The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1927 - Forrest Galante

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00:00:12.000 What's up, buddy?

00:00:13.000 Hey, bro.

00:00:13.000 Still alive.

00:00:14.000 You are still alive.

00:00:15.000 This is a truthful title to this book.

00:00:17.000 That's true. 0.69

00:00:17.000 It's ridiculous, but it's true. 0.69

00:00:19.000 And it's catchy. 0.92

00:00:19.000 That's the whole point. 0.92

00:00:21.000 Dude, I watched your show the other day, the television show.

00:00:24.000 What is the television show?

00:00:25.000 Mysterious Creatures?

00:00:26.000 Yes.

00:00:27.000 The new one?

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:27.000 And you were looking for some wolf thing?

00:00:30.000 The red wolf.

00:00:31.000 Yeah.

00:00:32.000 But they didn't think it was a red wolf.

00:00:33.000 They thought it was like some mystical beast.

00:00:35.000 An Ozark howler.

00:00:36.000 Oh, my goodness.

00:00:37.000 Which, you know, I mean, wolves do howl.

00:00:40.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 No, that was an interesting story.

00:00:42.000 If you look at the timeline from when this cryptid, this howler popped up, it's right when the red wolf was starting to plummet in its numbers.

00:00:51.000 And as soon as wolves plummet, they call to each other, right?

00:00:53.000 They howl.

00:00:54.000 Oh.

00:00:55.000 That makes sense.

00:00:56.000 So it's like, oh, we're hearing this thing and the spooky thing that we've seen running around the woods.

00:00:59.000 And it's like, well, yeah, it's wolves trying to find each other.

00:01:03.000 And it happened to also overlap with when moonshining was like a big deal.

00:01:07.000 So they perpetuated the rumor of the howler to keep people out of the woods.

00:01:12.000 Right.

00:01:12.000 So it like checked all these boxes to like make up this animal.

00:01:15.000 Is there any cryptid that you find compelling?

00:01:19.000 Just the...

00:01:20.000 I think we talked about it before, the Megatherium, the giant ground sloth in Peru.

00:01:24.000 Yeah.

00:01:25.000 That's the only one...

00:01:26.000 I mean, depends what you define as cryptid, right?

00:01:28.000 Like, I'm not a Bigfoot guy or Loch Ness monster, but...

00:01:32.000 Thylacine could be considered a cryptid, right?

00:01:34.000 Yeah, because it was alive, we do have video footage of it, and there's been a bunch of sightings.

00:01:38.000 Yes, but now you have all these Bigfoot-esque people, right?

00:01:43.000 All these sort of tinfoil hat guys who are like, it's here, I've seen it, or whatever.

00:01:46.000 And so it's like started to fade into this cryptid realm.

00:01:50.000 And I still think that in Papua New Guinea, there could be an extant population.

00:01:54.000 Why in Papua New Guinea?

00:01:56.000 So they used to range...

00:01:57.000 We got right into this.

00:01:58.000 This is great, by the way.

00:01:59.000 So they used to range from PNG, from New Guinea, all the way down to Tasmania.

00:02:03.000 And then as people came over, they brought dingoes with them, right?

00:02:06.000 And this was like 4,000 years ago.

00:02:08.000 And then the dingoes out-competed the thylacine in mainland Australia and, in theory, in Papua New Guinea.

00:02:14.000 But dingoes were never introduced into Tasmania, which is why thylacine occurred for so much longer in Tasmania.

00:02:20.000 Hmm.

00:02:21.000 Yeah.

00:02:41.000 For people who don't know what a thylacine is, it's a Tasmanian tiger.

00:02:45.000 Yeah.

00:02:46.000 It's a marsupial wolf, crazy jaw, stripes.

00:02:49.000 Crazy jaw.

00:02:50.000 Really wild looking.

00:02:52.000 180 degrees.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:53.000 Cool looking animal.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:56.000 So when you talk about cryptids and blah, blah, blah, I still think that these animals could be out there.

00:03:01.000 Didn't you go looking for one at one point in time?

00:03:04.000 Twice.

00:03:05.000 Twice.

00:03:05.000 And did you have any sightings or any, at least, I mean, amongst the people that you were around, or any credible reports?

00:03:12.000 No.

00:03:13.000 Well, reports, yes.

00:03:14.000 I mean, there's a guy named Nick Mooney, who is like an incredible, that's Benjamin, the last living thylacine in the zoo in Hobart, Tasmania.

00:03:23.000 A guy named Nick Mooney, who's like...

00:03:27.000 A state biologist, a renowned naturalist and biologist who has no reason to make this up or anything, and he swears that he saw one in Tasmania about 25 years ago.

00:03:38.000 And he's like, I know every animal in Tasmania.

00:03:41.000 I am a biologist.

00:03:42.000 I work with Fish and Game or whatever their equivalent is.

00:03:46.000 He's like, why would I make this up?

00:03:47.000 He's like, I didn't even tell anybody for a year or two because I didn't want to be called a kook.

00:03:51.000 Wow.

00:03:52.000 And then he came out with it and sort of began this whole thing.

00:03:55.000 But yeah, I mean, definitely some credible sighting.

00:03:58.000 How would one even do a survey of those areas?

00:04:02.000 If you're talking about like rainforests and tropical jungles and just dense wooded areas, how would one even find what's in there?

00:04:13.000 And for the most part, unexplored too, especially when it comes to PNG and Western Papua.

00:04:18.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:04:19.000 I think that's the barrier to entry, right?

00:04:21.000 Anybody can go to Tasmania, drive down a highway and be like, oh, I looked and I didn't find it, which is basically what I did.

00:04:26.000 But to get into those places that they could be extant...

00:04:30.000 Requires helicopter support, refuels, tons of local ground support, you know, like local hunters and tribal people that know the land.

00:04:39.000 And so it's a big, expensive operation to try and get into these places.

00:04:43.000 And then, that's just getting in, then you'd pepper it with trail cameras, baited cameras, you'd do some scent trailing, some sound calling, you know, all these, I mean, you're a hunter, you know these techniques.

00:04:53.000 Well, it's interesting because we know that mountain lions are real, but most people don't ever see a mountain lion.

00:04:59.000 Right.

00:05:00.000 And a lot of people that live in, like, these heavily wooded areas don't see mountain lions.

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:05.000 Like, it's hard to find one, and they're everywhere.

00:05:08.000 They live in our cities. 0.94

00:05:08.000 Yeah, there's a shit ton of them. 0.94

00:05:10.000 Yeah.

00:05:10.000 So you might get lucky and catch one, but the populations are pretty great in terms of, like...

00:05:16.000 Right.

00:05:17.000 Like, if you're in Colorado or if you're in Utah, I mean, they have a lot of mountain lions, and it's very rare that you see one.

00:05:23.000 So imagine if there was a very small population of mountain lions or Tasmanian tigers, and you went looking in a much more wooded area, much more dense environment.

00:05:34.000 Much larger, too.

00:05:35.000 Huge swaths of unpopulated land.

00:05:38.000 And if they were intelligent and cryptic like a mountain lion, which they probably were because they were at the top of the food chain, they know and they choose not to be seen.

00:05:47.000 Like P-22, right?

00:05:48.000 The mountain lion that lived in LA. We have a big photo of him out here.

00:05:52.000 The one with the Hollywood sign?

00:05:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:54.000 That's a great picture.

00:05:55.000 I love that photo.

00:05:57.000 He's dead now.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:59.000 Did they kill him?

00:06:00.000 Did they euthanize him?

00:06:00.000 They euthanized him, yeah.

00:06:02.000 Something's wrong with him, right?

00:06:03.000 He was badly injured or something?

00:06:04.000 I think he got hit by a car.

00:06:07.000 I think.

00:06:07.000 Don't quote me on that.

00:06:08.000 But yeah, some injury.

00:06:09.000 I think it was a car strike.

00:06:11.000 And he was an old cat as well.

00:06:13.000 So, yeah.

00:06:14.000 What do you think of the Orang Pendek?

00:06:17.000 I think it's interesting.

00:06:18.000 Have you ever seen that motorcycle video?

00:06:20.000 Where the guy's on the motorcycle and he sees the little guy run across?

00:06:23.000 Yeah.

00:06:24.000 So that's supposed to be Orang Pendek, right?

00:06:27.000 Well, let's see if we can find that.

00:06:28.000 Sure.

00:06:28.000 That one is weird because...

00:06:31.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:06:32.000 Like, is that real?

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 It's so...

00:06:36.000 And is this a kid?

00:06:37.000 You know?

00:06:38.000 That one looks over-embellished.

00:06:41.000 But if you watch the actual video...

00:06:43.000 Yeah, so this is the video I've seen.

00:06:47.000 I think that we love humanoids.

00:06:49.000 Like, as a species, we love the idea...

00:06:52.000 Just play the video.

00:06:52.000 It doesn't play.

00:06:53.000 It's all still frames.

00:06:54.000 All of it?

00:06:55.000 It's all someone talking about this.

00:06:56.000 It's not the video.

00:06:57.000 Oh, well, that looks so fake.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, it does.

00:07:00.000 That's a still frame of it?

00:07:03.000 But that could just be a naked dude.

00:07:05.000 Totally. 0.98

00:07:05.000 That could be a crazy person. 0.98

00:07:07.000 That totally looks like a dude.

00:07:07.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 That doesn't even look that hairy.

00:07:09.000 But I think...

00:07:11.000 Look at the proportions.

00:07:12.000 Looks like a person.

00:07:13.000 Did they have something to judge it by?

00:07:16.000 I've seen the actual video though, Jamie.

00:07:18.000 See if we can find the actual video because that's not it.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, this is the same one I've seen.

00:07:24.000 I think in relation to the motorcycle and the guy, even though there's some forced perspective, it's tiny.

00:07:32.000 So it looks like a dude, but that would be like a four foot tall guy.

00:07:36.000 So here's these guys, they're on this motorcycle, racing along.

00:07:41.000 Was that the one?

00:07:42.000 I felt like it ran across before.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, that one looks fake.

00:07:46.000 This one looks fake.

00:07:47.000 That one looks like a full-on setup.

00:07:50.000 The guys slow their bike down just in time.

00:07:53.000 Yeah, this one's nonsense.

00:07:56.000 What?

00:07:57.000 Well, that was where it ran across the road.

00:08:00.000 The one that I saw, though, I thought it was dark-haired.

00:08:02.000 And it ran like this way across the road, right?

00:08:04.000 Yeah, and it was a very quick and brief video.

00:08:07.000 Same.

00:08:07.000 That's the one that I'm thinking of as well.

00:08:09.000 17 million views.

00:08:10.000 Well, maybe this is probably it then.

00:08:13.000 But I don't... 1.00

00:08:14.000 It's hard to remember because I've seen so many stupid fucking videos. 1.00

00:08:19.000 But I seem to remember it looking almost like an ape person. 0.99

00:08:25.000 I think, my opinion, and I'm not really, you know, I'm not really qualified to speak on, like, these humanoid cryptid things, but, like, we have Khoisan in southern Africa, right?

00:08:35.000 The small Bushman?

00:08:36.000 Mm-hmm.

00:08:45.000 Right.

00:08:47.000 Right.

00:08:56.000 From going out with a spear to going on a hunt and deciding to continue going, and then he crosses a road, you know, and now it's become a Bigfoot, Oran Pendek, or whatever, because he gets startled.

00:09:06.000 Maybe he's doing something illegal or wrong or whatever and runs.

00:09:10.000 Somebody catches it on their helmet cam, and now it's perpetuating into this big thing.

00:09:14.000 Or they see it in low light.

00:09:16.000 They see it at dawn.

00:09:17.000 Yeah, if you think about that island of Flores, though, that's where things get interesting.

00:09:25.000 Mia Flores, right?

00:09:26.000 Well, the Homo floriensis.

00:09:29.000 How do you say it?

00:09:30.000 I'm not sure.

00:09:32.000 I think it's Homo floriensis.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:09:35.000 Floriensis.

00:09:36.000 But that's the little hobbit person that they've confirmed lived alongside people as recently as... 0.99

00:09:43.000 I forget how long ago.

00:09:45.000 It's like 8,000 or 10,000 years ago or something like that.

00:09:47.000 They think it was fairly recent.

00:09:49.000 Yeah.

00:09:49.000 Within, you know, like after the Ice Age.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:53.000 Which is pretty crazy.

00:09:54.000 Yeah.

00:09:55.000 I mean, you know, and there are across the human species, there are so many diverse looking cultures and tribes and peoples, right?

00:10:03.000 We're all humans, but, you know, Aboriginal people, African people, Indonesian people, Asian people, we all look different, you know, and we all have You have these own distinct characteristics.

00:10:13.000 And so to think about, you know, imagine being a Westerner or whatever, being an Indonesian like in that video, and then you see someone who looks so different than your own culture, and you're not expectant of it. 0.65

00:10:26.000 It's very easy to let your imagination turn into this whole other species, this cryptic thing, versus like, maybe this is someone from a different tribe who's in a different area.

00:10:36.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:10:36.000 I'm just saying it's...

00:10:38.000 And then there's also, they keep finding new extinct species of humans, right?

00:10:43.000 Like Denisovans and all.

00:10:45.000 I think there was another one that they found recently that they're trying to figure out what it is.

00:10:50.000 But they're very human-like in terms of Homo sapien-like, but a slightly different branch of the chain.

00:10:56.000 Yeah, with different, like, jaw morphologies or cranium shapes or whatever.

00:11:00.000 And, yeah, I think we used to, up until 15, 20 years ago, only think that there was, like, two or three species of humanoid ever.

00:11:08.000 Right.

00:11:08.000 Right?

00:11:09.000 And now there's, like, I want to say eight species.

00:11:11.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.000 Which is pretty crazy.

00:11:12.000 Well, that leads me to Bigfoot.

00:11:14.000 Because I think that all these stories of Bigfoot, I think like the Native Americans have a bunch of different names for some creature that lives, some large hairy creature.

00:11:24.000 And we know about Gigantopithecus.

00:11:27.000 I think that's what that is.

00:11:29.000 I think people just have a distant memory of it.

00:11:31.000 Like a remnant memory that's evolved over time.

00:11:34.000 Yeah, which is probably the same thing as dragons, and I know we talked about that before.

00:11:37.000 We talked about that, yeah.

00:11:39.000 And also, by the way, it could be the same thing as thylacine, going back to that, right?

00:11:43.000 Like, they could have been in PNG, where these tribes are still talking about them 4,000 years ago, and this lore of the striped dog that sounds weird, that has this funny jaw, has been passed down generation to generation, To the point where somebody's out on a hunt or a walk and they see a flash and they go,

00:12:01.000 oh, that was that striped dog my grandfather told me about.

00:12:03.000 Now it's real.

00:12:04.000 I saw a squirrel once in Alberta and for a full second I thought it was a wolf.

00:12:13.000 Please tell me how that happened.

00:12:16.000 I was looking for wolves.

00:12:17.000 Yeah.

00:12:17.000 I was looking for it to be a wolf.

00:12:19.000 I definitely saw a wolf once.

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 And it was pretty cool.

00:12:22.000 It was either a wolf or a large coyote, but I'm pretty sure it was a wolf.

00:12:25.000 In Alberta?

00:12:26.000 Yeah.

00:12:27.000 Because it was at dusk and it ran across the road.

00:12:31.000 And I was with Cam Haynes and we both noticed it.

00:12:33.000 It looked like a wolf.

00:12:35.000 Just too big and stocky.

00:12:36.000 But it was, you know, distant, getting dark.

00:12:39.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 Hard to tell.

00:12:40.000 But they're up there.

00:12:41.000 There's a shit ton of them. 0.78

00:12:42.000 For sure.

00:12:42.000 I mean, they have tons of trail cameras on them.

00:12:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:45.000 And they see them there all the time.

00:12:46.000 But I saw this thing run across this downed tree.

00:12:53.000 And it was the tail of this squirrel.

00:12:57.000 And for a full second, I was like, oh my god, is that a wolf fur? 1.00

00:13:02.000 That's a fucking squirrel. 1.00

00:13:04.000 God, you're dumb. 1.00

00:13:05.000 That was like... 1.00

00:13:07.000 That was how it played out in my mind.

00:13:08.000 But you had already made it to be a wolf in your head.

00:13:11.000 Of course!

00:13:11.000 And if you hadn't seen the rest of the squirrel, you had always seen a wolf.

00:13:15.000 Oh yeah, I saw a wolf, bro.

00:13:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:17.000 Which is what I think people do with black bears that stand up on hind legs, and they see Bigfoot.

00:13:23.000 Black panthers.

00:13:24.000 You see a house cat run across the road out in the woods, and it's black, and the perspective, you don't have any scale, and you go, I saw a black panther.

00:13:31.000 Yep.

00:13:31.000 Yeah.

00:13:32.000 But I mean, the wolf thing is interesting because it's like, you know, they're reintroducing wolves in different parts of America and now they're trying to do it to Colorado.

00:13:44.000 And it's like, I hope you guys know what you're doing.

00:13:48.000 Because this idea that you're going to be able to control their populations once you reintroduce them, you're not even going to find them.

00:13:55.000 Correct.

00:13:56.000 And I mean, we've seen a wolf pack, I'm blanking on the name of it now, but it's moved all the way down from Washington through Oregon.

00:14:02.000 Now it's all the way to Central California.

00:14:05.000 San Luis Obispo County, Central California.

00:14:07.000 Really?

00:14:08.000 I don't think they're resident, but they've dipped in because we have tracking collars on them, right?

00:14:12.000 Wow.

00:14:12.000 So they've come all the way from Washington, all the way through Oregon.

00:14:15.000 San Luis Obispo.

00:14:17.000 Isn't that wild?

00:14:18.000 Wow.

00:14:18.000 Yeah.

00:14:20.000 They're amazing.

00:14:21.000 Incredible.

00:14:21.000 And they are helpful to the environment.

00:14:23.000 You know, they do fill a role.

00:14:25.000 And they out-compete the coyotes and, you know, their population's insane. 0.85

00:14:28.000 They'll also kill your kids. 0.99

00:14:29.000 They'll also kill your kids. 1.00

00:14:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:31.000 They can. 1.00

00:14:31.000 I mean, they are fucking predators, and they don't have any rules. 1.00

00:14:34.000 Like, we are so goofy and naive when it comes to the idea of predators. 1.00

00:14:38.000 We think, like, well, we have an agreement, a spoken agreement with the people of the forest.

00:14:46.000 Living beings of the forest, I am your friend.

00:14:49.000 I used to live in Boulder, Colorado, and there's this lady I knew who was a yoga instructor. 0.99

00:14:53.000 That says a lot.

00:14:55.000 I told her.

00:14:55.000 She was the best.

00:14:57.000 I told her that I saw a mountain lion.

00:14:59.000 She goes, well, when I go into the woods, I literally say a prayer, and I let the creatures of the woods know.

00:15:07.000 I know them, and I offer no harm.

00:15:12.000 I am there only to just peacefully walk amongst them.

00:15:16.000 I am not a threat. 1.00

00:15:17.000 I'm like, you shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:15:19.000 Go for a walk through the African bush for one night and see how well that does. 1.00

00:15:23.000 What are you talking about, lady? 1.00

00:15:25.000 You zig and you could have zagged and you run into a bear and you're fucking dead. 1.00

00:15:29.000 100%. 1.00

00:15:30.000 They eat yoga instructors too.

00:15:32.000 This idea that you're going to like, I send out a message of peace.

00:15:38.000 We've become so jaded in the sense of, like, nature is in harmony and balance.

00:15:45.000 That's like this Western idea of, like, everything so harmonious in nature.

00:15:49.000 It's terrifying.

00:15:50.000 It's the opposite, you know? 1.00

00:15:52.000 It's such a dumb perspective. 0.99

00:15:53.000 It is. 1.00

00:15:54.000 It's so misinformed.

00:15:55.000 It's just based on idealistic perspectives.

00:15:58.000 It's based on, you know, this idea of a utopia that exists in the woods.

00:16:02.000 It's just not.

00:16:03.000 It's tooth, fang, and claw.

00:16:04.000 Correct. 1.00

00:16:05.000 It's fucking chaos. 0.99

00:16:06.000 It's also based on disconnect, in my opinion. 1.00

00:16:08.000 If you've spent time in the wild, if you've spent time, I don't care if you're fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, whatever, but somewhere that is really raw, you're like, holy shit, no. 0.88

00:16:20.000 It's not all Shangri-La out here. 0.97

00:16:22.000 It is eat or be eaten.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, not at all.

00:16:27.000 No other video of the Orang Pendex?

00:16:29.000 That seems to be it.

00:16:30.000 I found a video that looks less fake, but it's the same video, so it just did a better job.

00:16:34.000 Alright, let's see what that one looks like.

00:16:35.000 It looks less fake.

00:16:37.000 Oh, actually, I just lost it, I'll be honest with you.

00:16:39.000 I have the one that we looked up.

00:16:41.000 It's that video.

00:16:42.000 It's the same one?

00:16:43.000 All the stories, all the Daily Mail, everything goes back to that video.

00:16:46.000 Oh, okay.

00:16:46.000 Must have been that.

00:16:47.000 I think I might have seen just a clip of it.

00:16:49.000 Probably.

00:16:49.000 Not that longer.

00:16:50.000 Yeah.

00:16:51.000 Yeah, they probably didn't show the one where he's running on the road itself because it looks so fake. 0.99

00:16:55.000 So it looks like shit. 0.99

00:16:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:16:56.000 Versus the one where he darts across. 0.99

00:16:58.000 Yeah, it looks like a naked person.

00:17:00.000 Yeah, it does.

00:17:01.000 Like a person in a spandex costume.

00:17:03.000 No. 0.97

00:17:04.000 Dude, I went to a wedding in downtown Los Angeles a couple years ago, and there was a guy, probably had a mental illness, but he was like 6'5", walking down downtown LA, butt naked with this massive schlong just bouncing between his knees. 1.00

00:17:19.000 It looked like a different species to me.

00:17:20.000 I mean, this huge beard, like 6'5", massive dude just trotting down the street of LA. If you saw that in the woods, going in between the trees from a distance, you'd say, oh my god, there's giants in the woods.

00:17:32.000 I'm a Bigfoot believer like that.

00:17:34.000 If I had seen that exact guy cruising through a park, cruising out in the woods, I'm a believer.

00:17:39.000 Especially if he's covered in dirt and it's dark out.

00:17:43.000 Exactly. 0.79

00:17:44.000 Well, mentally ill people do wind up moving to the woods.

00:17:47.000 It's happened.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, I mean, it happens all the time.

00:17:50.000 I remember there was this one guy who was famous in Maine for, he was a legend, that he would break into people's houses and steal their stuff.

00:18:01.000 And then they found out that he was a real person.

00:18:04.000 And he had dropped out of society in like the 1970s.

00:18:10.000 And just decided to completely live by himself.

00:18:14.000 Like, he didn't talk to people for decades.

00:18:16.000 Oh, wow.

00:18:17.000 And he was by himself, alone in a tent in the woods, and he would just steal stuff from people's houses when they weren't around.

00:18:24.000 Wow.

00:18:24.000 Yeah, and like...

00:18:26.000 We're good to go.

00:18:45.000 Undiscovered and unaided, breaking into camps to steal what he needed to survive.

00:18:49.000 When he finally captured and arrested in April 2013, the story of the North Pond Hermit made headlines worldwide.

00:18:58.000 But Knight spoke only to one journalist, Michael Finkel.

00:19:01.000 In an exclusive excerpt from his new book, Finkel explains the origins of the whispered myth that haunted central Maine for decades, the legend of the stranger in the woods.

00:19:12.000 It's pretty cool.

00:19:13.000 It is kind of cool.

00:19:13.000 It's cool.

00:19:14.000 He, like, did his own...

00:19:15.000 Yeah.

00:19:15.000 Look, I mean, I'm sure he had all kinds of probably issues, right?

00:19:19.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

00:19:20.000 But he lived his own...

00:19:21.000 Like, he made his own path.

00:19:22.000 He lived off of stuff.

00:19:23.000 It reminds me...

00:19:24.000 Have you ever heard of the Japanese survivor in Guam?

00:19:26.000 Have you heard about that story?

00:19:27.000 Yes, I did.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:28.000 Tell that story.

00:19:29.000 So, from my understanding, during World War II, there was a crash in Guam from a dogfight, and this Japanese pilot or guy who was in the plane went and hid in a cave up on a mountain in Guam, and he spent until like 2002 living in this cave Thinking that World War II was continuing and he thought he had a better life living in a cave and living off of the jungle because Guam is like a hub for I think United or Delta,

00:19:56.000 one of the major airlines.

00:19:58.000 So all these planes are coming in and out every day and he thinks it's World War II continuing.

00:20:02.000 Wow!

00:20:03.000 And there's military bases and everything else in Guam.

00:20:06.000 Was it really 2002?

00:20:08.000 Jamie would have to look, but it was very recent.

00:20:11.000 I thought it was like the 80s or something.

00:20:12.000 I didn't know. 1.00

00:20:12.000 He must have been old as fuck. 1.00

00:20:15.000 Yeah, he was like in his 70s or something. 0.99

00:20:17.000 I don't know.

00:20:18.000 I'm probably getting the date wrong.

00:20:19.000 We'll find it, but still.

00:20:21.000 That's so crazy.

00:20:23.000 But can you imagine?

00:20:24.000 How would you know?

00:20:25.000 And what if you fucked up and went in too early? 1.00

00:20:27.000 Right. 1.00

00:20:28.000 You know, and it is still World War II and they shoot you. 0.55

00:20:30.000 Exactly.

00:20:30.000 You just hang out for another year.

00:20:32.000 Yep, just spend a couple more days in the cave.

00:20:35.000 Oh, my God.

00:20:37.000 There's two stories, actually.

00:20:38.000 We'll go with this one first is the one you were talking about.

00:20:40.000 Okay, so this one...

00:20:42.000 97. 97. Oh, died in 97. He died in 97. So years of service, 41 to 45. And then it says 1972, I guess.

00:20:52.000 But do you see that?

00:20:52.000 28 years of hiding in the jungles of Guam.

00:20:55.000 Yeah, I think that's what we're talking about there with 45. So they found him in 72. I just saw a story this morning, which it's not new.

00:21:03.000 Apparently it was in 2013. There was a man took his two sons after Vietnam came, and they were hid in the woods for 40 years.

00:21:13.000 Wow.

00:21:14.000 Forced to live off rats and make loincloths out of tree bark.

00:21:17.000 Man who spent 41 years living in the jungle after fleeing Vietnam War makes emotional return to his former home.

00:21:25.000 41 years.

00:21:26.000 Look at the picture of him.

00:21:28.000 Social skills, obviously, and he didn't know what a woman was. 0.99

00:21:30.000 Really?

00:21:31.000 His father didn't tell him what a woman was. 0.73

00:21:33.000 They saw five people their whole life and hid from them in the woods and they saw them.

00:21:36.000 This is according to what I read earlier today.

00:21:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:21:40.000 Do you think, like, would you, if you're put into his position, is it worth living like that?

00:21:47.000 He's 85?

00:21:48.000 His father was.

00:21:49.000 Oh.

00:21:49.000 Father 85. I just looked at that really quick.

00:21:51.000 I'm like, God damn, he looks great. 0.99

00:21:52.000 Maybe that's how we're supposed to live. 0.99

00:21:55.000 Yeah, Rat Head was his favorite.

00:21:57.000 Rat Head.

00:21:58.000 Well, who doesn't like a good Rat Head? 0.99

00:21:59.000 Why is his haircut so good?

00:22:01.000 That's a good question. 1.00

00:22:02.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

00:22:03.000 I think this is after they found him and they took him back to take pictures. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Oh, fuck off. 1.00

00:22:07.000 They redressed him. 1.00

00:22:08.000 This is horseshit. 0.99

00:22:09.000 Yeah, they redressed him. 0.99

00:22:11.000 They redressed him in rags.

00:22:12.000 That's what he looked like.

00:22:13.000 For the photos.

00:22:14.000 That's what he looked like when they found him.

00:22:15.000 That's a little better.

00:22:15.000 Yeah, that looks like a guy living in the woods.

00:22:18.000 Wow.

00:22:20.000 Rathead.

00:22:20.000 He was eating ratheads.

00:22:22.000 What does it say?

00:22:23.000 His son was killed?

00:22:24.000 What does it say?

00:22:24.000 I'm not sure.

00:22:24.000 One day his wife and two of his sons were killed by a mine explosion, putting him in a state of shock.

00:22:31.000 He took his two-year-old son and fled into the jungle, thereafter never having any contact with anyone else.

00:22:37.000 The pair survived by foraging fruit and cassava from the forest and planting corn.

00:22:42.000 They wore loincloths made of tree bark and lived in a timber hut raised five meters above the ground.

00:22:50.000 Cassava is not the stuff that you need to boil and filter and strain.

00:22:55.000 No, no, no.

00:22:56.000 What am I thinking of?

00:22:56.000 That's the other stuff.

00:22:57.000 Probably taro.

00:22:58.000 Taro root?

00:22:59.000 Is that what it is?

00:22:59.000 Yeah.

00:23:00.000 Cassava is like a potato, basically.

00:23:02.000 Right, right.

00:23:02.000 What is the one that actually has strychnine in it?

00:23:06.000 It's very common in the jungle of Central America and South America.

00:23:11.000 I think taro is what you're referring to because it's very starchy and basically inedible until you boil it down.

00:23:17.000 Is that what it is?

00:23:18.000 I think so.

00:23:20.000 Mmm.

00:23:21.000 That doesn't sound familiar.

00:23:22.000 Doesn't sound right.

00:23:23.000 Hmm.

00:23:24.000 Tarot, I know what tarot is.

00:23:25.000 But tarot, like, they make tarot chips.

00:23:28.000 Yeah.

00:23:28.000 Like, you could eat tarot chips.

00:23:30.000 This stuff, they boil down, they turn into like a meal.

00:23:37.000 Oh, I'm not sure.

00:23:38.000 Smash it and do all kinds of, I thought it was cassava.

00:23:42.000 Everything, like, when we've worked down in the Amazon and stuff, in the remote areas of the Amazon, everything's boiled.

00:23:47.000 That's just how everything's, like, day one you're like, oh man, this fresh boiled piranha is so good.

00:23:53.000 Day 13 you're like, please God, no boiled piranha for breakfast.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:58.000 Isn't it interesting?

00:23:59.000 We've gotten to this point as a society where we eat what we enjoy.

00:24:03.000 Right.

00:24:04.000 Not what's...

00:24:05.000 Instead of what just keeps you alive.

00:24:07.000 Right.

00:24:07.000 I was with Steve Rinella once and he caught a beaver and we cooked the beaver.

00:24:13.000 And one of the things that he cooked was the beaver tail.

00:24:17.000 And he said that it was a staple amongst trappers.

00:24:21.000 Okay.

00:24:22.000 That they really liked beaver tail because it was a good concentration of fat.

00:24:25.000 It was a great source of fat.

00:24:25.000 I imagine it's just a big fatty tissue.

00:24:28.000 It's disgusting.

00:24:29.000 Yeah, I bet.

00:24:29.000 But when you're dying of fat, like you need fat, like you're starving, like fat is literally what you crave, then it becomes delicious.

00:24:38.000 Then it's not a matter of, you know, oh, I prefer fried chicken.

00:24:42.000 Well, I'm a pizza guy myself.

00:24:44.000 We eat based on our flavor preferences.

00:24:49.000 It is interesting, because taste is so elemental to what we decide to do every single day.

00:24:55.000 Oh, I like this, I like that.

00:24:56.000 But that's not the point of food.

00:24:59.000 The point of food is nourishment, right?

00:25:01.000 It's to keep your body strong and you continue to have energy, and yet we've completely abandoned that notion.

00:25:08.000 In fact, so much so that we have the opposite problem, where we're over-nourishing, at least with fats and oils and things like that, constantly.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, it's...

00:25:17.000 I mean, if people could come from the past, back from those pioneer days, and see people today, they'd be like, oh my god, this is wild.

00:25:26.000 Everyone's fat.

00:25:28.000 Because that was like a sign of being healthy back then, and wealthy, right?

00:25:31.000 You could afford to be fat.

00:25:32.000 They'd be like, wow, this is great.

00:25:34.000 Well, I don't know about healthy, but it was definitely a sign of wealth and the fact that you didn't have to work.

00:25:39.000 When you look at those paintings from the Renaissance of those Rubenesque women, that was attractive.

00:25:46.000 We were psyched if you found a big fat lady. 1.00

00:25:48.000 Yeah, big old gal. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Yeah, that girl, she's eating good. 1.00

00:25:51.000 That's what I like.

00:25:52.000 That's what I need at home.

00:25:52.000 I like some skinny farmer lady.

00:25:55.000 I like some royal lady who gets to just have fruit given to her while she lays down. 1.00

00:26:00.000 Last time we hung out, you were doing pure carnivore.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, I'm doing that now.

00:26:04.000 You're doing it now?

00:26:05.000 Yeah, because it's January.

00:26:07.000 January is World Carnivore Month. 0.98

00:26:09.000 I don't know who fucking made that up. 0.98

00:26:10.000 Why not? 0.99

00:26:11.000 I mixed in a little fruit.

00:26:14.000 I eat fruit because I find when I don't do that, I did straight carnivore for the first few days.

00:26:20.000 I think the first eight or nine days.

00:26:22.000 But it's hard.

00:26:24.000 I was slogging through workouts.

00:26:26.000 Just no energy?

00:26:27.000 Yeah.

00:26:29.000 And they say there's an adjustment period, just like keto.

00:26:33.000 Have you ever done a keto diet?

00:26:36.000 Not for more than a week at a time.

00:26:39.000 It takes a while to really get your body to turn ketogenic and to start burning fat instead of carbohydrates.

00:26:45.000 And there's a thing they call the keto flu, where it feels almost like you've got the flu.

00:26:50.000 Sounds awful.

00:26:51.000 Not really like the flu.

00:26:53.000 It's a bad way of describing it.

00:26:54.000 It's more like you're not well-rested.

00:26:57.000 Gotcha.

00:26:58.000 Gotcha.

00:26:58.000 So, like, when I would work out, I would, like, have to really push through these workouts.

00:27:03.000 Like, you feel like you're missing a gear.

00:27:05.000 Sure.

00:27:06.000 That's what it feels like.

00:27:06.000 Just none of that extra ATP to, like, burn.

00:27:09.000 Yeah.

00:27:09.000 You can't get into fourth gear.

00:27:10.000 It's weird.

00:27:12.000 It's like...

00:27:12.000 It doesn't feel good.

00:27:14.000 After...

00:27:15.000 Oh, sorry.

00:27:15.000 Go ahead.

00:27:15.000 I'm just saying, but when I added fruit, that goes away.

00:27:18.000 That's what I was going to ask, yeah.

00:27:19.000 After we hung out and you were doing that, I read Paul Saladino's book, The Carnivore Code, I think it's called, The Carnivore Diet, the one where he eats meat, fruit, and honey, and bases it, because he's been on your show before, right?

00:27:29.000 Yeah, so I read his book, and I thought it was really interesting, you know, the whole idea of, like, those are the most sought-after foods in the world, and they are for most cultures, but definitely not all cultures, right, which I think is...

00:27:42.000 It all depends on what the resources are, right?

00:27:44.000 Of course.

00:27:44.000 Yeah, I mean, if you're dealing with a culture that has access to an enormous amount of rice, an enormous amount of or cassava, or whatever those things are, you know, there's different things that people eat where they, you know, they just eat it because of convenience.

00:27:58.000 That's availability.

00:27:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:59.000 And cost and effort, right?

00:28:01.000 But if you have access to all the food and you really wanted to live an optimal lifestyle, I do think that organs are primary.

00:28:10.000 It's like eating liver and eating heart is very, very good for you.

00:28:14.000 And then eating red meat, especially like lean red meat, is very good for you.

00:28:19.000 Yeah.

00:28:20.000 It's all about Lucky Charms.

00:28:22.000 It's all about Lucky Charms.

00:28:23.000 I saw your post.

00:28:24.000 Isn't that nuts?

00:28:25.000 That was wild.

00:28:25.000 Isn't that nuts that that's a real, like, NIH-funded food chart that places Lucky Charms above eggs?

00:28:32.000 There were so many things, too, not just the Lucky Charms.

00:28:34.000 I mean, that was preposterous, but there were so many things that I'm like...

00:28:37.000 Chocolate-covered almonds.

00:28:38.000 Right.

00:28:39.000 That's healthier than a steak. 1.00

00:28:40.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:28:40.000 That's candy. 1.00

00:28:41.000 Exactly.

00:28:42.000 That's literally chocolate. 0.99

00:28:43.000 Yeah, there's almonds, but it's fucking chocolate, which is sugar... 0.99

00:28:46.000 And some cacao. 0.99

00:28:48.000 Yeah, that was wild. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Straight horse shit. 1.00

00:28:51.000 These people are criminals. 1.00

00:28:53.000 They're all being paid off. 0.97

00:28:54.000 They've all been paid off by these big food corporations.

00:28:57.000 By the big food industries.

00:28:59.000 For sure.

00:29:00.000 Well, it's been proven that there's been a bunch of these people that are like fat doctors that are trying to tell you that there are no junk foods and it's really...

00:29:09.000 Oh, I haven't heard that.

00:29:10.000 It's shaming people. 0.88

00:29:11.000 Yeah, big fat ladies that are saying this. 1.00

00:29:14.000 You know, the same kind of ones who don't want you using the term fat. 0.83

00:29:16.000 Sure. 0.99

00:29:17.000 But they're being paid off by, like, these companies that make, like, fucking ho-hos. 1.00

00:29:24.000 Oreos and blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:29:25.000 Cookies and shit. 1.00

00:29:25.000 Sure. 1.00

00:29:26.000 Yeah, I mean that kind of food, maybe not those in specific, but those kinds of foods where they're readily available at supermarkets.

00:29:34.000 In general, other than rice and some beans and some other stuff that you get in the center of the grocery store, all the shit around the edges is what you want.

00:29:43.000 You want the stuff that's fresh. 0.86

00:29:44.000 You want the stuff like the vegetables.

00:29:47.000 They have to replace them all the time. 0.99

00:29:49.000 That shit in the boxes in the middle, most of that stuff's not good for you. 0.99

00:29:53.000 Of course. 1.00

00:29:54.000 Unless it's canned or bottled.

00:29:56.000 I mean, there's tomato sauces and stuff that's in the center that's fine for you.

00:30:00.000 Still packed Some of them.

00:30:02.000 I mean, there's organic ones that aren't.

00:30:03.000 But the outside, that's what you want.

00:30:06.000 You want where the milk is, where's the cheese, where's the eggs.

00:30:08.000 It's on the outside.

00:30:09.000 It's refrigerated.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, there's a reason you have to eat it fresh.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, you gotta eat it quick.

00:30:14.000 And it's really, like, a lot of the stuff, especially pasteurized and homogenized milk, there's a real good argument that that's not even good because your body's like, what is this weird liquid protein stuff?

00:30:25.000 This is not, like, where's the enzymes that are supposed to be available in raw milk?

00:30:30.000 So what's your feeling on like a protein shake?

00:30:32.000 Like you're doing this carnivore thing, you're obviously getting tons of protein.

00:30:35.000 You're not doing a protein shake as well, are you?

00:30:37.000 No, it's not necessary.

00:30:38.000 I mean, if you're eating meat, most of what I'm eating is meat and eggs.

00:30:42.000 That's mostly what I'm eating.

00:30:43.000 That's a dream diet, really.

00:30:45.000 But the thing is, I feel great.

00:30:47.000 I'm very clear-headed and I have a lot of energy.

00:30:51.000 Every time I do it, every January, I'm like, God, why don't I eat this way all the time?

00:30:55.000 The problem is, I'm a glutton, and I really love pasta, and I really love cheeseburgers, and I really love pizza. 0.97

00:31:03.000 I fucking love pizza, man. 0.97

00:31:05.000 I love bread. 0.99

00:31:06.000 It tastes great, but it's definitely not my thing in terms of what my body responds to the best.

00:31:13.000 My body responds the best to fruit, and meat, and eggs, and organ meats, and That's really, and fish.

00:31:21.000 Yeah.

00:31:22.000 My body responds the best when I eat that stuff.

00:31:24.000 And when I eat that stuff, my body's like, yeah, great, this is awesome.

00:31:27.000 Like, I can eat a steak and then go right on stage.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, and you feel fine.

00:31:30.000 You feel good. 0.99

00:31:31.000 But if I eat a bowl of spaghetti and go on stage, I'm fucking... 1.00

00:31:34.000 You're a drip. 1.00

00:31:35.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:31:36.000 Eat a whole pizza and go on stage. 1.00

00:31:38.000 I'm so dumb. 0.99

00:31:40.000 It's like it takes away like 30% of my mind capacity. 0.99

00:31:44.000 Clarity, yeah.

00:31:44.000 So let me ask you this, and if you've covered this kind of stuff before, by all means, we can skip over it.

00:31:49.000 Do you get more aggressive when you're on the carnivore diet?

00:31:53.000 I think you do.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 Why?

00:31:56.000 Well, you think about carnivores worldwide, right?

00:31:59.000 Taking humans out of the equation, just pure carnivores, lions, wolves, so on and so forth.

00:32:04.000 There's definitely a correlation between the need to eat meat and the drive for eating meat.

00:32:09.000 And that drive comes from aggression.

00:32:11.000 That's why they're fighting.

00:32:13.000 That's why they're in competition.

00:32:14.000 That's why they're at the top of the food chain.

00:32:16.000 So this is a personal theory that's grounded in nothing.

00:32:19.000 But I would think when you're eating nothing but meat, which is going to spike your testosterone, it's going to make you feel and act more like a carnivore and less like an omnivore.

00:32:30.000 And be more aggressive and be more dominant.

00:32:32.000 I don't know.

00:32:32.000 Again, you've had people on the show far more qualified, but it's just thinking as a biologist who's studied carnivores, you see that aggression comes from a place of, it's cyclical.

00:32:45.000 The food makes them aggressive, the aggression makes them acquire food.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, I noticed that the first time I did it.

00:32:52.000 The first time I did it, the very first carnivore month, I noticed, I was like, God, I feel a little aggro.

00:32:58.000 But I also wonder, because that was when I went very strict carnivore, and I was having a really hard time working out.

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:06.000 Like my workouts were pretty diminished.

00:33:09.000 And I think maybe I wasn't exerting enough energy.

00:33:13.000 Interesting.

00:33:13.000 Because my body's very accustomed to working out really hard almost every day.

00:33:18.000 Sure.

00:33:18.000 So it's like, I feel like if you just maintain, like if you get your body to a point where it's accustomed To, like, exertion, especially explosive exertion, jujitsu, kickboxing, kettlebells, like that kind of thing.

00:33:33.000 My body's very accustomed to that.

00:33:34.000 Sure.

00:33:34.000 And so when I backed off of it, I wonder if that is what was responsible.

00:33:39.000 Because you had this pent-up.

00:33:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:41.000 Makes sense.

00:33:42.000 Interesting.

00:33:43.000 And then I think on top of that, there's the only eating meat thing.

00:33:46.000 And then I also think maybe it's not that that gets you aggressive, but that the bread and the pasta sedates you.

00:33:54.000 That's probably more accurate.

00:33:56.000 Probably more accurate.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, I think that's probably it.

00:33:59.000 I feel like crap, and I'm not strict on diet like you are or anything, but if I eat a big bowl of pasta or half a pizza, it's the same thing. 0.94

00:34:06.000 You just feel like, I'm going to go sit on the couch. 0.99

00:34:08.000 I'm not going to do anything.

00:34:09.000 It makes a difference.

00:34:10.000 Anybody who says it doesn't is in denial.

00:34:12.000 You just really like bread and pasta.

00:34:14.000 Which is understandable, because it's delicious.

00:34:17.000 It's the best. 0.93

00:34:17.000 I fucking love it, man. 0.93

00:34:19.000 But I just limit it to treats, and I know that I'm going to get wrecked. 0.98

00:34:22.000 I almost feel like it's me going out and getting drunk.

00:34:25.000 I don't like to do that very often, but when I do do it, let's go.

00:34:29.000 Eat a cake.

00:34:30.000 Eat a whole cake.

00:34:31.000 Eat a whole cake.

00:34:32.000 Good for you.

00:34:33.000 But if I have to choose between cake and pasta, I go pasta every time.

00:34:37.000 Oh, really?

00:34:37.000 Yeah, sweets are okay.

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 Sweets are okay, but I'll have a small bowl of ice cream and it doesn't seem to affect me very much.

00:34:45.000 I don't think it's the sugar, and sugar clearly does affect me, but I think the big effect is the bread.

00:34:51.000 Oh, interesting.

00:34:51.000 Yeah, I don't think my body likes that.

00:34:53.000 And in fact, my daughters have legitimate gluten sensitivities. 1.00

00:34:58.000 They have allergies.

00:34:59.000 Yeah, like they've gone to allergists to get tested.

00:35:03.000 And one of my daughters is allergic to basically like all kinds of stuff.

00:35:06.000 She's allergic to dogs and cats and horses.

00:35:08.000 You have a dog, don't you?

00:35:10.000 Yeah, but he's washed.

00:35:11.000 Gotcha.

00:35:12.000 He's clean all the time.

00:35:13.000 And they're used to him.

00:35:13.000 Yeah.

00:35:14.000 And we had dogs before him.

00:35:16.000 They've always had dogs.

00:35:17.000 So they've grown up with it.

00:35:19.000 Yeah.

00:35:19.000 And that doesn't develop an immunity over time?

00:35:21.000 I think it does.

00:35:22.000 Okay.

00:35:22.000 I would think so.

00:35:23.000 But cats didn't.

00:35:25.000 The cat thing is rough with them.

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 You know, like their grandmother has cats in her house.

00:35:30.000 And when we go over there, they don't react very well.

00:35:34.000 Huh.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:35.000 Cats, like that cat dander, the thing is you can't wash a cat.

00:35:40.000 Right.

00:35:41.000 Right. 1.00

00:35:41.000 They don't scratch you to shit. 1.00

00:35:42.000 When I wash my dog, he likes it. 1.00

00:35:45.000 He's getting a massage.

00:35:46.000 He's like, oh yeah, man, rub my back.

00:35:48.000 My cat's like, wow!

00:35:50.000 Wow! 1.00

00:35:51.000 Don't try to fuck you up. 1.00

00:35:53.000 You try to wash them in a sink. 1.00

00:35:54.000 Some cats you can, though.

00:35:56.000 Yes.

00:35:56.000 Some cats are calm.

00:35:57.000 I have no allergies to a house cat that I've ever experienced.

00:36:02.000 Rub a cat in my face, whatever, right?

00:36:03.000 We don't have a cat, but I've just never been allergic to one.

00:36:06.000 If I'm around big cats, lions, elephants, or sorry, elephants, lions, tigers, not that I've been that close to tigers, but with lions hands-on and stuff, I am dripping my nose, my eyes, everything.

00:36:19.000 So I don't know what the divide is there, but yeah, I definitely have a major allergy to big cats.

00:36:25.000 My daughter has a major allergy to horses, to the point where we were in Italy, and we got a ride on one of those horse-driven carriages in Rome.

00:36:34.000 And we're like, oh, this will be fun, get driven around.

00:36:36.000 And my daughter's eyes started swelling, and then we realized, like, oh, she's having a reaction to the horse, and it's up there.

00:36:43.000 It's just being downwind of this horse.

00:36:46.000 Outside!

00:36:49.000 Crazy.

00:36:49.000 That sensitive.

00:36:50.000 Oh yeah, very sensitive. 0.97

00:36:51.000 So we got off the thing and we had to get to a pharmacy and find some like Benadrine or some shit. 0.95

00:36:56.000 Whatever their Italian equivalent is. 0.69

00:36:59.000 Benadrilla! 0.88

00:37:00.000 Can I tell you a funny allergy reaction story?

00:37:03.000 Sure.

00:37:04.000 So we're working in the Amazon 2019 and we got this camera guy.

00:37:10.000 His name's Johnny, right?

00:37:11.000 We call him Boogie.

00:37:11.000 He's got these big old knees.

00:37:12.000 He always wears cargo shorts. 0.99

00:37:14.000 Ridiculous looking guy. 0.99

00:37:15.000 He's got big knees? 0.99

00:37:16.000 He's all knees, because he's got long legs and a tall guy.

00:37:19.000 Anyway, we love Johnny.

00:37:21.000 So we love Johnny, and we're working in this area that has these parasitic wasps.

00:37:26.000 And these wasps are attracted to our headlights, because we're working at night, we're doing crocodile work.

00:37:33.000 And so every night we're getting zapped in the neck and in the face, like one or two, whatever.

00:37:38.000 My one cameraman, Mitch, he has a pretty bad reaction, puffy eyes, has to get the EpiPen, everything, right?

00:37:43.000 We're hanging out at camp like one of the mornings after everything, you know, getting stung up every night, it blows, whatever, but it's not the end of the world. 0.99

00:37:51.000 And you hear Johnny, our camera guy, hops out of his hammock and he goes, oh shit! 0.99

00:37:56.000 And we're like, look, and he's dancing around like holding his junk, right? 1.00

00:38:00.000 Oh no. 0.98

00:38:00.000 And we're like, ah ha ha, you got stung, you got stung. 0.98

00:38:03.000 One of these parasitic wasps flew up his shorts and got him on the tip, right on the head.

00:38:09.000 Oh! 0.60

00:38:09.000 It gets so much better, Joe. 0.60

00:38:11.000 Oh no, it planted something in there?

00:38:12.000 No, not quite. 1.00

00:38:14.000 So he's dancing around, he's howling about his dick, and we're laughing our asses off and making fun of him, right? 0.99

00:38:19.000 As you do with a group of guys in the jungle on a field expedition. 0.99

00:38:23.000 And we have this medic named Josh.

00:38:25.000 He's like the calmest, quietest, you know, he's like your typical military medic.

00:38:29.000 He's never going to get upset or excited because it just makes everybody get upset and excited, right?

00:38:34.000 And Johnny, after a couple hours, he goes to Josh and he's like, hey man, I'm like...

00:38:38.000 Can you take a look at this?

00:38:40.000 And we're all like, we're in camp watching this go down.

00:38:43.000 And we're like, yeah, we gotta just keep an eye on what happens.

00:38:47.000 And Johnny goes sort of around the trees and Josh is with him.

00:38:50.000 He pulls his pants down.

00:38:51.000 We can't see anything.

00:38:51.000 We just see Josh's back.

00:38:52.000 And Josh goes, oh, shit! 1.00

00:38:55.000 Like, this is coming from the medic. 1.00

00:38:56.000 And so we just, like, burst into laughter.

00:38:58.000 And we're like, we gotta see this thing, Johnny.

00:39:00.000 What is it?

00:39:01.000 Like, we gotta see it.

00:39:02.000 Dude, Joe, it looked like a baby's arm holding an apple.

00:39:06.000 Like, it was just, the head was the size of a softball.

00:39:10.000 Apple?

00:39:10.000 It was that big?

00:39:11.000 It was so big.

00:39:12.000 And Johnny was like, what am I going to do? 1.00

00:39:14.000 Like, my penis is never going to work again. 0.99

00:39:16.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:39:18.000 And we're like two days from anything.

00:39:20.000 And so, anyway, the medic treated it.

00:39:22.000 He gave it a shot, whatever, whatever.

00:39:24.000 Did it work?

00:39:25.000 Yeah, it did.

00:39:25.000 The shot worked?

00:39:26.000 It did.

00:39:27.000 Johnny said it took like three weeks for it to come down all the way.

00:39:30.000 But it went down the majority of it that night. 0.93

00:39:33.000 I wonder if he jerked off during those three weeks. 0.96

00:39:34.000 I'm certain he did, yeah. 0.99

00:39:36.000 Oh, my God.

00:39:37.000 Imagine.

00:39:37.000 Dude, I've never seen anything like it.

00:39:39.000 Imagine if, like, when you nutted, you screamed in pain because you're stupid enough. 1.00

00:39:45.000 I shouldn't have heard the story, and I shouldn't bring it up. 1.00

00:39:49.000 You should.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, definitely bring it up.

00:39:51.000 It said it was a 12-year-old boy shoved a thermometer down the hole while he was masturbating, and it got stuck.

00:40:00.000 You're right, Jamie.

00:40:01.000 You should not have brought that up.

00:40:02.000 So they had to go and do a keyhole surgery to get it out because it would have fucked up the organs or something crazy.

00:40:07.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:40:07.000 Oh, my God, you dummy. 0.99

00:40:09.000 What kind of crazy kid is that? 1.00

00:40:11.000 What's he gonna be like when he's 30? 1.00

00:40:15.000 He's 12, he's stuck in thermometers in his dick hole. 1.00

00:40:19.000 While we're on the dick hole conversation, do you know about the Kandiru? 1.00

00:40:23.000 Yes. 0.62

00:40:23.000 Okay, do you know how they have to get it out? 0.62

00:40:26.000 No.

00:40:26.000 Okay, so for those that don't know...

00:40:28.000 Chinese boy, 12, shoved a thermometer down his...

00:40:32.000 Look at how they write thermometer in all capital letters. 1.00

00:40:35.000 Down his penis. 1.00

00:40:36.000 Needs it surgically removed from his bladder after pushing it too far. 1.00

00:40:41.000 Dude.

00:40:42.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:40:43.000 He dealt with it for nine hours.

00:40:44.000 But look at this.

00:40:45.000 Boy opted to insert the object into...

00:40:48.000 He opted.

00:40:49.000 Opted.

00:40:50.000 Ah, he opted.

00:40:51.000 As opposed to...

00:40:52.000 That's like, you know, choosing your insurance policy.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 It didn't insert the object into his urethra.

00:40:58.000 A risky practice.

00:41:00.000 It's risky.

00:41:00.000 It's called sounding.

00:41:01.000 It's got a name, so it's so common. 0.99

00:41:04.000 People are so crazy that they've just been stuffing stuff up their dick so many times they came up with a name for it. 0.99

00:41:10.000 When it got stuck, he endured agonizing pain for nine hours before seeking help. 0.99

00:41:15.000 Chinese medics extracted the tool by cutting a tiny surgical hole in his bladder.

00:41:21.000 Yikes.

00:41:22.000 It definitely didn't come from any app, I'm sure, that idea.

00:41:26.000 I'm sure you didn't get the idea from an app.

00:41:28.000 From an app?

00:41:29.000 Yeah.

00:41:29.000 Why from an app?

00:41:30.000 Where would a 12-year-old get an idea like that?

00:41:32.000 Oh, like TikTok?

00:41:32.000 He's saying it's a TikTok thing.

00:41:34.000 You think so?

00:41:34.000 I'm not saying that.

00:41:35.000 Well, their TikTok is very regulated.

00:41:38.000 I've never used it.

00:41:40.000 You're right. 1.00

00:41:41.000 We're just talking out of our ass. 0.99

00:41:42.000 That's a good point. 1.00

00:41:43.000 Very good point.

00:41:46.000 Candiru.

00:41:47.000 Yeah.

00:41:47.000 You should explain what it is.

00:41:49.000 It swims up your dick hole. 1.00

00:41:50.000 So it's this tiny parasitic catfish in the Amazon. 0.99

00:41:53.000 And what it does is it's attracted to urea, which comes out of fish's gills.

00:41:57.000 And it's a parasite, so it swims into fish's gills and lodges its spines into those fish's gills to feed. 0.98

00:42:03.000 But this nasty little bugger, because it's attracted to urea, will swim up your urethra. 1.00

00:42:09.000 Now, that's all fine and well, if you will, but it has reversed facing spines, so once it swims in, there's no swimming back out. 0.99

00:42:20.000 The same spines it uses to lodge into fish gills.

00:42:22.000 Oh, boy.

00:42:23.000 No, that's a lamprey.

00:42:24.000 That's nonsense.

00:42:26.000 But once it's lodged in, the only way to get it out is to butterfly.

00:42:32.000 Oh! 0.60

00:42:33.000 And lift it out.

00:42:34.000 Oh, God.

00:42:35.000 I'm not even gonna say it.

00:42:36.000 How often does that happen?

00:42:38.000 I don't think it's very regular, but yeah.

00:42:40.000 I can tell you when I'm in the Amazon, I'm like peeing back and forth just because I'm scared something will like swim up the stream.

00:42:46.000 Yeah, when you pee, like, are these people peeing with pants on?

00:42:50.000 I think so, yeah.

00:42:51.000 They wear shorts and still swims up the legs and gets in there?

00:42:55.000 I mean, I think it's just incredibly unlucky, but it's happened a lot more than once.

00:42:59.000 It's a relatively regular thing.

00:43:01.000 Oh, is that an operation?

00:43:03.000 Oh, look at that Reddit picture.

00:43:05.000 That's not real.

00:43:06.000 That's not real, but that's funny.

00:43:08.000 This one is probably...

00:43:09.000 Oh my god, get out of here.

00:43:12.000 Oh, get out of here. 1.00

00:43:13.000 I don't want to see this.

00:43:14.000 Yeah, it's a fun show.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, everything's trying to kill you. 0.98

00:43:20.000 Everything's trying to kill you. 0.84

00:43:21.000 But I go into the forest with a peaceful intention.

00:43:26.000 I am your friend.

00:43:28.000 I am here to wander.

00:43:30.000 Do not eat me.

00:43:31.000 Please, fish, don't swim up into my urinary tract. 0.98

00:43:34.000 Plus, I only eat vegetables so they know that I'm in harmony. 1.00

00:43:38.000 Well, so does a deer, bitch. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Dear only vegetables, too. 1.00

00:43:41.000 They fucked them up. 0.99

00:43:42.000 She's gonna be listening to this podcast and be very upset. 0.99

00:43:45.000 She does not listen to my podcast.

00:43:47.000 I will guarantee you that.

00:43:48.000 She's a nice lady, though. 1.00

00:43:50.000 She's just kind of wacko. 1.00

00:43:51.000 But a lot of them yoga people are wacko. 0.97

00:43:53.000 It's like something about that path.

00:44:00.000 I live in Santa Barbara, trust me.

00:44:04.000 Oh yeah, there's a lot of them up there.

00:44:06.000 A lot of rich ladies. 1.00

00:44:07.000 They try to find meaning after the kids leave the house.

00:44:10.000 They really get into yoga.

00:44:12.000 Right, or into their yoga instructor sometimes.

00:44:15.000 Oh, there was a yoga instructor that I knew that was doing that.

00:44:18.000 He was banging all these ladies. 1.00

00:44:20.000 He was so cheesy. 0.51

00:44:23.000 I couldn't believe it worked.

00:44:24.000 Like the ponytail?

00:44:25.000 Yeah, he didn't have the ponytail, but he would sing yoga songs in class, but he was like, Really into himself.

00:44:33.000 Yikes.

00:44:34.000 You know, people just give off a vibe. 1.00

00:44:36.000 Like, damn, bro. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:38.000 You know, like, almost like a televangelist-y vibe.

00:44:42.000 Mm-hmm.

00:44:43.000 Yeah.

00:44:43.000 I'm sure he'd be a great cult leader.

00:44:45.000 Yeah.

00:44:45.000 No, not really.

00:44:46.000 No. 0.97

00:44:47.000 Only for dummies. 0.88

00:44:48.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:44:49.000 Wow.

00:44:49.000 It wouldn't work.

00:44:50.000 You gotta, like, to be a really good cult leader, like, I think it's like a balancing act.

00:44:54.000 Well, you have to trick everybody into your thing, right?

00:44:56.000 Right.

00:44:56.000 Which takes some smarts, for sure.

00:44:59.000 There's a lot of them out there, though.

00:45:00.000 Yeah.

00:45:01.000 I don't think you have to be that good to be a cult leader.

00:45:03.000 No? 0.99

00:45:03.000 You could be pretty shitty at it. 0.99

00:45:05.000 How do you find your followers? 0.98

00:45:07.000 That's a good question.

00:45:08.000 I think you start off being a self-help guru.

00:45:10.000 Oh, that makes sense.

00:45:11.000 Self-help guru, and then you eventually move people into some sort of a communal situation.

00:45:15.000 Yep.

00:45:16.000 Like, we don't need society.

00:45:18.000 We can do it better.

00:45:19.000 I'll be your leader.

00:45:20.000 And then he's banging everybody's wife and he wants all your money.

00:45:24.000 Doesn't sound terrible. 0.68

00:45:26.000 It does if you're the guy whose wife is getting banged.

00:45:29.000 You're like, honey, I thought we were just going to be peaceful out here living off the land.

00:45:34.000 Well, you know, he wants to bless me.

00:45:36.000 Again, on Tuesday. 0.98

00:45:38.000 With his sex. 0.99

00:45:40.000 Parasitic wasps freak me out. 1.00

00:45:42.000 And there's a shitload of them. 0.95

00:45:43.000 There's so many. 0.96

00:45:44.000 There's so many species of parasitic wasps.

00:45:47.000 Yeah.

00:45:47.000 That's what's really fascinating.

00:45:48.000 And not only just parasitic in terms of entering humans, but also they inject their larvae into plants and logs and shit. 0.94

00:45:58.000 And can manipulate certain spiders, like the brain process, and like tarantula wasps, which we have in the States, are incredible. 0.97

00:46:06.000 You know, they can come down, lay eggs into a tarantula. 0.99

00:46:10.000 That manipulates the behavior of the tarantula, something about the chemicals and the brain chemistry, and then the eggs hatch out of the thing. 0.94

00:46:17.000 I thought it kills the tarantula first.

00:46:18.000 It does.

00:46:19.000 No, not first.

00:46:20.000 Eventually.

00:46:20.000 Oh, I was confused.

00:46:22.000 Well, I know...

00:46:23.000 I think I'm thinking of something else.

00:46:25.000 I might be mixing them up with another one, too.

00:46:27.000 There's so many.

00:46:27.000 Yeah.

00:46:28.000 I've read there's like a hundred.

00:46:30.000 There's like a hundred different parasitic wasps.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:46:35.000 Nuts! 0.70

00:46:36.000 What a weird thing that nature has invented this creature that shoves its babies into some other creature's body with a needle.

00:46:48.000 Yep.

00:46:48.000 Look at this.

00:46:49.000 So this is the...

00:46:52.000 This is a tarantula hawk going after a tarantula.

00:46:55.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 It's also parasitic.

00:46:56.000 Stinging it from the bottom.

00:46:58.000 Yeah, that's...

00:46:58.000 I've never seen a tarantula stand up like that.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, he's like...

00:47:02.000 Getting slow.

00:47:03.000 He's like, oh boy, I'm confused.

00:47:05.000 So look how it crawls on its back. 0.84

00:47:07.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:47:08.000 And then jabs it in the body. 0.86

00:47:10.000 That's what's nuts.

00:47:11.000 Look how it reaches up.

00:47:13.000 Oh, I think he's dead.

00:47:14.000 I think you're right.

00:47:15.000 It does kill that.

00:47:16.000 Oh, you're right.

00:47:16.000 Ross will leave a single egg inside the spider's belly once it's paralyzed.

00:47:20.000 What a fucking nutty situation. 0.99

00:47:23.000 It's changing the oil. 1.00

00:47:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:25.000 Well, there's so many of them, and then there's even more bizarre shit. 1.00

00:47:30.000 See that? 0.99

00:47:30.000 When the egg hatches, the wasp will eat the spider from the inside out. 0.99

00:47:34.000 Yikes! 1.00

00:47:35.000 And then there's even weirder shit, which is fungus. 0.99

00:47:38.000 Yes. 0.99

00:47:39.000 Like, fungus that, like...

00:47:41.000 I saw that for the first time recently in India.

00:47:43.000 Really?

00:47:43.000 Yeah, I was finding these, um, hollowed out, I forget, like exoskeletons of mantises and all kinds of beetles that had mushrooms growing out of their heads, like weird, tentacly, yeah, and it was, um, you know, I only know about it what I've read about it and seen,

00:47:59.000 I've never, it's not something I've been very deeply involved in, but the idea that a mushroom can manipulate the brain chemistry of a living creature It's unbelievable.

00:48:11.000 It's wild.

00:48:12.000 Not only does it manipulate it, but when they hatch, when the spores explode to infect all the other bugs around them.

00:48:21.000 Right.

00:48:21.000 In like a vast area too.

00:48:23.000 And it's all transmitted by air.

00:48:25.000 So they just have to like be around and then it's like, oh, now I got a mushroom growing out my brain.

00:48:29.000 And what's also wild is that ants realize this is happening.

00:48:32.000 So they will drag an infected ant far away from their colony.

00:48:37.000 Oh, I didn't know that.

00:48:38.000 So that it explodes on its own.

00:48:39.000 That's fascinating.

00:48:40.000 I didn't know that.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, they figured it out. 0.98

00:48:42.000 How do ants fucking communicate? 0.97

00:48:46.000 Because if you see leafcutter ants, which I have in my neighborhood, leafcutter ants colonies that they have underground, where there are these sophisticated systems of ventilation, and they're literally fermenting leaves down there. 0.98

00:49:00.000 It's like, what?

00:49:01.000 I know.

00:49:01.000 How do you know?

00:49:02.000 How are you doing this?

00:49:03.000 How are you building a village?

00:49:05.000 And just recently I saw this thing where these ants made a rope to cross this big bit.

00:49:10.000 Yes, I saw that.

00:49:11.000 It's incredible.

00:49:13.000 They linked arms.

00:49:15.000 Someone's going to drown.

00:49:16.000 Someone has to go down.

00:49:17.000 They have to.

00:49:18.000 If you think about that when they let go, everyone's not going to make it.

00:49:22.000 But that's what's so amazing about things like ants and bees is that hive mind, they don't all have to make it.

00:49:27.000 Right.

00:49:28.000 And that's like, it's for the greater good of the hive.

00:49:31.000 Yeah, here it is.

00:49:32.000 Yeah, this is the same exact one. 0.99

00:49:33.000 This is fucking bonkers, man. 0.99

00:49:35.000 Army ants build a bridge to invade wasp nest. 1.00

00:49:39.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:49:40.000 See the eggs?

00:49:41.000 They're carrying the wasp eggs out of the nest.

00:49:43.000 Oh my god, what a bunch of creeps.

00:49:47.000 I do a podcast called The Wild Times, and we were looking at this on The Wild Times podcast, and everybody that commented was like, there's a rope in the middle of that.

00:49:56.000 That's not real.

00:49:57.000 There's no rope.

00:49:58.000 No, look, you can see right through it.

00:50:00.000 That's what's crazy.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 Is that it's just all ants.

00:50:02.000 That is just bodies.

00:50:03.000 That is just ant bodies working in this hive mind to figure out how collectively to accomplish a task as one unit.

00:50:12.000 It's unbelievable.

00:50:12.000 Why'd they make such a long rope?

00:50:13.000 That's pretty stupid. 1.00

00:50:14.000 I guess they probably had to just swing over there. 1.00

00:50:17.000 I don't know.

00:50:18.000 How did they swing over there?

00:50:19.000 Right.

00:50:20.000 How was it connected?

00:50:21.000 Right.

00:50:21.000 How are they doing that?

00:50:22.000 I don't know.

00:50:23.000 How did they swing? 0.96

00:50:24.000 Imagine how fucking strong the ants at the very top that are hanging on to the board. 0.97

00:50:30.000 Holding the whole... 0.98

00:50:30.000 Holding a giant rope of ants. 0.98

00:50:32.000 Yeah.

00:50:33.000 That are all a bunch of egg stealers. 0.71

00:50:34.000 You can see right through it.

00:50:34.000 Look at that.

00:50:35.000 It's unbelievable.

00:50:36.000 It is nuts.

00:50:36.000 Yeah.

00:50:37.000 It's really nuts.

00:50:38.000 What a crazy organism.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

00:50:42.000 And the fact that the biomass of ants, I think the biomass of ants on Earth is equal to the biomass of humans.

00:50:52.000 Oh, really?

00:50:52.000 I thought it was actually more.

00:50:54.000 Really?

00:50:54.000 I thought there was more biomass of ants than there are of human beings.

00:50:57.000 Wow, is that true?

00:50:58.000 Let's find out that.

00:50:59.000 It's pretty impressive enough with 8 billion fatso humans.

00:51:03.000 Correct.

00:51:03.000 And these little bitty things.

00:51:05.000 These little tiny things weigh as much as us. 0.89

00:51:07.000 If they weigh more, that's even crazier.

00:51:09.000 I used to work on a project.

00:51:11.000 See what that number is.

00:51:12.000 Hold on, I'm trying to understand it.

00:51:16.000 It says the ant biomass is around 20% of human biomass, or the mass of carbon from nearly 8 billion humans now living.

00:51:23.000 I don't understand what it's saying.

00:51:24.000 Mass of carbon?

00:51:25.000 I don't know why I brought that up.

00:51:27.000 The ant biomass also weighs around 12 megatons, which is about the equivalent of two pyramids of Giza on a scale.

00:51:33.000 Wow.

00:51:33.000 That's cool.

00:51:35.000 That's two pyramids of ants.

00:51:38.000 This other thing says ants make two-thirds of all the insects.

00:51:42.000 Really?

00:51:43.000 So it's only 20% of the biomass, human biomass.

00:51:47.000 Oh.

00:51:47.000 I was totally wrong.

00:51:49.000 Sounds better when you say as much.

00:51:51.000 Yeah, let's go back to the other way. 0.99

00:51:54.000 Even 20% when you see how fucking little they are. 0.99

00:51:57.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

00:51:57.000 I mean, what are they, what, one millionth of a human? 0.99

00:52:00.000 If that, right.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, they weigh nothing.

00:52:02.000 I used to work at the California Channel Islands in front of Santa Barbara, where I live, and one of the projects that I worked on for way too long was ant eradication.

00:52:11.000 So they were trying to restore the Channel Islands back to, you know, before human settlement and really just rewild them and keep them pristine.

00:52:19.000 And the most difficult species to remove, hands down, were the Argentinian ants.

00:52:24.000 So all over California, we have these invasive Argentine ants, and they, you know, on one boat or another, they'd made it over to the islands, and it's just like, how do you remove that?

00:52:34.000 You know, it's easy to remove pigs or sheep or whatever from an island, because it's a closed-off area, but trying to remove millions of ants, I mean, it's just...

00:52:43.000 It's massively difficult.

00:52:44.000 The Channel Islands, I think it's the Channel Islands, used to be a big bow hunting destination.

00:52:49.000 Yeah.

00:52:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, because they used to have a bunch of different species that someone had brought over there at one point in time, like elk and deer, and they killed them all from a helicopter.

00:53:00.000 So there was elk on Santa Rosa, and then Santa Cruz, which is the biggest one, had sheep and pigs.

00:53:05.000 I think goats as well back in the day.

00:53:07.000 And then, you know, even Catalina still has bison. 0.97

00:53:11.000 And for a while they opened up...

00:53:13.000 They're like farmed, right?

00:53:14.000 They're not wild.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, they're not wild.

00:53:15.000 I mean, they're like...

00:53:15.000 Semi-wild, right?

00:53:17.000 They just reproduce, but it's all very managed.

00:53:20.000 But for a while, they opened up tag hunting, like, come out and get your elk and get your pig.

00:53:25.000 But then, eventually, the state just said, like, we gotta do something about it.

00:53:29.000 And this was kind of interesting. 0.98

00:53:31.000 The pigs on...

00:53:34.000 I think? 0.90

00:53:49.000 Well, the goats wake up.

00:53:50.000 They get aware that there's a helicopter buzzing overhead and somebody's shooting them and they all start scattering and getting scared and it becomes harder and harder to get the last 10%.

00:53:58.000 So 10% of the work is eradicating 90% of the animals and then 90% of the work is getting the last 10% of the animals.

00:54:05.000 So, they do this thing called a Judas goat, where they go and catch a goat, put a collar on it, and then let the goat go, and the goat finds its friends 100% of the time, and they mow down all of the other animals and leave the Judas goat, who then pops over to the next group of goats. 0.97

00:54:20.000 So, you're a real shitty friend if you're the Judas goat. 1.00

00:54:23.000 Or you're just dumb as shit, and you're being manipulated by people. 1.00

00:54:26.000 True. 1.00

00:54:26.000 I think they castrate them, too. 1.00

00:54:27.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:54:28.000 I'm sure, yeah.

00:54:29.000 But, um...

00:54:30.000 Anyway, yeah, so the Channel Islands, they got rid of all the sheep, got rid of the goats, if there were goats, I'm not sure, turkey, a few other things, but they couldn't get rid of the pigs.

00:54:38.000 And so they brought in hunters for a while, they opened it up, pig guys came and shot them, and then they tried to get guys, I think actually from here, from Texas, to come and fly and shoot the pigs and stuff, and the Channel Islands, Santa Cruz Island in particular, is so canyonous and difficult, they're having a really hard time,

00:54:54.000 and for whatever reason, they brought in these helicopter pilots from New Zealand, who fly the fjords down there, And I was lucky enough to work on some of these projects, so I was actually in those helicopters going through these slot canyons and stuff.

00:55:05.000 It was really cool.

00:55:06.000 I wasn't doing any pig shooting.

00:55:08.000 I was going in for ants, like I said, and weeds and some other stuff.

00:55:11.000 And, yeah, and the helicopter pilots and shooters from New Zealand were the ones who managed to take out the final pigs on Santa Cruz. 0.67

00:55:17.000 Pigs can have three litters a year. 0.81

00:55:20.000 Yeah.

00:55:20.000 That's what's nuts.

00:55:21.000 Well, we have, what is it, six million pigs in the United States now? 0.88

00:55:24.000 They came from 11. LAUGHTER Is that real?

00:55:28.000 Yeah.

00:55:29.000 Wow.

00:55:30.000 11 pigs that were dropped off in Florida. 0.99

00:55:32.000 I think mainland Florida, maybe the Keys, but 11 pigs is what they believe. 0.95

00:55:36.000 And that was by the Spaniards, right? 0.92

00:55:38.000 Correct.

00:55:38.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 Nuts.

00:55:40.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:55:40.000 I mean, that's crazy, but maybe it's even crazier the fact that they brought smallpox as well and killed 90% of the Native Americans.

00:55:48.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

00:55:50.000 That's a little worse.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 When you tell people that, because so many people, most people are aware there was a genocide of Native Americans.

00:55:57.000 Sure.

00:55:58.000 But most people are not aware that most of it was due to disease.

00:56:01.000 Right.

00:56:01.000 When I had explained that to someone that it was 90% of the people were killed by smallpox, they were like, what?

00:56:06.000 And it was purposely introduced disease, correct?

00:56:08.000 I don't believe so.

00:56:09.000 Oh, it just came with people?

00:56:11.000 Yeah, it just came with people.

00:56:12.000 Interesting.

00:56:12.000 I mean, I don't think they really understood how to introduce diseases back then.

00:56:16.000 I see.

00:56:16.000 Like the idea that they thought that you could have it on a blanket.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:21.000 That's true.

00:56:22.000 Oh, interesting.

00:56:23.000 Let's find that out.

00:56:23.000 I believe that myth has been busted.

00:56:26.000 But they know now that that's what killed off the Mayans. 0.97

00:56:30.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 Because there was always this big mystery.

00:56:32.000 Like, where did the Mayans go?

00:56:33.000 Where did these people go?

00:56:34.000 They had this incredible civilization, so complex, and mimicked the cosmos and their architecture.

00:56:40.000 There's no evidence that the scheme worked.

00:56:42.000 Oh, this is regarding the blanket.

00:56:44.000 The infection of the blankets was apparently old, so no one could catch smallpox from the blankets.

00:56:48.000 Besides, the Indians just had smallpox.

00:56:51.000 Smallpox had reached Fort Pitt and had come from Indians, and anyone susceptible to smallpox had already had it.

00:56:57.000 Yeah, I just think it was just a thing that people had, and they brought it over, and then it killed everybody.

00:57:03.000 It also killed everybody in the Amazon.

00:57:05.000 And people here in the Americas had no tolerance to it, right?

00:57:09.000 Because they hadn't evolved alongside the disease, which had evolved over thousands of years or millions of years.

00:57:14.000 They had no natural immunity to it.

00:57:16.000 And then that's also what they believe was responsible for decimating the Amazon.

00:57:21.000 They think the Amazon had millions of people.

00:57:23.000 The Incans and the Mayans and all those things.

00:57:25.000 All those people.

00:57:26.000 I didn't realize that.

00:57:27.000 That's really interesting.

00:57:28.000 The really wild stuff that's being done on the Amazon is LIDAR. Oh, I know.

00:57:33.000 Where they're finding all this evidence of these ancient structures that were just overcome by the jungle.

00:57:38.000 Have you seen the Honduran Lost City of the Monkey God? 0.98

00:57:42.000 Yes.

00:57:44.000 There's a legit full civilization in Honduras.

00:57:48.000 Like a bustling city that they found in LIDAR two or three years ago.

00:57:52.000 Using LIDAR two or three years ago.

00:57:53.000 Just empty.

00:57:54.000 Empty.

00:57:55.000 But like a full scale city.

00:57:57.000 Not like a village or a town.

00:57:59.000 Like tens of thousands.

00:58:00.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00

00:58:02.000 Fucking wild. 0.99

00:58:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:03.000 But it totally makes sense, man, if you bring in smallpox. 0.99

00:58:06.000 I mean, smallpox kills like 90% of the people that get it.

00:58:09.000 Right, right. 0.91

00:58:10.000 So it just fucking decimated the populations of these places where these European settlers made through. 0.86

00:58:16.000 That's the whole story behind the lost city of Z, you know? 1.00

00:58:19.000 Well, I knew that the city went away, and Percy went to look for it with his son and his son's friend, blah, blah, blah, but I didn't realize that the idea that smallpox had wiped it out was the reason behind it.

00:58:30.000 Well, the theory behind it is, and all sorts of diseases, not just smallpox, but that when the Europeans first came through, when they first reported about these immense cities...

00:58:39.000 They were there.

00:58:39.000 Yeah, they were there.

00:58:40.000 And so then when people came back, like, a hundred years later, they're like, this is bullshit. 0.94

00:58:44.000 Because the jungle would just overcome everything. 0.94

00:58:46.000 And it can in so little time.

00:58:48.000 So little time.

00:58:48.000 It's crazy.

00:58:49.000 The rate of growth when the jungle's left alone is unbelievable.

00:58:53.000 And then there's the weirdness that the jungle itself is actually man-made.

00:58:58.000 Whoa, hold on.

00:58:59.000 I don't know about this.

00:59:00.000 Yeah, you didn't know that?

00:59:00.000 No, tell me.

00:59:01.000 Yes, most of the plants that are overwhelming the rainforest are from agriculture.

00:59:08.000 From ancient civilizations.

00:59:09.000 Yeah, I think it's like the ice cream bean tree and a bunch of other different trees.

00:59:14.000 But these trees were all trees that had been grown.

00:59:17.000 Yes, it is actually man-made.

00:59:19.000 One of thousands of earthworks built by remarkable but little-known ancient societies.

00:59:24.000 The Amazon prior to the arrival of Europeans in the Americas in 1492 is commonly depicted as a pristine wilderness dotted with small, simple communities.

00:59:33.000 Wow.

00:59:35.000 The Amazon rainforest created.

00:59:37.000 Yeah, click on that one.

00:59:40.000 This supposedly pristine, untouched Amazon rainforest was actually shaped by humans.

00:59:45.000 Over thousands of years, native people played a strong role in molding the ecology of this vast wilderness.

00:59:51.000 So these trees that overwhelm the rainforest, they were planted.

00:59:57.000 They're cultivated.

00:59:58.000 Yeah, and then they just, they became, they just run amok.

01:00:01.000 Interesting.

01:00:01.000 Yeah, they're just really fertile in the ground.

01:00:05.000 They had developed this type, was it called terra prata?

01:00:10.000 Terra Prada?

01:00:11.000 Is that what it's called?

01:00:12.000 They had developed a very specific type of soil that they actually...

01:00:17.000 Oh, yes.

01:00:18.000 I know about this.

01:00:19.000 And we've been unable to replicate it.

01:00:21.000 Exactly.

01:00:21.000 Yes, I do know a bit about that.

01:00:22.000 Yeah.

01:00:24.000 But I guess the difference...

01:00:25.000 Terra Prada.

01:00:25.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:00:26.000 But I guess the difference being those were all native plants, right?

01:00:31.000 So while the Amazon may have been cultivated by different tribes in the Amazon, they're not getting those plants or trees from anywhere but the immediate surrounding area, right?

01:00:40.000 I mean, maybe not immediate, but within the South Americas.

01:00:43.000 I'm not exactly sure.

01:00:44.000 Right?

01:00:44.000 Because it's not like they're importing olives from Spain, right?

01:00:47.000 They're using the resources.

01:00:49.000 Yeah, I don't think they're saying they're invasive.

01:00:51.000 I'm just thinking they're cultivated.

01:00:52.000 But that's fascinating.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:00:54.000 Because you certainly don't think of that.

01:00:56.000 And you don't think of, at least in today's world, I don't think of the Amazon as being populous.

01:01:00.000 I mean, I'm not talking about Manaus and cities.

01:01:03.000 I'm talking about the wild Amazon.

01:01:04.000 You don't think of civilizations being able to impact...

01:01:08.000 That much vastness.

01:01:10.000 Graham Hancock thinks there was 20 million people living in it.

01:01:12.000 20 million?

01:01:13.000 Yeah.

01:01:13.000 Wow.

01:01:14.000 That's unbelievable.

01:01:15.000 He thinks it is a vast society.

01:01:18.000 Wow.

01:01:18.000 It was filled with human beings and structures.

01:01:21.000 And this is all being, like, they have only used LIDAR in a very small percentage of the Amazon.

01:01:26.000 Of course, yeah.

01:01:27.000 And they're showing all sorts of structures and irrigation systems and grids that indicate cities and blocks.

01:01:33.000 It's wild stuff, man.

01:01:35.000 I mean, it sort of makes sense in the sense of the abundance of resources down there.

01:01:41.000 It's easy to grow a population when you have so much natural resources.

01:01:45.000 Everything that you plant grows.

01:01:48.000 There's another side of that argument that I've heard paleontologists make, where when things are too easy, people don't evolve.

01:01:55.000 That's a different side of that coin.

01:01:57.000 But if you think about it from a logical standpoint of when things are easy, it's easy to increase your population.

01:02:04.000 When you're not fighting for survival every day because there's coconuts and palm trees and blah, blah, blah, blah, it's easy to reproduce and have more kids and grow a society versus when you're spending half of your life just trying to get by.

01:02:16.000 That's an interesting argument that when things are easy that people don't grow or evolve.

01:02:20.000 That seems weird to me because it would seem to me that once your resources were taken care of, once you have food and shelter, you have more time to think.

01:02:28.000 So you have more time to make life convenient, more time to sell goods that would be valuable to people, more time to improve and innovate on those goods.

01:02:38.000 I don't know.

01:02:57.000 Those are, at this time, and this is an older publication, I believe, those were the least developed societies in the world.

01:03:03.000 As you get further away from the equator, you know, up into the Arctic, not the Arctic, but like up into Scandinavia and so on and so forth, you get more and more advanced civilizations.

01:03:13.000 Hmm.

01:03:13.000 Because when there's a hard winter coming or it's just harder to survive, even though there's abundant resources, you need to adapt and overcome and develop in order to prepare for that winter, in order to prepare for a famine time period versus when it's all just available to you at any time.

01:03:30.000 The reason why that doesn't make any sense is Egypt.

01:03:33.000 Sure.

01:03:34.000 That doesn't make any sense because that's the absolutely most sophisticated culture pre what we understand of history.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, true.

01:03:41.000 But not on the equator.

01:03:43.000 It is quite far from the equator.

01:03:44.000 It is far from the equator, but it's also like very, very lush.

01:03:48.000 Very.

01:03:49.000 Like the Nile Valley, they think, you know, 9,000 plus years ago was like extremely lush, which is one of the reasons why they were able to reach this high level of sophistication is because they had access to resources.

01:04:00.000 Which aligns with the idea that the Amazon had the same things.

01:04:03.000 And I agree with you, by the way.

01:04:04.000 I think that if you have an abundance of food and resources, you have a better ability to create.

01:04:11.000 Yeah, that makes more sense to me, but I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

01:04:15.000 I think both things could exist.

01:04:16.000 I agree.

01:04:17.000 Like, you could have it too easy, or you could have it to the point where there's plenty of food to hunt and gather, and you see no need to move out of the hunter-gatherer stage.

01:04:27.000 Sure.

01:04:27.000 But then you could also see, like, super sophisticated societies that lived in that area, like they think the Amazon was.

01:04:35.000 Right, right.

01:04:36.000 That they would innovate.

01:04:38.000 Totally.

01:04:38.000 Yeah, and it makes sense.

01:04:39.000 Also, you have a large population.

01:04:41.000 Even if it's a small percentage of people innovating, it's going to...

01:04:44.000 It's gonna impact the great number of people.

01:04:47.000 If you have enough people, there's gonna be people that are creating, right?

01:04:50.000 There's no way there aren't. 0.99

01:04:51.000 Yeah, and then people came through there with their cough and coughed on everybody and fucking killed them off. 0.99

01:04:56.000 That's that. 0.99

01:04:57.000 It's just really wild, man.

01:04:59.000 It's really wild if you think if that is true, that how horrific that is that they just basically reset everybody back to the Stone Age.

01:05:06.000 And if you think about, has that happened before, and will it happen again? 0.86

01:05:11.000 I remember distinctly thinking, well, at first, I think I might have told you this story, when COVID hit, I was in Indonesia, and I was like, this is stupid, it's like bird flu, it'll all be over in 10 days, and boy, was I wrong.

01:05:21.000 But I remember shortly after that, distinctly thinking, like, this might be the beginning of the collapse, right?

01:05:28.000 Like, this could be where...

01:05:30.000 Human population collapses like this is the plane that the planet has been waiting for this is our this generation of smallpox but it it obviously science and medicine overcame that at too fast of a rate and it really wasn't that lethal but it wasn't it was the fact that it wasn't lethal right even if science and medicine didn't do anything it wasn't gonna kill everybody off true true but I remember thinking because there's a lot of hysteria around yeah you know I remember thinking maybe this is it but I guess my point being do you think that that's gonna happen again It certainly could.

01:05:58.000 I mean, it has before.

01:05:59.000 It probably will again.

01:06:00.000 I mean, I was scared of it, too.

01:06:02.000 In March of 2020, I thought, oh my god, it's going down.

01:06:05.000 When they were shutting the country down, I was like, Jesus Christ, we're living in a movie.

01:06:09.000 Everything, right?

01:06:10.000 You couldn't go into a hospital.

01:06:11.000 You couldn't visit a grocery.

01:06:13.000 Everything.

01:06:14.000 It felt like the whole world was collapsing.

01:06:15.000 The problem is there was an irresponsible level of fear that was promoted by the media because the media has an interest in getting you to pay attention to what they're saying.

01:06:27.000 And that irresponsible level of fear, the problem with that is like even if they know what they're doing, they know that it's propaganda, people get sucked in and then they get scared forever.

01:06:40.000 And if you don't ever give them good data and you're always exaggerating the threat and exaggerating the death number...

01:06:47.000 Dr. Lina Nguyen, who was like the biggest proponent of, you know, shut everything down, shame the unvaccinated, cast them out of society, all that. 1.00

01:06:58.000 Now she's saying that they...

01:07:01.000 She had a recent article where she said they overestimated the amount of people that actually died from COVID. And I think she said the real number is about 30% of what they're claiming.

01:07:15.000 Oh, you're kidding.

01:07:16.000 Oh, wow.

01:07:17.000 Because when you die of COVID, if you also have cancer, if you're dying of something else, but you test positive for COVID, they call it a COVID death.

01:07:26.000 They call it a COVID death.

01:07:26.000 I remember reading that.

01:07:27.000 Even accidents and even people that like, because there was a financial incentive.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:33.000 It was just part of the problem.

01:07:35.000 Dr. Lina Wen slammed after admitting there's been an over counting of COVID deaths two and a half years late.

01:07:40.000 Wen claimed the actual COVID-19 death could be only 30% of what's currently reported.

01:07:47.000 There's also been, I mean, I don't know how the system exactly works, but there's been doctors that explained what incentive there is to put someone on a ventilator, what incentive there is to prescribe remdesivir.

01:08:02.000 Because it's all financial decisions, right?

01:08:04.000 Exactly.

01:08:05.000 Because of the emergency use authorization, because of the pandemic, there's all these. 0.88

01:08:09.000 And when you have money involved, things get fucking squirrely. 0.86

01:08:12.000 Always. 0.78

01:08:13.000 They get real weird.

01:08:14.000 Always. 0.98

01:08:14.000 And then, I didn't realize, like, I'm so ignorant. 0.98

01:08:16.000 I didn't know that most hospitals, or a large number of hospitals, are privately owned.

01:08:23.000 They're businesses.

01:08:24.000 Yeah.

01:08:24.000 I was like, what?

01:08:25.000 Yeah, you're like, wait a minute.

01:08:26.000 Where's this money coming from?

01:08:28.000 Something that the government funds so that we all take care of each other.

01:08:32.000 Not here.

01:08:33.000 Not in this country.

01:08:33.000 No.

01:08:34.000 And then you have the fact that pharmaceutical companies are responsible for 75% of the ads on television.

01:08:41.000 Really?

01:08:42.000 Yes.

01:08:42.000 75%?

01:08:43.000 75% of the ads on television.

01:08:47.000 We're one of two countries on earth that allows pharmaceutical companies to advertise.

01:08:51.000 I had no idea.

01:08:52.000 The other one is New Zealand and they're far more restrictive than we are.

01:08:55.000 So you have so much financial incentive.

01:08:58.000 And we lost people in terms of losing their mind and their anxiety that never came back.

01:09:05.000 I just saw an article today about how I think it's time to mask up at award shows again.

01:09:10.000 Oh, really?

01:09:11.000 Yeah, see how you find that. 1.00

01:09:12.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

01:09:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:09:14.000 It's a cold.

01:09:15.000 Right.

01:09:15.000 It's basically gotten down to a cold now.

01:09:17.000 To the point, yeah, it's become so benign to human beings.

01:09:20.000 If you're that vulnerable, you shouldn't be going to the award show.

01:09:24.000 In the first place.

01:09:25.000 Yes.

01:09:25.000 If you're not healthy.

01:09:27.000 Right.

01:09:27.000 And also.

01:09:28.000 Right, right.

01:09:28.000 Just make smart choices, right?

01:09:29.000 Protect yourself.

01:09:30.000 Stay back.

01:09:31.000 And there's still, still, after all these years, still, no encouraging people to take vitamin D. No encouraging people to lose weight.

01:09:40.000 No encouraging people to take care of their overall metabolic health so that they'll have a more robust immune system and they can survive these things.

01:09:48.000 Right, right.

01:09:49.000 Nope.

01:09:49.000 Nothing.

01:09:50.000 Nothing.

01:09:51.000 Almost the opposite.

01:09:52.000 I would say junk food's more prevalent than ever in pushing, you know, that whole... 0.99

01:09:56.000 I mean, fucking... 0.99

01:09:57.000 Lucky Charms, right? 1.00

01:09:58.000 Yeah, the Lucky Charms thing.

01:09:59.000 It might be time to mask up an award show. 1.00

01:10:01.000 It might be time to stop your fucking award shows. 1.00

01:10:04.000 How about that? 1.00

01:10:05.000 Nobody likes them.

01:10:06.000 You guys like them.

01:10:07.000 We don't even like them.

01:10:08.000 We watch them because there's nothing else.

01:10:10.000 The kind of people that really like award shows, they wish they were there.

01:10:13.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:10:13.000 I wish I was getting that award.

01:10:15.000 I don't think...

01:10:16.000 Do they even televise them anymore?

01:10:17.000 I don't even see them anymore.

01:10:19.000 I mean, they tell us the Oscars.

01:10:20.000 Yeah.

01:10:20.000 Well, I mean, I remember when that was like a big thing.

01:10:22.000 Like, you sit around and watch the Oscars.

01:10:24.000 I don't think I even heard the last time there was an Oscars.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, you heard when Will Smith slapped Chris Rock.

01:10:29.000 I did see that.

01:10:30.000 That's it.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, I did see that.

01:10:31.000 That was the last fucking dying breath of the Oscars, I think. 0.99

01:10:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:35.000 Interesting.

01:10:36.000 They don't work.

01:10:38.000 That's the other thing.

01:10:39.000 That's the other thing Lena Wynn said.

01:10:41.000 The cloth masks are essentially facial coverings.

01:10:44.000 Like, she didn't say that at the beginning of the pandemic, but she said it recently.

01:10:47.000 Interesting.

01:10:48.000 On CNN, they're like, huh?

01:10:49.000 Oh, they must have been very upset.

01:10:51.000 What?

01:10:51.000 Well, I think she's realizing that her reputation is at stake.

01:10:54.000 I see.

01:10:55.000 And she's got to actually report real facts.

01:10:57.000 Yeah.

01:10:57.000 And so that, like, and also the writing on the wall.

01:11:00.000 Like, when we're looking back at this from five years from now, Or 10 years from now, we're looking at adverse reactions, and we're looking at all these different things, and what we did to kids, how we stunted their development by masking everybody and keeping them at home.

01:11:15.000 The whole thing's nuts.

01:11:16.000 And it was a very mild pandemic in terms of, like, the Spanish flu and the Black Plague and the horrific pandemics of the past.

01:11:25.000 Right, right.

01:11:25.000 Very true.

01:11:27.000 I... One of my best friends sadly passed away during COVID in a rock climbing accident.

01:11:32.000 Not from COVID. But when he went to the hospital, he was climbing in Utah, fell without his helmet, and did his skull in.

01:11:40.000 And it was terrible.

01:11:41.000 Tommy Dutra, he was one of my best friends.

01:11:43.000 Amazing guy.

01:11:44.000 Incredible athlete.

01:11:45.000 Anyway, he went to the hospital and his dad called all of us, right?

01:11:48.000 All of his close friends and his family and everything else.

01:11:51.000 Nobody was allowed in the hospital.

01:11:53.000 His own parents had to say goodbye to him over Zoom when they pulled the plug.

01:11:56.000 Oh, good.

01:11:57.000 All of it.

01:11:57.000 It was right during the height of it all.

01:11:59.000 And because he was getting out and climbing and doing something active during the pandemic, you know, when everybody else was sitting inside, his own fault for not wearing his helmet, so on and so forth.

01:12:09.000 But terrible tragedy.

01:12:10.000 But just imagine not being able to say goodbye to your son in that situation because of that whole heightened, like we're talking about the heightened fear thing, right?

01:12:20.000 The heightened hysteria.

01:12:21.000 It wasn't even COVID positive.

01:12:23.000 It doesn't even make sense.

01:12:24.000 But they weren't allowed in the hospital.

01:12:26.000 Yeah, unbelievable.

01:12:28.000 I mean, there's two tragedies simultaneously, right?

01:12:31.000 The big ones that he died hitting his head while climbing.

01:12:34.000 Of course, of course, yeah.

01:12:35.000 What a way to go.

01:12:36.000 Yeah, yeah, poor guy.

01:12:39.000 But he died doing what he loved, though.

01:12:42.000 He was an incredible climber and very passionate about it, so, you know.

01:12:46.000 Yeah, I talked to Gabor Mate about that, who's an expert in addictions and trauma, and he thinks that people that are drawn to free solo climbing, like the Alex Honnold types of the world...

01:13:02.000 The addiction of the adrenaline.

01:13:04.000 He's like, there's something wrong with the way they developed, and they're muted.

01:13:09.000 And maybe because of so much persistent trauma when they were young...

01:13:14.000 Oh, interesting.

01:13:16.000 I forget exactly how he described it, but that this is a reaction to trauma, like youthful trauma.

01:13:22.000 So they're putting themselves in trauma's way or harm's way to compensate for something that's happened historically.

01:13:28.000 They're putting themselves in trauma's way because that's the only way they feel things.

01:13:33.000 Yeah.

01:13:34.000 I mean, I... Well, that's the only way they feel alive.

01:13:37.000 Like, they get this...

01:13:38.000 I don't know how you feel what someone else feels.

01:13:42.000 Right.

01:13:43.000 How would you really know?

01:13:44.000 How do you answer that?

01:13:44.000 Yeah, right.

01:13:45.000 I mean, I can sort of understand that in a sense of, like, I'm not an adrenaline junkie.

01:13:49.000 Like, I don't go for skydives or, you know, any of that stuff.

01:13:52.000 It doesn't drive me.

01:13:54.000 But that thrill and rush I get of, you know, darting a bear or working with a lion or doing, you know, swimming with an anaconda, like, that fuels me for weeks.

01:14:03.000 Like, I... I'm getting goosebumps thinking about some of them right now because I get so excited by, and it's not just for a personal rush, but rather, you know, we're doing it for work or whatever, but those moments stick with me forever.

01:14:15.000 And I sort of get that, but not like, I'm just going to risk my life over this climb or whatever, you know?

01:14:22.000 What are your thoughts on giant anacondas?

01:14:25.000 Because there's always been this thing about enormous anacondas that live in the rainforest.

01:14:31.000 So, yeah, it's fascinating.

01:14:33.000 So, I love anacondas.

01:14:34.000 I believe, and I've got a colleague, Brian Fry, in Australia, actually, and he has a similar belief, that there are 30-foot anacondas.

01:14:42.000 Now, 30 is a big anaconda, but you're talking about those mysterious, like, 50, 100-footers.

01:14:47.000 Okay, so...

01:14:49.000 Take out the Amazon and take out anacondas for a second. 1.00

01:14:52.000 Okay.

01:14:52.000 Alright?

01:14:53.000 Think about where all the largest snakes are in the world.

01:14:56.000 Florida!

01:14:57.000 Well, now, yes.

01:14:58.000 But, you know, we've got all these wet tropical environments that house these huge snakes.

01:15:03.000 In Indonesia, you have articulated pythons, you have Burmese pythons, you have African rock pythons, Indian rock pythons, anacondas, all these big snakes.

01:15:11.000 Yeah.

01:15:11.000 The only place...

01:15:13.000 That has a wet, tropical, humid, high density of prey environment that doesn't have a massive snake is the Congo, Central Africa.

01:15:23.000 Now, stay with me.

01:15:25.000 These, that area is home to some African rockbites and stuff, but not big monster anaconda-sized ones, right? 1.00

01:15:32.000 But during World War II, there was a colonel who flew over there, and this is a well-respected colonel.

01:15:39.000 I'm sure, Jamie, you'll be able to find this very quickly.

01:15:41.000 A well-respected, like, I forget, he had, like, his wings or his patch of honor or whatever, like, very distinguished, who him and his two passengers in the plane both reported a hundred-foot-long snake.

01:15:53.000 They flew over it once, They were like, wait a minute, what is that?

01:15:57.000 They were Dutch, Belgium, and the Congo.

01:15:59.000 They flew over it once, went, what is that?

01:16:01.000 And flew over it two more times to verify it, and got so low to the ground that they said the snake struck at the airplane, and all three people, the pilot, this well-respected colonel, and the two passengers had the exact same story of this giant snake in Central Africa.

01:16:17.000 Interesting.

01:16:18.000 Yeah, and yet no big snake has ever been proven from there.

01:16:20.000 But it's also a very poorly biologically explored area.

01:16:25.000 And most of the time, when these animals get this big, snakes or otherwise, they're in very low...

01:16:30.000 Yeah, here's the picture.

01:16:31.000 They took a photo of it?

01:16:33.000 They did.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, they did.

01:16:35.000 They're in very low densities, so...

01:16:38.000 Hmm.

01:16:38.000 That's the real photo over on the left there.

01:16:40.000 What do they think it was?

01:16:42.000 They thought it was a giant snake, a 50-foot long...

01:16:45.000 So that's the photo right there?

01:16:46.000 I believe so.

01:16:48.000 But the story's fascinating of these kernels...

01:16:50.000 But they don't know, like, what kind of snake?

01:16:52.000 They don't know if it was an anaconda or a python or...

01:16:55.000 It would be an undescribed species because the only snake there, the African rock python, doesn't get that big.

01:17:00.000 What is the biggest snake that we know?

01:17:02.000 Oh, it says it measured approximately 50 feet in length, saw brown-green with a white belly, has a triangle-shaped jaw and a head three by two feet.

01:17:13.000 Oh, my God!

01:17:14.000 A three-foot head! 0.99

01:17:15.000 The photo was later analyzed and verified to be genuine.

01:17:19.000 Van Lierd claims that...

01:17:22.000 Is that how you say his name?

01:17:22.000 I'm not sure, but that was the Colonel, Remy Van Lierd.

01:17:25.000 As he flew lower for a closer inspection, the snake rose up approximately 10 feet, giving a warning that it would have attacked a helicopter if it had been within striking range.

01:17:36.000 But imagine flying over and having a snake sort of lunge at a helicopter.

01:17:41.000 Imagine a three-foot snake head.

01:17:42.000 Jesus Christ.

01:17:44.000 So, Jamie, do you mind going to my Instagram quickly? 0.70

01:17:46.000 Literally swallow you alive, easily.

01:17:48.000 Dude, look at this one.

01:17:49.000 I posted a picture the day before yesterday.

01:17:52.000 This is 18 feet, and look at the size of it compared to me and how scary this snake is.

01:17:57.000 Oof.

01:17:58.000 Now, to think of, yeah, like you said, you're like an M&M to a snake that size. 0.86

01:18:03.000 You're a Tic Tac.

01:18:04.000 You're one of them chocolate-covered almonds that are so good for you.

01:18:06.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:18:07.000 Look at the size of that thing!

01:18:08.000 That's an 18-footer, and look at how...

01:18:10.000 Granted, it's not 3 foot by 2 foot head, but still, that thing...

01:18:14.000 What's the weight on something like that?

01:18:17.000 It was over 200 at Broker's scale.

01:18:19.000 Wow.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, it was over 200 pounds.

01:18:21.000 Wow.

01:18:22.000 Indonesian villagers claim to have captured a python that is almost 49 feet long and weighs nearly 990 pounds.

01:18:30.000 I've seen this.

01:18:31.000 It's not verified at all.

01:18:34.000 Do they have an image of it?

01:18:36.000 This might be the one that's on the tractor.

01:18:38.000 No, it's not.

01:18:39.000 There's a fake one on a tractor that floated around.

01:18:43.000 Well, it's just very forced perspective.

01:18:45.000 It's like a wide-angle lens and the snake is right in front, but it looks massive.

01:18:48.000 But this is NBC. This is NBC News.

01:18:51.000 Let's see if it has images, this sucker. 0.99

01:18:57.000 So these are all like retics and, you know, there are big snakes out there. 1.00

01:19:01.000 Look at the size of that goddamn thing. 1.00

01:19:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:04.000 Jesus.

01:19:05.000 So, what is the biggest snake?

01:19:08.000 Is it a python?

01:19:09.000 The biggest snake that we know of?

01:19:11.000 So the heaviest is the reticulated python.

01:19:13.000 Look at the size of that thing.

01:19:15.000 Yeah.

01:19:15.000 How big is that?

01:19:16.000 That's big.

01:19:17.000 It's probably 20-ish.

01:19:19.000 So there's quite a lot of 20-foot snakes out there.

01:19:21.000 And then there's a couple 21, 22s.

01:19:25.000 But that's it.

01:19:26.000 And so there's all these rumors of 30-foot snakes and 40-foot snakes and blah, blah, blah.

01:19:29.000 And there's nothing that's been verified outside of one skin, I believe.

01:19:34.000 I want to say from Indonesia, that is like, but skin stretch.

01:19:38.000 That's the other thing, too.

01:19:39.000 That says it turns out to be a tall tail.

01:19:40.000 It says, when Recreation Park in Indonesia put a huge reticulated python on show last week, keepers insisted to reporters it was 49 feet long, make it the longest ever caught, but the find turned out to be a tall tail.

01:19:53.000 Yeah.

01:19:53.000 So how big was it exactly?

01:19:54.000 I bet it was 20-ish.

01:19:56.000 21, there it is.

01:19:57.000 Yeah, 21 feet still.

01:19:58.000 Yeah.

01:19:59.000 It's a big snake, man.

01:20:00.000 But not 50. Not 50. I have no idea why the snake has shrunk, said one keeper when asked about discrepancy as the snake lounged on a tree branch inside the cave.

01:20:11.000 But things do shrivel up when you catch them.

01:20:13.000 You know, like fish do.

01:20:15.000 Like when you catch a fish.

01:20:16.000 Yeah.

01:20:17.000 Well, definitely when you tell people about it.

01:20:20.000 It's when you show people.

01:20:22.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 I went fishing here in Austin this morning.

01:20:25.000 Oh, did you really?

01:20:26.000 Right downtown.

01:20:26.000 Literally right in front of the Google building.

01:20:28.000 Oh, Lady Bird Lake.

01:20:28.000 Lady Bird Lake?

01:20:29.000 Yeah, there's a lot of bass out there.

01:20:31.000 It was awesome, man.

01:20:31.000 Yeah, it's a great little spot.

01:20:32.000 Yeah, really fun.

01:20:33.000 Right in front of the Google building.

01:20:34.000 Right in front of it, yeah.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 So the biggest in the world is the python, right?

01:20:40.000 So they're bigger than anacondas?

01:20:41.000 So it's sort of a toss-up.

01:20:43.000 The reticulated python has been clocked as the heaviest snake in the world because they get fatter, but the anacondas have been clocked in slightly longer.

01:20:50.000 I think 26 feet is the longest ever recorded.

01:20:53.000 Did you ever see the Jennifer Lopez movie, Anaconda?

01:20:56.000 The documentary?

01:20:57.000 Yeah.

01:20:59.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:21:00.000 It's such a corny movie, man.

01:21:02.000 It's so good.

01:21:03.000 The bad, like, snake head if you watch it today.

01:21:05.000 Oh, it's so bad.

01:21:06.000 It's so bad.

01:21:08.000 But that was always the rumor, is that there was enormous snakes in the Amazon and that, you know, you just didn't see them.

01:21:14.000 I do believe...

01:21:16.000 That there are some megafauna out there that are yet to be found, that are in low populations.

01:21:21.000 You believe in the sloth, the giant sloth?

01:21:23.000 I believe that has a...

01:21:24.000 And again, that's like the thylacine.

01:21:26.000 It's a proven animal.

01:21:27.000 It's been 10,000 years, but it doesn't mean that it couldn't be extant in certain remote areas.

01:21:31.000 Same with some of these big snakes. 0.94

01:21:33.000 Maybe not 50, because maybe these things are embellished, but maybe 30, maybe 35, right?

01:21:37.000 And I just think that there are a few, not a lot, of these big things out there.

01:21:42.000 If you're one of these uncontacted Amazonian tribes, of which there are still several, West Papuan tribes, whatever...

01:21:49.000 And you're seeing a 50-foot snake.

01:21:52.000 Nobody in the Western world, we're not hearing about that.

01:21:55.000 Those things can be happening, and those stories get embellished and passed on and all of that, but we wouldn't even know until Western science gets in there.

01:22:03.000 And it's sort of a double-edged sword, because once it does, it sort of ruins certain aspects of that.

01:22:07.000 But I do believe that there are big animals to be found still.

01:22:11.000 And the sloth one, I watched a documentary on it once.

01:22:14.000 It was this guy who was like risking his reputation.

01:22:17.000 He was a biologist.

01:22:18.000 And he had spent months in the Amazon.

01:22:20.000 He was very frustrated.

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:22.000 Because he couldn't find anything.

01:22:23.000 And they kept saying, we saw it.

01:22:25.000 We saw it.

01:22:25.000 And he's like, where?

01:22:28.000 I know that feeling well.

01:22:29.000 And it's very frustrating because, you know, like I've even had people tell me they've eaten the thing that I'm looking for.

01:22:35.000 Really?

01:22:35.000 Yeah, when we were doing Extinct, you know, looking for the extinct animals, of which we had success quite a lot, but...

01:22:42.000 I've had guys be like, oh yeah, yeah, they're delicious.

01:22:44.000 I'm like...

01:22:45.000 What?

01:22:46.000 Like, tell me where to find it!

01:22:47.000 Like, you've eaten it, and you have no reason to lie about this whatsoever.

01:22:51.000 Like, please just help me.

01:22:53.000 What was this that they said they ate?

01:22:54.000 That was regarding that caiman, remember that yellow caiman?

01:22:56.000 And we did find them, so that worked out.

01:22:58.000 But literally, I remember we're walking through the village day one before we even get in the canoes, and I'm like showing people these pictures of all the different species of caiman, and I kept pointing to the...

01:23:09.000 Trumpa Largo Amorillo, the long-nosed yellow one, right? 0.98

01:23:12.000 And everybody's like, yes, no, maybe, one time.

01:23:15.000 And then one guy's like, oh, those are delicious!

01:23:17.000 And I'm like, oh god, can we put this on Animal Planet?

01:23:20.000 I don't even know.

01:23:22.000 Can you say that, that this thing is delicious?

01:23:25.000 Endangered species that you're eating.

01:23:27.000 Well, there was always these rumors of like these places where these billionaires would fly into in China and eat like gorilla.

01:23:34.000 Yeah.

01:23:35.000 Have you ever heard of that kind of stuff?

01:23:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:37.000 I've heard about it.

01:23:37.000 I believe it, too.

01:23:38.000 Do you?

01:23:39.000 I really do.

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 I think that especially, you know, you say like especially with China where the eastern medicine and the status symbol of eating tiger whiskers and this, that and the other thing.

01:23:48.000 There's a status symbol of eating something that's forbidden and very difficult to acquire.

01:23:53.000 Exactly.

01:23:54.000 And, you know, China has so many billionaires now.

01:23:57.000 I forget what it is, but dozens and dozens of them, right?

01:24:00.000 Like, if that status symbol is important to someone with that much power and money, how are you not getting it?

01:24:08.000 Yeah, what a weird culture.

01:24:10.000 Your status is based on eating something that's endangered.

01:24:14.000 It doesn't even click in my head.

01:24:16.000 Like, I cannot physically understand it.

01:24:18.000 Like, no part of me is like, oh, I get that.

01:24:20.000 Like, I really want to eat some tiger whiskers.

01:24:22.000 Have we ever talked about the Bondo ape?

01:24:25.000 Yes, you have.

01:24:26.000 Yeah, I know you like the Bondo ape a lot.

01:24:28.000 Yeah. 0.84

01:24:29.000 Big lion-killing apes.

01:24:30.000 Well, this is a big chimpanzee that lives in the Congo.

01:24:34.000 Yeah.

01:24:34.000 The Congo is so incredible.

01:24:36.000 It's like, God, what an insanely rich resource-ridden place that's also a war zone.

01:24:42.000 And being absolutely raped and pillaged by big corporations in the Western world for resources and minerals.

01:24:51.000 Yes.

01:24:51.000 I had Siddharth Kara on who his book, I think his book comes out.

01:24:56.000 Does it come out next week?

01:24:59.000 It comes out the end of January.

01:25:01.000 Okay.

01:25:01.000 But his book is all about cobalt mining in the Congo.

01:25:05.000 Oh, interesting.

01:25:05.000 It's horrifying.

01:25:07.000 I do want to read it.

01:25:08.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 Horrifying.

01:25:10.000 19-year-old girls with...

01:25:11.000 Babies on their back who are hand chipping cobalt out of the ground and then inhaling all these toxic fumes and powder, this dust.

01:25:24.000 And then that is in your cell phone. 1.00

01:25:27.000 That's how the cobalt gets into your fucking cell phone. 1.00

01:25:29.000 That's at your Apple store. 1.00

01:25:31.000 It's the new Blood Diamond, right?

01:25:33.000 It's the new...

01:25:33.000 And it's funny because I feel like the whole Blood Diamond thing and, you know, there's been lots of these things, but...

01:25:40.000 It all sort of went away because it got exposed, but I feel like no one's talking about the inhumane things that are taking place for our modern conveniences.

01:25:51.000 It's one thing when it's a luxury, like a blood diamond, right?

01:25:54.000 Or whatever.

01:25:56.000 But when it's like, oh, well, I can't live without my iPhone, you know, then it's like we're willing to turn a blind eye to it.

01:26:02.000 It's like people choose not to accept it because it's part of their life.

01:26:06.000 Just think about how many people who consider themselves social justice warriors and they do this complaining on a phone that's made by slaves. 0.99

01:26:13.000 Totally.

01:26:14.000 It's so crazy.

01:26:15.000 They're literally tweeting or texting or whatever their complaints on a thing that is contributing to the thing they're complaining about.

01:26:22.000 Well, they're contributing to the worst version of it in humanity right now.

01:26:26.000 Isn't it crazy?

01:26:27.000 Which is really crazy.

01:26:28.000 I mean, it's like literally human trafficking.

01:26:30.000 So in the book, does he actually go into the Congo and witness this?

01:26:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:26:35.000 He took video footage.

01:26:36.000 Oh, you're kidding.

01:26:36.000 His story is so compelling.

01:26:38.000 I must listen to it.

01:26:39.000 And he talks about it with such passion because he worked on this for years and years.

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 And risked his life to obtain footage and to get access and to go to these, what they're supposedly, you know, ethical minds.

01:26:53.000 Yeah.

01:26:54.000 And he's like, this is all horrible.

01:26:56.000 It goes, all of it is tainted.

01:26:58.000 Yeah.

01:26:58.000 All the cobalt that we have, all of it is at least in some part coming from these, you know, what they would call...

01:27:08.000 It's basically just the most primitive version.

01:27:11.000 People in flip-flops with hammers chipping it out of the ground.

01:27:15.000 What's extreme poverty?

01:27:16.000 Yes.

01:27:17.000 It's more like slavery.

01:27:19.000 It is.

01:27:20.000 Calling it extreme poverty, I think, is not quite accurate enough.

01:27:23.000 They call them artisanal minds, which is hilarious.

01:27:28.000 Anytime you slap that word onto anything, it's fun.

01:27:32.000 Oh, it's artisanal.

01:27:33.000 Oh, great.

01:27:34.000 I think someone's making pottery somewhere.

01:27:36.000 Yeah, totally, totally.

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 So back to the Bondo ape.

01:27:40.000 Sure.

01:27:40.000 Is that – what is – because I know there was some controversy behind that, and there's some people that sort of denied its existence, but then Carl Armand got photographs of them, and they obtained skulls that were a chimpanzee skull that had a crest.

01:27:57.000 Yeah.

01:27:57.000 Well, they also had like a crest, like the same way that a gorilla does.

01:28:02.000 My understanding, and this is not something I'm super familiar with, but there's no denying that they existed, right?

01:28:08.000 There was this insular gigantism that took place within this group of chimpanzees.

01:28:13.000 There was heightened aggression.

01:28:15.000 That's all known and documented.

01:28:17.000 But it wasn't a new species.

01:28:19.000 It wasn't a distinct species.

01:28:21.000 It was...

01:28:23.000 Sexual or rather natural selection that led to these animals being different and isolated and turning into larger, more aggressive chimpanzees.

01:28:32.000 That's my understanding of it.

01:28:34.000 But would that also make their skulls different?

01:28:39.000 It can do, you know?

01:28:40.000 Because like, okay, well, oddly enough, we have a skull of a chimpanzee.

01:28:43.000 Yeah, it's very cool.

01:28:44.000 This is made by Shane Against the Machine, who's a guy on Instagram who's an incredible artist.

01:28:50.000 Oh, cool.

01:28:50.000 He's made a couple of pieces for the podcast, too.

01:28:52.000 Oh, rad.

01:28:52.000 The difference is with this skull versus what they think the Bondo ape skull is, that the Bondo ape has like a bone mohawk down the center.

01:29:02.000 Right through here, yeah.

01:29:02.000 Yeah, like a gorilla does.

01:29:04.000 Sure.

01:29:04.000 So, you know, sexual selection over time can evolve for anything, can adapt for anything, right?

01:29:10.000 That's why peacocks have the silly tail they have. 1.00

01:29:12.000 It doesn't help them fly, right? 0.98

01:29:14.000 It's only sexual selection.

01:29:16.000 It's being bred for.

01:29:17.000 So, you get a bunch of chimps stuck on an island, stuck in a region, and the females decide, for whatever reason, that a bump on the head is sexy. 1.00

01:29:26.000 Okay?

01:29:26.000 Now, every chimp that has a slight bump on its head is being selected for by the females to reproduce offspring.

01:29:33.000 Okay?

01:29:34.000 Fast forward 15, 20 generations, maybe 200 generations, whatever, they all have a crest on their head.

01:29:40.000 That is how evolution begins.

01:29:42.000 Because now, you fast forward millions of years, and the sexual selection has been selected for over and over and over and over, and you're starting to turn into a new creature, a new organism altogether.

01:29:53.000 If I'm not, I don't think I'm incorrect here.

01:29:57.000 I think the crest indicates enormous mandible muscles.

01:30:01.000 Because the muscles attach up there?

01:30:03.000 Yeah, I think that's what the crest is for.

01:30:06.000 Because that's how it is with dogs.

01:30:08.000 Sure.

01:30:08.000 Like, have you ever noticed a difference between a dog that's castrated and a dog that's not fixed?

01:30:12.000 In temperament, sure.

01:30:14.000 The size of their heads.

01:30:15.000 Oh, interesting, yeah.

01:30:16.000 Like, my dog is a golden retriever, the sweetest dog in the world, but he has a pretty big head.

01:30:21.000 And the muscles in his head are big, on the sides of his head, because he has his testosterone.

01:30:27.000 Whereas we met this other golden retriever that was fixed, and he has this narrow little tiny head, and it's because he doesn't have any muscles.

01:30:35.000 So that's the difference of sexual selection, like the peacock, or what I explained, and natural selection.

01:30:40.000 So if these Bondo apes are only eating, and I'm just making this up, and I know the theories of them killing lions and everything, but if they're only eating coconuts, let's say, right? 0.85

01:30:50.000 And they have to tear them apart.

01:30:51.000 They have to rip through a coconut with strong jaws. 0.98

01:30:53.000 Well, if you got weak jaws or weak jaw muscles or weak mandibles, whatever, you're going to die.

01:30:59.000 So over time, again, the only ones that are surviving are the ones that have this ridge on their head that are naturally being selected for stronger muscles.

01:31:08.000 So they just think it's like a subspecies of chimp?

01:31:11.000 That's my understanding of it.

01:31:12.000 Yeah, that's what I had thought.

01:31:14.000 They don't think it's a different chimp, but they do think it's different in terms of its size and temperament. 0.99

01:31:19.000 And we see that all the time, right?

01:31:21.000 We see insular dwarfism where things are stuck on an island and they get smaller and smaller because of the lack of resources or gigantism for the opposite reason.

01:31:29.000 We see that all the time within species.

01:31:31.000 Or people that live in Iceland. 1.00

01:31:33.000 Enormous, giant fucking people who used to be Vikings. 0.99

01:31:36.000 Exactly, yeah. 0.99

01:31:37.000 How many world strongman champions have come from Iceland?

01:31:41.000 All of them?

01:31:42.000 A shitload of them.

01:31:42.000 Yeah.

01:31:43.000 They're all like that guy, the mountain from Game of Thrones.

01:31:45.000 I was just going to ask you, is he from Iceland?

01:31:47.000 He's from somewhere up there.

01:31:48.000 I think he is.

01:31:48.000 Yeah.

01:31:49.000 Is he from Iceland?

01:31:50.000 Well, his name is from Iceland.

01:31:52.000 Thor.

01:31:52.000 Thor Havorsund.

01:31:54.000 Exactly, yeah. 1.00

01:31:55.000 Try saying his fucking name. 0.99

01:31:57.000 But, I mean, that part of the world has produced an exorbitant number. 1.00

01:32:04.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:32:05.000 Iceland. 1.00

01:32:06.000 Look at that name, though.

01:32:07.000 Yeah.

01:32:07.000 Yeah, look at that name.

01:32:08.000 Julius Bjornensen?

01:32:10.000 Bjornensen?

01:32:11.000 First of all, they're not even using real letters.

01:32:13.000 No.

01:32:13.000 What's that thing after the F? I have no idea.

01:32:16.000 His name.

01:32:16.000 That's like a half a P, a half a B. A Brioblor.

01:32:20.000 Hafthor. 0.87

01:32:22.000 Hafthor. 0.87

01:32:22.000 Oh, it's literally transliterated as Hafthor in English. 0.87

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 Crazy.

01:32:29.000 That's a different species. 0.96

01:32:31.000 I'm sorry, that's a different species right there. 1.00

01:32:33.000 Look at the size of that fucker. 1.00

01:32:35.000 Look at that guy. 1.00

01:32:35.000 How big is that fucker? 1.00

01:32:37.000 Was he 6'9 or something? 1.00

01:32:39.000 But then his weight is astronomical.

01:32:42.000 Is he more than that?

01:32:44.000 His height?

01:32:45.000 6'8, I see it there.

01:32:46.000 203 centimeters. 1.00

01:32:47.000 Which, like, Shaquille O'Neal's looking down on that dude going, come on, bitch. 1.00

01:32:51.000 He's 7'1. 0.99

01:32:52.000 230. He's got to be more than that now, right?

01:32:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:55.000 Oh, that's nonsense.

01:32:59.000 That's not true at all.

01:33:00.000 Each of his quads weighs that.

01:33:02.000 Oh, maybe when he was 16. Even then.

01:33:07.000 Yeah, it's when he started basketball.

01:33:08.000 He started at 230. Oh, he's got it.

01:33:12.000 Well, I think he got really heavy.

01:33:16.000 But then he slimmed down to have a boxing match.

01:33:24.000 He had a boxing match with Eddie Hall.

01:33:26.000 Did he win?

01:33:27.000 Yeah, he won.

01:33:27.000 He actually looked really good.

01:33:29.000 It showed really good technique, too.

01:33:30.000 It wasn't like winging punches.

01:33:32.000 He was fighting like a boxer.

01:33:34.000 He trained for a long time for it.

01:33:35.000 I cannot imagine taking a hit from a guy like that, no matter who you are. 1.00

01:33:39.000 Can you imagine the size of his fucking mitts? 1.00

01:33:41.000 The momentum coming into that. 1.00

01:33:43.000 Yeah, just the sheer gravity behind each punch.

01:33:46.000 Boom.

01:33:47.000 It is fascinating how people in that part of the world, I mean, they were the Vikings. 0.98

01:33:51.000 That's why they're so fucking giant. 0.85

01:33:53.000 That's where they've come from. 0.98

01:33:54.000 Yeah.

01:33:55.000 That's amazing.

01:33:55.000 So I wanted to talk to you about this cloning and the rewilding of the mammoths and all that stuff.

01:34:02.000 I'm going to Colossal tomorrow to learn a little bit more about it myself.

01:34:06.000 Explain Colossal.

01:34:06.000 Yeah, so Colossal Biosciences is this, if you ask me, incredible company.

01:34:11.000 And they are, by their own declaration, a de-extinction company.

01:34:15.000 So it's this guy, Ben Lamb, and he's got George Church, who's a world-leading...

01:34:22.000 I don't know the specifics, you know, of de-extinction and cloning and CRISPR and so on and so forth.

01:34:26.000 And they've come together and raised a ton of money, and they are de-extincting animals.

01:34:32.000 And the science is there.

01:34:33.000 Like, it's done.

01:34:34.000 All it took was the money, basically, behind it.

01:34:37.000 And they've put together this incredible Rolodex of scientists and people, and it's real-life Jurassic Park with purpose.

01:34:43.000 Where are they going to put them?

01:34:45.000 So there's a couple different things going on.

01:34:46.000 So the first one they're working on is the woolly mammoth, right?

01:34:49.000 And this isn't just for fun.

01:34:50.000 This has real, like, important conservation implications, which is really fascinating.

01:34:56.000 But they are planning on starting with, I think, 100 mammoths and putting them in this place called Pleistocene Park.

01:35:05.000 Something like that.

01:35:06.000 This park in Siberia that they've been doing this experiment on as to what happens when you add megafauna back into the Arctic tundra to offset carbon emissions.

01:35:18.000 And so they're using what DNA? They're using elephant DNA and mixing it with something else?

01:35:24.000 So it's Indian elephant is the closest living relative to the woolly mammoth.

01:35:29.000 And what does an Indian elephant look like?

01:35:31.000 Is it similar to an elephant?

01:35:33.000 Yeah, it's a smaller...

01:35:34.000 So African elephants are bigger.

01:35:35.000 They have the really big ears.

01:35:36.000 Indian elephants are typically the ones you'd see at the circus, you know, with the red, the pink in the ears, the smaller triangular shaped ears.

01:35:43.000 So just a different species of elephant.

01:35:46.000 And so they're taking Indian elephants, and they're using CRISPR technology, and they're using existing mammoth DNA, and they're making an embryo, and then they're implanting it into the Indian elephant, and 22 months later, an Indian elephant's gestation period, she will give birth to a mammoth.

01:36:03.000 A real mammoth.

01:36:04.000 A real mammoth.

01:36:05.000 So it's not like a hybrid?

01:36:07.000 That's...

01:36:08.000 Okay.

01:36:08.000 That's a good point.

01:36:09.000 So it is, in the sense of what they do is, if you imagine like...

01:36:13.000 If you imagine the DNA of an animal, right?

01:36:16.000 And then you imagine the fragments that are broken out of it, right?

01:36:19.000 What they're doing is they're taking that DNA of the... 0.53

01:36:23.000 And I don't understand the cellular side of it very well.

01:36:25.000 This is just my base level understanding of it.

01:36:27.000 I can talk about the conservation side of it.

01:36:28.000 But they're taking that double helix, that DNA, and all those pieces that are missing from the mammoth, they're putting in Indian elephant pieces.

01:36:37.000 So you end up with an animal that is...

01:36:41.000 Physically and morphologically identical to a mammoth, but has used all of the DNA from the closest living relatives in order to get there.

01:36:51.000 Boy.

01:36:53.000 And this process, how long does this take?

01:36:57.000 So I think they've been going for about five years on the science, but the science of de-extinction and cloning, I mean, you remember Dolly the Sheep, right?

01:37:03.000 That was like a known thing.

01:37:04.000 So that's been going on for a long time.

01:37:06.000 Well, you can get your cat cloned.

01:37:07.000 Exactly.

01:37:08.000 Or your dog cloned.

01:37:09.000 Exactly.

01:37:09.000 For like 20 grand, you can clone your dog.

01:37:11.000 Yeah.

01:37:12.000 Which is kind of creepy.

01:37:13.000 It is.

01:37:13.000 It's bizarre.

01:37:15.000 But the point is, the science has been there for a while.

01:37:18.000 There just hasn't really been the funding or the motivation for it.

01:37:21.000 But what I think is so fascinating, the reason I'm so emotionally invested in it, Is the conservation implications that it has.

01:37:29.000 Because what this company is ultimately doing is rewilding species that humans have removed.

01:37:35.000 And that's going to, in theory, in a lot of places, sort of fix the offset, the imbalance of the ecosystem.

01:37:42.000 That's interesting.

01:37:43.000 That's really interesting.

01:37:45.000 There's a lot of debate about whether or not humans killed off the woolly mammoth, though, isn't there?

01:37:49.000 I think there is.

01:37:50.000 Yeah, I think there is.

01:37:50.000 And I can't really speak on that, but I do know that when the mammoths disappeared...

01:37:56.000 So, the Arctic used to be like the savannas of Africa.

01:37:59.000 It used to be big grasslands, right?

01:38:00.000 It wasn't all covered in trees and things.

01:38:02.000 And that's a recent adaptation since the mammoths went away 10, 20,000 years ago.

01:38:07.000 And so that's...

01:38:09.000 What's happened is the permafrost up there is melting pretty rapidly, right?

01:38:13.000 Underneath that permafrost is like one and a half trillion tons of carbon.

01:38:17.000 And once that carbon enters the atmosphere, it heats things up like crazy.

01:38:21.000 So by removing those mammoths...

01:38:25.000 And I can explain why the mammoths keep it colder, but by removing those mammoths, it's allowing that permafrost to melt much quicker and release more carbon.

01:38:32.000 So the idea, from a financial standpoint of how they make money, is the carbon offset of putting mammoths back into the environment.

01:38:39.000 How do they make it colder?

01:38:40.000 So it's a couple different things.

01:38:43.000 Basically, when there's trees and shrubs, they take in more heat, and that heat transfers into the ground.

01:38:50.000 So in this Pleistocene park, this park that they've been doing this experiment in Siberia for a while, they've put in a couple hundred animals that aren't mammoths, right?

01:38:58.000 They've put in ox and reindeer and things like that, and they're knocking trees over with the tractors.

01:39:03.000 And once they knock trees over and they simulate a mammoth knocking the trees and shrubs over, the fleet grazers are able to keep the vegetation from regrowing.

01:39:13.000 So when the vegetation doesn't regrow, you get all this grassland, and the grassland has snowpack.

01:39:19.000 The snowpack gets stumped, so there's no insulation.

01:39:21.000 It reflects more light.

01:39:23.000 It's like three or four different processes that make the ground, I think on average it's like eight degrees colder.

01:39:29.000 So it keeps things more frozen.

01:39:31.000 So once we removed all the megafauna from the Arctic, through hunting or maybe other means regardless, once they were removed, the Arctic got warmer.

01:39:39.000 The Siberia and Alaska got warmer, and so slowly we're getting more and more carbon emissions from up there.

01:39:44.000 But by putting these animals back, and I just love the idea of going up to the Arctic and it looking like the African savanna, right, with all of these incredible animals.

01:39:51.000 But by putting these animals back, it in theory will make the Arctic colder, slow down the melting of the permafrost, which will in turn trap the carbon for longer in the ground.

01:40:01.000 So they're going to start with the woolly mammoth.

01:40:04.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 And what other animals are they thinking about doing this to?

01:40:08.000 So what I know of right now is the woolly mammoth and the thylacine, which is another reason I'm so excited.

01:40:12.000 So they are going to bring back the thylacine.

01:40:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:40:14.000 And how are they going to do that?

01:40:16.000 So there's, it used to be the quoll, but now it's an animal called a dunart that's the closest living relative.

01:40:21.000 And so, you know, thylacines were around pretty recently, right?

01:40:24.000 I mean, we're just looking at video of one.

01:40:26.000 So they have really good DNA from the thylacine, and then they're going to use the existing DNA from a dunnart, which is a very small marsupial, put them together, remake the thylacine.

01:40:37.000 The only problem is, my understanding is, they cannot use the dunnart for surrogacy because the dunnarts are like this big.

01:40:43.000 So they have to do an artificial womb and all of that. 1.00

01:40:45.000 But yeah, I think the technology is there.

01:40:47.000 An artificial womb? 1.00

01:40:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:48.000 This sounds like a fucking horror. 0.99

01:40:49.000 Isn't it crazy we're living in this time? 1.00

01:40:51.000 Yeah, it sounds like a horror movie.

01:40:52.000 But it's so insane! 0.98

01:40:54.000 Even three years ago, if you're like, hey, we're bringing animals back, we're going to put mammoths back in the Arctic, you're like, shut up! 0.97

01:41:00.000 Put on your tinfoil hat!

01:41:02.000 It's happening!

01:41:02.000 It's so crazy!

01:41:03.000 When are they projecting the first woolly mammoth will be launched?

01:41:06.000 2024. What?

01:41:08.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 Next year?

01:41:09.000 Next year.

01:41:10.000 End of next year.

01:41:11.000 Oh my god.

01:41:12.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 And they're going to bring it to Siberia.

01:41:14.000 And put it in this Pleistocene Park where there are all these other animals and they're going to see how it does.

01:41:18.000 Like how does it behave?

01:41:20.000 How does it interact with the environment?

01:41:22.000 Does it replace the tractors in the sense of cooling down this little park area?

01:41:27.000 Yeah.

01:41:27.000 It'll be fascinating.

01:41:28.000 Are they going to do saber-toothed tigers?

01:41:30.000 I hope so.

01:41:31.000 No, I don't know.

01:41:32.000 I don't know.

01:41:32.000 That would be incredible.

01:41:34.000 What a wild animal those must have been to look at.

01:41:37.000 Sabertooth?

01:41:37.000 Giant teeth.

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:38.000 Like literally hang out of their mouth.

01:41:40.000 And apparently they're so sensitive that they could find jugulars.

01:41:45.000 With those teeth?

01:41:46.000 Yeah.

01:41:46.000 They could feel the pulsating jugular with their teeth.

01:41:50.000 Just because of the nerve endings?

01:41:52.000 I didn't know that.

01:41:52.000 That's amazing.

01:41:54.000 Homotherium, right?

01:41:54.000 That's what that genus was called?

01:41:57.000 I don't know.

01:41:58.000 And that stuff, that's the fun Jurassic Park side of it, right?

01:42:02.000 Would I like to see a saber-toothed cat?

01:42:03.000 Yes, who wouldn't?

01:42:05.000 But the idea that, like, hey...

01:42:08.000 Ten years from now, there's going to be several thousand thylacine back in Tasmania.

01:42:12.000 Facial tumor disease is going to go away.

01:42:14.000 The overabundance of prey is going to disappear.

01:42:17.000 Facial tumor disease?

01:42:18.000 Facial tumor disease is a thing that a lot of the animals, and particularly the Tasmanian devils have in Tasmania.

01:42:25.000 It's herpes on the face.

01:42:26.000 But it comes from an overabundance of prey because the alpha predator, the thylacine, has been knocked out.

01:42:32.000 So if you go drive down a road...

01:42:35.000 Yeah, look at it. 1.00

01:42:36.000 Poor bastards. 1.00

01:42:38.000 It's bad. 1.00

01:42:38.000 It's herpes. 1.00

01:42:39.000 It's actual herpes.

01:42:40.000 Oh my god, it's horrible.

01:42:42.000 It's horrible.

01:42:43.000 And that's the Tasmanian tiger, which is...

01:42:45.000 The Tasmanian devil.

01:42:46.000 Sorry, Tasmanian devil. 1.00

01:42:47.000 What a crazy little animal that fucker is. 1.00

01:42:49.000 They're so cool. 1.00

01:42:50.000 And the noises they make.

01:42:52.000 Yeah, they're wild.

01:42:54.000 See if we can find a recording of Tasmanian devil noises.

01:42:58.000 Yeah.

01:42:59.000 But anyway, I'm just excited because it's like...

01:43:01.000 It's crazy.

01:43:01.000 It seems like we live in an alternate universe where these things are real now, which is just so crazy compared to a few years ago.

01:43:08.000 What does it...

01:43:09.000 Here we go. 1.00

01:43:25.000 Look at those little fuckers. 1.00

01:43:27.000 They're going mouth-to-mouth with each other. 1.00

01:43:29.000 If you're camping in Tasmania, which I've done for thylacine searches and stuff, and you hear that, it is the most blood-curdling, terrifying, and then they're this big.

01:43:39.000 But you hear this and you're like, something is going to rip me to shreds.

01:43:43.000 And it's just these little buggers. 0.99

01:43:44.000 They look like a French bulldog. 0.88

01:43:44.000 Yeah, look at them. 0.88

01:43:46.000 They're real cute.

01:43:47.000 Really cute.

01:43:48.000 Does anybody ever have them as pets?

01:43:50.000 I wonder if you can domesticate them.

01:43:52.000 I don't know, but my number one pet's a wombat.

01:43:55.000 Have you ever seen a pet wombat?

01:43:56.000 No, they have them.

01:43:57.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:43:58.000 People have them as pets?

01:43:58.000 I mean, in Australia, like as rescues and stuff.

01:44:01.000 I don't know if they're in the pet trade, but I went to a place in South Australia.

01:44:06.000 Aww.

01:44:07.000 Aw, look at the little Tasmanian devil. 1.00

01:44:10.000 Aw, look, he's a little puppy.

01:44:12.000 They're adorable.

01:44:13.000 They are.

01:44:13.000 But this is like little tiny babies.

01:44:18.000 Maybe it's like some animals, like you get to a certain age, you can't really keep them anymore.

01:44:23.000 I wouldn't think they'd make very good pets.

01:44:25.000 I went to a place in Tasmania where they dragged a wallaby carcass in that had been hit by the road.

01:44:30.000 It was like the cartoon version of piranhas, you know, where they come in and it's like, and they rip it to shreds.

01:44:36.000 These things ripped this dead wallaby to nothing.

01:44:39.000 It was like maybe 10 of them in under a minute.

01:44:42.000 Really?

01:44:43.000 Just to nothing.

01:44:43.000 To just bones and gnawing.

01:44:45.000 It was wild to see.

01:44:47.000 Most people think of the Tasmanian Devil as that cartoon.

01:44:51.000 That's literally...

01:44:52.000 If people think about that, it's one of the only animals where the cartoon is more popular than the actual animal.

01:44:57.000 Agreed.

01:44:58.000 Yeah, agreed.

01:44:58.000 Like, I couldn't pick that animal out of a lineup.

01:45:01.000 Right.

01:45:01.000 What is this?

01:45:02.000 Now I can, because I'm looking at it right now.

01:45:04.000 Yeah.

01:45:04.000 Look at these little...

01:45:06.000 Let me hear some volume.

01:45:07.000 Wow.

01:45:08.000 They're only weigh about seven kilos?

01:45:13.000 Gotta love Australians.

01:45:16.000 There's also a wombat here, too.

01:45:17.000 A little cutie.

01:45:18.000 That's a wombat here? 0.99

01:45:18.000 Look, look, look, look! 0.99

01:45:19.000 This is what I'm talking about!

01:45:21.000 That's a wombat? 0.96

01:45:22.000 Yeah, that's a juvenile one, but they're just little trucks.

01:45:25.000 A little cutie.

01:45:27.000 I love wombats.

01:45:28.000 I think they're so adorable.

01:45:29.000 And so people keep those as pets as adults?

01:45:31.000 Yes, they do.

01:45:32.000 There was a woman I met who had one in her house. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Man, we had this video on our little podcast.

01:45:39.000 I don't know how to find it, but it was hilarious.

01:45:41.000 And this woman hand-raised this wombat, and it ran around her house like your dog does. 1.00

01:45:46.000 But the thing is, it's like this truck.

01:45:49.000 They're super low to the ground, huge shoulders.

01:45:51.000 And if it decided to run through the dog gate or through the refrigerator, it just went bowling straight through it.

01:45:59.000 It was amazing.

01:46:01.000 Cute little guys.

01:46:02.000 Oh, I think they're so cute.

01:46:03.000 But these guys have unbelievable mange in Tasmania.

01:46:07.000 Like, Jamie, if you type in, you know, wombat mange, we've looked at a lot of gross animal stuff today, but it's like, it's brutal.

01:46:14.000 And the reason the mange is so bad, there's no predators, and they're way overpopulated.

01:46:18.000 And so when there's that many animals in a small environment with overpopulation, they get diseases.

01:46:23.000 Oh, look.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 So all this is potentially fixable, you know, if you put a predator, the right predator, back in Tasmania.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.000 Right.

01:46:31.000 And so that would help Tasmania.

01:46:33.000 And are they planning on doing this to other continents?

01:46:36.000 Oh, that's terrible.

01:46:37.000 That's what they look like, though.

01:46:38.000 That image you saw for a split second there, that's what they, not all, but that's what a ton of them look like in Tasmania with this rampant mage.

01:46:46.000 Well, that's the Chupacabra.

01:46:47.000 Straight up.

01:46:48.000 The chupacabra is a coyote.

01:46:50.000 A mangy coyote.

01:46:51.000 That has horrible manes. 1.00

01:46:52.000 Yeah.

01:46:53.000 And they've captured them.

01:46:54.000 Like people, we call it a chupacabra.

01:46:56.000 And it's sitting in a cage, all terrified, eyes are swollen shut.

01:47:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:47:00.000 Yeah, it's just a fucked up coyote. 1.00

01:47:02.000 Yep. 0.97

01:47:02.000 The North American mammals, like, are they planning on eventually doing that North American mammals as well and reintroducing some? 0.97

01:47:11.000 I'm not sure.

01:47:11.000 Well, the mammoth would be in Alaska, so that's North America.

01:47:15.000 Siberia all the way to Alaska.

01:47:17.000 So that mammoth steppe environment, those grasslands, used to range from Spain all the way to North America, like all across the Bering Land Bridge.

01:47:26.000 And all that ice was like trompled and blah, blah, blah, all these savannah lands that are now big forests.

01:47:32.000 Are you aware of the Alaskan boneyard?

01:47:36.000 Did you watch that?

01:47:37.000 I heard pieces of it because a couple people texted me about it, but I need to listen to the whole show.

01:47:42.000 I mean, John sounds like a fascinating guy.

01:47:44.000 He's the best.

01:47:45.000 Yeah.

01:47:46.000 But his place that he has in Alaska, like, they've been on, and it's not a big area where he's finding this stuff.

01:47:53.000 He's got two areas, and one of them that he's been getting bones, what he calls boning, this one area for decades, is only six acres.

01:48:04.000 That's all it is?

01:48:05.000 Dude, it's nuts.

01:48:07.000 The concentration.

01:48:08.000 So that's what it looks like.

01:48:10.000 It's like the side of a cliff, and they blast it with water until they see things, and then they pull out these bones.

01:48:16.000 But they've found animals that were not supposed to be there.

01:48:20.000 I remember he said that.

01:48:21.000 Yeah.

01:48:22.000 He said, like, I believe...

01:48:24.000 So scimitar cats were the cat that was native to that continent, to Alaska, right?

01:48:29.000 Not saber-tooth.

01:48:30.000 Saber-tooth, big teeth.

01:48:31.000 Scimitar is like a smaller tooth version.

01:48:33.000 And then he's found saber-tooth skulls on his property.

01:48:37.000 So all of history, all of humans are like, oh no, there's only scimitar cats in Alaska.

01:48:40.000 They were never saber-tooths.

01:48:42.000 And he's found actual saber-tooths.

01:48:43.000 Yes.

01:48:44.000 And he's only looked in six acres.

01:48:46.000 Can you imagine?

01:48:47.000 That's crazy.

01:48:48.000 I mean, they don't know what was going on in that area.

01:48:52.000 Like, why are there so many dead animals?

01:48:54.000 And why did they all get, like, frozen into the permafrost?

01:48:57.000 Into one spot.

01:48:58.000 Yeah.

01:48:58.000 Right.

01:48:59.000 Tar pit, or who knows?

01:49:01.000 So, I've connected him with Randall Carlson.

01:49:05.000 Look at that.

01:49:06.000 Isn't that incredible?

01:49:07.000 That's gotta be a saber tooth.

01:49:09.000 That's a cave lion.

01:49:10.000 I don't know if they thought that was there too.

01:49:13.000 So I've connected him with Randall Carlson.

01:49:16.000 I'm in the process of doing that and Randall is a proponent of the Younger Dryas impact theory.

01:49:22.000 The Younger Dryas impact theory is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12,000 years ago, there were some impacts from comets.

01:49:28.000 Oh, interesting.

01:49:28.000 And it probably wiped out most of the animals that we're thinking about, like North American megafauna, like 65% of them were wiped out somewhere around that time period.

01:49:38.000 From impact.

01:49:39.000 He thinks they're wiped out from comet impact.

01:49:41.000 Interesting.

01:49:41.000 And he thinks that's why you're finding these massive storages of these dead animals in this one specific area.

01:49:47.000 So why would that funnel animals into one area?

01:49:51.000 Because they were already there, but they died all at once.

01:49:53.000 I see.

01:49:54.000 So it's not like over the years.

01:49:56.000 It's like an instantaneous mass die-off.

01:49:59.000 And he's got photographic evidence of these mass die-offs as well, too.

01:50:05.000 Because one of the things that they found in terms of woolly mammoths, they found enormous fields of them.

01:50:13.000 Where they've not just found like one dead one, but hundreds of them.

01:50:16.000 And they find them with broken legs.

01:50:18.000 And he thinks that's indicative of the impact of whatever happened.

01:50:23.000 I mean, it's almost like a bomb going off.

01:50:25.000 They just get smacked back.

01:50:28.000 But that these things most likely died in mass.

01:50:32.000 And that this area where John Reeves has in Alaska is a particularly fertile area, a particularly rich area for finding these skeletons.

01:50:42.000 And it makes sense, right?

01:50:43.000 Why else would you have 300 dead animals with fractured bones in one spot?

01:50:47.000 Exactly.

01:50:48.000 Or whatever the numbers are.

01:50:49.000 And he has so much.

01:50:52.000 He has thousands and thousands of bones.

01:50:55.000 And many, many, many, many full tusks of woolly mammoths.

01:51:00.000 Which are worth millions of dollars, right?

01:51:02.000 He's got millions of dollars worth of tusks.

01:51:04.000 He's got them all over the place.

01:51:05.000 He's got stacks of them.

01:51:06.000 They find them all the time.

01:51:08.000 Jaws.

01:51:09.000 Jaws, yeah.

01:51:10.000 So it's the Boneyard Alaska.

01:51:11.000 That must be a mammoth jaw, right?

01:51:12.000 Because it's got the flat grinding teeth.

01:51:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:51:15.000 Look at those teeth, man.

01:51:16.000 Isn't that incredible?

01:51:16.000 Yeah.

01:51:17.000 So it's the Boneyard Alaska on Instagram, and he's got it very detailed.

01:51:23.000 He's invited me up there, actually.

01:51:24.000 He sent me a message after, I think, our first show.

01:51:27.000 Somehow we got on the same topic.

01:51:29.000 And he sent me a message.

01:51:31.000 Yeah, we talked about him, and he said he got 15,000 new Instagram followers from our conversation.

01:51:35.000 Oh, really?

01:51:35.000 Good for him.

01:51:35.000 That's great.

01:51:36.000 And then he's like, all right, I'm only going to talk to Joe and tell my whole story.

01:51:39.000 And so we had him on.

01:51:41.000 He's wealthy.

01:51:42.000 He doesn't have to talk to people about stuff.

01:51:45.000 Right.

01:51:45.000 He's choosing to.

01:51:46.000 Yeah.

01:51:46.000 So he just does it because he wants to.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:48.000 Good.

01:51:48.000 So he won't talk to journalists.

01:51:50.000 He's getting all these phone calls from New York Times and these people. 1.00

01:51:53.000 He's like, fuck off. 0.99

01:51:54.000 Well, I read a thing the day or two after you guys did your show that he started like a bone rush in the East River of New York. 1.00

01:52:02.000 People going to look for bones that have been dumped in the East River.

01:52:05.000 Apparently they were.

01:52:07.000 According to the records, they dumped a shitload of them and he gave out the very specific location.

01:52:12.000 So now there's guys combing the bottom with radar and looking for these things.

01:52:16.000 It's really interesting.

01:52:17.000 Do you know if anybody's found anything yet?

01:52:19.000 I don't believe anybody has.

01:52:20.000 That'll be fascinating.

01:52:23.000 Wasn't it the 1930s that they did this?

01:52:25.000 The 40s?

01:52:26.000 Yeah, there was a bunch of miracles yesterday about it.

01:52:28.000 Oh, look at this.

01:52:29.000 Treasure Hunter, search New York City's East River.

01:52:31.000 Ha ha! 0.86

01:52:32.000 Isn't that funny? 1.00

01:52:33.000 This all came from my stupid little podcast. 1.00

01:52:34.000 All from your show. 1.00

01:52:36.000 You created a rush.

01:52:38.000 CBS News is re-reporting this.

01:52:40.000 Look at this.

01:52:40.000 Look, it even says spurred on by Joe Rogan podcast.

01:52:43.000 Look at that.

01:52:44.000 The New York Post, they always show me some love.

01:52:46.000 Oh, nice.

01:52:47.000 That's so funny.

01:52:48.000 Yeah, no, that's incredible.

01:52:49.000 I don't know.

01:52:50.000 That whole extinct megafauna thing.

01:52:52.000 The fact that North America, we used to have cheetahs and giant llamas and like...

01:52:57.000 Huge lions that are bigger than African lions.

01:52:59.000 Huge lions, like the amount of...

01:53:00.000 And the abundance, too.

01:53:02.000 It wasn't like today we have great animals in North America, but the abundance is so much lower than Southern Africa. 1.00

01:53:08.000 But it used to be like something like eight times higher.

01:53:12.000 Yeah.

01:53:13.000 Can you imagine, like, just walking...

01:53:14.000 Imagine, like, this wasn't here in Austin.

01:53:16.000 You decided to walk three blocks, and you saw, like, 500 giant animals.

01:53:20.000 I mean, it's amazing!

01:53:22.000 Yeah, that used to be here.

01:53:23.000 Yeah.

01:53:23.000 Nuts.

01:53:24.000 Have you ever heard of the American Prairie Reserve?

01:53:27.000 Prairie Reserve?

01:53:28.000 I don't think so.

01:53:28.000 Is that what it's called, Jamie?

01:53:29.000 What is that thing?

01:53:29.000 Rinello talked about that.

01:53:31.000 They're trying to buy up...

01:53:35.000 Massive swaths of land and reintroduce bison.

01:53:39.000 Yeah, American prairie.

01:53:41.000 So they're going to reintroduce bison and a bunch of different animals to this area.

01:53:46.000 And they're even doing block management in these places.

01:53:48.000 And they essentially want to rewild some of the Great Plains.

01:53:55.000 I think that's great, man.

01:53:57.000 I think rewilding is the key to conservation in the future.

01:54:00.000 I mean, have you seen that in...

01:54:02.000 Scroll back up, please, so I can read that, Jamie.

01:54:05.000 It says, Bison used to number in the millions on the Great Plains, but animals in conservation herds now stand at around 31,000 and are considered near-threatened.

01:54:13.000 Because most conservation herds are less than 500 on small landscapes, the species is listed as ecologically extinct, meaning bison no longer play their critical roles in shaping prairie biodiversity.

01:54:25.000 So what they want to do is bring them back.

01:54:29.000 And allow them to influence the environment and help the ecosystem.

01:54:33.000 Only an estimated 360,000 bison were made in North America today.

01:54:37.000 Of these, less than 10% live in conservation herds.

01:54:41.000 Most of the bison on the landscape today are raised for commercial purposes.

01:54:44.000 And what's really crazy is they got down to almost extinct.

01:54:49.000 Yeah, to a few hundred, I think.

01:54:52.000 There's an incredible place, the Bass Pro Shop's headquarters in Springfield, Missouri.

01:54:56.000 The guy, Johnny Morris, the guy who runs it, he's built a museum next to the Bass Pro headquarters.

01:55:01.000 It's like a personal museum, but anybody can go to it.

01:55:04.000 And his big thing is the bison.

01:55:06.000 And so you walk through this hallway and they have all these ancient pictures of the bison and these piles of skulls.

01:55:12.000 Guys used to stand on a literal...

01:55:14.000 You can probably find it, Jamie.

01:55:15.000 There's this picture of these two hunters that killed...

01:55:18.000 I don't know how many bison, but it's literally a mountain of skulls that they're standing on top of.

01:55:22.000 And because they used to, I'm sure you know this, just sit on the railway and ping them off and all of that.

01:55:26.000 And anyway, it's just fascinating the amount, the abundance of those animals that used to be in the American prairie.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, the pictures of people standing on piles of bones are so horrible.

01:55:38.000 Revolting.

01:55:39.000 It's so gross.

01:55:40.000 Like, what they did and the quickness in which they did it, where they almost eradicated the bison from North America. 0.99

01:55:46.000 And, you know, they weren't even eating them.

01:55:49.000 No.

01:55:49.000 They were eating tongues.

01:55:50.000 Right.

01:55:50.000 And they were getting the skins from some of them later on.

01:55:53.000 But a lot of it, they were doing it for the tongues. 0.91

01:55:55.000 Well, and I don't know if you know this or not, but the majority of the reason they killed him was in order to diminish the survival of the Native American people. 0.74

01:56:03.000 Was that really the majority of it?

01:56:05.000 I believe so.

01:56:06.000 That was the big motivator, at least in the early days, to kill bison was because it allowed the Native Americans to survive off of that animal. 1.00

01:56:14.000 Because they were so reliant on them. 0.92

01:56:16.000 So there were all these campaigns like, go out and kill the bison, head out west, have fun, shoot them from the train. 0.98

01:56:22.000 Because if you depleted those numbers, the Native Americans were forced to move or they just didn't have... 0.86

01:56:26.000 Forced to go into the reservations.

01:56:28.000 Exactly.

01:56:29.000 And so it was a very ugly thing.

01:56:31.000 And that part of it sort of covered up, right?

01:56:32.000 That doesn't get spoken about a lot.

01:56:35.000 It's a...

01:56:36.000 I mean, it most certainly was a tragedy, but like almost like inexcusable to the point of extinction.

01:56:44.000 They got so close.

01:56:46.000 I'd say it's inexcusable.

01:56:47.000 It was...

01:56:47.000 Well, obviously inexcusable.

01:56:49.000 I don't mean inexcusable, like unfixable.

01:56:51.000 Yeah.

01:56:51.000 That's a better word.

01:56:52.000 Sorry, I see what you're saying. 0.97

01:56:52.000 When you look at the size of the piles of bones they were standing on, and like that they didn't see how fucked up this was, I don't believe that. 0.97

01:57:02.000 You know, we always say, oh, we didn't realize. 0.95

01:57:04.000 Like, we thought it would last forever.

01:57:06.000 I don't believe, especially because it happened in one generation.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, quickly.

01:57:10.000 Very quickly.

01:57:11.000 I don't believe that those guys, whomever they were, whether they loved hunting, didn't love hunting, loved shooting bison, whatever, I don't believe that they couldn't tell that they were having a massive impact.

01:57:20.000 Oh, they had to quickly.

01:57:21.000 Yeah.

01:57:21.000 They had to.

01:57:23.000 I mean, if you're shooting millions of them, which is just nuts.

01:57:26.000 Are you aware of Dan Flores?

01:57:29.000 Dan Flores, he's a professor, I think, out of New Mexico.

01:57:35.000 I think one of the universities in New Mexico.

01:57:38.000 But he had a paper that he wrote called Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy.

01:57:45.000 Oh, okay.

01:57:46.000 And his belief is that When you look at the millions and millions of bison that were in North America at one point in time with these massive herds, he's like, that is not historically...

01:58:02.000 It's not what people initially saw when they first came to North America.

01:58:09.000 And he believes the reason for that is that the Native Americans, when they got knocked down by 90%, They were the primary predators of the bison. 0.99

01:58:19.000 Sure.

01:58:19.000 And so then the bison numbers rose to these extraordinary numbers.

01:58:23.000 Sure.

01:58:24.000 And that it was due to the fact that these Native American populations had been killed off by smallpox.

01:58:31.000 That allowed.

01:58:31.000 Yeah.

01:58:37.000 And with the use of rifles, that Native Americans on their own were on their way to extirpating the bison. 1.00

01:58:45.000 I don't doubt it.

01:58:47.000 You know, there's quite a lot of species throughout history that have gone extinct at the hand of man that were already, even without man, not even Native Americans.

01:58:56.000 I mean, no human being.

01:58:57.000 They were ready.

01:58:58.000 Their timeline was running out.

01:59:00.000 Like, they were on their way out.

01:59:01.000 The Great Auk is a great example. 0.99

01:59:02.000 What is that?

01:59:03.000 So it was basically a penguin from the north.

01:59:06.000 Because, you know, penguins are from the southern hemisphere.

01:59:08.000 It was basically a penguin from the northern hemisphere.

01:59:10.000 How do you spell it?

01:59:11.000 A-U-K. Great auk. 1.00

01:59:12.000 Is there a photo of those fuckers? 0.99

01:59:15.000 I don't think there's any photos, but there's a lot of artist illustrations. 0.99

01:59:19.000 Great auk.

01:59:20.000 Yeah.

01:59:20.000 Beautiful, beautiful bird.

01:59:22.000 And they...

01:59:23.000 Real penguin-like.

01:59:24.000 Very, yeah.

01:59:24.000 And they provided oil and mostly down.

01:59:27.000 Meat as well, but mostly down.

01:59:29.000 So there was a huge rush.

01:59:30.000 I've actually held that specimen.

01:59:33.000 But there was a huge rush for auk down for their feathers.

01:59:37.000 Oh.

01:59:38.000 But these animals, they numbered in the millions when humans, quote-unquote, wiped them out, which they did.

01:59:43.000 I'm not saying they didn't, but they only...

01:59:46.000 See their range over there on that range map?

01:59:48.000 See the red one?

01:59:49.000 See the little spots?

01:59:50.000 Those are actually...

01:59:51.000 So their range was massive, but those 19 or whatever spots you're looking at are their only isolated populations.

01:59:57.000 So while there were millions and millions of auk, they only lived in, like, 19 spots.

02:00:02.000 Wow.

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:26.000 And the, I'm blanking on it now, the gillemot, is it the gillemot?

02:00:30.000 No, it's a different bird, was out-competing them.

02:00:33.000 Another native bird was out-competing them.

02:00:34.000 Not the gillemot, I'm blanking on what it's called now.

02:00:36.000 How did people kill off the passenger pigeon?

02:00:39.000 Because wasn't the passenger, weren't there millions and millions of passenger pigeons?

02:00:42.000 Millions.

02:00:43.000 Millions.

02:00:43.000 Yeah, they said they'd black out the sky right here, right here in Texas, yeah.

02:00:47.000 So, one, they were hunted tremendously, but the main reason that they totally went extinct was they were such a flocking bird that once their numbers were reduced to the point that they couldn't have such large flocks, they weren't successful any longer.

02:01:03.000 So they weren't able to continue their normal behavior once their flock density got too low.

02:01:09.000 Oh.

02:01:09.000 So it wasn't like they shot every, I think they did shoot every last passenger pigeon, you know, like, they shot the last one, but it wasn't the last one because they had shot every single other surviving one.

02:01:21.000 It was the last one because we shot them up, and then their population started to decline, and once their population got to a certain, like, capacity, they no longer had the ability to behave the way that they had typically behaved in these huge flocks, and that was making them unsuccessful.

02:01:37.000 How did they not know that they were on their way to getting rid of them?

02:01:40.000 How did they not know that that was happening?

02:01:42.000 Again, I don't believe they didn't.

02:01:43.000 I think they did.

02:01:44.000 Isn't it crazy how different people look at things like wildlife conservation today versus just a few hundred years ago?

02:01:50.000 It's like, whoops, guess we killed all the bison.

02:01:53.000 Totally.

02:01:54.000 That's why radical conservation, like bringing back mammoths and rewilding wolves and stuff like that, we need that, Joe.

02:02:02.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:02:03.000 Because conservation, I'm sorry, and this is going to upset a lot of people, I don't give a shit. 1.00

02:02:07.000 We fucking suck at it! 0.99

02:02:08.000 We've been doing it for like a hundred years, and we are losing every single year. 1.00

02:02:13.000 We are not winning.

02:02:14.000 There are small little successful stories, don't get me wrong, but on a grand scale, we are losing the conservation game.

02:02:21.000 So radical conservation, I don't care what it is, coming up with crazy science experiments and bringing stuff back, putting wolves in the else's, whatever it is, trying something is better than not trying anything and continuing down the path we've been going.

02:02:33.000 The only animals that we're really good at conserving are the ones we want to eat.

02:02:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:36.000 The ones we want to shoot.

02:02:37.000 Yeah.

02:02:38.000 Which is great.

02:02:38.000 So, like, there's more white-tailed deer in North America today than there were when Columbus arrived.

02:02:43.000 Right.

02:02:43.000 And that's fine.

02:02:44.000 Which is 100% because of hunting.

02:02:46.000 It is.

02:02:46.000 And also because of agriculture.

02:02:48.000 Right.

02:02:48.000 Because they flock to these agriculture areas.

02:02:51.000 Cornfields.

02:02:51.000 That's why, yeah, like, places like Iowa, where there's all these farms.

02:02:54.000 Like, there's so many deer, giant deer in Iowa.

02:02:56.000 Right.

02:02:57.000 Yeah.

02:02:57.000 But that's fine.

02:02:58.000 You know, placing a monetary value on an animal in order to save it is great.

02:03:02.000 But nobody's going to start hunting Tasmanian tigers, Tasmanian devils, right?

02:03:06.000 Like, what for?

02:03:07.000 So, there are...

02:03:08.000 I completely agree with you.

02:03:10.000 I'm pro-hunting when those funds are used the right way.

02:03:14.000 They can be mismanaged, and they are all the time, especially in places that are more corrupt.

02:03:18.000 It's actually amazing the job that wildlife biologists have done in this country and conservationists have done in this country.

02:03:24.000 They're really pretty goddamn good at setting up the correct number of tags and making sure that the habitat is preserved and allocating that money for rangers and wardens and making sure that these people monitor these animals and stop poaching.

02:03:44.000 Definitely.

02:03:44.000 In North America, we are very good at it, like on a global scale.

02:03:48.000 The problem is we always, doesn't matter if you're North America or anywhere, wait until the very end to do it. 0.99

02:03:54.000 We wait until shit's really bad. 0.99

02:03:56.000 Right. 1.00

02:03:56.000 Oh, there's only 12 of them left or whatever. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Now we're going to put in all this effort.

02:04:00.000 It's like being preventative instead of reactive is the ticket moving forward.

02:04:04.000 And we are starting to make that shift.

02:04:06.000 I am so interested in seeing what they decide to do.

02:04:09.000 If this really takes off in Siberia with the woolly mammoths, if they reintroduce them, not just in Alaska, but then bring them into Montana and bring them into the lower 48, and then start reintroducing other things. 0.94

02:04:22.000 If they can figure out how to do that with a saber-toothed tiger, that would be fucking weird. 0.83

02:04:26.000 That would be so scary. 0.99

02:04:27.000 That would be wild.

02:04:29.000 They're talking about, I think, I might have these numbers wrong, but I believe their 10 or maybe 20 year goal is 600,000 mammoths over like 1.3 million miles.

02:04:39.000 So covering that whole, you know, because the thing is...

02:04:41.000 600,000 mammoths.

02:04:43.000 That's a lot of mammoths. 0.99

02:04:44.000 But they'll start reproducing on their own, right?

02:04:46.000 It's not like they're going to make them all.

02:04:47.000 Tourism involved.

02:04:48.000 I mean, how many people would want to go and travel to see woolly mammoths?

02:04:53.000 We're going.

02:04:53.000 You and I are going to see them.

02:04:55.000 100%.

02:04:55.000 Yes.

02:04:56.000 Let's go.

02:04:57.000 Let's go.

02:04:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:59.000 I wonder if there's going to be groups of people that want to hunt them with spears and put lawn cloths on and shit. 0.99

02:05:06.000 Fine. 0.98

02:05:07.000 It's just like the whitetail, dude.

02:05:08.000 Who cares?

02:05:09.000 If that funds it and it keeps it going.

02:05:11.000 You can hunt them, but you can only hunt them using the tools and weapons that were available when they were alive.

02:05:16.000 Barefoot in the Arctic with a stone spear.

02:05:19.000 Yeah, no boots. 1.00

02:05:19.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:05:20.000 No tents. 1.00

02:05:21.000 Fuck off. 1.00

02:05:21.000 Like, you could have a teepee. 1.00

02:05:23.000 You gotta make it yourself.

02:05:24.000 With the mammoth skin.

02:05:26.000 Yeah, right.

02:05:26.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Yeah, that would be wild.

02:05:29.000 People would do it.

02:05:29.000 Would you do it?

02:05:30.000 No.

02:05:31.000 No? 1.00

02:05:31.000 Fuck that. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Dude, I... Hunting with a bow and arrow is tricky enough. 1.00

02:05:35.000 Hunting with a spear, fuck off. 1.00

02:05:37.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:05:37.000 There are people that do it though, right? 1.00

02:05:39.000 There are spear hunters, like that's a thing?

02:05:41.000 Subsistent hunters.

02:05:41.000 No, I mean like as a sport.

02:05:43.000 Assholes. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Yeah, I mean it's too unsuccessful. 1.00

02:05:48.000 You're not good at it.

02:05:49.000 It used to be legal to hunt with a spear in Alberta until a guy killed a bear with a spear and made this awful video about it and it was a big deal.

02:05:59.000 And then Under Armour got in trouble because they didn't support these people.

02:06:04.000 They weren't even really sponsored by Under Armour.

02:06:07.000 These people, since there was this recent thing with them with poaching and they got...

02:06:13.000 Accused of poaching and I think they got sentenced to probation and they're not allowed to hunt in certain states, but it's like, why would you hunt with a spear?

02:06:22.000 Like, hunting with a bow and arrow is very effective.

02:06:24.000 If you're disciplined and like, I am very accurate with a bow.

02:06:28.000 I can shoot, I shoot an index card that I set up at a target regularly at 85 yards.

02:06:34.000 And you're consistent.

02:06:35.000 Yes, and I'm consistent.

02:06:36.000 I practice every day.

02:06:38.000 This is not a thing where...

02:06:40.000 With a rifle, much more accurate.

02:06:42.000 Sure.

02:06:43.000 And I'm much more consistent.

02:06:44.000 It's much easier to do.

02:06:46.000 So you could make the argument that it's better to hunt with a rifle.

02:06:50.000 I definitely could see that.

02:06:51.000 But if you do the work, and if you are disciplined enough, and if you practice enough, and if your technique is right, You can be very, very effective with a bow.

02:07:01.000 I mean, you can go out there and see all the skulls I have.

02:07:03.000 I mean, I've seen a lot of elk with bows and arrows and a lot of deer.

02:07:07.000 I eat them all.

02:07:08.000 This is a very effective way to get meat, but a spear is so inefficient.

02:07:14.000 And you're maiming the animal.

02:07:16.000 Yes, and you're not going to kill it quickly. 0.91

02:07:18.000 Right. 0.99

02:07:18.000 You know, I mean, unless you get the drop on one that's sleeping, and you're like five feet away, and you chuck it right through the ribcage and kill it quickly. 0.99

02:07:25.000 What's the likelihood of that?

02:07:26.000 Not very likely.

02:07:27.000 The likelihood is that you're going to wound this thing, and then you're going to chase it down, and then you're probably going to stick it again.

02:07:34.000 Right, and it's miserable for everything.

02:07:35.000 Yeah, this guy, I think the spear he threw it had a GoPro on it.

02:07:40.000 Oh, okay.

02:07:41.000 So you got this horrible perspective.

02:07:43.000 It was all for social media.

02:07:45.000 It was all for the clicks.

02:07:46.000 And then they made it illegal.

02:07:47.000 So now it's illegal in Alberta to hunt with a spear because of this one individual.

02:07:51.000 That's probably good.

02:07:52.000 And I think it is good.

02:07:54.000 Use a rifle.

02:07:56.000 Use a bow and arrow.

02:07:57.000 Right. 1.00

02:07:58.000 You know, you can kill them very easily with a bow and arrow. 0.99

02:08:00.000 I mean, they allow baiting up there. 1.00

02:08:02.000 Gotcha.

02:08:02.000 Because they have to reduce the populations.

02:08:04.000 They have a very high number of black bears up there.

02:08:06.000 I see.

02:08:06.000 Very high.

02:08:07.000 And so they use baiting, which is they'll set out like donuts.

02:08:12.000 Sure, sure.

02:08:13.000 And the bears come.

02:08:15.000 And you can shoot two bear a year.

02:08:17.000 Oh, wow.

02:08:18.000 Yeah.

02:08:18.000 So you're, you know, there's, and they're trying to give out tags because they want people to hunt these things.

02:08:23.000 Is the number of black bear overpopulated due to them eating people's garbage, due to not enough grizzly bears?

02:08:30.000 Like, why are there too many black bears out there?

02:08:33.000 The grizzly bear population is increasing, too, to the point where they're making an argument that you should have tags for grizzly bears.

02:08:37.000 Interesting.

02:08:37.000 My friends John and Jen, who live up in Alberta, and I've been up to their place before, they're seeing a lot of grizzlies now.

02:08:45.000 They're seeing them all over the place.

02:08:46.000 Oh, interesting.

02:08:47.000 But by far, more black bear.

02:08:50.000 But you know what the biggest population of black bear in North America is?

02:08:53.000 Where?

02:08:53.000 New Jersey.

02:08:54.000 Really?

02:08:54.000 More black bear per capita in New Jersey than anywhere else in the country.

02:08:59.000 They're everywhere.

02:09:00.000 I have had an ongoing, I don't know if you've seen any of this on my Instagram stories, I haven't posted on my page, but I have had an ongoing battle with a mother black bear and her cub.

02:09:08.000 Have you been seeing this?

02:09:09.000 No.

02:09:09.000 In your yard?

02:09:10.000 In my yard, yeah.

02:09:11.000 In Santa Barbara?

02:09:12.000 In Santa Barbara.

02:09:12.000 Yeah, there are a lot of them.

02:09:13.000 I've lived there for 15 years, I saw one once on a hike on a hillside, and then six months ago, I wake up, there's all this ruckus, you know, I'm fast asleep, I'm like, what's going on?

02:09:23.000 The dogs bark, and I head outside, and there is a black bear on top of our chicken coop ripping the panels off.

02:09:29.000 Whoa.

02:09:30.000 And I run up to it, I'm screaming, I'm like, hey, get out of here, bear!

02:09:32.000 I'm in my boxers, I don't even have a light on, nothing.

02:09:34.000 Because it was Santa Barbara, nothing, like, happens at night there, right?

02:09:37.000 Yeah.

02:09:38.000 And we have an acre, and so it's pretty spacious, but it's all fenced in.

02:09:41.000 This black bear has torn through our fence, come in, ripped the chicken coop to shreds, killed my kid's favorite chicken, killed all the other, you know, we have like 20 chickens.

02:09:50.000 Well, we did then, now we have like five.

02:09:52.000 And it has just been gone through these chickens.

02:09:54.000 And so I scare that bear off, I'm like, that was an anomaly, it'll never happen again.

02:09:58.000 Happens again the next night.

02:10:00.000 Well, now they know where the chickens are.

02:10:01.000 It's going to happen constantly.

02:10:03.000 So I've been trying all these non-lethal mitigation methods, right?

02:10:06.000 So we reinforced the fence.

02:10:08.000 Didn't work.

02:10:09.000 I put up these proximity alarms.

02:10:12.000 That worked at least for a few months.

02:10:15.000 Bear came back, killed our rabbits.

02:10:17.000 We had two Flemish giant rabbits.

02:10:18.000 They're a child now.

02:10:21.000 Now I'm thinking about getting a paintball gun and putting some mace in it or something. 0.93

02:10:25.000 I don't want to kill the thing. 0.99

02:10:27.000 You're not allowed to kill them. 0.98

02:10:28.000 That's part of the problem.

02:10:29.000 And I wouldn't, anyway.

02:10:31.000 I would.

02:10:32.000 You'd have to get a depredation permit.

02:10:34.000 A tag, yeah, sure.

02:10:35.000 And I mean, I'm sure if I called Fish and Game, or maybe they're going to hear this, it's going to become a thing, but...

02:10:39.000 They're never going to stop.

02:10:40.000 The thing about bears is when...

02:10:42.000 Once they know.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, once they know, they get habituated.

02:10:45.000 And you can't stop them.

02:10:45.000 You cannot stop them.

02:10:46.000 You can't stop them.

02:10:46.000 Any other animal I've ever encountered or worked with, you can mitigate, like...

02:10:52.000 Almost very easily.

02:10:53.000 Put up a fence, no problem.

02:10:54.000 Right, done.

02:10:55.000 No, they're gonna keep coming.

02:10:56.000 This girl and her cub...

02:10:59.000 Have you ever seen the video of these giant bears brawling in far Rockaway, New Jersey?

02:11:04.000 No.

02:11:05.000 Oh, you need to see this, because it's crazy.

02:11:07.000 It's a very residential neighborhood.

02:11:09.000 And they're just clawing at each other.

02:11:11.000 Normal suburbs, where kids are waiting for the school bus, and we're talking like 300-pound-plus black bear going at it.

02:11:20.000 Look at this.

02:11:21.000 They're on the guy's porch, practically. 0.98

02:11:23.000 Holy crap. 1.00

02:11:24.000 So they're fighting over garbage. 1.00

02:11:27.000 Like, who gets access to the garbage? 1.00

02:11:29.000 Look at the size of these fuckers! 1.00

02:11:31.000 These are big bears! 0.99

02:11:36.000 I mean, this is the kind of bear, like, both of these bears are the kind of bear that you'd want to hunt.

02:11:40.000 Now, the governor of New Jersey, the most recent governor, he ran on a platform of stopping the bear hunt.

02:11:46.000 Oh, interesting. 0.59

02:11:47.000 Because all the dorky liberals that live in, like, the, you know, in the nice cities, they don't have any idea what the problem is like. 0.83

02:11:54.000 The majority of the voters don't understand or connect with the problem. 0.90

02:11:57.000 Exactly.

02:11:57.000 Which is the same in a lot of places where these urban areas vote on things that happen in Rural areas.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, in rural areas where they have no idea what the problem is.

02:12:07.000 Yeah.

02:12:07.000 So the amount of human-bear interactions went up so much, by over 200%, that they had to reinstate the bear hunt within two years of him being the governor.

02:12:18.000 Really?

02:12:19.000 Yeah.

02:12:19.000 Wow.

02:12:19.000 So, like, right away.

02:12:21.000 So, what did he get it in?

02:12:22.000 2020?

02:12:23.000 And then by 2022, he's like, okay!

02:12:25.000 Enough.

02:12:26.000 And has it made an impact? 1.00

02:12:27.000 Keep killing them. 0.99

02:12:27.000 Has it helped? 0.99

02:12:28.000 Yeah.

02:12:28.000 Well, they're going to start hunting them again now.

02:12:30.000 Gotcha.

02:12:30.000 And they're actually going to raise the number of bears you're allowed to kill.

02:12:33.000 Gotcha.

02:12:33.000 And raise the number of tags.

02:12:34.000 Just to level it out.

02:12:35.000 They have to.

02:12:37.000 There's so many of them.

02:12:38.000 That's the thing people don't understand, is, like, we're at a state...

02:12:42.000 Where we have to manage the wildlife.

02:12:44.000 We don't have a choice.

02:12:45.000 This idea that, like, let's just let it all roam free and everything, it doesn't work that way anymore.

02:12:49.000 There's too much human development, there's too many urban areas, and we have made an imbalance.

02:12:54.000 If everything was wild and natural, sure, I completely agree, leave it alone.

02:12:59.000 But it's not, this is not natural.

02:13:00.000 These bears have bred in a residential area, they're feeding on garbage.

02:13:04.000 It's totally natural for them to be fighting on stairs.

02:13:07.000 Totally, yeah, that's what I mean.

02:13:08.000 That's their natural battling habitat.

02:13:12.000 And I'm not saying get rid of the bears.

02:13:14.000 Don't wipe out bears.

02:13:15.000 No one's saying that.

02:13:16.000 But it has to be managed.

02:13:18.000 You have to manage them.

02:13:18.000 And you also have to make them fearful of humans.

02:13:21.000 I mean, the thing about what you're doing, trying to scare that bear off, it's not going to work.

02:13:27.000 No, I agree with you.

02:13:27.000 I mean, when they catch bears going into people's garbage, they have to relocate the bears.

02:13:31.000 They call them naughty bears.

02:13:32.000 Yeah.

02:13:33.000 Naughty bears.

02:13:33.000 Naughty bear.

02:13:34.000 And then they relocate them.

02:13:35.000 Because if you don't relocate them, they know where the garbage is.

02:13:38.000 Why would they go hunt a deer when they could just go into your garbage?

02:13:41.000 Right.

02:13:41.000 And pull out that Subway sandwich that you didn't finish.

02:13:44.000 Well, my ultimate solution is we have five chickens left, and if those five chickens go, we're done with chickens for a little bit.

02:13:50.000 That's my ultimate solution.

02:13:53.000 Unfortunately, you live in a state where there's no way you can get a permit to shoot that thing.

02:14:00.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:14:01.000 Especially if you live in only one acre.

02:14:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:14:03.000 One acre is not good even with a bow and arrow because you get a pass through and it can hit somebody's fucking... 0.99

02:14:08.000 Totally. 0.98

02:14:09.000 As a matter of fact, my friend Bruce said that one of his neighbors, someone shot a crossbow through a deer and it went through their window and stuck into their wall. 1.00

02:14:18.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:14:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Can you imagine that? 1.00

02:14:20.000 One of his neighbors' walls got...

02:14:22.000 Penetrated by a crossbow bolt. 1.00

02:14:24.000 But whoever did that's a fucking asshole. 1.00

02:14:27.000 Yeah, they're idiots. 1.00

02:14:27.000 And it's not legal either. 1.00

02:14:28.000 I'm sure. 0.99

02:14:29.000 It's some jackass. 0.99

02:14:30.000 I'm sure. 1.00

02:14:30.000 Who wanted to shoot a deer, maybe for food. 1.00

02:14:32.000 Probably poaching the deer with a crossbow, and yeah.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, probably.

02:14:36.000 I mean, that does happen.

02:14:38.000 I mean, it does happen, especially, you know, in poor neighborhoods.

02:14:41.000 Yeah.

02:14:42.000 Like, you could get so much meat off of a deer, you know, eating it for weeks and weeks.

02:14:46.000 Dude, last time I saw you at your LA studio, you gave me like 40 pounds of elk.

02:14:50.000 I think I had my last piece like three months ago.

02:14:52.000 I savored that.

02:14:54.000 I kept it.

02:14:54.000 I dulled it out.

02:14:55.000 I'd only have it on special occasions.

02:14:57.000 It was so good.

02:14:58.000 Yeah, I eat so much of that.

02:14:59.000 I know you do.

02:15:00.000 Thank you for that.

02:15:01.000 My pleasure.

02:15:01.000 It's so good.

02:15:02.000 It's so good for you, too.

02:15:03.000 It's so nutrient-dense.

02:15:05.000 It's like no other meat.

02:15:07.000 It really is.

02:15:08.000 It tastes different.

02:15:09.000 It looks different.

02:15:11.000 It's more firm when you push on it.

02:15:13.000 It's like...

02:15:13.000 And you do the liver, the heart, everything from it, right?

02:15:16.000 Yeah, I eat everything.

02:15:17.000 Yeah, I eat everything.

02:15:18.000 I've been feeding the liver a lot to my dog, too.

02:15:21.000 Yeah?

02:15:21.000 Yeah, I cook it and...

02:15:23.000 Maybe that's why he's got that big head.

02:15:24.000 No, he's just...

02:15:25.000 But, my God, the way he eats it, it's crazy.

02:15:27.000 He goes nuts for it?

02:15:29.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:15:29.000 Like, frenzied, like he's a little crackhead. 0.98

02:15:32.000 He can't help himself.

02:15:33.000 We get tuna in California.

02:15:35.000 I think I've shown you some pictures.

02:15:38.000 I'll scrape the carcass, scrape the frame, and get all the bits of mushy, fatty tuna that's quite delicious, to be honest.

02:15:44.000 But then I'll just boil it for the dog.

02:15:46.000 The house stinks when you're boiling it.

02:15:47.000 You have to cook it outside, whatever.

02:15:48.000 But then you give this dog just a bowl of boiled tuna meat.

02:15:52.000 Oh my god, they go nuts.

02:15:54.000 They go nuts.

02:15:54.000 I've never seen him look at his dog food or kibble or a treat or anything like that.

02:15:58.000 No, that stuff sucks. 0.98

02:15:59.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

02:16:01.000 But you give him some elk liver, they go bonkers.

02:16:04.000 Yeah.

02:16:04.000 He loves it.

02:16:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:05.000 He sits there staring at me, salivating, little drips on the ground.

02:16:10.000 He goes nuts. 0.94

02:16:11.000 It's funny.

02:16:12.000 He probably knows when you're cooking it, right?

02:16:13.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:14.000 He's dialed in.

02:16:15.000 Yeah, he knows also when I'm using a chopping board that there's a 1 out of 10 chance he's getting some of that.

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:21.000 So he'll sit there, he hears chop, chop, chop.

02:16:24.000 Wired in.

02:16:25.000 Come on, bro.

02:16:26.000 Let this be the time.

02:16:27.000 Let it be liver.

02:16:29.000 Yeah, but, you know, animal organs, it's funny how human beings at one point in time favored animal organs.

02:16:37.000 Right.

02:16:37.000 But it was the primary thing that we liked to eat.

02:16:39.000 Yeah.

02:16:39.000 You know, like I had Sonny from Best Ever Food Review.

02:16:43.000 He's got that, have you ever seen that YouTube show?

02:16:45.000 No, I don't know.

02:16:45.000 It's a great YouTube show.

02:16:47.000 And he travels all over the world Eating with tribal people and going to exotic locations and eating their foods and it was amazing.

02:16:59.000 He spent time with the Hadza in Tanzania and he spent time with all these different tribal people where they killed a goat and they're scooping up the blood, the coagulated blood and swarping it. 0.96

02:17:11.000 So he's eating it there with them.

02:17:13.000 Yeah, that's gnarly.

02:17:14.000 And they also take raw liver and squirt bile on it and gallbladder juice.

02:17:20.000 Oh, don't eat bile.

02:17:21.000 That's gnarly.

02:17:22.000 And they enjoy it.

02:17:24.000 That's what they like.

02:17:25.000 They like to dip it in bile and blood and a mixture of the two.

02:17:29.000 I get eating liver.

02:17:31.000 I've had the blood mixed with milk that the Maasai drink.

02:17:33.000 They put a plug in the neck.

02:17:35.000 I've had that.

02:17:36.000 It's palatable.

02:17:38.000 I've accidentally cut the bile open on a fish once or twice and just...

02:17:43.000 Oh, dude.

02:17:44.000 I mean, maybe mammal bile's better, but I highly doubt it.

02:17:47.000 He says it's not.

02:17:48.000 Yeah.

02:17:48.000 He says it's awful.

02:17:49.000 So gross, dude. 1.00

02:17:49.000 He says it's fucking disgusting. 1.00

02:17:51.000 Yeah, I bet. 0.99

02:17:52.000 But for whatever reason, these people have developed a taste for it, which is really fascinating.

02:17:55.000 But it probably goes back to what we were saying earlier, which is, have they developed a taste for it, or do they just know that it's that good for them?

02:18:02.000 So their brain is telling them, because of the options available, eat it.

02:18:07.000 Right.

02:18:07.000 This is going to benefit you.

02:18:09.000 Yeah, there's no options.

02:18:10.000 It's just survival.

02:18:11.000 Right.

02:18:11.000 Yeah.

02:18:12.000 But liver was always a big thing with the Comanche. 1.00

02:18:15.000 The Comanche would take liver, raw liver, and they would squirt bile on it. 1.00

02:18:20.000 Oh, I didn't realize that as well.

02:18:22.000 It's crazy.

02:18:24.000 It's a very common thing to eat it that way.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 It's become trendy again, too, and maybe it's just the pages that I follow or whatever, but I'm seeing way more of the eat animal organs that consume every part of it now than I ever did even a year ago.

02:18:37.000 I think that started off with Paul, Paul Saladino, and then it moved its way to the liver king.

02:18:42.000 Sure. 0.97

02:18:43.000 And unfortunately, I think there's a lot of people that were duped into thinking they could actually look like that guy if they were eating raw liver and raw testicles. 0.94

02:18:52.000 But the message of eat those things is a good message. 0.93

02:18:55.000 Yes.

02:18:55.000 Eat those things.

02:18:56.000 Eat organs.

02:18:57.000 That's really good for you.

02:18:59.000 But the idea that that's going to turn you into...

02:19:02.000 But I did read something about... 0.99

02:19:05.000 Oh, actually, I was informed by a friend that eating testicles... 0.99

02:19:09.000 It is possible that eating testicles has an androgenic effect. 0.99

02:19:14.000 Oh, interesting. 0.99

02:19:15.000 And you can actually get some oral form of testosterone from eating testicles. 0.98

02:19:20.000 See if you can Google that. 0.93

02:19:22.000 Because they've tested some testicle supplements.

02:19:28.000 And through testing these testicle supplements, they found trace amounts of what would show up in a drug test as taking oral testosterone.

02:19:39.000 No kidding.

02:19:40.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:19:41.000 Also just saying testing testicle supplements three times fast. 0.97

02:19:44.000 I was like waiting for you to fumble. 0.94

02:19:46.000 It was testing testicle supplements. 0.97

02:19:49.000 That's cool.

02:19:49.000 I mean, you're eating testosterone, right?

02:19:52.000 So it's just there is something there.

02:19:56.000 You're not just digesting it, I guess.

02:19:57.000 You're actually absorbing it.

02:19:58.000 Right.

02:19:59.000 And well, Rocky Mountain oysters was always like a big thing that cowboys would eat whenever they would castrate Yep, yep.

02:20:05.000 And turn them into steers. 1.00

02:20:06.000 It's good.

02:20:06.000 Have you had it?

02:20:07.000 I have.

02:20:07.000 It's good.

02:20:08.000 Tastes great.

02:20:08.000 It's not bad.

02:20:09.000 I mean, everything deep fried tastes good.

02:20:11.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not the best thing in the world.

02:20:13.000 Right.

02:20:13.000 You know, there's definitely, I'd rather have a ribeye.

02:20:16.000 Yeah, any day.

02:20:17.000 It's better.

02:20:17.000 Yeah.

02:20:17.000 But it's edible.

02:20:19.000 You're not like forcing it down.

02:20:21.000 You're like, this is not bad.

02:20:22.000 Yeah, it's not nasty.

02:20:23.000 Right.

02:20:23.000 It's just like, this is not bad.

02:20:25.000 Yeah.

02:20:26.000 But it's, you see anything about that?

02:20:29.000 No.

02:20:30.000 Some people have looked at this.

02:20:33.000 Google...

02:20:33.000 This is an explanation about it.

02:20:37.000 No, I understand.

02:20:37.000 I was going to tell you, Google the whole package.

02:20:43.000 Google testosterone found in the whole package.

02:20:50.000 Desiccated testicle supplements.

02:20:54.000 Because I think the whole package is one of those liver king supplements.

02:20:59.000 He...

02:21:00.000 Him and Paul Saladino both were partners in one of these companies, whether it's Ancestral Supplements or the other one, where they sell desiccated or dehydrated liver and heart and kidneys.

02:21:15.000 And I've taken their supplements.

02:21:16.000 They're really excellent.

02:21:18.000 But I think one of them, I think it's called The Whole Package, has been shown to contain some oral form of testosterone.

02:21:28.000 Is it The Whole Beast?

02:21:30.000 Because I've seen that being...

02:21:31.000 No.

02:21:32.000 Oh, hold back.

02:21:32.000 You're right.

02:21:33.000 Yeah, okay. 0.61

02:21:33.000 It says it's got testicle in it, but I don't see anything about testosterone. 0.61

02:21:36.000 Yeah, but I mean, the actual testing of it, not from them, from someone else.

02:21:42.000 But I think that's great, that people are choosing to eat these things, not just for their health, but the fact that there's much less animal waste.

02:21:49.000 It's not all just going to dog food and things like that.

02:21:52.000 It's like people are starting...

02:21:54.000 It's trendy.

02:21:55.000 It's cool.

02:21:55.000 Paul, Liverking, whomever, they're turning this into a thing.

02:21:58.000 Yeah, Jamie, he actually sent it to me.

02:22:01.000 Hold on a second.

02:22:02.000 I can send it to you.

02:22:03.000 Now I'm remembering.

02:22:06.000 Hang on one second.

02:22:07.000 Yeah, it is.

02:22:08.000 I mean, it is good in that regard.

02:22:10.000 Yeah.

02:22:11.000 Give me one second.

02:22:12.000 Here it is.

02:22:16.000 Jamie.

02:22:19.000 Why?

02:22:21.000 Is your airdrop on?

02:22:22.000 There it goes.

02:22:23.000 All right.

02:22:26.000 Okay.

02:22:28.000 Are you receiving that?

02:22:30.000 Okay.

02:22:32.000 So, pull that up. 0.77

02:22:33.000 So, this is someone actually tested it.

02:22:36.000 And this is what the results were that they had found.

02:22:39.000 And this is from the whole package.

02:22:41.000 So, Androstein 317-dione, 20 nanograms per gram.

02:22:49.000 I don't know what any of this means.

02:22:51.000 Testosterone, 250 nanograms per gram, to 300 nanograms per gram.

02:22:57.000 So, what it is, is showing...

02:23:00.000 That there's some kind of androgens that are available that people have detected in this supplement.

02:23:08.000 Now, is that orally active?

02:23:09.000 That's the question.

02:23:10.000 Like, does it actually increase your testosterone by eating it?

02:23:13.000 Sure.

02:23:13.000 I have no idea.

02:23:15.000 Yeah.

02:23:15.000 I'm not the guy for that.

02:23:17.000 But eating organs, just the sheer nutrient content of like liver per se.

02:23:23.000 I know a lot of people who, like my friend Derek, he eats one ounce of liver every day.

02:23:28.000 Does he do it raw?

02:23:29.000 No, he cooks it.

02:23:30.000 He cooks it.

02:23:31.000 Okay.

02:23:31.000 But he does it just for sheer, just for health benefits.

02:23:34.000 Yeah.

02:23:34.000 And he feels a genuine change from eating it.

02:23:38.000 It's undeniable that it's a nutrient-dense food.

02:23:41.000 It's really a superfood.

02:23:43.000 I know it's been said on social media and stuff, but a lot of animals pick the liver if they have their choice.

02:23:50.000 A lot of predators pick out livers. 0.98

02:23:53.000 Orcas, lions, hyenas, all kinds of things.

02:23:56.000 Wolves.

02:23:56.000 If they have the choice, they are eating the liver immediately.

02:23:59.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

02:23:59.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 Well, that tells you something, right?

02:24:01.000 That really does.

02:24:02.000 It tells you that there is so much vital nutrient in that organ that it's being selected for over muscle meat, over other tissue.

02:24:10.000 And you get different stuff from different parts of the animal.

02:24:12.000 Skin has different stuff.

02:24:13.000 But the fact that that's being selected for first...

02:24:16.000 I mean, that should be an indicator.

02:24:18.000 I think we can live our lives by things animals show us.

02:24:21.000 Yeah, well, you definitely can learn something from them.

02:24:23.000 You've done a lot of diving, and you do a lot of fishing.

02:24:28.000 Are you concerned at all about mercury levels in fish?

02:24:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:33.000 I think that, you know, if I had a diet of exclusively bluefin tuna, I'm certain I'd get, you know, mercury poisoning, foggy-headed, you know, all the things that come from that.

02:24:43.000 But as long as you're varying it, you know, and you're not, like, I think being pescatarian with wild apex fish, like, there's certain choices, right?

02:24:51.000 Certain fish have much lower mercury levels than others.

02:24:54.000 And it's the apex ones, the ones that are the predators, they're the ones who get the higher fish content or the higher mercury content because they're eating all these other fish that spend a lot of time in the depths of the ocean where the heavy metal poisoning is.

02:25:09.000 Is that the idea?

02:25:09.000 That's part of it.

02:25:10.000 It's really just the bioaccumulation.

02:25:12.000 So every fish has the same amount.

02:25:15.000 This is very vague, but every fish has the same amount of mercury.

02:25:18.000 But if you're a fish at the top of the food chain and you eat a thousand small fish, that's all that mercury is accumulating because it doesn't dissipate.

02:25:26.000 Versus if you're a fish lower down in the food chain like a sardine, that's just eating microorganisms and algae.

02:25:32.000 It's not accumulating a lot of mercury.

02:25:34.000 It's interesting you say that because I tested positive for arsenic from sardines.

02:25:39.000 Really?

02:25:40.000 Yeah.

02:25:40.000 How does that happen?

02:25:41.000 I got a blood test and my doctor was like, you got arsenic in your blood.

02:25:45.000 I was like, what?

02:25:46.000 That's terrible.

02:25:47.000 Yeah.

02:25:47.000 And he goes, it's not a lot.

02:25:50.000 He goes, it's a very small amount.

02:25:51.000 He goes, but what are you eating?

02:25:53.000 And he goes, are you eating any sardines?

02:25:55.000 I go, yeah, I eat a lot.

02:25:56.000 I eat like three cans a day.

02:25:58.000 I was eating a lot of sardines. 1.00

02:26:01.000 Young and single and stupid. 1.00

02:26:03.000 And he said, don't do that. 1.00

02:26:04.000 He said, let's do it again in a couple of months.

02:26:06.000 Just cut that out of your diet.

02:26:08.000 Cut it out of my diet.

02:26:09.000 Went back.

02:26:09.000 Nothing.

02:26:10.000 No arsenic at all.

02:26:11.000 Do you know how the arsenic is in sardines?

02:26:13.000 I don't even know about that.

02:26:13.000 Just heavy metal toxins.

02:26:14.000 They spend a lot of time in the low depths of the ocean where a lot of that stuff accumulates apparently.

02:26:20.000 Yeah.

02:26:38.000 And there's a lot of concern that when they're going over to Japan from Hiroshima and things like that, they're picking up a lot of radiation, and that's actually activating the mercury, right?

02:26:49.000 Oh, really?

02:26:50.000 Yeah, so there's been published studies on this, and I don't know exactly how much it's affected in those fish, but the fish going over there undeniably have higher amounts of mercury than the fish over on the west coast of the United States.

02:27:02.000 Wow.

02:27:03.000 The radiation activates the mercury.

02:27:05.000 Yeah.

02:27:06.000 Yeah, there's been some...

02:27:07.000 I don't understand how.

02:27:08.000 I don't understand how it's connected, but yeah.

02:27:10.000 How much time is there left in the ocean for these fish?

02:27:15.000 If you think about how quickly...

02:27:17.000 We want to talk about how we wiped out woolly mammoths and we wiped out bison... 0.99

02:27:21.000 We are wiping out fish at a fucking staggering rate. 0.97

02:27:26.000 An alarming rate, yeah. 0.99

02:27:27.000 Yeah.

02:27:28.000 And what's crazy, before we talk about how much time is left, scientists predict that eight years is all it would take to bring it back to 100%, or maybe it was 98%.

02:27:36.000 What?

02:27:36.000 If we stopped fishing the ocean for eight years, it would be back to nearly 100% fecundency, 100% perfect, nearly.

02:27:44.000 Right.

02:27:45.000 But we'd have to get all the countries on board.

02:27:47.000 Yeah.

02:27:47.000 That means for eight years all the fishermen would starve.

02:27:49.000 And not to mention fish is the primary source of protein for like the majority of the planet.

02:27:54.000 Is it really?

02:27:55.000 It is, yeah.

02:27:55.000 The majority of the planet.

02:27:57.000 Yeah.

02:27:57.000 That's certainly everywhere coastal.

02:27:59.000 But the majority of the planet's majority of protein comes from fish.

02:28:03.000 Wow.

02:28:03.000 Yeah, which is why.

02:28:04.000 And we are.

02:28:05.000 I mean, we are wiping out, you know, it's 100 million sharks a year we're killing.

02:28:08.000 Just sharks.

02:28:09.000 100 million a year.

02:28:11.000 Just think about that.

02:28:12.000 That is so many animals.

02:28:13.000 Wow.

02:28:14.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:28:15.000 Are the oceans fucked? 0.99

02:28:18.000 My short answer is no, because I don't like to think in that doom and gloom. 0.97

02:28:22.000 I think that we have the ability and the knowledge to overcome it.

02:28:26.000 We just have to figure out how we're going to do that.

02:28:28.000 I think if we continue at the rate that we're doing it, we're going to see a big collapse.

02:28:33.000 And by the way, people seem to forget about this.

02:28:35.000 If we lose the ocean, we all die.

02:28:37.000 It's the biggest carbon neutralizer.

02:28:39.000 It gives us all of our protein.

02:28:40.000 Like, there's a million reasons why the ocean, it's where all our rain comes from.

02:28:44.000 Everything is connected to the ocean.

02:28:46.000 And if we fuck that up completely, we're gone.

02:28:50.000 Yeah.

02:28:50.000 And yet, here we are, like, day after day, doing everything we can.

02:28:54.000 Just dumping stuff into the ocean. 0.98

02:28:57.000 Using giant nets and scooping up every fucking living thing that gets caught in it. 0.99

02:29:02.000 Everything. 0.98

02:29:03.000 Those trawlers that are, like, scraping the bottom, all the starfish and skates and Carl Reeves.

02:29:08.000 It's crazy that we do that.

02:29:09.000 Meanwhile, I love sushi.

02:29:10.000 It's the best.

02:29:11.000 Favorite food in the whole world.

02:29:12.000 I know, but... 0.96

02:29:14.000 But we're all hypocrites in that regard. 1.00

02:29:16.000 It's so fucked. 1.00

02:29:17.000 There's just so many goddamn people and so much need. 1.00

02:29:20.000 I mean, if people were forced to gather their own food and hunt for their own food, and you had a few months out of the year that all you did was hunt and fish, and then you stored it all and stockpiled it. 0.98

02:29:33.000 You know, we'd have a completely different thought about, like, where food comes from.

02:29:39.000 100%.

02:29:39.000 But the fact that you could just pull in a jack-in-the-box, get a burger.

02:29:42.000 Right.

02:29:42.000 Eat a piece of cow, no problem.

02:29:44.000 Flay a fish.

02:29:44.000 Yeah.

02:29:45.000 Yeah.

02:29:45.000 It's the connectedness, man.

02:29:47.000 I stand by that.

02:29:48.000 I think I've become more and more of a proponent for it as I get older.

02:29:50.000 But it's just, like, people need to connect with nature and connect with animals.

02:29:55.000 If they can do that, they can have appreciation.

02:29:57.000 They're more willing to make smart choices.

02:29:59.000 I'm not saying don't eat sushi. 0.97

02:30:00.000 I fucking love sushi. 0.91

02:30:01.000 It's my favorite food in the whole world. 0.98

02:30:03.000 But I still try and make smart choices.

02:30:05.000 Like, I try not to get five orders of bluefin tuna for the obvious reason that that's typically bluefin tuna that's getting wiped out, right?

02:30:12.000 But it's because I'm connected, because I go diving, and I love the ocean, and I see those fish.

02:30:16.000 And so I just think people need to connect to nature more.

02:30:20.000 Yeah, we're very disconnected.

02:30:22.000 It's just such a new thing, too, that human beings live in these massive population centers, like Los Angeles and New York, and are so removed from the process of where their food comes from.

02:30:34.000 Completely and utterly.

02:30:35.000 To the point that humans are disgusted by it.

02:30:38.000 You see these comments online, like, oh my god, how can you cut that fish up?

02:30:42.000 Or how can you fillet that deer or clean that elk or whatever? 0.99

02:30:45.000 It's like, Where the fuck do you think your food's coming from? 0.99

02:30:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:48.000 And they're disgusted by the process, and yet those are the same people that are going and eating it. 0.99

02:30:53.000 Well, and they're the same people, if they're not eating fish and meat, they don't understand what monocrop agriculture is doing to the earth.

02:30:59.000 And that's ten times worse.

02:31:00.000 It's the worst.

02:31:02.000 Dude, we went to Borneo.

02:31:04.000 I've never been so heartbroken in my entire life looking at an environment.

02:31:08.000 We went to Borneo to look for this primate species, Miller's grizzled langur.

02:31:13.000 What are you looking for?

02:31:14.000 You just mumbled that out.

02:31:14.000 Sorry.

02:31:15.000 The Miller's grizzled langur called the Dracula monkey. 0.78

02:31:18.000 It's a monkey with this big collar.

02:31:19.000 We found it.

02:31:20.000 First one seen in 30 years.

02:31:21.000 We got it on a trail camera.

02:31:22.000 What does that look like?

02:31:23.000 It's awesome.

02:31:24.000 Jamie can pull it up.

02:31:25.000 You know what a langur is?

02:31:26.000 So you found one?

02:31:27.000 So they were thought to be extinct?

02:31:29.000 Yeah, for 30 years.

02:31:30.000 Yeah.

02:31:31.000 Wow.

02:31:31.000 They call him a Dracula monkey?

02:31:33.000 Yeah.

02:31:33.000 Whoa!

02:31:34.000 What a cool looking monkey.

02:31:36.000 The picture to the left is our picture.

02:31:38.000 That one right there.

02:31:38.000 Right there?

02:31:39.000 Yeah, that's my picture.

02:31:40.000 Wow.

02:31:40.000 I think.

02:31:41.000 Yeah, I think that's our picture.

02:31:42.000 Rare monkey discovered.

02:31:43.000 Rare monkey discovered in Borneo.

02:31:44.000 Yep.

02:31:45.000 So they hadn't been seen for like 30 years, and there's this incredible professor I worked with, and she pointed me in the right direction, then we worked with the right people.

02:31:53.000 There's me right there in the Dracula Monkey.

02:31:56.000 And anyway, yeah, so we went and found this guy.

02:31:58.000 But the point being, we landed in Borneo.

02:32:01.000 We drove for two days to get to this primary piece of jungle.

02:32:05.000 For two days, all we saw was oil palm.

02:32:07.000 For two days.

02:32:08.000 I'm not joking.

02:32:10.000 It's just...

02:32:11.000 Like, eight, nine hours of driving per day, plantation after plantation of monoculture.

02:32:16.000 One singular crop.

02:32:17.000 Wiping out virgin primary jungle to plant this oil palm.

02:32:23.000 It was devastating.

02:32:25.000 Nothing lives in it.

02:32:26.000 And palm oil is used for...

02:32:28.000 Everything.

02:32:29.000 Everything.

02:32:30.000 Your Nutella, your peanut butter, your...

02:32:32.000 It's like the cheapest version of oil.

02:32:36.000 And so it's in tons, especially sweet food products.

02:32:38.000 It's in everything.

02:32:40.000 Everything.

02:32:40.000 And again, I love Nutella, but I try not to buy it because I've been to Borneo and I've seen it.

02:32:45.000 I'm not saying everybody can do that, but at least I've been connected to it enough to now try and make those decisions.

02:32:51.000 And it's just, man, that monoculture and seeing it.

02:32:54.000 And then you get into this tiny little patch of virgin jungle, right, that's like, whatever, a couple hundred miles or whatever, tiny compared to the island.

02:33:02.000 And it's so alive and virgin.

02:33:04.000 Yeah, this is what it looks like.

02:33:05.000 Just for days, Joe.

02:33:07.000 I'm not kidding.

02:33:08.000 It is devastating to see.

02:33:10.000 And so all that wildlife, all that habitat is all destroyed for this monocrop.

02:33:16.000 Yep, all gone.

02:33:17.000 Yes, look at that picture.

02:33:18.000 1950 versus 2020. Look at that.

02:33:21.000 1950, look at the amount of virgin jungle.

02:33:25.000 2020, look what's left.

02:33:26.000 Wow.

02:33:28.000 It's literally like there's maybe 30% left.

02:33:31.000 And so we drove up that sort of coastline that you see there, and you just see nothing.

02:33:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:33:36.000 Thanks, Jamie.

02:33:37.000 And it's unfathomable that we can do this.

02:33:41.000 And it's because it's cheap.

02:33:42.000 It's because labor in Indonesia is cheap.

02:33:44.000 It's cheap to produce the crop.

02:33:46.000 Everything's getting torn up like that, looking like those mines, and that's just for plantation.

02:33:51.000 And nothing...

02:33:52.000 You go into it at night, right?

02:33:54.000 Like with a headlamp or whatever.

02:33:55.000 Silent.

02:33:56.000 Just silent.

02:33:57.000 No crickets, no bats, no birds.

02:33:59.000 Silent.

02:34:00.000 You get into these little patches of jungle, noises and crickets and bugs and bees and monkeys.

02:34:06.000 I heard the night in the jungle is just deafening.

02:34:08.000 It's amazing.

02:34:10.000 It's deafening.

02:34:33.000 It's crazy.

02:34:35.000 Yeah, no, I can't either. 1.00

02:34:36.000 I don't like hearing that shit. 0.99

02:34:38.000 Well, Forrest, still alive. 1.00

02:34:39.000 It's your book.

02:34:40.000 It's available now.

02:34:41.000 Did you do the audio version of it?

02:34:43.000 I did.

02:34:43.000 Did you narrate it?

02:34:44.000 I did.

02:34:44.000 Yeah.

02:34:45.000 Nice.

02:34:46.000 My scratchy voice, if you want.

02:34:48.000 Happy!

02:34:48.000 I love when an author reads their own book.

02:34:51.000 It's really depressing when they hire some actor to read it when you know they're disconnected from the subject matter.

02:34:55.000 Especially something like this.

02:34:56.000 You helped me write that.

02:34:57.000 You don't even know that.

02:34:58.000 How did I help you?

02:34:59.000 When we went to see the wolves together, we're sitting in the car, and you're like, dude, get out from under the thumb of these networks.

02:35:05.000 Do your own thing.

02:35:05.000 Do more of it.

02:35:06.000 Because I was griping about how tough it is to get, you know, Animal Planet Discovery, whatever, on board for some of these projects. 0.99

02:35:11.000 And you're like, just go fucking do it, dude. 0.97

02:35:13.000 And I was like, all right. 0.99

02:35:14.000 And that was like, I think we hung out in January and COVID hit in March.

02:35:18.000 And COVID hit, and I was like, well, I'm stuck at home.

02:35:20.000 I'm going to write a book.

02:35:22.000 Well, I'm glad you did, Ben.

02:35:23.000 I'm glad you're thinking along those ways, because I think if you did a show and just did it on YouTube or did it on some other platform, I mean, you'd probably have way more views even than you're getting off of the networks, because people just aren't watching TV like they used to.

02:35:39.000 People are really fascinated by the internet.

02:35:41.000 They're watching things on their phones, they're watching Apple TV and Netflix, and that's where people are getting it from the internet.

02:35:50.000 You're right.

02:35:50.000 And that's where I'm going.

02:35:51.000 We've started this thing called The Wild Times, which is our YouTube thing.

02:35:54.000 And it's super fun.

02:35:55.000 It's very like talk show, you know, but we talk about wildlife news and what's happening in the world and started to do some content for it.

02:36:01.000 Beautiful.

02:36:01.000 It's fun, man.

02:36:02.000 And I'm still doing the shows.

02:36:04.000 It's on YouTube and Spotify and all those places called The Wild Times.

02:36:07.000 Is it your YouTube channel?

02:36:09.000 What is the channel itself?

02:36:10.000 There it is.

02:36:11.000 Right there.

02:36:11.000 Okay, Wild Times Pod on YouTube.

02:36:14.000 Yeah.

02:36:14.000 Alright.

02:36:15.000 And it's fun, and that's, you know, the book, and I'm still doing Shark Week shows and stuff like that.

02:36:19.000 I'm just trying to do all of it.

02:36:20.000 Beautiful.

02:36:20.000 And a big part of that is thanks to you.

02:36:22.000 My pleasure, brother.

02:36:23.000 I'm excited you're doing that.

02:36:24.000 Thank you very much for being here.

02:36:25.000 Go get the book, folks.

02:36:27.000 It's out now.

02:36:27.000 Alright.

02:36:28.000 Thanks.

02:36:28.000 Thanks, dude.

02:36:29.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 17, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1927 - Forrest Galante

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