00:00:52.000But first of all, just taking his passport right away is kind of crazy.
00:00:56.000And I think they did warn him as well.
00:00:57.000They said, Lula said, if I'm elected, you know, it was kind of like you're going to be in jail when Trump said it to Hillary, but they followed through.
00:01:11.000But the whole thing was so it was someone that was Lula's former defense attorney.
00:01:18.000He was elected to the Supreme Court of Brazil, and then that person opened up the polls for an additional two hours, and that allowed Lula to win.
00:02:15.000Or a government that's involved in doing this, or someone with a vested interest in fucking up American politics or Brazilian politics or whatever.
00:02:26.000You just, who cares if we're making money?0.63
00:02:30.000What we want to do is fuck up the waters.0.99
00:02:32.000We want to muddy up the waters so nobody knows what the fuck is real.0.98
00:02:35.000If there's people that are voting, we want them to be completely confused or lied to, where they have a totally incorrect narrative of what's going on.0.97
00:02:50.000Maybe when there's a fact check, like a Grok fact check, and it proves to be absolutely incorrect, maybe they should just take it down so that you don't have to go into the thread.
00:03:03.000Because I'll go into the thread, I'll read something like that's fake, and I'll go into the thread, I'm like, where does someone ask Grok?
00:03:10.000And someone asks Grok, and it says, no, this is not correct, and then Grok lays it out.
00:03:30.000And then amplified by bots or foreign actors as well.
00:03:36.000I mean, that's one of the interesting areas where I think there's probably a solution, which is kind of like digital border enforcement, where you actually know that people are commenting on this and where they're commenting from.
00:04:28.000Why are there so many of these Bob 67432 bots?
00:04:33.000People that are commenting on this, and what are they trying to prove, or what are they trying to push?
00:04:38.000And it's not just that, it's also you get certain influencers, and you see them come up on your timeline time and time and time again with these takes that are just straight out ridiculous.
00:04:48.000But they, and then you look underneath, and you look at the amount of retweets, you look at the engagement, you go to, you think to yourself, that just can't be real.
00:04:56.000Cause that is such a ridiculous take that they've just given you.
00:05:01.000But the engagement is unreal, and then you see it time and time again from the same influencers.0.82
00:05:07.000Yeah, well, I think just becoming outrageous is profitable, right?
00:06:00.000If you piss people off, if you say something that's outrageous, that's far easier to then get people engaging with you than to do something funny or.
00:06:19.000In the last few episodes that we've put out on Trigonometry, you've got David Packman, who's a left wing guy, Dave Smith, who's like a libertarian guy, and we've got Steven Crowder coming out soon.
00:06:31.000So we actually got to the point where we always wanted to be where we're talking to everybody.
00:06:35.000It's what I always really enjoyed about you and the way you do it.
00:06:39.000I actually kind of marveled at how you were able to do it because when we started, we had a very hard time getting more of the left leaning guests on.
00:06:49.000You just get everybody on and they're happy to come on and talk.
00:06:52.000And that's what actually you need more of in the world.
00:06:55.000I think the outrage stuff you're talking about really pushes people apart.
00:06:59.000We were really interested in how do you bring people together to have one conversation based on an agreed set of facts.
00:07:04.000I think as long as you're getting people that are honest, that are good faith, Conversationalists, you know, and I think that's that is an issue, and I that's what I don't want to do anymore.0.91
00:07:15.000I don't want to have on these people that I think are full of shit that are propagandists that are loyal to a party to the point where they just distort facts or obfuscate or talk over you when you're trying to make points.0.98
00:07:28.000Like the Piers Morgan model, where you see like someone will be saying something and the other person just chime in and just talk over them to try to disrupt their pattern of thinking, it's very annoying and stupid, and I'm not interested in that at all.0.99
00:07:42.000And I'm not interested in talking to people that I think are just outright liars.0.98
00:07:47.000Unless I have some fucking obligation to expose them, but I don't want to.0.99
00:07:53.000I don't want that to be a thing that I want to do all the time, where it's just bring on people that I know you're full of shit and like say, I've got the facts.0.99
00:08:00.000Like, I like to talk to people that I'm interested in talking to, and that's my business model.
00:08:05.000I mean, it's not a business model, it's just like it's what I started doing and that's what I want to keep doing.
00:08:10.000And if that, you know, I was very interested in talking to Bernie again.
00:08:14.000You know, I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I don't think he's a bad person, you know, and I think he, you know, he's an older guy with some ideals that just didn't pan out, and I think he still believes.
00:08:27.000That there's like a way to do this that's different and better for the people and for the working people.
00:08:33.000But I think after a while, you say these words like, you know what it's like when you have an act and you've been doing a bit for a long time and then the bit stops losing meaning?
00:08:42.000You just say it the way you've always said it, but it doesn't have any meaning to you anymore.
00:08:48.000And the bit starts to get stale and it starts to die off.
00:08:51.000And if you're smart, you pull it out of the act, you put it on the shelf, and you go, I gotta rework that thing or something.
00:09:10.000Because if you really look into climate change, it's very fucking confusing.
00:09:13.000It's not as simple as there was just an article today that someone sent me that they think that global warming may have stopped an imminent ice age that was coming, which is one of the things that they were talking about during the 1970s.0.65
00:09:41.000It was great because it was a mix of like horse shit, doom and gloom, Bigfoot, UFOs, all kinds of stuff.1.00
00:09:47.000But it was Leonard Nimoy, you know, Spock from Star Trek.0.98
00:09:51.000And he had a whole article about imminent ice age.
00:09:55.000And that's the thing that we really should be afraid of.
00:09:58.000It's a fucking terrifying proposition that the world freezes over again because if it gets hot, you just move to the places that used to be cold.0.81
00:10:18.000I think more people die in, not in England, but in Europe, in all of Europe, from heat stroke during summer than gun violence in the United States.0.99
00:12:55.000Well, this is what people don't understand about the climate change agenda it's Pushed electricity prices up and so, and gas prices, and so energy is much more expensive.
00:13:04.000So, you literally have pensioners freezing to death in winter because they can't afford to heat their home properly because we're saving the planet.
00:13:11.000Anyway, your point, I think, is we need the Second Amendment and air conditioning in the UK.
00:14:31.000Like one or two over the Course of the year.
00:14:34.000But you've got to remember though, Joe, is like the infrastructure and the houses and the trains and all the public transport, they're not built for that kind of climate.
00:14:42.000So if you go on holiday in Italy and it's 40, that's one thing.
00:14:48.000If it's 40 in the UK in the houses that are built to keep the heat in during winter, it's a different conversation.
00:14:54.000So the average daytime high in July and August is 70 degrees.
00:15:01.000But we have had very hot days the last couple of summers.
00:15:38.000And if you don't understand differential equations, you don't understand like the way the wind blows and solar activity and all these different variables that come into play along with greenhouse gases, along with carbon.
00:15:51.000There's so many different variables that come into play.
00:15:54.000Like these narratives are so unscientific for the people that want to say trust the science.0.97
00:16:00.000Well, the science on climate change is fucking incredibly complex.0.96
00:16:08.000And it's so interesting you use the word unscientific because I often think about this.
00:16:12.000Most of my family are scientists, physicists, biochemical engineers.
00:16:18.000The thing with, like, when a normal person hears the word science, what they think is if I pick up this phone and drop it, it's going to fall at a predictable speed because we understand the rules of gravity.
00:16:28.000We can calculate it, we can calculate the speed, the acceleration, all that stuff.
00:17:41.000The other super inconvenient thing when it comes to carbon is that there's more vegetation, more leaf coverage in a In the world now than there has been in a long fucking time.
00:18:03.000Well, we're freaking out about a bunch of people that have engineered a narrative to get us to freak out about it so they can profit off of it.
00:18:10.000And that's the reality of it is that all of these green deals and all this green energy, these people get contracts and then there's Mandates for what you can and can't use and what you should and shouldn't do.
00:18:25.000And then people profit off of these directions that we go in.
00:18:55.000They're sitting in boardrooms and they're showing spreadsheets of how much money they'll make if a certain bill goes through.
00:19:02.000Because if a certain bill restricts one type of energy and promotes their type of energy, even if their type of energy, like windmills, is terrible for the environment and radically inefficient, they're going to profit.
00:19:15.000And that's what they're thinking about.
00:19:16.000And so then they're going to pay politicians to push certain narratives.
00:19:48.000In Britain now, so I'm actually going to get an electric car soon, right?
00:19:51.000And the reason is they've created the incentive structures whereby if you get an electric car, especially through your business, you can basically get a car that's twice as good for the same money because you get so much tax write off.
00:20:05.000Because, like you said, people have created a structure whereby.
00:20:09.000If you encourage people to do this, they save money.
00:21:20.000Because you can't operate, particularly now, with a going when someone asks you about whatever it is climate change, the Middle East, a war, whatever subject you want to talk about.
00:21:29.000Most people simply don't have the education, the answers, they don't have their own opinions.
00:22:21.000And I'm not saying religion is 100% great, but what I am saying is there's something about having a structure like Ten Commandments or whatever they have in whatever religion we're talking about, where there's rules to abide by because there's a higher power, and then you worship, and in worshiping, there's a humility to that and a humbleness to that, and then there's this community where everyone's drawn together and we're all agreeing on certain rules.
00:22:48.000Like, I always talk about the church parking lot is proof that Christianity works.
00:23:22.000I think a part of what's wrong with this side of our politics when you look at the two sides, the left and the right, is that the left is almost like I would have wanted to know what percentage of people who identify as progressive have any religion.
00:25:07.000We just had Jonathan Haidt back on the show.
00:25:10.000We haven't released it yet, but it's one of the things we talked about.
00:25:12.000We talked about religion, and he's not a religious person, but he was like, I used to be very snooty about it, and now I just go, whatever you believe, it's a social technology for achieving cohesion within a group and for giving people.
00:25:27.000And on a personal level as well, I think.
00:25:30.000One of the things that Christianity in particular is very, very good at is gratitude, which is just a practice that, forget about God and all the rest of it, the practice of acknowledging how fortunate you are at any point in your life is something that changes how you experience life.
00:25:50.000And if you do that every day, I think it's much, much harder to be a deranged lunatic who thinks that they're political.
00:25:58.000Like, there are political causes I feel very strongly about.
00:26:02.000But I'm not going to go on the march and scream at people who don't agree with me because I just, that's not coherent to my worldview of what it is to be human.
00:27:09.000Anybody with a life, anybody that has like a family and stuff to do and hobbies they enjoy and friends they want to hang out with, they don't sit around answering some fucking poll.1.00
00:27:18.000So, you're literally getting the opinion of people so fucking stupid they answer polls.0.99
00:27:24.000Like, if you've, if there's an issue, like 49% agree, that means less than half of the people that are so fucking stupid they're answering polls agree with you.0.99
00:27:46.000Because that's how you're measuring what human beings respond to.
00:27:49.000Another thing that's interesting with, The religious thing when it comes to the left is there's been this larger than normal presence of these like LBGT pastors and these people that are promoting a very different Christianity, you know, and they're talking about things that, you know, biblical scholars are like, hey, wait, what page is this on?0.54
00:28:14.000Where does it say abortion's okay?0.51
00:29:53.000You could see how these people support him, and you see that they want this.
00:29:57.000It's like it's hurting their business.
00:29:58.000And if people can just get high, and you know, like, here's the thing about marijuana, even if they do what, like, Colorado did.
00:30:05.000So, Colorado was the first, shout out to Colorado, the first to legalize cannabis.0.95
00:30:11.000And one of the things they did is say, we're going to put a crazy tax on it and just use that tax for fucking schools and all kinds of stuff.0.86
00:30:19.000Everybody'd be happy because you've got all this new tax revenue.0.92
00:30:21.000I think it was like 39%, which is really, and everybody's like, great, fine, because marijuana is relatively inexpensive.1.00
00:30:29.000Like, if you go out drinking with some buddies, Fuck, man.0.99
00:30:32.000You bring five buddies, you're picking up a tab, they're picking up a tab.1.00
00:30:35.000You guys are having fun, you're drinking, you're ordering.
00:30:37.000You have $500, $600 at the end of the night.
00:31:37.000And it's also, as well, it's like young people don't have the money to go out boozing like we did when we were young, when everything was much cheaper.
00:31:45.000Well, there's also, I think, and this is a positive aspect of the internet.
00:31:49.000And all these health and wellness influencers is that a lot of people are realizing, like, hey, alcohol is actually bad for you.
00:33:48.000I said, Sir, I have been taking vitamins for a long time, and I noticed a market difference between when I take them and when I don't take them.
00:33:55.000There's a lot of benefits, and there's a lot of peer reviewed studies that show benefits.
00:36:04.000Well, you know, there was a guy, I talk about this all the time when we talk about, you know, everyone's concerned about plummeting birth rates and all of that.
00:36:31.000And he wrote a book called The Human Zoo, which was all about how the city creates in human beings the kind of responses that a zoo creates in animals higher rates of interpersonal violence, higher rates of mental illness, lower reproductiveness, higher rates of depression, all of this stuff.
00:38:35.000Occasionally, New York's fun to visit, but living there, sleeping there, you pay a toll.0.99
00:38:43.000You do pay a toll because that city, like we've got a friend who lets us use his apartment, and it's a beautiful apartment in Manhattan, but you can never really sleep because what you said is like, nah, nah, fuck you, fuck you in the ass.1.00
00:39:09.000A 24 hour city, a legitimate 24 hour city.
00:39:12.000And when I was single, it was great because pool halls are open in New York City 24 hours a day.
00:39:18.000So, you know, Chelsea Billiards, which is where we would go, was like this crazy place that was like a playground that was open 24 hours a day.
00:41:53.000You know, we were talking about the other day.
00:41:55.000Colm Tyrell, a hilarious stand up comedian, was on.
00:41:58.000And he was talking about how he goes to Big Bend and goes down to this area of Texas and South Texas that is like one of the best places to see the sky, the night sky, and how fucking insane it is.
00:42:11.000And you're just confronted by the Milky Way and all these stars.
00:42:33.000Whatever it is, it's like you're living in this very tiny, blinded world.1.00
00:42:42.000I think for people like us as well, who by virtue of what we do are digitally plugged in, like we have to kind of pay attention a little bit to what's going on.
00:42:50.000I certainly spend a lot of time on my phone.0.97
00:42:53.000I remember a month or two ago, there was some shit going on.0.99
00:42:57.000Talking shit about as always about us on social media or in the papers, and then I just sit in my garden and I see these two giant trees that are like 300 years old.1.00
00:43:16.000Some of the opinions are going to suck, and some of them are going to be completely outrageous, and some are going to be just outright lies where they just want to take you down.0.55
00:43:55.000It's just like, you know, I always say that these parties that, you know, unfortunately we only have two, are defined by the craziest members of those parties.
00:44:05.000Like when you think about the left, what do you think about people that want trans women in sports and communism and an open border?
00:44:12.000And then, when you think about the right, what do you think about?0.99
00:44:14.000Like, Patriot Front and fucking, you know, religious fundamentalists that want the Bible in every school and, you know, xenophobic people that think this is a white Christian nation and that's it.0.99
00:44:28.000And if you spend enough time absorbing all of this online, it'd completely warp your worldview instead of just basing your worldview on how you interact with people in real life.
00:44:41.000You know, and most people now are tainted by this.
00:44:57.000This is a crazy way to talk to people.
00:44:58.000If you have an opinion about something and we both have the time, which is another thing, to actually discuss this, like, this is a time consuming, nuanced discussion.
00:45:09.000Like, let's, if, which is a beautiful thing of what we're allowed to do, where we can sit down and have those discussions.
00:45:15.000And I think it's super beneficial for other people.
00:45:18.000To be able to listen, because if someone sees some Twitter hot take on you, they can get a very distorted perception of who you are.
00:45:26.000And then they hear you on a podcast and go, wait a minute, this guy is pretty reasonable.
00:45:35.000But if you're only a clips person and you're only a Twitter person and you're only a hot take person, you just, and you're tired, you're working all day, you have a fucking whole bunch of obligations.
00:45:46.000You're going to, like, lock into a fake version of the world.
00:45:50.000And that version of the world is going to give you anxiety.
00:45:52.000But it's also about incentives because if you are a hot takes person, if you are a clips person, you actually don't care about the truth because that's not what you're aiming for.
00:46:00.000What you're actually aiming for is engagement, it's views, it's all the rest of it, it's money.
00:46:05.000So, unfortunately, as we all know, the truth is important, but it doesn't generate, it doesn't engage people as much as a hot take, as much as something that is potentially divisive.
00:46:17.000Here's how I push back on that the success of podcasts like yours and mine.
00:46:37.000There's a hunger for that, obviously.0.95
00:46:39.000It's not just that the only interaction that humans are having is these bullshit artists that are making these fake posts or these very biased posts just to get engagement because that's how they make their money.0.95
00:46:59.000And it's like you said, I think politics is what changes all of it.
00:47:03.000And maybe that's where I acknowledge that we, like, when we started the show, we had a rule that we would never have sitting politicians on the show.
00:47:10.000And then, you know, we got interested in more politics and we had access to more politicians.
00:47:15.000And suddenly we talked to a few of them.
00:47:25.000Like, we were sitting in IRBNB yesterday preparing for one of our interviews, watching something on YouTube.
00:47:30.000But because we weren't logged in with our own account, you get YouTube ads.
00:47:34.000And right now, as we're recording this, it's the midterms coming up.
00:47:38.000And the political attack ads, have you seen this?
00:47:40.000Oh, I've seen a lot of them in America, bro.
00:47:43.000It is if you show that to a person who's not used to it, like it is shocking to me.
00:47:48.000It's like Ken Paxton loves pedophiles, like whoa, right?
00:47:51.000That's and the other way too, yeah, right?1.00
00:47:53.000James Tallerico wants to take your daughter and rape her and then trans her, like whoa, it is since like imagine talking about people like that, right?1.00
00:48:04.000Imagine you came on here and you were just like, the Republicans want to trans your kids.1.00
00:48:09.000And the Democrats want to know that would be crazy.0.61
00:50:00.000But it was also true that the Red Cross had stations that were set up where people give people maps, tell them how to get in.
00:50:07.000That once people did get in, they were given plane tickets, they were given EBT cards, they were given cell phones, they were put up in luxury hotels.
00:50:27.000Seems a little odd that you get a large portion of them set up in Ohio and set up in a bunch of these different places, like the Haitians in Ohio, it's a famous part.0.96
00:50:35.000But it's like there's clearly an incentive.0.98
00:50:55.000So, if you just flood a place that you're already in control with illegal immigrants that you're paying for, this isn't rocket science.1.00
00:51:05.000That's going to help you stay in power.1.00
00:51:12.000So, Kamala Harris was recently talking about how they need to add more people to the Supreme Court and then they need to turn DC and Puerto Rico into states.
00:52:06.000Some people say it's because of underreporting, which is an issue because, especially in places like Los Angeles, no one gives a fuck if you get robbed.0.99
00:52:15.000No one gives a fuck if your car gets broken into.0.99
00:52:33.000What happened was the same policies that you fucking people keep voting for keep going further and further and further and further down the line.0.99
00:52:41.000And the further they go, the more things get shitty.0.99
00:52:44.000And no one wants to change because you're in a cult.0.87
00:53:08.000And one thing that I remember this conversation I had with an Uber driver, and he was talking to me, and he said to me, Look, when you go on the pods, because I follow your pod and I listen to Joe and I follow all these pods, please tell people that Venezuelan people, we're not criminals.
00:53:26.000We're not people coming here to cause trouble.
00:53:28.000The vast majority of us only want to come here to work.
00:53:31.000And he goes, But those are the people who do it legally.
00:53:34.000The other people who come in, now I'm sure that some of them just want to come in, a lot of them want to come in just for a better life.0.92
00:53:40.000But you're also allowing a portion of people to come in who are criminals, who are going to cause trouble, and that's going to give a bad reputation to every single Venezuelan person who is here.0.88
00:53:52.000Because the moment you hear Venezuelan, you think, oh, Tren de Aragua, which is the very famous gang, which was causing huge amounts of problems in America, drug runnings, killings, gang activity.0.55
00:54:04.000So immediately, when you think of a Venezuelan, you go, oh, Tren de Aragua.0.83
00:54:08.000You don't think of the guy who's coming along, who's going to work for you, who's going to drive your Uber, who's just doing what he can to make ends meet.0.87
00:54:16.000Now, let me ask you this Do you think that allowing the illegals in and the criminals in, not just the illegals, let's say, because everyone who comes in that doesn't do it the right way is illegal.0.73
00:54:27.000So allowing criminals to come through as well, knowing that this will increase violent crime, do you think that that is just an unintended side effect?0.70
00:54:38.000Of the goal they're trying to achieve, which is get more congressional seats, control districts, make it so that the other party can't win?
00:54:47.000Or do you think that they have calculated this and said that this would probably be a way that we can institute much more control, like flock cameras, and have the ability to tap into people's phones, find out if they're doing illegal activity, and that people will actually allow us to do this because we'll do it under the premise that we're making the streets safe again?
00:55:09.000Trevor Burrus And it's probably quite hard to separate the criminals from the non criminals as well.
00:55:13.000If the border is open, then they just come back.
00:55:15.000Trevor Burrus The other thing we had Andrew Yang on recently, and this is where it gets even Worse because one of the reasons he left the sort of conventional Republican Democratic Party model was he said, Actually, neither party wants to solve the problem.
00:55:29.000And he was saying, Some Republicans will deliberately avoid allowing Democrats to close the border because it gives them something to run on.
00:55:58.000See, this is where I think the left has a lot of very good points, actually, which is the accumulation of power within big corporations and government.
00:56:06.000That's why when I was younger, I always thought of myself, and I haven't really changed my opinions very much, I thought of myself as being on the left because the more actually we do our show and the more people we speak to who are in positions to know, the more I'm just confronted by how much.
00:56:21.000Behavior in that part of our society is driven by greed and not morality.
00:56:53.000And it's also a part of the culture of those groups of people, right?
00:56:57.000Like, there's a diffusion of responsibility aspect of being a part of a corporation that's doing things that are fucked up.
00:57:03.000Like, say, if you're working for a corporation and they manufacture something, and you find out that these people are dumping some sort of toxic waste in the third world.0.59
01:00:56.000But the issue is the incentives are baked all the way through.
01:01:00.000Like when I wrote my book, Uneducated, I remember people saying to me, Oh, you're going to write about the culture wars in education, talking about how the culture wars affected you in your classroom.0.97
01:01:11.000I was like, Mate, I was teaching in a fucking ghetto in East London.0.57
01:01:15.000We didn't have time to talk about decolonization.0.99
01:01:37.000But the moment you know that by doing that, you're going to forsake a large part of what, of outrage, you know, interest in what you do because you're not playing that game.
01:02:22.000You realize, I know it sounds kind of hacky, but when your platform goes to a size up, we're about to hit 2 million subscribers now.0.96
01:02:30.000And you do an interview, you think, oh fuck, like we've got real responsibility here.0.72
01:02:34.000If somebody says something that is actually, you know, that you think isn't right, it's your duty to challenge them.0.97
01:02:41.000It's also your duty to make sure that the interview is prepped properly so that when they have their arguments, you can go, Well, actually, what about this?
01:03:58.000It can hijack your concentration in that way, it can hijack your attention.
01:04:03.000But also, what's more fulfilling is getting your brain stimulated in a positive way, or at least an intriguing way, something that really makes you think about things.
01:04:12.000I love when I listen to a podcast, I listen to a conversation, and I carry that thought with me.
01:04:17.000Like, I'll shut the radio off and I'm driving.
01:05:50.000I think maybe the one thing that, that, Push them in that direction just as just watching it is he kind of got his family involved, so a lot of it would be like him with the kids going to places.
01:05:59.000I imagine if you never fully signed up for 20 million subscriber fame, right?
01:06:05.000And you're a five year old or a 10 year old, or you now you're an 18 year old, that's a whole different ballgame, yeah.
01:06:12.000And that's probably extremely disconcerting and unpleasant.
01:06:15.000Well, I don't think that's wise, I don't think that's wise enough to do that, yeah.
01:06:18.000I mean, when I see people getting their children involved in their television shows, I'm like, please don't do that, yeah.0.94
01:06:24.000So, like, you didn't ask them, and they're going to have to go to school and then deal with the consequences of it and all the bullshit that comes.0.93
01:06:31.000I mean, it's a pretty straightforward show.1.00
01:06:33.000The guy's just like, you know, camping in a fucking igloo.1.00
01:08:09.000You're supposed to have it from your family, and then the way you behave is supposed to dictate how people treat you in the real world and what you're good at.
01:08:18.000So, like, maybe if you're good at art or you're good at music, people are like, Jimmy, I love how you play guitar.
01:08:24.000And then, so then people like you for that.
01:08:26.000And then you like, you want more of that.
01:08:48.000And you don't go through that at all when.
01:08:51.000You're a nine year old and you're on the set of a television show that's in your name, and then everyone around you is catering to you.1.00
01:10:36.000And also, with the child star thing, is you have all of this success, which is more success than the vast majority of people will ever encounter in their life.
01:10:45.000And you're done by the time you're 16 because you fundamentally change the way you look.
01:10:49.000So you've now become an adolescent with all the awkwardness and the horrificness that goes through all of our teenage years.
01:11:52.000One of the most striking things about Tutankhamun was his parentage.
01:11:55.000A 2010 DNA study concluded that his parents were probably brother and sister.
01:12:00.000The researchers identify his father as most likely Pharaoh Akhenaten and his mother as an unnamed mummy known as the Younger Lady, and that was probably his sister.
01:12:12.000The body differed from the idealized royal image.
01:12:15.000Researchers reported a club foot and damage to bones in his foot, suggesting he had difficulty walking.
01:12:21.000Walking sticks found in his tomb support that interpretation.
01:12:25.000These are medical interpretations of ancient remains rather than a complete, certain picture of his health.
01:12:31.000He became king around age nine, died around 18 or 19.
01:12:36.000Exact cause of death remains uncertain.
01:12:37.000Researchers detected malaria parasite DNA and proposed that malaria, bone problems, and a fractured leg may have contributed to.
01:12:46.000Not any single cause was conclusively established.
01:12:48.000Apparently, the reason why they found his tomb versus all the other pharaoh tombs that had long been looted was that he was very disrespected, and that once they buried him and they put him in his tomb, they covered it with rubble so that no one could visit it.
01:14:53.000That aligns with the Sumerian Kings List, too, which is also super fucking strange.
01:14:59.000The Sumerian Kings List has the same sort of properties where you have exceptions.
01:15:04.000Historical figures that are later that live a normal lifespan, but then when you go way, way back, you have kings that are ruling for 35,000 years.
01:15:15.000Isn't it the same in the Bible where it's all like way extended?
01:15:18.000So is that maybe just a language thing or like a short calculation?
01:17:03.000You know, one of the interesting things is when you actually go to Egypt is genuinely how much we don't know about that, about their civilization, the engineering, how they constructed the pyramids.
01:17:14.000I remember I went to the temple of Abu Simbel.
01:17:17.000I don't know if you've ever seen this temple.
01:17:22.000And there's a certain point in time during the day where there is a beam of light that comes into the temple and it lights, I think it's at the altar.
01:17:46.000When you're dealing with how far they moved the stone, how they quarried the stone, what tools they used, there's also real clear evidence of ancient tool use.
01:17:58.000And not just tool use, but high speed drills, some sort of unknown technology that seems to be able to scoop sections out of rock.
01:18:11.000It looks like it was moving far quicker than what they would achieve with copper and sand and friction and all the different.
01:18:20.000Theories that people have proposed to how they did it, it doesn't make any sense.
01:18:23.000It doesn't make any sense, and I think it's way older than they think it is.
01:19:09.000It might be 10,000 years old, might be 12,000 years old.
01:19:12.000It also might be newer than some of the other stuff that's there, which is even crazier.
01:19:16.000Then you have the stuff that's underground, and you go, hey, like the things that they know about, like the labyrinths that they've discovered, that Herodotus wrote about, these enormous labyrinths that he said was greater than the spectacle of Giza, like greater than the pyramids.
01:19:34.000He said underground was even more preposterous.
01:19:37.000You know, and going back to our religious conversation, I never knew this.
01:19:41.000So I went to an exhibition at the British Museum where they were talking about the ancient Greek Empire took over the ancient Egyptian Empire.
01:20:23.000You know, and it's kind of a genius solution because you could still worship your Greek gods, they could still worship their Egyptian gods, but there was a god in the middle that everyone could worship.
01:20:32.000Well, that's an age old tactic, right?0.70
01:20:35.000I mean, this is sort of how Constantine pushed Christianity through Rome.0.92
01:20:40.000You know, it's like, got to bring everybody on the same page.0.96
01:21:05.000Dan Carlin had this great take on him where he was saying that if you, historians today, Talk about Genghis Khan as like a Genghis Khan, there was a lot of positive aspects to his empire.
01:21:17.000And one of the things that he opened up trade to the east, like, right, also killed 10% of the population.
01:21:26.000Like, it's kind of crazy that one of the biggest mass murderers in the history of the human race documented is also thought about in the positive impacts that he had on civilization.
01:21:37.000Well, it's funny, I took my dad to Uzbekistan because my dad would grow up in Uzbekistan and I lived in Uzbekistan for four years.
01:21:42.000So we did like a father and son trip there.
01:21:44.000When you get to Uzbekistan, you get to Tashkent, right in the heart of the city, there's this giant statue of Tamerlane, Timur the Lame.
01:21:53.000See, most people don't even know who the guy was.
01:21:55.000He was basically like a mini Genghis Khan.0.99
01:21:58.000And they're not decolonializing that shit.1.00
01:23:11.000Here's the interesting bit as well The Battle of Stalingrad was the turning point in the war.0.90
01:23:18.000So, the Soviet Union, I don't know if you remember this, but the Soviet Union was basically getting its ass kicked for the first year and a half of the war.
01:23:26.000Absolutely steamrolled, million men army surrendering en masse.0.99
01:23:31.000They got as far as the gates of Moscow.0.99
01:23:34.000If you go to Moscow, there's these three giant tank traps outside.0.84
01:23:37.000That's how close the Germans came.0.82
01:23:39.000And a lot of historians actually argue that if Hitler had taken Moscow, which he was very capable of doing, if he didn't make mistakes, that would have been it.0.83
01:25:12.000They knocked civilizations back to the Stone Age.
01:25:15.000There's a famous story that Dan Carlin talks about, it's one of the scariest ones.0.79
01:25:20.000The Shah of Khwarizma sent an envoy to go to visit Jin China.
01:25:26.000And as he's making his way to Jin China, they see what they think is a snow capped mountain in the distance.
01:25:33.000That, as they get closer, it turns out to be a pile of bones.
01:25:37.000And that Genghis Khan had arrived before they got there and killed everyone in the town, everyone in the city, and stacked their bones on over a million people, stacked their bones on top of each other.
01:26:15.000Then he opened up and traded the list.
01:26:19.000You know, that's why we love interviewing historians so much on our show because when you talk to historians, you go, Oh, number one, what we're going through like, people have been going through this since a year, Doc.
01:26:30.000Yeah, and you just get to understand so much more not only about your society, but also about yourself and human nature and who we are as people.
01:26:40.000Like, you know, we always talk about these are unprecedented times, nothing like this has happened before.
01:26:45.000But you go through history and you talk to a historian, and I'm like, Well, it's kind of similar to 1823 when you look about it because.
01:26:51.000A, B, C, D, E, and F, or whatever it may be.
01:27:12.000And it's essentially, he's talking about how society is changing so quickly because of technology and culture shifting radically and people are so anxious.
01:27:22.000In 1952, I believe it was, and you read it and it applies totally today, and you realize, like, oh, there's never been a time where everybody's like, life is great.
01:27:31.000And then we have this nostalgic view back to those days, going, oh, back in those days when I was a boy, the milkman came and he delivered your milk and everything was beautiful and everybody believed in God and there was no problems.
01:28:04.000I mean, if you look at it, we can talk about Gen Z and not as resilient and all of that shit, which is true.0.98
01:28:11.000But also the way we're raising children now, like when I think about the way my parents and grandparents were raised in the Soviet Union like animals.1.00
01:28:39.000So the world has improved in so many ways, but we are in the age of anxiety and insecurity because, I mean, you say, Francis, you know, all of this has happened before.
01:29:04.000I'm a little concerned about what might happen post midterm.
01:29:09.000And one of the rumblings that I'm hearing is after the midterms, the United States might start attacking Iran again.
01:29:18.000I don't know if this is true or if this is just speculation, but good Lord, I hope it's not true.
01:29:24.000So I don't know what it is, but I'm really concerned because this whole Iran thing is like we're at war, but no one talks about it anymore.
01:29:31.000It's been this stagnated thing in the media.
01:29:34.000And what is going on with the Strait of Hormuz?
01:29:36.000Boats are getting through, but they have to be ushered.0.99
01:29:40.000They have to be guided by battleships and shit.0.99
01:29:44.000Are they fighting off people all the time?1.00
01:29:52.000If they did it right now, they'd get crushed in the midterms, and there's a lot of speculation they're already going to lose in the midterms.
01:30:00.000If they're waiting until after that's over before they do this, things could get real ugly.
01:30:13.000Our defense minister came out and when he was speech, I can't remember the exact context or where the speech was being held, but he was talking about how we need to start, how British people need to start stockpiling.
01:30:27.000He did say, he said three days worth of whatever, but it kind of makes sense because our infrastructure is very vulnerable and we haven't built a lot of the shit that we should have been building because we're very green and all of this other stuff.
01:30:39.000But isn't three days the modern version of two weeks to stop the spread?0.53
01:31:32.000When I read the original term of geopolitics, it's sort of widely used to talk about different countries, but it's really about resources and geology.
01:32:42.000Well, and for Russia, the reason they feel so passionate about it is I think we've talked about this before 80% of all the shit that matters in Russia is in the westernmost 20% of the country.0.98
01:33:47.000Bang, bang, got it done, kick some ass.1.00
01:33:49.000So when the 2000s came around after 9 11 and we went back into Iraq, I don't think anybody expected it was going to be this prolonged shit show that it became.0.99
01:34:00.000I think the people supported it because they thought, yeah.0.95
01:34:10.000But it's also this idea that you could bring democracy to Iraq, you know, a country that has never had democracy, that doesn't understand it.0.99
01:34:18.000And even in our own countries, like the UK, it took a long time for us to get democracy.
01:34:24.000Well, you think we're so special that we're going to go over there and go, hey, guys, we've got this magic system.
01:34:29.000Everyone's going to go, yeah, that's great.
01:35:15.000How effectively America trapped itself in this situation, particularly with the Strait of Hormuz.0.80
01:35:21.000And actually, his argument is now, look, I can't judge whether it's true or false, but so far, everything he said to us worked out this has put Iran on the path to become a regional hegemon.0.76
01:35:33.000They are now going to be in a position where they're way more powerful than they were before this conflict started.0.65
01:37:54.000They're watching this and going, every day that this goes on, we've got more leverage.
01:37:59.000And it's in their interest to carry on that until they get the deal they want, which is get American bases out of the Middle East entirely.
01:38:08.000Well, they've already fucked up the American bases in the Middle East to a point where it's going to take decades to fix them, right?
01:38:26.000And you've got to think how much destruction.
01:38:29.000We're not seeing videos where they're detailing all the different things that happen.
01:38:34.000And from what I hear, it's pretty extensive.
01:38:36.000And the problem with this asymmetrical warfare.
01:38:40.000The problem with drone bombing, the problem with all this stuff is that it's like regular countermeasures don't seem to work.
01:38:49.000You know, like what they figured out in Ukraine, where they're using the monofilament line to control these drones, so you can't even use anti drone weapons.
01:39:01.000And so if you have an air base and like the attack that the Ukrainians did on the Russians where they blew up all those planes, like that's kind of wild that you can go in there and do.0.59
01:39:10.000Billions of dollars worth of damage in one night.0.56
01:39:13.000It's like, this is a different world we're living in.
01:39:15.000We're not living in a world where it's just you have to launch missiles.
01:39:18.000They see the missiles coming, they shoot them out of the sky with the Iron Dome.
01:39:23.000Drone technology has changed everything.
01:39:26.000One of the things that I love about our job is that we get to meet so many interesting people, either because they've been on the show or just because their friends are friends.
01:39:34.000I was talking to an ex special forces guy and I said to him, Could we put, I said, I don't agree with this, but could we put boots on the ground in Iran?
01:41:11.000Because he was told, you're going to go in there, we're going to get Zelensky out, we're going to land paratroopers in Hostomel, land all our shit, everybody's, and the people are going to rise up and support us, which is exactly what they said about Iran, by the way, right?0.65
01:42:15.000You know, and then you can go in there and have that too as your list of accomplishments.0.95
01:42:21.000And if someone's blowing enough smoke up your ass, and if you believe it, and we all know that Israel tried to get a bunch of different presidents to try to do the same thing.0.93
01:42:32.000I mean, they tried to do it with the Obama administration.0.99
01:42:57.000And I think that's where there's a divergence between the foreign policy interest of Israel and the foreign policy interest of the United States and the world, right?
01:43:06.000I understand why different countries pursue their own interests, but it's the job of the American presidential administration to do what's right for America.
01:44:05.000Well, you, or you have to, I mean, I thought the best way out here was for Trump to do what Trump does, which is, To sell a deal that he did with Iran.0.99
01:44:17.000And that deal probably would have been worse than what was in place before because you just bombed the shit out of their country.0.96
01:44:22.000They're angry, a little bit unhappy about that.0.98
01:44:25.000But you do a deal with them and then you just go, this is the greatest deal ever.
01:44:45.000It doesn't seem like it would be a good idea to have a regime that kills their own citizens if they protest.
01:44:52.000It doesn't seem like they would be the kind of people that you would want to be able to just kill enormous groups of people with one missile.0.69
01:44:58.000And that's really the question because I understand that logic, which is why I understand the Israeli position, which is like these guys want to kill us.0.59
01:45:06.000We can't have them have a nuclear weapon.
01:45:07.000And I understand a lot of Americans would also agree with that.
01:47:04.000How Doing this conflict this way would achieve non nuclear Iran.0.88
01:47:10.000In fact, it seems to me now inevitably, if you're Iran, you do everything you can to survive, and then you do everything you possibly can to get a nuke as quickly as possible so that this can never happen again.0.90
01:47:38.000I'm just not sure this was the right way to do it.
01:47:41.000And it became very quickly apparent to us early on in this conflict that that was going to be the case.
01:47:46.000What do you think could have been the right way to do it?
01:47:49.000If you ask Robert Pape, he says something like you've got to have regional balancing.
01:47:54.000So you've got to strengthen Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
01:47:57.000So there's some kind of balance in the region and no one wants to escalate the whole region to nuclear level.
01:48:03.000I don't know enough to say whether that's right or wrong.0.62
01:48:05.000And I think that's the real big question here how do How are you supposed to get Iran to not have nuclear weapons?0.65
01:48:11.000And maybe the truth here is, Joe, once this thing has been invented, eventually people are going to get it.
01:48:19.000You know, Iran is not, they're not some shitty little country in the middle of nowhere.
01:48:22.000It's a giant country which has control over a huge amount of its own natural resources, but also then one of the biggest arteries in the world for energy and fertilizer and gas and plastic and all of that stuff.
01:48:35.000You know, maybe the reality here is that there's no way that.
01:48:40.000You can maybe extend it, you can do deals, but ultimately they are going to get them.
01:48:52.000And one of the things that's interesting as well is that you look at countries that have had an empire, they still have this sense of pride and honor in themselves.
01:50:50.000Surface to air missile systems have been deployed at Mar a Lago and Donald Trump International Airport at the request of the U.S. Secret Service.
01:50:57.000I didn't even know there was a Donald Trump International Airport.
01:51:01.000The spokesperson said the agency is operating in a heightened threat environment.
01:51:06.000So I think something's about to go down.
01:51:08.000And I mean, when you go super kooky, tighten up that tinfoil hat, people think that it's a false flag and that this is so we will support this and that.
01:51:22.000But I do know that if you keep fucking around, one day you find out.0.99
01:51:26.000And it seems like we've been fucking around.0.98
01:51:28.000And it seems like they're telling us, hey, you might want to store some food in case we have to find out.0.79
01:51:34.000What's fascinating to me is how, because we don't live in the U.S., so we come here a couple of times a year.
01:51:40.000We see you, we do a bunch of interviews.
01:51:41.000I remember being here two years ago on the eve of the presidential election, and everybody in Austin was like, You guys are going to LA next?
01:51:52.000No, no, there's going to be riots, it's going to be crazy.
01:52:52.000That is actually legitimately a very good point.
01:52:54.000It's so hard for people on the left to accept this.
01:52:56.000And I have friends that are very left, and I talk to them about paid protesters, and they push back.
01:53:02.000I'm like, listen, man, you just got to understand.
01:53:04.000When you see those vans pull up, and you see those signs come out, and those signs are already printed out, In advance, and this is about an event that just happened 24 hours ago.
01:53:13.000What's the odds that someone's not paying for all this?
01:53:16.000And then when you talk to people that actually say they are paid to protest, and there's people that show up at every protest, and those people make a living protesting.
01:55:06.000And I just wonder in an alternative reality if Trump does Venezuela and then doesn't do this or does Cuba next and it's like Venezuela and it's just like you lock down your hemisphere, you get the easy wins.
01:55:41.000Because even the ICE stuff look, most people in this country don't like the idea of a militarized police force with no identification, just pulling people over.
01:56:03.000You're allowed to have a militarized Police force with masks on and they don't have any identification and they're snatching up people and some of them happen to be American citizens.
01:56:12.000Like, if you're supporting this, you're like, I gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.0.98
01:56:17.000Okay, well, you just opened up the fucking hen house and now the chickens are running all over the place.0.99
01:56:22.000Like, you could do whatever you want now.0.99
01:56:24.000If you're allowing that and that's normalized in society, that's not good.1.00
01:56:29.000But at the same point, you do have a bunch of very dangerous criminals, the trend to Aragua people, there's a lot of.0.95
01:56:36.000Different gangs that have gotten in and they're setting up illegal activities and kidnappings and all kinds of shit, cartel violence inside American borders.0.97
01:57:18.000It's going to prioritize American people because we've got real issues in this country that we need to sort out.0.99
01:57:25.000And the problem is, when you do Iran, what you say to people is, it's just more of the same.0.94
01:57:32.000It doesn't matter who you vote for, you're still going to get these types of wars.0.85
01:57:37.000And so, what happens is that people then feel more and more disenfranchised, that they're not connected, that it doesn't matter who they vote for, you're undermining democracy.
01:57:46.000And that's a really dangerous place to be because once people feel that democracy doesn't represent them, then they start disengaging.
02:01:02.000I remember I used to go to the coffee shop when I was doing, when I was writing for stand up, and I got a, I had a, I got to know a guy who ran the coffee shop.
02:01:45.000He goes, look, Francis, you know, when you argue with somebody from the West who has grown up surrounded by this, and you're saying about communism, they can't understand it, they can't comprehend it.
02:01:59.000It's like saying to a really rich kid, look, don't walk down that alley, don't walk down it at night because something's bad going to happen to you.
02:02:06.000He goes, the only way they will ever truly understand is if they walk down the alley, they get hit on the back of the head, they feel the taste of blood in their mouth, that's when they get it.
02:02:16.000Until then, I hate to break it to you, but you're fighting a losing bout.
02:02:21.000And I'm talking as someone who grew up in Cuba, whose most of their family is Cuban, and have tried this time and time again.
02:02:27.000There is a part of me that is slightly fatalistic that goes sometimes people need to see the mistakes for themselves.
02:02:35.000You have to fall down, you have to hurt your knees to realize, like, oh, don't do that.
02:02:40.000I also think we have to be honest and say that there is a thing going on in a lot of Western societies where if you had assets and 2006, before the great financial crash, you've done very well for the last 20 years.
02:02:56.000But if you didn't, your ability to buy a house, to pay off your student loans, all of that, it's become more difficult.
02:03:03.000And it's why that portion of society who feel that they've been locked out are feeling like they don't have a stake because they don't have a stake in society.
02:03:13.000And that's when this kind of thing happens.
02:03:17.000And I think that's something people on the right, And people like us who, I mean, I think communism is the most evil ideology that's ever been tried, just numerically speaking.
02:03:28.000But you have to make sure that it's not looking after people, because what we do in Britain, we just go, here's a handout, you know, you don't need to work, just here's some money, shut the fuck up, right?0.99
02:03:40.000But what you have to do is make sure that society feels fair to everybody or to as great a number of people as possible and that there's opportunity to advance.
02:03:49.000And for our generation, we are now in our early 40s now.
02:03:52.000For our generation, like Joe, if we hadn't started trigonometry and haven't had the amazing success that we've had, that we're so grateful for, we'd be in that same boat.
02:04:02.000We'd be in the exactly same boat and we'd be struggling now, going like this thing, it doesn't work anymore.
02:04:09.000And I think that's where a lot of this stuff is coming from.
02:04:12.000So, yes, it's one of the things that I think people in the AI world don't really think about enough.
02:04:20.000What happens when, even if we don't, if we even if we accept that actually in the long run, Jobs aren't going to all disappear.
02:04:27.000And like all technology, you create new jobs with it and all.
02:04:31.000In the interim, it's going to get very disruptive.
02:04:35.000And in that time, I really think Andrew Yang was onto something when he talked about the need to find a way.
02:04:42.000Yes, you're creating all this beautiful wealth.
02:04:44.000These five companies are creating all the wealth.
02:04:47.000But you've got to find a way that the rest of society feels like they've got a shot as well.
02:04:55.000And unless we do that, I think this path down to where a lot of people feel really locked out and angry and frustrated and betrayed, I think that it's understandable that this is.
02:06:00.000And so when you combine that and also the other things they've been taught for generations now is to hate their own society, its history, its culture.
02:06:07.000You put all that together, it's a dangerous mix.
02:06:22.000How do we make sure they are included again?
02:06:25.000Yeah, well, if you ask the AI people, it's going to get super weird because the universal high income thing that you hear Elon talk about would be that every citizen in the United States would have a stake in artificial intelligence and that you would get, just like if you live in Alaska, you get money from the oil companies, you get a check.
02:06:50.000People, maybe people don't know this, but if you live in Alaska, you just get a check.
02:07:00.000Let's find out how many people in Alaska get it and what's the parameters.
02:07:03.000You know, if you live on Native American reservations, like they get checks.
02:07:08.000If you're Native American, you know, you can get a check.0.56
02:07:12.000If you're a part of a tribe that has a casino, you know, you get a piece of the casino.
02:07:16.000And this is kind of what's going on with the United States when it comes to The consequences of AI and taking over automation, taking over jobs, taking over shipping, taking over commercial truck driving.
02:08:10.000You're proud to be useful and you get great satisfaction out of your occupation.
02:08:16.000If all of a sudden your occupation is automated and you don't exist anymore, massive amounts of depression, massive amounts of drug addiction, and then you just give them a Check.
02:08:25.000I don't know if that's going to be enough.
02:08:26.000Well, to your point about Native American reservations, from what I understand, the kind of social outcomes of that are not great.
02:10:40.000And unless that problem, unless we as a society work out a way to do that, you don't have to be a genius to work out that's not a recipe for a stable, healthy society.
02:10:51.000So I'll give you an example of something.
02:10:56.000So when I was teaching, I taught a kid, he was very low ability.
02:11:26.000And I was giving him what I thought was a punishment.
02:11:28.000I said, Chris, you see all the pencils in the classroom, every single pencil, I'm talking about coloured pencils, I'm talking about ordinary, I want them sharpened and I want them perfect because we've got an art lesson after lunch.
02:12:14.000The real question is Is it possible to teach people differently in school?
02:12:18.000So instead of teaching people facts that they need to memorize and having to sit in a chair and making sure that you're doing everything that you're told, because someday you're going to have to have a job and you're going to have to learn how to behave this way, is it possible that you could teach people listen, money is not the problem anymore.
02:12:36.000Resources, in terms of your ability to feed yourself and put a roof over your head, that's not an issue anymore.
02:12:42.000Now your life is about pursuing your interests.
02:12:46.000But we have to teach people that from the jump.
02:12:48.000We have to teach people that from the time they're very young.
02:12:51.000The older people that are set in their ways, they're going to have a very difficult time changing and adapting.
02:12:58.000And then also, people are going to have a very hard time having the same kind of motivation that people have when they grow up poor.
02:13:07.000Growing up poor is a superpower because it gives you a motivation, like a drive, that I don't think you get if you're a trust fund kid and your parents are worth a lot of money.
02:13:14.000So, we're going to have to teach people to have internal motivation.
02:13:19.000And we're going to have to teach people that there is a great benefit to doing things that you don't want to do and then seeing the result, to just putting off any sort of enjoyment that you might possibly have in the present time so that you can have more enjoyment in the future because you did that, you sacrificed, and you figured something out.
02:13:42.000We have to teach them that way of thinking.
02:13:45.000If you could teach them that, listen, man, you don't have to worry about money anymore, but that doesn't mean you don't have to worry about life.
02:13:52.000That you can find that you can do with your life.
02:13:55.000But now do those things and get a sense of purpose from you learning about yourself while you're pursuing whatever it is, whether it's becoming an author or whether it's making things, whatever it is.
02:14:06.000Find a thing that you like and then teach people how to find the thing that interests them rather than finding just some menial bullshit job that's going to keep them depressed and just barely pay their bills.
02:16:12.000What about the idea that something that the human race has created no longer makes it necessary for you to do a job anymore?
02:16:21.000Now, instead of worrying about hunting and gathering food, the next stage of being a human is pursuing interests.
02:16:29.000I mean, it could be a gigantic experience.
02:16:31.000Explosion of creativity and of innovation and art, and who knows what people can do, especially with the access to technology that we have today and all the different things that people can put.
02:16:44.000We're just assuming that this way that we live that sucks, that everybody hates, is the only way to live.
02:16:53.000I mean, clearly I'm biased because clearly I went through all those processes of being poor and struggling and figuring out a way in life and then trying a bunch of very difficult things that other people avoided and finding a path.
02:17:06.000But I don't know if that's the only way to live.
02:17:11.000I think there's a competitive drive in people that exists no matter what.
02:17:16.000And if we're not competing over finances anymore, maybe we'll compete over art or accomplishments or creativity or fill in the blank, like whatever you decide to pursue.
02:17:28.000And of course, you're probably going to make more money doing that on top of the money you already get.
02:17:33.000It's not like we're going to go into a full communist state where the entire population only get $500,000 a year.
02:17:40.000We take from the billionaires, we distribute evenly.
02:18:54.000Because he realized that he still needed something.
02:18:58.000He still needed to achieve something.0.66
02:19:00.000But because, in our own kind of fucked up way, we see playing an elite sport as somehow less than building something, that it's lesser than.
02:19:11.000But he's actually found a purpose by doing that.0.99
02:19:14.000Well, it's interesting that you would never go up to someone who's working as an electrician and go, look at you, fucking loser, working as an electrician.0.97
02:19:21.000But if that person had been a movie star and then, you know, stopped doing movies and said, I think I'd rather be an electrician, then.0.99
02:19:28.000Where you're allowed to talk shit about them.1.00
02:19:33.000One of the biggest problems we have is we're not teaching people how to think.0.98
02:19:36.000Or I don't want to say teaching people how to think, but informing them on the more beneficial ways to construct your life through thoughts.0.99
02:19:47.000And instead, we're allowing these stupid kind of like that kind of like tear them all down behavior to go unchecked.0.99
02:19:56.000You know how transparently, pathetically jealous that is?0.99
02:19:59.000To want to go up to a guy who is like an elite soccer player and you're upset because he has a job that's like yours?0.99
02:20:06.000You know how fucking nuts that is?0.99
02:20:25.000And also, let's be honest, if you haven't got to where you've got to, where you wanted to in life and you haven't got the status that you want, It's kind of satisfying for some people to see someone else fall down.
02:20:51.000So it's very normal for people to start a business, business doesn't work, they start the next one, doesn't work, start the next one, it pops.
02:20:58.000And actually, I was seeing stats, I can't remember where I got it.
02:21:02.000But I think with every business you start and fail, it increases your chance of succeeding.
02:21:08.000Well, not it increases, but by the time you start the third business, your chance of that business being successful is significantly higher than the first one.
02:21:16.000I think this is Elizabeth Holmes' strategy when she gets out of jail.
02:21:21.000By the way, her husband lives in town, lives in Austin.
02:21:25.000So we might be seeing her at the mothership one day.
02:21:32.000But I think it's a really important thing, and I think we should all talk about our failures more because it's part of the journey.
02:23:32.000And for a lot of people, their self esteem can't handle it and they never go through that process.
02:23:36.000But if you could force yourself to go through that process, it's one of the very best processes of a failure and then learning from failure and then you get a little bit better and then more failure and then learning and then a little bit and you keep going.
02:23:49.000And you realize, like, oh, this is a journey.
02:23:51.000And along this journey, I can apply these same principles to essentially anything in my life.0.98
02:23:57.000And get better just even about just being a human, just better at being a human, realizing the dumb shit that you do that sabotages your life or fucks up your diet or gets you drinking again, whatever it is.0.92
02:24:10.000You can apply the same strategy that you learned to get good at jujitsu to anything in life.0.93
02:24:15.000You know, I remember when I was nearly 10 years ago, I was opening for Eddie Izzard on his European tour.
02:24:24.000And I remember people go to me like, who's like one of your biggest influences?
02:24:54.000So did the dressing like the chick turn it all around?
02:24:57.000No, I think what actually turned it around is that he was just, and when I spoke to him, he was like, look, I was relentlessly driven and focused.
02:25:04.000I knew that this was what I wanted to do.
02:25:07.000I knew that this is what I wanted to achieve.
02:25:09.000And what was happening is that at the beginning, it wasn't working for me.
02:25:14.000So I needed to change in order to get to where I wanted to go.0.99
02:25:18.000But I know he likes dressing like a woman.1.00
02:25:36.000But the point is, like, That is what he enjoys doing, and to stop him from doing that in the past, maybe allowed him to be freer on stage, which allowed him to be better on stage.
02:25:45.000Because it is a journey of self discovery when you try to figure out what is it about your act that doesn't work?
02:25:50.000What is it about this that people are not buying?
02:25:53.000And maybe that was a part of it for him.
02:25:55.000Maybe it was a part, but he was also trying to do something radically different at the time that nobody else was doing.
02:26:01.000But once he nailed it, he kind of just exploded for him.
02:26:05.000But I always remember that lesson that I took from him, which was.1.00
02:26:09.000You've got to go through the shit.1.00
02:27:59.000And in this TikTok generation where everybody wants everything to happen really quickly you want to be an influencer, you want to get famous, you want to get this, you want to get that.
02:28:11.000There's this desire to have something happen to you very quickly versus the satisfaction that you get from knowing, like, the Jiu Jitsu Mountain.
02:28:34.000We often talk about this, you know, with our show, because sometimes we're doing interviews with people where, like, this is a serious thing that we're doing here.
02:28:44.000If you had catapulted us when we started the show into the position of interviewing that person, we wouldn't know what the fuck to do and we would screw it up very badly.0.94
02:29:10.000All of that stuff you learn along the way.
02:29:13.000And if you haven't got the miles on the clock up till that point, being parachuted into that position, this is why it's actually probably very, very hard to like start a TV show and get the right talent or whatever because they haven't got the miles on the clock to actually be able to do the job.
02:29:32.000That gives you the ability to actually perform at a high level because you've been there, you've fucked up, you've made mistakes, you've learned from them, you've grown as a person, you've become more humble.
02:29:42.000The process of doing stuff humbles you, like you said, because you go, Oh, wait, I had this idea and it totally didn't work.
02:29:49.000Maybe I need to revise how I think about this.
02:29:51.000And I think life is just this one long lesson in what you talked about, which is deferred gratification.
02:29:57.000I'm going to give up pleasure or comfort.
02:30:04.000You get comfortable, and it's a lot more comfortable to sit at home on the sofa.
02:30:09.000It's terrible for you, but it's comfortable.
02:30:11.000And it's overcoming that and learning to get out of your comfort zone.
02:30:15.000Like all the good stuff, it's on the other side of that.
02:30:17.000That's going to be the real problem with giving people universal high income.
02:30:21.000Is that like people don't like to just leave comfort, and they're not going to want to do anything other than just take the money that they get and then, I don't know, party.
02:30:37.000We've never talked about it, but I imagine there's been times when your life in your life when you've gone down that route, you've taken some time to just veg, you know, and you do it for a bit and it, you know, you play a video game for a week non stop and you're just immersed in that and whatever.
02:31:05.000Having this universal high income or universal basic income or whatever, people will get to the point where they go, Actually, this has been fun.
02:31:15.000A lot of people spend their 20s doing that.
02:32:56.000I bet there's a long transitional period because people have been ingrained to certain types of behaviors and actions and they have personality flaws they've developed over the years.
02:33:05.000But once society settles into the concept, I bet crime radically gets reduced.
02:33:11.000You mean like acquisitive crime stealing?
02:33:30.000But once society settles, and then there's not a haves and haves not situation at the same extreme that we have today, because the extreme that we have today, not as much in this country because it's kind of thought of as the land of opportunity, but there's a lot of countries where, like, if you don't have, you will never have, and this is just how it goes.
02:33:49.000If that becomes something that's adopted and employed by all nations, is that the amount of wealth it generates is so fucking extreme that and jobs are gone and that people now have money.
02:34:02.000But you never have to worry about working.
02:34:04.000So the fear and the anger at least gets significantly mitigated.
02:34:20.000It's like, you know, it's like we need to train people to enjoy their life and not think that your life is just a thing you do that sucks so you can make money, so that you can buy stuff, so it makes you feel good about doing the thing that you do that sucks.0.99