The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1835 - Mike Judge

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00:00:12.000 So, first of all, thanks for being here.

00:00:14.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:15.000 Great to see you again.

00:00:16.000 Thanks for having me, yeah.

00:00:17.000 My pleasure.

00:00:18.000 I watched Idiocracy this morning.

00:00:20.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

00:00:21.000 Dude, it fucking holds up. 1.00

00:00:24.000 It holds up. 0.99

00:00:24.000 Does it? 0.99

00:00:25.000 Okay.

00:00:25.000 Oh, my God.

00:00:26.000 It's funny.

00:00:27.000 It's nice to hear.

00:00:27.000 I never saw the whole thing before.

00:00:29.000 It was one of those movies that I just, for whatever reason, I just never saw the whole thing.

00:00:34.000 It was just...

00:00:35.000 Well, it kind of...

00:00:36.000 Yeah, it didn't have much of a release, so...

00:00:38.000 It didn't?

00:00:40.000 No, it was...

00:00:42.000 I mean, to be fair, it was a weird movie.

00:00:46.000 It was hard to mark it. 0.99

00:00:47.000 It's a funny fucking movie, man. 0.99

00:00:49.000 Oh, thanks. 0.99

00:00:49.000 It's funny. 0.99

00:00:50.000 I mean, I watched it in the gym while I was working out.

00:00:52.000 I was cracking up.

00:00:54.000 Oh, nice to hear.

00:00:56.000 It was really good.

00:00:57.000 It was surprisingly funny.

00:00:58.000 There was some great stuff about it.

00:01:00.000 When... 1.00

00:01:03.000 It shows the very smart couple that's holding off and having children and the dumb people keep fucking. 1.00

00:01:10.000 I feel like I really made the whole movie just to make that sequence. 1.00

00:01:17.000 That was one of those rare times.

00:01:18.000 Patrick and Darlene, the two actors.

00:01:21.000 It was the only time I think this has ever happened.

00:01:24.000 I think they were auditioning them in pairs.

00:01:28.000 They auditioned and I kind of looked at like two or three more people and then said, okay, let's just cast them.

00:01:33.000 It's perfect.

00:01:35.000 That guy was so good.

00:01:37.000 Patrick Fisher, yeah.

00:01:38.000 It was such a good movie, man.

00:01:40.000 Oh, thanks.

00:01:41.000 And it's so interesting, like looking at the world in 2022, it's like the only thing you missed was social media.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, I mean, I keep thinking about all the stuff I missed.

00:01:52.000 I... Yeah, I feel that movie was, I feel like it was cursed to begin with.

00:01:58.000 Everything that went wrong went wrong.

00:02:00.000 Everything that could go wrong went wrong.

00:02:03.000 And it was so many things.

00:02:05.000 Like, we shot it here in Austin.

00:02:07.000 It's supposed to take place in a drought, and it was like the rainiest summer.

00:02:12.000 We had to keep killing grass, which feels really awful to do.

00:02:15.000 Oh, God.

00:02:16.000 How do you do that?

00:02:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:18.000 You put a giant piece of tarp and cardboard over it for two nights or something.

00:02:24.000 But then sometimes I have to put gasoline on it or something.

00:02:27.000 It just feels horrible to kill grass.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:02:32.000 And then I feel like the curse of the movie kind of just spread out into the world or something.

00:02:37.000 But I was just thinking about this because I can't – I have a hard time watching it because it just brings back so many stressful memories.

00:02:45.000 Because it was difficult to make?

00:02:46.000 Yeah, just we were, you know, barely, had an impossible schedule.

00:02:51.000 And then in post, you know, they just cut, we had a bad test screening and they just cut the effects budget down.

00:03:00.000 But, I mean, you know, they did pay for the movie to get made, so I appreciate it.

00:03:05.000 But, yeah, I was just thinking that, so there was the wardrobe scene.

00:03:12.000 I don't know.

00:03:14.000 Costume designer is the official title.

00:03:16.000 She had a limited budget also.

00:03:19.000 And for the shoes – so we shot it in 2004. She goes – she tells me, OK, there's a startup.

00:03:24.000 And it was Crocs.

00:03:25.000 But they weren't out in the world yet.

00:03:27.000 But it was a small company.

00:03:28.000 And she goes, look at these.

00:03:29.000 They're these horrible plastic shoes.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 She said, we could really save a lot of money, just put everyone in these things.

00:03:35.000 And then I said, well, what if – but what if by the time the movie comes out, what if everyone's – what if these become popular and people are wearing them?

00:03:41.000 She said, oh, these are never going to become popular.

00:03:44.000 No one would ever wear these things.

00:03:45.000 They're horrible.

00:03:46.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:03:48.000 But then it took two years for the movie to come out.

00:03:51.000 Then everyone's – but then people are going like, oh, that's pretty funny that you put everyone in Crocs.

00:03:54.000 Yeah.

00:03:56.000 They did kind of become popular, right?

00:03:58.000 Yeah, and they're not around much anymore, but they were really popular.

00:04:02.000 They're really popular right now.

00:04:03.000 Are they back?

00:04:04.000 They came back in the last two years all of a sudden.

00:04:06.000 What do you mean?

00:04:06.000 Who's wearing them?

00:04:08.000 Post Malone had a deal with them.

00:04:10.000 I think Justin Bieber did too.

00:04:11.000 People are putting pins on them and stuff.

00:04:13.000 They're very popular right now.

00:04:14.000 Pins?

00:04:15.000 Yeah, like little pins.

00:04:18.000 Oh, like shirt pins?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:04:20.000 I should stop talking shit. 0.99

00:04:22.000 I know people wear them, a lot of guys wear them, like, in camps. 0.99

00:04:27.000 You bring them to camp, like, they're camp shoes.

00:04:30.000 They wear Crocs around camp because they're light.

00:04:32.000 You know, if you're wearing, like, hiking boots all day and then you're camping, you wear Crocs at night when you're hanging around the campfire.

00:04:38.000 Oh, so this is a new thing?

00:04:40.000 I've only seen it popping up recently.

00:04:42.000 I'd heard they were in bankruptcy like five years ago or something.

00:04:47.000 Maybe I heard wrong.

00:04:48.000 Wow.

00:04:49.000 Maybe they were.

00:04:50.000 Maybe somebody came in with funding.

00:04:53.000 Took a distressed property and...

00:04:55.000 I don't get it.

00:04:56.000 I was always confused.

00:04:58.000 Like, there's so many options for shoes.

00:05:00.000 Why would you ever buy those?

00:05:01.000 There's all kinds of slippers you could have.

00:05:03.000 Yeah.

00:05:04.000 There's no need for those.

00:05:05.000 I don't get them for camping, though.

00:05:07.000 You're going to get, like, ticks all over your...

00:05:09.000 No, I think the idea is...

00:05:10.000 Do you put socks on?

00:05:11.000 Like, hunters wear them.

00:05:13.000 So, like, when you're in the woods and you're hiking, you're wearing these, like, very kind of rigid hiking boots.

00:05:20.000 And then when you're just around the campfire, they wear these little Crocs.

00:05:24.000 Okay.

00:05:24.000 Because they weigh nothing.

00:05:25.000 You know, they're very light.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, they are light, yeah. 0.99

00:05:27.000 And they provide you with protection from sticks and shit. 0.95

00:05:30.000 Oh, okay. 0.98

00:05:32.000 And they wear them, like, you know, over socks.

00:05:35.000 I see.

00:05:36.000 So, they're horrific looking.

00:05:38.000 They don't look good.

00:05:40.000 What is this?

00:05:40.000 That's why I wanted them in the movie.

00:05:42.000 What the fuck is this? 0.99

00:05:43.000 These are $600 Crocs. 1.00

00:05:45.000 These are fashion Crocs. 1.00

00:05:46.000 Cut the fucking shit. 1.00

00:05:47.000 I thought they were fake. 1.00

00:05:48.000 They are not fake.

00:05:49.000 Those are real?

00:05:50.000 These are real.

00:05:51.000 $600 Crocs with some kind of a heel.

00:05:54.000 What does the bottom of that heel look like?

00:05:56.000 Is it a peg?

00:05:57.000 Like a peg.

00:05:58.000 Like a nail.

00:05:59.000 It's like a nail is going through.

00:06:01.000 That is so strange.

00:06:03.000 You know what I don't get?

00:06:04.000 The strap.

00:06:05.000 What's the story with the strap on the top of the foot?

00:06:08.000 Sport mode.

00:06:09.000 Do they all have straps?

00:06:12.000 When you need to run, you need to do some action. 0.93

00:06:17.000 You ain't doing shit in those things. 0.95

00:06:18.000 Put it around your heel so it doesn't fall off. 0.97

00:06:21.000 Wait, $600?

00:06:22.000 Is that how much?

00:06:23.000 Yeah, they're real.

00:06:24.000 $600. 1.00

00:06:25.000 That's how dumb people are. 1.00

00:06:28.000 Put that in your new movie. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Yeah, I know.

00:06:31.000 I wish I could remake that.

00:06:34.000 What would you do different?

00:06:36.000 Well, like you said, I probably would have had more staring at phones and stuff.

00:06:41.000 Nobody saw that coming, though.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:44.000 Which is wild, right?

00:06:46.000 Because you filmed it.

00:06:47.000 It was released in, what, 2005?

00:06:49.000 2006. We filmed it in 2004, yeah.

00:06:52.000 So if you think about phones, back then it was all flip phones.

00:06:56.000 Yeah, they were starting to come out with a Nokia.

00:07:01.000 But yeah, the iPhone I don't think was there.

00:07:03.000 That was seven.

00:07:04.000 Yeah, it was about to come out.

00:07:05.000 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 And even then, everybody thought that was kind of like a novelty.

00:07:09.000 Nobody ever thought it would be like almost a requirement for life.

00:07:14.000 Yeah, and also I wrote it in – I started writing it in 2001 and then it's writer Eitan Cohen.

00:07:21.000 I wrote a draft with him.

00:07:22.000 I wrote an outline and then – so that was like 2002 I think or 2003 that we wrote it.

00:07:27.000 So it was like pretty far away from all this stuff happening.

00:07:32.000 That's the only thing you missed though.

00:07:36.000 I mean the dumbing down of people you nailed.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, I was sort of...

00:07:41.000 I was thinking of it like...

00:07:42.000 So I had the idea in the 90s, but I remember when...

00:07:48.000 In 2001, in the summer...

00:07:53.000 Well, it was the year 2001. I'd seen the movie 2001 again and thought, wouldn't that have been funny if that movie, instead of everything being pristine, advanced civilization, it was like...

00:08:06.000 Giant Walmarts and the Jerry Springer show, and what if that movie made in the 70s was actually that accurate?

00:08:13.000 And I just kind of thought of a graph of everything from whenever that movie was made, like 71, to the year that it was, 2001, if you just kept that progression going, and just more crass, foul language in the mainstream, more just everybody getting dumber and dumber,

00:08:29.000 and just advertising everywhere.

00:08:31.000 I don't know, it was just...

00:08:34.000 I also wrote it.

00:08:36.000 I owed Fox a screenplay and I pitched two or three different things and they said, oh, that's the commercial one.

00:08:40.000 That's one you should make.

00:08:43.000 I didn't think they would make it.

00:08:45.000 It was fun to write.

00:08:46.000 Why didn't you think they would make it?

00:08:48.000 It just seemed too weird.

00:08:51.000 But they saw it – anything in the future sounds fun and like a big broad comedy.

00:09:00.000 But yeah, then they – it just – it was more fun to write than it was to make.

00:09:05.000 I mean nothing against anybody involved.

00:09:06.000 It was just like a very difficult schedule and all.

00:09:09.000 A lot of stuff went wrong.

00:09:11.000 It had 65 speaking parts in it, which you don't even – when you're writing, you say, oh, and then there's this – and it's like, oh, yeah, you have to cast every one of those people.

00:09:20.000 Well, it's still funny.

00:09:22.000 It's still funny.

00:09:23.000 It really, really holds up.

00:09:25.000 It's excellent.

00:09:26.000 Well, thanks.

00:09:26.000 I remember moving to LA in 1994, and I got a...

00:09:31.000 I think someone I knew at MTV hooked me up, and they gave me a VHS tape of all the Beavis and Butthead episodes, and I didn't have cable hooked up yet. 0.76

00:09:43.000 So my TV was hooked up, but cable wasn't hooked up yet, and so I was watching VHS tapes of Beavis and Butthead, and I remember me and this girl that I was dating at the time laughing our fucking ass off.

00:09:56.000 I didn't even have furniture.

00:09:57.000 I just had a big TV, and we were sitting on the carpeted floor just crying laughing at Corn Julio.

00:10:03.000 Oh, okay, so you got to the good ones then.

00:10:05.000 Yeah, by that season, we started to find our stride.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, that was fun to do.

00:10:13.000 Wait, were you doing a...

00:10:15.000 Did you have a gig at MTV? No, well, I did at one point in time.

00:10:19.000 I did MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, and then I auditioned for another show at MTV. And the negotiations of that actually wound me getting up on a Fox show called Hardball, which got cancelled, then I got news radio.

00:10:35.000 So that was how I moved to LA. But I was still in contact with someone at MTV and they hooked me up.

00:10:41.000 Yeah, I thought I remembered some MTV association with you.

00:10:44.000 Yeah, that was what it was.

00:10:46.000 They were trying to do a thing with me, but MTV was insanely cheap back then.

00:10:52.000 I think they wanted to give me $500 for a pilot, and if the pilot went, I would be exclusive to them for several years.

00:11:04.000 They would own me for several years exclusively for $500, which is hilarious.

00:11:09.000 Well, I think the way Dan Cortez got out of his deal, I don't know this for sure.

00:11:14.000 Whatever happened to that guy?

00:11:15.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:11:16.000 But he – but they had a deal with him that actually violated labor laws.

00:11:20.000 It was so – like it might have been the same thing you're talking about where it's actually – might have even been slavery laws.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, they were really egregious.

00:11:31.000 They just would – Well, you know why they did that?

00:11:34.000 They did that because they created a few stars.

00:11:37.000 They became huge stars, and they felt like those stars left, and they made these people stars, but they didn't profit off of it.

00:11:44.000 So Dennis Leary was one of them, and Pauly Shore was another one.

00:11:48.000 Like, you know, they had Totally Pauly.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, he got away pretty well.

00:11:53.000 So he did Totally Pauly, and then Totally Pauly, he left that and wound up doing all these big movies.

00:12:00.000 And then Leary was sort of the same thing.

00:12:02.000 You know, he did those little snippets where he would, like, rant to the camera.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, those were really good.

00:12:06.000 Those were popular.

00:12:07.000 And he was on Remote Control, too.

00:12:09.000 Remember Remote Control?

00:12:10.000 Yeah.

00:12:11.000 Yeah.

00:12:11.000 I remember seeing him on, I think, Comedy...

00:12:14.000 Well, it was called the Comedy Channel.

00:12:16.000 And then it was about...

00:12:17.000 Yeah.

00:12:17.000 So I think that was their overcorrection.

00:12:21.000 Their overcorrection from losing guys like Pauly Shore was to create something where they, you know...

00:12:27.000 Yeah, they overcorrected.

00:12:29.000 Overcorrected on me.

00:12:30.000 I forgot about that Dan Cortez guy.

00:12:33.000 That show was great.

00:12:35.000 MTV Sports.

00:12:36.000 MTV Sports, yeah.

00:12:37.000 He was a huge star for a while. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 0.99

00:12:40.000 I don't know what happened to him. 1.00

00:12:41.000 How does that happen?

00:12:42.000 Where a guy just is everywhere and then...

00:12:45.000 Yeah, he was like the heartthrob.

00:12:48.000 It seems like it...

00:12:49.000 Yeah, he was...

00:12:50.000 I don't know when it fell off, like 95 or something?

00:12:52.000 He just...

00:12:53.000 I don't know, maybe...

00:12:54.000 Yeah.

00:12:55.000 At some point he just disappeared.

00:12:56.000 I don't know what he does now.

00:12:58.000 I wonder what he does now.

00:12:58.000 Maybe he's got some great gig.

00:13:00.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:13:01.000 Find him.

00:13:02.000 Where's Dan Cortez?

00:13:03.000 I found his Instagram.

00:13:04.000 Yeah?

00:13:04.000 He's hanging out.

00:13:06.000 Where's he at?

00:13:06.000 Let me see what he's at.

00:13:09.000 Is it Cortez with a...

00:13:10.000 There he is.

00:13:11.000 With an S. Just seems like a normal guy now.

00:13:15.000 Dude, hanging out.

00:13:17.000 Posting old stuff.

00:13:20.000 Oh, Bill Murray.

00:13:21.000 Wow.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:26.000 I wonder how you become that guy.

00:13:28.000 What was his...

00:13:29.000 How you become Dan Cortez?

00:13:31.000 I think he was working on a set or something like that.

00:13:35.000 And then someone had the idea to put him on the show.

00:13:39.000 He started acting after that.

00:13:43.000 Well, I hope he's having fun.

00:13:46.000 So how did you guys wind up with Beavis and Butthead there?

00:13:50.000 So I was making these animated shorts in my house.

00:13:56.000 And...

00:13:59.000 Just mailing out VHS tapes of them.

00:14:02.000 And there was a show called Liquid Television.

00:14:06.000 Well, I had gotten...

00:14:07.000 I made three shorts before.

00:14:12.000 Beavis and Butted was the fourth one I'd made.

00:14:13.000 And the first three had gotten...

00:14:15.000 Like, the first one I made was on a show on comedy...

00:14:17.000 It was called the Comedy Channel.

00:14:21.000 Night After Night with Alan Havey.

00:14:23.000 Oh, I remember Alan Habe.

00:14:25.000 Yeah.

00:14:25.000 And then I'd gotten in some animation festivals.

00:14:30.000 And so people were starting...

00:14:31.000 There was a show called Liquid Television on MTV that was on Sunday nights.

00:14:37.000 And they would license animated shorts.

00:14:40.000 So I got like three or four of mine on there.

00:14:46.000 It all happened very quickly.

00:14:47.000 Like I had...

00:14:50.000 They asked me to send my first three, and I said, I have a new one, and it was Beavis and Butthead.

00:14:56.000 So it got on that show.

00:14:58.000 And then there was a long, weird, cryptic negotiation where they said they want to buy it, and I said, what for?

00:15:07.000 And then I negotiated.

00:15:09.000 It was Colossal Pictures, liquid television.

00:15:12.000 And then finally they said, it's over.

00:15:14.000 Oh, it was a long, ugly show.

00:15:17.000 And then finally MTV came to me directly.

00:15:19.000 I still didn't know what they were going to do with it.

00:15:21.000 I thought those little station IDs or something.

00:15:24.000 I was elated.

00:15:25.000 I was like, this is amazing.

00:15:26.000 I'm just making these things in my house outside of Dallas and it's going to be on MTV. That's amazing.

00:15:32.000 And then I sold it.

00:15:35.000 I sold the whole thing to him for something like $18,000.

00:15:40.000 Really?

00:15:43.000 The whole property?

00:15:44.000 Everything?

00:15:44.000 Yeah, I mean I retained something that you'd never see any money from.

00:15:47.000 But I was able to get it back later, years later.

00:15:51.000 How did you do that?

00:15:52.000 Just because they needed me to do it and I just, you know.

00:15:55.000 But it was, yeah, I sold it.

00:15:58.000 But this was after months of negotiating.

00:16:00.000 And I'm like, well, it takes me, I was animating everything by myself.

00:16:03.000 It would take me like six to eight weeks to make two minutes.

00:16:07.000 And after two Beavis and Butt-Head shorts, I was kind of out of ideas anyway.

00:16:10.000 So I thought like, okay, I'll just – this will be my admission fee to show business.

00:16:17.000 I'll just sell this off just to meet people and have them know about me and – I went to different lawyers and there was this mob lawyer in Dallas who was just like, don't sign it!

00:16:31.000 I said, well, then I just don't do this?

00:16:34.000 I mean, I don't regret it because I think they were ready to walk away.

00:16:38.000 It had been months, like five or six months, which I guess in show business isn't that long of a negotiation all the time.

00:16:46.000 But Yeah, and then they flew me up there and then they started talking about we're going to do 65 episodes and I was saying, okay, am I going to be involved?

00:16:56.000 And they said, of course, it's your baby.

00:17:00.000 But they didn't say any of that until they already owned it.

00:17:04.000 They didn't want to – maybe it was part of the whole Pauly Shore of it all and those people that had gotten out of there.

00:17:11.000 They did.

00:17:12.000 Their lawyer had all the bad intentions of a good lawyer, but she wasn't all that great and didn't know animation. 1.00

00:17:19.000 So there were some big holes in the contract that I was able to exploit later.

00:17:28.000 Yeah, she thought that I was going to be doing the entire, all the animation myself, so there was like a per minute fee that was like three seasons in.

00:17:39.000 I got, still my manager, Michael Rotenberg, who's also a lawyer, said, hey, this thing says they owe you a ton of money.

00:17:47.000 So yeah, we had, we were able to, I was able to get it back, and now I own it like 50-50 with them, so...

00:17:54.000 Oh, okay.

00:17:54.000 That was after the movie, and they wanted a sequel and all that stuff.

00:17:58.000 And so this movie that you got coming out, when did this start getting developed?

00:18:06.000 Let's see.

00:18:07.000 I had the idea for it a long time ago.

00:18:09.000 It was really about three years ago.

00:18:12.000 And then right before the lockdown, because it was Friday the 13th, March 2020, I had lunch with...

00:18:23.000 The Chris McCarthy and Kyes Hill-Edgart, the Paramount Plus guys, and just sealed the deal right then and then made the entire movie with everyone on Zoom and every cast.

00:18:38.000 So when you pitch a movie, like a Beavis and Butthead movie, are you pitching, are you just saying, look, I want to do a Beavis and Butthead movie?

00:18:45.000 Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butthead?

00:18:47.000 Like, what's the process?

00:18:48.000 Well, with this one, with the sequel, they've been wanting a sequel for years, and I've pitched different, usually...

00:18:55.000 When did you make the first one?

00:18:57.000 First one came out in 96. So it was like a couple years?

00:19:02.000 So the show, the short first aired in 92. The series started in March of 93. So the show had been on a while before the movie came out, like three years.

00:19:12.000 They wanted it sooner.

00:19:14.000 And when did you stop doing the television show?

00:19:17.000 Fall of 98. Oh, wow.

00:19:21.000 So it was off for a while.

00:19:24.000 But yeah, I usually write an outline.

00:19:27.000 I think that's...

00:19:28.000 I pitched...

00:19:30.000 I don't think I pitched either of them.

00:19:35.000 I think I just started writing outlines.

00:19:38.000 Well, for the first one.

00:19:40.000 And for this one, too.

00:19:43.000 And there was almost a sequel...

00:19:45.000 I mean, sorry, in 2001. And then they violated another contract with me and I got really pissed and said, no movie.

00:19:55.000 Jesus.

00:19:56.000 Yeah.

00:19:57.000 I mean, now I don't know what MTV even is.

00:20:02.000 Is it still there?

00:20:04.000 Yeah, the beginning of the movie, they have a whole thing with the astronaut and the flag.

00:20:07.000 Really?

00:20:07.000 Yeah.

00:20:08.000 So MTV is now mostly that, like, Rob Drydeck show, right?

00:20:15.000 That's basically the whole channel.

00:20:16.000 Oh, I don't even...

00:20:17.000 Like, every now and then a show comes along that's a hit.

00:20:21.000 Like, it was like, after Beavis, I don't know, it was like Tom Green, then Jackass, then Jersey Shore.

00:20:26.000 Like, there's always a show that...

00:20:27.000 Jackass started at MTV? Yeah.

00:20:30.000 No shit. 0.98

00:20:31.000 Yeah, that was... 1.00

00:20:32.000 Wow.

00:20:33.000 That came along and saved them for a while.

00:20:35.000 Of course, Tom Green.

00:20:37.000 What was the...

00:20:38.000 Well, Jersey Shore was huge.

00:20:41.000 Was that MTV2? Yeah.

00:20:42.000 Really?

00:20:44.000 Wow. 0.99

00:20:46.000 Yeah, so they fucking gave up on music videos. 0.99

00:20:49.000 Oh, completely. 0.98

00:20:50.000 That's what it used to be.

00:20:51.000 It was the music video channel.

00:20:53.000 We would go there to watch...

00:20:54.000 Do you remember when they released Michael Jackson's Thriller?

00:20:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:58.000 And it was like the release of a movie.

00:21:00.000 Like, everybody watched it.

00:21:02.000 I want to know, like, how many people watched Michael Jackson's thriller the day it came out?

00:21:07.000 Because I want to say I was in high school at the time.

00:21:11.000 It was somewhere around that range.

00:21:12.000 And it was a thing that everybody was talking about.

00:21:16.000 Like, you have to watch it.

00:21:17.000 It was huge.

00:21:17.000 And it was...

00:21:18.000 I remember being at an amusement park.

00:21:23.000 And seeing a guy who's just dressed up and had the hair of Michael Jackson and girls screaming, even knowing it wasn't Michael Jackson.

00:21:32.000 Just the way he looked.

00:21:33.000 Yeah, just that a guy looked like that.

00:21:35.000 Well, you had to have cable to watch it, right?

00:21:38.000 I don't think they wouldn't.

00:21:39.000 And then they played it on regular TV eventually, but it was so huge.

00:21:44.000 It was so huge it's hard to imagine.

00:21:46.000 I remember going over someone's house to watch it, yeah.

00:21:49.000 Because there wasn't that many channels back then.

00:21:51.000 Yeah.

00:21:51.000 So when something was on that was a big deal, everybody watched it.

00:21:56.000 So a good hit television show today, I don't know how many millions of views it gets, but it's not a lot.

00:22:02.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:22:03.000 It used to be...

00:22:04.000 Yeah, the numbers are way down.

00:22:09.000 When you had a network hit show, you'd get...

00:22:13.000 10 to 20 million.

00:22:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:15.000 Yeah.

00:22:15.000 Big show like Seinfeld or something like that?

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:17.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:22:18.000 Friends.

00:22:19.000 Yeah, they got shit tons of people watching them, which that just doesn't happen anymore now. 0.71

00:22:24.000 It has to be like the Super Bowl for something like that now. 0.59

00:22:27.000 Yeah.

00:22:27.000 There was a while where American Idol, I think, was getting those numbers, but I don't think anything any scripted show does.

00:22:37.000 But that was a big thing for MTV, was these videos that they would have.

00:22:40.000 And they would have video premieres.

00:22:42.000 So they'd have a premiere, you know?

00:22:44.000 Like David Bowie, video premiere.

00:22:46.000 And everybody would be like, oh, gotta be there for the premiere.

00:22:49.000 And there was no DVRs back then either.

00:22:51.000 So either you VCR'd it, either you recorded it, which most people didn't.

00:22:57.000 If you were a real wizard, you knew how to program your VCR. Yeah.

00:23:02.000 Remember those days?

00:23:03.000 Yeah, I briefly knew how to do that, but sometimes I'd just get a really long one and just leave it turned on right before.

00:23:10.000 Yeah, you'd do that, right?

00:23:11.000 Yeah, you'd do low resolution, like a six-hour recording.

00:23:16.000 If you unplugged them, the clock would go off.

00:23:18.000 You'd have to reset it.

00:23:20.000 Yep, everybody's clock was always flashing.

00:23:22.000 You'd go over to people's houses, the clock in the VCR was always flashing.

00:23:24.000 That was one of the gags I wanted to have in Idiocracy.

00:23:27.000 I don't think we did.

00:23:28.000 It's just that everywhere you see just 12. I wanted a big clock tower like Big Ben with just a 12. I don't know if I... I haven't even looked if that's even in there.

00:23:38.000 I don't think it is.

00:23:39.000 When you make a movie like that and you're done, like, what is the feeling like?

00:23:47.000 Is it like, did we do enough?

00:23:51.000 Is it what you wanted?

00:23:52.000 Because I've got to imagine, like, vision and then execution and then when it's over, like, what does it feel like?

00:23:59.000 It's a very strange mixed feeling.

00:24:02.000 It's like, you know, like, the first one I did was a Beavis and Butt-Head movie and I... I remember when your whole life, like however many hours a day, is just fucking with it and editing it and making it in a sound mix and everything.

00:24:18.000 And I think the last final thing was the final mix.

00:24:22.000 And I remember walking out of that place just...

00:24:26.000 I should feel happy. 0.99

00:24:27.000 It's finally done, but it's just that, like, icky, like, oh, shit, I missed something. 0.96

00:24:32.000 It's a really weird feeling, and sometimes it's better than others. 0.98

00:24:38.000 Sometimes it's sick to your stomach.

00:24:40.000 But... 0.97

00:24:42.000 Yeah, it's always – that's the other reason I think I don't always like to watch something after it's done because I'm going to go, oh shit, I should have changed that or done that better.

00:24:54.000 But yeah, it's a very odd feeling. 0.60

00:24:57.000 I mean it's good to be done but so many – it's just like icky.

00:25:03.000 Well, it just seems like it's such an enormous amount of time of your life gets put into it, and it's got to be hard to see what it actually looks like.

00:25:11.000 Because you're going over the minutia of it, you're editing it, you wrote the lines, you edited them, you watched people do it, cut, let's take two, take three.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, you've seen a hundred people audition for each part.

00:25:24.000 You've heard the dialogue over and over again.

00:25:27.000 You don't know if it's funny anymore, you can't tell, you can't...

00:25:31.000 And also all those hours you're spending on it are to change things.

00:25:35.000 That's all.

00:25:35.000 You're just constantly tweaking.

00:25:36.000 Right.

00:25:37.000 And so to say it's done, you get – what it is, it's like a feeling of withdrawal really.

00:25:43.000 Like it's sort of a – even if you're really happy with it, it's like – it's sort of like you're just so used to doing that and to stop suddenly is just a – you kind of want to do it more.

00:25:54.000 You just want to go back and keep editing.

00:25:57.000 I mean I like editing and it's fun to do.

00:26:02.000 But finishing editing is the hard part.

00:26:04.000 Yeah, to just let it go and, you know, not know if...

00:26:09.000 If you have a good test screening, that helps, but you don't always do that.

00:26:12.000 Like with a TV show, you don't...

00:26:14.000 Just like whoever's in the...

00:26:15.000 And if the sound mixers don't think it's funny, if people working on it aren't laughing...

00:26:20.000 And with animation, like especially when I was doing the shorts, like the first short I did...

00:26:26.000 You record the sound first, and I remember thinking, okay, that's a pretty funny take.

00:26:29.000 I think I got something good here.

00:26:32.000 But then you have to, the way I read the track, with a stopwatch, you'd find every syllable and put it on exposure sheets.

00:26:38.000 So you're listening to it about two or three times as many syllables as there are in it, just before you even start drawing.

00:26:46.000 And so by the time you're done, you have no idea if it's funny.

00:26:50.000 I would just have to keep remembering there was a time when I knew this was funny.

00:26:55.000 And just keep going back to that.

00:26:57.000 Do you ever, like, take a few days off and then try to watch it fresh?

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 Yeah, that helps if you can afford to do that.

00:27:05.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 I've gotten more used to, I don't know, just trusting if there was ever a moment where something was good, interesting, or funny and...

00:27:19.000 If it doesn't seem like it now, just knowing, okay, that did hit me that way at one point, there must be something to it.

00:27:27.000 Dude, I laughed so hard today watching the chart of the people and all the babies that they had.

00:27:37.000 For whatever reason, that scene killed me.

00:27:40.000 And then the smash cut to the intelligent people that still weren't having kids and still putting around.

00:27:46.000 And then they start bickering about whose fault it is as they're getting older.

00:27:49.000 Yeah, we can't have a child now.

00:27:50.000 Not with the market the way it is.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:27:53.000 It's so funny.

00:27:55.000 Because that's real.

00:27:56.000 Elon Musk warns about that all the time.

00:28:00.000 He's like, we are in a very dangerous moment where people don't realize that they're not having enough children.

00:28:07.000 I don't know.

00:28:08.000 Now it's sort of...

00:28:11.000 Melinda Gates had written something about this, or maybe I read a quote about it.

00:28:17.000 As countries go from third world to first world, I guess they don't have kids as much.

00:28:24.000 Well, women have careers, and they don't want to have children as often. 1.00

00:28:28.000 And they also don't need children to help them with the family business. 0.53

00:28:33.000 So it's not like...

00:28:34.000 In some countries, people are having children because they need a workforce.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, I had a...

00:28:41.000 We were at some point making that movie. 0.91

00:28:46.000 I mean, a lot of the people playing dumbasses were just my friends. 0.99

00:28:50.000 Like, I have a lot of dumb-looking friends, I guess. 0.99

00:28:54.000 But... 0.99

00:28:55.000 At some point, we were location scouting this place, and it was, I guess it was a reform school of some kind, like a juvenile delinquent, something or other.

00:29:04.000 I don't know.

00:29:05.000 You're not allowed to call them reform schools anymore.

00:29:07.000 You're not?

00:29:07.000 I don't know.

00:29:08.000 It was called, like, the Institute of Technological, and it had, like, some fancy names, kind of down by, you know, maybe I won't dox the place.

00:29:15.000 It was outside of Austin, just outside of Austin, but I didn't know what it was, and I thought, I was just looking around saying, oh, these people would be good extras, like, when we're... 0.99

00:29:25.000 You know, and we had a couple scenes with, I don't know, 250 extras, and one was that ass movie, which we actually had to shoot the ass. 0.99

00:29:39.000 How much footage did you get of that guy's ass? 1.00

00:29:43.000 Too much. 1.00

00:29:46.000 But I wanted just a nondescript ass, by the way. 0.99

00:29:51.000 I had to look at Polaroids. 0.99

00:29:53.000 A crazy thing happened actually.

00:29:55.000 So the dude is like, okay, let's get this over with. 1.00

00:29:58.000 We just like set up the camera, shoot the guy's ass. 1.00

00:30:02.000 And my cinematographer and I are just kind of going, okay, that's good. 0.99

00:30:08.000 Let's just – I know we shot like 10 minutes probably.

00:30:11.000 But anyway, the – Years later, the guy...

00:30:16.000 I'm introduced to this guy and his fiancée, and I'm looking at him and I go, oh, hey, um...

00:30:23.000 And he kind of looks at me like, uh-uh, uh-uh.

00:30:26.000 And I realize who it is and I go, oh, because I started to say, I think I've met you.

00:30:32.000 And then later he goes, yeah, she doesn't know.

00:30:38.000 Why would she care?

00:30:39.000 I think she does now.

00:30:41.000 That's a bad start to a relationship. 1.00

00:30:43.000 If you're about to get married to a lady and you can't tell her, hey, they filmed my ass for 10 minutes for idiocracy. 0.99

00:30:51.000 Why do I even want to not tell that? 0.99

00:30:53.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:30:55.000 I think he eventually did, but at that point he was kind of giving me the – maybe it was like early on in the relationship.

00:31:01.000 He was trying to be taken seriously?

00:31:03.000 Yeah.

00:31:03.000 Maybe he had like a real job.

00:31:05.000 Oh, he did, yeah.

00:31:06.000 What was he?

00:31:07.000 It works in some kind of, like, finance.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, that's probably it.

00:31:11.000 Who's Mr. Serious?

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 What a bummer that must be.

00:31:16.000 We played that movie, though, and, like, I was...

00:31:19.000 We had all those, you know, the juvenile delinquents, whatever, and they might have been, like...

00:31:24.000 I don't know how old they were, but we put it up there and I'm thinking like, okay, I got to somehow get everyone to laugh, like just laughing hysterically.

00:31:31.000 We start playing it and they're just laughing hysterically. 0.93

00:31:33.000 Like it's nothing but that guy's butt on the screen. 0.99

00:31:38.000 And I was just thinking, we should just release ass and stop writing a script and everything. 0.99

00:31:43.000 I think we're already there. 0.72

00:31:44.000 Just release this thing.

00:31:46.000 But yeah, anyway.

00:31:50.000 There was just so many moments like that in that movie.

00:31:53.000 Where it's like, it's...

00:31:55.000 I wish I saw it when it came out.

00:31:58.000 Because I was wondering, like, how's it going to hold up?

00:32:00.000 Because there's some movies that just don't hold up that good.

00:32:03.000 But it held up magically.

00:32:05.000 That's nice to hear.

00:32:06.000 It was very, very funny.

00:32:07.000 The 10-year anniversary in 2016, there were a few screenings.

00:32:13.000 And I still...

00:32:14.000 I watched pieces of it.

00:32:18.000 But...

00:32:19.000 But yeah, I mean, I was standing outside the theater at a couple of them and I could hear people laughing.

00:32:25.000 People seemed to, I mean, they sold out whatever these, the two ones that I went to, so that was nice.

00:32:31.000 That's got to be a good feeling to just sit there and watch after all that work, after all the editing and all the weirdness of trying to figure out if it's still good to watch people that have never seen it before, have no idea what's coming, laugh hysterically.

00:32:44.000 Yeah, it's a really—I mean, especially something like that that was—both that and Office Space were so difficult to make and didn't do well right away, you know?

00:32:54.000 So it's just like, oh, God, like all that work— Office Space didn't do well right away either?

00:32:58.000 No.

00:32:59.000 Wow, that's crazy. 0.97

00:33:01.000 I need a—well, the Beavis and Butthead movie was a hit right away, but— How the fuck was Office Space not a hit right away? 0.94

00:33:08.000 I mean, it was low budget, but it kind of basically made back its $10 million over its time in the theater.

00:33:14.000 But yeah, it came in like eighth place.

00:33:17.000 Was that in the same time period?

00:33:19.000 When was Office Space released?

00:33:20.000 99 it came out.

00:33:21.000 Oh, interesting.

00:33:22.000 Okay, so it was earlier.

00:33:24.000 But then two years after, it was in, back when they did Blockbuster home video charts, it was like in the top 10 around Christmas.

00:33:35.000 It was in the top 20 off and on for a while, which was really nice. 0.99

00:33:40.000 It's a great fucking movie. 1.00

00:33:41.000 It's a great fucking movie. 1.00

00:33:43.000 I love how you use a lot of the same people over and over again, too. 0.99

00:33:46.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 Well, you worked with Steven Root.

00:33:49.000 Oh, he's the best.

00:33:50.000 He's incredible, yeah.

00:33:50.000 Steven Root was the guy that was the only guy on set that was 100% completely different human being than who he was on television.

00:33:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, it's crazy when someone...

00:34:02.000 And Steven Root, like, when he played Milton, just completely different.

00:34:07.000 Like, I've...

00:34:08.000 I've told – I remember years I was talking to Ben Stiller and he said, who played Milton?

00:34:15.000 And I said, that's Steven Root.

00:34:16.000 He was like, what?

00:34:18.000 He'd seen the whole thing and I had no idea that was him and he had met him and everything.

00:34:21.000 He does that in every movie he's in.

00:34:23.000 But he's a different human hanging out on the set.

00:34:27.000 He's a regular guy.

00:34:28.000 And then he'd become Jimmy James.

00:34:30.000 And he would become Jimmy James.

00:34:32.000 I mean, it was a character that he developed.

00:34:35.000 I mean, Jimmy James had tendencies.

00:34:36.000 He had opinions. 0.99

00:34:38.000 He had a whole fucking biography for this guy. 0.99

00:34:41.000 Such a strong character. 0.99

00:34:42.000 Yeah.

00:34:43.000 I saw that you weren't in the pilot, right?

00:34:45.000 You came in the second or third episode?

00:34:48.000 Ray Romano was the original me from the pilot.

00:34:54.000 And Ray got fired, and then they brought in a second guy, luckily, and then that guy got fired.

00:34:59.000 Because I didn't want to take the job from Ray, so I took the job from the guy who took the job from Ray.

00:35:05.000 Which is good.

00:35:06.000 Oh, okay.

00:35:07.000 Better. 0.99

00:35:07.000 Because Ray was my friend, who would suck. 0.99

00:35:09.000 Oh, wow. 0.99

00:35:10.000 Like, if Ray...

00:35:11.000 Oh, I didn't know that backstory.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, so obviously it worked out fantastic for Ray, because Everybody Loves Raymond, he did right after that.

00:35:18.000 So right after he got fired, then he's doing Everybody Loves Raymond.

00:35:21.000 I'm trying to think when that came out.

00:35:22.000 I remember I had met Paul Sims in 94, and I was writing the King of the Hill pilot, and I was...

00:35:31.000 Or no, I guess 95 or 96, but I was...

00:35:35.000 Or I'd met him before.

00:35:35.000 Anyway, he had just – he sent me a VHS of the pilot of News Radio and I immediately called and said, who's the guy playing Jimmy James?

00:35:45.000 That guy is incredible.

00:35:45.000 I've never seen him in anything.

00:35:48.000 And yeah, then that led to him – well, he auditioned for King of the Hill and he was just clearly just – Really amazing.

00:35:57.000 No, he's amazing in everything.

00:35:58.000 You know, he did one of the most incredible things I've ever seen him do.

00:36:03.000 We had a table read and Troy Aikman was going to do a guest appearance in King of the Hill, which he did, I think.

00:36:09.000 But he couldn't do the first table read.

00:36:12.000 Just at the last minute, I understand why Stephen was a little pissed.

00:36:15.000 He's like, someone said, okay, can you read Troy Aikman?

00:36:17.000 And he's like, I don't know what Troy Aikman talks like.

00:36:19.000 I don't know.

00:36:20.000 Really?

00:36:20.000 You're just springing me on this?

00:36:22.000 And he proceeded to do the best version of an athlete, pro athlete who can't act at a table read.

00:36:29.000 Yeah.

00:36:30.000 I wish I had a tape of it.

00:36:31.000 It was so genius.

00:36:32.000 The levels of it, it was like, he's doing a guy who can't act, but he's doing a good job acting, and he's throwing in an accent that sounds like a football player from Texas, and it was just amazing.

00:36:45.000 He was great, and did you see that Cowboy movie?

00:36:48.000 I think it was a Coen Brothers film.

00:36:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:50.000 It was a weird film where it was like a bunch of different snippets.

00:36:53.000 Yes, and it's got Tim Blake Nelson in it.

00:36:56.000 Yes.

00:36:57.000 Oh, yeah, I saw that.

00:36:59.000 Yes.

00:36:59.000 I love that movie.

00:37:00.000 It was a great movie.

00:37:01.000 It's only one of the Coen Brothers, right?

00:37:04.000 Wasn't that the first one?

00:37:04.000 I don't know.

00:37:05.000 I don't know.

00:37:07.000 Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

00:37:10.000 Do you remember the film?

00:37:11.000 But it was like...

00:37:13.000 Not so good.

00:37:14.000 It was multiple tragedies.

00:37:17.000 He's been in a few.

00:37:18.000 It wasn't No Country for Old Men.

00:37:20.000 I typed in Coen Brothers, though, and I'm trying to...

00:37:23.000 Type in the Stephen Root cowboy movie.

00:37:27.000 It's only one of the brothers.

00:37:28.000 I think it's Tim Blake Nelson's in it.

00:37:30.000 Oh, Brother Ferratto?

00:37:32.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:37:33.000 That's another great fucking movie. 1.00

00:37:36.000 Just type in Stephen Root cowboy film. 1.00

00:37:43.000 Oh, is that the one?

00:37:45.000 Well, go to his IMDB and we can find it. 0.99

00:37:48.000 He played some fucking... 0.98

00:37:50.000 He's got a lot of movies. 0.99

00:37:51.000 His IMDB is...

00:37:52.000 Office Space is right at the top, though.

00:37:55.000 Wait, is that...

00:37:55.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:37:57.000 These are all too new.

00:37:57.000 It's fairly recent.

00:37:58.000 It's like 2019, I think, or something.

00:38:00.000 Let me see.

00:38:00.000 Go down there.

00:38:02.000 It'll be...

00:38:03.000 Oh, man.

00:38:05.000 Where is this?

00:38:07.000 Here...

00:38:12.000 I can't...

00:38:12.000 Hold on, you're going too fast.

00:38:14.000 I know, I'm...

00:38:16.000 Ballad of Buster Scruggs?

00:38:17.000 That's it.

00:38:18.000 That's it.

00:38:19.000 There we go.

00:38:19.000 Bam.

00:38:20.000 Am I wrong?

00:38:20.000 Is it?

00:38:20.000 Yep.

00:38:21.000 100%.

00:38:21.000 Oh, it is both.

00:38:22.000 It is both Coen Brothers.

00:38:23.000 I thought it was one of the ones that just one of them did.

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:25.000 That is a really good one there.

00:38:27.000 Tim Blake Nelson is fucking awesome, too. 0.97

00:38:29.000 Yeah, he's so good. 0.93

00:38:29.000 You know what he's great in? 0.93

00:38:30.000 This movie is fucking really fun. 0.96

00:38:33.000 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs is so unusual, and Root's character is completely insane. 0.98

00:38:38.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 So good. 0.99

00:38:39.000 It's just like, it's one of those movies where you're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:38:44.000 But that's all of their movies. 0.95

00:38:46.000 Their movies are so interesting.

00:38:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:48.000 They're so weird.

00:38:49.000 They make so many, I haven't even seen them all.

00:38:52.000 Tim Blake Nelson's brother was a producer on Idiocracy, actually.

00:38:56.000 Tim Blake Nelson is in a great Western called Old Henry.

00:39:00.000 Have you seen Old Henry?

00:39:01.000 I haven't seen that one.

00:39:02.000 It's great.

00:39:02.000 I don't want to give away, there's like a plot twist to it, and you go, what?

00:39:08.000 But it's a really interesting old western, but it's not funny at all.

00:39:13.000 Is it?

00:39:13.000 Oh.

00:39:14.000 Is it a recent one?

00:39:15.000 Yeah, I want to say it's like 2020. Last year?

00:39:18.000 I wonder if Westerns are going to come back. 1.00

00:39:20.000 That's it.

00:39:21.000 That's old Henry. 0.99

00:39:22.000 That's fucking good. 0.99

00:39:23.000 And that's one I just took a chance on. 0.98

00:39:25.000 I was home, and I was bored, and I was like, let me see what new movies are out.

00:39:31.000 And I looked in iTunes, and it was just there.

00:39:33.000 Oh, I think I saw it.

00:39:34.000 And it was highly rated.

00:39:35.000 So I said, all right, let's take a different chance.

00:39:37.000 Is that Trace Adkins' in it?

00:39:39.000 Oh, man.

00:39:40.000 Yeah.

00:39:41.000 And Stephen Dorff's great in it, too.

00:39:43.000 I had no idea what the movie was about, so I'm like, okay, let's just give it a chance, and it was really fucking cool. 0.90

00:39:50.000 Wow. 0.56

00:39:51.000 I love a good Western, though.

00:39:52.000 I'm a sucker for a Western.

00:39:53.000 Oh, me too.

00:39:54.000 I like...

00:39:56.000 Like Unforgiven. 0.99

00:39:57.000 Oh, Unforgiven's fucking fantastic. 0.98

00:39:59.000 It's like one of the greatest ever. 0.98

00:40:01.000 That was like, in my opinion, that was like Clint Eastwood doing like a clean-up.

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 You know I did all these films that were kind of unrealistic about Westerns and Cowboys.

00:40:13.000 Let me come back and show you what it was probably really like.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:17.000 That's what, like, I get, like, watching...

00:40:20.000 Like, that's probably what a...

00:40:23.000 A draw, like a shootout where people are actually screaming and freaking out that someone died.

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 I mean, that was incredible. 0.99

00:40:32.000 And this one guy who can just keep it together and that's why he can kill everybody.

00:40:36.000 He just doesn't freak out.

00:40:38.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 I like the stylized ones too, but that one was just, that blew my mind.

00:40:42.000 That one holds up.

00:40:44.000 Oh, it's fantastic.

00:40:45.000 I mean, I love all of his old westerns.

00:40:47.000 I love Outlaw Josie Wales.

00:40:49.000 I love all the spaghetti westerns.

00:40:50.000 I had the box set of the DVDs.

00:40:52.000 I mean, any time one of those would come on, I would just be glued to the set.

00:40:56.000 It's really incredible that that moment in human history, like when people were making their way across the continental United States, became such a genre for film.

00:41:05.000 Yeah, I wonder...

00:41:06.000 Yeah, I guess...

00:41:08.000 There's not a lot of pioneer movies.

00:41:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:11.000 There's a few, but it's nothing like the Westerns.

00:41:15.000 They say the Wild West only lasted like eight years or something, where it was really wild or something.

00:41:23.000 Is that really?

00:41:24.000 I guess it's all post-Civil War, right?

00:41:26.000 I shouldn't be talking.

00:41:27.000 I'm not a historian on it.

00:41:29.000 I just remember someone saying that, that it was like before it was really tamed.

00:41:38.000 Yeah.

00:41:39.000 Well, that makes sense.

00:41:40.000 I mean, I think a lot of it had to do with the gold rush, right?

00:41:44.000 Yeah.

00:41:45.000 You know?

00:41:47.000 I mean, that was the reason why people were motivated to make their way out to those weird towns in, like, San Francisco and, like, all these places, Seattle.

00:41:56.000 They were miners.

00:41:58.000 Lay down railroad tracks.

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:42:01.000 It's just a very unusual time in history, but as a genre for film...

00:42:07.000 It's such a rewarding genre because it's lawlessness.

00:42:11.000 So you can have this one person with morals and ethics who keeps the fucking town together and then this bad guy comes in and is trying to take over and just such a, you know, such a classic story.

00:42:24.000 Yeah, just pure writing, you know, about... 0.65

00:42:27.000 Yeah, there's also a bunch of...

00:42:29.000 Quentin Tarantino used to do a thing where he'd come to Austin and show...

00:42:32.000 He has just a collection of prints of movies that no one's ever seen.

00:42:39.000 Like, maybe now a lot of them are available, but like...

00:42:43.000 I remember around 2002, 2004, a couple Westerns that didn't even have people I had heard of in it hardly, like, that were just incredible.

00:42:53.000 I mean, like, I don't know, I won't even try to describe them, but they were, like, on par with all those, whatever, Sergio Leone spaghetti Westerns.

00:43:02.000 And just totally unknown?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, unknown.

00:43:05.000 I mean, some of them...

00:43:07.000 Yeah, I remember there was one where this guy, he goes to a town, he's like a gunslinger, and the bad guys are coming, and they just desperately need him to save the town, and the mayor promises the guy his daughter if he can defend the town.

00:43:23.000 You kind of forget about it and there's a big shootout and everybody's happy at the end and you think this is a happy ending and then the guy goes, no, I get the daughter.

00:43:31.000 Like he's like – at the end of it, like he's like – and you're like, whoa, this dude wasn't really all – they kind of make him not a hero at the end of it.

00:43:40.000 It was a really interesting dark movie.

00:43:42.000 I can't remember the name of it.

00:43:44.000 And probably what it was really like back then.

00:43:46.000 Right.

00:43:47.000 There probably were no real good guys.

00:43:49.000 Yes.

00:43:49.000 You know, when you have a time in history where the morals are completely eroded and you see mass atrocities committed left and right, like even whatever the bar is for the good guys is probably quite a bit lower.

00:44:03.000 Yeah.

00:44:04.000 It doesn't take much to tip the scales into horrible anarchy.

00:44:10.000 No, it's just, it's so interesting how we romanticize those moments, though.

00:44:16.000 Those moments, like, that's, like, one of the big, I mean, when we were kids, we played cowboys and Indians.

00:44:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:44:22.000 You know, that was...

00:44:23.000 I don't know if that's allowed anymore, but that's what all...

00:44:26.000 I don't think so.

00:44:27.000 I don't think you play an Indian unless you are one now. 1.00

00:44:29.000 We had the pop gun, and you watched Lone Ranger.

00:44:33.000 Yeah.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 Yeah, people forgot Johnny Depp played Tonto.

00:44:40.000 Oh, that's right.

00:44:41.000 He got in trouble.

00:44:42.000 Oh, he did?

00:44:43.000 He's not an Indian. 1.00

00:44:45.000 Yeah, people were angry.

00:44:46.000 Is he like 164th or something?

00:44:47.000 Is he?

00:44:47.000 I don't know.

00:44:48.000 Oh, not enough.

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, it's just such a...

00:44:56.000 I mean, so many shows.

00:44:58.000 Bodanza, so many different television shows.

00:45:01.000 Yeah, I wonder if it's going to make a comeback.

00:45:02.000 Deadwood.

00:45:04.000 Wasn't there a Western recently?

00:45:08.000 Didn't?

00:45:09.000 No.

00:45:10.000 Yellowstone, kind of.

00:45:11.000 Yellowstone is modern, though.

00:45:13.000 Yeah, I haven't seen that yet.

00:45:13.000 1883?

00:45:14.000 Yeah, the prequel, right?

00:45:16.000 Yeah, I haven't seen that.

00:45:17.000 Is that good?

00:45:18.000 I haven't watched it. 0.99

00:45:19.000 Yellowstone's fucking great. 0.99

00:45:21.000 I hear it's great. 0.99

00:45:21.000 I've got to watch it, yeah. 0.99

00:45:23.000 Yeah.

00:45:24.000 Do you do much consuming of films and stuff when you're not making them?

00:45:30.000 I went through a long phase where I wasn't at all.

00:45:33.000 And now I do.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, now I try to watch a lot of stuff.

00:45:37.000 But there's so much stuff I can't keep up.

00:45:39.000 Yeah, it's impossible.

00:45:40.000 People are always telling me about, oh, you've got to see Euphoria.

00:45:43.000 I'm like, how?

00:45:45.000 Where's my time?

00:45:45.000 You tell me how.

00:45:46.000 How I can watch this.

00:45:47.000 You know the thing that I just saw that made me absolutely want to watch it is there's an entire series of Rowan Atkinson trying to kill a bee.

00:45:56.000 Have you seen that trailer?

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.000 One bee?

00:45:59.000 I was laughing so hard at this thing.

00:46:01.000 What is it called?

00:46:02.000 I think it's called something the bee or something like that.

00:46:05.000 What?

00:46:06.000 We did a Beavis and Put-It episode where they try to kill a fly.

00:46:09.000 Mr. Bean?

00:46:10.000 Man versus bee.

00:46:11.000 Wow, look at that car he's got. 0.98

00:46:14.000 He just gradually fucks everything up more and more just trying to kill this one bee.

00:46:17.000 Is this a British film or it's a Netflix thing?

00:46:19.000 A Netflix, but it's a Simpsons.

00:46:23.000 A Netflix series?

00:46:24.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 Hello, sweet pea. 0.50

00:46:31.000 It's Dad here.

00:46:32.000 I managed to get a job.

00:46:34.000 It means that we can still go on holiday together.

00:46:39.000 Danny, I'll call you back. 1.00

00:46:44.000 So dumb. 1.00

00:46:51.000 This guy has been doing slapstick for a thousand years. 1.00

00:46:55.000 I guess I'm just like...

00:46:56.000 I haven't seen anything like this in so long.

00:47:00.000 It was so refreshing.

00:47:06.000 They're going to make an entire series on this premise.

00:47:09.000 I just got to see how...

00:47:11.000 I think he can pull it off.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, probably.

00:47:22.000 Man vs. 0.95

00:47:23.000 Bean.

00:47:24.000 Jesus, that's a series?

00:47:26.000 I haven't seen anything remotely like that.

00:47:29.000 He's an acquired taste. 0.99

00:47:31.000 Either you love that guy, or you're like, what the fuck is this Mr. Bean guy? 0.99

00:47:35.000 It took me a little while, and then I was all in. 1.00

00:47:40.000 Well, you can watch it in small, like when you're not, you just kind of need something dumb to fall asleep.

00:47:46.000 I would like to talk to him about his health.

00:47:49.000 Oh, is he?

00:47:50.000 No, because I have this Chevy Chase theory. 1.00

00:47:54.000 My Chevy Chase theory is like, everybody says Chevy Chase is an asshole. 1.00

00:47:57.000 I'm like, I bet Chevy Chase is in constant pain. 1.00

00:48:00.000 Because if you think about all the times that Chevy Chase would fall down for decades...

00:48:06.000 All of his comedy was him, like, doing something and falling into a pile of chairs and slipping off of a stage and landing on his neck, and he was constantly falling down.

00:48:19.000 He was constantly slipping on a banana peel, feet first, up in the air, slams down on his head.

00:48:24.000 That guy fell hundreds of times.

00:48:27.000 He fell every night on Saturday Night Live, didn't he?

00:48:30.000 Constantly.

00:48:30.000 Always.

00:48:31.000 Well, I think he does have...

00:48:33.000 Injuries, right?

00:48:34.000 He has to.

00:48:35.000 Johnny Knoxville has so... 1.00

00:48:37.000 His dick's broken. 1.00

00:48:38.000 All of his dick's broken. 1.00

00:48:39.000 He's beat up all kinds of ways. 1.00

00:48:41.000 Yeah.

00:48:41.000 Well, he did it to himself.

00:48:44.000 He did it in a different way.

00:48:47.000 He did it in a way where you're 100% going to get hurt.

00:48:52.000 There's no controlling it.

00:48:53.000 At least Chevy was responsible for his falls. 1.00

00:48:56.000 He's getting thrown in the air by bulls and shit. 0.99

00:48:58.000 Oh my god, that guy gives me anxiety. 1.00

00:49:01.000 But the Chevy Chase one, I'm fascinated by because when I found out that Chevy Chase was considered an asshole by so many people, I'm like, what? 0.99

00:49:08.000 Fletch? 0.99

00:49:09.000 That guy?

00:49:10.000 He seemed so cool. 1.00

00:49:11.000 I'm like, how could he be an asshole? 1.00

00:49:13.000 And then as I got older and I have this deep concern about brain damage and brain injuries from fighters and stuff, and then I was watching him like, how bad is he fucked up? 1.00

00:49:25.000 Like, I guarantee you he's thinking irrationally. 0.97

00:49:28.000 I guarantee you he's very impulsive.

00:49:30.000 I guarantee you he has CTE. 100%.

00:49:33.000 Oh, all that stuff gets your...

00:49:35.000 Even if it's not hitting your head, it can...

00:49:37.000 Yes.

00:49:37.000 Oh.

00:49:38.000 It affects your impulse control.

00:49:40.000 You know, a lot of guys that do that wind up being heavy drinkers or gamblers.

00:49:45.000 They're like...

00:49:46.000 The way I describe it is, like, imagine if all day long you're, like, irritated.

00:49:51.000 Like...

00:49:54.000 Yeah.

00:49:55.000 But you're going through life like that. 0.99

00:49:56.000 So you're going through life constantly and also impulse control is fucked because of CTE. I wonder, well, you know all those, it seems like the UFC guys, the MMA guys don't have that as bad as boxers or do they? 0.68

00:50:11.000 No, they have it bad.

00:50:13.000 They just haven't gotten old enough.

00:50:15.000 There's plenty of guys that have it pretty bad.

00:50:17.000 There's guys that get out, and in boxing there's guys that get out.

00:50:21.000 Andre Ward is my favorite example.

00:50:23.000 He's brilliant, eloquent, incredibly good at commentary and talking and explaining things.

00:50:32.000 And the guy was a two-division world champion and Olympic gold medalist, and he just decided, you know what?

00:50:37.000 I'm getting out while the getting's good.

00:50:39.000 I'm perfect.

00:50:39.000 I'm in my 30s.

00:50:41.000 He was in prime, the prime of his career, world champion.

00:50:44.000 He said, I think I could serve boxing better as an example of what's possible than as a guy who keeps fighting.

00:50:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:50:50.000 Yeah, he's brilliant.

00:50:51.000 Brilliant guy.

00:50:52.000 And one of the best commentators ever.

00:50:54.000 And that's rare, though.

00:50:57.000 Yeah, everyone wants to hang on too long.

00:50:59.000 Well, it's like the thrill of doing that is so much more exciting than the thrill of doing anything else in your life.

00:51:06.000 Imagine if you do this one thing that gets you to tens.

00:51:12.000 And you've got to remember with Andre, there was no real agony of defeat.

00:51:16.000 He was an undefeated world champion, an Olympic gold medalist.

00:51:20.000 He's handsome, so his pristine face didn't get busted up.

00:51:25.000 Wow.

00:51:25.000 Really never, other than Kovalev, Kovalev was the only guy that really hurt him in a fight.

00:51:29.000 Never really got hurt bad.

00:51:31.000 And even in that fight, he wound up winning.

00:51:33.000 He didn't get knocked out?

00:51:34.000 Nope.

00:51:34.000 No, he won every fight.

00:51:36.000 He was undefeated.

00:51:37.000 Yeah, and if he had stayed in, probably would have...

00:51:39.000 Who knows?

00:51:40.000 I mean, they usually stay in until they get knocked out, don't they?

00:51:43.000 Well, until something goes bad.

00:51:46.000 Bernard Hopkins is a good example of that, but he was in his 50s when he finally started getting really...

00:51:51.000 when he lost to Joe Smith Jr. and he fell through the ropes.

00:51:54.000 But UFC fighters most certainly get brain damage.

00:51:58.000 You can get out without it.

00:52:00.000 It's possible.

00:52:01.000 But, you know, we did a thing yesterday.

00:52:03.000 We were going over NBA players, or, excuse me, NFL players with CTE. And they said 99% of NFL players that have been tested have CTE. Oh, really?

00:52:14.000 Jesus.

00:52:15.000 It's wild.

00:52:16.000 So is that almost worse than fighting?

00:52:18.000 I think it's worse.

00:52:19.000 Because I think it's uncontrolled.

00:52:21.000 Because with fighting, like say if you're a skilled fighter, you can choose to engage or not to engage.

00:52:28.000 With MMA, I think it's better than boxing because you can choose to tie someone up and take them to the ground.

00:52:33.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 You know, there's options.

00:52:35.000 I guess that's what I had heard.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, there's options, but...

00:52:38.000 People get...

00:52:39.000 The thing is, you're getting hurt in sparring.

00:52:41.000 Sparring is hurting you almost as bad as the fights themselves.

00:52:44.000 There's a lot of people that wound up getting really bad brain damage that never even fought.

00:52:49.000 They just sparred a lot.

00:52:50.000 Oh, wow.

00:52:51.000 Jesus.

00:52:52.000 Yeah.

00:52:53.000 I mean, sparring is hitting.

00:52:54.000 You're getting hit.

00:52:55.000 That's where the brain damage comes from.

00:52:58.000 Do you know people get CTE from jet skiing?

00:53:01.000 Really?

00:53:02.000 From hitting the water?

00:53:02.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:03.000 Yeah.

00:53:03.000 Oh, you do hit the water pretty hard when you...

00:53:05.000 Yeah, we were on the lake the other day and I was watching these guys because there was a boat that was... 0.99

00:53:10.000 We were on jet skis too, but I don't fuck around like that. 0.98

00:53:14.000 I just ride. 0.99

00:53:15.000 They're fun to ride, right? 0.99

00:53:16.000 I don't need to jump in the air and shit. 0.98

00:53:17.000 And I had my daughter on my back. 0.98

00:53:19.000 The back of the jet ski, but we're behind this boat, and these guys are, you know, they're making waves with this boat, like it's a wake-surfing boat, you know those things, so people get behind them on the board.

00:53:30.000 And these guys were riding those waves on the jet skis, just...

00:53:33.000 And they have these super-powered jet skis now, they're so fucking fast.

00:53:42.000 So every time they land, it's like a car accident. 0.51

00:53:45.000 It's like, boom!

00:53:47.000 So the mush inside your brain is just slamming against the wall, and that soft tissue that keeps your brain in place is all getting jumbled up.

00:53:58.000 Is that going all night while you're...

00:54:00.000 You live right on the lake, right?

00:54:01.000 Yeah, it's not going at night.

00:54:02.000 Jet ski guys don't go at night.

00:54:04.000 The boat guys, though.

00:54:05.000 Occasionally you get a boat that goes out at night.

00:54:07.000 But, you know, a lot of the reasons why they do that is they go fishing at night.

00:54:10.000 They do catfish.

00:54:12.000 Oh.

00:54:12.000 Yeah, or they bow fish, which is kind of cool.

00:54:15.000 They take a boat, like a fishing boat, with lights hanging over the sides, and the fish come near the light.

00:54:21.000 Oh, they just come for the lights?

00:54:22.000 They shoot it with bows and arrows.

00:54:24.000 I want to try that.

00:54:25.000 I haven't done that yet.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, so you got into archery, huh?

00:54:29.000 We were talking about you saw the range that we have here.

00:54:31.000 Yeah, it's really addictive.

00:54:34.000 It is, right?

00:54:35.000 Yeah, I started doing it in my backyard.

00:54:37.000 Well, then I have a place outside of town with lots of room.

00:54:41.000 But yeah, I still have never killed a mammal, but I figure I eat meat.

00:54:49.000 Also, there's a...

00:54:50.000 Really bad hog problem.

00:54:53.000 On your ranch?

00:54:53.000 Feral hogs everywhere.

00:54:55.000 How bad is your ranch?

00:54:57.000 Well, right now, I mean, I don't know, there's some people that they kind of come and go.

00:55:03.000 Like about 10 years ago, some friends of mine went out there and hunted a bunch of them.

00:55:07.000 But, I mean, they'll come through and it's just like a rototiller.

00:55:13.000 Like they'll just rip everything up.

00:55:15.000 It's kind of crazy.

00:55:15.000 A friend of mine said that he was raising sheep.

00:55:19.000 They killed like 20 lambs and one night hogs came through and just...

00:55:25.000 Yeah, that's something that people don't realize.

00:55:27.000 They're predatory.

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, the first time I saw one, it's like big old tusks. 0.69

00:55:33.000 Like, they're crossed between, I guess, European wild boars that were brought over and escaped just domestic hogs, I guess, that the Spanish brought over. 0.97

00:55:42.000 And they get big, yeah.

00:55:45.000 Well, they're all the same animal, believe it or not. 0.96

00:55:48.000 Pigs are a weird animal. 0.88

00:55:50.000 This is one of the reasons why pigs are weird.

00:55:51.000 When you take a domestic pig, say a male domestic pig, and he's, you know, eating, feed, and whatever you give him, and then you open the gate and let him loose.

00:56:01.000 Within weeks, he starts to change.

00:56:05.000 And they'll grow tusks? 0.61

00:56:06.000 Yes.

00:56:06.000 Just by the conditions that they're putting?

00:56:08.000 Yes.

00:56:09.000 Oh, okay, that makes sense.

00:56:10.000 Not just tusks, but their face changes.

00:56:12.000 Yeah, they have a different face when they grow.

00:56:14.000 Yeah, their nose extends. 0.87

00:56:15.000 Yeah, they get longer, yeah.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, see if you can find anything on this, because it's really fascinating. 0.93

00:56:19.000 I was just reading, yeah, there's a book, it's this author, Neil Stevenson, it's called, oh shit, what's it called? 0.86

00:56:26.000 Termination Shock. 0.97

00:56:27.000 It's set in the near future where hogs are just out of control. 1.00

00:56:31.000 That's possible.

00:56:31.000 But he goes into the history of it.

00:56:33.000 So a regular hog would just start going wild if you I don't think there's another mammal like it, not that I've ever heard of, that when you release them into the wild, they have a physical transformation.

00:56:45.000 Like a cat could become a feral cat, right?

00:56:47.000 And then they act differently and they're afraid of people.

00:56:49.000 But hogs, their nose grows longer. 1.00

00:56:52.000 Yeah, they look different.

00:56:53.000 They look like a wild boar.

00:56:55.000 Their fur changes.

00:56:56.000 It gets thicker and bushier.

00:56:57.000 Their tusks grow.

00:56:59.000 So when you see those pigs, Yeah, see? 0.96

00:57:05.000 That's what they look like.

00:57:07.000 It's wild. 1.00

00:57:08.000 It changes their fucking face. 1.00

00:57:10.000 Wow. 1.00

00:57:10.000 And it changes their nose. 1.00

00:57:12.000 I don't understand what causes it.

00:57:15.000 Well, I just Googled this, when domestic pigs change in the wild.

00:57:21.000 Okay.

00:57:22.000 Just check that.

00:57:23.000 Let me see that right there.

00:57:24.000 It didn't say much more than what you said, though.

00:57:25.000 But this is good right here.

00:57:26.000 It says domestic pigs can quickly revert to wild pigs, although domestic pigs as we know it today took hundreds of years to breed.

00:57:34.000 Just a few months in the wild is enough to make a domestic pig turn feral.

00:57:38.000 It will grow tusks, thick hair, and become more aggressive.

00:57:42.000 Just a few months.

00:57:44.000 And their nose changes, like it grows and extends their snout.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, they look more evil.

00:57:51.000 It's the same genus.

00:57:52.000 They're all called Sue Scroffa.

00:57:55.000 But obviously, it's just like dogs, right?

00:57:59.000 Even, say, a dog like a German Shepherd.

00:58:02.000 There's big German Shepherds and small German Shepherds.

00:58:04.000 If you breed the big ones, you make a big one.

00:58:06.000 And that's how it is with wild pigs, too.

00:58:09.000 But with domestic hogs and wild pigs, it's not like it's a hybrid.

00:58:14.000 They're literally the same animal.

00:58:15.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:17.000 I also heard – yeah, when you – well, the ones that my friends hunted out of my place, like you don't get the bacon off the – like when they're wild, there's like – They're still really good, but not as fatty.

00:58:32.000 Yeah, they're very lean.

00:58:33.000 And they're darker meat, too.

00:58:34.000 It's almost like a reddish meat.

00:58:36.000 Yeah, it looks different.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, well, the ones that you get in the supermarket are essentially like veal.

00:58:42.000 They're just sitting there in a pen.

00:58:44.000 They've just been pampered. 0.99

00:58:44.000 Yeah, and they're fattening them up until they're ready to slaughter them. 0.99

00:58:49.000 I mean, that's really where you get bacon from.

00:58:50.000 Bacon is from obese pigs.

00:58:52.000 Yeah, it only comes...

00:58:54.000 Yeah.

00:58:54.000 They have to be super obese to get that...

00:58:56.000 Yeah, it comes off...

00:58:58.000 Was it like off their rib cage or something?

00:59:00.000 I think it's like...

00:59:01.000 I don't know what the difference is between pork belly and bacon is.

00:59:05.000 Bacon is...

00:59:06.000 Pork belly...

00:59:06.000 I mean, I think bacon is almost like brisket.

00:59:09.000 I think it's similar...

00:59:11.000 There was a writer on The Simpsons, I forget who it was, he wanted to see, he loved bacon so much, he wanted to see if it was possible to ever, to eat so much bacon that he doesn't want anymore, so he did an experiment on a weekend and just woke up on Saturday,

00:59:27.000 started making bacon, just eating bacon, and there's a ton of salt in it, and his tongue and his cheeks started swelling up, and he had to actually go to the hospital Because he's having trouble breathing while he was in the hospital.

00:59:40.000 Jesus Christ!

00:59:41.000 He said he still wanted more bacon while he was in the hospital.

00:59:44.000 He never found the point where he didn't want more bacon.

00:59:47.000 Oh my God!

00:59:49.000 I forget the guy's name.

00:59:50.000 That much salt?

00:59:51.000 There's really that much salt and bacon?

00:59:53.000 Yeah, I guess that's the, it's cured, salt cured.

00:59:56.000 Yeah, that's what makes it bacon.

00:59:59.000 Pork belly versus bacon, what's the difference?

01:00:01.000 The most basic difference between pork belly and bacon is the pork belly cut isn't smoked or cured, and it only comes from the belly of the pig, the softer meat that is interchangeable with most recipes that call for pork, whereas bacon can be derived from the belly and is cured and sometimes smoked.

01:00:16.000 Oh, so it is the same area, it's just turned into bacon.

01:00:22.000 So streaky pork bacon is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon.

01:00:27.000 Instead, pork belly is the whole slab cut from the fleshy underside of a pig.

01:00:32.000 Streaky pork bacon is cut from this slab, and pork belly is unsmoked and uncured.

01:00:37.000 Have you ever gone to Dai Due in town?

01:00:43.000 Have you ever eaten there?

01:00:44.000 Oh, that sounds familiar.

01:00:45.000 No.

01:00:45.000 It's a fantastic restaurant made by...

01:00:48.000 The head chef is this guy, my friend Jesse Griffiths.

01:00:51.000 And Jesse, who's been a guest on the podcast before too, he runs a school.

01:00:57.000 What is his school called again?

01:00:59.000 He's got like...

01:01:01.000 It's basically a school where he teaches people from scratch and takes them.

01:01:07.000 He does it in very limited numbers.

01:01:08.000 This new school of traditional cookery.

01:01:11.000 So he takes people out from scratch.

01:01:14.000 This is how you shoot a gun.

01:01:16.000 This is how you pull a trigger.

01:01:18.000 This is how you sight a rifle. 1.00

01:01:20.000 This is how you kill a pig. 1.00

01:01:21.000 This is how you butcher the pig. 0.99

01:01:23.000 This is how you cook the pig. 0.85

01:01:25.000 And he's an incredible chef.

01:01:27.000 His restaurant, Dai Due, is one of my absolute favorite places in Austin.

01:01:31.000 I think I have heard of it.

01:01:32.000 It's amazing.

01:01:33.000 Where is it?

01:01:35.000 I want to say it's on Congress?

01:01:37.000 I think I have heard of this.

01:01:39.000 We'll pull it up.

01:01:40.000 Yeah, when I saw the...

01:01:41.000 Pull it up just to let them know.

01:01:45.000 What's it on?

01:01:47.000 Does it say what street's it on?

01:01:49.000 Oh, yeah, over there on...

01:01:51.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:51.000 Oh, that's right by...

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 Just give me a second so I can read out.

01:01:56.000 It's by Hoover's.

01:01:57.000 It's called Manor.

01:01:57.000 It just disappeared when I got close.

01:01:59.000 Manor Road off of...

01:02:00.000 Manor Road.

01:02:00.000 Just east of Texas.

01:02:02.000 Manor?

01:02:02.000 Yeah, that's over by Hoover's.

01:02:05.000 Go to Hoover's all the time.

01:02:06.000 But the way you spell it is D-A-I-D-U-E, right?

01:02:10.000 Is that how you spell it? 0.99

01:02:11.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

01:02:13.000 He makes a ceviche with antelope, with Texas antelope. 0.99

01:02:20.000 It's a Nilgai ceviche.

01:02:22.000 So is the antelope raw then?

01:02:24.000 Yes.

01:02:25.000 It's like if you would imagine a version of tartare, like a beef tartare, because it's raw, but think more in terms of ceviche where it's cured with lime and he'll put it on chips.

01:02:40.000 You know, like, you'll serve it with tortilla chips.

01:02:43.000 It's fantastic.

01:02:44.000 Well, I've never heard of ceviche that wasn't fish.

01:02:46.000 He has fish and chips from local Texas fish, like Texas redfish.

01:02:53.000 Oh, so it's all kind of...

01:02:54.000 All local.

01:02:55.000 Oh.

01:02:55.000 Oh, wow.

01:02:56.000 Yeah, and a lot of it is wild, like wild game.

01:03:01.000 Well, antelope, yeah.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, nail guy antelope.

01:03:03.000 Texas is an interesting place in that you can serve wild game in restaurants commercially, which is not legal in a lot of other places.

01:03:13.000 Oh, it isn't legal?

01:03:14.000 Most places, like say if you go to a restaurant, say in like Michigan, I don't know about Michigan, like California, a good example, and you buy elk.

01:03:22.000 You're not getting elk from the United States.

01:03:24.000 You're getting elk most likely from New Zealand.

01:03:27.000 The law is just...

01:03:28.000 Yeah, they can...

01:03:30.000 That's weird.

01:03:30.000 You know, New Zealand is a weird place because New Zealand doesn't have any predators and almost all the big game mammals that are brought into New Zealand were brought into the, I believe it was the 1800s, they tried to create...

01:03:42.000 Yeah, there's not natives.

01:03:43.000 Elk aren't natives.

01:03:43.000 No, no, no.

01:03:44.000 They have stag there, which is a very similar animal to elk, very similar tasting.

01:03:49.000 And they're similar looking too.

01:03:51.000 But they brought these animals over there to create like a wild game preserve for Europeans. 1.00

01:03:55.000 So the Europeans would come over, we've gone to New Zealand to hunt. 0.99

01:04:00.000 And they were hunting these animals that didn't have any predators.

01:04:03.000 And so the populations boom to the point where, unfortunately, they have to cull the populations of these incredibly nutritious, delicious, beautiful animals, and they shoot them and just leave them there.

01:04:15.000 Like, they'll gun them down with helicopters.

01:04:17.000 Oh, so they're not even going to waste?

01:04:18.000 There's so many of them.

01:04:19.000 There's no predators.

01:04:21.000 So you have these mountainous, beautiful landscapes filled with these animals, and it comes a time where they have to keep the populations in check.

01:04:30.000 Right.

01:04:30.000 So they do farm them, and they do sell a lot of lamb.

01:04:35.000 A lot of lamb comes from New Zealand, and a lot of elk comes from New Zealand.

01:04:40.000 Did you ever see that cane toad documentary?

01:04:43.000 No.

01:04:43.000 That's another example of they brought these cane toads to...

01:04:47.000 Australia?

01:04:48.000 Yeah, to Australia to get beetles off the sugar canes.

01:04:51.000 And the sugar canes grow taller there, so they didn't even get the beetles.

01:04:54.000 And then they just reproduced.

01:04:57.000 No predator.

01:04:58.000 Oh, and then they brought in cats to deal with the cane toads, I think.

01:05:01.000 Oh, I think they did, yeah.

01:05:02.000 But this documentary, it's all these Australian hillbillies and just millions of cane toads.

01:05:07.000 It wasn't supposed to be funny, and then it became like a viral VHS hit in the...

01:05:12.000 Early 90s. 0.97

01:05:13.000 But yeah, anytime they bring up species, like nature is so delicate, you can't fuck with it. 0.97

01:05:18.000 Well, that is all of Australia, and that is all of New Zealand. 0.98

01:05:22.000 Australia is filled with non-native animals.

01:05:25.000 Jared Diamond writes a lot about, he wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel.

01:05:29.000 Yeah.

01:05:29.000 Like he writes a lot about, Australia is like a really interesting example of a lot of...

01:05:34.000 Just, yeah, humans wrecking everything.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, as is New Zealand.

01:05:38.000 New Zealand is, God, it's such a beautiful place.

01:05:41.000 I've never been.

01:05:42.000 I've never been either.

01:05:43.000 It looks incredible.

01:05:44.000 It looks incredible.

01:05:44.000 All the surf pictures from there.

01:05:46.000 Lord of the Rings was shot there.

01:05:48.000 Yeah.

01:05:48.000 Yeah, which seems like it's perfect.

01:05:50.000 It's a very small population and fucking staggeringly beautiful landscape. 0.97

01:05:55.000 Wow. 0.99

01:05:56.000 But that's a very big spot for hunters.

01:05:59.000 They go down there and they go to hunt these animals that don't have natural predators.

01:06:06.000 This guy who serves antelope, does he go hunt in West Texas?

01:06:10.000 He goes to South Texas, I believe, is where he gets the Neil guy.

01:06:15.000 He also will buy Neil guy.

01:06:16.000 You can buy Neil guy from ranches.

01:06:18.000 There's certain ranches that commercially sell Neil guy.

01:06:20.000 But the way they do it is they you know they have these wild free-range animals and they just they don't like have them in pens and they go out and they they hunt them commercially like long-range rifles and stuff like that they shoot them and then they collect them and then they'll sell like a whole Neil guy to a restaurant and then they'll like Jesse will part it up and you know make steaks and roasts and and all these different things from it,

01:06:44.000 but His restaurant is so good.

01:06:47.000 But the point is, one of the things that he loves is wild hogs.

01:06:53.000 And he has all these different recipes for wild hogs.

01:06:57.000 He makes sausages and loins and all these different stews and all kinds of...

01:07:03.000 I don't know if he makes stews.

01:07:03.000 I might have made that up.

01:07:04.000 But he makes a bunch of different, really cool recipes with wild pigs.

01:07:08.000 Well, it's really...

01:07:09.000 I mean, it's really good, and there's...

01:07:11.000 I mean, like I say, I haven't hunted yet.

01:07:14.000 I think if I do it, I'll do it with a bow, but...

01:07:16.000 You think so?

01:07:17.000 Just, I don't know, something about a gun just, I don't know, doesn't seem as...

01:07:21.000 Sporting?

01:07:22.000 Yeah, I guess just because I love shooting the bow so much.

01:07:25.000 It's fun to shoot a bow, but...

01:07:27.000 But I guess you're more likely to not...

01:07:28.000 Miss.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, that would feel bad.

01:07:31.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 I mean, this is coming from someone who hunts with a bow almost exclusively.

01:07:37.000 But I did shoot a wild pig last year in California with a rifle.

01:07:40.000 Oh, with a rifle? 0.69

01:07:41.000 It's so much more effective.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 You just get it in your crosshair.

01:07:46.000 Boom! 0.99

01:07:46.000 Yeah, I was working on it like 20 years ago. 0.99

01:07:49.000 It was going to be like a Caddyshack type movie about hunting guides and just hunting in general.

01:07:55.000 I started watching hunting videos and it's a funny world.

01:07:58.000 It's an interesting world.

01:08:00.000 Yeah.

01:08:00.000 I mean, it's...

01:08:02.000 There's different worlds though.

01:08:03.000 Yeah, there are.

01:08:04.000 Like there's the Texas people that sit over feeders.

01:08:13.000 They call it hunting, but it's really just harvesting.

01:08:16.000 You're just shooting.

01:08:17.000 You know, you just sit in a stand and you wait and then the feeders go off and the deer gravitate towards the feeders or the hogs gravitate towards and you just blow them away.

01:08:27.000 So there's that way.

01:08:28.000 And then there's big game hunting in the West, which is like, you really have to be an athlete.

01:08:35.000 Yeah, that's when I start, like some of these, like there's a guy with a traditional bow, kills a bear, and the bear almost jumps in the blind with him.

01:08:44.000 And I'm like, okay, that's actually pretty fair.

01:08:47.000 Like, you're taking a risk there.

01:08:49.000 I mean, not completely.

01:08:50.000 A little, tiny risk.

01:08:51.000 It's like 75-25.

01:08:54.000 Yeah.

01:08:55.000 Which is about as good as it ever gets for the bear, probably.

01:08:59.000 Yeah.

01:08:59.000 You're highly favored.

01:09:00.000 I mean, most of these...

01:09:01.000 A lot of these videos are just...

01:09:03.000 The ones that, like, 20 years ago, when you'd go to, like, Texas Trophy Hunter Convention or something, these videos are, like...

01:09:10.000 They have the rhythm and production quality of porn.

01:09:13.000 They're like deer snuff films or something.

01:09:18.000 It's kind of going along with cheesy, whatever needle drop music was back then.

01:09:22.000 And then it's just like, bam!

01:09:24.000 And then everyone's all kind of excited and adrenaline out and shaking hands too many times.

01:09:31.000 But most of those that we were looking at were just kind of for the...

01:09:36.000 The comedy of how easy it is, like the timed feeder.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:41.000 Like I said, there's totally different kinds of hunting.

01:09:44.000 I remember me and my friend Duncan once, we were doing this sci-fi show.

01:09:47.000 We were searching for Bigfoot.

01:09:49.000 And we were in the Pacific Northwest, and we went to this spot that was like this weird little diner.

01:09:55.000 And we ate lunch there, and they had a television on that was showing a compilation of all the kill shots on deer.

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 So it was like an hour-long video.

01:10:09.000 Boom! 0.99

01:10:09.000 The deer getting shot in the ribcage and jumping up in the air and running to his death. 0.99

01:10:14.000 And it was like a cum shot compilation. 0.98

01:10:17.000 People are too lazy to watch the whole porn. 0.99

01:10:20.000 You just want to see people jizz. 0.98

01:10:22.000 That's what it was like.

01:10:23.000 There's something, like some of these videos, it's like there's one woman taking her kid who looks like he's 10, squirrel hunting, and...

01:10:32.000 The whole thing, like it's this happy music playing, and then he kills a squirrel.

01:10:36.000 I don't know, it looks like the Zabruder film or something.

01:10:39.000 It's really...

01:10:40.000 I mean, at the time, I wasn't used to hunting, and I was just like, oh, yuck, this is like...

01:10:46.000 But then, yeah, there's some of them that are just – there's a video for – it's an ad for something called the Barnes varmint grenade.

01:10:54.000 It's just like a bullet that just vaporizes groundhogs. 0.61

01:10:59.000 And in the Silicon Valley writers' room, I was just saying, you got to – like, I guarantee – like, there's vegans in the room.

01:11:05.000 It's like – and they were laughing.

01:11:06.000 It's like watching Monty Python. 0.98

01:11:08.000 It looks so silly. 0.97

01:11:10.000 But it is an animal getting blown away, but it's so... 0.96

01:11:14.000 You got something?

01:11:16.000 You got the Barnes.

01:11:16.000 Not this one.

01:11:17.000 No, no.

01:11:18.000 What is this one?

01:11:19.000 You got to go to the ad, because the guy's voice is like, the Barnes varmint grenade.

01:11:23.000 Let me see what it is.

01:11:24.000 What is that?

01:11:25.000 Go back up.

01:11:25.000 I can't tell which one.

01:11:26.000 Go down.

01:11:27.000 The one...

01:11:28.000 Like this?

01:11:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:31.000 Try.

01:11:31.000 Is that the one?

01:11:34.000 Barnes doesn't make only all copper bullets.

01:11:37.000 The varmint grenade is a new lead-free varmint bullet that gives explosive results.

01:11:43.000 Originally developed for military applications, the bullet has a copper-tin composite core.

01:11:48.000 This highly fragile core greatly reduces the chance of ricochets.

01:11:53.000 Jesus Christ.

01:12:02.000 Anyway.

01:12:08.000 Oh, my God.

01:12:09.000 Here's another view in slow motion.

01:12:11.000 The varmint grenade bullet comes completely apart while it's still inside the grape.

01:12:16.000 Oh, wow.

01:12:17.000 Here's what happens when a 62-grain 6mm varmint grenade strikes a cherry tomato.

01:12:22.000 That's out of sync.

01:12:23.000 That's just over an inch in diameter.

01:12:25.000 That's way out of sync.

01:12:26.000 Look again.

01:12:27.000 Here's what's left of the bullet.

01:12:35.000 The thing is...

01:12:38.000 Barns is a famous ammunition manufacturer.

01:12:52.000 They make copper bullets.

01:12:54.000 Oh, okay.

01:12:54.000 So they're a known...

01:12:56.000 This isn't like a fringe...

01:12:57.000 No, no, no, no.

01:12:58.000 They make great bullets.

01:13:00.000 And so I guess they branched out into the groundhog killing. 1.00

01:13:04.000 People hate those little fucking groundhogs and prairie dogs, rather. 0.99

01:13:10.000 Prairie dogs leave holes and a lot of horses and cows step in them and break their legs. 1.00

01:13:15.000 Yeah, people get...

01:13:16.000 Yeah, groundhogs are... 0.93

01:13:17.000 Yeah.

01:13:18.000 Especially prairie dogs.

01:13:20.000 There's a lot of videos of...

01:13:22.000 There's a video of a Brock Lesnar from the UFC shooting prairie dogs with a.50 caliber rifle.

01:13:27.000 What?

01:13:28.000 Yeah.

01:13:28.000 Which is very similar.

01:13:30.000 Those are the bullets that are like a...

01:13:31.000 Yeah.

01:13:31.000 They're like your forearm.

01:13:32.000 Half a forearm.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 It's so crazy. 0.98

01:13:36.000 And these things just fucking explode. 0.98

01:13:38.000 Someone brought one of those out to my place. 0.97

01:13:41.000 Here it is, Prairie Dog Hunting with Brock Lesnar.

01:13:43.000 Every time that thing was fired, it was so loud.

01:13:46.000 There's like a shockwave you can see in the air.

01:13:48.000 Yeah.

01:13:49.000 Well, it's an enormous round.

01:13:51.000 Oh, God!

01:13:52.000 Yeah.

01:13:53.000 That's not a.50 cal.

01:13:54.000 That's just a regular rifle.

01:13:56.000 He doesn't need a gun to kill.

01:13:58.000 He's like a...

01:13:59.000 Yeah.

01:13:59.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:14:00.000 Maybe it wasn't him with the.50 cal.

01:14:01.000 No, he's retired from fighting.

01:14:03.000 He went back to the WWE, and he does that, and I think that's all he does now.

01:14:10.000 Wow.

01:14:11.000 See if you find.50 cal.

01:14:13.000 Did you look up.50 caliber?

01:14:14.000 Oh, man.

01:14:15.000 Yeah, Brock Lesnar, Prairie Dog, and then look up.50 caliber.

01:14:19.000 I might have conflated him with someone else who was shooting Prairie Dogs of.50 caliber.

01:14:27.000 There it is, Brock Lesnar.

01:14:29.000 Okay.

01:14:31.000 Oh, interesting.

01:14:32.000 They might have taken it down.

01:14:34.000 He might have gotten too much hit.

01:14:35.000 Look at that.

01:14:36.000 Here we go.

01:14:37.000 Oh, yeah, there it is.

01:14:38.000 It's the same day, just a different gun.

01:14:40.000 Oh, God.

01:14:40.000 No, that's a very different gun, though.

01:14:43.000 That's the.50 cal.

01:14:44.000 Yeah, that's the.50 cal.

01:14:45.000 Hold on.

01:14:46.000 Scroll back up so I can see what the title says there.

01:14:49.000 Brock Lesnar murdering Prairie dogs with.50 cal or sample rifle.

01:14:52.000 Where's PETA? Oh, God. 0.99

01:14:57.000 Where is PETA? What do you want to do, PETA? You want him to die with a regular rifle better?

01:15:03.000 What's the difference?

01:15:05.000 That's the thing. 0.99

01:15:05.000 Is it ethical to shoot him with a.50 cal? 0.99

01:15:08.000 It's not unethical.

01:15:10.000 I was just at the beginning of the video.

01:15:12.000 Jesus Christ.

01:15:14.000 Oh, he's not even bracing it.

01:15:15.000 No, he's huge.

01:15:17.000 That's not a normal human, man.

01:15:18.000 That's a Viking.

01:15:19.000 That's what Vikings used to be like.

01:15:21.000 I remember, yeah, he's got to be straight, pure Viking. 0.72

01:15:26.000 Oh, 100%.

01:15:26.000 Yeah, that's like, he had probably like a Viking grandma and a Viking grandpa.

01:15:31.000 He's from the upper, like, the Vikings all kind of, I mean, the Norwegians all settled in that area, right?

01:15:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:37.000 Yeah, I mean, look, my favorite example of Vikings is Iceland.

01:15:41.000 That's like more strong men come from Iceland.

01:15:44.000 Oh, in the strong men competitions?

01:15:46.000 Oh, really?

01:15:47.000 I didn't know that.

01:15:48.000 Vice did a whole piece on it.

01:15:50.000 Isn't that where you run like a...

01:15:52.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:15:53.000 No, it's mostly like they throw barrels over the top of goal posts and they pick up cars.

01:15:59.000 I'm thinking Iron Man or something.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, you're thinking of Iron Man.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, the strong man is the...

01:16:04.000 Yeah.

01:16:05.000 But they're just giants.

01:16:07.000 It's like that guy Thor from the Game of Thrones, the guy who was the mountain.

01:16:10.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:16:11.000 Perfect example.

01:16:12.000 Preposterously huge men. 1.00

01:16:14.000 And if you were alive 2,000 years ago and those guys showed up on your shore with animal skins over their dick holding a sword, it was over. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Yeah, they went up the rivers and just raped. 0.99

01:16:26.000 Your village was over. 0.99

01:16:27.000 Raped everybody. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Yeah, raped and murdered everybody. 0.99

01:16:29.000 Just a bunch of Brock Lesnar's coming. 0.98

01:16:30.000 Yeah, that's literally what it was.

01:16:33.000 Which is really crazy to imagine that we've come so far that now...

01:16:37.000 Now the result is this guy's out there shooting prairie dogs.

01:16:44.000 It's like, placate him.

01:16:46.000 Do whatever you can to keep him calm. 0.92

01:16:48.000 Give him a gun. 1.00

01:16:49.000 Let him shoot the prairie dog. 0.99

01:16:50.000 Yeah, there's a former Marine country singer here. 0.96

01:16:55.000 He's like a gun expert.

01:16:58.000 But he brought one of those out.

01:16:59.000 Me and my friend just started laughing every time someone fired.

01:17:04.000 It was so absurdly loud.

01:17:06.000 You can feel this wave go across your face.

01:17:09.000 And I guess those bullets go like two miles or something.

01:17:13.000 Didn't somebody in Afghanistan or somebody...

01:17:17.000 Is that a world record with a.50 caliber?

01:17:20.000 Was it a.50 cal?

01:17:21.000 Maybe it wasn't.

01:17:22.000 I know there's one video, find this video, where a guy shoots a deer with a.50 caliber and misses the deer but still kills it.

01:17:33.000 He kills it because the bullet passes right by the deer's head and the force of the bullet passing by the deer's head sucks its eyes out of its head and just immediately pulverizes his brain. 0.95

01:17:48.000 Okay, I don't feel like such a wuss then for being like... 0.99

01:17:51.000 No, it's crazy.

01:17:52.000 The shockwave that that thing...

01:17:53.000 And this is with, like, noise-canceling headphones and earplugs in.

01:17:57.000 It's just like...

01:17:58.000 No, it's a preposterously loud round.

01:18:01.000 Also, like, yeah, and it looks like an Estes rocket or whatever.

01:18:05.000 Yeah, it's a big round.

01:18:06.000 It looks like, yeah, like a Red Bull can.

01:18:10.000 Yeah.

01:18:10.000 So this is, yeah, that's how big it is.

01:18:12.000 Look at the size of that.

01:18:13.000 So see if you can find the deer.

01:18:17.000 The guy kills, that's it.

01:18:19.000 That's definitely it.

01:18:19.000 So he shoots, and the deer goes down, but then when he gets there, so he's sighting in on this deer, and watch this.

01:18:27.000 Oh no.

01:18:28.000 Watch this. 0.56

01:18:30.000 He shoots it. 0.88

01:18:33.000 The round goes off. 0.69

01:18:37.000 And the deer goes down, right?

01:18:39.000 So you think he shot the deer, right?

01:18:42.000 So they go over, and there's no wound on the deer.

01:18:46.000 Wow.

01:18:47.000 It didn't hit it at all.

01:18:48.000 Oh, God.

01:18:49.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:18:50.000 Oh, that's kind of hideous. 0.79

01:18:51.000 Like, it sucked his eyes out of his head and his mouth.

01:18:55.000 Like, the deer's instantaneously dead, but with no impact.

01:19:00.000 I guess that wouldn't be a horrible way to go.

01:19:02.000 Watch this, though, when they show it.

01:19:03.000 See, it just passes by his head.

01:19:07.000 Oh man.

01:19:08.000 Watch this in slow motion.

01:19:10.000 It doesn't hit him.

01:19:13.000 Oh my god, I wonder what the range of just sucking eyeballs out is.

01:19:17.000 That's so awful.

01:19:18.000 I mean, it looks like he misses it by like an inch.

01:19:20.000 I mean, if you watch the vapor trail, I mean, it's just passing right by his head, or her head.

01:19:25.000 And then the deer's like, that's a wrap.

01:19:28.000 Wow.

01:19:29.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:19:29.000 Just the force of it passing through the air.

01:19:33.000 I didn't grow up hunting.

01:19:35.000 I mean, even like my family on my dad's side did, but I didn't...

01:19:40.000 So it all just seems like...

01:19:43.000 Hideous to me, but then, I mean, you know, it's depending on, I mean, there's, well, like New Zealand, you know, it's like...

01:19:52.000 They have to do it.

01:19:53.000 It is our, yeah.

01:19:54.000 Yeah, and that's the thing about the wild pigs here. 0.99

01:19:56.000 I mean, Native Americans, like, that was their...

01:19:58.000 Yeah, and the wild pigs are really, actually, really bad for the environment.

01:20:04.000 Are you still connected on here?

01:20:06.000 We've got, like, a weird feedback.

01:20:08.000 You hear that?

01:20:14.000 You don't hear that?

01:20:15.000 I hear a very low, low hum, but I mean, it's super quiet.

01:20:19.000 I should probably go around 3 just to catch my flight.

01:20:23.000 But anyway.

01:20:24.000 Where are you headed to?

01:20:26.000 I'm going to go back to LA. I'm in LA for the summer.

01:20:29.000 Oh yeah?

01:20:29.000 Too hot here?

01:20:30.000 Too hot.

01:20:32.000 Texas people like to do that. 1.00

01:20:33.000 They bail.

01:20:34.000 They either go to Colorado.

01:20:35.000 A lot of folks here go to Aspen.

01:20:37.000 Yeah, everyone goes to Colorado and they go to New Mexico too.

01:20:40.000 I grew up in Albuquerque and my dad was always griping about Texans coming in.

01:20:45.000 How long have you been here?

01:20:47.000 Well, in Texas since, wow, 88. But Austin, 94?

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 Yeah, moved.

01:20:56.000 I was in New York for Beavis and Butthead for like a year and a half, I guess.

01:21:00.000 I remember I came out here once for a UFC and you were backstage and I was surprised.

01:21:04.000 I was like, what?

01:21:05.000 This guy likes the UFC? It's weird.

01:21:08.000 I'm not even a big sports fanatic, but for some reason I got really addicted to UFC. Yeah.

01:21:15.000 You're missing it.

01:21:16.000 It's here this weekend.

01:21:17.000 That's what I heard, yeah.

01:21:18.000 Yeah, it's a good one.

01:21:18.000 It's a big one.

01:21:19.000 Saturday night.

01:21:19.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 My friend was asking if I was going, and I got to get back, but...

01:21:24.000 Wait, who is it again?

01:21:26.000 Well, the main event...

01:21:27.000 Are you doing it?

01:21:28.000 No, I'm going to watch.

01:21:29.000 I haven't been in the audience of a UFC in 20 years.

01:21:34.000 Oh, really?

01:21:34.000 Yeah, I get to just sit.

01:21:35.000 You're only there when you're...

01:21:36.000 I'm only going to watch, which is great.

01:21:38.000 I'm not working.

01:21:39.000 I'm excited.

01:21:40.000 Wow.

01:21:42.000 And so the main event is Calvin Cater versus Josh Emmett, which is two, they're two featherweight contenders.

01:21:49.000 But there's Cowboy Cerrone is on the undercard, fighting Joe Lozon, just a bunch of very good fights.

01:21:54.000 What is it?

01:21:55.000 Very exciting fights.

01:21:56.000 Cowboy Cerrone's from Texas, isn't he, or no?

01:21:58.000 No, he's from Colorado.

01:21:59.000 Yeah, Colorado, that's right.

01:22:00.000 Yeah, so here, Tim Means versus Kevin Holland, that's a great fight. 0.99

01:22:04.000 Joaquin Buckley versus, I don't know, Albert Duryev, but Joaquin Buckley is a fucking assassin. 0.87

01:22:12.000 There's great fights, really great fights. 0.99

01:22:14.000 Oh, wow.

01:22:15.000 Interesting, that guy Duryev is the favorite.

01:22:18.000 Ooh, interesting.

01:22:19.000 Interesting.

01:22:20.000 Wait, he fought someone.

01:22:22.000 Didn't he beat somebody big?

01:22:23.000 Oh, Buckley?

01:22:24.000 No.

01:22:26.000 I don't know.

01:22:26.000 Let me see what his record is.

01:22:29.000 I kind of stopped watching for a little while and started getting back into it.

01:22:35.000 But I used to be addicted to it.

01:22:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:43.000 Mmm.

01:22:44.000 You were addicted to it.

01:22:46.000 Yeah, when I saw it when you were there, that was like 2011 or something in Austin.

01:22:52.000 Oh, he fought Anthony.

01:22:53.000 Oh, he's going to fight Anthony Hernandez.

01:22:55.000 That got canceled.

01:22:56.000 Now he's fighting Buckley.

01:22:56.000 So this is only his second fight in the UFC, and his favorite over Buckley, which is wild.

01:23:00.000 He must be talented.

01:23:02.000 I did not see his first fight, though.

01:23:04.000 Lausanne's been at it forever.

01:23:06.000 Forever.

01:23:06.000 This is kind of a retirement fight for both guys.

01:23:09.000 I mean, Donald Cerrone is in a new movie right now with Gina Carano, actually a Western, that's coming out soon.

01:23:17.000 Oh, he acts?

01:23:17.000 He's been...

01:23:18.000 Yeah, he's starting to act.

01:23:19.000 That's what he's going to transition to, I believe, out of fighting.

01:23:23.000 He's going to transition to acting.

01:23:24.000 He's perfect for that.

01:23:25.000 He's such a character.

01:23:27.000 A bunch of MMA people have gotten into acting.

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:32.000 When you're casting films, that's got to be one of the weirdest parts of making a movie.

01:23:37.000 You have this idea, you write it out, and then you meet a bunch of people, and you've got to get them to try to become this thing that you've created on paper.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, it's my...

01:23:46.000 I mean, I actually am proud of who I've cast.

01:23:51.000 I think I'm pretty good at...

01:23:53.000 But it's my least favorite part of the process.

01:23:55.000 The audition part of it, like...

01:23:58.000 I mean, it's like going on some weird, horribly awkward date every five minutes for however many hours you're doing it because every person comes in and they're looking for any sign on your face of how they did.

01:24:12.000 A lot of times they're really great and you want to tell them they're great, but they may not just be the type for the part and you want to say that, but all they want to hear is that they got the part.

01:24:22.000 There's nothing you can say.

01:24:25.000 So you just kind of go, okay, thank you.

01:24:28.000 You know, you want to give the part to everybody, but you can only pick one.

01:24:33.000 It's just, it's such a, yeah, and also when you're, yeah, if you wrote everything and you're hearing it done horribly, sometimes that makes you, shakes your confidence in the material and I mean, usually though, like my first experience with it was...

01:24:50.000 I mean, doing animation, I was doing a lot of the voices myself for most of them.

01:24:54.000 But like with Office Space, when I did start having good people read for it, it makes the writing seem better.

01:25:04.000 Like actors can make the writings, make the dialogue seem better than it is sometimes, I think.

01:25:08.000 Like I remember thinking...

01:25:12.000 I mean, sometimes it doesn't work at all and it makes you think it's horrible, but I remember thinking, wow, I'm a pretty good writer.

01:25:20.000 But a lot of it's just because the actors are just making it seem so real.

01:25:25.000 Terry Crews was the perfect president for that movie.

01:25:29.000 Did you have him in mind?

01:25:30.000 Who did you have in mind when you wrote it?

01:25:32.000 No, I mean, I think maybe it's okay to say now.

01:25:35.000 I was sort of thinking Benicio Del Toro, actually.

01:25:38.000 Oh, he would have been great, too.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, and he turned it down, I think.

01:25:42.000 But I don't even know if it got that far.

01:25:45.000 When Terry auditioned, he just stole the part.

01:25:48.000 I was showing it to people.

01:25:51.000 It's one of those things where when something's that good, you just keep watching it, you know?

01:25:54.000 And I just kept watching it.

01:25:57.000 He's a rare, funny guy who's also jacked.

01:26:01.000 Yeah, I was just saying that.

01:26:05.000 Not many people can pull that off.

01:26:08.000 Very few.

01:26:09.000 He kind of has to be jacked.

01:26:10.000 He might be the only one.

01:26:12.000 He might be the only guy that's built like that, that is really funny.

01:26:17.000 There's something where it all works with his face.

01:26:20.000 And when he was doing that, I kept going like, wait, this is amazing.

01:26:25.000 He's the president and he's that jacked and he's making these puzzled faces.

01:26:31.000 He's got so much charisma. 0.99

01:26:32.000 And he was a porn star and a WWE champion. 0.69

01:26:37.000 Was the character a W? I mean, how many people are funny and they're built like that?

01:26:45.000 It was like fucking nobody. 0.98

01:26:47.000 I know, it's really rare. 0.99

01:26:48.000 So rare.

01:26:48.000 And you buy into it, like it makes you laugh.

01:26:52.000 And when you wrote it, did you write as a WWE Champion?

01:26:56.000 Was that already in there before Terry was there?

01:26:58.000 That was in there, yeah.

01:27:00.000 That was in there, and...

01:27:04.000 So, I guess, like, I actually auditioned, not for that part, for some of the other ones, a lot of WWE people, and something, a lot of them are decent actors, but there's something just that wasn't funny in the right way.

01:27:18.000 But they didn't read for that, but we had...

01:27:23.000 Yeah, we had, at one point, Tank Abbott read for, not for that part, but for, I think, the doctor in the hospital.

01:27:33.000 And he was actually pretty good.

01:27:35.000 He was pretty funny, actually.

01:27:37.000 Smart dude!

01:27:37.000 Yeah, like, he's...

01:27:39.000 He's a surprisingly smart guy who just likes to beat the shit out of people. 0.96

01:27:43.000 Yeah, he seemed smart. 0.96

01:27:44.000 He seemed like a funny...

01:27:45.000 I mean, I've heard he's scary or something, but I thought he was really funny.

01:27:49.000 Oh, he's a very nice guy.

01:27:50.000 Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy.

01:27:52.000 I've gotten hammered with him before.

01:27:53.000 He actually just came upon hard times, I believe.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, he had a liver transplant.

01:27:58.000 He had liver cancer.

01:27:59.000 He had a transplant?

01:27:59.000 Is that what it was?

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 He had a liver donor, yeah.

01:28:01.000 He had some...

01:28:03.000 Which is not surprising if you know how hard that guy partied.

01:28:06.000 Well, I came close to casting him.

01:28:10.000 He'd read for a couple different things.

01:28:13.000 But he was a really, really nice guy.

01:28:15.000 But he'd say like, okay, you guys can call me.

01:28:17.000 I might be drunk.

01:28:19.000 He kept saying I might be drunk.

01:28:21.000 But he showed me it.

01:28:23.000 I guess all the fights, he would do these pit fights on the beach for the Hells Angels or something, and he just takes these teeth out and goes, yeah, see, I just finally got these so I can just take them out.

01:28:35.000 Because, I don't know, teeth kept getting knocked out or something.

01:28:38.000 But, yeah, what a legend.

01:28:42.000 Yeah, he was a real character in the early days of fighting.

01:28:46.000 And he was the first guy that I ever saw that figured out to put on gloves.

01:28:51.000 Oh, that was...

01:28:52.000 You didn't have to wear gloves back then.

01:28:53.000 When he first started fighting, gloves were optional and he did it to protect his hands.

01:28:58.000 Very smart.

01:28:59.000 Did he invent those kind?

01:29:01.000 Not full boxing gloves, but like the MMA gloves?

01:29:03.000 No, he definitely didn't invent them.

01:29:05.000 They were round.

01:29:05.000 I think Century might have had them as bag gloves at one point in time.

01:29:11.000 And he started wearing them.

01:29:12.000 It was him and Vitor Belfort.

01:29:14.000 Those were the two guys, the first guys that I ever saw wear those gloves.

01:29:18.000 But I think Tank was first.

01:29:20.000 And then they wound up being a thing where people would wear them.

01:29:23.000 And then it became standard.

01:29:25.000 Yeah, those old ones were great.

01:29:28.000 You know, John Crisfalusi, the Ren and Stimpy guy, was way into that.

01:29:32.000 And he claims to have given Spike TV the idea for the UFC reality show because he was saying, yeah, you guys got to follow Tank Abbott around when he's installing air conditioners.

01:29:43.000 You get to see what he's like during the day, you know.

01:29:45.000 He installed air conditioners?

01:29:47.000 I think that's what John said.

01:29:49.000 Really?

01:29:49.000 He was doing back then, yeah.

01:29:50.000 He had a regular, some kind of...

01:29:53.000 9 to 5. I didn't know that.

01:29:56.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 That's what John Criswell said.

01:29:58.000 Yeah, I don't know if he came up with the idea.

01:30:01.000 But that kind of really boosted the UFC. Oh, that was it.

01:30:06.000 Yeah, that was 2005. Yeah.

01:30:08.000 That was right around the time Idiocracy came out.

01:30:11.000 Yeah, I was in the editing stages of it when I started watching that actually.

01:30:17.000 It got me hooked.

01:30:19.000 Yeah, it got everybody hooked.

01:30:20.000 The finals with Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin was this insane fight that, during the fight, the amount of people increased substantially.

01:30:31.000 That's what I've heard, yeah.

01:30:31.000 Which is like people were calling people up and going, oh my god, you've got to watch Spike TV. Yeah, I was watching it.

01:30:35.000 This fight is insane.

01:30:36.000 Yeah, it was live on Spike.

01:30:38.000 It wasn't a pay-per-view, right?

01:30:39.000 Yeah, yeah, it was live on Spike.

01:30:40.000 It wasn't a pay-per-view.

01:30:41.000 There's no, I mean, nobody was really watching the UFC. I mean, there was pay-per-views that were still on.

01:30:48.000 I think back then we were just on DirecTV.

01:30:51.000 I don't know if we had gotten back on cable yet, but it just wasn't that popular.

01:30:55.000 Were you commentating at that point?

01:30:57.000 I started commentating a couple years before that.

01:31:00.000 I was commentating in 2002. That's when I started.

01:31:03.000 Oh, wow.

01:31:03.000 Well, I actually started in 97. I was the post-fight interviewer.

01:31:08.000 Oh, really?

01:31:09.000 Yeah, I did that for a couple years.

01:31:10.000 Way back then.

01:31:11.000 That was in, like, UFC 12 was the first one that I did.

01:31:15.000 It was in Dothan, Alabama.

01:31:17.000 We had a fly-in and a puddle jumper play.

01:31:19.000 Oh, I've seen that one, I think.

01:31:21.000 And that was Vitor Belfort made his debut, and he knocked out Trey Tellegman and Scott Ferrozo to win the tournament.

01:31:31.000 It was the early, early, early days.

01:31:33.000 You could wear shoes back then.

01:31:34.000 It was a completely different sport.

01:31:37.000 Oh, right.

01:31:37.000 You look at those old ones.

01:31:38.000 They're wearing shoes.

01:31:39.000 Yeah.

01:31:40.000 You could still pull clothes.

01:31:41.000 People are pulling ponytails.

01:31:43.000 Uh-huh. 0.96

01:31:43.000 You used to be able to punch people in the nuts. 0.96

01:31:45.000 There was a lot of crazy shit that you could get away with back then. 1.00

01:31:49.000 But it was a different world. 0.99

01:31:51.000 And I did it for a little while, but I thought it was like a novelty.

01:31:53.000 And it was something that I... As a martial artist, the question was always, like, what would happen if a judo guy fought a karate guy?

01:32:01.000 So the UFC came along and they said, let's see.

01:32:04.000 And so for me, it was exciting just to be there and watch, and I was always a fan of it and a lot of the Japanese organizations.

01:32:11.000 And then it was just, I was losing money doing it, and so I quit.

01:32:15.000 And so then I got on Fear Factor, and I would go to, once the UFC was purchased by Zufa, the Fertitta brothers and Dana White, I would go to watch the fights in Vegas.

01:32:25.000 And I became friends with those guys, and they would get me ringside tickets, and I would say, hey, why don't you, do you know about this guy who's fighting in Japan?

01:32:31.000 Do you know about this guy from Russia?

01:32:33.000 And they would go...

01:32:34.000 Hey, you want to do commentary?

01:32:35.000 I was like, no, I don't want to do commentary.

01:32:37.000 I just want to watch fights.

01:32:39.000 Yeah, you're the voice of it now, though.

01:32:41.000 It's crazy.

01:32:42.000 It's all because of Dana.

01:32:43.000 Dana talked me into it 20 years ago.

01:32:45.000 Wow.

01:32:47.000 And that's the story.

01:32:49.000 Alright, so Beavis and Butthead, it's out when?

01:32:52.000 What is the date it's out?

01:32:54.000 Let me get this right.

01:32:55.000 June 23rd.

01:32:56.000 June 23rd.

01:32:57.000 Okay, so we'll release this.

01:32:58.000 Paramount Plus.

01:32:58.000 We'll release this the day comes out so that it juices it out.

01:33:02.000 Look at that.

01:33:03.000 Beavis and Butthead, do the universe. 0.97

01:33:06.000 I am fucking very excited. 0.97

01:33:07.000 Very excited to see this. 0.99

01:33:09.000 Streaming June 23rd and it is on.

01:33:12.000 What's it on?

01:33:13.000 Paramount Plus.

01:33:15.000 And then that's where Yellowstone is.

01:33:18.000 Okay, cool.

01:33:19.000 And then the new episodes come right after that.

01:33:22.000 There's episodes where they're old.

01:33:23.000 Yeah, if you click on that one, we're doing a little spinoff where they're middle-aged.

01:33:29.000 How many episodes do you guys do?

01:33:31.000 There's going to be 24, but there's two in each half hour like it used to be.

01:33:35.000 Oh, nice.

01:33:36.000 They're going to be watching TikTok videos and music videos.

01:33:40.000 And when is that going to come out?

01:33:41.000 When is the series due?

01:33:43.000 August.

01:33:43.000 I think first week of August.

01:33:44.000 Fantastic.

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:46.000 Mike, thank you very much for coming in here, man.

01:33:47.000 I'm a giant fan of everything you've done.

01:33:49.000 Thank you.

01:33:50.000 You're awesome.

01:33:50.000 Thanks for having me.

01:33:51.000 My pleasure.

01:33:52.000 Anytime.

01:33:53.000 Alrighty.

01:33:53.000 Alright.

01:33:53.000 Bye, everybody.

01:33:54.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 22, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1835 - Mike Judge

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