00:00:20.000The whole argument of, you know, a species living long enough to survive long enough to actually have faster than light or faster light travel is.
00:01:44.000I mean, the more interesting theory is that they're monitoring us to make sure that we can successfully pass this sort of adolescent phase of evolution that we're currently in.
00:03:10.000Well, it's nice that you still enjoy it and appreciate it because I think, even though it's the dream for everyone to become a rock star, for some.
00:03:19.000I mean, for some people, something happens along the way and they just get so accustomed to it and they get, you know, worn out by it.
00:03:30.000And then they don't love it anymore, which is crazy.
00:03:50.000And I just, I've always wanted to do it.
00:03:52.000You know, I mean, since I was 11 years old when I first saw and held my first guitar, that was what I wanted to do.
00:04:01.000And really, it's kind of centered around playing guitar, although that's not what I'm necessarily known for, but that's what I enjoy the most, you know.
00:04:12.000And when I started to write, that kind of changed everything for me, too.
00:04:18.000You know, it gave me a great forward focus rather than just playing, but going somewhere with the writing.
00:04:25.000How old were you when you first started performing in front of people?
00:04:53.000But I was failing in the only arena that.
00:05:00.000Was available to me at the time, which was school, you know, with friends and school and work and all that, school work.
00:05:07.000And I just wasn't doing well and it was really dragging me down.
00:05:09.000And I started, I discovered the guitar, started staying away from school because I couldn't face going to school.
00:05:17.000But, you know, instead of playing video games and getting stoned, which wasn't available to me at that point, I was reading Robert Bloch and August Derleth and great writers because I loved horror.
00:05:34.000And playing the guitar, and that was my education, really.
00:05:38.000After once I learned to read and write, you know, that was what I took out of school.
00:07:02.000I thought, oh, great, we'll make money, you know.
00:07:04.000And of course, we didn't make any money.
00:07:05.000We spent it all at the PX and we weren't making much money anyway.
00:07:11.000But we, based out of Saigon and Da Nang, and we toured from Cameron Bay up to The DMZ.
00:07:17.000We were at the DMZ, the Tet after the Tet where they'd crossed over the Viet Cong and crossed into the cities and everything and like done the big assault, you know, the Tet assault.
00:07:29.000We were there, we're two miles from the DMZ on that next Tet.
00:07:34.000And I remember New Year's Eve and the flare, you know, the parachute flare started going off like this.
00:07:40.000And there's like a line of guys heading towards us.
00:07:54.000Stayed over, and we befriended some Navy guys at Marble Mountain, which is outside Da Nang.
00:08:01.000And we went back there to give them a free show, you know, because they were so appreciative, you know.
00:08:08.000I mean, they loved seeing the girls, but they wanted connection with home, you know, so they'd take you into the tents, and we'd play Hendrix.
00:08:17.000And get stoned, and you know, I mean, even though we're Australian, there still was a connection there.
00:08:24.000And so we met these guys, maybe we really got along well, and we stayed overnight with them.
00:08:29.000And we went out, all got in the bunkers, in the perimeter bunkers, and I stayed in the radio shack.
00:08:35.000And we got attacked, and I'm throwing mortars down the friggin' tube of the radio shack.
00:11:43.000And we were in a, we stay in these, sometimes if we weren't with the staying on an army base, we'd stay in these old villas that were old French villas that were once beautiful and now were rat infested.
00:11:55.000You know, I mean, we'd be sleeping on cots and rats would be gone underneath.
00:15:36.000And these guys coming back from that, it just, that experience must have been so different because you're over there, you're killing people, you don't know why you killed people.
00:15:47.000And then you're in the grocery store, like that scene from, what's that movie?
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00:21:54.000It's hard for me to kind of face that I was responsible for the end of a life, even though it's distant and it's war and I didn't really have anything to do with it and didn't really know what I was doing.
00:22:14.000But as a kid, Like I said, John Wayne, but it was, it's pretty heavy when I think about the reality of it.
00:22:25.000Did you write any songs about that experience?
00:22:30.000No, I wrote about it in my autobiography, but it's not really, not yet, hasn't been sung material.
00:22:41.000Yeah, because it seems like there's probably something there.
00:22:46.000Oh, yeah, there's definitely something there for sure.
00:22:51.000I have, I mean, not to commercialize it, but I have a new record coming out that deals with, which probably could be elements from that.
00:23:03.000It deals with getting older, and, you know, like my first album, Working Class Dog, was when I was 29, 30.
00:23:10.000It was all about getting laid, you know, because that's all a guy thinks of, and that's what you're right about.
00:23:16.000But as you get older, there's other things to think about.
00:23:22.000So there's, you know, getting older, you know, the thinking of death isn't somewhere out there.
00:23:32.000And so I write about stuff that I think about, and that's what I've been thinking about.
00:23:38.000You know, sex is still in there, but not as much as it was when I was 29 or 30.
00:25:13.000I mean, Paulie is now starting to, you know, I love Paul McCartney.
00:25:17.000He's been, he was a guy I looked up to as a kid, you know, and he's starting to get a little, you know, a little weaker, but he's still amazing.
00:25:28.000I mean, to me, he's one of the great rock voices.
00:25:34.000I mean, still sounds the same, not just sounds the same, but when he's on stage, he's moving non stop, non stop, and dancing and moving and singing with emotion.
00:25:46.000And it seems just like I when I saw you perform Jesse's Girl, like he's singing it like he still loves it, like he still appreciates the experience, yeah, and never got jaded by it all.
00:26:17.000And I understand that there is a degree of that that just happens.
00:26:22.000Because it's not normal to get up in front of, you know, a couple of thousand people and have them want to be there and to be with you and to sing.
00:26:36.000I guess that's kind of the element of everyone wanting to be a rock star is because an actor, you're not an actor's done on film or whatever and then played, you know, but the rock star has it on record plus he's got it live.
00:26:50.000That live connection is, I think, what everybody kind of looks at in the end as far as that's what I'd love to do.
00:28:24.000And it's also, it's like such a uniquely positive thing that you can give to people.
00:28:31.000And if you can perform to your fans every night, the amount of positivity you're spreading and the amount they're receiving and you're receiving is just what a unique life.
00:28:45.000Because the average person will never experience what you experience on a normal night.
00:30:47.000I think the way to do it is to eventually transfer from, I want all these people to like me, to I want to put all my energy into whatever it is, the craft, whatever it is, and making it amazing.
00:31:00.000And don't think about anything else like, oh, they're going to love me for this.
00:31:08.000And I think that's what I meant by, you know, art just is.
00:31:12.000You just create art out of, you know, because you have to, because you need to, but it's the ego that makes it want to be liked, you know, which is not, I don't mean that's a good thing.
00:31:25.000There's no, without ego, without wanting that, and most people who start out in it, they start out from a place of being an outcast and feeling like they don't get enough attention.
00:32:00.000All of your energy should be into what you're doing, whether it's making songs or writing jokes and performing them, whatever it is.
00:32:06.000It's like, then it becomes okay, now the new task with all this energy is just let me do the best I can with whatever this thing is that I'm doing.
00:32:36.000I had one when I first came over here in 72 from Australia.
00:32:40.000I had a song called Speak to the Sky that was, it got me the deal over here.
00:32:45.000It was the first hit solo hit I'd had in Australia.
00:32:48.000And it was like, Number 10 got to number 10 over here and was a hit in Canada, but it was kind of a weird country, you know, holy roller kind of song.
00:33:57.000So, should I kind of lean into this, I guess, you know, because I'm getting a lot of press?
00:34:02.000So, I did for a little while and it was going nowhere.
00:34:05.000I wasn't writing the music that, you know, I was writing songs about a guy that committed suicide, writing songs about a woman that was trying to decide if she should leave her husband because he's cheating on her.
00:34:19.000Where doesn't somebody want to be wanted?
00:34:21.000We're giving him all this press, you know, and there's no.
00:34:24.000There's no hits here after speaking to this guy.
00:34:27.000So I eventually left my managers who were kind of pushing me in that direction, which was a drag because I loved one of the guys, Steve Binder, who actually I still talk to, who was the director of the Elvis special, you know, the comeback special.
00:36:50.000Him and Steve got along really well on the Elvis special because the Colonel wanted it to be Elvis in a Christmas sweater singing Christmas songs.
00:36:59.000And Steve walked into the dressing room one time and there's Elvis playing with his buddies, you know, and he goes, I want to put that on film, which became him jamming in the boxing ring.
00:37:12.000And the Colonel's going, Absolutely not, absolutely not.
00:37:14.000We're keeping it, you know, a family thing.
00:37:17.000And so they butted heads like crazy, but Elvis, Was on Steve's side, and for once Elvis took, Yeah, I want to do this.
00:37:26.000You know, he didn't go with what the colonel said.
00:37:29.000So I know he got along really well with Steve.
00:37:31.000So anyway, I'd heard that before I met him and said, Yeah, I love Steve, he's a great guy.
00:37:37.000And I said, Would you sign this to Allison, who was my girlfriend at the time?
00:37:42.000And he signed it, and I had my little tape recorder that recorded all my songs in, and I put the autograph in there.
00:37:48.000And we went through Australian Customs, and they saw my tape recorder and said, Oh, we're going to see what's in this, mate.
00:38:38.000The Beatles were rare in the respect that they had Epstein, Epstein, how are you pronouncing his name?
00:38:46.000Brian Epstein, that was a smart guy and on the cusp of like pop really happening and did good things with them, you know, cleaned them up, told them, you know, bow and.
00:39:01.000The music was the music, but he was one of the really few that really, I don't think he knew what he was doing, but he had a good intent, and so he found ways to make, you know, do the right thing.
00:39:14.000But I've never met anyone or read anything that the Colonel wasn't a friggin' jerk, you know.
00:39:20.000Yeah, I just don't understand how Elvis had no one who was capable of separating him from the Colonel.
00:42:38.000My dad died when he was, well, he died twice, actually.
00:42:41.000He died when he was 51, and they brought him back.
00:42:46.000and he had an ulcer on his major artery in his stomach and he was worried about it and he didn't he thought it was cancer and so he wouldn't didn't want to go to the doctor he didn't want to hear the bad news you know he thought
00:43:07.000what you don't know you know right so and and he eventually pal I was at home actually when he passed out and they took him into the hospital and he's in bed and he's but the ulcer burst and he started Bleeding, blood coming out everywhere.
00:43:23.000Luckily, there was a doctor just down a couple of beds down, but they rushed him into emergency.
00:43:28.000But he did die, and his heart stopped, and they took 15 minutes to get it going again.
00:44:28.000Pre nuvo is a body scan, MRI body scan.
00:44:33.000I mean, you were asking about, you know, just how I stay in shape, but this is all part of it is knowing what is going on inside you, you know, and not ignoring anything.
00:44:43.000Which is not to say, you know, I won't sip off a curb and get hit by a bus one night.
00:44:50.000But you, you know, you do what you can, as you know.
00:45:31.000The only thing I was good at at school was actually running in English.
00:45:35.000And so I started running, and that kind of got me into the whole well, if you're running, then maybe you may as well eat well and you want to get some upper body strength and work out.
00:45:50.000So I just started doing, and I've run all my life until about 15 years ago when my knees suddenly said, nah, we're not going to do that anymore.
00:46:38.000I wasn't a big druggie or alcohol guy back then.
00:46:42.000So that was what I did with my time off stay in shape and watch what I eat.
00:46:49.000My wife's an amazing chef, and we always eat real clean, organic.
00:46:55.000She turned me on to skin routine back when I was kind of too embarrassed to tell my band members that I took care of my skin because they'd call me a freak.
00:47:09.000Thought skin was, you know, I thought, well, guys' skin is different from women's skin.
00:47:13.000You know, we've got whiskers, you don't need all that stuff.
00:48:16.000I'm not into baby foreskins on my face.
00:48:18.000I know they're doing it with different stem cells.
00:48:20.000They're doing it with what they do is they do micro needling.
00:48:24.000And so they kind of like micro needle your whole face and then they use exosomes and they also use something called muse cells, which is the latest and greatest version of it.
00:48:52.000Well, they certainly seem to, like mu cells in particular, which is the newest iteration of stem cell technology, seem to work much better than cells that they used to get from either fat, they used to get it from your fat, or they used to get it from bone marrow.
00:49:10.000Yeah, I've had the bone marrow stem cell done.
00:49:31.000Yeah, and because Kobe used to have to go to Germany for it, right?
00:49:36.000And now they've got bypassed the law somehow, and so I get that pretty regular, not regularly because it lasts a couple of years, but I'm due for it now in my shoulders because, you know, that's lifting weights, you know, no matter what, how heavy you go, you still, you know, as you get older, you're aware it just happens.
00:51:06.000And if you have like a whoop strap or an aura ring or anything like that, it'll show.
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00:52:58.000But there's not robust studies on it like there is with a dry sauna.
00:53:02.000So the Finnish have been using dry saunas forever.
00:53:06.000And they did a study over 20 years with quite a large sample group.
00:53:11.000And they found that the people that use the sauna four times per week for 20 minutes had a 40% decrease in all cause mortality 40% less strokes, cancer, heart attacks, everything.
00:54:38.000But that's also incredible, not just for your body.
00:54:42.000You don't want to do it after workout.
00:54:44.000So, one of the things about after workout is it's not good.
00:54:48.000It's not terrible for you, but it's not good in that it decreases hypertrophy, which is like increasing muscle size, because a lot of that is dependent upon the inflammation that happens during exercise.
00:54:59.000So, when you exercise and you break down your tissue, the strength comes because your body heals after the exercise.
00:55:06.000So, you blunt a little of that recovery by getting in the cold right after exercise.
00:55:11.000So, the way I do it is I get in the cold before I exercise.
00:55:15.000So, the first thing in the morning, I hop in that thing.
00:57:02.000And you make it, you know, I have a gym.
00:57:05.000I don't, I work, I've had a gym at home for a while, but I prefer going to a gym, so I work out, but I have it close by, so I don't have an excuse, you know, to, ah, it's late, you know.
00:58:07.000And I do, you know, creatine before workout and the protein after.
00:58:12.000Creatine is actually good just for mental benefits.
00:58:15.000Creatine increases cognitive performance and it's really good if you're tired.
00:58:20.000One of the studies they've shown is that people that have a sleep deficit, like if you're sleep deprived, one of the very best things for performance, mental performance, is creatine.
00:58:36.000It's good for just overall metabolic health, but taking it just as a regular part of your day, pre or post workout, doesn't matter.
00:58:44.000Just taking it as a regular part of your day will increase your mental performance.
00:58:48.000But, like, if I'm flying and if I have to go somewhere and I'm on the road and I might be tired, I take it every day anyway, but I bring it with me everywhere.
00:58:57.000And, like, routinely, if I'm tired and I know I'm going to be tired, I take creatine.
01:00:04.000Only my dad, every Sunday, and I was like a kid, oh, why not chop its head up, Dad?
01:00:11.000And he'd throw it, and it would like, Flap around and then he'd take them and he'd drop.
01:00:17.000We had this laundry room and he'd throw it in the laundry room and like boil hot water in the laundry room to get the feathers would come out easier.
01:00:25.000And that smell I walked into a group dinner somewhere and they were having chicken and that smell came back to me about when I was about 30 and I have not been able to touch chicken ever since.
01:01:33.000Yeah, that's why you see guys and they turkey hunt.
01:01:35.000They have these crazy ghillie suits where they're completely covered and they sit with their back to a tree where they're completely motionless.
01:01:42.000And they usually have a fake turkey, like a turkey decoy sitting out there and they make noises like.
01:03:47.000There's so many wild animals in Australia.
01:03:49.000I didn't appreciate it when I lived there, but it's pretty freaky.
01:03:52.000They brought, when Captain Cook, who, you know, supposedly discovered Australia, brought back a platypus to England, they thought it was, they saw they stitched it together from three different animals because it had a duck bill, a body like a beaver, no, a body like a, you know, yeah, I guess like a beaver.
01:06:39.000I didn't get selected because I was actually in a lawsuit at the time with this woman who claimed that I hit her with, we called it butt gate.
01:06:48.000I'd hit her with my ass while I, because I go in the audience sometimes, and she said I'd hit her with my butt and she'd fallen and like hurt her brain or something.
01:10:44.000But, I mean, it's got to, something's got to be said for the love of what you do and that energy keeping you alive and the fact that there's still, like I said, the Circuit of the Americas show was over 100,000 people.
01:10:55.000I mean, they're still drawing giant crowds.
01:11:01.000The Circuit of the Americas is the local racetrack.
01:11:04.000So, Circuit of the Americas is where they do Formula One, this huge racetrack, and they also have a giant theater out there, amphitheater, and then they do concerts out there where they have this massive concert venue.
01:11:15.000Like, for huge acts, like Post Malone was there, it was like 100,000 people, Eminem was there.
01:11:19.000It's just a giant performance theater.
01:11:21.000But seeing the Stones there and seeing Keat there, if he gets to do that all the time, like, just the energy from that is probably what's sustaining that guy.
01:11:37.000Has been a big driver for me, and I've seen it in other people.
01:11:41.000Certainly, someone like you know, Mick Jagger, he admits, you know, he still loves that the roar of the crowd.
01:11:48.000Um, and it's and a lot of so many people do.
01:11:54.000I like I have friends that who did a job because the retirement was good, and I get that, but I that they don't love the job, you know, it's just uh something that they do, yeah, you know.
01:12:11.000We're fortunate, you know, that we do something that we love.
01:12:41.000Yeah, I think it's a lot of luck, but it's also working really hard to make that luck so that when, if luck does happen, you're ready for it.
01:12:51.000And being able to capitalize on that luck.
01:14:38.000And I arranged this version of Ellen Rigby that was, to me now it sounds like Black Sabbath, although I'd never heard Black Sabbath back then.
01:14:47.000But it's a lot of, like I did Billy Corgan's thing, and he was focused on this band because we were kind of like psychedelic before.
01:15:35.000They'd been a pop band and they dressed in pink, and I'd been in a band, and my band split up because I got to sing the single, and the bass player was so pissed off they didn't pick him that he broke the band up.
01:15:48.000So I was a free agent, and they said, You want to join us because our guitar player is leaving.
01:15:52.000So I wore the pink thing for a while, and I said, This has got to go.
01:18:06.000We had a, EMI was interested in this over here, but our manager kind of screwed us by saying, no, you're still under contract here, which we weren't in Australia.
01:18:16.000Anyway, so we split up and I came over here and Bieb went on to form Little River Band and the singer became a TV star in Australia.
01:18:59.000She just thought it was the next step for me.
01:19:02.000She thought getting back in another band and being the guitar player was, she said, she thought I had more to offer, more going for me and a better career if I went solo.
01:19:12.000So I released this Speak to the Sky song that I wrote for my mommy.
01:19:36.000Well, I mean, I always point to the difference between 59 and 69 as being like one of the most radical changes in culture and music in all of human history.
01:21:04.000Well, it's also that music has had a shelf life.
01:21:08.000That is above and beyond anything that came after it.
01:21:11.000Like stuff from, like there's a lot of rock and roll music from the 80s that just, you know, doesn't have the same feeling as like Kashmir.
01:23:05.000And and I, um, and you were saying, you know, music has more weight, had more certain music has more weight.
01:23:12.000And I think England has always amazed me because this little tiny friggin' island, the Beatles, the Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Clapton, Kinks.
01:23:24.000Yeah, I mean, well, Clapton actually was Canadian, was he really?
01:24:19.000And I think all that came together, and I think that's a lot of the reason there are so many great bands, it's a collection of all this genetic material from Europe and all around.
01:24:33.000And the Romans, I mean, Fuck, look what they did.
01:25:41.000And America was looking away from America.
01:25:45.000They didn't want to look, I think, was a big part of the Beatles.
01:25:49.000They didn't want to look at America right then, at that point.
01:25:53.000Suddenly, here were these four mop tops, and they came and smiled and sang great music and took our attention away from, you know, darkness.
01:26:02.000Well, they were probably the first real super band, right?
01:29:40.000One of the Atlantic, someone, Atlantic, Ahmed Erdogan, or somebody called up and said, If you don't play this song in Billie Jean in the next 10 minutes, we're pulling all our artists.
01:30:19.000The reason why we have two of those is because Rick Baker saw the original one that Pat McGee did that we had back here, and he said the proportions were wrong.
01:30:29.000So, Pat McGee, the guy who made that for me, said, I'm going to make another one that has the right proportions.
01:30:36.000So, Rick Baker came to my studio, did my podcast, and said, That's great, but the legs are too long, the body's too long, this is the wrong proportions.
01:33:20.000It's weird that rock and roll has kind of faded.
01:33:22.000I never thought the guitar would kind of become uncool.
01:33:25.000I thought once we got through disco, where it was just in the background, and suddenly there was ACDC, and you're going, oh, thank God, the guitar is back.
01:33:54.000Or there's a specific rock, you know, like I don't know where you hear, you know, new Foo Fighters other than you certainly don't hear it on, you know, any of the AM stations anymore, do you?
01:35:46.000I mean, I was 29, 30 by the time that happened.
01:35:51.000And I was, I'd imagined it for so long because I'm very, one of the things I really believe in is, you know, as I'm sure you do, to manifestation, believing, you know, visualization, seeing what you want and committing to it.
01:36:07.000And I'd seen it so much, so many times in my head that when it happened, I went, yeah, that's how it is.
01:36:18.000I knew something would happen and I had faith.
01:36:21.000You know, there were times when I was, because of the teen magazines, I get letters sometimes.
01:36:27.000I can't wait to come over and meet you and visit you in your mansion.
01:36:32.000And at the time, I was living in a $180 a month apartment in a seedy area of Hollywood, eating TV man dinners and fishing quarters out of my goofy piggy bank so I could go down and buy milk.
01:38:29.000But this guy obviously remembered me and he called up my agent who hadn't done a fucking thing for me in 12 months and said, I remember this guy, Springfield.
01:38:39.000We'd like to see him for this part on.
01:38:41.000General Hospital, and I said, General, fucking soap opera.
01:38:48.000And I'm thinking, Well, it's mostly old ladies ironing in the afternoon.
01:38:53.000That's still going to have any effect on my music career, I guess, because they totally, you know, it's apples and oranges.
01:38:59.000So I went up, and I wasn't that interested in it.
01:39:01.000And I did the reading, and then he calls up and says, You got the part.
01:39:05.000And Keith Olson, who was a big producer at the time and who'd produced Jesse's Girl, he'd done me a favor because he was, because the Sound City connection.
01:39:14.000He'd done Fleaband Mac and Pat Benatar and Foreigner and a lot of big hits.
01:39:21.000And so I said, I'll do a favor for Joe, and he'd actually cut together my very first album.
01:39:27.000He'd been a guy that cut all the clicks out of my first album where they punched me in, the vocals in.
01:39:34.000And so he did that, and he said, You don't need to do this.
01:42:51.000And they had personalities and people, you know, yeah.
01:42:54.000They had personalities and they were interesting to listen to and they would tell you why, like, you're going to dig this and they would play it and you're like, ooh, what is this?
01:44:58.000Well, when I was a kid, my uncle Vinny was an artist and he worked for Howard Marks Advertising, which was a company that did all of the album covers for Kiss.
01:49:02.000You know, I mean, I didn't lessen the excitement, but it was, I prepared myself for it, you know.
01:49:09.000Do you remember what it was like the first time you started playing the first few chords of Jesse's Girl and the whole crowd knew what it was?
01:51:11.000And same thing with Sammy Davis Jr. where we did, I was on the first night of 100 stars and we're walking along the red carpet and I feel someone tugging on my jacket.
01:53:45.000And it was, you know, like I was on it.
01:53:48.000I'm this one, you're talking about, you know, new fame and all that kind of stuff.
01:53:53.000I had a little house that I bought on BMI Advances because I had a record deal, which they don't do anymore, but in Montrose, in La Crocetta.
01:54:05.000And I'm walking down the street one day and nobody's looking at me.
01:54:08.000I'm going, yeah, I'm just walking down.
01:54:10.000And then two weeks later, after being on the show for two weeks, I'm walking down the same street.
01:56:18.000You know, I mean, I got really good because they handed us a three-page scene once, me and a character I was working with, said, we're shooting this in 20 minutes.
02:02:21.000And we're sitting around this, and we're supposed to be drinking, and we all drank, and the gut was so bad they had to reshoot it the next day.
02:07:03.000Which they both have written on it, which it didn't happen much, you know, mostly they wrote their own songs, you know.
02:07:10.000But they both got their hand in this, and there's even Wednesday Morning at 9 o'clock written at the bottom, too, for the first line from She's Leaving Home.
02:07:18.000But Paul did a drawing of the Sgt. Pepper cover when he still pictured it as them in Victorian.
02:09:11.000I mean, I think there was a lot of influence.
02:09:13.000Yeah, the caterpillar was probably high, you know, and I don't know how much, how aware that they all were then, but I know that the Beatle, John loved him and loved his writing.
02:09:24.000And he would, I mean, I'm sure he had a wink in there somewhere about being dope, you know, but or.
02:09:43.000And, you know, a lot of people think that, yeah, all of the drugs, but it wasn't.
02:09:49.000It was they had the talent, but the drugs just maybe took that talent somewhere that they maybe wouldn't have gone if they hadn't have done the drugs.
02:09:57.000But it wasn't drugs that make people creative.
02:10:01.000It's what they have inside them that the drug, you know, frees whatever resistance there is.
02:10:08.000It was the talent, and it was also the volume.
02:10:11.000Have you ever read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers?
02:11:25.000And it just happened, you know, but they, I don't know if they realized they were wood shedding for the great moment, but that's absolutely what they were doing.
02:11:34.000I think they were just doing it to stay alive.
02:11:42.000One of the greatest bass players of all time, he said, I got lumbered with the bass because he was a guitar player and Stuart Sutcliffe was the bass player, right?
02:12:23.000It's just a, It's just so strange how, after the fact, you go back and look back on all the different events that had to take place in order for them to become the Beatles.
02:12:34.000And many bands would become what they became.
02:12:38.000It's just so fascinating to me to see that.
02:12:49.000And I was in Australia, and my wife was over here in Beloit, Wisconsin.
02:12:54.000And I went to England and she moved to California and I went back to Australia and she moved back to Beloit and I came over here and I happened to hook up with a manager at Sound City.
02:13:04.000And at the same time, she happened to meet this woman who she liked her accent.
02:13:08.000She was an English woman and she became friends and she worked at Sound City.
02:13:12.000So Barbara came in to work at Sound City and I met her there.
02:13:15.000And, you know, there's all these I mean, it happened in everybody's life and it's just amazing that we have successful lives.
02:13:25.000It all seems like it's meant to be, but I always wonder if that's like.
02:13:29.000Just you're looking back and you're looking for a pattern why it makes sense.
02:13:34.000You're just tracing what happened by happenstance, you know.
02:13:39.000But that it ended up in a good way, you know?
02:13:43.000Well, it seems like whenever anyone has had an extraordinary life, there's always this fortuitous series of events that take place that enable this to just become what it became.
02:14:49.000I mean, I kind of was raised, my guitar playing was based on, you know, because of Clapton and all those guys, was based on a lot of the blues players, B.B. King and, you know, all the early players.
02:15:09.000One of them had been in prison, and there was one guy that had been in prison a couple of times, and it all We're the kind of guys that would go to pubs in the weekend and go out and fight, which is an Australian tradition.
02:15:20.000It's the only place I've ever been where you go into the men's restroom and there's a sign that says, This is what you do if your buddy gets into a fight.
02:18:22.000But yeah, Oprah went looking for her actually.
02:18:27.000She was looking for the women behind the songs and they found the stained glass guy and he died two years before and they'd thrown all the paperwork out a year after that.