wearing.

02:34:57.000 Right, yeah.

02:34:58.000 Maybe that's what it was.

02:35:00.000 That makes sense.

02:35:01.000 Jake Paul would do it.

02:35:02.000 But Colby had a nice chaos necklace.

02:35:06.000 It was pretty badass.

02:35:07.000 When he got jumped by Jorge Masvidal, didn't he break his Rolex wash that's covered in diamonds?

02:35:15.000 I think he scratched it.

02:35:17.000 I was going to look that up.

02:35:18.000 That's the claim.

02:35:19.000 It's being damaged and that's part of the defense.

02:35:22.000 They get to look at it and find out if it happened.

02:35:26.000 What if they find out if it's not even real diamonds?

02:35:28.000 The claim is that it's not a Rolex.

02:35:29.000 It's called a Frankenstein, whatever that means.

02:35:32.000 That's what the article said.

02:35:34.000 What does it mean?

02:35:34.000 What is a Frankenstein?

02:35:37.000 Must be a knockoff.

02:35:38.000 Probably made of pieces like it.

02:35:40.000 Like maybe it was a broken one.

02:35:41.000 I honestly have no idea.

02:35:42.000 I'm trying to guess what it meant.

02:35:43.000 I thought maybe you knew.

02:35:44.000 A Frankenstein.

02:35:44.000 I've never heard that.

02:35:45.000 Let's look at that Chaos necklace.

02:35:47.000 Because I was thinking about getting one.

02:35:49.000 You going to get one to support him?

02:35:52.000 No, Endure.

02:35:53.000 I'll get an Endure one.

02:35:54.000 Oh, Endure.

02:35:55.000 Yeah, there it is.

02:35:56.000 Chaos.

02:35:56.000 Yeah.

02:35:56.000 Oh, it's got a crown too.

02:35:58.000 See, that looks kind of sick, doesn't it?

02:35:59.000 No.

02:36:00.000 Would you wear that?

02:36:01.000 Nope.

02:36:03.000 No.

02:36:03.000 I don't even wear a ring.

02:36:04.000 I mean, I have a rubber ring on.

02:36:06.000 I have a rubber wedding ring.

02:36:07.000 Oh, actually, this is Michael Chandler's company.

02:36:09.000 Oh, okay.

02:36:10.000 So, shout out to Michael Chandler's company.

02:36:12.000 It's Groove.

02:36:13.000 Groove life.

02:36:13.000 Yeah.

02:36:13.000 Groove ring.

02:36:14.000 Yeah.

02:36:14.000 They make good rings and they make a great belt, too.

02:36:18.000 I got a groove belt at home, too.

02:36:20.000 But this ring, this is like silicone.

02:36:22.000 Yeah.

02:36:22.000 This is the best for, like, because I lift it today.

02:36:25.000 Right.

02:36:25.000 You can lift, you know, you have to take it off.

02:36:26.000 You don't even notice it's on.

02:36:28.000 Yeah.

02:36:28.000 And it's like super, super durable.

02:36:30.000 Nice.

02:36:30.000 Well, good shout out to Chandler.

02:36:33.000 Shout out to Michael Chandler.

02:36:34.000 The defense believes that Covington's timepiece is a Frankenstein watch and doesn't hold as much value as an authentic Rolex.

02:36:41.000 This would have a direct impact on a second charge of criminal mischief against Game Bread.

02:36:46.000 What does that mean?

02:36:47.000 I don't know.

02:36:47.000 Because it wasn't worth as much and it got damaged?

02:36:50.000 Yeah, but it says a Frankenstein watch that doesn't hold as much value as an authentic Rolex.

02:36:55.000 It's either a fake Rolex.

02:36:58.000 So it says up there $95,000 Rolex.

02:37:01.000 Right.

02:37:02.000 So how much does a Frankenstein Rolex cost?

02:37:04.000 What does that mean?

02:37:05.000 What is a Frankenstein watch?

02:37:07.000 Is it okay to own one?

02:37:08.000 Many enthusiasts thumb their noses at unoriginal watches, but they do have their upsides.

02:37:15.000 I don't understand what's going on here.

02:37:17.000 Let's see.

02:37:19.000 My guess is that you buy a used one and you fix a couple pieces on it.

02:37:22.000 Well, it says it right there.

02:37:23.000 It says a watch, oh, a watch that isn't in original condition or possibly has fake components, but that's turned into something of a misnomer.

02:37:31.000 To me, a Frankenstein watch, a Franken-watch is cobbled together with often real but not necessary correct parts, says Nick Pardo.

02:37:40.000 Previously a vintage watch expert at analog shift, which specializes in excessively priced timepieces.

02:37:47.000 So you have a dial from one model, hands from another, and it's built up from random parts.

02:37:54.000 Huh.

02:37:55.000 Okay.

02:37:56.000 So instead of, like, if you've got an expensive watch that's correct, has the correct bezel and the correct band, like it's got a different band and a different bezel or something like that.

02:38:06.000 Speaking of elitist, come on.

02:38:09.000 It's all Rolex, right?

02:38:10.000 Yeah, I guess.

02:38:11.000 Unless it's not.

02:38:12.000 Yeah.

02:38:13.000 I mean, what is it?

02:38:13.000 I don't know.

02:38:14.000 You're not going to put a Casio hands on that, are you?

02:38:18.000 Maybe it will.

02:38:19.000 There's a whole market for custom Seikos.

02:38:22.000 They mod Seikos. 0.99

02:38:24.000 I have a modded Seiko.

02:38:25.000 I have a Seiko that I got from this dude in Toronto, or in Kemp.

02:38:29.000 Vancouver? 0.98

02:38:30.000 Where the fuck is he? 0.99

02:38:31.000 But he modded it for me. 0.99

02:38:34.000 There's a whole community that takes Seikos and they'll put a different bezel on it. 1.00

02:38:40.000 They do a different dial.

02:38:42.000 The dial on mine, the face of the dial is made out of meteorite.

02:38:47.000 They take a slice of meteorite and use that to make the dial.

02:38:51.000 It's pretty dope.

02:38:52.000 That reminds me, did you get that knife made of mammoth tusk?

02:38:56.000 Yes, I did.

02:38:56.000 Yeah.

02:38:57.000 Pretty badass, huh?

02:38:57.000 Yeah, it's pretty badass.

02:38:58.000 Yeah.

02:38:59.000 The handles made out of mammoth tusk.

02:39:00.000 Who made that?

02:39:02.000 Outfit up in Alaska.

02:39:03.000 It's like 80K knives, I think.

02:39:05.000 Hmm.

02:39:06.000 Yeah.

02:39:06.000 Give them a shout out.

02:39:07.000 Yeah.

02:39:08.000 Super cool knife, though.

02:39:09.000 But they sent us both one.

02:39:11.000 Yeah, and this box that you sent me?

02:39:13.000 Yeah.

02:39:15.000 This comes with a whole kit here.

02:39:19.000 Yeah, it does.

02:39:20.000 I got this sitting here, this book, this Cameron Haynes Endure book.

02:39:25.000 Yeah.

02:39:25.000 When you get it.

02:39:26.000 Can anybody get this other package?

02:39:28.000 No.

02:39:28.000 So this is just me?

02:39:29.000 Just, yeah, pretty much.

02:39:30.000 Oh, look, ladies and gentlemen.

02:39:32.000 Don't be jealous.

02:39:33.000 Yeah.

02:39:33.000 But I got a whole box in here.

02:39:37.000 Yeah.

02:39:37.000 And there's a book, and there's an Endure.

02:39:39.000 Look at this.

02:39:40.000 I got an Endure book.

02:39:41.000 Ooh, but I won't need this because I'm going to read it all in one sitting. 0.97

02:39:44.000 I'm just going to take some Adderall and fucking bang through this book. 0.64

02:39:47.000 And then what is this? 0.98

02:39:48.000 This is an arrowhead? 0.99

02:39:49.000 What is this fucking thing? 0.99

02:39:50.000 The patch? 1.00

02:39:50.000 What is this? 1.00

02:39:51.000 Yeah, patch.

02:39:52.000 So if you have some Velcro?

02:39:53.000 Yeah, those only went out to select you and Kim Kardashian got that. 1.00

02:39:57.000 Oh, Kim probably gave it to Pete Davidson trying to make him more manly. 0.93

02:40:03.000 Pete, it's time to step up your game.

02:40:04.000 I hope it works.

02:40:06.000 And then this, Montana Knife Company.

02:40:08.000 Yeah, that's a cool knife.

02:40:09.000 Did they make an Endure knife?

02:40:10.000 Yeah.

02:40:11.000 It's a specific knife?

02:40:12.000 Yeah, check it out.

02:40:13.000 Oh, let me get in here. 0.93

02:40:14.000 Josh at Montana Knife Company.

02:40:15.000 Oh, look at that.

02:40:17.000 Yeah.

02:40:18.000 Does it say Endure anything?

02:40:19.000 Oh, it does?

02:40:20.000 It says Endure.

02:40:21.000 Yeah, how sweet's that?

02:40:23.000 So that's a company, it's like, you gotta, I mean, how could you not want to support somebody like Josh and a company like that?

02:40:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:31.000 Well, first of all, super quality stuff.

02:40:33.000 Oh, amazing knives!

02:40:34.000 And we used their knives last year to break down that bull in Utah.

02:40:37.000 Yeah.

02:40:38.000 Incredible workmanship and just the quality of the knife.

02:40:42.000 And then, on top of all that, the people.

02:40:45.000 So yeah, he signed on for that.

02:40:49.000 Those are like the VIP packages for the books.

02:40:51.000 And he made those Enduro knives.

02:40:54.000 Fancy.

02:40:54.000 I love fancy things.

02:40:56.000 You've got to make a splash.

02:40:57.000 I know.

02:40:57.000 I love exclusive things.

02:40:59.000 People like me don't make New York Times bestseller lists.

02:41:02.000 Maybe you do.

02:41:03.000 Maybe you make it with this.

02:41:04.000 We've got to pull it out of the stops.

02:41:06.000 Hasn't someone on this podcast complained that their book didn't get on the New York Times seller list even though they sold enough copies to be on the New York Times bestseller list?

02:41:13.000 Who was that?

02:41:15.000 It might have been Brett Weinstein.

02:41:17.000 No, you know who I think it might have been?

02:41:20.000 Or Jordan Peterson.

02:41:20.000 Yes.

02:41:21.000 Was it?

02:41:22.000 Twelve Rules for Life, I think, sold, like, these amazing amount of copies and didn't make it somehow.

02:41:28.000 So they say it's more subjective.

02:41:31.000 Ooh, that's weird.

02:41:32.000 But, like, let's see, some small-town redneck bowhunter? 0.92

02:41:37.000 Doesn't really fit in with that crowd, does it?

02:41:40.000 Well, we're going to find out.

02:41:41.000 We're going to find out.

02:41:42.000 Jordan Peterson's book is a bestseller, except where it matters most.

02:41:45.000 Right.

02:41:46.000 Controversial author Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life fails to crack the New York Times' prestigious bestseller list.

02:41:51.000 We set out to find out why.

02:41:53.000 Right.

02:41:54.000 I wonder what Deborah Dundas found out.

02:41:57.000 Yeah, how does that make sense?

02:41:58.000 I don't know.

02:41:59.000 Yeah, so is it a bestseller, or where's the subjective part come in?

02:42:04.000 I think they just decide that someone's problematic, and they don't like what they stand for.

02:42:08.000 Maybe.

02:42:09.000 You know, it's like...

02:42:10.000 Everybody's just so quick to be... 0.98

02:42:15.000 Not just judge, but to fucking just cast someone out of the kingdom forever. 0.96

02:42:20.000 I don't want to have anything to do with that person. 0.99

02:42:22.000 That person's a bad person.

02:42:25.000 They have bad ideas.

02:42:26.000 I don't like their ideas.

02:42:27.000 And they don't even listen to him.

02:42:28.000 He's like the most misrepresented person I think I've ever encountered.

02:42:34.000 I have a hard time not listening to him and going, God dang, this guy's smart.

02:42:38.000 Whenever you say, God dang, this guy's smart, it makes people hard to listen to you.

02:42:44.000 Okay, how should I say it?

02:42:46.000 Gosh, golly.

02:42:47.000 Gee whiz, he's smart.

02:42:49.000 No, but how do you listen to him and try to discredit him at all?

02:42:53.000 Well, I mean, he says goofy things sometimes like we all do.

02:42:56.000 You know, when you're forming sentences and you're speaking in real time like we're doing right now.

02:43:01.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:43:02.000 I do that.

02:43:03.000 I look... 1.00

02:43:03.000 I say if you wanted to like cherry-pick stupid shit I've said, you're gonna have a fucking great time. 1.00

02:43:08.000 Field day. 1.00

02:43:08.000 Because I've said a lot of dumb shit. 1.00

02:43:10.000 But it's just because I'm thinking and talking in real time. 1.00

02:43:13.000 Right.

02:43:14.000 Over hours and hours and hours of shows.

02:43:16.000 Remember when this used to be live?

02:43:17.000 Oh my god, yeah.

02:43:19.000 That's some pressure.

02:43:19.000 The problem with that is that people are profiting off of it.

02:43:21.000 They were stealing the content and making these YouTube pages with Hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

02:43:27.000 It was wild to watch.

02:43:28.000 I was like, there's businesses were popping up where they were stealing content and getting ad revenue.

02:43:33.000 I was like, this is strange.

02:43:35.000 Yeah.

02:43:35.000 Well, I think this is a good opportunity for the New York Times bestseller list to turn over a new leaf.

02:43:41.000 Well, I don't think your book is something that they're going to have a problem with.

02:43:46.000 Your book is basically something that, regardless of your political ideology, this is all about mindset and hard work and a person who's endured a lot in life.

02:43:58.000 And I think everyone can benefit from it.

02:44:00.000 I mean, I know a lot of people that are very progressive and left-wing and they love the content that you put out.

02:44:06.000 They love what you say.

02:44:07.000 Because, look at that.

02:44:09.000 Number one new release. 1.00

02:44:11.000 Oh shit! 0.98

02:44:12.000 It's already the number one new release. 1.00

02:44:15.000 Already.

02:44:15.000 But in business and self-improvement.

02:44:18.000 That's incredible.

02:44:19.000 That's really good.

02:44:20.000 That's not really my jam.

02:44:22.000 That's amazing that it's number one already.

02:44:25.000 And it hasn't even come out yet.

02:44:26.000 This is all just pre-sale.

02:44:28.000 Yeah.

02:44:28.000 And also this podcast hasn't come out yet.

02:44:31.000 And it's still number one. 0.98

02:44:32.000 That's fucking incredible. 0.99

02:44:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:44:35.000 Cameron Haynes, gonna make that goddamn New York Times bestseller list. 0.99

02:44:39.000 And we're gonna celebrate. 0.97

02:44:40.000 I owe a lot of that credit to you.

02:44:43.000 I owe a lot to you, my friend.

02:44:44.000 You have inspired me.

02:44:46.000 You've been a great friend.

02:44:48.000 And you taught me how to bow hunt.

02:44:51.000 That's changed so much of my life, you know?

02:44:55.000 And it's enriched my life and a lot of other people's too.

02:45:00.000 Well, I mean, it's been an honor to be your friend.

02:45:03.000 It's been an honor to be yours as well.

02:45:04.000 Thank you. 0.99

02:45:05.000 Let's end on that little wishy-washy shit. 0.98

02:45:08.000 Young Jamie, it's an honor to know you too. 0.99

02:45:10.000 Yeah, love you, Jamie.

02:45:10.000 Thank you, I love you both.

02:45:11.000 Aw, we love you too.

02:45:12.000 Oh, God.

02:45:13.000 Aw.

02:45:13.000 This has never ended so sweet.

02:45:15.000 Let's end it now before we fuck it up. 0.80

02:45:18.000 All right, Endure, it's available.

02:45:20.000 As you listen to this or see this, it's available right now.

02:45:23.000 Please go out and get it.

02:45:24.000 It's fucking awesome. 0.85

02:45:25.000 And I wrote the forward. 0.96

02:45:26.000 All right.

02:45:27.000 Goodbye, everybody.

02:45:28.000 Thanks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 17, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1819 - Cameron Hanes

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