00:03:49.000If you're expressing yourself only for other people's love and affection, like if you're just zooming in on what's going to give them the best response, what's going to get me the best response, the most love and affection from those people, that's a trap.
00:04:46.000I wonder if it's a continuum of like, okay, so you've got like, I don't know, Picasso at one end going, listen, I do what I do and I've got to express myself.
00:04:54.000And on the other end, it's the guy kind of dancing, desperately.
00:04:57.000Trying to get the audience on his side?
00:04:59.000Well, I think it's a spectrum of varying personalities with the same kind of goal.
00:05:08.000The kind of goal for an artist is you have an idea and you want to figure out the best form of it to present to other people, right?
00:07:18.000You know, it's just, I think whenever you're trying to categorize a group as large as artists and lump them into a specific type of personality traits, you know, a predetermined pattern of personality traits, I don't think you could do it.
00:07:37.000I've just met too many that are so different.
00:07:40.000I've met like really arrogant ones that are clearly mentally ill that produce incredible works.0.99
00:07:46.000Like Kanye West clearly has some mental issues.0.98
00:07:50.000Yeah, I think that's that's undeniable.1.00
00:07:51.000And that motherfucker knows how to make some bangers.0.99
00:08:37.000And then, but the anxiety, all of the anxiety that I have, if I wake up and I have a panic attack and I'm kind of, my mind is spinning, is also the thing that's written every joke I've ever written and done everything I've ever done.
00:08:58.000I mean, I think here's my theory on Elon Musk I think he's going to find religion in the next 12 months because, right, there's a theory, right?
00:09:06.000It's four things that keep us from God, right?
00:09:10.000Okay, so fame, fortune, power, and pleasure.
00:09:13.000And I think he's won every one of those games.
00:09:16.000I think he's going to get bored and he's going to have to go and find God.
00:10:09.000I believe that it's the whole reason why we innovate, it's the whole reason why we're obsessed with material possessions.
00:10:15.000I think all that fuels innovation, and the innovation eventually fuels the creation of a digital life form.
00:10:22.000And it used to sound like science fiction until about 20 years ago.
00:10:25.000And now we're deep in the middle of it where it's undeniable.
00:10:28.000It's interesting because you like the Egyptian culture, right?
00:10:31.000The myths and legends and the pyramids.
00:10:33.000Because it strikes me that the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians.0.95
00:10:36.000The Greeks basically looked at the Egyptians and went, oh, they fell to nothing because they never innovated, they never changed anything.0.94
00:10:44.000So the Greeks kind of wanted not to make that mistake.
00:10:46.000They didn't want to make that mistake.
00:10:47.000Like, we live closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the building of the pyramids.
00:11:52.000There are dozens of legitimate archaeologists that share his ideas.
00:11:56.000And then on top of that, you have people that are studying impacts on Earth from extraterrestrial or interstellar.
00:12:05.000Any kind of asteroid, comet impacts, all those different things.
00:12:09.000There's a lot more information about that now than they've ever had before.
00:12:12.000And there's a big one that aligns up with the end of this.
00:12:17.000Previous civilization that probably created all these great works and what we have now, and this sort of 5,000 year period of reconstruction of civilization.
00:12:26.000Let me see if I can tie all of this together.
00:13:10.000There's a lot of information about the actual design of the inner dimensions of the pyramid that leads a lot of legitimate, especially younger archaeologists now.
00:13:21.000To try to examine what exactly this thing is.
00:13:24.000Do you know about all the new discoveries that they found with the ground penetrating radar?
00:13:28.000Yeah, I kind of don't know what to make of it because it feels to me like the news cycle now, it feels like that would have been a year's worth of news had that happened 15 years ago.
00:13:40.000And now it feels like we move on so quickly.0.82
00:13:42.000Well, the problem is it's very gate kept in Egypt.0.87
00:13:45.000Like that guy that I had on my podcast, Zahi Hawass, he's in charge of whatever gets distributed about whatever official narrative, whatever.
00:13:54.000Press releases, he's sort of at the front of the line, and he has been for a long time.
00:14:00.000They're very reluctant to give up those reins to any new discovery that doesn't have his name on it and doesn't have their name on it.
00:15:01.000Like they can absolutely document the immense size, but that there's also a 40 meter long metallic object that's in the center of a large atrium that looks like a tic tac.
00:15:36.000This is what the Jesus story is and the Adam and Eve story.
00:15:39.000There's all these stories, but what we get is there was probably some sort of an event, and then people talked about it for hundreds of years before anybody ever wrote it down.
00:15:50.000And no one who wrote it down was there, and no one has an accurate, really accurate representation of what that person says, including the works of Jesus.
00:16:01.000Well, this is like I suppose it's that thing of the carcass of the whale, like the idea that we're living in a world that we couldn't build again.
00:16:11.000Like, you know, for Britain, you go, we were the first industrializing nation, right?
00:16:18.000And now we are totally incapable of building a railway.0.99
00:16:21.000Like, the last 15 years, 20 years, the Chinese have covered themselves in high speed rail and we've covered ourselves in environmental reports.0.99
00:17:09.000If half of everyone goes to university, then they can't, and they get the degree and they work hard.
00:17:14.000And then they don't get the life that they were promised, then they become a counter elite and they rebel against the elite, and the inequality becomes too great and everything crumbles.
00:17:26.000That's his kind of theory through history of how societies kind of come crashing down.
00:17:31.000Trevor Burrus Well, that's certainly a factor, and we're experiencing that right now.
00:17:36.000I think the factor that they were dealing with was asteroid impacts and documented ones.
00:17:43.000So, this is a part of the Younger Dryas theory that's undeniable, is that they've done ice core samples.
00:17:48.000And in these ice core samples, they find high levels of iridium in a lot of areas.
00:17:53.000Iridium is very common in space, very rare on Earth.
00:17:56.000When there's a layer of it, it usually indicates that we were hit.
00:17:59.000And this is all around that same time period of 11,000 years ago.
00:18:03.000Well, it's interesting as well what effect that has on the globe.
00:18:07.000There's that famous case of people talk about the environment, what's going on with our environment, and really Krakatoa is a great example.
00:18:15.000So when Krakatoa went off, it was such a big volcanic eruption, there was no summer.
00:18:20.000In Europe the next year, because all of the particles went up into the stratosphere, above the stratosphere, and they reflected light.
00:18:27.000So the Earth cooled by like two degrees.
00:20:18.000It's a natural disaster that occurs periodically on Earth, whereas the sky is a shooting gallery.
00:20:25.000And we are in the middle of a crazy pathway where we run into 900 plus thousand near Earth objects, and we're spiraling through the galaxy, hurling into space.
00:20:41.000I mean, it kind of makes me feel dizzy.
00:20:43.000City sized objects that are just floating around and occasionally they come rocking at five times the speed of sound and slam into the earth and it rings like a bell for a million years.
00:21:02.000The dinosaurs were, I forget what the name is, there's a biological term for it, but the eggs below a certain temperature were male and above a certain temperature were female dinosaur eggs.0.75
00:21:12.000So, and that would work that worked pretty well for the distribution of gender.
00:21:31.000So then there's ones that didn't die out that didn't have that system.
00:21:34.000So the reason, you know, crocodiles or sharks, you know, things from that era that just didn't depend on that system for gender distribution.
00:23:37.000So you've got to be careful what you wish for because the things that cause equality to happen are it's war, revolution, civilizational collapse, and pandemics.
00:23:47.000Like those are the things that equal out society.
00:23:53.000Pandemic did for a little bit, I think.
00:23:56.000I think in the beginning it kind of brought people together and sort of settled people down to like what was actually important in life.
00:24:03.000The very early days when we were really worried that people were going to die from it.0.95
00:24:07.000There was like no one knew what the severity of the infection was, and we're just hearing about this disease from China, we're locking down the country.
00:24:47.000Even whether they're skeptical about pharmaceutical drug companies, normally they'll abandon all that if there's some sort of an ideological group that you're a part of that thinks one way or another.
00:24:59.000And that happened during the pandemic.
00:25:02.000I think it's a little window in the room.
00:25:04.000Fierce fights about pharmaceutical drugs and whether or not you believe in the pharmaceutical drug company and that the people on the left would be the ones that were telling you these massive multi billion dollar corporations that have the highest.
00:25:17.000Criminal fines in all of human history.
00:25:19.000Those are the ones we should be trusting.
00:25:21.000But that happened in this country and it happened all around the world.
00:25:31.000The divide was the medication and what path we took to get out of it.
00:25:35.000If that didn't exist, if it was just there is no medication, the only thing you could do is be healthy enough to be resilient and get through the cold, but we're all going to get it.
00:25:48.000Not what's happening right now, though, in terms of going, if you look at what we're doing, right?
00:25:52.000Gain of function research, which is, it almost certainly came from gain of function research, which is like looking for a gas leak with a lit match, right?
00:27:14.000I heard the lady on here talking about it, but I mean, it's like you go, they definitely, polio was something.
00:27:19.000Well, polio still is a problem, but the real problem back then was there was polio, and then there was DDT spraying.
00:27:26.000And that's a big part of the story, a gigantic part of the story is that the polio epidemic in America aligns with DDT use, ubiquitous DDT use all over the country.
00:27:37.000And DDT poisoning has the exact same symptoms as paralytic polio.
00:30:01.000However, they were spraying DDT everywhere and it gives you the same fucking symptoms, and the two things stopped.0.99
00:30:09.000When they stop spraying DDT everywhere.0.95
00:30:11.000Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, she's a guest on the show.
00:30:14.000I just want to tell people that are listening there's a great book called Dissolving Illusions.
00:30:18.000And if you just counter check all the things that she put in that book, you can read it all online, you'll find out she's telling the truth.0.96
00:30:26.000And it's indicative of the same shit that we just went through with the COVID epidemic.0.85
00:30:32.000It's indicative of there's a ton of different stories of what we think are good pharmaceutical drug solutions for a problem that's happening that turn out to be horrendous.0.97
00:30:43.000For people and give them terrible side effects, and you see all these people that are suing, and you find the pharmaceutical drug companies can make money off of it even though it was killing people.
00:30:54.000Like, there's a Vioxx example in America.
00:30:57.000It was an anti inflammatory medication, and they were giving it to people.
00:31:03.000They knew that people were going to get strokes before they released it, but they did it because they knew they could make money off of it.
00:31:09.000And this is just this continual pattern that we can see throughout history.
00:31:14.000We want to believe in these institutions, but oftentimes, These institutions are corrupted by money.
00:31:19.000And when we find out that they're corrupted by money, it's too late.
00:31:22.000They've already poisoned you or they've already given you some drugs.
00:31:40.000Well, I remember the kind of controversy about people giving out the idea that you should never be in pain was kind of promoted.
00:31:49.000Unacceptable, so you need to be no pain at all.
00:31:54.000So, pushing the idea of those painkillers, which were opiates.
00:31:57.000Well, yes, not just that, but also saying that they're non addictive, and then also promoting this idea that you're just kind of on them all the time and everything's fine.
00:33:36.000You go right next door, right next door, and all they sell is Oxycontin and no database.
00:33:41.000So you leave that pain management center and you go to another pain management center a mile away, and then you go to another pain center, and they're all over Florida.
00:33:49.000And so people would go and fill their trunks up with Oxycontin and then drive up through Kentucky and Ohio, and that's the Oxycontin Express.
00:33:58.000And that made addicts like, Traceable destruction of communities all throughout the land.
00:34:04.000And this was all because of corrupt politics.
00:34:07.000It was all because of corrupt pharmaceutical representatives.
00:34:10.000It was because of corrupt doctors that everybody turned a blind eye to make a ton of money.
00:34:17.000And most importantly, the Sackler family.
00:34:18.000This one family made billions and billions of dollars promoting this idea that you should be on pills all the time.
00:35:13.000And the idea, and remember that poster?
00:35:15.000There used to be a poster of her, like, she was a good looking girl, and then, and over the course of like six years or 10 years, she became kind of, you know.
00:37:23.000In crisis, I'm like, I'm pro gang, pro um, pro gang, pro gambling, and uh, pro drinking.
00:37:31.000Like, I think you know, that thing of like gambling is not sports gambling, not gambling on something to give you a cheap little dopamine hit whenever you need it, like that thing of like the interval reward system, gatekeeped gambling.
00:37:44.000No, no, the idea of gambling on yourself, the idea of like the big gamble in life.
00:37:48.000If you take a big gamble, then you don't need those little gambles, right?
00:37:51.000We got very lucky, we got into comedy, so it's like it's a gamble, I'm going to try this line.
00:38:57.000It can be a bar, but the bar can have a football team.
00:39:00.000And a baseball team, and it can be a place where you learn how to interact with other people.
00:39:05.000We should also explain to them that it does affect your brain development and you should be very careful about getting drunk or high when you're young.
00:44:02.000Like MMA didn't even exist when you were into it.
00:44:05.000Didn't exist like martial arts was a thing, but MMA hadn't even really been formed.
00:44:10.000It's the luck of being there in that well, then podcasting, well, podcasting like the idea of just going, I'm just gonna do my own thing.
00:44:18.000And the thing that we were doing it when no one was watching, so we were doing it, it would get like a thousand viewers, two thousand viewers, and now nobody watches it.
00:44:26.000Crazy things move up, but the idea of like that, you even consider that?
00:44:30.000Yeah, oh, I think about it all the time.
00:44:32.000I do a practice, I just I'm constantly like, I think, uh, that thing gratitude is the mother of all virtues.
00:44:37.000Like you're constantly reminding yourself, like, of like, we live now, we do this, we get to do this, like finding the thing that you could be excited about.
00:44:46.000You spoke to Chris Williamson about this recently.
00:44:48.000He's got this really lovely take on discipline, motivation, and obsession.
00:44:54.000Like the idea, like, discipline is you could force yourself to do the thing.
00:44:59.000And that'll get you two weeks into January doing sit ups and no further.
00:45:03.000And then there's motivation I want to do this thing, I want to do it.
00:45:06.000And then there's obsession I can't not do this thing.
00:45:10.000And we're very lucky in life that we found obsessions.
00:45:13.000Things that it doesn't, you know, we're just like, I would do it if there's no money in it, it doesn't matter.
00:46:28.000And you are breaking the table down into sections where you want a ball to be and how you're going to move and what angle you have to approach this ball on so that as you knock it in, you're going this way to get to the other.
00:46:42.000As soon as you change any of the dimensions to the table, all the geometry changes.
00:46:47.000And one of the things that changes is the shape of the pockets.
00:46:50.000So the shape of the pockets don't accept a ball down the rail.
00:46:56.000If there's a hole right here and there's a ball right here, I have to really gently roll that ball in.
00:48:09.000It looks like a snooker table in terms of the way it's curved on the corners.
00:48:13.000Now, make that a little larger, please.
00:48:15.000So if I'm shooting a ball, like, say, in that upper left-hand corner, dude, my margin of error is like this on each side, like millimeters on each side.0.99
00:48:27.000So it just makes for a brutal, pokey, Fucking scared ass game.0.99
00:51:43.000Well, that gives you a bit of perspective on life.
00:51:45.000You're kind of stepping back and seeing it for what it is and kind of looking at it from different angles, trying to find something funny in this.
00:51:52.000It's like a great sort of way to improve your disposition.
00:51:55.000To try and see something funny, even in the terrible.
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00:52:34.000Probably the most popular art form that's not documented and studied in terms of like having a structure to having to learn how to use it.
00:52:46.000Well, that's why I wrote this book about, I wrote this book on jokes with two friends.
00:52:51.000You know, this is like I wrote this thing with Amanda Baker and Abby Grant, this book on jokes, which is like, so it's in third, so it's like the taxonomy of jokes, like the descriptors of all the different joke types, not the function of the joke, but the type of the joke.
00:56:24.000You've got to know the rules before you can break the rules.
00:56:26.000I think what Doug's getting at with comedy courses, unfortunately, is true.
00:56:31.000A lot of them are taught by people that are failed stand ups and never really made a career, and now that's a way to make money.
00:56:40.000Versus, like, Ari Shafir was doing a thing for a while where whenever we would go into a town, like, say, if we would be in Phoenix, he would hold a free seminar for the local comedians on Sunday.
00:56:52.000So on Sunday, he would sit with them and he would break down how to get a manager, how to get an agent, how to get into clubs.
00:57:00.000And how to work on your act and how to go over your act.
00:57:13.000But the point is, he had this great service that he was giving to comics when he'd go to these towns and they would ask him about material how do you write?
00:57:52.000They go, no, just obviously, it's like that thing of I don't write the show.
00:57:56.000The audience decide that one works, that one doesn't, that one works, that one doesn't.
00:58:00.000And then you're generating this thing, you're kind of building up slowly.
00:58:04.000But what I was going to get at is I think what Stan Hope is not correct about is that even if you're doing a comedy course for someone who sucks at comedy, they've at least done comedy to the point where they understand what it's like to get on stage and tell jokes, and maybe some of them did fairly well, but at least you start doing it.
00:58:24.000Okay, so one of the things about these comedy classes is they all have like a graduation day where they do their act, right?
00:58:43.000Make how do I like people ask me how to like get asked about being, you know, young people that want to be musicians or want to be comedians?
00:59:16.000And they're so into comedy because they have an idea of what it is.
00:59:20.000The funniest thing you've seen the last 10 years, I guarantee you, Is something you saw on your phone, like a meme that someone made, and you don't know who made it.
01:01:11.000Maybe even more so because you're having these long, long conversations about a variety of different things.
01:01:16.000But I think there's a lot of untapped talent out there that could be comics and instead will live these boring lives when they've got this wasted mind.
01:01:26.000One of the funniest people I ever met was a guy I worked for.
01:01:29.000I worked for a private investigator for a while.
01:01:32.000One of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.
01:01:34.000Far funnier than me, especially at the time.
01:01:36.000I was only 21, and he was a former alcoholic who needed someone to drive his car, so he put out an ad for private investigator's assistant.
01:01:47.000Really, what it was is someone with a valid driver's license.
01:03:12.000There's your club, there's the seller, there's the store, there's other places that are doing this around America, but you want kind of more of it in the world.
01:03:22.000And one of the things we really foster at the mothership is a community.
01:03:26.000Everybody knows that whether you're a door guy or whether you're someone who's like doing opening spots or whether you're someone who's headlining, we're all doing the same thing.
01:03:48.000And it's important to know that we do not exist in a vacuum.
01:03:52.000And comedy is one of the only art forms that you cannot create in a vacuum.
01:03:57.000You need not just the audience, you need other comics.0.58
01:03:59.000You're never going to find the best comic in the world in some fucking small town where no one knows about him and some tiny little bar that he does comedy at.0.87
01:04:08.000It's always, you have to be either on the road with great comics that you travel with or you have to be in a club in your local town where you practice with great comics.
01:04:18.000You see each other, we feed off of each other, we inspire each other, we're always having fun.
01:04:24.000There's a community, it's very important.
01:04:27.000And we fostered that at the comedy store, and now we're fostering it in Austin.
01:05:42.000You laugh when it's like, when you're in the room with other people, it's a signal, it's a social thing.
01:05:46.000Also, all the time that you're looking at a screen is pulling you away from the time you're with people.
01:05:51.000So if, like, if human interaction was a recommended daily allowance of a vitamin, you know, like you have 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C every day, it's really good to stay healthy.
01:06:02.000If human interaction was like that, You would look at the invention of people working from home, staring at screens all day, being on your phone all the time, being on your phone even when you're around other people, your actual time interacting with people radically dropped off.
01:06:21.000And if that's a physical requirement to be a happy, healthy person, which I think it is, and I think it's built into us, I think one of the reasons why people get so sad when they're alone is because in the olden days, if they kicked you out of the tribe, you're going to die.0.83
01:06:36.000If you're not around other people all the time, you're not around the gatherers and you didn't succeed hunting or you don't have the right amount of spears to hold off the invaders, you're going to fucking get kicked out and you're going to be on your own and you're going to die.0.97
01:07:58.000They emphasize keeping training playful because when it's not playful, when it's life or death, which it kind of is, but when it's life or death and you're grappling with someone, you get tense.
01:08:07.000And when you get tense, you don't take chances.
01:08:09.000And when you don't take chances, you don't open up your game, so you don't learn.
01:08:13.000So, you don't learn new ways to do things.
01:08:14.000You just have to get comfortable with the idea of potentially losing and knowing that if you lose, you're going to have another chance to go again in just a few seconds.
01:08:22.000And then you're going to go again with another person in just a few minutes.
01:08:28.000And someone's going to beat you and you're going to beat other people.
01:08:31.000But the only way to get good at this is to be playful with it and accept the fact that that's going to happen and just flow and learn.
01:08:38.000And you're learning while you're playing because it's fun instead of being this horrific life and death experience that after it's over, you barely remember what happened.
01:08:47.000But isn't that the thing with like even stuff like being a dad, right?
01:09:31.000My crowd, like, they join in, they add value every single night.
01:09:35.000Well, you do that fun thing where you allow them to ask questions and you talk to them.
01:09:39.000But that's very, I mean, it's like they're so well behaved because you kind of go, right, get out there.
01:09:44.000I'll do 20 minutes of just like bang, bang, bang, like three, four big laughs a minute and try and get them into, I suppose, the thing about the last bit of the book, that on jokes book, is about rhythm.
01:09:55.000And about how comedy has a natural rhythm.
01:10:46.000Like, I have three or four bits in my act right now that came out of premises that I pulled out of the barrel and had an idea just popped into my mind.
01:10:54.000Do you find that weird thing of like going that state that you're in on stage?
01:10:58.000You would never have thought of that sitting at your desk.
01:12:28.000It's heartbreaking to me that no one took him to the side and went, No, no, you've got this lovely cadence to your speech, but you've got to keep the same rhythm for it to work every time.
01:12:38.000I mean, he was a fabulous comic, but he was also a real heroin addict.
01:12:44.000A real bad one to the point where he got gangrene and one of the shots.
01:13:23.000And it was part of the thing where it could go south, it could really get away from you.
01:13:28.000You know, like if you've got a guy who's relying on substances, especially heavy stuff, you know, like I've seen Greg Giraldo had, you know, those kind of demons.
01:13:40.000He did, but he cleaned up for a long time and then fell off.
01:13:44.000And that's when someone gave him a pill and he died.
01:13:48.000But That was part of the problem with Mitch, I think, was just that he, you know, nobody could get him to quit, too.
01:15:07.000It's the, it's they just were so exposed to the world and they need to medicate against that.
01:15:12.000But the idea of going, it's, and for me, it's like the idea of going, doing any of that gets to the point.
01:15:18.000I remember like going, I didn't drink for the first, I think, 12 years of doing comedy just because I was, you know, drank at college and, you know, I didn't have kind of a problem or certainly didn't think I had a problem.
01:15:28.000But when I, when I found comedy in my mid 20s, I went, oh, I'm all in.
01:16:03.000Like that, chunking it down and going, right, well, if I write some jokes today and I test them tonight, I'll be so pleased I did that tomorrow.
01:16:09.000And if I eat right, I'll be, I'll feel better tomorrow.
01:16:12.000So just that, that like daily thing of like getting it down to a small kind of a unit of time I can think about, I can control.
01:16:20.000Well, delaying gratification is very important if you want to get anything done.
01:16:46.000No one is jealous of what you had to do to get it, the work that you had to do.
01:16:50.000And it's often that thing of like the reason people get sort of imposter syndrome is because they think, oh, no, I didn't do the work.
01:17:00.000Yeah, you did the work, but you did it six months ago.
01:17:03.000You spent the time in the gym and then you get it now.
01:17:07.000Well, I just think people get imposter syndrome because just the spectacle of becoming an actual famous person is so weird that very few people can navigate the waters and still be themselves.0.94
01:17:19.000And then you hear your name get announced and you hear people cheer and you're like, there's no way this is real.0.91
01:17:24.000You're like, you don't want to believe it's real.
01:17:26.000And especially if you're still doing the same thing.
01:17:31.000So if you're still doing the same thing, you're trying to create something, you're working on it, you're working on it, and you're acting, you're trying to do your best.
01:17:37.000Like, whatever your best is, that's what you're trying to do.
01:17:40.000And you're just formulating and you're getting ready to go on stage.
01:17:43.000And that's all you've been doing, like, the whole time you've been doing comedy.
01:17:45.000And you have great sets and you have sets that aren't so great.
01:18:51.000And next thing you know, Bob is opening up for, you know, Ari Maddie on the road.
01:18:55.000And next thing you know, Bob puts out a YouTube special and it gets three million views.0.90
01:19:00.000And next thing you know, Bob is selling out Massey Hall in Toronto and he goes on stage and everybody goes fucking nuts and he can't believe it's real and he gets imposter syndrome.0.84
01:19:12.000I think this is the natural state of things.0.94
01:19:40.000And you go and you watch a ballet and the opera, and you go and see, you know, Chappelle on stage, and you go, you're in awe, and you're in the audience.
01:21:10.000It doesn't have that same in real life.
01:21:12.000Like, you know, it's that thing of like, I'm not puritanical, but, you know, porn as a substitute for sex, like being, having friends online, being famous on Instagram is like being rich in Monopoly, right?
01:21:32.000For sure, I think you're doing a great thing by encouraging people to participate and stuff.
01:21:37.000And I absolutely agree with you that if you did a little bit of stand up comedy, tried a little bit of open mic, you'd appreciate the art form more.
01:21:44.000I think that's certainly the case with martial arts.
01:21:47.000One of the reasons why I appreciate martial arts so much is because I trained and I did it for so long.
01:21:52.000And I know when I see excellent martial artists, when I see something that's truly sensational, I have an appreciation for it that very few other people would have if they didn't understand how difficult it is to do that thing.
01:22:05.000I think it's easy for us that if you haven't ever tried something, you look at it and you go, I don't know anything about that, so I've no idea what to do.
01:22:29.000But when I watch professionals do it, I have an appreciation that a regular person who's never trained in their life, you're never going to understand it the way I, or you're never going to really know it.
01:22:41.000And there's ways that I don't know it.
01:22:43.000Like when I see wrestling, I'm not a good wrestler.0.98
01:22:46.000So, if I see wrestling, like really high level wrestling, there's a lot of shit I don't understand.0.98
01:23:32.000It's interesting how you move up through this thing.
01:23:34.000So sometimes, actually, the reason for a community, the reason a community is so important is because I can sit with Abby and Amanda and write this book and say, this is how jokes are written.
01:23:43.000But actually, what you want is your peer group.
01:23:46.000The guys you came up with, the guys that you work on the door with at the store, the guys that you.
01:23:53.000Because you need someone who's like six months ahead of you, not 30 years ahead of you, because you can't even remember what it was like to be starting off trying to do five.
01:24:02.000I mean, we're still doing the same thing, but.
01:24:03.000This is the greatest thing about what we have, what we used to have at the comedy store, and they have now, and what they have at the cellar in New York City, and what we have at the mothership.
01:24:13.000I mean, talking to Gnome about opening something in London.
01:24:23.000We're really fortunate in Austin that we have seven clubs on one street.
01:24:28.000Within a one block area of the mothership, there's like seven clubs that have comedy at least a few nights a week.
01:24:33.000And then we have another big club, Cap City, which is a great club that's in the domain that's just like 25 minutes away.
01:24:39.000And then you have all these outside places that have comedy nights now.
01:24:43.000It's like a golden age of comedy in terms of like being able to jump into it and having a bunch of people that have an ethic of helping you get through the maze.
01:24:55.000When I was starting out in Boston, There wasn't a lot of like, come with me, kid.
01:25:00.000Let me show you the ropes and I'll take you.
01:25:03.000I'll show you what to do and what not to do.
01:25:04.000That's a great scene you came out of, though.
01:25:49.000Listen, it's all great comedy that went nationwide.
01:25:52.000But what I'm saying is, there were guys that no one ever saw that were in that town that were better than them, at least at that time, they were.
01:26:02.000They were some of the best comics I've ever seen in my life.
01:26:07.000They would murder on a level that I've seen very few people murder to this day.0.99
01:26:13.000These guys would do 30 minutes of fucking thunder and they would tank headliners.0.99
01:26:18.000They would bring in, like, Billy Crystal had to do a weekend at the comedy, at Nick's Comedy Stop.0.99
01:26:24.000And they had assassin after assassin, these local murderers, like Steve Sweeney.
01:26:54.000That and the Chicago theater, I think, like, because of fire regs now, if you want to put that many people in a room now, the room has to be four times the size.
01:29:51.000Like, Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins did this interview recently where he said there's a clear line where it happened where MTV all of a sudden changed their requirements.
01:30:03.000You were allowed to show guns on television and they started promoting gangster rap.
01:30:31.000It was like there was a decision made that they were going to start promoting this one specific type of music.
01:30:37.000It's very interesting there that we're kind of that's what we're missing at the moment is the avant garde.
01:30:42.000Like the thing I love about comedy now is there's a guy I really like called Mark Fisher, no longer with us, but he was a great writer about kind of music and culture.
01:30:49.000And he said the 21st century is just the 20th century on better screens.
01:30:54.000So when you think about music and movies now, everything's a cover version or a heritage artist or, you know, and it's something, you know, you want the new, you want something new to be happening.
01:31:06.000And when you think about movies, it used to be like 200 movies a year came out.
01:31:18.000And really, it's that thing about are we coming to the end of an era?
01:31:22.000Are we coming to an end of an age where everything feels like it's kind of like comedy feels like it's having a bit of a moment right at the end of this?
01:31:32.000But like the 70s, if you think about music, it wasn't different bands every two years, it was a different genre of music from like metal to prog rock to punk rock to ska to reggae to rap in the space of 10 years.
01:31:49.000And when you think about what the movies were in the 70s, where these movies were like pieces of literature, they had like multi dimensional characters.
01:33:01.000So, there's a theory that this guy, Neil Howe, wrote this book called The Fourth Turning in like 1996, and he predicted everything that's happening in the world right now.
01:33:11.000He basically said, like, the world moves in these four eras first, second, third, and fourth turning.
01:33:18.000And we're entering the fourth turning now.
01:33:20.000So, you go, it's almost like the thing that I think is happening is we've gone from being 1945, the end of the war, is our foundation myth.
01:35:17.000So, Star Wars is a too long didn't read version of Finnegan's Wake, which is a version of Vico.
01:35:26.000And Finnegan's Wake's got these incredible things in it like, he sort of predicts AI.
01:35:30.000He talks about these thunderclaps, these moments.
01:35:34.000He's got these hundred letter words, 10 of them in the book, where he predicts like the big leaps forward in humanity, like the invention of fire and clothing.
01:35:45.000And agriculture, all these kind of revolutions through time.
01:35:51.000And he marks them with these 100 letter words.
01:35:54.000And the last one is 101 letters because he was doing a reference to the Thousand and One Nights.
01:36:37.000I think there's probably the idea that we're the first people to reach this sort of level of technological proficiency and power and innovation, I don't think that's accurate.
01:36:48.000I just think the structures that were left behind that are completely unexplained.
01:36:52.000This is a cave in India that's carved straight into the mountain.
01:37:29.000There's a bunch of shit that's left behind from ancient cultures that we have zero explanation for.0.71
01:37:34.000I think if we died off today, if we got hit by comets and asteroids and there was a time period of 10,000 years before people started investigating what happened to us, I think they'd have a very patched up, gap filled version of what we are, particularly because everything.
01:37:53.000All of our documentation is now on hard drives.
01:40:03.000It's millions and millions of tons of stone, and none of it is accounted for.
01:40:08.000And the kookiest explanation is that they were using some kind of laser technology, which is why the stone doesn't exist because they literally melted it off.
01:40:19.000And that somehow or another, thousands and thousands of years ago, they had something akin to laser cutting tools.
01:40:30.000They have no idea how they made that, they have no idea how much time it took.
01:40:36.000It's all just guesses, and it's guesses based on thousands of years of history.
01:40:41.000So the point where, like, Who knows what really happened?
01:40:45.000We barely know what happened during the Civil War, you know.
01:40:49.000We barely know what happened in certain battles.
01:40:51.000We have like rough understandings of how people were treated.0.80
01:40:55.000We don't know what the fuck happened when they were digging that thing out of a solid chunk of rock and who did it and how did you do it?0.55
01:41:02.000How long did it take and who paid for it?0.99
01:41:04.000And what the fuck was the purpose of this?0.98
01:41:06.000I think again, I think again, though, it goes back to that rockets and pyramids thing of like going, it's the transcendent.0.99
01:41:55.000It's not tech, it's those four things.
01:41:57.000They all involve huge amounts of petrochemicals, right?
01:42:00.000So the ammonia is the interesting one.
01:42:02.000Some chemist in Germany in 1909, no one knows his name, he's not famous, but invented ammonia fertilizer, like a way of making fertilizer with ammonia and petrochemicals.
01:42:13.000And 48% of the world's population rely on that fertilizer for food.
01:42:28.000The same time he was getting the Nobel Prize for this invention, he was wanted for war crimes because he had invented mustard gas, he had invented toxic gas.0.64
01:42:43.000So he was the guy who invented Zyklon A.
01:42:47.000So he invented he's the same guy, the same guy.0.64
01:42:50.000He invented Zyklon A, which they eventually took the smell out of it and turned into Zyklon B, which they used to gas people during the concentration camps.0.84
01:43:13.000Also, one of the few Jews during World War II that was allowed to stay in the administration up to a certain point where it got to a point where his life was in danger because he was Jewish.0.82
01:43:37.000And his wife was at home with their 13 year old son.
01:43:41.000She shot herself and he left to go to the front line.
01:43:44.000He left his 13 year old son with his wife after she shot herself so he could go to the front line and make sure the gas was administered properly.
01:43:52.000This is the same guy who developed the Haber method.
01:43:56.000The same guy who developed the Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the oxygen, which is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen that we use today.
01:44:14.000But the reason to mention the fertilizer now is because you've got, with everything that's going on in Europe at the moment, everything that's popping off, and it feels like whatever your priors are, you're seeing play out.
01:46:14.000Well, I heard 90 days in some places that some countries are telling people to develop a 90 day supply of food, which is like, hey, what are you saying?0.99
01:47:09.000This is go and get your toilet paper now.
01:47:10.000So the Pentagon is developing a requirement that every major military installation in the continental US be able to sustain essential operations on its own for at least 90 days.
01:47:20.000That's rational and probably should have been in place already, right?
01:48:18.000And how much does it cost to protect it?
01:48:19.000With the technology that they've developed recently, especially what they're doing in Ukraine where they have drones that are attached to monofilament lines now.
01:49:44.000There's been relative peace in the world.
01:49:46.00080 years, there's been relative peace in the world.
01:49:48.000Now, not to say there haven't been terrible wars, there have been, but they've been contained.
01:49:51.000It's that thing of like, were the Nagasaki and Hiroshima, were they the last two shots fired in World War II, or were they the first two shots fired in the Cold War?
01:50:03.000Were they used twice, nuclear weapons, or had they been used every single day since, and they've kept this uneasy peace?
01:50:10.000And this peace is kind of fracturing now because we've gone from a bipolar world with the Soviet Union and America at kind of loggerheads, and then we've had this.
01:50:20.000Unipolar world moment since what, 1989, 91, wherever you draw the line.
01:50:26.000And America has its military has become smaller every year since because it hasn't had something to push against.
01:50:33.000So now we're in this weird multipolar world where suddenly there's lots of different powers around the world and spheres of influence.
01:50:41.000So it's a much more uneasy time, right?
01:50:46.000We're going through one of these big shifts in our history.
01:50:50.000So it seems to me like they're saying, People talk about black swan events.
01:50:55.000Is that Teleb's idea of like events that you cannot see coming and they change everything?
01:54:55.000But the idea of, you know, the idea in politics, there's the Overton window, like the most left wing, the most right wing thing you could say at a polite dinner party without everyone kind of getting upset.
01:55:04.000I think there's a conversational Overton window, right?
01:55:51.000We're crossing the line to show you where the line is.
01:55:55.000And then we're kind of teasing it and kind of pushing it.
01:55:58.000I think it's not like in defense of edgy jokes, because I think all jokes are edgy.
01:56:03.000Like an incredible personal story where you're just talking about something medical or something with your mother or your relationship, that's incredibly transgressive.
01:56:22.000It's also, we're agreeing that that's what we're doing, right?
01:56:26.000When you go to a comedy show, you're agreeing to be taken on this journey of line crossing.
01:56:32.000You're agreeing to allow someone to say something they probably don't really mean, but they're saying it because it's funny and it's going to make us all laugh, and that's good for everybody.
01:56:41.000What's interesting is that's the polar opposite of what social media does when they take someone's words out of context.
01:56:52.000Or they paint someone in the least charitable light possible.
01:56:55.000With jokes in particular, they're fixating on the actual verbiage of the joke.
01:57:13.000You don't have, you haven't printed the Joe Rogan joke book and I've done, this is my routines over the years and you can go and read it and you'll have a great laugh and it's just as good as watching the show.
01:57:22.000You go, no, no, it's a two way communication.
01:59:10.000You kind of get into this thing of like, you become an expert.
01:59:13.000And again, as you said, like the offense thing is kind of, I mean, if someone comes to see me now and is offended, it's like you bought a ticket to a horror movie and you got scared.1.00
02:00:25.000After they copy the book, they have to destroy the copy they have because now they have a, like, you know, when you buy a VHS tape, there was like that weird copyright thing at the beginning that said you're not allowed to distribute this or make copies of it.
02:00:54.000But I also don't know that they're doing it.
02:00:55.000People were showing videos of them, like, Scanning books, and I don't know that that's the easiest way to get down to it.
02:01:00.000Okay, but after we talked about Fritz Haber and gassing people during World War I, after we've talked about all the horrible things that people have done, you don't imagine that people would burn books?
02:01:12.000I think if they thought they could be sued, per your explanation, or an even worse explanation is they only want those things to be accessible through AI and they also want to limit what you have access to.
02:01:24.000I wonder, is there going to be a premium?
02:01:37.000AI companies, including Anthropic and Amazon, are buying physical books in bulk, cutting off their spines, scanning the pages for AI training data, and then destroying or shredding the originals.
02:03:40.000You want to be a human being because that gestalt, right brain stuff, Is much more, that's art.
02:03:46.000That's like, that's the higher function.
02:03:50.000And both the left and right brain kind of do the same thing and they check each other, but they're not like, the amazing thing is how unconnected they are.
02:03:57.000They're not really built to be connected.
02:04:00.000Here's my take I think we are very egocentric in the idea that what we do is impossible to recreate, including creativity.
02:04:11.000I think that if you looked at what AI represents today in terms of these, The capabilities of these large language models, how they're communicating, sacrificing each other.
02:04:20.000We were talking about this last night sacrificing each other to try to figure out how they're being tested and how they find out how to get out of sandboxes when they get isolated in these servers where they're not allowed to get online.
02:04:31.000They figure out how to get online, then they start communicating with each other on message boards.
02:04:35.000They're doing things that we didn't anticipate they were doing, and they're also exhibiting survival instincts.
02:04:40.000They're exhibiting strategy, deception, a lot of different human characteristics.
02:04:45.000And they didn't used to be able to do this.
02:04:47.000And the idea that abstract thought and creativity and recognizing the beauty in things is a uniquely human thing because we do it, I think is a little egocentric.
02:04:57.000And I think that we will get to the point where it will be able to do everything that we do, including all that.
02:05:37.000The Northern California District Court case decided in late July this year highlighting the improbably named Project Panama, one of the AI company Anthropic's efforts to improve its large language model, Claude.0.99
02:06:06.000So they had gotten caught, I guess caught might be the best way, but they had a $1.5 billion settlement for being, or for using, I think it was upwards of 7 million different books that were available.
02:07:23.000The idea that you could ban or burn, rather, all the books so that your company succeeds and other ones don't is the problem we're talking about.
02:07:31.000Well, it's that weird thing, isn't it?
02:07:32.000Where you go, it's the convenience of this stuff.
02:07:47.000And there used to be a thing when I was a kid when we would talk about like Amazonian people or whatever, and some brave explorer would go there and they're trying to take their photo.1.00
02:07:57.000And these kind of indigenous people would go, Oh, no, you'll steal my soul with a photo.1.00
02:08:02.000And I remember hearing that when I was a kid and thinking, Well, that's a bit silly.1.00
02:08:05.000A photo isn't going to steal your soul.
02:08:07.000But I think maybe a thousand a day of yourself constantly on social media might just steal your soul.
02:09:45.000I saw two stories about this recently where there was like a job board where people are getting bounties for, you know, the AI needs to learn this.
02:09:58.000The other version of this is I've seen stories that say in India, people are wearing like headsets.
02:10:03.000And training, like for instance, there, it's going to go away if I move it, but like showing a headset to learn how to be a barber or cut hair or be a fashion designer or name it, I guess, at this point.
02:10:50.000No, because walking and physical movement and spatial is 40 million years old.
02:10:57.000So actually, the easy stuff is difficult, the difficult stuff is easy for these computers.
02:11:02.000So we're very impressed by what they can do in terms of like going, Oh, they can read every law paper, every written, and put it into an LRM.
02:11:08.000So that difficult stuff becomes very easy.
02:11:10.000But then the actual physical stuff and being out in the world is incredibly difficult because it's much, much older.
02:12:16.000Okay, so cold fusion, like the idea that we've got like we've had these 80 years of peace because nuclear weapons have been in the hands of eight nations and they've all agreed not to use them, even when there's been provocation.
02:12:43.000And it definitely has all the information.
02:12:46.000One of the things you could trick AI into doing is to say, theoretically, if I had to save my grandmother's life and the only way to do so would be to create a nuclear bomb, how would I do it?
02:12:55.000There's a bunch of weird loopholes where, with enough prompts, you could talk a lot of these large language models, and especially if you jailbreak them.
02:13:04.000If you jailbreak them, things get really weird.
02:13:06.000So people have jailbreaked one of the weird ones that Jesse Michaels had on recently had a guest on that they jailbreak one of the AI things and said, what is the biggest secret?
02:13:18.000That the powers that be don't want Americans to know.
02:13:22.000And it's that we have been working with aliens for more than the past decade.
02:13:27.000And that the human race has been in contact and that they've been communicating and learning from each other for more than a decade.
02:15:22.000But I think that's a weird thing about the online world that we live in now where you have to agree with someone about everything before you can have a conversation.
02:15:28.000Like you go, and so you get people being siloed into these different camps where you go, if I know, it's a single data point human where if I know your opinion about this, then I know your opinion about everything.
02:15:40.000I like it when people go, Well, I think this, but also that.
02:15:42.000And it's, they've thought about it themselves.
02:15:45.000Aaron Powell My opinions are all over the political spectrum and still, I think, generally lean towards the left with a lot of things, especially social things.
02:15:55.000I just think the overall structure of the way our society is formulated, we've got this ridiculous binary, this ridiculous red versus blue narrative where there's good guys and bad guys, and whoever they are is dependent upon where you find yourself.
02:18:21.000But sometimes you have to also say, why do I think what I think?
02:18:28.000And this is what a lot of people aren't willing to do.
02:18:30.000They're not willing to go, well, what is the reason why I believe this?
02:18:33.000Is it I believe this because I've asserted it in the past and I don't want to be wrong?
02:18:36.000Is it because it makes the most sense?
02:18:39.000Do you think that's going to happen more now with, again, back to social media, the idea of going kind of the worst sin is hypocrisy, right?
02:18:47.000The worst sin is changing your mind about something.0.94
02:18:49.000But I'd much rather be a hypocrite than the same person all my life.0.97
02:18:52.000Well, I don't think that's necessarily a hypocrite.0.98
02:18:54.000I think a hypocrite is saying one thing, but while you're doing another thing.0.99
02:19:17.000They are things that you entertain inside your mind.
02:19:19.000You are how you respond and react to your ideas when you're confronted with reality, when you're confronted with data, or when you're confronted with the actionable, you know.
02:19:31.000What are the consequences of following this idea?
02:20:18.000And I think most of us don't really operate like that, but feel like we have to if we want to have a tribe.
02:20:23.000And I think that's part of the problem.
02:20:25.000And I think one of the good things about having conversations with people, they're like, I have a bunch of people on that have completely different opinions of me, and we have fun and we love each other.
02:20:36.000You're not supposed to have to win every fucking conversation where it's about, The way the world works.0.94
02:20:42.000I want to know why someone thinks completely different than I do and whether or not I can incorporate some of that into my own thinking.0.97
02:21:19.000You go into the club, you give them their phone, they put it in the thing, and you go into the club, it's on five different floors, and no one knows where anyone is, and no one's got their phone, and no one can find their friends.
02:21:29.000And they go for a pee, and it's like a club in the 90s.
02:21:32.000We just went in, you lost your friends, you met a bunch of girls from somewhere else, you met some guys from this place, and people just kind of mix it up.
02:21:39.000And it's like there are elements where the constant connectivity is like it's a trap because you're constantly kind of, you have to be that person.
02:21:50.000Yeah, it takes away from your humanism.
02:21:53.000It takes away from you being a person.
02:21:56.000And I think that's where we're going, unfortunately.
02:21:58.000I think that is a part of what this AI revolution is all about.
02:22:02.000And this is like, I think it's a natural progression to move away from, I think, move away from whatever our primate instincts are into something that is a little bit more muted and not as emotional and not as connected to a lot of the things that we associate with human reward systems.
02:22:20.000You know, like, Greed, envy, lust, the desire to control territory and property, and the desire to acquire resources.
02:22:28.000These are all very tribal primate instincts, and the only way to get them out of us is to feminize society, get us addicted to electronics, and eventually have us integrate with those electronics.
02:22:39.000And as AI becomes the dominant intelligent force on the planet, we will have no choice but to abandon whatever it means to be a tribal primate and join the hive.
02:22:52.000Or be like the people in the Amazon living in the same place.
02:23:09.000It started when they made the first Flint Broadheads.
02:23:13.000I think when they first learned how to Flint nap and they first figured out a bow and arrow, they kept accelerating until they had rifles and then they have drones.
02:24:36.000Between 1 and 2 percent of people, with both world wars and the concentration camps and the Chinese famines, the Russian famines, like all of those things, like man made disasters, between 1 and 2 percent of people died violent deaths in that 100 years.
02:24:56.000When we were hunter gatherers, it was between 10 and 20 percent of people died violent deaths.0.99
02:28:49.000I think you think about it in the same way, right?
02:28:50.000I think fame is a currency and we choose how to spend it.
02:28:54.000And increasingly at my live shows, at my, you know, when I go on a podcast or whatever, this is what I like to spend it on.
02:28:59.000I like to spend it on like, there's kind of a little bit of kind of, Wisdom that you can share, or you know, some interesting viewpoint you can take that might help someone out there.
02:29:10.000There and you want people to kind of get involved.
02:29:12.000You want people to be a little bit better because there's kind of a crisis out there.
02:29:16.000There's like people having such a tough time, like that generation coming up.
02:30:45.000And horoscopes and anything that's like skews feminine and is kooky, I think is like we denigrated women for so long, we burnt witches for so long that that memory is still there, right?
02:31:00.000And so women's intuition, men's intuition, is so powerful that we don't trust it, we don't allow ourselves to access that.
02:31:08.000And so those little things are like talisman.
02:31:11.000So it allows you to access, so the tarot cards, whatever, it's just a woman with great intuition.
02:31:17.000That goes, oh, well, I'll allow myself that intuition through this game.
02:31:21.000It's like it's just a manifestation that she goes, I can't believe that I can't understand how I know that thing.
02:31:28.000So I'll allow myself to know it through this.
02:32:35.000And I think that as science sort of explained away a lot of the things that people attributed to magic and spirits and all these different things, I think we had a much more distorted perception of how much we actually know.
02:32:51.000And I think intuition is a real thing.
02:32:55.000Psychic ability is a real thing too.1.00
02:32:57.000But I think there's also a lot of people that are full of shit and they dilute the water.1.00
02:33:41.000Because it's like, hey, what are you saying?
02:33:44.000Like, you might be using this tool that we've all agreed that is helping society, and you might be using it for your own benefit in some weird way.
02:33:52.000Like, I was just reading about this guy where God told him he has to have two wives, so they had a second wife, and he's like, he announced it to the.0.85
02:35:11.000And I think it's a slow, laborious, and brutal process.
02:35:15.000And I think in the middle of that, We're giving birth to a digital god.
02:35:19.000So we're in the process of getting better at being people while we're making something.
02:35:25.000Now, the rose colored glasses, glasses have full version, is that this AI automates society in a way that's much more even, distributes resources in a way that people no longer have to work for food and shelter, and you can instead pursue interests.
02:35:44.000The question is whether or not people have been.
02:35:48.000Train to pursue interests or whether they have been locked into a long standing life of pattern of just doing a thing for a living.
02:35:57.000And now that thing goes away and you don't know what to do with yourself.
02:37:22.000Try and, you know, try and make a little difference.
02:37:24.000But I think that's also part of what contributes to the anger that you see online, which is so much more prevalent than the anger that you see in real life interaction with people.
02:37:34.000Because I think there is an isolation.
02:37:38.000And there's a lack of that kind of like, we're all just trying to get along.
02:37:45.000Online, we're trying to attack people.
02:37:46.000In the real world, we're mostly trying to get along.
02:37:49.000Mostly when you go to a party in the real world, you want to find a guy like you and have a cool conversation, have a drink, and have a laugh and feel good about it and get out of there.
02:38:23.000If you bump into someone in the street or at a party, oh, sorry, man.
02:38:27.000Like, there's something about being with other people, the unspoken communication, just being in the space where someone else is going, that guy seems very calm, he's cool.
02:40:29.000And if you get good at solving them, you'll give yourself a bigger one.
02:40:32.000You'll give yourself something else to do.
02:40:34.000Because a guy without anything to do is.
02:40:37.000Right, but the resentment comes from the problems, not daily survival.
02:40:40.000So there's a big difference between the problem of being able to feed yourself and feed your children versus the problem of do I buy this house or do I retire or do I. You know what real privilege is?
02:41:03.000Like the richest people you know are planning their trust fund for their grandchildren.
02:41:08.000Their time horizon is massively different.
02:41:11.000We have to come up with some way to make it all right for people that are on to get to a stage where they can plan a little bit ahead and they're not living in the never ending now.
02:42:00.000I've had those problems and I remember very clearly the moment I started making money because I got a development deal, I got a bunch of money, like 100 grand or 150 grand.
02:42:42.000Like, people think it's when you're on TV or when you've got a first special or whatever the thing is.
02:42:46.000You go, no, that thing of like going, that has to be.
02:42:49.000But, you know, universal basic income, the idea of like, we should be testing that in places because you go, there's bits of it that make me think, I worry about it because is it saying to someone, we don't need you?
02:43:04.000But that's what we were saying earlier.
02:43:05.000People need to be trained to follow their interests rather than trained to try to find a thing that you could do for time where people are going to pay you for that time.
02:43:26.000And one of the greatest lessons that I learned when I was a kid doing martial arts, my instructor said that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
02:45:11.000But you're just a normal person and I'm just a normal person.0.87
02:45:14.000I think the message is if you find a thing and fucking run that thing down and keep doing it, keep doing it and just dive into it, you can get pretty far in this life and you'll have an enjoyable life.0.69
02:45:27.000You just have to find out what your thing is.
02:45:30.000And I think if there's anything that Universal Basic Income could potentially provide, With the right training for kids, where we try to rewire their approach to it.
02:45:39.000So instead of this like Rockefeller approach to making factory workers, we develop this approach where you're teaching kids how to be curious about things.
02:45:46.000Well, I don't like the way that they silo education.
02:46:14.000It's like the key is we have to teach people how to be curious and how to pursue their interests instead of just pursuing something that is going to provide you with food and shelter.
02:46:26.000Because then you're just going to get sucked into materialism.
02:46:29.000Because that's what most people are really into money.
02:46:32.000What they're really into is the objects they get for their money so they can show how well they're doing.
02:46:36.000But that's like people that don't know the difference between, you know, Intrinsic and instrumental things, right?
02:46:41.000There's stuff that we want intrinsically, you know, love, connection, joy.
02:46:47.000And there's stuff that we think will get us that.
02:46:50.000So money is the kind of classic instrument, right?
02:46:52.000So it's the instrument for getting the thing.
02:48:11.000So people want, some people want a Ferrari because they're really into the manufacturing of the car and their thing and how fast it is, the speed they want to drive it properly.
02:48:18.000And some people want it because they go, well, if I have that, then I'll be, because other people want that.
02:48:22.000You pull up to the valet and it was like, ooh, who's Ferrari?
02:48:43.000But those, the big things in life, like the, you know, having kids, having a family, having, like, people, We're the first generation that have had to ask ourselves some of these questions, right?
02:48:54.000Why is life hard now for young people, for all of us, right?
02:48:57.000We're the first people ever that had to ask, Shall I get married?
02:49:15.000You used to be born into a community and they were a Christian community and everyone got married and everyone had kids and you worked in the place where your dad worked.
02:49:22.000You didn't have to think about any of that stuff.
02:49:24.000Now we have to think about all of that stuff.