The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1833 - Tim Kennedy

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00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

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00:00:12.000 Your stand-up was the first one I've been to in probably 10 years.

00:00:17.000 Oh, at the Vulcan?

00:00:19.000 Yeah.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, that's a great place, isn't it?

00:00:20.000 There's rad.

00:00:21.000 Yeah, it's a fun little spot.

00:00:23.000 Everybody was cool.

00:00:26.000 It's weird that it's on 6th Street, but...

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 Yeah, my place is too.

00:00:29.000 We up?

00:00:31.000 Yeah, 6th Street is a unique spot.

00:00:34.000 Yeah.

00:00:35.000 They're doing some stuff to try to, you know, clean it up a little bit, and they got rid of that homeless situation.

00:00:41.000 There was like a crazy homeless encampment that was really close to that.

00:00:45.000 They got rid of that, so...

00:00:48.000 Austin's a unique place. 1.00

00:00:49.000 There's a lot of wild shit in this town. 0.99

00:00:52.000 Amazing stuff and really weird stuff. 1.00

00:00:54.000 Yeah.

00:00:55.000 It's a great combination, though, and it's a great size.

00:00:57.000 You know, you were one of the people that early on got me thinking about Austin because you were always ranting about it, about how great it is here.

00:01:04.000 I should have kept my mouth closed.

00:01:05.000 You should have kept your mouth closed.

00:01:06.000 Because then when you came here, everybody, they're like, Where's Joe at?

00:01:09.000 Oh, just moved to Austin. 0.80

00:01:11.000 I was like, you shut your mouth.

00:01:12.000 We're on a flight last night coming back, and the Southwest person, who obviously lives in Austin, they stopped in Austin and flew to San Diego.

00:01:22.000 And he's like, and everybody that is going home to visit in San Diego, please stay.

00:01:26.000 Like, he said that over the intercom on a Southwest flight, and I was like, I like this guy.

00:01:31.000 Well, it's like the secret's out, but the barrier to entry is high.

00:01:36.000 It's hard to move to a new city.

00:01:38.000 It's a lot. 0.99

00:01:39.000 And then, on top of that, it's hard to find a fucking house here. 0.98

00:01:41.000 Everybody I know that finds a house here, they get outbid. 0.99

00:01:45.000 Like, you gotta bid more than the house costs.

00:01:47.000 It's like they're making this little sneaky move where, like, save the house, if it's listed for 500 grand, you gotta offer six.

00:01:53.000 Yeah.

00:01:53.000 Because if you don't, someone is gonna do that, and then you're not gonna make it.

00:01:56.000 I've been trying to buy land, and I keep...

00:01:59.000 I mean, and I'm coming in high well over, and then, you know...

00:02:03.000 Still losing out.

00:02:04.000 The realtors I cast.

00:02:05.000 Somebody from California just paid cash and came 30% over. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Motherfuckers. 1.00

00:02:09.000 Yeah, it's wild out here. 1.00

00:02:11.000 And they're building out here like crazy, too.

00:02:14.000 When you get out towards Round Rock and out in that area, there's just constant construction.

00:02:20.000 I'm in Cedar Park.

00:02:21.000 That's where our headquarters is.

00:02:23.000 If you're in Austin, Cedar Park was the absolute hillbill north.

00:02:29.000 And now it's just North Austin.

00:02:31.000 Everything is just slowly...

00:02:33.000 Still so small.

00:02:34.000 In comparison to LA, every time I go back to LA, I'm like... 1.00

00:02:37.000 Fuck this. 0.99

00:02:39.000 How did I live here? 1.00

00:02:40.000 I'm so much more relaxed here.

00:02:44.000 Unfortunately, we're talking about it again. 0.98

00:02:46.000 We're fucking it up. 0.99

00:02:47.000 Dang it! 0.99

00:02:48.000 You look good.

00:02:49.000 Thank you.

00:02:50.000 Healthy?

00:02:50.000 Working out?

00:02:51.000 Training?

00:02:51.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 Grappling?

00:02:53.000 No.

00:02:53.000 I'm trying to heal a knee.

00:02:55.000 I have a knee issue right now.

00:02:56.000 I was working out and doing some Muay Thai, and I just...

00:03:01.000 Even though it hurts, I still kick with it.

00:03:03.000 And then it was starting to swell, and so now I've been going to Brigham at Ways to Well and getting it shot up.

00:03:09.000 Dude, he's great.

00:03:10.000 He's great.

00:03:10.000 Ways to Well is awesome.

00:03:11.000 Right now it's good.

00:03:12.000 Doesn't hurt at all.

00:03:13.000 So I'm going to give it a couple of months and really do all the knees over toes stuff and try to rehabilitate it without getting an MRI because I don't want to know what's going on in there.

00:03:21.000 I just did six months of that program.

00:03:23.000 Yeah?

00:03:23.000 Yeah.

00:03:24.000 And it makes a big difference.

00:03:26.000 Oh my god, yeah.

00:03:27.000 It's not fun though.

00:03:29.000 What part's not fun?

00:03:31.000 It's obviously mobility and you're focusing on circulation in the knee.

00:03:36.000 So it's not good for the ego.

00:03:38.000 It's not fun for the ego because the weight that you're doing for the squats in that style of squatting to have your knees over your toes is way less than if I was going to be a meathead and go and squat.

00:03:49.000 You know, doing the lunges, it's trying to get that deep, deep forward lunge to get the knee all the way of the toe and then all the sled pulls and all the sled pushes and it's just like, golly, can I just do some athlete things?

00:04:02.000 You know, I know it's healing, so I'm going to be a better athlete, but it's still not fun.

00:04:06.000 It does change.

00:04:07.000 It remaps your knee.

00:04:08.000 It really does.

00:04:09.000 It changes the structure.

00:04:11.000 Like, it doesn't feel as loose anymore.

00:04:13.000 Everything feels, like, more rigid and strong and secure.

00:04:15.000 I just...

00:04:16.000 I'm avoiding...

00:04:17.000 I have a...

00:04:18.000 I've had meniscus taken out of this knee, and I'm worried about, you know, cartilage damage.

00:04:24.000 And that's what I'm worried that this injury is, because it's just...

00:04:27.000 It's strangely, like, sharp.

00:04:30.000 Yeah.

00:04:30.000 And not getting better.

00:04:31.000 And so, I'm hoping that...

00:04:34.000 Stem cells and peptides.

00:04:36.000 That'll do it.

00:04:36.000 That's the combo.

00:04:37.000 Well, what I'm really...

00:04:38.000 Yeah, I'm hoping that'll do it.

00:04:40.000 But I just have to not be a meathead.

00:04:42.000 This is what I do.

00:04:43.000 I get the stem cells.

00:04:44.000 I feel pretty good after four weeks.

00:04:45.000 Start crushing the bag again.

00:04:47.000 And then, you know, I kind of aggravate it one more time.

00:04:49.000 Yep.

00:04:50.000 I have the mats that I'm on right now.

00:04:54.000 A level of killer that I've never imagined existing in names that I didn't even know.

00:05:00.000 Oh, the Donaher Death Squad?

00:05:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:03.000 Everybody that came here.

00:05:04.000 And everybody's training at Roka right now.

00:05:06.000 That's right.

00:05:06.000 Shout out to Roka.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, Rob's been really rad.

00:05:12.000 Three workouts a day on those mats.

00:05:14.000 That's amazing.

00:05:15.000 So cool.

00:05:16.000 Yes, you know, you have...

00:05:17.000 Oh, this guy's a two-time Olympic gold medalist.

00:05:21.000 What's up?

00:05:22.000 You know, hey, Satoshi.

00:05:23.000 And as he mauls me, like, we're in the cage right here at Onnit, and Satoshi is just beating me up, and then Roy McDonald getting ready for this fight, beating me up.

00:05:31.000 You know, GSP's traveling in, and then obviously, like, Gordon, and the Sean G. Ribeiro team at Six Blades, not but three miles away.

00:05:38.000 You have the B team with Craig Jones.

00:05:39.000 So, like, one through 20, the best grapplers on the planet are in Austin.

00:05:44.000 And the check mat guys are here. 0.71

00:05:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:46.000 The Brazilian factory. 1.00

00:05:48.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

00:05:49.000 Tacket kids. 1.00

00:05:50.000 It's amazing how many good grapplers are here in this town.

00:05:53.000 All of them.

00:05:54.000 It's amazing.

00:05:54.000 A lot of them, yeah.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:05:57.000 Eddie Bravo's thinking about coming here too.

00:05:59.000 He just doesn't want to overcrowd it because there's already a 10th planet right here.

00:06:03.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:06:03.000 But every time he comes, he's like, fuck, I want to come here. 0.97

00:06:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:06.000 There's room. 1.00

00:06:07.000 I think so too. 1.00

00:06:08.000 There's fucking 2 million people. 1.00

00:06:10.000 That's plenty of room. 1.00

00:06:12.000 Give or take 10 miles, you can open a new gym.

00:06:15.000 Yeah, I think so too.

00:06:16.000 And there's a lot of spots, especially if you want to head towards Dripping and that area.

00:06:22.000 Dripping's open.

00:06:23.000 I just opened my gym in Cedar Park, so there was...

00:06:29.000 Ten miles, Sanjay Ribeiro is the closest, you know, kind of big gym, and Six Blades, and that was on 183, so he was, you know, it's a 20-minute, 15-minute drive to him.

00:06:39.000 Nobody's gonna...

00:06:40.000 Right.

00:06:40.000 Somebody over there is gonna pick that gym.

00:06:41.000 Somebody over here is gonna pick this gym. 0.98

00:06:43.000 There's enough for everybody out there.

00:06:44.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 There's enough for everybody.

00:06:46.000 Tell me what you're doing with Sheepdog.

00:06:47.000 Like, what is your Sheepdog response courses?

00:06:49.000 What are those?

00:06:52.000 In light of everything that's been happening, I mean, I've been screaming from every building I can get on that, you know, we need to prepare America for what is happening now.

00:07:02.000 And so she dug response, like the company mission statement is to train and equip people to preserve and protect human life.

00:07:08.000 With that in mind, we do everything from fighting, shooting, and medical to try and make sure everybody that comes to those courses, teachers, law enforcement, all of them get the basic fundamentals of really the things about saving life.

00:07:26.000 And we have been, I mean, Sheepdog Response, we have, I think, 180 or 210 courses this year.

00:07:32.000 And if you go to the website right now, it's like, sold out, sold out.

00:07:35.000 Like, I can't, I'm not going to lower the quality of training because everybody needs to know the right things.

00:07:40.000 As we look at Uvalde and the lack of training and the response and the broken systems and all the things that went wrong in there, you know, I'm like...

00:07:51.000 I literally teach every single day what the answer is to all of this, and you can only train so many people in a year.

00:07:58.000 I think you definitely can only train so many people in a year, and it's also taking a long time for people to come to grips with the only solution.

00:08:07.000 You have to be able to protect yourself.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 Well, I mean, that's the responsive reactive side of it, which is really important.

00:08:15.000 You know, we have to make our schools hard targets.

00:08:17.000 We have to get individuals to be responsible and be able to protect themselves.

00:08:22.000 Our basic entry course for teachers...

00:08:25.000 And for everyone, it's called Protector.

00:08:27.000 It's Protector One course.

00:08:29.000 And we shoot, we fight how to keep blood in the body, you know, like tourniquets, packing wounds, and then the biggest part is situational awareness.

00:08:39.000 And that's all preventative actions where I see something that could be going wrong.

00:08:46.000 But I'd prefer to go upstream to the root cause of what is causing some of this violence, you know, mental health and these broken young men, and try to fix the individual.

00:08:58.000 So we don't, we have to do all these things with our schools.

00:09:01.000 You know, I've been writing nonstop since these last shootings have been happening, you know, and like the four D's about how to make a school a hard target.

00:09:10.000 What are the four D's?

00:09:12.000 We have detection, denial entry, you have deterrence, and then you actually have defend.

00:09:17.000 So of those things, identifying what a problem is, and trying to deter from the outside, limited entry.

00:09:28.000 You know, how our headquarters are set up, it's difficult to get in here, it doesn't look like a place I want to try and get in the you know, the the bushes are the landscaping is in a way where I'm not going to have access to the windows.

00:09:39.000 In my building, when you come to the front door and you get let in, you're in a kill box.

00:09:44.000 You get let into a lobby, and in that lobby, you can't get past the lobby.

00:09:49.000 In the lobby, there's somebody that will let you into the next room, and you're stuck there unless somebody lets you in.

00:09:57.000 The defend is obviously the last course of action where teachers or law enforcement are going to be protecting their kids.

00:10:05.000 There's lots of different solutions to that.

00:10:07.000 They have Cameras that can have pepper balls in them, lasers that can blind people, but ultimately it's the individual that has to be trained to be able to protect those children.

00:10:20.000 And in that preventative model of going upstream to fix the problem, we can do two things at once.

00:10:28.000 We can make our school harder targets and we can train teachers and we can get law enforcement to respond correctly while we start talking Really about what is causing these young men to be broken.

00:10:40.000 So what do you think we can do about that?

00:10:42.000 Because without that, you know, people think guns are the problem.

00:10:47.000 And this is the narrative that we keep hearing.

00:10:49.000 We need gun control. 0.88

00:10:50.000 But there's more guns than there are people. 0.97

00:10:52.000 So it's not necessarily a gun problem because the vast majority of people, the vast, vast, vast majority would never fucking do anything like this. 0.82

00:11:00.000 It's a very, very, very, very small amount of people that are deranged and broken and would do something like this.

00:11:06.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 So how do we address that?

00:11:09.000 That is the issue.

00:11:10.000 It's a mental health issue.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, but it's a bunch of things that nobody wants to talk about.

00:11:15.000 Like what?

00:11:15.000 We're going to be throwing stones.

00:11:16.000 Hollywood, video games, social media.

00:11:19.000 It's more divisive than ever on social media.

00:11:22.000 You get in this echo chamber with your own ideas, and those echo chambers, and they're crazy ideas sometimes when you're able to curate and editorialize the feed that you get back.

00:11:30.000 So there are only people, like if I'm following, if I'm struggling, and I'm just following angry hate rhetoric, and that is just building.

00:11:39.000 And so my thoughts are then magnified and compounded by other people reaffirming my own belief system.

00:11:46.000 And in the algorithms, then they put in something that then enrages me.

00:11:51.000 So it's like bias confirmation, bias confirmation, bias confirmation.

00:11:55.000 Oh, and then here's something for me to interact with because they want us to interact.

00:11:59.000 So, you know, the more emotionally driven we are in social media, the more we participate in it and the longer that we're on it.

00:12:06.000 So those algorithms are really just dangerous.

00:12:09.000 That's one.

00:12:10.000 Hollywood, where, you know, I love Matthew McConaughey, and I love his position, and I love him as an actor, and I love what he had to say, and I love that he wants to protect schools and children.

00:12:20.000 You know, but like, how many movies has he been in where he had people on their knees and he executed them in the face? 0.97

00:12:25.000 You know, you can't be on this moral high ground and then be a hypocrite. 0.97

00:12:30.000 So, if Hollywood is perpetuating... 0.97

00:12:33.000 You know, I've never let my children practice putting somebody on their knees and shooting them or watching a move.

00:12:40.000 Has he really done that in a movie?

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 What movie has he done that in?

00:12:42.000 It was that Guy Ritchie movie.

00:12:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:45.000 The drug dealer movie.

00:12:46.000 Yeah, one of many examples.

00:12:48.000 Yeah.

00:12:48.000 You know, he's an action star and he's a great actor and I really love what he had to say and how we all do have to come together and find solutions.

00:12:57.000 You know, but if like Liam Neeson is out there being, you know, hey, we should get rid of guns, but I'm gonna take the next 10 million dollar contract for Netflix to be in the next action film, and my kill count's gonna be 110, oh man, I don't know if you can be in that position of moral authority to talk to me about what you should be doing with firearms.

00:13:14.000 Yeah, you don't hear Keanu Reeves talking about what we should do about firearms.

00:13:17.000 No, he's a great example of somebody that, you know, morally and ethically really walks the line of truth and integrity.

00:13:24.000 And he's John Wick. 0.99

00:13:26.000 I mean, you'd have to shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:13:28.000 He killed so many people. 1.00

00:13:29.000 With a pencil, he's like... 0.77

00:13:30.000 That was amazing.

00:13:32.000 I mean, he's killed people with everything in those movies.

00:13:35.000 Music, video games, all of those things.

00:13:39.000 But the video games one is an interesting one because there's arguments that video games actually...

00:13:46.000 Squash the feelings that people have of violence because they allow people to have like a cathartic release through doing these things.

00:13:54.000 Yeah.

00:13:55.000 And then there's arguments that they desensitize people.

00:13:57.000 I don't know which ones are correct.

00:13:59.000 I mean, I used to play video games a lot when I was fighting.

00:14:03.000 You know, it was, as you know, I'm not somebody that cannot do things, so I'm not good at just sitting still.

00:14:09.000 Yeah, sitting still.

00:14:10.000 So recovery for me in between workouts, you know, Greg Jackson would lock me out of a gym.

00:14:14.000 Like, you know, you can't train five times today, Tim.

00:14:17.000 Like, get out.

00:14:18.000 So I would have to do something.

00:14:20.000 And, you know, he'd be like, no, don't walk the Sandia Mountains.

00:14:23.000 You know, like, don't go up the trail.

00:14:24.000 Can you just do something?

00:14:25.000 So he was trying to just get you to recover from the training routine.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 So like video games was a way that I could just sit there, throw on, you know, The pressure cuffs on my legs or ice something while I would sit there and relax.

00:14:38.000 And what kind of games would you play?

00:14:40.000 I loved first-person shooters, you know, Call of Duties.

00:14:44.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 But being a shooter and having, you know, obviously been in combat a bunch of times...

00:14:52.000 It was artificial.

00:14:53.000 It didn't...

00:14:54.000 I still wanted to go out and shoot.

00:14:56.000 You know, shooting definitely and training and dry firing and practicing is that cathartic process like really scratches that itch of wanting to drill and train.

00:15:07.000 What I experienced was afterwards I actually had more like pent up energy, you know, because I'm doing like these all these intense things, but it's this artificial experience that I mean, like jerking off compared to going with your partner and having an amazing intimate experience.

00:15:26.000 Two totally different things. 0.73

00:15:27.000 I hate the term partner.

00:15:29.000 Thank you.

00:15:30.000 We've talked about this.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, I just...

00:15:31.000 It's not a partner.

00:15:32.000 I was...

00:15:33.000 Yeah.

00:15:33.000 Tell the story.

00:15:34.000 Oh, man.

00:15:35.000 So I'm in New York.

00:15:36.000 Last week on the book tour, I walk into a coffee shop and we're like right off Times Square.

00:15:42.000 And I walk in and I ask the barista for an oat milk cappuccino, which is my favorite beverage.

00:15:49.000 And my wife, I ask if she can have a cafe au lait with oat milk. 0.98

00:15:53.000 And the barista, and I say it just like that, I'll have an oat milk cappuccino please and my wife would like a cafe au lait. 0.66

00:15:59.000 And my wife is really shy and doesn't even like to talk to people she doesn't know to include, you know, people at a restaurant. 0.94

00:16:07.000 So she oftentimes was like, hey, will you order for me?

00:16:09.000 So I wasn't man answering for her as a feminist. 0.93

00:16:13.000 She requests it.

00:16:13.000 Yeah, she did.

00:16:14.000 And the lady corrected me calling her my wife and said, you mean partner? 0.73

00:16:20.000 No, no, this is my wife. 0.89

00:16:23.000 This is my wife.

00:16:23.000 And she would like a cafe au lait, please.

00:16:26.000 Just bonkers. 0.97

00:16:27.000 Imagine how crazy you have to be to talk to a grown man and tell him to not call your wife your wife. 0.98

00:16:33.000 That there is a correct way to announce her. 0.56

00:16:37.000 It's partner.

00:16:38.000 I didn't know what to do.

00:16:39.000 I think it's partner.

00:16:39.000 So you should do that too, Tim.

00:16:41.000 Yeah, I know.

00:16:42.000 That's the young people today. 1.00

00:16:44.000 They're out of their fucking mind. 1.00

00:16:45.000 That's what I'm worried about. 1.00

00:16:46.000 These poor fucks that are stuck in the fog of woke. 1.00

00:16:49.000 That are just trapped in these universities and they get out and they exist in these weird bubbles like LA or New York in particular. 1.00

00:16:57.000 They're dangerous. 1.00

00:16:58.000 Well, they're just nuts. 0.99

00:16:59.000 They think that that's how you're supposed to be. 0.99

00:17:02.000 Imagine correcting someone if they said, my partner.

00:17:06.000 Like, imagine if you say, I'll have a cappuccino, and my partner would like a tall black coffee.

00:17:12.000 Oh, you mean your wife.

00:17:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:14.000 That's my fucking... 1.00

00:17:15.000 I said partner. 1.00

00:17:16.000 That's the word I like.

00:17:17.000 I like partner.

00:17:18.000 I'm gonna use that one.

00:17:19.000 Imagine correcting someone there. 0.98

00:17:20.000 You'd be just as gross. 0.93

00:17:21.000 I couldn't imagine. 1.00

00:17:22.000 It's just so dumb. 1.00

00:17:23.000 Like, what do you give a fuck what he's calling... 1.00

00:17:25.000 You know what it is? 1.00

00:17:26.000 It says he's married to that lady.

00:17:28.000 He said wife.

00:17:29.000 That's how you say it.

00:17:30.000 That's how people have said it forever.

00:17:31.000 She's the boss. 0.99

00:17:32.000 So I'll literally do whatever she wants, and that's how she'd like to be referred. 1.00

00:17:35.000 Jesus Christ, people are nuts. 0.93

00:17:36.000 But just the idea that somehow or another it's better to say partner than wife, why would it be better? 0.98

00:17:41.000 Gender neutral. 1.00

00:17:42.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:17:43.000 It's a woman. 1.00

00:17:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:44.000 You're married to a woman.

00:17:45.000 Women are still okay. 1.00

00:17:46.000 It's still okay to be a woman.

00:17:47.000 Especially this one.

00:17:48.000 She, her, still alright.

00:17:49.000 You can still have that in your pronouns in your Twitter bio. 1.00

00:17:52.000 Fucking A, man. 0.99

00:17:53.000 I'm learning how all of it works still. 0.99

00:17:55.000 I don't get it.

00:17:56.000 I don't think anybody knows.

00:17:57.000 And it'll change.

00:17:58.000 It'll change with the tide.

00:17:59.000 It'll turn, and it'll go down a new road soon, and, you know, we're all going to be identified as animals.

00:18:06.000 We're all going to be foxkin. 0.95

00:18:08.000 Yeah.

00:18:09.000 I'm not ready for it.

00:18:10.000 I'm not ready for any of this.

00:18:11.000 I don't understand why anybody would think that it's okay to correct you.

00:18:15.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:18:16.000 I completely understand.

00:18:18.000 I don't like it when men say, this is my partner. 1.00

00:18:21.000 I mean, it's your fucking wife, man. 1.00

00:18:23.000 It's okay to be married. 1.00

00:18:25.000 It's okay to say wife. 0.82

00:18:27.000 It has been a nonstop attack on The vernacular verbiage that we use in every forum, in every opportunity, in Twitter, on Instagram, it's telling you, it'll populate sometimes, ask you, would you like to add your pronoun?

00:18:45.000 I don't care.

00:18:46.000 Sure.

00:18:47.000 Whatever.

00:18:48.000 You just have to tell me how it works.

00:18:50.000 I just don't know why it's so important all of a sudden.

00:18:54.000 I get transgender representation.

00:18:57.000 I get that.

00:18:58.000 It's a very small percentage of the people, and those people deserve love and respect.

00:19:02.000 For sure, and I'll fight for them everywhere I can.

00:19:03.000 I get all that.

00:19:04.000 But don't put that on me. 0.99

00:19:06.000 I've never needed to say my fucking pronouns. 0.99

00:19:09.000 Look at my beard. 1.00

00:19:10.000 I'm a man.

00:19:12.000 Let's move on.

00:19:13.000 Put a shaved head.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, look at this.

00:19:14.000 I'm a 220-pound ape.

00:19:16.000 There's no question what I am.

00:19:17.000 Let's move on.

00:19:18.000 Let's move on. 1.00

00:19:21.000 You can be whatever you want, but leave me the fuck alone. 1.00

00:19:25.000 And I... I've spent most of my adult life kind of protecting groups of people that can't protect themselves. 0.99

00:19:32.000 So I totally sympathize and empathetic to trying to protect everybody and their beliefs.

00:19:40.000 But it also stops where you are.

00:19:43.000 You don't get to project that belief onto my beliefs because I have my own beliefs.

00:19:47.000 You don't need to protect my beliefs.

00:19:48.000 I can protect my own beliefs.

00:19:49.000 But let's just...

00:19:51.000 Stay over here.

00:19:52.000 I think it's a small amount of people that are doing it, but the problem is it's like it undermines the all the goodwill that people have towards like these group of progressive minded folks It's the small amount of people that want to come force compliance They want to force people to behave and think a very certain way.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, I mean back to mental health I think with Shooters, you see a reoccurring theme.

00:20:18.000 You see broken nuclear families. 0.97

00:20:20.000 These young broken men are missing serious masculine elements of who they are.

00:20:26.000 When you look at them, and I'm profiling, I'm generalizing here, you see a very similar young man every single time.

00:20:34.000 He's weak, he's frail, and he's broken.

00:20:36.000 There's nothing more dangerous than a broken, not healthy masculine figure.

00:20:42.000 You know, testosterone's a beautiful thing.

00:20:44.000 And one of the great things about the military is, you know, they enhance and they build all of this kind of ability to do very efficient violence.

00:20:56.000 You know, but they also show you how to control it and how to manage it and the vertical of the chain of command and when is it appropriate.

00:21:04.000 You know, here's your rules of engagement.

00:21:06.000 So it's very controlled and by the...

00:21:09.000 By this process, this arduous refiner's fire of shaping a human into a weapon, that you have a healthier thing.

00:21:19.000 You have this healthy, beautiful, masculine thing that is very, very different.

00:21:25.000 If you look at me and all of my friends in the special operations community, these are healthy, great men that love their wives and they love their children and they love America and they love And like the warrior society and the warrior culture is like this nice balance of,

00:21:43.000 you know, they're fit, they get great nights sleep, they are very good at violence.

00:21:49.000 I mean, Jordan Peterson, you know, himself said, like a good man isn't a useless man.

00:21:54.000 A good man is one that is capable and strong and powerful, but knows how to control it.

00:22:00.000 And I couldn't agree more.

00:22:01.000 And when you look at these young broken men, You see the same trend over and over again, and they are missing these important moments that shape them as men.

00:22:12.000 And then they have testosterone, and they have strength, and they have violence, and they've never known how to channel it.

00:22:17.000 You had martial arts.

00:22:18.000 I had martial arts.

00:22:19.000 I had the military. 0.99

00:22:20.000 We had really healthy ways to burn that kind of growth and learn, you know, getting our asses beat on the mats. 0.98

00:22:29.000 And learn discipline. 0.94

00:22:30.000 Yeah.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, it's the incel of the world.

00:22:35.000 Is that just black coffee?

00:22:36.000 Yeah.

00:22:36.000 The incels and the people that just never have these experiences where they learn how to channel their aggression and learn how to harness their discipline and learn how to...

00:22:50.000 To be a fucking man. 1.00

00:22:52.000 It's an issue. 1.00

00:22:52.000 It's a real issue. 1.00

00:22:53.000 And this whole, I think, you know, there's like, it's become a disparaged term, like, to be a man.

00:23:00.000 But that's a really important thing to learn how to be, like, when you see someone who holds their shit together and stays calm under pressure, and you're like, wow, you admire that person. 0.82

00:23:11.000 That's to be admired. 0.80

00:23:12.000 It is a thing.

00:23:14.000 It's an important thing. 0.99

00:23:15.000 It's just we are so goddamn comfortable in this country and we're so accustomed to it and it's been accentuated by the comfort that people experience from being able to talk shit on social media. 0.97

00:23:25.000 So you have this very distorted perception of what's acceptable in terms of how to communicate with other humans. 0.98

00:23:31.000 It's weird.

00:23:32.000 I was in Ukraine a week ago, and the men there have been hammered for resistance, you know, being on the border of Russia, obviously.

00:23:41.000 They've known what was coming for a generation.

00:23:44.000 And they have been training relentlessly for the past 20 years.

00:23:51.000 And the young men that you can walk down the streets of Kyiv and Maripool, Dnipro, and there is not a fat human in sight.

00:23:58.000 You know, there is not a just a complacent human anywhere to be seen.

00:24:05.000 Every single person there has been hardened, not just in body, but also in mind.

00:24:11.000 And then, you know, I flew from there to Amsterdam, Amsterdam direct back to LA or back to Austin, which is cool that we have a direct to Amsterdam now.

00:24:19.000 And the moment the plane lands, I get off.

00:24:23.000 I take five steps out of the gate.

00:24:27.000 And I'm like, ah, I'm back in America.

00:24:30.000 There's just like weak, soft people everywhere.

00:24:35.000 So sad.

00:24:36.000 So many sloppy people here.

00:24:37.000 And if you bring that up, you're fat shaming.

00:24:40.000 I don't get that either.

00:24:44.000 Shame only, listen, there's things that you have no control over.

00:24:49.000 Like, literally no control over.

00:24:50.000 Like, to shame someone for a disability is a horrendous act.

00:24:54.000 It's a horrendous thing to do.

00:24:55.000 But to shame someone for slovenly behavior.

00:25:00.000 For things that they have a choice about.

00:25:01.000 That's actually probably good for them.

00:25:03.000 Especially when it's a bad choice, that will negatively affect us.

00:25:07.000 Like, my insurance rates are very, very high because my insurance has to pay for a lot of unhealthy people.

00:25:14.000 Obviously, COVID just went rampant through the community of unhealthy people.

00:25:20.000 I changed nothing about my life.

00:25:21.000 I still worked out every single day.

00:25:23.000 I still went to the gym every single day.

00:25:24.000 I still flew in the helicopters every single day.

00:25:25.000 I remember you texted me when you got it.

00:25:26.000 You're like, I finally got it.

00:25:28.000 It was almost two years in.

00:25:31.000 I'm not going to tell you how I got it, but it was really hard for me to get it.

00:25:34.000 I was really excited.

00:25:37.000 You're not going to tell me how you got it?

00:25:39.000 No, because I'll get somebody in trouble.

00:25:43.000 But it was, by the time you got it, though, it was already Omicron.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 Which I got, and I literally had for one day.

00:25:48.000 I was positive for a day.

00:25:50.000 I mean, I had the real one, the Delta.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:53.000 And, you know, that was only three days.

00:25:55.000 I was positive for five days.

00:25:57.000 I felt sick for like four hours.

00:25:59.000 I hadn't slept in two days.

00:26:00.000 I was working on the border.

00:26:01.000 That's how it always is, right?

00:26:02.000 Yeah.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, and I was working, and then I came back, and I was like, is this, because the border has like this moon dust all along the Del Rio River, and so I was like, is this just, because I was outside, you know, running and chasing people, so I'm like, is this just moon dust in my sinuses,

00:26:18.000 or do I feel like crap?

00:26:19.000 And I kind of had like a headache, and I never lost my taste of smell, or smell, and I was like, I'm going to take a test, and I got a positive.

00:26:27.000 I was like, oh my god, I got it!

00:26:29.000 And then I put on a sweatsuit and I got on my assault bike and I burnt a thousand calories in an hour, which was pretty rad.

00:26:36.000 And then I came in and the worst part of the whole experience was like, I went to my wife and I was like, well, I don't have to go to work for a couple of days.

00:26:42.000 What are you doing? 0.97

00:26:43.000 And she's like, you, you, are you insane? 1.00

00:26:46.000 You literally have COVID. Yeah, you literally have COVID. I was like, but, uh, anyways, then I tripped and then she got mad at me. 1.00

00:26:54.000 Well, that's how it goes.

00:26:55.000 Didn't work out.

00:26:56.000 So, since we've talked last on the podcast, you have been...

00:27:00.000 Well, let's go all the way back to Afghanistan.

00:27:03.000 Oh, God.

00:27:03.000 Because you were there.

00:27:04.000 Yep.

00:27:05.000 Oh, God, indeed.

00:27:07.000 You were there during the worst of it when the pullout was happening.

00:27:11.000 Yep.

00:27:12.000 So...

00:27:15.000 Yeah, with 20-something deployments overseas, I've never seen anything like Afghanistan during the fall of Afghanistan.

00:27:24.000 I don't know who was at a strategic level not anticipating that the Taliban, every time that we moved an inch on the ground, that the Taliban would not move an inch on the ground. 0.55

00:27:37.000 So myself and all of my peers, all my colleagues, fully forecasted what was going to happen.

00:27:43.000 So as soon as we started collapsing that ground, there was no doubt in any of our minds that every inch of ground that we gave up was ground that the Taliban was going to take. 0.89

00:27:54.000 So when we gave up Kandahar and Bagram, the two strategic military bases, that means that we just gave up the rest of the country.

00:28:02.000 And We, having been at war there for 20 years and, you know, multiple trips over there, we have lots of friends that deployed with us there.

00:28:13.000 You know, Afghans, the Afghans have a special operations unit called the Commandos.

00:28:17.000 We worked alongside them.

00:28:18.000 Our interpreters are obviously from Afghanistan.

00:28:22.000 So, they live in Afghanistan, but they work for us.

00:28:26.000 These people have security clearances.

00:28:28.000 They love the idea of democracy and freedom.

00:28:31.000 They love the idea of a free, independent Afghanistan.

00:28:34.000 They want their daughters to be educated and...

00:28:39.000 Those ideals that philosophy does not align with the Taliban.

00:28:43.000 So as Taliban start taking over Afghanistan, are my phone just starts exploding from all of my friends, and asking me to go contracting companies saying, hey, I'll pay you 10 grand a day to go grab this guy. 0.97

00:28:59.000 But none of it was It was altruistic.

00:29:03.000 None of it was the right call to action.

00:29:07.000 It was lots of people.

00:29:09.000 Yes, it was going to go and save life, but it was for money.

00:29:13.000 And I was just waiting for, I don't know what I was waiting for.

00:29:16.000 I wasted two days trying to figure out what is the right thing to do here.

00:29:20.000 Until my phone rang.

00:29:22.000 I was in the middle of writing that book.

00:29:24.000 And I was with Nick Palmisciano, who's my co-author on this book.

00:29:27.000 He's sitting next to me.

00:29:28.000 We're working.

00:29:29.000 My phone rings.

00:29:30.000 Chad Robichaux calls me.

00:29:32.000 And he was a Marine Special Operations guy that had multiple deployments there.

00:29:38.000 And he had a translator named Aziz.

00:29:41.000 And Aziz worked specific to special missions units, like the tip of the spear type units.

00:29:49.000 And Aziz had already been told that they're coming to find him.

00:29:54.000 And Aziz was on the run with his family.

00:29:56.000 And they were very, very explicit about what they're going to do to his wife and his children in front of him before they kill him.

00:30:02.000 And then like Aziz's friends start being murdered.

00:30:06.000 And so Chad calls me and says, Hey, man, I'm gonna go get a Z's.

00:30:10.000 Can you help me?

00:30:11.000 And I said, Yes.

00:30:14.000 I'm on my way.

00:30:15.000 At the same moment next to me, Nick is talking to a young woman named Sarah Verardo.

00:30:20.000 Sarah is this like powerhouse.

00:30:22.000 She runs the Independence Fund, which is a military veteran nonprofit that takes care of severely wounded veterans and give them chairs like track automatic track chairs.

00:30:34.000 Her husband is one of the worst.

00:30:36.000 This is a weird title to hold, but he is one of the worst wounded veterans from the Afghan war.

00:30:42.000 That's her husband, and she's the provider and care and sole care provider.

00:30:47.000 I don't know what the right word is.

00:30:48.000 She takes care of him.

00:30:50.000 And he was wounded in Afghanistan.

00:30:52.000 So her heart is like just, but she has lots of friends in the government.

00:30:57.000 So in this moment, we have the right kind of two people.

00:31:00.000 I have a good mission.

00:31:01.000 I know what I'm gonna do.

00:31:03.000 It's morally right.

00:31:03.000 And somebody has to do it or Aziz and my friend's friend is going to be murdered.

00:31:08.000 And I have a method.

00:31:10.000 Sarah can get us routes and approval from the government.

00:31:15.000 So the four of us started this NGO called Save Our Allies.

00:31:20.000 And that literally that phone call was the beginning of what is now, you know, what was the most successful NGO movement?

00:31:28.000 What's an NGO? A non-government organization.

00:31:30.000 A non-profit.

00:31:32.000 So Save Our Allies, like that call, initiated it.

00:31:35.000 Nick and I were on a plane into the Middle East the next day.

00:31:38.000 We flew into the UAE. The Crown Prince was like the most generous host that you could imagine.

00:31:47.000 One of our friends I used to ride motorcycles with the Crown Prince.

00:31:52.000 And he said, I will give you a C-17 plane.

00:31:56.000 If you can land it, fill it up with a perfect manifest of people and get it out, I'll give you another plane.

00:32:06.000 And that was the initial promise.

00:32:09.000 And 10 days later, we moved 12,000 people out of Afghanistan.

00:32:14.000 11% of everybody that left the country during the evacuation, me and three of my friends on the ground, and 12 of us total in the Middle East moved.

00:32:25.000 Everybody remembers, you know, people hanging on to the landing gear of aircraft and falling to their death, like that, that was peak Afghanistan withdrawal.

00:32:34.000 And that is, that is when we got there.

00:32:39.000 So when you say that it was like nothing you had seen in 20 years of being deployed Yeah in what in what way?

00:32:48.000 I mean Taliban's gonna Taliban so they are definitely doing their thing, but it was it was the the desperation of the people trying to Find a way to live so at each of these gates is A NEO operation. 0.58

00:33:05.000 It's a non-combatant evacuation operation.

00:33:08.000 It's a military operation if a NEO takes place.

00:33:12.000 They keep calling it a NEO, but that's if the military ran it.

00:33:15.000 And if the military ran it, you would see, you know, a special forces unit with a big, like the Ranger Regiment or 82nd Airborne that come in.

00:33:23.000 They'd build this huge exterior perimeter.

00:33:26.000 They'd control the ground strategically.

00:33:28.000 Then it would be like the clockwork of a military operation as planes are coming in and planes are coming out.

00:33:33.000 We're building manifests.

00:33:34.000 We're confirming that everybody that goes on the plane are the right people.

00:33:37.000 This was not a NEO. This was run by the State Department.

00:33:41.000 So instead of that big strategic military operation, instead of think the airport became an embassy.

00:33:49.000 And like in the movies, you're running the embassy, and if you get in, you're safe, and then they'll get you out.

00:33:54.000 That's how they started treating HKIA, the airport in Kabul, as an embassy.

00:34:01.000 So the military just secured the perimeter of the embassy, the airport, and anybody that got on the airport was able to get out.

00:34:09.000 Except the military wasn't allowed to go outside of the airport, so all the people in the city of Kabul were stuck.

00:34:18.000 That's where we had to come in.

00:34:19.000 So we had to go out into Kabul and grab the people and then smuggle them past the Taliban to get them onto planes.

00:34:27.000 And to answer your question, that perimeter of the base where the gates, there's tens of thousands of people that were lining up here.

00:34:40.000 And they maybe walked a few days.

00:34:42.000 So by the time they get there, they're dehydrated.

00:34:44.000 They have nothing there.

00:34:45.000 There's no food.

00:34:46.000 There's no water.

00:34:47.000 The Taliban, if there's too many people, they'll just take a magazine and just dump it into the crowd to move them back or to crowd control them.

00:34:55.000 They'll just dump a magazine into a crowd of people.

00:34:58.000 The women, they would float babies like you're at a baseball game with a beach ball. 1.00

00:35:04.000 They would float the baby towards the gate in the hopes that a Marine or a soldier would reach down and grab the baby and bring it into safety.

00:35:15.000 And when that didn't work, the moms would take the babies and they'd try to throw them over the walls. 1.00

00:35:21.000 Well, guess what's on either side of the wall?

00:35:24.000 Constantina wire. 0.99

00:35:25.000 There's fucking Constantina wire on both sides of this wall. 0.99

00:35:28.000 So these babies would land in the wire. 0.99

00:35:32.000 And we're in the middle of moving, you know, hundreds of people at a time, like smuggling them past the Taliban, and I'm stepping over a baby in water, or there's like a small body that's on fire that was burnt alive by the Taliban.

00:35:46.000 You know, one of the teams, as they went out into Kabul, And they just missed it by seconds.

00:35:51.000 They're going to go pick up this woman that was a journalist for one of the Afghan news organizations.

00:36:00.000 But the Taliban got to her first.

00:36:02.000 They pull up.

00:36:03.000 The Taliban see these guys in the car.

00:36:05.000 They drop her on the hood of the car and they execute her on the car as they just look at the dudes in the car.

00:36:10.000 There's nothing that they can do. 0.99

00:36:11.000 Just execute her. 1.00

00:36:15.000 This was every day. 0.89

00:36:18.000 So when I said a level of desperation I've never seen before, this is, I mean, this is like, no American, no American can imagine that type of desperation.

00:36:29.000 And that was everywhere you looked.

00:36:33.000 And how long were you there for while this was happening?

00:36:35.000 Our ground team, there's myself and three other, like, personnel recovery experts, we're there total for 10 days.

00:36:47.000 And did it dissipate someone?

00:36:51.000 No.

00:36:52.000 No, it just got more desperate.

00:36:56.000 So everybody that was watching on television, they saw...

00:37:04.000 Curated, controlled information is way worse on the ground.

00:37:09.000 So what looked like this assemblance of an assembly line of planes taking off and planes coming in, what that is inside a controlled environment, you know, that was in on the base, outside, if you if you know,

00:37:25.000 if you go 1000 meters outside of the wire, it is just Chaos, anarchy, apocalyptic level madness.

00:37:35.000 You know, like really, really, really total Taliban experience out there. 0.89

00:37:44.000 Man.

00:37:45.000 And so when you're leaving 10 days later, what are you, how are you feeling?

00:37:54.000 One of our, one of the guys with us is codenamed Sea Spray.

00:37:59.000 He didn't eat in those 10 days.

00:38:01.000 He lost 20 something pounds in the 10 days that he was there.

00:38:05.000 And, you know, he could like nibble on a cracker and drink water just because he didn't have any enzymes left in his stomach to break anything down.

00:38:12.000 You know, when you're running out the wire to grab a family and come back in, You don't really have time to think about what you're stepping over, but you still see it.

00:38:24.000 And that's the thing that tortures my mind is I still saw it all, but I didn't have the time to address it emotionally, think about this dead body I'm stepping over, because I'm really busy trying to get to this family.

00:38:37.000 Then we get to this family and I confirm we had to be really judicious in how we confirmed who the people were.

00:38:45.000 If I brought back one person that wasn't the right person to bring back, I would consider myself a failure in the whole entire mission.

00:38:53.000 If I bring back one radical terrorist that's not escaping but trying to get to the United States, And everything would be for not.

00:39:02.000 So we had a really deliberate Department of State, Department of Defense approved manifest that would go officially through the government.

00:39:09.000 They would submit all their paperwork.

00:39:11.000 They would have, you know, digital versions of it.

00:39:13.000 So I would then give them a location on the ground where they would have to meet me.

00:39:18.000 And then once I met up with them, They would have a far recognition signal that would be not to like give up the tradecraft, but they'd have a way to let me know that that is the right person and that then would come face to face and then they'd have another thing like a secret word that they had to sneak into a sentence.

00:39:36.000 And that's a near recognition signal.

00:39:38.000 And then they have to give me their documents and the documents have to be real and it has to be the right person and the same ones that were submitted.

00:39:44.000 So cool, I got the right person.

00:39:46.000 So come on, I got your family.

00:39:49.000 Why are these other 40 people with you?

00:39:51.000 Like, oh, it's it's like it's my cousin and, you know, and her family and it's, you know, my brother and his family and it's like, they gotta stay.

00:40:04.000 Like, you're coming with me, and they're staying.

00:40:08.000 Sorry.

00:40:09.000 You can get in the car, you can't.

00:40:11.000 You have five seconds.

00:40:14.000 Then, by that time, usually the Taliban have spotted us, and it's a foot race to make it back into the wire before they catch us.

00:40:22.000 And what happens to the people that get left behind?

00:40:24.000 They're murdered.

00:40:28.000 I think?

00:40:43.000 They have to have all the engineers that ran it.

00:40:45.000 So they don't want them to leave.

00:40:47.000 They don't want the pilots to leave because their airport won't work.

00:40:49.000 They don't they don't have anybody to run their air traffic control.

00:40:52.000 They don't have anybody to, you know, make sure the water purification system works properly.

00:40:56.000 So they're trying to keep all those people there.

00:40:59.000 But all those people know that they'll then be slaves to the Taliban.

00:41:03.000 So they're trying to get out.

00:41:05.000 And that's, that's the that's the tough catch 22 position that we're in.

00:41:13.000 I can only imagine the frustration that so many people like yourself who've been over there must have to how this was all handled.

00:41:24.000 That they should have known what was going to happen if you just decided to pull out the way they did.

00:41:33.000 But yes, I mean, the level of frustration.

00:41:38.000 I've never seen anything in it like it in my lifetime in the military, where there was that many, many men and women from the military, so active and unified, and we have to do something, you know, the I'm never going to forget my countryman's response to Afghanistan and Ukraine,

00:41:58.000 the generosity of just America.

00:42:01.000 You know, it's a different thing from being that nationalist compared to being a patriot.

00:42:07.000 You know, these patriots were throwing money to pay for gas on planes.

00:42:12.000 They were...

00:42:13.000 You know, helping us buy buses to position out in Kabul.

00:42:17.000 Like, we literally bought buses that we'd put in intersections to have people meet there, and they would bring that bus onto the air base.

00:42:24.000 And none of this would have been possible, you know, without the UAE and the Crown Prince and the Sheik, without their generosity, and then without the American people just stepping up.

00:42:35.000 And veterans especially.

00:42:36.000 They just...

00:42:37.000 I've just never seen it.

00:42:39.000 So as angry as I am as to the way that we...

00:42:44.000 Strategically did that withdrawal.

00:42:45.000 I have never been more proud of the American people.

00:42:50.000 It was amazing.

00:42:53.000 It's great that you could have that perspective while also encountering such a horrific scene.

00:43:01.000 Because I gotta imagine that the horrific aspects of it would be overwhelming for most people.

00:43:08.000 Yeah.

00:43:12.000 You kind of focus at the work.

00:43:14.000 I love Mr. Rogers.

00:43:15.000 I do.

00:43:16.000 He said this thing, parents were asking, what do we do in light of all these terrible things that are happening?

00:43:25.000 And he says, look to the helpers.

00:43:27.000 You will always see people doing good work and helping.

00:43:31.000 And I really take this, I don't know how that works really in the brain, but I didn't focus on I saw all the soldiers from the 82nd being so brave, and I saw all the Marines on the walls,

00:43:47.000 you know, protecting all of these people trying to come in and trying to find the right people.

00:43:53.000 I mean, they're children, you know, they're 18, 19, 20-year-old young men and women that volunteered to serve, and then here they are thrust into this apocalypse-like scenario, and they're just so incredible.

00:44:11.000 I look at them.

00:44:12.000 I look at my team.

00:44:15.000 Sean G was our ground force commander, Sea Spray, and Dave.

00:44:19.000 I look at them.

00:44:20.000 I see their eyes just sunken in from not sleeping for six, seven days in a row.

00:44:27.000 But they're still going.

00:44:28.000 I look at that.

00:44:29.000 I look at that 82nd guy as I'm like, hey man, can you pick up this Constantino wire so I can slip underneath here with this little kid?

00:44:36.000 He's like, yeah, bro.

00:44:39.000 That's rad.

00:44:41.000 But when the bomb goes off at the end of August, that was what we knew going to be the end of us being able to be effective in going outside the wire and grab people and bring them back in.

00:44:58.000 The base just was going to get locked down.

00:45:02.000 And that was starting to hurt.

00:45:04.000 That's when I realized...

00:45:06.000 So our list kept growing.

00:45:08.000 I said we moved 12,000 people in 10 days.

00:45:11.000 Think about 12,000.

00:45:13.000 You've been to arenas with 12,000 people.

00:45:15.000 In 10 days, we confirmed who they were, which is a miracle in itself.

00:45:21.000 Thank you, Sarah Virardo.

00:45:23.000 So Save Our Allies found these people, confirmed who they were, got them approved from the government, and then put them on a plane and flew them out in 10 days.

00:45:33.000 But after the bomb happens, and we are limited in our ability to be effective.

00:45:39.000 And this list is growing and growing and growing this that is when like my soul just starts dropping out the bottom.

00:45:47.000 Because the list grows and my end, we're not bringing anybody else in.

00:45:52.000 So Sean G our ground force commander Listening to him tell Sarah, she's like, well, what's the point of us still making this list?

00:46:01.000 So we know who we left behind. 0.98

00:46:04.000 And I was just like, this is dumb. 0.98

00:46:08.000 This is really bad. 0.98

00:46:11.000 How many people got left behind?

00:46:13.000 40,000 on our list, I think.

00:46:17.000 Do we have any idea what happened to them?

00:46:22.000 We left back Americans. 0.97

00:46:25.000 Like...

00:46:27.000 They are in the control of the Taliban if they're alive So we're still actively working like we have been so we have now moved 17,000 people total out of Afghanistan, so we've moved another 5,000 people since Afghanistan became fully under control the Taliban and How do you get them out while it's in control the Taliban?

00:46:51.000 We're very sneaky So it's 5,000 people covertly.

00:46:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:56.000 And we have...

00:46:57.000 So we like lily pad.

00:46:59.000 Once you get them out, you take them to a place, you know, Qatar, UAE, Pakistan.

00:47:09.000 And you stage them there as you work through the Department of State immigration process.

00:47:15.000 And immigration right now is a pretty tough thing to work through.

00:47:19.000 Gordon Ryan, you know, is a great example.

00:47:22.000 His amazing, wonderful wife.

00:47:23.000 You know, he's trying to get her process through legally.

00:47:28.000 My best friend, Nick Palmisciano, who wrote that book with me, his wife, it took her two and a half years and she did everything perfect.

00:47:35.000 Two and a half years with a green card to become an American citizen.

00:47:39.000 You know, so we have 5,000 people that are stuck in this process.

00:47:44.000 A little shout out to some of the senators that are pushing to extend the SIV application.

00:47:51.000 So that's the special immigration visa.

00:47:53.000 It's a special visa for people coming from war-torn countries.

00:47:58.000 It was going to end where the SIV visa wouldn't be applicable.

00:48:06.000 Mike Waltz and Senator Tillis and guys like that are stepping up being like, no, no, no.

00:48:12.000 We have a bunch of allies still that are stuck.

00:48:15.000 Let's figure out what to do with them first.

00:48:18.000 How was that not taken into consideration before we pulled out?

00:48:22.000 I just don't understand how anyone in good conscience could have handled it the way they did.

00:48:29.000 And why did they handle it the way they did?

00:48:31.000 Was there a reason?

00:48:34.000 There was a date.

00:48:37.000 That was set on the campaign trail that we would be pulling out after 20 years.

00:48:44.000 And so on, you know, September 11th, 2021, we, when I say we, America, said that we were going to be leaving Afghanistan.

00:48:56.000 And to stay true to those campaign promises and...

00:49:02.000 I'm not against leaving Afghanistan.

00:49:05.000 I didn't want to fight in Afghanistan anymore.

00:49:08.000 I don't think anybody else did.

00:49:10.000 Having been there for 20 years, whether it was a good war, a feudal war, that's for strategic level people to argue about.

00:49:18.000 But the way that we left, that was really problematic, obviously.

00:49:28.000 I don't know.

00:49:29.000 Have we ever done anything like this before?

00:49:31.000 Yeah.

00:49:31.000 I mean, it happened in Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War.

00:49:34.000 You know, we have...

00:49:36.000 I mean, you go all the way back to Sun Tzu.

00:49:38.000 He tells you how to retreat.

00:49:42.000 You know, if...

00:49:43.000 You can see other instances where we did it poorly, like Dunkirk, like had the...

00:49:51.000 If the Englishmen not stood up and hopped on private-owned boats and crossed the channel, there's a good chance that all of Great Britain would have fallen to the Nazis. 0.82

00:50:01.000 That was a bad plan.

00:50:04.000 So it's happened multiple times, but I don't know why.

00:50:08.000 We just don't seem to learn from history, and then we just bury history intentionally.

00:50:13.000 It's bonkers.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, it is bonkers.

00:50:17.000 It's got to be a strange feeling to be you to have experienced so many of the things you've experienced and then to come back here and see all these people that are just blissfully ignorant of what's going on in the world while there's stuff in their face with Krispy Kreme donuts.

00:50:39.000 Yeah, it's kind of insulting a little bit.

00:50:44.000 You know Memorial Day just happened and And I think about all of the amazing men and women that have fought so bravely for this country.

00:50:53.000 And I'm like, ah, so what are we doing to make sure their sacrifice was worth it, right?

00:50:59.000 Are we really moving forward the ideals that it is to be an American?

00:51:04.000 And I think being American is a beautiful thing.

00:51:07.000 And the ideals that this country were founded on are beautiful, powerful things.

00:51:10.000 And, but then it, It's not appreciated and totally taken for granted.

00:51:19.000 Yeah, completely.

00:51:21.000 And I don't think there's any way to really educate people on what's happening unless you physically expose them to it or unless they make a concerted effort to educate themselves.

00:51:33.000 I don't...

00:51:34.000 So many people just...

00:51:36.000 They don't...

00:51:37.000 Like, we pulled out of Afghanistan.

00:51:38.000 There was some noise in the media for, like, a few weeks.

00:51:41.000 It was, like, 45 days.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, and then gone, and then it drifted off.

00:51:45.000 And I was well aware that there were still people left behind there.

00:51:49.000 And I'm like, well, what happens to those people?

00:51:51.000 And it's just the discussion just ended.

00:51:53.000 And then, you know, they're mad at somebody for doing something on TV, or somebody did something here.

00:51:58.000 Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are getting a divorce.

00:52:00.000 Yeah, something.

00:52:00.000 There's something.

00:52:00.000 There's always some distraction.

00:52:02.000 Will Smith slaps Chris Rock, and that's it.

00:52:04.000 We stopped talking about it.

00:52:06.000 And meanwhile, it's... 0.96

00:52:08.000 It's one of the biggest clusterfucks in the history of this country in terms of...

00:52:13.000 That was the largest evacuation in American history. 0.90

00:52:16.000 Like, ever.

00:52:18.000 And it was...

00:52:20.000 There's no way...

00:52:22.000 I would love to be able to put numbers, but there's no way for us to assume or guess the type of atrocities and the number of them that happened outside.

00:52:33.000 You know, the ones I saw firsthand...

00:52:35.000 I would take pages of this notebook.

00:52:38.000 And, you know, there's thousands of soldiers that saw that every single moment.

00:52:42.000 And that was just within eye's distance.

00:52:44.000 You know, who knew what happened three blocks in where the actual Taliban checkpoints were.

00:52:49.000 So every route into the base was controlled by the Taliban.

00:52:53.000 And every military expert on the planet, you know, whoever, whoever controls the outside perimeter actually controls that ground.

00:53:02.000 So the Taliban control the outside perimeter.

00:53:04.000 So they control the airport.

00:53:06.000 Everybody that got into that base was either able to circumvent, like get past one of the Taliban checkpoints, or had to go through it.

00:53:15.000 You know, it's like, oh, thank you for this passport.

00:53:18.000 What is your job?

00:53:19.000 Your occupation is you are a plumber.

00:53:22.000 You can't leave.

00:53:23.000 You know, oh, you work for the Americans. 0.71

00:53:24.000 I have you on this list.

00:53:25.000 You cannot leave.

00:53:27.000 And then you're just with the Taliban. 0.55

00:53:30.000 And if I'm not hearing it from you, I'm not hearing it.

00:53:34.000 This is the problem.

00:53:35.000 It's like this is a crazy scenario.

00:53:39.000 And it's not being discussed publicly.

00:53:41.000 No, because it's, it's not comfortable to talk about, like mental health.

00:53:46.000 It seems like all these things that we should be talking about, we don't want to talk about because they're like kind of bummer topics. 0.97

00:53:52.000 But they have to be, you know, we have people left in Afghanistan, and we have some of the people that we got out of Afghanistan that are trapped.

00:54:01.000 In these lily pad countries that can't make it back.

00:54:04.000 I'm not even saying they have to come to the United States, but we have to do something with them, right? 1.00

00:54:08.000 I personally escorted a couple hundred into Albania.

00:54:13.000 Amazing.

00:54:15.000 George Soros' son, I got to meet him, and he paid.

00:54:21.000 These were all, I think they were employees or they're on an internship program in Afghanistan, but a lot of them were Afghan-Albanian dual citizens.

00:54:34.000 George Soros Jr. paid for these guys to be brought back to Albania.

00:54:40.000 So I took a plane full of a couple hundred people and flew them into Albania and this is one of the wildest things. 1.00

00:54:48.000 I get on a C-17.

00:54:51.000 Bomb has gone off.

00:54:53.000 13 Americans die.

00:54:56.000 The base is shut down.

00:54:58.000 It is a fortress now.

00:55:00.000 Nobody's coming on.

00:55:01.000 Nobody's going off.

00:55:02.000 The plumbing is going out.

00:55:03.000 There's no more clean water.

00:55:05.000 They're taking tractors and driving overnight vision and rifles so we don't leave them behind.

00:55:10.000 I'm watching a boot Marine take a pickaxe. 0.87

00:55:14.000 And go into a helicopter and just start destroying the helicopter.

00:55:18.000 Wow.

00:55:19.000 Yeah.

00:55:19.000 Like a black hawk or a little bird.

00:55:23.000 And as like an aspiring helicopter pilot that would love to buy a helicopter, I'm like watching them destroy a Sikorsky.

00:55:31.000 I'm like, oh my God.

00:55:33.000 You know, like, destroy me.

00:55:34.000 And, like, this is happening all around us as, you know, bombs going off and, you know, you hear gunfire and things are burning.

00:55:42.000 We're starting to destroy all of our sensitive documents and we're just collapsing down this base.

00:55:47.000 I get on the—we pack a C-17 full of people, a C-17 wrap closes— I have to get on a military C-17 because my plane out, which was a private jet that we had set up as our emergency evacuation,

00:56:03.000 it crash lands in Pakistan.

00:56:06.000 As it's flying into Afghanistan, it has an engine go out, so it has to do an emergency crash landing into Pakistan.

00:56:12.000 And now I'm sitting here in Afghanistan, like...

00:56:17.000 I don't know how I'm getting out.

00:56:18.000 I have no idea.

00:56:21.000 Fortunately, the military is amazing.

00:56:24.000 They took care of us.

00:56:26.000 They flew the four of us volunteers.

00:56:29.000 I'm not there in any military capacity.

00:56:31.000 I'm fully there as a civilian working for an NGO, an approved government nonprofit with authorities all the way up and down.

00:56:43.000 I get on this military C-17 and the ramp closes.

00:56:46.000 And as that last little bit of Afghanistan light finally leaves my vision, I turn around and I see these 400 people sitting on the floor of a C-17.

00:56:59.000 They've never been in aircraft before.

00:57:01.000 They've never left Afghanistan before.

00:57:04.000 That vast majority of them.

00:57:06.000 And, you know, I'm thinking about all the people that we left it behind.

00:57:09.000 And the way that you leave a combat zone is way different than the way that we take off from like an airport, like this nice gradual slope, the way military planes take off or land, it is like full power straight up and they start doing like these maneuvers to make sure that they don't get shot at the sky.

00:57:31.000 So all these people on this plane are freaking out.

00:57:36.000 And the old women who are exhausted and dehydrated, they start passing out.

00:57:40.000 And just so people get an understanding of who these people are that we're bringing out, I'm like, hey, I need a doctor.

00:57:46.000 Is there a doctor in here?

00:57:47.000 Like 17 people stand up.

00:57:49.000 You know, some Americans, some Afghan doctors, there's like an orthopedic surgeon, there's a vascular surgeon, and so they all just come in and that's who's on these planes.

00:58:01.000 These aren't just...

00:58:02.000 I know it's really easy to be like, oh, there are these brown people from the Middle East. 0.97

00:58:06.000 That is so racist and wrong.

00:58:08.000 These are amazing humans that are educated and they speak English.

00:58:12.000 They just happen to be trapped in Afghanistan.

00:58:14.000 They just have to be born and then trapped in Afghanistan. 1.00

00:58:17.000 And then the plane lands.

00:58:20.000 We're figuring out what to do with all these people.

00:58:22.000 And like, hey, we already have a place to move this next group.

00:58:26.000 So I got a couple hours of sleep.

00:58:27.000 I got a little bite of food.

00:58:28.000 And then I hopped on another plane to bring these people into Albania.

00:58:32.000 And I take them to Albania.

00:58:33.000 And there's this beautiful resort.

00:58:36.000 On the water that Mr. Soros Jr. had financed.

00:58:40.000 And when I get there, these kids are out in the grass and they're playing and they're drawing and they're giggling and they're laughing.

00:58:50.000 And it was just my brain couldn't compute.

00:58:55.000 Like these people were just, I just brought these people out of Afghanistan.

00:58:58.000 It was just Really, really cool.

00:59:01.000 The resilience, like how beautiful of a species we are.

00:59:04.000 They had mental health teachers there that were already present for these children to start working through this experience they just had.

00:59:14.000 Pretty rad. 1.00

00:59:15.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:59:17.000 Heavy. 1.00

00:59:19.000 What was the...

00:59:21.000 When they decided to pull out, what was the strategy in terms of getting people out?

00:59:27.000 Did they have any?

00:59:28.000 No.

00:59:30.000 So it was just like, figure it out on your own.

00:59:32.000 We're going to leave.

00:59:33.000 And all the people that worked as translators, all the people that worked as our allies, they just left them.

00:59:40.000 Yeah, but bueno suerte.

00:59:41.000 Good luck.

00:59:43.000 Now, how would they ever expect anyone to cooperate with us?

00:59:48.000 Ever again?

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 I don't know.

00:59:50.000 Or...

00:59:52.000 What kind of message that sends our current allies.

00:59:56.000 And just to the rest of the world.

00:59:59.000 What are we?

01:00:01.000 I think Afghanistan was a contributor to Putin's enthusiasm to go into Ukraine.

01:00:09.000 He's like, what are they going to do?

01:00:10.000 They're not going to do anything.

01:00:15.000 In one of the military bases, the two kind of big ones were Kandahar and Bagram.

01:00:19.000 I think it was Bagram, the general, the Afghan general that ran Bagram base, American forces in the dead of night loaded all of their people and the stuff that they could carry into the planes that they had, left the base.

01:00:34.000 He woke up to an empty base with Taliban just driving onto the most strategic piece of land in the whole entire country. 0.81

01:00:45.000 And the Taliban just, like, walk into the arms room, open the door, and start grabbing ARs off the racks that the military had just left there.

01:00:53.000 Night vision, PVS-31s, you know, Taliban's like... 1.00

01:00:57.000 Jesus Christ.

01:01:00.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:01:01.000 Infuriating.

01:01:02.000 Yeah, like, what was the price tag on the amount of stuff that was left behind?

01:01:07.000 Some preposterous number.

01:01:09.000 It's like 40, 70 billion?

01:01:10.000 I don't know.

01:01:11.000 That is a really Google-able number.

01:01:14.000 Is that a verb now?

01:01:15.000 Google-able?

01:01:16.000 Yeah, Google-able.

01:01:17.000 Should be.

01:01:17.000 Like it is.

01:01:18.000 If you Google, that's a verb, right?

01:01:20.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 I Googled it.

01:01:21.000 I Googled it.

01:01:22.000 Yeah.

01:01:24.000 Tens of billions of dollars.

01:01:26.000 I don't remember the exact number, but it's wild.

01:01:29.000 And is anyone accountable for this?

01:01:31.000 Does anybody apologize?

01:01:34.000 Like, how does this work? 0.86

01:01:36.000 Does anybody say we fucked up? 0.95

01:01:38.000 We could have done this better? 0.98

01:01:39.000 I mean, that's all on the public relations department of the government to do.

01:01:46.000 On the voter side, like the only way that you affect change is by voting.

01:01:52.000 So the consequence to bad policy is the people choosing people that enact different policies.

01:02:01.000 The problem is we're so tribalized, we're so polarized in this country that there's people that will vote Democrat no matter what.

01:02:10.000 That's wild to me.

01:02:11.000 So I'm a radical centrist. 0.99

01:02:13.000 I look at these two fringe sides and I'm like, bro, you're crazy. 0.97

01:02:18.000 On the far right, right? 1.00

01:02:19.000 They look on the far left and I'm like, ooh, bro, you're crazy. 0.95

01:02:22.000 And I'm just in the middle being like, oh, who here thinks that Afghanistan is a wreck? 0.92

01:02:27.000 Bunch of people raise their hands.

01:02:28.000 Okay, cool.

01:02:29.000 Who thinks that we should enact legislation to protect schools and spend money to be able to harden our schools and address mental health and like everybody raises their hand, not a single hand to stay down, right?

01:02:40.000 And then you're like, who thinks that it's a great plan for Russia to be able to take land that leads up to NATO countries?

01:02:51.000 Loving NATO or like Ukraine, don't like Ukraine, think that they're corrupt, any of it.

01:02:56.000 Like everybody is like, yeah, I don't want communism at my door.

01:02:59.000 And then you go, well, who thinks there's a problem with immigration right now?

01:03:03.000 And I mean, obviously, in Texas, every Texan is gonna be like, bro, there's a crazy problem.

01:03:09.000 Like everybody generally is like, yeah, I think the immigration system is broken.

01:03:12.000 Let's figure out how to fix it.

01:03:14.000 Even if you're like, no, build the wall or no, let them all in. 0.99

01:03:18.000 Everybody still agrees that there's a problem with immigration.

01:03:20.000 We have to fix it.

01:03:21.000 So in the middle here are just a bunch of people with a lot of issues that we all agree need to be fixed.

01:03:29.000 And then I guess we can't have a conversation because we are so divided about what the best solution is.

01:03:35.000 I think there's a giant percentage of us that are in the middle, but there's enough people that are so crazy on either side that you choose to say, that crazy, I just can't tolerate, so I'm going to join in with this crazy. 0.96

01:03:48.000 I'm going to side with Antifa because I think the Proud Boys are gross. 0.80

01:03:54.000 It's like that kind of a thing.

01:03:56.000 That's what people tend to do.

01:03:58.000 They tend to decide to side with one of the tribes, even though they probably have a conglomerate or conglomeration of ideas that they've adopted from sort of both.

01:04:09.000 Maybe economically they're more conservative, but socially they're more liberal.

01:04:14.000 Most people are kind of in the middle.

01:04:17.000 And I think one of the things that happened during COVID is that people were sort of alarmed by the way some of the governments handled things, particularly the way Canada handled things, the way some of the states handled things.

01:04:29.000 And it made people lean towards whatever side was going to impose less restrictions on them and respect freedom more.

01:04:38.000 Florida grew.

01:04:39.000 Florida, Texas.

01:04:40.000 Texas grew.

01:04:41.000 Yeah, Arizona grew.

01:04:43.000 Nevada grew. 0.99

01:04:44.000 People got the fuck out of California because they're like, I don't like where this is going. 0.98

01:04:48.000 And I need to be someplace where I feel like I'm not going to be restricted in my actions by a government that really doesn't have a good idea on how to protect me anyway. 0.99

01:04:59.000 And they want to infantilize me in some sort of a way.

01:05:03.000 Yeah, I just released this documentary called No Help Is Coming, and it addresses that specifically.

01:05:14.000 It's all up to you.

01:05:15.000 As Trudeau and Gavin Newsom just landed in California and had a thing last week, and there's pictures of them together, and you're looking at the draconian level Legislation that is happening in Canada and California similarly and then the number of people that are just running for their lives.

01:05:35.000 Yeah.

01:05:36.000 To get away from those types of things.

01:05:38.000 You look at Australia and you're like, That is Australia?

01:05:40.000 They had concentration camps in Australia?

01:05:42.000 You know, like, is this real?

01:05:44.000 Is this 2022?

01:05:45.000 I guess it is.

01:05:46.000 Well, there were quarantine camps.

01:05:48.000 Quarantine camps.

01:05:49.000 And they concentrated people there.

01:05:51.000 Yeah.

01:05:52.000 But they weren't concentration camps.

01:05:54.000 But they were just quarantine camps.

01:05:55.000 Quarantine camps.

01:05:56.000 And even if you've had COVID and gotten over it, even if you don't have it mildly, you have to be in a camp.

01:06:04.000 Even though it's a respiratory disease and there's no history ever of being able to control a respiratory disease.

01:06:10.000 Anything that spreads the way COVID spread, particularly that one, which is one of the most contagious diseases we've ever experienced.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 Especially Omicron. 0.99

01:06:19.000 So fucking contagious. 0.99

01:06:20.000 You're not containing that. 0.99

01:06:23.000 No.

01:06:23.000 I just really like freedom.

01:06:25.000 I think it's super important.

01:06:26.000 And I've always thought it was important, but I realize how important it is once I've moved to Texas because it's not just that Texas gave you more freedom.

01:06:35.000 It changed the way people behaved during the pandemic as opposed to California where people are still afraid.

01:06:42.000 They're still terrified.

01:06:43.000 People are traumatized.

01:06:45.000 Yeah.

01:06:45.000 They're not healthy.

01:06:46.000 No.

01:06:47.000 There was a level of anxiety that existed already there. 0.78

01:06:50.000 I mean, there's so many people in California that are on antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication and they're freaking out already and they're not doing jack shit with their body.

01:06:59.000 There's sedentary lifestyle and they're seeking to mitigate some of the problems that come with that with pharmaceutical drugs.

01:07:16.000 No.

01:07:24.000 And that's what I loved.

01:07:26.000 I'm like, we're in. 1.00

01:07:27.000 Fuck it. 1.00

01:07:28.000 I mean, dude, I came out here two fucking years ago now. 1.00

01:07:30.000 It's been two years. 0.98

01:07:32.000 You came to the right moment, man.

01:07:32.000 I did.

01:07:33.000 You dodged a bullet.

01:07:34.000 Well, I saw it coming, man.

01:07:35.000 I'm one of those, I smell smoke. 1.00

01:07:37.000 Let's get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:07:38.000 I'm that guy. 0.99

01:07:39.000 Because I have a lot of faith in some people.

01:07:43.000 I have almost no faith in most people.

01:07:46.000 And I saw it was falling apart there, and I saw the paranoia and the anxiety was ramping up.

01:07:52.000 And I had known so many people that had already had COVID by that point and gotten over it.

01:07:56.000 And I resented this idea that I'm supposed to think about it the same way that someone who's 90 and obese is supposed to think about it.

01:08:05.000 Like, it's a death sentence.

01:08:07.000 I'm like, I'm not thinking about it that way.

01:08:09.000 I'm thinking about it.

01:08:09.000 I don't want to get it, but this is not going to kill me.

01:08:12.000 Like, I'm 99% sure I could fucking skate through this in a healthy way.

01:08:18.000 If I use the right medication and take care of myself, why am I being locked out of the restaurants? 0.94

01:08:24.000 Why am I being locked out of the gym?

01:08:26.000 Can't go to the gym.

01:08:28.000 The one thing that will save your life.

01:08:30.000 Even gyms outside, you were supposed to wear a mask. 0.99

01:08:33.000 I need to see some fucking mask data, because these guys have bandanas on. 0.99

01:08:38.000 I smell farts. 0.99

01:08:39.000 I don't think this is working.

01:08:40.000 Yeah.

01:08:41.000 Data is a weird...

01:08:42.000 Especially around mental health right now.

01:08:44.000 Trying to learn about suicide and depression and anxiety and the type of prescriptions that are being prescribed post and during COVID. The things that I'm seeing...

01:09:04.000 We're in a really dangerous moment where we either turn a corner and start making good decisions about being individually responsible about our health and mental and physical health.

01:09:18.000 Or, I think we're going to have some really serious repercussions.

01:09:21.000 You know, we're seeing it already, like the insane rise of suicide and substance abuse.

01:09:26.000 And it's frightening.

01:09:27.000 I mean, the veteran community right now, they're not even reporting the data of veteran suicides and active duty suicides because they are so high and they don't want people to know about them.

01:09:37.000 You know about this?

01:09:38.000 How high is it?

01:09:39.000 So, 18 to 35 year olds are the most vulnerable population that are just coming back from a deployment for suicide.

01:09:48.000 And they have seen an 80% increase.

01:09:52.000 I think it was like 86% increase in suicides in that group of people coming back from combat.

01:10:02.000 And what do they attribute that to?

01:10:05.000 Every coping mechanism that should exist for a healthy human.

01:10:10.000 I get good sleep.

01:10:12.000 I exercise.

01:10:14.000 I don't drink.

01:10:15.000 I don't do drugs. 0.58

01:10:16.000 I have sex with my wife. 0.98

01:10:18.000 I have great friends. 0.99

01:10:20.000 I have an amazing family.

01:10:21.000 These are all healthy coping mechanisms that are in place for a healthy, well-adjusted person.

01:10:27.000 They're coming back.

01:10:29.000 You know, they haven't seen their wife.

01:10:31.000 They've seen a whole bunch of stuff.

01:10:33.000 They can't go outside and exercise.

01:10:35.000 You know, two years of containment where gyms are closed.

01:10:39.000 You know, they can't even go on the base on the gym on base for like the past year and a half.

01:10:44.000 And...

01:10:44.000 Crazy.

01:10:46.000 Crazy! 0.94

01:10:47.000 Well, I mean, not only is it crazy, but then you're breeding crazy by creating an environment that breeds crazy.

01:10:53.000 Yeah.

01:10:54.000 And then we know what the byproduct is.

01:10:56.000 This is unprecedented mental health problems within the veteran community.

01:11:02.000 On Instagram, I'm posting, hey, here's the suicide hotline number.

01:11:06.000 Here are ways to seek help.

01:11:08.000 Find a friend.

01:11:09.000 Two days ago in Washington, D.C., we did a ruck around the mall in Washington, D.C. I did a post.

01:11:15.000 I said, hey, come out for mental health.

01:11:17.000 We had 100 people just show up to go for a walk. 0.99

01:11:21.000 Um, with, you know, 40 pounds on their backs and, um, I tried to kill them all in a good healthy way.

01:11:27.000 So they couldn't kill themselves, you know, and all of those things like community and sweat and friendship and laughing, like those are all really great things for humans to experience.

01:11:36.000 And none of that has happened for the past couple of years.

01:11:39.000 Yeah.

01:11:40.000 And heaven forbid that we talk about it.

01:11:42.000 Yeah, it's the unthought of consequences of the way they enacted measures to supposedly protect us.

01:11:50.000 And the thing that you just said that's very important is the amount of overdose deaths and the amount of suicides, how much it ramped up.

01:11:58.000 And in many places, per age group, it far surpassed the people that were dying from COVID. Especially with young people that aren't as susceptible to COVID, but were just as susceptible to suicide.

01:12:11.000 More susceptible than young people.

01:12:12.000 Yeah.

01:12:15.000 Startling statistic.

01:12:16.000 By 2030, 23 times more people will die of—veterans and soldiers—will die of suicide than died in the whole entire combat time of the past 20 years.

01:12:28.000 Oh, my God.

01:12:28.000 23 times.

01:12:29.000 Oh, my God.

01:12:31.000 Oh, my God.

01:12:33.000 Jesus Christ, that's so crazy.

01:12:35.000 Yeah.

01:12:37.000 So we, I'm just preaching the gospel, go outside and exercise, go find a friend, you know, there's nothing wrong with calling.

01:12:46.000 And then we, then, I mean, then the legislation, people like, oh, well, maybe we enact some red flag gun laws to protect these people.

01:12:54.000 Like, no, no, what you're going to do is not, you're going to prevent them from going and seeking help.

01:12:59.000 Because they're going to be scared that there's not going to be any due process to get them off this list once you get them on this list.

01:13:07.000 And then you'll take their stuff.

01:13:09.000 They'll never get it back.

01:13:10.000 Now they're not going to do it.

01:13:12.000 So whatever thought they might have had about going and getting some help, now they're not going to do it.

01:13:16.000 So great.

01:13:17.000 Like, you just made the problem worse.

01:13:18.000 Well, there's also the real issue, the very real issue, that someone could turn you in when it's not justified.

01:13:25.000 Well, I got a bunch of haters.

01:13:26.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:13:27.000 You know, I think I'm a pretty healthy person, but there's no doubt that they'd be like, just to piss Tim off, like, 1-800-BE-A-SNITCH. I've looked into your Instagram comments before.

01:13:39.000 Ah, they're wild.

01:13:42.000 Why would you do that?

01:13:44.000 I don't read my own, but I'll occasionally read my friends.

01:13:47.000 And if it's you, I mean, like, if you post something controversial, I'm like, let's see what the craziest... 0.99

01:13:52.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

01:13:54.000 I'll read into them, like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:13:56.000 And I'll click on the links, and a lot of times it's not even a real person. 0.94

01:13:59.000 It's like no posts, blocked account, you know, you can't look at their photos.

01:14:04.000 There's probably no photos.

01:14:05.000 Yeah, a bunch of our...

01:14:05.000 So, Matt Best, Evan Hafer, Jared Taylor, Mike Glover, Coleon, like, all of those guys.

01:14:12.000 If you click on some of the people that are...

01:14:15.000 There's about 500 or 600 of these pages...

01:14:20.000 And there's somebody that has built this big, huge infrastructure to target us.

01:14:24.000 And they are troll comments. 0.95

01:14:26.000 There's somebody writing in perfect English, whether that's a Russian bot, a China bot, or an actual just crazy troll. 0.86

01:14:32.000 And they have, you know, they have dedicated meme pages and, you know, saying outlandish wild things, you know, like that Matt Best is anti-2A or that, you know, Tim Kennedy hates freedom.

01:14:44.000 Yeah, they were saying that Evan was anti-2A. I had to have him in here. 1.00

01:14:49.000 He's like, what do I do about this?

01:14:51.000 I'm like, please, come on.

01:14:52.000 Let's talk about this. 0.96

01:14:53.000 This is so fucking insane. 0.99

01:14:54.000 Your company's called Black Rifle Coffee. 0.99

01:14:57.000 And they're trying to say you're anti-Second Amendment. 0.99

01:15:00.000 I'm like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:15:02.000 In... 0.99

01:15:04.000 In that confirmation bias, where you have this kind of preconceived notion, and then you go out and look for anything that supports your wild ideas.

01:15:15.000 You know, if I think the number 17 is my magical number, I can go out and I can find the number 17 on a freeway sign.

01:15:23.000 Man, I knew it.

01:15:24.000 You know, I knew that's my magic number, right?

01:15:25.000 And then I'm driving down the road, I turn left into a residential area, and I look down at my speedometer.

01:15:30.000 I'm at 17. And so you start getting this belief, and it is the most dangerous thing in confirmation bias, especially when it has crazy ideas, like anti-freedom ideas, or hating a specific person, and you're looking for reasons not to like them.

01:15:47.000 It is dangerous.

01:15:48.000 For investigators...

01:15:50.000 On the law enforcement side, we have specific measures for detectives to prevent them from using confirmation bias.

01:15:58.000 I think you're guilty, so I'm going to start looking for evidence that supports my belief that you are guilty.

01:16:06.000 Did you ever see the Amanda Knox trial on Netflix?

01:16:08.000 No.

01:16:09.000 There's a documentary on Amanda Knox and what happened to her in Italy.

01:16:11.000 It's exactly that.

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 I had her on the podcast.

01:16:14.000 She's an amazing person.

01:16:16.000 She's so articulate and so smart and so resilient.

01:16:20.000 And what's fascinating is one of the subjects we got into was I said, do you think you would...

01:16:25.000 I would never wish this on anyone because it happened to her when she was 20 years old.

01:16:29.000 She was falsely accused of murder.

01:16:30.000 There's plenty of evidence that there was this guy from Africa.

01:16:33.000 They know who he is.

01:16:34.000 His DNA is all over the house.

01:16:36.000 His blood's in the house.

01:16:37.000 Like, he came into the house and said he was in the house.

01:16:42.000 And said he got there when the guy was killing her and he ran away. 1.00

01:16:46.000 Like, the fucking story is so bad. 1.00

01:16:48.000 It's so bad. 0.99

01:16:49.000 And they still tried to pin it on her because that's who they initially supposed was doing it.

01:16:55.000 There's zero evidence.

01:16:57.000 But they tried her twice.

01:16:59.000 Twice for this. 0.86

01:17:00.000 But it's that kind of shitty detective work that you're talking about avoiding. 0.81

01:17:06.000 Because people are human and humans have egos. 0.99

01:17:09.000 And egos lead you to make decisions that aren't rational or justifiable, but they support your initial assertion, which if you say, turns out I was wrong, now all of a sudden people go, well you don't know what the fuck you're doing.

01:17:23.000 And nobody wants to do that. 0.53

01:17:24.000 Yeah.

01:17:26.000 Heaven forbid somebody have enough inner development or interpersonal skills to acknowledge that they're wrong.

01:17:33.000 Right.

01:17:34.000 Like that doesn't happen anymore.

01:17:35.000 Well, it's like the checks and balances just weren't in place for him to accuse her in the first place.

01:17:38.000 The prosecutor that accused her in the first place, he was well off.

01:17:42.000 He was off.

01:17:43.000 It was all wrong.

01:17:44.000 But this is what we're talking about, that we try to avoid.

01:17:49.000 I love throwing darts at social media in that same confirmation vein.

01:17:53.000 You know, when you curate your own feed and you're following a bunch of pages, it reaffirms those beliefs.

01:18:01.000 And that's dangerous, where you're not getting any...

01:18:04.000 You know, I follow people that I... Like, way disagree with.

01:18:08.000 So I can hear their ideas.

01:18:10.000 Yeah.

01:18:10.000 So make sure that my idea is like, man, that's a great point that she just made.

01:18:14.000 Maybe I want to look into this.

01:18:15.000 And then I take a little peek.

01:18:17.000 Or I could be a psychopath and I could, you know, block all of those people that disagree with me and then only follow all the people that agree with me.

01:18:25.000 And, you know, I'm getting weird articles, but I'm like, oh, but that's an article that supports this crazy idea that I have.

01:18:30.000 Yeah.

01:18:31.000 And that's not healthy.

01:18:32.000 Yeah.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, and most people aren't very good at managing that stuff.

01:18:36.000 They only just subscribe to or click on links that they're interested in, that support their initial assertions, that support their confirmation bias.

01:18:48.000 And that's a giant problem with people because they don't get taught that.

01:18:51.000 They don't get taught...

01:18:52.000 They also...

01:18:53.000 People think of ideas as if it's a part of them.

01:18:57.000 And when you have an idea about something, you want that idea to be confirmed.

01:19:01.000 You want that idea to turn out to be true.

01:19:02.000 So you're like, ha ha!

01:19:03.000 I won!

01:19:05.000 I'm correct!

01:19:06.000 But you can't attach yourself to ideas.

01:19:08.000 You can't.

01:19:09.000 And you've got to be willing to abandon them.

01:19:10.000 You have to be.

01:19:12.000 That inquisitive mind, you know, where I want...

01:19:17.000 I'm going to always assume that I don't understand this thing and I want to know more about it regardless.

01:19:24.000 We'll use jiu-jitsu.

01:19:25.000 Like, I've been doing jiu-jitsu for forever.

01:19:28.000 And I feel right now like I'm relearning all of jiu-jitsu because jiu-jitsu has evolved so fast in the past few years.

01:19:36.000 And, you know, I'm going up to, like, the Jean Carlos and the Gordon Ryans and, you know, What is this thing that you just did?

01:19:48.000 So I've been doing jujitsu for, you know, 30 years.

01:19:51.000 What is this?

01:19:52.000 This is neat.

01:19:52.000 Isn't that wild?

01:19:53.000 It's so cool.

01:19:54.000 There's so many variables.

01:19:56.000 Or I could go back to my own gym and, you know, be in the big fish in my super tiny little pond and never adapt or never grow or never learn anything new.

01:20:08.000 And when you do that intellectually, Where this is what I think and this is what I know, but I'm never going to subject myself to anything different.

01:20:18.000 Like, how dangerous is that?

01:20:19.000 It is very dangerous.

01:20:21.000 But it's more common than not.

01:20:22.000 It's more common for people to do that than it is for people to seek out new ways to learn and humble themselves with new information.

01:20:31.000 And jujitsu, it forces you to do that.

01:20:34.000 I mean, it is really, really fascinating the changes that have taken place in Jiu Jitsu.

01:20:40.000 Essentially, I mean, Jiu Jitsu has always evolved, right?

01:20:44.000 There's like the 10th Planet system that used flexibility and the closed guard and rubber guard in this really weird and interesting way.

01:20:52.000 And then there's a lot of people that did that and they would try these moves out on people and they would have no idea what the fuck they're doing and they'd be tapping before they knew it was too late.

01:21:00.000 They didn't understand.

01:21:02.000 The leg lock system came into place.

01:21:04.000 And when the leg lock system came into place, it's like, oh my god.

01:21:07.000 I stopped training really hard somewhere around the time that the leg lock systems got put into place.

01:21:14.000 So I'm a baby when it comes to that. 0.94

01:21:18.000 I might be a black belt in jujitsu, but when I train with Gabe Tuttle and he explains to me all the ashigurami positions and all the different ways to counter, I'm like, holy shit. 0.89

01:21:27.000 This is like starting from scratch almost.

01:21:30.000 It's like I understand how to do a heel hook.

01:21:31.000 I get it.

01:21:32.000 But just the subtle variations on how to defend and when you're safe and when you're not safe and how to set up two, three moves in advance because you're knowing that this person is going to try to get out of it by going this way.

01:21:45.000 So you're stopping this and then you're implementing that.

01:21:48.000 It's crazy.

01:21:49.000 There's so much to learn.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, and then John Danaher, he's sitting there And he's like the wildest on the spectrum brilliant nerd and he's like going through these steps and I'm on the mat and I know I'm about to drill it but I want to run off the mat and go grab a video camera and record it so that I can and then write it down so I would have any chance of remembering all of the details that he put into it.

01:22:12.000 Right.

01:22:13.000 You know, and then I... Paulo Brandao who is...

01:22:16.000 I'm a Hoyle Gracie black belt and he's like the Gracie Humida is here. 0.98

01:22:20.000 I have Gracie Humida Cedar Park.

01:22:21.000 He owns Gracie Humida South.

01:22:23.000 And, like, I'll go back to him and, like, we'll be trying to drill these things together.

01:22:29.000 I'm actually useless, man.

01:22:30.000 I don't even remember how to do this.

01:22:31.000 Why don't you get, like, a little tripod and put your iPhone on it and just, like, film?

01:22:35.000 Eh, I don't know.

01:22:36.000 It's weird.

01:22:37.000 It's not a bad idea.

01:22:38.000 It's not.

01:22:38.000 I think when my knee heals up, that's my move.

01:22:42.000 I think I need to, because all the stuff that I worked with Gabe, I'm like, goddammit, I don't know if I could demonstrate half of it.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, Gordon and John both have online tutorials that are really amazing.

01:22:54.000 Yeah, BJJ Fanatics has hundreds of hours of stuff.

01:22:57.000 Yeah, and they're so easy to consume.

01:23:00.000 It's formatted well, it's filmed well, the audio's good.

01:23:03.000 Yeah, it's very clear, too.

01:23:05.000 They're very clear in the steps, the steps of progression, and what the reasons for doing each individual step are.

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 They're great instructors.

01:23:15.000 Well, John is a cheat code, as Gordon Ryan puts it.

01:23:18.000 He's like, where do you find one of those?

01:23:20.000 Where do you find a guy who is a professor of philosophy at Columbia University, a legit super genius, who then falls in love with jujitsu to the point where he's sleeping on the maths and teaching classes all day long?

01:23:34.000 And...

01:23:35.000 Coincidentally, he's injured.

01:23:37.000 So because he's injured, he can't compete himself. 0.95

01:23:40.000 So he pours all of his brilliance into other people because he's got an artificial hip, and he needs an artificial knee, and he's really fucked for playing rugby when he was younger. 0.96

01:23:49.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:23:50.000 He and I are going to be cornering Rory McDonald.

01:23:55.000 The PFL? Yep, on the PFL. Where's that?

01:23:58.000 It's in Atlanta on July 1st.

01:24:01.000 And so getting Rory ready for this fight. 0.94

01:24:03.000 First of all, that guy's a monster.

01:24:05.000 Roy is awesome. 0.97

01:24:06.000 Roy is not just a great human.

01:24:08.000 I love him to death and his wife is beautiful and such a great woman.

01:24:11.000 But he has evolved as an actor.

01:24:14.000 I've never...

01:24:14.000 I mean, he's always...

01:24:15.000 Remember the Robbie Lawler, Roy McDonald?

01:24:17.000 One of the best fights.

01:24:18.000 How do you forget that fight?

01:24:19.000 Anybody who's never seen it, go and watch it.

01:24:21.000 Jesus Christ, that was a crazy fight.

01:24:23.000 The Glover fight that just happened.

01:24:24.000 Incredible.

01:24:25.000 Those two fights for me are like number one and number one.

01:24:28.000 Yeah, they're right there.

01:24:30.000 But Rory right now physically is a freak. 1.00

01:24:33.000 So I have to...

01:24:35.000 I'll go in right here and get beat up by him at the 10th Planet gym.

01:24:40.000 And then I'll step out and somebody else will go in with him and then John and I will be coaching him.

01:24:45.000 And...

01:24:47.000 Getting the opportunity to coach a fighter with John also gives me a new layer, kind of peeling back the way that his mind works.

01:24:56.000 And he is truly brilliant.

01:24:59.000 You know, he's a great human.

01:25:01.000 He's a great coach.

01:25:03.000 In jiu-jitsu, but he's also a great fighter like he understands how all of it works and putting it together Best spoke for a single person is pretty neat.

01:25:14.000 Yeah, he knows he also coaches people in striking which is wild.

01:25:19.000 Yeah, like Gary Tonin I was like well who's Gary's striking coach like John's Gary's striking coach too.

01:25:24.000 I'm like what?

01:25:26.000 What?

01:25:26.000 But if you told me anybody else was doing it, I'm like, my God, man, go to a real striking coach.

01:25:32.000 But with Donaher, I'm like, okay, all right, I bet he can do it. 0.99

01:25:37.000 The fucking guy has no life outside of the gym. 1.00

01:25:40.000 This is what's crazy. 1.00

01:25:41.000 He'll teach all day long, and then he doesn't have a girlfriend. 1.00

01:25:45.000 He goes and watches fucking wrestling videos. 0.99

01:25:47.000 He's watching guys from Bulgaria wrestle. 1.00

01:25:50.000 He's watching, you know, people from Japan do Kyokushin.

01:25:54.000 He's just like constantly absorbing technique.

01:25:56.000 It's really wild.

01:25:58.000 My least favorite thing to hear from him is when I'm training with a person, and that person that I'm training with does a great thing.

01:26:06.000 John is like, hey, great job, Gordon.

01:26:09.000 You know, like, Gordon Ryan, great sweep.

01:26:10.000 I'm like, oh yeah, I just got, I'm about to get smashed, you know?

01:26:14.000 I hate hearing it on the side of his voice.

01:26:16.000 I hate his voice.

01:26:17.000 Gordon Ryan put pressure on the left shoulder.

01:26:20.000 And very rarely does he go, great job, Tim Kennedy.

01:26:24.000 That doesn't come out very often.

01:26:26.000 He just laughs at me.

01:26:27.000 You have to earn that, I guess.

01:26:29.000 I've heard he's got a lot of really interesting killers that people haven't seen yet.

01:26:33.000 I've invited you a couple of times just to sit there.

01:26:36.000 I can't.

01:26:37.000 I want to train.

01:26:39.000 As soon as this knee has gotten to the point where I'm comfortable that I can push it, I'm going to get back on the mat.

01:26:44.000 I do my conditioning in their morning class time and we set up our bikes and our rowers and our skiers so we can just by osmosis watch technique as they're doing it.

01:26:57.000 So I'm like on the skier, just like this creep, just staring I'm staring into your eyes as I'm just going.

01:27:04.000 My heart rate's up in the yellow, you know.

01:27:06.000 And they just laugh.

01:27:08.000 It's like me and Shane and Sean Apperson.

01:27:11.000 I'm that old school approach where I do my boxing separate.

01:27:15.000 I do my Muay Thai separate.

01:27:17.000 I do my wrestling separate.

01:27:18.000 And I do my Jiu-Jitsu separate.

01:27:20.000 And then I do MMA where I try to put them all together.

01:27:23.000 But I try to develop each of those pieces as kind of a traditionalist style.

01:27:28.000 Have you tried it other ways?

01:27:29.000 Yeah.

01:27:30.000 But you like this way?

01:27:31.000 You like to really concentrate?

01:27:32.000 Well, because I really love...

01:27:33.000 I love the sweet science of boxing, and the footwork is different than when I do Muay Thai.

01:27:39.000 And there's parts...

01:27:40.000 But then I get to go and paint my MMA picture and put it all together in my style.

01:27:45.000 But the...

01:27:47.000 If I'm...

01:27:49.000 For me getting better in jujitsu, if I just did MMA and I'm not, you know, no gi and gi, slightly different techniques, the way I'm going to position my hip for a camora is going to be different.

01:27:59.000 I don't have the friction.

01:28:00.000 You know, I don't have a belt to grab to prevent them from rolling forward.

01:28:04.000 Like these are just slightly variations, different variations.

01:28:07.000 I like doing it really specific to each of the respective arts.

01:28:12.000 Hmm.

01:28:13.000 The only thing that I would think would be difficult to transition back and forth between the two would be Muay Thai and boxing.

01:28:19.000 The Muay Thai boxing thing I think would be difficult because the stances are different and the fear of leg kicks.

01:28:27.000 You can't go heavy on that front leg and move in when a guy could just sidestep and chop your calf.

01:28:35.000 If I want Lama Shako footwork and I'm only doing Muay Thai, But that footwork is really, really useful in MMA. But I'm just doing MMA in Muay Thai.

01:28:45.000 I'm never going to get the good footwork that I need to be a good boxer.

01:28:49.000 And I'm not going to get the good head movement, because the head movement in Muay Thai is way different than that in boxing.

01:28:54.000 And I'm not going to learn how to put my shoulder in the right position to protect my chin, where I can keep my lead hand low, unless I do just boxing.

01:29:02.000 So if I want to take those very unique elements of boxing and then integrate it into my striking style, I do have to train that thing individually and then implement it into my style.

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:14.000 Well, it makes sense.

01:29:16.000 I mean, there's certainly subtleties to each individual thing that you can't learn if you incorporate everything together.

01:29:24.000 And you learn that when you see just combat jiu-jitsu.

01:29:27.000 Combat jiu-jitsu, which is a really interesting concept.

01:29:30.000 I mean, at the beginning, I was like, this sounds silly.

01:29:32.000 You're going to smack each other. 0.99

01:29:34.000 But now I'm like, this is fucking great. 0.99

01:29:35.000 This is awesome. 0.97

01:29:36.000 It makes jujitsu...

01:29:37.000 Well, first of all, there's a lot of things like when guys are in the 50-50 or when they're diving on heel hooks and their face is right there and someone just smashed.

01:29:44.000 And guys are getting TKO'd.

01:29:45.000 You know, I watched quite a few TKOs with just palm strikes to the face.

01:29:49.000 You're getting smashed from the top and you realize like, hey, you can't just grab legs.

01:29:54.000 You can't just grab legs when this guy has full use of his hands and he's standing over you.

01:29:59.000 You're realizing like what things are actually practical.

01:30:03.000 You and I are both old enough to remember the Pancraes days. 0.98

01:30:07.000 Oh yeah!

01:30:07.000 I had 30 fights in Pancraes, half of which were knockouts.

01:30:10.000 Wow.

01:30:11.000 You know, like, I put people to sleep.

01:30:13.000 With palm strikes?

01:30:14.000 With palm strikes.

01:30:15.000 Yeah.

01:30:15.000 You know, the All-Army Combatives Tournament, which is like this arduous, a hell of a tournament.

01:30:19.000 Three days, first day's grappling, second day's Pancraes, third day is MMA. And, uh, violent, violent Pancraes fights with high-level fighters.

01:30:29.000 And, uh, Guys can hit hard.

01:30:32.000 Let's go back to Bas Rutten.

01:30:34.000 Bas Rutten was the best at it.

01:30:35.000 Because he had the most flexible wrists.

01:30:38.000 And he would pull his hand way back.

01:30:41.000 His jab would hurt.

01:30:42.000 His hook would hurt. 0.64

01:30:44.000 Smash guys like this. 0.92

01:30:45.000 Like he was throwing punches. 0.75

01:30:47.000 There's quite a few.

01:30:49.000 I mean, look at this.

01:30:49.000 Yeah, that's beautiful.

01:30:50.000 These are just slaps.

01:30:51.000 But this shows you...

01:30:53.000 And by the way, that's not even the most realistic use of that position.

01:30:57.000 The most realistic use of that position, I go back to Henzo Gracie.

01:31:01.000 When Henzo Gracie fought, there was a judo guy in one of those early World Combat League, one of those early tournaments. 0.98

01:31:09.000 With this fucking guy, it might have been extreme fighting. 0.97

01:31:13.000 This guy apparently was fucking with Henzo and calling him up in the middle of the night and calling his hotel room. 1.00

01:31:19.000 So when Henzo got behind him, he took his back, he just elbowed the base of his brain. 0.99

01:31:25.000 That'll do it.

01:31:26.000 Boom! 0.99

01:31:27.000 Boom! 0.99

01:31:27.000 And that's the most effective use of the back mount. 0.99

01:31:31.000 But because it's illegal to hit someone in the back of the head, we don't see that.

01:31:35.000 I'm not sure why it's illegal to hit someone in the back of the head.

01:31:38.000 Because you get hit in the back of the head all the time.

01:31:40.000 Like, if you get hit with a roundhouse kick, there's a high likelihood you're getting hit in the back of the head. 0.99

01:31:45.000 Because if you're standing sideways and you get neck kicked, guess where that fucking foot is landing? 1.00

01:31:50.000 It's the back of your goddamn head. 1.00

01:31:51.000 You get hit with a heel. 1.00

01:31:53.000 Here's Henzo.

01:31:53.000 So Henzo gets his two of the back.

01:31:55.000 God, I love Henzo.

01:31:55.000 Look at that.

01:31:56.000 Boom! 0.99

01:31:57.000 Boom! 1.00

01:31:57.000 I mean, come the fuck on. 1.00

01:31:58.000 I mean, that is the most effective use of the back mount, because he's using full... 0.99

01:32:04.000 Obviously, he has a fantastic back mount, too.

01:32:07.000 And he's using...

01:32:07.000 And the guy's tapping.

01:32:09.000 He's using...

01:32:09.000 And watch how he steps on him.

01:32:10.000 Watch how he steps on him when he gets off him.

01:32:12.000 Watch this. 1.00

01:32:13.000 Because the guy was a dick. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Get outta here. 1.00

01:32:15.000 He stepped on his neck.

01:32:16.000 And the referee's like, hey, you can't do that.

01:32:18.000 He's like, eh, but I just did.

01:32:20.000 I teach, I call it making soup, where you take the back.

01:32:26.000 It's nice when we're in my gym.

01:32:28.000 I have a judo subfloor, Fuji mats.

01:32:32.000 There's springs.

01:32:33.000 I think there's 16 springs underneath every one of our floors.

01:32:35.000 Oh, that's great.

01:32:36.000 Yeah, like you're on an Olympic judo floor.

01:32:38.000 And padded walls, air conditioning.

01:32:41.000 We got fans.

01:32:42.000 It's just the most conducive environment for it to be nice, safe training.

01:32:46.000 You and I step out into that parking lot, the whole world changes about what jujitsu should look like.

01:32:52.000 Right.

01:32:52.000 So making soup is when I take that back mount, you know, I just take their face and I push it into the ground.

01:32:58.000 You know, like, I only need an inch for me to break his orbital socket in his nose on the concrete.

01:33:02.000 You know, and then, like, once those teeth and a little bit of, you know, the cerebral spinal fluid drips out of the nose, you know, and a little bit of the blood and gum and saliva, like, that all gets mixed in front of this guy's face before the darkness slowly closes in.

01:33:15.000 Like, ba-ba! 0.98

01:33:16.000 That's the end of the fight.

01:33:17.000 Yeah, on concrete and with a back mount.

01:33:19.000 Well, just fighting a judo guy.

01:33:22.000 Imagine that, wearing a winter coat, fighting a judo guy in the street.

01:33:26.000 Satoshi threw me, Olympic gold medalist, just threw me to the ground over and over and over again.

01:33:36.000 Danaher, he's like, how beautiful, because I was on the receiving end of it, he said, how beautiful is it For how effective it is that he can just take somebody and put them on the ground.

01:33:46.000 And I was like, yeah, it's really beautiful.

01:33:50.000 How are his submissions?

01:33:54.000 Definitely not his...

01:33:55.000 I don't think he ever attacked one time.

01:33:57.000 Really?

01:33:58.000 Just control mostly?

01:33:59.000 Yeah, and he had great control.

01:34:01.000 He was really hard to get out from under.

01:34:02.000 He's really strong.

01:34:03.000 He has this gigantic head.

01:34:05.000 Yeah, he's huge.

01:34:05.000 You know, and his hands are, you know, his grips are wild.

01:34:08.000 He's like 5'10", 260, right?

01:34:10.000 Yeah.

01:34:10.000 Yeah, he was hard.

01:34:12.000 Very Mark Hunt-esque.

01:34:14.000 Yep.

01:34:14.000 Yeah.

01:34:15.000 But he's such a sweetheart to train with.

01:34:17.000 He was great, but being able to, you know, I can knock you out with my fist or my elbow or my shin or my knee, but he takes the earth.

01:34:25.000 It hits you with the earth.

01:34:27.000 It hits you with the earth.

01:34:29.000 Yeah.

01:34:29.000 The earth is big.

01:34:30.000 The earth doesn't move when you hit it.

01:34:32.000 It's not like a heavy bag. 0.97

01:34:34.000 You're taking a stubborn, dumb object, me, and then you're taking a non-moving object like the earth and like... 0.92

01:34:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:41.000 I've seen so many horrific street fights on Instagram and YouTube where a guy picks a guy up and slams him on the ground.

01:34:49.000 It's the worst.

01:34:50.000 It's the scariest thing, man, because you land headfirst on the ground like that when somebody...

01:34:54.000 I'll hoist you up in the air.

01:34:55.000 Bam! 1.00

01:34:56.000 I mean, fuck! 0.99

01:34:59.000 Back to leg locks on the ground, I was teaching a course in New York, a sheepdog response course, and there was a couple black belts that were in the course, and we're fighting for guns and knives, they're rubber guns and knives, and I'm in half guard, and I take, you know, 0.99

01:35:14.000 he had the weapon, the gun, in his arm, in his waistband, He was covering it with his arm, and I pulled it out the back.

01:35:21.000 So I now have his gun.

01:35:23.000 And he dives underneath like he's gonna go for a leg lock.

01:35:29.000 While you have the gun?

01:35:30.000 While I have the gun.

01:35:31.000 And I'm standing over him, and I'm just like...

01:35:33.000 So I tap him as he's...

01:35:35.000 I'm good at leg locks, and I'm just moving my feet so he's not getting it finished.

01:35:39.000 But I'm tapping his forehead with the gun.

01:35:42.000 And he still hadn't processed...

01:35:45.000 As he's having this piece of plastic hit him in the face, then he like...

01:35:51.000 Finally opens his eyes and the realization that I'm tapping him in the face with a gun that as he's diving for a leg lock, you know, how dangerous, you know, sports jujitsu is to combat jujitsu.

01:36:02.000 That's why I love that combat jujitsu.

01:36:04.000 It's adding a degree of realness.

01:36:06.000 Well, it's definitely opening up people's eyes that were just straight-up jiu-jitsu players that took a chance and didn't want to do MMA, but said, let me see what happens when you add slaps.

01:36:14.000 But you see guys who excel at that, like guys like Wagner Rocha, who's a jiu-jitsu black belt, but also an MMA fighter.

01:36:25.000 And so he gets on top of guys and smashes them.

01:36:28.000 Just smashes them. 0.96

01:36:29.000 He's good.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, it's just like there's a lot of positions that aren't really effective unless you make this agreement where you're not going to slap or strike.

01:36:38.000 It's the same thing with boxing.

01:36:39.000 People always say boxing is a very effective martial art.

01:36:42.000 Sure, if we make an agreement, then I'm not going to pick you up and throw you on the ground.

01:36:46.000 Or if you make an agreement, I'm not going to kick your legs out from under you.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, it's like, as soon as you make an agreement with that, there's a great video on Glory Kickboxing's Instagram page of this dude, I forget his name, this Russian guy.

01:37:02.000 Like, real high-level guy who fought Badr Hari, fought a lot of guys, but he's fighting this boxer.

01:37:08.000 And it's a boxing versus Muay Thai fight.

01:37:12.000 And it's hilarious to watch, because this is it.

01:37:16.000 Yeah, it's comical.

01:37:17.000 What is his name?

01:37:17.000 Does it say his name?

01:37:21.000 This dude, I've seen this guy fight multiple times.

01:37:24.000 Four of those kicks, we're done.

01:37:26.000 I mean, it's crazy because the guy comes in trying to box and he's just getting his legs destroyed.

01:37:31.000 He never gets a chance to set his feet.

01:37:33.000 And then he gets head kicked and then chopped out and then this is the end of it. 0.99

01:37:37.000 He's like eventually like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:37:39.000 That guy's not walking for days, by the way. 0.99

01:37:43.000 Alexei Ignasov, that's it, right?

01:37:45.000 Yeah, that's the dude. 0.97

01:37:47.000 And he's a fucking super technical guy who was... 0.96

01:37:51.000 I think he actually has one decision win over Badr Hari back in the day. 0.98

01:37:56.000 But super, super high level.

01:37:58.000 He kicks beautifully.

01:37:58.000 Oh my god, he's excellent.

01:38:01.000 His downfall was the hooch. 0.99

01:38:03.000 The guy liked to drink a little bit too much.

01:38:05.000 Partied.

01:38:06.000 Halio Gracie, Hoyler, told me as we're talking about jujitsu evolving, he said, my dad would say that if somebody can touch your face while you're doing jujitsu, that you're doing jujitsu wrong.

01:38:20.000 I'm like, dude.

01:38:23.000 That's brilliant.

01:38:24.000 Yeah.

01:38:25.000 Well, you've seen the Kevin Holland, Jacare fight?

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 He knocks Jacare out from his back.

01:38:31.000 He's on his back.

01:38:31.000 He punches him in the face and staggers him and then finishes him off, which is like, yeah, guys can do that, man.

01:38:37.000 You can't let a guy punch you in the face.

01:38:39.000 Nope.

01:38:39.000 I think it was Eve Edwards told me that Dwayne Ludwig broke his eye socket from the guard.

01:38:47.000 He's in Dwayne's guard and Dwayne broke his eye socket with a punch. 0.99

01:38:50.000 He's like, what the fuck, man? 0.99

01:38:52.000 Well, Dwayne hits hard from everywhere. 1.00

01:38:53.000 Yeah, it was perfect technique.

01:38:56.000 But there's reality to MMA that you need to know if you're a jiu-jitsu guy because you have this distorted idea of what you can and can't do.

01:39:05.000 I love having our jiu-jitsu gym, Gracie Humida Cedar Park, is in our Sheepdog Response building in Cedar Park.

01:39:13.000 So you're always reminded as the Special Forces guys walking by, as this Marine Recon guy is walking by, as this Navy SEAL is walking by.

01:39:23.000 They're all good level fighters, MMA. They also do jiu-jitsu.

01:39:27.000 So when you're out there, Jean-Claude Bedoni is teaching the evening class, super talented black belt.

01:39:37.000 They're still like, I'm walking by.

01:39:39.000 You know, a 220-pound hairy-handed dude with chunked-up hands and scar tissue around his eyes.

01:39:45.000 Don't forget where we are and what this is.

01:39:47.000 This is real jiu-jitsu.

01:39:48.000 Yeah, you're learning a single aspect of fighting.

01:39:52.000 And that aspect doesn't work if you add a lot of other stuff in.

01:39:56.000 An important one.

01:39:57.000 Yes, very important.

01:39:58.000 It was probably the most important. 0.52

01:40:00.000 I mean, one of the things we learned from the early days of the UFC was, with all things considered, if you only know one sport, if you only know one art, jujitsu is pretty fucking effective.

01:40:12.000 It wasn't until everybody else learned jujitsu that jujitsu became a very important aspect of it, but not the primary aspect.

01:40:19.000 Remember the early days of the UFC, all we thought about was jujitsu.

01:40:22.000 Everybody was just scrambling to jujitsu schools.

01:40:25.000 Law enforcement, if you're in law enforcement and you don't train jiu-jitsu, shame on you.

01:40:32.000 Like, period.

01:40:33.000 You have to go and learn it because it is a superpower.

01:40:36.000 And this is why I tell them, like, a trained person touching an untrained person, that untrained person has no choice over what I want to do with their body.

01:40:45.000 I can do anything I want to it.

01:40:47.000 I can effortlessly put their hands behind their back and put them in cuffs.

01:40:51.000 I can move them cautiously and gracefully and kindly to the car as a trained person.

01:40:58.000 It is so powerful to have that control over somebody else.

01:41:03.000 And if you're in that protect and serve mode, it is your obligation.

01:41:07.000 It is your duty to know it.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, it's like having no gun.

01:41:12.000 It's almost like that.

01:41:14.000 It's almost like you're really helpless.

01:41:16.000 And I didn't, you know, when I first started doing jiu-jitsu, I had a very distorted idea of what my abilities would be.

01:41:22.000 And I think that that's a lot of people.

01:41:24.000 I think a lot of people are like, oh, I'm a good athlete, I'm strong, I'll be fine. 1.00

01:41:28.000 And then you find someone who's your size, who just fucking throws you around like a rag doll and strangles you at will, and you're like, oh, shit. 0.99

01:41:36.000 Like, this is fucking different, you know? 1.00

01:41:39.000 But then there's also, like, the other thing. 0.96

01:41:41.000 Like, I had a friend of mine who was a jiu-jitsu black belt who took an MMA fight, and I knew he did no striking.

01:41:47.000 He was not a striker at all.

01:41:49.000 And I go, hey, man, I go, do you know the guy you're fighting?

01:41:53.000 And they're like, no, I don't know the guy I'm fighting.

01:41:55.000 I'm like, what you can do to people with jujitsu, some people can do to you striking. 1.00

01:42:01.000 Like, you're fucked. 0.99

01:42:03.000 Like, you're standing with that guy. 1.00

01:42:04.000 He's just going to, like Anderson Silva or something like that.

01:42:06.000 If you don't know who the guy is, it's like, there's people that you don't know. 0.99

01:42:10.000 They might have only had one fight, but they're fucking nasty. 1.00

01:42:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:14.000 They're really good. 1.00

01:42:15.000 They're just trained really hard and they happen to have never competed or only competed a couple of times. 0.99

01:42:21.000 And you could run into that guy in a fight and that's a terrible place to be, to be butt scooting towards some guy who's trying to literally separate the muscle from the fucking shin, you know, or separate your thigh meat with his shins. 0.98

01:42:36.000 Like, this is terrifying. 0.99

01:42:37.000 It's awesome.

01:42:39.000 You opened all of that with a guy that trains really hard.

01:42:43.000 That's the thing.

01:42:44.000 You train really hard.

01:42:46.000 Whatever it is your modality is, if you don't do that thing hard, you don't train that thing hard against a fully resistant opponent, then you're not going to be good.

01:42:54.000 But if you do, man, you're a force.

01:42:57.000 Yeah, you're a force.

01:42:58.000 And it's a beautiful thing to have, just that ability.

01:43:01.000 And it's a beautiful thing to practice just for fun.

01:43:03.000 Like, you could practice archery and never want to shoot an animal, only want to shoot a target.

01:43:09.000 You can practice jiu-jitsu and never want to get into a fight.

01:43:13.000 But the beautiful thing is you have this talent now.

01:43:16.000 You have this ability.

01:43:18.000 Even if you never use it, if all you do is train, that's fine. 0.99

01:43:21.000 But if the shit goes down, your body knows what to do. 0.98

01:43:24.000 It's like instinctively, if you lock up with someone, you're gonna look for an inside trip. 0.99

01:43:28.000 You're gonna know what to do.

01:43:30.000 When you get to a side control position and you see there's an opportunity to mount, you're gonna mount them.

01:43:34.000 If they turn over, you're gonna take their back.

01:43:36.000 If the neck is there, you're going to take the choke.

01:43:38.000 It's just going to be there.

01:43:39.000 You've done it so many times.

01:43:41.000 Instead of having to think through things like, I saw the UFC. I'll do this.

01:43:45.000 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:43:46.000 You're not going to be able to do that.

01:43:48.000 You have to train it.

01:43:48.000 But if you do train it, you don't have to use it.

01:43:50.000 But if you need to use it, it's fucking there. 0.97

01:43:53.000 It's there. 0.98

01:43:54.000 That applies with all training.

01:43:55.000 You know, whatever theater that we're traveling to...

01:44:01.000 Ukraine, Afghanistan, the military and special operations, you know, they train that skill set, the basic fundamentals so much that you can take these guys and put them anywhere, and they perform at such a high level.

01:44:18.000 It's because of the training.

01:44:20.000 It's because it is so rigorous, it's so arduous, you know.

01:44:25.000 It doesn't matter where they go.

01:44:27.000 They're still able to do whatever the mission is.

01:44:29.000 That's the argument that's like missing about the police, is that the police don't train the way special operations train, but yet they're involved in combat scenarios on a regular basis.

01:44:42.000 Yeah, so what we're experiencing right now is a byproduct of what society has forced police to become.

01:44:47.000 They're demonizing military training for law enforcement.

01:44:51.000 And then obviously we just experienced defund the police.

01:44:54.000 And nearly every large city has seen a crazy rise in crime.

01:44:59.000 And the ones that these large cities that defunded their police, to include Austin, you know, we've never seen homicides like this.

01:45:07.000 You get in the Chicago's and the Boston's, you're just like crazy.

01:45:10.000 This is so scary.

01:45:12.000 And how does it make any sense that I'm going to provide this group that I want to protect us with less training and less funding, but then still want them to be a better product to be able to protect us?

01:45:28.000 And then the people that they're protecting, I'm going to disarm.

01:45:32.000 So the people coming to save them are untrained and unprepared.

01:45:37.000 It's creating this disastrous situation. 1.00

01:45:40.000 It's not like, I want to prevent rapes from happening, so me as a good person, I'm going to chop my penis off. 1.00

01:45:47.000 Like, that's the dumbest argument you could ever make. 1.00

01:45:50.000 Like, that's not going to prevent rapes. 1.00

01:45:51.000 It is going and empowering people or preventing consequences for a rapist to try and rape somebody. 0.98

01:45:57.000 You know, it's not cutting the genitals off of every man. 0.99

01:46:01.000 Right. 0.99

01:46:01.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:46:02.000 So what do you think is the roadblock for, I mean, obviously what you're saying in terms of with law enforcement is it's common sense.

01:46:10.000 So why is it so hard to get something implemented like a rigorous training course?

01:46:20.000 I think it's ignorance.

01:46:22.000 I think the first thing is society, culture right now.

01:46:26.000 We have been...

01:46:28.000 We've been emasculating the law enforcement for a while.

01:46:33.000 You know, we want a kinder, softer, gentler, you know, and I get they're dealing with mental health and we can have specialists that can come in and deal with somebody having a mental health crisis.

01:46:46.000 But we still need men and women that will run towards the sound of gunfire and know what to do.

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:53.000 And we don't right now.

01:46:55.000 We have been weakening them and we have been making them ill-equipped to respond to that.

01:47:03.000 And then I think Uvalde is a great example of not properly trained with broken systems that are not ready to do the right thing.

01:47:13.000 And we will have more of that unless we get them the right training, and we get our schools to become hard targets, and then we go upstream to the origin, the genesis of these problems, which is mental health with the individual.

01:47:26.000 If we don't do those things, then it's never gonna be fixed.

01:47:30.000 I think everybody agrees that the problem is a mental health problem, ultimately, because there's only one way you could ever do something like that. 0.98

01:47:36.000 You have to be mentally ill.

01:47:37.000 So how does someone solve the mental health aspect of it? 0.97

01:47:41.000 I mean, what can be done?

01:47:43.000 I believe it is a large cultural shift.

01:47:48.000 You know, the nuclear family where, you know, mother and father are loving their child and trying to make that person be a healthy, adjusted human, that has been demonized.

01:47:58.000 So with a broken family comes often a broken person.

01:48:05.000 Masculinity, it's been attacked nonstop.

01:48:07.000 And, you know, we've demonized any kind of masculine attributes.

01:48:12.000 You know, let's in every way try to feminize men. 1.00

01:48:17.000 And a feminine man is a dangerous thing when it comes to violence. 1.00

01:48:25.000 Now, on the spectrum of being a man, we have very feminine men, and I love them, and they're fine, and I'll take care of them.

01:48:32.000 And that there's nothing wrong with that.

01:48:34.000 But a broken one is a dangerous thing.

01:48:37.000 Any broken thing, especially one that's capable of violence.

01:48:43.000 One that's capable of violence, who feels like the world has abandoned them and they want to leave a mark.

01:48:47.000 Bullying, cyberbullying, social media, video games, movies, all of...

01:48:53.000 When I say it's a cultural shift, it has to be this large effort of all of us being like, okay, these are not things that are healthy for...

01:49:03.000 Us to have a healthy society.

01:49:05.000 But most people who play violent video games would never be violent.

01:49:08.000 For sure.

01:49:09.000 The vast majority.

01:49:09.000 For sure.

01:49:10.000 They're just kids who enjoy it or adults who enjoy it because they think it's fun.

01:49:14.000 Yep.

01:49:14.000 And I want them to be able to still do that.

01:49:16.000 Yeah, me too.

01:49:17.000 I think of it the same way I think about gun control.

01:49:21.000 Like the vast majority of people would never use a gun in a mass shooting.

01:49:25.000 I don't think the solution is to punish everyone by eliminating the right and taking away your constitutional right.

01:49:32.000 I don't think that's the solution.

01:49:33.000 I think the solution is you have to figure out a way to prevent it from happening in these vulnerable places. 0.99

01:49:39.000 And did you hear it was a fucking shooting again yesterday? 0.99

01:49:41.000 No. 1.00

01:49:42.000 At a kid's camp in Dallas and they killed the guy immediately?

01:49:46.000 Oh, I did, yeah. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Showed up at a fucking kids camp with 250 people and opened fire and the cops got to him quick. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Shoot out with the cops. 1.00

01:49:57.000 The cops killed him. 0.99

01:49:59.000 I mean, but you're not hearing about it because guns were used to prevent another mass shooting.

01:50:05.000 That's another very difficult group of data to find is the number of shootings that were prevented by somebody with a gun.

01:50:13.000 Yeah.

01:50:14.000 It's really, I mean, as somebody that runs a training company, I'm always looking for not just anecdotal examples, but data for me to be like, okay, what was a good thing that happened?

01:50:23.000 What was a dangerous thing that happened in the AAR of, I want to AAR every shooting, an after-action review.

01:50:30.000 I want to look at the things that they did right and the things that they did wrong.

01:50:33.000 I want to sustain the things that they did right, and then I want to make sure that we address the things that did wrong so we, in training, have a better system.

01:50:42.000 And we're trying to do that with shootings, and it pops up for a second, like there was, you know, a shooting at this mall in San Antonio, and somebody in the parking lot, it was, the guy gets out of the car, he's walking towards the mall, and somebody spots him,

01:50:57.000 and ends up confronting him, and was concealed carrying, and stopped this guy from doing this active shooter.

01:51:02.000 It was impossible to find.

01:51:04.000 Any of the information about what happened.

01:51:07.000 And that's very commonplace about how difficult it is to find that type of data.

01:51:15.000 Well, Coleon was on the podcast a couple days ago.

01:51:17.000 Love that guy.

01:51:17.000 I love that guy, too.

01:51:19.000 And we broke down the numbers.

01:51:22.000 And when they talk about gun violence, it's staggering the amount of gun violence that's actually suicide.

01:51:26.000 He said it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 65%.

01:51:29.000 Whew.

01:51:29.000 And then, you know, there's cops killing bad guys.

01:51:32.000 That's a certain percentage of it.

01:51:34.000 And then a giant chunk is gang violence.

01:51:36.000 Yeah.

01:51:37.000 And so when you get down to, like, what is actually happening with guns, like, there's a lot of socioeconomic problems that are contributing to this.

01:51:45.000 There's a lot of cultural problems that are contributing to it because you have these communities that have never been fixed.

01:51:50.000 They have the same issues that they've had for decades upon decades because they've been ignored.

01:51:54.000 And why we'll spend...

01:51:56.000 Billions of dollars to help foreign countries. 0.98

01:51:59.000 We don't spend a fucking nickel to try to fix all these really damaged and fucked up inner cities where people are growing up with this heightened sense of despair. 0.97

01:52:08.000 It never gets any better. 0.99

01:52:09.000 Everyone around you is either involved in crime or affected by crime.

01:52:14.000 There's drug dealing and violence and gang violence.

01:52:17.000 This is your reality, and the only way to get social cred is to become a shooter, to become somebody who's capable of doing the horrific things that you're seeing all around you.

01:52:28.000 And then, if I'm looking for an argument for me to say how dangerous firearms are, I just automatically grab gun violence in its entirety and don't understand or break down.

01:52:39.000 I don't take that one extra minute to go a layer deep to understand what the real numbers look like. 0.79

01:52:45.000 But I'll just take that that those mass aggregates and be like oh yeah look look at all this like no man like 65% of that's suicide and a lot of this is gang violence a whole bunch of it is law enforcement yeah it's lame it's a lame blanket to throw over gun violence you know mass shootings are fucking horrific but you know what's also considered mass shootings when they talk about the amount of mass shootings is when gangs get together and shoot at each other that's a mass shooting because there's more than one people shot and there's more you know it's just But

01:53:15.000 the bottom line about all of it is we keep looking at one aspect of the problem, which is the amount of guns.

01:53:24.000 We're not looking at the mental health aspect of it.

01:53:26.000 You hear no legislation or no programs that are being implemented and put into place to try to reach out to people and help people that have been bullied, that are filled with despair, and they feel like their life is over before it's even begun.

01:53:45.000 Yeah.

01:53:45.000 First, if you're out there, I love you.

01:53:48.000 If you've been bullied, I'm sorry.

01:53:50.000 But find one of us, because we'll talk to you.

01:53:55.000 There's hope tomorrow's going to be better.

01:53:57.000 It's hard to believe that while it's happening to you, when you feel like your world is over.

01:54:02.000 I've personally experienced that.

01:54:05.000 I've had...

01:54:06.000 I was in Morro Bay, California.

01:54:09.000 Took all my clothes off and swam due west into the ocean.

01:54:14.000 You know, I had a couple of women pregnant. 1.00

01:54:16.000 I thought I might have HIV. You know, I lost my pro fight.

01:54:22.000 Dark, dark moment and swam a mile, two miles out into the fog.

01:54:28.000 Jesus Christ.

01:54:29.000 Yeah.

01:54:30.000 Tread in water in this cold water.

01:54:34.000 And I'm in the fog now.

01:54:35.000 Like, I couldn't see the rock anymore.

01:54:36.000 I couldn't hear the waves anymore.

01:54:38.000 I have no idea which way the coast is.

01:54:40.000 And I just had to sit there and tread water.

01:54:42.000 It was one of the scariest moments of my life.

01:54:44.000 And the coldness, man, I wanted to live so bad.

01:54:48.000 I never, I wasn't thinking about killing myself.

01:54:50.000 You know, like, I just was so, I just needed a moment.

01:54:53.000 You know, I needed a baptism.

01:54:55.000 I needed to be like a phoenix rising from the ashes.

01:54:57.000 You swam a mile out?

01:54:58.000 At least, yeah.

01:55:00.000 I mean, I'm a good swimmer.

01:55:01.000 My dad was an Olympic-level swimmer.

01:55:02.000 We grew up swimming at a... 1.00

01:55:04.000 Yeah, but ocean swimming's a motherfucker. 0.99

01:55:07.000 Yeah, especially in Morro Bay. 0.98

01:55:08.000 If you're on the north side of that rock, the current from the south side of the rock through the breakers, I mean, there's some powerful current.

01:55:16.000 And...

01:55:17.000 You know, I swam for about 45 minutes.

01:55:19.000 I mean, that's a mile and a half at least. 0.59

01:55:22.000 And so I'm just treading water in the fog, butt-ass naked.

01:55:26.000 And thank God somebody saw me walk into the water.

01:55:31.000 And Morrow Bay is like a retirement city.

01:55:33.000 And so I'm assuming, I'm just imagining, I never knew who it was.

01:55:37.000 This old woman went and called the Coast Guard. 0.96

01:55:40.000 And the Coast Guard boat, this is one of the earliest chapters in my book, is describing, like this is kind of, 9-11 happened very shortly after that and woke me up as to, I need to do something.

01:55:52.000 And this Coast Guard boat comes up and this captain has his legs dangling off the side of the boat.

01:55:58.000 He's like, hey, what are you doing down there?

01:56:02.000 My arrogance as a young man, our frontal lobe, not developed, clearly at this moment.

01:56:07.000 I'm like, I'm swimming. 0.99

01:56:08.000 He's like, no shit. 1.00

01:56:10.000 Even in that moment, I'm a sarcastic little prick. 1.00

01:56:13.000 And he's like, so what's going on?

01:56:15.000 So I give him a summary, a little executive summary of my life right now.

01:56:19.000 Are you still in the water?

01:56:20.000 I'm still in the water.

01:56:21.000 He's just talking to me as I'm treading water.

01:56:24.000 And...

01:56:27.000 I give him the update, and he's like, man, I was gonna offer you to get out of the drink, but quite frankly, I'd just stay down there. 0.99

01:56:34.000 I'm like, oh my God, what a dick, right? 0.99

01:56:36.000 And I was like, yeah, but it's real cold. 0.99

01:56:39.000 And he leans over, and he's like, I see that.

01:56:41.000 I'm like, you are...

01:56:43.000 He's like, just these mental punches of me treading water.

01:56:46.000 I've been out here for 45 minutes, 53 degree water, in the fog.

01:56:51.000 Thank God he didn't run over me.

01:56:52.000 And he's like, I'm gonna only offer one time if you want to get out of that water.

01:56:57.000 I want to get out of the water.

01:56:58.000 So he throws down one of those cargo nets off the side of the boat.

01:57:01.000 My hands could barely work, you know, like I clamber up the side of the boat with like little claw hands.

01:57:06.000 And he put one of those navy wool blankets, they're green, and it's just like pure wool.

01:57:11.000 And it felt like millions of little needles stabbing me in my back.

01:57:14.000 And it was like the most wonderful feeling.

01:57:17.000 You know, so I sympathize to that feeling of darkness, but I also have seen the other side of it.

01:57:22.000 And I like I wanted to live so bad and feeling all that pain all over my back.

01:57:27.000 Like it was the most wonderful feeling to know I'm alive.

01:57:30.000 You know, I never And so I get what that darkness feels like, but I also know how beautiful life is after that.

01:57:39.000 Like, you could have died out there.

01:57:41.000 For sure.

01:57:42.000 Very easily.

01:57:43.000 Yeah.

01:57:43.000 Very easily.

01:57:44.000 And if you didn't get rescued by the Coast Guard and the fog didn't lift...

01:57:51.000 Yeah, I don't believe in God or whatever I do, but I know there's no way to describe why I'm not dead.

01:57:59.000 When you go through my life and you read moments like this, you're just like, this is not possible.

01:58:07.000 You know, from Afghanistan, you know, just this last August to Ukraine to combat tours, you know, getting blown up in Afghanistan and, you know, multi-day gunfights.

01:58:16.000 Periods of time where I'm like crawling on the ground trying to find a magazine that has bullets in it because I've run out of bullets.

01:58:21.000 When you start going through this, you're just like, this is...

01:58:24.000 But moments like that, you know, God's pretty rad.

01:58:29.000 Thanks, man.

01:58:30.000 Do you think you're fortunate or do you think that there's really like a plan out there for you?

01:58:37.000 Do you think that you are doing enough good work that somehow or another this is either predestined or you're just making the best out of it as it goes along and you decide that it's predestined?

01:58:54.000 Yes, I mean, back to confirmation bias, right?

01:58:56.000 Like, I can have my beliefs and I'm looking for examples that support that construct.

01:58:59.000 But I think objectively, if you take a step back and you look into every religion, you know, and if we're looking at karma, people that do good and you see good that comes back to them, however that happens...

01:59:15.000 I believe that I know what I'm supposed to be doing here.

01:59:17.000 I'm supposed to be equipping and training people to be able to preserve and protect human life.

01:59:23.000 I know that.

01:59:24.000 You're not just doing that.

01:59:26.000 You're also making people better humans.

01:59:28.000 And that, I think, is as much of a part of it as anything.

01:59:31.000 Is that in doing that, in training and equipping people to take care of themselves and to protect life and training people in martial arts, you're making better humans.

01:59:42.000 They become better human.

01:59:45.000 Some people don't want to hear that because they don't want to do the work.

01:59:47.000 So they don't want to hear that that makes you a better human.

01:59:49.000 But guess what it does?

01:59:50.000 It does.

01:59:51.000 It does.

01:59:52.000 We're both examples of it. 0.99

01:59:55.000 You're a really bad, horrible person for a while, you know? 0.93

02:00:00.000 You've talked about it many times, and anybody that knows me, I carry a ton of shame and humiliation over periods of my life, and when I talk to somebody that knew me back then, I'm like, oh, man. 0.99

02:00:11.000 Every young man is just filled with ego and anger, and you could go and take that anger and channel it in the worst ways possible and ruin a bunch of people's lives, or...

02:00:24.000 You can find martial arts and become an inspiration and help a lot of people and become a better human being.

02:00:31.000 And that's what's happened to both of us.

02:00:33.000 And it's happened to countless people that we know. 0.99

02:00:36.000 Every fucking manly man that I know has had anger issues and has had ego issues and has had all these things that we call toxic masculinity. 0.99

02:00:47.000 All these things that befall so many men because there's a long history of men Fighting in wars, protecting families, hunting and gathering, and needing to have this ability to perform violence and this ability to be aggressive. 0.99

02:01:05.000 And with no channel of that, you can get off the fucking rails pretty easily. 0.97

02:01:10.000 Real easy! 0.98

02:01:11.000 But then you look at these giant, you know, the Jocko Willinks, you know, and the Glover Teixeiras.

02:01:17.000 There's not a nicer human than Glover.

02:01:19.000 Right.

02:01:19.000 You know, like, the kindest sweet...

02:01:21.000 He and I trained together when he was a purple belt.

02:01:24.000 When he first came to the United States, First time that he had his crappy little visa and walked into the pit and was at slow kickboxing, just mopping the mats with all of us. 0.97

02:01:37.000 At the time, we would have to drive from San Luis Obispo to Santa Barbara to train with the closest purple belt. 0.99

02:01:44.000 Wow.

02:01:44.000 So this has got to be like early 90s then, right?

02:01:47.000 Yep.

02:01:48.000 Mid-90s.

02:01:50.000 Glover was the boogeyman for like six years because he couldn't get into the United States.

02:01:54.000 For six years, he was the scariest guy in the 205-pound division that wasn't in the UFC. And I was always keeping an eye on him.

02:02:00.000 I was always like, when are we going to get Glover into the UFC? And then he got into the UFC and I don't know if Kyle Kingsbury was his first fight, but it was one of his first fights.

02:02:09.000 I was there for that.

02:02:10.000 And I watched him maul Kyle. 1.00

02:02:12.000 I was like, holy fuck is this guy good. 0.99

02:02:15.000 Which goes to show you how goddamn good Jon Jones is. 0.99

02:02:18.000 Because Jon Jones was the first guy to shut him down inside the octagon. 0.96

02:02:23.000 Jon's the best to ever do it.

02:02:24.000 He's one of them.

02:02:26.000 I mean, my GOAT list is pretty long because I don't think you could say there's one guy that's the best.

02:02:33.000 Because, like, Khabib never even got challenged. 1.00

02:02:36.000 I mean, it's hard to...

02:02:37.000 I mean, Khabib didn't fight as many people as Jon did.

02:02:40.000 He didn't defend his title as many as Jon did.

02:02:43.000 But Khabib... 0.97

02:02:44.000 Michael Johnson was the only one to even crack him.

02:02:46.000 Michael Johnson tagged him one time, and he beat the fuck out of Michael Johnson in that fight.

02:02:51.000 You remember when he was on top of him?

02:02:53.000 Yeah, when he was, like, telling him?

02:02:53.000 Yeah, you know I'm supposed to fight for a title.

02:02:55.000 You know I'm supposed to- He was talking to him, I think he was talking.

02:02:58.000 Yeah.

02:02:59.000 He's like, I'm going to hurt you, just stop.

02:03:01.000 And he's saying, give up now. 0.99

02:03:02.000 And he got him in a Kimura, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, will you fucking tap? 0.92

02:03:05.000 Because it got so far back, I'm waiting for that snap that we've all seen so many times, like the Frank Mir, Nogueira. 0.96

02:03:11.000 The spinal fractures.

02:03:12.000 Oh, oh, the Jacare one.

02:03:15.000 The arm never comes back from it. 0.99

02:03:17.000 That upper arm snap is fucking horrific, man. 0.99

02:03:20.000 There's something about that one, when they get the Kimura, ugh. 1.00

02:03:24.000 I did it standing in combat to a guy that tried to grab some stuff off my kit.

02:03:30.000 And the Kimura is like the best technique to defend.

02:03:33.000 If somebody's trying to take stuff off of you, like law enforcement, it's one of the first techniques that they should learn about how to keep their weapon on them, right?

02:03:41.000 Lock the wrist, reach over, grab their own wrist, bring their wrist back behind their head.

02:03:45.000 Yeah.

02:03:46.000 In a snap, I break literally every bone in his whole entire arm and dislocate his shoulder and his collarbone snaps as his face hits the wall and it breaks all the bones in his face.

02:03:59.000 I have grenades and flashbangs and knives and a gun all on my body armor.

02:04:05.000 So you can't take that stuff.

02:04:08.000 But it was that fast.

02:04:10.000 His whole arm, he'll never use again.

02:04:12.000 It's wild.

02:04:13.000 Yeah, it's such an effective...

02:04:14.000 Yeah, it's horrific.

02:04:17.000 When Frank Mir did it to Noguera, I'll never forget the...

02:04:20.000 When you know it, it goes over, just...

02:04:23.000 And Noguera's laying there looking at his arm and...

02:04:28.000 Heartbreaking.

02:04:29.000 Woo! 0.99

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:30.000 I don't want to...

02:04:31.000 I'm never going to experience that.

02:04:33.000 I'm going to tap way early.

02:04:34.000 Oh, don't show it!

02:04:35.000 What are you doing to us, Jamie?

02:04:38.000 Oh, man.

02:04:38.000 That's not even the worst one.

02:04:40.000 Frank Mir has broken a few arms.

02:04:41.000 The worst one, in my opinion, was the Tim Sylvia one when he snapped his forearm because he bends his forearm backwards.

02:04:48.000 Here it is.

02:04:50.000 He was kind of on the Frank...

02:04:53.000 Yeah.

02:04:55.000 So Frank gets on top, and when Frank gets on top, this is the arm.

02:04:59.000 It's that right arm.

02:05:02.000 Yeah, get ready.

02:05:03.000 He had great submission power.

02:05:09.000 There it is.

02:05:10.000 He's got it.

02:05:11.000 So Noguera, in trying to advance position, he left that arm out there.

02:05:15.000 Here it comes.

02:05:16.000 No!

02:05:19.000 Here it comes.

02:05:21.000 And...

02:05:22.000 As he rolls him over.

02:05:23.000 He rolls him over twice.

02:05:24.000 That's right.

02:05:24.000 That's right here.

02:05:25.000 I'm like flexing my whole body.

02:05:27.000 Snap! 0.99

02:05:30.000 I can't breathe.

02:05:32.000 That's uncomfortable.

02:05:34.000 That's horrific.

02:05:35.000 That made my palms sweat.

02:05:37.000 Yeah, that arm's never the same again.

02:05:39.000 No.

02:05:39.000 And Noguera's so nice.

02:05:41.000 Yeah.

02:05:42.000 He's such a gem.

02:05:43.000 He's such a gem.

02:05:44.000 But that arm has a giant scar.

02:05:46.000 Forever.

02:05:47.000 Like a fish getting gutted.

02:05:48.000 You have never broken a bone.

02:05:50.000 Really?

02:05:50.000 No.

02:05:51.000 Nothing?

02:05:51.000 Nothing.

02:05:52.000 Not even a hand?

02:05:52.000 Nope.

02:05:53.000 Wow!

02:05:54.000 That's crazy!

02:05:55.000 How's that possible?

02:05:56.000 I don't know if it's like John Hackleman, old school, you know, we'd hit boards sometimes, you know, we'd hit bags without gloves sometimes.

02:06:04.000 I know boxing coaches right now are like, don't listen to Tim, you know, keep your gloves and wraps on, but like...

02:06:09.000 There's something to that.

02:06:10.000 There is something to that.

02:06:11.000 I've never broken my hand in any way.

02:06:15.000 That's crazy.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 Do you ever use makiwara?

02:06:18.000 Yeah.

02:06:19.000 That, I mean, there's something real about that for sure.

02:06:22.000 I mean, you see the giant calluses that people build up on their knuckles.

02:06:24.000 I mean, that's gotta...

02:06:25.000 And the early martial arts, you know, I had Shotokan Karate in there.

02:06:27.000 I had, you know, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.

02:06:30.000 I had Taekwondo.

02:06:31.000 So there was, like, lots of form strikes, boards, and all those things just developed...

02:06:40.000 Amazing that you've never broken anything.

02:06:42.000 That's crazy.

02:06:42.000 By early fights, I wouldn't rap.

02:06:44.000 Really?

02:06:44.000 Yeah.

02:06:45.000 You just put the gloves over?

02:06:46.000 I just put the gloves on.

02:06:47.000 And I probably had 20 or 30 fights on Indian reservations, kind of pre-real sanctioning, before states were allowing MMA. What was the logic?

02:06:58.000 That there's less padding?

02:06:59.000 No, I like to feel and grip and grab.

02:07:03.000 I didn't have the Winkle Johns and the Gibsons to wrap my hands perfect like they do now. 0.98

02:07:09.000 Early fighting, we would literally use boxing wraps and then tape our hands.

02:07:15.000 We didn't know any better.

02:07:18.000 So I was like, I don't, I can't grab like this, you know, and I definitely can't punch like this, so I'd rather wear, you know, I have big hands, I'd rather wear like a medium-sized glove that I just have to force my hand in.

02:07:28.000 I'm wearing a smaller glove so my hand can get into different angles and I definitely can grab a lot easier.

02:07:34.000 Yeah.

02:07:35.000 It's like I just liked it.

02:07:36.000 Have you ever thought of the argument that we should have no gloves?

02:07:39.000 Yeah.

02:07:39.000 Because I kind of, I'm with that up until I saw the bare knuckle boxing and people's faces get destroyed.

02:07:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:45.000 I'm like, God damn. 0.99

02:07:46.000 Like, when you see Chris Lieben, do you see Chris Lieben's face after one of his fights? 0.99

02:07:49.000 It looks like he got attacked with a hatchet.

02:07:50.000 Yeah.

02:07:51.000 Even, like, Chad Mendes, you know, he dominated that whole entire fight.

02:07:56.000 Yeah.

02:07:56.000 You know, he comes out, he had a couple of cuts, you know, and he's swollen up.

02:08:00.000 But I love it.

02:08:02.000 And I love...

02:08:03.000 It's just weird that you can kick someone in the face with your shins, you can elbow someone in the face with your elbows, no covering or protection at all.

02:08:12.000 Those things are both much harder than your hands.

02:08:14.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:08:14.000 You could kick things pretty fucking hard with your shin, or you could never hit them like that. 0.97

02:08:18.000 Just think of shin-on-shin contact when people crack shins together. 0.99

02:08:22.000 It's horrible.

02:08:23.000 But if you hit your hand on a shin like that, it's probably going to break.

02:08:27.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 So why is it that you can protect your hands with a wrap?

02:08:32.000 It gives you an unrealistic expectation of what the hands are capable of doing.

02:08:36.000 Yeah.

02:08:37.000 I think because it prolongs action.

02:08:39.000 I guess.

02:08:40.000 You get more violence.

02:08:42.000 You get more punchy-punchy.

02:08:44.000 I guess.

02:08:45.000 It's just like there's some things that are unrealistic.

02:08:48.000 One thing I do like, and it's very controversial, but I like 1FC's policy of strikes on the ground.

02:08:55.000 You can knead it ahead on the ground.

02:08:57.000 I love it.

02:08:57.000 My favorite, Jason Mayhem Miller.

02:09:00.000 We had two fights against each other.

02:09:02.000 The first one, we were allowed to, like, pride rules.

02:09:05.000 You know, soccer kicks, knees to the head, on the ground.

02:09:08.000 Where was that in?

02:09:08.000 What organization?

02:09:09.000 It was ECC Elite Cage Fighting Championship.

02:09:12.000 Wild eight-man tournament.

02:09:14.000 We had Dennis Kang, Jason Mayhem Miller, Ryan... 1.00

02:09:16.000 Dennis Kang was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:09:17.000 He was bad. 1.00

02:09:19.000 He was a bad...

02:09:19.000 People forgot about him.

02:09:20.000 Oh, I did not. 1.00

02:09:21.000 For a long time, he was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:09:25.000 He was so good. 1.00

02:09:25.000 Never quite made it to that championship level, but there were some years where Dennis Kang was a fucking straight-up killer. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Yes, he was. 0.98

02:09:35.000 And... 0.99

02:09:35.000 In that eight-man tournament, he's a killer. 0.99

02:09:38.000 That fight, mopped the mat with Jason Mayhem Miller. 0.90

02:09:41.000 You know, I just crushed him on the ground, knees to the head, soccer kicks to the head, you know, he's trying to fight off his back, and I'm just like eating his legs up.

02:09:49.000 He shoots a crappy shot, you know, a little snap down on the north-south, you know, as he's belly down, just dropping knees to the sides and top of his head.

02:09:57.000 One fight, you know, then fast forward two years.

02:10:01.000 I think we're the same person, slightly different rule set.

02:10:06.000 And it's proper MMA. And I lose a split decision.

02:10:11.000 But you see us in almost the exact same positions with the same...

02:10:14.000 But I just wasn't allowed to do damage in half the positions.

02:10:18.000 It's weird to like...

02:10:19.000 Well, it's like what you're talking about with the combatives training.

02:10:22.000 That if I can tap you in the head with a gun, that's not good.

02:10:25.000 Nope. 0.98

02:10:26.000 And if you're in a position where I could knee you in the head, I feel like that should be implemented. 1.00

02:10:31.000 I feel like we're getting an unrealistic idea of what's possible in these positions.

02:10:36.000 I gotta put my hand on the ground.

02:10:37.000 Oh, you can't touch me.

02:10:38.000 Did you see Mighty Mouse's fight where he got KO'd with a knee to the ground in one FC? I think 1FC has a better rule set in that regard.

02:10:45.000 Me too.

02:10:46.000 But I also don't like cages.

02:10:47.000 I think they should fight in a large open area.

02:10:50.000 Because there's a thing about a cage that allows you to get back up to your feet.

02:10:53.000 It also allows you to take guys down. 0.99

02:10:55.000 I think much more realistic is like, if you can have a basketball game, and you can have it on this big-ass fucking basketball court, why can't you have two guys stand in the middle of that big-ass basketball court, mat that fucker up, everybody gets a clear view. 0.99

02:11:10.000 Yeah, as a... 0.99

02:11:12.000 I was undefeated in the smaller cage.

02:11:15.000 People can't get away.

02:11:17.000 I know.

02:11:18.000 I would chase, you know, like Luke Rockhold.

02:11:20.000 You watch that fight, we're in the big cage, and I'm chasing him around the whole entire fight, and he's just like peppering me with good footwork and outside strikes, you know, and then we get to the little cage with Melvin Menhoff and Robbie Lawler.

02:11:31.000 Both of those fights were in little cages, and you watch how that fight went down.

02:11:33.000 You know, like I just, like a pit bull on top of him, and I just mauled him.

02:11:37.000 And totally different like you you give Robbie an extra five feet of circumference like that dude's gonna be blasting me from the outside in that Southpaw with that nasty cross the whole entire fight.

02:11:48.000 No, thank you.

02:11:48.000 Yeah Yeah, it's crazy like people forget that you had this long career in like so many you fought in so many organizations Before you got to the UFC was running from the UFC and You're running from them?

02:12:04.000 Yeah.

02:12:04.000 In what way?

02:12:05.000 I was making so much more money.

02:12:07.000 Oh.

02:12:08.000 My first fight in the UFC, I made half the money that I made in my fight, the one fight before that.

02:12:16.000 Really?

02:12:16.000 Yeah.

02:12:17.000 Half.

02:12:18.000 Wow.

02:12:19.000 Yeah.

02:12:21.000 And zero sponsor money.

02:12:24.000 You know, like, peak sponsor money.

02:12:27.000 You came in, was Reebok already in place with the no sponsor money?

02:12:31.000 No sponsor money.

02:12:33.000 That thing... 0.62

02:12:33.000 Yeah, Hodger Gracie was my first fight in the UFC. I had one fight... 0.62

02:12:39.000 Was Hodger in the UFC or was that in Strikeforce?

02:12:41.000 No, Hodger was my first fight in the UFC. I forgot Hodger fought in the UFC. Wow.

02:12:48.000 Super scary moment when I shot a crappy single leg and he took my back.

02:12:52.000 I had Hodger Gracie on my back.

02:12:54.000 This is not according to plan. 1.00

02:12:56.000 Greg Jackson's like, you're dumb, Tim. 1.00

02:12:58.000 You're so dumb. 1.00

02:12:59.000 Why did you do that? 1.00

02:13:00.000 You're not supposed to do this.

02:13:02.000 How did you wind up with Jackson's?

02:13:04.000 What led you to be over there?

02:13:07.000 I mean, I was really torn between going with Bob Cook and AKA or going to Jackson.

02:13:14.000 It was, you know, I think it was when I lost to Jacare.

02:13:18.000 It was a really close fight.

02:13:20.000 I really thought I won.

02:13:22.000 You know, I won on every measurable matrix, but I had a big, swollen, closed eye.

02:13:26.000 And Greg was there, and Greg was like, you know, you really missed real key moments in preparation and kind of how you executed your game plan.

02:13:35.000 And I was like, Yeah, you're not wrong.

02:13:38.000 He's like, you need to be in a real fight camp.

02:13:40.000 I can help introductions.

02:13:42.000 I can literally connect you with American Top Team.

02:13:44.000 I was friends with Bob Cook, and I thought about going to California.

02:13:48.000 But I had so much baggage and bad decisions from when I lived in California that I thought it would be a bad idea for me to go back there.

02:13:56.000 So I was looking for...

02:13:58.000 The real professional big fight camp and Jackson and I are just really Similar to Dana her now like I really just really appreciate that that intellectual approach to martial arts and You know wasn't just fighting it wasn't you know sweat and staff on the mat it was like hey,

02:14:16.000 let's take a moment and think about What we're doing here as a martial artist mmm, so that just really jived with me.

02:14:23.000 Thank God for those camps Thank God for people like Dan Lambert to dump a ton of money into a place like American Top Team.

02:14:31.000 Where would the sport be if it wasn't for those outliers, those people who decide? 0.97

02:14:36.000 I don't know what kind of fucking headaches are involved in running something like Jackson Winklejohn, but it must be nuts. 0.98

02:14:42.000 It must be. 1.00

02:14:43.000 You're dealing with a hundred savages. 0.98

02:14:46.000 You got Russians coming in here and guys coming in that are kickboxers and guys coming in that are wrestlers and everyone's beating the shit out of each other and you're trying to see what cream is going to rise to the top. 0.97

02:14:57.000 I don't want to do it. 1.00

02:14:59.000 Fuck that. 0.99

02:15:00.000 My jujitsu gym is like proper, traditional, like everybody wears white gis, except you got one day where you get to wear your competition blue gi if you want, but it's a white gi gym. 1.00

02:15:11.000 Old school.

02:15:12.000 Old school.

02:15:12.000 Bowing at the beginning of the class, bowing at the end of class, and everybody's checking fingernails, everybody's got deodorant, you know, it's like a really nice, clean...

02:15:21.000 Checking fingernails is good.

02:15:23.000 BJ Penn.

02:15:24.000 BJ Penn's got some talons.

02:15:26.000 He's running for governor.

02:15:28.000 Yes, you might win, man.

02:15:29.000 They love him.

02:15:31.000 Hawaii loves BJ Penn.

02:15:33.000 So I listened to a couple of interviews of him recently and...

02:15:36.000 You know, he's my era of MMA and some of my peers from that era have struggled with TBI and CTE and, you know, you hear it and how they talk and they struggled being entrepreneurs.

02:15:50.000 Second life after fighting.

02:15:52.000 Right.

02:15:52.000 You know, um...

02:15:54.000 Miller, great example of how traumatic and dangerous with substance abuse and violence and, you know, BJ sounds great.

02:16:03.000 Yeah.

02:16:04.000 And he was articulate.

02:16:05.000 He had, and back to issues, he was like talking specifically about issues.

02:16:09.000 I know the Hawaii party system's weird because you kind of just have to be, like only one party's going to be voted, so you have degrees of one party.

02:16:16.000 And, you know, he had just talking about issues.

02:16:19.000 I was like, Alright, BJ. Yeah, he's got a very good grasp on the problems in Hawaii.

02:16:25.000 He thought about it for a long time before he ran, and when he was on the podcast, he was talking very specifically about problems that they face, and why those problems exist, and what he thinks he could do about it.

02:16:36.000 A guy that works We're good to go.

02:17:02.000 Like, he's just a great human, and, you know, he's a real martial artist, and he just did the right thing and taken care of.

02:17:09.000 He just has a beautiful family.

02:17:10.000 But he's a great example of all of the things that are broken about Hawaii.

02:17:14.000 I was with Tulsi in New York last week.

02:17:17.000 You know, we're talking, you know, she loves politics, and she's pretty passionate about all of them.

02:17:24.000 But listening to her talk about broken Hawaii, man, it's just like...

02:17:28.000 It's tough.

02:17:29.000 It's tough.

02:17:31.000 There's a lot of poverty and a lot of drugs and a lot of crime.

02:17:35.000 What is she going to do now?

02:17:38.000 I asked her that.

02:17:39.000 She's keeping her cards tight to her vest.

02:17:42.000 She is.

02:17:44.000 She's like, right now I'm just kind of doing this.

02:17:46.000 She was doing the media tour.

02:17:48.000 I think she did like 10 TV shows last week.

02:17:50.000 Got to go to dinner with her.

02:17:53.000 It was...

02:17:55.000 It was fun because we talked.

02:17:57.000 We went to this Indian restaurant in New York.

02:18:00.000 I did a signing at the Barnes& Noble.

02:18:02.000 And we come across the street and have dinner with her in this Indian restaurant.

02:18:05.000 It took us four and a half hours to get our food.

02:18:08.000 And normally I would have been outraged.

02:18:10.000 But instead, I got to spend four and a half hours with Tulsi and just talk.

02:18:15.000 Did they go to the store and buy the ingredients?

02:18:17.000 They had to have. 1.00

02:18:18.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:18:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:20.000 We talked human traffic, counter human trafficking.

02:18:22.000 We talked, you know, school shootings.

02:18:24.000 We talked, you know, her career.

02:18:26.000 And it was just fun to...

02:18:28.000 She and I do not agree on a lot of, you know, a lot of things.

02:18:32.000 And it's fun to be with somebody that you don't agree with.

02:18:35.000 And, you know, the cream rises to the top.

02:18:37.000 And the better ideas as we kind of flush these out.

02:18:40.000 And it was cool because we were both doing a lot of media.

02:18:44.000 You know, I think the next morning I was on Fox& Friends.

02:18:46.000 And we were...

02:18:48.000 You never know what people are going to ask you, you know, like whatever hot button topic they're looking for a soundbite.

02:18:53.000 So, you know, the night before her and I are just kind of running through all of these ideas and these problems and it's something that I wish all Americans did more frequently.

02:19:01.000 Yeah.

02:19:02.000 You know, oh, you disagree with me?

02:19:03.000 Right.

02:19:04.000 I don't hate you, but I want to talk to you.

02:19:06.000 What do you guys disagree about?

02:19:08.000 Foreign policy.

02:19:10.000 She's a non-interventionalist foreign policy.

02:19:13.000 Yep.

02:19:14.000 Yeah, and I'm definitely like an American first.

02:19:16.000 Strong foreign presence, you know.

02:19:18.000 We pulled out of Ukraine the military.

02:19:23.000 The Special Forces goes all over the world and trains militaries.

02:19:27.000 And it not just better equips and better trains that military, but it also creates opportunities for, you know, we have connections.

02:19:37.000 Like the Czech Republic. 0.77

02:19:39.000 I deployed with the Czech Republic with their special forces and horrible gunfights, wild, wild rides. 0.97

02:19:47.000 And those are friends that until we die, I will love those guys for forever.

02:19:51.000 Then I go back to the Czech Republic.

02:19:53.000 I go to...

02:19:54.000 They're special forces base and you know teach some some human intelligence courses and do like this exchange of information they Eastern European Eastern Europe they had some different tactics than we used so like this cool cross-pollination of ideas and tactics and tradecraft and then I come back and I bring those back to my unit and some of those stay and but those relationships are built you know when we left Ukraine That training,

02:20:24.000 those relationships and those contacts don't exist.

02:20:26.000 So, you know, us coming in now trying to figure out, okay, how are we going to help you guys?

02:20:31.000 We're like starting cold.

02:20:32.000 It's like a cold call to do a sale.

02:20:36.000 How difficult is that to then go to somebody that you're at the gym with all the time and you talk to and you're like, dude, I just got this new thing.

02:20:42.000 It's an awesome pre-workout.

02:20:44.000 Two totally different experiences and success.

02:20:48.000 When were we in Ukraine?

02:20:50.000 I think we were all the way up to 2016. So the agreements that the US government has with those countries, there's lots of different levels of them, what kind of participation and collaboration we're going to have.

02:21:07.000 And sometimes some special operations can even come to the United States and go to our special forces.

02:21:14.000 Like they can go through our training.

02:21:18.000 And they can, as if they're earning a green beret, go through every single phase and learn how we plan and how our tactics are.

02:21:26.000 These are really good allies that we're going to be aligned with forever.

02:21:28.000 British, Australian.

02:21:31.000 At Ranger School, you'll see German infantry officers and you'll see Australian SAS guys.

02:21:39.000 It's rad.

02:21:40.000 And then they bring that back to their respective countries, and all, you know, with rising tides, all ships will be raised.

02:21:48.000 That kind of approach, too.

02:21:50.000 So, Tulsi and I don't agree on where, you know, we should be.

02:21:55.000 That's cool.

02:21:56.000 We got to talk through a little bit.

02:21:57.000 At least it's a discussion.

02:21:58.000 Yeah.

02:21:59.000 What's fascinating with me about her is how the left is completely ignoring her, although she was a Democratic congresswoman for eight years, but the right has her on everything with full total respect knowing she's a Democrat.

02:22:13.000 It's so interesting.

02:22:15.000 Yeah.

02:22:15.000 Like, one of the things that's been very strange about this whole polarization between the two-party system in America is Is how the right will allow people to come on that they disagree with and talk to, and they'll talk to them respectfully, and they don't attack them.

02:22:30.000 Whereas if I watch a person who's a right-wing person who gets on CNN or MSNBC, they're getting attacked.

02:22:37.000 Nonstop.

02:22:38.000 That's the only way.

02:22:39.000 There's never a civil discussion where you're allowed to agree to disagree, or have a discussion about why you disagree.

02:22:47.000 I think it has a lot to do with the reason that you end up being...

02:22:51.000 My beliefs and my ideas, I'm always looking for...

02:22:57.000 An opposing or a conflicting idea which will either make my beliefs more sound or I'll have to take a second look at them because there's something wrong with it.

02:23:09.000 Yes.

02:23:10.000 And somebody like that is naturally going to be subscribing to, you know, maybe more conservative ideals than over here where like this is my belief system and I don't, as an isolationist, like I don't, with my ideas, I don't want anybody to disagree with me.

02:23:26.000 But I also, with Tulsi and Bill Maher, is it Bill Maher?

02:23:31.000 Marr.

02:23:31.000 Marr?

02:23:31.000 Yeah.

02:23:33.000 They're Democrats.

02:23:34.000 Yeah.

02:23:34.000 And now I think a lot of Democrats are looking at them like, are you guys Republicans?

02:23:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:23:42.000 No, you're not.

02:23:43.000 You're still Democrats, but the outlier fringe of that party has left them.

02:23:48.000 Like the whole, the line of rational just moved so much further away.

02:23:53.000 And where like a Bill Maher and a Tulsi Gabbard are now like centrists.

02:23:59.000 Well, they're considered centrists, but some people say they're far right.

02:24:02.000 That's crazy.

02:24:03.000 It's nuts.

02:24:03.000 I've heard people say, like, Bill Maher has adopted a far-right ideology.

02:24:07.000 Like, what?

02:24:09.000 No.

02:24:09.000 I've seen it.

02:24:10.000 But that's just Twitter. 1.00

02:24:12.000 Twitter is a goddamn mental health. 1.00

02:24:13.000 You want to have mental health problems. 1.00

02:24:15.000 That's the center of mental health problems in this country.

02:24:18.000 What's unique to me is that I think probably what happened was the response from Donald Trump.

02:24:27.000 The response to Donald Trump being president, he was so polarizing and he attacked people in a way that was so non-presidential and the way he would behave was so non-presidential that that's just his thing.

02:24:40.000 When someone comes after him, he comes back at them even harder.

02:24:44.000 But when you're the president and you do that, it just gets everybody's panties in a wad. 0.99

02:24:49.000 And he's just fucking taking gallons of gasoline and chucking it on the fire. 0.98

02:24:54.000 And so when they got rid of him and they got him out of there, they're like, we gotta make sure this never happens again! 0.98

02:25:01.000 Meanwhile, it's going to happen again.

02:25:02.000 It's going to happen again.

02:25:02.000 He's coming back.

02:25:03.000 He might even win.

02:25:04.000 But this polarization has hardened them.

02:25:09.000 The thing with Trump, because of Trump's behavior and the way he communicates, which I just think is a terrible way to communicate as a president.

02:25:17.000 But if you're his supporter, you love it.

02:25:19.000 You're like, yeah, stick it to him.

02:25:21.000 Finally, someone sticks up for us.

02:25:22.000 And so it's like, yeah, I get your feelings.

02:25:24.000 I understand why you would love that.

02:25:26.000 And I understand that he's right about many things.

02:25:28.000 There's a crazy video that's out there that shows all the things that Donald Trump predicted if Joe Biden gets in office and how all of them have taken place.

02:25:37.000 Have you seen that video?

02:25:38.000 No.

02:25:39.000 I'm going to send it to Jamie.

02:25:40.000 Because it's so wild.

02:25:42.000 It's so wild. 1.00

02:25:42.000 You watch it play out and you're like, holy shit. 1.00

02:25:45.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:25:46.000 Because it's so crazy that it's that blatant.

02:25:53.000 You would think, wait a minute, is this theatrical?

02:25:57.000 I mean, this is crazy.

02:25:58.000 But at a point you...

02:26:01.000 We're a two-party system with nearly 50-50 split down the middle.

02:26:06.000 At no point would I, in that presidential position, your job is to try to bring as many people from each respective side together.

02:26:17.000 Yeah, bring everybody together.

02:26:18.000 That not his approach?

02:26:20.000 No.

02:26:21.000 That's why it's so not...

02:26:23.000 It's not how a leader behaves.

02:26:26.000 Like, he was very...

02:26:28.000 He's got a huge ego, and that's what's led him to this amazing amount of success that he's had.

02:26:33.000 But that huge ego, once he gets into a position of power...

02:26:35.000 Here, play this from the beginning and give me some volume.

02:26:51.000 Hold on, stop for a second.

02:26:52.000 This video does not sound like that.

02:26:54.000 It sounds fine.

02:26:55.000 What's coming through the computer?

02:26:57.000 Why is that happening?

02:26:58.000 Because I played it today on my phone and it sounded perfect.

02:27:02.000 They're coming for your guns, they're coming for your jobs, and they're coming for your freedom.

02:27:08.000 They hate American energy and Joe Biden will shut it all down.

02:27:12.000 He's going to.

02:27:14.000 But if I became president...

02:27:16.000 Biden's elected.

02:27:18.000 He will wipe out your energy industry.

02:27:21.000 Another prediction that is my favorite one, I must add, is that if I got elected...

02:27:26.000 Gas prices going five, six, seven dollars for a gallon.

02:27:32.000 Flood your communities with criminal aliens, drugs and crime while they live behind beautiful gated compounds. 1.00

02:27:41.000 They try to take away your guns.

02:27:43.000 Second Amendment.

02:27:44.000 They want to take it away.

02:27:45.000 While they enjoy private security that's fully armed.

02:27:49.000 I never understood that one.

02:27:51.000 To spend trillions of dollars rebuilding foreign nations, fighting foreign wars, and defending foreign borders.

02:27:59.000 Of all those predictions of doom and gloom six months in, here's where we stand.

02:28:04.000 Do you want to use the word recession or depression?

02:28:06.000 Think of the single mom that totally puts food on the table next month. 1.00

02:28:10.000 You know, it's sad.

02:28:12.000 So, if your primary concern right now is inflation...

02:28:15.000 We could stop it in 30 minutes.

02:28:17.000 When I took office...

02:28:18.000 He finally went outside.

02:28:20.000 He went to get an ice cream.

02:28:22.000 Look, the bottom line is this.

02:28:24.000 I say, you're not doing a very good job.

02:28:26.000 This was campaigning pre-election?

02:28:29.000 Yeah.

02:28:30.000 Wow.

02:28:30.000 It was him campaigning pre-election and what has actually taken place.

02:28:35.000 I mean, it's just...

02:28:37.000 Uncomfortable.

02:28:38.000 It's wild.

02:28:39.000 And what's interesting is even CNN is starting to push back against it.

02:28:44.000 Like Don Lemon was interviewing the woman who is the new press secretary for the White House.

02:28:49.000 And he was asking, is Joe Biden going to be fit for 2024?

02:28:53.000 And she's like, he's fine.

02:28:55.000 He's great.

02:28:57.000 Like, what are you talking about? 0.99

02:28:58.000 And you're watching him and you're going, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

02:29:01.000 He's definitely not. 0.97

02:29:02.000 That's not true.

02:29:03.000 Like, you know that's not true.

02:29:05.000 Like, you're gaslighting us.

02:29:06.000 I saw Ocasio-Cortez asked if she would support the president in a 2024 run.

02:29:13.000 And she's like, let's talk about the issues that we're trying to fix right now.

02:29:17.000 And they're like, so would you support the president?

02:29:20.000 You didn't answer me.

02:29:21.000 That's what the journalist asked her.

02:29:23.000 And she's like...

02:29:24.000 We have issues right now that we need to address first, and then she'll let her off. 1.00

02:29:31.000 Yeah. 0.67

02:29:32.000 Crazy.

02:29:32.000 It's going to be wild.

02:29:35.000 Well, it's 2020. We've got midterms right now.

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:40.000 I don't know.

02:29:40.000 I wonder what's going to happen.

02:29:42.000 But it's like there's no clear, shining example of what we really need.

02:29:48.000 No.

02:29:49.000 I mean, unity would be nice.

02:29:51.000 I wish it was so much more about the issue than the individual, where we could talk about all of the issues and find the candidate that has the best solution for those interviews.

02:30:03.000 That's just crazy talk. 1.00

02:30:04.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

02:30:07.000 Yeah, it would be nice. 1.00

02:30:09.000 But I think there's also the giant problem of money in politics.

02:30:13.000 Unless you remove that, unless it really is for the people, then you've got a bunch of people that are getting people to do things.

02:30:19.000 Once they get into office, it's going to benefit their bottom line. 0.98

02:30:22.000 And that's what we have here.

02:30:24.000 We have a corrupt system.

02:30:25.000 We've agreed that it's okay if it's corrupt as long as we write it down, as long as we know that it's legal corruption.

02:30:34.000 That Ukraine bill, $40 billion.

02:30:37.000 Everybody's like, oh, the corruption over there.

02:30:40.000 And I was like, we can't throw stones from where we are in our glass house of corruption.

02:30:47.000 Where you have a senator that makes, you know, whatever, $200,000 and is worth $40 million.

02:30:53.000 Yeah.

02:30:54.000 No, she's worth a lot more than that.

02:30:55.000 I wasn't saying any individual.

02:30:57.000 Nancy Pelosi?

02:30:57.000 No, I wasn't.

02:30:58.000 Oh, okay.

02:30:58.000 I am.

02:30:59.000 That's another great example.

02:31:00.000 She's worth hundreds of millions. 0.84

02:31:02.000 But she's never done anything besides public service?

02:31:04.000 Do you know that she's better at stock trading than Warren Buffett or George Soros?

02:31:12.000 She's got a better record than any of those guys.

02:31:15.000 Those guys are professionals.

02:31:18.000 All they have done is been rich and make themselves richer.

02:31:20.000 And she's better at it.

02:31:21.000 By a good margin.

02:31:23.000 By a good margin.

02:31:24.000 That's not good.

02:31:25.000 And it's weird.

02:31:26.000 Is it weird?

02:31:26.000 Because she knows about things before they happen.

02:31:31.000 It's almost like it's insider trading, Tim Kennedy.

02:31:34.000 Almost.

02:31:34.000 I would never ever make that accusation, though.

02:31:38.000 It's hilarious.

02:31:39.000 I'm sure you've seen the interview where they asked her, what do you think about stopping Congress, members of Congress, from trading stocks?

02:31:47.000 Can we just do term limits and not let them get rich while in office from how they vote? 1.00

02:31:56.000 There should be some measures that are put into place.

02:32:00.000 But the problem is then we'd get even less qualified people that want to be president and less qualified people that want to be congressmen.

02:32:05.000 If they didn't think that there was some sort of financial incentive, there's zero financial incentive.

02:32:10.000 All you're doing is being a civil servant.

02:32:13.000 Boy.

02:32:13.000 I like that, though.

02:32:14.000 I like it too, but they're also going to crawl up your ass with a microscope and find out who you fuck when you're in high school. 1.00

02:32:21.000 Politics are out for me. 1.00

02:32:22.000 Oh my god.

02:32:23.000 It's the amount of chaos that's involved.

02:32:27.000 There's nothing that seems to be a clear solution to fix any of that.

02:32:34.000 It just seems to be like we're just going to complain about it.

02:32:36.000 It's going to be chaotic.

02:32:39.000 Until the Chinese takeover.

02:32:40.000 Don't say that!

02:32:41.000 Why would you say that, Joe?

02:32:43.000 Take that back! 1.00

02:32:44.000 Take that back! 1.00

02:32:45.000 Well, they already got John Cena.

02:32:47.000 Once they got John Cena, I was like, oh my god.

02:32:50.000 We're already the same group that obviously was in Afghanistan, Save Our Allies.

02:32:53.000 Did you read about Benji Hull?

02:32:55.000 No.

02:32:56.000 So he was a journalist with Fox News that got blown up in Ukraine.

02:32:59.000 And a couple of journalists that were with him died, and he was horrifically injured.

02:33:05.000 Our organization, Save Our Allies, was the group that went in and found him, rescued him, saved his life, and then got him out of Ukraine and into American-level medical care.

02:33:19.000 And then all the way...

02:33:20.000 He's currently in Bamsey, like right here in San Antonio.

02:33:23.000 And first, it is so cool that journalists...

02:33:27.000 Are brave like that to go and to go you know to go into Kabul to go into Ukraine to go into down to the border and to see what is really happening down there It's like you know a little nod to them and but that guy no painkiller after he is very very seriously injured his family haven't seen the wounds so like I'm not gonna explain them But,

02:33:52.000 you know, tourniquets on for hours, and he has to make it through all these checkpoints.

02:33:58.000 And this is like peak invasion.

02:33:59.000 And they're able to get him out of Ukraine and save his life.

02:34:04.000 And like that ground team from Save Our Allies that was so creative and how they literally went into the front lines, grabbed this journalist, you know, dead bodies around him, got him medical care, and then got him out of the country before he died.

02:34:20.000 And Benji Hall, you're a badass.

02:34:24.000 Wow.

02:34:24.000 Yeah, pretty rad.

02:34:25.000 There's a lot of badasses out there. 1.00

02:34:27.000 As much as we want to talk about people that are fat and lazy and soft in this country, there is a large number of fucking incredible human beings that are here. 0.99

02:34:38.000 I'm surrounded by them. 0.98

02:34:39.000 You know, I talk about wanting America to be more healthy and fitter and stronger and individually responsible and able to secure a school, you know, be able to protect your kids.

02:34:51.000 I fully believe that, that we need to be better and we're the weakest that we've ever been.

02:34:56.000 But I'm like surrounded by, in the military, in my position there, I'm just surrounded by the best and most brilliant men that ever existed.

02:35:07.000 These guys are so incredible.

02:35:08.000 And the guys that I work with at Sheepdog Response, their heart as servants, teaching teachers, teaching law enforcement, teaching civilians that just want to be better mothers and fathers to be able to protect themselves and their families.

02:35:20.000 How rad!

02:35:22.000 Is it that they've dedicated their whole entire lives to this idea?

02:35:25.000 They'll teach 14 hour days, they'll come back into the office, start cleaning all the weapons, start cleaning the mats, mopping, sanitizing, you know, to do it all again the next day.

02:35:35.000 It's so humbling to see how many great humans there are out there and we so often just like focus at the bad at the expense of the good never being recognized.

02:35:48.000 Well, I think for a lot of people, they're just surrounded by the bad, and that's what they look to as a benchmark, unfortunately.

02:35:55.000 They don't have access to the type of people that you're around.

02:35:59.000 And if they did, they would judge themselves in comparison.

02:36:02.000 It's just a thing that people do automatically.

02:36:05.000 You imitate your atmosphere, and if your atmosphere is filled with beasts, and these guys are just putting in the work every day, and if you want the kind of respect that they get from you, you got to put in that kind of work too, and rising tide lifts all boats, and everybody gets in it together,

02:36:21.000 and you come out of the other end, you're better because of that, because, you know, iron sharpens iron, and that's just how it goes.

02:36:29.000 So important!

02:36:30.000 Just go and do it!

02:36:34.000 The scars and stripe this book the whole reason like we dropped it right now is in this editorialized curated existence where you know Instagram I'm using a filter to make myself look good That whole book is about failure and struggle and every single one of the mistakes that I ever made You know it is not this self ejaculating Memoir of like why I'm this amazing person it is all the reasons that I'm not and You know,

02:36:58.000 it's all of the reasons why it is normal for us to struggle.

02:37:03.000 It is normal for you to not be able to deadlift that 500 pounds unless you have conditioned yourself and failed and pushed yourself so your body adaptation is able to do it.

02:37:14.000 And we think exclusively physically when we talk about adaptation, but your soul and your brain and the total human condition is all Part of it.

02:37:25.000 And you have to struggle.

02:37:26.000 You know, you have to see failure.

02:37:28.000 You know, I've failed at business.

02:37:30.000 Now I have great businesses.

02:37:31.000 You know, I've failed at relationships.

02:37:32.000 And the pain of that failure, like, hurt.

02:37:35.000 Being a 10-year-old and wrestling for the first time and getting pinned in my first match.

02:37:39.000 And having to stand up in that gymnasium, that big, huge Atascadero gymnasium.

02:37:43.000 And my dad is sitting here.

02:37:44.000 I can still see him right here on the side of the mat.

02:37:47.000 You know, and my head hung in shame as the other guy gets his hand lifted.

02:37:51.000 You know, in wrestling it's just so fast.

02:37:53.000 His hand goes up, but the echoes of that failure just resounding in my head as I have to walk single elimination, my tournament's over.

02:38:00.000 You know, and if I had not experienced that failure, there's no way you'd see me fight for world titles.

02:38:05.000 There's no way I'd become a black belt.

02:38:07.000 You know, if you took that moment away from me and I got a participation trophy and we both got our hands raised, that moment's gone.

02:38:13.000 Right.

02:38:13.000 And it is so important.

02:38:14.000 And you apply that with everything.

02:38:16.000 I stick my hand on a stove.

02:38:17.000 I burn my hand.

02:38:18.000 I learn not to put my hand on the stove.

02:38:20.000 And that's that pain and that's that process of failure that we are taking that away from this generation.

02:38:25.000 Yeah.

02:38:26.000 It needs to be ingrained.

02:38:27.000 They need to understand that it's a benefit.

02:38:29.000 You have to look at those failures and go, you have fuel now.

02:38:32.000 You have fuel, and you can decide to ignore it, and you can decide to wallow in the shame of loss, or you can be far better because of this, because there's nothing that motivates you like humiliation.

02:38:44.000 No.

02:38:48.000 If you're out of shape, I'm never gonna make fun of a fat person walking to the gym.

02:38:52.000 So proud that you're there, right?

02:38:54.000 But I will look at you walking into a Krispy Kreme and making another conscious decision about what your lifestyle looks like, where I'm gonna have to pay for your healthcare in a few years.

02:39:06.000 Those are two very different things.

02:39:08.000 I'll embrace you, I'll help you program, I will help you diet.

02:39:12.000 People walking through my doors, some of them have never held a firearm in their life.

02:39:17.000 You know, they don't know the first thing about situational awareness.

02:39:19.000 They don't know where to park.

02:39:20.000 They don't understand that they should park towards the front of the parking lot underneath the light and that they see somebody with their window down, the engine off, and they're sitting there smoking a cigarette with the backed in and they're looking at everybody walking through the parking lot.

02:39:31.000 Maybe that person might try to mug you as you get out of your car.

02:39:34.000 Maybe, you know?

02:39:35.000 And it is these complete new ideas to them and watching their brains start Firing, seeing these things for the first time, explaining why profiling and generalizing when it comes to protecting your own life is useful,

02:39:51.000 and how the sixth sense is a real thing.

02:39:55.000 You know, like that feeling where, did that guy look at me weird?

02:39:58.000 In society, we're like, okay, no, no, I'm not going to look at that guy and make any assumptions about him because it's culturally rude or inappropriate, and I'm going to talk myself out of this, and then that guy assaults me. 0.84

02:40:12.000 Now, this poor woman's been raped because she talked herself out of it. 1.00

02:40:17.000 You know, and we can train and we can sharpen, we can dish in.

02:40:20.000 And it is the most beautiful and magical thing to watch these people, teachers right now, just flooding, clamoring to us.

02:40:26.000 And I cannot run enough courses.

02:40:27.000 And you can see them starving.

02:40:29.000 Like, they want to protect their students so bad.

02:40:31.000 It's such a beautiful thing.

02:40:32.000 I own a private school.

02:40:33.000 You know, I launched Apogee Strong and Apogee, our school, to address what's happening in schools and what's happening with our young men and women.

02:40:41.000 And seeing parents walk in and being like, I get to be involved in what happens with my own child's education?

02:40:50.000 Yes, you do.

02:40:51.000 My son has to exercise and keep a journal as to what books he's reading, you know?

02:40:58.000 And like, what?

02:41:00.000 This is rad.

02:41:00.000 And it is just the life.

02:41:03.000 It is provided a second wind.

02:41:05.000 I'm going to do this till the day I die.

02:41:07.000 And I love seeing this realization that people can take control of their own destinies, especially around safety.

02:41:14.000 Well said.

02:41:15.000 I'm glad you're out there, Tim Kennedy.

02:41:16.000 Love you, man.

02:41:17.000 You too.

02:41:17.000 I love you too.

02:41:18.000 Can you keep doing this?

02:41:19.000 I think I'm gonna.

02:41:20.000 You gonna?

02:41:21.000 Please?

02:41:21.000 I think I'm gonna keep doing it.

02:41:22.000 Yeah.

02:41:23.000 Scars and Stripes.

02:41:24.000 It's available right now.

02:41:25.000 It's everywhere.

02:41:26.000 Audiobook.

02:41:26.000 Did you read the audiobook?

02:41:27.000 I did. 1.00

02:41:28.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:41:29.000 No, it was hard. 1.00

02:41:30.000 I bet.

02:41:31.000 But you have to.

02:41:31.000 I cry.

02:41:32.000 It took me a day to get through three paragraphs.

02:41:35.000 Oof.

02:41:36.000 Yeah.

02:41:37.000 Audiobooks, man. 1.00

02:41:38.000 That's why I'm never going to get in that stupid chamber you have in the back. 1.00

02:41:41.000 Never going to do it. 1.00

02:41:42.000 I just experienced a version of it.

02:41:44.000 Hard pass, man.

02:41:45.000 It's even different in that one.

02:41:46.000 Thank you.

02:41:47.000 All right.

02:41:47.000 Well, thank you, brother.

02:41:48.000 Appreciate you very much.

02:41:49.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 16, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1833 - Tim Kennedy

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