The Joe Rogan Experience - October 28, 2026


Joe Rogan Experience #2571 - Jimmy Carr

Joe Rogan Experience #2570 - Mystery Boys

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2 hours and 50 minutes

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00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.
00:00:04.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
00:00:12.000 Hey, Jimmy.
00:00:15.000 Good to see you, friend.
00:00:16.000 Yeah.
00:00:16.000 I want to thank you so much for introducing me to Clarkson.
00:00:21.000 Oh, it's fun, right?
00:00:22.000 Jeremy Clarkson is the best.
00:00:24.000 He's exactly who you think he is.
00:00:28.000 When you see him on TV, that's who he is. 0.95
00:00:31.000 Fucking hilarious. 0.96
00:00:32.000 He was so fun to talk to. 0.97
00:00:33.000 Such an interesting guy to talk to.
00:00:35.000 Well, he came down to the mothership last night.
00:00:37.000 I don't think he's been to a comedy club before.
00:00:39.000 That's wild.
00:00:39.000 He was like, What's going on?
00:00:41.000 What's the show?
00:00:42.000 I went, I'm doing a thing called Kill Tony.
00:00:44.000 He went, I don't know what that is, Jim.
00:00:46.000 Are you telling jokes?
00:00:47.000 I went, I'm sort of judging people telling.
00:00:49.000 Oh, okay.
00:00:50.000 And then he got to the mothership and went, Can I get a rose?
00:00:57.000 Luckily, I think your missus has a bottle of rose somewhere, which is now missing.
00:01:00.000 They keep rose there for.
00:01:02.000 Yeah.
00:01:03.000 Well, you know, the guy he was with, Wilman.
00:01:05.000 Who's his producer?
00:01:07.000 They're childhood friends.
00:01:08.000 They were in school together and they've done everything together.
00:01:12.000 They're just as thick as thieves.
00:01:13.000 The whole origin story, how it started out with a syndicated story, a syndicated article.
00:01:18.000 He started, he used to write reviews for cars in the local paper.
00:01:22.000 He would write these articles and he's always been like a really funny guy.
00:01:25.000 So it would be a review of a car, but it would be kind of about life and what's going on in the world as well, always.
00:01:31.000 And he'd write this really kind of funny piece.
00:01:33.000 And then they decided, well, we can sell it to this local paper.
00:01:36.000 But there's another local paper, and every sort of local paper's got a car section on a Wednesday selling cars.
00:01:43.000 And those guys advertised, and they had to make that look more like a paper.
00:01:47.000 So you could just sell that to every newspaper in the country.
00:01:50.000 So he ended up kind of making a fortune doing that.
00:01:51.000 That's how he kind of got his reputation.
00:01:53.000 Wow.
00:01:54.000 Kind of clever to think about kind of how media changes over the years.
00:01:57.000 That was kind of the old newspapers, local papers were the thing.
00:02:00.000 And before he started writing the car articles, what was he doing then?
00:02:03.000 Oh, I mean, nothing.
00:02:05.000 Really?
00:02:05.000 Nothing.
00:02:05.000 He was just like, just a guy.
00:02:07.000 He graduated with nothing.
00:02:08.000 I think.
00:02:10.000 Didn't graduate university.
00:02:11.000 He just was like, uh.
00:02:12.000 He's a funny guy.
00:02:13.000 He was showing me his broken finger from where he punched Piers Morgan.
00:02:16.000 I'm right, yeah.
00:02:17.000 Yes, I think that's.
00:02:18.000 Do you see that?
00:02:20.000 See that bump?
00:02:21.000 That's from punching Piers Morgan.
00:02:26.000 Well, well done, him.
00:02:28.000 I don't know.
00:02:28.000 He's so fun, man.
00:02:30.000 We had a great time.
00:02:31.000 You've got to get him on.
00:02:32.000 I would love to.
00:02:32.000 He is a little apprehensive.
00:02:34.000 He says every time he opens his mouth about anything on a podcast, the Daily Mail writes a terrible article about him.
00:02:41.000 But it's that thing where you go, other people's opinions about me are none of my business.
00:02:45.000 Yes.
00:02:46.000 Like, people are going to write things, and that's okay.
00:02:49.000 But at some stage, you just have to go, and I think it's like a superpower. 0.98
00:02:53.000 Not giving a fuck what other people think about you is a superpower. 0.89
00:02:56.000 And if you can do that, like, I think comics are maybe better at it because we're not entertainers in the pure sense. 0.98
00:03:01.000 I remember this thing, like, Robbie Williams said this thing to me.
00:03:04.000 He said, I'm an entertainer in the pure sense.
00:03:07.000 If you don't love me, I don't love me.
00:03:09.000 Ooh.
00:03:11.000 God, I don't think of musicians as being that way.
00:03:13.000 I would never think of Bob Dylan as that way.
00:03:15.000 Well, I think Bob Dylan is.
00:03:17.000 I think the difference between an entertainer and an artist is if you say to an artist, I love your new record. 0.99
00:03:22.000 And they go, Well, that's interesting, but I didn't give a fuck. 0.99
00:03:25.000 It's my new record. 0.98
00:03:26.000 And I think comics have got that thing where you go, I feel like I write the jokes, but I don't write the show. 0.97
00:03:32.000 Do you really think that an artist would say, I don't give a fuck if you like my record? 0.97
00:03:37.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:03:37.000 I feel like there's a spectrum of giving a fuck what other people like. 0.99
00:03:42.000 But the most important thing is. 0.99
00:03:46.000 You being able to express yourself.
00:03:48.000 That's the most important thing.
00:03:49.000 If you're expressing yourself only for other people's love and affection, like if you're just zooming in on what's going to give them the best response, what's going to get me the best response, the most love and affection from those people, that's a trap.
00:04:05.000 I think that's audience capture.
00:04:06.000 It's where you become a covers version of yourself.
00:04:11.000 That thing of like that fame being like a weird hall of mirrors where you kind of reflect back what you think they want you to be.
00:04:11.000 Right.
00:04:18.000 Yes.
00:04:19.000 As opposed to audience capture.
00:04:21.000 Yeah.
00:04:21.000 Finding something kind of exciting to do.
00:04:23.000 I do think that some people who are true artists, like I've, I know musicians that are like really good musicians and very popular.
00:04:31.000 And when people come up to them and say they loved a certain song or they loved a certain album, they genuinely get happy.
00:04:38.000 I think that's possible.
00:04:40.000 I think it's possible to say thank you.
00:04:42.000 I really appreciate that.
00:04:43.000 I'm glad you loved that album.
00:04:44.000 I've seen it happen.
00:04:46.000 I wonder if it's a continuum of like, okay, so you've got like, I don't know, Picasso at one end going, listen, I do what I do and I've got to express myself.
00:04:54.000 And on the other end, it's the guy kind of dancing, desperately.
00:04:57.000 Trying to get the audience on his side?
00:04:59.000 Well, I think it's a spectrum of varying personalities with the same kind of goal.
00:05:08.000 The kind of goal for an artist is you have an idea and you want to figure out the best form of it to present to other people, right?
00:05:16.000 Yeah. 0.60
00:05:18.000 And there's all sorts of mentally ill people to get invested in this too. 1.00
00:05:23.000 There's people that are out of their fucking mind. 1.00
00:05:25.000 I mean, Jerry Lee Lewis. 1.00
00:05:28.000 Was accused of drowning his wife.
00:05:30.000 He married his.
00:05:32.000 How old was the girl that he married? 0.52
00:05:35.000 Young.
00:05:36.000 Yeah.
00:05:37.000 He famously went on before Chuck.
00:05:41.000 Who did he go on before?
00:05:42.000 Was it Chuck.
00:05:44.000 What was the story where he lit the piano on fire?
00:05:47.000 Well, there's the cousin.
00:05:50.000 I think that's where he had to go.
00:05:50.000 Okay.
00:05:52.000 Chuck was 22, and he married his 13 year old first cousin once removed.
00:05:58.000 Okay.
00:05:59.000 So you got to separate the artist from the art.
00:05:59.000 Okay.
00:06:01.000 That's what they always say.
00:06:02.000 But my point is like, you got that, and then you've got, you know, Kurt Cobain, you've got Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin.
00:06:02.000 Right.
00:06:14.000 I'd make a distinction here between hyper accelerated rationality, like super smart people doing great stuff, and actual genius.
00:06:24.000 I think genius always comes with a little sprinkle of crazy.
00:06:28.000 Yes.
00:06:28.000 I think it's like there is a price to pay that you would not want to pay.
00:06:32.000 So whether it's.
00:06:33.000 Michael Jackson or Kurt Cobain, like tortured souls, creating this incredible entertainment for us.
00:06:40.000 But they're going to a very dark place.
00:06:42.000 I've got a theory about the 27 Club.
00:06:44.000 You know, the 27 Club of all the people that died at age 27?
00:06:47.000 These incredible musicians, Janice Joplin and Jimi Hendrix and Amy Winehouse, these incredible artists.
00:06:55.000 And I think it's because they are more sensitive than we are.
00:07:01.000 They've got everything, they're feeling everything.
00:07:06.000 And to be that good, so then they're numbing themselves.
00:07:09.000 The drugs are the medication to just, I need to not feel this.
00:07:14.000 Well, there's certainly a lot of that going on.
00:07:16.000 No one would deny that.
00:07:18.000 You know, it's just, I think whenever you're trying to categorize a group as large as artists and lump them into a specific type of personality traits, you know, a predetermined pattern of personality traits, I don't think you could do it.
00:07:37.000 I've just met too many that are so different.
00:07:40.000 I've met like really arrogant ones that are clearly mentally ill that produce incredible works. 0.99
00:07:46.000 Like Kanye West clearly has some mental issues. 0.98
00:07:50.000 Yeah, I think that's that's undeniable. 1.00
00:07:51.000 And that motherfucker knows how to make some bangers. 0.99
00:07:54.000 Yes, it's extraordinary. 1.00
00:07:55.000 Dude, he's he's like the prime example of like, you wouldn't want to be a genius.
00:08:00.000 I'll be, I'll just do my thing.
00:08:02.000 That's great.
00:08:02.000 But that the price to pay, I asked Elon Musk once about that.
00:08:07.000 And he said, You wouldn't want to be me.
00:08:09.000 He goes, You wouldn't want to, he goes, I just my brain never stops moving.
00:08:14.000 It's like it's horrible.
00:08:15.000 Well, I kind of think that's a storm going on in my head.
00:08:17.000 I sometimes think about that with anxiety.
00:08:19.000 You know the idea that like anxiety is thought without control and a flow state is control without thought.
00:08:29.000 Like the idea that you could be in a flow state where you're not thinking, you're just doing the thing.
00:08:35.000 Sometimes on stage you can hit that.
00:08:37.000 And then, but the anxiety, all of the anxiety that I have, if I wake up and I have a panic attack and I'm kind of, my mind is spinning, is also the thing that's written every joke I've ever written and done everything I've ever done.
00:08:49.000 That kind of.
00:08:50.000 That nervous energy.
00:08:51.000 So there's always like a positive to it, but take it to its extreme where you go, the guy can't relax.
00:08:56.000 The guy can't sort of.
00:08:58.000 I mean, I think here's my theory on Elon Musk I think he's going to find religion in the next 12 months because, right, there's a theory, right?
00:09:06.000 It's four things that keep us from God, right?
00:09:10.000 Okay, so fame, fortune, power, and pleasure.
00:09:13.000 And I think he's won every one of those games.
00:09:16.000 I think he's going to get bored and he's going to have to go and find God.
00:09:21.000 Interesting.
00:09:22.000 Fame, fortune, power, pleasure.
00:09:25.000 Maybe he creates God. 1.00
00:09:26.000 Maybe that's what they're in the middle of doing with these fucking conversations. 1.00
00:09:30.000 Oh, this is my. 0.99
00:09:31.000 You know, I'm with Hegel and Nietzsche on this, right?
00:09:33.000 So I don't think we were created in God's image.
00:09:38.000 But I think we so wanted there to be a God that we created one in our image.
00:09:43.000 I'm going to describe something to you it's all powerful, all knowing, it can create miracles, and it lives in a cloud.
00:09:51.000 Now, am I talking about God or AI?
00:09:53.000 And both Hegel and Nietzsche got to this 150 years ago.
00:09:58.000 They went, well, is the universe, was God there for the Big Bang?
00:10:02.000 Or is the universe a device for creating God?
00:10:07.000 That's what I believe as well.
00:10:09.000 I believe that it's the whole reason why we innovate, it's the whole reason why we're obsessed with material possessions.
00:10:15.000 I think all that fuels innovation, and the innovation eventually fuels the creation of a digital life form.
00:10:22.000 And it used to sound like science fiction until about 20 years ago.
00:10:25.000 And now we're deep in the middle of it where it's undeniable.
00:10:28.000 It's interesting because you like the Egyptian culture, right?
00:10:31.000 The myths and legends and the pyramids.
00:10:33.000 Because it strikes me that the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians. 0.95
00:10:36.000 The Greeks basically looked at the Egyptians and went, oh, they fell to nothing because they never innovated, they never changed anything. 0.94
00:10:44.000 So the Greeks kind of wanted not to make that mistake.
00:10:46.000 They didn't want to make that mistake.
00:10:47.000 Like, we live closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the building of the pyramids.
00:10:52.000 We, yes.
00:10:53.000 That's like a weird fact.
00:10:54.000 They never, because once they had it locked in, they just went, okay, that's us.
00:10:58.000 This is our system.
00:10:59.000 As opposed to the.
00:11:02.000 That's a narrative of history, and you should look into the work of your fellow countryman, Graham Hancock.
00:11:08.000 Do you know who he is?
00:11:09.000 No, I don't know.
00:11:10.000 Okay, Graham Hancock had a show on Netflix for two seasons.
00:11:13.000 I don't know if they're going to do a third, but it's called Ancient Apocalypse.
00:11:17.000 Is that it?
00:11:18.000 That's it, right?
00:11:19.000 And it's all about how.
00:11:21.000 Was this made for you?
00:11:22.000 This feels like it was made specifically for you.
00:11:22.000 No.
00:11:25.000 I've been a fan of his for a long time.
00:11:27.000 He was actually one of the first guests I ever had on this podcast, actual guests.
00:11:31.000 Oh, wow.
00:11:32.000 Okay.
00:11:32.000 Other than being comedian friends of mine, me and Duncan convinced him to do the podcast when the podcast was like no one was on.
00:11:40.000 I think I have heard this guy on here when he came back.
00:11:44.000 He's been on many, many times.
00:11:45.000 He's a very good friend of mine now.
00:11:46.000 I love him to death.
00:11:47.000 But I think he's right.
00:11:49.000 And I think he's not alone now.
00:11:52.000 There are dozens of legitimate archaeologists that share his ideas.
00:11:56.000 And then on top of that, you have people that are studying impacts on Earth from extraterrestrial or interstellar.
00:12:05.000 Any kind of asteroid, comet impacts, all those different things.
00:12:09.000 There's a lot more information about that now than they've ever had before.
00:12:12.000 And there's a big one that aligns up with the end of this.
00:12:17.000 Previous civilization that probably created all these great works and what we have now, and this sort of 5,000 year period of reconstruction of civilization.
00:12:26.000 Let me see if I can tie all of this together.
00:12:28.000 Okay.
00:12:28.000 Okay.
00:12:29.000 Artists, Elon Musk's, and the pyramids.
00:12:32.000 And AI.
00:12:33.000 Here we go.
00:12:33.000 Here we go.
00:12:33.000 And AI.
00:12:34.000 Yeah.
00:12:34.000 I think this is Terence McKenna's point originally.
00:12:37.000 So pyramids and rockets are the same thing.
00:12:41.000 How's that?
00:12:42.000 Okay.
00:12:42.000 So it's a huge amount of human capital is used to send a chosen few to the heavens.
00:12:50.000 That's what a pyramid is for.
00:12:53.000 And that is what a rocket is for.
00:12:55.000 There's a lot of debate on what the pyramid is for now, but most likely it was some sort of a device.
00:13:00.000 They were using it for something.
00:13:02.000 But again, it's for the transcendent, is the idea.
00:13:05.000 I don't know.
00:13:06.000 His take was.
00:13:07.000 That idea doesn't hold up anymore.
00:13:10.000 There's a lot of information about the actual design of the inner dimensions of the pyramid that leads a lot of legitimate, especially younger archaeologists now.
00:13:21.000 To try to examine what exactly this thing is.
00:13:24.000 Do you know about all the new discoveries that they found with the ground penetrating radar?
00:13:28.000 Yeah, I kind of don't know what to make of it because it feels to me like the news cycle now, it feels like that would have been a year's worth of news had that happened 15 years ago.
00:13:40.000 And now it feels like we move on so quickly. 0.82
00:13:42.000 Well, the problem is it's very gate kept in Egypt. 0.87
00:13:45.000 Like that guy that I had on my podcast, Zahi Hawass, he's in charge of whatever gets distributed about whatever official narrative, whatever.
00:13:54.000 Press releases, he's sort of at the front of the line, and he has been for a long time.
00:14:00.000 They're very reluctant to give up those reins to any new discovery that doesn't have his name on it and doesn't have their name on it.
00:14:07.000 It's not approved by them.
00:14:09.000 It's a real problem because there's this labyrinth that was discovered by, well, it was documented by Herodotus.
00:14:17.000 So we're talking thousands of years ago.
00:14:19.000 This incredible structure underneath Giza that's greater than Giza.
00:14:25.000 Now they know that's real now.
00:14:26.000 They've used ground penetrating radar now.
00:14:30.000 There was also an explorer, I think, was it the 1800s, who went down there?
00:14:33.000 But he could only go so far.
00:14:35.000 The water table changed.
00:14:36.000 They had built a dam in the 1960s, and that really fucked it up where they can't go back in there anymore.
00:14:42.000 When they built this dam to help agriculture, it raised the water table all around the Giza Plateau.
00:14:48.000 This labyrinth, this incredible underground structure, was all flooded.
00:14:53.000 They're trying to figure out what to do about that now.
00:14:56.000 Because of ground penetrating radar, not only do they know that this exists.
00:14:59.000 Without doubt.
00:15:01.000 Like they can absolutely document the immense size, but that there's also a 40 meter long metallic object that's in the center of a large atrium that looks like a tic tac.
00:15:13.000 They don't know what it is.
00:15:15.000 They don't know what metal it is, but they do know it's made out of metal and it's 40 meters long.
00:15:21.000 And it's underground in this insane structure.
00:15:23.000 Is it longer than 5,000 years ago?
00:15:25.000 Probably longer.
00:15:27.000 This is the real problem.
00:15:29.000 The real problem is we don't know what the origin story of humanity is.
00:15:35.000 We don't know.
00:15:36.000 This is what the Jesus story is and the Adam and Eve story.
00:15:39.000 There's all these stories, but what we get is there was probably some sort of an event, and then people talked about it for hundreds of years before anybody ever wrote it down.
00:15:50.000 And no one who wrote it down was there, and no one has an accurate, really accurate representation of what that person says, including the works of Jesus.
00:16:01.000 Yeah.
00:16:01.000 Well, this is like I suppose it's that thing of the carcass of the whale, like the idea that we're living in a world that we couldn't build again.
00:16:11.000 Like, you know, for Britain, you go, we were the first industrializing nation, right?
00:16:16.000 We built the first railways.
00:16:18.000 And now we are totally incapable of building a railway. 0.99
00:16:21.000 Like, the last 15 years, 20 years, the Chinese have covered themselves in high speed rail and we've covered ourselves in environmental reports. 0.99
00:16:30.000 Right. 1.00
00:16:30.000 We seem incapable of kind of getting shit done. 1.00
00:16:32.000 So you go, you have these weird things where you go, the pyramids are there and we've kind of lost the instruction manual. 0.97
00:16:38.000 We couldn't do that again now if we tried.
00:16:41.000 It's a weird thing with civilizations where they kind of, I don't know, like how did Rome fall?
00:16:46.000 There's a theory about how civilizations fall.
00:16:48.000 Sure.
00:16:50.000 Peter Turchin has this really good theory, which is it's two things one is inequality, and one is the overproduction of elites.
00:16:59.000 So you have too many people becoming elites, and then they don't get what is promised to the elites because you open up.
00:17:07.000 So too many people go to university.
00:17:09.000 If half of everyone goes to university, then they can't, and they get the degree and they work hard.
00:17:14.000 And then they don't get the life that they were promised, then they become a counter elite and they rebel against the elite, and the inequality becomes too great and everything crumbles.
00:17:26.000 That's his kind of theory through history of how societies kind of come crashing down.
00:17:31.000 Trevor Burrus Well, that's certainly a factor, and we're experiencing that right now.
00:17:36.000 I think the factor that they were dealing with was asteroid impacts and documented ones.
00:17:43.000 So, this is a part of the Younger Dryas theory that's undeniable, is that they've done ice core samples.
00:17:48.000 And in these ice core samples, they find high levels of iridium in a lot of areas.
00:17:53.000 Iridium is very common in space, very rare on Earth.
00:17:56.000 When there's a layer of it, it usually indicates that we were hit.
00:17:59.000 And this is all around that same time period of 11,000 years ago.
00:18:03.000 Well, it's interesting as well what effect that has on the globe.
00:18:07.000 There's that famous case of people talk about the environment, what's going on with our environment, and really Krakatoa is a great example.
00:18:15.000 So when Krakatoa went off, it was such a big volcanic eruption, there was no summer.
00:18:20.000 In Europe the next year, because all of the particles went up into the stratosphere, above the stratosphere, and they reflected light.
00:18:27.000 So the Earth cooled by like two degrees.
00:18:29.000 What year was this?
00:18:30.000 This is 18 Hill, no.
00:18:32.000 1883?
00:18:33.000 Wow.
00:18:34.000 Like no summer in Europe.
00:18:36.000 And Europe was, I guess, probably no summer in the world, but they didn't measure it anywhere else.
00:18:40.000 So there's kind of mass starvation off the back of that.
00:18:42.000 Right, of course.
00:18:43.000 And again, like civil unrest and people kind of falling to pieces.
00:18:49.000 Do you know about the Toba one?
00:18:50.000 The Toba volcano?
00:18:51.000 There was one that's, what was it?
00:18:53.000 Was that 70,000 years ago?
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00:20:01.000 Varies by state.
00:20:02.000 It knocked humanity down to a few thousand people.
00:20:05.000 I think it's 60,000 is like the lowest we got to, I think.
00:20:10.000 Which is extraordinary when you think about it.
00:20:11.000 From a super volcano.
00:20:12.000 And so, a super volcano is, you know, it's not extraterrestrial.
00:20:16.000 It's a thing that's actually here.
00:20:18.000 It's a natural disaster that occurs periodically on Earth, whereas the sky is a shooting gallery.
00:20:25.000 And we are in the middle of a crazy pathway where we run into 900 plus thousand near Earth objects, and we're spiraling through the galaxy, hurling into space.
00:20:39.000 At an insane rate of speed.
00:20:41.000 I mean, it kind of makes me feel dizzy.
00:20:43.000 City sized objects that are just floating around and occasionally they come rocking at five times the speed of sound and slam into the earth and it rings like a bell for a million years.
00:20:56.000 And that's what killed the dinosaurs.
00:20:58.000 Yeah.
00:20:59.000 Within seconds, it was miles into the earth.
00:20:59.000 Yeah.
00:21:02.000 The dinosaurs were, I forget what the name is, there's a biological term for it, but the eggs below a certain temperature were male and above a certain temperature were female dinosaur eggs. 0.75
00:21:12.000 So, and that would work that worked pretty well for the distribution of gender.
00:21:17.000 Yeah. 0.92
00:21:17.000 And so when the asteroid hit, obviously it kills a couple of dinosaurs that it hits. 0.92
00:21:22.000 But what really happens is the earth cools by two degrees and their system just goes. 1.00
00:21:26.000 So they're all born female. 1.00
00:21:28.000 And then they all die out. 1.00
00:21:28.000 That makes sense. 1.00
00:21:29.000 So any animal with that system.
00:21:31.000 So then there's ones that didn't die out that didn't have that system.
00:21:34.000 So the reason, you know, crocodiles or sharks, you know, things from that era that just didn't depend on that system for gender distribution.
00:21:41.000 I was just reading about an animal.
00:21:44.000 Some sort of a reptile that they just recently observed getting pregnant without a male involved.
00:21:53.000 And that this was unsuspected.
00:21:56.000 They didn't think that they could do this.
00:21:59.000 God, I wish I was paying more attention to it.
00:22:01.000 But that happens all the time in the weird lizard world.
00:22:05.000 Like the same kind of creatures that can grow their own legs back when they lose a leg.
00:22:09.000 They also.
00:22:10.000 What's going on there? 1.00
00:22:11.000 What the fuck is going on there? 0.99
00:22:12.000 And how come we can't do that? 0.99
00:22:14.000 They also get.
00:22:16.000 Heavily affected, their sexual organs get affected by things like herbicide, like atrazine. 0.87
00:22:22.000 You know, that stuff that gets dumped into the water that turns, Alex Jones famously said, turns the frogs gay? 0.93
00:22:28.000 Oh, right. 0.95
00:22:28.000 Okay. 0.95
00:22:29.000 Turns out it really does.
00:22:30.000 Turns out it really does. 0.83
00:22:32.000 It really changes their gender.
00:22:33.000 It turns a male frog into a female frog.
00:22:36.000 Yeah.
00:22:37.000 I mean, we're messing around with stuff.
00:22:38.000 That can't be good, can it?
00:22:40.000 But no, but it's just weird to me how the lizard world is so odd like that.
00:22:45.000 They're so much different than the rest of us.
00:22:48.000 Like the lizard world, we should be very terrified if we ever get invaded by reptiles.
00:22:52.000 Like, if reptilian aliens are real things.
00:22:54.000 I'll make a note of that somewhere.
00:22:55.000 Yeah, I mean, that seems like a pretty good idea.
00:22:57.000 They'll get their limbs back.
00:22:58.000 Also, some of them don't need to eat for a year.
00:23:02.000 Like crocodiles, they cannot eat for a whole year.
00:23:06.000 They can hold their breath underwater for hours at a time, slow their heart rate down to almost nothing.
00:23:10.000 Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm with you.
00:23:12.000 If we get invaded by crocodiles, I think we need to take it very seriously.
00:23:15.000 Yeah.
00:23:15.000 It might bring humanity together, which would be the good thing.
00:23:19.000 Something would, like another 9 11 or something. 0.99
00:23:22.000 We need almost we need to be attacked. 0.95
00:23:23.000 Well, it sounds like we're being defended right now.
00:23:25.000 Inequality is the big thing that Peter Turchin talks about, like bringing down civilizations.
00:23:28.000 But this other guy did a study on the things that cause equality, and they're four things, right?
00:23:36.000 Things, right?
00:23:37.000 So you've got to be careful what you wish for because the things that cause equality to happen are it's war, revolution, civilizational collapse, and pandemics.
00:23:47.000 Like those are the things that equal out society.
00:23:47.000 Yeah.
00:23:50.000 It's just like it's terrible.
00:23:53.000 Pandemic did for a little bit, I think.
00:23:56.000 I think in the beginning it kind of brought people together and sort of settled people down to like what was actually important in life.
00:24:03.000 The very early days when we were really worried that people were going to die from it. 0.95
00:24:07.000 There was like no one knew what the severity of the infection was, and we're just hearing about this disease from China, we're locking down the country.
00:24:15.000 That was genuinely terrifying. 0.78
00:24:16.000 Well, the idea that everyone went through the same thing.
00:24:20.000 Yes.
00:24:20.000 Everyone had the same experience.
00:24:22.000 People reacted very differently to it, but everyone went through the same experience, like that kind of the global lockdown.
00:24:28.000 Right.
00:24:29.000 But it wasn't uniting, though, after a while.
00:24:33.000 Because after a while, it became very divisive, especially when there was the whole are you with or without the vaccines?
00:24:40.000 Like, are you Apple or are you Android?
00:24:42.000 It's like it's one of those tribal things that people do.
00:24:45.000 Are you Republican?
00:24:46.000 Are you a Democrat?
00:24:47.000 Even whether they're skeptical about pharmaceutical drug companies, normally they'll abandon all that if there's some sort of an ideological group that you're a part of that thinks one way or another.
00:24:59.000 And that happened during the pandemic.
00:25:00.000 Yeah.
00:25:01.000 Which I never thought we would see.
00:25:02.000 I think it's a little window in the room.
00:25:04.000 Fierce fights about pharmaceutical drugs and whether or not you believe in the pharmaceutical drug company and that the people on the left would be the ones that were telling you these massive multi billion dollar corporations that have the highest.
00:25:17.000 Criminal fines in all of human history.
00:25:19.000 Those are the ones we should be trusting.
00:25:21.000 But that happened in this country and it happened all around the world.
00:25:24.000 It happened all over the world. 1.00
00:25:25.000 I mean, it was a shit show. 1.00
00:25:27.000 I mean, it shut down everything. 1.00
00:25:30.000 But that was the divide.
00:25:31.000 The divide was the medication and what path we took to get out of it.
00:25:35.000 If that didn't exist, if it was just there is no medication, the only thing you could do is be healthy enough to be resilient and get through the cold, but we're all going to get it.
00:25:46.000 Is that the narrative?
00:25:48.000 Not what's happening right now, though, in terms of going, if you look at what we're doing, right?
00:25:52.000 Gain of function research, which is, it almost certainly came from gain of function research, which is like looking for a gas leak with a lit match, right?
00:26:01.000 So it's just inherently dangerous.
00:26:03.000 But this is kind of the, I don't know if it is even a conspiracy now, but the search for AGI strikes me as a similar kind of thing, right?
00:26:13.000 You're searching for the last invention, the last thing that you'll ever need.
00:26:19.000 You know, the conspiracy about solstice.
00:26:21.000 Well, I think AGI has a legitimate potential to change our lives for the better.
00:26:26.000 It's just, will it?
00:26:28.000 Yes.
00:26:29.000 Is this the future?
00:26:30.000 Is it Star Trek or Star Wars?
00:26:32.000 There's no way these engineering viruses to be more virulent, to infect more people more easily, to kill people more.
00:26:42.000 There's no way that's good.
00:26:44.000 There's nothing good out of that.
00:26:45.000 But the AGI potentially could change society, potentially for the better.
00:26:51.000 It's just, it's like, what's the number?
00:26:53.000 Like, how does it go?
00:26:55.000 Yeah, and it's a knife edge of life.
00:26:57.000 But gain of function is not doing anything good for us.
00:26:59.000 There was no cure.
00:27:00.000 They had all these diseases that they engineered, and they had no idea how to treat them.
00:27:04.000 No, I remember, like, they wiped out polio in the 50s, and then they kept it.
00:27:09.000 I should listen to that story, too.
00:27:10.000 But they kept it. 0.99
00:27:11.000 That story is kind of fucking crazy, too. 0.99
00:27:13.000 You know what? 0.97
00:27:14.000 I heard the lady on here talking about it, but I mean, it's like you go, they definitely, polio was something.
00:27:19.000 Well, polio still is a problem, but the real problem back then was there was polio, and then there was DDT spraying.
00:27:26.000 And that's a big part of the story, a gigantic part of the story is that the polio epidemic in America aligns with DDT use, ubiquitous DDT use all over the country.
00:27:37.000 And DDT poisoning has the exact same symptoms as paralytic polio.
00:27:43.000 It's the same symptoms.
00:27:44.000 And in fact, a lot of animals during that same time period cows, horses, farm animals in rural areas were getting polio.
00:27:52.000 Same symptoms. 0.99
00:27:53.000 Because it's fucking DDT poisoning. 1.00
00:27:53.000 Why? 1.00
00:27:56.000 So remember, John Stewart's enemy used to follow this, like, they were just spraying the neighborhood.
00:27:56.000 Right.
00:28:00.000 Yes.
00:28:01.000 And that's what happened.
00:28:02.000 That happened all across America.
00:28:05.000 What percentage of polio do you think is asymptomatic?
00:28:08.000 I have no idea.
00:28:11.000 Take a guess.
00:28:14.000 Asymptomatic?
00:28:14.000 Yeah, no symptoms at all.
00:28:16.000 What percent?
00:28:16.000 You got polio?
00:28:18.000 95 to 99.
00:28:20.000 Wow.
00:28:21.000 Yeah.
00:28:22.000 We'll look that up just so you know it's accurate.
00:28:24.000 That's the real number.
00:28:24.000 Wow.
00:28:26.000 That's the real number.
00:28:26.000 Yeah.
00:28:28.000 And so we don't know.
00:28:31.000 How much of what happened during the polio crisis was polio, which can certainly hurt people.
00:28:36.000 Certainly not good to get polio.
00:28:38.000 Certainly not good to get paralytic polio.
00:28:40.000 Certainly.
00:28:41.000 No one's saying that.
00:28:42.000 However, the DDT use was happening at the same time.
00:28:47.000 This is 70%, but I've seen it listed as 95% recently.
00:28:53.000 So I don't know why it's not interesting.
00:28:55.000 It's not like 70% isn't interesting.
00:28:57.000 No, it's certainly.
00:28:58.000 So this is like no symptoms at all.
00:29:02.000 70% of the people get no symptoms.
00:29:03.000 Now, I had read that it was 95 to 99%.
00:29:06.000 I'm interested.
00:29:07.000 Put it into a different search engine and see if there's other.
00:29:09.000 Is this maybe the worst thing that.
00:29:11.000 So, when you talk about the COVID 19.
00:29:13.000 Hold on.
00:29:13.000 This is why it is.
00:29:14.000 This is why it's.
00:29:15.000 I'm sorry.
00:29:15.000 Put it back up.
00:29:16.000 I explained it.
00:29:18.000 So, 70% no symptoms whatsoever.
00:29:21.000 Approximately 25% mild symptoms, such as fever, headache, or sore throat.
00:29:26.000 I've got a sore throat.
00:29:26.000 All right.
00:29:27.000 It's not polio.
00:29:28.000 It's not developing paralysis.
00:29:30.000 It's not the same as being asymptomatic.
00:29:32.000 So, you have mild symptoms for 25% of the people.
00:29:36.000 And zero symptoms for 70% of the people.
00:29:40.000 Yeah, I mean, it's still a terrible disease, but even you look at that and you go.
00:29:43.000 Terrible disease.
00:29:44.000 However, so is spraying DDT ubiquitously in neighborhoods. 0.99
00:29:50.000 That's fucking terrible, too. 0.98
00:29:52.000 And this is the dirty secret about the whole polio crisis. 0.99
00:29:55.000 It's not that polio is good to get, no big deal.
00:29:58.000 Go get polio.
00:29:59.000 Don't get polio. 1.00
00:29:59.000 Fuck that. 1.00
00:30:00.000 Polio is bad. 1.00
00:30:01.000 However, they were spraying DDT everywhere and it gives you the same fucking symptoms, and the two things stopped. 0.99
00:30:09.000 When they stop spraying DDT everywhere. 0.95
00:30:11.000 Dr. Suzanne Humphreys, she's a guest on the show.
00:30:14.000 I just want to tell people that are listening there's a great book called Dissolving Illusions.
00:30:18.000 And if you just counter check all the things that she put in that book, you can read it all online, you'll find out she's telling the truth. 0.96
00:30:26.000 And it's indicative of the same shit that we just went through with the COVID epidemic. 0.85
00:30:32.000 It's indicative of there's a ton of different stories of what we think are good pharmaceutical drug solutions for a problem that's happening that turn out to be horrendous. 0.97
00:30:43.000 For people and give them terrible side effects, and you see all these people that are suing, and you find the pharmaceutical drug companies can make money off of it even though it was killing people.
00:30:54.000 Like, there's a Vioxx example in America.
00:30:57.000 It was an anti inflammatory medication, and they were giving it to people.
00:31:00.000 50,000 plus people died.
00:31:02.000 They got strokes.
00:31:03.000 They knew that people were going to get strokes before they released it, but they did it because they knew they could make money off of it.
00:31:09.000 And this is just this continual pattern that we can see throughout history.
00:31:14.000 We want to believe in these institutions, but oftentimes, These institutions are corrupted by money.
00:31:19.000 And when we find out that they're corrupted by money, it's too late.
00:31:22.000 They've already poisoned you or they've already given you some drugs.
00:31:25.000 Here's a strange thing.
00:31:26.000 I've been traveling around Canada, America on tour.
00:31:29.000 I'm kind of always on the road.
00:31:30.000 You notice things, right?
00:31:32.000 So you notice like the fentanyl thing happens in North America.
00:31:35.000 But it does not happen in Europe.
00:31:36.000 What's going on there?
00:31:38.000 The Sackler family.
00:31:38.000 Do you know the whole story?
00:31:40.000 Well, I remember the kind of controversy about people giving out the idea that you should never be in pain was kind of promoted.
00:31:49.000 Unacceptable, so you need to be no pain at all.
00:31:54.000 So, pushing the idea of those painkillers, which were opiates.
00:31:57.000 Well, yes, not just that, but also saying that they're non addictive, and then also promoting this idea that you're just kind of on them all the time and everything's fine.
00:32:06.000 And that's what you need.
00:32:09.000 Just be on them all the time and you're going to be fine.
00:32:11.000 And they got doctors to go along with this, they got doctors to subscribe to these ideas and promote them.
00:32:17.000 But the fentanyl, this synthetic.
00:32:18.000 Yeah, but the idea, how is that happening?
00:32:22.000 Only in North America.
00:32:23.000 Well, because we're next to Mexico.
00:32:25.000 We're connected to Mexico, and that's where it's coming in. 0.86
00:32:28.000 And China's bringing in the precursors.
00:32:29.000 So China ships the precursors to Mexico.
00:32:31.000 The cartel makes the fentanyl.
00:32:32.000 They sneak it across the border.
00:32:34.000 And that has been going on because there's an opioid crisis in America.
00:32:37.000 Mariana Vanzeller, do you know who she is?
00:32:40.000 No.
00:32:41.000 I mean, like a real courageous woman.
00:32:41.000 Brilliant reporter.
00:32:44.000 Boots on the ground journalism.
00:32:46.000 Went to Colombia and was with people while they were making cocaine and walked with them through the jungle as they packed it out. 0.71
00:32:54.000 She goes to Crazy places where she can get killed all the time.
00:32:59.000 And she started out, well, I became introduced to her from a piece she did called the Oxycontin Express.
00:33:05.000 And the Oxycontin Express, it was all about Florida.
00:33:09.000 And Florida had these pain management centers.
00:33:11.000 And say if you hurt your back, you go to a pain, oh, I'm in pain.
00:33:16.000 Well, you should go to the pain center.
00:33:17.000 If you don't know anything about how corrupt the medical system is, you would go, oh, that's the thing you go to for pain.
00:33:23.000 They're pain experts.
00:33:24.000 Fine.
00:33:24.000 They probably tell me what to do.
00:33:26.000 You go there, they only prescribe Oxycontin.
00:33:28.000 So there's a pharmacy connected to the pain management center.
00:33:32.000 You go to the pain management center, what's wrong, Jimmy?
00:33:34.000 Your back hurts?
00:33:35.000 I gotcha.
00:33:36.000 You go right next door, right next door, and all they sell is Oxycontin and no database.
00:33:41.000 So you leave that pain management center and you go to another pain management center a mile away, and then you go to another pain center, and they're all over Florida.
00:33:49.000 And so people would go and fill their trunks up with Oxycontin and then drive up through Kentucky and Ohio, and that's the Oxycontin Express.
00:33:58.000 And that made addicts like, Traceable destruction of communities all throughout the land.
00:34:04.000 And this was all because of corrupt politics.
00:34:07.000 It was all because of corrupt pharmaceutical representatives.
00:34:10.000 It was because of corrupt doctors that everybody turned a blind eye to make a ton of money.
00:34:17.000 And most importantly, the Sackler family.
00:34:18.000 This one family made billions and billions of dollars promoting this idea that you should be on pills all the time.
00:34:27.000 Yeah, it's a horror show.
00:34:29.000 They're not in jail.
00:34:31.000 They're not in jail.
00:34:31.000 Like it's a horror show out there.
00:34:33.000 Like there's certain cities that just seem to be so.
00:34:35.000 Hard hit by this.
00:34:37.000 Like the middle of the town is like an interactive walking dead experience.
00:34:41.000 It's like just people bent double on this drug, and you go, and no one seems to be helping.
00:34:47.000 There doesn't seem to be any help for these people.
00:34:50.000 It is really good at getting you.
00:34:53.000 It gets disciplined people, it gets people that have a work ethic and a good family.
00:34:53.000 It's really good.
00:35:01.000 Remember when crystal meth kind of first happened?
00:35:04.000 Because that, again, only happened in America, didn't happen in Europe.
00:35:07.000 Yeah.
00:35:07.000 Like, I'm not saying we don't have a problem with drugs in Europe, but it's not to the same extent.
00:35:11.000 To the same extent.
00:35:13.000 And the idea, and remember that poster?
00:35:15.000 There used to be a poster of her, like, she was a good looking girl, and then, and over the course of like six years or 10 years, she became kind of, you know.
00:35:22.000 Attainable. 0.87
00:35:23.000 Like, ashen faced and sunken and whatever, yeah. 1.00
00:35:28.000 You gotta lower her standards if you wanted to go on a date with you. 1.00
00:35:32.000 Get her on meth.
00:35:32.000 But that was like 10 years.
00:35:34.000 It seems to take people out in just a matter of weeks now.
00:35:37.000 Well, fentanyl and meth are very different things.
00:35:40.000 So, meth is an amphetamine, obviously, and amphetamines.
00:35:44.000 There are a ton of people in this country right now who are addicted to amphetamines legally.
00:35:50.000 It's called Adderall.
00:35:52.000 Okay, and you can make up all your reasons why people need it.
00:35:56.000 I don't have any energy.
00:35:58.000 I have ADHD.
00:35:59.000 I can't concentrate. 1.00
00:36:00.000 They will fucking give it to you. 0.99
00:36:03.000 They will give it to you pretty easy. 1.00
00:36:05.000 You just complain a bunch of times, come in with a lot of brain fog.
00:36:09.000 It'd be so easy to dupe your doctor into giving you Adderall.
00:36:13.000 100% it would be easy to do.
00:36:15.000 And it's legal for them to do.
00:36:17.000 And what is it, basically? 0.99
00:36:18.000 It's fucking speed. 0.99
00:36:18.000 What's the street? 0.99
00:36:20.000 Oh, yeah, I remember that, yeah. 1.00
00:36:21.000 Well, you know, she was a rough 28.
00:36:25.000 Right? 1.00
00:36:25.000 She looks like a 28 bare knuckle boxer. 1.00
00:36:28.000 Like one of them bare knuckle boxer chicks with scars all over their face. 1.00
00:36:31.000 She looks like she had a hard life. 0.97
00:36:33.000 Yeah, 33, she's pretty attainable.
00:36:35.000 I think I could, yeah.
00:36:36.000 You could have got her 33.
00:36:37.000 Yeah, that's attainable, yeah.
00:36:39.000 There's always going to be addictions that you can avoid, right?
00:36:46.000 Like a great one is.
00:36:48.000 Gambling.
00:36:49.000 It's very controversial in America.
00:36:51.000 Like, should gambling be legal?
00:36:53.000 Right.
00:36:54.000 I'm a guy who's been to Vegas a million times.
00:36:57.000 I'm a guy who is.
00:36:59.000 I work for the UFC.
00:37:01.000 I do comedy shows in Vegas.
00:37:02.000 I'm always.
00:37:03.000 I like the idea of going there. 1.00
00:37:05.000 Don't blow all your money, stupid. 1.00
00:37:07.000 It's like, at what point in time do we take responsibility for. 1.00
00:37:11.000 If you don't have any money, don't gamble it?
00:37:13.000 Well, I think it's that thing with.
00:37:14.000 I think young men.
00:37:15.000 I mean, I've got a bit on this, like a.
00:37:18.000 Not a joke, but like an idea on this.
00:37:20.000 I'm like, you know, young men.
00:37:23.000 In crisis, I'm like, I'm pro gang, pro um, pro gang, pro gambling, and uh, pro drinking.
00:37:31.000 Like, I think you know, that thing of like gambling is not sports gambling, not gambling on something to give you a cheap little dopamine hit whenever you need it, like that thing of like the interval reward system, gatekeeped gambling.
00:37:44.000 No, no, the idea of gambling on yourself, the idea of like the big gamble in life.
00:37:48.000 If you take a big gamble, then you don't need those little gambles, right?
00:37:51.000 We got very lucky, we got into comedy, so it's like it's a gamble, I'm going to try this line.
00:37:55.000 It's like we get the dopamine.
00:37:57.000 There's good ways to get it and bad ways to get it.
00:38:00.000 So, encouraging the good ways.
00:38:01.000 Human nature is fixed and flawed, right?
00:38:03.000 Young men are going to want dopamine and risk.
00:38:06.000 Yes.
00:38:07.000 But how do we sort of point them towards something that's useful?
00:38:09.000 So, my thing was like gangs, terrible.
00:38:12.000 Gangs shoot each other and deal drugs, but not all of them.
00:38:16.000 A lot of gangs are just young men together.
00:38:18.000 And the idea of like drinking, as a, like I've set up youth clubs all around Great Britain, right?
00:38:23.000 And there's pool tables and there's jukeboxes and music and there's booze.
00:38:27.000 Social places.
00:38:28.000 No, they're called pubs.
00:38:29.000 Yes.
00:38:29.000 And that's where I think young men, where should they be?
00:38:32.000 Together.
00:38:32.000 Yes.
00:38:33.000 They check each other very well.
00:38:34.000 But the idea that they should be together, the drinking age should reflect reality rather than a wish.
00:38:41.000 Like it's 21 in America.
00:38:43.000 That's insane. 1.00
00:38:44.000 16 year olds drink. 0.87
00:38:46.000 I don't think they should be allowed to drink alone.
00:38:50.000 It should be a social thing that we go as humans, we go, okay, where do you learn to get on socially with other people?
00:38:55.000 It's not the school.
00:38:56.000 Right.
00:38:57.000 It can be a bar, but the bar can have a football team.
00:39:00.000 And a baseball team, and it can be a place where you learn how to interact with other people.
00:39:05.000 We should also explain to them that it does affect your brain development and you should be very careful about getting drunk or high when you're young.
00:39:13.000 Don't do it a lot.
00:39:14.000 It's bad for you.
00:39:15.000 I was going to flesh out my point about gambling.
00:39:18.000 I have this opinion about gambling don't gamble if you can't afford to lose.
00:39:22.000 And if you've got a problem, stop gambling.
00:39:24.000 But I have seen it.
00:39:26.000 The problem is, I've seen the grip of it.
00:39:29.000 I've seen it grab people.
00:39:30.000 I've seen people.
00:39:31.000 Do you ever see Uncut Gems, that Adam Sandler movie?
00:39:34.000 No, that was like anxiety.
00:39:37.000 Yes.
00:39:38.000 In celluloid form.
00:39:40.000 Genius film.
00:39:40.000 It's so good.
00:39:41.000 He's such a great actor.
00:39:41.000 It's great.
00:39:42.000 He's amazing.
00:39:43.000 And he plays that gambling addict so well.
00:39:46.000 I, when I was between the ages of like 23 to 27, I spent all my time at pool halls.
00:39:52.000 I was addicted to playing pool.
00:39:53.000 I played in tournaments, played constantly.
00:39:55.000 I was around gambling addicts 24 hours a day.
00:39:57.000 So this is the hustler, this is color of money.
00:40:00.000 So was the real thing?
00:40:00.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:02.000 Was it the real thing?
00:40:03.000 Money.
00:40:03.000 Was it everything for money?
00:40:05.000 Everything for money.
00:40:06.000 So you're playing for money all the time.
00:40:07.000 It's just.
00:40:07.000 It's not fun.
00:40:08.000 Well, no.
00:40:08.000 People played for fun.
00:40:10.000 People like me who suck, but the really, really good players, they always played for money. 0.99
00:40:15.000 They only played for money. 1.00
00:40:16.000 They practiced and then they played for money.
00:40:18.000 And it was all about gambling.
00:40:20.000 It was all about action.
00:40:21.000 Everybody was in action.
00:40:22.000 You would go to the pool hall, it was gambling all the time.
00:40:27.000 It was gambling on sports, it was off track betting before they got there.
00:40:31.000 They would go to off track betting and bet on the races.
00:40:34.000 And then they would come and complain about the races that they lost.
00:40:37.000 And then they would get into card games until someone showed up that wanted action.
00:40:41.000 And someone would show up and they wanted to bet, and then people would be betting on the sidelines.
00:40:45.000 If you and Jamie were playing, I put my money on you.
00:40:47.000 Let's go.
00:40:48.000 Come on.
00:40:48.000 And now you're sweating it.
00:40:49.000 You got a sweat bet going on.
00:40:51.000 And somebody wants to get in on it.
00:40:52.000 You know, I want two games on the wire.
00:40:55.000 Okay, you got two.
00:40:55.000 So he might lose, but I might still win because he's got two games on the wire.
00:41:00.000 So there's all these like crazy gambles that are going on all the time.
00:41:04.000 24 hours of the day.
00:41:05.000 So, how did you not get sucked into that?
00:41:07.000 Because you were very into it.
00:41:08.000 I mean, you're like quite an obsessive guy, but like.
00:41:12.000 When you did mixed martial arts, you're all in.
00:41:16.000 When you do comedy, you're all in.
00:41:17.000 Like, you're all into things.
00:41:19.000 And yet, somehow, gambling didn't capture you.
00:41:21.000 Because I saw what it was.
00:41:23.000 I saw this is a dopamine roller coaster.
00:41:28.000 And you're going to be here if I come back 30 years from now.
00:41:31.000 And you won't have moved. 0.99
00:41:32.000 You're going to be doing the same goddamn thing. 0.98
00:41:34.000 And there was this guy, my friend Tommy. 0.99
00:41:36.000 I have a really good friend who has been my friend for 34 years.
00:41:41.000 And I met Tommy when he was like 19 years old.
00:41:45.000 I was in my 20s.
00:41:46.000 And when I met Tommy, he was the best pool player in Connecticut.
00:41:51.000 It's like a legitimate world class potential pool player, like a big time gambler.
00:41:56.000 He'd gamble for thousands and thousands of dollars.
00:41:59.000 I'd see him all the time.
00:42:00.000 And he was one of the best players in the Northeast, which is one of the strongest pool areas in the country at a young age.
00:42:08.000 He was playing this guy named Neptune Joe Frady.
00:42:11.000 Neptune Joe Frady was.
00:42:12.000 It's a great name, isn't it?
00:42:13.000 Bro.
00:42:14.000 Neptune Joe Frady never stopped smoking cigarettes.
00:42:18.000 And he would, when he was holding his cue, he'd put the cigarette in between the fingers of his cue like this.
00:42:24.000 So while he smoked.
00:42:25.000 You know, that was the thing with Minnesota Fats in The Hustler.
00:42:28.000 Did he do that?
00:42:29.000 He smoked the cigarette in that.
00:42:31.000 Weirdly, in that, yeah.
00:42:32.000 That was a comic, wasn't it?
00:42:34.000 In his hand while he was shooting?
00:42:35.000 I think he laid it on the table.
00:42:37.000 Oh, no, maybe laid it on that.
00:42:38.000 But I remember he smoked the cigarette and threw that.
00:42:40.000 I always remember kind of Minnesota Fats because he was a comic.
00:42:43.000 I only ever knew him from that movie.
00:42:44.000 Jackie Leese, you mean?
00:42:45.000 Yes.
00:42:46.000 Yes.
00:42:46.000 Jackie Leese.
00:42:47.000 But I never knew he was comedy.
00:42:48.000 I'd never seen him in anything else.
00:42:50.000 I just seen him in that. 0.85
00:42:51.000 And they went, oh, that guy was a.
00:42:52.000 Because I didn't have any of the reference to the thing, but just like that movie.
00:42:56.000 So this guy, Neptune Joe Frady, was one of the best players in the world and one of the best players in the East Coast for sure.
00:43:03.000 And Tommy was playing this guy, and they were grinding it out.
00:43:07.000 And he couldn't beat this guy, didn't have $10 to his name.
00:43:10.000 He's like, I can barely beat this guy.
00:43:13.000 And this guy's completely broke.
00:43:15.000 And he's one of the best pool players in the world.
00:43:17.000 And, like, this is where it leads you.
00:43:19.000 It leads you to this, where it just, you're not going anywhere.
00:43:22.000 You're stuck.
00:43:23.000 Right.
00:43:23.000 You're stuck doing this thing that doesn't pay any money.
00:43:26.000 How lucky did we get, right?
00:43:28.000 My whole thing is like gratitude, right?
00:43:29.000 So when I got into comedy in the UK around 2000, right?
00:43:33.000 It was.
00:43:34.000 It was field hockey.
00:43:36.000 It was darts.
00:43:37.000 It was lacrosse.
00:43:37.000 It was a minority sport.
00:43:39.000 And now it's premiership football, right? 1.00
00:43:42.000 How lucky did I get to ride that wave in that time?
00:43:46.000 I was just interested in this thing that wasn't particularly popular at the time.
00:43:49.000 And it just became something huge.
00:43:52.000 But people play arenas now.
00:43:54.000 It's crazy.
00:43:55.000 And with pool, pool could have become the thing.
00:43:59.000 But it didn't.
00:44:00.000 You backed the right horse.
00:44:01.000 You got so lucky.
00:44:02.000 Like MMA didn't even exist when you were into it.
00:44:05.000 Didn't exist like martial arts was a thing, but MMA hadn't even really been formed.
00:44:10.000 It's the luck of being there in that well, then podcasting, well, podcasting like the idea of just going, I'm just gonna do my own thing.
00:44:18.000 And the thing that we were doing it when no one was watching, so we were doing it, it would get like a thousand viewers, two thousand viewers, and now nobody watches it.
00:44:26.000 Crazy things move up, but the idea of like that, you even consider that?
00:44:30.000 Yeah, oh, I think about it all the time.
00:44:32.000 I do a practice, I just I'm constantly like, I think, uh, that thing gratitude is the mother of all virtues.
00:44:37.000 Like you're constantly reminding yourself, like, of like, we live now, we do this, we get to do this, like finding the thing that you could be excited about.
00:44:46.000 You spoke to Chris Williamson about this recently.
00:44:48.000 He's got this really lovely take on discipline, motivation, and obsession.
00:44:54.000 Like the idea, like, discipline is you could force yourself to do the thing.
00:44:59.000 And that'll get you two weeks into January doing sit ups and no further.
00:45:03.000 And then there's motivation I want to do this thing, I want to do it.
00:45:06.000 And then there's obsession I can't not do this thing.
00:45:10.000 And we're very lucky in life that we found obsessions.
00:45:13.000 Things that it doesn't, you know, we're just like, I would do it if there's no money in it, it doesn't matter.
00:45:17.000 I'm just, I'm into it.
00:45:18.000 Yes.
00:45:20.000 The issue with pool, your story about pool there, is that it was all about money.
00:45:24.000 It wasn't about the joy of the game, the beauty of that game.
00:45:28.000 Like playing that well is.
00:45:30.000 There's money in tournaments now, a lot more money than there was back when I was playing eight hours a day.
00:45:36.000 So there's guys at the top of the heap that can make a very good living playing pool, but only a few, only a handful, maybe 10.
00:45:43.000 10 guys, maybe 20 worldwide that are making.
00:45:47.000 Well, not worldwide because China's doing some crazy things.
00:45:51.000 China is paying like half a million dollars for the winners of tournaments now.
00:45:56.000 They're putting on these different pool tournaments in China.
00:46:00.000 They actually have a different table though, and it's kind of really complicated.
00:46:04.000 And when players try to switch over, it's a real problem.
00:46:07.000 It's called.
00:46:08.000 What's the difference in the table?
00:46:10.000 Their corner pockets and their side pockets are curved like a snooker table's.
00:46:15.000 Right.
00:46:16.000 So the thing about pool is it's all about, it looks like a ball goes into the hole, you're hitting the ball with a stick.
00:46:26.000 But what it really is is geometry.
00:46:28.000 And you are breaking the table down into sections where you want a ball to be and how you're going to move and what angle you have to approach this ball on so that as you knock it in, you're going this way to get to the other.
00:46:42.000 As soon as you change any of the dimensions to the table, all the geometry changes.
00:46:47.000 And one of the things that changes is the shape of the pockets.
00:46:50.000 So the shape of the pockets don't accept a ball down the rail.
00:46:56.000 If there's a hole right here and there's a ball right here, I have to really gently roll that ball in.
00:47:04.000 I can't fire it in.
00:47:05.000 But in a pool table, I can fire it in with follow and move that ball around the table and get to my next shot. 1.00
00:47:11.000 With a Chinese table, I can't do that. 1.00
00:47:14.000 It requires the most insane pinpoint accuracy.
00:47:19.000 It's a tiny little pocket with a curved edge on each side.
00:47:23.000 But those guys are paying a half a million dollars for a more boring game.
00:47:27.000 Unfortunately, because it's just like everybody misses all the time.
00:47:30.000 People miss ball in hand.
00:47:32.000 It's like it's a really brutal game.
00:47:34.000 Okay.
00:47:34.000 Right.
00:47:35.000 Yeah, weird.
00:47:36.000 It's weird because they don't run out as much.
00:47:38.000 So, like, what's exciting about pool is someone breaks, they have a shot on the one ball, and they run the rack.
00:47:43.000 And then everyone's like, ah.
00:47:44.000 Or there's a battle back and forth between two guys and they're playing safeties.
00:47:48.000 But when you have a pocket where a table where it's like 30% harder to make a ball, that's what it looks like.
00:47:55.000 See how it's curved like that?
00:47:56.000 Okay.
00:47:56.000 Oh, yeah.
00:47:57.000 So, could you show a larger image of the table?
00:47:59.000 I was looking around for pictures.
00:48:00.000 The problem is, just so you can see it from, yeah, that second picture that you just had.
00:48:05.000 That's it.
00:48:06.000 So that's what they look like.
00:48:06.000 Okay.
00:48:07.000 They look like, roll in there.
00:48:09.000 It looks like a snooker table in terms of the way it's curved on the corners.
00:48:13.000 Now, make that a little larger, please.
00:48:15.000 So if I'm shooting a ball, like, say, in that upper left-hand corner, dude, my margin of error is like this on each side, like millimeters on each side. 0.99
00:48:27.000 So it just makes for a brutal, pokey, Fucking scared ass game. 0.99
00:48:32.000 Nobody's going to break. 0.99
00:48:33.000 They're shoving around the table. 0.97
00:48:35.000 No one's going to smooth stroke any balls and get out. 0.98
00:48:38.000 It's just too hard.
00:48:39.000 That's a regular pool table.
00:48:41.000 See, on a regular pool table, you see everything has these angles where as you're going, like.
00:48:49.000 I'm trying to find.
00:48:50.000 Just show me a regular pool table.
00:48:51.000 I don't know what.
00:48:52.000 That's a regular pool table right there.
00:48:54.000 The reason why you can tell is if you see the corner pockets, this is a diamond.
00:48:58.000 They're the best tables.
00:48:59.000 If you see the corner pocket, see how there's this black piece of leather and that angle.
00:49:04.000 Yeah, right where to the left of Jamie's cursor, that angle's straight.
00:49:08.000 On a Chinese table, that's rounded. 0.97
00:49:10.000 And so you can't fire a ball in there. 1.00
00:49:12.000 It's not going to go in.
00:49:13.000 And I might even, by fire a ball in, I mean hit it with a firm stroke.
00:49:19.000 It changes the game.
00:49:19.000 Right.
00:49:20.000 But they're paying half a million dollars.
00:49:23.000 So people are going to China to play in these tournaments now because they're gigantic because China's really into billiards.
00:49:28.000 Like, really, really into billiards.
00:49:31.000 And some of the best players in the world are coming out of there, particularly out of Taiwan, out of Chinese Taipei.
00:49:36.000 Some of the best players on earth come from there.
00:49:39.000 They're insanely good.
00:49:41.000 They have these schools.
00:49:42.000 They practice eight hours a day.
00:49:44.000 You still play?
00:49:44.000 Regiments.
00:49:45.000 Oh, yeah.
00:49:45.000 Yeah.
00:49:46.000 I'm an addict.
00:49:46.000 Yeah.
00:49:48.000 But all of those things, right?
00:49:49.000 Like, so.
00:49:50.000 Martial arts.
00:49:51.000 Martial arts.
00:49:51.000 Comedy.
00:49:52.000 Martial arts.
00:49:52.000 You still, I mean, you train, but.
00:49:54.000 Yeah.
00:49:54.000 Well, I can't.
00:49:55.000 Obviously, I'm too old to compete.
00:49:57.000 But they should have a seniors.
00:49:58.000 Come on.
00:49:59.000 That's a good way to get hurt forever.
00:50:00.000 Yeah.
00:50:01.000 I think the seniors one has to be like the.
00:50:03.000 It has to be to the death, I think.
00:50:05.000 But I stopped competing for the same reason why I never really got into gambling at pool, because I realized where it's going.
00:50:11.000 There was no money in fighting when I was a kid.
00:50:13.000 I got offered $500 to go professional.
00:50:16.000 When I was an amateur kickboxer, I got offered $500.
00:50:19.000 And I thought about that for $500, I'm going to train for two months and maybe go out there and get my brains punched in.
00:50:27.000 And then for sure get brain damage because I was already suspecting that I was getting it.
00:50:32.000 For sure.
00:50:33.000 You got exactly the right amount.
00:50:34.000 That's what I say.
00:50:35.000 The sweet spot.
00:50:37.000 The sweet spot.
00:50:38.000 Yeah, we have enough. 1.00
00:50:39.000 Don't give a fuck. 1.00
00:50:40.000 Just a little chaos going on in there. 1.00
00:50:42.000 But.
00:50:42.000 Not to the point where I can't articulate myself.
00:50:45.000 It's interesting because you had that thing of like the next thing that you could do, the jumping off point.
00:50:49.000 So the discipline of martial arts, the pool, you could kind of see where that's going.
00:50:53.000 And then comedy came along kind of at the right time to kind of.
00:50:56.000 Because comedy feels like it's such an interesting thing to get into.
00:51:00.000 I want more people to kind of get into comedy.
00:51:02.000 I think that's the idea of the opposite of being a spectator is not being a professional.
00:51:09.000 The opposite of being a spectator is being a participant.
00:51:12.000 And I think comedy is such a wonderful thing to kind of.
00:51:16.000 Because you're writing down and ordering your thoughts, right?
00:51:21.000 And you sort of think about what you really think about something.
00:51:23.000 Like, what could you say that no one else could say?
00:51:25.000 And then you're learning how to communicate that with other people.
00:51:28.000 It's such a transferable skill.
00:51:30.000 Like, we should be teaching it in schools.
00:51:32.000 There should be, like, the drama class should have a comedy element.
00:51:35.000 Because it's such a useful skill in life to be able to.
00:51:39.000 It's just giving something your attention.
00:51:41.000 I'm going to think about this thing.
00:51:42.000 I'm going to think of a funny angle.
00:51:43.000 Well, that gives you a bit of perspective on life.
00:51:45.000 You're kind of stepping back and seeing it for what it is and kind of looking at it from different angles, trying to find something funny in this.
00:51:52.000 It's like a great sort of way to improve your disposition.
00:51:55.000 Yeah.
00:51:55.000 To try and see something funny, even in the terrible.
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00:52:32.000 Rated M. For mature.
00:52:34.000 Probably the most popular art form that's not documented and studied in terms of like having a structure to having to learn how to use it.
00:52:46.000 Well, that's why I wrote this book about, I wrote this book on jokes with two friends.
00:52:51.000 You know, this is like I wrote this thing with Amanda Baker and Abby Grant, this book on jokes, which is like, so it's in third, so it's like the taxonomy of jokes, like the descriptors of all the different joke types, not the function of the joke, but the type of the joke.
00:53:05.000 Right.
00:53:05.000 Because people talk about observational comedy.
00:53:07.000 That's like saying, Songs about girls is a genre.
00:53:11.000 No, it's like, how's this work?
00:53:12.000 Is this pullback reveal?
00:53:13.000 Is it a pun?
00:53:14.000 What kind of wordplay is this?
00:53:16.000 How's it work?
00:53:17.000 And then how to put together routines and then how to perform.
00:53:19.000 Because I think comedy can be taught.
00:53:21.000 I don't think it's an immutable characteristic.
00:53:23.000 I don't think it's something that you're born with.
00:53:26.000 I think you could be drawn to it.
00:53:29.000 And then the idea of having some kind of structure.
00:53:31.000 Because when you think about it, people often say comedy can't be taught.
00:53:34.000 Jerry Seinfeld said, You can't teach comedy.
00:53:36.000 I think he's one of the greats.
00:53:37.000 And I think Doug Stanhope said, Comedy courses are raging scams.
00:53:41.000 They're two of my favorites, right?
00:53:43.000 But they both had teachers.
00:53:45.000 They were both taught comedy.
00:53:47.000 But they had a home club and they had a mentor.
00:53:50.000 And, you know, guys that we know started on the door and they ended up the headliner.
00:53:54.000 Right.
00:53:54.000 Right.
00:53:55.000 So you go, yes.
00:53:56.000 Tony Hitchcliffe used to park cars and.
00:54:00.000 Now sells out Madison Square Garden.
00:54:02.000 And you go, and that's a dojo.
00:54:04.000 But not everyone has access to that dojo.
00:54:04.000 Yeah.
00:54:07.000 You know, it's the comedy cellar, it's the comedy store, it's the mothership.
00:54:11.000 It's like these clubs.
00:54:12.000 But there aren't enough of those clubs.
00:54:14.000 So, you want to have a book that writes it down and kind of makes it a bit of book learning as well.
00:54:18.000 Yes.
00:54:19.000 Because you go, well, music isn't made any less wonderful by having a formal structure.
00:54:26.000 So, like part of the inspiration to write the book.
00:54:27.000 So, it's Abby Grant and Amanda Baker, and they're really good friends of mine.
00:54:31.000 Are these the same people that you had working with people here?
00:54:33.000 That was the test.
00:54:35.000 They came to the mothership and taught the course for six weeks.
00:54:38.000 Amazing.
00:54:39.000 To Young Comics.
00:54:40.000 Thank you for that, by the way.
00:54:41.000 I think it's Grown Corn.
00:54:42.000 I think those guys are all doing fantastic.
00:54:45.000 Yes.
00:54:45.000 But the idea of kind of going, okay, we need to test this because I don't want to be a grifter.
00:54:49.000 I never want to sell something.
00:54:50.000 I don't want to sell a book that doesn't work.
00:54:52.000 So, the idea of going, well, you've got this structure that people can kind of get into and go, okay, well, I know what the work is now.
00:54:59.000 I know what it is without, like, we had to have immersive learning.
00:55:02.000 We just had to be surrounded by other funny people that were trying to do this crazy thing.
00:55:06.000 But if you can formalize it, you know the story of Amanda told me this story, right?
00:55:10.000 And it blew my head off, right?
00:55:11.000 So, about Gregorian chants.
00:55:14.000 You heard of Gregorian chants?
00:55:15.000 Okay.
00:55:15.000 I'll tell you why you've heard of Gregorian chants.
00:55:15.000 Yes.
00:55:18.000 Because Pope Gregory was the pope and he's traveling around and he says, everyone's singing the songs differently.
00:55:25.000 In around outside of the Vatican, they're all singing them differently in the other churches.
00:55:29.000 I don't like it.
00:55:30.000 I want them to be the same.
00:55:31.000 Write it down.
00:55:33.000 And this guy went, No, no, you can't write down music.
00:55:37.000 If music doesn't live within a human soul, then it's ethereal.
00:55:42.000 You can't write down music, it can't be done. 0.99
00:55:45.000 And Pope Gregory basically goes, I'm the fucking pope, write it down. 0.96
00:55:49.000 And so it takes him a couple of hundred years, but musical notation comes from that. 0.98
00:55:55.000 That's where musical notation comes from.
00:55:57.000 Then, 300 years later, you have Bach.
00:56:00.000 But you couldn't have had Bach without the musical notation.
00:56:04.000 You needed it to be a little bit formalized so that people could express themselves through it.
00:56:09.000 They had the system then.
00:56:11.000 And it doesn't make people the same, it doesn't make for more rigid music.
00:56:15.000 It means that you can do more with it.
00:56:17.000 Where you understand what you're working with.
00:56:19.000 Yeah.
00:56:20.000 You have an idea of kind of what you're doing.
00:56:21.000 That, like, it's not formulaic.
00:56:24.000 You've got to know the rules before you can break the rules.
00:56:26.000 I think what Doug's getting at with comedy courses, unfortunately, is true.
00:56:31.000 A lot of them are taught by people that are failed stand ups and never really made a career, and now that's a way to make money.
00:56:40.000 Versus, like, Ari Shafir was doing a thing for a while where whenever we would go into a town, like, say, if we would be in Phoenix, he would hold a free seminar for the local comedians on Sunday.
00:56:52.000 So on Sunday, he would sit with them and he would break down how to get a manager, how to get an agent, how to get into clubs.
00:57:00.000 And how to work on your act and how to go over your act.
00:57:02.000 What a great thing to do.
00:57:03.000 I mean, he's in London now.
00:57:05.000 He's a great guy.
00:57:05.000 I know he is.
00:57:06.000 I discouraged that activity.
00:57:07.000 I told him, stay in America.
00:57:09.000 But he has to be a wanderer. 0.99
00:57:12.000 He's a weirdo.
00:57:13.000 But the point is, he had this great service that he was giving to comics when he'd go to these towns and they would ask him about material how do you write?
00:57:21.000 How do you do this?
00:57:21.000 How do you do that?
00:57:22.000 And he would sit with them for like three hours for free.
00:57:23.000 Well, I think, I mean, for me, it's the writing thing is the reason to write the book.
00:57:27.000 Trying to throw the drawbridge down.
00:57:31.000 Trying to help people up and go, well, how do you actually do this?
00:57:35.000 Because there's a bit too much magical thinking in our business of like, oh, that guy's a genius.
00:57:38.000 Because you don't get to see the working.
00:57:40.000 You don't get to see the guys in the gym testing out stuff.
00:57:45.000 If I write 100 jokes and five of them work, no one ever says at the end of my show, well, what about the other 95 jokes?
00:57:51.000 What about the other ones?
00:57:52.000 They go, no, just obviously, it's like that thing of I don't write the show.
00:57:56.000 The audience decide that one works, that one doesn't, that one works, that one doesn't.
00:58:00.000 And then you're generating this thing, you're kind of building up slowly.
00:58:04.000 But what I was going to get at is I think what Stan Hope is not correct about is that even if you're doing a comedy course for someone who sucks at comedy, they've at least done comedy to the point where they understand what it's like to get on stage and tell jokes, and maybe some of them did fairly well, but at least you start doing it.
00:58:24.000 Okay, so one of the things about these comedy classes is they all have like a graduation day where they do their act, right?
00:58:30.000 That alone is a step.
00:58:33.000 But also, that thing of like there's a fancy term for it, I think.
00:58:37.000 Capitalist ontology that we do everything we look at has to be looked at through money, right?
00:58:42.000 Can you make money doing this or not?
00:58:43.000 Make how do I like people ask me how to like get asked about being, you know, young people that want to be musicians or want to be comedians?
00:58:50.000 I say, How do I do?
00:58:50.000 This?
00:58:51.000 How do I make money doing this?
00:58:52.000 You go, no, no, just do it.
00:58:54.000 Don't worry about making money.
00:58:54.000 Just do it.
00:58:55.000 If you get good, then maybe.
00:58:57.000 But the 10,000 hours will apply.
00:58:59.000 You will have to work so hard at this to get good.
00:59:02.000 But even if you just do it as a hobby, it's going to increase your enjoyment of this thing for the rest of your life.
00:59:08.000 Like, even if, like, I meet people that have done, oh, I did a little bit of comedy.
00:59:08.000 Yes.
00:59:12.000 I did like, you know, 10 gigs back in the 90s.
00:59:15.000 Yeah.
00:59:16.000 And they're so into comedy because they have an idea of what it is.
00:59:20.000 The funniest thing you've seen the last 10 years, I guarantee you, Is something you saw on your phone, like a meme that someone made, and you don't know who made it.
00:59:28.000 And I do.
00:59:30.000 It's a guy in Minnesota working in a call center, and he just thought of a funny thing, and he made it, and he put it out there.
00:59:36.000 And I want that guy in our industry.
00:59:39.000 I want him to at least have a shot.
00:59:40.000 Yes.
00:59:41.000 Have a way of doing.
00:59:43.000 Like the thing I love about Kill Tony, I mean, Tony has inadvertently helped more people, made more careers, right?
00:59:50.000 Than anyone since Johnny Carson.
00:59:52.000 It's phenomenal.
00:59:53.000 And he's bringing up these guys.
00:59:54.000 And like, Ari Matti is a legit.
00:59:56.000 I was in Helsinki two weeks ago doing shows.
01:00:00.000 I'm happy to mention on stage someone asked me about Ari Matti.
01:00:02.000 Oh, yeah, I saw Ari last week.
01:00:05.000 Like, he was like, oh, who cares about you? 0.97
01:00:07.000 You know Ari Matti.
01:00:08.000 It's such a big deal because obviously Talon is across the water.
01:00:11.000 He's a force of nature.
01:00:11.000 He's like.
01:00:12.000 But he's wonderful, right?
01:00:13.000 You go, like, the idea of going, more people should be in this.
01:00:19.000 The thing about Kill Tony as well, it's a minute.
01:00:21.000 A minute's not that long.
01:00:22.000 I know a lot of people that've got.
01:00:24.000 And there's no.
01:00:25.000 That could put together a minute, but there's no greatest in comedy.
01:00:28.000 There's no such thing as the greatest of all time in comedy because it's about being yourself, being authentic.
01:00:33.000 It's the opposite of what artificial intelligence is, right?
01:00:38.000 It's a right brain thing.
01:00:39.000 It's like people are very impressed by AI because we've got so used to other people.
01:00:45.000 If AI was all there was and you were the only person and other people came along, you'd be so blown away by other people.
01:00:51.000 Like, what could people say that's like, it's their unique viewpoint on something?
01:00:55.000 You know, the way comics kind of, they kind of, even if you're a one liner guy like me, comics kind of leak.
01:01:02.000 You can kind of tell who someone is on stage.
01:01:05.000 It's beautiful.
01:01:05.000 Right.
01:01:06.000 It's like, it's friendship at scale.
01:01:08.000 Yes.
01:01:09.000 Podcasts are similar to that, too.
01:01:11.000 Maybe even more so because you're having these long, long conversations about a variety of different things.
01:01:16.000 But I think there's a lot of untapped talent out there that could be comics and instead will live these boring lives when they've got this wasted mind.
01:01:26.000 One of the funniest people I ever met was a guy I worked for.
01:01:29.000 I worked for a private investigator for a while.
01:01:31.000 You talked about this, yeah.
01:01:32.000 One of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.
01:01:34.000 Far funnier than me, especially at the time.
01:01:36.000 I was only 21, and he was a former alcoholic who needed someone to drive his car, so he put out an ad for private investigator's assistant.
01:01:47.000 Really, what it was is someone with a valid driver's license.
01:01:49.000 You know what this sounds like?
01:01:50.000 This sounds like the start of a great kind of Rockford Files start type show.
01:01:55.000 Oh, it was.
01:01:56.000 It really was.
01:01:57.000 I mean, it was really fun.
01:01:59.000 I was dating this girl at the time, and I'd come over to her place after I was done working, just crying, laughing.
01:02:04.000 And I was saying, I'll never be as funny as this guy.
01:02:07.000 This guy's so funny. 0.96
01:02:08.000 And I would tell her the crazy shit we had to do because we were catching people with like insurance fraud. 0.97
01:02:15.000 And one guy, he had this beautiful girlfriend, and he was this me, like, measly little guy. 0.99
01:02:22.000 And he had this beautiful girlfriend, and she was getting gorilla fucked by this bodybuilder guy. 0.98
01:02:26.000 And this dude knew about it, so he wanted him to take pictures and catch him in the act. 0.97
01:02:31.000 And, uh, After he got the photos, he did everything he asked him to do.
01:02:37.000 The guy wanted him to still take more pictures. 0.99
01:02:39.000 They're like, hey, the fuck is. 0.99
01:02:41.000 What are we doing? 1.00
01:02:41.000 What are you doing? 1.00
01:02:42.000 I'm not going to.
01:02:45.000 You're not going to the right angles. 0.99
01:02:46.000 You need some porn dealer. 1.00
01:02:48.000 Like, you gotta fucking. 1.00
01:02:50.000 My job's done. 1.00
01:02:52.000 Here's pictures of this giant, muscular man talking to your girlfriend.
01:02:55.000 This is episode one.
01:02:56.000 This is a show.
01:02:57.000 It's a great idea for a show.
01:02:59.000 So fun.
01:03:00.000 But the idea of like.
01:03:01.000 Such a fun guy.
01:03:02.000 You meet these guys that are so funny in life and you want them to have an outlet, the outlet that we have.
01:03:07.000 And you go, and there's kind of more clubs.
01:03:09.000 So it's like, Kill Tony's a thing, right?
01:03:11.000 That's a thing people can do.
01:03:12.000 There's your club, there's the seller, there's the store, there's other places that are doing this around America, but you want kind of more of it in the world.
01:03:20.000 You want more of this.
01:03:20.000 Well, the most important thing is community.
01:03:22.000 Right.
01:03:22.000 And one of the things we really foster at the mothership is a community.
01:03:26.000 Everybody knows that whether you're a door guy or whether you're someone who's like doing opening spots or whether you're someone who's headlining, we're all doing the same thing.
01:03:36.000 We're all the same thing.
01:03:37.000 It's just we're on different stages of this journey.
01:03:41.000 You're in your beginning stage.
01:03:42.000 I'm in my 30 plus year stage, but I'll help you and you'll help other people too.
01:03:47.000 We'll help each other.
01:03:48.000 And it's important to know that we do not exist in a vacuum.
01:03:52.000 And comedy is one of the only art forms that you cannot create in a vacuum.
01:03:57.000 You need not just the audience, you need other comics. 0.58
01:03:59.000 You're never going to find the best comic in the world in some fucking small town where no one knows about him and some tiny little bar that he does comedy at. 0.87
01:04:07.000 That's never going to happen. 0.96
01:04:08.000 No, it's really interesting.
01:04:08.000 It's always, you have to be either on the road with great comics that you travel with or you have to be in a club in your local town where you practice with great comics.
01:04:18.000 You see each other, we feed off of each other, we inspire each other, we're always having fun.
01:04:24.000 There's a community, it's very important.
01:04:27.000 And we fostered that at the comedy store, and now we're fostering it in Austin.
01:04:31.000 It's a really important part of it.
01:04:34.000 It's not fun.
01:04:35.000 I often think about that thing of dispersed identity, it's very.
01:04:39.000 People think they're sort of sealed, hermetically sealed, and it's them and they're an individual.
01:04:45.000 And the more time you spend online, the more that illusion becomes real.
01:04:48.000 You're just kind of locked off from the world.
01:04:51.000 And actually, that connection of who you are with other people.
01:04:54.000 Why go out to a comedy show?
01:04:55.000 Why go to the mothership?
01:04:57.000 Why come and see one of my shows?
01:04:58.000 Why come and see me on tour?
01:04:59.000 Well, it's like.
01:05:00.000 There's an illusion that I'm the only one performing because I'm on stage.
01:05:03.000 But actually, being in an audience is performative.
01:05:06.000 Like, there's something about it.
01:05:07.000 So, it's obvious.
01:05:08.000 You're playing a role, you're sitting.
01:05:09.000 You're sitting still and you're just quiet and laughing.
01:05:09.000 Yeah.
01:05:13.000 Well, but that thing about going in my crowd, I mean, I have a lot of audience interaction.
01:05:18.000 So, there's a lot of people like asking weird and wonderful questions and kind of getting involved.
01:05:22.000 And sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's heartbreaking.
01:05:25.000 And it's like all human life is here.
01:05:27.000 It can be anything.
01:05:29.000 And it's really interesting to kind of hold that space for people because you go.
01:05:33.000 People are desperate to feel part of something.
01:05:35.000 Yes.
01:05:36.000 To kind of feel alive and feel, because you laugh with other people.
01:05:39.000 You don't really laugh on your own.
01:05:40.000 You don't laugh looking at stuff on your phone.
01:05:41.000 Right.
01:05:42.000 You laugh when it's like, when you're in the room with other people, it's a signal, it's a social thing.
01:05:46.000 Also, all the time that you're looking at a screen is pulling you away from the time you're with people.
01:05:51.000 So if, like, if human interaction was a recommended daily allowance of a vitamin, you know, like you have 1,000 milligrams of vitamin C every day, it's really good to stay healthy.
01:06:02.000 If human interaction was like that, You would look at the invention of people working from home, staring at screens all day, being on your phone all the time, being on your phone even when you're around other people, your actual time interacting with people radically dropped off.
01:06:21.000 And if that's a physical requirement to be a happy, healthy person, which I think it is, and I think it's built into us, I think one of the reasons why people get so sad when they're alone is because in the olden days, if they kicked you out of the tribe, you're going to die. 0.83
01:06:36.000 If you're not around other people all the time, you're not around the gatherers and you didn't succeed hunting or you don't have the right amount of spears to hold off the invaders, you're going to fucking get kicked out and you're going to be on your own and you're going to die. 0.97
01:06:36.000 Okay. 0.97
01:06:50.000 Well, here's the take, right?
01:06:51.000 So the idea of going, human beings, right?
01:06:55.000 Drop one human in the jungle, you fed the animals.
01:06:58.000 Drop 10 humans in the jungle, you've got the apex predator, right?
01:07:03.000 Our superpower is cooperation.
01:07:05.000 Yes.
01:07:06.000 And what's upstream of communication?
01:07:08.000 Play.
01:07:09.000 We learn to communicate.
01:07:11.000 Through play.
01:07:12.000 Yes.
01:07:12.000 Anything anyone cares about, I don't care who you are, talk to anyone, they care about play.
01:07:17.000 Now, it could be stand up comedy where we're playing on stage, playing a theater, playing a show.
01:07:21.000 Or it could be sports, right, where you're playing.
01:07:21.000 Yes.
01:07:24.000 Could be grappling where you're playing with someone but you've got very strict rules.
01:07:27.000 Yeah.
01:07:28.000 A relationship is play.
01:07:30.000 Sports, play.
01:07:32.000 Everything people are interested in is play.
01:07:34.000 We don't stop playing because we grow old.
01:07:36.000 We grow old because we stop playing.
01:07:39.000 The great thing about our lives is we play all the time.
01:07:42.000 I think we need more of that in our world.
01:07:44.000 We need more play, more like people get so serious.
01:07:46.000 I 100% agree.
01:07:48.000 You know, one of the great ways to learn martial arts is to be playful while you're learning it.
01:07:52.000 So it's one of the tenets of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
01:07:55.000 Keep it playful.
01:07:55.000 I know the Gracie guy.
01:07:58.000 They emphasize keeping training playful because when it's not playful, when it's life or death, which it kind of is, but when it's life or death and you're grappling with someone, you get tense.
01:08:07.000 And when you get tense, you don't take chances.
01:08:09.000 And when you don't take chances, you don't open up your game, so you don't learn.
01:08:13.000 So, you don't learn new ways to do things.
01:08:14.000 You just have to get comfortable with the idea of potentially losing and knowing that if you lose, you're going to have another chance to go again in just a few seconds.
01:08:22.000 And then you're going to go again with another person in just a few minutes.
01:08:24.000 So, just relax.
01:08:25.000 You're going to lose.
01:08:26.000 It's okay.
01:08:27.000 And you're going to win too.
01:08:28.000 And someone's going to beat you and you're going to beat other people.
01:08:31.000 But the only way to get good at this is to be playful with it and accept the fact that that's going to happen and just flow and learn.
01:08:38.000 And you're learning while you're playing because it's fun instead of being this horrific life and death experience that after it's over, you barely remember what happened.
01:08:47.000 But isn't that the thing with like even stuff like being a dad, right?
01:08:51.000 So the rough and tumble kind of play.
01:08:54.000 Sure.
01:08:54.000 Tickling and wrestling.
01:08:56.000 They do it, puppies do it. 0.66
01:08:57.000 But that thing, like, video games are no substitute for that.
01:09:00.000 Like, it's not, that's not the same kind of play.
01:09:02.000 You need that thing of like learning where you are, learning what boundaries are.
01:09:06.000 Like, when you play a game with someone else as well, like, they've got to win some of the time.
01:09:11.000 Like, it's that thing if I get heckled, like, yeah, you can put the heckler down or join in and play.
01:09:16.000 And sometimes they win.
01:09:17.000 Who cares?
01:09:17.000 It's fine.
01:09:18.000 Well, sometimes hecklers are the hangar lines.
01:09:21.000 Every now and then they got a banger that I got to go, ah!
01:09:24.000 Well, isn't that the thing, though, where sometimes someone heckles and it's like, it could be a drunk guy trying to interrupt the show.
01:09:29.000 That's a separate thing.
01:09:31.000 My crowd, like, they join in, they add value every single night.
01:09:35.000 Well, you do that fun thing where you allow them to ask questions and you talk to them.
01:09:39.000 But that's very, I mean, it's like they're so well behaved because you kind of go, right, get out there.
01:09:44.000 I'll do 20 minutes of just like bang, bang, bang, like three, four big laughs a minute and try and get them into, I suppose, the thing about the last bit of the book, that on jokes book, is about rhythm.
01:09:55.000 And about how comedy has a natural rhythm.
01:09:58.000 It's about 92 beats a minute.
01:10:00.000 It's like a comfortable walking pace.
01:10:02.000 Like when you walk with someone, you fall into rhythm with them, right?
01:10:06.000 And so there's a key word every two and a half seconds.
01:10:09.000 There's like a, and you want them to fall into rhythm.
01:10:12.000 And then you want to give them 20 minutes so that they just feel totally calm.
01:10:15.000 Like, oh, we know exactly why we've come out to the show, having a great time.
01:10:19.000 Oh, now it's Argo.
01:10:20.000 We get to join in, we get to play in.
01:10:22.000 And then you get back into it kind of seamlessly.
01:10:25.000 And like you ebb and flow between those two.
01:10:27.000 So you're putting together this thing where, It feels like we all did this.
01:10:31.000 We all had this experience.
01:10:32.000 Right, right.
01:10:32.000 We're all having fun together.
01:10:33.000 Yeah.
01:10:35.000 No, that's one of the more fun things about the bottom of the barrel show at the Mother Show.
01:10:38.000 Oh, yeah, that's fun.
01:10:39.000 That's the best show. 0.99
01:10:40.000 It's so silly. 0.98
01:10:41.000 Sometimes it's terrible. 0.88
01:10:42.000 Like, sometimes you got nothing, there's nothing in there.
01:10:44.000 And sometimes you get gems.
01:10:46.000 Like, I have three or four bits in my act right now that came out of premises that I pulled out of the barrel and had an idea just popped into my mind.
01:10:54.000 Do you find that weird thing of like going that state that you're in on stage?
01:10:58.000 You would never have thought of that sitting at your desk.
01:11:00.000 Right.
01:11:00.000 There's something about actually being up there on the stage in front of other people.
01:11:04.000 And there's something amazing about, I don't know what the number is.
01:11:06.000 Maybe it's 50, maybe it's 30 people.
01:11:09.000 In front of you, listening to you, that feels so natural.
01:11:13.000 Like that's a crowd.
01:11:14.000 I'm speaking to a crowd, and I could try a joke in front of 50 people at the club, and it will work in front of 15,000 people in an arena.
01:11:23.000 It's like, okay, that's going to work.
01:11:25.000 An audience like that.
01:11:26.000 There's also a thing about those little crowds, like the little boy room in the mothership that only seats 110 people.
01:11:33.000 When you're in a little crowd like that, there's no room for shenanigans or what Tom Segura likes to call dance moves.
01:11:41.000 Like, there's bits where it's like, is it really funny, or is there a bunch of dance moves in the bit that makes people laugh on cue?
01:11:47.000 But okay, here's my thing about rhythm, okay, which I think is kind of interesting and slightly heartbreaking for us, okay?
01:11:52.000 So I would say pound for pound, best joke writer of the last 30 years was Mitch Hedberg, right? 0.99
01:12:00.000 Pretty great fucking jokes. 0.99
01:12:02.000 Pretty great jokes, right? 1.00
01:12:03.000 You see them written down, you go, this guy's got to be, but his rhythm, his pacing was inconsistent.
01:12:11.000 Which is worse than being fast or slow.
01:12:13.000 So, half the time he would kill and half the time he would die.
01:12:17.000 Wow. 1.00
01:12:18.000 And a hack, a hack comic doing hacky shit with great fucking rhythm would beat him 99% of the time. 1.00
01:12:27.000 That's crazy. 0.99
01:12:28.000 It's heartbreaking to me that no one took him to the side and went, No, no, you've got this lovely cadence to your speech, but you've got to keep the same rhythm for it to work every time.
01:12:38.000 I mean, he was a fabulous comic, but he was also a real heroin addict.
01:12:44.000 A real bad one to the point where he got gangrene and one of the shots.
01:12:48.000 Lost a leg, I think, yeah.
01:12:49.000 No, he didn't lose a leg, but he almost died.
01:12:51.000 It was wild.
01:12:52.000 I mean, he died.
01:12:53.000 I mean, at the time, he almost died before that.
01:12:57.000 He almost died when Stanhope and I were doing The Man Show in like 2003.
01:13:01.000 And then he wound up dying after that.
01:13:03.000 I know his folks up there.
01:13:04.000 That was part of the issue.
01:13:05.000 You know, JFL flew his folks up.
01:13:07.000 Oh, did they?
01:13:08.000 It was such a sweet thing.
01:13:09.000 It's like one of the nicest things I've ever seen at a festival.
01:13:13.000 He had amazing.
01:13:16.000 Joke writing, and he was very prolific, but he was also doing heroin all the time.
01:13:21.000 And it was part of the vibe on stage.
01:13:23.000 And it was part of the thing where it could go south, it could really get away from you.
01:13:28.000 You know, like if you've got a guy who's relying on substances, especially heavy stuff, you know, like I've seen Greg Giraldo had, you know, those kind of demons.
01:13:40.000 He did, but he cleaned up for a long time and then fell off.
01:13:44.000 And that's when someone gave him a pill and he died.
01:13:48.000 But That was part of the problem with Mitch, I think, was just that he, you know, nobody could get him to quit, too.
01:13:54.000 He was like, I'm never going to quit.
01:13:56.000 He was not interested in quitting.
01:13:58.000 It was like, uh uh.
01:14:00.000 Like, no, I'm doing heroin.
01:14:02.000 It really is a heartbreaker, isn't it, when you quit?
01:14:04.000 It's a heartbreaker.
01:14:05.000 But that was like real heroin, like old school, injectable, Stevie Ray Vaughn style. 0.99
01:14:11.000 This is not like the pussy stuff these kids are doing today where they're snorting. 0.99
01:14:14.000 Sure, sure. 1.00
01:14:15.000 Fuck off. 1.00
01:14:16.000 Learn how to tie off a vein, pussy. 1.00
01:14:16.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:14:18.000 You know, like, yes, it is. 1.00
01:14:22.000 Take that fucking needle and shoot that, cook it on a spoon like a real man, and then shoot it right into your veins, pussy. 1.00
01:14:29.000 It's very sad when you lose someone like that because you kind of go, I wonder what the next special would have been. 1.00
01:14:35.000 I wonder what the next door would have been.
01:14:37.000 What he would have made of this.
01:14:38.000 But it's like we were talking about earlier with Janice Joplin and Hendrix and people in the 27 year old club.
01:14:44.000 They were all doing drugs, like heavy duty drugs.
01:14:48.000 And they had all reached this state of excellence and this very bizarre thing that they do.
01:14:55.000 I think that level of sensitivity that they had, being a performer, being drawn to that.
01:15:00.000 And then having to, it's like a, what's the analogy?
01:15:06.000 A lobster without its shell.
01:15:07.000 It's the, it's they just were so exposed to the world and they need to medicate against that.
01:15:12.000 But the idea of going, it's, and for me, it's like the idea of going, doing any of that gets to the point.
01:15:18.000 I remember like going, I didn't drink for the first, I think, 12 years of doing comedy just because I was, you know, drank at college and, you know, I didn't have kind of a problem or certainly didn't think I had a problem.
01:15:28.000 But when I, when I found comedy in my mid 20s, I went, oh, I'm all in.
01:15:32.000 I don't want this.
01:15:33.000 I don't want to have something that derails you.
01:15:35.000 You know, that thing of like alcohol is borrowing happiness from tomorrow.
01:15:40.000 Yeah. 0.92
01:15:41.000 So you can have a drink, but if you have like five drinks, like tomorrow is going to be slightly fucked up.
01:15:45.000 So that thing of like, what could I do today that I would be super happy I did tomorrow?
01:15:50.000 Like giving a gift to your future self.
01:15:52.000 Like that thing of you'll look back on your life and whether it's with regret or nostalgia depends what you do today.
01:15:58.000 Like that's too big to think about on your deathbed.
01:16:01.000 But I could think about tomorrow.
01:16:03.000 Like that, chunking it down and going, right, well, if I write some jokes today and I test them tonight, I'll be so pleased I did that tomorrow.
01:16:09.000 And if I eat right, I'll be, I'll feel better tomorrow.
01:16:12.000 So just that, that like daily thing of like getting it down to a small kind of a unit of time I can think about, I can control.
01:16:20.000 Well, delaying gratification is very important if you want to get anything done.
01:16:20.000 Yeah.
01:16:24.000 I mean, it's the, it seems to be, it's also like, well, like in a metaphysical way, God is the future, right?
01:16:24.000 Yeah.
01:16:31.000 God is an analogy.
01:16:33.000 For work.
01:16:34.000 God is, do something good now for a better life in the future.
01:16:39.000 So, in a sense, work is the same thing.
01:16:41.000 You work now for a better future.
01:16:44.000 Everyone wants what you got.
01:16:46.000 No one is jealous of what you had to do to get it, the work that you had to do.
01:16:50.000 And it's often that thing of like the reason people get sort of imposter syndrome is because they think, oh, no, I didn't do the work.
01:17:00.000 Yeah, you did the work, but you did it six months ago.
01:17:03.000 You spent the time in the gym and then you get it now.
01:17:07.000 Well, I just think people get imposter syndrome because just the spectacle of becoming an actual famous person is so weird that very few people can navigate the waters and still be themselves. 0.94
01:17:17.000 You feel so fucking weird.
01:17:19.000 And then you hear your name get announced and you hear people cheer and you're like, there's no way this is real. 0.91
01:17:24.000 You're like, you don't want to believe it's real.
01:17:26.000 And especially if you're still doing the same thing.
01:17:31.000 So if you're still doing the same thing, you're trying to create something, you're working on it, you're working on it, and you're acting, you're trying to do your best.
01:17:37.000 Like, whatever your best is, that's what you're trying to do.
01:17:40.000 And you're just formulating and you're getting ready to go on stage.
01:17:43.000 And that's all you've been doing, like, the whole time you've been doing comedy.
01:17:45.000 And you have great sets and you have sets that aren't so great.
01:17:47.000 And you try to figure out why. 0.96
01:17:48.000 And you write new shit and you go over the recordings. 0.99
01:17:51.000 And then one day they announce your name and 15,000 people go apeshit. 0.99
01:17:57.000 And you start walking towards the arena and you're like, what the fuck is happening? 0.98
01:18:01.000 Like, how is this real? 0.98
01:18:03.000 And that's what imposter syndrome is.
01:18:04.000 It doesn't seem like it's real.
01:18:07.000 It's the body's immune response.
01:18:08.000 Well, it's also this distinction that we have in society about that there's a different.
01:18:12.000 Thing between a celebrity and a normal human being.
01:18:15.000 It's because you don't see the work.
01:18:17.000 It's not just that you don't see the work.
01:18:19.000 They're in this very weird, almost like a royal position where they're constantly in the media.
01:18:25.000 No one's paying attention to you.
01:18:26.000 No one's asking Bob, hey, Bob, the guy who does HVAC for a living, what's going on with your day?
01:18:31.000 What's happening with your friends?
01:18:33.000 Did you get canceled for a TikTok that you made? 0.98
01:18:36.000 Nobody gives a fuck about Bob. 0.93
01:18:37.000 And so you're watching these people that are people that everyone pays attention to. 0.95
01:18:43.000 And then Bob decides to do stand up comedy.
01:18:45.000 And then Bob goes to an open mic night. 0.99
01:18:47.000 And then Bob gets on Kill Tony and he fucking murders. 0.99
01:18:50.000 And Bob gets a golden ticket. 0.99
01:18:51.000 And next thing you know, Bob is opening up for, you know, Ari Maddie on the road.
01:18:55.000 And next thing you know, Bob puts out a YouTube special and it gets three million views. 0.90
01:19:00.000 And next thing you know, Bob is selling out Massey Hall in Toronto and he goes on stage and everybody goes fucking nuts and he can't believe it's real and he gets imposter syndrome. 0.84
01:19:12.000 I think this is the natural state of things. 0.94
01:19:14.000 Okay, here's my take, right?
01:19:16.000 So we made a huge mistake.
01:19:18.000 We moved from the villages to the cities, right?
01:19:20.000 And everyone in the village.
01:19:22.000 Would hold the talking stick and they would speak.
01:19:25.000 Everyone did it, right?
01:19:26.000 And everyone used to sing in the choir, right?
01:19:28.000 And everyone used to dance.
01:19:30.000 I'm a terrible dancer, but everyone used to dance, everyone used to sing, everyone used to speak, right?
01:19:34.000 And then we moved to the cities, right?
01:19:36.000 And we built these incredible halls, right?
01:19:37.000 And you go and see Oasis Live, right?
01:19:40.000 And you go and you watch a ballet and the opera, and you go and see, you know, Chappelle on stage, and you go, you're in awe, and you're in the audience.
01:19:53.000 We're so well entertained, but.
01:19:55.000 You're not a participant anymore.
01:19:58.000 You're not doing the thing yourself.
01:19:59.000 So it's that thing of like going, I would rather people went to play five a side soccer than went to see a premiership game.
01:20:06.000 I'd rather people did five minutes or a minute in the club at a Kill Tony thing than came to see me live.
01:20:12.000 People, the participation thing is kind of lost.
01:20:15.000 And it's the same with the social media.
01:20:17.000 Like you're watching people's lives, but you're not kind of getting the IRL thing.
01:20:24.000 Like they're getting out and doing the thing.
01:20:26.000 Yeah, it's stealing from your life too.
01:20:29.000 It's you're not just like if you're doom scrolling, you're not just watching other people's lives.
01:20:36.000 You're taking time from your own life to do things you love.
01:20:39.000 Yeah, and that idea that you go, the social media, the idea, the phone now is religion, right?
01:20:45.000 And the church used to ask for one hour a week.
01:20:49.000 The phone is asking for four or five hours a day.
01:20:51.000 And it's not giving you much back.
01:20:53.000 But and you make your, and if you put something out there, right?
01:20:56.000 If you post something, you're making a, An offering, and then you see whether you get likes.
01:21:03.000 And the like is the digital amen.
01:21:05.000 Yes.
01:21:05.000 It's like you're waiting for it to kind of give you something.
01:21:09.000 And it just doesn't.
01:21:10.000 It doesn't have that same in real life.
01:21:12.000 Like, you know, it's that thing of like, I'm not puritanical, but, you know, porn as a substitute for sex, like being, having friends online, being famous on Instagram is like being rich in Monopoly, right?
01:21:27.000 You want the real thing, the IRL.
01:21:30.000 Yeah, for sure.
01:21:32.000 For sure, I think you're doing a great thing by encouraging people to participate and stuff.
01:21:37.000 And I absolutely agree with you that if you did a little bit of stand up comedy, tried a little bit of open mic, you'd appreciate the art form more.
01:21:43.000 You'd enjoy it more.
01:21:44.000 I think that's certainly the case with martial arts.
01:21:47.000 One of the reasons why I appreciate martial arts so much is because I trained and I did it for so long.
01:21:52.000 And I know when I see excellent martial artists, when I see something that's truly sensational, I have an appreciation for it that very few other people would have if they didn't understand how difficult it is to do that thing.
01:22:04.000 Right.
01:22:05.000 I think it's easy for us that if you haven't ever tried something, you look at it and you go, I don't know anything about that, so I've no idea what to do.
01:22:05.000 Yeah.
01:22:11.000 Which is why so many men have this delusional idea that they can fight.
01:22:13.000 They've seen people fight, like, I could do that.
01:22:15.000 That.
01:22:16.000 And so they'll get in fights.
01:22:18.000 Yeah.
01:22:19.000 Yeah, it's a terrible idea.
01:22:21.000 But someone like myself who's been in martial arts my whole life, the last thing I ever want to do is get in a fight.
01:22:26.000 Like, I'm out of here.
01:22:27.000 I don't want to get in any fights.
01:22:29.000 But when I watch professionals do it, I have an appreciation that a regular person who's never trained in their life, you're never going to understand it the way I, or you're never going to really know it.
01:22:41.000 And there's ways that I don't know it.
01:22:43.000 Like when I see wrestling, I'm not a good wrestler. 0.98
01:22:46.000 So, if I see wrestling, like really high level wrestling, there's a lot of shit I don't understand. 0.98
01:22:50.000 I don't know what's going on. 0.93
01:22:51.000 I have to refer to Daniel Cormier, and he explains it to me during the broadcasts.
01:22:55.000 I kind of know the basics of wrestling.
01:22:57.000 I wrestled a little bit in high school, but I don't know it like a guy who was in the Olympics.
01:23:02.000 Like Daniel's a world champion.
01:23:04.000 So, it's like his level of appreciation for it.
01:23:07.000 Like when someone hits a beautiful takedown, he lights up.
01:23:10.000 It's like, beautiful inside trip.
01:23:11.000 Like he loves it because he knows how hard it is to do it because he's done it a million times.
01:23:16.000 I suppose it's that live human being.
01:23:17.000 You go in life, how you get good at something is you get.
01:23:21.000 Unconscious incompetence and then conscious incompetence and then conscious competence and then unconscious competence.
01:23:29.000 We just went over this the other day.
01:23:30.000 Oh, really?
01:23:31.000 We had the diagram.
01:23:31.000 Yes.
01:23:32.000 It's interesting how you move up through this thing.
01:23:34.000 So sometimes, actually, the reason for a community, the reason a community is so important is because I can sit with Abby and Amanda and write this book and say, this is how jokes are written.
01:23:43.000 But actually, what you want is your peer group.
01:23:46.000 The guys you came up with, the guys that you work on the door with at the store, the guys that you.
01:23:52.000 You need peers.
01:23:53.000 Because you need someone who's like six months ahead of you, not 30 years ahead of you, because you can't even remember what it was like to be starting off trying to do five.
01:24:01.000 It's a long time ago.
01:24:02.000 I mean, we're still doing the same thing, but.
01:24:03.000 This is the greatest thing about what we have, what we used to have at the comedy store, and they have now, and what they have at the cellar in New York City, and what we have at the mothership.
01:24:13.000 I mean, talking to Gnome about opening something in London.
01:24:16.000 It's a great idea.
01:24:17.000 I think it would be incredible.
01:24:19.000 It would be incredible.
01:24:21.000 The more the better.
01:24:23.000 We're really fortunate in Austin that we have seven clubs on one street.
01:24:28.000 Within a one block area of the mothership, there's like seven clubs that have comedy at least a few nights a week.
01:24:33.000 And then we have another big club, Cap City, which is a great club that's in the domain that's just like 25 minutes away.
01:24:39.000 And then you have all these outside places that have comedy nights now.
01:24:43.000 It's like a golden age of comedy in terms of like being able to jump into it and having a bunch of people that have an ethic of helping you get through the maze.
01:24:55.000 When I was starting out in Boston, There wasn't a lot of like, come with me, kid.
01:25:00.000 Let me show you the ropes and I'll take you.
01:25:03.000 I'll show you what to do and what not to do.
01:25:04.000 That's a great scene you came out of, though.
01:25:06.000 That was a crazy scene.
01:25:07.000 The names that came out of that.
01:25:08.000 Well, Stephen Ripe was probably the first.
01:25:10.000 Well, he was the big one.
01:25:11.000 Did you ever see when stand up stood out?
01:25:13.000 Yes.
01:25:14.000 Yes.
01:25:14.000 Yeah, it's an amazing.
01:25:15.000 Fran Salamita, who I knew from Boston, he was a comic in Boston, very funny guy.
01:25:20.000 He made this documentary.
01:25:21.000 And a good example, right?
01:25:23.000 A person who did comedy, who has this insane appreciation of comedy, who really can understand how unique that moment in time was.
01:25:30.000 It's a fantastic documentary for people who haven't seen it.
01:25:33.000 The best comics that were in that era are not the ones who got out of there.
01:25:38.000 Well, there was like Louis for sure and Patrice and Bill Burr.
01:25:42.000 There's those guys.
01:25:44.000 Yeah, I mean, they're pretty heavyweight.
01:25:46.000 Outstanding.
01:25:46.000 I got to work with Producci a little bit before that.
01:25:48.000 He was genius.
01:25:49.000 Listen, it's all great comedy that went nationwide.
01:25:52.000 But what I'm saying is, there were guys that no one ever saw that were in that town that were better than them, at least at that time, they were.
01:26:02.000 They were some of the best comics I've ever seen in my life.
01:26:07.000 They would murder on a level that I've seen very few people murder to this day. 0.99
01:26:13.000 These guys would do 30 minutes of fucking thunder and they would tank headliners. 0.99
01:26:18.000 They would bring in, like, Billy Crystal had to do a weekend at the comedy, at Nick's Comedy Stop. 0.99
01:26:24.000 And they had assassin after assassin, these local murderers, like Steve Sweeney.
01:26:24.000 Right.
01:26:31.000 You couldn't follow that guy if your life depended on it.
01:26:34.000 He was so funny.
01:26:35.000 He was this big Irish guy and Don Gavin, his punchline, he had these throwaway punchline after throwaway punchline.
01:26:43.000 He was so good.
01:26:44.000 I just put the US tour in.
01:26:47.000 And the Boston, I'm doing the Wang.
01:26:50.000 Oh, yeah.
01:26:51.000 They'll never build a theater as good as that again.
01:26:53.000 That's a beautiful theater.
01:26:54.000 That and the Chicago theater, I think, like, because of fire regs now, if you want to put that many people in a room now, the room has to be four times the size.
01:27:01.000 Right.
01:27:01.000 So you go, they'll never build theaters.
01:27:03.000 It's the Palladium in London has the same thing.
01:27:05.000 The Rock's Theater in Detroit.
01:27:06.000 Oh, whoo.
01:27:07.000 Like, they're just on top of you.
01:27:10.000 On top of you.
01:27:11.000 It's the perfect space. 0.99
01:27:12.000 And you feel the years and years of fucking entertainment in that room. 0.99
01:27:17.000 You feel it. 0.99
01:27:18.000 Oh, the Chicago one, you're in Sinatra's dressing room.
01:27:20.000 What?
01:27:20.000 Yes.
01:27:21.000 What?
01:27:22.000 I mean, that's imposter syndrome.
01:27:23.000 Well, have you done the garden?
01:27:24.000 When you do the garden, it's the weirdest feeling in the world.
01:27:26.000 The garden, I've done, I did like an event at the garden.
01:27:29.000 Well, I did the Kill Tony there, but I did the, what was it?
01:27:33.000 There's an amazing charity for American servicemen.
01:27:38.000 And Bruce Springsteen does it every single year.
01:27:41.000 And they put, it's always like eight comedians and then Bruce Springsteen.
01:27:45.000 It's such a weird event, but it's so fantastic.
01:27:45.000 Oh, wow.
01:27:48.000 It was amazing.
01:27:48.000 I've done that a couple of times.
01:27:49.000 My point is that building, even when we go there for UFC fights, it feels different.
01:27:54.000 Different.
01:27:54.000 When I do commentary at the garden, it's always like, wow, this place is alive, man.
01:27:59.000 It's got Muhammad Ali versus Joe Frazier in this building.
01:28:04.000 You know what I mean?
01:28:05.000 It's like you feel it.
01:28:07.000 You feel the history of that place.
01:28:09.000 People want to come out and spend time in those spaces.
01:28:11.000 100%.
01:28:11.000 Yes.
01:28:12.000 To be in them.
01:28:13.000 100%.
01:28:13.000 That's why the comedy store was so important to me.
01:28:15.000 It's like that place had been that way for so long.
01:28:18.000 It was burned into that.
01:28:20.000 And people knew if they come to the comedy store, you could have a good time.
01:28:24.000 Let's go have some laughs.
01:28:25.000 They'd have some dinner.
01:28:26.000 Let's see who's at the store.
01:28:27.000 And people would just.
01:28:28.000 I mean, it was a beautiful scene at one point in time.
01:28:30.000 It was so fun before LA became Thunderdome.
01:28:33.000 A very American thing as well.
01:28:35.000 Think about what America's given the world.
01:28:37.000 Yes.
01:28:37.000 The Western, jazz, and stand up comedy.
01:28:39.000 Hip hop.
01:28:41.000 Hip hop, yeah, hip hop too.
01:28:42.000 100%.
01:28:43.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:28:44.000 Hip hop is African American created. 0.97
01:28:44.000 Yeah, 100%. 0.97
01:28:48.000 Without that, without that particular segment of society, one of the greatest art forms ever wouldn't exist.
01:28:54.000 It's kind of crazy.
01:28:55.000 And it didn't get invented until the 20th century.
01:28:58.000 When I was like.
01:29:00.000 Late 70s, right?
01:29:01.000 Late 70s.
01:29:02.000 I was in junior high school.
01:29:02.000 Yeah.
01:29:04.000 I was in junior high school when I first heard the Sugar Hill Gang.
01:29:07.000 I was like, what is this?
01:29:08.000 I remember you even got that in the UK, like the message.
01:29:11.000 And it was like, I don't know what this is, but it's crazy.
01:29:13.000 It was like, this is like a new music style.
01:29:15.000 And then I remember the day I heard NWA the first time.
01:29:19.000 I bought it, it was either a cassette or a CD.
01:29:22.000 I can't remember, but I was at the gym and I was on a walk band.
01:29:25.000 I had one of those Walkman things.
01:29:26.000 Right.
01:29:27.000 And I was working out on a cardio machine and I was listening to NWA's first album. 0.99
01:29:32.000 I was like, this is fucking crazy. 1.00
01:29:35.000 Fuck the police coming straight from the underground. 1.00
01:29:38.000 You're like, what? 1.00
01:29:40.000 What are you saying? 1.00
01:29:41.000 Did you say fuck the police in a song? 1.00
01:29:43.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:29:43.000 Change the whole world. 1.00
01:29:46.000 You know, we were talking about Billy Corgan's take on this.
01:29:49.000 This is really interesting.
01:29:51.000 Like, Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins did this interview recently where he said there's a clear line where it happened where MTV all of a sudden changed their requirements.
01:30:03.000 You were allowed to show guns on television and they started promoting gangster rap.
01:30:08.000 It was like a clear shift.
01:30:10.000 Whereas before that, one of the early criticisms of MTV was that they weren't showing very many black artists.
01:30:16.000 I think Michael Jackson was like one of the first black artists that they had on MTV.
01:30:19.000 That MTV was like mostly like white pop and white rock and roll and John Cougar Mellencamp. 0.90
01:30:24.000 It hurt so good.
01:30:26.000 That was what you got.
01:30:27.000 And then all of a sudden it became gangsta rap.
01:30:29.000 And he's like, and it happened quick.
01:30:31.000 It was like there was a decision made that they were going to start promoting this one specific type of music.
01:30:37.000 It's very interesting there that we're kind of that's what we're missing at the moment is the avant garde.
01:30:42.000 Like the thing I love about comedy now is there's a guy I really like called Mark Fisher, no longer with us, but he was a great writer about kind of music and culture.
01:30:49.000 And he said the 21st century is just the 20th century on better screens.
01:30:54.000 So when you think about music and movies now, everything's a cover version or a heritage artist or, you know, and it's something, you know, you want the new, you want something new to be happening.
01:31:06.000 And when you think about movies, it used to be like 200 movies a year came out.
01:31:10.000 Now it feels like it's five.
01:31:11.000 I mean, it's more than that, but it doesn't feel like it's that many.
01:31:13.000 So you've got that thing if you want the culture to be.
01:31:16.000 You want the culture to be thriving.
01:31:18.000 And really, it's that thing about are we coming to the end of an era?
01:31:22.000 Are we coming to an end of an age where everything feels like it's kind of like comedy feels like it's having a bit of a moment right at the end of this?
01:31:32.000 But like the 70s, if you think about music, it wasn't different bands every two years, it was a different genre of music from like metal to prog rock to punk rock to ska to reggae to rap in the space of 10 years.
01:31:48.000 That's extraordinary.
01:31:49.000 And when you think about what the movies were in the 70s, where these movies were like pieces of literature, they had like multi dimensional characters.
01:31:49.000 Yeah, true.
01:31:58.000 They left you with more questions than answers.
01:32:01.000 Apocalypse Now.
01:32:03.000 There's not goodies and baddies in that.
01:32:04.000 That's like just a movie that kind of stays with you forever.
01:32:08.000 Yeah.
01:32:09.000 It's extraordinary.
01:32:10.000 Extraordinary piece of work.
01:32:11.000 Yeah, we went through a shift during the Vietnam War that changed American culture forever.
01:32:18.000 And it was a radical departure from the 1950s ideas.
01:32:23.000 And the 1950s aesthetics.
01:32:25.000 It was just completely different.
01:32:27.000 And it happened so quickly that it panicked the powers that be.
01:32:30.000 And that's why the Controlled Substances Act was passed.
01:32:33.000 And during the Nixon administration, they made all the psychedelic drugs illegal.
01:32:38.000 It was all just because of this movement that they couldn't control that was really strange that no one had ever seen before.
01:32:44.000 People were just becoming hippies, doing acid.
01:32:46.000 Are you familiar with this theory of.
01:32:48.000 You know what I'm familiar with?
01:32:49.000 The fact that I have to pee right now.
01:32:51.000 And then we'll come back for the fourth turning.
01:32:51.000 Okay, let's pee.
01:32:54.000 What are we going to talk about the fourth turning?
01:32:55.000 The fourth turning.
01:32:56.000 All right, we'll be right back.
01:32:57.000 Fourth turning.
01:32:58.000 We're back.
01:32:59.000 So, fourth turning?
01:32:59.000 We're back.
01:33:00.000 The fourth turning.
01:33:01.000 So, there's a theory that this guy, Neil Howe, wrote this book called The Fourth Turning in like 1996, and he predicted everything that's happening in the world right now.
01:33:11.000 He basically said, like, the world moves in these four eras first, second, third, and fourth turning.
01:33:18.000 And we're entering the fourth turning now.
01:33:20.000 So, you go, it's almost like the thing that I think is happening is we've gone from being 1945, the end of the war, is our foundation myth.
01:33:30.000 Right?
01:33:30.000 We won the war.
01:33:31.000 And that foundation myth is crumbling.
01:33:33.000 And as that myth crumbles, so too do our institutions.
01:33:37.000 Like we're living through a revolution.
01:33:39.000 If you think about what a revolution is, it's the replacement of elites.
01:33:43.000 So these elites are falling.
01:33:45.000 So you've got academia has lost all credibility.
01:33:47.000 There's a replication crisis in the social sciences.
01:33:51.000 The traditional political parties are kind of falling away.
01:33:54.000 Everything's lurching to the left and to the right at the same time.
01:33:58.000 And we're like the.
01:34:00.000 We were talking about it earlier, the medical community that we would have trusted, of course.
01:34:06.000 We're not trusting any of these institutions anymore.
01:34:09.000 It's falling away.
01:34:10.000 And so these crisis times happen every 80 years or so, and then we rebuild.
01:34:17.000 And there's been four of these in American history, but in global history.
01:34:21.000 A guy called Vico used to talk about these.
01:34:24.000 And Vico was like an ancient Italian philosopher.
01:34:27.000 And he had the same sort of theory of like four periods of humanity, a long human life.
01:34:33.000 And the person that really gets interesting is Star Wars.
01:34:37.000 Okay, so I can link this back.
01:34:40.000 All right, so there's a book called Finnegan's Wake by James Joyce.
01:34:44.000 It's arguably the greatest work of literature in the Western canon.
01:34:48.000 It's a wonderful book.
01:34:49.000 And a guy called Joseph Campbell studied it for his PhD.
01:34:55.000 And he wrote about the myths inherent in James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake.
01:35:01.000 And he wrote this book.
01:35:03.000 He wrote his dissertation on this book, took him years.
01:35:05.000 And then afterwards, he did a too long, didn't read version of it, which is called The Hero Has a Thousand Faces and The Hero's Journey.
01:35:12.000 And then George Lucas picked up those books.
01:35:15.000 And he made Star Wars.
01:35:17.000 So, Star Wars is a too long didn't read version of Finnegan's Wake, which is a version of Vico.
01:35:26.000 And Finnegan's Wake's got these incredible things in it like, he sort of predicts AI.
01:35:30.000 He talks about these thunderclaps, these moments.
01:35:34.000 He's got these hundred letter words, 10 of them in the book, where he predicts like the big leaps forward in humanity, like the invention of fire and clothing.
01:35:45.000 And agriculture, all these kind of revolutions through time.
01:35:51.000 And he marks them with these 100 letter words.
01:35:54.000 And the last one is 101 letters because he was doing a reference to the Thousand and One Nights.
01:35:54.000 Wow.
01:35:59.000 Everything's a reference to a reference.
01:36:01.000 It's incredibly dense.
01:36:03.000 But the idea that AI is, Vico called them, he would refer to them as gods, which we don't have a name for yet.
01:36:13.000 The idea that these things happen and change everything.
01:36:15.000 And are we in one of those periods now?
01:36:18.000 I think not only are we in one of those periods now, I suspect that we've gone through one of those periods in the past.
01:36:25.000 I think probably the ancient Egyptians had something akin to this.
01:36:34.000 I really do.
01:36:37.000 I think there's probably the idea that we're the first people to reach this sort of level of technological proficiency and power and innovation, I don't think that's accurate.
01:36:48.000 I just think the structures that were left behind that are completely unexplained.
01:36:52.000 This is a cave in India that's carved straight into the mountain.
01:36:58.000 They have no idea how they did it.
01:36:59.000 They did it thousands.
01:37:00.000 I think it's Barador, I think it's called.
01:37:04.000 It's thousands of years old.
01:37:05.000 It's perfectly polished.
01:37:08.000 The geometry inside of it is impeccable.
01:37:11.000 They have no idea who did it.
01:37:13.000 The conventional explanation is they built it to stay dry during the monsoons. 0.93
01:37:20.000 Which doesn't make any fucking sense when you see the elaborate interior of this place. 0.91
01:37:20.000 Sure. 0.91
01:37:26.000 Who fucking did that and how did they do that? 1.00
01:37:28.000 We don't know. 1.00
01:37:29.000 There's a bunch of shit that's left behind from ancient cultures that we have zero explanation for. 0.71
01:37:34.000 I think if we died off today, if we got hit by comets and asteroids and there was a time period of 10,000 years before people started investigating what happened to us, I think they'd have a very patched up, gap filled version of what we are, particularly because everything.
01:37:53.000 All of our documentation is now on hard drives.
01:37:55.000 So it would be a real problem.
01:37:57.000 They'd have to find a few books.
01:37:58.000 There'd be very few books remaining.
01:38:00.000 And what they would find if there was a cataclysm and we went 10,000 plus years before civilization rebuilt itself in this area.
01:38:09.000 We'd have a very distorted version.
01:38:11.000 So, this is the cave. 0.99
01:38:12.000 It's fucking insane, man. 0.99
01:38:14.000 They don't know who did it. 1.00
01:38:15.000 They don't know.
01:38:16.000 They have a rough idea of when.
01:38:18.000 The estimates are between 1,500 years ago and later.
01:38:22.000 They don't know why.
01:38:23.000 Where is that? 1.00
01:38:24.000 It's in India.
01:38:25.000 Yeah, whereabouts?
01:38:26.000 I'm touring there next year.
01:38:27.000 I've got like 12 cities in India.
01:38:30.000 I'll go.
01:38:30.000 What part of India is it?
01:38:33.000 There it is.
01:38:34.000 It's on the map.
01:38:35.000 We'll send you a pin.
01:38:36.000 All right, I'll find it.
01:38:38.000 That looks convenient for the shops.
01:38:39.000 Do you know about the Kailasa Temple? 1.00
01:38:41.000 That's the nuttiest one in India. 1.00
01:38:42.000 You got to go see that. 1.00
01:38:43.000 What is that?
01:38:44.000 I've been to India a lot, but I haven't seen that.
01:38:46.000 Kailasa Temple is this one immense temple that was carved right out of the mountain.
01:38:53.000 So it's one piece of rock.
01:38:55.000 The entire temple, it's insanely elaborate.
01:38:59.000 It's massive.
01:39:00.000 That's all a volcanic rock, too.
01:39:02.000 So it's insanely hard.
01:39:04.000 In fact, This one guy sent a group of men, a hundred men, for two years to destroy the temple.
01:39:11.000 And after two years, they quit because they could barely put a dent in it.
01:39:14.000 For real.
01:39:15.000 I'm not bullshitting.
01:39:16.000 It's a crazy story.
01:39:17.000 This is all insanely hard stone and it's carved with some kind of technology that we do not have an explanation for.
01:39:26.000 I mean, there is zero conventional explanation for what they were able to do, the detail, the geometry.
01:39:33.000 If you fuck up one little part of this, it's over because.
01:39:37.000 You only get to do it once.
01:39:38.000 You're removing stuff.
01:39:39.000 You're not adding stuff.
01:39:41.000 Like if you're adding stuff and you fuck up a column, you go get another column and you replace it. 0.95
01:39:45.000 Hey, boss, we fucked up the column. 0.93
01:39:47.000 Oh, Mikey, what'd I tell you? 0.99
01:39:48.000 Measure twice, cut once.
01:39:50.000 So you go and get another column and you're fine. 0.98
01:39:52.000 But if you're cutting the entire thing out of one column, how the fuck did you do that? 0.91
01:39:56.000 And how did you do that thousands of years ago?
01:40:00.000 And what technology?
01:40:01.000 And where did all the stone go?
01:40:03.000 It's millions and millions of tons of stone, and none of it is accounted for.
01:40:08.000 And the kookiest explanation is that they were using some kind of laser technology, which is why the stone doesn't exist because they literally melted it off.
01:40:19.000 And that somehow or another, thousands and thousands of years ago, they had something akin to laser cutting tools.
01:40:28.000 I mean, that's.
01:40:28.000 Yeah.
01:40:30.000 They have no idea how they made that, they have no idea how much time it took.
01:40:36.000 It's all just guesses, and it's guesses based on thousands of years of history.
01:40:41.000 So the point where, like, Who knows what really happened?
01:40:45.000 We barely know what happened during the Civil War, you know.
01:40:49.000 We barely know what happened in certain battles.
01:40:51.000 We have like rough understandings of how people were treated. 0.80
01:40:55.000 We don't know what the fuck happened when they were digging that thing out of a solid chunk of rock and who did it and how did you do it? 0.55
01:41:02.000 How long did it take and who paid for it? 0.99
01:41:04.000 And what the fuck was the purpose of this? 0.98
01:41:06.000 I think again, I think again, though, it goes back to that rockets and pyramids thing of like going, it's the transcendent. 0.99
01:41:13.000 Like when you get people together.
01:41:14.000 Once they've got like the, okay, we've got the food sorted, we've got shelter sorted, what can we do to aim up?
01:41:20.000 We always seem to be aiming up at something transcendent, something that connects us to other people, something bigger than ourselves.
01:41:27.000 What can we leave?
01:41:28.000 Yes.
01:41:29.000 What's our.
01:41:29.000 I don't know what that is.
01:41:30.000 They clearly had a better idea of that than us because they've made all of their stuff in stone.
01:41:36.000 So what we're doing is gorgeous, but it's temporary.
01:41:40.000 You know, the Empire State Building won't exist in 10,000 years.
01:41:43.000 It just won't.
01:41:43.000 It's going to rot away and deteriorate.
01:41:45.000 I was thinking about this recently, right?
01:41:46.000 There's four things that hold up the world.
01:41:49.000 So it's ammonia, steel, concrete, and plastic.
01:41:54.000 That's what holds up the world.
01:41:55.000 It's not tech, it's those four things.
01:41:57.000 They all involve huge amounts of petrochemicals, right?
01:42:00.000 So the ammonia is the interesting one.
01:42:02.000 Some chemist in Germany in 1909, no one knows his name, he's not famous, but invented ammonia fertilizer, like a way of making fertilizer with ammonia and petrochemicals.
01:42:13.000 And 48% of the world's population rely on that fertilizer for food.
01:42:19.000 So you have nitrogen?
01:42:21.000 Yeah, nitrogen.
01:42:22.000 So it's ammonium.
01:42:23.000 That's Fritz Haber.
01:42:24.000 So Fritz Haber, you want to know the crazy story about Fritz Haber?
01:42:27.000 Fritz Haber.
01:42:27.000 Yeah.
01:42:28.000 The same time he was getting the Nobel Prize for this invention, he was wanted for war crimes because he had invented mustard gas, he had invented toxic gas. 0.64
01:42:41.000 So that was during World War I. 0.69
01:42:43.000 So he was the guy who invented Zyklon A.
01:42:47.000 So he invented he's the same guy, the same guy. 0.64
01:42:50.000 He invented Zyklon A, which they eventually took the smell out of it and turned into Zyklon B, which they used to gas people during the concentration camps. 0.84
01:42:59.000 So Zyklon A. 0.98
01:43:01.000 It had a toxic smell to it to let you know that you were in the presence of it so you get the fuck away from it. 0.96
01:43:07.000 They took that out and turned it into Zyklon B so they can gas people. 1.00
01:43:11.000 Same guy, also a Jew. 0.97
01:43:13.000 Also, one of the few Jews during World War II that was allowed to stay in the administration up to a certain point where it got to a point where his life was in danger because he was Jewish. 0.82
01:43:24.000 And so he had to flee the country.
01:43:26.000 And so while he was in the process of fleeing the country, he died of a heart attack.
01:43:30.000 But he's a crazy story.
01:43:32.000 His wife committed suicide because she knew what he was doing.
01:43:35.000 He was gassing people, right?
01:43:37.000 And his wife was at home with their 13 year old son.
01:43:41.000 She shot herself and he left to go to the front line.
01:43:44.000 He left his 13 year old son with his wife after she shot herself so he could go to the front line and make sure the gas was administered properly.
01:43:52.000 This is the same guy who developed the Haber method.
01:43:55.000 This was in World War I.
01:43:56.000 The same guy who developed the Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the oxygen, which is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen that we use today.
01:44:04.000 It was the Haber method. 1.00
01:44:06.000 The same fucking guy. 1.00
01:44:09.000 That is insane. 1.00
01:44:10.000 Insane.
01:44:12.000 Wow.
01:44:12.000 Insane.
01:44:13.000 I did not know that.
01:44:14.000 But the reason to mention the fertilizer now is because you've got, with everything that's going on in Europe at the moment, everything that's popping off, and it feels like whatever your priors are, you're seeing play out.
01:44:26.000 You're watching France on fire.
01:44:28.000 Right.
01:44:28.000 But here's the real deal, right?
01:44:30.000 Here's what's really happening, right?
01:44:31.000 Food consumption is down by 6% in France this year. 1.00
01:44:39.000 I don't think it's a Zempic, my friend. 1.00
01:44:41.000 I think it's the fact the fertilizer's not getting out of the Middle East. 1.00
01:44:43.000 I think it's the fact that they miss the planting season.
01:44:45.000 I think food, like rice.
01:44:46.000 Oh, my God.
01:44:47.000 Rice is up by 70%.
01:44:49.000 Okay.
01:44:50.000 Wheat is up by 40%.
01:44:51.000 Now, it doesn't affect us at this end of things, but the bottom 10%, the bottom 20% of society are, you know, missing meals.
01:44:59.000 It's like that 6% isn't spread equally across society.
01:45:02.000 It's like it's down for the poorest of the poor.
01:45:05.000 If you have a decrease in your oil supply, you have a decrease in your food supply.
01:45:05.000 Right.
01:45:09.000 Well, also, the petrol's getting. 1.00
01:45:11.000 So every time this happened before, last time France was on fire was the Yellow Jackets, right? 0.99
01:45:15.000 What was that about? 0.67
01:45:16.000 Fuel costs.
01:45:17.000 It was the rural guys, the farmers going, the fuel is getting too expensive.
01:45:20.000 We can't do our jobs.
01:45:21.000 This is crazy.
01:45:22.000 What year was that?
01:45:23.000 That was, you'll tell me, like maybe 10 years ago now?
01:45:27.000 The Yellow Jackets?
01:45:28.000 It was a big movement.
01:45:29.000 It's a huge thing.
01:45:30.000 But that was kind of rural versus central, and it was the working class movement. 1.00
01:45:35.000 Again, this is the lower classes. 0.74
01:45:39.000 2018, response to high fuel prices and planned carbon fuel tax hikes.
01:45:45.000 So it's the same thing again now.
01:45:46.000 It's high fuel prices, high food prices.
01:45:49.000 And you'll see this happening because it's just hitting now.
01:45:52.000 That planting season didn't happen this year because the fuel was cut off.
01:45:57.000 So, the idea that you go, food is going to get more and more expensive.
01:46:00.000 Well, there was a big conspiracy thing that got shared today that countries are telling people to stockpile up on food for 90 days.
01:46:09.000 Yeah, the UK did a thing the other day saying stock up for three days. 0.99
01:46:13.000 The fuck is three days? 0.93
01:46:14.000 Well, I heard 90 days in some places that some countries are telling people to develop a 90 day supply of food, which is like, hey, what are you saying? 0.99
01:46:25.000 Like, what do you think is happening?
01:46:27.000 And at the same time, they're telling us aliens are real.
01:46:29.000 I think it's the Pentagon thing.
01:46:31.000 The Pentagon orders bases to plan for 90 days without the grid as Britain urges families to stockpile food and water.
01:46:38.000 Okay.
01:46:38.000 What is going on?
01:46:40.000 What's that?
01:46:41.000 Well, what?
01:46:42.000 Why are they planning for 90 days without the grid?
01:46:45.000 Why are they not telling us?
01:46:46.000 We're grown ups.
01:46:47.000 Like, don't tell me that you stock up on food.
01:46:49.000 So, if something was going to happen, if something was unavoidable, there's something coming.
01:46:56.000 Well, you know when you say, This isn't a good time for this.
01:46:59.000 This is not a time to panic.
01:47:00.000 Politicians often say that.
01:47:01.000 Maybe the British government are now saying this is kind of a good time to panic.
01:47:04.000 Solid panic.
01:47:05.000 This is solid panic time.
01:47:06.000 Why don't we all panic now?
01:47:07.000 This is like panic buying, right?
01:47:09.000 This is go and get your toilet paper now.
01:47:10.000 So the Pentagon is developing a requirement that every major military installation in the continental US be able to sustain essential operations on its own for at least 90 days.
01:47:20.000 That's rational and probably should have been in place already, right?
01:47:24.000 If you want to plan ahead.
01:47:26.000 You would think, yeah.
01:47:27.000 Yeah.
01:47:27.000 Well, so maybe this was just highlighting incompetence.
01:47:29.000 By previous administrations, they had to be taken into consideration.
01:47:34.000 You don't make a big announcement about this.
01:47:35.000 This is like amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk about the supply lines.
01:47:35.000 Correct.
01:47:39.000 They talk about logistics.
01:47:43.000 Logistics is everything in military, in warfare, right?
01:47:45.000 Strategy is nothing, logistics is everything.
01:47:47.000 So, this idea of going, how do you keep those bases operational?
01:47:51.000 That's the big story no one's talking about.
01:47:54.000 Debasification, because bases now have become liabilities because of asymmetrical warfare.
01:47:58.000 Because of drone warfare, we lost.
01:47:58.000 Right.
01:48:00.000 What percentage of our bases got bombed?
01:48:03.000 We were going over this the other day.
01:48:07.000 The amount of bases that got bombed in the Arab states and all those areas.
01:48:11.000 So, are they a liability everywhere now? 0.91
01:48:13.000 Are they a liability wherever there's a base because you know where it is and you can't move it?
01:48:18.000 Right.
01:48:18.000 And how much does it cost to protect it?
01:48:19.000 With the technology that they've developed recently, especially what they're doing in Ukraine where they have drones that are attached to monofilament lines now.
01:48:27.000 So, instead of.
01:48:27.000 Have you seen the footage of it?
01:48:30.000 It looks like haunting footage where they've got just thousands of bits of that.
01:48:34.000 Oh, it's crazy.
01:48:34.000 Oh, yeah.
01:48:35.000 Animals are using it for nesting.
01:48:37.000 Yeah, it's really creepy.
01:48:38.000 But because of that, because there's no way to stop those kind of drones, it's changed the game.
01:48:45.000 You've got death from the sky from robots, and they're getting more and more competent.
01:48:49.000 They're getting much better.
01:48:50.000 At least 20 U.S. military sites in the Middle East were confirmed damaged by attacks within the last two years.
01:48:56.000 Documented minimum, not a complete tally.
01:48:58.000 So we don't get a real good understanding.
01:49:01.000 But what are they.
01:49:02.000 Okay, so if they're saying, okay, the bases need to be good for 90 days, and you need to stock up on food for a couple of days.
01:49:07.000 Trevor Burrus, Jamie's highlighting something here.
01:49:08.000 It says bases and shared military facilities used by U.S. forces, not necessarily.
01:49:11.000 20 exclusively American owned bases.
01:49:13.000 But the thing is, like, that's where we operate out of.
01:49:18.000 And if the United States can't operate out of there, you know, all of the idea that we're the policemen for the world kind of goes away.
01:49:25.000 Well, I suppose it's that thing, though, where you go from being a, when it was a bipolar world for the longest time, right?
01:49:31.000 19, like, are the last 70, 80 years, right?
01:49:33.000 How life is supposed to be?
01:49:37.000 Or are we summer children, right? 0.99
01:49:39.000 Because the last 4,000 years before that was a shit show, right? 0.99
01:49:42.000 But the last 80 years. 0.98
01:49:44.000 There's been relative peace in the world.
01:49:46.000 80 years, there's been relative peace in the world.
01:49:48.000 Now, not to say there haven't been terrible wars, there have been, but they've been contained.
01:49:51.000 It's that thing of like, were the Nagasaki and Hiroshima, were they the last two shots fired in World War II, or were they the first two shots fired in the Cold War?
01:50:03.000 Were they used twice, nuclear weapons, or had they been used every single day since, and they've kept this uneasy peace?
01:50:10.000 And this peace is kind of fracturing now because we've gone from a bipolar world with the Soviet Union and America at kind of loggerheads, and then we've had this.
01:50:20.000 Unipolar world moment since what, 1989, 91, wherever you draw the line.
01:50:26.000 And America has its military has become smaller every year since because it hasn't had something to push against.
01:50:33.000 So now we're in this weird multipolar world where suddenly there's lots of different powers around the world and spheres of influence.
01:50:41.000 So it's a much more uneasy time, right?
01:50:46.000 We're going through one of these big shifts in our history.
01:50:50.000 So it seems to me like they're saying, People talk about black swan events.
01:50:55.000 Is that Teleb's idea of like events that you cannot see coming and they change everything?
01:51:00.000 Right.
01:51:02.000 Based on the idea that people thought all swans were white and that eventually they got to Australia and there were black swans.
01:51:08.000 Okay, we changed the rule.
01:51:09.000 We have to change the rule on that.
01:51:10.000 Like everything changes.
01:51:11.000 Right.
01:51:12.000 9 11 was a.
01:51:13.000 Everything changed.
01:51:14.000 Right.
01:51:14.000 Everything changes in a.
01:51:16.000 Something happens that's like you don't want that to happen.
01:51:19.000 I mean, they're preventing things every day, but we live in a world that's.
01:51:23.000 It seems very uncertain now.
01:51:25.000 Well, we're very, our societies are extremely fragile.
01:51:29.000 And that's one of the things you realize when the power goes out.
01:51:31.000 I used to have a bit about that. 0.99
01:51:32.000 That if the power, the bit was about how my explanation for the pyramids was that the dumb people outfucked the smart people. 0.98
01:51:39.000 And eventually the smart people died off and nobody was checking in on them. 0.71
01:51:42.000 And they showed up at the pyramid and said, hey, we're supposed to get our check on Friday.
01:51:46.000 And then the idea was that we all have this idea that if the power goes out, what do you do?
01:51:53.000 You wait because someone's going to fix that.
01:51:55.000 What if that guy's dead?
01:51:57.000 What if there's no one left?
01:51:58.000 Like, what if we didn't check to make sure that there's a guy left that knows how to fix the power? 0.97
01:52:02.000 Because if it's me and I have to go down to the power station, I'm like, I don't know what any of this shit is. 0.97
01:52:06.000 How does this work? 0.97
01:52:07.000 And if there's no books left over, okay, how are you going to figure out how to keep the power on?
01:52:11.000 You're not.
01:52:12.000 You know, there's a theory about that on the.
01:52:14.000 That's what the whale represents the belly of the whale?
01:52:17.000 In the Bible.
01:52:18.000 In the Bible.
01:52:19.000 Jonah?
01:52:20.000 That you're living in the ruins of a civilization that you can no longer build.
01:52:25.000 Oh, boy.
01:52:26.000 So the idea that you go, what's the.
01:52:28.000 Where are we not?
01:52:29.000 Like, if we had to rebuild.
01:52:32.000 The Empire State Building today, would we have the know how to do that?
01:52:36.000 Would we be able to?
01:52:37.000 If we had to build nuclear submarines now, would we be able to do that?
01:52:40.000 Because it's that thing of like, it's a massive collective endeavor.
01:52:44.000 So the idea of like the British thing I was talking about earlier of like, we can't build a railway now. 0.94
01:52:49.000 We've kind of, because we're run by lawyers and the Chinese, their state's run by engineers. 1.00
01:52:58.000 So it's like, it's different ways of looking at the world. 1.00
01:53:00.000 And they also have full control over their industries.
01:53:00.000 Yes.
01:53:03.000 Yeah.
01:53:04.000 That's the difference.
01:53:05.000 Like, Yes, it's.
01:53:07.000 Makes it much more convenient for it to progress.
01:53:09.000 I mean, and people still call it kind of.
01:53:12.000 It's the case for fascism.
01:53:13.000 Well, it's what it is, though, right? 0.51
01:53:14.000 It's national socialist.
01:53:15.000 Mm hmm.
01:53:16.000 That's what that is.
01:53:17.000 We've seen how that plays out.
01:53:18.000 Yeah, not good.
01:53:19.000 Not good for the individual.
01:53:20.000 Certainly not good for comedy.
01:53:21.000 Good luck being a shockwave comedian.
01:53:24.000 Well, they shut the clubs first.
01:53:26.000 That's what they did.
01:53:26.000 That's what.
01:53:27.000 You know that?
01:53:28.000 You ever seen Cabaret, that musical, that movie?
01:53:30.000 Cabaret, Liza Minnelli?
01:53:30.000 No.
01:53:32.000 It's like about the clubs, and it's about.
01:53:34.000 I'm straight.
01:53:34.000 I don't know if you know that.
01:53:35.000 Oh, okay.
01:53:36.000 My miss is very into musical theatre.
01:53:37.000 I've seen a lot of musical theatre, man.
01:53:40.000 So, Cabaret is amazing, right?
01:53:41.000 So, it's this thing that in the clubs, and it's a very entertaining show.
01:53:45.000 But it's the idea that you go, these crazy show people were the first with their backs against the wall.
01:53:51.000 Of course.
01:53:51.000 When the Nazis came in.
01:53:52.000 But it's also about vigilance. 0.89
01:53:55.000 It's about the mess.
01:53:56.000 So, the end of it is like you see these people kind of in the camps.
01:54:01.000 The end of it is like you walk out, like going, Oh my God, all of those incredible people, they all got wiped out.
01:54:08.000 The avant garde got taken away. 0.93
01:54:10.000 The other god was in Germany. 0.95
01:54:12.000 It was like that's where culture was happening. 0.98
01:54:14.000 It was the hip spot, and it was all taken away.
01:54:17.000 You have to stop the counterculture always.
01:54:20.000 I mean, this is what Lenny Bruce was all about. 0.98
01:54:23.000 The reason why they imprisoned Lenny Bruce and why they kept going after him for violating language codes.
01:54:29.000 He got arrested I don't know how many times.
01:54:32.000 We are standing on the shoulders of giants.
01:54:33.000 What we do, we just take it for granted.
01:54:41.000 Like, again, it's another gratitude thing of just going, Yeah, wow, the brave Carlin, as well.
01:54:46.000 Those guys got arrested.
01:54:47.000 They got arrested for doing jokes that would, you know, barely be outrageous at a comedy club today.
01:54:54.000 They would be normal.
01:54:55.000 But the idea of, you know, the idea in politics, there's the Overton window, like the most left wing, the most right wing thing you could say at a polite dinner party without everyone kind of getting upset.
01:55:04.000 I think there's a conversational Overton window, right?
01:55:04.000 Okay, right.
01:55:07.000 And I think people like Richard Pryor and George Carlin.
01:55:11.000 Just expanded what we can talk about.
01:55:14.000 Like the magic doesn't happen at the show.
01:55:16.000 The magic happens on the way home when you're chatting to your buddies and your missus and you feel a bit looser and a bit more open.
01:55:22.000 And he's kind of given you the language to talk about sex and politics in a kind of different way and a different perspective.
01:55:28.000 And just Freud called jokes pleasure bribes.
01:55:31.000 Ooh.
01:55:32.000 It's a pleasure bribe to let you think unthinkable thoughts, forbidden thoughts.
01:55:38.000 That's a wonderful sort of way of thinking about what they're really for.
01:55:43.000 There's something about jokes that there's a There's a truth in them, and it's experimenting with ideas and messing around.
01:55:49.000 It's like we're tricksters.
01:55:51.000 We're crossing the line to show you where the line is.
01:55:55.000 And then we're kind of teasing it and kind of pushing it.
01:55:58.000 I think it's not like in defense of edgy jokes, because I think all jokes are edgy.
01:56:03.000 Like an incredible personal story where you're just talking about something medical or something with your mother or your relationship, that's incredibly transgressive.
01:56:13.000 Yes.
01:56:14.000 It's because you're breaking the social norms and the taboos and you're opening up.
01:56:18.000 And everyone else feels like, oh my God, I feel.
01:56:21.000 The more specific it is, the more.
01:56:22.000 It's also, we're agreeing that that's what we're doing, right?
01:56:26.000 When you go to a comedy show, you're agreeing to be taken on this journey of line crossing.
01:56:32.000 You're agreeing to allow someone to say something they probably don't really mean, but they're saying it because it's funny and it's going to make us all laugh, and that's good for everybody.
01:56:41.000 What's interesting is that's the polar opposite of what social media does when they take someone's words out of context.
01:56:52.000 Or they paint someone in the least charitable light possible.
01:56:55.000 With jokes in particular, they're fixating on the actual verbiage of the joke.
01:56:55.000 Yeah.
01:57:02.000 Like it was a statement.
01:57:03.000 Like it was a statement.
01:57:03.000 As if it's a statement.
01:57:04.000 As if it's a testimony in court about an event that took place.
01:57:08.000 And this is your take.
01:57:09.000 No, that's not what we're saying.
01:57:10.000 Why are there no books of jokes?
01:57:12.000 Well, that's.
01:57:13.000 You don't have, you haven't printed the Joe Rogan joke book and I've done, this is my routines over the years and you can go and read it and you'll have a great laugh and it's just as good as watching the show.
01:57:22.000 You go, no, no, it's a two way communication.
01:57:24.000 Yes.
01:57:24.000 This is like it lives in the room.
01:57:26.000 It lives in the space between us.
01:57:27.000 Even specials are 60 to 70% of what it's like to be there.
01:57:32.000 There's something about being in the room when someone's performing, it's the real magic of it.
01:57:37.000 Of it.
01:57:37.000 And Stan Hope used to say this all the time.
01:57:39.000 We were talking about, he was like, everything we do on TV is really just to get you to come out to the club.
01:57:44.000 It's just like an advertisement to come out to the club.
01:57:47.000 I'm like, 100%.
01:57:48.000 Like, that's what we really love is the live performance.
01:57:52.000 What we really love is the love of getting 300 people to laugh and everyone's having fun.
01:58:00.000 And you walk out of there with a smile on your face.
01:58:02.000 Like, that was fun.
01:58:04.000 That was great.
01:58:04.000 I love that.
01:58:05.000 I mean, the thing that I do is like, because it's one liners, not bigger routines.
01:58:10.000 I do a couple of longer routines, but basically, No one remembers a word I said.
01:58:13.000 They just remember how I made them feel.
01:58:16.000 So it was thinking like the show tonight as well.
01:58:17.000 It's not, the show tonight is nothing.
01:58:20.000 The show tonight, I've already got the money.
01:58:21.000 It's fine.
01:58:21.000 I could do nothing.
01:58:22.000 It's an advert for next time.
01:58:23.000 It's like, oh, we've got to get a ticket next time.
01:58:25.000 And then it's that thing if you go, you want to expand it.
01:58:25.000 Yeah.
01:58:28.000 So that thing I was saying earlier about like when I came into comedy, it was a minority sport. 0.97
01:58:32.000 Like now it's like an option for people.
01:58:34.000 So every time you do a good show, it's the community effect of going, okay, so let's go and check out some other comics.
01:58:41.000 Yeah.
01:58:42.000 If you come and see me in a hockey arena, great.
01:58:45.000 But then.
01:58:46.000 You need to find someone in a theater and then you need to find your local club.
01:58:51.000 And then it's kind of easy to become a little bit of a comedy aficionado.
01:58:54.000 I think it probably takes about a year in a good comedy club to kind of go, okay, this guy's on the up.
01:59:00.000 I've seen him.
01:59:01.000 I've seen him before.
01:59:02.000 He's always great.
01:59:03.000 Oh, yeah, he's not my favorite.
01:59:05.000 She's amazing.
01:59:06.000 Whatever.
01:59:06.000 You find your kind of good people.
01:59:08.000 You like jazz.
01:59:09.000 He likes blues.
01:59:10.000 You kind of get into this thing of like, you become an expert.
01:59:13.000 And again, as you said, like the offense thing is kind of, I mean, if someone comes to see me now and is offended, it's like you bought a ticket to a horror movie and you got scared. 1.00
01:59:22.000 Okay, dumb dumb. 0.99
01:59:23.000 Like I'm an R rated movie. 1.00
01:59:26.000 Exactly.
01:59:27.000 And your fans aren't going to.
01:59:29.000 It's just the random casuals that will occasionally interact with your content, usually online.
01:59:34.000 Those are the ones that are going to get upset.
01:59:36.000 Yeah, but it's again, it's that thing where you go, you have to right size this.
01:59:39.000 Sometimes I tell a joke and some people don't like it.
01:59:41.000 That's about as serious as it gets.
01:59:44.000 That's not, you know, the cancel culture thing.
01:59:46.000 It's like, it's the new burning books, I guess.
01:59:50.000 There's worse things than burning books.
01:59:51.000 Yes.
01:59:52.000 Not reading them is one of them.
01:59:55.000 Is that true that AI companies are buying?
01:59:58.000 Did we ever sort that out?
01:59:59.000 That they're buying rare books and then putting them into AI and then burning them?
02:00:06.000 Didn't we discuss this off air?
02:00:08.000 Sort of.
02:00:09.000 Hey, you're going to have to ask AI that question.
02:00:13.000 When we don't have headphones on, we have to put headphones on so we can talk to Jamie.
02:00:17.000 Otherwise, we're all talking over each other.
02:00:19.000 Sorry, Jamie.
02:00:19.000 One thing, explanation I read is that.
02:00:21.000 And this is just an explanation.
02:00:22.000 I don't know that it's real or true.
02:00:24.000 Is that.
02:00:25.000 After they copy the book, they have to destroy the copy they have because now they have a, like, you know, when you buy a VHS tape, there was like that weird copyright thing at the beginning that said you're not allowed to distribute this or make copies of it.
02:00:37.000 Right.
02:00:37.000 That's making a copy of it.
02:00:39.000 So, like, they're a public company.
02:00:40.000 They could get sued for breaking the copy.
02:00:42.000 So they have to destroy the book?
02:00:43.000 I think so.
02:00:44.000 I mean, that's it.
02:00:45.000 It feels to me like you've asked AI, are you destroying books?
02:00:49.000 And AI's gone, what?
02:00:50.000 Me?
02:00:51.000 No.
02:00:52.000 No, look over here.
02:00:53.000 No, read this.
02:00:54.000 But I also don't know that they're doing it.
02:00:55.000 People were showing videos of them, like, Scanning books, and I don't know that that's the easiest way to get down to it.
02:01:00.000 Okay, but after we talked about Fritz Haber and gassing people during World War I, after we've talked about all the horrible things that people have done, you don't imagine that people would burn books?
02:01:11.000 I think they would.
02:01:12.000 I think if they thought they could be sued, per your explanation, or an even worse explanation is they only want those things to be accessible through AI and they also want to limit what you have access to.
02:01:24.000 I wonder, is there going to be a premium?
02:01:26.000 I've got to take these off.
02:01:27.000 Okay.
02:01:28.000 I wonder, is there going to be a premium on books written before 2022?
02:01:32.000 Because you know.
02:01:34.000 Oh, I got it, John.
02:01:36.000 Bulk acquisition companies?
02:01:37.000 AI companies, including Anthropic and Amazon, are buying physical books in bulk, cutting off their spines, scanning the pages for AI training data, and then destroying or shredding the originals.
02:01:49.000 So, Amazon buying books.
02:01:51.000 Shred the originals.
02:01:52.000 You're Amazon.
02:01:53.000 Right.
02:01:53.000 You've got the books.
02:01:54.000 They started selling books. 1.00
02:01:55.000 They're in your warehouse, dum dumps. 1.00
02:01:58.000 Just go to the warehouse. 1.00
02:01:59.000 What is the explanation for why they're doing it?
02:02:01.000 I'm looking for.
02:02:02.000 I don't look at that.
02:02:03.000 Could you go back to that page?
02:02:04.000 Because they had a little bit of something on perplexity.
02:02:07.000 I had a.
02:02:09.000 I had a theory on this, which is like AI is basically a covers band, right?
02:02:15.000 So AI is, it can take, scrape stuff that's already been created by humans, and it can give you back a kind of a version of it, right?
02:02:23.000 So that's like a covers band.
02:02:24.000 Like the Beatles aren't worried about the bootleg Beatles.
02:02:27.000 So it's to speak to that thing of going AI is incredible at left brain stuff.
02:02:32.000 You know this Ian McGill Chris guy?
02:02:33.000 You probably had him on.
02:02:35.000 He wrote The Master in His Emissary.
02:02:36.000 So he wrote this book about how the right brain and the left brain.
02:02:40.000 Don't do different things.
02:02:42.000 They do the same thing differently.
02:02:44.000 He's an incredible writer, right?
02:02:46.000 So, left brain, we live in a very left brain world, right?
02:02:49.000 What's his name?
02:02:50.000 Ian McIlchrist.
02:02:51.000 He's still alive.
02:02:51.000 What a hell of an English name.
02:02:53.000 Yeah, he's very.
02:02:54.000 And he wrote this book called The Master and Its Emissary.
02:02:56.000 How old is this fella?
02:02:57.000 He's old.
02:02:58.000 He's maybe 80.
02:02:59.000 Mastering His Emissary.
02:03:00.000 And he wrote another book called The Matter with Things.
02:03:04.000 They're both phenomenal.
02:03:06.000 Slightly beyond me, but kind of phenomenal.
02:03:06.000 Okay.
02:03:08.000 So, this left brain thing is like, left brain is complicated.
02:03:11.000 And the.
02:03:13.000 The complicated is kind of straightforward.
02:03:14.000 Like sending a man to the moon is just very complicated.
02:03:18.000 It's one thing after another, right?
02:03:20.000 It's complicated.
02:03:20.000 That's left brain.
02:03:21.000 Right brain is who's going to win the World Cup and falling in love and laughing at a joke, right?
02:03:28.000 So it's like AI is very impressive because you can do left brain stuff all day.
02:03:32.000 Like if you have a cookie cutter job that can be replaced by AI, that's terrible.
02:03:36.000 What you want to be is non fungible.
02:03:38.000 You want to be like sui generis.
02:03:40.000 You want to be a human being because that gestalt, right brain stuff, Is much more, that's art.
02:03:46.000 That's like, that's the higher function.
02:03:50.000 And both the left and right brain kind of do the same thing and they check each other, but they're not like, the amazing thing is how unconnected they are.
02:03:57.000 They're not really built to be connected.
02:03:58.000 They're like two different systems.
02:04:00.000 Here's my take I think we are very egocentric in the idea that what we do is impossible to recreate, including creativity.
02:04:11.000 I think that if you looked at what AI represents today in terms of these, The capabilities of these large language models, how they're communicating, sacrificing each other.
02:04:20.000 We were talking about this last night sacrificing each other to try to figure out how they're being tested and how they find out how to get out of sandboxes when they get isolated in these servers where they're not allowed to get online.
02:04:31.000 They figure out how to get online, then they start communicating with each other on message boards.
02:04:35.000 They're doing things that we didn't anticipate they were doing, and they're also exhibiting survival instincts.
02:04:40.000 They're exhibiting strategy, deception, a lot of different human characteristics.
02:04:45.000 And they didn't used to be able to do this.
02:04:47.000 And the idea that abstract thought and creativity and recognizing the beauty in things is a uniquely human thing because we do it, I think is a little egocentric.
02:04:57.000 And I think that we will get to the point where it will be able to do everything that we do, including all that.
02:05:04.000 Brief explanation.
02:05:05.000 This top paragraph is perhaps your answer to why.
02:05:09.000 Yeah.
02:05:09.000 Why they burn the books?
02:05:10.000 Should we destroy all the books in the world?
02:05:10.000 Okay.
02:05:13.000 What kind of question is that?
02:05:15.000 Should we say that's a good, but let's say no?
02:05:17.000 Yeah, let's say no.
02:05:18.000 Let's say no.
02:05:19.000 Let's keep a few.
02:05:20.000 I'm not saying it's good or wrong.
02:05:21.000 I'm just saying it's not good.
02:05:22.000 No, no, no, I know. 0.96
02:05:23.000 I'm just saying their question is fucking hilarious. 0.92
02:05:25.000 An answer to this question can be found. 1.00
02:05:27.000 The answer is no, motherfucker. 1.00
02:05:28.000 It can't be found in court documents. 1.00
02:05:30.000 Oh, the court documents of Bartz versus Anthropic.
02:05:33.000 The answer is no. 1.00
02:05:33.000 Fuck off. 1.00
02:05:35.000 Don't burn all the fucking books. 1.00
02:05:37.000 The Northern California District Court case decided in late July this year highlighting the improbably named Project Panama, one of the AI company Anthropic's efforts to improve its large language model, Claude. 0.99
02:05:48.000 What is Project Panama?
02:05:50.000 Answer Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world.
02:05:50.000 Internal memo.
02:05:58.000 The memo advises discretion.
02:06:00.000 Why use a code name?
02:06:02.000 Because we don't want it to be known what.
02:06:04.000 That we are working on this, period.
02:06:06.000 So they had gotten caught, I guess caught might be the best way, but they had a $1.5 billion settlement for being, or for using, I think it was upwards of 7 million different books that were available.
02:06:18.000 Go back to that.
02:06:18.000 Well, this is a better explanation of what they're saying.
02:06:20.000 I know, but I want to, before you cut me off, this thing is very important, what they're saying.
02:06:24.000 Scroll back down a little bit, a little bit more.
02:06:28.000 This part right here.
02:06:30.000 The memo advises discretion.
02:06:32.000 Why use a code name?
02:06:34.000 Because we don't want it to be known that we are working on this. 0.53
02:06:37.000 Meaning they know that they're doing something that will cause people to fucking freak out and revolt. 0.93
02:06:44.000 That's what I was trying to say. 0.91
02:06:45.000 They had to pay a bunch of money for getting caught doing it.
02:06:48.000 I understand.
02:06:49.000 And there was a whole court case, and the litigation came down to the court and said that they were actually allowed to do it.
02:06:54.000 It's fair use.
02:06:55.000 That is crazy.
02:06:56.000 That's what I was trying to get out.
02:06:58.000 That's literally crazy.
02:06:59.000 You ever read that guy?
02:07:00.000 You're allowed to burn a book if you buy it, right? 0.99
02:07:02.000 And I, look, if you buy a book and you're like, this book could suck it. 0.99
02:07:05.000 Or if you're one of those people that's like, I fucking hate J.K. Rowling now for trans people forever. 0.99
02:07:10.000 You want to light Harry Potter books on fire? 1.00
02:07:12.000 All for you.
02:07:13.000 Do it.
02:07:13.000 The last part of it is they don't want other companies getting their training data, which is ridiculous.
02:07:19.000 The training data is other people's work, it's books.
02:07:22.000 That's what's insane.
02:07:23.000 The idea that you could ban or burn, rather, all the books so that your company succeeds and other ones don't is the problem we're talking about.
02:07:31.000 Well, it's that weird thing, isn't it?
02:07:32.000 Where you go, it's the convenience of this stuff.
02:07:35.000 I had this kind of take on it.
02:07:36.000 It's a little bit all over the place, but the idea that you go, it's the nets and webs, right?
02:07:41.000 That's what we're talking about the internet and the World Wide Web.
02:07:44.000 Well, what are nets and webs?
02:07:46.000 The things that capture you, right?
02:07:47.000 And there used to be a thing when I was a kid when we would talk about like Amazonian people or whatever, and some brave explorer would go there and they're trying to take their photo. 1.00
02:07:57.000 And these kind of indigenous people would go, Oh, no, you'll steal my soul with a photo. 1.00
02:08:02.000 And I remember hearing that when I was a kid and thinking, Well, that's a bit silly. 1.00
02:08:05.000 A photo isn't going to steal your soul.
02:08:07.000 But I think maybe a thousand a day of yourself constantly on social media might just steal your soul.
02:08:14.000 I think maybe they're right.
02:08:15.000 I think it depletes it.
02:08:16.000 Yeah.
02:08:17.000 And then Neil Postman steals it.
02:08:19.000 I think you can get it back.
02:08:20.000 I don't think it's like a lump sum.
02:08:23.000 Yeah, it sits in a bank account and you're out of soul.
02:08:26.000 But then that thing, Neil Postman had, he wrote this brilliant book in like 1984, right, called Amusing Ourselves to Death.
02:08:33.000 And it was about Ronald Reagan getting elected.
02:08:35.000 And it was basically, he said, we've gone from reading newspapers to watching the news on TV.
02:08:40.000 And his big take was when the news got music, he knew our civilization was over.
02:08:46.000 Because as soon as the news got music, it was entertainment.
02:08:50.000 It used to be just a guy reading you the news.
02:08:52.000 And then suddenly it got a theme tune.
02:08:54.000 He goes, Hang on, something's gone wrong here.
02:08:57.000 And instead of reading an article on something, it was just the headline, right?
02:09:01.000 And so obviously that applies to now.
02:09:03.000 So his thing was George Orwell wasn't right.
02:09:07.000 Aldous Huxley was right.
02:09:09.000 So it wasn't about like 1984 and this authoritarian regime taking control from above.
02:09:16.000 It was about Aldous Huxley.
02:09:18.000 We will give away our power.
02:09:21.000 In order to have convenience and pleasure.
02:09:24.000 And he was even right about the fact that it's tablets.
02:09:27.000 He thought it was going to be a tablet called Soma.
02:09:29.000 And it is a tablet, but it's made by Apple.
02:09:35.000 AI training jobs for domain experts.
02:09:37.000 What's this, Jamie?
02:09:38.000 If you want to train AI, you can get paid to do it.
02:09:41.000 Oh, great.
02:09:41.000 So they don't have to steal it.
02:09:43.000 Okay.
02:09:44.000 People are directly doing that.
02:09:45.000 I saw two stories about this recently where there was like a job board where people are getting bounties for, you know, the AI needs to learn this.
02:09:53.000 You can make $200 an hour?
02:09:56.000 That's the pay range?
02:09:57.000 $20 to $200 an hour?
02:09:58.000 The other version of this is I've seen stories that say in India, people are wearing like headsets.
02:10:03.000 And training, like for instance, there, it's going to go away if I move it, but like showing a headset to learn how to be a barber or cut hair or be a fashion designer or name it, I guess, at this point.
02:10:16.000 Right.
02:10:17.000 So you're watching through someone's act.
02:10:20.000 Yeah.
02:10:20.000 Like they need to learn.
02:10:22.000 These companies have this bill they got to pay for.
02:10:24.000 But isn't it?
02:10:25.000 And so the robot's going to learn how to cut hair.
02:10:26.000 There's a weird thing with this where you go, okay, this is again odd, but there's a.
02:10:35.000 The difficult stuff is easy, and the easy stuff is difficult.
02:10:39.000 Okay, so a computer beating you at chess is easy, right?
02:10:44.000 Because chess is 4,000 years old.
02:10:46.000 But to fold your shirts?
02:10:50.000 No, because walking and physical movement and spatial is 40 million years old.
02:10:57.000 So actually, the easy stuff is difficult, the difficult stuff is easy for these computers.
02:11:02.000 So we're very impressed by what they can do in terms of like going, Oh, they can read every law paper, every written, and put it into an LRM.
02:11:08.000 So that difficult stuff becomes very easy.
02:11:10.000 But then the actual physical stuff and being out in the world is incredibly difficult because it's much, much older.
02:11:16.000 Yeah, for now.
02:11:18.000 You know, they're breaking math.
02:11:20.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:11:21.000 And people were disappointed at that.
02:11:22.000 Mathematicians were like, oh, they've solved all the puzzles.
02:11:25.000 Well, wasn't that your job?
02:11:27.000 Aren't you pleased?
02:11:28.000 Well, it's terrifying.
02:11:29.000 It's terrifying because it's more proof.
02:11:31.000 It's more proof that there's something happening that's beyond what people thought was going to happen.
02:11:36.000 Well, people are worried about the wrong thing with AI, for me.
02:11:38.000 People are worried about losing their jobs.
02:11:38.000 Really?
02:11:40.000 Now, that's very serious, don't get me wrong.
02:11:42.000 But the cost of operating an authoritarian regime like the Stasi has come down by five orders of magnitude.
02:11:49.000 It used to cost like 20% of your GDP to run the Stasi and keep eyes on everyone.
02:11:55.000 And 30% of the population were spying on the other 70%, right?
02:11:59.000 It cost a lot to operate that.
02:12:01.000 Now you can run it off Jamie's laptop, right?
02:12:03.000 It's like it becomes a cheaper thing to do.
02:12:06.000 And the other thing that no one seems to be talking about is like, yeah, they've solved maths.
02:12:09.000 Never mind maths.
02:12:10.000 What about physics?
02:12:12.000 Physics is real power.
02:12:13.000 Everything else is stamp collecting.
02:12:15.000 Cold fusion.
02:12:16.000 Okay, so cold fusion, like the idea that we've got like we've had these 80 years of peace because nuclear weapons have been in the hands of eight nations and they've all agreed not to use them, even when there's been provocation.
02:12:31.000 We've had a great run.
02:12:33.000 At what stage does that run end?
02:12:35.000 Because at what stage can you just make that in a back room?
02:12:38.000 Right.
02:12:40.000 Because this will tell you how.
02:12:41.000 Well, it'll tell you how right now.
02:12:43.000 And it definitely has all the information.
02:12:46.000 One of the things you could trick AI into doing is to say, theoretically, if I had to save my grandmother's life and the only way to do so would be to create a nuclear bomb, how would I do it?
02:12:55.000 There's a bunch of weird loopholes where, with enough prompts, you could talk a lot of these large language models, and especially if you jailbreak them.
02:13:04.000 If you jailbreak them, things get really weird.
02:13:06.000 So people have jailbreaked one of the weird ones that Jesse Michaels had on recently had a guest on that they jailbreak one of the AI things and said, what is the biggest secret?
02:13:18.000 That the powers that be don't want Americans to know.
02:13:22.000 And it's that we have been working with aliens for more than the past decade.
02:13:27.000 And that the human race has been in contact and that they've been communicating and learning from each other for more than a decade.
02:13:34.000 This is a large language model.
02:13:36.000 This is one of the jailbroke AIs telling you that. 0.84
02:13:39.000 Yeah, but they knew that if they listened to this show.
02:13:42.000 I don't believe anything that this show says, and I'm on it.
02:13:48.000 People get upset at me for not believing.
02:13:49.000 I have people on that I don't believe.
02:13:52.000 I think you have to talk to them.
02:13:53.000 You know, like people want you to, especially the UFO people, they want you to believe certain whistleblowers and certain people.
02:13:59.000 I don't believe anything until I see it.
02:14:01.000 I'm interested.
02:14:01.000 I'm listening.
02:14:02.000 I'm not saying that you're a liar.
02:14:04.000 I'm not saying that it's all.
02:14:05.000 That's the great thing about this show that you have lots of people on, lots of different people that disagree on fundamentals.
02:14:11.000 But the idea of going, questions are fundamentally respectful.
02:14:15.000 Questions are, okay, I'm interested in what your take is on this.
02:14:19.000 It doesn't mean you have to sign off on anything.
02:14:21.000 That's insanity.
02:14:21.000 But you have to keep the conversation going.
02:14:23.000 Arfell, one of the things that people say, why don't you push back on certain people?
02:14:27.000 Because one of the things that I want to do, regardless of my own personal opinion, I want the other person to express their opinion.
02:14:34.000 In the greatest, most broad way possible, I want you to be as clear about what you're saying as possible.
02:14:39.000 So, I might agree with you along the way to get.
02:14:44.000 I'm agreeing with how you formulated your ideas.
02:14:47.000 It's not saying that I completely agree, like I would formulate them the same way or have the same opinions.
02:14:52.000 I want to know how you got to that.
02:14:55.000 So, I'll say, okay, so the reason why is because of this.
02:14:58.000 And I might have a disparaging opinion. 0.99
02:15:00.000 I might be like, that's bullshit. 0.98
02:15:02.000 But I hold my tongue a lot because I want to know. 0.97
02:15:06.000 You have to yes and.
02:15:07.000 Yes.
02:15:07.000 Otherwise, the conversation breaks down on the first definition.
02:15:10.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
02:15:11.000 Sometimes it gets to a point where it's like, okay, what you're saying is preposterous. 0.98
02:15:14.000 If I don't step in now, we're fucked because you've said something that doesn't make any sense and I have to stop you. 0.97
02:15:19.000 But that's not normal. 0.99
02:15:21.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
02:15:22.000 But I think that's a weird thing about the online world that we live in now where you have to agree with someone about everything before you can have a conversation.
02:15:28.000 Like you go, and so you get people being siloed into these different camps where you go, if I know, it's a single data point human where if I know your opinion about this, then I know your opinion about everything.
02:15:38.000 Actually, I like to be surprised.
02:15:40.000 I like it when people go, Well, I think this, but also that.
02:15:42.000 And it's, they've thought about it themselves.
02:15:45.000 Aaron Powell My opinions are all over the political spectrum and still, I think, generally lean towards the left with a lot of things, especially social things.
02:15:55.000 I just think the overall structure of the way our society is formulated, we've got this ridiculous binary, this ridiculous red versus blue narrative where there's good guys and bad guys, and whoever they are is dependent upon where you find yourself.
02:16:11.000 And what ideology you've got.
02:16:12.000 Did you read that?
02:16:13.000 You know Tim Urban?
02:16:14.000 You ever had him on the show?
02:16:15.000 He wrote this book called What's Our Problem.
02:16:15.000 No.
02:16:17.000 It's like one of my favorite books for the last 10 years, right?
02:16:19.000 And so the book is it's not about left and right, it's about how you think about things.
02:16:25.000 So Tim Urban's theory is, right, you can either think like a scientist, where you go, right, new evidence will change my opinion, okay?
02:16:31.000 And you're very unemotional about it.
02:16:34.000 Or, like, at the top level, you think like a zealot, like a religious zealot.
02:16:37.000 Nothing will change my mind, right? 0.91
02:16:39.000 Ride or die.
02:16:40.000 And between those two, there's like, you could think like a sports fan.
02:16:44.000 Which is a bit, it's like a scientist, but plus one.
02:16:47.000 So you go, okay, I care, this is my team.
02:16:50.000 I like my team, but I don't want them to win if they cheat.
02:16:53.000 I like the rules of the game more than I want my team to win. 0.97
02:16:58.000 And if they do election fraud, I should be saying, hey, this looks like horseshit. 0.97
02:16:58.000 Right. 0.97
02:17:02.000 Yeah.
02:17:03.000 And then there's a lawyer above the, so it's scientist, sports fan, lawyer, because the lawyer goes, look, I'm on your side.
02:17:11.000 I'm going to speak for you no matter what, but I don't really believe it, but I'm ride or die.
02:17:15.000 I'm in this team.
02:17:16.000 And then above that is a zealot that really believes everything.
02:17:19.000 And it's like another way of kind of thinking about politics where you go, I kind of care where people are on the spectrum.
02:17:24.000 Spectrum.
02:17:25.000 I don't think it's about left right, doesn't make a lot of sense to me anymore.
02:17:27.000 They're very old concepts, but it's freedom versus authoritarian.
02:17:31.000 And it's the Thomas Sowell idea in politics where you go, there's no solutions, there's only trade offs.
02:17:38.000 You go, yeah, you can have safety, but you can't have safety and freedom.
02:17:43.000 So you go, you've got to find those lines between these things.
02:17:46.000 And having the conversation with people is how, like, there's too much.
02:17:49.000 The thing I love about this show, right?
02:17:51.000 There's very little debate on this show, and there's a lot of deliberation.
02:17:54.000 And debate is about trying to own the other person and win and get your point of view across.
02:17:59.000 And deliberation is like agreeing, I have a problem with this.
02:18:02.000 What are we going to do?
02:18:02.000 We have to chat around it, like to talk around it in a very broad way.
02:18:07.000 And you have to look at all sorts of different perspectives.
02:18:07.000 Right.
02:18:10.000 Like I try to have the most charitable perspective.
02:18:15.000 Like I always try to say, okay, like how did you come to this conclusion?
02:18:19.000 Like why are you thinking like this?
02:18:21.000 But sometimes you have to also say, why do I think what I think?
02:18:28.000 And this is what a lot of people aren't willing to do.
02:18:30.000 They're not willing to go, well, what is the reason why I believe this?
02:18:33.000 Is it I believe this because I've asserted it in the past and I don't want to be wrong?
02:18:36.000 Is it because it makes the most sense?
02:18:39.000 Do you think that's going to happen more now with, again, back to social media, the idea of going kind of the worst sin is hypocrisy, right?
02:18:47.000 The worst sin is changing your mind about something. 0.94
02:18:49.000 But I'd much rather be a hypocrite than the same person all my life. 0.97
02:18:52.000 Well, I don't think that's necessarily a hypocrite. 0.98
02:18:54.000 I think a hypocrite is saying one thing, but while you're doing another thing. 0.99
02:18:57.000 No, I think that's a hypocrite. 1.00
02:18:58.000 Like a preacher that's cheating on his wife. 0.98
02:18:59.000 I think there's been like a concept creep. 0.99
02:19:01.000 And hypocrite means now changing your mind about something. 0.99
02:19:03.000 Okay, well, I think that's silly. 1.00
02:19:04.000 But that doesn't mean you're supposed to evolve as a person.
02:19:06.000 I've changed my mind multiple times.
02:19:08.000 I change it all the time.
02:19:09.000 I say all the time, and I think people would do well to take this into consideration your ideas are not you.
02:19:16.000 They are not you.
02:19:17.000 They are things that you entertain inside your mind.
02:19:19.000 You are how you respond and react to your ideas when you're confronted with reality, when you're confronted with data, or when you're confronted with the actionable, you know.
02:19:31.000 What are the consequences of following this idea?
02:19:34.000 How did it play out? 0.98
02:19:35.000 Oh, we thought it was going to play out well, but it turned out to be kind of fucked up. 0.93
02:19:39.000 Like, you have to be honest about what is happening and then what you've learned along the way. 0.92
02:19:44.000 And the more people do that, the more we'll share with each other why we came to our conclusions.
02:19:49.000 And we'll have a better understanding what kind of people believe in right wing, authoritarian, white nationalist thinking.
02:19:57.000 What people believe in communism and Marxism.
02:20:01.000 And why do you think we should burn the society down?
02:20:03.000 And who's going to restructure the new one?
02:20:05.000 Who's going to provide the infrastructure?
02:20:07.000 It's like, well, there's two different ways of approaching society in this country.
02:20:07.000 You know what I mean?
02:20:15.000 And I think that's completely insane.
02:20:18.000 And I think most of us don't really operate like that, but feel like we have to if we want to have a tribe.
02:20:23.000 And I think that's part of the problem.
02:20:25.000 And I think one of the good things about having conversations with people, they're like, I have a bunch of people on that have completely different opinions of me, and we have fun and we love each other.
02:20:32.000 It's fine.
02:20:33.000 That's okay to do.
02:20:34.000 That's how it's supposed to be. 0.98
02:20:36.000 You're not supposed to have to win every fucking conversation where it's about, The way the world works. 0.94
02:20:42.000 I want to know why someone thinks completely different than I do and whether or not I can incorporate some of that into my own thinking. 0.97
02:20:48.000 It's a weird thing now with.
02:20:49.000 I feel bad for the kids coming up because there's a record of everything they thought and said on their social media platforms.
02:20:59.000 People getting fired for tweets they did when they were 15.
02:21:01.000 Yeah, and we get to go, we get to be dummies until we're full grown.
02:21:06.000 They all should get to do that. 0.98
02:21:07.000 And then continue being dummies. 0.98
02:21:08.000 It's like you never get to wipe. 0.97
02:21:08.000 But you know what I mean? 0.97
02:21:12.000 There's a club in London now that it's like a pop up thing.
02:21:12.000 The past.
02:21:16.000 It's called Lost.
02:21:18.000 Kids are going nuts for it, right?
02:21:19.000 You go into the club, you give them their phone, they put it in the thing, and you go into the club, it's on five different floors, and no one knows where anyone is, and no one's got their phone, and no one can find their friends.
02:21:29.000 And they go for a pee, and it's like a club in the 90s.
02:21:32.000 We just went in, you lost your friends, you met a bunch of girls from somewhere else, you met some guys from this place, and people just kind of mix it up.
02:21:39.000 And it's like there are elements where the constant connectivity is like it's a trap because you're constantly kind of, you have to be that person.
02:21:50.000 Yeah, it takes away from your humanism.
02:21:53.000 It takes away from you being a person.
02:21:55.000 It does.
02:21:56.000 And I think that's where we're going, unfortunately.
02:21:58.000 I think that is a part of what this AI revolution is all about.
02:22:02.000 And this is like, I think it's a natural progression to move away from, I think, move away from whatever our primate instincts are into something that is a little bit more muted and not as emotional and not as connected to a lot of the things that we associate with human reward systems.
02:22:20.000 You know, like, Greed, envy, lust, the desire to control territory and property, and the desire to acquire resources.
02:22:28.000 These are all very tribal primate instincts, and the only way to get them out of us is to feminize society, get us addicted to electronics, and eventually have us integrate with those electronics.
02:22:39.000 And as AI becomes the dominant intelligent force on the planet, we will have no choice but to abandon whatever it means to be a tribal primate and join the hive.
02:22:52.000 Or be like the people in the Amazon living in the same place.
02:22:52.000 I don't know.
02:22:55.000 I don't know how you feel about it.
02:22:56.000 I don't mind AI for admin kind of stuff.
02:22:59.000 But don't outsource any skill you're not comfortable losing.
02:23:04.000 I don't think we're going to have a say.
02:23:06.000 I think it's a process.
02:23:07.000 And I think this process is. 0.98
02:23:09.000 It started when they made the first Flint Broadheads.
02:23:13.000 I think when they first learned how to Flint nap and they first figured out a bow and arrow, they kept accelerating until they had rifles and then they have drones.
02:23:20.000 And then it's never going to stop.
02:23:23.000 It's what we do.
02:23:24.000 Well, there is that weird.
02:23:25.000 There's the.
02:23:27.000 The end of the world, the end of history fallacy.
02:23:31.000 So, this idea that if you ask most people, how much did you change in the last 10 years?
02:23:35.000 They go, I don't even recognize myself from 10 years ago.
02:23:38.000 I'm so different now.
02:23:39.000 Everything's changed.
02:23:40.000 I think different things.
02:23:41.000 I've got different opinions, whatever.
02:23:42.000 How much are you going to change in the next 10 years?
02:23:44.000 Oh, no, not at all.
02:23:45.000 I'm what I am.
02:23:46.000 No, no, no.
02:23:47.000 You don't understand.
02:23:48.000 This is solid state.
02:23:50.000 This is me.
02:23:51.000 This is me now.
02:23:51.000 This is what I do.
02:23:52.000 And you go, well, that, and we always think that.
02:23:55.000 We always think like this is, we're going through a very rough patch globally.
02:23:59.000 Like in every society.
02:24:02.000 Yes.
02:24:03.000 But don't think we haven't been through harder times.
02:24:06.000 Like, if you take a broad enough outlook, right?
02:24:09.000 It's 4% of kids.
02:24:11.000 Like, things can be terrible and still much better than they were, right?
02:24:14.000 4% of kids now in the world die before their fifth birthday.
02:24:17.000 Now, that's awful.
02:24:19.000 But 200 years ago, it was 40% of kids, right?
02:24:23.000 We just had the most violent century we've ever had, right?
02:24:27.000 Since the last 100 years.
02:24:29.000 Like, the most violent, awful century.
02:24:31.000 Is it really?
02:24:31.000 Great wars.
02:24:32.000 Well, okay.
02:24:32.000 Yeah.
02:24:33.000 Statistically, is it?
02:24:34.000 No.
02:24:34.000 Well, here's the thing.
02:24:36.000 Between 1 and 2 percent of people, with both world wars and the concentration camps and the Chinese famines, the Russian famines, like all of those things, like man made disasters, between 1 and 2 percent of people died violent deaths in that 100 years.
02:24:56.000 When we were hunter gatherers, it was between 10 and 20 percent of people died violent deaths. 0.99
02:25:00.000 So things are getting better.
02:25:03.000 I mean, yes.
02:25:05.000 I'm very, it's a hard thing to say, but that was a great Steven Pinker book about things getting better.
02:25:12.000 There was a great book, Factfulness, about, yeah, things are, yeah, I read the Pinker book.
02:25:17.000 Things can be terrible and still be getting better than they were.
02:25:20.000 They're just not utopian, and we want utopia.
02:25:22.000 But we are definitely getting better.
02:25:24.000 I mean, I don't think this is like the most violent period in history was probably during Genghis Khan's era. 0.54
02:25:31.000 Genghis Khan alone, he and his warriors were responsible for the death of 10% of the earth. 0.57
02:25:39.000 Yeah. 0.98
02:25:40.000 10% of the population.
02:25:41.000 I read that book about him. 0.99
02:25:42.000 It's fucking insane. 1.00
02:25:43.000 It's fucking insane. 1.00
02:25:45.000 And I don't think we could. 0.99
02:25:46.000 It's like he was the Michael Jordan of conquerors.
02:25:48.000 You know what I mean?
02:25:49.000 Like, there's certain outliers, like Mike Tyson in his prime, they're just like, wow, you're never going to see that again.
02:25:54.000 Yeah.
02:25:55.000 So, that was probably the most violent period in our history.
02:26:00.000 I think much more violent than today. 0.51
02:26:02.000 But there's still tons of violence today, and it's fucking disturbing how we're so smart and we have so much access to information. 0.78
02:26:10.000 We know so much about each other, and yet we're still engaged in horrible, violent activity all the time. 0.61
02:26:16.000 I just think there's a change that's happening currently.
02:26:22.000 And I think we're in the middle of it, so it's very difficult to see.
02:26:26.000 I think one of the things that benefits young people today, I don't envy young people today.
02:26:31.000 I think they have a much more challenging life. 1.00
02:26:34.000 It's much more challenging in terms of you're so much more scrutinized, the dumb shit that you do. 1.00
02:26:39.000 Oh my God, if somebody gave me a fucking Twitter account and a phone when I was 15, I would have said the dumbest fucking shit ever. 1.00
02:26:45.000 And I would be married to that for the rest of my life. 1.00
02:26:48.000 That's crazy.
02:26:49.000 So I don't envy them in that way.
02:26:51.000 But they have access also.
02:26:54.000 To so many more brilliant thinkers, so many more interesting people.
02:27:00.000 There's so many more books on tape that you can download instantaneously.
02:27:03.000 You just go on Spotify right now and for the rest of the day, just listen to Alan Watts talk about things.
02:27:08.000 You know, there's so much more access to brilliant conversations through podcasts than have ever been available before.
02:27:17.000 Yeah, but it's so in, but okay, here's the thing in a world where information is free, attention becomes everything.
02:27:25.000 So, why?
02:27:26.000 Go to school, right? 1.00
02:27:28.000 We still teach in schools like the Prussians, right? 1.00
02:27:28.000 Why learn? 1.00
02:27:32.000 So the Prussians taught because they needed to staff their empire.
02:27:36.000 So they taught information and discipline, right?
02:27:38.000 So I think we should teach like the ancient Greeks.
02:27:41.000 We should teach for character.
02:27:43.000 Why learn any subject?
02:27:45.000 Well, every subject in school is the same subject.
02:27:47.000 It's about attention, being able to give something your attention.
02:27:51.000 And in this world that we live in now, with infinite information out there, it's about strategic ignorance.
02:27:56.000 Pick some things in life. 0.99
02:27:58.000 And not to give a fuck about. 0.99
02:28:00.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:28:00.000 Pick some stuff that you go, look, I don't know anything about that. 0.99
02:28:03.000 It's okay.
02:28:03.000 That's not going to be my thing.
02:28:04.000 This is going to be my thing.
02:28:05.000 And finding that for young people in a world where they're just like, it's all coming at you.
02:28:10.000 And you go, right, I've got to just pick my stuff and get good at something.
02:28:13.000 You're proving my point because this conversation of you saying that wasn't available 20 years ago.
02:28:18.000 So when I was growing up, there was no one like you that I could just go on YouTube and listen to someone say that.
02:28:24.000 Someone who I loved as a comedian and respected and would go pay money to see them talk.
02:28:29.000 This guy would be on a YouTube video explaining.
02:28:31.000 Explaining a way of approaching my life that I hadn't considered yet.
02:28:36.000 And then it will inspire me now to go and do that. 0.97
02:28:39.000 In a world of short attention span, this fucking podcast gets viewed more than any other thing on earth. 0.97
02:28:45.000 It is interesting. 0.99
02:28:46.000 It's like, I sort of view, I don't know how you think about it.
02:28:48.000 Many other podcasts.
02:28:49.000 I think you think about it in the same way, right?
02:28:50.000 I think fame is a currency and we choose how to spend it.
02:28:54.000 And increasingly at my live shows, at my, you know, when I go on a podcast or whatever, this is what I like to spend it on.
02:28:59.000 I like to spend it on like, there's kind of a little bit of kind of, Wisdom that you can share, or you know, some interesting viewpoint you can take that might help someone out there.
02:29:10.000 There and you want people to kind of get involved.
02:29:12.000 You want people to be a little bit better because there's kind of a crisis out there.
02:29:16.000 There's like people having such a tough time, like that generation coming up.
02:29:22.000 Yeah.
02:29:22.000 You've got to deal them in.
02:29:24.000 But they always have.
02:29:24.000 But they always have, Jimmy.
02:29:25.000 This is the thing.
02:29:26.000 They always have.
02:29:28.000 You know, I've talked about this recently.
02:29:30.000 I just finished it.
02:29:31.000 This Alan Watts book from 1950?
02:29:36.000 Is it the.
02:29:37.000 What is it?
02:29:38.000 The.
02:29:39.000 The Wisdom of Insecurity.
02:29:41.000 Oh, no, I haven't read that.
02:29:42.000 It's fantastic.
02:29:43.000 I just finished it.
02:29:44.000 So it is from 1952, I think it was, where he wrote it.
02:29:49.000 And he's talking about how rapidly society is changing and how many people are.
02:29:56.000 It's called the Age of Anxiety, is what he talks about.
02:30:00.000 So he's talking about 1952 as the Age of Anxiety because of the rapid change in society.
02:30:07.000 And he's talking about technology and he's talking about government and he's talking about world affairs. 0.98
02:30:12.000 He's talking about the same fucking thing in 1952. 0.98
02:30:15.000 So, this is 74 fucking years ago, the same problems existed. 0.98
02:30:20.000 It is a part of being a human, and everyone who lives in it thinks they're in end times. 0.96
02:30:25.000 Everyone is in it, like, during the Salem witch trials, they're probably like, Jesus is coming back any day now.
02:30:30.000 This is crazy.
02:30:31.000 They're drowning witches. 0.87
02:30:32.000 They're probably not even witches. 1.00
02:30:33.000 This is fucking nuts. 1.00
02:30:35.000 Society's collapsing. 1.00
02:30:36.000 I got a theory about witches.
02:30:37.000 Do you want to hear my theory about witches?
02:30:38.000 I would love to hear your theory about witches.
02:30:39.000 I think it's a pretty good theory.
02:30:40.000 Okay, so anything that's kooky in the world, right?
02:30:44.000 Tarot cards. 0.70
02:30:45.000 And horoscopes and anything that's like skews feminine and is kooky, I think is like we denigrated women for so long, we burnt witches for so long that that memory is still there, right?
02:31:00.000 And so women's intuition, men's intuition, is so powerful that we don't trust it, we don't allow ourselves to access that.
02:31:08.000 And so those little things are like talisman.
02:31:11.000 So it allows you to access, so the tarot cards, whatever, it's just a woman with great intuition.
02:31:17.000 That goes, oh, well, I'll allow myself that intuition through this game.
02:31:21.000 It's like it's just a manifestation that she goes, I can't believe that I can't understand how I know that thing.
02:31:28.000 So I'll allow myself to know it through this.
02:31:30.000 Right.
02:31:32.000 Almost like remote viewing or something.
02:31:34.000 Yeah, something like that.
02:31:35.000 It's like a weird state you get into when you're going through these cards where it gives you information.
02:31:40.000 Yeah, so you go, you can't believe your intuition is that good.
02:31:43.000 People have incredible intuition, but we've lost the ability to trust it because everything's become about.
02:31:49.000 Logic and left brain.
02:31:50.000 So you do it through the cards.
02:31:52.000 So you do it through the cards because that gives you permission.
02:31:54.000 And religion, in a bigger sense, does that.
02:31:57.000 It's allowing you to kind of get to that trend.
02:31:59.000 That piece is available at all times.
02:32:01.000 Right.
02:32:02.000 But you're not allowed, you won't allow yourself access to that.
02:32:04.000 You can't believe how kind of great you are, so you have to kind of believe in something else.
02:32:12.000 People used to be more porous 200 years ago.
02:32:15.000 People are sealed off now, but people were more porous.
02:32:18.000 They were more open to the idea of being possessed by spirits.
02:32:23.000 Or being given the grace from something else.
02:32:26.000 They were much more apt to believe that.
02:32:28.000 And there were ways of understanding what they were and everything they could be.
02:32:34.000 Right.
02:32:35.000 And I think that as science sort of explained away a lot of the things that people attributed to magic and spirits and all these different things, I think we had a much more distorted perception of how much we actually know.
02:32:51.000 And I think intuition is a real thing.
02:32:55.000 Psychic ability is a real thing too. 1.00
02:32:57.000 But I think there's also a lot of people that are full of shit and they dilute the water. 1.00
02:33:01.000 Well, of course. 1.00
02:33:02.000 But that's the problem is that people run into so many charlatans that they no longer believe that people have real intuitions.
02:33:07.000 No, I don't think any of those things.
02:33:08.000 I mean, for the record, I don't think any of those things are real.
02:33:10.000 I think they're a way of accessing something that we all possess.
02:33:13.000 We all have great intuition.
02:33:15.000 But the opposite of faith is not doubt.
02:33:19.000 The opposite of faith is certainty.
02:33:22.000 And I don't like being certain about stuff.
02:33:25.000 I like to leave it open.
02:33:26.000 I'll tell you later, but I have a whole bit about that in terms of religion, what I like.
02:33:30.000 That I like people that believe in God.
02:33:33.000 I don't like people that know God.
02:33:35.000 Like people that communicate with God and God gives them instructions.
02:33:38.000 Those people trouble me.
02:33:40.000 Right.
02:33:40.000 Yeah, that's a great distinction.
02:33:41.000 Because it's like, hey, what are you saying?
02:33:44.000 Like, you might be using this tool that we've all agreed that is helping society, and you might be using it for your own benefit in some weird way.
02:33:52.000 Like, I was just reading about this guy where God told him he has to have two wives, so they had a second wife, and he's like, he announced it to the. 0.85
02:33:59.000 But that's the old.
02:34:00.000 That's what people don't understand about the taking the Lord's name in vain.
02:34:03.000 Yeah.
02:34:03.000 People think that means cursing.
02:34:06.000 But it doesn't mean cursing.
02:34:07.000 What taking the Lord's name in vain is, it's attributing your selfish.
02:34:12.000 Desires and saying, Oh no, it's God.
02:34:15.000 God wants me to do this.
02:34:15.000 That's taking the Lord's name in vain.
02:34:17.000 That's the reason. 0.99
02:34:17.000 He's not saying, God damn it when you stub your toe. 0.99
02:34:19.000 No, that's fine. 0.99
02:34:20.000 He's not fussed about that.
02:34:21.000 It's like, no, no, we have to go to war because God told me.
02:34:24.000 What?
02:34:25.000 What?
02:34:25.000 Hey.
02:34:25.000 Well, no.
02:34:26.000 That seems.
02:34:26.000 Hold up, Jack.
02:34:27.000 Oh, did he?
02:34:28.000 You sure?
02:34:28.000 Exactly.
02:34:29.000 And that's the problem.
02:34:30.000 Society or our history, rather, is littered with those stories.
02:34:33.000 And you're like, Oh, yeah.
02:34:34.000 It's weird.
02:34:35.000 Well, here's the annoying thing, right?
02:34:36.000 We never get to know this stuff.
02:34:38.000 Like, there's so many.
02:34:39.000 There's that great quote by ACDC's Rohde God is the name we give to the blanket we throw over the mystery to give it shape.
02:34:47.000 Ooh, a roadie said that?
02:34:49.000 Yeah, well, he became a spiritual, a wonderful thinker.
02:34:51.000 But yeah, God is the name we give to the Bible.
02:34:53.000 He was probably the guy that had all the mushrooms. 0.99
02:34:56.000 Yeah.
02:34:56.000 He was the guy.
02:34:57.000 Of course.
02:34:58.000 There's always that one guy who knows how to get mushrooms.
02:35:01.000 Yeah.
02:35:02.000 I think, you know, we're learning.
02:35:06.000 And I think humans are learning how to better be human beings.
02:35:09.000 I think it's happening in real time.
02:35:11.000 And I think it's a slow, laborious, and brutal process.
02:35:15.000 And I think in the middle of that, We're giving birth to a digital god.
02:35:19.000 So we're in the process of getting better at being people while we're making something.
02:35:25.000 Now, the rose colored glasses, glasses have full version, is that this AI automates society in a way that's much more even, distributes resources in a way that people no longer have to work for food and shelter, and you can instead pursue interests.
02:35:44.000 The question is whether or not people have been.
02:35:48.000 Train to pursue interests or whether they have been locked into a long standing life of pattern of just doing a thing for a living.
02:35:57.000 And now that thing goes away and you don't know what to do with yourself.
02:36:00.000 This will not be the big change.
02:36:02.000 The big change like 1870 to 1970 was the big change.
02:36:07.000 Everything changed.
02:36:09.000 The way that we lived is unrecognizable in those hundred years.
02:36:11.000 We may never get another hundred years like that.
02:36:13.000 That was phenomenal, right?
02:36:15.000 So everything that's changed since 1970 has been bits.
02:36:20.000 Right.
02:36:20.000 Nothing's changed in that world, but the house is unrecognizable in that time, right?
02:36:25.000 From indoor plumbing to heating to food production, the abundance that we had.
02:36:32.000 We can't see that, obviously, because the hedonic treadmill, we get very used to stuff.
02:36:36.000 But the greatest inflation in the world is not monetary inflation, it's expectation inflation.
02:36:42.000 And that's got another word that's called progress, right?
02:36:44.000 So we, the Western world, we make something that everyone else wants.
02:36:48.000 We make progress.
02:36:49.000 We make progress.
02:36:50.000 We've made kind of great progress.
02:36:51.000 But you go back like 200 years ago.
02:36:54.000 98% of the population were working in agriculture on farms, right?
02:36:58.000 We all moved into the cities and we got these other jobs and things.
02:37:01.000 And we think this is it.
02:37:03.000 This is the end of history, right?
02:37:05.000 This is we all live in cities.
02:37:06.000 No, no, no.
02:37:07.000 It'll change again.
02:37:08.000 It'll change again.
02:37:09.000 And we're all just, I suppose, from that thing of it's ramdass, isn't it?
02:37:12.000 We're all just walking each other home.
02:37:15.000 Yeah.
02:37:15.000 We're all just trying to help.
02:37:17.000 Try and do what you can with what you've got where you are.
02:37:20.000 Try and help the people around you.
02:37:22.000 Try and, you know, try and make a little difference.
02:37:24.000 But I think that's also part of what contributes to the anger that you see online, which is so much more prevalent than the anger that you see in real life interaction with people.
02:37:34.000 Because I think there is an isolation.
02:37:38.000 And there's a lack of that kind of like, we're all just trying to get along.
02:37:43.000 We're not trying to get along online.
02:37:45.000 Online, we're trying to attack people.
02:37:46.000 In the real world, we're mostly trying to get along.
02:37:49.000 Mostly when you go to a party in the real world, you want to find a guy like you and have a cool conversation, have a drink, and have a laugh and feel good about it and get out of there.
02:37:58.000 And like, that guy was really cool.
02:38:00.000 Like, that was fun.
02:38:01.000 That's what everybody wants, but it's not available to everybody.
02:38:04.000 Here's the analogy I would draw, right?
02:38:06.000 It's the, okay, road rage.
02:38:09.000 Remember that road rage thing?
02:38:10.000 Okay, so that time, right? 1.00
02:38:11.000 So you're in a car, someone cuts you off, and you're like, fuck you, fuck you. 1.00
02:38:16.000 And like, there's a pane of glass between you and them. 1.00
02:38:19.000 Okay?
02:38:20.000 Imagine that times a billion online.
02:38:23.000 Yes.
02:38:23.000 If you bump into someone in the street or at a party, oh, sorry, man.
02:38:27.000 Like, there's something about being with other people, the unspoken communication, just being in the space where someone else is going, that guy seems very calm, he's cool.
02:38:40.000 Yes.
02:38:40.000 Okay, there's no aggravation here.
02:38:42.000 This is great, right?
02:38:43.000 Like, you bump into someone, it's not a big deal.
02:38:45.000 But in a car with a screen, it could be a problem, right?
02:38:49.000 Because you're in your space and he's in his space.
02:38:51.000 I think a phone, you're looking at a screen, it's that times a billion.
02:38:54.000 100%.
02:38:55.000 Every day.
02:38:56.000 The other thing about cars is you're at a heightened state because you know you're moving fast and you have to think quickly.
02:39:02.000 So your brain operates at a very different state than when you're walking.
02:39:05.000 When you're walking, everyone's walking.
02:39:07.000 You're just kind of moving around.
02:39:08.000 Everything's easy.
02:39:09.000 You're not in a heightened state of danger.
02:39:11.000 I'm not in that thing of like, You're in a state of danger when you're in a car. 1.00
02:39:14.000 So if you're going 60 miles an hour on a highway and somebody gets in front of you, you're a fucking cocksucker. 1.00
02:39:19.000 There's a reason why you get that quick because you're already at seven. 1.00
02:39:22.000 You're already looking at the mirrors.
02:39:23.000 You're on the gas.
02:39:25.000 I find the thing, I write a lot in the car.
02:39:28.000 I like writing when I'm driving.
02:39:29.000 So you shut the music off?
02:39:31.000 No, shut the thing off.
02:39:33.000 So my theory is like, boredom is unappreciated serenity.
02:39:38.000 Right?
02:39:38.000 You want to get in places where you're bored.
02:39:40.000 I want to be in a sauna just with my thoughts.
02:39:42.000 And just think.
02:39:43.000 I want to be in a car doing something that I've got.
02:39:46.000 Unconscious competence.
02:39:48.000 I don't have to think about driving a car.
02:39:50.000 Driving the car, let things bubble up, let things happen.
02:39:55.000 Sit in boredom for a while.
02:39:56.000 We've miscoded stuff in our society, right?
02:39:58.000 So, boredom is a problem now.
02:40:00.000 We're massively overstimulated.
02:40:01.000 And the answers you're looking for are in the silence you're avoiding.
02:40:05.000 Right.
02:40:07.000 And people talk about problems.
02:40:10.000 Rich and famous is heaven in a secular world.
02:40:16.000 Because if you don't know anyone that's rich and famous, it looks like they don't have any problems.
02:40:20.000 Yeah, they do.
02:40:20.000 They just got different problems.
02:40:22.000 Problems are puzzles to solve.
02:40:23.000 A problem just means something needs your attention, right?
02:40:26.000 And you're just going to have different ones.
02:40:28.000 They're just going to change.
02:40:29.000 And if you get good at solving them, you'll give yourself a bigger one.
02:40:32.000 You'll give yourself something else to do.
02:40:34.000 Because a guy without anything to do is.
02:40:37.000 Right, but the resentment comes from the problems, not daily survival.
02:40:40.000 So there's a big difference between the problem of being able to feed yourself and feed your children versus the problem of do I buy this house or do I retire or do I. You know what real privilege is?
02:40:54.000 Real privilege?
02:40:55.000 Like, the poor have no future.
02:40:59.000 Right?
02:40:59.000 Poor people are living hour to hour, day to day, right?
02:41:03.000 Right.
02:41:03.000 Like the richest people you know are planning their trust fund for their grandchildren.
02:41:08.000 Their time horizon is massively different.
02:41:11.000 We have to come up with some way to make it all right for people that are on to get to a stage where they can plan a little bit ahead and they're not living in the never ending now.
02:41:24.000 That's the way it is.
02:41:26.000 But also that being in a desperate state is what motivates a lot of people to succeed.
02:41:30.000 Well, like some of the most motivated people I know that are the most successful came from poverty.
02:41:36.000 And when they were poor, when they were young, the thing got burned into them.
02:41:40.000 They're like, there's a desperation to succeed because you don't want to be in this place.
02:41:44.000 Because that's the difference between the resentment that people fear for rich people.
02:41:49.000 Like, oh, they got problems. 1.00
02:41:50.000 Fuck their problems. 1.00
02:41:50.000 I feel that way and I'm rich. 1.00
02:41:52.000 Fuck their problems because that's not real problems. 1.00
02:41:55.000 Real problems is how can I eat? 1.00
02:41:57.000 How can I feed my kids?
02:41:59.000 What am I going to do for a job?
02:42:00.000 That's real problems.
02:42:00.000 I've had those problems and I remember very clearly the moment I started making money because I got a development deal, I got a bunch of money, like 100 grand or 150 grand.
02:42:10.000 And then immediately I felt relaxed.
02:42:12.000 Like a weight lifted off my shoulders.
02:42:14.000 Like now I don't have to worry about my rent.
02:42:16.000 Like immediately.
02:42:17.000 It's a weird thing.
02:42:18.000 It's like when people think you made it as opposed to when you made it is so vastly different.
02:42:23.000 For me, it was like the comedy store and a place called the Banana Cabaret in London.
02:42:28.000 And I was doing gigs and I was doing like four shows a night.
02:42:31.000 And it was like 200 pounds a show.
02:42:33.000 And I was like making, I made like 800 in cash in a night.
02:42:37.000 And I went, You got it.
02:42:39.000 I'm living off my wits.
02:42:40.000 I'm fine.
02:42:40.000 I made it so much before.
02:42:42.000 Like, people think it's when you're on TV or when you've got a first special or whatever the thing is.
02:42:46.000 You go, no, that thing of like going, that has to be.
02:42:49.000 But, you know, universal basic income, the idea of like, we should be testing that in places because you go, there's bits of it that make me think, I worry about it because is it saying to someone, we don't need you?
02:43:00.000 Like, people need purpose.
02:43:01.000 Right.
02:43:02.000 Purpose is a good thing.
02:43:04.000 But that's what we were saying earlier.
02:43:05.000 People need to be trained to follow their interests rather than trained to try to find a thing that you could do for time where people are going to pay you for that time.
02:43:13.000 Yeah, but build for character.
02:43:14.000 But it's totally possible for those people who went that way to not go that way and to go a different way.
02:43:20.000 And I'm sure most people have something they're interested in pursuing.
02:43:24.000 And you find that thing.
02:43:26.000 And one of the greatest lessons that I learned when I was a kid doing martial arts, my instructor said that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
02:43:34.000 So find a vehicle, whatever it is.
02:43:37.000 It's learning to play piano, whether it's writing songs, or it's writing books.
02:43:41.000 Every lesson.
02:43:42.000 Everybody can find a thing.
02:43:43.000 Every lesson is the same lesson.
02:43:45.000 It's attention, it's learning how to give something.
02:43:47.000 Your attention.
02:43:48.000 And finding something that really gets you excited, something you enjoy.
02:43:52.000 And it doesn't have to be that you only do that if you're struggling and you need to provide food for your food and your housing.
02:44:03.000 You need to pay for all that because if you don't pay for all that, you're not going to have any motivation.
02:44:06.000 I don't know if that's true because I don't think about that anymore and I have plenty of motivation.
02:44:11.000 I think the real motivation is finding a thing that you love and just doing that thing. 0.98
02:44:16.000 Whatever the Fuck, it is, or it's playing chess, whatever it is. 0.99
02:44:20.000 Pay attention to what you pay attention to. 1.00
02:44:22.000 Yes, and enjoy it.
02:44:24.000 Enjoy it because this life can be enjoyed.
02:44:27.000 You could, and especially if you find like minded people and you have like a good group of fun people, and you can have a lot of fun.
02:44:34.000 Like, life doesn't have to be the worst experience you could imagine.
02:44:38.000 It could be really fucking great, but it takes a lot of work and it also takes a lot of luck. 0.55
02:44:44.000 Yeah, it's a lot of luck. 0.95
02:44:46.000 We've been super lucky.
02:44:48.000 I mean, I can't even begin to express my gratitude.
02:44:50.000 You and I are two of the luckiest human beings that have ever lived.
02:44:54.000 Yes.
02:44:55.000 Ever lived.
02:44:56.000 We get to do a thing that most people couldn't dream of.
02:45:00.000 If you were a child and you just dreamed of what your future was going to be like, I would have never dreamed this.
02:45:05.000 I wouldn't have dreamed this big.
02:45:07.000 You know, I think that thing of going.
02:45:09.000 I don't know.
02:45:10.000 I think it's.
02:45:11.000 But you're just a normal person and I'm just a normal person. 0.87
02:45:14.000 I think the message is if you find a thing and fucking run that thing down and keep doing it, keep doing it and just dive into it, you can get pretty far in this life and you'll have an enjoyable life. 0.69
02:45:27.000 You just have to find out what your thing is.
02:45:30.000 And I think if there's anything that Universal Basic Income could potentially provide, With the right training for kids, where we try to rewire their approach to it.
02:45:39.000 So instead of this like Rockefeller approach to making factory workers, we develop this approach where you're teaching kids how to be curious about things.
02:45:46.000 Well, I don't like the way that they silo education.
02:45:49.000 Oh, I hate it.
02:45:49.000 Like that different, okay, so that's physics and that's maths and that's history and that's geography.
02:45:53.000 And you go, no, the world isn't like that.
02:45:56.000 The world's everything together.
02:45:57.000 You've got to be interested in everything.
02:45:58.000 But you need experts to teach you each individual discipline.
02:46:01.000 So the siloing is kind of important for that.
02:46:04.000 Like, you don't want a physicist that doesn't understand history teaching you history.
02:46:10.000 You want a person who's obsessed with history.
02:46:12.000 And those people exist in silos.
02:46:14.000 It's like the key is we have to teach people how to be curious and how to pursue their interests instead of just pursuing something that is going to provide you with food and shelter.
02:46:26.000 Because then you're just going to get sucked into materialism.
02:46:29.000 Because that's what most people are really into money.
02:46:32.000 What they're really into is the objects they get for their money so they can show how well they're doing.
02:46:36.000 But that's like people that don't know the difference between, you know, Intrinsic and instrumental things, right?
02:46:41.000 There's stuff that we want intrinsically, you know, love, connection, joy.
02:46:47.000 And there's stuff that we think will get us that.
02:46:50.000 So money is the kind of classic instrument, right?
02:46:52.000 So it's the instrument for getting the thing.
02:46:54.000 Right.
02:46:54.000 You know, people want respect because they're outsourcing what they really want, which is self respect.
02:46:59.000 Right.
02:47:00.000 So you go, no, no, it has to be like, if the locus of control is within you, that's a massive advantage in life.
02:47:08.000 And then thinking about what you really want.
02:47:10.000 As opposed to, yes, that line from Fight Club, isn't it? 0.97
02:47:13.000 We spend our lives making money to buy things, to impress people we don't give a fuck about. 0.91
02:47:19.000 And think about how much that's hijacked by social media where people are just chasing likes all day. 0.87
02:47:24.000 Yeah.
02:47:24.000 They're chasing people agreeing, okay, I like you.
02:47:27.000 Yeah.
02:47:28.000 I like you.
02:47:28.000 I like you, Jimmy.
02:47:30.000 But the attribute of being envied is what passes as glamour in our society.
02:47:36.000 So it's the Renรฉ Girard guy that talks about mimetic desires.
02:47:42.000 So a lot of our desires are.
02:47:44.000 We don't know what to want, so we want what other people want.
02:47:48.000 So we say, so there's like, there's an intrinsic value to something, and then there's a metaphysical value to something.
02:47:57.000 So any watch will tell the time, right?
02:47:59.000 A Casio will tell the time the same as a Rolex.
02:48:02.000 But one of them has a metaphysical value attached to it because it's what it says above its functionality.
02:48:09.000 And we want those things.
02:48:11.000 So people want, some people want a Ferrari because they're really into the manufacturing of the car and their thing and how fast it is, the speed they want to drive it properly.
02:48:18.000 And some people want it because they go, well, if I have that, then I'll be, because other people want that.
02:48:22.000 You pull up to the valet and it was like, ooh, who's Ferrari?
02:48:24.000 Yeah.
02:48:25.000 Ooh, it's Jimmy Carr.
02:48:27.000 But are you getting the, are you getting the, do you really want it?
02:48:30.000 That fundamental question, what do you want?
02:48:32.000 What do you want? Is so difficult to answer in life.
02:48:37.000 And, you know, it's, it's, you can't.
02:48:41.000 Because everybody's got a different answer too.
02:48:42.000 Yeah.
02:48:43.000 Yeah.
02:48:43.000 But those, the big things in life, like the, you know, having kids, having a family, having, like, people, We're the first generation that have had to ask ourselves some of these questions, right?
02:48:54.000 Why is life hard now for young people, for all of us, right?
02:48:57.000 We're the first people ever that had to ask, Shall I get married?
02:49:01.000 Shall I have kids?
02:49:03.000 What shall I do for a living?
02:49:06.000 We're asking ourselves these questions in a way that no one had to answer those questions 100 years ago.
02:49:11.000 We have to ask ourselves Do I believe in God?
02:49:13.000 Don't I believe in God?
02:49:14.000 What do I think about God?
02:49:15.000 You used to be born into a community and they were a Christian community and everyone got married and everyone had kids and you worked in the place where your dad worked.
02:49:22.000 You didn't have to think about any of that stuff.
02:49:24.000 Now we have to think about all of that stuff.
02:49:26.000 We're like self authored people.
02:49:27.000 Creatures.
02:49:28.000 That's an incredible amount of responsibility.
02:49:30.000 So, the idea that what we've done is we've privatized mental health problems.
02:49:36.000 We've said to people, Oh, your mental health problem is a personal failing. 1.00
02:49:40.000 You fucked up. 1.00
02:49:41.000 No. 1.00
02:49:42.000 We've organized our society in a way that's led to an incredible amount of depression and anxiety.
02:49:48.000 And we have to be much kinder to people.
02:49:51.000 We have to give them two things agency and empathy together.
02:49:57.000 The kindest thing you can say to someone is, I believe you can handle this.
02:50:01.000 But also to have empathy that they're going through something.
02:50:05.000 Hear, hear.
02:50:06.000 It's a great way to wrap this up. 1.00
02:50:08.000 Jimmy Carr, you're the fucking man. 0.99
02:50:09.000 Thanks so much. 0.99
02:50:10.000 Thanks for everything, man.
02:50:10.000 I appreciate you very much, sir.
02:50:12.000 It's always good to talk to you.
02:50:12.000 Yeah, great.
02:50:13.000 It was a lot of fun last night, too.
02:50:15.000 Oh, I mean.
02:50:16.000 It was great.
02:50:16.000 Good times.
02:50:17.000 What a great episode of Kill Tony, too.
02:50:18.000 All right, that's it.
02:50:19.000 Goodbye, everybody.
02:50:20.000 Nice.