00:00:52.0002021, June 12th, 1 15 a.m., anonymous man in Key West, Florida recorded a 42 second video, allegedly also Key West, so you know it's legit.
00:01:08.00042 second video allegedly captured from inside a UFO.
00:01:12.000Video appears to show the interior of a room containing several distinct entities with a cell tower visible throughout what appears to be a window in the background, according to the investigative report.
00:01:23.000The tower's obstruction lights flash at a rate of 30 times per minute, the same rate required under FAA standards for a cell tower obstruction lighting.
00:01:34.000Experiencer was suffering from severe hip pain at the time.
00:01:41.000And believes the intense physical discomfort, definitely that and not the drugs, helped him resist the sedation used by the entities, allowing him to instinctively record the encounter.
00:01:53.000With no conscious memory of the event, he did not discover the video in his phone gallery until six months later.
00:02:00.000He later underwent hypnotic regression in an attempt to recover his missing memories from that night.
00:02:05.000Below are the key visually enhanced stills and the 42 seconds of footage.
00:04:02.000This is the problem with the whole UFO world, and you do a fantastic job of navigating it.
00:04:08.000I should just tell everybody if they haven't seen you before, American Alchemy, best by far channel on YouTube when it comes to UFO discussions.
00:04:16.000You're the most balanced, the most reasonable, but also open minded, and you're willing to talk to everybody.
00:04:23.000All the whistleblowers, former this, and former that, and staffers, and this guy's got this fucking piece of evidence, and You talk to everybody.
00:04:57.000Because in today's world with AI, where it's actually easier to deduce the signal than ever if you're an ordinary citizen.
00:05:05.000If you want to muddy the waters, you could try to get people away from the signal or you could try to increase the noise.
00:05:12.000And those are two ways to deflect from the truth.
00:05:14.000And I think the flood the zone, increase the noise is what the kind of counterintel community has decided is going to be the strategy.
00:05:22.000Well, it's interesting because instinctively, if you've been around the block and you clearly have more than anybody, you've seen enough of these things, something comes up and you're like, okay, I'm being fucked with.
00:06:09.000Data points probably than anybody, as far as like there's probably a thing that you do where you like lean in and you like lock people in, you like look them in the eye, and like you probably I don't know if you're even like aware of it, but you can, I feel like, see through people somewhat.
00:06:23.000And that's not even somewhat, somewhat, it's not in follow, it's got faults, it's instinctive, and I'm sure it's not perfect, but you're probably like S tier at that.
00:06:38.000This is also the problem with me is that you know, I own a comedy club and I'm addicted to playing pool.
00:06:44.000So sometimes I'll stay up till four o'clock in the morning and then I have to get up at eight, you know, and then I'm only getting four hours of sleep.
00:06:54.000I'm trying to do that way less, you know, but that fucks me up.
00:06:59.000But when I'm well rested, I'm pretty good at it.
00:07:02.000As long as you know what you're looking for, you know, if you've seen enough people bullshit you and you just smell it, it's weird.
00:07:11.000Like you smell patterns, you smell people being disingenuous or you smell narratives.
00:07:17.000They're trying to sell something or kind of, I don't know, artificially round something out when they don't know or not be humble and be like, I don't know.
00:07:28.000There's also a problem, and I'm sure you've faced this before, too, where a lot of these people, they've developed an online identity that's based on being someone who has knowledge about something.
00:08:06.000It becomes this low level sort of like I'm this automaton and I'm going around on the circuit and I'm saying the same thing over and over again.
00:08:42.000You're seeing something being projected from on high, from some higher dimensional space or something into, you know, what you can perceive.
00:08:52.000And it's kind of like if you go back to Descartes, like Descartes' demon, it has 3D total control over your perception.
00:08:59.000And so ultimately you can't actually come out of the experience saying much about.
00:10:08.000And if you speak to most people, like if you had Sean Carroll sitting here, he would say something like, Reality is probabilistic.
00:10:16.000It exists in this quantum superposition, and that's just fundamentally what it is.
00:10:21.000And if you look at the origin of quantum mechanics with the Copenhagen school, Niels Bohr, all these guys in Denmark sitting around debating what reality is, it turned into this sort of, you know, the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics is that measurement collapses the wave function.
00:10:36.000And then you have to ask, what does that mean?
00:10:39.000Like, does it, and that now, We basically have gotten into this thing where it's like the quantum detector, or when waves or particles collide, they collapse into specific states or whatever.
00:10:52.000But it's literally unfalsifiable in either direction.
00:10:57.000You can't say it's not the observer, it's not the human being that's present.
00:11:01.000The superposition could exist in the quantum detector itself.
00:11:05.000And a lot of the godfathers of quantum mechanics themselves flirted with this idea.
00:11:12.000David Bohm, a lot of these guys were like, actually, we think the mind could collapse the wave function.
00:11:18.000And then you have parapsychology institutes at elite universities across America the Rhine Center at Duke, Stanford Research Institute, Princeton Engineering and Anomalous Research Lab, which was started by the Dean of Engineering at Princeton.
00:11:35.000And they all have something called the random event generator experiment, which is basically you tie something that is conventionally thought of as random in quantum mechanics, so something like radioactive isotope decay.
00:11:46.000Or a double slit experiment where you have 50 50 distribution between the two slits.
00:11:52.000Slits, no quantum physicist could ever argue that that's not basically a perfect coin flip, right?
00:11:58.000Over a long enough period of time within a standard deviation, you expect a certain amount of slit one, a certain amount of slit two, left slit, right slit.
00:12:06.000And you bring an observer present and you say, I want more of the right slit or I want more of the left slit.
00:12:13.000And it's usually tied to a graphical interface and you're seeing ones and zeros.
00:12:17.000And in a statistically significant way, consistently, all of the people who've studied these random event generators come out saying that.
00:12:26.000The person is able to affect the supposedly random quantum mechanical event.
00:13:35.000And great theorists like Aldous Huxley, William James, have flirted with the transmission theory of consciousness.
00:13:43.000And so you have a problem in conventional neuroscience, which is called the binding problem, which is, you know, we know all these disparate parts of the brain.
00:13:51.000We know Broca's area is responsible for speech, and Wernicke's area is responsible for reading comprehension, and, you know, the cerebellum or occipital lobe is important for movement or whatever.
00:14:13.000You have a radio, you have the capacitors, the battery, the antenna.
00:14:17.000You could break any one of those things and the radio would turn off.
00:14:22.000But you'd have to know that the frequency that it's tapping into to understand that the live of all these four seasons is playing as beautifully as it is.
00:14:30.000And so, I think similarly, we have a binding problem with our consciousness where you can mess up one of the areas and it'll mess up a little.
00:14:39.000Specific functionality, but we don't understand how it's all sort of happening.
00:14:44.000And right now, the main issue with transmission theory of consciousness vis a vis the brain is that traditional electromagnetism decays at one over R squared.
00:15:04.000But there are people like Hal Putoff out here who you've interviewed who's really deep on UFO science world, but also in just general kind of.
00:15:12.000Heterodox, and I would say kind of science beyond the veil of secrecy.
00:15:18.000Like, you know, the guy's held high clearances for many, many years, and he's working on this thing called extended electrodynamics, which is basically a signal that would attenuate so that it could travel in deep space and it could travel undersea and it would actually move at one over r, not one over r squared.
00:15:38.000And so instead of, you know, in a typical electromagnetic wave, you have a, it's called a transverse Hertzian wave, and you have.
00:15:46.000The electric field, the magnetic field, and wave propagation all moving perpendicular to one another.
00:15:51.000But in this case, in extended electrodynamics, you might have a magnetic field and wave propagation moving parallel to one another.
00:16:01.000Or you might not have a magnetic field present or an electric field present.
00:16:13.000And I've asked him, I've said, because he started the CIA's psychic spy program, I've said, Is your work on extended electrodynamics possibly related to consciousness?
00:16:23.000And he's like, I think it's very related.
00:17:26.000But he said that's one of the reasons why Alexa is really good at it, is because it doesn't get in its own way, which is why when you teach people remote viewing, apparently the real problem is once they've been successful at it, then they're like, oh my God, now I know how to do it.
00:17:39.000And then they can't do it again because you're thinking I'm going to do it instead of just allowing it to happen.
00:18:12.000If you're in a flow state and you're playing basketball and you're hitting threes and you're doing really well, or I'm sure comedy, it's the same thing.
00:18:19.000You're starting to get too big for your britches, ahead of your skis.
00:18:23.000Yeah, and think about what you're doing, and that's a problem.
00:18:30.000Yeah, thinking about what it's so odd, which is one of the reasons why, like, particularly for athletic events and training, you're training for a thing so that your body knows exactly what to do so you don't have to think about what to do when you're doing it.
00:20:12.000And I guess it makes sense in that context.
00:20:15.000That you could technically train a robot like Alexa to do much better because they don't have that sort of prefrontal cortex neuroses, ego.
00:21:04.000And I mean, David Chalmers has a great, you know, he's this sort of consciousness theorist where it's like, Joe, how can you prove that I'm not a pee zombie, that I am not some like AI construct?
00:21:14.000There's ultimately no way to prove that.
00:21:16.000There's this epistemological impasse between you and I.
00:22:06.000It's a strangely common thing for people to say that they're able to call in via consciousness these UFOs.
00:22:13.000And I do think they are sort of weakly entangled with.
00:22:16.000So if reality, per Tom Campbell, is a consensus collapsing function, it's like we sort of have this shared collective reality that we kind of agree on, and these things are sort of, you know, Consensus thought forms, then maybe a UFO is an example of something like that.
00:22:33.000Maybe it's an alternative timeline that we're slowly bringing in to the mainstream timeline or something like that.
00:22:41.000I mean, I think our language is always very poor as far as our ability to.
00:22:45.000Well, our language is very poor in terms of states of consciousness as well, right?
00:22:50.000So, altered states of consciousness, like psychedelically altered states of consciousness.
00:22:55.000Okay, well, what is happening when you're experiencing entities and other beings and things and objects and visuals and like.
00:23:04.000What is a hallucination, and what is you actually tuning into something that exists on a frequency that you don't have access to during the normal state that you are when you go to the grocery store, say hi to your family, normal stuff?
00:23:22.000There's some weirdness to whatever consciousness itself is that exists in weird forms and weird states.
00:23:29.000A lot of people say these experiences are realer than real, too.
00:24:30.000And it could be like you're, again, going back to transmission theory of consciousness, your receiver is just a little off and it's not integrating perfectly.
00:25:25.000Okay, like I always say this if you have a psychedelic experience, you eat 10 grams of mushrooms and you have a conversation with God, and God explains to you what you've done wrong in your life and why you're doing it wrong and what you can do to spread love, and that's what's really important, and you come back profoundly changed from this experience.
00:25:47.000How is that any different than actually meeting God?
00:25:50.000Like, you just be, you know what I'm saying?
00:25:52.000Just because you don't have fucking iPhone footage of it, it does not mean that this isn't the exact same experience as meeting God.
00:26:46.000It's this Harvard neuroscientist who had a near death experience.
00:26:51.000And, He was saying, like, it's like the symbol rate of reality is too slow.
00:26:56.000It's like literally like the language itself can't encapsulate.
00:27:01.000I think William James also had a psychedelic experience and he was trying to describe, he had a notepad and he was writing down what he had experienced while tripping.
00:27:13.000And it was just like total psycho babble.
00:28:21.000He's like captured these things, and you look at it, and anybody that's taken any tryptamines, you look at his stuff and you go, Oh, I've seen that.
00:28:32.000He knows what this is, and he's done a fantastic job of relaying it.
00:28:37.000And if he lived, Thousands of years ago, and we looked at his art, and he'd probably be thought of as like some sort of a prophet who, like, had these very bizarre abilities to communicate with whatever it is the afterlife, the great beyond, the other dimensions, whatever it is.
00:28:55.000He can encapsulate it and bring some of it back so you can get a look at it.
00:28:59.000Yeah, he's actually a counterpoint to what we just said.
00:29:01.000Like, he actually does bring that back, and you look at his art, and you're like, oh my God.
00:29:04.000And it's very rare if you think about it.
00:29:06.000Like, think about how long people have been tripping.
00:29:09.000And how this one guy is sort of universally known as being the absolute best at capturing it.
00:29:20.000You know, I read a great book called Alien Information Theory.
00:29:23.000And he, you know, just as, you know, astronauts go into deep space and aquanauts go into the deep sea, it's, you know, psychonauts are systematically going into the DMT realm with this slow intravenous DMT trip that he's administering.
00:29:41.000And they're mapping what they see in a more systematic way because they say things like, oh, I'll see literally Platonic objects.
00:29:49.000A Platonic object is something that is beyond 3D, it's like a tesseract.
00:29:53.000You literally can't visualize a tesseract.
00:29:55.000You can just see the shadow of a tesseract because it's too high dimensional for us to conceive of.
00:30:03.000And so they'll come back and they're mapping these things out.
00:30:06.000And that's just I'm so excited to see them.
00:30:08.000They're also mapping out very familiar entities.
00:30:10.000Where they have like a specific number of entities that everyone has encountered.
00:30:17.000And it's like, yeah, at what point do we then just start to say, is that some weird interior fabric of space time that we just haven't traversed or don't fully understand?
00:30:32.000It's really interesting because these people, what fascinates me the most in terms of like the UFC, UFC, UFO experience, the UAP experience, Is the people that had the experiences before there was an archetype, you know, before there was this like iconic vision of like what they looked like, like Betty and Barney Hill, for example.
00:30:55.000Those are, that's my favorite UFO abduction story because there was nothing in the zeitgeist that they could draw from where they could say, oh, I know what that is.
00:31:07.000Well, Outer Limits was actually a popular CBS TV show that premiered 11 days before their experience.
00:31:21.000It was the first episode of Outer Limits and the aliens in Outer Limits, the eyes wrap around their heads in a way that's similar to what they described.
00:32:47.000Boy, that looks a lot like the Outer Limits thing.
00:32:51.000The question is if consciousness is rendering something and something from somewhere else, something that you normally can't access, is exchanging information with you in some sort of a strange way and it's doing it while you're in a semi conscious state, right?
00:33:13.000Would it try to represent itself as something that's familiar?
00:33:18.000I mean, maybe it's just like our primitive visual ability, our primitive, all of our senses, which are very crude and primate driven.
00:33:32.000They're basically like your eyes are in the front of your head because you're a predator, and you're basically like a tribal territorial ape that has, you know, really kind of.
00:33:49.000So you're communicating with something that is beyond your comprehension.
00:33:54.000And so it's like, instead of showing myself as a tesseract, instead of showing, you know what I mean?
00:33:59.000Like, instead of showing myself as geometric patterns that are constantly morphing and made out of light, I don't think this monkey's going to be able to handle this.
00:34:07.000These silly humans, I'm going to have to, like, show myself as something that was a television character.
00:34:12.000And that's why when Betty's drawing that, maybe she doesn't even realize.
00:34:17.000That, like, it looks a lot like what she saw on TV.
00:35:21.000And if you have a memory of a very traumatic experience three years ago, and then also you just watched Outer Limits, then things get squirrely.
00:35:29.000Because, like, if you're communicating with something and it's literally telepathically engaging with you and it can read your mind and it's telling you to calm down, it's got you on a spaceship, like, how much of that do you, especially whatever happened to you, it somehow or another rendered your memory out?
00:36:05.000And so at that point, you have to say these beings have total control over your entire reality.
00:36:10.000And so it's hard to say exactly what happened.
00:36:13.000According to the wiki I got, that this happened in November of 61 for 10 days or 10 days after she started having dreams or one of the two, 10 days after the alleged encounter, she began having dreams.
00:36:26.000And then a year later, At church, they ran into a captain of the Air Force, and then some hypnosis discussions started.
00:36:36.000But then, two years later, is when those sessions happened.
00:36:40.000So, there's not a lot of the timeline, at least according to the wiki, is not really kept well here.
00:37:17.000I'm not even afraid that they're not connected to a body, they're just there.
00:37:22.000They're just up close to me, pressing against my eyes.
00:37:30.000When Betty reported a conversation with the leader in English, Barney said that he had heard them speaking in a mumbling language he did not understand.
00:38:36.000Well, because I think they had an interest.
00:38:38.000Project Blue Book was running at the time, and it's clear now, if you do deeper research, that they knew more than they let on.
00:38:46.000Jalen Hynek later kind of apologized and admitted he played a part in the cover up.
00:38:51.000And so they were probably doing real research with abductees while they were kind of downplaying and rationalizing everything to the public.
00:39:01.000It says on November 23rd, 1962, the Hills attended a meeting.
00:39:05.000At the parsonage of their church, where Captain Ben H. Sweat of the United States Air Force was a guest speaker.
00:39:13.000Having had an interest in hypnosis, the Hills approached Sweat privately and related their strange encounter.
00:39:20.000Sweat was particularly interested in the missing time of the Hills' accounts.
00:39:25.000The Hills asked if he would hypnotize them to recover their memories, but Sweat declined and cautioned them against going to an amateur hypnotist such as himself.
00:39:34.000I wonder what the meeting was about that he was talking at.
00:39:38.000That they just went to like A meeting?
00:39:42.000Yeah, but he's like a self proclaimed amateur hypnotist.
00:39:45.000Why would an amateur hypnotist have a meeting at a church about hypnotism?
00:39:49.000And especially like in 1962, I'd imagine a lot of people.
00:39:56.000Running churches were super skeptical about even that concept, and they might even thought it was like blasphemy or sorcery or some something you're not supposed to be working with.
00:40:06.000Yeah, something you're not supposed to be fucking with.
00:40:40.000He had nothing to do with the church at all.
00:40:42.000The craziest thing about this story is Betty told this famous UFO researcher from Sweden, this guy Klaus Vaughn, who actually has the largest UFO archive in the world in Sweden.
00:40:55.000She said that she saw a UFO crash later and she.
00:40:59.000Buried a little piece of it in her house in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
00:41:04.000And so there might be a little piece of a UFO in her old house.
00:41:10.000If you live there, go dig in your backyard and see.
00:41:13.000Well, it's probably not there until you experience it.
00:41:25.000Because the timeline here is weird because he did this in 62, and that's when the UFO stuff.
00:41:32.000So, they started telling me about something that happened to them as they were driving home from Canada the night of 19 to 20 September 1961.
00:41:42.000A light in the sky seemed to follow them and then circled them and being stopped on the road, and how they later realized that they had a three hour gap in their memories.
00:41:56.000As they told their story, Barney's face kept twitching spasmodically on one side.
00:42:24.000They discuss, like, all of a sudden they're back in their car and they're sitting on the side of the road and they're like, okay, what the fuck just happened?
00:42:30.000I was just telling Jamie before we were rolling.
00:42:33.000Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota, there are two missile security officers, two sergeants, a guy named Mario Woods and Michael Johnson.
00:42:45.000And Mario sees this UFO sort of circling the base and he flashes the little perimeter floodlights at this UFO.
00:45:31.000They saw each other once, I think two weeks after the abduction, to like trade notes and draw pictures of what happened to them, like the beings on the ship.
00:45:39.000And, you know, I think, yeah, there you go.
00:46:03.000They have a very similar story, not, you know, perfectly one to one, but they're very honest about, like, you know, the minor, you know, crying.
00:46:51.000Has his memory been tested to make sure that he's not delusional?
00:46:55.000I don't know if his memory's been tested, but when you, I mean, like, I've known him for two and a half years and I interviewed him for the first time, I think, two and a half years ago ish.
00:47:05.000And I speak to him pretty regularly, and his memory is crazy.
00:47:09.000Even in that period, around like little things where it's like this restaurant, remember the waiter here and this and that.
00:47:24.000And she has that very specific kind of memory.
00:47:26.000And it's super unusual where she can recall not just the day, but like she can tell you if you give her a date what day it was and what happened that day and like, you know, what was in the news and what was on television.
00:47:45.000Yeah, highly superior autobiographical memory.
00:47:48.000A rare condition allowing her to vividly recall specific dates, weather, emotions, and personal experiences for nearly every day of her life since childhood.
00:48:26.000There's a lot of people that develop mathematical abilities after head injuries, like people that have never been good at anything and all of a sudden they could do physics.
00:49:07.000And they meet up on this telepathic hill.
00:49:09.000It's like they have abilities that we don't.
00:49:11.000And they're actually, in some ways, more disembodied.
00:49:14.000And so it's like there's something about like we're ported into our bodies, but our senses, like when you gain a sense, you lose your former sense or something.
00:49:26.000If you're in a VR system or whatever, you're not going to understand what's going on outside of it.
00:49:33.000But if you're this nonverbal autistic child who, again, other people might call them maladaptive for the world, unable to navigate the world, they're actually geniuses on this whole other level.
00:49:45.000They can sort of short circuit the way we learn.
00:49:58.000I've often wondered if maybe what we're seeing from nonverbal autistic people and just people on the spectrum in general is instead of it being like the way we look at it is like you said, maladaptive, like that these people have an unfortunate situation that's happened to them.
00:50:18.000But maybe what we're looking at is an emerging type of consciousness.
00:50:22.000And if you think about what is wrong with the human race, Well, you know, a lot of it has to do with ego and what we were talking about earlier these territorial primate instincts,
00:50:40.000the desire to accumulate resources and the desire to, you know, to dominate and to get status and all these different things that human beings are captured by.
00:50:54.000Well, these people aren't captured by those things at all.
00:50:57.000And if we want to get past where we are now, well, what better way?
00:51:02.000Then you introduce some new, whether it's natural selection or some random mutation or whatever it is, or maybe even some sort of environmental adaptation that allows them to become a different kind of person.
00:51:33.000You know, if any of the UFO stuff points to a future modality of like how we learn, maybe this sort of intuition and telepathy sort of gets selected for and our sort of, you know, prefrontal cortex reasoning actually gets selected against.
00:51:48.000Yeah, I don't know either, but it's odd that it's emerging as a part of a, you know, much more so now because of, you know, various debatable factors, whether it's vaccines or environmental exposure to toxins or whatever.
00:52:02.000You have a much higher incidence of this taking place now.
00:52:06.000As our society becomes more and more complex, and as we move closer and closer to this like balancing act between like nuclear war and utopia, like where are we going to land?
00:52:18.000You know, like, well, you know, maybe we're going to have to get past whatever it is that we have clung to about being a person.
00:52:26.000This thing that we think is so important.
00:52:29.000There's a great book by the great Arthur C. Clarke called Childhood's End, and he talks about aliens sort of incepting the world.
00:52:40.000And it's so, it's again interesting how fiction sort of can mirror reality, maybe, where a lot of these kids actually in the telepathy tapes see other beings.
00:52:48.000They see otherworldly beings and it's sort of casual to them.
00:52:51.000They're like, yeah, of course, aliens, you know, like it's not even a thing to them.
00:52:55.000And so they might already just be living sort of in this future kind of expanded epistemology that we're sort of limited.
00:53:02.000If the Campbell thing is right, like our consensus collapsing function is just narrower and theirs might be just wider.
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00:54:20.000So, this mushroom is apparently a food mushroom, and it's not psilocybin, and people eat it.
00:54:26.000But if it's not cooked correctly, if it's not cooked to a certain temperature, apparently the side effect is you start to see little people everywhere.
00:56:05.000I don't know how many mushrooms have white dots all over it like that, but that seems to look like that.
00:56:11.000No, that seems to look a lot like that.
00:56:14.000You know, and then there's the John Marco Allegro, the guy who wrote The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, the guy who was on the Dead Sea Scrolls Commission, who was an ordained minister but also was agnostic.
00:56:26.000And after 14 years of deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls, he's like, I think this is all about fertility rituals and the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.
00:56:37.000And everybody's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:56:40.000But that's what, if you like Brian Morescu, I know you've had on multiple times, The Immortality Key, or Karl Ruck, like they all sort of, you know, come to that conclusion.
00:56:58.000Martin Luther King wrote a book about how there was a continuum between these sort of pagan mystery rituals and the advent of Christianity.
00:57:06.000Even to this day, science doesn't understand what's going on in the brain to cause this.
00:57:11.000Or how to treat it, and this mushroom is the only thing that we currently know of to reliably produce this effect, said University of Utah researcher Colin Domnauer in a new interview with Live Science, adding that the gnome like beings appear after about 12 to 24 hours and may stick around for several days to follow.
00:57:33.000These aren't like some vague hallucinations, these are like three dimensionally rendered, highly detailed figures inhabiting your exterior world, and they're also interacting with.
00:57:45.000Objects in the real world, like crawling up chairs and tables or under doorways.
00:57:51.000Think of having to explain that condition if it hasn't gone away to somebody that you don't know.
00:58:37.000It's native to the pine forests in both southwestern China and the northern Philippines, where it's wild harvested and sold in local markets for typical culinary use.
00:58:47.000Yet, despite decades of anecdotal reports of hallucinations, Usually, as a result of undercooking, the ingredient, the species became known to science only about 10 years ago.
00:59:47.000Whereas the genes responsible for synthesizing psychoactive compounds in typical magic mushrooms are well documented, Don Maurer's team found none in L. Asiatica.
00:59:59.000There weren't even known psychoactive compounds, so it seems like this must be some new.
01:00:04.000Hallucinogenic compound waiting to be discovered because there's nothing that matches anything in our database.
01:00:11.000So, someone's going to isolate that and turn that into a drug.
01:01:43.000Because they want to separate it, and it's like, it's all good.
01:01:46.000You're talking about this being a thing.
01:01:48.000To me, it lends more credibility if you've experienced it.
01:01:52.000Yes, but in his defense, when we first started talking and when I first had him on, the world was a different place in terms of just the acceptance of this stuff.
01:02:02.000This is like, this predates people going to like Costa Rica and having ayahuasca experiences.
01:02:11.000It wasn't like everybody talks about that now.
01:02:13.000This predates any Ibogaine experiences, any even concept of there's a plant that you could take that cures you of any kind of addictions that you have.
01:02:22.000This predates you sitting behind the President of the United States and helping see through this destigmatization and legalization of these treatments.
01:02:32.000It predates people's understanding of why these things are illegal in the first place as well, which I thought was like really important when we did that press conference to say that this is not.
01:02:42.000Illegal because it's harmful and the world's trying to protect you from this.
01:02:47.000This is illegal because of the Nixon administration.
01:03:01.000Possible ancient Chinese reference a 3rd century CE Taoist text described a flesh spirit mushroom which, when eaten raw, lets one see a little person and attain transcendence.
01:03:16.000This is intriguing, but it's not confirmed species identification, so it should not be treated as proof.
01:03:37.000Mushroom madness in the Western Highlands beginning in 1934, involving dramatic behavioral changes and reports consistent with little person visions.
01:05:12.000There's like Heisenberg uncertainty principles where you can't measure the position and momentum at the same time of an electron perfectly accurately.
01:05:42.000And back then, real scientists, credible scientists, like Einstein was going to debate Niels Bohr.
01:05:48.000There's a great book called What is Real by a guy named Adam Becker about all of this, where Einstein was saying the quantum stuff is too spooky.
01:05:56.000They call it spooky action at a distance.
01:05:58.000It's too weird, and we need to reconcile it with.
01:06:02.000Some sort of ontological truth or reality.
01:06:04.000You can't just say, shut up and calculate.
01:06:07.000It's not just this like mathematical formalism.
01:06:09.000And I think now it's turned into just this like heuristic for like doing science.
01:06:14.000Oh, we built transistors and semiconductors based on quantum mechanics or whatever.
01:06:47.000He was almost like a machine elf himself, the way he spoke.
01:06:51.000He would, like, kind of, I don't know, he had this kind of trickstery vibe.
01:06:55.000There's an amazing clip actually with him and John Mack, where John Mack is actually getting, like, kind of very ideologically angry.
01:07:02.000And actually, similar to what you just said about Rick Strassman, he had gone through this crazy kind of review of his credentials at Harvard.
01:07:09.000He was being almost stripped of them, of his position, rather, because of looking into, you know, alien abductions as, you know, this lead.
01:07:18.000At Harvard in the psychiatry department.
01:07:21.000And you just see like McKenna sort of like goading him along and being kind of cheeky.
01:07:25.000And he was just such a funny, interesting character who was so simultaneously trippy, but also precise in his language.
01:09:02.000You know, it's, you have the, they call it the Wood Wide Web, I believe, in Oregon.
01:09:06.000It's like the, you know, largest organism in the world is actually like a micellial network.
01:09:10.000And then where it gets really trippy is like, if you think about a Kardashev four scale civilization, which is Kardashev scales are basically like our ability to harness energy, but you could think of it as like a completely intergalactic civilization that's like just very deep space faring.
01:09:27.000Would it look like a kind of bipedal hominid where you like show up, you know, on another planet and you get this fragile kind of meaty thing that gets shot at?
01:09:37.000You would be this like zip file of consciousness, extremophile, that would spread all throughout other planets and you would basically create a symbiotic relationship with hosts.
01:09:53.000But we also all have microbiomes that accompany the microbiomes.
01:09:57.000And There's the mind gut connection is also this passe thing to talk about.
01:10:01.000Obviously, you have the vagus nerve, you have neurotransmitters getting created.
01:10:04.000So, you know, mushrooms obviously affect our thinking.
01:10:08.000You can watch, you know, bullet ants in the Amazon getting like taken over by cordyceps mushrooms, and literally their whole muscular skeletal system are being, you know, they're being controlled by the mushrooms.
01:10:21.000And then you look at specific jumps in human evolution.
01:10:24.000And the one that people talk about is obviously the stoned ape theory, which is, you know, why did we double in cranial size between two million years ago?
01:10:32.000Homo habilis and Homo sapiens 300,000 years ago.
01:10:36.000Maybe it was because as hunter gatherers, we were following animals.
01:10:41.000Animals take shits and there's psilocybin cubensis or, you know, grow on poop.
01:10:47.000And, you know, and then people would, you know, trip out.
01:10:50.000They'd take these mushrooms and they'd trip out, and then you get like neurogenesis and you get these epigenetic changes and you get this doubling of cranial size.
01:10:56.000But what's the other big break in human evolution 10,000 years ago, which is the advent of civilization and culture?
01:11:04.000And think about, you know, what really is the kind of the line break there?
01:11:25.000And so I think a lot of people assume that the agriculture gets created and then you get specialization, you get urbanization, you get history, you get religion.
01:11:33.000All of these things are downstream of like, we have more time.
01:11:37.000But what if they're downstream of the tripping that occurred?
01:11:40.000And if you talk, if you look at actually, you know, the Immortality Key by Brian Murorescu, He will openly say, I think these mystery rituals go way back before the Greeks.
01:11:50.000And so, you had pre Socratic rituals that Peter Kingsley writes about, Heidegger writes about this.
01:11:56.000Maybe it goes back to that big break around then.
01:12:01.000And then you get into this thing of like, are mushrooms sort of symbiotic, Kardashev four scale aliens that are Trojan horses for their own species that we ingest?
01:12:16.000They get into us and then they sort of subtly control our thoughts, our behavior, our perception.
01:12:22.000And, you know, it goes back to the McKenna.
01:12:23.000McKenna actually had this trip in the Amazonian forest.
01:12:27.000And he says about the mushroom, he says, he's speaking to the mushroom, and the mushroom says, within my memory exists the blueprints for hyper light drive ships.
01:12:37.000So it's like the mushrooms are seeding us with this ability to go interstellar.
01:12:42.000And think about all of the crazy ideas that we've gotten from psychedelics, you know?
01:12:48.000Who are we to say that our evolution is not being co directed or assisted by something else?
01:12:54.000And we're now saying this in the, you know, we're saying this with bacteria and other things like that, that, you know, it's hard to say exactly what scale or hierarchy, you know, biological evolution occurs.
01:13:07.000But, you know, I think, you know, mushrooms are a really great candidate.
01:13:11.000Also, humans mistake human tissue for fungal diseases.
01:13:17.000We're so susceptible to fungal disease.
01:13:20.000Because human and mushroom DNA are actually very similar.
01:13:23.000Human and mushroom and micellular DNA are more phylogenetically similar than humans and plant DNA.
01:13:53.000It's like they'll, you know, and then think about people that take mushrooms.
01:13:56.000They become more like conscientious vis a vis the entire earth.
01:13:59.000So they're very sort of like they're all about ecological balance.
01:14:04.000It's just so stunning how one presidential administration that was trying to stop the anti war movement and the civil rights movement threw water on like one of the most profound compounds that exists on earth.
01:14:33.000Well, I think it was similar to the like Tom O'Neill chaos theory with Manson, where it's like he looks like a hippie, smells like a hippie, was living with Dennis Wilson, this, you know, Beach Boys or whatever, and then he commits murder.
01:14:45.000So, like, and then you have the Joan Didion quote that, like, that's the day the 60s ended, you know, the date of the Tate LaBianca murders.
01:14:53.000So, I think it's maybe somewhat similar here, where it's like you're dosing people with way too high doses and you're like seeding a lot of stuff, you know, Too much.
01:15:07.000There's actually a quote from Abby Hoffman, who was, you know, obviously, you know, a big hippie at the time, where he's like, we were just upright, you know, Berkeley students who were protesting.
01:15:17.000And then here came the flower children from LA and Laurel Canyon and stuff.
01:15:22.000And they were all about their drugs and their murders and their guns.
01:15:25.000And like, they were just sort of really crazy.
01:15:27.000And so I think the theory is that Timothy Leary was sort of pushing this stuff in an overly aggressive way that would then cause this sort of backlash, similar to the Manson thing.
01:15:36.000Well, they also had like weird connections to like.
01:15:54.000I'm feeling very vague on this, but I believe they partied together quite a bit, which is like if you were, I mean, I guess you're both outcasts of society.
01:16:05.000You know, I guess you could kind of chalk it off to that.
01:16:26.000It's one of, I think it's Hunter's breakout book.
01:16:31.000And it was before, like, it was very clear that he was sort of blurring the lines between fiction and reality, like, with literature, like a literary license.
01:16:53.000They didn't want to have any fucking part in this society anymore.
01:16:56.000And they just wanted to ride motorcycles and be free.
01:16:59.000And this is what started sort of the biker movement in America.
01:17:05.000And when you think about the people that were in Vietnam, well, Vietnam was all about drugs to begin with.
01:17:11.000The whole reason why we wanted control.
01:17:14.000Over that area of the world, that's the Golden Triangle.
01:17:17.000That's where they were bringing in all the opium.
01:17:19.000That's where there were fucking billions of dollars of drugs coming through there.
01:17:24.000Same as Afghanistan, very similar in that way.
01:17:27.000Is that we conveniently find like really important conflicts that we have to be involved in that just happen to be the hubs of massive amounts of drug money.
01:17:36.000And so when these people were over there, there were a lot of them doing drugs, a lot of them were hooked on drugs, a lot of them came back and suffered through withdrawals than when they returned to America.
01:17:48.000And so, those are the type of people that you would imagine would be like, well, fuck this life.
01:17:53.000You know, I am just going to do whatever I can and I'll fucking rob the man.
01:18:10.000And so, it kind of makes sense in a way that they would sort of meet the, you know, the flower children and Ken Keezy and the merry pranksters and Timothy Leary.
01:18:21.000Kind of makes sense that they would have interaction with each other.
01:18:24.000I feel like the boomers in that period, like the late 60s, early 70s, had this opportunity.
01:18:33.000Leary's research is rumored to be linked to CIA, which allegedly provide funding.
01:18:39.000CIA was greatly interested in the effects of mind altering drugs in the 1960s, and its drug research was incorporated into the controversial MK Ultra experiments.
01:18:48.000According to Walter Boart, Leary admitted to working for the CIA since 1962 as an important national asset.
01:18:56.000He's quoted by Boart as follows I would say that 80% of my movements, 80% of the decisions I made, were suggested to me by CIA people.
01:19:10.000The game they're playing is better than the FBI, better than the Saigon police, better than Franco's police, better than the Israeli police.
01:19:20.000They're a thousand times better than the KGB.
01:19:22.000So it comes down to who are you going to work for, the Yankees or the Dodgers?
01:20:42.000German pulse jet engines, Soviet MiGs, that sort of thing.
01:20:47.000And there was this rumor of a blue room there that actually there's a crazy video of Barry Goldwater, who was a future presidential candidate, obviously, senator from Arizona.
01:20:58.000And he's talking about Curtis LeMay, who's chief of staff of the Air Force.
01:21:01.000And he's like, I asked Curtis LeMay to show me into the blue room at Wright Patterson because it's this famous, you know, allegedly sort of alien, you know, storage facility.
01:21:12.000And he goes, he, Cussed me out of the room.
01:21:14.000I've never seen him get more angry at me.
01:21:18.000Outside Phoenix, the senator disclaims direct knowledge of UFOs, but he does confirm a disturbing story about an exchange with General Curtis LeMay.
01:21:28.000Reportedly, a spaceship landed and was all hushed up, quieted, and nobody ever heard about much of it.
01:21:41.000I called Curtis LeMay and I said, General, I know we have a room at Bright Patterson where you put all his secret stuff.
01:22:15.000That's also a really interesting aspect of.
01:22:19.000This whole concept of whether or not consciousness is rendering these things.
01:22:24.000If you're dealing with this reality that's like subtly unfolding in front of you, you kind of would have it a little funky, a little weird, a little blurry, a little odd.
01:22:38.000Like, what better way to slow drip introduce it to the general public than to give it to you in these weird, blurry videos?
01:22:50.000Not like some 4K crazy video of a fucking mothership, size of a football field flying over a city, undeniable.
01:22:58.000Nah, let's give you some fucking black and white night vision of a circle going in the ocean, coming out of the ocean, where you're like, what is that?
01:23:08.000Well, that is a transmedium device that has gone into the water without creating a splash, then gets out of the water and it's going 300 knots under the water.
01:23:21.000It's almost like you said, it's meant to fuck with us.
01:23:25.000We are, the end product is our belief system.
01:23:29.000And Jacques Valet writes about, This concept of intermittent reinforcement, which comes from the psychologist B.F. Skinner, which is like if you give a rat cocaine, for example, and you give it regularly, like, you know, on the dot every day or whatever, it'll like, you know, come back and forth and like it'll not care.
01:23:46.000I mean, it's cocaine, so it'll probably want it.
01:23:49.000But like if you give a rat cocaine intermittently, randomly, sporadically, it'll freak out and just get obsessed.
01:23:57.000And maybe cocaine's not the best example, but anything sweet, you know, it will become obsessed with the thing because.
01:24:05.000There's something about the intermittency that makes it special.
01:24:27.000Because there's never going to be this smoking gun.
01:24:30.000It always has a slight stigma attached to it.
01:24:34.000Almost like a design feature of ufology itself is.
01:24:38.000The fact that I've never seen a field where there is this much evidence, but there is very little incontrovertible smoking gun evidence.
01:24:49.000There is this much, there's so much evidence that, like, you know, I had Michael Shermer, you know, famous skeptic on my show, who I know you've had on, you know, many times.
01:24:56.000And I feel like I ran circles around him because he's not engaging with these really important data sets around UFOs showing up around nuclear sites and that sort of thing.
01:25:04.000Like, you can really argue with or you can convince any reasonable person that there is something going on.
01:25:12.000And then It's very hard to figure out exactly what.
01:25:16.000And for whatever reason, there's this sort of mystery box smoking gun that maybe Bob Lazar has seen.
01:25:23.000David Grush, I think, is this really fascinating person because he has, he brought forward 40 people who claim to have firsthand knowledge to the intelligence community inspector general.
01:25:35.000So that makes him pretty special because he has this really bird's eye vantage point around all this stuff.
01:25:45.000You know, somewhat on the spectrum, and so which you know, he talks about, so he has this like really, really kind of crazy attention to detail, so it makes him this really interesting sort of person.
01:25:55.000And you have things like that, and then, like, I don't know if there's a saucer in a hanger at right pat, like, you know, I'd love to see it, it'd be awesome.
01:26:05.000And then you get into this sort of, well, you know, if that's like a payload delivery system, then obviously we can't see it because it's like this national security thing.
01:26:13.000But it's almost like a design feature of the thing itself.
01:26:17.000Like if you were to tell Jacques Boulez in 1975 or, you know, in the 60s when he was Jalen Hynek's assistant, hey, like this is how much progress we've made on UFOs.
01:26:28.000I think from the perspective of disclosure, he might be pumped about the last 10 years.
01:26:33.000But from the perspective of like understanding what the fuck they are, He'd be like, I had the best theory back then.
01:26:49.000Actually, somebody who's really up on it, I think he's responsible for a lot of modern disclosure, but he's blown by a lot of people as Tom DeLong, the Blink182.
01:27:09.000And now, and I don't want to talk too much out of turn, but like I, because I'm friends with him and he has some really interesting theories around consciousness and how like these events sort of occur when things are really unstable.
01:27:26.000So, like, either to discard things that are unstable and that are threatening to sort of the system a la nuclear or to save something that is essential to preserve the system.
01:27:39.000So, it's like almost this like regulatory thing.
01:27:43.000He is now miles ahead of, you know, I think where a lot of, you know, to me, I was always like, okay, why are they bringing Tom DeLong in to have conversations?
01:27:54.000And now, you know, like, he was being sort of briefed by very high level intelligence people, right?
01:28:25.000And I think, so yeah, I think he was surrounded by some very interesting people and in certain cases, not so savory people, to be totally honest.
01:28:50.000And I'm not saying that, you know, Tom was necessarily, I don't know who exactly he was in touch with, but I think it was like that crowd of, you know, people.
01:28:58.000But I think people, what people don't understand, and this is what I piece together from just knowing him, I think he has sort of vigilante gotten in touch with a lot.
01:29:08.000Like a lot of these people like shut the door in his face and he's like, no, I'll fly out there and I'll do anything and like I'll help like communicate this way.
01:29:15.000I know you guys have been trying to communicate this forever to the, To the public, and like maybe I can help or whatever.
01:29:20.000And I think a lot of it just stemmed from his desire to know and his like true passion for this that started from when he was a kid.
01:30:23.000He's a presidential advisor to JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford.
01:30:28.000And he is 89 years old, completely like sharp as a tack, like with it, and just has this elite.
01:30:37.000Kind of macro, kind of, you know, exact picture of the world in his head.
01:30:40.000I think he worked closely with Kissinger and like just really knew his sort of stuff when it came to just prosaic conventional political trends, you know, outside of UFO stuff.
01:30:50.000And he had been tweeting some interesting things about UFOs.
01:30:54.000And then he starts going into this story.
01:32:45.000Emulsion that's sensitive to light, so that basically when light goes through the optical circuitry of the telescope and then it hits the plate, you see stars and planets and all sorts of things.
01:32:58.000You have a record of what's in the sky, right?
01:33:00.000And she saw 105,000 what she calls transients, which are light reflecting mirror like objects, probably in geostationary orbit, which is where I think we see a lot of UFOs.
01:33:14.000And this is before Sputnik, before a man made satellite was ever in space.
01:33:36.000And you have people like Brian Keating and Sabina Hossenfelder, who are like conventional physicists who are talking about this now, who are like, yeah, we don't really have a perfect debunk on this.
01:33:47.000Some people have thrown cosmic rays at it.
01:33:49.000Some people have said, you know, Yeah, solar rays, but neither of those make any sense.
01:33:54.000And then there's a former NASA astronomer named Ivo Busco who showed that some of these transits have, it's called a coma, which is like a little kind of looks like a little comet tail on the transient.
01:34:09.000And that gets created by the optical circuitry of the telescope itself.
01:34:14.000So the number one debunk on Beatrice was that these transients were artifacts of chemical staining and like issues.
01:34:23.000And Ivo Busco is basically saying no, the light is going through the telescope.
01:34:28.000It's going through the telescope, so it has to be an artifact of something outside of the telescope.
01:34:33.000So you're left with one conclusion, which is UFOs.
01:34:36.000And then you get into the fact that NASA has what are called uncorrelated targets all the time.
01:34:42.000Like there's noise in the sky, there are transients that are detected all the time in the sky, and we just sort of rule it out all the time.
01:35:18.000It's also, there's some speculation about some of these things falling from the sky that they took place because of these high altitude nuclear tests.
01:35:28.000So that's what this bluegill triple prime test is.
01:35:40.000I mean, one of his sources is this general who's now missing, William Neil McCaslin, who was in charge of the entire Special Access Program Oversight Committee.
01:35:50.000And what he told Tom is he goes, You want to know about the UFO issue?
01:35:55.000All you're going to find are a bunch of blind men touching different parts of an elephant, which is, I think, the whole fallacy of modern UFO disclosure.
01:36:02.000It's not like there's this line in the sand, oh, here's the truth.
01:36:07.000It's like, Like, oh, we have this program here and this program here, and we're testing this stuff, but we don't really understand what it is, and it's kind of confusing.
01:36:14.000And so, okay, so DeLong writes about the Starfish Prime test, right, where this UFO comes out of the plume.
01:36:20.000I interview this guy, Harold Malmgren, who is well known in DC circles as this elite statesman outside of UFOs, like just kind of renowned, very impressive reputation.
01:36:31.000He discusses being in charge of cost assessments for this specific Starfish Prime test called the Bluegill Triple Prime.
01:36:39.000Test where you put this X ray device within the nose cone of a Thor X 1 missile.
01:36:46.000And it's specifically so that when the nuke detonates, the X ray blast then can take out any surrounding ICBMs.
01:36:55.000So there was no way to guard against Soviet ICBMs.
01:37:31.000He goes, I want access to that, this thing.
01:37:33.000And he gets like, I think, kind of stonewalled a little bit.
01:37:36.000He ends up at the Sandia complex in New Mexico, one of these national labs.
01:37:41.000And Lawrence Preston Geis, who went on to found DARPA and is Jeff Bezos' maternal grandfather, hands him pieces of the UFO.
01:37:51.000And he says, and very sadly, he passed away a few weeks after I interviewed him.
01:37:57.000So there's so much more we wanted to learn and know about this testimony.
01:38:02.000But he says he held the pieces of the UFO in his hand.
01:38:06.000And there's a Freedom of Information Act request around the Starfish Prime series saying, I want all records from.
01:38:13.000Starfish Prime series on UAVs, UFOs, UAPs, every acronym related to UFOs.
01:38:19.000And the National Nuclear Security Administration gets back and they say, you know, the responsive records that you asked for, you know, we referred them to the right subject matter expert, implying that there are responsive records, that there are records from the National Nuclear Security Administration, which guards all nuclear secrets around UFOs.
01:38:44.000At the time, there's also a guy named David Noble Whitecrow, who I think was a different Starfish Prime test, claimed to see a UFO like on his Navy ship.
01:38:55.000There's a guy named Bob Jacobs, who I've interviewed, who is a photo instrumentation specialist, who says that there were rumors of an object having fallen down from the sky.
01:39:06.000In fact, if you look at the Navy deck logs, I just interviewed the Navy's former chief oceanographer, a guy named Tim Gallaudet.
01:39:15.000He is as well versed in Navy deck logs as anybody and as credentialed and qualified to read them as anybody.
01:39:22.000And he says that these look very anomalous and weird and like they retrieved something.
01:39:27.000And I think there was an outage on one of the ships.
01:39:29.000And there was an admiral named Admiral Starbird, who was named, I guess, who was the senior officer present afloat, who flew in a huff at 4 a.m.
01:39:38.000Once this thing was retrieved, he flew at 4 a.m. back stateside.
01:41:22.000I think a lot of counterintel in this space.
01:41:26.000Is not necessarily trying to shut down conversation entirely, but it's throwing mud on it.
01:41:31.000It's keeping it in this liminal space of like, I don't know, it could have happened, but.
01:41:35.000And so they moved him from presidential advisor to Japanese whaling lobbyist because he worked with every prime minister in Japan since Takana in the 70s.
01:42:41.000And I think he, again, it's probably one of those things where in upstate New York, you know, as he describes in Communion, something probably happened.
01:42:52.000He probably is one of these people who, like, you know, if we are nodes of consciousness that attract, you know, either very normal things or weird things based on our aperture and our sort of understanding of reality, his is wide open.
01:43:04.000You know, he is extremely high in the openness category.
01:43:10.000That's where things get kind of sticky with some of these sort of super experiencers because I think they are often very credulous, but that goes hand in hand with having a lot of weird experiences.
01:43:23.000And so I think Whitley's gotten stuff wrong.
01:44:55.000Remember, we had them on, and we were like, Do you know that your book is the same title as a Whitley Schreiber book, but it's completely different?
01:46:04.000It's weird that you would say it's demons, but I think that much like Tucker Carlson has sort of alluded to this as well, I think there's a certain aspect to people that are believers, right?
01:46:17.000Okay, when I say believers, I'm talking about like Christian believers, believers in the Bible, believers in the narrative that comes along with Christianity, you know, and that.
01:46:30.000For them, there's like, if you say, I believe they're demons, like, he's on our side, there's, you know, there's a, there's, you will, you will attract those people.
01:46:39.000They will, that will resonate with certain people.
01:46:42.000And I do think, very unfortunately, that there are politicians that say things, we both know this, that they don't necessarily believe because they think that their base wants to hear it.
01:47:10.000And it ends the conversation because then it's like, okay, but if there are demons, there are angels too.
01:47:15.000And what is a demon and what is an angel?
01:47:18.000Well, also, where's the evidence that these demons are doing anything demonic?
01:47:23.000Well, here's where it gets interesting, which is if you actually talk to a Jacques Valet, who I do think is probably as deep as anybody as far as decades studying this stuff, going to, you know, 100 plus crash sites, talking to probably thousands of Experiencers.
01:47:38.000And he'll often say, you know, some of this stuff does pattern match to demonic behavior, where it is sort of this, you know, getting you to chase your tail.
01:47:51.000You know, in some cases, it's sort of, you know, angelic as well.
01:47:53.000In the case of, you know, Mario and Michael, it's, they say, do not fear, do not fear.
01:47:57.000That's exactly what Daniel and the Bible heard, you know, on the banks of the Tigris.
01:48:01.000Do not fear is, is, is, if, if the Bible, if the angels in the Bible have like a, you know, a catchphrase, it's do not fear.
01:48:08.000And so he actually notes that there are some similarities.
01:48:11.000So I think there are two failure modes, right?
01:48:13.000It's the end of the conversation, like, you know, I'm religious, I don't want to hear it sort of thing.
01:48:18.000And then on the other side, it's like you can't even look at the Bible as data or like any past mythology or lore as possibly overlapping with, you know, sulfur and ammonia seem to be the smell.
01:48:33.000So, you know, that being, you know, at Virginia, you know, where that thing crawling around, that Probably would have been called a demon like a thousand, two thousand years ago.
01:48:42.000There's a reason you look at it, it was like a weird color body with red eyes, and it looked like it had like these tiny little horns.
01:48:50.000By the way, I just interviewed the Brazilian, the former Brazilian defense minister, and I brought up Virginia, and he goes, I believe it happened.
01:49:15.000Watch Moment of Contact if you want to know what we're talking about.
01:49:18.000Basically, you have 15 to 20 people alive today in this small town in Virginia, 130,000 person town, and they knew nothing about Roswell, UFOs.
01:49:31.000And in 1996, in January, James Fox, this amazing researcher, documentarian, has triangulated the flight path of this kind of tic-tac object that came down this ultralight pilot and geography teacher named Carlos de Souza.
01:49:50.000He smells all these sort of weird sulfur ammonia smell.
01:49:54.000He actually holds the material, apparently, and then it's taken from him by, I guess, Issa, this nearby military base.
01:50:02.00015 minutes later, he has this sort of men in black experience where somebody comes up to him at a gas station, seems to know everything about him and his family, and swears him to secrecy.
01:50:13.000Meanwhile, the beings are running around this town, and the beings end up in this hospital, Regionalis Hospital, and this neurosurgeon.
01:50:22.000Who I've met and interviewed, who was the chief neurosurgeon, basically, like probably the most senior guy in Virginia, but I think even senior, you know, in Brazil as far as, you know, neurosurgeons go.
01:50:33.000He says that he treated this being and that, or I guess he was face to face with the being for four minutes and he was checking the work of his colleague who had treated the being, who had done this like minor surgery on the being.
01:50:48.000And apparently, if you go to this hospital and you say, like, hey, you know, Is this the being where the ET was treated?
01:50:55.000They'll be like, Yeah, yeah, this is it.
01:51:29.000Yeah, but if you treated that guy for a head wound, you would know that he's a man with disabilities who was reportedly seen crouching in heavy rain.
01:52:06.000I interviewed the guy who did the autopsy.
01:52:09.000And he was like, this was like this gnarly form of this bacteria that I've never seen in my life.
01:52:14.000And the guy who's president of IPD, which is the company that does the autopsy report, he even said, yeah, I think it was from the nail of the ET accidentally.
01:52:25.000You know, the being didn't mean any harm to this guy.
01:52:28.000There was a puncture wound and it created this horrible viral infection, and he died, or I think it was a bacterial infection, and he died of that.
01:52:48.000But then the problem is I would love to have talked to them in 1996 individually without them knowing that this was going to be a global story and when they can all sync up their memories.
01:53:19.000Those young ladies, they were girls at the time.
01:53:21.000And then when they get interviewed later, when they're grown women and they're talking about the incident, it's very strange.
01:53:28.000I think the strangest one is the cop who goes to the scene of the crash.
01:53:31.000He starts weeping and he starts really.
01:53:33.000I'm like, okay, well, either this cop is the best actor that's never been in a movie ever, or he's having a real response to some sort of crazy memory of an event.
01:53:42.000That was Carlos DeSouza, the geography teacher.
01:53:44.000And he led them around, to your point, for two hours or something before finding that spot.
01:53:51.000And I think if you were acting, you'd be like, yeah, this is the spot.
01:53:54.000You wouldn't be like, wait, there was a white shed there and it's not here anymore and confused.
01:54:00.000And apparently there was a white shed there that was removed or whatever.
01:54:03.000And then finally, when he sees the spot, you just see him palpably break down.
01:54:07.000It's not this, unless, yeah, you're taking some acting class on the side.
01:54:11.000Not only that, you're a fucking genius.
01:57:03.000But that's common for UFO experiencers where it's like, You experience like weird electromagnetic effects where it's like almost like you're getting a sunburn where you get like, you know, UV damage.
01:58:29.000And it was sort of silently moving over the treetops.
01:58:32.000And I was with a friend at the time and she saw the UFO like descend over the treetops, like go into some, you know, we were in a residential area.
01:59:55.000Like kind of like a low bassy thing, but no like not normal not normal propulsion like bassy like it was like a like a yeah that sort of thing.
02:00:06.000Yeah, like the fan that's moving the balloon, but not not at all like a you know a chopper or a right or a plane or anything and Yeah, I don't know as far as it just looked metallic like if it was a blimp or something it would have been like perfectly like I don't know it had had some sophisticated signature management to look like it was like You know, perfectly metallic and shiny.
02:00:29.000But like mylar balloons, they look very metallic.
02:01:45.000And I think there's a long tradition of communing with these sorts of things that goes back to like kind of Merkaba, Kabbalistic practices.
02:01:54.000You know, Neoplatonists would call it theurgy, like, you know, kind of communing with deities.
02:02:00.000And I don't think it's a coincidence that I think there are aspects of, you know, Stephen Greer.
02:02:05.000Say what you will about the guy CE5, there are aspects of that that are maybe similar to some of these sort of protocols that involve sort of communing with these things.
02:02:15.000And traditionally, you're not supposed to do this stuff unless you are like fully of pure intent.
02:03:36.000And apparently it's still in the Ethiopian Bible.
02:03:38.000The Ethiopian Bible has all of the books of Enoch, all the different.
02:03:44.000Tales of the Watchers and the Book of the Watchers and all that stuff, where they came down and mate with the daughters of men and created the Nephilim that's in the Ethiopian Bible.
02:03:59.000And then you get into the Timothy Albarena stories, which I know he was on your podcast, where there might be giants in Afghanistan that the Air Force has encountered in the early 2000s.
02:05:11.000They believe they might be much larger than human beings now.
02:05:15.000They used to think that they were squat.
02:05:18.000Like Neanderthals and thick brows, and but now they realize their heads were much larger than ours and that these could potentially be an eight foot tall people.
02:06:00.000So, okay, they found it in Siberia in 2008.
02:06:04.000It was identified as a previously unknown group of archaic humans in 2010.
02:06:09.000The key fossil, small finger bone, has been excavated from the Denisova cave in Siberia in 2008, but DNA analysis published in 2010 revealed that it belonged to a population distinct from both Neanderthals and modern humans.
02:06:23.000I think they have more now than just the finger bone.
02:06:27.000And I think that is where they're getting at.
02:09:54.000So, if they haven't found this much, then I think based off of the pictures I'm seeing, they probably built it off of this tooth they found and then expanded out to the air because there's a little picture of a tooth right there.
02:10:07.000So, that seems like a jawbone that they found.
02:10:13.000So, if that, if it turns, and again, we're talking about something that's recently discovered, they only knew that this thing existed 16 years ago.
02:10:21.000Which is really a part of the problem with this whole term fossil record.
02:10:26.000We like to think of the fossil record as being a library.
02:12:27.000They retracted it without any explanation, without any justification.
02:12:32.000My, I'd like to call it nuanced take, is that I think, I don't think he's lying.
02:12:41.000I don't think he's a fraud, but I think that he needs to just open source his method.
02:12:47.000Because basically, you have this synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography, which is synthetic aperture radar is a known technique for radar imaging, and it radar images at very fine resolution.
02:12:58.000And then you have this ability to measure micro vibrations that transmit into the satellite signal.
02:13:04.000The thing that is only his, his and only his, is this Beyondy method, which is this software where he is able to deduce these structures.
02:13:14.000You know, underneath the earth based on that.
02:13:16.000So, do I think he's lying about the Grand Sasso Laboratory, which is, you know, this other sort of, I think, particle accelerator national lab out there that he was able to like perfectly measure and 1.2 kilometers into a mountain?
02:13:31.000I would really hope not, and I don't think so.
02:13:33.000And, but then at the same time, I think it's like, dude, you gotta, like, you're, you're talking about like a Nobel Prize or something here.
02:13:40.000Like, just, just let it, like, either, you either have to get really, really rich and keep it closed source, or the preference.
02:13:47.000That I would have, and I think that would be best for humanity.
02:14:18.000So, and, And it got the right dimensions.
02:14:22.000And if it's correct, if he's telling the truth about what it was able to deem from the particle accelerator when it was looking at the particle accelerator, it got the exact dimensions of it.
02:14:41.000That's the one thing that he brought up on the podcast those shafts that exist around there that have been filled up with debris and sand and dirt over time that they need to clean that shit out and get down in there and find out.
02:15:42.000If Donini and Biondi, first of all, what a great fucking Italian duo.
02:15:48.000Like, if these two guys from Italy have cracked two different things, one of them with erosion science and the other one with ground penetrating Doppler tomography, if those guys are correct, you're going to have like an.
02:16:02.000A gigantic group of new people that want to come and check out Egypt.
02:16:42.000We're saying, like, no, it's probably people had a super advanced civilization in that part of the world a long time ago.
02:16:49.000And what you're getting is multiple generations of people after the fact trying to recreate some of these ancient structures.
02:16:58.000And these ancient structures probably predated whatever civilization existed at 2500 BC.
02:17:05.000Yeah, and you have to throw spaghetti at the wall.
02:17:08.000Like, it's like it's your duty to speculate because.
02:17:11.000The conventional narratives don't make any sense at all.
02:17:15.000And you have people grasping this rather than this.
02:17:17.000There's a French guy, Jean Pierre Houdin, who is like, you know, civil engineering chops, and he's talking about like an external ramp, but then an external ramp would, you know, the incline would be too, too high for these, you know, megaton bricks, you know, blocks.
02:17:31.000So then you end up with an internal ramp as well.
02:17:34.000So it's like, we are, that is like the best explanation, right?
02:17:52.000The problem is they don't want these Jimmy Corsettis and Michael Buttons and all of these people that have enormous following on online to have any point.
02:18:24.000And also, that doesn't take away all the factual data, all the stuff that's really weird, that's hard to describe.
02:18:35.000When you're talking about a structure that is perfectly aligned almost to true north, south, east, and west, and has 2,300,000 stones and used to be covered in smooth limestone.
02:18:47.000And somehow or another was the greatest structure that human beings have ever created and is bare minimum 4,500 years old.
02:19:00.000And anybody who says that's not a mind fuck, and when you're talking about some of the stones, like particularly in the King's Chamber, that are hundreds of tons or 100 tons or 80 tons or whatever they are, and it's from hundreds of miles away through the mountains with no roads, no heavy machinery, and They're placed way the fuck up on the ceiling of this place.
02:19:27.000There's also the weird mind fuck of the sarcophagus in the king's chamber, which aligns with the same dimensions where you could fit the Ark of the Covenant in it.
02:20:06.000Like there's Geiger counters can go off.
02:20:09.000But the people that are like, they're really out there, they think that that might have been the positioning for the Ark of the Covenant and that it measures, like if you look at the Bible's description of the dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant, It fits conveniently inside the sarcophagus in the king's chamber.
02:20:29.000What's also crazy is that Graham believes that the Ethiopian Bible and these Ethiopian religious people who have supposedly this group of people that are supposed to watch over the Ark of the Covenant and that they are in possession of it and that these people that watch over it all develop cataracts and they can only do it for a little while and then they wind up dying.
02:20:54.000So they have like short tenures as the watchers of this, whatever the fuck this is.
02:21:00.000Object is that they're calling the Ark of the Covenant.
02:21:02.000Stories of their faces getting mangled if they walk inside.
02:21:12.000You know, another crazy story is I think it's Sir James Bruce was looking for the Ark of the Covenant and he found the Book of Enoch, but he was searching for the Ark of the Covenant.
02:21:23.000But yeah, they think it's an axe of Ethiopia and there are Templar crosses, I believe, on a church there as well.
02:21:32.000And so that's his connection because they, you know, there are obviously legends of the Templars being these sort of knights that guarded, you know, after the destruction of the temple, the Ark of the Covenant.
02:21:42.000And so maybe they actually did make it all the way down to Ethiopia.
02:22:44.000However, he asserted the box inside was empty and described it as an empty middle to late medieval replica rather than the true biblical artifact.
02:22:53.000So he's the only guy that's gained access.
02:24:32.000But they've mapped it all and found things that I think it was found in like 1895, right around the turn of the century.
02:24:41.000So it shows like where Jerusalem was, where all these things are in reference to each other, and all these places that were in the Bible and whatnot.
02:24:57.000Yeah, it's really, I mean, it's old school, you know, I guess, tiles and little pieces of fragments of different things that is artistic, was covered up probably multiple times.
02:25:10.000Well, then there's the weirdness of the Ark of the Covenant, and the dimensions match this object that's on Mount Ararat, which is exactly where supposedly it landed in the Bible.
02:26:18.000Go to the Mount Ararat stuff, because the Mount Ararat stuff is really weird.
02:26:23.000There's even like a whole touristy center that you can go there where they describe it as being the landing spot of Noah's Ark, but apparently.
02:26:32.000What's weird is the analysis of the ground underneath it and that there's organic material that aligns with the dimensions of the boat.
02:26:58.000Like, what is that thing that's up there?
02:27:00.000And so when they analyze it, like you see, it has what appears to be.
02:27:06.000Chambers, and then also what appears to be the remnants of some sort of organic material, which would be wood that was used in the construction of this thing.
02:27:16.000There was something recent about it, though.
02:27:25.000I'd just seen this video where someone's inside and they're claiming this has got to be a claim because I don't know how they got here and where this video came from.
02:27:36.000This is the same guy who made the UFO video.
02:28:16.000So, researchers working in Turkey say fresh scanned data, this is from April, uncovered what appears to be tunnels inside the long debated landform, bolstering their case that the site may be a man made object they believe to be Noah's Ark.
02:28:30.000I do believe this is real, decayed, buried remnants of Noah's Ark, the famous ship, and we're doing our best to convince the skeptics and show the world this site.
02:28:39.000The tricky thing is for carbon dating, you do need organic material.
02:30:12.000Another story would be Plato talking about this flood.
02:30:17.000He's talking about it in the Atlantis context.
02:30:20.000Obviously, it's a dialogue, and it's, I think, the Timaeus and Cretaeus dialogue.
02:30:25.000And This is told at a mythos festival 600 BC, and they say 9,000 years ago this great flood happened, and then you line it up, and that's meltwater pulse 1b, which is probably the flood that got us out of the ice age.
02:30:37.000So to discount myth entirely as non historical, I think is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
02:31:49.000Well, this is the real thought if David Sinclair is correct, and I think he is, if they can figure out a way to.
02:32:01.000Somehow or another, access whatever part of the human genome allows us to age or causes us to age and reverse that or change that.
02:32:09.000How do we not know that if you got a civilization that could build the pyramids, how do we not know that these people were also capable of extending lifespan?
02:32:18.000And if knowledge gets lost and we're now figuring out Horvath clocks, DNA methylation clocks, biological age versus chronological age, I'm sure you talked to Brigham about all sorts of novel, crazy things he's looking into with stem cells and the amazing things they do.
02:32:42.000If there is a cataclysmic disaster and we do have a hyper advanced civilization that's capable of engineering feats that we still can't replicate today, which I think is the case, because there's a lot of people who say we could build the pyramids today, fuck you, okay?
02:33:12.000You think those guys are stuck in Iran have it bad, Genesis.
02:33:16.000Dates their entry to the 17th day of the second month of Noah's 600th year and their exit on the 27th day of the second month of his 601st year.
02:33:39.000Does Nada give a precise construction time?
02:33:42.000The commonly repeated 120 years is a traditional interpretation.
02:33:47.000Of Genesis 6 3, rather than an explicit statement that construction itself lasted 120 years.
02:33:54.000Well, it's all, you know, you're getting into when you're getting into ages like that.
02:33:58.000What's really weird is it's not just the Christian Bible or the Old Testament or that has these long extended lifespans.
02:34:08.000That's where you get really weird because both the ancient Egyptians, when you know, the Zephtedi, and then when you get into the ancient Sumerians, Kings List, like they, when you go the further back.
02:34:20.000These motherfuckers were living thousands and thousands of years, reigning for thousands of years.
02:34:25.000And then after the flood, you start seeing ages align with modern human ages, which is really weird.
02:34:38.000And so the way archaeologists dismiss it, they say, oh, that was just myth.
02:34:43.000But along with this myth, particularly with the Sumerians, you have actual historical kings that had actual historical reigns that are depicted.
02:35:00.000And I think natural selection is a real theory.
02:35:04.000There are people who deny it, and I think it is a locally extremely useful, legit theory.
02:35:10.000But there's a great philosopher of science called Karl Popper, and he had this whole thing of materialist promissory notes, where you have issues in evolution, natural selection, you have punctuated equilibria, this sort of rapid speciation in the fossil record, things that are very hard to explain.
02:37:42.000Russian Soviet biologist Ilya Ivanov proposed using artificial insemination to test whether humans and great apes could produce offspring in the mid 1920s.
02:37:52.000Okay, so it was after World War I. Soviet support.
02:37:57.000He traveled to French Guinea and inseminated several female chimpanzees with human sperm.
02:38:05.000He later sought to reverse the experiment by inseminating women with ape sperm.
02:38:09.000Historical accounts indicate he considered doing so without consent in Guinea, but colonial authorities blocked the plan.
02:38:16.000Back in Russia, he sought female volunteers, but the available adult male ape died before the procedure could occur, so no such insemination proceeded.
02:39:43.000At the bound, like it makes sense that UFOs to me would show up around nuclear sites because those are the Archimedes' lever of destruction.
02:39:51.000Those are the points of most leverage, the hinge points of civilizational collapse.
02:39:56.000It is not a coincidence that Mario and Michael were abducted at Ellsworth Air Force Base and saw this thing hovering above a live hydrogen bomb.
02:40:13.000You look at the actually, there's a great neuroscientist named Don Hoffman, and he says if you're like guarding, if you're a simulator and you're guarding the simulation, you look at the exit paths.
02:40:23.000So I think about two exit paths in our sort of simulation one would be high energy physics.
02:40:28.000So, particle accelerators, high voltage experimentation, and nuclear, like stuff where you're really pushing at the boundaries of space time.
02:40:37.000So, I think that's why these things show up at national labs, nuclear sites, a lot of really hardcore kind of experimentation.
02:42:06.000It was like our limbic, sort of reptilian.
02:42:09.000Because in every man, you have your sort of reptile self, and then you have your like more aspirational self or something.
02:42:15.000And maybe they were sort of like holding that at bay.
02:42:18.000And they were, you said to me, you were like, these beings, these like future human, alien looking beings, were telling you, like, this is a brittle experiment.
02:42:28.000Like, this whole thing you've got set up, this could end tomorrow.
02:42:31.000Like, we're here sort of protecting you.
02:42:33.000There was a very flimsy barrier between the crocodiles.
02:42:47.000It was like, I don't remember specifically, but I remember being very uncomfortable with how little protection there was to stop those things from coming out of the water.
02:43:45.000I think there's something to that old wives, you know, the old wisdom of sleep on it.
02:43:51.000It's almost like you're because it does feel like sometimes like issues that you have come up in sleep, but you're almost like metabolizing them or you're like, you're like working them out by experiencing them, but in like a padded walls sort of way in the dream where like you don't want to work that out in 3D reality.
02:44:09.000And so it's sort of adaptive in that sense or something.
02:45:34.000And it's so interesting that we snap to grid all of these experiences into this sort of alien motif.
02:45:40.000And it's why the Pentagon now uses non human intelligence, which sounds kind of ridiculous because it could be AI or an animal or something.
02:45:50.000I think they changed it because they don't know definitively that it's extraterrestrial.
02:45:54.000And the office that I think in bad faith likes to debunk this stuff, the all domain anomalies resolution office that just likes to pour core, it's the modern blue book basically.
02:46:03.000They often say we have no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation because they hinge it on that conclusion.
02:47:17.000I mean, the three sightings that were popularized, the videos that were popularized in the 2017 New York Times article, which is whether you like that article or not, they got some things wrong, very responsible for a lot of the modern kind of disclosure movement.
02:49:39.000And then I think Stargate, you know, takes place at the pyramid, the pyramid is literally a portal.
02:49:44.000And then if you combine that with the Christopher Dunn stuff or the Beyondy stuff, where either it's a generator of electricity or there's this other guy, amazing guy, Jeffrey Drum, who talks about it as a chemical manufacturing plant.
02:49:56.000You know, like, Something was being done there, and maybe it had to do with some transcendent, you know.
02:52:54.000And the way he, I mean, they get it takes 30 minutes probably before they get to this, and because he's breaking down what language is and how we got to it, and he gives a very crazy explanation of language I had not heard, which it's like writing down sound in the same way that, like, a record is recording sound, you're writing down sounds, and it's like it took a while for everybody to agree upon what all those sounds were, so that you're all reading the same thing.
02:53:22.000And so, Irving Finkel, scholar of ancient languages and longtime curator at the British Museum, renowned for his.
02:53:31.000So, he's saying, like, the way that the other stuff is reliefs, that this was like a stamped piece of clay that would have been, you know, some record of some sort saying something was done and this is like a verification of that.
02:53:53.000And this could have been some guy's last name.
02:53:55.000There's further breakdowns I've seen, like maybe this snake is like the S sound.
02:54:45.000Yeah, these old cocksuckers, they need to get out of the way.
02:54:49.000I mean, I just think there's way too many of these people that have a vested interest in protecting a narrative that they've been teaching, they've been writing books about, they've been saying they're the experts.
02:55:01.000When you literally can't be, there's just not enough data.
02:55:05.000What every period in history, like things get wholly overturned.
02:55:10.000So if you can't point to one thing that's kind of heretical today that you agree with, then you're definitely on the wrong side of history.
02:55:16.000We always say we're at the end of history, scientifically, historically, and then it always, you know, progresses.
02:55:21.000And usually there's a that's when people are most saying we're at the end of history, you see a paradigm shift and everything just completely collapses and changes.
02:55:30.000This is like the structure of scientific revolutions is written by a guy named Thomas Kuhn, who was actually, he was friends with John Mack and he.
02:55:37.000Encouraged him to investigate the alien abduction stuff at Harvard.
02:55:41.000He would say that there's a law of declining marginal returns in any scientific paradigm where you're just rounding out the final margins on a theory and you're so sure of it, like electromagnetism in the late 19th century.
02:55:54.000And then, boom, you get total collapse because Max Planck figures out quanta and you get the quantum revolution.
02:56:01.000Who are you to say so smugly that that's not going to happen now?
02:56:11.000And much like the UFO thing, when it comes to discussions about ancient history and the true history of the human race and what we really don't know, the people that are the most smug and are the most sure of themselves are most certainly the most wrong.
02:56:45.000And the answers that they have are really shitty.
02:56:49.000There's too many really shitty answers.
02:56:51.000This is kind of a weird analogy, but in like stock picking, which is, you know, it's easy to get feedback on stock picking, like whether you're right or you're wrong, confidence can rise exponentially and accuracy rises very linearly and often plateaus.
02:57:06.000And so that's often, I think it's the case in like, you know, in learning anything where like you get more and more and more confident, you're so sure of yourself.
02:57:13.000But your accuracy is only going like mildly up.
02:57:16.000And it goes back to what we were talking about with like remote viewing and staying in flow state.
02:57:44.000He was entirely wrong about electromagnetic waves curving.
02:57:48.000It just bounced off the ionosphere and then it landed across the Atlantic and the signal was received.
02:57:53.000And so he was right because he was wrong.
02:57:56.000And how many cases are like that where did Graham Hancock find the Ark of the Covenant?
02:58:02.000No, he headed in this general westerly direction of knowing that we have kind of amnesia as a civilization and he found something extremely special.
02:58:13.000It helped popularize the Gebeckley Tepe narrative and this whole Younger Dryas period impact theory hypothesis.
02:58:19.000So you have the same thing with James Bruce with the Ark of the Covenant.
02:58:23.000You can shoot for the stars and land on the moon, you know, and that's okay.
02:58:28.000But if you're just like this nitpicker, like annoying, smug, you know, academic who's like arguing for the priestly citadel to be upheld, like what is your contribution to humanity?
02:58:44.000But I think even some of those people, and I'm not saying that all of the attributes I just mentioned apply to Neil deGrasse Tyson, but some of those people are now updating on UFOs.
02:58:56.000And it's wild because, like, you have a documentary, you know, The Age of Disclosure, where all these high ranking intel people are saying UFOs are real repeatedly in front of a chalkboard, saying they are real.
03:00:09.000And if I was something that was an advanced civilization from somewhere else, hopefully a civilization that has gotten past the concept of war and stealing resources and all that and does have some sort of hive mind, some sort of ability to communicate telepathically, I would be absolutely fascinated by this thing that seems to be in this transitionary sort of an adolescent stage of evolution and development.
03:00:36.000It's like not quite a primal animal anymore, but also not evolved past primal animal behavior.
03:01:46.000And that's why, because there are people that get really frustrated, and I understand it because there's so much sclerotic bureaucracy on the Hill, and these whistleblowers need way more protections.
03:01:56.000I think we need targeted immunity for certain people who can say a lot more, who are good faith actors coming out.
03:02:01.000There are probably a lot of people who did really bad shit that we don't want immunity for.
03:02:06.000But ultimately, I have these conversations, and it's so frustrating.
03:02:11.000It's taking so long, but it is moving.
03:02:14.000If you look at 10 years ago, vis a vis today, 2016, before that 2017 article, To today, it's wild.