The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1884 - Anthony Kiedis

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00:00:12.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:13.000 What's happening?

00:00:14.000 What is really happening? 0.99

00:00:15.000 Your show was fucking great. 0.97

00:00:17.000 Thank you. 0.98

00:00:18.000 I really enjoyed it.

00:00:18.000 I'm so happy to hear that.

00:00:20.000 What that means to me is even on an off night, we're still pretty damn good.

00:00:24.000 That was an off night?

00:00:24.000 Way off.

00:00:25.000 Really?

00:00:26.000 Bad sound.

00:00:28.000 Sound was bad?

00:00:29.000 For me.

00:00:29.000 Sounded good.

00:00:32.000 We have high standards.

00:00:33.000 I guess.

00:00:34.000 It was excellent.

00:00:35.000 Thank you.

00:00:36.000 So what else was wrong?

00:00:38.000 Well, I like to dance and I like to get the mojo flowing at maximum photon speed.

00:00:46.000 Right.

00:00:47.000 And my knee was locked up so I couldn't fully flow, which is disconcerting and it actually throws my singing off as well.

00:00:57.000 Well, we talked afterwards about your knee injury, but while you were on stage, I didn't notice anything.

00:01:02.000 You moved great.

00:01:03.000 I can move better, but thanks.

00:01:05.000 The good news for me is I'm surrounded by John, Chad, and Flea, which is just like a huge, uplifting energy circle.

00:01:18.000 So...

00:01:19.000 They carry me.

00:01:20.000 Yeah.

00:01:20.000 How did you injure your knee?

00:01:22.000 Is it just from all the years of dancing on stage?

00:01:24.000 Pounding.

00:01:25.000 Pounding on stage for a hundred years, yeah.

00:01:27.000 You know Maynard from Tool?

00:01:29.000 He's got an artificial hip.

00:01:32.000 From stomping.

00:01:33.000 From stomping.

00:01:34.000 From stomping on stage. 1.00

00:01:35.000 He blew his fucking hip out. 1.00

00:01:37.000 I'm not surprised. 1.00

00:01:38.000 What I am surprised is that Mick Jagger hasn't blown both of his hips out.

00:01:42.000 Oh, man.

00:01:43.000 We saw him when he was at COTA, the Circuit of the Americas here in Austin.

00:01:47.000 It was insane.

00:01:48.000 First of all, it was like a psychedelic experience just seeing him.

00:01:51.000 Because you can't believe that's really Mick Jagger up there. 0.99

00:01:54.000 Like, that's the fucking Rolling Stones. 0.99

00:01:56.000 They were incredible. 1.00

00:01:58.000 And he's still dancing around.

00:02:00.000 He's as old as Biden.

00:02:03.000 He's his only...

00:02:04.000 Which is an official expression, by the way.

00:02:07.000 Yes!

00:02:07.000 I mean, he's commensurate.

00:02:09.000 I think he's basically the same age, right?

00:02:12.000 What is Biden?

00:02:12.000 Biden's like 78, and I think Mick Jagger is like 78 as well.

00:02:18.000 I think he's in the neighborhood, right?

00:02:21.000 How old is he?

00:02:22.000 I think it's because he's 79. He's so light.

00:02:28.000 His bone structure, his anatomy is light.

00:02:32.000 And he's written a song or two.

00:02:35.000 He's older by four months or so.

00:02:36.000 He's older than Biden.

00:02:37.000 That's insane.

00:02:39.000 As you said, he's older than Biden.

00:02:40.000 But meanwhile, he talks great.

00:02:42.000 No, he's not.

00:02:43.000 I'm sorry.

00:02:43.000 No?

00:02:44.000 No, I misread that.

00:02:45.000 They're twins.

00:02:46.000 Biden's older by like eight months.

00:02:47.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Those eight months are a motherfucker. 0.99

00:02:50.000 The eight months are the difference. 1.00

00:02:52.000 You and I shall see.

00:02:54.000 Hopefully we'll see.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:55.000 If we're lucky.

00:02:56.000 We need those black... 1.00

00:02:57.000 How old are you now?

00:02:58.000 I am looking at 60. Looking at it?

00:03:00.000 I'm looking at it.

00:03:01.000 Yeah.

00:03:01.000 Two weeks away.

00:03:02.000 Wow.

00:03:03.000 Yeah.

00:03:03.000 How's it feel?

00:03:05.000 You look great.

00:03:06.000 I feel...

00:03:07.000 Thank you.

00:03:07.000 You look great, too.

00:03:08.000 Thank you.

00:03:09.000 Yep.

00:03:10.000 I don't know how old you are, but...

00:03:11.000 55. Wow!

00:03:13.000 You look real good.

00:03:14.000 Thank you.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 We could grapple later.

00:03:19.000 It feels wonderful.

00:03:21.000 It feels so good.

00:03:23.000 If I can do what I want to do for the next 20, 30 years, I'm just, hallelujah.

00:03:29.000 It's just a matter of the joints, the joints holding up.

00:03:32.000 I think they're going to repair.

00:03:33.000 I think they're going to repair.

00:03:34.000 I went hard last night and I feel better today than I did when I saw you a week ago.

00:03:38.000 Oh, that's great.

00:03:39.000 Did you get any treatments done on the knee or anything?

00:03:42.000 Osteopathy.

00:03:44.000 Osteopathy.

00:03:44.000 What is that?

00:03:46.000 Osteopathy is a medicine, a hands-on medicine, where you have to study for 12 years before you can touch a patient.

00:03:53.000 And they study anatomy, connectivity, all tissues, all bones.

00:03:59.000 And this girl is French, Lucille.

00:04:01.000 And she gets in there and she starts feeling the hamstrings connected to the knee bones, connected to the calf things, connected to the archery foot.

00:04:09.000 And she just starts allowing your body to heal.

00:04:11.000 So she makes some space.

00:04:13.000 With her hands and her mind?

00:04:15.000 Her mind.

00:04:16.000 Oh yeah, you have to be focused.

00:04:18.000 There's a concentration to it.

00:04:21.000 It's not the biggest part, but it's a part.

00:04:24.000 You're looking at me.

00:04:25.000 Okay.

00:04:25.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 Anyway, I had a frozen shoulder.

00:04:29.000 I went to every doctor in the world.

00:04:31.000 Nothing.

00:04:32.000 Oh, really?

00:04:32.000 Three visits with Lucille.

00:04:35.000 You know what's great for shoulders is hanging from your hands.

00:04:39.000 Yeah.

00:04:39.000 A chin-up bar.

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:40.000 It's really good for that.

00:04:41.000 Sounds good.

00:04:41.000 If you have frozen shoulders, impingements and things like that.

00:04:45.000 And there's a theory that, you know, as we are primates...

00:04:48.000 Our ancestors swung from trees and hung on trees and that the joint expresses itself better when it's like constantly put through a range of motion and hanging from things. 0.90

00:05:01.000 And people, especially people with sedentary lifestyles that never really put that kind of like where your body weight sort of stretches out your joint, your joints can kind of collapse and they get impinged and they get kind of fucked up. 0.93

00:05:16.000 I hear that. 0.88

00:05:17.000 That makes sense.

00:05:18.000 We are primates, and it's also mental.

00:05:21.000 Your brain depends on walking.

00:05:24.000 So, old school us, we would walk all day every day, 20, 30 miles, and it's good for your brain.

00:05:32.000 It keeps the Alzheimer's away.

00:05:33.000 You stop walking, the brain kind of freezes up.

00:05:36.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:05:39.000 Activity is one of the very best ways to fight off all sorts of mental degeneration.

00:05:46.000 Yeah.

00:05:46.000 Yes.

00:05:47.000 And music.

00:05:48.000 Yeah, well, that's why, you know, you look so great at 60, because you're always...

00:05:53.000 Bouncing around and moving.

00:05:55.000 I feel bad for people that aren't active.

00:05:58.000 Because you will deteriorate to a point where you're not going to be able to bring it back.

00:06:03.000 If you can maintain, it's so much better to maintain than it is to try to rebuild.

00:06:10.000 Agreed.

00:06:10.000 People need a push.

00:06:11.000 People need an inspiration.

00:06:12.000 They need something that they love and they need maybe somebody to do it with.

00:06:16.000 Right.

00:06:16.000 They need something fun.

00:06:17.000 Yeah.

00:06:18.000 Yeah, that's that's one of the key like some people love running some people love skiing like whatever you love like doing something that you really enjoy doing that keeps you active I think is a great key to that.

00:06:28.000 I need to push.

00:06:30.000 You've been I mean when did you start me you've basically been doing music your whole life and I feel like I started late, relatively speaking.

00:06:42.000 Relatively.

00:06:43.000 Yeah.

00:06:43.000 But you've been performing since you were how old?

00:06:46.000 83, which would put me at 21. I was pretty young.

00:06:49.000 But my friends had been studying and playing and practicing music since they were 10, the guys that I hooked up with musically.

00:06:58.000 So 21 is kind of like, you already have to have started music, like with a sport.

00:07:05.000 If you start at 21, it's kind of late in the game.

00:07:08.000 That's true.

00:07:09.000 So I just got lucky that I had been studying other things that fed into music.

00:07:15.000 So I had something to say.

00:07:17.000 I had rhythm.

00:07:18.000 I had love for dance, love for sound, love for my friends.

00:07:23.000 But I have been performing since I was 21. It's a long time to be in the public eye, live in that life.

00:07:31.000 It is, and it's both wonderful and horrific at the same time.

00:07:37.000 The public eye specifically.

00:07:39.000 I don't think I would trade it because it comes with joy and perks and it's a unique experience, but I love my anonymity.

00:07:51.000 To pieces.

00:07:52.000 I love going out in the world and just...

00:07:56.000 Can you still do that?

00:07:59.000 Yes.

00:08:00.000 Not often.

00:08:01.000 But when I do, I love it.

00:08:03.000 When you can sneak by.

00:08:04.000 I'm not even sneaking.

00:08:06.000 I mean, you don't have to sneak.

00:08:07.000 I think it's the anti-sneak approach that makes you invisible.

00:08:10.000 You go about your business and maybe you just blend in.

00:08:15.000 Los Angeles, California.

00:08:20.000 It's the place where I get noticed and mess with the least.

00:08:24.000 Because they're so used to famous people there.

00:08:26.000 Jaded.

00:08:27.000 Yeah.

00:08:27.000 In a bubble, self-obsessed.

00:08:30.000 Right.

00:08:30.000 They could care less.

00:08:32.000 The minute I walk around New York City, hey, Kedis! 1.00

00:08:36.000 Caught you on the TV! Whatever.

00:08:39.000 Yeah, completely different sort of scenarios with giant masses of people.

00:08:46.000 The New York mass of people is not connected to show business.

00:08:49.000 No.

00:08:50.000 So you have less of the self-obsession.

00:08:52.000 And they love seeing people that they relate to.

00:08:54.000 Right.

00:08:55.000 And they'll let you know about it.

00:08:56.000 Right.

00:08:56.000 They'll stop the car.

00:08:58.000 Yes.

00:09:01.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 But the Los Angeles scene, yeah, that's so true.

00:09:04.000 That's one of the reasons why a lot of people that are famous actually enjoy living in Los Angeles, because people are jaded.

00:09:10.000 You can hang out.

00:09:13.000 People don't care.

00:09:13.000 They leave you alone.

00:09:15.000 I agree.

00:09:16.000 I miss you as a fellow resident.

00:09:19.000 I understand that.

00:09:22.000 But, yeah.

00:09:23.000 L.A., geographically, it's gorgeous.

00:09:27.000 It's a harsh toke these days.

00:09:28.000 It's different.

00:09:30.000 You know, I got out in...

00:09:32.000 We started looking in May of 2020. Like, right when...

00:09:37.000 When they expanded, you know, two weeks to flatten the curve and it got to a month and a half, and I was like, oh, this is not going away.

00:09:46.000 And I started seeing that there was other places where they were taking a more sane approach.

00:09:50.000 I immediately started looking.

00:09:53.000 But I had been thinking about getting out of L.A. anyway.

00:09:56.000 I get anxiety about the sheer numbers of people.

00:10:01.000 There's the traffic, just the untenable volume of human beings.

00:10:09.000 There's a certain level of anxiety that comes with that.

00:10:12.000 When I would go to other places, like if I would go to Montana or go to Utah, it was like, oh, this feels better.

00:10:19.000 This is relaxing.

00:10:20.000 There's less humans.

00:10:22.000 I hear that.

00:10:24.000 You did live in the boondocks, did you not?

00:10:27.000 I lived a little outside.

00:10:28.000 Like, I didn't live in the city city, so it was nice that I got my little break there, but I was always aware it was around the corner.

00:10:35.000 It was always there.

00:10:37.000 I mean, I was living near.

00:10:39.000 There was a lot of, like, owls and coyotes and, you know, mountain lions. 0.99

00:10:44.000 There was a lot of shit out where I lived. 0.99

00:10:46.000 Those are my people. 1.00

00:10:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:47.000 Yeah.

00:10:48.000 Those are my people.

00:10:49.000 You're naming my people.

00:10:50.000 Those are your creatures.

00:10:51.000 Yes.

00:10:52.000 There's a lot of that here.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, the traffic thing is hell.

00:10:58.000 I ride a motorcycle to circumvent as much of it as possible.

00:11:02.000 Do you really?

00:11:02.000 Every day.

00:11:03.000 Wow.

00:11:04.000 Every day unless it's freezing or raining.

00:11:06.000 That is a wild thing to do in Los Angeles to ride a motorcycle because there's so many people on their phone and there's so many cars.

00:11:13.000 You just have to be defensive.

00:11:15.000 It's normal to me.

00:11:16.000 Yeah?

00:11:16.000 It's second nature.

00:11:17.000 Have you always ridden a motorcycle?

00:11:20.000 I started off crashing mini bikes through backyard fences in Michigan.

00:11:26.000 And I put it down for a while.

00:11:28.000 And then sometime in the 80s, Chad Smith showed up on a Suzuki.

00:11:33.000 And I was like, let me try that big bike.

00:11:36.000 And I was hooked.

00:11:37.000 Wow.

00:11:38.000 So you just get around on motorcycles?

00:11:40.000 I do, on a cop bike.

00:11:41.000 Really?

00:11:42.000 Yeah, it's the bike that the California Highway Patrol use.

00:11:47.000 So it's a big cruiser.

00:11:49.000 It's big.

00:11:50.000 It has a windshield.

00:11:50.000 It's fast.

00:11:51.000 It handles like a magic carpet.

00:11:53.000 Yeah?

00:11:55.000 Yeah.

00:11:55.000 I love it.

00:11:57.000 Wow.

00:11:57.000 Yes.

00:11:58.000 Do you have a car, too?

00:12:00.000 Or do you only...

00:12:00.000 No, I have a couple of cars.

00:12:03.000 But it's a pain in the ass to go down the PCH and just wait for an hour to go somewhere. 0.98

00:12:09.000 That's the thing about LA, too. 0.99

00:12:11.000 You're allowed to split the lanes.

00:12:14.000 And people are starting to recognize...

00:12:17.000 Like, oh, there's a bike, I have to make space.

00:12:19.000 Yeah.

00:12:19.000 Well, that's nice.

00:12:21.000 Yes. 1.00

00:12:21.000 Some people are dicks, though. 1.00

00:12:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:24.000 So you can't go by.

00:12:27.000 I have moments.

00:12:28.000 It's also an opportunity to see where I'm at as a human being. 0.98

00:12:33.000 Like, do I want to kill these people or do I just want to... 0.95

00:12:35.000 Forgive them. 0.99

00:12:36.000 Just forgive them and carry on with my life.

00:12:38.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 Not worry about it.

00:12:40.000 It's better.

00:12:41.000 It's a little opportunity to just exercise that aspect of your thoughts.

00:12:45.000 Yeah.

00:12:45.000 Also in a car.

00:12:46.000 Yeah.

00:12:47.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:12:49.000 Who am I? Well, that's one of the nice things about here.

00:12:52.000 Like, people let you in.

00:12:53.000 It's so different.

00:12:54.000 They let you in the lane.

00:12:56.000 They wave.

00:12:57.000 It's like it's a different...

00:12:58.000 They're more friendly.

00:13:00.000 People feel like...

00:13:01.000 I think in Los Angeles, the problem is there's so many human beings that human beings become a bother.

00:13:07.000 Like, God, there's so many people.

00:13:08.000 Whereas here, it's only like a million people.

00:13:11.000 So it's like people are just a little bit more appreciative of each other.

00:13:16.000 It's not that level of tension.

00:13:18.000 This is what I hear.

00:13:20.000 I had a conversation with Guy on the way over here who's kind of investigating options.

00:13:26.000 Texas, nice, no taxes.

00:13:29.000 And I said, well, what do you like about it?

00:13:31.000 What's your main attraction?

00:13:33.000 And he said, people are kinder.

00:13:34.000 People are more thoughtful.

00:13:36.000 Yeah, and I don't think that's something that people would necessarily associate with Texas.

00:13:41.000 But they call it Texas friendly.

00:13:43.000 That's like literally how they describe it.

00:13:47.000 There is no LA friendly.

00:13:49.000 Not really, unfortunately.

00:13:51.000 There's some friendly people.

00:13:53.000 The plus side is when you do meet a person who's friendly, you really appreciate it.

00:13:56.000 It's like a sunny day in Seattle.

00:13:58.000 Yeah, good point.

00:13:59.000 They mean a lot to you.

00:14:01.000 If you find a really kind, cool person in Los Angeles, it means a lot.

00:14:05.000 Well noted.

00:14:06.000 Yeah.

00:14:07.000 Yes.

00:14:09.000 So what's the horrific aspect of being famous for so long?

00:14:17.000 Lack of anonymity.

00:14:19.000 So that's the big one for you.

00:14:21.000 Yes.

00:14:22.000 I really have no complaints.

00:14:24.000 I love my job so much.

00:14:26.000 I don't know what I did to deserve it, but it is...

00:14:30.000 You're really good at it.

00:14:31.000 That's what you did to deserve it.

00:14:34.000 I do work hard.

00:14:35.000 But I was taught how to work hard by my boys in the band, because they all work hard.

00:14:40.000 Really hard.

00:14:41.000 They could tell.

00:14:42.000 They're obsessed.

00:14:43.000 They're obsessed with practicing and learning and pushing the boundaries and evolving and tapping into that which you cannot see or totally understand.

00:14:55.000 Horrific.

00:14:56.000 Maybe I exaggerated with the word horrific.

00:14:58.000 It's a good word, though.

00:15:00.000 It's a good word.

00:15:01.000 It's got the word horror.

00:15:03.000 I know you like some horror.

00:15:05.000 Yeah, it's not really horrific if I think about it.

00:15:09.000 No.

00:15:09.000 I take that back.

00:15:10.000 It's just inconvenient sometimes, maybe.

00:15:15.000 Sometimes I'm shy and bashful and reclusive and I just want to chill.

00:15:21.000 And people want to take pictures or have me talk to their girlfriend on the phone.

00:15:28.000 Small price, small price.

00:15:31.000 This brings me to my new philosophy in life which I remind myself every day.

00:15:37.000 Can I give it to you?

00:15:38.000 Yeah, please.

00:15:40.000 So two months ago, we were playing at the MetLife Stadium in New Jersey.

00:15:45.000 Big, beautiful stadium full of people excited to sing and dance.

00:15:49.000 And these two painter sisters from Texas, raised in Manhattan, brought their friend to the show.

00:15:56.000 We're like, great, come and we'll hook you up with tickets and passes.

00:15:59.000 Come say hello.

00:16:00.000 Beautiful people.

00:16:02.000 And the girl they brought...

00:16:04.000 Was radiant in every aspect of the word.

00:16:08.000 Physically, beautiful, energy, kindness, just light.

00:16:13.000 And all of my friends were like, who's that girl?

00:16:16.000 That girl's amazing. 1.00

00:16:17.000 Just a friend of our painter friends.

00:16:20.000 And a week went by, and I opened the paper, and I saw this girl had died.

00:16:28.000 Unexpectedly.

00:16:28.000 33-year-old actor, model, artist.

00:16:32.000 Wow.

00:16:33.000 And she woke up and died.

00:16:35.000 And they're not sure why.

00:16:36.000 Maybe sepsis...

00:16:38.000 Who knows?

00:16:40.000 Young people are dying these days. 1.00

00:16:44.000 And I thought to myself, I woke up today and I complained about how long my room service took, how muggy it was outside, and the traffic, and...

00:16:55.000 And I decided this girl was just a giver of a human being, and she got plucked. 0.99

00:17:03.000 So I said to myself, don't be a bitch. 1.00

00:17:06.000 Nothing to do with gender or animals, just bitchliness, selfishness, self-obsessed, self-centered, whiny. 1.00

00:17:16.000 Weakness. 0.99

00:17:17.000 Yeah.

00:17:17.000 And what do I have to complain about?

00:17:20.000 Right.

00:17:21.000 Very little.

00:17:22.000 Very little.

00:17:23.000 Relatively speaking, it's almost like you can't complain.

00:17:26.000 Can't complain.

00:17:26.000 Yeah.

00:17:27.000 I mean, let's look around the world.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:29.000 Syria, Yemen, Ukraine.

00:17:32.000 Right.

00:17:33.000 On and on.

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:34.000 So every time I go there, which is daily, I wake up and I'm like, where's my thing?

00:17:39.000 And how come these people aren't doing what I want them to do? 1.00

00:17:42.000 The voice comes into my head, don't be a bitch. 1.00

00:17:44.000 Right. 1.00

00:17:45.000 So that's my new live by philosophy.

00:17:48.000 It's a good philosophy.

00:17:49.000 It's hard for people sometimes to have perspective, you know, because your life is your life and any little irritation, you know, if you just allow momentum to take you in that general direction, which is a lot of what people do, they sort of operate on momentum.

00:18:03.000 They don't think, they just react.

00:18:05.000 And then you lose perspective.

00:18:08.000 It's hard sometimes to pull it back.

00:18:11.000 Do you meditate at all?

00:18:13.000 I do meditate at all.

00:18:15.000 Not enough.

00:18:16.000 But I do.

00:18:17.000 And I love it.

00:18:18.000 And it's my go-to.

00:18:20.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 And I believe in it.

00:18:23.000 Rick Rubin actually shared the art of meditation with me when I was a kid, younger, early 90s.

00:18:32.000 He brought the TM Institute into his living room and offered the whole band an opportunity to learn.

00:18:41.000 And we were so crass and obnoxious that we laughed through the entire lesson.

00:18:48.000 This, you know, East Indian guys up there with a chalkboard pointing at sound waves and different transcendental meditation concepts.

00:18:55.000 We're just laughing obtrusively.

00:18:58.000 Can't stop.

00:19:00.000 But it wasn't because we didn't feel it or understand it or believe in it.

00:19:04.000 It was just the presentation itself.

00:19:07.000 But it stuck and we got our mantras and we got our practice and I did it...

00:19:17.000 Religiously for a while, and then I put it down.

00:19:20.000 But now whenever I feel like the monkey mind in a car, in a plane, in a train, in my bathtub, in a tiny little kid's chair somewhere on the back porch, I'll take 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and it's profound.

00:19:37.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 You?

00:19:38.000 Yeah, I do.

00:19:38.000 I do.

00:19:39.000 I like to do it in different places.

00:19:41.000 I do it a lot of times in the sauna.

00:19:44.000 I like to do deep breathing exercises in the sauna, so I'm kind of uncomfortable at the same time.

00:19:50.000 And also, like, I multitask.

00:19:52.000 Kill two birds with one stone that way.

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 But it allows me to...

00:19:56.000 Resetting, like, just having time alone with your thoughts...

00:20:00.000 I have friends in show business that are never alone, and they're the most troubled, I find, because they don't have space to just sit and just sort of put it all into perspective and bring yourself back to baseline and appreciate it.

00:20:17.000 Sometimes you just constantly, look what I was talking about, momentum.

00:20:21.000 That's a real problem with people, that you're doing things and things are happening and you keep going.

00:20:26.000 And then the stresses of these things compile and pile on, and you never have a chance to step back and go, wow, what a wild ride I'm on.

00:20:35.000 This is incredible.

00:20:36.000 This is amazing.

00:20:37.000 I should be so thankful and so appreciative.

00:20:39.000 Instead, you're just so caught up.

00:20:41.000 My agent said, what?

00:20:42.000 What am I doing?

00:20:43.000 Why do we have to be there then?

00:20:45.000 You have to...

00:20:47.000 Bring it back to baseline.

00:20:49.000 Appreciate where you're at.

00:20:50.000 Say, wow, how lucky.

00:20:52.000 How lucky just to be a human in 2022. What a great time.

00:20:56.000 You don't die of cholera. 1.00

00:20:58.000 What a great time with all the medicine and fucking technology and all the... 0.99

00:21:03.000 Obviously, there's downsides to all that stuff, too. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Pretty fucking good time to be alive. 0.97

00:21:09.000 What a great roll of the dice to be here and to be an American. 0.98

00:21:12.000 And this is a place where you're free to pursue your goal.

00:21:15.000 You don't have to wear a headscarf. 0.99

00:21:17.000 You're not like in a religious autocrat society where you're told what to do, which happens in 2022. So you're in this place, as imperfect as it is, which provides you with an immense amount of freedom.

00:21:30.000 We're fucking so fortunate. 0.94

00:21:32.000 So fortunate. 0.97

00:21:33.000 We're fortunate at this very moment.

00:21:35.000 Yes.

00:21:36.000 However, Steve Van Zandt is required to wear a headscarf. 0.62

00:21:39.000 Oh, he has to?

00:21:40.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 That's part of his gig, though.

00:21:42.000 It's New Jersey.

00:21:42.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 It's a law.

00:21:43.000 Well, seeing him on The Sopranos with the fucking wig on, it was like, wow. 1.00

00:21:49.000 Ooh. 1.00

00:21:49.000 He was amazing. 1.00

00:21:51.000 Isn't it amazing when someone's a really great musician but also can act their ass off?

00:21:57.000 He did great.

00:21:58.000 I think it was very custom for his sensibility.

00:22:02.000 And he's a good musician.

00:22:04.000 I respect him as a musician, no doubt.

00:22:07.000 Not that he cares.

00:22:08.000 But he's an even better musical historian.

00:22:11.000 Is he?

00:22:11.000 His radio show, Underground Garage?

00:22:14.000 Oh, that's right.

00:22:15.000 Oh my god.

00:22:16.000 I've heard it's amazing.

00:22:17.000 He breaks it down.

00:22:19.000 The players, the people, the producers, the eras, the cities, the what led to what led to what.

00:22:26.000 He's good.

00:22:27.000 I really appreciate musicians that have a deep appreciation for the history of music.

00:22:34.000 You know who's great about that?

00:22:36.000 Henry Rollins. 0.99

00:22:37.000 That motherfucker loves music so much. 1.00

00:22:40.000 He has this incredible stereo system in his house, this amazing collection of records. 1.00

00:22:46.000 He has a radio show as well.

00:22:48.000 I'm not sure if he's still doing it, but when I had him on the podcast to talk to him about his love of music and love of Collecting records and everything. 0.54

00:22:56.000 Just the fucking excitement in his voice and the passion in his eyes, the way he describes these things.

00:23:02.000 It's so infectious. 0.99

00:23:03.000 It's infectious.

00:23:04.000 It's also a beautiful subject, a historical subject to spend your life studying.

00:23:10.000 Well, you're in it, right?

00:23:12.000 You are a musician, but to someone observing it from the outside like myself, it's one of the more fascinating aspects of human culture is that people create sounds And you create them with lyrics and you put it together in this way that literally acts as a drug.

00:23:34.000 Like it makes people feel good.

00:23:37.000 There's something about that.

00:23:40.000 There's something about it.

00:23:42.000 When the music, like when a song comes on.

00:23:45.000 That you haven't heard in a long time, you know, like Midnight Rider, like the Allman Brothers.

00:23:51.000 Like the beginning... 1.00

00:23:51.000 You're like, holy shit, that fucking song! 1.00

00:23:56.000 Like, woo! 1.00

00:23:57.000 It's a drug!

00:23:58.000 It's a drug!

00:24:00.000 Well, literally, your brain is releasing its serotonin.

00:24:03.000 And there's something...

00:24:06.000 That we've come to expect because it's a normal part of life.

00:24:10.000 We all listen to music.

00:24:12.000 But there's moments where you can just step outside of it and realize how amazing the creation of music is.

00:24:21.000 It's so amazing.

00:24:23.000 That's why I became a musician, because of the high that I got from listening to Henry Rollins, Black Flag, drinking black coffee.

00:24:31.000 It made me feel so alive, so full of everything, so drugged up.

00:24:38.000 I want to make people feel like that.

00:24:41.000 Defunct made me dance like lightning bolts on the dance floor.

00:24:46.000 I want to make people feel like that.

00:24:48.000 That was my number one motivation.

00:24:49.000 And the love of my found family.

00:24:53.000 My high school boys.

00:24:55.000 Just wanting to hang out with them.

00:24:56.000 But more than anything, I heard the message by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.

00:25:02.000 And I just wanted to roll down the street lighter than air.

00:25:07.000 How do I make people feel like that?

00:25:09.000 How can I be a part of something that makes people feel like floating down the street?

00:25:16.000 It really is.

00:25:17.000 It's a drug.

00:25:19.000 It's a super positive, creative drug that makes you incredibly connected to the people that make it.

00:25:28.000 You know, I mean, I was watching the, I don't know if you've seen the Elvis movie, the new movie on Elvis.

00:25:33.000 Did not.

00:25:34.000 Pretty interesting.

00:25:35.000 I have my own movie of Elvis in my head that I didn't want to change.

00:25:40.000 Right.

00:25:41.000 But go ahead.

00:25:41.000 I don't think it'll change it.

00:25:42.000 All right.

00:25:43.000 I mean, it's, you know, it's dramatization.

00:25:45.000 It's obviously Tom Hanks as the Colonel.

00:25:48.000 You're seeing Tom Hanks.

00:25:49.000 That's decent casting.

00:25:50.000 Oh, it's great.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 Oh, he's great in it.

00:25:52.000 He's great in it.

00:25:53.000 It's really good.

00:25:54.000 It's really good.

00:25:55.000 I mean, it leaves out a lot. 0.99

00:25:56.000 It kind of glosses over a lot of shit. 0.99

00:25:59.000 But... 1.00

00:26:00.000 You realize that the reaction that these people are having to his music, it's like, and everybody's like, what the fuck is going on? 1.00

00:26:08.000 It's like they're all on drugs. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Like, all these women are on drugs. 1.00

00:26:12.000 They're screaming, they're throwing panties at them, and Back then, there wasn't really someone like him before him.

00:26:20.000 You know, so he comes around and they all freak out because it's a new drug.

00:26:25.000 It's this new feeling that you get from this creation, this, you know, combination of artists and music and sounds delivered by this one guy.

00:26:33.000 And he's saying, you ain't nothing but a hound dog.

00:26:36.000 And they're all going, ah!

00:26:38.000 It's wild!

00:26:41.000 It was great.

00:26:42.000 It took me so long to realize how good he was.

00:26:46.000 Part of my fuel as a teenager and young 20s was just hate of other people's art.

00:26:53.000 Like, we'll show you.

00:26:55.000 We'll make something different and better.

00:26:58.000 Which is positive.

00:26:59.000 It has to happen.

00:27:00.000 You have to rebel against that which has come before you at a certain point.

00:27:05.000 But as I got older, I realized this man is the real deal.

00:27:10.000 As was Little Richard, as were the Everly Brothers, as were all the boys that led up to Elvis.

00:27:18.000 Flea and I went to Graceland in the early 80s.

00:27:22.000 We were on tour.

00:27:23.000 We were in a van.

00:27:24.000 We hadn't slept on a bed for months.

00:27:28.000 All we had was the leather jackets on our back and nothing else.

00:27:33.000 But we were in Memphis playing a show, probably in a barn or something.

00:27:39.000 And we're like, didn't Elvis have a house here?

00:27:40.000 Can't we go walk through his house?

00:27:43.000 So we went to Graceland when it was not commercialized.

00:27:47.000 It was a very small little tour.

00:27:49.000 You could walk right through the house, into his cars, the garage.

00:27:53.000 There were no restrictions.

00:27:56.000 And I went in there and I was so obnoxious and so horrible because all these people were just in awe of every little element of Elvis's life. 0.98

00:28:06.000 I was like, isn't this where he took a shit on the toilet and OD'd on pills? 0.99

00:28:12.000 Because I was just a little idiotic punk rocker who had no broader sense of greatness and how people might be relating to this guy. 0.99

00:28:23.000 It's just a stupid little memory I feel embarrassed about, but that's who I was at the time. 0.99

00:28:30.000 Well, that's so normal for young artists to hate on art that they think is uncool or commercial or derivative. 0.98

00:28:41.000 Like, that was the knock on Elvis.

00:28:42.000 He was still derivative of black culture. 1.00

00:28:44.000 But what's he gonna do?

00:28:45.000 That's what he likes.

00:28:47.000 He's affected and influenced by those people and he's creating his own music.

00:28:52.000 What is he supposed to do?

00:28:53.000 Not do it?

00:28:54.000 Obviously people loved it.

00:28:55.000 It was amazing.

00:28:57.000 But I get the resentment from those artists.

00:29:00.000 I understand that.

00:29:01.000 But there's a thing from young people coming up where you just want to hate on the things that you think are uncool, you know?

00:29:10.000 We made a career out of that for a couple of years.

00:29:15.000 But as far as borrowing and using culture that you love, which can be construed as appropriation, I'm all for it.

00:29:27.000 I want to be appropriated.

00:29:29.000 And I think that's what culture is for.

00:29:31.000 Yes.

00:29:33.000 Enjoying and loving and learning and taking and assimilating.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, it should be that.

00:29:39.000 We went to, yeah, it should be that.

00:29:41.000 I want to dress like you because you look great.

00:29:43.000 I mean, it should be that with art, with food, with everything.

00:29:46.000 Yeah, appropriate on.

00:29:48.000 Yeah, I mean, that's literally we are building on the backs of the people that came before us.

00:29:53.000 All of us are in everything we do.

00:29:56.000 In the way we talk, in literature, in everything, we build upon the people that came before.

00:30:04.000 And this idea of cultural appropriation being a negative thing to me is preposterous.

00:30:11.000 It's a respect.

00:30:13.000 You don't culturally appropriate things that you don't love.

00:30:16.000 It's a love.

00:30:17.000 You love those things. 1.00

00:30:18.000 If you're cooking Mexican food and you happen to be Dutch, who gives a shit, man? 1.00

00:30:23.000 That's not going to be good Mexican, but yes. 1.00

00:30:25.000 It might be.

00:30:27.000 Was that guy Rick Bayless?

00:30:29.000 Skip Bayless's brother.

00:30:31.000 What?

00:30:32.000 Right?

00:30:32.000 Skip Bayless's brother?

00:30:33.000 Rick Bayless is like one of the premier Mexican food chefs in the world.

00:30:39.000 And he's an American. 0.86

00:30:41.000 And people shit on him because this guy has like this deep love of Mexican cuisine. 0.99

00:30:47.000 It's very infectious. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Don't shit on him. 0.99

00:30:48.000 Please. 0.99

00:30:49.000 I mean, not physically.

00:30:50.000 He makes all these videos and he talks about...

00:30:53.000 I mean, he's famous.

00:30:54.000 He's got a restaurant in Chicago that's this famous Mexican restaurant.

00:30:58.000 This is the guy.

00:30:59.000 But this guy, he's super into Mexican food.

00:31:03.000 Is that his Instagram?

00:31:04.000 Rick underscore Bayless.

00:31:07.000 So it's really all about the burrito.

00:31:09.000 Can he make a good burrito?

00:31:10.000 I bet he can make anything, man.

00:31:11.000 Okay. 1.00

00:31:12.000 That fucking guy loves Mexican food. 1.00

00:31:14.000 But it's real. 1.00

00:31:15.000 It's a real love.

00:31:17.000 What do you want him to do?

00:31:18.000 Not do it?

00:31:18.000 I want him to do it.

00:31:19.000 Yeah, but imagine people that are mad at him.

00:31:22.000 Don't do what you love because you weren't born on the same patch of dirt as the people. 0.98

00:31:27.000 Come on, it's crazy.

00:31:28.000 No, I love appropriating.

00:31:29.000 I've been doing it my whole life and I love it.

00:31:31.000 I'll never stop.

00:31:32.000 We went to a Native American reservation Wednesday, last Wednesday, to play a show.

00:31:42.000 And about nine months ago, we were putting out all this music, and Flea had been to a powwow.

00:31:51.000 And he's like, the dancing blew me away.

00:31:54.000 They're so dedicated.

00:31:54.000 They're so beautiful, so artful.

00:31:57.000 It's like, we got to get to a reservation and play music.

00:32:00.000 I was like, great idea.

00:32:01.000 Let's do it.

00:32:02.000 So it finally came to pass last Wednesday.

00:32:07.000 Somehow we chose the Hoopa Tribe in Northern California, in Hoopa Valley, California.

00:32:13.000 And we arrive, and it's a school gymnasium, and it's a free concert, and all of our equipment is there.

00:32:22.000 It's just cool people.

00:32:23.000 They're very poor and very isolated, and we just wanted to go rock out for them.

00:32:29.000 But the first thing they did...

00:32:32.000 Was give us all this cool stuff that they made, which is Native American gear.

00:32:38.000 And they wanted us to wear it.

00:32:40.000 They're not worried about appropriation.

00:32:43.000 We could sing songs all day long about our take, like my band, on their experience.

00:32:48.000 They love it.

00:32:49.000 If we get it right, if we get it wrong, they just love that we care.

00:32:52.000 And it was the best show of the year for us.

00:32:57.000 Because nobody paid.

00:32:59.000 It was kids in a school gymnasium in the middle of nowhere.

00:33:03.000 Surreal.

00:33:04.000 They didn't believe we were coming.

00:33:05.000 They're like, we don't believe it.

00:33:07.000 Why?

00:33:08.000 Why us?

00:33:09.000 Like, we chose you.

00:33:10.000 Let's just have fun.

00:33:11.000 That's amazing.

00:33:13.000 But they definitely defied the concept of appropriation right off the bat.

00:33:18.000 Here's our stuff.

00:33:20.000 Please wear it.

00:33:22.000 Well, I think that's great.

00:33:24.000 They love the fact that you appreciated their culture.

00:33:28.000 We love the culture.

00:33:29.000 We love it.

00:33:31.000 And people are people.

00:33:34.000 I don't care.

00:33:37.000 What class you come from, what race you come from, what gender you come from, people are people. 1.00

00:33:41.000 You're going to be assholes and you're going to be amazing people. 1.00

00:33:44.000 Just people are people. 1.00

00:33:45.000 Yeah.

00:33:46.000 Yeah.

00:33:47.000 And the variables, the differences, that's one of the cooler things.

00:33:51.000 Of course.

00:33:52.000 Yeah.

00:33:52.000 I mean, I don't want everybody to assimilate and become one thing, but I do love the fact there are so much variety of types of cultures.

00:34:03.000 Thank God.

00:34:04.000 Thank God.

00:34:05.000 It's one of the cooler things about humans.

00:34:07.000 There's so many different ways to live life.

00:34:12.000 It's one of the cooler things about the USA. That was our secret weapon to being a culturally interesting place that invented things like jazz and the blues and rock and roll.

00:34:24.000 Stand-up comedy.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 It's an American art form.

00:34:29.000 Yes, because we have the great confluence of everybody.

00:34:33.000 Everybody together.

00:34:35.000 Everybody.

00:34:35.000 Yeah.

00:34:36.000 I love all these other countries we visit on tour, but it's one flavor.

00:34:41.000 Primarily one flavor.

00:34:43.000 And then you get here, and it's the appropriated, assimilated melting pot.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, it really is.

00:34:51.000 It's a wild place to be.

00:34:52.000 We're very fortunate in that regard.

00:34:54.000 Maybe even Texas barbecue.

00:34:57.000 Texas barbecue comes from Germany.

00:34:59.000 What?

00:35:00.000 Yeah, it's Germans. 0.95

00:35:02.000 The Germans that moved to this part of Texas, they smoked their meats. 1.00

00:35:07.000 And they changed it a little bit and adapted it and it ultimately became Texas barbecue.

00:35:14.000 But, like, Texas barbecue, like, brisket?

00:35:16.000 Like, brisket is a cheap cut of meat.

00:35:19.000 Brisket was for poor people.

00:35:20.000 And so, you know, everybody, the expensive cuts of meats, like T-bones and ribeyes, right?

00:35:25.000 Well, brisket, they had to figure out how to cook it and make it edible.

00:35:31.000 Because it's a tough...

00:35:32.000 You know, brisket is, like, the below the ribcage, like, chest area.

00:35:38.000 It's, like, a tough, like, kind of, you know, like, grisly...

00:35:43.000 Yeah.

00:35:58.000 I got introduced to brisket through the Jewish community.

00:36:01.000 Yes, they love it too.

00:36:02.000 I always thought it was Jewish.

00:36:04.000 I didn't even realize it was a German Texas barbecue.

00:36:08.000 Yeah.

00:36:08.000 Well, I mean, that's different chains of it, right?

00:36:11.000 That's what's interesting.

00:36:12.000 Like corned beef, you know, like pastrami.

00:36:15.000 Very Jewish, right? 0.96

00:36:17.000 Yes.

00:36:17.000 And that's their way of cooking that food.

00:36:20.000 And if you go to Montreal, they call it smoked meat.

00:36:26.000 And you get smoked meat sandwiches and it's basically like pastrami and corned beef.

00:36:32.000 They have their version of it up there.

00:36:33.000 It's delicious.

00:36:35.000 Have you considered starting a wild animal barbecue establishment?

00:36:42.000 It's so funny that you say that, because I actually have.

00:36:44.000 I actually talked to my friend Philip Franklin Lee, who's a Michelin star chef.

00:36:52.000 He started this place, Sushi Bar ATX, and now he runs Sushi by Scratch, which is...

00:37:00.000 Literally the most amazing sushi I've ever had in my life.

00:37:02.000 And he's got a new burger place out here that he just opened.

00:37:06.000 What was it called?

00:37:07.000 Not a Chance Burgers.

00:37:08.000 Is that what it's called? 0.98

00:37:09.000 Not a Damn Chance Burgers. 0.79

00:37:11.000 Fantastic chef. 0.72

00:37:12.000 And he and I actually talked about that.

00:37:13.000 Because one of the things about Texas, as opposed to most other states, is that you can actually sell wild game here.

00:37:22.000 Because wild game that's not indigenous to Texas...

00:37:27.000 They have a lot of introduced species.

00:37:31.000 There's an insane amount of animals that they've introduced into private ranches in Texas that have come from Africa and India. 0.99

00:37:41.000 Animals that are endangered in other countries are prevalent here, like oryx, like a scimitar oryx.

00:37:49.000 Very endangered.

00:37:50.000 I think, where are they from?

00:37:51.000 From India or Africa?

00:37:53.000 They're very endangered wherever they're from.

00:37:55.000 Here, they're common.

00:37:56.000 Sounds like a deer.

00:37:57.000 It's like an antelope.

00:38:00.000 They're wild looking creatures.

00:38:02.000 Pull up a scimitar.

00:38:04.000 It looks like it's kind of in the goat family or something.

00:38:08.000 They're crazy looking things.

00:38:10.000 Scimitar oryx.

00:38:13.000 Africa?

00:38:14.000 North Africa.

00:38:16.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:38:18.000 That is a wild looking animal, right?

00:38:20.000 Well, in Texas, they're common. 0.98

00:38:24.000 A lot of people have them, but wherever the fuck, what part of North Africa they're from, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas, in private collections- How many? 0.97

00:38:34.000 Than there are in all of the wild of the world. 0.98

00:38:37.000 What's that number?

00:38:37.000 Thousands.

00:38:38.000 Thousands?

00:38:39.000 Thousands.

00:38:39.000 I think it's somewhere between three and five thousand.

00:38:42.000 There you go.

00:38:43.000 I got one on my arm too, bro.

00:38:44.000 Yes.

00:38:45.000 Year of the Tiger.

00:38:46.000 I have a tiger with Miyamoto Musashi from the Book of Five Rings.

00:38:51.000 Okay.

00:38:52.000 Do you know who that is?

00:38:53.000 I don't.

00:38:53.000 He's a samurai from the 1400s who defeated 62 men in one-on-one combat.

00:39:03.000 And he wrote a book on strategy that I read when I was a teenager, when I was doing martial arts competitions.

00:39:09.000 It's called The Book of Five Rings.

00:39:11.000 And it sort of shaped my philosophy in many ways on life.

00:39:16.000 Because as a samurai, he believed that to be the best sword fighter, you had to be balanced.

00:39:24.000 You had to do calligraphy and poetry and art.

00:39:27.000 And you couldn't have any holes in your game, your mental game, your spiritual game.

00:39:33.000 I like that.

00:39:34.000 And he had a statement that he had a thing that he wrote that carried me throughout my whole life.

00:39:40.000 It's once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

00:39:46.000 And the idea is the way of sword fighting was much like the way of carpentry, was much like the way of art.

00:39:53.000 You see what the way is.

00:39:56.000 It's like get out of your own way and see the path to greatness.

00:40:00.000 See the path to creation.

00:40:02.000 And that you can find it in all things.

00:40:04.000 So once you see it, once you truly understand it, you're not bullshitting yourself, you're not filled with ego, you're not filled with false bravado and fake confidence.

00:40:13.000 Get out of that.

00:40:14.000 Once you see the path, you'll see it in everything.

00:40:18.000 It's like you see a pattern, and that pattern is of creation, and I think you recognize that.

00:40:24.000 It's one of the things that I love about great things.

00:40:27.000 When I see something great, whether it's great piano playing, or someone who's great at chess, or someone's great...

00:40:33.000 I love seeing the path, and seeing someone who just finds the thing to express whatever the energy inside of them is.

00:40:42.000 You do have to get out of your own way.

00:40:44.000 Gotta get out of your own way.

00:40:45.000 You really do.

00:40:46.000 And people that don't get out of their own way, it's so sad.

00:40:49.000 Like, I have friends that don't get out of their own way, I'm like, oh, I wish I could tell you how to do that.

00:40:54.000 Did I see your man in the lobby?

00:40:56.000 The Book of Five Rings, chap?

00:40:59.000 Um...

00:40:59.000 Is he pictured?

00:41:00.000 The armor?

00:41:02.000 There's a painting, a Greg Overton samurai painting, but it's not necessarily Musashi.

00:41:07.000 This is...

00:41:07.000 This is Musashi.

00:41:13.000 That's him.

00:41:14.000 Okay.

00:41:16.000 That's him with the tiger.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:18.000 Did he study animals?

00:41:20.000 No.

00:41:21.000 To figure out there?

00:41:22.000 My buddy Aaron Della Vadova, who's the tattoo artist that did that, he came up with this design.

00:41:29.000 It's nice to have a tiger.

00:41:30.000 Yeah.

00:41:30.000 Tigers are always cool.

00:41:32.000 But anyway, Texas, you can get wild game here and you can sell it.

00:41:38.000 So there's a lot of restaurants here.

00:41:39.000 There's a great place called the Lonesome Dove here in Austin.

00:41:42.000 And Lonesome Dove actually serves wild game, Texas wild game.

00:41:47.000 They have rattlesnake sausage.

00:41:51.000 I would eat that.

00:41:53.000 Neil Guy, which is an Indian animal. 0.74

00:41:55.000 It's really cool looking.

00:41:57.000 Have you ever seen a Neil Guy?

00:41:58.000 Mm-mm.

00:41:59.000 Show that.

00:42:00.000 I'm actually going hunting for one of these things with the television show Meat Eater in December, but a Neil guy is this enormous, 700-pound, crazy antelope-looking thing.

00:42:13.000 Look at that.

00:42:13.000 That's a Neil guy.

00:42:14.000 Looks meaty.

00:42:16.000 Isn't that wild-looking?

00:42:17.000 Buff.

00:42:18.000 Powerful.

00:42:19.000 You were a vegetarian for a while, right?

00:42:22.000 So, on the subject of food, I love food.

00:42:26.000 I love eating food.

00:42:28.000 Who doesn't?

00:42:29.000 I love it.

00:42:30.000 I eat it all day.

00:42:32.000 And I really respect everybody's choice to find their path for eating.

00:42:38.000 I don't impose my concepts of eating on other people.

00:42:43.000 I want everyone to find what works for them because we're all different.

00:42:46.000 Right.

00:42:46.000 We all have different metabolisms, different genetics.

00:42:49.000 Absolutely.

00:42:50.000 And it has been a fantastic journey of trying everything under the sun.

00:42:56.000 For the longest time, I just ate whatever you had.

00:42:59.000 I was so poor and so hungry.

00:43:02.000 Whatever you're cooking, that's what I eat.

00:43:04.000 That's my diet.

00:43:05.000 And then when it got to the point where I started learning about food, I met a girl and her family was vegetarian.

00:43:14.000 And she was so full of love, Ione Skye.

00:43:17.000 Love and light and just a good person and her whole vibe in the family house.

00:43:22.000 I was like, I'll try that.

00:43:25.000 So I did the vegetarian for a few years, got poor again and started eating whatever was available to sustain.

00:43:32.000 And then I tried everything.

00:43:35.000 Pescatarian, vegan.

00:43:38.000 And my body just never totally vibed with any of those things perfectly.

00:43:45.000 Then I met this girl, Terry Cochran, who's a scientist and a nutritionist.

00:43:51.000 And she studies your genes, 23andMe, takes days to study your genes, and plans out your food based on your genetics. 0.99

00:44:01.000 And for me, it was wild frickin' animals.

00:44:05.000 That's what I was resonating with.

00:44:07.000 She's like, I want you to eat alligator, elk, moose, kangaroo. 0.78

00:44:14.000 I was like, really?

00:44:15.000 She's like, yes, all the injuries you're having are going to sort out for you.

00:44:19.000 I was like, I'll try it.

00:44:21.000 And the pandemic hit.

00:44:22.000 I went to Kauai.

00:44:24.000 I hired a chef who could source all of those things, half of these pictures you're showing, antelope.

00:44:30.000 And I had no choice but to eat it because that's all that was in my fridge.

00:44:35.000 The dude would cook and leave me food.

00:44:36.000 I felt the best I've ever felt in my life.

00:44:40.000 The strongest, the fastest, the sharpest, mental clarity.

00:44:45.000 So that's my diet now.

00:44:47.000 Well, it's the most nutrient-dense food on Earth.

00:44:50.000 If you get Wild Game, it has the most protein, the most vitamins.

00:44:56.000 We were talking about a piece of elk meat.

00:44:59.000 If you look at it, it's a deep red color.

00:45:02.000 Very red.

00:45:02.000 And it's just rich with protein and amino acids.

00:45:06.000 It's fantastic for you.

00:45:08.000 I know a lot of people ethically, they don't like the idea of eating animals.

00:45:13.000 I understand it.

00:45:14.000 I get where you're coming from.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, I understand that too.

00:45:16.000 I love animals.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, I do too.

00:45:19.000 That's how I relate to.

00:45:20.000 The thing about animals is they don't live forever.

00:45:22.000 And the way they die in the wild is horrific.

00:45:25.000 In comparison to the way I get them, the way they die without me is way worse.

00:45:32.000 And they're not going to live forever.

00:45:33.000 They have, if they're lucky, they get to 10, 11, 12. Crazy if they get to 12. And most of the time they're getting torn apart by animals.

00:45:44.000 Or they freeze to death.

00:45:46.000 And the farm world is no bueno.

00:45:48.000 No bueno.

00:45:48.000 Not good for us, not good for them.

00:45:50.000 No.

00:45:51.000 Except regenerative agriculture.

00:45:52.000 When people are doing it correctly and they're allowing these animals to roam free on grass-fed farms.

00:45:59.000 There's ways that people do it.

00:46:01.000 There's a guy named Joel Salatin who's got this place called Polyface Farms.

00:46:06.000 And he is...

00:46:08.000 An expert and a proponent of regenerative agriculture where the manure from the cows is the fertilizer for the plants and the pigs, they roam free and they chew up the ground to get roots and the chickens come along and it's like all these animals,

00:46:26.000 they have this symbiotic relationship with the earth and that it's actually carbon neutral when it's done correctly.

00:46:33.000 Well done.

00:46:34.000 The real question is, though, and this is what I've asked a lot of people this, and I can't really get a square answer.

00:46:40.000 Is that sustainable for enormous populations?

00:46:43.000 It doesn't seem like it is.

00:46:45.000 I think nature has a way of creating sustainability, and if you study nature, which that sounds closer to, it might be more sustainable than we think.

00:46:56.000 Population is a beast.

00:46:58.000 Population is a beast.

00:46:59.000 The issue is what's unnatural is a city.

00:47:02.000 When you can jam 20 million people into an area that's not growing anything other than weed, it's kind of weird.

00:47:08.000 It's kind of weird.

00:47:09.000 I mean, you're stuffing all these people into this area.

00:47:12.000 Like Los Angeles, for example, has very little water.

00:47:15.000 You know, and everybody's like condensed and they're all getting food from somewhere.

00:47:19.000 Well, they're not growing it.

00:47:20.000 Everything has to be shipped in so you got all this, you know, the carbons coming from all the trucks that are shipping things in.

00:47:28.000 My favorite is the wild boar.

00:47:31.000 I love it to pieces.

00:47:34.000 And really it comes down to what are these animals eating because that's what makes their composition.

00:47:39.000 So you look at a wild boar, like you said, they're eating roots and leaves and grubs and all this good stuff off the forest floor.

00:47:49.000 And that's turning their meat into something beautiful.

00:47:52.000 And I honor their life and I respect the fact that I'm taking a life But they don't live forever, and you're taking the body, you're not taking the spirit.

00:48:04.000 The thing about wild boar here in Texas, and in California as well, they have to shoot them because they're an invasive species.

00:48:12.000 They brought them in when the Europeans came in whatever year they brought them over to this country, and now they're everywhere. 0.53

00:48:21.000 There's millions of them in Texas.

00:48:23.000 And they literally have to hunt them.

00:48:25.000 They have to because there's no natural predators or certainly not enough.

00:48:29.000 I mean, their only natural predators really are mountain lions.

00:48:32.000 And there's no way mountain lions can keep up with the way they breed.

00:48:36.000 Their gestation period is, I think it's like three months, three weeks, and three days.

00:48:43.000 So they can, in a perfect world, they can have three cycles of gestation every year.

00:48:49.000 So they could have three litters a year.

00:48:52.000 They make Yeah, it's crazy how many they make.

00:48:55.000 And they just go.

00:48:56.000 From the time they're six months old, when they're six months old they can give birth.

00:49:02.000 Which is crazy.

00:49:03.000 A little young.

00:49:04.000 And they're just shooting out piglets. 0.99

00:49:05.000 Yep, yep.

00:49:06.000 And those little piglets are running around destroying crops and there's no natural predators.

00:49:10.000 Well, let me know when you start your wild game barbecue joint.

00:49:14.000 Alright, buddy.

00:49:14.000 Please.

00:49:15.000 I will.

00:49:15.000 I wish if you lived out here, man, I'd supply you with food.

00:49:18.000 I have a lot of meat.

00:49:20.000 I hook up a lot of my friends with elk meat.

00:49:23.000 It's surprisingly attainable.

00:49:25.000 I got elk coming down the pike.

00:49:27.000 I have a little tiny Irish chef called Anya. 1.00

00:49:31.000 And if I say any animal to her, like, I'd like to try some alligators.

00:49:35.000 She's like on the phone getting the alligator scent.

00:49:39.000 It works.

00:49:40.000 Nice.

00:49:41.000 Yes.

00:49:41.000 Yeah, alligator hunted in Florida this year.

00:49:44.000 You hunted.

00:49:45.000 Yeah.

00:49:46.000 It's heavy.

00:49:46.000 I respect that I can't do it.

00:49:48.000 I'm too much of a punk to be able to do it.

00:49:51.000 You're not a punk.

00:49:52.000 You just don't want to do it.

00:49:53.000 It's okay.

00:49:54.000 I get it.

00:49:55.000 I wouldn't want to do it either if I didn't...

00:49:57.000 I just...

00:49:59.000 I was either going to become a vegan or I was going to become a hunter.

00:50:03.000 Those were my two paths. 1.00

00:50:05.000 You should be able to kill the animal. 1.00

00:50:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:07.000 I had seen too many of those factory farming videos, and I was like, fuck all that. 0.98

00:50:13.000 And then my friend Steve Rinella from the show Meat Eater that I was talking to you about, he took me hunting, and I actually shot that deer right there. 0.99

00:50:21.000 That's the first animal I ever shot, that skull on the table.

00:50:24.000 It's a mule deer.

00:50:25.000 That's a mule? 0.91

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:26.000 Well, it's a deer.

00:50:27.000 It's called a mule deer.

00:50:28.000 Yeah, a mule deer.

00:50:29.000 And it's from Montana.

00:50:31.000 We shot that and I ate it and I was like, okay, that makes sense.

00:50:36.000 This makes sense.

00:50:36.000 The experience is difficult to attain.

00:50:39.000 You have to work really hard for it.

00:50:41.000 You're hiking in the mountains.

00:50:42.000 You have to play the wind.

00:50:43.000 You have to be smart.

00:50:45.000 You know, there's a lot going on.

00:50:47.000 And then the reward for it is, you know, a mule deer like that was like a 250 pound animal.

00:50:52.000 So I'm eating that for a couple months.

00:50:53.000 You've got some freezers.

00:50:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:56.000 No, I respect that and I wish I had it in me to come face to face with the creature that I'm eating that I'm taking.

00:51:03.000 I just haven't found it yet.

00:51:05.000 You don't have to.

00:51:06.000 You don't have to.

00:51:06.000 Especially an alligator.

00:51:07.000 I love those guys. 0.99

00:51:09.000 I fucking hate those things. 0.99

00:51:10.000 I love them. 1.00

00:51:10.000 I hate those things because when I was a little kid I used to live in Florida. 1.00

00:51:13.000 I lived in Gainesville and there was a lady that lived in my neighborhood and her dog got snatched. 0.99

00:51:18.000 She's walking her dog, and this fucking alligator comes over and snatches her dog. 1.00

00:51:22.000 There's no convenient market for the alligator. 1.00

00:51:25.000 He's got to find his dog every day.

00:51:28.000 We can walk into a shop.

00:51:29.000 They cannot. 1.00

00:51:30.000 That's true, but fuck them. 1.00

00:51:32.000 I love them. 1.00

00:51:33.000 They eat kids, man.

00:51:34.000 They eat everything.

00:51:36.000 They should. 1.00

00:51:38.000 They've been here 500 million years, second only to the damn shark. 0.99

00:51:43.000 They make good belts. 0.99

00:51:45.000 I can't argue that.

00:51:46.000 I buy alligator leather whenever I can.

00:51:48.000 I don't like them.

00:51:49.000 I like them.

00:51:50.000 I love them.

00:51:51.000 Really?

00:51:51.000 And I love them in my tacos too.

00:51:53.000 I find them to be soulless, evil creatures that are killing machines.

00:51:57.000 This guy raised a baby alligator on his couch watching NFL games. 1.00

00:52:02.000 Yeah, it's going to bite his dick when he's not looking. 1.00

00:52:04.000 It hasn't bitten his dick yet. 1.00

00:52:07.000 They cuddle. 1.00

00:52:08.000 They kiss.

00:52:09.000 Really?

00:52:09.000 They're like this on the couch.

00:52:11.000 That's cute.

00:52:11.000 Give them a chance.

00:52:12.000 Okay.

00:52:13.000 That's cute.

00:52:14.000 They're survivors.

00:52:15.000 Well, they definitely are survivors.

00:52:16.000 They're gorgeous.

00:52:17.000 I mean, they've been here forever.

00:52:18.000 They're gorgeous.

00:52:18.000 I definitely prefer them to crocodiles.

00:52:20.000 Crocodiles can go fuck themselves. 1.00

00:52:21.000 Tougher. 1.00

00:52:22.000 They're meaner.

00:52:22.000 Yeah.

00:52:23.000 They're mean.

00:52:24.000 As are we, by the way, Joe.

00:52:25.000 Yeah, we're pretty mean.

00:52:26.000 We're very mean.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 Well, we use nuclear weapons.

00:52:29.000 Crocodiles, just one creature at a time.

00:52:32.000 Because there's no shopping malls for them.

00:52:34.000 It's true.

00:52:35.000 It's true.

00:52:35.000 What do they got to do?

00:52:36.000 Yeah, they can't go to HEB and cruise the meat aisle.

00:52:40.000 Yep.

00:52:40.000 Yeah, it's true.

00:52:41.000 That's true.

00:52:42.000 I mean, I respect it.

00:52:43.000 I get it.

00:52:44.000 I understand it. 1.00

00:52:45.000 But also, fuck you. 1.00

00:52:47.000 Best alligator farm on earth. 1.00

00:52:49.000 Not a farm.

00:52:50.000 It's kind of a sanctuary.

00:52:53.000 St. Augustine, Florida.

00:52:55.000 Have you been there?

00:52:56.000 I've been to St. Augustine, yeah.

00:52:58.000 Oldest city in the United States of America.

00:53:00.000 Is it really?

00:53:01.000 The single oldest city.

00:53:02.000 Is that where, like, Cabeza de Vaca landed or something?

00:53:04.000 The Spanish landed there.

00:53:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:53:06.000 St. Augustine.

00:53:07.000 That makes sense.

00:53:08.000 It's a gorgeous town, and some weird animal dude, rich guy, philanthropist something, has a sanctuary with something like 700 different breeds of alligators and crocodiles.

00:53:23.000 I didn't know there was that many breeds.

00:53:25.000 Really?

00:53:26.000 It's endless.

00:53:27.000 From the biggest to the tiniest to the albinos to the blue.

00:53:32.000 Wow.

00:53:32.000 Pretty fascinating.

00:53:33.000 Blue?

00:53:34.000 Blue hue.

00:53:35.000 The albino was the wildest looking one.

00:53:39.000 They're pretty freaky.

00:53:40.000 Freaky and also a little extra aggressive.

00:53:43.000 Really?

00:53:44.000 By nature.

00:53:45.000 Wow!

00:53:46.000 The albino ones are.

00:53:47.000 Yes.

00:53:48.000 I saw an albino elk a couple of years ago.

00:53:52.000 They're very rare, but it's occasionally...

00:53:54.000 It was a cow elk, female elk, and it was albino.

00:53:57.000 It was really wild to see.

00:53:59.000 It was like a ghost.

00:54:00.000 That's like a spirit animal.

00:54:01.000 Yeah, and it was really fascinating because I was hunting the males, so I wasn't interested in shooting her at all.

00:54:08.000 Right.

00:54:08.000 I just wanted to look at her.

00:54:10.000 I was like, wow, look at that thing.

00:54:11.000 It's white.

00:54:12.000 Just a pure white elk.

00:54:14.000 Rare.

00:54:15.000 Oh, so rare.

00:54:16.000 Very, very rare.

00:54:17.000 They have them in deer as well.

00:54:19.000 And buffalo.

00:54:20.000 Oh, they got white buffalo?

00:54:21.000 White buffalo, very sacred to the natives of Dakotas.

00:54:24.000 Didn't Ted Nugent have a song about that?

00:54:27.000 Ted Nugent might have had a song about the white buffalo, great white buffalo.

00:54:30.000 A song about him getting trampled by the buffalo.

00:54:33.000 No, look at that.

00:54:33.000 Look at that thing.

00:54:34.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:54:36.000 God, that's beautiful.

00:54:38.000 It snuck into our lyrics on this last record. 1.00

00:54:41.000 Wow, what a fucking cool animal. 0.99

00:54:43.000 By the way, that is some of the most nutritious meat on earth. 1.00

00:54:47.000 Buffalo.

00:54:47.000 Not necessarily the white, but just buffalo in general.

00:54:50.000 No, not necessarily the white. 1.00

00:54:50.000 I probably wouldn't shoot the white ones. 1.00

00:54:52.000 Nope, nope. 0.98

00:54:53.000 It's too rare.

00:54:54.000 You're supposed to let it go.

00:54:55.000 You are.

00:54:56.000 Yeah.

00:54:56.000 I think.

00:54:57.000 They're too inspiring. 0.65

00:54:58.000 Well, it's also, it's like, you know, you just want to kill the common. 0.99

00:55:04.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0.99

00:55:04.000 You want to kill that rare. 0.99

00:55:06.000 The occasional whale shows up with no pigment. 0.98

00:55:09.000 I've seen pink dolphins.

00:55:12.000 White whales.

00:55:13.000 In the Amazon, you have the pink dolphin.

00:55:15.000 Yeah.

00:55:16.000 But in the Pacific, you have the white-ass whale.

00:55:19.000 Actually white.

00:55:20.000 Pure white.

00:55:21.000 Wow.

00:55:22.000 Oh, that's right.

00:55:25.000 Belugas. 0.95

00:55:25.000 Yeah, they're pretty white. 0.95

00:55:26.000 Belugas are white, but there's also like an albino humpback, perhaps?

00:55:31.000 Let me...

00:55:33.000 Cruising the coast of Australia somewhere.

00:55:35.000 Oh, like a very, very rare version of it.

00:55:37.000 Yeah.

00:55:37.000 There we go.

00:55:39.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:55:41.000 Wow.

00:55:43.000 We went whale sighting in Hawaii.

00:55:48.000 I forget what time of the year it was.

00:55:50.000 I want to say it's like around now.

00:55:53.000 One of the whales, they're, but anyway, you go out on a boat, and you just go out into the ocean, and they just look for them in the distance and get close to them, and you get to watch them breach, and they just fly through the water and it's just poosh!

00:56:10.000 It's incredible.

00:56:11.000 You can't even, I mean, you know they're big, but until you actually see them in real life, it doesn't sort of compute.

00:56:20.000 And strong.

00:56:20.000 Oh my god.

00:56:22.000 And majestic, intelligent, bizarre mammals that live in the ocean.

00:56:29.000 That for some reason don't have hands and can't build stuff.

00:56:32.000 Yeah.

00:56:33.000 Which is maybe a blessing for them.

00:56:35.000 And they talk.

00:56:36.000 And sing.

00:56:37.000 Yeah.

00:56:38.000 And love.

00:56:39.000 Yeah.

00:56:40.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 I had a day of surfing with a mother and her calf where I live in Malibu.

00:56:48.000 And it was a great wave day.

00:56:50.000 Just epically beautiful, clear, perfectly shaped waves.

00:56:54.000 But then we had a humpback and her kid. 1.00

00:56:58.000 On the sandbar, because they like to rub their bellies on the sandbar. 0.59

00:57:02.000 And she was kind of sitting right on the takeoff spot for surfing.

00:57:05.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:57:06.000 I was like, I don't really want to disturb mother and child, but I do have to get that wave. 0.95

00:57:11.000 So I got as close as I could to the takeoff spot, and they didn't care.

00:57:16.000 They were like, go for it.

00:57:18.000 You know, we're here, you're here.

00:57:20.000 Spent hours surfing with a whale in my company.

00:57:23.000 Wow!

00:57:25.000 My friend Peter Atiyah, he's a doctor, he told me that orcas, the sounds that they make and their ability to detect sounds, like the frequency that they can project is similar to ultrasound.

00:57:44.000 You know how they use ultrasound to detect an injury?

00:57:48.000 They can see through you.

00:57:50.000 They can see through you.

00:57:51.000 Literally can see through you through the ocean.

00:57:54.000 He goes, it's mind-boggling.

00:57:56.000 Like, we don't even understand, like, what's going on in them.

00:57:58.000 And when you see, like, an orca's brain in comparison to a human brain, like, they've done, and the dolphins as well.

00:58:06.000 Like, dolphins, their cerebral cortex is, like, 40% larger than a human being.

00:58:10.000 So, like, massive brains where dolphins can have one, and an orca is basically a dolphin.

00:58:16.000 It's like the cousin of a dolphin.

00:58:18.000 Dolphin family, yeah.

00:58:19.000 They shut one half of their brain down when they go to sleep.

00:58:24.000 Beautiful.

00:58:24.000 So one half is always awake to look out for danger and problems.

00:58:29.000 So that's how they sleep.

00:58:30.000 They don't sleep like us.

00:58:31.000 They sleep like one half shuts off.

00:58:34.000 Orc is my guy.

00:58:36.000 They're amazing, man.

00:58:37.000 That's what's on my back.

00:58:38.000 Oh, really?

00:58:39.000 Yes.

00:58:41.000 Only killed people in captivity.

00:58:43.000 As long as we're showing ink. 0.54

00:58:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:58:47.000 So that face in the middle is the Haida interpretation of the orca.

00:58:54.000 Yeah, they don't kill people.

00:58:56.000 Only in captivity.

00:58:58.000 Which is fair game. 1.00

00:58:59.000 Fuck yeah, it's fair game. 1.00

00:59:00.000 They're getting tortured. 1.00

00:59:02.000 Anybody who's seen Blackfish or anybody who knows what's going on in Marineland, all this shit that's going on in Canada right now, it's horrible, man. 1.00

00:59:10.000 It's horrible. 0.99

00:59:11.000 It's a form of torture to a sentient animal that might be as smart as us.

00:59:18.000 And one day we're going to look back on the captivity of orcas and dolphins and we're going to be horrified that people are so callous.

00:59:26.000 Or right now.

00:59:27.000 Or right now.

00:59:28.000 Pretty horrified right now.

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:29.000 But I think there's too many people that still don't understand.

00:59:32.000 They still don't know.

00:59:33.000 They'll still go to SeaWorld and watch them jump out of the water.

00:59:37.000 It's crazy.

00:59:38.000 And they're very family.

00:59:39.000 Yeah.

00:59:40.000 They're all about their pod. 1.00

00:59:41.000 Right, which is why it's so sick that they take them from their pod and put them in a fucking swimming pool. 0.99

00:59:46.000 Yeah, we can do better than that. 0.99

00:59:48.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 Well, you know, we should observe them only in the wild.

00:59:52.000 That's what we should do.

00:59:53.000 I mean, they shouldn't allow those places.

00:59:55.000 They shouldn't exist.

00:59:56.000 If you want to have a marine land or a sea world, it should literally be like a place where you can go and they have a giant screen and you watch documentaries of these creatures so you could appreciate them.

01:00:07.000 And maybe you could donate to some sort of a conservation group and they put some of that money to it.

01:00:12.000 But to have them in captivity? 1.00

01:00:13.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:00:15.000 There's no reason for that. 1.00

01:00:17.000 There's zero reason for that.

01:00:19.000 On my bucket list, which I don't really have, but if I did have a bucket list, hanging out in the wild with the orca, preferably surfing, which can be done, but also I would just swim out to one.

01:00:33.000 I feel it has to be done.

01:00:34.000 That's a fear that I want to face.

01:00:36.000 Because they could just...

01:00:38.000 If they wanted to, just swallow you.

01:00:40.000 Yeah, swallow.

01:00:41.000 But they won't, because they never have.

01:00:43.000 No, they don't.

01:00:43.000 Isn't that wild?

01:00:45.000 They've actually helped people.

01:00:46.000 There's people that have been drowning, people that have fallen off of boats, and they've helped them.

01:00:50.000 They've actually rescued humans.

01:00:52.000 They're so smart, man.

01:00:55.000 They've just evolved in a way where they've never figured out how to manipulate their environment.

01:00:59.000 They don't have to.

01:01:00.000 They don't have to.

01:01:01.000 They maneuver through 3D space.

01:01:03.000 They use sound and they communicate in a way that we can't even decipher.

01:01:09.000 I mean, think of all the code smashers, all these people that have figured out these complex codes and they can decipher them.

01:01:16.000 They have no idea what those workers are saying.

01:01:19.000 They know that they have dialects. 0.99

01:01:20.000 So they know they sound different in one part of the world than they do in other parts of the world, but they don't know what the fuck they're saying. 0.99

01:01:26.000 They have no idea. 0.98

01:01:27.000 Half of it's song.

01:01:29.000 They just like singing.

01:01:30.000 I bet, right?

01:01:31.000 And dancing.

01:01:32.000 Have you ever heard of John Lilly?

01:01:35.000 John Lilly is the man who developed the sensory deprivation tank.

01:01:38.000 And he's also a pioneer in interspecies communication.

01:01:43.000 And one of the things he was doing, he was a legitimate scientist.

01:01:47.000 One of the things he was doing was trying to decipher dolphin communication and trying to get dolphins to speak English.

01:01:58.000 Yeah, he was a wild dude.

01:02:01.000 He would take acid and get it in a sensory deprivation tank right next to a tank filled with orcas, and he would try to communicate with them while he was tripping.

01:02:10.000 And one of the things he did was he developed this research center where they had an orca that lived with a woman, and she lived in this house that was filled with water.

01:02:22.000 So the orca could swim around.

01:02:24.000 So for her to get to her bed, she had to like, you know, the water was like, it wasn't an orca, excuse me, it was a dolphin.

01:02:30.000 And the water was like, you know, chest high.

01:02:33.000 So the dolphin would swim around in this house.

01:02:36.000 And then to get into the bed, she'd have to like climb out of the water and into the bed. 0.75

01:02:40.000 And the dolphin was a male dolphin.

01:02:43.000 And it would get distracted because it was so hypersexual. 0.56

01:02:46.000 So she would jerk off the dolphin. 0.89

01:02:48.000 And when they found out about it, they killed the research. 0.94

01:02:52.000 They should have upped the money. 0.99

01:02:55.000 Hire someone to jerk them off more. 1.00

01:02:58.000 They're just as freaking sexual as we are. 1.00

01:03:00.000 Maybe even more so. 0.99

01:03:01.000 But the only way it would participate in these activities was if it got jerked off. 1.00

01:03:06.000 Handjob, handjob. 0.99

01:03:07.000 So they found out and they killed the science. 0.99

01:03:11.000 Yeah, they're humping everything.

01:03:12.000 Yeah, constantly.

01:03:14.000 So without knowing any of that story prior to right now, great story.

01:03:20.000 In 1983, the sensory deprivation tank had become a little bit of a thing in Hollywood, and you could go and rent a little time.

01:03:29.000 We have one here.

01:03:31.000 You have one here.

01:03:32.000 But this is early days.

01:03:33.000 This is John Lilly days.

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:36.000 And out of nowhere, I decided to give my best friend at the time, Tree, some LSD. I said, let's take this LSD, go up to the apartment complex, and we're going to rent an hour in the tank, side by side.

01:03:51.000 And he was like, okay, let's do it.

01:03:53.000 So we took the LSD. We drove his car.

01:03:57.000 We got in the tanks.

01:03:59.000 I thought it was just going to be, ooh, trippy-dippy.

01:04:03.000 Forget it.

01:04:04.000 I was...

01:04:06.000 Ten billion miles away in outer space.

01:04:09.000 An astral plane experience.

01:04:13.000 Completely conscious, but no body.

01:04:16.000 Just flying through the quiet vastness of space.

01:04:21.000 It was almost more than we could handle, but those things are real.

01:04:26.000 The elements combined.

01:04:27.000 I don't do LSD anymore, but as a young man, it made sense to me.

01:04:32.000 The combination of the two things is what's really phenomenal.

01:04:35.000 He invented the sensory deprivation tank because he was trying to figure out a way to separate the mind from any of the physical input of the body.

01:04:45.000 It works.

01:04:46.000 It does work.

01:04:47.000 Probably without LSD. Oh, it definitely does without LSD. It's one of the best ways to achieve a psychedelic state without any drugs.

01:04:55.000 And also you can end it at any time.

01:04:57.000 Just open the door and it's over.

01:04:59.000 It's not like you have to come down from it.

01:05:01.000 It just goes away.

01:05:02.000 I had to come down on that day.

01:05:03.000 I had to get home.

01:05:05.000 I bet you did.

01:05:05.000 How'd you get home?

01:05:06.000 It was tough.

01:05:07.000 It was tough.

01:05:08.000 The roads were disappearing into the car.

01:05:11.000 You have a tank here in the office?

01:05:13.000 It's in the gym.

01:05:14.000 Okay.

01:05:15.000 Yeah, it's right next door.

01:05:15.000 I'll show it to you.

01:05:16.000 Okay.

01:05:16.000 It's awesome.

01:05:17.000 It's from Los Angeles.

01:05:19.000 There's a place called the Float Lab.

01:05:20.000 It's in Venice.

01:05:21.000 It's the premier float destination on Earth.

01:05:24.000 My friend Crash runs it.

01:05:25.000 It's incredible. 0.97

01:05:27.000 Crash is a mad scientist, and he's developed a sensory deprivation tank that's super advanced with ozone filtration and The water filtration is like, he gets these systems that are from like commercial water filtration for like people's drinking water and shit.

01:05:45.000 And he has this whole process of, and then it's a giant tank too. 0.83

01:05:50.000 It's like a meat freezer.

01:05:52.000 Size of this room?

01:05:53.000 No, no, no.

01:05:53.000 It's like from this back to there.

01:05:57.000 But it's like nice and wide where you could reach about.

01:06:01.000 You touch this side and touch that side.

01:06:02.000 So you sort of center yourself in the water.

01:06:03.000 How about just floating on water?

01:06:05.000 Yeah.

01:06:06.000 Pretty good.

01:06:06.000 It's amazing.

01:06:07.000 And there's a thousand pounds of Epsom salts in there.

01:06:09.000 So you're very buoyant.

01:06:11.000 Body temp.

01:06:12.000 Body temp.

01:06:13.000 You don't feel it.

01:06:14.000 95 degrees.

01:06:14.000 You don't feel it.

01:06:15.000 It's incredible.

01:06:15.000 Dark.

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 Pitch black.

01:06:17.000 Yep.

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 And you just blend it in nothingness.

01:06:21.000 And when the mind is detached from the physical sensations of the body, your brain becomes supercharged.

01:06:28.000 And the way I always describe it is like...

01:06:30.000 If we were having this conversation and there was someone next to us with a jackhammer, it'd be super distracting.

01:06:34.000 It'd be like, let's get over there so we can talk.

01:06:36.000 We can't hear.

01:06:37.000 But everything is input. 0.98

01:06:40.000 The sensory input of your butt touching this chair, right? 0.71

01:06:43.000 Your hands touching this desk, the earphones on, the microphone in front of your face, the physical space, you and I exchanging social cues and communicating with sound. 0.97

01:06:54.000 All that stuff is input.

01:06:56.000 Well, in the sensory deprivation tank, there's none.

01:06:59.000 Zero.

01:07:00.000 And then with the water being the same temperature as your skin, it feels like you're flying.

01:07:05.000 That was my experience.

01:07:06.000 It's amazing.

01:07:07.000 On acid, it must be insane.

01:07:09.000 I've never done it on acid.

01:07:10.000 I think it just exacerbated the whole aspect of what you're talking about where there's no body.

01:07:17.000 Your brain is free to go wherever it likes.

01:07:21.000 I loved it.

01:07:22.000 To me, it was pretty monumental.

01:07:23.000 I don't think I would repeat it under those circumstances, but I'm happy I did.

01:07:28.000 Well, if you did, you'd want more time.

01:07:29.000 One hour is like, bing, time's up, Anthony.

01:07:32.000 Time was up.

01:07:33.000 Time was up.

01:07:33.000 What do you mean time's up?

01:07:34.000 I'm on Jupiter.

01:07:36.000 But now for me, I get...

01:07:39.000 An even better feeling in the ocean.

01:07:41.000 The ocean is so full of life and peace and nature and excitement.

01:07:47.000 That's my tank these days.

01:07:50.000 Yeah, you were telling me about your love of surfing the other day.

01:07:53.000 You love it, huh?

01:07:55.000 I do because it gives me that feeling, that freedom.

01:07:59.000 There's an energy.

01:08:01.000 I'm late to the game, late to the party, late as you can be.

01:08:05.000 Started in my 40s, tried a handful of times before that, made no sense.

01:08:10.000 And then when I finally found it, through Takuji Masuda, my teacher, my Japanese teacher, that's what I want to do till the day I die.

01:08:20.000 Just go sit out there.

01:08:23.000 Waiting for a wave.

01:08:25.000 If you think about the storms 3,000 miles away, raging in the ocean, sending that wave of energy through the water, when it finally releases, when it hits the shallows, It's a rush.

01:08:39.000 It's a drug.

01:08:40.000 It's a high.

01:08:41.000 It's a natural high where you're next to whales and dolphins and pelicans and eels and anemones and just looking back at the coast with a different point of view.

01:08:53.000 No phone.

01:08:54.000 No technology whatsoever.

01:08:57.000 Just water and a board.

01:08:58.000 And that water's charged too.

01:09:00.000 It's like there's life in that water.

01:09:02.000 That water's not just water.

01:09:03.000 That water's like a giant living super organism.

01:09:07.000 Super organism.

01:09:08.000 Sustains life.

01:09:10.000 Ions and minerals.

01:09:11.000 Yeah.

01:09:11.000 There's energy to it.

01:09:13.000 Yeah.

01:09:13.000 A lot of my jujitsu friends love surfing because a lot of Brazilians surf.

01:09:18.000 I've seen them out there.

01:09:19.000 Yeah.

01:09:20.000 A lot of them come from Rio and a lot of surfers in Rio and they come over to America so they surf in America.

01:09:26.000 All over the world you see them in the water.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, they love it.

01:09:30.000 And it's also a great exercise for jiu-jitsu too because it's so balance-based.

01:09:34.000 There's so much going on.

01:09:35.000 It's also a flow exercise where jiu-jitsu is very much about like flowing.

01:09:40.000 Right.

01:09:42.000 Scrambling.

01:09:43.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

01:09:44.000 You got to scramble with the wave.

01:09:45.000 Yeah.

01:09:46.000 You don't know what it's going to give you.

01:09:47.000 Right.

01:09:47.000 One wave jacks up more than another.

01:09:49.000 Yeah.

01:09:50.000 Have you ever done one of those wave pools, those crazy places that they develop?

01:09:54.000 There's one out here in Waco.

01:09:56.000 Yeah.

01:09:56.000 It develops waves and apparently it's a great way to learn.

01:10:00.000 It's a good way to practice.

01:10:02.000 You get to ride a lot of different waves.

01:10:04.000 It's not an organism.

01:10:05.000 Right, right.

01:10:06.000 But it's a way to get used to surfing itself.

01:10:09.000 If you want to train and really work on your technique and get better rather than have this experience with nature, it's definitely the place to go.

01:10:20.000 And also if you live in Texas.

01:10:23.000 Right.

01:10:24.000 So people that are competitive and in the leagues and want to go to the Olympics, it's the greatest invention ever because you can just work on turns, specific turns.

01:10:33.000 I don't care about any of that.

01:10:34.000 I just want to go paddle out into the unknown.

01:10:37.000 I get it.

01:10:38.000 Yeah, but I see the value.

01:10:41.000 And they're popping up everywhere.

01:10:43.000 Yeah, they're everywhere, right?

01:10:45.000 There was one that just got shot down in Palm Springs.

01:10:48.000 Shot down?

01:10:49.000 Yeah, unfortunately. 1.00

01:10:51.000 There's, you know, concern that it's going to bring a bunch of fucking crazy hippies and their VW buses playing their loud rock and roll. 0.99

01:10:59.000 I don't know why they shot it down. 0.98

01:11:01.000 I mean, I think they might have shot it down also because of concern that it uses a lot of water.

01:11:05.000 Water.

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 But can't they just get that water from the ocean?

01:11:09.000 You would think.

01:11:10.000 It's not that far from the Sea of Cortez.

01:11:15.000 They gotta just get the salt out of the water.

01:11:17.000 They do.

01:11:17.000 That's the problem.

01:11:18.000 They do.

01:11:18.000 The problem is not the lack of water.

01:11:20.000 It's salt.

01:11:21.000 Well, there are lots of people working on that.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, they should.

01:11:26.000 Yeah.

01:11:27.000 That would fix California like that.

01:11:29.000 It's expensive right now. 1.00

01:11:30.000 Fuck yeah, it's expensive. 1.00

01:11:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:32.000 Yeah, but why?

01:11:33.000 Why haven't you guys...

01:11:35.000 Nuclear power desalination plants.

01:11:38.000 You're welcome.

01:11:39.000 Fix it.

01:11:40.000 Fix it. 1.00

01:11:41.000 California should look like a fucking jungle. 0.99

01:11:43.000 It should be beautiful and green. 1.00

01:11:45.000 Lush. 1.00

01:11:46.000 All that fucking sun. 1.00

01:11:48.000 All that sun. 0.99

01:11:49.000 If you're constantly spraying water over everything, it would be amazing.

01:11:52.000 We have some lush.

01:11:54.000 We have some lush.

01:11:55.000 I just...

01:11:56.000 Hoopa Valley.

01:11:56.000 Lush.

01:11:57.000 Okay.

01:11:57.000 Northern California.

01:11:58.000 Yeah.

01:11:59.000 I went to Northern California a few years back with my family.

01:12:03.000 Went to the rainforest to see...

01:12:06.000 The redwoods.

01:12:06.000 All the redwoods.

01:12:08.000 That's crazy.

01:12:09.000 That's lush. 0.60

01:12:10.000 Well, that's the thing about California, right?

01:12:12.000 There's so many different ecosystems that are all combined.

01:12:15.000 You have your desert. 0.96

01:12:16.000 You know, you have, like, rainy as fuck in northern California. 0.99

01:12:20.000 There's so much. 0.99

01:12:21.000 You know, mountains are right there.

01:12:22.000 The ocean's right there.

01:12:23.000 Mountains, see the whole deal.

01:12:24.000 It's amazing.

01:12:25.000 It is.

01:12:26.000 Yeah, it's an amazing state.

01:12:27.000 I can't pull myself away.

01:12:28.000 I get it.

01:12:29.000 I get it.

01:12:30.000 If I was going to live somewhere, I'd live where you live, though.

01:12:34.000 Malibu's the spot.

01:12:34.000 I have a spare lot.

01:12:36.000 I do.

01:12:37.000 I was saving it for my son, but...

01:12:40.000 Is it right next door to you?

01:12:41.000 It is.

01:12:41.000 I'll be your neighbor.

01:12:42.000 Yeah.

01:12:43.000 I would live in Malibu.

01:12:44.000 If I was gonna live anywhere in California, I think Malibu.

01:12:47.000 Malibu's got a great vibe.

01:12:49.000 There's also a thing about being next to the ocean that's very humbling.

01:12:52.000 I think it's very good for people to be just...

01:12:57.000 Confronted by inescapable beauty and power of nature.

01:13:01.000 And that's what oceans do.

01:13:03.000 I need that.

01:13:04.000 I need to be humbled daily.

01:13:05.000 It's good for everybody.

01:13:06.000 The mountains do the same thing.

01:13:08.000 They do.

01:13:08.000 Yeah.

01:13:09.000 100%.

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:10.000 You know what the root of that word is?

01:13:13.000 Which word?

01:13:14.000 Humble?

01:13:14.000 Humble.

01:13:15.000 No.

01:13:15.000 To be close to the ground.

01:13:17.000 To be low to the ground.

01:13:18.000 Oh, really?

01:13:19.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 That makes sense.

01:13:21.000 Yeah.

01:13:21.000 Feels right.

01:13:22.000 Yeah.

01:13:23.000 Yeah, humble, like, people look at that as like a negative.

01:13:26.000 Like, that's so good.

01:13:27.000 It's so positive.

01:13:29.000 You should be humble, man.

01:13:30.000 You're in space.

01:13:32.000 I go to the Big Island.

01:13:36.000 I try to go, like, you know, once every few years.

01:13:38.000 But whenever I do go, we go to the Keck Observatory.

01:13:41.000 I don't know if you've ever been up there.

01:13:43.000 Mauna Kea or whatever it is?

01:13:44.000 I think that's it.

01:13:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:45.000 The Big Mountain.

01:13:46.000 Mauna Loa, maybe?

01:13:47.000 Mauna Kea?

01:13:48.000 Whatever the mountain is that's up there, there's an observatory that you get to.

01:13:52.000 It's like many thousand feet above sea level. 0.82

01:13:54.000 And if you can time it right, if you could visit during no moon, when the moon's not out, it's fucking spectacular. 0.60

01:14:02.000 You're in space.

01:14:04.000 You literally are on a spaceship with a glass dome over you.

01:14:07.000 That's what it looks like.

01:14:09.000 You have an unhindered...

01:14:12.000 View of the cosmos that I've never experienced before.

01:14:16.000 I mean, I've been in the country when it's a beautiful, dark night, and you get to see all the stars, and it looks amazing.

01:14:22.000 But up there, you're through the clouds.

01:14:25.000 I think you're like 11,000 feet above ceiling.

01:14:28.000 I think it's 13. Super high up there.

01:14:30.000 That's what it looks like.

01:14:31.000 But that's literally what it looks like, man.

01:14:33.000 That's not an exaggeration.

01:14:35.000 That's not a fake image.

01:14:37.000 It's so incredible that I remember going there once changed the way I feel about our relationship to space.

01:14:44.000 Like, forever.

01:14:46.000 And I also got so upset thinking, like, how fucked is it that that's not available to us just because we're so weird with light? 0.69

01:14:55.000 We want everything lit up at night. 0.93

01:14:57.000 You know, we want the cities lit up and they want everything to be lit up.

01:15:01.000 And when you get that light pollution, you miss the majesty of the cosmos, which is what I think humbled our ancestors.

01:15:09.000 I think all of our ancestors were completely connected to the cosmos.

01:15:13.000 If you look at like the Mayans, The Mayans, they designed all of their structures in their cities to represent the cosmos, to represent constellations, and so did the Egyptians.

01:15:27.000 They were connected to the cosmos.

01:15:28.000 Yes, it was inescapable.

01:15:29.000 They also didn't have television, radio, film, computers.

01:15:36.000 So you had to deal with the elements.

01:15:38.000 Yeah.

01:15:38.000 Which is what made a lot of those people so smart.

01:15:42.000 Because from sunup to sundown, you're working on your connection.

01:15:46.000 Yeah.

01:15:47.000 Da Vinci.

01:15:47.000 Yeah.

01:15:48.000 No distractions.

01:15:49.000 None.

01:15:49.000 Just art.

01:15:50.000 Just art and invention and philosophy and all day every day.

01:15:56.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 There's something about that view of the cosmos that I really wish more people would get.

01:16:02.000 I'm going to go check it out.

01:16:03.000 I've never been up there.

01:16:04.000 I've ridden my motorcycle all around that island many times, but I've never ridden up to the top of that mountain.

01:16:10.000 It's wild.

01:16:11.000 You've got to go up there and find out when the next dark night is.

01:16:16.000 What do they call it?

01:16:17.000 What is it called?

01:16:18.000 No moon at all?

01:16:20.000 New Moon?

01:16:21.000 New Moon. 0.85

01:16:22.000 It's, uh, you could, you know, obviously you could look at it on a calendar, but if you get up there during that time, it's pretty fucking amazing.

01:16:31.000 I mean, it really, it blew me away.

01:16:33.000 My oldest daughter was, I think she was like 9 or 10 at the time.

01:16:38.000 I think she was too young to appreciate it.

01:16:41.000 But when we were up there the last time, we were just like standing there staring at it.

01:16:46.000 I remember thinking, I'm never going to forget this.

01:16:49.000 I'm never going to forget what this feels like.

01:16:51.000 It just, it's just, I was like, oh, we're in space!

01:16:57.000 I don't think she'll forget it either.

01:16:59.000 I hope not.

01:17:00.000 I don't think she will.

01:17:01.000 I think at that age you're still impressionable.

01:17:05.000 I think so.

01:17:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:17:07.000 Shit, I'm impressionable now and I'm 55. But you might have gone through a patch where you were less impressionable. 0.99

01:17:13.000 Hopefully.

01:17:14.000 Yeah.

01:17:14.000 My teenage son is like, what?

01:17:18.000 Cosmos. 1.00

01:17:19.000 Fuck out of here, bitch. 1.00

01:17:20.000 I'm on TikTok. 1.00

01:17:20.000 I'm going to Subway. 1.00

01:17:21.000 What are you talking about?

01:17:24.000 Well, teenage boys in particular, they're feeling their oats and their testosterone flowing through their system.

01:17:31.000 Rebels.

01:17:32.000 Yeah.

01:17:33.000 But you need that.

01:17:33.000 I love it.

01:17:34.000 Yeah.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, it's a push and a pull.

01:17:39.000 Does he have a physical outlet to express his physical energy?

01:17:45.000 Not enough.

01:17:47.000 I wish he had more.

01:17:48.000 He is a baller.

01:17:49.000 He plays the basketball.

01:17:51.000 That's good.

01:17:52.000 Basketball's a great way.

01:17:53.000 It is.

01:17:54.000 It is.

01:17:54.000 I beg him to go surfing, but it's my thing in his mind.

01:17:59.000 That's your thing, Dad. 1.00

01:18:01.000 Oh, he doesn't want to fuck with your thing. 1.00

01:18:03.000 He doesn't want to fuck with my thing. 1.00

01:18:04.000 He's got to be a rebel. 0.99

01:18:05.000 But when he does paddle out...

01:18:09.000 His eyes light up.

01:18:10.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 And he's a natural.

01:18:12.000 Oh.

01:18:13.000 He's a big, strong boy.

01:18:15.000 So I'll just let him find it.

01:18:17.000 Get him in jiu-jitsu.

01:18:19.000 He was in jiu-jitsu as a child.

01:18:21.000 Yeah?

01:18:21.000 As a little boy.

01:18:22.000 Yeah.

01:18:23.000 I had good teachers coming over and he was willing.

01:18:27.000 Not anymore.

01:18:28.000 One thing about California.

01:18:29.000 There's a lot of jiu-jitsu out there.

01:18:31.000 Good teachers.

01:18:32.000 Oh, my God.

01:18:33.000 I could steer you in the right place.

01:18:35.000 Let me know.

01:18:35.000 Could you?

01:18:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:36.000 You know something about that?

01:18:37.000 I know a lot of my good friends out there teach.

01:18:41.000 I tried it three times in my life.

01:18:43.000 Yeah?

01:18:44.000 It hurt.

01:18:47.000 It freaking hurt.

01:18:49.000 It's designed to hurt. 0.56

01:18:50.000 It hurt.

01:18:52.000 I liked it.

01:18:55.000 But I was so competitive that I got home and I realized there was no skin on my feet from the mats. 0.92

01:19:01.000 I had no technique.

01:19:03.000 So I'm just trying to muscle it, dig in.

01:19:05.000 I did alright.

01:19:07.000 I fought some guys.

01:19:08.000 It was fun.

01:19:10.000 Hurt.

01:19:10.000 The key to learning jiu-jitsu is to learn how to play.

01:19:14.000 Like the Gracies, they always have this phrase like Hannah Gracie and Huron Gracie. 1.00

01:19:20.000 They say keep it playful.

01:19:21.000 Right.

01:19:21.000 And it's great advice.

01:19:23.000 If you could really follow that advice, that's how you learn.

01:19:26.000 Because you learn how to not muscle things.

01:19:29.000 You learn how to only use technique and to have fun.

01:19:32.000 And just to...

01:19:33.000 Don't be crazy competitive.

01:19:35.000 Know that you're going to get tapped out.

01:19:37.000 Know that you're going to tap other people.

01:19:38.000 It's going to be fine.

01:19:39.000 But if you just always try to win every time, you're not going to learn.

01:19:43.000 You're going to be too tense.

01:19:45.000 You're not going to open yourself up, so you're not going to take chances, so you're not going to learn as much.

01:19:50.000 It'll hinder you.

01:19:51.000 You think you're doing good because you're not getting tapped, but really you're doing bad because you're not learning enough.

01:19:57.000 That was my experience.

01:19:59.000 It's normal.

01:20:00.000 Most men do.

01:20:01.000 I mean, it's interesting when you see guys do it for the first few times.

01:20:05.000 You see the tension in them.

01:20:07.000 They can't breathe. 0.92

01:20:08.000 They're so fucking tense and they get tired so quick. 0.98

01:20:11.000 You gotta play. 0.97

01:20:12.000 Yeah, you gotta keep it playful.

01:20:13.000 Relax.

01:20:14.000 Yeah.

01:20:15.000 I love watching it.

01:20:16.000 I love the art.

01:20:18.000 I love the chess match of all that.

01:20:22.000 Fascinating.

01:20:23.000 Can't get enough of it.

01:20:24.000 What do you do physically other than surf?

01:20:27.000 You're in really good shape. 0.99

01:20:30.000 I mean, not to be a jerk, but very little. 0.99

01:20:33.000 Very, very little. 0.99

01:20:34.000 Do you just have great genes?

01:20:35.000 No, I am a performer for a living, so that's two hours of good exercise.

01:20:41.000 That's a lot of aerobics. 0.99

01:20:43.000 I like the bicycle very much.

01:20:45.000 I get on a bike almost every day just to go ride next to the ocean and be humbled.

01:20:51.000 And surf is super limited because we don't always have waves.

01:20:55.000 And if it's like a show day or a rehearsal day, I can't go surf.

01:21:01.000 Being a dad.

01:21:03.000 You know, wrestling my son a bit.

01:21:04.000 That kind of thing.

01:21:05.000 But I don't have a discipline that I go to.

01:21:10.000 Just engaging life physically.

01:21:14.000 Always.

01:21:14.000 Since I was a kid.

01:21:16.000 But I don't really have a routine.

01:21:18.000 I don't have a beach workout or a weight thing or any of that.

01:21:22.000 Nothing.

01:21:22.000 I like some push-ups here and there.

01:21:24.000 A lot.

01:21:25.000 I like the isometrics.

01:21:28.000 When I can get into that, but by the way, if you surf, if you do go to Hawaii for a month and surf every day, you're the strongest you've ever been in your life.

01:21:38.000 Kayaking?

01:21:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:41.000 Haven't done it for a while, but...

01:21:43.000 Kayaking's hard.

01:21:44.000 It's great on the shoulders.

01:21:45.000 It's so good.

01:21:46.000 You get strong. 1.00

01:21:47.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:49.000 And, you know, surfing is also like just your core, your balance, right?

01:21:54.000 And then, you know, like you were saying, getting in tone.

01:21:57.000 You're connected to Mother Earth in just an undeniable way, right?

01:22:05.000 You're a part of the ocean.

01:22:07.000 You're floating around.

01:22:08.000 Instantly.

01:22:08.000 From the minute the board hits the water, you're in another world.

01:22:12.000 Did you ever have any shark encounters?

01:22:13.000 I wish.

01:22:14.000 Really?

01:22:15.000 Well, I mean, not a...

01:22:17.000 Not a bad one.

01:22:18.000 Not a bad one.

01:22:19.000 I've never seen a shark in all my days of surfing.

01:22:23.000 Have you ever seen the drone footage when they fly drones over Malibu?

01:22:26.000 You see how many sharks are out there?

01:22:27.000 Thank goodness. 0.96

01:22:28.000 If they're not there, we're screwed. 0.95

01:22:30.000 It's true. 0.92

01:22:31.000 The more I see, the better.

01:22:36.000 Of course you have a little shark phobia.

01:22:38.000 It's like an internal thing.

01:22:41.000 We're born with it.

01:22:42.000 These are strong animals.

01:22:44.000 But we're not on the menu.

01:22:46.000 We've never been on the menu.

01:22:48.000 They have a very specific understanding of what they want to do with their lives, and it's not us.

01:22:55.000 When it is us, I believe it's a mistake.

01:22:56.000 It's like a puppy going, who's this guy?

01:23:00.000 I think they think we're seals, right?

01:23:02.000 They don't.

01:23:03.000 No, when they make a mistake.

01:23:04.000 When they make a mistake.

01:23:05.000 Yeah.

01:23:06.000 Yeah, we could.

01:23:07.000 But that's a big mistake.

01:23:09.000 But if you look at the numbers of sharks that kill people versus sharks that get killed by people...

01:23:15.000 The number of sharks that get killed by people is something crazy.

01:23:19.000 I think it's like 70 million a year.

01:23:22.000 Something really nuts.

01:23:24.000 And they kill about five of us, if we're lucky.

01:23:26.000 Yeah, it's like five or six on a bad year.

01:23:28.000 What is it?

01:23:29.000 Let's find it out.

01:23:31.000 Google it.

01:23:32.000 Oh, you got it already?

01:23:33.000 Oh, 100 million sharks. 1.00

01:23:36.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:23:37.000 We're killing ourselves when we kill them. 1.00

01:23:39.000 100 million. 1.00

01:23:40.000 Wow.

01:23:41.000 They are the great balance keepers of the sea.

01:23:44.000 Sharks fin soup is what it is.

01:23:46.000 Yeah.

01:23:47.000 Not happening.

01:23:47.000 Wow.

01:23:48.000 The fishing industry.

01:23:49.000 That's crazy.

01:23:51.000 Out of control.

01:23:52.000 Now, how many people get killed by sharks every year?

01:23:56.000 I don't think it's more than like 60 or 70. A year?

01:24:01.000 Killed?

01:24:01.000 Way less.

01:24:02.000 In the world.

01:24:02.000 Way less.

01:24:03.000 Really?

01:24:03.000 Way less.

01:24:04.000 Is it?

01:24:05.000 Give us some numbers, please.

01:24:06.000 Let's take a guess.

01:24:07.000 What do you think it is?

01:24:09.000 Less than 10. Less than 10?

01:24:10.000 Killed.

01:24:11.000 Wow.

01:24:11.000 Bit?

01:24:13.000 70. Killed?

01:24:14.000 Oh, okay, okay.

01:24:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:16.000 No, there's always little...

01:24:17.000 They're puppies.

01:24:18.000 They want to see what you are.

01:24:19.000 I just saw this number recently.

01:24:20.000 That's why I know.

01:24:21.000 It's like five...

01:24:23.000 Five! 0.95

01:24:23.000 Something like that. 0.95

01:24:24.000 Six to eight, it says.

01:24:25.000 Whoa, six to eight a year.

01:24:27.000 That's crazy.

01:24:27.000 It could be the animal that kills the least amount of people.

01:24:31.000 For every hundred million sharks killed per year, about six to eight humans are killed by sharks.

01:24:36.000 Wow.

01:24:36.000 This is why I support Paul Watson.

01:24:39.000 How many people get bit every year?

01:24:41.000 There you go, 73 shark bites.

01:24:43.000 Dude, you nailed it.

01:24:44.000 Unprovoked.

01:24:45.000 Pretty close, pretty close, pretty close.

01:24:47.000 Nailed it.

01:24:47.000 39 provoked bites.

01:24:49.000 Those people are assholes. 1.00

01:24:50.000 39 provoked bites? 1.00

01:24:52.000 Who are you fucking provoking a shark, man? 0.99

01:24:54.000 You ever see the Instagram page called Tourons of Yellowstone? 0.99

01:25:01.000 No. 1.00

01:25:01.000 Instead of morons, tourists, they're morons, Tourons of Yellowstone. 1.00

01:25:04.000 They deserve what they get. 1.00

01:25:05.000 Oh my god, they deserve it.

01:25:07.000 It's people like running up to Buffalo going...

01:25:10.000 Why?

01:25:11.000 And then they get launched through the air.

01:25:13.000 That's 3,000 pounds of launch muscle. 1.00

01:25:17.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:25:18.000 But some people just have zero respect for what nature is. 1.00

01:25:23.000 They just, for some reason, they think they live in a movie or they're immune to the natural laws.

01:25:29.000 Well, if you're on vacation, you should have immunity.

01:25:33.000 We were on vacation a few years back.

01:25:35.000 We went to Montana, and we went to Yellowstone, and there were bison that were just roaming around.

01:25:39.000 They were only like 40 or 50 yards away, and when I saw them, all these people got their cameras out, and they were closing in, and here it goes.

01:25:47.000 Okay, this is elk.

01:25:48.000 Is this the launch?

01:25:51.000 I'm going to chase this guy down in just a second. 0.99

01:25:52.000 Is this going to get fucked up? 0.99

01:25:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:53.000 Well, you don't ever want to fuck with an elk. 1.00

01:25:55.000 Why would you? 1.00

01:25:56.000 Oh, dude.

01:25:57.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 Oh, you got off easy. 1.00

01:25:59.000 Get out of here, bitch. 1.00

01:25:59.000 That was a love tap. 1.00

01:26:01.000 That's a big-ass elk, too. 0.96

01:26:05.000 What was I going to say?

01:26:06.000 The...

01:26:07.000 The bison that lived there, they're in these packs, and these people were taking photos of them.

01:26:15.000 And I was with my kids, and my kids, they were young at the time, and they were like, we want to see the buffalo!

01:26:20.000 We want to see the buffalo!

01:26:21.000 And we got close, and I'm like, okay, let me get in front of you here.

01:26:24.000 Let me get in front of you. 1.00

01:26:25.000 And I'm just thinking, okay... 1.00

01:26:27.000 I'm just going to grab the two of them like two fucking footballs and run behind a car if some shit goes down. 1.00

01:26:33.000 Because at any moment now, you're only 50 yards away, the Buffalo could just get pissed off and go, why the fuck are you taking my picture? 1.00

01:26:40.000 And just take a wild run at them, especially if they're breeding, especially if they're in the rut. 0.99

01:26:46.000 The one thing those people have going for them is that the bison doesn't really want to waste its time crushing you.

01:26:53.000 Yes.

01:26:54.000 It'll give you a warning.

01:26:55.000 It might give you a smash.

01:26:57.000 That's true.

01:26:58.000 But they want to go back to doing what they were doing.

01:27:01.000 They're also super used to being around people because people are around there all the time.

01:27:07.000 I'm going to go toward the grizzly bear now.

01:27:11.000 Do you want to go tourism?

01:27:13.000 In the conversation.

01:27:14.000 Oh.

01:27:14.000 Just for a moment.

01:27:15.000 Okay.

01:27:17.000 I've heard a couple of your comments about the Grizzly.

01:27:21.000 And I just want to share my little experiences.

01:27:24.000 I went kayaking in Alaska.

01:27:26.000 It was fantastic.

01:27:28.000 Fjordal.

01:27:29.000 This is some years ago.

01:27:31.000 Flea was part of the party.

01:27:33.000 So this is like a glacier river?

01:27:35.000 It's a river that goes between glaciers.

01:27:37.000 Oh, wow.

01:27:38.000 Yeah.

01:27:39.000 Stunning.

01:27:41.000 And three grizzly bear encounters, all of which were lovely, And mellow and harmless.

01:27:52.000 Well, you know why, though?

01:27:54.000 You're near food source.

01:27:56.000 You're near salmon.

01:27:57.000 Salmon.

01:27:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:57.000 And blueberries.

01:27:58.000 By the way, they eat blueberries all day.

01:28:00.000 All day.

01:28:01.000 Their poop is blue.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, and they're wild.

01:28:02.000 With bones coming out of it.

01:28:04.000 Salmon bones.

01:28:06.000 One time, I got ahead of the pack.

01:28:08.000 I stopped at a little beach.

01:28:10.000 It had a berm above my head, maybe 10 feet up.

01:28:13.000 When the pack caught up with me, the kayakers in the water...

01:28:17.000 They're waving and hollering.

01:28:18.000 I'm like, it's beautiful.

01:28:20.000 Isn't this beautiful?

01:28:21.000 We're out here in the wild.

01:28:22.000 There's a grizzly 10 feet above my head looking down at me as I'm just parked on the beach.

01:28:29.000 No problem.

01:28:30.000 No beef.

01:28:31.000 Yeah.

01:28:32.000 Second time was a mother feeding her cubs mollusks and oysters or whatever she could get. 0.97

01:28:40.000 And a hiker said, there's a mama grizzly with her cubs eating around the corner.

01:28:45.000 I was like, I gotta go see.

01:28:47.000 I cannot help myself.

01:28:48.000 Really?

01:28:49.000 I must go look at this beautiful animal.

01:28:52.000 That's dangerous.

01:28:53.000 I walk slowly, gently...

01:28:57.000 Around the corner, she saw me.

01:28:59.000 She sent her cubs up a tree. 0.99

01:29:01.000 She's like, guys, go up.

01:29:03.000 And she continued to eat as she kept one eye on me.

01:29:07.000 No grief.

01:29:09.000 No snarling.

01:29:12.000 Just like, I see you.

01:29:15.000 I'm doing my thing.

01:29:17.000 You stay there, I'll stay here.

01:29:20.000 Then I brought my son up and we went looking for grizzlies and we found them and one crossed the river straight towards us and just walked right past us.

01:29:33.000 There's a distinction.

01:29:34.000 What you're talking about is a coastal brown bear.

01:29:38.000 They're the ones that are eating a lot of salmon.

01:29:41.000 There's a difference between them and grizzlies.

01:29:43.000 The grizzlies are the inland bears.

01:29:46.000 Okay.

01:29:46.000 The grizzly is a bear that you would encounter, say, in Montana, and they're much more likely to eat you.

01:29:50.000 Is that right?

01:29:50.000 Yeah.

01:29:51.000 Eat you?

01:29:52.000 Yeah.

01:29:53.000 They are eating animals.

01:29:55.000 They're not eating fish because there's not much fish to eat there.

01:29:59.000 I mean, they might catch a trout every now and then, but for the most part, they're eating moose and deer and mostly calves, too.

01:30:06.000 That's what they prefer to eat.

01:30:08.000 That's a good meal.

01:30:09.000 It's a good meal.

01:30:10.000 I don't think I'm a good meal.

01:30:11.000 You definitely would be, and they definitely would eat you.

01:30:15.000 A woman got killed in Montana recently.

01:30:19.000 She got killed in her tent.

01:30:23.000 I forget what she was doing there, but she was in her tent and this bear came into her tent and killed her.

01:30:29.000 It does happen.

01:30:30.000 It's more likely to happen with grizzlies than it is with brown bears.

01:30:34.000 Because brown bears are actually far larger, too, because they have an almost endless supply of fish, especially in, like, Alaska.

01:30:42.000 The biggest brown bears in the world used to be in California.

01:30:46.000 California, even though our state flag has a grizzly bear on it, we don't have any grizzly bears in California because they killed them all.

01:30:54.000 Misnomer?

01:30:55.000 No.

01:30:55.000 No, I'm saying the flag is a misnomer.

01:30:57.000 No, no, no.

01:30:58.000 They used to have them.

01:30:59.000 We had grizzlies?

01:31:00.000 Oh, yeah.

01:31:01.000 There's a place called Levesque, California.

01:31:04.000 I know we had the brown bear, but now with the distinction.

01:31:07.000 Yeah.

01:31:07.000 Well, it's the same bear.

01:31:09.000 Same bear.

01:31:09.000 The difference between them is one of them is on the coast and they're far larger.

01:31:13.000 California had the biggest because California doesn't have a hibernation.

01:31:16.000 It's not winter.

01:31:17.000 There's no winter there.

01:31:18.000 Like California, like Levesque, California.

01:31:21.000 Where is that?

01:31:22.000 It's on the way to Bakersfield, up the 5. And it's named after the last person in California to get killed by a grizzly bear.

01:31:30.000 I think his name was Stephen Levesque.

01:31:33.000 You had it right the first time.

01:31:34.000 It's with a B. Levesque.

01:31:35.000 Levesque.

01:31:36.000 It's Peter Levesque.

01:31:37.000 Levesque, yeah.

01:31:37.000 What did I say?

01:31:38.000 Levesque?

01:31:38.000 Yeah.

01:31:39.000 Levesque.

01:31:39.000 That's the guy.

01:31:40.000 So he got killed by a bear in 1837, which is now Fort Tejon.

01:31:48.000 So that is up near Tohono Ranch.

01:31:51.000 And so this guy was the last person killed by a bear and then they basically eradicated brown bears from California because they were killing people.

01:32:01.000 Because they were hunting them down.

01:32:03.000 Because they are predators.

01:32:05.000 And if they didn't have fish and they found a person, they're like, I'll eat you.

01:32:12.000 I would have to see it to believe it.

01:32:14.000 See them eat a person?

01:32:15.000 Well, I've read all the accounts of them eating people and it always seems like they have a reason.

01:32:23.000 Well, yeah, they're hungry.

01:32:23.000 Other than hungry.

01:32:25.000 Well, in California, I think the issue was people were making their way to California and they were a new food source.

01:32:32.000 They weren't there originally, right?

01:32:35.000 Maybe they were just a nuisance.

01:32:36.000 I'm sure they were a nuisance. 1.00

01:32:38.000 If you're a bear and you're trying to kill a deer, and then this asshole with a musket comes along and kills your deer, and then he tries to chase you off that deer, you're like, fuck, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:32:47.000 This is my deer you shot. 1.00

01:32:49.000 Get out of here.

01:32:49.000 How about the black bear?

01:32:51.000 Black bear are more likely to try to kill people than grizzly bears are.

01:32:56.000 When a person gets attacked by a grizzly bear, generally it's a surprise.

01:32:59.000 When a person gets killed by a black bear, it's generally a bear that's trying to kill people.

01:33:04.000 They get predatory bears.

01:33:06.000 They do occasionally hunt people.

01:33:08.000 But it's rare.

01:33:09.000 For the most part, when a black bear sees you, they just try to run away.

01:33:14.000 They also think of people as a threat.

01:33:16.000 Yeah.

01:33:17.000 We got charged by a black bear in Alaska.

01:33:20.000 And it was as big as a brown bear.

01:33:23.000 They're big, man.

01:33:24.000 Oh no, this was a house running fast at us.

01:33:27.000 And then it made a right turn.

01:33:29.000 It was a bluff.

01:33:31.000 It was a bluff charge.

01:33:31.000 It was a bluff, yeah.

01:33:32.000 Thank God.

01:33:33.000 It didn't know what to do. 1.00

01:33:34.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:33:36.000 Bears are wild animals. 1.00

01:33:38.000 I mean, they're beautiful, too, though.

01:33:39.000 They're so cool.

01:33:40.000 I'm so glad they're real.

01:33:41.000 We love them.

01:33:42.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 In Pasadena, Monrovia.

01:33:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:45.000 They just come down from the hills and, like...

01:33:47.000 Jump in people's pools.

01:33:48.000 Jump in pools, roam the streets, get a little snack out of the garbage.

01:33:52.000 There's a great video from Pasadena.

01:33:53.000 There's a guy who's on his phone, and he goes and turns down this alley while he's on his phone.

01:33:59.000 And as he's, like, looking at his phone, he looks up, and there's a bear. 1.00

01:34:02.000 He's like, fuck! 0.99

01:34:03.000 And he runs away. 1.00

01:34:05.000 But it's like a... 1.00

01:34:06.000 Like a security camera footage of this fucking guy. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Every day. 1.00

01:34:10.000 They're around.

01:34:11.000 Yeah.

01:34:12.000 Well, they come down from those mountains out there.

01:34:14.000 I'm happy that we have them.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 It makes me feel like we're still alive.

01:34:18.000 Well, they're cool animals, man.

01:34:20.000 They're cool to see, you know?

01:34:22.000 They're all cool to see.

01:34:24.000 So are raccoons, you know?

01:34:26.000 They're cool to see, too.

01:34:27.000 I always love when I see raccoons.

01:34:28.000 They have personality.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:30.000 I posted a video the other day on my Instagram of a raccoon killing an iguana in Florida.

01:34:36.000 And I didn't know that raccoons are like little savages. 0.96

01:34:39.000 He's like killing like a little bear.

01:34:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:42.000 Like biting down the head of this giant ass iguana that's like the size of him. 1.00

01:34:46.000 Huh. 1.00

01:34:47.000 Killing it. 0.96

01:34:47.000 Haven't seen that. 0.96

01:34:48.000 Look at that.

01:34:51.000 Savage.

01:34:51.000 Isn't that wild?

01:34:53.000 That's like you and the alligator the other day.

01:34:56.000 Well, iguanas are another weird invasive species in Florida.

01:35:00.000 And I guess these raccoons are adapting.

01:35:02.000 Just decided to eat them.

01:35:04.000 That's a big challenge right there.

01:35:06.000 Isn't that wild?

01:35:06.000 I think it's as big as him.

01:35:09.000 There's a lot of iguanas in Florida, apparently.

01:35:12.000 I would imagine that's a tasty meal for him.

01:35:14.000 They apparently taste good.

01:35:16.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 Because there's a bunch of videos on YouTube of people hunting iguanas in Florida and then cooking them.

01:35:22.000 You know, they cook them in like a chicken dish.

01:35:24.000 I would try that.

01:35:25.000 I would.

01:35:26.000 Why not?

01:35:27.000 They're invasive.

01:35:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:28.000 They have to kill them. 1.00

01:35:29.000 It's a good move. 1.00

01:35:32.000 So do you cook yourself?

01:35:36.000 No.

01:35:37.000 Not at all?

01:35:37.000 I will cook pancakes for my son.

01:35:40.000 I will cook eggs for myself.

01:35:42.000 And that's kind of my limit.

01:35:46.000 I see the attraction to people who love to be in the kitchen, cutting and dicing and chopping and frying.

01:35:52.000 My son can cook.

01:35:55.000 That's not for me.

01:35:56.000 I just never got into it.

01:35:58.000 You?

01:35:58.000 Yeah, I cook all the time.

01:36:00.000 I do see the beauty.

01:36:03.000 I would be a good sous chef.

01:36:07.000 But I just haven't mastered the real chef thing.

01:36:10.000 There's something cool about it.

01:36:11.000 There's something exciting about cooking something and then eating a meal that you prepared yourself.

01:36:16.000 It's very exciting.

01:36:17.000 Yeah.

01:36:17.000 I like to be in the kitchen when that's happening, but I prefer someone with a larger skill set to be at the helm.

01:36:24.000 I get it.

01:36:25.000 Yeah.

01:36:25.000 Yeah, someone who knows what they're doing.

01:36:26.000 You ever do any fishing?

01:36:29.000 As a kid in Michigan, yes.

01:36:32.000 It was kind of a go-to.

01:36:33.000 You kind of have to.

01:36:34.000 If you're a kid in Michigan...

01:36:35.000 Yeah, you got to fish.

01:36:36.000 It's the rite of passage.

01:36:39.000 But now I have the same feeling about...

01:36:41.000 About fish?

01:36:42.000 I just hate taking them.

01:36:44.000 I love eating fish.

01:36:45.000 I get it.

01:36:46.000 It's such a wild animal.

01:36:47.000 They're so good, so dissatisfying.

01:36:49.000 But when I see them getting pulled out of the ocean, I'm like, ugh.

01:36:53.000 I just ruined this dude's day completely.

01:36:56.000 That's true.

01:36:57.000 Especially the mahi-mahi, which are flaming blue, yellow, and then the minute they come out, they lose all their color.

01:37:07.000 They're just like, ah, game's over.

01:37:12.000 But I would.

01:37:13.000 I would.

01:37:14.000 That's like an animal that I have a slightly easier time I was in Mexico with my wife and we went fishing.

01:37:23.000 We caught mahi-mahi and we cooked them like literally two hours after we caught them.

01:37:30.000 We cooked them, caught them, got them to shore, two hours later we're eating them. 0.98

01:37:34.000 And it was like holy shit is this good. 0.97

01:37:37.000 Fish in particular, there's something about like cooking them right when you catch them that makes them exponentially better. 0.99

01:37:46.000 They're so good.

01:37:49.000 I almost feel like you're missing something if you buy commercially caught.

01:37:53.000 You're missing what the fish has to offer you.

01:37:58.000 You're not getting all of it.

01:38:01.000 It's still great.

01:38:03.000 Mahi Mahi's great no matter what, but man, it's not as good.

01:38:07.000 Right out of the water, it's the best.

01:38:11.000 I did that with my uncle in the Bahamas in the early 70s.

01:38:15.000 Really?

01:38:16.000 He was that guy.

01:38:17.000 He was a master surgeon.

01:38:19.000 So we spent all day in hospital with open bodies, trying to heal them.

01:38:24.000 And then we would take a tiny little sailboat to the Bahamas and fish and swim and live.

01:38:31.000 Oh, wow.

01:38:32.000 Yeah.

01:38:33.000 What a cool experience that must have been.

01:38:35.000 It was.

01:38:36.000 He was a badass.

01:38:37.000 He was a big, barrel-chested badass.

01:38:39.000 And not afraid of sharks.

01:38:41.000 I had seen Jaws.

01:38:43.000 Show me a shark this big, and I'm just running over the top of the water to escape.

01:38:50.000 And we were on the island of Bimini, which is just a little sliver of an island out in the Atlantic.

01:38:57.000 Crystal clear water.

01:38:59.000 And one day a hurricane was coming.

01:39:03.000 And his job was to take his tiny motorboat and pull a huge sailboat out of the harbor so that it could get to the ocean before the hurricane arrived, because that sailboat needed to get to Florida.

01:39:16.000 It's raining, the seas are high, and he's in a small motorboat, and he's going to pull with a rope the boat out of the harbor.

01:39:24.000 And I was like, I'm coming.

01:39:25.000 He's like, you are not coming, 11-year-old Tony.

01:39:30.000 I was like, no, I'm coming on this trip.

01:39:32.000 I'm going to help.

01:39:34.000 So my aunt sanctioned little Tony getting on the boat.

01:39:38.000 And we pulled this racing sailboat out of the harbor into the ocean, which is raging with massive waves.

01:39:47.000 And we got a wave coming up over our bow.

01:39:52.000 Which sent us vertical.

01:39:54.000 And the sailboat got away pushing its nose down, which pulled our stern underwater. 0.99

01:40:00.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:40:02.000 And it was my time to go moment. 1.00

01:40:05.000 I was like, God, whoever you are, whatever you are, I feel a little bit young to be checking out right now.

01:40:11.000 I mean, is this what you had in mind, honestly?

01:40:14.000 And as I'm having my...

01:40:16.000 Time to leave this earth moment.

01:40:19.000 My uncle grabbed a machete and went underwater and cut that rope.

01:40:24.000 And we popped out like a cork.

01:40:26.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:40:26.000 He floored the engine, which sent most of the water out of the boat. 0.71

01:40:31.000 And everything was fine. 1.00

01:40:34.000 Wow, he knew his shit. 1.00

01:40:35.000 He knew his shit. 1.00

01:40:36.000 But this is the guy that also taught me how to pull big fish out of the ocean and, in theory, not be afraid of sharks. 1.00

01:40:44.000 That must have been an amazing experience to be 11 and have that happen.

01:40:48.000 So he had been to war.

01:40:50.000 He had done the whole thing.

01:40:52.000 And as he grew older, he told that story and says, that was the scariest thing that's ever happened to me in all my days.

01:40:59.000 I wouldn't tell this to my nephew, but it was curtains.

01:41:03.000 We were done.

01:41:04.000 Whoa.

01:41:07.000 Chuck.

01:41:11.000 Wow.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:13.000 My parents lived on a sailboat for a couple years.

01:41:16.000 After they retired...

01:41:18.000 That's ballsy.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, they were like...

01:41:20.000 They didn't even have a lot of experience on boats either.

01:41:23.000 They just decided to learn how to sail, and they lived in the Bahamas.

01:41:27.000 They lived in the Florida Keys.

01:41:29.000 They just decided... 0.89

01:41:31.000 They even just fucking drifted around in that sailboat, went to different places. 0.90

01:41:37.000 You ever think about it? 0.99

01:41:38.000 No! 1.00

01:41:40.000 Fuck that! 1.00

01:41:42.000 That's not me, man. 1.00

01:41:44.000 I enjoy fishing.

01:41:45.000 I enjoy being on the water.

01:41:47.000 I love the ocean.

01:41:48.000 But if I was going to live somewhere wild, I would live in the mountains for sure.

01:41:52.000 For sure.

01:41:54.000 You ever think about just taking that one-time circumnavigation of the globe in a sailboat?

01:41:59.000 Nope.

01:42:00.000 No?

01:42:00.000 Nope.

01:42:01.000 Why?

01:42:02.000 Why? 1.00

01:42:02.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:42:03.000 It's just not attractive to me. 1.00

01:42:06.000 I respect it.

01:42:07.000 I appreciate it.

01:42:08.000 It's beautiful.

01:42:08.000 But to be contained on a small wooden vessel bouncing around at the mercy of the waves and the way the moon affects the tides.

01:42:19.000 Fuck off. 1.00

01:42:21.000 It's terrifying. 1.00

01:42:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:23.000 Look, a lot of people would say fuck off about the mountains, too. 0.99

01:42:25.000 I'm not judging. 0.99

01:42:27.000 Yeah.

01:42:27.000 Just for me, that's the vibe that I love.

01:42:30.000 I love this.

01:42:32.000 Ready?

01:42:34.000 Nothing.

01:42:35.000 That silence that you get in the mountains...

01:42:38.000 When you're sitting on top of a peak and you're overlooking these valleys and you don't hear shit except maybe a bird or a snap of a branch because an animal's running through.

01:42:50.000 That, to me, is the most centering and the most peaceful.

01:42:55.000 And it's just like something that there's a vibration of being in the wilderness that puts me at ease.

01:43:02.000 Things make sense when I'm up there.

01:43:04.000 That I like.

01:43:05.000 Yeah, I love that too.

01:43:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:08.000 The ocean can eat shit. 1.00

01:43:10.000 The ocean can go fuck off. 1.00

01:43:13.000 When it comes to being in the middle of the ocean, I share this sentiment. 0.99

01:43:16.000 On the edges, I'll take it all day.

01:43:18.000 Oh, the edges are gorgeous.

01:43:20.000 I'm only kidding.

01:43:20.000 I love it.

01:43:22.000 Like I said, if I was going to live in California, I would live in Malibu.

01:43:27.000 We were getting our kitchen fixed at one point in time, so we could either stay in our house or we decided to rent a house.

01:43:34.000 We decided, I've never lived on the water.

01:43:36.000 Let's rent a house on the water.

01:43:37.000 So we were at a house in Malibu and like in the morning I would eat breakfast and it was like right there on the water.

01:43:43.000 That's good.

01:43:43.000 It's incredible.

01:43:45.000 That's good.

01:43:46.000 I was like oh I get it.

01:43:47.000 I get it.

01:43:48.000 Similar to the mountain feeling.

01:43:50.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 Yeah.

01:43:51.000 What's your go-to mountain range?

01:43:54.000 I don't know, man.

01:43:55.000 I love them all.

01:43:56.000 I was just in the Tachapi Mountains last week in California, which is gorgeous.

01:44:03.000 The Wasatch in Utah is gorgeous.

01:44:05.000 I love the Rockies in Colorado.

01:44:07.000 I just love that...

01:44:11.000 When you're in unspoiled wilderness, there's just a vibe to it.

01:44:16.000 When you realize that these animals are out there just doing what they've done for thousands of years before humans ever even came around.

01:44:25.000 There's something about that that's just...

01:44:27.000 It's very, very, very appealing to me.

01:44:29.000 It's just gorgeous to be around.

01:44:31.000 The view of it, I don't think there's a better natural art in the world than mountains.

01:44:36.000 It's good.

01:44:37.000 Flea and I discovered it at 16. We were city boys.

01:44:41.000 We didn't know from wilderness, really.

01:44:44.000 Michigan, very flat.

01:44:46.000 And there was a popular t-shirt that said, Go Climb a Rock.

01:44:49.000 And then on the back of the shirt it said, Yosemite.

01:44:53.000 I was like, Yosemite?

01:44:54.000 What is this Yosemite thing?

01:44:57.000 And when we were 16, I said, Flea, let's get on a Greyhound bus and go see what Yosemite is all about.

01:45:04.000 So we had like shopping bags of food, canned food, and a little nylon backpack with a blanket.

01:45:12.000 And we took a Greyhound up to Yosemite.

01:45:14.000 Wow!

01:45:16.000 And took a gnarly trail.

01:45:18.000 Like we went up Yosemite Falls and into the backcountry carrying sacks of food because we didn't know any better.

01:45:26.000 So this is the 70s?

01:45:28.000 Yeah, 78 maybe.

01:45:30.000 But it was a game changer.

01:45:33.000 We connected.

01:45:34.000 We connected with that space and swam in rivers and made campfires and cooked food and saw those cosmos and maybe saw a UFO or two.

01:45:48.000 And we've been back ever since.

01:45:51.000 It was a moment where we tapped into something.

01:45:55.000 That's awesome.

01:45:56.000 And we wrote a song.

01:45:57.000 An acapella song.

01:45:59.000 Which we hadn't been doing up to that point together.

01:46:02.000 When did you guys first start making music together?

01:46:07.000 In 1983. We had this bizarre and beautiful friend from Arkansas, gay and black and fashionable and very much on the scene of LA clubs.

01:46:24.000 And Flea and Hillel and Jack Irons and Alan Yohannes had all been playing in like new wave rock bands.

01:46:32.000 But not me.

01:46:32.000 I go, I support, I dance, I have fun.

01:46:36.000 But this character from Arkansas, who was a real misfit, and ahead of his time said, why don't you let Anthony be in the band?

01:46:44.000 And they looked at him like, because he's not a musician.

01:46:47.000 I don't know.

01:46:48.000 Why would we tell Anthony to be in the band?

01:46:51.000 Let him sing one song.

01:46:54.000 And so they're like, all right, Anthony, go write some words, sing a song.

01:46:58.000 And we did that and it was so explosive and so chemically correct, the new guys together, that we couldn't stop.

01:47:09.000 We just never stopped.

01:47:10.000 That was just the beginning of a 40 year run.

01:47:13.000 And so you didn't have any inclination?

01:47:15.000 You didn't have any aspiration?

01:47:17.000 This one guy saying that to you?

01:47:20.000 To them.

01:47:21.000 He said, let Anthony sing a song.

01:47:23.000 I was like, what?

01:47:24.000 What's going on over there?

01:47:26.000 He didn't run it by you first?

01:47:28.000 No.

01:47:29.000 No, but he knew that I loved to write poetry and dance and just emote.

01:47:35.000 Did you have an idea of what you wanted to do with your life?

01:47:37.000 No.

01:47:39.000 No, I started off thinking I would be an actor or a novelist, and then I thought maybe crime would work out.

01:47:46.000 What kind of crime?

01:47:47.000 Whatever was easy.

01:47:49.000 But my father had kind of inserted enough art into my childhood with music and visual arts and just ideas that I was built of this stuff.

01:48:02.000 I was built of words and sound.

01:48:06.000 And if you trace a musician's history back to when they're kids, it's never an accident that they ended up doing that for a living.

01:48:14.000 If you look at Chad Smith, our drummer, One of the greatest drummers to ever walk the earth today.

01:48:20.000 He's a phenom.

01:48:22.000 But he was a little stoner living in the suburbs of Michigan who all he wanted to do was listen to music and be a part of music.

01:48:30.000 But he was also a natural born athlete.

01:48:33.000 He was so coordinated.

01:48:35.000 Pick up a golf club.

01:48:37.000 Boom.

01:48:38.000 Go on the ice, play hockey.

01:48:39.000 Boom.

01:48:40.000 He was just genetically coordinated.

01:48:43.000 And then he played in 20 different rock bands as a kid, just honing and woodshedding and figuring it out until we met him when he was in his 20s and hired him.

01:48:56.000 If you look at Flea, Broken home.

01:49:00.000 But his stepdad was a jazz bass player who would have jam sessions in the house all day every day.

01:49:06.000 So there's a little boy just watching these jazz bands, and then he got a trumpet, and he realized, if I play trumpet, people are going to notice me.

01:49:16.000 So the little kid who wasn't getting much attention in this adult world of a broken home, suddenly people are paying attention and listening.

01:49:27.000 And he had the discipline and the intellect.

01:49:30.000 John Frusciante, his great-grandfather, immigrant from Italy, master musician.

01:49:36.000 His father, Juilliard pianist.

01:49:39.000 So from the time he's a kid, this music, like, let's see what you got.

01:49:45.000 And then his psychosis and way of dealing with the world was, I'm just going to sit and play for 10 hours a day.

01:49:56.000 So it was never an accident that these people end up where they end up.

01:49:59.000 It's a lifetime of just everything working out so that that's your life.

01:50:08.000 So you had no aspirations of singing.

01:50:11.000 This guy tells the band, let him sing a song, you sing it, and then was it immediately?

01:50:20.000 Immediate.

01:50:22.000 It was too much fun.

01:50:24.000 And the club owner, we played one song in a club.

01:50:27.000 And Solomon Burke, this French guy who had started a club in Hollywood, charged the bandstand and said, will you boys come back next week?

01:50:35.000 Maybe play two songs.

01:50:36.000 We're like, we'll see you next week.

01:50:39.000 And we went home and we wrote a song and we came back next week.

01:50:43.000 And it just never stopped.

01:50:45.000 Wow!

01:50:47.000 And you were 21?

01:50:48.000 Yep.

01:50:49.000 21, homeless, homeless.

01:50:52.000 Sleeping in graveyards, backyards, park benches, back seats of cars, chaise lounges.

01:51:02.000 But I now had a direction.

01:51:06.000 And you just dive right in?

01:51:08.000 Yeah, it stuck.

01:51:10.000 It's what I wanted to do from that point forward.

01:51:14.000 I started carrying around notebooks and just writing and writing and figuring it out and listening more and more carefully to what these guys were playing.

01:51:23.000 Where did I fit into this rhythmically, melodically?

01:51:27.000 Learning curve.

01:51:29.000 Did you take any music lessons?

01:51:31.000 At the time, no.

01:51:33.000 But then as the years went by, I realized I had to train my voice just to sustain.

01:51:40.000 And I also wanted to do different things with my voice.

01:51:43.000 So I found some teachers, old school opera vocal coach guys and girls, which taught me a lot and made it a lot more fun and gave me a bigger playing field.

01:51:59.000 But really it's just about being present, being emotional and listening to what's happening.

01:52:06.000 So what is the creative process like when you guys make a song?

01:52:11.000 Do they have the music first?

01:52:13.000 Do you have the lyrics first?

01:52:15.000 Is it a combination of the two?

01:52:18.000 Zero rules.

01:52:19.000 Zero rules.

01:52:20.000 Zero rules, and it happens every which way, and it could be anything.

01:52:26.000 The Red Hot Chili Peppers don't have a, oh, it's got to sound like this, or it's got to sound like that, it's got to be hard, or it's got to be...

01:52:32.000 It could be anything.

01:52:34.000 It could be funky, it could be bluesy, it could be jazzy.

01:52:38.000 It could be hip-hop.

01:52:40.000 It could be folk.

01:52:42.000 We'll play anything.

01:52:44.000 Anything that we feel like playing, which is also a blessing because less boxed in.

01:52:51.000 But often John and Flea will stay home and go to their garage or their room or whatever and just play until they have something.

01:53:01.000 A tidbit, a chord progression, a rhythm, a melody, because that's what they like to do for hours.

01:53:09.000 Just play.

01:53:10.000 And they'll come to band practice and they'll say, what do you think about this?

01:53:15.000 I love that.

01:53:16.000 And I think I know what to do with that.

01:53:18.000 And it starts there.

01:53:19.000 And Chad knows what to do.

01:53:23.000 And we just build together.

01:53:25.000 Or I'll come in and I'll say, I have these words.

01:53:27.000 They're looking for a home.

01:53:29.000 What do you think?

01:53:31.000 And John is exquisite.

01:53:37.000 I'm good to go.

01:53:49.000 And then it just grows.

01:53:51.000 And what is your writing process like?

01:53:53.000 Do you write alone?

01:53:54.000 Do you like to sit alone?

01:53:55.000 Do you write with them around you?

01:53:57.000 How do you write?

01:53:59.000 I like to write alone, but I'm not afraid to write in a crowded room if it's flowing.

01:54:06.000 I think the number one thing is just to write.

01:54:11.000 If you go sit down and listen to music and get a piece of paper and a pencil or however you write, something's going to happen.

01:54:19.000 Something always happens.

01:54:21.000 Sometimes it's better than others, but if you make that time to write, something's going to happen.

01:54:29.000 Or if you have an idea, no matter where you are, On a plane, riding a bike, sound asleep, you better get the fuck up and put that idea down.

01:54:38.000 Because that could be it.

01:54:40.000 If it came to you, it means something.

01:54:44.000 So, yeah, I like to sit on my back porch with a boombox and play today's rehearsal and just sit there and write.

01:54:53.000 And I owe some of that to my father, who kind of implanted that in me, the writing, the creativity, understanding words.

01:55:05.000 But probably the most powerful thing that you could ever write is something that's honest.

01:55:10.000 So playful is fun.

01:55:13.000 Intellectual is fun.

01:55:15.000 Interesting is fun.

01:55:16.000 But when you crack into that emotional thing where it hurts or just one of those moments of honesty, that's perhaps the most valuable.

01:55:28.000 That's the kind of music, I think, that resonates with people the most.

01:55:32.000 I mean, people love all kinds of music, right?

01:55:34.000 But there's something about when you know that an artist is saying something that comes from the deepest part of their being.

01:55:44.000 Like there's some reality to what they're singing about.

01:55:47.000 It at least represents...

01:55:49.000 Some reality of what they're singing about that you know it's a part of them that excites people so much because you're sharing something.

01:55:59.000 You're sharing a part of your soul.

01:56:01.000 You're sharing a part of your life experience.

01:56:03.000 You're sharing a part of your personality.

01:56:05.000 And you're doing so through your writing.

01:56:07.000 You're doing so through your singing.

01:56:09.000 It resonates.

01:56:11.000 We're all connected.

01:56:13.000 Yeah.

01:56:14.000 And when people are like, I know that feeling.

01:56:17.000 I want to experience this guy's version of that feeling.

01:56:20.000 I'm connected to that.

01:56:23.000 The hardest of the hard, the gangsters of LA. I'll be riding down the Sunset Boulevard.

01:56:31.000 And I'll hear Under the Bridge coming out of a lowrider. 0.94

01:56:34.000 And it is the toughest, scariest, most, you know, loked out looking dudes just melting with Under the Bridge.

01:56:42.000 I'm like, okay.

01:56:44.000 That was a day well spent in writing that song.

01:56:47.000 Do you always close with that song?

01:56:49.000 Or do you guys mix up?

01:56:50.000 We mix it up.

01:56:53.000 But, yeah, it's a meaningful tune.

01:56:55.000 It has stood the test of time.

01:56:57.000 When you guys closed with it the other night, I was like, yeah, you kind of have to.

01:57:01.000 I owe a lot of that to Rick Rubin, that song.

01:57:06.000 He's amazing, isn't he?

01:57:08.000 He's alright.

01:57:08.000 What a trip.

01:57:09.000 He's alright.

01:57:10.000 He's such an unusual person.

01:57:12.000 For a beginner, he's pretty good.

01:57:16.000 So we were writing Blood Sugar Sex Magic, and at the time we would just spend our days together.

01:57:23.000 He was a lot less busy.

01:57:25.000 He wasn't a dad.

01:57:26.000 And we would just hang all day.

01:57:29.000 What are you working on?

01:57:30.000 Show me the songs you're writing.

01:57:32.000 Because he was producing our record.

01:57:34.000 And I showed him all my sexy songs, heavy funky songs.

01:57:39.000 He's like, okay, that's good.

01:57:40.000 We can work on that.

01:57:41.000 He's like, anything else in the book?

01:57:44.000 Just a poem that really isn't a song.

01:57:47.000 I mean, it has a melody, but I don't think it's for us.

01:57:50.000 Well, let me hear it.

01:57:51.000 I was like, eh, it's kind of embarrassing.

01:57:53.000 It's a little sentimental.

01:57:55.000 Love to hear it.

01:57:57.000 It was Rick, because Rick knows, like, there's no rules.

01:58:01.000 You want the thing that's not expected.

01:58:03.000 Yeah.

01:58:04.000 So I sang him under the bridge and he was like, that's your best song.

01:58:08.000 I was like, eh, it's just a poem.

01:58:10.000 Bring it into the boys.

01:58:12.000 Show them the song.

01:58:13.000 So without Rick's push, you know, for the counterintuitive, sensitive guy song, we might have never had a chance to write that.

01:58:25.000 There's some people in the world that are magic.

01:58:28.000 Yeah, I love Rick, and he is magic.

01:58:31.000 He's a magic person.

01:58:32.000 Yeah. 0.91

01:58:33.000 He has, like, when you're talking to him, like, he has a sense of ignoring the bullshit and just tuning into the magic.

01:58:43.000 It's a very, and you can tell when you're talking to him, it's not nonsense.

01:58:49.000 It's like a science, almost.

01:58:51.000 It's like an understanding of what it is.

01:58:54.000 And he just follows that frequency.

01:58:56.000 He chases it down.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, he's tuned into that.

01:59:00.000 Yeah.

01:59:01.000 He's very good at that.

01:59:03.000 He's another person, if you look at his origins, it's no accident that he ended up being the person that he is.

01:59:13.000 Single child.

01:59:16.000 Out in the suburbs of New York City, I think.

01:59:19.000 Long Beach?

01:59:20.000 Long Island?

01:59:22.000 And he had an aunt.

01:59:24.000 Very cerebral boy.

01:59:26.000 Already just like very smart kid.

01:59:28.000 But living a boring, culture-free life of The island.

01:59:35.000 And he had an aunt who lived in Manhattan who loved her nephew.

01:59:39.000 And every weekend or every other weekend, whatever, he would go spend with her and she was cultured.

01:59:44.000 She was like, we're going to the opera.

01:59:46.000 We're going to the symphony.

01:59:47.000 We're going to the museum.

01:59:49.000 We're going to go see...

01:59:51.000 All this different stuff.

01:59:52.000 And Rick was amazed by the music and the art and the culture that she was sharing with him that he wasn't getting in his home life.

02:00:02.000 And he just started tapping into the magic.

02:00:08.000 And dedicating himself in a way that led to him starting his record company when he was in the NYU dorms.

02:00:17.000 But it wasn't an accident.

02:00:19.000 He got fed the raw materials as a kid, and it opened up his dream.

02:00:24.000 And I think probably also being a single kid, you're not influenced by your siblings either.

02:00:29.000 So you have a chance to sort of be who you actually are.

02:00:34.000 Less influence.

02:00:35.000 He would get on a bus and go...

02:00:39.000 200 miles to see James Brown when James Brown was still on tour.

02:00:43.000 By himself!

02:00:44.000 And he would get there five hours early.

02:00:46.000 They were like, you gotta wait in the parking lot because doors don't open for five hours.

02:00:51.000 As a kid by himself to go see James Brown.

02:00:55.000 I was like, eh, you're qualified.

02:00:57.000 Just out of appreciation.

02:00:58.000 Not even thinking there was a career involved in that.

02:01:00.000 That's what's so crazy about his story.

02:01:02.000 Yeah.

02:01:03.000 There was no career to be that guy.

02:01:05.000 Nope.

02:01:06.000 No, he invented a career.

02:01:07.000 Yeah.

02:01:08.000 There was no future in hip-hop.

02:01:12.000 No.

02:01:13.000 People looked down upon it.

02:01:15.000 They thought it wasn't even music.

02:01:16.000 Yes.

02:01:17.000 Call us back when you have some music, they would say.

02:01:20.000 Isn't that hilarious?

02:01:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:01:22.000 He was telling me the whole story of the connection between Aerosmith and Run DMC about people like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.98

02:01:28.000 You're like ruining Aerosmith. 0.99

02:01:31.000 And then the hip-hop people are like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

02:01:33.000 You're putting hip-hop together with rock? 1.00

02:01:35.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:01:37.000 And then meanwhile, it's like, oh my god, you just united two worlds. 0.99

02:01:41.000 Yeah.

02:01:41.000 You united two worlds and opened up a whole new realm of possibility for music.

02:01:46.000 And you just did it by following magic.

02:01:49.000 Yeah.

02:01:50.000 Yeah.

02:01:51.000 So I met him in maybe 1985 and we were flailing.

02:01:59.000 I was lost in a retarded sea of drug addiction. 1.00

02:02:05.000 Just...

02:02:06.000 How did that start?

02:02:08.000 Huh?

02:02:08.000 How'd that start?

02:02:10.000 I'll tell you, but first I got to show the little Rick tidbit.

02:02:13.000 So I was basically a junkie, but still showing up to work from time to time, which was the basement of the EMI studios on Sunset Boulevard.

02:02:23.000 They gave us a little basement to rehearse in.

02:02:25.000 They had signed us.

02:02:28.000 But we were going nowhere very slowly.

02:02:30.000 Couldn't get out of our own way.

02:02:33.000 But we were still making a buzz.

02:02:36.000 There was still something exciting about us that caught people's attention, and it caught Rick Rubin's attention.

02:02:42.000 And he was with the Beastie Boys, and they were exploding with success and greatness, writing incredible music.

02:02:51.000 And so Rick brought the Beastie Boys to our dingy little recording or rehearsal spot, and he sat there, and we rehearsed while they watched.

02:03:02.000 They're in these little dirty couches watching us, and we went through our songs.

02:03:08.000 And Rick stood up and said, we're going to go now.

02:03:10.000 And I was like, okay, do we talk again?

02:03:12.000 What's going on?

02:03:14.000 We'll get back to you.

02:03:15.000 Didn't see him for years.

02:03:17.000 Years and years and years went by.

02:03:20.000 Eventually I got clean and he came back and said, let's make a record.

02:03:24.000 But I said, what happened that day?

02:03:25.000 You came and we played and you disappeared and I never talked to you again.

02:03:29.000 He's like, I thought somebody was going to get murdered in that rehearsal space.

02:03:33.000 I thought somebody was going to die.

02:03:35.000 I had to leave.

02:03:36.000 That's how dark we had become.

02:03:38.000 That's how dark I had become.

02:03:39.000 He was afraid someone was going to die and it was time to leave. 0.87

02:03:43.000 Murdered!

02:03:44.000 That's what he said.

02:03:45.000 He's like, you guys were terrifying.

02:03:46.000 You were scary.

02:03:48.000 It felt like somebody was going to die.

02:03:50.000 We had to go.

02:03:53.000 When you look back on those times, do you understand how he thought that?

02:03:57.000 Not exactly, but everybody has their own perception and there was darkness in the room.

02:04:07.000 When you're following that lifestyle, there's definitely, instead of a magical energy, there's a very discernible dark energy.

02:04:15.000 Yeah.

02:04:16.000 But I didn't realize it was that dangerous.

02:04:19.000 He was scared.

02:04:21.000 How did you get on the road, the drug road?

02:04:27.000 Well, I think the road was already in me from birth.

02:04:33.000 A combination of predisposed to addiction, physically, and then emotionally I developed the tendencies that I needed to squash some of the noise.

02:04:48.000 Spiritually a little depleted.

02:04:53.000 So I started smoking weed and loved it.

02:04:56.000 It was a very fun and at the time subversive thing to be a part of.

02:05:00.000 Today it's pretty damn common.

02:05:03.000 But then it was very outlaw as a young teenage boy.

02:05:09.000 And years went by and there was no problem.

02:05:12.000 And then I started introducing narcotics at a pretty young age and really had nothing to say about it anymore.

02:05:19.000 I was like the caboose of a train just going wherever the hell that train said to go.

02:05:26.000 It was interesting and it was exciting, but it was also painful as hell.

02:05:32.000 It was just like, in the end, this is a life of suffering.

02:05:38.000 Fortunately, my destiny was meant to survive that.

02:05:46.000 It isn't really events or advice or anything that...

02:05:52.000 It gives you the window to step out of that, but it's a little gift from the cosmos that just makes you look at yourself and say, I'm going to give you a chance.

02:06:02.000 I'm going to give you an opportunity to put in the work to get better, if you so choose.

02:06:07.000 If not, carry on.

02:06:11.000 What was the narcotic of choice?

02:06:14.000 Of choice, I would have to say the combination of heroin and cocaine was, at that moment, Do you remember what you started with?

02:06:25.000 Of those two?

02:06:26.000 Yeah.

02:06:26.000 I probably did the cocaine shortly before the heroin, but right around the same time, very young age.

02:06:34.000 And did you do it because it was the thing that people around you did?

02:06:40.000 Was it just exciting?

02:06:42.000 Was it rebellious?

02:06:43.000 What was it?

02:06:44.000 Was it a part of rock and roll?

02:06:45.000 It had nothing to do with rock and roll or trying to impress or put on a pretense.

02:06:51.000 It was happening around me in my world.

02:06:54.000 It was exciting and dangerous.

02:06:58.000 Everyone's afraid of that.

02:07:00.000 I think I'll do that thing that just the word scares people.

02:07:04.000 But it was also...

02:07:07.000 A way of checking out.

02:07:09.000 In the same way that one person will sit down in a bar and have some beers and just not stop.

02:07:17.000 That allergic reaction to the sensation of finding your medicine.

02:07:23.000 I had that reaction.

02:07:25.000 I felt whole by putting these things in me until I had to pay the toll.

02:07:33.000 It's like you steal from Peter, you got to pay Paul the next day, and it's a terrible paycheck to write.

02:07:40.000 Terrible paycheck to write.

02:07:41.000 I can only imagine.

02:07:42.000 Yeah, it was finding the thing that I thought was going to make me well, but really it was just killing me.

02:07:53.000 And how long were you on that road for?

02:07:56.000 Well, I think I was 27 the first time that I was able to put in the work and get sober.

02:08:06.000 And then I went to my young 30s and kind of forgot where I came from and forgot the process of maintaining.

02:08:16.000 You get physically fit.

02:08:18.000 It's not going to be for life.

02:08:19.000 You've got to show up.

02:08:21.000 Or anything else.

02:08:22.000 Your craft.

02:08:24.000 You put it down, it fades.

02:08:26.000 So I put down the craft of sobriety, and it opened an opportunity.

02:08:32.000 And I ended up going back out there for a bunch of years, like five years, which was even worse, because now I knew that there was a solution, and I was just ignoring it.

02:08:43.000 So there was nothing fun about it.

02:08:47.000 The window came back and I had another chance to commit to sobriety and I did and that was 21 years ago.

02:08:55.000 How'd you get sober the first time?

02:08:59.000 So in a way, my best friend died, which did not instigate sobriety.

02:09:05.000 Did he die from drugs?

02:09:06.000 He did.

02:09:09.000 But it definitely destroyed me emotionally.

02:09:14.000 But I continued to use after he died.

02:09:17.000 And then I got to the point where I could not turn off the noise with drugs and alcohol.

02:09:22.000 Literally flooding my body with the substance and still wide awake.

02:09:27.000 So I was not getting the desired effect.

02:09:30.000 I was like, this is terrible.

02:09:33.000 I'm putting all this poison in me and I'm still here.

02:09:37.000 And I called up a friend and rehabs were not a thing at that time.

02:09:43.000 I called up a sober friend and I was like, One of those rehab things, I gotta find one.

02:09:48.000 He's like, the only one I know of is very expensive, 10 grand.

02:09:52.000 Which, in the 80s, for a struggling musician, I was like, I have 10 grand.

02:09:57.000 That's exactly how much money I have.

02:09:59.000 And I spent it.

02:10:01.000 I gave my last 10 grand, my only 10 grand ever.

02:10:04.000 To a rehab and I went and I checked in and there was 30 dope fiends in the room of all walks of life, but all with a common sickness.

02:10:17.000 And the counselor said, I'm looking at 30 of you and stats wise, one of you is going to get sober out of here.

02:10:28.000 Wow.

02:10:29.000 And I was like, get out the way because I'm taking that spot.

02:10:33.000 I was such a little...

02:10:35.000 Competitive.

02:10:36.000 Yeah, as an egomaniac.

02:10:37.000 You're just like, I am taking that.

02:10:40.000 Right.

02:10:40.000 Please, you know, the rest of you can go back to where you came from.

02:10:43.000 Only one out of 30. That's what he said to us.

02:10:46.000 And there was like a guy from the SWAT team.

02:10:49.000 There was professional athlete.

02:10:51.000 There was just every variety of person in there.

02:10:55.000 I was like, I'll take it.

02:10:58.000 But then I realized there's a process to it and there's a being of service aspect to it and there's a becoming humble aspect to it all. 1.00

02:11:08.000 And that was the beginning of me taking many years to go from being a complete idiot to only a partial idiot. 0.99

02:11:17.000 So how long is this rehab for? 1.00

02:11:19.000 That was a month.

02:11:22.000 And it stuck for a long time.

02:11:24.000 So you get out?

02:11:26.000 Yep.

02:11:27.000 Fully clean.

02:11:27.000 Did they try to get you to replace that habit with something positive, some sort of a positive habit?

02:11:36.000 I've heard that advice before, to get people to try jogging, do yoga, do something you get addicted to.

02:11:45.000 It was more of a...

02:11:49.000 There are lots of things you have to change about the way you're doing business with people in the world, but it's not really a replacement with an activity.

02:11:59.000 Prayer and meditation was a part of it, something I had never considered before, getting still and quiet and connecting.

02:12:06.000 Being of service was a part of it.

02:12:08.000 Taking a look at yourself was a part of it.

02:12:10.000 Admitting your faults was a part of it.

02:12:12.000 Making amends was a part of it.

02:12:15.000 And being present for the next person who needs that help was a part of it.

02:12:21.000 So once you kind of get the gist and the gift and the experience of sobriety, When some new bastard shows up who's lost, you have to show up because really the language of one addict talking to another is kind of where the magic happens as it does when you associate with somebody who only can relate to a very specific experience that you've had.

02:12:46.000 You could talk all day long to a normie and they're like, why don't you just put it down?

02:12:51.000 I wish I could.

02:12:52.000 It just doesn't work like that.

02:12:54.000 I've never been addicted to a drug before.

02:12:58.000 But is it like...

02:13:01.000 It's not necessarily physical, right?

02:13:07.000 Because once you get the physical out of your system, the mental pull is still there, right?

02:13:13.000 It is physical because it's like an allergy.

02:13:17.000 So yeah, you could...

02:13:18.000 Get rid of the physical addiction.

02:13:20.000 But then the minute you take that substance, whatever your addiction is, you react to it differently than a normal person.

02:13:28.000 So that's the physical.

02:13:29.000 Like a person who's drinking booze, the chemistry is physically different as it hits your bloodstream.

02:13:38.000 So you mean like you're naturally more physically addicted?

02:13:42.000 Yes.

02:13:43.000 And you don't think that has to do with your childhood or with trauma?

02:13:46.000 That's part of it.

02:13:47.000 It's part of it.

02:13:48.000 That's part of it.

02:13:48.000 So that's what naturally makes you more physically addicted?

02:13:51.000 No.

02:13:51.000 So that is the...

02:13:53.000 It's part of it.

02:13:54.000 The emotional and or spiritual element.

02:13:56.000 But the study that they do on people, the way they process alcohol is different.

02:14:03.000 Right.

02:14:03.000 So there's a genetic variable as well.

02:14:06.000 Yes.

02:14:06.000 There's a genetic variable.

02:14:10.000 So was what alcohol, was that the thing that got you off the wagon again?

02:14:17.000 No.

02:14:20.000 Painkillers.

02:14:21.000 From a doctor visit.

02:14:23.000 And by the way, had I been fit...

02:14:28.000 With my recovery, it wouldn't have been an issue.

02:14:31.000 Did you have a surgery or something like that?

02:14:33.000 I did.

02:14:34.000 I had a wicked four tooth surgery.

02:14:41.000 And I went in there without my tools or my connection to where I had come from.

02:14:47.000 I had just kind of forgotten about it.

02:14:48.000 Like, I'm good.

02:14:49.000 I'll live and die sober.

02:14:50.000 But I stopped doing the work.

02:14:53.000 And so they give you some sort of a painkiller because of your teeth?

02:14:56.000 I was done.

02:14:57.000 And you were right back.

02:14:58.000 Done.

02:14:59.000 And I've since had all kinds of surgeries.

02:15:02.000 No issue.

02:15:03.000 And did they put you on painkillers with the other surgeries as well?

02:15:07.000 Yes.

02:15:07.000 Yeah?

02:15:07.000 But you understand it now.

02:15:10.000 Yeah, well, I went in there, like, you know, talking to people before I went in.

02:15:14.000 And just, yeah, it's exercise.

02:15:17.000 Yeah.

02:15:17.000 Yeah, my friend Artie Lang, he had some really heavy bouts with drug addiction.

02:15:26.000 And he had his nose collapse for a bunch of different reasons.

02:15:33.000 One, because he snorted pills that were mixed with glass.

02:15:38.000 Because someone was crushing the pills up with a salt shaker and it had glass in it.

02:15:44.000 Cut his nose up it got infected and he also got punched out by some guy who was an enforcer for a dealer or a bookie who he owed money to and so his nose is collapsed and He was gonna get it fixed, but he can't Because he's like I can't take the risk of getting back on the pain pillar painkillers That that's a choice.

02:16:08.000 I understand Like, the payment for going back to where it came from is too great.

02:16:16.000 Yeah.

02:16:18.000 There are people who can do it.

02:16:20.000 Like, they go in there with a support.

02:16:22.000 Right.

02:16:22.000 With tools.

02:16:23.000 With tools and with the connection and doing all of the things that you have to do to be well.

02:16:29.000 But I understand his fear.

02:16:31.000 To not ever want to go back to where he came from is a powerful thing.

02:16:35.000 It was so hard for him to get sober.

02:16:37.000 And last time I talked to him, we did a podcast together, and he was so alive.

02:16:42.000 He was so sober, and he was so funny. 0.99

02:16:44.000 His fucking stories were so good. 0.99

02:16:47.000 And he was like, I'm not going to do it. 1.00

02:16:49.000 I'm not going to take that fucking chance. 0.99

02:16:50.000 I'd rather have a flat nose. 0.99

02:16:52.000 Yeah.

02:16:52.000 I'm like, okay, I get it, man.

02:16:54.000 I'll take the flat nose. 0.99

02:16:54.000 I fucking get it. 0.99

02:16:55.000 Yep. 0.99

02:16:56.000 Yeah, oddly enough, a lot of the addicts and alcoholics I know are the most interesting and...

02:17:03.000 Oh my God.

02:17:04.000 It kind of comes with the territory.

02:17:06.000 Some of my favorite funny people either used to be addicts or are addicts.

02:17:11.000 Yeah.

02:17:11.000 Lenny Bruce.

02:17:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:13.000 Lenny Bruce.

02:17:13.000 Smart guy.

02:17:14.000 Richard Pryor.

02:17:15.000 Rich!

02:17:16.000 Sam Kinison.

02:17:17.000 Oh, yes.

02:17:18.000 Yeah.

02:17:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:19.000 Yeah.

02:17:20.000 Did you ever meet Richard?

02:17:21.000 I met Richard.

02:17:22.000 You met Richard.

02:17:24.000 Yeah.

02:17:24.000 I actually worked with Richard for five weeks in a row at the Comedy Store before he died.

02:17:30.000 Damn. 0.99

02:17:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:17:31.000 Wheelchair? 1.00

02:17:32.000 Yeah.

02:17:33.000 They had to carry him to the stage, and they would crank up the microphone.

02:17:39.000 And he was really sick at the time.

02:17:42.000 Yeah.

02:17:42.000 He was on his way out.

02:17:43.000 And I was 27. I was, you know, just getting to Hollywood, just recently a paid regular at the Comedy Store.

02:17:52.000 Had no business being on stage with Richard Pryor.

02:17:54.000 And he would go on, and then I'd go on after him every night.

02:17:59.000 Who has business being on stage with Richard Pye?

02:18:02.000 Nobody, right?

02:18:03.000 He was the reason why I even understood what comedy was.

02:18:08.000 When I was 15 years old, my parents took me to see Live on the Sunset Strip in the movie theater.

02:18:14.000 And I'll never forget. 0.74

02:18:16.000 Because I had seen a bunch of great movies like Stripes and fucking all these funny, funny, funny movies. 0.82

02:18:22.000 I had never laughed so hard. 0.96

02:18:24.000 As I was laughing at this guy who was just talking.

02:18:27.000 And I couldn't imagine that this was like, how is this happening?

02:18:31.000 So I'm sitting in the audience and I remember looking around while I was laughing and people are falling out of their chairs.

02:18:37.000 They're throwing their arms up in the air.

02:18:39.000 They couldn't breathe.

02:18:40.000 And I was like, this is amazing.

02:18:42.000 All this guy's doing is talking.

02:18:44.000 And that planted the seed in my mind about what stand-up comedy is.

02:18:48.000 I never considered doing it at the time.

02:18:51.000 I was just like, this is incredible.

02:18:53.000 And I became like this giant fan of stand-up comedy from that moment.

02:18:57.000 And then I started listening to his old albums, and I started listening to...

02:19:02.000 All sorts of different, like Cheech and Chong and Bill Cosby and all these different stand-up comedy albums.

02:19:08.000 Those are good records.

02:19:09.000 Oh my God.

02:19:10.000 And that was sort of like the beginning of my obsession with the art of stand-up comedy, was that one time seeing him in the movie theater when I was a 15-year-old kid.

02:19:21.000 So for me to be sharing the stage with him 12 years later was nuts.

02:19:26.000 Just nuts.

02:19:28.000 Was he still funny? 0.91

02:19:30.000 Unfortunately, no.

02:19:31.000 No?

02:19:31.000 No.

02:19:32.000 It was sad.

02:19:34.000 It was sad, and the audience was super bummed out.

02:19:37.000 And so I would have to kind of revive the crowd as best I could.

02:19:43.000 Because he was gone.

02:19:44.000 He was medicated, and he was also drinking.

02:19:47.000 So he was drinking, and he was medicated.

02:19:49.000 And they'd have to crank the microphone.

02:19:52.000 So he would go out and say, Because the mic was just cracked because his voice was so soft.

02:20:00.000 In a way, he kind of earned the right to go out like that.

02:20:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:03.000 I mean, five weeks of unfunny Richard.

02:20:08.000 I'll take it.

02:20:09.000 I'm sure he had his moments. 1.00

02:20:11.000 There were some moments where he got some laughs, but for the most part, you'd go on stage afterwards and people would look at me like this, like, fuck. 0.99

02:20:19.000 Like, what did we just see? 0.97

02:20:21.000 They were coming to see Richard Pryor, their hero in comedy, and they got to see a great artist at the end of his line, you know?

02:20:29.000 Yeah.

02:20:30.000 My jam with Richard was everything but Long Beach.

02:20:33.000 Oh, yeah.

02:20:34.000 That's my jam.

02:20:35.000 Oh my god. 1.00

02:20:36.000 When that guy came up to take a picture at the beginning of the show, he was like, hey motherfucker, what are you doing? 0.99

02:20:42.000 People are coming to their seats as he's on stage. 0.99

02:20:45.000 He's on stage and people are...

02:20:48.000 He's filming his comedy special as people are walking in and sitting down.

02:20:54.000 Amazing.

02:20:54.000 Priceless.

02:20:55.000 Oh my god.

02:20:55.000 And it's a great special too.

02:20:57.000 It's a fucking classic special. 0.99

02:20:59.000 That's a good one. 0.99

02:21:00.000 I performed in that very same place.

02:21:02.000 That's all I could think of.

02:21:04.000 It was a man, Richard Pryor.

02:21:05.000 He did a special here.

02:21:07.000 And there's only a few.

02:21:09.000 He only has a few specials.

02:21:11.000 It's a very small handful.

02:21:12.000 Some of the great ones are...

02:21:14.000 There's cassettes that are available that you can now get on YouTube of him performing at Red Fox Comedy Club.

02:21:21.000 Red Fox had a comedy club in Los Angeles.

02:21:23.000 Sold Out.

02:21:24.000 Yeah.

02:21:24.000 Called Sold Out.

02:21:25.000 And he performed there.

02:21:27.000 I think it was just called Red Fox Comedy Club, wasn't it?

02:21:30.000 I think he's had a few, and I think Red Fox turned into sold out.

02:21:35.000 But I bought the cassettes at a gas station.

02:21:37.000 I was at like a truck stop one place, and they had cassettes.

02:21:41.000 And I was like, what is this?

02:21:44.000 And they were just like raw recordings. 0.99

02:21:47.000 You could hear the clink of ice cubes in the glass, and you could hear people in the crowd, and he was just riffing and talking shit, and it was amazing.

02:21:55.000 I mean, some of his great work is not on video.

02:21:59.000 Some of his great work is really, like, cassettes.

02:22:03.000 Do you have those cassettes?

02:22:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:04.000 You have those cassettes.

02:22:05.000 You're taking good care of those cassettes?

02:22:07.000 I've got a lot of his stuff.

02:22:08.000 Did you digitize those cassettes?

02:22:11.000 Well, I've got digital copies of some of them.

02:22:14.000 You can still buy a lot of them.

02:22:16.000 You can still buy a lot of them online, too, which is great.

02:22:19.000 You know, that's the beautiful thing about today.

02:22:21.000 Like, someone could tell you about a great song or a great album, and you could just go on your phone and get it.

02:22:27.000 Yes.

02:22:27.000 Like that.

02:22:28.000 I appreciate that.

02:22:29.000 I appreciate that.

02:22:30.000 So we have a song.

02:22:32.000 We wrote...

02:22:34.000 50-some-odd songs during the pandemic.

02:22:39.000 Oh, wow.

02:22:40.000 50?

02:22:41.000 Yeah.

02:22:42.000 It was fun.

02:22:43.000 It was easy.

02:22:43.000 It was magic.

02:22:46.000 When the world shuts down and you have your gang together to write, it was a special moment.

02:22:54.000 But one of the songs, which did not make it onto either of our double records, is called The Comedy Store.

02:23:01.000 Oh.

02:23:03.000 And...

02:23:05.000 I knew it wasn't the most original title or anything like that, but I have my connection to comedy and John Fashante has a deep love for stand-up comedy.

02:23:15.000 He re-inspired my love for stand-up comedy when I met him in the late 80s.

02:23:20.000 And so the Comedy Store song is kind of an ode to stand-up and the joy of sneaking in the back door of a club and catching a set and all these different little Hollywood references.

02:23:35.000 But the chorus spoke to Dave Chappelle, who I love and admire.

02:23:40.000 As a human being, we're all full of everything.

02:23:44.000 But to me, he is kind of the reigning king of stand-up.

02:23:51.000 And I love a lot of comedians, but he's somebody who I can just listen to.

02:23:56.000 And the lyric did not sit well With everybody involved.

02:24:02.000 So sadly, that song sits dormant, not yet on a record.

02:24:06.000 But I'm hoping that the energy will shift to the point where we can put out that song.

02:24:12.000 What was wrong with the lyric?

02:24:14.000 In my opinion, it was beautiful.

02:24:17.000 And we're all so full of Greatness and fallibility and mistakes and accomplishments and so the lyric was Dave Chappelle for president and it's in a really beautiful melody and it's a very light-hearted statement but because you know there's kind of that tradition of campaign banners where it's like WC Fields for president and it just kind of fit

02:24:47.000 into the chorus Dave Chappelle for president I wasn't, like, making a serious statement.

02:24:54.000 It was just like...

02:24:55.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:24:56.000 So it was during the time of all of this controversy.

02:24:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:25:01.000 But the song is so flotatious and groovy and laid back, and you might just feel like you're in the mountains listening to the song.

02:25:11.000 So, someday I'll share it with you, whether it gets released or not.

02:25:14.000 I'll trade you a copy of that song for a copy of one of your Richard Pryor cassettes.

02:25:20.000 Oh, okay.

02:25:21.000 Beautiful.

02:25:21.000 I'll send you those in the email.

02:25:24.000 They're available.

02:25:25.000 A lot of them are available online.

02:25:27.000 You know, the Red Fox ones. 0.99

02:25:29.000 They're fucking great, man. 0.99

02:25:30.000 Because you get to see them experiment. 0.99

02:25:33.000 That's one of the joys of the internet today.

02:25:35.000 Back when I was a kid, I had to find those at a truck stop.

02:25:39.000 Now you can just find them like that online.

02:25:43.000 There's a beautiful thing about that.

02:25:46.000 Some of it's kind of fucked because the magic of discovering this thing is not there anymore because now it's available instantaneously, but still, it's better that way. 0.67

02:25:57.000 It's different. 0.94

02:25:58.000 It's different.

02:25:59.000 It's different.

02:26:00.000 But it can reach more people.

02:26:01.000 That's what I like about it.

02:26:02.000 If that's the goal.

02:26:03.000 But yes, for sure it's more successful.

02:26:06.000 But I don't even mean more successful because he's gone.

02:26:09.000 I mean, like right now, people listening can go.

02:26:13.000 And one of them was called Playing Craps.

02:26:15.000 Was it called Craps?

02:26:18.000 Something like that.

02:26:19.000 I forget what it's called.

02:26:22.000 Someone can listen to this and then go on YouTube and then bam, they can get it.

02:26:28.000 There it is.

02:26:29.000 Craps.

02:26:30.000 After Hours.

02:26:31.000 I like the cover. 0.99

02:26:32.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

02:26:37.000 I'm in. 0.99

02:26:37.000 I'm sold. 0.99

02:26:38.000 How many minutes is that, Jamie?

02:26:39.000 32. 32 minutes?

02:26:41.000 That's a great poster.

02:26:42.000 I'll put that up in my bedroom.

02:26:44.000 Yeah, 36 minutes. 0.98

02:26:45.000 It's fucking great. 0.97

02:26:46.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:26:47.000 And this is, you know, probably...

02:26:50.000 It's put online.

02:26:51.000 Somebody put it online in 2011. They probably put it online after we talked about it.

02:26:55.000 Because we talked about it way back then for sure.

02:26:57.000 Because I talked about how great it was just to be listening to these live recordings from these comedy clubs.

02:27:02.000 It is a great thing.

02:27:03.000 71. 1971. There is something about the process of...

02:27:09.000 Seeking out and searching and putting in the due diligence to find that or to show up to the show or go to the record store.

02:27:19.000 That made it all a bit more cool.

02:27:21.000 Right.

02:27:22.000 Then now you just tap that button and it's there.

02:27:26.000 So yeah, you're reaching a larger audience.

02:27:28.000 I think you said it right.

02:27:29.000 I think it's different.

02:27:30.000 It's different.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:32.000 It's not better or worse, right?

02:27:33.000 It's different.

02:27:34.000 Same with rock and roll.

02:27:38.000 What was it like for you guys when all of that The streaming thing, when it all came to be with Napster and there was this big uproar, how did you feel about that when all that was going on?

02:27:53.000 Because that was the giant shift, right?

02:27:55.000 Napster was the great shift when the internet sort of realized, like, oh, we can just get this stuff for free.

02:28:01.000 And then, you know, some people were furious about it.

02:28:04.000 Like, I interviewed...

02:28:06.000 Paul Stanley from Kiss once.

02:28:08.000 And he was like, man, it's stealing. 1.00

02:28:10.000 You're fucking stealing my music. 0.99

02:28:12.000 And I was like, wow, that's an interesting way of looking at it. 0.99

02:28:16.000 Because some people didn't think of it that way at all.

02:28:19.000 They thought of it like, well, this is a way my fans can get my music easier.

02:28:24.000 And if you really want to support me and you like the music, go buy the CD too.

02:28:28.000 But I'm happy you got it.

02:28:31.000 I did not have time or energy to even care about it.

02:28:35.000 My focus was just wanting to make good music and put in the effort that whatever happened to it afterwards, I didn't even care.

02:28:46.000 You guys had already made so much money selling actual physical records by then, right?

02:28:51.000 What year did Napster happen?

02:28:53.000 I want to say it was like 99-ish.

02:28:57.000 Is that it?

02:28:57.000 I think we made our lion's share of cash flow in the 2000s.

02:29:02.000 Really?

02:29:03.000 I think so.

02:29:03.000 Well, people are still 100% still buying CDs.

02:29:06.000 Yes.

02:29:07.000 And when did it die?

02:29:09.000 10 years ago?

02:29:10.000 10 years ago.

02:29:11.000 Ish.

02:29:12.000 I didn't care.

02:29:13.000 Napster didn't bother me.

02:29:16.000 It was like, if that's what's happening, that's happening.

02:29:18.000 Really, I just wanted to be a good band member and a productive bandmate and do our thing and go play live, which you can't replicate.

02:29:29.000 That's the thing that kind of kept us alive, even when record sales disappeared.

02:29:35.000 When we go play live, people show up.

02:29:39.000 So I wasn't worried about the money, but I think even if that had happened earlier when I was less financially capable, I don't care.

02:29:49.000 We were never in it for the money.

02:29:50.000 The money was a bonus.

02:29:52.000 You would just be like, well, this is how it is now.

02:29:55.000 This is how it is now.

02:29:56.000 We didn't miss a beat.

02:29:58.000 We never wasted a moment.

02:30:01.000 A lot of people who are more commerce-oriented fought tooth and nail like, this can't happen.

02:30:09.000 And yeah, there's probably some injustices going on in there where corporations are taking advantage of those opportunities. 0.91

02:30:17.000 Certainly, yeah.

02:30:18.000 I don't have that much time and space to devote to fighting those.

02:30:22.000 I'd rather spend my time and energy making something good.

02:30:27.000 Good for you, man.

02:30:28.000 That's a great attitude.

02:30:30.000 I didn't disagree with how Lars Ulrich felt about it.

02:30:35.000 I understood what he was saying.

02:30:37.000 But I was like, man, that's a bad look.

02:30:40.000 It's just, like, you're so wealthy and so successful. 1.00

02:30:44.000 And the people that are downloading your music for free are your fucking fans. 0.99

02:30:47.000 And a lot of them are poor, you know? 1.00

02:30:49.000 And now they can get it.

02:30:51.000 They can get it right away.

02:30:52.000 And for you to call them, like, thieves and get angry and tell people not to do it, like, man, this is a new, disruptive technology, and you're not gonna stop it.

02:31:03.000 Definitely not.

02:31:04.000 And I think some people, maybe some older folks who weren't in tune with the new internet, they thought somehow or another you were going to stop it.

02:31:14.000 I was like, man, you don't understand this genie, because that bottle, that cork is off that bottle.

02:31:20.000 And this whole thing, this is the future, man.

02:31:22.000 It's going to change for everybody with everything, whether it's with movies, with everything you could imagine.

02:31:28.000 It's all going to be available now.

02:31:31.000 And people that fought it were really just losing ground.

02:31:34.000 So our record company, Warner Brothers, were very slow to recognize the power of the internet.

02:31:42.000 And they got hurt.

02:31:45.000 And so we just put out a record a couple days ago.

02:31:52.000 And another double record in the same year, which is kind of a beautiful thing.

02:31:56.000 But the main guy from the rec company showed up, very lovely dude, cares about music, super into the band.

02:32:03.000 And I was like, well, we have to make sure that this doesn't leak.

02:32:07.000 This is two weeks ago.

02:32:08.000 And he's like, well, we've kind of changed our tune on that lately.

02:32:14.000 If it leaks, it leaks.

02:32:16.000 So even these gigantic behemoth companies are now like, okay.

02:32:22.000 So it leaked.

02:32:24.000 It just makes it more popular.

02:32:26.000 Just more people tell people about it.

02:32:28.000 I don't care.

02:32:29.000 Good for you, man.

02:32:31.000 I just want people to hear it.

02:32:34.000 You know, I believe that from you. 0.99

02:32:36.000 Some people would say that and I go, eh, he fucking cares. 0.96

02:32:39.000 For you, I really, really believe it. 0.96

02:32:41.000 It's easy for me to say I'm not missing meals.

02:32:44.000 Yeah.

02:32:45.000 You know?

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 But, yeah.

02:32:48.000 I don't expect to sell records these days.

02:32:51.000 That's not an expectation.

02:32:52.000 There was a time when I did, but now I feel like music is made just to be played.

02:32:59.000 We get paid at our live shows.

02:33:00.000 Yeah.

02:33:01.000 Yeah.

02:33:02.000 We're doing just fine.

02:33:04.000 Well, it was sold out the other day, Zilker Park. 0.95

02:33:06.000 It was fucking awesome. 0.85

02:33:07.000 Yeah, well, that's an institution, so I think that sells out no matter what. 0.90

02:33:12.000 Well, you guys are an institution. 0.97

02:33:17.000 You were one of those guys when I first met you, I was like, oh shit, he's right there. 0.97

02:33:21.000 It was weird. 0.96

02:33:22.000 When was that?

02:33:23.000 I don't remember.

02:33:23.000 I don't know if we met.

02:33:25.000 Our kids went to school together.

02:33:26.000 I don't know if we met there for the first time or if we met at the UFC for the first time.

02:33:32.000 I don't remember.

02:33:32.000 I feel like I met you in an arena early in the day for some fights.

02:33:37.000 Yeah.

02:33:38.000 And I was like, that guy's a UFC fan?

02:33:41.000 That's wild.

02:33:42.000 It was weird.

02:33:43.000 I was like, I thought you were like this, and you are, this like super peaceful kind of hippie guy.

02:33:48.000 And for you to be like really into the UFC. But then when we talked about it, I got it.

02:33:53.000 Because you really respected the athletes and the difficulty of what they're doing and how tremendous the whole promotion was and the way they would put these fights together and the excitement of it all.

02:34:07.000 They're good.

02:34:09.000 That's a good promotion.

02:34:10.000 They're the best.

02:34:11.000 I adore combat sports.

02:34:14.000 I adored boxing when I was a kid.

02:34:17.000 Bruce Lee was everything to me in 1974. Everything!

02:34:23.000 I built nunchucks out of a broom, put them in my back pocket, went to school.

02:34:30.000 And the evolution of mixed martial arts is divine and one of the most exciting things that's ever happened to me in my lifetime.

02:34:40.000 Talk about lucky to be born at a certain time and place.

02:34:44.000 Yeah.

02:34:45.000 Yeah.

02:34:46.000 It's exquisite.

02:34:48.000 And the funny thing is, fighting outside of a ring or a cage or a mat, it crushes my heart.

02:34:56.000 Like, violence in real life kills me.

02:35:00.000 Like, pain.

02:35:03.000 Put it in, you know, like, dedicate your life to the art, and it becomes a chess match.

02:35:09.000 Yeah.

02:35:10.000 All day, every day.

02:35:11.000 Yeah.

02:35:12.000 I'm a super fan.

02:35:13.000 I agree.

02:35:14.000 I'm not really a big fan of fistfights.

02:35:16.000 No.

02:35:17.000 Fistfights in this tree, I'm like, God, don't do that.

02:35:19.000 Don't do that.

02:35:20.000 Yeah, it's just like there's nothing in there for you.

02:35:22.000 Don't do it.

02:35:23.000 And it's like just bravado and nonsense.

02:35:27.000 But what I call fighting, I call it high-level problem-solving with dire physical consequences.

02:35:34.000 And that's really what it is.

02:35:36.000 To me, it's just like this ultimately exciting endeavor.

02:35:40.000 And I love it when someone like you appreciates it.

02:35:43.000 It was very exciting for me to see you there, because I was a giant fan of Chili Peppers, and to see that you actually appreciate it.

02:35:52.000 You weren't just a guy there for a scene.

02:35:55.000 Because there's a lot of people that go there, they're just there for an event.

02:35:58.000 Which is great, fine.

02:35:59.000 It's a great event, you know?

02:36:01.000 It's wild to see.

02:36:02.000 But you actually were asking questions, and you were really into it, you know?

02:36:07.000 Still am.

02:36:08.000 Yeah.

02:36:08.000 It does not fade.

02:36:10.000 No.

02:36:11.000 I watched Alexa point out her victory.

02:36:14.000 Mm-hmm.

02:36:15.000 Two nights ago, last night?

02:36:16.000 Yeah.

02:36:16.000 Yeah, Alexa Grosso.

02:36:17.000 She's a beast. 1.00

02:36:18.000 Yeah, she's a beast. 1.00

02:36:21.000 She gets better with every fight.

02:36:23.000 Yeah.

02:36:23.000 I don't know that she's ready for Sharchenko.

02:36:25.000 I don't know if anybody is. 1.00

02:36:26.000 That lady's a goddamn assassin. 1.00

02:36:28.000 No, we're not ready for that. 1.00

02:36:29.000 Woo! 0.99

02:36:30.000 Yeah.

02:36:30.000 She's wild.

02:36:31.000 But I love Alexa's trajectory.

02:36:33.000 Yeah.

02:36:33.000 No, it's an exciting, exciting time, man.

02:36:36.000 It's amazing what the sport has become from when I first watched it in 93 or 94, I think it was the first event that I saw.

02:36:46.000 I've been working for them now for...

02:36:48.000 I've been working as a commentator for 20 years.

02:36:53.000 And before that, for two years, I was a post-fight interviewer in the late 90s, rather.

02:37:01.000 97. Amazing.

02:37:03.000 I saw that first UFC event.

02:37:06.000 Compliments of Guy Osiri, who had a cable box, and he called me up on a landline and said, there's a no-holds-barred fighting competition of one art form against another, and it happens in 30 minutes.

02:37:22.000 Get over to my house.

02:37:23.000 Wow.

02:37:23.000 And we sat on the couch and watched that, and I was like, that's interesting.

02:37:28.000 1993. Yeah, this is interesting.

02:37:30.000 Shout out to Horian Gracie and Hoist Gracie. 1.00

02:37:32.000 Because back then it was like one against another, like karate versus jiu-jitsu.

02:37:37.000 Right.

02:37:38.000 Yeah.

02:37:38.000 You know, shoot-o-boxing versus...

02:37:41.000 A bouncer, whatever.

02:37:44.000 Obviously, it's come a long way.

02:37:46.000 Well, there's not really a sport that's evolved that much since 1993 to 2022 where it's unrecognizable, the difference between the sport then and the sport now.

02:37:59.000 It's unrecognizable.

02:38:00.000 It's so much different.

02:38:03.000 There's never been a thing like that where you get the chance to see a complete evolution of combat sports.

02:38:12.000 Martial arts have evolved more since 1993 than they have in the last 10,000 years.

02:38:17.000 And that is 100% undeniable fact.

02:38:22.000 Pretty exciting.

02:38:23.000 It's very exciting.

02:38:24.000 Yeah.

02:38:25.000 It's very exciting.

02:38:26.000 I get excited when I run into somebody on the street who watched the fights the night before.

02:38:31.000 Because I'll sit there for 30 minutes and go over it.

02:38:36.000 To this day, I'm excited about it.

02:38:38.000 To this day, me and Dana White, sometimes I'll call him at like 1 o'clock in the morning.

02:38:43.000 And he and I will have...

02:38:45.000 Two-hour conversation about fights.

02:38:48.000 Just two hours.

02:38:49.000 That's fun.

02:38:50.000 We should be so jaded.

02:38:52.000 We've both been involved for so long.

02:38:54.000 It's the opposite.

02:38:56.000 It's amazing.

02:38:57.000 I love it.

02:38:58.000 I love what you do for the sport.

02:39:02.000 Nobody does it better.

02:39:03.000 Thank you.

02:39:04.000 And I love what Dana does for the sport.

02:39:06.000 He's the best.

02:39:07.000 Nobody does it better.

02:39:08.000 He's the best.

02:39:09.000 He's the best front man that any sport's ever had.

02:39:11.000 I think so.

02:39:11.000 And he takes so much grief and gets so much hate.

02:39:15.000 And he's done things that I am not down with.

02:39:19.000 I hate politics and sports.

02:39:21.000 I'd rather keep them separate like church and state.

02:39:24.000 But I don't care.

02:39:25.000 He has given the world joy and he's given opportunities and jobs for so many athletes.

02:39:34.000 People ignore the fact that he has given tens of thousands of people a dream and houses and Food on the table.

02:39:44.000 It's endless.

02:39:45.000 I look at all these fighters, you know, fighter pay is an issue.

02:39:48.000 Yeah, I want fighters to get paid. 0.93

02:39:51.000 I know thousands that live in houses that would not normally be able to do that because Dana works his ass off and he loves it and he cares and he's relentless and he put in the years.

02:40:04.000 So, so many props to him for bringing those dreams to life and I feel like I have to Balance out some of the hate he gets.

02:40:15.000 Yeah, well, he's gonna get hate no matter what you do.

02:40:17.000 You're a person in a position like he's in, a position of prominence.

02:40:22.000 And, you know, whether or not the criticism is valid, what is valid is the praise.

02:40:27.000 When I introduce him, when I do the weigh-ins, I always say, without him, none of this would be possible.

02:40:33.000 Because it's true.

02:40:34.000 I know what that guy's done.

02:40:36.000 I know the work that he's put in.

02:40:37.000 I know how hard he's worked. 0.99

02:40:39.000 And also, he's a guy who doesn't bow down to bullshit. 0.99

02:40:43.000 He doesn't back off. 0.99

02:40:45.000 And he kept that sport alive during the pandemic. 0.98

02:40:49.000 When everybody was saying, you're crazy. 1.00

02:40:51.000 You're going to kill people. 1.00

02:40:52.000 We're all going to die. 1.00

02:40:54.000 He was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

02:40:56.000 We're going to test everybody. 1.00

02:40:57.000 And we're going to put on fucking safe shows. 0.99

02:40:59.000 We're going to create a COVID bubble. 0.99

02:41:01.000 We're going to make sure everybody's safe.

02:41:03.000 And he did it.

02:41:04.000 And he did it, and then everybody else followed suit.

02:41:07.000 Yes, we got the Apex Center.

02:41:08.000 Well, the Apex Center was actually already in construction.

02:41:10.000 In construction, but we got fight nights.

02:41:13.000 Fight nights. 0.96

02:41:13.000 We got to see some world championship fights at the Apex Center, which were fucking incredible. 0.96

02:41:18.000 Stipe Miocic versus Francis Ngannou.

02:41:20.000 Ngannou won the world title at the Apex Center.

02:41:23.000 Tough night for Stipe.

02:41:24.000 Oh, my God.

02:41:25.000 I don't think the hair helped his cause.

02:41:28.000 He came out there with the fluffy hairdo.

02:41:30.000 I was like, no!

02:41:32.000 I don't think that had anything to do with it.

02:41:34.000 I think it was Francis that developed skills to match with his power, and he also developed patience.

02:41:42.000 Yeah.

02:41:42.000 No, no, no.

02:41:44.000 The hair threw me off.

02:41:46.000 I was like, you're facing Francis...

02:41:48.000 Coming with a buzz cut.

02:41:50.000 Well, he beat him the first time, you know, and he was the first guy to beat him.

02:41:55.000 Cardio wrestling?

02:41:56.000 Cardio wrestling and his chin.

02:41:59.000 And I think, you know, he took some tremendous shots in that fight.

02:42:03.000 And I think that fight...

02:42:04.000 Sometimes you win a fight, but you take an amount of punishment that will change who you are.

02:42:14.000 Yeah.

02:42:14.000 It'll show up in the next fight.

02:42:16.000 Yeah.

02:42:16.000 It'll change who you are for the future.

02:42:18.000 And you don't get through a five-round fight with Francis Ngannou without taking some tremendous shots.

02:42:26.000 They're talking about him fighting Jon Jones now, which would be very interesting.

02:42:30.000 Yeah, if the Stipe fight falls through with Jon.

02:42:35.000 Yeah, well, that's what I was saying.

02:42:36.000 Jon Jones and Stipe.

02:42:37.000 Oh, yes, yes.

02:42:39.000 Great fight.

02:42:40.000 Competitive fight.

02:42:41.000 Well, it's going to be interesting because we haven't seen Jon in a long time and now Jon is huge.

02:42:47.000 He is?

02:42:48.000 Power lifter? 0.99

02:42:49.000 Yeah, he's fucking put on a lot of muscle. 0.99

02:42:51.000 He's done it smart. 0.98

02:42:53.000 Taking his time, you know, and I mean, he's got probably one of the highest fight IQs the sport's ever seen.

02:42:59.000 He does?

02:43:00.000 So I'm excited to see that.

02:43:01.000 If he was fighting Francis, I'd be a little more concerned, but I feel like Stipe's older, and that to me seems like a competitive fight.

02:43:10.000 Well, I have a feeling it'll be one or the other.

02:43:13.000 I don't know when it's going to go down, you know?

02:43:15.000 I don't know when that fight is going to happen.

02:43:17.000 I don't know when John's going to make his heavyweight debut, but I'm very interested.

02:43:20.000 I'm very interested.

02:43:23.000 Whether I'm there for that fight or not, I am watching.

02:43:25.000 Of course.

02:43:26.000 Of course.

02:43:26.000 Look at this.

02:43:27.000 Jon Jones still hopeful to make heavyweight debut at UFC 282. What is 282?

02:43:32.000 Is that December?

02:43:33.000 Yes.

02:43:33.000 December 10th.

02:43:35.000 So I think the headliner in that is Glover Deshera's rematch with Yuri Prochovska.

02:43:40.000 Is that it?

02:43:41.000 Yeah.

02:43:41.000 That'll be a good one.

02:43:43.000 You gonna be there?

02:43:44.000 You on tour still?

02:43:45.000 I'm off tour and I'm moving to the Hawaiian Islands for November, December.

02:43:51.000 Are you really?

02:43:51.000 Yeah.

02:43:52.000 I need to go be on a mountain as an island.

02:43:55.000 I get it.

02:43:56.000 I have to unplug for a minute and just get in the ocean.

02:43:59.000 Which island?

02:44:00.000 I never met a Hawaiian island I didn't like.

02:44:04.000 But I will be on Kauai.

02:44:06.000 Kauai is supposed to be amazing.

02:44:07.000 It's alright.

02:44:08.000 It's good.

02:44:09.000 It's where Laird and Gabby live.

02:44:11.000 That's right.

02:44:12.000 Shout out to them.

02:44:13.000 They're my neighbors.

02:44:15.000 They've always been very good to me.

02:44:16.000 They're great people.

02:44:18.000 I love them both.

02:44:19.000 They're amazing people.

02:44:20.000 Yeah, they really are.

02:44:21.000 They're stunners.

02:44:23.000 Yeah.

02:44:23.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:44:26.000 So, sadly, if I was anywhere in the mainland, I would be at a bunch of these fights.

02:44:32.000 Yeah.

02:44:33.000 But I have to go.

02:44:34.000 I get it.

02:44:35.000 Yeah, I miss being at the fights so much.

02:44:39.000 I got to see one live here in Austin for the first time in 20 years as a spectator. 0.96

02:44:44.000 It was fucking amazing. 0.85

02:44:46.000 And then I got to see one recently at the Apex Center. 0.98

02:44:50.000 Me and Tony Hinchcliffe and my friend Radio Raheem, we did a triple header combat sports.

02:44:58.000 The Triple Crown of combat sports.

02:45:00.000 We went to the Abu Dhabi World Jiu-Jitsu Championships.

02:45:03.000 Then we went to the UFC at the Apex Center.

02:45:07.000 Then we went to see Canelo Alvarez versus Triple G. Amazing.

02:45:10.000 It was amazing.

02:45:11.000 What a day.

02:45:11.000 What a day!

02:45:12.000 Who is competing at the Abu Dhabis?

02:45:15.000 Well, it was Gordon Ryan.

02:45:17.000 The champ.

02:45:19.000 Yeah, and he dominated again.

02:45:21.000 He's the best ever. 0.90

02:45:22.000 What the hell?

02:45:23.000 He's the best ever. 1.00

02:45:24.000 He's fucking so dedicated, so smart, so driven, so dedicated, and he's only 27. He's only 27? 0.99

02:45:32.000 Yeah.

02:45:32.000 He looks older.

02:45:33.000 Well, you know, he's fucking training seven days a week. 0.99

02:45:38.000 He's good. 1.00

02:45:39.000 Guy's an animal.

02:45:39.000 I love watching him.

02:45:41.000 Yeah, no, he's incredible.

02:45:42.000 I love watching him fight other super animals.

02:45:45.000 And destroy them. 0.98

02:45:46.000 And destroy them. 1.00

02:45:46.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:45:47.000 He's taking the best of the best and he makes it look easy.

02:45:51.000 It's very strange.

02:45:52.000 It's very strange how good he is.

02:45:54.000 But it's also his coach, John Donaher, who is a legitimate wizard.

02:46:00.000 I mean, he's a guy who was a professor of philosophy at Columbia University and then fell in love with jiu-jitsu and became the greatest coach of all time.

02:46:07.000 That's the calligraphy thing.

02:46:08.000 Yes.

02:46:09.000 That you were talking about.

02:46:10.000 Yep, yep, yep.

02:46:11.000 It's also this no bullshit, no frills, no excuses, no nonsense, just pure analysis of what it is, of what the sport is.

02:46:27.000 And because of that, they're ahead of everybody by leaps and bounds, by years.

02:46:30.000 Yeah.

02:46:31.000 Yeah, I'll check him out on YouTube all day.

02:46:35.000 Well, they have some matches here, too.

02:46:36.000 You know, it's really interesting.

02:46:38.000 There's going to be one in California.

02:46:40.000 I think he's competing in California.

02:46:44.000 Hmm.

02:46:46.000 I want to say it's like...

02:46:47.000 Sometime in the winter, he's got a big match.

02:46:51.000 I want to say it's February.

02:46:52.000 There's a big match in California that I might fly in to check out.

02:46:57.000 If I'm back from Down Under, I will check that out.

02:47:00.000 Alright, well, stay in touch.

02:47:03.000 Next week is pretty exciting.

02:47:06.000 For the MMA world.

02:47:08.000 Very exciting.

02:47:08.000 Yeah.

02:47:09.000 Very exciting.

02:47:10.000 Yeah.

02:47:11.000 Unfortunately, I'm not going to be there.

02:47:14.000 I'm going to be in London.

02:47:16.000 I'm doing the O2 Arena on that Saturday night that Olivera fights Makachev.

02:47:23.000 So I can't.

02:47:24.000 I'm going to miss it.

02:47:25.000 I'm going to see maybe if I'm hoping...

02:47:28.000 You're halfway there.

02:47:28.000 When I get off stage, I'll be able to either watch it.

02:47:32.000 I don't know how it lines up time-wise with London time.

02:47:36.000 I'll either be able to watch it before or after I get off stage.

02:47:39.000 I think it's prelim start at 7 a.m.

02:47:43.000 in California.

02:47:44.000 Oh, they're doing it that way.

02:47:46.000 Yeah.

02:47:46.000 Oh, so they're doing it on Abu Dhabi time.

02:47:49.000 That's interesting.

02:47:51.000 You have a gig in London.

02:47:53.000 Yeah, I have a gig in London.

02:47:56.000 Okay.

02:47:57.000 Yeah.

02:47:58.000 Where's that?

02:47:58.000 That's at the O2. The O2? Yeah.

02:48:01.000 Hot dog.

02:48:01.000 Yeah, it should be fun.

02:48:02.000 I've played there.

02:48:03.000 Yeah, it's great.

02:48:04.000 It's fun.

02:48:05.000 I've been there for UFC. I've never done the stand-up there.

02:48:07.000 So that's Saturday night, so one way or another, I will watch the fight.

02:48:13.000 Hopefully, if it's taking place while I'm on stage, I can be like, blah, blah, blah, not listening. 0.88

02:48:19.000 And then I get back to my room, and I don't even know how the fuck to watch it.

02:48:22.000 I might have to get, like, do it through a VPN, you know, and pretend I'm somewhere else, and then get online through ESPN +, because I tried it when I was in Italy.

02:48:32.000 It's hard.

02:48:33.000 Yeah, I tried watching ESPN +, in Italy, and they're like, it's not available in your country. 1.00

02:48:38.000 I'm like, fuck off! 1.00

02:48:39.000 Panic. 1.00

02:48:39.000 Yeah, what is this shit? 1.00

02:48:41.000 So I tour and I have that all the time. 1.00

02:48:43.000 What happened?

02:48:43.000 What do you do?

02:48:44.000 I text the UFC and say, please help me.

02:48:49.000 I'm in Austria and I can't get the fights.

02:48:52.000 And they hook you up.

02:48:52.000 Yes.

02:48:53.000 Damn it. 1.00

02:48:54.000 How do I not know that? 1.00

02:48:55.000 Yeah.

02:48:56.000 It's desperation, desperation.

02:48:58.000 Oh, I hate that when they're like, yeah, we don't recognize your account here. 1.00

02:49:02.000 Yeah, fucking bullshit. 1.00

02:49:03.000 Why can't you get ESPN Plus in Italy? 1.00

02:49:05.000 That's stupid. 1.00

02:49:06.000 Regional. 1.00

02:49:07.000 Get it together, bitches. 1.00

02:49:08.000 Yep. 1.00

02:49:09.000 Yep.

02:49:10.000 Yeah, the hard part is also not finding out the results.

02:49:13.000 Right.

02:49:13.000 Yeah, you gotta plug your ears.

02:49:15.000 I'll get in the car.

02:49:15.000 Did you watch that?

02:49:16.000 No!

02:49:17.000 Don't talk!

02:49:18.000 Flea is the great spoiler of all time.

02:49:21.000 Oh my god.

02:49:22.000 I was like, I paused my computer.

02:49:25.000 I was gonna watch that when I got to the next hotel.

02:49:27.000 It's like checking your Christmas presents, though.

02:49:30.000 You can't help yourself.

02:49:31.000 Like, you almost want to see the results anyway.

02:49:34.000 You do. 0.99

02:49:34.000 Like, ah, just fucking tell me the results. 0.99

02:49:36.000 You do. 0.99

02:49:36.000 You know, you just almost go online and then enjoy the fight with the knowledge of what actually happened. 0.99

02:49:41.000 I can do that.

02:49:42.000 I can do that.

02:49:43.000 I'll still enjoy it.

02:49:44.000 I've watched them multiple times.

02:49:45.000 Like, I watched Leon Edwards versus Kamaru Usman.

02:49:48.000 I've watched that like three or four times.

02:49:50.000 I know what happened.

02:49:50.000 I'll still watch it.

02:49:51.000 Yep.

02:49:52.000 And by the way, it's still exciting.

02:49:55.000 That moment. 0.99

02:49:56.000 That moment when there's a minute to go and he lands that head kick and you're like, no fucking way. 0.96

02:50:02.000 It's one of those things where even though you know it happened, you still can't believe it when you watch it again. 0.98

02:50:07.000 You know who else can't believe it?

02:50:08.000 Kamaru.

02:50:10.000 Yeah.

02:50:11.000 Yeah, talk to him.

02:50:12.000 We did a podcast just a couple weeks later.

02:50:15.000 Yeah.

02:50:15.000 One of the things that he said was kind of a relief.

02:50:18.000 He did.

02:50:19.000 The crown is heavy!

02:50:21.000 The crown's heavy.

02:50:21.000 Heavy!

02:50:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:50:23.000 Put a kink in your neck. 1.00

02:50:24.000 It's a tough way to make a living. 0.54

02:50:26.000 It is.

02:50:27.000 Tough way to make a living.

02:50:28.000 But also, to Leon's credit, He never quit, especially after that speech between 4 and 5. But also he had the stamina to execute a powerful fast kick 24 minutes into a fight.

02:50:45.000 That's hard to do.

02:50:46.000 And land it perfect.

02:50:48.000 You might be tired.

02:50:49.000 Your muscles might be fatigued.

02:50:51.000 It was the perfect head kick. 0.86

02:50:53.000 It was the greatest come-from-behind head kick knockout in the history of the sport.

02:50:58.000 He set it up.

02:50:59.000 While it was happening, I couldn't believe it happened.

02:51:01.000 Like, while it happened, I was like, there's no way that just happened.

02:51:04.000 Because he was losing the fight, and Dean Thomas was just saying, he's broken, it seems like he's broken, and then whack!

02:51:10.000 Pretty good speech by his corner.

02:51:12.000 Oh my god.

02:51:12.000 And right after John Anik was saying, that is not his nature to quit.

02:51:18.000 Like John Anik was just saying, it is not Leon's nature to quit.

02:51:22.000 And then he lands that head kick.

02:51:23.000 Boom.

02:51:24.000 John's pretty on it.

02:51:25.000 He's the best.

02:51:26.000 John Anik is the best.

02:51:27.000 He's unbelievable.

02:51:28.000 He's the best play-by-play guy in the history of the sport.

02:51:32.000 I think he cares about his job.

02:51:33.000 He's the best.

02:51:34.000 He's the most informed.

02:51:35.000 He's the most in tune.

02:51:37.000 He's the smoothest. 1.00

02:51:38.000 He's a fucking master. 1.00

02:51:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:51:40.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:51:41.000 Mike Goldberg was excellent at it.

02:51:43.000 There's a lot of people who are excellent at it, but John Anik is on another level.

02:51:48.000 He's good.

02:51:48.000 He does his homework, too.

02:51:50.000 He very, very, very much does.

02:51:52.000 Yeah, and he's a great guy, too.

02:51:54.000 I love him to death.

02:51:55.000 And he was correct. 1.00

02:51:56.000 Yeah, he was fucking, it's like prescient. 0.99

02:51:59.000 Like, he nailed it. 0.99

02:52:00.000 He said it.

02:52:02.000 Listen, I love you.

02:52:03.000 It's always good to see you.

02:52:04.000 I appreciate you coming in here.

02:52:06.000 Thank you.

02:52:06.000 I love you too.

02:52:07.000 And you know what Albert Einstein said to his daughter at the end of his life?

02:52:12.000 My only regret is that I didn't express my love more deeply while I was still around with you.

02:52:17.000 Oh, that's heavy.

02:52:19.000 He said it was the most powerful force in the universe.

02:52:21.000 More powerful than anything else.

02:52:25.000 Love.

02:52:26.000 Well, it definitely is for people.

02:52:28.000 Yeah.

02:52:29.000 Yeah, that's who we are. 0.99

02:52:30.000 I don't think black holes give a fuck about your love, but I could be wrong. 0.99

02:52:34.000 No, but our love could help us figure out a way to coexist with the black hole. 0.99

02:52:39.000 Yes.

02:52:40.000 Yeah, or survive long enough and not kill each other to the point where someone can figure out how to coexist.

02:52:46.000 I'm not getting into Octagon with a black hole.

02:52:48.000 No.

02:52:48.000 Doesn't seem like a wise choice.

02:52:50.000 No, no, no.

02:52:50.000 I love you and thank you for having me.

02:52:52.000 It was great talking to you.

02:52:53.000 It was fun.

02:52:53.000 Until we meet again.

02:52:54.000 Until we meet again.

02:52:55.000 And I'm going to check out The Five Rings.

02:52:56.000 Sounds good.

02:52:57.000 Yeah.

02:52:58.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 19, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1884 - Anthony Kiedis

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