The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1898 - Neal Brennan

00:00:12.000 That's not that's not physical it's like can you handle being in a Incredibly abstract place, and your brain doing shit it's never done before.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, that seems to be what happens if people can't handle it, is just the resistance of it.

00:00:30.000 Just like, no, no, no, and then that's the bad trip.

00:00:33.000 Yeah, they say, like, surrender, and I've had...

00:00:40.000 I've had, you know, journeys.

00:00:42.000 Joe, when you're in the medicine game, as long as I've been in it, you call it medicine.

00:00:47.000 Plant medicine.

00:00:48.000 Doesn't immediately red flags go up? 0.99

00:00:50.000 I want to punch myself in the face. 0.94

00:00:51.000 Oh my god, don't say plant medicine. 0.99

00:00:53.000 Can't not say it. 0.99

00:00:54.000 I'm wearing a fucking ayahuasca anklet as we speak, and I want to... 1.00

00:00:59.000 And I want to punch myself in the other side of the face. 1.00

00:01:02.000 There's so much jargon and lingo that goes with, like, psychedelic talk that leads to, like, cults. 0.98

00:01:09.000 Yeah!

00:01:10.000 It's not different at all.

00:01:12.000 Did you watch the Orgasm, Inc.

00:01:16.000 documentary on Netflix yet?

00:01:18.000 No!

00:01:18.000 It's about that one-touch...

00:01:22.000 It's really funny.

00:01:23.000 I heard it's great.

00:01:24.000 It's great. 0.99

00:01:25.000 It's just, it all, the same shit happens, it doesn't matter where. 1.00

00:01:29.000 I did a joke one time that every cult, at some point, the leader of every religious cult says, hey, God spoke to me and he says, I gotta fuck all your wives. 1.00

00:01:44.000 Without fail. 1.00

00:01:45.000 Every single, across the board.

00:01:47.000 All of them.

00:01:48.000 Yep, sorry guys.

00:01:49.000 I got that call.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, send your wife in. 1.00

00:01:52.000 I'm gonna fuck her now. 1.00

00:01:53.000 God decided, now's the time. 1.00

00:01:54.000 This one was different because it's a female leader. 1.00

00:01:57.000 And it was based on orgasms, but this one was like, you gotta fuck him if you're having a hard time. 1.00

00:02:04.000 It was like the opposite of HR, where it was, you know, if you have a problem with him, you gotta fuck him. 1.00

00:02:12.000 There's a place here that was a cult. 1.00

00:02:16.000 And the building was for sale.

00:02:18.000 I almost bought the building.

00:02:19.000 I was like in negotiation.

00:02:20.000 Oh, that's where you were gonna have the club, right?

00:02:22.000 Yeah.

00:02:23.000 The documentary's called Holy Hell.

00:02:25.000 I still haven't watched it.

00:02:27.000 It's on my list.

00:02:30.000 It started out in Los Angeles, and this guy was, he would get his male disciples, and he would give them therapy, make them pay for therapy. 1.00

00:02:43.000 It's like 50 bucks, and then he would fuck them. 0.99

00:02:45.000 Another Hallmark, yeah. 1.00

00:02:46.000 So it's like pyramid scheme. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Yep, I gotta, hey, bad news, I gotta fuck you. 1.00

00:02:52.000 That's part of the deal. 1.00

00:02:53.000 I don't know what to say.

00:02:54.000 You want to be in it?

00:02:54.000 Real therapy.

00:02:55.000 Part of the group or not?

00:02:56.000 Yeah.

00:02:58.000 But it's just so sad, like, listening to these guys tell the story.

00:03:02.000 It's like, there's some weird thing about human beings where they...

00:03:07.000 They gravitate towards a big leader, towards someone who claims they have the answers and seems very confident and can speak reasonably well.

00:03:18.000 There's almost like a cheat code where people just like, they get locked into that.

00:03:23.000 It feels like order.

00:03:24.000 It just feels like order.

00:03:26.000 If you go, if somebody says, I know, and they're tall, first of all, if they're tall, that gets you like 60% of the way there.

00:03:36.000 That helps.

00:03:37.000 If they're tall and says, I know what we should do.

00:03:40.000 Charismatic, good looking, fit, attractive to women. 0.66

00:03:46.000 It just makes you feel like a daddy's here.

00:03:50.000 Some daddy's here.

00:03:52.000 A different daddy.

00:03:53.000 It's like, oh, alright, that's what people like about Trump.

00:03:56.000 That's what people like about Obama.

00:03:58.000 Most presidents are some form of that.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 Reagan.

00:04:03.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 Certainly two termers.

00:04:06.000 George W. Bush in a weird way.

00:04:10.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:04:11.000 George W. Bush, guy walked like he had a fucking two foot cock. 1.00

00:04:20.000 Guy walked like he had to leave room for two dicks. 1.00

00:04:24.000 That's how wide his gait was. 0.99

00:04:26.000 And he said he used to practice it.

00:04:28.000 He practiced his skate?

00:04:29.000 George W. Bush used to practice his skate.

00:04:31.000 Really?

00:04:31.000 You look it up, yeah.

00:04:32.000 He'd be talking about it in interviews.

00:04:36.000 Can you imagine walking around your house practicing your impressive walk?

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:40.000 Well, can you imagine anyone more than him doing it?

00:04:44.000 It's like the exact guy that would do that.

00:04:46.000 Like, I'm gonna practice walk.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 Bush's renewed confidence.

00:04:53.000 This is 2005. Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.

00:05:00.000 That's how President Bush described himself during his acceptance speech at last year's Republican National Convention in New York City.

00:05:07.000 But for much of this year, the president seemed to have lost the...

00:05:10.000 I've seen other interviews where he talked about...

00:05:15.000 Talked about actually practicing his walk.

00:05:18.000 Well, they're originally from Maine.

00:05:20.000 You know, they're like kind of fake Texans. 1.00

00:05:22.000 Come on, Joe.

00:05:23.000 Yeah, they're from Kent Bunkport.

00:05:24.000 No, I know.

00:05:25.000 They're like, they couldn't be more blue blood.

00:05:27.000 Yeah.

00:05:29.000 George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA. Yeah.

00:05:32.000 Yeah.

00:05:33.000 Which is weird now.

00:05:34.000 I wonder if that would help him now, politically.

00:05:38.000 I was the head of the CIA. Didn't hurt him then.

00:05:43.000 Didn't hurt him, but only one term.

00:05:45.000 Yeah, but that was because of, what's his face?

00:05:49.000 Perot, yeah.

00:05:49.000 Yeah, Ross Perot.

00:05:51.000 I'll tell you what's going on. 0.99

00:05:53.000 That guy, he fucking threw the whole thing. 0.99

00:05:57.000 Out the window. 0.99

00:05:58.000 When he bought television time, like primetime television time, he was like, I'll just buy it at home an hour and gave the networks money so that he could run his speech and talk about how you're getting fucked by the IRS. People at home were like, 0.85

00:06:13.000 what the fuck? 0.99

00:06:13.000 It literally was like one of the very first internet speeches. 0.99

00:06:17.000 Absolutely.

00:06:17.000 He made himself go viral and he appealed to people that were not There's like a whole part of the country that's not spoken to by, I mean,

00:06:33.000 mass media.

00:06:34.000 You can call it liberal media.

00:06:36.000 I don't even think, I think there's like a level that they just, people just don't want to talk to them.

00:06:42.000 It's like people that aren't especially rich or sophisticated or any of the stuff that people think is great and they want to, that advertisers want to appeal to.

00:06:52.000 They just, and then Ross Prove's like, look here!

00:06:55.000 Yeah.

00:06:56.000 And it's like a beacon for people.

00:06:58.000 It's like a siren.

00:06:59.000 People are like, what?

00:06:59.000 What's that?

00:07:00.000 This guy.

00:07:01.000 And that, by the way, a billionaire.

00:07:03.000 And it's not about...

00:07:05.000 People think it's about...

00:07:07.000 He didn't seem like a billionaire.

00:07:09.000 That's Trump's appeal, too.

00:07:12.000 He doesn't seem like a rich guy.

00:07:15.000 Seems like a regular guy.

00:07:16.000 That's funny.

00:07:17.000 Dr. Oz lost.

00:07:20.000 How?

00:07:21.000 Because he seemed like a liberal.

00:07:27.000 Fetterman seemed like a conservative.

00:07:30.000 Because I think so much of it is just looks.

00:07:34.000 You can speak to this yourself.

00:07:35.000 People are against you because you're fit. 1.00

00:07:39.000 There are people that are like fucking meathead. 1.00

00:07:42.000 I'm like, he's not a meathead. 1.00

00:07:43.000 Fucking yeah, he is. 0.99

00:07:45.000 It's because you look, you just are, people wouldn't believe that you and I are friends. 0.99

00:07:49.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

00:07:51.000 It's like when a turtle hangs out with a fucking python. 1.00

00:07:58.000 The turtles are riding the top of a python. 0.99

00:08:00.000 People go like, how are they?

00:08:01.000 It's like we're unexpected animal friends.

00:08:06.000 So I just think it's so much of it is looks.

00:08:09.000 So much.

00:08:10.000 A lot of it is, right?

00:08:12.000 Way more than people would admit.

00:08:13.000 Anybody that saw the Fetterman debate would go, oh, this guy needs help.

00:08:16.000 Couldn't watch.

00:08:16.000 I literally couldn't watch it.

00:08:18.000 I knew, like, that's going to...

00:08:20.000 It feels cruel or something.

00:08:22.000 Yeah, it is cruel.

00:08:23.000 It's cruel to put a guy in a position like that who's recovering from a stroke.

00:08:26.000 You're not supposed to be into that kind of stress.

00:08:29.000 Want coffee?

00:08:29.000 Drink coffee?

00:08:30.000 I do. 1.00

00:08:31.000 I need too much shit. 1.00

00:08:33.000 You put a lot of stuff in it? 1.00

00:08:34.000 I put all kinds of garbage.

00:08:35.000 I got the app.

00:08:39.000 The app.

00:08:40.000 Menti soy misto.

00:08:41.000 I love an app.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, I get there, pick it up.

00:08:45.000 By the way, if you were homeless, would you ever, wouldn't you just go grab food off the shelf at any of these Chipotle?

00:08:52.000 Yeah.

00:08:53.000 Immediately?

00:08:53.000 I would just go right to Starbucks.

00:08:54.000 Yep.

00:08:55.000 You're allowed to go in there.

00:08:56.000 Yep.

00:08:57.000 And they go, who's you?

00:08:58.000 For Josh.

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:00.000 There's probably a Josh on the shelf.

00:09:01.000 Just walk in, grab it, walk out.

00:09:03.000 Grab it, go over to Spotlight, get your lunch.

00:09:05.000 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 Go to the park.

00:09:07.000 I mean, it must happen constantly.

00:09:09.000 But they're shutting Starbucks left and right because they're just inundated with homeless people.

00:09:13.000 Uh-huh.

00:09:15.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:09:15.000 It's like when they kicked those black guys out in Philadelphia, you remember? 0.94

00:09:19.000 Yeah. 0.65

00:09:20.000 And then they decided not kicking anybody out of Starbucks ever.

00:09:24.000 Even if you're not a paid customer, it's okay.

00:09:28.000 And then the homeless people went, great!

00:09:30.000 Yep.

00:09:30.000 Say no more.

00:09:31.000 We'll be right there.

00:09:32.000 Isn't it wild, that one decision? 1.00

00:09:34.000 How much did that one decision that that one manager make cost Starbucks by changing their policy and allowing homeless people to just linger around and smell like shit? 1.00

00:09:46.000 Did they officially change their policy? 0.99

00:09:48.000 Yeah, they officially changed it.

00:09:50.000 Yeah, that's what they call an overcorrection.

00:09:52.000 A giant one, yeah.

00:09:54.000 I read a thing last night that there's, it's like similar but different, where there's so many people quit working at hospitals that there's now incredibly long waits at hospitals,

00:10:10.000 like now, and COVID's like low.

00:10:14.000 Well, they fired so many of them because they wouldn't get vaccinated.

00:10:17.000 The thing I read said that 300,000 people quit in 2020 and 2021. Well, I'm sure there's that, too.

00:10:27.000 I'm sure there's quitting, too.

00:10:28.000 But a lot of them just, they had the option, get vaccinated or lose your job.

00:10:32.000 And they were like, we went through this when there was no vaccine. 1.00

00:10:36.000 We all got COVID, you fucks. 0.99

00:10:39.000 We risked our lives. 1.00

00:10:40.000 We're in here every day.

00:10:41.000 And now you're going to make us get vaccinated when there's no science behind it?

00:10:45.000 We literally have antibodies that are seven times better than what you get from the vaccine.

00:10:49.000 And you're making people get vaccinated.

00:10:52.000 Just for what?

00:10:53.000 For a virtue signal?

00:10:55.000 So you can tell everybody that everyone's vaccinated?

00:10:58.000 Like, there's zero science behind that.

00:11:00.000 And they all, like, these were our heroes.

00:11:02.000 They were on the front lines, and then they fired them.

00:11:05.000 If you were the king of the earth, or let's say king of America, Which some would say you are.

00:11:12.000 If you're the king of America, how would you have handled COVID from February 2020?

00:11:20.000 Like, what would you have done?

00:11:21.000 Because I feel like we all have, like, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that.

00:11:25.000 I don't know what the better solution would have been. 0.87

00:11:30.000 Especially when you consider stuff like hospitals and quitting and deaths and triage, like, wherein at one point Wuhan was gonna, they built that hospital in a week, which America just can't do, shit like that. 0.52

00:11:42.000 To me it was always a hospital bed issue.

00:11:47.000 Well, in some ways.

00:11:49.000 The problem, it's a health issue, right?

00:11:53.000 And you're dealing with vast swaths of the population that have very fragile bodies.

00:11:59.000 Very fragile health.

00:12:01.000 People that are in bad health.

00:12:02.000 Naturally in bad health.

00:12:03.000 That's a lot of people.

00:12:04.000 I would say, what is it, 45% of Americans are obese?

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 Something like that.

00:12:10.000 Somewhere in the neighborhood.

00:12:12.000 And, you know, and that's just obesity.

00:12:15.000 Then you have these people that maybe they're not obese, but they have terrible blood pressure and they eat terrible food, their immune system's shot, you know.

00:12:25.000 Diabetes, yep. 1.00

00:12:25.000 There's a lot of fucked up people in this country. 1.00

00:12:27.000 And that was what was exposed by COVID. No matter what anybody did, it was going to be bad for those people. 1.00

00:12:33.000 There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

00:12:36.000 No matter what anybody did, that disease was going to wreck people with damaged immune systems.

00:12:41.000 And especially overweight people.

00:12:43.000 A plurality of people.

00:12:44.000 Almost half.

00:12:45.000 To say nothing of just old people. 0.98

00:12:47.000 Right.

00:12:48.000 I would argue there's more, let's go 60-40, unhealthy to healthy in America.

00:12:53.000 You could almost go 70-30.

00:12:54.000 Yeah, I think you could go...

00:12:56.000 I mean, you could go 80, 20, you know what I mean, depending on your definition.

00:12:59.000 You want to get really crazy.

00:12:59.000 Fit, then you're down to like 5%.

00:13:03.000 Yeah.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, which is nuts.

00:13:05.000 Like, it's not that hard to work out.

00:13:07.000 But the thing about COVID in that regard is that there's really no solution that made any sense.

00:13:16.000 When there was no vaccine and the medications were confusing, it was hard to know what was real and what wasn't, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, and what about monoclonal antibodies and all these different things.

00:13:27.000 And it was always never clear what did what.

00:13:29.000 Yeah.

00:13:30.000 It's very dangerous whenever you have a new disease because you do have people trying these off-label medications, and some of them work and some of them don't, and then you have a lot of pressure from the companies that are producing vaccines because they want a binary solution because that's where all the cash is.

00:13:45.000 And then you have the emergency use exemption, which the only way you get that emergency use exemption is if there is no treatment that's available that works.

00:13:55.000 So if you are the person that's in charge and you stand to make untold billions of dollars from the vaccine, which they did, they suppress any information.

00:14:07.000 I don't disagree with that.

00:14:08.000 I'm wondering, with that playing field, what does the king do?

00:14:13.000 You definitely don't shut the country down.

00:14:15.000 You definitely don't.

00:14:16.000 You give people the option.

00:14:17.000 Sometimes I think that, and then I look at 300,000 people quitting healthcare, and I'm like, that's an unforeseen consequence.

00:14:24.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:25.000 How about the restaurants?

00:14:26.000 How about the small businesses?

00:14:28.000 So much of the country...

00:14:30.000 Suicide.

00:14:30.000 Oh yeah, drug abuse and drug overdoses went through the roof.

00:14:35.000 And that's from shutdowns.

00:14:36.000 From shutdowns.

00:14:36.000 And then you go, well, what if we don't shut it down?

00:14:39.000 Then you get Florida.

00:14:41.000 Florida had deaths, but if you look at it, Florida, first of all, is very old.

00:14:47.000 A lot of old people. 1.00

00:14:48.000 And if you adjust by age, Florida did better than a lot of other states.

00:14:53.000 What they did was say, we're going to protect our elderly, protect our vulnerable, and everything stays open. 0.97

00:15:00.000 And everyone's like, you're crazy! 0.95

00:15:03.000 Everyone's going to die! 0.99

00:15:04.000 And it turns out, no.

00:15:05.000 Turns out they were right.

00:15:06.000 And the economy there didn't suffer.

00:15:09.000 In fact, real estate went through the roof.

00:15:11.000 I mean, that was everywhere.

00:15:13.000 Yeah.

00:15:13.000 Well, there in particular, because a lot of people moved there.

00:15:16.000 I mean, their economy did well.

00:15:18.000 You know, same thing with Texas. 0.82

00:15:20.000 They didn't shut down.

00:15:21.000 I mean, they shut down for a little bit.

00:15:23.000 And then they were like, you know, we're going to open up and we're going to be cautious and you should be careful of your own health.

00:15:28.000 And if you're a person who's vulnerable, take care of yourself.

00:15:30.000 Do whatever you want to do.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, I guess it's just the downstream effects of that.

00:15:36.000 You just can't shut the whole country down and expect that everything's going to be fine when you start it back up again.

00:15:43.000 Disastrous results.

00:15:44.000 And whenever the economy crashes like it did with that, you have all these other unforeseen side effects of that.

00:15:54.000 And, you know, a big one is people's mental health and anxiety and, like, how is that going to affect the rest of their life?

00:16:00.000 When someone works for 20, 30 years on a business and you have a business and it's up and running and it's getting by and you're making a profit and then all of a sudden the government comes along and says, you have to shut this business down.

00:16:12.000 And maybe you've already had COVID and maybe you were one of the lucky ones where it wasn't that big of a deal and you got over it and you're like, okay, I got antibodies now, I'm not worried.

00:16:22.000 And now the government tells you you can't work.

00:16:24.000 You cannot.

00:16:25.000 It's against the law.

00:16:26.000 If you do, you'll be arrested.

00:16:28.000 It's madness.

00:16:29.000 It's unprecedented.

00:16:30.000 Never happened before.

00:16:31.000 I agree.

00:16:31.000 I don't think it's...

00:16:32.000 Well, it hasn't happened probably since the flu.

00:16:36.000 That was the problem.

00:16:37.000 That was the problem, is with shutting things down and telling people what they can't do.

00:16:41.000 And also having this like...

00:16:43.000 Blanket solution for people whether they're 80 and fat or whether they're 20 and fit, which is nuts.

00:16:51.000 You can't treat all bodies like they're exactly the same thing.

00:16:56.000 That makes zero sense.

00:16:57.000 It's as a leader.

00:17:01.000 You kind of have to though, right?

00:17:03.000 You know what I mean?

00:17:04.000 It does have to be one size fits all, somewhat.

00:17:07.000 Yeah, but you don't have to impose restrictions.

00:17:11.000 You could tell people that these are the best suggestions in terms of what we should do to preserve health, but the reality of respiratory viruses is you cannot contain them.

00:17:23.000 They've never been contained.

00:17:24.000 No one has ever successfully contained a respiratory virus. 0.96

00:17:28.000 If people are allowed to walk, and they're allowed to talk, and they're allowed to eat, they're gonna fuckin' spread it. 0.97

00:17:34.000 No matter what draconian rules they put down in Australia or in China, it fuckin' spreads. 0.92

00:17:40.000 It burns through the people, and then, and a lot of... 0.86

00:17:44.000 Virologists and people that are experts in respiratory diseases were saying this at the very beginning of the pandemic.

00:17:52.000 They were saying, listen, this has got to burn through the population, and most people didn't want to accept that.

00:17:59.000 They were like, no, there's got to be a better way.

00:18:01.000 No, there's no better way.

00:18:02.000 When you have a virus that spreads through people breathing on each other, it just burns through people.

00:18:09.000 You know, if you have the option To be on a ranch, if you've got a ranch in Texas and you got all your food out there and water and you can just fucking stay by yourself for two years, yeah, you'll be okay.

00:18:23.000 That's kind of what Howard Stern did, right?

00:18:25.000 I don't even know what he did.

00:18:26.000 Went to the Hamptons and just stayed put.

00:18:28.000 Built a studio out there, did his show from out there.

00:18:32.000 There was a photo of him at a restaurant recently.

00:18:36.000 It was the first time he was out in two years.

00:18:39.000 Yeah, I just didn't, it was, I, I, not like I felt bad for the, I just don't know what, I don't know who did it well.

00:18:48.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:18:49.000 Like, I don't know what country did it well.

00:18:51.000 Whenever I go Sweden and then you, all these things when you do, when you start clicking links, you're like, ah, it seems inconclusive or contradictory or, it always struck me as just we don't have the infrastructure for that many sick people.

00:19:06.000 Yeah, there's that.

00:19:07.000 That's part of it.

00:19:09.000 There's also...

00:19:11.000 And the wear and tear of, like, you can't make a nurse that, like... 1.00

00:19:16.000 You're a nurse. 0.96

00:19:17.000 You can't just certify.

00:19:18.000 It's like being a pilot.

00:19:19.000 Like, you have... 0.97

00:19:20.000 It takes a fucking long time. 0.98

00:19:22.000 Right, right. 0.98

00:19:22.000 And that's what they're running up against now. 0.98

00:19:24.000 Like, big hot...

00:19:25.000 Like, one of them is, like, Mass General last week.

00:19:28.000 Like, a huge hospital in Massachusetts, in Boston.

00:19:32.000 Then there's people lined up in the hallway last week.

00:19:35.000 Because there's not enough nurses. 1.00

00:19:36.000 There was one story in the article I read that was, like...

00:19:40.000 They have 200 openings at a hospital and no applicants.

00:19:44.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:19:45.000 None.

00:19:46.000 No applicants.

00:19:47.000 Well, imagine if you're a person who's dedicated yourself to healthcare work, and then they come along and say, you have to get vaccinated or you're getting fired.

00:19:55.000 And you've just gone through the pandemic.

00:19:57.000 You caught COVID. Maybe you caught it twice.

00:20:00.000 I would also argue that there's that and then equal parts.

00:20:04.000 I would argue more like that was a hard time to be a nurse before the vaccine.

00:20:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:10.000 Spit on, screamed at, misinformation.

00:20:13.000 You're working for the...

00:20:15.000 It's like...

00:20:15.000 Well, just the amount of hours they had to work.

00:20:17.000 Yeah.

00:20:18.000 Yeah.

00:20:19.000 But again...

00:20:21.000 If you're fired because you're not willing to get vaccinated, why would you want to come back to that job if you could do something else? 0.99

00:20:27.000 If you could find another way to make a living, you'd be like, this is a thankless, shitty place to work and they ultimately don't give a fuck about you. 0.97

00:20:35.000 I have a friend who's a nurse and she was telling me how there's a weird coldness that some people in the medical profession get because they're just accustomed to people dying. 0.98

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:46.000 That it's a normal thing and then there's a coldness that sort of applies to firing people.

00:20:52.000 It applies to – like there's not – There's this thing where you're just accustomed to people dying.

00:20:59.000 I was talking to your guys about this before we started rolling.

00:21:04.000 I'm of the mind, and it's wildly uninformed, but it's kind of whatever.

00:21:09.000 Anyone who goes through heavy-duty combat is never the same.

00:21:14.000 I kind of am of the mind that the military wrecks people.

00:21:19.000 Well, it definitely does wreck people.

00:21:21.000 I like a lot of them.

00:21:23.000 Some people are fine afterwards.

00:21:26.000 Everyone is psychologically wired differently.

00:21:30.000 And some people can handle extreme stress.

00:21:33.000 And with some people, it's just a little bit of stress and you fall apart.

00:21:37.000 And I don't know if it's nature or nurture.

00:21:40.000 I don't know if that's genetics.

00:21:42.000 I mean, I think it varies widely.

00:21:43.000 Because I think some people are just innately good at pressure.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, and resilient.

00:21:49.000 Yeah, very resilient.

00:21:51.000 Where would you put yourself on that?

00:21:53.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:21:54.000 You don't know until you're out.

00:21:57.000 I would say life stresses.

00:21:58.000 Do you handle stress well?

00:22:00.000 I'm pretty good at stress, yeah.

00:22:02.000 Do you find when you're doing a broadcast and they go, we're going live, three, two, one, are you like, do you tighten up even a little bit or are you just aware?

00:22:13.000 I don't feel anything.

00:22:14.000 Like when I do the UFC, I feel zero.

00:22:17.000 It's just fine.

00:22:18.000 It's like I'm here right now.

00:22:19.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 The only thing that I'm excited because it's cool and I want to do a good job.

00:22:23.000 You're wearing an IFB and they go, Jay, we need to da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

00:22:26.000 And you just go like, okay.

00:22:27.000 Hey, man, so what are you... 1.00

00:22:28.000 Yeah, there's never a like, oh shit, oh shit. 0.98

00:22:32.000 But also, I've been doing it since 1997. Yeah. 0.99

00:22:36.000 Right?

00:22:37.000 So I've been working for the UFC since the 90s.

00:22:39.000 So it's like, it's so normal to me.

00:22:41.000 Now, if I just had to do it for the first time...

00:22:43.000 I was talking to a friend of mine last night, and we were talking about doing the O2 Arena.

00:22:49.000 We did this arena in London, and he came to see me there, and he was like, what was it like performing in front of so many people?

00:22:56.000 It must be insane.

00:22:57.000 I go...

00:22:59.000 You get used to performing in front of lots of people, and then it's normal.

00:23:03.000 But if it was the first time I ever went on stage, and I had to go on stage in front of all those people, I'd probably shit my pants.

00:23:08.000 I wouldn't know what to do, because it's a totally unique experience.

00:23:12.000 But if it's not unique, if it's like you're—I've done a bunch of— Yeah, well, you just—you're—it's like altitude training.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, like anything else.

00:23:22.000 But I think it's just reps.

00:23:24.000 Putting in the reps.

00:23:25.000 When I used to fight, one of the things that I found was if I fought a lot, I wouldn't get real nervous.

00:23:33.000 I'd get excited, but I'd feel real confident.

00:23:35.000 But if I had an injury and I had to take six months off and then I had a fight...

00:23:40.000 You're like, ooh, I haven't had that experience in a while.

00:23:42.000 It's like the familiarity of that experience is very important.

00:23:46.000 You have to be on it all the time.

00:23:48.000 Filming your special, could you imagine taking six months off and then just filming a special? 1.00

00:23:53.000 No matter how much you knew the material, you'd be like, fuck. 0.99

00:23:57.000 Even though you clearly know how to do stand-up. 1.00

00:23:59.000 You've been doing stand-up a long fucking time. 1.00

00:24:01.000 You've been killing a long time. 1.00

00:24:03.000 You know you know how to do it. 0.97

00:24:05.000 You know how to talk.

00:24:06.000 It's not even a special skill that you have to be physically prepared for.

00:24:10.000 It's not like you have to be in shape to play football.

00:24:13.000 It's not anything like that.

00:24:14.000 It's just talking.

00:24:15.000 There is a weird shape, though.

00:24:16.000 There is a weird...

00:24:18.000 Conditioning.

00:24:19.000 A mental condition.

00:24:20.000 It's like...

00:24:21.000 I used to say it's like being a lion tamer, where like...

00:24:25.000 If you're not in the cage with lions every day, after about three or four days the lions can tell.

00:24:33.000 They probably can.

00:24:34.000 I really believe they can.

00:24:36.000 I bet they can.

00:24:36.000 It's like those animal trainers, you see that lady that just goes like, sss, to the peacock?

00:24:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Fucking, that's how you kind of have to be with the crowd, like, sss, sir? 0.99

00:24:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:24:44.000 And they can tell in your essence. 0.99

00:24:48.000 Yeah.

00:24:49.000 But it's also, you know how to be loose and relaxed.

00:24:55.000 Like, how much time did you take off during COVID? What was the most time you took off?

00:25:01.000 Probably with no stand-up, probably four or five months.

00:25:04.000 What was it like the first time back on stage?

00:25:07.000 It was kind of gleeful.

00:25:10.000 The first good show was like, okay.

00:25:15.000 But the first back room was really fun.

00:25:21.000 What did you do?

00:25:22.000 What was it?

00:25:23.000 It was on La Cienega, I think.

00:25:25.000 I don't remember the exact show, but it was on La Cienega.

00:25:27.000 Mark, I always forget his last name, Irish guy Mark.

00:25:32.000 Looks like homeless D'Elia.

00:25:35.000 And it was just some outdoors, like me.

00:25:40.000 I think Jim Jeffries did it, Ian Edwards.

00:25:42.000 And it was just fun.

00:25:44.000 Because we all talked about, like, I don't need to do it that much.

00:25:47.000 And then you do it, and you're like... 0.99

00:25:48.000 This is fucking fun. 0.97

00:25:50.000 Yeah, so it was outside? 0.99

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:51.000 Yeah, it was outside.

00:25:53.000 So it's like, that's a little weird.

00:25:55.000 Outdoor shows are already a little weird.

00:25:57.000 How much time did it take before you did an indoor show after that?

00:26:01.000 I don't remember.

00:26:05.000 What's your arc with this?

00:26:07.000 I went several months, March, April, May, June, July, probably five months, four or five months, and we did one weekend at the Houston Improv, but then I got really high, and I thought, oh my god, what if I get COVID and give it to everybody and a bunch of people die? 0.99

00:26:24.000 Like, fuck. 0.99

00:26:25.000 So I stopped doing comedy. 1.00

00:26:26.000 Because I was like, okay, I'm just going to go to places where you can do comedy.

00:26:30.000 But that was like, no vaccine then.

00:26:33.000 No real treatments.

00:26:34.000 They didn't really understand what to do if you caught it.

00:26:37.000 And so it was kind of touch and go.

00:26:40.000 I was like, maybe it's wise to not do this and wait until it actually comes.

00:26:44.000 Because it was only like...

00:26:45.000 Texas, and there's a few other states, Florida, there's a few places where you can go.

00:26:49.000 And then I did it again in November.

00:26:52.000 So it was July, and then I didn't do any stand-up again until like, I guess, no, it was actually October.

00:26:58.000 Then Dave and I started doing those shows at Stubbs.

00:27:01.000 Right.

00:27:02.000 Which is an outdoor venue where we tested everyone, and we had a COVID bubble, and we had protocols in place, and that was a lot of fun.

00:27:10.000 And then I did indoor shows at the Vulcan.

00:27:13.000 Start from no actually from today this day two years ago, huh?

00:27:19.000 Yeah, great, and I did the show and I've told the story before but Ron white was like Bob. 0.82

00:27:24.000 I think I'm over time I've heard this story. 0.98

00:27:27.000 He's gonna retire then he got off stage and he just grabbed me He's like whatever the fuck we have to do. 0.99

00:27:32.000 We're gonna keep doing this. 0.95

00:27:33.000 Yeah, I It was amazing.

00:27:35.000 He was pulsating with electricity.

00:27:39.000 So from then on, we've been doing shows.

00:27:42.000 But the first ones back, it was weird.

00:27:45.000 I had to listen to recordings all day, and I went over my notes, and I had to think about transitions.

00:27:54.000 Fortunately, I was in a similar boat to you where I was kind of ready to film a special right when everything shut down.

00:28:01.000 So I had a lot of material that was pretty tight.

00:28:03.000 It wasn't like it was all new stuff. 0.90

00:28:05.000 Like, if I had to just do, like, if I already released a special, and then COVID came along, and then I hadn't done stand-up in six months, and then I'm doing, like, new stuff, oh, I'd be fucked. 0.96

00:28:15.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:28:16.000 Because you don't have anything.

00:28:17.000 Did you, have you filmed, you haven't filmed in a while, right?

00:28:20.000 I filmed in August.

00:28:21.000 Is it out yet?

00:28:22.000 No, I haven't even looked at it.

00:28:24.000 Why not?

00:28:25.000 I didn't feel like it.

00:28:26.000 I feel like filming.

00:28:27.000 It went great.

00:28:28.000 I said, okay, good.

00:28:30.000 Got in the can.

00:28:30.000 I think I'm going to release it right around the time my club opens.

00:28:34.000 And so my club will be open somewhere around February, March.

00:28:39.000 Okay.

00:28:40.000 So that's what I'm probably going to do.

00:28:42.000 And do you got a plan for a streamer?

00:28:45.000 I haven't decided yet. 0.91

00:28:47.000 You know, I'm very fortunate that I can do whatever the fuck I want to do. 0.89

00:28:50.000 So I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. 0.98

00:28:52.000 I might just fucking throw it on YouTube. 0.97

00:28:55.000 I hear you. 0.99

00:28:56.000 There seems to be no... 1.00

00:28:59.000 You know, a mutual friend of ours named Dave Chappelle used to say, good pussy doesn't need a pimp, good pussy sells itself. 1.00

00:29:12.000 That's true. 1.00

00:29:13.000 But Ari Shfirer, I think he's close to 2.5 million now.

00:29:19.000 And he's just been up for a few days.

00:29:21.000 Way bigger than any response he would have ever gotten if it was on Netflix.

00:29:25.000 It was on Netflix.

00:29:26.000 His last special was on Netflix for the longest time.

00:29:29.000 And he's like, I don't think it ever got to a million.

00:29:32.000 Really?

00:29:33.000 Yeah, it's hard, man.

00:29:35.000 What's he at?

00:29:35.000 2.4.

00:29:36.000 2,420,000.

00:29:38.000 I haven't watched it.

00:29:39.000 I was very impressed with the production design.

00:29:42.000 It's great. 0.98

00:29:43.000 It's like, oh, that fucking looks really cool. 0.98

00:29:45.000 Well, Ari was working on that for a long time. 0.97

00:29:48.000 And then the Kobe thing happened.

00:29:50.000 I didn't know he was Jewish.

00:29:51.000 I'm kidding.

00:29:51.000 Ah!

00:29:53.000 And he abandoned it.

00:29:54.000 He was actually gonna film, like, very close to when that Kobe thing happened.

00:29:58.000 And then he sort of put it aside and started doing stand-up again and wrote a whole new act.

00:30:05.000 And then, you know, I talked to him, and I was like, dude, you gotta put that out.

00:30:12.000 Like, it was so good, because he had it so tight.

00:30:14.000 And it's cool because it's kind of evergreen, right? 0.97

00:30:18.000 It's just, I grew up orthodox, and it was fucking weird. 0.89

00:30:21.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:30:22.000 And it's better now.

00:30:24.000 As time goes on, the more you can sort of sit with a subject that's very personal to you.

00:30:33.000 And then, you know, sometimes it's good to just put it aside and not even look at it for a while.

00:30:37.000 That's kind of what happened with my show.

00:30:39.000 I did it in New York for four months every night.

00:30:44.000 So you did it as like a one-man show?

00:30:46.000 Yeah.

00:30:46.000 Now when you do that, do you have a guy warming up the crowd or do you just go out there cold?

00:30:51.000 No.

00:30:51.000 In fact, no, you go out there called, which is interesting, because your first joke's either going to work or it isn't.

00:31:05.000 Sometimes they're primed.

00:31:07.000 I would say the first joke worked 80% of the time.

00:31:10.000 But sometimes you'd be like, okay, like you'd throw a punch and they just stand there and you're like, alright.

00:31:17.000 But there's some, you know, Cosby doesn't have an opener.

00:31:20.000 Right.

00:31:21.000 There's a way to do it where there's something appealing about it where if you don't have an opener, you just go like, yeah, the first two minutes will be a little bumpy, but whatever.

00:31:34.000 Did you ever see Richard Pryor live, the one he filmed in Long Beach?

00:31:39.000 Yeah.

00:31:39.000 Where he goes on stage and people are still sitting down.

00:31:42.000 Yes. 0.99

00:31:43.000 They're walking through the crowd, sitting down, and he's talking shit to them while they're walking and talking. 0.97

00:31:48.000 A guy comes up and takes a photo at, like, stands by the stage and takes a photo. 0.99

00:31:52.000 That's so funny. 1.00

00:31:53.000 He goes, look at this motherfucker. 1.00

00:31:53.000 What are you doing? 1.00

00:31:54.000 That's fucking hilarious. 0.99

00:31:56.000 I don't think he had an opener. 0.99

00:31:57.000 I think he just walked out.

00:31:57.000 I did warm up for myself at the Netflix taping.

00:32:00.000 Oh, really?

00:32:01.000 Which was, like, I would recommend.

00:32:04.000 Really?

00:32:04.000 So you did different material to warm up?

00:32:07.000 It's eight minutes.

00:32:07.000 I did like eight minutes, and then just like, hey, just touching base, and then I'm going to come out, and then it's actually better than having like, when Neil comes out, I need you guys to roar!

00:32:23.000 Oh, that's the worst.

00:32:24.000 Oh, it's so embarrassing. 0.99

00:32:25.000 Those fucking talk shows where they have the applause line, and then there's a guy that's like, come on, applaud, applaud. 0.99

00:32:31.000 I always tell when I do clubs, or any show, when they go like, you guys excited to see Neil? 0.99

00:32:36.000 And then they're all like, yeah, and he's like, Neil's in the back.

00:32:39.000 And you're like, dude, you're going to make them hate me.

00:32:41.000 Yeah, I hate me.

00:32:42.000 Like, I'm in the back.

00:32:42.000 Like, I didn't get enough.

00:32:44.000 They didn't seem excited to see me.

00:32:46.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 I did my own warm-up.

00:32:48.000 That was helpful.

00:32:48.000 Second taping, I didn't have time.

00:32:51.000 So second taping was 20% worse than the first taping.

00:32:55.000 Really?

00:32:56.000 Yeah, and it was one of these things where I'm doing the show... 0.99

00:32:59.000 And I'm like, fuck, I should've fucking... 0.99

00:33:01.000 Because we were going to lose the venue, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 1.00

00:33:04.000 And it was like, the load-in took too long, and I was like, fuck. 0.98

00:33:09.000 But by the end of it, the last half was better than the first show's last half. 0.99

00:33:15.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:33:16.000 That really must piss you off. 0.99

00:33:18.000 Yeah, it was like, I could've fucking heard this the whole fucking... 0.99

00:33:22.000 And that's the funny thing about doing a taping. 0.97

00:33:26.000 It's a I was asking about stress because there was a point where the tape day I'm, you know, very involved in the production just because I can direct and I can do a bunch of stuff and I've done like my buddy Derek DelGaudio who's fucking excellent and has a show called In and of Itself on Hulu that's a magic show.

00:33:43.000 I don't even like to call it a magic show.

00:33:44.000 One of the best taped live shows you'll ever see.

00:33:48.000 What?

00:33:49.000 In and of Itself on Hulu. 0.88

00:33:50.000 It's fucking excellent But He's directing, he's only directed his special, so he's like, it's a lot of moving parts. 0.71

00:34:03.000 Like, they didn't have a lav mic for me, they had a handheld, and I'm like, I'm wearing a lav, and it's four. 0.97

00:34:11.000 And the audience is getting there, we gotta tape at 5.30.

00:34:15.000 Oh no. 1.00

00:34:16.000 And I'm like, the amount of just shit where you're like, I'm gonna fucking kill somebody. 1.00

00:34:22.000 I'm gonna fucking kill somebody. 1.00

00:34:24.000 I swear to God. 0.99

00:34:25.000 I had a funny observation, which is when you're, you know, when everybody gets the credit at the end, roll credits, if you get to give them all a grade.

00:34:35.000 Like, sound?

00:34:36.000 B minus.

00:34:37.000 Didn't love the lav move.

00:34:39.000 Didn't love the...

00:34:40.000 Was it just poor communication?

00:34:43.000 Yeah, it's just one of those things where, like, there's a lot of cracks. 1.00

00:34:48.000 Just shit can fall through. 0.87

00:34:50.000 You know being in charge of a thing and doing arena shows and doing... 1.00

00:34:55.000 People fuck up. 1.00

00:34:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:58.000 Just by nature.

00:34:59.000 Like, you know, I remember...

00:35:02.000 Schumer thought it was sexism.

00:35:05.000 Rock thought it was racism. 0.98

00:35:06.000 When they started directing stuff, and people were fucking up, they thought, this is about my identity. 0.97

00:35:15.000 They don't respect me. 1.00

00:35:17.000 I kind of am paranoid enough to be like, they're fucking haters. 1.00

00:35:21.000 I can easily lapse into that. 0.99

00:35:24.000 And it's just people, human error.

00:35:28.000 Incompetence.

00:35:29.000 There's a lot of that. 0.99

00:35:31.000 I have a theory, 30% of things just get fucked up. 0.98

00:35:37.000 30? 0.99

00:35:38.000 30!

00:35:38.000 If I say, hey, I need X. 30% of the time, people don't hear you.

00:35:46.000 They misinterpret.

00:35:47.000 They go, I have a better idea.

00:35:49.000 But like straightforward stuff, like if you're doing a theater, and there's a sound guy who works for the theater, it's almost 100% works.

00:35:57.000 Almost 100% of the time, that guy knows what he's doing.

00:36:00.000 You get in there.

00:36:01.000 No?

00:36:02.000 You've had problems?

00:36:04.000 Atlanta...

00:36:05.000 What happened in Atlanta?

00:36:06.000 In Atlanta, the guy, I said, play Kendrick Lamar.

00:36:11.000 The joke I always say is, what should we play for your entrance?

00:36:14.000 I'd say, anything but Eminem.

00:36:16.000 Anything, because they go like, he's a white guy, he's affiliated with black people, we're gonna play M&M! And I'm like, nope, nope, don't, please. 0.77

00:36:24.000 So I'm like, play Kendrick Lamar, give him the song, give him the time, 10 seconds in, and the Atlanta show, for one, I came out to nothing.

00:36:35.000 And then I go, what?

00:36:36.000 Oh yeah, he's a fill-in guy.

00:36:38.000 Montreal, a bunch of shows, there was a fuck-up every show, lighting cues, just...

00:36:44.000 And I don't even... 0.92

00:36:46.000 You get mad.

00:36:48.000 The taping of my first Netflix special, three mics, the last 20 minutes of the second taping, there was a nightclub next door, Joe.

00:37:01.000 Oh no.

00:37:02.000 Here comes the thumping.

00:37:04.000 Oh no.

00:37:05.000 Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump.

00:37:07.000 So my dad's dying.

00:37:09.000 I'm literally telling a monologue about my dad dying.

00:37:15.000 And the audience, and I literally had the thought, you literally cannot even think about it.

00:37:22.000 You cannot even a little bit get testy.

00:37:27.000 It's not going to help.

00:37:29.000 And you can't address it?

00:37:30.000 Nope.

00:37:31.000 Because I'm like doing a show.

00:37:33.000 How loud is it?

00:37:34.000 Does it pick up on the sound?

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:36.000 Oh no.

00:37:38.000 The good news is, if I'm talking and there's a thump underneath me, you're not going to hear it.

00:37:45.000 Meaning like, but when I pause.

00:37:46.000 So we had to go through the sound and take out every thump.

00:37:53.000 Kind of by hand.

00:37:54.000 For how many minutes left in your set?

00:37:56.000 In the set?

00:37:58.000 15. Oh god.

00:37:59.000 And dude, it's a monologue about my dad dying.

00:38:02.000 So there's zero laughs.

00:38:07.000 And that's the kind of thing where it's like, where you go, yeah, no.

00:38:11.000 Again, maybe it's just my luck. 0.99

00:38:14.000 Maybe it's just like, I just have bad luck with shit like that. 1.00

00:38:16.000 But, you know, at a certain, like, it just shit fucks up. 0.99

00:38:23.000 The sound, the music, or the lighting cue, or a woman, you know, they just, it's like, I do the, and you can rehearse it. 0.99

00:38:30.000 I've rehearsed it five times.

00:38:32.000 Nope.

00:38:33.000 So your thing that you did, the way you did it with this one-man show, what was the motivation behind this?

00:38:40.000 Like, why did you decide to do a special that's not nec- It's stand-up, but it's not necessarily really stand-up.

00:38:47.000 You have, like, you have a presentation.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, the- this one has a- this one's called Blocks, the new one on Netflix.

00:38:55.000 Well, I'll tell you, the Three Mics one- I did the Comedy Central special ten years ago. 1.00

00:39:00.000 I thought it was good.

00:39:01.000 You know, good jokes, whatever.

00:39:04.000 People didn't really...

00:39:06.000 Eh.

00:39:07.000 Ten years ago, though, Comedy Central was already in this weird spot where people weren't listening as much.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:39:14.000 The ratings were surprisingly good.

00:39:16.000 It was just one of these things like, I didn't become a big club act.

00:39:20.000 It was just I didn't have, like, I'm now a devotee.

00:39:25.000 It was kind of like, oh, that guy's kind of funny.

00:39:28.000 Yeah, but I think everybody got that from Comedy Central specials.

00:39:30.000 Like, you had to be like Kevin Hart.

00:39:32.000 Like, there's only a few guys who did Netflix, or excuse me, Comedy Central specials, and just took off after 2000. You know, it was like, later, like, when you get to 2012, 2014, now you're dealing with streaming services,

00:39:48.000 you're dealing with other things, and you just don't have as many people watching.

00:39:52.000 And it's also...

00:39:54.000 You've got commercials, which is the death of comedy.

00:39:57.000 You're doing these seven-minute chunks.

00:39:59.000 Netflix has commercials now, Joe.

00:40:00.000 Isn't that wild?

00:40:01.000 Yeah.

00:40:02.000 I know.

00:40:03.000 I'm like, I want to watch it.

00:40:05.000 I wonder, because they don't even say, where do you want us to put the commercial?

00:40:09.000 But are the commercials before shows or during shows?

00:40:12.000 I have no idea.

00:40:13.000 It's new, so I think it's during, because if they're after, ain't nobody watching it.

00:40:18.000 If they do it during shows, I will be very upset. 0.94

00:40:22.000 I've heard that Shonda Rhimes and some of the people that have shows on there are a little bit pissed about It's like part of the reason they went to Netflix is because they wanted the shit to play the way they wanted to play. 0.92

00:40:36.000 They lost a shitload of stock with the Chappelle thing. 0.98

00:40:42.000 Their stock crashed.

00:40:44.000 It didn't have to do with Dave though.

00:40:46.000 It had to do with that.

00:40:48.000 It was an earnings.

00:40:50.000 To me, my understanding of it was the earnings.

00:40:52.000 It was the first time the subscribers were flat.

00:40:56.000 I think they lost a million at one point.

00:40:58.000 Right.

00:40:59.000 But it was also – there was a very big public response to the woke bullshit that they were pushing and the fact that they would entertain that that special was in any way transphobic to the point where they had – they had apologized to people for this – what was essentially like a love letter to a dead friend of his. 0.86

00:41:21.000 To pretend that it was transphobic was fucking nonsense and a lot of people were upset about it I think it had and then Elon Musk talked about how so much of it was unwatchable Elon Musk talked about how it was unwatchable, the woke bullshit that's on there There was a narrative and that was exactly the time where it crashed Exactly the time where the stock crashed There was, 0.98

00:41:43.000 unquestionably, there's a narrative that Netflix was fucking up. 1.00

00:41:48.000 And then there was Cuties, that fucked up show that they did about little kids twerking and shit. 0.99

00:41:55.000 It's one of my favorite shows. 1.00

00:41:57.000 Boy, oh boy.

00:41:57.000 I must have watched it.

00:41:59.000 Can you still watch that?

00:41:59.000 Or do they take it down?

00:42:01.000 Joe, I would binge that and then I'd binge it again.

00:42:04.000 I bet you did.

00:42:05.000 You don't have kids.

00:42:06.000 My God.

00:42:08.000 Yeah, no, I don't...

00:42:10.000 My understanding was that they were not...

00:42:16.000 Still available.

00:42:17.000 Timeline-wise.

00:42:18.000 Wow.

00:42:19.000 Still available.

00:42:20.000 Fahim has a really funny joke about Euphoria, the HBO show.

00:42:26.000 That's the one about kids?

00:42:28.000 Yeah, and he's like, who is this for?

00:42:30.000 Because if you're an adult, you're just watching... 1.00

00:42:33.000 Teenagers fuck each other nude? 1.00

00:42:36.000 Right. 1.00

00:42:37.000 And if you're a teenager, you're just watching kids do drugs.

00:42:40.000 It's like no one watches it for the right reason.

00:42:45.000 Right.

00:42:46.000 That's a good point.

00:42:47.000 That's a good point.

00:42:48.000 Do you remember Kids?

00:42:50.000 Dude, Kids is one of my favorite movies.

00:42:56.000 There's some movies that are like...

00:42:59.000 That movie's got very little plot, but you were never...

00:43:05.000 I was 19 and lived in the city.

00:43:09.000 And would just walk around.

00:43:11.000 I didn't skate, but I was just a little rat who lived on St. Mark's.

00:43:17.000 So that movie...

00:43:19.000 Spoke to you.

00:43:20.000 Yeah, I just think it's a really well-made movie.

00:43:23.000 That life is super dangerous now with fentanyl. 0.94

00:43:26.000 It was dangerous back then to just be running around being a teenager doing drugs, but that life now is fucking horrendously dangerous. 0.67

00:43:36.000 Yeah, that's the, you know, when somebody dies, you just go, ah, it's fentanyl.

00:43:42.000 Like, now, if it's not Prince, or I'm sure the Aaron Carter kid who died recently, it'll be, if it's not directly fentanyl, it'll be drug use, long-term, you know.

00:43:57.000 He was trying to come on.

00:43:58.000 Was he?

00:43:58.000 Yeah, I didn't think I would have a good conversation with him.

00:44:03.000 I've had conversations with multiple child stars.

00:44:06.000 It's a sad reality that they don't develop.

00:44:10.000 There is no redoing that. 1.00

00:44:13.000 If you become famous when you are a young kid, you're fucked. 1.00

00:44:18.000 You're absolutely fucked. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Almost always. 1.00

00:44:19.000 Maybe Jodie Foster, I've never talked to her, but she seems pretty balanced. 1.00

00:44:25.000 I think you have to decide... 0.98

00:44:29.000 I'm gonna stop I'm have to take a break and I have to get Jodie Foster went to Yale I think the girl from Harry Potter went to school if you make it concerted effort to do something else to do something else and you have and this is a big one you have to hope your parents didn't fuck you Monetarily. 0.98

00:44:51.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:44:52.000 I have a friend who was a child star.

00:44:54.000 He found out late in life that his parents stole like six million dollars from him.

00:44:58.000 Yeah.

00:44:58.000 It's real common.

00:45:00.000 They feel like they deserve it.

00:45:01.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 I think there's a new law that protects kids.

00:45:04.000 But that's one of those things you just gotta fucking hope, dude. 0.97

00:45:09.000 You gotta hope. 0.97

00:45:11.000 Which you're...

00:45:12.000 You don't...

00:45:14.000 You handle your...

00:45:16.000 You seem to have not a lot of...

00:45:21.000 Outside, people, or you hide it well.

00:45:23.000 Meaning you don't seem like you don't have a crazy family, you don't have a crazy, like, there's not a lot of people asking you for handouts that I'm aware of, obviously.

00:45:33.000 I'm sure you get plenty of like, hey, do you think I could...

00:45:36.000 But it seems like...

00:45:37.000 It's mostly people I don't know well, honestly, that are asking me for stuff.

00:45:41.000 Well, that's when it becomes family or...

00:45:44.000 You gotta hope that...

00:45:49.000 You know, that you just are in a good situation.

00:45:52.000 Like I did a thing with that guy Giannis Antetokounmpo, the basketball player, and he's Greek and like him and his brothers are all in the NBA. Or like they all are pro basketball players and it's like and I was talking I was like you're very lucky that you're all paid You're all like he doesn't have to worry about You know his brother it's like he doesn't have to worry about people That's

00:46:23.000 a real drag that family stuff because it's a real drag because it's it can you feel Bad.

00:46:30.000 You feel bad if you don't give it to them, and you feel bad if you do give it to them.

00:46:33.000 Well, here's what happens.

00:46:34.000 You never are even anymore.

00:46:37.000 You're never just two people talking.

00:46:39.000 There's always someone who wants something from you, and they're angling towards that, and maybe they're not doing it today, but maybe they're doing it and setting you up for something they want to do in the future, and you sense it, and you recognize that the conversation is very slanted.

00:46:55.000 It's not a normal conversation.

00:46:57.000 And that becomes really sad for people.

00:46:59.000 It makes you not trust anyone.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, some people feed off of it though.

00:47:03.000 Some people like it when everybody is like looking for something from them and they can complain about it. 0.99

00:47:09.000 They like it also because it puts them in a position where like they're the fucking bell of the ball. 0.99

00:47:15.000 Patterfamilians, yeah. 0.99

00:47:16.000 You get to be like the, come sit down, what do you need?

00:47:20.000 Which I don't, I wouldn't, that doesn't appeal to me.

00:47:23.000 And that that interaction of that status thing that like I need something from you and it just makes it not very human. 0.85

00:47:36.000 It's not very human and you're never gonna have like real conversations with those people because they're not if you they think you're being a cunt they're never gonna tell you if they want something from them. 0.99

00:47:45.000 So like you know if you're one of those guys that has like a bunch of sycophants that travel with you everywhere you go and they're always kissing your ass like you can get real delusional really quickly. 0.98

00:47:57.000 Yeah and weirdly bitter even though you invite them. 0.99

00:48:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:04.000 I was just talking to a friend who's a very successful touring comedian.

00:48:10.000 And he was explaining to me how he's having problems with his opening acts being entitled and asking for things and getting things and doing things.

00:48:18.000 And he was really upset about it.

00:48:20.000 And we were having this conversation.

00:48:21.000 I go, dude, this is really bumming me out because you're killing it at life right now. 0.99

00:48:25.000 You should be enjoying the shit out of it. 0.99

00:48:27.000 And instead, you're focusing on these few people that are trying to take advantage of you. 0.99

00:48:32.000 And it was, like, legitimate taking advantage of him.

00:48:36.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 Like, there were some of them where I was like, what?

00:48:38.000 Just people, like, literally, like, showing up to fly with him and just...

00:48:44.000 I think I had the same conversation with the same person.

00:48:46.000 Hotel rooms on his credit card. 1.00

00:48:48.000 He's like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:48:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:51.000 And they're mad...

00:48:53.000 They're mad at him.

00:48:54.000 They're mad at him.

00:48:55.000 That's the crazy part is like, you, it's the, I think Chris Rock did a joke about it where it's like, you, you give them money and then they're mad.

00:49:06.000 And it's like, wait, what do you, because they, because you represent their failure, their inadequacies.

00:49:14.000 Because you're so successful.

00:49:15.000 Because you're so successful.

00:49:17.000 Yeah.

00:49:18.000 And they hate the fact that they have to ask you for Anything.

00:49:24.000 It just fucks up the balance of...

00:49:26.000 It fucks up the balance of humanity. 0.74

00:49:28.000 It just fucks up, like, the...

00:49:30.000 Which is, I think, also why shows like this work, because...

00:49:37.000 You can only pretend for...

00:49:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:49:42.000 It's just like, you get a sense of what the person's like.

00:49:45.000 Yeah, after a while.

00:49:48.000 That's why a lot of these celebrities that start these things, they can't keep up.

00:49:52.000 They bail. 0.65

00:49:53.000 You know, like the Meghan Markle's and fucking, I guess she's doing it now, but Prince Harry was doing one for a while and Bruce Springsteen and Obama were doing one for a while. 0.98

00:50:02.000 Yeah, that was wild. 0.97

00:50:03.000 Like, guys, you don't gotta do this.

00:50:06.000 I'm begging you to stop.

00:50:08.000 Is there a Patreon that makes you stop?

00:50:11.000 You just can't keep faking it.

00:50:15.000 It's too hard.

00:50:16.000 If you have an image that you like to do, there's a way you like to talk.

00:50:22.000 I'd like to get that guy alone.

00:50:23.000 I would love to talk to Obama alone where he wasn't worried.

00:50:28.000 You know, if I was like, dude, I promise you I will tell no one we're having this conversation.

00:50:32.000 I've heard quotes from Obama off the record that are all very funny and very interesting.

00:50:39.000 I'm sure! 1.00

00:50:40.000 The fucking guy was the president of the United States for eight years. 1.00

00:50:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:44.000 And he's got a very unique background. 1.00

00:50:46.000 He's a very smart guy. 1.00

00:50:48.000 And a fucking world-class brain. 1.00

00:50:49.000 World-class brain. 1.00

00:50:50.000 Best statesman we've ever had as president.

00:50:53.000 The best representation of what you would want if you want the rest of the world to see what is an excellent American like.

00:51:03.000 But can't be himself.

00:51:05.000 But meanwhile has all the money in the world and can't be himself.

00:51:08.000 How wild is that? 1.00

00:51:10.000 Can't just fuck around. 0.99

00:51:13.000 I mean, if Obama just fucked around, if Obama did a podcast and he had sunglasses on like Tim Dillon, and he's just sitting back and he sparked up a joy. 1.00

00:51:21.000 Let me tell you what I think about this electoral college bullshit. 0.99

00:51:25.000 It would be amazing. 0.98

00:51:28.000 But you also know, I don't think there's a lot of things you want to do that you can't do.

00:51:36.000 But there's like, you know, it's almost like Obama is everyone's parent.

00:51:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:42.000 Like he can't be, it's like shit you wouldn't do around, you got daughters! 1.00

00:51:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:47.000 Yeah, you can't do that.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, I think that's the case.

00:51:52.000 Well, that's the beauty about being a comic, right? 0.99

00:51:54.000 Like you're kind of expected to be at least slightly fucked up. 0.99

00:51:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:00.000 Yeah, well now.

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 I mean, it's like you can kind of talk about whatever you want and that's part of your business model. 0.92

00:52:07.000 If you're a person who is a former president of the United States, and you want to talk about getting your balls cradled, like, I just like the gentle cradling of the balls, just a gentle tickling, you know, no, no, no, no, no, you can't tell people that. 0.94

00:52:22.000 You literally can't. 0.99

00:52:23.000 Who doesn't like their balls cradled? 0.99

00:52:25.000 Like, what are we doing here? 1.00

00:52:27.000 Are we pretending that getting your balls cradled is not great? 0.99

00:52:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:33.000 Why does he have to pretend?

00:52:34.000 It's his whole act. 0.99

00:52:35.000 He does like 20 minutes on his balls. 0.99

00:52:36.000 He just walks out there. 0.98

00:52:37.000 It's so weird that it's his closer.

00:52:38.000 He's in this beautiful suit.

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:40.000 Let me sit down.

00:52:41.000 Yep. 0.99

00:52:42.000 Tell you how I like my balls treated. 0.99

00:52:44.000 Can you believe it? 0.99

00:52:45.000 Well, the question I wanted to ask you about all this stuff is how do you deal with the...

00:52:55.000 When people ask me about you, people ask me about Dave, they ask me...

00:52:59.000 You guys are like firebrands.

00:53:03.000 Uh, I always say that it just looks too stressful for me.

00:53:09.000 Like, the amount of times...

00:53:12.000 You maybe are even unaware of it, but, like, the vaccine stuff, and you make a video, and you...

00:53:18.000 Is that...

00:53:19.000 Are those days hellish?

00:53:23.000 Stressful?

00:53:24.000 Or are you just like, alright, I'll make a video.

00:53:26.000 Oh, they didn't... 0.89

00:53:27.000 I fucked up the thing with their... 0.97

00:53:28.000 I didn't fuck up, or you want me to say I fucked up? 0.99

00:53:30.000 Or, like, what's it like in your body? 0.99

00:53:34.000 It depends on the day.

00:53:35.000 It depends on what the Controversy is, but generally I don't read anything About me. 0.78

00:53:43.000 I don't even now like it like if I see some article with some bullshit headline You know, I don't read it.

00:53:49.000 I'm not reading things about I'm not interested in people's opinions of me It's like you can't take in all that that is not good for you And that's like a learning process took a while to figure that out And if you stay offline and just communicate with people that you know and you meet in normal,

00:54:07.000 real life, the world's fine.

00:54:10.000 The world's normal.

00:54:11.000 The problem that happens with people when they get locked up in a controversy is that they start Dwelling on all these different opinions on them and they start taking it in and considering it and wanting to argue it.

00:54:25.000 I never said it that way.

00:54:27.000 That's not what I meant. 1.00

00:54:28.000 These motherfuckers and then it becomes this emotional thing. 1.00

00:54:31.000 You fucking prick. 1.00

00:54:31.000 Do you see what they wrote? 1.00

00:54:32.000 That doesn't do you any good.

00:54:34.000 That is not a positive.

00:54:35.000 There's no benefit to that.

00:54:37.000 Zero.

00:54:38.000 There's zero benefit.

00:54:39.000 So don't do it.

00:54:40.000 And I always tell comedians, I'm like, those good comments that you read, those aren't good for you either. 0.98

00:54:45.000 I don't, dude, the reason I wanted to talk to you about it is because yesterday the special comes out, and it's a fucking big day!

00:54:54.000 And it's a lot of attention, and it's a lot of, and I had taken Instagram off my phone because I was in... 0.74

00:55:02.000 Want to stay healthy?

00:55:04.000 Yeah.

00:55:04.000 I mean, I was in Hawaii, and I posted a video, and then I was just in paradise worrying about the comments.

00:55:17.000 And I was like, this is a fucking waste of your life, dude. 0.98

00:55:22.000 You have to not do this. 0.98

00:55:25.000 And I took it off my phone, and it's been great, and then I put it back on yesterday because I had to post something.

00:55:32.000 That's what I tell myself.

00:55:33.000 But also, I wanted some of the juice, Joe. 0.99

00:55:38.000 I wanted some of the fucking juice. 1.00

00:55:41.000 Give me some love. 1.00

00:55:42.000 Give me a little bit of the juice.

00:55:44.000 And I got a lot of juice.

00:55:46.000 And it was like, I liked it.

00:55:58.000 The juice was delicious, Joe.

00:56:01.000 Well, you did a good job.

00:56:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:56:03.000 Look, I haven't seen your new special, but you're a fucking hilarious comic, so I'm sure you killed it. 0.98

00:56:07.000 Yeah, thank you. 0.98

00:56:07.000 Which is great. 0.98

00:56:08.000 So, you're getting good juice.

00:56:09.000 You deserve that juice.

00:56:10.000 Yes.

00:56:12.000 And I liked it, and I was telling somebody last night, I was like, you know, I really liked it, and then I was like, but this isn't, that's not me.

00:56:21.000 And I'm like, oh, it is, yeah, it is.

00:56:24.000 It is me.

00:56:25.000 I like the juice.

00:56:27.000 How do I... You know, I obviously, like, took it off my phone again.

00:56:35.000 Whatever, whatever.

00:56:36.000 Of course.

00:56:38.000 Obviously goes without saying took it off my phone again What? 0.99

00:56:42.000 But and then I think about the the III could feel the like Like patch like being a cunt coming up in me. 0.98

00:56:50.000 Just being like just being like well, yeah, I deserve it Just like and I'm and I'm I'm like a sore winner where I'm like you motherfuckers Like, I'm telling people off in my head, and just like, Mike Nichols, 0.98

00:57:06.000 the director who was a comic, and he was Nichols and May, he said, being a performer, he transitioned to being just a director, and he said, being a performer brought out the baby in him. 0.96

00:57:18.000 Where he'd say he would be, like, he'd notice who had the bigger dressing room.

00:57:24.000 Oh no! 1.00

00:57:25.000 And just shit like that. 0.99

00:57:26.000 And I, obviously, it was 12 hours of being, I called myself a despot in exile, where I was, I'm like, in exile, and then I get, like, the country welcoming me back, and I'm like, there's gonna be some changes around here in 12 hours! 0.99

00:57:43.000 I became a fucking monster and I thought about you and I thought about Dave and I thought about guys who, Chris, just people that are, it's Adam, like, big attention, a lot of positive attention pointed at you and you must at a certain point go,

00:58:02.000 I have to make a very firm decision about this. 0.99

00:58:06.000 Yeah.

00:58:06.000 Well, Dave doesn't have social media on his phone at all.

00:58:08.000 But at the same time, he sees everything.

00:58:13.000 He gets sent important things.

00:58:16.000 Things that people think are important.

00:58:18.000 I tell people, never send me anything about me.

00:58:20.000 Well, somebody sent me a review and I was like, don't send me this.

00:58:24.000 Literally, don't send me.

00:58:25.000 I don't want to read it.

00:58:26.000 People are entitled to their opinion and they should express their opinion.

00:58:30.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:58:31.000 I agree with that.

00:58:32.000 But the idea that you should participate in their opinion when you don't even know these people, and you should take this in, and then some people treat it like gospel. 0.99

00:58:40.000 Like, some people's confidence has been destroyed by someone telling them they suck. 1.00

00:58:45.000 I mean, you really can fuck with some people's heads. 1.00

00:58:47.000 It was fucking up my Hawaii trip. 0.99

00:58:50.000 Well, one of the things that I do that I think is very important is I work out really hard, and I think that resets my day every time.

00:58:59.000 So all the other things, like, oh, I should read the comments, like, what are they saying?

00:59:04.000 None of that happens.

00:59:05.000 There's no room for that.

00:59:07.000 I'm so exhausted from that, like, physically exhausted.

00:59:10.000 You almost kill yourself.

00:59:11.000 It's a weird, like, near-death experience.

00:59:14.000 So I get to a point where I've wrung all the stress out of my body.

00:59:19.000 And when I do that, then other stuff doesn't seem like it's a big deal.

00:59:25.000 It really isn't.

00:59:26.000 It's like the physical discomfort.

00:59:29.000 Yeah, you reset your hierarchy of needs.

00:59:35.000 Yeah, it's like I did a, I wrote a joke with Blake Griffin, the basketball player, one time where it was like, they're asking guys, they're interviewing guys after they've just, they're trying not to, they're trying to get oxygen to their brain.

00:59:49.000 Like it's a bad time to do an interview.

00:59:53.000 Well, I was doing interviews with people after they got knocked unconscious.

00:59:57.000 And do you feel, are you kind of like, ah, do you not like it?

01:00:02.000 It's not a good time to interview people.

01:00:04.000 They make mistakes.

01:00:05.000 Because, like, you just had your brain shut off. 0.99

01:00:07.000 Like, maybe they think they won a fight, or maybe they think something, they don't know what the fuck just happened. 0.99

01:00:12.000 And there's varying degrees of that. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Like, you can pretend, oh, he knows, he's playing dumb. 0.94

01:00:17.000 But you have zero idea what's going on in a person's brain unless you are them and you have been knocked out.

01:00:23.000 Did they have a policy of not doing that anymore, or you still do it? 0.94

01:00:27.000 Well, I said I won't do it, and then I fucked up and did it with Daniel Cormier.

01:00:31.000 But I was so confused in that fight because Daniel's a good friend. 0.97

01:00:37.000 I love him to death.

01:00:39.000 And Jon Jones had just knocked him out.

01:00:41.000 And I was in this state— Is this recent or no?

01:00:44.000 No, this was a few years back.

01:00:45.000 Yeah.

01:00:46.000 I haven't done any, like, knockouts interviews since, but I think I did a couple of TKOs, and I think it's a judgment call.

01:00:57.000 Like, there's sometimes when the guy's getting fucked up, but it's really like he's just beaten.

01:01:01.000 He's getting his legs kicked and punched, and the referee comes and stops the fight. 0.98

01:01:04.000 But he's okay. 0.99

01:01:06.000 Like, he just got fucked up. 0.99

01:01:08.000 He's not an out cold. 0.99

01:01:09.000 But sometimes guys get knocked out cold, and when they get knocked out cold, like, ooh, you're...

01:01:15.000 You don't really know because they went away.

01:01:17.000 Yeah.

01:01:17.000 And then they come back.

01:01:19.000 Yeah, and they're in an arena for some reason.

01:01:21.000 Some guys are fine and they handle it with grace and dignity and, you know, they're amazing at it.

01:01:27.000 And that's also depending upon that knockout versus a different knockout.

01:01:32.000 Like, what happened to you that day?

01:01:33.000 Like, how bad did you get beat up before you got knocked out?

01:01:36.000 Was it just one punch?

01:01:38.000 Was it a kick to the head?

01:01:39.000 Is a kick to the head worse than a punch to the head?

01:01:41.000 Even though both knock you out, the force of a kick is way higher.

01:01:45.000 So, you don't really know.

01:01:46.000 You don't really know until you're talking to them, and I don't think you really will ever know.

01:01:52.000 Because a lot of people could talk on autopilot, and then they'll tell you, like, they go back to the dressing room.

01:01:59.000 They have no idea they fought.

01:02:00.000 And then they're in the hospital room afterwards, they don't know what happened, and they lose, like, hours of the night.

01:02:06.000 It's really common.

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:09.000 But I think you're smart, to get back to the original thing, you're smart to reset your hierarchy.

01:02:17.000 Yes. 0.53

01:02:18.000 Where you're fucking exhausted and you want to just breathe and get your body back to like a regular, and you still have all that like exercise drain slash tingle. 0.93

01:02:28.000 There's that too. 0.96

01:02:29.000 There's like you exhaust yourself, which I think is very good for you.

01:02:32.000 Because it relieves you of the stress.

01:02:35.000 My brother Kevin used to jog every day to run the Brennan out of him. 0.99

01:02:42.000 Like, we got bad shit in us. 0.99

01:02:44.000 I have to run it out of me. 1.00

01:02:46.000 That's hilarious. 0.97

01:02:47.000 It's fucking very funny. 0.91

01:02:49.000 But that's a smart approach. 0.97

01:02:54.000 So there's two things going on.

01:02:55.000 There's the physical thing where you're wringing out the stress, which I think is very real.

01:02:59.000 It makes you feel better and it's easier to get by.

01:03:02.000 But then there's also the psychological thing.

01:03:05.000 Because to work out really hard is very difficult to do.

01:03:08.000 And you think things are difficult until you compare them to things that are very difficult.

01:03:13.000 Like very difficult things.

01:03:15.000 Like if you have – say if you're going on a hike in the mountains and you're going to backpack in and camp out and it's – 14 miles in, you have a 70-pound backpack because you have all your food, you have your bedding,

01:03:31.000 you have a tent, you have all this shit on your back, you and your friends, and you're walking 13, 14 miles in. 0.98

01:03:39.000 That's fucking hard. 0.99

01:03:41.000 When you're 9,000 feet above sea level, you're like... 0.99

01:03:46.000 That's real hard. 0.99

01:03:47.000 It's not comments on fucking Twitter. 0.98

01:03:49.000 That's not really hard. 0.99

01:03:51.000 That is easy to ignore.

01:03:53.000 It's easy.

01:03:53.000 You have the option to ignore it and life goes on.

01:03:56.000 Or you have the option to take it all in.

01:03:57.000 Your brain's like, yo, I can't worry about it.

01:03:59.000 You'll have a flash of it. 1.00

01:04:01.000 We can't fuck it. 1.00

01:04:02.000 Dude, you gotta breathe and you're gonna perish. 1.00

01:04:06.000 But you also gotta do difficult shit. 1.00

01:04:08.000 You do difficult shit to change what your watermark is. 0.99

01:04:13.000 Like, what's your mark of, like, normalcy? 0.99

01:04:17.000 And if your ability to handle difficult situations and discomfort is at a very low level, you are going to be miserable forever.

01:04:28.000 You've got to elevate your ability to withstand discomfort.

01:04:32.000 So the things that are discomfort, very discomfort for most people, they aren't as bad for you.

01:04:37.000 They aren't as bad for you.

01:04:38.000 And if you can get there, it's a better place to be. 0.99

01:04:41.000 You just make yourself resilient by just, it's like throwing the menace ball in your stomach and just fucking getting the fucking... 0.96

01:04:48.000 Yeah, you're getting like mental, like if you have, if you're doing like endurance work on a bike, like doing sprints on one of those airdyne machines, you are, you are not capable of thinking of anything else. 0.99

01:05:00.000 You're barely surviving those workouts. 1.00

01:05:02.000 You're like, fuck! 1.00

01:05:04.000 There's these things called Tabata sprints. 1.00

01:05:06.000 It's a great protocol for developing endurance.

01:05:09.000 And you do a 20-second sprint followed by 10 seconds of rest.

01:05:13.000 It's the shortest 10 seconds you'll ever experience in your life.

01:05:16.000 Because then right after that, it's another 20 seconds.

01:05:18.000 I do high interval training for just running.

01:05:21.000 You sprint for a minute and then knot for a minute.

01:05:25.000 And you're like, boy, that was a pretty quick knot. 0.99

01:05:28.000 That fucking slowdown was not... 0.99

01:05:31.000 I think they fucked with the clocks a little bit on that one. 0.99

01:05:33.000 Yeah, time is relative. 0.98

01:05:35.000 It's very relative.

01:05:36.000 So how do you deal with...

01:05:38.000 How did you deal with the Spotify...

01:05:41.000 What's that day like?

01:05:43.000 The day of...

01:05:46.000 The boycotts and all that stuff because I don't I haven't spoken I don't know if you've spoken about it at all.

01:05:51.000 It was They'd never experienced anything like that before so it was interesting to see how they would handle it.

01:05:56.000 They handled it really well and you know again like when I made that video or the big one was like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and When I made that video, one of the things I really wanted to get out there was a lot of the things they were saying were misinformation. 0.99

01:06:13.000 That's a shit word. 0.99

01:06:14.000 It's a shit term. 1.00

01:06:16.000 We're talking about things that are proven to be true now. 1.00

01:06:20.000 Right.

01:06:20.000 And when I was talking about them, a lot of the things that I was talking about were already on the cover of Newsweek.

01:06:26.000 Like, that was the one that masks don't work.

01:06:29.000 Or, no, the cover of Newsweek was the lab leak hypothesis.

01:06:33.000 And then on CNN they were saying cloth masks don't work.

01:06:36.000 These are all things that I had read and talked to people about before.

01:06:41.000 I'm like, you've got to recognize, like, what you're calling disinformation six months from now could be just accepted fact.

01:06:48.000 And that's what we're seeing over and over and over again with this.

01:06:52.000 So there was this, it was very strange to experience that because I could tell that this was not- But you also knew you couldn't get in the weeds.

01:07:00.000 You couldn't even, it's not like- You can't get in the weeds.

01:07:02.000 You can't get in the weeds.

01:07:03.000 You can't go over reading the things that people are saying or watching things people are saying.

01:07:07.000 Or even counter that you can't argue.

01:07:10.000 What did I say?

01:07:11.000 I said, cloth mask, and I said, like, you can't.

01:07:13.000 You got to let other people do that.

01:07:14.000 You be yourself.

01:07:16.000 But if you feel like you didn't express yourself correctly, or if you feel like there's something more to say about it, definitely do that, too.

01:07:23.000 But to counter all the different points of criticism, and also, that's a game dummies play.

01:07:29.000 There's a dummy game, and that dummy game is attack you so that you have to respond back to them.

01:07:34.000 It's like...

01:07:36.000 You're so clever.

01:07:38.000 It's trolling.

01:07:39.000 And you only do it when you don't have other things to contribute. 0.98

01:07:44.000 When people aren't really interested in your personality or your perspectives or the way you word things or talk about things, then you've got to just go start talking shit about people and starting shit with people and hope they respond. 0.96

01:07:55.000 And there's like a whole ecosystem of people talking shit to each other and responding and then becoming friends. 0.98

01:08:02.000 It's like... 0.97

01:08:03.000 And by the way, the friendships are not the sturdiest, I'll say. 0.97

01:08:09.000 It's a silly way to live your life!

01:08:11.000 We've learned in the last couple years, these friendships are not very... 0.82

01:08:15.000 Robust.

01:08:16.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 Well, that's what I always say about you.

01:08:18.000 It's like, I've known him 30 years. 0.97

01:08:21.000 He's fucking nice to me. 0.97

01:08:24.000 And I am nice to him. 0.98

01:08:26.000 We are unlikely animal friends, but he's nice.

01:08:30.000 I respect him.

01:08:31.000 He respects me.

01:08:32.000 I can look you in the eye, know it's true, and...

01:08:36.000 And I don't...

01:08:38.000 So when people... 0.98

01:08:39.000 The amount of, like, wokey, lefty people that will fucking write you off in a second. 0.98

01:08:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:08:46.000 That's okay.

01:08:48.000 Yeah, it's okay, but you just go, okay.

01:08:49.000 There's plenty of things to like in the world.

01:08:51.000 Of course.

01:08:51.000 You don't have to like me.

01:08:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:52.000 It's okay.

01:08:53.000 No, yeah.

01:08:53.000 Yeah, but I'm saying, like, there's a...

01:08:55.000 I do...

01:08:55.000 I represent that...

01:08:58.000 Masculine energy that is so dangerous in today's society.

01:09:02.000 But I also represent being nice.

01:09:04.000 I think it's important to be nice.

01:09:06.000 Yeah.

01:09:06.000 I think it's super important.

01:09:07.000 And by the way, they're not mutually exclusive.

01:09:10.000 In fact.

01:09:10.000 They're not.

01:09:11.000 In fact.

01:09:12.000 Yeah.

01:09:12.000 When you're stronger, you have more of an ability to be nice.

01:09:15.000 You know, you really do.

01:09:16.000 Because when you're more controlled and more confident in yourself...

01:09:23.000 You have more of an ability to forgive people, because there's a strength in that. 1.00

01:09:27.000 Just like, fuck off, come on, relax. 1.00

01:09:29.000 Are you a grudge person? 1.00

01:09:30.000 No.

01:09:31.000 I'm a big one.

01:09:32.000 Yeah, not at all.

01:09:34.000 Not at all, no.

01:09:36.000 Do you see, what about when people say, we need to move on, we need to put that behind us and all that stuff? 0.90

01:09:43.000 If somebody fucks with you and then goes, let's just, let's buy guns. 0.88

01:09:46.000 Some people just like to do that over and over again. 0.99

01:09:48.000 That's a problem with some people.

01:09:50.000 They want to get involved in conflicts and then make up.

01:09:56.000 Have you ever had a girlfriend like that that wanted to fight? 0.97

01:09:59.000 A lot of boyfriends do it too.

01:10:01.000 A lot of people do it.

01:10:02.000 It's a normal sort of psychological rollercoaster you put yourself on.

01:10:07.000 Where you start fights over nothing just so you can make up.

01:10:10.000 Because the making up is so intense.

01:10:12.000 Because it's like, oh my god, is it really going to break up?

01:10:14.000 I don't want to break up.

01:10:15.000 I don't want to break up either. 0.96

01:10:16.000 And the next thing you know, you're making out, you're fucking, and it feels like it's amazing. 0.98

01:10:19.000 I had to tell a woman, like, hey, you don't like me. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Because she kept doing it.

01:10:27.000 I was like, hey, you need to take your own word for this.

01:10:31.000 We don't get along good.

01:10:33.000 You just got to stop being like, hey, no, I know how this ends.

01:10:39.000 You yell at me for nonsense, and then I plead my case, but once you're pleading your case, it's like you've already lost.

01:10:50.000 When you get stuck in a relationship where the other person likes to just berate you and badger you and insult you, which can happen male or female, right?

01:11:00.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 That is the worst place to be.

01:11:04.000 That's one of the worst places to be. 0.64

01:11:05.000 It's a swamp.

01:11:08.000 Unlike, it's real sticky.

01:11:10.000 It's a love swamp. 0.98

01:11:11.000 It's fucking real hard to get out of. 0.99

01:11:13.000 It's a bog. 0.99

01:11:15.000 Your wheels are turning.

01:11:17.000 And you cannot, because then they can go like, so you giving up?

01:11:21.000 Oh, God. 0.99

01:11:23.000 And you're like, fucking, alright, I'll fucking do it another. 0.99

01:11:28.000 You know what gets an actual applause break in the new block special? 0.99

01:11:34.000 I go, I've never been lonelier than in a relationship I didn't want to be in.

01:11:39.000 And people are like, yeah!

01:11:41.000 It gets like a slow roller.

01:11:43.000 That's good.

01:11:45.000 That's so good.

01:11:46.000 That's so true.

01:11:48.000 Yeah, because I could be...

01:11:49.000 I'm single, not married, don't kiss, and it's like, do I get lonely?

01:11:53.000 Yeah, but I've also...

01:11:54.000 You're also not miserable.

01:11:56.000 Yeah, and I know a lot of lonely married people. 0.99

01:11:59.000 Yeah, there's a great quote somebody said once, I'd rather be alone than wish I was alone.

01:12:03.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 Yeah.

01:12:06.000 Alone has its problems.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 But it's very manageable. 1.00

01:12:14.000 It's certainly much more manageable than being in a shit relationship. 0.99

01:12:18.000 Because if you're alone, you can meet someone nice. 0.99

01:12:21.000 Uh-huh. 0.99

01:12:22.000 But if you're in a shit relationship and you can't get out, you're living together. 0.99

01:12:25.000 And if you meet somebody nice, you've got to call a lawyer, Joe. 1.00

01:12:28.000 Oh, no!

01:12:29.000 And you got your bills all tied up together, and maybe, you know, you're not married, but you did buy the house together.

01:12:36.000 Oh, God.

01:12:38.000 Oh, God.

01:12:39.000 I had a girlfriend move in with me, and somebody goes, uh, mark the date down.

01:12:45.000 And I was like, why?

01:12:46.000 And they go, because California common law says that if you live together for seven years, you're basically married.

01:12:59.000 Oh my god.

01:13:00.000 And he goes, it just happened to so and so.

01:13:05.000 Two days after seven years.

01:13:08.000 Two days after seven years they got hit?

01:13:10.000 Yep.

01:13:10.000 Wow.

01:13:11.000 Not married.

01:13:12.000 Maybe you should have like a clock, like one of those digital clocks, like the debt countdown.

01:13:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:17.000 Let's just count down to seven years. 0.98

01:13:18.000 We got to get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:13:20.000 Five years in, you're like, boom, I'm getting a little itchy. 0.99

01:13:23.000 Yeah.

01:13:24.000 This is dangerous.

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:25.000 So what happened with this friend?

01:13:28.000 Did someone file a...

01:13:31.000 Uh-huh.

01:13:31.000 Oh boy.

01:13:32.000 Uh-huh.

01:13:33.000 Looking for a big payday.

01:13:34.000 And I think they got it.

01:13:36.000 Oh my goodness.

01:13:37.000 Wow!

01:13:39.000 That's just stealing money from people.

01:13:42.000 It's...

01:13:42.000 it's...

01:13:44.000 It's another thing that's in the new special where I say, it's like, relationships are reliant on like, this is a shared thing.

01:13:53.000 And then at a certain point, they go, I've been pretending.

01:13:58.000 And then you have to look through it and try to figure out when they were pretending and when they weren't.

01:14:03.000 And then you just have to accept like, oh, this might have all been a grift.

01:14:07.000 And I've seen it.

01:14:09.000 It's happened to me.

01:14:09.000 And not for money.

01:14:11.000 Or not a lot of money.

01:14:14.000 And I've seen it happen to guys I know with a lot of money.

01:14:18.000 And they get...

01:14:19.000 It's a real thing. 1.00

01:14:21.000 People that look at someone who's got money and you act like a predator and you get close to them and you pretend you like them and you date them and you fuck them. 0.99

01:14:32.000 It's like a very high level of prostitution that people engage in. 0.99

01:14:36.000 To me, it has a lot more to do with sociopathy.

01:14:42.000 Oh, it does.

01:14:42.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:14:43.000 It's like, what did you do?

01:14:46.000 But then you've also got the ego of the guy who thinks this, like, I earned it fair and square. 0.94

01:14:52.000 Bomb-ass 30-year-old woman is into him. 1.00

01:14:54.000 I always got hot chicks, bro! 1.00

01:14:57.000 That's on you, stupid. 1.00

01:14:59.000 Of course this isn't a fair fight. 1.00

01:15:02.000 Well, that's whenever I'm on dating apps, I just go, have I ever dated someone who looks like this?

01:15:06.000 Like, in this area of hotness?

01:15:09.000 And if I have, then I'll like them.

01:15:11.000 That's a good move. 0.98

01:15:12.000 But if they're way, I'm like, there's no fucking thing. 0.93

01:15:15.000 There's a point. 0.98

01:15:17.000 I wouldn't trust them.

01:15:19.000 It's so rational.

01:15:21.000 I don't trust you, lady. 1.00

01:15:22.000 You shouldn't be.

01:15:23.000 You're here for the wrong reasons. 1.00

01:15:25.000 I do really enjoy when I see those couples, though, of this aged fucking decrepit man and this bomb-ass wife. 0.99

01:15:33.000 I love that story. 1.00

01:15:35.000 Louis had a fucking great joke about it. 0.97

01:15:37.000 Louis' most recent special, incredibly good. 0.99

01:15:41.000 Really?

01:15:42.000 Before that, excellent.

01:15:43.000 But he had a joke about just getting a year old, you got money.

01:15:49.000 We get together for a couple years.

01:15:50.000 I die.

01:15:51.000 You keep the change. 1.00

01:15:55.000 It was so fucking funny. 0.99

01:15:58.000 That's a great line. 0.99

01:15:59.000 Keep the change.

01:16:01.000 But I don't...

01:16:02.000 That's again...

01:16:02.000 I don't even...

01:16:03.000 That doesn't bother me.

01:16:05.000 It doesn't bother me at all.

01:16:06.000 That's a fair...

01:16:07.000 Everyone knows what's happening.

01:16:09.000 He knows what's happening.

01:16:10.000 She knows what's happening.

01:16:11.000 Everyone who sees it knows what's happening.

01:16:13.000 It's when they're...

01:16:15.000 Even they could be very high-status and get a lot of good-looking girls, high-status women, and then they were just lying.

01:16:26.000 Yeah.

01:16:27.000 And there's nothing you can do about it. 0.67

01:16:31.000 Not a damn thing. 0.84

01:16:32.000 The women can add the resentment to it. 1.00

01:16:35.000 Like, you knew I didn't care.

01:16:37.000 And they can justify it.

01:16:42.000 In their own heads, because like, you made me wait and I did it. 0.97

01:16:45.000 I would rub your feet and just all this shit of like, lady, I thought we were, I thought you meant it. 0.99

01:16:53.000 It was a job. 0.99

01:16:54.000 Yeah.

01:16:55.000 It's a long hit.

01:16:57.000 Yeah.

01:16:57.000 It's a long financial hit.

01:16:58.000 Yeah.

01:16:59.000 And that's, men are vulnerable to that, but so are women.

01:17:02.000 A lot of older women, young guy comes along, fitness trainer, hey baby. 1.00

01:17:06.000 Doesn't Cher have like a 35-year-old boyfriend? 1.00

01:17:09.000 I hope so.

01:17:10.000 I think she does.

01:17:11.000 Good for her.

01:17:13.000 Yep. 0.99

01:17:14.000 But, you know, for some reason that bothers people more than when the old man gets fucked over. 0.97

01:17:22.000 It bothers people when, like... 0.99

01:17:25.000 Wow!

01:17:25.000 Yeah, he's young.

01:17:27.000 I think it said he's 36. How old is she now?

01:17:31.000 70. He looks like a discount Chris Brown.

01:17:34.000 By the way, that's her real hair color. 1.00

01:17:36.000 What?

01:17:38.000 I said 40-year age gap.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, she's 76. Wow.

01:17:42.000 Good for her.

01:17:43.000 Good for her.

01:17:45.000 Cher was a good cultural... 0.79

01:17:49.000 Why does she have to defend the 40-year age gap? 1.00

01:17:53.000 Who gives a fuck? 1.00

01:17:53.000 He's a grown-ass man. 1.00

01:17:55.000 Why does anybody give a shit? 1.00

01:17:56.000 Once someone's in their 30s, why would you give a shit? 1.00

01:18:01.000 Well, I think when they do it, when it's an older man and it's a younger woman, it assumes that women are feeble. 1.00

01:18:11.000 It's like old shit. 1.00

01:18:16.000 You know, Elizabethan fucking Willa Mann. 1.00

01:18:20.000 Some of it shows in the Me Too stuff where they go, he used his power. 0.97

01:18:23.000 Alright.

01:18:25.000 Okay.

01:18:26.000 Do I have power?

01:18:27.000 When do I have power?

01:18:28.000 When don't I have power?

01:18:30.000 But it's just nosy and gossipy.

01:18:34.000 It's like when people get mad that DiCaprio's not married.

01:18:36.000 Right, and that his girlfriends are always 25. Yeah, good.

01:18:39.000 Good for him.

01:18:40.000 That's what he likes.

01:18:41.000 If it was a 25-year-old guy and a 40-year-old woman, no one would care at all. 0.97

01:18:45.000 No, they'd love it.

01:18:46.000 You go, girl.

01:18:47.000 You go, girl.

01:18:48.000 Yeah.

01:18:49.000 Yeah, like, doesn't that Kate Beckinsdale?

01:18:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:53.000 Yeah, good for her.

01:18:54.000 Good for her.

01:18:55.000 You like Pete Davidson?

01:18:56.000 Me too, lady.

01:18:58.000 Good for you.

01:18:59.000 Yeah.

01:18:59.000 Go have some fun.

01:19:00.000 Yeah, knock yourself out.

01:19:04.000 It's weird to care.

01:19:09.000 You know what's weird is that gold digging is totally legal, but there's no courses on it.

01:19:13.000 Like, you would think that, like, it's literally a form of business.

01:19:17.000 Like, if you really thought about it, there's certain businesses you go into where you're just going in to make money. 0.95

01:19:22.000 If you're selling, like, waste baskets, like, are you fucking passionate about waste baskets? 0.88

01:19:29.000 Are you just trying to make some money? 0.96

01:19:31.000 You're just trying to make money.

01:19:32.000 Well, there's ways that people teach people how to do all sorts of jobs, but there's no courses on gold digging. 0.98

01:19:39.000 Like, if you could talk a girl through, like, real psychological manipulation, getting close to, like, decrepit old men with shit piles of money, you could make a lot of money.

01:19:50.000 You think about every client, if you're a real estate agent, every client that you become friends with, and maybe they're going to buy a house in five years, maybe they're going to sell this house, maybe you make money on both those houses. 0.98

01:20:01.000 You've got to stay close to them.

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:04.000 No, you're right.

01:20:05.000 But I think that they, you could see those, a lot of the gold digger ladies, you could see them almost, it's almost like an origin story.

01:20:17.000 When they're six and they get their dad to do something.

01:20:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:24.000 Or some boy in class.

01:20:26.000 They could talk to some boy in class.

01:20:27.000 I like your joke about your daughters slowly stealing your manhood. 0.99

01:20:32.000 Yeah.

01:20:33.000 And then you made it a Kardashian joke, which was great. 0.56

01:20:36.000 It was one of the few Kardashian jokes.

01:20:38.000 I was like, tip of the cap.

01:20:44.000 I'm sure you see your daughters...

01:20:49.000 Develop...

01:20:50.000 Manipulative traits.

01:20:51.000 Yeah.

01:20:51.000 Yeah, humans manipulate people.

01:20:53.000 Yeah.

01:20:53.000 And you get to watch it in real time.

01:20:56.000 The best is when they'll pretend they're sick.

01:20:58.000 They're like, I just don't feel good today.

01:21:01.000 I'm like, dude, really?

01:21:03.000 Let me take your head. 1.00

01:21:04.000 Let me check your temperature.

01:21:05.000 You're fine. 1.00

01:21:06.000 The fuck out of here. 0.99

01:21:06.000 I know what you're doing. 0.99

01:21:08.000 Do you bust their balls? 1.00

01:21:10.000 Try not to. 1.00

01:21:12.000 But there's a comic in you wants to just be like, get the fuck out. 0.93

01:21:16.000 I do a little bit, but you know, you don't want to get sad.

01:21:20.000 It's like a weird dance. 1.00

01:21:22.000 You can't fuck with a lawyer guy like, bitch, you're fine. 1.00

01:21:24.000 No, yeah, that's what somebody told me. 1.00

01:21:26.000 Like, he goes, yeah, the deal is they can make fun of you and you can't make fun of them.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:30.000 Well, I make fun of a little bit, but not, he's just like, you can't talk to them like they're your comic friends.

01:21:35.000 They're little kids.

01:21:36.000 Right.

01:21:37.000 Your daughters are getting 16, 14?

01:21:40.000 14 and 12. So you can see them not becoming women, but does it inform your opinions or information about women,

01:21:57.000 or does it affirm it?

01:21:59.000 Well, whenever you're experiencing life from the moment a child is born to them having conversations with you, it's weird.

01:22:09.000 It's very weird.

01:22:10.000 It's like you remember when there's no baby, and then there's a baby, and then all of a sudden they're talking.

01:22:16.000 It's like you're keeping up with their development, but you're not really developing that much.

01:22:21.000 And you're just watching these creatures.

01:22:23.000 I mean, you are, but not like they are.

01:22:26.000 Like, they're learning how to talk and walk, and they're learning games, and they're playing sports, and they're doing different things.

01:22:33.000 They're learning musical instruments and stuff, and you're like, whoa!

01:22:36.000 You're watching these little sponges of information evolve and grow before you, and then the next thing you know, like, they're teenagers.

01:22:45.000 And that experience, like, if you're not there, And see that experience, like watching a human being go from being a baby to being a young teenager, I don't think you're ever going to appreciate it.

01:23:02.000 We like to think of people as static things.

01:23:05.000 It's like a weird thing we do.

01:23:06.000 Where if I know you and you're 43 years old, I say, oh, Neil's always been 43. This is 43-year-old Neil.

01:23:13.000 But I didn't know you when you were three days old.

01:23:16.000 I didn't see this arc that you went through to get to where you are.

01:23:21.000 So I think because of that and because we're so egocentric and we're worried about ourselves right now, We often see people like, this is how you've always been.

01:23:32.000 This is who you always are.

01:23:33.000 This is how you are with everybody.

01:23:35.000 The way you are with me is how you are with everybody.

01:23:37.000 And I don't think we...

01:23:39.000 I don't really appreciate the arc of development that human beings go through unless you're there for it.

01:23:45.000 Unless maybe you have a younger brother or sister and you get to see them grow up in front of your eyes when you're already...

01:23:50.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:23:51.000 I almost think one of the reasons I don't want kids is because I never had a younger brother or sister to watch.

01:23:58.000 Right.

01:23:59.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:00.000 Well, I have a younger sister, but she's only one year younger, so we basically grew up together.

01:24:03.000 Got it.

01:24:04.000 But I think that that does aid in people's decision making.

01:24:08.000 Like if you're a sister and you're the oldest sister and you have to babysit the younger one and you really like it and you like taking care of kids, well that's a good sign.

01:24:17.000 Maybe you should have kids.

01:24:19.000 But when you're watching your own kids grow and develop, it's like very eye-opening.

01:24:26.000 It just makes you really take into account All the various factors that are involved in making a human being and developing a well-rounded, healthy human being.

01:24:38.000 And is it...

01:24:39.000 Where are you on Nature Nurture?

01:24:42.000 Do you see them at forks?

01:24:44.000 Do you see them come to a fork in existence and make a decision?

01:24:51.000 And you're like, wow, if they'd gone that...

01:24:54.000 And by the way, it's not even a decision.

01:24:56.000 It's just an inclination.

01:24:58.000 Well, I think you want your children to be able to make decisions for themselves, but it's like how many and how far?

01:25:05.000 Like, at what point do you feel like, you know, you need to impose some guidance or some discipline if they do something fucked up, like if they break into your liquor cabinet and steal all your booze and their 13-year-old buddies are blacked out on the floor,

01:25:21.000 like, hey, we got a problem here. 0.93

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 Like, you guys just drank my booze and you're 13. Yeah.

01:25:27.000 And there's also, maybe the 14-year-old would do it and the 12-year-old, they had different personalities.

01:25:32.000 You've got to communicate with them, but their kids are going to do kid stuff.

01:25:36.000 They do the same stuff that we did when we were kids.

01:25:39.000 We check your father's drawer for joints.

01:25:42.000 You steal Playboys.

01:25:44.000 You know, you do, it's normal stuff.

01:25:47.000 Kids are these little human beings that are growing and developing.

01:25:51.000 And I think one of the most important things is having conversations with them like they're regular people.

01:25:57.000 That's not hard to do.

01:25:58.000 Like, you just talk to them like they're a regular person, and instead of trying to talk to them like a little kid, I mean, I'm very loving, but I'll oftentimes have conversations with them.

01:26:10.000 I'll try to explain things, like the way I can explain to an adult, and I try to get them to explain things to me.

01:26:17.000 You know, in a sort of very expressive way.

01:26:21.000 It's wild, man.

01:26:22.000 I don't know.

01:26:23.000 It sounds like a weirdly surreal experience.

01:26:25.000 It's very surreal.

01:26:26.000 It's very surreal.

01:26:27.000 And I started thinking of all people as babies.

01:26:31.000 I've been doing that too. 0.99

01:26:32.000 I've been doing that as if it's like all the things we sexualize, and I'm just in terms of women, and then I go like, she doesn't walk that way because she wants her ass to shake. 1.00

01:26:50.000 When she was two, she just started walking that way. 0.99

01:26:53.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:53.000 Just these things that happen.

01:26:56.000 And then we ascribe, like, motive. 0.98

01:26:59.000 It's like, no, it's just what fucking happened. 0.96

01:27:02.000 If a woman is wearing high heels, like stilettos, and she walks, that's how they walk. 1.00

01:27:07.000 Like, you have to walk that way with those things.

01:27:09.000 It's not like they're trying to get you to hoot and holler at them.

01:27:13.000 Exactly.

01:27:14.000 Or like that's just how they started walking.

01:27:16.000 They walk in the balls of their feet or they walk... 0.58

01:27:18.000 That's how much women want to be hot. 1.00

01:27:21.000 They want to be hot so bad that they'll wear the dumbest shoes. 1.00

01:27:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:26.000 That you can't get anything done in. 0.99

01:27:27.000 That don't fit, don't work.

01:27:28.000 You can't run in them.

01:27:29.000 Nope.

01:27:30.000 You can't fight to the death in them. 1.00

01:27:32.000 You can't get away from fucking wild animals. 0.99

01:27:36.000 There's not a damn thing you can do in those shoes. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Hierarchy.

01:27:38.000 What are your priorities? 1.00

01:27:40.000 You have these ridiculous stilts on. 1.00

01:27:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:44.000 And they're making you stand up on your toes.

01:27:46.000 They probably are killing your feet.

01:27:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:48.000 But damn, your ass looks great. 1.00

01:27:49.000 Yep. 1.00

01:27:50.000 Makes your ass poke out. 1.00

01:27:51.000 Worth it. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Yeah.

01:27:52.000 And it's more common than not.

01:27:55.000 Like, it's so accepted.

01:27:56.000 It's a weird paradox, but it gives them power.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 Because that sexual desire thing is a big...

01:28:04.000 A lot of attention.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 You know, I just spoke about this earlier.

01:28:08.000 You like the juice.

01:28:09.000 Yeah.

01:28:09.000 Yeah, like that juice.

01:28:12.000 Alright, so I want to get back to the Spotify thing real quick.

01:28:15.000 So what do you, how does that information come to you?

01:28:18.000 How does it like, hey, this is a problem?

01:28:21.000 And then how do you then make a decision?

01:28:24.000 How long does that take?

01:28:26.000 Who do you talk to?

01:28:27.000 Or whatever you wanted to say.

01:28:28.000 Well, you know, there was several phone calls about it.

01:28:31.000 It was one of those things where it was like there was a lot going on. 0.99

01:28:34.000 Did you feel like you were in trouble or it was just like this is a pain in the ass? 1.00

01:28:36.000 Definitely be trouble. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Yeah.

01:28:38.000 I mean, you got to think of having artists boycott it.

01:28:44.000 And, you know, being able to explain, like, what do you mean by misinformation?

01:28:48.000 Because I know people say things like that.

01:28:51.000 And they say things like misinformation.

01:28:53.000 But how much do you actually know about the subject?

01:28:56.000 And that's why I wanted to say in that video, this is what I actually know about the subject.

01:29:00.000 We're not talking about quacks. 1.00

01:29:02.000 We're talking about one of the guys who has nine patents on the invention of the mRNA vaccines.

01:29:07.000 These aren't nutty people.

01:29:08.000 They're like the leaders of their field.

01:29:10.000 Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in history in his field.

01:29:16.000 These are like very prominent physicians and doctors. 0.99

01:29:20.000 And so saying they're misinformation, you're buying into the bullshit. 0.98

01:29:24.000 And you're upset because you're old and vulnerable. 1.00

01:29:28.000 I get it.

01:29:28.000 And you don't want anybody denying science and spreading a virus.

01:29:33.000 I get it.

01:29:34.000 I get where you're coming from.

01:29:35.000 But what they're telling you is not true.

01:29:39.000 And what they're telling you about this being misinformation, if you have someone on who wants to go into in-depth discussion about whether or not this is a gain-of-function research lab virus that got accidentally released onto the world, there's a lot of evidence points to that. 0.90

01:29:52.000 But that shit would get you removed from YouTube just a year and a half ago. 0.85

01:29:56.000 They would pull you from online. 1.00

01:29:59.000 You wouldn't be able to say that.

01:30:00.000 But that's pretty much accepted fact.

01:30:02.000 There's like a 90-something percent certainty.

01:30:06.000 I think the last time they polled, is there a poll?

01:30:10.000 Let's find out if this is true, because I think I've read this on Reddit.

01:30:14.000 What percentage of people believe the lab leak hypothesis is the origin of COVID? Oh, I'm interested in that.

01:30:23.000 Like, anybody or, like, scientists?

01:30:25.000 Because I've heard people argue against it, that they think it's a natural spillover, but the arguments against that argument are very compelling.

01:30:32.000 Saying there's no animal model, that doesn't make any sense, and also, it's in the same fucking place where they had a COVID lab. 0.87

01:30:39.000 Like, duh. 0.94

01:30:40.000 It's right there.

01:30:41.000 This is where it started from.

01:30:42.000 When Jon Stewart was on Colbert, and he went on that rant, oh my god. 0.98

01:30:46.000 It was funny as fuck, because Stephen was frozen. 0.99

01:30:49.000 He tried to cock-block it. 0.99

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 No, you don't mean that.

01:30:52.000 I'd like to see some evidence.

01:30:53.000 If you have any evidence, I'd like to see the evidence.

01:30:55.000 Like, what are you saying, man?

01:30:57.000 Why are you holding water for a Chinese bio lab?

01:31:02.000 Politico, Harvard poll.

01:31:03.000 Most Americans bleed COVID leak from a lab.

01:31:05.000 This is a year and a half ago, though.

01:31:07.000 Well, now it's probably everybody.

01:31:10.000 Okay.

01:31:11.000 Okay, so that's one poll.

01:31:14.000 I think there was like a poll amongst scientists.

01:31:16.000 I think what I had read was like in a conversation.

01:31:20.000 It's one of those weird things where I don't care where it's from and it just becomes an argument about like... 0.96

01:31:25.000 Oh, I fucking care. 0.93

01:31:26.000 You do? 1.00

01:31:26.000 How come? 1.00

01:31:27.000 Because there's funding behind that where the American taxpayers like helped fund this kind of research.

01:31:33.000 Oh, the gain of function.

01:31:35.000 This is research that Obama shut down.

01:31:37.000 Right. 0.99

01:31:37.000 And then during the Trump administration they're like, Fucking start it back up again, baby! 0.99

01:31:43.000 And people have been very deceptive about whether or not this research has ever even done. 0.99

01:31:49.000 You know, that's the famous Rand Paul.

01:31:51.000 Have you seen those Rand Paul-Fauci conversations where he's calling it gain-of-function research?

01:31:57.000 And Fauci's like...

01:31:59.000 Sticking to this very narrow definition of what gain-of-function is.

01:32:05.000 But the reality is they manipulated viruses and made them more contagious for humans.

01:32:10.000 That's what they did in that lab.

01:32:11.000 That's also an ongoing thing in science.

01:32:16.000 It's kind of part of science. 0.98

01:32:19.000 It's not some secret fucking nefarious lab. 0.80

01:32:23.000 It's just a thing that people do in science. 0.95

01:32:25.000 Well, they give money To different labs for different research projects.

01:32:31.000 And right when Fauci's leaving, he's retiring, he just gave another grant to the same people that they were accusing of doing this work.

01:32:40.000 So that's your sort of premise on why?

01:32:47.000 Because I'm still in the mind of like, okay, even when you say, because people gave money to it, is it just about like, don't pay these people?

01:32:56.000 Is it about stopping that process?

01:32:58.000 There should be some real conversations about why this was done.

01:33:02.000 Like, why are you doing that work?

01:33:04.000 Like, are you doing that work so that you can come up with better cures?

01:33:08.000 And where are those cures?

01:33:09.000 Or are you just doing the work to better understand viruses?

01:33:14.000 So you're risking making this highly contagious virus that may or may not get out just because you have research money.

01:33:21.000 They're doing it in tons of areas, though, right?

01:33:23.000 Like, am I misunderstanding that?

01:33:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:25.000 They do it in Galveston. 0.98

01:33:27.000 Duncan and I went to the Galveston lab, and it's fucking crazy, dude. 0.98

01:33:31.000 They all got spacesuits on and vacuums attached to their heads and shit, and they're working. 0.96

01:33:34.000 And the guy was explaining to us, he goes, we are working with some of the most infectious, horrific diseases in the world. 0.86

01:33:41.000 They're right here. 0.99

01:33:41.000 And we're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:33:43.000 Y'all, stop! 1.00

01:33:44.000 But he was saying that they weren't worried about man-made stuff.

01:33:47.000 He was saying that our biggest fear is some natural spillover that's catastrophic.

01:33:52.000 Something like the plague or...

01:33:55.000 And that that is really possible, and that's why they have to study these diseases.

01:33:59.000 It was a really wild thing, because he wasn't worried at all about what actually happened at the time.

01:34:04.000 Because this was like, I think when Duncan and I were around, was like, what was that, like 2013 or something?

01:34:11.000 So it was quite a while ago, and I don't think they were really worried about an engineered virus.

01:34:19.000 Something that was naturally designed to become more infectious so they could study how those things work.

01:34:25.000 Is there, in terms of information, misinformation, AI, deepfakes, that whole field, And even what Elon Musk running Twitter now,

01:34:42.000 right?

01:34:42.000 Where do you fall on?

01:34:46.000 Because it's one of these things, like, I believe in...

01:34:50.000 There's got to be some sort of...

01:34:55.000 For lack of a better term, board, jury, some system in place for what is true and what is not true.

01:35:05.000 And when I talk these things out to people, I always end up in like, we all agree that there needs to be some board, we can't agree on who should be on the board. 0.81

01:35:14.000 How would you fucking do that with all the subjects? 0.91

01:35:19.000 Think about all the different subjects, whether it's pop culture or fucking entertainment or technology or medicine. 0.97

01:35:27.000 How many different experts would you have to employ to make sure that everything everyone says is true? 0.87

01:35:34.000 I think a better solution is mind reading.

01:35:39.000 And I think we're probably way closer to that.

01:35:43.000 Hear me out.

01:35:44.000 They're gonna come out with that Neuralink thing, and along with it, as it improves, and there's a bunch of different human neural interface computer things they're working on, different companies they're working on. 0.99

01:35:56.000 I love shit like that.

01:35:57.000 That's a bridge too far from where I'm like, I don't know, guys. 1.00

01:35:59.000 I think we're gonna have to adopt it.

01:36:01.000 I really genuinely do.

01:36:02.000 I think it's gonna be one of those things where the benefit of having it is gonna be so huge, and it's gonna really fuck with this whole haves and have-nots thing.

01:36:10.000 Because the people that get access to it quicker in the beginning, if it really does increase— What do you see this machine doing?

01:36:17.000 The way Elon describes it is increasing the bandwidth in which you can access information.

01:36:23.000 And he said, you're literally going to be able to talk without words.

01:36:29.000 To other people?

01:36:31.000 To other people.

01:36:32.000 Yeah.

01:36:33.000 Is that something you want?

01:36:36.000 That's not the question.

01:36:37.000 The question is if someone gets that and they become really the next stage of human evolution and you're left behind, are you cool with that?

01:36:48.000 Oh, I know what you mean.

01:36:50.000 Because that might be what we become.

01:36:51.000 What we become is integrated.

01:36:54.000 Well, that's almost longevity. 1.00

01:36:55.000 You and I can afford longevity shit. 1.00

01:36:58.000 Most people can't. 1.00

01:36:59.000 Right.

01:37:00.000 Right?

01:37:00.000 Is that privilege?

01:37:03.000 Is that, should we legislate?

01:37:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:06.000 Should we make it so...

01:37:08.000 How do we level that playing field?

01:37:10.000 That's interesting, right?

01:37:11.000 But that just keeps you as a healthy human being.

01:37:14.000 What this is going to do is turn you into a new thing.

01:37:17.000 If you can get something that actually increases your intelligence, increases your capacity to think, to calculate, to access information, that it's all in your mind anytime you want it, and through whatever kind of interface they develop,

01:37:33.000 if that becomes real, you'll have such a massive advantage in business and all these different things that require calculations and Well, that's like the AI thing.

01:37:46.000 Like, you look at the AI art. 0.54

01:37:48.000 It's fucking really fun. 0.98

01:37:51.000 Very good. 1.00

01:37:52.000 And funny as shit. 0.98

01:37:54.000 There's an app called Wonder. 0.99

01:37:57.000 And just hours.

01:37:58.000 Why?

01:37:59.000 Just Neil Brennan at NASCAR and just the photos they made, just whatever.

01:38:05.000 You could do it endlessly, right?

01:38:07.000 Yeah, it's amazing how quickly that has emerged, right?

01:38:10.000 These new softwares.

01:38:11.000 Did you read the one that's like joke-based?

01:38:14.000 There's a joke-based AI? No.

01:38:18.000 Joe, it's not bad.

01:38:22.000 It's not funny yet, but it's like you can see how it could be.

01:38:29.000 So I think it will be like bodybuilding where there's clean competitions and assisted competitions.

01:38:40.000 Or like, yeah, but of course a bot's funnier than me.

01:38:45.000 Right.

01:38:46.000 Like it, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:38:48.000 Like it's going to get to the point where there's, if there's an, that art thing, the one that won the competition, it's a fucking really nice painting or whatever the fuck you call it. 0.98

01:38:57.000 Really nice creation. 0.97

01:38:58.000 Yeah.

01:38:59.000 But it's not even...

01:39:01.000 It's like to say it's not...

01:39:06.000 You can't have it competing against humans.

01:39:09.000 No.

01:39:09.000 So that's I think what you're saying is like, well, what do we do?

01:39:12.000 I think they'll just be like divisions where...

01:39:15.000 The problem is though, if that's what human beings are going to become ultimately, we seem to be totally reliant on technology.

01:39:24.000 Everybody accepts that.

01:39:25.000 Everyone has a phone.

01:39:26.000 Everyone has email.

01:39:27.000 Everyone has a computer. 0.98

01:39:28.000 You know, when they first came out, the personal computer, there were so many people that were saying, this is the dumbest idea ever. 0.99

01:39:34.000 Who the fuck is going to want a computer in their house? 0.99

01:39:36.000 Now everyone has a computer. 0.99

01:39:38.000 If all of this becomes integrated into the human body, our level of acceptance of it right now is 100%.

01:39:45.000 And it's not weird in any world to carry a phone.

01:39:51.000 Well, that's funny how insidious it is, where it's not...

01:39:54.000 It's slow.

01:39:55.000 It's slow moving, but it's...

01:39:58.000 But it's basically in your body.

01:40:00.000 Yeah, basically, yeah.

01:40:01.000 Even if it's not Bluetooth, it's an appendage at this point that we welcome.

01:40:06.000 And by the way, it didn't happen overnight, although I remember having a sidekick in 03 and being pretty hooked on it.

01:40:14.000 Yeah.

01:40:15.000 Like, pretty quickly, like, oh, this is very valuable.

01:40:18.000 Yeah, people loved the sidekick.

01:40:20.000 You got a full keyboard and everything.

01:40:22.000 Forget it.

01:40:23.000 What are we talking about?

01:40:24.000 Flip it up there. 1.00

01:40:24.000 Fuckin' for you. 1.00

01:40:25.000 Click! 1.00

01:40:25.000 Fuckin' you were king of the world. 1.00

01:40:27.000 Yeah, if you were cool. 1.00

01:40:28.000 That was like when Paris Hilton was in full bloom. 0.99

01:40:31.000 Couldn't tell me shit. 0.99

01:40:31.000 She had a sidekick. 0.99

01:40:32.000 Yeah, you're goddamn right she did. 0.86

01:40:34.000 But the question is... 0.66

01:40:40.000 This is a separate discussion, but it's almost like if you took a...

01:40:44.000 You know when they do the, is America on the right track?

01:40:47.000 And they vote yes or no?

01:40:50.000 If you ask most humans, is Earth on the right track?

01:40:54.000 They'd be like, nah, I don't think this is good.

01:40:57.000 I don't think where we're headed is good.

01:40:59.000 And the thing with the implant, I agree with you.

01:41:05.000 But it's the same way I take Instagram off my phone.

01:41:08.000 There might be, like, zones where there's no, you know...

01:41:16.000 No head implants?

01:41:17.000 No head implants beyond this point.

01:41:20.000 I think once they invent them, it's over.

01:41:23.000 I think everyone's gonna adopt it, the same way we adopted shoes.

01:41:28.000 I think people are gonna realize that having some sort of a computer interface that's far superior in so many ways.

01:41:36.000 To your human brain.

01:41:38.000 To human memory.

01:41:38.000 What if you could offload your visual memory to like HD video?

01:41:45.000 That was like an episode of The Dark Mirror, wasn't it?

01:41:49.000 Yeah.

01:41:50.000 That's not outside the realm of possibility.

01:41:52.000 If they do start installing chips in people's brains, We will have a super accurate recording of everything you do.

01:42:03.000 Everything you've done.

01:42:04.000 And if at any point in time someone accuses you of something, there's no more opinion.

01:42:09.000 Well that's the problem with China. 0.99

01:42:11.000 You go to China, they scan your face.

01:42:13.000 They're tracking you the whole time.

01:42:16.000 I was thinking, like, I couldn't do drugs.

01:42:18.000 I couldn't go. 0.98

01:42:19.000 If I go somewhere to do something fucked up, and I'm Chinese, you cannot be a dissident after that point. 0.97

01:42:29.000 Because they go, what are we doing? 0.97

01:42:31.000 We have video.

01:42:32.000 We have cameras.

01:42:34.000 There's a hundred million cameras in China.

01:42:36.000 We're watching you through your eyes.

01:42:39.000 Well, that's where we're going.

01:42:41.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:42:42.000 What I'm saying is they won't have to wonder whether or not you committed a crime.

01:42:47.000 They'll be able to literally watch you do it.

01:42:49.000 Right, and then they will also be able to prevent you from doing it.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, and if you get to a point where we are all online together, like our minds are connected, who's running the server?

01:43:02.000 Well, I told Santino this the other day.

01:43:05.000 I've pitched it on here before.

01:43:07.000 Presbot.

01:43:08.000 Robot president.

01:43:09.000 AI president.

01:43:11.000 Put all the information of human history into an AI. All human psychology, outcomes, and it would be the competition of, well, what, are we doing Howard Zinn's History of America?

01:43:24.000 Are we doing the textbook's History of America?

01:43:26.000 Are we doing critical race theory?

01:43:27.000 Are we doing whatever?

01:43:28.000 All of the, that's where the fight would be. 0.99

01:43:31.000 But that, to me, is getting to the point of, like, There's a lot of fucking human error, and it's a lot of dumb, he's tall shit that could be prevented by some form of... 0.99

01:43:45.000 I mean, I guess it's artificial, but I don't know. 0.99

01:43:49.000 What do you think a robot president would do about Ukraine?

01:43:53.000 I think it would...

01:43:55.000 I think...

01:43:56.000 Again, it's my own liberal slant, so I think he would support it with a cutoff date.

01:44:03.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:44:04.000 And then what happens at the cutoff day?

01:44:06.000 You leave him alone and Russia just comes storming in. 1.00

01:44:08.000 Or you just...

01:44:09.000 You feel super guilty.

01:44:10.000 Yeah.

01:44:11.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:44:12.000 Afghanistan.

01:44:13.000 Yeah.

01:44:14.000 Afghanistan, what do you think they should have... 1.00

01:44:16.000 I mean, Afghanistan should have been a police mission. 1.00

01:44:18.000 It's the thing they always said.

01:44:19.000 Robot president would have never got us into either one of those.

01:44:23.000 Robot president would have done the calculations and said, this is not going to end well.

01:44:27.000 Like, look, we've actually thought this out.

01:44:28.000 We planned it out.

01:44:30.000 But robot president...

01:44:31.000 Do you think robot president would have gamed out Ukraine and come to the...

01:44:37.000 Like, gone like, no, they can fight them.

01:44:42.000 They can fight them, and if they have international support...

01:44:45.000 Because even if you game out Ukraine... 0.52

01:44:48.000 Alright, so let Russia take it. 0.81

01:44:51.000 I don't think that's positive.

01:44:53.000 I don't even think robot president would like that.

01:44:56.000 So robot president would say we have to risk some lives to save the territory. 0.96

01:45:02.000 Yeah, because the spread of ideology, government, it's not good to just have like G7 fucking governments in taking just land willy-nilly. 0.93

01:45:14.000 And then the argument that Putin had was that NATO kept encroaching on its borders. 0.91

01:45:20.000 They were trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. And that would have too many consequences for him.

01:45:28.000 Yeah, which seems like that struck me as a fake argument.

01:45:32.000 Struck me as a...

01:45:33.000 It was a good...

01:45:34.000 It was a bit of the Saddam Hussein thing where it was like...

01:45:40.000 Do you have nuclear...

01:45:42.000 You have nukes and all that stuff.

01:45:44.000 And I think Hussein's point was like, I don't want my neighbors to know what I have.

01:45:50.000 So if it's all the same to you guys, I'd like to keep it a little mysterious as to what I have and not make it...

01:46:00.000 Yeah, I'm not crazy about inspectors.

01:46:03.000 So I think with Putin, it was like he didn't...

01:46:08.000 I don't buy the fact that NATO was going to invade Russia.

01:46:11.000 I don't think that was a real threat.

01:46:13.000 No one was ever saying NATO was going to invade Russia.

01:46:15.000 What they were saying was that by them moving their missiles closer to Russia, it made an initial first attack much more convenient, and it also violated the treaty that they signed.

01:46:28.000 What was it?

01:46:29.000 There was a...

01:46:32.000 What was the agreement that they had?

01:46:34.000 It was like there was an agreement somewhere around, I want to say 94 or something like that, where they discussed making sure that Well, what's funny is the counter is...

01:46:50.000 NATO couldn't get their miss.

01:46:51.000 I forget the distance.

01:46:52.000 Ukraine made a deal with Russia, we'll give up our nukes, as long as you never invade us. 0.83

01:46:57.000 So it's like, which, if I'm the robot, I'm like, hey, there's contradictory information here.

01:47:03.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:47:03.000 Like, there's...

01:47:05.000 Even you and I discuss in some of the things we've discussed today, the nursing shortage, right?

01:47:09.000 Or the healthcare.

01:47:10.000 Your take on it is because they were fired because they wouldn't get vaxxed.

01:47:17.000 I have all the takes.

01:47:19.000 I do.

01:47:20.000 I can see all the scenarios.

01:47:22.000 And that's, like, our discussion is kind of America.

01:47:26.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

01:47:27.000 And I'm going, no, it was a shitty job. 0.99

01:47:29.000 And you're going like, yeah, it was a shitty job. 0.98

01:47:31.000 And I go, yeah, they did fires. 0.70

01:47:33.000 I know people that had to decide whether to get vaxxed to keep their nursing job. 0.99

01:47:36.000 Yeah.

01:47:37.000 I know people that did.

01:47:39.000 But also, it's a hard job.

01:47:42.000 It's hard to keep people on hard jobs.

01:47:44.000 Of course.

01:47:44.000 Yeah.

01:47:44.000 It's a thankless, shitty, yeah, of course.

01:47:47.000 Fucking hard work. 0.99

01:47:48.000 And they work crazy hours and you're watching people die all the time. 1.00

01:47:50.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 Not a lot of fun.

01:47:52.000 Yeah.

01:47:53.000 But to the thread we're on...

01:47:58.000 The...

01:47:59.000 Yeah, it's like what...

01:48:01.000 The AI thing and having a sentient or not even sentient leader or...

01:48:07.000 And then who's like the...

01:48:09.000 Who are the generals underneath?

01:48:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:48:13.000 Like who implements what Prezbot says?

01:48:18.000 Do we take it?

01:48:20.000 Are there a few AIs?

01:48:22.000 No.

01:48:22.000 And then there's a super, it's like, it's a bit like self-driving where it's like, self-driving, I don't believe it will happen because self-driving algorithms will have to decide, run over the old person or the baby?

01:48:35.000 Right, right.

01:48:37.000 How do you insure that?

01:48:39.000 Jesus Christ.

01:48:40.000 How do you get insurance?

01:48:42.000 What do you do?

01:48:43.000 Old person? 0.93

01:48:46.000 Yeah.

01:48:47.000 Yeah.

01:48:48.000 And I do.

01:48:49.000 Four old people, one baby.

01:48:52.000 Five old people, two teenagers.

01:48:54.000 Like, again, gifted old person. 0.98

01:48:58.000 Lumpy teenager. 1.00

01:49:02.000 You know that's and that's the all those things that's where when I when Ilan bought this shit, I'm like Fucking dude. 1.00

01:49:10.000 Why do that to yourself? 1.00

01:49:13.000 Why do that to yourself? 0.99

01:49:14.000 Like what a fucking pain it wouldn't Everybody is freaking out. 0.99

01:49:18.000 What a hair suit that is to put on apparently like a lot of people have left but more people have come on and Yeah, I don't know what their expectation is. 0.98

01:49:29.000 Well, I don't know what their expectation is either.

01:49:32.000 But what he wanted to do was have a place where people could actually debate things and talk about things and not worry about being censored just because you have a different political philosophy.

01:49:43.000 You have different perspectives on worldviews and events and things.

01:49:47.000 And I think that's valid.

01:49:49.000 But whether or not you can do that at scale Yeah.

01:50:09.000 In a different way.

01:50:10.000 Are you more lenient?

01:50:11.000 And if you are more lenient, what are the consequences of that?

01:50:14.000 And then what are the consequences of the advertisers? 1.00

01:50:16.000 This is where you just get into like, fuck. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Right. 0.99

01:50:18.000 What if the advertisers decide they don't want to use you anymore because they're not confident of their products being advertised on a website where people don't have restrictions on what they can say? 0.99

01:50:28.000 Yeah.

01:50:28.000 Which is actually happening.

01:50:30.000 Yeah.

01:50:30.000 And the amount of hate speech and all that stuff, which is like, I don't think you think it's good.

01:50:36.000 I don't think he thinks it's good.

01:50:37.000 I don't think the most free speech absolutist turns out free speech except no impressions of me.

01:50:47.000 Well, I think the problem was people were using his photo and writing his name.

01:50:54.000 Yeah.

01:50:54.000 That it was Elon Musk.

01:50:55.000 And so it looked exactly like his avatar that he uses.

01:50:59.000 Good bet. 1.00

01:51:00.000 And then they're writing a bunch of ridiculous shit. 1.00

01:51:03.000 Right. 1.00

01:51:03.000 Good bet. 1.00

01:51:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:51:04.000 I don't think you're supposed to fight that.

01:51:07.000 I think if I was him and Sarah Silverman said I made poopy or something like that.

01:51:12.000 Yeah.

01:51:13.000 All right.

01:51:13.000 Okay.

01:51:14.000 I thought comedy was legal, buddy.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, you know, when you make a law against people pretending to be people, and then you say it has to say satire.

01:51:28.000 Yeah, it's not a law.

01:51:30.000 It's like just what you want.

01:51:33.000 Yeah.

01:51:33.000 And also, if he did you, he wouldn't have cared.

01:51:37.000 Or me, you know, somebody else, he would have just been like, oh, Joe's funny, he's got a good sense of humor, whatever.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, would he let you do that if you wanted to try to pretend to be like Queen of England?

01:51:47.000 Or if you did Kathy Griffin.

01:51:49.000 Right, exactly, exactly.

01:51:51.000 I bet it would have been fine if people were impersonating.

01:51:56.000 That's where it's like, why do this to yourself?

01:52:00.000 Yeah.

01:52:00.000 Well, it's also, it's like, you know, we're talking about the negativity of reading comments, and even the positive comments are probably not good for you.

01:52:08.000 I think that applies to everybody.

01:52:10.000 And I think it applies to everyone with 149 million Twitter followers.

01:52:14.000 You're interacting with too many minds.

01:52:16.000 As smart as he is, and he's probably the smartest man alive, I don't know if anyone has the capacity to be normal while interacting with that many people.

01:52:27.000 Online and like reading tweets and responding to tweets and and take I just I think he lives in an extreme world meaning wealth Input yeah, he's got a probably not even probably he's got an extreme brain.

01:52:41.000 He's got an extremely powerful brain.

01:52:42.000 Yeah, he's got extremely powerful influence.

01:52:45.000 He's just got it's at all extremes and You know, he likes the juice.

01:52:52.000 He likes the juice.

01:52:53.000 He likes the juice.

01:52:54.000 So it's hard.

01:52:55.000 And there's no regulation.

01:52:59.000 You know, it's like manic.

01:53:01.000 Bipolar people don't like taking the medication because it takes the high off. 0.99

01:53:06.000 Really?

01:53:07.000 Yeah.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, they don't...

01:53:08.000 You get...

01:53:09.000 It gets rid of the low, but it gets rid of the high. 0.99

01:53:13.000 And the high is fucking glorious. 0.98

01:53:16.000 You know? 0.98

01:53:17.000 Yeah, you don't want that numb middle.

01:53:19.000 Yeah, but so...

01:53:20.000 That's what they put Kanye on, right?

01:53:22.000 They had him on some...

01:53:23.000 Remember when he got...

01:53:25.000 What they put him in...

01:53:29.000 What kind of medical facility was it?

01:53:33.000 What do they call them now?

01:53:35.000 Sanitariums?

01:53:35.000 What do they call them when someone put you in a mental health facility?

01:53:38.000 Yeah, mental health facility, yeah.

01:53:41.000 That was when he came out and he was just kind of like...

01:53:45.000 Yeah!

01:53:46.000 And this is the thing that I think about free speech, AI. It's...

01:53:56.000 Kanye on medication is a tragedy.

01:54:00.000 Yeah, Kanye off medication has the potential to create some bomb-ass songs.

01:54:07.000 But also, it's a tragedy.

01:54:09.000 Also, it's a tragedy.

01:54:11.000 What's going on right now is.

01:54:12.000 What's going on right now is tragedy, for sure.

01:54:15.000 I heard a song he made six weeks ago.

01:54:20.000 Excellent.

01:54:21.000 Of course it's great.

01:54:22.000 Excellent.

01:54:22.000 That same personality that makes music to just powerful, bang, bang, bang, that coming out with just words, it's like sometimes the wrong words come out and then you have to defend those wrong words.

01:54:33.000 It's like how much reading and thinking are you doing on these subjects and how much you're just used to espousing your opinions on things with full confidence all the time.

01:54:43.000 Yeah.

01:54:44.000 On things that are very nuanced and complicated.

01:54:46.000 And then does anybody talk to you about this?

01:54:49.000 Well, I don't...

01:54:49.000 But when you're...

01:54:53.000 Billionaire.

01:54:53.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.000 You're not getting...

01:54:57.000 You've lost...

01:54:58.000 You don't have access to...

01:55:00.000 No one's gonna be straight with you.

01:55:02.000 It's just...

01:55:03.000 You don't even have to have a billion.

01:55:05.000 You could have 10 million people aren't gonna be straight with you.

01:55:07.000 No.

01:55:07.000 You're hiring everyone.

01:55:09.000 You're picking up every...

01:55:10.000 It's just...

01:55:10.000 It's a...

01:55:11.000 It's...

01:55:12.000 In some ways, I think, with Kyrie Irving and Kanye, I told somebody it's like algorithmic personality disorder, where you start off a little, and then you go, right, eh, further right,

01:55:27.000 further right, further right, because you watch.

01:55:31.000 It does it to you now?

01:55:33.000 Explain.

01:55:35.000 Kyrie posted a link in his story to a video.

01:55:40.000 And this is why he's getting in trouble.

01:55:42.000 But isn't that video for sale on Amazon?

01:55:45.000 Yeah, no.

01:55:46.000 Somebody said that.

01:55:47.000 It's an excellent point.

01:55:49.000 That's the craziest thing ever.

01:55:52.000 It's an excellent point.

01:55:53.000 Kyrie is getting in trouble.

01:55:54.000 And Amazon's not?

01:55:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:57.000 What?

01:55:57.000 You want all this from him because he watched a video and he sent a link to it that you're selling.

01:56:04.000 Yeah.

01:56:05.000 Yeah.

01:56:06.000 Yeah.

01:56:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:56:08.000 That's fucking wild. 0.98

01:56:10.000 This speaks to the thing we were talking about earlier, which is it used to be... 0.99

01:56:14.000 Amazon considers disclaimer to anti-Semitic film.

01:56:18.000 Oh, good for them.

01:56:19.000 Nice.

01:56:20.000 Consider it.

01:56:20.000 That Irving shared online.

01:56:22.000 The company said it was working with the Anti-Defamation League to potentially...

01:56:26.000 Potentially.

01:56:27.000 Add language to the page that viewers see before buying or renting the film.

01:56:31.000 Meanwhile, the film is still for sale.

01:56:35.000 They want him to give up a half a million dollars.

01:56:39.000 They want him to make a public apology.

01:56:41.000 They want him to talk to different leaders.

01:56:44.000 Yep. 0.99

01:56:45.000 And the fucking video, all he did is post a link. 1.00

01:56:49.000 What did he say? 0.99

01:56:50.000 Did he say this video is amazing and I agree 100% with everything it says?

01:56:54.000 I think he wasn't like hate sharing it.

01:56:58.000 Even if he did Like, go and watch that video and say, I like that video.

01:57:05.000 The video's for sale on Amazon.

01:57:07.000 I agree.

01:57:09.000 That's wild.

01:57:10.000 That no one has an issue with that.

01:57:12.000 Well, that's where you're into...

01:57:20.000 I mean, I was doing a joke about it. 0.99

01:57:22.000 It's like, I'd way rather be Jeff Bezos than fucking Taylor Swift. 0.99

01:57:26.000 Taylor Swift gets, a lot of celebs are getting dinged for flying private. 0.99

01:57:32.000 They're for the environment except for private Jeff.

01:57:36.000 And Jeff Bezos could wear a fur jumpsuit.

01:57:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:42.000 With a fucking, with a bald eagle around, like, and he's got, and no one has any expectations. 0.99

01:57:49.000 And the other thing is, Jeff Bezos goes, do you want the moisturizer in 40 minutes or not? 0.99

01:57:57.000 What are we playing?

01:57:58.000 What are you telling me?

01:57:59.000 And he's retired.

01:58:00.000 I mean, yeah, or the proverbial Jeff Bezos.

01:58:02.000 Like, there's no standard expectation for him. 0.99

01:58:06.000 There is for Kyrie because he has all these corporate partnerships and the NBA is like, yo, fucking... 0.97

01:58:10.000 But it's not that. 0.97

01:58:11.000 It's that he's an influential individual and he's a basketball player and he's a huge star.

01:58:17.000 Jeff Bezos is just a guy who owns a company, but the company...

01:58:21.000 Is not him.

01:58:22.000 The company has this video for sale.

01:58:25.000 But Jeff Bezos and Amazon would kill themselves if they only had Kyrie's influence. 0.89

01:58:32.000 Of course.

01:58:33.000 I mean, what Kyrie has is relative to Amazon.

01:58:38.000 No one's defending this.

01:58:39.000 No one's defending this.

01:58:41.000 On either side.

01:58:42.000 But what I am saying is it's pretty wild that that video is for sale.

01:58:48.000 And he's in trouble.

01:58:49.000 Totally agree.

01:58:50.000 I want to talk about what it used to be like.

01:58:56.000 Let's read this here.

01:58:57.000 Amazon said the film did undergo review before becoming available online, though it declined to provide details of the review and how it concluded that the film did not violate the prohibition on hate speech.

01:59:09.000 What is this movie?

01:59:10.000 What is it?

01:59:10.000 I don't even know what it is.

01:59:12.000 I think it's like, remember that book, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

01:59:16.000 No.

01:59:17.000 It's just a conspiracy.

01:59:19.000 What is it?

01:59:20.000 This is basically saying like, you know those dudes who yell in Times Square at the Hebrew Israelites?

01:59:24.000 Here it is.

01:59:25.000 It's their movie.

01:59:26.000 Mr. Irving tweeted a link to Amazon for a documentary called Hebrews to Negroes.

01:59:34.000 Hebrews to Negroes wake up black America, which includes extensive anti-Semitism, such as claims that Jews control the media and that millions of Jews did not die during the Holocaust.

01:59:49.000 Huh.

01:59:51.000 The Holocaust denial is a tough one.

01:59:54.000 So is that...

01:59:56.000 Does the film say no one died?

01:59:59.000 Or does it say less people than they say died?

02:00:03.000 People love to stick their neck into hornets' nests. 0.62

02:00:09.000 If you deny the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust, what are you trying to say?

02:00:14.000 You trying to say it wasn't bad?

02:00:15.000 Well, it's pointless.

02:00:18.000 It's pretty well documented.

02:00:19.000 Well, it wasn't actually seven.

02:00:21.000 It's more like three.

02:00:22.000 It's the Cosby argument. 1.00

02:00:24.000 It's like, Pete didn't rape all them bitches. 1.00

02:00:30.000 Eight of them. 1.00

02:00:32.000 Yeah, it is the silly... 0.98

02:00:35.000 How many do you think died? 0.96

02:00:37.000 I just want to know.

02:00:38.000 That's what I'd say to them.

02:00:39.000 What do you think?

02:00:40.000 You think it was a thousand?

02:00:41.000 Yeah, but I think guys like that go, it's not my place to know.

02:00:45.000 It's like...

02:00:46.000 It's too easy.

02:00:48.000 The information is too easy to attain now.

02:00:51.000 You used to, in the 90s, you had to go to a store.

02:00:55.000 You gotta go to a library.

02:00:56.000 I don't even think it was a library.

02:00:58.000 It was more like an independent bookstore, like a weird kind of hippie, and they'd have a UFO book, and they'd have a DMT book, and they'd have a Bigfoot book, and it's basically your podcast.

02:01:11.000 LAUGHTER It was a bookstore.

02:01:14.000 That's what your podcast is.

02:01:16.000 It's just all these.

02:01:18.000 I remember there was one in L.A., and that's where I got the tape of celebrities cussing, celebrities at their worst CD. That's hilarious.

02:01:28.000 And they just had all those books, and then there was one.

02:01:35.000 It's number six this week.

02:01:37.000 That's very funny.

02:01:38.000 I was talking to Chris Rock about this last night.

02:01:41.000 We were talking about how many they've sold and how they're selling it for...

02:01:46.000 How much does it cost?

02:01:48.000 The paperback of the book.

02:01:50.000 The hardcover is $44.

02:01:52.000 That's how much it costs to buy also for the movie.

02:01:54.000 It's $11 to rent.

02:01:55.000 The movie you buy, it's $40?

02:01:58.000 There's a book version that came out first and then they made a movie of the book.

02:02:02.000 But how much is the movie?

02:02:03.000 $40 to buy.

02:02:07.000 It's number six this week.

02:02:09.000 This is the book that I have up.

02:02:11.000 The book is on the Amazon charts.

02:02:12.000 It was also number one at one point, too.

02:02:14.000 So the book is number six, and it was number one.

02:02:17.000 And this video is number what?

02:02:21.000 Did they tell you how many people were watching the video?

02:02:23.000 I just clicked whatever was on Google when it took me to the book.

02:02:26.000 Does Amazon have a thing where they let you see how many views it's getting?

02:02:30.000 No, I don't think so.

02:02:31.000 Hmm.

02:02:33.000 Well, I guarantee it's a lot.

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:36.000 All right, here's the question.

02:02:37.000 So they're selling it.

02:02:37.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 So Amazon must get a piece of that? 1.00

02:02:40.000 How does that work?

02:02:40.000 How does it work?

02:02:41.000 Amazon gets a piece of it.

02:02:42.000 So it's like a percentage thing, like Apple Store?

02:02:44.000 Like that kind of deal?

02:02:45.000 Yeah.

02:02:46.000 I mean, yeah.

02:02:47.000 Wow.

02:02:48.000 They're getting their...

02:02:49.000 It's like any...

02:02:50.000 It's not even an app.

02:02:50.000 It's a distribution fee.

02:02:54.000 Whatever.

02:02:55.000 All right, so here's the question.

02:02:56.000 Here's the question.

02:02:58.000 What do we...

02:02:59.000 So with misinformation...

02:03:04.000 How do we...

02:03:05.000 Do you think we just have to be open, like something of a free-for-all?

02:03:11.000 Whether that's misinformation...

02:03:13.000 Holocaust denial, right? 0.53

02:03:14.000 Just as like a thing.

02:03:16.000 Because this is the thing that Zuckerberg said.

02:03:17.000 If somebody posted Holocaust denial on Facebook, he'd accept it. 0.98

02:03:22.000 And then a couple years later, he was like, you know...

02:03:25.000 I've had a change of heart.

02:03:26.000 I think I would try to get rid of it.

02:03:28.000 Do we do a free-for-all?

02:03:31.000 And if that leads to the demise of humanity, so be it?

02:03:37.000 Or do we have some mechanism?

02:03:42.000 Because that seems to be the argument whenever – because people go, I don't think – I think Alex Jones should be able to say whatever he wants.

02:03:49.000 I think whoever can say whatever they want and then they – and we have to let the chips fall where they may because I don't trust any human being to be in charge of this.

02:04:00.000 So we just have to see where this takes us.

02:04:04.000 Because there was a thing with WhatsApp, for example, owned by Meta, Mark Zuckerberg, and there was a thing.

02:04:14.000 There's a lot of misinformation on WhatsApp.

02:04:16.000 They'll just blast people.

02:04:17.000 They'll just blast numbers.

02:04:19.000 And in the Myanmar Civil War, there was a thing.

02:04:24.000 If you look this up, it'd be great.

02:04:25.000 Because there was a thing where they blasted misinformation.

02:04:29.000 And a bunch of people went to some location and were slaughtered.

02:04:34.000 It was a setup, basically.

02:04:37.000 Now a free speech absolutist would say...

02:04:40.000 A genocide incited on Facebook with posts from Myanmar's military.

02:04:45.000 Wow.

02:04:47.000 So that's 2018. Hmm.

02:04:52.000 They posed as fans of pop stars and national heroes as they flooded Facebook with their hatred.

02:05:00.000 One said Islam was a global threat to Buddhism. 0.98

02:05:02.000 Another shared a false story about the rape of a Buddhist woman by a Muslim man. 0.91

02:05:06.000 The Facebook posts were not from everyday internet users.

02:05:10.000 Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing. 0.96

02:05:17.000 According to former military officials, researchers, and civilian officials in the country.

02:05:23.000 That's another problem with social media, is that there's a very distinct real number, whatever the number is, where those accounts aren't real.

02:05:33.000 Whatever the number is, they know that hundreds of thousands of them Are fake and come from these Russian troll farms and there's people that use them to manipulate you with with Businesses and I mean even Howard Stern was calling for that remember there was that video that came out about him or saying hey make a bunch of fake Twitter accounts and and text and tweet to celebrities right and that's you know,

02:05:59.000 it's like Donald Rumsfeld said that's the cost of living in a free society freedom's messy the question is is The you read more that people got fucking yeah thousands people maybe tens of thousands yeah based on fake posts yeah,

02:06:16.000 what's what I'm saying is like There's all sorts of ways people manipulate social media.

02:06:23.000 The fact that you could just communicate to people, like, instantaneously, it's really magical, pretty amazing.

02:06:30.000 But the problem that comes along with that is that you're going to get people manipulating it, and you're going to get people that can really have a great deal of impact on the way people see and think about things.

02:06:43.000 And you could do that for your own best interest or you could do that like they did it and slaughter a bunch of people.

02:06:49.000 You could do that to try to make people aware of a situation, to sell a product, to do it.

02:06:56.000 But the bottom line is- Or say elections were stolen.

02:06:59.000 It's not people.

02:07:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:01.000 And you could say it in a Trump room or you can go to the Democrats and argue with them about it and you stir up shit. 1.00

02:07:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:07.000 And it's not real people. 0.98

02:07:08.000 That's the thing that's fucked. 0.97

02:07:10.000 If I know you're a human being and you're trolling, that's one thing. 1.00

02:07:14.000 Oh, that guy's a troll. 0.95

02:07:15.000 But at least I can identify you. 0.98

02:07:17.000 That's the one human being.

02:07:19.000 I know who he is.

02:07:20.000 If you're a part of some Macedonia troll farm and you're just spamming in multiple different accounts.

02:07:28.000 They're real people, though.

02:07:30.000 Yeah, but if you are doing it for a very specific purpose, you work for a company that's doing that. 0.99

02:07:35.000 You just want to fuck with whatever country's election or whatever country's... 0.99

02:07:40.000 With everything that happens. 1.00

02:07:42.000 With democracy itself.

02:07:44.000 But what is the percentage of that?

02:07:46.000 I want to know what the number is.

02:07:48.000 Because if the number really is...

02:07:51.000 People thought that the number on Twitter could be as low as 5%, or some crazy people think it might be as high as 80%.

02:07:59.000 What was that argument?

02:08:01.000 That was by a guy who was some sort of securities expert, correct? 0.97

02:08:06.000 And he said, like, on the high end, he'd think it might be like 80% bullshit accounts. 0.97

02:08:11.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:08:12.000 Okay, so that's the world.

02:08:15.000 Yeah.

02:08:17.000 What do we do?

02:08:18.000 Charge eight bucks.

02:08:19.000 That's what Elon's gonna do.

02:08:21.000 If you make people pay eight bucks, that might be the only way you can get people to not have fake accounts.

02:08:28.000 But they would still have fake accounts.

02:08:29.000 Yeah, they're gonna game it.

02:08:31.000 What I'm saying is...

02:08:32.000 It would be very valuable, right?

02:08:33.000 If you did have an account, if it only cost you eight bucks, To create a whole new account, and you use that account for propaganda, and you could- Money well spent.

02:08:42.000 Incredibly well spent.

02:08:43.000 You could do a lot of stuff with that money.

02:08:45.000 Yeah, but what I'm saying is, King Joe, what do you do?

02:08:50.000 How do you, like, what do you do?

02:08:52.000 What do you do about Alex saying that there were crisis actors?

02:08:58.000 What do you do about people exercising free speech That's not true.

02:09:09.000 What do you do?

02:09:10.000 That's a good question.

02:09:11.000 Do you counter it with truth?

02:09:13.000 And do you let it all play out until people get a chance to understand what's correct and what's incorrect?

02:09:18.000 I think a lot of times it's too late.

02:09:20.000 Myanmar would be an example by the time they realize that it's too late. 1.00

02:09:24.000 That seems particularly different because they use that app to Spam people.

02:09:30.000 Yeah, but I think that...

02:09:33.000 Or Alex does...

02:09:35.000 You know, Alex says that they're crisis actors in Connecticut, and then those families' lives are ruined three times worse than they would have been ruined.

02:09:43.000 Their kids died.

02:09:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:46.000 It's...

02:09:46.000 I... It's a good question.

02:09:49.000 And that's what I'm saying.

02:09:50.000 Like, as a person...

02:09:54.000 I don't know how to handle these things. 0.94

02:09:56.000 Thinking about it, I'm like, I have no fucking idea. 0.95

02:10:00.000 No, I don't think anybody does. 0.83

02:10:01.000 There's free speech absolutists, and there's people that are willing to forgive people for past mistakes, and there's people that will never forgive you for anything, and they want you punished and removed from the air if you made a mistake, or if you say something incorrect, or if you, you know...

02:10:16.000 You give out misinformation.

02:10:18.000 They're talking about mal-information now, which is really wild.

02:10:21.000 It's like using...

02:10:23.000 Intentionally bad?

02:10:24.000 True information, but using it out of context, or using it in a context that could be dangerous.

02:10:35.000 I don't even need to look at it.

02:10:37.000 What do you do?

02:10:38.000 I just don't know what to do.

02:10:40.000 I'm not bullshitting when I say the read minds thing is our way out of this.

02:10:42.000 I really think that. 0.98

02:10:44.000 I think we really are not going to know what the fuck people mean or think or feel or what their motives are. 0.97

02:10:50.000 Do you know how many relationships are going to fall apart once we can read minds? 0.98

02:10:55.000 Most of them.

02:10:56.000 So many people are going to know people's secret feelings about them, or know their intentions, or know that they'll have a plan to stay with you for seven years and then take you to the cleaners.

02:11:09.000 Yeah.

02:11:10.000 But until that happens, that sounds like 40 years.

02:11:16.000 What do we do about...

02:11:18.000 We let people sort it out.

02:11:19.000 You can't have anybody in control.

02:11:21.000 I'm kind of of the mind that people can't be trusted to sort it out.

02:11:25.000 We're not...

02:11:26.000 It's too many inputs.

02:11:29.000 I have to pee so bad that I can't concentrate on this conversation.

02:11:33.000 But we'll come right back to it. 0.99

02:11:34.000 Whether or not people can fucking handle it. 0.98

02:11:37.000 We'll come right back. 0.99

02:11:39.000 I couldn't concentrate.

02:11:41.000 I can't hold this P in any longer. 0.99

02:11:44.000 I can't listen to this guy. 1.00

02:11:46.000 There's such a narrow bandwidth of your fucking focus. 1.00

02:11:49.000 You can't form sentences anymore. 1.00

02:11:51.000 Whether or not people can handle it.

02:11:52.000 We're kind of handling it.

02:11:54.000 This is like an unprecedented influx of information and people are kind of handling it.

02:11:59.000 You know, the one thing they're doing is they're distrusting corporate news sources that have been lying to them over and over and over again.

02:12:06.000 What's filling that void though?

02:12:08.000 Independent news sources.

02:12:09.000 Independent news sources where people know that these people are telling you the truth.

02:12:14.000 They're telling you what they really feel.

02:12:16.000 They're not influenced by any network executives.

02:12:19.000 People like Breaking Points with Crystal and Sagar and the Jimmy Dore show.

02:12:25.000 There's quite a few shows that are doing very well during this time.

02:12:28.000 Wouldn't you argue they all have their own biases, though?

02:12:30.000 Yes, exactly.

02:12:32.000 For sure.

02:12:32.000 But I was going to say, even if you don't agree with them, they don't lie.

02:12:35.000 They don't distribute propaganda.

02:12:37.000 They don't lie.

02:12:39.000 And what they're putting out is, even if it's their opinion and you disagree with it, At least they're not lying about any facts.

02:12:49.000 They might not be correct all the time.

02:12:50.000 Right.

02:12:51.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

02:12:51.000 It's like it might be misinformed.

02:12:53.000 It might be biased.

02:12:54.000 Well, it's like you can find multiple studies that give you different data points on certain things, right?

02:13:00.000 There's studies.

02:13:01.000 If you want to look, you can find a study that says this.

02:13:03.000 If you want to look, you can find a study that opposes that.

02:13:07.000 So it's like, how much research have they actually done into each individual subject?

02:13:11.000 And do you agree with their conclusions?

02:13:13.000 There's always that.

02:13:13.000 But they're not liars.

02:13:15.000 And everyone on TV is a fucking liar. 1.00

02:13:17.000 Like, they're paid to lie. 1.00

02:13:19.000 Like, you see it over and over again.

02:13:23.000 That famous speech where Rachel Maddow is saying, if you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you.

02:13:30.000 You can't give it to anyone else.

02:13:32.000 She's literally saying medical misinformation on television.

02:13:36.000 Right.

02:13:37.000 And she's saying it to convince you to do a medical procedure. 1.00

02:13:40.000 She's not a fucking doctor! 1.00

02:13:43.000 No, I would argue she's just being hopeful. 1.00

02:13:45.000 I don't believe so.

02:13:47.000 No, I believe they are, well, for sure, they know that the government was encouraging people to do this.

02:13:54.000 And that they were contacting people on different shows and encouraging them to promote the vaccine.

02:13:59.000 So she's doing this in a way that's just not true at all.

02:14:05.000 I would argue it's not true at all, but it's certainly biased.

02:14:11.000 How would you argue that it is true in any way?

02:14:14.000 The vaccine doesn't stop transmission and it doesn't stop you from getting infected.

02:14:19.000 Did she believe that at the time?

02:14:23.000 She could have believed it.

02:14:24.000 She could have believed it.

02:14:25.000 But that's what I'm saying.

02:14:26.000 I don't think that she's willfully lying.

02:14:28.000 They did tell you in the beginning that it would do that.

02:14:31.000 Right.

02:14:32.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:14:33.000 I don't think she's lying.

02:14:35.000 Whoever came up with that data knew that wasn't true.

02:14:41.000 They're admitting that they never even tested it.

02:14:44.000 I'm with you that there's a lot of hopeful...

02:14:47.000 Did you see the conversation where that woman was having with a Pfizer CEO where they asked her whether or not they tested it to prevent infection?

02:14:57.000 And she said they didn't.

02:14:59.000 Yeah.

02:15:00.000 So to even say that, like someone had to tell Rachel Maddow.

02:15:04.000 Maybe she's not lying, but someone had to tell her.

02:15:07.000 Something that's absolutely not true.

02:15:09.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:15:11.000 That's my point.

02:15:12.000 That's why they don't listen to them anymore.

02:15:13.000 I get it.

02:15:15.000 I really get that.

02:15:16.000 People are engaging with independent people, whether it's Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi, independent journalists, that will tell you what they really feel about things.

02:15:26.000 And that is what's emerging from this confusion that's promising to me.

02:15:32.000 That's going to have its own pitfalls, though, which is it's just a different bias.

02:15:37.000 There's no solution.

02:15:41.000 I know!

02:15:42.000 That's Thomas Sowell.

02:15:43.000 There's no solution, only trade-offs.

02:15:45.000 Yeah.

02:15:45.000 He's right.

02:15:46.000 Yeah.

02:15:46.000 And that's the thing of, like, I... I understand the disgust, frustration with mainstream media.

02:15:54.000 Like, I fucking get it. 0.98

02:15:56.000 I think it's valuable, but I get the... 0.98

02:15:59.000 No, there's something valuable about the New York Times.

02:16:02.000 There's something valuable about the Washington Post.

02:16:05.000 But the more times they fuck things up and get things wrong and distort things, the more that value decreases. 0.94

02:16:11.000 Totally agree. 0.83

02:16:12.000 The price that they pay...

02:16:13.000 Completely agree.

02:16:15.000 For being biased and being woke and all the horseshit that they say, when they know it's like at least partially inaccurate, when they do that, it diminishes their value as the most important news sources in the world.

02:16:27.000 Total agreement.

02:16:27.000 And they still do it.

02:16:28.000 They still do it because it's part of the culture.

02:16:30.000 Yeah, human error. 0.98

02:16:32.000 Yeah, it's human bias and fucking, yeah, it's just, that's where, whether it's Jimmy or Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald or any of these people... 0.99

02:16:42.000 Yeah, they all have biases and it's... 0.99

02:16:47.000 It's less of a...

02:16:48.000 I don't know what their system is for verification or lawsuits or...

02:16:56.000 I think it's gonna ultimately come down to people are gonna emerge out of this that are trusted voices.

02:17:04.000 And you can be a trusted voice and you could be successful and be a trusted voice.

02:17:09.000 Just never sell yourself out.

02:17:10.000 I think you are one.

02:17:12.000 Thank you.

02:17:12.000 I try.

02:17:13.000 I try really hard.

02:17:15.000 I'm never going to just go on here and tell people something.

02:17:19.000 I always say about you, you are not a liar.

02:17:22.000 It's not good for anybody.

02:17:24.000 It's not good for you.

02:17:25.000 It's not good for anybody.

02:17:26.000 There's no benefit in it.

02:17:27.000 It doesn't help you.

02:17:28.000 It doesn't help anybody.

02:17:30.000 I feel like...

02:17:32.000 That's what's going to emerge.

02:17:33.000 These people that are, like, real independent journalists who adhere very closely to the ethics of journalism. 0.51

02:17:42.000 And a lot of them get fucking torn apart for it, like Alex Berenson.

02:17:46.000 Sued Twitter. 0.98

02:17:47.000 Got back on.

02:17:49.000 I mean, that's wild, right?

02:17:51.000 Sued Twitter because they were saying what you were saying is misinformation for COVID misinformation.

02:17:55.000 Everything he said was from peer-reviewed studies.

02:17:57.000 All of it.

02:17:58.000 All the data.

02:17:59.000 All the things he was saying.

02:18:00.000 He's reporting on things in a way that's factually inaccurate.

02:18:03.000 It's accurate.

02:18:04.000 It's accurate.

02:18:05.000 And they kicked him off and then they had to put him back on because of that.

02:18:08.000 Those guys are valuable.

02:18:09.000 Because if they're not doing that, who's doing that?

02:18:11.000 And you might not agree with him.

02:18:12.000 And you might say, you are causing vaccine hesitancy and you're causing people to not think this is a dangerous virus.

02:18:18.000 You might be correct.

02:18:20.000 You might be correct that that influences some people in some way, in that way.

02:18:23.000 It didn't influence me in that way.

02:18:25.000 It would influence me in a way where I'm like, ooh, this is very strange that I'm getting all this information from this one guy.

02:18:31.000 And why is this?

02:18:32.000 This seems to be available, like, this should be on NBC. This should be on CBS. Everybody should be talking about this.

02:18:37.000 But they're not.

02:18:38.000 So they have a very specific narrative when it comes to this thing where they're not trusting that you can make good decisions.

02:18:44.000 They want to guide you in a very specific direction.

02:18:50.000 Of ideology or because of a corporation or multiple corporations that are behind the advertising for that show, which is most certainly the case on television, they get Suspicious.

02:19:02.000 They don't want to listen to you anymore.

02:19:03.000 They'll take some information like, oh look, there's a bomb went off over there.

02:19:07.000 There it is.

02:19:08.000 I see it on TV. But these talking heads and the people that are like, they're worthless. 0.95

02:19:14.000 I was watching Tim Pool's show.

02:19:16.000 They were talking about Don Lemon's show.

02:19:17.000 That in the key demographic, you got 70,000 viewers.

02:19:21.000 You know what insane that is?

02:19:23.000 That's such an insanely small number.

02:19:25.000 It's like not a great podcast.

02:19:26.000 No, it's like a new podcast from a guy who is a doorman at the store.

02:19:32.000 But that's the world we're living in, man.

02:19:35.000 Meanwhile, when Tim Pool's show was on, they had more than that watching.

02:19:39.000 I would just say, I hope people are aware that there's trade-offs.

02:19:43.000 Because the thing that...

02:19:48.000 The argument for the Post and the Times and legacy media is, while biased, there was a level of stability to it.

02:19:58.000 Yeah.

02:19:59.000 But it feels paternalistic, or it feels like people don't want to be guided, like you said. 0.99

02:20:07.000 But, fucking society? 0.98

02:20:11.000 Civilization, there's gonna be some thing, and there is, at this point, there's gonna be some mechanism of guidance, whether it's the government, the church, media. 1.00

02:20:21.000 Right, right.

02:20:22.000 I think people do need some sort of what I call moral scaffolding.

02:20:26.000 That's one of the reasons why I'm not anti-religious at all.

02:20:28.000 I'm not particularly religious.

02:20:30.000 I feel the same.

02:20:32.000 When people go, religion's the cause of all wars. 1.00

02:20:35.000 It's also the cause of most people not punching people in the face.

02:20:39.000 I have a feeling people would have found a reason to start those wars without religion. 0.90

02:20:43.000 I just have a feeling.

02:20:44.000 I think people say, you know, Christianity has done some horrible things.

02:20:47.000 I think so, yes. 1.00

02:20:48.000 But also, if they weren't Christians, they probably would have done the same shit. 1.00

02:20:52.000 I think it's a human thing. 0.99

02:20:54.000 I think it's a human thing, especially back in the day, man, when life was brutal and horrible and everybody had syphilis.

02:21:00.000 You killed each other with swords. 0.99

02:21:02.000 People were fucking ruthless. 1.00

02:21:04.000 And you could blame it on a religion... 0.99

02:21:07.000 But I think the thing about having some sort of a structure, and most importantly moral and ethical, like the way you treat each other, the way you talk to each other, like, you know, what you're trying to do in life, I know a lot of Christians that are like the nicest people.

02:21:22.000 If they're real Christians, if they're like real, practicing, believing Christians, some of the most charitable- You name any religion and I know a lot of people that are- Exactly.

02:21:31.000 I was about to say that too.

02:21:32.000 I know the same about Jews. 1.00

02:21:33.000 I know the same about Muslims. 0.99

02:21:34.000 I know the same about Mormons are some of the nicest fucking people I've ever met. 1.00

02:21:37.000 They're the nicest fucking people. 1.00

02:21:39.000 And they're in the wackiest religion. 1.00

02:21:42.000 But they're the nicest folks.

02:21:44.000 Maybe it's good for them to have a structure.

02:21:47.000 And I think people without structures find structures in places where they don't think it's a structure.

02:21:52.000 And I think that's what wokeism is.

02:21:54.000 I think it's religion.

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:55.000 And I also think that religion, atheism's on the rise in the last 30, 40 years because the institutions were flawed.

02:22:05.000 And people go, well, fuck God. 1.00

02:22:08.000 Okay. 1.00

02:22:10.000 Yeah? 1.00

02:22:10.000 Or fuck the dumb priests who fucked the kids? 1.00

02:22:14.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:22:15.000 So it's damning, to use the metaphor, institutional media that is a stabilizing force.

02:22:24.000 A lot of what's in the New York Times is 100% factually correct.

02:22:28.000 You know what I mean? 0.94

02:22:30.000 A lot of it's fucking absolutely factually correct. 0.96

02:22:34.000 Washington Post, Guardian, I go down the line.

02:22:36.000 And also, a lot of the stuff that Glenn Greenwald says is absolutely factually correct.

02:22:41.000 Like, I don't damn Glenn, and I don't damn them, but I'm not sure how confident I am that people can make these decisions on their own.

02:22:51.000 Well, that's the thing. 0.91

02:22:52.000 It's like we always want to assume that we're a lot smarter than the other people. 0.98

02:22:55.000 So we're worried about other people getting influenced by shit that's not correct. 0.98

02:22:59.000 And the moment I start to make an argument against that, I think about QAnon. 0.99

02:23:05.000 Say no more.

02:23:06.000 I know!

02:23:06.000 There's a new QDrop.

02:23:08.000 Oh my god, they restarted it.

02:23:10.000 Yeah.

02:23:10.000 It's like when they rebooted the Equalizer.

02:23:12.000 It's back.

02:23:13.000 Oh, that's so funny.

02:23:14.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 People can't wait.

02:23:17.000 It's back, baby.

02:23:18.000 He's back.

02:23:20.000 He's got a funny outfit this time.

02:23:23.000 Bro, it went all the way up to Michael Flynn.

02:23:24.000 Michael Flynn, what was his official role in the military?

02:23:29.000 He was a general, correct?

02:23:31.000 Yeah, he was as high as you can get.

02:23:33.000 He was a full-on Q guy.

02:23:34.000 He was going to be the head of national security.

02:23:37.000 Yeah, former national security advisor.

02:23:38.000 Did you watch Into the Storm?

02:23:41.000 The QAnon documentary?

02:23:43.000 I didn't like the style of it.

02:23:45.000 What?

02:23:45.000 I didn't like the...

02:23:47.000 So then I decided that I was going to go to...

02:23:52.000 I just didn't.

02:23:53.000 I knew it was going to end up in just like nothing.

02:23:56.000 You didn't like the narration of the way the guy's telling his story?

02:24:00.000 I thought it was fascinating.

02:24:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:02.000 Because I'm fascinated by internet characters.

02:24:06.000 I'm fascinated by those people that spend all their time online and forums.

02:24:11.000 I like when they moved to Thailand.

02:24:12.000 Oh, my God.

02:24:14.000 Oh, my God.

02:24:15.000 That guy, the guy who most likely took it over from the first guy.

02:24:21.000 Remember they visit the first guy?

02:24:22.000 Did you watch that?

02:24:23.000 I watched.

02:24:24.000 I probably watched an hour or two.

02:24:25.000 Okay.

02:24:26.000 They found the guy who they assume is the first guy, and he's very skeptical of the new Q for some reason.

02:24:32.000 Oh, of course.

02:24:33.000 The new Q boots on.

02:24:35.000 The new Q, that's not the guy, though.

02:24:37.000 That's not the original guy that did it.

02:24:39.000 That's the guy that came along.

02:24:41.000 That's the guy that took it over, and the dad is the guy to the left. 1.00

02:24:45.000 They're fucking characters, man. 1.00

02:24:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:24:47.000 Hilarious characters, but they were fucking... 1.00

02:24:50.000 Like, high-level trolling people in a way that one of the posts that was made, the only way someone could get access to it, like, was when the forum got shut down. 0.97

02:25:02.000 So the forum comes back up and this post is up there.

02:25:05.000 Like, how the fuck does this guy have access to it before everybody else unless he's this kid who's running the forum? 0.98

02:25:11.000 It's nuts! 1.00

02:25:12.000 Yeah, and it's fucking... 1.00

02:25:13.000 It influenced giant swaths of people. 1.00

02:25:16.000 Yes, and January 6th, just like all this shit, you got light, and you get someone that can benefit from it, a human actor, a malicious human actor, and it can create... 0.99

02:25:31.000 Huge problems, huge deaths, huge, like... 0.99

02:25:34.000 Right, well, and if you watch the January 6th stuff, you know the story about the guy who was most likely some sort of a government agent who's trying to talk people into going in?

02:25:45.000 He's out there, we gotta go in there. 0.99

02:25:47.000 I don't give a fuck what happens. 0.99

02:25:49.000 We gotta go in there. 0.98

02:25:50.000 And what is this guy's name?

02:25:52.000 Ray something?

02:25:55.000 Ray Epps, they've found him.

02:25:57.000 They know who the guy is.

02:25:58.000 He's facing no charges, no consequences.

02:26:02.000 And they grill the FBI about this guy.

02:26:05.000 I forget who it was, Ted Cruz?

02:26:07.000 Grills the FBI about this guy and won't answer any questions.

02:26:11.000 Won't answer yes or no whether or not he was an agent, whether he was involved with them, whether he had anything to do with them.

02:26:17.000 Nothing.

02:26:18.000 Right.

02:26:18.000 And this guy's just trying to tell people to go inside.

02:26:21.000 And no charges.

02:26:23.000 Yeah, again, conspiracy on conspiracy on a conspiracy.

02:26:26.000 But imagine that it's okay for, you take a bunch of people who are Obviously easily influenced.

02:26:34.000 I would argue that's most people.

02:26:36.000 That's a lot of people.

02:26:37.000 Yeah.

02:26:37.000 And that's the cult thing we're talking about.

02:26:39.000 Yes.

02:26:39.000 This is another cult.

02:26:40.000 That's a cult too.

02:26:42.000 Order.

02:26:42.000 People need it.

02:26:43.000 Crave it.

02:26:43.000 The vote was rigged.

02:26:44.000 That's a cult.

02:26:45.000 Yep. 1.00

02:26:45.000 The fucking storm the Capitol. 1.00

02:26:46.000 That's a cult. 1.00

02:26:47.000 So these people are out there and you get a guy who's like this big, brawny, powerful, fucking manly looking man, this government agent guy. 0.99

02:26:55.000 He's telling me, we gotta fucking go in there. 0.98

02:26:57.000 You're like, yeah, we gotta go in there. 0.98

02:27:00.000 And you go in there because this guy tells you to go in there.

02:27:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:27:04.000 Like, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

02:27:06.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:27:06.000 And then there's also, like, when the cops open the gates. 0.99

02:27:08.000 Did you see that?

02:27:10.000 No.

02:27:10.000 There's video of cops just opening the gates and letting these people storm past the gates.

02:27:14.000 Oh, yeah, there was a lot of, like, cops just being like... 0.99

02:27:17.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.98

02:27:18.000 Why do you have gates? 1.00

02:27:19.000 Why do you have gates if someone could just open the gate and a cop opens the gate?

02:27:22.000 Right, because they're under armed.

02:27:25.000 The insurgents are over armed.

02:27:30.000 And the cops won't send backup.

02:27:34.000 Half of them didn't have good equipment.

02:27:36.000 Half of them weren't allowed to have good equipment that day.

02:27:38.000 They had to leave it on the bus. 0.99

02:27:39.000 Just shit like that. 0.99

02:27:40.000 So do you think they opened the gate because people were going to go through the gate no matter what? 0.99

02:27:44.000 And they wanted to avoid that?

02:27:45.000 That's how I interpreted it.

02:27:48.000 But this reminds me of something. 1.00

02:27:51.000 It's the Steve Bannon thing of flooding the zone with shit. 0.99

02:27:55.000 So I see it as one conspiracy and then they all run up there and whatever. 0.99

02:28:02.000 I have an alternate viewpoint.

02:28:03.000 I think a lot of cops might be on their side.

02:28:07.000 Of course. 0.99

02:28:08.000 So a lot of those cops that are there might be like, fuck yeah, I'm going to open the gate. 0.99

02:28:11.000 You know what? 0.99

02:28:12.000 Totally agree.

02:28:13.000 They stole the vote.

02:28:15.000 But yes, they're misinformed.

02:28:19.000 There's so much thing and then you go what about the guy who you we get so much information that you know where our brain goes? 0.99

02:28:25.000 It's a fucking mistrial. 0.98

02:28:27.000 I don't even know what to think. 0.99

02:28:29.000 I don't even know what to think anymore when in reality we kind of know what happened.

02:28:35.000 What percentage of voting do you think is fraud?

02:28:40.000 What percentage of the results?

02:28:42.000 Because it's not zero.

02:28:44.000 So what's the number?

02:28:45.000 I don't know.

02:28:47.000 I mean, the guy said the last election, the 2020, was the most legit election we've ever had.

02:28:53.000 Well, again, I want to be really clear.

02:28:55.000 I'm not questioning any election results.

02:28:57.000 That's not what I'm trying to do.

02:28:58.000 What I'm trying to say is, for sure, they lie about everything.

02:29:03.000 People lie and steal and manipulate. 0.99

02:29:06.000 And if you get 50 fucking states... 1.00

02:29:09.000 Filled with people that are doing- there's got to be someone working there with a Trump sucks cocks tattoo. 1.00

02:29:14.000 And he's probably handling balance- Human beings need constant supervision. 0.99

02:29:18.000 Constant, right.

02:29:18.000 So there's a number.

02:29:20.000 So do you think it's like a negligible number?

02:29:22.000 Do you think, like, how much voter fraud is there? 0.84

02:29:25.000 I'm of the mind that it's negligible in that every time I read, again, I'm reading, so who, but I don't, but I've never been in an election where people are like, I didn't fucking vote for that part.

02:29:37.000 I've never been compelled to think that an election was rigged.

02:29:40.000 I've always, like, questioned it.

02:29:42.000 I remember that HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy, where they took these—I think they were Diebold—make sure that's true. 0.93

02:29:50.000 I think they were Diebold computers, and they found out that there was a third-party ability to enter third-party data that they could utilize, and they could affect the outcome.

02:29:58.000 So they ran a study, or they ran a test with this machine where they manipulated it, and they got different results than they should have gotten.

02:30:06.000 They got results where it favored the client that this program was set up to do.

02:30:12.000 Probably the incumbent, yeah.

02:30:13.000 Yeah, Diebold in Leon County, Florida.

02:30:15.000 So it was a really wild documentary because you realize this 100% can be manipulated.

02:30:20.000 Yeah.

02:30:20.000 And it's actually designed to be manipulated.

02:30:23.000 There was a thing on 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago, so it's 60 Minutes, so it's very stable, you know, like selling stability.

02:30:30.000 But they were explaining, it was all the stuff that Trump and all those guys were talking about.

02:30:37.000 I can't remember the name of the company.

02:30:39.000 But they're like, they're not on the internet.

02:30:41.000 We disconnect them from the internet.

02:30:43.000 It's all paper.

02:30:44.000 And then they're counted onto a computer that's not connected to anything.

02:30:49.000 Or not even a computer or a hard drive or whatever.

02:30:51.000 Then we take the hard drive and you can't...

02:30:54.000 There's no inputs.

02:30:57.000 So that's...

02:30:58.000 Whenever I see stuff about...

02:31:01.000 Manipulation or, you know, it's like, I'm like, it seemed pretty...

02:31:05.000 And then you see people counting and they're being supervised and it all seems not exactly foolproof because it's... 0.99

02:31:11.000 The interesting thing is, by saying this, I feel like a bitch. 0.98

02:31:16.000 Right. 0.98

02:31:17.000 Do you know what I mean?

02:31:17.000 Like, I'm some naive toady for the government and stability, which is the other thing it does.

02:31:24.000 No, no, no.

02:31:24.000 You're being rational about it.

02:31:25.000 You're being rational. 1.00

02:31:26.000 But the internet has made rational people seem like bitches and like- Only to fools. 1.00

02:31:32.000 Right. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Only to fools. 1.00

02:31:33.000 Right, but it's a lot of fools. 1.00

02:31:34.000 But yeah, but you should be rational about it. 0.99

02:31:37.000 And what you're saying makes a lot of sense.

02:31:39.000 The other thing that makes sense is what's interesting about that documentary, Hacking Democracy, that was all about the Bush administration.

02:31:46.000 That was all about the Republicans having to vote because that was – I believe that company was a large contributor to the campaign.

02:31:54.000 So I think that was what they were worried.

02:31:57.000 The owners of that company had a vested interest in the Republicans winning.

02:32:00.000 And so that was about hacking it.

02:32:03.000 Because we have to realize this.

02:32:05.000 People have always accused people of rigging votes.

02:32:08.000 They did it in 2016. Since the beginning of voting.

02:32:12.000 Yeah.

02:32:13.000 In human history.

02:32:14.000 Because it's a natural human inclination to cheat.

02:32:16.000 Especially when it comes to...

02:32:18.000 We know how much money is involved in being president.

02:32:20.000 How much power is involved in being president. 1.00

02:32:22.000 God damn, there's so many fucking factors. 1.00

02:32:24.000 So many influences. 1.00

02:32:26.000 There's so much of an incentive for someone to do something. 0.97

02:32:29.000 If you are a person who's very invested in politics, so much so that you're working for a polling place, you know, and you're like really, you know, hardcore one way or another, hardcore right wing, hardcore left wing, if you can get away with shit, I'm sure you're going to do it. 0.94

02:32:44.000 But the question is, like, how many can get away with it? 0.91

02:32:46.000 And whether or not that actually can affect elections.

02:32:49.000 And like, what about provisional ballots?

02:32:53.000 What about people that don't have ID? What about people that are here illegally and vote because they feel like that's the trade-off for being able to be allowed into the country? 0.85

02:33:03.000 That's the argument about why they're letting so many people into this country. 1.00

02:33:07.000 Right.

02:33:07.000 Now it's technically backfiring because most immigrants are voting conservative.

02:33:14.000 Latinos.

02:33:15.000 Latinos are hard-working people, man. 1.00

02:33:17.000 They don't want to hear your bullshit. 1.00

02:33:18.000 It'll work. 1.00

02:33:19.000 Yeah.

02:33:19.000 No, I agree.

02:33:20.000 But it's interesting to hear your take on this stuff because...

02:33:25.000 You're a part of it.

02:33:27.000 When people talk about this sort of not legacy media, not legacy information streams, you're a big part of it,

02:33:42.000 and it's funny to hear that you're like I'm just trying to figure it out like everybody else.

02:33:48.000 I think everybody is trying to do that.

02:33:50.000 It's just you should be allowed to do that.

02:33:52.000 The problem is everybody wants to come to a conclusion when they're not necessarily sure.

02:33:56.000 It's more convenient to have like a clear conclusion.

02:33:59.000 And there's a problem too when there's a narrative that floats around and if you question that narrative like you're a kook or you're a bad person or you're a conspiracy theorist or you're contributing in some sort of a negative way.

02:34:10.000 I do not like the idea of forced compliance.

02:34:12.000 I do not like the idea of buying into a narrative.

02:34:16.000 And as soon as I'm asked to do that...

02:34:18.000 But that's a thing that didn't really exist before the internet.

02:34:25.000 Not the idea of forced compliance, but just like, I don't know, this is what we're doing.

02:34:29.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:34:30.000 Like, and then it became kind of weaponized of like, you're a sheep and you're, it's like where I say like, I believe most of what's in the New York Times, you sheep ass bitch. 0.99

02:34:39.000 I don't necessarily agree with you because even during the Vietnam War, that was an issue. 1.00

02:34:43.000 I mean, that was the division of society in the Vietnam War is that people knew that the Vietnam War was bullshit and they knew that they were being fed bullshit by the government and they're sending human bodies over there to just to go and die. 0.97

02:34:56.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. 0.97

02:34:57.000 And that changed culture in its very radical way because people just rejected all the norms of society.

02:35:04.000 And this also came about the same time as the introduction of LSD. So people are doing acid and they're tripping and they just want to drop out of society.

02:35:12.000 So that was going on then too.

02:35:14.000 It's a normal part of human beings to question the people that have power and to reject their authority.

02:35:21.000 It's also funny hearing you talk about it.

02:35:23.000 It makes you think now it's just kind of a different group.

02:35:26.000 The problem is it can't be involved in the dissemination of information.

02:35:30.000 As soon as all that money is involved in information, it can choose what to and what not to talk about.

02:35:37.000 And when you only have an hour, you're only on the show for an hour, it's really easy to conveniently miss some really important stories.

02:35:44.000 It's also inevitable. 0.98

02:35:46.000 I don't even, because I would say it's not even intentional to fuck with, to ignore this. 0.98

02:35:55.000 It's bias. 0.99

02:35:56.000 Could be.

02:35:57.000 It's limitations.

02:35:59.000 Certainly could be.

02:36:00.000 Certainly could be all those things.

02:36:01.000 But it also could be political agenda.

02:36:04.000 That's possible, too.

02:36:05.000 And the thing is, like, you shouldn't be expected to get the news in an hour, especially today, because you're dealing with the news of eight billion people simultaneously, and you're only hearing the bad stuff.

02:36:13.000 You're hearing the bad stuff about typhoons and fucking hurricanes and a new disease and an Animal attack and a lady got ate by a crocodile and you're just never gonna sleep.

02:36:22.000 You're never gonna sleep. 0.97

02:36:23.000 It's coming at you 24-7 all the time and some of it's bullshit and you got to figure out what's what and what's not and you know in some ways you can leave that to other people and but the problem is then some of those people aren't real and then you find out some of those people are hired government misinformation agents that are designed to push a very specific narrative to get people talking about things online. 0.91

02:36:42.000 That's real. 0.88

02:36:42.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:36:43.000 That fucking guy yelling at January 6th, get in, we need to get in there. 1.00

02:36:46.000 That's a real guy. 1.00

02:36:47.000 Yeah.

02:36:48.000 You can watch the video. 0.61

02:36:49.000 So either he's crazy or someone paid him to do that. 0.78

02:36:52.000 Right. 0.72

02:36:53.000 And then who paid him?

02:36:54.000 Was it Russia?

02:36:55.000 Was it China?

02:36:55.000 Or was it America?

02:36:57.000 Or was it Michael Flynn?

02:36:58.000 Or was it QAnon?

02:36:59.000 It's like...

02:37:00.000 And it's getting...

02:37:01.000 It's that thing of trying to... 0.94

02:37:04.000 Overwhelm people so they just go like, I don't fucking know. 0.92

02:37:06.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it is. 0.86

02:37:08.000 And then they don't prosecute. 1.00

02:37:09.000 They just go, I don't fuck it. 1.00

02:37:11.000 It's just too much. 1.00

02:37:12.000 It's a mistrial.

02:37:12.000 I don't know.

02:37:13.000 If you question things, the pushback against people questioning things is always odd to me.

02:37:22.000 You should question pretty much everything.

02:37:25.000 I mean, there's some things that are just lock-solid, absolute, and real.

02:37:29.000 You know, there's science behind them.

02:37:31.000 You can see Hurricane Ian touched down in Florida, did massive devastation and destruction.

02:37:36.000 I'm a denier.

02:37:38.000 I'm an Ian denier.

02:37:39.000 But you're right.

02:37:42.000 Yes.

02:37:43.000 But you're not automatically a hero for questioning, and you're not automatically a sheep for accepting.

02:37:49.000 100%.

02:37:51.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:37:52.000 And by the way, some things you probably should just accept because you don't have time to look into everything.

02:37:56.000 And it's also funny, different neighborhoods of the internet value different things.

02:38:01.000 Yeah.

02:38:01.000 You know, like the taxes thing.

02:38:03.000 You know, taxes.

02:38:04.000 There's people that are like, that's what got Wesley Snipes in trouble.

02:38:06.000 Of course.

02:38:06.000 They were telling him, you don't have to pay taxes.

02:38:08.000 It's not even in the fucking Constitution. 0.99

02:38:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:10.000 Like, oh shit, this is a loophole. 0.99

02:38:11.000 I didn't even know about this. 1.00

02:38:12.000 And then next thing you know, you're in jail.

02:38:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:14.000 Like, pay your fucking taxes. 1.00

02:38:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:38:16.000 Even if they're right, even if you're right, That's one argument you're not going to win. 1.00

02:38:21.000 Yeah, but he didn't think he wasn't going to win.

02:38:24.000 I don't know how he thought he was going to win that one.

02:38:28.000 Because there isn't a law for taxes.

02:38:33.000 Technically.

02:38:34.000 The wildest one is religion.

02:38:35.000 Go on.

02:38:37.000 That they're tax free.

02:38:38.000 The amount of money a guy like Joel Osteen is raking in tax free, does he have to pay any taxes?

02:38:45.000 Does he have to personally pay taxes?

02:38:47.000 How does that work?

02:38:48.000 I actually have no idea.

02:38:50.000 Find out if that's true.

02:38:51.000 I believe that your limited salary, if your church is incorporated.

02:38:57.000 But having churches pay no taxes is wild.

02:39:01.000 But that speaks to stability, where it's like it's cahoots stability.

02:39:08.000 It's like the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments...

02:39:14.000 They're not exactly one-to-one, but it's all kind of, there's no coincidence there.

02:39:19.000 Where it's like everything that they, it's another wing of the, it's a, I used to refer to God as Supercop.

02:39:26.000 Like, we can't be there, but you shan't steal, you shan't, even if there's no cameras, don't steal, don't murder, don't.

02:39:35.000 Right, but the taxes thing is nuts, because Scientology got it.

02:39:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:38.000 Yeah?

02:39:39.000 Yeah, they sued.

02:39:40.000 They sued the federal government, and they got tax-exempt status.

02:39:44.000 And, you know, that's wild, because you know the guy who wrote it.

02:39:49.000 Yeah.

02:39:50.000 One specific guy who is not just...

02:39:54.000 He's the most prolific author in human history.

02:39:57.000 You know that?

02:39:58.000 He published more works of fiction, but not that.

02:40:01.000 That was all real.

02:40:02.000 No, no.

02:40:02.000 I mean, look, guys got to take the day off.

02:40:04.000 And they get no taxes.

02:40:05.000 It's pretty wild.

02:40:06.000 I mean, if you're like a small Lutheran church and you serve the community and you put on charities and do a bunch of great things and you're like a real asset to the community, there's a lot of those churches and they should be tax exempt. 0.99

02:40:17.000 Other than the Sea Org slave shit, I don't care about Scientology. 0.98

02:40:22.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.99

02:40:22.000 I don't think that they charge for classes. 0.99

02:40:25.000 I don't know.

02:40:26.000 They kind of make you give them a tithe at churches.

02:40:29.000 Seems like it's working out for Tom Cruise.

02:40:31.000 It's working out for a lot of them.

02:40:32.000 Seems like it's really working out for Tom Cruise.

02:40:34.000 I don't care.

02:40:37.000 Just don't put people, don't slave people.

02:40:40.000 Yeah, don't do that. 0.99

02:40:41.000 Don't kidnap Kelly Miscavige and all that shit. 0.97

02:40:44.000 Yeah, don't do that. 0.99

02:40:44.000 But the rest of it, I don't care about. 0.99

02:40:46.000 The rest of it's not any different to me than any other religion.

02:40:49.000 It seems like it's real similar to what goes on in a lot of religions, in a sense, because there's a lot of religions that force people to work as missionaries, and there's a lot of religions that ask things of people, and you have to tithe 10%.

02:41:01.000 And have kids and don't use birth control.

02:41:03.000 I'm like, that's pretty significant.

02:41:05.000 Yeah, it's very significant.

02:41:06.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:41:07.000 Punish gay people. 1.00

02:41:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:09.000 Yeah.

02:41:09.000 There's a lot of weird stuff in religions that we just accept.

02:41:13.000 Yeah.

02:41:13.000 Didn't you say that, I think you said this, that when you had a psychedelic experience, you kind of stopped being an atheist?

02:41:20.000 Yeah, I was an atheist.

02:41:22.000 And then ayahuasca journey number four.

02:41:28.000 No, journey number three.

02:41:30.000 Oh, I'm in the presence of God.

02:41:33.000 I'm just in it now.

02:41:34.000 And it's not I mean, again, this is what I experienced, so it's not true or false, but that's your central creation force that I experienced.

02:41:49.000 It didn't have any rules or laws.

02:41:51.000 Did you get a sense of what this whole thing is supposed to be?

02:41:55.000 Like, what are we doing?

02:41:56.000 Like, if there's a central creation force and you interact with it, what does it want?

02:42:01.000 What does it want from us, and what is it doing with life?

02:42:05.000 My experience, this was from the Bufo, not Ayahuasca, which is amazing.

02:42:12.000 Bufo's just too rough for me.

02:42:15.000 I was drowning on incomprehensibility.

02:42:19.000 I don't think it's comprehensible what the purpose is.

02:42:26.000 That's my experience.

02:42:27.000 I don't- I didn't even get love from it.

02:42:30.000 I didn't get hate, I didn't get venom.

02:42:32.000 Yeah, I just got indifference.

02:42:33.000 I just got like- Super powerful.

02:42:35.000 Just power.

02:42:36.000 Force.

02:42:36.000 Yeah, just force.

02:42:38.000 It felt magnetic in a weird way.

02:42:41.000 So is Bufo 5-methoxy?

02:42:43.000 Yeah, it's 5-methoxy DMT. Yeah, 5-MeO, yeah.

02:42:47.000 That is a very different feeling.

02:42:48.000 That's a very different experience.

02:42:50.000 That one, I really thought it was gone.

02:42:52.000 I thought I died.

02:42:53.000 I mean, dude, even when I was here last time, I wasn't totally recovered.

02:42:59.000 I feel like there's some sort of trend in life and in the cosmos of things getting more complex and, you know, I'm not the first person to point this out either, but with human beings in particular,

02:43:17.000 Everything is about technological innovation and things becoming more and more complex and information being more and more accessible and being more and more connected with each other.

02:43:28.000 It seems like a really really obvious trend and if you play that trend out You know a thousand years a hundred thousand years a million years like where where is that going?

02:43:40.000 And is that going on all over the universe?

02:43:42.000 And is that what God's doing?

02:43:44.000 Is God all about this constant state of improvement that it goes on forever?

02:43:50.000 Until you reach like literally like a god-like being Yeah, yeah, that's the thing With with I had a few Kind of rapture?

02:44:09.000 Like, ish?

02:44:10.000 Rapture-ish?

02:44:12.000 I just get the feeling that if, like, when...

02:44:16.000 If there was a rapture or whatever, I just think people would go, wow, this was... 0.99

02:44:20.000 We fucking were really worried about the wrong shit. 1.00

02:44:25.000 For sure. 1.00

02:44:26.000 Like, beyond even our comprehension...

02:44:30.000 Like, beyond our...

02:44:32.000 So far past what we were, like, not even worried about... 0.99

02:44:36.000 Like fucking or war or any of that stuff. 0.97

02:44:38.000 It's like, dude, it's just about this energy field that I couldn't make heads or tails of in terms of like we're supposed to. 0.98

02:44:49.000 Well, if you think of amoebas, if you think of single-celled organisms, they eventually become multi-celled organisms, they develop the ability to move around, and they come on shore, and they evolve and change, and this goes on forever and ever and ever.

02:45:03.000 And then one day in 2022, they're us.

02:45:07.000 That's what we are.

02:45:08.000 We're the most advanced form that we're aware of, of that thing.

02:45:11.000 If that keeps going, Maybe that is what creates the universe itself.

02:45:16.000 Maybe the universe is making itself through us.

02:45:18.000 We're just in this amoeba stage, and we can't even comprehend it.

02:45:22.000 To us, it's like, what are you talking about?

02:45:23.000 We're going to change the world?

02:45:24.000 Like, imagine an amoeba being born in the bottom of a volcano silo, you know, in the bottom of the oceans.

02:45:30.000 I felt like an amoeba on 5amiel.

02:45:32.000 Yeah.

02:45:32.000 Well, you basically probably are.

02:45:34.000 I think we probably all are a version of that in comparison to this ultimate thing that we're going to become.

02:45:40.000 If we do keep evolving, if evolution is a real thing, and it did go from single-celled organisms to what we see now in human beings, if you just keep going, that should get to some place of impossible Energy and power and maybe the universe itself like maybe that's what it's made out of maybe that's how we make things like stars and Maybe the universe itself is born out of this and we're just this really tiny

02:46:10.000 stage This amoeba like stage that will ultimately become the God force of the universe.

02:46:16.000 Maybe that's our ultimate Transition between a physical being into this thing of energy and love and light and power and indifference in many ways to our own plights because it's necessary to achieve this purpose.

02:46:31.000 Like all of our bullshit and maybe all of our struggles and maybe all of our debates about things and trying to figure out what's white and what's wrong and whose philosophy is correct and whose behavior is correct. 0.77

02:46:41.000 Maybe all of that is just trying to get us to that ultimate stage where we're going to be and that's what happens everywhere in the universe. 0.97

02:46:48.000 That's the universe creating itself everywhere all over the place when things get and they have a certain amount of Troubles that they have to deal with whether it's tribal invasions or super volcanoes and Figure it out get to a point where you can become the next thing Yeah,

02:47:06.000 I mean on and on and on and on and on forever.

02:47:09.000 Yeah, I mean that's I would if my Especially my Emmy my five MEO Experience was about having no sense of order whatsoever Meaning I was an amoeba.

02:47:23.000 I didn't know what breathing was.

02:47:25.000 I don't know what direction was.

02:47:26.000 I don't know what sight was.

02:47:26.000 I didn't know fucking Anything yeah, and I was I was drowning on I don't know any I don't know what a thought is and It was really incredibly difficult.

02:47:39.000 It's hard. 0.70

02:47:40.000 That's a hard one.

02:47:40.000 And so that's what I've come away from.

02:47:43.000 One of the things I've come away from it with is this sense of like we're just trying to order things more than anything.

02:47:50.000 Like that's our number one sort of human priority because it's like the best way to survive.

02:47:55.000 Yeah.

02:47:56.000 And I feel like we're ordering for the wrong stuff a lot of the time, but it's inevitable.

02:48:01.000 Well, we're working it out.

02:48:03.000 That's what we're doing.

02:48:04.000 The human animal is like working out in this new territory that we're dealing with, with the internet and with the connection that we have now and the awareness that we have to all the potential dangers of the world and the cosmos and like we're constantly inundated with new threats.

02:48:21.000 You know, the economy is collapsing, the fucking global warming, Jesus Christ, and overpopulation, and it's like never ends.

02:48:30.000 And it's constantly like getting into your mind. 0.99

02:48:33.000 And I think that's a stressor and a test.

02:48:35.000 And I think the human animal has to figure out how to navigate this world and become better at it.

02:48:43.000 And then as it evolves and changes and grows, it's eventually going to be normal.

02:48:47.000 And it's not normal for us because we grew up without it.

02:48:51.000 We grew up with no internet.

02:48:52.000 Yeah.

02:48:52.000 Like, regular, like, animal people.

02:48:55.000 They were animals.

02:48:56.000 Yeah, but I think that even the internet's ordered for the wrong thing.

02:49:01.000 It's ordered for power, it's ordered for money.

02:49:03.000 It's what?

02:49:03.000 It's ordered for?

02:49:04.000 Ordered for.

02:49:05.000 It's like...

02:49:06.000 It's set up for...

02:49:10.000 Facebook, Twitter, these big, you know, because that's kind of how our market capitalism works. 0.97

02:49:18.000 So it's just ordered for the fucking wrong thing. 0.69

02:49:20.000 Because there's more juice in power, money, all that stuff than there is in really anything else. 0.95

02:49:27.000 And we're set up for it.

02:49:28.000 There definitely is a problem with these giant companies that have massive amounts of control over discourse.

02:49:37.000 And they can decide what you can read and not read.

02:49:40.000 They can decide things or disinformation that turn out to be fact.

02:49:44.000 Like the Hunter Biden laptop story that they suppressed off of Twitter. 0.99

02:49:47.000 That's wild shit when you do that. 1.00

02:49:49.000 That is really wild shit. 1.00

02:49:51.000 Because you're deciding you know better. 1.00

02:49:55.000 You know what people deserve to read and not to read.

02:49:58.000 You're not just disseminating information.

02:50:01.000 It's the thing I'm talking about.

02:50:03.000 It's the stability.

02:50:04.000 It's like unfortunately the best analogy is parenting.

02:50:09.000 Where they're lying for a reason.

02:50:12.000 Right, like telling you about Santa Claus.

02:50:13.000 Noble lying.

02:50:14.000 Yeah.

02:50:14.000 So it's like...

02:50:15.000 Noble lying.

02:50:16.000 That's a good way of putting it.

02:50:17.000 Yeah, it's like...

02:50:18.000 It's noble lying, so they felt like they got a lot of disinformation in 2016, so then in 2020 they overcompensate.

02:50:26.000 It's also, you ever see the people that are making these decisions?

02:50:29.000 Like, you know, Project Veritas has done a lot of undercover journalism where they record these people.

02:50:35.000 These people are normal people.

02:50:36.000 Of course they're normal people.

02:50:36.000 They shouldn't have that kind of power.

02:50:37.000 A lot of them are in their 30s and shit. 1.00

02:50:39.000 They're telling you what they do. 1.00

02:50:40.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

02:50:40.000 But we all agree who shouldn't, but no one has an idea of who should.

02:50:46.000 Well...

02:50:47.000 Look, I think banning people for using his picture as a parody and saying he likes to drink his own pee, not a good look for all this free speech stuff.

02:50:59.000 But the idea behind the free speech absolutist mentality is that there's no place where people can have these discussions and exchange these ideas.

02:51:11.000 Without there being extreme bias for one political party and about how that's dangerous for democracy.

02:51:17.000 I think he's right about that.

02:51:18.000 I agree.

02:51:19.000 Yeah, in theory.

02:51:21.000 But it ends up just being a bunch of people yelling the N-word.

02:51:24.000 But there's got to be a way to stop that from happening.

02:51:28.000 And one way might be to make people subscribe. 0.98

02:51:32.000 If you make people pay for it, you're going to get way less people that are having fake accounts that they just use to fuck with people. 0.97

02:51:40.000 You said earlier, money well spent. 0.88

02:51:42.000 Yes, but if you verify it.

02:51:44.000 If you verify it.

02:51:46.000 Like, say if your Twitter account is Neil Brennan and it's tied to your passport.

02:51:49.000 And it's tied to your social security number.

02:51:51.000 Passport.

02:51:52.000 And you can't use another one.

02:51:53.000 Uh-oh.

02:51:54.000 Uh-oh.

02:51:55.000 Joe...

02:51:56.000 Yeah, like, that's the...

02:51:58.000 It's the thing where they said the definition of...

02:52:03.000 The Supreme Court's definition of pornography is, I don't...

02:52:07.000 I know it when I see it.

02:52:08.000 Yeah.

02:52:09.000 That's not a good definition, guy.

02:52:11.000 I know it when I come in my pants.

02:52:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:52:14.000 Like, I know when I see it. 0.95

02:52:15.000 It's like, that's not a fucking... 0.86

02:52:17.000 Trackable definition and that's also it's not real. 0.80

02:52:20.000 Yeah, and that's the that's the thing with even with free speech is like There's so it's like a multi-tentacled it's an octopus with fucking a hundred and thirty two tentacles and yeah like it is It's contradictions and yeah,

02:52:38.000 but yeah, but and you're like yeah, this is I I don't know the solution Yeah, I don't think there's a clear solution and I think that's part of the work that we have to do.

02:52:48.000 We have to work things through and figure things out and I think that people that you can count on to tell you the truth are very important.

02:52:55.000 I think more of those will emerge and I think that'll replace these corporate control things as long as they can stay actually independent because that's one of the things that happens to politicians where politicians are all about for the people and then they get in there and then you got to play ball.

02:53:10.000 You got to play ball.

02:53:11.000 This is the game.

02:53:11.000 Yeah, everybody has to kind of play ball.

02:53:13.000 I mean, in some ways, it's like you wouldn't have had to do that if you were not on Spotify.

02:53:18.000 You wouldn't have had to make those videos.

02:53:19.000 No, I wouldn't have to talk to Neil Young.

02:53:22.000 But do you know the reason why I did that Neil Young one in particular, because I wanted to tell that story about how I quit my job as a security guard because of a Neil Young consequence.

02:53:30.000 Yeah, life is long.

02:53:32.000 That's one of those unintended consequences.

02:53:35.000 But I also understand why they're scared. 0.99

02:53:37.000 My fucking parents were scared too. 0.99

02:53:39.000 And I encouraged them to get vaccinated. 1.00

02:53:41.000 They were scared of it.

02:53:42.000 And they should be.

02:53:43.000 And they should also get vaccinated.

02:53:45.000 It helped them.

02:53:46.000 I'm sure it helped them.

02:53:47.000 And then when they got COVID, I had them treated.

02:53:49.000 I took care of them.

02:53:50.000 I got them vitamins and IV monoclonal antibodies and all that stuff.

02:53:55.000 You got them some Onnit stuff?

02:53:58.000 Got them some Onnit stuff. 0.99

02:53:59.000 Well, you know, they were concerned, and everyone who's fucking 70 years old should be concerned. 1.00

02:54:04.000 That's scary shit. 1.00

02:54:05.000 Yeah, for sure. 1.00

02:54:06.000 And, you know, the problem is that information itself is...

02:54:14.000 It's so hard to get a 100% answer on anything complex.

02:54:20.000 Like the climate.

02:54:21.000 We had a climate guy in yesterday that says, yes, the climate's bad, but there's a lot of things that are worse, and everyone's kind of overreacting to this world being very myopic in our viewpoint, and we really need to look at this in terms of there's a lot of problems that we could create a lot less death and a lot less suffering in the world.

02:54:39.000 We focused on them And there's also solutions that are being implemented that they think is going to mitigate the effects of climate change.

02:54:47.000 So this conversation is like so long and so complex, and most people don't have the time to sort through it. 0.99

02:54:54.000 And if you do, you don't have an expert to talk to, so then you're forced to go just try to read shit online. 0.98

02:54:59.000 So what do you do? 0.99

02:55:00.000 You go to MSNBC. They say, we're all going to die in 12 years.

02:55:03.000 Like, okay.

02:55:03.000 We're all going to die in 12 years.

02:55:05.000 AOC says we're fucked. 1.00

02:55:06.000 We must be fucked. 1.00

02:55:06.000 And then that's your opinion. 1.00

02:55:08.000 And then you argue that at the pub and you fucking argue that at work when there's the guy with the Trump hat who doesn't believe it. 0.71

02:55:14.000 Yeah, and again, we have a finite amount of time. 0.83

02:55:17.000 You don't have enough time to do that.

02:55:18.000 And a finite amount of resources and do my own...

02:55:21.000 Who's got time for this?

02:55:24.000 There are too many important things and too small amount of time.

02:55:29.000 Right, and if you have kids, then cut that time in half.

02:55:33.000 Yeah.

02:55:33.000 Yeah, I mean, and then you have, if you have family members that you're close to, and you're helping them out with things, and then you have friends that have problems, you have calls you have to make, you know, where's your time?

02:55:45.000 How do you have the time to go research whether or not QAnon's real? 0.90

02:55:47.000 Like, how do you have the fucking time? 0.97

02:55:49.000 Yeah, and you're also assuming... 0.99

02:55:52.000 That people are, it's a good faith, trust in people.

02:55:57.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:55:58.000 You don't assume that the guy going to the Capitol is some fucking op. 1.00

02:56:04.000 Yeah, especially if you're so silly that you're there. 1.00

02:56:09.000 You know? 1.00

02:56:15.000 You're so silly. 1.00

02:56:16.000 How silly are you? 1.00

02:56:17.000 On a scale of January 6th. 1.00

02:56:20.000 Here's how silly it was to storm the Capitol.

02:56:22.000 Alex Jones was out there telling people don't go inside. 0.75

02:56:25.000 Wow.

02:56:26.000 He was out there with a bullhorn.

02:56:27.000 Don't go inside!

02:56:28.000 It's a trap!

02:56:29.000 Don't go inside!

02:56:30.000 And they all figured as long as there's a bunch of them, they're not going to get in trouble. 1.00

02:56:35.000 Meanwhile, all of them are fucked. 1.00

02:56:38.000 Those people are doing hard time. 1.00

02:56:40.000 All of them are fucked. 1.00

02:56:41.000 Great. 1.00

02:56:42.000 You can't do that.

02:56:43.000 Nope.

02:56:43.000 You can't do that.

02:56:44.000 You can't storm the fucking Capitol and bust through the doors because you think you're right. 1.00

02:56:47.000 Right. 0.99

02:56:48.000 And by the way, all the Republicans that think it's cool, it's like they were going to kill Ted Cruz and The guy was reading it.

02:56:57.000 If Ted Cruz comes around, he's done.

02:57:00.000 You can't control who's in that group.

02:57:01.000 Of course you can.

02:57:02.000 You can have a hundred psychos amongst a hundred thousand people.

02:57:05.000 Just takes one.

02:57:06.000 Just takes one.

02:57:06.000 One with a gun and there's people with guns.

02:57:08.000 And so then you also have a bunch of people that think it's no big deal.

02:57:14.000 That it's no big deal.

02:57:15.000 It wasn't an insurrection.

02:57:18.000 That's not a peaceful protest. 0.98

02:57:20.000 Peaceful protest is you stand out there, you speak your mind, you hold up signs, you say things, but you don't fucking storm the Capitol.

02:57:27.000 As soon as you do, okay, well now you're opening up the door to people to storm the Capitol after you stormed the Capitol. 0.94

02:57:33.000 This was my argument about that fucking thing they were doing in Seattle, that zone they had where they took over these businesses. 0.94

02:57:40.000 Okay, now you did it with force. 0.97

02:57:42.000 The problem is you're going to institute this beautiful utopia in the middle of Seattle and buildings you don't own that you took over through force. 0.99

02:57:48.000 So what the fuck is going to stop you from... 0.98

02:57:50.000 How are you going to protect yourself from a bigger group, a more powerful group that takes it? 0.99

02:57:53.000 Well, yeah, you've endorsed force.

02:57:55.000 You've endorsed force.

02:57:56.000 You think you've done it for the right reasons because you're a good person.

02:57:59.000 Because your ideology is correct.

02:58:01.000 My force is benevolent.

02:58:02.000 Exactly.

02:58:02.000 They stole the vote!

02:58:03.000 We're going in!

02:58:04.000 You can't do that.

02:58:05.000 You just can't do that.

02:58:07.000 But if someone was instigating them, that changes everything.

02:58:10.000 That's the weird thing they're allowed to do.

02:58:12.000 They're allowed to find someone, manipulate them, get them to do a crime.

02:58:17.000 It's not even a real crime.

02:58:18.000 And then, like, the one about the guy was in Dallas, he was a 19-year-old kid, very gullible.

02:58:23.000 Manson didn't stab anybody.

02:58:25.000 Well, Manson probably did kill one person.

02:58:28.000 Oh, okay.

02:58:28.000 Sorry, okay, but like the- Manson's a long one.

02:58:30.000 Yeah.

02:58:32.000 We know that's another podcast.

02:58:33.000 This kid was a 19-year-old kid.

02:58:35.000 They talked him into igniting a bomb with a cell phone.

02:58:37.000 It wasn't a real bomb.

02:58:38.000 They gave him the bomb.

02:58:39.000 They talked him into the plan. 1.00

02:58:40.000 The FBI mostly talks people into shit. 1.00

02:58:41.000 But this is a wild one. 1.00

02:58:42.000 This guy's in jail forever, right?

02:58:44.000 And they gave him the cell phone.

02:58:45.000 He did it, and they just closed in on him and arrested him.

02:58:49.000 There was no bomb.

02:58:49.000 It was a fake bomb.

02:58:50.000 Yep.

02:58:51.000 They completely entrapped him.

02:58:52.000 Yeah.

02:58:52.000 Totally legal.

02:58:53.000 That's wild.

02:58:54.000 Most of the war on terror was that.

02:58:56.000 But they made a crime.

02:58:58.000 That's what's wild.

02:58:59.000 Like, the crime didn't exist. 0.98

02:59:00.000 It's not like the guy's saying, hey, I'm gonna go blow up this fucking building, and then they swapped his bomb out for a fake one, and then, you know, it was his plan. 0.92

02:59:07.000 This would be an amazing TV show that we cannot never make. 0.98

02:59:10.000 Right.

02:59:11.000 Well, how about the other one where there was the woman who was the governor of the Governor Whitmer?

02:59:15.000 Meg women? 0.94

02:59:16.000 Yeah.

02:59:16.000 They were gonna kidnap her.

02:59:17.000 It turned out like 13 of them were FBI informants. 0.97

02:59:20.000 There was like two real dummies. 0.94

02:59:23.000 So funny. 0.73

02:59:26.000 13 feds!

02:59:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:59:27.000 You ever see the fucking Spider-Man one where the Spider-Man is like pointing at all the different, like, FBI's pointing at the FBI's? 0.99

02:59:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:59:35.000 That kind of shit is crazy that they can do that, that that's legal. 1.00

02:59:38.000 But that's... 1.00

02:59:40.000 The cost of freedom.

02:59:42.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:59:43.000 It's like, that's, you can't, you can't govern, I gotta get out of here, but you can't, Who legislates against it?

02:59:55.000 It's a really good question.

02:59:56.000 It's a really good question.

02:59:57.000 Like, you can't give the power to the government to decide what's real and what's not real, because we know they already lie to us.

03:00:02.000 Like, did you see that Twitter is, like, fact-checking Biden now?

03:00:05.000 Mm-hmm.

03:00:05.000 Which is hilarious.

03:00:06.000 Fine. 0.99

03:00:07.000 Because a lot of the shit he says is not true. 1.00

03:00:08.000 Fine! 1.00

03:00:08.000 That's great. 1.00

03:00:09.000 Yep.

03:00:09.000 So that shows you right there.

03:00:11.000 If the government had full control and they could just tweet whatever they wanted to and not get fact-checked, which they kind of have been able to do before, If they do that, and they're the ones in charge of information, and they can say what can and cannot be said, they'll decide in their best interest.

03:00:26.000 That's why you can't give it to people that are in power.

03:00:29.000 And it's better, although it's chaotic as fuck, to give it and leave it to the people. 0.79

03:00:34.000 It's better. 0.96

03:00:35.000 It's better than giving it to people that are in power, because all they would have to do Is institute some sort of a social credit score system, which would be easy to talk gullible people into doing.

03:00:45.000 And next thing you know, everything is tied into this in terms of what you can do and not do, what you can say and not say.

03:00:51.000 And every time you say something that's out of line, you lose social credit score.

03:00:55.000 Maybe you can't fly.

03:00:56.000 Maybe you can't buy a house.

03:00:58.000 And that's real.

03:00:59.000 And that's why you can't give them access to information.

03:01:02.000 Because if you do, they'll limit the amount of information that stops them from implementing ideas like this.

03:01:08.000 Yes.

03:01:09.000 And the alternative is terrifying in a different way.

03:01:13.000 It's all bad!

03:01:15.000 It's all bad, but I think people are going to work it out.

03:01:17.000 I'm optimistic that we're getting better at this.

03:01:19.000 I hope you're right.

03:01:20.000 I think we're better at this now than we were just a few years ago. 0.97

03:01:23.000 We're better at seeing bullshit, I think, overall. 0.70

03:01:26.000 But I think it's a long process, because it's a long process that we've gone through in a very short period of time. 0.82

03:01:31.000 The process of information distribution, it's like...

03:01:34.000 It's unprecedented, dude.

03:01:36.000 Printing press, and whoa, this is crazy, and then...

03:01:39.000 The radio and television.

03:01:40.000 Now this.

03:01:41.000 Straight up.

03:01:42.000 Just...

03:01:42.000 Yeah.

03:01:43.000 And you're just like...

03:01:44.000 It's DMT, basically.

03:01:45.000 Yeah.

03:01:45.000 It's like a psychedelic information age.

03:01:48.000 Yeah.

03:01:49.000 And we're not really totally prepared for it.

03:01:52.000 And we're not really qualified to manage it, either.

03:01:55.000 Or even built for it.

03:01:57.000 No.

03:01:57.000 Not built for it.

03:01:58.000 Like, you know, that tribal thing of, like, you're only supposed to really know, like, 50 people?

03:02:03.000 Yeah, it's like 150 people.

03:02:04.000 Or is it 150?

03:02:05.000 Yeah.

03:02:06.000 Like, and then once...

03:02:08.000 Dunbar's number.

03:02:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:02:10.000 And my friend Kat always says, like, yeah, once we got out of tribes, we've been kind of fucked. 1.00

03:02:14.000 We're fucked. 1.00

03:02:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:02:15.000 Because the value system... 1.00

03:02:18.000 It's just, what we're ordering for is just the wrong, we're ordering for more people, more commerce, more, more, more, more, more, instead of like, moderation, protect the tribe, this is about the right amount of people we should have,

03:02:34.000 we'll respect the earth, we'll respect the, but it's just, you just need an order, it's just multiple, it's like multipliers that are so far out of control.

03:02:47.000 Yeah.

03:02:48.000 And we're not biologically equipped for it.

03:02:51.000 Yeah.

03:02:51.000 We're biologically equipped for dealing with real threats and real problems in our life.

03:02:55.000 Yeah.

03:02:55.000 And real things that are happening.

03:02:57.000 Local.

03:02:57.000 Yeah, local stuff.

03:02:58.000 Local shit. 0.94

03:02:58.000 Yeah, stuff that's actually affecting you physically. 0.94

03:03:00.000 Yeah.

03:03:00.000 And instead, you're just getting inundated.

03:03:03.000 And we're not ready for it. 0.99

03:03:04.000 And some people are losing their fucking minds because of it. 0.98

03:03:07.000 And I maintain that the people that are engaging primarily in online discussions, like online tweeting and online Facebooking, they're the people that are really losing their minds the most because it's a super unnatural way to interact with the world. 0.99

03:03:20.000 But ironically, I see Glenn, I see Jimmy, I see Matt Tate, I see those guys as some of the biggest American gladiators in that regard. 0.98

03:03:34.000 Which is a bit of like, how do you have the time for all this shit? 0.98

03:03:37.000 But I guess that's part of their job, I guess you would say. 0.96

03:03:40.000 Part of their job is to interact with these ideas and talk to people.

03:03:42.000 Because they have to develop an online following on these social media platforms in order to get out their work.

03:03:48.000 Yeah, it's just perverse.

03:03:49.000 It's a perverse system of rewards.

03:03:52.000 Yeah, I see Matt Taibbi arguing with people sometimes, and I'm like, dude, don't do it.

03:03:57.000 Jimmy's constantly there.

03:03:58.000 Oh, he loves it.

03:03:59.000 Jimmy Dore loves it, though.

03:04:00.000 Yeah.

03:04:01.000 Well, he's a comic, though, too.

03:04:03.000 I know. 1.00

03:04:03.000 You know, he likes fucking around. 1.00

03:04:05.000 It's like, he's funny. 0.99

03:04:06.000 He's a unique voice because he's actually a really funny guy. 0.96

03:04:09.000 And him and Kurt Metzger together are fucking fantastic. 0.57

03:04:12.000 Metzger's one of the greats. 0.98

03:04:13.000 He's so fucking funny. 0.99

03:04:14.000 And when the two of them are together, it's great because they're mocking this shit, but they're also very informed. 1.00

03:04:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:04:21.000 When he's talking about bills and policies.

03:04:23.000 Yeah.

03:04:23.000 He calls everybody out.

03:04:25.000 The people on the left, the people on the right. 0.99

03:04:27.000 He's calling bullshit left and right and right and left. 0.98

03:04:31.000 And he's doing it with funny. 0.98

03:04:32.000 And that's a unique thing. 0.99

03:04:35.000 And he's also, again, not full of shit. 0.98

03:04:37.000 He's not a liar. 0.99

03:04:38.000 And you trust him.

03:04:39.000 He might be wrong.

03:04:40.000 You might disagree with him.

03:04:41.000 But he's not going to lie to you.

03:04:43.000 And that's what I'm hopeful about.

03:04:45.000 I'm hopeful that there's more people like them that just keep emerging. 0.99

03:04:47.000 And that you're going to get a sense of, you know, what the fuck is really going on? 0.96

03:04:53.000 Yeah, I also think there's something to just have in both. 0.93

03:04:56.000 Yeah, there's something to have in both.

03:04:58.000 You know, look, you want real journalism, right?

03:05:01.000 So you want people that are boots on the ground, real journalists, people that are trained, people that are going to give you...

03:05:07.000 And there's a lot of real journalists that are still in a lot of these big publications.

03:05:11.000 And that's what they wanted to do.

03:05:12.000 They don't want to be stars on the internet.

03:05:14.000 They want to go out and do real work.

03:05:16.000 And, you know, that's their passion.

03:05:17.000 That's a real thing, man. 0.68

03:05:19.000 You know, just like there's fucking all sorts of crafts people out there that do all sorts of things that people have been doing forever.

03:05:25.000 Real journalism is still alive. 0.84

03:05:28.000 Yeah, I'd say it's like very alive.

03:05:31.000 It's just if you're controlled by corporations, if it's corporate controlled media, like you have an obligation to that corporation.

03:05:38.000 And if they have a mandate, they have an agenda, and you're not playing along, you're not going to find your way moving up the ladder.

03:05:44.000 It's not going to be good for you.

03:05:45.000 I know.

03:05:46.000 I can.

03:05:47.000 What do you do?

03:05:49.000 If you're a king...

03:05:50.000 I know you've got to get out of here.

03:05:50.000 What time's your flight?

03:05:52.000 6.20.

03:05:53.000 Oh.

03:05:54.000 Yeah, you better wrap this up.

03:05:56.000 But if you could do it, if you could be King Neal...

03:06:00.000 I would get, I would form a jury.

03:06:03.000 A jury?

03:06:04.000 Yeah.

03:06:04.000 Like the Supreme Court?

03:06:06.000 Kind of.

03:06:07.000 Like Jon Stewart's a good example, right?

03:06:11.000 I remember, maybe I told him I heard this, but at a certain point he used to say like, I'm on after robots, I'm on after battle bots, I'm on.

03:06:22.000 He would just kind of poo-poo that he was an information source.

03:06:25.000 Right. 0.97

03:06:26.000 And then at a certain point, I think he realized, like, fuck, alright, this is a bit of a responsibility, and I need fact checkers.

03:06:36.000 There's a guy who works at The Daily Show named Chods, who's like the fact checker guy, and he'll go like, actually, if you're writing a thing, he'll go like, that's not true, that's not true, that's not true, right? 0.78

03:06:45.000 Right.

03:06:47.000 John is a...

03:06:49.000 It's easier for us to say because we know him, right?

03:06:53.000 Like John's a good man.

03:06:55.000 He's a good man.

03:06:56.000 You know what I mean?

03:06:56.000 Like we know him, he's a good man, vibrationally, in the room, good man, ethics, morals, standards, etc., etc., and smart.

03:07:07.000 That's one guy.

03:07:09.000 For the jury, you know what I mean?

03:07:11.000 You might not even agree with him.

03:07:13.000 Of course not.

03:07:14.000 I know.

03:07:15.000 I agree.

03:07:16.000 Well, that's the thing.

03:07:17.000 It's like, and I don't know, I know that there needs to be some sort of human jury.

03:07:22.000 Right.

03:07:22.000 It's just a matter of what are the qualifications.

03:07:24.000 Right, and who gets to be on it, and, you know, who appoints them, and how long do they last?

03:07:28.000 Yes.

03:07:28.000 Like, the Supreme Court thing is wild.

03:07:30.000 It's the dumbest fucking lifetime. 1.00

03:07:33.000 Lifetime. 1.00

03:07:34.000 Lifetime.

03:07:35.000 Lifetime.

03:07:36.000 Can you do...

03:07:37.000 Insane.

03:07:37.000 Can you do something that gets kicked off?

03:07:39.000 Of course.

03:07:40.000 Ethics violations, right?

03:07:41.000 Yep.

03:07:42.000 Stuff like that.

03:07:42.000 Payola.

03:07:43.000 Payola.

03:07:44.000 Yeah.

03:07:45.000 Yeah.

03:07:45.000 Payola.

03:07:46.000 Like, whatever.

03:07:47.000 Just some sort of, you know, board.

03:07:51.000 I don't... 0.99

03:07:51.000 And whenever people form these boards, I think they try to form one of Facebook, and I remember a lot of people like Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher kind of rolling their eyes about, like, these fucking people. 0.99

03:08:02.000 It's like, this board is like... 0.99

03:08:05.000 It's just a hot...

03:08:06.000 these are...

03:08:07.000 Hotly contested!

03:08:08.000 Yeah, and the grey is the grey, grey, grey, deep grey.

03:08:12.000 Sure.

03:08:12.000 It's all deep grey.

03:08:13.000 I don't think that's gonna be the solution.

03:08:15.000 I think the solution, the imperfect solution that we're currently wrestling with is the one.

03:08:20.000 Is let the internet sort it out.

03:08:22.000 Just let it get messy.

03:08:23.000 Let it get messy and figure it out over time and the truth comes to light, you know?

03:08:28.000 Yeah, I just worry that like people will die and institutions will...

03:08:33.000 It's part of the process.

03:08:35.000 It's part of the process.

03:08:36.000 I don't disagree.

03:08:37.000 It's like when you talk about climate change, I think toward the end of our lives, I'd say, let's, what's 2022?

03:08:45.000 I bet in 2060, a billion people die in a decade from From climate change?

03:08:54.000 Yeah.

03:08:55.000 I don't know where you pulled that number out of your house.

03:08:57.000 I don't think anybody thinks it's that high.

03:09:00.000 Well, if you look at migration, it's just going to be so much migration, and then you saw with COVID, our border's closed. 0.99

03:09:09.000 Just shit where it's like, no, you can't come here. 0.99

03:09:12.000 Yeah, but a border wasn't. 1.00

03:09:13.000 No, no, our border wasn't, but Australia's was, China's was. 0.98

03:09:16.000 Like, certain countries would not allow people in, right?

03:09:19.000 If there's a bunch of people in Bangladesh move and they have to get to higher land or cooler land or whatever.

03:09:26.000 Oh, because it gets too hot?

03:09:26.000 Yeah.

03:09:27.000 Or it's flooded.

03:09:29.000 Yeah, there's a lot of problems.

03:09:30.000 And this guy, Bjorn Lomborg, his assertion is that what we need to do is take care of all these people economically, and that the people that are dying in these places are people that don't have access to air conditioning, don't have access to refrigeration.

03:09:43.000 And if we raise them up economically, then you could solve most of those people dying.

03:09:49.000 That was the guy yesterday?

03:09:50.000 And also, he was talking about tuberculosis, how many people died of tuberculosis, and that we could fix that.

03:09:55.000 It's like something like a million people a year.

03:09:57.000 It's really wild.

03:09:57.000 And that it's mostly poor people, and then why aren't we freaking out about that?

03:10:01.000 We freak out about the things we're conveniently freaking out about, and that that's a real issue that we can solve.

03:10:05.000 Well, that's like malaria.

03:10:07.000 Malaria is...

03:10:07.000 Kills like you ever go on like charity navigator and said what the bet most of bang for your buck.

03:10:13.000 It's all malaria.

03:10:14.000 Mosquito nuts.

03:10:15.000 Mosquito nuts.

03:10:16.000 Yeah, he actually talked about that and actually showed the deaths of malaria dying dropping down considerably because of medication because of modern medicine and So there's, you know, I think his really interesting point is that there's a lot of other things that are really bad that we should be concentrating on as well.

03:10:33.000 And we're very narrow-minded in our focus on this.

03:10:36.000 And it becomes the cause of the day and everybody like, you have to be all on board with this.

03:10:41.000 And if you really wanted to save lives, he's like, there's a lot of other things that we could do and we can implement very quickly and easily and save lives.

03:10:47.000 And we also would probably elevate people economically, which would in turn allow them to have Measures in place to protect them from environmental situations like extreme heat and drought and things like that and he thinks a lot of it can be done with innovation.

03:11:03.000 It's very complicated.

03:11:05.000 It's also so much of it, as you talk about this stuff, so much of it is about persuasion.

03:11:12.000 Yeah, a lot of it is about persuasion.

03:11:14.000 Mike, okay, we want to try telling American taxpayers that we're going to send air conditioners to Bangladesh.

03:11:23.000 Well, I think the idea is you bring their economy up somehow.

03:11:27.000 And if you bring their economy up, then they can afford things.

03:11:31.000 That's what he's saying. 0.91

03:11:32.000 He's saying, like, there's these places that have, like, they're completely economically disenfranchised and they're fucked and they have no hope and there's no options.

03:11:39.000 If we created options in those places and helped, you know, were incentivized to help these people, then their way of life would improve radically.

03:11:50.000 And as their way of life improves radically and the economy improves radically, you have way less deaths.

03:11:55.000 You have way less deaths from disease, way less deaths from crime, way less deaths from a lot of these things.

03:11:59.000 Yeah, and then...

03:12:01.000 Good point.

03:12:01.000 Yeah, of course.

03:12:02.000 And he was saying economically it's more feasible, too.

03:12:05.000 It's very difficult to just...

03:12:06.000 We're going to turn on your economy.

03:12:07.000 Well, no one's saying it's easy.

03:12:09.000 Yeah.

03:12:09.000 That's the other thing he was saying.

03:12:11.000 He was like, none of these solutions are easy, but these are other things that we should be...

03:12:16.000 If our concern is quality of life and raising up people's quality of life and giving them more of a chance to live, making life safer for them, making things easier for them, he's like, this is a good way to go about doing that.

03:12:28.000 And in turn, it will greatly reduce the deaths.

03:12:33.000 And these are all preventable deaths, and we can greatly reduce those.

03:12:37.000 And it's a real cause and effect thing.

03:12:39.000 You could actually get to doing that.

03:12:41.000 So if our main concern is loss of life, we should really be concerned with that as well.

03:12:45.000 That's what he's saying.

03:12:46.000 He's not saying at all that climate change isn't a problem.

03:12:49.000 He's definitely not saying that it's not caused by man.

03:12:52.000 My also take on this is like, it's just a shame.

03:12:55.000 Do you know what I mean?

03:12:56.000 I'm not saying like, I'm not hectoring and like, you need Joe Rogan, what are you drinking?

03:13:01.000 It's not sustainable.

03:13:03.000 Coffee's sustainable. 0.98

03:13:04.000 What I'm saying is like, man, this is a fucking shame because human life... 0.97

03:13:11.000 Human energy is a precious, great thing. 0.99

03:13:14.000 It's precious.

03:13:15.000 We have so much of it. 1.00

03:13:16.000 Yeah, and to fuck up the earth like this, Ah, what a fucking shame. 0.99

03:13:22.000 Well, it's obviously short-sighted and it's obviously people that started doing things a long time ago that they didn't give a fuck about the future or the other people that I deal with the consequences or they didn't realize it was causing those consequences. 0.99

03:13:35.000 He was a little flippant about fracking.

03:13:37.000 I was like, man, they seem to read a lot about the pollution that's caused by fracking.

03:13:42.000 It seems pretty bad.

03:13:43.000 And he was like, well, relatively speaking, you know, there was a lot of like Glass half full.

03:13:49.000 So I guess I get it's important to hear that position too. 0.95

03:13:53.000 But yeah, ultimately it's a fucking shame what we've done to the environment. 0.98

03:13:57.000 It's a shame. 0.93

03:13:58.000 You know, he's also saying that a lot of the stuff that's floating in the ocean is not simply like our stuff that washes the shore. 0.99

03:14:04.000 He's like, it's these freighter ships just dump their shit in the ocean. 0.99

03:14:09.000 Just dump garbage. 1.00

03:14:11.000 It's like, that's what countries have done.

03:14:13.000 You know, that's how the whole, the Somali pirates, do you know how that all got started?

03:14:18.000 They call themselves the People's Coast Guard of Somalia.

03:14:21.000 That's what they originally started calling themselves.

03:14:23.000 I like them.

03:14:24.000 Go on.

03:14:25.000 These Europeans and Russians and all these people from other countries were dumping toxic waste off their shores, and it killed all their fish. 1.00

03:14:33.000 They were fishermen.

03:14:35.000 These people were illegally fishing in their waters.

03:14:37.000 They were dumping toxic waste in their waters and killing their livelihood. 0.99

03:14:41.000 And these people were like, what the fuck are we going to do? 0.96

03:14:42.000 And so, you know what? 1.00

03:14:44.000 Next time we catch a boat that's doing that, we're going to kidnap these motherfuckers. 1.00

03:14:47.000 And we're going to demand a ransom because of the damage they've done. 1.00

03:14:50.000 And they did that.

03:14:51.000 It was successful. 1.00

03:14:52.000 They're still like, fuck it. 1.00

03:14:52.000 Let's just become kidnappers. 1.00

03:14:53.000 Yeah.

03:14:53.000 Well, no, and then they're like, well, don't worry about the environmental stuff.

03:14:57.000 It's a fucking kidnap, motherfuckers. 1.00

03:14:58.000 Well, they've destroyed the waters over there. 1.00

03:15:00.000 They've destroyed the waters by dumping toxic waste over there.

03:15:03.000 Who knows how much devastation they've caused doing that.

03:15:06.000 But that's what caused them.

03:15:08.000 The narrative that we always got is, oh, Somali pirates, they're taking that cat stuff, which is like some crazy amphetamine, natural amphetamine.

03:15:19.000 They're just jacked up on meth, robbing people.

03:15:21.000 That's not what it was.

03:15:22.000 Yeah, I believe it.

03:15:24.000 Everything starts off great.

03:15:28.000 They were just fishermen. 1.00

03:15:29.000 They were fucked. 1.00

03:15:31.000 They were forced into this life. 1.00

03:15:33.000 And if you could go over there and fix the water situation and try to help those people, you'd have way less of that.

03:15:43.000 It's like there's a lot of things that need to be done all over the world and it's almost too much to pay attention to.

03:15:49.000 You could get completely lost.

03:15:51.000 You just have to like kind of pick one.

03:15:52.000 Yeah.

03:15:54.000 You just have to major in a thing and then focus on that.

03:15:57.000 You know what I recommend?

03:15:58.000 I recommend people watch your Netflix special.

03:16:00.000 It'll be a nice little vacation.

03:16:01.000 It was about an hour.

03:16:03.000 It's about an hour and two.

03:16:04.000 Hour and two minutes.

03:16:04.000 Yep.

03:16:05.000 And you can have a nice little break from all the existential stress.

03:16:08.000 There's some existential stress in there, but there's some facts.

03:16:11.000 There's some fun.

03:16:12.000 There we go.

03:16:13.000 Nice artwork.

03:16:14.000 The old Brennan blocks. 0.94

03:16:15.000 You're goddamn right. 0.95

03:16:17.000 And again, this is like, you're almost like you're doing a one-man show slash stand-up. 0.97

03:16:22.000 Yeah.

03:16:22.000 This is heavy.

03:16:24.000 This is 55 minutes of stand-up and then five minutes of just like, oh, oh.

03:16:30.000 I think it's a little heavy.

03:16:31.000 Oh, yeah.

03:16:32.000 And super heavy.

03:16:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:16:35.000 Why did you want, did you just have a vision creatively or is this how it started coming together?

03:16:40.000 Because I'm pretty good at writing that kind of heavy shit, and I talk about mental health stuff and people like when I talk about it, so it just seemed like a use of things I can do.

03:16:55.000 Like, I'm good at that, and I'm good at that. 0.87

03:16:58.000 So let me just kind of mix them into a...

03:17:01.000 So it's not just...

03:17:03.000 I would say most stand-up shows are like a press conference.

03:17:06.000 Yeah.

03:17:07.000 For like an hour, I'm just like, and another thing!

03:17:11.000 A comedy press conference, and just like, this is like a press conference, and there's like a little narrative in it.

03:17:17.000 Okay, beautiful.

03:17:18.000 I can't wait to watch it.

03:17:19.000 You're a very funny dude, man.

03:17:20.000 I always enjoyed watching you at the Comedy Store.

03:17:22.000 You're one of the few comics that I miss, like, seeing your sets.

03:17:25.000 Yeah, you too.

03:17:26.000 It's good to be around you every now and again, though.

03:17:28.000 Thanks, buddy.

03:17:29.000 Good to see you, buddy.

03:17:30.000 Neil Brennan, ladies and gentlemen.

03:17:31.000 And check out his Netflix special.

03:17:33.000 Alright, bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 15, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1898 - Neal Brennan

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