The Joe Rogan Experience - August 14, 2026


Joe Rogan Experience #2540 - Travis Barker


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00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 What's up?
00:00:13.000 What's up?
00:00:13.000 Good to see you, brother.
00:00:14.000 What's cracking?
00:00:15.000 Insane, man.
00:00:16.000 Stoked to be here.
00:00:17.000 Stoked to have you, man.
00:00:18.000 What a fucking cute kid you have, dude.
00:00:20.000 Thank you.
00:00:21.000 Thank you.
00:00:21.000 He's the best, man.
00:00:23.000 He loves you.
00:00:23.000 So blessed.
00:00:24.000 When you're trying to put him down, he's like, no.
00:00:27.000 I think it's because I just spent, we just went to Utah and I had three or five days with him just.
00:00:33.000 Like a lot of time with him, and he has separation anxiety from me as I do with him.
00:00:38.000 I'm like, it's the best, man.
00:00:40.000 People that don't have kids, it's like you don't understand the level of love that you have for them.
00:00:46.000 It's really crazy.
00:00:47.000 Or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that.
00:00:51.000 I just, I don't get it.
00:00:52.000 I don't get it either.
00:00:53.000 I'll spend every second I can with my kids.
00:00:56.000 It's weird that people, maybe it's something that happened to them when they were young or something.
00:00:56.000 Yeah, it's weird.
00:01:01.000 I don't know.
00:01:01.000 Yeah.
00:01:03.000 So, what's cracking?
00:01:04.000 What's the latest?
00:01:06.000 I mean, my doc came out today.
00:01:08.000 Today?
00:01:09.000 So, yeah.
00:01:10.000 Yep.
00:01:11.000 Long time coming.
00:01:13.000 What was that experience like?
00:01:17.000 Well, the beginning of it was shortly after my book came out.
00:01:23.000 So, I kind of understood why people wanted a doc from me at that point.
00:01:29.000 And I was honored and I was flattered and I was going down the journey of filming this doc, but it didn't really have an ending.
00:01:42.000 I guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time around 2017 was that I was sober and I survived a plane crash.
00:01:49.000 But really, I was struggling with ever flying again, struggling with survivor's guilt, struggling with a lot of stuff.
00:02:00.000 And at the time, the directors had mentioned to me, like, can you just look at a plane or act like you're going to go fly in a plane or walk towards a plane?
00:02:08.000 I was like, fuck no.
00:02:10.000 I would never, I can't even consider it.
00:02:12.000 I can't even do it for you.
00:02:14.000 For like fantasy purposes, for the end of this dock, you know?
00:02:20.000 And I think that set in after a while where I had to acknowledge and just understand I was afraid to ever fly again.
00:02:33.000 And this thing had huge power over me to the point where it dictated how I got on tour, how many days I'd travel on bus to New York, how many days I'd be on the Queen Mary II going to England.
00:02:46.000 How long would that take?
00:02:47.000 Oh, dude, so long.
00:02:48.000 The England one's crazy.
00:02:50.000 Comfortably on the bus from here to New York, probably six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels.
00:02:55.000 And, you know, I toured with my kids, you know, their whole life.
00:03:00.000 So stopping and doing some cool stuff for them, six, seven days, and then a 10-day boat ride from New York to the Hamptons.
00:03:10.000 Fuck.
00:03:11.000 It's crazy.
00:03:12.000 Yeah.
00:03:13.000 So, yeah, my band would leave.
00:03:15.000 They'd be in England in 10 hours, whatever.
00:03:17.000 It would take me three weeks.
00:03:19.000 It sucked.
00:03:21.000 And then sometimes I'd be on the Queen Mary II and we'd have wild weather, 30 foot waves, 170 mile per hour winds.
00:03:28.000 And I was like, is this any better than being on a plane?
00:03:32.000 But the ocean freaks me out.
00:03:36.000 The big waves in particular, they freak me out.
00:03:36.000 Yeah.
00:03:39.000 Yeah.
00:03:39.000 We got into a couple storms on one of the transatlantic crossings that, yeah, believe me, like something was festering inside where I had this urge to.
00:03:52.000 To try to figure out what had this power over me, which was flying.
00:03:56.000 And yeah.
00:03:58.000 Well, it's totally understandable.
00:03:59.000 Yeah, I think about it every day after a certain point.
00:04:02.000 And then, plus my kids, you know, they grew up not flying.
00:04:06.000 They grew up associating a plane to a metal container where people die, I think, you know, unfortunately, because that's what happened, you know, to my two best friends and the two pilots who were on my plane.
00:04:22.000 So, yeah, it was hard.
00:04:24.000 And then I knew the day I did it, I could show them that they could also do it.
00:04:29.000 And it would probably break the trauma and the spell that my accident caused however many years ago.
00:04:37.000 And yeah, I think after my accident and that whole process, I just, everything people said I couldn't do after that, I would just check them off one by one.
00:04:45.000 Oh, you're not going to run again.
00:04:46.000 Oh, you're not going to play the drums again.
00:04:48.000 Oh, you're not going to do this again.
00:04:51.000 And the one that I gave myself, the restriction I gave myself is I'd never fly again, you know?
00:04:56.000 And I broke it and I fly again.
00:05:00.000 How many years did it take you before you got on a plane again?
00:05:02.000 20.
00:05:04.000 And I even think back to that, I'm like, 20 years.
00:05:06.000 I lost 20 years.
00:05:08.000 With this thing having power over me.
00:05:10.000 But it just, it was like a monster.
00:05:11.000 It kept getting bigger and bigger.
00:05:12.000 And I was like, I gotta.
00:05:14.000 Well, you gotta look at it like in terms of the odds.
00:05:18.000 You survived a plane crash, which is the odds of that are astronomical.
00:05:22.000 The odds of you getting in another plane crash are super low.
00:05:26.000 Yeah.
00:05:27.000 I know nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite, because you've actually experienced it.
00:05:31.000 So you know what it is.
00:05:32.000 Like, oh my God, this is a real possibility.
00:05:35.000 Yeah.
00:05:36.000 I can see that now.
00:05:37.000 Because my son, who's 22, he doesn't love to fly.
00:05:40.000 And I always say, like, we just were in Utah.
00:05:43.000 And I took a flight, you know, he ended up driving.
00:05:47.000 And I was like, son, that's way more dangerous.
00:05:50.000 Like, fly with me.
00:05:51.000 I'm never going to put you on a plane that I think is unsafe.
00:05:54.000 I'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great, the plane's had maintenance, whatever else.
00:06:01.000 How do you check all that stuff?
00:06:02.000 Well, just if we're flying private, you're able to, like, you know, really make sure it's a great plane.
00:06:08.000 Sometimes even we'll fly on, like, someone's plane that we know.
00:06:12.000 So that makes me feel better.
00:06:14.000 But yeah, he just drove 16 hours round trip.
00:06:18.000 I was like, son, that's way more dangerous.
00:06:21.000 It is.
00:06:22.000 But yeah, that's what I tell myself.
00:06:23.000 And I just got to have faith.
00:06:24.000 And yeah.
00:06:28.000 What was the first plane trip like after 20 years?
00:06:34.000 It was nothing like I'd imagined it.
00:06:42.000 I made a deal with my wife, and I just said, hey, if.
00:06:44.000 If there's ever somewhere we can't go, because she was a champ, man.
00:06:47.000 She was on tour buses with me.
00:06:49.000 She was on whatever, just going kind of close by for trips that we'd go on.
00:06:53.000 And I said, if there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that I'd need to fly, just don't tell me and tell me the night before.
00:07:01.000 Let's leave in the morning and I'm going to do it.
00:07:03.000 So that's what it was.
00:07:04.000 And the flight was awesome.
00:07:07.000 It had contained none of the awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that it would be like over the years.
00:07:16.000 And yeah, I think I just needed a positive experience to cancel out the last bad one that I had.
00:07:23.000 Yeah.
00:07:23.000 You know?
00:07:26.000 Yeah, that helped a lot.
00:07:28.000 And I think also coming to terms with being so close to my godson, who was my assistant's son who passed away in my plane crash, and his mom and Che's mom, and just knowing that there was no hard feelings and.
00:07:48.000 The survivor's guilt I was feeling was my own.
00:07:52.000 and to just think about them and if the roles were reversed, would they want me to really just sit around not flying again or have this thing have power over me?
00:08:04.000 Or if I was in their shoes, would I want that for them?
00:08:06.000 Like, of course not.
00:08:09.000 Yeah, it's an experience that so few people ever have.
00:08:14.000 I mean, I can't imagine what it's like, especially losing your friends and just the trauma of the actual impact, the whole thing just stuck in your head.
00:08:25.000 Yeah, I mean to this day I always like my wife's a great flyer My band they're all good flying, you know, I think they can my wife can probably envision a trip plan a trip envision how rad it's gonna be how cool it's gonna be doing rock climbing or whatever we're gonna do all I can think about until I get there is like am I gonna make it is is this gonna You know,
00:08:47.000 I did this once and I almost died so you know, I had to just stop that pattern of thinking To the best of my ability it still happens a little bit, but I still can't I have trouble booking planes.
00:08:59.000 I have trouble booking flights without thinking of those things.
00:09:05.000 Yeah, I can only imagine.
00:09:06.000 Well, it's awesome that you got through it and got over it and did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration from that.
00:09:15.000 And just realize, like, hey, maybe for them it was a car accident or a bus accident or whatever it is.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:21.000 Like, you can keep moving.
00:09:23.000 Yeah, for sure.
00:09:24.000 And at the time, you know, AM survived with me and then he lived for another year.
00:09:32.000 Passed away of a drug overdose.
00:09:33.000 But during that time, where after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery, it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt, like, you know, and lost people.
00:09:49.000 There was a lot of groups and a lot of people that, like, support systems for people who were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash, you know?
00:09:56.000 So it was kind of just lonely trying to navigate, figure it out just recently, just like.
00:10:04.000 A few days ago, before my doc came out, someone kept tagging me and I saw it.
00:10:10.000 This young lady named Reva.
00:10:11.000 She had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash, 50% of her body was burnt, and she lost her mom in the plane crash.
00:10:18.000 So I was like, this is really similar to me.
00:10:21.000 And I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience.
00:10:25.000 So I flew her out and she was at my premiere and it was just cool.
00:10:28.000 And I said, you know, it's just as cool for me to meet you as for you to meet me.
00:10:33.000 Like, this is.
00:10:34.000 I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you, you know?
00:10:37.000 Yeah.
00:10:38.000 So, yeah, it's cool.
00:10:40.000 That's a very cool human experience.
00:10:42.000 You know, just share it with somebody and realize like you've both been through something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other side and find comfort in each other.
00:10:42.000 Yeah.
00:10:52.000 I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident and I was out to dinner.
00:10:57.000 The guy who flew the plane and landed in the river, remember that?
00:11:01.000 Sully?
00:11:02.000 Yeah, he came up and shook my hand at dinner.
00:11:02.000 Yeah.
00:11:04.000 Didn't say a word to me, but I was like, oh, wow.
00:11:06.000 Oh, that's awesome, you know?
00:11:08.000 That story is fucking crazy.
00:11:10.000 Crazy.
00:11:11.000 Birds.
00:11:12.000 Yeah.
00:11:13.000 Birds took the plane down.
00:11:15.000 Yeah.
00:11:15.000 You would think they would have figured that out by now.
00:11:18.000 Yeah, the smallest error.
00:11:19.000 You know?
00:11:21.000 It's insane.
00:11:23.000 Yeah.
00:11:24.000 Flying's weird, but I prefer it over the boat.
00:11:30.000 The boat thing and the embarrassment.
00:11:31.000 You got to do the boat launch.
00:11:32.000 Fuck you.
00:11:32.000 Queen Mary II's wild.
00:11:33.000 There's a morgue on there, too.
00:11:35.000 What?
00:11:36.000 Yeah, most people that are on there are 80 years old and they're doing their one transatlantic crossing.
00:11:40.000 And so some of them die?
00:11:42.000 A lot of them.
00:11:43.000 There's a lot of, I think every transatlantic crossing, because I'm on there with my crew and my assistant, my tour manager.
00:11:51.000 It's like, yep, someone passed, you know?
00:11:54.000 Wow.
00:11:55.000 A morgue on the boat.
00:11:56.000 A morgue on the boat.
00:11:57.000 It's a must.
00:11:58.000 There's a morgue, a jail.
00:12:00.000 A jail?
00:12:01.000 Yeah, there's a jail.
00:12:02.000 How many people are on the Queen Mary, too?
00:12:04.000 Thousands.
00:12:05.000 Yeah, I mean, if someone pops off on the boat, they got it, you know, there's police.
00:12:05.000 Whoa.
00:12:09.000 It's legit.
00:12:10.000 It's legit.
00:12:12.000 Wow.
00:12:13.000 And the whole experience, they almost celebrate when you're crossing the Titanic.
00:12:19.000 Where the Titanic sits.
00:12:21.000 They're like playing the movie on the ship.
00:12:23.000 They're announcing it.
00:12:25.000 I was like, this is just different.
00:12:28.000 Yeah.
00:12:29.000 Fuck that.
00:12:30.000 Yeah.
00:12:31.000 Oh my God.
00:12:32.000 But it was, honestly, I would practice all day.
00:12:36.000 I would practice all day.
00:12:38.000 I would run miles across the ship, just on the outside of the ship.
00:12:42.000 There's a lot of cool, cool times on the boat as well.
00:12:47.000 Well, I'm sure.
00:12:48.000 You know, you usually fly to tour.
00:12:50.000 You land, that's what I do now, and it's like go.
00:12:53.000 Where I would just train every day, play drums four hours a day, run two hours a day.
00:12:59.000 By the time I got ready, you know, to where I was going, I'm like, I'm so ready for tour.
00:13:03.000 It's like, whatever life throws at me, I'm good.
00:13:07.000 It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary II getting across in 10 days, that's got to be like way faster than the old boats used to do it, right?
00:13:15.000 I don't know, dude.
00:13:16.000 You're going so slow.
00:13:18.000 It doesn't even look like you're moving.
00:13:19.000 Sometimes you're like, are you serious?
00:13:21.000 You don't see shit for 10 days.
00:13:24.000 Just water.
00:13:26.000 Once in a while, you'll start seeing birds when you know you're getting close to land.
00:13:30.000 But other than that, nothing.
00:13:32.000 How many times have you done that trip?
00:13:33.000 Seven.
00:13:35.000 Yeah.
00:13:37.000 Yeah.
00:13:38.000 Oh, yeah.
00:13:39.000 I think I'd rather fly for sure.
00:13:41.000 It's just the idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean.
00:13:45.000 Yeah.
00:13:46.000 I started to think about it.
00:13:47.000 You're fucked.
00:13:48.000 Yeah.
00:13:48.000 You're fucked.
00:13:49.000 There's no place to land a helicopter on there.
00:13:51.000 How can someone even get to you?
00:13:52.000 It's a middle.
00:13:53.000 It's thousands of miles out to sea.
00:13:55.000 Yeah.
00:13:56.000 Both suck to me, right?
00:13:57.000 Falling out of the sky in a plane.
00:13:59.000 Crashing into the ocean sucks.
00:14:01.000 Also, being sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people offending for their lives sucks.
00:14:07.000 I've just watched too many boat videos of like them navigating insane waves that look like a building coming at them.
00:14:15.000 Dude, I was in it.
00:14:17.000 Yeah, we were in it.
00:14:19.000 I think we lost a couple windows in the ship, and you're basically confined to your room, but huge where you just see the boat go up and then you go crashing down and you're.
00:14:31.000 You know, you're four or five days into the trip, so you still got, you're in the middle of your crossing.
00:14:36.000 What does that feel like?
00:14:38.000 Being on a giant boat with thousands of people.
00:14:38.000 Sucks.
00:14:41.000 Sucks.
00:14:41.000 The internet goes out usually on the boat, and you're just watching something in your room, just waiting for everything to get more calm.
00:14:50.000 How big were these waves?
00:14:52.000 I think we were in 35-foot waves.
00:14:55.000 Oh, yeah.
00:14:57.000 Like this?
00:14:57.000 Yes, exactly.
00:14:58.000 It looks exactly like that.
00:15:00.000 Yeah, this freaks me out, man.
00:15:02.000 Yeah.
00:15:03.000 It's like when they.
00:15:05.000 This is not that bad.
00:15:06.000 Look how much the boat's moving.
00:15:08.000 This is the hurricane force winds, it says.
00:15:10.000 Yeah, that's like choppy weather.
00:15:13.000 I mean, there's positives, too.
00:15:14.000 We saw the northern lights from our cruise one time, and it was like, I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful.
00:15:21.000 It was cool.
00:15:22.000 Yeah, I want to make a trip to somewhere like Norway or wherever you can see it.
00:15:26.000 I like this.
00:15:27.000 Yeah, this is awesome.
00:15:29.000 Yeah.
00:15:30.000 I almost did that one time.
00:15:31.000 I almost went on a, not a passenger ship, but a cargo ship because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia.
00:15:43.000 You were going to go to Australia.
00:15:44.000 You know who told me about it?
00:15:45.000 You know who else doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me was KRS 1.
00:15:50.000 Really?
00:15:51.000 Yep.
00:15:52.000 He was like, I'm right there with you, Trav.
00:15:55.000 And I was like, Did something happen to you?
00:15:58.000 Why are you just confined to being on ships?
00:16:00.000 He's like, Nah, I just don't like flying.
00:16:03.000 So, him and his family actually had told me about the cargo ship for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises.
00:16:11.000 How long is a boat ride to Australia?
00:16:13.000 Dude, a month.
00:16:14.000 I think it's a month.
00:16:17.000 I mean, I never went.
00:16:18.000 I never went.
00:16:19.000 The plane flight is hard enough.
00:16:21.000 20 something hours or whatever it is.
00:16:22.000 Yeah.
00:16:23.000 Fuck that.
00:16:25.000 Fuck a month.
00:16:27.000 It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just took off on canoes and made it across the ocean.
00:16:38.000 Yeah, or these wild ass people that do it by themselves just here to Hawaii.
00:16:42.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those people.
00:16:43.000 Yeah.
00:16:44.000 Yeah, I know a dude who just did that.
00:16:46.000 But that's, I mean, the people back when there was no internet, back when there was no newspapers or no nothing, like the Polynesian people, that just got on boats and made it to Hawaii.
00:16:59.000 Yeah.
00:16:59.000 Insane.
00:17:01.000 Like, did you have, what was plan B?
00:17:05.000 Yeah.
00:17:06.000 What do you do if you're out?
00:17:08.000 Where are you getting water?
00:17:09.000 How are you staying alive?
00:17:10.000 Yeah, I think plan B is making plan A work.
00:17:13.000 That's it.
00:17:14.000 There is no plan B.
00:17:15.000 But how bad does life suck?
00:17:18.000 That you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food when you land.
00:17:24.000 And they didn't have big boats either.
00:17:27.000 So, what the fuck were the waves like for them?
00:17:29.000 Also, no weather app on the iPhone.
00:17:33.000 You have no idea what's coming.
00:17:35.000 Zero idea what's waiting for you.
00:17:38.000 And you're with your family and you're paddling out there.
00:17:42.000 Yeah, it's the unknown, absolute unknown.
00:17:46.000 And then how do you get back?
00:17:47.000 Or do you just say, well, this is where we are?
00:17:49.000 I mean, it must have taken months and months and months.
00:17:52.000 To get out there, how do they stay alive?
00:17:55.000 Human ingenuity, like people's ability to thrive and survive, is pretty insane when pushed to the limits.
00:18:03.000 Yeah.
00:18:04.000 Like people, I have a friend who fasts half of the year.
00:18:09.000 He's just drinking juice and water for six months?
00:18:12.000 160 days a year.
00:18:14.000 He does it every year.
00:18:15.000 How?
00:18:17.000 He's Chef Edo.
00:18:20.000 He's a chef.
00:18:21.000 He's actually a chef that took a vow of silence 30 years ago.
00:18:27.000 A plant based raw chef, and for half of the year, he doesn't eat.
00:18:32.000 He just fasts.
00:18:34.000 And it's more for like health reasons, like cleansing and to prevent disease, whatever else.
00:18:42.000 But he gets really thin and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year.
00:18:48.000 I don't know if that's good.
00:18:49.000 I don't know either.
00:18:51.000 Who told you that was true?
00:18:52.000 He does it every year.
00:18:53.000 He might not even.
00:18:56.000 It might not even be good, or so he just does these things.
00:18:59.000 Yeah, I don't think it is half of the year fasting.
00:19:01.000 I don't think it's good.
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00:20:00.000 I can't imagine that just eating nothing but juice for six months is good for you.
00:20:05.000 I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something, you know?
00:20:05.000 Yeah.
00:20:10.000 Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not.
00:20:15.000 Yeah.
00:20:15.000 If you're on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier.
00:20:17.000 Your body just immediately goes to burning fat, and your appetite is not as strong.
00:20:22.000 It's not as insane a pull, the gravity of it.
00:20:26.000 But I can't even imagine why you would do that.
00:20:30.000 Fast for six months.
00:20:31.000 Like, I think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines is good.
00:20:38.000 Causes autophagy, makes your body clean out bad cells.
00:20:41.000 It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer.
00:20:47.000 It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you get on a ketogenic diet and fast because cancer cells want glucose.
00:20:55.000 That's what they want to survive, and you starve them.
00:20:59.000 And when your body's on a carbohydrate, you're still on a plant based diet, so your body's eating mostly carbohydrates all the time.
00:21:06.000 So you have to kind of refuel all the time.
00:21:09.000 It gets used to it.
00:21:10.000 So when someone like you takes.
00:21:12.000 A day off of food, it's like the pull of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump.
00:21:17.000 It's a lot, yeah.
00:21:18.000 I mean, I eat so much protein, though.
00:21:20.000 I get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not like mock meats.
00:21:29.000 So, like, all my blood work that I do, my protein is top notch.
00:21:36.000 Well, that's awesome, yeah.
00:21:37.000 I'm just figured it out, though, too.
00:21:39.000 Like, there's a lot of junk food meat eaters, a lot of junk food vegans.
00:21:45.000 It's about dialing your shit in, you know what I mean?
00:21:48.000 And figuring it out.
00:21:49.000 But even you, when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat.
00:21:53.000 Well, because I had doctors that were super old school in the hospital with me that figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying to feed me a bunch of meat and they stuck a hose down my throat.
00:22:08.000 And that just sucked.
00:22:10.000 They stuck a hose down your throat.
00:22:12.000 To feed you like that because I was secretly just eating kind of what I wanted, but not.
00:22:17.000 Eating a bunch of the meat because I told them, hey, I don't really eat meat.
00:22:22.000 So there was like a miscommunication where they just put a hose down my throat and were feeding me like that.
00:22:28.000 And then during that time, one of my nurses was super cool and he started making me bags of beef jerky.
00:22:36.000 So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have.
00:22:42.000 And then down a peanut butter blast smoothie from, what is that?
00:22:48.000 Is it Robux or something like that?
00:22:50.000 Like one of those, and it's 3,000 calories.
00:22:52.000 So I was averaging.
00:22:54.000 I basically had a 6,000 to 7,000 calorie diet I needed to hit every day.
00:22:59.000 Wow.
00:23:01.000 In order to heal.
00:23:01.000 Because I had just had 30 surgeries in six months.
00:23:06.000 So it was just trying to get enough.
00:23:10.000 Just 30 times being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body.
00:23:15.000 Yeah.
00:23:16.000 It was.
00:23:18.000 I was so out of it, I didn't.
00:23:20.000 Really, no, until towards the end, you know, but But yeah, geez, man.
00:23:29.000 Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber?
00:23:33.000 I couldn't do it after, you know, my best friend that was in the accident with me, AM, he was, I think 6% of his body was burnt.
00:23:45.000 And he went in the hyperbaric, and I think he had a small graft on the back of his head.
00:23:51.000 He was out of the hospital in a week and a half.
00:23:55.000 But I had 70% of my body burnt.
00:23:57.000 So there was no way I was getting out of the hospital.
00:24:01.000 No matter how much I did it or didn't do it, I tried doing it.
00:24:05.000 And I was just in such an awful place after my accident where I had so much trauma with losing my best friends.
00:24:15.000 And I was definitely, my reaction was much different than Adam's.
00:24:22.000 And I couldn't go on the small tube.
00:24:26.000 There was no way.
00:24:27.000 I think at the time it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane.
00:24:32.000 Really?
00:24:32.000 Yeah.
00:24:34.000 I just felt really claustrophobic and I was also having a hell of a time.
00:24:39.000 AM was sober.
00:24:40.000 Sober for 15 years would have happened.
00:24:44.000 I was a drug addict, you know, before my plane crash.
00:24:47.000 And you take a person who's self-medicating, put them through 30 surgeries, give them a bunch of pain meds and they're not working.
00:24:55.000 That was me.
00:24:56.000 So I was waking up every surgery, screaming, swinging on doctors, a complete madman, you know?
00:25:05.000 Until they weaned me off, and by the time I got out of there, I never wanted to put anything in my body again.
00:25:17.000 I had a great relationship with all my doctors and Dr. Grossman, who owns the Burn Center, the Grossman Burn Center.
00:25:22.000 It was, yeah, it was full circle.
00:25:27.000 But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.
00:25:31.000 Yeah, that was my rehab.
00:25:34.000 Wow.
00:25:36.000 Fuck, dude.
00:25:38.000 That has to be, I mean, you're confined to a bed.
00:25:41.000 You're stuck.
00:25:42.000 They're giving you pain medications.
00:25:43.000 You're going through 30 surgeries.
00:25:45.000 You have 70% of your body burnt.
00:25:47.000 Your friends just died.
00:25:49.000 And you're in this hospital by yourself.
00:25:52.000 Huge wake-up call.
00:25:53.000 What a fucking, what a wild ride your mind must have been going through.
00:25:59.000 Yeah.
00:26:00.000 It's, you know, I was coming home from a show.
00:26:05.000 I was coming home from a gig.
00:26:06.000 And yeah, who would think you'd get in.
00:26:10.000 Get in a plane coming home from a show and You're gonna end up in a burn center for six months, you know four people are gone and 70% of your body's burnt Takes a minute to process, you know, why did they think you were never gonna be able to play the drums again?
00:26:29.000 Well, there was a point where they were gonna amputate my foot because they didn't think they could they could They they had enough skin left to to heal my foot or save it and then Because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't positive I was even going to make it.
00:26:52.000 So it was like once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was going to make it, all my nerves were messed up in my hands.
00:27:01.000 Like my ulnar nerve was shot in both hands.
00:27:04.000 My hands were numb.
00:27:05.000 There was a lot of, it's just the unknown, you know?
00:27:10.000 I can only imagine.
00:27:12.000 I think it sucks that you couldn't use the Hyper Bear because it definitely accelerates healing.
00:27:17.000 Yeah, even now, I go in sometimes.
00:27:20.000 Now, there's a hyperbaric in Los Angeles that seats two people, and that's perfect for me.
00:27:26.000 It's just like I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine.
00:27:31.000 It's just a confined space thing for you.
00:27:33.000 Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces.
00:27:35.000 Yeah, I don't love being there, but I do it.
00:27:37.000 But I've never been through what you do.
00:27:37.000 Yeah.
00:27:39.000 You know what the mind fuck is?
00:27:40.000 Is the time it takes to depressurize it.
00:27:43.000 So even if you're like, okay, I'm done, they're like seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever, while we depressurize it.
00:27:49.000 I think that's why I just feel better in the two seater.
00:27:53.000 Yeah.
00:27:54.000 Yeah.
00:27:54.000 That makes sense.
00:27:55.000 Fuck, dude.
00:27:57.000 Now, when you're doing this documentary, does it relive all this stuff for you?
00:28:02.000 Every time.
00:28:05.000 Yeah, I was so excited to come on this with you because I'm like, I'm going to talk fights with Joe.
00:28:09.000 I'm going to talk whatever.
00:28:11.000 Cars.
00:28:13.000 We could do that.
00:28:14.000 But some of them have been, I mean, they've all been great.
00:28:17.000 But I mean, to tell the truth, I think since, I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like 13.
00:28:28.000 Like, I could.
00:28:29.000 A stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, dude, I just lost my dad.
00:28:32.000 And I'd probably start bawling because it's sensitive to me.
00:28:35.000 It like triggers something to me.
00:28:37.000 So, yeah, it's like talking about certain parts of the doc is like gutting me with a knife, you know?
00:28:46.000 Were you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff?
00:28:52.000 I think I was already far past it.
00:28:55.000 It was to the point where my doc was done in 2017, but I'm like, there's no ending.
00:29:00.000 The ending sucks.
00:29:01.000 I won't look at a plane.
00:29:02.000 I won't do anything.
00:29:04.000 And then fast forward, you know, that was their dream ending.
00:29:08.000 Just stare at a fucking plane for me, right?
00:29:11.000 And I'm like, nah, you know?
00:29:13.000 So, and then fast forward to now, 2024, whatever it was when I flew or 2025, it was like, yo, I fly.
00:29:21.000 I fly again.
00:29:21.000 My kids fly.
00:29:23.000 I'm married.
00:29:26.000 Like so many things have changed.
00:29:27.000 And that kind of triggered me to finish it because there was a huge light at the end of the tunnel now.
00:29:33.000 Right?
00:29:34.000 It was like, yeah, I had this thing that had power for me for 20 years, but I fly again.
00:29:40.000 And I think the other parts of the doc, like an amazing, like, rough relationship with my dad when I was younger turned into something, like, beautiful where he's, like, my best friend.
00:29:52.000 That's awesome.
00:29:53.000 I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.
00:29:55.000 I grew up, you know, not, we didn't even have, like, running hot water in my house.
00:30:01.000 So it wasn't like my dad was in the music industry and my mom was an agent.
00:30:06.000 It was like, no, I.
00:30:07.000 I fucking didn't know how I was gonna get out of where I grew up.
00:30:11.000 And I just played every day and I was relentless.
00:30:14.000 And I joined every band and I played with everyone and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know?
00:30:21.000 So just even giving some kid hope knowing that he can do the same thing was like a big part of my documentary that I felt like could help a lot of people.
00:30:31.000 For sure.
00:30:32.000 And then just to see me get knocked down and just have to fight, you know, over and over again when fucked up things happen to me.
00:30:43.000 Just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger and unbreakable.
00:30:51.000 I think that's the resilience.
00:30:53.000 I think that that is something for people to see.
00:30:57.000 Fuck yeah.
00:30:58.000 Yeah, there's two great messages in there.
00:31:00.000 The big one is that you can overcome, that no matter how fucked up things are, if you keep going and if you keep, you stay positive, you do the right thing, you trust the process, at the end of it, you'll come out better.
00:31:12.000 Yeah.
00:31:12.000 And then.
00:31:14.000 The formula for success is the same formula almost everyone has that is really awesome at something.
00:31:20.000 Become obsessed, become driven, and just throw everything you have in that thing.
00:31:25.000 And you come out better.
00:31:27.000 And you eventually get to where you want to be or get to where you are.
00:31:32.000 It's an undeniable formula.
00:31:34.000 And kids need to hear that, especially kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick and everybody wants a TikTok mindset and everybody wants a pill to lose weight.
00:31:44.000 And everyone wants it.
00:31:46.000 The process is the most important thing.
00:31:48.000 And just become obsessed and in love with the process.
00:31:53.000 Yeah.
00:31:54.000 And so many people, I don't know, there's not a lot of balance, right?
00:31:58.000 Like, I've found more balance now, but it's like, no, you've got to be fucking obsessed and you've got to be relentless and you've got to, while all your homies are out doing whatever, you should be practicing.
00:32:09.000 You know what I mean?
00:32:10.000 You've got to be disciplined.
00:32:11.000 Like, I'm so, you know, my parents were, they were really strict with me.
00:32:16.000 Like, yo, if you want to go skateboarding, you want to go ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends, you've got to go play drums for three hours.
00:32:23.000 Wow.
00:32:23.000 So thankful they did that.
00:32:25.000 Can you imagine if they didn't, you know?
00:32:27.000 Because the one thing also in my doc is like, every time, like, my mom dies, what do I do?
00:32:32.000 I just throw myself into music and drumming.
00:32:35.000 Like, obsessed with drumming, you know?
00:32:37.000 Join marching band, orchestra, jazz band, you know?
00:32:41.000 Like, just literally eat, sleep, and breathe it.
00:32:45.000 Same thing after my accident.
00:32:46.000 What did I do?
00:32:46.000 Day I got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body and I'm playing the fucking drums.
00:32:52.000 Because it's like, what I know.
00:32:54.000 And also, I think for kids, even.
00:32:57.000 That don't have to hopefully endure anything I encountered.
00:33:00.000 It's like it gives you confidence when you're good at something.
00:33:03.000 It's like when I don't know anything, I think when kids bully you and whatever else, if you're good at something, you're like, fuck you.
00:33:11.000 Like, I know I'm really good at football, I'm really good at jujitsu, I'm really good at guitar.
00:33:16.000 I feel like it just gives you confidence.
00:33:18.000 100%.
00:33:19.000 And it helps you just kind of navigate through life better.
00:33:23.000 You know, it's a vehicle for developing you as a human being.
00:33:23.000 Yeah.
00:33:27.000 Totally.
00:33:27.000 Whatever it is, whether it's art, whether it's music, whether it's literature, whatever you're doing, writing, whatever you're doing, carpentry, whatever it is, just become obsessed with a thing, get better at it, and you realize that, okay, there's a process.
00:33:42.000 I can get better at things.
00:33:44.000 I'm valuable.
00:33:46.000 I can do something.
00:33:47.000 I'm not just a lazy sack of shit.
00:33:50.000 The problem is the masses aren't like that, right?
00:33:52.000 So sometimes you feel lonely being like that.
00:33:55.000 But.
00:33:57.000 Yeah, I feel like.
00:33:58.000 Have you ever read Relentless by Tim Grover?
00:34:00.000 No.
00:34:01.000 Fuck, it's my Bible.
00:34:02.000 But I just had my premiere in LA and he introduced my doc.
00:34:07.000 What is it?
00:34:09.000 It's a book and he basically talks about being a cooler, closer, or cleaner, you know?
00:34:15.000 And like cleaners are like people like you and I that are obsessed with shit.
00:34:20.000 And, you know, if we won a Grammy today, we're not going to like party for the next week.
00:34:25.000 We're like, what's next?
00:34:26.000 You know?
00:34:27.000 What's next?
00:34:28.000 We're not.
00:34:29.000 We're on vacation and we're practicing and we're not feeling bad about it.
00:34:33.000 It's just, it's a mindset that not a lot of people have.
00:34:38.000 And that almost makes you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so obsessed with something.
00:34:43.000 Yeah.
00:34:44.000 Well, people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you.
00:34:46.000 Oh, yeah.
00:34:48.000 And it took me a while.
00:34:50.000 Honestly, after I read his book, I'm like, oh, I'm not alone.
00:34:52.000 There's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just, I love the fucking drums.
00:34:58.000 I love to make music.
00:34:59.000 I could stay in the studio for 25 hours, you know?
00:35:03.000 And I don't feel burnt out, and it makes me feel alive, and it's therapeutic.
00:35:08.000 And I always, I'm never content with where I'm at.
00:35:12.000 I always know I have room to grow, I know there's things I can get better at.
00:35:17.000 Yeah, there's and then there's like, you know, there's people that are very content just being like, I'm not going to get any better.
00:35:25.000 I'm just, I'm cool with where I'm at.
00:35:26.000 I know this is kind of peak level for me.
00:35:29.000 I can never think like that.
00:35:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be.
00:35:36.000 In order for there to be outliers, there's always going to be people that just whatever, for whatever reason, never follow through, never do what they really want to do, you know.
00:35:47.000 What is that Thoreau comment?
00:35:50.000 The Thoreau quote, most men live lives of quiet desperation.
00:35:55.000 There's a lot of that.
00:35:56.000 There's a lot of people that wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that they want to do, to get up and just do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really makes them feel fulfilled, really ignites that creative fire inside of them where you do something and it's done.
00:36:22.000 Fuck yeah.
00:36:23.000 There's a lot of people that never experienced fuck yeah.
00:36:26.000 Yeah.
00:36:27.000 It's a rough life.
00:36:28.000 I feel like that's the journey.
00:36:29.000 Find that, you know?
00:36:30.000 Yeah.
00:36:30.000 Or like that quote, find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it.
00:36:35.000 Like that's the, that's great.
00:36:38.000 But I think, yeah, things like that have just, especially after my accident, I'm like, yo, life is short.
00:36:45.000 There's, and it can go at any time.
00:36:47.000 Oh, it can go any time.
00:36:48.000 I've, I've, I've learned, I've been smacked in the face over and over again, you know?
00:36:52.000 Um, Yeah, and just always feeling like.
00:36:55.000 I remember there's this guy named Harry Shannon that was like very instrumental in helping me get sober or me trying to get sober before my accident when I got sober.
00:37:04.000 And he's like, You know, I have to ask men, like, if you died right now, would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by?
00:37:11.000 And I'm like, I need to get to that place.
00:37:15.000 You know, that's just where I want to sit, that's where I want to live.
00:37:18.000 Yeah.
00:37:19.000 Well, I always tell people, live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around.
00:37:25.000 And you're doing something awesome.
00:37:27.000 Like, if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing some just someone who's like, wow, that fucking dude's getting after it.
00:37:36.000 Yeah.
00:37:36.000 Be that person in real life.
00:37:38.000 The other thing I always tell people become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.
00:37:43.000 It's so funny.
00:37:45.000 Or who you're pretending to be on the internet or social media.
00:37:47.000 Just actually become that person.
00:37:47.000 Yeah.
00:37:49.000 It's so much easier than pretending because there's obviously someone that's like that.
00:37:54.000 That's why we understand the archetype.
00:37:56.000 That's why we understand, like, This very exceptional person.
00:38:00.000 So become that person.
00:38:01.000 Yeah.
00:38:02.000 You could do it.
00:38:02.000 Anybody could do it.
00:38:03.000 We all change and grow.
00:38:05.000 And that's what's, I think, really important about people like you telling your story is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life and they can see it and relate to you and it gives them fuel.
00:38:18.000 It can, your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life.
00:38:25.000 There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you and that.
00:38:29.000 Just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move.
00:38:35.000 There's something.
00:38:36.000 We all need something from other people.
00:38:38.000 We feed off of other people's energy.
00:38:40.000 Yeah, I feel that.
00:38:42.000 It's like when people see David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh, I'm going to get after it.
00:38:46.000 I'm going to get it.
00:38:47.000 You know what I mean?
00:38:48.000 Like that's important.
00:38:49.000 Yeah, and I didn't know.
00:38:51.000 I said, you know, I've watched my doc like 15, 20 times now.
00:38:55.000 And I just, I even watched it the other day at the premiere and I'm like holding back.
00:38:59.000 Tears, and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy, you know?
00:39:04.000 But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life.
00:39:10.000 Like, I can't look at life the same.
00:39:12.000 And I'm like, if anything, that's, I love that.
00:39:15.000 You know?
00:39:15.000 Yeah.
00:39:16.000 We all need that.
00:39:16.000 I'd hate to put out.
00:39:18.000 Also, it's not like I made my own documentary, but I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me.
00:39:24.000 But, like, hate to put out something that doesn't help people.
00:39:28.000 You know?
00:39:28.000 Right.
00:39:29.000 Is this water right here?
00:39:29.000 Right.
00:39:30.000 Yeah.
00:39:31.000 There's a glass right in front of you.
00:39:31.000 Yeah.
00:39:33.000 There you go.
00:39:34.000 I ran, what is it called?
00:39:35.000 Lake Austin?
00:39:36.000 Ladybird.
00:39:36.000 Uh huh.
00:39:37.000 I ran it today, yeah.
00:39:38.000 It's dope.
00:39:39.000 So nice.
00:39:40.000 Isn't it beautiful?
00:39:41.000 So beautiful.
00:39:41.000 This is such a great place.
00:39:43.000 If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running.
00:39:47.000 I know.
00:39:47.000 So cool.
00:39:48.000 There's a lot of healthy people in this town.
00:39:49.000 And I didn't, my goal was to just wake up and walk.
00:39:52.000 I went to like this good espresso spot that has like cortados, had a coffee, and then I have like long shorts on, like sweat shorts, cut off sweats, suicidal tendency sweats, and high socks and just regular shoes.
00:40:06.000 And where I come from, where I grew up, was called the Inland Empire.
00:40:09.000 Like, and I'm like, oh my God, I look so Inland Empire right now.
00:40:13.000 Totally.
00:40:13.000 No shirt, long ass sweat, suicidal tendencies.
00:40:16.000 People are like, he's not from here, you know?
00:40:18.000 But I'm like, hey, I'm here with you guys.
00:40:20.000 Yeah, but you blend right in.
00:40:21.000 Everybody blends in here.
00:40:22.000 This is a very blend in town.
00:40:24.000 I love Austin.
00:40:25.000 It's great.
00:40:26.000 Yeah.
00:40:26.000 It's cool.
00:40:27.000 But that lake is a really fun spot.
00:40:29.000 And again, very inspirational too because there's a lot of people getting after it.
00:40:33.000 Yeah.
00:40:33.000 A lot of people that look good, they look healthy.
00:40:36.000 Yeah, it was like, I don't know.
00:40:39.000 Honestly, I was surprised.
00:40:40.000 From the moment I touched down yesterday, just walking, like my wife and Rocky, we just went walking and everyone was running even yesterday.
00:40:40.000 Really?
00:40:49.000 And then today, it was like similar.
00:40:52.000 To win that feeling where you in LA where you have like those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp, there's just people out there getting after it.
00:41:01.000 Yeah, I love being around that.
00:41:04.000 Well, this is a very fit town.
00:41:06.000 I mean, it's become the jujitsu hub of the country, really.
00:41:09.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy, and it all happened during the pandemic.
00:41:12.000 You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or LA, and they came here.
00:41:21.000 And a lot, well, it started out with Gordon Ryan, Gordon Ryan, and John Donahue, who are the like.
00:41:26.000 Gordon's the greatest jiu jitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here.
00:41:30.000 And John Donahoe is the greatest coach of all time, and he moved here, and they set up shop.
00:41:34.000 And then all the guys they train with came here, and then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools, too.
00:41:40.000 So there's a ton of jiu jitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here.
00:41:45.000 There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms.
00:41:49.000 It's like a feeling here.
00:41:51.000 There's an energy of people that want to do something, that really want to be active, they want to be excited about something, they want to make something happen.
00:41:59.000 And I think.
00:42:01.000 A lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a symbol of change for them.
00:42:09.000 Like, wherever the fuck I used to live before, now I'm going to move to this new thing and I'm going to really take advantage of the fact that this is different.
00:42:16.000 That this place is different.
00:42:17.000 This is my new place.
00:42:18.000 This is my new feeling of my life.
00:42:21.000 It's a new environment.
00:42:22.000 And then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to like excel and make their life more exciting.
00:42:30.000 And just, it's an awesome place.
00:42:32.000 Yeah, I feel that.
00:42:33.000 I think you usually see it in New York or LA, but you see it here.
00:42:37.000 Yeah.
00:42:38.000 It's like everyone's in shape, or it's like, it feels like it's ahead.
00:42:42.000 You know?
00:42:42.000 Mm hmm.
00:42:44.000 There's energy here.
00:42:45.000 Yeah.
00:42:45.000 And there's energy here because of the people that moved here.
00:42:47.000 You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in LA.
00:42:55.000 LA was locked down for comedy.
00:42:57.000 And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted.
00:43:01.000 They're addicted to performing, they're addicted to writing, they're addicted to like.
00:43:06.000 A lot of these guys were young people where their career just was shut off.
00:43:11.000 And, you know, they're in their 20s and they're pursuing their dream and they're barely getting by.
00:43:15.000 They're making no fucking money.
00:43:17.000 But they're in Hollywood.
00:43:18.000 They're at the comedy store.
00:43:19.000 And then all of a sudden, the comedy store is closed for a year and a half.
00:43:22.000 It was fucking nuts.
00:43:24.000 And so when we came out here, you know, it started off, it was Ron White and then me and Tony Hinchcliffe.
00:43:29.000 And then it was like, we lit the fire.
00:43:33.000 Come on.
00:43:34.000 And then next thing you know it, there's like 20 world class comedians moved to Austin.
00:43:40.000 And we set up the club.
00:43:42.000 And then now there's five clubs on my street, on the street where my club is.
00:43:46.000 There's five other clubs there.
00:43:48.000 It's crazy.
00:43:49.000 There's so many comics here.
00:43:50.000 And it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum.
00:43:55.000 There's like so much momentum.
00:43:57.000 Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got SNL.
00:44:00.000 You know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world.
00:44:03.000 And it's all, Kill Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world.
00:44:06.000 That's out of my club.
00:44:07.000 It's all wild.
00:44:07.000 It's all like.
00:44:08.000 Oh, that's out of your club?
00:44:09.000 Yeah, every Monday.
00:44:10.000 It's out of my club.
00:44:11.000 I get all the clippings from it all the time.
00:44:13.000 And I'm like, he's so funny.
00:44:16.000 Also, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis.
00:44:20.000 Uh, at the Netflix sucks.
00:44:21.000 Oh right, the Hollywood Bowl yeah, so good.
00:44:24.000 Yeah, I worked with Ron last night and he's great, he's the best.
00:44:28.000 Yeah, Shane Gillis is my favorite obviously, so he's so funny, he's the best.
00:44:33.000 He doesn't even have to say anything, just his face.
00:44:35.000 Well, he's just a great guy like you, just love you you.
00:44:38.000 When you're around him, you're having fun.
00:44:40.000 Yeah, he's just a big, he's a big smile.
00:44:42.000 Yeah, you know, I could imagine.
00:44:45.000 Yeah, so they were like, hey, do you want to go meet him before the thing?
00:44:47.000 I'm like no no no, i'm okay.
00:44:49.000 I'm like I just want to, I just want to watch this show, Like, yeah.
00:44:53.000 I'm sure he'd love to meet you.
00:44:54.000 Yeah.
00:44:55.000 It's just having a place where a bunch of like minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important.
00:45:02.000 And if you don't have that in your life, that's what I was talking about like your story and your documentary.
00:45:06.000 And just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people because we all need other people that are doing a similar thing or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing.
00:45:17.000 That it gives us, and it might not be for them, it might not be playing the drums, it might be painting, it might be something else, but it's like.
00:45:23.000 Oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar, or I have this feeling about drawing pictures, whatever the fuck it is.
00:45:33.000 It's like you need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you of wanting to do something special is not unique.
00:45:39.000 There's other people that have it.
00:45:41.000 You just have to find them.
00:45:42.000 You have to find those people.
00:45:43.000 And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the internet.
00:45:50.000 It's incredible.
00:45:51.000 Yeah, it's like they say, you are the closest five people that are around you.
00:45:57.000 Yep.
00:45:57.000 It's like the same thing.
00:45:58.000 Completely true.
00:45:59.000 Completely true.
00:46:00.000 Yeah, I feel that too.
00:46:01.000 And they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing.
00:46:05.000 Yeah, I'm like, in our old neighborhood, were you on Khalifa?
00:46:10.000 Okay, so I'm on Khalifa.
00:46:10.000 Yes.
00:46:11.000 You know, I moved my studio.
00:46:13.000 You literally left.
00:46:14.000 Yeah.
00:46:15.000 You left.
00:46:15.000 Like COVID hit.
00:46:17.000 And I moved in over there.
00:46:18.000 Yeah, I know.
00:46:19.000 I heard.
00:46:19.000 So I wonder how close we were too.
00:46:22.000 Well, I think we were real close.
00:46:23.000 Really?
00:46:24.000 I think we were right down the street from each other.
00:46:25.000 So even just being in that neighborhood, like I run a lot in there, right?
00:46:30.000 And one day I was running.
00:46:32.000 I think I saw your pod and Gene Jacques was on it, right?
00:46:32.000 It was so weird.
00:46:36.000 Jean Jacques Machado.
00:46:37.000 Yeah, Jean Jacques Machado.
00:46:39.000 And then maybe two days later, I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing a coffee and him and all his boys from his gym come up.
00:46:49.000 They're like, hey, come train.
00:46:51.000 And I'm like, okay.
00:46:51.000 Come train.
00:46:52.000 And then the next day I'm running and I don't even know where his spot is.
00:46:56.000 And I'm running and then there's his dojo, like, you know, his gym.
00:47:01.000 And I just walked in and started training.
00:47:03.000 But being around him and like his story, like being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and are productive and are hungry and, you know?
00:47:14.000 Yeah.
00:47:16.000 It's the biggest difference in the world.
00:47:18.000 John Jacques is an awesome soul.
00:47:20.000 He's an awesome guy.
00:47:21.000 What a great guy.
00:47:22.000 Yeah, I started training with him in 1998.
00:47:25.000 Yeah.
00:47:26.000 Yeah.
00:47:26.000 Wow.
00:47:27.000 I was training a lot and then I was also running a bunch and I tweaked my leg.
00:47:36.000 And I kind of learned, I think, like me running all the time, it wasn't the best for jujitsu.
00:47:43.000 No.
00:47:44.000 You need some strength training for jujitsu.
00:47:46.000 So now it's a good balance.
00:47:48.000 What do you do for strength training?
00:47:51.000 It's tricky.
00:47:53.000 I used to just work out.
00:47:55.000 If I was here, I'd find someone, I'd work out with them, or have friends I'd work out with, or trainers back home.
00:48:01.000 But a lot of people see me and they're like, bro, let's get you jacked.
00:48:05.000 Well, that's not functional for me.
00:48:08.000 Not functional for the body.
00:48:09.000 I need to be fucking fast.
00:48:11.000 Yes.
00:48:11.000 And I need to be fluent.
00:48:14.000 Right.
00:48:15.000 Yeah.
00:48:15.000 So, a lot of people, I figured out after years and years and years of working out with different people, what's best for me is fast twitch and lots of reps, lots of sprints, quick explosive energy.
00:48:32.000 I love boxing, love jump roping.
00:48:35.000 And then a few days is more like slow strength training, but only followed by, like, I have to finish with something fast, whether it's 10 rounds on the bag or whatever else.
00:48:47.000 Or I literally, I remember there was a tour and I was working out with someone and we hadn't yet figured it out.
00:48:53.000 We work out still together and we do something called tempo training.
00:48:57.000 So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo, you're doing it for the length of the song.
00:49:01.000 So it's much longer than you would normally do something.
00:49:05.000 And it's much quicker than you normally do something, but that's how I play the drums, and that's gonna help me once I go back to what I do and it's functional for what I do.
00:49:16.000 But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle, I got behind a kit and I remember I hadn't really tested it out, and it was the worst feeling in the world.
00:49:16.000 I like that.
00:49:28.000 I was so tight, I was so slow.
00:49:31.000 I didn't look like this, but I felt like this.
00:49:33.000 You know, it was terrible.
00:49:34.000 I was like, oh my gosh, this isn't me.
00:49:36.000 I need to be, you know, right, right.
00:49:39.000 And my goal.
00:49:40.000 My only goal is to be able to think something and do it, execute, stamina wise, endurance wise, and skill wise.
00:49:49.000 So I'm always practicing and my stamina is always on point.
00:49:54.000 Drumming is like sprinting with your arms.
00:49:58.000 Yeah.
00:49:58.000 I mean, you're just like long term, fast running with your arms.
00:50:02.000 Yeah, it's like volume punches.
00:50:04.000 Like all drummers have a similar build, they're all like wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms.
00:50:12.000 Like, what you could do with your arms is probably bananas.
00:50:14.000 I bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all day long.
00:50:17.000 I could do battle ropes.
00:50:18.000 I love speed bags.
00:50:20.000 I have one at the gym at my gym.
00:50:22.000 Can I just do it in this place?
00:50:24.000 Yeah.
00:50:25.000 And it's all tempo.
00:50:27.000 You have to find the rhythm.
00:50:28.000 If the rhythm's not right, you can't keep the bag going, you know?
00:50:31.000 Battle ropes, you know, for 30, 40 minutes without stopping.
00:50:37.000 That's insane.
00:50:37.000 Yeah.
00:50:38.000 Just finds like different ways.
00:50:40.000 It's a perfect thing for drumming, I would imagine.
00:50:42.000 It's such a similar motion.
00:50:43.000 Yeah.
00:50:44.000 You know?
00:50:44.000 But it's so different than like.
00:50:46.000 The average person that wants to work out, like, I don't get to do that, you know, even though it's cool or you look cool, you put on a certain amount of muscle, whatever.
00:50:54.000 I, it's just, I can't do it.
00:50:55.000 Well, it could get in your way for sure.
00:50:57.000 I mean, I think a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer.
00:51:01.000 You know, you want to be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance.
00:51:06.000 And if you just get an intelligent trainer, they understand what you're trying to achieve.
00:51:12.000 They could achieve both goals.
00:51:14.000 Like, you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jujitsu if you want to do jujitsu, but not overwhelm you with mass.
00:51:23.000 Yeah.
00:51:23.000 You know?
00:51:24.000 Yeah.
00:51:25.000 Like, there's, yeah, there's.
00:51:25.000 Figure it out.
00:51:26.000 Definitely certain exercises I could do once I start training jujitsu again to make sure my legs are cool.
00:51:32.000 Well, a lot of like really elite jujitsu guys are not bulky at all.
00:51:35.000 There's a lot of like really thin guys that are like very, very high level, especially because there's weight classes.
00:51:41.000 And you know, what's really important is technique.
00:51:43.000 You know, it's tricky is the hands too, like not crushing my hand and making sure I'm always like gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out.
00:51:53.000 Oh, yeah.
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00:52:43.000 Yeah.
00:52:43.000 No, he's always so good about that.
00:52:45.000 It's like.
00:52:46.000 Well, you just have, if you're rolling and stuff, you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic.
00:52:51.000 Anybody that's just like, that doesn't have controlled energy.
00:52:54.000 You know?
00:52:55.000 Yeah.
00:52:55.000 That's the great thing about rolling with black belts.
00:52:58.000 Like, if I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled.
00:53:02.000 Like, we both know what we're doing.
00:53:04.000 So, everyone's like moving at a very controlled pace.
00:53:07.000 You very rarely get injured.
00:53:09.000 When you get injured is when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's on steroids, he's fucking jacked out of his mind.
00:53:16.000 He's trying to choke you out and he's just amped.
00:53:17.000 Yeah, I want to choke out Travis Parker.
00:53:19.000 I want to choke out Travis Parker.
00:53:20.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:53:21.000 Dude, I've been that.
00:53:22.000 I was at a UFC gym.
00:53:25.000 I forget where I was.
00:53:26.000 I was somewhere on tour.
00:53:27.000 And he's like, okay, let's spar a little bit.
00:53:29.000 We're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever.
00:53:31.000 Just kickboxing boxing, and he does a spinning back fist oh, and i'm like, oh my gosh, like I have a show in 45 minutes.
00:53:40.000 Man, like chill, you know um, he's getting concussed 45 minutes before, but I do, I do love it very hard to control too.
00:53:49.000 Yeah, once you start that rotation and that spin and that arm going around, I was, I was almost donezo.
00:53:55.000 Yeah, my son was there.
00:53:56.000 He's like oh yeah, I was like yeah, it probably wasn't, that wasn't good, but yeah, but training is yeah it's, it's so awesome.
00:54:05.000 It's great for getting rid of aggression too.
00:54:07.000 It just cleans your mind up and makes you relaxed.
00:54:10.000 For sure.
00:54:11.000 And it humbles you, I think.
00:54:12.000 Oh, yeah.
00:54:13.000 I feel like everyone should train or at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you.
00:54:17.000 And yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot less hotheads or nostalgic people out there.
00:54:23.000 You know what I mean?
00:54:24.000 100%.
00:54:25.000 Jiu jitsu people are some of the most laid back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet.
00:54:30.000 Yeah, totally.
00:54:32.000 Most of them are very easy going, really kind and very relaxed.
00:54:38.000 And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age.
00:54:41.000 Oh, 100%.
00:54:42.000 Yeah.
00:54:42.000 As long as you're training with good, smart people.
00:54:45.000 Yeah.
00:54:45.000 You know, that's the thing.
00:54:46.000 You got to pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured spastics, people that freak out.
00:54:52.000 And, you know, I used to be a spastic.
00:54:53.000 I get it.
00:54:54.000 You know, when I was young, when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just force everything, do everything fast.
00:55:02.000 But then one day you'll train with someone like Jean-Jacques, and Jean-Jacques just, he never explodes.
00:55:08.000 He's never out of balance.
00:55:10.000 He's never out of position.
00:55:12.000 Everything's just smooth and effortless.
00:55:14.000 And he's talking to you, like while he's rolling, Joe Hogan, look out for your arm, Joe Hogan.
00:55:20.000 He's like, he's having fun.
00:55:22.000 Good.
00:55:22.000 Yeah.
00:55:23.000 And it's an art.
00:55:24.000 It really is, especially when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can do it.
00:55:29.000 It's like, it is an art.
00:55:30.000 It's beautiful to watch.
00:55:31.000 You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle, and it's like, oh my God.
00:55:36.000 It's beautiful.
00:55:37.000 Yeah.
00:55:38.000 And I think I'd done it in the past, and it was a lot of fun, and it was almost like chess up here, but I didn't feel like it was much of a workout.
00:55:50.000 Whereas with him, it's like two hours, he's making it like a show.
00:55:57.000 There's no stopping for long periods of time, and we're just dripping sweat.
00:56:02.000 And I weigh a buck fifty, and he's whatever, two hundred, you know?
00:56:06.000 And he's just, yeah, it's a workout, and it's just challenging, and you're engaged the whole time, and yeah, it just feels good.
00:56:06.000 Yeah.
00:56:15.000 And then if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that, and you know, like, yeah, because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights, like, oh, well, I gotta get in there, I'll fucking, I'd fuck these guys up.
00:56:28.000 Like, yeah.
00:56:29.000 Most men have a very delusional understanding of or belief in their ability to fight.
00:56:35.000 So doing it gives you, like, oh, this is fucking really hard.
00:56:40.000 And then you watch people at an elite level.
00:56:42.000 You know, you watch Chuga Sean O'Malley or someone like that, and you're like, oh, fuck, that's hard to do what he just did.
00:56:47.000 That's crazy.
00:56:48.000 Yeah.
00:56:49.000 It gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of.
00:57:03.000 15,000 people and millions of people on television.
00:57:06.000 Dude, I couldn't imagine.
00:57:08.000 Yeah, I was with Dom one time and me and Dom Cruz.
00:57:11.000 He was just like, try to sleep me.
00:57:13.000 And I'm like, okay.
00:57:14.000 And you know how fast he is and how like I swing and he's over here.
00:57:18.000 It was like, oh, it was so humiliating.
00:57:20.000 But and then he just was just grappling me and not letting me move.
00:57:26.000 And he's like, don't ever, don't ever when you're in a fight be like, do something, do something.
00:57:31.000 This is what it feels like.
00:57:32.000 You know, he was just keeping me there.
00:57:34.000 And I'm like, Oh, I have much more respect for just, yeah, when someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that feels awful.
00:57:44.000 Yeah.
00:57:45.000 And it drains you.
00:57:46.000 It drained me, yeah.
00:57:47.000 And then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep him was, it was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible, you know?
00:57:55.000 His footwork is ridiculous.
00:57:57.000 It's ridiculous.
00:57:58.000 And he really invented a lot of his footwork.
00:58:01.000 Like his footwork is very.
00:58:02.000 Dominic Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was a bantamweight champion, had some of the most.
00:58:08.000 Elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before.
00:58:10.000 It was so unique and so different, and you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training because Dom's system he pretty much developed on his own.
00:58:19.000 And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving.
00:58:23.000 And it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him and they're just mesmerized because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow.
00:58:35.000 And you're like, fuck, where is he?
00:58:37.000 Yeah.
00:58:37.000 You know, and that was such a smart, because he's such an intelligent guy.
00:58:42.000 Which is why he's such a great MMA analyst.
00:58:44.000 Yeah, he's so good.
00:58:45.000 So smart.
00:58:46.000 And he just really figured out okay, I don't have the most power.
00:58:51.000 I'm not the strongest guy.
00:58:52.000 I'm not the biggest guy.
00:58:54.000 What can I have?
00:58:56.000 What can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody?
00:58:58.000 Well, I can be like the most elusive, the most slick moving guy that's ever existed.
00:59:04.000 And I feel like a lot of people in his division adopted it from him.
00:59:07.000 Oh, for sure.
00:59:08.000 Figured it out, you know?
00:59:09.000 Well, they had to adapt.
00:59:10.000 Yeah.
00:59:11.000 You know, when that guy's dominating people and you can't do anything about it, I mean, he humiliated a lot of people.
00:59:18.000 Yeah.
00:59:18.000 He was in front of them, and they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you.
00:59:25.000 Like something right in front of you and there to be hit and taking a shot and then giving one back.
00:59:29.000 Donald's doing none of that.
00:59:30.000 He's like, whoop, here I'm over here, boop.
00:59:32.000 He was like, you know, very much like Lomachenko did in boxing, just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before.
00:59:40.000 And really kind of, again, developed it on his own.
00:59:42.000 If you look at like his camp that he came out of in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that.
00:59:48.000 It was really just him.
00:59:50.000 Yeah.
00:59:51.000 Very, very unique guy.
00:59:53.000 But I love that there's styles that sort of rise, that exist, that.
01:00:00.000 Someone just sort of creates.
01:00:02.000 They just realize, like, what do I have physically as my tools, and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before?
01:00:13.000 Yeah, because there was nothing like him.
01:00:15.000 No.
01:00:15.000 There was nothing.
01:00:16.000 But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like TJ Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork.
01:00:22.000 And a lot of his footwork, guarantee, was inspired by watching Dominic and a lot of these other guys that are.
01:00:30.000 These Corey Sanhagen guys that are constantly switching stances.
01:00:32.000 Yeah, Corey, same thing.
01:00:34.000 The style developed out of that because before Dominic Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that, not even close.
01:00:42.000 And so when you see TJ, you know, like who, in my opinion, was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time, like when he beat Hennen Barrow, which was Hennen Barrow at the time was thought to be, if not the best pound for pound fighter in the world, at least number two behind Jose Aldo, and he was undefeated.
01:01:01.000 And TJ just.
01:01:03.000 Dialed on him.
01:01:04.000 I mean, it was, and he went out there like he was sparring.
01:01:06.000 It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title.
01:01:09.000 He went out there like super loose and focused and relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting him with shots and moving to the left and hitting him with a head kick to the right.
01:01:17.000 Like, fuck.
01:01:18.000 Yeah, he put on a show that fight.
01:01:20.000 It's crazy.
01:01:20.000 One of the greatest title winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure.
01:01:24.000 I wish he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries and everything because he was.
01:01:31.000 He was phenomenal.
01:01:31.000 It's a tragedy.
01:01:32.000 It is a tragedy.
01:01:33.000 I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries.
01:01:35.000 Like, to the point where I think he's going to have to get artificial shoulders.
01:01:40.000 He had no superspinatus on both arms.
01:01:40.000 Damn.
01:01:44.000 It was just completely ripped off.
01:01:45.000 And he would just, like, strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it.
01:01:49.000 And then it would just pop out.
01:01:51.000 You know, when he fought Algemane Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, My shoulder's going to pop out, but it's okay.
01:01:58.000 I'll put it back.
01:01:59.000 Let me keep fighting.
01:02:00.000 Imagine that.
01:02:01.000 You're going to fight Algemane Sterling for the world title, who's a beast and one of the best grapplers ever.
01:02:08.000 And you're thinking, I'm going to fight Algemane Sterling.
01:02:10.000 I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight because it just doesn't stay.
01:02:16.000 Yeah.
01:02:17.000 It's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time, and he's trying to fight.
01:02:22.000 And just all will and discipline and intensity.
01:02:26.000 I think that was Dom's shoulder, too, right?
01:02:28.000 Dom had a bunch.
01:02:28.000 Towards the end?
01:02:29.000 I mean, he had the ACLs.
01:02:30.000 Yeah, he had ACLs.
01:02:32.000 The shoulder was the last one.
01:02:34.000 That was the last straw, his last shoulder surgery.
01:02:37.000 Yeah.
01:02:38.000 I mean, look, the human body is not designed to be punched and kicked.
01:02:43.000 And to be grappled and strangled and twisted and arm barred.
01:02:47.000 It's like at a certain point in time, it just gives out.
01:02:50.000 Yeah.
01:02:51.000 That's just how it is.
01:02:52.000 Yeah.
01:02:52.000 And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind and their body just fails them after a certain point in time.
01:03:00.000 And you see that with some of these older guys.
01:03:03.000 It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that.
01:03:07.000 And then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon.
01:03:11.000 Yeah.
01:03:12.000 Sometimes it's sad to watch, you know, but I also understand the feeling of that's all you know and you just want to keep fighting.
01:03:20.000 Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves.
01:03:23.000 And they always think that.
01:03:24.000 It's what got them there, also.
01:03:26.000 That's how they became a champion in the first place.
01:03:26.000 You know?
01:03:28.000 Like, people telling you, you never play the drums, you're never going to run, you're never going to.
01:03:32.000 And you're like, I'll show you.
01:03:34.000 And that's how they all are.
01:03:35.000 They're all like, I'll show you.
01:03:36.000 And they're like, it's over.
01:03:37.000 You got to hang it up.
01:03:38.000 It's over.
01:03:39.000 Like, no, no, no.
01:03:39.000 Your time is gone.
01:03:40.000 I got one more in me.
01:03:41.000 Yeah.
01:03:42.000 I got three or four more fights in me.
01:03:44.000 I'm going to fight until I'm 41 or whatever it is.
01:03:47.000 That would be so hard.
01:03:48.000 I think of Dustin and I think of, like, even his fight against Islam and his fight against.
01:03:56.000 What's the French fighter?
01:03:57.000 Benoit Sandini.
01:03:58.000 Yeah.
01:03:59.000 Yeah.
01:04:00.000 Dog, I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that in those fights.
01:04:07.000 He's a fucking beast.
01:04:08.000 Yeah, he's a beast.
01:04:09.000 Like, Dustin, to me, isn't.
01:04:12.000 He doesn't look like he's at the end of his career.
01:04:14.000 He's still very competitive.
01:04:16.000 And I think that was the best fight against Islam anyone's fought, you know?
01:04:21.000 It was a very good fight.
01:04:23.000 I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter.
01:04:23.000 He's an elite.
01:04:25.000 So I could see being Dustin and struggling with, like, ah, this is.
01:04:29.000 Hard for me to stop fighting because you're that fucking good.
01:04:32.000 Well, with Dustin, the physical issues aren't even really like joints and neck, it's his head.
01:04:39.000 He's had too many brain injuries.
01:04:41.000 He's got some sort of a separation between the two halves of his brain.
01:04:47.000 There's like some issue with the center of his brain.
01:04:50.000 I don't know.
01:04:50.000 I didn't even know about that.
01:04:51.000 Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly.
01:04:54.000 But I mean, you know, he had that incident where he got drunk and got crazy.
01:05:01.000 But that's a lot of that is CTE, I guarantee.
01:05:04.000 And, you know, he's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that.
01:05:07.000 And he's seeking help.
01:05:09.000 And really, there are some ways that you can recover, at least in some way, and improve on what you're doing.
01:05:17.000 But I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore.
01:05:21.000 You know, it's just at a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate more damage.
01:05:25.000 And then whatever you're dealing with now is just going to get worse.
01:05:29.000 And then maybe you can't recover from it.
01:05:31.000 True.
01:05:32.000 And, you know, he's got a family and he's in this situation where it's like, I want to be there for my family.
01:05:37.000 I don't want to be this guy that's like completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old, where I can't walk anymore and someone's got to take me around and hold my hand.
01:05:45.000 Because there are guys like that, you know, especially like older boxers.
01:05:45.000 Yeah.
01:05:49.000 You run into some old boxers and it's like, it's really sad, man.
01:05:53.000 Yeah.
01:05:54.000 You know, you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking, who's like not much older than me.
01:05:59.000 And you see him talking and moving around, you're like, fuck, like he paid a price.
01:06:04.000 Yeah.
01:06:05.000 These guys pay a price.
01:06:06.000 It's a rough way to make a living.
01:06:09.000 Yeah, the fight game is crazy.
01:06:12.000 It's the craziest.
01:06:13.000 I'm happy my drums don't hit me back straight up.
01:06:16.000 You know, I'm like, yeah.
01:06:19.000 It's also, you can do what you do for a long time.
01:06:23.000 I mean, you can play drums for a long time.
01:06:26.000 When you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life, and it's just there's so much that you have to pour into it, and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed.
01:06:39.000 And you have to move on.
01:06:40.000 Even though you're still young and you still have all this life, and look at a guy like Dustin, he looks fucking great.
01:06:45.000 You know, he looks great, he sounds great when you're talking to him.
01:06:48.000 Seems like he's all there physically.
01:06:50.000 He looks like he's never been better, but the window is closed.
01:06:54.000 You know, there's these young guys coming up, and they don't have the injuries that you have, they don't have the problems that you have, they don't have the wear and tear.
01:07:03.000 And they're going to get to you before you get to them.
01:07:06.000 And maybe they wouldn't have gotten to you five years ago or six years ago, but again now, and it's just not there anymore.
01:07:14.000 And it's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting.
01:07:21.000 So that would be the most difficult thing in the world.
01:07:24.000 Yeah.
01:07:25.000 But the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever going to know.
01:07:31.000 I heard someone talking about it, and they were saying, imagine being a cage fighter, and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years to be locked in a cage in your underwear to scrap with someone and have the most grueling fight camps, and then we're just going to take you out of it, and you can't do that anymore.
01:07:50.000 Yeah.
01:07:50.000 It's like.
01:07:51.000 That's all you've known.
01:07:53.000 You know, it's a.
01:07:55.000 They experienced a different life than us, you know?
01:07:59.000 Their highs are way higher.
01:08:01.000 Yeah.
01:08:02.000 Highest of highs, lowest of lows.
01:08:04.000 The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights.
01:08:09.000 I mean, it's like Connor keeps trying to come back.
01:08:11.000 It's like all these guys, it's like that thing.
01:08:13.000 Like, Connor's worth like a half a billion dollars.
01:08:15.000 Like, he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to.
01:08:17.000 Yeah.
01:08:18.000 But he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory.
01:08:23.000 Yeah.
01:08:24.000 Whatever the discipline that Khabib had, where he could just, he completely walked out on top, right?
01:08:30.000 Yeah.
01:08:30.000 Retired on top.
01:08:31.000 That's beautiful.
01:08:33.000 And if everyone could have the discipline to do it like that, you know?
01:08:39.000 Yeah, but that guy is scary.
01:08:41.000 That's rare.
01:08:41.000 That guy's got Mount Everest discipline.
01:08:43.000 It's like a different kind of discipline.
01:08:45.000 That's why he's one of the greatest.
01:08:48.000 Yeah, one of the greatest of all time.
01:08:49.000 And that's why, you know, what's interesting is he's stayed training.
01:08:53.000 He's been training ever since he retired.
01:08:55.000 And he says he's much better now.
01:08:58.000 Than when he retired.
01:09:00.000 Could you imagine?
01:09:00.000 Wow.
01:09:02.000 Isn't it crazy?
01:09:02.000 He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now.
01:09:09.000 Wow.
01:09:09.000 How he does things differently in training now.
01:09:11.000 And I know guys who train with him and they say he fucking mauls people.
01:09:15.000 He's mauling these top 10 UFC contenders and he gets in with them and they can't hold on to him.
01:09:22.000 He's fucking, he's an animal.
01:09:25.000 And he's not even training for, not even thinking about fighting again.
01:09:25.000 I believe it.
01:09:30.000 But he's an awesome coach now, too.
01:09:32.000 And having a guy like that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having Khabib Nurmagamedov coach them.
01:09:40.000 Like, you're being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guys that's ever competed in the sport.
01:09:46.000 Retired, undefeated, one of the rare ones.
01:09:49.000 And he's your coach, and you want to make him happy.
01:09:51.000 You want to make him proud.
01:09:53.000 Yeah, having his guidance.
01:09:54.000 Yeah.
01:09:56.000 Well, he's going to be in Islam's corner this weekend.
01:09:58.000 I'm leaving tomorrow.
01:09:59.000 Dude, I can't wait.
01:10:00.000 It's going to be sick.
01:10:01.000 I can't wait.
01:10:02.000 That's a good fight.
01:10:03.000 Very, very interesting fight because Ian Machado Gary is a very difficult guy to get a hold of.
01:10:08.000 Very tall and long.
01:10:10.000 Fast as fuck.
01:10:10.000 Yeah.
01:10:11.000 Good striker.
01:10:12.000 Very smart.
01:10:13.000 Knows how to win.
01:10:14.000 Knows how to adapt and change.
01:10:16.000 Islam striking is fierce too, though.
01:10:19.000 Oh, yeah.
01:10:20.000 Yeah.
01:10:20.000 It's a lot better than it used to be.
01:10:23.000 And at like the same level as all the other guys in the sport, which is really crazy because his grappling is above and beyond.
01:10:31.000 So it's like you're dealing with a guy who, There's no picnic on the feet.
01:10:34.000 He'll fuck you up on the feet.
01:10:36.000 I mean, he knocked out Volkanovsky with a head kick.
01:10:39.000 He's elite on the feet.
01:10:41.000 And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him.
01:10:43.000 There's no one like him in the division, in any division.
01:10:46.000 He is a crusher.
01:10:49.000 He just crushes people.
01:10:51.000 Yeah, he's nasty.
01:10:52.000 I mean, you think about how good Charles Oliveira is, one of the greatest submission artists of all time.
01:10:57.000 Islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him, just crushed him quickly, just made him tap quick.
01:11:03.000 It was incredible.
01:11:04.000 Everybody thought the fight was going to be more competitive.
01:11:06.000 Yeah.
01:11:06.000 Everybody did.
01:11:07.000 Yeah, but that's how good Islam is.
01:11:10.000 You know, and he's also a guy that, like, you cannot train harder than him, it's not humanly possible.
01:11:17.000 So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him.
01:11:22.000 It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has.
01:11:26.000 I mean, those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level.
01:11:32.000 I mean, there is an entire room filled with absolute savages, and they're just getting after it every day, full discipline.
01:11:41.000 No one drinks, no one parties, no one does everything.
01:11:43.000 They pray five times a day.
01:11:45.000 They're super religious, and they're just driven.
01:11:49.000 And.
01:11:49.000 Yeah.
01:11:50.000 You know, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that.
01:11:56.000 It's going to be a fun weekend.
01:11:57.000 Yeah.
01:11:58.000 That main event is very tricky because Ian can move, man.
01:12:02.000 He's a really slick guy, really tall, and he's also very fast and long.
01:12:08.000 So he's going to have a significant height and reach advantage.
01:12:11.000 He's going to be moving all over the place, landing.
01:12:15.000 And if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he could get caught.
01:12:20.000 And you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times.
01:12:24.000 If at all, you know, before you're in trouble.
01:12:27.000 So it should be very interesting.
01:12:30.000 Those are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle.
01:12:32.000 Yeah, it's like styles make fights.
01:12:33.000 Oh, that one, that's like a great example.
01:12:36.000 Yes.
01:12:37.000 And it's also Ian has this insane confidence.
01:12:40.000 He has this insane belief that he's special, that, you know, this is his destiny.
01:12:45.000 And that, you know, I mean, it looks like that at every weigh in, it looks like that at every stare down, it looks like that at every press conference.
01:12:52.000 Like, this is his destiny.
01:12:54.000 He really believes that.
01:12:55.000 Which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have, like almost a delusional belief in themselves.
01:13:01.000 Yeah.
01:13:02.000 I saw an interview where he was, he actually said he believes in the balance with his family, with every part of his life, where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to 10 weeks they're fighting or they're training.
01:13:21.000 And he's like, no, I actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great.
01:13:26.000 So I believe in more balance than imbalance.
01:13:30.000 I think it depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like?
01:13:38.000 You know, what is the relationship with your wife and your children like?
01:13:41.000 Is it harmonious?
01:13:42.000 And is it, do you get love from it and strength and inspiration?
01:13:46.000 Or is there chaos?
01:13:48.000 Is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and bullshit?
01:13:52.000 Like the Mark Carr fight, the movie?
01:13:55.000 Mark Carr, yeah.
01:13:55.000 The Smashing Machine?
01:13:56.000 Oh my God, when she's fighting, when she's squabbling with him right before he goes out to fucking fight, I was like, ah, I was like, oh, I could.
01:14:03.000 Feel for him.
01:14:04.000 Oh, dude, I've seen that before.
01:14:05.000 I've seen that with multiple fighters.
01:14:09.000 I know one guy who, during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him like huge fights.
01:14:17.000 Because she didn't like that this one thing, fighting, was more important to him than her.
01:14:23.000 She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention.
01:14:26.000 And when there was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist.
01:14:30.000 This thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it.
01:14:35.000 She would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door, and just be gone and shut her phone off.
01:14:35.000 So she would start fights.
01:14:41.000 And here he is freaking out.
01:14:43.000 He's got to fight for the world title in, you know, whatever, 20 hours.
01:14:47.000 And he's dealing with this nonsense.
01:14:51.000 It's the worst.
01:14:52.000 I can't imagine.
01:14:53.000 Well, I think that's why some guys, they'd rather take that isolated approach.
01:14:58.000 They just would rather just do the Spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this, like, very hard six to eight week life.
01:15:12.000 I feel that part.
01:15:12.000 Like, I can't even.
01:15:14.000 Even leading up to shows, I can't be too comfortable.
01:15:16.000 Really?
01:15:17.000 Oh, no.
01:15:18.000 Like, I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room.
01:15:22.000 I need to be uncomfortable.
01:15:23.000 Really?
01:15:24.000 Yeah.
01:15:24.000 Why is that?
01:15:28.000 I don't know.
01:15:28.000 It's just, that's all I've known, too, you know?
01:15:31.000 It's like that.
01:15:34.000 I don't know.
01:15:35.000 I came up like lugging my own gear around, setting up my drums, and then waiting for the show to start.
01:15:39.000 And I don't, I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from a nap.
01:15:44.000 It's just, It's just not in me.
01:15:45.000 I'm up jump roping.
01:15:47.000 I'm up like watching fights.
01:15:48.000 I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new.
01:15:52.000 That's the best headspace for me to be in.
01:15:54.000 Well, I would imagine the difference between drumming and I think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical.
01:16:01.000 It's so physical that it's like a workout.
01:16:04.000 Like you have to be in shape to drum.
01:16:06.000 You have to.
01:16:07.000 Yeah, I can't feel sluggish.
01:16:09.000 Like, I don't know.
01:16:11.000 I'm a fucking weirdo though.
01:16:12.000 I'm like worried about like what I eat.
01:16:14.000 Like, do I have enough energy?
01:16:16.000 Have I, you know what I mean?
01:16:18.000 I, Yeah, and just jump roping right before I play.
01:16:21.000 Well, this is also dialing it in, right?
01:16:23.000 And knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had.
01:16:27.000 You've had so many experiences, so many performances that you can just dial it in.
01:16:31.000 I think that in that way it's very similar to fighting every fighter has to have their own approach.
01:16:36.000 And Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time.
01:16:39.000 And Islam Akhachev's approach is very different.
01:16:42.000 It's like Spartan, all those guys together, eat and train with the guys, just separate yourself from everything.
01:16:50.000 Yeah, it's super personal.
01:16:52.000 Yeah, it's got to be personal because everybody's got a different.
01:16:55.000 Everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different triggers, different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down, you know?
01:17:04.000 Also, I have all these weird, whatever, where I'm jump roping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage.
01:17:04.000 Yeah.
01:17:10.000 And then there's the times where everything, I get thrown a curveball and I get to the venue five minutes before and I can go up and do it like no problem because I think I've done all this other preparation.
01:17:25.000 Right.
01:17:25.000 It's like.
01:17:26.000 I also know it works without it.
01:17:28.000 Right.
01:17:28.000 Yeah.
01:17:29.000 You're always ready.
01:17:31.000 Stay ready so you're always ready.
01:17:32.000 Yes.
01:17:33.000 Yeah.
01:17:33.000 I live by that.
01:17:34.000 Stay ready so you don't have to get ready.
01:17:36.000 Yeah.
01:17:37.000 That's the goal.
01:17:39.000 Yeah.
01:17:40.000 Well, fighters have that too because the fighters that get like really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle.
01:17:46.000 Like Patty.
01:17:47.000 Yeah.
01:17:48.000 Where you see him blow up like a week later.
01:17:50.000 It's like, it's not even the same person.
01:17:51.000 Patty, it's a little deceptive.
01:17:54.000 Patty gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape.
01:17:54.000 Really?
01:17:57.000 Patty's got incredible endurance and an insane work ethic, but he also really loves to live and live life.
01:18:07.000 So, have a few beers, eat some pizza, get fat, but he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody.
01:18:17.000 There's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time.
01:18:22.000 So, even when he gets fat, it's just eating.
01:18:25.000 He's just eating piles of food.
01:18:27.000 I'm sure if you.
01:18:28.000 I'm sure when you see him with his big moon face, if he got to the gym and worked out, you'd be like, fuck.
01:18:33.000 Yeah, still a beast.
01:18:34.000 Yeah, it's not like he's going to be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag.
01:18:38.000 No, like, he's, it's only fat.
01:18:43.000 Yeah.
01:18:43.000 You know, and then he's got the, and then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food.
01:18:53.000 And like there's a certain like shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped.
01:19:01.000 And he goes from being fat to ripped.
01:19:03.000 Yeah.
01:19:04.000 I mean, he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like, oh, that guy's never going to make weight.
01:19:08.000 And then he shows up at the weigh ins, shredded, chiseled.
01:19:12.000 I don't think I see anyone with as big of a transformation.
01:19:12.000 Yeah.
01:19:16.000 No.
01:19:17.000 No, his is beyond.
01:19:18.000 And people love him for it, too.
01:19:20.000 That's also part of the craziness of it.
01:19:22.000 They celebrate it because it's so silly.
01:19:25.000 Yeah, he's so likable.
01:19:26.000 Yeah.
01:19:28.000 He's great.
01:19:29.000 So fucking skillful, too.
01:19:30.000 What he did to Benoit Saint Denis was nuts.
01:19:33.000 And the Gaetje fight was like.
01:19:33.000 And it choked me.
01:19:34.000 Oh, yeah.
01:19:36.000 That was one of the best fights I've seen in person.
01:19:39.000 It was an awesome fight.
01:19:39.000 Where I was like, what the fuck just happened?
01:19:42.000 Well, you see what Gaetje just did to Ilya Taporia, and now you realize how fucking tough Patty is.
01:19:47.000 Yeah.
01:19:48.000 Patty's tough.
01:19:50.000 He's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likable and he's dancing around.
01:19:56.000 But when it gets down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nails.
01:20:00.000 Yeah.
01:20:00.000 Scary how quick that was.
01:20:02.000 Yeah.
01:20:03.000 And Gagey's just fucked.
01:20:06.000 Thank God for him.
01:20:07.000 Yeah.
01:20:07.000 He's so.
01:20:10.000 I was so happy.
01:20:11.000 Me too.
01:20:12.000 It was incredible.
01:20:13.000 And seeing him do that in the White House, on the lawn of the White House and win the world title when everybody thought he was like a 6 1 underdog.
01:20:21.000 On some sports books, which is nuts.
01:20:23.000 I thought that was very disrespectful.
01:20:25.000 I loved the one that was crazy.
01:20:25.000 I loved his interviews.
01:20:27.000 And when he was like, I couldn't let him fucking win just based on how bad he was going to disrespect me after he beat me.
01:20:27.000 Yeah.
01:20:37.000 The shit he was going to say on the mic, whatever, I was like, nah, it wasn't going to happen.
01:20:41.000 I love that.
01:20:42.000 I love that.
01:20:43.000 Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily.
01:20:51.000 But the thing about Gaichi is he has zero quit in him.
01:20:55.000 You can't get him to quit.
01:20:56.000 He's never going to quit.
01:20:58.000 It's like you could break his body down like Max Holloway did and knock him unconscious.
01:21:02.000 And there's nothing you can do about that.
01:21:04.000 You get knocked unconscious, you're knocked unconscious.
01:21:07.000 It's just physical.
01:21:08.000 Yeah, I've never seen Gagey like that, you know, in the Max fight.
01:21:12.000 No.
01:21:13.000 And I love Max.
01:21:14.000 And I just, yeah, that was like shocking.
01:21:17.000 Yeah, it was pretty crazy.
01:21:18.000 It was pretty crazy.
01:21:19.000 It was, that was, and then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever it was, it was amazing.
01:21:28.000 Sick story.
01:21:29.000 Yeah.
01:21:30.000 It's a great sport, man.
01:21:32.000 I mean, there's nothing like it in terms of like the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement.
01:21:37.000 There's nothing like it.
01:21:40.000 I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the Apex.
01:21:44.000 I think that's the last time we ran into each other.
01:21:46.000 And Ganwa and Stipe fought.
01:21:48.000 Was that what it was?
01:21:50.000 Wasn't that crazy?
01:21:50.000 Wow.
01:21:52.000 Oh, being in that small venue when that happened was like.
01:21:56.000 Small venue, no audience.
01:21:58.000 Quiet.
01:21:59.000 There was probably like maybe.
01:22:01.000 50 people in the whole room, maybe 100 in the whole room.
01:22:05.000 You could hear a needle drop too when it happened.
01:22:07.000 I think that's the first fight I took my wife to, and she was like, What?
01:22:10.000 Like, yeah.
01:22:12.000 Oh, that was a devastating fight too.
01:22:14.000 And there was also a heavyweight fight in the small octagon.
01:22:18.000 So the Apex, for people that don't know, has an octagon that I think is 30 or 40% smaller.
01:22:26.000 Damn, is it that much smaller?
01:22:27.000 Yeah, how much smaller is it?
01:22:29.000 Let's put that into perplexity.
01:22:31.000 Ask it.
01:22:31.000 How much smaller is the UFC Apex octagon versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas?
01:22:39.000 And you're trapped in there with Francis?
01:22:41.000 Exactly.
01:22:42.000 And also, Francis looking for revenge.
01:22:42.000 Exactly.
01:22:45.000 Because this is a Stipe beat Francis in his first loss.
01:22:45.000 Yeah.
01:22:49.000 Okay.
01:22:51.000 30%.
01:22:51.000 30% less space.
01:22:53.000 That's a lot, man.
01:22:54.000 30% is crazy.
01:22:56.000 So you can see the images there.
01:22:58.000 When you see the apex next to the big one, the pay per view one, like that is a lot of space.
01:23:05.000 And you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived.
01:23:11.000 Yeah.
01:23:12.000 And you can't move.
01:23:13.000 You know, there's not a lot of movement.
01:23:15.000 A lot of people like that because it's kind of, you know, it forces action.
01:23:20.000 But I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended, for them to paint their masterpiece.
01:23:29.000 You got to be able to have angles to get out.
01:23:32.000 And if you're just constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there, you could move to the side, move in, and counter.
01:23:41.000 You know, like think like when Sugar Sean O'Malley knocked out Al Jermaine Sterling, and Al Jermaine is.
01:23:46.000 Pressing forward.
01:23:48.000 Now, if the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far.
01:23:53.000 It cuts off a lot of the possibilities.
01:23:56.000 Cuts off a lot of things.
01:23:58.000 That was another shocker, right?
01:24:00.000 Oh, it was amazing.
01:24:01.000 Yeah.
01:24:02.000 When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy and then.
01:24:06.000 And the walk off?
01:24:07.000 Walk off.
01:24:08.000 Oh, hard.
01:24:09.000 So hard.
01:24:10.000 And he said he envisioned it, which is even cooler.
01:24:13.000 Like he saw it in his mind that that's what he was going to do.
01:24:18.000 Yeah, that was great.
01:24:18.000 He had actually, we were texted back and forth.
01:24:21.000 He's like, I need to knock him out.
01:24:22.000 And I was like, when it happened, I was like, oh, that's just like right off into the sunset, you know?
01:24:28.000 Well, in his position, he really needed something special because Mirab versus Pyotr Jan wasn't formally announced yet.
01:24:39.000 And it was thought like maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Pyotr Jan.
01:24:46.000 That didn't come to be.
01:24:48.000 So now Pyotr Jan and Mirab are having a rematch.
01:24:52.000 And after that rematch, if I had a guess, it's most likely going to be Sean fighting for the title again.
01:24:59.000 And he has that win over Peter.
01:25:01.000 So that's deciding, right?
01:25:02.000 But he doesn't have a win over Mirab.
01:25:04.000 So if Mirab wins the title again, he's going to be like, fuck!
01:25:07.000 Yeah, it's like you said, styles make fights.
01:25:10.000 I mean, it doesn't mean that he can't beat Mirab.
01:25:10.000 Yeah.
01:25:13.000 I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody, but it's just he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle that is that little.
01:25:23.000 Georgian Tasmanian devil that never gets tired.
01:25:27.000 Yeah, just he's like the energizer rabbit, like just keeps going.
01:25:31.000 Dude, have you ever seen what Marab's face looks like when they did like an X ray of his face, an MRI?
01:25:37.000 No, his broken nose.
01:25:38.000 No, it might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life.
01:25:42.000 Did he say he's not gonna get it fixed?
01:25:43.000 He's not gonna get it fixed because then he'll have to take a year off of fighting.
01:25:47.000 Not only a year off of fighting, I don't think he can even spar for a long time.
01:25:52.000 So he can't, that's what his nose looks like.
01:25:54.000 Whoa, yo, it looks like.
01:25:55.000 Do you know who Pusshead is?
01:25:57.000 No.
01:25:58.000 Okay, Pusshead's the illest artist ever.
01:26:00.000 He did like misfits, he did like Metallica stuff, he did these skulls.
01:26:05.000 Tell me that doesn't look like that looks like Marab's face, top right, right there.
01:26:10.000 So he's the illest.
01:26:11.000 He did like Zorlax skateboarding, did a bunch of Thrasher stuff.
01:26:15.000 Yeah.
01:26:15.000 Wow.
01:26:16.000 That's dude.
01:26:17.000 Exactly.
01:26:19.000 We got it.
01:26:20.000 Yeah, Marab's got to do a skull t shirt or some kind of merch with that.
01:26:24.000 Dude, look at it.
01:26:25.000 He totally should.
01:26:26.000 That should be his logo.
01:26:27.000 Look at that nose, man.
01:26:29.000 Look at the break of the bone, how hard it's turned towards his right eye.
01:26:34.000 I mean, it's really insane.
01:26:35.000 I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose.
01:26:40.000 Yeah.
01:26:41.000 His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has.
01:26:47.000 Yeah.
01:26:48.000 Look at his nose.
01:26:49.000 I mean, it's crazy.
01:26:50.000 The twist in that thing is fucking insane.
01:26:54.000 I mean, it's like it covers part of his vision.
01:26:57.000 Yeah.
01:26:59.000 I feel like he's been out, what, six, seven months now?
01:27:03.000 It's been a while.
01:27:04.000 Yeah.
01:27:05.000 It's been a while since he fought again.
01:27:06.000 I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Piotr, and now they're going to have a rematch.
01:27:11.000 And what he had defended the belt three times in that year, right?
01:27:15.000 I think it was three times.
01:27:16.000 Yeah, well, it was definitely a strength of schedule, it was tough because, you know, you're going through these camps, you have these brutal weight cuts.
01:27:24.000 It's like your body gets worn out.
01:27:27.000 But then there's also Pyotr Jan, who had fought Mirab before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight.
01:27:37.000 Yeah, that performance was amazing.
01:27:39.000 Jan is a fucking assassin, too, man.
01:27:41.000 He's a scary guy.
01:27:42.000 He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy.
01:27:46.000 And now he already knows that he can beat Murab.
01:27:49.000 So it's going to be interesting to see who makes the adjustments in the rematch.
01:27:53.000 When is that happening?
01:27:55.000 Is that scheduled?
01:27:56.000 The Murab fight?
01:27:58.000 I think it is.
01:28:00.000 I don't know when it is, but I'm 90% sure that they've scheduled that fight.
01:28:06.000 That might be Salt Lake City.
01:28:09.000 Is that the Salt Lake City fight?
01:28:12.000 I don't know, but.
01:28:13.000 It's exciting.
01:28:14.000 Yeah.
01:28:15.000 It's a great time for the sport.
01:28:15.000 Yeah.
01:28:17.000 I mean, the sport is on fire right now.
01:28:19.000 Technically says TBD.
01:28:21.000 TBD.
01:28:22.000 But it is announced?
01:28:23.000 No, I mean, no.
01:28:24.000 The Salt Lake City has a TBD for that.
01:28:27.000 But if you look up Mirab versus Peuterion 2, does it say where it's happening?
01:28:27.000 Oh.
01:28:33.000 Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at, and it doesn't have anything popping up.
01:28:37.000 I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening.
01:28:40.000 L.A. card.
01:28:41.000 It looks crazy.
01:28:42.000 Yeah.
01:28:42.000 You going?
01:28:43.000 Yeah.
01:28:43.000 I think so.
01:28:44.000 That should be fun.
01:28:45.000 Yeah.
01:28:46.000 Are you.
01:28:47.000 How far are you touring right now at all?
01:28:50.000 Like, what's going on?
01:28:51.000 Nah, I'm just in the studio this year.
01:28:53.000 Okay, finished writing and producing a few albums and then was finishing this doc.
01:29:00.000 So, what is the LA card right now?
01:29:02.000 It's Pantosia versus Joshua Vance.
01:29:04.000 I'm seeing a post that says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October.
01:29:09.000 Oh, the rematch with Pyotr Jan and Murab?
01:29:11.000 Yep.
01:29:12.000 Okay, that sounds that makes sense.
01:29:15.000 That'd be a good one for Abu Dhabi.
01:29:16.000 Yeah, yeah, the LA card's gonna be sick.
01:29:19.000 So, it's uh.
01:29:21.000 Armand Sarukian versus Mauricio Hufi.
01:29:26.000 That's going to be insane.
01:29:27.000 Laikano versus Ortega.
01:29:30.000 That's this weekend, Jamie.
01:29:31.000 Oh, sorry.
01:29:32.000 Which one did you want?
01:29:33.000 The LA card.
01:29:34.000 Oh, my bad.
01:29:35.000 No worries.
01:29:42.000 That's it.
01:29:43.000 Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Vann and Pantogia.
01:29:46.000 Dude, I can't wait to see what happens.
01:29:47.000 Yeah, man, that Pantogia arm break was such a bummer.
01:29:51.000 Yeah.
01:29:52.000 To have him fall back like that.
01:29:54.000 Yeah, Moicano versus Brian Ortega.
01:29:57.000 Yeah, it should be fun.
01:29:59.000 Gable Stevenson, again.
01:30:01.000 Cheeto.
01:30:02.000 Yeah.
01:30:03.000 Against Charles Jordan.
01:30:04.000 Yeah, it should be fun.
01:30:07.000 LA crowds are always fun, too, because UFC doesn't get to LA very often.
01:30:11.000 It's always pretty hyped up.
01:30:13.000 Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to LA.
01:30:16.000 I love Vegas, but something about LA, you know?
01:30:18.000 You still like living there?
01:30:19.000 Los Angeles?
01:30:20.000 Yeah.
01:30:20.000 Yeah, I love it.
01:30:22.000 Do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic?
01:30:22.000 I mean.
01:30:28.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past DeSoto.
01:30:34.000 That's the goal.
01:30:35.000 That's like my living is wake up with my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back.
01:30:42.000 Well, I actually just bought a garage where I keep all my cars.
01:30:48.000 So some days I'll leave my house.
01:30:51.000 It's a three mile run.
01:30:53.000 I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my old school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home.
01:30:59.000 That's the perfect day.
01:31:01.000 I don't drive past DeSoto.
01:31:03.000 That's nice.
01:31:04.000 Yeah.
01:31:04.000 Yeah.
01:31:05.000 If you could do that and avoid the The real chaos that's the center of the hive of LA.
01:31:11.000 Yeah.
01:31:12.000 Once in a while, I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or something that, you know, me and the wife want to do or me and the kids.
01:31:21.000 But other than that, studio home, studio home, train.
01:31:25.000 Smart.
01:31:26.000 Yeah.
01:31:27.000 Yeah, that's definitely a better life.
01:31:29.000 Yeah.
01:31:30.000 I have friends that live in the heart of it, like in West Hollywood.
01:31:33.000 I'm like, what is it like?
01:31:34.000 They're like, it's not the same.
01:31:36.000 Yeah.
01:31:36.000 It's not the same.
01:31:37.000 It's just.
01:31:38.000 Yeah, I couldn't do it.
01:31:39.000 The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit, you know, like I'll go to crossroads, I'll go do whatever, but it's rare.
01:31:48.000 Yeah, I can only imagine.
01:31:49.000 Yeah.
01:31:51.000 Did you ever think about getting out?
01:31:53.000 I don't know if I could do it yet.
01:31:55.000 I think, like, for what I do, you know, besides like playing in Blink or touring when I'm home, I'll get a call and they'll say, hey, can we come by the studio?
01:32:06.000 I want to make this with you.
01:32:07.000 I want you to play drums on this.
01:32:10.000 I'll see.
01:32:11.000 Walking in my neighborhood, Trav, I need you on this record.
01:32:13.000 Blah, blah, blah.
01:32:14.000 I just, there's so much that happens right there for me.
01:32:19.000 I think there'll come a time where I don't need to be there, but right now I feel like I'm in demand and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff and I'm recording a bunch of stuff.
01:32:29.000 So it makes sense for me.
01:32:30.000 Do you ever have some thought about like living in the country and retiring somewhere and just like laying back?
01:32:37.000 Yeah, we were on tour and there was a huge storm.
01:32:43.000 In Nashville area.
01:32:44.000 So we were in Franklin for a few days Franklin Tennessee, and we immediately started looking at houses like we gotta go here.
01:32:53.000 But we, we kind of do that everywhere we go.
01:32:56.000 You know we, you know you travel, you go on vacation.
01:32:59.000 You're like we want to live here, we want to get a spot here.
01:33:01.000 But I do, I do love southern California.
01:33:04.000 Uh, we have a spot up north, like in Santa Barbara.
01:33:07.000 I love.
01:33:07.000 I love Santa Barbara as well.
01:33:09.000 Um, I love the desert.
01:33:11.000 Santa Barbara's awesome.
01:33:12.000 I feel like moving around in southern California keeps things fresh, like Going to the desert for a week or a few days, going to Santa Barbara, and then during the week, staying in Calabasas, or like Los Angeles and you know, working out of there.
01:33:26.000 The Montecito area is insane, yeah.
01:33:28.000 Montecito is gorgeous, and I also feel like the desert, like Coachella out there, is uh, you feel like you're in a different world, you feel much further away from LA and all the chaos than you are, yeah.
01:33:40.000 It's cool, yeah.
01:33:41.000 No doubt.
01:33:42.000 I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves, yeah.
01:33:47.000 True.
01:33:48.000 It's a very unique environment out there.
01:33:50.000 Yeah.
01:33:51.000 It's kind of weird that they decided to put music festivals out there.
01:33:54.000 I know.
01:33:55.000 It's wild.
01:33:56.000 You know, one of my best friends, when I left home at around 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options.
01:34:05.000 He said, join the military like me, start paying rent, or take off.
01:34:10.000 So I took off, right?
01:34:11.000 I was a trash man in Laguna Beach for a while.
01:34:13.000 Then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold.
01:34:17.000 He had this.
01:34:18.000 This promoting company called 98 Posse, and he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything.
01:34:25.000 And he ended up starting Coachella.
01:34:27.000 Oh, wow!
01:34:28.000 He's just been he was obsessed, like what we talked about earlier.
01:34:31.000 He was one of those people that were obsessed, and I watched him build this amazing festival.
01:34:37.000 And yeah, he's just pretty awesome.
01:34:40.000 But the city of Coachella is crickets all the rest of the year.
01:34:47.000 There's nothing.
01:34:48.000 It gets so hot, it's 115.
01:34:50.000 Most businesses close down halfway through the day.
01:34:53.000 They're open for the morning.
01:34:55.000 And then when Coachella happens, the city thrives, and it's just chaos.
01:35:02.000 Are they happy with that?
01:35:03.000 That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people.
01:35:07.000 I don't know.
01:35:08.000 I don't own a business out there, but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's 115, 120 and no one's coming out of the house, I feel like they're almost like Coachella saves them.
01:35:21.000 Like the festival saves everybody.
01:35:23.000 Oh, definitely.
01:35:24.000 Just the volume of people in the town.
01:35:26.000 The volume of people that comes through, I think, saves all the businesses.
01:35:29.000 For sure, if you have a business.
01:35:32.000 The season, or whatever they call it, and it's considered too hot.
01:35:34.000 Most businesses are open from 9 to 1 p.m.
01:35:38.000 That drive out to the desert, though, is like, better make sure your air conditioning works.
01:35:43.000 And no old school cars.
01:35:45.000 Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip.
01:35:48.000 Well, the only thing I've driven from L.A. to La Quinta out there is have you ever heard of Velocity?
01:35:59.000 Yeah.
01:36:00.000 I got a K5 from them.
01:36:01.000 Oh, nice.
01:36:02.000 You could drive that out there.
01:36:03.000 I'm not sure it has one of those.
01:36:05.000 Yeah, they're sick.
01:36:06.000 Yeah, he got one of their blazers.
01:36:08.000 They make such a great K5.
01:36:10.000 Yeah, he loves his.
01:36:12.000 Yeah, they do.
01:36:13.000 I think I've seen his.
01:36:14.000 Yeah, it's all black.
01:36:15.000 Oh, it's brown?
01:36:15.000 It's brown.
01:36:16.000 I'm colorblind.
01:36:17.000 Are you really?
01:36:18.000 I'm fucking severely colorblind.
01:36:20.000 Wow.
01:36:20.000 I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color things are sometimes.
01:36:23.000 That's how bad it is.
01:36:25.000 I'll be like, what color is your favorite?
01:36:27.000 And then he'll tell me what colors they are.
01:36:29.000 Does that look black to you?
01:36:29.000 It's Tom's.
01:36:32.000 Kinda.
01:36:33.000 Yeah.
01:36:34.000 That really looks black to me.
01:36:35.000 Yeah, well, that's pretty dark.
01:36:36.000 Okay.
01:36:37.000 That's in the shadows.
01:36:38.000 That's like back in the shadows.
01:36:39.000 I have an all black one.
01:36:40.000 What a sick looking truck.
01:36:43.000 So, a lot of people build these K5s and they do resto mods, but they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great, or it's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great, or they do too much.
01:36:59.000 Like, this isn't overdone.
01:37:01.000 They make the perfect resto mod.
01:37:03.000 It's reliable.
01:37:03.000 Yeah, it's reliable.
01:37:05.000 Oh, yeah, there's mine.
01:37:06.000 Oh, nice.
01:37:08.000 Oh, you got it very old school looking.
01:37:09.000 I love it.
01:37:10.000 Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock.
01:37:13.000 It does.
01:37:14.000 I have a couple K5s, but this is the Velocity one.
01:37:17.000 I have an OG orange one with plaid interior that's 72 that still has the old school engine and everything.
01:37:24.000 Oh, really?
01:37:26.000 And it just stays in Palm Springs, and that's where we drive that one.
01:37:29.000 Does it have the old school brakes too?
01:37:31.000 Yeah, fuck that.
01:37:31.000 Nah.
01:37:32.000 That's it right there.
01:37:33.000 Oh, no.
01:37:34.000 But see how it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs.
01:37:37.000 You know, my wife drives it a lot.
01:37:39.000 Oh, that's cool.
01:37:40.000 Yeah.
01:37:41.000 K Vives are dope.
01:37:42.000 I have a 72 Bronco from Icon.
01:37:44.000 Sick.
01:37:45.000 Icon was great.
01:37:46.000 They made a blazer.
01:37:46.000 Yeah.
01:37:48.000 Yeah, they did.
01:37:48.000 I almost bought it.
01:37:49.000 It was so good.
01:37:50.000 And he's so cool.
01:37:51.000 Is it John?
01:37:52.000 Yeah.
01:37:52.000 Yeah.
01:37:53.000 I feel like he kind of set it all off.
01:37:55.000 Jonathan Ward.
01:37:56.000 Oh, that's the one.
01:37:57.000 So I built that with Delmo and a couple people around LA.
01:37:57.000 Okay.
01:38:02.000 I just took it from shop to shop.
01:38:04.000 This was my version of a velocity.
01:38:06.000 That thing's sick.
01:38:07.000 It didn't drive as good as a velocity restoration.
01:38:09.000 Well, it's also, you're so lifted.
01:38:12.000 Like the handling on the thing must be rough.
01:38:12.000 Yeah.
01:38:15.000 Like going around corners and shit.
01:38:17.000 It was really cool.
01:38:18.000 I was really proud of it.
01:38:19.000 It's beautiful.
01:38:20.000 That's very cool looking.
01:38:20.000 Thank you.
01:38:22.000 There's something about that iconic design, there's something with the way those things look.
01:38:27.000 God, that looks awesome.
01:38:27.000 Like, look at that.
01:38:29.000 I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks.
01:38:32.000 Like, I was like, what?
01:38:33.000 This is, it doesn't get any better than this.
01:38:37.000 Yeah.
01:38:38.000 It is, there's a weird thing about old school cars.
01:38:41.000 They just, they spark something in you.
01:38:43.000 Yeah.
01:38:44.000 They're more exciting.
01:38:45.000 Like, I like new cars.
01:38:46.000 I love new cars.
01:38:47.000 They're cool, but they don't have the same feeling.
01:38:49.000 There's something about those old schools that's just like, it's mechanical.
01:38:54.000 Like, you're connected to it, you know?
01:38:56.000 Yeah.
01:38:57.000 I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs, and I have a bunch that's like, how many cars do you have now?
01:39:04.000 I think I have 12.
01:39:07.000 I have a lot of old school Impalas.
01:39:09.000 Really?
01:39:10.000 Like 65s?
01:39:11.000 I have a 59.
01:39:13.000 Oh, whoa.
01:39:14.000 Real old school.
01:39:15.000 Yeah, I have a 62 wagon Impala, 63 convertible Impala, 60 Cadillac GX.
01:39:26.000 Bro, 60 Cadillacs are wild looking.
01:39:29.000 It's so.
01:39:30.000 Do you have a picture of that thing?
01:39:32.000 I think it might be on the interweb somewhere.
01:39:35.000 1960 Cadillacs were crazy.
01:39:38.000 Oh, that's my old 1960 caddy.
01:39:40.000 I used to have that one.
01:39:42.000 Wow, look at that thing.
01:39:43.000 That is wild.
01:39:45.000 Good luck parking that.
01:39:46.000 Yeah, nothing feels like that when you drive those cars.
01:39:48.000 Oh, I'd imagine.
01:39:49.000 It's a boat.
01:39:50.000 That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary.
01:39:52.000 Yeah.
01:39:55.000 Look how sick.
01:39:56.000 That was my 53.
01:39:57.000 That's yours, the far right?
01:39:58.000 These are all my cars in my collection from at some point in my life.
01:40:02.000 Yeah.
01:40:03.000 So you're an old soul, dude.
01:40:05.000 I am.
01:40:06.000 There must be.
01:40:07.000 There's something about you that connects with these things.
01:40:10.000 Yeah.
01:40:11.000 Old cars move.
01:40:12.000 I don't know.
01:40:14.000 I like the smell of them.
01:40:15.000 I like everything.
01:40:18.000 They're just hard to maintain.
01:40:19.000 You got to have a really good mechanic.
01:40:21.000 It's hard.
01:40:21.000 You know what kind of feels old school that I got recently that, but that's new is the Chevy Fox truck.
01:40:28.000 What is that?
01:40:28.000 That thing's a fucking beast.
01:40:31.000 See if you can pull it up.
01:40:32.000 It's the Fox Chevy Silverado.
01:40:36.000 Is this a new car that's come out recently?
01:40:38.000 It's Chevy's answer to the Raptor or the TRX.
01:40:43.000 That's mine right there.
01:40:45.000 So it's usually, they usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black.
01:40:51.000 So it's just, I think it has 600 or 700 horsepower.
01:40:56.000 It has like Baja suspension.
01:40:58.000 You could drive it anywhere.
01:40:59.000 Oh, so it's just like a Raptor.
01:41:00.000 Yeah.
01:41:01.000 Why do I not know about this?
01:41:03.000 That's crazy.
01:41:04.000 The Fox Factory Silverado.
01:41:07.000 That's my daily.
01:41:08.000 Fox Shocks.
01:41:09.000 That's what it is.
01:41:09.000 So, Fox Shocks did a collaboration with them.
01:41:12.000 Yeah, the guts, like you could literally jump this truck wherever the fuck you want, you know?
01:41:17.000 So, that's your daily driver.
01:41:18.000 Yeah.
01:41:18.000 Yeah.
01:41:19.000 I have a Raptor.
01:41:21.000 I love the Raptors, too.
01:41:22.000 I have a Hennessy Raptor R.
01:41:24.000 Oh, those are hard.
01:41:25.000 That's fun.
01:41:25.000 Yeah.
01:41:27.000 That's a beautiful truck.
01:41:29.000 Yeah, thank you.
01:41:31.000 There's something about those kind of trucks, too, that's exciting.
01:41:35.000 Thousand horsepower trucks are ridiculous.
01:41:37.000 It's like, how do they.
01:41:38.000 Look at that thing flying through the air.
01:41:41.000 That's so crazy.
01:41:42.000 Do you ever take it on the dunes?
01:41:45.000 I haven't yet.
01:41:46.000 When I bought it, they came out to the desert and brought a couple, and we just whipped them around the desert.
01:41:51.000 And we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything.
01:41:55.000 And they're like, we'll even let you use one of our trucks so we don't fuck up yours.
01:41:58.000 I was like, oh, that's nice.
01:41:59.000 Appreciate that.
01:42:01.000 Because it is all carbon fiber fenders.
01:42:01.000 Yeah.
01:42:05.000 It's pretty cool.
01:42:06.000 So they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything.
01:42:06.000 Yeah.
01:42:09.000 Yeah.
01:42:10.000 And you can't even buy them in the States.
01:42:11.000 Like, you have to, I mean, in California, you have to, I had to ship it from Vegas.
01:42:17.000 Because of all of the extras, because it's supercharged.
01:42:22.000 So, California won't let you buy it?
01:42:25.000 I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else.
01:42:29.000 That sounds sad.
01:42:31.000 What a goofy fucking stick.
01:42:32.000 But I'm, yeah, super happy with it.
01:42:34.000 It's cool.
01:42:34.000 We are doing another studio, and we're going to do a studio at the Circuit of the Americas racetrack.
01:42:42.000 And so.
01:42:43.000 Like this.
01:42:44.000 Uh huh.
01:42:44.000 Cool.
01:42:45.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:42:46.000 At that place, that racetrack.
01:42:48.000 Sick.
01:42:48.000 So, which is in Austin.
01:42:49.000 And so, what we're going to do is have it set up where you're going to be able to go around the track.
01:42:54.000 We'll, you know, do some laps and then.
01:42:56.000 Pull in and then have a podcast.
01:42:58.000 Cool.
01:42:59.000 I love that.
01:43:00.000 Which would be great because I feel like for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack that you'll come in, you'll be like, ah!
01:43:09.000 Oh, ready to go for sure.
01:43:10.000 It'll be really fun.
01:43:11.000 Because I bet some people rally themselves up to come up in here and get really nervous or, I don't know.
01:43:17.000 Yeah, some people do.
01:43:18.000 It's crazy.
01:43:19.000 Well, you've done it a bunch.
01:43:20.000 You and I have talked and hung out before, so it's easy.
01:43:23.000 But for some people, it's like doing anything that's got a lot of views gets weirded out.
01:43:28.000 It's hard.
01:43:29.000 Yeah.
01:43:30.000 Yeah, I think you were honestly one of the first podcasts I did, besides Rich Roll back in the day.
01:43:38.000 How's Rich doing?
01:43:39.000 Is he okay?
01:43:39.000 He's great.
01:43:40.000 He had some health issues, right?
01:43:43.000 I think he just had back surgery or something.
01:43:46.000 Yeah.
01:43:47.000 But he's so cool.
01:43:49.000 He reached out.
01:43:50.000 I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you again.
01:43:55.000 So I'll definitely visit him.
01:43:57.000 But when I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, Anything you need.
01:44:02.000 Oh, that's cool.
01:44:02.000 Yeah, he was super nice guy.
01:44:04.000 So cool.
01:44:05.000 Yeah, very, very nice guy.
01:44:06.000 But yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems.
01:44:09.000 And I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems and I hear they had surgery.
01:44:14.000 Oh, he looks fucking great.
01:44:15.000 He looks like he's healthy.
01:44:17.000 Yeah, fucking shredded.
01:44:20.000 I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury too.
01:44:25.000 The back thing scares me though when people get surgery because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably going to be better for most people.
01:44:33.000 Yeah, depending upon the situation, of course.
01:44:35.000 I broke my back in four places in my accident.
01:44:39.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:44:39.000 And I didn't know about it because I was laid out in a burn center for six months.
01:44:44.000 And I never got any surgeries.
01:44:46.000 Like, my doctor exactly said what you just said.
01:44:49.000 It's like you healed perfect.
01:44:51.000 Like, it's me doing surgery.
01:44:53.000 I can't guarantee you'd be in a better place than you are now.
01:44:56.000 Yeah.
01:44:56.000 So I have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery.
01:45:03.000 But I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again.
01:45:07.000 And they had to get another back surgery, and then another one, and they have nerve damage, and their arms go numb, and then they have atrophy in their limbs.
01:45:16.000 Surgery is a sketch.
01:45:17.000 Well, it can be, but there are other ways around it when it comes to disc issues.
01:45:22.000 And this is one of the things that I try to highlight to people.
01:45:24.000 There's PRP, there's a place in LA and Santa Monica called Lifecycle.
01:45:33.000 Is that it?
01:45:35.000 But they do something called Regenikine.
01:45:37.000 And Regenikine is a type of, I've gone to them a Bunch of times.
01:45:41.000 How can I not remember the name of it?
01:45:43.000 Isn't it Lifecycle?
01:45:45.000 Lifecycle Santa Monica?
01:45:47.000 What's that?
01:45:48.000 Lifespan.
01:45:48.000 Lifespan.
01:45:49.000 Sorry.
01:45:50.000 Lifespan Santa Monica.
01:45:51.000 Lifespan Medicine.
01:45:52.000 Phenomenal place.
01:45:54.000 Shout out to Moshe, my friend there.
01:45:56.000 But they do PRP, but it's a different kind of P.
01:46:01.000 It's called Regenikine.
01:46:02.000 And what they do is they take your blood, they pull it out of your body, they spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it, and then they re inject it into you the next day.
01:46:13.000 Into the discs, and it's an insanely potent anti inflammatory agent.
01:46:17.000 And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs, where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where I was getting numbness in my fingers.
01:46:27.000 Yeah, all from jujitsu.
01:46:28.000 Damn.
01:46:29.000 And it was really getting me to the point where I was like, I don't think I can train anymore.
01:46:33.000 Like every time I train, I'm in agony.
01:46:35.000 Like it keeps getting worse.
01:46:37.000 And I would go into a chiropractor, and he was full of shit, and they weren't helping me at all.
01:46:42.000 And then this regenikine thing, and like within a week, I started feeling better.
01:46:46.000 Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers.
01:46:50.000 And then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed.
01:46:53.000 I got another MRI.
01:46:54.000 My disc had completely gone back in place.
01:46:57.000 Wow, that's game changing.
01:46:58.000 Yeah.
01:46:59.000 Because it was pulling, it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve, and it was causing pain, like nerve pain in my elbow.
01:47:06.000 And it was the ulnar nerve, same nerve that you were talking about the other day.
01:47:09.000 When you start getting like tingly feelings in your fingers and you can't feel them.
01:47:09.000 Scary, right?
01:47:13.000 Yeah.
01:47:14.000 It was also one of these things where I was like, okay, I think I might be done with jujitsu.
01:47:19.000 Like, this is a real problem.
01:47:20.000 But I got back into it because of this.
01:47:22.000 So Regenikine fixed that.
01:47:25.000 Then I've also had stem cells now.
01:47:27.000 Like stem cells, especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything and that they're using state of the art stem cell technology.
01:47:37.000 Like there's a lot of places you have to go out of the country, like CPI down in Mexico.
01:47:41.000 That's what I was going to ask you.
01:47:42.000 Is there places in the States now?
01:47:43.000 Aaron Powell, Jr.
01:47:44.000 Ways to Well.
01:47:44.000 Ways to Well right here in Austin is the best place I've ever been to.
01:47:47.000 I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with Ways to Well.
01:47:52.000 And I brought a bunch of people in that have had phenomenal results.
01:47:55.000 Like we just brought John Jones in recently.
01:47:56.000 Hip problems.
01:47:57.000 His hip feels much better, he said.
01:47:59.000 We brought a bunch of MMA fighters in.
01:48:02.000 Algemene Sterling, who was just here a couple days ago, he was there at Waste to Well on Monday.
01:48:06.000 And so, Waste to Well, as my friend Brigham, who runs it, is it's literally like state of the art.
01:48:14.000 Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it.
01:48:17.000 And they've got hyperbaric chambers.
01:48:19.000 They've got red light therapy.
01:48:20.000 They've got every single method of treating injuries and recovery.
01:48:26.000 They're always on top of everything.
01:48:28.000 They have a full gym down there.
01:48:30.000 It's really sick.
01:48:31.000 It's an awesome place.
01:48:32.000 But for you, being, you know, either when you're out here, if you ever want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to Ways to Well.
01:48:41.000 You could also go to Tijuana.
01:48:42.000 Like Tijuana, where the CPI is, that's the place that has the.
01:48:46.000 They have a partnership with the UFC, the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana.
01:48:51.000 Amazing place.
01:48:53.000 Wow.
01:48:53.000 I know the guys who run it, and that's another very similar, state of the art place, but they aren't restricted with the.
01:49:02.000 Type of there's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do down there, it's the wild west, you can kind of do anything.
01:49:10.000 And so, I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there.
01:49:14.000 Yeah, I'm wondering, I have this gene, uh, factor five, where I clot really easy.
01:49:21.000 So, I wonder if I could do it.
01:49:23.000 Let's find out what why would that like, for example, I can't do IVs, really?
01:49:31.000 How come?
01:49:32.000 Because I have really thick blood.
01:49:35.000 I have a blood disorder.
01:49:37.000 Oh, wow.
01:49:38.000 It's not really easy.
01:49:39.000 And that's a genetic variant?
01:49:41.000 Well, I didn't really know about it when my accident happened.
01:49:41.000 Yeah.
01:49:45.000 I had a bunch of clots.
01:49:47.000 And so I put a filter that lives in my body forever.
01:49:51.000 It's like a permanent filter that kind of like funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck.
01:49:56.000 Where's the filter?
01:49:57.000 It's like between my back and my stomach.
01:50:00.000 Wow.
01:50:01.000 Yeah, to stop.
01:50:03.000 Anything coming up like big clots from my leg.
01:50:05.000 Holy shit.
01:50:06.000 From my heart or my head.
01:50:07.000 A filter?
01:50:09.000 What's it made out of?
01:50:11.000 It's plastic, unfortunately.
01:50:14.000 Unfortunately, because I've read a bunch about them.
01:50:17.000 I went on this whole journey because when I found out about it, and they said we had to put this in you or you could have died because you had huge clots, but you can't remove it.
01:50:29.000 And they have a life expectancy of about 20 years.
01:50:33.000 And then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or could cause whatever.
01:50:38.000 But yeah, just have PMA, positive mental attitude.
01:50:42.000 It's not going to happen.
01:50:43.000 How long ago did you get it put in?
01:50:46.000 It was like.
01:50:47.000 My accident, whatever year that was, 2008.
01:50:50.000 So it was almost 20 years ago.
01:50:52.000 So you might have to get it taken out and get a new one.
01:50:53.000 You can't take it out.
01:50:56.000 It's cemented to the wall.
01:50:58.000 Yeah.
01:50:59.000 So, like, you can't do anything with it.
01:51:01.000 Now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable.
01:51:06.000 Is that it?
01:51:07.000 Yeah.
01:51:07.000 Mine's not removable.
01:51:09.000 IBC filter.
01:51:09.000 Yeah, that's exactly it.
01:51:10.000 They can't take it out and put a new one in that's removable?
01:51:14.000 You sure?
01:51:15.000 Positive.
01:51:16.000 That seems crazy.
01:51:17.000 They say the.
01:51:18.000 The surgery to take it out would be more life threatening than leaving it in.
01:51:23.000 Whoa.
01:51:24.000 Yeah.
01:51:26.000 And so, what happens if this thing breaks and fails?
01:51:31.000 So, ironically, it could do the same thing a clock would do it would go up to your heart or your head, kill you.
01:51:39.000 Oh, fuck, man.
01:51:42.000 That's it, huh?
01:51:43.000 IVC filter, device to stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs.
01:51:49.000 Wow.
01:51:49.000 Do you have to take any kind of medication for this?
01:51:53.000 Just blood thinner when I fly.
01:51:56.000 Just because I know I clot.
01:51:58.000 Or if I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I got to take a blood thinner.
01:52:03.000 But then I don't take them every day because it's also a risk to be on blood thinners if you get in a car accident or whatever.
01:52:09.000 Any kind of cut.
01:52:10.000 Yeah.
01:52:11.000 But honestly, I forget about it.
01:52:12.000 I forget it's even in there.
01:52:16.000 But you know how some people will go on, they'll do a marathon and then they'll get an IV.
01:52:21.000 I can't do that.
01:52:22.000 Wow.
01:52:23.000 I just have to really be cautious about getting poked.
01:52:28.000 Yeah, I had an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein and she had poked me tons of times, this nurse, and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms.
01:52:40.000 Holy fuck, dude.
01:52:41.000 So, yeah, I've also learned the lesson of not being really cautious in what happens, you know?
01:52:50.000 Yeah.
01:52:53.000 I can't believe you still spar when you have that.
01:52:56.000 That seems nuts.
01:52:57.000 Because, like, You get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs.
01:53:01.000 Yeah, I could.
01:53:04.000 My doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't over worry about too much or anything.
01:53:09.000 He said, I'd rather you not have a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or light sparring.
01:53:20.000 So, yeah, I mean, knock on wood.
01:53:22.000 So it's called factor five.
01:53:24.000 Factor five, yeah.
01:53:26.000 And it's just a rare genetic condition?
01:53:28.000 Yeah.
01:53:29.000 Wow.
01:53:30.000 Well, I think a lot of people have it.
01:53:31.000 I think there's.
01:53:32.000 I don't know how rare it is, but yeah, the people do.
01:53:36.000 You can have half a gene or a full gene, and I have the full one.
01:53:40.000 So I'm really prone to clotting.
01:53:41.000 Where my kids, like my one daughter, Alabama, she has half of it.
01:53:46.000 So it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.
01:53:49.000 Huh.
01:53:51.000 Whoa.
01:53:51.000 Yeah.
01:53:52.000 And is there anything you can do with supplements or anything like that that aids that?
01:54:00.000 Like a natural blood thinner is beet juice or like beet shots.
01:54:04.000 So I pretty much have one every day.
01:54:07.000 Baby aspirin.
01:54:08.000 Beet juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right?
01:54:13.000 Yeah, I mean, it was.
01:54:15.000 I think Rich Roll was actually the guy who told me about that.
01:54:17.000 It was the pre workout before pre workouts.
01:54:19.000 Yeah.
01:54:19.000 Really?
01:54:21.000 Yeah, people would just slam beet juice or a shot of beet juice.
01:54:25.000 I do it every show.
01:54:27.000 Beet juice?
01:54:29.000 Beet juice like an hour before you go on stage.
01:54:31.000 Drinking about one cup, 250 milliliters of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure.
01:54:40.000 The top number by a few points.
01:54:42.000 The natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body, which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow.
01:54:51.000 Oh, so it's like nature's Viagra.
01:54:55.000 Yeah, it is.
01:54:56.000 Basically, yeah.
01:54:57.000 No.
01:54:58.000 That and ginseng are my go tos.
01:55:00.000 I love ginseng.
01:55:00.000 Ginseng.
01:55:01.000 Oh, ginseng is awesome for energy.
01:55:02.000 It's so good, yeah.
01:55:04.000 It's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work.
01:55:09.000 And we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's Good for you are drugs from the pharmaceutical company.
01:55:18.000 That if you have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine that's petroleum based pharmaceutical drug medicine, and that's what's good for you.
01:55:27.000 All that other herbal stuff is all for retards, it's all for nonsense and hippies and people that don't read books.
01:55:35.000 Well, because they brainwash us, right?
01:55:37.000 Yeah, I don't take any medicine, I don't take Advil, Tylenol, good for you, anything.
01:55:43.000 That stuff, the thing about Tylenol or Advil, I should say, for People that take non steroidal anti inflammatories like ibuprofen.
01:55:51.000 That stuff is terrible for your gut.
01:55:54.000 Isn't Tylenol super bad for you now that they came up with?
01:55:57.000 Tylenol, well, there was a really sad story that I read during the pandemic of this lady who had COVID and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding Tylenol and she died from liver toxicity.
01:56:10.000 Because Tylenol, which has acetaminophen in it, kills people every year.
01:56:17.000 I know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember the number.
01:56:19.000 But it's not a small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like Tylenol every year.
01:56:26.000 It's quite a few.
01:56:27.000 Damn.
01:56:28.000 Yeah.
01:56:28.000 It's like you'd think, oh, Tylenol is not going to kill you.
01:56:31.000 It's just like a pill.
01:56:32.000 And it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take.
01:56:36.000 But if you take a lot, you're fucked.
01:56:38.000 500 deaths per year, largely through overdose related acute liver failure.
01:56:44.000 Some estimates put it at roughly what does that mean?
01:56:46.000 458, about 500.
01:56:48.000 Reasonably shorthand.
01:56:49.000 Yeah.
01:56:50.000 Acetaminophen is fucking poisoning, it can get you.
01:56:54.000 You know, if you take a lot of it.
01:56:56.000 And I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen.
01:57:00.000 I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen deaths, but I do know that my friend Cam Haynes, who runs.
01:57:06.000 I love Cam.
01:57:07.000 Have you ever met him?
01:57:08.000 Yeah, yeah, we run together.
01:57:09.000 Oh, really?
01:57:10.000 No shit.
01:57:10.000 Yeah.
01:57:10.000 He actually did one of my.
01:57:12.000 You know how I was saying I'm like really into tempo training?
01:57:14.000 Where like you'll tempo train, you'll do like a vigorous, like resistance weights, and then you'll sprint.
01:57:20.000 You know, he came and did one with me and he was like, fuck, Trev.
01:57:24.000 He was like, that was.
01:57:25.000 That was a lot, you know?
01:57:28.000 And we went on, we run anytime he's in LA.
01:57:31.000 I love Cam.
01:57:32.000 Like, people get so pissed that we're friends.
01:57:34.000 Why?
01:57:35.000 Because they're like, how do you like someone that hunts?
01:57:38.000 I'm like, because that's my guy.
01:57:39.000 I love him.
01:57:40.000 I don't care if he hunts, I don't care who he votes for, I don't care what he eats.
01:57:44.000 Like, that's my dog.
01:57:45.000 You know, like, I love you guys together.
01:57:47.000 He gave me a bow.
01:57:47.000 I love you.
01:57:48.000 He gave me a bow.
01:57:49.000 It was so cool.
01:57:50.000 We shot it at my studio.
01:57:53.000 It was so, he's so cool.
01:57:55.000 And I think, likewise, probably a bunch of people are like, Why are you homies with a vegan, Cam?
01:58:01.000 Whatever people think, you know, like we, I love Cam.
01:58:05.000 I think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side.
01:58:10.000 The vegan side is very hardcore.
01:58:12.000 Those people get very adamant about like not being around other people that don't share their values or.
01:58:19.000 I don't care what anyone does.
01:58:20.000 That's good for you.
01:58:21.000 You know, I love everyone the same.
01:58:22.000 I don't care what president you vote for.
01:58:24.000 I don't care if you're gay, straight.
01:58:26.000 I don't care about anything.
01:58:27.000 You know, I just judge people if they're a good person.
01:58:30.000 I agree.
01:58:31.000 And that's how we all should be.
01:58:33.000 But yeah, I met Cam.
01:58:35.000 I showed up to, I actually showed up to Tom and Burt's like 5K.
01:58:40.000 It was the first time I ever ran.
01:58:42.000 And I just showed up.
01:58:45.000 My homie Toby invited me and I said, fuck, I'll go run a 5K, whatever.
01:58:48.000 I've never ran a 5K.
01:58:49.000 I always run by myself just because I like running.
01:58:52.000 And I show up there and right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me and I don't know who he is.
01:58:58.000 He's like, what are you going to pace today?
01:59:00.000 What's your number?
01:59:01.000 And I'm like, fuck if I know.
01:59:03.000 And he's like, Uh, what about you?
01:59:05.000 And he gave me some number and he's like, What are you gonna do?
01:59:07.000 I said, I'm gonna try to keep up, and I just ran my ass off like I just like tried to keep up with Cam, and then uh, and then we just stayed friends after that.
01:59:16.000 Oh, that's awesome!
01:59:17.000 And I did pretty, pretty good in that 5k.
01:59:20.000 I actually did way better than I thought I would have, you know.
01:59:24.000 That's awesome, that's awesome.
01:59:26.000 And then we became friends, and he's one of my best friends.
01:59:28.000 Yeah, he's I love him to death.
01:59:30.000 Such a good guy.
01:59:31.000 What I was getting at was that he was taking ibuprofen, he was taking 800 milligrams a day.
01:59:37.000 And I didn't know he was taking that much.
01:59:39.000 And I was talking to him on the phone once, and he was telling me, Yeah, I take 800 milligrams a day.
01:59:43.000 I was like, Whoa, wait a minute.
01:59:45.000 How much?
01:59:46.000 I go, You do that every day?
01:59:48.000 And I go, Why?
01:59:48.000 He goes, I'm in pain.
01:59:49.000 I'm in pain all the time, and I want to keep running.
01:59:52.000 And so then I sent him some information that Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, put out about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis, and what it does to your gut biome.
02:00:05.000 So he stopped taking it.
02:00:07.000 He said, Well, fuck, I don't want to ruin my body.
02:00:09.000 Let me just stop taking it.
02:00:11.000 The pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day.
02:00:19.000 And he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome.
02:00:30.000 So he's taking all this.
02:00:31.000 Because his gut was messed up.
02:00:32.000 Exactly.
02:00:33.000 So he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day.
02:00:37.000 It's torching his gut biome.
02:00:39.000 That's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body.
02:00:43.000 And he's in pain all the time.
02:00:45.000 He gets off of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away.
02:00:48.000 Isn't that wild?
02:00:48.000 Damn.
02:00:50.000 Yeah.
02:00:50.000 But you get brainwashed into thinking, I need all these things.
02:00:54.000 Meanwhile, turmeric and curcumin, and there's a bunch of different anti inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance.
02:01:01.000 And they're much better for you and healthy.
02:01:04.000 And you can, you know, get them from food.
02:01:06.000 Yeah, all the natural stuff.
02:01:07.000 And then I feel like contrast therapy is so helpful, too, you know?
02:01:11.000 Yep.
02:01:11.000 Like doing sauna cold plunge, sauna cold plunge.
02:01:14.000 Oh, yeah.
02:01:14.000 Anytime I'm injured, that's.
02:01:16.000 That's what I go to.
02:01:17.000 Yeah.
02:01:18.000 I hit up Cam actually one time and I was like, Cam, I just did a half marathon.
02:01:23.000 I'm about to do another one.
02:01:24.000 He's like, Trav, get yourself an elk.
02:01:24.000 What do you suggest?
02:01:28.000 I was like, Cam, remember who you're talking to, you know?
02:01:32.000 So for you, is the vegan thing just all animals?
02:01:35.000 It's an animal love thing?
02:01:38.000 Nah, I wasn't even.
02:01:41.000 Like, I am kind of under the thought process of if I love one, if I have a dog and I love a dog, I love.
02:01:41.000 It is that.
02:01:49.000 I kind of love all animals, right?
02:01:51.000 Like, I love all animals the same.
02:01:52.000 I'm not like, I'm going to eat that one.
02:01:54.000 I'm going to shoot that one, but I love my dog.
02:01:57.000 It's a little contradicting to me, you know, but I didn't even know any of these things at a young age.
02:02:04.000 I remember food would be put in front of me and there would be ham, whatever, and I would just naturally put the ham in my pocket and eat like the mac and cheese or whatever else, the spinach.
02:02:16.000 Because my dad had this rule.
02:02:18.000 He's like, you eat everything or you don't get up from the fucking table.
02:02:21.000 Straight up.
02:02:21.000 I don't care if you're there for three hours.
02:02:23.000 That's what it was.
02:02:24.000 Because your mom spent time making the food.
02:02:26.000 You got to eat the food or you don't leave the table.
02:02:28.000 So I'd pocket it.
02:02:29.000 And then my mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes.
02:02:33.000 So it started like that.
02:02:34.000 And then next was, oh, ham is actually this.
02:02:39.000 Hot dog is actually this.
02:02:40.000 Hamburger is this.
02:02:41.000 And I'm like, whoa, I just thought a hamburger was a hamburger.
02:02:44.000 I didn't really know.
02:02:45.000 It's just cow meat.
02:02:46.000 Yeah.
02:02:46.000 Yeah.
02:02:47.000 So I just naturally didn't like it.
02:02:49.000 I was already like not liking the taste or the texture, right?
02:02:52.000 So I was like, okay, whatever.
02:02:54.000 And so vegetarian from the time I was a kid all the way up until my accident.
02:02:59.000 And then after my accident, vegan.
02:03:02.000 So it wasn't really about animals.
02:03:04.000 It was just, at that time, it was like, I just wasn't drawn to eat that stuff.
02:03:09.000 It's not what I was into.
02:03:11.000 What about eggs?
02:03:12.000 I loved bean and cheese burritos.
02:03:13.000 I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from Vegas.
02:03:15.000 I love a good bean and cheese burrito.
02:03:16.000 Yeah, from where I grew up, you know?
02:03:17.000 I love a good bean and cheese burrito with hot sauce.
02:03:20.000 Yeah, you can't beat it.
02:03:21.000 So that's kind of like what I was raised on.
02:03:23.000 But there's cheese in bean and cheese burritos.
02:03:25.000 Yeah, so I wasn't vegan until 20 years ago, you know?
02:03:28.000 So I would have dairy.
02:03:29.000 But do you ever eat eggs?
02:03:31.000 Never.
02:03:32.000 You know, if you have your own chickens.
02:03:32.000 No.
02:03:34.000 It's a pretty karma free food.
02:03:37.000 It's like I have chickens, I have 19 chickens, and they're pets.
02:03:40.000 So they wander around the yard, have a good time, like, hey, ladies.
02:03:44.000 Like, there's no cruelty.
02:03:47.000 No one's doing anything bad to them.
02:03:49.000 They go into nest boxes and they lay eggs.
02:03:51.000 And then you just gather the eggs.
02:03:53.000 The eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized.
02:03:56.000 It's just food.
02:03:57.000 Yeah.
02:03:58.000 It's just free food.
02:03:59.000 I mean, it's not free.
02:04:00.000 You pay for chicken food and you take care of them and all that stuff.
02:04:03.000 But I mean, in terms of like, It's karma free.
02:04:06.000 No one's getting hurt.
02:04:07.000 Like, literally, no one is getting hurt.
02:04:09.000 The chickens will lay an egg almost every day.
02:04:12.000 Yeah.
02:04:12.000 And so we have like baskets of eggs in my house.
02:04:14.000 We always have eggs.
02:04:15.000 I think for whatever reason, now it's like anything.
02:04:20.000 And there's this amazing.
02:04:22.000 It's actually, I think they market it as a protein, a vegan protein, but you make egg whites out of it.
02:04:29.000 And it's phenomenal.
02:04:31.000 And it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do.
02:04:31.000 What's it made of?
02:04:35.000 Does it have the same amino acid profile?
02:04:37.000 Maybe see if it comes up.
02:04:37.000 I think so.
02:04:39.000 What is it called?
02:04:42.000 I have it in my phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone.
02:04:45.000 Jimmy would probably find it.
02:04:46.000 So it's like.
02:04:46.000 Yeah.
02:04:47.000 It's like, and it's not just egg or one of the basic ones.
02:04:50.000 It's one that my daughter had sent me, and it's bananas.
02:04:55.000 You make omelets out of it, and it's just incredible.
02:04:58.000 And you get tons of protein.
02:04:59.000 But I think after I ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months, I was like, peace.
02:05:05.000 I was like, I'm going to be vegan.
02:05:07.000 I'm going to be vegan.
02:05:08.000 Watch this.
02:05:09.000 And then I stopped, like, I stopped kind of having anything that came from animals, period, just to see what it would be like.
02:05:16.000 Like, I don't have honey.
02:05:19.000 Even eggs?
02:05:20.000 Yeah, no honey.
02:05:22.000 And I just feel fucking good.
02:05:24.000 Like, I have tons of energy.
02:05:26.000 I can, I have no lack of energy.
02:05:29.000 I, you know, I feel great.
02:05:32.000 I feel like I operate like I have, I don't know, just feel the best I've ever felt like how I am right now.
02:05:39.000 Well, I mean, I think everyone's different.
02:05:41.000 Yeah.
02:05:41.000 And that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there a bunch of different options for people to try and find whatever works for you.
02:05:48.000 Yeah.
02:05:48.000 Even within my family, like my one daughter is vegetarian.
02:05:52.000 My son eats meat.
02:05:53.000 My wife eats meat.
02:05:55.000 My youngest son has meat sometimes.
02:05:58.000 It's like whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with, you know?
02:06:01.000 That's awesome.
02:06:02.000 And that's just what works for me.
02:06:03.000 That's a great attitude.
02:06:04.000 I think you also have it dialed in.
02:06:06.000 Like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in where you know you're getting the right amount of protein.
02:06:11.000 And there's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have a complete amino acid profile.
02:06:18.000 Yeah.
02:06:19.000 Or no hemp is perfect.
02:06:19.000 Those perfect aminos that Gary makes.
02:06:22.000 Gary Brecca?
02:06:23.000 Those are a game changer.
02:06:23.000 Yeah.
02:06:25.000 Yeah.
02:06:26.000 No, that stuff's not.
02:06:29.000 But it was.
02:06:30.000 It was.
02:06:31.000 I won't say it's not hard to dial it in.
02:06:34.000 It is difficult to dial it in.
02:06:36.000 You've got to navigate just like anything else, right?
02:06:39.000 There's so many people that they go vegan, but then they just eat vegan pizza and they don't.
02:06:39.000 Right.
02:06:44.000 Yeah.
02:06:45.000 Crossroads, your restaurant, I still have never been to, but everybody that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal.
02:06:50.000 Like even Dana, who does not like vegan food, he's like, dude, it's fucking incredible.
02:06:56.000 He goes, it's incredible.
02:06:57.000 Yeah.
02:06:58.000 I think when.
02:07:00.000 You probably don't know what to expect, right, when you go to a plant based restaurant.
02:07:03.000 Right.
02:07:04.000 But Tal Ronan, the chef from Crossroads, is just incredible.
02:07:09.000 And the food, it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan.
02:07:13.000 It's not even on the menu that it's plant based.
02:07:15.000 That's awesome.
02:07:16.000 There's a place in the valley that I used to go to all the time.
02:07:18.000 God, I can't remember the name of it.
02:07:20.000 Now it's escaping me.
02:07:21.000 Was it Follow Your Heart?
02:07:22.000 Yes.
02:07:23.000 I go every day.
02:07:24.000 Yes.
02:07:25.000 That's so good.
02:07:26.000 That place is great.
02:07:27.000 That's another completely plant based restaurant.
02:07:27.000 Yeah.
02:07:29.000 We used to go there all the time.
02:07:30.000 Yeah.
02:07:31.000 I lived in LA.
02:07:33.000 Yeah, follow your heart was pretty close.
02:07:34.000 Yeah, they have a they have a little cafe where you can eat in a grocery store.
02:07:39.000 Yep.
02:07:39.000 Yeah supplements and stuff.
02:07:40.000 It's yeah, it's great their nut burger Very good.
02:07:44.000 Yeah, it's like really I would crave it.
02:07:46.000 Yeah, that's cool.
02:07:47.000 I'm like I love I love just everyone being open-minded and you know what I mean?
02:07:52.000 Oh, yeah, I'll try anything.
02:07:54.000 Yeah For me personally what I've tried is I eat more meat than anything I meet mostly meat.
02:08:01.000 Yeah, mostly wild game But I eat a lot of ribeyes and steak, and that just makes me feel the best.
02:08:06.000 You know, I don't love animal cruelty.
02:08:09.000 I don't like it.
02:08:10.000 I don't think it's good in any way, shape, or form.
02:08:13.000 But I also realize that animals eat animals.
02:08:15.000 Life eats life.
02:08:16.000 And this is just, and the thing about hunting is I'm in complete contact with where my food's coming from.
02:08:16.000 Yeah.
02:08:26.000 I know the source of it.
02:08:27.000 I'm there when the animal dies.
02:08:29.000 I'm there.
02:08:30.000 I do it.
02:08:31.000 I participate in the whole thing.
02:08:33.000 I carry it out of the woods.
02:08:35.000 You know, I cut it up.
02:08:37.000 Bring it to a butcher shop and have it, you know, packaged in the steaks.
02:08:41.000 I'm thinking of Cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know, we have deer in Calabasas.
02:08:46.000 He was eyeballing them, Joe.
02:08:48.000 He was eyeballing them.
02:08:48.000 I'm like, don't even fucking think about it.
02:08:52.000 Of course he was.
02:08:53.000 Yeah.
02:08:53.000 He was like, oh, look at that.
02:08:54.000 Look at that.
02:08:55.000 Right behind the shoulder.
02:08:56.000 I'm looking at him like, oh, look at the cool family of deer.
02:08:58.000 He's like, oh, shit.
02:08:59.000 That's like food, you know?
02:09:01.000 Yeah.
02:09:01.000 It's food.
02:09:02.000 So funny.
02:09:03.000 Well, especially him.
02:09:04.000 But yeah, I totally, like I said, I get it, you know?
02:09:08.000 It's cool that you're so open minded about that, that you do.
02:09:12.000 And you're not judgmental.
02:09:14.000 I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should adopt with everything, with political ideologies, religion, whatever it is.
02:09:21.000 Just don't fuck with me.
02:09:22.000 I won't fuck with you.
02:09:24.000 I'd like to hear your opinions on things because I'd like to know where people form their thoughts from.
02:09:29.000 What's your perspective?
02:09:30.000 Yeah.
02:09:32.000 Yeah.
02:09:32.000 Yeah, I hate when anyone from either side of things are so aggressive that you just bum everybody out.
02:09:41.000 They do.
02:09:42.000 I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a healthy place to begin with.
02:09:46.000 I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole, and whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology, whatever it is, they find a thing that they can call you out because you fuck you.
02:10:05.000 You're the fucking reason, man.
02:10:07.000 Fuck you, man.
02:10:08.000 And it's just what's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole.
02:10:14.000 And they're not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person.
02:10:18.000 It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument.
02:10:26.000 But if you're starting that, initiating that because someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing, first of all, you're a shitty communicator.
02:10:36.000 And two, you're probably a shitty person because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving.
02:10:40.000 And you're using this point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being an Israeli.
02:10:47.000 A Muslim or being a Christian or whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous, what you really are is just a shitty version of a person.
02:11:00.000 Whether you realize it or not, you probably don't even think you're justified and that's why you're doing it.
02:11:05.000 And you probably think I'm doing the right thing.
02:11:06.000 And everyone's like, I love it that you have no chill.
02:11:09.000 He's got no chill.
02:11:11.000 He's a cunt.
02:11:12.000 This guy's a cunt and he's a miserable and sufferable person to be around, regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system.
02:11:19.000 And if he had.
02:11:21.000 A perspective that was, I don't know why you think the way you think, but I think differently.
02:11:26.000 Let's have a conversation.
02:11:27.000 You might find common ground.
02:11:29.000 Yeah, totally.
02:11:30.000 You might be able to realize, like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think.
02:11:35.000 I have friends that are Muslims.
02:11:36.000 I have friends that are atheists.
02:11:39.000 I have gay friends.
02:11:40.000 I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me.
02:11:43.000 And that's fine.
02:11:44.000 There's nothing wrong with that.
02:11:45.000 I love them.
02:11:46.000 It's great.
02:11:48.000 Everyone doesn't have to be you, everyone doesn't have to be the same as you, nor do they have to agree with you.
02:11:53.000 Yeah.
02:11:53.000 But there's too many people that.
02:11:55.000 What they're looking for is some reason why they're right and some reason to be an asshole to other people that don't think the same way they think.
02:12:03.000 And they think that they're justified by it.
02:12:05.000 And I think it's a real problem.
02:12:07.000 It's also a real problem with social media because those people, their voices get amplified and people pile in, yeah, you go boy or you go girl.
02:12:15.000 I feel like anyone who can look at I mean, social media, it's corny to begin with, right?
02:12:21.000 But you're going to go on Instagram and then you're going to say something extreme or fucked up to someone.
02:12:25.000 It's like, You're so lame that you actually took the time to think about writing something bad, then wrote it, then press send.
02:12:36.000 You're fucked up.
02:12:37.000 You know what I mean?
02:12:38.000 Straight up.
02:12:39.000 Anyone that's going to say or spew negativity, I'm like, yeah, I just need a place for it.
02:12:45.000 It's just weakness.
02:12:45.000 And I guarantee you, you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life, with whatever you're pursuing.
02:12:52.000 You're not optimized for sure.
02:12:56.000 100%.
02:12:57.000 That's why they choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people.
02:13:06.000 It's usually they're lacking.
02:13:08.000 They're usually at least somewhat mediocre.
02:13:10.000 There's usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing.
02:13:14.000 And they're lashing out at other people, which is fine.
02:13:18.000 But it's also like other people can learn from that too.
02:13:20.000 You're like, God, that guy seems like a cunt.
02:13:21.000 And then don't be a cunt.
02:13:23.000 You realize that and go, Oh, okay.
02:13:25.000 Yeah, I kind of see that myself sometimes.
02:13:27.000 Maybe I should.
02:13:29.000 A little self correction.
02:13:30.000 Yeah, you're like, I don't ever want to be like that.
02:13:32.000 Exactly.
02:13:33.000 It's great.
02:13:33.000 Exactly.
02:13:35.000 Or the opposite.
02:13:36.000 When someone's like, has like a really objective, charitable take on someone, like, hey man, maybe he thinks this way, and, you know, maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly and we can find common ground.
02:13:51.000 Like, you read someone saying something like that and you go, oh, I want to be more like that guy.
02:13:55.000 Like, that guy, like, I like the way that guy thinks.
02:13:58.000 Like, that's inspiring to me.
02:13:59.000 Like, that to me, like, that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with.
02:14:03.000 They're not going to be, they're not going to use it as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean.
02:14:09.000 Because you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that.
02:14:12.000 You're just not.
02:14:13.000 You know, and will you get the peanut gallery to pile in?
02:14:17.000 Great.
02:14:18.000 So you've got Team Cunt.
02:14:20.000 You've got a little cunt farm behind you, and you're all attacking all these other people, and you think somehow or another you're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you.
02:14:30.000 That you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think, or because they only eat plants, or because they worship this God.
02:14:38.000 Yeah.
02:14:38.000 Come on.
02:14:39.000 I feel like David Goggins has it figured out how he, like, how he just listens to all his haters or whatever, and he like runs or exercises, like that's the, that's the like.
02:14:49.000 Use it as a tool, you know yeah, I think you're better off not even listen to the haters.
02:14:52.000 He's insane.
02:14:53.000 Every time I talk to him like he's so insane.
02:14:55.000 Yeah, I mean, like I said yeah, anyone that's going to say anything is so, so lame, right off the jump.
02:15:02.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of lame people in this world unfortunately, because there's a lot of people that don't have a.
02:15:07.000 You know, it's hard to be a person, it's complicated.
02:15:10.000 Yeah, people don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy, And I think you have to, like, I'm disciplined.
02:15:17.000 Like, sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like, you motherfucker.
02:15:21.000 But I'm like, oh no, I can't do what they do.
02:15:24.000 Right.
02:15:25.000 Like, I can't stoop to that.
02:15:27.000 Especially you're Travis Barker.
02:15:29.000 Like, you're a famous guy.
02:15:29.000 Yeah.
02:15:31.000 Like, if you do what they do, it's a different thing.
02:15:33.000 Like, if you go back at them, that is one of the lamest things.
02:15:37.000 When you see celebrities going at fans in the comments, like, what are you?
02:15:44.000 Take your phone away.
02:15:46.000 Who's letting you do that?
02:15:46.000 Take his phone away.
02:15:48.000 We don't want to see you do that.
02:15:49.000 The people who love your music or whatever.
02:15:51.000 No, How many people have ruined other people's opinions of them because of doing something like that or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted or the way they view this or the way they, you know, whatever it is?
02:16:10.000 Luckily, like the hate, the hate, like I get the weirdest hate.
02:16:15.000 It's not even really hate, but it's just something like.
02:16:17.000 They know they're like throwing darts from across the room at me.
02:16:20.000 Is like, oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now, or he married a Kardashian.
02:16:25.000 I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say, fuck you.
02:16:31.000 It's about like the, like, that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck.
02:16:31.000 You know what I mean?
02:16:36.000 You know what I mean?
02:16:37.000 Like, and my wife isn't like, I can't label her like that.
02:16:42.000 She's my wife.
02:16:43.000 She's my soulmate, right?
02:16:44.000 I love her to death.
02:16:46.000 But to think like, Have you seen me change?
02:16:50.000 Have you seen me like dressed?
02:16:52.000 Dog, I dress so different, obviously, than my wife or her family.
02:16:56.000 I've continued to be my own person.
02:17:00.000 I've wore the same dickies pants, the same band shoes.
02:17:00.000 I've looked the same.
02:17:04.000 I've had the same tattoos that stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old.
02:17:09.000 Fuck you.
02:17:10.000 You know what I mean?
02:17:11.000 Straight up fuck you.
02:17:13.000 And that's why, I mean, punk rock is not about music either.
02:17:16.000 It's about like, you don't care what anyone thinks, right?
02:17:19.000 As long as.
02:17:20.000 You're going through this world.
02:17:21.000 You're doing, yeah, you are who you are and you're not hurting anybody.
02:17:24.000 That's punk rock.
02:17:25.000 I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together.
02:17:28.000 Like, look at this two people from totally different worlds that love each other.
02:17:32.000 That's cool.
02:17:33.000 Oh, it's the best.
02:17:34.000 It's just only a hater would think that other way, though, right?
02:17:39.000 But if you started getting all your stuff spacered off and you started wearing designer clothes.
02:17:43.000 Yeah, I started dressing like a lame, and I started.
02:17:46.000 Yeah, of course.
02:17:47.000 Dude, come for me, you know?
02:17:49.000 Please, please.
02:17:51.000 But yeah, that's one that's always funny to me.
02:17:54.000 Well, there's the problem with whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life publicly, there's always going to be hate.
02:18:02.000 And Wayne said it.
02:18:02.000 Oh, yeah.
02:18:03.000 Lil Wayne said it a long time ago.
02:18:05.000 I remember he told me, he's like, Dog, you.
02:18:09.000 You haven't made it until you have haters.
02:18:11.000 You know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you.
02:18:15.000 You ever seen Cat Williams sit on haters?
02:18:18.000 Oh, pull that up.
02:18:19.000 Oh, I bet it's great.
02:18:22.000 He's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters.
02:18:30.000 It's the same kind of thing.
02:18:32.000 Have you found it anywhere?
02:18:33.000 It's not labeled that way.
02:18:36.000 You can't say Cat Williams on haters?
02:18:38.000 No, I did, but I guess it does say haters.
02:18:41.000 Hold on.
02:18:42.000 Yeah, he's got a whole.
02:18:43.000 I think the bitch titles haters.
02:18:45.000 Okay, give me some volume.
02:18:47.000 You gotta get your motherfucking hustle.
02:18:48.000 Understand niggas is gonna hate you regardless.
02:18:51.000 Get that out of your head, that fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you.
02:18:55.000 You gotta be grateful.
02:18:56.000 You need haters.
02:18:57.000 What the fuck is you complaining about?
02:18:58.000 What the fuck do you think a hater's job is?
02:19:01.000 To fucking hate.
02:19:02.000 So let them motherfuckers do their goddamn job.
02:19:05.000 What the fuck is you complaining about?
02:19:07.000 Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how the fuck to get the six.
02:19:12.000 Team before the summer gets here.
02:19:13.000 What the fuck is you mad about?
02:19:19.000 Amen.
02:19:20.000 If you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers.
02:19:21.000 What is you complaining about?
02:19:23.000 If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me.
02:19:28.000 Sit back there and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is, bitch.
02:19:35.000 That's so good.
02:19:36.000 So true.
02:19:37.000 So true.
02:19:38.000 It comes with the territory.
02:19:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:19:40.000 This is the job we chose.
02:19:41.000 This is the life we chose.
02:19:43.000 You're going to get haters.
02:19:44.000 Totally.
02:19:45.000 But it's your.
02:19:47.000 You know, it's your obligation to manage the waters.
02:19:51.000 You don't have to dive in and fucking swing in their own shit and waddle around with them like pigs.
02:19:59.000 Totally.
02:19:59.000 It's not necessary.
02:20:01.000 No, but it's a complicated world.
02:20:03.000 Never would I, you know?
02:20:05.000 No.
02:20:06.000 A lot of people do, unfortunately.
02:20:09.000 But it's also, this is a new thing.
02:20:11.000 Like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online.
02:20:16.000 You know, people choose to be on social media.
02:20:18.000 Like, you have direct access to all kinds of people, and they're going to read your comments, and people know that.
02:20:23.000 If you're a person who reads comments, and so they go and attack you.
02:20:23.000 Yeah.
02:20:26.000 And it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate.
02:20:30.000 And a lot of people, they get like severe anxiety because they do read that shit.
02:20:34.000 And then they're like, hold up their home by themselves, staring at their phone.
02:20:38.000 You're in a fucking giant mansion, living like a baller.
02:20:41.000 You got a Ferrari.
02:20:42.000 Meanwhile, you're in hell.
02:20:43.000 Like I said, yeah, if you're not hurting anybody, and it's like, you know what I mean?
02:20:47.000 Like, life's good.
02:20:47.000 Yeah.
02:20:49.000 Yeah.
02:20:50.000 Yeah.
02:20:51.000 And also, you'll feel better if you're not doing that.
02:20:53.000 Totally.
02:20:54.000 Or they say, like, if you do read it and you find any truth in it, like, it's your chance to fix it, right?
02:21:00.000 It's your chance to whatever, or use it as, like, motivation, you know?
02:21:04.000 Like Goggins does.
02:21:05.000 Even if the shit they're spewing is so false and fairytale, it's like, still, you know what I mean?
02:21:05.000 Yeah.
02:21:14.000 Go lift, or go box, or go play drums, or go do whatever you do, you know?
02:21:19.000 That always feels good.
02:21:19.000 Use it as energy.
02:21:20.000 Because, yeah, none of it.
02:21:22.000 None of it really likes to sit with you, you know?
02:21:25.000 And I understand haters too.
02:21:25.000 It's not supposed to.
02:21:27.000 I've always said this that if I was a 15 year old kid and somebody gave me a Twitter account and I could get a hold of someone like me and talk shit to them, I 100% would.
02:21:36.000 Fuck yeah.
02:21:36.000 Oh, yeah.
02:21:37.000 As a kid?
02:21:39.000 I don't even know what it would be like because we didn't have it.
02:21:41.000 But I also know from where punk rock has always been very finicky, very sensitive, right?
02:21:51.000 If a band gets popular, everyone's like, I fucking hate them.
02:21:54.000 They're on the radio.
02:21:54.000 Fuck that band.
02:21:56.000 They have fans now.
02:21:57.000 They can eat.
02:21:58.000 They can fucking, you know what I mean?
02:22:00.000 Fuck them.
02:22:00.000 Pay rent.
02:22:01.000 You know, it's like that.
02:22:02.000 You know, skateboarding, which I like changed my life and raised me.
02:22:07.000 Skateboarding is also, they're very strict, you know, about who can call themselves a skater or, you know, there's just all these things.
02:22:16.000 There's like, when all these things should just be celebrated, like skateboarding is fucking cool.
02:22:22.000 It's like some of the coolest people in the world, you know, skateboard and, And skateboarding's taught most of the world how to dress properly.
02:22:31.000 And serious, I mean, a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders.
02:22:38.000 Skateboarders set it off, they had the best taste from the jump.
02:22:42.000 How do you think that happened?
02:22:43.000 How did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style, in your opinion?
02:22:50.000 I don't know.
02:22:51.000 It's just one of those things.
02:22:52.000 Even from back in the day.
02:22:53.000 I don't know why that particular activity would have a whole.
02:22:57.000 Style associated with it.
02:22:59.000 I mean, I grew up with like huge pants and like t shirts and just vans, you know, skateboarding and beanies, you know, that's like, I don't know, but everything from the time skate videos were released, they were secretly, maybe they didn't know about it, but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was.
02:23:19.000 And at the time, music was so categorized like you're either a punk rocker, you like country, you like rap, you like that.
02:23:26.000 Skate videos were everything.
02:23:28.000 The illest, best music of every genre.
02:23:32.000 So, a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy and loving The Far Side, you know?
02:23:40.000 So, it was like happily confused.
02:23:42.000 They just knew the best of every world.
02:23:45.000 It was different, you know?
02:23:47.000 It's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity.
02:23:52.000 Well, then you had Lil Wayne, who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career.
02:23:58.000 I feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him.
02:24:05.000 Oh, wow.
02:24:06.000 So, and some people don't even know.
02:24:08.000 I feel like punk rock and skateboarding, I mean, Playboy Cardi wears punk rock clothes.
02:24:14.000 His whole aesthetic is punk rock, you know?
02:24:18.000 Where did he get it from?
02:24:20.000 He got it from punk rock, you know, like it was born there.
02:24:23.000 And I hate gatekeepers, right?
02:24:28.000 I love what he's done with it.
02:24:29.000 And I love that.
02:24:30.000 All these new groups of kids that love Cardi and love Kink Carson are dressing like punkers.
02:24:36.000 They might not even know it.
02:24:37.000 They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper, but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding.
02:24:43.000 Wow.
02:24:44.000 Yeah.
02:24:45.000 I can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that.
02:24:50.000 Yeah, there really isn't.
02:24:51.000 Like BMX people, you know, riders.
02:24:54.000 Yeah, they were wearing pads and stuff.
02:24:56.000 I mean, BMX was really cool.
02:24:57.000 I love BMX, but yeah, and there's not like a strong style that's associated with it.
02:25:03.000 Yeah, and skateboarding and punk rock were like this.
02:25:05.000 Well, it's rebellion, right?
02:25:05.000 Right.
02:25:07.000 It's being an outcast.
02:25:07.000 Yeah.
02:25:08.000 It's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like you understand it.
02:25:14.000 But it could have been, right?
02:25:15.000 Like, skateboarding could have been, well, it couldn't have been.
02:25:18.000 I can't even say this.
02:25:20.000 But, like, it's a skateboard.
02:25:22.000 It could have been athletic.
02:25:23.000 It could have been sporty.
02:25:24.000 Yeah.
02:25:25.000 It was from the get go.
02:25:26.000 It was raw and it was gritty.
02:25:28.000 And it was.
02:25:29.000 It's also one of the hardest things as far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take.
02:25:35.000 You gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard.
02:25:37.000 Yeah, a lot of concussions.
02:25:39.000 Yeah.
02:25:39.000 A lot of guys when they're doing tricks fall on their fucking head.
02:25:43.000 The board hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms, breaking legs.
02:25:47.000 It's.
02:25:47.000 Yeah.
02:25:48.000 It's a gnarly sport.
02:25:50.000 Especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings and.
02:25:55.000 Yeah, street skating.
02:25:56.000 It's huge.
02:25:56.000 It's like.
02:25:56.000 It's just.
02:25:57.000 Whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street, you know, pretty cool.
02:26:02.000 It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it, yeah, yeah, and it that it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics, yeah.
02:26:16.000 And both the genres are very protective, you know, yeah, weird.
02:26:22.000 It's cool, it is cool, but maybe it should be protected, maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know.
02:26:29.000 Well, for them, for the people that are protecting it, it means something to them.
02:26:33.000 It's probably their haven from the standard society, the pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want.
02:26:42.000 And so, this thing is like a church to them.
02:26:46.000 It's like religious.
02:26:47.000 I mean, when I was 13, I felt like an outcast.
02:26:51.000 And it was skaters against jocks where I grew up.
02:26:53.000 It was like jocks, and you played football, or you were a skateboarder, which Basically, you listen to punk rock music, you listen to faction, you listen to DRI, you listen to whatever, and we looked really different.
02:27:06.000 So we were outcasts.
02:27:08.000 Yeah.
02:27:09.000 Yeah.
02:27:11.000 All right.
02:27:13.000 Should we wrap this up?
02:27:14.000 It was amazing.
02:27:14.000 Yeah.
02:27:15.000 Brother, always good to see you, man.
02:27:16.000 Always good to see you.
02:27:16.000 So good to see you.
02:27:18.000 This documentary, when can people watch it?
02:27:20.000 It's out on Hulu right now.
02:27:25.000 Right here.
02:27:26.000 And we're looking at the.
02:27:27.000 This is the crash.
02:27:29.000 And when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks.
02:27:32.000 I've got two on the ground with birds over here.
02:27:38.000 Get a end in this, man.
02:27:46.000 The last thing my mom said to me is just play drums.
02:27:50.000 The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body.
02:27:54.000 A lot of people came just to watch him.
02:27:56.000 He just had this oh, you're going to get picked up by a band and you will be a star attraction.
02:28:01.000 I told him, you better get yourself a job, boy.
02:28:03.000 And he said, no, Dad.
02:28:04.000 I'm going to go play in a punk rock band, and I won't have a plan B.
02:28:07.000 It's f***ing rough.
02:28:11.000 Mark and Tom come up to me and said, our drummer just left.
02:28:15.000 Would you consider playing?
02:28:16.000 The show starts in an hour.
02:28:21.000 It felt effortless.
02:28:22.000 Things were just exploding.
02:28:23.000 That was quite a wild ride.
02:28:26.000 I was touring with Blink nonstop.
02:28:28.000 I was taking so many pills that I had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure I was breathing.
02:28:35.000 It was all a blur.
02:28:38.000 And then came the crash.
02:28:43.000 Just fire and chaos everywhere.
02:28:46.000 65% of my body was burnt.
02:28:49.000 27 surgeries.
02:28:51.000 Falling from the sky like Icarus probably does some to your head.
02:28:56.000 I walk in the room, and I don't cry ever.
02:28:59.000 But we cried, bro.
02:29:01.000 Che and Chris were like brothers to me.
02:29:04.000 And then AM passing away a year later.
02:29:09.000 Why am I here when everyone else isn't?
02:29:11.000 I had to ask myself who I was going to be after this accident.
02:29:14.000 I could never truly understand what he went through.
02:29:22.000 I had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father I could be.
02:29:28.000 It changed the whole family and I feel like brought us closer together.
02:29:33.000 We loved him trying to cook for us, going on bike rides.
02:29:38.000 Knowing how close I got to not being here, my appreciation for life is something I can't even explain.
02:29:45.000 Every hit is him communicating his story to the world.
02:29:52.000 Dude, he has got a crazy story.
02:29:54.000 Wow. That looks awesome.
02:30:02.000 Thank you.
02:30:02.000 Fuck.
02:30:04.000 Nice to meet you.
02:30:04.000 Thanks, brother.
02:30:05.000 Thank you. Bye, brother.