The Joe Rogan Experience - October 22, 2026


JRE MMA Show #187 with Robert Whittaker

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Joe Rogan Experience #2569 - Bill Thompson

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2 hours and 48 minutes

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31,967

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00:00:01.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:10.000 All right.
00:00:13.000 What's up, Robert?
00:00:14.000 Good to see you, brother.
00:00:15.000 What's happening?
00:00:15.000 Thank you so much for having me.
00:00:17.000 And I want to thank you for last night.
00:00:19.000 Oh, my pleasure.
00:00:20.000 Glad you had a good time.
00:00:21.000 Seeing the show was just unbelievable.
00:00:23.000 It was my first time at a comedy club.
00:00:24.000 Ever?
00:00:25.000 Ever.
00:00:25.000 Oh, wow.
00:00:26.000 And yeah, it blew my mind.
00:00:28.000 There's some good comedy clubs in Australia.
00:00:30.000 In Sydney, they have the Comics Lounge.
00:00:32.000 That's a great spot.
00:00:33.000 Yeah, no, I've heard of them.
00:00:34.000 I just never found the time to.
00:00:36.000 Yeah, oh, I get it.
00:00:37.000 Try and juggle it.
00:00:37.000 I don't know how the fuck you guys have time for anything.
00:00:40.000 You know, and you have a bunch of kids, married, like an actual life outside of fighting.
00:00:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:00:46.000 Like, I don't know how you have any time.
00:00:48.000 That's kind of the balancing act, isn't it?
00:00:50.000 That's why you see, that's why I have nothing but respect with the guys that hang in there and fight for any long amount of years, is because life goes on around it.
00:01:01.000 And from when I started, like 20, I had no kids to when I'm now married with six kids and.
00:01:06.000 Mortgages and their life, you know, you kind of juggle it around, just balancing act.
00:01:11.000 What a big shift!
00:01:13.000 20 single wild man just out there fighting, and now here you are, six kids, mortgage businesses.
00:01:21.000 Like, you got this supplement thing you're doing now with Musashi, you got your own supplement line.
00:01:26.000 So, it's a lot of work, man.
00:01:28.000 It's a lot, a lot of activity, a lot of things going on, a lot of balls juggling.
00:01:32.000 Yeah, you gotta stay busy, though, right?
00:01:35.000 It's like idle hands, especially, yeah.
00:01:39.000 And you'd get it's like when, I guess, like with performance sports and like the guillotine's kind of always over your head, right?
00:01:47.000 So you've kind of always got to stay busy, keep moving like a shark, otherwise you just kind of drown.
00:01:52.000 For sure, especially in combat sports, especially when you consider the fact that even in the outlier end, you only have a certain amount of time.
00:02:01.000 Like, the true outliers in the sport, I think one of the true outliers in the sport right now is Jared Cannonier.
00:02:08.000 One of the outliers because that dude is how old is he now?
00:02:12.000 41, 42, somewhere.
00:02:15.000 How old is Jared Cannonier, young Jamie?
00:02:20.000 42.
00:02:21.000 Yeah.
00:02:21.000 Still shredded.
00:02:23.000 Like anybody's business.
00:02:24.000 Still shredded.
00:02:26.000 Still works out like a fucking demon.
00:02:28.000 Still has insane cardio and drive.
00:02:30.000 Still wins fights in the trenches.
00:02:33.000 Yeah.
00:02:33.000 Like that fight with Gregory Rodriguez.
00:02:35.000 He was getting blasted in that first round.
00:02:37.000 He looked bad.
00:02:38.000 Yes.
00:02:39.000 Comes on and wins it in the trenches and stops him.
00:02:41.000 Even when he loses, it's not like.
00:02:44.000 Not by much.
00:02:44.000 Yeah, it's not by much at all.
00:02:46.000 Like when he lost to Robocop, it was like.
00:02:52.000 When did he lose to him?
00:02:53.000 Did he lose to him?
00:02:53.000 Because he just beat him recently.
00:02:55.000 Did he?
00:02:56.000 Yeah.
00:02:56.000 Who did he lose to then?
00:02:57.000 Because Gregory Rodriguez is Robocop.
00:03:00.000 So he just stopped him recently.
00:03:01.000 He was getting beaten up in the first round.
00:03:04.000 And Robocop is one of those guys that.
00:03:06.000 It was like a kind of controversial stoppage.
00:03:08.000 I forget who it was.
00:03:12.000 Oh, I know who you're talking about.
00:03:13.000 It wasn't him.
00:03:15.000 It was.
00:03:17.000 God, what was the one that.
00:03:20.000 I think it was Imamov.
00:03:23.000 Maybe, maybe.
00:03:24.000 I think Imamov was the.
00:03:25.000 Go back to that, please.
00:03:26.000 Look at the amount of fights he's had since then.
00:03:28.000 And that's the one that's in my head fresh.
00:03:30.000 Yeah, I don't remember the one that was a controversial stoppage.
00:03:35.000 I'm pretty sure it was Imamov.
00:03:38.000 90% sure.
00:03:39.000 Michael Page was a bad fight for him.
00:03:43.000 Yeah, that was a bad fight for him.
00:03:45.000 Michael Payne.
00:03:45.000 Yes, that's it.
00:03:46.000 It seems like he's the most annoying guy to fight ever.
00:03:49.000 Oh, dude.
00:03:50.000 Well, first of all, when he was at 170 is really his weight class.
00:03:56.000 And he's also another guy that's like he's 40 now or 39.
00:04:00.000 You know, when he was at 170, fucking good luck.
00:04:04.000 Good luck even touching that cat.
00:04:05.000 Too fast.
00:04:06.000 Too fast.
00:04:07.000 You too much speed at 185, too.
00:04:08.000 Yeah, he did.
00:04:10.000 Well, I think the thing about 185, though, is the grapplers.
00:04:14.000 Yeah.
00:04:14.000 If they get a hold of him, it's just a different world.
00:04:16.000 Yeah.
00:04:17.000 You know, because that's the only guy that ever beat him in the UFC was Ian Gary.
00:04:21.000 And the way he did it was by grappling.
00:04:23.000 Yeah.
00:04:23.000 You know, and just counter striking, setting up his shots a little bit.
00:04:27.000 He's just, I've always said, I said it from early on, that I think that that's a missing link in the MMA point fighting.
00:04:34.000 These guys who really know how to do that style and then learn the other things.
00:04:40.000 Because that style is so.
00:04:43.000 You cover so much distance so quickly, and they're so good at avoiding shots and then leaping in, and they're so good at timing and scoring.
00:04:51.000 And if you could score with one shot like those guys do, they leap in and score with one.
00:04:56.000 If you're a good combination fighter, once you connect once, then the other shots can flow from that.
00:05:02.000 If you develop that style on top of that original point fighting style.
00:05:06.000 100%.
00:05:07.000 And like.
00:05:09.000 The huge factor in all this is like they're such small gloves.
00:05:12.000 Yeah.
00:05:13.000 A touch can stop you.
00:05:14.000 Yep.
00:05:14.000 Like that's all you need.
00:05:15.000 And that's kind of been my approach with how my fight style is just to be fast.
00:05:20.000 Be fast, just land my hands.
00:05:22.000 Well, you have a very similar style in a lot of ways.
00:05:25.000 Like you're very wide stance.
00:05:26.000 You have a lot of, you blitz a lot.
00:05:28.000 You leap in and leap out.
00:05:30.000 Very fast and agile.
00:05:31.000 Yeah.
00:05:32.000 I feel like that's a great style also to like avoid that.
00:05:35.000 Like some of these fights, some guys, like you see these fights where they just like, Fucking stand right in front of each other, and some guys thrive on it.
00:05:43.000 You know, it's like that's their thing, they like to just stand in the pocket and blast it out.
00:05:48.000 But for how long?
00:05:49.000 I know you know who.
00:05:51.000 Tell me if you think he's an outlier as well as that King Green.
00:05:54.000 Oh, god, super outlier!
00:05:57.000 Because like I wasn't on his wagon, but then he changed his name.
00:06:01.000 It's like he started going downhill, and like everyone was just like, okay, he's gonna just fade into obscurity, you know, let's leave it as that.
00:06:06.000 Changes his name, starts piecing people up, yeah, starts winning by TKOs, and you're like.
00:06:11.000 He's back.
00:06:11.000 I'm so bad.
00:06:12.000 40.
00:06:13.000 Yeah.
00:06:14.000 I know.
00:06:14.000 He's, well, he just has a real love of the game.
00:06:17.000 He really does love fighting.
00:06:19.000 Again, he loves it.
00:06:19.000 He's an evasion fighter.
00:06:21.000 Mm hmm.
00:06:21.000 Right?
00:06:22.000 And weird style, hands down.
00:06:24.000 And you think he's there and the punches are coming at weird angles.
00:06:27.000 Yeah.
00:06:27.000 He's popping you from all sorts of ways and talking shit the entire time.
00:06:30.000 Like, I can't believe this guy's talking shit to me.
00:06:33.000 I've never understood guys that can do that.
00:06:36.000 Like Holland.
00:06:37.000 Oh, he's one of the best.
00:06:39.000 I remember.
00:06:39.000 I was watching, I think I was doing some research for the next card.
00:06:43.000 Yeah.
00:06:43.000 He was setting up a basketball game with one of the guys he was fighting.
00:06:52.000 It just blows my mind.
00:06:53.000 I don't know how you can get in that headspace because when I'm in there, I'm on the roller coaster of pain.
00:06:58.000 I'm just angry.
00:06:59.000 Well, he's having fun.
00:07:02.000 You said something interesting last night.
00:07:04.000 You said a happy Robert is a fucking dangerous Robert.
00:07:07.000 We were talking about Carlos Protes and how Carlos Protes looks like he's always having fun in there.
00:07:13.000 He's so relaxed.
00:07:15.000 And we were talking about his time in Thailand when he moved there, and he essentially had, over the course of something like six years, he had 100 Muay Thai fights and kickboxing fights, which is crazy.
00:07:26.000 Yeah, that's wild because Muay Thai is so damaging on the body.
00:07:29.000 Oh, as hell.
00:07:31.000 Yeah.
00:07:33.000 But because of that, he developed this very loose, relaxed style, very aggressive, but also just very comfortable inside of the octagon.
00:07:43.000 Yeah, he doesn't get that kind of. Fight or flight response anymore.
00:07:47.000 He just turns up and he's just accustomed to it.
00:07:51.000 He lives in that space.
00:07:53.000 Because everyone's waiting, I guess not everyone.
00:07:56.000 It's like everybody that, I don't know how to phrase it.
00:08:00.000 It's like everybody that doesn't drink and smoke before a fight is waiting for it to catch up with him so they can justify why they don't drink and smoke, right?
00:08:09.000 Because I guarantee if I started drinking and smoking before a fight, I'm gone.
00:08:15.000 Within seconds, within seconds, I'm gassing on the walk out.
00:08:18.000 And then I go wake up in the ER.
00:08:22.000 Yeah, that guy parties.
00:08:23.000 I mean, he's smoking cigarettes the day of the fight.
00:08:26.000 The locker room.
00:08:27.000 Yeah.
00:08:27.000 People are like, you can't smoke back here.
00:08:29.000 Yeah.
00:08:31.000 That's crazy.
00:08:33.000 That's a crazy.
00:08:34.000 Like, this UFC staff must be bewildered.
00:08:37.000 Like, just to see this.
00:08:39.000 And he's like, I think he said in one of his interviews, I trained really hard for this fight.
00:08:42.000 I haven't draped for two weeks or something like that.
00:08:45.000 I was like, yeah, good effort, man.
00:08:48.000 Commitment.
00:08:48.000 I wonder how much of an edge that takes off of you physically versus what it gives you psychologically to just be able to chill out every night.
00:08:57.000 Yeah, and I guess that's what we were discussing last night.
00:08:59.000 What's the balance, the tipping point for that?
00:09:01.000 Yeah.
00:09:02.000 Because it's like.
00:09:04.000 Whilst he's happy and he's loose and limber and you know he feels invincible, like there are detrimental effects of all this stuff he's doing.
00:09:14.000 I don't, but then fighting is a funny sport, isn't it though?
00:09:17.000 Because it's like it's not like sprinting where you build up this machine to run at your maximum, there is so many variables working against you.
00:09:28.000 And like, how many times have we seen just nobodies out of shape dudes just come in but know how to throw a punch and just win by starching people?
00:09:37.000 Yeah, it's like.
00:09:38.000 Yeah, it's just a funny sport.
00:09:40.000 It's a crazy sport.
00:09:42.000 And sometimes, if you're not worried, even though you should be worried, that's a good thing.
00:09:46.000 Yeah.
00:09:47.000 Like, there's guys that are, it's like ignorance is bliss.
00:09:49.000 They come in, just fucking wild haymakers that shouldn't land, and they do land.
00:09:55.000 And all of a sudden, the guy's out, and they got their arms up in the air, and everybody's like, what the fuck just happened?
00:10:00.000 That's crazy.
00:10:01.000 It happens too often.
00:10:03.000 Yeah.
00:10:05.000 Too often.
00:10:06.000 Especially with the little gloves.
00:10:07.000 Yeah, and I'm like, and then I'm sweating and grinding away, trying to get better, and you get these.
00:10:12.000 Guys that can just turn up and just touch of death people.
00:10:15.000 Yeah, well, there's that too.
00:10:17.000 That's interesting because you're a power puncher, you're a power kicker, but there's like, there's people that have a weird power, right?
00:10:25.000 It's like, it doesn't even, like Pereira.
00:10:26.000 Nganu power.
00:10:27.000 Yeah, Nganu.
00:10:28.000 Or, you know, there's Damian Pinas.
00:10:33.000 You know that dude?
00:10:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:34.000 Jesus Christ.
00:10:35.000 Yes, yes.
00:10:36.000 That guy, that's.
00:10:36.000 Ulberg.
00:10:37.000 Yeah, Ulberg's got crazy power.
00:10:39.000 He just switched over.
00:10:40.000 Crazy power.
00:10:40.000 Yeah.
00:10:41.000 That Yuri fight?
00:10:42.000 That last Yuri fight?
00:10:43.000 Blown out leg.
00:10:45.000 Oh my goodness.
00:10:45.000 And Yuri?
00:10:46.000 Like, oh my goodness.
00:10:49.000 Yuri needs a psychologist.
00:10:50.000 He needs someone to talk to him and say, We have to have strategies.
00:10:53.000 Okay, you're a seek and kill fighter.
00:10:56.000 When a guy's hurt, you can't be upset that he's hurt and then try to give him some concessions.
00:11:02.000 It was like he was part of an anime.
00:11:03.000 I don't know.
00:11:05.000 He was in his own show of like, and there was rain in the background in his head.
00:11:10.000 There was like rain in the background and there's mud and there's wet.
00:11:15.000 Thunder.
00:11:15.000 He wasn't there.
00:11:17.000 And then he, like, Ulberg hit him with that touch of death that he's got in that left hook, man.
00:11:21.000 That left hook is a whip.
00:11:23.000 Yes.
00:11:23.000 Such a whip, man.
00:11:24.000 And what's really crazy is that is the only punch that's available if your other leg is blown out.
00:11:30.000 Yeah.
00:11:30.000 It's the only punch.
00:11:31.000 Yeah.
00:11:32.000 Because you can pivot off that leg.
00:11:34.000 Yeah.
00:11:34.000 I mean, it's kind of crazy if you really think about it.
00:11:36.000 He's got one option.
00:11:37.000 Yeah.
00:11:38.000 Yeah, he's got one option, and he just.
00:11:42.000 So he's still moving around pretty decent, even with a fucked up leg.
00:11:47.000 But then you see it, like.
00:11:48.000 As he gets leg kicked, he stumbles back.
00:11:50.000 He just can't move when he wants to move and he can control it, he's fine.
00:11:56.000 But it's like chaotic defensive movements back and forth where you're shifting oddly on your legs.
00:12:02.000 That's where a blown out ACL really fucks you.
00:12:05.000 Was it his right leg or his left leg that was fucked up in that fight?
00:12:08.000 I want to say his left.
00:12:10.000 I think it's his right because that would make sense why he could throw the left leg.
00:12:14.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:12:15.000 Because he could still pivot off that leg.
00:12:19.000 Yes.
00:12:20.000 Oh, you see it pinned.
00:12:21.000 Yeah, it's his right leg.
00:12:22.000 You see it pinned.
00:12:23.000 But then, like, even when Yuri backs him to the fence, like, Carlos has one punch there.
00:12:29.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:12:30.000 Just the left hook.
00:12:32.000 One punch.
00:12:32.000 Like, right here, you can see, like, Yuri's.
00:12:35.000 And Yuri's still in that space.
00:12:38.000 Oh, there it is.
00:12:40.000 Well, Yuri, in that, like, maybe I'm thinking about it differently because in that moment, so that's post the injury when Yuri realized he had the injury.
00:12:48.000 But in that moment, it did look like Yuri was moving in for the kill.
00:12:52.000 But you just, you can't throw caution to the wind with a guy like, Carlos, because Carlos Olbert could just start you.
00:12:58.000 Oh, one point.
00:12:59.000 Yeah, that's where he blew his leg out.
00:13:01.000 You see, it was his right one.
00:13:02.000 You see it go like wobble.
00:13:04.000 Yeah, you see it like vibration through it.
00:13:06.000 That's horrible.
00:13:07.000 That's especially, I think, very like it's super vital as a light heavyweight as well.
00:13:15.000 Like the power of light heavyweights, and that's that was my headspace moving in from middleweight.
00:13:20.000 It's like everyone's got touch of death.
00:13:22.000 Right.
00:13:22.000 It's why the fights like a lot of light heavyweight fights are out because they're still fast.
00:13:26.000 Still fast enough to land, but they're just heavier guys.
00:13:29.000 Right.
00:13:29.000 Bigger punches.
00:13:31.000 And you just can't play games like that.
00:13:34.000 There's only a few guys that are like smaller, like Mirza Kanoff is a good example of a guy who's been real successful as a light heavyweight, as a smaller guy.
00:13:43.000 Azamat.
00:13:43.000 Yeah.
00:13:44.000 Azamat.
00:13:44.000 Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
00:13:45.000 The guy that lost to Costa.
00:13:46.000 Yeah.
00:13:46.000 He's fighting a seed this weekend.
00:13:48.000 He is.
00:13:48.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:49.000 Against Reyes.
00:13:50.000 Is he really 5'10?
00:13:52.000 Yeah.
00:13:52.000 He's small for a light heavyweight and doesn't look ripped.
00:13:56.000 Like he carries a lot of, but so skillful.
00:13:59.000 Yes.
00:13:59.000 He's so slick, man.
00:14:01.000 And aggressive with his shots.
00:14:03.000 When you see Paul Acosta fight him at light heavyweight, you're like, Jesus, how come Paul Acosta wasn't a light heavyweight the whole time?
00:14:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:14:09.000 That's a guy where it just completely made sense where he went up to light heavyweight.
00:14:13.000 I'm like, you look like a light heavyweight, man.
00:14:14.000 Especially with his, like, the few times he lost, he missed weight and was struggling for weight cuts and stuff.
00:14:21.000 I feel like for a long period there, he was kind of finding his feet.
00:14:24.000 And then he found his feet just in time to, To fight me.
00:14:28.000 And he came out like with super cardio and like super quick.
00:14:34.000 Yeah, that was a great fight.
00:14:35.000 Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
00:14:36.000 I got spinning heel kicked.
00:14:37.000 That was great.
00:14:37.000 But you were one of the few dudes that I've ever seen get spinning heel kicked and survive it.
00:14:42.000 You know, like that's a crazy kick to get cracked with.
00:14:45.000 Oh, yeah, I'll take it.
00:14:47.000 I'll take that.
00:14:48.000 Because, yeah, that's a funny kick too.
00:14:51.000 Because, like, it's so hard to prepare for.
00:14:55.000 Because it's not a kick you can.
00:14:58.000 It's not a kick he throws very often.
00:14:59.000 Right.
00:15:00.000 You know, and.
00:15:00.000 And it's not one you can really train in the workroom.
00:15:05.000 Right.
00:15:05.000 Because you can't train it full clip because you can't pull it.
00:15:08.000 Yeah.
00:15:08.000 And how are you going to, you can't pat it up or anything like that with your boots, right?
00:15:11.000 But yeah, it's, and even I remember, I remember being in there and seeing him start to do that turn.
00:15:19.000 And there's that one split second, because I've never seen it before, where I'm like, what's going on?
00:15:25.000 And then my legs are gone.
00:15:27.000 I'm doing funny, funny things.
00:15:29.000 So there's a moment where Michael Venom Page was talking about this.
00:15:33.000 Crazy training partner that he has.
00:15:35.000 This guy who was like elite in the gym but never quite could put it together in the cage.
00:15:41.000 And he's in, he's sparring with him, and there's this weird moment where he's like, What is he doing?
00:15:47.000 And he realized he's doing a front flip to an axe kick.
00:15:52.000 And as he's realizing it, he just instinctively does that and blocks it.
00:15:59.000 But just completely on instinct.
00:16:01.000 Like, why would you be expecting a guy to do a front flip to an axe kick?
00:16:05.000 It's like a rolling thunder.
00:16:07.000 Dude, but it's crazy.
00:16:08.000 No, that's like a wheel kick, but it's similar.
00:16:10.000 But when this guy does it, he does it to a heavy bag.
00:16:13.000 Do you remember that guy's name, Jamie?
00:16:14.000 He's got a video of someone doing it.
00:16:17.000 I don't, but.
00:16:17.000 There's a video of him doing it.
00:16:20.000 Well, that's similar.
00:16:22.000 That's Miguel Torres early in his UFC.
00:16:24.000 That's who that is, right?
00:16:26.000 I guarantee you, if someone does this kick to me, I'm taking it straight between the eyes.
00:16:30.000 But this guy didn't do it with a roll.
00:16:35.000 That's it.
00:16:35.000 Michael Venepage was talking about that guy.
00:16:38.000 That this guy did the way he could do it, he could do it on the bag and like hit the bag with a front flip axe kick.
00:16:48.000 And I mean, who the fuck can do that, man?
00:16:51.000 Like, I'm blowing out both hamstrings trying to do this.
00:16:56.000 Is this not available?
00:16:59.000 Yeah, it does.
00:17:02.000 There's a video that he should.
00:17:04.000 There it is.
00:17:04.000 There's the guy.
00:17:05.000 He lands on his feet.
00:17:06.000 Yes, dude.
00:17:07.000 Watch that.
00:17:08.000 It's like a Street Fighter move.
00:17:10.000 It doesn't seem like it's a real move.
00:17:13.000 It doesn't seem like anybody could do it.
00:17:15.000 And it's fast.
00:17:15.000 Fast as fuck, dude.
00:17:17.000 Fast as fuck, and the dude lands it.
00:17:19.000 Look at that.
00:17:20.000 It lands it as an axe kick.
00:17:23.000 Yeah.
00:17:23.000 And he practices it on the back.
00:17:25.000 I'm taking that straight between your eyes.
00:17:28.000 There is no way.
00:17:30.000 Luckily for me, I don't think anyone in the light heavyweight division is going to be doing that stuff.
00:17:34.000 There's the dude's name Galore Bofondo.
00:17:37.000 Well, watch this guy.
00:17:38.000 He's so fucking athletic, man.
00:17:40.000 This is literally crazy.
00:17:42.000 Wow.
00:17:43.000 He actually.
00:17:44.000 Oh, God, these fucking pop ups.
00:17:46.000 He.
00:17:46.000 Fuck off with your pop ups.
00:17:50.000 I mean, there's levels, right?
00:17:52.000 Like.
00:17:53.000 I've always said that if you can get someone who's a gymnast and teach them, there he is right there.
00:17:57.000 You can see it again.
00:17:59.000 Watch how he does this, man.
00:18:00.000 This is fucking crazy.
00:18:04.000 Yeah.
00:18:04.000 That is so crazy.
00:18:06.000 But what's crazy is like he lands and still lands on his feet.
00:18:10.000 Oh, yeah, like a cat.
00:18:11.000 Yeah.
00:18:11.000 Lands perfectly and then slides back into a perfect stance.
00:18:14.000 Yeah.
00:18:15.000 It's nuts.
00:18:15.000 My knees are hurting watching him.
00:18:18.000 I know.
00:18:19.000 Dude, I hurt my back in the shower today.
00:18:22.000 I worked out.
00:18:23.000 I worked out.
00:18:24.000 I hit the bag.
00:18:25.000 I punched the bag, kicked the bag, had his great work on it.
00:18:27.000 Got in the sauna for 20 minutes, stretched out, feeling great.
00:18:31.000 Got in the shower, taking a shower before the podcast.
00:18:34.000 I went, ah!
00:18:37.000 It happened.
00:18:38.000 Doing something like in between my shoulder blades, doing nothing, just fucking washing myself.
00:18:45.000 Age creeps.
00:18:46.000 I picked up, and I'm still a professional athlete.
00:18:52.000 I'm still, I'm gunning for that title.
00:18:54.000 I'm gunning for the title still.
00:18:56.000 And I picked up one of my kids, and I felt like a twinge in my lap, and I'm like, ooh.
00:19:02.000 Age creeps up on you.
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00:20:18.000 Well, it's also this I think there's this little micro injuries that you're not totally aware of, and then you do something and they just give, which makes sense because I was throwing a lot of left hooks today and a lot of left switch kicks.
00:20:30.000 So it was like, I think I was just a lot on that side.
00:20:33.000 Yeah.
00:20:34.000 It was a lot of that side.
00:20:35.000 And so just washing, I went, it was just like, it was this draw.
00:20:39.000 This draw, it's just so embarrassing to have a great hard workout.
00:20:43.000 Feel real good about yourself.
00:20:45.000 Feel good.
00:20:46.000 Got it in today.
00:20:48.000 I heard myself washing.
00:20:50.000 It's usually the way, though.
00:20:51.000 Like, I pick up so many silly injuries just trying to either play with the kids, for one, because I think once you're over at 35, you can't go into a dead sprint from a stopped position without a 30 minute warm up.
00:21:09.000 Right.
00:21:09.000 I need to warm up my hamstrings and everything before I'm doing this because I dare say, when I'm, and if your kids challenge you to a race, especially if you've got boys, you've got to beat them.
00:21:19.000 Right, you can't let your boys beat you.
00:21:20.000 You have to.
00:21:22.000 Last time I blew up my hamstring was racing with my 15 year old daughter in Italy.
00:21:26.000 I blew my hamstring up.
00:21:27.000 15's getting a bit old, too.
00:21:29.000 Like, they're getting faster that way.
00:21:31.000 I know, especially if you're a little bit light, faster.
00:21:34.000 My boys are all under 11 still, so I can hobble along.
00:21:38.000 I don't need the full warm up, you know.
00:21:40.000 But it's yeah, I that's you know, I need a full hamstring warm up, stretch out before I remember reading that Muhammad Ali would he would warm up for a full hour.
00:21:51.000 Before his workouts, he had a whole system that he did.
00:21:55.000 And one time, I did this thing with Daniel Tosh for his TV show where I trained him to take a punch from Manny Pacquiao.
00:22:03.000 Manny was being nice.
00:22:04.000 He didn't really hit him, he kind of just gave him a little thump.
00:22:07.000 But anyway, we're in the boxing gym and I got to see Manny workout.
00:22:11.000 And he spends a crazy amount of time warming up.
00:22:13.000 There's all these band workouts that he does.
00:22:17.000 Everything is very systematic.
00:22:19.000 They're stretching him and moving him.
00:22:21.000 He doesn't just get out there and.
00:22:23.000 He starts real slow, gets everything warmed up.
00:22:27.000 I think I've seen it.
00:22:28.000 You can get mesmerized watching his warm up.
00:22:31.000 And then I think also his ab program.
00:22:33.000 Have you seen his ab program?
00:22:35.000 It never stops.
00:22:37.000 I'm like 10 crunches and I'm all right because if I'm getting body shot and I'm not wearing it, it doesn't matter how strong your abs are.
00:22:44.000 You're going down.
00:22:45.000 Bro, he's a very unusual guy.
00:22:47.000 He's an outlier as well.
00:22:48.000 Yeah, in a lot of ways.
00:22:49.000 You know, he's a really good pool player.
00:22:51.000 Is he?
00:22:52.000 Oh, yeah.
00:22:52.000 Like a professional level pool player.
00:22:55.000 Quirky, like super talents, yeah.
00:22:57.000 Well, you know, pool is gigantic in the Philippines, yeah.
00:23:02.000 And you know, I mean, it is way bigger than it is in America, it's everywhere.
00:23:07.000 And he has his own pool hall in his compound, so he has a compound in his home.
00:23:11.000 I mean, a full pool hall with like 15 tables and all these people running around, and everyone's playing and they're gambling all over the place.
00:23:18.000 Everyone's gambling, they're all gambling.
00:23:20.000 And while he's playing, this is so crazy.
00:23:23.000 So he's playing pool, and while he's playing, while his opponent's shooting.
00:23:27.000 He's signing autographs.
00:23:28.000 He has people just bring him shit to sign so they can sell it.
00:23:31.000 It's like boxing gloves, pool cues, posters.
00:23:34.000 He's signing things.
00:23:35.000 It's your shot, Manny.
00:23:36.000 Oh, he goes over and plays.
00:23:37.000 And then he's playing a game of chess.
00:23:39.000 So he's got a game of chess going on.
00:23:41.000 Who's sitting down playing chess?
00:23:43.000 He makes his move, his opponent makes his move, runs over, runs a few balls, runs over in between that, signing things down.
00:23:50.000 This is exactly his room.
00:23:52.000 So, look, he's got his chessboard that's right by the pool table, then he's making shots, and then he goes and sits down, and then in the middle of that, he's signing things.
00:24:03.000 It's fucking insane to watch, man.
00:24:07.000 He's just constantly moving, and the pool room is just filled with people.
00:24:13.000 They're all moving around, but he plays real good.
00:24:15.000 Yeah, like real good.
00:24:16.000 You know, if he's turning up with a glove, don't bet on that table.
00:24:20.000 But it's like he knows how to play.
00:24:22.000 It's not just like pocketing balls.
00:24:24.000 Like he gets excellent position.
00:24:26.000 But like I said, pool in the Philippines is gigantic.
00:24:29.000 It's like it's a huge sport.
00:24:31.000 And he's, you know, deeply involved in it.
00:24:33.000 Like he has his own pool hall that's in the Philippines, like a huge place.
00:24:39.000 And, you know, they do a big pool tournament with him every year.
00:24:42.000 And where does he get the time?
00:24:44.000 And then he still works out full time.
00:24:46.000 Yeah.
00:24:46.000 Well, he still works out.
00:24:48.000 Like, he's still trying to fight.
00:24:49.000 I think he boxed this year, didn't he?
00:24:51.000 He did, yeah.
00:24:52.000 And he's trying to fight someone like world class right now.
00:24:54.000 He's trying to get like a real world class fight.
00:24:57.000 Instead of like fighting, you know, you think when a guy gets into his late 40s, probably, you know, have some like Mayweather's doing.
00:25:04.000 Yeah.
00:25:05.000 Yeah.
00:25:05.000 He fights influencers, MMA fighters, shit like that.
00:25:09.000 Yeah.
00:25:09.000 Not Manny.
00:25:10.000 Manny's looking to get another world tighter flyer.
00:25:12.000 Yeah.
00:25:13.000 How?
00:25:15.000 Like, why not?
00:25:16.000 I guess.
00:25:17.000 Yeah.
00:25:17.000 I mean, I guess he just never lost whatever it is.
00:25:20.000 If you're playing.
00:25:20.000 Pool and chess at the same time.
00:25:23.000 That's that guy's brain.
00:25:24.000 It's not a stretch.
00:25:27.000 And it's super accommodating.
00:25:28.000 Like signing all these autographs for people, like everybody's running over to him with boxes of shit for him to sign so they could go sell it.
00:25:35.000 I'm surprised at how many fighters in general like chess.
00:25:39.000 I know it's a tactical, it's a strategy game, but it's just, it's surprising to me.
00:25:43.000 Like the guys, like I'll go to the gym and I'll train with some of the boys and they are just, they are ogres with gloves on.
00:25:52.000 Right.
00:25:53.000 You know what I mean?
00:25:54.000 Right, right.
00:25:54.000 But then in their downtime, they're just playing online chess and they're ranked like high.
00:26:00.000 Really?
00:26:00.000 And I'm like, dude, you're a knucklehead.
00:26:05.000 I saw you open a can of spam for lunch.
00:26:08.000 What are you doing?
00:26:09.000 And it just surprises me.
00:26:11.000 You can't always judge a book by its cover, right?
00:26:15.000 Absolutely.
00:26:17.000 Do you play chess?
00:26:18.000 No, I don't.
00:26:18.000 Okay, yeah.
00:26:19.000 I thought about getting into it and then.
00:26:21.000 I went on like a deep rabbit hole of like the game of chess and the art of strategy and all that.
00:26:26.000 And then I realized like there's just too much to learn.
00:26:28.000 Right.
00:26:29.000 It's like the first 20 moves or something like that are already like in motion.
00:26:33.000 Like everyone knows at a decent clip, everyone knows the first 20 moves because that's what you're supposed to do.
00:26:38.000 Right.
00:26:39.000 And then everyone starts going off on different things.
00:26:40.000 And I'm just like, oh, it's too much for me.
00:26:42.000 It's a long road.
00:26:44.000 And if you get addicted to it, that's going to suck up all your time.
00:26:48.000 Yeah.
00:26:48.000 Because you could just hop online and play people at any time of the day.
00:26:54.000 You could play the computer, you could play real people.
00:26:56.000 So it's just too nuts.
00:26:58.000 Yeah, yeah, but.
00:27:00.000 But I get it.
00:27:01.000 I really do get it.
00:27:02.000 I understand it.
00:27:03.000 And you could, like, really underestimate someone's intelligence just based on what they look like.
00:27:08.000 They just look like a giant brute.
00:27:10.000 Like, you ever talked to Josh Barnett?
00:27:13.000 No, I haven't.
00:27:13.000 Former heavyweight champion.
00:27:15.000 One of the smartest people I've ever met.
00:27:17.000 Super smart.
00:27:18.000 Quotes Dostoevsky.
00:27:20.000 Like, he's, like, off the top of his head, he's quoting these great works of literature and studies warriors and, yeah, studies history.
00:27:31.000 Knows a lot about whiskey, makes his own whiskey, like, brilliant guy.
00:27:34.000 Yeah, and you know, you look at him, he's like, This is a fucking brute who's really into pro wrestling.
00:27:39.000 Oh, really?
00:27:40.000 Well, the athletic side of that sport is just unbelievable.
00:27:46.000 These guys are elite athletes.
00:27:48.000 Right.
00:27:49.000 Because you have to be, otherwise, you'd kill yourself.
00:27:51.000 And those guys are taking a pounding that people don't recognize because they're on the road hundreds of days a year doing these shows in these local stadiums.
00:28:02.000 So these people come out to see them, and they're doing these big pro wrestling shows, but no one thinks about the fact that's real damage.
00:28:09.000 You're getting body slammed, you're getting a concussion, probably.
00:28:12.000 Yeah.
00:28:13.000 You're definitely getting some CTE.
00:28:14.000 Yeah.
00:28:15.000 100%.
00:28:16.000 Yeah.
00:28:17.000 And then they hop on the bus and they go to the next state and do it again.
00:28:21.000 Right over the fucking bridge.
00:28:23.000 Like, it's crazy.
00:28:26.000 It's so hard on the body.
00:28:27.000 All the old school progressives that I've brought in here to talk to, they're all fucked up.
00:28:32.000 Yeah.
00:28:32.000 Everyone's just.
00:28:34.000 Yeah.
00:28:34.000 Well, before he died, Hulk Hogan, I met him once years ago.
00:28:39.000 Like, I didn't meet him, but I said hi to him outside of a cigar bar in Beverly Hills.
00:28:43.000 And he was fucking gigantic.
00:28:44.000 He was huge.
00:28:45.000 I met him again when he did my podcast.
00:28:47.000 Well, I met him another time when I interviewed him for Spike TV.
00:28:49.000 He was only slightly smaller then.
00:28:51.000 And then I met him again when he did my podcast.
00:28:53.000 He was significantly smaller because he keeps getting these fusions on his back, right?
00:28:59.000 So he's had like eight or nine.
00:29:00.000 It's not funny.
00:29:01.000 It's sad.
00:29:02.000 It's fucked up.
00:29:03.000 I'm just picturing him like every time you meet him, he's just like.
00:29:05.000 Well, it's because think about his back.
00:29:07.000 At his back.
00:29:07.000 At his back.
00:29:07.000 At his back.
00:29:08.000 That's why old men shrink, you know?
00:29:11.000 One of the reasons why you shrink is you're losing disc space.
00:29:14.000 That's why I've gotten shorter over the years.
00:29:16.000 Yeah.
00:29:17.000 Your spine's compressed.
00:29:18.000 Yeah, you get disc.
00:29:19.000 Decompression.
00:29:21.000 You know, it's called disc degeneration disease.
00:29:24.000 But what it really is, is just pressure.
00:29:27.000 It's just all that weight, especially for weightlifters.
00:29:29.000 They all have disc compression.
00:29:31.000 So his thing was he would jump up in the air and drop down on his ass.
00:29:36.000 He would land on his ass and elbow you.
00:29:38.000 So all that weight, 300 plus pounds, boom on his ass every night.
00:29:44.000 Boom!
00:29:44.000 His whole spine just going, yeah.
00:29:48.000 And so he had to get his whole back.
00:29:50.000 His whole back was one rod.
00:29:52.000 In recent years, have you fallen to your ass at any point?
00:29:56.000 Like, unprepared?
00:29:58.000 I lay there for a while.
00:30:00.000 I feel it all the way up to the top of my base of my skull.
00:30:03.000 Yeah, it's not good.
00:30:04.000 I can't imagine what sort of damage.
00:30:06.000 Well, I can't imagine.
00:30:07.000 You can see it.
00:30:08.000 Those guys all get fused up.
00:30:10.000 Yeah.
00:30:10.000 Yeah, they all do.
00:30:12.000 It's just, there's no getting around.
00:30:14.000 Kurt Angle was here.
00:30:15.000 His whole neck is just one.
00:30:16.000 Yes.
00:30:17.000 Yo Romero.
00:30:18.000 Yo Romero's neck is fused to his skull.
00:30:21.000 Another outlier.
00:30:21.000 Another outlier.
00:30:23.000 Dude, you told me that when you fought him, that you said it was like kicking metal.
00:30:27.000 I've never felt that way.
00:30:28.000 I've never thrown a calf kick and come off second best.
00:30:31.000 Like, I calf kicked him, and that was the last calf kick I did.
00:30:35.000 He didn't check it.
00:30:38.000 It just hurt.
00:30:39.000 It just hurt.
00:30:39.000 He's just built different.
00:30:43.000 He's just built different.
00:30:44.000 His body is just built different.
00:30:45.000 That's why he's, how old is he?
00:30:48.000 49?
00:30:48.000 49.
00:30:49.000 He just had a bare knuckle fight with Darren Till.
00:30:50.000 And he should have won.
00:30:51.000 Props to Darren Till.
00:30:53.000 Props to Darren Till for taking that fight.
00:30:55.000 I'm a bad knuckling Joe Romero.
00:30:57.000 And he got dropped too.
00:30:59.000 Yeah.
00:31:01.000 Big fan of Till.
00:31:02.000 Big fan of Till.
00:31:03.000 I think he's doing great in boxing.
00:31:04.000 I think he's found his niche.
00:31:05.000 I think he's had knee issues, like significant knee issues over the years that have really fucked with him when it comes to grappling.
00:31:11.000 Yeah.
00:31:12.000 And I think what we got to see in his best in the UFC, like the Cowboys' Ronnie fight, is his striking.
00:31:20.000 His striking is very elite.
00:31:23.000 He moves really well.
00:31:24.000 And I think because of the knee issues, boxing is just a way better choice.
00:31:28.000 You don't have to take into account the grappling.
00:31:30.000 You're not getting kicked in the knees.
00:31:32.000 I just think his knees are pretty fucked up.
00:31:34.000 I think that's why you see a lot of the older guys that weren't really taken advantage of wrestling wise early in their career.
00:31:42.000 But as they get older, they start getting taken down, held down, beat by decision, or put on their back and kind of submitted there or kept there.
00:31:52.000 And I think that's because, I know this firsthand, I can still do it because I've just been lucky, really.
00:32:00.000 And genetically, that's a thing people don't realize.
00:32:04.000 Hard work is.
00:32:06.000 Will get you very, very far.
00:32:07.000 But there is, like, talent and genetics are a factor.
00:32:10.000 100%.
00:32:11.000 A huge factor.
00:32:11.000 John Jones is the ultimate merging of talent and genetics.
00:32:14.000 Like, yeah, exactly.
00:32:16.000 Like, you can't, if you were going to build someone in a lab, he'd come out with John Jones, man.
00:32:22.000 Talent, intelligence, and genes.
00:32:24.000 It's like all those together.
00:32:26.000 He's the perfect fighter.
00:32:27.000 Yeah.
00:32:28.000 Like, the perfect fighter.
00:32:30.000 But yeah, I think as you get older, your knees, your joints start hurting, injuries are more prevalent.
00:32:35.000 You can't wrestle on the mat.
00:32:37.000 Anymore as much as you used to.
00:32:38.000 You don't have that mat time.
00:32:40.000 So that when you get in there with these younger guys and they take you down or they start pushing on the wrestling, you're just not there for it.
00:32:48.000 And I also think that a big part of wrestling is what you do in the first second of the engagement, of the takedown.
00:32:56.000 It's like how that fighting, that fight, that's why you see a lot of young fighters that don't have a huge pedigree in wrestling, but they get out of positions, they keep fighting, they work their way back up because they're fighting and fighting and fighting, which is another thing that kind of Dims a little bit as you get older.
00:33:12.000 Yes.
00:33:13.000 You know what I mean?
00:33:13.000 I think there's also the protecting of your joints, right?
00:33:17.000 Whereas you're young, you just explode into things.
00:33:20.000 When you're older, if you've had a few meniscus surgeries or an ACL reconstruction, you don't explode into things haphazardly anymore.
00:33:29.000 You think about it.
00:33:30.000 You can't.
00:33:30.000 Yeah, you think about it.
00:33:31.000 You position yourself before you push off.
00:33:33.000 Even just instinctively, you don't trust your knee.
00:33:35.000 Subconsciously.
00:33:36.000 Whereas you're young, you're just fucking moving.
00:33:38.000 You're not even thinking about your knees.
00:33:39.000 You're scrambling.
00:33:40.000 You're trying to get up.
00:33:41.000 You're fucking.
00:33:42.000 You're not thinking of ever protecting yourself.
00:33:45.000 Whereas you get a few surgeries, you get a few blown out joints, you start protecting yourself.
00:33:49.000 And then there's these certain moments where you're like, look, I can explode, but I might not get the best out of it.
00:33:54.000 Let me take a break here.
00:33:55.000 Let me go to my back and try to work myself back in a position to stand up again.
00:34:00.000 And that's where the problems come.
00:34:01.000 That's how you get held down for the rest of the round and lose that round or whatever.
00:34:04.000 Well, Drikas and Hamzat.
00:34:07.000 That was one of the crazy examples of the gap in wrestling was gigantic.
00:34:13.000 And Hamzat was the absolute worst.
00:34:17.000 Case scenario opponent for him.
00:34:19.000 I, I, people don't give it that fight and what had what what what Shemaev did to Drikas enough like thought or space because that was unbelievable in a championship level fight to hold down someone like Drikas who who couldn't do anything.
00:34:39.000 Anything.
00:34:39.000 He couldn't do anything and he's a big, strong guy.
00:34:42.000 At the worst case, you just flop around and push someone, you know, but he just kept getting put in that crucifix and held down, like taken advantage of.
00:34:50.000 It was.
00:34:51.000 Wild.
00:34:51.000 When was the last time you saw someone in a championship fight defending their world title get put in the crucifix three fucking times?
00:34:58.000 Never.
00:34:59.000 Never.
00:35:00.000 It's such a hard move to get a guy in in the first place, to get a guy in three times.
00:35:04.000 And a guy who's a fucking bulldog like Trickus?
00:35:07.000 That guy's huge.
00:35:08.000 And it's not even, it wasn't like it was just in the first round.
00:35:11.000 No, he just kept doing it.
00:35:12.000 Throughout the whole fight, things are getting sweaty.
00:35:15.000 People are getting tired.
00:35:16.000 And he still just kept getting put in.
00:35:18.000 I can barely hold people in a crucifix and a gi.
00:35:22.000 Right.
00:35:23.000 It's like, to do it at that, like, there, then, that's.
00:35:27.000 I know.
00:35:28.000 It's like, people want everything to be chaos and blood.
00:35:31.000 Yes.
00:35:32.000 Like, you know that dude who just got cut, Fareed Basharat?
00:35:35.000 Yes.
00:35:36.000 Undefeated.
00:35:37.000 Yeah, yes.
00:35:37.000 Undefeated, got cut.
00:35:39.000 And last time I talked to him was inside the octagon.
00:35:41.000 It was the last fight of his career.
00:35:43.000 I was like, I'm sure you're going to get another contract.
00:35:46.000 I think I said that to him in the octagon because he was saying it's his last fight.
00:35:50.000 He's undefeated.
00:35:51.000 Didn't age well.
00:35:53.000 I don't like that.
00:35:54.000 I don't like that thinking that you have to be uber excited.
00:35:58.000 He's got a brother as well, right?
00:36:00.000 I believe, and I'm not sure.
00:36:03.000 Is that the.
00:36:03.000 Fareed Basharat, see if he has a brother.
00:36:05.000 He's got a brother as well.
00:36:07.000 If that's the case.
00:36:08.000 The guy's very skillful.
00:36:09.000 Obviously.
00:36:10.000 He's undefeated.
00:36:11.000 And they just decided that they didn't like his style.
00:36:15.000 Yeah.
00:36:18.000 Oh, he's a PFL fighter.
00:36:19.000 Okay, that's why.
00:36:21.000 They just decided.
00:36:22.000 I don't.
00:36:22.000 Okay, I'm talking out of school.
00:36:23.000 I didn't talk to Dana or Sean Shelby or Mick Maynard.
00:36:27.000 I don't know what happened.
00:36:28.000 I don't know.
00:36:31.000 But I didn't like it.
00:36:32.000 I don't like when a guy gets.
00:36:33.000 Cut that wants to keep fighting in the UFC, he's undefeated just because you think he's boring.
00:36:39.000 Well, put him in with someone who's fucking exciting.
00:36:41.000 Yes, put him in with someone who pushes him and makes it a crazy fight.
00:36:45.000 Like, if a guy's fighting and winning, you keep fighting and you keep winning.
00:36:49.000 Yeah, like, are we saying that Hamzak can't fight in the UFC anymore because of the trickest fight where he won the title, which a lot of people thought was boring?
00:36:57.000 Yes, I didn't think it was boring, but a lot of people thought was boring.
00:36:59.000 Yeah, his brother had the and wasn't undefeated, I don't think, but had the same issue in February.
00:37:03.000 Won in contracts.
00:37:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:05.000 With the UFC?
00:37:06.000 Yeah, with the UFC.
00:37:07.000 So he had one fight?
00:37:08.000 I don't know how many fights.
00:37:09.000 I think he had a few.
00:37:10.000 In the UFC?
00:37:11.000 Yeah, he won through Dana White's contender series and had a few fights.
00:37:14.000 Man, I don't like that.
00:37:17.000 Yeah.
00:37:17.000 I don't like guys not getting offered contracts because they don't like their style.
00:37:24.000 Everyone's trying to win.
00:37:25.000 You're trying to win a fight.
00:37:27.000 Fights are fucking complicated.
00:37:29.000 And this idea that you're supposed to just be entertaining and put your brain on the line and.
00:37:35.000 Ignore your skill set, ignore your skill set, which is to avoid damage and to fight intelligently.
00:37:40.000 Know when to engage, know when your gas tank is on E and you got to play it off a little bit and move around a little bit and let your body recover.
00:37:48.000 Like, this is what the game is.
00:37:51.000 It's winning.
00:37:52.000 If you're looking at contracts as well, it's like that to show and to win bonus.
00:37:55.000 Like, you get more money winning.
00:37:57.000 Right.
00:37:58.000 Right.
00:37:58.000 Like, crazy stuff.
00:37:59.000 Good point.
00:38:00.000 Very good point.
00:38:00.000 That's the whole thing.
00:38:01.000 If I could toe stomp my way to victory, I would.
00:38:04.000 I would.
00:38:05.000 Like, I. If I could do what Chamaev does, sometimes I'm jealous of these guys that can just wrestle.
00:38:13.000 Right.
00:38:13.000 Because they take no damage, no damage.
00:38:16.000 And they just take people down and destroy them there.
00:38:21.000 And then the longevity of that is much longer until that curse hits them where they can't get a takedown and then they never get a takedown again.
00:38:29.000 Yeah, I think that curse is probably what we're talking about too like a buildup of injuries and all these different things over time.
00:38:35.000 Like Usman.
00:38:36.000 Right.
00:38:36.000 He was a guy.
00:38:37.000 That stopped taking downs.
00:38:39.000 Good example of injuries as well.
00:38:40.000 Very good example of injuries.
00:38:42.000 However, he did beat Joaquin Buckley.
00:38:45.000 He did.
00:38:46.000 And Joaquin Buckley, fucking dangerous as hell, man, and especially then.
00:38:50.000 And Joaquin was on the rise.
00:38:52.000 Did you see the Mike Malotte victory this last week?
00:38:55.000 Holy shit.
00:38:56.000 That was cold.
00:38:57.000 Holy shit.
00:38:58.000 That was cold.
00:38:58.000 Malotte looks good, dude.
00:39:01.000 Yeah.
00:39:01.000 He looks.
00:39:01.000 It's crazy that that dude started his career at Featherweight.
00:39:04.000 Really?
00:39:05.000 Yeah.
00:39:06.000 Well.
00:39:07.000 Yeah, he was a Featherweight.
00:39:10.000 I think Akeem Dawadu stopped him.
00:39:12.000 He looked bigger than Joaquin.
00:39:14.000 He did.
00:39:15.000 Yeah.
00:39:15.000 Yeah, he did.
00:39:16.000 He's big.
00:39:17.000 And, you know, he looks like a real Velter.
00:39:19.000 Well, until you look at guys like Michael Morales and you're like, okay, what's this size?
00:39:25.000 He's not the means.
00:39:26.000 He's like a special case.
00:39:27.000 He's just like, he is the perfect example of weaponized physique.
00:39:33.000 Yeah.
00:39:34.000 Like, he's just, he's young, he's hungry, he's a genetic freak.
00:39:39.000 You can see it.
00:39:39.000 He makes the sacrifices to get to the weight division.
00:39:43.000 He likes to fight.
00:39:44.000 He can bang, he can wrestle, he can, you know what I mean?
00:39:47.000 He's just there to scrap.
00:39:49.000 That's an ugly fight.
00:39:50.000 And he's the biggest outlier in terms of weight, in terms of size.
00:39:54.000 Well, another one was Ateba Gautier.
00:39:57.000 He's another one that weighs 230.
00:40:00.000 231 was what he weighed before he started his weight cut, and he got down to 185.
00:40:06.000 But he fought Roman Kopilov, and Kopilov stopped him in the first round.
00:40:09.000 And this guy's got good hands.
00:40:10.000 Fucking good, dude.
00:40:11.000 Good hands.
00:40:12.000 He's slick.
00:40:13.000 Jack Slack, who's a great MMA analyst on Instagram and YouTube, and I'll let you.
00:40:18.000 He did a great breakdown of the positioning and how Roman Kopilov was leading him into it and setting up shots and set up that left hook.
00:40:28.000 There's a few guys who've done some great breakdowns, but it's so skillful, man.
00:40:32.000 Yeah.
00:40:32.000 And that was like a good example of like a super powerhouse, enormous guy who's gigantic for the weight class just gets pieced up by a guy who's just slicker.
00:40:41.000 Yeah.
00:40:41.000 And then Copylove's not like a physically intimidating dude.
00:40:45.000 Right.
00:40:45.000 Like he kind of looks like a desk jockey.
00:40:48.000 I know.
00:40:48.000 Well, except for his nose.
00:40:50.000 Yeah.
00:40:50.000 His nose looks like he had a fight with a bear.
00:40:52.000 Yeah.
00:40:53.000 A desk jockey that visits a bar overnight.
00:40:55.000 Bro, his nose is destroyed.
00:40:58.000 But I mean, that's just, that's skills.
00:41:00.000 It was that fight with Costa.
00:41:04.000 That I saw Costa and I was like, Costa's found his feet.
00:41:07.000 Like, yes.
00:41:09.000 Like, he was just working that body.
00:41:10.000 Yeah.
00:41:11.000 Pieced him up.
00:41:11.000 Such a good one.
00:41:12.000 When Costa is on, he's a motherfucker.
00:41:15.000 I think he went through a dark time after the Izzy fight.
00:41:19.000 I think the pressure of fighting for the title, I'm just speculating, overwhelmed him.
00:41:25.000 Obviously, he had some injuries too because he had red suction marks all over his calf, which is a real bad thing to go into the octagon with.
00:41:32.000 I mean, put some makeup on that shit.
00:41:34.000 Because Izzy sees that, he's going to immediately kick that spot.
00:41:37.000 Because Izzy's a smart guy.
00:41:38.000 Yeah, he's going to go, Oh, you got a problem with your calf.
00:41:40.000 Like, nobody gets the suction marks on the calf.
00:41:44.000 And he just got pieced up so bad in that fight and stopped.
00:41:47.000 And then Izzy dry humped him, which was hilarious.
00:41:51.000 And after that, I think he was mind fucked for a while.
00:41:54.000 Yeah, it was hilarious.
00:41:55.000 But it was also, Oh, dude, this is so dirty.
00:41:57.000 So dirty.
00:41:58.000 So dirty.
00:41:59.000 It's like, this, it was cold, man.
00:42:02.000 Cold blooded.
00:42:04.000 Yeah, man.
00:42:04.000 Like, Too cold.
00:42:07.000 I can't BM that much.
00:42:08.000 That's crazy.
00:42:11.000 And he's just had a couple good ones.
00:42:14.000 Like the Pereira, when he knocked out Pereira that second time.
00:42:16.000 Oh, yeah, man.
00:42:17.000 And then the Arrow.
00:42:18.000 I think that's got to be one of the coolest.
00:42:19.000 One of the, I think, the greatest fight celebration of all time.
00:42:23.000 Yeah.
00:42:24.000 Especially when you consider what just happened.
00:42:26.000 Yeah.
00:42:26.000 That dude had knocked him out two fights in a row.
00:42:29.000 Yeah.
00:42:29.000 Two fights in a row.
00:42:30.000 And then he finally got in a fight where he was getting fucked up.
00:42:33.000 Yeah.
00:42:34.000 His leg was getting fucked up.
00:42:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:36.000 He was not winning.
00:42:37.000 His calf was getting destroyed.
00:42:38.000 He's like, This motherfucker already got me.
00:42:40.000 He said, I was thinking to myself, Damn, this motherfucker already got my life.
00:42:43.000 He did that thing where he was wearing that leash for the whole camp.
00:42:47.000 Remember before the interviews?
00:42:49.000 He had that leash on him.
00:42:51.000 Did he really?
00:42:51.000 Yeah, dude.
00:42:54.000 And then he took it off just before he fought.
00:42:57.000 Oh, he's off the leash.
00:42:58.000 He's such a weeb sometimes.
00:43:00.000 I love the guy now.
00:43:01.000 We're good friends, but he's a weeb sometimes.
00:43:03.000 What was it like losing to him by knockout and then coming back and taking him to the limit?
00:43:11.000 Because we were talking about this last night.
00:43:12.000 Your second fight, was it a split decision?
00:43:16.000 I'm not sure.
00:43:17.000 I'm not too sure.
00:43:18.000 It was a very close fight.
00:43:19.000 It was very close.
00:43:20.000 It was a very close fight.
00:43:21.000 I feel like if they scored takedowns like they used to back in the day, I might have got my hand raised.
00:43:27.000 But yeah, takedowns don't mean as much anymore unless you do something with them.
00:43:32.000 You can win off your back if the guy on top doesn't do anything.
00:43:35.000 That's how Boss Rutan won the world title when he beat Kevin Randleman.
00:43:39.000 Kevin Randleman took him down, but Boss was fucking him up from his back, just elbowing him, blasting him from his back.
00:43:44.000 It was very controversial because everybody's like, no, the guy on top, he's winning.
00:43:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:49.000 But Boss Rutan was doing mad damage from the bottom.
00:43:52.000 Yeah.
00:43:53.000 Like it's, and you also see like some guys can generate, like what about when Holland knocked out Jacques Rey off the back?
00:43:59.000 Oh, yeah.
00:43:59.000 Yeah.
00:44:00.000 That was wild.
00:44:01.000 Reached up and hit him with the fucking right hook.
00:44:03.000 Like, how?
00:44:04.000 How did he generate enough power?
00:44:07.000 I know.
00:44:08.000 Every time I'm on my back and I'm trying to fight up, I get fed.
00:44:12.000 I think.
00:44:13.000 I get fed and then I gas.
00:44:15.000 And then that's where I'm staying for the next four minutes or whatever.
00:44:18.000 I've seen someone else knock someone out from their back too with a hook.
00:44:22.000 God, I forget who it was.
00:44:24.000 But he was on top of someone, or someone was on top of him.
00:44:29.000 I don't remember if it was his guard or if he was mounted.
00:44:33.000 And he throws a right hook, and the guy just like sinks and falls on top of him.
00:44:37.000 Like, it is possible, yeah.
00:44:39.000 I've seen weird things, yeah.
00:44:41.000 That's why everyone loves this sport is because crazy stuff happens.
00:44:46.000 Oh, yeah, like it is just a melting pot of athletes.
00:44:51.000 Like when Sean Sharaf just knocked out Gable Stevenson, oh, like in the first round with the first punch, like a 2,400 to one underdog, yeah, minus 2,400 underdog, yeah, that's crazy, crazy.
00:45:02.000 Like, that would have been, and you know, there were punters that put 10 bucks on, like, just.
00:45:06.000 Threw 10 bucks on.
00:45:09.000 And they're just laughing.
00:45:10.000 Absolutely.
00:45:11.000 He made a lot of people's days.
00:45:13.000 Minus 2,400 is crazy.
00:45:15.000 And then he loses in 11 seconds.
00:45:18.000 I was thinking after I saw him fight the fight before, he was a bit reckless with his ability to go in.
00:45:25.000 Especially in such the big boys division.
00:45:28.000 Everyone's got touch of death there.
00:45:30.000 Well, he's also a guy who I know he is a heavyweight.
00:45:34.000 I know he weighs like 240 or whatever he weighs.
00:45:36.000 But you look at him and you're like, that guy can make 205.
00:45:39.000 Like 100.
00:45:41.000 205 is not outside of his wheelhouse.
00:45:43.000 You don't think?
00:45:44.000 Because he's late.
00:45:45.000 Yeah, this is Kevin Owens.
00:45:47.000 This was also a hook.
00:45:48.000 It's the only one I can find.
00:45:49.000 He's talking to him while it's happening.
00:45:50.000 Always.
00:45:50.000 He's always talking to people.
00:45:52.000 He's the most saying, I had this dream when I was 17, and then throws a hook and knocks him out.
00:45:56.000 Is that what he said?
00:45:56.000 I had a dream when I was 17?
00:45:57.000 I don't know if you can hear it.
00:46:00.000 Is it on right now?
00:46:01.000 I can hear it.
00:46:02.000 Yeah, over here.
00:46:02.000 Put the headphones on.
00:46:06.000 He said, that was nice.
00:46:07.000 It's nice.
00:46:08.000 I had a dream about this.
00:46:12.000 Stop.
00:46:13.000 I'm kind of like Kevin's whole top cage.
00:46:17.000 You know what I mean?
00:46:19.000 Ooh, he did.
00:46:19.000 Even Habib talking, he talks a lot lower than that.
00:46:24.000 Kevin Holland's almost screaming.
00:46:27.000 Jock Ray, he was already badly hurt there.
00:46:33.000 That's so funny.
00:46:34.000 That finish was crazy.
00:46:36.000 It was the first punch that had him fucked up.
00:46:38.000 Yeah, and he didn't recover because he was there for a minute.
00:46:41.000 So it's kind of hurting him.
00:46:42.000 It's kind of hurting him bad.
00:46:43.000 Yeah.
00:46:44.000 But then that.
00:46:44.000 The rest of it was terrible to watch.
00:46:46.000 Well, he said to Joaquin Buckley, he goes, You got a booger on your nose.
00:46:50.000 And then he knocked him out.
00:46:52.000 He's like, Hey, man, you got a booger on your nose.
00:46:54.000 And then he hits someone straight right and knocks him out.
00:46:56.000 Yeah, I don't know what I'd do if someone was talking that much to me in a fight.
00:47:01.000 Well, Frank Shamrock had a fight with Nick Diaz in Strike Force.
00:47:04.000 And he said after the fight, He goes, It's so fucked up because this guy is talking shit to you.
00:47:09.000 And you're like, I can't believe he's doing this.
00:47:12.000 I can't believe he's talking shit to me.
00:47:13.000 Because he's Frank Shamrock.
00:47:15.000 He's a legend.
00:47:16.000 He was a former UFC champion.
00:47:18.000 Like a real pioneer in terms of a complete martial artist.
00:47:21.000 He was like one of the very first.
00:47:22.000 Yeah.
00:47:22.000 Like, complete.
00:47:23.000 Started with boots on.
00:47:24.000 Yeah.
00:47:24.000 Man, I mean, he did the pancreas style when you're open slaps.
00:47:29.000 I mean, he was a real pioneer.
00:47:30.000 So for him, and Nick D is like, what, bitch?
00:47:32.000 What, bitch?
00:47:32.000 What you gonna do, bitch?
00:47:33.000 He's just popping him and talking to him.
00:47:35.000 You don't get to breathe because he's not hitting you full blast.
00:47:39.000 He's like, here, put some volume.
00:47:42.000 I love how he used to put his hands down by his hips.
00:47:47.000 He's just talking to him constantly.
00:47:52.000 I've always been the biggest fan of his style.
00:47:55.000 Oh, Nick has the crazy stuff.
00:47:56.000 It just looks so much fun.
00:48:00.000 It looks fun.
00:48:01.000 He's relaxed.
00:48:02.000 Like, even while he's doing this, he's never straining.
00:48:04.000 Yeah.
00:48:04.000 Like, all of his punches are like 50%.
00:48:07.000 Everything's 50%.
00:48:08.000 But because of that, he can throw them for days.
00:48:11.000 For days.
00:48:11.000 For days.
00:48:13.000 And then he gets to that point where he's not even breathing and he's just beating on a gassed guy.
00:48:20.000 Yes.
00:48:20.000 You know what my favorite fight of him ever is?
00:48:23.000 Paul Semtex Daily.
00:48:24.000 Oh, yeah?
00:48:25.000 Yeah, in Strike Force.
00:48:26.000 Semtex had.
00:48:28.000 Maybe the craziest power in the history of the division.
00:48:32.000 Semtex would just put people into orbit.
00:48:34.000 He had crazy knockouts.
00:48:37.000 And these dudes just went to war.
00:48:38.000 And he dropped Nick a couple of times.
00:48:41.000 But Nick brought him into a pace where he was going to have to sprint for the entire five minutes.
00:48:46.000 And by the end of like three minutes in, you see he's like, I can't do this anymore.
00:48:50.000 And then Nick just overwhelms him and stops him.
00:48:52.000 Lactic overload.
00:48:53.000 Yeah, see if you can find that.
00:48:55.000 He had some war.
00:48:57.000 There it is.
00:48:59.000 Bring us up earlier in the fight.
00:49:00.000 We're wrestling a little bit.
00:49:01.000 It was.
00:49:02.000 Yeah, but in the beginning, it's like you see the power of Semtex.
00:49:05.000 Like crazy left hook.
00:49:07.000 Left hook and a left uppercut would just put people into orbit.
00:49:10.000 Just terrifying power.
00:49:13.000 He's just one of those guys with power.
00:49:15.000 We were saying, but like, you're born with it.
00:49:17.000 I swear you're born with it 100%.
00:49:19.000 It's not like he's doing a gym workout.
00:49:20.000 Like, explosive.
00:49:22.000 There's a routine to get power like that.
00:49:23.000 You can see power like that.
00:49:23.000 You can enhance your power, but I think the type of power that like Paul Daly has or, you know, like a Thomas Hitman's Hearn type power.
00:49:33.000 Or Deontay Wilder, he's the best example.
00:49:35.000 You're just born with that.
00:49:37.000 You got a gift from God.
00:49:38.000 God gave you a gift to put people into orbit.
00:49:41.000 And this fight is just this crazy example of his cardio.
00:49:46.000 You know, Nick Diaz swam back from Alcatraz, I think seven times.
00:49:52.000 It might be more now.
00:49:54.000 I remember seeing that.
00:49:54.000 Like, he's really big, even during camps, like really big in a triathlon.
00:49:58.000 Yeah.
00:49:58.000 Like, that's how he stays fit.
00:50:00.000 Like, because you can't get this.
00:50:03.000 Or sustain this level of cardio unless cardio is your lifestyle.
00:50:06.000 Yes.
00:50:06.000 Like this is, at this point, cardio is your hobby.
00:50:10.000 Yeah, it's a different thing, right?
00:50:11.000 Just like Mirab.
00:50:12.000 So he's not trying to blitz people ever.
00:50:15.000 He's not trying to hit you with one big bomb and trying to, he's just cooking you.
00:50:19.000 Yeah.
00:50:19.000 And he's bringing you up to a pace that he knows that you can't sustain, but he does every day.
00:50:24.000 Do you reckon that's what burnt him out?
00:50:26.000 Because I swear, it's got to be like, if every fight you turn up and you're like, all right, four rounds to go before I got you, like, you know, you got 20 minutes of cooking a guy, you know what I mean?
00:50:37.000 Yeah.
00:50:37.000 Well, it could be that, but it's also, you got to take into consideration all the years that he's been fighting.
00:50:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:50:43.000 So I've called Nick's first fight in the UFC in 2001, I think.
00:50:54.000 2001.
00:50:55.000 I'm pretty sure it was 2001.
00:50:56.000 I'm pretty sure that was the first time I worked for the UFC in the new era.
00:51:00.000 You know, it was 97, I worked for the old era before Zufa.
00:51:03.000 Yeah.
00:51:03.000 And then it was him versus Robbie Lawler.
00:51:07.000 And he was like 20 years old.
00:51:08.000 Yeah.
00:51:09.000 That was so good.
00:51:10.000 Such good.
00:51:11.000 He had some wars.
00:51:12.000 He just got dropped there so bad.
00:51:14.000 It was 2003.
00:51:15.000 Okay.
00:51:16.000 That's 23 years ago.
00:51:19.000 Yeah.
00:51:20.000 That's crazy.
00:51:21.000 That is a long time to be getting punched in the head.
00:51:24.000 And I think that is a giant fact.
00:51:26.000 Especially with his style.
00:51:27.000 His style was very much in your face.
00:51:30.000 He's going to eat a couple, but he's going to give you four for every one you land.
00:51:33.000 Yeah, and he did a lot of sparring with.
00:51:36.000 What's that, Jay?
00:51:36.000 Take that back.
00:51:37.000 That was just the UFC.
00:51:39.000 His first fight was August 31st, 2001, for IFC Warriors.
00:51:45.000 And was 2003 what event was that?
00:51:50.000 Jeremy Jackson.
00:51:51.000 No, what was the number?
00:51:52.000 UFC.
00:51:55.000 Does it say it?
00:51:57.000 I would have swore it was.
00:51:58.000 UFC 44.
00:51:59.000 UFC 44.
00:52:01.000 July 19th, 2000.
00:52:03.000 Sorry, September 26, 2003.
00:52:05.000 Okay.
00:52:05.000 So that's his.
00:52:06.000 And that's Robbie Lawler?
00:52:08.000 No, Jeremy Jackson.
00:52:09.000 That was his first one?
00:52:09.000 Robbie Lawler was his next one, 2004.
00:52:11.000 Oh, interesting.
00:52:13.000 So Jeremy Jackson was a guy who stopped him earlier in his career.
00:52:16.000 Yeah.
00:52:16.000 Who was a really good boxer.
00:52:19.000 Yeah, this is the end of it.
00:52:20.000 Paul just couldn't take it anymore.
00:52:23.000 And the pace is just fucking insane.
00:52:25.000 He said it doesn't stop, it doesn't slow down.
00:52:27.000 Yeah.
00:52:27.000 But I think, you know.
00:52:28.000 At a certain point in time, everybody's time is up.
00:52:31.000 And if you've been sparring with pro boxers for years and sparring hard for years and training hard and fighting and getting in these crazy wars.
00:52:40.000 The type of fights, yeah.
00:52:41.000 The type of fights that you're in.
00:52:42.000 Remember when he fought Anderson Silva and he was getting bored, so he just laid down and put his hands on his head like this?
00:52:49.000 Like, only he could do that.
00:52:51.000 It was awesome.
00:52:52.000 Only he could.
00:52:53.000 It was amazing.
00:52:54.000 I mean, it was like, even though he lost the fight, I was like, that was fucking great.
00:52:59.000 It was so entertaining.
00:53:00.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:53:01.000 It's like, because he.
00:53:03.000 He knew Anderson just wanted to counter strike and just walk back on the fence, so he just didn't engage.
00:53:07.000 Right.
00:53:07.000 And then nothing was happening.
00:53:09.000 I know.
00:53:10.000 There were a few guys who figured that out with Anderson.
00:53:12.000 Yeah.
00:53:13.000 That if you don't do anything, he doesn't do anything.
00:53:14.000 Yeah.
00:53:15.000 Yeah.
00:53:15.000 Which is crazy.
00:53:17.000 Yeah.
00:53:18.000 And because during his prime, he was running through people.
00:53:21.000 Before people worked it out, before there was like a ton of tape on him, before they found that, and before also Anderson's age and the amount of fights he had caught up with him, he was untouchable.
00:53:30.000 Untouchable.
00:53:30.000 Unstoppable.
00:53:32.000 Anderson in his prime was in the Matrix.
00:53:34.000 He was doing things to people where you're like, This is how is he doing it?
00:53:37.000 And it was like, dude, he'd pull these spectacular techniques out of nowhere.
00:53:40.000 Like Vitor, that front kick to the face.
00:53:43.000 It was just like, My Lord.
00:53:46.000 He was in the Matrix.
00:53:47.000 He just saw things that other people couldn't see.
00:53:49.000 There was a time, and I always say that you have to look at elite fighters in their absolute prime.
00:53:56.000 You can't look at them like BJ Penn later, and he's my best example of that.
00:54:00.000 You can't look at the BJ Penn Frankie Edgar fight and say, That's BJ Penn.
00:54:04.000 No, you got to look at, I mean, later in his career, you know?
00:54:06.000 Yeah.
00:54:07.000 You got to look at BJ Penn when he fought Sean Shirk.
00:54:09.000 You got Joe Daddy Stevenson.
00:54:11.000 BJ Penn when he was in his prime.
00:54:14.000 You got to look at that.
00:54:15.000 And I feel like that's the same thing with Anderson.
00:54:17.000 Don't look at him past the broken leg.
00:54:19.000 Look at him before that when he was just starching everybody.
00:54:22.000 Look at him before that when no one could even touch him.
00:54:24.000 And making it look easy.
00:54:26.000 Easy.
00:54:26.000 Like championship fights.
00:54:28.000 Like finishing people easily.
00:54:30.000 Yeah.
00:54:31.000 And having fun.
00:54:32.000 Yeah.
00:54:32.000 Like having the Forrest Griffin fight.
00:54:34.000 Like he was having a good time.
00:54:35.000 Yeah.
00:54:36.000 It's like, that was almost.
00:54:37.000 Dirty too.
00:54:38.000 That was another dirty moment.
00:54:41.000 Some guys are just cold blooded.
00:54:42.000 Cold blooded.
00:54:44.000 Just stepped back and popped him with the right hand.
00:54:46.000 Yeah, and just like kind of mockingly dancing around.
00:54:51.000 Did he get told off once because he was mucking around that much?
00:54:55.000 That was the Damian Meyer fight.
00:54:56.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:57.000 The Damian Meyer fight.
00:54:58.000 Well, I think there's another factor in that fight.
00:55:00.000 So that fight was outside in Abu Dhabi and it was hot and there was fucking.
00:55:08.000 Bugs that were flying around the size of a horse.
00:55:10.000 It wasn't.
00:55:11.000 I didn't know that because I can't imagine how annoying that would be.
00:55:14.000 It was weird.
00:55:16.000 You guys get these weird Middle Eastern bugs, like that you never saw before, flying around.
00:55:21.000 Like, whoa, look at the size of that thing.
00:55:22.000 I was like, this is crazy.
00:55:24.000 And it was outside.
00:55:25.000 So Anderson comes out hot in the first round, like putting it to Maya, trying to put Maya away.
00:55:32.000 But he doesn't wind up putting him away.
00:55:34.000 And so I think he got really fucking tired.
00:55:36.000 And I think he just decided to coast.
00:55:38.000 And then Maya was like kind of chasing after him.
00:55:40.000 And he was just getting out of the way and just doing enough to win a decision.
00:55:43.000 And Dana White was pissed.
00:55:46.000 They got real.
00:55:47.000 Because this is like a big showcase fight.
00:55:49.000 First of all, even though the White House card was awesome, it was a lot of fun, it was a great night.
00:55:55.000 Don't have fights outside.
00:55:57.000 A world championship fight should be fought in a controlled environment.
00:56:01.000 It should be an air conditioned building.
00:56:05.000 It should be a controlled environment that everyone fights in a world championship fight the same way.
00:56:11.000 It's a control.
00:56:12.000 Yes.
00:56:12.000 Yeah.
00:56:13.000 What were some variables?
00:56:14.000 I wasn't there.
00:56:15.000 You were.
00:56:17.000 What are some variables we didn't see?
00:56:19.000 Well, one of them was humidity.
00:56:20.000 And Gaetje talked about that.
00:56:22.000 So there were thunderstorms all around us.
00:56:24.000 Yes.
00:56:24.000 The fights got delayed.
00:56:25.000 Yes.
00:56:26.000 The fights got delayed.
00:56:27.000 And They thought they were going to get delayed way later to like 10 30 p.m., but it wound up passing over us, like literally, miraculously, like literally circled around.
00:56:37.000 Like, they might have done something.
00:56:41.000 Start the engine, hit the thing in the sky.
00:56:44.000 He might have done something, but it's a good time to do something.
00:56:48.000 Yeah, if you really can manipulate the weather, that would be a good time.
00:56:51.000 So there was that, and Justin said that in the first round, he felt it.
00:56:56.000 He's like, you could feel the air was heavy.
00:56:58.000 Yeah.
00:56:58.000 That's a factor.
00:56:59.000 It wasn't that hot.
00:57:01.000 Like when they're fighting is in the 70s, I believe.
00:57:03.000 But 70s with humidity when you're going at it?
00:57:06.000 Oh, yeah.
00:57:07.000 That's not how it's supposed to be.
00:57:08.000 Air conditioned environment should be the same way for every fight.
00:57:12.000 And that Abu Dhabi fight, it was hot.
00:57:15.000 I remember sweating in my shirt and we were outside.
00:57:17.000 And I was like, these boys must be fucking tired.
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00:58:18.000 I'm like a heavy sweater, like a heavy, heavy sweater.
00:58:23.000 So, whenever I do a hard session, like if I have a big sparring day and do some rounds and it's hot, because in Australia, humidity is, we live in it, right?
00:58:31.000 Right.
00:58:33.000 If it's like a hot day and it's humid, by the second round, I'll be dehydrated.
00:58:38.000 That's crazy.
00:58:40.000 I'll be cooked.
00:58:41.000 You know, Gaiji doesn't drink water when he trains.
00:58:44.000 Really?
00:58:45.000 Yeah.
00:58:46.000 He won't drink any water until after his training session's over.
00:58:49.000 Why?
00:58:51.000 He thinks it toughens him up.
00:58:53.000 That's just how he's always done it.
00:58:55.000 He is super tough.
00:58:55.000 He's tough as fuck.
00:58:58.000 That's an adorable motherfucker.
00:59:00.000 I don't know if that'll work for me.
00:59:03.000 Stop drinking water.
00:59:04.000 Will it make me tougher?
00:59:07.000 Or will I just die?
00:59:08.000 I don't know if, but it's like what we were talking about earlier that there's this balance between like drinking and smoking and having fun and being like fucking a marine.
00:59:18.000 Yes.
00:59:19.000 I don't know, man.
00:59:20.000 Yeah.
00:59:21.000 Fighters, what does a special bee say?
00:59:23.000 Like special animals.
00:59:25.000 It's almost like I wish there was a Marvin Hagler in MMA at the same time there's a Carlos Protest.
00:59:31.000 So let's see which way works best.
00:59:33.000 Yes.
00:59:34.000 You know, you got two guys that are special athletes, but one of them gets up at five o'clock in the morning and screaming war and running up sand dunes with combat boots on in the middle of the winter in Cape Cod.
00:59:45.000 That's Marvin Hagler.
00:59:46.000 And yes, Carlos Protest.
00:59:47.000 He's fucking dancing, he's drinking, he's got a Marlboro, and he's just going in there and fucking tuning people up.
00:59:54.000 I don't know.
00:59:55.000 Like, and easily.
00:59:56.000 That last fight was rough to watch.
00:59:59.000 The Jack de la Mandalena fight?
01:00:00.000 Yes, yes.
01:00:02.000 As a page hit patriotic Australian, sitting there and watching that fight was rough.
01:00:06.000 Well, as a fan of Jack's, it's hard to watch.
01:00:09.000 Yeah.
01:00:09.000 He's a great guy and he's an elite fighter.
01:00:12.000 But my goodness, what Protez did to him, like you said it best, it was dirty.
01:00:17.000 Yeah.
01:00:17.000 It was just dirty.
01:00:18.000 It was cold.
01:00:18.000 He was just, it was like an executioner at that point.
01:00:22.000 He's got that step in knee to the left side or from his left side into the liver.
01:00:28.000 God, that's so nasty.
01:00:29.000 He does that so well.
01:00:31.000 He's giving you all these different reads.
01:00:33.000 And he gets so much range on you.
01:00:34.000 Yes.
01:00:35.000 Like, it's, he's like, he fights almost in your face, but he's not there.
01:00:40.000 Right.
01:00:41.000 He's not there.
01:00:41.000 And you go to come to him, and he just leans back and he's gone.
01:00:45.000 Yeah, and pops you from across the cage.
01:00:47.000 And then calf kicks you on the way out.
01:00:49.000 DC said it best.
01:00:50.000 We were talking about this last night.
01:00:51.000 DC said he's built like a mosquito.
01:00:55.000 Just all legs.
01:00:56.000 Like an elite killer mosquito.
01:00:59.000 All legs.
01:00:59.000 All limbs, long limbs, but the Power.
01:01:02.000 Yes.
01:01:03.000 The Leon Edwards left hand, my goodness.
01:01:05.000 That left him cold.
01:01:07.000 And the way he covered distance with that shot, too.
01:01:10.000 He's so good, man.
01:01:12.000 Yeah, he is.
01:01:13.000 And he's so, so exciting to watch.
01:01:15.000 Just like Hoofy.
01:01:17.000 Yeah.
01:01:17.000 Hoofy.
01:01:18.000 I know he lost to Armin, but did you see the one shot he threw from across the case?
01:01:22.000 He covered like two meters.
01:01:23.000 Yeah.
01:01:24.000 Hit him in the eye.
01:01:25.000 His eye blew up straight away.
01:01:26.000 It was so.
01:01:28.000 No, Hoofy's dangerous.
01:01:29.000 He's dangerous and long.
01:01:31.000 It's just like Armin had the perfect.
01:01:33.000 Strategy, the perfect strategy.
01:01:35.000 Just get him up against the cage, land elbows.
01:01:38.000 And the way he went for the single, you know, and then he's like defending his head straight up in the air and boom, caught him with one and he was like out cold and he held him up to hit him with the second one.
01:01:49.000 Yeah.
01:01:50.000 Almonds.
01:01:51.000 Almonds are beasts.
01:01:52.000 And rich.
01:01:53.000 I hate that.
01:01:54.000 No sense.
01:01:56.000 He grew up really rich.
01:01:58.000 I don't know why.
01:01:59.000 Like he just, he's my life, my life sport, my lifeblood on this earth for my family is his hobby.
01:02:08.000 And then it annoys me.
01:02:11.000 It's like, he just turns up at the highest level to play.
01:02:16.000 And he doesn't have to.
01:02:18.000 It kills me.
01:02:19.000 And there's always this narrative that we were told that rich people can't fight.
01:02:25.000 The rich guy's son is never going to be the toughest guy.
01:02:27.000 It's always the poor guys.
01:02:28.000 Yeah, because he fights like he's poor.
01:02:32.000 That's what's crazy.
01:02:32.000 He fights like he grew up in the ghetto.
01:02:34.000 Yeah, or he fights like he grew up a super soldier.
01:02:39.000 Right.
01:02:39.000 You know, maybe he's on the other side of the spectrum.
01:02:41.000 Well, maybe, yeah, he got really good training very early on.
01:02:45.000 Yeah.
01:02:46.000 But also, the thing is, it's like in him.
01:02:49.000 He loves it.
01:02:50.000 Yes.
01:02:50.000 There's no way you could have the kind of money that that guy has and fight that way unless you really love it.
01:02:57.000 And get through a camp.
01:02:59.000 Right.
01:02:59.000 Like, there are too many moments during camp.
01:03:01.000 I'm like, F this.
01:03:03.000 I need this app to go well.
01:03:04.000 I'm like, halfway there.
01:03:12.000 It's just.
01:03:13.000 Well, it's also like he does those Sam Calavera workouts.
01:03:16.000 Do you know those?
01:03:17.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?
01:03:18.000 Okay.
01:03:19.000 So, there's this guy who TJ Dillshaw credits with a lot of his strength and conditioning and the reason why he had such a crazy gas tank.
01:03:26.000 And Aaron Pico, he trains with him.
01:03:28.000 Hamzad trains with him.
01:03:30.000 Hamzad started training with him fairly recently.
01:03:32.000 But Sam Calavita, he comes from a cycling background and, you know, like a real scientific approach to cardio.
01:03:40.000 And these guys do these fucking insane cardio strength and conditioning workouts in a garage in California.
01:03:48.000 So, you got all these elite fighters, and this, you know, Middle class residential neighborhood.
01:03:52.000 Guy fucking lifts up his garage door and you got these assassins on your fucking driveway doing like whipping chains and shit and doing all these crazy medicine ball workouts.
01:04:02.000 See if you can find some of that.
01:04:05.000 They call it the garage.
01:04:06.000 It's just what it's called the garage.
01:04:07.000 And this garage is just filled with strength and cardio equipment.
01:04:13.000 So they're all talking about it here.
01:04:15.000 Yeah.
01:04:16.000 Let me see if you can show some of the workouts.
01:04:19.000 Is he going to show it?
01:04:20.000 These guys are all cardio machines.
01:04:21.000 Yeah.
01:04:21.000 And it's all in his.
01:04:24.000 Okay, they're not, that's not good.
01:04:26.000 But I know from Armin's YouTube channel, he had a bunch of it where he was training with Hamzat at Cala Vita's place.
01:04:34.000 Yes.
01:04:34.000 Along with a bunch of Juan Archuleta was there, a bunch of like elite MMA fighters are there training.
01:04:42.000 And it looks like hell.
01:04:44.000 It looks like just complete holy hell.
01:04:46.000 Cub Swanson had an interesting take on it though, because Cub worked out there too.
01:04:51.000 And he said he feels like he had some of his worst performances when he did his cardio sessions there.
01:04:56.000 And he thinks because he just takes too much out of you.
01:05:00.000 He goes, The guy just breaks you down too much.
01:05:03.000 He goes, There's like a fine line, and I think he passes that line.
01:05:08.000 So they think, just in the street.
01:05:11.000 I think the thing is, though, if you're just doing a cardio based sport like cycling, obviously it's power and there's some technique to it, but it's not the same sort of give and take, completely open ended, improvising thing that MMA is.
01:05:30.000 So.
01:05:31.000 You can't just have cardio.
01:05:33.000 You also have to have the ability to have all of those movements just razor sharp honed.
01:05:41.000 All your skills razor sharp.
01:05:43.000 And sometimes when you're broken down from strength and conditioning, when you go to do your skills, your skills feel sloppier.
01:05:51.000 They don't feel the same way.
01:05:54.000 I know when I used to work out at Carlson Gracie's place, one of the things that I didn't like, no disrespect, but one of the things that I didn't like is they put you through this grueling, Strength and conditioning thing before you would do your skills.
01:06:07.000 And I was like, hmm, why would you want to be exhausted when you're learning something?
01:06:12.000 I think it's a good thing if you're just trying to get in shape and have a real hard workout.
01:06:16.000 And yeah, you should know what it feels like to wrestle tired.
01:06:18.000 But also, shouldn't you learn all this stuff when you're fresh?
01:06:22.000 Yeah.
01:06:23.000 Because the idea is not to gas, right?
01:06:24.000 Exactly.
01:06:25.000 And that comes from efficiency.
01:06:26.000 Yes.
01:06:27.000 I think if you're going to do strength and conditioning like that, it should be after your skill work.
01:06:32.000 This is my personal opinion.
01:06:33.000 I think skill work should be done when you're not tired.
01:06:38.000 Definitely.
01:06:38.000 You should learn all those sharp movements, all the counters, all the things.
01:06:42.000 It should be sharp.
01:06:43.000 If you're exhausted and your abs are fucking killing you and your neck is stiff and you're like, it's like you're a little more labored with stuff.
01:06:53.000 You don't have the confidence and you don't have the neural pathways of the sharpness.
01:06:58.000 You know how sometimes you learn a move and then you get it and you finally get it?
01:07:02.000 And then you're hitting pads or something and you just, TOMAP!
01:07:05.000 You just get it.
01:07:06.000 It's like it's there.
01:07:07.000 And now it's in your head like, oh, I know that path.
01:07:10.000 I know that path.
01:07:12.000 If all of a sudden that path gets sloppy, then you start thinking do I know it?
01:07:16.000 Do I know it the way I think I know it?
01:07:18.000 Can I land this at will?
01:07:20.000 If I see the opening, can I go?
01:07:21.000 Or will it be a fraction of a second slow?
01:07:24.000 Will it be a little off?
01:07:26.000 And you don't want, like, if you go into these sessions tired, you don't want to get used to being tired.
01:07:32.000 I know they say you've got to train for when you're tired, but you don't want to get used to being tired.
01:07:37.000 Right.
01:07:38.000 So I feel like that starts you off at, like, a funny level.
01:07:41.000 You know?
01:07:42.000 And, like, another thing is what did you just pull up there, Jamie?
01:07:45.000 I asked Perplexity if there's any benefits to hard or athletic training, hard cardio before skill work.
01:07:51.000 And, And it says, yes, let me see that.
01:07:52.000 Let me see what it says that.
01:07:54.000 Yes, there can be benefits, but it depends on whether you're trying to learn a skill or execute an established one under fatigue.
01:07:59.000 Yeah, that's true.
01:08:00.000 But the thing is, you're always learning.
01:08:02.000 That's the thing about technique in terms of MMA.
01:08:04.000 It's so comprehensive.
01:08:06.000 Hard cardio isn't automatically better preparation for skill work.
01:08:09.000 Fatigue commonly reduces the quality of a sport specific technique.
01:08:12.000 That's exactly what we're talking about.
01:08:14.000 And your mental focus, though, that's not limitless.
01:08:20.000 Right.
01:08:21.000 Everyone's done a cardio session where it's so hard, you start to.
01:08:26.000 Like your own brain starts to try to escape on you.
01:08:28.000 Yes.
01:08:29.000 You know, you find it hard to be in the moment where you are.
01:08:32.000 Yes.
01:08:33.000 Because you're just, you're tired.
01:08:35.000 You're tired.
01:08:35.000 If you take that into a skills session, you're not going to.
01:08:40.000 I personally, I can't work under like that because.
01:08:43.000 Yeah, I think skill is for fresh people.
01:08:46.000 Yeah.
01:08:47.000 And I think there's a real benefit to like flow rolling.
01:08:51.000 There's a real benefit to like shadow sparring where you're just touching and moving and it's just, you're just building pathways in your mind.
01:08:59.000 But then there's also like a giant benefit to just breaking down the machine and pushing the fucking machine to its red line and forcing it to recover and build a stronger base.
01:09:09.000 And it's a balance, though.
01:09:11.000 I don't think, like, whilst it has a place, and I do it as well, I use the assault bikes and treadmills and everything else.
01:09:18.000 I think, though, if you want to break yourself doing something, it needs to be in the craft you're doing.
01:09:23.000 Like, if you want to get fitter wrestling, you have to wrestle, you have to be put in those positions.
01:09:28.000 If you want to see where your skills take you under fatigue, you have to wrestle to fatigue.
01:09:32.000 You have to grapple to fatigue.
01:09:35.000 Well, that's GSP's approach.
01:09:36.000 Yeah.
01:09:37.000 Later in his career.
01:09:38.000 Later in his career, he essentially abandoned all the strength and conditioning and just did sports specific training.
01:09:43.000 Just did hard rounds in the bag, hard rounds sparring, hard rounds drilling.
01:09:48.000 Because that's also what makes your body hard.
01:09:50.000 Like, you need to be used to contact and stuff.
01:09:54.000 There's been heaps of camps where I've like torn a calf muscle.
01:09:58.000 So I've done like the back end of it just on like treadmills and assault and like.
01:10:03.000 Treadmills, concept twos, that sort of stuff.
01:10:05.000 Not treadmills, sorry.
01:10:05.000 Concept twos, assault bikes.
01:10:07.000 Too many ski ergs.
01:10:09.000 Too many camps have ended this way.
01:10:11.000 And it just takes a mental toll on you having to push yourself to redline in those sessions.
01:10:18.000 It's just.
01:10:18.000 Well, you know, that brings me to BJ Penn's prime because one of the things that I've talked about a bunch of times is he didn't really do much sports specific training in his prime for camps.
01:10:30.000 He would do the camps with Marb Marinovich.
01:10:32.000 And Marb Marinovich, who was a.
01:10:34.000 He's his philosophy was you already know how to fight.
01:10:38.000 What we're going to do is give you the most insane gas tank, and then you're going to go in there free as a bird because you're never going to think about cardio, you're just going to be able to perform.
01:10:46.000 Yeah, and so it was all plyometrics like crazy plyometrics and all these weird box jumps and all this different shit.
01:10:53.000 And every day, just getting broken down, broken down every day.
01:10:58.000 But he would show up shredded and just looking like an absolute demon.
01:11:04.000 And he had been doing very little in terms of like sparring, very little mitt training.
01:11:09.000 And the philosophy was you already know how to fight.
01:11:12.000 Yeah.
01:11:12.000 Like, take that thought and just throw it into this six, eight week camp of insane cardio and plyometrics.
01:11:20.000 I think that's where I've kind of pushed my own training in this, in light heavyweight, in the later end of my career.
01:11:27.000 It's just, it's like being happy, enjoying the process.
01:11:31.000 Because by this stage, I know how to fight or I'm in trouble.
01:11:36.000 Either I got it by now or I'm not going to get it.
01:11:42.000 So it's like we don't need to work skills as much as.
01:11:45.000 Review, revise, and just practice.
01:11:48.000 So I do a lot of mitt work.
01:11:50.000 I do a lot of light sparring, movement, shadow sparring sort of work.
01:11:55.000 I do a lot of rounds in the gi and different positions to work.
01:11:59.000 In the gi, really.
01:12:00.000 What is the benefit you think in the gi for MMA training?
01:12:06.000 If you want to learn jujitsu, I'm a big believer in gi.
01:12:10.000 I'm a big believer in gi.
01:12:12.000 Obviously, it's different, but a lot of gi guys can transition from gi to no gi.
01:12:19.000 It's very hard the other way around.
01:12:21.000 Yes.
01:12:21.000 You know?
01:12:22.000 So it's.
01:12:23.000 And I think Damian Meyer was a big believer in gi work.
01:12:26.000 Well, a lot of the Brazilians are.
01:12:27.000 Yeah.
01:12:28.000 It's a religion.
01:12:29.000 Yeah.
01:12:31.000 The gi.
01:12:31.000 For good reason.
01:12:32.000 Jujitsu is all about the gi, my friend.
01:12:33.000 You need the gi.
01:12:34.000 Don't abandon the gi.
01:12:36.000 Like, people got real mad.
01:12:37.000 I don't know.
01:12:37.000 You weren't around back then?
01:12:39.000 The early days of gi, no gi, right?
01:12:42.000 The early days.
01:12:42.000 Like, when did you start training?
01:12:44.000 Well, it would have been 2000.
01:12:48.000 Like, for MMA?
01:12:49.000 Yeah.
01:12:49.000 It would have been like 2015.
01:12:52.000 Right.
01:12:53.000 So, in like 2001, 2002, 2000 ish, was when people started doing no ghee, and a lot of the Brazilians did not like it.
01:13:03.000 Yeah, no.
01:13:04.000 There's a lot that still don't like it.
01:13:06.000 Loyalty to the ghee that was crazy.
01:13:09.000 So, when Eddie Bravo branched off and started Tenth Planet, which was 2003, it was very controversial.
01:13:15.000 Like, what is this guy?
01:13:17.000 This guy abandoned the ghee.
01:13:18.000 It was like, it was a real problem, man.
01:13:21.000 That sounds crazy now because there's so many elite Brazilians that are in El Gui.
01:13:25.000 They've kind of, just like they abandoned the idea that leg locks are bad.
01:13:28.000 Yeah.
01:13:29.000 Yeah.
01:13:29.000 If you did a leg lock back then in a tournament, even though it was legal, everybody would boo.
01:13:33.000 Yeah.
01:13:34.000 And you'd get beat up afterward, probably.
01:13:35.000 Right.
01:13:36.000 Heel hooks, people would be furious at you.
01:13:38.000 You know what's great about the gi in terms of, in terms of like a jiu jitsu side of things, especially like in trend, like for MMA as well, is that you can't make as many mistakes in the gi.
01:13:49.000 Yes.
01:13:49.000 You can't.
01:13:50.000 It makes your positioning and your decision making.
01:13:53.000 So much more vital because let's be honest, if you're an athletic guy, you can get pretty far in no gi.
01:14:01.000 You can explode out of that.
01:14:02.000 You can explode over a lot of things.
01:14:04.000 I've jumped into beginner classes, and a really strong guy will still like shove me from mount or from the half guard because I'm just not ready for him to just bench press me.
01:14:15.000 You know what I mean?
01:14:15.000 Right, right, right.
01:14:16.000 It's just like these crazy beginner sort of stuff.
01:14:19.000 Right, but if you're grabbing a hold of his gi, he's not doing any of that.
01:14:22.000 Yeah, well, and you can't make mistakes because if you make a mistake, you.
01:14:26.000 That gets capitalized on.
01:14:27.000 And you get into a bad position.
01:14:29.000 Then you're working from that bad position.
01:14:31.000 Like you're actually punished for errors.
01:14:33.000 I feel like a lot more so.
01:14:35.000 Obviously, in Nogetti, there's plenty of that as well, especially the highest level.
01:14:39.000 I think there's definitely something to it.
01:14:41.000 Jean-Jacques Machado's approach was very interesting because, you know, Jean-Jacques was born with only a thumb on his left hand.
01:14:49.000 So he has a right hand that's a full hand, but he was born with just a thumb.
01:14:53.000 So Jean-Jacques never relied on collar chokes and grabbing cuffs.
01:14:58.000 His technique was overhooks and underhooks.
01:15:01.000 So when he went to Abu Dhabi, his technique right into Nogi immediately translated because he was using wrestling based holds.
01:15:09.000 Yeah.
01:15:09.000 He was a lot of it was overhooks and underhooks.
01:15:11.000 Same systems.
01:15:12.000 Yes.
01:15:12.000 Same system.
01:15:13.000 So when I learned from him, I did that.
01:15:16.000 I did his style.
01:15:17.000 And that was like, because I'm still going to do no gi with Eddie.
01:15:20.000 So I was doing no gi at 10th Planet and I was doing gi at John Jacques.
01:15:24.000 So I just decided to do it John Jacques style.
01:15:27.000 John Jacques style was like, the gi is great defensively because you have to have excellent position and you have to have good defense.
01:15:33.000 You have to make sure that you're doing the right thing because you're not going to just yank yourself out of an armbar.
01:15:37.000 It's not like when you're sweaty and you can just kind of explode out of things and squirm and move real quick.
01:15:42.000 You can't do any of that shit.
01:15:43.000 You're trapped.
01:15:44.000 So defensively, I felt like it was very, but I also felt like offensively, I should just do all the things that I do no gi and ignore the gi and just, except a clock choke.
01:15:55.000 I can't pass up on a clock choke.
01:15:58.000 If I can get that grip inside and I get that hand on the underarm, I can spin under.
01:16:02.000 Ooh, I love that.
01:16:04.000 That's a ninja move, man.
01:16:06.000 I love me a clock choke.
01:16:08.000 But other than that, I felt like offensively, in terms of controlling people, I was going to ignore the gi.
01:16:14.000 I was just going to only use grips that were wrestling based grips.
01:16:19.000 And so that's how I. I'm very much the same.
01:16:21.000 And my coach kind of teaches that way as well.
01:16:24.000 All my chokes in the G even are still just head and arm, rear, rear, naked chokes.
01:16:29.000 The real simple ones.
01:16:31.000 Yeah, the basics.
01:16:32.000 Yeah.
01:16:33.000 Well, look at Marcelo Garcia.
01:16:34.000 He's like my favorite example.
01:16:36.000 Marcelo, almost all of his victories by submission came from chokes.
01:16:41.000 Almost all of them.
01:16:42.000 He beat Rico Rodriguez in Absolute in Abu Dhabi with a heel hook, which was crazy.
01:16:47.000 But in all the other fights that he had, Every one of those submissions, I think, was a choke.
01:16:55.000 I don't think I've ever seen him get anybody in an arm bar.
01:16:57.000 I'm sure he has, but I've never seen it.
01:16:59.000 Well, chokes can't be defended.
01:17:01.000 Right.
01:17:02.000 Right.
01:17:02.000 Like in a lot of high level guys, you'll see let their knees go, let their arms go.
01:17:07.000 Like, especially in fighting, especially in MMA.
01:17:10.000 How many times have you seen like an arm bust out or like heel hook in the knees?
01:17:16.000 Or Corey Sanhagen blew his knee apart in his last fight.
01:17:19.000 And that doesn't stop the fight, though.
01:17:21.000 If you're good, like, you're good.
01:17:23.000 Yeah.
01:17:24.000 Until it's over.
01:17:25.000 But choking.
01:17:26.000 Right.
01:17:26.000 Like you're not.
01:17:27.000 You go out.
01:17:27.000 Yeah, you're gone.
01:17:28.000 Yeah.
01:17:28.000 That's it.
01:17:29.000 It's over.
01:17:29.000 That was Marcelo's approach.
01:17:30.000 No Kimura's.
01:17:31.000 He said Kimura was a strongman move.
01:17:33.000 You have to be strong to pull it off.
01:17:35.000 Yes, you do.
01:17:36.000 So his whole thing was just get a hold of the necks.
01:17:38.000 High elbow guillotine, rear naked choke, anything you can do, head and arm choke, you know, whatever he could do is just get a hold of the neck.
01:17:45.000 You know, he had a crazy north south choke.
01:17:48.000 His north south choke is excellent.
01:17:50.000 Just, he just figured out how to be like a master neck squeezer.
01:17:53.000 Yeah.
01:17:54.000 Yeah.
01:17:54.000 And just find those right positioning.
01:17:56.000 Some guys are just.
01:17:57.000 Good at it though.
01:17:59.000 Just like MMA, there are guys that are born, gifted, and talented for the craft.
01:18:04.000 Craig Jones, a freak.
01:18:05.000 Oh, yeah.
01:18:06.000 He's a freak.
01:18:08.000 But he's also a guy who loves jiu jitsu.
01:18:11.000 Yes.
01:18:12.000 He loves the game and being skillful and setting traps and catching people.
01:18:16.000 He's looking for it.
01:18:17.000 He loves seeing the different things, what works, what doesn't work.
01:18:22.000 His approach to it is so intellectual, but he's good enough to be able to implement it.
01:18:27.000 And he's always having a good time.
01:18:31.000 That's the thing, right?
01:18:32.000 He always looks like he's having a good time.
01:18:34.000 He's having a blast.
01:18:35.000 He is the funniest fucking guy in jujitsu by a long shot.
01:18:39.000 He's like a professional comedian.
01:18:41.000 He easily, if he retired from competing, could become a professional comic.
01:18:45.000 I really believe that.
01:18:47.000 The dude's hilarious.
01:18:48.000 When he had that intergender fight with Gabby Garcia and he kissed her and she got mad at him.
01:18:57.000 He's so silly.
01:18:59.000 He's so silly.
01:19:00.000 But that silliness is like a mask that covers up this assassin.
01:19:06.000 Yeah.
01:19:06.000 Like, when you start training with him and do, and like you watch him train with like elite guys and he catches them and stuff, you're like, oh, fuck, man, that's slick.
01:19:15.000 It's like, so I've rolled with him and it's like you're drowning.
01:19:18.000 It's just, you're just wondering how this ends.
01:19:20.000 Like, what he's going to finish you with.
01:19:24.000 Now, what's crazy is imagine Gordon can do that to him.
01:19:28.000 That's what's crazy.
01:19:29.000 Well, Gordon could do that to everybody.
01:19:31.000 That's what's crazy.
01:19:31.000 I've thought about this.
01:19:32.000 I've thought, like, how would I go about fighting those dudes?
01:19:35.000 And I'd be like, I'm doing everything in my power to not get grabbed at all.
01:19:42.000 Because it's over.
01:19:43.000 Once you get sucked into it, you can't play safe with these guys.
01:19:46.000 Well, especially with Gordon.
01:19:48.000 He's so good at controlling people because he doesn't have an athletic based style at all.
01:19:53.000 He talks about it.
01:19:53.000 He says, I'm not an athletic guy, I don't move fast.
01:19:56.000 So all of my jujitsu is control based.
01:19:58.000 And it's also when he gets a hold of you, that's it.
01:20:02.000 It's over.
01:20:03.000 Yeah.
01:20:03.000 Hicks and Gracie said this to me once.
01:20:04.000 It was like the dopest fucking conversation I ever had with him.
01:20:08.000 I've had a few with him that are pretty cool, but we're over his house.
01:20:11.000 And we're watching some fight tapes.
01:20:13.000 It was me and him and his son, Krone.
01:20:16.000 And we're sitting there and we're watching these fight tapes.
01:20:20.000 And he's explaining what these guys are doing wrong.
01:20:23.000 He was watching this like Mario Sperry fight.
01:20:25.000 That'd be so cool.
01:20:26.000 It was the dopest shit ever.
01:20:27.000 That'd be so cool.
01:20:28.000 And he was talking about how these guys are losing position.
01:20:31.000 And he goes, We all started a neutral position, we all started zero.
01:20:35.000 And he goes, And once I go to one, I'm not going back to zero.
01:20:40.000 I'm going to two, I'm going to three, I'm going to checkmate.
01:20:44.000 And it was like so intense when he was saying it.
01:20:46.000 It was like, but it was like, this is a fact.
01:20:49.000 Yeah.
01:20:50.000 If I get you in a position, you're not getting out of it, and I'm advancing to the next spot, and I'm advancing to the next spot, and then checkmate.
01:21:00.000 And when he was saying it, I was like, oh shit.
01:21:02.000 Yeah.
01:21:02.000 It was the dopest conversation.
01:21:04.000 These guys are like samurais of today.
01:21:06.000 Oh, yeah.
01:21:07.000 Like that mentality they have, that is the way of the warrior.
01:21:11.000 Well, Hickson was a true pioneer too with physical training.
01:21:16.000 Yeah.
01:21:16.000 So, Hickson was like the first jiu jitsu guy to adopt extreme flexibility, yoga, cold plunges.
01:21:23.000 He was doing these cold plunges in the glacial rivers in Japan before he fought in Japan Valley Tudo.
01:21:30.000 It's in the video.
01:21:31.000 You can see it.
01:21:31.000 It was cool.
01:21:32.000 It was fucking freezing cold water, and he's in there just fucking ah, ah.
01:21:37.000 It's amazing.
01:21:38.000 He was doing neck exercises with like bands where he was like going upstairs or pulling against a tree with a fucking thing to control his neck muscles and strengthen his neck muscles.
01:21:49.000 He was doing shit that nobody had figured out.
01:21:51.000 SC years ahead of the game.
01:21:52.000 Way ahead of the game.
01:21:53.000 Yeah.
01:21:54.000 Balance work, balance beam stuff where he's doing a standing split on a balance beam.
01:21:59.000 Yeah.
01:21:59.000 Well, you know, and that sort of stuff is so vital for MMA because you're just, there is no controlled position.
01:22:07.000 Right.
01:22:07.000 Like, because you're constantly moving with, like, obviously the external variable is the opponent who's trying to do things to you.
01:22:15.000 And you're kind of working with that whilst trying to do your own things.
01:22:18.000 And you're never in a position where your body's controlled.
01:22:22.000 Like it's very imbalanced.
01:22:23.000 So, doing a lot of these imbalanced sort of exercises and balance exercises where you're strengthening one muscle or flexing one muscle or turning one on, they're so important.
01:22:34.000 That's why I think you mentioned it or we started to just beforehand.
01:22:38.000 Gymnastics as a baseline for anything, anything is just the best.
01:22:47.000 Yeah, gymnastics are so physically strong to be able to throw yourself in the air and land on your feet and move around like that, like that dude who did the front flip to the axe kick.
01:22:55.000 Yeah.
01:22:55.000 We found out with breakdancing.
01:22:58.000 So, one of the things that happened with Tent Planet was they started bringing in breakdancers.
01:23:07.000 And Eddie Bravo realized, like, oh my God, Gio Martinez and Richie Martinez.
01:23:11.000 These two guys were excellent breakdancers.
01:23:13.000 They do all this crazy shit, like hop on one hand and do like a handstand and do a lotus with your legs without even touching your feet.
01:23:21.000 Crazy stuff.
01:23:22.000 Yeah.
01:23:22.000 But that ability to control your body, we realized translates directly to jujitsu.
01:23:28.000 Yeah, it does.
01:23:29.000 So, Eddie started like, Breakdancing to like help jujitsu.
01:23:33.000 Eddie's super open minded.
01:23:35.000 He'll try anything.
01:23:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:23:36.000 And he sees someone that's really good.
01:23:37.000 He's like, What are you doing?
01:23:38.000 How do you do that?
01:23:38.000 Like, if someone does something in a class, they'll stop the whole class.
01:23:41.000 Is that, did you make that up?
01:23:43.000 Did you invent that?
01:23:43.000 Yeah.
01:23:44.000 Show us how you do it.
01:23:44.000 And he'll have everybody go through, Well, I do this, but I find that they counted that.
01:23:48.000 So I'm holding it like this now.
01:23:49.000 And everybody's like, Oh.
01:23:51.000 And then they'll study it and break it down.
01:23:53.000 Yeah.
01:23:53.000 So he saw these guys breakdancing.
01:23:54.000 He's like, Wait, wait, why the fuck are you so strong?
01:23:57.000 Like, what's going on here?
01:23:58.000 So you said, Can Eddie breakdance?
01:23:59.000 I don't know if he really got good at it, but I know he was definitely learning some of the stuff.
01:24:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:24:04.000 Just as a strength and conditioning routine.
01:24:06.000 Yeah.
01:24:06.000 Well, I was super lucky.
01:24:07.000 So early on in my career, like most, MMA was still very new.
01:24:12.000 So the information wasn't out there today.
01:24:15.000 Like today, you can get a full information plan off AI.
01:24:19.000 Right, right, right.
01:24:20.000 And just find out anything you want.
01:24:22.000 But I was super lucky to meet my wife as early as I did because her background is elite gymnastics.
01:24:28.000 And elite gymnastics, like, they're animals.
01:24:30.000 Oh, yeah.
01:24:31.000 Their whole life is one long camp.
01:24:33.000 Because they can't stop, because they can't put on weight, they can't do it.
01:24:36.000 Like, it's just, they're just in it forever until they're not.
01:24:41.000 It is wild.
01:24:41.000 Like, every day is performance based, it's like long hours.
01:24:45.000 So, her mentality really kind of led me into my craft and me in my early days.
01:24:54.000 Did she teach you gymnastics?
01:24:56.000 She tried.
01:24:57.000 She tried.
01:24:58.000 She tried.
01:24:58.000 Like, and there's a lot, like, she was the one that made me realize how important a strong core is.
01:25:06.000 Like a strong core.
01:25:07.000 The core is everything.
01:25:08.000 Like, as a person, like just being able to move and walk around, and especially with the dynamic movements of MMA and fighting.
01:25:14.000 It's like, so, but she was actually the one that, like, she was my nutritionist.
01:25:18.000 She was, like, my strength and conditioning coach at one point.
01:25:20.000 Wow.
01:25:21.000 Because she had, like, the health science background and sports science background.
01:25:26.000 And, oh, how convenient.
01:25:27.000 And I was just a poor kid that could fight.
01:25:31.000 That's awesome, though.
01:25:32.000 What a great combination.
01:25:33.000 Lucky.
01:25:34.000 Super lucky.
01:25:35.000 Yeah.
01:25:36.000 I think a lot of people neglect core work, like, real core work, like, rotational core work.
01:25:41.000 I know I did for a long time, and I just started doing it a few years ago, like really getting into rotational work, like a lot of heavy cable rotational work and kettlebell rotational work.
01:25:51.000 Man, I was doing it out of necessity because I kept getting injured.
01:25:54.000 I was getting certain lower back injuries that were like a repetitive use injury.
01:26:00.000 And I said, I think there's an imbalance.
01:26:03.000 So a lot of it I was getting from archery.
01:26:05.000 So I was getting this tendonitis on my lower right side.
01:26:09.000 And what it is is because I'm pulling back with one arm.
01:26:13.000 Like a hundred times a day.
01:26:14.000 Yeah.
01:26:14.000 And I'm not doing anything on the other side.
01:26:16.000 Yeah.
01:26:16.000 So all my stability is on this side.
01:26:18.000 I'm like pulling back on that side and I'm locking myself in place.
01:26:22.000 And it started to fuck with me.
01:26:23.000 And so I went to a physical therapist and he started recommending some, and one of them was rotational shit.
01:26:27.000 Yeah.
01:26:28.000 And then as soon as I started doing it, I was like, why wasn't I doing this my whole life?
01:26:32.000 Exactly.
01:26:32.000 This is so stupid.
01:26:33.000 I'm such a moron.
01:26:34.000 Yeah.
01:26:34.000 Yeah.
01:26:35.000 It's like, it's so vital.
01:26:36.000 It's like, it's like all your other physical capabilities get capped at like 80%.
01:26:43.000 Having that strong core just unlocks that.
01:26:45.000 Yeah.
01:26:46.000 It just makes your whole body stronger.
01:26:48.000 And just like living, living is better.
01:26:50.000 Pick up your kids without pulling a, like, bobbing a hernia.
01:26:53.000 Yeah, it improves everything.
01:26:55.000 It really does.
01:26:55.000 They say that, like, if you do those, you know, those hanging foot to bar moves, just a hanging foot to bar, that improves your deadlift, that improves your clean and press, that improves the strength of your chin ups, it improves everything.
01:27:13.000 Just that one move.
01:27:14.000 That's Donahoe's number one move.
01:27:16.000 He said the one move that he says is a must, a mandatory for all athletes, you have to be able to do that.
01:27:22.000 What move is this?
01:27:24.000 So you're hanging, chin up bar, you're hanging, and then you lift your feet up and touch the bar with no momentum.
01:27:29.000 So you have to be.
01:27:30.000 You have to stabilize it at the bottom and then pull it all up and stabilize it at the bottom, pull it off.
01:27:36.000 That one movement, because it's so core intensive, that movement right there.
01:27:41.000 Yeah.
01:27:41.000 So that right there.
01:27:44.000 That's why I have so much respect.
01:27:45.000 You see those guys at like barkings?
01:27:48.000 Oh, yeah, those guys are great.
01:27:49.000 They're like holding out full extension, walking on air.
01:27:52.000 Yeah, man.
01:27:54.000 And just jacked.
01:27:56.000 Jacked.
01:27:58.000 Like, they must only eat salad.
01:28:01.000 Yeah.
01:28:04.000 Like, it doesn't look like you could burn a stupid amount of calories just on bars, but you are right because you're building muscle and the muscle requires more calories, and you're essentially like lifting your own body weight all day.
01:28:17.000 Those guys do it for hours and hours at a time.
01:28:20.000 And I guess, like, having any extra weight would affect this the performance of all this stuff by a great degree.
01:28:28.000 What is this guy doing?
01:28:33.000 He's just using his fingers, but to keep balance, he must be some kind of a rock climber.
01:28:37.000 That's freakish.
01:28:40.000 Yeah, some of these.
01:28:41.000 What is this dude doing?
01:28:42.000 Hey, bro.
01:28:44.000 Are you trying to die?
01:28:46.000 Are you trying to die?
01:28:46.000 Do you understand electricity?
01:28:48.000 This video.
01:28:51.000 Don't do that.
01:28:53.000 Kids at home, don't do that.
01:28:54.000 No, that is terrible.
01:28:55.000 How can you do that and not die?
01:28:57.000 Are those not power lines?
01:28:58.000 Maybe the power's out.
01:28:59.000 You took a chance.
01:29:00.000 Now's my time.
01:29:01.000 Maybe he did it properly and grounded himself and then went up there for the video.
01:29:05.000 How the fuck do you ground yourself holding on to those?
01:29:08.000 You ever heard what it sounds like for those guys that have to work on those?
01:29:12.000 Power lines, you can just hear the yeah, and you just imagine the kind of power that's going through those fucking things.
01:29:20.000 Electricity is scary, isn't it?
01:29:21.000 Terrifying.
01:29:22.000 Like, I was an electrician for a little bit.
01:29:24.000 Were you really?
01:29:24.000 Yeah, yeah, that's why I started.
01:29:26.000 I was an electrician, no shit.
01:29:27.000 I was an electrician as I was like kind of fighting on the local scenes, professional still, but on the local scenes.
01:29:32.000 And then I got the call up for Ultimate Fighter and I said, I'm gonna take some annual leave when I'm on the Ultimate Fighter.
01:29:38.000 So, did you go through an apprenticeship?
01:29:39.000 Yeah, yeah, I was a fourth year apprentice, so I was supposed to do my capstone, which is the end test, and I was going to do that, and then.
01:29:47.000 The ultimate fighter said, All right, come in.
01:29:48.000 Let's go try you out.
01:29:50.000 I went on the show.
01:29:51.000 I applied for annual leave.
01:29:53.000 Never.
01:29:54.000 Never went back.
01:29:55.000 Never went back.
01:29:55.000 Maybe.
01:29:55.000 I wonder if my job's still there.
01:29:58.000 I have a buddy of mine, my friend.
01:29:59.000 Shout out to Jimmy D'Atilio.
01:30:01.000 Back home in Boston, he worked with this guy who lost his face.
01:30:06.000 He just had some crazy power thing and just scorched his skin all over his whole face.
01:30:12.000 Just got zapped.
01:30:13.000 Just got electrocuted.
01:30:14.000 Yeah.
01:30:14.000 Something went wrong.
01:30:16.000 That's crazy.
01:30:16.000 Like, yeah, electricity is just.
01:30:18.000 And because it's not.
01:30:19.000 Like the damage you get, like there are heaps of people that can get electrocuted and be fine.
01:30:23.000 And then there's heaps that just die straight away.
01:30:26.000 Yeah.
01:30:27.000 My buddy Remy got hit by lightning.
01:30:29.000 No.
01:30:29.000 Yeah.
01:30:30.000 Yeah.
01:30:30.000 When he was young, I think he was in high school.
01:30:32.000 Wow.
01:30:33.000 He lived.
01:30:33.000 But he got fucked up and he woke up on the ground and realized eventually what happened.
01:30:39.000 Yeah.
01:30:40.000 Wow.
01:30:40.000 Yeah.
01:30:42.000 That's good.
01:30:42.000 That's fucking terrifying.
01:30:43.000 Joking, that's a good omen or a bad omen?
01:30:46.000 Neither.
01:30:48.000 If you had to look at it.
01:30:49.000 It's not good because you got hit by lightning.
01:30:51.000 It's not good luck.
01:30:52.000 But you lived.
01:30:53.000 Good luck would be the lightning lands five feet away from you and you're like, fuck, let's get off this mountain.
01:30:58.000 Bad luck is you get hit by lightning, but worse luck is you die.
01:31:03.000 Yeah, I think bad luck would be turning into some charcoal.
01:31:07.000 I wonder, like, is it just like sometimes you live because, like, sometimes you don't get a full blast?
01:31:12.000 Like one of them blasts that, like, cuts a tree in half.
01:31:14.000 You've seen those?
01:31:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:31:17.000 I guess that kills you.
01:31:18.000 That seems like that would kill you.
01:31:20.000 I think, I think, I think the.
01:31:25.000 Lightning has a lot of voltage, not a lot of current.
01:31:30.000 Oh, it can.
01:31:31.000 As an electrician, you can illuminate us a lot.
01:31:33.000 It's the current that kills you.
01:31:35.000 Oh, interesting.
01:31:36.000 What's the difference?
01:31:37.000 What's the difference?
01:31:42.000 I can't tell you right now.
01:31:43.000 Well, you're looking pretty smart five minutes ago.
01:31:46.000 I've been out of the game for a little bit.
01:31:50.000 For a hot minute.
01:31:51.000 I think it's probably you have a heart attack.
01:31:54.000 That's probably what it does to a lot of people.
01:31:55.000 Yes, and it burns you, obviously.
01:31:56.000 Obviously.
01:31:57.000 Yeah.
01:31:58.000 I think it probably just short circuits your entire system.
01:32:01.000 Yeah.
01:32:01.000 Well, that's what a D fib is, right?
01:32:03.000 It's like literally trying to short circuit your heart back.
01:32:05.000 Have you ever seen a video?
01:32:06.000 This is one guy.
01:32:07.000 He's, I think he's in his driveway.
01:32:09.000 He's walking down the driveway.
01:32:11.000 He gets hit by lightning, falls to the ground, goes out, wakes up, starts walking again, gets hit again.
01:32:18.000 Dude gets hit twice.
01:32:21.000 Like, what are the fucking odds?
01:32:23.000 I hope it's real.
01:32:24.000 Once you say what are the odds, the odds are very low.
01:32:27.000 I think it's not real, but.
01:32:29.000 Well, it's an old video.
01:32:30.000 The only reason why I don't think it's AI, it could be fake.
01:32:33.000 You pissed someone off to get hit by Leonard twice.
01:32:36.000 He did something bad.
01:32:37.000 You cheated on your taxes.
01:32:38.000 You did something bad.
01:32:40.000 You did some fraud.
01:32:41.000 You're not going straight to confession afterwards?
01:32:43.000 Yeah, you stole something.
01:32:45.000 You did something, man.
01:32:46.000 You kicked a cat when no one was watching.
01:32:50.000 The two strikes and catching it on video are impossible.
01:32:53.000 But I thought it was a security camera.
01:32:54.000 I thought it was in his driveway.
01:32:56.000 People fake that all the time.
01:32:57.000 No, no, no.
01:32:57.000 Those are all real.
01:32:58.000 No, no, no.
01:32:58.000 No, those are all real, Jamie.
01:33:00.000 Shut the fuck up, Jamie.
01:33:00.000 See, look, he got back up and I was about to get hit again.
01:33:02.000 I don't think that's the guy.
01:33:03.000 No, people fake this all the time.
01:33:05.000 Bro, you can kill that guy with a balloon.
01:33:07.000 That guy is not getting hit by lightning and living.
01:33:10.000 He's got scorch marks.
01:33:11.000 Oh, fuck.
01:33:12.000 Look at the homemade scorch marks.
01:33:13.000 Look at the homemade scorch marks.
01:33:15.000 Look at the homemade scorch marks.
01:33:16.000 I was going to say, he falls down to a bitch ass fake scorch marks.
01:33:19.000 This one actually is not getting hit twice.
01:33:21.000 This is a more recent one, but.
01:33:22.000 That probably is real.
01:33:23.000 I'm just kidding.
01:33:24.000 I get sucked into these videos all the time.
01:33:26.000 I'm sorry, sir, if you got hit by lightning and I'm mocking you.
01:33:29.000 We're just having fun.
01:33:29.000 It's all love.
01:33:30.000 I'm sorry.
01:33:31.000 We're just joking around, sir.
01:33:32.000 Wait a second, sir.
01:33:34.000 I hope he really didn't get hit by lightning.
01:33:36.000 I hope he faked it.
01:33:37.000 Because it's not funny.
01:33:38.000 Getting hit by lightning is not funny.
01:33:39.000 If you live, it's all right.
01:33:40.000 I guess.
01:33:43.000 If he died, it would have been bad.
01:33:45.000 This is the guy.
01:33:46.000 Yeah, that's not.
01:33:47.000 Shut up, Jamie.
01:33:48.000 This is real.
01:33:49.000 You don't know shit, Jamie.
01:33:51.000 This is real.
01:33:53.000 So the guy gets up and he starts walking.
01:33:56.000 Now watch this.
01:33:57.000 He gets hit again.
01:33:59.000 I'm pretty sure this is real, Jamie.
01:34:00.000 Bro, that's real.
01:34:02.000 That's as real as the baby Jesus.
01:34:07.000 He's been struck twice.
01:34:09.000 It's real.
01:34:11.000 Jamie.
01:34:12.000 Come on, Jamie.
01:34:14.000 Tune in next week.
01:34:15.000 Shut up.
01:34:17.000 Why are you ruining everything?
01:34:19.000 Dude.
01:34:21.000 I think that one's real.
01:34:22.000 Yeah, that one's real.
01:34:30.000 Oh, my goodness.
01:34:31.000 It's a fucked up way to go.
01:34:33.000 It's a fucked up way to go.
01:34:35.000 Yeah.
01:34:35.000 A pair of smoking shoes.
01:34:37.000 That's why tasers are wild.
01:34:39.000 You ever seen a dude who's like, Meth up and gets tased and he just starts screaming and pulls the things out of his body.
01:34:43.000 Yeah.
01:34:44.000 Like, how come?
01:34:45.000 There's like six cops, and they're just like, he's in that Hulk rage moment.
01:34:53.000 Yeah, but some people, they just shut off and go straight down to the ground.
01:34:59.000 I want it in my head cannon.
01:35:01.000 I'm that, like, I just rip it off.
01:35:03.000 I take it.
01:35:04.000 I'm probably just like, I'm pretty sure I fall down.
01:35:06.000 I'm sure I fall down stiff as a board.
01:35:08.000 I fall down immediately.
01:35:12.000 You know what?
01:35:12.000 It's not even getting that far.
01:35:13.000 I'm putting my hands up so I know I like.
01:35:15.000 What am I doing?
01:35:16.000 Yeah, don't tase me.
01:35:17.000 I'm happy to comply.
01:35:20.000 Fuck.
01:35:20.000 Yeah, it's just like some people, like Dana White on his show, Dana White's looking for a fight.
01:35:25.000 They all got tased once.
01:35:27.000 Yeah, it was him.
01:35:28.000 I was going to ask if you had done it because it seems like a crazy thing.
01:35:31.000 No, I'm not interested in getting fucking tased.
01:35:34.000 That seems ridiculous.
01:35:36.000 That doesn't seem fun at all.
01:35:37.000 It's just like I don't want to have a heart attack either.
01:35:39.000 What if you get a heart attack?
01:35:40.000 Because it can happen.
01:35:41.000 I think it can.
01:35:42.000 This is a tough situation.
01:35:43.000 This guy is not complying.
01:35:45.000 He's pretty jacked, too.
01:35:47.000 Dude, look at the size.
01:35:48.000 Oh, no, he's ex army.
01:35:49.000 I think I've seen this.
01:35:50.000 He's like ex Navy SEALs or something.
01:35:51.000 I'm going to have to try to tase him with this.
01:35:52.000 And he's got like PTSD.
01:35:54.000 Yeah, he's having a problem.
01:35:55.000 And he's barefoot.
01:35:57.000 Yeah.
01:35:57.000 He's earthing.
01:36:00.000 It doesn't work.
01:36:01.000 You better run.
01:36:02.000 And you know what's crazy?
01:36:03.000 Like, he's a big unit, too.
01:36:05.000 Yeah, he's a big fucker.
01:36:06.000 And why did they send four women cops to deal with him?
01:36:09.000 I like how he's still holding his phone, too.
01:36:11.000 Did you see what he just said?
01:36:13.000 What'd he say?
01:36:13.000 Tase me all day.
01:36:14.000 I love pain.
01:36:15.000 Oh, fine.
01:36:16.000 Some people have just built.
01:36:17.000 Yeah, I don't understand that.
01:36:19.000 So, is it.
01:36:21.000 Some people's bot, because I thought it didn't until I saw a few of these guys online.
01:36:25.000 My original ignorant thought was once they tase you, you get zapped no matter how tough you are.
01:36:31.000 Contracting, you go, everything just fall down.
01:36:33.000 Yeah, that's it.
01:36:34.000 No, apparently not.
01:36:35.000 No, no, apparently.
01:36:36.000 Some people were like, Fuck this.
01:36:38.000 Yeah, that guy didn't even seem bothered by it.
01:36:40.000 No, didn't flinch.
01:36:42.000 That's crazy.
01:36:43.000 Let me see that again.
01:36:43.000 Let me see him get tased.
01:36:45.000 You sure that's real?
01:36:47.000 I think the lightning is real, and that one's fake, Jamie.
01:36:50.000 I think you're right.
01:36:51.000 How about that?
01:36:51.000 I want to see this guy get struck by lightning.
01:36:56.000 It's called pain tolerance, he said.
01:36:59.000 I don't reckon he takes a knee if he gets struck by lightning.
01:37:01.000 They haven't tased him yet.
01:37:02.000 At that point, they did.
01:37:03.000 Where did they tase him at?
01:37:04.000 Let me see.
01:37:06.000 You can hear it.
01:37:06.000 Oh, yeah.
01:37:07.000 Oh, you can see him spaz out and react.
01:37:09.000 You know what is funny?
01:37:11.000 They might not have gotten into him.
01:37:12.000 That was also the thing.
01:37:13.000 You pull it out that easy.
01:37:15.000 When the guys try to make a leg for it, they try to make a bolt for it, and they get hit mid stride.
01:37:21.000 Yeah, that's fun.
01:37:22.000 Those are fun.
01:37:23.000 It says, he said, Get down on the ground.
01:37:25.000 He goes negative.
01:37:27.000 That's not good.
01:37:29.000 That's not good.
01:37:30.000 He's being salty.
01:37:31.000 I'm calling this in.
01:37:31.000 I'm like, I'm going to need backup.
01:37:34.000 Well, he's just depending upon them not shooting him.
01:37:37.000 That's the problem.
01:37:38.000 I don't think he cares either.
01:37:40.000 Well, he should definitely care about that because I don't care how tough you are.
01:37:44.000 Guy unloads his magazine into you, you're going to be dead.
01:37:47.000 Yes.
01:37:47.000 Yeah.
01:37:48.000 I mean, I don't.
01:37:49.000 He's depending on them.
01:37:51.000 Well, who knows what the fucking scenario was?
01:37:53.000 I don't know.
01:37:54.000 Maybe he's right.
01:37:55.000 Who fucking knows?
01:37:56.000 Sometimes people get pulled over for bullshit reasons and they're right to get pissed off.
01:38:00.000 I don't know what happened there.
01:38:01.000 But from my own observation, it looks like the man's a tad unhinged.
01:38:08.000 Yeah.
01:38:08.000 And he's too big to be unhinged.
01:38:11.000 Yeah.
01:38:12.000 Wow.
01:38:13.000 He's a monster of a man.
01:38:14.000 Yeah.
01:38:15.000 I was getting real Stroove vibes.
01:38:17.000 Stefan Stroove.
01:38:18.000 Right, right, right.
01:38:18.000 Stroove vibes from that guy.
01:38:20.000 Stefan Stroove.
01:38:21.000 I forgot about him.
01:38:22.000 Yeah.
01:38:23.000 There's a few of those guys that fought in the UFC that are just so fucking tall.
01:38:26.000 You remember Semi Schult?
01:38:28.000 Yeah.
01:38:28.000 No.
01:38:28.000 Semi Schilt, elite kickboxer, K1 champion from Holland.
01:38:32.000 Nasty front kick, seven feet tall.
01:38:35.000 He was so big.
01:38:36.000 He was just ridiculously tall.
01:38:38.000 And he just would step forward and throw these front kicks and fuck you up with them.
01:38:42.000 Yeah.
01:38:43.000 I feel like I would have been such a good tall fighter.
01:38:47.000 You know what I mean?
01:38:48.000 If I just had like an extra foot or just give me an extra inch, I reckon I could have done some really cool things.
01:38:55.000 How hard was it for you to stay at 170?
01:38:57.000 Like, what was your 170 cut like?
01:39:00.000 Oh, it was nightmarish.
01:39:01.000 It was a sort of thing.
01:39:03.000 It's the sort of thing.
01:39:05.000 Obviously, when I was at 170, I started when I was a teenager.
01:39:09.000 So I started at 18.
01:39:10.000 And then I went, I was 170 until about 23.
01:39:16.000 And it was just getting harder and harder.
01:39:18.000 You know, as you age, you just get bigger and bigger.
01:39:20.000 And I've always been like a naturally heavy guy, heavy set guy.
01:39:23.000 I think it's my moldy jeans.
01:39:27.000 And the last weight cut I did was 7.4 kilos on the day.
01:39:33.000 Ooh.
01:39:34.000 So that's.
01:39:36.000 16 pounds?
01:39:37.000 17 pounds?
01:39:38.000 What is that?
01:39:39.000 Yeah.
01:39:39.000 That's a lot in one day.
01:39:41.000 Yeah, like morning of.
01:39:42.000 Yeah.
01:39:43.000 So that was.
01:39:44.000 What year was this?
01:39:46.000 I would have been 24.
01:39:49.000 24.
01:39:50.000 So what?
01:39:50.000 So, you had like great performances at Welterweight, like really promising performances, but for sure, when you went up to 85, that's when you became Robert Whitaker.
01:40:02.000 That's when you really became.
01:40:03.000 For certain.
01:40:04.000 Yeah.
01:40:05.000 It's like you had found the sweet spot.
01:40:07.000 Yeah.
01:40:07.000 And some people, there's that, the gaps are so enormous between weight classes, which I think is a real problem.
01:40:14.000 Yeah.
01:40:14.000 15 pounds is a lot of weight.
01:40:16.000 Yeah.
01:40:16.000 In boxing, that would be three or four weight classes.
01:40:18.000 Yeah.
01:40:19.000 Whereas in MMA, it's one.
01:40:20.000 And the 70 to 85 gap is big, but the 85 to 205 gap is bananas.
01:40:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:40:25.000 No, it is.
01:40:26.000 It is.
01:40:26.000 But I was always kind of cutting down from a 205er to 285.
01:40:32.000 And it just got harder and harder.
01:40:35.000 You know what I mean?
01:40:36.000 Especially with, because I've been fortunate and blessed enough to fight for a long career.
01:40:41.000 And I've been able to have a ton of fights.
01:40:43.000 So you just kind of get sick of cutting weight constantly.
01:40:48.000 Of course.
01:40:49.000 And the camps themselves are tricky because you're trying to fuel yourself for the sessions, but you can't eat too much.
01:40:57.000 Right.
01:40:57.000 And food is a direct link to like recovery and performance.
01:41:02.000 Yeah.
01:41:02.000 So that was one of the biggest things I noticed moving up to light heavyweight was that the camps are just so much better.
01:41:09.000 So I can just eat.
01:41:10.000 I can eat carbs.
01:41:11.000 I can eat carbs.
01:41:11.000 I can just fuel my body, you know.
01:41:14.000 And my body was stronger during the camp.
01:41:17.000 I had more energy during the camps.
01:41:19.000 Like I didn't really.
01:41:20.000 The weight cuts were kind of the same because I still wanted to have some size and have some weight behind me.
01:41:25.000 So I still made the weight cut.
01:41:27.000 It's not like I just walked in there.
01:41:28.000 But your body's more or less.
01:41:30.000 Filling into its natural state.
01:41:31.000 Yes.
01:41:32.000 Rather than staying in this constantly depleted state.
01:41:34.000 Exactly.
01:41:35.000 Like, especially at 170, what did you walk around at?
01:41:38.000 I want to say it would have been like 94 ish kilos, 92 ish kilos.
01:41:46.000 What is that, Jamie?
01:41:48.000 90, what, 90, we're about 198 somewhere.
01:41:52.000 198.
01:41:52.000 So close to 200 pounds, close to 30 pounds of cutting.
01:41:56.000 Yeah.
01:41:57.000 That's a lot.
01:41:58.000 Yeah.
01:42:00.000 And then, as well as because I've been in the game for so long and You understand better than most, like there's life going on around you.
01:42:07.000 I don't know what it was because the last few middleweight camps I had did not enjoy them the cut, the diet, the training, fatigue.
01:42:17.000 I've got a bunch of kids at home trying to hang out with six kids when I'm this fatigued, starving.
01:42:24.000 It was just you kind of get sick of it, you get burnt out a little bit from that style thing.
01:42:29.000 And one of the big things that I don't know why it seems like a small thing, but one of the big things that made me like sad was that.
01:42:38.000 I went to my cupboard and nothing fits because, like, I get fitted for suits when I'm like trim, when I'm lean, when my shorts are in.
01:42:47.000 So, if I'm walking around my normal weight, I don't have clothes.
01:42:52.000 And I know how stupid that sounds, how little that is, but it made me sad.
01:42:57.000 It's like at the end of this career that I've had, like, I've been in the UFC for 15 years, end of my career, I'm going to have no clothes.
01:43:07.000 And it made me, I was like, I was upset.
01:43:10.000 I was like, that's hilarious.
01:43:11.000 Weird.
01:43:12.000 It's just, it doesn't really make sense, but it made sense to me.
01:43:16.000 It made me upset.
01:43:17.000 That's why, that was another thing where I was like, I want to go out, I want to walk around and have clothes.
01:43:21.000 I want something to show for this.
01:43:25.000 Don't you think that MMA would be better in general if there was a way to stop weight cutting?
01:43:30.000 Just avoid it.
01:43:31.000 And then you fight at what you actually weigh when you're at your healthiest.
01:43:36.000 You'd have to have way more options for weight classes for sure.
01:43:39.000 And there would have to be some way to monitor to make sure that people aren't dehydrating themselves.
01:43:43.000 Almost like, you know how we're talking about how drug free sport or USADA could just randomly drug test you.
01:43:49.000 Yeah.
01:43:49.000 They show up and drug test you.
01:43:50.000 Yeah.
01:43:50.000 They should be able to randomly weigh you.
01:43:52.000 Just show up.
01:43:53.000 Just here, get down in your underwear, get on a scale.
01:43:56.000 Oh, you're fighting at 170, but you weigh 208.
01:43:59.000 That's not right.
01:44:00.000 But then you should be fighting at 205.
01:44:03.000 But then that takes away a lot of free agency from the athlete.
01:44:07.000 Like, does it though?
01:44:08.000 Because you could change your body weight if you so choose, right?
01:44:12.000 Like, you see a lot of these, like, um, You know, like Dave Bautista, the wrestler, who's enormous at one point in time.
01:44:19.000 Now he's slimming down and getting shredded so he could take on more roles, more complex acting roles.
01:44:25.000 That could be done.
01:44:26.000 Like, you could do that as a professional fighter as well.
01:44:29.000 You could do a lot more cardio and get your body down to a healthy level of whatever it is, whatever weight class you're at your best.
01:44:36.000 But then when you jump on that family holiday, that family cruise, and you're at the salad bar the entire time, that doesn't sound super fun.
01:44:43.000 That doesn't sound super fun, but I mean, I don't think, I don't advocate that.
01:44:48.000 I'm saying be healthy and eat food.
01:44:50.000 Yeah.
01:44:51.000 But be at a weight that's a real, like, if everybody just fought at the weight they are when they're in shape and eating the adequate amount of food to fuel you, like a real full meal, like full meals every session, eating fruit, getting in your carbs, drinking tons of water, never being dehydrated, but this is what you weigh with, you know, 10% body fat, natural, healthy fit.
01:45:14.000 What is that?
01:45:14.000 That should be how everybody fights.
01:45:16.000 Yeah, I guess in a perfect world, I like, I have zero idea on how you would implement something like that.
01:45:21.000 I don't either.
01:45:22.000 Like, no answers.
01:45:23.000 And I've thought about it.
01:45:24.000 Obviously, this has been a question in the MMA world for the longest time.
01:45:28.000 In all sports with weight divisions, really.
01:45:29.000 Of course.
01:45:30.000 But it's just, you also then look at human nature and it's just our tendency to push the envelope.
01:45:38.000 Well, especially in a sport that has been predicated on that.
01:45:41.000 Yeah.
01:45:41.000 People have been doing that forever.
01:45:42.000 They've been cutting massive amounts of weight forever.
01:45:44.000 Yeah.
01:45:45.000 Well, I guess maybe because the sport sprouted here, right?
01:45:51.000 It's taken a lot of the wrestling mentality.
01:45:53.000 Exactly.
01:45:53.000 And weight cuts and weight divisions and all that into the sport itself.
01:45:58.000 But I definitely feel like you see more of that, like that dichotomy of that kind of scenario of more natural weight classes, the higher up you go in the weight divisions.
01:46:10.000 So you see more in light heavyweights where guys are, they're more normal weight class.
01:46:15.000 Or especially in heavyweight, they're all just big boys.
01:46:18.000 Right, right.
01:46:19.000 You know what I mean?
01:46:20.000 Yeah.
01:46:20.000 And some look like over him.
01:46:22.000 Yeah.
01:46:23.000 And some.
01:46:24.000 Look like, I don't know, Pat Byrie.
01:46:26.000 He's the best.
01:46:29.000 Uber Eam, the Uber Eam days, is the best argument for keeping steroids in sports.
01:46:34.000 It's like, come on.
01:46:36.000 Don't you want to see that again?
01:46:37.000 Like, what are we doing?
01:46:38.000 Like, the pride, we were talking about this last night at the club.
01:46:40.000 The pride days.
01:46:42.000 Yeah.
01:46:42.000 The pride heavyweight days was the greatest heavyweight lineup in the history of the fucking sport.
01:46:47.000 It doesn't seem like everyone was a heavyweight.
01:46:49.000 There were so many heavyweights, man.
01:46:51.000 Well, first of all, they would encourage you to gain weight.
01:46:53.000 Yeah.
01:46:54.000 Like, one of the guys from Eddie's gym, Jason Chambers, fought over there.
01:46:58.000 And when he fought over there, they're like, you should be 185.
01:47:01.000 And he's like, I'm not 185.
01:47:04.000 They're like, you should get on steroids.
01:47:05.000 Like, doesn't count.
01:47:08.000 Telling him, we can make you, we can make you.
01:47:12.000 Ensign Inouye, when he did the podcast, he told me very specifically that in the contract it said, in capital letters, we do not test for steroids.
01:47:22.000 It was like in capital letters, like, we're all good.
01:47:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:47:28.000 And you saw those fights.
01:47:29.000 They were amazing.
01:47:31.000 Amazing.
01:47:32.000 Yeah.
01:47:32.000 Mental and the greatest heavyweight division that has ever been assembled.
01:47:37.000 Yeah.
01:47:37.000 Mirko Krokop in his prime, Fedor in his prime, Noguera in his prime.
01:47:42.000 Prime Vandelay.
01:47:43.000 Well, Vandelay really shouldn't have been fighting at heavyweight, but he did.
01:47:46.000 He fought Mark Hunt.
01:47:47.000 Remember that fight?
01:47:48.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:47:49.000 He fought Mark Hunt.
01:47:50.000 I was like, oh my God.
01:47:51.000 Getting hit by Mark Hunt when you're a 185 pounder, that is crazy.
01:47:56.000 Fader.
01:47:57.000 Bro, Fader.
01:47:58.000 Jeez.
01:47:58.000 Oh my goodness.
01:47:59.000 When he got knocked out by Krokop, when he got head kicked, when Vandelay got head kicked, it was like, good Lord.
01:48:03.000 Yeah, it got folded.
01:48:06.000 Krokop's head kicks were just brutal.
01:48:09.000 But what a twist of fate the way that he got head kicked.
01:48:12.000 By Gonzaga.
01:48:13.000 Yeah.
01:48:14.000 Yeah.
01:48:14.000 Like it was such a thing because that's his thing.
01:48:18.000 He got crow cops.
01:48:19.000 You can't crow cop, crow cop.
01:48:20.000 I know.
01:48:22.000 And buy a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt with nobody expecting him to win that way.
01:48:26.000 Yeah.
01:48:26.000 It was wild.
01:48:27.000 A lot of people forget about Gonzaga.
01:48:28.000 Yeah.
01:48:29.000 Gonzaga was a fucking beast, man.
01:48:31.000 He was a beast.
01:48:32.000 That's the answer to white divisions.
01:48:34.000 Absolute.
01:48:35.000 Right.
01:48:37.000 But some guys can't do it.
01:48:38.000 You know, TJ Dillashaw can't fight absolute, but he can be one of the elite of all time at Bantamweight.
01:48:44.000 You know?
01:48:45.000 Yeah, here's Mark Hunt and Vandalay, bro.
01:48:47.000 Mark Hunt was so big.
01:48:49.000 Oh, dude.
01:48:49.000 He was 265, and Vandalay was fighting 185 or 205.
01:48:53.000 And it's Mark Hunt.
01:48:55.000 Like, he just, he's not a fun fight ever.
01:48:58.000 No.
01:48:58.000 Well, first of all, almost impossible to hurt.
01:49:00.000 Yeah.
01:49:01.000 Because that guy got head kicked by Crocop and just went, well, good shot, got back up.
01:49:05.000 Good one, good one.
01:49:05.000 He got back up and was fine.
01:49:07.000 Good one.
01:49:08.000 And I think he got head kicked with shoes on.
01:49:11.000 It was back when they were wearing wrestling shoes, you know?
01:49:14.000 And still was fine.
01:49:15.000 Bro, he was a tank.
01:49:17.000 He could eat them.
01:49:18.000 He could eat those shots.
01:49:19.000 And he had touch of death.
01:49:20.000 Touch of death.
01:49:21.000 And one of the greatest walk-offs in the history of sport.
01:49:23.000 He would KO you and just go, Oh, you're gone.
01:49:26.000 And just turn around.
01:49:27.000 Even if you weren't gone, he'd still just walk away.
01:49:30.000 And the referee would stop him.
01:49:31.000 He'd be on your back going, Where's he going?
01:49:33.000 And the referee would be like, That's it.
01:49:35.000 No, you're dead.
01:49:37.000 He called the fight?
01:49:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:49:40.000 Some of those walk-offs, you're like, I don't know if that's a real KO.
01:49:43.000 Yeah.
01:49:43.000 Like, maybe that guy could have, if he got on top and kept going and just covering up.
01:49:48.000 He might have lasted to the end of the round.
01:49:50.000 There are plenty of times I see a walk-off KO, and you're exactly that.
01:49:55.000 You know how sometimes guys come back after getting hit a couple more times?
01:50:00.000 So they come back, and then you've gassed yourself, and then you're in for another four rounds.
01:50:03.000 You know what the best example of that is?
01:50:05.000 Anderson Silva, Michael Bisbang.
01:50:07.000 Yes.
01:50:08.000 He hits him with a flying knee.
01:50:10.000 At the bellbuster.
01:50:10.000 It looks like he's KO'd.
01:50:12.000 It looks like the fight is over, but Herb Dean did not stop the fight.
01:50:16.000 I think it was Herb Dean.
01:50:18.000 Anderson hops up on top of the cage, celebrating.
01:50:21.000 Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's ready to hit the showers.
01:50:23.000 Bisbane comes back in the next round and wins it and wins the decision.
01:50:26.000 Yeah.
01:50:27.000 With one fucking eyeball.
01:50:30.000 Animal.
01:50:32.000 How does that mess you up mentally?
01:50:34.000 Because I know the feeling of winning.
01:50:36.000 Here it is.
01:50:37.000 So he lost his mouthpiece.
01:50:38.000 Boom.
01:50:38.000 He gets KO'd and Anderson walks off.
01:50:40.000 Like, that's it.
01:50:42.000 And Herb Dean said, No, it's not over.
01:50:46.000 So Anderson takes his mouthpiece out.
01:50:48.000 Oh, he's doing his thing.
01:50:50.000 Yeah, he's doing his thing.
01:50:51.000 He thinks it's over.
01:50:54.000 How does that affect you?
01:51:01.000 If you're there, because the feeling you get.
01:51:03.000 So look at this.
01:51:04.000 He hops up in the cage, he thinks it's over.
01:51:07.000 He thinks it's over.
01:51:08.000 The feeling you get, the high you get when you win a fight, is ridiculous.
01:51:14.000 So if he's feeling that now, well, he obviously is.
01:51:17.000 He's sitting on the cage.
01:51:18.000 They're telling him, and he's saying it's not over.
01:51:20.000 Look, he goes, fuck.
01:51:21.000 He realizes it right now, it's not over, which is crazy.
01:51:24.000 Yeah.
01:51:24.000 Because if he just followed up with one or two shots, 100% it would have been over.
01:51:28.000 Yeah.
01:51:29.000 But didn't the bell buzzer go when he landed that knee?
01:51:32.000 Maybe, yeah, I think you're right.
01:51:33.000 I think it's like right there.
01:51:34.000 Yeah.
01:51:35.000 I think he landed the knee and then the buzzer went off like right afterwards.
01:51:39.000 Mark Hunt's walk offs were like, I've had enough of this.
01:51:42.000 Yeah.
01:51:42.000 Like uppercuts.
01:51:43.000 It's like he's called it over.
01:51:45.000 It's like, this is over.
01:51:47.000 Crazy, man.
01:51:49.000 Crazy.
01:51:49.000 Best bang.
01:51:50.000 What a fucking animal.
01:51:51.000 Maybe the most mentally tough guy that's ever fought in sport.
01:51:55.000 Just to be able to do that with one eye, he fought 11 fights with one eye.
01:51:59.000 Yeah.
01:52:00.000 And didn't tell anybody.
01:52:01.000 Memorized the eye chart.
01:52:03.000 Really?
01:52:04.000 Yeah.
01:52:04.000 I guess you have to.
01:52:06.000 Memorized the eye chart so he could do it with his eye closed.
01:52:08.000 I guess you have to.
01:52:09.000 But no.
01:52:10.000 Crazy.
01:52:10.000 Don't they randomize what?
01:52:12.000 Kind of, I don't know.
01:52:14.000 Well, maybe just like maybe they don't, yeah.
01:52:17.000 I mean, I don't know.
01:52:18.000 Do they randomize eye charts?
01:52:19.000 What kind of an asshole is going to memorize eye charts?
01:52:24.000 I bet they don't.
01:52:25.000 I bet they don't think anyone's going to try to cheat it.
01:52:27.000 I bet they just have an eye chart and he fucking memorizes it.
01:52:30.000 Wherever a doctor is, it's probably like, ah, they didn't change it from last time, yeah, yeah.
01:52:33.000 I guess, right?
01:52:35.000 Maybe, I mean, but I think he memorized, but just the will to do that when you've already lost sight in one of your eyes, yeah, and to continue to fight and know potentially you could lose sight in the other eye.
01:52:45.000 So, did he lose his vision from.?
01:52:47.000 He's gone.
01:52:48.000 No, like from a shot.
01:52:50.000 Yes.
01:52:50.000 Was it an eye poke or a vitor?
01:52:51.000 Vitor.
01:52:52.000 He got head kicked.
01:52:54.000 Yes, that'll do it.
01:52:54.000 Yeah, he got head kicked, and it was the first of many eye surgeries.
01:52:58.000 So, I remember he was.
01:53:02.000 I met him backstage after one of those fights when he had had one of his first surgeries, and he had oil in his eye.
01:53:11.000 They had injected something in his eye to protect his eyeball.
01:53:14.000 It was crazy.
01:53:15.000 Like, his eye looked really strange.
01:53:17.000 I was like, what's going on with your eye?
01:53:19.000 And he was explaining to me he had this surgery to protect his eye.
01:53:22.000 I think by that time he had already lost a lot of his vision.
01:53:28.000 According to a comment on Reddit.
01:53:30.000 He said the doctor was out of the office.
01:53:32.000 Bisping went right up to it and memorized the eye chart.
01:53:35.000 Yeah, I think that's what he did.
01:53:36.000 If it's on Reddit, you can take that to the next one.
01:53:38.000 Well, how about Shara Bullitt?
01:53:40.000 Shara Bullitt, who's fighting Izzy, he's only got one eye, too.
01:53:44.000 Yeah, is that Doha?
01:53:46.000 I think so.
01:53:47.000 Well, he has to fight over there.
01:53:49.000 I don't think he's allowed to fight over here.
01:53:51.000 I think if you fight over here and you're blind in one eye, they won't let you fight.
01:53:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:53:56.000 He's beaten top level guys with one fucking eyeball.
01:54:00.000 Yep.
01:54:01.000 Here's another guy who got tuned up by Michael Venom Page.
01:54:03.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:54:06.000 Michael Venom Page just looks so annoying to fight.
01:54:09.000 Obviously, it's a point of pride that I'll fight everyone and anyone.
01:54:14.000 But then people are like, what about Michael Venom Page?
01:54:16.000 I'm like, yeah, there's other guys.
01:54:19.000 I only want to fight guys.
01:54:21.000 MVP's another guy.
01:54:22.000 That's right.
01:54:23.000 That they didn't offer a contract to.
01:54:25.000 Same thing.
01:54:26.000 He won his last fight.
01:54:27.000 Oh, no, really?
01:54:28.000 Yeah.
01:54:29.000 I mean, he only lost once in the UFC, and that was to Ian Gary.
01:54:33.000 Yeah.
01:54:34.000 And they didn't offer him a contract.
01:54:36.000 He's gone.
01:54:37.000 Is he?
01:54:38.000 Yeah, he's gone.
01:54:39.000 I did not know that.
01:54:39.000 Same kind of deal.
01:54:41.000 Yeah, just point sparring.
01:54:42.000 They just decided that they don't want to see that.
01:54:44.000 Point fighting.
01:54:45.000 You know, but my take is.
01:54:46.000 What do you do?
01:54:47.000 My take is that, like, we have to be purists about this.
01:54:50.000 Fighting is fighting.
01:54:51.000 Yeah.
01:54:52.000 And if someone has a style like that, it's up to someone else to figure out how to beat it.
01:54:55.000 Yeah.
01:54:55.000 Douglas Lima figured out how to beat it in Bellator.
01:54:58.000 Yeah.
01:54:58.000 He leg kicked him and KO'd him.
01:55:00.000 Yes.
01:55:00.000 And then he beat him in a rematch as well.
01:55:02.000 Yes.
01:55:02.000 That's always been my take, like, If I had to look to dissect him, because when I was a middleweight, obviously I'm doing that with most of them.
01:55:09.000 It's leg kicks.
01:55:10.000 Agile guys, agile guys, good footwork.
01:55:13.000 You got to chop the tree down.
01:55:14.000 You have to.
01:55:15.000 You've got to.
01:55:16.000 It's the only way.
01:55:17.000 You got to slow those feet.
01:55:18.000 And most people don't realize when you're watching it, because the guys are moving around, they look normal, they're so compromised.
01:55:25.000 Like one or two hard calf kicks, you're so compromised.
01:55:29.000 Calf kicks are the worst, aren't they?
01:55:31.000 Great.
01:55:31.000 Like one good calf kick, not only do you run the risk of like breaking that.
01:55:36.000 What is it, fibula?
01:55:36.000 I don't know what it is.
01:55:37.000 Fibula and fibula.
01:55:39.000 One of them.
01:55:39.000 Yeah.
01:55:40.000 You are, like, because that's like breaking that's real.
01:55:43.000 Yeah.
01:55:44.000 Like breaking that's real.
01:55:45.000 But it hurts and it just stuffs you up.
01:55:49.000 And your leg doesn't work right.
01:55:51.000 You see that all the time where guys just, their leg doesn't work right right now.
01:55:54.000 They're trying to move around and it's just not responding correctly.
01:55:57.000 So most of their weight is on their other leg and they're faking it.
01:56:00.000 They're like faking their movement.
01:56:01.000 Yeah.
01:56:02.000 And once that leg's compromised, it opens you up to more leg kicks.
01:56:06.000 Yeah.
01:56:06.000 Like, it's harder to defend the next calf kicker.
01:56:09.000 What Protez did to Jack.
01:56:12.000 My God.
01:56:12.000 When Jack went back to the corner and he yelled at the end of the round, like, hey, don't fucking yell.
01:56:16.000 Like, no, ah.
01:56:17.000 Don't say ah.
01:56:18.000 When he kicks you, don't do that.
01:56:20.000 Yeah.
01:56:21.000 But it was so much pain.
01:56:22.000 He was saying ah.
01:56:23.000 I was watching it and saying ah.
01:56:25.000 He was just punishing that leg.
01:56:28.000 Punishing him.
01:56:29.000 Punishing him.
01:56:30.000 And that was always like a hole Jack had to fill.
01:56:34.000 It was very boxing style.
01:56:36.000 Yes.
01:56:36.000 Boxing heavy on the front leg.
01:56:39.000 And you just, yeah.
01:56:39.000 The thing too is, like, those guys who are really good at switching stances have a giant advantage.
01:56:45.000 If you're one of those guys that must stand orthodox or must stand southpaw and you get that front leg compromise and now all of a sudden you're in a bad position, you're 50% of what you really are.
01:56:54.000 Yes.
01:56:55.000 And guys like TJ Dillashaw, they're constantly switching.
01:56:58.000 Guys like Corey Sanhagen, constantly switching.
01:57:00.000 So they're comfortable from any stance.
01:57:03.000 That is such an advantage.
01:57:05.000 It's such a huge part of the game.
01:57:06.000 You know who.
01:57:07.000 In that first second fight with Izzy, he got me with a switched left straight down the pipe.
01:57:15.000 And the switching put me off.
01:57:17.000 I think Drikas did a few times as well.
01:57:19.000 He switches pretty well.
01:57:22.000 You're exactly right.
01:57:23.000 It is such a powerful maneuver, an ability to do.
01:57:26.000 Because for that split second when you see them switch, you have to take your strategy and then move over to your southpaw strategy.
01:57:34.000 Right.
01:57:35.000 Instantaneously.
01:57:36.000 And then take it into consideration that all these punches are coming at totally different angles now.
01:57:40.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:57:41.000 Exactly.
01:57:41.000 And all your attacks come at totally different angles now, too, because you're dealing with a completely different defensive position.
01:57:46.000 Exactly.
01:57:47.000 And then how fast you make that adjustment is obviously where fight IQ and everything else comes into it.
01:57:52.000 It's just, it's make or break.
01:57:55.000 And it seems to be really popular right now.
01:57:57.000 I feel like guys coming into MMA are like really big switch hitters.
01:58:01.000 Like they're starting it because it takes a while, it takes years of practice to get comfortable in both sides.
01:58:08.000 So I can fight in Southpaw, but my defensive game isn't.
01:58:11.000 Anywhere near as good as my orthodox side.
01:58:15.000 And that's kind of what you need when you're standing in a different stance.
01:58:20.000 Well, that's one of the reasons why Terrence Crawford is so great.
01:58:23.000 His coaches told him, hey, man, stop fucking around with Southpaw.
01:58:27.000 Just stick to one side.
01:58:28.000 He's like, what?
01:58:29.000 Fuck you.
01:58:31.000 Figure it out.
01:58:32.000 And so he got to a point where it's like he's the best switch hitter since Marvin Hagler.
01:58:36.000 Yeah.
01:58:37.000 Like he could switch up with.
01:58:38.000 And so you don't know what's coming.
01:58:40.000 Like he'll start off a fight Southpaw and you're like, oh, he's fighting Southpaw.
01:58:43.000 Yeah.
01:58:43.000 And then all of a sudden he's Orthodox and he stuns you.
01:58:45.000 Now he's Southpaw again.
01:58:46.000 Now he's Orthodox again.
01:58:47.000 He's just switching back and forth and combinations are coming freely from both sides.
01:58:51.000 Like it's such an advantage.
01:58:53.000 Because it's like fighting Southpaws and fighting Orthodox fighters, they're like two different strategy sets.
01:58:59.000 Like a Southpaw game and an Orthodox game.
01:59:02.000 They're very different, very different shots, very different openings, like very different opportunities.
01:59:09.000 And especially in MMA, where wrestling is obviously prevalent.
01:59:13.000 So, having that lead leg not there, like if you're an orthodox guy and you're used to shooting on that orthodox side, that lead leg, that lead left leg, and they switch, your takedown games are off.
01:59:26.000 And if you're a wrestler, that's tough.
01:59:30.000 Yeah, I would feel like if you're a young fighter and you're just learning right now, my God, start switching.
01:59:36.000 Yeah.
01:59:37.000 There's no reason to not do it.
01:59:38.000 I think that's what they're all doing.
01:59:40.000 I think they have to.
01:59:41.000 There's a lot of like orthodox, like right handed kids that are just learning, starting in South Pole now.
01:59:46.000 Yeah.
01:59:47.000 But then part of me says, but what if you just developed such an elite style with one stance?
01:59:53.000 Like that, there's something to that too.
01:59:55.000 Yes.
01:59:55.000 Just getting so good at checking kicks and so rock solid in one stance.
01:59:59.000 Yeah.
01:59:59.000 Like Pereira.
02:00:01.000 He doesn't switch.
02:00:02.000 Very rarely.
02:00:03.000 Yeah.
02:00:03.000 Very rarely.
02:00:04.000 If he does, it's just like while he's throwing combinations, he'll switch a little bit.
02:00:07.000 Yeah.
02:00:08.000 Is generally that left hook, yeah, it's coming out of nowhere, and that right hand and that calf kick.
02:00:14.000 It's so weird.
02:00:15.000 He's hitting you with like the big toe, yeah, because his big toe is like this big.
02:00:20.000 He's like, you've seen the size of his feet, man.
02:00:23.000 He's like digging the side of his foot into your calf, yeah, and that that protrusion of like where his toe connects.
02:00:30.000 Oh man, yeah, he's got a hard as a rock.
02:00:33.000 He's got like a foot built for that kid.
02:00:35.000 He's got like a little hammer, yeah, he's like tagging your calf muscles, and his posture doesn't break at all because he's got long legs, he's tall, obviously.
02:00:42.000 He can just chip away to like a jab.
02:00:44.000 He doesn't need a close distance, doesn't need a back away.
02:00:47.000 Body posture, body positioning doesn't change.
02:00:50.000 For striking, the tall, long stance is such an advantage.
02:00:54.000 Yes.
02:00:54.000 It's a giant advantage.
02:00:55.000 And you can speak to that because you've been in situations where you've had a spar or fight people that are much taller than you.
02:01:03.000 It's such a weird thing.
02:01:04.000 They're so far away from you and they can hit you and you can't hit them.
02:01:08.000 So you have to do all these things to try to get in and get reads out of them.
02:01:12.000 I've never lost to someone shorter than me.
02:01:16.000 Can you look that up?
02:01:19.000 It's such an advantage, bro.
02:01:22.000 That's one of the things why I moved up to light heavyweight, because in middleweight, I was fighting, everyone was taller than me anyway.
02:01:28.000 Like Derrida, Izzy, Drikas, Jamaev, they're all taller than me.
02:01:33.000 They're all 6'2, 6'4.
02:01:35.000 So there wasn't much change.
02:01:36.000 There wasn't much difference.
02:01:37.000 These guys are just bigger, obviously heavier, and slower.
02:01:41.000 Well, the freak of the division is Bulgaris.
02:01:44.000 You ever see Bulgaris?
02:01:45.000 You know, that really tall dude is a kickboxer.
02:01:49.000 Oh, yes.
02:01:50.000 Yes, yes, yes.
02:01:51.000 Come over.
02:01:51.000 How do I, am I pronouncing his name incorrectly?
02:01:56.000 There's so many names in the UFC that I fuck all of them up.
02:01:59.000 I combine them all together, even ones that I know.
02:02:02.000 My brain doesn't recognize it.
02:02:04.000 It's because there's also like a ton of the same names in there.
02:02:07.000 Yeah.
02:02:07.000 Like there's that many Silvers and Oliveras.
02:02:11.000 There's a lot of Silvers, a lot of Oliveras.
02:02:13.000 There's a lot of Nermagamedovs now.
02:02:15.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:02:18.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:02:20.000 You'll see Bulgari.
02:02:22.000 That's how you say his name, I'm pretty sure.
02:02:24.000 He is the really tall kickboxer that's Alex Pereira's training partner.
02:02:29.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
02:02:30.000 So he's like 6'6 and he's fighting at 185.
02:02:35.000 Yeah.
02:02:36.000 Just like Pereira was.
02:02:37.000 Exactly.
02:02:38.000 Just fucking gigantic.
02:02:41.000 He's so fucking tall for that weight class.
02:02:43.000 Yeah.
02:02:43.000 And he's elite, elite kickboxer.
02:02:46.000 Just so smooth.
02:02:48.000 You're right.
02:02:49.000 How do you think he'll be able to?
02:02:51.000 Because Pereira is an anomaly for this.
02:02:55.000 Like, what?
02:02:58.000 How do you think his transition will be?
02:03:00.000 Well, Fortunately, he's training with Pereira.
02:03:03.000 Yeah.
02:03:03.000 Right?
02:03:03.000 And they both were training with Glover, which I think was a big thing.
02:03:07.000 Yeah.
02:03:07.000 Big part of it.
02:03:08.000 Because Glover Teixeira, for like six years, people don't realize this, before he even got to the UFC, for six years, Glover Teixeira was the boogeyman.
02:03:16.000 Yes.
02:03:16.000 He was the guy that everyone was terrified of, but he couldn't get out of Brazil.
02:03:19.000 So he couldn't get a visa to come to America for whatever reason.
02:03:22.000 So he couldn't fight in America.
02:03:23.000 So he was just training and fighting in Brazil.
02:03:25.000 And everybody would talk about when you would talk to the high level guys, like who's the scariest guy that's not in the UFC?
02:03:30.000 It's Glover.
02:03:32.000 Glowry is a fucking monster.
02:03:33.000 By the time he got to the UFC, he was already in his mid to late 30s.
02:03:38.000 And he won the title in his 40s.
02:03:40.000 So he had already passed his prime, probably.
02:03:45.000 And he is so knowledgeable.
02:03:48.000 He obviously is an elite Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt, phenomenal wrestling, and then great striking as well, and knows how to combine the two of them together.
02:03:56.000 And so with him working with Alex, I think it really sharpened his striking skills.
02:04:02.000 And that's when he won the title.
02:04:03.000 And then on top of that, when he beat Jan Bohovic.
02:04:06.000 And then on top of that, him working with Alex really tightened up Alex's takedown defense, really tightened up his back and filled each other's holes.
02:04:14.000 Yes.
02:04:15.000 And they're both like super elite at what they do.
02:04:18.000 And both very smart.
02:04:19.000 And both wrestling, jujitsu top game was insane.
02:04:22.000 Insane.
02:04:23.000 He'd take you down, and he's not like a lay and pray sort of guy.
02:04:27.000 He gets you down, and he's going to beat you up.
02:04:29.000 Yeah, he was mauling people.
02:04:30.000 Like that Anthony Smith fight.
02:04:33.000 Oh, God.
02:04:33.000 Oh, shit.
02:04:34.000 And again, he was a guy that was.
02:04:36.000 Chuck Liddell's training partner way back in the day.
02:04:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:04:39.000 That's why I first heard about him.
02:04:41.000 Old head from the pit days with John Hackleman way back in the day.
02:04:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:04:47.000 So I'd heard about Glover way back then, and they were like, dude, this guy's a motherfucker, man.
02:04:50.000 Yeah.
02:04:50.000 And it took forever for him to get to the UFC.
02:04:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:04:53.000 And so him training, so Bulgari's training with Pereira and Glover, I think is a giant.
02:05:01.000 I'm saying his name right.
02:05:03.000 I think so.
02:05:05.000 Pull up his last fight because he, um, I can't remember the dude's name.
02:05:12.000 He, uh, here, yeah, that's it.
02:05:15.000 Mansour Abdul Malik and Abdul Yursi Bulgari.
02:05:19.000 And, uh, Abdul Malik is super talented and massive potential.
02:05:25.000 And Bulgari just tuned him up, man.
02:05:28.000 Just tuned him up.
02:05:29.000 It's just the difference in striking was so different.
02:05:31.000 I mean, he has a victory over Pereira in kickboxing.
02:05:35.000 Pereira stopped him in one of the fights, knocked him out cold, but they fought three times, but.
02:05:41.000 He's that good.
02:05:42.000 So he's that elite on his feet.
02:05:44.000 And he's super tall.
02:05:45.000 And because of all the training that he's had with Glover, like, look at this.
02:05:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:05:49.000 Take down defense, phenomenal.
02:05:51.000 Get back up to his feet quickly, separates.
02:05:53.000 He's fighting it well.
02:05:54.000 And Malik is an excellent wrestler.
02:05:57.000 He's really good and really strong and super athletic and had up until this point been undefeated.
02:06:03.000 Was mauling people inside the UFC.
02:06:06.000 But Yersi just put it to him, man.
02:06:09.000 It was a bad one, too.
02:06:11.000 Because Abdul Malik is so tough.
02:06:13.000 That he endured maybe more punishment than he should have and really got badly beaten up in this fight.
02:06:19.000 When you're that tall as well, you can get such power.
02:06:22.000 Like, look at these fucking knees.
02:06:24.000 You got such big levers.
02:06:25.000 Yes.
02:06:26.000 Like Tommy Hearns.
02:06:27.000 You know, that like you're getting all that leverage behind those shots, the wide shoulders and the length of the arms, and it's all like accelerating to the target and all your weights.
02:06:38.000 Look at that left hook.
02:06:39.000 Oh my goodness.
02:06:40.000 So it's just a matter of time.
02:06:42.000 He just keeps getting touched over and over and over again.
02:06:45.000 And Bulgari's just doing it so slick.
02:06:49.000 And it was just a brutal, brutal beatdown.
02:06:52.000 And then he came back, Abdul Malik came back, I think a little too soon.
02:06:57.000 In his next fight and lost again, just didn't seem like the same guy.
02:07:02.000 He was just getting and survived too many of these, man.
02:07:05.000 Yeah, too many of these moments where he was getting just destroyed.
02:07:09.000 Yeah, and now he's screaming at him while he's down.
02:07:13.000 I think that might have been the end of the round.
02:07:15.000 No, it was, but I think he was also saying he was out.
02:07:17.000 Yeah, I wasn't calling it.
02:07:19.000 I think he was around, he certainly was close to it, and then he got beat up again the next round.
02:07:23.000 Tight kickboxing hook, exactly.
02:07:25.000 Like it's just when you know, and you could speak to this when you're fighting a guy who's not a bit that's not his base.
02:07:32.000 You can get so good.
02:07:34.000 If you're a wrestler and you start striking when you're 28, you get pretty good.
02:07:37.000 But there's stuff that happens in a long, prolonged fight where there's a series of exchanges, where there's openings that you're going to leave that you're not aware of.
02:07:46.000 And then a striker, a seasoned striker, is going to be able to capitalize on that.
02:07:49.000 And you throw in fatigue as well when you start relying on instincts and things like you start sleepwalking almost.
02:07:57.000 You get that tired.
02:07:58.000 Right.
02:08:00.000 Yeah, you're going to go back to the roots.
02:08:03.000 To what got you to where you are.
02:08:05.000 Right, right, right.
02:08:06.000 Especially when you're tired.
02:08:07.000 And when a guy is tired, but he's very efficient at striking, you could still throw tight combinations.
02:08:14.000 You don't get wild and loose.
02:08:15.000 Yeah.
02:08:16.000 Which is one of the craziest things about Strickland.
02:08:18.000 Like when he's tired, he gets wild and loose.
02:08:22.000 Yeah.
02:08:22.000 Just like literally like windmill punches at an elite ball.
02:08:26.000 And it looks like from all the clips in his Instagram, he spars like that too.
02:08:31.000 Yeah.
02:08:31.000 Like he's just gassed and throwing bombs.
02:08:36.000 And he's always sparring.
02:08:38.000 I know, always.
02:08:39.000 Always sparring.
02:08:40.000 That's a main part of his training.
02:08:42.000 But I guess, like, if you have his style, you can spar more than others, right?
02:08:46.000 Yeah.
02:08:46.000 He's not taking the head trauma that his partners are.
02:08:49.000 That's true.
02:08:49.000 That's one of the things that he spoke to.
02:08:50.000 He said he spars more than anybody and he gets hit less than anybody.
02:08:54.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:08:55.000 And yeah, that's.
02:08:57.000 There's something beneficial.
02:08:58.000 I think his sparring partners probably shouldn't be sparring as much.
02:09:03.000 But I mean, look, if you could train with that guy, you're going to learn some stuff.
02:09:07.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:09:08.000 That guy, that's like battle tested.
02:09:10.000 He's been in so many fucking wars.
02:09:13.000 He's going through something with the UFC right now where, like, he says his heart isn't in MMA anymore.
02:09:17.000 He wants to get out.
02:09:18.000 He wants to be able to box Jake Paul.
02:09:20.000 Oh, I don't know.
02:09:21.000 I don't know.
02:09:22.000 He's like, he's the one guy that he says some wild crap, but a lot of it happens.
02:09:28.000 Like, he gets away with it.
02:09:31.000 Like, when he said, I'm just going to sit out until I get my title shot.
02:09:35.000 And I was like, ah, you're an idiot.
02:09:36.000 What are you doing?
02:09:37.000 What are you doing?
02:09:38.000 Lo and behold, two years later, He's fighting for the belt.
02:09:42.000 Right.
02:09:42.000 Like straight up.
02:09:43.000 I don't know.
02:09:44.000 At the end of the day, he's a fan favorite, and that's a big factor.
02:09:47.000 If you're trying to sell a fight, and the UFC needs to sell fights.
02:09:51.000 And if you've got a world champion, you know, like Hamza, and you need someone to fight him, who better to sell the damn fight than Sean Strickland?
02:09:58.000 He's going to talk mad amounts of shit.
02:10:00.000 Oh, and it's going to be racist.
02:10:04.000 It's going to be racist.
02:10:06.000 And, you know, that gets people watching.
02:10:08.000 Oh, yeah.
02:10:09.000 Just because of the controversy of it all.
02:10:11.000 Well, he knows how to stir up the pot.
02:10:14.000 Oh, my goodness.
02:10:15.000 That's for sure.
02:10:15.000 Doesn't he?
02:10:16.000 Were you surprised by the Hamza fight?
02:10:19.000 As everyone else was.
02:10:21.000 Yeah.
02:10:21.000 Like, I don't know what to take from it.
02:10:25.000 I think Hamzat lost too much weight.
02:10:27.000 That's what I had heard.
02:10:28.000 I had heard he had given up on 185 and he wanted to go up to 205 and challenge for the belt and was training and preparing for that.
02:10:35.000 And then they offered him a big money fight with Strickland and he decided to take the fight with Strickland.
02:10:39.000 But I don't think they gave him a lot of time.
02:10:42.000 I don't think they gave him a lot of time.
02:10:43.000 I think for that guy, he gets so fucking big that I think he needs a lot of time to get down to 185.
02:10:49.000 That makes more sense to me than Strickland having the perfect anti. Chamaev game.
02:10:56.000 Well, do you remember when Chamaev missed weight with Nate Diaz by like eight pounds?
02:11:00.000 Yeah.
02:11:01.000 Yeah.
02:11:02.000 Yeah.
02:11:02.000 Yeah.
02:11:03.000 It's that kind of thing.
02:11:04.000 It's like what he was doing was kind of bananas.
02:11:07.000 Yeah, which is crazy because he started at Walter Weight.
02:11:10.000 Same thing.
02:11:11.000 He did that Fight Island, Walter Weight, Middleweight, back to back.
02:11:14.000 Yeah.
02:11:15.000 Which kind of put him on the map and then he disappeared for a little bit.
02:11:18.000 Yeah, well, you know, I mean, he's a controversial character, to put it lightly.
02:11:22.000 Yeah, very.
02:11:24.000 But goddamn, when he's on, like when he picked up the leech.
02:11:27.000 And he carried him over to Dana White, and he's just talking shit while he's mauling him.
02:11:31.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:11:32.000 When you have that level of control, and I'm going to jump back to that Drickus fight.
02:11:36.000 It's just.
02:11:37.000 Nuts.
02:11:38.000 To do that to Drickus, to the champion.
02:11:41.000 I know.
02:11:42.000 Like, it wasn't.
02:11:43.000 It was crazy.
02:11:44.000 Yeah.
02:11:45.000 And even the closest round, which was round five, a lot of those positions were given to him, taken away from him by the ref anyway.
02:11:55.000 Right.
02:11:55.000 Like.
02:11:57.000 The ref was like, all right, here you go.
02:12:00.000 Here's a shot for you, Holdrick.
02:12:01.000 Well, it was almost like it was enough, like enough control.
02:12:04.000 Like, come on, we want to see something happen.
02:12:06.000 Get up.
02:12:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:12:09.000 I want to get your opinion on what do you think about that pressure hold game?
02:12:13.000 Because if someone walks into your house and holds you down for 15 minutes, you're in trouble.
02:12:20.000 Right.
02:12:21.000 Regardless.
02:12:23.000 But where does it stop where it's not fighting anymore?
02:12:27.000 Right.
02:12:28.000 It's just control.
02:12:29.000 Yeah.
02:12:29.000 Where's that?
02:12:30.000 It's a good question.
02:12:31.000 Yeah.
02:12:31.000 I am a purist.
02:12:33.000 And I believe if someone could hold you down like Ben Askren used to do in Bellator and just give you no by the rules for five rounds, that's it.
02:12:40.000 Like, and if you want to get up, figure out a way to get up.
02:12:42.000 But if you can't get up, well, you're definitely losing.
02:12:44.000 Yeah.
02:12:44.000 You know, you might not be losing the way Gonzaga beat Prokop.
02:12:49.000 Yeah.
02:12:49.000 But you're losing.
02:12:50.000 You're losing the fight.
02:12:51.000 And I think you have to be a purist.
02:12:54.000 You can't do it entire.
02:12:55.000 And they go, whoa, no, people stop tuning in.
02:12:57.000 No, they won't.
02:12:58.000 Because most people aren't going to fight like that.
02:13:00.000 Yeah.
02:13:00.000 Yeah.
02:13:00.000 People might boo.
02:13:01.000 Okay.
02:13:02.000 Let him boo.
02:13:03.000 Yeah.
02:13:03.000 This is what fighting is.
02:13:04.000 People are going to boo anyway.
02:13:06.000 They're animals.
02:13:07.000 Always find something to boo about.
02:13:09.000 Well, it's like if you had a fight like that after, like, did you see the Salt Lake City card?
02:13:14.000 When was that?
02:13:15.000 That was recently, like a couple weeks ago.
02:13:16.000 And it was like.
02:13:17.000 Alan?
02:13:18.000 It was, no.
02:13:19.000 The main event was Joshua Van and Pantoja.
02:13:24.000 Was that LA?
02:13:25.000 No, that was LA.
02:13:26.000 Am I wrong?
02:13:27.000 Yeah, I'm wrong.
02:13:28.000 What was the.
02:13:29.000 No, the main event was the women's flyweight title.
02:13:36.000 Yeah.
02:13:37.000 Natalia Silva and Wong Tong.
02:13:39.000 Yes.
02:13:40.000 That was the main event.
02:13:41.000 But all the fights up to that were fucking chaos.
02:13:44.000 It was all first round chaos.
02:13:46.000 I think the most knockouts in the card, wasn't it?
02:13:47.000 Yes.
02:13:48.000 So Davison Piguero got knocked out by Peyton Talbot.
02:13:53.000 Rebovics knocked out King Green.
02:13:55.000 I think that's it.
02:13:55.000 Soldich and Chaos Williams was a crazy fight.
02:13:58.000 Went to a United States decision.
02:14:00.000 And that was when Roman Kopilov knocked out Ateba Gautier.
02:14:03.000 So it was all these crazy chaotic fights.
02:14:06.000 And the main event was fucking fantastic.
02:14:07.000 It was a great main event.
02:14:09.000 Even though a lot of people were talking shit about it, it was a great fight.
02:14:11.000 Yeah.
02:14:11.000 A lot of fun.
02:14:12.000 But if you had a fight like that on that card, so every, I think it was like 10 first round stoppages.
02:14:19.000 If you had a fight where it was just a boring hold them down and give them noogies, the crowd's going to go nuts.
02:14:24.000 Yeah.
02:14:24.000 They're going to fuck you.
02:14:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:14:27.000 This is gay.
02:14:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:14:28.000 People are going to think, hey, the fans of this sport are funny, aren't they?
02:14:31.000 Oh, yeah.
02:14:32.000 They are funny.
02:14:32.000 They are like the best and worst of them.
02:14:35.000 Yes.
02:14:36.000 They jump ship so quickly.
02:14:38.000 It's like you have one hard fight, like, and you've been fighting for any amount of time and you're washed.
02:14:44.000 It's 11 knockouts.
02:14:45.000 I hate it.
02:14:46.000 Broke the record, the UFC record for the most knockouts in a single UFC event, surpassing.
02:14:51.000 Uh, Imavov versus Bohalyo.
02:14:53.000 That was that was when Johnny Walker's um the heavyweight debut, wasn't it?
02:14:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:15:00.000 You know what's funny is because I tuned in and I was watching it, I was like, man, I don't like this light heavyweight stuff.
02:15:07.000 Like, because I remember I just remember Johnny Walker from being a light heavyweight.
02:15:10.000 When I first saw him, I was like, man, maybe I should go back to middleweight because I still thought he was there.
02:15:15.000 And then I saw the heavyweight thing, I was like, ah, well, I think he was the point of diminishing returns where he lost so much weight to make light heavyweight, definitely, he couldn't take a shot.
02:15:24.000 Yeah, no, at all.
02:15:25.000 No.
02:15:27.000 When Jamal Hill knocked him out and he hit him with a straight right to the forehead and he just like.
02:15:32.000 Yeah.
02:15:32.000 Yeah, I just don't think he could take a shot with that.
02:15:34.000 He was so dehydrated.
02:15:35.000 His brain was dehydrated.
02:15:37.000 And he did it for so long, though.
02:15:38.000 Like, it took so long for him because he got hit in that fight, too, by heavyweights.
02:15:43.000 Yeah.
02:15:43.000 But also, his power carried over.
02:15:46.000 100%.
02:15:46.000 Well, he was always powerful.
02:15:48.000 Yeah.
02:15:48.000 Like, real.
02:15:49.000 And when you're 205, the difference between a guy who can knock you out at 205 and a guy who can knock you out above that is not much.
02:15:56.000 No, not much at all.
02:15:58.000 Those big guys like that.
02:15:59.000 Yeah.
02:16:00.000 Yeah.
02:16:01.000 Once you're above 205, everyone's got that touch of death almost.
02:16:06.000 That's how I treat training right now.
02:16:09.000 So, do you approach fighting differently now?
02:16:13.000 Are you thinking differently as you're fighting because you can't make any mistakes?
02:16:18.000 Definitely, definitely, definitely.
02:16:20.000 Can I quickly run to the bathroom before I answer that?
02:16:23.000 We'll be right back, folks.
02:16:24.000 We've got to be.
02:16:26.000 And we're back.
02:16:27.000 Okay, so we're talking about you training differently and fighting differently with bigger guys.
02:16:33.000 And that you have a very.
02:16:35.000 Distinctly different mindset.
02:16:37.000 Yeah, definitely.
02:16:38.000 It's well, it all started like when I was at my last fight at middleweight with Derrida.
02:16:45.000 I did not enjoy that camp.
02:16:47.000 I did not enjoy that fight.
02:16:48.000 Like something was missing.
02:16:50.000 I was like, I did the flame, the flare, the fire kind of fizzled out a little bit.
02:16:55.000 And at that point, I was like, man, what am I doing?
02:16:58.000 Got to something has to change.
02:17:00.000 I'm not enjoying it as I should be.
02:17:02.000 And obviously, the 12 week camp or whatever you do before the fight.
02:17:09.000 Leads itself a lot to that, like it lends itself, yeah.
02:17:13.000 It makes the whole thing a drag, you know.
02:17:17.000 But then the changes, I was like, Well, let's go to light heavyweight.
02:17:20.000 People have been saying for years, like, you should go to light heavyweight because I've always been a heavier set guy, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do this.
02:17:26.000 And then, but more than that, needed a change.
02:17:28.000 I wanted to enjoy fighting, I wanted to bring the love back for it, so I just started being a bit freer.
02:17:33.000 You know how we were talking about the happy Rob is, yeah, being a bit freer.
02:17:37.000 I stopped like whilst fighting.
02:17:42.000 Is like I'm hyper focused on fighting, and that is like something that is the objective, that is the goal.
02:17:49.000 I took a little bit off, stepped away a little bit from it so that I could go to my kids' soccer games, you know, instead of running sandhills, things like that.
02:18:00.000 I started enjoying kind of the moments between fighting, which is there's a lot, right?
02:18:06.000 So just enjoying that made such a big mental difference.
02:18:11.000 And then I took that into the workroom, and in the workroom, A big thing was just like, let's not get hit.
02:18:17.000 Let's try not to get hit at all.
02:18:18.000 These guys are big guys.
02:18:20.000 They have, every one of them has the touch of death.
02:18:23.000 Let's not play around with that.
02:18:26.000 Let's not roll the dice.
02:18:27.000 Let's try to be as evasive and as technical as I can.
02:18:30.000 Cause that's where I see me having, like everyone else in the division.
02:18:34.000 I think my skill set is higher holistically across the board.
02:18:39.000 And yeah, that took me into that fight.
02:18:42.000 And I felt really comfortable.
02:18:45.000 Obviously, I was fighting a lot of nervous demons and nerves, like coming off two losses, making the move up.
02:18:50.000 Everyone's seen that story.
02:18:53.000 But yeah, no, it was for the better.
02:18:57.000 For the better mentally, like the way you felt.
02:19:00.000 Definitely.
02:19:00.000 Definitely.
02:19:01.000 I felt way better.
02:19:02.000 The camp was much more enjoyable.
02:19:04.000 The tricky part is now the after camp, the after the fight period block.
02:19:11.000 Because I'm a bigger guy and I can eat more, I'm going to like eating is a slippery slope.
02:19:16.000 Yeah.
02:19:16.000 Tell me about it.
02:19:19.000 I'm a glutton.
02:19:20.000 I know what you're talking about.
02:19:21.000 Everyone can relate.
02:19:23.000 Yeah.
02:19:23.000 It's just, it's, it's, So, I'm trying to work on that still because, whereas, like, when middleweight, I could, you know, I'd get bigger, but you can't go too crazy because you know you've got to get back down to 85 at one point.
02:19:37.000 Yeah.
02:19:38.000 Whereas, light heavyweight, I can eat everything.
02:19:40.000 What are you walking around at before you start your cut?
02:19:43.000 I'm 106 kilos now.
02:19:45.000 So, is that 232?
02:19:47.000 Not too bad.
02:19:48.000 Yeah.
02:19:49.000 But still, yeah, 25 pounds.
02:19:52.000 Yeah.
02:19:52.000 I can, like, I can train now, but not great.
02:19:57.000 I don't want to start a camp at this weight.
02:19:58.000 Put it that way.
02:19:59.000 Right.
02:20:00.000 I think it's too heavy to start a camp.
02:20:02.000 And what do you get down to when you start your camp?
02:20:04.000 Probably 103.
02:20:05.000 So that's, I don't know, 220.
02:20:09.000 No.
02:20:10.000 225?
02:20:11.000 10 pounds less.
02:20:13.000 It's 2.205 per pound or per kilo to transfer to pounds.
02:20:18.000 So what is the total?
02:20:19.000 So three would be like seven.
02:20:20.000 It's like 6.6 pounds.
02:20:22.000 So what's the total?
02:20:24.000 What?
02:20:24.000 It'd be like 225 ish.
02:20:28.000 Yeah, from 232.
02:20:29.000 It's dropping down six.
02:20:31.000 Yeah, somewhat.
02:20:32.000 So just enough?
02:20:34.000 Yeah.
02:20:34.000 Do you get close?
02:20:35.000 Well, you just lose a little bit of that beer gut.
02:20:38.000 What do you get down to, like, the week of the fight?
02:20:42.000 I do my cut in the bath at 220.
02:20:45.000 Ooh, okay.
02:20:46.000 So you're still cutting 15?
02:20:47.000 Yeah.
02:20:48.000 Yeah.
02:20:49.000 Yeah.
02:20:50.000 Interesting.
02:20:51.000 Yeah.
02:20:51.000 Because it's like I mentioned, I'm a good sweater.
02:20:55.000 So I can do that in about an hour and a half.
02:20:57.000 15 pounds?
02:20:58.000 Yeah.
02:20:58.000 Wow.
02:20:59.000 Just hop in a bath, hour and a half.
02:21:01.000 The bath is the move?
02:21:03.000 I've done.
02:21:04.000 Because I've been fighting so long, and when I started, like you couldn't just Google how to cut weight, you just get these wrestling sort of camps, right?
02:21:11.000 It's very different.
02:21:12.000 Like, they'd be like, go for a 15 mile run, wrapped up in sweats, which I did.
02:21:16.000 That's how I started.
02:21:17.000 That's how everyone cut weight in the beginning, right?
02:21:19.000 You put on your sweats, you go for a run, right?
02:21:22.000 But, but I did, I did sauna.
02:21:25.000 The problem with the sauna is if I stay too long in there, my esophagus dries out sometimes and like it like burns if it's hot enough.
02:21:33.000 How hot are you getting in there?
02:21:35.000 I'm not sure.
02:21:36.000 Like, I want to sweat because.
02:21:38.000 Because, like, when you start sweating, maybe it was too hot for too long.
02:21:41.000 But I talked to Ethan Ewing about that.
02:21:43.000 Yeah.
02:21:43.000 And one of the things that he was saying is he doesn't do it at like a really high temperature, he does it at like 165, I think he was saying.
02:21:50.000 Well, I know the science supports that.
02:21:53.000 You just needed to be hot enough to sweat.
02:21:57.000 So, but that's kind of our dunk.
02:21:59.000 Not really weaken yourself.
02:22:00.000 Yeah.
02:22:00.000 That was his take.
02:22:01.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:22:02.000 That at really high temperatures, you're actually breaking your body down too much.
02:22:05.000 And you could sweat as much at a lower temperature.
02:22:09.000 But you're not going to be like tortured.
02:22:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:22:12.000 That's kind of why I do bath because you just put it warm, you hop in, lay down, you're resting.
02:22:19.000 You know, it's like training or like running or moving or hitting mitts while I'm dehydrating.
02:22:24.000 Like when I have to fight the day after, right?
02:22:26.000 You know, you're wearing yourself out.
02:22:28.000 I feel like I'm wearing myself out.
02:22:29.000 I don't have the water to like sustain the muscles.
02:22:32.000 You know, it's just, it's just, and it's like you can just chill out, put some music on.
02:22:37.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
02:22:38.000 Yeah, I find it like comfortable almost.
02:22:40.000 Well, people are finding all sorts of different ways to figure out.
02:22:42.000 Do you water load?
02:22:45.000 Hit and miss with that one.
02:22:47.000 Hit and miss because I don't know if it actually works.
02:22:50.000 Really?
02:22:51.000 Yeah, because like I'll do it and it'll come off, but I don't know if the weight's coming off just because of the diet change or if because it's actually because of the water.
02:23:02.000 And also, like, depending on who you speak to, people water load differently.
02:23:07.000 Some guys like restrict it, some guys go backwards, some guys go up to only a certain amount, some guys go as high as they can.
02:23:14.000 It's just.
02:23:15.000 It's all kind of different.
02:23:16.000 I think I do it now more as like superstition.
02:23:21.000 That's funny.
02:23:23.000 Just because you think you're supposed to.
02:23:25.000 Yeah.
02:23:25.000 And because like it'd be worse if it does, if it did work and I get in the bath and I have to cut like 20 pounds.
02:23:34.000 Right.
02:23:34.000 You know?
02:23:35.000 Yeah.
02:23:36.000 Have you ever done it with like one of those elite weight cutting coaches?
02:23:40.000 Like there's a few of those guys that people bring in that are like real experts in monitoring the exact amount of sodium you take and the exact amount of water you drink.
02:23:50.000 At this day, and the amount that you drink at that day, and they get you perfectly to that threshold?
02:23:55.000 No, no, I haven't.
02:23:56.000 But I've got to ask you, like, how much, especially in like, if we look at the grassroots of fighting, like, we are just two men with sticks and rocks, right?
02:24:06.000 We're just like cavemen.
02:24:08.000 Like, how much sometimes does science dilute what it is we're doing?
02:24:15.000 We're just oonga boongering.
02:24:17.000 You know, we are.
02:24:20.000 Like, sort of.
02:24:22.000 But also super skillful.
02:24:25.000 There's both things that are happening simultaneously.
02:24:27.000 It's like skill and technique, but it's also fucking raw.
02:24:31.000 That's in there too.
02:24:32.000 And that'll get you so far.
02:24:36.000 Having that dog, that guy that'll go further than you will.
02:24:41.000 Most fighters have it.
02:24:42.000 But I wonder sometimes if the science, if sometimes we get too caught up in science, because you see that a lot with today's.
02:24:51.000 Like younger guys coming in, like their parents are getting them into it because they've been watching QFC their whole life.
02:24:56.000 So the kids starting mixed martial arts with like an elite program and they're like doing the best things, eating the best foods, like and they get too technical when a lot of the guys that are champions and stuff like that they're just punching on in garages, right?
02:25:14.000 Or Strickland, yeah, look at Strickland.
02:25:16.000 Like that's not the most scientific approach just to constantly spar and talk to people while you're sparring them.
02:25:24.000 To be fair, like, he's able to constantly spike because he's beating people up.
02:25:30.000 Right?
02:25:30.000 Like, he's beating good people up.
02:25:33.000 Yeah, I'm sure it'd be different if he was like getting brain damage every time he stepped in there.
02:25:37.000 Yes.
02:25:38.000 Yeah, well, he's got a very elusive style.
02:25:40.000 It's a weird style.
02:25:42.000 It's tricky, isn't it?
02:25:43.000 Stands straight up, hard to take down, deep kicks to the body.
02:25:47.000 And a lot of it is predicated on that right leg being all fucked up.
02:25:51.000 You know, he blew his leg apart in a motorcycle accident.
02:25:53.000 Yeah.
02:25:54.000 He's missing a big piece of his quad.
02:25:55.000 His story is actually, like, really cool.
02:25:58.000 Like his comeback story.
02:25:59.000 It's kind of crazy.
02:26:00.000 Yeah.
02:26:01.000 He's a very unusual guy and very underestimated in terms of his intelligence because he says so many wild things.
02:26:07.000 Yeah.
02:26:07.000 But he fights intelligently and it's a difficult style.
02:26:11.000 Like you see when he fought Fletcher.
02:26:12.000 Hernandez, like Hernandez was on a tear up into that fight, yeah.
02:26:16.000 And Strickland just beat the brakes off of him easily, yeah.
02:26:20.000 Like, it wasn't the brakes, it wasn't close, it wasn't close.
02:26:24.000 And the fans are the fans are brutal because, like, they just as soon as that happened, everyone was like, fraud checked, fraud checked.
02:26:31.000 That's the worst.
02:26:32.000 Oh, they're the worst.
02:26:32.000 That fraud check thing, fuck you, yeah.
02:26:34.000 There's so many casuals, and not just casuals, but cruel people.
02:26:39.000 Like, they say cruel things for engagement, yeah, and they think they're being intelligent when they're saying it.
02:26:43.000 Like, off man, you're a cunt, and fighting is like.
02:26:47.000 It is the most primal, vulnerable position two men can be in.
02:26:53.000 You know what I mean?
02:26:54.000 Like, these are two guys out there putting their souls on a line with the consequence of getting knocked out in front of their friends and family and the world.
02:27:01.000 Yeah.
02:27:02.000 It's like, no one takes that risk except these guys for your entertainment.
02:27:06.000 Right.
02:27:08.000 And then these guys just backstab us.
02:27:10.000 Yeah.
02:27:11.000 It's brutal.
02:27:12.000 And it's usually the loudest voices of the biggest pussies.
02:27:16.000 Yeah.
02:27:16.000 The biggest pussies.
02:27:17.000 Yeah.
02:27:18.000 Yeah.
02:27:18.000 And, you know, it's like I heard a lot of that from Peyton Talbot after he lost to Howney Barcelos.
02:27:23.000 Yeah.
02:27:24.000 They were saying, fraud check, fraud check.
02:27:25.000 No, He found an area of his game that he needs to improve.
02:27:30.000 And then look what happened when he came back.
02:27:31.000 Then he did.
02:27:32.000 He figured it out.
02:27:33.000 He figured it out, bitch.
02:27:34.000 And he came back and fucked up Henry Silliman.
02:27:36.000 He's killing people, man.
02:27:37.000 He's killing people.
02:27:38.000 He's killing people.
02:27:39.000 He's so good.
02:27:40.000 He's so good.
02:27:41.000 I really hope that fight with him and Sugar Sean O'Malley takes place.
02:27:46.000 I really hope that fight takes place because I think.
02:27:48.000 That is such a good fight.
02:27:49.000 That is a gigantic fight and such a good fight on paper.
02:27:54.000 You know?
02:27:54.000 Do you reckon Peyton wrestles?
02:27:56.000 Because he can wrestle.
02:27:58.000 He can wrestle.
02:27:59.000 I mean, he certainly did with Henry Cejudo.
02:28:01.000 It's possible.
02:28:02.000 I mean, that's an area of his game that he just jumped way up after the Howny Barcelos fight.
02:28:08.000 Oh, my God.
02:28:09.000 He just, yeah, like he took the wrestling to Cejudo.
02:28:13.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
02:28:14.000 When he took Cejudo down, I was like, this is madness.
02:28:16.000 This kid is special.
02:28:17.000 I always cheek.
02:28:18.000 He's very special.
02:28:19.000 He's very, very unique in his approach to this.
02:28:22.000 And you can tell he's feeling himself right now.
02:28:24.000 Like he's flowing, he's in that flow state right now.
02:28:27.000 Yeah, man.
02:28:28.000 And he loves it.
02:28:29.000 He loves competing.
02:28:30.000 He loves fighting.
02:28:30.000 He really does.
02:28:31.000 Really, really does.
02:28:33.000 To me, there's a lot of great fights for him.
02:28:34.000 And I understand Sean's position.
02:28:35.000 If I was Sean, I would not take that fight right now either.
02:28:38.000 Because Pyotr Jan and Rob Dwavish-Willi are going to fight this weekend.
02:28:42.000 And if Pyotr Jan wins again, the big fight is him and Sean O'Malley.
02:28:47.000 Because the last fight that he lost was to Sean O'Malley.
02:28:50.000 So that is an amazing.
02:28:51.000 And they were close.
02:28:53.000 It was very close.
02:28:54.000 And also a three-rounder.
02:28:55.000 Yeah.
02:28:56.000 Right?
02:28:56.000 So imagine if that fight goes five, who knows what happens, right?
02:29:00.000 It gets crazy.
02:29:01.000 I think that's where the money is too.
02:29:03.000 The money's there.
02:29:04.000 Also, it's like that's the fight you want.
02:29:06.000 Like, yeah, Peyton Talbot would be a good fight for the fans, but that's not the right fight to take right now.
02:29:11.000 Yeah.
02:29:11.000 It's great for Peyton.
02:29:13.000 Yeah.
02:29:13.000 Yeah.
02:29:13.000 I mean, but there's a lot of great fights for Peyton.
02:29:15.000 There's so many good names.
02:29:17.000 Yeah, he's right up there.
02:29:18.000 He's just dismantling people.
02:29:19.000 There's so many good fights in that division.
02:29:22.000 There's so many good fights in that division.
02:29:24.000 That division is just fucking chock full of talent.
02:29:27.000 You know, 135 right now is a, like, I think.
02:29:31.000 Yeah, it's a melting pot, isn't it?
02:29:32.000 The biggest divisions right now are probably like.
02:29:35.000 50 is 55 is insane.
02:29:37.000 55 is just fucking insane.
02:29:39.000 There's so much talent at 55.
02:29:41.000 It's fun right now.
02:29:42.000 Yeah, it's fun.
02:29:43.000 70s fucking insane.
02:29:45.000 Yeah.
02:29:45.000 You know, it's like there's 45 is insane.
02:29:49.000 And 55 is all laying on whether or not Justin decides to retire.
02:29:53.000 Yeah.
02:29:54.000 What does he do?
02:29:54.000 Who does he fight?
02:29:56.000 Who do you think he fights?
02:29:58.000 I think Armin's the fight.
02:29:59.000 Yeah.
02:30:00.000 The big fight is Armin, especially after what Armin did to Hufi.
02:30:03.000 That's the big fight.
02:30:04.000 And also, it's like that's the most compelling fight because Armin looks like indestructible.
02:30:08.000 Yes.
02:30:09.000 He looks like the guy.
02:30:10.000 Yeah.
02:30:11.000 And he's like that hoofie really made a statement, really cemented the argument.
02:30:17.000 And arguably, he's already supposed to fight for the title.
02:30:20.000 Right.
02:30:21.000 If it wasn't for that one thing where he hurt his back the day before he was fighting Islam, it would have already happened.
02:30:27.000 And look, he fought Islam in his first fight ever in the UFC on Champions League.
02:30:30.000 What a shot at David Bjorn.
02:30:32.000 Right.
02:30:33.000 And that close.
02:30:34.000 I mean, razor close decision loss to Islam.
02:30:38.000 One of the best ever.
02:30:39.000 Yeah.
02:30:39.000 So he's really fucking good.
02:30:42.000 And that's the fight.
02:30:43.000 However, if I was Justin and I'm looking at the landscape and I'm like, well, who do I fight?
02:30:51.000 I mean, you could fight if Oliveira wins in his next fight and Oliveira retains the BMF title and then Justin fights him in a rematch for the BMF title and for the lightweight title together, I could see that fight too.
02:31:07.000 But it seems like you're denying Armand what he's deserved.
02:31:10.000 Yes.
02:31:11.000 Armand deserves a title.
02:31:12.000 And he's been fighting.
02:31:13.000 Yeah.
02:31:13.000 Like, In fighting Huffy, especially after the performances Huffy's been putting on there.
02:31:18.000 Especially the one at the White House against Chandler.
02:31:20.000 That was an execution.
02:31:21.000 Yeah.
02:31:22.000 That one was crazy.
02:31:23.000 I saw that coming, but.
02:31:24.000 Saw it coming.
02:31:25.000 I think everyone saw it coming.
02:31:27.000 I was saying, Chandler, I really hope you figure something out here.
02:31:31.000 Yeah.
02:31:31.000 But, you know, Chandler's style is so difficult to handle that long, tall, elite striker at this stage of his life.
02:31:39.000 I mean, Chandler's 40.
02:31:40.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:31:41.000 At this stage of his life.
02:31:42.000 That makes me wonder.
02:31:42.000 It's like, look at Gaichi.
02:31:45.000 Look at Chandler.
02:31:45.000 Look at like most of the guys in my division.
02:31:48.000 I think I'm one of the younger ones.
02:31:50.000 Right.
02:31:50.000 You know, like, why do you, the age of these athletes are just going up.
02:31:55.000 Well, I think with proper training and with all the different sports science modalities today, like particularly people that are using hyperbaric chambers, red light therapy, saunas, cold plunges, massage, all these different training methods that they're doing to strengthen all their tissues and make sure they don't get injured and increasing their cardio scientifically and all the nutrition, everybody's got everything dialed in.
02:32:19.000 You can extend your lifespan a lot further than you could a few years back.
02:32:24.000 Well, I hold a great belief in longevity.
02:32:28.000 Like, that's why me and my wife actually just created an app that, like, really focuses on sports science, longevity, personal strength.
02:32:35.000 What's it called?
02:32:36.000 Ascend Fitness by Rob.
02:32:38.000 Ascend Fitness by Rob.
02:32:39.000 All right.
02:32:40.000 It's something like, so what's, there it is.
02:32:42.000 Yeah.
02:32:43.000 Handsome bastard.
02:32:45.000 So, what is, what's going on in this?
02:32:48.000 What's in the app?
02:32:50.000 It's, honestly, it's programmed just like, Built around making like what got me to be able to perform for so long because you know how rare it is to be able to fight at this level for the length of time, right?
02:33:02.000 Like, that's always the hardest thing is longevity.
02:33:04.000 The turnover rate in the UFC is like super fast, so like, performance, doing these little things, performance training, conditioning to make life better.
02:33:14.000 We just want to make life better, but what we do differently, and this is kind of an avenue that I started playing with the idea when I wasn't going on a title run before I had my success in my last fight.
02:33:26.000 It's like, I want to.
02:33:27.000 Move into like health, fitness with my wife.
02:33:30.000 I always want to do it with my wife because she's the one that got me into everything.
02:33:33.000 So I wanted to be able to give back, create an community, get guys on board, start working up.
02:33:40.000 Like we have monthly QAs where people can talk to me.
02:33:42.000 Like I want to get to know people, I want to be able to tell them, like give me questions.
02:33:47.000 We have a bunch of coaches on board that can give like form feedback straight away, but also just to talk to.
02:33:52.000 I think that's so important, especially with training.
02:33:54.000 Like you need that human element of what's going on, how you're feeling, where's your head at, because that.
02:34:01.000 As we spoke earlier, it's like happy Rob's a dangerous Rob.
02:34:06.000 That mental ability.
02:34:08.000 It's like when you're, you know, when you're feeling on top of the world and you can do anything.
02:34:12.000 Like, we try and make sure you have that every day just by check ins, by talking and things like that.
02:34:17.000 I'm going to sneeze.
02:34:18.000 I'm going to hope I don't blow my back out.
02:34:22.000 You've got to flex that.
02:34:23.000 Because that fucking thing hurts.
02:34:25.000 And I'm like, all right, I'm okay.
02:34:26.000 I thought I sneezed.
02:34:27.000 Flex that core.
02:34:28.000 So, have you ever worked with a sports psychologist?
02:34:33.000 I've, yeah, throughout my career, I have.
02:34:35.000 I spoke to one.
02:34:37.000 But what do they do for you?
02:34:39.000 It depends.
02:34:44.000 I think guys, and this is just my take, okay?
02:34:47.000 Because everyone has their own take on everything.
02:34:50.000 I think guys sometimes just need to talk, like just shit talk, you know?
02:34:54.000 Like that.
02:34:54.000 I think that's why pub culture was so important for men, you know, going through the years, because they lower their guard a little bit and they just start shit talking.
02:35:05.000 It's like what we're doing now.
02:35:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:35:07.000 This is great.
02:35:07.000 We can just start, we're just talking.
02:35:10.000 And in that, I'm venting, I'm letting out stresses.
02:35:13.000 I'm saying things that make me vulnerable.
02:35:15.000 I'm saying things that, like, I just want another opinion on because, like, sometimes you just need to say something and then you need the other guy to be like, nah, you're a pussy.
02:35:24.000 You know what I mean?
02:35:25.000 And sometimes that gets you going.
02:35:26.000 You're like, you know what?
02:35:27.000 Yes.
02:35:28.000 Or he goes, nah, it'd be all right.
02:35:30.000 And, you know, just talking.
02:35:32.000 I think talking is so important.
02:35:33.000 Right.
02:35:34.000 So, like, it helps you come to grips with whatever the thing is bouncing around inside your head by yourself.
02:35:39.000 Yeah, because as men, as fighters, some of our thoughts aren't.
02:35:46.000 Like, talk to your wife's thoughts.
02:35:48.000 You know what I mean?
02:35:51.000 Like, to all the women out there, this one's to the bed.
02:35:55.000 Like, we get it.
02:35:56.000 You get it.
02:35:56.000 Like, our thoughts are sometimes stupid, but we just need a place to put them.
02:36:01.000 Right.
02:36:02.000 And put them with another man who's going to understand.
02:36:06.000 Dude, I get it.
02:36:06.000 Someone's going to say, I get it.
02:36:08.000 I think so.
02:36:08.000 And then, obviously, that's why, like, support circles and friends and family are super important.
02:36:14.000 Like, having those guys you can turn to and just.
02:36:18.000 Just talk to, man.
02:36:19.000 You know?
02:36:20.000 Yeah, well, that's when guys run a foul in their gym and have to leave the gym, that's always like a giant problem because the people that you train with on a daily basis, you spar with, you grind with, those are like brothers.
02:36:37.000 Yep.
02:36:37.000 And people who have gone to competition with people that they've trained with constantly, like, you have so much invested in them.
02:36:45.000 Like, you, it hurt.
02:36:47.000 It's sometimes, I've seen this with.
02:36:49.000 Training partners where their friends fighting makes them more nervous than when they're fighting.
02:36:53.000 Oh, yeah.
02:36:54.000 It's a love that they have for these guys.
02:36:55.000 I can't go to any of my teammates' fights.
02:36:57.000 Like, it kills me.
02:36:59.000 Like, it just kills me.
02:37:01.000 But you're 100% right.
02:37:03.000 Like, guys you've bled and sweat with in the gym for any amount of time, like, you build a connection there.
02:37:10.000 Like, even if you don't like them, like, there's heaps of guys in my gym that I don't bond with.
02:37:13.000 Like, I want to go, I'm not going to go to them and be like, hey, let's go grab some food.
02:37:16.000 But you still root for them.
02:37:17.000 Oh, if he calls me up and says, I need help, I'm getting jumped, I'm there.
02:37:22.000 I'm in the car already.
02:37:23.000 Like, we're that close.
02:37:24.000 Right.
02:37:24.000 Or if, like, if he's like, yeah, it's just, you build that sort of bond.
02:37:29.000 Like, it's a brotherhood.
02:37:30.000 Yes.
02:37:30.000 You know, and.
02:37:31.000 So when you see a guy, like, leave a gym, it's like, I've never had.
02:37:35.000 Yeah, that's got to be huge.
02:37:36.000 I've never had that happen.
02:37:38.000 I don't know what happened with Izzy.
02:37:40.000 You know, I don't know what's going on, but I know he left City Kickboxing, and that was a stunner for me.
02:37:45.000 I was like, I can't believe it.
02:37:46.000 Because Eugene Behrman has been a staple part of his career.
02:37:49.000 Yeah.
02:37:50.000 And he's an amazing coach.
02:37:51.000 Like, he's so good.
02:37:52.000 And he's such a mastermind.
02:37:54.000 He's one of the few real.
02:37:55.000 Legitimate masterminds in the sport.
02:37:57.000 So when I saw that, I was like, oh no.
02:38:00.000 Like, that's a bad place to be.
02:38:01.000 Like, psychologically, you leave the family.
02:38:06.000 Yeah.
02:38:06.000 And for all I know, I think he's still living in New Zealand too.
02:38:11.000 And that was huge for me because I had just trained with him there.
02:38:16.000 Like I was just training with him there.
02:38:18.000 And then, you know, I found that out.
02:38:19.000 And obviously, I'm still going to go to CKB and stuff because I have a good relationship with them and I did some really good work with it.
02:38:25.000 And for me, everywhere is so far for Australia.
02:38:30.000 Right.
02:38:30.000 Australia's on the arse end of nowhere.
02:38:33.000 I realized that covered flying here.
02:38:34.000 It was like to get to Austin, it was like 17 and a half hours of flight time.
02:38:38.000 Oh my God.
02:38:39.000 Like.
02:38:40.000 Why?
02:38:40.000 We're so far.
02:38:43.000 Well, that's why people want to build bunkers over there.
02:38:46.000 Exactly.
02:38:47.000 That's like the selling point.
02:38:49.000 All those fucking billionaire dudes who are like worried about the end of the world, they all get a bunker in either New Zealand or Australia.
02:38:56.000 Yeah.
02:38:56.000 Well, that's why I like New Zealand because obviously, like the Kiwis guys, they're big boys.
02:39:02.000 Yes.
02:39:02.000 And you've got some good prospects like Navajo, Sterling right now.
02:39:05.000 Yeah.
02:39:06.000 Carlos Ulberg, obviously.
02:39:07.000 Yeah.
02:39:07.000 Tyson Pedro, like these big boys that I can run with.
02:39:10.000 But for me, it's only like.
02:39:12.000 Three hours.
02:39:13.000 That's a cool, two, yeah, like three hour flight.
02:39:16.000 That's great.
02:39:16.000 Yeah.
02:39:18.000 That's great.
02:39:18.000 Like, yeah, I can't ask for more.
02:39:20.000 Yeah, you guys live in a crazy country.
02:39:22.000 It's so big and there's so few people in it.
02:39:25.000 So it's so, everything's so far away.
02:39:27.000 Yeah.
02:39:27.000 But, but a lot of like the non, I don't know, a lot of it's desert.
02:39:31.000 I know, but you have the population of Los Angeles in a country the size of the United States.
02:39:37.000 Don't say it like that.
02:39:38.000 Don't say it like that.
02:39:40.000 You guys always like, it's not a bad thing.
02:39:41.000 You guys always come over here like, oh, that's cute.
02:39:44.000 Listen, I love Australia.
02:39:45.000 I love it.
02:39:46.000 I love the people.
02:39:47.000 They're very friendly.
02:39:48.000 It's a fun culture.
02:39:49.000 I really do love Australia.
02:39:51.000 But I mean, just the actual geography of Australia is crazy and it's filled with things that want to kill you.
02:39:59.000 Yes.
02:39:59.000 Well, you guys got to start killing those crocodiles.
02:40:03.000 No, but you guys.
02:40:04.000 Bring back killing crocodiles.
02:40:05.000 Make that fun again.
02:40:06.000 Make that fun.
02:40:07.000 Why are you guys letting the crocodiles live?
02:40:09.000 That's insane.
02:40:10.000 They're protected and they're eating people.
02:40:12.000 They're not eating people, they're eating people.
02:40:14.000 Oh, mate, if you were stupid enough.
02:40:16.000 See, if you're stupid enough to go for a swim in the river that you clearly can't see the bottom of.
02:40:23.000 Listen, this is how I feel.
02:40:25.000 If I live in a place and I'm a human, anything else that lives in the place that wants to kill me should be dead.
02:40:34.000 Dead.
02:40:35.000 Fuck you.
02:40:36.000 This is my ground.
02:40:37.000 I'm the person, I'm the one with the brain, the opposable thumbs, and I have the guns.
02:40:41.000 Fuck off.
02:40:43.000 If you want to eat my kids, I kill all of you.
02:40:45.000 There's none of you left.
02:40:46.000 I put a few of you in a zoo.
02:40:48.000 And we could stare at you from behind the glass.
02:40:50.000 Fuck you forever.
02:40:52.000 It's funny.
02:40:52.000 Alligators seem cute by comparison to crocs.
02:40:55.000 They do.
02:40:56.000 Alligators kind of like dopey crocs.
02:40:58.000 Have you ever seen what happens when they get the two of them together?
02:41:00.000 So they feed them?
02:41:02.000 So there's this place in Florida where they have alligators and crocodiles all intermingling and Nile crocodiles.
02:41:08.000 And so when they feed them, the crocodiles run over the top of the alligators' heads to get the food.
02:41:15.000 They're like, fuck you.
02:41:16.000 Give me that food, bitch.
02:41:18.000 It's like, you're just a pretend croc anyway.
02:41:21.000 It's like the difference between a fucking golden retriever and a pit bull.
02:41:26.000 The thing that gets me, like, brown snakes are annoying.
02:41:29.000 I hate those because I like kids.
02:41:31.000 Well, because they kill you.
02:41:32.000 Yeah, they're very poisonous.
02:41:33.000 The only person in Australia would say they're annoying.
02:41:37.000 Well, they don't hang out with you.
02:41:39.000 It's not like they're trying to invade.
02:41:40.000 They just.
02:41:41.000 Oh, I understand.
02:41:42.000 Just don't go into any hot bushes.
02:41:45.000 So you have to go into a hot bush.
02:41:47.000 The funnel webs, as well.
02:41:49.000 They're very venomous, but just don't put your hands in any wet holes.
02:41:53.000 Like.
02:41:55.000 Yeah.
02:41:56.000 Always good advice, anyway.
02:41:57.000 Yeah, good advice.
02:41:58.000 Solid advice.
02:41:59.000 Can keep you out of trouble, trust me, guys.
02:42:00.000 Take them to the bank.
02:42:01.000 But it's just you have so many different bugs and spiders.
02:42:05.000 Like my friend Adam Greentree, he lives over there.
02:42:07.000 He just got bit two months ago by some fucking spider when he was camping.
02:42:11.000 And it's like lethal.
02:42:12.000 He almost died.
02:42:13.000 No.
02:42:14.000 Yes.
02:42:14.000 Really?
02:42:15.000 Yeah, I forget what it's called.
02:42:16.000 Some green something or another.
02:42:17.000 He told me, and apparently it didn't even get him.
02:42:20.000 What happened was as he slapped it, it was crawling on him.
02:42:24.000 And as he slapped it, its stinger went into him a little bit, but not enough to kill him because otherwise it would have been lethal.
02:42:31.000 No, really?
02:42:32.000 Yeah.
02:42:32.000 You know, and I thought of this just now.
02:42:34.000 Maybe.
02:42:36.000 The reason why we let them all live is to keep people out.
02:42:39.000 It's not a bad idea.
02:42:40.000 That's a great idea.
02:42:41.000 Right.
02:42:41.000 You keep your population low.
02:42:42.000 It's like less problems.
02:42:44.000 Because, like, a lot of Americans are like, Australia's everything's going to kill you.
02:42:47.000 I've never gone to Australia.
02:42:50.000 It's not that bad.
02:42:51.000 I have friends that go over there and hunt all the time.
02:42:54.000 But it is a great country in terms of the spirit of the people.
02:42:58.000 Yes.
02:42:59.000 They're a fun people.
02:43:00.000 Yes.
02:43:00.000 Generally speaking, Australians are fun.
02:43:02.000 It's a great place to do comedy.
02:43:04.000 It's like they have a good time.
02:43:06.000 It's like it's a great drinking culture.
02:43:08.000 It's a great laughing culture.
02:43:09.000 It's a lot of fun.
02:43:10.000 The drinking culture is a slippery slope.
02:43:13.000 It's like, because we probably like it a bit too much.
02:43:16.000 Yeah, as it is everywhere where it's fun.
02:43:18.000 Yeah.
02:43:19.000 But it's fucking Ireland or anywhere.
02:43:23.000 The vibe at the club last night was just amazing.
02:43:27.000 The energy was so good.
02:43:28.000 It was my first time.
02:43:29.000 And that has sparked my ambition to go to ones in Sydney and stuff.
02:43:35.000 Well, this is a great comic.
02:43:36.000 That lived in Austin for a while and he moved to Australia.
02:43:40.000 James McCann.
02:43:41.000 He's one of my favorites.
02:43:42.000 He's one of the best up and coming comics in the world right now and fucking hilarious Australian dude.
02:43:48.000 And he went back.
02:43:49.000 His wife just had a new baby and she wanted to help with the family.
02:43:53.000 And so they went back to Australia.
02:43:55.000 But he's planning on coming back to America again.
02:43:57.000 But if he's performing in Australia, I'll send you to him.
02:44:00.000 Yeah.
02:44:00.000 Because he's fucking great.
02:44:02.000 He's so funny.
02:44:03.000 Yeah.
02:44:03.000 I've got.
02:44:04.000 There he is.
02:44:04.000 McCann.
02:44:05.000 Performing in November.
02:44:07.000 Oh, there he is.
02:44:08.000 So Perth, Adelaide, Sydney, and Brisbane.
02:44:11.000 Yeah.
02:44:12.000 In November.
02:44:13.000 Yeah.
02:44:13.000 Go see that dude.
02:44:14.000 I've got the itch now.
02:44:15.000 Fucking brilliant.
02:44:16.000 Yeah.
02:44:17.000 I've got the itch.
02:44:18.000 That was a great time.
02:44:19.000 It's fun, right?
02:44:20.000 It was fun.
02:44:20.000 It was great.
02:44:21.000 It was great.
02:44:22.000 It was just like relaxed.
02:44:23.000 Everyone's laughing.
02:44:24.000 Like laughter is special.
02:44:26.000 Yeah.
02:44:27.000 It's special.
02:44:28.000 It gives you a special sort of energy.
02:44:30.000 I'm very big on energy of people and stuff like that.
02:44:32.000 So when you get, you put them all in one place and it's just.
02:44:37.000 With one goal to have a good time.
02:44:38.000 Exactly.
02:44:39.000 Yeah.
02:44:39.000 And that's, it's one of the few places in the world, really, where everyone comes with like.
02:44:45.000 No baggage.
02:44:46.000 Right.
02:44:46.000 Like, no one comes with any sort of expectation of everyone has the same goal, same objective.
02:44:51.000 Yeah, good intentions.
02:44:53.000 Go there to have a good time.
02:44:54.000 And that's sort of burned into the spirit of the building by this point.
02:44:58.000 You know, we've been open for a few years.
02:45:00.000 It's like just, I really believe that.
02:45:03.000 Like, the comedy store in LA is a great example of that.
02:45:05.000 When you go there, it's like burned into the walls of the building, the laughter, all the years of fun, excitement.
02:45:11.000 Yeah.
02:45:12.000 The energy seeped into the concrete.
02:45:14.000 Yeah.
02:45:15.000 And you can feel it.
02:45:16.000 You can feel it's like I've got a culture.
02:45:18.000 It's like a heaviness to it when you walk.
02:45:19.000 Through it.
02:45:20.000 It was cool.
02:45:21.000 It was cool.
02:45:21.000 Can't thank you enough.
02:45:22.000 That's awesome, brother.
02:45:23.000 I'm glad you had a good time and I'm glad we did this.
02:45:25.000 You know, I've been a fan of yours for a long time and I've always loved hearing you talk in interviews.
02:45:30.000 I'm like, that'd be a fun guy to have on the podcast.
02:45:32.000 Yeah.
02:45:32.000 And you are.
02:45:33.000 You're great, man.
02:45:34.000 This has been so much fun.
02:45:35.000 Oh, my pleasure.
02:45:36.000 You should probably do your own podcast.
02:45:37.000 You'd be great at it.
02:45:39.000 Yeah.
02:45:40.000 I do have one on YouTube.
02:45:41.000 Oh, you do?
02:45:41.000 Yeah.
02:45:42.000 MM Arcade.
02:45:43.000 But we just talk about like fights and like video games.
02:45:48.000 Oh, nice.
02:45:49.000 Like Mighty Mouse.
02:45:49.000 Yeah.
02:45:50.000 Yeah.
02:45:50.000 Well, yes.
02:45:51.000 Yes, to a degree.
02:45:52.000 Nice.
02:45:52.000 Have you done his podcast?
02:45:54.000 I have plenty of times.
02:45:54.000 He's a great guy to talk to.
02:45:56.000 I fucking love that dude.
02:45:57.000 Another energy, another piece of energy.
02:45:59.000 Like he just, his vibes when you're talking to him, because you know what it is?
02:46:03.000 And it's not rocket science.
02:46:04.000 You just have to be invested in the person you're talking to.
02:46:06.000 Yes.
02:46:07.000 That's it.
02:46:07.000 Yeah, for real.
02:46:08.000 You have to really be there.
02:46:09.000 Yeah, that's it.
02:46:10.000 And he's great at that.
02:46:11.000 You're obviously the maestro of it.
02:46:13.000 Like, talking with you is just so easy.
02:46:16.000 Hours just fly by.
02:46:17.000 It's so much fun.
02:46:17.000 Oh, thanks.
02:46:18.000 I'm glad you had fun, man.
02:46:19.000 It flies by for me, too.
02:46:21.000 You know, it's just the key is only talk to people you actually want to talk to.
02:46:25.000 That way you never have to fake it.
02:46:27.000 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
02:46:28.000 But yeah, Mighty Mouse is awesome at that.
02:46:30.000 And to me, he's like one of the greatest examples ever of mixed martial arts excellence.
02:46:34.000 Like watching him perform when he was at his best, he was just a master.
02:46:38.000 Yes.
02:46:39.000 Just a master.
02:46:39.000 Yeah.
02:46:40.000 One of the all times.
02:46:40.000 Uncanny.
02:46:41.000 That flying armbar.
02:46:42.000 Oh my God.
02:46:43.000 Like to chain that? Suplex into an armbar.
02:46:46.000 Like in a fight.
02:46:47.000 Yeah.
02:46:48.000 It's just.
02:46:49.000 Yeah.
02:46:49.000 He does things that.
02:46:51.000 It's like you're playing the game.
02:46:53.000 Yeah, dude.
02:46:53.000 You know what I mean?
02:46:54.000 And his speed.
02:46:55.000 There's something about the speed of flywheats, too.
02:46:57.000 One time I grabbed him at a UFC just to say hi, just fucking around.
02:47:01.000 I grabbed him from behind and he turned around.
02:47:03.000 He went.
02:47:04.000 He hit me with two knees to the body.
02:47:06.000 Like, didn't hurt me.
02:47:07.000 Just touched me.
02:47:07.000 But they were so fast.
02:47:09.000 My brain didn't process it.
02:47:11.000 My brain was like, What?
02:47:13.000 What did you just do?
02:47:14.000 How did you do?
02:47:15.000 What the fuck just happened?
02:47:16.000 Because it's one thing to watch it play out, but it's another thing when those knees just come at your body like that and you realize, like, that's the speed that they're competing at.
02:47:24.000 Yeah.
02:47:24.000 Like when you watch Joshua Vann versus Pantosia.
02:47:27.000 What a chaos.
02:47:27.000 What a fight.
02:47:28.000 What a fight.
02:47:29.000 How good is Joshua Vann?
02:47:31.000 Oh, yeah.
02:47:32.000 And I'm so happy he silenced everyone about that Pantosia fight.
02:47:38.000 Well, he kind of did with the Tyra.
02:47:40.000 Fight because the Tyra fight was so good.
02:47:43.000 I know.
02:47:44.000 Padu Joshua is another level, man.
02:47:46.000 He is.
02:47:47.000 And he's just evolving.
02:47:48.000 Every fight.
02:47:49.000 That's just like Talbot.
02:47:50.000 It's like, I think that's this new generation.
02:47:52.000 Yep.
02:47:53.000 Their ability to adapt and grow so fast between fights.
02:47:58.000 Yep.
02:47:59.000 Yep.
02:47:59.000 Yeah.
02:47:59.000 It's just, it's.
02:48:00.000 And as a champion, I think he's even more confident than ever.
02:48:03.000 You know, it's just, oh my God.
02:48:05.000 It's such an exciting time for the sport.
02:48:08.000 Those younger generation is why I'm developing an app.
02:48:11.000 That's why I brought out a fitness app.
02:48:14.000 Well, listen, man.
02:48:15.000 Thank you for being here.
02:48:16.000 Good luck with the app.
02:48:17.000 Good luck with everything in your future.
02:48:19.000 It's been a pleasure.
02:48:20.000 Thank you so much for having me.
02:48:21.000 This is great.
02:48:22.000 If anybody wants to get a hold of you on Instagram, what is your handle?
02:48:26.000 RobWidikettMMA.
02:48:27.000 Okay.
02:48:28.000 And Twitter, do you use that?
02:48:29.000 Yes, yes, yes.
02:48:30.000 It's all the same handle.
02:48:32.000 Website?
02:48:33.000 The website is sendfitness.com.
02:48:35.000 By Rob.com.
02:48:35.000 50% off first month.
02:48:36.000 All right.
02:48:37.000 Thanks, brother.
02:48:37.000 Thank you.
02:48:38.000 Bye, everybody.