The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #312 - Steve Rinella, Bryan Callen

00:00:04.000 Is that it?

00:00:05.000 Are we really live?

00:00:06.000 Let's see.

00:00:06.000 Let's see if it worked.

00:00:11.000 Boy, does the internet here suck. 0.94

00:00:21.000 I'm so high. 0.78

00:00:23.000 I know you are, but you're also on the air, so hold on a second.

00:00:25.000 Sorry.

00:00:27.000 I didn't say that.

00:00:29.000 We're still on the air now.

00:00:31.000 I'm going to whisper this.

00:00:32.000 Hold on folks, I gotta log in.

00:00:36.000 Is there a little supply of these waters anywhere?

00:00:54.000 This is the longest Most unprofessional pause in the history of my podcast career.

00:01:01.000 But I had to do it because Jamie's running the mic here, so we're making sure that everything is going well.

00:01:07.000 It seems like we're live and online.

00:01:11.000 This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast is brought to you by Audible.com.

00:01:16.000 If you've never been to Audible, they have thousands and thousands of audio books available for download.

00:01:25.000 And they have one thing that's really cool.

00:01:27.000 It's a WhisperSync application for the Kindle Fire HD. And what it is is the way it works.

00:01:34.000 You're reading a book.

00:01:35.000 Say you stop on page 32 and you go to sleep.

00:01:38.000 Well, when you get up in the morning and get in your car, it syncs up to your cell phone.

00:01:42.000 So it automatically starts an audio version of the book right where you left off.

00:01:47.000 Wait, wait, wait.

00:01:48.000 That's a good idea, man.

00:01:49.000 So can you say that one more time?

00:01:52.000 There's...

00:01:53.000 Brian Callen might be...

00:01:56.000 Hi!

00:01:57.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:01:58.000 There's an application called WhisperSync.

00:02:00.000 Okay.

00:02:01.000 And the way it works is when you have one of those Amazon Kindle HDs, you know, those badass...

00:02:06.000 I have one.

00:02:07.000 Okay.

00:02:08.000 Then you can use this.

00:02:09.000 When you're reading a book on it, if it has a companion audio book, With this WhisperSync, it allows you to sync it up to your smartphone.

00:02:17.000 So you have a smartphone, iPhone, whatever you have.

00:02:20.000 Syncs it up.

00:02:21.000 So then when you get in the car, it starts playing an audio companion to the book you're reading.

00:02:28.000 I've always wanted that.

00:02:29.000 Read by a professional actor.

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:31.000 That's a good idea.

00:02:32.000 You have those two competing versions, though, because listening to a book is a little bit different than reading it.

00:02:37.000 Right.

00:02:37.000 So you'd be getting parts that you listened to and parts that you read.

00:02:40.000 Yeah, it can be good, unless the guy sucks at reading books.

00:02:45.000 Like, you ever read a...

00:02:46.000 No, but I would love it, man.

00:02:48.000 You'd burn through way more books.

00:02:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:50.000 Because you don't want to go start a new one sometimes.

00:02:52.000 You just want to keep doing the one you're doing.

00:02:54.000 Yeah, and it makes use of time and traffic and...

00:02:58.000 I listen to books all the time.

00:03:00.000 If you're one of those elliptical writers, just get on that thing and...

00:03:04.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:03:05.000 What else you got, Joe?

00:03:07.000 It's just an ad.

00:03:08.000 It's just an ad that I have to do.

00:03:10.000 If you go to audible.com.

00:03:12.000 I do like it.

00:03:13.000 I think it's audible.com forward slash Joe.

00:03:16.000 I should know this, right?

00:03:18.000 Let's see if I get it right.

00:03:25.000 WhisperSync.

00:03:26.000 I'm doing that. 1.00

00:03:27.000 Dude, it's the shit. 1.00

00:03:28.000 It's beautiful. 0.99

00:03:29.000 I love audiobooks, but I love the fact that the two of them tie in together.

00:03:33.000 Me too.

00:03:34.000 I mean, it's just such a brilliant idea.

00:03:35.000 You get a lot of stuff done.

00:03:36.000 Do they have the Golden Globes on tape?

00:03:38.000 I don't know.

00:03:39.000 If they do, I'll cry. 0.96

00:03:42.000 But anyway, if you go there, I would tell you, but my internet is fucked here. 0.95

00:03:49.000 We're getting a pipe drilled into this location.

00:03:52.000 We have to get a 100 megabyte video and audio capable, like, constantly on.

00:03:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:59.000 Fat pipe.

00:04:00.000 Because what we have is DSL, and it's fucking terrible. 0.99

00:04:04.000 We're, like, living in the stone ages here. 0.97

00:04:06.000 DSL. Whatever.

00:04:08.000 Do you hear that when you go hunting?

00:04:11.000 Hey, do you ever bring a...

00:04:12.000 You bring satellite phones, that's right.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, we played.

00:04:14.000 We talked about that.

00:04:15.000 I wonder what kind of radiation I got from that. 0.99

00:04:17.000 Oh, you'll probably be dead soon.

00:04:18.000 I never heard of...

00:04:19.000 Yeah, I never heard of what's...

00:04:20.000 But the thing is, no one would be able to really afford to do that much damage to themselves on a satellite phone until the price comes down a little bit.

00:04:26.000 That's true.

00:04:27.000 You get in a fight with your wife on there, you're looking at...

00:04:30.000 Huh?

00:04:31.000 I mean, you get in a fight with your wife on a satellite phone, that's expensive.

00:04:34.000 That's an expensive fight.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, you do not want to have that.

00:04:38.000 Go to...

00:04:40.000 Audible.com forward slash Joe.

00:04:42.000 And what I believe it is, I believe you get one free audiobook in a free month.

00:04:47.000 I wish I could read it off the website. 0.94

00:04:49.000 But like I said, this piece of shit internet is not letting us even open up webpages. 0.98

00:04:54.000 Jamie, Jesus Christ. 0.98

00:04:57.000 We're not even uploading anything.

00:04:58.000 There it is.

00:04:59.000 Try Audible free for 30 days and get a free audiobook.

00:05:03.000 So check it out. 0.97

00:05:04.000 And I think that application is fucking brilliant. 0.95

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00:05:15.000 I just gave Steve Rinella the gift pack.

00:05:18.000 The sweet box.

00:05:19.000 I love that gift pack.

00:05:20.000 I'm a little jealous.

00:05:20.000 I thought it was mine and my heart sank a little.

00:05:22.000 I should have had one for you.

00:05:23.000 I got you something.

00:05:24.000 I go, you got me a present?

00:05:26.000 And you just, slow motion, reach over to Rinalda like, here you go, other friend who takes me hunting.

00:05:32.000 Sweetie, I get you some all the time.

00:05:34.000 Forget it.

00:05:35.000 You can have some too.

00:05:36.000 It's just, that was the last package.

00:05:37.000 I'm sorry, I get crazy.

00:05:38.000 Someone stole the buffalo jerky out of that one too.

00:05:40.000 What the flip?

00:05:41.000 Yeah, we have this delicious buffalo jerky we sell now.

00:05:45.000 Dude, you know what I got into today for the first time?

00:05:47.000 My dear back straps.

00:05:50.000 Those are great fillets.

00:05:52.000 Because I was eating all the leg meat, and I was like, ah, this is good, this is good. 0.96

00:05:55.000 Those back straps are ridiculous. 0.89

00:05:58.000 You're eating all the trimmings first. 0.98

00:05:59.000 Yeah, that's what I was doing.

00:06:00.000 That's good, because most people eat all the favorite parts.

00:06:03.000 Oh, dude, that back strap is crazy good.

00:06:05.000 It's good to work that way.

00:06:06.000 I was frying it up in butter and salt.

00:06:08.000 It's delicious.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, I would like to eat that forever.

00:06:12.000 Steve, how could you forget our bear meat?

00:06:14.000 You smoked bear meat.

00:06:16.000 You know what?

00:06:16.000 I'm telling you, my wife had, we had a baby a month ago, and like I said, I've been sleeping on the floor next to the bed in a sleeping bag, and all night, I'm getting interrupted, and I can't remember anything.

00:06:28.000 And last night, at one point, I'm like, you know what?

00:06:30.000 I know I'll forget the bear meat.

00:06:32.000 I should go put the bear meat in my bag now.

00:06:35.000 So I'm like, but that's, you know...

00:06:37.000 Then you start thinking about, like, hours without refrigeration.

00:06:40.000 Right.

00:06:40.000 And I just thought, I'll just be...

00:06:41.000 I'll just get up and remember it.

00:06:43.000 I'm just sitting there right now.

00:06:44.000 And it was good, too, man.

00:06:45.000 I did a sample slice off it.

00:06:47.000 Really?

00:06:47.000 What's it taste like?

00:06:48.000 It's like...

00:06:49.000 It tastes like really dense.

00:06:51.000 Well, just the way I did it, it tastes like really dense ham, you know?

00:06:54.000 But more like a prosciutto kind of thing, but darker.

00:06:57.000 Really?

00:06:57.000 Darker, yeah.

00:06:58.000 Now, when you say you smoke it, that means you're not cooking it?

00:07:01.000 No, I'm hot smoking.

00:07:02.000 So I brine it for about a week, and then tie it real tight, you know?

00:07:09.000 Is there a commercial version of this?

00:07:11.000 Can you get, like, can you buy it?

00:07:13.000 No, no one's done it, man.

00:07:14.000 No one's done it.

00:07:15.000 Wow.

00:07:16.000 You know, there's so many, like, when you get Wild Game in a restaurant...

00:07:20.000 It's either imported, like come from Scotland or New Zealand and be deer, but the domestic ant, like the, I'm sorry, the indigenous animals here, you know, people have done wild game versions, like you can get elk or deer or whatever.

00:07:32.000 Right.

00:07:33.000 But I think that the bear thing, I've never heard of anybody trying to do commercially produced bears.

00:07:38.000 Of course, you can't sell a wild game.

00:07:42.000 You've got to have it be inspected and produced in a controlled environment.

00:07:46.000 But I think that it would just be so expensive to put weight on a bear.

00:07:50.000 How gangster would it be if you were farming bears to eat them?

00:07:53.000 I don't know that it would be illegal because one time I looked into...

00:07:56.000 I wrote this article about...

00:08:00.000 Eating a...

00:08:00.000 I wrote this article about...

00:08:01.000 I went to Vietnam and did a piece about eating dogs around the Tet holiday because it's like really auspicious to eat a dog in the last days of the lunar year.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 Well, I was writing my article and I had this line in there in my article where I'm like, you know, of course it's illegal to sell dog meat in the U.S. But in other, you know, some line like that.

00:08:20.000 And this fact checker was like, well, how do you know?

00:08:23.000 Like, show me...

00:08:24.000 Where you got that it's illegal to sell dog meat in the U.S. I'm like, well, I didn't.

00:08:29.000 I mean, of course it is.

00:08:30.000 You can't sell dog meat in the U.S. He's like, well, we need to see something.

00:08:33.000 You know, you got to back it up.

00:08:35.000 And I started looking into it in a real way, and I called someone from the USDA and other things, and there's nothing, man.

00:08:42.000 Like, California and New York, it's illegal to sell dog meat.

00:08:45.000 It's like the only two states where someone ever really pushed it.

00:08:47.000 In Michigan, the rule is you can't sell dog meat unless it's properly labeled.

00:08:52.000 And this guy from the USDA... Now, this is a conversation I had with a guy from the USDA, and he told me this.

00:08:56.000 He said that...

00:08:59.000 Within their guidelines, there's no reason you could not have an inspected dog production facility.

00:09:04.000 Of course someone's going to come after you.

00:09:06.000 The minute you did it, you'd probably have tons of people coming after you for different reasons, but there's nothing per se that's like one cannot commercially produce dog meat.

00:09:14.000 It's fascinating how we commit like that to being really kind to one specific animal, and that animal almost becomes our family.

00:09:20.000 Well, that was our domestic, our pets, right?

00:09:22.000 Yeah, like the three horse places.

00:09:24.000 There was three horse places that all got shut down some years ago now.

00:09:27.000 I think they're opening one back up.

00:09:28.000 A lot of it is, I think if you open, dogs are very emotional for people.

00:09:34.000 You know, if you do a movie...

00:09:35.000 You inspire emotions in people.

00:09:37.000 Yeah, Todd Phillips was saying when he did that movie, what's it called, Road Trip, and Jimmy, Robert Downey Jr. spits on Zach's dog.

00:09:46.000 Right.

00:09:46.000 That was a big conversation, because how do you get somebody who spits on a dog, how do you then kind of get them to be sympathetic?

00:09:53.000 This all got on an awesome tangent. 1.00

00:09:55.000 I've got to finish this stupid fucking commercial. 0.99

00:09:57.000 Yeah, when we get back around to it, I want to remember, I want to talk about the movie Lone Wolf McQuaid. 1.00

00:10:01.000 Okay.

00:10:01.000 Oh, it's an awesome movie.

00:10:03.000 They kill his family. 0.99

00:10:04.000 He doesn't get really mad until they kill his dog. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Exactly.

00:10:06.000 They kill his dog and he's like, no, everybody's going to pay.

00:10:10.000 Anyway, go to Onnit.com and buy some shit. 0.99

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00:10:17.000 All right, hit the music.

00:10:18.000 Let's see if we can do this, Jamie.

00:10:19.000 Nice.

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00:10:32.000 Alrighty.

00:10:34.000 It looks like everything is a go.

00:10:39.000 Except the image.

00:10:41.000 Are you seeing the image?

00:10:45.000 Because all I'm seeing is the opening screen.

00:10:50.000 You see the image?

00:10:53.000 Oh, is there like a big-ass delay?

00:10:55.000 There it goes.

00:10:57.000 Do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

00:11:02.000 Do you see it online?

00:11:03.000 Because I don't see it online.

00:11:04.000 All I see is the opening screen.

00:11:13.000 But are you seeing it on Ustream?

00:11:15.000 Because on Ustream, I don't see it.

00:11:16.000 We'll figure this out, ladies and gentlemen.

00:11:18.000 Brian has a new kind of AIDS that he created himself in his own body, so don't feel sorry for him.

00:11:24.000 Not you.

00:11:24.000 I'm talking about Brian, my employee.

00:11:26.000 Yes.

00:11:27.000 I don't know what happened to the poor boy.

00:11:28.000 He's got strep, I guess, apparently.

00:11:30.000 Did he?

00:11:30.000 Yeah, he's had it before.

00:11:32.000 He gets it.

00:11:33.000 Strep.

00:11:33.000 Poor guy.

00:11:34.000 So, heal up, little buddy.

00:11:36.000 He's hurting right now.

00:11:38.000 He can't even talk. 1.00

00:11:39.000 That shit's bad. 1.00

00:11:41.000 A lot of flu going around, man. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Yeah, it's a strong one, too.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, man, it's all over the news.

00:11:44.000 You didn't get a flu shot, did you?

00:11:46.000 No.

00:11:47.000 I figured you didn't.

00:11:48.000 I think I remember you telling me something like that.

00:11:50.000 I think you have to keep your immune system strong.

00:11:52.000 I think it's very, very important.

00:11:54.000 But I don't necessarily know that they've got that whole flu shot thing down.

00:11:58.000 There's a lot of talk that people actually get the flu because they take a flu shot.

00:12:02.000 I've heard people say that because apparently it can make you sick or make you weak.

00:12:05.000 The CDC, what are they saying?

00:12:07.000 It's 64% effective this year.

00:12:09.000 64%.

00:12:09.000 Oh, really?

00:12:10.000 I mean, I'm talking out of my ass. 1.00

00:12:12.000 They must take a bunch of mugs, give them the flu shot, and then... 1.00

00:12:15.000 Spit on them, have a guy with the flu spit on them, and 64% of those guys didn't get the flu. 0.99

00:12:21.000 I'm completely talking out of my ass because I don't really... 0.99

00:12:24.000 I mean, I'm sure it does some good, especially maybe for some people. 0.99

00:12:27.000 Maybe some people could use the boost of a vaccination.

00:12:30.000 But I think that...

00:12:32.000 From what I've heard, there's so many different strains, and it's really hard for them to predict which strain is hitting people.

00:12:40.000 I think they give you an amalgam of different ones because of that.

00:12:44.000 Do you know what they do?

00:12:45.000 Yeah, but usually there's one strong, very severe flu, whether it's swine flu, or this year it's supposed to be particularly severe, so I guess they inject you with a dead version, but it still can give you a fever and stuff because it's a new agent in your body. 0.97

00:12:58.000 And isn't it fucked that they all come from farms? 0.77

00:13:01.000 It's like almost all of them are like the chicken flu or the swine flu. 0.99

00:13:06.000 That's why in Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond says that agricultural societies breathe way nastier germs because animals mutate from the cowpox, smallpox.

00:13:18.000 And the minute that indigenous hunter-gatherer tribes, because they were small, always moving, so epidemics couldn't really build into those environments, usually you're kind of healthy being a hunter-gatherer.

00:13:29.000 Yeah, and that's why here in this continent, when they pass through the Arctic, Siberia and stuff, they came down really clean. 0.99

00:13:35.000 That's right, because they leave their feces where they are and they move, whereas farmers live within their shit and Wild and in your own filth, man. 0.98

00:13:45.000 So when they would come in, these big agricultural societies, not only did they have systems of governments because they could grow more because they could grow their own food and stay in one place, but they breathed nasty germs, man. 0.98

00:13:58.000 In fact, by some accounts, the Native Americans, by the time after Cortez came back, or Columbus, one of them, Columbus came, and they were talking about huge populations in the Mississippi Delta and stuff.

00:14:08.000 You know more about this than I do, Steve.

00:14:10.000 Just gone.

00:14:10.000 When they came back in 15 years, nobody was there.

00:14:13.000 It was literally, and they think that the epidemic killed off 95% of the Native Americans. 0.99

00:14:20.000 God damn. 0.96

00:14:21.000 But I had my flu shot, though, and I'll tell you why, because We have, like, having that little baby? 0.99

00:14:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:29.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:14:29.000 Like, any little thing that I could, any paranoid thing I could say about having a flu shot, like, if you came home and gave, do you know what I mean?

00:14:36.000 Like, I'd rather have an increased chance of something weird happening to me than, I don't think you can give the flu to a little baby.

00:14:42.000 Well, they have their mother's immune system and the breast milk is a real, the breast milk is pretty amazing.

00:14:47.000 So she probably got the flu shot through her mom anyway. 0.81

00:14:49.000 Yeah.

00:14:50.000 Yeah, it's incredible how quickly it brings them back from colds and stuff like that.

00:14:54.000 There's everything their little body needs in that.

00:14:57.000 That's right.

00:14:57.000 It's really insane that your body makes food.

00:14:59.000 I know.

00:15:00.000 When you see a woman's body produce food, it's a trip. 1.00

00:15:04.000 It's really hard to wrap your head around.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, I had a buddy that would use it for coffee creamer and stuff.

00:15:09.000 Okay, that guy's a freak. 0.95

00:15:10.000 I talked a lot about how I was going to drink some, and I talked so much, before I first got to talk so much garbage about it. 0.98

00:15:18.000 I was like, oh, I'm going to drink it and da-da-da.

00:15:20.000 And when the time came...

00:15:21.000 I'm going to tell you guys, when we're off here, I'm going to tell you a story. 0.98

00:15:26.000 It's hard to get back to sucking on those things, too. 0.95

00:15:28.000 It's strange, you know?

00:15:30.000 It's like, once you think of them as where the food comes back, I mean, where the food comes out for the baby, and then all of a sudden you're like, yeah, baby.

00:15:39.000 It becomes strange.

00:15:42.000 It's like, wait a minute, what is that place exactly?

00:15:45.000 Maybe that's when a man becomes a man, when the first time he's... 0.75

00:15:50.000 It just takes, you know, there's like a state of grace where it's like for like six months at least after she stops breastfeeding, you leave them alone. 0.94

00:15:57.000 That's so true.

00:15:58.000 But you can't mess with them during the breastfeeding phase. 0.99

00:16:01.000 It's just rude.

00:16:02.000 Yeah.

00:16:02.000 It's creepy.

00:16:02.000 When you have kids.

00:16:03.000 Yeah, and you're moving in on your kids.

00:16:04.000 When you have children and you see a woman go through that, you do look at women differently, that's for sure.

00:16:09.000 Like when I was in my 20s, girls were, you know, they were soft boys.

00:16:12.000 They were like, oh, look, play.

00:16:14.000 I'll play with her.

00:16:14.000 How come you're not just like me?

00:16:15.000 Why isn't your mind like mine?

00:16:16.000 Why can't I get along with you?

00:16:17.000 What do you mean you fell asleep during Raging Bull?

00:16:19.000 I have to break up with you.

00:16:20.000 That's outrageous.

00:16:21.000 How do you not like fighting and stuff? 1.00

00:16:24.000 I thought you were mean with tits. 1.00

00:16:26.000 That's weird. 0.99

00:16:27.000 But then you realize they're completely different.

00:16:29.000 It's a totally different species.

00:16:31.000 Totally different species, man.

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 My take has always been that we're never really...

00:16:37.000 The idea that we're going to somehow or another be able to understand what it's like to be pregnant or to even want to be pregnant.

00:16:44.000 The whole idea of being attracted to a guy.

00:16:47.000 It's so alien to us.

00:16:49.000 We talked about this earlier.

00:16:51.000 Guys that say we're pregnant.

00:16:54.000 Yeah, what?

00:16:56.000 I said to Steve, he goes, yeah, you know my wife just had a baby, right?

00:16:59.000 I was like, that's the way to say it.

00:17:00.000 My wife just had a baby. 0.61

00:17:02.000 Don't be like, we just had a baby.

00:17:03.000 You did not.

00:17:04.000 No, we are pregnant is the worst.

00:17:06.000 Oh, it annoys me!

00:17:07.000 That's the worst.

00:17:08.000 We just had a baby's okay because you're together.

00:17:11.000 I would say my wife just had a baby.

00:17:13.000 I might say we just had a baby.

00:17:15.000 I definitely wouldn't say we're pregnant, though. 1.00

00:17:18.000 That's stupid. 0.99

00:17:19.000 It's annoying. 1.00

00:17:19.000 It's supposed to be a solidarity thing. 1.00

00:17:22.000 Or how about guys who have sympathetic pregnancies where their breasts hurt? 0.99

00:17:25.000 That's a guy just giving up his balls way too quick. 1.00

00:17:27.000 Way too quick. 0.99

00:17:28.000 He's just ready. 0.98

00:17:29.000 He's ready to chop them off. 0.95

00:17:30.000 He's pulling on them himself. 0.93

00:17:31.000 He's stretching them out himself.

00:17:33.000 He's like, where do you want to cut?

00:17:34.000 High?

00:17:34.000 Low?

00:17:35.000 Don't trust you, brother.

00:17:36.000 Don't trust you.

00:17:37.000 You're not coming hunting with us. 1.00

00:17:38.000 You crafty bitch. 1.00

00:17:39.000 We're pregnant. 1.00

00:17:40.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:17:41.000 Shut up, stupid. 1.00

00:17:41.000 You'll cry when the shit hits the fan. 1.00

00:17:43.000 I know you will. 1.00

00:17:44.000 I know you'll break. 1.00

00:17:45.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:17:46.000 The deer are smelling your estrogen. 1.00

00:17:47.000 You will break under pressure, bitch. 1.00

00:17:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:49.000 Okay? 1.00

00:17:50.000 You and your bitch tits. 1.00

00:17:51.000 You're gonna fucking sink this canoe, stupid. 1.00

00:17:53.000 Do you notice colors in fabric too? 1.00

00:17:56.000 Yeah, what is that when a dude will like try to feng shui your house?

00:18:00.000 Oh man, you know what you really should do?

00:18:02.000 You should move all this over to here and change... 1.00

00:18:04.000 Who the fuck are you, man? 1.00

00:18:06.000 If I go over to a man's house, I expect to see just fucking... 1.00

00:18:09.000 If the dude's single, I expect chaos. 0.99

00:18:12.000 I expect total chaos.

00:18:14.000 Do you remember?

00:18:16.000 I remember I came to your house one time.

00:18:17.000 This was like literally you were 28. Your house was, he lived, he was doing news radio and he lived way out in the middle of nowhere and his house was so messier than mine and mine is messy but there was just, nothing was put away.

00:18:29.000 Yours is messy now?

00:18:29.000 No, no, [...

00:18:31.000 But it used to be.

00:18:32.000 In the old days.

00:18:32.000 But I said to Joe, I go, why don't you get a maid?

00:18:34.000 He goes, I don't want somebody rummaging around my stuff.

00:18:38.000 This is my mess.

00:18:39.000 It was a cyclone. 1.00

00:18:40.000 A fucking cyclone. 1.00

00:18:43.000 It was crazy. 1.00

00:18:44.000 It was great.

00:18:45.000 Yeah.

00:18:46.000 I couldn't take care of myself.

00:18:47.000 But that's how almost every one of my friends' houses are. 1.00

00:18:50.000 If I went over to your place when you were single, it's the same shit. 1.00

00:18:52.000 You didn't even have a doorknob. 1.00

00:18:53.000 He didn't have a doorknob.

00:18:55.000 He didn't have a doorknob.

00:18:56.000 I'm not bullshitting. 0.99

00:18:57.000 He had a place in Venice, and he didn't have a fucking doorknob. 0.99

00:19:00.000 He was appalled. 0.99

00:19:02.000 Did he have a doorknob when you rented it?

00:19:04.000 Dude, I literally didn't have a doorknob, and I just figured nobody's going to break into my house telling the story about the... 0.95

00:19:08.000 And so one day, he fucking wakes up, and there's a homeless lady inside his house cooking breakfast. 0.97

00:19:15.000 Literally, literally like cooking. 0.99

00:19:16.000 She goes, you got it going on.

00:19:18.000 I'm like, what do you mean?

00:19:19.000 I got it going on.

00:19:20.000 I actually wasn't.

00:19:20.000 I didn't wake up.

00:19:21.000 I came in.

00:19:22.000 I came in and my neighbors go, there's a woman in your house cooking. 1.00

00:19:25.000 And I come in and she's got a meal prepared.

00:19:28.000 My pit bulls are like, hey man.

00:19:30.000 She was feeding my dogs. 0.96

00:19:31.000 And now you guys have children.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:34.000 Unfortunately, she wasn't that attractive back then though.

00:19:36.000 Listen.

00:19:39.000 The being attractive wasn't really on the criteria.

00:19:41.000 If you were a girl, I was like, all right, I'm in.

00:19:43.000 If you go to Ari Shaffir's house, he tells me that sometimes he doesn't change his sheets for six months.

00:19:48.000 That's guys!

00:19:49.000 Dude, in college!

00:19:50.000 I used to change my sheets only when I changed girlfriends.

00:19:54.000 The only time I'd ever wash...

00:19:55.000 I'd be like, oh yeah, spray washing.

00:19:57.000 It's true.

00:19:58.000 Especially if you get used to living camping style and you're hunting all the time like you are. 1.00

00:20:03.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:20:04.000 I didn't hunt in college. 1.00

00:20:05.000 We kept dishes in the sink for so long in college, me and my two other roommates. 0.99

00:20:10.000 I swear to God that we had shit growing out of the drain. 0.99

00:20:14.000 We had sprouts in the drain. 1.00

00:20:16.000 We'd grown fucking sprouts. 0.99

00:20:18.000 Did I ever show you that thing that grew in my toilet? 0.99

00:20:20.000 Did I ever show you that thing that grew in my toilet?

00:20:22.000 No.

00:20:22.000 There was apparently a crack in the pipe below my toilet and a root got in there and grew to the size of like a muskrat or something.

00:20:32.000 It was crazy.

00:20:33.000 It was like this long and it was growing.

00:20:35.000 It's like my toilet wouldn't flush or it would drain really slowly.

00:20:38.000 I couldn't figure out what it was. 1.00

00:20:39.000 It was an organism living off my shit water. 1.00

00:20:43.000 That's wild. 1.00

00:20:44.000 I mean, we're literally livering off my shit water and fat and thick like a tree. 0.99

00:20:49.000 It looks like an animal. 0.99

00:20:51.000 Wait, but it was a bark, a piece of root.

00:20:53.000 A little root got into the pipe and then...

00:20:55.000 Yeah, the root grew.

00:20:57.000 Roots are crazy, man.

00:20:59.000 They can grow through pipes.

00:21:01.000 Yeah, you see that stuff you add in called root killer?

00:21:03.000 Oh, yeah?

00:21:04.000 You flush down your toilet.

00:21:08.000 But I'm so fussy now and fastidious about my home now.

00:21:12.000 Because at a point, you identify with your home, you know?

00:21:14.000 Yeah, but also you get tired of this.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, now everything's just...

00:21:18.000 Right.

00:21:19.000 I think that you can already simplify.

00:21:20.000 I'd be lining these water bottles and stuff up, man.

00:21:23.000 Yeah, and you know, you're a father, and you have children.

00:21:25.000 You don't walk in a mess.

00:21:27.000 I grew up in a neat home.

00:21:28.000 Then you take a break, and then you go...

00:21:30.000 Then you act like your parents.

00:21:32.000 It's kind of true.

00:21:33.000 You're like, neat.

00:21:34.000 I kind of grew up – like I remember one day things had to be neat.

00:21:38.000 I got tired of the mess and things had to be ordered and simple and clear. 0.88

00:21:43.000 I don't know when the fuck that happened to me but I know it happened one day. 0.92

00:21:47.000 I was like, this is messy. 0.98

00:21:49.000 I need to – I don't know.

00:21:50.000 I got tired of the mess.

00:21:52.000 Maybe it's hormonal.

00:21:54.000 You think so?

00:21:54.000 I don't know.

00:21:55.000 I just think it's smart.

00:21:58.000 It's smart to have a clean environment.

00:22:01.000 When your environment is clean, it makes you think better.

00:22:03.000 If you're completely cluttered.

00:22:07.000 Largely, it's mental peace of mind.

00:22:09.000 When I get up, if I'm writing or whatever, and I get up, I can't Right until the dishes and stuff are done.

00:22:15.000 Really?

00:22:15.000 And in a way, it's like a procrastination thing, you know?

00:22:17.000 Yeah, it is.

00:22:17.000 Because it helps you put stuff off.

00:22:19.000 Like, if you were really diligent and really disciplined, you'd be able to just work through the mayhem.

00:22:24.000 Yeah.

00:22:24.000 You know, for me, everything's got to be, like, nice and buttoned up.

00:22:27.000 You know, J.J. Abrams, you know, the guy who's directed and written everything from, he created Lost to, like, every genius.

00:22:35.000 I just tested for a TV show with Greg Grunberg, who's in Heroes.

00:22:39.000 He's his best friend since he was three.

00:22:41.000 Greg's a great guy.

00:22:42.000 He said that when he pitches J.J. Abrams an idea, J.J. goes, I don't want to hear it.

00:22:47.000 Write it.

00:22:47.000 He goes, I know, but I just want to hear it.

00:22:48.000 I don't want to.

00:22:49.000 He goes, what are you doing?

00:22:51.000 Yeah.

00:23:03.000 Yeah.

00:23:11.000 We use to worry or to think about other things.

00:23:14.000 It goes right into his work. 0.99

00:23:18.000 If we could only get that jackson of a bitch to stop dialing in the last season. 1.00

00:23:24.000 You're talking about the pilot guy. 0.99

00:23:26.000 He dialed it in the last season.

00:23:28.000 I gave up on loss because of him.

00:23:30.000 Oh, I didn't see it.

00:23:32.000 I didn't see it.

00:23:33.000 I've been obsessed with Breaking Bad, man.

00:23:35.000 I'm almost done with season four.

00:23:36.000 Lost is a brilliant... 0.83

00:23:37.000 I'm just fucking around about the pilot if he's out there listening. 0.99

00:23:41.000 It was one episode that was ridiculous. 0.98

00:23:43.000 I forget what it was.

00:23:44.000 It was like they were by a puddle that brings people back to life or something like that. 0.98

00:23:48.000 And he's just standing there like, what the fuck am I doing?

00:23:50.000 Towards the end, Lost got like, they went off the crazy train. 1.00

00:23:55.000 People were coming back to life and shit. 0.98

00:23:57.000 I never watched that show. 1.00

00:23:59.000 Time traveling back and forth. 0.99

00:24:00.000 I mean, it was like, all right, where's that fucking polar bear, man? 0.99

00:24:03.000 Whatever happened to those polar bears? 0.99

00:24:04.000 At the end, they ended up being in purgatory, right?

00:24:06.000 I didn't even stick around to the end.

00:24:08.000 I'm like, whatever.

00:24:10.000 The Wind Monster.

00:24:11.000 Remember the Wind Monster? 0.99

00:24:12.000 Come and fuck everything up. 0.98

00:24:13.000 It was a great show. 0.99

00:24:15.000 Great show.

00:24:16.000 It must be so hard to do something like that, do a show like that, just to create it.

00:24:21.000 Keep coming up with ideas.

00:24:22.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:24:24.000 Basically, you have to keep surprising your audience.

00:24:27.000 For years, it was a brilliant show.

00:24:30.000 For years.

00:24:31.000 Like a brilliant show that really left you hanging on the edge of your seat.

00:24:34.000 I got onto it in a DVD form, though.

00:24:39.000 So I got to watch a whole shitload of it at once.

00:24:41.000 It's the only way to do it, though.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

00:24:43.000 I watched like the first two seasons like in a row, you know, so it was great.

00:24:47.000 And then, you know, like you don't you don't get tortured.

00:24:50.000 I gotta do that with home.

00:24:53.000 The style of TV watches is changing the TV experience in a way.

00:24:55.000 You think so?

00:24:56.000 Yeah, because I think just the idea of a serial being like everyone has this cliffhanger element and there'd be time to anticipate.

00:25:06.000 But now, I think it's largely generational, but now you get turned on to something and you're like, well, I'm not going to do that.

00:25:12.000 I'll just go rent them and watch the whole thing all the way through.

00:25:15.000 It's just a way different experience than watching a little bit and then for a week thinking about it and watching a little bit.

00:25:21.000 I think you burn out faster.

00:25:23.000 Every time I get into a show, if we get interested in a show, my wife and I will just go Netflix or the rent or whatever.

00:25:28.000 And we burn out before you would.

00:25:30.000 Because it's not meant to be.

00:25:32.000 You're not supposed to sit there and watch four half hours in a row some night.

00:25:36.000 Unless you're Joe Rogan.

00:25:37.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:25:37.000 Because I know you can do that.

00:25:38.000 Yeah, I can watch it easy.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, I've got a problem.

00:25:42.000 Then you get eight episodes in and you're like, eh, I'm over it.

00:25:46.000 Some shows, yes.

00:25:46.000 It wasn't playing out the way it was supposed to play out.

00:25:47.000 Do you have a favorite TV show?

00:25:52.000 Like, really, I just don't take in a lot of...

00:25:54.000 I don't take in a lot of TV, but if the show I like...

00:25:58.000 I feel like they quit making them.

00:26:01.000 I watch, like...

00:26:02.000 I like Curb Your Enthusiasm.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, that's a great show.

00:26:04.000 But I don't watch...

00:26:06.000 You like comedies, right?

00:26:08.000 I like stuff that's so far...

00:26:10.000 I like stuff that's just so far removed from anything in my life.

00:26:14.000 Or anything that I do or think about, you know?

00:26:17.000 And so it's just like...

00:26:17.000 A show like that, a comedy like that is funny to me, but I just have never been that interested in watching TV shows.

00:26:24.000 I don't know why.

00:26:24.000 I like to watch movies a lot.

00:26:27.000 But then I tend more to watch a lot of foreign movies.

00:26:29.000 I don't know.

00:26:30.000 I just want stuff that's just coming at me from way outside.

00:26:34.000 There's so many good drama TV shows now.

00:26:38.000 There's so many shows that it's like...

00:26:40.000 Yeah, from Dexter to Breaking Bad to Homeland.

00:26:42.000 It's because it's so hard to make movies right now, right?

00:26:45.000 Is that what it is? 0.93

00:26:47.000 Yeah, you're getting these, like that Homeland show, that's a fucking unbelievably good show. 0.56

00:26:54.000 I've only seen four episodes and once I'm done with Breaking Bad, I'm on that. 0.71

00:26:58.000 Dude, it gets better.

00:26:59.000 It keeps getting better.

00:27:00.000 That show is incredible.

00:27:01.000 Incredible.

00:27:02.000 That's amazing. 1.00

00:27:02.000 That's a good fucking show. 1.00

00:27:04.000 And it's like, this is like a movie. 1.00

00:27:06.000 You're watching, this is like movie quality shit. 0.98

00:27:08.000 Whereas before, you were watching like The Six Million Dollar Man. 0.99

00:27:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:13.000 TV. At one point I was filled with dog shit. 1.00

00:27:16.000 We're like in the golden age of TV in some ways. 1.00

00:27:19.000 I really think so.

00:27:21.000 But the thing I always feel about TV when I'm watching dramas, I always feel like I'm watching people Like, often times I feel like it's being written from an angle where they don't really understand the world they're writing about. 0.88

00:27:34.000 Like, yeah, period piece type shit?

00:27:35.000 No, like, even the thing like the HBO vampire show. 0.99

00:27:39.000 Oh.

00:27:40.000 Where it's like a bunch of dudes, like, imagining the South.

00:27:44.000 Like, I got it.

00:27:45.000 It'll be the hell heck, you know what I mean?

00:27:47.000 And it just kind of winds up being like, has any of you ever...

00:27:49.000 And I don't know, I'm not like, don't know much about this, but I know enough to know that it just feels like someone picturing what it would be like in their world.

00:27:57.000 Well, the guy who created that...

00:27:57.000 Like, if I lived in the South, I would have to be like this.

00:28:00.000 Well, I don't... 0.82

00:28:01.000 Alan Ball was from the South, but he was a gay man in the South. 0.55

00:28:04.000 And I think if you watch True Blood, vampires, you know, that's his experience.

00:28:08.000 It's, I think, I don't mean to put, I know Alan, so I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's what, being a vampire in the South, like, that takes place is what it felt like to be gay when you were younger and it was a violent place.

00:28:20.000 Like, really campy.

00:28:22.000 Yeah.

00:28:23.000 True Blood, I think, was a book or something like that, but I think that at the end of the day, you can see so much of what it was like to be gay as a young boy growing up in the South.

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:34.000 You know what?

00:28:35.000 Just knowing that alone may make a watch from a fresh perspective.

00:28:38.000 That's what I believe.

00:28:39.000 I saw a thing in that. 1.00

00:28:40.000 I think you just made that shit up. 0.99

00:28:42.000 No, I didn't. 1.00

00:28:42.000 I didn't. 1.00

00:28:43.000 I was like...

00:28:44.000 He took comparative literature in college.

00:28:46.000 I'm too high to remember.

00:28:46.000 He took comparative literature in college.

00:28:47.000 He's like, I feel like I'm going to do this gender. 0.99

00:28:49.000 I'm too high...

00:28:50.000 I'm going to do gender analysis in a TV show.

00:28:52.000 Yeah, but I'm too high to remember.

00:28:53.000 I find it fascinating, and I've been really fixated on this lately, how pussified movies and television are getting to the point where the vampires that we have, they're not like vampires.

00:29:07.000 They're like, they could be kind of your buddy.

00:29:09.000 They can hang out with you.

00:29:11.000 Yeah, it's like 90210 with vampires, man.

00:29:14.000 But why vampires?

00:29:15.000 Why would you want to make this horrific monster and change its nature...

00:29:19.000 And turn it into this romantic figure.

00:29:22.000 But my point is that what I'm freaking out about is that there's this whole trend.

00:29:27.000 Like that Bourne movie. 0.96

00:29:29.000 You know that Bourne ultimatum or whatever the fuck it is? 0.98

00:29:31.000 The new dude. 0.99

00:29:32.000 The new dude is pretty fucking badass. 0.98

00:29:34.000 Jeremy Renner. 0.98

00:29:35.000 He's badass.

00:29:36.000 Okay. 1.00

00:29:37.000 He gets no pussy in the whole movie. 1.00

00:29:39.000 He saves everybody. 0.99

00:29:40.000 This girl's weeping.

00:29:42.000 She's all over him.

00:29:43.000 But there's never a kiss, never any desire on his part ever exhibited that he's even remotely attracted to these unbelievably hot women that he just keeps saving and they're falling in love with him.

00:29:53.000 And he's just kind of like blank and nonchalant. 0.99

00:29:56.000 Like, what the fuck is the message there? 0.98

00:29:58.000 Like, are we becoming... 0.99

00:30:00.000 Do we want our superheroes to be robot men there to service women and keep them alive? 0.94

00:30:06.000 And that's like the ultimate goal?

00:30:08.000 But no sex.

00:30:10.000 At the end of the movie, they're sitting on a boat together, and they're facing each other.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, but he almost got a hand to him for not throwing in a love interest, unless it was a love interest.

00:30:15.000 It was a love interest, clearly.

00:30:17.000 Yeah, I mean, he's saving her.

00:30:18.000 I mean, you know, the idea is that he's not really in love with her.

00:30:21.000 The dude's single, and she's hot. 1.00

00:30:22.000 I mean, come on, what are we, stupid? 1.00

00:30:23.000 I think you're right on. 1.00

00:30:24.000 That dude's good, though, man.

00:30:25.000 I think that's a really interesting observation, though, because if you actually think about it, like the TV shows I've seen, Even Homeland and certainly Breaking Bad, the sex is non-existent.

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 In fact, your heroes aren't even allowed to be lusty or any of that stuff.

00:30:41.000 They're not allowed to be like... 0.99

00:30:42.000 Homeland, there's a lot of fucking... 1.00

00:30:43.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:30:44.000 I only saw the first five episodes, so I don't know.

00:30:46.000 They get their freak on.

00:30:48.000 Oh, they do?

00:30:48.000 Don't you worry.

00:30:49.000 But it's just interesting how...

00:30:50.000 I wonder if that's true.

00:30:52.000 It sounds good anyway, as I said.

00:30:53.000 I just feel like there's some pussification going on on a giant scale.

00:30:57.000 It's like this toning down of male energy. 0.99

00:31:00.000 Well, look at fucking every show on NBC. Community, all those guys have never done a push-up. 0.97

00:31:05.000 It's all about being...

00:31:06.000 Well, that's okay, too.

00:31:07.000 I mean, that's not what bothers me.

00:31:09.000 What bothers me when I see, like, suppression...

00:31:13.000 I loved 007, like the James Bond movie, because he still gets laid. 0.97

00:31:19.000 He's a single secret agent out there killing, and he's drinking, and he's a handsome man, and women want to have sex with him. 0.98

00:31:29.000 Let's do this, okay? 0.99

00:31:30.000 I enjoy a full superhero lifestyle movie.

00:31:35.000 I don't want a guy who for whatever reason is not sexually attracted to this chick he's saving. 0.99

00:31:39.000 This guy's a sociopath. 1.00

00:31:41.000 He's a fucking psycho. 1.00

00:31:42.000 He's just out there kicking ass, and he doesn't want to get laid. 1.00

00:31:45.000 You don't want him to be, like, monastic, too, yeah. 0.98

00:31:47.000 Yeah, I mean, in the beginning of the movie, he, like, comes out of the water, and it's, like, it's freezing cold, but he's naked. 0.92

00:31:51.000 He's not even fucking, you know, he's not even freaking out. 0.74

00:31:54.000 He's not even shivering. 0.99

00:31:54.000 He's just so powerful. 0.99

00:31:56.000 Where he's not shriveled up?

00:31:57.000 No, no, no.

00:31:57.000 You couldn't tell.

00:31:58.000 You know, Rom Stoker wrote Dracula in some ways as a reaction to the Victorian – the repressive Victorian age.

00:32:07.000 So when Dracula would come in, he'd be this big handsome guy and a girl was sleeping and he would bite her neck and drink her blood. 0.93

00:32:13.000 It was very – Kind of the idea was she had an orgasm when she was being sucked dry. 0.95

00:32:17.000 It was kind of like a very taboo book when it came out. 0.92

00:32:21.000 It was kind of a rebuttal to how repressively sexual the Victorians were and Bram Stoker wrote sort of that reaction to it.

00:32:30.000 Really?

00:32:31.000 That's interesting.

00:32:32.000 I always thought it was just a fictional movie or a book rather written about vampires.

00:32:37.000 It was an angry kind of reaction.

00:32:38.000 What was the connection between Vlad Tepes Because there was Vlad the Impaler.

00:32:42.000 He was the original Count Dracula.

00:32:45.000 They say that the idea was based on this Hungarian, I think maybe a prince or warlord or whatever. 1.00

00:32:52.000 He was an evil motherfucker. 1.00

00:32:53.000 He was probably a serial killer. 1.00

00:32:55.000 Probably a serial killer who did all kinds of horrible things.

00:32:59.000 He would cook pieces of people and eat it in front of them.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:02.000 He would put people on stakes.

00:33:05.000 That's what they called him, Vlad the Impaler. 1.00

00:33:07.000 He would shove stakes up their ass and then let them slowly writhe in pain. 0.99

00:33:12.000 He would leave them on these big pillars like all through the town. 1.00

00:33:18.000 He was an unbelievably evil guy.

00:33:21.000 All the depictions and images of him are him dining with like all these men on stakes.

00:33:27.000 You hear about these, I think it was Ivan the Terrible in Russia when whoever the artist was that did the Winter Palace, I think it was the Winter Palace, this beautiful, this guy, it was a lifetime of 20 years of his, it's like his opus, this great artist.

00:33:43.000 I mean, if you look at it, I think it's either the Winter Palace or this church, this incredible church in Russia.

00:33:48.000 And when he was done with it, And he presented it to Ivan the Terrible.

00:33:53.000 Ivan the Terrible was like, this is the most incredible thing in the world.

00:33:55.000 Thank you.

00:33:56.000 And then he took his eyes out.

00:33:57.000 So he couldn't do it for anybody else.

00:33:59.000 Oh, dude.

00:34:00.000 That's a good point.

00:34:01.000 You could be a serial killer and just get in the exact right situation where you have a lot of power and just be able to do it.

00:34:11.000 Who was that woman? 1.00

00:34:13.000 Do you remember that woman who's responsible for killing thousands? 0.99

00:34:17.000 She was a noblewoman.

00:34:19.000 And she was a serial killer of young women. 1.00

00:34:22.000 I gotta pull this up on Wikipedia because it's a fucking fascinating story. 1.00

00:34:26.000 It's horrible, man. 0.99

00:34:27.000 This lady... 1.00

00:34:28.000 But they say serial killers.

00:34:29.000 There's a book called The Murder Room and the guy who specializes in sadism and serial killers, he wrote what's called kind of like the double helix of the serial killer's profile.

00:34:37.000 Yeah.

00:34:38.000 And he said that a lot of serial killers will definitely be, I can't remember what the word was, but they become like, they drink your blood.

00:34:46.000 The lowest rung, where you're the full-fledged boogeyman, they eat flesh and drink blood.

00:34:52.000 Elizabeth Bathory. 1.00

00:34:53.000 That's this crazy bitch. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Where was she out of? 1.00

00:34:56.000 Um...

00:34:57.000 And what did she do?

00:34:58.000 She killed thousands of girls. 1.00

00:35:01.000 She was Hungarian. 0.83

00:35:02.000 Yeah, they called her the blood countess. 0.99

00:35:05.000 Apparently she just started killing chicks and really got to love it and so would just torture them and kill them and find pretty girls. 1.00

00:35:13.000 Just torture them and kill them. 0.99

00:35:14.000 I mean she just killed thousands until they finally, they didn't even kill her in the end. 1.00

00:35:20.000 They locked her in a room. 1.00

00:35:23.000 They gave her, like, a house imprisonment.

00:35:25.000 Like, she was such a noble woman.

00:35:27.000 She was a royal figure of some sort. 1.00

00:35:28.000 Yeah, she was so, I mean, crazy fucking shit, man. 1.00

00:35:32.000 I mean, that they didn't even kill her. 1.00

00:35:34.000 She killed thousands of chicks. 1.00

00:35:36.000 They don't even know how many she killed. 1.00

00:35:37.000 She's a sadist. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Oh, unbelievably evil. 0.99

00:35:41.000 They're out there.

00:35:42.000 But, yeah, Elizabeth Bathory, that's the chick's name.

00:35:47.000 A lot of times serial killers like that have a particular taste, like it's got to be a specific kind of person.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, there's something that snaps, allows you to get a thrill off of killing a bunch of people and there's a weird thing that happens to people with this whole royalty thing.

00:36:04.000 The idea of royalty is fascinating.

00:36:07.000 That's been killing me lately, because I don't know how you guys feel about it, but watching Americans get so gaga over the English world.

00:36:12.000 Yes!

00:36:13.000 Yes!

00:36:14.000 It drives me nuts! 1.00

00:36:15.000 It's so stupid! 1.00

00:36:16.000 It's bad enough when the English do it, but when Americans do it? 1.00

00:36:19.000 That's their version of Kim Kardashian. 1.00

00:36:22.000 It's the same fucking thing. 1.00

00:36:25.000 Who are they? 1.00

00:36:26.000 What are they doing?

00:36:27.000 My father met a count or a duke.

00:36:29.000 He was a duke and they were at dinner and somebody said, what are you doing?

00:36:34.000 He said, nothing, nothing at all.

00:36:35.000 Anyway, and he kept going and it was so natural for him.

00:36:40.000 I take a stipend from the English government.

00:36:43.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:36:44.000 I'm a duke.

00:36:44.000 Of course I don't do anything.

00:36:45.000 I'm royalty.

00:36:47.000 And royalty, they get paid.

00:36:48.000 They get paid, yeah.

00:36:49.000 I believe they get so prosperous.

00:36:52.000 You guys met Mo, the shooter on the show.

00:36:57.000 He worked on Ali, and for some reason or another, I don't remember how it came out, but he was presented to...

00:37:03.000 One of the British royalties, like a guy comes in, breaks down.

00:37:07.000 Okay, when he comes in, like, don't do this, don't do that.

00:37:09.000 Put these gloves on.

00:37:11.000 If somebody said that to me, I would be like, no thank you, no thank you.

00:37:16.000 He said you want, you know, in his defense, he's like, every part of you Wants to just say, no way.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 No way.

00:37:25.000 But you're part of this other thing.

00:37:28.000 You're there with people.

00:37:29.000 It's a ritual.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, and you're at work.

00:37:32.000 I could make my statement.

00:37:35.000 I could express my liberty and the fact that I'm not deferential.

00:37:41.000 At the expense of all this other stuff that's going on.

00:37:44.000 In the end, you just do it.

00:37:47.000 It's like covering your head in a synagogue.

00:37:49.000 It's like covering your shoulders if you're a woman in an Italian church. 0.93

00:37:53.000 There's a ritual and a protocol to everything.

00:37:56.000 It's a tradition.

00:37:57.000 But with religion, though, there's something much more deep-seated.

00:38:02.000 But this is just strictly like, I'll honor you because you belong to some lineage.

00:38:07.000 I'm not really quite sure how it came to be.

00:38:09.000 And I'm not sure on the rules and regulations how it gets passed along.

00:38:12.000 But we're picking you to now be the one that we're deferential to.

00:38:15.000 But it's actually a little bit different than that.

00:38:18.000 It's not like take covering your... 1.00

00:38:18.000 It's un-American horse shit. 1.00

00:38:21.000 I was about to say, it's very British. 1.00

00:38:23.000 It's everything that we don't stand for. 1.00

00:38:25.000 We're like, get the fuck out of here with your crown. 0.89

00:38:28.000 But in Britain, they had what's called the Great Chain of Being. 0.95

00:38:31.000 It was very, very central to sort of the British history and character, the notion that the king – the god was there.

00:38:37.000 The king was bottom.

00:38:38.000 Then you had the aristocracy.

00:38:39.000 Then you had the nobility.

00:38:40.000 Then you had the merchant class.

00:38:42.000 Then you had the serfs.

00:38:43.000 Where does Game of Thrones fit in there?

00:38:45.000 Well, you never stepped out of for many years.

00:38:48.000 That's why Britain was – it benefited from the notion that they had very strong institutions.

00:38:53.000 And so when you had a royal person that you came in contact with, it was very important to observe ritual protocol and ritual sort of greeting and interaction because it kept the wall between you and the royalty because the entire society… To the benefit of the royalties.

00:39:12.000 Well, no, but also the whole society was built on not only the idea of this caste system, but also very central to the British character was that to esteem out of your class was actually considered heretical.

00:39:28.000 It was considered to the detriment of the entire community and society, right?

00:39:33.000 Whereas Americans were like... 1.00

00:39:35.000 All I'm thinking about is climbing the fuck out of this hole and getting to the top. 0.67

00:39:39.000 What's interesting, a lot of people believe that a society like ours, or at least how ours initially was born, is only built in response to suppression. 0.95

00:39:50.000 It's like you have to have...

00:39:51.000 A situation like England where they're completely suppressing you to the point where you're willing to take such a great chance but you already have a semblance of idea of order in society which is based on their system of kings.

00:40:03.000 And that's the weirdest thing is it's almost like the only way for us to have ever gotten to a position of power or a position of creating a culture, creating civilization is that somebody had to take control. 0.98

00:40:16.000 And ultimately we are these weird fucking alpha apes.

00:40:21.000 And we really want to be like led by like one person or like one group or one leader or at least have someone at the very top that we can all agree to clap for. 0.97

00:40:32.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:40:33.000 And until we fill that goal, then it becomes this wild fucking power struggle. 0.91

00:40:40.000 It's like the only way we can work together is through one person. 0.97

00:40:44.000 It almost seems like that.

00:40:46.000 What's interesting though is the Founding Fathers had a rebuttal to that and George Washington most famously when they wanted to make him king said, I am not only going to not be the king because we don't have kings in this country.

00:40:55.000 We have presidents.

00:40:56.000 That are part of a structure, a structure that is directly responsible to the people, right?

00:41:03.000 But that was sort of the idea. 0.63

00:41:07.000 And King George, when he found out that Washington had refused the kingship and instead went and fucking retired, was like, that guy's the greatest guy of all. 0.93

00:41:15.000 That's the American character. 0.93

00:41:16.000 That was kind of sealed as – that was the great example George Washington did.

00:41:20.000 He said, don't ever call me king because that is exactly what we fought against.

00:41:25.000 Well, he's the exact opposite of this guy who's running Egypt now, who tried to turn himself into a king.

00:41:31.000 Mohsi.

00:41:32.000 Mohsi.

00:41:33.000 Mohsi. 1.00

00:41:33.000 It's a crazy asshole. 1.00

00:41:35.000 It's so bewildering, man. 1.00

00:41:36.000 It's so funny the way people act when you turn the tide on, man.

00:41:40.000 It's nuts.

00:41:41.000 It's just amazing.

00:41:42.000 He's like, oh, now I understand what Mubarak was fighting for.

00:41:45.000 Yeah.

00:41:46.000 He was fighting for this right here.

00:41:48.000 That's unfortunately a great deal.

00:41:50.000 That's the biggest challenge for the Arab nations is...

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:42:00.000 Look at Maliki in Iraq. 1.00

00:42:01.000 We basically created Saddam Light because Maliki now has his own police force that reports directly to him. 1.00

00:42:09.000 That's why the Sunnis are letting off bombs. 1.00

00:42:12.000 There's still – whether or not he can share power is a whole different story.

00:42:16.000 You know, I get it.

00:42:18.000 Watching the Arab Spring stuff, I mean, I was always skeptical of it.

00:42:21.000 In one way, it was almost kind of embarrassing just understanding the history of some of those areas, the way Americans would so quickly forget our allegiances.

00:42:31.000 And so, you know, we're going against Gaddafi, and everybody's like...

00:42:34.000 Yeah, you know, the number one U.S. enemy, Qaddafi.

00:42:37.000 Like, forgetting that we were doing all kinds of things through there, you know, and in some ways supporting Mubarak, in some ways, you know, later...

00:42:44.000 Not in some ways.

00:42:45.000 We supported Mubarak for 30 years.

00:42:47.000 We gave over $3 billion in aid every year.

00:42:51.000 I mean...

00:42:52.000 $3 billion every year?

00:42:53.000 Yes.

00:42:54.000 Every year?

00:42:55.000 But then...

00:42:55.000 Yes!

00:42:56.000 But so quickly people wanted to make the jump that he was this logical enemy.

00:43:02.000 And that was frustrating a little bit, but the main thing is, when I was watching all that, I wanted to be optimistic, but I just feel like there's no way that this is just going to be smooth transitions.

00:43:10.000 And there's this competing idea, like, when you're an American, there's this...

00:43:14.000 Like, this competing idea we have between being pragmatic, you know, like we want these countries to be such and such way in order to secure our interests, but also we have this thing where it's like the only legitimate form of government is a democracy.

00:43:25.000 And as we're going to find again and again, I'm definitely not like a, you know, definitely not an expert on world politics, but I think we're going to find again and again that other countries being democracies isn't always going to serve our own national security interests, you know?

00:43:39.000 I think that we want to think that it's like, that it's dovetailed and it's not going to be that way, man.

00:43:43.000 Like maybe they're better off having kings.

00:43:46.000 You just gotta go listen.

00:43:47.000 You want a benevolent king.

00:43:49.000 If you're thinking about the actual people on the ground in those countries, it's like, yeah, I want to support democracy.

00:43:53.000 But then someone like, you know, like Morse gets elected and you're like, that's not what democracy is.

00:43:58.000 Democracy is voting for the guys I like.

00:44:00.000 It just depends on how you define it because one of the things, Rory Parker, I believe his name is a British MP, part of the parliament, and he's walked every remote village in Afghanistan, every remote village in Africa, and he said he'd never been anywhere, even the most remote village in Afghanistan,

00:44:16.000 he'd never met anybody, anybody no matter how strong their tribal notions were, he never met anybody who didn't want some say and who governed them.

00:44:26.000 So that seems to be a human need and a human right and a human compulsion to have some say in who fucking...

00:44:36.000 Otherwise you get a guy like Ivan the Terrible who just amasses power. 0.66

00:44:39.000 We all have a natural revulsion for that.

00:44:43.000 We all have a natural kind of...

00:44:45.000 I do think you're right that human beings need an alpha, a leader, and they always find a leader, but I also think at the same time they want some say in that process and in the ongoing process, that is, who governs them. 0.99

00:44:58.000 It really feels like we talk about with kids, if you try to take a spoon out of their hand without explaining that you need the spoon, they'll hold on to that fucking spoon. 0.78

00:45:07.000 Human beings seem to have a resistance, a natural resistance to those that would have power over them. 0.97

00:45:15.000 No, I don't know exactly what you're saying.

00:45:16.000 If you think you're going to be the president and everything's going to be smooth sailing, you know how many haters you must have at the moment?

00:45:22.000 I think that's probably half the gray. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Half the gray is realizing how many fucking people hate you. 1.00

00:45:27.000 Those guys age badly. 1.00

00:45:29.000 It can't just be the stress.

00:45:31.000 You make one choice, you're going to make 50% of the people happy and 50% of the other people unhappy.

00:45:35.000 Yeah, that's the funny thing.

00:45:36.000 The way they got it carved down.

00:45:37.000 It's not even 51%.

00:45:38.000 It's like they got it carved down to 50.1%.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, they're going to write books about you.

00:45:44.000 They're going to write books about you.

00:45:47.000 They're going to make up lies about you.

00:45:49.000 They're going to constantly...

00:45:51.000 Every person on the opposite side of the fence, whether it be Democrat on your side, Republican...

00:45:56.000 Whoever's on the other team, they're going after you.

00:45:59.000 No one ever does it, and then no one ever does it for four years.

00:46:04.000 Maybe they have.

00:46:04.000 Has anyone ever done it for four years and just said, you know what, it wasn't for me?

00:46:07.000 No, no.

00:46:08.000 Did not enjoy it.

00:46:08.000 No.

00:46:09.000 It's like something, and he's like, as much as I hate this, I'm going to keep doing this.

00:46:12.000 Well, I also think that whoever got you into that position of power, you owe them.

00:46:16.000 There's an obligation.

00:46:18.000 I always think about what George Bush said about Hurricane Katrina.

00:46:21.000 They were like, you didn't go down to New Orleans for five days or whatever.

00:46:25.000 And then he said, well, here's the problem with me going down to New Orleans during that crisis.

00:46:29.000 If I go down to New Orleans, I've got to take 60 police cars and the resources of the city to protect me and to escort me to the damaged sites.

00:46:39.000 It costs a million dollars an hour or whatever.

00:46:41.000 And you tie up a helicopter to have you do sightseeing.

00:46:44.000 You tie up all the stuff that should be given to the people on the ground at that time.

00:46:50.000 And he said that was the Caps-22.

00:46:52.000 I was going to get criticized if I land Air Force One the day before.

00:46:56.000 And that's one of the examples of being a president.

00:47:01.000 I think the idea that you have to physically be in an area in order to observe or to respect the fact that a tragic incident has took place is observed.

00:47:09.000 It's pageantry, man.

00:47:11.000 It's like you're playing a psychological game.

00:47:13.000 I would almost hand it to someone if you could make that point, but people are so addicted to the pageantry of it.

00:47:20.000 They'd be like, oh yeah, in order for us to recover from this, I need to fly around in a helicopter and And have a governor show me that it's flooded.

00:47:27.000 Because other than that, I'm not going to believe it.

00:47:29.000 Yeah.

00:47:30.000 And be like, oh, you're right, it is flooded.

00:47:31.000 How come he didn't come to visit us?

00:47:33.000 How come he didn't come to visit us?

00:47:36.000 Pageantry is a great word, by the way.

00:47:37.000 I love the joke that Jeff Ross got up and did this charity after Hurricane Katrina.

00:47:44.000 And he goes, I went down there.

00:47:46.000 It's not that bad.

00:47:48.000 Oh, no. 0.98

00:47:51.000 But the way he said it was just like, you know, it was so ridiculous. 0.95

00:47:54.000 Like, that was his joke. 0.95

00:47:55.000 He goes, I'll see what the big deal is.

00:47:58.000 Whoops.

00:47:59.000 Yeah.

00:47:59.000 No, he was kidding.

00:48:01.000 There's going to be a higher incidence of those fucking gigantic 100-year storms. 0.99

00:48:06.000 Look in New York! 0.99

00:48:06.000 It is going to be. 0.99

00:48:07.000 There already is, man.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, it's going to be even higher.

00:48:10.000 Do you guys remember we were together and I was supposed to go to Texas and I flew home?

00:48:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:13.000 I flew home for that thing?

00:48:14.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.000 That was Sandy? 1.00

00:48:17.000 No, yeah, Sandy.

00:48:18.000 Did you guys get hit?

00:48:19.000 Yeah, I went home to be with my family and I was there.

00:48:24.000 And if you were in my place and you didn't have the news or anything, You would have just said, man, it was a little windy last night.

00:48:33.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:48:34.000 And like a mile away, or not even a mile away, a half mile away, cars are like floating down the streets and stuff.

00:48:38.000 But it was so crazy.

00:48:40.000 Just a small area.

00:48:42.000 Well, no, just like, because it was so much the storm surge.

00:48:45.000 Right.

00:48:46.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:48:46.000 Like, if you got above certain elevation, you know?

00:48:50.000 You were fine.

00:48:50.000 It was just, you would never have ever have known.

00:48:53.000 It was like there was a few more leaves on the sidewalk.

00:48:55.000 But then just some short distance down, like you drop to a certain elevation point, absolute mayhem, man.

00:49:00.000 Yeah, because that area had been underwater, I believe, before anyway.

00:49:04.000 Really?

00:49:05.000 Yeah, so the sea level kind of went back to, that's what happened in parts of Jersey.

00:49:08.000 The sea level just went back to what it was.

00:49:10.000 Yeah.

00:49:12.000 It was the weirdest thing.

00:49:14.000 It wasn't like blowing and lightning and all.

00:49:19.000 It was just like the ocean kind of went, I'll take that.

00:49:21.000 They said parts of Jersey and those areas will never be the same.

00:49:24.000 They may never come back.

00:49:26.000 Yeah, there was areas that just got so wiped over.

00:49:29.000 To build something out there, like the odds that that would stay there and the odds of the water is not going to hit that spot again.

00:49:35.000 I was watching some of that footage of the tidal waves in Japan and how they roll through, and it looks like just water, and you think, well, it's just water.

00:49:44.000 They take everything, like cars and boats.

00:49:47.000 You're in your car.

00:49:49.000 That footage from that haunted me for the longest time.

00:49:53.000 Horrifying.

00:49:54.000 People trying to get away from that.

00:49:55.000 And that, in a historical perspective...

00:49:58.000 Compared to some of the events that we know have happened, like giant tidal waves.

00:50:03.000 They know about that Canary Islands shelf.

00:50:06.000 Apparently there's like a shelf in Africa, this gigantic volcanic shelf. 0.98

00:50:10.000 And when it breaks off, the fucking water comes at us and it could go deep in on the East Coast many miles. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Damn! 1.00

00:50:18.000 Many miles. 1.00

00:50:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:20.000 Because you're talking about like essentially a mountain falling into the ocean.

00:50:26.000 And causing this incredible blast of energy which carries this water, this huge tidal wave that starts in the middle of fucking, you know, wherever that is, the Canary Islands, and goes 500 miles an hour across the ocean and then slams into America. 0.53

00:50:44.000 500 miles an hour! 0.92

00:50:45.000 Dude!

00:50:46.000 You can imagine, I mean, some of the catastrophes, but there were so few people there.

00:50:50.000 I mean, you must have just lost civilization.

00:50:53.000 Well, whatever.

00:50:54.000 Sounds good to me.

00:50:55.000 I think I made it up.

00:50:56.000 But whatever it is, it's going to, yeah.

00:50:58.000 I mean, look, they found many, many, especially near Spain, many, many sunken civilizations.

00:51:02.000 They found the one that they're calling Atlantis, you know, whether or not Atlantis is actually a physical place, but it's got concentric circles, just like they believe Atlantis did.

00:51:10.000 Oh, really?

00:51:10.000 I thought Atlantis was, like, maybe inspired by...

00:51:12.000 No, not Krakatoa, because that was in the recorded history.

00:51:15.000 What is that?

00:51:15.000 Yeah, that was the 1800s.

00:51:17.000 The loudest explorers I've never heard on earth is Krakatoa.

00:51:19.000 Look at Pompeii, right?

00:51:19.000 The pyroplastic blast that just...

00:51:21.000 Yeah.

00:51:22.000 I don't think there's a general consensus.

00:51:25.000 I don't think they've reached that conclusion whether or not Atlantis was an actual place.

00:51:28.000 What exactly was Atlantis?

00:51:29.000 Yeah, whether or not it was...

00:51:30.000 I was surprised to hear that.

00:51:31.000 I didn't ever know this was at Troy.

00:51:32.000 Yeah, it was real.

00:51:33.000 That's a fascinating story.

00:51:34.000 There's guys like, what was Troy?

00:51:36.000 What is Troy?

00:51:37.000 Well, Troy was about to be a myth.

00:51:40.000 The guy who made a bunch of money in the California Gold Rush or something went and started mapping out what Troy was.

00:51:45.000 It was a German guy.

00:51:45.000 I can't remember his name.

00:51:46.000 So is it like under contention whether or not that's actually Troy?

00:51:50.000 Yeah, there's this guy that...

00:51:51.000 And I don't know where it's at now.

00:51:53.000 I just remember in college we talked about this and read this thing about this guy.

00:51:55.000 This guy, a German, had made a bunch of money in the California gold rush and then went... 0.91

00:52:01.000 You'll be able to find it on your little computer there.

00:52:03.000 And went and spent a bunch of time trying to locate Troy.

00:52:05.000 And they don't think that it was over Helen, but it was like a trade war.

00:52:08.000 And there's some mention of, like...

00:52:12.000 Some of the integral characters, like not Odysseus, but some of the Agamemnon or some of the higher-up kings, there's some historical allusion to who these characters might have been that got involved in that war.

00:52:24.000 But it wasn't like the face that launched a thousand ships.

00:52:26.000 I think it might have been a trade dispute.

00:52:28.000 But I'm telling you some dated stuff, man, because I was in college in the mid-90s, mid to late 90s, so that was what I knew then.

00:52:34.000 But you'll find that guy's name.

00:52:36.000 So the idea was that this guy, he believed that it wasn't fiction.

00:52:41.000 He believed that it was fiction.

00:52:42.000 He had devoted the latter part of his life to identifying what Troy would have been.

00:52:48.000 And he had a somewhat accepted...

00:52:53.000 When I learned about this, he had come to a somewhat accepted...

00:52:58.000 Conclusion about what Troy was, maybe some of the principal characters were involved, where in fact, like some of the people that are discussed in the Odyssey or in the Iliad were in fact living people at that time, and they were engaged in a large, and there was a large battle and a siege of a city,

00:53:16.000 and out of that was born that legend of the siege of Troy and the story of the Iliad.

00:53:22.000 You know what's really fascinating about like ancient Rome and ancient Greece and these incredible structures that they built?

00:53:27.000 It's that they just all fell apart.

00:53:31.000 Like nothing's going on there now.

00:53:33.000 I mean I guess the people are living, they're having a good time living their life but no one – I mean Greece is almost bankrupt, right? 0.99

00:53:38.000 Aren't they completely fucked? 1.00

00:53:40.000 They're fucked. 1.00

00:53:41.000 And Rome, I mean Italy is – they're just kind of hanging out in Europe. 1.00

00:53:45.000 But if you stop and think about what the insane society they had at one point in time where no one anywhere else in the world had anything comparable.

00:53:54.000 It is amazing.

00:53:55.000 People have written books and certainly articles about how Greece has never – hasn't produced a whole lot of artistic expression that's world-class artistic expression for 3,500 years or whatever,

00:54:12.000 for a long time.

00:54:15.000 Mainly because, you know, some rare examples, but mainly because they have that legacy looming over them.

00:54:22.000 If you go to Athens, the Acropolis is right there looking over the city.

00:54:26.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:54:27.000 It kind of humbles you a little bit.

00:54:28.000 It humbles you.

00:54:29.000 The idea of why would I do anything when I come from, when it's already been done, sort of, the idea is look at us now.

00:54:35.000 And I don't know if it's true.

00:54:37.000 I'm going to start filling my bookshelves at home with really shitty books. 0.82

00:54:40.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:54:41.000 I can beat that!

00:54:42.000 I can beat that!

00:54:44.000 You ever read any Faulkner?

00:54:45.000 I was trying to write a screenplay and I read Faulkner and I was like... 0.96

00:54:48.000 What the fuck do I have to say about anything? 0.98

00:54:52.000 The great genius. 0.98

00:54:53.000 I'm reading his imagery and stuff, and I was like, first of all, I don't even know.

00:54:57.000 It's the craziest.

00:54:58.000 He was such a crazy, unbelievable writer, like on every level. 0.73

00:55:02.000 He either beats you or beat you down or motivate you.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, but I was like, but what do I have to add to the canon of literature?

00:55:09.000 Zero. 0.97

00:55:09.000 Hey, bro, you're going to write a fucking screenplay about, you know, but you got to keep doing it. 0.97

00:55:15.000 You can't think like that. 1.00

00:55:16.000 Mm-mm.

00:55:17.000 You've got to be inspired.

00:55:18.000 You cannot think like that.

00:55:19.000 You have to be inspired.

00:55:20.000 That can be very self-defeating.

00:55:21.000 Of course.

00:55:21.000 But people do think like that.

00:55:23.000 They fuck themselves. 1.00

00:55:24.000 It's a trick. 1.00

00:55:24.000 You've got to just go – if you do the work, you have something to say, right? 1.00

00:55:28.000 I mean your experience.

00:55:29.000 Someone said to me, he goes, well, listen, I'll never be well off. 0.99

00:55:32.000 I go, what the fuck are you saying? 1.00

00:55:34.000 Terrible. 1.00

00:55:34.000 How can you even say that? 1.00

00:55:35.000 How can those words even come out of your mouth?

00:55:37.000 I'll never be well off.

00:55:38.000 That's it.

00:55:38.000 You tap.

00:55:39.000 You're done.

00:55:40.000 You're just going to like coast from here.

00:55:42.000 Because they've allowed other people to define them.

00:55:45.000 A lot of times that's how you define yourself and you hold on to that definition.

00:55:48.000 Those lines become very strong because trying to step over them is too scary.

00:55:53.000 You've been disappointed too many times and you've given up.

00:55:56.000 It's all a false belief system.

00:55:58.000 Yeah, and it's how much energy do you have?

00:56:01.000 Do you have enough energy to really pursue things the correct way?

00:56:03.000 Yeah, but energy – I transfer energy to being something called inspiration.

00:56:07.000 You have no energy unless somebody provides you with a blueprint or the inspiration to do so, right?

00:56:15.000 One of the things they say is that if you can – a lot of times you can motivate yourself by defining what you're going to lose as opposed to what you're going to gain.

00:56:26.000 We're really good at dealing with things like, oh, I didn't get that, and then we just...

00:56:29.000 But they say that psychologists sometimes will tell you, if you don't do this thing that you want to do, what do you actually lose?

00:56:36.000 What are you not going to get?

00:56:38.000 What are you going to lose that you already have?

00:56:40.000 And when you start framing somebody's motivational incentives that way, they will tend to work a lot harder.

00:56:50.000 I think about that all the time, man.

00:56:52.000 I'm always motivated by...

00:56:55.000 What you're going to lose as opposed to what you're going to get.

00:56:56.000 Oh, absolutely, man.

00:56:57.000 Because I always feel like I've carved out an existence that's way better than I would imagine I would have carved out.

00:57:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:07.000 So it's like I'm not motivated by what I didn't get.

00:57:09.000 I'm always motivated in a way by what I did get.

00:57:12.000 So you're more like, I can't lose this now.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, I want to do something.

00:57:16.000 I want to be able to spend much time outside.

00:57:18.000 I want to be able to hunt a lot.

00:57:19.000 And then now, I don't feel like I got gypped.

00:57:21.000 I'm like, man, I got to hang on to...

00:57:23.000 I got a sweet situation to hang on to.

00:57:25.000 It's interesting you say that, though.

00:57:26.000 But it's as scary as anything.

00:57:27.000 It's as scary as striving towards something, but...

00:57:30.000 Well, I just realized that I went and bought some mats and I've been rolling with my buddy in my garage.

00:57:34.000 And I was like, why am I doing this?

00:57:36.000 He goes, what do you want to do?

00:57:37.000 Because you don't want to lose your fitness.

00:57:38.000 Well, I don't want to gain my black belt. 1.00

00:57:39.000 Shut up, bitch. 1.00

00:57:41.000 You do. 1.00

00:57:41.000 No, but I don't want to lose. 1.00

00:57:42.000 I don't want to feel like I lose my manhood.

00:57:45.000 And I think that's what I'm kind of working to hold on to.

00:57:48.000 Through age.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, I think maybe I'm holding on to something.

00:57:51.000 I'm trying to...

00:57:52.000 When I roll in my garage for an hour like I did the other day, I think I'm trying not to lose something as opposed to gaining something maybe.

00:57:59.000 I don't know.

00:57:59.000 Maybe I'm kind of playing.

00:58:01.000 No, man. 0.96

00:58:02.000 I'm glad I came just for that little bit of insight about how to be a loser. 0.97

00:58:07.000 How to have a loser's mentality.

00:58:08.000 To be motivated by the prospect of loss rather than motivated by what you might gain.

00:58:15.000 That's right. 0.99

00:58:16.000 Just fucking man up and do the work. 1.00

00:58:17.000 Shut your bullshit mouth. 1.00

00:58:19.000 You're talking nonsense. 1.00

00:58:21.000 Just fucking do it. 0.99

00:58:22.000 If you want to get better at wrestling or jiu-jitsu, do it because it's fun. 0.99

00:58:25.000 Stop with all this nonsense. 1.00

00:58:26.000 You're flooding your own brain with horse shit. 1.00

00:58:29.000 Am I doing this because I'm afraid to lose? 1.00

00:58:32.000 Are you going to write poetry now?

00:58:33.000 Yes. 1.00

00:58:34.000 Are you going to bring me flowers, bitch? 1.00

00:58:35.000 Not until you start. 1.00

00:58:36.000 Now you squash my poetic spirit. 0.84

00:58:38.000 You're just talking nonsense. 0.97

00:58:39.000 I had to call you out on that nonsense. 1.00

00:58:41.000 That shit's nonsense. 1.00

00:58:43.000 I was about to break into a song. 1.00

00:58:44.000 Thanks a lot.

00:58:45.000 You're talking nonsense.

00:58:46.000 Why am I rolling? 1.00

00:58:48.000 Because it's fun, stupid. 1.00

00:58:49.000 You're a monkey. 1.00

00:58:50.000 Monkeys like to choke each other. 1.00

00:58:51.000 It's awesome times. 0.75

00:58:53.000 Whatever.

00:58:53.000 Why am I doing it?

00:58:55.000 Come on, man. 1.00

00:58:55.000 You can waste your fucking energy. 1.00

00:58:58.000 Why? 1.00

00:58:59.000 Why pursue these things I enjoy? 1.00

00:59:01.000 Just fucking pursue the things you enjoy. 1.00

00:59:03.000 That's why you got to get rid of that fucking Prius. 1.00

00:59:05.000 Hey, man! 1.00

00:59:06.000 I know you don't want to drive that car.

00:59:08.000 I'm sensible.

00:59:09.000 I'm trying to talk him into a Shelby Mustang.

00:59:12.000 I'm telling him that he has to understand this stage of life that we're in.

00:59:16.000 The cars that are available to you right now are like little rides.

00:59:20.000 Give me three cars.

00:59:21.000 Give me three cars to get and make them kind of practical. 1.00

00:59:23.000 Shut your fucking practical whore mouth. 1.00

00:59:26.000 This is what you need. 1.00

00:59:27.000 You need a Shelby Mustang.

00:59:29.000 The new one.

00:59:31.000 Do you like to be able to ride your engine when you're stuck in traffic or something like that?

00:59:35.000 Oh, you want to hear it.

00:59:36.000 You want to be able to hear it.

00:59:37.000 You want to be able to hear the rumble under this...

00:59:39.000 It'll bring you back to your childhood.

00:59:41.000 It will give you bursts of endorphins as you drive.

00:59:45.000 It'll make you feel better.

00:59:46.000 You never had one.

00:59:47.000 That's why, because you never had one.

00:59:49.000 You don't even trust me.

00:59:50.000 And you might sit around thinking, like, do I love this car because I'm afraid of losing something?

00:59:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:53.000 See, that's what you think.

00:59:55.000 That's an old one.

00:59:56.000 Oh, that's a nice car.

00:59:57.000 That's a 69. That's actually a cool car.

00:59:58.000 Is that your car?

00:59:59.000 No, no, no, no.

01:00:00.000 I have one of the modern ones.

01:00:02.000 I have a...

01:00:02.000 Show me the modern one.

01:00:03.000 The Shelby GT500. There's a new one that's coming out now that has 662 horsepower.

01:00:12.000 What the fuck am I going to do with that thing? 0.99

01:00:13.000 Oh, you're going to enjoy the fuck out of it? 1.00

01:00:15.000 That's what you're going to do. 0.98

01:00:16.000 That's a lot, man.

01:00:17.000 Because I think about horsepower in terms of boats.

01:00:20.000 And when you have a 606, that's a lot of horrors. 1.00

01:00:23.000 Preposterous car for a human being to drive.

01:00:25.000 Absolutely preposterous.

01:00:26.000 So I'm definitely not getting that, but give me something else to get.

01:00:27.000 But you should get that. 0.97

01:00:29.000 Just to fucking, for once in your life, just have something like that. 0.99

01:00:33.000 Understand what the fuck is going on. 0.99

01:00:35.000 I'm trying to tell you about something awesome, and you're like, oh, I don't want to be awesome. 1.00

01:00:38.000 I know what you like, stupid. 1.00

01:00:40.000 You just have never done this one thing. 1.00

01:00:41.000 Am I resisting?

01:00:42.000 Am I resisting?

01:00:42.000 It's your motivation and your car have to do it.

01:00:45.000 Stop tapping into my 12-year-old psyche.

01:00:48.000 Me and him.

01:00:49.000 You just don't want to be as consumptive?

01:00:51.000 No, I just know what Joe's doing.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, I'm just lazy, but I know what Joe's doing.

01:00:55.000 Joe's just tapping into my...

01:00:57.000 He's like, come on, dude.

01:00:58.000 I'm trying to excite his inner monkey. 1.00

01:00:59.000 Get the fucking... 1.00

01:01:00.000 Get that dog. 1.00

01:01:01.000 Get the one that's going to bite somebody.

01:01:03.000 He's like, no, go heavier.

01:01:05.000 More, more.

01:01:06.000 And I'm like this.

01:01:06.000 I'm like, no, I'm a naturally moderate person.

01:01:08.000 Stop it.

01:01:09.000 He's always behind me going, come on, pushy, push, push.

01:01:13.000 He's my canary in the coal mine.

01:01:15.000 We've had fun for years.

01:01:16.000 The greatest.

01:01:17.000 We've had a good time, my friend.

01:01:18.000 But I do always end up coming around.

01:01:20.000 You know what I wanted to tell you about?

01:01:22.000 I heard yesterday, you know that show Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me?

01:01:25.000 Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

01:01:26.000 It's on NPR. I don't want to tell you.

01:01:28.000 It's like a quick show.

01:01:29.000 But I had to think about the news.

01:01:30.000 I want to tell you this because I apparently...

01:01:32.000 I might have got this wrong, but I don't think I did.

01:01:34.000 Last week they were talking about two weird 911 calls that came in.

01:01:37.000 And a guy called 911 because his hamster had babies.

01:01:41.000 Oh my god.

01:01:43.000 Apparently some guy last week called 911 because he saw a Bigfoot.

01:01:47.000 Oh my God.

01:01:49.000 Well, who would you call if you saw Bigfoot?

01:01:51.000 I think that would be the correct move.

01:01:52.000 If you really did.

01:01:53.000 Now, let's say.

01:01:54.000 Now, I know you don't believe in Bigfoot.

01:01:56.000 I've talked to him.

01:01:57.000 You've talked to Bigfoot?

01:01:58.000 No, I like your theory.

01:01:59.000 I like your theory about why Bigfoot can't exist.

01:02:02.000 Because he has no hair on top of his feet and his hands, right?

01:02:06.000 That's someone else.

01:02:08.000 Mine is just that he can't exist because there would be dead ones laying around now and then.

01:02:13.000 Like every other thing that's buried here.

01:02:14.000 How many times have you ever seen a dead mountain lion?

01:02:16.000 Have you seen him?

01:02:17.000 Like just a carcass?

01:02:19.000 No, I mean, not ones you shot.

01:02:20.000 I mean, have you ever run across one that you found that had just died of natural causes?

01:02:25.000 I'd like to lie to you and say that I have found lions that died of natural causes, but I have not found lions that died of natural causes.

01:02:30.000 But!

01:02:33.000 I've seen them in the wild three times.

01:02:34.000 Right, three times.

01:02:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't have any chips in the Sasquatch camp, but Jane Goodall says that she believes that it exists, and that's fascinating to me.

01:02:45.000 She thinks there's an ape species we haven't found.

01:02:48.000 Well, she thinks it's a Gigantopithecus.

01:02:49.000 What more do we know about those ones in the Congo that are like...

01:02:52.000 It's a totally different animal.

01:02:54.000 The chimps?

01:02:54.000 Yeah, what Jane Goodall believes, I'm pretty sure, is that it's a Gigantopithecus, which was a real animal.

01:03:01.000 It existed in Asia.

01:03:03.000 The most recent example of it was 100,000 years ago.

01:03:06.000 So the idea is that we think it's distinct but it might not have been because we know it coexisted with people.

01:03:11.000 Really?

01:03:12.000 It wasn't discovered I think until the 1920s.

01:03:14.000 I think it was discovered somewhere early in the 1900s. 0.99

01:03:18.000 There was a guy who came into an apothecary shop where they would sell like fucking home remedies and shit, ground goat dick and stuff like that. 0.99

01:03:26.000 Chinese places are really into that and they had this giant primate tooth. 1.00

01:03:30.000 And this guy examined it and he said, what the fuck is this? 0.89

01:03:33.000 Well, it turned out it was a totally different species that nobody ever heard of. 0.99

01:03:36.000 It's an eight-foot bipedal primate that buried its young.

01:03:41.000 Or buried its dead, rather.

01:03:43.000 Yeah, they believe they stack their dead.

01:03:45.000 So the idea that this thing existed alongside human beings, and it really did.

01:03:50.000 I love how they can take a piece of bone and construct an entire serial killer.

01:03:56.000 But the hard part is they often can't, though.

01:03:58.000 I mean, you can tell a lot.

01:03:59.000 And I don't criticize people.

01:04:01.000 A lot of people get off on looking at mistakes.

01:04:05.000 You know, that scientists have made, like, oh, they thought this, and now they're telling us this.

01:04:08.000 It's like, they're trying to put together a cohesive narrative.

01:04:11.000 And the scientific process is always inviting people to add on and make corrections.

01:04:17.000 But some people are fixed on this idea that if you can't get everything exactly right the first time, you have no business even dabbling in it.

01:04:22.000 Right.

01:04:23.000 So I'm not, like, when people have made mistakes in talking about, like, lineages, I'm not down on them.

01:04:28.000 I don't like glorifying the mistakes to point out that it's all futile and, you know, it's all BS. Right.

01:04:34.000 But they make mistakes.

01:04:36.000 Mistakes are made.

01:04:37.000 Sure.

01:04:37.000 And I think you've got to continue chipping away at it.

01:04:39.000 Can you try to add to it?

01:04:40.000 But the Bigfoot thing, of all of our, you know, the species that we have, the endangered species that we have, and I'm talking about in North America, the ones that we knew we had and they went away, went away.

01:04:53.000 And some of the ones that we knew were hanging on, we still have a big problem with mortality on those things, and we find them.

01:04:58.000 You have, like, very few Florida panthers.

01:05:00.000 Every year they're getting hit on the highway.

01:05:02.000 Thank God. 1.00

01:05:03.000 Kill those creepy fucks. 1.00

01:05:05.000 Hey. 1.00

01:05:05.000 Dog-eating assholes. 1.00

01:05:06.000 No. 1.00

01:05:07.000 Dog-eating assholes. 1.00

01:05:09.000 I love Panthers. 1.00

01:05:09.000 How would you not like Panthers? 1.00

01:05:10.000 One ate my dog.

01:05:12.000 Whatever.

01:05:13.000 You got the dog to the lion here?

01:05:14.000 Yeah, but they're awesome. 0.98

01:05:16.000 Yeah, they're beautiful, but they're killers. 1.00

01:05:18.000 They're fucking killers. 1.00

01:05:19.000 They shouldn't be in America. 1.00

01:05:21.000 So are humans. 1.00

01:05:21.000 I'm not tolerating that shit. 1.00

01:05:24.000 The only reason I'm not saying is that no, you don't believe that. 1.00

01:05:27.000 Anything that can kill me, you can go fuck yourself. 1.00

01:05:29.000 If it might eat you one day, did you ever see that video of the woman in Russia where she's in a town in Russia and a polar bear has made its way into the town and is attacking her? 1.00

01:05:38.000 Everyone's screaming and throwing shit at the bear. 0.98

01:05:41.000 Have you ever seen that, Jamie? 0.98

01:05:42.000 No, dude.

01:05:43.000 Pull that up.

01:05:44.000 Yeah, a woman attacked by a polar bear in Russia.

01:05:48.000 It's terrifying.

01:05:50.000 The bear is just picking her up.

01:05:51.000 It's legit.

01:05:52.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:05:53.000 And she got away.

01:05:54.000 It looks like he threw a tire iron at the bear and it clunked the bear and the bear just freaked out and ran away.

01:06:01.000 She had her pants down. 1.00

01:06:03.000 And she's pulling her pants up and trying to get away. 1.00

01:06:05.000 The bear just launched her. 0.92

01:06:06.000 Who's the guy that films this book, man?

01:06:08.000 Why wasn't he over there trying to help her out?

01:06:09.000 They were all yelling.

01:06:10.000 They were in apartment buildings.

01:06:11.000 They were terrified.

01:06:11.000 I don't get these people who are always filming everything instead of getting in there.

01:06:14.000 Well, that's when you need a high-powered rifle.

01:06:15.000 Because they don't want to get eaten.

01:06:16.000 If they don't have guns.

01:06:18.000 If I see a polar bear, I'm running away, guys.

01:06:22.000 I love you all about it.

01:06:23.000 If Ryan all of a sudden went insane and he starts gouging you with these, I would never be like, I'm going to make a movie of this.

01:06:30.000 Yeah, but Brian's not a polar bear.

01:06:32.000 It's really flattering on his behalf to compare him to a polar bear.

01:06:36.000 There's a big difference between Brian trying to eat people.

01:06:40.000 This is the woman.

01:06:41.000 Do you see the middle of it?

01:06:43.000 See that lady right there? 1.00

01:06:43.000 It's like near that fence. 1.00

01:06:45.000 Watch this. 1.00

01:06:46.000 This is really fucked up, man. 1.00

01:06:47.000 She's ducking right now. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Here comes a bear. 1.00

01:06:51.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

01:06:53.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:06:54.000 That is a fucking polar bear, man. 1.00

01:06:56.000 And so, here's some guy throws something and hits him. 1.00

01:06:59.000 That's a young polar bear.

01:07:00.000 Yup.

01:07:01.000 But it's big enough, dude. 1.00

01:07:02.000 Then they're little babies that will fuck you up. 1.00

01:07:04.000 That chick got jacked. 1.00

01:07:05.000 And look at her. 1.00

01:07:05.000 She's getting up and her pants are all fucked up. 1.00

01:07:09.000 Girl, run, girl, run. 1.00

01:07:11.000 She's... 1.00

01:07:12.000 I think she's really hurt. 0.99

01:07:14.000 That's a scary-ass animal, man. 0.96

01:07:16.000 Dude, that thing just took a couple nips out of it. 1.00

01:07:18.000 In a village.

01:07:18.000 It just came into a village, you know?

01:07:21.000 Yeah, they don't fuck around. 1.00

01:07:22.000 They eat everything that moves. 1.00

01:07:24.000 Polar bears are way scarier, right?

01:07:26.000 That's what they're worried about, that hybrid. 1.00

01:07:28.000 The hybrid between the polars.

01:07:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:29.000 They'll keep turning up.

01:07:30.000 I know a guy shot one now.

01:07:32.000 Really?

01:07:33.000 There's a lot of them now, huh?

01:07:34.000 I don't know if there's a lot more.

01:07:36.000 I think they know about them now.

01:07:37.000 Okay, Steve.

01:07:38.000 But they're not viable.

01:07:39.000 They're not sexually viable.

01:07:40.000 Right.

01:07:41.000 So this is a global warming thing?

01:07:42.000 Is that what's going on?

01:07:43.000 I know that the theory I'm familiar with is people suggest that it might begin to happen more as the polar ice cap recedes and polar bears aren't able to spend as much time out on the sea ice that they'll be coming inland more.

01:08:01.000 So I think there's been, my understanding again, there's been an increase in the distance inland that people have been encountering some bears and it's greater likelihood of bringing polar bears into what would be traditionally like Interior grizzly habitat.

01:08:15.000 And so some hybrids have turned up. 0.99

01:08:17.000 But I don't know.

01:08:20.000 They're not viable.

01:08:21.000 And I don't know if anyone knows in a bulletproof way that this wasn't happening before and it's happening now.

01:08:26.000 But I think just in a logical sense, if there's not going to be the availability of sea ice, bears are going to spend, obviously, more time on ground, which is going to bring them into when grizzly bears are out of hibernation.

01:08:40.000 In the spring is going to bring them into more contact.

01:08:43.000 So, I mean, that's what people say.

01:08:44.000 But a guy, you know, there was a guy not long ago, just a couple years ago, shot one and it was legit. 0.99

01:08:49.000 You know, he knew it was weird when he shot it and took it in.

01:08:52.000 He was a native guy.

01:08:54.000 He shot and it was checked out and that's what it was.

01:08:57.000 Here's what I want to know.

01:08:58.000 When we go hunting in Alaska, are we going anywhere where there are hybrid bears?

01:09:03.000 Because I will come with an arsenal, my friend.

01:09:05.000 I don't know that you can really make the case that hybrid bears...

01:09:09.000 I don't know that there's a case we made that hybrid bears are more dangerous than non-hybrid bears.

01:09:12.000 Well, guess what?

01:09:13.000 Since you can't make the case, I'm going to air on the side of the car. 0.99

01:09:15.000 Well, how about I make the case that all bears are fucking dangerous? 0.98

01:09:18.000 What are you talking about, man? 0.99

01:09:20.000 What are you like?

01:09:21.000 Oh, plus he's only a grizzly.

01:09:22.000 He's not even a hybrid. 1.00

01:09:23.000 You fucking... 1.00

01:09:24.000 Look at you. 1.00

01:09:25.000 Whatever.

01:09:26.000 Golden bears. 1.00

01:09:27.000 You weak, silly bitch. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Big deal, guys. 1.00

01:09:29.000 I'm going to leave some honey and you just go to that.

01:09:31.000 If we go up there, we'd probably...

01:09:33.000 It depends. 0.66

01:09:34.000 If we go to an area like a black... 1.00

01:09:36.000 Just categorically, don't worry. 0.98

01:09:39.000 You don't worry about black bears.

01:09:40.000 People just generally don't worry about black bears.

01:09:42.000 But if you go to an area that has mixed populations where you have...

01:09:46.000 In the interior areas, you might be hunting black bears with grizzly bears around.

01:09:50.000 You definitely got to pay more attention to them.

01:09:53.000 You got to pay more attention to them mainly.

01:09:56.000 You owe it to the area and you owe it to the animals to pay attention to it.

01:10:01.000 Because if you just have negligence and it leads to a conflict...

01:10:06.000 Define pay attention.

01:10:09.000 You got to look out for them all the time.

01:10:11.000 Be aware. 1.00

01:10:12.000 Don't do stupid things in your camp. 1.00

01:10:14.000 Don't invite disaster. 1.00

01:10:16.000 Which is food...

01:10:17.000 Just being clean, keeping, like, being cognizant of what threats are.

01:10:21.000 Well, say we're...

01:10:22.000 See, here's the thing.

01:10:22.000 It's dark.

01:10:23.000 We're cooking meat.

01:10:25.000 Okay?

01:10:26.000 Yep.

01:10:26.000 Which we did last time.

01:10:28.000 That seems to be inviting bears in.

01:10:30.000 Yeah, I think that the goal, though, is to kind of strike a balance.

01:10:34.000 I mean, you could live, like, this really, like...

01:10:36.000 And I know some people, we call them being bear-annoyed, okay?

01:10:39.000 I know some bear-annoyed guys who everything they do is, like, their whole experience in the woods becomes tainted by their fear of bears.

01:10:46.000 Yeah, well, that would be...

01:10:47.000 That's me.

01:10:47.000 That's me, too.

01:10:48.000 They'll go off in some other place hundreds of yards away and eat, like, food that they imagine would be unappealing to a bear.

01:10:56.000 Yeah.

01:10:56.000 And do all this kind of crazy stuff and like, you know, they got their, they brush their teeth off in a different area and hang their toothbrush up in a tree because it might smell the thing or they don't go out in the woods if they're, you know, if their wife's menstruating, you know, they don't want to go out in the woods with her.

01:11:09.000 And you can go crazy or you can be like crazy in the other extreme and just like, you know, drag a, kill an animal and drag it back to camp and gut it and then leave the guts laying there for five days to ripen in the sun next to your tent, which would be like the other kind of Ridiculous. 0.90

01:11:26.000 Or you can kind of walk a moderate line. 0.89

01:11:28.000 And if you can do things without tainting your experience, but just little common sense issues, Not camping right on top of carcasses.

01:11:38.000 If you're cooking smelly food, like fish and fish guts and stuff, be careful about getting rid of that stuff.

01:11:44.000 Putting your food up in a tree, if there's trees available.

01:11:47.000 If there aren't things, then you put your food somewhere where you can see it and monitor it.

01:11:51.000 Lay sweaty clothes on top of it to enhance the human odor in the area.

01:11:55.000 I mean, just little things you can do that don't...

01:11:57.000 Ruin your time, but that you're generally trying to decrease the chance that you're going to have a conflict that's going to have to get the government involved, and they're going to come out and have to kill some bear because you've got trouble with you.

01:12:08.000 So grizzlies, when they smell, humans tend to avoid humans.

01:12:11.000 I think, yeah, and even the ones that don't have experience with humans, like if you go in a really remote area where you run into a bear, you run into a two-year-old bear, three-year-old bear, And it's reasonable to assume he has not had a direct interaction with a human.

01:12:30.000 You know, it's possible he just hasn't.

01:12:32.000 His parent, his mother could be 12 years old, and she's had a handful throughout 12-year-old life.

01:12:37.000 But the young one might not.

01:12:38.000 But when they smell you, oftentimes it just...

01:12:41.000 It's new.

01:12:42.000 It hits them on like a...

01:12:43.000 They just smell it.

01:12:45.000 I think they got the world divided into smells good, don't smell good.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 And I think that some smells, like a human smell, is kind of like, I don't like that smell.

01:12:53.000 And there's a behavior posture.

01:12:55.000 We were talking about a hunt we did on the show where we had to run a bear out of camp.

01:13:00.000 And just coming at that bear and trying to look big and pissed off and unyielding, Speaks to the bear.

01:13:09.000 He's not going like, oh, there's a person and he's likely to be armed.

01:13:12.000 He's just thinking, whatever that is, that thing is pissed off and coming at me.

01:13:15.000 For the folks who don't know what we're talking about, the Tim Ferriss episode of Meat Eater is when they went caribou hunting in Alaska.

01:13:22.000 So if you were looking for the one to watch on TV, that's the one.

01:13:26.000 If you're looking for this particular situation.

01:13:28.000 But these were big bears.

01:13:30.000 There was one you saw, and then an even bigger one that was running towards the camp.

01:13:34.000 And a lot of people are more afraid of the little ones.

01:13:36.000 Really?

01:13:37.000 Because the little ones haven't accumulated a set of experiences that teaches them what's good and what's bad.

01:13:45.000 Just think about adolescence.

01:13:47.000 If you're going to get into a road rage incident, in some ways, a road rage incident with a guy that's 50 isn't quite as dangerous as it might be with a guy that's 18. The guy that's 18, you don't know.

01:14:01.000 He still might be sorting through some stuff, or he might be willing to...

01:14:04.000 He's not aware of how long life really is.

01:14:07.000 Kids driving cars.

01:14:09.000 There's like a...

01:14:10.000 Some of you guys know so much more about bears than I do, but people that look particularly dangerous bears, the bears to watch out for, are the ones that have been recently kicked out by their mother.

01:14:25.000 And the males will get kicked out and tend to have to go farther afield to find a home range.

01:14:31.000 Everywhere they're going, they're getting beaten up by a resident bear.

01:14:34.000 They don't have a good lock on available food resources yet.

01:14:38.000 It's very likely that they're hungry, they're inexperienced, they're pressured.

01:14:44.000 And when you encounter those, those are the ones that people watch out for.

01:14:47.000 That's a theory about it.

01:14:49.000 Is that black bears as well?

01:14:51.000 I think that those black bears are more likely to end up in some tree in the middle of a town, the young displaced ones.

01:14:58.000 But again, I just generally, and you can cite examples of things that happen, like generally black bears are just not, I don't think of them as a dangerous bear.

01:15:05.000 I don't think a black bear is being any more dangerous than a deer being dangerous.

01:15:08.000 Really?

01:15:09.000 I'm just not bothered by black bears.

01:15:11.000 There's a crazy video recently from somewhere in Canada where these dudes are in tree stands.

01:15:16.000 And they're standing there and the bear, for whatever reason, just runs up the tree and is beside him in the tree.

01:15:24.000 Yeah, man.

01:15:24.000 In like a couple of seconds.

01:15:26.000 And he's like, don't fucking... 0.99

01:15:27.000 And they're talking to each other and they're filming this. 0.99

01:15:29.000 The bear probably smelled something.

01:15:30.000 Yeah.

01:15:31.000 Like my dad's buddy got...

01:15:32.000 As much as I just said, you know, I'm not afraid of bears.

01:15:34.000 My dad's buddy got mauled because he was hunting bears from a tree.

01:15:38.000 And a sow with cubs came in.

01:15:40.000 And he didn't want to shoot the sow with cubs.

01:15:42.000 You know, most places you can't.

01:15:44.000 But that sow smelled something.

01:15:45.000 She smelled a person. 0.99

01:15:47.000 And her response was to shoot her cubs up a tree to safety. 1.00

01:15:50.000 And she shoot them up his tree. 1.00

01:15:52.000 So when they came past him on his tree, They started squealing, and then she came up and mauled his lower legs. 1.00

01:15:59.000 I remember one night we were sitting in our house, my dad got a phone call.

01:16:01.000 This guy he used to hunt with had gotten his lower legs mauled by this bear, and he eventually fended her off, was trying to fend her off with the arrow, and the two coves eventually came back down the tree, and then she let him be.

01:16:12.000 Oh my god.

01:16:13.000 So, yeah, there are instances, but you can also, I mean, if you're just like cruising YouTube, I mean, there's plenty of places where you go find a deer to knock the hell out of someone, too.

01:16:21.000 Yeah, look at this bear climbing this ladder.

01:16:24.000 He's climbing a ladder?

01:16:25.000 What are you doing there?

01:16:25.000 No, it's not a big bear, though.

01:16:28.000 Because look at its ears.

01:16:32.000 Now, is it the best thing to do?

01:16:34.000 Just talk to him?

01:16:35.000 Look at that bear ran away.

01:16:36.000 That's big enough.

01:16:37.000 Yeah, it's big enough.

01:16:42.000 Here's the thing.

01:16:42.000 Some people say that if you look at when bears actually attack people, it's oftentimes just weird circumstances or unpredictable things.

01:16:55.000 But the general thinking on it, the general wisdom on it, if a black bear does attack you, It's predatory.

01:17:03.000 He's not defending territory.

01:17:05.000 If a black bear attacks you, he's like, I'm going to eat that.

01:17:07.000 So the thinking is, you fight like hell.

01:17:10.000 Fight like hell.

01:17:12.000 If a solid grizzly with cubs, you spook it, and it attacks you, what it's doing is it's neutralizing a threat.

01:17:20.000 So then the thinking is...

01:17:21.000 Play dead. 0.99

01:17:22.000 Get cover, you know, because right here's where they're going to kill you. 1.00

01:17:26.000 You cover this, and curl up, and don't move, and she's like, take that, bastard, and walks off. 1.00

01:17:32.000 And again, a lion, if a lion was to hit you, you're supposed to just go ballistic on it because it's a predatory response that it's having. 0.99

01:17:40.000 So when Black Bear is like, When you do hear of black bears, when they attack kids, and lions often attack small women joggers.

01:17:49.000 Small women joggers seem to get attacked by lions, or young kids seem to get attacked by lions. 0.97

01:17:52.000 Yeah, that thing's like, I'm going to eat that.

01:17:55.000 Jesus.

01:17:56.000 Wow.

01:17:57.000 But then grizzlies eat people too, man.

01:17:58.000 You hear about people that they get at by bears.

01:18:01.000 Yeah, there was a guy recently, they think it was a hybrid.

01:18:04.000 No, no, no.

01:18:05.000 There was a guy who was a miner, and he went to get groceries in town, and apparently his boat died.

01:18:11.000 His engine died, so he pulled over, and that's where they found his body.

01:18:15.000 Oh, you're kidding me.

01:18:16.000 He had been consumed.

01:18:17.000 He had been mostly consumed.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, and they think that might have been a hybrid.

01:18:23.000 You know what's weird?

01:18:24.000 I was reading this bear hunting book by this writer, Tony Ross.

01:18:31.000 He was talking about on Kodiak Island, in the Alaska Peninsula, areas that just have really dense grizzly populations.

01:18:37.000 Brown bear and grizzly is the same thing.

01:18:38.000 People generally say brown bear for coastal grizzlies and grizzlies for interior.

01:18:43.000 He was saying that the male grizzlies will come out, and when they come out in those areas, they might have a grizzly for every one or two or three square miles, so a lot more dense than most other areas.

01:18:56.000 When they come out in the spring, they're hunting cubs.

01:18:59.000 Wow.

01:19:00.000 That's what's on the menu, man.

01:19:03.000 It's like there's so many of them, and they're so vicious that they come out, and a primary food source for some of these mature boars is grizzly cubs.

01:19:12.000 Oh, my God.

01:19:14.000 And he'll go after it. 1.00

01:19:14.000 But he said, a weird thing is, and they'll kill those cubs. 1.00

01:19:17.000 He said, in all of his hunting, when they'll kill a grizzly or brown bear and skin it, you know, He said in all of his hunting, and he's talked to other guys too, he's never seen where a brown bear consumed the skinned out carcass of another brown bear.

01:19:35.000 So they eat cubs, but they never eat the bear itself.

01:19:37.000 And he mentions in this book, he talks to some other people he's talking about, some guy like in 20 years of hunting or whatever, yet they've never seen the carcass of an adult get cannibalized.

01:19:46.000 Wow, that's fascinating.

01:19:48.000 But they'll hunt down, and it's like a active prey for them.

01:19:51.000 So when they're hunting the cubs, do you think that it's a response to controlling the environment, not letting any new members in?

01:19:59.000 I think it really is food.

01:20:02.000 But it's also that they know that that sow will go back into asterisk.

01:20:06.000 Because she's only going to put off cubs maybe every few years. 0.99

01:20:11.000 I heard dolphins do that as well.

01:20:13.000 Dolphins murder babies if they know that the woman... 1.00

01:20:17.000 Because she won't mate with the dolphins. 1.00

01:20:20.000 Yeah, and there's that blue whale too.

01:20:22.000 The blue whale will drown a female's calf because she'll breed again. 1.00

01:20:28.000 If not, she's not going to breed for years. 0.54

01:20:30.000 It's rough, man.

01:20:31.000 There's a lot of people that really try to dress up the animal world.

01:20:35.000 Everybody's always, oh, innocent, this.

01:20:36.000 It's like...

01:20:37.000 There's some wicked stuff out there, but those big boars, he was talking about this dude, Tony Russell, talking about these big boars, they'll go out and dig dens.

01:20:44.000 Jesus Christ.

01:20:44.000 They come out early, and the females will come out later, so the females will be in the dens of the cubs, and those boars will go around doing site visits, and they'll dig cubs right out of the den and eat them.

01:20:52.000 Oh my God.

01:20:53.000 And I imagine they're probably a little bit indiscriminate.

01:20:57.000 Like, there's a chance he's going to consume his own offspring.

01:21:00.000 But he's also thinking that all these sows that wouldn't be available to me for two years, three years, are going to be available to me this June.

01:21:07.000 Whoa.

01:21:08.000 You know, in June or July.

01:21:09.000 So do the females defend? 1.00

01:21:11.000 They have to.

01:21:12.000 You know, they have to.

01:21:13.000 And I feel like I've seen and also talked to and heard people who talk about that they've seen instances where a female has... 0.97

01:21:20.000 Fought them off?

01:21:20.000 Yeah, where the male wasn't that committed.

01:21:23.000 I mean, it's going to come at a price to them.

01:21:25.000 But then some of these males are so big that they can get up to be where they're nearly twice as big.

01:21:32.000 And they're battle-hardened, man.

01:21:34.000 It's wicked, though.

01:21:36.000 That movie, Grizzly Man, when those two bears go to war and they start duking it out.

01:21:40.000 That's quite like...

01:21:41.000 Unbelievable footage that guy got.

01:21:43.000 I'll tell you what, that's some of the most impressive...

01:21:45.000 People are always down on that guy, you know, for all these reasons, but I'll tell you what, man, that dude's a hard camper.

01:21:50.000 Oh, yeah.

01:21:51.000 You go, like, do it because...

01:21:52.000 That's a funny way of putting it.

01:21:53.000 No, he'll out-camp anybody.

01:21:55.000 And people in Alaska...

01:21:58.000 People will ask to get really offended when an outsider will come up and do some thing like go camping for a long time. 1.00

01:22:04.000 He gets eaten by bears and everybody's like, oh, he's so stupid. 0.99

01:22:07.000 But the guy knew he was going to get eaten by bears and he out-camped everybody. 1.00

01:22:10.000 You go out to an area like that, It just rained.

01:22:14.000 He camped seven summers in a row all summer long.

01:22:18.000 People are like, oh yeah, but he had his girlfriend with him.

01:22:19.000 That could make it worse, man.

01:22:22.000 To be uncomfortable with your girlfriend is worse than being uncomfortable by yourself.

01:22:29.000 Because you're being uncomfortable for two people, and there's a certain amount of responsibility that comes with that.

01:22:33.000 He was a hard camper.

01:22:34.000 Especially if you like her.

01:22:35.000 Yep, because you're just watching it crumble.

01:22:38.000 And he was a hard camper, and he collected some footage.

01:22:41.000 That fight is unparalleled.

01:22:43.000 Unbelievable.

01:22:43.000 It's just amazing, man.

01:22:45.000 The power in those two boars is just like, man.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, and they duked it out for quite a while.

01:22:50.000 He got, like, really close-up footage for the folks who don't know what we're talking about.

01:22:54.000 These two bears just fighting over territory.

01:22:56.000 It's worth watching that movie alone.

01:22:58.000 It's worth watching Grizzly Man alone to watch those boars go at each other.

01:23:01.000 They devastate that area. 0.69

01:23:03.000 Yeah, and that's not, like, a common thing to see.

01:23:05.000 Like, in that close, that good of footage for that long.

01:23:09.000 It's a long-ass fight. 0.95

01:23:10.000 I had a butt. 0.99

01:23:11.000 I got, like... 0.98

01:23:12.000 Like, you can hang out in the woods so much, you know?

01:23:15.000 And...

01:23:17.000 You can hang out in the woods so much, and then when you look at all the things you've seen out in the woods, it's startling how few really weird things you see, but it's proportionate.

01:23:29.000 No one just spends a little dinky bit of time out in the woods and then sees tons of weird stuff.

01:23:33.000 You've got to put in the hours to catalog stuff.

01:23:38.000 There's a guy I know, he's a guy, Jay Scott, and I was talking one day, I was feeling cocky because I've seen three mountain lions while I was hunting.

01:23:48.000 And there's this guy, Jay Scott, just hunts.

01:23:50.000 He's one of the best big game hunters I know.

01:23:52.000 And I was saying, like, you ever seen a lion?

01:23:55.000 He said, I'm looking for number 33 right now.

01:23:58.000 And that's not hunting lions.

01:24:01.000 That's sitting and watching.

01:24:03.000 Jesus Christ.

01:24:04.000 Sitting and watching.

01:24:05.000 Sitting and watching for a game.

01:24:07.000 He had logged 32 that he spotted.

01:24:09.000 Not running them with dogs, but just being there in the woods looking for games with his binoculars.

01:24:16.000 And that right there, you can't buy it.

01:24:19.000 He's a very honest guy.

01:24:21.000 That means, oh, that dude spent tons of time out there.

01:24:24.000 And some of the things that that guy that was in the footage, and I'm only going by, and on Grizzly, man, I'm only going by whatever I saw on that two-hour Herzog movie.

01:24:33.000 Like, Lord knows how many things didn't make it.

01:24:35.000 Yeah.

01:24:36.000 But he was out there and witnessed some amazing sights, man.

01:24:40.000 Yeah, that's what people have to understand.

01:24:42.000 Timothy Treadwell's footage was all turned into this Werner Herzog documentary, but this is just a piece of what this guy got when he was living up there.

01:24:51.000 And I think a lot of people believe...

01:24:54.000 Look at that, they're going to war with each other.

01:24:56.000 They're so powerful.

01:24:57.000 They're good Greco. 1.00

01:24:58.000 They've got good Greco, good underhooks, good control of the neck.

01:25:02.000 That this guy had suicide by bear.

01:25:05.000 That was the way he went out.

01:25:06.000 That he knew that if he was there as late as he was, that the bears that would still be around would be really desperate.

01:25:13.000 They were older bears.

01:25:14.000 Oh, and you can imagine one of those things getting a hold of you.

01:25:16.000 Look at that power, man.

01:25:17.000 Oh, yeah.

01:25:18.000 They're going to town.

01:25:19.000 And they're using real jujitsu.

01:25:20.000 Look at this.

01:25:21.000 I know.

01:25:21.000 He's passing the guard.

01:25:23.000 Look, it's foot on the hips.

01:25:24.000 That guy's got a good open guard.

01:25:26.000 And it's not unreasonable to say that those are 800-pound-plus animals.

01:25:30.000 Oh yeah, those are enormous animals.

01:25:32.000 Think about 800 pounds.

01:25:33.000 I mean, it's hard to put it in perspective, but that's good jujitsu, I'll tell you that.

01:25:37.000 He's in side control right now.

01:25:38.000 He just passed the guard.

01:25:39.000 He's in full side control right now.

01:25:41.000 And he's got the neck.

01:25:43.000 And he could deliver knees to the head if that was allowed in bear fighting, but it doesn't.

01:25:46.000 See, look at that.

01:25:46.000 See that move?

01:25:47.000 That move? 0.99

01:25:48.000 That bear reclaimed guard, goddammit. 0.95

01:25:50.000 That is natural. 0.97

01:25:52.000 That bear reclaimed guard.

01:25:54.000 He reclaimed guard.

01:25:55.000 You can't let him get there.

01:25:56.000 Look at that.

01:25:56.000 Back to guard again.

01:25:57.000 This bear is fucking crafty. 1.00

01:25:59.000 The bear on the bottom is doing a real good job defending himself. 0.99

01:26:02.000 This for real, even though the other bear is bigger, what's going on there, the way the bear fights, is how they teach you to fight in jiu-jitsu, for real.

01:26:09.000 Foot on the hips, controlling his body, not letting him get all of his weight on top of you, shifting your hips so your feet touch onto his hips.

01:26:15.000 You see the chunks of hair flying?

01:26:17.000 Yeah.

01:26:17.000 There's an interesting bit of bipedalism in this too, man.

01:26:20.000 I'm surprised.

01:26:20.000 They're pretty adept at being on their back.

01:26:23.000 The little guy ain't running. 0.99

01:26:25.000 Well, when you see them standing up like that on their hind legs, that's when you realize how fucking enormous they are. 0.98

01:26:30.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:26:30.000 Look at the big chunk of hair missing from his back leg. 0.97

01:26:34.000 Do an arm drag. 0.99

01:26:35.000 Look at the size of the fucking light one. 0.99

01:26:37.000 I know. 1.00

01:26:37.000 Look how big the light one is. 1.00

01:26:39.000 Yeah, but check him out.

01:26:40.000 He's being backed down.

01:26:41.000 The younger one's got better jiu-jitsu.

01:26:43.000 I told you.

01:26:44.000 He fights off his back.

01:26:45.000 He might be old and crippled, man.

01:26:47.000 He wore out the big dude.

01:26:48.000 Wow.

01:26:49.000 The big dude got tired.

01:26:50.000 The big one had a hold of his face the whole time.

01:26:53.000 Jiu-jitsu.

01:26:55.000 Jiu-jitsu.

01:26:57.000 These are black bears, but on Prince Wells Island where my brothers and I got a little shack, the biggest bear I've seen out there And that's famous for big bears.

01:27:04.000 The biggest bear I've seen out there was a big, injured, old bear.

01:27:07.000 I don't know what happened, but he was just packing a leg.

01:27:09.000 And he was kind of in the autumn of his career, you know? 1.00

01:27:13.000 So he had been, like, probably the man, and now he probably just gets his ass kicked. 1.00

01:27:18.000 Wow. 0.99

01:27:18.000 He was down by a salmon stream that couldn't really move, and you can imagine now all the people he'd beat up, because he could be old. 0.99

01:27:25.000 I killed a bear that was 17 one time.

01:27:27.000 17?

01:27:28.000 Yeah.

01:27:28.000 That's from tooth dentum analysis.

01:27:32.000 17. He could, you know...

01:27:34.000 He could have a lot of grudges against him.

01:27:35.000 Now he's kind of down.

01:27:37.000 You know, one of the cool things about the trip that we went on, we should probably talk about that, huh?

01:27:42.000 Yeah.

01:27:43.000 We're talking about everyone else.

01:27:44.000 People are pissed on Twitter. 1.00

01:27:46.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:27:46.000 Yeah, go pee. 1.00

01:27:47.000 Go pee, and when you come back, we'll talk to you about hunting and manly shit. 1.00

01:27:52.000 Yeah, you're allowed to say pee on this show. 1.00

01:27:54.000 This show is casual as fuck. 1.00

01:27:56.000 You don't have to worry about saying pee. 1.00

01:27:58.000 What'd you do this weekend, pal?

01:28:00.000 What did I do this weekend?

01:28:03.000 I don't know.

01:28:03.000 I just watched the playoffs and I watched Nate's fight.

01:28:07.000 Safferdeen fought a great fight, man.

01:28:09.000 It was a good fight.

01:28:10.000 The whole card was good.

01:28:11.000 Our pal Josh Barnett got a big win.

01:28:14.000 Yeah, Josh Barnett is tough.

01:28:16.000 He's an animal.

01:28:17.000 It's a good win for him because he was sick.

01:28:20.000 He had a real tough camp.

01:28:21.000 Apparently he caught a real bad flu or some sort of a bug, some kind of a cold. 0.99

01:28:26.000 He could not fucking shake it. 0.98

01:28:28.000 He said he only had a few days of good, solid, hard training during the entire camp. 0.99

01:28:32.000 Oh my god.

01:28:36.000 Do his best but try not to get sicker.

01:28:38.000 It's interesting to see where MMA is coming because if you're not prepared for someone's weapons and if someone hits you with something you haven't seen before, like I was thinking about Nate getting caught with those leg kicks over and over again.

01:28:50.000 Nate's seen leg kicks a million times.

01:28:52.000 I think Tarek Safedine is a really classical technical striker and Nate Markhart Although he's an amazing striker, the knockout of Tyron Woodley, that insane KO towards the end.

01:29:08.000 But I think that technically, if you look at all the best technical fighters, unless they're freaks of athleticism, unless they're just much faster than anyone else, they follow a certain number of rules when it comes to defending yourself, Yeah.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 No.

01:29:45.000 Tim Sylvia knocked out Rico Rodriguez in the same way.

01:29:49.000 Rico hit him with a leg kick and he was planted.

01:29:51.000 He decided he's just going to eat the kick and blast the punch and catch a guy.

01:29:55.000 So a lot of guys do that.

01:29:56.000 And a guy like Marco, who's got that kind of power, probably banked on that.

01:30:00.000 And then somewhere along the line, Safedine hit him with too many of them. 1.00

01:30:04.000 And he was like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:30:05.000 Should have checked those. 1.00

01:30:06.000 So it's just a matter of...

01:30:08.000 Yeah, Nate can get anybody in the world in any way.

01:30:09.000 Absolutely he could.

01:30:10.000 And he might be able to beat Safedine when they fight again.

01:30:13.000 When you're dealing with that level, that high level of fighting, Tarek Safedine, a lot of times what it is, it's also how they match up.

01:30:21.000 Styles, Styles.

01:30:22.000 Safedine's a really good wrestler because of his time with Team Quest.

01:30:24.000 He's really hard to take down.

01:30:25.000 Wrestling, he's doing Greco with Olympians.

01:30:27.000 Exactly.

01:30:28.000 So you saw Nate was really struggling to take him down.

01:30:31.000 So Nate was forced to stand with him.

01:30:32.000 And he's forced to stand with him.

01:30:33.000 And Safedine is being more conservative.

01:30:36.000 And he's being more technical.

01:30:37.000 And so he kept landing those leg kicks.

01:30:40.000 And Nate was looking for the big bombs.

01:30:42.000 When Woodley fought Safedine, he just hit him with those low doubles and singles. 0.86

01:30:45.000 He wrestle-fucked him. 0.91

01:30:46.000 Yeah.

01:30:46.000 And the one thing they say to Greco...

01:30:48.000 They say that Greco guys have a tough time with freestyle wrestlers.

01:30:51.000 Oh, yeah, man.

01:30:52.000 Well, a lot of people have a hard time with a guy like Tyron Woodley. 1.00

01:30:55.000 He's just a fucking... 0.99

01:30:56.000 He's a super strong dude with great wrestling technique. 1.00

01:31:00.000 And he's in condition.

01:31:01.000 And he's smart.

01:31:02.000 And he trains hard. 0.99

01:31:03.000 And he's a fucking super athlete. 1.00

01:31:06.000 And he can punch the shit out of you. 1.00

01:31:07.000 His wrestling is ridiculous. 1.00

01:31:08.000 He gets a hold of you. 0.98

01:31:08.000 You're going to go on your back. 0.98

01:31:09.000 He's a big, strong guy.

01:31:11.000 But Nate beat him.

01:31:11.000 And that was probably the most sensational he looked.

01:31:13.000 So to go from that fight where he looks unbelievably good to this fight, just a little wake-up call.

01:31:18.000 Maybe just be a little bit more technical or conservative when you're fighting a guy like that and to realize that that kind of accumulation of eating those kind of shots really can pay off.

01:31:29.000 It's interesting because maybe Nate, I don't know, but maybe, I wonder if Nate felt he was bigger and stronger so he could out Greco him.

01:31:34.000 He probably did.

01:31:35.000 He probably thought he would just blast him.

01:31:37.000 After that Woodley fight, man, I mean, he knew it was going to be a tough fight.

01:31:40.000 He knew, a lot of people said it was a gigantic upset.

01:31:44.000 I don't think it was a gigantic upset.

01:31:45.000 I think it was Tarek Safferdeen's finest performance, but it wasn't like a gigantic upset.

01:31:50.000 It was an upset.

01:31:51.000 But you can see that Safedine's an excellent striker.

01:31:54.000 He's a great fighter.

01:31:55.000 He's a very good fighter.

01:31:55.000 A complete fighter.

01:31:56.000 He realized his potential that night.

01:32:00.000 But back to what I wanted to tell you about our trip, man.

01:32:03.000 Thanks for bringing my skull.

01:32:05.000 Thank Ryan Callahan, man.

01:32:07.000 I love that dude.

01:32:08.000 Ryan Callahan is one of the guys that we went with.

01:32:10.000 A real man.

01:32:11.000 He saw it through.

01:32:12.000 He's such an awesome dude.

01:32:15.000 The place where we went for dinner when we first came back, we haven't even showered yet, and we stunk five days.

01:32:25.000 If you need a great hunting guide, call Ryan Callahan.

01:32:28.000 We were out in the...

01:32:30.000 Camping by the side of the river for five days.

01:32:33.000 We hadn't had any showers.

01:32:34.000 And then before we even got to a hotel, we decided, let's go get some dinner somewhere.

01:32:38.000 Or get some lunch.

01:32:39.000 So we go to this place. 0.99

01:32:40.000 And this fucking dickwad, who owns the place, has this shrine up to the fallen marines. 0.99

01:32:47.000 And he comes up to us and starts talking to us about Obama. 1.00

01:32:51.000 And the Benghazi attack.

01:32:53.000 Yeah.

01:32:53.000 Oh, they killed my boys.

01:32:54.000 He's just this overbearing blowhard. 1.00

01:32:57.000 He's a real a-hole. 0.99

01:32:58.000 And then he starts yelling at his staff and he starts yelling at a woman who works there. 0.98

01:33:02.000 It's just like dressing her down for no reason.

01:33:05.000 It's really embarrassing to all of us.

01:33:07.000 Dressing her down over order confusion that we created by having a complicated order.

01:33:12.000 Yeah, and it wasn't anything that any of us had any problem with at all.

01:33:15.000 It was just like, oh no, no worries.

01:33:18.000 Everybody was fine. 1.00

01:33:19.000 But this guy's treating her like she just took a shit in the middle of your fucking chicken soup. 1.00

01:33:23.000 It didn't make any sense. 1.00

01:33:25.000 So Ryan, at the end of the dinner, he gets up and he goes over to the guy and he starts calling the Better Business Bureau on the phone.

01:33:33.000 And he tells the woman, quit.

01:33:35.000 You need to quit.

01:33:36.000 You need to not work here.

01:33:38.000 Just get out and quit right now.

01:33:39.000 And he goes, you... 0.99

01:33:40.000 Sir, are an embarrassment. 0.98

01:33:42.000 You know, I'm a native Montana and I have some people in here. 0.98

01:33:44.000 I'm showing them what Montana's like and they have to see you exhibit this kind of behavior. 0.99

01:33:49.000 And I was like, wow, that's some John Wayne type shit right there. 0.99

01:33:52.000 He was John Wayne, man. 0.99

01:33:53.000 He was sitting there.

01:33:53.000 He defended that girl.

01:33:54.000 He was embarrassed for his reason.

01:33:56.000 He stood up for that girl.

01:33:58.000 The guy started trying to talk.

01:33:59.000 He goes, I am not talking to you, sir, but I cannot understand for the life of me why you would speak to somebody like that.

01:34:04.000 I just can't understand.

01:34:06.000 And Ryan is so polite, but you can tell he's such a moral, upstanding guy.

01:34:12.000 He's just this great guy with a mustache.

01:34:15.000 Just standing there, just standing up for what's right.

01:34:18.000 And he kind of shamed all of us.

01:34:20.000 We were like, God, I guess we should have done that.

01:34:22.000 I'm not good at that because that guy made me mad.

01:34:28.000 It's almost like he's trying to sabotage his own restaurant.

01:34:33.000 It was the weirdest thing to have.

01:34:34.000 They'd be like, I'm going to go into your restaurant and buy the products you're selling.

01:34:38.000 And then you're going to come start quizzing me into things that I know are traps.

01:34:42.000 Yeah.

01:34:43.000 You know, basically we were like Al-Qaeda.

01:34:46.000 Well, he was asking us how we felt about Obama because it was right before the elections.

01:34:50.000 He was like, you're not voting for Obama, right?

01:34:54.000 Yeah, but then his political analysis was this.

01:34:58.000 Oh, you're going to be a vote for Obama. 0.99

01:35:01.000 And he started dancing around like, I guess Obama's gay or it's gay. 0.99

01:35:05.000 Some stereotypical like, ooh! 1.00

01:35:07.000 I was like, you're a fucking weirdo. 1.00

01:35:08.000 I hate when anyone makes... 1.00

01:35:13.000 Like when people come up just uninvited to like talk politics or make a political incinuation.

01:35:18.000 I remember when we had our kid, we had to get a pediatrician.

01:35:20.000 I remember going to a guy who like...

01:35:23.000 Started making cracks, like just assuming that we're in the club, like we're in the left-wing club.

01:35:29.000 He just knew that we were in the left-wing club and started making cracks about right-wing people.

01:35:34.000 I remember walking out, I'm like, there's no way I'm going to take my kid to a pediatrician who, when I walk in, I want to talk about my child's health, wants to get in there with me and make assumptions about my politics.

01:35:42.000 It has nothing to do with the services I'm seeking.

01:35:45.000 And when I wanted to eat that guy's hamburger, the last thing I wanted to hear was, Was his, like, analysis of, I think it was like the Benghazi thing.

01:35:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:51.000 Well, you said, you even said he tried to talk to you.

01:35:54.000 I don't want to talk about politics.

01:35:57.000 You can't win, man.

01:35:57.000 There's no winning.

01:35:58.000 Joe, I was messing with the guys.

01:35:59.000 Like, you guys got drunk.

01:36:00.000 I was like, nah, just a little blow. 1.00

01:36:01.000 And he's like, hey, smart ass. 0.99

01:36:03.000 And then Joe, finally Joe was like, hey, stop talking to that guy. 0.99

01:36:05.000 You're encouraging him.

01:36:06.000 Because I can tell when you clam up.

01:36:08.000 I don't.

01:36:09.000 Yeah, I didn't like that guy.

01:36:11.000 He wasn't nice.

01:36:12.000 When you see a guy who's not nice to his employees like that, I really don't want to talk to that dude.

01:36:16.000 But the upside is that Ryan Callahan's a solid guy. 0.99

01:36:20.000 Yeah, he's solid as fuck. 0.99

01:36:21.000 That was a fun experience, man. 0.99

01:36:23.000 To have our first hunting trip with you was a real treat, man. 0.98

01:36:28.000 It was so much fucking fun. 0.97

01:36:30.000 We keep talking about it. 0.96

01:36:31.000 I love seeing it through new people's eyes, you know?

01:36:34.000 Yeah, that's got to be weird for you, right?

01:36:35.000 I mean, you've spent your entire life essentially hunting.

01:36:38.000 You can't even remember the first time you killed anything, right?

01:36:41.000 No, I don't.

01:36:42.000 Well, I remember the first deer I killed, but as far as hunting small game, just being around it.

01:36:48.000 You know what I never had?

01:36:53.000 Not that I relish seeing it in other people, but I never had the shock of death to people.

01:36:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:57.000 Right.

01:36:59.000 Kind of like the shock of how serious it is.

01:37:02.000 So if someone grows up on a farm and they see that all the time.

01:37:05.000 Yeah, they just don't have it.

01:37:06.000 I didn't grow up in agriculture, but I grew up involved in hunting and it was around a lot of things.

01:37:11.000 I never had that level of surprise.

01:37:14.000 I think that when you take someone out for the first time, and my brothers have found the same thing with their wives or taking their girlfriends out or friends out.

01:37:25.000 There is a real reckoning that people have.

01:37:29.000 The funny thing is, despite someone's response, usually people, if you kill an animal for the first time and you're going to eat it, regardless of what you're going to do with it, you kill an animal for the first time, I don't want to say it's humbling, but it stops other thoughts.

01:37:44.000 You're alone with that thought for a minute.

01:37:47.000 But the interesting thing is, as much as I've seen that happen, I've never had anyone later Come to regret, I haven't done it.

01:37:57.000 It's always in some way strengthening for people to go see that life and death thing.

01:38:03.000 No one's ever called me back and said, that was just a terrible mistake.

01:38:05.000 For you, intellectually, knowing that this is a unique experience for most people, how does that make you feel when you see it through their eyes and the idea to you being so alien?

01:38:20.000 It's exciting for me.

01:38:24.000 I think that I already kind of, in a way, I know what the experience is going to be for the person because I think in some ways we're talking about really base...

01:38:38.000 Aspects of human nature, you know?

01:38:40.000 And so I kind of can anticipate, like, if I take someone out on their first hunt and just kind of want to show them hunting first, what I usually do, you know, because, like, I respect you guys and want you to have a good time and respect your opinions on things, so I want to, like, take you on an experience that's going to be a good one,

01:38:56.000 you know, that's going to be, like, an immersive kind of experience.

01:38:58.000 So I know that there's a certain thing that goes with that, like, just to kind of get away from stuff and be out in an area where you've diminished some of the noise and you're allowed to be in the moment.

01:39:07.000 It's just gonna put you in a certain spot.

01:39:09.000 And I think that it's like to take someone out on a first hunt, I'm not worried about a wild card scenario because I've done it enough to where I've seen that it just doesn't happen.

01:39:21.000 It's like people go on a kind of predictable journey on a hunt.

01:39:26.000 You're talking about wild card as in...

01:39:27.000 They would have some crazy response to it.

01:39:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:39:30.000 That it would be really unhinging for them or that it would put them into...

01:39:35.000 That they would be so depressed or that they would be so guilt-ridden.

01:39:37.000 I've just never had it...

01:39:39.000 It's not like when I go into it, I don't think like, wow, who knows what's going to happen when this happens.

01:39:43.000 I'm generally like, you know what's going to happen?

01:39:44.000 Is the person's going to have a very fulfilling experience, you know?

01:39:49.000 And they're going to appreciate the challenge.

01:39:51.000 They might not ever go hunting again, but they'll always remember back on that and have come away and found out something about themselves.

01:39:58.000 And it's like it's never been otherwise.

01:40:00.000 I would probably stop if I found that there was a high degree.

01:40:04.000 You know, there's a thing that happened to me, though, with my own wife, is she didn't grow up around hunting, you know?

01:40:14.000 And she eats a lot of wild game and has eaten a lot of wild game ever since...

01:40:17.000 She eats more wild game than 90% of the hunters I know. 0.98

01:40:21.000 But she just had it in her head, she's like, I don't want to see an animal...

01:40:24.000 I don't need to see an animal get killed. 0.94

01:40:26.000 She's like, I'm fine with the hypocrisy, if you want to call it hypocrisy. 0.96

01:40:29.000 I'll eat wild game, I'll eat meat.

01:40:30.000 I prefer to eat wild game over domestic meat.

01:40:32.000 I just don't want to see a deer get killed.

01:40:34.000 And one day, I invited her.

01:40:36.000 We were up at my cabin and I invited her out on a deer hunt with us.

01:40:39.000 And my brother...

01:40:42.000 Wanted to get a deer.

01:40:42.000 And we took our boat out and landed our skiff at this river mouth, and she was reluctant to go along because she was afraid of what she might see.

01:40:50.000 And I had encouraged her to come because I'm like, what's going to happen is you won't even know the deer is there.

01:40:53.000 We're going to spot a deer that's far away, probably obscured by brush.

01:40:59.000 You'd have to look for it really hard to see it anyways. 0.97

01:41:02.000 We're going to shoot it. 0.92

01:41:02.000 By the time we get over there, it'll be dead, and it's not really the experience you're imagining. 0.92

01:41:07.000 But we beached our skiff and started going up this gravel bar, this stream bank, and here comes three deer.

01:41:13.000 Something scared them.

01:41:13.000 A bear, I don't know what.

01:41:14.000 Something scared them.

01:41:16.000 Because they're running tortoise. 0.94

01:41:17.000 And they get so close that...

01:41:19.000 I'm not kidding you.

01:41:21.000 I'm looking at the eyelashes on this deer.

01:41:23.000 Oh my god.

01:41:23.000 They're just there.

01:41:25.000 And I see that one of them's got spikes.

01:41:28.000 One of them's a buck.

01:41:29.000 And it was a buck only season.

01:41:30.000 And...

01:41:31.000 I see my brother, we're kind of hunkered down by rock, and I see him, like, raising his rifle up. 1.00

01:41:35.000 And I'm like, you son of a bitch. 1.00

01:41:37.000 I was like, do not shoot this deer right now. 1.00

01:41:39.000 We'll just get another one later.

01:41:40.000 And he, you know, piles that deer up.

01:41:43.000 And when my wife looked at me.

01:41:44.000 He shot it.

01:41:44.000 Yeah.

01:41:45.000 He said, he piles that deer up.

01:41:46.000 He shot it at point blank.

01:41:47.000 How far away are we talking?

01:41:49.000 10 feet?

01:41:49.000 You need that monitor.

01:41:50.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:51.000 Just close.

01:41:52.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:53.000 Oh, my God.

01:41:56.000 And it turned and she thought that he had missed, but it fell over.

01:42:01.000 It was far.

01:42:01.000 I'm exaggerating.

01:42:02.000 It was far than that.

01:42:03.000 It was very close.

01:42:03.000 Maybe twice that distance.

01:42:05.000 Even twice that distance.

01:42:07.000 I remember seeing its eyelashes.

01:42:09.000 We're talking about like 30 feet.

01:42:10.000 And very, very, very close.

01:42:13.000 And when she looked at me after seeing that, she was looking at me across a vast, vast gulf of distance.

01:42:23.000 It was like she looked at me like she had never known me.

01:42:29.000 We were just married.

01:42:32.000 We were married not even a year.

01:42:34.000 The look she gave me, I was like, this could be the end.

01:42:39.000 Of our relationship.

01:42:40.000 Did she find it sexy?

01:42:42.000 No.

01:42:42.000 Come on, man.

01:42:43.000 Looked at me like we were the barbarians.

01:42:46.000 Yeah.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, well, you just assassinated Bambi right in front of her. 0.99

01:42:50.000 But you know what?

01:42:50.000 It was weird.

01:42:51.000 We drugged the thing down.

01:42:53.000 She didn't think we drug it with enough ceremony.

01:42:56.000 She's like, it's head was banging on.

01:42:57.000 We gutted it out, drug it back, threw it in the skiff, and started motoring back toward our shack.

01:43:06.000 And no one was saying a word in the boat.

01:43:09.000 At all.

01:43:09.000 But then, within 45 minutes, within 45 minutes, it was enough time for her to process what she saw, and her take home was, you know what, I guess I'd still rather eat that thing Than, you know, an animal from a feedlot.

01:43:24.000 Sure.

01:43:24.000 Of course.

01:43:25.000 It was just like, it just took her a minute because she was like, and later I felt like, she's like, I feel like I should feel something different than I do.

01:43:33.000 I feel like I should feel outrage.

01:43:35.000 Intellectually.

01:43:36.000 Yeah, but then once she sat in that boat and thought about it, it was just like, it just passed.

01:43:40.000 Yeah.

01:43:41.000 I don't know.

01:43:42.000 Things die.

01:43:43.000 It's so fascinating that you have this different point of view on death than so many people and for your wife to experience it in its most shocking form on the first pass.

01:43:58.000 I'm sure it would take a little while to intellectualize.

01:44:01.000 I took away something interesting by butchering the deer and getting my hands in that deer.

01:44:05.000 And I kind of thought to myself, I can see how, I can certainly see how a hunter would have an easier time taking a human's life with a knife.

01:44:14.000 I wonder about that all the time.

01:44:15.000 I think because you have an intimate experience with that animal, you know, you're not as squeamish maybe.

01:44:21.000 You Yeah.

01:44:22.000 It is a strange feeling when you reach in there and you feel the guts for the first time.

01:44:27.000 The whole experience was really fascinating.

01:44:29.000 The heart.

01:44:29.000 But I passed out when my wife had an epidural when she was having her first baby.

01:44:33.000 Really?

01:44:33.000 Because I used to tell people, I'd be like, and I want to write it off as a needle thing.

01:44:38.000 I'd tell people, I could cut your arm off, but I can't watch you get a shot.

01:44:41.000 Wow, that's so weird. 0.98

01:44:42.000 I don't know if it's the other thing, but I don't know that it translates.

01:44:44.000 I think people do.

01:44:45.000 There's like an argument against hunting is that it turns you into like you're so comfortable with death and you're like an animal.

01:44:52.000 That should be the same argument.

01:44:52.000 I don't know that it necessarily translates.

01:44:54.000 I don't think it translates to being like comfortable.

01:44:57.000 No, I don't think morally or ethically you want to be better.

01:44:59.000 That's the same argument then that someone who runs a chicken farm.

01:45:03.000 They kill chickens all day.

01:45:05.000 I just think that violence transforms you fundamentally.

01:45:08.000 For example, when you've done combat sports and you've gotten punched and knocked out or kicked in the head and knocked out or just put into a choke, you are different about your own mortality, your own relationships to other men.

01:45:24.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:45:25.000 When you've been taken to a man or you've had somebody do whatever they want to you and you realize, oh, I'm very vulnerable.

01:45:35.000 Or you get knocked out and it really hurts or hit in the body.

01:45:39.000 That, I think, fundamentally changes you in your relationship, not just to other men.

01:45:46.000 How do you think this relates to hunting though?

01:45:48.000 In the same way like when you have an intimate experience of harvesting your own meat, which actually requires a really loud noise, the killing of an animal and you see that blood and you feel that what just was alive and you're touching it.

01:46:02.000 Then you butcher it.

01:46:04.000 I feel like I approach – I don't know, man.

01:46:09.000 I don't even know how to articulate how it changed me, but I do think that something that is that intimately violent is going to… Why do you keep saying violence?

01:46:18.000 Because I don't see it as violence at all.

01:46:21.000 I think it's pretty abrupt in its ending.

01:46:24.000 I've started using it.

01:46:26.000 Violence?

01:46:27.000 I used to not use it.

01:46:28.000 I started coming to terms.

01:46:30.000 I used to want to sanctify it.

01:46:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:33.000 And I'd be careful about...

01:46:34.000 There's a thing in the hunting world where people are very reluctant to use the word kill.

01:46:37.000 There's euphemisms for kill.

01:46:39.000 Really?

01:46:39.000 Harvest?

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:41.000 The kind of like harvest or taste.

01:46:42.000 But I feel like, I mean, the obvious, the gunshot is violent.

01:46:46.000 But the butchering and all that stuff didn't seem violent.

01:46:48.000 Oh, no.

01:46:49.000 It's post-violence.

01:46:50.000 Yeah, violence is the wrong way to use for...

01:46:52.000 But I just mean the blood.

01:46:54.000 I like getting in there and feeling the temperature of the blood, smelling it, having it up to my arms...

01:46:59.000 I'm not trying to imply that shooting animals isn't violent.

01:47:02.000 But the whole experience I didn't think of as a violent experience.

01:47:07.000 It was very surreal.

01:47:13.000 That's a commonly used term, like the connection to nature.

01:47:17.000 It's one of those terms I think that's used so much that the meaning of it gets a little fuzzy, gets a little bullshitty.

01:47:24.000 Oh, my connection to nature, Sat Nam.

01:47:28.000 But that is what it is.

01:47:30.000 When you're out there living in that animal's world, sleeping on the ground, just basically like they do, and then following them around. 0.94

01:47:36.000 Then you shoot one. 0.75

01:47:37.000 Then you're pulling its heart and liver out. 1.00

01:47:40.000 That's a fucking connection to me, isn't it? 0.99

01:47:42.000 Yeah, it's serious. 0.99

01:47:42.000 I also got a different respect for what a knife can do, which is weird. 0.99

01:47:46.000 Like, you go, wow, man.

01:47:47.000 They really do work.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, we talked about this.

01:47:50.000 You know, that's the thing that I found, like, being out with you on that trip, and then that I thought of from having...

01:47:58.000 I'm hunting with Tim Ferriss once.

01:48:00.000 People that have been fighters.

01:48:02.000 I'm not a fighter.

01:48:03.000 I've been hit a couple times, but I've never beaten anybody up or anything.

01:48:06.000 Well, I beat up one guy in ninth grade.

01:48:10.000 I think that you bring a level of calmness just to the act of shooting.

01:48:15.000 Being able to get down and shoot.

01:48:17.000 Some people...

01:48:19.000 Are so unable to control adrenaline and fear, they become they can't shoot.

01:48:28.000 I got a buddy who guides and he was saying that one time he took this guy up and they were hunting tar in New Zealand and the guy shot and my buddy's watching through his binoculars where the bullet hit and he showed me that someone was rolling a video when he did it and you hear my buddy say,

01:48:44.000 you're 20 feet high.

01:48:48.000 20 feet high.

01:48:50.000 20 feet high.

01:48:53.000 That's hilarious.

01:48:54.000 I think a lot of it's just the amount of time I've rehearsed.

01:48:57.000 He left his mind.

01:48:58.000 I would have been able to shoot that deer with the first time we saw him, but...

01:49:04.000 I didn't have enough practice with that scope, and I was too close to the scope.

01:49:09.000 You know how you get that weird thing?

01:49:11.000 I couldn't find him in there.

01:49:13.000 It was almost like two black half-moons crisscrossing over each other. 0.99

01:49:19.000 I couldn't get the image to be clear.

01:49:21.000 That more than anything else.

01:49:24.000 What is cause of beginner hunters not getting shots at things is the weird eye relief issues.

01:49:33.000 It becomes very second nature, but it's pretty precise where you put it.

01:49:36.000 And when you're in a weird position and things are happening fast, it's tough, man.

01:49:40.000 Yeah, for folks who don't know what we're saying, there's a scope on the top of the rifle, and if you're too close to that scope, it distorts your view, it fucks up.

01:49:46.000 You have to be just in the right spot.

01:49:49.000 And the first time we saw the deer, I couldn't get it in the right spot.

01:49:52.000 And then he went behind this little area and then came back out again, and when he came back out again, I was able to figure it out.

01:50:00.000 I pulled back a little bit.

01:50:02.000 I was like, oh, there it is.

01:50:03.000 But I was freaking out. 0.96

01:50:04.000 I was like, I can't fucking see this thing. 0.99

01:50:07.000 And if I lose this fucking deer because of this, I'll go crazy. 0.99

01:50:11.000 We have been stalking them for days. 1.00

01:50:13.000 That's the thing that comes into it.

01:50:14.000 Just wanting to get it done.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 I was desperate to go to the deer.

01:50:23.000 It's like the motivation that comes out, man.

01:50:25.000 There's a lot of things that come out in hunting that I think are applicable to life and work and stuff.

01:50:32.000 But when you've been out there a couple days and you start getting accustomed to that, I think it's easy to go for a day and walk away and be like, oh, that didn't happen.

01:50:40.000 You get a couple days into something, most people, what I would almost call a work ethic, or something comes up where you're like, you know, we've committed ourselves to this.

01:50:48.000 We've put time into it.

01:50:49.000 We're out here.

01:50:50.000 And you just want to make it happen, and it brings out a level of drive.

01:50:54.000 That's what happened to me.

01:50:55.000 And it feels so good to fulfill the goal, man.

01:50:57.000 That moment becomes such a gigantic, sweeping moment.

01:51:01.000 And that's why it's hard to stay calm, but it actually happens. 0.58

01:51:04.000 When you're building up with two days of fucking shitty camping, and one where it's raining and pouring outside, and it's cold every morning, and we're going to bed at like 8 because there's nothing to do. 0.92

01:51:16.000 It gets dark. 0.98

01:51:17.000 We all just go to bed.

01:51:17.000 And then we get up at like 6, 6 in the morning.

01:51:21.000 It was long days.

01:51:22.000 And then just wandering around trying to find a deer.

01:51:26.000 But one of the craziest visions was when we were on the top of one of those hills.

01:51:32.000 And you're looking around at the vastness of that area. 0.98

01:51:36.000 And man, was that fucking humbling. 0.96

01:51:39.000 We were standing, I don't know if you remember this, we were on the top of one of the hills, one of the first times you spotted a sheep. 0.99

01:51:44.000 You were glass in the area and you spotted a big sheep way the fuck away from us. 0.77

01:51:50.000 And when we're on top and we're looking around, you're up looking over at the vastness of this thing. 0.93

01:51:57.000 You could just start walking and starve to death and no one would ever find you.

01:52:03.000 No one would ever find you out there.

01:52:05.000 I thought about how cold it was all the time, and you're starving to death, and how you have no light. 1.00

01:52:09.000 You can keep that Stone Age shit. 0.99

01:52:12.000 You can keep that indigenous culture stuff. 1.00

01:52:14.000 I enjoyed it for five days, I'll tell you that.

01:52:16.000 It is a humbling area, though, man.

01:52:18.000 It's one of those cool areas that really, and again, we're talking about the Missouri Breaks region.

01:52:23.000 It's one of those cool areas that really just kind of on its own resisted development.

01:52:29.000 There's some spots that were so stunning that early on people were like, this is Yosemite, Yellowstone.

01:52:37.000 The momentum was always going toward hanging on to it.

01:52:41.000 People went there like, this is special.

01:52:43.000 We got hot guys shooting up out of the ground.

01:52:46.000 We should early on make sure to not screw this place up.

01:52:49.000 And there's some great areas in the US, like I would argue Hell's Canyon, the Missouri Breaks region, that just remained pure just through toughness and tenacity.

01:53:03.000 Everybody went in there and tried to do something.

01:53:06.000 And it's like one of those places where you go and it's like, they tried to do that, didn't work out.

01:53:10.000 Like, one of the things that that place is known for is that horse thieves used to just go there because they knew they could go hide out.

01:53:19.000 It was useful to them just as a place to hide out.

01:53:21.000 And there were some campaigns where it was like, we're going to go into the breaks, we're going to find them all, we're going to hang them from Cottonwoods, and they'd go down there and root out the guys.

01:53:29.000 And it was a spot that held wildlife for a long time.

01:53:33.000 It was a spot where some of the Plains tribes could go down and hide out in there.

01:53:38.000 And on the muscle shell that goes into that area, it was one of the last places they had free-roaming herds in Buffalo and Montana.

01:53:44.000 It was just like a spot where people would try to get a grip, and it just didn't hold.

01:53:49.000 And now, there's some protections there, but it's not categorically protected like a place like Yellowstone is.

01:53:56.000 But after a while, people almost kind of threw their hands up in the air.

01:54:00.000 And the interesting thing we were talking about is because it's...

01:54:01.000 But folks who don't know what you're saying, it's like...

01:54:03.000 The people trying to settle in that area couldn't live.

01:54:06.000 They couldn't run farms.

01:54:08.000 Couldn't grow stuff.

01:54:09.000 People would go in and try to do homesteads.

01:54:14.000 They'd try to run sheep in there.

01:54:14.000 How would that work?

01:54:15.000 The government says that if you stay on this land for X amount of time, it becomes yours?

01:54:18.000 Is that how it works?

01:54:19.000 Yeah, you do improvements on it.

01:54:21.000 You do improvement.

01:54:22.000 So there was all these homestead sites where we were walking around and we'd find these really old logs that, you know, used to be a side of a house.

01:54:30.000 Yeah, they'd be sheep shacks or side houses, root cellars. 0.98

01:54:34.000 It's fucking weird. 0.98

01:54:36.000 What's a root cellar? 0.99

01:54:37.000 Oh, it'd be like a climate-controlled area where you dig down into the ground, and you'd have a cool place to store things, or it'd also be freeze-proof, because you go down the dirt ways.

01:54:50.000 And then there's still a lot of old structures there to have side.

01:54:52.000 You can see that it had a side roof.

01:54:54.000 How far do you have to go into the ground before it becomes freeze-proof?

01:54:58.000 Well, however far down the frost line is.

01:55:00.000 When you put in, like, you know, people have a frost-free riser in their yard.

01:55:03.000 Most places, like in Michigan, remember, we'd only go to our frost-free riser, only went down 36 inches. 0.93

01:55:08.000 How fucked up is it that if you go deep in the ground, it stops being cold? 1.00

01:55:11.000 When you go deep enough, it'll burn your ass. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Yeah, but isn't that, is that why it is? 0.99

01:55:16.000 You're getting past the surface and it's getting closer to the lava?

01:55:18.000 Yeah, so like in Alaska, what they do is they dig down into the permafrost and use that for refrigeration all year.

01:55:24.000 Oh, wow, that's interesting.

01:55:28.000 But guys, you read about guys on the prairie that used to, they would in the winter hunt.

01:55:34.000 We're good to go.

01:56:00.000 Wow.

01:56:01.000 And then pile dirt on, let all that freeze up, and then it'd get warm out, and you could dig down there later and get the meat out. 0.99

01:56:06.000 Who's the fucking genius who figured that out? 0.99

01:56:08.000 That's brilliant. 0.99

01:56:09.000 What about worms and stuff?

01:56:10.000 I guess not.

01:56:11.000 Dude, I've been watching.

01:56:12.000 That's deep enough.

01:56:12.000 If you do it in the winter, it's not getting fly larva.

01:56:14.000 I mean, if you let flies land on it and it was hot on you, Barry, you'd have a mess on your hands.

01:56:18.000 But, you know, anybody knows if you dig a hole and put your hand on there, it's cool down there.

01:56:22.000 Yeah.

01:56:22.000 Wow.

01:56:23.000 I'm fascinated by these Alaska shows.

01:56:26.000 All these different subsistence shows.

01:56:27.000 Have you seen any of those?

01:56:28.000 Crafty ways of doing it.

01:56:29.000 Yukon men and all these different shows where these people just live up there and they've been living up there for generations.

01:56:35.000 Just, you know, trying to get by.

01:56:37.000 Killing rabbits and eating them. 0.77

01:56:39.000 Yeah, good lot of craftiness, man. 0.99

01:56:41.000 You've got to be a carnivore straight up with that.

01:56:43.000 Oh, 100%.

01:56:44.000 I mean, they grow some vegetables in the four months that they have to do so. 0.99

01:56:48.000 They have like a greenhouse and shit, but most of their food they're getting from, you know, shooting animals. 0.87

01:56:54.000 Where did the Native Americans, I know it varies in the country, but where did they get their vitamin C and their micronutrients? 0.99

01:57:00.000 Fresh meat, man.

01:57:01.000 GNC. You don't get scurvy eating fresh meat.

01:57:05.000 There's this amazing story.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, there's this amazing story.

01:57:08.000 It's the blood, the blood in it.

01:57:09.000 Yeah, dried meat loses it.

01:57:12.000 So even when you put fruit in it, if you're making fruit jerky, you put bananas in it to dehydrate or something, fruit loses vitamin C through dehydration.

01:57:20.000 There's some loss of it.

01:57:21.000 There's this amazing story about the French.

01:57:23.000 When the French started coming over here to engage in the fur trade and do all their exploring, and they were centered around a focal point of the St. Lawrence Seaway, Champlain, the guy that's now the father of New France, he had this idea where he was going to take orphans from Paris.

01:57:40.000 And bring them over and give them to the Indians, thinking that the kids already knew French. 1.00

01:57:45.000 He'd give them to the Indians, the Indians go take them off for a couple years, come back, and they'd be bilingual, and he'd be able to use these as emissaries, like ambassadors in trade.

01:57:54.000 And one of the first ones that we know about that he tried this with was this kid who's later, we now, people call him Etienne Brulee, gave them to the Indians.

01:58:04.000 And the first winter when Champlain and his people came over, they died like mad at scurvy all winter.

01:58:10.000 But this kid was supposed to go hang out at the Indians.

01:58:12.000 And so they would go out and fish through the ice and hunt.

01:58:15.000 And they were eating a meat diet.

01:58:16.000 But they had, I don't know, 24 fatalities that year.

01:58:20.000 The vast majority of the people all died.

01:58:22.000 The kid never died.

01:58:23.000 And everybody else was holed up in their cabins eating like hardtack and salt pork and stuff.

01:58:27.000 And this kid that was out roaming around eating fresh killed meat, He survived.

01:58:33.000 And then later went on to do all these amazing, made all these discoveries.

01:58:36.000 He was the first person to see Lake Superior, first person all over the Great Lakes.

01:58:39.000 Went down, all the way down the Susquehanna River.

01:58:42.000 Might have been the first white guy to ever lay eyes.

01:58:44.000 Susquehanna.

01:58:45.000 Was it Susquehanna?

01:58:46.000 Yeah, no, it is.

01:58:48.000 It's just Joey Diaz.

01:58:50.000 There was apparently something in Laurel and Hardy called the Susquehanna Hat Company.

01:58:56.000 And the Susquehanna Hat Company, like, they had shitty hats, and they'd put the hats on, and the top would pop off.

01:59:01.000 Like, this is really old stuff. 0.83

01:59:02.000 And Joey Diaz once went on this crazy rant for, like, ten minutes about how our weed was Susquehanna weed. 0.99

01:59:08.000 This fucking Susquehanna weed. 0.99

01:59:10.000 And I didn't know what he meant. 1.00

01:59:11.000 I thought he was talking about Hannah Montana.

01:59:13.000 So I was totally confused. 0.99

01:59:15.000 I was like, what the fuck are you saying? 0.99

01:59:16.000 Still funny, by the way. 1.00

01:59:17.000 This fucking Susquehanna weed you got, you're feeding me over here. 0.99

01:59:21.000 But anyways, they eventually ate this kid. 1.00

01:59:23.000 They ate them?

01:59:23.000 The Iroquois did, yeah.

01:59:25.000 That was common.

01:59:26.000 That was another fascinating thing.

01:59:27.000 They ate them on the Georgian Bay, man.

01:59:28.000 You told me that a lot of the tribes of the Great Lakes, like cannibalism, it was fairly common out there, huh?

01:59:33.000 Yeah, man.

01:59:34.000 They'd quarter people out.

01:59:36.000 Wait a minute.

01:59:36.000 What tribes were doing this?

01:59:39.000 Well, the Iroquois ate brulee.

01:59:41.000 Wow.

01:59:43.000 See, he wound up going totally feral.

01:59:46.000 He went totally native.

01:59:47.000 And the French even... 0.86

01:59:49.000 The French even disowned him.

01:59:51.000 They complained.

01:59:53.000 He'd come back for the trading season with the Indians and they complained that his morality had conformed to the tribes.

02:00:00.000 Like you're going to turn a 13-year-old Over to an indigenous culture and go away for a couple years and he's going to come back still acting like a French Catholic. 0.95

02:00:10.000 It's kind of ludicrous. 0.95

02:00:11.000 Tarzan. 0.80

02:00:12.000 It's the story of Tarzan.

02:00:12.000 Yeah, they were really upset that he came back and he was very promiscuous in his hair.

02:00:16.000 He changed his hair and wore native dress.

02:00:18.000 Sounds modern.

02:00:19.000 Yeah, so he integrated.

02:00:20.000 And eventually he got into a...

02:00:23.000 Legend has it.

02:00:24.000 I don't know how much they really know about what happened.

02:00:26.000 Legend has it.

02:00:26.000 He got in a dispute over a woman up on Georgian Bay on Lake Huron and they cooked them and ate them.

02:00:32.000 Jesus Christ.

02:00:33.000 And they would boil them.

02:00:34.000 So what these guys would do in this area, like a lot of these tribes in the Great Lakes area, they would, sometimes they would just carry captives in the boat live and And then butcher them when you wanted to eat them. 0.97

02:00:48.000 Or they would raid an area and butcher everyone and just stack the quarters in the bowls.

02:00:54.000 So there's accounts of people talking about human legs stacked up in boats just as traveling food.

02:00:59.000 Brutal, man.

02:01:00.000 Oh, my God.

02:01:00.000 And then all that stuff you're talking about, like, making people eat parts of themselves and, you know, like, cutting off their fingers and making them eat your finger or, you know, like...

02:01:08.000 Having a big sport out of it.

02:01:11.000 Stuff that's incomprehensible now, man.

02:01:14.000 But people argue, you know, anthropologists argue that all that violence had some societal function.

02:01:23.000 The societal function of capitalism.

02:01:26.000 Stacking legs in a boat for travel food. 1.00

02:01:30.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:01:31.000 Yeah, we were in New Zealand filming in New Zealand. 0.97

02:01:33.000 We went and looked at this island and this big lake and What they say is that the indigenous people in New Zealand and South Island, who hadn't even been there that long, but they had been there, some people had come from the North Island and conquered the people in the South Island and would keep stocks of them out on this island and staked out.

02:01:55.000 And when they wanted one, they'd paddle out and get them and eat them.

02:01:58.000 Jesus Christ.

02:02:00.000 It's like the road, man.

02:02:01.000 It's like Cormac McCarthy's The Road.

02:02:03.000 But it's kind of fascinating that I got to the road.

02:02:06.000 I watched the movie until he was showing the kid how to shoot himself in the mouth.

02:02:09.000 And I went, nope.

02:02:10.000 No, thank you. 1.00

02:02:11.000 I don't need this fucking visual in my brain. 0.98

02:02:14.000 But the idea that this was happening on a really regular basis is really not... 0.99

02:02:21.000 A lot of people don't know that.

02:02:22.000 That's not in the folklore of the Native American.

02:02:25.000 It's never discussed.

02:02:26.000 It's always...

02:02:27.000 They were in one with nature and how and they were peaceful to the white man.

02:02:31.000 They were human.

02:02:33.000 That's what they were.

02:02:34.000 I know it's so hard to come to grips to what happened to the indigenous peoples here.

02:02:39.000 It's so hard to come to grips to it that people wind up going In wild directions.

02:02:45.000 It's like that it was just brutal savagery, you know, and it was this awful existence, or that it was just this like peaceful, harmonious existence.

02:02:53.000 It was complicated.

02:02:55.000 It's really hard to just be like, you know what, there were complex and varied cultures That lived here.

02:03:02.000 Yeah.

02:03:03.000 That were human.

02:03:05.000 All too human, but warts and all, right?

02:03:07.000 Well, the Sioux, you know, the idea, the word Sioux means Indian, and Indian means enemy.

02:03:13.000 They call themselves the Lakota people.

02:03:15.000 The word Sioux apparently was what the other Indians called them.

02:03:19.000 Wow.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, there's a similar thing with Eskimo as a derogatory term.

02:03:23.000 The Athabascan people would refer to the coastal people as, you know, eaters of raw fish or whatever, and it became like a derogatory term.

02:03:31.000 It's really crazy when you stop and think about the idea that up until, whatever it was, 14,000 years ago, the first people...

02:03:38.000 When did the Vikings get here?

02:03:41.000 You mean the first Europeans? 0.65

02:03:43.000 14,000 years ago was the first humans here in North America.

02:03:47.000 14,000?

02:03:47.000 The first humans, you know.

02:03:48.000 Just think about these people that lived like no one else in a big continent anywhere in the world.

02:03:55.000 They traveled the entire thing, and they had all these little tribes, and they were hunting, and they were all living this crazy sort of hunting-gathering lifestyle, like an entire continent filled with people doing it.

02:04:07.000 It's really fascinating.

02:04:09.000 By the way, according to a lot of scholars, they believe that there were 20-plus million Native Americans.

02:04:14.000 Well, the thing that gets me is the buffalo.

02:04:18.000 The episode that you shot Wild Buffalo in Mexico, that was a fascinating episode and it made me really stop and think about when you were describing the imagery of what it used to look like seeing buffaloes roam across the country.

02:04:35.000 It would be like the shadows from giant clouds, just like the entire land would be covered in buffalo.

02:04:43.000 And this is how it was for these fucking people that lived here for, what, 10,000 years or something? 0.98

02:04:49.000 For whenever the water, the ice thawed and became the Great Lakes. 0.99

02:04:52.000 They experienced an apocalypse of sorts, right? 0.99

02:04:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like fucking Avatar. 0.99

02:04:57.000 It's the Avatar movie. 0.99

02:04:59.000 I mean, it really is. 1.00

02:04:59.000 It's crazy shit. 1.00

02:05:00.000 If you really stop and think about the fact that the entire continent has all these people, Living this, what we think of as a very romantic life. 1.00

02:05:09.000 Camping with leather teepees and shit and out there making fire and dancing and hunting. 0.99

02:05:16.000 It's pretty nuts. 0.99

02:05:17.000 The rest of the country is shooting cannonballs off of boats.

02:05:20.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:05:20.000 They're fucking developing eyeglasses and navigating the seas and giant hemp sails and medicine. 0.99

02:05:30.000 And these fucking people are riding around We weren't even riding on horses, right? 1.00

02:05:34.000 They weren't even until the Spaniards came. 0.99

02:05:36.000 It's funny that so many guys that hunt become interested in early cultures.

02:05:45.000 It's obvious that if you like to hunt animals, you become interested in hunter-gatherer societies.

02:05:51.000 But Just to look at it, not from that, just from how great the hunting must have been, but to look at it from other aspects.

02:05:58.000 To live with the Plains Indians, the proximity to death, unless you live in the most war-torn region of the world today, you probably can't fathom the proximity to death that you lived around. 1.00

02:06:13.000 It's so weird now.

02:06:14.000 Our culture is so easy and so soft.

02:06:17.000 I always meet people who are in their 30s and 40s, and they'll be like, I've never seen a dead person.

02:06:22.000 Like, you can go through life and not lay eyes on a dead person.

02:06:26.000 I didn't see a dead person, I think, like real close up until my grandfather died.

02:06:31.000 And then he was, they embalmed him.

02:06:34.000 So it didn't even seem real at all.

02:06:36.000 They had makeup on him.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, it's weird.

02:06:38.000 It's really strange.

02:06:39.000 Yeah, I didn't recognize my grandfather.

02:06:41.000 Ooh, and they're hard, deaf as a rock, and they just seem like these weird empty vessels. 1.00

02:06:47.000 Well, because what they do is, don't they suck you dry? 0.98

02:06:49.000 I mean... 0.56

02:06:49.000 Yeah, they drain you and then they use formaldehyde, I guess. 0.56

02:06:55.000 Don't they do it with an IV drip or some shit like that? 0.92

02:06:58.000 I don't know how they get in the veins with the formaldehyde. 0.99

02:07:02.000 I think I want to be cremated. 1.00

02:07:04.000 Yeah, it's fucking gross. 1.00

02:07:05.000 I want to be ditched out in the woods, man. 0.99

02:07:07.000 That's what I'd like the most.

02:07:08.000 Have you ever seen the Tibetan sky burial?

02:07:10.000 Yes.

02:07:11.000 I like the sound of it.

02:07:13.000 Jamie, pull up some images of the Tibetan sky burial.

02:07:16.000 What they do is they take a body and they quarter it, they chop it up, they smash the bones down, and then they leave it out there for the vultures.

02:07:26.000 And the vultures come in there and essentially pick everything clean.

02:07:30.000 I could trust my brothers to do it.

02:07:32.000 I just trust them implicitly.

02:07:34.000 But they're older than me, so they'd be too old.

02:07:36.000 But I'd be like, if I knew someone I could really trust, and I said, when I die, I want you just to take my body.

02:07:43.000 Out to an area with a lot of bears and stuff and just chop it up real good and just stir it into the ground.

02:07:49.000 Just, you know, and like that way.

02:07:51.000 Even though I'd be dead and wouldn't even know what actually happened, it would just be nice to have it be that as I was dying, to be like, that that will happen to me.

02:07:59.000 Would you even want to be chopped up?

02:08:02.000 I don't want people to stumble across my remains and call 911. Oh, yeah.

02:08:06.000 If they just leave you out there, it's like someone's going to then find you, then they're going to go out there and just be a big investigation and The question about finding animals, about finding dead mountain lions and finding bears, is that because when they know they're going to die, they go somewhere and squirrely and tuck away where no one's going to find them?

02:08:22.000 Is that it?

02:08:23.000 You see them when you get a bad hit on an animal.

02:08:27.000 Right, right, right.

02:08:27.000 You get a bad hit on an animal, and if you get a hit on an animal with a bow or firearm, and he lives beyond that initial rush...

02:08:38.000 They're usually going to die tucked away somewhere.

02:08:41.000 They go into the thick stuff.

02:08:42.000 You'll find stuff tucked up under junipers.

02:08:46.000 This year, after we went out about hunting deer in Montana and found where a really beautiful big buck, I just happened to stumble into it.

02:08:58.000 Obviously, I feel like he'd been hit because he had a perforated antler.

02:09:04.000 Someone had shot at him, my take home, someone had shot at him and hit that antler with a bullet because he had a big bullet type wound on his antler, like a bullet hitting wood, but it cracked his skull plate.

02:09:19.000 Whoa.

02:09:19.000 So it didn't kill him immediately.

02:09:21.000 But he was so tucked up under this juniper bush that he just laid up under there to hide like he knew he was vulnerable and just died up there.

02:09:29.000 I think it happens all the time, man.

02:09:31.000 It seems to make sense, especially hunting.

02:09:34.000 Because they don't want to get hit by a predator.

02:09:35.000 They know they're down.

02:09:36.000 But what about when predators die, like bears or big cats?

02:09:41.000 I found bear skulls.

02:09:47.000 I've never found a fresh, dead enough bear to really tell what its positioning was when it was dead.

02:09:52.000 But I've found a number of remains of bears, but never where I knew that this is its spot it had gone to.

02:09:59.000 But like I said, if you get a hit on something with a bow and you don't kill the meat, like you may be hitting the liver or hit it somewhere where it's going to live a little while, when you find it, you'll generally find it where it didn't die on the run.

02:10:09.000 It laid down and died.

02:10:11.000 And when it laid down, they're usually pretty careful to get tucked away somewhere.

02:10:14.000 It can be tough to find stuff.

02:10:16.000 When an animal like this dies, this deer dies, if it left its body behind, would eventually something eat the bones of the head as well?

02:10:22.000 Yeah, you know what you wind up with?

02:10:23.000 You wind up with this right here, often times.

02:10:28.000 The base?

02:10:29.000 Yep.

02:10:30.000 This is real thick.

02:10:31.000 You'll see this.

02:10:31.000 So they can't chew through that.

02:10:32.000 They'll eat this.

02:10:33.000 We one time...

02:10:34.000 I remember one time...

02:10:35.000 But for the folks at home that are listening, we're talking about the base of a deer's skull.

02:10:40.000 So I guess the base is the hard spot.

02:10:42.000 Yeah, around that frame.

02:10:43.000 You see that more than anything else.

02:10:45.000 You see like...

02:10:46.000 Can I get this where you can see it?

02:10:47.000 The problem is most people are listening and they're not...

02:10:50.000 Oh, they're not seeing it.

02:10:51.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:10:51.000 Most people are getting this off of iTunes or they're listening to it on Sirius.

02:10:55.000 So the part on a...

02:10:57.000 The part you find most often when you see a kill that's been consumed is you find where the spinal cord enters the skull.

02:11:05.000 That thick-boned area right there extending up and to around the base of the antlers, around a non-antlered game, around a horned game, extending up to what would be kind of the space up between the ears.

02:11:16.000 It's just thick and doesn't get consumed.

02:11:18.000 But one time I remember we killed, my brother and I killed a cow elk.

02:11:24.000 This is in Montana, southwest Montana, an area with a lot of grizzlies.

02:11:27.000 We killed a cow elk and went back a week later to see what had happened, and grizzlies had been on it.

02:11:34.000 They had eaten the hide.

02:11:37.000 Whoa.

02:11:38.000 They had eaten all the bones.

02:11:40.000 The only part we could find was just a disc of bone with the center of the remaining piece of bone was where the spinal cord passes into the skull, that heavy-boned area, the frame and magnum, I think it was the word.

02:11:52.000 And a donut-sized chunk of bone like that.

02:11:55.000 And you could tell that it didn't just go away.

02:11:58.000 That it wasn't like it drugged it somewhere we couldn't find it. 0.99

02:12:00.000 Because you could account for all that hide and all that bone in the shit that was left there. 0.99

02:12:08.000 It was all there. 0.99

02:12:10.000 And it was like a sow and some cubs or something got on it.

02:12:12.000 And it was all still there.

02:12:14.000 That trip, we went and killed another elk.

02:12:18.000 We're good to go.

02:12:33.000 Black bear or a grizzly make a kill, they'll eat that soft tissue first. 0.91

02:12:37.000 So they rip its belly open, lungs, heart, liver. 0.96

02:12:41.000 And generally, what they'll do is when they cover it with grass, some people even say that somehow when they cover it with a little bit of dirt or cover it in grass, aids decomposition.

02:12:53.000 And they'll lay around on it.

02:12:55.000 They defecate on it.

02:12:57.000 You know, other things. 0.54

02:12:58.000 And they'll eat it as it goes back.

02:13:00.000 To get the bacteria.

02:13:00.000 So they don't generally.

02:13:02.000 It's said that they don't generally kill it and immediately start eating red meat.

02:13:07.000 Lions, different.

02:13:08.000 Like, lions don't like all that rotten meat.

02:13:10.000 Lions like fresh stuff.

02:13:11.000 But the bears like pretty rotten stuff, man.

02:13:15.000 I remember one time being, again, I can't remember what we were doing.

02:13:19.000 We were hunting for something or another.

02:13:22.000 On Prince of Wales Island, the shack we own.

02:13:24.000 I remember watching wolves.

02:13:26.000 You think of wolves eating fresh meat.

02:13:29.000 A wolf, throughout the year, takes seven pounds of meat a day to keep that thing alive.

02:13:33.000 But we sat there watching four wolves eating salmon.

02:13:38.000 This is after the spawning run.

02:13:40.000 This is in the fall.

02:13:41.000 And they're eating salmon that are so rotten that they're in a pudding-like consistency, a pudding-like state.

02:13:47.000 And just putrid, like, I can't even imagine.

02:13:51.000 Like, putrid, like, it would take, if you walk through one of these areas, one of these stream miles where all these sand were laying dead, I have a strong stomach.

02:14:00.000 I would need an hour or two before I could eat.

02:14:03.000 Really?

02:14:04.000 It was just overpowering.

02:14:06.000 And watching these wolves basically lapping up, Salmon soup.

02:14:11.000 Putting salmon rot into a pudding-like consistency.

02:14:14.000 You're like, I can try to be an animal.

02:14:16.000 I can try to think like an animal, be an animal, become animalistic.

02:14:19.000 Not like that, man.

02:14:21.000 You need serious enzymes in your stomach and mouth to be able to handle that and not get sick, too.

02:14:26.000 They can do it.

02:14:27.000 Their whole bodies are designed for that.

02:14:29.000 It's a mystery.

02:14:29.000 They're like the cleanup crew.

02:14:31.000 Yeah.

02:14:31.000 The bears are like the cleanup crew.

02:14:33.000 The fact that they can eat your bones like that.

02:14:35.000 Yeah, they just crush them up, man.

02:14:37.000 Just eat everything, swallow it up.

02:14:38.000 You know, they say like hyenas, you know, there's a relationship in Africa between cheetahs and hyenas.

02:14:46.000 Where cheetahs will make a kill, they can't crush the bone. 1.00

02:14:50.000 And hyenas can go in and they can just hang out and wait because they know that when that's done, they'll be the first in there and they can crush bone.

02:14:57.000 And I don't know if this theory is in fashion anymore, but it used to be in fashion, that Early hominids, like early humans, seemed to appear in the fossil record outside of Africa at a time that was contemporaneous with the appearance of saber-toothed cats.

02:15:18.000 The thinking being that these saber-toothed cats weren't able to crush bone because of the makeup of their dental structure, their teeth.

02:15:26.000 They couldn't crush bone, and they were really effective predators, and people had become accustomed to following saber-toothed cats.

02:15:33.000 To scavenge bone marrow and things that they left behind.

02:15:36.000 I read this long ago.

02:15:38.000 I don't know if that's been debunked by other finds.

02:15:42.000 They're leaving kills out there.

02:15:45.000 We always hear the term apex predator.

02:15:48.000 There's a lot of benefits to being the apex scavenger.

02:15:51.000 Which is...

02:15:53.000 After the top dog does what he's going to do, who gets to be there first?

02:15:58.000 Right, how much can they eat of an elk?

02:15:59.000 Yeah, so like, if wolves kill an elk and get what they want off it, there's a big benefit to whoever comes along behind it.

02:16:08.000 Because you get to scroll up.

02:16:10.000 Yeah, and it's the little guys that come later, you know what I mean?

02:16:13.000 It's the little guys that come later, but first there's like a coyote hanging there and he's like, when he's done, I'm in there, man.

02:16:18.000 And then you guys get in line behind me, you know?

02:16:20.000 It's fascinating that there's a balance to that system, that the wolves want the fresh meat, but the bears want the rotten meat.

02:16:25.000 It's really interesting.

02:16:27.000 It's amazing how the system is so covered.

02:16:30.000 It's got all the bases covered.

02:16:31.000 The area where we were, the breaks, the Missouri River, was like the most...

02:16:37.000 It's a hostile place for life I think I've ever been to in this country.

02:16:42.000 Yeah, it's wickedly cold, wickedly hot.

02:16:44.000 And not much to eat.

02:16:46.000 Not much there.

02:16:48.000 No, it was a place for carnivores, man.

02:16:53.000 There's some edible wild plants, but people in there...

02:16:56.000 Would go in there and historically, I mean, like, you know, Lewis and Clark went through there.

02:17:01.000 And generally, people traveling through there would have fantastic luck with hunting.

02:17:11.000 It doesn't look like it.

02:17:12.000 It's still got a lot of animals today.

02:17:14.000 But something about that river, it was just game down there.

02:17:17.000 Things went through there.

02:17:18.000 There's not a lot of water in that area, so it's a reliable place to find water.

02:17:22.000 It's a great place for hunting.

02:17:24.000 And in other things, a lot of agricultural practices and stuff, not so great.

02:17:28.000 But it's always been a place for hunter-gatherers.

02:17:31.000 You clued me into what it used to be, that it used to be a gigantic ocean.

02:17:35.000 And that is really crazy.

02:17:37.000 I'd heard of them finding fossilized ancient teeth of different fish, and I think one of them was a megalodon.

02:17:44.000 You saw the clamshells we were finding.

02:17:46.000 I was convinced it was a mining operation.

02:17:49.000 When we got there.

02:17:50.000 I was dead serious.

02:17:51.000 I was kind of dead serious.

02:17:52.000 I was like, you see those hills?

02:17:53.000 That's for mining. 0.93

02:17:54.000 Oh, no, man.

02:17:55.000 It's a river here.

02:17:55.000 The river can do that thing.

02:17:56.000 The expert over here.

02:17:58.000 The mining expert, Brian Callen.

02:17:59.000 That's a classic example of me when I get a little excited.

02:18:02.000 I'm like, I know everything.

02:18:03.000 Those are track marks.

02:18:05.000 But it is interesting.

02:18:06.000 They call it the Breaks because it was that you're on the bench of the Great Plains and the Missouri Breaks is where the landscape seems to break and crumble away down into the canyon of the Missouri River.

02:18:21.000 And it's just deeply incised.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:18:25.000 Yeah, it was a fascinating place, man.

02:18:27.000 If you don't see this, there's these gray hills, and it's basically these gigantic mountains of silt.

02:18:35.000 And what's really weird is there's patches of timber and stuff inside of them, but as you're climbing it, especially After it's rained, it's all mud.

02:18:45.000 All clay.

02:18:45.000 Yeah, it's this weird, heavy clay stuff.

02:18:48.000 They call it an expandable clay.

02:18:49.000 It gets wet and swells, you know?

02:18:51.000 And it does seem, you'd look at it, like you'd look at the breaks from the water, and it feels like, you use the term loosely, but it feels like you're in the mountains.

02:18:58.000 It's mountainous.

02:18:59.000 But it's almost like the opposite of mountains.

02:19:01.000 It's like, you know, mountains would be something that rolls up, like geologic pressures are pushed up.

02:19:06.000 But the breaks is the absence of It's like the absence of topsoil.

02:19:11.000 Yeah.

02:19:11.000 Something was like washed away.

02:19:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:19:13.000 It was similar to the Grand Canyon.

02:19:14.000 Like the Grand Canyon is a very rugged place, but it's just because you – not that you added stuff.

02:19:18.000 You took stuff away and dug this pit, man.

02:19:20.000 Well, it was easy to climb that stuff.

02:19:21.000 Like I'd look back at how much ground me and Ryan had covered.

02:19:25.000 It was like a lot.

02:19:26.000 Like you'd be like – it doesn't seem like you can climb the top of that mountain or whatever it was in front of you.

02:19:30.000 And you could because you could get a foothold.

02:19:32.000 Yes, it's nice that way.

02:19:33.000 Until it gets wet, then it's hell, man.

02:19:35.000 But one of the things that I just realized is how difficult it is to actually keep warm, unless you're moving. 1.00

02:19:41.000 But when you stop moving, you know, and you're outside, it kicks your ass. 0.99

02:19:46.000 I mean, did you spend a lot of time cold? 0.99

02:19:48.000 Yeah, no, I get cold.

02:19:51.000 That's just a basic survival element that...

02:19:57.000 It's like when you're out and conditions are poor, you know, and you have, you know, especially cold with some humidity, like it was overcast, it was a little bit wet feeling, even though it's a very arid, dry area, it was a little bit, there was a lot of humidity on our trip.

02:20:10.000 It's just like the only time you're comfortable is when you're out and moving.

02:20:13.000 But it's a little bit paradoxical because when you get cold and uncomfortable, your inclination is to huddle into yourself.

02:20:22.000 It's harder to get out of your bag in the morning.

02:20:24.000 You're paralyzed by the cold and paralyzed by how uncomfortable you are.

02:20:29.000 But you notice that the minute you start hiking up a hill, You feel great.

02:20:33.000 And you could be out there all day and you're having a good time and you stop and you feel like hell.

02:20:37.000 And when you feel like hell, it's hard to get motivated to do it again.

02:20:41.000 And I think that something that comes from spending a lot of time uncomfortable is just that you get in your head that you just got to move.

02:20:47.000 And I think that when I've hunted in really cold weather, you try not to do anything You get up in the morning and you go immediately from your sleeping bag to be moving.

02:20:56.000 And when it's time to eat, you just stop for a minute and eat while moving.

02:20:59.000 You would never stop for meal time.

02:21:01.000 Because you just got to be on the move, man.

02:21:04.000 So that's the only way you're going to be able to deal with that cold.

02:21:07.000 And you feel great.

02:21:08.000 One of the things that we talked about when we did this trip was that I was never tired during the day.

02:21:13.000 Or I wanted to take a nap or something.

02:21:15.000 It's like the idea of getting up in the morning and just hiking around all day, but yet all the time completely alert, all the time completely like we were wide awake.

02:21:28.000 Whereas like, you know, if you have a regular job or whatever you do, after five or six hours you're like, oh, get me the fuck out of here.

02:21:35.000 You start yawning and stretching.

02:21:37.000 I didn't ever feel like I needed to take a nap.

02:21:39.000 And we got into this really weird regular cycle where we were going to bed at like 8 o'clock.

02:21:43.000 And I would go right to sleep.

02:21:45.000 And I would wake up early in the morning.

02:21:46.000 It was like this weird sort of natural cycle that you fell into.

02:21:50.000 It was also the first time we'd ever been living by natural light.

02:21:53.000 Not only natural light, but we weren't around any of our beeping gadgets.

02:21:57.000 Nothing.

02:21:57.000 I wonder if that has something to do with it.

02:21:58.000 Oh, fuck yeah, it does. 0.99

02:21:59.000 Radio frequencies. 1.00

02:22:00.000 I think it's a huge part, man.

02:22:01.000 I think you find something...

02:22:04.000 I mean, just think about, just in a sense, like, how much we were just, like, our physical beings were shaped by that lifestyle, you know, of operating according to daylight hours, you know, being out in search of food.

02:22:18.000 I don't mean to get, you know, I don't mean to get all like, you know, New agey. 0.92

02:22:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:24.000 I don't mean to get all like, nostalgia, new agey, those are good words for it.

02:22:28.000 But, when you're out doing that kind of thing, you're out like hunting, on the land, using your senses, looking for food, you start making sense to yourself.

02:22:40.000 I think you could be like, it's safe to say that there's something about me that really thrives on this.

02:22:46.000 It's like there's something about me that just likes this kind of routine.

02:22:49.000 I think most people find it.

02:22:51.000 A primal thing that's just ingrained in our system that from the hunter-gatherer days of the war, it's like all a part of us.

02:22:57.000 I mean, just think about what we know about selective pressures.

02:23:03.000 There's an enormous amount of selective pressure on being able to do that kind of stuff.

02:23:07.000 I think that now people would argue that the new life we have now in technology, we're under new kinds of selective pressures.

02:23:13.000 You know, there's probably right now those of us who are going to thrive, you know, those of us who are going to thrive are adapted to a technological society.

02:23:21.000 But now it's not tied in now to birth.

02:23:24.000 You know, it used to be that we had such low life expectancies and high mortality rates that it was the people that could thrive, the really good hunters, were the ones that had access to females, they had young.

02:23:34.000 Now, you know, it's kind of a given that You're going to have reproductive possibilities.

02:23:40.000 You can be the biggest loser in the world and not do anything, and you can still get people pregnant and have kids. 0.98

02:23:46.000 So I think that selective pressures don't work on us now like they used to.

02:23:49.000 But for a long time, we were shaped by you had to be a productive member of your culture.

02:23:55.000 You had to be a productive member of your clan.

02:23:57.000 In order to have the kind of cash aid that was necessary to be able to breed women. 1.00

02:24:01.000 When I lived in Massachusetts, it was my fishing phase.

02:24:04.000 I went into a phase of my childhood where I go fishing every day.

02:24:07.000 I was a member of the Bass Angler Sportsman Society, the whole deal.

02:24:10.000 I spent all my free time fishing for a couple of years.

02:24:13.000 Loved it. 0.96

02:24:14.000 And it was some fucking visceral thrill, I think, of hooking one of my first fishes. 0.99

02:24:20.000 You know what? 0.99

02:24:21.000 Fishes?

02:24:21.000 I said fishes.

02:24:22.000 Fish. 1.00

02:24:23.000 I know what it is, stupid. 1.00

02:24:24.000 Fishies. 1.00

02:24:26.000 But that visceral thrill, whatever it was, it was so shocking to me, you know, that to this day, like, I'll look back and think of that. 0.99

02:24:35.000 I'm like, that's got to be some, like, ancient DNA shit. 0.97

02:24:38.000 Like he got the fish. 0.99

02:24:39.000 Yeah, man.

02:24:39.000 It's like gambling.

02:24:41.000 Like, you don't know what's going to come around the next corner.

02:24:43.000 When I saw my first buck...

02:24:45.000 I think it was the third day.

02:24:46.000 I got so excited.

02:24:48.000 From where I looked at, it looked like it was a world record buck.

02:24:52.000 It was a 50-point buck.

02:24:54.000 Literally, I went, there's a buck, there's a buck.

02:24:56.000 And I had that thing in my scope, and my scope was moving around so much because I got so heated and adrenaline up that I had buck fever.

02:25:05.000 I could not shoot that deer.

02:25:07.000 Oh, really?

02:25:07.000 No, I was like, and Ryan had to grab that.

02:25:09.000 He was like, you're going to injure it.

02:25:10.000 Don't, because I was going to start squeezing rounds off blindly, which is wrong.

02:25:13.000 But I was so excited.

02:25:15.000 You know, and then you get addicted to that.

02:25:17.000 The other thing you get addicted to is that when you look, when you glass, when you take your binoculars and you're looking out, looking for like an antler or an ear or anything, you start looking at things more intensely and differently.

02:25:28.000 Like you have almost new eyes.

02:25:30.000 Like you're looking at things, you know, the way you don't usually look at things.

02:25:34.000 You're paying attention to everything.

02:25:35.000 And I think that keys you in.

02:25:37.000 It keys you in.

02:25:38.000 You start forgetting about yourself.

02:25:40.000 That's kind of refreshing.

02:25:41.000 Yeah, you see stuff like to look...

02:25:44.000 To look out, to be on the look for game, like you're out there ostensibly, you're looking for deer, but everything starts to pop to you.

02:25:50.000 Yeah.

02:25:51.000 Because you're paying attention to things.

02:25:53.000 And also, another thing I think about all the time, like in a place like The Breaks, is because the landscape might seem to some people redundant.

02:26:02.000 Mm-hmm.

02:26:02.000 You know?

02:26:03.000 It's, like, a lot of the same thing.

02:26:04.000 It's just, like, row upon row upon row of a hill that looks its way and sandstone bluffs.

02:26:09.000 And it's, like, everything, like, looks the same.

02:26:11.000 But what you're looking for through all that is just, like, little subtle differences.

02:26:15.000 And I think it's, like, the lack of activity at some times helps you hone in and look at things much more carefully.

02:26:22.000 I think it'd be that if you ever notice, if you walk into a really crowded...

02:26:28.000 You get to the other end and you sometimes realize that you didn't ever actually really look at anything.

02:26:36.000 It was so much.

02:26:39.000 You came away with impressions, a sense of noise, a sense of what you saw, snippets, but there's nothing that you ever...

02:26:46.000 Like, detailed in on it.

02:26:48.000 And when you're in those places, and I would argue that, like, the Arctic is a little bit this way.

02:26:52.000 I think, you know, areas of Montana this way.

02:26:55.000 It's just like a place that people might look at and be like, oh, it's just nothing.

02:26:58.000 It's just grass.

02:26:59.000 Right.

02:27:00.000 You know, but when there's a deer out on that, you can focus in on that thing and experience that thing in a way that you just don't get to do.

02:27:06.000 To an alien, the difference between...

02:27:09.000 A human life, living and walking through a mall, that experience, and the human out there on the breaks, in the Missouri breaks, like, you want to talk about two completely different...

02:27:21.000 Well, yeah, Juan Enrique says that he thinks that part of maybe the epidemic of people who have hypervigilant central nervous systems and are becoming, like, weirdly autistic might be that we're evolving because human beings today experience more stimulus in one day than they did in a lifetime.

02:27:37.000 It can only make sense.

02:27:39.000 I mean, how else could you process the information that just comes from a television?

02:27:45.000 What are you designed to really see? 0.98

02:27:48.000 You're not really designed to sit in front of a fucking television and take in Lord of the Rings. 0.98

02:27:54.000 You're not really designed for that. 0.98

02:27:56.000 That's all these signals that are firing off your reward systems and Getting your dopamine levels and your adrenaline levels up and you're getting engaged in the action.

02:28:06.000 That's a crazy thing.

02:28:07.000 It's almost like it's a step away from a simulated reality, but it's really moving in that direction.

02:28:12.000 You get these gigantic thrill rushes from a giant television.

02:28:18.000 It's weird, weird stuff when you stop and think about the impact that it has on the way we...

02:28:24.000 Visualize our world.

02:28:25.000 Because so many people visualize their world as if it's some sort of like a plot in a movie.

02:28:30.000 They see the whole thing like a plot in a movie.

02:28:34.000 Did we talk about the Unabomber's Manifesto?

02:28:38.000 Yeah, we did.

02:28:39.000 There's some interesting elements to that.

02:28:41.000 I remember I took this class in college called political rhetoric.

02:28:47.000 We read various pieces.

02:28:48.000 Everything from Martin Luther King to the Unabomber. 0.72

02:28:50.000 And the new bomber had this point that I was, you know, as messed up as the guy was, he had this point that resonated with me where he talked about that he looked at, like, levels of difficulty.

02:29:00.000 And there'd be, I can't remember what way it went, if it went up or down, but let's just say a level one difficulty was, like, no matter how hard you try, you'll fail.

02:29:07.000 Okay, that's, like, absolute difficult.

02:29:10.000 There'd be level two is, like, if you try super, super hard, you have a slight chance of success.

02:29:16.000 On down to, if you don't try at all, you'll still succeed.

02:29:19.000 It would be like these five levels of difficulty.

02:29:21.000 His gripe with technology was that technology had brought human existence to the level five.

02:29:27.000 It's like you don't even have to try to succeed.

02:29:30.000 You're just going to be alive now.

02:29:31.000 You're going to be alive.

02:29:32.000 You'll reproduce. 0.87

02:29:33.000 You don't need to do anything.

02:29:35.000 You're just taken care of.

02:29:37.000 We've got food surpluses, social safety nets, everything.

02:29:41.000 And he argued that all of our...

02:29:43.000 As neurotic as he was, he argued that all of our neuroses came from...

02:29:48.000 That all that energy we were supposed to be spending to maybe survive was just now spent running amok in our brain.

02:29:58.000 We can't handle the free time that technology allows us.

02:30:03.000 And that's why he advocated for this...

02:30:05.000 Human beings definitely need conflict.

02:30:07.000 You know, this reactionary existence where you can go back to like this, you know, an agrarian, in his mind, environmental sense.

02:30:13.000 Or just try to get your black belt in jiu-jitsu.

02:30:15.000 Bingo, that's what I'm talking about.

02:30:17.000 I think you can avoid it.

02:30:18.000 Yeah, like really hard goals.

02:30:19.000 Yes, yes.

02:30:20.000 You need tasks.

02:30:21.000 You need things to do.

02:30:22.000 Learn a language.

02:30:23.000 I'm most happy when I'm going like this.

02:30:26.000 That's what I'm most happy when I'm going.

02:30:28.000 If I'm not involved in something, if something's not stimulating me, whether it's training, doing something different, trying something, the hunting experience was a perfect example of that.

02:30:39.000 The ability to go and do the show and what you guys brought to the table was so much better than anything we could have ever come up with on our own.

02:30:51.000 I mean, the idea that you were going to take us in this fucking five-day camping thing with no cell phones and no internet connection, that's completely different than anything we would have ever done.

02:31:01.000 If we just said, all right, let's go hunting. 0.93

02:31:02.000 What do you want to do?

02:31:03.000 We would have probably...

02:31:04.000 We would have bailed.

02:31:05.000 Yeah, if we had both caught a deer, we'd be like, oh, time to go home.

02:31:07.000 Yeah, it's raining. 0.99

02:31:08.000 Dude, this sucks. 0.97

02:31:09.000 Let's go eat. 0.99

02:31:10.000 Let's go get some steak.

02:31:11.000 I'm so glad we did, and I'm so glad looking back on it, it just took five days.

02:31:14.000 The first day we get there, pouring rain. 0.93

02:31:17.000 I knew it was fucking for real when we stopped at one of the spots where Lewis and Clark camped. 0.82

02:31:24.000 If you have any sense of history at all, and you're sort of trying to take this in, like how... 0.98

02:31:30.000 Bizarre it really is that several hundred years ago before the inventions of radio and the camera, there were some fucking people that were traveling across the entire river. 0.81

02:31:41.000 They were going down the Missouri River. 0.94

02:31:43.000 They were traveling across the whole country.

02:31:45.000 And they were right there camping where you're going to camp.

02:31:48.000 And it's still, like, there's some notable things that are different, but it still is kind of the same.

02:31:53.000 It's very reminiscent of it.

02:31:54.000 And there's a friend, there's a writer I've always admired a lot, the writer Ian Frazier, and he's written a lot about the American West, and we were on that river one time, and he was just saying, like, he just likes it that it happened.

02:32:08.000 There's a place like Lewis and Clark came here and camped here and he's like, and then nothing ever really happened ever again.

02:32:16.000 When I think about that, I often point out that you can go to sites, you can go to places.

02:32:20.000 One time I was on the phone with Ian Frazier one time and I was telling him, he said, where are you?

02:32:25.000 And I was in New York and we were trying to meet up.

02:32:28.000 And I explained to him that I was out in front of this bar like the White Horse or something.

02:32:31.000 He's like, you know, Dylan Thomas drank himself to death and died, right?

02:32:34.000 That's right.

02:32:34.000 He's like, what corner are you on?

02:32:35.000 I said, well, I'm at this and such intersection.

02:32:36.000 I've been in that booth.

02:32:37.000 And he's like, yeah, Dylan Thomas collapsed, like drank himself to death there.

02:32:41.000 And on the one hand, it's like, wow, that's amazing.

02:32:45.000 But then you think like all the other stuff that happened, you know, people getting hit by cars and like, you know, people getting broken up with and falling in love and like all these layers upon layers of other activities that went on there.

02:32:57.000 In some way, it dilutes it.

02:32:59.000 It becomes hard to picture.

02:33:00.000 But to camp where Lewis and Clark camp and look at it, you go like, no, I get it, man.

02:33:04.000 It's not abstract for me.

02:33:05.000 I can understand a little bit about what was on their mind.

02:33:09.000 Even though we had stoves and stuff, you're still kind of living and feeling what they were feeling.

02:33:15.000 The cold, the darkness.

02:33:17.000 Ryan Callahan just texted me and heard us talking about him.

02:33:19.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:33:21.000 No, he didn't get a chance to listen to the podcast yet.

02:33:23.000 I'm sure it was great.

02:33:25.000 That's good, man.

02:33:26.000 Yeah, that's funny.

02:33:28.000 But that was for us.

02:33:28.000 But it's very similar.

02:33:29.000 Get in the boat.

02:33:30.000 Cover some ground in the boat.

02:33:32.000 Get out.

02:33:32.000 Pitch camp.

02:33:33.000 Try to secure meat through hunting.

02:33:34.000 Yeah.

02:33:35.000 Get back in the boat.

02:33:36.000 Pitch camp.

02:33:38.000 Yeah, all in all, we went, what was it, 40-something miles down the river?

02:33:42.000 We went a long way, because I remember that trip back, me and Toadback, I was so cold, and Dan Doty was really cold.

02:33:50.000 I go, what's wrong with you?

02:33:51.000 He goes, I'm really cold.

02:33:52.000 I pulled a sleeping bag out of my, and we just wrapped up, because it was like 12 degrees.

02:33:55.000 It was kind of ridiculous.

02:33:56.000 I was watching that. 0.91

02:33:57.000 It was so cold, like it was 12 degrees, and I was such a baby.

02:34:01.000 I'm like, what?

02:34:01.000 You know what?

02:34:02.000 I got lucky.

02:34:03.000 I was with him and he told me American Indian stories the whole way.

02:34:07.000 It didn't even bother me, man.

02:34:09.000 I'm telling you. 0.99

02:34:10.000 Eight hours of American Indian stories or whatever the fuck it was. 0.98

02:34:13.000 But cold around water is different than cold around water. 0.99

02:34:15.000 It's like the minute something...

02:34:17.000 It's wet.

02:34:18.000 Dude.

02:34:18.000 It's just like the intrusion of water.

02:34:20.000 You get a little bit of moisture in your gloves.

02:34:22.000 It just becomes a different game.

02:34:23.000 I was watching those guys play football in the playoffs in Denver, and it was minus three with the windchill factor.

02:34:28.000 And they were playing football in short sleeves.

02:34:30.000 And Ray Lewis, Ray Lewis just sitting there in short sleeves.

02:34:33.000 Even on the bench, he's just sitting there like this going, just thinking to himself.

02:34:37.000 I'm like, dude, you got no sleeves on.

02:34:39.000 It's minus three with the windchill.

02:34:41.000 Are you serious?

02:34:41.000 Yes.

02:34:41.000 What was the actual temperature?

02:34:43.000 It was nine degrees.

02:34:44.000 Oh, so it was cold, cold.

02:34:45.000 Cold, cold.

02:34:46.000 Cold, cold.

02:34:46.000 And then minus three with the windshield.

02:34:48.000 And these guys are out in shorts.

02:34:49.000 They can still play like that?

02:34:50.000 Hitting each other.

02:34:51.000 Hitting each other. 0.84

02:34:51.000 That ball's got to sting your hands at that time. 0.84

02:34:53.000 You think?

02:34:53.000 They have gloves on.

02:34:55.000 Oh, there you go. 0.97

02:34:56.000 The river is so fucking shallow in some spots. 0.96

02:35:00.000 That's the one thing that was really surprising is that we would bottom out. 0.96

02:35:03.000 Yeah.

02:35:04.000 I was like, this is a really fragile ecosystem.

02:35:06.000 That's one thing that's probably a lot different.

02:35:08.000 Of course, that river is heavily dammed now.

02:35:10.000 So when we were in that area, you got dams above you and you got dams below you.

02:35:14.000 Oh.

02:35:16.000 But...

02:35:17.000 I mean, you used to be able to run it with river boats, like paddle wheel boats.

02:35:21.000 But it was a confusion of channels.

02:35:23.000 It took a lot of skill to be able to navigate, but there was a continuous navigable channel.

02:35:28.000 And when you dam those rivers, now you get a lot of sedimentation.

02:35:32.000 So the river would at times get scoured out.

02:35:36.000 You get a big flood in the spring.

02:35:39.000 Snow's coming out of the mountains, coming out of the Yellowstone area and stuff.

02:35:43.000 It would come down there and just gouge that area. 0.71

02:35:45.000 And carry all that sediment away.

02:35:47.000 But the dams do flood control.

02:35:48.000 Flood control and they form another function, erosion control.

02:35:52.000 So you get built up over time just mud, silt in that river.

02:35:57.000 So the river is a lot different than it used to be.

02:35:59.000 As much as some of the surrounding topography is very similar and in some ways, in some regards, untouched, that river is now a creation of damming.

02:36:09.000 Oh wow.

02:36:10.000 And the river goes to the ocean?

02:36:12.000 That river heads.

02:36:15.000 We were talking about earlier, Lewis and Clark.

02:36:17.000 So Lewis and Clark, when they got dispatched on their trip, and they went up, I can't remember if they left in 1802 or 1804. 1802 or 1804. They went up, and one of the things, they had many tasks that they were supposed to do, but one of the primary tasks Jefferson gave them was to find the headwaters of the Missouri.

02:36:35.000 So people knew the Missouri was a major artery.

02:36:38.000 But where did the Missouri begin?

02:36:40.000 And wherever it began, was there a viable way to go up and over out to the Pacific?

02:36:45.000 When they went up, they found the headwaters of Montana, or the Missouri, just upstream from where we were.

02:36:51.000 And the headwaters they discovered were three rivers they named.

02:36:54.000 They named the Jefferson, the Gallatin, and the Madison.

02:37:00.000 So it was the Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, and the President, I think is what it was.

02:37:03.000 They named those three rivers.

02:37:04.000 And that's what heads that river. 0.71

02:37:06.000 So those rivers head, like the Yellowstone heads up, Yellowstone Lake, Yellowstone National Park.

02:37:11.000 I'm sorry, the Yellowstone goes another way.

02:37:12.000 But the Missouri and Jeff head in Montana, and then they go and flow all the way out to the Gulf of Mexico.

02:37:21.000 Wow.

02:37:22.000 People now argue.

02:37:23.000 We were so familiar with the Mississippi.

02:37:26.000 The Mississippi was named.

02:37:27.000 We didn't know that much about the Missouri, because people had been dinking around the Mississippi long before they were dinking.

02:37:31.000 Europeans had been messing around the Mississippi long before the Missouri.

02:37:35.000 Hydrologists later and geologists later argued that the Mississippi wasn't named properly.

02:37:40.000 That by any estimation it would be that the Missouri picked up the Mississippi and not vice versa.

02:37:46.000 That where those two rivers came together, like the Missouri is a true continental river.

02:37:50.000 It's draining all the way from the mountains of Montana out to the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi heads like up in Minnesota, you know.

02:37:59.000 So they argued that that's actually what went on.

02:38:01.000 So the Mississippi is now the Mississippi by name, but in like a physical sense, where you're looking, the Mississippi is the Missouri.

02:38:08.000 I think the riverboat gambling is one of the craziest ideas ever, that they would allow you to gamble if you got in something floating and then they just pushed you out there.

02:38:16.000 It has to be on state lines, though, right?

02:38:17.000 Isn't it ridiculous, though?

02:38:18.000 What does that mean? 0.73

02:38:19.000 So it's got to be in between state lines?

02:38:21.000 Yeah.

02:38:21.000 It's like a neutral limbo land?

02:38:23.000 It's a gray area between states.

02:38:24.000 Yeah, it's like you're in a no-man's land because it's bordered by it.

02:38:28.000 It's like you've got one state on one side and one state on the other side.

02:38:30.000 I've always proposed that.

02:38:32.000 I think that we should have a gray area between all states where you could do anything you want.

02:38:38.000 You could eat mushrooms. 0.99

02:38:39.000 You can get a hooker. 1.00

02:38:40.000 You can do whatever you want. 1.00

02:38:41.000 Anything shy of murder and robbery.

02:38:43.000 Yeah.

02:38:43.000 Just a wild west gray area where there's very few laws.

02:38:47.000 It would be so crowded.

02:38:47.000 Just to try it.

02:38:48.000 Everybody knows.

02:38:49.000 It would be so crowded.

02:38:49.000 Everybody knows where it is.

02:38:50.000 You can look across the Mississippi.

02:38:52.000 Why does that get to be the lawless zone?

02:38:54.000 Like the Great Lakes, you can't even see it.

02:38:55.000 It could be a massive area of utter lawlessness, but there's no, like, you can't go out there and do crazy stuff that you can't do on the bank.

02:39:02.000 Yeah, but I'm just saying a little gray area.

02:39:05.000 You've also got to get up to every state.

02:39:07.000 You could have a whole resort out in the middle of Lake Michigan.

02:39:09.000 On boats?

02:39:09.000 Or just on land, too?

02:39:11.000 Just on land.

02:39:12.000 Anywhere where there's a border. 0.99

02:39:13.000 It's fucking, who knows? 0.99

02:39:15.000 You just have towns. 0.99

02:39:15.000 You just have Tijuana towns. 0.99

02:39:18.000 Well, you know, the idea is being bandied about by some really rich investors that they want to build an artificial city that floats.

02:39:26.000 And they want to put it out in international waters.

02:39:29.000 Like the International Space Station?

02:39:31.000 Something like that.

02:39:32.000 That they would be able to do this and make their own utopian society.

02:39:35.000 They're tired of this nonsense, this libertarian ideals.

02:39:38.000 Everybody wants everybody who joins this venture to be able to support themselves and to decide as a community that we could all work this out. 0.99

02:39:46.000 They're going to make a gigantic island and push that bitch out into the ocean. 1.00

02:39:49.000 Wow. 1.00

02:39:51.000 But good luck not getting robbed.

02:39:52.000 There's a couple problems.

02:39:53.000 Good luck.

02:39:55.000 They get all set up in a Somali pirate show.

02:39:57.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:39:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:39:59.000 Yeah, don't do it in the Indian Ocean. 0.74

02:40:01.000 Well, don't dudes get, like, fucking kidnapped all the time out there? 0.75

02:40:04.000 That's why I don't go sailing. 0.97

02:40:04.000 That's why, like, oh, we went sailing in the Caribbean in the Indian Ocean. 0.97

02:40:07.000 Listen, dude.

02:40:08.000 People get robbed, killed, and raped, and thrown overboard all the time.

02:40:14.000 Not me, man.

02:40:15.000 I'll go sailing.

02:40:16.000 In the ocean?

02:40:16.000 If I have a couple Navy vessels full of Navy SEALs following me around.

02:40:20.000 A couple?

02:40:20.000 Otherwise, I don't understand.

02:40:21.000 People are so trusting.

02:40:22.000 We went there.

02:40:23.000 Not me, dude.

02:40:24.000 My parents lived in the Bahamas on a sailboat.

02:40:26.000 They lived there for a while.

02:40:28.000 They took a sailboat from Florida all the way down to the Bahamas and lived in various spots on the sailboat. 1.00

02:40:34.000 I was like, you guys are fucking crazy. 0.99

02:40:36.000 After you were gone or before you were around? 1.00

02:40:39.000 I was long gone.

02:40:40.000 I don't want to be in the middle of the ocean with no backup and some pirates come up.

02:40:44.000 It happens all the time.

02:40:45.000 It definitely can happen.

02:40:46.000 I mean, the odds are pretty small if you look at how many ships are out there. 1.00

02:40:50.000 But if it happens, you're fucked. 1.00

02:40:52.000 And it could happen. 1.00

02:40:53.000 I'm afraid of the ocean.

02:40:54.000 Some rich couple get kidnapped really recently.

02:40:56.000 It happens all the time.

02:40:57.000 There's always some new story.

02:40:59.000 Because I grew up in a landlocked state, man.

02:41:02.000 For me, you guys might have had that feeling of being in the breaks.

02:41:07.000 You had that feeling of kind of like...

02:41:09.000 Not overwhelmed, but humbled by the landscape in some way.

02:41:12.000 For me, I'm so new to maritime stuff.

02:41:15.000 For me to be out on the ocean...

02:41:17.000 I didn't grow up looking out at an ocean.

02:41:20.000 For me now, when I'm out on the ocean, I'm always like...

02:41:24.000 This is serious business, man.

02:41:27.000 I get that feeling of just like, holy cow, man.

02:41:30.000 It's unbelievable.

02:41:30.000 When you get out where you can't see land, that's when I start getting that very nice, uncomfortable feeling.

02:41:36.000 My buddy used to, for a living, used to take rich guys, they'd buy a sailboat, and then you'd have to sail it to them, wherever they were.

02:41:45.000 But the problem was that when you do a winter run along the Atlantic, that's storm season.

02:41:50.000 So very few people want to actually take the sailboat when you buy it in the winter and bring it to you because they're going to get caught in storms.

02:41:56.000 My buddy did that.

02:41:57.000 My buddy used to just like – and he'd take a 32-foot yacht and he got caught in a storm off of San Francisco in the winter.

02:42:05.000 And it was at night and he had strapped himself in and he was trying – he turned the boat because he was caught in 20-foot swells that were submerging the boat.

02:42:14.000 So he would get submerged under the ocean and then pop out.

02:42:18.000 He did that for 14 hours.

02:42:22.000 Not only did he do it 14 hours alone but he had his crew underground because he was the captain.

02:42:28.000 For 14 hours he did that and he radioed for a guy to get him but the guy wasn't experienced enough so then they had to radio a guy who did it a lot in Alaska.

02:42:38.000 To tow them back in.

02:42:39.000 And they finally get that guy on the phone.

02:42:42.000 I guess he flies in.

02:42:43.000 He gets in his boat now.

02:42:44.000 He goes out, hooks onto him, and tows him to safety.

02:42:47.000 14 hours at night.

02:42:49.000 I said, how did you know to look?

02:42:50.000 He goes, I would have to hear.

02:42:52.000 I'd have to listen for when the swell was going to hit me because I couldn't see it.

02:42:56.000 So I'd have to listen.

02:42:57.000 I hear just...

02:42:58.000 And I go...

02:42:59.000 And I said, were you cold? 1.00

02:43:04.000 He goes, fuck yeah! 1.00

02:43:06.000 He was in a wetsuit. 1.00

02:43:07.000 He goes, fuck yeah, you're cold. 1.00

02:43:09.000 You're really cold, man. 1.00

02:43:10.000 Your face and hands feel like they're going to fall off.

02:43:12.000 Yeah, growing up near the ocean, you get too used to it.

02:43:16.000 You get...

02:43:17.000 You don't really take it into consideration how crazy it is.

02:43:20.000 But I had a friend from Oklahoma who never saw the ocean before.

02:43:23.000 And we were in Texas and he went to the ocean.

02:43:25.000 And he was like, he had just gotten back from the moon.

02:43:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:29.000 He might as well have been on another planet.

02:43:31.000 I asked my friend if he wears a life jacket.

02:43:33.000 He goes, well, there are two different schools.

02:43:34.000 I go, what do you mean?

02:43:35.000 He goes, some do, some don't.

02:43:36.000 I don't.

02:43:36.000 I said, why?

02:43:37.000 He goes...

02:43:38.000 Well, I believe that if you get washed overboard, you're probably injured to begin with.

02:43:43.000 It's much better just to drown really quickly than to sit there and die of hypothermia for 16 hours later.

02:43:48.000 He said, or sharks can get you.

02:43:50.000 He said, they can be right on top of you.

02:43:51.000 They're not going to find you a lot of times.

02:43:53.000 My friend who went to the ocean, he had to take a cigarette before he described it.

02:43:59.000 He sat down and he goes, man.

02:44:01.000 Yeah.

02:44:01.000 He lit his cigarette, took a big breath, he goes, where do I begin, man?

02:44:06.000 He had to conjure his most descriptive powers.

02:44:08.000 To him, because he was in his 30s, to him in his 30s, to just see the ocean for the first time.

02:44:13.000 He really doesn't leave Oklahoma much.

02:44:15.000 All of a sudden, he's in Houston, made a trip down to the ocean, he's standing out there watching it. 1.00

02:44:20.000 It's like, you know, it's got to really fuck your mind. 0.99

02:44:23.000 I hope I'm not saying something out of turn, but David Blaine, his trick, he wanted to cross the Pacific in a bottle. 0.98

02:44:29.000 And so the problem was he went out on a catamaran in a really thick storm and people were like getting bandied about, bleeding, knocked out.

02:44:36.000 And he's like, I'm good with any of that.

02:44:38.000 He doesn't care.

02:44:38.000 Then he got in the water with great whites.

02:44:40.000 He's got video of him swimming.

02:44:41.000 I don't want to tell too much.

02:44:43.000 I hope he doesn't, you know.

02:44:44.000 But anyway, the point is that the guy said – Sam Sheridan who just – by the way, his book is great.

02:44:50.000 Sam Sheridan goes, dude, if you get caught in a bottle – if you were in a bottle in the Pacific, you can get caught in a storm for 72 hours.

02:45:02.000 You'd be tossing around in that bottle for 72 hours. 0.98

02:45:06.000 That's a shitty way to die. 1.00

02:45:07.000 That's a shitty way to die. 0.99

02:45:09.000 Because you're not going to be able to keep up with the rolls for 72 hours. 1.00

02:45:12.000 You're eventually going to get dropped in your head. 1.00

02:45:14.000 You're going to nod out for a second and you're going to get elevated and dropped in your fucking head. 1.00

02:45:18.000 And you're going to hit that thick glass wall and it's going to cave your stupid face in. 1.00

02:45:23.000 You know, I got a friend that I wrote about in my first book who grew up in San Diego. 1.00

02:45:27.000 And one of his first jobs, he worked on a tuna boat and went out and the tuna boat sank.

02:45:34.000 And one of the guys he was with drowned.

02:45:36.000 He stayed on a hatch cover with a guy.

02:45:38.000 He was...

02:45:39.000 Moored with, drowned, and he managed to keep this guy's body with him the whole time.

02:45:43.000 Oh my god.

02:45:44.000 And eventually they were pulled out, and he was just done with it.

02:45:51.000 He went to vet school, didn't go back out in the ocean anymore, and changed his birth date to the day that he...

02:46:08.000 He's a veterinarian up in St. Helena in the Napa Valley now.

02:46:14.000 He's just like, I'm done with the water, man.

02:46:16.000 Wow.

02:46:16.000 Good for him.

02:46:17.000 Fuck the ocean. 1.00

02:46:19.000 The ocean can suck it. 1.00

02:46:20.000 The ocean's fucking terrifying, man. 1.00

02:46:24.000 That's hilarious. 0.98

02:46:25.000 Yeah.

02:46:26.000 Atlanta, man.

02:46:27.000 Thanks again, man.

02:46:27.000 Thanks for taking us there.

02:46:29.000 We had the fucking time of our lives. 0.99

02:46:30.000 It was really cool. 0.99

02:46:31.000 It was good, man.

02:46:32.000 I look forward to getting you guys back out.

02:46:35.000 That's a sweet-looking rack. 0.83

02:46:36.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

02:46:37.000 And you know what?

02:46:38.000 People are down.

02:46:38.000 Can I say one last thing?

02:46:39.000 Yeah, please.

02:46:40.000 The issue of hunting trophies always comes up, you know?

02:46:43.000 And I decorate my home with skulls and antlers and horns and stuff like that.

02:46:47.000 And people are down on trophy hunting.

02:46:49.000 But I think that experience like that, like, you went out, you had a legit hunt, you ate all the meat.

02:46:55.000 It's like now, like, that thing becomes like an emblem of a lot more.

02:46:58.000 And it's like...

02:46:59.000 I think trophies are cool.

02:47:00.000 I think that having something like that...

02:47:01.000 It's like one word for it would be a trophy and another word would be like a memento or a talisman.

02:47:06.000 I don't know.

02:47:06.000 It's just like...

02:47:07.000 You'll always look at it and remember that.

02:47:08.000 He took a lot of cactus quills for that.

02:47:10.000 Yeah, man.

02:47:10.000 You'll always look at it and remember a whole set of experiences.

02:47:12.000 It's not some shallow thing like, oh, I'm such a man that I'm not going to...

02:47:17.000 Right.

02:47:18.000 No, I didn't think of it that way at all.

02:47:20.000 There's so much controversy attached, I don't have to tell you this, to the hunting experience, to the idea of killing your own food.

02:47:27.000 There's so much craziness on both sides.

02:47:30.000 But the people that are anti-hunting are the people that even eat meat and wear leather and are still anti-hunting.

02:47:38.000 It's shocking how many of those people there are.

02:47:40.000 It's such a weird thing.

02:47:41.000 I can completely understand your wife's point of view, not wanting to go and do the killing yourself, but the idea that there's something wrong with the people who do it. 0.98

02:47:52.000 One of the things that I saw about this Newtown, Connecticut thing, one of the tweets that I read, I read a lot of crazy tweets, but one of them I read where this guy said, if you're a hunter, tough shit, get a new hobby, no guns. 0.98

02:48:03.000 And it was like tag... 0.99

02:48:04.000 Like, hashtag no guns. 1.00

02:48:06.000 And I was like, what kind of fucking, what kind of crazy nonsense is that? 1.00

02:48:11.000 If you're a hunter, get a new hobby. 0.99

02:48:14.000 The idea that these people are willing to get, because of crazy people, whatever many, to get all rights to own firearms stripped away to the point where you can't hunt anymore, and the idea that someone would just propose that, that's the problem with voting.

02:48:30.000 The problem with voting is that guy gets to vote too.

02:48:34.000 Well, Tim Ferriss posted a cool article by somebody – I can't remember who it was and I read it and it was about – he said guns actually have a lot to do with why there isn't a lot of violence.

02:48:43.000 They neutralize violence in some ways.

02:48:45.000 It's sometimes in the sense that if you don't have guns, the guy with the biggest knife and the strongest guy is going to do what he wants and guns are – have always been sort of in a society.

02:48:54.000 They keep the strongest guy with a knife from raping somebody in front of 12 people. 1.00

02:48:58.000 Somebody is going to shoot that fucking guy. 1.00

02:48:59.000 Yeah, I mean, you can't have society in this form without some form of weaponry. 1.00

02:49:04.000 You have to be able to protect people against aggressive people from somewhere else, whether it's a local threat or a threat on a boat from another fucking country like Columbus and his boys. 0.95

02:49:15.000 I mean, that's just... 0.96

02:49:16.000 If you can't control them, if you can't stop them, they overcome the same way The Europeans overcame the American Indians. 1.00

02:49:24.000 It's really the same exact thing you're talking about.

02:49:26.000 You're talking about people being overcome by other people.

02:49:28.000 There's only one way to prevent that.

02:49:29.000 With technology.

02:49:30.000 People that are armed.

02:49:31.000 That's the only way to prevent that.

02:49:33.000 The threat of retaliation is too strong for one band of evil people to just go in and take over a town or whatever with guns.

02:49:41.000 Because otherwise, how could you stop it?

02:49:43.000 If the whole world was disarmed, Then you're talking about some sort of… Look at Africa. 1.00

02:49:51.000 Look at the Congo right now with people like Joseph Kony and his group and stuff who come in. 0.94

02:49:55.000 They've got military-grade weapons.

02:49:57.000 They come into a village where nobody has any weapons.

02:49:59.000 Do whatever they want.

02:50:00.000 I mean the utopia obviously would be no one has guns.

02:50:04.000 If you go hunting, then you use guns I guess.

02:50:07.000 Yeah, but by the way, what if you did have that?

02:50:09.000 Then you'd have guys like… Shane Carwin and Nate Markor who would be the kings and call the shots because I'm not going to fight those guys.

02:50:16.000 We'd have to band together as like six guys and be like, let's go.

02:50:19.000 So it's better to have – it's sort of a balancing act.

02:50:25.000 It's better to have some sort of an ability to defend yourself physically and then society can move on.

02:50:31.000 And if you can't defend yourself physically just because of your mere size or you're dealing with some Shaquille O'Neal type dude that you just physically – there's nothing you can do about it, then a gun comes into play.

02:50:41.000 Well, they always say that conflict resolution in any society becomes paramount like in a – A society, you have to have a mechanism for conflict resolution because inevitably there will be conflict among men and so how you meet out justice and how you keep order is very important for any society if you think about it.

02:51:02.000 Inevitably there's going to be conflict.

02:51:03.000 I think the thing we're missing is teaching young kids how to fight.

02:51:06.000 I really do.

02:51:07.000 I think it's a gigantic piece of the puzzle that we're missing in the way we raise human beings.

02:51:11.000 I'm not saying everybody needs it.

02:51:12.000 I'm not saying it should be required.

02:51:13.000 But I'm saying that having it readily available all the time for kids in school to teach them a way to get out their aggression.

02:51:21.000 Not just necessarily defense, but also just dealing with...

02:51:24.000 I think it would stop bullying.

02:51:28.000 I really do.

02:51:29.000 I think if you taught kids martial arts, it would stop almost all bullying.

02:51:32.000 Because kids would be involved in competition.

02:51:34.000 And when they're involved in competition, they're not thinking about picking on weak people.

02:51:37.000 They're thinking about how to advance their game so they can compete.

02:51:41.000 Whether it's jiu-jitsu or wrestling or boxing or any of those martial sports, I think if you teach as many people as you can how to do it, you're going to have a much more polite society.

02:51:55.000 That outlet's very strong.

02:51:57.000 That's why they say video games are so popular.

02:51:59.000 It's an outlet for aggression.

02:52:01.000 But our problem in this country is not a gun problem.

02:52:03.000 In my opinion, everybody keeps saying it's a gun problem.

02:52:06.000 Guns are a part of a mental health problem. 0.97

02:52:08.000 It's a mental health problem.

02:52:10.000 But people look at that as being something they can achieve easily.

02:52:14.000 But the thing that I've been thinking a lot about lately on the issue is that it's the way that people look at constitutional issues.

02:52:21.000 I think there's a reluctance.

02:52:23.000 On the right, there's traditionally this reluctance to sort of disregard First Amendment liberties sometimes.

02:52:29.000 And on the left, there's this tendency to want to disregard Second Amendment liberties.

02:52:34.000 In the same way that someone – this guy said, oh, you know what?

02:52:38.000 If you hunt tough, figure something out.

02:52:40.000 You could look and say, you know what?

02:52:41.000 The Internet is used – For all these things, and 9-11 plotters communicated over the internet and various things. 0.80

02:52:47.000 So if you use the internet for communication, screw you, we're getting rid of it.

02:52:53.000 No one would ever make the case.

02:52:54.000 It can be used for evil, therefore it should go away.

02:52:57.000 It's a very good point.

02:52:58.000 You want to be in a situation where I'm like...

02:53:01.000 For me, First Amendment stuff is extremely important to me.

02:53:05.000 Second Amendment issues are extremely important to me.

02:53:07.000 I feel that just to do reactionary measures against our amendment rights and thinking we're going to solve some problem isn't right.

02:53:14.000 The same way I don't think it's right to suppress freedom of speech in order to solve a problem that might have come out of the right of assembly or that might have come out of freedom of the press, that someone incited violence through the press so they should be shut down.

02:53:25.000 Nor do I think that a firearms owner should be shut down.

02:53:28.000 I think it's a very complicated issue.

02:53:29.000 I think it also fosters some cookie-cutter type thinking sometimes where people on the left just follow that predetermined pattern of behavior and people on the right follow that.

02:53:38.000 And no one is, you know, it's...

02:53:40.000 Take sides.

02:53:40.000 Yeah.

02:53:41.000 Everybody's taking a side on it.

02:53:42.000 As opposed to approaching it as a problem to solve.

02:53:44.000 Yeah.

02:53:44.000 Look, there's obviously something going on.

02:53:47.000 What is the problem?

02:53:47.000 The problem is that everybody has guns.

02:53:49.000 That way you can't stop me. 0.96

02:53:50.000 Everyone would shoot the guy if he tried to run into a school and shoot people. 0.95

02:53:53.000 Is that the solution?

02:53:55.000 Or is it the solution that you have to pull all the guns out of people's homes And then only the military has the guns.

02:54:00.000 Well, people aren't going to be comfortable with that either.

02:54:02.000 So what is the correct solution?

02:54:04.000 And how much is mental health taken into it? 0.99

02:54:06.000 How much are SSRIs and whatever these fucking antidepressants are doing to disturbed people? 0.99

02:54:11.000 There's a lot of people out there that need antidepressants. 0.99

02:54:14.000 It makes their life better.

02:54:15.000 I've heard that.

02:54:16.000 I believe it.

02:54:17.000 But I also know Phil Hartman.

02:54:18.000 I knew Phil Hartman very well.

02:54:20.000 And his wife was on antidepressants when she shot and killed him and then killed herself.

02:54:24.000 So I know that they want a settlement with Zoloft.

02:54:28.000 I know that stuff creates psychotic behavior.

02:54:30.000 I know it does.

02:54:31.000 It's pretty much proven. 0.95

02:54:34.000 When you start having to pay off giant sums, it's pretty proven that there's something fucked up going on with antidepressants and the human mind.

02:54:44.000 It's not always, but it's not everybody. 0.87

02:54:47.000 I think there's people that their brain is just not set up correctly. 0.71

02:54:53.000 I think there's a whole bunch of people in this world where they got a shitty roll of the dice and their brain is just not working good.

02:55:01.000 And I think if you want to medicate those people and just start throwing chemicals at the problem, you might not always be doing the right thing.

02:55:08.000 And when you do that and you have a really disturbed individual like it's in the case of over and over again with some of these shooters.

02:55:15.000 The hypothesis is that these drugs are allowing these kids to much more easily perform horrific tasks because they've sort of changed reality.

02:55:24.000 Their body chemistry?

02:55:26.000 Yeah.

02:55:26.000 Well, the way they interact with the mind that they allow you to accept things in a way that you would normally have like giant red psychological flags going off left and right.

02:55:35.000 Instead, it just allows you to like deal with shit.

02:55:38.000 and that's one of the ways that for some folks it helps them overcome depression you know it's like these things are very unusual because One of the things that I've learned talking to my friends that are on these antidepressants, including people that absolutely need them and then people who've tried them and gave them away, 0.98

02:55:55.000 is that they never know exactly which one's going to work for you and they'll switch medications on you.

02:55:59.000 They'll go, okay, let's try this.

02:56:00.000 How's that one? 0.99

02:56:01.000 And then a lot of it is just everybody's got a different setup and what works for you might not work for him and the only way to tell is they've got to fucking try shit out on you. 0.99

02:56:09.000 I have a real hard time with that when you're dealing with psychotic people that might have access to assault rifles. 0.91

02:56:14.000 Like when you have that – those things together and then you find out that 90 percent of all these school shootings are either someone who's on withdrawal from SSRIs or someone who's on them.

02:56:24.000 Ninety percent.

02:56:25.000 They were talking – they had these mental health experts on.

02:56:28.000 They were talking about how – like Jared Lofner, the guy who shot the Arizona – He had been symptomatic for 10 years.

02:56:34.000 I mean he was psychotic and symptomatic and it was very clear that – and the problem was he said that there's – in the law, you can't incarcerate somebody against their will unless they are – I would love to hear this.

02:56:45.000 We've got to wrap this up.

02:56:46.000 It's 3 o'clock or it's – rather it's three hours in and at three hours in, the show turns into a pumpkin.

02:56:52.000 Here we go. 0.93

02:56:53.000 What happens is the audio, when it gets too long, gets fucked somehow in the process. 0.57

02:56:59.000 So the only way we can do it is three hours. 0.94

02:57:01.000 Yeah, so we turn it into a pumpkin.

02:57:02.000 We want to thank Onnit.com for sponsoring the podcast.

02:57:05.000 If you go to O-N-N-I-T and use the code name ROGAN, you will save 10%.

02:57:10.000 We're good to go. 1.00

02:57:25.000 It's not PH like a pussy. 1.00

02:57:27.000 It's V. V. Like a vampire. 1.00

02:57:30.000 Steven Ranella.

02:57:32.000 Follow him on Twitter.

02:57:33.000 And Pick Up is an excellent book, which I'm really enjoying, by the way, Meat Eaters.

02:57:37.000 So you're a really good descriptive writer, man.

02:57:39.000 You really bring people into the moment.

02:57:41.000 It's a great book.

02:57:42.000 I really, really enjoy it.

02:57:43.000 I appreciate you saying that.

02:57:44.000 And it's called Meat Eater.

02:57:45.000 And look, we're going to do this again.

02:57:46.000 The show is going to air sometime in April, right?

02:57:48.000 Yes, sir.

02:57:49.000 So come back again. 1.00

02:57:50.000 We'll do another one of these fucking podcasts. 0.99

02:57:51.000 Awesome. 0.99

02:57:51.000 I'll bring some bear meat and deer meat and whatnot. 0.99

02:57:53.000 Yeah, man.

02:57:54.000 Beautiful.

02:57:54.000 Mail us that smoked bear meat.

02:57:55.000 Yeah, and thanks for taking us out again, man.

02:57:57.000 We had the time of our lives.

02:57:58.000 Can't wait to do it again.

02:57:59.000 It's awesome. 0.99

02:58:00.000 And so go buy his book, you fucks. 0.98

02:58:02.000 And is it available on Audible? 0.98

02:58:04.000 Do they have an audio version?

02:58:05.000 No, man, they don't.

02:58:06.000 I looked for it.

02:58:06.000 I had to read it.

02:58:07.000 My last book was audio, but the audio thing, like, I don't know.

02:58:11.000 People are kind of backing away from it in a weird way.

02:58:13.000 Alright you dirty freaks, tomorrow Opie from Opie and Anthony, Greg Hughes will be here and then Wednesday the great Duncan Trussell will join us.

02:58:20.000 So thank you and that's the end of the show. 0.99

02:58:23.000 So go find some other shit to do. 0.99

02:58:26.000 Holla! 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 14, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #312 - Steve Rinella, Bryan Callen

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