The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1845 - Zachary Levi

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00:00:12.000 How are you acclimatizing to Austin?

00:00:14.000 I love it.

00:00:15.000 It's great, isn't it?

00:00:15.000 Yeah, I've been here now, like, we're going?

00:00:18.000 Yeah, so I've been here now for two years and just totally feels like home.

00:00:21.000 I love it.

00:00:22.000 It's such a great town.

00:00:23.000 It's the best.

00:00:23.000 The people are so nice.

00:00:25.000 Yeah.

00:00:25.000 It's such a great place to live.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, and it's, one of the things I love about it is how well nature is protected here, like Barton Springs, for example, or even like I can't think of another major city I've been to anyone in the world that has a river that goes through the middle of the city that anyone is playing on.

00:00:41.000 Austin is the only place I've ever been to where there's a river in the middle of the city and there's people kayaking and paddleboarding and doing all of the things.

00:00:48.000 You're like, that's what we should be doing in all of our rivers.

00:00:50.000 And it's clean!

00:00:51.000 It's so clean!

00:00:52.000 Yeah, that's what's crazy.

00:00:53.000 You know, one of the comedy clubs that I was going to buy, there was a problem with it, and the problem was there was a parking lot.

00:01:00.000 Yeah.

00:01:02.000 Yeah.

00:01:20.000 Big bio-containment pond.

00:01:22.000 Oh.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, it's a really wild thing. 0.99

00:01:24.000 They had to literally build a pond, and then they had to surround the pond with very specific plants that filter out shit and suck everything up. 0.99

00:01:33.000 I was like, I'm out! 0.99

00:01:35.000 That's more than I want, thanks.

00:01:37.000 But it wasn't even that. 0.94

00:01:38.000 It was just like, I could see the headlines, Joe Rogan kills fish with his shitty comedy club. 0.99

00:01:43.000 Ha ha ha! 0.99

00:01:44.000 I was like, no.

00:01:45.000 With the comedy club.

00:01:46.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 That was the tool.

00:01:47.000 I am not doing anything that is ever going to be an environmental concern.

00:01:52.000 I'm not...

00:01:52.000 If it's up for...

00:01:53.000 I'm fucking... 1.00

00:01:54.000 I'm out. 0.99

00:01:54.000 No. 0.99

00:01:54.000 I'm out. 0.99

00:01:55.000 Well, to the extent that we should never be doing anything that's fucking up the planet, it would be great if we could all agree on that.

00:02:02.000 That would be great.

00:02:02.000 Good idea.

00:02:03.000 It's like this agreement to fuck up the planet a little bit so you can get more gas mileage.

00:02:07.000 Or agreement to fuck up the planet a little bit so it's easier for you to do X, Y, or Z. Certainly.

00:02:13.000 But also, I think...

00:02:14.000 Well, it's just industry run rampant, man.

00:02:17.000 I mean, you know, that's what most of it is anyway.

00:02:19.000 It's greed on a really high level that we all kind of just accept because it's like, well, that's capitalism, I guess, or whatever.

00:02:25.000 We all agree that companies should try to make the most amount of money every year, always.

00:02:31.000 Like, you're always supposed to make more money.

00:02:33.000 But I feel like we do, which is, I don't think that's such a bad thing to the extent that it should never be at the expense of life.

00:02:42.000 Of human life and plant life and animal life.

00:02:44.000 To the extent that industry is milking every single dollar out of everything.

00:02:50.000 So what?

00:02:51.000 So their bottom line is better?

00:02:52.000 So their shareholders are happier?

00:02:54.000 So their CEO makes a better salary that year?

00:02:57.000 It's all just high-level greed.

00:02:58.000 And they could still all make so much money and not kill everything.

00:03:02.000 That's what's really crazy.

00:03:04.000 It's like everybody always wants to do better.

00:03:07.000 Like no one wants to maintain.

00:03:09.000 No one wants to say, hey, you know, this company makes $100 million a year.

00:03:12.000 This is great.

00:03:13.000 Yeah, we're good.

00:03:14.000 Everybody high five.

00:03:14.000 Let's keep the ball rolling.

00:03:16.000 We all get vacation time and we all live a wonderful life.

00:03:19.000 No.

00:03:20.000 But no, you gotta have more, man.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, and you gotta put in overtime.

00:03:22.000 We gotta increase our bottom line. 0.97

00:03:24.000 We gotta fucking, why aren't these things moving off the shelves? 0.99

00:03:27.000 Have you seen Succession? 0.99

00:03:28.000 Yes.

00:03:29.000 Love it.

00:03:30.000 Oh, it's so good.

00:03:31.000 Love it.

00:03:31.000 It's so good, but it's also so terrifying because you're watching it being like, yeah, that's going on right now.

00:03:37.000 Oh, for sure.

00:03:37.000 That's so representative of multiple different, you know.

00:03:40.000 Dude, I know people like that.

00:03:42.000 Such a bummer.

00:03:43.000 Such a bummer.

00:03:44.000 Physically know people like that who got all their money from their parents and they're just batshit crazy and doing blow and wearing $50,000 watches and just...

00:03:53.000 And just going for more and more and more and more and more at the expense of everyone and everything else.

00:03:58.000 Never ends.

00:03:59.000 And it's always you have to have the newest, latest, greatest thing.

00:04:02.000 You know, you have to have the 2023 Mercedes right when it comes out.

00:04:07.000 Like everybody's balling in this weird like performative way.

00:04:12.000 Well, and we all celebrate it, which is the saddest thing, honestly.

00:04:14.000 I mean, look at Instagram, all of it.

00:04:17.000 I mean, if you drive a Lambo, how many likes do you...

00:04:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:21.000 And we all also...

00:04:23.000 I mean, nothing against people who own Lamborghinis, but...

00:04:27.000 We all kind of sense that that's flashy anyway.

00:04:31.000 Why are we so caught up in that?

00:04:32.000 And yet it still is getting all the likes and getting all the shares.

00:04:35.000 And people still, particularly young people, are still gunning for that, aiming for that.

00:04:40.000 Like, I want to be that cool.

00:04:41.000 It's like, no, you don't.

00:04:42.000 That's not the kind of life that you...

00:04:44.000 Want to be living or aspiring to.

00:04:46.000 It's not real.

00:04:47.000 They're not even living that life.

00:04:49.000 If you're posing in front of a Lamborghini, just by virtue of the fact that you're posing, you're not really living your life.

00:04:56.000 Posing.

00:04:56.000 This is fake.

00:04:57.000 Lots and lots of poses.

00:04:58.000 You're standing there in a fancy pose to show how badass you are.

00:05:03.000 Look at my Lambo, man.

00:05:05.000 And perhaps you have a bandana and no shirt on.

00:05:08.000 Maybe you're really wild.

00:05:10.000 Maybe you're like that rich, eccentric guy with flip-flops. 0.55

00:05:14.000 That's a weird one.

00:05:16.000 The flip-flop guy. 1.00

00:05:17.000 I don't even give a fuck, bro. 0.99

00:05:18.000 I'm out here on flip-flops, my Lamborghini. 0.99

00:05:20.000 I mean, I am a flip-flop fan, so...

00:05:22.000 Nothing wrong with flip-flops, but flip-flops and Lamborghini.

00:05:24.000 But I like my Crocs even more.

00:05:25.000 I wore my Crocs specifically today.

00:05:29.000 Because you and my judge were hating on them.

00:05:32.000 I'm like, bro, these are, by the way, Texas flag croc.

00:05:34.000 That looks like somebody did that, though.

00:05:36.000 Like an artist did it.

00:05:38.000 I mean, I picked them up at Walmart.

00:05:41.000 I don't know where I picked them up.

00:05:42.000 But Academy, that's where I think I grabbed them. 0.98

00:05:44.000 I was hoping there was like some sort of a flea market or some shit. 0.97

00:05:49.000 Oh, that would have been fun, too. 0.94

00:05:50.000 Like they were somebody else's crocs before.

00:05:52.000 Oh, even better.

00:05:53.000 Even grosser.

00:05:54.000 One grosser way to make crocs. 1.00

00:05:56.000 But dude, crocs are awesome, though.

00:05:57.000 For real.

00:05:58.000 For real.

00:05:58.000 I believe you.

00:05:59.000 They're very comfortable.

00:06:00.000 Amphibious.

00:06:00.000 You're talking to a guy who wears a fanny pack.

00:06:02.000 I am on no moral high ground.

00:06:05.000 No moral fashion high ground. 0.99

00:06:06.000 I have fucking no fashion sense. 0.99

00:06:07.000 Fanny packs are back though, bro. 0.99

00:06:09.000 Fanny packs are back.

00:06:10.000 I never let them go.

00:06:11.000 No.

00:06:11.000 I kept them through the 90s.

00:06:13.000 I really did.

00:06:14.000 I kept wearing fanny packs.

00:06:15.000 They're very handy.

00:06:15.000 They're handy.

00:06:16.000 I'm never going to stop.

00:06:17.000 And guys, we don't have purses. 0.99

00:06:18.000 That's the closest thing we have to a damn purse. 1.00

00:06:20.000 A lot of folks are sporting that shoulder thing now. 0.99

00:06:22.000 Yeah, they get the lacrosse thing.

00:06:23.000 The lacrosse thing's all right.

00:06:25.000 It's acceptable.

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:26.000 I'm amenable to a purse.

00:06:27.000 If a man wants to wear a purse, zero problem with that.

00:06:31.000 I mean, maybe dudes start getting dope purses, because girls have been dominating the purse game. 1.00

00:06:35.000 No, but they kind of do.

00:06:36.000 I mean, I've seen some dudes with some, again, Gucci or Fendi things that they're wearing around their belt that are basically like a little purse, essentially.

00:06:42.000 When I was a boy, you would get punched in the face for that.

00:06:46.000 I mean, yeah, probably.

00:06:47.000 Man wants to walk around with a purse, you gotta get a knuckle sandwich from a stranger.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:51.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:06:52.000 I think my sisters dress me up in some of their shit, you know, occasionally, so. 0.97

00:06:56.000 Do you think it's just guys ran out of ways to bling, so they had to, like, add purses to them? 0.99

00:07:01.000 I mean, here's the thing.

00:07:02.000 For me, maybe it's a bling thing.

00:07:03.000 For me, it's the...

00:07:04.000 Convenience.

00:07:05.000 It's the utility of it.

00:07:08.000 Like, as a guy, again, we don't have a purse. 0.99

00:07:11.000 So I'm always wearing some cargo shit. 0.97

00:07:14.000 I'm wearing a jacket that's got extra pockets because that's where I got it. 0.99

00:07:17.000 Especially back in the day when I was a smoker, I'd have my cigarettes and my lighter and my gum and all this.

00:07:23.000 I needed all those places.

00:07:25.000 I don't have this thing to go rummage around in and go find it off.

00:07:27.000 What if you need a snack?

00:07:29.000 And what if you need a snack? 1.00

00:07:30.000 I can't have a fucking protein bar in my bag. 1.00

00:07:32.000 No! 1.00

00:07:33.000 I can't keep a protein bar in my pocket.

00:07:34.000 That's gross.

00:07:35.000 And which pocket?

00:07:36.000 That's gonna get real mangled real fast.

00:07:39.000 It's gonna be all gooey and all the chocolate on the outside is gonna be melted off.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, you don't want that. 1.00

00:07:43.000 Fuck all that. 1.00

00:07:44.000 You don't want that protein bar. 1.00

00:07:45.000 Yeah, the purse thing's an interesting thing and you could also do a satchel to show they're interesting.

00:07:51.000 Like you're an intelligent, interesting person.

00:07:53.000 You have a nice worn Indiana Jones type satchel.

00:07:57.000 Sexy intelligent satchels.

00:07:59.000 Right?

00:07:59.000 Exactly, yes.

00:08:00.000 That's a look.

00:08:01.000 Like a guy with a satchel probably reads a lot.

00:08:04.000 Absolutely.

00:08:05.000 Why else have a satchel if you don't have a lot of books in there?

00:08:07.000 He's got books in there.

00:08:08.000 He's got a lot of books.

00:08:09.000 He's a journal.

00:08:10.000 He's going to write about meeting you.

00:08:11.000 I played this character, Flynn Rider, in this Disney movie, Tangled, and I had a satchel.

00:08:16.000 And he's a very charming, intelligent man.

00:08:19.000 You were the voice of Flynn Rider!

00:08:20.000 That's right!

00:08:20.000 Yeah, bro!

00:08:21.000 Dude, I watched that movie at least 80 times.

00:08:24.000 I'm not...

00:08:25.000 Well, you got girls. 0.99

00:08:26.000 Young girls.

00:08:26.000 Yeah, man.

00:08:27.000 They were of the perfect age.

00:08:28.000 Yeah.

00:08:29.000 So I watched that movie forever.

00:08:30.000 I didn't know that was you.

00:08:32.000 Yeah, man.

00:08:32.000 That's hilarious.

00:08:33.000 It's a treat.

00:08:34.000 It's one of the coolest things I've ever done.

00:08:35.000 Dude, I loved you in Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

00:08:36.000 You were great in that.

00:08:37.000 Thanks, man!

00:08:38.000 That's a fun, fun show.

00:08:40.000 Dude, that show is...

00:08:40.000 It's a really fun show.

00:08:41.000 It's so well done.

00:08:43.000 Amy Sherman Palladino and her husband Dan, they are, and really everybody involved in that show, but they are, I think they're geniuses.

00:08:51.000 I think that the way they write, direct, produce so much of that, the two of them, plus lots of other talented people, obviously, that come in and direct and produce and write and all of the incredible actors.

00:09:01.000 But it's one of those things where...

00:09:03.000 It's just delightful.

00:09:04.000 You watch the show and you're just delighted from the beginning to the end. 0.91

00:09:07.000 And Rachel and Tony, the whole cast are just so charming and the writing is so smart and it moves and it's funny and you're like, fuck yeah, I'm going to watch this all the time.

00:09:16.000 It's a really good show.

00:09:17.000 And the way she gets into stand-up, like as a stand-up, is the least offensive I've ever seen.

00:09:23.000 Yeah!

00:09:24.000 Of any of those things.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:26.000 Because let me tell you something. 1.00

00:09:27.000 That shit is possible for a woman to be that funny, just a housewife. 1.00

00:09:32.000 There's people out there that are like that. 1.00

00:09:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:34.000 People are like, oh, that's unrealistic that she would kill.

00:09:36.000 That is not unrealistic.

00:09:37.000 No.

00:09:38.000 There was a girl at the Vulcan in Austin, and she was in the crowd, and I was doing like a Q&A thing at the end of my set.

00:09:46.000 Yeah.

00:09:47.000 And she asked something about, how do you get into stand-up?

00:09:52.000 And I go, are you thinking about doing stand-up?

00:09:55.000 I'm like, you should do it. 0.99

00:09:55.000 She goes, I'm funny as fuck. 0.99

00:09:57.000 I go, come up here right now. 0.99

00:09:58.000 I go, come up here right now.

00:09:59.000 And she got on stage and she was a little drunk.

00:10:02.000 And it wasn't the worst, but it was funny that she did it.

00:10:06.000 So then, a week, two weeks later, maybe it was longer than that.

00:10:10.000 Maybe it was like a month later.

00:10:13.000 I'm on stage, and I see her again.

00:10:17.000 And I don't remember how it came up, and I said, do you want to come up here and do stand-up?

00:10:22.000 And she said yes.

00:10:23.000 And she went up again, and she had prepared, and she had notes. 1.00

00:10:26.000 And she fucking killed. 1.00

00:10:28.000 Fuck, yeah! 1.00

00:10:29.000 I mean, fucking killed. 1.00

00:10:30.000 And she didn't just fucking kill, she fucking killed after me. 1.00

00:10:33.000 Like, I had done an hour of stand-up. 1.00

00:10:35.000 Oh, wow, man. 0.79

00:10:35.000 And then I'm doing Q&A, and then she goes up and kills. 0.79

00:10:38.000 And then here comes the amuse-bouche.

00:10:39.000 It was real.

00:10:40.000 I was like, this is like a real Mrs. Maisel.

00:10:42.000 That's a possible thing for a girl. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Or for anybody.

00:10:47.000 I knew guys that never did stand-up that were funnier than me.

00:10:50.000 Funnier than most of my friends.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, I think my funniest friends are not actually in entertainment like that.

00:10:57.000 They're these snipers, man.

00:11:00.000 Every single day, at any given moment, they're about to say something, something's about to come out of their mouth, and everyone's going to be like, bah!

00:11:07.000 And they're not like, you know, they're regular people.

00:11:11.000 That's why they're so funny, because they're not trying to perform.

00:11:14.000 They're just actually being themselves, which is funny, and they enjoy being funny.

00:11:18.000 Well, but absolutely.

00:11:19.000 And I would also add, though, that how cool of you to give this cool girl a bit of a spotlight to give that and the encouragement that you gave her and that she would take that.

00:11:29.000 I mean, that goes a long way.

00:11:31.000 When Joe Rogan is saying, you got something there, go work on that.

00:11:33.000 She does, you know?

00:11:34.000 It was fun.

00:11:35.000 She had a great sense of humor and she was fun at doing banter. 1.00

00:11:40.000 And so when she went up and did it, I was like... 1.00

00:11:42.000 Fuck yeah, she fucking killed. 1.00

00:11:44.000 That woman 100% could be a professional comic. 1.00

00:11:47.000 If she dedicated herself to it, 100% she could do it.

00:11:51.000 And that's like a Mrs. Maisel type character. 1.00

00:11:53.000 I've seen people like that before.

00:11:55.000 I used to work for a guy who was a private investigator.

00:11:58.000 His name is Dave Dolan. 0.97

00:11:59.000 And he was one of the funniest fucking human beings I've ever met in my life. 0.98

00:12:04.000 He needed a driver, really. 0.99

00:12:07.000 He lost his license drinking and driving.

00:12:09.000 And so he put an ad in the paper for a private investigator's assistant, and I needed a job while I was doing stand-up. 1.00

00:12:16.000 Oh, no shit! 0.97

00:12:17.000 Yeah, so I became this guy's driver, and so I hung out with him, and he was a private investigator. 0.97

00:12:23.000 How long did you work for him?

00:12:25.000 I think it was at least six months, because I forget how long his driver's license was suspended for.

00:12:31.000 Was that a trip or what, bro?

00:12:32.000 It was the best.

00:12:33.000 Like, you're literally just on a case all the time?

00:12:36.000 All the time.

00:12:37.000 Yeah, we're on cases all day.

00:12:38.000 I got to see how they catch people.

00:12:41.000 Most of the time it was people that were cheating on insurance companies.

00:12:44.000 Sure, yeah.

00:12:45.000 Like, say if you got hurt...

00:12:46.000 Workman's comp, that kind of stuff.

00:12:48.000 Guys were working under the table.

00:12:50.000 And so they would take photos of them and catch them lying and stuff like that.

00:12:54.000 But there was one guy that his wife was getting plowed by this bodybuilder. 1.00

00:12:58.000 Oh, that's fun.

00:12:59.000 And he kept wanting my friend Dave to take pictures. 1.00

00:13:02.000 He goes, hey, listen, you sick fuck. 1.00

00:13:03.000 You know what the fucking deal is. 1.00

00:13:05.000 You know what the guy's doing. 1.00

00:13:07.000 We're done here.

00:13:08.000 He goes... 1.00

00:13:09.000 I'm not going to fucking take pictures, you weirdo, of this guy fucking your girl. 1.00

00:13:14.000 You need to take those pictures. 1.00

00:13:15.000 I like that he has no standards.

00:13:17.000 He's not just going to go and hand that out.

00:13:18.000 Dude, he was hilarious.

00:13:20.000 And he never did stand up. 0.99

00:13:22.000 If that guy ever went on stage, he would have fucking murdered from the moment he went up there. 0.99

00:13:26.000 He was just like this really funny Irish guy from Boston. 0.99

00:13:30.000 Just fucking funny all the time. 0.96

00:13:32.000 He was the guy that like when you're eating dinner, he was the one who would crack in with something and everybody be slapping the table. 0.99

00:13:38.000 He was just an animal.

00:13:40.000 But there's also I guess that, you know, you have to have some kind of inherent Confidence and also insanity to go up and do stand-up and just, you know, be there working without a net and just literally saying,

00:13:56.000 hey, this is me and these are my words that I think are funny.

00:13:59.000 I hope you do too.

00:14:00.000 I mean, that's...

00:14:02.000 So sometimes even very, very, very funny people have put into that spotlight.

00:14:06.000 They're not always necessarily totally capable, I guess, but...

00:14:09.000 Yeah, well, it's a skill, and you've got to learn how to do it.

00:14:13.000 But the thing is, some people really can't ever do it.

00:14:16.000 But if you can do that, like what that girl did when she went on stage at my show, or you could do what Mrs. Maisel does in that show, you could actually do stand-up.

00:14:25.000 It's just a matter of learning the rest of it.

00:14:28.000 It becomes more comprehensive.

00:14:30.000 What are my bits supposed to be about? 0.95

00:14:32.000 Are they just being silly? 0.94

00:14:34.000 Am I trying to say something? 0.99

00:14:35.000 Am I sacrificing funny to try to make myself seem smart?

00:14:40.000 There's a lot of weird games you play with your mind to try to get the material right.

00:14:44.000 But the point is that show is one of the best shows ever for stand-up.

00:14:48.000 Because it really did a great job of capturing the time.

00:14:52.000 It really did a great job of capturing Lenny Bruce.

00:14:55.000 Oh, he's so good.

00:14:56.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 So good.

00:14:57.000 And who's the gentleman that plays Lenny Bruce?

00:14:59.000 Luke...

00:15:00.000 Luke Kirby?

00:15:01.000 I think it's Luke Kirby.

00:15:03.000 I could be totally wrong.

00:15:04.000 Let's find out.

00:15:04.000 If I'm mangling this, I'm so sorry.

00:15:06.000 Because he does a really good job.

00:15:08.000 He's so good, man.

00:15:08.000 Really good job.

00:15:09.000 Like, it's so spot on.

00:15:10.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 You believe it.

00:15:12.000 Yeah.

00:15:12.000 I love stand-up comedy.

00:15:14.000 I've been...

00:15:16.000 Luke Kirby.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, Luke Kirby.

00:15:17.000 He nailed it.

00:15:17.000 There you go, Lukey boy.

00:15:18.000 And he looked very much like Lenny Bruce.

00:15:20.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:21.000 He's really got the mannerisms down.

00:15:23.000 I remember watching and rehearsing, like, listening to old Lenny Bruce and, like, just trying to find that rhythm and the cadence and stuff.

00:15:30.000 And he's so good.

00:15:31.000 I mean, everybody in the cast is so good.

00:15:33.000 That time is a strange...

00:15:35.000 Like, stand-up by itself is a very strange thing because it's a lot of the old stand-up doesn't work anymore.

00:15:41.000 Because it's just, you already know those things.

00:15:43.000 They're not shocking.

00:15:47.000 These are all like, but it's because of people like him.

00:15:49.000 Well, the envelope has been pushed so far.

00:15:51.000 I mean, the envelope is off the edge at this point as far as what is comedic material and what roads can be crossed and all that jazz.

00:15:59.000 For sure, but Lenny was the first guy to push it.

00:16:02.000 Lenny was the first guy to really, like, push the envelope.

00:16:04.000 He was the first guy to- He got arrested, like, multiple times.

00:16:07.000 So he had Carlin.

00:16:08.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:08.000 Carlin was arrested for it, too.

00:16:10.000 Carlin was great.

00:16:11.000 But so those guys, I mean, that's why the envelope got moved.

00:16:15.000 It's because these guys were constantly moving it forward and forward.

00:16:19.000 Before them, no one even did that kind of comedy.

00:16:22.000 Comedy was all just jokes.

00:16:24.000 Like the hacks that she goes and sees when she's waiting to get a spot.

00:16:28.000 Exactly.

00:16:28.000 That was well represented too.

00:16:30.000 And then the hunger and the fucking trying to make it and all that stuff. 0.99

00:16:34.000 It seemed realistic. 0.99

00:16:36.000 It was good.

00:16:37.000 It's a good show.

00:16:39.000 And Rachel's fantastic.

00:16:41.000 She's so good.

00:16:41.000 And she's a lovely person.

00:16:43.000 Can I imagine?

00:16:44.000 She must be.

00:16:45.000 No one's that good an actor.

00:16:48.000 I don't know, some people might be.

00:16:50.000 They might be.

00:16:51.000 Hollywood's full of a lot of interesting deceit too, bro.

00:16:54.000 I know, it is.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:55.000 And sometimes we get to watch it on trial.

00:16:58.000 Oh yeah, oh my gosh.

00:16:59.000 How wild is that they had a relationship trial? 0.99

00:17:02.000 Like, this is who was more fucked up in the relationship. 0.99

00:17:05.000 Let's show the whole world. 0.99

00:17:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:08.000 I don't know how I feel about it.

00:17:10.000 Like, there's a part of me that just wishes that nobody would really care about any of that drama as it unfolds, because it's not pertinent to anybody's life, really, or making the world a better place.

00:17:21.000 Who gets paid for the advertising money from that trial?

00:17:24.000 There must have been a lot of it.

00:17:27.000 Does Johnny get a cut of the YouTube title?

00:17:29.000 Was it all YouTube?

00:17:30.000 I don't know.

00:17:31.000 I mean, but a lot of it is available on YouTube.

00:17:34.000 I mean, was it available for free when it came out?

00:17:37.000 I think the people making the videos are making money.

00:17:40.000 I feel like I saw an article that said someone's making like 60 grand a month making...

00:17:44.000 Reaction videos to the trial or something.

00:17:46.000 Just reaction videos of the trial?

00:17:48.000 Or showing it or highlights.

00:17:50.000 Everybody wants to know what everybody else thinks about it.

00:17:53.000 The trial is a perfect thing to have a reaction video.

00:17:56.000 Because there's so many moments in that trial.

00:17:57.000 Certainly.

00:17:58.000 But I think things like that, though, ultimately, I don't know, man.

00:18:03.000 I feel like it's making us...

00:18:07.000 Less empathetic, ultimately.

00:18:09.000 We all get to look at these people, literally, you know, like you're saying, they're having a marital dispute. 0.99

00:18:16.000 We're all getting brought in on their nonsense, not nonsense, their shit, their traumas, all that stuff. 0.99

00:18:22.000 And everyone just gets to sit around eating popcorn and judging the entire fiasco because it's entertainment now. 0.99

00:18:29.000 It's like everything is content and everything is entertainment. 0.99

00:18:31.000 But the more we do that kind of stuff, I do feel like we're pulling farther apart from being able to look at either her or him and say, You both have issues and you both need to work on some shit.

00:18:43.000 And, you know, however the jury and all that founded, ultimately I saw little bits and pieces.

00:18:48.000 It seemed like he was more in the right than she was.

00:18:50.000 I would have gone with that too.

00:18:51.000 But the point is, they're still human beings, both of them, at the end of the day.

00:18:54.000 And they're just a circus when we see it like that.

00:18:57.000 Seemingly.

00:18:58.000 I think he wanted the circus because the circus exposes the truth.

00:19:03.000 I think that was the only way to expose the truth, was to get her to talk about stuff on camera, and he felt like she would kind of fall apart.

00:19:12.000 Certainly, but I don't think that...

00:19:14.000 That could have been done just in a courtroom without it airing to the rest of the world.

00:19:19.000 All that stuff would have been said on some cameras that are recording in that room.

00:19:23.000 Are we trying to pretend that the jury didn't know how the rest of the world felt? 0.98

00:19:28.000 I know, it's so ridiculous. 0.95

00:19:29.000 In that case? 0.99

00:19:30.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.94

00:19:31.000 How do you keep jurors away from anything anymore? 0.96

00:19:33.000 How do you keep them away from their phones?

00:19:34.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:19:35.000 I don't know.

00:19:36.000 I don't know.

00:19:37.000 Like, do we give up on that?

00:19:39.000 On jurors being influenced by the outside world?

00:19:41.000 No, that's still very much the law, I believe.

00:19:44.000 But wasn't it at a certain point in time that they were restricted?

00:19:47.000 Like, they weren't allowed to watch media or something like that?

00:19:50.000 They were sequestered?

00:19:52.000 Is that still going on, or do they get to go home?

00:19:54.000 It depends on the trial, I think so, yeah.

00:19:56.000 Like, in the O.J. Simpson trial, all those guys got sequestered for a long fucking time. 0.98

00:19:59.000 Oh man, it was not ideal for any of them. 1.00

00:20:03.000 And after all that, they still come up with a fucked up verdict. 0.98

00:20:06.000 I mean, I agree. 0.96

00:20:09.000 I don't see him as being innocent in that at all, but Rodney King had just gotten beaten on a freeway, and there was a lot of anger and a lot of pain and frustration.

00:20:21.000 And again, not that that should...

00:20:23.000 Make the other right or whatever, but it's still just I think we got to come back and be like, you know, I don't know.

00:20:29.000 We're humans.

00:20:31.000 You're right.

00:20:32.000 Like everyone who's mocking the trial, me included, is not being empathetic to the fact that these are two human beings.

00:20:38.000 But there's something about liars in particular that people when they're lying and they are doing it to try to damage someone else.

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 Oh, it's horrible.

00:20:47.000 It's one of the creepiest.

00:20:49.000 It's horrible.

00:20:49.000 So there's a certain amount of signaling that everybody's doing by not being empathetic because it is such a public thing.

00:20:57.000 There's a certain amount of signaling that we're doing to each other. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Saying, hey, that is fucking bullshit. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Always. 1.00

00:21:04.000 And everybody kind of agrees.

00:21:06.000 And then it's kind of better for people.

00:21:09.000 It's better for people to see that on display and see people's reaction to it.

00:21:13.000 And make people think about what is it like if someone lies about something just to try to damage someone.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.000 Well, listen, I 100% believe that all lies should be exposed.

00:21:23.000 You know, sunlight is the best disinfectant. 1.00

00:21:25.000 We should be able to talk about all that shit for sure. 0.99

00:21:28.000 But I think, yeah, hopefully it can be done where we all get the example. 0.99

00:21:32.000 But we're still nice to each other.

00:21:34.000 Yeah.

00:21:35.000 We're still radically loving each other.

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 It's possible.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:39.000 It is possible.

00:21:40.000 It's possible for people to be way nicer to each other.

00:21:43.000 But that stuff's not good, right?

00:21:45.000 No.

00:21:46.000 And people, they're still responsible.

00:21:49.000 I think that we can both acknowledge that As crazy as it might sound, but no one's at fault, but everyone's responsible.

00:21:58.000 You know, you get programmed by your parents, who are programmed by their parents, who are programmed by their parents.

00:22:03.000 I mean, it's generational trauma.

00:22:05.000 And it's not just your parents.

00:22:06.000 Sometimes it's other people in your family or your community or your society or your country or your faith or whatever it is.

00:22:11.000 But all that stuff is the coding you get as a little soul growing up.

00:22:16.000 And so that's how you behave, by and large.

00:22:18.000 I mean, there's, like, psychopaths and sociopaths that might be born with a little, like, physiological...

00:22:22.000 You know, something wrong.

00:22:23.000 But all of us are nature and nurture, like, through and through.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, that's the determinism perspective, right?

00:22:30.000 That life has kind of led you to this moment and you don't really have a lot of control over it.

00:22:36.000 Well, we have to forgive ourselves for not knowing what we didn't know, right? 1.00

00:22:42.000 We've all done stupid shit throughout our lives. 1.00

00:22:44.000 That was one of the biggest things that was destroying me before I went to life-saving therapy. 1.00

00:22:49.000 I didn't know how much I hated myself.

00:22:51.000 My self-talk was Oh, really?

00:22:54.000 Oh, yeah, man.

00:22:55.000 It was so bad.

00:22:55.000 You're a beautiful, tall, handsome fella.

00:22:57.000 Why would you have bad safe talk?

00:22:59.000 You've got a wonderful personality. 1.00

00:23:00.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:23:01.000 Well, thank you, Joe. 1.00

00:23:01.000 Your self-talk should be great. 1.00

00:23:03.000 I appreciate that.

00:23:03.000 Well, okay.

00:23:05.000 But, again, I didn't know what I didn't know.

00:23:07.000 And what I didn't know was that my whole life, my parents, my mom and stepdad particularly, were very...

00:23:16.000 Psychologically abusive types of people, you know, because they were also super psychologically abused by their respective parents, right?

00:23:25.000 But your parents' voice More often than not, in my humble opinion, the voice that you have for yourself, that's you just echoing the way they talked to you.

00:23:34.000 So that's why no matter what I may look like or what I've accomplished in my life, and even up to the point at 37, when I moved out here to Austin, I had this whole breakdown.

00:23:43.000 Even up to that point, I still felt like I was failing my life entirely. 0.96

00:23:47.000 I had accomplished so many things and I still felt like I was failing because my self-talk was garbage. 0.96

00:23:52.000 I just...

00:23:52.000 So did you feel like you were failing like in looking at your career or did you think you were failing at life?

00:23:59.000 Everything.

00:24:00.000 All things.

00:24:00.000 I was 37. Yeah, I was 37. But your career was going well.

00:24:04.000 To some, looking from the outside, it'd be like, that guy's got it all, or whatever.

00:24:08.000 Absolutely, totally. 0.66

00:24:09.000 Which makes you feel even fucking worse, because now you feel like a sad... 0.53

00:24:13.000 I was in major depression and anxiety, and I'm like, why can't I be happy and love myself wherever I'm at right now? 1.00

00:24:21.000 And then you go, oh, yeah, and you have all this stuff, you shithead. 1.00

00:24:25.000 And then you just start shitting on yourself. 1.00

00:24:27.000 I mean, it's a horrible downward spiral that you go down, you know? 0.99

00:24:31.000 But that's why...

00:24:33.000 That's thinking thinking.

00:24:34.000 That's why you've got to go to therapy and have professionals just walk you through like, hey, let's help you see yourself, the world, and how you fit into it more clearly.

00:24:46.000 Let's do that.

00:24:46.000 Let's unpack these ideas.

00:24:48.000 Let's talk about trauma.

00:24:49.000 Let's be able to tell the person like, hey, it's not your fault.

00:24:52.000 You're responsible 100%.

00:24:54.000 No matter what happens in your life, if you've done it, you're responsible for that.

00:24:59.000 So we just hold everybody accountable.

00:25:01.000 And responsible while simultaneously not dehumanizing them at the same time.

00:25:05.000 That's the push and the pull, I think.

00:25:08.000 And it's just easy.

00:25:08.000 We all want to dehumanize because we've all been taught in other, us and them, our whole lives, our nations, our tribes, our faiths, our whatever.

00:25:16.000 I mean, all of these things are, I mean, fuck, man. 0.99

00:25:18.000 We're so divided. 1.00

00:25:19.000 The country, the world is so, so, so divided right now.

00:25:24.000 Fear is not going to...

00:25:25.000 We can only love our way to a better future.

00:25:28.000 We can't hate our way there.

00:25:31.000 Animosity our way to enlightenment.

00:25:33.000 No, we're not.

00:25:33.000 It's not going to happen.

00:25:34.000 And even if we can build some kind of weird dystopian future, whatever that fucking is, we're all going to be that much more miserable because... 0.85

00:25:42.000 We're going to save the planet but hate each other in the future while we're on that? 0.98

00:25:46.000 No, we got to fucking figure it out. 0.84

00:25:48.000 We got to figure out how to coexist genuinely. 0.97

00:25:50.000 But I think all of that comes down to, initially, self-love and then being able to love somebody.

00:25:55.000 Because now, like, you know, in a plain analogy, you put your own mask on before helping other people with their masks.

00:26:01.000 A lot of my life, I was trying to go love everybody. 0.85

00:26:03.000 I'm just trying to get everybody's, and I'm fucking suffocating and dying and falling on the cabin floor until I went to therapy. 0.98

00:26:10.000 And I was like, oh shit, I don't even understand how to love myself, how to take care of myself, really like invest in myself. 0.98

00:26:17.000 I had in moments throughout my life, but if you don't value yourself, you're not going to invest in yourself. 0.98

00:26:23.000 We always hear those stories about the person who's doing really well, and then they decide to take their own life, and it's so baffling to us.

00:26:31.000 Oh, man, yeah.

00:26:32.000 And I think for some, even if they're doing really well, they compare themselves to people who are doing better, and they always feel bad.

00:26:40.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.000 Like, we've told the story about this guy Richard Jenny, who's like a really huge comedian in the 80s and 90s, and he wound up killing himself.

00:26:48.000 And he always wanted to be like Jim Carrey.

00:26:50.000 He wanted to be a movie star.

00:26:51.000 It just never really happened.

00:26:52.000 But for comics, he was like one of the best comics alive.

00:26:56.000 Like he was a guy who would, comics would go and sit in the back room to watch his set. 0.99

00:26:59.000 And you'd leave going, fuck, he's good. 1.00

00:27:02.000 Goddamn, that guy's good. 1.00

00:27:04.000 But he, that wasn't enough. 0.97

00:27:06.000 Like he, for whatever chemical imbalance he had, whatever, you know, bad self-talk, whatever life trauma and whatever he was going through, it was just too much.

00:27:16.000 Well, a lot of people, I mean, genuinely a lot of people are programmed with some form of you're not good enough programming, you know?

00:27:24.000 I take it, having listened to many of your conversations, you're somebody who has always had a really innate self-worth about you.

00:27:31.000 You invest in yourself on a high rate and have been doing it for a really long time.

00:27:36.000 Myself, lots of other people I know, we're not.

00:27:39.000 There's that self.

00:27:40.000 If you are still always chasing because nothing is ever ultimately a good enough thing to finally say, I accomplished enough to silence the voices in my head that are telling me I'm not good enough.

00:27:52.000 Yeah.

00:27:53.000 You'll be forever chasing that.

00:27:55.000 And seemingly, that's probably what happened to him.

00:27:58.000 Something happened in his growth, either as a child or even later on as an adult or both or whatever, and that was something that he could never get that monkey off his back.

00:28:08.000 I can relate to that.

00:28:09.000 I think sometimes people also get in these patterns of thinking like really negative Patterns of thinking and they can't get off the tracks like they're stuck in a groove the way they think about things They're always thinking that everything's going bad for them.

00:28:24.000 They're always thinking everything's Everything's gonna be worse in the future and everything's falling apart and they can't get it out of their head They can never go look on the bright side.

00:28:33.000 It's like it's almost like it's not available to them anymore Well, but there's a lot of evidence to the fact that that's really neuroplasticity.

00:28:41.000 So when traumas or when memories or whenever they, you know, those galvanize in our head, well, now it's like a circuit.

00:28:48.000 It's a root.

00:28:49.000 And so when you like, you know, putting a deeper groove into a record, you're just, the more you think about that same trauma or that same thing that's holding you back, the more it's going to hold you back.

00:28:59.000 Right.

00:29:00.000 Do you know Dr. Joe Dispenza?

00:29:02.000 You ever heard of Dr. Joe Dispenza?

00:29:04.000 Not really.

00:29:05.000 He's like...

00:29:07.000 I think I've seen him on Instagram.

00:29:09.000 Yeah, but he's like...

00:29:10.000 I might even follow him.

00:29:11.000 I think he was a chiropractor, doctor, but then ultimately he's really been kind of leading the charge for...

00:29:17.000 I don't know, like...

00:29:21.000 Energy, connectivity in your body, your ability to think your way to a better life, ultimately.

00:29:29.000 Because our thoughts are so powerful that they can affect our bodies.

00:29:33.000 This is kind of the world that he's into.

00:29:36.000 But I do think there's a lot...

00:29:38.000 That world makes me super suspicious.

00:29:40.000 Oh, really?

00:29:40.000 Yeah, anytime people start talking about manifesting the world through the ideas...

00:29:45.000 Oh, man, I think it's so real.

00:29:47.000 What do you think is real?

00:29:48.000 Well, I think prayer...

00:29:51.000 Is manifestation.

00:29:52.000 I think manifestation is prayer.

00:29:53.000 I think that that is a real thing.

00:29:55.000 And it's not...

00:29:56.000 I don't think it's just a fluke that people have been doing it for so, so, so, so, so long and feel something very deep through it.

00:30:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:03.000 I think it's a method to achieve focus, for sure.

00:30:05.000 And I think one of the things about prayer is prayer is very similar to meditation in that they're both like...

00:30:11.000 Really good.

00:30:12.000 They're both really good for you.

00:30:13.000 Certainly.

00:30:14.000 Meditation, where you're literally thinking about nothing, and prayer, where you're praising God, or thinking about the energy of the universe, or whatever it is.

00:30:23.000 What you're doing is you're putting out gratitude, you're putting out this feeling of appreciation, and all of those things are really good ideas.

00:30:33.000 Absolutely.

00:30:34.000 But that, by doing that, I mean, the thought exercise is, by doing that, you change your aura.

00:30:40.000 You change your energy.

00:30:40.000 You are also rewriting the neuroplasticity in your mind to break those habits and those cycles that have just been stuck there.

00:30:48.000 I think you definitely do something.

00:30:50.000 Something's going on.

00:30:51.000 I don't know if it's your aura, though.

00:30:53.000 I don't know.

00:30:53.000 When people start talking auras and chakras, I'm like, slow down.

00:30:58.000 Slow down.

00:30:59.000 Are we talking nonsense?

00:31:01.000 I'm not sure.

00:31:02.000 Maybe it is.

00:31:03.000 But it's no more nonsense than anything else that we think is probably true.

00:31:07.000 Like, I don't know, man.

00:31:08.000 And it's probably really also puts you in a positive state of mind, which can be very effective at improving your life.

00:31:15.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 But I do think that we are, yes, we are these bags of meat that walk around in this physical world.

00:31:22.000 I fully believe that there's a soul in us, and that is something that is other than physical, and whatever that is operates in a slightly different way.

00:31:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:32.000 Yeah, I think there's something in there, too.

00:31:34.000 I wonder what it is.

00:31:36.000 You know, what we're calling the soul, it's like consciousness that's untethered from language and untethered from life experience.

00:31:45.000 It's just whatever your essence is.

00:31:48.000 And then everything else you're doing.

00:31:49.000 Like, we're talking about the way these ideas get sort of carved into your mind and how people can help you manipulate your mind to get rid of some of these bad ideas and bad self-talk.

00:32:03.000 And it begs the question, like, what are we really?

00:32:07.000 Some weird combination of life experiences and noises that we can make with our mouths.

00:32:13.000 But at the center of it all, there's a thing.

00:32:17.000 We all believe that we're navigating through words and having conversations through language, but what is we?

00:32:25.000 We are using this language, but what is that thing?

00:32:28.000 That collective soul, you mean? 0.97

00:32:31.000 The thing that you get to, if you could erase all the bullshit from people and just get down to you. 0.82

00:32:38.000 Yeah, the essence. 0.98

00:32:38.000 What is that? 0.98

00:32:39.000 I think that's a soul.

00:32:40.000 And more specifically...

00:32:42.000 It might be.

00:32:43.000 I do think it is, but I think that that's a life energy, soul, that is connected to God energy.

00:32:50.000 We are all little conduits of life.

00:32:53.000 The only actual miracle in the universe that we know of right now, this place right here, this little blue dot, spinning ball of mud, that we're all on together...

00:33:04.000 That's a pretty spectacular thing.

00:33:07.000 And I think all of that is just God energy.

00:33:10.000 You know, people are kind of saying, oh, God, the universe.

00:33:13.000 I'm not trying to even define it for anybody other than just saying, absolutely, that is, I think, absolutely, that is a thing.

00:33:19.000 And absolutely, that thing, I think, operates in love.

00:33:23.000 I think that when we...

00:33:24.000 When we're going after love and loving people, we're walking closer to God.

00:33:30.000 That seems to only work right here with us.

00:33:33.000 It doesn't seem to work with any other animals.

00:33:36.000 Other animals, it doesn't seem to matter at all.

00:33:39.000 It's just tooth and claw.

00:33:41.000 Listen, listen.

00:33:42.000 But isn't that interesting?

00:33:43.000 It is, but I've thought about this.

00:33:45.000 I think that...

00:33:47.000 Look, we're very special apes, right?

00:33:49.000 Somehow, whether it was eating a bunch of mushrooms and we, you know, grew a brain or whatever the heck it is, bro.

00:33:55.000 But we are very, we're called out.

00:33:57.000 We're a special animal, right?

00:34:00.000 That shouldn't give us this cocky arrogance like, this is all ours, like we've been doing for so long. 0.98

00:34:05.000 We have to be in homeostasis with the rest of the world and creation, but we're fucking special, man. 0.94

00:34:09.000 Yeah, we're weird. 0.97

00:34:10.000 We're super weird, yeah.

00:34:11.000 But I would say, but check this out, though.

00:34:15.000 Like, Nature is Metal, the Instagram, I think you follow them too.

00:34:18.000 They're one of my favorites.

00:34:19.000 They're so good.

00:34:20.000 I tell everybody.

00:34:21.000 In fact, particularly I tell my vegan friends and all that stuff.

00:34:24.000 They're like, you know, animal, animal.

00:34:25.000 Like, I got you.

00:34:26.000 I'm like, go follow that account and tell me that we are somehow these horrible creatures that are going and mowing down all these animals when they are ripping each other's limbs off, literally.

00:34:36.000 It's so satisfying.

00:34:38.000 Anyway, but nature is a metal, that's a great example of, yeah, this is the wild world out there.

00:34:43.000 So what about that?

00:34:44.000 How do you explain that?

00:34:45.000 Well, I think that perhaps a lot of other species of animal, just we evolved super fast into whatever our reasoning, the fact that we even ask why, right?

00:34:56.000 Like all that, we're set apart.

00:34:58.000 I don't think those animals have literally just evolved or matured long enough to be able to have some of that.

00:35:03.000 But I will say this, and this is, hear me out, hear me out.

00:35:07.000 I fully believe, this is how much I believe in the power of love.

00:35:10.000 I'm not kidding.

00:35:13.000 Dogs are The greatest animal.

00:35:18.000 I know you love your dog.

00:35:19.000 I love my dogs.

00:35:20.000 They're amazing.

00:35:21.000 I don't understand cat people.

00:35:23.000 I've had cats. 1.00

00:35:24.000 They're cute and cuddly, but they're selfish little fuckers who don't need you ultimately and will eat your decomposing body the second you die. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Dogs will wait at least a couple of weeks. 1.00

00:35:34.000 But dogs are amazing. 0.99

00:35:36.000 How the fuck Do we have this amazing species of animal that exists right now that when we met it, it would have fucking killed us as a wolf? 1.00

00:35:47.000 Right? 0.99

00:35:48.000 And what has made the dog not just domesticated, but what has made the dog love?

00:35:56.000 And it's humans loving the dog.

00:35:58.000 We have loved dogs more than we've loved any other animal on this earth.

00:36:02.000 I mean, I think.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:03.000 I would say.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, probably. 0.99

00:36:05.000 And I think because of that, you see dogs becoming better versions of themselves that aren't so wild, that don't want to just go and fucking kill. 0.80

00:36:13.000 Not that that stuff's still not in there somewhat, but this is my theory. 0.97

00:36:16.000 I really believe it.

00:36:18.000 And I think that the more we would do that...

00:36:20.000 I mean, also, have you ever seen videos of...

00:36:25.000 Like animal sanctuaries, where they have all kinds of different animals, like owls and cats and tigers and little, you know, like docks and dogs.

00:36:35.000 And they're like best friends. 0.99

00:36:37.000 They're best fucking friends. 0.99

00:36:38.000 These little teeny dogs and these huge tigers, or a cat and an owl in a tree. 1.00

00:36:42.000 They would be sworn enemies on any other day.

00:36:45.000 This should not happen.

00:36:47.000 But because they have been taken care of, literally, in this beautiful sanctuary by human beings that are loving them all the time, could that perhaps then spill out and be like, oh, that is how we do that?

00:36:58.000 Yeah, but that Siegfried and Roy, didn't that put a damper in that idea?

00:37:04.000 Listen, I'm not saying that it's bulletproof, Joe.

00:37:07.000 I'm not saying it's bulletproof.

00:37:09.000 We've loved a lot of human beings and they still do horrible things, you know what I mean?

00:37:13.000 One of the things that Mike Tyson told me is that tigers only like one person.

00:37:18.000 If you have a tiger, if you have a tiger as a pet, they only like one person.

00:37:21.000 They don't like all the other people.

00:37:23.000 And that becomes a real problem.

00:37:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:26.000 It'd be a real damper at a pool party.

00:37:28.000 They only listened to you. 1.00

00:37:30.000 So he had a tiger and didn't want to listen to anybody else, and everybody else was terrified of this fucking tiger. 0.99

00:37:34.000 And Mike's walking around with a chain in his underwear. 1.00

00:37:38.000 But the point is, they don't give a fuck about love. 0.98

00:37:44.000 I understand what you're saying. 0.98

00:37:46.000 I understand what you're saying.

00:37:48.000 Just theoretically.

00:37:49.000 There's got to be something to the power of that.

00:37:52.000 That we have taken so much time and so much energy and so much effort.

00:37:56.000 And we treat them with...

00:37:57.000 I mean, dude, humans love dogs more than they love other human beings. 0.98

00:38:00.000 So what are we even fucking talking about? 0.96

00:38:03.000 How often you're like sitting in an outdoor cafe or something like somebody's walking by with a dog or you're walking your dog and there's somebody sitting there and it's not high. 0.98

00:38:13.000 They look at you for half a second.

00:38:14.000 They go, oh my God, what's its name?

00:38:17.000 They go straight down to the dog.

00:38:18.000 They're asking the breed, the age, where is it from?

00:38:22.000 What is it like to do? 1.00

00:38:23.000 And those all your fucking dogs, happy hobbies and everything. 1.00

00:38:27.000 And that's a thing of the person that's got the dog. 1.00

00:38:31.000 And you just go, oh, thank you so much.

00:38:32.000 Have a great day.

00:38:32.000 Because all you wanted to do was be with their dog.

00:38:34.000 Dogs get all the love.

00:38:36.000 And look at them.

00:38:37.000 They are just like love in an animal.

00:38:40.000 Most of them.

00:38:41.000 Yeah, but if you let them go and they have to fend for themselves, they turn right back into dogs and they get sketchy and they even kill people sometimes. 0.93

00:38:51.000 Certainly.

00:38:51.000 But again, I think these are more exceptions to the rule.

00:38:57.000 For dogs?

00:38:58.000 Yeah.

00:38:58.000 And by the way, if people are not loved in a good way for a long time, they regress and we become far more animalistic.

00:39:04.000 But you don't want to domesticate everything, right?

00:39:07.000 I'm not sad.

00:39:08.000 I'm just bringing it up to the point of I think love is that powerful.

00:39:12.000 I genuinely do.

00:39:12.000 Love is definitely that powerful for us.

00:39:14.000 The funny thing is, I'm just fucking around, but this is a thing that always comes up with people when they want to say love is the answer. 0.95

00:39:23.000 Not in the jungle. 0.97

00:39:27.000 It's tooth and claw over most of the world, but we have gotten to a place where love really can do amazing and very beneficial things to our species.

00:39:38.000 It's because we've figured out a way to get out of the wild.

00:39:41.000 I don't think you can ever domesticate the wild.

00:39:44.000 You'll never have a world where those things aren't eating each other.

00:39:48.000 That's literally the engine that powers the machine.

00:39:52.000 Like I said, I'm just throwing out ideas.

00:39:55.000 I know.

00:39:55.000 I'm not even disagreeing with you.

00:39:57.000 But I would say, though, that in response to that, A, absolutely noted, but what if?

00:40:05.000 What if?

00:40:08.000 This simulation that we're in.

00:40:09.000 This game that we're all playing, life.

00:40:12.000 What if there actually is an end-winning goal?

00:40:17.000 Which is that we all choose love and not fear.

00:40:19.000 That we all go this way.

00:40:21.000 And if we all do, if we get our meter all the way up there and get everybody on board with, like, let's be leading in love and not in fear.

00:40:28.000 Not in the fear and the anger and the hate and all the things that come from that.

00:40:31.000 But we actually lead this way.

00:40:34.000 What if that starts energetically, literally changing the world in a way where...

00:40:38.000 I'm not saying we're all going to be hanging out with Tiger.

00:40:41.000 I know what you're saying.

00:40:42.000 I just think that literally the energy of the world would change 100% because love is an energy and fear is an energy.

00:40:49.000 Well, if you just sign this bill to legalize mushrooms, we can make this a fact, Zach.

00:40:53.000 That's why I'm here.

00:40:54.000 Oh, bro.

00:40:55.000 I hope it does.

00:40:57.000 If they did, it would change the whole world.

00:40:59.000 I think it's really wonderful what's going on with psychedelics and treating people for depression and anxiety.

00:41:05.000 It's incredible.

00:41:06.000 That is incredible.

00:41:07.000 And it's way long overdue.

00:41:09.000 The fact that all of these drugs were put, you know, Schedule 1 and like we couldn't do any research, we couldn't figure anything.

00:41:13.000 We would be so much farther ahead on all of the CBD, THC, psilocybin, MDMA, whatever.

00:41:20.000 Like all of these ketamine things that are literally helping people right now could have been helping people forever.

00:41:25.000 So long!

00:41:26.000 Also, we would have real studies on what the negative consequences of each individual drug are.

00:41:31.000 Because right now, it's like you're counting on people.

00:41:34.000 What happens?

00:41:34.000 Oh, you get a little bit of a hangover afterwards, that's it.

00:41:36.000 You're like, what does that mean?

00:41:38.000 What's happening to my head?

00:41:39.000 Why does it hurt?

00:41:40.000 We know about alcohol.

00:41:42.000 Why?

00:41:42.000 Because it's legal.

00:41:43.000 We've had a long time to study.

00:41:45.000 Which is, by the way, the worst drug.

00:41:47.000 It's the worst!

00:41:47.000 I mean, I love me some tequila, but it literally is one of the worst things you can put in your body.

00:41:52.000 It's definitely not good for you.

00:41:53.000 No.

00:41:54.000 But it's just weird that we're still accepting this strange situation where a person tells another person what they can and can't do.

00:42:02.000 Sure.

00:42:02.000 Even if the original person telling the other person what they can and can't do has no experience in that thing.

00:42:07.000 Certainly.

00:42:07.000 And they have this distorted idea.

00:42:09.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:42:09.000 If you talk to a lot of people that are legislators or people writing laws, they don't know jack shit about psychedelics. 0.98

00:42:16.000 Right, but that's case in point. 0.96

00:42:17.000 That's leading in fear.

00:42:18.000 Yes.

00:42:19.000 It's leading in ignorance, for sure.

00:42:21.000 Sure, but I think that's all tied to the same place.

00:42:23.000 I think ignorance comes out of that fear, ultimately.

00:42:25.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:25.000 You're afraid of whatever.

00:42:26.000 I mean, pick your poison.

00:42:27.000 But those ladies and gentlemen who are legislators, who are still operating in whatever their fear is, that's what they're choosing.

00:42:35.000 Instead of...

00:42:36.000 I mean, look, Rick Perry, he was a conservative dude here in Texas.

00:42:39.000 He's now, like, he's a...

00:42:43.000 Huge proponent of psychedelic work with anxiety and depression and all that stuff because I think it affected him personally in his life.

00:42:49.000 Maybe not him, but somebody in his life.

00:42:51.000 So it changed him.

00:42:52.000 And then instead of leading in this fear that he may have led in before, now he's leading in the love of, hey, actually, this can help people and we need it to help people. 0.95

00:43:02.000 Yeah, it's really beneficial for soldiers, really beneficial for people that have been through extreme trauma, car accidents, assaults, that kind of shit. 0.51

00:43:11.000 It helps a lot of people, changes your perspective. 0.95

00:43:14.000 Is this coffee?

00:43:15.000 Yes, it is.

00:43:16.000 Would you like some?

00:43:16.000 Yes, thank you.

00:43:17.000 But it's a tool.

00:43:18.000 It's like any other tool.

00:43:19.000 The tool itself is not evil.

00:43:21.000 The problem is people abusing that tool.

00:43:23.000 Exactly.

00:43:24.000 Just like alcohol.

00:43:27.000 Everything else, there's so many things that are occasionally beneficial, but can be ultimately detrimental if you overdo it.

00:43:34.000 Well, 100%.

00:43:34.000 I mean, look, man, God has given us so many cool things on this planet.

00:43:38.000 We just, as human beings, we get crooked.

00:43:42.000 And so then we make it crooked.

00:43:43.000 But the thing, I mean, look at opium.

00:43:46.000 One of the greatest pain relievers that's, I mean, basically still is, right?

00:43:52.000 All of the synthetics are all basically still being made to simulate something like opium.

00:43:56.000 It just grows out of the ground.

00:43:58.000 And we can use that to help people if they have amputations and all the ways that we've been using it. 0.96

00:44:02.000 But if all of a sudden you're super smacked out all the time because you're hooked on some fucking, you know, opioids and that crisis and the fentanyl crisis and why? 0.95

00:44:13.000 Why? 0.99

00:44:13.000 Money. 0.99

00:44:14.000 All money.

00:44:15.000 Yeah, all money.

00:44:16.000 And the problem is it's also they're illegal.

00:44:21.000 And when they're illegal, that means you can sell them under prescription medication.

00:44:27.000 Yeah.

00:44:27.000 So a doctor can prescribe you for opiates and then you could have a legitimate use for it because your back does hurt and then you can get them.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:35.000 But that's the only way to get them, unless you're out there buying them on the free market.

00:44:40.000 And if you're just buying them on the free market, no one can sell them to you unless they're drug dealers. 0.97

00:44:44.000 And the drug dealers are all the ones making money, and they're not paying any fucking taxes. 0.87

00:44:48.000 And if you keep it illegal, I bet the same amount of people would be using drugs. 0.97

00:44:54.000 I bet if we knew, with education, I think we can lower it, but I bet the same amount of people would be doing drugs if we just legalized everything.

00:45:04.000 I bet it would even out.

00:45:07.000 I bet it would actually drop a little bit.

00:45:08.000 They have done studies.

00:45:11.000 I mean, there are some cases already in Colorado.

00:45:13.000 I read an article not too long ago that Colorado's marijuana usage has dropped.

00:45:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:20.000 Because it's too fucking strong. 1.00

00:45:22.000 Have you tried some of that shit? 1.00

00:45:25.000 Colorado's not fucking around, man. 1.00

00:45:27.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:45:27.000 Colorado has some preposterous marijuana, because they were first to the game. 1.00

00:45:31.000 I know.

00:45:32.000 Warren Buffett invested in grow-ops there.

00:45:34.000 Yeah.

00:45:35.000 He invested in warehouses that they would put these, because a lot of them, they grow them indoors.

00:45:41.000 Oh yeah, almost all of them.

00:45:43.000 I've been to some really interesting grow houses before.

00:45:47.000 Oklahoma actually has...

00:45:48.000 It's medically cool there.

00:45:51.000 I think they're going to be working toward making it recreational as well.

00:45:54.000 Which I hope they do.

00:45:55.000 I think it would be great for the state, for taxes, for all of the things that could be done with that.

00:46:01.000 And allowing people to have more liberty in that regard.

00:46:04.000 Because I think we ought to have that.

00:46:06.000 I think it's...

00:46:07.000 It's preposterous that we're all allowed to drink booze, which has some of the worst, you know, ultimate effects in our bodies and the decision making that we do.

00:46:14.000 And yet these other things are still seen with so much stigma.

00:46:19.000 It's like, guys, come on again, choosing fear, fear, fear, fear.

00:46:21.000 And it's like, guys, there's some of this stuff is really good for you.

00:46:25.000 It's really good for you.

00:46:26.000 Yeah, and the amount of money that could be generated for tax revenue, too.

00:46:30.000 Colorado had some crazy tax on weed. 0.98

00:46:34.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 It was like, I don't remember what it was, but it was very high.

00:46:37.000 I'm like, good.

00:46:38.000 Good.

00:46:38.000 Still cheap.

00:46:39.000 Still cheaper than alcohol, and maybe that money will go to good.

00:46:43.000 Maybe we could actually use that money.

00:46:45.000 Yeah.

00:46:45.000 Let's put it in education.

00:46:47.000 Put it in cleaning streets. 1.00

00:46:49.000 Put it in, like, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:46:50.000 It's, you know... 0.99

00:46:53.000 It should be legal if you can find a benefit.

00:46:56.000 But in the beginning, one of the things that happened with the Colorado people was they weren't letting them use credit cards.

00:47:03.000 Well, they're still doing that in California.

00:47:05.000 That's wild.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, you can only use a debit card.

00:47:07.000 I bought weed with a credit card before in California.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:47:12.000 I bought it at a dispensary.

00:47:14.000 Are you sure that wasn't a debit card that looked like a credit card?

00:47:17.000 No, no, no.

00:47:18.000 It was a credit card, for sure.

00:47:19.000 When was that?

00:47:20.000 I started buying weed from a dispensary in the 90s.

00:47:24.000 It was probably like...

00:47:28.000 98 or something like that?

00:47:29.000 And they took a credit card?

00:47:31.000 Yes, they took a credit card.

00:47:34.000 Interesting.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:35.000 And then that was the Inglewood Wellness Center.

00:47:38.000 We used to have to go to the hood to get our weed because that was like one of the only places where you could buy weed.

00:47:44.000 I don't remember that place.

00:47:46.000 Legally?

00:47:46.000 Yeah.

00:47:46.000 I definitely know I bought credit card weed.

00:47:48.000 Because it was medical at that point?

00:47:49.000 Yeah, it was medical at that point.

00:47:51.000 Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

00:47:51.000 So we used to go down there to get weed, but it was...

00:47:54.000 Super sketch.

00:47:56.000 The situation was super sketch because everybody knew that they were selling weed there and everybody knew there was a lot of cash in there.

00:48:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:03.000 And so one of the guys that I used to buy from wound up getting shot. 1.00

00:48:08.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:48:08.000 Yeah, he got robbed in the store and shot. 1.00

00:48:10.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:48:11.000 Did he live? 1.00

00:48:11.000 I believe he lived. 1.00

00:48:12.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:48:13.000 Yeah, I had stopped going there. 1.00

00:48:14.000 But, um...

00:48:17.000 He was the dude that was putting his neck out in the 90s when it was like, is this really legal?

00:48:25.000 Because I know a guy, my friend Todd McCormick got arrested for growing medical weed in accordance to California state law, but he got arrested on federal charges.

00:48:36.000 And they wouldn't even let him bring up the fact that it was medical weed that was legal in the state of California, because in federal law, there's no such thing as legal weed.

00:48:48.000 Oh, that's right!

00:48:48.000 Federally was still illegal.

00:48:49.000 So you couldn't even bring it up.

00:48:51.000 Oh, what?!

00:48:52.000 Yep.

00:48:53.000 So his trial consisted of them saying, did you have weed?

00:48:57.000 Yes.

00:48:57.000 Did you sell weed?

00:48:58.000 Yes.

00:48:59.000 Okay, you're guilty.

00:49:00.000 And they put him in jail. 1.00

00:49:01.000 Fucked up. 0.98

00:49:02.000 And you literally were not allowed to bring up the fact that it was legal in California and that it was medical marijuana for people who have prescriptions. 0.99

00:49:13.000 I had this one doctor that I was going to though. 1.00

00:49:14.000 He was crazy as fuck. 1.00

00:49:16.000 I went to him and then... 1.00

00:49:17.000 Did he have a peg leg? 0.98

00:49:18.000 Oh, he was so nuts.

00:49:19.000 He had like all the new things, like new gadgets. 0.91

00:49:22.000 You want to put like electrodes on your skin.

00:49:24.000 And so one day I went to him and he gives me this book.

00:49:26.000 I go, what is this book?

00:49:27.000 And it's got like the twin towers on it.

00:49:29.000 He's like, the towers were dissolved using Tesla energy.

00:49:33.000 I go, what?

00:49:34.000 He goes, it's impossible to turn concrete into dust.

00:49:37.000 The towers were dissolved using Tesla energy.

00:49:40.000 I'm like, Was that the last time you saw that doctor?

00:49:44.000 It was the last time I saw a doctor.

00:49:45.000 I was like, Jesus Christ.

00:49:47.000 Jesus Christ.

00:49:48.000 I saved the book.

00:49:49.000 I saved the book, too. 1.00

00:49:50.000 The book is so stupid. 1.00

00:49:52.000 The book is so stupid, I pick it up every now and then and go, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:49:56.000 It's so wild. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Tesla energy.

00:49:59.000 That's a leap.

00:50:00.000 That's a leap.

00:50:01.000 Some people... 1.00

00:50:02.000 Although Tesla was fucking dope, man. 1.00

00:50:03.000 Tesla was dope. 0.99

00:50:04.000 That guy, I literally think that guy is also a great example of somebody who was like in touch with understanding that...

00:50:10.000 There's something going on.

00:50:11.000 Yeah.

00:50:12.000 But I think that's a part of being connected to that energy, to that God energy. 1.00

00:50:15.000 I think you can tap into that kind of shit. 0.99

00:50:16.000 And I think Tesla absolutely was. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Like that guy was next level genius.

00:50:20.000 He believes he was getting signals.

00:50:21.000 Yes.

00:50:22.000 That was one of the things that he said, that he believed he was getting signals from some other planet.

00:50:25.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 But I think that was God though.

00:50:28.000 Personally.

00:50:28.000 It might have been...

00:50:29.000 I mean, look, dude.

00:50:30.000 It could be.

00:50:30.000 It could have been an alien.

00:50:31.000 Who knows?

00:50:32.000 No, I mean, I think that word, that word God, the problem is people think of the dude in the robe and the beard.

00:50:38.000 Oh, I get that.

00:50:38.000 I mean, look, I use it in a very general sense.

00:50:42.000 I can tell.

00:50:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:43.000 I don't...

00:50:43.000 It's more just because...

00:50:45.000 Like it or lump it, it's the word that we all know that represents that concept.

00:50:50.000 You know what I mean?

00:50:51.000 It most certainly could be.

00:50:53.000 All of your ideas could be coming from that sort of life force that created the universe.

00:50:57.000 Because I've always said this, that the one thing that's weird about ideas is that it's the only way that things get made.

00:51:03.000 So what is an idea?

00:51:05.000 An idea is literally like a thing that enters into your mind and causes you to create things.

00:51:13.000 If you were an alien thought, like an alien life form, and the way you made things work is you got into this creature's brain and you put thoughts in there as to what to do and what not to do.

00:51:29.000 And if you're Nikola Tesla, They put thoughts in there about, oh, you need to fucking figure it out or just spray electricity through the air to everybody.

00:51:36.000 And sit under it.

00:51:38.000 I mean, he was a guy that was constantly coming up with ideas.

00:51:44.000 And then through his ideas, things get made.

00:51:47.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 But it's like the idea, it's almost like a life form that forces itself- It's a creative thought.

00:51:53.000 It's a creative thought process, and it's something that we don't see.

00:51:57.000 Not that other animals don't display some levels of creativity, because they do, but by and large, they're not sitting around being like, how do I make my day easier?

00:52:06.000 What can I do?

00:52:07.000 They're all just still living, by the way, until they're totally torn up by some predator or whatever, they're living pretty great lives.

00:52:15.000 They're in constant state of parasympathetic.

00:52:19.000 You know, they'll jump into sympathetic for moments at a time, like when you're hunting down an elk or whatever.

00:52:24.000 And then they get, and they're like, all right, come back to life now.

00:52:27.000 I'm just going to go right back into chilling.

00:52:29.000 I'm not worrying about my taxes.

00:52:30.000 I'm not worrying about my relationships.

00:52:32.000 I'm not worrying about work or anything else.

00:52:33.000 It's either I'm worrying about surviving or I'm living my life.

00:52:37.000 You know?

00:52:38.000 It's fascinating.

00:52:39.000 But...

00:52:40.000 I think with Tesla, yeah, I think that creative thinking, which seems to be very, you know, not singularly, but almost singularly human being, that is a difference in these crazy, amazing, special brains that we have.

00:52:56.000 And I think that, yeah, they tap into something greater.

00:53:00.000 It definitely is very capable, the human being, the human animal, is very capable of making new things.

00:53:09.000 And new things all come out of ideas.

00:53:12.000 I mean, we like to think that ideas are our own, but imagine if they really are just out there and you're tuning into them, and it's just a matter of like sitting down and clearing your schedule to tune into them, or occasionally driving your car and you tune into them.

00:53:26.000 Yeah.

00:53:26.000 I mean, that's a meditative state, essentially, you know?

00:53:29.000 I've absolutely had so many...

00:53:31.000 When I was first starting in acting, I grew up in Ventura, California, and about an hour, you know, northwest from L.A., and the first three years I commuted down to L.A. for all my auditions, so I was on the 101 all the time.

00:53:42.000 There were so many mornings where I'd get in my car, I would, you know, start the day with like a prayer or something like that.

00:53:48.000 I'm just driving.

00:53:49.000 And I would forget to turn my radio on.

00:53:51.000 I would just be lost in thought.

00:53:53.000 Right.

00:53:53.000 And not only does the trip, you know, you ever driving some long distance and, but you know the distance and it feels like you blink and 30 miles went by.

00:54:02.000 You have no idea.

00:54:02.000 You don't remember seeing any of that at all.

00:54:04.000 Yeah.

00:54:04.000 It's like that meditative state that you find yourself in.

00:54:06.000 You know, maybe in some ways it's like a, you know, a version of a not as great version of as your, your, um, sensory depth.

00:54:14.000 Yeah, your float tank.

00:54:14.000 Yeah.

00:54:14.000 Because your brain is on autopilot.

00:54:17.000 You're driving a stretch.

00:54:18.000 You've driven all the time.

00:54:19.000 You're totally on autopilot.

00:54:20.000 You're good.

00:54:21.000 And now you're just wandering in thought.

00:54:24.000 And you do.

00:54:25.000 You tap into a lot of cool things that way, I think.

00:54:27.000 And that's meditation in general.

00:54:29.000 Prayer and meditation is hugely important.

00:54:31.000 It's the same as going for a walk, right?

00:54:33.000 What's one of the things that writers love to do?

00:54:35.000 They like to write and then go for a walk and bring a tape recorder.

00:54:40.000 And just like to just record their ideas as they're walking because sometimes just the process of walking around after writing is like a meditative state.

00:54:49.000 Yeah.

00:54:49.000 Or also, do you ever find yourself pacing like on a phone call or something like that?

00:54:53.000 Yeah.

00:54:54.000 I think there's a similar thing in that too.

00:54:56.000 It's like you're focusing so much on whatever business is going on in that phone call and you're just putting yourself in this kind of like autopilot of a move.

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:04.000 Well, I feel like I talk better when I do that.

00:55:07.000 You know, like I get a little bit of circulation.

00:55:10.000 Sure.

00:55:10.000 Like if it's a very important conversation, I'm not going to sit down.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:55:15.000 I'm going to get up.

00:55:15.000 100%, yeah.

00:55:16.000 You're going to walk around, you're pacing around. 1.00

00:55:17.000 And again, people have been doing that shit forever. 1.00

00:55:19.000 Forever. 0.99

00:55:20.000 I mean, pacing is like an absolute thinkers kind of a thing. 0.99

00:55:23.000 You're trying to solve some shit. 0.95

00:55:25.000 Yeah, that's what's so fascinating about the human animal, right? 0.99

00:55:27.000 It's like we are so many different things.

00:55:29.000 We're biological, but we're also intellectual. 0.91

00:55:33.000 We're creative and loving and silly and mean.

00:55:36.000 And then we're all like living in this physical shell.

00:55:40.000 And how well you take care of your physical shell depends on how the physical shell feels and treats you. 0.99

00:55:46.000 If you abuse it and treat it like shit, then you have this fucking achy Jacked up, sloppy thing that doesn't have any air in it. 1.00

00:55:56.000 You know, you're just tired all the time. 1.00

00:55:58.000 Or if you take care of it, you feel good.

00:55:59.000 And you can make other people feel good too.

00:56:01.000 And it's like we're these weird piles of ideas and life experiences.

00:56:08.000 And we're all just trying to sort through things in real time.

00:56:11.000 And then there's people that take advantage of that.

00:56:13.000 And they'll try to be mean to you if you don't think the way they think.

00:56:17.000 And they'll... 1.00

00:56:18.000 You know, they'll use excuses as to why they're being a fucking asshole. 1.00

00:56:22.000 Choosing fear. 1.00

00:56:23.000 Yeah, but it's just being mean, but you're being mean on the side of good.

00:56:28.000 But again, that's still, yes, 100%, but that's still them, ultimately, they're fearing the other side of the conversation because their ego is kicking on, their fight or flight is literally kicking in.

00:56:39.000 They're like, I don't know enough about whatever this is that I'm talking about to be able to even allow for that conversation to come in because it could totally destroy the scaffolding of what my identity is pinned on.

00:56:50.000 There's a lot of that, yeah.

00:56:51.000 So we have to be empathetic to people in that regard and be like, okay, I understand why you're being so cross.

00:56:56.000 I understand why you're pushing back so much.

00:56:58.000 But ultimately, if we can point out to everybody, hey, work on yourself.

00:57:02.000 Love yourself so that you feel like you can invest in yourself. 0.99

00:57:05.000 And as you love yourself better, you'll recognize how to love other people outside of you better because in order to love yourself, you gotta give yourself a fucking break, man. 0.98

00:57:13.000 You gotta give yourself a break. 0.98

00:57:14.000 And we don't give anybody a break. 0.99

00:57:16.000 Nobody's giving anybody a fucking break anymore. 0.95

00:57:18.000 Like, guys, we're human beings. 1.00

00:57:19.000 We're fucked up. 0.99

00:57:20.000 We're all a little broken and messed up. 1.00

00:57:22.000 And if we can't just acknowledge that and see each other, you know, it doesn't mean, again, it doesn't mean that people aren't assholes on the other side and doing things that need to have boundaries.

00:57:31.000 Loving is not just liking times a thousand.

00:57:35.000 To like something is to like something, but to love something means just recognizing the miracle in the soul across from you.

00:57:43.000 Recognizing that they exist and they are worthy of existing. 1.00

00:57:46.000 They are worthy of being in this space that they're inhabiting, even if they're a fucking asshole. 1.00

00:57:51.000 And then having boundaries with those people so that, you know, it's not a matter of just giving. 1.00

00:57:57.000 People say, like, how do I forgive this person and make sure that they don't do this to me again?

00:58:00.000 I go, no, no.

00:58:01.000 Forgiveness isn't just being like, and we're cool.

00:58:03.000 That's not forgiveness.

00:58:04.000 Forgiveness is recognizing that they didn't do anything to you personally.

00:58:07.000 They did something. 0.76

00:58:08.000 They're acting out of their shitty trauma, their programming, more often than not, you know? 0.94

00:58:13.000 I just also think we have to kind of reward an ethic of trying to be nice and sort of do our best to not reward people that are just constantly being shitty. 0.97

00:58:25.000 Because there's just so many people that are getting attention from being shitty, constantly being shitty. 0.76

00:58:30.000 They're just putting this thing out there. 0.96

00:58:31.000 It's like, alright.

00:58:33.000 That's really what you want to do. 0.99

00:58:34.000 You're putting out this negative energy like constantly, and you're complaining about things, and you're finding reasons to be mean about people, to shit on people. 0.98

00:58:44.000 Because they're terrified. 0.98

00:58:45.000 Well, they're broken, right?

00:58:47.000 Yeah, but deep down, they're very afraid of whatever it is on the other side of that conversation.

00:58:52.000 They're just terrified.

00:58:53.000 And by the way, it's on both sides of the aisle.

00:58:55.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:57.000 Terrified of these ideas this side terrified of these not being able to just come together man.

00:59:01.000 I wish we had I wish we had some like Jedi council of just the smartest deepest most enlightened Deeply empathetic, genius people, symposium,

00:59:17.000 whatever, 20 people, and just allow them to get together and all just agree on like, can we just decide some of these things that we're all fighting about?

00:59:25.000 Can we just come together and make some really neutral ground so we can do this?

00:59:29.000 Do you know of anyone that you would trust to be on that council?

00:59:33.000 Like how many people do you think would have to be on that?

00:59:36.000 I don't know.

00:59:37.000 I mean, again...

00:59:37.000 Let's say nine people.

00:59:38.000 Should we say nine people?

00:59:39.000 Okay.

00:59:40.000 Let's say nine.

00:59:40.000 Nine people.

00:59:41.000 Do you know of nine people whose opinion you would value so highly that they wouldn't say something so egregiously stupid that you'd go, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:59:52.000 You know? 1.00

00:59:54.000 Yeah.

00:59:55.000 See, these people can't be like politicians.

00:59:57.000 They have to be chosen.

00:59:59.000 No, no, no, no, no.

01:00:00.000 They can't be picked.

01:00:01.000 Politicians, oh man, it just breaks my heart. 1.00

01:00:03.000 It breaks my heart how fucked up our entire political system is. 1.00

01:00:06.000 It's so sad. 1.00

01:00:07.000 It is so fucking sad. 0.92

01:00:08.000 It's so weird. 0.98

01:00:09.000 It's so weird and it's so bought.

01:00:12.000 Everyone's bought.

01:00:13.000 The lobbyists bought everything and everyone and we're all just looking around being like, how is this all not working? 0.99

01:00:19.000 It's because the Fucking money, guys! 1.00

01:00:20.000 Just follow the goddamn money. 1.00

01:00:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:23.000 I don't know.

01:00:24.000 I mean, like, the Dalai Lama?

01:00:26.000 You know, like, legitimately, like, I don't know that he's...

01:00:30.000 You know he got canceled?

01:00:31.000 The Dalai Lama got canceled?

01:00:33.000 The Dalai Lama got canceled. 1.00

01:00:34.000 He was saying a bunch of sexist shit. 1.00

01:00:36.000 What? 1.00

01:00:36.000 Yeah, he was, uh... 1.00

01:00:38.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:00:39.000 It was a while back.

01:00:41.000 Let me remember what he was saying.

01:00:43.000 Oh, he was talking about how...

01:00:46.000 He doesn't want to get married, and he sees his friends that are all married, and a lot of times they get divorced and they lose all their money.

01:00:55.000 And then this lady goes, well, sometimes a woman has her own money. 1.00

01:00:58.000 She makes her own money. 0.97

01:00:59.000 He goes, yeah, good one.

01:01:01.000 What?

01:01:02.000 The Dalai Lama said that?

01:01:03.000 Yes, yes.

01:01:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:01:06.000 Dalai Lama got jokes.

01:01:08.000 He made in 2015 that if a female Dalai Lama were to replace him, that she must be very attractive.

01:01:14.000 Otherwise, not so much use.

01:01:18.000 Wow, Dolly.

01:01:19.000 Hello, Dolly.

01:01:20.000 He laughed when asked if he understood why the response had offended women, saying, if female Dalai Lama comes, then she should be more attractive.

01:01:29.000 If female Dalai Lama, before putting on a face, I think, ugly face, people prefer not to see her that face. 1.00

01:01:39.000 The Dalai Lama also said they had not given up hope of returning to Tibet.

01:01:44.000 But there was another thing where he was doing an interview about that.

01:01:50.000 And that's where he said, the woman would say, well, sometimes women have their own money. 1.00

01:01:54.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, good one.

01:01:56.000 Yeah.

01:01:56.000 Well, so here's the thing.

01:01:57.000 Actually, that brings me to another point, which is...

01:02:03.000 This council, these nine people, guess what?

01:02:06.000 What? 0.99

01:02:06.000 They're all still going to have shit about them that somebody's not going to like, right? 0.99

01:02:10.000 Because we're all humans. 0.99

01:02:11.000 At the end of the day, we've all got some weird baggage.

01:02:13.000 We've all got something.

01:02:14.000 But that's why you have such an array and diversity of those people.

01:02:17.000 So that compensates for all of that stuff.

01:02:19.000 So we give the Dalai Lama a pass.

01:02:22.000 I get it.

01:02:23.000 I don't know.

01:02:24.000 So we have nine people.

01:02:25.000 We've got Dalai Lama.

01:02:27.000 Ted Nugent.

01:02:29.000 You know, honestly, man, I... I think one of the deepest thinkers that I've ever heard break down like human behavior and I don't know.

01:02:46.000 Just an understanding of all that stuff and I think good wisdom along with it is Jordan Peterson.

01:02:51.000 I think he would be a person that I would trust.

01:02:54.000 I think that guy has a lot of integrity.

01:02:57.000 That would be somebody too.

01:02:59.000 But I also know Jordan has his own things that people have issues with.

01:03:02.000 I get it.

01:03:03.000 Nobody's perfect.

01:03:04.000 He's kicked off Twitter right now because he said something about Ellen Page.

01:03:09.000 Elliot Page.

01:03:10.000 Calder Ellen Page.

01:03:11.000 I think that was the number one thing.

01:03:14.000 The dead naming.

01:03:16.000 And it's sad, man.

01:03:17.000 Because again, there's a lot of fear and pain on the sides of all that too.

01:03:22.000 My friend Brian Simpson had a very good thing to say about that. 0.99

01:03:26.000 He was like, I come to you for heavy duty intellectual shit. 0.98

01:03:30.000 He goes, not for this. 1.00

01:03:33.000 Yeah, true.

01:03:34.000 This is not a thing to be getting offended about.

01:03:38.000 You don't need to get into all that.

01:03:40.000 I mean, look, it's his life, it's his Twitter, or was his Twitter anyway.

01:03:42.000 But that thing is like, that transgender thing riles people up, man. 1.00

01:03:48.000 That is one of the ones that riles people up.

01:03:51.000 Like, everybody's in favor of everybody doing whatever they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anybody and Until it gets to gender, and then people start getting weird.

01:04:01.000 They start thinking it's a mistake.

01:04:04.000 They start thinking, why are you doing that?

01:04:05.000 They start thinking all kinds of things.

01:04:07.000 It's like, we're so cool with people making all kinds of changes to their body.

01:04:13.000 No one's protesting fake boobs.

01:04:15.000 No one. 1.00

01:04:16.000 I mean, that would just be stupid. 1.00

01:04:18.000 Well, it's one of the most preposterous things a human being has ever done. 1.00

01:04:21.000 You open up a person's chest cavity and put bags of chemicals in there because they feel like real tits. 1.00

01:04:28.000 And everybody's like, yeah, that's what we do. 0.98

01:04:30.000 It's totally normal.

01:04:32.000 And all that's in response to what our beauty norms are, ultimately.

01:04:36.000 Well, it's a response to DNA. Your DNA wants you to see a small waist and big hips and big boobs so that you can feed and nourish the baby. 1.00

01:04:46.000 Yeah, but beauty norms have also shifted a lot over the years, too.

01:04:50.000 Like, there was a long stretch where, like, the thicker the better.

01:04:54.000 Like, you know, ladies in paintings and stuff like that. 0.89

01:04:56.000 Because that meant you were wealthy.

01:04:58.000 That meant you had so much food and wealth and look at me.

01:05:03.000 You know, like, that was totally a thing.

01:05:05.000 So, I don't know.

01:05:06.000 Right, but they didn't have media.

01:05:07.000 The moment they had the ability to see different ones and figure out which ones they liked, things got pretty standard.

01:05:14.000 There's like a certain form that is generally preferred to as being most attractive.

01:05:20.000 But there's also people that have tastes.

01:05:23.000 Like some guys who like this and some people like that.

01:05:27.000 There's all sorts of different tastes.

01:05:28.000 But when it comes to physical attraction, there's like a weird shape.

01:05:33.000 And you can manipulate a man's brain by altering your shape with bags of chemicals.

01:05:39.000 Yeah.

01:05:39.000 It's strange.

01:05:40.000 It's very strange. 0.99

01:05:41.000 And now they're doing it to their butts. 0.99

01:05:43.000 They're doing stuff to their butts to make their butts fake. 1.00

01:05:45.000 And it's just, it's a wild time. 0.95

01:05:49.000 Because it's like, whatever that is, is you're playing with the geometry that's inside a human's mind.

01:05:54.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 Because we all know it's fake.

01:05:56.000 Yeah.

01:05:57.000 That's what's really strange.

01:05:58.000 Well, sometimes you can't tell it's fake.

01:06:00.000 Boobs? 1.00

01:06:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:02.000 Very rarely. 0.99

01:06:03.000 If you get a real pair of them in 2022, you're like, holy shit. 0.99

01:06:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:06:08.000 It's like finding an arrowhead.

01:06:10.000 Look at this.

01:06:12.000 This is wild.

01:06:13.000 Can you believe it? 0.97

01:06:14.000 These are real boobs. 0.51

01:06:15.000 They're out there. 0.98

01:06:16.000 I know they're out there.

01:06:17.000 But it's also like if people get really lean, that's the other thing. 0.96

01:06:21.000 If people are like super lean and cross-fitting and shit like that, it's like your mammary glands are going to be smaller. 0.96

01:06:28.000 Everything's going to be smaller. 0.99

01:06:29.000 Oh yeah, totally.

01:06:30.000 You're going to get lean.

01:06:32.000 Oh, it's like gymnasts.

01:06:33.000 I mean, you know, those girls, they grow up, that's all they're doing their whole life.

01:06:36.000 All of that, a lot of their body growth stunts in those ways because they're just units.

01:06:41.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.96

01:06:44.000 Being a person is just such a fucking strange enterprise. 0.92

01:06:49.000 It's so strange because, you know, when we're thinking about all these different things about human beings, about transgender rights and the Council of Jedis and We've only been around for a short amount of time. 0.98

01:07:02.000 Yeah, we're specs, man.

01:07:04.000 We're talking about 1776. You know, we celebrated Independence Day yesterday.

01:07:09.000 And here we are today.

01:07:10.000 We're filming this, recording this on July 5th.

01:07:14.000 It's only a few hundred years away from the revolution.

01:07:18.000 Oh, yeah, dude. 0.99

01:07:19.000 Less than 300 years ago that shit happened. 0.96

01:07:21.000 But also, you know, it's one of the things I always like to point out to people. 0.99

01:07:24.000 Like, you know, what are you chasing if you're trying to chase some kind of monument of yourself?

01:07:29.000 Like, what are...

01:07:30.000 All the people that are so wealthy and are trying...

01:07:33.000 Like, maybe if I make enough money, I'll be remembered forever. 1.00

01:07:37.000 Bullshit. 0.99

01:07:37.000 It's never going to happen. 0.99

01:07:38.000 There are...

01:07:39.000 I mean, how many people...

01:07:40.000 We're involved in the founding of this country. 0.99

01:07:42.000 We don't know their names for fucking anybody. 0.99

01:07:46.000 You don't. 0.99

01:07:46.000 They're not even footnotes anymore. 0.99

01:07:49.000 We know Jefferson.

01:07:49.000 We know quite a few people.

01:07:50.000 Certainly.

01:07:50.000 But there were so many people that were involved in all this stuff.

01:07:53.000 Also, go back farther.

01:07:55.000 Emperors that held power over entire empires.

01:08:00.000 Somebody can be marched into their throne room, and they can look at them and be like, give me the sword.

01:08:06.000 Pop! 0.96

01:08:06.000 Head off. 0.96

01:08:06.000 Nobody does anything about it. 0.96

01:08:08.000 They have ultimate power.

01:08:09.000 We don't remember all of their names.

01:08:10.000 They're all forgotten.

01:08:11.000 So what are people hanging on to all this stuff for?

01:08:14.000 You're going to, in a hundred years, It's not going to even be a conversation.

01:08:19.000 Life will have moved on, or a meteor will have hit us by that point.

01:08:22.000 Who knows?

01:08:23.000 We're confused.

01:08:24.000 We're confused in the fact that human beings are constantly trying to do the same things that corporations are trying to do. 0.96

01:08:33.000 We're constantly trying to do better and constantly trying to stack up more shit, buy more stuff, have more success. 0.96

01:08:42.000 But why? 0.98

01:08:43.000 Yeah, we don't know why.

01:08:44.000 Because we're afraid of not being enough.

01:08:46.000 Well, it's also because there's some sort of an innate desire to constantly feed into the creation of new things.

01:08:53.000 Whatever we do as a culture, one of the things that we do is we create new things all the time, constantly.

01:08:58.000 Certainly.

01:08:58.000 New televisions, better phones, better cameras.

01:09:00.000 Which is great.

01:09:01.000 Progress, you're not going to stop progress.

01:09:02.000 You can only guide it.

01:09:04.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:05.000 It's going to keep marching forward.

01:09:07.000 We're going to keep having new things and new things and new things and new things.

01:09:09.000 I just wish that we did it not because it's all status, which is so much of what it has become.

01:09:14.000 It's not because the thing actually has a great utility, although there's that as well.

01:09:18.000 But like these little black mirrors, man, I mean, they are...

01:09:22.000 They are the greatest Swiss army knife ever created in the history of mankind.

01:09:27.000 You can do more things with that one thing.

01:09:29.000 I mean, it's insane what you can do.

01:09:31.000 And it's also the deepest narcissist pool to stare into because you just get lost in all of that nonsense that you're comparing yourself to all the time, which then drives that consumerism even more.

01:09:43.000 You're like, I gotta have the thing, the thing, the thing.

01:09:45.000 It's also a tracking device that the government uses to listen to this very conversation.

01:09:49.000 They don't even have to use Spotify.

01:09:51.000 They can just listen to it on our phones.

01:09:53.000 I've heard, in fact, I think I even heard somebody on your podcast once talk about how that's not true, that they don't listen through our phones.

01:10:01.000 Listen to me.

01:10:02.000 It's 100% possible for them to do that.

01:10:04.000 I think it is too, because the advertisements that I get on my phones are far too specific.

01:10:09.000 And I don't believe it's something like triangulation because of whatever.

01:10:11.000 I've heard people talk about that.

01:10:13.000 No, no, no, no.

01:10:13.000 I was talking about a very specific thing, and that very specific thing popped up on my phone.

01:10:18.000 They have to be listening to me.

01:10:19.000 It's not uncommon, and it's never admitted to.

01:10:24.000 No, ever. 0.99

01:10:25.000 But that's just normal shit. 1.00

01:10:27.000 That's normal shit. 1.00

01:10:28.000 The tracking you're getting from advertising, the cross-platform tracking from apps to apps, that's all normal shit. 1.00

01:10:34.000 The real shit is the government is listening to your fucking phone. 1.00

01:10:37.000 Oh, you're talking specifically about the government? 1.00

01:10:39.000 Yeah, anytime they want, they can listen to your phone.

01:10:42.000 I had Gavin DeBecker on, and he explained these Pegasus softwares. 0.97

01:10:48.000 He's like, the original Pegasus, the one they used Jeff Bezos, they got dick pics from him and shit like that. 0.98

01:10:55.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:10:57.000 The government got Bezos dick pics? 0.99

01:10:59.000 It's not the government. 0.96

01:11:00.000 There's an Israeli spyware called Pegasus, and another government, the Saudi Arabian government, tapped into his phone, and they sent him a WhatsApp link.

01:11:12.000 And the WhatsApp link, he clicked on it.

01:11:14.000 And when he clicked on it, it downloaded malware into his phone.

01:11:18.000 Wow.

01:11:19.000 And it allowed them to literally see everything that's on his phone.

01:11:22.000 He goes, that's Pegasus 1. He's like, Pegasus 2?

01:11:25.000 They don't even need you to click a link.

01:11:27.000 Like, the government can just hit a switch and they're connected to your phone.

01:11:31.000 And just send you the malware.

01:11:32.000 No, there's no malware anymore.

01:11:33.000 They can just tap into your phone.

01:11:35.000 Oh, got it, got it.

01:11:36.000 They use this.

01:11:37.000 You don't have any idea they're doing it, and they're listening to your phone.

01:11:40.000 You're reading all your emails.

01:11:42.000 They're reading all your text messages.

01:11:44.000 And he's like, this is a 100% real technology that's available right now to governments.

01:11:50.000 So let me ask you a question then.

01:11:54.000 So what's the prognosis?

01:11:56.000 What is the world going to be like in 10 years if these technologies are not just very real, but very much being implemented, and they're just the tip of whatever this particular iceberg is?

01:12:08.000 Well, it depends, Zach, on whether or not you're going to be compliant.

01:12:11.000 If you're going to be compliant, we're going to have a good time.

01:12:12.000 We're going to have a good time together, but we're going to need equity.

01:12:15.000 We're going to need equality and equity and a lot of other words that make you give up all of your sovereignty and your power and rights.

01:12:25.000 We're all going to be together in one cubicle, just mushed in together.

01:12:30.000 No one has a better life.

01:12:32.000 Well...

01:12:33.000 Yeah, that's terrifying. 0.97

01:12:34.000 But I think that we can help everybody have a better life and not go down some dystopian weird shit like that. 0.76

01:12:41.000 It's definitely possible.

01:12:42.000 Because everyone, again, everyone needs to be loved.

01:12:46.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:12:47.000 That's what every human person wants.

01:12:51.000 Every human person wants love.

01:12:53.000 That's it.

01:12:54.000 Needs.

01:12:55.000 Needs love.

01:12:56.000 Yeah, and when they don't get it, they get sick.

01:12:58.000 That's what happens.

01:12:59.000 When people are really angry and they lash out, it's almost always, like, if we looked at love like a quantitative thing, like, oh, look at there, Zach, you're low in vitamin D. If they could say, oh, you have, like, 10% love, this is not good.

01:13:12.000 Yeah.

01:13:13.000 Like, you need way more love.

01:13:14.000 Yes.

01:13:14.000 The problem is we just can't measure it.

01:13:16.000 But if you went to a doctor and you're like, I'm depressed.

01:13:19.000 And they had some kind of, yeah.

01:13:20.000 And they're like, oh my god, this is right here, it's love, you're missing love.

01:13:22.000 I mean, trust me, man.

01:13:23.000 I struggle with depression So much throughout my life.

01:13:27.000 Even as a kid, I didn't know I was depressed or dealing with anxiety or whatever.

01:13:32.000 Did you find different methods that helped you relieve it?

01:13:35.000 Yeah.

01:13:35.000 Well, so, yeah.

01:13:37.000 Ultimately, at 37, I talk about it in the book, but at 37, when I moved out to Austin, I had a whole meltdown.

01:13:45.000 And thank God, I was surrounded by some friends and family that helped kind of pick me up and get me to this program that's up.

01:13:53.000 And they operate out of...

01:13:54.000 Southern California, Connecticut, and I chose to go to Connecticut for three weeks of this super intensive, life-changing, life-saving therapy.

01:14:03.000 I threw the psychological kitchen sink at it.

01:14:06.000 It was three weeks, every day, at least three or four appointments that were one of either a psychiatrist, psychotherapist, Dialectic behavioral therapist, art therapist,

01:14:23.000 meditation therapist, life coach, nutritionist, gym four days a week, yoga twice a week, Pilates twice a week.

01:14:29.000 And that helped me tremendously, and I learned a lot of modalities and things from all of that.

01:14:34.000 But that wasn't until, you know, five years ago. 0.99

01:14:36.000 The rest of my life, I'd been coping by fucking... 1.00

01:14:38.000 Boozing and drugging and sexing, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:14:40.000 I didn't realize how much self-medicating I was doing for so long.

01:14:44.000 And I wish that there would have been some way for anyone to be able to be like, I'm just going to see what your levels are.

01:14:52.000 Because I didn't even know.

01:14:53.000 I didn't know that what I was constantly feeling all the time.

01:14:56.000 Well, anxiety, I was constantly feeling all the time.

01:14:59.000 Depression would hit me in these moments where...

01:15:03.000 Basically, I'd have massive dopamine crashes, as I think I've come to find out.

01:15:07.000 I would finish a job, or I'd get out of a relationship, or I wouldn't be working for a while, and all of a sudden it's like, I'm worthless, I'm worthless, I'm worthless.

01:15:16.000 Work always kept me buoyed.

01:15:18.000 If I'm at work, it's dopamine all day long.

01:15:20.000 Particularly on a movie set or whatever.

01:15:22.000 It's all just a bunch of little puzzles.

01:15:23.000 You're just solving little problems all day long.

01:15:25.000 Dopamine, dopamine, dopamine, dopamine.

01:15:27.000 Being on a Broadway stage.

01:15:28.000 You got a thousand people.

01:15:29.000 I mean, you understand the rush of a live audience. 1.00

01:15:32.000 Fuck, you're feeding off of that energy. 1.00

01:15:33.000 You know and you're playing jazz with this crowd. 1.00

01:15:35.000 I mean it's incredible so much dopamine and I would get off you know doing a Broadway show I'd be flying after the show and then I would go to the bar with some of my cast mates and I would be drinking whiskey gingers like Till 3 in the morning because I didn't even have to be at work the next day until 6 p.m.

01:15:51.000 Or whatever and it was all just a ton of Self-medicating because I didn't love myself and I didn't know that I didn't love myself and Wow, so you just thought you were partying.

01:16:02.000 Yeah, basically.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 I think that's what a lot of people think.

01:16:05.000 You have a moment where it just comes crashing down.

01:16:08.000 Is it a moment?

01:16:08.000 Is it a series of moments?

01:16:09.000 No, it was like, you know, I had this big dream, still do, of moving out here, buying a bunch of land, building a movie studio slash arts commune slash resort.

01:16:20.000 That's kind of like a new United Artists studio.

01:16:21.000 Someone sounds like a cult leader.

01:16:24.000 Why do you think I came to Texas, bro?

01:16:27.000 And so, you know, head full of steam and dreams and all that, and I was so convinced, like, this is what I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.

01:16:33.000 I want to make a better Hollywood, all these things.

01:16:35.000 Right.

01:16:35.000 And I came out, but I had, like, my work life wasn't great at the moment.

01:16:40.000 Like, the jobs I was doing, I wasn't stoked with.

01:16:42.000 I was, again, feeling like a failure.

01:16:44.000 I had just broken up with this girl, wonderful girl, who was from Austin, who probably would have moved here with me, but I self-sabotaged it all and was like, no, I don't think this is going to work.

01:16:52.000 And I came out here, I had no real support structure, and my friends and family had a beautiful community in Los Angeles, but I was like, I gotta go.

01:16:58.000 I feel compelled, I gotta go do this, I gotta go buy this land.

01:17:01.000 And I'm really grateful that I did, but I didn't do it in the healthiest of ways.

01:17:05.000 And so I ended up out here, and I was alone.

01:17:07.000 And I was deeply, deeply feeling like, oh, I've blown up my life.

01:17:12.000 I don't feel support. 0.96

01:17:14.000 I didn't feel like I felt like a lot of my friends and family were watching me Go in this kind of almost manic state of like I gotta fuck you know like just if I don't do it now I'm not gonna do it and I knew I had to get out of California like California was has been broken for so long and I'd love California I'm from California, 0.84

01:17:29.000 but it's it's just so busted in so many ways But so I came out had nobody had no real support structure work wasn't great love life wasn't great all these things were just like falling down on me and so Massive just Spiral into darkness. 0.99

01:17:42.000 Damn. 0.98

01:17:43.000 Yeah, it was gnarly. 1.00

01:17:45.000 I mean, even went to...

01:17:46.000 I mean, I was definitely considering killing myself, and it wasn't the first time that I'd ideated on certain thoughts like that.

01:17:53.000 If ultimately committing suicide is like a 10-rung ladder, I was at rung 9 a couple of times.

01:18:01.000 A couple of times in my life, yeah.

01:18:02.000 It was gnarly.

01:18:03.000 But I didn't realize that the reason why you get there is because your hormones are all completely out of whack.

01:18:10.000 My dopamine, my serotonin, my norepinephrine, all these things that are typically, you know, and me going and drugging and boozing doesn't help balance those things either.

01:18:20.000 But you don't know that.

01:18:20.000 You're just chasing.

01:18:21.000 Like, I got to be happy.

01:18:23.000 I don't know how else to get through all this stuff, you know?

01:18:25.000 Yeah.

01:18:26.000 So all of that just came...

01:18:27.000 Oh, I quit smoking when I moved here, too.

01:18:30.000 Like all this, everything!

01:18:32.000 It was so intense.

01:18:33.000 But anyway, this place changed my life.

01:18:37.000 It saved my life.

01:18:38.000 But I will also mention, though, that It gave me a lot of understanding of my own psychology and just psychology in general, I suppose.

01:18:46.000 But I'm learning all these things about how to, like, love yourself more.

01:18:49.000 That's great.

01:18:50.000 You can learn all that knowledge.

01:18:51.000 But if you still don't believe that you are worthy of being loved, you won't apply any of it.

01:18:56.000 You don't care about any of it.

01:18:57.000 You don't see the value in yourself to want to put that work in, you know?

01:19:02.000 And so, thank God, there was this woman... 0.97

01:19:04.000 Her name is Beth in the book.

01:19:06.000 She was... 0.97

01:19:07.000 We had these, like...

01:19:09.000 Like, companions, basically.

01:19:11.000 Like, house moms.

01:19:12.000 Because if somebody's not in a very good place, you can't depend on them to, like, get up and, like, make themselves breakfast and get to your appointments and all that kind of jazz.

01:19:20.000 It was a very nice place that really took care of you.

01:19:23.000 It was built for, like, CEOs that were having massive burnout and all that jazz.

01:19:28.000 Like, lots of depression and things of that nature.

01:19:31.000 But anyway, we had these companions and they would rotate through.

01:19:34.000 Lovely women, all of them. 1.00

01:19:36.000 But there was one, Beth, who... 1.00

01:19:39.000 Was a mom of three kids, just like me and my sisters, middle boy between two girls.

01:19:43.000 And her son also struggled with mental health.

01:19:46.000 And she turned out to be this angel, man.

01:19:51.000 Like this total God loved me through that woman in the most intense, amazing ways.

01:19:56.000 And she doesn't take credit like she did it.

01:19:58.000 She knows she was just a vessel.

01:19:59.000 She was just a tool that God got to show me.

01:20:02.000 Mother's love like really kind of for the first not the first time I know my mom loved me and tried to do her best particularly I've done I've done all the therapy I know that my mom did her best but it still left me with so many holes Particularly with that maternal you know trauma and so this woman ended up at least like just lighting the the pilot light you know just getting me started so that I could didn't you know take that journey on and go go about it more on my own and There's real people like that out there,

01:20:30.000 right? 0.99

01:20:30.000 That term healer is a gross word because a lot of people use it when they're just crazy charlatans. 0.99

01:20:36.000 But there are people out there that are capable of helping you heal because they're so kind and so loving that the feeling you get when you're around them is like a medicine.

01:20:47.000 Yeah.

01:20:47.000 It's like how we were talking about if you could register love, like if you could look in your blood and go, oh, your zinc levels are good, but your love is down.

01:20:56.000 If that was a real thing, I bet we would think about it differently, because then we would think about it as something, because now that we can measure it, we would think about it as something that's actually a tangible physical thing that's necessary.

01:21:08.000 But it is.

01:21:08.000 We know it, in fact, in terms of the way people feel.

01:21:12.000 I think that the best Thing we can do, the best proxy, which is not even a best proxy.

01:21:19.000 It actually works quite well, which is getting your level checked is going into a therapist and sitting down and talking about some stuff.

01:21:27.000 And allowing them, you know, a professional, to be able to assess, like, are you feeling anxious?

01:21:32.000 Are you feeling depressed?

01:21:33.000 Are you feeling lost?

01:21:35.000 Are you feeling angry?

01:21:36.000 You know, get all these things out.

01:21:38.000 They can then be that mirror back and say, hey, I think that maybe you're operating in this world.

01:21:43.000 And let's help, you know, psychologically, you know, chiropractor you back into being a happier, healthier version, stronger version of yourself.

01:21:52.000 Because it would be great to just be like, boop, there you go, there's the level.

01:21:57.000 But therapists are, I mean, that's why I think everybody needs to go to therapy.

01:22:00.000 Not everybody needs to go to therapy to live.

01:22:02.000 Like plenty of people don't go to therapy and they live their life and whatever, but I ultimately think that we would all benefit no matter what.

01:22:08.000 No matter what.

01:22:08.000 Even people that are super together to just go to talk to a professional about even a few things.

01:22:13.000 It just gets those extra kinks out and helps you live a stronger, more vibrant life and better version of yourself. 0.96

01:22:20.000 The sensory deprivation tank is like going to a therapist in a lot of ways.

01:22:24.000 You're forced to look at your thoughts.

01:22:26.000 You're forced to sit there and sit with them.

01:22:28.000 If you're the type of person that examines your thoughts, If you don't, you're going to go on some weird ride when you're in there.

01:22:35.000 But when you are the type of person that examines your thoughts, you're left alone with them.

01:22:39.000 You don't feel your body at all.

01:22:41.000 You're really alone with your thoughts. 0.95

01:22:43.000 Some of them look really silly when they're by themselves. 0.85

01:22:46.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:22:47.000 Yeah.

01:22:47.000 I think psilocybin gives some real introspection like that, too.

01:22:52.000 You're just asking, like your ego, like the way it can melt ego.

01:22:56.000 Sure.

01:22:56.000 And just be sitting there like, why am I so hung up on this thing or that thing?

01:23:00.000 Or why am I afraid of this or that, you know?

01:23:02.000 Or it'll show you.

01:23:03.000 Yeah, totally.

01:23:04.000 It'll just stick it right in front of your face. 0.99

01:23:05.000 Like, this is it, dummy. 0.98

01:23:07.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

01:23:08.000 Get it together, bitch. 1.00

01:23:09.000 For real. 1.00

01:23:10.000 I'm definitely going to come back and use that sensory deprivation tank.

01:23:13.000 One time.

01:23:13.000 Come on by.

01:23:14.000 I'm going to do it so bad.

01:23:15.000 Yeah.

01:23:16.000 I've heard so many great things about it, but I've just never had access to it.

01:23:19.000 Well, there's a place in Austin that rents them out.

01:23:22.000 We should tell people.

01:23:22.000 What is that?

01:23:23.000 There's a float place.

01:23:27.000 Oh, is it called something like Float?

01:23:29.000 I think it might be actually called Float, yeah.

01:23:32.000 Float House?

01:23:33.000 Yeah.

01:23:34.000 Hold on a second.

01:23:34.000 I'll tell you right now.

01:23:35.000 I know there's the Ocean Lab does it, and there might be a place called Float also.

01:23:40.000 Yeah.

01:23:42.000 Kevin Johnson is the guy who owns it.

01:23:45.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just called Float.

01:23:48.000 Yep, that's it.

01:23:51.000 What are those sessions normally when you think?

01:23:54.000 Like a hundred bucks for an hour?

01:23:56.000 Probably something like that.

01:23:56.000 I don't know what they charge.

01:23:59.000 The Float Lab is the place that I got my tank from and they're the premier float tank manufacturers.

01:24:06.000 They're in Venice.

01:24:07.000 And so my friend Crash runs that place.

01:24:10.000 He's got one in Venice and I think they also have another one still and I believe it's in Westwood.

01:24:15.000 California, but they make the best tanks. 0.99

01:24:17.000 Did you see all that crazy gear and shit? 0.99

01:24:19.000 It's all like, bro. 0.99

01:24:20.000 I was like, oh wow, this is a commitment. 0.99

01:24:22.000 You need a whole ass room. 1.00

01:24:24.000 Yeah, you need a whole room for a float tank. 1.00

01:24:26.000 But he can make a smaller one with still adequate filtration, but that's like top of the food chain commercial filtration.

01:24:32.000 I expect nothing less here at the Joe Rogan Experience.

01:24:35.000 They sell some for your home, though, that have a smaller footprint and they're still, like if it's just going to be you using it, you don't have to worry about people What if I want that, Joe?

01:24:47.000 What if I want that?

01:24:48.000 Stop yucking other people's yum, okay?

01:24:50.000 You just have to ask the person who goes before you.

01:24:52.000 That'll make it more buoyant, bro.

01:24:53.000 Do me a favor.

01:24:56.000 He'd go in there and it smells like asparagus. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:25:02.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:25:03.000 How do you clean that? 1.00

01:25:04.000 I mean, I guess it's just a big salty room.

01:25:06.000 Do you have to clean it?

01:25:06.000 Well, that whole thing actually has a commercial water filtration system.

01:25:10.000 Oh, so it just...

01:25:10.000 Okay, got it, got it.

01:25:11.000 That takes out everything.

01:25:14.000 And then it goes through ozone.

01:25:16.000 There's a whole series of things that it kills things through.

01:25:20.000 I think it goes through LED light, too. 0.98

01:25:23.000 There's like a lot of shit that goes on before it pours into the, and it cycles out. 0.97

01:25:27.000 Like it constantly does. 0.99

01:25:28.000 It has a jacuzzi pump and it cycles out.

01:25:31.000 It's slick.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, so it's on a timer.

01:25:32.000 So it's like, I forget what time of the day, but every time of the day it'll just like, weee, like cycles all the water.

01:25:38.000 Because it has to.

01:25:39.000 It's actually, there's so much salt in there.

01:25:41.000 It gums up the gears.

01:25:42.000 Can you hear that going when you're in the tank or is it?

01:25:45.000 It won't go when you're in the tank.

01:25:47.000 What you do is you set it to only go like four in the morning or something like that.

01:25:51.000 I'm definitely getting a cold plunge, that's for sure.

01:25:54.000 I've had friends that have been so hot on it.

01:25:55.000 I've done it a bit in my life, but not consistently.

01:25:58.000 That's a great way to raise your endorphin levels, more epinephrine.

01:26:03.000 The feeling you get after a cold plunge is really wild.

01:26:06.000 I love it.

01:26:07.000 I just have never had a consistent access to a proper cold plunge. 1.00

01:26:11.000 Yeah, I do that shit. 0.99

01:26:13.000 I try to do it at least three times a week, if not four. 1.00

01:26:16.000 Sauna I do almost every day.

01:26:18.000 I'm up to almost every day on the sauna.

01:26:20.000 How hot do you get in there?

01:26:22.000 185 degrees.

01:26:23.000 That's what I like.

01:26:24.000 That's so hot.

01:26:25.000 It's not as hot as Laird Hamilton gets in the 200s. 1.00

01:26:28.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:26:29.000 Dude, that guy's a monster. 1.00

01:26:32.000 He's a monster. 0.98

01:26:32.000 Like those exercises he does where he just hold rocks down at the bottom of the ocean. 0.98

01:26:37.000 Walk around with rocks.

01:26:37.000 Yeah, just walking around like, oh my gosh.

01:26:39.000 He's from the ocean.

01:26:40.000 He's a unit.

01:26:41.000 He does an Airdyne bike in the sauna with oven mitts on. 0.99

01:26:46.000 So he gets that sauna cranked up to 200 fucking degrees. 1.00

01:26:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:26:50.000 That guy's gonna survive anything. 1.00

01:26:52.000 Yeah, well, he's, you know, he's very health conscious.

01:26:56.000 We have his coffee here.

01:26:57.000 He made a coffee machine for me.

01:27:00.000 It's like Laird Hamilton's superfood coffee machine.

01:27:02.000 And if you press a button, it'll make you like a turmeric coffee, like coffee with coconut milk and turmeric.

01:27:09.000 It's really good.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:10.000 Yeah, and it's like he's got them with cacao and Why aren't we having one of those?

01:27:15.000 Jesus, Joe.

01:27:16.000 Well, I drink that sometimes, too.

01:27:18.000 The problem with that, though, honestly, is it does make me...

01:27:20.000 It gives me, like, phlegm.

01:27:22.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:23.000 And it makes me...

01:27:24.000 It fucks up conversations.

01:27:26.000 Totally understood.

01:27:27.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 Totally understood.

01:27:28.000 You can get your mouth gummed up.

01:27:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:27:30.000 I do it all the time still, so if you hear me going...

01:27:33.000 That's what that is, most of the time.

01:27:35.000 Yeah, it gives you phlegm or something, whatever it's doing.

01:27:39.000 But anyway, it's really good for you.

01:27:41.000 And he's just very much into foods that are anti-inflammatory, things like turmeric and stuff like that.

01:27:46.000 But we all should be.

01:27:47.000 Yeah.

01:27:48.000 I mean, by the way, that's another thing that terrifies me, which is the whole save soil and what's going on with our top soil everywhere in the world. 0.99

01:27:56.000 Like, what the fuck, dude? 0.99

01:27:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:58.000 What the fuck is about to happen? 1.00

01:27:59.000 What is going to happen? 0.99

01:28:00.000 I don't know.

01:28:01.000 When you don't have regenerative practices of farming, you're supposed to...

01:28:07.000 Farmers forever have been taking their compost and they've been taking food scraps and all these different things and using them to create healthy bacteria and then using that on their soil.

01:28:21.000 They've been doing that forever and we don't do that anymore.

01:28:24.000 And we monocrop with fertilizer.

01:28:25.000 And it's killing everything.

01:28:27.000 It's not how it's supposed to be.

01:28:28.000 And this is the problem with people, even people that think that they're doing well by only eating plants.

01:28:34.000 Well, you're definitely probably contributing to some factors less, but you're also contributing to monocrop agriculture, which is one of the most degenerative practices we know of. 0.97

01:28:43.000 To get thousands and thousands of acres and just plant one crop is kind of fucking crazy. 0.97

01:28:49.000 It's kind of crazy. 0.87

01:28:51.000 I mean, I didn't know how crazy it was until I knew how crazy it was, because I didn't know really anything about farming.

01:28:57.000 But once it came to my attention, like, oh no, that's not what you're supposed to do.

01:29:00.000 You're supposed to rotate the crops because they have different, essentially, profiles of how they grow and what they suck in.

01:29:05.000 I mean, man, we should be planting...

01:29:09.000 Fields and fields and fields of industrial hemp to do so many amazing things with, including sucking a bunch of carbon out of the atmosphere.

01:29:17.000 They kill a lot of animals to do those monocrop agriculture setups. 0.99

01:29:21.000 They kill a lot of animals. 1.00

01:29:23.000 They displace a lot of animals, and a lot of animals get chopped up in those fucking gears when they're harvesting. 1.00

01:29:29.000 Yeah, like prairie dogs and stuff like that. 1.00

01:29:31.000 They kill a lot of shit. 0.99

01:29:34.000 And it's just not supposed to be that way. 1.00

01:29:37.000 If you really love nature, you would not love that.

01:29:40.000 Because that is the worst.

01:29:42.000 That is like some sort of a distortion of what nature is.

01:29:46.000 When you drive by some crazy cornfields, it's like, whoa, those are kind of nuts. 0.99

01:29:50.000 Like, look how much fucking corn they got here. 0.99

01:29:53.000 And that corn's all going to feed. 1.00

01:29:55.000 Most of it, yeah.

01:29:56.000 Most of it's soy and corn. 0.99

01:29:57.000 It's all just going to fucking feed. 0.99

01:29:58.000 And ethanol. 0.99

01:29:58.000 And guess what? 0.99

01:29:59.000 Cows aren't even supposed to eat that. 1.00

01:30:00.000 They're not even supposed to eat it.

01:30:01.000 It's so...

01:30:02.000 It does make them fat and delicious when they do.

01:30:05.000 I'm not saying they should eat it.

01:30:08.000 I prefer grass-fed meat anyway.

01:30:10.000 It tastes better.

01:30:12.000 Oh, guaranteed.

01:30:13.000 It feels better for you.

01:30:13.000 Yeah, guaranteed.

01:30:14.000 And it's just, you don't feel bad.

01:30:16.000 That's what they're supposed to be doing.

01:30:17.000 They're supposed to be eating grass. 1.00

01:30:18.000 If you stuff them full of fucking marshmallows and corn... 1.00

01:30:22.000 Wagyu freaks me out the most. 1.00

01:30:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:30:25.000 Because they basically made the sickest, most obese cows.

01:30:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:29.000 Just so they're more tender and delicious.

01:30:32.000 And you know what, though?

01:30:33.000 I will say, I've had some good Wagyu.

01:30:36.000 I have.

01:30:37.000 But sometimes I have and I'm like, this is too much.

01:30:39.000 This isn't enough.

01:30:41.000 It's almost too buttery.

01:30:43.000 Right.

01:30:43.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:44.000 I want a little more steak.

01:30:45.000 I want something more than that.

01:30:47.000 More of a chew to it.

01:30:48.000 But going back to people who are more plant-based in their diets, One of the other things I find fascinating, which is I think I actually learned it on this podcast, which was how now we recognize that plants are way more intelligent than we've given them credit for for so long and communicate with each other and help each other.

01:31:08.000 And with all the mushrooms connecting...

01:31:12.000 What is that called?

01:31:14.000 Mycelium.

01:31:15.000 Mycelium.

01:31:15.000 Thank you.

01:31:16.000 All that, all going on.

01:31:18.000 So it's like, well, you don't want to...

01:31:21.000 Friends of mine are vegan.

01:31:22.000 They don't want to...

01:31:24.000 Eat food because they don't want to kill an animal because they see a soul.

01:31:28.000 They connect a soul or something to that.

01:31:29.000 I go, okay.

01:31:30.000 But these trees might actually have some kind of a presence in them, even though they can't verbalize or do the things that animals do.

01:31:37.000 How do you know that they also don't have some kind?

01:31:39.000 I mean, like the studies where they played certain music or they taught those ferns that they were dropping.

01:31:45.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:46.000 They learned.

01:31:47.000 The plant learned something.

01:31:49.000 You know they can hear?

01:31:49.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:31:51.000 Yeah, they can hear sounds.

01:31:52.000 The sounds of grasshoppers eating them.

01:31:55.000 And they'll change their flavor profile.

01:31:57.000 Yes.

01:31:57.000 So you go, well, what is that?

01:31:59.000 What is that?

01:32:00.000 What is that?

01:32:00.000 If not some form of life intelligence.

01:32:03.000 I don't know that they're on par with animals.

01:32:06.000 I don't know that they're not.

01:32:07.000 But we make these really interesting kind of arbitrary moral stands, I think, sometimes.

01:32:14.000 And being like, well, animals are more of a life than a tree.

01:32:17.000 And it's like, I don't know.

01:32:19.000 I don't know that you can stand on that and still have the moral high ground.

01:32:22.000 You just don't want suffering, right?

01:32:25.000 Really the best thing to eat if you don't want suffering is shellfish. 1.00

01:32:28.000 Because they can't fill shit. 0.99

01:32:30.000 Like if you eat like clams and scallops and stuff, yeah, there's a real good argument for vegans eating shellfish. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Because they're so primitive.

01:32:39.000 They just move.

01:32:41.000 They don't have minds.

01:32:43.000 There's no nervous system to speak of, like ours, that can register pain.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, scalps don't. 0.99

01:32:49.000 They don't even bleed.

01:32:50.000 Like when you cut an oyster out, they're not bleeding.

01:32:54.000 Right.

01:32:55.000 They're so primitive, but they're a source of meat.

01:32:59.000 It's a very strange animal because it doesn't really think.

01:33:03.000 It just closes, opens and closes.

01:33:05.000 It's a muscle, literally just one muscle.

01:33:07.000 But because it moves like that, we consider it an animal.

01:33:10.000 And then if you look at the protein and the amino acid, if you look at the content of an actual oyster, it's much more like an animal or a fish than it is like a plant. 0.97

01:33:21.000 So it's not a plant, but it's dumber than a plant. 0.97

01:33:25.000 Right. 0.99

01:33:25.000 They're more primitive than plants. 0.99

01:33:27.000 So it's like you'd be a mean person to eat a lettuce over a oyster.

01:33:33.000 Interesting. 1.00

01:33:33.000 Because oysters are dumb as fuck. 1.00

01:33:36.000 Well, don't fish in general lack a lot of nervous system or something? 1.00

01:33:41.000 I don't buy that, dude, because they fucking freak out when you hook them. 0.98

01:33:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:45.000 And they seem to be in pain when you cut into them. 0.99

01:33:50.000 If you gut a fish, They look like they're in pain.

01:33:53.000 I don't buy it at all.

01:33:54.000 I just think they can't scream.

01:33:57.000 I think, oh, they're kind of fulfilled.

01:34:00.000 I don't know if they- I was at a sushi restaurant in Tokyo before.

01:34:03.000 You've been to Tokyo, right?

01:34:04.000 Yes, I have. 0.96

01:34:05.000 Oh, man, I fucking love that place so much. 0.98

01:34:06.000 Fascinating place. 0.98

01:34:07.000 So cool.

01:34:08.000 Japan is just a cool spot.

01:34:09.000 But I was at a sushi restaurant there once, and it was like a small one.

01:34:13.000 We're sitting at a table.

01:34:14.000 There's a tank right kind of above where we're sitting.

01:34:18.000 And there was fresh fish in the tank.

01:34:21.000 They would take the fish out.

01:34:23.000 Filet aside off the fish and put the fish back in the tank.

01:34:26.000 Oh my god.

01:34:27.000 And the fish would just keep swimming around waiting for the other half of it to be taken off.

01:34:32.000 Oh my god.

01:34:32.000 I was like, this is a thing?

01:34:35.000 I couldn't believe it.

01:34:36.000 But the fish didn't seem phased.

01:34:38.000 It didn't seem like it was wigging out and freaking out.

01:34:40.000 So I was like, maybe there is some truth to this.

01:34:42.000 Or maybe it's just that type of fish or whatever.

01:34:44.000 I don't know.

01:34:45.000 But it was a trip, bro.

01:34:47.000 I've heard that same argument about lobsters.

01:34:49.000 Like that lobsters can't feel pain.

01:34:51.000 But then you throw them in the water.

01:34:52.000 They freak out.

01:34:53.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 I mean, they freak out a little.

01:34:55.000 Hopefully you put them in the tempered water and then you slowly cook them.

01:34:59.000 Yeah?

01:35:00.000 Is that what you're supposed to do?

01:35:00.000 Yeah, right?

01:35:01.000 Like a frog in a pot.

01:35:03.000 Oh, really?

01:35:04.000 Oh, no, maybe just frogs because they jump out. 0.74

01:35:05.000 Yeah, lobsters you're supposed to boil the fuck out of. 0.99

01:35:08.000 No, no, I know, but I thought you started, you put them in like regular water and then you just slowly boil. 0.51

01:35:12.000 Just to trick them?

01:35:13.000 Yeah, well, I don't know.

01:35:15.000 Well, we're kind of like really compassionate lobster eaters. 0.99

01:35:18.000 We want to kill them, but we don't want them to know we're going to kill them. 0.99

01:35:21.000 Hey, listen, man. 1.00

01:35:22.000 You know, sometimes a lobster's got some feelings they need to process.

01:35:25.000 I don't know if they do, though.

01:35:26.000 I think that's the question.

01:35:27.000 I think there's a real legitimate debate as to whether or not they can actually feel anything.

01:35:32.000 Did you know that they...

01:35:34.000 Can grow indefinitely?

01:35:36.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 And they will if they don't get predated?

01:35:39.000 Like, that's so crazy to me that a lobster could just basically keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:35:43.000 Like, that's crazy.

01:35:44.000 They found one recently that was 100 years old. 0.99

01:35:47.000 Damn. 0.99

01:35:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:48.000 See if you can find that. 1.00

01:35:49.000 They found, I think, I'm 99% positive it was 100 years old.

01:35:53.000 It's also fascinating to me that lobster, for the longest time, was not considered a delicacy.

01:35:59.000 It was sea insect.

01:36:01.000 Look at this.

01:36:02.000 Fisherman catches enormous 100-year-old lobster.

01:36:05.000 His answers may have been, that's a lobster that's 100 years old.

01:36:09.000 That doesn't look that big.

01:36:09.000 Well, I don't think they necessarily keep growing if they don't get all the food.

01:36:14.000 It's pretty goddamn big. 0.94

01:36:15.000 That's pretty big. 0.98

01:36:16.000 It's pretty big.

01:36:19.000 Wow.

01:36:20.000 Yeah.

01:36:21.000 I'm pretty sure he let it go.

01:36:23.000 Nobody liked to eat lobster before it was basically just like marketed.

01:36:26.000 Like diamonds.

01:36:27.000 Like nobody cared about wearing diamonds on their rings until De Beers.

01:36:31.000 Well, poor people would get them out of the river and they would eat them at bars. 0.99

01:36:35.000 They were like bar food.

01:36:36.000 Lobster in New York.

01:36:37.000 Yeah.

01:36:38.000 But it wasn't a nice thing.

01:36:40.000 It was like, yeah.

01:36:41.000 Yeah, they figured it. 0.99

01:36:42.000 But also, it is fucking delicious. 0.99

01:36:44.000 Especially with melted butter. 0.99

01:36:47.000 Yeah, I've had some decent lobster, but I'd still...

01:36:49.000 Don't you come down on lobster, Zachary.

01:36:50.000 I would still prefer crab over lobster.

01:36:52.000 Really?

01:36:53.000 Yes, it tastes way better.

01:36:54.000 You're a man of the people.

01:36:55.000 I get it.

01:36:56.000 Crab just tastes better, bro.

01:36:58.000 I understand.

01:36:59.000 You think so?

01:36:59.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:00.000 I mean, I personally think the flavor profile of crab is a much tastier...

01:37:05.000 I don't know.

01:37:05.000 It's like saltier.

01:37:06.000 It's got more... 1.00

01:37:07.000 They're just a pain in the ass. 0.99

01:37:09.000 I'll tell you what, Michelob got me with a fucking advertisement back in the day where a bunch of guys were eating stone crabs and drinking Michelobes, and to this day, I think of beer with crabs. 1.00

01:37:19.000 Oh, sure. 0.99

01:37:20.000 They fucking locked me in. 0.99

01:37:21.000 Dude, advertising is real, man. 0.99

01:37:23.000 That was a really good one.

01:37:25.000 It is really, really real.

01:37:25.000 Because these guys, they went crabbing, they got the crab, and they're drinking beer.

01:37:29.000 I'm like, damn, that looks fun. 0.93

01:37:30.000 I bet they're telling some funny jokes. 0.98

01:37:32.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 I want to hang out with those guys.

01:37:33.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 And that's just written into your neuroplasticity.

01:37:36.000 You're going to find that every single time.

01:37:39.000 When I have crabs, I want a beer.

01:37:41.000 Always.

01:37:41.000 It's true.

01:37:44.000 I mean, they do go well together anyway.

01:37:46.000 It's a great combination.

01:37:46.000 Fish and chips and beer are great too.

01:37:49.000 Solid combination.

01:37:51.000 There's certain things that a beer just goes.

01:37:52.000 Hot dog.

01:37:53.000 Beer and a hot dog. 0.99

01:37:55.000 That's a fucking good combo right there. 0.99

01:37:56.000 Especially with sauerkraut. 0.99

01:37:58.000 Sauerkraut, mustard, beer.

01:38:00.000 Come on, man.

01:38:02.000 So happy.

01:38:03.000 It's like a great Dodger game.

01:38:05.000 Yeah.

01:38:05.000 Sometimes it's good to be fat and happy.

01:38:08.000 You know, some days.

01:38:10.000 Oh, certainly.

01:38:11.000 Yeah.

01:38:11.000 But, you know, indulge, but then recognize that that was that moment, and now let's take care of myself.

01:38:17.000 Or drive right off a cliff.

01:38:19.000 No, let's not do that.

01:38:23.000 I'm here to tell people to love themselves, not drive off a cliff!

01:38:25.000 There it is.

01:38:26.000 Is this the ad?

01:38:26.000 Yeah, look at these people.

01:38:27.000 It's Milwaukee, but...

01:38:28.000 Oh, it's Milwaukee?

01:38:29.000 Old Milwaukee.

01:38:30.000 That's right, not Michelob.

01:38:32.000 Hey, Michelob got the credit.

01:38:33.000 Look at these guys.

01:38:33.000 Michelob got the credit.

01:38:34.000 Old Milwaukee. 0.98

01:38:35.000 These guys look like dorks. 1.00

01:38:37.000 I bet that conversation sucks. 0.99

01:38:39.000 Aren't these the guys that were inspiring you to hang out? 0.91

01:38:40.000 Thank you.

01:38:41.000 You cured me of it.

01:38:41.000 I want to hang out with those guys.

01:38:42.000 You cured me of it, because they look annoying now. 0.98

01:38:44.000 As I'm older, and I'm realizing, I bet those guys were losers. 0.99

01:38:48.000 I bet their story sucked. 1.00

01:38:50.000 Let me see it again. 0.99

01:38:53.000 Florida Keys.

01:38:54.000 I love that they give you the setting.

01:38:55.000 All three of those guys died from cocaine that they got from the money they used to film this commercial.

01:39:01.000 Look at her.

01:39:05.000 Oh, man.

01:39:07.000 You can't have one without the other.

01:39:09.000 You can't have one without the other. 1.00

01:39:11.000 Look, they're sucking on those crabs, telling stupid stories. 1.00

01:39:15.000 And then she shit in my bed, and I took her back. 1.00

01:39:18.000 You know what? 1.00

01:39:20.000 It doesn't get any better than this.

01:39:22.000 It doesn't get any better than that for them.

01:39:23.000 They're not wrong. 0.99

01:39:24.000 Because they suck at conversations. 0.99

01:39:26.000 Those guys are both, all three of them, they're annoying. 0.98

01:39:33.000 What kind of beer do you drink?

01:39:34.000 Are you a pilsner guy?

01:39:35.000 Are you a pale ale person?

01:39:36.000 I like all kinds of beer.

01:39:37.000 I even like crazy crafty beers when dudes get crafty.

01:39:41.000 There's this place called, I think it's called Lor out here, L-O-R. I think Loro.

01:39:48.000 I think it's called Loro.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, L-O-R-O. It's like an Asian barbecue place. 1.00

01:39:53.000 You know the spot?

01:39:54.000 Great spot.

01:39:55.000 Fantastic food.

01:39:56.000 But they also have a beer that's like a kombucha beer.

01:39:59.000 It was wild.

01:40:00.000 And they give it to you in a small glass.

01:40:04.000 I was like, I'll go get a beer.

01:40:06.000 And I picked a beer, and they give it to me in this little thing.

01:40:10.000 That's not a beer.

01:40:11.000 And then you drink, and you're like, oh, wow.

01:40:13.000 This is wild.

01:40:14.000 What a wild flavor.

01:40:15.000 Is it like hard kombucha?

01:40:17.000 Yeah, it's like a hard kombucha, but it's like a beer.

01:40:21.000 They might not have even called it kombucha beer, but it tasted like kombucha and beer, like a combination to it. 1.00

01:40:28.000 I like that kind of shit. 0.99

01:40:29.000 I like a lot of weird beers. 0.99

01:40:31.000 Do you remember, who brought in those, there's a company that makes, it looks like wine bottles, and we had it out there.

01:40:42.000 Firm?

01:40:43.000 Isn't it Firm?

01:40:44.000 Isn't it called Firm?

01:40:50.000 Anyway, that was a beer that tasted almost like a combination of a beer and a sparkling wine.

01:40:56.000 It was really interesting.

01:40:58.000 So people do weird stuff with beer now.

01:41:00.000 Oh, microbrewing is insane. 0.67

01:41:03.000 There's so many different types of beers now.

01:41:04.000 So I like that stuff, but I also like a Heineken every now and then.

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:07.000 I like a good beer, solid beer.

01:41:10.000 People are like, Heineken sucks.

01:41:12.000 No, it doesn't. 0.92

01:41:13.000 It just tastes like Heineken.

01:41:14.000 It's a solid taste.

01:41:16.000 Yeah, it's interesting how people just want to, just because something is like, I don't know, a staple or mainstream.

01:41:22.000 Particularly, there's a lot of beer snobs that are so about the craft beers that it's like, oh, you drink Dos Equis.

01:41:28.000 It's like, yeah, I like Dos Equis.

01:41:29.000 I like Modelo.

01:41:30.000 I like Budweiser.

01:41:31.000 I like them. 1.00

01:41:33.000 There's a reason why they're popular, you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:41:36.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

01:41:36.000 And they're refreshing. 1.00

01:41:39.000 It's carb water, bro. 0.99

01:41:41.000 Cold Budweiser is refreshing as fuck. 0.99

01:41:44.000 It's very refreshing. 0.99

01:41:46.000 I know dudes who drink them after they run.

01:41:48.000 The first time I ever got drunk, I was living up in the Seattle area.

01:41:54.000 My family moved up there for a little while when I was in middle school.

01:41:56.000 And my older sister was in her first year of high school.

01:42:01.000 And she and her friends were loading up into...

01:42:05.000 One of her, you know, older friends' vans, like panel van with like, there was like a mesh gate from like the, you know, front seats to the back and there was no seats in the back.

01:42:15.000 It was like a couch or like two couches and just boxes of naughty ice, natural ice beer.

01:42:21.000 I don't know.

01:42:21.000 Right, right.

01:42:22.000 Sure.

01:42:23.000 And though my sister protested heavily, her friends were like, yeah, no, bring your little brother.

01:42:28.000 He's going to come.

01:42:30.000 And I was like, I don't even know, 12?

01:42:35.000 And I was ripped!

01:42:37.000 At 12?

01:42:39.000 I was ripped, bro.

01:42:40.000 Jesus Christ.

01:42:41.000 How much did you drink?

01:42:42.000 Oh, I don't know.

01:42:43.000 Probably four beers.

01:42:46.000 But a Naughty Ice was like...

01:42:47.000 For a 12-year-old.

01:42:48.000 I know, yeah, I know, I know.

01:42:49.000 That's a heavy dose.

01:42:51.000 It was insane.

01:42:51.000 But it's not like I did that all the time.

01:42:52.000 Like, the first cigarette I ever smoked was probably when I was 12. But I didn't smoke another cigarette until I was 13. And then so on and so forth.

01:42:59.000 I wasn't, like, out boozing it up.

01:43:00.000 I wasn't a 12-year-old booze hound.

01:43:02.000 But I remember it.

01:43:03.000 I mean, it's core memory for me.

01:43:05.000 Mm.

01:43:06.000 I partly remember it because my youngest sister, we were leaving at the house by herself. 0.99

01:43:11.000 It was so dumb. 0.95

01:43:12.000 We're leaving Shekinah at the house and she starts coming out the front door like, where are you going? 1.00

01:43:17.000 And my older sister, Sarah, she's like, go tell Shekinah to get back in the house. 1.00

01:43:20.000 And so I go to step out of the van and I trip.

01:43:24.000 And my left leg goes down and hyperextends, bends all the way in, bro.

01:43:30.000 And I'm on the ground.

01:43:31.000 My whole knee is on fire.

01:43:33.000 But I didn't want to lose.

01:43:36.000 I wanted to save all the face and still go out with these cool older kids.

01:43:40.000 So I get up and I'm like, I'm cool.

01:43:42.000 I'm cool.

01:43:43.000 And I go hobble over to my sister, tell her to go back in the house. 0.99

01:43:46.000 We go to the park and get drunk.

01:43:47.000 And I'll tell you what, I didn't feel my knee for the rest of the night.

01:43:50.000 It was groovy.

01:43:51.000 So did it wind up destroying your knee?

01:43:54.000 No, thank God, man.

01:43:55.000 Kids are so flexible.

01:43:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:43:57.000 They just bounce back.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, we're rubber.

01:43:58.000 When we're kids, we're rubber. 1.00

01:43:59.000 Yeah, they bounce off of shit. 0.99

01:44:00.000 I've watched my kids bounce off of stuff. 1.00

01:44:02.000 You're like, you're going to be all right?

01:44:03.000 Yeah.

01:44:03.000 I'm like, yeah, fine.

01:44:03.000 But that's also why it's so great to learn skills, particularly physical skills, when you're younger.

01:44:08.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:09.000 Like all those people that start snowboarding when they're two.

01:44:13.000 50. That's tough.

01:44:16.000 That's tough.

01:44:17.000 But if you start when you're a teeny little kid, not only are you getting the mechanics, but you have no fear because you're two feet from the ground.

01:44:23.000 You're falling nowhere.

01:44:25.000 And you can keep chancing that and chancing that until eventually your bones become more brittle and you don't want to be chancing that anymore.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, my youngest daughter started skiing before she was two.

01:44:36.000 How old is she now? 0.92

01:44:37.000 She's 12. Oh yeah.

01:44:38.000 Got her on one of them little bunny trails. 0.99

01:44:40.000 Yeah.

01:44:41.000 And then they have those little magic carpets that the kids ride up and then they ride down.

01:44:45.000 I love those magic carpets.

01:44:47.000 It's so adorable when you go to a ski place and you see little kids skiing.

01:44:50.000 Yeah.

01:44:51.000 Little pizza wedges.

01:44:52.000 On the little ski area.

01:44:53.000 Yeah, just little pizza wedges going on.

01:44:54.000 Little tiny with their little outfits.

01:44:57.000 But if you can learn physical tasks, yeah, I feel bad for people that don't do anything physical and then they try to pick it up when they're 45 and their body's all uncoordinated and deteriorated. 0.94

01:45:09.000 It sucks.

01:45:10.000 It's tough. 0.99

01:45:10.000 It sucks that we don't get taught that this is actually beneficial to your mind. 0.99

01:45:15.000 Like, we never got taught that.

01:45:16.000 We're saying it now.

01:45:18.000 That moving your body.

01:45:19.000 Yeah.

01:45:19.000 Oh my gosh.

01:45:19.000 Nobody ever heard that when we were kids.

01:45:21.000 Well, yeah, because I don't think that they had any understanding of it at all.

01:45:25.000 Which is crazy.

01:45:26.000 It's not that long ago.

01:45:28.000 It's not, but at least we have the Hubermans and everybody of the world who are like, hey guys, we're really drilling down into this stuff.

01:45:34.000 Let's understand why our bodies act the way that they do.

01:45:38.000 Let's understand why, you know, we all think we're in so much control of our mind when it's so fragile.

01:45:44.000 It can be hijacked in a moment's notice if your hormones are off, if you're not doing the things that can take care of this whole, you know, package.

01:45:53.000 If that old Milwaukee commercial comes on.

01:45:56.000 They get you.

01:45:57.000 They get you.

01:46:01.000 Yeah, it's important.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, it is.

01:46:03.000 It's really weird that if you think about how long human beings have been around, that we're just learning this in the last couple of generations, that it's important to use your body to take care of your mind.

01:46:14.000 That was never brought up.

01:46:15.000 To people from our parents' age.

01:46:18.000 No one was broadcasting that.

01:46:20.000 I think a lot of Eastern philosophy still held onto it, but it was certainly not an American Western concept, man.

01:46:27.000 I mean, we've been so backwards about so many things, particularly when it comes to health and wellness, for so long.

01:46:32.000 It's such a bummer.

01:46:33.000 We were actually going to look that up yesterday, Jamie.

01:46:35.000 Who was it that was talking about...

01:46:40.000 Using your body so it doesn't betray your mind.

01:46:43.000 Who was it?

01:46:44.000 Aristotle?

01:46:45.000 There's a lot of quotes of variations of it from back then, so I could have known about Socrates and Aristotle.

01:46:50.000 Oh yeah, you had Ryan Holiday on.

01:46:51.000 You guys were talking about that Stoic stuff.

01:46:52.000 Yeah, he's fascinating.

01:46:54.000 He lives out near me in Bastrop.

01:46:56.000 Yeah, he's a really interesting guy, and his work is so extensive.

01:47:01.000 His love of the Stoics is so excellent and so extensive.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, I follow his Stoic Instagram, and it's always fascinating.

01:47:11.000 It's also so cool to me, though, that if you really drill down into all of the Stoicisms, there's such universal wisdoms and truths, which to me just says, like, You know, like, that's the difference between information and wisdom.

01:47:27.000 Like, information is information, but sometimes information changes.

01:47:31.000 In fact, oftentimes information changes, but wisdom is universal truth.

01:47:36.000 It is something that has been riding through our minds and hearts and DNA as human beings and has been passed down and passed down and passed down.

01:47:44.000 I mean, gosh, who's the awesome dude you had on that talks about meteors and, you know...

01:47:51.000 Randall Carlson?

01:47:52.000 Yes, Randall Carlson.

01:47:55.000 And talking about how, you know, Plato was like, what's the Atlantis?

01:48:02.000 All that kind of stuff.

01:48:03.000 Like, maybe that really happened?

01:48:05.000 Maybe the human beings have been around in some form for way longer, but, you know, whatever.

01:48:11.000 Like, I don't know.

01:48:12.000 That stuff seems to be that wisdom that's been passed down forever. 0.98

01:48:16.000 Like, guys, wake the fuck up. 1.00

01:48:18.000 Stop doing this stupid shit. 1.00

01:48:19.000 Like, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. 1.00

01:48:21.000 And we keep doing it over and over and over again.

01:48:24.000 Marcus Aurelius' book, Meditations, is really, really interesting because it's almost 2,000 years old.

01:48:29.000 And when you read it, you're like, wow, this guy had some really fascinating insight as to what it means to be a person, how to be forgiven, how to forgive people.

01:48:42.000 Marcus Aurelius, who's the head of Rome, was really into forgiving people.

01:48:46.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:48:48.000 When Ryan Holiday sort of lays out his life and talks about how he was sort of betrayed and what all went wrong with him.

01:48:55.000 Well, Seneca, I think Seneca was another, like, incredible example of someone with such, I mean, all of them, but, you know, he had incredibly deep, I think, caring, empathetic wisdom as well.

01:49:06.000 But also Jesus.

01:49:06.000 I mean, like, you know, speaking of a manuscript from 2,000 years ago, there's so much incredibly accurate, real deep wisdom in the Bible.

01:49:15.000 However you want to chop it up, Old Testament, New Testament, whatever, I have found there to be such power, by the way, particularly when it comes to love.

01:49:22.000 Particularly listening to what Jesus will talk about when it comes to love.

01:49:25.000 You know what's interesting about that?

01:49:26.000 Transformational.

01:49:27.000 Like Marcus Aurelius was 100% real.

01:49:30.000 We've read his stuff.

01:49:32.000 Like Meditations is available right now for anyone to read.

01:49:35.000 Although apparently there's more stringent translations according to Ryan.

01:49:40.000 But Jesus is like...

01:49:44.000 Debated.

01:49:44.000 That he existed or that he was what he claimed to be?

01:49:47.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people that don't think he existed.

01:49:49.000 Really?

01:49:49.000 Yeah, there's a documentary called The Man Who Wasn't There.

01:49:52.000 Really interesting documentary because it deals with the historical reality of Jesus.

01:49:58.000 Isn't that it?

01:49:59.000 The man who wasn't there?

01:50:00.000 Very interesting documentary.

01:50:02.000 So what should they propose happen then?

01:50:05.000 There's not a lot of references to Jesus, historical references, other than the Bible.

01:50:10.000 There's not a lot of references to him being a real person of significance in that era, apparently.

01:50:17.000 This is me, who's not very well studied in it.

01:50:20.000 No, no, no.

01:50:20.000 Understood, understood.

01:50:20.000 But what I'm saying is that it's debated.

01:50:22.000 It's not debated whether or not Marcus Aurelius existed.

01:50:24.000 Certainly, yeah.

01:50:25.000 The God who wasn't there, that's what it is.

01:50:28.000 A film being in belief.

01:50:29.000 So go to, what does it say?

01:50:32.000 2005 independent documentary written and directed by Brian Fleming.

01:50:37.000 The documentary questions the existence of Jesus.

01:50:39.000 Examining evidence that supports the Christ myth theory against the existence of a historical Jesus as well as other aspects of Christianity.

01:50:47.000 So I don't know if this is accurate or inaccurate, but I do know that there is debate as to whether or not Jesus existed, even if he did.

01:50:54.000 But there's no debate as to Marcus Aurelius, but they're from the same time period.

01:50:57.000 They're only separated by like a hundred years.

01:51:00.000 I think.

01:51:02.000 I guess I would still wonder, though, like...

01:51:03.000 Is that true?

01:51:04.000 If...

01:51:05.000 Yeah, okay, 161 to 180, almost 200 years.

01:51:09.000 Yeah.

01:51:09.000 So, yeah.

01:51:11.000 Isn't that fucking wild, though? 1.00

01:51:13.000 AD 161, this motherfucker was writing his private notes to himself and ideas on Stoic philosophy. 0.99

01:51:20.000 He wrote 12 books of the meditations in coin Greek as a source for his own guidance and self-improvement. 0.99

01:51:27.000 Fucking amazing. 0.92

01:51:28.000 He's so goddamn smart, and it just makes you think, like, I wonder what that existence must have been like back then. 0.98

01:51:38.000 Like, what Rome must have been like at, you know, 161 A.D. God, it must have been fascinating. 0.84

01:51:46.000 When was the fall of Rome?

01:51:48.000 I can't remember.

01:51:50.000 Like, was he living in the heyday, or was he...

01:51:52.000 That's a good question.

01:51:53.000 Jamie?

01:51:56.000 Fall of the Roman... 0.92

01:51:57.000 Western Roman Empire?

01:51:59.000 September...

01:52:00.000 It's got a date.

01:52:00.000 September 4th, 476 AD. 476. Okay, so he was still living in, like, some heyday Rome.

01:52:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:07.000 Shit was still kicking. 1.00

01:52:09.000 476 AD. Yeah, it's a trip. 0.99

01:52:11.000 I mean, I'm assuming you've been to Rome as well.

01:52:13.000 Oh, yeah.

01:52:14.000 Dude, walking around those...

01:52:16.000 What is that?

01:52:17.000 It's a picture of the rise and fall.

01:52:18.000 Wow.

01:52:19.000 The decline and fall.

01:52:20.000 I don't know what it really looked like that day.

01:52:22.000 The lust for power led to Rome's decline and fall.

01:52:25.000 Oh, you mean like the United States?

01:52:27.000 Well, everywhere.

01:52:29.000 Everywhere.

01:52:29.000 Yeah, everybody, everywhere.

01:52:31.000 You mean like Russia?

01:52:32.000 This is the thing.

01:52:34.000 These are leaders of countries that need to figure out how to love themselves so they don't need to keep conquering everybody else and taking everything else.

01:52:41.000 Go to that picture again of the guy trying to pull down the statue.

01:52:43.000 Yep.

01:52:44.000 Dude, people back then were jacked.

01:52:47.000 Yeah, they were.

01:52:48.000 If that was Antifa, our Antifa guys would fall to their death while trying to climb there.

01:52:54.000 There'd be like three or four deaths before anybody ever got the noose on that statue. 0.97

01:52:58.000 And that guy's like feeling that guy's butt. 0.99

01:53:00.000 He's like, damn, dude, you've been squatting. 0.99

01:53:02.000 He's got him in the lower back. 0.99

01:53:03.000 He's got him in the lower back, Joe. 0.99

01:53:04.000 But he's looking at his butt. 0.96

01:53:05.000 See how he's looking at it? 0.99

01:53:06.000 Straight at it.

01:53:07.000 I think he's looking at the rope.

01:53:09.000 The guy's also completely naked. 0.98

01:53:11.000 How about covering your cack there, fella? 0.99

01:53:14.000 It's artistic interpretation, Joe.

01:53:16.000 I understand what you're saying.

01:53:17.000 Let the men be naked. 1.00

01:53:18.000 It's called talking shit, Zach. 1.00

01:53:20.000 I know, bro! 1.00

01:53:24.000 The Antifa, the whole Antifa crew back then, they looked like Conan.

01:53:28.000 Look at them, the guy on the sword, or the guy on the horse, rather.

01:53:31.000 Look at them.

01:53:32.000 Yeah, but he's wearing clothes.

01:53:34.000 He looks like a general or something.

01:53:36.000 The point is, the people that were the rebellious people back then were really fit.

01:53:42.000 Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of manual labor back then.

01:53:44.000 That's all you did.

01:53:45.000 A lot of walking around.

01:53:46.000 Yeah, that's all you did.

01:53:47.000 And there was no, like, fatty foods in terms of, like, no sugars.

01:53:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:53:53.000 You couldn't get pastries.

01:53:54.000 No.

01:53:55.000 And there's, you know, there's probably no candy bars.

01:53:57.000 Isn't that a trip, too?

01:53:58.000 Like, why we even have sugar cravings the way that we do?

01:54:01.000 Because once upon a time as hunter-gatherers, we would find berries and we would just fucking gorge because we didn't know when we'd see them again.

01:54:08.000 And now that's translated into, I can't stop eating gummy bears. 0.70

01:54:11.000 Like, it's so...

01:54:12.000 It's insane.

01:54:12.000 Our bodies are so crazy like that.

01:54:15.000 Well, it's so insane that we've hijacked them.

01:54:17.000 Yeah.

01:54:18.000 Figured out a way to get so much sugar into a drink.

01:54:21.000 It's terrifying.

01:54:23.000 It's terrifying how much sugar is in a soda, man.

01:54:25.000 It's insane. 0.92

01:54:26.000 It's a shitload. 0.99

01:54:28.000 It's a shitload. 0.92

01:54:29.000 And the really scary thing is how much most people have in a day.

01:54:33.000 Let's ask this.

01:54:34.000 How many grams of sugar do you think the average American consumes in a day?

01:54:40.000 25. 25 grams?

01:54:44.000 I think the average American definitely has at least...

01:54:47.000 Way more than that.

01:54:48.000 Oh, way more than that?

01:54:48.000 Yeah.

01:54:49.000 25 is what you have to stay keto.

01:54:52.000 Oh.

01:54:52.000 All right.

01:54:53.000 250. Doesn't like a Coke have like 30?

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:56.000 More than that, I think.

01:54:58.000 I think a Coke has more than what you need in a whole day if you're on a ketogenic diet.

01:55:03.000 For sure.

01:55:05.000 There's so much.

01:55:06.000 77. That's what I said!

01:55:09.000 77!

01:55:10.000 More than three times the recommended amount for women.

01:55:12.000 I bet that's a lie.

01:55:14.000 See, that's the thing.

01:55:15.000 If it's more than three times the recommended amount for women, come on. 1.00

01:55:20.000 Dude, most people are having way more than that.

01:55:22.000 If you just found out what an apple juice is. 0.99

01:55:24.000 You ever look at a fucking apple juice? 0.99

01:55:26.000 Apple juice is like 50 grams of sugar. 1.00

01:55:28.000 What is this?

01:55:29.000 Those little juices at Starbucks.

01:55:31.000 Those green juices or whatever.

01:55:34.000 Packed full of sugar.

01:55:35.000 So much sugar.

01:55:36.000 It was higher a few years ago.

01:55:37.000 Really?

01:55:38.000 People dropped it?

01:55:39.000 111 grams of sugar a day.

01:55:40.000 That was the average.

01:55:42.000 So find out what eight ounces of apple juice is. 0.99

01:55:46.000 Because I saw it one time, one of my kids was laughing because I can't even read those fucking things. 0.99

01:55:51.000 My eyes don't work that good. 0.99

01:55:52.000 But she was reading the ingredients on apple juice and she got to the sugar and she was like, what the hell?

01:55:58.000 24 grams for how many ounces?

01:56:02.000 Eight ounces of apple juice.

01:56:03.000 Oh jeez.

01:56:04.000 Yeah, 24 grams.

01:56:05.000 I think some of them are different, but that's a lot.

01:56:07.000 Have you ever heard about...

01:56:09.000 Like, I'm sure you have.

01:56:10.000 That whole study that was done, which basically formed our food pyramid that was paid for by the sugar industry.

01:56:19.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:56:20.000 Fucking crazy! 0.99

01:56:21.000 Not just that, but they actually bribed scientists to take the heat off of sugar and put it on saturated fat. 0.99

01:56:29.000 Which totally screwed everything up more. 0.82

01:56:31.000 Screwed up a lot of people's bodies, too, because their diets got all fucking confused. 0.59

01:56:35.000 They're eating margarine because they think it's good for them. 0.99

01:56:39.000 It's insane, man.

01:56:40.000 And the things, and the FDA allows these things to go on, like, it's just mind-boggling to me.

01:56:46.000 It is, no, I mean, I guess it's not, because it's all, again, it's all lobbyists and people being paid off.

01:56:51.000 There's a lot of crooks out there.

01:56:53.000 That's so terrible.

01:56:54.000 There's a lot of crooks out there, and these people have been co-opted by these enormous corporations, so these people can make decisions that benefit the corporations, and it benefits their career, and then they move on to get jobs in those corporations, and meanwhile everybody else is Isn't it often times that the head of the FDA at any time was a former CEO of one of the pharmaceutical companies and then will also return to them?

01:57:18.000 They go back and forth.

01:57:20.000 That's insanity. 1.00

01:57:22.000 That we are not all like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:57:24.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:57:26.000 This is a rigged system. 1.00

01:57:27.000 This should stop immediately.

01:57:28.000 Have you ever seen that documentary Inside Job?

01:57:32.000 It's about the financial crisis of 2008. I don't know.

01:57:36.000 It's a really good documentary.

01:57:37.000 But one of the things that's really good about it is that the guy who's the host of it, they think that they're going to be able to just respond to his questions and they'll just paint a rosy picture of what went wrong and what we need to do next and And so he starts calling them out on all the various regulatory decisions that were made,

01:57:56.000 and then he points out that these people oftentimes that are setting economic policy, these people that they're getting recommendations from are these mathematicians that work for these universities.

01:58:09.000 And then these mathematicians, they set these standards that the government uses, and then they get jobs in these major corporations afterwards.

01:58:18.000 So they set standards that benefit these major corporations, and then they leave their job at the university to make millions of dollars working for these corporations.

01:58:26.000 So they'll set these financial pathways where these corporations can profit.

01:58:35.000 And then they profit.

01:58:36.000 They can profit.

01:58:36.000 It's wild because most of us don't know.

01:58:39.000 Because no one has integrity anymore.

01:58:40.000 But the guy who is the host of this documentary is great because he really understands the financial system.

01:58:45.000 And so he starts calling these guys out while he's interviewing them and explaining what they did wrong, why it fucked everybody up. 0.99

01:58:52.000 And they're like, you can see these guys like, oh shit. 0.99

01:58:55.000 I didn't know this guy would understand the game. 0.99

01:58:57.000 Wow.

01:58:58.000 It's a great documentary.

01:58:59.000 And when did it come out?

01:59:01.000 Right after the crash.

01:59:03.000 So it was like 2010 or something?

01:59:05.000 Yeah, probably somewhere around then.

01:59:06.000 Yeah, it's good.

01:59:07.000 It's good.

01:59:08.000 I think it's called An Inside Job. 0.99

01:59:11.000 But it's just disheartening to know that there's so many fucking creeps that are so fucking corrupt that are in charge of making decisions that all of us have to live with. 0.99

01:59:22.000 Well, yeah, there's another documentary I saw. 0.99

01:59:24.000 I think it was called The Cutting Edge.

01:59:27.000 I don't know.

01:59:28.000 It was on Netflix.

01:59:29.000 But a lot of this stuff about the FDA, I learned from that because there are all these, like, not just drugs, but medical devices and things that are constantly being okayed that are fucking people up.

01:59:40.000 Yeah.

01:59:40.000 Meshes that they would put inside women who had like hysterectomy like major problems with these Faulty products, but they were all just nobody decided to give it enough testing because they had a little fucking you know side deal like we know I used to work for them They're gonna we're gonna get this in there.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, like it's insane and there's no accountability Well, that's what John Abramson talked about when he was on the podcast.

02:00:03.000 He sort of really highlighted some of the more spectacular instances of that, like the Vioxx instance.

02:00:09.000 Yeah.

02:00:10.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.

02:00:11.000 It's like, you can't trust people that have a history of doing that.

02:00:16.000 We should all know that. 0.99

02:00:17.000 And so if the same people that did that are also now trying to do this, keep your fucking eyes open, please. 0.99

02:00:24.000 Just keep your eyes open. 0.99

02:00:26.000 Don't just dive in here.

02:00:28.000 But I think we should, honestly, I mean, I feel like we should be keeping our eyes open.

02:00:32.000 With everything.

02:00:34.000 Yeah, with all industry.

02:00:35.000 Because all industry is bought.

02:00:37.000 All of it.

02:00:37.000 I mean, I wish to God I could look to one field and feel like it's being run with integrity.

02:00:43.000 It's being run in a way where The corporation, the industry are valuing the lives of the people that run their entire situation and also valuing the lives of the user downstream with whatever they're providing.

02:00:55.000 But they don't. 0.99

02:00:56.000 They don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:00:57.000 You never really get a whole industry that's on the up and up. 0.99

02:01:02.000 But you do get people that operate in the industry.

02:01:05.000 People that run regenerative farms.

02:01:06.000 Sure.

02:01:07.000 There's people that do have good ethics and good morals.

02:01:10.000 But they're not leading.

02:01:11.000 Well, it's just like...

02:01:13.000 That's the problem.

02:01:15.000 It's like when you're talking about feeding 30 million people.

02:01:21.000 How are you doing it?

02:01:22.000 How are you doing that with regenerative farming? 1.00

02:01:25.000 How are you going to feed that many fucking people? 0.99

02:01:27.000 How many farms do you need? 1.00

02:01:28.000 Where are you going to put them?

02:01:29.000 How are you going to replace factory farming in terms of output?

02:01:33.000 Is it going to be lab made?

02:01:35.000 Lab made meat?

02:01:36.000 What are you going to do?

02:01:37.000 I hope not.

02:01:38.000 And not only that, the energy crisis.

02:01:41.000 The ways that people get down on nuclear and it's like, what are we supposed to do?

02:01:46.000 Well, nuclear is probably the best option for the future.

02:01:48.000 It is!

02:01:49.000 But people still want to hate it so much, so much.

02:01:52.000 Well, we're scared. 0.99

02:01:53.000 Scared of like Three Mile Island and Chernobyl and all that shit. 1.00

02:01:57.000 It would fucking suck. 1.00

02:01:58.000 It would. 1.00

02:01:59.000 It would.

02:02:00.000 Another documentary that I watched a while ago called Pandora, I think it was called Pandora's Promise.

02:02:05.000 Schellenberger actually was in it as well.

02:02:07.000 And he was like, I used to be so anti-nuclear.

02:02:10.000 I was completely against this.

02:02:12.000 Yeah.

02:02:13.000 And then I realized I didn't understand fully what I was weighing and talking about, you know?

02:02:18.000 It's a great documentary.

02:02:19.000 But, yeah, people are scared.

02:02:20.000 But leading out of fear.

02:02:21.000 That's more fear.

02:02:23.000 Yeah, most of the people that understand nuclear in terms of, like, when they're looking at our potential to make clean energy, like, what's the most likely scenario?

02:02:33.000 Like, nuclear's a great one.

02:02:35.000 Because...

02:02:36.000 They have better methods of developing those power plants with better fail-safes.

02:02:41.000 It's like what happened at Fukushima.

02:02:42.000 It's an old system.

02:02:45.000 And they also have the ability to build sites, plants, where you can recycle the waste.

02:02:50.000 So it's not just immediately put into a barrel and then it's buried for a million years.

02:02:54.000 You actually can take that same waste and recycle it through and get more and more out of it until it becomes even more inert.

02:02:59.000 And then you go and dispose of it in a very safe way.

02:03:03.000 But again, how...

02:03:06.000 If we don't do that, like I'm all about regenerative everything, but there's a lot of people that still don't have really good power sources in this world, and we're just going to not go with a thing that could help the most amount of people with the least amount of impact.

02:03:20.000 It's a bummer.

02:03:23.000 Yeah, when you think about how many coal plants we have running, that should stop.

02:03:29.000 We did this podcast once where we watched a documentary about this one town in Indiana that has a series of coal plants around it that's so bad that all their cars are covered in this fine coal dust. 0.99

02:03:43.000 Hey man, you're fucking breathing that. 0.98

02:03:45.000 You gotta get out of there. 1.00

02:03:46.000 They all have lung ailments and asthma and diseases and shit. 1.00

02:03:50.000 You guys are breathing toxic air. 1.00

02:03:53.000 Don't they have the ability to put those filters on the tops of their smokestacks that kind of capture all that stuff?

02:03:59.000 I don't know.

02:04:00.000 I mean, how much can you really capture?

02:04:01.000 Can you capture all of it?

02:04:03.000 What if you only capture 10%?

02:04:04.000 What if you capture 20%?

02:04:06.000 The bottom line is it's not a clean way to develop energy, but nuclear is.

02:04:13.000 And it's a thing that we're sort of conditioned to be afraid of.

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:19.000 It's unfortunate.

02:04:20.000 Yeah, it is because those systems that they had in the 1970s, like the Fukushima system that fucked up, they could have way better shit now. 0.97

02:04:30.000 If we started implementing brand new power plants with 2022 technology, that would be wild. 0.99

02:04:36.000 We could fix a lot of shit. 0.80

02:04:37.000 And if they really want to implement electric cars nationwide and have an even greater impact on the environment. 1.00

02:04:45.000 But you say nuclear, they go, disaster.

02:04:50.000 Nuclear, disaster.

02:04:51.000 Those two things are connecting in people's heads.

02:04:54.000 And not to mention the fact that all of the...

02:04:58.000 Battery components are getting out of rare earth and all of that practice, which is horrible for the environment, even to make a lot of these electric cars that are helpful for the environment.

02:05:08.000 So it's like, where is the moral high ground in all of this?

02:05:12.000 Can't we all come together?

02:05:13.000 Again, get this Jedi Council of nine people and be like, can we just be fair about all of the pros and cons here and figure out how we can all move forward and everybody can actually have energy and power, which is one of the greatest What's the word I'm looking for?

02:05:30.000 Benefits to mankind?

02:05:31.000 Well, equalizer, yeah.

02:05:33.000 There was a lot we didn't accomplish as human beings until all of a sudden we had lamps.

02:05:39.000 And then we had kerosene lamps, and that was like, oh my god, we can stay up a lot, and we can put kerosene all through the streets, and we have lights, and then all of a sudden electricity.

02:05:46.000 It's like, oh my gosh, look at all the things we accomplished as human beings just because we have this.

02:05:51.000 And how many people who live in this world who don't have any of that?

02:05:54.000 They're still struggling.

02:05:55.000 And that's not to mention, obviously, just having lights on, but powering wells for water and all of the things that these people would be able to benefit from.

02:06:05.000 Yeah, I just wonder what they're going to do about the battery thing.

02:06:08.000 The battery thing is, unless they come up with batteries that they make out of nuclear waste...

02:06:14.000 Didn't they figure out a way to recycle nuclear waste to use as some new revolutionary idea that someone was pushing about nuclear waste?

02:06:28.000 The problem is all this complaining is on a phone that's made by slaves. 1.00

02:06:33.000 Ain't that some shit. 1.00

02:06:35.000 That's some shit. 1.00

02:06:36.000 Like, bro, the whole thing. 1.00

02:06:38.000 It says they're making batteries from lab-grown gems, known as diamond batteries, to make...

02:06:45.000 And those diamonds, so by encapsulating radioactive materials inside diamonds...

02:06:52.000 We turn a long-term problem of nuclear waste into a nuclear-powered battery and a long-term supply of clean energy.

02:06:59.000 The team have demonstrated a prototype diamond battery using nickel sixty-three as the radiation source. 0.99

02:07:05.000 Holy shit! 0.98

02:07:13.000 Makes sense. 0.99

02:07:14.000 Makes sense that someone will figure that out.

02:07:16.000 Slight tangent.

02:07:17.000 Have you seen this dude?

02:07:18.000 I think he's here in Texas.

02:07:20.000 He created a machine that just makes water out of thin air.

02:07:25.000 Have you seen this?

02:07:26.000 I have seen that guy.

02:07:28.000 I've seen...

02:07:28.000 Didn't he just get...

02:07:29.000 Somebody fucking sabotaged his shit somewhere. 1.00

02:07:32.000 Yes, yes. 1.00

02:07:32.000 They sabotaged one of his units, but they got on top of it. 1.00

02:07:34.000 And now, Viola Davis had totally pumped him up on Instagram, so he's getting a lot of donations and stuff.

02:07:39.000 But I think he's legit.

02:07:40.000 Everything I've looked at, it's like, this guy actually made this thing, which could totally revolutionize the world.

02:07:45.000 Well, it definitely works, apparently.

02:07:48.000 It pulls water out of moisture in the air, but I don't think it's...

02:07:51.000 I think it takes a long time.

02:07:52.000 But he was giving away free water.

02:07:54.000 Yeah.

02:07:54.000 I think that's one of the things that was pissing people off.

02:07:56.000 Of course.

02:07:57.000 So the people that were selling water.

02:07:58.000 Yeah.

02:07:59.000 Because all these people own all of our water.

02:08:02.000 Yeah.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:03.000 Well, I mean, it could be just local people that were selling water from stores and just decided that their water sales were down.

02:08:10.000 This guy had set up shop in the parking lot.

02:08:12.000 Possibly.

02:08:13.000 I wonder, putting my tinfoil hat on, I wonder if there's not a bigger play in all of that.

02:08:20.000 I wonder if there's not larger entities at work who want to stifle things that would really revolutionize certain industries.

02:08:30.000 I mean, there's been a couple of different people who...

02:08:33.000 Have come up with, you know, hydrogen engines or, you know, something for a car that would just, like, run on water.

02:08:39.000 And for some reason, somehow, all of those people die, like, very strangely.

02:08:44.000 You know the one who said he got poisoned?

02:08:46.000 His last words, were they poisoned me?

02:08:48.000 You don't know that story?

02:08:50.000 No, what happened?

02:08:50.000 This is the guy who invented a supposed water-powered car, and he goes to meet someone to discuss this water-powered car, and he starts gasping, goes to meet someone to discuss it, like someone from the automobile industry or something like that, and his last words,

02:09:07.000 he's running out of the place saying, they poisoned me.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 And he dies.

02:09:11.000 And he dies.

02:09:11.000 Here it is.

02:09:12.000 Did Stanley Meyer die because he knew how to turn water into fuel?

02:09:17.000 But see, it would not, and I'm not casting any aspersions, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

02:09:23.000 Because again, why stop at sabotage?

02:09:26.000 If you're a massive industry, if you're a massive corporation, and you know that gas, oil is your commodity, and you need people buying this oil, you don't want somebody coming up with a new technology that is going to make oil, at least gas for cars,

02:09:42.000 obsolete.

02:09:43.000 You don't want that.

02:09:43.000 Look at this story.

02:09:45.000 The crime scene is in Grove City, Ohio, Franklin County, with all the ingredients of setting in the American province that is dear to crime writers.

02:09:56.000 It's 21st March 1998, the first day of spring, and four men are having a lunch in a restaurant.

02:10:02.000 A waiter serves one of them some cranberry juice, perhaps, but we will never know for sure, chosen for dessert.

02:10:09.000 This man, immediately after his first sip, Suddenly gets up as if he's gone crazy, holds his hand around his neck, he loses his breath, runs out into the parking lot, collapses to the ground, and pronounces his last words, they poisoned me.

02:10:25.000 And that's true?

02:10:27.000 Like, that's corroborated?

02:10:28.000 Yeah, that's how he died.

02:10:29.000 This is the guy that figured out a way to have a car run on water.

02:10:33.000 Yeah, I'll show you the news article that I was on.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, the car that ran on water.

02:10:37.000 Greed stops at nothing, man.

02:10:38.000 I mean, this is why we have to change that.

02:10:40.000 We have got to help people get off of greed.

02:10:44.000 Because you will do, potentially, again, I don't know what happened there, but I fully believe that corporations at large...

02:10:51.000 Maybe it was his ex-wife. 1.00

02:10:52.000 Maybe she was like, you know what, this dude, I'm tired of his fucking bullshit. 1.00

02:10:56.000 I'm just gonna poison him. 1.00

02:10:57.000 And he thinks that the automobile industry's out to get him. 0.99

02:11:00.000 Meanwhile, his engine doesn't even fucking work. 0.98

02:11:03.000 Did it work? 0.99

02:11:04.000 What?

02:11:05.000 Yeah, it's the south side of Columbus.

02:11:07.000 Oh, another one outside of Columbus.

02:11:09.000 Bunch of assassins out there taking out inventors.

02:11:12.000 A crime writer's dream.

02:11:13.000 Yeah, I guess so. 0.99

02:11:15.000 It is kind of a fucked up story, if it's true. 0.95

02:11:17.000 But if it's true, how come nobody back-engineered his engine and started... 0.98

02:11:21.000 I don't know.

02:11:23.000 I don't know.

02:11:24.000 But I definitely think that it's not beyond many corporations to do nefarious things in the name of progress.

02:11:33.000 Oh, for sure.

02:11:33.000 In the name of, guys, we have to keep making more money.

02:11:37.000 We can't stop.

02:11:38.000 That can't stop.

02:11:39.000 A hundred percent.

02:11:40.000 And we rationalize it, and we justify it.

02:11:42.000 It's like, you know, the Vioxx, and it's like, well, we'll make $20 billion.

02:11:45.000 We know we're going to have to pay out $7 billion, but we're still going to net $13, and nobody will go to jail.

02:11:51.000 So...

02:11:52.000 We're good.

02:11:53.000 We'll do it.

02:11:53.000 They don't even lose their jobs.

02:11:55.000 This is what I'm saying!

02:11:56.000 It's crazy.

02:11:57.000 It's insanity!

02:11:59.000 And it's right there, right in front of us, and yet we still just kind of allow these things to go on, because we're not collectively enough angry about it.

02:12:06.000 We're all angry at each other, which is the...

02:12:10.000 There's also too much information to really take account of.

02:12:13.000 There's too many stories, too many different things.

02:12:16.000 There's too much stuff going on. 1.00

02:12:17.000 To be aware of all of these different scandals, even just with pharmaceutical companies, you'd lose your fucking mind. 1.00

02:12:27.000 You don't have the time. 0.99

02:12:29.000 No, exactly.

02:12:31.000 But to have leaders that are on top of that stuff that we can trust, which we don't.

02:12:35.000 Definitely don't.

02:12:35.000 Our politicians are all bought and sold.

02:12:38.000 I mean, even the ones that I like or want to like, I don't trust that they have the ability to navigate all of that political scene and not end up fucking contorted by compromise by the time they get to a place of actual leadership where they can do things.

02:12:52.000 Yeah.

02:12:53.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

02:12:53.000 It's like, how can we trust this system when the system itself is fucking broken? 0.98

02:13:00.000 So it doesn't matter how good or altruistic a soul you throw into that shark's den. 0.97

02:13:06.000 They're fending it all.

02:13:08.000 And then, of course, here comes like, hey, we're a lobby and we'd love to support you for your next campaign.

02:13:12.000 And I know you really need the money.

02:13:14.000 And so maybe just don't talk about this.

02:13:16.000 Or do talk about this.

02:13:18.000 And it'll be, you know, the first taste is free. 0.99

02:13:21.000 And then there's just slowly integrity just out the fucking window. 0.99

02:13:25.000 So we gotta legalize mushrooms. 0.99

02:13:28.000 That's how we fix it.

02:13:29.000 That would help.

02:13:30.000 Spread it across the board, all of them.

02:13:32.000 They'd get Rick Perry.

02:13:33.000 They'd get the government.

02:13:35.000 The governor, Rick Perry.

02:13:36.000 That guy's pro-mushrooms now?

02:13:38.000 I think so.

02:13:39.000 I was just talking to somebody about this recently.

02:13:41.000 I think Rick Perry has turned a corner and understands that there is a lot of value, as there is.

02:13:47.000 True value.

02:13:48.000 Plenty of these clinical studies have been saying this.

02:13:50.000 There's true value in allowing us to responsibly Use these things to heal people's minds and hearts and bodies.

02:13:59.000 This is a good thing.

02:14:00.000 Also, there's no good reason why it's illegal.

02:14:02.000 And if it is legal, then we can study it and find out maybe it's not for everybody.

02:14:07.000 And let's find out why.

02:14:09.000 Because there's probably some people out there that shouldn't be taking it.

02:14:14.000 And they're not going to know that.

02:14:15.000 They're not going to know that if we keep it illegal.

02:14:17.000 People are all going to think that you're keeping it from them and that they all deserve to use it.

02:14:22.000 But meanwhile, there's probably people out there that are allergic to them, just like they're allergic to everything.

02:14:28.000 Yeah.

02:14:28.000 And there's no way to tell.

02:14:29.000 There's probably people out there that are hypersensitive.

02:14:31.000 There might be, like, a gene expression that, you know, they should probably keep away from mushrooms because of this or because of that.

02:14:37.000 Like, we don't know any of those things, unfortunately, because it's all in the dark.

02:14:41.000 But all we do know is that, like, the John Hopkins studies and all these different studies where people are showing beneficial results from giving psilocybin to people in these clinical settings, it's really interesting, man.

02:14:54.000 It's really interesting stuff because it's like changing the way people interface with life.

02:14:58.000 And almost all of them report at least some alleviation of the anxiety that was evolved and the trauma that they were trying to work through.

02:15:08.000 Psilocybin has done some really deep healing in my life.

02:15:12.000 I think it's a...

02:15:14.000 Again, something to be respected.

02:15:15.000 It's plant medicine.

02:15:17.000 But I think it's something that very much, even from my own personal experience, I think it has a lot of healing property.

02:15:23.000 There's a lot of mushroom users out here in Austin.

02:15:27.000 I think they're everywhere, bro.

02:15:28.000 There's a lot of them out here.

02:15:29.000 Yeah, I think they're everywhere.

02:15:30.000 But I think it's because people are waking up to that and not being as afraid, I guess.

02:15:35.000 I don't know.

02:15:36.000 I don't think we should be...

02:15:39.000 Constantly judging and shaming and judging and shaming and judging and shaming, which is what we've been doing for way too long about far too many things.

02:15:45.000 We're not leading in that love.

02:15:47.000 We're leading in that fear.

02:15:48.000 So judge, shame, judge, shame, judge, shame.

02:15:50.000 Well, it's also pharmaceutical companies don't want you to have things that are going to cut into their profits, just like somebody would want to destroy that water machine because they're selling water.

02:16:00.000 Oh, certainly.

02:16:03.000 We absolutely don't want you developing these natural alternatives.

02:16:09.000 What is the stuff I've heard about you talk about before they have it done in Mexico but you can't get it here that's like totally healed people?

02:16:14.000 Ibogaine.

02:16:15.000 Ibogaine.

02:16:16.000 What is that?

02:16:17.000 Is that like a plant?

02:16:18.000 Ibogaine is what Hunter S. Thompson accused Was it Humphreys?

02:16:25.000 Yeah, it was Humphreys during the presidential race.

02:16:28.000 He made Humphreys go crazy because he wrote all these stories about them bringing in Brazilian witch doctors and that he had a serious Ibogaine addiction.

02:16:41.000 And if you've ever heard anything- He was accusing Humphreys of having an Ibogaine addiction?

02:16:44.000 Yeah.

02:16:45.000 He just made a fake rumor.

02:16:46.000 And Hunter would write things that weren't true at all.

02:16:51.000 Oh, it was Ed Muskie.

02:16:52.000 That's right.

02:16:53.000 The drug hunter claimed Muskie was being treated with was a little known root called Tabernath Iboga or Ibogaine.

02:17:00.000 That's right.

02:17:02.000 So he admitted, I think he was on the Dick Cavett show.

02:17:07.000 See if you can find the clip of him admitting it.

02:17:10.000 That's probably him there.

02:17:11.000 That is the clip.

02:17:12.000 That's what he looked like.

02:17:13.000 And so he starts talking about this, Jamie will pull it up.

02:17:19.000 But that drug is a very, very introspective drug.

02:17:23.000 It's not a fun experience.

02:17:25.000 Everybody that I know that's tried it, said it's horrific.

02:17:29.000 But very beneficial after it's over.

02:17:33.000 My friend Dakota Meyer did it and he said it helped him a lot.

02:17:37.000 He said, but it sucked while he was doing it. 0.97

02:17:39.000 Like he was like fucking angry that someone made him do that or suggested he would do that. 0.97

02:17:44.000 But then afterwards, he had another psychedelic experience and he realized the benefit of it. 0.90

02:17:49.000 But it's something that really helps people with addiction issues in particular.

02:17:55.000 For whatever reason, it's really good for helping people get off opiates and cigarettes and alcohol.

02:18:01.000 Finally said, well, you made it all out.

02:18:02.000 I couldn't believe that people really believed that Muskie was eating eating again.

02:18:05.000 I never said he was.

02:18:06.000 I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was.

02:18:08.000 Which was true, and I started the rumor in Milwaukee.

02:18:11.000 Finally...

02:18:13.000 It was such a trip.

02:18:15.000 I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee, which is true because I started the rumor.

02:18:20.000 That's hilarious.

02:18:21.000 So tell people about your book, man.

02:18:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:18:24.000 Do you have a copy of it here?

02:18:26.000 I don't.

02:18:27.000 They did not send you one.

02:18:30.000 I'll get you one.

02:18:31.000 I'll figure it out.

02:18:32.000 Oh, there you go.

02:18:32.000 There's a picture of it.

02:18:33.000 Yeah, man.

02:18:34.000 So basically, the long story short...

02:18:37.000 I had this whole breakdown.

02:18:38.000 I went to all this therapy.

02:18:39.000 On the heels of going to this life-saving therapy, like literally as I was finishing up my treatment in Connecticut, I got my agency.

02:18:49.000 I told, hey, I'm going to be off-grid for a little while.

02:18:52.000 So, you know, don't send me any auditions or anything like that.

02:18:54.000 I got to do some healing.

02:18:55.000 Cool, cool, cool.

02:18:56.000 And then, of course, two and a half weeks later, I get an email.

02:18:59.000 Hey, so there's a role in Shazam, which, by the way, I had already passed on an audition for that role of Shazam.

02:19:05.000 I never thought I had a chance in hell of getting that job.

02:19:09.000 But also, I was in a very dark place and not loving myself.

02:19:12.000 So months prior, I'd passed on that audition. 0.98

02:19:15.000 Now, I've done some fucking hard work. 0.93

02:19:18.000 I'm seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. 0.97

02:19:19.000 And I get this email from my agency.

02:19:21.000 And they're like, hey, there's another role in Shazam.

02:19:23.000 It's a supporting role.

02:19:24.000 It's like one scene.

02:19:26.000 No pressure.

02:19:26.000 And I just had this breakthrough.

02:19:28.000 And I was like, you know what?

02:19:30.000 I'm going to choose to love myself.

02:19:31.000 And I'm basically finishing up my treatment right now.

02:19:33.000 I feel good.

02:19:35.000 I feel like I'm back on my feet a bit.

02:19:36.000 And I came back from the gym one day, put my phone up, did one take, sent it to my agency.

02:19:41.000 And I'm not going to allow that to define, whether it happens or not, it's not going to define who I am moving forward.

02:19:47.000 By, you know, a couple hours later, my phone's blowing up, and my agent's like, hey man, they liked you so much for that role, but they think you could be their Shazam, they haven't cast it yet.

02:19:57.000 And so, long story shorter, a week later, through all these different things, I wrapped up my therapy, I end up flying to LA, I camera test, and one week from the day of doing that first tape, I was cast as Shazam.

02:20:09.000 So, all of that, none of that would have happened.

02:20:12.000 I fully believe that that door opened for me in my life because I first chose to go do the real hard work, which was to go and love myself, to figure out why I was not operating in a clear and healthy way, right?

02:20:25.000 And that was going to this therapy and, you know, really investing in myself in that way.

02:20:29.000 And that changed energetically, spiritually, it shifted things, and this presented itself and it came into my life.

02:20:36.000 One of the greatest gifts I've ever been given as an actor.

02:20:39.000 Such a fun role and totally changed the trajectory of my career.

02:20:42.000 The career that I was feeling like a total failure in.

02:20:46.000 So when I'm promoting the movie, I tell my publicist, like, listen, I can't talk about the movie without adding, but I only got to do this because of this work and going to therapy.

02:20:58.000 And so I talked about that on a couple of different podcasts, and HarperCollins saw that, and they're like, hey, we think that this could be a book.

02:21:04.000 I never intended to set out to write a book.

02:21:07.000 I have a hard enough time reading books, let alone sitting down to write a book.

02:21:10.000 And I had wonderful help from the folks at HarperCollins, and we made it through.

02:21:15.000 But ultimately, the book is about those three weeks in Connecticut and all of the traumas and things that happened to me throughout my life that put me in that place.

02:21:24.000 And a lot of that is familial.

02:21:26.000 My mom and stepdad, I go into a lot of that.

02:21:28.000 My dad himself and my relationship with him, my relationship with other family, going through school, being bullied relentlessly, all these things.

02:21:38.000 It's just a real, raw, vulnerable take of my life, but it's something that I felt like If we people like myself who have a platform and who have also struggled greatly can just keep normalizing this shit, so many other people will feel...

02:22:11.000 I'm not alone. 0.98

02:22:14.000 But the lies are very real.

02:22:17.000 Your mind is lying to itself.

02:22:19.000 I love that quote, you're not the voice of your mind, you are the one who hears it.

02:22:23.000 That was one of the biggest things I ever learned in all this.

02:22:25.000 That's a great quote.

02:22:25.000 Yeah.

02:22:26.000 It's from The Untethered Soul, a book that I haven't read, but I know that quote from.

02:22:30.000 That's a great quote.

02:22:31.000 Yeah, it's great, right?

02:22:32.000 And by the way, and that's been said in many different ways by many, many intelligent, wise people.

02:22:37.000 It resonates, right?

02:22:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:38.000 But if you can realize that, and you can realize that you're not always telling yourself the truth.

02:22:42.000 I mean, for example, you're driving like on some windy road.

02:22:46.000 You ever have those moments where you're like driving along, you look down the cliff and you go, what if I just, what if I just turned right now?

02:22:51.000 What would that be like?

02:22:52.000 I never have that thought.

02:22:54.000 Never?

02:22:55.000 Not like you want to end it.

02:22:56.000 Like, just running the scenario of what would happen if I drove off this road right now.

02:23:00.000 Never?

02:23:00.000 Nope.

02:23:00.000 I go, don't go near the edge.

02:23:03.000 That's my head.

02:23:04.000 Don't go near the edge.

02:23:05.000 Don't go near the edge.

02:23:06.000 I think a lot of people have these weird thoughts.

02:23:08.000 It's not like you want to do it.

02:23:09.000 It's just like a weird...

02:23:10.000 Like, I'll go to a...

02:23:11.000 A show, like, you know, go to see some theater or something like that.

02:23:14.000 And I've often had the thought of, like, what if I just got up and ran and jumped up on the stage and ran through the back of the stage?

02:23:19.000 What would that happen?

02:23:20.000 I would never do it.

02:23:21.000 But you have those random thoughts.

02:23:23.000 That, to me, is a perfect example of your mind is going in weird places that you have no real control over.

02:23:29.000 So that means it's very capable of lying to you.

02:23:32.000 And the first lies that it digs in, that darkness in those lies, That is the depression and the anxiety and everything saying, you are alone.

02:23:40.000 Nobody else understands.

02:23:41.000 So this is just my attempt to hopefully help as many people walk through the same flames that I did.

02:23:47.000 And already the feedback's been really lovely.

02:23:50.000 And people have hit me up on my DMs and said, I have been struggling so badly.

02:23:55.000 I read your book.

02:23:56.000 It has totally changed my life to this point.

02:23:58.000 I couldn't put it down.

02:24:00.000 I'm going to therapy immediately.

02:24:02.000 I'm trying medication for the first time, whatever it is.

02:24:07.000 Did you read the audio?

02:24:09.000 I did, yeah.

02:24:10.000 I did specifically because I knew you were going to ask me that question.

02:24:14.000 And I do other voiceover and shit anyway, so I was like, I think this would be really interesting to do.

02:24:21.000 And it is a trip, man.

02:24:23.000 Like, it wasn't what I thought it was gonna be.

02:24:26.000 Like, I'm sitting there in this booth, and also, like, you know, you go do, like, voiceover for Tangled or something.

02:24:31.000 You know, you do, like, these long sessions, but you have intermittent, you're saying little lines here and there, whatever. 0.99

02:24:35.000 But to go and sit down and read the book, you go through four chapters, your voice is fucked. 0.99

02:24:41.000 It's gone. 0.99

02:24:42.000 You gotta, like, parse it out, you know?

02:24:44.000 But it was a really interesting experience, and... 0.93

02:24:47.000 I just hope that, you know, again, at the end of the day, if it does well, fucking great.

02:24:51.000 I'd be so stoked.

02:24:53.000 When is it out?

02:24:54.000 Is it out now?

02:24:54.000 It's out now.

02:24:55.000 Yeah, it came out last Tuesday.

02:24:56.000 And yeah, so if anybody out there listening, you know, wants...

02:25:00.000 Well, I'm sure people buy it now.

02:25:02.000 And you look handsome on the cover.

02:25:04.000 Look at that.

02:25:05.000 Thanks, man.

02:25:05.000 Well-dressed.

02:25:06.000 Thank you.

02:25:07.000 All right.

02:25:08.000 Thank you very much for coming here.

02:25:09.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:25:09.000 Tell people your social media.

02:25:11.000 At Zachary Levi on everything.

02:25:12.000 Instagram, Twitter, all that jazz, yeah.

02:25:14.000 Good luck with the book, man.

02:25:15.000 Thanks, bro.

02:25:15.000 Thanks for having me.

02:25:16.000 Very good talking to you.

02:25:16.000 Yeah, you too.

02:25:17.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 19, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1845 - Zachary Levi

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