The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2576 - Dr. Peter McCullough

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00:00:08.000 Good to see you, sir.

00:00:09.000 Great to be back.

00:00:16.000 You were the first guy that got me canceled, I think, about COVID.

00:00:20.000 Is that true?

00:00:20.000 Yeah.

00:00:23.000 It's either you or Malone.

00:00:25.000 One of you guys was the beginning of like all the White House and CNN and everything.

00:00:32.000 When they all came down on me, it was.

00:00:35.000 It was your misinformation that all turned out to be true.

00:00:39.000 I'm so sorry.

00:00:41.000 Don't be sorry at all.

00:00:42.000 It was great.

00:00:43.000 Turned out well for me.

00:00:46.000 But it was fascinating to watch.

00:00:50.000 What has it been like for you?

00:00:51.000 We haven't seen each other in five years.

00:00:54.000 What has it been like?

00:00:56.000 Well, but you know, before I came on the first time, had anybody accused you of misinformation before that?

00:01:02.000 No, not really.

00:01:03.000 No, I don't believe so.

00:01:04.000 Had the word even come up?

00:01:06.000 No, I don't mean perhaps.

00:01:08.000 I doubt it though, because we never really talked about anything serious.

00:01:12.000 You know, it was the COVID crisis, it was like the first time I was ever really confronted with a very obvious PSYOP.

00:01:19.000 Like, it was very obvious that we were being fed some very filtered information.

00:01:24.000 We were being gaslit.

00:01:26.000 And there was a narrative that you were being forced to push.

00:01:30.000 And I wasn't going with it.

00:01:31.000 And when I experienced the pushback, I mean, like I said, from the fucking White House, like watching.

00:01:39.000 The White House press secretary saying that Spotify needs to do more to censor me.

00:01:44.000 And watching, I mean, Spotify got calls from the president, my management got calls from the White House.

00:01:51.000 It was wild.

00:01:53.000 Yeah, before 2020, before the pandemic, the word misinformation never appeared in the medical literature.

00:02:01.000 Really?

00:02:02.000 Never.

00:02:03.000 And in fact, by 2021, it's called a mesh term.

00:02:07.000 Now it's an official term in the National Library of Medicine.

00:02:10.000 There are scientific instruments that measure misinformation, that you can actually assess someone on a COVID 19 misinformation scale.

00:02:23.000 So I looked into this and I said, where in the world did this come from, this word?

00:02:23.000 Really?

00:02:29.000 And you can find it in the English language around 1500.

00:02:33.000 And then I can tell you during Nazi Germany, it was Goebbels who has run the Office of Propaganda.

00:02:42.000 Oh my lord, what a useful word they found it as a propaganda word.

00:02:47.000 So, if someone you didn't like, you could accuse them of spreading misinformation.

00:02:53.000 So, as soon as you make that accusation, you achieve moral superiority that you hold information, the person you don't like is spreading misinformation.

00:03:05.000 It became very powerful.

00:03:07.000 Then, believe it or not, in 2018, it was word of the year.

00:03:12.000 In Webster's dictionary of all the words, it became such a powerful word.

00:03:18.000 So it was ready to go and be weaponized in the pandemic.

00:03:22.000 You and I just were on the naivety side of things.

00:03:26.000 We didn't see this coming.

00:03:28.000 And we went on, and before you know it, this was flying around.

00:03:32.000 I never would have imagined that talking about things that are facts would become such a problem.

00:03:39.000 And then there's the reality that no one ever corrected all the things that they got wrong.

00:03:46.000 Whether it's Rachel Maddow or all these different people on television or even the White House itself, all these people that were saying things that turned out to absolutely be incorrect, there was never any correction.

00:03:59.000 There was never any.

00:04:00.000 Did anybody say they're sorry?

00:04:02.000 No.

00:04:03.000 Nobody else said they were sorry.

00:04:03.000 No.

00:04:04.000 Not a single person.

00:04:04.000 No.

00:04:05.000 Not even people that I know that were wrong about it.

00:04:08.000 Not even people that I know that were wrong about it that got vaccine injured.

00:04:13.000 What other circumstance in human life does it greatly impact people, large numbers of people?

00:04:20.000 And in the end, no one apologizes for harm.

00:04:24.000 Can you think of anything?

00:04:27.000 No, not offhand.

00:04:28.000 How about war?

00:04:29.000 Right.

00:04:30.000 Right?

00:04:30.000 Oh, we went to war.

00:04:32.000 No one ever says we made a mistake.

00:04:34.000 No one ever said we're sorry.

00:04:36.000 No one ever apologizes when it's a big time thing like war.

00:04:42.000 And this pandemic, as it rolled out, in many ways, it had the characteristics of war in the sense that we were invaded by a virus, and the response was to behave like we were at war.

00:04:58.000 And a lot of the statutes that we relied upon.

00:05:02.000 The BioShield Act and the PrEP Act, what have you, they used military terms.

00:05:08.000 There were countermeasures, and the public was at risk, and the government was going to step in and take control.

00:05:17.000 But whatever happened, all of these countermeasures were immune from a liability.

00:05:23.000 So, as if the pandemic was a war.

00:05:26.000 Now, maybe you're ready to go to war looking at you, Joe.

00:05:29.000 You're so jacked, you could probably take on somebody.

00:05:32.000 Look at me.

00:05:33.000 I can't go to war.

00:05:34.000 Look at me.

00:05:36.000 But what happened in this pandemic, which I thought was very, very interesting, is that we were told listen, there's a war, a virus is coming, the government is providing countermeasures.

00:05:47.000 But oh, wait a minute, you doctors, you're the ones and the nurses, you're the ones that are going to have to do the fighting.

00:05:54.000 The CDC doesn't treat any patients, HHS and the FDA doesn't treat any patients.

00:05:59.000 You're going to have to treat the patients.

00:06:01.000 So, in a sense, you're a foot soldier in this war that we didn't ask for.

00:06:05.000 That's where I found myself.

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 For the first time in your career?

00:06:09.000 For the first time in my career.

00:06:11.000 I said, Well, what am I going to do?

00:06:13.000 Well, I have to make some decisions.

00:06:14.000 It's not about shooting rifles, but I have to make medical decisions.

00:06:17.000 And that's what I did.

00:06:18.000 And I made what I thought was the best decisions I could make.

00:06:22.000 And before you knew it, as you learned, I got in deep trouble.

00:06:26.000 Is that the first time that you can recall where people were getting in trouble for correctly treating people that helped them?

00:06:26.000 Yeah.

00:06:38.000 Because.

00:06:39.000 By the use of hydroxychloroquine, by the use of ivermectin, they became so controversial that doctors were getting in trouble and losing their licenses for providing patients with medication that had not just efficacy, but there were real studies that showed that, especially Uttar Pradesh and India, there's studies that showed that people that use these medications were more protected and were safer.

00:07:10.000 All over the world, Joe.

00:07:11.000 This happened all over the world instantaneously.

00:07:15.000 That was the most astounding thing to me is that, wait a minute, how can the entire world agree on something all at once?

00:07:25.000 And talk about people losing their license.

00:07:27.000 There were thousands of doctors in France and Australia that literally just, it was almost immediate if they had tried to help somebody with COVID.

00:07:37.000 And before you know it, you know, in early 2020, The Federal Trade Commission came out with the COVID misinformation policy.

00:07:47.000 Federal Trade Commission, what do they govern?

00:07:49.000 Nutraceuticals and supplements.

00:07:51.000 Before you know it, a great company in Salt Lake, Clear, Nate Jones, the CEO, gets a lawsuit from the Federal Trade Commissions.

00:08:01.000 And you're being sued, you personally, Nate Jones, and the Clear Corporation, for studying your products, which are nasal sprays and gargles, against SARS CoV 2.

00:08:12.000 Just studying.

00:08:13.000 He was putting the results on his website.

00:08:13.000 Just studying.

00:08:15.000 That's all Nate was doing.

00:08:17.000 This went on for four years.

00:08:18.000 They tried to drain him dry on legal fees.

00:08:21.000 What were the charges?

00:08:23.000 If so, if they're suing him, what are they saying that he's doing incorrectly?

00:08:27.000 It's a violation of their policies.

00:08:30.000 In a sense, these policies were corrected, were erected.

00:08:35.000 I faced the same thing with the American Bar of Internal Medicine.

00:08:37.000 I had no idea a policy was coming, but as soon as this policy is violated, now there's an opportunity for the government or whatever authority it is to inflict harm.

00:08:51.000 A professional reprisal against him, in the case of the Federal Trade Commission, happened to Dr. Eric Naputi.

00:08:58.000 Who's running a company, vitamin D?

00:09:00.000 Eric had great data on vitamin D.

00:09:02.000 It turns out, vitamin D, there were seven clinical trials showing it actually helped prevent COVID 19.

00:09:07.000 Those with higher vitamin D levels had lesser severity of illness.

00:09:11.000 All the data were positive, no safety concerns.

00:09:15.000 He gets nailed by the Federal Trade Commission, and it just keeps going and going.

00:09:19.000 So something happened, and it was even worse for our colleagues overseas.

00:09:29.000 What?

00:09:30.000 What do you think was, how did it get uniformly adopted across the entire world?

00:09:38.000 Like, what was done to get all these different countries to put all these different rules in line?

00:09:47.000 All at once.

00:09:48.000 You know, in my first book, I had to sit down and write a book.

00:09:53.000 This, what happened was so mind blowing.

00:09:56.000 And you're actually in the book, two of them.

00:09:59.000 I'm in the book.

00:09:59.000 Yeah.

00:10:00.000 The first one is Courage to Face COVID 19.

00:10:03.000 In the title, we come up with this term called the biopharmaceutical complex.

00:10:08.000 And what do we mean by that?

00:10:10.000 Somehow in the world, there was a formation of very powerful entities.

00:10:18.000 And we believe at the core is the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, the Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Trust, the Wellcome Trust, Gavi, CEPI, UNITAID, all regulatory agencies.

00:10:34.000 So you have the MHRA, the EA.

00:10:36.000 EMA, SAFRA, TGA, FDA, CDC, NIH, they just became aligned.

00:10:44.000 And this was building over time.

00:10:46.000 You know, these meetings that happen, a lot of these players are on the world stage.

00:10:53.000 And when the WHO put out a white paper in 2019, it was called A World at Risk.

00:11:01.000 And it had a diagram.

00:11:02.000 These are all the pandemics that could happen.

00:11:04.000 Sure enough, SARS CoV 2 was one of them, or the SARS pandemic.

00:11:09.000 One of the four principal players at the World at Risk, Anthony Fauci.

00:11:15.000 Shocker.

00:11:16.000 Jeremy Farrar, who was at the Wellcome Trust, who's now the lead scientist at the WHO.

00:11:23.000 And I give credit to investigative author Lisa Myron in Toronto, who investigated this.

00:11:28.000 So listen, the world doesn't agree on anything.

00:11:32.000 Can't agree on currency, can't agree on policy, can't agree on anything.

00:11:36.000 How can they completely agree on this pandemic response?

00:11:40.000 She believes.

00:11:41.000 That the communication centers, the WHO, you have about 190 countries.

00:11:48.000 You have 140 national focal points, which are branches of the WHO.

00:11:55.000 Ours is in Washington.

00:11:56.000 It's called PAHO, Pan American Health Organization.

00:11:59.000 And she believes all the commands really came out of the WHO through this complex.

00:12:07.000 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:12:08.000 People think, well, the pharmaceutical companies drove it.

00:12:11.000 Our belief is the pharmaceutical companies are just the suppliers.

00:12:14.000 And the people who benefited was anybody in position for a pandemic.

00:12:19.000 So it wasn't just vaccine companies, but how about companies that made testing or that made gowns and hazmat suits and rubber gloves and the companies that did home delivery?

00:12:30.000 And you can go on and on and on.

00:12:33.000 So if you were positioned well, one could financially have an unbelievable heyday with pandemics.

00:12:41.000 And one of the groups here is CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovation.

00:12:45.000 It was founded by the Gates Foundation and World Economic Forum.

00:12:48.000 And a few companies they poured money in 2017.

00:12:53.000 In their business plan, it says there will be a series of pandemics, a series of them.

00:12:58.000 Oh, just one after another, like a storm's coming in.

00:13:02.000 And in each pandemic, there will be a single response mass vaccination.

00:13:08.000 So everything is oriented towards tamping down anything else outside of vaccination.

00:13:15.000 Does vaccination in other countries have the same protection from liability that they have in the United States?

00:13:23.000 I don't know.

00:13:24.000 I don't know.

00:13:25.000 That's a problem.

00:13:25.000 I know.

00:13:27.000 Well, in 1986, that's when it was memorialized as the liability protection.

00:13:33.000 And, you know, it became what product can essentially be mandated for an entire population and be free of liability?

00:13:43.000 And then how can you take a product that's not a vaccine and call it a vaccine, which is essentially a gene therapy?

00:13:43.000 Right.

00:13:50.000 I mean, this is not, it's not a technical vaccine in terms of like how we have defined vaccines in the past.

00:13:57.000 The connections here are extraordinary.

00:14:01.000 So let's take Moderna as an example.

00:14:05.000 So, Stefan Bainzow, have you had him on your show?

00:14:08.000 You should invite him.

00:14:08.000 No.

00:14:10.000 I didn't even know he existed.

00:14:11.000 Who is he?

00:14:12.000 He's the CEO of Moderna.

00:14:15.000 He's a good looking guy from Europe who's got a really intriguing accent.

00:14:21.000 He's the CEO of Moderna.

00:14:22.000 Does he have horns?

00:14:23.000 Does he have horns?

00:14:23.000 Yeah.

00:14:24.000 Well, listen to this.

00:14:25.000 He's a pharmaceutical representative.

00:14:28.000 Representative, and he becomes a distribution supervisor for one of the bigger companies, and he's in Belgium.

00:14:33.000 In 2007, he gets a master's degree.

00:14:39.000 He's well trained in the United States and Europe as a business executive.

00:14:43.000 He gets the job as CEO of Baermieux.

00:14:46.000 Baermieux is a big lab company.

00:14:49.000 They're like Abbott Diagnostics or Roche, they're a big company.

00:14:52.000 2007.

00:14:55.000 So he's the CEO of a lab company in France.

00:14:58.000 Well, guess what?

00:14:59.000 That lab company in France.

00:15:00.000 Guess what one of their contracts is?

00:15:03.000 One of their contracts is to help the Chinese build the biosecurity annex in Wuhan, China, at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:15:13.000 Okay, this is beyond belief.

00:15:16.000 So, and they train the Chinese staff.

00:15:19.000 So, Benzel is overseeing the company that's doing all this.

00:15:24.000 Then in 2011, he leaves Bao Maru as a young CEO.

00:15:29.000 He's already done very, very well.

00:15:31.000 He joins a tiny company in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

00:15:35.000 Moderna.

00:15:37.000 And he's on record telling his wife, listen, there's probably less than a 5% chance this will ever be successful.

00:15:37.000 Moderna.

00:15:44.000 Well, within a few years, they've got contracts to work on messenger RNA vaccines for different viruses.

00:15:53.000 This keeps going and going.

00:15:55.000 2016, he's got a patent on part of the COVID virus.

00:16:00.000 By 2019, he's communicating with Ralph Barrick at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, saying, listen, can we actually use your viruses?

00:16:09.000 And challenge our vaccines.

00:16:11.000 This is before the pandemic.

00:16:13.000 Now we learned the NIH and Moderna, they co own the patent to Moderna's vaccine.

00:16:19.000 Trump announces that we have a national emergency.

00:16:23.000 Five days later, Bainesell says, well, we have a vaccine for that.

00:16:28.000 This was all happening.

00:16:30.000 Nobody was watching.

00:16:32.000 Do you have any suspicions that it was leaked on purpose?

00:16:36.000 I think it came out by accident.

00:16:39.000 So you think they were working on it, someone got sick.

00:16:42.000 And it just got out.

00:16:43.000 Yeah.

00:16:44.000 Just bad safety protocols.

00:16:47.000 There are papers now written on this, and we featured it on our Substack Focal Points.

00:16:53.000 Nicole Scher has of these bio labs, there's leaks all the time.

00:16:59.000 You can barely contain these things.

00:17:00.000 They're very contagious.

00:17:01.000 They're working with very contagious virus, bacteria, fungi, spores, different pathogens.

00:17:08.000 They depend on meticulous ventilation, sterilization.

00:17:11.000 You see these pictures of people wearing these moon suits.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, we actually went to the one in Galveston.

00:17:16.000 Yeah.

00:17:17.000 My friend Duncan and I were filming Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

00:17:21.000 It was a sci fi show that was on in like 2012 or something.

00:17:25.000 We went down there because we did an episode on bio warfare.

00:17:30.000 We talked to a guy from the former Soviet Union that talked about the bio warfare program that Russia had.

00:17:36.000 It was spooky.

00:17:37.000 It was spooky being in that Galveston lab and these people walking around with these moon suits on with the vacuum hoses attached to them.

00:17:45.000 It was very weird.

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00:18:51.000 Listen, if people started getting really sick on Galveston Island, that'd be the first place that I would look.

00:18:58.000 What about the wet market?

00:18:59.000 I wouldn't go to a fish lap.

00:19:00.000 I wouldn't go to a wet market.

00:19:02.000 I wouldn't go down the street to a restaurant.

00:19:04.000 I'd go right to that lap.

00:19:05.000 That sounds racist, what you just said.

00:19:08.000 Joe, I got to tell you what.

00:19:10.000 Peter Dasek, who was leading the EcoHealth Alliance, who was helping Barrick coordinate with the Chinese, this is astounding.

00:19:20.000 He's involved in this.

00:19:21.000 You have Anthony Fauci leading the NIAID and the funding organization that's funding this research.

00:19:28.000 Barrick is the mastermind at Chapel Hill.

00:19:31.000 He knows more about coronaviruses than anybody.

00:19:33.000 They get a lot of contracts to work on coronaviruses.

00:19:38.000 They take the research to Wuhan.

00:19:40.000 Peter Dasik is the go between.

00:19:42.000 He's getting these grants to actually help coordinate what's going on in Wuhan.

00:19:46.000 So, when this thing gets out of the lab, this is astounding, and the World Health Organization says, We want to investigate the origins of the virus.

00:19:55.000 We're going to send a team to Wuhan.

00:19:57.000 They contact Brett Girard, a rear admiral.

00:20:00.000 He went to medical school with me in Dallas.

00:20:02.000 And Brett Girard was on Trump's White House Task Force One.

00:20:07.000 Brett Schwarz says, Great, I'll get three American scientists.

00:20:09.000 We'll dispatch to Wuhan.

00:20:11.000 We'll investigate.

00:20:12.000 The WHO says, No, don't send us these independent people.

00:20:16.000 We'll take Peter Dasick.

00:20:18.000 The WHO says this.

00:20:20.000 So Peter Dasick goes over to Wuhan.

00:20:23.000 He goes, You know, he looks around.

00:20:25.000 Boy, I can't figure out where this virus came from.

00:20:29.000 But I know one thing it didn't come from the lab, it didn't come from any of his projects.

00:20:35.000 I mean, this is ridiculous.

00:20:37.000 This all happened.

00:20:39.000 Under the watch of people.

00:20:41.000 I had no idea it was so bizarre that more people didn't push back against it.

00:20:46.000 And, you know, credit to Jon Stewart.

00:20:48.000 Did you ever see that Jon Stewart segment on Colbert?

00:20:51.000 Yeah.

00:20:51.000 Where he was making fun of the fact that, like, maybe it came from the Wuhan coronavirus lab.

00:20:58.000 Laboratory.

00:20:59.000 And they're like, no, a pangolin got in the cloaca.

00:21:02.000 Do you know that there were 12 papers written?

00:21:05.000 It looks like Fauci commissioned the first one with Jeremy Farrar, who was at the Wellcome Trust at the time.

00:21:11.000 And with Peter Dasick, what have you.

00:21:13.000 And the first paper was written by Christian Anderson from Scripps.

00:21:17.000 And it was written in Nature.

00:21:19.000 And it says, The Natural Origins of SARS CoV 2.

00:21:23.000 And says, You know, by looking at this, almost certainly it came out of Nature.

00:21:28.000 In Fauci's emails and texts, they all knew it came out of the lab.

00:21:32.000 That was a cover up manuscript.

00:21:34.000 And there were 12 more manuscripts published to this day that haven't been retracted that say, Well, it came out of the lab.

00:21:40.000 In fact, Dasick is part of a manuscript.

00:21:44.000 That was published in British Medical Journal that says, How dare anyone say it comes out of the lab?

00:21:49.000 We stand with the Chinese who are suffering from this right now.

00:21:54.000 And the National Academy of Sciences and Engineering stands with the Chinese.

00:21:58.000 It's amazing.

00:22:00.000 This cover up was so big and so ironclad, these guys weren't going to give an itch.

00:22:08.000 Well, it's just amazing how coordinated it was with all these different countries.

00:22:13.000 So many countries instituted these draconian measures.

00:22:16.000 Australia was incredible.

00:22:18.000 New Zealand was incredible.

00:22:19.000 It was bizarre to watch everyone in lockstep.

00:22:24.000 It was really weird.

00:22:25.000 And things that could not have made sense.

00:22:27.000 You know, in Australia, they got to one point, there was a five kilometer rule.

00:22:32.000 Like, well, you couldn't go more than five kilometers from your house, like as if the virus obeyed those boundaries.

00:22:39.000 Or do you remember all the ridiculous things?

00:22:41.000 One time, Laura Ingram asked me to come on Fox.

00:22:45.000 And I was always busy with patients and Having to get over to the studio and have you.

00:22:50.000 And I never know what they're going to show me.

00:22:52.000 So he shows me this teenage girl, this sunny day, and she's somewhere in the Midwest, and she's running a thousand meter race, and she's winning, but they're making all the kids wear masks.

00:23:03.000 And she's trying to get enough, what's called minute volation.

00:23:07.000 That's the amount of air you can move at the maximum of exercise through this mask, and she can't do it.

00:23:12.000 And she collapses on the track.

00:23:14.000 She destroys her shoulder.

00:23:15.000 They have her parents on, they're upset.

00:23:17.000 And Laura Ingram asks me, Dr. McCullough, is this reasonable?

00:23:22.000 Is it reasonable to wear masks outside?

00:23:24.000 I said, no, this has been studied.

00:23:26.000 The virus diffuses into the air.

00:23:29.000 You can't contract it outside.

00:23:31.000 In fact, people in Singapore tried to study this.

00:23:34.000 So people wearing masks outside.

00:23:36.000 There was one, somebody wearing masks when they were in an Olympic swimming pool, swimming.

00:23:39.000 The mask is all.

00:23:41.000 So the masks seem to come to symbolize a madness.

00:23:45.000 Still, if you travel today, you'll still see people wearing masks.

00:23:48.000 You'll see them in Austin.

00:23:50.000 If you go to San Francisco, they're ubiquitous.

00:23:53.000 They're all over the.

00:23:54.000 I say it's like the Democrats' MAGA hat, it symbolizes that you are an avowed leftist.

00:24:02.000 That you were on board with all these different things.

00:24:05.000 Do you know the story about the lesbian bar in Massachusetts?

00:24:09.000 You don't?

00:24:09.000 No, no.

00:24:10.000 Okay.

00:24:10.000 This is a great story.

00:24:12.000 There was a lesbian bar in Massachusetts in 2026.

00:24:17.000 Recently, they're going under.

00:24:19.000 They tried to be communist and they tried to have no cover charge for people that couldn't afford it.

00:24:19.000 All right.

00:24:24.000 And so, of course, everyone said they couldn't afford it.

00:24:27.000 They tried to do this thing where you just pay what you can.

00:24:31.000 You know, they were trying to be like communist.

00:24:33.000 It didn't work.

00:24:34.000 And so they talked to a financial advisor, and one of the things that they had was a mask policy.

00:24:39.000 They had a strict mask policy for this bar.

00:24:41.000 And they said, why don't you have one night a week, like Saturday night, where it's mask optional?

00:24:47.000 And so they instituted this.

00:24:49.000 And so the people that supported the bar, that were regulars of the bar, revolted, went crazy, threatened to firebomb the bar, threatened violence.

00:25:00.000 It became a national news story.

00:25:02.000 It became so.

00:25:06.000 Emblematic of how insane some people got and continued to be, that it became a destination where people wanted to go visit just to see how fucking kooky it was.

00:25:15.000 Oh my.

00:25:16.000 So it became a tourist destination.

00:25:18.000 I think it's called The Last Ditch.

00:25:19.000 Is that the name of the place?

00:25:20.000 Yeah, it's now closed because they're trying to find new owners.

00:25:23.000 It's so sad.

00:25:23.000 Oh, crazy.

00:25:24.000 It went under.

00:25:25.000 Massachusetts Lesbian Bar makes frantic effort to find new owners after relaxing masking policy in 2026.

00:25:33.000 Now, we knew in 2020 that masks didn't work.

00:25:36.000 In fact, there was one doctor, we played it on the podcast and we got in trouble for this.

00:25:40.000 Where there was one doctor who was explaining how vape, like nicotine vape, that the particles in the vapor are larger than COVID particles, than the COVID virus and oxygen.

00:25:55.000 And so, which is why you can actually breathe through the fucking mask, right?

00:25:59.000 Duh.

00:26:00.000 And so this guy puts on these masks and he takes a hit of the vape and then blows it through the mask.

00:26:05.000 And he shows you, he's like, these don't work.

00:26:09.000 And, you know, we were like heavily criticized for showing that video.

00:26:12.000 Where people go, like, you're showing, again, misinformation.

00:26:15.000 And then the other term that I really love that they wheeled out, which was malinformation.

00:26:21.000 Well, there you go.

00:26:21.000 So now we've got two out of the six.

00:26:23.000 Do you know what malinformation is?

00:26:24.000 Malinformation is information that would actually harm someone else, right?

00:26:28.000 No, it's factual information that turns out to possibly cause harm.

00:26:34.000 Okay, factual information.

00:26:35.000 Factual.

00:26:36.000 Telling the truth.

00:26:37.000 And there's disinformation, which is somewhere of like not factual, but going to cause harm.

00:26:43.000 So you have.

00:26:44.000 Misinformation, disinformation, malformation.

00:26:46.000 There's three more.

00:26:49.000 Anti science.

00:26:50.000 Oh, you've had Peter Hotez on?

00:26:52.000 Yes.

00:26:53.000 He's made a whole lecture tour on that.

00:26:56.000 He went to my alma mater here at Baylor and he said, listen, this is the rise of anti science.

00:27:02.000 Now, listen, he holds science.

00:27:06.000 So if you don't agree with him, you must be anti science.

00:27:09.000 Again, that's that moral statement.

00:27:11.000 Well, you remember Fauci actually saying that?

00:27:13.000 Do you remember that statement?

00:27:14.000 It was science.

00:27:15.000 So he and Bob are.

00:27:15.000 Right.

00:27:16.000 If you disagree with Anthony Fauci, you disagree with science.

00:27:21.000 So that's number four.

00:27:23.000 Number five is anti vaxxer.

00:27:27.000 So that's like saying, well, you know, I'm anti hypertensive medication or I'm anti lipid lorry medicine or I'm anti penicillin.

00:27:35.000 I'm anti aspirin.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 This is like ridiculous.

00:27:38.000 Anti vaxxer.

00:27:39.000 So you're an anti vaxxer.

00:27:40.000 And then the last one is conspiracy theorist.

00:27:44.000 Well, that one's a good one.

00:27:45.000 That one's been around for a long time.

00:27:47.000 Right.

00:27:47.000 So that's a solid one.

00:27:48.000 That's an intelligence community.

00:27:50.000 So I was part of a video.

00:27:52.000 So this gal in Australia who was a dissident, she was a dissident voice.

00:27:57.000 Oh, she was locked up actually at one point in time.

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 She was jailed?

00:28:01.000 Yeah, she put in Chial.

00:28:04.000 She made a video, and I'm in it.

00:28:07.000 And they say, oh, this guy is spreading misinformation.

00:28:12.000 He said, no, they're not.

00:28:14.000 He's actually, he's not a conspiracy theorist.

00:28:18.000 He's a rational theorist, that we're all rational theorists.

00:28:21.000 We're presented with something that's brand new, that no one can possibly know really what's going on.

00:28:28.000 And so we all construct rational theories that are discussable, they're testable.

00:28:34.000 So, when people immediately, this is a brand new virus, and people immediately grasped for something.

00:28:40.000 And this is, I think, a theme of what we learned in the pandemic human beings have a terrible time with ambiguity.

00:28:49.000 Oh, no.

00:28:49.000 Ambiguity.

00:28:50.000 Yeah.

00:28:51.000 Listen, if it's a war, if it's a virus, there must be no ambiguity.

00:28:56.000 Right.

00:28:56.000 We have to know everything right now.

00:28:58.000 And so I saw this in the prosecution of all these doctors.

00:29:02.000 Well, they're outside the mainstream consensus.

00:29:06.000 It's a brand new problem.

00:29:06.000 Right.

00:29:07.000 Consensus of what?

00:29:08.000 Right.

00:29:09.000 Well, especially with science.

00:29:11.000 The idea that science exists with consensus is nuts.

00:29:15.000 The whole idea is that you're supposed to be testing these things and it requires people questioning.

00:29:20.000 Well, especially in what's called the inferential area of reasoning.

00:29:26.000 This is very important.

00:29:28.000 So, deductive reasoning let's take that.

00:29:32.000 Deduction is the hard physical sciences, mathematics, physics, engineering.

00:29:37.000 So, there's laws.

00:29:39.000 And if the laws are true, the roof will stay up above us.

00:29:43.000 If the laws of physics work, the plane will take off today and what have you.

00:29:47.000 That's deduction.

00:29:48.000 So, deduction, there must be some truth to gravity, and there must be some truth to velocity, what have you, because these equations work and we rely on them.

00:29:59.000 In clinical medicine, it's very different inference, meaning we never really know the truth.

00:30:05.000 We never do.

00:30:06.000 The human body is enormously complex.

00:30:10.000 We can't ever really know.

00:30:12.000 But we use inference.

00:30:15.000 In inference, we try to inch closer and closer and closer to the truth, but we never know.

00:30:21.000 And so, because the clinical sciences are like that, we always have to question what people are saying.

00:30:28.000 There's always a debate.

00:30:29.000 How many times have you opened up the paper and it says, Well, chocolate's good for you?

00:30:32.000 Oh, here's another one chocolate's bad for you.

00:30:34.000 Chocolate's good for you.

00:30:35.000 It goes back and forth.

00:30:36.000 It goes back and forth.

00:30:37.000 Coffee is good for you.

00:30:38.000 It just keeps going.

00:30:40.000 It goes back and forth as we approximate the truth.

00:30:44.000 And so, this idea that there's a brand new virus, it comes out of China, and instantaneously there's a consensus.

00:30:53.000 And if you're outside the consensus, you are spreading misinformation.

00:30:57.000 There's a policy erected, you're violating the policy, now you're being prosecuted.

00:31:02.000 People found their entire professional lives destroyed over this.

00:31:07.000 Well, Dr. Robert Malone had a great phrase that I think he got from someone else called mass formation psychosis, and that this thing happens.

00:31:16.000 Everyone's terrified, and then they offer one solution.

00:31:19.000 And this one solution must be adhered to by everyone.

00:31:23.000 And there, again, can be no ambiguity.

00:31:25.000 No ambiguity.

00:31:26.000 Right.

00:31:26.000 So that credit to Matthias Desmond.

00:31:28.000 He's a.

00:31:29.000 Is that the guy who's.

00:31:30.000 He's a Belgium psychologist and he's investigated this.

00:31:30.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 And in fact, there's this mass formation and people feel like they actually become divided over something like that.

00:31:47.000 So the vaccine for sure.

00:31:49.000 Have you lost any friends over this vaccine?

00:31:52.000 Not real friends.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:55.000 No one that I miss.

00:31:57.000 But many have.

00:31:58.000 Many of the listeners listening to this show will say, you know what?

00:32:01.000 Yes.

00:32:01.000 After the pandemic, somehow things are reordered in my life.

00:32:05.000 That my friends or family.

00:32:06.000 I think it's a good thing.

00:32:08.000 I mean, I think those are the people that you really didn't want as friends in the first place.

00:32:12.000 You know, my field in medicine, we can talk about anything.

00:32:16.000 So if I, you know, and doctors love to talk shop.

00:32:20.000 That's all we do, basically, because it's so interesting.

00:32:23.000 So we'll be at some social gathering, we'll be talking about back surgery or talking about a new medical advance.

00:32:29.000 We come up to vaccines.

00:32:32.000 I can't talk about it.

00:32:33.000 Right.

00:32:34.000 Why is that?

00:32:35.000 We get the Heisman.

00:32:37.000 We think what's going on is that we have this in my second book.

00:32:42.000 It's become an ideology.

00:32:46.000 It's not scientific.

00:32:47.000 Right.

00:32:47.000 I had Aaron Seary on.

00:32:48.000 Aaron, the vaccines we trust.

00:32:51.000 He's on the right path.

00:32:51.000 He's on the right track.

00:32:52.000 It's become a religion.

00:32:53.000 It's become a religion.

00:32:54.000 And it turns out in our book, we went all the way back three centuries to figure out where this came from.

00:33:00.000 Where did this come from?

00:33:02.000 How can this become religion?

00:33:04.000 There's not a religion around.

00:33:06.000 Antibiotics or religion about surgeries or religion about radiology.

00:33:11.000 Why is there a religion around vaccines?

00:33:13.000 Well, it turns out there's mankind has always had a susceptibility to contagious infectious diseases, probably more so, by the way, than other mammals.

00:33:24.000 You know, you don't see groups of dogs getting colds and blowing snot or squirrels out there.

00:33:30.000 For some reason, we're vulnerable.

00:33:32.000 So, mankind has been vulnerable to infectious diseases.

00:33:35.000 And so, there's always been a fear.

00:33:38.000 We didn't understand them.

00:33:39.000 But when infectious diseases blew in, oh my lord, like when the bubonic plague blew in, you know, a thousand years ago, watch out.

00:33:48.000 There's all kinds of bad things that happen.

00:33:50.000 And you see all different types of human behavior when there's fear like this.

00:33:55.000 You don't understand it.

00:33:57.000 And so when this idea that maybe we can do something to prevent these horrible contagious diseases, and we had to start somewhere in our book, John Leake, who's the first author, is from.

00:34:11.000 Highland Park, Texas, John's probably one of the world's greatest historians.

00:34:15.000 We looked around to see where this idea of giving a vaccine came from, inoculation.

00:34:21.000 We had to start somewhere, and we started with Cotton Mather in 1721 in Boston.

00:34:26.000 Do you have any idea who he was?

00:34:28.000 No.

00:34:29.000 So, Cotton Mather in the late 17th century turns out he was one of the advisors to the judges in the Salem witchcraft trials.

00:34:40.000 So, Cotton Mather, he's a Puritan minister.

00:34:43.000 But he clearly believed in witches.

00:34:45.000 So, Cotton Mather, this is horrible.

00:34:47.000 And we start out in our first chapter in the book on this.

00:34:50.000 Cotton Mather watches his wife and several kids die of what's probably measles.

00:34:56.000 And he can't save them.

00:34:57.000 He just watches them die.

00:35:00.000 And he's like, oh my Lord.

00:35:02.000 He's keeping his memoirs of all this.

00:35:04.000 And then he hears a story that a ship is coming and the men on the ship have smallpox.

00:35:11.000 And smallpox, very different rash than measles.

00:35:14.000 And so he takes up with Dr. Boylston in Boston with a new project.

00:35:20.000 And Boylston has this idea of called variolation.

00:35:23.000 Variolation is taking a little pustule, the little blister that you have with smallpox, taking a blade, a scalpel blade, opening that little blister, taking a little bit of the fluid, and then stabbing it into the next person.

00:35:39.000 And the idea is well, just give a little bit of that fluid.

00:35:41.000 They thought it was actually a poison.

00:35:44.000 They didn't think it was, they couldn't conceptualize it as an infectious disease.

00:35:49.000 It was thought to be some type of poison.

00:35:51.000 But the idea is we'll give you a little poison, and maybe if you can survive that, you'll survive a big amount of it.

00:35:58.000 And they start up with variolation.

00:36:00.000 And it turns out Ben Franklin at the time, who's one of the bigger intellectuals, he's kind of ridiculing them, saying, listen, these guys are nuts.

00:36:10.000 This isn't, you know, they're wasting people's time and proclaiming all these things.

00:36:15.000 And then, sure enough, Ben Franklin loses little Frankie.

00:36:18.000 Frankie dies of smallpox.

00:36:21.000 Ben Franklin turns around, follow Cotton Mather.

00:36:24.000 He's on the right track.

00:36:25.000 Cotton Mather, at one point in time, declares in the public square, This process that we've come up with is a gift from God.

00:36:35.000 That's how vaccination started.

00:36:38.000 It was conceptualized as a gift from God to mankind.

00:36:42.000 And then it just keeps going and going and going.

00:36:44.000 And the bold claims, the bold claims, you think Fauci had some chutzpah?

00:36:50.000 Louis Pasteur, holy smokes.

00:36:53.000 That guy made more claims.

00:36:54.000 Well, I've got a vaccine for foul cholera.

00:36:57.000 I've got an anthrax vaccine.

00:36:59.000 They'll say, well, great.

00:37:01.000 Does it work?

00:37:01.000 Where's your notes?

00:37:03.000 I'll get back to you later on that.

00:37:05.000 And this just keeps going and going.

00:37:07.000 So all this hubris, all this fear, money, there's always been a ton of money at this.

00:37:14.000 Edward Jenner picks up after Cotton Mather's in the UK.

00:37:17.000 He's at the right hand of the king and queen.

00:37:20.000 So these vaccinologists have money.

00:37:23.000 Power.

00:37:24.000 The population is at fear.

00:37:26.000 They're providing a solution.

00:37:28.000 That, in a sense, man is outdoing God.

00:37:34.000 Man, through vaccinology, is improving God's creation.

00:37:40.000 This is the ultimate hubris.

00:37:43.000 Man outdoes God.

00:37:45.000 And that's how these vaccinologists present themselves.

00:37:47.000 Remember Fauci?

00:37:48.000 Fauci says, I am science.

00:37:51.000 So that brings us to the coin on the front of the cover.

00:37:55.000 This is 2022.

00:37:57.000 This is a 20 euro coin issued by the Vatican.

00:38:01.000 It's a boy in the classic tripartite positioning about to receive the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

00:38:11.000 But instead, he's receiving a vaccine.

00:38:15.000 This was issued by the Vatican?

00:38:15.000 So the vaccine.

00:38:17.000 This was issued by the Vatican.

00:38:18.000 A coin of someone getting vaccinated.

00:38:20.000 Yes.

00:38:21.000 This shows you this iconography, I think, is confirmatory.

00:38:26.000 That's what we're seeing with vaccinology.

00:38:29.000 There is a religious zeal.

00:38:32.000 There's a madness here.

00:38:34.000 And it's gone on for three centuries.

00:38:36.000 And boy, it got turned on big time in the pandemic.

00:38:40.000 That same terminology, that a gift from God, that same terminology was used by Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York, talking about the vaccines.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, it was a quote by her.

00:38:48.000 Really?

00:38:49.000 She said, These vaccines are a gift from God.

00:38:53.000 Same terminology.

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 Was there any efficacy to those original?

00:39:02.000 Smallpox vaccines, where they would take the postule and they would give it to people.

00:39:06.000 Did that work at all?

00:39:07.000 We can't possibly know.

00:39:09.000 It took off.

00:39:11.000 Before you know it, it became mandatory in a lot of places.

00:39:14.000 Again, people were put in jail if they didn't take these shots in certain places around the world Boston, Toronto, UK.

00:39:21.000 It got to such a madness and controversy that in the UK, there was a city, Leicester, in the UK, that said, We're not doing this.

00:39:29.000 We're not taking these vaccines.

00:39:31.000 This is nuts.

00:39:32.000 We can't, you know, they're taking fluid from other people, they're taking fluid from horses and animals.

00:39:37.000 You can't know what's in it, you can't know if it's sterilized.

00:39:40.000 There were examples of people.

00:39:42.000 Taking the poke and then dying because maybe it was contaminated with tetanus or staph or syphilis.

00:39:49.000 And in Leicester, they said, We're not doing it.

00:39:50.000 We're going to do the Leicester method.

00:39:52.000 We think how this is happening is the kids are sleeping on top of each other in straw beds covered in these pustules.

00:39:59.000 When the kids get smallpox, we're going to separate them.

00:40:02.000 We're going to separate them and see if we can't stop it from spreading around.

00:40:05.000 And they were right.

00:40:07.000 So the Leicester method basically got control of smallpox with no vaccines.

00:40:12.000 It's very important.

00:40:13.000 What percentage of people did smallpox that got infected die?

00:40:17.000 I don't know, but it was high.

00:40:19.000 It was high because, you know, once you got covered in these pustules, it didn't take much for it to be super infected with staph.

00:40:28.000 And then once the staph took off remember back in the olden days, there was a term called erysipelas.

00:40:33.000 That was just a bad skin staph infection that would be fatal.

00:40:37.000 And all of these infectious diseases this is really important.

00:40:40.000 You've had Suzanne Humphreys on, you've had Aaron Seary.

00:40:43.000 All of these infectious diseases came under control.

00:40:47.000 Before widespread vaccination, this is very important.

00:40:51.000 Through better nutrition, sanitation was big and personal hygiene.

00:40:57.000 This was very big.

00:40:58.000 So, we don't have erysipelas outbreaks.

00:41:00.000 There's no vaccine for that.

00:41:02.000 That's just like a staph.

00:41:03.000 You know, streptococcal.

00:41:05.000 My family was greatly affected.

00:41:07.000 I'm Irish.

00:41:08.000 Greatly affected by streptococcal disease through the Irish as they immigrated to the United States.

00:41:13.000 My great grandmother died of Bright's disease at age 32.

00:41:16.000 That's post streptococcal kidney failure.

00:41:20.000 My grandfather, who I never met, he died of rheumatic heart disease, again, streptococcal disease.

00:41:26.000 I never see patients dying of streptococcal disease now, ever.

00:41:31.000 Pharyngitis, glomerulonephritis, carditis, never, because we have antibiotics and we have appropriate testing.

00:41:40.000 No vaccine.

00:41:41.000 This is very important.

00:41:43.000 Decades ago, we had tuberculosis sanatoriums in the United States.

00:41:46.000 There's no effective vaccine for TB.

00:41:49.000 So if you go to the 63 schools of public health in the United States, And you read through their mission statements, they'll tell you that vaccination was one of the greatest public health achievements in the history of mankind.

00:42:03.000 They almost never mentioned sanitation or improved hygiene or testing.

00:42:08.000 So you think those are the primary factors?

00:42:10.000 Yeah.

00:42:11.000 And what about nutrition?

00:42:12.000 Nutrition is a big factor, particularly when you're dealing with cities in the winter where they don't have access to fresh vegetables.

00:42:20.000 For sure.

00:42:21.000 And they're very poorly.

00:42:24.000 A great example is measles fatalities.

00:42:27.000 It's tightly linked to vitamin A deficiency.

00:42:31.000 In fact, vitamin A is so critical that there's a vitamin A protocol.

00:42:35.000 So there was a prospective, double blind, randomized, placebo controlled trial of giving vitamin A to critical kids with measles pneumonitis in the New England Journal of Medicine, and it reduced mortality.

00:42:48.000 That's just an example of a nutritional intervention that reduced mortality.

00:42:54.000 I've said, you know, there's a great hullabaloo about measles right now.

00:42:58.000 I've said in the modern day, we shouldn't lose anybody due to measles.

00:43:01.000 No one.

00:43:02.000 Because we have modern nutrition, sanitation, hygiene.

00:43:07.000 We can handle complications.

00:43:09.000 So, the measles, encephalitis, and pneumonitis are very responsive to steroids.

00:43:15.000 The bronchitis, pneumonia, it's all bacterial.

00:43:17.000 We handle that with antibiotics.

00:43:19.000 Aaron Seary was also discussing how it seems that prior measles infection protects you from some other things.

00:43:28.000 It may.

00:43:29.000 Natural infection and recovery always seem to be far more durable and broadly applicable.

00:43:37.000 A good paper to quote is Bianchi and colleagues, where It was a perfect time at an Italian medical school where they had half the kids had kind of natural measles immunity because they grew up before there was availability of a measles vaccine, and the other kids had measles vaccine immunity.

00:43:57.000 And they tested them serologically to see if they had any protection.

00:44:00.000 The answer was if you had natural measles infection, 96% protection.

00:44:05.000 You could get it again, maybe, but boy, natural measles, you're good.

00:44:09.000 Our CDC says today, measles.

00:44:12.000 Was so common that if you were born before 1957 in the United States, you're good.

00:44:18.000 We just assume you're completely immune.

00:44:21.000 The kids who took the measles vaccine, that would be me, I took a measles vaccine, only 80% had any measurable protection.

00:44:29.000 And I've gone through this now four times.

00:44:30.000 I took a measles vaccine as a kid.

00:44:32.000 When I went to medical school, I checked a blood test, no protection, took another shot.

00:44:37.000 Became a resident a few years later, took another test, no protection, took another shot, MMR shot.

00:44:45.000 And then a fourth one, I went through it four times and I still don't have any protection.

00:44:49.000 And in our book, we.

00:44:51.000 And how is that measured?

00:44:52.000 Is it by antibodies?

00:44:53.000 By antibodies.

00:44:54.000 It's a reasonable proxy.

00:44:56.000 But in our book, we mentioned Ben Edwards.

00:44:58.000 And Ben is here in Texas.

00:45:00.000 Ben went to Baylor just after me.

00:45:02.000 Doctor.

00:45:03.000 He's out in West Texas taking care of the Mennonites.

00:45:05.000 Remember a couple of years ago, there was an outbreak?

00:45:08.000 He's taking care of the Mennonites and he's communicating with us.

00:45:10.000 And actually, I talked to some of the Mennonites myself.

00:45:13.000 And Ben says, listen, I took all these measles shots.

00:45:16.000 He goes, I'm not sure I have any protection.

00:45:18.000 Sure enough, he sent me a picture.

00:45:20.000 He's covered head to toe with measles.

00:45:21.000 He's taken four measles vaccines.

00:45:23.000 So the point is the measles vaccines, while they have dropped case count, terrific, they're not perfect.

00:45:30.000 And our CDC is deceptive about measles reporting now.

00:45:34.000 This is very important.

00:45:36.000 When they categorize people, they're not going out and investigating each case.

00:45:40.000 They're getting feeds from state labs or even the commercial labs and other sources.

00:45:46.000 And unless somebody really can somehow show their vaccine record and prove it to somebody, the CDC says, Their unvaccinated or vaccine status unknown.

00:45:57.000 It's a very dishonest way of epidemiologic reporting.

00:46:01.000 So they say that just to downplay the possible effect The failure of the vaccine.

00:46:08.000 It's intentional, and they do that as part of their reporting.

00:46:08.000 Right.

00:46:11.000 I've looked into it.

00:46:13.000 Well, how do you determine if it's unknown?

00:46:14.000 They said, well, if somehow the vaccine card isn't made apparent to us, and this is through data systems and stuff, no one's going to be able to.

00:46:23.000 To get a vaccine card through some data system.

00:46:24.000 So they essentially assume someone's unvaccinated if they get measles.

00:46:27.000 One of the least scientific aspects of the COVID pandemic was if you had had COVID, they still required you to get vaccinated.

00:46:27.000 Correct.

00:46:36.000 Now that was interesting because in 2020, when they were doing the clinical trials, this is very important.

00:46:45.000 So Moderna, Pfizer, Janssen, they said, listen, they're doing a clinical trial.

00:46:50.000 Oh no, we're not going to take anybody who's already had COVID.

00:46:54.000 We're not going to take anybody.

00:46:55.000 Who has any antibodies to COVID?

00:46:57.000 We're not going to take women of childbearing potential or pregnant women.

00:47:02.000 No, no, no.

00:47:03.000 The vaccine either is not going to work or it's not going to be safe.

00:47:05.000 Be safe.

00:47:06.000 We just want virgin cases.

00:47:09.000 Okay, well, they do their clinical trials.

00:47:11.000 December 10th, 2020, when it rolls out, they said, well, damn the torpedoes.

00:47:15.000 Everybody takes it.

00:47:17.000 Just two months ago, you excluded people with natural immunity.

00:47:17.000 So, wait a minute.

00:47:21.000 Now, why do they suddenly need it?

00:47:23.000 That's part of this madness about vaccines.

00:47:26.000 And it goes even further.

00:47:27.000 Now it says, listen, you can get COVID any number of times.

00:47:32.000 It doesn't matter.

00:47:33.000 Take more boosters.

00:47:35.000 Take a booster, get COVID.

00:47:36.000 Take another booster.

00:47:38.000 And, you know, I had.

00:47:39.000 Patients in Dallas who were, you know, very much zealots over vaccines, they would go to the pharmacy and say, you know what, I'm feeling a little insecure.

00:47:49.000 Can I get another shot?

00:47:50.000 Can I just get an extra dose?

00:47:52.000 Pharmacies would get an extra dose.

00:47:56.000 Do you think that they were vaccinating the people that had a prior infection because they wanted to get rid of the control group?

00:48:05.000 I think there's a sense in this vaccine world, part of this vaccine ideology is, you know, man outdoes God.

00:48:13.000 But the vaccines aren't perfect.

00:48:14.000 It's very important.

00:48:16.000 So, the vaccinologists will tell you the vaccines aren't perfect.

00:48:20.000 So, in order for this to work, everyone must take them.

00:48:24.000 Everyone, without exception.

00:48:27.000 Without exception, because it's for the betterment of humanity, it's for the greater good.

00:48:32.000 And if some people are harmed or somebody's already had the infection and they can't possibly benefit, we don't care because this is for the greater good.

00:48:42.000 And this has gone on.

00:48:43.000 For centuries.

00:48:44.000 But it literally makes no sense.

00:48:46.000 One of the things we found out very early on was that prior infection was up to seven times more effective at preventing a reinfection.

00:48:55.000 So this is something that I brought up to Sanjay Gupta when he came on the podcast.

00:48:58.000 Yeah, what did he say?

00:48:59.000 Well, he said, You had COVID.

00:49:01.000 Are you going to get vaccinated now?

00:49:04.000 I said, Why?

00:49:05.000 I said, No, why would I?

00:49:07.000 You know that prior infection is far better to prevent another COVID outbreak.

00:49:14.000 Like, why?

00:49:16.000 And he had no answer.

00:49:18.000 It didn't make any sense.

00:49:19.000 He knew it didn't make any sense, but it's a religious thing.

00:49:21.000 Like he wanted me.

00:49:22.000 I had another friend of mine who's a vaccine kook who, you know, he was like, now that you've had COVID, are you going to get vaccinated?

00:49:28.000 I go, why would I?

00:49:30.000 I go, you know that prior infection is better at preventing getting it again.

00:49:39.000 Like, I don't understand that.

00:49:40.000 If you get chickenpox, you don't go get a chickenpox vaccine.

00:49:44.000 Right.

00:49:45.000 So it didn't make any sense, but it was this thing where you had to become a part of the team.

00:49:50.000 Well, that's interesting, right?

00:49:51.000 It's almost as if there was a marking there.

00:49:56.000 Have you seen on social media where people put their band aid?

00:50:00.000 Remember Jason Kelsey?

00:50:02.000 No, Travis Kelsey.

00:50:03.000 Travis.

00:50:04.000 Travis puts the blue band aid on.

00:50:07.000 Right.

00:50:09.000 He's part of the team.

00:50:10.000 Well, he also got paid.

00:50:13.000 But there is a symbolism of being on a team.

00:50:17.000 You take the vaccine, you take it for the greater good, damn the torpedoes.

00:50:22.000 You know, there were three papers that I was quoting.

00:50:25.000 That showed if you previously had the infection, if you previously had the infection, you actually were harmed by taking these vaccines.

00:50:33.000 There were more serious adverse events, things that landed you in the hospital because your body's immune system is already jazzed up.

00:50:41.000 You don't need to juice it some more.

00:50:44.000 Right.

00:50:45.000 So there's actually harm.

00:50:46.000 That's the reason why the FDA and the company said no, no, no.

00:50:49.000 If you've previously had COVID, you shouldn't get this shot.

00:50:53.000 And to just change in three months, And just throw out all of that regulatory pathway, accept a good clinical practice.

00:51:04.000 I think the worst example is pregnancy.

00:51:07.000 That's the golden rule we never use experimental new things on a pregnant woman.

00:51:16.000 Never, never, never.

00:51:19.000 And the clinical trials, there was no way that a pregnant woman was going to get one of these vaccines, or even of childbearing potential.

00:51:26.000 Do you know, in the first week of the vaccine campaign, I'll never forget, December 10th, 2020, 3,000 American women who were pregnant, they were largely nurses, took the vaccine.

00:51:39.000 No one at the vaccine center said, wait a minute, we shouldn't do this.

00:51:43.000 And before you know this, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology said, you know what?

00:51:47.000 Give it to them.

00:51:48.000 Give it to them at any time during pregnancy without any rationale.

00:51:55.000 It was complete malpractice.

00:51:58.000 And what were the side effects of that?

00:52:00.000 It was horrendous.

00:52:03.000 Great credit to Jim Thorpe.

00:52:04.000 He's on the chief medical board with me at the wellness company, an obstetrician.

00:52:10.000 Called this out immediately and said, listen, this is madness.

00:52:13.000 Tom Shumbaruru at the CDC puts out a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine.

00:52:19.000 Doing the math, it looked like the miscarriage rate in the first trimester could be as high as 84% of women losing their babies.

00:52:28.000 Now, in reality, we can't really tell because they didn't have full nine months of data.

00:52:33.000 A standard number is to lose a baby in the first trimester is 15% miscarriage rate.

00:52:39.000 Finally, after all of this back and forth, Forth in the letters to the editor of New England Journal of Medicine, Shimbiru and the CDC said, Listen, we really can't tell you the real number.

00:52:49.000 But whatever it is, it isn't good.

00:52:51.000 We saw rates of miscarriage, and there's now Thorpe and others have published extensively on this.

00:52:56.000 Rates of miscarriage went up.

00:52:58.000 Rates of stillbirth, which is losing the baby in the second trimester, that should be less than 1%.

00:53:03.000 That happened to somebody in my church.

00:53:04.000 This is horrible.

00:53:05.000 The baby was fine.

00:53:06.000 They take a shot, and all suddenly the baby's not moving.

00:53:09.000 That's it.

00:53:10.000 Then the baby has to be extracted.

00:53:12.000 And then In the third trimester, what can happen is there can be premature delivery.

00:53:17.000 Now the baby is premature, can have preemie neonatal ICU, all the complications of intracranial hemorrhage, premature lung disease, etc.

00:53:28.000 It's a disaster to do something like this during pregnancy.

00:53:33.000 And the rationale is these vaccines are very strong, they cause a very high fever.

00:53:40.000 And when you cause a fever, that inflammation and reaction The uterus and the baby don't like it.

00:53:48.000 And, you know, fever is one of the single greatest triggers to lose the baby or having a premature delivery.

00:53:55.000 And the vaccine gives you fevers.

00:53:56.000 For sure.

00:53:58.000 Boy.

00:54:00.000 And they weren't operating on any data when they were recommending it to pregnant women and administering it to pregnant women.

00:54:07.000 None.

00:54:09.000 But yet they were saying it's safe and effective for pregnant women.

00:54:12.000 And they were encouraging pregnant women to take it because they said that.

00:54:16.000 The risk of getting COVID was far greater than the potential harm of getting vaccinated while pregnant.

00:54:23.000 There was a paper by Pinellas and colleagues and also Internal Medicine.

00:54:27.000 It looked at that.

00:54:28.000 What happened if pregnant women contracted COVID?

00:54:33.000 Turns out, because they're young and healthy and robust, and pregnancies and immune, you know, one of the strongest states of natural immunity, pregnant women did better than non pregnant women.

00:54:46.000 But what about fever?

00:54:49.000 Pregnant women getting fever while they had COVID.

00:54:51.000 They could, again, that's a risk.

00:54:53.000 That's a fair point.

00:54:54.000 So, COVID itself could be a risk factor for miscarriage, just like influenza or any other fever.

00:55:00.000 It had to be managed.

00:55:01.000 Turns out hydroxychloroquine was perfectly safe during pregnancy.

00:55:05.000 There's actually been randomized trials of using that in lupus.

00:55:08.000 I've used hydroxy in pregnant women.

00:55:10.000 Ivermectin turned out to be safe.

00:55:12.000 We had monoclonal antibodies, bamolivumab, safe during pregnancy.

00:55:16.000 I'll go ahead and look that up.

00:55:17.000 I want to talk to you about that.

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00:56:09.000 Monoclonal antibodies were very effective but made incredibly difficult to get at one point in time.

00:56:18.000 What was that about?

00:56:20.000 There's a paper in Medical Economics 2020 said Operation Warp Speed is going to deliver monoclonal antibodies.

00:56:28.000 The U.S. invested in doses for every single one of us.

00:56:33.000 Every single one of us.

00:56:34.000 These monoclonal antibodies, I used them hundreds of times, Joe.

00:56:37.000 They were safe, they were effective, they were miraculous.

00:56:40.000 They really worked.

00:56:42.000 They should have been.

00:56:43.000 In every single nursing home, they should have been in every ER, every urgent care.

00:56:48.000 Anybody really sick should have gotten a monoclonal antibody.

00:56:51.000 Do you know of all the patients admitted to the hospital with COVID, only 15% of them got monoclonal antibodies?

00:56:58.000 Well, there was actually a policy at some hospitals where once you were admitted to the hospital, they would no longer give you monoclonal antibodies.

00:57:06.000 Right.

00:57:06.000 And it happened.

00:57:08.000 I was advising on two patients here in Texas, just south of Dallas, husband and wife.

00:57:13.000 He's a pastor, his dad's a pastor, I know him well.

00:57:17.000 The husband and wife get really sick with COVID.

00:57:20.000 They come to the emergency room.

00:57:22.000 They give her monoclonal antibodies and say, You know, you're well enough.

00:57:26.000 You go home, take care of your five kids.

00:57:27.000 They look at him.

00:57:28.000 He's a little heavier guy.

00:57:29.000 They say, Oh, you're too sick.

00:57:30.000 We're admitting you.

00:57:31.000 They don't give him monoclonal antibodies and he dies.

00:57:35.000 It can't be any more.

00:57:36.000 What would be the reasoning to not give him monoclonal antibodies while he's sick?

00:57:42.000 That reasoning was, Well, that wasn't the way it was tested in clinical trials.

00:57:46.000 It was only tested in outpatients.

00:57:49.000 What My viewpoint on this is that this is where clinical judgment comes in.

00:57:55.000 And if I was running the show at the top, I would have made sure everyone got these monoclonal antibodies.

00:58:00.000 And when my patients were anywhere close to the ER, I made sure that they got these monoclonal antibodies.

00:58:05.000 I held them up in the ER.

00:58:07.000 I said, listen, you're not going into the hospital until you get monoclonal antibodies.

00:58:11.000 But it took that type of forceful clinical approach to make that happen.

00:58:16.000 And the fact that people were denied monoclonal antibodies, which are emergency use authorized, Fully FDA endorsed, expensive, Operation Warp Speed, that tells you something.

00:58:29.000 That tells you something about what this pandemic was really about.

00:58:33.000 Well, what I had heard was they wanted to limit the use of monoclonal antibodies because they felt that it contributed to vaccine hesitancy.

00:58:44.000 And so one of the things that happened during the pandemic was when I had gone public with, I made this video and said that I got.

00:58:54.000 What happened was, I had some shows that I was doing with Dave Chappelle, and we had to cancel the shows.

00:59:00.000 And I had to say in this video, hey, I think it was Nashville or New Orleans.

00:59:07.000 I had to say, hey, we have to cancel the show this weekend.

00:59:09.000 I had COVID.

00:59:10.000 This was when CNN turned my face green on television.

00:59:13.000 I'm sure you saw that, right?

00:59:14.000 Yeah.

00:59:16.000 I had said all the different things that I took, and I said, I feel great.

00:59:20.000 I'm fine, but we have to cancel the shows.

00:59:22.000 We'll reschedule them.

00:59:23.000 And that's when I started getting attacked.

00:59:25.000 But what happened was I had gotten phone calls from everyone that I knew who knew anyone who got sick.

00:59:32.000 What did you take?

00:59:34.000 My aunt is sick, my uncle's sick.

00:59:37.000 I sent nurses, private nurses, to I don't even know how many people.

00:59:41.000 I lost track of it.

00:59:42.000 I just had an account and I paid for all of it.

00:59:45.000 I just had sent nurses to people, people that I didn't even know, actors that I never even met in person.

00:59:51.000 They reached out to me on Instagram.

00:59:52.000 I called them.

00:59:53.000 We talked.

00:59:54.000 I sent a nurse to them.

00:59:54.000 I paid for all of it.

00:59:56.000 I don't know how much I spent.

00:59:57.000 I spent a lot of money on it.

00:59:58.000 I just sent, I was like, look, I'm going to save these people's lives.

01:00:01.000 And one of the things that we administered to them was monoclonal antibodies.

01:00:06.000 And I did it to a lot of fucking people, man.

01:00:08.000 A lot of people all over the country, comics, all these different people.

01:00:12.000 You remind me of this gal I met on social media and Instagram.

01:00:15.000 Her name is Nurse Michelle.

01:00:17.000 You should check her out.

01:00:19.000 She's middle aged, got like a bunch of kids, and she's just a good lady in rural North Georgia.

01:00:26.000 She saw this happening.

01:00:27.000 She said, This is so horrible.

01:00:29.000 I don't care about the law, I don't care about the rules.

01:00:33.000 She stocked up her minivan with Every drug she could possibly get a hold of from overseas, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics, steroids.

01:00:42.000 She reached out to me.

01:00:43.000 I had published the McCullough Protocol in the American Journal of Medicine.

01:00:46.000 She goes, I'll follow your protocol, Dr. McCullough.

01:00:47.000 She went around Georgia just treating patients.

01:00:50.000 She didn't have a medical license.

01:00:52.000 She just did it.

01:00:53.000 She goes, I don't care.

01:00:55.000 This is about saving lives.

01:00:58.000 That's what people did.

01:00:59.000 And I met people in South Africa doing that, in Southeast Asia.

01:01:04.000 This, going back to the analogy we used, this was a war.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, what I was going to get to was.

01:01:10.000 Somewhere along this process, we couldn't get access to monoclonal antibodies anymore.

01:01:15.000 So I was sending all these nurses out to administer IV vitamins, a bunch of different things.

01:01:23.000 And then it got really difficult to get monoclonal antibodies.

01:01:26.000 And one of my friends in New York was really sick.

01:01:29.000 And we had to get him monoclonal antibodies.

01:01:32.000 And it was like one of the last available doses of monoclonal antibodies we could get him.

01:01:37.000 And we got it to him and he got better.

01:01:39.000 But it was like really weird.

01:01:41.000 And do you know there were six of these?

01:01:43.000 That were FDA emergency use authorized, and then one after another, they were taken off the market.

01:01:48.000 And this was all about vaccine hesitancy.

01:01:50.000 Well, they were taken off the market saying, well, the virus mutated, these probably won't work.

01:01:55.000 Well, wait a minute.

01:01:56.000 If the virus mutated and these probably won't work, then why are we still continuing with vaccines?

01:02:00.000 The exact vaccine that was for the wild virus.

01:02:03.000 So here's the point this whole pandemic, my analysis is this was about mass vaccination.

01:02:10.000 Treatment, and if you go through the warm up exercises, so the SPARS pandemic, That was Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in 2017, where the hypothesis is the virus is going to come out of Brazil.

01:02:26.000 And again, there'll be controversy over treatment, but we're going to railroad vaccines.

01:02:31.000 And then Event 201, which is October of 2019, New York City, again, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

01:02:37.000 There, the Chinese CDC is there, George Gao.

01:02:41.000 He's paired up with Averill Haynes, who becomes our Director of National Intelligence.

01:02:45.000 Now, the virus, again, it's a coronavirus, but this time it's coming out of Southeast Asia, maybe the Philippines.

01:02:50.000 Same story.

01:02:51.000 We're going to have confusion over treatment, but the real answer is to railroad mass vaccination.

01:02:56.000 So, we're back to this biopharmaceutical complex.

01:03:00.000 The vision of CEPI, which is one of the key players, that said, listen, no treatment, no treatment.

01:03:08.000 Assume the virus is unassailable.

01:03:11.000 Even if you find something that works, don't use it.

01:03:14.000 Let's feature vaccines.

01:03:17.000 And this probably has something to do with profit and also the fact that they're immune to liability.

01:03:28.000 It could be just this religion with vaccines, which goes back a long way.

01:03:34.000 And it's a head scratcher because, believe me, these monoclonal antibodies, there was Lilly, Sanofi, there was a lot of money.

01:03:41.000 There were thousands of dollars per dose.

01:03:43.000 This was big money.

01:03:46.000 In many ways, per unit, it was way bigger money than the vaccines.

01:03:49.000 And they really worked.

01:03:51.000 But there was something about the narrative and what I call the false narrative.

01:03:55.000 The false narrative was, This virus is unassailable.

01:03:59.000 Don't you dare try to treat it.

01:04:00.000 And it turns out Operation Wards B gave a pretty good answer, which was the monoclonal antibodies.

01:04:07.000 And, you know, for the first two years, in terms of at home, the only oral drugs we had the first year we used hydroxychloroquine plus the other generics, second year, ivermectin.

01:04:17.000 The third year, that's when Paxlovid comes in, Paxlovid, which is a combination drug by Pfizer.

01:04:25.000 And it's not great, but it's not bad.

01:04:27.000 And, you know, the large randomized trials, There was a reduction in hospitalization and death.

01:04:31.000 And I had patients use it.

01:04:32.000 It's a little slow to work, and there's some rebound in drug interactions.

01:04:36.000 But even then, our government didn't feature this.

01:04:41.000 This is, again, so curious.

01:04:44.000 We've got this.

01:04:46.000 Why is it not featured?

01:04:47.000 Why is it still vaccine based?

01:04:50.000 And then also, why did they feature things that turned out to be very detrimental, like remdesivir?

01:04:56.000 Oh.

01:04:58.000 Didn't you know nurses what they used to call it?

01:05:00.000 Run, death is near?

01:05:02.000 The WHO, November of 2020, comes out with a statement with the European Society of Critical Care.

01:05:10.000 They look at this, they say, listen, don't use remdesivir.

01:05:14.000 It doesn't work and it has toxicities.

01:05:17.000 This is the WHO, backed by a very solid physician group.

01:05:22.000 They put this out there.

01:05:24.000 You know, a year and a half later in Lancet, they revisit their original recommendations.

01:05:28.000 Now they've got the WHO Solidarity, they have all the trials, and they say, listen, we were right.

01:05:32.000 Remdesivir still doesn't work.

01:05:34.000 It's got kidney and liver toxicities.

01:05:35.000 It should never have been used.

01:05:37.000 What happens in the United States?

01:05:39.000 We frontline Remdesivir against the WHO.

01:05:43.000 How did that happen?

01:05:44.000 How did that happen?

01:05:45.000 I have absolutely no idea.

01:05:49.000 And when I ask my colleagues in the hospital, they give me blank stares.

01:05:52.000 Because Remdesivir was not formulated for COVID 19.

01:05:54.000 No, it was a failed Ebola drug.

01:05:57.000 And the WHO is strictly saying do not use it, it's still on their website.

01:06:03.000 And it had that side effect, the particular side effect.

01:06:06.000 One of them was kidney failure that didn't exist with COVID 19 infection.

01:06:11.000 No, there was a risk of acute kidney injury with severe illness, but this was additional toxicity.

01:06:16.000 And, you know, I had several patients get it.

01:06:19.000 So I had patients, you know, getting sick going into the hospital.

01:06:22.000 I don't think I had a single, it was a five day series.

01:06:25.000 I didn't have a single patient get through five days because it was so toxic to the liver.

01:06:30.000 We would see the liver injury numbers skyrocket.

01:06:32.000 So liver was the big one.

01:06:34.000 Liver and kidney.

01:06:35.000 The liver can rebound, the kidneys can't.

01:06:37.000 So, some people ended up on dialysis.

01:06:39.000 So, what I had heard was one of the red flags was the high instances of kidney failure.

01:06:44.000 Yeah.

01:06:46.000 And that this wasn't, it didn't match up with just COVID 19 infection.

01:06:51.000 That it was much more rare.

01:06:52.000 Is that what it was?

01:06:53.000 No, it's a correct analysis.

01:06:54.000 That's a correct analysis.

01:06:55.000 These people were very sick.

01:06:57.000 But the fact that you had Health and Human Services go directly against the WHO, and you know, a lot of other countries didn't even use it.

01:07:05.000 So who recommended remdesivir?

01:07:06.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:07:08.000 Well, HHS at that time was Alex Azar.

01:07:09.000 That was under Trump 1.0.

01:07:11.000 Then under Biden, we had Xavier Becerra, and we had Robert Califf, who was the FDA chair.

01:07:20.000 Why didn't they relook at this?

01:07:22.000 Why didn't they have a meeting with the WHO?

01:07:24.000 None of this can be explained.

01:07:26.000 Yeah, the remdesivir one was very disturbing because a doctor that I talked to said, under no circumstances allow anyone that you know to take that stuff.

01:07:40.000 And I was like, well, what is it?

01:07:42.000 It was very weird to have someone say that.

01:07:45.000 And they said, I don't understand why people are prescribing this for COVID 19 infection.

01:07:51.000 Not only does it not seem to be effective, but it seems to be deadly.

01:07:54.000 Which is like, how is that possible that that got through?

01:07:59.000 And listen, at that time, There was a critical study published in one of the best journals for pulmonary medicine called Chest.

01:08:07.000 The first author is Roschter from Florida.

01:08:10.000 It's called the ICON study.

01:08:12.000 And there was a group that got ivermectin in the ER and continued during the hospitalization, and a group who didn't.

01:08:21.000 So it's a very good, it wasn't a randomized trial, but it's a very good, you know, in the heat of the pandemic here in Florida, lots of senior citizens getting sick.

01:08:29.000 Ivermectin has over a 50% reduction in mortality.

01:08:33.000 Very safe.

01:08:35.000 It was, it had matched, case matched, all the ways they can control to make the two groups basically be comparable.

01:08:42.000 Ivermectin hands down saved lives.

01:08:46.000 And when that trial came in, I said, that's it.

01:08:49.000 Every single person should not only be getting monoclonal antibodies, but if they get admitted to the hospital, they should be getting ivermectin.

01:08:55.000 And before you knew it, we started seeing the emails come out don't give ivermectin, don't treat anybody with ivermectin.

01:09:03.000 And Pure Corey, who you've had on your show, Ultimately, published, I think, the best named book in the entire pandemic.

01:09:10.000 It was called The War on Ivermectin.

01:09:12.000 Our regulatory agencies launched a war on ivermectin.

01:09:15.000 Matter of fact, the AMA in 2021 came out with an official policy.

01:09:21.000 This is a trade group for doctors, American Medical Association.

01:09:24.000 It says our objective in this campaign is to abolish the use of ivermectin.

01:09:30.000 Something that has a 50% effective rate of stopping hospitalization and death.

01:09:38.000 And it was the most rapid acting drug.

01:09:41.000 So we saw patients.

01:09:42.000 We ultimately published on this.

01:09:44.000 Sabine Hazen in Malibu gets great credit.

01:09:47.000 Dr. Etherios Koukoualkos down in Rio Grande was in our team.

01:09:53.000 Tom Barodi, who's passed away from Australia.

01:09:56.000 We had a great international team.

01:09:57.000 We showed that ivermectin can actually recover oxygen levels in people sick at home, people with low oxygen levels.

01:10:05.000 We had patients in South Africa, United States.

01:10:09.000 I had some of my patients.

01:10:10.000 I had a couple.

01:10:11.000 That their oxygen saturations were so deeply low, they said, Listen, if we go to the hospital, they're going to put us on the ventilator.

01:10:18.000 We're going to die.

01:10:21.000 We're not going to come back from that.

01:10:22.000 And they were right.

01:10:23.000 The early ventilatory mortality rates were through the roof.

01:10:25.000 And so we let their oxygen saturations go down.

01:10:29.000 Now, normal oxygen saturation, right now, you should be over 94%.

01:10:33.000 The hospital started getting worried when we saw below 90% or 88%, what have you.

01:10:39.000 They started putting people on the ventilator typically in the 80s.

01:10:43.000 I had these people at home.

01:10:45.000 And they had home oxygen, you know, then COVID was a long illness.

01:10:49.000 This was 2020, 2021, in the 70s, in the 70s.

01:10:53.000 70s, and they go to the kitchen, maybe get something to eat, then they go into the 60s.

01:10:57.000 And I'd say, Here are the rules.

01:11:00.000 Can you manage the work of breathing?

01:11:03.000 I know you're a little breathless, but have you ever been to Pikes Peak or been, you know, you're a little breathless, but you can manage, right?

01:11:09.000 So, this idea of can you manage the work of breathing and can you think clearly?

01:11:13.000 It's very important.

01:11:14.000 So, if there's mentation and you can manage the work of breathing, we can, it's called permissive hypoxemia.

01:11:20.000 Turns out it was a brilliant strategy.

01:11:22.000 And when we published these papers, and Etherios Glucalacus is the first author from UT Rio Grande.

01:11:28.000 We realized, oh my God, all these people who were put on the ventilator, it wasn't needed.

01:11:34.000 The vast majority, we could have just allowed the oxygen saturation to go down, provided we were using ivermectin in the multi drug protocol.

01:11:43.000 So, what this war on ivermectin, do you think that this was about vaccine hesitancy?

01:11:49.000 This was about people found out that you could use ivermectin.

01:11:53.000 And, you know, there's that famous Rolling Stone article, which I'll never forgive them from.

01:11:57.000 It was so disgusting.

01:11:58.000 They showed a bunch of people waiting in line at a hospital, and they said that people were waiting in line for the emergency room with gunshot wounds because so many people were overdosing with veterinary medication, ivermectin.

01:12:14.000 They were calling it veterinary medication, of course.

01:12:16.000 I mean, they called it horse dewormer on CNN with me.

01:12:19.000 Oh, my God.

01:12:20.000 Do you remember that article?

01:12:21.000 It's a crazy article because the people that are waiting in line are wearing winter coats.

01:12:21.000 Yes.

01:12:26.000 These people are waiting in line for the flu shot.

01:12:28.000 Right.

01:12:29.000 It wasn't the same.

01:12:30.000 It was July in Oklahoma or August in Oklahoma.

01:12:33.000 It's complete fraud.

01:12:34.000 Do you know the FDA had out there, it's only a horse dewormer and all these things?

01:12:39.000 You're not a horse.

01:12:40.000 So Paul Merrick, who's one of the best critical care doctors in the world, Dr. Apter from Arizona, Mary Taylor Bowden, who you've had on the show, they sue the FDA.

01:12:52.000 They sue the FDA and say, listen, you're making false claims about ivermectin.

01:12:56.000 The FDA gets lawyers, they start to engage.

01:13:00.000 The lawyer said, okay, we'll take down all our false information.

01:13:04.000 So the FDA, under Biden and Robert Califf, who is the commissioner of the FDA, had a false campaign on ivermectin to dissuade people from using it.

01:13:15.000 What is the root of this?

01:13:16.000 Like, what is the original person that says, go out and do this?

01:13:22.000 So it has to be.

01:13:23.000 Joe, it was in Australia, it was in Europe, it was in India.

01:13:28.000 You know, they tried it.

01:13:28.000 Even in India when it was effective.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, they tried it.

01:13:31.000 There was a guy who came out from Emory, an Indian doctor from Emory, said, Listen, my mom just got revived with ivermectin.

01:13:37.000 That guy got squashed in two seconds.

01:13:39.000 All over the world, there was some type of incredible force to squash what I think was the most valuable drug out of all the drugs in the pandemic.

01:13:49.000 I think I put ivermectin number one, I put steroids number two, and down the line, we used about five or six drugs in combination.

01:13:56.000 So we get to just this last hearing that Ron Johnson has.

01:14:00.000 And one of the most spectacular witnesses is an attorney, Ralph Lorigo.

01:14:04.000 I don't know if you saw this.

01:14:06.000 So people started contacting him and saying, listen, my loved one's in the hospital.

01:14:10.000 I think they could be saved with ivermectin.

01:14:12.000 The doctors and hospitals are not allowing him to get ivermectin.

01:14:16.000 I can't bring it into him.

01:14:18.000 I want to get a court order to get him treated.

01:14:22.000 So, of 62 cases where he got the court order and they actually got the ivermectin into the patient, they lived.

01:14:31.000 Of the over 100 cases where they didn't get the court order or they got the court order and they still blocked the ivermectin, they all died.

01:14:39.000 And what Lorigo said listen, I'm a lawyer.

01:14:43.000 This isn't a randomized trial, it's not, but these are the data.

01:14:47.000 What I'm telling you is, if we would have had ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, McCullough protocol, which involved nasal sprays, gargles, all the vitamins, secondary antibiotics, aspirin, colchicine, antithrombotics, McCullough protocol, as I published it in the American Journal of Medicine, was more extensive than what people got in the hospital.

01:15:05.000 I've testified under oath that 85% of these deaths could have been avoided.

01:15:09.000 How is that possible in 2020, 2021, with the internet, with all the available information?

01:15:19.000 With people being able to speak freely, how is it possible that they suppress this information to such an extent that they suppress doctors using this on their patients, supposedly people that had been in their care, so probably a lot of people that they knew and loved and watched die?

01:15:38.000 How is this possible?

01:15:38.000 Aaron Ross Powell Censorship made it possible.

01:15:43.000 The power of YouTube censorship and Google and Twitter and all of the social media, any One of us trying to, you know, we're making observations, we're finding things that work, and we're putting out these observations were crushed.

01:16:02.000 And I tell you, it wasn't just social media, it was in the medical literature.

01:16:06.000 So I'm thankful.

01:16:07.000 You know, I published the most widely used protocol in the world that probably saved tens of millions of lives, spared hundreds of millions of hospitalizations.

01:16:15.000 The pandemic would have been a lot worse without my protocol published in American Journal of Medicine, which is, you know, right up there with the New England Journal of Medicine.

01:16:22.000 But when I got these letters to the editor in, I got one from McGill.

01:16:27.000 I got one from Manash in Australia.

01:16:29.000 I got one from Brazil.

01:16:32.000 They said, Dr. McCullough, you can't do this.

01:16:34.000 You can't treat COVID patients.

01:16:37.000 You don't have enough evidence.

01:16:39.000 That's what Ashish Jha told me in the U.S. Senate, November 19, 2020.

01:16:44.000 And I was there with George Fried.

01:16:45.000 George Fried was with Fauci at the NIH 50 years ago.

01:16:50.000 George Fried said, I'm using hydroxychloroquine and other drugs in combination.

01:16:53.000 I mean, California, there's tons of Hispanics.

01:16:55.000 They're pretty poor baseline care, and I'm saving them.

01:16:58.000 He treated 6,000 patients.

01:17:00.000 Mary Telly Bowden treated thousands of patients in Houston.

01:17:03.000 We're reporting what's working.

01:17:06.000 I was told, listen, you can't do this.

01:17:08.000 You don't have enough data.

01:17:09.000 We'll only have enough data for the vaccines.

01:17:14.000 That's what Ashish Jaw said.

01:17:15.000 And you know what?

01:17:16.000 The next day in the New York Times, he publishes an op ed.

01:17:21.000 Now, I'm senior to him by a mile in academic medicine.

01:17:24.000 He has done nothing compared to me.

01:17:26.000 And you know what he publishes?

01:17:28.000 That I'm a snake oil salesman.

01:17:30.000 I'm a snake oil salesman of the state.

01:17:31.000 Is that guy still working?

01:17:33.000 I think he's back as being a dean somewhere in the Northeast.

01:17:36.000 Wow.

01:17:38.000 So we saw stuff like that happen.

01:17:40.000 And in the medical literature, we began to see retractions now.

01:17:44.000 Retraction.

01:17:44.000 Wait a minute.

01:17:45.000 I've been an editor of major journals for decades.

01:17:48.000 I've never retracted a paper because the submission and peer review process is so arduous and so intensive.

01:17:56.000 Some papers can take years to get published.

01:17:58.000 But when they're published, they're considered valid.

01:18:01.000 People may not like them.

01:18:02.000 They can write letters to the editor.

01:18:03.000 We can debate things.

01:18:05.000 But what we saw is we saw papers.

01:18:07.000 Retracted.

01:18:09.000 So, any paper that actually showed that therapeutics could work was threatened, potentially could be retracted.

01:18:17.000 Any paper that saw any flaw with the vaccines, ooh, watch out.

01:18:21.000 And so, what we'd get these notices that said, you know, we had a problem with reference 42 and 43.

01:18:29.000 That's not a reason for retraction, you know, questioning administratively a reference.

01:18:35.000 And yet, these administrative retractions started coming in from all over.

01:18:39.000 And so now the medical literature became tainted and biased.

01:18:46.000 And it's biased in only one direction, and it is favoring vaccines and disfavoring everything else.

01:18:52.000 Trevor Burrus There's another thing I want to talk to you about when it comes to vaccination during a pandemic.

01:18:59.000 Previous literature had pointed to discouraging vaccination during a pandemic because it encouraged variants.

01:19:06.000 Aaron Powell, Gert van der Bosch, a virologist.

01:19:13.000 He's actually a doctor of veterinary medicine, but he had put that statement out in a valid way that we should never vaccinate in a pandemic.

01:19:22.000 Never.

01:19:23.000 Because when you get a viral infection, it's up there in the nose, it's percolating, by the way, for about a week.

01:19:29.000 You never know it's there.

01:19:30.000 And then it drains back to the throat, the lymphatics.

01:19:32.000 You get a sore throat.

01:19:33.000 That's the first sign you think you have a virus.

01:19:35.000 You've already had it up here for about seven days, it's percolating.

01:19:39.000 You don't have a single viral strain, you probably have a thousand different.

01:19:44.000 Substraints.

01:19:45.000 Just the virus replicates, it makes little mistakes.

01:19:48.000 You introduce a vaccine.

01:19:49.000 The vaccine has antibodies.

01:19:51.000 The antibodies in the nose are called IgA.

01:19:53.000 There's certain cells that can recognize the virus in the nose.

01:19:58.000 They're keyed in on a certain strain.

01:20:01.000 Well, the virus that's there that can escape this and thrive, it's going to thrive.

01:20:08.000 That's an evolutionary principle.

01:20:11.000 So, of course, in a widely prevalent respiratory viral pandemic, Vaccination is the worst strategy.

01:20:18.000 Especially with a leaky vaccine, a vaccine that does not prevent infection.

01:20:22.000 It's not sterilizing.

01:20:23.000 Right.

01:20:23.000 See, it's not sterilizing and it can't be sterilizing.

01:20:26.000 If you had, because the vaccines were all coded for one part.

01:20:33.000 Oh, and Joe, I have to give you your virus at this stage.

01:20:35.000 You got to give me a virus?

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:36.000 Oh, boy.

01:20:37.000 I brought this all the way from Amazon.

01:20:41.000 You got to give me a virus from the Amazon?

01:20:44.000 Oh, Amazon.com?

01:20:45.000 I'm going to give you three of them.

01:20:49.000 So here you go.

01:20:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:20:50.000 So this is the example.

01:20:51.000 Am I sick now?

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:52.000 How does that work?

01:20:53.000 So listen, all these guys are all SARS CoV 2, but they're a little different, okay?

01:20:58.000 So the vaccines, Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen, and Novavax, they're only directed against the spike protein, which is this little spike on the surface.

01:20:58.000 Okay.

01:21:09.000 It turns out there are like 30 other proteins inside the nucleocapsid.

01:21:12.000 So all the virus has to do is change its spike protein a little bit, and it's free.

01:21:18.000 See, it's very different than a sterilizing vaccine.

01:21:22.000 A sterilizing vaccine would be comprehensive against many, many different proteins.

01:21:27.000 Even if you changed a little bit, the body's immune system could wipe it out.

01:21:32.000 Can you give me an example of a sterilizing vaccine?

01:21:33.000 You know, there's not good examples for viral vaccines.

01:21:36.000 So, for instance, influenza vaccines are not sterilizing, pertussis vaccines are not sterilizing.

01:21:42.000 It's hard to understand me.

01:21:45.000 Maybe some of the bacterial vaccines, I'd have to put some, I'd probably have to consult an expert.

01:21:51.000 On this, to tell you the truth.

01:21:53.000 But the idea is for sure going after the spike protein alone was a mistake because that's actually the most pleomorphic or mutational part of the whole virus.

01:22:06.000 The envelope protein, the nucleocapsid, they don't change that much, but the virus would just say, listen, I'll just change the spike protein.

01:22:12.000 And so there were papers by a Corsi, a Cherian, and others that measured the viral load in the nose and mouth of the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

01:22:21.000 And they were the same.

01:22:24.000 This is in 2021.

01:22:25.000 So, vaccinated were going around with the virus, and they were equally as contagious.

01:22:30.000 We were equally as contagious.

01:22:32.000 They were infecting other vaccinated people.

01:22:35.000 And there was a paper from Houston.

01:22:37.000 Fahrenhope said an entire vaccinated wedding and they all got COVID.

01:22:40.000 They all had taken the vaccine.

01:22:42.000 So in August of 2021, Rochelle Lewinsky comes out.

01:22:46.000 And this is a press release.

01:22:48.000 So listen, got a news release.

01:22:51.000 The vaccines are not stopping transmission of the virus.

01:22:54.000 She says it officially.

01:22:56.000 What happens within a few months?

01:22:59.000 All the employers in the Biden administration and the athletic teams say vaccine mandates.

01:23:06.000 So, they mandated the vaccines after the knowledge that they don't stop transmission.

01:23:11.000 The only reason to ever mandate a vaccine would be that it was going to protect the workplace.

01:23:16.000 One of the more egregious bits of propaganda was Rachel Maddow on TV saying, The virus stops with you.

01:23:23.000 You remember that?

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:24.000 If you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you.

01:23:28.000 You can't infect anyone else, you can't get infected.

01:23:32.000 We can get out of this.

01:23:33.000 The virus stops with you.

01:23:36.000 What made her so confident?

01:23:38.000 Well, she's a lesbian.

01:23:42.000 When you're a lesbian on television, you have incredible confidence.

01:23:45.000 Also, she's wearing a nice suit.

01:23:46.000 She's on television.

01:23:47.000 She's got the longest neck.

01:23:49.000 I don't know.

01:23:50.000 She's obviously very smart.

01:23:50.000 It's like a giraffe.

01:23:51.000 That's why she's so confident.

01:23:56.000 I think that people have a hard time with ambiguity.

01:24:03.000 I don't think that.

01:24:04.000 I think they were giving a mandate.

01:24:06.000 I think she was told to discuss it in that manner.

01:24:09.000 But listen, you never said that.

01:24:10.000 I never said that.

01:24:11.000 Well, I certainly didn't.

01:24:12.000 I got in trouble for not doing that.

01:24:14.000 I know when people ask me, listen, I'm a doctor.

01:24:15.000 This thing was rolling out.

01:24:17.000 My patients were asking me, Dr. McCullough, should I take a vaccine?

01:24:20.000 My honest answer is, I don't know.

01:24:23.000 I don't know if they work.

01:24:26.000 I don't know if they're safe.

01:24:28.000 So, ambiguity that's the important point.

01:24:31.000 There was nobody in the public health apparatus that could even live with ambiguity for a second.

01:24:38.000 Did you ever see the Facebook call with Mark Zuckerberg dealing with the entire stuff where he's like, There's a call where he's like warning people about this.

01:24:46.000 We're saying we don't really know what's going to happen with this gene therapy.

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 This is like early on.

01:24:55.000 But can you?

01:24:56.000 Well, by the way, do you remember during Trump's administration was when all this was discussed?

01:25:01.000 And all of these people, including Kamala Harris, all these people were saying, Are you going to trust a vaccine that Trump comes up with?

01:25:09.000 I'm not going to trust it.

01:25:11.000 I remember that.

01:25:11.000 Oh, I'm not going to trust it.

01:25:11.000 Do you remember that?

01:25:11.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 That switch over when Biden became president, then everybody trusted him.

01:25:16.000 And then nobody called him on it.

01:25:17.000 It's the exact same vaccine, but yet because Trump wasn't involved anymore and it was Biden promoting it, everybody was gung ho for the same exact medication that they wouldn't trust because Trump was a part of it.

01:25:31.000 Well, why would a medical problem get politicized?

01:25:33.000 It affects both Democrats and Republicans.

01:25:35.000 Everything's politicized in this stupid country.

01:25:37.000 But this is the type of thing where you'd say, listen, they're not going to take a vaccine under Trump, but under Biden, it's the same vaccine they're going to take it.

01:25:45.000 This is this madness that we saw through the pandemic.

01:25:49.000 But sadly, people were harmed.

01:25:50.000 I'm on record in the U.S. Senate saying that 85% of these deaths, of COVID deaths, could have been spared with an intensive early treatment program at home, continued through the hospitalization, including monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin.

01:26:03.000 Listen, when Paxlovid came in or Molnopiravir, terrific.

01:26:06.000 Believe it or not, we have a drug now that's approved for post exposure prophylaxis in really sick patients called Zukova.

01:26:13.000 I can prescribe it, and people can take it once they've been exposed to COVID.

01:26:16.000 There's even a monoclonal antibody.

01:26:18.000 Pair called Pemgarda.

01:26:20.000 I can prescribe that and give it an infusion every three months if I had a really sick and frail person.

01:26:26.000 Frail person.

01:26:27.000 People who had organ transplants and other serious diseases were more prone to death, not because of the virus, but because of their frailty.

01:26:40.000 This is very important.

01:26:42.000 It turns out for the viral infection, we actually gave immunosuppressants.

01:26:46.000 Steroids are immunosuppressants.

01:26:48.000 So being immunosuppressed itself was not I mean, I've had people with heart transplants who went through it.

01:26:53.000 That's not the problem, it's the frailty.

01:26:56.000 And you know, The opposite, when we got to people, look how big and strong you are, Joe.

01:27:01.000 You get to people, there was a paper by Daniels and colleagues from the NCAA, and there were two papers in college athletics.

01:27:11.000 Do you know by 2020, 30% of all college athletes and kids had already had COVID in 2020?

01:27:18.000 By the time we get to 2022, 70% had gotten COVID.

01:27:23.000 And do you know among all those athletes, no serious cases, no hospitalizations and deaths.

01:27:29.000 Right.

01:27:30.000 Importantly, there was no data at all that showed that the vaccine stopped infection or stopped transmission.

01:27:37.000 So when they were saying that so confidently on television, they were completely talking out of their ass.

01:27:42.000 Well, you knew it.

01:27:43.000 The original trials, remember, it was one month of the primary series, and they kind of cheated on that.

01:27:49.000 So the primary series in the vaccine group, you weren't considered an infection.

01:27:55.000 An infection didn't count until after two shots.

01:27:58.000 But in the placebo, It did.

01:28:01.000 See, there was modify intent to treat.

01:28:04.000 That was actually cheating.

01:28:05.000 You should count all the infections in both groups equally.

01:28:08.000 There's an analysis by Michaels and colleagues that had nailed this down.

01:28:12.000 But in the clinical trials, there's one month of getting the shots and there's two months of observation.

01:28:17.000 So when Rachel Maddow says that, or anybody says that at month four, no one could have known.

01:28:24.000 The trial was only two months after the primary series.

01:28:26.000 So that's an example.

01:28:27.000 So what instructed people?

01:28:29.000 What was it about them that made them say it so confident?

01:28:32.000 It's a wishful.

01:28:34.000 I think people are wishful that they take on this religious zeal around vaccines.

01:28:40.000 And I've been looking for the memos.

01:28:42.000 I'm a frequent contributor on Fox.

01:28:44.000 I go on all the stations.

01:28:46.000 I'm looking for the memo that says, listen, become a zealot over the vaccines.

01:28:50.000 I never got any memo like that.

01:28:52.000 And I saw it happen worldwide, by the way.

01:28:54.000 So it's all over the world.

01:28:56.000 I think there's an infectious, contagious groupthink around this.

01:29:01.000 Mass formation psychosis.

01:29:02.000 And people, there's a word about people.

01:29:02.000 Yes.

01:29:08.000 Who mimic other people's behaviors?

01:29:11.000 They hear something and they just kind of chime in.

01:29:13.000 And it's called a mimesis.

01:29:16.000 There was a mass mimesis and people fell into this.

01:29:21.000 And this is stunning that very few people could see it.

01:29:25.000 Now, once you could see it, it seems like you could see it right away.

01:29:28.000 I could see it right away.

01:29:29.000 Well, I couldn't see it right away.

01:29:30.000 I almost got vaccinated.

01:29:33.000 You know, the UFC allocated a bunch of vaccines for all of their employees.

01:29:37.000 We were doing shows during the pandemic.

01:29:38.000 In a place called the Apex Center.

01:29:40.000 The Apex Center is a very small arena that the UFC has.

01:29:44.000 And what they did was they had shows where they would put on fights, but they COVID tested everyone and all the staff, all the corner people, and all the fighters.

01:29:54.000 And so you would show up.

01:29:56.000 I got tested before I got on a plane.

01:29:59.000 I landed.

01:29:59.000 I went to Vegas.

01:30:00.000 I got tested in Vegas.

01:30:02.000 And then you had to isolate and then you had to show up for the event.

01:30:05.000 They told me, We have the COVID vaccine.

01:30:08.000 Do you want to take it?

01:30:09.000 And I said, Sure.

01:30:10.000 This is early.

01:30:12.000 The UFC was the first organization.

01:30:14.000 What month?

01:30:15.000 I wish I could remember.

01:30:16.000 I don't.

01:30:17.000 But it was the Johnson Johnson, is what they had allocated.

01:30:20.000 One shot, you're done.

01:30:21.000 I'm like, okay, give it to me.

01:30:22.000 So I showed up on a Saturday and I showed up for the event and I said, hey, can you vaccinate me?

01:30:28.000 I was going to get vaccinated before the fights.

01:30:31.000 So I got there in the morning and I was like, can you guys vaccinate me?

01:30:34.000 And they said, yeah, we're going to get the doctor.

01:30:36.000 We'll call you right back.

01:30:37.000 And then they said, I talked to the doctor.

01:30:39.000 He said, we can't do it here.

01:30:41.000 Can you come to the clinic on Monday?

01:30:44.000 I said, I can't come on Monday.

01:30:46.000 I have to leave tomorrow, but I'll be back in two weeks for the next event.

01:30:50.000 Can we do it then?

01:30:51.000 They said, yes.

01:30:52.000 Great.

01:30:53.000 During that two weeks, two people I knew had strokes.

01:30:57.000 After taking the shots?

01:30:57.000 After taking the shots.

01:30:58.000 That you knew personally?

01:30:59.000 Yes.

01:31:00.000 One that I didn't know personally, but a good friend of mine knew.

01:31:04.000 And then one that I knew.

01:31:06.000 And a bunch of people got really ill.

01:31:08.000 And it was weird.

01:31:09.000 And I said, hang on, what's going on here?

01:31:12.000 And that's when I started to get a little hesitant.

01:31:13.000 Because one of the guys was 50 years old and very healthy.

01:31:16.000 And I was like, this is weird.

01:31:18.000 It was weird.

01:31:19.000 And I just started getting a little nervous.

01:31:21.000 And I was never vaccine hesitant at all.

01:31:24.000 In fact, there's been podcasts before where I was mocking people.

01:31:29.000 That were anti vaccine.

01:31:30.000 I thought that was ridiculous.

01:31:32.000 I had thought that all the science had been settled.

01:31:34.000 Vaccines were the most important.

01:31:36.000 I mean, I had a joke that I did in my last comedy special before COVID.

01:31:40.000 I thought vaccines were the most important invention in human history after vaccines or after COVID, rather.

01:31:46.000 I was like, I don't think we went to the moon because I was like, I think there's so much horse shit.

01:31:50.000 There's so much lies and so much propaganda.

01:31:53.000 I don't believe anything anymore.

01:31:55.000 This is crazy.

01:31:56.000 So I had gone through that.

01:31:59.000 And then I said, okay, let me figure out.

01:32:01.000 What's going to happen?

01:32:02.000 Then my family got sick, and my wife got sick, and my kids got sick, and I never got it.

01:32:09.000 I had a couple of days where I felt a little weird in the gym, so I just worked out lightly.

01:32:15.000 But I work out almost every day, and I have a very strict vitamin protocol.

01:32:21.000 I take vitamins every day, and I take a bunch.

01:32:25.000 I take vitamin D, I take vitamin A, K2, K3, I take it all.

01:32:33.000 I'm very healthy.

01:32:34.000 And I think it's part of that.

01:32:35.000 And I'm a firm believer in supplementation.

01:32:37.000 This is not just voodoo.

01:32:39.000 It's just me talking to scientists and me talking to doctors and me talking to athletes in particular.

01:32:45.000 And so I was hesitant about it then.

01:32:47.000 And then I knew multiple people that had problems, multiple people that had real problems.

01:32:52.000 One of my friends had to get a pacemaker.

01:32:54.000 He was in his 40s.

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 Another one that I knew started blacking out.

01:33:00.000 He had to get a pacemaker.

01:33:01.000 It was a friend of mine, a good friend of mine's brother who was a dentist.

01:33:04.000 He had to get a pacemaker.

01:33:06.000 And he was in his 30s.

01:33:08.000 Okay, it got really fucking weird.

01:33:10.000 And I was like, what is going on here?

01:33:12.000 Now, I had already known about certain side effects of pharmaceutical drugs that had been suppressed.

01:33:19.000 You know, one of them was Vioxx because I knew a guy who had a stroke who was a UFC fighter who was an elite athlete and he had, you know, knee problems and arthritis and took Vioxx, had a stroke.

01:33:31.000 And I was like, what the fuck is going on?

01:33:35.000 I was like, something weird is happening.

01:33:37.000 And I knew that vaccine or, excuse me, pharmaceutical drug companies would.

01:33:41.000 Put out medications that they knew were going to have potential deadly side effects.

01:33:46.000 And Vioxx wound up killing somewhere around 50,000 Americans, right?

01:33:50.000 So I started getting hesitant.

01:33:51.000 But then when my family got it and I didn't get it, I mean, I slept with my wife.

01:33:56.000 I slept in the bed with her.

01:33:57.000 I had sex with her.

01:33:58.000 I hugged my kids.

01:33:59.000 I didn't do shit.

01:34:00.000 I didn't wear a mask.

01:34:01.000 I'm like, I think I'll just get it and get it over with.

01:34:05.000 But I didn't get it.

01:34:06.000 I was like, this is weird.

01:34:07.000 I thought this shit was just going to get you like a ghost.

01:34:10.000 It was going to haunt you.

01:34:11.000 And if you're around people that have COVID, you're fucked.

01:34:15.000 But no.

01:34:16.000 I didn't get it at all.

01:34:17.000 And the only time I got it was a couple, like a year later or two, whatever it was.

01:34:23.000 I was in Florida and I had done a bunch of shows.

01:34:26.000 I was doing arenas, right?

01:34:28.000 So I was doing stand up comedy in front of 16,000 people.

01:34:31.000 Everyone's laughing, which is like the worst way, right?

01:34:35.000 And my friend John, my friend John Shulman, who's a guy who makes pool cues, shout out to John Shulman, good buddy of mine, he and I met up to play pool.

01:34:46.000 And we played pool till like 5 o'clock in the morning and had a bunch of margaritas, had drinks.

01:34:51.000 I was exhausted at the end of it.

01:34:52.000 And then I started feeling terrible the next day.

01:34:54.000 And that's when I got COVID.

01:34:56.000 But it was just because I had destroyed my immune system by staying up till 5 o'clock in the morning playing pool and drinking.

01:35:01.000 Well, if you heard of germ versus terrain, right?

01:35:04.000 So the idea is you probably had the virus many, many times in your nasopharynx.

01:35:09.000 And your immune system was working, working, working.

01:35:11.000 You just have enough of a wrinkle in it, or you get a big enough inoculum.

01:35:17.000 That is, you get enough of it at once.

01:35:20.000 Now, interestingly, I think it was my immune system being distilled.

01:35:23.000 Right.

01:35:23.000 You just get a little.

01:35:24.000 It was me getting drinking.

01:35:26.000 I think the drinking was the thing.

01:35:27.000 So, the vaccine you were going to take is Janssen.

01:35:32.000 Janssen was an adenoviral vaccine.

01:35:34.000 So, it's not messenger RNA.

01:35:35.000 So, this is a replication incompetent adenovirus.

01:35:39.000 It gives the genetic instructions temporarily for your body to make a massive amount of the spike protein.

01:35:46.000 Right.

01:35:46.000 Massive.

01:35:47.000 Right.

01:35:48.000 And the adenoviral vector itself is thrombogenic.

01:35:52.000 And so, and by the way, Janssen and AstraZeneca are nearly the same.

01:35:56.000 They were made by the same manufacturer, Emerging Biosolutions, out of Baltimore, a biodefense contractor.

01:36:02.000 It's kind of interesting.

01:36:03.000 Why is a biodefense contractor making a human vaccine for a pandemic?

01:36:08.000 Anyhow, so you have AZ and you have Janssen going.

01:36:12.000 None of the companies make their own products, they subcontract to biodefense contractors.

01:36:17.000 Oi.

01:36:18.000 Moderna is made by a company called Resilience.

01:36:21.000 Anyhow, funded by the DOD.

01:36:23.000 Back on the story.

01:36:24.000 So the point is, This one was so thrombogenic.

01:36:28.000 There's a disease named after it.

01:36:30.000 It's called VITT, Vaccine Induced Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia.

01:36:34.000 So the platelet count goes down.

01:36:36.000 Massive blood clots form.

01:36:37.000 Blood clots form actually in the brain, in the major sinuses in the brain.

01:36:41.000 This is horrible.

01:36:43.000 And when that happens, there's a 30% mortality rate.

01:36:45.000 People have to have their skulls opened.

01:36:47.000 There were huge blood clots forming in the legs, shooting to the lungs.

01:36:52.000 It was so bad that AstraZeneca and Janssen, you know, we got to mid pandemic.

01:36:58.000 And court cases were coming up all over, and they both withdrew their vaccines.

01:37:04.000 Pfizer and Moderna had the same blood clot problems, and they stuck with it.

01:37:09.000 They should have all pulled off.

01:37:11.000 And you avoided a nightmare because that vaccine was a blood clot threat to anybody who took it.

01:37:22.000 It's very important to understand that all of these vaccines have risks and benefits.

01:37:30.000 COVID vaccines, the equation is so stilted towards risk and so minimal on theoretical benefit, it became the most obvious example of something really going wrong in a biopharmaceutical equation.

01:37:44.000 And when I've pushed artificial intelligence and I've said, listen, look at the major journals Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, British Medical Journal, New England Journal of Medicine, I've published in all of them.

01:37:58.000 And I said, Find a paper where the conclusion is that the risks outweigh the benefits.

01:38:08.000 You can't find one.

01:38:10.000 100%, no matter what, say that the theoretical benefits outweigh the real risks.

01:38:17.000 Now, you go elsewhere, you can find the papers.

01:38:20.000 What does that tell you?

01:38:21.000 There's editorial bias.

01:38:23.000 They're not going to allow a paper in one of these big journals that concludes this.

01:38:28.000 And I can tell you, with anything else in medicine, there's balance.

01:38:30.000 If you take papers on statins, there'll be papers saying, well, you know, the risks outweigh the benefits here.

01:38:37.000 Back surgery, there's always a balance when it comes to these COVID vaccines.

01:38:41.000 There's no balance.

01:38:43.000 It's a 100% bias.

01:38:45.000 And I think it comes from the originator.

01:38:48.000 So these papers come from large academic institutions.

01:38:51.000 They all mandated the vaccines.

01:38:54.000 All the authors took the vaccines.

01:38:57.000 They pushed the vaccines on their patients.

01:38:59.000 Do you think a paper is going to come out from Harvard or Baylor or Emory or UCLA concluding that the vaccines, the risks outweigh the benefits?

01:39:09.000 That paper is not even going to be.

01:39:12.000 Get out the door.

01:39:13.000 That's terrifying if it's true.

01:39:14.000 It's true.

01:39:15.000 But I know it's true.

01:39:16.000 Because I was a division chief, I was a program director, I was a chief academic scientific officer.

01:39:21.000 I had to sign off on these papers.

01:39:23.000 If I was at an institution where there was a mandate and a paper like that came, and I'm sure they're out there, there's no way they would get approved.

01:39:31.000 Now, one of the things that's really disturbing is reports that people today, five years after they've been vaccinated, their body's still producing spike proteins.

01:39:45.000 We published the first, Hosher and colleagues.

01:39:47.000 We published this in the European Society of Medicine, Medical Archives, a patient of mine.

01:39:53.000 He's worked for a pharmaceutical company.

01:39:56.000 He's trying to do the right thing.

01:39:59.000 In 2014, before the pandemic, he has a blood clot, which people can have, and he got treated for it.

01:40:06.000 So we knew clinically he was at risk for blood clots.

01:40:09.000 So he takes two Pfizers.

01:40:11.000 What happens?

01:40:12.000 He gets blood clots, and they shoot to his lungs with two Pfizers.

01:40:15.000 And he develops myocarditis, proven by MRI.

01:40:18.000 His employer says, Listen, it's time for boosters.

01:40:20.000 You got to take a booster.

01:40:22.000 He takes a booster.

01:40:23.000 He has even more blood clots.

01:40:26.000 He said, Listen, this is nuts.

01:40:27.000 I'm going to die with these things.

01:40:29.000 So he sees me.

01:40:30.000 We engage in research.

01:40:32.000 We do blood tests, skin biopsies, everything.

01:40:35.000 And we do repeated samples.

01:40:37.000 We use a lab in Germany doing research.

01:40:40.000 We find Pfizer intact and circulating in his blood and the spike protein for three and a half years after the shot.

01:40:49.000 How in the world can the vaccine be there?

01:40:52.000 There's little pieces of code for it.

01:40:54.000 And it has to do with a Nobel Prize winning advancement called pseudouridination.

01:41:01.000 And what happened is in the development of messenger RNA, which is a very long development history, it goes back to the 80s.

01:41:07.000 There's a paper by Lalani and colleagues that outlines this.

01:41:11.000 There's people who have been working on this forever because it's a wonderful way to make a peptide, by the way.

01:41:15.000 Talk about making designer peptides.

01:41:17.000 Messenger RNA would be a great way to make peptides because that's what it does.

01:41:21.000 So you take messenger RNA.

01:41:24.000 And your body is making it right now.

01:41:27.000 It's reading it.

01:41:28.000 It's producing proteins.

01:41:31.000 You're making proteins.

01:41:32.000 You and I are making proteins.

01:41:33.000 We're talking to each other.

01:41:34.000 That messenger RNA is single use.

01:41:37.000 Natural messenger RNA is dissolved by RNAases, ribodeoxynucleases.

01:41:42.000 So it's single use.

01:41:43.000 And you make more?

01:41:44.000 So when synthetic messenger RNA came along and you gave it to patients back in the 80s or 90s, the body would dissolve it, wouldn't do much.

01:41:54.000 And then the idea, and Caracol and Weissman had this idea there's four base pairs for RNA adenine, guanine, thymusine, and uracil.

01:42:07.000 Replace the uracil with a synthetic nucleoside analog called pseudouridine.

01:42:13.000 So, what happened in the Pfizer and Moderna development program, and Carrico and Wiseman had, you know, we're going to win the Nobel Prize for inventing this in 2022, and they got it, is they said, okay, let's replace 25% of the uracil, see if it lasts longer.

01:42:30.000 Well, it lasts a little bit longer.

01:42:31.000 Well, how about replace half of them?

01:42:33.000 It lasts even longer.

01:42:34.000 And they got down to the end.

01:42:36.000 They had to make a decision.

01:42:37.000 They said, damn the torpedoes.

01:42:39.000 Replace all of them.

01:42:41.000 And when they did that, they made a synthetic messenger RNA that appears to be nearly completely resistant to any human breakdown.

01:42:54.000 It's synthetic.

01:42:55.000 And so now there's a molecule in people's bodies that for some, they can't degrade it, they can't get rid of it.

01:43:05.000 And one of these is my patient.

01:43:06.000 Now, there's polymorphisms in our enzymatic clearance system.

01:43:11.000 Some people have loss of function mutations in there.

01:43:13.000 They're the ones who are probably accumulating messenger RNA.

01:43:16.000 Other people are clearing this out just fine.

01:43:19.000 But the scary proposition is there are people who have taken this vaccine, Pfizer, Moderna, it's still in their body, it's still producing spike protein, it's accumulating.

01:43:28.000 And then, sure enough, look what just happened to Chris Murphy.

01:43:33.000 Sure enough, four years after a shot, stroke.

01:43:42.000 And people are still taking this.

01:43:44.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:43:45.000 But enough that I've seen people post about it online, like openly bragging or at least signaling that they're following the science.

01:43:58.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:43:59.000 The CDC quit keeping track of who actually took boosters in 2023.

01:44:03.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:44:05.000 Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

01:44:05.000 Why?

01:44:08.000 Almost certainly because of low uptake.

01:44:11.000 And so what happened is they rely on what's called NIS, the National Immunization Survey, which is a robo phone call.

01:44:17.000 Talk about getting robo phone calls.

01:44:19.000 It's election day, and they were pouring in last night.

01:44:22.000 So the robocall comes in and says, Hey, we want to talk to you about taking vaccines.

01:44:25.000 Are you going to take a COVID vaccine?

01:44:26.000 They ask you a bunch of questions, and it's only those people who answer it.

01:44:29.000 So the CDC started in 2023, said, Listen, we think 15% of people are taking boosters from a robocall, not from actual data.

01:44:38.000 So last year, McCulloch Foundation said, Listen, and this foundation and I started to do research since our organizations are not doing the research that we need.

01:44:46.000 We said, Listen, let's take the data from Pfizer and Moderna, the sales data.

01:44:50.000 Where they said they sold the vaccine units, what they charged for it, what the revenue was, what the wastage was, and we can figure out how many doses were delivered.

01:44:59.000 Answer last year, it was 8.9% of people who took a booster last year.

01:45:07.000 This year, I think it's going to be under 5%.

01:45:09.000 That's still a lot.

01:45:11.000 I know, but a government's contracting for billions of dollars.

01:45:15.000 Right, which is horrifying.

01:45:17.000 But if all the things that you're saying are true, And that the risk outweighs the reward, and that with many people, your body continues to produce spike protein years later.

01:45:29.000 How in the world are they still prescribing this?

01:45:32.000 I think there's some people who clear it out.

01:45:34.000 Listen, my neighbor is somebody, he's taken every shot.

01:45:38.000 To him, it's like an elixir.

01:45:41.000 He is fine, and I have people in my family who find that.

01:45:45.000 They have very high antibody levels to the spike protein, meaning the messenger RNA is chugging away at spike protein, but this is another part of the secret here.

01:45:54.000 If you have the vaccine in you and you're producing lots of spike protein, these little spikes, but the antibodies that are made to it are perfectly keyed to the spike protein, going to neutralize it, neutralize it, neutralize it.

01:46:07.000 It's a perfect system.

01:46:11.000 Now, it may not prevent COVID because a variant over here can just get around it, but you're going to stop the vaccine spike protein being produced.

01:46:18.000 If there's any wrinkle in that and there's IgG 1 and 2 neutralize the spike protein, but IgG 3 and 4, particularly 4, do not, If there's what's called IgG subclass switching and we get to, you know, the immune system essentially gets tired of seeing this and get to IgG 4, then you have unopposed spike protein.

01:46:38.000 Now we're in trouble because if there's unopposed spike protein, there's a paper by Yonkers and colleagues in circulation showing that's what damages the heart.

01:46:47.000 So it explains why you can have one of these athletes and he's going along fine, took some shots several years ago, and all of a sudden, boom, a cardiac arrest.

01:46:57.000 That's called COVID vaccine subclinical myocarditis.

01:47:01.000 And then a cardiac arrest.

01:47:02.000 We've seen this in athlete after athlete after athlete.

01:47:06.000 You know, when DeMar Hamlin went down for the Buffalo Bills, he's playing, God bless him.

01:47:12.000 But when he went down, Fox called me.

01:47:13.000 That was back when Tucker was on Fox.

01:47:16.000 And they said, Listen, you're a cardiologist, can you come on?

01:47:19.000 And so I watched it.

01:47:20.000 In fact, I had a friend there at the game.

01:47:22.000 We were texting about what was going on.

01:47:24.000 I said, Sure, I'll go on.

01:47:25.000 And the first thing that I was asked is, What do you think caused his cardiac arrest?

01:47:29.000 And I said, Well, the tackle is ruled out.

01:47:32.000 This is very important.

01:47:34.000 When there's trauma, it's what we have what's called the mechanism of injury.

01:47:38.000 The mechanism of injury is your common sense assessment of can this mechanism cause this event?

01:47:45.000 So, if you had a car wreck like this and there was a broken neck, you'd say, no, the neck was not broken from the car wreck, right?

01:47:51.000 The mechanism wasn't sufficient.

01:47:54.000 When you have a football helmet and there's a breastplate, there's no way that can precipitate a cardiac arrest.

01:47:59.000 It's never happened in the history of pro football.

01:48:02.000 Ever.

01:48:03.000 So I knew it wasn't the tackle.

01:48:05.000 He had tackled him.

01:48:07.000 He got up.

01:48:08.000 He was about ready to clap or adjust his helmet, and then he collapsed.

01:48:12.000 That's a vaccine cardiac arrest.

01:48:14.000 He had a big surge of adrenaline.

01:48:16.000 He had vaccine myocarditis.

01:48:19.000 That's the perfect milieu for a cardiac arrest.

01:48:21.000 He got very good resuscitation.

01:48:22.000 He probably aspirated some Gatorade because I was watching what was going on.

01:48:26.000 So he had some of that in his lungs.

01:48:28.000 Gets to the hospital, has a perfect resuscitation, perfectly normal cardiac function.

01:48:33.000 No heart failure.

01:48:34.000 He passed all his tests.

01:48:36.000 And in fact, I was watching that and I said, you know what?

01:48:39.000 If he got McCullough protocol spike detoxification, which is my second contribution to what's going on here, and he can get rid of this spike protein and needs critical drug treatment, a drug called colchicine, which is very safe, but all the myocarditis patients need colchicine.

01:48:54.000 I said, I bet he can avoid getting a defibrillator.

01:48:56.000 Virtually everybody has to get a defibrillator if they have a primary arrest because this is a form of cardiac arrest that's treatable with.

01:49:04.000 Spike detoxification, which is natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin in natural products, plus colchicine.

01:49:10.000 Super important.

01:49:11.000 And we wrote the Buffalo Bills doctors, wrote the Buffalo Evening News.

01:49:14.000 Of course, they never write back, but I would lay odds that DeMar Hamlin has gotten my protocol.

01:49:20.000 He's never needed an ICD, and he's back playing.

01:49:24.000 So this is very important.

01:49:25.000 And I have many patients in my practice like this.

01:49:28.000 They don't need ICDs.

01:49:29.000 This is a very important message.

01:49:31.000 If there's vaccine, myocarditis, and a cardiac arrest, if they're appropriately treated, For the spike protein and get this out of the heart and out of the system, they can be fine.

01:49:40.000 Well, we saw a lot of athletes during the pandemic drop.

01:49:45.000 Yes.

01:49:46.000 And it was really disturbing, particularly soccer players who have some of the best cardio you've ever seen.

01:49:52.000 Soccer is all about cardio.

01:49:53.000 It's all about leg strength and cardio and coordination, obviously, but they're running constantly.

01:49:58.000 If you ever watch a live professional soccer match, it's extraordinary.

01:50:02.000 I mean, these guys are constantly sprinting, and it wasn't a common thing to see them drop, but we saw a lot of it during the pandemic.

01:50:10.000 It was Apanagis Polycretis and myself published in European leagues, pro and semi pro, under age 35.

01:50:16.000 We had all the data, tenfold increase in 2021 when they rolled out the vaccines, and they forced them to take it.

01:50:21.000 Tenfold.

01:50:22.000 Tenfold.

01:50:23.000 And the best example is Christian Eriksson, Danish soccer player.

01:50:28.000 He has a primary cardiac arrest, for sure.

01:50:31.000 Everybody denies the vaccines or the managers.

01:50:34.000 They all took the vaccines.

01:50:35.000 I'm just telling you right now, they did.

01:50:37.000 And he actually gets a defibrillator, he gets a subcutaneous ICD.

01:50:42.000 My fear is that he never got there properly treated with spike detoxification and with colchicine.

01:50:47.000 And you know, about five years later, he just had a second arrest.

01:50:51.000 And the defibrillator saved him.

01:50:53.000 But check on your patients who needed pacemakers.

01:50:55.000 I guarantee they had vaccine myopic retitis, and I have patients like this too.

01:51:00.000 None of my pacemaker patients now actually need the pacemaker.

01:51:05.000 So they can interrogate their pacemakers, Joe, and they can ask the question does the body need the pacemaker now, or is the body managing its own rhythm?

01:51:14.000 If they're appropriately in a wellness company, we've come up with Ultimate Spite Detox, which is one.

01:51:21.000 If you go on Amazon, you'll find a lot of these products, but Ultimate Spite Detox is high dose, medicinal grade.

01:51:27.000 Natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin, which most people need to get out of this problem.

01:51:34.000 It's vital.

01:51:34.000 It's the reason why we formed the wellness company in 2022 because we were fulfilling an unmet need.

01:51:41.000 What was the rate of adoption in professional sports in the United States?

01:51:47.000 Was it all sports?

01:51:48.000 I know the NFL, my friend Aaron Rodgers had a real issue, obviously.

01:51:52.000 You know that story.

01:51:53.000 Yeah.

01:51:54.000 Where he was actually allergic to one of the ingredients in one of the vaccines.

01:51:59.000 So he had a very legitimate medical reason for not.

01:52:02.000 Taking it.

01:52:03.000 Sure.

01:52:03.000 And yet he was raked over the coals.

01:52:07.000 Well, didn't they make him wear a special band and all of this?

01:52:12.000 But isn't it interesting?

01:52:13.000 You have Aaron Rodgers at the time, Aaron was the number one quarterback in the league at that time.

01:52:18.000 He was number one.

01:52:20.000 You had the number one tennis player, Novak Djokovic.

01:52:23.000 You had Kyrie Irving, who was probably one of the top people in the NBA.

01:52:28.000 All of them said, listen, my body is more important than this.

01:52:31.000 I don't need this vaccine.

01:52:34.000 Eric Clapton, greatest guitar player in the world.

01:52:38.000 He takes it and had a horrible reaction.

01:52:40.000 He had a horrible time.

01:52:41.000 And was really attacked.

01:52:43.000 Right.

01:52:44.000 They wrote a horrible LA Times article about what a terrible person he was because he talked about the side effects of being vaccinated.

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:53.000 Eric told me he couldn't play for a year.

01:52:55.000 He had a baseline neuropathy.

01:52:56.000 He couldn't play for a year.

01:52:57.000 These other superstar players aren't going to take it.

01:53:01.000 And yet, the punishment they received.

01:53:05.000 And then sadly, people did take it.

01:53:07.000 DeMar Hamlin, Christian Anderson, all these athletes who had cardiac arrest.

01:53:10.000 Look at Bronny James, who had a near miss, LeBron James' son.

01:53:13.000 You had Uwe Chuchu, who played for USC.

01:53:18.000 USC mandated the vaccine.

01:53:20.000 So 100%.

01:53:21.000 These guys took the vaccines, the USC basketball team.

01:53:24.000 Uwe Chuchu, he has a cardiac arrest.

01:53:25.000 He actually gets a defibrillator, he got a transvenous defibrillator in.

01:53:29.000 There's all these players out there who were damaged.

01:53:32.000 What I hope is I hope Cam Newton is right.

01:53:37.000 And you know what Cam said?

01:53:38.000 You know, Cam kind of grumbled about the vaccines, and Atlantic wrote a horrible piece about Cam.

01:53:44.000 You know what ultimately he said?

01:53:45.000 What?

01:53:46.000 He said, I think a lot of these people got fake vaccine cards.

01:53:51.000 Oh, they definitely did.

01:53:53.000 Yeah.

01:53:53.000 I personally know people who got fake vaccine cards.

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:56.000 Because they needed to travel.

01:53:57.000 Well, think about it.

01:53:58.000 This is a war.

01:54:00.000 Nobody's being honest with us.

01:54:01.000 Governments are not being honest with us.

01:54:04.000 Why would people be honest with a paper card where somebody's scribbling, writing?

01:54:10.000 Now, in Europe, they actually had electronic systems, in Canada, but in the United States, it was a lousy paper card.

01:54:15.000 Half my patients can't even find their cards for crying out loud.

01:54:19.000 What is this supplement?

01:54:20.000 This is Wellness Company Ultimate Spike Detox.

01:54:23.000 This is high dose natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin plus minor ingredients.

01:54:30.000 It's natural.

01:54:31.000 And this is what we use, Joe, to clear the spike protein out of the body.

01:54:35.000 It has very, very good supportive data.

01:54:38.000 Natokinase gets inside and outside of cells.

01:54:40.000 I take that.

01:54:41.000 I take it myself.

01:54:42.000 It dissolves the spike protein.

01:54:45.000 It's antithrombotic.

01:54:46.000 It helps fight blood clots.

01:54:48.000 And it is.

01:54:49.000 Our lead product, and we intentionally didn't patent this.

01:54:53.000 Now, it's copyrighted in my name so people can locate it, but we intentionally didn't patent it because the whole world needs this stuff.

01:55:00.000 And if you would go to Amazon right now and type in spike detox, you'd see about three dozen rows of products, all different companies.

01:55:07.000 Wellness companies, the lead.

01:55:08.000 We've been doing this since 2022.

01:55:10.000 But the point is if people get on the right detoxification protocol, spike detox is huge.

01:55:19.000 Another thing you do a lot of.

01:55:21.000 That really helps is sweating.

01:55:24.000 If you sweat, do you know the messenger RNA of Pfizer has been shown in breast milk?

01:55:28.000 Breast milk is modified.

01:55:30.000 It's not wrong.

01:55:31.000 It's modified sweat.

01:55:32.000 In my patient, we did skin by.

01:55:34.000 So kids are getting vaccinated through their mother's milk, essentially?

01:55:37.000 Yes.

01:55:38.000 Oh, God.

01:55:39.000 And the spike protein and the vaccine has been found in the placenta.

01:55:44.000 But, Joe, the body can heal and get rid of this.

01:55:49.000 I want to be very hopeful to people on this.

01:55:51.000 They have to stop taking more shots.

01:55:53.000 Most people have.

01:55:55.000 Get on spike detoxification and find whatever protocol.

01:55:58.000 This is a blood thinner.

01:55:59.000 It's very important.

01:56:01.000 This is a minor blood thinner.

01:56:02.000 So, people on blood thinners, I use this in conjunction with blood thinners, but I'm a doctor and I oversee this.

01:56:10.000 But you know, we have four U.S. senators now with premature stroke, which is a blood clot?

01:56:17.000 Nick Holstetter?

01:56:18.000 Yeah, Nick Holster at McCulloch.

01:56:20.000 Holster, say his name.

01:56:21.000 He posted something today that 5% of Democratic senators or congresspeople?

01:56:28.000 9%.

01:56:29.000 9%.

01:56:30.000 It's 4 out of 45.

01:56:32.000 It's 8.9%.

01:56:33.000 So, Nick and I were on Newsmax last night.

01:56:35.000 Explain what they got.

01:56:37.000 Okay, so it's 4 out of 45 Democratic senators right now have had a stroke before age 65.

01:56:45.000 So, these people are younger than me, Joe, and they've had a stroke.

01:56:48.000 So, we just had.

01:56:49.000 How unusual is that?

01:56:50.000 It should be way, way that less than 1% of the population ever has this happen.

01:56:58.000 And they publicly take vaccines.

01:57:00.000 So, Chris Murphy.

01:57:01.000 Informatory.

01:57:02.000 Right.

01:57:03.000 Listen, I took the vaccine.

01:57:04.000 So we have Chris Murphy, Chris Van Hollen, Ben Ray Lujan, and we had John Fetterman.

01:57:11.000 Now, Fetterman had atrial fibrillation back in 2017, which is a risk factor for stroke and blood clots, not on blood thinners.

01:57:19.000 He may have gone into heart failure, leg swelling and problems.

01:57:21.000 He publicly takes the shots in 2020, 2021.

01:57:25.000 2022, in the milieu of atrial fibrillation, not on blood thinners, he has a stroke.

01:57:31.000 Now, he has trouble speaking.

01:57:33.000 Last night, I told Rob Finnerty on Newsmax, I said, listen, I think Murphy's going to be fine.

01:57:38.000 I usually have good judgment on this.

01:57:40.000 It's probably an internal capsule stroke, which is a little strategic place in the brain that can be dissolved and he'll come back fine.

01:57:47.000 My mom had an internal capsule stroke.

01:57:50.000 The one thing I've done is I've not been wrong.

01:57:53.000 And I've been on primetime news now probably hundreds of times over the last five years.

01:57:59.000 I'm not wrong.

01:58:00.000 When DeBarr Hamlin had a cardiac arrest, I said, listen, he's going to come back.

01:58:04.000 He's going to walk out of the house.

01:58:05.000 He's going to be just fine.

01:58:06.000 You know, Mark Siegel, who's on Fox, Mark says, oh, we need to raise money for his family.

01:58:10.000 He's a goner.

01:58:11.000 He'll never survive.

01:58:13.000 It's like, you know, We need to have doctors who are right and can give accurate information to the public.

01:58:21.000 And if we ever have another pandemic, I can tell you right now I don't think people are going to trust the government.

01:58:27.000 They're going to be going directly to people who have been right all along.

01:58:31.000 I think you're right.

01:58:33.000 Another thing I want to talk to you about cancer.

01:58:36.000 How many people who took these vaccines have aggressive cancer?

01:58:44.000 And ironically, including the former CEO of YouTube, who actively suppressed all the information about anything that had anything that was remotely critical about the vaccines, she got cancer, like super aggressive cancer, and died.

01:59:05.000 As a doctor, if you were to tell me there's a product, a biopharmaceutical product, that would cause heart damage and myocarditis, And cardiac arrest and heart failure and blood clots.

01:59:18.000 The spike protein is directly in the blood clots.

01:59:22.000 And it would cause autoimmune problems because the body attacks itself because the spike protein is on the cell surfaces.

01:59:29.000 And it causes neurologic problems like transverse myelitis and Guillain Bray syndrome, of which all those four disease categories, for sure the vaccines do.

01:59:38.000 If you were to say, listen, Dr. McCullough, just for kickers, it causes cancer, I'd say, come on.

01:59:44.000 How can one product?

01:59:46.000 Do all this.

01:59:47.000 This is a mind blowing reality.

01:59:50.000 So, a paper that caught my attention was by Bustos, and it was published in Curious Journal of Biomedical Sciences.

02:00:00.000 And it's titled The Multi Hit Hypothesis of COVID 19 Oncogenesis that is, how the vaccines can actually promote cancer.

02:00:10.000 And it showed a variety of mechanisms.

02:00:13.000 And Sutherland and Baylor in 1984 said, Listen, If something's going to cause cancer, it's not by a single mechanism.

02:00:22.000 It has to be by multiple mechanisms, meaning multiple things.

02:00:26.000 So, a good point is smoking causing lung cancer.

02:00:30.000 It's because there are 2,000 components to tar.

02:00:34.000 There are too many things together that can cause cancer.

02:00:39.000 So, it makes sense that, geez, the COVID vaccines, how could this happen?

02:00:44.000 Well, the messenger RNA can impair DNA repair because it gets in and kind of screws up the genetics.

02:00:50.000 The spike protein can interfere and does interfere with two major suppressor systems that actually help defend against cancer, P53 and BRCA.

02:01:01.000 That we have a situation where now a paper by Cantazaro and Holscher has shown there's probably about three dozen mechanisms by which the scale has been tilted towards cancer.

02:01:15.000 Though this year, a paper by Alderi, who's at Brown, Wafik Alderi, Very well respected oncologist has analyzed this.

02:01:25.000 There are 66 peer reviewed papers showing both the infection and the COVID vaccines probably tilt the human equation towards cancer.

02:01:37.000 The vaccine's far more, but just the infection alone.

02:01:40.000 I'm greatly concerned.

02:01:42.000 2025, Joe, Time Magazine on its cover has all these young people and says, Where's all this cancer coming from?

02:01:51.000 And Katie Couric is out there on our podcast.

02:01:53.000 Where's all this cancer coming from?

02:01:56.000 They go out to cancer centers all over the United States, Time Magazine said, What do you think is going on?

02:02:00.000 Cancer in certain areas, not all cancers, but some cancers are really skyrocketing.

02:02:06.000 And the doctors say, Well, they look around.

02:02:08.000 Well, Maybe it's cell phones.

02:02:10.000 Maybe it's microplastics.

02:02:11.000 Maybe it's something in the air.

02:02:13.000 Maybe it's none of them considered the fact that we just went through a worldwide pandemic with a virus that was synthesized in a Chinese biosecurity lab and that two thirds of the world had taken genetic vaccines.

02:02:26.000 Not a single person they interviewed thought of that.

02:02:31.000 No, I guarantee they thought of it.

02:02:32.000 They just didn't want to say it.

02:02:33.000 This is it's it's they're still averse to saying it.

02:02:37.000 Did you see the Irish runner, McGeehan, who just died?

02:02:37.000 Reality.

02:02:41.000 Yes.

02:02:41.000 Oh, my Lord.

02:02:42.000 Now, okay, 2024, she wins a world championship in the thousand meters.

02:02:48.000 You know what it takes as a woman to win a thousand?

02:02:50.000 She has to be perfectly healthy in 2024.

02:02:54.000 Here we are, 2026, you know, three quarters of the way through the year, and she's dead of colon cancer.

02:03:02.000 Aggressive.

02:03:02.000 It's unheard of.

02:03:04.000 Joe Biden, sitting president of the United States.

02:03:08.000 Now, listen, his doctor is O'Connor.

02:03:11.000 I can tell I'm in practice.

02:03:13.000 I see patients every day.

02:03:14.000 I'm an internist cardiologist.

02:03:15.000 I examine men, I examine their genitalia, the prostate exam, I order the test.

02:03:19.000 I don't have a single patient in my practice in that tenure that has developed widespread metastatic Gleason grade nine prostate cancer.

02:03:28.000 So here Joe Biden is in the White House, and it happens under the watch of everybody right there.

02:03:33.000 He's publicly taken six vaccines.

02:03:37.000 I think Joe Biden has COVID vaccine turbo cancer.

02:03:40.000 He's a classic example.

02:03:42.000 And on top of that, I think Joe Biden has.

02:03:45.000 A neurologic syndrome that looks like a vaccine syndrome.

02:03:48.000 I mentioned.

02:03:49.000 Well, he's also had strokes.

02:03:51.000 He's had subarachnoid hemorrhage.

02:03:52.000 He's had craniotomies.

02:03:54.000 So he's been kind of set up.

02:03:56.000 But a paper by Ota and colleagues from Japan showed the messenger RNA is in the brain.

02:04:02.000 It's physically in the blood vessels in the brain.

02:04:05.000 And in my practice, Joe, which is I see hundreds, if not thousands, of patients who have problems after the vaccines.

02:04:11.000 When they develop a syndrome, it's not classic.

02:04:14.000 So when it's a.

02:04:16.000 Neurodegenerative disorder, it's not classic Alzheimer's and it's not classic Parkinson's, but a blend.

02:04:23.000 And that's what Biden has.

02:04:25.000 So he shuffles his gait.

02:04:26.000 He's kind of looking forward.

02:04:27.000 He looks like he's going to fall forward, but he doesn't have other features of it.

02:04:31.000 It's not classic.

02:04:33.000 And there's a paper by Roe and colleagues from Korea, 8 million Koreans.

02:04:38.000 They showed that these neurologic disorders, when they take off after the shots, they skyrocket within a few months.

02:04:44.000 Not everybody gets them, but many of your listeners will.

02:04:48.000 Tell us that, yeah, my loved one took a shot and they developed rapid dementia or rapid Parkinson's or Lewy body dementia.

02:04:57.000 And sadly, a lot of these are fatal.

02:04:59.000 I don't think Joe Biden has long to live.

02:05:01.000 Well, he's old anyway.

02:05:02.000 I mean, there's that.

02:05:04.000 He is obviously not healthy.

02:05:08.000 I want to talk to you about SV40 and the instances of SV40 being found in samples of the vaccine, multiple labs.

02:05:18.000 Now, Simeon Vibras 40.

02:05:21.000 This is and it's used to, by the way, to make vaccines.

02:05:25.000 So we take when you want to make well, the virus isn't used to make vaccines.

02:05:28.000 Well, yeah.

02:05:29.000 Simeon Virus 40 is used to make vaccines?

02:05:31.000 This is kind of how it works.

02:05:31.000 Yeah.

02:05:33.000 It's the culture.

02:05:34.000 It's like.

02:05:34.000 I know, but you want to.

02:05:35.000 Okay, one wants to make a ton of messenger RNA.

02:05:40.000 So this is how you do it.

02:05:43.000 You take a DNA in plasma, you take a DNA, a circular piece of DNA in E. coli.

02:05:51.000 And remember, the RNA is going to anneal to the DNA and be the complete reverse pattern of this.

02:05:58.000 So if you take the DNA code for the spike protein and insert a promoter, SV40 promoter, SV40 enhancer, What's called the origin of insertion, and then antibiotic resistant genes.

02:06:11.000 So, that E. coli that actually has the goods can survive, and you treat the rest of the E. coli with antibiotics and kill them off.

02:06:18.000 Now, you've got a purified E. coli colony that can crank massive amounts of DNA that code for the Pfizer Moderna messenger RNA, and that's how you can make it in high quantities.

02:06:32.000 That's called process one.

02:06:33.000 Process two, they were making it from scratch during the clinical trials.

02:06:37.000 When they got to mass production, they said, listen, we've got to put this into E. coli.

02:06:40.000 That's very important, right?

02:06:41.000 Because they made it very differently during the clinical trials than they did during mass production.

02:06:45.000 And during mass production so the simian virus 40 comes from primate kidney cells.

02:06:51.000 Right.

02:06:52.000 And it's an oncogene activator.

02:06:55.000 It's basically a cancer sequence.

02:06:57.000 But one is going to make this crank.

02:07:01.000 And it was used actually, the polio vaccine got contaminated with SV40 back.

02:07:08.000 Actually, in the time as a kid that I probably received one of these shots as a kid, where this became a big deal with the polio vaccines, they were using SV40.

02:07:17.000 The Institute of Medicine was called in.

02:07:19.000 They did a big review.

02:07:20.000 They said, Listen, you got to clean up the process, get SV40 out of polio vaccine manufacturing.

02:07:24.000 They did.

02:07:25.000 But the Institute of Medicine said, Listen, we can't know how many cancers, like in Dr. McCullough, later on are going to be attributable to these shots.

02:07:33.000 That was their final report.

02:07:35.000 They said, We don't know.

02:07:36.000 Is there an increase in cancer post polio vaccine?

02:07:40.000 We don't know.

02:07:41.000 We don't know.

02:07:43.000 There's a great concern since a decent segment of the population received SV40 in these vaccines.

02:07:49.000 Now, hopefully, it was a low enough dose and the body is hopefully edited this out.

02:07:53.000 But with the COVID shots, when SV40 in multiple labs, David Speaker in Canada and Kevin McKernan in the United States and Schoenberg in Europe, multiple labs have said, listen, Pfizer and Moderna has SV40 in it, for sure, for sure.

02:08:11.000 This was presented to Health Canada.

02:08:13.000 Joe Ladapo, the Surgeon General for Florida, Wrote this up and presented it to our CDC and FDA regulatory authorities all over the world.

02:08:22.000 No, we don't have any concerns about this.

02:08:25.000 No investigations, no inspections.

02:08:28.000 Think about this.

02:08:31.000 Not a single country has, as a government agency, opened up the vials and inspected them for SV40.

02:08:38.000 That's crazy.

02:08:40.000 That is absolutely insane.

02:08:43.000 It's formally been brought to their attention.

02:08:47.000 We're concerned.

02:08:48.000 That SV40 is one of these multi hit mechanisms that has been summarized by Cantazaro, summarized by Anguus and Bustos.

02:08:56.000 I'm concerned.

02:08:58.000 Listen, I've got family members who have taken this.

02:09:00.000 So you've laid out all these different factors, including SV40, and you think that is what should have been on the cover of Time magazine when they were talking about all these people getting cancer?

02:09:12.000 Correct.

02:09:13.000 It should have been.

02:09:13.000 Listen, we went through a pandemic.

02:09:15.000 We were all exposed to this spike protein.

02:09:17.000 By the way, how many of your friends?

02:09:20.000 Never got COVID ever.

02:09:22.000 Do you know anybody?

02:09:23.000 Yeah, I know one lady.

02:09:24.000 Okay, you know one?

02:09:25.000 No, I know two.

02:09:26.000 I know a guy who never got his vaccine.

02:09:27.000 So you know two out of 2,000?

02:09:28.000 And they weren't vaccinated either?

02:09:29.000 Vaccinated either.

02:09:30.000 In my practice, I know one or two.

02:09:33.000 But I've pushed artificial intelligence on this.

02:09:35.000 I said, listen, go to the county databases, go to the serology database, go, go, tell me how many people got COVID in the world.

02:09:42.000 You know what the answer is?

02:09:44.000 97%.

02:09:45.000 So we almost all got it.

02:09:47.000 We got exposed to this stuff.

02:09:49.000 Yeah.

02:09:50.000 And it was the spike protein is devised in a Chinese biosecurity lab.

02:09:54.000 We all got exposed to this.

02:09:56.000 Couple important inferences.

02:09:58.000 Can you imagine way back when in the Trump administration if we had good forecasting?

02:10:03.000 And we said, listen, everybody, we're all getting it.

02:10:06.000 This thing's so damn contagious.

02:10:08.000 We're all going to get it.

02:10:10.000 So the goal is to just get through it.

02:10:12.000 If we can avoid hospitalization and death, we win.

02:10:16.000 Let's call in McCullough, Corey, Zelenko, Bowdoin.

02:10:20.000 Let's call in everybody and let's just treat people and get them through this.

02:10:23.000 This will be over within two years.

02:10:25.000 Spanish flu was over within two years.

02:10:26.000 It was done.

02:10:29.000 If we would have accurately forecasted this, that everyone was going to get it, we never would have wore masks.

02:10:35.000 Remember, masking is to try to.

02:10:37.000 Prevent getting it.

02:10:38.000 Remember lockdowns.

02:10:39.000 Best to try to prevent getting it.

02:10:40.000 Hand sanitizers.

02:10:42.000 All of this stuff was under the false narrative that you can avoid getting it.

02:10:48.000 And again, Ashish Jha, Fauci, nobody's come back and said, you know what?

02:10:52.000 We are wrong, by the way.

02:10:54.000 All that contagion control was a waste of time.

02:10:57.000 We blew trillions of dollars trying not to get COVID and we all got it anyway.

02:11:03.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 It's a mind blowing reality.

02:11:07.000 Well, Hindsight is 2020, though, right?

02:11:09.000 That's true.

02:11:10.000 And there was also this very distorted perception of what the dangers of the virus were going to be.

02:11:16.000 It was listed by some people as high as 10% mortality.

02:11:18.000 Yes.

02:11:19.000 It got crazy.

02:11:20.000 It took a while to shake out initially.

02:11:23.000 I remember a very frightening call we had the National Institutes of Health, and I was on one of the oversight panels for NIH for years, where initially it was like, oh my lord.

02:11:32.000 We had a report in from Italy where doctors were dying of it, nurses were dying of it.

02:11:38.000 I came home when I told my wife, I said, listen.

02:11:41.000 This could really be it.

02:11:42.000 I mean, it was frightening until we sorted through it.

02:11:45.000 We also had a precedent that threw us off, and that was SARS 1.

02:11:50.000 Remember the first SARS virus?

02:11:51.000 It didn't spread over the world, it lasted about 90 days, and all this masking and locking down and contagion control kind of contained it.

02:12:01.000 It was kind of contained.

02:12:03.000 Remember for other viral outbreaks like Ebola, some of the real fatal ones?

02:12:06.000 Isn't there an Ebola outbreak currently?

02:12:08.000 There is, Democratic Republic of Congo.

02:12:10.000 I think 5,000 people have died, 10,000 got it.

02:12:13.000 Right, but the principle is it's containable.

02:12:16.000 It almost certainly won't be a worldwide thing.

02:12:18.000 Why is that?

02:12:19.000 Because the fact that it's so fatal and it's a contact virus.

02:12:24.000 So, just simply hand hygiene, keep people separate.

02:12:27.000 You know, 99% of people who get Ebola can't wash their hands if they use the toilet.

02:12:31.000 It's spread from fecal oral stuff.

02:12:35.000 And so far, virtually everybody in that outbreak who gets to the hospital is saved.

02:12:41.000 So, you can save people with Ebola.

02:12:42.000 They just need IV fluids and support.

02:12:44.000 So, the point is viral outbreaks.

02:12:48.000 Can be contained and people can avoid getting it.

02:12:51.000 That was the first operating principle in 2020.

02:12:55.000 And then when this thing broke loose, it became more obvious over time we were all going to get it.

02:13:02.000 But I think the last time you and I met, it's very interesting.

02:13:05.000 I was telling you how good natural immunity was and I was citing the data.

02:13:08.000 I'm probably the only person who comes on your show.

02:13:10.000 I actually cite the papers with first author.

02:13:12.000 I'm nailing it down, Cowan colleagues, all the other papers that showed you couldn't get it twice.

02:13:18.000 You and I met two days later on the border of Rwanda.

02:13:23.000 A vaccinated traveler gets COVID for the second time.

02:13:29.000 It was two days after you and I met that it became known with the Omicron variant, you could get COVID twice.

02:13:36.000 You could genuinely get it twice.

02:13:38.000 Before that, natural immunity held up for two years.

02:13:41.000 Yeah.

02:13:42.000 Now you can get it over and over again.

02:13:44.000 I got it a second time.

02:13:45.000 But when I got it a second time, it literally had sniffles.

02:13:49.000 Yeah.

02:13:49.000 That was it.

02:13:50.000 I had a nurse that was testing everyone before the shows.

02:13:54.000 So we would do a test, not a PCR test, by the way, which is important.

02:14:00.000 So we should talk about that as well.

02:14:02.000 So we did.

02:14:03.000 A test before the show, and I was joking around because I had a little bit of a sniffle.

02:14:10.000 I had just gotten back from the gym, and I said, Hopefully, I don't have COVID.

02:14:13.000 Just joking.

02:14:14.000 And she's like, Oh my God, you tested positive.

02:14:16.000 I'm like, No way.

02:14:18.000 Like, this is COVID?

02:14:19.000 This is crazy.

02:14:21.000 Got some IV vitamins, went home, took the podcast day off, got tested the next day.

02:14:27.000 I was negative.

02:14:28.000 Okay.

02:14:29.000 So I think it was on a Monday, so I might have had it on the weekend or something.

02:14:33.000 I don't remember.

02:14:33.000 I don't remember the details.

02:14:35.000 But it shows you how robust natural immunity is, right?

02:14:37.000 Yes.

02:14:38.000 It was very quick.

02:14:39.000 And by the way, I didn't feel bad at all.

02:14:42.000 I literally just had sniffles and I was laughing.

02:14:45.000 Like, this is COVID.

02:14:46.000 This is the second infection of COVID.

02:14:47.000 Okay.

02:14:48.000 I guess I have it.

02:14:49.000 You know?

02:14:50.000 Well, you know, natural immunity is cellular, it's antibody, it's IgG, IgA, natural killer cells.

02:14:57.000 It's natural immunity is robust.

02:14:59.000 And if you'd have your druthers on anything, you'd rather have natural immunity.

02:15:03.000 Of course.

02:15:04.000 It's true for measles, it's true for.

02:15:05.000 Well, with COVID, it was seven times more effective, right?

02:15:08.000 So.

02:15:09.000 The PCR test.

02:15:12.000 I'm sure you've seen the video of Kerry Mullis criticizing Fauci, saying he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and that he's a bureaucrat and has no business telling people.

02:15:22.000 This was a long time ago.

02:15:24.000 This was before COVID.

02:15:25.000 I think this was he died before COVID.

02:15:30.000 But the false positives were through the roof, especially early on because they were running so many cycles of the PCR.

02:15:38.000 How much of that contributed, do you think, to the hysteria?

02:15:43.000 Oh, tons.

02:15:44.000 Here we are.

02:15:45.000 Podcaster knows as much as a laboratory physician.

02:15:49.000 I mean, everyone knows about the PCR test, even kids, junior high kids and high school kids, polymerase chain reaction.

02:15:55.000 So, turns out that any one of the genetic sequence for any one of these 30 proteins in this little ball, the genetic sequence is known.

02:16:05.000 So, if one can identify a few little base pairs of a genetic sequence that's exposed, that one can create what's called a primer.

02:16:15.000 So, the PCR test used four primers spike protein, envelope protein, nucleocapsid protein, and what's called origin assertion protein, or a sequence.

02:16:25.000 So, these are not proteins, but these are sequences, RNA sequences.

02:16:29.000 So, four primers, and you float it out there and say, listen, see if these things, let's cycle it once, see if anything comes up, cycle it again, cycle it again.

02:16:39.000 And, you know, if you were to cycle it and it turns positive on the second cycle, ooh, you probably got a real thing.

02:16:45.000 And then four cycles, what have you.

02:16:46.000 And the CDC was looking at this and said, listen, No matter whatever you do, lab companies don't go past 25 cycles because if you do, this is CDC said this in their guidance.

02:16:57.000 They say you're going to generate a lot of false positives.

02:16:59.000 People are picking up little surfaces of an orange or off a table because you can just ultimately get false positives.

02:17:09.000 So, what did the companies do?

02:17:10.000 They took it all the way up to like 45 cycles plus.

02:17:13.000 So, the vast majority of the PCR positive tests were false positive, and the best data come from The employee screening studies.

02:17:22.000 So, a good one to quote is Japan Olympics.

02:17:25.000 So, if you screen everybody who's completely asymptomatic, you know, every day or every week, about 1% of people over time will generate positive, which is probably what you found on your show.

02:17:37.000 1% would be positive.

02:17:39.000 Of those who are positive, 80% are false positive.

02:17:42.000 So, what I've said is listen, because it can be a potentially fatal illness and it has consequences with employment and what have you, once we got to PCR testing, certainly low cycle threshold would be the way to go.

02:17:53.000 But if we're not going to do that, let's have confirmatory testing with antigen testing, like rapid antigen testing.

02:17:58.000 Like with HIV, we don't rely on one test.

02:18:02.000 We always have confirmatory testing.

02:18:04.000 We use duality of testing.

02:18:05.000 We should have done that with COVID.

02:18:07.000 So the PCR test became this generator of false cases.

02:18:12.000 This got reported.

02:18:14.000 And what made it worse is the PCR test influenced attribution of mortality.

02:18:21.000 So now, you know, the CDC definition of a COVID death is that if you were PCR positive at any time and then you died, It counted as a COVID death.

02:18:31.000 Yeah, Elon was on the podcast saying that if you got bit by a shark and you tested positive for COVID, they listed it as a COVID death.

02:18:37.000 Well, they also were financially compensated for COVID deaths.

02:18:37.000 Right.

02:18:42.000 This was a problem.

02:18:43.000 Well, it was the leading cause of hospitalization and the number one hospital reimbursement for two years.

02:18:50.000 Two years.

02:18:52.000 So the hospitals quickly learned the game.

02:18:55.000 They're in the money and making money like anybody else.

02:18:58.000 They're in the game.

02:18:59.000 And so they would do PCR testing and, of interest, Many of them dropped influenza testing.

02:19:05.000 So someone comes in.

02:19:08.000 So they're doing 40 cycles, 45 cycles of PCR testing.

02:19:11.000 They're dropping the influenza testing and they're getting compensated for positive COVID results, more than 80% of which are false positives.

02:19:19.000 And to make matters worse, Joe, some little old person who really has influenza would come in and get remdesivir.

02:19:26.000 Oh, God.

02:19:29.000 Oh, God.

02:19:32.000 Oh.

02:19:33.000 Do you know, influenza basically went away.

02:19:37.000 I know, which is wild.

02:19:38.000 This is mind blowing.

02:19:40.000 Wild, which is also impossible.

02:19:43.000 Actually, impossible.

02:19:44.000 So, it had to be gaming of the PCR test.

02:19:48.000 And, you know, there's an example of what's going on now, today, of gaming with the PCR test.

02:19:53.000 And, you know, the disease?

02:19:54.000 Wow.

02:19:55.000 It's measles.

02:19:56.000 Really?

02:19:57.000 They're using PCR tests for measles?

02:19:59.000 How many cycles are they running?

02:20:00.000 I don't know, but I can tell you, Quest and LabCorp have gone bonkers with measles testing.

02:20:06.000 Now, listen, a few years ago.

02:20:07.000 Because this is all because of a lot of anti vax talk.

02:20:10.000 About measles.

02:20:12.000 Now it's easy to ramp up the case count.

02:20:15.000 So people are blaming RFK and Trump.

02:20:17.000 Oh, there's a measles outbreak.

02:20:19.000 Of interest, guess what?

02:20:20.000 There's a measles outbreak in the UK.

02:20:22.000 Well, Trump and RFK have nothing to do with what's going on in the UK.

02:20:26.000 So testing is going through the roof.

02:20:28.000 It turns out we've probably had viral exanthems, viral rashes forever, and there are probably even breakthrough cases of measles that are not of any clinical import.

02:20:37.000 Now everyone's being tested.

02:20:39.000 And I've looked at a few of the cases in Pennsylvania, and I'm enormously suspicious that Josh Shapiro.

02:20:44.000 Who is really taking aim at Trump and RFK?

02:20:48.000 I think Josh Shapiro has basically given out the orders for the medical examiners to do measles PCR testing of deaths.

02:20:57.000 So a couple of these deaths don't make any sense at all, where there's no rash, there's no pneumonitis, whatever, but they're measles PCR.

02:21:04.000 And they said, oh, we've got a measles death.

02:21:08.000 Oh, boy.

02:21:10.000 So the gaming of the PCR and attribution of death is something we have to, Get a grip on.

02:21:16.000 It's really bad.

02:21:18.000 That's terrifying.

02:21:19.000 It's just, it's terrifying when there's financial incentives.

02:21:22.000 The financial incentives that existed during COVID to list everything a COVID death and that COVID infections, that they were financially compensated for treating COVID infections when in fact many of them were false positives.

02:21:38.000 And the amount of money we paid for these hospitalizations, do you know that even in 2023, there was a paper in JAMA from Johns Hopkins of Omicron?

02:21:49.000 You know, if people ended up on the ventilator that late in the pandemic, you know, the mortality rate was still 40%?

02:21:56.000 40% ventilator mortality.

02:21:59.000 You know, early in the pandemic, I was on some calls where people were talking about 90% ventilator mortality rate.

02:22:05.000 So, wait a minute.

02:22:07.000 We've had six years of the pandemic.

02:22:10.000 Hospitals and doctors have a lot of bravado.

02:22:13.000 They want to be really good at heart disease and cancer and surgery.

02:22:17.000 And have you ever seen those billboards where the doctors, they kind of look like you, Joe?

02:22:20.000 They're all jacked and they're wearing their scrubs and they're like fighting disease.

02:22:24.000 Have you seen these type of, you know, the commercials for healthcare?

02:22:28.000 You know, we're the best.

02:22:30.000 In Dallas, Fort Worth, everyone is claiming to be the best.

02:22:33.000 Do you know how to single hospital claims to be the best at COVID?

02:22:38.000 Not a one.

02:22:39.000 There's not a single hospital that said, We're number one.

02:22:42.000 We had the lowest mortality rate, the lowest ventilator use.

02:22:45.000 Here's our innovative protocol.

02:22:46.000 This is crazy.

02:22:47.000 This is wild.

02:22:48.000 Not a one.

02:22:48.000 That is crazy.

02:22:49.000 This was a number.

02:22:50.000 This is a cash cow.

02:22:52.000 Nobody claims to be any good.

02:22:54.000 I'm on a standing committee in the Arizona Senate and House.

02:22:59.000 And they said, Dr. McCullough, How can we ever get ready for another pandemic?

02:23:02.000 I said, call in your hospital CEOs and CMOs and let's do comparative statistics.

02:23:07.000 Let's do lessons learned.

02:23:09.000 Let's do shared learning about this.

02:23:13.000 Comparative statistics.

02:23:14.000 She said, they will not come in.

02:23:16.000 They will not show up.

02:23:19.000 They will not show up.

02:23:21.000 They showed no innovation.

02:23:24.000 They delivered, they just had a U.S. Senate hearing on this.

02:23:28.000 The care was horrible in the hospital.

02:23:31.000 And they know it.

02:23:34.000 Why are you depressing me?

02:23:38.000 Well, we have, listen, out of the pandemic, Joe, good things have happened.

02:23:43.000 We formed the wellness company, Foster Colson, founder from Canada, Peter Galulli, our CEO.

02:23:50.000 We've got a wonderful board.

02:23:51.000 We've got Drew Pinsky, Kelly Victory, myself, Harvey Risch.

02:23:57.000 We have formed a nationwide global company with our own pharmacies, our own compounding pharmacies.

02:24:03.000 Innovative products and solutions.

02:24:05.000 We have emergency medical kits.

02:24:07.000 We'll never get burned with COVID again because we have pre prescribed medications that get out to people.

02:24:12.000 We've got ivermectin compounded.

02:24:15.000 We've got ivermectin and bendazole, which is a wonderful story now for cancer.

02:24:19.000 Has ivermectin lost its stigma?

02:24:23.000 Oh, I think so.

02:24:24.000 I think so.

02:24:25.000 The pharmacies, if you go to CVS or Walgreens, they still won't fill it.

02:24:29.000 But the compounding pharmacies are very good.

02:24:31.000 Wellness companies.

02:24:32.000 Isn't that crazy?

02:24:33.000 The pharmacies still won't fill it.

02:24:34.000 They still won't.

02:24:35.000 They still won't.

02:24:35.000 Still won't make it.

02:24:36.000 But, wellness company, listen, we've got the nation's Medicare care management contract for the senior citizens with Medicare, Big Dallas office in operation.

02:24:46.000 That's where I am right now.

02:24:47.000 What if somebody gets something that they used to use ivermectin for before the pandemic, like yellow fever?

02:24:53.000 Will they fulfill a prescription for that?

02:24:56.000 Well, you could do any parasitic infection, like river blindness, for instance.

02:25:00.000 Yeah.

02:25:01.000 But my experience is they will prescribe no, they will fill no ivermectin.

02:25:07.000 That is.

02:25:08.000 That's the reason why we need the wellness company.

02:25:08.000 Literally.

02:25:10.000 We have pharmacies now, and we only use our green listed, FDA approved, original pharmaceutical ingredients, the APIs, high quality.

02:25:24.000 And I can tell you the next pandemic, people aren't going to look at Fauci or JA or any of these people.

02:25:30.000 They're going to go to innovative companies that are going to provide solutions, and we're ready to do it.

02:25:34.000 Certainly, Fauci.

02:25:35.000 Certainly, Fauci, particularly after those last hearings.

02:25:38.000 Remember, the government didn't treat anybody, the CDC has 12,000 employees.

02:25:43.000 $9 billion annual budget.

02:25:47.000 They didn't treat a single patient.

02:25:48.000 They don't operate hospitals.

02:25:50.000 They don't operate clinics.

02:25:51.000 They don't dispense drugs.

02:25:53.000 This is very important.

02:25:55.000 That's the reason why, out of the pandemic, we've had innovative solutions arise.

02:26:00.000 You know, there are now companies giving provisions.

02:26:04.000 We have this recent, if you heard this American Fortress warning about having 90 days of having water, food.

02:26:14.000 Having provisions.

02:26:16.000 We have companies that can do the wellness company, we have medical solutions, you have Patriot Supply, you have all these other companies now.

02:26:24.000 Solar, Elon Musk and his solar and cell phone service.

02:26:29.000 People, now we actually have solutions, whereas years ago we didn't.

02:26:35.000 Before we leave, I want to talk to you about the personal cost that you endured when you spoke out.

02:26:45.000 And when you were essentially a dissident, when you were in the beginning of the COVID pandemic, you were the person that people pointed to and said, This is an example of misinformation.

02:26:58.000 Like you said, you were accused of selling snake oil.

02:27:01.000 Like, what was it like for your career?

02:27:06.000 What was the impact?

02:27:09.000 Well, let me tell you, I didn't have a stroke, I didn't have myocarditis.

02:27:13.000 I'm healthy, I'm older than you, and I feel great.

02:27:17.000 And so, when you look at the people who lost their lives and the people who have been devastated by the infection or the vaccine, just the fact that we have our health, Joe, is so important.

02:27:28.000 It's so much more, honestly, than our jobs.

02:27:31.000 And I put my whole life into medicine since age 17.

02:27:37.000 But what I saw was so horrible and saw people suffering.

02:27:41.000 You know, people died alone.

02:27:43.000 They died alone.

02:27:44.000 I saw things that were so bad.

02:27:47.000 I couldn't sit back and say, you know what, I'm going to protect my career and let somebody else take the ballots.

02:27:58.000 If I helped one person, it was worth it.

02:28:02.000 One.

02:28:04.000 That's the criteria.

02:28:06.000 That's what a doctor does.

02:28:09.000 We have a million doctors and half a million nurse practitioners that sat on the sidelines and let Americans get slaughtered.

02:28:16.000 We had a handful of people who stepped forward.

02:28:22.000 I wouldn't change a thing.

02:28:25.000 But what happened to you?

02:28:27.000 Like, what was.

02:28:28.000 Well, everything.

02:28:29.000 Everything.

02:28:30.000 I was stripped of everything professorships, editorships, grants, advisory panels, consultancies, you name it.

02:28:39.000 If they could, they would have just pinned me up to a cross.

02:28:45.000 It's just, it's so bad.

02:28:48.000 And, you know, I have colleagues in Australia and Europe and the UK and Canada and South America.

02:28:53.000 They did the same thing as me, they did the right thing.

02:28:57.000 I think history will record.

02:28:59.000 I think it will as well.

02:29:01.000 Have any of those things been restored that you were stripped of?

02:29:05.000 Out of these professional downturns, and there were lawsuits and money lost and corruption, and great things have been spawned.

02:29:17.000 We spawned the wellness company, which is heading towards skyrocketing for evaluation and IPO.

02:29:23.000 We're going to be enormously successful.

02:29:26.000 We have New York Times bestselling books.

02:29:30.000 I'm in my fifth office in Dallas, but I'm thriving now in a great environment.

02:29:35.000 I'm the editor of a major journal.

02:29:38.000 After losing two editorships, I've still yet to have an academic organization call me in for grand rounds.

02:29:45.000 And my goal is to live long enough to get that call.

02:29:49.000 2019, I was a visiting professor in medicine and I lectured at Harvard in two divisions.

02:29:56.000 They all know me.

02:29:56.000 Two divisions.

02:29:58.000 They all know me at the Mayo Clinic.

02:29:59.000 They know me at every major institution in the United States.

02:30:03.000 And I have patients go to those institutions and they specifically bring up my name.

02:30:08.000 They say, Yeah, we know Dr. McCullough.

02:30:10.000 Not a single one of my Former colleagues in academia will send even as much as an email or a text or a phone call.

02:30:19.000 Wow.

02:30:20.000 It is airtight.

02:30:24.000 It is airtight.

02:30:27.000 And some of them have died.

02:30:29.000 You know, our former chief of cardiology, when I was a division chief, had William Beaumont in Detroit, David Haynes.

02:30:35.000 We have an annual ski meeting.

02:30:36.000 David just dies right there in the hotel.

02:30:38.000 He had cardiac arrest.

02:30:40.000 One of my colleagues at Baylor in Dallas, cardiologist my age, Dr. Jimenez, he just dies of a cardiac arrest.

02:30:48.000 It's happening.

02:30:49.000 It's happening.

02:30:50.000 We are seeing people die out from the pandemic.

02:30:53.000 I predict that when we look back on this, for a period of time, human longevity will be truncated due to the pandemic, both from the infection and from the vaccines.

02:31:06.000 We're already seeing a fertility cliff.

02:31:08.000 It's very important.

02:31:09.000 Dr. Vibhaki Manichi, one of the most respected public health figures in Denmark, has already published this.

02:31:14.000 Fertility has fallen off a cliff after the first year of vaccination, both male and female fertility.

02:31:22.000 I just told you, 9% of Democratic senators have had premature stroke.

02:31:29.000 9%.

02:31:31.000 Add in a few more.

02:31:32.000 Lauren Bobart, Colorado representative, has had blood clots surgically taken out of her legs.

02:31:36.000 What's called May Thurner syndrome, probably driven by the spike protein.

02:31:39.000 Dianne Feinstein dies of neuroinvasive varicella in her brain.

02:31:45.000 That's a COVID vaccine injury syndrome.

02:31:48.000 And the list goes on and on.

02:31:49.000 All the athletes, all of our friends in the media, we see this happening.

02:31:54.000 So we're going to.

02:31:55.000 Humanity took a hit, two big waves the infection and now the vaccines.

02:32:00.000 Now we're going to recover through the wellness company.

02:32:03.000 Independent media is rocking right now because no one can trust mainstream media.

02:32:03.000 Things that you've done.

02:32:09.000 They know they're not getting a straight story.

02:32:12.000 Absolutely.

02:32:14.000 Another thing was the increase in all cause mortality, which insurance companies were posting about.

02:32:21.000 And that was extraordinary.

02:32:23.000 At one point, I think it was like 40% increase in all cause mortality for young people, which is.

02:32:30.000 It's a Six Sigma event.

02:32:31.000 These guys, these actuaries know the expected rates of death.

02:32:37.000 And all cause mortality for working age people skyrocketed.

02:32:41.000 Great credit to Edward Dowd, who's a former financial manager who studied this very carefully.

02:32:48.000 John Bedwayne, who's studied the death certificates and what's going on.

02:32:52.000 These people have all written books.

02:32:53.000 The books will go down.

02:32:54.000 There's dozens of books now that are very helpful to understand what's happened.

02:32:59.000 But you're right, mortality has gone up.

02:33:01.000 You know what's really spooky is probably 10 or 15 years ago, we used to hear about people, politicians being concerned we're going to run out of money for Social Security or Medicare.

02:33:15.000 You never hear that anymore.

02:33:17.000 No one brings it up.

02:33:19.000 They don't?

02:33:21.000 Have you heard anybody this season worry about Social Security running out of money?

02:33:25.000 I thought I have.

02:33:27.000 Fiscal responsibility.

02:33:28.000 Well, fiscal responsibility has kind of gone out the window, but the point is.

02:33:33.000 You know, there is an actuarial loss now of people.

02:33:36.000 Now, the baby boomers are, I'm the tail end of the baby boomers.

02:33:39.000 Baby boomers are 19, gosh, what are they?

02:33:44.000 1960, 1946 to 1964.

02:33:50.000 So I'm the tail end of the baby boomers.

02:33:52.000 That big swell of the population now is all either older than me, sadly, some have passed away.

02:33:57.000 So we're going to see a big swell of the population pass away.

02:33:59.000 It is a reality.

02:34:01.000 And things are going to curtail.

02:34:03.000 But we have to, Get control of fiscal responsibility.

02:34:06.000 These numbers are very important to know.

02:34:08.000 Our U.S. spend on our budget in 2004 was $2.2 trillion with a T. That's how much we spent in 2004.

02:34:16.000 We got to 2019, we're at $4.4 trillion.

02:34:20.000 Doubled.

02:34:21.000 That's more than the time value of money.

02:34:23.000 Doubled.

02:34:24.000 We get to COVID under the Trump administration, we go $4.4, $6.6 trillion overnight.

02:34:31.000 Overnight.

02:34:32.000 That's a 50% increase in our budget.

02:34:35.000 Money was just spent.

02:34:36.000 Hemorrhaging all over the place.

02:34:40.000 Now we're into Trump 2.0, big, beautiful bill, which is a big spending bill as well $7.7 trillion.

02:34:48.000 Elon Musk, you've had him on your show.

02:34:49.000 Elon tries to go to Washington.

02:34:50.000 He sees waste, fraud, and abuse everywhere.

02:34:53.000 And they couldn't wait to see him get out of Washington because he was going to ruin the party.

02:34:58.000 We're in an absolute spending orgy as a country right now.

02:35:03.000 And we're borrowing from ourselves through Treasury bonds.

02:35:07.000 So, when this whole party ends, it's going to be sorry, American people.

02:35:11.000 We know you liked your 401ks, but the whole Treasury bond system is going bust.

02:35:18.000 All right.

02:35:20.000 On that note.

02:35:22.000 So, we have to do better.

02:35:23.000 The point is, we have to do better.

02:35:24.000 And I think people are learning the truth.

02:35:27.000 Let's hope that through elections, let's hope through people seeking truth, getting a whole variety of opinions, that we take a better course.

02:35:35.000 And I think the future is bright, but the pandemic was certainly a six year learning experience, and it's going to go on for a few more years.

02:35:42.000 Agreed.

02:35:43.000 All right.

02:35:43.000 Well, thank you, sir.

02:35:44.000 It was great to see you again.

02:35:45.000 Thank you.

02:35:46.000 And thank you for all your courage.

02:35:47.000 I really appreciate it.

02:35:48.000 And for your ethics and your morals.

02:35:50.000 You're a good man.

02:35:51.000 Thank you.

02:35:51.000 Bye, everybody.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - November 04, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2576 - Dr. Peter McCullough

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