00:00:36.000How could you make that legal where you have a car that can fly over other cars if there's a traffic stop?
00:00:41.000Like, I'm trying to, I guess what some people are saying, it's like, you know, a test model car.
00:00:47.000Like, this will not, this is the version where, your concept car, yeah, yeah.
00:00:50.000Well, first of all, it probably won't be released anywhere near when they say it's going to be released, just based on what he's done in the past.
00:00:57.000I mean, the Roadster, there's a lot of people that paid $250,000 for the Roadster in 2017.
00:04:33.000Like, I've always been a Ford guy, so I've got like a Ford Tremor, which I love that truck.
00:04:38.000And so I put the money down, and then I started hearing like other guys got them, and they're like, oh, there's some issues and bugs being worked out.
00:06:51.000My favorite car of all time, and I've been saying this for years and I've never bought one, but my sister and her husband used to race Mustangs, and he had a 71 Ford Mach 1 with the big back end.
00:07:03.000And he eventually turned it into what they call a super calm funny car.
00:07:07.000So it became alcohol fueled, and the only thing that was original was the back end, but everything else got replaced over time.
00:07:50.000There's one car ride where you're not steering, you're just in a Car, it's like a roller coaster, and there's a car next to you, and you're supposedly racing.
00:08:40.000But one of the courses was for like a week and a half, all you do is learn how to drive.
00:08:45.000Like, they have rally car instructors come and teach you how to drive and like how to do trail turns and how to, you know, navigate a course.
00:08:57.000And then you do on road, off road, and like, They put you in all kinds of crazy scenarios.
00:09:02.000Like at one point, they drive you up to a checkpoint and you've got a bag over your head.
00:09:06.000And they put you at the checkpoint and they say, All right, we're going to take this bag off.
00:09:10.000When we take the bag off of your head, react to the situation like it's an operational scenario.
00:09:16.000And you can employ whatever you need to do.
00:09:17.000Like, so they basically just want to see how you do under pressure, but it's part of the car course.
00:09:24.000And, you know, for me, it was, you know, the guards started freaking out and then they're shooting blanks and stuff.
00:09:29.000And basically, They just want to see because they teach you exactly how to do it.
00:09:33.000Like, you plant your left foot, or you, yeah, you plant your left foot, you stand up, you get behind yourself, and then steer it backwards.
00:09:39.000And, like, how can you navigate a serpentine in reverse in a car while under fire and get out of a situation?
00:10:18.000I'm going to fucking be as good at golf as I can.1.00
00:10:20.000So, you know, at first I was trying to lift the ball or I was trying to overcorrect and prevent a slice by really strengthening my grip.0.97
00:10:31.000It was actually, no, you got to hit from the inside to the out.
00:10:40.000If you want to drive fast, keep your tires in contact with the road as much as possible, use the brake to front load the weight.
00:10:47.000Because we were driving Interceptor and Paula's in the course.
00:10:51.000So it's like most of the weight's in the front.
00:10:52.000So you want to apply brakes through the corners.
00:10:55.000People think fast and furious is like the fastest way to drive a car.
00:10:59.000You know, I should say the public consciousness.
00:11:01.000Obviously, anyone who's ever been around a race car driver or watches race cars knows you need the wheels in contact with the road as much as possible.
00:11:08.000You try to draw a straight line through the course.
00:11:44.000Yeah, you have a perception going in that this is like a fast, like when I get really good at this course, I'm going to be, you know, what do they call it like in Fast and the Furious when they're, you know, taking a really tight corner and their back end swings out and the car's squealing.
00:12:19.000But it's been the case for me in life.
00:12:20.000Anytime I learn something at a very high level, like even with archery, like the slower you can pull the trigger on the release, and my instinct would be like slap it.
00:12:35.000But for me, it's the same with long distance shooting.
00:12:37.000Like when I take a long distance shooting course, pull that trigger so you almost can't even anticipate where it's going to fire, at what point it's going to fire.
00:12:47.000Like manipulate the play and pull the trigger as slow as possible.
00:12:51.000And that will be the most accurate shot you're going to take.
00:12:53.000If the shot surprises you nine times out of ten, it's going to be more accurate than a shot that you've anticipated.
00:12:58.000Right, because you're anticipating recoil.
00:14:13.000So, what a Vegas round is, you have three targets and you're shooting at 20 meters and you're shooting, you're trying to hit a dime at 20 meters 30 times.
00:14:26.000And so that's how you get a 300 score.
00:15:21.000And so, I think maybe you can be just as accurate, if not more accurate, using a command shot, but you need to understand how your mind is working and you need to understand how to mitigate pressure and how to stay calm.
00:15:38.000There's strategies that you can use, you can learn techniques, but the reality is when a big moment hits you, you're going to freak out.
00:15:46.000So I think the strategy might be just have a bunch of big moments.
00:15:50.000Have more big moments in your life, more instances in your life where you have to deal with pressure.
00:15:56.000And that kind of tracks with everything else in life.
00:15:59.000The people that have dealt with pressure, that understand pressure and know how to perform, they can kind of do anything.
00:16:06.000You can kind of go from that and be involved in all sorts of other things that involve pressure.
00:16:11.000But if you don't know pressure at all, and then all of a sudden there's a screaming bull elk in front of you at 40 yards, and all you've been shooting at is a target, you're going to panic.
00:16:22.000Especially if you're not a pressure person.
00:16:24.000Now, if you are a pressure person, you're probably still going to freak out the first couple of times, but eventually you'll figure it out.
00:16:31.000Yeah, your road to figuring out will be a lot quicker if you've dealt with pressure in the past.
00:16:52.000And just spending time around those guys, they definitely have a way of because we had an archery competition a couple of years ago, everyone in the company, and he was part of it.
00:17:00.000What's funny is, now, if we were to do this nine times out of 10, this guy wouldn't win.
00:17:05.000But one of my engineers is this killer named Evan Freed.
00:17:09.000And he and Levi were in the final, like 20 guys started this archery competition.
00:17:14.000It was the two of them at the very end, and Evan beat them.
00:19:50.000That's a heuristic, which is something I talk about all the time people come up with a good enough way to do something that works for them.
00:20:33.000It's all about reps with everything in life.
00:20:35.000And it's all about, it's not just reps, it's recent reps.
00:20:38.000You know, it's like having the amount of repetitions, like recently, to the point where it's a normal, natural part of your psychology, the way your mind works.
00:20:48.000I'll do that with whitetail hunting I always make sure I try to kill two or three doe before I really start zeroing in on going for a buck.
00:20:54.000Because if a buck's the first thing I'm looking at, and it's been nine months since I've hunted, or six months, or whatever, since I've hunted, I'll still get it.
00:21:00.000I've been hunting for 25 years, and I'll still freak out.
00:21:04.000Or get the adrenaline drop afterwards.
00:21:07.000I don't usually get the adrenaline drop when it's happening.
00:21:09.000But as soon as that arrow is loosed, then I'm like, I'm just like freaking out.
00:21:14.000Like, I don't even know what happened.
00:21:15.000Well, at least you can keep it together before the arrow is loosed because that's where most people fall apart.
00:21:19.000I mean, I've seen professional hunters, you know, I don't want to call them professional hunters, but people that make their living as hunting influencers.
00:21:26.000And they have these videos and you can watch them on YouTube and they're shaking like a leaf when they're drawing back their bow.
00:21:31.000And they're like, wow, this guy's been hunting for 40 years.
00:21:44.000But it's wired into our, you know, however we evolved, however we established over time, one thing is true is that we were able to stick around and have success because we had these groups of hunters that would go out and hunt for the tribe.
00:22:28.000You know that catching this thing means your body's rewarding you with all these good feelings and good endorphins because now you're going to eat.
00:22:36.000You're going to be able to feed your family.
00:23:04.000That's your body's ability to recognize that it's you with a bunch of other people that are supposedly on your side.
00:23:11.000You're in a life or death situation and you're against another team and you're marching and chanting and screaming and everybody's hyped up.
00:23:20.000And next thing you know, violence breaks off, and everybody gives into that feeling.
00:23:24.000Giving into the kind of behavior that would be almost impossible to imagine if you were by yourself.
00:23:31.000Smashing someone's car window while you're by yourself, walking up to Starbucks with a fucking traffic cone and breaking the window and diving in and throwing things off the shelves.0.99
00:23:39.000You would never do that while you're by yourself.0.99
00:23:41.000Why are you doing it with this giant group of people?
00:24:50.000Well, it wasn't actually the Allegheny, it was east of there, but it's north central Pennsylvania would have been the better way to say it.
00:24:58.000But I just say Allegheny because that's near there.
00:25:00.000It's farther east of there, it's actually a couple hours east of there.
00:25:03.000But anyway, I was hunting up there and There's a buck everyone had known about, and he was old and huge.
00:25:10.000And at one point, he was like 170 inches, and that's pretty big for a public land white tailed buck.
00:26:27.000And then I always say the same thing I used to say in the military when I was shooting, which was to kind of get into my zoning out mode.
00:26:36.000I had this acronym I learned in the military, which was STAB.
00:26:39.000Steady position, trigger squeeze, aiming, and breathing.
00:26:42.000So every time I'm at full draw, I say to myself very silently, I'm just in steady position, slow trigger squeeze, aim, breathe.
00:26:49.000And then I always breathe at the perigee of my breath.
00:26:52.000So I'll take a big breath in, I'll breathe all the way out so there's no air in my body, and then slow pull.
00:26:57.000And when I say that, when I remember to say that to myself, then it's kind of like any panic or anything kind of falls away, and I'm just focused on the task of steady position, trigger squeeze, aiming, breathing.
00:27:07.000But it happened for like 25 minutes afterwards, dude.
00:27:10.000Have you studied any of Joel Turner stuff?
00:27:53.000So the thing about an archery shot is it can kind of get away from you, and that's when you flinch, and that's when you're six inches off the mark at 20 yards, and you don't understand what happened.
00:28:01.000And that's what he teaches people to avoid.
00:28:06.000And he was a SWAT team member, and he would teach people proper techniques in order to.
00:28:12.000I mean, he learned psychology, and he learned what's going on in the mind in order to be able to execute in those situations that are extremely high stress, hostage situations.
00:28:22.000Like you had to shoot somebody that was holding someone hostage.
00:28:26.000He's been in those things and he realizes that that's a life or death situation that can be mitigated by a certain amount of understanding of what's happening in the mind and what causes open loop or closed loop thinking.
00:28:39.000And so, what you're doing is instigating closed loop thinking by talking to yourself the entire time.
00:28:45.000So, by having every moment controlled and every moment calm, and you have a system and you're actually saying that system through your head, that's what keeps you in the present.
00:28:56.000In the moment, instead of just panicking like a lot of people do, we've all seen it.
00:29:21.000I mean, maybe some of the reasons why people, I don't want to say, but I don't know why people have anxiety attacks.
00:29:27.000Some people have anxiety attacks because they start thinking about something and dreading it, and then it builds up in their mind, and then all of a sudden it's just a runaway train inside their brain.
00:29:38.000And they haven't developed personal methods for stopping that and mitigating that kind of stress and recognizing what's happening while it's happening and then talking yourself down off the ledge and just peace of mind, getting yourself to a peaceful place.
00:29:55.000Some people don't have those strategies, so the moment something goes sideways, Especially if they're not used to pressure.
00:30:02.000The moment something goes sideways, it just runs away from them.
00:30:17.000I mean, I talk to Andy almost every day.
00:30:19.000He's become one of my closest friends.
00:30:22.000I should say someone I regularly talk to, and he's good for me because he's kind of the opposite of me in ways.
00:30:30.000Like my wife and I are good for each other in the way that she worries about everything, she's worried right now.
00:30:35.000She's sitting outside worried out of her mind right now about something, probably something she hasn't even talked to me about.
00:30:41.000I almost worry about nothing until it becomes something that's important to me.
00:30:47.000Like, if someone asks me to do some work or something that's particularly important, then I care about, like, okay, this work will represent me.
00:30:54.000I got to do it as diligently as I can.
00:30:57.000My representation reflects on my family.
00:31:00.000So then things, I start caring about things.
00:31:02.000But if I do have a superpower, I would say it was imposed on me in a weird way by my mother.
00:31:07.000My mother was a Alcoholic and would go to AA meetings and drag me along like when I was really young.
00:31:15.000And they would say their serenity prayer at the beginning of every Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, which was God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
00:31:27.000So I'd be standing here and watching these people tell these insane stories.
00:31:41.000And I would say that's one of my superpowers if I can't affect something, I don't worry about it.
00:31:48.000Like, if there's nothing I can do about it, like, I just had a conversation with my daughter about this last night, who's worried about teenager things.
00:31:54.000I was like, look, you know, I've told you the Serenity prayer, you're Alma.
00:31:57.000My mother used to tell you, tell me, like, try to just live by that.
00:32:01.000And that kind of goes to the things we're talking about with shooting let's just focus on the things we control and let's develop a heuristic or a way to get through this closed loop system that you're talking about.
00:32:12.000And for me, it was a heuristic because it was just something the military taught me that worked particularly well.
00:32:16.000I didn't know all the psychology or stuff that you're talking about it there.
00:32:20.000But I would say if I had one superpower, it's my ability to just not care when I can't affect the outcome.
00:32:29.000It's something I adopted from someone else.
00:32:31.000But it served me particularly well in life because whether it was in Iraq or Afghanistan or the Philippines or Africa or anywhere else, I was in a shady situation.
00:32:40.000It's like, okay, this is going horribly.
00:33:35.000Like, we've all seen these guys that get in fist fights online and these videos online, and they don't know how to fight, and yet they talk themselves into this fight.
00:33:45.000It's almost like they want to believe and they want to convince this other person they know how to fight, and then they think they're going to be able to do it, and everyone's watching.
00:33:54.000I'm just going to hit this guy, and it doesn't work out.
00:34:56.000But it's one of those things too where I said this well, I just did Andy's podcast like three weeks ago.
00:35:03.000But it's like essentially, we can, if you don't force, you said, talked about resilience, but if you don't force the harshness of nature upon you, like if you don't adopt it and try to put yourself in situations where things will get hard so you can find out who you are, and you can do this in a multitude of ways, right?
00:35:21.000You can do it with jujitsu, you can go to a jujitsu gym and get your ass handed to you time after time and just understand, like, okay, I'm not the badass I thought I was.
00:35:29.000And there's a whole wealth of things that I can learn for the next 50 years.0.62
00:35:33.000And so you're adopting something or like hunting.
00:35:35.000I have friends that I do, we do fasted hunts together.
00:35:38.000We were going to do this one this year, but Spartan Forge kept me from fasted.
00:35:42.000So what we do is we take a cooler, we pack it with drinks and food and accoutrements like salads and stuff like that.
00:35:50.000And then we get a Yeti and we lock it.0.79
00:35:53.000And then one of the wives has the code for the Yeti.0.87
00:35:56.000And she doesn't give us the code for the Yeti until we kill something.0.51
00:36:00.000So we have to send her a picture of a doe or send a picture of a buck or something like that.
00:36:04.000And so we'll just have salt water and we'll fast for two or three days.
00:36:08.000And then, you know, somebody kills a doe finally.
00:36:10.000Like there's, in the past, when we do it, there'd be five or six of us.
00:36:13.000So someone's going to kill in the first couple of days.
00:36:15.000The shortest time was ever like 36 hours.
00:36:18.000The longest time, I think we went four days.
00:36:48.000And so, we have always killed within, except for one time, we've always killed within three days.
00:36:54.000But the sense of community, and we talked about the wiring that it taps into, like when you're sitting around a fire with like five, six people and nobody's eaten, and now you're texting the photo and you're opening the cooler, and you want to cry almost.
00:38:10.000But the point I was making was if you don't choose something.
00:38:14.000Like, choose to eat well, choose to train, choose to hunt, or choose to do jujitsu, or choose just to get a degree in something really difficult.
00:38:22.000If you don't adopt those things, then, like, nature, reality will judge you, and you're going to get fat and old or have no meaning.
00:38:29.000You're also going to get anxiety or anxiety.
00:39:28.000And most times I donated the money to my church.
00:39:30.000So I just go home and drive trucks for two days, 12 hours a day, beat trucks, where I'm following a loader, putting beats into the back of the truck and driving it there just because I was like, I did three fields this week.
00:40:32.000Very good for people that are outside and actually helps you.
00:40:35.000And because people have less time, they can scout at home or like when they really want to get out into the woods or, you know, September 13th and they fly in two days.
00:40:42.000It's like, or I can go scout this mountain digitally, find out places I want to go and look at and then mark them and then get on the app.
00:40:50.000But I always tell people when we're developing the app too, like there's a bandwidth between the brain, the thumbs, and a phone.
00:40:57.000And the amount of time I'm always trying to maximize that bandwidth.
00:41:01.000So the less time that I have to interact with an app in order to get more information, I've increased bandwidth.
00:41:24.000Like we're just about to implement an awesome thermals feature that we've been building for a long time.
00:41:30.000And we can now accurately map thermals.
00:41:32.000So when you're elk hunting and you see, like, I'm waiting for these thermals to switch because where these elk are at, the sun is hitting the side of this mountain.
00:41:41.000Thermal is arising from the bottom and the wind is coming from the top.
00:41:45.000So there's no way to get to these elk.
00:41:46.000So I need to wait for the thermal switch.
00:41:48.000So, with this update, we're going to put out first on the web.
00:41:59.000Now, I'm going to place this marker here and I want to see how the thermals are acting in the area.
00:42:03.000This is what kills most hunters not understanding how thermals work, especially whitetails and elk hunters.
00:42:09.000They don't know how the thermals work or they don't understand it or they've never gone in the off season like that.0.99
00:42:13.000What we're talking about for people that don't know what the fuck we're talking about.0.98
00:42:16.000When the morning is happening, when it's cold and early in the morning, all the wind is going down the mountain.0.98
00:42:23.000When it gets hot, then all of a sudden the ground heats up and then the wind starts going up the mountain.
00:42:28.000So when these animals are below you as you're coming down the mountain, they're going to smell you immediately because all the smell is coming down.
00:42:36.000So you have to approach them from the bottom.
00:42:38.000And then when they're above you, if it starts getting hot out, you've got to get above them and you've got to get above them quick or they'll blow out.
00:43:03.000He had a deer pen, and there was a mountain that was a three quarter mile away from his property in New York.
00:43:09.000And when those does came into heat, all of the bucks would gather at the base of this fence to smell the wind coming off of this mountain of these does that were three quarter mile away.
00:43:19.000So you think about that, like how well they can smell.
00:43:22.000And so, yeah, we're putting this thermal feature out.
00:43:25.000But the thermal feature, the reason I bring that up is because it's designed to be used at home.
00:43:29.000So you can map the thermals for an area.
00:44:01.000So it modulates differently based on the type of canopy that it's in, whether it's elk on the side of a hill or it's in the open air or it's elk inside of a bunch of hemlocks or not hemlocks, but aspens or something like that.
00:44:13.000It's going to change how those thermals work.
00:44:16.000And I've been using it just the other day.
00:44:19.000I've got these spots with whitetail, it's a little different because the bucks know where these thermals are as bucks get older.
00:46:47.000When I was driving yesterday, I was telling my family, I'm like, I'm watching the leaves change.
00:46:50.000All I can think about is I want to be in those trees right now.
00:46:52.000It's like, it's, it's, there's something about, well, anyway, to finish the point on the thermals, I marked some of, using this model, I marked some of my best whitetail hunting spots in the mountains.
00:47:02.000And then I mapped the thermals and looked at the thermals.
00:47:05.000And it was, it became apparent why deer were using these routes because an old wise whitetail buck knows he's getting thermals from like 320 degrees are funneling into this one spot based on the predominant wind for the area, all these things that the app can tell you.
00:47:20.000And it's like, oh, that's why he's always been in this spot because he knows the whole mountain before he ever steps a foot on it.
00:47:26.000He knows if there's a hot doe on that mountain.
00:47:27.000He knows if there's hunters on that mountain.
00:47:29.000He knows if there's anything on that mountain.
00:47:33.000Like, I can't wait to get this feature out so people can see it.
00:47:36.000But the goal to put a bow on this is to get people out and experiencing it because I think it's a great mechanism for coming of age for young kids.
00:47:47.000Like, hey, you're 14 or 15 or whatever.
00:47:50.000I'm going to treat you like a man from today.0.99
00:47:51.000We're going to go out and kill an animal and eat it together and get a bunch of guys together for men, I think.0.95
00:47:56.000It works for women as well, but I'm saying particularly for young men, we've kind of lost coming of age rights.
00:48:04.000Or we've kind of, like, you know, in Native American tribes you study or Viking or all of these other, they had a time and place where it's like, now you're a man.
00:48:15.000And we kind of spoke about this last time, but it's something that I think we desperately need for young men because, and for adults even who haven't really.
00:48:34.000But I think it leads to a lot of problems that we have in society today, like things my grandpa used to bitch at me about when I was a kid.
00:48:42.000There's a lot of people who are never truly tested and they live their life with this just cloud of uncertainty constantly hanging over them and this lack of understanding of their capabilities.
00:48:56.000And how they can expand those capabilities.
00:48:58.000That's the thing about being tested is that you realize, like, oh, I fell short.0.95
00:49:14.000That's what happened with me when I was young.
00:49:16.000I got into martial arts when I was 15, like, really heavily, and then it became my whole focus, and it changed the whole way I approached life.
00:49:24.000I realized, like, that pressure, And big moments and things that are difficult are good for you.
00:49:33.000I think I talked about this with Andy, but I think it was Plato was not only known for his great thinking, but known for his excessively good wrestling ability.
00:50:30.000So, in the initial one, which is kind of more for pilots and aircraft crew members, they teach you how to survive in the wild, how to evade capture, like if you're being pursued.
00:50:49.000So, you get kind of like a watered down version that a lot of people go to.
00:50:52.000But then, this high risk officer pipeline, or if you're in JSOC and other organizations, they put you through like a real deal Holyfield one.
00:51:01.000The one I went to was like three weeks, and they teach you.
00:51:04.000Picking handcuffs, how to escape from a trunk, how to escape from a house, how to improvise, like make firearms, shotguns, how to dress a squirrel and eat it.
00:51:18.000I think it was actually six weeks, maybe not four weeks, but you do two weeks of training where it's like you just sit in a place and you're picking handcuffs.
00:51:25.000You sit in a place and you're learning how to get out of a trunk.
00:51:27.000You sit in a place and you learn how to conduct polish on what you're wearing.
00:51:31.000So if you're spotted by a policeman and you need to change how you look, How do you polish yourself so you change your appearance?
00:51:38.000So if they've got an APB out for a guy in a gray shirt and black pants, how do you change that quickly?
00:51:44.000Then after they teach you all of that stuff, they throw you into an operational scenario where you're just being pursued by a bunch of people who do this for a living.
00:51:50.000And, you know, my evasion was like, I think like 12 or 13 miles to the Appalachian Mountains and you're sleeping on the ground at night.
00:51:58.000And I actually had a crazy, it's the only thing that ever happened to me.
00:52:37.000Started the operational scenario, you're put in a trunk of a car with a painting outfit on, you're handcuffed, and you're zip tied.
00:52:46.000So, you have to first defeat all of those restraints.
00:52:48.000So, you're learning how to pick the cuffs, you learned how to get out of duct tape or these other things, and then you learn how to pop the trunk from the inside whenever it's not built to be popped from the inside.
00:52:59.000Now, they have all those latches that you can pull and just jump out, but they'll put you in like an older vehicle, and then you have to evade.
00:53:06.000So, now you're running from people who are chasing you, and the local authorities know that you're part of this course, and they're also.
00:53:11.000If they see you, they'll also perceive you.
00:53:14.000So you quickly learn how to change what you're wearing, whether that's going to like a Walmart donation point and reaching in and grabbing clothes.
00:53:22.000Or, you know, at one point in the course, I just put my whole bottom half in a mud puddle.
00:53:27.000So my white outfit now looked like I had black jeans on in the dark.
00:53:31.000So you learn all these like, you know, little things to do.
00:55:07.000So when I was debriefing after the course, I told them, you do a debrief with a doctor who's monitoring everyone.
00:55:14.000Because at one point, you're being slapped around or you're locked in these cages or you're locked in, like, at one point, the government detention part, I'm locked in a cement block, like, you're in a cement room where you can't stand up, you can't sit down.
00:55:26.000It's too thin for you to get on the ground.0.85
00:55:28.000And they're playing this horrible freaking music at the top behind your head.0.92
00:55:32.000It's like violins that make no sense.0.94
00:55:35.000And you're in there for like eight hours.
00:55:37.000And so you really start getting like, have you ever done like a dunk tank or like a tank where it's dark?
00:55:48.000You can't get comfortable because it's only like five and a half feet tall.
00:55:52.000It's too thin for you to lay on the ground.
00:55:53.000They're playing this music in the back of your head.
00:55:55.000And this is after you've been evading, so you've been captured.
00:55:58.000So, you're dehydrated, you haven't eaten.
00:56:00.000And I was like seeing worms everywhere.
00:56:02.000And I was like, I kept telling myself, you're hallucinating.
00:56:05.000Like, I was seeing all these snakes inside of there.1.00
00:56:07.000Like, all this awful shit is happening to you.1.00
00:56:10.000And so I talked to the doc afterwards.1.00
00:56:11.000He was like, oh, no, I've heard this story like 15 times.
00:56:15.000Did he hear the story of people meeting people that weren't there?
00:56:18.000People meeting people that weren't there or having an experience or being in a place because they do have you with a GPS sensor and like a fanny pack so that if you get lost or you get turned up or hit by a car or something like that, they know where you are.
00:56:33.000But they don't use that to chase you, or they're not supposed to.
00:56:36.000And so he's like, Yeah, I debrief guys who thought they were in like different parts of the city, or they were thought they were in a different area altogether, or they get lost and turn around, they're dehydrated.
00:56:46.000It's like when you're not eating for a while, you've got the stress of being chased by people who do this for a living.
00:56:50.000You haven't had any water, no reliable meals, you're stressed out, and you've been running for three or four days.
00:56:55.000Like your mind starts doing things to you.
00:56:58.000So I still to this day don't know if A, that was a dream, B, I elicited those people, or C, they were there and just like the dirt was gone in the morning.
00:57:05.000Guys, you know I'm into ketones and I rock with ketone IQ, but here's something that blew my mind.
00:57:10.000Throughout history, you see all these civilizations talking about fasting and how good it can be for your body and brain.
00:58:28.000But that's my thought about aliens in general.
00:58:31.000Like, I think if they were amongst us, there's no way we would ever know.
00:58:36.000If they have the technology to do the things that we think they're doing, we are woefully inept to try to comprehend or understand what it is they're doing or who they are or what they're doing.
00:58:48.000And there's also so many different models of us to choose from.
00:58:51.000There's so many different versions of us that you could draw from and create a compilation and make an artificial person or an image of a person or just affect someone's visual cortex to the point where they don't see you for what you really look like.
00:59:21.000I mean, we can screw with our own perception all the time, and then people explain it to you, and you're like, holy crap, I didn't even realize that.0.88
00:59:28.000Like the two faces looking together with the vase.
00:59:51.000Yeah, if you think you're in control of your faculties, you rest on a limbic system and a central nervous system that's been around for a long time, and it's very patterned the way that it metabolizes reality, and our ability to mess with that is.
01:00:04.000I wonder what evolutionary advantage, if any, there is in being able to hallucinate when you're tired.
01:00:12.000I think there's probably something to do with.
01:00:15.000Well, I'm not an expert on this, but I know that dreaming is particularly important when it comes to that stage of the sleep cycle, is where you store memories.
01:00:25.000So, one of the things that happens when you're not sleeping for a long time is your memory is one of the first things to go because you need those stages of sleep in order to remember things.
01:00:35.000No, that makes sense because when I'm sleep deprived, my memory sucks.
01:00:43.000It's probably one of the things I believe in most dreams.
01:00:47.000And this is going to sound crazy coming from somebody who makes his living doing engineering, but I do think that the collective subconscious.
01:00:56.000And the individual unconscious, we're resting on millions of years of learned lessons that we can't possibly be born with.
01:01:07.000And so they pop up out of this collective subconscious.
01:01:10.000Like you see a person, you just get the ick.
01:01:12.000You're like, I don't know what I like.
01:01:15.000That lesson's probably happened to your ancestors 10 million times.
01:01:19.000And something is popping out of that substrate that you don't have full access to and is telling you that.
01:01:26.000Because it's a heuristic that has been adopted over a million years of evolution or 300,000 years or whatever you think humans have been around for.
01:01:34.000That story's been told a million times.
01:01:36.000And I think dreams, it doesn't make sense to me.
01:01:38.000And again, I'm not the expert on this, but it's stuff that I think about all the time.
01:01:43.000Actually, I was back in the day, I was trying to impress my now wife, and she's a mathematician.
01:01:50.000And she went to Johns Hopkins, super smart, like just outside of the normal distribution of people.1.00
01:01:57.000Especially, you know, a woman who's really into mathematics is just not normal.1.00
01:03:12.000This was like, you know, when he was just posting stuff on YouTube.
01:03:17.000So I watched this video and my, Goal of watching the video was to get into understanding chaos theory, but what I ended up doing was getting into Carl Jung because I watched one of these first videos.
01:03:27.000So I have a very addictive personality.
01:03:30.000So I started reading every Carl Jung book I could, like everything about the collective unconscious, the red books, everything that he wrote, and really got into dreams.
01:03:43.000And this might be a self fulfilling prophecy, it doesn't matter because it's particularly useful to me, but I'll have dreams where.
01:03:50.000And I used to have a psychologist that I talked to when I was in a kind of a depressive state years ago.
01:03:57.000And I made sure to hire one who was a union.
01:04:00.000So I would document my dreams and say, here's what I had a dream about.
01:04:05.000And it just became astonishing to me that my dreams were trying to tell me things.
01:04:11.000And from an evolutionary standpoint, it made sense to me that your body wouldn't just present you fuzz like a TV screen, dreams would have an evolutionary function where you're able to draw on the lessons of the past.
01:04:24.000And you could call that the collective unconscious.
01:04:26.000You could call that the Holy Spirit of God.
01:04:28.000You could call that transcendent reality.
01:04:44.000And then we watch these dreams manifested in reality through a particularly good book or a particularly good movie.
01:04:51.000And it's tugging on that same string where.
01:04:55.000We're watching something, and people have done this better than me.
01:04:57.000But you're watching something, and you're not understanding what you're watching, but you know that you love it and you want to keep watching it.
01:05:04.000And it's because your unconscious is telling you there's a lesson here for you, and I'm going to make you keep watching this until you understand what the lesson is.
01:05:12.000And the example I always give people is let me tell you a story.
01:05:16.000And the story is about a guy who's innocent, but he's sentenced to death.
01:05:21.000And he had a collection of disciples that followed him around.
01:05:25.000And he taught them beautiful things about the world and the fabric of reality and gave them appreciation for life.
01:05:32.000He died and was reborn or raised from the dead, but also passed through to this world through a woman's womb.
01:05:58.000I'm not saying Stephen King wrote that book to retell the Christ story.
01:06:01.000What I'm saying is that story is a very base story, a story of the complete perfect man who's innocent of a crime, who's tried and killed for that crime, but reborn.
01:06:12.000And that's because in the collective unconscious and in our lives, we need to undergo those same things, like I talked about before.
01:06:18.000You have to force nature and reality onto you and adapt to them and suffer a little death, like even an ego death, like you had a system, the system failed.
01:06:28.000Now it's time for you to recalibrate that system and then be reborn into the world.
01:06:33.000And so I think all of those things are tightly coupled when it comes to dreams, when it comes to media that we consume, stories that hit with us and we don't understand why.
01:06:42.000And great art is art that's made in the Artist doesn't even know the story that he's telling.
01:06:48.000He just has a compulsion to tell this story, and so they write it down.
01:08:12.000He also wrote books like The Shining, Pet Cemetery, and The Tommy Knockers during that era while regularly consuming alcohol, cocaine, Valium, Xanax, marijuana, and even mouthwash.
01:08:45.000Yes, I have, but I don't remember what that term is.
01:08:47.000I have a perplexity describing Salvador Dali's use of it because I found a few people that did it, but I was getting really into dreams too and was having some weird sleep deprived visions, and I found that.
01:08:58.000This is a thing that smart people, I guess, have tapped into.
01:09:21.000And they would write till like six, seven in the morning.
01:09:24.000We would show up to do the table read, and these guys were still awake from the night before.
01:09:28.000So they had written the entire thing.0.98
01:09:30.000Hilarious shit because they were just like it's like they were high, but they weren't high, and they would write these ridiculous, absurd scenarios and really hilarious lines.0.99
01:09:43.000They were purposely doing it under sleep deprivation to induce that state, yeah.0.99
01:09:48.000And that I think is a you know, it's going to sound paradoxical to say it, but that's a heroic action, right?
01:09:54.000Like going into the unconscious, a place where you're either depriving yourself, hurting yourself, but you're you're you're.
01:10:02.000Diving into the mud, the water, and you're pulling out something great.
01:10:07.000Like it goes to what you said about fishing.
01:10:09.000Like Christ said, I'll make you fishers of men.
01:10:11.000And that means I'm going to dive into the water to the abyss.
01:10:13.000I'm going to pull out something of value, and everyone gets to eat and be happy.
01:10:18.000And that's the hero story par excellence people going into unsavory conditions, making sense of an unknowable environment, recalibrating themselves, and then returning.
01:10:29.000That's always the story in the book, right?
01:10:31.000The hero gets defeated in the beginning.
01:10:33.000He has to go through some type of transformational period, which often, like Star Wars, he's in the swamp, or Thor Ragnarok, he goes to this upside down world where he has to fight the Hulk, who's his friend.
01:10:44.000Or any of these movies, they have that.
01:10:46.000And then there's the return of the king where he sets order and makes everything right.
01:10:51.000And dreams, I just, it's one of the most valuable things to me.
01:10:55.000And one of the things that kind of sucks about it is, and Jung talks about this, is once you start to really learn and live, like you try to become a better version of yourself, you'll actually end up dreaming less.
01:11:08.000But when you do dream, the dream will be more dense.
01:11:31.000The better lesson is if you start listening to your dreams and you start orienting yourself based on the feedback that you're getting from the collective unconscious or the word of God or the voice of God, and you start setting your life in order and you start acting like a better person, the need for dreams. Is not as profound.
01:12:07.000But what he's basically saying is the dreams are there to provide you input and corrective measures and to let you know the archetype that you're acting out.
01:12:17.000And then once you start setting yourself in order, a good marker is you're no longer dreaming.
01:12:23.000In other words, you're doing the right thing now, so your dreams don't have to keep giving you this feedback.
01:12:29.000Jamie can pressure test me because I might be wrong, and I don't want to say something wrong on this podcast of all.
01:12:40.000If your waking mind is overly rigid, hyper rational, or arrogant, the dream will supply emotional, vulnerable, or contradictory information.
01:12:53.000Jung saw that a dream was a spontaneous self portrayal in symbolic form and of the actual situation in the unconscious.
01:13:03.000They show you where you truly stand psychologically without the ego's filters.
01:13:09.000Yeah, dreams drive towards wholeness and self realization.
01:13:13.000So, what I got from Jung was the more you start to become more of a whole person and you engage in the self realization.
01:13:19.000The less utility the dreams will have, and therefore you'll have less of them.
01:13:23.000So, in other words, if you're doing well by yourself.
01:13:25.000I understand this, but I don't understand how you'd be able to study this unless it's all completely anecdotal from an individual.
01:13:32.000Because you're one person, and your thought process, especially as a psychologist and a psychoanalyst, is going to be very different than most people.
01:13:40.000It's like to say that it's got to be people that always dream.
01:13:44.000Like there's people that have very vivid, lucid dreams, and they're able to cultivate those.
01:13:50.000And I would also say Jung falls out of the distribution of today what most people engage in as cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT, is not what Jung was doing.
01:13:59.000Like Jung was far more radical, and I wouldn't say the most pre reviewed guy in the world.
01:14:05.000So it just, it, it, and it could be like anything else in life a heuristic that doesn't necessarily the right way.
01:14:11.000And the reason I say that is because heuristic is something that's not the right way to do something, but it works for you.
01:14:15.000It's the right way to do things for you.
01:14:18.000And it just might be a useful heuristic to me, but it certainly, I can think of just, you know, a dream even I had last week where I wrote it down and went back to it the next day.
01:14:28.000Cause I woke up at like four in the morning, I wrote it all down, woke up the next day and looked at it, and it was like smacking me in the face.
01:16:18.000Well, I'm saying, like, you know, if I'm fighting like a blue belt and I try to hit him with a basic jujitsu move, he's going to fuck my world up.0.94
01:16:34.000People get caught in Americanas all the time.
01:16:36.000I don't think you know more of this than I do, but I put him in an Americana and I ended up, not that this is possible, but I ended up compound fracturing his elbow.
01:16:49.000And the woman told me as I was fighting, she's like, Not only does he have to say uncle, you have to accept that he just submitted before it's over.
01:16:59.000So we keep rolling and he tackles me and I get into a guard and I put him in an arm bar and I break his arm with an arm bar, his other arm.
01:17:50.000So, the dream, like I immediately knew just from the self study and reading these things, the train was a framework for the legal system.
01:17:59.000In other words, there are these people that speak terms you don't understand.
01:18:06.000It's got its own direction and inertia and gravity, and you don't control where the train goes, just like you don't control where a courtroom or a judge or the justice system goes.
01:18:17.000You are subject to everything that's happening in that train, and they're going to say and do things that don't make sense to you, and that you're going to need someone else.
01:18:27.000And, like it said up there, a compensatory function for men is usually an anima character.
01:18:34.000An anima relation is, you know, I've heard you talk about this, and what you're describing is anima integration.
01:18:40.000But essentially, men need to first become men.
01:18:44.000And once men become men, then they can start integrating anima.
01:18:47.000And an easy way to say this is a grandfather or a man needs to grow up and become hard.
01:18:56.000He needs to learn how to push himself and test himself and instill these masculine features into him.
01:19:01.000Once he's done that, then he can be the old grandfather that's got like a granddaughter on his lap.
01:19:08.000Or he's emotional with a grandchild, or he's starting to learn really more about his wife, but he first needs to learn himself.
01:19:15.000So he has to harden his masculine features before he integrates anima features.
01:19:22.000But anima features in movies or in books or in all of these things, it's usually a character, like if you watch the movie Wolverine, or not Wolverine, if you watch the Logan movie, he's got a young version of himself who's a woman who has no ability to speak.
01:19:41.000An ability to express herself in the world.
01:19:44.000And as she starts to integrate and get closer to Logan, who's this masculine character, she finally adopts Logos and starts to speak towards the end of the movie and even starts speaking English.
01:19:55.000And because they're the same person, she's a clone of him.
01:19:59.000Jung would say that's the anima part of Logan that he needs to integrate before he can defeat the bad guy in the end of the movie.
01:20:05.000So, this anima character on this train who is a particularly good lawyer or someone who.
01:20:11.000Understands this world that I don't understand.
01:20:14.000And I need to show them something like protecting her from the gunfire before she starts telling me about this world and how it works.
01:20:22.000In other words, I have to use that compensatory relating function in order to understand this train that I'm on that I've got really no control over.
01:20:31.000And that the stakes of this fight were far bigger than I ever thought they were.
01:20:35.000And that the person that I'm fighting, which is not the person I'm fighting in court or not the person that I'm fighting in life, was actually me.
01:20:43.000And There's a part of me that I was experiencing that dream who's not willing to give the fight up.
01:20:48.000He will fight until he's gotten an Americana, until he's got a broken arm, until he's got an ankle lock and he can't walk anymore.
01:20:56.000My dream was warning me about taking this to the end.
01:20:59.000And if you take this to the end, it could be bad or it could be good.
01:21:06.000Yes, and consume millions of dollars and consume everything else.
01:21:10.000And so my dream was readying me and saying, look, you're at a threshold where you have to.
01:21:15.000Where you have to open yourself up to parts and really learn the justice system and really learn these things, or you're not going to be ready for the fight.
01:21:23.000And the fight's not against the other guy, the fight's actually against yourself.
01:21:53.000And this daughter or this clone of him has no logos and he cannot speak.
01:21:56.000And they're moving from south of the border, which is this chaotic desert wasteland, up into North Dakota, actually, in the movie, which is this Garden of Eden type of place.
01:22:07.000And it's this buddy travel story across this place where he has to integrate these parts of himself in order to finally defeat his shadow self, which is a Jungian thing, which is this other wolverine with no ability to speak, who's this animalistic version of himself.
01:22:22.000And only then, in the end of the movie, he's really the story of Moses, but in the end of the movie, he's literally hung on a tree.
01:22:32.000And then only then can this new version of him, this animate integrated version of him, go north into Canada and live freely.
01:22:40.000So it's one of the highest grossing Marvel movies of all time.
01:22:45.000I think it made over a billion dollars, but it's telling a very old story.
01:22:50.000And that old story that it's telling is an ascent of a mountain like Moses to go up and get the new law, but it's also an ascent of the mountain that will ultimately lead to your crucifixion, but it will save everyone else that you love.0.98
01:23:01.000It's like the Jews in the wasteland.0.61
01:23:05.000It's this death and rebirth story that it speaks to a very deep level in people.0.92
01:23:10.000And even as engineering minded as I am and as scientifically minded as I am, I can't dispense with something when it's as useful as it is.
01:23:21.000There's just something there that keeps scratching at me and I can't let it go.
01:23:25.000And it's part of my addictive personality.
01:23:27.000Like I said, I've consumed like Eric Neumann and Carl Jung and Freud and Adler and all of these great authors who wrote about all of this, the perseverance of the human soul.
01:23:38.000Under extraordinary circumstances, you can't dispatch with these things because it got these people to where we are today, and there seems to be some truth there.
01:23:47.000Well, it's undefinable and it's very strange.
01:23:49.000Whatever the dream state is, there's something going on there that's very odd.
01:24:46.000And it also, I won't tell the story because we've already done this once, but it also led me to an updating of my system and an understanding of who I am.
01:26:08.000Like, I also know I would never do like a cocaine or I would never do like some of these other drugs because I'm really already highly strung and I'm really hyper focused on things.
01:26:26.000I do nicotine because it helps me think.
01:26:28.000It's the only thing that can make me focus.
01:26:29.000Like when I don't do too many a day, but when I do them, it's usually when I'm trying to think about a problem or like zero in on something.
01:26:36.000Whereas other people, it makes them feel like giddy or high or whatever.
01:26:40.000I get no feeling from this other than like it just.
01:29:04.000I don't know what the plan is, but this stuff has become very popular.
01:29:09.000And I've heard horror stories of people going to, like, you know, a quote unquote health food store, like a juice shop, and they have these little live free drinks.
01:29:19.000And they go, Oh, this must be healthy.
01:31:04.000I was like, dude, you're high as fuck.1.00
01:31:06.000If you're taking 10 of these, like, you're not sober.1.00
01:31:10.000And, you know, I think there's a bunch of people that have had problems with opiates that don't recognize that this takes them down that same road.
01:31:18.000And then I know a lot of people that are heavily addicted to Kratom and can't get off of it.
01:33:02.000And so she either stored up her meth.0.96
01:33:05.000Like, didn't do it one week and kept it and faked it or got some from someone else but did like a critical amount of meth and killed herself at the facility.
01:33:15.000And, and, um, they would give you meth?
01:33:20.000Jamie, you can look this up, but there's a term for it and I don't remember what it was because I asked the same question because her brother or my brother, ex brother in law, her husband, Rick, told me and I was like, why are they giving it to people?
01:33:32.000And he's like, well, they wanted them doing it like in a clean, safe environment instead of like out on the streets.0.99
01:33:38.000And I'm like, how about we just get them off of that shit?1.00
01:33:40.000Like, can we all agree that's bad?1.00
01:34:26.000Dude, a lot of people have a problem with addiction, whether they believe it or not.
01:34:31.000You know, I think addiction is a normal part of human behavior.
01:34:35.000And I think there's probably an evolutionary aspect to that.
01:34:40.000I think addiction is what allows people to get very focused on certain things.
01:34:48.000Like to become a good hunter, what do you have to do?
01:34:50.000Well, you have to be very addicted to the idea of hunting.
01:34:54.000And I think that same sort of pathway can be very destructive.
01:35:00.000And it can be very destructive, like you can get addicted to gambling, which I've seen a lot of people get addicted to gambling, or you can get addicted to drugs and alcohol.
01:35:09.000There's this guy that I knew that was a world class pool player, like one of the best in the world.
01:35:14.000And he hurt his back in a car accident and then became addicted to pills.
01:35:18.000And my friend Tommy said this best.1.00
01:35:19.000He said the same thing that made him great at pool made him addicted to those fucking pills.0.99
01:35:29.000And he died of a drug overdose, young.
01:35:31.000And this was a guy that never drank, never smoked, was clean and sober, and his number one focus was just being the best pool player in the world.
01:35:40.000And I think that thing that we all have, especially some people have in spades, I have it.
01:37:32.000Whereas something that you've been doing for a long, long time, it becomes more of like fine tuning.
01:37:40.000And these slow incremental improvements rather than understanding there's this like enormous sea of information that you don't have access to yet.
01:39:05.000And then I have to do it again until I'm locked in.
01:39:08.000And if I had to shoot an animal like that, like if I had a very difficult shot on an elk at like 70 yards and I hadn't shot a bow in two months, I would not take it.
01:39:38.000And I think because of that, because it's such an engrossing and involving process, the process of archery in particular and then bow hunting at the extreme level of it.
01:39:51.000I think there's two different extreme levels of archery.
01:39:53.000There's target archery, which I think is extreme mentally, but it's still a stable, static shot, a static target, versus bow hunting, which is non static, moving, enormous animals and all their senses and all the different things that are involved wind, all the factors, elevation, changes.
01:40:48.000This guy kills two or three big bucks every year.
01:40:51.000And you would think, This guy must have like a system, and he's just like, This feels like a place where they're deer.
01:40:58.000I'm like, Well, John, what are you talking about right now?
01:41:00.000He's like, I don't know, Bill, but like, just the way this place looks to me, what's pattern recognition, too, right?
01:41:06.000Yeah, but he's pulling it from a place where he can't sight to you what's going on, right?
01:41:11.000Whereas when I walk into a spot, I'm like, Well, I've got three intersecting trails that come here, there's you know, dough bedding over here, I've got two scrapes here, the thermals come up at 8 30, so I want to be, I want to wait for the thermal switch before I get into my stand, otherwise, my scent is going to paint this side of the mountain.
01:41:38.000So, in striking, one of the things that I find interesting is some people who are great strikers, and by strikers, I'm talking about martial arts.
01:41:46.000Some people have a system, and they're really good at showing their system and teaching their system.
01:41:53.000And other people can't quite tell you what they're doing.
01:42:40.000Like, you would learn the basics, but then it would get into, All right, now that you've got him in this position, you can stab him.
01:42:45.000Or now that you're in this position, you can break contact.
01:42:47.000Or like, so there was a combat nexus to it that wasn't strictly jujitsu, there was more to it.
01:42:54.000And, but like talking to him and then just like messing around or seeing like how he applies pressure or what he's doing or how he's a great wrestler and how he integrates these other things, it's just when you deal with these people, or like with Gordon, it's like you're at a level that's just, I couldn't ever get there even if I hoped to.
01:43:14.000And even if you could explain to me what's like, in other words, Gordon could pin me in a position and say, here's what you got to do.
01:43:24.000And so they're just at such a level that even if they are able to articulate it to you, you're still not getting there because you don't have everything that it takes to bridge the gap from here to there.
01:43:51.000And then there's things that you just learn from over the course of training.
01:43:56.000There's the flow of it all that you learn from it.
01:43:59.000But Gordon is like a great example of someone who's an amazing teacher as well as an amazing jujitsu competitor because a big part of his income comes from his instructionals, selling instructionals, because they're so good.
01:45:17.000It's not like he's trying to be eccentric.
01:45:19.000It's like he's either this or he's a bad guy in a Bond movie.
01:45:22.000Okay, so his sixth degree black belt arrived in the United States in 91 to study at Columbia University's philosophy PhD program.
01:45:29.000After arriving in New York, Donahue was introduced to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, continued training at the academy, became teaching classes as well while Henso Gracie was traveling for competition.
01:45:41.000So did he finish his education and did he start teaching?
01:47:51.000I mean, Kaizen as applied to mixed martial arts as a whole, like if you looked at mixed martial arts as a whole, all of these individuals that are competing in it and all these individuals that are pursuing it and teaching it and studying it.
01:48:06.000They're taking this thing that used to be this chaotic thing where there were certain strategies that people had.
01:48:15.000One guy was a brawler, the other guy was a grappler, get you down on the ground, punch you in the face a bunch of times.
01:48:20.000And then they're expanding the possibilities to this insane level where you're seeing people now that are on the Dana White contender series that would be absolute world champions in 1994.
01:48:35.000And these guys haven't even entered the UFC yet.
01:48:38.000Because the level of the game, this constant pursuit of excellence, and then this competition, this boiling pot of competition where you have I mean, how many MMA athletes are there worldwide now?
01:48:52.000It's got to be in the hundreds of thousands of elite MMA athletes.
01:48:56.000When I say elite, I mean like guys who can fight professionally.
01:49:00.000I would say they might not all be fighting professionally yet, but they're at that level.
01:49:05.000When you introduce amateurs and you think about how many thousands and thousands and thousands of gyms there are, and out of those gyms, how many people have like people that are at a very high level.0.99
01:51:49.000By the way, GSP is not even a big welterweight.
01:51:52.000You know, GSP, when you look at welterweights today, GSP is the size of a large middleweight, or excuse me, a large lightweight today, a large 155 pounder today.
01:52:01.000I think he walks around like 160 right now or something like that.
01:54:26.000So you're grappling with all their strength, using technique and leverage, and then you have to hoist their body up in the air and slam them to the ground.
01:54:35.000And you can only do that so many times, which is one of the reasons why Mirab is so fucking extraordinary the fact that that guy can do that full blast for five rounds.
01:54:59.000Like, you know, Umar Nurmaghmanov, like when he fought him, like he almost couldn't believe this guy was still doing this, like deep into the fifth round.
01:55:08.000Like it was just so crazy, his work output.
01:55:28.000And it's because he just chose to stand because he had to realize, okay, I burned so much energy in the first couple rounds going after this guy, taking him down, smashing him.
01:56:14.000I think he was on your podcast, wasn't he?
01:56:16.000Saying he was just gonna decimate Gaichi, yeah.
01:56:19.000And uh, that it was he thought it was gonna be easy, and I said, Man, I don't know how you could think it.
01:56:25.000A lot of people were saying to me, like, when I was saying Justin has a huge chance, and they would go, Oh, you're hyping this fight up, I know what you do.
01:58:55.000So at the White House fight, I called Tyler that night, that day of, and I said, dude, I'm just going to put all of this money back on Justin again.
01:59:02.000And he's like, I already took my money out.
02:00:05.000There were guys that would play gin or they'd play poker.
02:00:08.000There was like a whole elevated level where it was like seating and stuff where it was like above the pool tables where guys would hang out and have card games.
02:00:16.000And then they would gamble on pool games.
02:01:35.000Yeah, it's not called pool, it's called pocket billiards.
02:01:38.000So, the original billiards game, well, there's a game that is also still played in a lot of Latin American countries.
02:01:45.000South Korea, they're really big on it, and it's called Three Cushion Billiards.
02:01:49.000And Three Cushion Billiards is a game that you play on a table that doesn't have any pockets.
02:01:53.000And what it is, is you have three balls, and the key is understanding geometry and force and spin and how it affects the rails.
02:02:04.000So the rails are all these rubber rails, and in Three Cushion Billiards, you contact one ball, and then you have to go three cushions, contact the second ball, and then the original ball.
02:03:01.000And so in New York City at the turn of the century, the turn of the 20th century, I think there was some insane number of pool halls just in New York City.
02:03:14.000And it was a lot of these guys, especially in the 1940s and guys coming home from the war, they didn't have families and it was a bachelor culture.
02:03:23.000And these guys, they didn't want to be a part of society anymore.0.77
02:03:26.000They just wanted to, you know, unplug and be a part of this world of men where men got together and they gambled and they smoked and they talked shit and they engaged in a lot of vice, you know.0.98
02:03:40.000And that was also when I was exposed to drugs, like a lot of drugs.0.69
02:04:59.000So you couldn't fit two balls in them, and they were very gaffy, meaning like the way the angles were cut, like it was like the way it was made was kind of haphazard.
02:05:10.000The way they wedged these things in there to make the pockets tighter.
02:07:51.000Maybe it was something simple like cocaine, but he would take the drugs before a hockey match because it made the world look slower and it made him a better goaltender.
02:08:01.000And he said it was like the puck became like catching a beach ball or something like that.
02:08:20.000Rumors and reports circulated about cocaine use involving several members of the Powerhouse Edmonton Oilers dynasty, including a well known 1986 Sports Illustrated report, though Feuer was the most high profile player to face official league discipline regarding, well, probably because he admitted it.
02:08:37.000I mean, I remember hearing him say, like, Yeah, 1990, he admitted it publicly.
02:08:41.000Yeah, and I was a child then, so I'd have been eight at that time.
02:08:44.000But I was living in Canada where everything was hockey.
02:08:47.000Like, you were not, it was hockey night in Canada, it was Molson, Labatt, Blue, and the whole, like, when I moved there, I was in second grade.
02:10:18.000And that, when he's in his conscious state, like when he's joking around and talking to people and laughing and having fun with his teammates, then he's conscious and he's thinking.
02:11:05.000The problem with me is that I have a lot of fun playing, but when I start having too much fun, it makes me into an unconscious goalie to a conscious goalie.
02:11:17.000And my conscious brain is really bad at playing goalie.
02:11:20.000So I have to let my unconscious brain do the work because it reacts a lot quicker.
02:11:24.000When I'm having too much fun and I'm smiling and I'm talking to everybody and I'm hanging out, what happens is that shifts me into more conscious brain goalie.
02:11:31.000And then I can't react in time and then I'm slow, I'm behind the play, and then I give up seven goals, you know?
02:11:45.000And that's what you work in practice for, you know?
02:11:47.000Well, you felt nothing during the game, but I wonder what you felt like after.
02:11:50.000When you're doing the three stars and you hear the crowd, and when the buzzer went, that's when I was like, okay, now you can let it all go.
02:11:56.000So you get a huge rush of like dopamine and serotonin and adrenaline and just like goosebumps.
02:12:44.000The only other place that I ever experienced that was in the military.
02:12:48.000Like we would plan for six months for an operation and do all this intelligence gathering going into an operation where blood and treasure is on the line.
02:13:01.000When I was collecting intelligence, those were always the stakes that I kept foremost in my mind collect this like blood and treasure is on the line.0.84
02:13:08.000Like our country's money and the taxpayer that has to labor every day to pay these fucking taxes and the blood of the people, your brothers that you love, are the ones that are going into this.
02:13:22.000Cause I was, like I said before, I'm not the long tabber.0.96
02:13:27.000So I treated it like it was like the outcome of the entire operation depended on me, is always what went to my brain.
02:13:34.000That was the only way that I went into this.
02:13:36.000And if I wasn't totally locked in, but when I would be on a hill or in a helicopter or in a Humvee watching an operation go down based off of my intelligence work, I would get into that same flow state I get with bow hunting.
02:13:48.000Bow hunting, when I was retiring from the military, I was so stressed out because I had no idea what I was going to do that was going to replicate this experience.
02:13:57.000I was like, where am I going to get this flow state from?
02:14:00.000And it dawned on me while I was in the military that helping hunters in the same way solve targeting problems as helping.
02:14:07.000You know, JSOC guys or Rangers or Green Army guys, that sense of completion that I would get at the end, like when bad guys were dead or arrested or, you know, a terrorist operation was sunk based off of all that work was just like the most addictive feeling in the world.
02:15:02.000So the idea is that you start from ignorance, and we're all aware of a lack of knowledge of skill exists, and then you go into conscious incompetence.
02:15:12.000We're aware that a lack of knowledge and a skill exists.
02:16:21.000Just the thing as I get better at anything, whether it's building apps, military operations, my limited time in doing things like jujitsu, like I just rejoined or was trying, attempting to rejoin a gym, but I'm going to find a different one.
02:16:37.000Just knowing there's a thing in life like when you get really good at something, you actually start to learn how much you don't know.
02:16:59.000Dennis McKenna had a great expression about this.0.96
02:17:03.000He said, and I'm going to fuck this up, but it's essentially, I'm paraphrasing it, that as you expand the bonfire of knowledge, it highlights the surface area of ignorance.
02:17:21.000And that the more you learn and the more it expands this understanding that you have of the world you live in, the more it highlights how much you don't know.0.98
02:17:30.000And that's why people that pretend they know it all are so fucking dangerous.
02:17:34.000As the bonfire of knowledge grows brighter, the more the darkness is revealed to our startled eyes.0.97
02:17:58.000Yeah, it's like the yin yang thing like have one foot in the competence of what you learned and then another foot in the unconscious.
02:18:06.000Incompetence of what you don't know or what you know you don't know.
02:18:10.000And it's like one of those things, too, is like as you begin to learn these things, you realize I almost become ashamed when I see how great I can be in certain ways.
02:18:20.000One of the things my grandmother taught me all of these pearls of wisdom that I come back to now because there was a significant amount of time where I was being raised by my grandparents.
02:18:28.000My grandmother used to say, be good for goodness' sake.
02:18:32.000And as a kid, I was always like, whatever, grandma.
02:18:45.000And I threw that away, but she, like, put a seed.
02:18:48.000I think Andy said, I put that can of food in the pantry of my mind to come back to it later.
02:18:55.000Because now in my adulthood, it's like, I'm always trying to, you know, be good, but also for no reward in itself.
02:19:04.000Like, one of the things, a funny story I always tell is when my wife and kids, when I go to poison my children at McDonald's every once in a while, I always pay for the vehicle behind me.
02:19:14.000So we'll go through and we have this thing, and my kids are always looking at the vehicle behind me because I always tell the person at McDonald's, I'm paying for the person behind me.
02:19:22.000I do this in other places in my life much more meaningfully, but this is a good example.
02:19:26.000And this one time, the lady's like, Are you sure you want to pay for the people behind you?
02:19:30.000And my wife looks at me and she's like, What's the problem?
02:19:34.000And she's like, It's going to be like $170 or something.
02:19:37.000And I was like, Well, it's not a principle if I don't do it right now, so I'm going to pay for them.
02:19:42.000And then, as we're pulling away, there's a big group of a bunch of kids just going nuts that their food was paid for.
02:19:48.000But I would often engage in those types of things because it made me feel good.
02:19:53.000And that's probably the wrong reason to be gracious.
02:20:15.000And my hope is that they'll walk around saying they're angels in the world or good people in the world that do, like, I'll never know who this person is.
02:20:22.000So now I try to do big, meaningful things in that way.
02:20:24.000But that was the pearl that my grandmother dropped me be good for goodness sakes.
02:20:28.000Like, I'm just being good for goodness sakes.
02:20:29.000I'm not doing it because it's going to inflate my ego.
02:20:31.000I'm not doing it because I'm going to go tell people what I've done.
02:20:35.000Like, I'll never tell people these things.
02:20:36.000I only use the McDonald's analogy because it's an easy one that's not like I'm not this benevolent guy.
02:20:41.000But trying to do it in that way, it's just, you know, these old ways of doing things and these old sayings that people have.
02:20:47.000Start to come full circle, then you realize there's a ton of freaking profundity in these things that we can leverage and try to make ourselves better people by doing it.
02:20:56.000Yeah, it's interesting that idea that there's knowledge that's in us that we don't know and that we've been given, whether I guess it's through genetics or lack of a better term or through whatever, soul transmission.
02:21:15.000But you know, if you're aware that there's a young Chinese kid who did an experiment with moths and he ran this experiment with moths in the caterpillar stage.
02:21:30.000And he found out that through the transformation from a moth to a caterpillar, you know, they essentially become like mush and then reemerge as a caterpillar once they go into the cocoon.
02:21:40.000Like, this is like very intense metabolic transformation where their body is like broken down to this mush and then becomes a butterfly or a moth.
02:21:52.000That this knowledge is transmitted through that process.
02:21:57.000And not just that, but it's also transmitted to their offspring somehow or another.
02:22:18.000They used a scent, and the scent, um, when they encountered the scent, they developed this like they had something where there was like a vibration, and when they encountered the scent, there was an uncomfortable vibration they experienced, so they avoided that scent.
02:22:34.000And he could prove that the moths had gone from the caterpillar stage and the moths still retained that memory, and then also it had been transmitted to their offspring.
02:22:46.000I believe B.F. Skinner also did this with rats.
02:23:07.000So, this is one of the things they've shown is that if you teach rats on the East Coast how to navigate a maze, rats on the West Coast can navigate that maze quicker.
02:23:20.000Very weird stuff because I think we're very, we have this narrow minded perception of what knowledge is and what information is and where it is and where it's coming from.
02:23:32.000It's like that thing that you said when you see someone, you get the ick.
02:23:42.000Maybe there's like a sense that we have that's undefined, yeah, that you can't put a ruler to or you can't put on a scale.
02:23:49.000But there's something there that we're not totally aware of that allows us to stay safe and has been inside of us forever.
02:23:57.000I think it's like a framing problem because, like, the Greeks would say the spirit of war, and I don't think they meant like a flying demon or something, or like you know.
02:24:09.000They didn't mean that there's this god of war and he's a physical entity.
02:24:13.000I think they mean this is a persistent thing across all classes of humans that no matter who they are, this is inside of them.
02:24:56.000I watched your interview with JD Vance, and you guys were talking about the difference between, like, what he conceptualizes as a demon and what you conceptualize as an alien.
02:25:05.000And I just think that was a mismatch impedance.
02:25:08.000I think you guys could be talking about the same thing, but you're using a regionally accepted formal lexicon to describe it, but you could be saying the same thing.
02:25:39.000But it blew my mind that people were talking shit that you had him on.0.99
02:25:43.000It's like, why wouldn't you want the vice president on?0.99
02:25:45.000Like, there are a bunch of comments like, oh, so and so's here, big freaking deal, blah, blah, blah.0.99
02:25:49.000It's like, look, we're in a hot war and there's a lot of shit going on in the world.0.92
02:25:53.000And even if Joe's been told he can't ask about certain things, like you talked about with Kamala.0.98
02:25:58.000I still want the guy talking for three hours.
02:26:00.000I didn't get any requests from him about not talking for three hours.
02:26:03.000I'm just saying, even if that happened, I still want those people talking for three hours because you can't sit for three hours and talk and not reveal yourself.
02:26:11.000Like, I, I, me thinks Doth protests too much.
02:26:14.000Like, you will talk about the things that are going on, even if you don't want to, just get the person talking.
02:26:20.000And that's what I think is the beauty of this podcast for a myriad reasons.
02:26:24.000One of them is everyone can come on here and just talk, and people will reveal themselves in those three hours.
02:26:30.000You will get, To the nexus of who someone is over that three hours.
02:26:35.000And that's why I want Bernie on here, or I want JD on here, or I want Trump on here, Kamala.
02:26:40.000And when someone won't come on to the biggest podcast in the world who's running for high office, then we should dispatch with that person.
02:26:48.000And it wouldn't matter if it was this podcast or another one.
02:26:51.000The biggest, if you can't sit there and talk about your principles and your organizing criteria of how you metabolize the world and why you think you're the one who's fit to change it, if you can't talk, Extemporaneously about that, I don't want you in high office because you're not revealing yourself.
02:27:14.000You probably have this thing that you're promoting, this image that you're pursuing and that you're trying to get the general public to accept that's not totally real.
02:27:54.000But there are certain times, like the Trump interview was a good one, where you never got a chance to see that guy talk that way in really a non combative situation because almost all media that he did is either.
02:28:37.000And I was like, okay, please elucidate me on what's going on right now because I'm not getting it.
02:28:43.000But because I was for him in the beginning, and then when everything started going topsy-turvy and I wasn't able to rationally predict what the next step was going to be, now I'm the bad guy.
02:28:54.000It's like, look, I just wanted these five things and I'm not getting them.
02:32:03.000Like, I've pulled the string on the bot stuff, looking at how they get funded, where they ran out of the people that are behind them, why they do them, how they do them.
02:32:11.000And it's such a real thing to a degree that people just don't understand how they're being manipulated by these things.
02:32:22.000And it's funded in ways that I think would surprise people.
02:32:28.000And thank God for things like data leaks and things like it, where we can get to this information, or just the fact that there's campaign finance laws and that money has to be routed and accounted for and these types of things so that people can pull the string on it and understand how things are being manipulated in the public.
02:32:47.000I am all for people being able to express their opinions, but it should be an individual's opinions or the opinions of an individual that represents an organization.
02:32:56.000If you're a spokesperson for an organization, you want to tweet something.
02:33:01.000But I think that organized campaigns where, you know, let's say in particular, like there's some sort of big social issue, some thing that's going on in the world or something that involves our civilization, our culture, and then you have either a foreign country or you have an intelligence agency or you have a corporation that's funding this propaganda narrative, this fake viewpoint, and making it look like people are in lockstep with this.
02:33:30.000And then you've got a lot of people that, if that Whatever that narrative is, is attached to the ideology they identify with, whether it's left wing or right wing, then those people will start parroting those points.
02:33:42.000You see this like sheep like behavior with people.
02:33:52.000I think you should have to be a person, post for yourself.
02:33:56.000Even if you post, even if you're not named, you should have to authenticate some way if you're going to enter the zeitgeist of public, any of these types of things.
02:34:06.000I mean, the other thing about Facebook and social media and these other things that people don't realize is they can feed you the narrative and put it on the vector that helps you metabolize it in the best way.
02:34:16.000In other words, if a public person is running for office and you might only agree with 10% of what this public person thinks, there are ways to manipulate the algorithm so you're only fed that 10%.
02:34:27.000So you only understand that you're only getting what you agree with with this particular politician, and there might be 10 other things you don't agree with that you're not going to see unless you pull the thread yourself.
02:34:37.000And unfortunately, Just a lot of people don't pull the thread themselves because they're busy, they have to make money, they have families.
02:34:42.000And so they're only getting one side of the story.
02:34:45.000And then it's being monetized, which is also really gross.
02:37:23.000I mean, it's so funny when I have days where I do nothing on purpose, where I just, I'm burnt out, I've done too much, and I just like to veg date.0.60
02:37:31.000I just like to hang out in front of the TV and watch cool shit.0.93
02:39:52.000And so I have a theory about AI when it comes to what you just talked about.
02:39:56.000So I think we're in agreement in at least one thing.
02:40:00.000And I think what's going to happen is if you look at like the number one movie in 2020 or 2019 was like Avengers Endgame or Avengers Infinity War, those two movies.
02:40:14.000Everything's getting done in front of a green screen.
02:40:17.000And it made, you know, $2 billion or over a billion.
02:40:20.000I don't remember exactly what the number was.
02:40:22.000And then you look at this last year, and the biggest movie per dollar spent was Obsession, which was made by a YouTube creator who was doing stuff out of his basement a few years earlier.
02:40:32.000So I think to your point about people wanting genuine human interaction, my theory as it pertains to AI is AI will become ubiquitous in certain ways.
02:40:44.000It will eventually, fortunately or unfortunately, run massive parts of the economy.
02:41:05.000Well, I'm saying, with a prompt, they'll make a two hour movie and it'll just be the Avengers movie and it will look indistinguishable from another movie.
02:41:16.000And then people, I think things like regional theater houses.
02:41:20.000My wife and I's favorite thing to do is go to the Nutcracker at Christmas time in D.C. at the National Theater.
02:41:28.000Those things will start springing up and they'll be easier to spring up because to start a business, to start an LLC, if you have a novel idea, you're looking at $30,000 to $100,000 of negotiating red tape in government in order to start a business.
02:41:43.000And I think in a few years, we're going to see theaters.
02:41:45.000I think we're going to see, I agree with Elon in that prices are going to get way cheaper to make something production scale wise.
02:41:53.000Amazon's going to be, you'll be able to buy a coffee table for a dollar, $2, $3.
02:41:58.000I think there will be a large deflationary effect.
02:42:01.000Where products are going to get cheaper and the quality of life will go up because more people will be able to buy cheaper things.
02:42:06.000And if you're living on $10,000 a year, you're going to be able to live really well in the coming years because of AI.
02:42:13.000But because people will be able to set up businesses easier, like craft tables, handmade things, people setting up businesses, it will allow a rejuvenation of creative endeavors.
02:42:26.000And people with money or people who are making money in the middle income and above, middle class income and above, will yearn for handmade things.
02:42:33.000And because it's so easy to start these businesses, we're going to.
02:42:36.000It's the same thing with people who have money now.
02:42:39.000All of my friends who have money now have classic cars.
02:42:42.000A lot of them have lots of classic cars.
02:42:43.000They have handmade things, handmade furniture, all of these things.
02:42:47.000I think the market is going to get flooded because people are going to be so sick of highly stylized AI making everything look awesome.
02:42:54.000I think it's much more likely that in 10 years, if you and your wife and myself and my wife are going to go out, we're going to go to a regional theater house and watch Hamlet or some play or something like that.
02:43:04.000Yes, that will start with people with more money.
02:43:06.000But as more theater houses pop up and more creative endeavors, I think people are going to be able to get creatively back into things.
02:43:12.000And AI, in my estimation, will exist as like a utility in your house.
02:43:17.000They're trying to not do that in ways that we've talked about, but a good output for AI is it becomes a water heater in your house.
02:43:26.000You have your own personal GPU that you do your own training or your own things on, or it does your bills for you.
02:43:31.000It takes care of the doldrums of life and it can do all of these things for you.
02:43:35.000It's ran locally, it's not something that you go to OpenAI for or you go to.
02:43:40.000A large company, name your large AI company.
02:43:44.000A good output from AI would be we have these open weighted systems that are available to everyone.
02:43:50.000You buy your GPUs, it goes in your basement, your data never leaves your home.
02:43:55.000You're not out training some other company's AI.
02:43:58.000It all gets done regionally and it handles your bills for you, it does your bank account, it does all of these things.
02:44:02.000It's a very rose colored glasses view.
02:45:54.000Um, uh, Azio Camo is another one, and my buddy Joe, um, is runs Azio Camo.
02:46:00.000These companies are sponsoring us to produce these films, and we're gonna do a coffee table book with it.
02:46:05.000But we're trying to get into reminding people why we hunt and why we're out here doing these crazy things.
02:46:11.000It's not about bloodlust or killing, it's about the joy of having a backstrap with your kids at the table.
02:46:17.000Like, you know, up until we run out of deer meat, most of my kids have died as deer meat, and it's about that coming of age and getting back to our roots and engaging that circuitry that we talked about before.
02:46:28.000And as paradoxical as it sounds, I'm hoping to help people do that through an application.
02:46:32.000But yeah, we're producing a lot of stuff.
02:46:34.000And it's also just reminding hunters why we hunt.
02:46:37.000It's not just about the big racks and the bloodlust, it's about food and tribe and shared heritage.