The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1928 - Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk

00:00:13.000 What's happening?

00:00:14.000 Hi Joe, how you doing?

00:00:16.000 Good to see you again.

00:00:16.000 Ben, nice to meet you.

00:00:17.000 It's a pleasure to meet you as well, Joe.

00:00:18.000 I've enjoyed your videos, and I've enjoyed your videos, of course.

00:00:23.000 Jimmy, I watched your whole series on Atlanta all day today.

00:00:27.000 I've been watching for hours.

00:00:28.000 I've been watching...

00:00:30.000 Impact videos, videos about the Atlanta structure.

00:00:36.000 And so let's just get into it.

00:00:38.000 Let's do it.

00:00:38.000 So the Rishat structure, I was on your show a little over a year ago and shared some details about it.

00:00:43.000 To people who aren't aware, there's a location in the Western Sahara Desert of Mauritania called the Rishat structure.

00:00:49.000 It's also commonly referred to as the Eye of the Sahara.

00:00:53.000 It is a site that most people have never seen or heard of before, which is truly peculiar because it's so spectacular.

00:01:00.000 It's a site that astronauts typically use to reference from space.

00:01:04.000 It is a geological feature that is said to be volcanic in nature.

00:01:08.000 And what's so...

00:01:11.000 Spectacular about this is that it just so happens to match more than a dozen striking similarities to what Plato had described as the lost ancient capital city of Atlantis I almost feel like we're not going to do your video justice by just talking about it because the video is so good and you go into so many details by the end of it my jaw was dropped I was like holy shit like from what you had the last time you were on the podcast to what you put out now It's even more compelling.

00:01:41.000 Way more compelling.

00:01:42.000 I appreciate you saying that.

00:01:44.000 And I guess to anyone that wants to check it out, I have a YouTube channel called Bright Insight.

00:01:48.000 It's right at the top of the page.

00:01:50.000 And it says, Lost Ancient Roman Map has Atlantis and Sahara Africa.

00:01:55.000 And that's kind of where it goes from there, is that there is a...

00:01:58.000 Actually, let me just mention real quick.

00:02:00.000 Like, you're a very inquisitive individual.

00:02:03.000 You have many interesting people that come and chat with you.

00:02:06.000 And when I had asked you last time, you said that until you had saw my video, you'd never seen or heard of the wrist shot structure.

00:02:10.000 Never heard of it.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 Anytime I meet somebody new or if I'm at some party and be like, oh, what do you do?

00:02:15.000 And we start chatting about YouTube.

00:02:16.000 The first thing I do now is I show them a picture of the wrist shot.

00:02:18.000 And I've never, not once, ever come across one single person that has seen or heard of it before.

00:02:24.000 Other than people who are familiar with what I've shared.

00:02:26.000 But there's so many things, like where the water flows to the south, where there's clear evidence of water erosion that took place after the volcano.

00:02:38.000 There's so much that points to that possibly being Atlantis.

00:02:43.000 It's spectacular.

00:02:44.000 So just to run down real quick, Plato had described Atlantis as being the capital.

00:02:48.000 Let me just mention that because it was an empire said to be made up of ten kingdoms.

00:02:51.000 And what I'm focusing on is the lost Let's take a look at that.

00:03:08.000 Tell Jamie what image to pull up so we can...

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 Yeah.

00:03:16.000 Yeah.

00:03:35.000 But what we do today is we pass down names, right?

00:03:38.000 Like people like, oh, my dad's name's John, and so is my son.

00:03:42.000 And so it's another striking similarity, but it goes further than that.

00:03:45.000 Like there's geological similarities, such as the fact that Atlantis was said to be made up of red, black, and white colored stone, which is another similarity you see at the Rishat structure.

00:03:54.000 It was said to have an abundance of gold and that the outer walls were lined with it.

00:03:58.000 And it turns out that Mauritania is loaded with gold.

00:04:01.000 And not only that, the richest person ever known to exist in all of mankind is Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire, which consisted partly of modern-day Mauritania.

00:04:11.000 And he was so rich from gold that he would be richer than Elon Musk and like Bezos combined almost.

00:04:17.000 Like many unfathomable amount of billions of dollars.

00:04:20.000 So that's another similarity.

00:04:22.000 What year was this?

00:04:23.000 Oh, this is 1300s or 1400s?

00:04:27.000 There he is.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, there we are.

00:04:28.000 1312, 1337. What a great name, too.

00:04:30.000 Manson Musa.

00:04:32.000 But the similarities don't end there.

00:04:34.000 There was said to be an abundance of elephants, which is one reason why to suggest that Atlantis would have been in Africa is because, well, besides the fact that elephants are known to be throughout Africa, there used to be in Mauritania.

00:04:45.000 I think we're good to go.

00:05:11.000 I think?

00:05:31.000 It is—if you take all the North American Great Lakes combined, that's 94,000 square miles of surface area, whereas Megalake Chad was 139,000.

00:05:41.000 Whoa.

00:05:42.000 Massive.

00:05:45.000 Additionally, Atlantis, the capital, was said to have a river that went just north of it or next to it, and the Tamanrasat River— Went right through the Rishat structure or just north of it, went all the way to the Atlas Mountains that I described, which is in modern-day Morocco.

00:06:01.000 And the evidence is that it existed at that same period of time when Atlantis was said to be around 11,600 years ago prior to its destruction.

00:06:10.000 Up until about 5,000 years ago.

00:06:12.000 So going back to my point, like a lot of people see the Sahara Desert and they don't realize that this place was unbelievably different than it is today.

00:06:20.000 And one of the things that's so important is that I know some people listening will, you know, they hear Atlantis, they think, oh, it didn't exist.

00:06:26.000 Whether it existed or not, the evidence that we're going to chat about today to show you that there is conclusive evidence, I would say, that catastrophic water erosion that the ocean had blasted through the Sahara Tens of millions of years more recently than previously known.

00:06:42.000 According to the science, 56 to 66 million years ago was the time of the Trans-Saharan Seaway, which was the last time the ocean blasted through it.

00:06:50.000 However, there are a few lines of evidence that say otherwise.

00:06:54.000 Besides the fact that anyone that looks at the Sahara Desert through the Google Earth app, you can see fluvial striations, which is signature traits of water erosion.

00:07:04.000 This is confirmed by other experts that look into these things.

00:07:08.000 I like to mention Randall Carlson.

00:07:11.000 He's someone that's analyzed the area and has said, yes, this is catastrophic water erosion.

00:07:17.000 So one of the signature lines of evidence that suggests that the ocean blasted through it far more recently was the largest volcano in Sahara Africa is in Chad.

00:07:27.000 It's Mount Kusi.

00:07:31.000 There's a lava flow that goes through it that is dated at 12,000 or so years ago.

00:07:35.000 The volcano itself is supposed to be somewhere between 1.2 and 2.3 million years ago.

00:07:40.000 But if you look at Mount Kusi to the south, you can see, and I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to bring up one of the photos of that mountain chain, but you can see that the water erosion cuts off that lava flow directly to the south.

00:07:54.000 Yeah, keep going over.

00:07:56.000 A little bit right there.

00:07:57.000 Okay.

00:07:57.000 So go over a couple.

00:07:58.000 That is the mountain.

00:07:59.000 And you can see those striations, which are signature traits of water erosion.

00:08:03.000 All those white blemishes are salt.

00:08:05.000 And I should point out real quick that it is a confirmed fact that much of the Sahara has surface level salt.

00:08:11.000 And you see those white blemishes on that mountain?

00:08:13.000 That is not clouds.

00:08:14.000 That is not snow.

00:08:15.000 Those are salt deposits.

00:08:17.000 And surface level salt that would have been from the ocean?

00:08:20.000 That is what I suggest because in the middle of that caldera, you have huge patches of salt.

00:08:25.000 And is it reasonable to suggest that that salt existed before the creation of that volcano?

00:08:31.000 Because it seems to me that all that molten, that salt would burn up.

00:08:39.000 Right.

00:08:55.000 And if you go over a couple more images, Jamie, you will see far better images that show you that...

00:09:02.000 Okay, so notice how it cuts off.

00:09:04.000 You see to the black right here? 0.81

00:09:07.000 That is a lava flow that's dated around 12,000 or so years ago.

00:09:11.000 And regardless of whether the volcano or that water erosion happened 12,000 years ago or 2 million years ago, that in itself is evidence that the ocean blasted through the Sahara Desert literally 50 to 60 million years more recently than previously known— And the implications of this,

00:09:28.000 as far as climate science, as far as the topic of geology and cataclysms, cannot be overstated.

00:09:34.000 I mean, does it not look like that lava flow was cut off by whatever type of erosion that is?

00:09:42.000 Yeah, completely.

00:09:43.000 Yeah, it's such a clean line.

00:09:45.000 And it aligns with all the water erosion marks that are to the left of it.

00:09:49.000 Can you make that smaller, Jamie?

00:09:51.000 Can you make it stretch it out?

00:09:56.000 Yeah.

00:09:57.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:09:58.000 Nothing.

00:09:58.000 It's just like you could really clearly see that it looks like a line, like a water line passed through what was marked by the volcanic eruption.

00:10:08.000 And this is one thing I say.

00:10:10.000 It's visible to anyone that has eyes to see, but it turns out that the Sahara Desert is one of the least studied places ever.

00:10:19.000 Most of the countries out there are, I regret to say, third world in that you just don't have supplies.

00:10:35.000 It's not feasible to just travel out there with a whole team on a whim.

00:10:38.000 So most of it is essentially undocumented, and it's not a site.

00:10:43.000 The Sahara as a whole isn't a site that gets much attention, unfortunately.

00:10:46.000 Ben, we've got to bring you in, otherwise we're going to talk forever.

00:10:48.000 No, I was going to say something that you mentioned about the origin of, I guess, Plato's description.

00:10:54.000 You said it was mud and grasses was like the aftermath.

00:10:57.000 It's interesting.

00:10:58.000 It's the topic I've been exploring recently is that that does match some of the...

00:11:07.000 We're good to go.

00:11:31.000 We're good to go.

00:11:40.000 And then he goes and forms Kemet, essentially the motherland, Egypt. 0.88

00:11:45.000 And it's this tale of them, I guess their civilization moving and migrating to this new land.

00:11:51.000 But they do talk about a whole stack of unknown gods and a whole culture that existed before that.

00:11:58.000 It's an interesting correlation.

00:12:00.000 It's something that Graham Hancock speculated about in his work with the Temple of Horus at Edfu.

00:12:06.000 They also have catastrophic flood myths and things like this, but it may be that whatever prior civilization, and that might have been where the dynastic Egyptians actually got their origins from, because it seems clear that they've inherited some things from the past.

00:12:21.000 That's a story they themselves tell.

00:12:23.000 Yeah, I wasn't aware that the story of Atlantis had come from Egypt.

00:12:27.000 That's one of the most bizarre parts about it.

00:12:29.000 I didn't know this until just a few years ago either.

00:12:31.000 It's like, oh, wait a second.

00:12:32.000 Plato didn't just – Plato, his distant relative Solon had traveled there in search of knowledge because Egypt was the place to go for it.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, it was the priests of the delta that told Solon.

00:12:42.000 And they said that, yeah, so 6,000 years – or 9,000 years, sorry, prior to the time of Solon was when the sinking of this city happened.

00:12:51.000 And that works out to be 9,000 years.

00:12:53.000 600 BC, so 11,600 years ago, which is bang on exactly where now the geological evidence points to basically the end of the Younger Dryas cataclysms.

00:13:02.000 We know something happened at the start at like 12,800, 900 years, and then 11,600 years ago was that end of the Younger Dryas that brought us up out of the cold spell and into the Holocene.

00:13:13.000 Isn't it crazy that that's a full thousand years and we think about it in like the same time period?

00:13:18.000 Like, yeah, I mean, around that time.

00:13:20.000 We're literally 11,600, 12,800. 0.98

00:13:24.000 We're literally talking about a thousand fucking years. 0.98

00:13:27.000 It's so much time. 0.98

00:13:28.000 It's so much time that actually if you go from 12,008, you know, so basically let's say 1,200 years.

00:13:33.000 The English language, Old English, is only like 1,400 years, and Modern English is only like 400 or 500 years.

00:13:39.000 So this is such a long period of time that we weren't even speaking the same language in that same 1,000 years ago.

00:13:47.000 When you think of it like that, it's a different world.

00:13:50.000 It's nuts.

00:13:50.000 And if you think about the people that lived 1,000 years ago and how they lived.

00:13:54.000 You know, all of this that I've learned from Graham Hancock and from Randall Carlson and from you guys, all of it is so astonishing and it all fits into place.

00:14:07.000 It all makes sense. 0.98

00:14:08.000 Like, why are we so fucked up? 0.99

00:14:10.000 Like, why is civilization so wacky? 0.99

00:14:13.000 Why do we have these weird structures that no one can really explain?

00:14:18.000 And when you think about the fact that There's so much evidence that we were hit by comets, that we were hit by large objects.

00:14:28.000 Like, I didn't know about that enormous crater that's in Antarctica.

00:14:33.000 Oh, yes.

00:14:35.000 I don't know all the details on how old that one's supposed to be, but it's one of the largest, isn't it?

00:14:38.000 Yeah, there's a big one in Antarctica.

00:14:41.000 I don't know that much about it, but another one that you...

00:14:43.000 Have you heard of Burkle Crater?

00:14:44.000 That's another one?

00:14:45.000 Yes.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, Burkle Crater, like the 20-mile hole in the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:14:50.000 And when is that supposed to be from?

00:14:52.000 So that was 5,000 years ago.

00:14:54.000 They dated that.

00:14:55.000 It's something plopped down in the Indian Ocean, and it washed up these mega tsunamis on the coast of Madagascar and Western Australia that we can see in satellite images today.

00:15:04.000 It's got these like 500, 600 foot high chevrons from where the water went miles inland.

00:15:08.000 And they found organic material from the seabed in these chevrons, and then they date that with carbon-14 dating, and they put it right at 5,000 years ago, so 2,500 around that time BC, which is actually a really interesting date when you consider some of the publications that we rely on in our modern civilization today.

00:15:29.000 The Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't written long after that.

00:15:31.000 And if you think about where the Indian Ocean is, that could have been the source of the biblical flood.

00:15:35.000 That would have washed up north into the Persian Gulf, flooded the hell out of that whole region.

00:15:40.000 It's just crazy that it's happened so many times.

00:15:43.000 That's what they say.

00:15:44.000 We like to think of history as being this linear thing.

00:15:46.000 We started out as cave people.

00:15:48.000 That's right.

00:15:48.000 Then we branched out from Africa all across the world.

00:15:50.000 And that's the end of it.

00:15:51.000 And kept learning.

00:15:52.000 And here we are today with cell phones.

00:15:55.000 No, no.

00:15:56.000 We've been rocked like multiple times.

00:15:59.000 Many, many times.

00:16:00.000 And there's real solid evidence.

00:16:02.000 The Antarctica one, how old do they think that is?

00:16:05.000 I don't recall on that.

00:16:06.000 I have to double check that.

00:16:07.000 I'd have to do a Google, Jamie.

00:16:09.000 So, researchers have discovered a crater 1.5 kilometers beneath the Antarctica ice crust, 482 kilometers in diameter.

00:16:18.000 482 kilometers in diameter. 0.99

00:16:20.000 Holy shit! 0.98

00:16:22.000 Probably dates back to a meteorite impact 250 million years ago. 0.99

00:16:27.000 Wow.

00:16:28.000 Okay, so that's an old one.

00:16:29.000 It's like an order of magnitude bigger than anything related, even with the younger...

00:16:33.000 I mean, that's a...

00:16:34.000 Bigger than the dinosaur one, right?

00:16:35.000 Yeah, that's like a 99 point whatever percent extinction event.

00:16:39.000 So it just keeps happening.

00:16:41.000 The Earth just...

00:16:42.000 Over millions and millions of years and thousands of years that humans have been around, the Earth just keeps getting whacked.

00:16:48.000 The evidence is so overwhelming.

00:16:50.000 And say, going back to the younger driest period of time, there's evidence...

00:16:53.000 When you say get whacked...

00:16:55.000 More than 30% of all landmass at that time was charred, burned.

00:16:59.000 They claim that it's more fires than existed in the time of the dinosaurs.

00:17:02.000 Now, I don't know if—that's an article I read on Science Alert.

00:17:05.000 I don't know if they can truly prove that, but if nothing else, 30% of all landmass existing today was burned and scorched to death at that period of time.

00:17:14.000 That, like, helps people to wrap their heads around, like, the world was on fire.

00:17:17.000 Yeah, that's the younger, driest, Matt.

00:17:20.000 They estimate as part of the burning, because there was floods and fire, and this correlates to a lot of origin myths from cultures all around the world.

00:17:28.000 But yeah, 10% of the biomass, I think, is the 9% to 10%, which is an inconceivable number.

00:17:33.000 That's how much of the world was burnt, and that's now embedded in this black... 0.99

00:17:37.000 10% of the biomass.

00:17:39.000 It's so crazy that there's literally a dark line...

00:17:43.000 Yeah, in the ground. 0.98

00:17:44.000 ...in the ground that shows where everything was on fire for a long fucking time. 0.99

00:17:48.000 It's crazy. 0.95

00:17:50.000 We barely survived it.

00:17:51.000 We now have a correlation of...

00:17:54.000 Not only population reduction, but a significant drop in genetic diversity as a result.

00:18:01.000 It's tied to the Younger Dryas.

00:18:02.000 There's been a few good studies recently done at that.

00:18:04.000 So we were one of the megafauna, the 50% of megafauna at the time that actually survived and got through that event.

00:18:11.000 How do they think people survived?

00:18:12.000 Is there any speculation?

00:18:15.000 And where did we survive?

00:18:16.000 Where was the good spot?

00:18:18.000 I think caves.

00:18:19.000 I think a lot of it would have been underground.

00:18:22.000 They may have even known.

00:18:23.000 I think there's some evidence to suggest that some of these, like Derinkuyu in Turkey, in the Cappadocia region, could host tens of thousands of people.

00:18:33.000 There's massive labyrinths all over Egypt beneath Saqqara.

00:18:36.000 There's miles and miles of tunnels and catacombs.

00:18:38.000 I've been down into a bunch of them.

00:18:41.000 And even when you look at sites like Gobekli Tepe, there's been some interpretations of the artwork on that site that seems to indicate a cosmic calendar.

00:18:49.000 They're almost marking that date.

00:18:50.000 We know that the ancients were watching the sky.

00:18:53.000 They were concerned about it.

00:18:55.000 And comet mythology is a fantastic topic for Randall.

00:18:58.000 I talked with him about this quite a bit.

00:19:00.000 It wasn't seen as a pretty thing in the sky.

00:19:02.000 It was the harbinger of doom.

00:19:04.000 Comets and...

00:19:06.000 All those types of things were just seen as really bad things that they were preparing for.

00:19:10.000 But I think we survived partly because of diversity and being spread out all around the world.

00:19:15.000 There were parts of the world that weren't as badly touched, like Australia, for example.

00:19:19.000 That whole continent wasn't as badly affected as, say, the Northern Hemisphere was from the Younger Dryas.

00:19:24.000 But also caves, 100% caves and sheltered caves, those big cities that could take tens of thousands of people underground.

00:19:32.000 Hmm.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:33.000 Something wild that it's popped back up in my head, speaking of flooding and this 11,000-year timeframe, going back to the Rishat structure, there's a study that I came across that ties into the video that we were just mentioning, that off the west coast of Sahara Africa, right in front of the Rishat structure, there is an underwater seafloor slide dated at approximately 11,000 years ago,

00:19:53.000 and keyword approximately, the very symbol is in there.

00:19:55.000 So they're not entirely sure the date, but in that timeframe.

00:19:58.000 And this sediment...

00:19:59.000 Looks like in the shape that was blasted from a flood of water coming out of the Sahara, just based on the nature of the shape of it, that's more than 200 miles wide and maybe 130, 140, 150 miles from north to south.

00:20:13.000 And it's layered sentiment that is 2,000 meters, excuse me, more than a mile deep, and it's layered.

00:20:20.000 This right here.

00:20:21.000 So, one, it's corresponding evidence that a massive force of water may have blown out of the Sahara.

00:20:27.000 And the one reason why this is so significant is besides the fact that it indicates a possible flood of 11,000 years ago.

00:20:33.000 But if there was any remnants of Atlantis, if the Rishat structure was the location, this is where you would want to go looking.

00:20:41.000 I mean, it's, again, layered sentiment more than a mile deep.

00:20:49.000 Wow.

00:20:50.000 Yeah.

00:20:50.000 Just to put this into perspective, from going from east to west, based on this 200 mile, the widest point of the Florida Peninsula is 150 miles.

00:21:01.000 Like, this is more than 50 miles wider than the entire state of Florida panhandle.

00:21:06.000 I don't know.

00:21:07.000 I mean, it's the same distance from New York City to...

00:21:10.000 Where do I have that in?

00:21:12.000 D.C., excuse me.

00:21:14.000 So, like, this is literally evidence of a catastrophic flood.

00:21:17.000 That's more than just a seafloor slide.

00:21:19.000 Something bulldozed.

00:21:20.000 And when you look at these fluvial erosions, to anyone that's looking at this right now, signature traits of...

00:21:27.000 Catastrophic water erosion.

00:21:28.000 And it looks exactly like they teach in school when it comes to water striations, whether it's from glaciers or from water.

00:21:34.000 These are signature traits of water.

00:21:36.000 This is not wind.

00:21:37.000 And the fact that all these areas of white blemishes, say in the wrist shot, are confirmed salt. 0.78

00:21:42.000 There's numerous studies.

00:21:44.000 I mean, for example, there is a...

00:21:46.000 Treaties from 1851 from England and Mauritania that list a few things.

00:21:52.000 It talks about, one, that abundance of gold.

00:21:54.000 It lists that—well, actually, let me back up—salt.

00:21:57.000 They used to export gold out of Mauritania to Europe, and that's one of the locations.

00:22:02.000 And also, gold, it said that prior to the gold rush of North America back in the 1800s, Europe got most of their gold supply from Mauritania as well.

00:22:15.000 Which is an interesting point, because if that was a site of Atlantis, which was said to be so rich in gold, what an interesting similarity.

00:22:21.000 Go back to that image again, please, Jamie.

00:22:24.000 What's really fascinating, too, is the description of Atlantis of having that opening to the south, and then you see this clear pathway.

00:22:34.000 To the south.

00:22:35.000 Yep.

00:22:36.000 Everything lines up.

00:22:37.000 The shape of Atlantis, like the concentric circles, the amount of them, earth to water, the way the representation of it as described, the mountains to the north, like everything lines up.

00:22:51.000 And not only that, all that salt is all...

00:22:53.000 If people play around with this on Google Earth, you can check the elevation by using your mouse.

00:22:57.000 All the areas with all the most significant amounts of salt...

00:23:00.000 Happened to be at the lowest elevations, which I think is corresponding evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there.

00:23:07.000 And as you see here, you can see it rips through the entire Sahara.

00:23:10.000 And if you look at their study that's showing the Trans-Saharan Seaway of 56 to 66 million years ago, it shows that the water blasted to the south, but it does not show it going west over the Rishat.

00:23:23.000 So I feel like there was some other event, something separate that happened.

00:23:27.000 And I mean, yeah, these photos are spectacular.

00:23:30.000 The photos are spectacular, but could you zoom out again, please, Jamie?

00:23:33.000 The thing that's crazy is how clearly it looks like water came over that and washed back.

00:23:39.000 Look at the left side of that image.

00:23:42.000 It looks so clearly like massive amounts of water came over there and then pulled back.

00:23:49.000 Like, look at the way it's eroded.

00:23:51.000 Do you want something that's going to blow your mind?

00:23:53.000 So this area right here.

00:23:55.000 Scroll in, Jamie, and you'll see we discussed this last time as being water ripples.

00:23:59.000 So remember when Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson were on your show a few years ago, and they were showing you the area of the Missoula floodplains in Montana and Washington?

00:24:09.000 West Bar.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:10.000 God, look, it's so clear!

00:24:12.000 And so what's interesting is that, so I measured these, and they might be some of the slides in there.

00:24:16.000 I'm not totally sure, but yeah, that's white salt.

00:24:19.000 This picture's got great.

00:24:21.000 Isn't it amazing?

00:24:25.000 God, it's amazing.

00:24:26.000 You can keep digging in like that.

00:24:28.000 So these ripples, when you pan out, so the ones that Randall had showed you, those were something like closer to 300 feet apart and 50 feet high.

00:24:37.000 I've measured these more than 3,000 feet to 6,600 feet in between each ripple and more than 200 feet high.

00:24:44.000 So if these are indeed caused from ripples like you see on the beach from catastrophic flooding, this is a force of water that is...

00:24:54.000 Truly, it goes beyond the mind's comprehension.

00:24:56.000 It's something that I don't think we could even understand.

00:24:59.000 But if you pan out, people have to understand that this is a couple hundred miles from one side to the other.

00:25:05.000 And so this would have been a force of floodwater that...

00:25:08.000 I think goes beyond anything we could have thought possible.

00:25:11.000 I think this is why scientists have somehow missed it because I don't know how to say this, but no one else seems to be talking about this.

00:25:16.000 Now, the structure that you think is Atlantis, how tall are those concentric rings?

00:25:21.000 So it is the entire structure from one side to the other is nearly 30 miles, but the interior structure of the concentric circles is 16 miles.

00:25:29.000 And this is one argument that's made against it, is that the size dimensions that Plato had gave Are significantly smaller.

00:25:38.000 And so – but I would make two arguments on this.

00:25:42.000 One, this is a 12,000-year-old story, and I would argue that it is impossible for over 12,000 years to carry down precise translations because of – How off is it from the translations?

00:25:55.000 Oh, significantly.

00:25:56.000 The entire site would be a small circle inside the middle of the circle.

00:26:00.000 But here's the reason why I think those dimensions are wrong, is because Atlantis was said to be busy all day and all night.

00:26:07.000 And I would compare that to any modern city today, which you could argue would be a population within the millions.

00:26:14.000 It was as small as Plato described.

00:26:16.000 It wouldn't be feasible to suggest that millions of people would have lived there.

00:26:19.000 And I'll make one other little point, which is that because many people posit that it could be in the Atlantic Ocean, like at the Azores, and I think that's a phenomenal argument for that.

00:26:28.000 But if I was to defend the Rishat, or I would say that if this was a place that was spoken from languages of all over and was said to be a trading hub, I don't think that it would be as feasible to suggest that Atlantis would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as opposed to West Africa,

00:26:44.000 which was green at the time, this whole area was connected by a network of rivers, which I should have some slides in there.

00:26:49.000 Close to the coast.

00:26:50.000 You could get boats in there.

00:26:51.000 You wouldn't have to venture out in the middle of the ocean, as you described in your video.

00:26:55.000 You make a very, very compelling argument.

00:26:57.000 My question, though, how tall are those circles?

00:27:00.000 How high do those things go?

00:27:02.000 I want to say 60 feet from, or 60, actually, no, no, excuse me.

00:27:06.000 I want to say 100 feet at some of the highest points down to the salt.

00:27:09.000 I'd have to remeasure, but if, Jamie, if you go over it.

00:27:11.000 Did you go there personally?

00:27:12.000 No.

00:27:13.000 So I have, in fact, let me give them a shout out.

00:27:15.000 Josh Sigurdsson and David Stig Hansen went there individually.

00:27:19.000 These are some intrepid fellows.

00:27:21.000 It is a gutsy trip.

00:27:23.000 Josh almost died because you have to drive through a minefield to go there.

00:27:25.000 He saw actual skeletons.

00:27:27.000 He had like an AK pointed at his head.

00:27:29.000 It's a wild house place. 1.00

00:27:31.000 You have to drive through a fucking minefield to get there? 1.00

00:27:34.000 He had balls of steel. 1.00

00:27:36.000 He's an intrepid fellow.

00:27:37.000 Same with David.

00:27:38.000 And to be honest, I'd rather fly over it.

00:27:42.000 If someone wants to fly me over it, I'd love to get some brave pictures.

00:27:45.000 What if they shoot at the helicopter? 1.00

00:27:47.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:27:48.000 I don't want to trash Mauritania because I've heard from people who have gone there, they've met the nicest people they've ever met in their lives. 1.00

00:27:53.000 As long as they're not shooting you, they're nice.

00:27:54.000 But it's worth mentioning that...

00:27:56.000 I know.

00:27:57.000 Well, there's all the gold there, too.

00:27:58.000 I would imagine they would want to protect that gold.

00:28:00.000 Which is why they won't let you do ground radar here.

00:28:02.000 So Josh brought up ground radar equipment and they threatened imprisonment.

00:28:05.000 And apparently this is one of those countries where they will cut off your fingers if you get caught stealing potentially.

00:28:11.000 And this is a country that it wasn't until the 80s as well as additional law legislation in like 2007 to abolish slavery.

00:28:19.000 But apparently it's not being enforced.

00:28:21.000 So there are still slaves in Mauritania.

00:28:24.000 So I'm like, when I hear details like this, it makes me just not feel like driving out there.

00:28:28.000 Do they know that people think that's Atlantis?

00:28:30.000 Are they aware of this?

00:28:31.000 It's growing.

00:28:32.000 It's growing.

00:28:33.000 Yeah, people are now talking about it.

00:28:34.000 People are venturing out there.

00:28:36.000 They have this on their currency, the picture of the wrist shot.

00:28:40.000 Really?

00:28:41.000 Yeah, well, just the whole term of Atlantis, too.

00:28:43.000 We do tend to focus on it being like a single city, a single thing.

00:28:47.000 And I was chatting with Randall about this just last night.

00:28:51.000 And he was saying there were colonies, there were outposts.

00:28:54.000 They would have had a global kind of outpost all around the world.

00:28:57.000 So it's possible, even likely, that Atlantis...

00:29:03.000 It's almost a term now that, you know, you say Atlantis, it gets this connotation to it.

00:29:08.000 It's almost a pseudo-archaeological term.

00:29:10.000 But we thought that about Troy as well.

00:29:13.000 We did.

00:29:13.000 Troy's another one.

00:29:14.000 Troy's one until, what year was Troy actually physically discovered?

00:29:20.000 1890?

00:29:20.000 18-something like that?

00:29:21.000 Late 1890s, I want to say.

00:29:23.000 So up until that moment, they thought that Troy was just a myth.

00:29:26.000 Fantasy.

00:29:26.000 Yeah, it was just fantasy.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, but people used to take Atlantis a lot more seriously.

00:29:31.000 Something happened.

00:29:32.000 In the 1960s, there was a lot of Legitimate scientific work being done in the Azores region looking at the possibility of subversion and can there be large parts of land that sink?

00:29:43.000 And then something happened where it's like the establishment just turned on it and it became this pseudo-term and anyone who mentioned it was kind of dismissed and shaken off in the same way that they're treating guys like Hancock with his ancient Apocalypse series are now.

00:29:58.000 I don't know specifically what happened but it used to be taken a lot more seriously and there's certainly a lot of Evidence coming from prior cultures that something did exist.

00:30:07.000 And I think now we've got a massive body of evidence that suggests our history as a species and as a civilization goes way back much further than what we've thought about as being our own history since, you know, I mean, right up until 2006, we pretty much thought, nope, the last 6,000 years,

00:30:23.000 that's when we stopped being cavemen and became, you know, started building cities and organized societies and things like that.

00:30:28.000 And that's...

00:30:28.000 The gatekeepers of academia, you know, just the stuff that you two gentlemen put on your YouTube pages should open up fields of inquiry.

00:30:38.000 People should be reaching out to you.

00:30:41.000 They should be having you speak at universities.

00:30:43.000 They should be watching your videos.

00:30:46.000 They should be like, oh, my God.

00:30:47.000 Like, look at all this actual evidence.

00:30:50.000 Not speculation, not, like, look, you're looking at physical geological evidence, physical erosion evidence, and then all the stuff with the structure that lines up exactly with the stories of Atlantis. 0.97

00:31:05.000 It's fucking wild! 0.68

00:31:07.000 It's one of these things, like, I'm a very open-minded person. 0.99

00:31:09.000 I'm not, I can't say, like, with 100% certainty, I mean, anything's possible.

00:31:13.000 Of course.

00:31:13.000 But I'm like, there's so many similarities that if nothing else, it shouldn't be ignored.

00:31:17.000 The off the West Coast should be drilled and run with some LIDAR to see what's going on underneath that sediment.

00:31:24.000 And not only that, let's just pretend, okay, Atlantis never existed.

00:31:27.000 The Rishat's not it. 0.72

00:31:29.000 Well, then let's focus in then on why is this catastrophic water erosion going through the Sahara?

00:31:35.000 Sixty million years more recently than it was supposed to.

00:31:38.000 There's another image in there, Jamie, that shows where the Trans-Saharan Seaway went, and it does not reflect it going west over the Western Sahara.

00:31:45.000 So I'm like, in the context of climate science, I'm like, this should be discussed.

00:31:49.000 Why is nobody talking about the Sahara was green potentially 4,500 years ago, which is, by the way, the same alleged date as the Great Pyramid's construction in Giza, 4,500 years ago.

00:31:59.000 So check this out.

00:32:01.000 As you can see, it does not annotate the water erosion going west over the Rishat.

00:32:07.000 But as we just showed, it clearly did.

00:32:09.000 And this was based on a 20-year study.

00:32:11.000 Wonderful people did this.

00:32:12.000 I don't know.

00:32:13.000 I have no explanation for why they don't annotate it going west.

00:32:16.000 But it clearly did.

00:32:17.000 And not only that, it went east of Niger along Chad, which I showed you the water erosion along the volcano.

00:32:25.000 So what I'm suggesting is that either something else separate happened or they just missed something because Again, the Sahara is a big place and they can only search so many places.

00:32:32.000 When they did this, did they have the sort of satellite imagery that are available today?

00:32:37.000 Well, I can't say no.

00:32:38.000 Satellites were certainly around.

00:32:39.000 What year was this?

00:32:40.000 This is like, I want to say 2007 or something.

00:32:43.000 I could be wrong on that.

00:32:44.000 I've got to double check that.

00:32:45.000 I would have said a lot.

00:32:47.000 Yeah.

00:32:47.000 But I know that they were doing some boots on the ground stuff.

00:32:50.000 Maybe they just didn't think to look at that particular area as being – maybe they had like a preconceived notion.

00:32:57.000 That's what I suspect.

00:32:58.000 I don't think they're intentionally not looking at it.

00:33:01.000 But I feel like when it comes to – you're mentioning that we should be speaking at universities.

00:33:06.000 You know, Joe, the first thing they ever say is like – Oh, Jimmy, he was a fraud investigator for the corporate world.

00:33:11.000 Ben has an awesome story, too, by the way, coming out of the corporate world.

00:33:15.000 We could get into that.

00:33:18.000 We'll get into that.

00:33:20.000 So that's the immediately dismiss.

00:33:22.000 And I want to make an interesting point, which is that— It's so crazy that they're gatekeepers.

00:33:26.000 The egocentric, ego-minded gatekeepers.

00:33:30.000 They don't want anyone to discover something they haven't noticed.

00:33:34.000 100%.

00:33:35.000 It is totally what they do.

00:33:37.000 It's almost unbelievable.

00:33:38.000 Coming as an outsider to this, I couldn't be more surprised to see their reactions to anything alternative because it's like, wait a second.

00:33:45.000 The success of the things that we present, the success of Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse show, this, any true enthusiast of ancient history or geology, This is a win-win for everybody because it's gaining interest in these unanswered questions and everybody would stand to gain from it.

00:34:02.000 Like archaeologists, if it was up to me, they'd be out there digging right now because of this stuff.

00:34:06.000 Yeah, but the problem is they have already made these assertions.

00:34:09.000 They've already published papers.

00:34:11.000 They've already written books. 0.99

00:34:12.000 And those books would now be disproven and they would look foolish. 0.99

00:34:16.000 And they do not want to look foolish. 0.99

00:34:18.000 No. 0.98

00:34:18.000 They're throwing everything at ancient apocalypse. 0.98

00:34:22.000 They really are.

00:34:23.000 Every word in the book.

00:34:24.000 Racism.

00:34:25.000 White supremacy.

00:34:27.000 How is it white supremacy to say that people who lived 12,000 years ago, we have zero idea what color they were.

00:34:34.000 We have zero idea what they looked like.

00:34:36.000 We're literally talking about human beings, fellow human beings, that created some unbelievably magnificent structures that exist today.

00:34:47.000 To call that, or to somehow or another connect that to racism, How?

00:34:52.000 It's ad hominem.

00:34:53.000 The only reason why you would do this, it's one of two things.

00:34:55.000 I've listened to their arguments, and it's either one of two—I'm just going to say it.

00:34:58.000 I'll be bold. 0.99

00:34:59.000 They're either really stupid to associate that with racism, or they're doing exactly what I see going for anyone that says something counter to a narrative, which is we need to cancel this person, shut them up. 1.00

00:35:10.000 Yes. 0.99

00:35:10.000 And I had a friend reach out to me when this show came out and they Googled, I don't even want to say this, but it has to be said. 0.99

00:35:16.000 They Googled Graham Hancock and there's articles at the top linking him to white supremacy.

00:35:20.000 I'm like, this is, in my mind, that's why they do it.

00:35:22.000 Because they want to just shout some doubt on you. 1.00

00:35:24.000 So dumb. 0.99

00:35:24.000 It's trying to generate outrage without addressing the things that he says. 0.99

00:35:28.000 Right.

00:35:28.000 And addressing his specific arguments.

00:35:30.000 It's so dumb. 1.00

00:35:30.000 He's married to an Indian woman. 1.00

00:35:31.000 Everything about it is fucking dumb. 1.00

00:35:33.000 And he's one of the- He's the nicest guy in the world. 1.00

00:35:35.000 I know Graham pretty well too.

00:35:37.000 Yeah, he is.

00:35:37.000 He's one of the most considerate people you ever meet.

00:35:39.000 He's so nice, and he's just so inquisitive, and he's been so courageous his entire career.

00:35:45.000 And the more time goes on, the more he's validated.

00:35:48.000 It's true, really?

00:35:49.000 Yes.

00:35:49.000 I mean, you go back to Fingerprints of the Gods.

00:35:51.000 I read about that in the 90s.

00:35:53.000 I read that book in the 90s, and that's when I got really into his stuff.

00:35:56.000 And back then, if you brought it up, people would go, oh, he's a kook.

00:35:59.000 But as the internet came about, and as more and more information became available, and then the discovery of Gobekli Tepe, Just threw the whole thing on its head.

00:36:08.000 I would argue he's done more for bringing the topic of the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations and cataclysms than arguably anyone else on Earth.

00:36:21.000 Because of him, I saw him on your show.

00:36:22.000 I go down the rabbit hole and start looking.

00:36:24.000 I start talking about these things.

00:36:25.000 So it's like everyone should be saying thank you to Graham Hancock.

00:36:28.000 They're just so scared that he's going to make them look like fools because they wrote these books when they had limited access to information and they made these very, like, direct assertions.

00:36:42.000 Like, this is what happened and they're wrong. 0.77

00:36:45.000 It's a position of power.

00:36:46.000 It's archaeology not being a hard science that does hypothesis experiment result like you can do in things like chemistry, for example.

00:36:55.000 These guys, they rise to their positions of powers in academia, they become their whole personal, I think, sense of self is somehow tied up around this position as an expert in this story.

00:37:06.000 And that's all it is.

00:37:08.000 Ultimately, we're looking at, we're trying to interpret...

00:37:10.000 I think?

00:37:26.000 And when new evidence comes along that I think threatens that, that's why you get in some way such a strong reaction because you're almost threatening the person.

00:37:33.000 I think they take it that way.

00:37:34.000 And it's unfortunate.

00:37:36.000 I'm sure you've seen the original discussion that Graham had with Dr. Robert Schock when they brought the evidence of the water erosion to the Sphinx.

00:37:48.000 And then that archaeologist is like laughing, but like not really laughing.

00:37:54.000 It's funny.

00:37:54.000 What evidence do we have of an ancient civilization 11,000 years ago?

00:37:59.000 Well, now we have a lot, fuckface. 0.97

00:38:01.000 There's a lot. 0.96

00:38:03.000 Gobekli Tepe's massive, and then there's another structure that's close to Gobekli Tepe.

00:38:07.000 Karahan Tepe.

00:38:08.000 In fact, they're discovering many of them now.

00:38:10.000 It's not only that.

00:38:11.000 The whole story, as we're told it in dynastic Egypt, just doesn't make sense from a number of different perspectives.

00:38:16.000 It's as if they...

00:38:17.000 Arose out of nowhere, like perfect, and then degraded over time.

00:38:21.000 When you think about it, things like the pyramids, I mean, those are the first pyramids ever made.

00:38:26.000 Like these massive megalithic stone pyramids that have all of these different elements of sacred geometry and precision and all these different aspects of incredible engineering built into them.

00:38:35.000 That's apparently what they did first.

00:38:37.000 They kept building pyramids after that time. 0.99

00:38:40.000 And they sucked. 1.00

00:38:40.000 They sucked. 1.00

00:38:41.000 Well, they're adobe. 1.00

00:38:42.000 They're made from mud brick.

00:38:42.000 Well, they don't really know.

00:38:45.000 What do you got here, Jeremy?

00:38:46.000 It's their carriage.

00:38:46.000 Tepe.

00:38:47.000 Carahan Tepe?

00:38:48.000 Yeah.

00:38:48.000 I'm going to be there in April.

00:38:49.000 Are you really?

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.000 Look at that face.

00:38:52.000 Jesus Christ.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, look at that face.

00:38:53.000 It's scary.

00:38:54.000 I don't want to...

00:38:55.000 It's...

00:38:55.000 Another video of yours that I watched today was a video that showed the similarities not just between pyramids, But between construction methods all over the world in Japan, I had no idea that they had made the sarcophagus covers in Japan that were exactly the same shape as the ones they made in Egypt.

00:39:21.000 And in a place – there is supposed to be zero connection between ancient Japan and ancient Egypt.

00:39:25.000 That's not supposed to exist.

00:39:26.000 And if you compare that sarcophagus work, it's like it looks uncannily similar.

00:39:32.000 Impossible.

00:39:32.000 Almost impossible that two people would come up with the same design.

00:39:36.000 Right.

00:39:36.000 Because it's like coming up with – You know, I don't know, I don't have a good, like, if someone like this lighter, if someone, I mean, this is an unusually shaped lighter, the way the top pops, if someone just coincidentally, without any internet,

00:39:52.000 came up with this on the other side of the planet, be like, how the fuck?

00:39:55.000 It's so oddly shaped, like the buttons in the same place, the lids in the same place, there's no way! 0.85

00:40:01.000 That's what it looks like to me.

00:40:02.000 And the fact that it took an enormous amount of effort to make and move and put it into place, because you're talking about incredibly heavy stone.

00:40:11.000 And hard stone.

00:40:12.000 That's the other people don't appreciate just how hard this igneous stone is that these things are made from.

00:40:16.000 Granite, granodiorite, cyanite.

00:40:19.000 These are harder than steel.

00:40:21.000 There's 6.57 on the Mohs scale.

00:40:24.000 It's incredible work.

00:40:26.000 And the fact that these similar construction methods existed in Peru, they existed in Egypt, they existed in Japan, and we don't know how old stone is.

00:40:36.000 That's what's really wacky.

00:40:38.000 When we talk about carbon dating, they're not carbon dating stone.

00:40:42.000 They really don't know. 0.98

00:40:43.000 So even when they go back to ancient Egypt and they say, oh, we date the pyramids construction to 2500 BC, it's a fucking guess. 0.98

00:40:51.000 That's what I think. 0.98

00:40:52.000 It's a guess.

00:40:53.000 It really is.

00:40:54.000 It has to be a guess.

00:40:55.000 It really can't be anything other than a gas.

00:40:57.000 They can measure organic matter.

00:41:00.000 They can measure stuff that's in between the stones.

00:41:02.000 But we have no idea when that was put there.

00:41:04.000 If something existed for tens of thousands of years before we're dating it, we really wouldn't know.

00:41:11.000 We would have evidence that these...

00:41:13.000 Of course people would still live there.

00:41:15.000 Of course people would still live around them.

00:41:17.000 And we would have evidence that those people left stuff behind that was a certain age.

00:41:22.000 But we have zero evidence as to how old those things are.

00:41:25.000 That's right.

00:41:25.000 And when I found that out, I was baffled.

00:41:27.000 Yeah.

00:41:28.000 Because I always thought they knew.

00:41:30.000 2500 BC. Rock solid.

00:41:31.000 This is it.

00:41:32.000 Well, they tie it to the guy, the king.

00:41:35.000 They know when Khufu moved. 0.99

00:41:36.000 And so they try and tie.

00:41:37.000 And literally with the Great Pyramid, very little evidence.

00:41:40.000 There's like this big statue of him that they found down in the Valley Temple, nowhere near it.

00:41:45.000 And then there's a glyph on the inside.

00:41:47.000 There's a lot of controversy around that.

00:41:49.000 But there are some of these artifacts they do for that reason because they date a lot of stuff based on the site that they found it.

00:41:57.000 So if there's organic material at the site that they found it, what's been, I've found it's kind of like a smoking gun piece in all of this, is all the vases.

00:42:05.000 So are you familiar with the incredible stone vases that they make in Egypt?

00:42:08.000 Please talk about them.

00:42:09.000 Yeah, so there is a collection of these things.

00:42:12.000 They're made from igneous stone.

00:42:14.000 And Jamie, I've got a few pictures of the vases in that vase directory.

00:42:19.000 What's interesting to me about these is that they're some of the earliest types of artifacts that we find.

00:42:25.000 They stretch back far into what we'd call pre-dynastic time, basically Mesolithic times.

00:42:29.000 Right back to even 15,000 years ago, there was a site called Toshka that was dug up.

00:42:35.000 It's underwater now, and it was a primitive burial.

00:42:38.000 There was a guy that was curled up in this burial site on the side...

00:42:43.000 Go back to that, Jamie, the one, the thin card one.

00:42:45.000 What's going on there?

00:42:46.000 So this is an example, and these vases display just astonishing aspects of precision and engineering.

00:42:52.000 So this is an example of just how thin this material is.

00:42:55.000 So it's igneous stone.

00:42:56.000 This might be porphyry or something like this.

00:42:59.000 A very, very hard stone, very hard to work.

00:43:01.000 But also brittle when it becomes thin.

00:43:03.000 You can see the giant crystal occlusions, the white marks in it.

00:43:06.000 This stuff becomes brittle, yet it's been worked down to this thinness because this one's been damaged and you can see how thin that interior wall is.

00:43:14.000 Petrie, Flinders Petrie is a great Egyptologist, the first guy to really start applying engineering principles from the industrial age to this stuff.

00:43:21.000 He found one, he talks about one in his work that was 1 40th of an inch thick.

00:43:25.000 Wow.

00:43:26.000 A 40th of an inch thick.

00:43:27.000 And the interesting thing about these vases, there's 50,000 plus of them were discovered beneath the Step Pyramid of Josa.

00:43:34.000 He collected them all up.

00:43:36.000 And even in the museum that's at Saqqara, they talk about, yeah, this is so, I've been down underneath the Step Pyramid.

00:43:41.000 This is a fragment of one of these vases that I found you can handle down there.

00:43:46.000 And even in the museum there, they talk about, well, he didn't have them made.

00:43:50.000 These were inherited objects from earlier times.

00:43:52.000 Like, they get the concept right.

00:43:54.000 And so these things stretch back way back into time.

00:43:57.000 There's pre-dynastic artifacts from pre-dynastic burials.

00:44:00.000 But there's always these sort of arguments, well, can you do this by hand?

00:44:03.000 Can you not...

00:44:04.000 And so recently, there's been some work done.

00:44:07.000 I've been working with a couple of guys.

00:44:08.000 The son of Christopher Dunn, who wrote some real seminal textbooks on ancient Egyptian technology, his son Alex and Nick Sierra, they're professional metrologists.

00:44:19.000 They work for Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis.

00:44:21.000 They make aerospace parts, turbine blades, things like that.

00:44:25.000 They've got their hands on a pre-gynastic Egyptian vase. 0.63

00:44:29.000 And for the first time, they've actually been able to scan this thing We're good to go.

00:45:00.000 They're not engineers.

00:45:01.000 They're not particularly interested in sort of how things were manufactured.

00:45:05.000 So what they've done is they've taken this and put this in a machine, and it's a structured light scanner, so it creates like a point cloud of different lights, and then you match a geometric shape to it, be that like a flat plane, a cylinder, a sphere, a cone, and then you can perform sort of geometric calculations on it and define things like precision.

00:45:24.000 So if you go back to that surface A, the vase lip, right?

00:45:28.000 So this is You can see down on the bottom that they've created a point cloud of the top of this lip, so the flatness, and they've called this Surface A. It's comprised of 3,813 points, and it's within three thousandths of an inch of being basically perfectly flat.

00:45:45.000 Wow.

00:45:46.000 Wow.

00:45:46.000 Three thousandths of an inch.

00:45:48.000 Three thousandths of an inch.

00:45:49.000 And this is over who knows how many thousands of years of erosion and sand and dust and wind.

00:45:55.000 Exactly.

00:45:56.000 It's at least 5,000 years.

00:45:58.000 I suspect this could be far older than that.

00:46:00.000 Now, what's interesting, once you start doing this, and if you go to the next one, Jamie...

00:46:05.000 Now we're looking at the lip.

00:46:07.000 So you take a cylinder and you basically take 10,000 points plus and you match the inside, the mouth of the vase to a cylinder.

00:46:15.000 And you can now measure that against the other surface.

00:46:19.000 So if you think of the top of it as being like the x-axis, this is now your y-axis.

00:46:23.000 So that first symbol here, the perpendicular symbol, what it's showing is that how perpendicular is this cylinder on its axis relative to the top of the vase, the surface A that's on the top, within one thousandth of an inch.

00:46:37.000 One thousandth?

00:46:38.000 So it's perfectly perpendicular to within one thousandth of an inch of the top of the vase.

00:46:44.000 And then the second reading here shows you how perfectly, what's the circular error, like what's the circularity of it within thirteen thousandths of an inch of being perfectly circular.

00:46:53.000 How are you going to do that by hand?

00:46:54.000 Well, you can't.

00:46:56.000 This is the thing.

00:46:57.000 You literally can't?

00:46:59.000 No.

00:47:01.000 If you rub two surfaces together, you can make them flat.

00:47:05.000 But when you start looking at the real teller in precision and in these discussions about ancient engineering...

00:47:13.000 It's an easy thing to understand when we talk about 90 degree turns and flat surfaces.

00:47:17.000 But what gets really interesting is when you start talking about one surface in relation to another.

00:47:22.000 And remember these objects like the big boxes in the Serapium that weigh like 70 tons.

00:47:26.000 You've got surfaces 11 feet apart.

00:47:29.000 It's the relativity of one surface to another.

00:47:31.000 So how flat, how straight is this in relationship to this surface?

00:47:35.000 And with this vase...

00:47:37.000 The incredible thing about it is that as you go down it, there's another slide if you look at the...

00:47:43.000 Go back to the image.

00:47:43.000 Yeah.

00:47:44.000 And you should mention how much this equipment costs real quick.

00:47:47.000 Well, yeah, so these structured light scanners are like $250,000.

00:47:50.000 They're professional.

00:47:51.000 This is absolutely a tool that gets used in aerospace quite a bit.

00:47:55.000 So no one's ever really done this type of work.

00:47:59.000 This, and it does, there's nothing like this approaching.

00:48:03.000 You can't do this with handwork, this type of thing.

00:48:04.000 But if you skip to the next one, so now it's, this is like, this is a great example.

00:48:10.000 So what you're doing here is measuring the circularity.

00:48:12.000 Go to the next one, because the lug handles are kind of the really important part of this.

00:48:16.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:48:17.000 So, for one thing, it's showing you that, okay, they solved the problem of carving granite.

00:48:21.000 It's made from granite.

00:48:21.000 It's actually made from the same rose granite that the box in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid is.

00:48:26.000 Not pottery, just in case someone doesn't understand what this is.

00:48:29.000 This isn't pottery.

00:48:29.000 People often call it pottery.

00:48:31.000 Can I pause real quick?

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 When you talk about these measurements, what kind of measurements can be achieved through ceramic pottery?

00:48:38.000 Well, ceramic pottery...

00:48:40.000 If you're spinning on a wheel, I'm not even sure.

00:48:42.000 You might be able to get down to tenths of an inch or half.

00:48:47.000 But you would never get to a thousandths.

00:48:48.000 Not to a thousandth, no.

00:48:49.000 And this is carved.

00:48:51.000 So this is carved out of stone.

00:48:52.000 Right.

00:48:53.000 Hard stone.

00:48:53.000 But I'm just saying, if you think about a pottery wheel spinning, and you think about the precision involved in that, and you look at it, it's beautiful, it seems symmetrical, but nothing compared to this kind of symmetry.

00:49:05.000 So to give you an example, so a thousandth of an inch, if you take a sheet of printer paper like this, that's about seven and a half thousandths thick. 0.97

00:49:13.000 Holy shit. 0.96

00:49:14.000 A human hair, two to three thousandths of an inch. 0.98

00:49:17.000 So it's...

00:49:18.000 Half the size of a human hair.

00:49:21.000 Of being perfect.

00:49:22.000 Of being perfect.

00:49:23.000 Yes. 1.00

00:49:24.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:49:25.000 That's how precisely aligned the mouth of the vase is. 0.99

00:49:28.000 Now, again, we've carved this out of stone.

00:49:31.000 And remember, even the Egyptologists don't say that they're not spun, they're not cast and created.

00:49:37.000 They say that the Egyptians used very primitive tools to make these pounding stones.

00:49:42.000 Chisels, flint chisels.

00:49:44.000 What did they say in the face of this overwhelming data?

00:49:47.000 They don't address it.

00:49:48.000 Generally, they don't address the evidence for precision.

00:49:51.000 Should hold them down.

00:49:52.000 Huh?

00:49:52.000 Should hold them down.

00:49:54.000 Literally grab them and go, tell me what the fuck is going on. 0.96

00:49:58.000 This work should do a bit of that. 0.99

00:50:00.000 How many of these are there?

00:50:03.000 I mean, it's not just one perfect one that you're talking about.

00:50:06.000 No.

00:50:06.000 Oh, no.

00:50:06.000 This is the only one we've managed to scan so far, and I would love to say that because you can't get your hands on these things.

00:50:14.000 In general, curators of Egyptology museums aren't interested in their manufacturing or engineering, and you don't get access to these vases to do it.

00:50:23.000 How could they not be interested in that?

00:50:26.000 I don't know.

00:50:27.000 It blows my mind.

00:50:28.000 So here's an example of another perfect—I'd love to scan this one.

00:50:31.000 It's one of my favorites.

00:50:32.000 You can see the symmetry inherent in the vase just in the fact that it's sitting on almost like an eggshell.

00:50:38.000 It's so perfect.

00:50:40.000 But what that study is showing and what that precision that's now been measured is showing that, okay, these were turned on a machine— Yeah.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 And shape the lug handles without turning it.

00:51:10.000 Now, in precision manufacturing, when you introduce another tool, that introduces error, even in our best processes today, and we just don't see that on this vase.

00:51:19.000 Those lug handles are within one thousandth of an inch of being perfectly aligned with those other surfaces of the vase.

00:51:26.000 It's that relativity of one section of the vase to another that means...

00:51:30.000 A, unquestionably not possible by hand, but B, this has been designed.

00:51:35.000 Like somebody made a model of this and they had a very sophisticated bit of machinery that must have carved it out.

00:51:42.000 And when we talk about this machinery, what's the speculation?

00:51:47.000 I mean, what do they think was used to carve these things?

00:51:51.000 Is there any markings on them that would indicate...

00:51:55.000 There is.

00:51:56.000 So this is a whole other discussion when you get into the depths of this work.

00:52:00.000 So when you look at ancient Egypt and the way it gets treated, they found tools.

00:52:04.000 And I should say it's very rare to find metal in the ancient world, right?

00:52:07.000 As soon as the Bronze Age starts, any metal, super precious, gets smelted down, turned into tools, weapons, things like that.

00:52:14.000 So it's very rare to find metal in general.

00:52:17.000 But across ancient Egypt, they found a bunch of tools.

00:52:19.000 So they found some copper chisels, bronze chisels, very primitive stuff, some wooden squares and plumb bobs, pounding stones, flint chisels.

00:52:28.000 So those are the tools that are found.

00:52:30.000 And in general, it's like the orthodoxy here and the academia will do everything they can to just hammer everything you find into this box and say, these are the tools we've found, so therefore everything's made by these tools.

00:52:44.000 Outside of that, there's a whole realm of what I would call machining marks that exist all over these sites in Egypt.

00:52:49.000 There's a place called Abusia that's been closed to the public for more than 100 years.

00:52:53.000 You have to get special permission to go there.

00:52:55.000 It's one of my favorite sites.

00:52:56.000 It's an Old Kingdom site, like Fifth Dynasty. 0.96

00:52:59.000 And all over this site, you find...

00:53:02.000 Amazing evidence for massive circular saws.

00:53:04.000 You see machining marks.

00:53:05.000 There are these tube drills.

00:53:07.000 I've got like an hour-long documentary just on the tube drills because there's been an argument going on for 150 years about the tube drills.

00:53:14.000 There is evidence for very sophisticated and powerful tools that is etched into these artifacts from the very earliest points in Egypt all over the place.

00:53:22.000 And a lot of these things, they disappear in later periods of time.

00:53:26.000 Go back to that image, Jamie, that you just had.

00:53:28.000 Look at that.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, so here's an example.

00:53:30.000 I didn't send you any of the machining marks, but I can show them to you at some point.

00:53:35.000 Yeah, so you find the tube drills are really interesting because it's a very thin tool and what they would do, they range in size from like a half inch up to nine inches.

00:53:44.000 And are those plugs that were removed from the stone?

00:53:47.000 Yeah.

00:53:47.000 So it's like a hollow tool that gets cut down and then you snap off the core.

00:53:52.000 And now Flinders Petrie, are you familiar with Petrie?

00:53:55.000 He was around like late 1800s, early 1900s.

00:53:58.000 I use his work a lot in the stuff that I do because he was the first guy...

00:54:03.000 To apply engineering principles to what we saw, which is kind of this meta point that messes with my head a bit in that it took our civilization up to the industrial age to even be able to put some of this stuff into context.

00:54:16.000 Like anyone else that looked at this stuff before we understood what machining was, what working in this stone was, what it looks like to cut stone with a circular saw.

00:54:24.000 You don't have the context to explain it.

00:54:26.000 So we had to get to the industrial age and develop sort of mass manufacture and engineering for us to even recognize what we're seeing here.

00:54:33.000 So he found there's a famous core.

00:54:37.000 It's called Petrie's Core No.

00:54:38.000 7. And it's a drill core from one of these holes.

00:54:40.000 It's in granite.

00:54:41.000 And it's located in the Petrie Museum.

00:54:43.000 And this museum is one that actually allows research appointments and you can analyze it.

00:54:47.000 And it's been analyzed several times.

00:54:49.000 There's been an argument that's been going on for literally 150 years about this call because what Petrie found and what Chris Dunn later verified, yeah, that's Petrie's call number seven, exactly, right there.

00:55:00.000 That, in fact, might even be Chris Dunn's photo.

00:55:04.000 That groove that goes around it, very obvious striations, right?

00:55:08.000 So it's been incontrovertibly shown that that's a spiral.

00:55:12.000 It's a spiral.

00:55:13.000 So it's not like just horizontal striations.

00:55:16.000 So if you can imagine the way we do it today, we have...

00:55:20.000 We're good to go.

00:55:34.000 From that and analysing that, you can determine a few things.

00:55:38.000 Things like how fast was this drill or how quickly was this drill penetrating the granite?

00:55:44.000 And Petrie and Dunn both analysed it and looked at it.

00:55:46.000 Well, it's about a 1 in 60 rate.

00:55:48.000 So for each, say, 60 inches of horizontal travel, it's going 1 inch into the stone.

00:55:54.000 So imagine that.

00:55:55.000 So if you take a spiral and straighten it out, and you just imagine, 60 inches this way, you're getting one inch of vertical travel.

00:56:03.000 That figure is 500 times greater than we can achieve today in terms of how fast it penetrates the granite.

00:56:12.000 500 times greater.

00:56:14.000 Now, it doesn't mean it cut quicker.

00:56:16.000 It could have been moving slowly, like it might have been turning slowly.

00:56:19.000 Right.

00:56:20.000 But it's penetrating the granite at a rate far greater than...

00:56:27.000 This is why it's so important to bring outside eyes into this, whether it's an aerospace engineer.

00:56:32.000 Going back to Troy, that was discovered by a businessman.

00:56:35.000 He wasn't an archaeologist.

00:56:36.000 That's something that most people don't know.

00:56:38.000 It's like when you bring an outside set of eyes with different sets of experiences, they'll pick up on things that others wouldn't.

00:56:44.000 Look at that image, all the spiral lines around that.

00:56:48.000 That's just amazing.

00:56:50.000 Yeah, so you can go there, and I intend to do this.

00:56:52.000 I might be in the UK this year, and I intend to do that.

00:56:54.000 It's called the cotton wrap test.

00:56:55.000 You can actually, under a little microscope, run a piece of cotton through that groove.

00:57:00.000 Now, they actually took it a step further, and they made a latex molding of it, right?

00:57:05.000 And they sent it to Chris Dunn.

00:57:07.000 The Petrie Museum did this.

00:57:09.000 And then he cut reference holes in it, cut it out, and then geometrically proved, basically, that this is a spiral groove.

00:57:15.000 It starts above the line and ends below the line.

00:57:17.000 He showed that that's it.

00:57:19.000 And what I would love to see happen is we could get this core and then scan it with that structured light scanner because it will put that stuff to bed no problem.

00:57:28.000 As far as I'm concerned, this is a spiral groove.

00:57:31.000 The case has been closed, but people still argue the point.

00:57:34.000 But it's 100% an indicator of some form of technology that's far away from Beyond the primitive stuff that we attribute to the dynastic Egyptians.

00:57:42.000 So to me, it's an indicator that...

00:57:45.000 And I don't think the dynastic Egyptians, they don't describe having this type of capability.

00:57:49.000 We've never found any tools from them that can do this type of thing.

00:57:52.000 So I think what we're looking at here with dynastic Egypt is a story.

00:57:56.000 It's a longer timeline.

00:57:57.000 It's a story of inheritance.

00:57:58.000 I think they inherited a lot of artifacts, potentially some architecture, potentially parts of the pyramids or that type of thing.

00:58:07.000 And then that's where their culture grew from that.

00:58:09.000 I mean, they themselves...

00:58:12.000 Describe their history as going back nearly 40,000 years.

00:58:15.000 They themselves look at them like a legacy culture.

00:58:19.000 This is in the Palermo stone.

00:58:21.000 It's in the Turin papyrus.

00:58:23.000 The priest Minato talks about it.

00:58:25.000 There's a lot of different...

00:58:26.000 Yeah, so that actual yellow image in the center, that's the latex core.

00:58:30.000 No, up to the right.

00:58:32.000 Yeah, that one.

00:58:32.000 That's the latex core, the latex molding of core number seven.

00:58:39.000 But the crazy thing is, too, this is the only core that's really been analysed.

00:58:43.000 Like, these things, they're all over the place.

00:58:45.000 Like, lots of museums have them.

00:58:47.000 I'd love to see a body of work be built up with true analysis of it, because...

00:58:50.000 Do they all have similar markings on them?

00:58:53.000 Well, yes.

00:58:54.000 And so you can see the holes on a lot of the sites that seem to have a very clear striation on them.

00:58:59.000 Some of the tubes, the actual drill cores, if you like, seem to have it that way.

00:59:03.000 There were other techniques used.

00:59:05.000 So the argument that...

00:59:07.000 How the mainstream archaeologists describe them solving this problem is they had a copper tube and they got sand and they put a rock on top of the tube and a bow drill and they just went back and forth with this.

00:59:19.000 And they did some experiments and look, grinding works ultimately because sand has little chunks of quartz and corundum in it, but It takes days and days and days to cut this much, and the markings and the machining doesn't look anything like what you see in the ancient examples.

00:59:35.000 And what's more, and what's kind of interesting here, is that the drill cores that they found, they're tapered.

00:59:40.000 So actually, they taper in like this.

00:59:43.000 The holes are straight, the cores are tapered.

00:59:45.000 So it means that the tool itself must have had almost like a cone shape.

00:59:51.000 Because some people say, well, those lines could have been created when the tool was removed.

00:59:55.000 And I'm like, no.

00:59:56.000 If you think about a tapered tool like this, the second you take any pressure off it, the whole tool removes itself from the surface of the stone.

01:00:03.000 So those marks can't be made by withdrawal of the tool.

01:00:08.000 It's 100% something going on.

01:00:10.000 And Petrie, back in the late 1800s, was scratching his head looking at this stuff, and he goes...

01:00:15.000 There must have been a weight of two or three tons on...

01:00:18.000 He sort of said it was a jeweled tube of bronze that did this.

01:00:23.000 But he was looking at it.

01:00:24.000 He knew a mystery when he saw it, and he couldn't explain it.

01:00:28.000 What's the speculation?

01:00:29.000 Like, what's the wildest speculation as to how these things were made?

01:00:33.000 Well, I'm pretty convinced that there was...

01:00:39.000 There's obviously saws and tube drills that are powered by something.

01:00:42.000 Now, I think it may not just be pure friction.

01:00:44.000 There might be ultrasonics involved.

01:00:47.000 One of the whole interesting things I like about this space is it's like...

01:00:50.000 And this has to do with even the energy stuff that Randall was talking about that he's coming to talk about as well.

01:00:55.000 There are realms of science that sit outside of our understanding.

01:00:59.000 We'll know more tomorrow in 10 years, in 1,000 years about science.

01:01:02.000 So I think when we look at some of these...

01:01:04.000 These things in the past, we should be open-minded enough to consider the possibility that some of the answers may sit outside of our current perspective.

01:01:11.000 Because, you know, our tendency is to look at it all and try and...

01:01:13.000 How would we do it?

01:01:14.000 Right.

01:01:15.000 Does anybody have wild speculation that you've entertained?

01:01:19.000 Yeah, I think there's...

01:01:20.000 Yeah, so one of the topics that often gets mentioned here is, like, ultrasonic drilling.

01:01:25.000 So having it resonate at a frequency that matches the native frequency of the rock and sort of separating the...

01:01:31.000 The rock more easily.

01:01:33.000 And that's a technology that we're developing.

01:01:34.000 We do some ultrasonic drilling like this today with jewelry and stuff.

01:01:38.000 You literally vibrate.

01:01:39.000 You find the correct vibration.

01:01:40.000 You can put a little star-shaped bit through a stone.

01:01:44.000 They do it in small work.

01:01:46.000 I've seen lots of examples.

01:01:47.000 And if you turn off the machine, it's like Excalibur stuck in the stone.

01:01:50.000 You can't get that thing out.

01:01:51.000 You need that vibration to go through it.

01:01:55.000 Plasma, you can even go as far as well.

01:01:57.000 They were softening the stone somehow with some molecular technology.

01:02:02.000 Speculation like that.

01:02:03.000 I would also say that some of these examples of technology and machining extend way up to these massive objects.

01:02:09.000 Like you have thousand ton single piece objects that also exhibit some of these signs of precision engineering.

01:02:16.000 So you might be talking about some truly giant machines that made them.

01:02:21.000 Yeah.

01:02:36.000 What do they say?

01:02:37.000 Well, you either just get a denial and they won't address it, and you get dismissed as just being ridiculous, pseudo-archaeology, fantasy theory type thing, or in the case of the tube drills, for example, they...

01:02:52.000 This is a funny story, because they will argue that, no, no, it's not spiral.

01:02:56.000 The grooves on that thing aren't spiral.

01:02:57.000 And in fact, in the textbook, this is what Chris Dunn found out, in the textbook where they do try to address the engineering with that tube drill, they took the photo of the tube drill and they just tilted it.

01:03:07.000 Just a little bit.

01:03:08.000 So when you look at it on the page, the lines look horizontal.

01:03:12.000 It's literally in the textbook. 0.97

01:03:14.000 Oh, they fucked with it in the textbook? 0.98

01:03:15.000 Why would they do that? 0.97

01:03:16.000 They altered the photo because if you admit that that tube has a spiral It has a spiral groove on it.

01:03:24.000 Now you're admitting that they're cutting into that granite at a ridiculous rate and you can't do any of that stuff with any of the primitive tools.

01:03:31.000 It has this flow-on effect that just knocks over this house of cards that says all this stuff was built with primitive technology and the whole concept of the ancient Egyptians is off.

01:03:41.000 I think the dynastic Egyptians, they used primitive tools. 1.00

01:03:44.000 I think they just inherited a lot of stuff that's potentially a lot older.

01:03:49.000 And the proofs in the puddings with these vases, for example, those things disappear from dynastic Egypt after the 3rd, 4th dynasty.

01:03:58.000 They don't make them anymore.

01:03:59.000 They make alabaster vases.

01:04:00.000 Is that a tool?

01:04:01.000 No.

01:04:01.000 What is that?

01:04:02.000 That's a fantastic example of what I would call an out-of-place artifact.

01:04:05.000 It's a hollow tube of lapis lazuli, which by the way, there's no quarries for lapis in Egypt.

01:04:11.000 The closest one's probably in Afghanistan.

01:04:14.000 It came from Gebbeltree, found in a pre-dynastic site.

01:04:16.000 It's hollowed.

01:04:17.000 It's perfectly made.

01:04:19.000 This is a very difficult thing to achieve, even with modern machinery.

01:04:22.000 And it's displayed in a cabinet next to what?

01:04:25.000 Bone and beads.

01:04:27.000 And what is that?

01:04:28.000 What is that supposed to be?

01:04:30.000 That tube?

01:04:31.000 It's something decorative, I assume.

01:04:33.000 It has a gold sheath, but it's a hollow tube.

01:04:35.000 I actually have pictures of it from the end on.

01:04:37.000 Not probably in the ones you have, Jamie, but...

01:04:39.000 Yeah, holotube.

01:04:40.000 It's an out-of-place artifact.

01:04:41.000 These things from hard stone, and these are more examples.

01:04:45.000 Rock crystal obsidian gourds and vases that show just perfect, just very high degrees of sophistication.

01:04:52.000 You should mention the statue faces in the cemetery.

01:04:56.000 How can you possibly do that by hand?

01:04:57.000 This will wow you.

01:04:58.000 Yeah, so there's a whole category of aspects to the discussion around ancient technology, right?

01:05:06.000 And I have to be kind of careful about what you say, oh, it is or it isn't, because in reality we really haven't analysed that many artefacts.

01:05:11.000 This vase work that we've done, first one we've actually taken a look at, that core, that's the first one and the only one that's really been analysed.

01:05:20.000 So I characterize something that's beyond the capabilities of these primitive ancient civilizations as being, okay, machining marks, tool marks, like these giant circulosaurs, tube drills.

01:05:31.000 Precision, and there's elements to precision, and one of those is symmetry.

01:05:35.000 And there's been some interesting studies done on the faces of giant statues.

01:05:38.000 One in particular is the face of Ramses.

01:05:41.000 There's a statue at Luxor.

01:05:42.000 They've since put their head back up.

01:05:44.000 It's up now 30 feet in the air on top of the statue, but it used to be on the ground.

01:05:48.000 And again, Chris Dunn was real seminal in this.

01:05:50.000 He went and took a photo, like bang on, like very front on, and then what he did was you take a copy of that photo, you make it 50% transparent, make the original 50% transparent, you take one and you flip it like on that horizontal axis, then you overlay them, right?

01:06:04.000 So you would see any, like the left to right, it's like overlaying the left side on the right side.

01:06:10.000 And it's perfect.

01:06:12.000 It's this face here, but I wonder if you can find the picture of Chris Dunn.

01:06:16.000 There's your video right there.

01:06:17.000 It's not that picture you're asking for.

01:06:20.000 No, it's similar.

01:06:22.000 But it shows other aspects of, well, the same radius of tool being used to cut.

01:06:26.000 But what's interesting about the symmetry, it's perfectly symmetrical, left to right.

01:06:29.000 Now, this isn't a feature in humans.

01:06:34.000 No human is perfectly similar.

01:06:36.000 Different nostrils, different eyeballs.

01:06:38.000 It's also not something that is done in artwork.

01:06:41.000 So, you know, people often say, well, Michelangelo, you know, he carved David.

01:06:45.000 It's a beautiful statue.

01:06:46.000 I've seen it.

01:06:46.000 It's incredible.

01:06:47.000 But it's human.

01:06:49.000 It's not symmetrical.

01:06:50.000 Symmetrical is you can't, again, you can't achieve that degree of symmetry just by eyeballing it and doing it by hand.

01:06:57.000 And it's also something that's not really human.

01:06:59.000 I think some of these statues almost look a bit inhuman because of that symmetry when they're up there and they're staring at you because it's mind-blowing to actually go and look at them.

01:07:08.000 But yeah, the other aspect is that the most efficient way to create that would be to say, well, if you were going to design it in a computer, it's like, well, I'm going to create half this face in a program and map it out, and then I'm just going to reverse it and say, well, that's the other half.

01:07:22.000 It's literally the most efficient way to do it.

01:07:25.000 And that's kind of what we're seeing in some of these statues.

01:07:27.000 Go back to that image, please.

01:07:29.000 It's virtual perfection.

01:07:31.000 And what's the explanation for this that modern archaeologists use?

01:07:37.000 They did it by hand, right?

01:07:38.000 They do it by hand.

01:07:39.000 That's literally what they say.

01:07:41.000 They're not engineers and construction experts at the end of the day.

01:07:45.000 That's the problem.

01:07:45.000 So it's very difficult to engage them on those specific details.

01:07:49.000 And I've taken many engineers, master stonemasons, stone carvers, construction guys, and a lot of them see it immediately.

01:07:58.000 People that understand what it takes to both work in this material and to work at the scale that some of this stuff is worked in.

01:08:05.000 They see it immediately, and they just dismiss the idea that this was done with literally pounding stones and copper chisels.

01:08:13.000 It's a funny thing.

01:08:13.000 They insist those things are how they were done, but not once.

01:08:17.000 No one ever has cut a single big slab of granite the size of a refrigerator in half.

01:08:22.000 We've never gone that far.

01:08:24.000 No one's demonstrated that, yep, you can take a copper bar and sand...

01:08:28.000 And grind your way through a refrigerator-sized block.

01:08:31.000 And you're saying copper because we think that they didn't have steel back then.

01:08:34.000 They didn't.

01:08:35.000 Well, yeah, I mean, they didn't, and not until later.

01:08:38.000 There's no evidence for it.

01:08:39.000 There's evidence for copper and bronze.

01:08:40.000 There's no evidence for it when we're talking about 2500 BC. Now, if there was some sort of very sophisticated civilization that was tens of thousands of years before that, and they were wiped out...

01:08:54.000 And then you're leaving behind these artifacts, and then people are claiming them as their own, and then trying to copy them.

01:09:02.000 Imitation was a huge part of it, and we even see that.

01:09:05.000 You go to the Egyptian Museum, and there's these beautiful igneous stone vases made of granite.

01:09:12.000 And right next to them, in the same display, because they're found in the same place, there's a rough pottery vase.

01:09:22.000 Oh, wow.

01:09:42.000 All the most sophisticated artifacts, pyramids, everything, are all the oldest.

01:09:46.000 It gets worse as it goes on.

01:09:48.000 And that's not supposed to make sense.

01:09:50.000 And the last time I was on with you, Joe, I was trying to articulate a point which was that there was a middle kingdom, there was the first kingdom, and there was these periods of revolt and revolution and missing history within Egypt, and there was three different kingdoms.

01:10:07.000 Yeah.

01:10:33.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 I mean, it's 3,000 years old.

01:10:35.000 The dynastic Egyptian civilization itself is 3,000 years old.

01:10:38.000 Now, they do trace that back, 30-plus thousand years.

01:10:42.000 They describe a time as Zeptepe, when the gods walked the earth.

01:10:46.000 They literally talk about these magical abilities that you could interpret as technology.

01:10:50.000 And then after that, there was the Shemsu Hor, the followers of Horus, these semi-divine mystical beings.

01:10:56.000 And they have a list of kings and rulers that go back into that time.

01:10:59.000 It's only in our interpretation and our archaeologists that really say, well, you know what?

01:11:03.000 That's just myth and legend.

01:11:05.000 And after that, we start Dynasty I, King I. That's actually history.

01:11:10.000 But what is their justification?

01:11:12.000 Why do they say that it's just myth and legend?

01:11:14.000 Where are they getting this information from?

01:11:16.000 Why are they making these...

01:11:18.000 Well, because civilization can't exist until 6,000 years ago.

01:11:21.000 It says it right here, Joe.

01:11:22.000 Memorize it.

01:11:22.000 But once they see Gobekli Tepe, don't they kind of have to re-formulate?

01:11:28.000 They should have done it.

01:11:29.000 They refuse.

01:11:30.000 They say they're primitive.

01:11:31.000 They say Gobekli Tepe was created by – they changed it, and it literally happened.

01:11:35.000 I saw this argument being made when Michael Schramm was here with Graham and Randall.

01:11:40.000 They say it's made by hunter-gatherers.

01:11:42.000 They literally changed the definition of what it means to be a hunter-gatherer rather than move that precious state of civilization starting from 6,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago with Gobekli Tepe. 0.99

01:11:53.000 I think it's ridiculous.

01:11:55.000 Gobekli Tepe, you cannot produce that type of installation without civilization. 0.50

01:12:02.000 So many things.

01:12:03.000 The specialization of allowing someone to be able to carve...

01:12:07.000 18 foot pillars that weigh several tons with high relief.

01:12:09.000 Not just that, but the fact that these animals on those pillars are 3D. You carve out the stone to remove stone so that you have these giant pillars with a lizard crawling up the side of it, but the lizard extends out from the stone.

01:12:26.000 High relief.

01:12:27.000 Yeah, it's not carved into it.

01:12:28.000 I mean, that's just insane.

01:12:29.000 As difficult as possible.

01:12:31.000 And you need a population base to support the development of specialisation like that.

01:12:37.000 To me, it's as if they just think, well, no, these hunter-gatherers, these dudes just want to get around on the weekends, get away from the women, go and do some little carving project on the weekend.

01:12:45.000 We'll move some stones over here.

01:12:46.000 And it's not just stone circles.

01:12:48.000 There's buildings and cisterns and quarries.

01:12:50.000 There's infrastructure at these sites as well.

01:12:52.000 And they're finding more and more of them in Turkey.

01:12:55.000 And the fact that it all goes back to that day is just like, look, We should be shifting the data of civilization back.

01:13:01.000 We've shifted back our data as a species.

01:13:03.000 I mean, fossil record.

01:13:05.000 We were 190,000 years old forever.

01:13:07.000 They found a human jawbone in Morocco.

01:13:09.000 Now we're 300,000 years old.

01:13:11.000 The latest DNA evidence looking at our divergence from a common ancestor with the Neanderthals and studies on teeth morphology put us at around 800,000 to 900,000 years old.

01:13:24.000 Potentially.

01:13:24.000 That's the range of us as being sitting around here as modern humans on the planet.

01:13:29.000 That's so much time.

01:13:31.000 Dude, it goes back to other periods.

01:13:33.000 You think about it, that's into other periods of warm, more hospitable environments.

01:13:39.000 You go through a couple of different glaciation cycles in that time frame. 0.99

01:13:44.000 And, you know, give us a few warm sunny days and enough shit to eat and we're going to solve some friggin' problems. 0.99

01:13:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:49.000 Especially for thousands of years.

01:13:51.000 Yeah.

01:13:51.000 Something wild about Gobekli Tepe?

01:13:53.000 How many of those pillars are still buried and not excavated yet?

01:13:56.000 Almost 200?

01:13:57.000 It's like 5% of it's been excavated.

01:13:59.000 And they found it by accident in the 90s.

01:14:01.000 They did.

01:14:02.000 That's what's crazy.

01:14:03.000 Like, wasn't it a sheepherder?

01:14:06.000 Yep.

01:14:06.000 Yeah, it's a pot-bellied hill.

01:14:07.000 He found something sticking out of the ground.

01:14:09.000 What's this?

01:14:10.000 Let me kick the dirt away from this thing. 1.00

01:14:12.000 What the fuck? 0.99

01:14:14.000 You find 12,000-year-old massive stone structures that predate what we think of as history by 6,000 years. 1.00

01:14:24.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:14:26.000 And just finding more and more of it.

01:14:28.000 You know, it's funny, Jimmy, you mentioned about an interesting point about the sediment, because I know, and Graham Hancock likes to talk about this too, underwater archaeology, the fact that sea levels have risen 300 to 400 feet.

01:14:38.000 One of the challenges with that is exactly that, is that this catastrophic flooding that happened as a result of this violent process that got us to our climate of today and our sea level, Is that, yeah, there's sediment everywhere.

01:14:50.000 So even if there were cities, there were remains.

01:14:52.000 The Younger Dryas and the Cataclysm was so violent and such a savage event that it would have just smashed stuff.

01:14:59.000 And even if there was stuff that's now underwater, it's buried in sediment.

01:15:02.000 It's not like you're going to just take pictures of the ocean floor around these continents and find lost cities.

01:15:08.000 In a lot of places, this is all going to be buried in sediment and smashed into bits.

01:15:11.000 Yeah, gravel.

01:15:12.000 It's very difficult.

01:15:12.000 Just complete smithereens.

01:15:14.000 Yeah.

01:15:14.000 But they should go looking.

01:15:16.000 They should go looking.

01:15:17.000 But, I mean, just knowing the geological data, knowing that the Younger Dryas impact theory appears to be correct, knowing that there's people like Randall Carlson who have looked at the surface area of North America and shown these incredible pieces of evidence that there's massive water flooding...

01:15:42.000 That went through.

01:15:44.000 Impossible to understand.

01:15:46.000 Like, you can't comprehend the amount of water and the amount of power that would come from that water and just from being impacted by a mile-wide chunk of iron that slams into an ice cap.

01:16:01.000 It's crazy.

01:16:02.000 The channeled scab lands is absolutely spectacular.

01:16:04.000 I've done those trips with Randall a bunch of times.

01:16:07.000 It's such an incredible landscape when you put it in that context.

01:16:10.000 And you're looking at this outflow from these floods like we've never...

01:16:14.000 Yeah, it's these massive big coolies that are 800 foot high and you're standing on top of about 300 foot of sediment at the bottom.

01:16:20.000 And it's just ripped all this basalt out and then downed.

01:16:23.000 We've dumped it out into this massive big boulder spree that's also several hundred foot deep and you've got granite from Canada that's been carried by these floods down here and deposited in these giant icebergs.

01:16:33.000 It happened over a couple of days.

01:16:35.000 Yeah, maybe up to a week.

01:16:36.000 But yeah, I really think he's onto something with the major flood.

01:16:41.000 There's so many problems with the Missoula flood, the main theory of lots of little floods that this ice dam reformed and it's a good topic for Randall.

01:16:49.000 But yeah, I think it definitely happened in a real short time because...

01:16:53.000 That whole Lake Missoula area where they say was the reformation of an ice dam.

01:16:58.000 That's what they say.

01:16:59.000 It's like, well, this reformed like 95 times and these floods happened.

01:17:03.000 We have no evidence for that.

01:17:04.000 And there's nothing that ever supports that theory, least of all hydrodynamics, of trying to form an ice dam that's like 2,000 feet deep and six miles wide. 0.93

01:17:11.000 It's ridiculous.

01:17:12.000 Ice dams don't get that big. 0.58

01:17:14.000 It can't happen.

01:17:15.000 And it makes sense if you think about the fact that they believe we got hit by these massive chunks of rock and ice and stone and iron from space.

01:17:27.000 43,000 miles an hour.

01:17:30.000 Yeah.

01:17:32.000 Into two-mile thick ice.

01:17:34.000 Two-mile thick ice.

01:17:35.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:17:35.000 Have you heard of the Carolina Bays?

01:17:37.000 No.

01:17:38.000 Okay.

01:17:38.000 This is a great one because this ties into that.

01:17:41.000 And this is like one of those things that nobody knows about, but it's a feature that's everywhere.

01:17:45.000 And so up and down, if you search for Carolina Bays, Jamie, all up and down the East Coast, it's not just the Carolina.

01:17:50.000 There are literally millions of these geological features.

01:17:54.000 They're literally bays.

01:17:56.000 They're elliptical bays.

01:17:57.000 The whole landscape's littered with them.

01:17:59.000 We started to notice them with the advent of aerial photography, and then when we started doing LIDAR flyovers, we started to see them under everything.

01:18:05.000 Millions of them.

01:18:07.000 That's on the East Coast.

01:18:08.000 Then over in Missoula, we have what's called Missoula Rainwater Basins.

01:18:11.000 Again, millions of them.

01:18:12.000 All over the landscape.

01:18:14.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:18:15.000 Carolina Bays.

01:18:16.000 And they're everywhere.

01:18:17.000 They range in size from pretty small to pretty big, like miles in diameter.

01:18:20.000 And they're all...

01:18:22.000 Elliptical.

01:18:22.000 They're all like a conic section.

01:18:24.000 Look at that LiDAR one.

01:18:26.000 It's really good.

01:18:26.000 What do they think these are?

01:18:27.000 So there's been some debate, and one of the mainstream opinions is that they're wind and sand, aeolian, lacustrian solution created.

01:18:38.000 None of the experiments along the lines of wind can back this up.

01:18:42.000 The interesting thing about these is that they're all oriented in a specific direction.

01:18:46.000 And what turns out is that there was a study done because a guy went and mapped out thousands of them and lined them up.

01:18:53.000 And it wasn't until he took into account the Coriolis effect, so the spin of the earth, that all of a sudden all these lines, the orientation of these bays all lined up at around Saginaw Bay, which would have been buried in ice.

01:19:07.000 So here's the theory that comes out about the Carolina Bays, is that there was a massive impact into the ice.

01:19:13.000 And it basically threw up splash damage of ice boulders the size of baseball stadiums on suborbital trajectories that then created this saturation bombardment and liquefaction of the entire East Coast and over there in Missoula of the entire land.

01:19:31.000 And that image, Jamie, in that lower left...

01:19:34.000 Oh, I have a laser pointer.

01:19:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:38.000 Jamie can get a laser pointer.

01:19:40.000 I brought one.

01:19:41.000 How's this bad boy work?

01:19:42.000 The gift that we'll keep on giving.

01:19:44.000 What do I have to do to give this?

01:19:44.000 Just press that button.

01:19:45.000 Oh yeah, rip off that little plastic thing. 1.00

01:19:47.000 It's like a safety?

01:19:48.000 Oh no, not that.

01:19:49.000 Just rip out the battery, the little color.

01:19:51.000 Here, you can use this one.

01:19:52.000 It's ready to go.

01:19:52.000 Okay, show me how to...

01:19:53.000 I gotcha.

01:19:55.000 Okay, so this one right here.

01:19:57.000 Whoa, Jesus.

01:19:58.000 I know, crazy, right? 0.99

01:19:59.000 They reflect the back and blow the shit out of them. 0.99

01:20:00.000 This is the real deal. 0.98

01:20:02.000 So is that what they look like in real life?

01:20:05.000 They're more elliptical than that in general.

01:20:08.000 So if you look at the LiDAR imagery, but a lot of them, yeah.

01:20:10.000 So they're overlapping as well. 0.96

01:20:12.000 I fucking can't see. 0.99

01:20:13.000 Bro, I'm going to be shooting this thing at airplanes later. 1.00

01:20:16.000 I got one.

01:20:17.000 Best $18 I've ever spent on Amazon.

01:20:19.000 Ever.

01:20:19.000 I got one that'll pop balloons.

01:20:21.000 Really?

01:20:22.000 So much.

01:20:22.000 Oh, dude.

01:20:23.000 I bought a few years back.

01:20:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:25.000 It comes in a little case with safety goggles.

01:20:28.000 You gotta put them on.

01:20:28.000 I learned so much from this show.

01:20:30.000 I learned so much.

01:20:32.000 I'll bring it.

01:20:32.000 So these are...

01:20:33.000 What is that in real life?

01:20:35.000 Does it actually look like that?

01:20:37.000 It depends.

01:20:37.000 Some of them are just farmland.

01:20:39.000 Some of them are still lakes.

01:20:40.000 They have bodies of water in them.

01:20:41.000 They mostly show up with LIDAR. Oh, look at this, Jamie.

01:20:44.000 There are a few spots.

01:20:46.000 Jamie's going to Google Earth.

01:20:47.000 You can see them on Google Earth.

01:20:52.000 That's more of a natural lake.

01:20:53.000 But they're literally everywhere and they overlap.

01:20:55.000 The whole landscape's made up of them. 0.95

01:20:57.000 Didn't they find most of them through LIDAR, though?

01:20:59.000 Yeah, LIDAR. They started to see them with aerial photography, and then LIDAR, they just turned up everywhere.

01:21:04.000 Under farmland, I wish I could – I didn't send you the photos of the bays with LIDAR. But it's just the crazy story about their creation is that these are splash damage.

01:21:14.000 I think?

01:21:31.000 Wow.

01:21:51.000 And it was just a saturation bombardment on the East Coast.

01:21:54.000 And it's people now just, you know, we play golf on them and it's all this stuff.

01:21:57.000 But it's a catastrophic landscape, the entire East Coast, which is likely off the coast as well.

01:22:03.000 So this image is what?

01:22:05.000 This is from South Carolina's government page talking about it.

01:22:08.000 Carolina Bay.

01:22:09.000 You see their elliptical?

01:22:11.000 They all orient in a certain direction.

01:22:12.000 And so the conventional explanation is wind?

01:22:16.000 Wind and basically water.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, but none of the experiments make sense.

01:22:21.000 There's a guy on YouTube, Antonio Zamora.

01:22:24.000 He's also written a paper on it and a couple of books.

01:22:26.000 But he shows that there's always been a big debate about them.

01:22:30.000 But by far the best, I think, explanation for them is the ice boulder hypothesis.

01:22:37.000 It's crazy to think about it.

01:22:38.000 Like, you know, impact happens over here.

01:22:41.000 Eight, nine, ten minutes later, you just have this rain of just destruction coming from the sky that obliterates the entire coast of the United States.

01:22:50.000 That's what you'd expect if there's something that hit at a high speed, and of course there'd be fallout.

01:22:55.000 Things would get sprayed about.

01:22:56.000 It would make sense to find that if the Younger Dryas climate impact hypothesis is true, there would be something like that.

01:23:02.000 They've done experiments, yeah.

01:23:03.000 So you shoot a bullet into ice at an angle, and it shows the shattering of ice and the orientation.

01:23:10.000 So we can step backwards from the bays and look at, okay, what's the energy required for the impact and at what angle was the impact coming in?

01:23:18.000 And it's something like it would have been probably a mile-wide impactor up at Saginaw Bay that might have ejected that much ice to do that.

01:23:26.000 We're so vulnerable.

01:23:27.000 We are so vulnerable, and we like to think this is all permanent. 0.97

01:23:32.000 I mean, you think about how ridiculous human beings are. 0.98

01:23:35.000 We spend most of our lives accumulating stuff, trying to get status, trying to fuck as many people as we can and get the biggest house. 0.99

01:23:44.000 I think? 0.95

01:24:05.000 The astronomy, everything, gone!

01:24:08.000 See ya!

01:24:08.000 Goodbye!

01:24:09.000 Welcome to being a fuckin' ape man again. 1.00

01:24:12.000 Welcome to, like, eating whatever the fuck you can get in your mouth and dying when you're twelve. 1.00

01:24:17.000 And having people try to steal all that from you. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Yeah.

01:24:21.000 Can you imagine?

01:24:22.000 Within three or four generations, people would be...

01:24:25.000 I love the ancient Egypt analysis.

01:24:27.000 You would be probably hammering a black rock into a shape like this and dancing around a cave, a fire, trying to turn it on. 0.97

01:24:34.000 If we dance around a fire hard enough, then this black rock will turn on and it'll give me the fucking answer to anything I want. 1.00

01:24:40.000 We'd be talking about plasma TVs like it's a legend in the past. 0.97

01:24:44.000 I mean, we would have no evidence of any of this stuff.

01:24:47.000 And one of the weirder things about us is we insist on putting our stuff on hard drives, which is the absolute worst thing.

01:24:54.000 And then there was the Georgia Guidestones. 0.99

01:24:56.000 People were like, well, let's blow that shit up. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Somebody blew that up. 1.00

01:24:59.000 Something interesting.

01:25:00.000 They still haven't found anyone from that.

01:25:02.000 I find that quite interesting.

01:25:03.000 They called it an act of domestic terrorism.

01:25:06.000 I mean, exploded ordinance on government land or as publicans ran by the state.

01:25:13.000 But they don't have anyone.

01:25:14.000 They had a car drive right by it.

01:25:15.000 They have no suspects.

01:25:17.000 I find that really peculiar because there was supposed to be that buried time capsule.

01:25:22.000 Well, they allegedly dug it up and there was nothing there.

01:25:25.000 I find that interesting.

01:25:27.000 What's your crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theory?

01:25:30.000 Okay, here we go.

01:25:32.000 So this is complicated.

01:25:34.000 Who made the Georgia Guidestones, by the way?

01:25:36.000 Do we know that?

01:25:36.000 Some of it's a mystery.

01:25:37.000 Some of it we know.

01:25:38.000 It was a gentleman.

01:25:42.000 I made a video about this.

01:25:43.000 R.C. Christian. 0.99

01:25:44.000 And there was a small group of donors.

01:25:46.000 And they had had these written essentially laws for if like in the event of a cataclysm in human history was to be reset and this would be a guidance for how we should proceed.

01:25:57.000 And some people consider it to be very benign.

01:26:00.000 I don't – I wasn't a big fan of them because it basically preaches, I would say, communism.

01:26:06.000 It talks about having population control as far as not allowing – that there should be societal – Pressure as well as legal pressure on controlling how many kids people have moving forward and to keep a balance at 500 million.

01:26:20.000 They don't say reduce the population to 500 million.

01:26:22.000 That's where some of the conspiracies come in is that this is a depopulation agenda.

01:26:25.000 But the conspiracy, to answer your question, some people suspect that what if – because there's a lot of talk today about people wanting to reduce population and we're destroying the earth – that what if the powers that be that did create them purposely – If they're under – that way,

01:26:41.000 if they're under their plan, they'd want to destroy them, remove that evidence, and pretend those Guidestones didn't even exist in the first place and remove that time capsule.

01:26:50.000 This is complete conspiracy.

01:26:51.000 I don't know what I'm talking about, but what I do find interesting – What is this?

01:26:54.000 Is that the car?

01:26:55.000 Yes.

01:26:56.000 Here's the most bizarre thing of this whole thing.

01:26:59.000 Is that a charge?

01:27:00.000 They destroyed—so, as you can see, they caused significant damage.

01:27:03.000 But the very next day, less than 24 hours after this bomb went off, they leveled it.

01:27:10.000 They raised it to the ground because they said it was a safety hazard.

01:27:12.000 But I'm like, this is the middle of a field.

01:27:14.000 They can cordon it off with police crime scene tape.

01:27:16.000 And just being an Iraq veteran, like, when there was an IED that would go off, they'd have people come out and investigate this.

01:27:21.000 They'd do an investigation.

01:27:22.000 This was a bomb on United States— You know, ground and they leveled it the next day.

01:27:28.000 And I'm like, where's all the forensic teams coming in to try and like analyze the explosive evidence?

01:27:34.000 It just seemed really, really they urgently removed all evidence of this.

01:27:38.000 And that's the part that makes my little conspiracy wheels go is because, you know, where's the true investigation?

01:27:44.000 Where's the FBI? Where's the ATF? Again, less than a day after that bomb went off, they raised it to the ground.

01:27:51.000 And nothing since.

01:27:52.000 I mean, how have they not found this person?

01:27:55.000 Why would they raise it to the ground?

01:27:56.000 Why wouldn't they just fix it?

01:27:58.000 Or maybe it wasn't salvageable.

01:28:00.000 I don't know.

01:28:00.000 What I do know is that they quickly removed that thing.

01:28:04.000 And that's just a little bit weird.

01:28:06.000 Why would you do that?

01:28:07.000 Where's the ATF? Where's all the people out there taking swabs of everything, you know?

01:28:11.000 If there was a natural disaster that was imminent and it was headed our way and only a few people knew about it, how much do you think they'd tell us?

01:28:19.000 They wouldn't. 0.97

01:28:20.000 They wouldn't say a goddamn thing because we would go crazy. 0.99

01:28:23.000 We'd wind up looting all the targets. 0.99

01:28:25.000 That's right.

01:28:25.000 Target and Walmart.

01:28:28.000 I'm going to the last Kmart.

01:28:32.000 Real quick, did you hear what Elon Musk said on the Full Send podcast a few months ago?

01:28:37.000 What?

01:28:38.000 So there's Full Send, the Nelk Boys, awesome guys, great podcast.

01:28:42.000 Elon Musk was on there, it's like four months ago, has like 15 million views.

01:28:46.000 It's a three hour podcast.

01:28:47.000 And at two hours and like 53 minutes, they start talking about cataclysms and ice ages.

01:28:53.000 And Elon Musk, this is out of all things that were discussed on the podcast.

01:28:57.000 In my mind, the most interesting part of it all got zero coverage.

01:29:00.000 It's like nobody talked about it, and it's because it's two hours and 50 minutes in.

01:29:03.000 But Elon Musk says a couple things within just a few minutes.

01:29:06.000 He says, if you want to go down a deep, deep rabbit hole, look into ice ages and how often they happen.

01:29:13.000 He goes on to say that...

01:29:15.000 Let's listen to this.

01:29:16.000 If you read about ice ages...

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 Really?

01:29:20.000 Like what?

01:29:20.000 A deep rabbit hole on Ice Ages.

01:29:22.000 What's so intriguing about them?

01:29:23.000 The whole earth has just been through like...

01:29:25.000 The whole earth is just freezing?

01:29:27.000 Like I said, there's a deep rabbit hole on Ice Ages.

01:29:30.000 Deep rabbit hole.

01:29:32.000 Where should we go?

01:29:32.000 There's so many...

01:29:34.000 Wait, there's so many what?

01:29:35.000 Wikipedia or...

01:29:36.000 It was like a little bit of a tidbit of it.

01:29:39.000 Yeah, why do you love it?

01:29:41.000 Why do I love it?

01:29:41.000 I mean, I think it's just interesting.

01:29:43.000 So interesting.

01:29:44.000 That's amazing.

01:29:45.000 That how much Earth's climate has changed.

01:29:47.000 And even where the, magnetically, where the poles are, has shifted over time.

01:29:53.000 So, you know, anyway, there's...

01:30:00.000 There's also been times where, in the past, where our galaxy has collided with another galaxy.

01:30:07.000 That probably threw things for a bit of a loop at the time.

01:30:11.000 Was there a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that?

01:30:14.000 Not really, no.

01:30:16.000 When was the last ice age?

01:30:17.000 How long ago was that?

01:30:19.000 Well, we're technically in sort of an ice age right now.

01:30:25.000 Although, it depends on what you call an ice age.

01:30:28.000 What happened to global warming?

01:30:29.000 Wait, but yeah, how so?

01:30:31.000 What defines an ice age at that point?

01:30:32.000 Global warming is not like cool anymore.

01:30:34.000 It's a deep rabbit hole.

01:30:37.000 What do you do when you go down a deep rabbit hole, though?

01:30:39.000 Is it YouTube videos, books, or how do you educate yourself on this?

01:30:43.000 Wikipedia.

01:30:44.000 Yeah, books and clicking around the internet, Googling Wikipedia, YouTube, whatever.

01:30:52.000 Twitter can be interesting.

01:30:56.000 I think there was probably something significant that happened in the last Ice Age, because we don't see any evidence of writing.

01:31:08.000 I'm using Ice Age in the colloquial term of when it was very snowy and where the glaciers came down far and where summer was short and winter was very long.

01:31:21.000 And that was about 10,000 years ago.

01:31:24.000 So...

01:31:27.000 Something happened around, I think around that ice age that, because we see no writing, no writing before that ice age and we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on earth after the most recent colloquially termed ice age.

01:31:49.000 But like I said, there have been times when Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball.

01:31:57.000 But these tend to occur over very long periods of time.

01:32:01.000 The global warming thing we're talking about here...

01:32:03.000 That's about it.

01:32:04.000 He knows.

01:32:20.000 Yeah.

01:32:20.000 I watched a video on that this morning, the Adam and Eve video.

01:32:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:25.000 The Chan and Thomas thing.

01:32:26.000 Jesus Christ.

01:32:27.000 That's an interesting one.

01:32:29.000 How much of that is agreed upon, that there could be a time when the magnetic poles actually shift?

01:32:38.000 So this is science.

01:32:40.000 They say that the last one was like 778,000 years ago and we're more – we're like something like 200,000 years overdue.

01:32:47.000 But the Adam and Eve story, the theory of that is that these – it happens in cycles of 6,500 years and that it's a 90-degree flip.

01:32:55.000 But six days later or on the seventh day, it corrects itself.

01:33:02.000 It's a planet flip, 90-degree, and that because of it – I think we're good to go.

01:33:25.000 Yeah.

01:33:42.000 That's two miles high.

01:33:43.000 Yes.

01:33:44.000 And I'm like, it would make a lot of sense.

01:33:46.000 If you look at the Bible involving revelations and it's saying six days on the seventh day God rested, in that document it says six days things start simmering down a bit and by day seven things are starting over new.

01:33:59.000 So what's the science behind this complete reversal of the magnetic poles?

01:34:05.000 So, real quick, the part that sets me off about this is that any article you ever read on this, it makes it crystal clear that this will not be apocalyptic.

01:34:15.000 Maybe we'll have some...

01:34:16.000 No, we'll potentially have some satellite communication issues that could affect our power grid and telecommunication systems, and that's going to be unfortunate.

01:34:22.000 But don't worry, it's not a doomsday.

01:34:24.000 I'm like, okay, first of all, if the grid goes down, that is doomsday.

01:34:27.000 But number two, they don't know what they're talking about because they claim that the geomagnetic pole shift is because of the interior, whether it's the iron core or whatever it is, the molten core, does a shift, and because of it, that's why the compass will flip.

01:34:42.000 But I'm like, if you look at the nature of earthquakes, some originate in the crust, others originate in the mantle, in the parts that aren't solid.

01:34:51.000 So I'm like, if you're saying that the interior that is molten does a shift, why on earth would you suggest that it wouldn't cause earthquakes or volcanic activity on the surface?

01:35:03.000 So I feel like every article I ever read on geomagnetic pole shifts, they go out of their way to say, don't worry, it's fine.

01:35:10.000 And I'm like, but yet the evidence shows that it's accelerating.

01:35:14.000 Back in just the 1990s, it was traveling the pole.

01:35:17.000 The North Pole was transitioning at 10 miles a year.

01:35:20.000 Now it's at 40 or almost 40 miles.

01:35:22.000 It's accelerating.

01:35:23.000 And in Adam and Eve's story, it talks about – actually, no, not the Adam and Eve story.

01:35:26.000 There was a documentary on NOVA years ago that the evidence shows that when they've studied all their other volcanic rock – For prior known pole shifts, because keep in mind, there's hundreds that are known.

01:35:35.000 This has happened throughout millions and millions of years.

01:35:38.000 This is mainstream science.

01:35:39.000 The poles do flip.

01:35:41.000 But it's not that the Earth flips over.

01:35:43.000 It's that the inside core does, and so your magnetic compass will flip.

01:35:47.000 What causes it?

01:35:48.000 So whatever that molten core is, it does a shift inside.

01:35:52.000 It allegedly happens in cycles, and we're long overdue.

01:35:56.000 And when it happens, the other theory is that the Earth's shields will be diminished.

01:36:01.000 Well, definitely.

01:36:02.000 So we know two things right now, is that the pole is moving...

01:36:06.000 So I think even the South Pole might be off of Antarctica at this point, the magnetic south.

01:36:11.000 And then the magnetic field consequently to this movement is weakening.

01:36:15.000 So we know our magnetic field, and that's where a lot of that danger is going to come from, is if the magnetic field keeps weakening, now everything cosmically that happens is going to hit the Earth, and particularly us with our electronics, it's all going to get...

01:36:28.000 More easily smashed because the magnetic field is what protects us from solar flares and cosmic radiation and all this stuff.

01:36:34.000 So as the field and the acceleration of that weakening of the field, sorry, is accelerating.

01:36:39.000 So it's getting weaker faster.

01:36:42.000 So we seem to be heading towards an unknown or undetermined time where the poles may shift.

01:36:47.000 Like the polarity of the Earth will shift, yeah, and the compass is...

01:36:51.000 And are there any estimates on when this could possibly take place?

01:36:55.000 And according to every article I ever read, like, oh, don't worry, it's probably another thousand years.

01:36:59.000 You have no idea what you're talking about.

01:37:01.000 It's accelerating.

01:37:02.000 And if you look, there's a – you don't have to Google this, Jamie.

01:37:05.000 I don't know what the – there's a mountain chain in eastern Oregon where it's the evidence of a pole shift, that there was a volcano that was active during the shift.

01:37:14.000 And if you take a compass along – Yeah.

01:37:43.000 The day that it happens, you could potentially see the compass slowly moving.

01:37:48.000 And then when you go back to this Adam and Eve story talking about the pole shift, they say that the event happens in approximately a quarter of a day, so six hours.

01:37:55.000 So it's like it starts – it comes out of nowhere.

01:37:57.000 And I'm like, what if – I'm into the cosmic impact.

01:38:00.000 There's unbelievable evidence that definitely happened.

01:38:02.000 But there's other things that happen on Earth, whether it's supervolcanoes.

01:38:05.000 What if that's related to pole shifts as well?

01:38:08.000 And the reason why the evidence wouldn't be necessarily that we couldn't find it is because if the Adam and Eve story, if the details discussed in it are accurate, the reason why we're not seeing the evidence of it is because it flips right back and thus masks the evidence that it ever happened.

01:38:22.000 Okay.

01:38:24.000 So it's pretty wild.

01:38:25.000 You guys are freaking me the fuck out, man.

01:38:27.000 Can you – let's just text Elon real quick.

01:38:29.000 He knows.

01:38:29.000 He talks about no writing before 10,000 years, and then he's saying it afterwards, and he's talking about deep, deep rabbit hole.

01:38:35.000 I listen to what he says.

01:38:36.000 He's careful with his words.

01:38:37.000 And, I mean, since we know there's been five interglacial periods over the last 450,000 years, this is the topic.

01:38:44.000 You want to see something else?

01:38:46.000 President Trump said it too.

01:38:48.000 What did he say?

01:38:49.000 I have the video on my laptop.

01:38:52.000 It's only 30 seconds long.

01:38:53.000 If you YouTube Donald Trump on climate scientists, basically they're talking about global warming.

01:39:00.000 And he says, he basically interrupts and says, it's going to cool for us though, isn't it?

01:39:05.000 And the scientist is like, oh, that's not what the evidence shows.

01:39:07.000 And he starts, he kind of laughs.

01:39:08.000 He goes...

01:39:09.000 I'm not so sure you know that.

01:39:11.000 And I'm like, of course he would know. 1.00

01:39:13.000 People are like, oh, Donald Trump's anti – he's stupid. 1.00

01:39:16.000 I'm like, he didn't just pull that out of his ass. 1.00

01:39:18.000 He was saying something. 1.00

01:39:19.000 Was this when he was the president?

01:39:20.000 Yes.

01:39:20.000 This was just a few years ago.

01:39:21.000 This is probably his last year of his term.

01:39:24.000 I have the clip on my laptop.

01:39:26.000 It's a 30-second clip or maybe 20 seconds.

01:39:28.000 He said it's going to cool first though before, isn't it?

01:39:31.000 And I'm like, I look at what Musk is saying and this evidence of the pole shift. 1.00

01:39:35.000 I think that the true data on Earth is that the Earth is cold most of the time.

01:39:40.000 That right now we should be grateful that it's nice and cozy because we can live when it's warm.

01:39:44.000 But I think that the data might indicate that Earth is cold more often than it's hot.

01:39:49.000 Well, that's what Randall Carlson has said.

01:39:51.000 And what Randall Carlson said that really freaked me out, he goes, global warming's not scary.

01:39:56.000 He goes, global cooling.

01:39:58.000 That's what's really scary.

01:39:59.000 But we're so concerned with our own guilt and impact because of industrialized society and what sort of... 0.73

01:40:08.000 You know impact we're having on the climate and the earth and our air and and then there's this narrative that just gets repeated over and over and over again this fear-mongering and everyone gets freaked out it's not to say that we aren't polluting we certainly are not to say that we shouldn't improve we certainly should but if the fucking magnetic poles might shift and we might get hit by a giant rock from space we might have bigger problems And we're going to be concentrating on nonsense,

01:40:35.000 which is really par for the course with human beings.

01:40:39.000 We're going to be concentrating on these things that we're really not going to fix over the short term when something might happen that makes all of it a moot point.

01:40:49.000 This is what the doomsday people say.

01:40:51.000 Were you going to say something?

01:41:09.000 Or any of these other events that inject kind of energy in from the exterior system.

01:41:14.000 I mean, just all of this current discussion pales into nothingness.

01:41:17.000 And then there's supervolcanoes too, which happen all the time.

01:41:20.000 Look about Yellowstone.

01:41:22.000 Yellowstone's overdue.

01:41:23.000 Yellowstone is a continent killer.

01:41:25.000 I mean, we have no safeguards in place.

01:41:29.000 There's no...

01:41:30.000 We're lucky that the last essentially 10,000 years, with a couple little blips, things like Burkle Crater, we've had really calm, pleasant weather for most of it.

01:41:39.000 I mean, that's why our civilization has risen.

01:41:41.000 Because if you look at the temperature record and the swings from...

01:41:45.000 Cold to even colder and back again.

01:41:47.000 I mean, it's up and down.

01:41:48.000 There was all sorts of nasty things happening more than 10,000 years ago.

01:41:52.000 And ever since then, it's this pretty straight line.

01:41:54.000 It's the reason that we're a civilization now.

01:41:56.000 And because we think in such short-term timeframes, human lifetimes, or even just a couple hundred years, we just ignore that stuff.

01:42:04.000 But yeah, if you extend the timeline out far enough, these things are going to happen again.

01:42:08.000 And we should probably be a bit more conscious of them.

01:42:11.000 And yeah, that's the threat.

01:42:13.000 Someone must...

01:42:15.000 No.

01:42:15.000 If there's enough smart people, they should be investigating this.

01:42:18.000 I'm like, what does Elon know?

01:42:19.000 What do other people know?

01:42:20.000 Some people speculate that the reason for such brazen, poor behavior involving spending with the government and the economy and the U.S. dollar and all these things, some speculate, there's a total conspiracy, that the powers that be know something's coming, and so they're just going to keep things going until then.

01:42:36.000 Because the way things are being run, it makes no sense.

01:42:39.000 Right.

01:42:39.000 Well, the World Economic Forum is taking place right now at Davos, and Klaus Schwab and George Soros just pulled out of it.

01:42:45.000 They did.

01:42:45.000 What do you make of that?

01:42:46.000 They went to the bunker.

01:42:48.000 They're digging some pretty big holes in Colorado, and there's a lot of bunkers in New Zealand, too, that are owned by billionaires.

01:42:53.000 There's big holes in Colorado?

01:42:55.000 Oh, yeah.

01:42:55.000 I mean, that's also the Cheyenne Mountain, and that's where all the nuclear command is and stuff.

01:43:01.000 And they've been...

01:43:04.000 From sources unknown, I can also tell you that at some point I've eyeballed this like an RFP, Request for Proposal, for people to develop basically drone systems.

01:43:15.000 You remember the movie Prometheus where they threw the drones up in the internet channels?

01:43:19.000 There was an RFP for people to develop tech like that because the government was interesting.

01:43:25.000 The premise was that they wanted to be able to fight in underground cities.

01:43:29.000 Fight.

01:43:29.000 Yeah, like as in for the military.

01:43:31.000 We want to be able to map terrain and have these drones that can navigate in underground space without GPS and map the environment because it's the combat situation was fighting in underground cities.

01:43:40.000 Because there's going to be a small population of marauding people. 1.00

01:43:43.000 Potentially.

01:43:44.000 And there's very little resources and a small number of humans left alive and civilization will be thrown into chaos.

01:43:51.000 Right.

01:43:51.000 Fun!

01:43:52.000 Yeah, a good time.

01:43:53.000 So much fun.

01:43:54.000 But let's argue about what gender you should use the restroom. 1.00

01:43:57.000 Yes, yes.

01:43:59.000 I'm sure there's people that explore that premise, man.

01:44:01.000 They have to be, I think.

01:44:28.000 This was sophisticated.

01:44:30.000 There's underground rivers that are 15 stories down?

01:44:33.000 Yeah, they dug right to them.

01:44:34.000 And here's something else.

01:44:35.000 They say that there's zero evidence of any type of cave-ins.

01:44:38.000 So whoever carved this out of the limestone in there, this was sophisticated.

01:44:43.000 They did so in a way that it didn't collapse in on itself.

01:44:46.000 And they also must have known that it reached a freshwater source of water down below.

01:44:52.000 So as long as it doesn't get hit directly, which you can never predict. 0.87

01:44:57.000 Yeah, you'd be screwed.

01:44:58.000 Which is where I'd want to be if it happens. 0.98

01:45:00.000 This is wild.

01:45:01.000 Have it land on me.

01:45:04.000 There's pictures that show images of it underground.

01:45:07.000 Yeah, we've seen those before when Graham and Randall were on last.

01:45:11.000 We talked about these and that they'd probably used these for short periods of time, right post-impact, before they came back to the surface again.

01:45:19.000 So they weathered the storm and then came back above and that they had gotten accustomed to this.

01:45:25.000 Which is just really wild, man.

01:45:27.000 So this is in Colorado?

01:45:29.000 They're all over the place.

01:45:32.000 Jamie, you should Google the Cheyenne bunker system.

01:45:35.000 If everything goes sideways, completely back to caveman life, do you really want to make it through that?

01:45:41.000 Yes, I've seen enough television shows and movies to know that it's a lot of fun.

01:45:45.000 I'm going to...

01:45:47.000 I'm a prepper.

01:45:49.000 I have my things in place to be safe. 0.94

01:45:51.000 And I would, if shit really hit the fan, I'd want to look after those who are still around. 0.99

01:45:56.000 You know, like, I don't know, maybe it'd be miserable and I'd be eaten alive by cannibals. 0.99

01:46:00.000 How many bullets do you have saved up?

01:46:01.000 I won't answer that.

01:46:02.000 Ask me after the program.

01:46:04.000 Plenty.

01:46:05.000 I was a soldier.

01:46:06.000 Alright, so you need thousands.

01:46:07.000 You need a lot.

01:46:08.000 Yeah, thousands.

01:46:09.000 Because people don't realize they're like, oh, a thousand rounds, that's scary.

01:46:12.000 Like, if you're just doing target practicing, you can go through a hundred rounds in minutes.

01:46:17.000 So you would need a bunch.

01:46:18.000 And you'd want a variety of calibers.

01:46:20.000 And you'd want a bunch of each one of those calibers.

01:46:23.000 Because if you get to a point where you run low, you want to be able to go scavenging.

01:46:27.000 And you would want a variety of weapons that can house different calibers.

01:46:30.000 You'd want a shotgun.

01:46:31.000 Yeah.

01:46:31.000 You'd want the 5.56.

01:46:33.000 You'd want probably a 9mm because it's the most abundant.

01:46:36.000 And Ruger 10-22 long rifle, you'd want it all.

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:41.000 The people coming at you, though, too, that's the thing.

01:46:44.000 Like, I've got a few acres, and you run through the scenarios and stuff like that.

01:46:47.000 The people that are going to come at you from the cities and from those desolate areas, they're the winners of that competition. 0.99

01:46:52.000 They're going to be the most savage, crazy MFers that have been eating everybody else and taking all their shit. 0.99

01:47:00.000 And then how long before we start figuring out phones again after that? 1.00

01:47:04.000 How many thousands of years?

01:47:06.000 That's what's really crazy to think of.

01:47:08.000 If things get knocked into the Stone Age, like if you go back to the sophistication of ancient Egypt and you think about what the civilization could have been like, I mean you're just speculating, you're just trying to just imagine how they could have moved these 500-ton stone blocks,

01:47:27.000 500 miles.

01:47:28.000 You're putting all these things into your mind.

01:47:30.000 And then say, how long does it take to get from that If you knock back into barbarians, how long does it take to get from that to where we are now? 0.97

01:47:42.000 Well, evidence would suggest something like 6,000 years.

01:47:45.000 Which is wild.

01:47:46.000 It is. 0.97

01:47:48.000 If you think about how absolutely fucking ruthless people were 2,000 years ago, doesn't it kind of make sense that those are the ones that made it through and then it took a long time before they calmed the fuck down? 0.97

01:47:59.000 Right. 0.92

01:48:00.000 So if you go back to, you know, whatever it was, the sophistication level that people were at when they built ancient Egypt, let's just speculate that it was 20,000 years ago.

01:48:11.000 Yeah.

01:48:11.000 And you think about how much they had to endure to get to that point and how much they had to...

01:48:17.000 I mean, there's real evidence, and if you especially pay attention to the work of people like Steven Pinker, that over time there's been less violence, less...

01:48:27.000 Less crime, less everything.

01:48:31.000 Civilization has gotten better.

01:48:32.000 We are calming down from now versus the way we were 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 500 years ago.

01:48:41.000 Things are moving in the correct direction.

01:48:42.000 But how long does it take before you have We're good to go.

01:49:03.000 We're not even anywhere near that now.

01:49:04.000 We're nowhere near the level of sophistication that it took them to build.

01:49:08.000 And we're just guessing as to what kind of technology they had available to them.

01:49:12.000 And as you pointed out, with these vases and with just the alignment to the constellations, the sophistication that's involved in the construction to get stones that are tons of stone that you can't even get a razor blade in between. 0.98

01:49:28.000 Like, what the fuck was going on? 0.77

01:49:31.000 Here's the fun thing to entertain is about moving the stone. 0.99

01:49:34.000 So all that black granite that came from...

01:49:37.000 500 miles away.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, but the ones that came from the eastern part of Egypt.

01:49:42.000 Oh, the Wadi Hammamet quarry that's in the east?

01:49:44.000 Yeah, in the mountains.

01:49:45.000 In the mountains of...

01:49:46.000 It's nowhere near the Nile.

01:49:47.000 Right.

01:49:48.000 And so they would have had...

01:49:48.000 Yeah, move it out of the ground.

01:49:49.000 You'd have to go up and down mountains to move these things that were tens of tons.

01:49:53.000 Like off cliffs.

01:49:56.000 Because the narrative is like, oh, well, they would have brought these stones up the Nile.

01:50:00.000 Right.

01:50:00.000 Well, there's stones out there that are on the other side of the Nile in the mountains.

01:50:04.000 So how do they bring those?

01:50:07.000 Enormous stones.

01:50:09.000 Enormous.

01:50:09.000 Well, there's 1,000-ton stones.

01:50:10.000 So there's evidence.

01:50:12.000 There's multiple statues that I can show you.

01:50:17.000 Pictures of that there were single-piece statues.

01:50:19.000 You have the unfinished obelisk in the quarry.

01:50:21.000 That's 1,200 tons.

01:50:22.000 But then you have at least three or four unfinished, like, finished statues that were 1,000 tons, single-piece granite.

01:50:29.000 And one of them's in a place called Tannis, which is way up in the north in the delta.

01:50:32.000 That's more than 1,000 miles from where that stone came from.

01:50:35.000 And then moving that thing, I mean, it's 1,000...

01:50:38.000 It was around 1,000 tons finished, single-piece granite.

01:50:42.000 So moving it, you may be at 1,500 tons or more, like, moving that.

01:50:45.000 There's...

01:50:46.000 There's a quarry in Egypt, I think it's called the Minya Quarry, which has these blocks.

01:50:52.000 They're still attached, where they've cut these big blocks out, and there's an image of what looks like a giant pharaoh that's been carved on top of it.

01:50:58.000 They're made from limestone.

01:50:59.000 Now, maybe they were never intended to be blocks, or maybe they were never intended to be finished, but if you assume they're blocks, these two blocks weigh, I think it's 3,500 and 5,000 tons apiece, based on the density of limestone in that region.

01:51:12.000 They're not disconnected, but that's...

01:51:15.000 That's the scale.

01:51:16.000 We know there's objects up to like 1,200 tons, but the fact that they moved them a thousand miles, and we have examples.

01:51:24.000 There's a stone called the Russian Thunderstone.

01:51:25.000 Have you heard of this?

01:51:26.000 No.

01:51:27.000 So like in the 1700s, they took a big lump of, I think it's granite or something like that, from Finland, and they shipped it to St. Petersburg, and they carved it into a statue.

01:51:37.000 It's still there today.

01:51:37.000 It's the Thunderstone.

01:51:38.000 It's an edifice.

01:51:40.000 It weighed...

01:51:41.000 That's it now.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, that's the finished one.

01:51:43.000 This image here is the right one, yeah.

01:51:45.000 So this is how they did it in the 1700s, the Thunderstone.

01:51:48.000 And they moved it around 100, 150 metres a day.

01:51:52.000 It took them forever.

01:51:53.000 And the only way they did this was by basically sinking giant logs into the ground to give them a leverage point for these cap stands.

01:52:03.000 And they'd move a system of rails, big steel rails with steel ball bearings, I think we're good to go.

01:52:18.000 I think we're good to go.

01:52:25.000 They had to construct a giant barge, like a huge barge, and on each side of the barge they would tie up three warships just to try and keep it stable.

01:52:34.000 It's about the same size, same mass as the obelisk that's sitting in this mountainous quarry in Egypt, in Aswan.

01:52:41.000 It's still in the ground.

01:52:42.000 It's like 1,200 tons of granite.

01:52:44.000 And you're expected to believe that they somehow were going to lift this thing up out of a quarry, over these basically big hills and mountains of granite, And put it on a little ship that's narrowed in this, they call it the harbor there, and it's this tiny little space.

01:52:56.000 I'm like, you're absolutely delusional if you think this was a simple task that could be achieved with primitive methods, and then ship that thing a thousand miles somewhere.

01:53:06.000 When you speculate, when you sit around by yourself, because you've thought about this a lot. 0.99

01:53:10.000 How the fuck do you think they did this? 0.99

01:53:13.000 Just take a wild-ass guess. 0.99

01:53:15.000 I think there's connections possibly to gravity manipulation.

01:53:20.000 I think anti-gravity had to have it play a part in moving some of this stuff.

01:53:23.000 I actually think there's some connections to some of the work that's being done with this plasmoid implosion technology, the stuff that Randall's been looking into that's coming back to talk a little bit about.

01:53:34.000 The relationship and the sacred geometry aspects of that are similar to the things that we see In some of these cultures in the past, so that may potentially have something to do with the methods that were used in the past, but I'm convinced it was a form of advanced technology.

01:53:50.000 Now, whether it's our form of technology, because let's face it, we can do things like that today, but it takes hydraulics and diesel powers and cranes and all that stuff.

01:53:58.000 They may have had an entirely different avenue of tech, and that you open up in the realm of resonance and acoustics and anti-gravity, I think...

01:54:07.000 Resonance in particular might have played a strong role because that's certainly a feature that you see in some of these older structures, whether it's an accident or not, but some of them are incredibly resonant.

01:54:18.000 The Great Pyramid generates a tone just on its own that comes from the earth in their...

01:54:23.000 It generates a tone.

01:54:24.000 It does.

01:54:24.000 It generates a low tone.

01:54:26.000 It's basically coming from the earth.

01:54:28.000 If you're quiet enough, you can, but it's certainly been picked up in a whole number of different experiments where they're measuring the tone.

01:54:34.000 The whole structure does generate a low tone.

01:54:37.000 It's an interesting thing.

01:54:38.000 A lot of these places typically have a connection to underground water as well.

01:54:42.000 We know there's water beneath the Giza Plateau.

01:54:44.000 Places like the Coricancha in Peru, which is also a giant megalithic building.

01:54:48.000 There's an underwater river near there.

01:54:49.000 We always see some form of flowing water associated with it.

01:54:53.000 Whether or not that has something to do with it, I don't know.

01:54:56.000 But it's just in that realm of...

01:54:58.000 I think it's the answers lay in realms of science that are outside of our current understanding that we should be approaching with an open mind because we might ultimately learn something from it if we do.

01:55:08.000 Instead of just dismissing it, putting it in a box and saying...

01:55:11.000 You know what?

01:55:11.000 We're superior to every civilization that's lived before.

01:55:15.000 They're primitive.

01:55:16.000 They did it with primitive methods.

01:55:18.000 All things are a frequency.

01:55:20.000 All things operate on resonance.

01:55:22.000 And by the way, a quick little bizarre similarity when you're mentioning anti-gravity, that Dr. Chan Thomas, who wrote the Adam Neve story, he was researching anti-gravity for McDonnell Douglas back in the 60s.

01:55:34.000 So, Jamie, put that back up please.

01:55:37.000 A recent study published on Ancient Origins website claims that the ancient Egyptians benefited from the sound in the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza and relied on the discovery of a dead-end Yeah,

01:56:10.000 all the boxes too.

01:56:11.000 The Serapium is an incredible site that houses like 25 of the biggest stone boxes you'll ever see.

01:56:17.000 It's just one spot and they're the biggest ones.

01:56:20.000 Some of them are up to like 70 tons with their lids 30 tons.

01:56:23.000 And I've been there with some people that have been measuring like the frequency resonance range inside there.

01:56:29.000 So what range are you generating standing waves?

01:56:32.000 And they all seem to have a very similar resonance tone to them.

01:56:35.000 So it's an interesting experiment.

01:56:37.000 Like you can stand inside a water tank or a concrete room and find a resonance.

01:56:41.000 But it's interesting to go and actually analyze those aspects of these ancient structures and to speculate maybe has this got anything to do with what they were made for?

01:56:49.000 Yeah.

01:57:08.000 Well, it's just the sheer scale of them.

01:57:10.000 It flies in the face of logic.

01:57:13.000 Like the actual archaeologists that want to lock this down and try to come up with some sort of a conventional reason and, you know, some sort of an explanation that we can all get behind.

01:57:24.000 Oh, they used pulleys and pushed them on logs. 0.99

01:57:26.000 Like, shut the fuck up! 1.00

01:57:27.000 Just shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:57:28.000 What you're saying doesn't even make any goddamn sense. 1.00

01:57:30.000 It's way more likely that there was incredibly sophisticated technology that existed and it's way more likely, in face of the evidence of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, that that shit was wiped out. 0.98

01:57:43.000 And that we're talking about a really advanced civilization that lived a long time ago, that's more advanced than we are today, but moved in a different direction. 0.73

01:57:53.000 Like, we moved in the direction of combustion engines and electronics, and they moved in some other direction, but achieved... 0.92

01:58:02.000 Maybe many thousands of years more sophistication in that direction than we have with our internal combustion engines and electricity and all the shit that we use.

01:58:11.000 And it's important for people to understand that these primitive methods that are suggested and pushed very hard by the, quote, mainstream, they don't test any of these.

01:58:19.000 Like, show me them moving, you know, a thousand ton stone on logs.

01:58:22.000 Let's see that.

01:58:24.000 They don't show, they've never cut one single box, like you said, in half, or even completed one single average-sized box, or any box.

01:58:30.000 When I say box, I'm talking about a stone block with the primitive methods.

01:58:34.000 Well, you have shown that they've moved that one 1,000-ton stone.

01:58:38.000 Right.

01:58:38.000 The Thunderstone, yeah.

01:58:39.000 But it's not nearly sophisticated, but also the way it's constructed.

01:58:46.000 It's just a rock.

01:58:47.000 It's not like this amazing obelisk that's carved out of a mountain a thousand miles away.

01:58:52.000 There's nothing like that.

01:58:54.000 There's also no evidence for it in dynastic Egypt.

01:58:56.000 That's the other thing.

01:58:57.000 The earliest parts of...

01:58:59.000 Look, the crazy thing about it is in the Old Kingdom, the mainstream archaeologists...

01:59:03.000 There's some disagreement on this, but in general, they don't give them the...

01:59:08.000 We're good to go.

01:59:24.000 It was literally human horsepower, ropes, levers, and wooden sleds.

01:59:29.000 That's it.

01:59:30.000 The Romans came along, and the Greeks, and they started using pulleys and force multipliers and stuff like that, but there's no evidence for that in the dynastic Egyptian civilization.

01:59:38.000 Have you ever had a conversation with all the information that you have at your disposal, like right off the top of your head?

01:59:42.000 Have you ever had a conversation with a conventional archaeologist that wants to argue this with you?

01:59:47.000 I mean, on email a couple times, but not in life.

01:59:50.000 What do they say on email?

01:59:54.000 I want to keep my job!

01:59:56.000 That's what they say.

01:59:57.000 I think there's a bit of that. 0.99

01:59:58.000 I don't know jack shit. 0.97

02:00:00.000 I shouldn't be an expert. 1.00

02:00:02.000 Fuck you! 1.00

02:00:03.000 I bought a BMW, you piece of shit. 1.00

02:00:05.000 You're trying to take it from me. 1.00

02:00:06.000 I'm tenured.

02:00:07.000 They say, like, oh, we know how they did it because they talk about it.

02:00:11.000 So, for example, with the giant statues, right, there's a scene on a wall.

02:00:15.000 It's called the Dutihotep image.

02:00:17.000 And it shows the Egyptians.

02:00:20.000 It's all you see these dudes in profiles.

02:00:21.000 It's an Egyptian drawing.

02:00:22.000 Definitely dynastics made the drawing. 0.92

02:00:24.000 And there's 156 dudes when you count them all up and they're pulling a statue that's tied to a...

02:00:29.000 To a wooden sled.

02:00:31.000 Now, we know this statue, there's parts of it still exist.

02:00:34.000 First, it's alabaster.

02:00:35.000 It's not granite.

02:00:36.000 Second, it weighs about 56 tons.

02:00:38.000 That's fine.

02:00:39.000 And you're dragging it on a wooden sled.

02:00:42.000 You can't use that to explain how you move a thousand-ton statue.

02:00:46.000 It's not like a sliding scale of difficulty.

02:00:49.000 There's a curve to it.

02:00:51.000 You can move...

02:00:53.000 I do grant them the ability to use primitive methods to move stuff up to like 100, 150 tons.

02:00:57.000 But once you start getting to 400, 600, 1,000 tons, material failure, wood's not an issue.

02:01:03.000 Literally, sleds would just be crushed or driven into the ground.

02:01:08.000 There's an absolute...

02:01:11.000 Scale of difficulty that gets applied to these massive objects.

02:01:14.000 Also, what are they using to cut these things out of the stone?

02:01:19.000 Well, that's a whole other mystery, particularly in the quarry.

02:01:22.000 We can see different technologies and tool marks.

02:01:25.000 We know, and this is funny, because in the New Kingdom, the 19th dynasty, there's Ramses the Great, the greatest pharaoh of all time, right?

02:01:32.000 He was quarrying granite from the middle pyramid for his own projects.

02:01:36.000 He was taking the granite casing blocks...

02:01:39.000 And the way they did it, and the way that they still do it to some extent, is they would hammer out with a flint chisel or even with steel.

02:01:45.000 You'd hammer away, you make a little groove in the granite, you smash wood into it, you make all these grooves, you wet the wood, and you split the stone, right?

02:01:52.000 Eventually you hammer out it with chisels, you wet the wood, all this pressure gets on it.

02:01:56.000 Your object is to split a piece of stone, crack it off, and then I take that piece of stone.

02:02:03.000 Yeah.

02:02:25.000 And it's gone, it's under, there's a place where you can get in under a piece of stone.

02:02:29.000 Look, they'll tell you that it's, this skull was a, it's a pounding stone of dolarite about that big and they reckon they were doing this with it.

02:02:36.000 Which is, it doesn't make sense at about 15 different levels that I do go through in autistic detail in one of these videos.

02:02:43.000 But, you know, these scoop marks extend to like the underside of rocks where you're pounding up and it's just, it doesn't make sense.

02:02:49.000 None of this fits the evidence that gets presented.

02:02:53.000 And it, There's something else at work here.

02:02:56.000 There's some other technology that's been used to remove this granite at a rapid rate.

02:03:00.000 The scoop mark in the obelisk is a whole other mystery, but we see it also on other bits of unfinished stone.

02:03:05.000 You see scoop marks on some of the blocks on the third pyramid that are unfinished.

02:03:09.000 You see them at the Assyrian, which is a massive underground granite structure that's at the Temple of Seti I with granite blocks that weigh like 90 tons.

02:03:17.000 When we were in Egypt together and we're at Aswan, they actually have a granite block with these dolerite hammers that are, you know, round dolerite black stones that are like eight, ten pounds a pop.

02:03:29.000 And you're allowed to bang away at it.

02:03:31.000 I have video of one of my videos on YouTube.

02:03:33.000 It's me doing it.

02:03:35.000 If you ever take an 8 to 10 pound weight and start banging across, first of all, it feels like you're going to get arthritis within a few minutes.

02:03:41.000 And you see that you're only chipping away particles of dust.

02:03:44.000 It is the least feasible explanation ever.

02:03:47.000 And anyone that simply picks up one of these dolerite hammers and bangs away on a piece of granite themselves will see that it's nonsense.

02:03:53.000 And not only that, those scoop marks that you mentioned, I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to type in Aswan unfinished obelisk and you see these scoops, They're symmetrical.

02:04:05.000 It doesn't make sense that that would be done by handwork.

02:04:07.000 See, that's what we're talking about.

02:04:08.000 And that's in rose granite.

02:04:09.000 That's as hard as a rock, so to speak.

02:04:12.000 I'm having a hard time understanding how that's even possible.

02:04:16.000 It looks like it was sandblasted.

02:04:19.000 It's something that's scooping the granite.

02:04:21.000 You actually have these test pits as well, like these pits that go down like 15, 20 feet.

02:04:25.000 Look at the size of that.

02:04:26.000 You have these holes around the side of it where they call them test pits because what you want to do, and this gets back to my comment about the ability to quarry granite, is the quality of granite that it takes to take an object like that or like, this is actually from a guy that went on my tour, the quality of granite that it takes to make large objects like that and a lot of the quality of granite that we see on the Giza Plateau,

02:04:49.000 you're talking 30 feet.

02:04:50.000 There's a test pit.

02:04:51.000 Yeah, that's a test bit.

02:04:52.000 They're like 30 feet inside a granite mountain.

02:04:54.000 You don't get this quality of granite at the surface level with just granite pieces lying around.

02:05:00.000 And you can go to Giza today, Fourth Dynasty, and look at the blocks of granite that were hanging off the valley temple or the pyramid temple.

02:05:08.000 And there are huge crystal occlusions in them.

02:05:10.000 Like, this stuff came from the core of Granite Mountains.

02:05:12.000 You can't say that the Dynastic and the Old Kingdom guys didn't have the ability to quarry granite.

02:05:17.000 Maybe they didn't, but whoever made those granite blocks sure as hell did, because that's where it comes from.

02:05:21.000 Real quick, this image right down here, that black rock is the Dolorite Hammer, and when Ben was just mentioning from underneath these scoop marks.

02:05:29.000 So they wanted to claim that that's how they did it, that they were banging away with this rock basically upwards.

02:05:33.000 Well, yeah, you actually get, there's a consistent line, so on the wall behind where we're standing, it's like 20 feet high, and you'll see a horizontal ridge that runs all the way down that line, underneath, and then up underneath the other piece of rock.

02:05:47.000 It's like this consistent groove.

02:05:48.000 This is exactly what I did.

02:05:50.000 He's banging on it with a dollar-eye pounder.

02:05:53.000 Nothing about this is fun.

02:05:55.000 Are they trying to say that this is how they did it?

02:05:58.000 They make you watch a video, Joe.

02:06:00.000 They indoctrinate you at this site.

02:06:02.000 It's the one site where they sit you down and make you watch a video before you're allowed to go out and look at the site.

02:06:07.000 Really?

02:06:08.000 They make you watch it?

02:06:10.000 Yeah.

02:06:10.000 There's a video that says, this is how they did it.

02:06:12.000 It was incredible.

02:06:13.000 They're insistent.

02:06:14.000 And what's wild is that if you just do it, when you do something yourself, you realize just like, I don't know how they did it, but it wasn't this.

02:06:20.000 There we go.

02:06:21.000 I filmed this.

02:06:23.000 These are wonderful gentlemen that traveled with us to Egypt back in November.

02:06:27.000 A couple of engineers there.

02:06:28.000 Yeah.

02:06:29.000 So it is possible to do that with the stone, but not feasible, and certainly not on the scale of those obelisks.

02:06:38.000 That's right.

02:06:39.000 There's been some tests that have been done, and I get into it.

02:06:42.000 And I think it's something like, I've got to say, about 70 cubic centimeters or something like that, that you can remove with that method over a solid hour.

02:06:50.000 And I think it's either 50 or 70, but it's, put it this way, it's three quarters the volume of a golf ball.

02:06:57.000 Or two-fifths the volume of a chicken egg.

02:06:59.000 That's how much material you can remove in an hour by just non-stop pounding of granite dust.

02:07:05.000 That's the best estimate we have.

02:07:06.000 So what you've got to imagine is that entire trench around this obelisk.

02:07:11.000 Bear in mind the trench is only two-thirds as deep as it needs to be to remove a square section.

02:07:15.000 But if you filled that whole thing up with golf balls...

02:07:18.000 And added another 25%.

02:07:20.000 That's the number of hours it might take to do with that method.

02:07:22.000 Go back to that past image.

02:07:23.000 Is the idea that that obelisk was left there because of the crack?

02:07:28.000 Yeah.

02:07:29.000 Supposedly what they tell you is it developed a crack across the center and they left it there.

02:07:34.000 I think the crack could be the result of later quarrying attempts.

02:07:37.000 When they found this, it was utterly buried.

02:07:40.000 There was one small section of it poking out, but the rest of it at the bottom here was under nine meters of rubble, and there were other big quarried blocks.

02:07:47.000 I actually think this could have been here long...

02:07:49.000 I think the Egyptians were using the quarry, but I think this object could have been...

02:07:53.000 They just poured stuff onto it.

02:07:55.000 It just was at the oldest part of the quarry.

02:07:56.000 And what's the wackiest explanation for these scoop marks?

02:08:02.000 Wackiest?

02:08:03.000 Yeah, like not worried whatsoever about people's interpretation of you and your ability to discern reality.

02:08:12.000 It's like some sort of molecular softening tool that just comes in and scoops it out.

02:08:16.000 Molecular softening?

02:08:19.000 Like can soften the stone, can change the molecular bonds beneath the stone because it's made up of all these granites like a composite material made up of a bunch of different types of horn blend and crystal quartz and a bunch of stuff like that and then just being able to somehow scoop it out.

02:08:35.000 I don't know.

02:08:35.000 It's as if it looks that way when you look at it.

02:08:38.000 You've got to think it's either some sonic There's something going on that is enabling them to scoop that material out of there in an effortless fashion.

02:08:46.000 These scoops, in places, it's almost as if they articulate.

02:08:50.000 We see in places, in a recent observation we made, they're not just straight down, but they bend.

02:08:54.000 So imagine a backhoe arm.

02:08:55.000 It's digging here, and it does this.

02:08:57.000 And you see that in some of these scoops.

02:08:59.000 There's an articulation to these lines.

02:09:02.000 So maybe there was a tool that was anchored, and it almost looks like it had a very flexible tip, but it was some rotating tool that just chewed out this stone.

02:09:10.000 And that's where Chris Dunn goes with it, is there may be some sort of rotating tool.

02:09:17.000 The interesting thing about the quarry also is that there is, in an area, there is drawings on the wall of the quarry where there's all these scoop marks of these ostriches, and it matches pre-dynastic drawings.

02:09:29.000 So it's almost as if there were people in that quarry making paintings on earlier Dunn scoop marks before the dynastic civilization even started.

02:09:39.000 So...

02:09:40.000 I think that Scoop Mark stuff is absolutely a part of this ancient lost civilization.

02:09:46.000 And it's one of their working areas.

02:09:48.000 There's a tremendous value in seeing unfinished work because we get to have a little bit of insight into how did this tool potentially function?

02:09:55.000 How did it work?

02:09:57.000 You have to have an open mind to kind of look at it that way.

02:10:00.000 We see the same thing on a couple of objects that are unfinished.

02:10:03.000 There's some incontrovertible evidence for machining and things like that in other objects.

02:10:08.000 It hurts my brain.

02:10:09.000 It really does because you start thinking like, what happened?

02:10:13.000 What are we talking about?

02:10:14.000 What kind of technology was available then?

02:10:17.000 When you think about a completely different branch of technology that was achieved 20,000 years ago or whatever it was, There's nothing there.

02:10:30.000 You're just spinning your wheels, just guessing.

02:10:33.000 Speaking of technology, Jamie, you should Google the Khufu ship because the largest vessel that's ever been found from ancient Egypt...

02:10:43.000 A canoe.

02:10:44.000 Basically.

02:10:45.000 And there's no other depictions.

02:10:47.000 I'm not suggesting that – no one's suggesting that this boat was used to tug and move around large stones.

02:10:53.000 But it's worth mentioning that of all the descriptions that you see – or inscriptions, excuse me – this 140-foot-long boat is the largest boat ever found. 0.97

02:11:03.000 That's a bullshit boat, too, by the way. 0.98

02:11:05.000 I've said it before, and I feel bad, but it's a shitbox in comparison. 1.00

02:11:08.000 Look at it. 0.99

02:11:08.000 It is a total shitbox. 0.99

02:11:09.000 It's such a bad design. 0.99

02:11:11.000 Look at how low.

02:11:13.000 It has very little depth in the water, so it will have very little stability.

02:11:18.000 And then it's also top-heavy. 0.99

02:11:19.000 It's like driving around in a fucking sprinter van on a racetrack. 0.99

02:11:23.000 Top right over. 1.00

02:11:25.000 Yeah, any wave at all is tipping that bullshit boat over. 0.97

02:11:28.000 And they found this right next to the pyramid, by the way, which is pretty fun. 0.98

02:11:31.000 You get the same thing here.

02:11:33.000 It's like there is a wall scene at Saqqara where they show a very small column on a boat.

02:11:39.000 Like it's a column that barely comes up to a guy's knees and it's on a boat.

02:11:43.000 It shows them shipping a small column and they go, see?

02:11:45.000 Click on that one by your cursor, Jamie.

02:11:47.000 No, the one above it to the left.

02:11:49.000 To the left.

02:11:50.000 Right there.

02:11:51.000 Above it and to the left.

02:11:51.000 You gotta use the latest pointer.

02:11:53.000 That one.

02:11:53.000 Yeah, I should have.

02:11:54.000 Imagine taking your kids on that.

02:11:56.000 Hey kids, we're going to go out into the ocean on that.

02:12:00.000 I don't know if that's an ocean boat.

02:12:02.000 Your kids would be taken from it.

02:12:03.000 Whatever.

02:12:03.000 Even a river.

02:12:04.000 Fuck out of here. 1.00

02:12:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:06.000 That's for like a pond.

02:12:07.000 Everyone's going to die.

02:12:07.000 That's for a pond.

02:12:08.000 Yeah.

02:12:09.000 That's a swan boat. 0.96

02:12:10.000 Is there any evidence for life preservers back then?

02:12:14.000 Did they have a vest?

02:12:15.000 Didn't matter because they had the hippos and crocodiles to take care of it. 0.98

02:12:18.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:12:19.000 Hippos and crocs.

02:12:19.000 I forgot about those.

02:12:20.000 But that's the point.

02:12:21.000 The point that's significant in this is that that is the largest boat that they've ever found.

02:12:26.000 And my point is that if they're going to claim that they were moving 100-ton stone blocks on barges, I just want to iterate that they've never found one and there was no inscription that shows anything large enough that would have done it.

02:12:38.000 Right.

02:12:39.000 Right, and there's also no inscriptions at all of the constructions of the pyramids.

02:12:44.000 That's right.

02:12:45.000 Zero.

02:12:45.000 Well, so there is, but not the big ones.

02:12:49.000 There's a tomb of the nobles that's over near on the west bank of the Nile at Luxor, but it shows them literally making mud bricks and building a mud brick pyramid.

02:12:58.000 Mud?

02:12:58.000 Mud bricks.

02:12:59.000 They made a lot of mud brick pyramids, but later...

02:13:03.000 Well, there was one person at one point in time that was speculating that the pyramids were made with concrete.

02:13:08.000 That they had devised some sort of a way to make concrete out of granite.

02:13:14.000 The geopolymer theory drives me nuts on a daily basis. 0.98

02:13:17.000 But it seems like total horseshit. 0.99

02:13:19.000 It is. 0.97

02:13:20.000 Especially since they know the quarries.

02:13:23.000 There's quarries right there!

02:13:24.000 There's literally holes in the ground that match the objects that we have.

02:13:27.000 Behind the middle pyramid is...

02:13:30.000 The middle pyramid, they cut it out of a hill.

02:13:32.000 They cut it into a hill.

02:13:33.000 It's crazy.

02:13:34.000 They had to cut down 40 feet at the back and put these massive tiles into the front, and they plopped a pyramid on it for some reason.

02:13:40.000 But at the back in that area where they cut the wall down, it's a quarry.

02:13:43.000 You literally see where there's...

02:13:45.000 That's where they cut big blocks of limestone off. 0.80

02:13:48.000 The little stubs from the blocks are still there.

02:13:50.000 I mean, yeah, we have quarries.

02:13:52.000 And not only that, all the blocks are different sizes.

02:13:54.000 They're not one-offs.

02:13:55.000 So if you were literally filling in geopolymer, you would have a lot that are the same size.

02:13:59.000 You'd be filling it.

02:14:01.000 And so since they're all different sizes, it's like that's not what you would have if they were filling.

02:14:06.000 What is the speculation as to why they're different sizes?

02:14:09.000 Why did they do that?

02:14:11.000 Like one of the cool things that you showed in one of your videos which shows the similarities between the construction methods of ancient Japan and Peru and Egypt is that so many of these stones, they're like these odd shapes like jigsaw puzzles and they fit in perfectly.

02:14:25.000 Polygonal.

02:14:26.000 Yeah, they fit in.

02:14:27.000 Oh, don't worry, that's just a coincidence.

02:14:29.000 These polygonal walls that are found in multiple continents around the world, the fact that there's pyramids in five continents around the world.

02:14:37.000 They say it's a coincidence.

02:14:39.000 This is a natural progression of civilization, that a pyramid's like, oh, come on, kids with blocks will make a pyramid.

02:14:47.000 Makes sense, which is why we make them today.

02:14:49.000 But if you look at comparisons of the Indonesia pyramids and the ones in Central America and Mexico, they have similarities of the strip steps that go up the middle of it.

02:14:58.000 I use the analogy of skyscrapers, that we have skyscrapers in any major city around the world, and they're all the same based on that, yeah, you have steel and concrete and glass, but they're all different.

02:15:08.000 You have a different architect here, and they look a little different, but it's still the same thing.

02:15:12.000 But is it really feasible to say or is it a coincidence that they just happened to start building pyramids on multiple continents around the world or these polygonal walls that are – whether it's from Peru, Egypt, places in Italy, Greece.

02:15:25.000 There's a pyramid in Greece.

02:15:26.000 I don't know if you saw that in the video.

02:15:28.000 Yeah.

02:15:28.000 Let's look – pull up your video.

02:15:30.000 Tell Jamie what that video is just so we can see some of the images that compare these polygonal walls.

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:35.000 If I was Elon Musk, you know what I would do?

02:15:37.000 I'd hire someone to make a pyramid.

02:15:38.000 I'm like, let me see if you can do it. 0.99

02:15:40.000 Who's the best motherfuckers around? 1.00

02:15:42.000 I'm going to throw a billion dollars at this project. 0.99

02:15:44.000 I bought Twitter for 44. Might as well put a billion into it.

02:15:48.000 Make me a pyramid, bitch. 1.00

02:15:49.000 Make it as accurate as the... 1.00

02:15:52.000 Or I want my fucking money back. 1.00

02:15:54.000 Shit better line up. 0.99

02:15:56.000 I think it'd be a wonderful, by the way, that Joe tweeted it this morning, so it'll be the first one that he tweeted. 0.98

02:16:01.000 It makes it easy to find.

02:16:02.000 Yeah, I was tweeting it when I was watching.

02:16:03.000 I was like, people need to watch this.

02:16:05.000 This is nuts.

02:16:06.000 I appreciate that.

02:16:08.000 What was I going to say?

02:16:09.000 I had something.

02:16:09.000 South American polygonal walls?

02:16:11.000 I mean, it's literally the most difficult way to do it.

02:16:14.000 That's the crazy thing.

02:16:15.000 It's like, this is not how you solve the building a wall problem.

02:16:18.000 Like, if you say they got to a different, just independently, like, making these complex polygonal walls, that's not how you solve that problem.

02:16:25.000 Is there any speculation to what the advantage of polygonal walls would be?

02:16:29.000 Earthquakes.

02:16:29.000 Well, they say that.

02:16:31.000 It's definitely true. 0.57

02:16:32.000 Like, so, yes, you don't have a single line of vector of force, so it won't tip over, but...

02:16:37.000 Yeah.

02:16:53.000 At Giza that are still standing.

02:16:55.000 It's like, they've all been through earthquakes.

02:16:57.000 Both types are still here.

02:16:59.000 I mean, it's difficult to say that, oh, they just made it that way to make it earthquake-proof.

02:17:02.000 I'm like, half that's just here is still standing up.

02:17:04.000 Like, it went through earthquakes.

02:17:05.000 It's fine.

02:17:06.000 So here you see one from Egypt, one from, go back, one from Mexico, and one from Cambodia.

02:17:15.000 And what is the explanation for the ones in Cambodia?

02:17:18.000 Do they know who built those and why?

02:17:22.000 That's a good question.

02:17:23.000 I'd have to refresh my notes on that.

02:17:24.000 They go more modern, like more modern ancient cultures, I guess.

02:17:29.000 Nothing vastly ancient.

02:17:29.000 They're like 1,500 years old.

02:17:30.000 They're not supposed to be 4,500 years old or something like that.

02:17:33.000 And the reason why this is significant is because if the Great Pyramid is 4,500 years old, my argument is that there are connections across the oceans that are not supposed to exist.

02:17:42.000 Because according to everything, they're adamant.

02:17:44.000 It wasn't until Christopher Columbus, 1492, sailed the ocean blue.

02:17:47.000 But yet there's evidence that goes back more than 1,000 years prior that suggests...

02:17:51.000 Press play, Jamie.

02:17:52.000 Just press play so we can see some of these images because they go pretty rapid fire.

02:17:55.000 And it's really, really well done, this video.

02:17:58.000 And I'm glad that you gave credit to all the people that helped you out in that too.

02:18:03.000 Yeah, there's the polygonal walls.

02:18:05.000 There's this nub phenomena.

02:18:07.000 There's these similarities across numerous continents.

02:18:10.000 Yeah.

02:18:11.000 It's really wild stuff because it's so obvious that...

02:18:17.000 Somehow or another, these people had to be in communication with each other or sharing information or had carried information from other places.

02:18:26.000 Right.

02:18:26.000 You know what?

02:18:26.000 This is the same video that has the Egypt-Japan sarcophagus similarity.

02:18:31.000 I don't remember if it's earlier in the video or later in the video, but if you skip around...

02:18:36.000 And what part of Greece is that?

02:18:38.000 It's not Athens.

02:18:39.000 I'd have to double check.

02:18:41.000 I made this video like three years ago, so I'd have to double check.

02:18:43.000 I haven't looked at this in a while, to be honest with you.

02:18:45.000 Well, there's also the weirdness of the Acropolis and the Parthenon, right?

02:18:50.000 Like, that the Acropolis was built on the Parthenon, but like, what?

02:18:54.000 Who built that?

02:18:55.000 Yeah.

02:18:56.000 They don't even talk about it.

02:18:57.000 Right. 1.00

02:18:58.000 Look at that fucking... 1.00

02:19:00.000 That's Saxe-Huaman. 1.00

02:19:01.000 Yeah, this is Peru.

02:19:02.000 That's in the streets of Cusco.

02:19:04.000 Is it really Saxe-Huaman?

02:19:05.000 That sounds like a hot chick. 1.00

02:19:06.000 Saxe-Huaman.

02:19:08.000 Saxe-Huaman.

02:19:09.000 Yeah, it's Italy.

02:19:10.000 Look, they have them in Italy, too.

02:19:12.000 Yep, these polygonal walls, you can find them in Japan, Peru.

02:19:15.000 Yeah, Easter Island.

02:19:16.000 And who do they think built these in Italy?

02:19:20.000 A lot of it's attributed to the Romans in the same way that, you know, Baalbek is all attributed to the Romans.

02:19:26.000 Right.

02:19:27.000 Which doesn't make any sense.

02:19:28.000 Like, not the foundation of it, the giant stuff.

02:19:30.000 The trilithon stones.

02:19:31.000 Yeah, trilithon stones.

02:19:33.000 Yeah, eight, nine hundred tons.

02:19:34.000 Yeah, three of them, nine hundred tons each.

02:19:36.000 Look at that.

02:19:37.000 It's just so strange because it's such a strange way of constructing things and yet it exists all over the world.

02:19:43.000 Right.

02:19:43.000 It's actually the most difficult way to construct something.

02:19:45.000 It is.

02:19:45.000 And we're looking at this after thousands of years.

02:19:48.000 Right.

02:19:48.000 Who knows how many earthquakes, weather erosion.

02:19:51.000 Look how good the Peru one is, though.

02:19:52.000 That's amazing.

02:19:53.000 Some of the details in these are astonishing.

02:19:56.000 These little tiny notches, but it's just matched throughout.

02:19:59.000 It's matched on all the sides of the stone, and it's not just surface level either.

02:20:03.000 It goes all the way through the mating surfaces of the stones.

02:20:07.000 This is the valley temple in Egypt.

02:20:10.000 God, that's so wild.

02:20:11.000 That's the Assyrian temple.

02:20:14.000 I can just tell by like...

02:20:15.000 Look at the Japan one. 0.93

02:20:16.000 Now most people aren't even aware of this one from Japan.

02:20:19.000 And like, when do they date these Japanese structures?

02:20:24.000 I'd have to double-check.

02:20:26.000 I know they're accredited to be in some castle by some guy.

02:20:29.000 I'd have to double-check, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess 1,000 to 1,500 years.

02:20:33.000 Go back just a little bit, Jamie.

02:20:35.000 But I think they're probably older.

02:20:36.000 The Japan one, not this one.

02:20:37.000 Right there, bam, stop.

02:20:38.000 Look at the size of that one stone.

02:20:40.000 Yeah, probably 500 tons, I bet.

02:20:42.000 400 probably. 1.00

02:20:43.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:20:44.000 Yeah, around there. 0.99

02:20:45.000 Just eyeballing it.

02:20:46.000 I've been doing this long enough.

02:20:48.000 I mean, look at that gentleman who's standing there.

02:20:50.000 Depends how deep it is, I guess, but yeah, it's a giant piece of stone.

02:20:54.000 And imagine him pushing that thing.

02:20:58.000 Logs and olive oil. 0.99

02:20:59.000 Who fucking put that? 0.99

02:21:00.000 It's above the other ones, right? 0.97

02:21:02.000 It's not even the one that's on the bottom.

02:21:05.000 Yeah.

02:21:06.000 How?

02:21:07.000 Let's see that sarcophagus compared to the one in Egypt.

02:21:10.000 I'm not sure what part of the video.

02:21:11.000 And look at the one above it and to the right.

02:21:12.000 Oh yeah.

02:21:13.000 God.

02:21:14.000 Oh, I should use this.

02:21:15.000 Look at that one there.

02:21:16.000 That one and that one.

02:21:19.000 Immense.

02:21:20.000 I mean, it's just so incredible.

02:21:21.000 Keep going a little bit more.

02:21:23.000 It can't be too far off.

02:21:25.000 A little bit.

02:21:28.000 It's worth seeing.

02:21:29.000 Keep going too far, I think.

02:21:30.000 Yeah, I think.

02:21:34.000 Because when people are about to see this, it is such an unbelievable similarity.

02:21:39.000 And again, ancient Japan and ancient Egypt are not supposed to have any type of contact whatsoever.

02:21:45.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:21:46.000 It may have been early in the video, I'm not sure.

02:21:48.000 Just keep going.

02:21:49.000 It may have been one of the earlier parts.

02:21:51.000 I don't believe so.

02:21:51.000 I watched it today.

02:21:53.000 I think it was later.

02:21:55.000 Might be able to search for it, like, Japanese sarcophagus lid or something.

02:21:58.000 You need to have those little things where you can just jump to it.

02:22:01.000 Some people do that in those videos.

02:22:03.000 Oh, this is a question. 0.99

02:22:05.000 Why does he have a fucking watch on? 1.00

02:22:06.000 Go back. 1.00

02:22:07.000 Isn't that a watch?

02:22:09.000 How dare you?

02:22:10.000 That's impossible.

02:22:12.000 Stop. 1.00

02:22:12.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

02:22:13.000 It's jewelry. 1.00

02:22:14.000 It looks like a watch.

02:22:15.000 I mean, maybe it's jewelry, but it's literally on his wrist, and it's a circle, and it's with a band.

02:22:22.000 Right.

02:22:23.000 I mean, what is that?

02:22:24.000 Is that a sundial? 0.99

02:22:26.000 What the fuck is on his wrist? 0.99

02:22:28.000 The mini antikythera mechanism. 1.00

02:22:29.000 I mean, look, it looks like my watch.

02:22:31.000 It does.

02:22:32.000 It does.

02:22:32.000 That's crazy.

02:22:33.000 A lot of people, I saw many, many comments of people saying the same thing.

02:22:37.000 That's a watch.

02:22:38.000 But, you know, of course, the explanation is like, of course not.

02:22:41.000 Just jewelry.

02:22:41.000 Nothing to see here.

02:22:42.000 But it does look like it, doesn't it?

02:22:44.000 Well, it just makes sense that if they developed weapons and they developed clothing and they developed shelters and then they figured out mechanisms, if they had the sophistication to be able to construct these buildings, why wouldn't they have the sophistication to be able to construct a watch?

02:23:02.000 An automatic watch.

02:23:04.000 If you want to talk about ancient technology, speaking of this, like on the left, that Trident, many accredited it to being originated from the Vajra.

02:23:11.000 And did you see Elon Musk's bedside table picture that he put on Twitter?

02:23:17.000 Yes, I did, but I don't remember.

02:23:19.000 Was there a trident in there?

02:23:20.000 Look, the Vajra, which comes from the trident, or the trident comes from that.

02:23:24.000 He had that in the lower left corner of the picture.

02:23:27.000 If you were to Google Ilama's bedside photo, lower left corner, that is the symbol that comes from ancient Hindu that is supposed to be the most powerful thing in the entire universe.

02:23:38.000 Hmm.

02:23:38.000 This is a staged photo.

02:23:40.000 I don't know if Elon Musk is trolling or if he's literally...

02:23:43.000 Because he's been talking about that he thinks that his life could be in jeopardy.

02:23:46.000 He's going against the grain and all this freedom of speech stuff.

02:23:49.000 And I don't...

02:23:50.000 See, bottom left corner.

02:23:51.000 Yeah, click on that.

02:23:52.000 The Buddhism ritual object.

02:23:54.000 If you Google the Vajra, the A-J-R-A, that would... 0.97

02:23:57.000 It's an ancient symbol.

02:23:59.000 Look how he has a cosplay gun and caffeine-free Diet Coke.

02:24:02.000 I don't know what that's about.

02:24:03.000 He needs to get rid of those Diet Cokes.

02:24:04.000 Oh.

02:24:05.000 Well, he likes it.

02:24:07.000 No.

02:24:08.000 No?

02:24:09.000 Awful.

02:24:10.000 Why?

02:24:10.000 You like that?

02:24:11.000 What do you mean?

02:24:12.000 Like Diet Coke?

02:24:13.000 Yeah.

02:24:13.000 I don't mind Diet Coke.

02:24:14.000 Yeah?

02:24:15.000 You drink Diet Coke?

02:24:15.000 I've drank Diet Coke before.

02:24:17.000 You're into that artificial sweetener scene?

02:24:19.000 I'm not worried about it.

02:24:20.000 No?

02:24:20.000 No.

02:24:21.000 When I talk to a nutritionist, I don't think it's really that big of a deal.

02:24:24.000 Depends on how much you're drinking. 0.79

02:24:26.000 I mean, it looks like Elon's drinking a shit ton of it.

02:24:28.000 Because he's got the stains on the thing.

02:24:31.000 Yeah, he's drank four of them.

02:24:33.000 And they're caffeine-free, which is weird.

02:24:35.000 Yeah.

02:24:35.000 So between that George Washington pistol and the fact...

02:24:38.000 This is a staged photo.

02:24:39.000 That's not a George Washington pistol.

02:24:40.000 That's a cosplay pistol from a video game.

02:24:42.000 No, the one above it.

02:24:42.000 The musket.

02:24:43.000 Oh, the one above it.

02:24:44.000 This is a staged photo.

02:24:46.000 So the fact that he has that vajra in the lower left corner...

02:24:50.000 I wonder – this is conspiracy, which I'm all into – is he essentially sending a shot off the bow to the people who he thinks are going after him, which is that I have knowledge of something involving – because here we are.

02:25:01.000 We have Randall Carlson.

02:25:02.000 You bring him back on.

02:25:03.000 There's all this speculation that there has been a limitless energy device that has come from the ancients that has been essentially redeveloped.

02:25:11.000 And then in a short period of time, you have Elon Musk posting this picture while he's also talking about that he believes that his life could be at jeopardy.

02:25:17.000 He's taking certain security precautions.

02:25:19.000 This is a staged photo.

02:25:21.000 It makes no sense.

02:25:22.000 November 28, 2022, my bedside table.

02:25:24.000 This is at 3.48 a.m.

02:25:27.000 What is this?

02:25:28.000 Either he's trolling, and maybe, or is he trying...

02:25:32.000 Why would he put that Vajra right in the lower left corner?

02:25:34.000 The symbol that means that other people can correlate with a limitless free energy technology that may have once existed, and that's where the trident comes from.

02:25:42.000 So I don't understand, how was the Vajra, how did it supposedly work?

02:25:46.000 Oh, that is a whole other thing.

02:25:48.000 Like, that I couldn't explain, but it's...

02:25:50.000 But it's supposed to represent limitless energy?

02:25:53.000 Some have said that.

02:25:54.000 What it does represent in Hindu culture is the most powerful weapon and device of the universe. 0.99

02:26:01.000 Do you know any more about it, Ben?

02:26:02.000 They're a bunch of string.

02:26:03.000 No, I don't.

02:26:04.000 I know this is the other stuff for the handbag.

02:26:06.000 I was going to ask, can I pee while you guys talk about that?

02:26:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:26:09.000 I have to pee, too, actually.

02:26:10.000 All right, let's pause.

02:26:11.000 Really bad.

02:26:11.000 You guys go pee.

02:26:12.000 All right.

02:26:13.000 We'll be right back.

02:26:15.000 And we're back.

02:26:17.000 Are we back?

02:26:18.000 We're back.

02:26:19.000 That was excellent.

02:26:21.000 Relief.

02:26:21.000 Alright, so where were we?

02:26:23.000 Uh, history's bullshit. 0.99

02:26:24.000 That's right. 0.99

02:26:25.000 And Elon Musk has all the secrets.

02:26:26.000 He's got something.

02:26:28.000 He's got some secrets.

02:26:30.000 Yeah, I mean, he obviously felt very compelled to buy Twitter.

02:26:35.000 I mean, it's not like...

02:26:37.000 It's not—44 billion dollars is a lot of goddamn money, and he overpaid for it, but he felt like there's a need to have some sort of an uncensored distribution of information, or at least un-government censored. 0.64

02:26:50.000 This is why I'm such a fan of him. 0.90

02:26:52.000 Anyone at this point in time that is an advocate for free speech, I'm on your side.

02:26:57.000 We live in a wild time.

02:26:58.000 Anyone with their eyes that's paying attention sees that there's people controlling information.

02:27:03.000 And throughout history, this has been proven time and time again to lead to tyranny when you stop people from sharing things.

02:27:10.000 So I'm 38 years old, and growing up, I remember back in the day, people could say whatever they wanted.

02:27:15.000 Free speech was real.

02:27:16.000 You're allowed to have it.

02:27:17.000 Worst case scenario, people ridicule you.

02:27:18.000 And everything was fine.

02:27:20.000 And now we're entering this age where things are being called dangerous, like ancient apocalypse.

02:27:25.000 That's dangerous misinformation.

02:27:26.000 It's like, no, the only thing dangerous is stopping people from having a voice.

02:27:29.000 Well also when you start attributing when you put words on that like racism and you start putting those kind of accusations towards so if you watch that that special that the series and you you say oh This is racist. 1.00

02:27:45.000 You're a fucking idiot. 1.00

02:27:46.000 I mean, it's really that simple or you're a dangerous asshole who wants to change with the reality of what this guy is actually talking about and Right? 1.00

02:27:55.000 Throughout history, anyone, whether it's the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Maoists, and everyone else, anyone that's ever censored people, the people who censor other people, they're always the bad guys historically. 0.99

02:28:06.000 Always.

02:28:07.000 Always.

02:28:07.000 100% of the time.

02:28:08.000 And it always leads into a bunch of people getting hurt, and it's like rinse, cycle, repeat throughout history.

02:28:13.000 But this is one of the first times where educated, progressive people think of themselves as compassionate.

02:28:19.000 Are advocating censorship, which is so bizarre.

02:28:23.000 It's the same people, actually.

02:28:24.000 Same people, same argument that they made three years ago against him.

02:28:28.000 The Journal of American Archaeology, or the Society of American Archaeology, dedicated 27 pages in a journal three years ago to attacking Hancock for his book America Before.

02:28:38.000 Yeah.

02:28:38.000 Same accusations, same language, same people, and then I think what happened was when his show comes out and it's got You're There, I think Jordan Peterson was in one of the clips, and I think it triggered some of the more maybe left-leaning publications to go and look for what are the arguments being made against this,

02:28:58.000 and then all those talking points get amplified and boosted and it becomes this much bigger thing.

02:29:03.000 Well, they're just terrified that they're losing control of the narrative.

02:29:06.000 I mean, that's the big part of it.

02:29:08.000 And that's the same problem they have with this podcast, the same problem they have with a lot of things that can become very popular that they can't control. 0.98

02:29:15.000 They just hate the fact that people are just able to discuss things openly and freely without them being in control of it and getting all their greasy fucking fingers all over stuff. 0.98

02:29:23.000 Right. 0.97

02:29:24.000 It's unfortunate in more ways than one because historically it always leads to like a terrible abyss of oblivion and they never stop.

02:29:34.000 That's the thing.

02:29:34.000 Once they start going after tyrannical control, historically it seems like it just never ever stops until someone stops them.

02:29:41.000 Yeah, which is scary.

02:29:43.000 It is.

02:29:43.000 It is scary.

02:29:45.000 But the reality is that I look at this topic, you know, there's a niche community there into the ancients.

02:29:50.000 And whether it's archaeologists that disagree with everything we just said, or other people that agree with everything Graham Hancock says, This is a win-win for everybody.

02:29:58.000 I think this is an opportunity for people to unite under a common interest and then start exploring these topics.

02:30:03.000 For example, if I had won the lottery, I would have hired a bunch of archaeologists that are the biggest naysayers of anything that's alternative and be like, hey, here's a salary.

02:30:14.000 Let's get some blocks and let's start cutting this stuff and moving it and just experiment.

02:30:18.000 It's a win-win for everybody.

02:30:20.000 We'll learn something new.

02:30:21.000 They wouldn't engage.

02:30:21.000 They wouldn't engage with you.

02:30:23.000 I mean, that's one of the problems that Graham has with his detractors.

02:30:26.000 They say they'll debate him, but then when he offers them to debate him, they scurry away and hide.

02:30:31.000 Right.

02:30:32.000 Because I think they all kind of know, and I don't think they're necessary anymore.

02:30:36.000 Thanks to people like you guys, Who have really just examined all of the actual evidence without any biases or any sort of ulterior motive and any narrative that you're trying to promote.

02:30:48.000 You're just looking at it going, what is it?

02:30:50.000 This is wild stuff.

02:30:52.000 And because of the fact that you guys exist on these platforms like YouTube, where you can get millions and millions of views, I mean, there are no mainstream archaeologists that are getting millions of views on their stuff.

02:31:05.000 It's just...

02:31:06.000 That's why they're better, envious, and jealous.

02:31:08.000 It does drive them crazy.

02:31:09.000 They actually talk about it in some of these articles.

02:31:11.000 It should. 0.99

02:31:12.000 They suck. 1.00

02:31:13.000 You suck at distribution of information, and you're ignoring the most interesting stuff. 0.99

02:31:19.000 When you're looking at the evidence of Atlantis, or if you're looking at these similar construction methods that exist all over the world, like how? 0.98

02:31:28.000 What the fuck is the real truth here?

02:31:31.000 This is what's so interesting. 0.98

02:31:32.000 So a lot of people criticize us or Graham Hancock, like, you're not archaeologists, you're not historians, you can't be trusted.

02:31:37.000 But I'm like, having outside eyes come in is so important. 0.91

02:31:41.000 Let me give you a quick little example I shared with Ben the other day.

02:31:43.000 So I came from Target, I was investigating fraud with them, busting employees that stole from the company.

02:31:48.000 And there was a story that one of the executives spoke in front of us when I was an intern.

02:31:53.000 And at that time, this is like 2013, uh, Welcome to my show!

02:32:46.000 I'm convinced that any...

02:32:50.000 I think?

02:33:16.000 Here's what's really cool.

02:33:18.000 No one's paying attention to this archaeologist.

02:33:20.000 There's so many more people that are watching the show.

02:33:23.000 Millions of people are watching the show.

02:33:24.000 And how many thousands of people have heard the arguments these archaeologists are having?

02:33:29.000 It's a blip.

02:33:31.000 It's literally like they're yelling into the abyss and no one's listening to them.

02:33:35.000 The nature of the discourse has changed in a lot of ways.

02:33:39.000 It has.

02:33:41.000 Look, human beings have accumulated knowledge and information over time, and the idea that there's gatekeepers to knowledge and information, that they have to come from these accredited universities, Yeah.

02:33:56.000 Yeah.

02:34:09.000 The actual amount of information is so overwhelming.

02:34:13.000 The idea that one group controls the access to information or what is legitimate about that information, it's not true anymore because there's so many random people that are experts and that have accumulated very Vast amounts of data,

02:34:30.000 and like you, you can just pull it off the top of your head.

02:34:32.000 You don't even have any fucking notes you're drawing from, and you're talking about all this different stuff. 0.98

02:34:36.000 I mean, how many archaeologists can do that? 0.98

02:34:38.000 And how many archaeologists can do it about these very specific aspects of this stuff, which is so confusing.

02:34:46.000 It's not being discussed in the mainstream.

02:34:48.000 Right.

02:34:48.000 I am optimistic that I see comments on my channel, and you get it as well.

02:34:53.000 There's people saying, I'm going to go study archaeology so I can explore these alternative topics.

02:34:57.000 I think there's going to be a new generation.

02:34:58.000 I'm sure there's a lot of that.

02:34:58.000 I'm sure there is.

02:34:59.000 I've been contacted by students, people that I think what's happening is that because this stuff is out there and it's becoming more mainstream, they're being forced to deal with the arguments that are being raised by guys like Graham.

02:35:11.000 You have to go and account for the evidence.

02:35:13.000 You can't just dismiss it.

02:35:14.000 Which is kind of the prior generation of the old guys and the old guard now.

02:35:19.000 That's a lot of the approach they've taken.

02:35:21.000 But I'm hopeful also that, yeah, because some of these students have said who will be the establishment academics of the future and potentially also in charge of the textbooks and whatever the official story even means.

02:35:33.000 Yeah, the old guard will die off.

02:35:34.000 They will.

02:35:35.000 That's really how it is with everything.

02:35:37.000 Yeah, science advances one funeral at a time.

02:35:39.000 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

02:35:41.000 It's sad.

02:35:42.000 It's not, though.

02:35:43.000 It's kind of fun.

02:35:44.000 It's kind of hilarious.

02:35:45.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really amazing.

02:35:47.000 It's amazing that there's access to people like you now, that you guys have these platforms like YouTube where you can just put these videos out, and your videos have fucking millions of views, and so do yours.

02:35:58.000 It's amazing.

02:35:59.000 It's really cool.

02:36:00.000 I'm very grateful.

02:36:02.000 And I want to give a plug real quick to Rumble.

02:36:04.000 I've been working with Rumble.

02:36:05.000 I've asked anyone who's following me, go follow me on Rumble.

02:36:08.000 I've been working and talking to their team over there.

02:36:11.000 And these people are serious about promoting free speech and having alternatives that are being suppressed elsewhere on their platform.

02:36:18.000 And so I am about free speech.

02:36:20.000 I don't care...

02:36:21.000 If people disagree with someone, that's fantastic.

02:36:23.000 But don't censor people.

02:36:25.000 So, all that said, YouTube's been very good to me, and I want to be on there forever.

02:36:29.000 But, hey, I'll go.

02:36:30.000 I need to diversify, and I encourage anyone that's into my work to follow me there.

02:36:34.000 Ben, you're on there as well, right?

02:36:35.000 I am on Rumble as well, yep.

02:36:36.000 Yeah, no, I think it's fantastic that Rumble exists.

02:36:39.000 I mean, the Russell brand is over there now.

02:36:41.000 Yep, yep.

02:36:41.000 There's so many journalists who've started to do stuff over there.

02:36:45.000 It's great.

02:36:45.000 I love it.

02:36:46.000 Because I can channel Adam Curry for a minute and talk about when you talk about the internet and access to information outside of establishments.

02:36:52.000 One of the dangers I do see in it is the fact that we now, the internet kind of gets distilled down to these portals.

02:37:06.000 Yes.

02:37:14.000 All of that for a long time.

02:37:16.000 And it's just like, that control of that information is eventually going to come down to the stuff we're seeing with the Twitterphiles now, where it's like, hey, we need to de-amplify these things.

02:37:25.000 Twitterphiles are wild.

02:37:26.000 They are wild.

02:37:27.000 Unbelievably wild.

02:37:28.000 It's wild.

02:37:28.000 The stuff that Schellenberger's released, and Matt Taibbi, and all these different people that have gone over, and Barry Weiss, gone over this data.

02:37:36.000 Crazy. 0.98

02:37:37.000 The government has had their fucking greasy fingers in all aspects of it. 1.00

02:37:43.000 Yep. 0.99

02:37:43.000 What have the conspiracies been wrong about in the last few years? 0.99

02:37:47.000 Well, Elon was joking around about that on one of the podcasts that he was on, where it's like every single one of them was right.

02:37:54.000 Every single conspiracy theory about shadow banning, about, you know...

02:37:58.000 Lying about information, all of it.

02:38:01.000 It's got to the point now.

02:38:02.000 Six months is the difference.

02:38:03.000 Yeah.

02:38:04.000 It's at the point now.

02:38:05.000 You can figure out so quickly on who is not doing any research whatsoever.

02:38:09.000 And this will sound crass, but I'm just going to say it because I know it's the truth.

02:38:12.000 Most people are getting their news and information while they're sitting on the toilet, scrolling through social media, and just scanning headlines.

02:38:19.000 Yes.

02:38:19.000 And that's it.

02:38:20.000 Including me.

02:38:22.000 My wife always accuses me of that because I'll send her something.

02:38:25.000 She goes, did you read it?

02:38:26.000 I go, no, you read it.

02:38:27.000 I sent you the headlines.

02:38:29.000 Do you not see the headlines?

02:38:30.000 Headlines.

02:38:31.000 Terrifying.

02:38:32.000 Read that.

02:38:32.000 Tell me what happens.

02:38:33.000 Yeah.

02:38:34.000 It's at the point now people have to start, you know, this is what you do.

02:38:37.000 And like, I remember during, I hate to bring it up, but the COVID stuff.

02:38:40.000 And I remember watching every, when it was first kicking off and they were doing the White House press conferences every single day.

02:38:44.000 And I was listening to every single one of them.

02:38:46.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 And I started to see extremely quickly that all these – Trump would say something and then all these headlines would show up minutes later and contradict what he was saying.

02:38:54.000 And I'm like, oh, this is awesome.

02:38:56.000 Everyone's going to see very quickly that like the mainstream with their little headlines are so inaccurate.

02:39:01.000 That's not what happened.

02:39:03.000 That's not what happened at all.

02:39:04.000 In fact, what it showed me is that most people are getting all their information from mainstream headlines.

02:39:08.000 Yeah.

02:39:09.000 Well, they counted on that, right?

02:39:11.000 I mean, when CNN was going after me for taking horse dewormer, they were counting on this idea that they had this control of the narrative.

02:39:19.000 But they didn't understand that I had already achieved like an escape velocity by that time, where I had 10 times as many people as them. 0.99

02:39:25.000 So I was like, what the fuck are these people doing? 0.97

02:39:27.000 And that it just discredited them further. 0.99

02:39:29.000 Right.

02:39:30.000 And literally was doing the opposite they would hope it was doing.

02:39:35.000 Right.

02:39:35.000 Well, it's because there's a difference between true and false, right and wrong, good versus evil.

02:39:40.000 I genuinely believe this.

02:39:41.000 And truth always comes out.

02:39:43.000 People can be had.

02:39:45.000 It's easy to lie and fool people.

02:39:47.000 But if you continue to lie, that one lie creates five more and those five lies create 25. And then before you know it, it's out of control and you can't keep up with it.

02:39:56.000 Yeah, but counter to that as the Soviet Union or what's currently Russia right now.

02:40:00.000 If you have control of the narrative, you can hold on to that control. 0.98

02:40:03.000 For a long fucking time. 0.97

02:40:05.000 And this is why Elon is so dangerous to the establishment. 0.98

02:40:08.000 Because all of a sudden, you have one major platform that's not controlled by the government. 0.98

02:40:15.000 In fact, when Joe Biden was tweeting shit that's inaccurate, Twitter was fact-checking him. 0.95

02:40:20.000 Like, actually, that's not true at all. 1.00

02:40:21.000 This is what you said about the economy's bullshit. 0.99

02:40:24.000 And this, like, ah! 0.99

02:40:26.000 The government's deleting tweets, which is crazy to see.

02:40:29.000 It's disturbing.

02:40:30.000 Let's give Elon Musk a shout-out.

02:40:32.000 The best thing I've ever done was pay my $8, and now it's $11 a month for my blue checkmark on Twitter.

02:40:37.000 I've exploded on there since.

02:40:39.000 I'm getting far more visibility.

02:40:41.000 Best move ever.

02:40:42.000 Freedom of speech.

02:40:43.000 Thank you, Elon.

02:40:43.000 I will gladly, gladly send you another $11 next month.

02:40:46.000 When he even started talking about buying Twitter, Just in the process of that, I think they must have released a bunch of shadow bans. 0.81

02:40:57.000 And my shit went up 900,000 Twitter subscribers or Twitter followers in like a couple of weeks. 0.98

02:41:04.000 Wow. 1.00

02:41:04.000 I was like, this is nuts! 1.00

02:41:06.000 Yeah.

02:41:06.000 And now it goes up organically.

02:41:08.000 I'm like, oh, this is what it's...

02:41:09.000 Normal.

02:41:10.000 Yeah, it's normal.

02:41:11.000 This is like what it's supposed to be.

02:41:12.000 But during the time, I was dangerous.

02:41:14.000 Yeah.

02:41:15.000 Dangerous.

02:41:15.000 And then me...

02:41:16.000 You gotta wrap me.

02:41:17.000 Hold him down.

02:41:18.000 He's dangerous.

02:41:20.000 Who allowed this?

02:41:21.000 The funniest part is all those people that dropped $5,000, $10,000, $15,000.

02:41:26.000 I have even heard of numbers of $20,000 that people paid for a blue checkmark just a few years ago.

02:41:31.000 Really?

02:41:32.000 Yeah.

02:41:32.000 People were buying their way in.

02:41:33.000 They were bribing people?

02:41:34.000 Yeah.

02:41:35.000 Who were they bribing?

02:41:35.000 The people that worked there.

02:41:36.000 They were making money on the side.

02:41:38.000 The same thing was going down to Instagram, and then apparently Zuckerberg, he shut that down.

02:41:43.000 Which, by the way, why...

02:41:45.000 I don't care about social media, but I don't have a blue checkmark on Instagram, and I don't know what it's going to take to get one, because this would allow me to DM people.

02:41:52.000 Yeah?

02:41:52.000 Yeah.

02:41:53.000 Contact Zuck.

02:41:54.000 Zuck, yeah.

02:41:55.000 Maybe he can get me off the shadow band list, too.

02:41:57.000 There's something going on.

02:41:58.000 I used to get way more subscribers per day.

02:42:01.000 Something happened a year and a half ago.

02:42:03.000 It happened to me, too.

02:42:05.000 I just hit a wall.

02:42:07.000 The conspiracy is that it's a shadow ban, but there's also a possibility that it's favoring certain things like reels.

02:42:16.000 Right.

02:42:16.000 It seems to favor reels now more than everything else, which is very odd.

02:42:21.000 Do you want to know why?

02:42:22.000 Why?

02:42:23.000 So they are – let me word this carefully.

02:42:26.000 The bad people, the evils, the dictators, the rulers, the elites.

02:42:30.000 Who?

02:42:30.000 This is – they are conditioning the human mind to be far more of a short attention span.

02:42:39.000 So like TikTok as an example.

02:42:40.000 Even more.

02:42:40.000 Right.

02:42:41.000 You are, people can't even focus on anything that's longer than a minute or even 10 seconds.

02:42:47.000 They're scrolling through and they're not able, it is conditioning people to pay attention less.

02:42:52.000 I don't think it's an accident.

02:42:53.000 You could just, look, it could be an easy way of making money and that might be the most simple thing.

02:42:56.000 I think it's an easy way of making money because here's the counter to that.

02:43:00.000 This podcast, right?

02:43:02.000 It's hours long.

02:43:04.000 Hours.

02:43:05.000 Yeah, but it's the most watched.

02:43:07.000 Yes.

02:43:07.000 Yeah.

02:43:08.000 But it's hours long. 1.00

02:43:09.000 And a lot of people watch the whole fucking thing. 1.00

02:43:11.000 Right. 1.00

02:43:12.000 Or listen to the whole fucking thing. 1.00

02:43:13.000 Like, it's a lot. 0.99

02:43:15.000 So it's like the opposite of what we thought.

02:43:18.000 We thought that people aren't interested in learning things.

02:43:20.000 They're not interested in exploring new ideas.

02:43:22.000 They're not interested in long-form conversations.

02:43:24.000 They want things to be quick.

02:43:26.000 Right.

02:43:26.000 Like, that was when I first started doing it.

02:43:27.000 People were going, you got to edit this.

02:43:29.000 I was like, why?

02:43:30.000 Right.

02:43:30.000 Like, it's too long, so don't listen.

02:43:32.000 Like, I was like, this is what I'm interested in.

02:43:34.000 I'm just gonna do what I'm interested in.

02:43:36.000 And it worked.

02:43:37.000 Sure did.

02:43:38.000 But it's the opposite of the narrative.

02:43:40.000 The narrative is everything has to be 10 seconds long, tick-tock, keep going, and we're just turning people into zombies.

02:43:45.000 Well, then that goes back, it verifies what I'm saying, or validates, so it's like, true and false.

02:43:50.000 If they're gonna put something out in short, you know, it's not working.

02:43:53.000 Right.

02:43:54.000 I mean, it might be working in some capacity on some people, but what's this say?

02:43:58.000 New report highlights the decline of Facebook and Instagram as TikTok becomes the new home of entertainment.

02:44:04.000 Oh my god.

02:44:04.000 So if you need to get advertising.

02:44:06.000 Meanwhile, it should be illegal. 0.99

02:44:07.000 They should fucking ban it. 0.99

02:44:09.000 And it's like, it's total Chinese spyware. 1.00

02:44:12.000 And everyone is like, I don't even care.

02:44:16.000 Go into my accounts and find out my passwords.

02:44:20.000 Passwords, absolutely everything.

02:44:21.000 It's more than just your credit card number, people.

02:44:23.000 It's literally every single thing in your phone.

02:44:25.000 Every website you search, all the text messages you make, it tracks all of the movements that you make with your thumb, everything.

02:44:34.000 There's a saying, oh, but it's free, it's fun, it's lovely.

02:44:37.000 There's a saying, if something's free...

02:44:41.000 You are the product.

02:44:43.000 Right.

02:44:43.000 Data.

02:44:43.000 Your data is the product.

02:44:45.000 But it's never been exploited like it is with TikTok.

02:44:48.000 And so they also lied about where the data is going.

02:44:50.000 Oh, it's only staying here in North America. 1.00

02:44:53.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:44:53.000 It's going straight to China. 1.00

02:44:54.000 Right.

02:44:55.000 It's crazy.

02:44:55.000 And they're also getting biometric data from people that have fingerprint readers on their phones or face recognition.

02:45:02.000 It's like there's so much data it's getting.

02:45:05.000 It's really spooky.

02:45:06.000 It is spooky.

02:45:07.000 And in this world that we live in, when they're controlling information, the one thing that freaks me out about talking about history is that they usually, they, as in people who are tyrants that suppress and censor people throughout history, they go after the teachers.

02:45:21.000 They're on there.

02:45:22.000 It's more than just artists.

02:45:23.000 They'll go after the comedians.

02:45:25.000 They'll go after the teachers.

02:45:26.000 Because it's going to be complete control at a certain point where it's like, you do not get to teach.

02:45:30.000 We were talking about this last night at dinner about how, what's her face down there in New Zealand?

02:45:35.000 Jacinta Ardern.

02:45:36.000 Would she say anyone other than the government giving you information is false?

02:45:39.000 Oh, the Prime Minister of New Zealand, yeah, at some point. 0.92

02:45:42.000 That lady's a creep. 1.00

02:45:43.000 Isn't she? 0.95

02:45:45.000 She's literally Orwellian in nature.

02:45:50.000 And you never would have thought that before COVID. No.

02:45:53.000 There's so many of them, like Justin Trudeau.

02:45:55.000 He was a sweet, handsome fella.

02:45:57.000 Nobody would have thought!

02:45:58.000 Stripes got shown, I think.

02:46:00.000 Oh my god, on so many people. 1.00

02:46:01.000 Gavin Newsom, so many of these fucking people. 1.00

02:46:03.000 They seem benign. 1.00

02:46:05.000 And then COVID came along and this opportunity to control people and a reason to do so.

02:46:09.000 We're all in danger and they exaggerate that danger greatly and use it to clamp down on you and force you into these pharmaceutical drugs that you have to take and do this and do that.

02:46:20.000 We've got to lock it home and stay here and we're going to redistribute wealth and this and that.

02:46:25.000 It's like, whoa! 1.00

02:46:27.000 You guys are fucking demons. 1.00

02:46:29.000 I didn't know you were demons. 1.00

02:46:30.000 I thought you were just governors and mayors and shit. 0.99

02:46:33.000 And shut down all the restaurants, even if it doesn't make any sense. 0.99

02:46:37.000 Yeah.

02:46:37.000 My wife and I were talking for a little bit about, is it time to maybe move back to Australia at some point?

02:46:42.000 And then COVID hits. 0.98

02:46:43.000 It's like, no fucking way. 0.99

02:46:44.000 Where do you live now? 0.99

02:46:45.000 Northern California.

02:46:46.000 Yeah, get out of there too.

02:46:47.000 I definitely am.

02:46:48.000 That's the next Australia.

02:46:49.000 We're out in the sticks.

02:46:50.000 It's a bunch of...

02:46:53.000 Northern California is wild.

02:46:55.000 It's a very interesting place.

02:46:57.000 It's all weed growers and cartel people.

02:46:59.000 And I'm in Arizona.

02:47:01.000 Better than Australia still, trust me. 0.76

02:47:04.000 I'm in Arizona.

02:47:04.000 I thought I was safe.

02:47:05.000 I'm not getting into it, but what they did to Cary Lake...

02:47:08.000 I shouldn't go there.

02:47:10.000 Arizona was the last free place, or one of them, because Texas is debatable.

02:47:15.000 Florida is pretty free.

02:47:17.000 South Dakota is free, but Arizona...

02:47:20.000 Everyone needs to be paying attention to what happened there.

02:47:22.000 Yeah, the irregularities when it came to the reports that people had at the places where they were trying to vote is really wild.

02:47:31.000 I wish I knew what was true so I could actually comment on it.

02:47:35.000 What I witnessed walking my dog in different neighborhoods was a lot of Carrie Lake signs.

02:47:39.000 And I didn't see one single one of Hobbs.

02:47:42.000 And Katie Hobbs, like her social media on Instagram had like 6,000 followers, like literally on the election night, compared to Carrie Lake's at like 300,000. 0.66

02:47:51.000 And I'm like, that means something.

02:47:54.000 It doesn't necessarily prove anything.

02:47:55.000 But my point is that people I was talking to, she had a huge, huge, huge following.

02:48:00.000 She was doing all the debates.

02:48:01.000 Katie Hobbs hid.

02:48:03.000 But I know what happened.

02:48:06.000 I mean, I don't have proof.

02:48:08.000 What do you think happened?

02:48:09.000 Are you allowed to say these things?

02:48:11.000 Right?

02:48:11.000 These are the things that go like this to you, Joey.

02:48:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:48:13.000 This is like one of those things for you.

02:48:15.000 They go like this to you.

02:48:15.000 So you think there was some manipulation that led to someone else winning?

02:48:21.000 Perhaps. 1.00

02:48:22.000 You'd have to be stupid not to conclude that. 0.99

02:48:25.000 If anyone has looked into this, it's insulting my intelligence to think that something – let me just say it like this. 0.99

02:48:33.000 I just have some questions.

02:48:34.000 That's all.

02:48:34.000 Well, all the people that were – was it Maricopa County?

02:48:37.000 Yes.

02:48:38.000 The area where they had the most irregularities were also the most Republicans?

02:48:42.000 Yes.

02:48:43.000 Well, I mean, Maricopa County has a lot of blue to it, too, but listen, Trump won there.

02:48:47.000 Lake has provided no evidence to support her claims of election fraud.

02:48:50.000 This is on Newsweek.com, which is totally unbiased.

02:48:53.000 No evidence.

02:48:54.000 Even her legal case was thrown out by a Maricopa County judge in December.

02:48:58.000 Lake has insisted that the election fraud was involved, and Hobbs declared victory, and that she's the real governor.

02:49:05.000 Yeah.

02:49:06.000 Yes.

02:49:07.000 But she was also saying that Donald Trump really won, and he was the real president.

02:49:13.000 Well, what she said- He gets said in almost every election.

02:49:15.000 Let me quote Carrie Lake. 1.00

02:49:16.000 I studied Carrie Lake. 0.95

02:49:17.000 Let me quote her, because I'm a- Are you a Carrie Lake supporter, bro?

02:49:21.000 Yes.

02:49:22.000 I am a supporter of anyone that's an advocate for free speech, anti-censorship, and freedom, and my rights.

02:49:27.000 And what she said, a reporter asked her was pressing her on the 2020 election involving Donald Trump, and she said it very eloquently.

02:49:34.000 She asked the reporter, I'm asking you- Do you really think that Joe Biden got 81 million votes?

02:49:41.000 And the reporter's like, do you think so?

02:49:42.000 She's like, no, I'm just asking you.

02:49:44.000 Do you think he did?

02:49:44.000 She's like, I have questions and so do Arizonans.

02:49:47.000 And that's all I'm saying.

02:49:47.000 I just have some questions.

02:49:49.000 I'm allowed to ask questions.

02:49:50.000 I think a lot of people voted for Joe Biden.

02:49:52.000 Would a lot of people vote again?

02:49:53.000 I don't think so. 0.99

02:49:54.000 And I think that's why they're looking into his fucking classified documents that he got in the backseat of his Corvette. 0.99

02:50:00.000 Maybe the Democrats think that too. 0.99

02:50:02.000 They're trying to sink that dude. 0.95

02:50:03.000 I don't know jack shit about politics and I'm a little suspicious of their actions. 0.92

02:50:09.000 I can't even vote. 0.91

02:50:12.000 I think Atlantis is in the Sahara Africa.

02:50:16.000 I don't know anything about politics either.

02:50:18.000 And Elon Musk, let's excavate the lost labyrinth of Egypt.

02:50:21.000 Let's do that.

02:50:22.000 I think one of the problems with elections always is that you can never say there's zero fraud because no one thinks there's zero fraud.

02:50:34.000 When you say, how much election fraud is there?

02:50:38.000 It's not zero.

02:50:39.000 So what is the number?

02:50:41.000 And how much of it is Republican election fraud?

02:50:43.000 And how much of it is Democrat election fraud?

02:50:45.000 I don't know.

02:50:46.000 I remember they had that documentary on HBO back when Bush was president.

02:50:51.000 It was called Hacking Democracy.

02:50:53.000 And it was all about the Diebold voting systems and that these voting systems have been manipulated to help the Republicans win.

02:51:00.000 So there's always been this sort of There's always been this narrative that your elections are not fair, and a lot of that is being reinforced by these troll sites,

02:51:17.000 these troll farms like in Macedonia, they have a bunch of them, and then Russia, and they've been doing that to try to undermine our faith in democracy forever.

02:51:27.000 A lot of people, they get their information from these websites and Facebook pages that aren't even based in America, and they're purely designed to get us upset at the election process and undermine our faith in the system.

02:51:41.000 And they found out that 20 out of the top 20 Facebook pages, that 19 of the top 20 were all Russian troll farms.

02:51:50.000 Which is all the Christian sites. 0.71

02:51:53.000 19 of the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were trolls.

02:51:57.000 And it's like they're doing this to try to get people upset about things.

02:52:01.000 It undermines our faith in democracy, creates more chaos, makes us more easily manipulated.

02:52:06.000 It's really bad, and I really wish that we understood.

02:52:11.000 If so many people thought that Joe Biden would be a great president, well, now you know.

02:52:15.000 Now you know he's not.

02:52:16.000 And now you know he really was in mental decline.

02:52:19.000 And, well, maybe you can make a better choice in 2024 and let's sort this out.

02:52:23.000 Right. 1.00

02:52:24.000 But as soon as he said, I'm going to run again, they're like, the fuck you are! 1.00

02:52:28.000 And then, you know, I think this is the beginning of a bunch of things that will probably come out about him. 1.00

02:52:33.000 Totally.

02:52:33.000 They flipped on him.

02:52:34.000 Yeah, they'll turn on him.

02:52:35.000 Yep.

02:52:35.000 And then they'll put someone else in his place.

02:52:38.000 Newsome white in the wings. 0.99

02:52:39.000 I mean, he's problematic because they fucking hate him in California. 0.97

02:52:44.000 How are they going to feel about him in Arizona? 0.96

02:52:46.000 How are they going to feel about him?

02:52:47.000 But it's also like how much of it can be manipulated by the media? 1.00

02:52:53.000 I mean, how much can people be manipulated by these headlines that you read while you're taking a shit? 0.99

02:52:57.000 How much of these narratives can be shaped to get people to say, look, it's better him than Trump. 0.99

02:53:05.000 If it's Trump, we're going to have a nuclear war.

02:53:07.000 If it's Trump, we're going to have a this. 0.98

02:53:09.000 We're going to have white supremacists.

02:53:10.000 We're going to have a this and that.

02:53:12.000 Mean tweets, Joe.

02:53:13.000 Let's focus on what's really important.

02:53:15.000 Well, he can't even tweet anymore because he's got to deal with true social, it seems like.

02:53:19.000 Because they gave him his Twitter account back and he won't even use it.

02:53:22.000 Yeah, I don't think him and Musk are friends, I suspect.

02:53:25.000 Well, I don't think it's that.

02:53:27.000 I don't think he's allowed to—I think he has a deal, if I had to guess.

02:53:31.000 This is pure speculation.

02:53:33.000 But he has his own social media network, and it's very valuable, right?

02:53:37.000 So the only way that Truth Social is valuable at all is if he's not using Twitter.

02:53:42.000 I see.

02:53:43.000 If he starts using Twitter, I mean, he has like 29 million Twitter followers or something crazy like that.

02:53:47.000 If he starts using that, no one's going to pay attention to true social.

02:53:50.000 Like, why would I go over there and watch a bunch of QAnon wackos like scream about like Pizzagate when there's Twitter?

02:53:58.000 I could just go to Twitter and read what he has to say and see him, you know, arguing with people.

02:54:03.000 Meanwhile, the Taliban's on Twitter and they just bought blue check marks. 0.50

02:54:07.000 So people are mad that Trump is back on Twitter.

02:54:10.000 I mean, I saw people, I'm leaving Twitter. 0.99

02:54:12.000 I'm like, do you understand that the fucking Communist Party of China is on Twitter? 0.99

02:54:15.000 Do you understand that the Taliban's on Twitter? 1.00

02:54:17.000 Do you understand how many fucking people are on Twitter and you're mad that Trump's back? 1.00

02:54:21.000 Hypocrites. 1.00

02:54:22.000 Well, it's just like when the guy's on Twitter and he says funny shit, people can attack him and they can go after him. 1.00

02:54:28.000 That's what it's supposed to be. 0.98

02:54:29.000 It's supposed to be like he says something and then let someone from the left, let Elizabeth Warren go after him or let this person go after him.

02:54:37.000 Let him duke it out. 0.97

02:54:38.000 Don't fucking silence people. 0.94

02:54:40.000 Especially like this idea that it's dangerous to let him speak and communicate. 1.00

02:54:45.000 What about you, motherfucker? 1.00

02:54:47.000 Someone's going to say it's dangerous to have you speak. 1.00

02:54:49.000 Yes, it's going to come down to it.

02:54:52.000 They're going to keep pushing it further and further and further until you're going to have a very narrow window of communication, a very narrow lane of your ability to express yourself, and it's not going to accurately represent people, and they're going to whisper things in pubs and whisper things in coffee shops,

02:55:08.000 and that's going to be the real truth.

02:55:10.000 Yep.

02:55:10.000 And this is like I was saying a few moments ago, which is that for decades throughout your life, people – we didn't have the censorship.

02:55:16.000 People were allowed to say things.

02:55:17.000 In worst case scenario, they got ridiculed and laughed at and life went on and everything was fine.

02:55:22.000 The merry-go-round of life worked out just fine with everyone being able to say whatever they want to say.

02:55:27.000 And now all of a sudden it's a problem.

02:55:29.000 So they're conditioning the younger demographic to be like, you're right.

02:55:32.000 This is – This is dangerous misinformation.

02:55:35.000 The younger demographic, these Gen Zs, they don't remember what I remember before, like the days before 9-11, being a senior in high school when that went down and just how everything has slowly started changing since. 1.00

02:55:45.000 They don't understand that freedom of speech was always a thing.

02:55:49.000 There wasn't censorship and everything was fine.

02:55:52.000 And now they censor and now you see problems.

02:55:56.000 Well, there's also the problem that social media for the most part is controlled by the left.

02:56:01.000 It's almost entirely owned and controlled by tech companies who are very progressive and educated and primarily lean left.

02:56:09.000 They used to be the other way for a long time.

02:56:11.000 They blow with the wind a little bit in terms of political favor and control.

02:56:17.000 But tech has always been different than social media.

02:56:21.000 Combined with social media, that form of tech is the distribution of information tech.

02:56:26.000 It's not tech like...

02:56:27.000 Old school tech.

02:56:28.000 Yeah.

02:56:28.000 It's so different.

02:56:31.000 Devin Nunes, the former California congressman who left office to run Donald Trump's app TrueSocial, has remained quiet as the platform continues to be plagued with issues.

02:56:41.000 It's his, Devin Nunes?

02:56:42.000 No, no.

02:56:43.000 Donald Trump.

02:56:44.000 Yeah.

02:56:45.000 Yeah.

02:56:45.000 His company runs it.

02:56:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:56:48.000 I think they have scaling issues.

02:56:49.000 Well, that's more than ideal with it.

02:56:50.000 No, I'm sure someone paid for it.

02:56:52.000 I'm sure he didn't buy it.

02:56:54.000 I was looking up the CEO as Devin Nunes.

02:56:56.000 I'm sure he owns it.

02:56:56.000 And Devin Nunes left to run Trump's social media app.

02:56:59.000 Right, but do you think he funded it?

02:57:01.000 I'm sure there has to be some sort of a deal.

02:57:03.000 I would just imagine.

02:57:04.000 That's what I was digging into.

02:57:05.000 Because I would imagine there's investors.

02:57:07.000 Like, say, if you're going to open up an app...

02:57:11.000 Those apps don't do well.

02:57:13.000 I mean, think about Gab, and think about a lot of these other ones that they created, Getter.

02:57:18.000 There's a lot of them they created, they just went away. 0.62

02:57:21.000 I mean, if you got a fucking figurehead as big as Donald Trump, and he's banned from Twitter, and you say, this is the only way to get the voice of the king, and you put it on true social, people can invest in that. 0.80

02:57:32.000 And if they're gonna invest in that, they're gonna be very hesitant. 0.99

02:57:35.000 Well, how do I know he's not gonna go back to Twitter?

02:57:37.000 Well, he was not allowed to.

02:57:40.000 I mean, that's just me guessing.

02:57:42.000 I have no idea. 1.00

02:57:43.000 I'm totally talking out of my ass. 0.99

02:57:45.000 But I would imagine that he has some sort of a deal. 0.99

02:57:48.000 Also, I would imagine that if that is his company, he would be wise enough to go, you know what, this is worth nothing if I go onto Twitter.

02:57:55.000 So if I'm going to sell this one day and make a big Profit.

02:57:59.000 These are the people that invested in oil.

02:58:00.000 Yeah, so there you go.

02:58:01.000 There you go.

02:58:02.000 Look at all these people.

02:58:03.000 6.2 million.

02:58:04.000 That guy invested 6.2 million.

02:58:06.000 Oh my god, I want to sell you a bridge, buddy.

02:58:11.000 Secured a reported $1 billion.

02:58:13.000 Oh my god!

02:58:14.000 It's worth $40.

02:58:17.000 That's hilarious.

02:58:18.000 But the money remains inaccessible pending a successful public launch.

02:58:22.000 In the interim, Trump's media venture has put together about $38 million in debt, according to the SEC file.

02:58:28.000 That makes sense.

02:58:29.000 And that money didn't come from Trump himself, so who provided it?

02:58:33.000 See, that's what I'm saying.

02:58:35.000 The money didn't come from Trump himself.

02:58:36.000 See, I guessed, and I was correct.

02:58:39.000 And so let's look at all these people.

02:58:42.000 So, look at all these folks.

02:58:44.000 Carl Pflueger.

02:58:45.000 Hello, Carl.

02:58:46.000 President of the Texas Oil Company. 0.99

02:58:48.000 I bet he has a big hat and a fucking giant belt buckle. 0.99

02:58:51.000 And he put $10 million dollars toward TrueSocial. 0.99

02:58:53.000 Wow, that's a lot of money, Carl.

02:58:55.000 Patrick Wall, CR, Empire Holdings.

02:58:57.000 Company that manages multiple gym brands.

02:59:00.000 $6.2 million.

02:59:01.000 Kenny Trout.

02:59:03.000 Texas.

02:59:03.000 Another Texas.

02:59:04.000 Telecoms billionaire.

02:59:06.000 Donated to Trump before.

02:59:07.000 Forked over $4 million.

02:59:10.000 Wow.

02:59:11.000 Jesus Christ.

02:59:11.000 These people are all rich.

02:59:12.000 That guy, the next guy, only $200,000.

02:59:15.000 And $100,000.

02:59:15.000 So most of the people were like, yeah, they are rich, but still, that is not a wise use of money.

02:59:23.000 Yeah.

02:59:26.000 You know, they probably got their watch.

02:59:27.000 You need to donate, honey.

02:59:29.000 We need to get Trump back into office.

02:59:32.000 If it said they got a billion dollars in funding, whatever that just listed wasn't even close.

02:59:36.000 Yeah, that wasn't even 50 million.

02:59:38.000 Well, the other people are probably hiding.

02:59:40.000 The other people are probably hiding.

02:59:41.000 Or maybe they got a lot of people that donated like a thousand, you know?

02:59:44.000 Yeah.

02:59:45.000 So the next one was like 200,000.

02:59:47.000 But that's how maybe people have been public about it.

02:59:50.000 I didn't see that GoFundMe link.

02:59:52.000 GoFundMe link.

02:59:54.000 Well, listen, gentlemen, this has been a lot of fun, and I really appreciate both of you. 0.69

02:59:59.000 Your YouTube page is fucking amazing.

03:00:01.000 Please tell people how to get to it. 0.78

03:00:02.000 Thank you.

03:00:03.000 Yes, it's unchartedx.com slash c slash unchartedx.

03:00:07.000 Unchartedx on YouTube.

03:00:08.000 Go find it.

03:00:09.000 You have so many great Great videos.

03:00:10.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:00:11.000 Amazing content. 0.99

03:00:12.000 Your ability to just fucking spit it out. 1.00

03:00:14.000 Both of you guys. 0.99

03:00:15.000 I'm so impressed.

03:00:16.000 And Jimmy, thank you so much for coming back.

03:00:18.000 And thank you for bringing Ben and yours.

03:00:20.000 Bright Insight.

03:00:22.000 You've so many fantastic videos.

03:00:24.000 I tweeted a couple of them today.

03:00:25.000 Thank you, Joe.

03:00:26.000 Let's do it again sometime.

03:00:27.000 I'd love to.

03:00:28.000 It was a great time.

03:00:28.000 Thank you so much.

03:00:29.000 Appreciate you guys both.

03:00:30.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 18, 2023

Joe Rogan Experience #1928 - Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk

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