00:03:30.000We raised so much money, it was amazing.
00:03:33.000It was going well up until the 60 hour point.
00:03:35.000Started hallucinating, started seeing things.
00:03:37.000Basically, the only way I can describe it is you're looking through the eye of a needle, it's just getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
00:03:43.000And then it just went completely black, it just went completely dark.
00:08:48.000They filled me out and got me out of the hospital in a few days.
00:08:51.000But I think what's so strange is that sort of a career then led me to swim around Iceland, where I just knew what rhabdomyolysis, hypothermia, cellulitis, I knew what all of those things were.
00:09:03.000So as a result, I kind of turned up in Iceland as this kind of.
00:09:07.000Bulletproof swimmer who was like, Oh, it doesn't matter what it's going to throw at me, I'm going to understand.
00:10:01.000I think what's weird, and I'm glad we started, you know, our catch up like this, because I think so often people go, why do you do it?
00:10:06.000But I think now looking at the anthropology of as humans, the history of as humans across different cultures, different countries, we've always been doing this idea of.
00:10:46.000Did ayahuasca for a week in the Amazon jungle with the Jamanawa tribe.
00:10:52.000At the end of this week, as part of the initiation into manhood, we basically then, this is such a random story, but they killed a snake and you have to bite the tongue out of the snake.
00:13:05.000This is the Russell's Viper, one of the most common snakes to inflict bites on people in India.
00:13:10.000During the ritual, the man mimicked the snake's tongue flickering movements, which is when the incredibly deadly snake bit him on the tongue.
00:15:00.000So basically, after you had basically just, you know, tongued a snake, they turn to you and they go, okay, now you have the wisdom of the jungle, but you cannot speak for 24 hours.
00:17:52.000It was like the early days of the internet.
00:17:53.000But this guy did this documentation of what his arm looked like from the time he got bit by this rattlesnake to like eight surgeries later.
00:19:27.000But I was living with the, in Olenyok, so in Siberia, with the Avenki herders out there.
00:19:33.000And I think so often we've become too civilized.
00:19:35.000We kind of have civilization over survival.
00:19:38.000And there's certain things that they do, whether it's they rely on the reindeer, they kill them, they have them for their milk, butter, make all sorts out of them.
00:19:45.000But this one particular story, I'm going to apologize in advance now.
00:19:48.000But to manage the amount of reindeer that they have in these huge herds, they basically said to us, Look, we need to basically castrate some of the male reindeer because they're fighting.
00:19:58.000So we still need them, but we need to castrate them.
00:20:01.000I was like, Okay, that's a bit off key, but give me the knife and I'll do whatever you need to do.
00:20:04.000And they said, No, no, no, no, we'll stop you there, Ross.
00:20:06.000We actually do a form of semi castration.
00:20:08.000So we just want to make them slightly more docile so they're not fighting as much.
00:25:00.000And so often, it's just enough to look at them.
00:25:03.000As long as they can see your eyes, they go, okay, you've seen me.
00:25:06.000But the amount of time, sometimes when we were down there, and they're like, Ross, have your head on a swivel, because they were just calming up behind me.
00:25:11.000And had I not turned around, 100%, I wouldn't be speaking to you now.
00:30:09.000Statistically, when a black bear attacks you, it's more likely in predation.
00:30:14.000Whereas when a brown bear attacks you, it's more likely surprised and it's defending itself, or it's a mother with her cubs, which is the most dangerous.
00:31:08.000It was so weird going from the Yukon, and then a year later, we did the Iceland swim.
00:31:12.000And there were some of these old, sort of modern day Viking chiefs who basically were explaining about the concept of a berserker as well.
00:31:18.000Berserker, obviously, just meaning bear shirt, saying that these berserkers, these ancient Nordic warriors, would so often just try to embody the spirit of the animal.
00:31:26.000And there was even the Ulfhafner, which are.
00:31:35.000You learn something new every day, Jamie.
00:31:37.000So they would embody literally the spirit of the animal.
00:31:41.000Like I said, there was almost, from berserkers as well, there were almost like subcategories as well.
00:31:44.000So there were the, I hope I'm pronouncing it right, Ulf Hufner, which were the wolf warriors, and they were Odin's chosen warriors.
00:31:51.000There, there's stories of them just running into battle, no armor, basically naked, painted, biting down onto their shields as well, and howling into the wind.
00:32:00.000You know, they were also doing mushrooms.
00:32:50.000You would put these guys in salmon suits and make them swim through when those bears are like catching those salmon that are going up the waterfall and those rivers where there's like nine, ten of them.
00:33:21.0001066, I believe, when the Norwegians were invading England, Stamford Bridge, basically, the Norwegians were retreating.
00:33:28.000And as they were, there was just this one lone berserker who just stood on the bridge with a massive axe and was just taking down just soldier after soldier.
00:33:37.000They just wave after wave and took them down.
00:33:39.000Eventually, it was somebody who actually went under the bridge and managed to stab him from underneath.
00:33:43.000But it was known as the berserker of Stamford Bridge.
00:33:49.000Do you see like those guys in Iceland that win those strongman competitions?
00:33:54.000Just imagine one of those guys with a battle axe.
00:33:57.000You know, imagine like the mountain from Game of Thrones with a giant wood and steel, wood and iron fucking huge shield in front of him and an enormous battle axe that you couldn't even pick up.
00:35:07.000But it traces back to their culture as well.
00:35:08.000This is one thing that I loved when swimming around Iceland.
00:35:11.000That, for instance, you know the story of Odin and Ragnarok.
00:35:14.000Do you know at the end where, you know, spoiler alert for those listening, Odin knew he was going to die in Ragnarok, the Norse apocalypse, but ran in anyway.
00:35:21.000Spoiler alert, he got eaten by a giant wolf.
00:35:24.000But this is what I loved that the Icelandic and Nordic folklore is like, look, you can't control fate.
00:35:29.000Everybody believed that you were destined.
00:35:31.000But it's how you can control your attitude towards it.
00:35:34.000And I think that's the thing that I've certainly found from Icelandic culture that it doesn't matter if you are Gunnar Nelson going up against a 250 pound monster, you will just run into battle anyway.
00:38:22.000But you're so right as well with that mixed with certainly being out in Iceland when you hear stories of elves, trolls, you know, all of these things.
00:38:28.000And then when you're out there, like I said, I started the swim, I had a block ceremony.
00:38:32.000Basically, just means that they blessed my journey as I swam around Iceland.
00:38:35.000And at the start, they were talking about, you know, the different realms of Iceland as well.
00:38:39.000Do you know the story about the different guardians of Iceland?
00:39:35.000And even now, as well, if you're in Iceland and you see a road that is just like inexplicably curved and goes around, I'm like, what's happening there?
00:40:10.000There's a popular theory that consciousness is rendered, or rather, reality is rendered by consciousness, and that consciousness renders reality much like a computer and a 3D game engine renders a game.
00:40:25.000So, like if you're playing a game, like say if you're playing Halo, it doesn't have to render all these maps that you're not in.
00:40:35.000It's only rendering the map that you're in.
00:40:37.000So, as you go into the new maps, then it starts to render it.
00:40:41.000So, there's legitimate physicists that are entertaining the possibility that reality is not concrete and that reality is actually rendered by consciousness.
00:40:54.000And here's my thought I don't know if this is accurate.
00:41:18.000It has access to all these different university courses you can take on biology and evolution and the nature of the world and what causes the tide and what makes thunderstorms happen and all these different things that we know now.
00:41:33.000Now, imagine if those things didn't exist and all you have is just super hyper focused on nature, primitive people who have gods.
00:41:46.000As an explanation for everything, and they're on mushrooms.
00:41:50.000Like, if consciousness really does render reality, then, well, then the elves are real, right?
00:41:58.000Because then, if you've done enough mushrooms, you have encountered an entity.
00:42:04.000You've encountered something that doesn't seem like you're making it up, it seems like it's there all the time, but you don't have access to it.
00:42:11.000And then all of a sudden, you're in front of it.
00:42:13.000And if you're in a world where there's no explanations for anything because no one knows how to read, Okay, you met you have a bunch of fucking weird grunts for your language, you have extra consonants and shit, and all your words like this is and they're warrior people, and you're on mushrooms, and you're respecting the elf land so much so you move your road around 100%.
00:42:41.000Because I remember at the start of my swim, I did a training swim, I'm toweling down afterwards, getting out of my wetsuit, and this like old, old guy, this old fisherman just comes out of nowhere.
00:43:24.000That in ancient Nordic folklore, that basically the northern lights are the Valkyries, Odin's female warriors, and that is their shimmering shields and their swords as they're riding through the sky, looking down at the fallen to see who makes it back to Valhalla to dine with Odin.
00:43:37.000And I was again, at the time, I was like, oh, that's a bit off key.
00:43:48.000But then, what a funny way to describe it.
00:43:50.000112 days later, we swim obviously through the summer, so there's less. Chance to see the northern lights because you get 24 hours of daylight, and then right at the very end, on the very, very, very last swim, northern lights come up again.
00:44:01.000It was weird, and I am on my back, just like, Look, if that's the Valkyries, if Odin is listening, thank you so much.
00:44:11.000Well, if you again, if you lived back then, you would think that your journey is complete, and so at the end of the video game, you get to see some cool montage of scenes and beautiful sights.
00:44:21.000And I mean, that's what happens in a movie.
00:44:23.000If this is the end of the movie, yeah, yeah, you did it.
00:46:44.000But when your house can be destroyed by an earthquake, when you can be blown over by the wind, when boiling water from your taps tells you there's lava not far beneath your feet, then you don't mess with nature.
00:47:53.000The University of Iceland said, Look, if you can collect eDNA samples, environmental DNA samples around the coast of Iceland, we can track biodiversity in a level of detail we've never seen before.
00:48:02.000So we had them on board, we had sponsors on board, we had a boat on board, and then we found out we were pregnant.
00:51:28.000I was talking to Huberman about this, and I really, hormonally, I felt I was always a bit selfish, a bit single minded in my swims and stuff.
00:51:35.000As soon as he arrived, I was like, that's it.
00:51:53.000I even said, you know, in my new book, I talk about how it's kind of this idea that the swim was almost a tribute to everything that my dad had taught me, but equally a letter to my future son.
00:52:02.000You know, and I hope that they look at that and go, okay, yeah, all the values and everything that I was taught.
00:52:07.000Well, just living the way you live, just by example, would be an insane role model for your kid.
00:53:33.000As many times as you take a few weeks off working out and you start working out again, you're like, oh my God, am I really going to put myself through this again?
00:53:47.000But I was chatting to Huberman about this because I was just, I'm so aware that my dopamine system probably works a little bit differently.
00:53:52.000You know, in that someone says, oh, let's go do a 24 hour swim.
00:54:02.000But, and I know you and Huberman spoke about with your anterior mid cingulate cortex, and that's the only way that I can actually.
00:54:09.000For me, it was so interesting chatting to him because in my head, when your tongue is falling off or, or you know, you're just chafing cellulitis, I think of it like weighing scales and you kind of got grit or quit pain and purpose.
00:54:23.000And at any point, the anterior mid cingulate cortex, that part of your brain, is just weighing them up.
00:54:27.000For me, you just need as much pain as it is.
00:54:31.000You just need to outweigh it with enough purpose.
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00:58:55.000And at Rory, when he collapsed, it was like his nose had been shattered, and the pain was just overwhelmed his brain, his body shut off, and he just collapsed.
01:01:39.000So the head dude, I'm blanking on his name, but I was just watching this video about Carlos Prates, who is one of my all time favorites right now in the UFC, in the welterweight division.
01:01:50.000And one of the things they were talking about is how he has his fighters mimic.
01:01:55.000Animals and he studies animals and animals fighting to the death online, and that it's all about controlling the space.
01:02:03.000Like, you they would give an example of the mongoose and the cobra, and it's not that the mongoose is faster than the cobra or more deadly than the cobra, it's that mongoose is a master of controlling space.
01:02:15.000The mongoose is like fainting, like, as he's coming into the cobra, he's like moving in a little bit.
01:02:20.000Yeah, Pablo, Pablo is a brilliant guy, and he's the one.
01:02:26.000Like, they really do like data analytics and they study all moves that work and moves that don't work and what happens at what percentage of time.
01:02:32.000Like, he's got a very data driven approach to MMA training, but also like super open minded because he's like considering animal movements.
01:02:41.000And the things that he was talking about were mongooses and cobras.
01:02:45.000And they have this example and it shows like these mongooses, they're essentially like juking with the cobra, they're fainting, they're trying to get the cobra to react, and they move back when the cobra reacts.
01:02:56.000And they slept, but they're trying to draw this cobra in and get a sense of what the cobra's distance is.
01:03:36.000Certainly for me, when swimming, in many ways, I was very much inspired by the sharks.
01:03:40.000You know, when I was swimming, very much like the berserker, the bear.
01:03:43.000And I think some of the best athletes, like I said, I love Pereira and his Jaguar style, you know, both feet on the floor, so constantly generating power.
01:03:50.000But yeah, Samuel Johnson, become a beast to get rid of the pain of being a man.
01:04:23.000I think also what I found so interesting is again, I was trying to hoop about this, but the different parts of the brain.
01:04:29.000So your ventral striatum, the part of the brain that's almost involved in expectation, reward, and reality.
01:04:37.000So to use a fighting example, when things are going well for a fighter, what's happening, the ventral striatum is going, okay, I've done this and that.
01:04:45.000It's prime Conor McGregor, it's prime Anderson Silver, it's modern day Ilya Topura, you know, that everything's going well.
01:04:52.000But as soon as that goes wrong, something goes wrong, all of a sudden dopamine plummets, ventral striatum goes, okay, that behavior is now not working.
01:05:00.000And I think it's been so interesting seeing fighters.
01:05:04.000The same with it when I'm swimming, I can get caught in a countercurrent.
01:05:07.000There's been times where I swim and they go, Ross, you've got to swim for four hours to swim out of this massive whirlpool.
01:05:12.000I swim for four hours, head down, head down like that.
01:05:14.000My alarm goes off, I look on my watch, I go, guys, how far have we swum?
01:05:17.000And they go, Ross, you've been swimming on the same spot.
01:06:14.000Again, this is an oversimplification, but in my head, this is how I basically map it out.
01:06:19.000Anterior mid cingulate cortex, grit or quit, pain and purpose, discipline.
01:06:23.000You just do it because you said you were going to do it.
01:06:24.000You just grit your teeth and get through it.
01:06:26.000Or dorsolateral prefrontal cortex over here, which is more strategy.
01:06:30.000And sometimes you can just completely reframe what you're doing.
01:06:33.000You can change technique and everything as well when you're swimming, but sometimes just reframing that suffering.
01:06:39.000You know, a great man said, be the hero of your own movie.
01:06:41.000And I think looking at the hero's journey as well, I think that's so interesting where Joseph Campbell talks about that idea of just kind of the hero slaying your dragon, innermost cave battling.
01:06:53.000So, I think sometimes that strategy is just reframing your suffering when you're constantly losing.
01:06:59.000And how long did it take you to get out of that whirlpool?
01:07:02.000I think we were there for most of that day.
01:07:05.000Most of that day, and then with the tide, because basically, over the top of Iceland, it's like a giant bay, so you get counter currents, whirlpools, and eventually, with everything that's happening, you'll eventually be able to swim out of it.
01:07:16.000Eventually, yeah, yeah, but you can, yeah.
01:10:59.000The ocean itself is just like, like, what's interesting about all those people in that photograph that's in that video that are watching and standing.
01:11:07.000Isn't it fascinating how people are drawn to that abyss?
01:11:11.000They're drawn to the majesty of that water, just the vastness of it.
01:11:17.000There's something about that that I think is really good for people.
01:11:22.000I think it's one of the reasons why people like going to the ocean and sitting on the beach.
01:11:24.000I think there's something about that that just calms people the fuck down because it puts you into perspective.
01:13:51.000He's got bone on bone on both of his fucking knees.
01:13:53.000He's had multiple operations where they had to actually, his bone had grown so fucked up that they had to chop his fucking leg in half and pull it down so they could make it level.
01:14:05.000Because the bone, it's like called, what is it called, Wolf syndrome or some shit?
01:14:09.000Where they grind against each other so your body tries to protect itself by building extra bone.
01:14:14.000And when it builds it, it fucks up the geometry of the knees.
01:15:46.000And I think that's what Goggins does so well.
01:15:47.000And I did take inspiration from that on certain swims as well, where, you know, reading a few comments online, people go, he's never going to do this swim.
01:16:23.000So going back to biomimicry, I mean, we're talking about that a lot now, but I think what's so interesting is I want to become more whale like.
01:16:29.000You know, I think absolutely, you look at a pool swimmer, they are poetic in the water, they're amazing, they look like Dolphins, a mako shark, that would be useless for me when caught in an Arctic storm.
01:16:41.000Yeah, muscle mass being thermic, so I can generate heat with every single movement.
01:16:45.000But equally, on top of that, I think it's also really interesting that through my strength training, it's called mechanotransduction, just basically means people think of strength training as improving the strength of the muscles, but it's connective tissue, ligaments, and tendons that respond to that mechanical stimuli.
01:17:00.000So for me, when swimming, I need the connective tissue.
01:17:04.000The tendons in my rotator cuff need to be.
01:17:06.000Bulletproof because that's what's going to give up.
01:17:09.000This swim isn't going to stop because of my VO2 or lactic threshold.
01:17:13.000It's going to stop because something tears.
01:17:15.000So that's why being like this, I'm not as fast, but I sacrifice that for being more physically robust.
01:18:09.000And what she's so that's that's swimming, that's that's sprinting.
01:18:13.000So obviously, that's that's not endurance, but taking inspiration from that, you have what's called your strength reserve.
01:18:18.000So, strength reserve just basically means if you are capable of doing a pull up with 100 kilos, that means your own body weight is a basically a smaller percentage of what you're capable of.
01:19:35.000But what I've taken from it, like I said, your strength reserve.
01:19:37.000Basically, if you're capable of a huge one rep max on pull ups, it means that every single stroke that you take is a smaller percentage of what you're capable of.
01:19:46.000I think the best example I can think of like this is a good friend of mine, Eddie Hall, worst drummer's man, first guy to live 500 kilos.
01:19:55.000And there was a particular wad, it was 60 kilos.
01:19:58.000There's a brilliant video if you've seen it, Jamie, but it's 60 kilos.
01:20:02.000And you see these crossfitters, they're upped overhead, and it's a clean and it's a beautiful push press.
01:20:09.000But because Eddie is so strong and he's got such a big strength reserve, he basically, as you're about to see now, just I mean, that's a front delt raise mixed with a row.
01:21:24.000So, coming back to the swimming, that as strong as I get when I'm strength training, it just means that every single stroke over the Arctic Circle.
01:21:31.000Is a smaller fraction of what I'm capable of.
01:21:46.000I think also what was really interesting that MRI scan revealed so you have slow twitch fibers that are very resistant to fatigue, they're your ultramarathon runners.
01:21:53.000Then you have your fast twitch fibers that are sprint speed, power.
01:21:56.000And what was so strange is on my MRI, they said, Ross, you have an unusual proportion of fast oxidative glycolytic fibers.
01:22:03.000So, they're basically in between the two.
01:22:05.000They're able to produce a lot of force, but they're very resistant to fatigue as well.
01:26:30.000If someone gets you an armbar, you can allow your arm to get broken.
01:26:33.000And I've seen it happen a lot of times.
01:26:35.000But what you can't do is stop a guy from choking unconscious.
01:26:38.000And so Marcelo, being as smart as he is and being a small guy, he's like 160 pounds, he just figured, okay, I'll just get everybody's neck.
01:27:42.000And that's just a completely different thing.
01:27:46.000I think that's it because I've always brought up with my dad and my granddad telling me stories, one of athletes, but two.
01:27:52.000You know, the heroic age of Antarctic exploration when Admondson, Robert Falcon Scott, Shackleton were trying to get to the South Pole.
01:27:58.000And you know about Robert Falcon Scott and Admondson, the contrast in what they did.
01:28:03.000You know, with Admondson, just Norwegian efficiency to get to the South Pole.
01:28:06.000So turns up he's learnt so much from those indigenous in the Arctic, learnt about dogs.
01:28:12.000All of the crew were gifted in cross country skiing.
01:28:14.000In comparison, the British guy, Robert Falcon Scott, brought ponies that fell through the ice, mechanical sleds that broke down, tinned food, terrible.
01:28:23.000What was so interesting, as they got there, Admundsen even knew as he got to the South Pole, he had a certain amount of dogs.
01:28:30.000And then on the way back, he knew he could start systematically eating the dogs on the way back.
01:28:35.000Whereas the British, Robert Falcon Scott, refused to do that.
01:28:37.000They were just handling, manhandling all of their sleds.
01:28:40.000And when they got there to the South Pole, they saw the Norwegian flag there already, then were forced to trek back.
01:28:45.000And I mean, one of the most harrowing, it was Lawrence Oates, whose foot was badly injured.
01:28:51.000And he just knew that he was holding up the team.
01:28:54.000And then famously, as they were caught in a blizzard, he just turned to the team and just said, Gentlemen, I'm going for a short walk.
01:30:11.000If you talk to fishermen and if you talk like the people that have done surveys, and obviously the ocean is enormous, it's very hard to understand.
01:30:18.000But the middle of it is not where everything is.
01:30:21.000Most of the life on the ocean is near the shores, or at least reasonably close to the shores.
01:30:28.00090 fucking percent of all big fish aren't in the ocean anymore.
01:30:32.000Like all these tuna men that used to fish tuna way back in the day and catch thousands, it's a lot less now.
01:30:44.000And there's regulations that some countries have on the way they're allowed to fish, but some countries don't follow any of those fucking regulations.
01:31:15.000And so they first started kidnapping these people who were dumping these boats filled with toxic sludge or whatever the fuck they were dumping nuclear waste, whatever they're dumping into the ocean, and demanding a ransom because these people have caused them so much loss because their fish are all dead.
01:31:32.000And then they thought about it and said, well, fuck this.
01:32:16.000And so that's literally Somalia's history.
01:32:19.000So when you look at the Somalian scams that are happening in America, and you look at this stuff that's going on in Minnesota, like, well, how do all these Somalians get involved in all these scams?
01:32:30.000It all goes back to Europeans poisoning their water.
01:36:05.000And so it doesn't seem that far of a stretch to imagine that that initially started off a crash in their economy if their fishing lands were or fishing was poisoned.
01:36:33.000I re asked and it gave a different answer.
01:36:35.000Yes, some Somali pirates explicitly ascribe their attacks as retaliation for toxic waste dumping, not just illegal fishing.
01:36:42.000Previous answer understated the reporting behind that claim, but it does not establish that the crews they kidnapped. themselves dumping waste.
01:37:06.000You think people had like signs on their lawn?
01:37:08.000Elect Juana Ali Jama for spokesman of the pirates.
01:37:13.000Described a ransom demand as a way of reacting to the toxic waste that's been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years.
01:37:27.000The report connected that claim to the captured MV Fina, a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and military equipment, not a vessel identified in the report as a dumping waste.
01:37:56.000I'm not even going to attempt that one.
01:37:57.000Almadou Aloud Abdallah said the UN had reliable information that European and Asian companies were dumping toxic waste off Somalia.
01:38:07.000UNEP spokesman Nick Natal described Somalia as a hazardous waste dumping ground, but said insecurity prevented a proper scientific assessment of the problem's extent.
01:38:19.000Listen, man, people love to dump shit in the ocean, these fucking assholes.
01:38:23.000You remember when that kid got killed in Egypt?
01:38:27.000He was at a resort in Egypt and he got killed by a shark.
01:40:26.000Demetrius Johnson and the smaller guys, you're just kind of like, yeah, yeah, you're not inhibited by gravity the same way.
01:40:30.000But with Cain Velasquez, you're like, that just, you shouldn't, you should be able to do that.
01:40:34.000DC told me Cain would take a couple months off of training, like he had an injury, had to take time off of training, come back three months later, fuck everybody up at the gym.
01:41:28.000It just shows you that altitude training is fucking critical, man.
01:41:34.000If you want to compete at altitude, I was showing you the hypoxia chamber that we have here, the Exalt, I think it's called the Exalt XP hypoxia trainer.
01:41:44.000It is so hard to work out at altitude.
01:41:48.000But if you can do it, I did it in preparation for this hunt that I did in Utah.
01:41:54.000And so I did it for two months, and I was very rigorous.
01:42:40.000And I only got to do it for two months.
01:42:41.000And now I'm thinking, I'm getting ready for next September.
01:42:44.000I'm like, if I can do it for a whole year, if I could do that twice a week for a year, that'll make a giant difference by the time September rolls around.
01:42:51.000I think that's going to change a lot of the way.
01:42:54.000I think that particular type of training, when you're training at like that machine, can crank you up to above 20,000 feet above sea level.
01:47:05.000Well, the theory goes that he was saying that basically, with the circumcision, you're basically as a young man in front of the entire tribe.
01:47:12.000They all come out and they put clay, like mud, on your face.
01:49:36.000It then cuts to the British guy who's older and he's recounting this entire race.
01:49:41.000And he says, I'm running and things are going well.
01:49:44.000And then I feel on my shoulder, I feel this.
01:49:47.000This Emil just pops up on my shoulder and Emil turns to me and goes, I'm so sorry, I've never run marathon before, so I don't know if it's too fast or too slow.
01:49:56.000And I thought to myself, you shit, I'm gonna mess with you, I'm gonna mess with your head.
01:50:00.000So I turned and I said, No, no, no, this is far too slow, we're in trouble, thinking that would break in.
01:50:05.000And Emil just turned and went, No problem, I will see you at finish line and ran and won three gold medals, Helsinki Olympics.
01:50:12.000The reason I tell that story as well is not many people know.
01:50:15.000So his training, next time you're down an athletics track, he used to do 100, 400 meter sprints.
01:50:53.000So, with somebody like him, 100, 400 meter sprints, but his wife was an amazing javelin thrower as well.
01:51:01.000So, date night for them is they'd go out and his wife, Would just like launch the javelin and he would go and get it like a dog and then come back and be like, Here you go, babe.
01:51:14.000He used to run with his wife on his back through the woods.
01:51:17.000And then sometimes when he wasn't able to run because it was snowing too much or condition wouldn't allow, famously, he would get in the bath and just basically just tread on dirty laundry as well, just to try to just do it as well.
01:51:28.000So, Emil Zatepec, to your point, I always find it fascinating that sometimes when you talk about people who are, you know, I've been training so hard, I've sacrificed so much.
01:51:37.000I'm like, yeah, that's great, but I don't want to go against an Emil Zatopek, someone who just loves it, someone who just date night is running out their intervals, bringing back.
01:51:44.000Well, have you heard of that race they do where it's a race until everyone else drops out?
01:51:59.000I think Chris Williamson was talking about it, a mutual friend of ours was talking about Mark Dowdle, who was just basically like hunting and like just stalking the competition.
01:52:08.000And it was called the Last Soul Ultra.
01:52:55.000What I love is he talks about actually collecting their souls.
01:53:00.000So at the end, you're basically given a trinket which has got everybody's soul on it, and he's there like some ancient warrior holding it up.
01:53:35.000And the thing about him, too, is he's kind of a bigger guy.
01:53:38.000I believe his background was lacrosse as well.
01:53:40.000So he weight trains, which goes back to what I was talking about before about mechanotransduction, strength reserve, that you're that.
01:53:48.000You'd say that doesn't make sense for an ultra endurance athlete.
01:53:50.000But again, I would argue that his biomechanics are just perfect and they won't break down compared to somebody who doesn't have that strength background.
01:55:42.000I think the reason I love Mark as well is because he's bringing a level of gamesmanship and mind games that wasn't really seen in Ultra Endurance.
01:55:50.000Right, they're all supposed to be super supportive of each other.
01:57:04.000This is what I find so strange that if aliens came down to this world and you had to explain to them, Like, who is the best mixed martial artist?
01:57:11.000You'd go, okay, so here's Khabib, devout Muslim, doesn't drink, you know, lives in the mountains.
01:57:17.000And you go, oh, cool, so that's the blueprint.
01:57:19.000And you go, oh, well, no, sorry, so there's a guy, John Jones, over here.
02:00:01.000Where we could see the moment where his toe snapped.
02:00:03.000And it was because he was delivering ground and pound with such force that as he was pushing off, he snapped his own toe and turned it around.
02:00:12.000And to this day, when he fights, he has to tape those toes together.
02:00:45.000And also, that's Vitor, who was a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie, elite arm bar.
02:00:51.000And then he wound up tapping Vitor in the next round.
02:00:54.000Even with his fight with Gustafsson as well, it just, like, going back to that anterior metingulate cortex, it just must be massive in him.
02:01:24.000If you get hit clean, no matter who you are, some guys are more durable than other guys.
02:01:28.000But no matter who you are, somebody head kicks you, if somebody hits you with a wheel kick or something like that, you're most likely going to go unconscious or close to it.
02:06:53.000He's got a great YouTube channel where he tells all these crazy, spooky, mystery stories.
02:06:59.000But he's a Navy SEAL, a former Navy SEAL.
02:07:01.000And one of the things that he said about what the people that make it through Buds, two people that do really well, two groups of people, one of them is wrestlers because they're just mentally tough.
02:07:11.000They're like, they're training and constantly being dehydrated and tired and just pushing and taking satisfaction being the most miserable.
02:07:20.000That's one of the things that wrestlers do.
02:07:22.000They take satisfaction suffering the most.
02:07:24.000They do really well, and then water polo players.
02:07:28.000And then I was like, wow, why water polo?
02:07:30.000And then I didn't know that water polo players never touch the ground.
02:07:35.000They're constantly treading water while they're playing that fucking game.
02:07:39.000Like, you have to be in insane shape to be in water polo.
02:07:43.000I never would have thought of water polo.
02:07:44.000Did you know that was my background, by the way?
02:14:26.000This guy is smoking cigarettes the week of the fight, smoking cigarettes the day of the fight, drinking, partying, just dead relaxed when he gets in there and fucking everybody up.
02:14:38.000Like, literally, world class fighters like Jack Della Maddalena, who was the former world champion, beat the fuck out of him in his home country of Australia, just beats his ass.
02:14:49.000In a ferocious way, where you're watching, like, wow, the level, the gap between them is so vast.
02:14:57.000And he's just essentially a product of that, of just being in the fire for so long.
02:15:04.000You just get forged, like constantly fighting.
02:15:13.000He said that wars were fought in the summer, but what you do in the winter has a profound impact on how well prepared you'd be.
02:15:18.000So they would just be doing a cold, hard winter's training.
02:15:21.000The Spartans, as well, famously would be given essentially a loincloth and just been told to endure the winter to fight, you know, for your food, you know.
02:15:28.000So you just create these crazy warriors.
02:15:30.000And I think now we're getting modern versions.
02:15:33.000I think the closest, you know, our mutual friend Liam Harrison, but he's just, he's wired different, you know.
02:15:39.000Yeah, I said, I told him he fights like he has rabies.
02:15:41.000Absolutely, that's the best way to fight.
02:17:37.000And I think there's a lot of people that are just people that are just not wired to follow the standard norm of what I think is a very boring structure of most schoolwork and most school.
02:17:51.000Like most of what you have to endure when you're a young kid is sitting down when you have the most energy.
02:18:31.000I don't like that term because I always just say my dopamine works a little bit differently.
02:18:34.000And what I mean by that sometimes as well is even understanding the sort of biochemistry on 400 milligrams of caffeine and then maybe like cognizant for acetylcholine as well.
02:18:48.000A supplement, a nootropic that will positively interact with acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter that is less jacked up, you're just kind of dialed in and focused.
02:20:24.000And I only become aware of that over the last, I don't know, a few years or so, that how much of an effect it has on mental focus.
02:20:32.000And one of the things that they've shown is people with sleep deprivation that when you were sleep deprived, when you take, I think it's 10 or 20 milligrams.
02:21:59.000Now, creatine, I actually didn't do that during the Yukon swim.
02:22:02.000So, weirdly, there's just a part of me that does want to go back just to actually trial that because towards the end of the Yukon swim, I was in pieces.
02:22:09.000So, I would love to see if I could actually supplement to go that much further.
02:22:13.000I think creatine was one that I would love to add to the arsenal.
02:22:18.000It says as part of the study, 15 test subjects were kept awake overnight and had to solve cognitive tasks during this time.
02:22:24.000Sleep deprivation tends to change, leads rather to changes in brain metabolism that promote the cellular uptake of creatine.
02:22:32.000Beforehand, the test subjects have received a high single dose of creatine, an important metabolic product that is found in food and can also be produced by the body itself.
02:22:40.000Three hours after taking the creatine, a positive effect on the brain metabolism.
02:22:44.000And the cognitive performance of the test subjects could already be observed.
02:22:48.000The effect reached its peak after four hours and lasted up to nine hours.
02:22:52.000In particular, the improvements in processing capacity and short term memory were seen.
02:22:57.000The results suggested that a single but high dose of creatine enhances thinking capacity and causes changes in the brain's energy reserves during sleep deprivation.
02:23:07.000I wonder what it does if you're not sleep deprived.
02:23:11.000Like, what if you're a kid and you have to take your ACTs or something like that?
02:24:18.000Even once it says, oh, even once it's fast?
02:24:20.000Because it can put a heavy strain on the kidneys.
02:24:21.000It says for the time being, however, it's not advisable for people to take such a high dose of creatine at home as high doses of the substance put a heavy strain on the kidneys and can cause health risks.
02:24:32.000I wonder if you could mitigate that strain by hyper.
02:27:11.000And I sit in there for 20, 25 minutes and I wear one of those straps, one of those heart rate monitors, and my shit will be at like 147, 148 the entire time I'm sitting there.
02:27:26.000So it's jacked up from the workout, right?
02:27:28.000And then I go right in and I might be at 100 when I step in there and it goes right back up, right back up.
02:27:35.000So like 10, 15 minutes in there, I'm just sitting there and I'm at one, especially when I start doing heavy stretches, which is why I do a lot of.
02:27:42.000I find that you can do stretches when you're in that 195 degree, 196 degree heat that you're just not going to be able to pull off.
02:27:50.000And so I force my tissue to just force it into position and hold it.
02:27:56.000And that really jacks your heart rate up.
02:28:25.000One is capillary density, mitochondrial efficiency.
02:28:28.000That you only get after like years and years and years.
02:28:31.000So it's like when you're younger, VO2, lactic threshold, elasticity of tendons, all of those things absolutely are better when you're younger.
02:28:38.000And that's why you see so many 100 meter champions and sprinters.
02:28:43.000But now I think all of those things that you're talking about now, heat adaptation, Hyperbaric chambers, everything like that, hypoxic chambers, sorry, everything like that is just trying to create, I think now, a new generation of older athletes.
02:28:55.000We're even seeing it 39 years old, Alex Pereira?
02:29:40.000Ronaldo, LeBron, I think LeBron makes no sense because everything that I just described there, your proportion of fast twitch fibers reduces as you get older, elasticity of tendons.
02:29:52.000So I understand if you're Messi, who's just amazing, his vision of the game and everything, he can sit there in midfield just spraying the ball.
02:30:15.000And I'm sure he's, I don't know what the rules are in the NBA with peptides and all that other jazz, but I'm sure he's on all that stuff too.
02:30:26.000You know, why wouldn't you be on BPC 157 and TB 500?
02:30:30.000And if you're allowed to be, you should definitely be on testosterone.
02:30:33.000And definitely be on some sort of human growth hormone, either something that pumps it up like some morealine, which naturally makes your body produce more human growth hormone, something that allows his body to regenerate tissue and heal quicker.
02:30:54.000Otherwise, it's crazy that he could perform.
02:30:56.000Because one of the things that we talk about a lot, or I talk about a lot with Cyril Gahn, who's the EOC heavyweight champion, is that Cyril has a background in basketball.
02:31:04.000And I think that's a factor because I think his movement, his ability to move, it's like basketball, you're doing plyometrics all the time.
02:31:51.000It's classified as an unapproved substance on the World Anti Doping Agency's prohibited list and follows broader anti doping policies against unapproved peptides and experimental drugs.
02:32:03.000Listen, man, there's zero studies that show there's any negative effects of BPC 157.
02:32:08.000And there's a lot of at least anecdotal evidence, first and foremost, that it's very beneficial for people recovering from injuries.
02:32:16.000But then there's also other studies that indicate that it really is helpful for people.
02:32:22.000No, I was looking this up because last year this player was on the Lakers, Luka Doncic, very famously got hurt right before the playoffs started.
02:32:28.000And he went to Spain to get treated and did not get better.
02:32:31.000And what that treatment was was not really publicly talked about.
02:32:36.000But people were saying, you know, get him on stem cells, get him on BPC 157, get him back so he can play.
02:32:42.000I don't know if they are doing it, they have to take time off so they can hide, you know, from the rest of the game.
02:32:47.000Right, sort of like Connor did when he broke his leg, right?
02:33:17.000And anything that would help these athletes get to the finish line, like, get to the cage in reasonable health, because they're always banged up.
02:33:25.000Like, whenever you see, even at a world championship level, when you see a guy who looks awesome, guarantee that guy's dealing with some shit.
02:33:31.000Guarantee that guy's got a sore hand, a fucked up shoulder, his knee hurts.
02:33:47.000But they're also doing, there's a lot of stuff these guys are doing now.
02:33:50.000A lot of guys are invested in hyperbaric chambers.
02:33:53.000They're doing a lot of hyperbaric therapy, which really does accelerate healing from injuries and just general overall recovery from just life itself.
02:34:49.000And, you know, in this country, there's this battle between pharmaceutical drug companies that want to patent these peptides and they want to profit off of them.
02:34:59.000And then there's also a lot of people who don't want people taking these therapies because it will cost them money in terms of the amount of orthopedic surgeries they get.
02:35:08.000That's a real thing, and they have influence, and it's a real problem.
02:35:12.000And unfortunately, people are willing to sacrifice the greater health and recovery of the entire population for their own personal gain.
02:35:54.000If you're traveling to some godforsaken part of the world to go do this therapy because it's not legal in America, okay, well, you've got to be real careful where you're going.
02:36:52.000It's like human beings are very vulnerable.
02:36:54.000And, you know, so it's not a cure all, but it is a very promising therapy.
02:37:00.000And for people that have had incredible results, and I'm one of them from stem cells, like, I'm screaming from the rooftops, like, hey, let's not just throw the baby out with the bathwater with this stuff.
02:41:57.000Well, I think that's one of the things that the kind of events that you participate in really genuinely does.
02:42:04.000It changes people's expectations of what's physically and humanly possible.
02:42:08.000And they all have to look at themselves and say, okay, maybe I can do more than I think I can.
02:42:15.000And I think even though these are extremes, and I think most people are not going to swim for 60 hours, what they're going to get out of that is this understanding that you're capable of so much more than you think you are.
02:42:25.000And just raising of expectations or at least raising of the limits of the possible, what is possible.
02:42:33.000And I think that alone is like a great benefit to people.
02:42:45.000But I say that that's not my purpose, I don't think.
02:42:47.000I think my purpose is people to get them to shift their barometer, their own personal barometer, just one degree of what they think they're capable of.