The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #368 - David Seaman

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00:07:16.000 I've been working like seven days in a row.

00:07:18.000 Really?

00:07:18.000 Yeah, I'm totally bewildered.

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00:07:26.000 Working like a motherfucker, dude.

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00:07:28.000 That's crazy.

00:07:32.000 We started here on July 16th.

00:07:33.000 How many episodes have you done?

00:07:35.000 Well, they're a conglomeration of them.

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00:07:48.000 We're filming like all six of them at the same time, so we're trying to smush everything together.

00:07:52.000 It's been very interesting.

00:07:54.000 But I just got back from the Global Future 2045 conference in New York where I got to meet Aubrey DeGrey and all these life extension people and Dr. Amit Goswami that had been on our podcast.

00:08:04.000 He was there as well.

00:08:06.000 And fascinating fucking shit.

00:08:08.000 So you got that where you look at something like Global Future 2045 where there's all these super geniuses trying to figure out what the future of human life is going to be like and whether or not we'll be able to extend life and download consciousness into computers and all this crazy shit.

00:08:24.000 And then at the same time, David Seaman, you got a lot of fuckery going on, man.

00:08:30.000 We're starting to learn how much surveillance is being, what's the word, launched on the American public on a daily basis.

00:08:38.000 Yeah, I just want to ease into this one.

00:08:40.000 I feel like every time I come here, I have this hardcore doom and gloom stuff to share.

00:08:45.000 And you guys are such a positive group in general.

00:08:48.000 So yeah, it's fucking scary what's going on.

00:08:51.000 It's hard not to take notice.

00:08:53.000 Well, I think it seems to have woken a lot of people up.

00:08:57.000 This is all kind of shit that Alex Jones would tell people about in like, you know, 1990.

00:09:04.000 Alex is running around screaming all this shit.

00:09:07.000 And everybody was like, what?

00:09:08.000 No one's checking your email.

00:09:10.000 What?

00:09:10.000 You know, no one's.

00:09:12.000 But slowly but surely, it seems to be almost inevitable that you're going to get your email looked at.

00:09:21.000 Well, what's so scary is Obama's over in Europe right now.

00:09:25.000 And in Germany, they were really upset about these recent revelations.

00:09:29.000 And in Berlin, he gives a speech saying, you know, now let me be clear.

00:09:35.000 No one's reading through ordinary citizens' emails.

00:09:37.000 We're not rifling through ordinary people's emails.

00:09:39.000 And, you know, he says this on international TV.

00:09:42.000 And he either doesn't read the news or like does not understand what his own administration is doing because that is what that program does, which is why it caused such an uproar.

00:09:52.000 And similarly, 12 days ago, he said on national TV in the U.S., when this first broke, he said, no one's listening to your phone calls.

00:10:01.000 That's not what this program is about.

00:10:03.000 And that's the exact quote that people can look up.

00:10:06.000 And that leaked court order from Verizon Business Services is proof that actually all of our phone calls are being looked at.

00:10:15.000 And they say just the metadata, which means who you're calling, who's calling you, those phone numbers.

00:10:20.000 Also, the duration of the call and your location.

00:10:23.000 Like not even just what building we're in right now, but what floor of the building we're on.

00:10:27.000 That's how accurate this shit is.

00:10:29.000 And they have this on everybody.

00:10:30.000 And just based on that metadata alone, I could tell, you know, maybe not me, but an actual trained analyst could immediately tell if you're having an affair, if you've sought help for depression or anxiety by calling a psychiatrist's office, if you're having, you know, financial problems, you're contacting tax consultants and all this shit.

00:10:46.000 So within a few minutes from your metadata, they know far more about your life than the government possibly should know.

00:10:53.000 Especially if you have nothing to hide and you're not doing anything wrong.

00:10:56.000 It's just shocking that it was all going on and no one was speaking out about it until this one dude.

00:11:05.000 And he comes out with it and now he's on the run.

00:11:09.000 He's hiding.

00:11:10.000 I was looking on the front of USA Today and it was in my hotel and it said like some, you know, 65% of Americans think Edward Snowden should be put on trial.

00:11:22.000 Well actually the American people I think have been pretty good about knowing that they're being bullshitted right now.

00:11:27.000 Like it's something like two-thirds want to see a congressional investigation, not into Snowden, but into these programs and if they're targeting Americans.

00:11:35.000 And one thing I want to put out here before I forget about it is we keep the debate is like, well, should we do this to Americans?

00:11:42.000 And it's a given at this point that we are absolutely 100%, no doubt about it, doing this to people in Europe, people in Asia, our supposed trading partners.

00:11:51.000 We're spying on them.

00:11:52.000 And these are still human beings too.

00:11:54.000 I mean, they're not U.S. citizens, but should ordinary people who have no links to radicalism or terrorism, should they have their personal stuff rifled through by somebody who is an analyst at the NSA, basically a government employee.

00:12:06.000 These aren't people who have taken years of training and they've lost their ego in some kind of like a Razzel ghoul ceremony like in the dark night.

00:12:14.000 You know, they don't train on the ice and lose themselves in some greater cause.

00:12:18.000 They're just people who saw a fucking newspaper advertisement and applied for this job at Fort Meade, and now they have access to an unbelievable amount of information about ordinary people all over the world.

00:12:28.000 That's crazy.

00:12:30.000 So it's not just metadata.

00:12:32.000 It's your absolute emails.

00:12:34.000 There are two theories, and I'll share both of them, and you can decide which one's true.

00:12:37.000 So we know with 100% certainty that they are looking at metadata of innocent people.

00:12:42.000 It appears to be all phone records within the United States.

00:12:45.000 And if they're doing that here, you can assume that they're pretty much doing it everywhere, because that's what the NSA does.

00:12:49.000 They're not even supposed to be doing this stuff on U.S. soil.

00:12:52.000 But they're not supposed to be doing it unless they have a specific foreign target within the United States.

00:12:57.000 All the stuff the NSA does made sense back during the Cold War.

00:13:01.000 So if you'd have a Soviet agent come to the U.S. and you suspect them of doing spy shit, you want to have a way to tap into their phone calls while they're in the United States.

00:13:12.000 So it made sense to do this kind of stuff back then.

00:13:14.000 It never made sense to turn it in on American citizens.

00:13:17.000 And that's why you're seeing whistleblowers now come out and say this is wrong.

00:13:21.000 This is not the way this program was set up, et cetera.

00:13:24.000 And yeah, so the two theories are definitely metadata.

00:13:29.000 And then the actual contents of your phone calls and emails, according to some people, is being logged in NSA servers no matter who you are.

00:13:37.000 You could be the most innocent person out there who's never even smoked a joint or looked at any kind of Alex Jones website.

00:13:44.000 And you're still having your emails and phone calls logged on a server somewhere.

00:13:48.000 And they're not accessed unless they have reason to suspect you of a crime and they get some kind of court approval.

00:13:54.000 And then they access all your phone conversations.

00:13:56.000 That's theory one.

00:13:57.000 And theory two is that they're actually not recording everything.

00:14:00.000 They're just recording the metadata.

00:14:03.000 And if you're on their target list, then they're recording all of your phone calls and emails.

00:14:07.000 But if not, they're only looking at the metadata.

00:14:10.000 And what's so scary about theory two, which is the more conservative theory, it's not as frightening as the other theory.

00:14:18.000 What's fucked up about it is that according to William Binney, the other NSA whistleblower, there are several of them, the way that you get targeted is once you're introduced to somebody else's community, you're now added to the target list.

00:14:29.000 So just to give you an example, in the past I've had conversations with journalists who I'm almost certain are on the NSA target list just because they cover really sensitive stuff.

00:14:39.000 So since I've had conversations with them by email and by phone, I'm now a part of their community and I'm added to the target list, which means that all of my phone calls are being logged in a server somewhere, the actual content.

00:14:51.000 So if they need to, they can listen to them in the future.

00:14:53.000 And by you talking to me right now, that makes you a part of my community and now you're on the target list.

00:14:59.000 And if you talk to somebody next week, they're on the target list and it just keeps going and going.

00:15:04.000 That's insane.

00:15:05.000 And so there are millions of people on this list.

00:15:07.000 The whole world.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:15:10.000 Well, you look at the justifications they're using are completely absurd.

00:15:12.000 They say, if your communications are only U.S. communications, we are definitely not intercepting them.

00:15:18.000 But, you know, if you have a lot of followers on Twitter, it's 100% certain that you've interacted with Twitter followers who are not living in the United States.

00:15:26.000 If you've ever received an email that's like a spam email, it's almost certain that that did not originate on a U.S. server.

00:15:32.000 It originated somewhere in Europe or Russia.

00:15:34.000 And, you know, when you visit websites, most of the shit you look at is not based in the U.S. So whenever you do those things.

00:15:40.000 Most of shit you look at.

00:15:42.000 Busted.

00:15:42.000 See that shit?

00:15:44.000 Come on, son.

00:15:44.000 I'm on American websites all day.

00:15:47.000 Pornhub is American from what I understand.

00:15:49.000 Couldn't you like just forward your phone number to a home phone number and then direct your text messages through a website that you know isn't recording your information?

00:15:57.000 Like is there some kind of hack that you can hack yourself to a king phone?

00:16:02.000 What's so bad about this from an economic perspective is there are already companies that are positioning themselves as we're U.S. free.

00:16:09.000 You know, your data won't be stored in the U.S. It's like we're infected now with this out-of-control corrupt government.

00:16:15.000 And what sucks about that is we're the ones who make this shit happen.

00:16:18.000 Like cloud storage, innovative stuff like Facebook and Google, you know, content companies like YouTube and Stitcher and all this stuff.

00:16:26.000 This is what we're good at as a country.

00:16:28.000 And we export it all around the world.

00:16:29.000 And now we're like tainted goods because you can't trust us anymore.

00:16:33.000 Our government is too crazy.

00:16:34.000 Just for the same reason that a lot of companies don't want to do business in China because it would mean buying off a lot of people and dealing with a lot of bullshit.

00:16:41.000 Now the U.S. is becoming a place where great people, great innovation, but the government is too volatile and you can't trust it.

00:16:47.000 And that's terrible.

00:16:48.000 So that means that we're not going to be the ones who pull ahead over the next 50 years.

00:16:52.000 It's so fucked up because if you talk to people that, you know, normal folks in America that will exhibit some sort of patriotism, they have an idea of what America is.

00:17:03.000 Like everyone's idea of America, America is, you know, hey, this is a truly free country where a person is not tied down by their lineage.

00:17:11.000 They can make something out of themselves with a lot of success stories, a nation of free-thinking individuals.

00:17:17.000 We have all these like positive things that we attach to it.

00:17:19.000 But goddamn if we're not governed by a bunch of paranoid fucking weirdos.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, and they wrap themselves in the flag.

00:17:27.000 I think most Americans are good people, obviously, or I want to be here.

00:17:31.000 And it's not the people, and it's not the companies here.

00:17:34.000 It's the government has gone beyond the bounds that were set out for you.

00:17:38.000 Isn't that what happens when, like, if you have a paradigm that you've been operating under, and then all of a sudden that paradigm is just dissolving under you, like rising tide, and you know what's happening.

00:17:52.000 So what do you do?

00:17:53.000 You try to put a bunch of crazy laws in place to try to stop it.

00:17:56.000 You try to be able to check out it.

00:17:58.000 You fucking put the fear of God in everybody.

00:18:00.000 Check out all their emails.

00:18:01.000 Look at all their dick pics. 0.68

00:18:03.000 Look at all their phone calls they're making at 3 o'clock in the morning when they're drunk.

00:18:06.000 Look at everything.

00:18:07.000 I got you, bitch. 1.00

00:18:08.000 You better keep your fucking mouth shut.

00:18:09.000 We're going to keep running it this way.

00:18:10.000 Well, what's crazy is the director of the NSA, Keith Alexander, General Keith Alexander, he was giving testimony before Congress.

00:18:18.000 And I think this was either earlier today or yesterday.

00:18:20.000 And at the end of his testimony, he didn't realize that the mic was still hot next to him.

00:18:24.000 And he leans over to one of his aides and says, I need to buy your boss a freaking beer, talking about the FBI guys who were testifying in support of this program.

00:18:33.000 And so, you know, at the end of the day, what he said, that's nothing wrong.

00:18:37.000 Of course, the FBI and the NSA collaborate.

00:18:40.000 That's what they do.

00:18:40.000 They're intelligence agencies and law enforcement agents, or in the case of the FBI, you know what I'm saying.

00:18:45.000 They're the same shit.

00:18:46.000 And so nothing he said there was wrong.

00:18:50.000 That actually shows that he's a human being and goes out to drink beer every now and then.

00:18:54.000 It isn't this, you know, a computer.

00:18:56.000 So nothing he said was wrong, but just that single line that he didn't want the world to hear and the world heard has been analyzed to death online.

00:19:05.000 It hit the front page of Reddit.

00:19:07.000 People are in conspiracy land now.

00:19:09.000 And if you think like, you know, this guy, he didn't want that line of conversation to hit the wrong people.

00:19:16.000 What about every single text message you've ever sent?

00:19:18.000 Every single website you've ever sent.

00:19:20.000 It's kind of, it's richly ironic, right?

00:19:23.000 It's showing that this is not a good system.

00:19:24.000 Even if you have nothing to hide, maybe you don't want your future employer to see every porn website you've been to, every medical condition you've looked up, and every deleted text message from the woman you're seeing.

00:19:37.000 It's just not their fucking place to see that in the first place.

00:19:39.000 And then, why extend that power to a government agent who is just somebody who applied for a job and happens to have a clean record?

00:19:46.000 That's all an NSA analyst is.

00:19:47.000 Again, they're not people who have detached themselves from the ego and they're driven only by love of country.

00:19:52.000 I would hope that's what most of them are there for.

00:19:54.000 But we don't know that.

00:19:55.000 People are people, and that's why we have a constitution.

00:19:57.000 That's why we have the Bill of Rights, is to prevent this from happening in the first place.

00:20:01.000 This is very well put.

00:20:02.000 And I think, unfortunately, the reality of our times is that things are moving in the direction of a complete elimination of all boundaries between people and information.

00:20:15.000 I just don't know if there's any way to stop it.

00:20:17.000 And when you find out that the people with the you can't say like the ability to like what the government is doing, they have to do in secretly, in secrecy, because no one is going to allow it.

00:20:31.000 No one is going to say, like, yeah, I fully support you listening to every fucking email to stop the occasional.

00:20:37.000 Are you chewing icy motherfucker?

00:20:39.000 To stop the occasional terror.

00:20:41.000 I mean, think about how many terrorism, how many terrorist activities, how many people die of terrorism, as opposed to how many people die just from drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes.

00:20:50.000 The government doesn't try to ever get you to stop doing those things, but way more people die from them than are ever going to probably die from terrorism.

00:20:57.000 I mean, 400,000 people every year die from cigarettes, and you never hear the government talking about how cigarettes are the enemy.

00:21:03.000 What they're doing is they're trying to keep people scared.

00:21:07.000 And by trying to keep people scared, they can continue to govern things the way they're doing it.

00:21:11.000 So the way to be able to check out all your email and keep everybody back on their heels is to say, we have to protect you from terrorism.

00:21:19.000 We're trying to stop terrorism.

00:21:20.000 And the way to stop terrorism is you got to check everything.

00:21:23.000 You got to look at everybody's dick pics.

00:21:25.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 And then if we happen to find out along the way.

00:21:28.000 That you're gay. 0.99

00:21:29.000 Yeah, that you're gay and that you're going to be running for some office in the future.

00:21:33.000 And you have cancer?

00:21:34.000 Yeah, or that you smoke marijuana and you happen to live in a conservative state and you're a congressman who plans on investigating the NSA, they can just give you a little heads up.

00:21:44.000 Maybe think twice before you say anything on that oversight committee.

00:21:47.000 And I'm not saying this stuff is happening, but I guess my whole issue is why wouldn't it happen?

00:21:52.000 If they've been this dishonest about the extent to which they're spying on people and now they're like, oh, we're transparent.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, after a whistleblower goes to Hong Kong at the risk of his life and reveals these documents, then you're transparent.

00:22:05.000 And then there's a credibility problem.

00:22:06.000 It's the difference between you calling the IRS and being like, look, I'm a little bit behind on my taxes.

00:22:11.000 Difference between that and them being like, what is this account and the payments?

00:22:14.000 You know, what is this all about?

00:22:16.000 It's a huge difference.

00:22:17.000 Same with anything.

00:22:18.000 It's like going to your girlfriend and saying you fucked up about something versus her finding out and then you have to explain yourself.

00:22:24.000 And that's what the government is doing now.

00:22:26.000 And the two arguments they're making are, to anyone who's reasonably intelligent, are not acceptable.

00:22:32.000 They say, this is nothing new.

00:22:33.000 This is all routine.

00:22:34.000 This is no big deal.

00:22:36.000 Well, then why are you treating this guy as if he's blown the cover off something huge?

00:22:40.000 If this is no big deal, why did Senator Lindsey Graham say that he will go to the ends of the earth to track this guy down?

00:22:46.000 You know, why are they treating him as if he's such a threat to national security if we all knew that all of our shit was being looked at anyway?

00:22:52.000 Well, we definitely didn't all know that.

00:22:54.000 There's no doubt about that.

00:22:55.000 But there was some concern about the facility they were building in Utah.

00:23:01.000 I had heard about that online.

00:23:03.000 You had spoken about it.

00:23:05.000 Michael Rupert had spoken about it, that they're building a facility that stores everything.

00:23:10.000 It's going to be a massive, gigantic data center.

00:23:12.000 And the idea is, look, if you don't do anything wrong, they're never going to look into it.

00:23:16.000 But the reality is, who are they and how did they get that position?

00:23:22.000 They're just human beings.

00:23:24.000 And the laws change over time.

00:23:25.000 Like, just to give you a nightmare scenario, 2016, let's say we get a president, what's his fucking name?

00:23:32.000 President Santorum or President Rick Perry, somebody like that.

00:23:35.000 And because they feel like this is a good way to gain support from the conservative base, they go on a morality platform, which has happened before in the United States.

00:23:42.000 Look at prohibition.

00:23:43.000 They go on a morality platform.

00:23:45.000 They say, look, the U.S. is falling behind China and all these other countries.

00:23:48.000 The reason why is that we're soft.

00:23:49.000 You know, we're a bunch of druggies and a bunch of alcoholics.

00:23:52.000 So from here on out, we're not just going to continue to keep marijuana criminalized.

00:23:57.000 We're going to super criminalize it and just eradicate it from the United States.

00:24:01.000 And so what they do in that case is even though it wasn't illegal four years ago to send emails to your friends talking about the medical marijuana clinic that you go to in California, even though that's totally fine in 2013, in 2016, it's no longer legal to talk about those things and to promote that ideology.

00:24:18.000 And all you have to do is do a keyword search in their database and find everybody who is sympathetic to marijuana reform and make their lives a little bit more difficult.

00:24:26.000 Maybe hit them with audits or trumped up charges or anything.

00:24:30.000 And when that happens, you're not living in a representative democracy anymore.

00:24:35.000 You're living in a place where unelected people are people who have been elected and then corrupted are making decisions for you and there's nothing you can do about it.

00:24:42.000 And you don't even know the decisions are being made until it impacts you personally.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, and this is really a pattern that has repeated itself over and over again throughout human history.

00:24:53.000 And it's really exactly what the founding fathers of this country were trying to prevent when they crafted the Constitution.

00:24:59.000 They were trying to protect against this continual cycle of people getting to power and then abusing that power.

00:25:07.000 It just, it happens.

00:25:08.000 It's always happened.

00:25:09.000 It's the way humans do it.

00:25:11.000 And slowly but surely they've chipped away at it with things like NDAA or the Patriot Act.

00:25:16.000 And they do it while nothing's happening.

00:25:19.000 They're not like they're doing it while bombs are blowing up overhead and we need to declare martial law and figure out what's going on and lock everything down.

00:25:26.000 It's not like that at all.

00:25:28.000 They're just recognizing the tide coming in and they're scrambling and they're trying to find all sorts of new ways to get at data.

00:25:35.000 But in the meantime, though, their data is being compromised.

00:25:39.000 It's funny you said the tide's coming in because one of the best theories I've seen so far on why they're doing all this stuff was published in the Guardian newspaper the other day.

00:25:48.000 And the theory that this one guy proposed is that the government strongly believes that economic and possibly energy unrest, so the price of fuel, as well as people's wages and their savings, All of that stuff is going to be an upheaval in the near future, and the reason why is climate change.

00:26:05.000 If you think about New York City, if just the tide levels rise by a couple feet, you're talking about the New York Stock Exchange flooding out and that market being closed for a couple weeks to the minimum and total financial chaos.

00:26:17.000 Not to mention all the people who lose their lives in the flooding.

00:26:20.000 So if you realize how serious climate change is and that half the country, the sort of Fox News view is just to mock it and pretend like it's bullshit.

00:26:28.000 This is happening and apparently the government is concerned about the unrest that will come from just one major catastrophe, that people will start to protest the government.

00:26:37.000 They'll say, you didn't do your job.

00:26:38.000 You should have known about this beforehand.

00:26:39.000 And there will be just absolute upheaval.

00:26:42.000 So what pisses me off about this is if that's the reason why the government is storing all of our emails is so that they can pick out all the influencers within protest groups in the future.

00:26:52.000 If that's what this is all about, it's fucking absolutely disgusting that they're using their considerable resources and technology to make sure that protests don't take off in the U.S. instead of using that talent and technology to prevent these things from happening in the first place.

00:27:07.000 Let's tackle climate change.

00:27:09.000 Let's figure out how we don't have a drought in the future.

00:27:11.000 Right, but what you're saying is very general.

00:27:14.000 You're dealing with a bunch of compartmentalized people.

00:27:17.000 And so if you're attacking their specific thing, whether it's the IRS or whether it's the NSA, if you're going after their specific department, they're not going to think, you know what, we need to just put a man on the moon.

00:27:30.000 They're not thinking like that.

00:27:31.000 They're thinking we have to protect our organization.

00:27:35.000 And that's what it's toxic because it's corporation thinking.

00:27:39.000 It's corporate thinking with guns.

00:27:41.000 You said man on the moon.

00:27:42.000 Our grandparents put humans on the moon.

00:27:45.000 And now we're just trying to fight the government to not read our emails.

00:27:47.000 It's like we're moving backwards in time.

00:27:50.000 Well, there's a lack of privacy that is just overwhelmingly apparent when you look at the future.

00:28:00.000 If you extrapolate the future, the lack of privacy is the thing that people dread the most over the last few years, whether it's someone hacking into your email or someone spying on your phone calls or the fact that it now is completely a reality.

00:28:16.000 That was something that people were really worried about for a long time.

00:28:20.000 As it gets more and more invasive, as technology permeates your life more and more, it's going to.

00:28:26.000 It's going to reach some point where we have neural chips, where we have a headpiece that we wear.

00:28:31.000 We have something.

00:28:32.000 That's not so bad if it's open to everyone.

00:28:34.000 It will be.

00:28:35.000 But right now, it's only the government looking at it, so it's a one-way mirror.

00:28:39.000 I really believe, I know people give me shit about this, and they think it's a very utopian way of looking at the world, but I truly believe that this new age that we're entering into, this age of complete openness, is going to force people to be accountable.

00:28:57.000 It's going to change behavior.

00:28:59.000 And even the people that govern, they're going to govern differently.

00:29:04.000 They're going to have to.

00:29:05.000 They're going to want to.

00:29:06.000 You're not going to want to feel the repercussions from all these people that you're doing something wrong.

00:29:11.000 You're going to feel bad.

00:29:12.000 You're going to change.

00:29:13.000 It's not a good life to be suppressing and bullying and dominating people and using dirty tactics like reading their emails to control your political agenda and to intimidate your opponents.

00:29:31.000 It's evil.

00:29:32.000 And it's not good for you either.

00:29:34.000 The person who does it, it's shit for you.

00:29:36.000 You're going to get cancer.

00:29:38.000 You're going to freak out.

00:29:40.000 The negative energy that you're putting out there in the world, that's not a free ride.

00:29:43.000 You can't be some global fucking asshole that's poisoning third world countries for profit.

00:29:51.000 You can't be that guy and sleep like a baby and wake up with a smile.

00:29:55.000 You're a flawed human being.

00:29:57.000 It's unconsciousness.

00:29:58.000 I've thought a lot about this, about why these consulting companies are working with the government to spy on American citizens.

00:30:04.000 And they're even building similar systems for Middle Eastern countries where, you know, at least here we can tell ourselves that Obama will never use this against us and that there are these supposed safeguards in place, which really...

00:30:17.000 Well, that's what people do.

00:30:18.000 We don't like to think that it could happen here.

00:30:19.000 But let me just play this out.

00:30:21.000 The same companies that built that shit over here and maintain it are building similar systems in the Middle East.

00:30:26.000 And those countries are corrupt monarchies that have no qualms about using it to do exactly what I said, to figure out who the protesters are, to pull them out of their homes and torture them until they stop protesting.

00:30:37.000 And it's appalling to me that American companies are involved in this.

00:30:41.000 And I kept thinking, how is this possible?

00:30:43.000 Because I know some people who work in the defense field and stuff of that nature, those kinds of companies.

00:30:50.000 And I'm like, they're not bad people.

00:30:52.000 And I think what it is, is this unconsciousness.

00:30:54.000 You have people who are around that guy, Edward Snowden's age, around my age, who are making more money than they should be making, $200,000 a year.

00:31:02.000 And just these assholes wearing khakis flying all over the world. 0.99

00:31:06.000 And they're in a position of privilege, you know, airport lounges, attractive women. 1.00

00:31:10.000 They make more than most people that age make.

00:31:12.000 And they have access to extraordinary power.

00:31:16.000 And they're doing this because they've been told that that's what you're supposed to do.

00:31:18.000 After college, you should be successful.

00:31:20.000 You want to make a lot of money, have a nice girlfriend, do these things.

00:31:24.000 And so you're just in this little pool, this isolated pool of other people who are doing the same thing as you.

00:31:29.000 And so you're like, well, my friend Tom, he's making $215,000 a year.

00:31:33.000 So I have to do a good job on this NSA project to make sure I make $240,000 next year and can take my girlfriend to some nice place in the Hamptons for a week.

00:31:41.000 And these people are not the ones ruling the world.

00:31:43.000 They're just the pawns for the 65-year-old, 70-year-old dudes who actually run these defense companies.

00:31:51.000 And why are they doing this stuff?

00:31:52.000 They have more money than God.

00:31:54.000 They don't need to continue doing the same things over and over again.

00:31:56.000 I think they're doing it because it becomes competitive at that point.

00:31:59.000 They want to get invited to next year's Bilderberg and jerk each other off or whatever it is they do with these things.

00:32:04.000 They want to be in the club.

00:32:05.000 And if you stop, if you're no longer a part of the process, you kind of fall out of the club.

00:32:10.000 It's unconsciousness.

00:32:10.000 And that's what it's about.

00:32:11.000 People feel like there's no other way.

00:32:13.000 Like, that's the way you should live your life is to gain more and more influence until you die.

00:32:16.000 And maybe that's not the right approach.

00:32:18.000 Well, human beings are incredibly malleable.

00:32:21.000 I mean, we're able to adapt to strange situations and we're able to rise and fall to incredible heights and depths.

00:32:29.000 I mean, we're fucking weird, man.

00:32:31.000 we're not standard.

00:32:32.000 You know, there's not like a normal human.

00:32:35.000 Like, the way humans vary, like, in behavior and personality and capabilities, it's not like anything in the animal kingdom.

00:32:41.000 A tiger is a fucking tiger, is a fucking tiger.

00:32:43.000 You know, you could feed one, and if you're lucky, he associates you with being a good thing because you feed him.

00:32:48.000 But if one day he decides to go Siegfried and Roy on you, that's his choice, okay?

00:32:53.000 There's nothing you can do about that.

00:32:55.000 Humans are so different.

00:32:58.000 There's so much variability, and it's weird.

00:33:01.000 There's so many variables.

00:33:04.000 To make a good human is incredibly difficult.

00:33:06.000 And until we concentrate on making good people, until we concentrate on the impoverished people in this country, this world even, I mean, until we look at the weakest link of humanity, if we really do look at humanity, we want to pretend we're humane.

00:33:19.000 We really do look at it collectively.

00:33:21.000 The thing you have to do is you've got to stop all these bad spots.

00:33:24.000 If you have a foundation and the foundation is all fucked up with worms and termites and shit, you got to cut that out and rebuild it.

00:33:31.000 If you don't have a good foundation, you're fucked.

00:33:32.000 If you look at any society, look at the weakest link.

00:33:35.000 The weakest link is its biggest problem.

00:33:37.000 And the weakest link in this country is completely ignored.

00:33:39.000 Poor people are like, fuck you, get your own, figure it out, fuck yourself. 1.00

00:33:44.000 There's so little money being put into it.

00:33:47.000 have to pay for school.

00:33:48.000 You know, when it comes to colleges, Try getting a grant.

00:33:53.000 Okay, you got a grant.

00:33:54.000 Congratulations.

00:33:55.000 Not try to get in a job once you get out of there.

00:33:57.000 Oh, back to the situation.

00:33:59.000 $7 an hour or unemployed.

00:34:01.000 Massive struggle to try to get out of that situation.

00:34:04.000 And no resources put to trying to solve it, like social engineering as a culture.

00:34:09.000 Like, let's look at our brothers and sisters and say, how can we help them?

00:34:13.000 How can we make sure that these babies aren't growing in these incredibly toxic environments?

00:34:17.000 They're going to be damaged human beings that go out to inflict more bullshit on society.

00:34:22.000 All of that can be avoided if you cut it off at the path.

00:34:24.000 All of that can be avoided.

00:34:25.000 It sounds so cliche, but with love and understanding.

00:34:28.000 Like, if we treated it that way and realize that we're not going to fucking be in this thing forever.

00:34:33.000 And we now, for the first time ever, all have access to the right amount of information where we should be able to sort this out.

00:34:41.000 We should all be able to understand what the fuck is really going on with human behavior, what's really going on with the way corporations can act as an individual, but yet no one inside the corporation feels anything that the individual is doing that's horrible.

00:34:56.000 Everyone wants to fuse it.

00:34:58.000 When they feel that way, they become a whistleblower.

00:35:00.000 And then the media says that they're a traitor and a narcissist.

00:35:04.000 This guy has turned down, by the way, the guy Snowden, has turned down every single major TV interview that has been thrown his way, which is pretty much all of them.

00:35:11.000 So if he's a narcissist, why is he turning down all the press?

00:35:14.000 He's clearly, and why would he destroy his life?

00:35:16.000 That makes no sense.

00:35:17.000 Clearly, that's bullshit.

00:35:18.000 But that's what happens is when you're in a corporation or in an organization, you see that the stuff around you is not functioning the way it should, that person's a whistleblower if they choose to step up.

00:35:27.000 And instead of us being as a society, like, holy shit, that person did a heroic thing.

00:35:32.000 They're for sure getting a big-ass book deal and are going to get laid for the rest of their lives because of what they've done for this country.

00:35:38.000 Instead of that being the paradigm where we reward those people, it's like traitor.

00:35:44.000 Traitor and you want to step back because you don't want to get caught in the waves.

00:35:46.000 Right.

00:35:47.000 You don't want to be taking him out.

00:35:49.000 And they can never get a job again.

00:35:50.000 Like Thomas Drake, the other NSA whistleblower, there are actually several of them.

00:35:54.000 Thomas Drake, his life over the past few years sounds like a movie, and it probably will be a movie someday soon.

00:36:00.000 He was a senior executive at the NSA or a senior official there and saw what was going on, saw that it was deeply un-American and unconstitutional and became a whistleblower.

00:36:10.000 And they went after him with everything they had, charged him under the Espionage Act.

00:36:16.000 And now he ended up not going to prison.

00:36:19.000 He was very fortunate in that respect, not to go to prison.

00:36:21.000 But now he works at an Apple store as an hourly retail rep, just at a fucking Apple store telling people about the new iPhone.

00:36:29.000 And this is a guy who was privy to the government's most sophisticated technological secrets.

00:36:35.000 And now he's telling people how to refresh their mail.

00:36:38.000 Maybe he likes it.

00:36:40.000 That's a good gig.

00:36:41.000 That's a relaxing job.

00:36:43.000 I'm saying it's a great gig, but if you're one of the smartest people in the country to the point where the NSA recruits you, these are not stupid people.

00:36:49.000 So you're saying that he can't get a job anywhere else.

00:36:51.000 The reason why he's there.

00:36:52.000 That he's blackballed.

00:36:53.000 Wow.

00:36:54.000 Because other intelligence agencies don't want that person around when really, if you're not doing anything wrong and you're a big company or a big government agency, you should want to recruit people like that to show them off.

00:37:05.000 You know, look, we hired this guy, so we're above board.

00:37:08.000 We're not doing anything illegal, but they don't do that.

00:37:10.000 Those people are kind of fucked for a while.

00:37:11.000 Maybe he's a dick.

00:37:12.000 Maybe he gets the hang of them.

00:37:13.000 You're like, fuck this guy.

00:37:14.000 Maybe he wasn't that smart to begin with.

00:37:16.000 It was just that whoever hired him was just dumb.

00:37:18.000 Maybe he's a traitor.

00:37:20.000 He could be a traitor.

00:37:22.000 Look, you know, and I don't mean to demean his accomplishments or what he did or his courage in any way in real life.

00:37:28.000 We're joking around.

00:37:29.000 The reality, though, is a brave man.

00:37:32.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:37:33.000 And you're absolutely right that it's a real travesty, and it's sad that we all look at America as like one thing.

00:37:42.000 But if you see at the root of it, like the people that are running it, the disdain that they have for the privacy of the American people is the rights of it.

00:37:52.000 For the rights.

00:37:53.000 And they want to chip away at them.

00:37:54.000 And even a guy like Obama, which is, I was, man, when Obama won, I was so fucking happy.

00:38:01.000 When he first became president, I was like, oh my God, like we really have broken through the clouds.

00:38:07.000 Yeah, I was in Union Square at the time with my girlfriend in New York.

00:38:11.000 There was like mist in the air.

00:38:12.000 I'm not making this up.

00:38:13.000 There was actually mist in the air.

00:38:14.000 There was just a sea of people cheering him on with this big TV screen.

00:38:19.000 And I voted for him in 2008.

00:38:20.000 And I was definitely a part of that, you know, the Kool-Aid drinking club of hope and change.

00:38:24.000 And yes, we can.

00:38:25.000 He said, yes, we can.

00:38:26.000 It doesn't mean that he actually would.

00:38:28.000 And I bought into it completely.

00:38:31.000 And that's part of the reason why I've become such a critic is covering these stories over the past year and a half, you see that his great speeches have almost no correlation to what he is actually doing after the TV turns off and he goes back to running his administration.

00:38:46.000 And that's what really makes my blood boil.

00:38:49.000 You just were talking about Obama before my phone dies.

00:38:52.000 I really want to read this.

00:38:54.000 This is from MSN News.

00:38:56.000 It's not from some right-wing site Glenn Beck, or something like that.

00:39:01.000 So he's planning a trip to Africa, and they're saying it might be the most expensive presidential trip ever.

00:39:07.000 This is a quote from MSN News.

00:39:09.000 The trip, which begins June 26th, could cost $60 million to $100 million and could be one of the most expensive presidential trips in United States history, one unnamed source told the Washington Post.

00:39:21.000 The higher estimated cost of this month's trip is partially due to elaborate security provisions.

00:39:26.000 Let me just read the actual stats.

00:39:27.000 Resources will reportedly include hundreds of U.S. Secret Service agents and a Navy aircraft carrier with a fully staffed medical trauma center.

00:39:36.000 Military cargo planes will transport 56 support vehicles, including 14 limousines and three trucks loaded with sheets of bulletproof glass to cover the windows of the hotels where the first family will stay.

00:39:49.000 And my question is, is that a reasonable use of money?

00:39:53.000 14 limousines?

00:39:54.000 Why can't we just have two or three?

00:39:56.000 And this guy's a president of a constitutional republic, or is he the emperor of some high-tech dystopian society that spies on the whole world and deploys drones to countries that we don't like to kill people on the basis of this secret information we're obtaining through their email?

00:40:12.000 And you start to wonder, like, we've strayed pretty far from the farmers in the 13 colonies who were like, we need a form of government that's going to resist future power grabs.

00:40:23.000 We're in a totally different world from what they envisioned.

00:40:27.000 Yeah, we're like super techno-gangster.

00:40:29.000 That's really what it is.

00:40:30.000 We're a super techno-gangster society that's controlling resources everywhere.

00:40:36.000 We're like Rome times a million.

00:40:37.000 Yeah.

00:40:38.000 I think if you were to beam Julius Caesar to the present day.

00:40:41.000 He'd be like, God damn Obama.

00:40:43.000 Yeah, he would be impressed.

00:40:45.000 It would take about an afternoon or two to bring him up to speed on the internet, podcasts, satellites.

00:40:50.000 Once you do that, though, they're exactly the same.

00:40:53.000 I guess I'm being kind of harsh on Obama, but I think ideologically they're exactly the same kinds of people.

00:40:57.000 Well, they're not living in the same time.

00:40:59.000 If they were living in the same time, they'd have probably similar behavior.

00:41:02.000 You know, that's the thing that people have to realize is that there's so many steps removed from the person in charge of the country or the person in charge of the Army even and the brutalization that happens on the ground.

00:41:13.000 You know, and Obama is very, very far removed from the brutalization that happens.

00:41:17.000 In fact, the weird new kind of brutalization that happens where everyone's removed except the people that get hit.

00:41:24.000 That's what's so strange about drones.

00:41:27.000 The idea that someone could be nowhere near where this is happening and do something that causes someone to stop living and that it happens on a regular basis.

00:41:35.000 It's the ultimate detachment from reality.

00:41:39.000 And it's an excellent technological solution as far as saving troops and all that stuff.

00:41:43.000 If you looked at it that way, if you wanted to be pragmatic on the side of Americans, but it's not that effective.

00:41:48.000 It kills a lot of people that it's not supposed to kill.

00:41:51.000 It kills a lot of kids.

00:41:52.000 It's killed many kids.

00:41:54.000 And it's creepy.

00:41:55.000 There's something creepy about it.

00:41:57.000 Yeah.

00:41:58.000 It's too much disconnection between people you're killing and doing it.

00:42:02.000 And it's too easy to do it to Americans where you don't even have to go to trial.

00:42:05.000 Speaking of too easy, this will freak everybody out a little bit.

00:42:10.000 So the list, we've already broken the precedent of targeting and killing American citizens without a trial using drones.

00:42:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:42:17.000 Four U.S. citizens have been killed that way that we know of.

00:42:20.000 And granted, the one guy was an asshole and probably deserved it, but the other three we don't really know.

00:42:25.000 The one guy was the guy who broke out.

00:42:27.000 He was like some Muslim propagandist. 0.99

00:42:29.000 If you're actually propagandizing people and inciting them to violence, then you're an asshole and you really kind of get what you deserve.

00:42:37.000 But we've now created that slippery slope.

00:42:40.000 Not even a slippery slope.

00:42:41.000 We've gone down the slope.

00:42:42.000 Now we've actually killed American citizens with drones.

00:42:45.000 So in the future, court cases will look back to that.

00:42:47.000 That's the precedent that we've done it.

00:42:49.000 President Obama, the thoughtful liberal constitutional law scholar, thinks that it's okay.

00:42:55.000 So it's certainly okay for President Rick Perry to do that.

00:43:00.000 Why do you keep saying that?

00:43:01.000 Because that's the scariest outcome.

00:43:02.000 Stop saying that.

00:43:03.000 I think he just recently, I think either in Texas or in Florida, they're trying to make it a felony to even own Florida.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, two pipes if you get caught twice.

00:43:14.000 So that's why I keep saying that because that's a real possibility is you get somebody like that in the Oval Office and they have all these toys and they use it in the worst ways possible.

00:43:23.000 And all you'll hear about it is Aaron Burnett on CNN saying some radical terrorists were killed last night and they happen to be in the United States.

00:43:32.000 And most Americans will go, well, good.

00:43:34.000 I don't want those people here anyways.

00:43:34.000 I want to be safe.

00:43:36.000 And you don't look into the fact that, well, what have they actually done?

00:43:38.000 They did nothing.

00:43:39.000 They were just on the wrong list and they planned on attending some protest and now they're vaporized.

00:43:44.000 I'm not saying that's going to happen tomorrow, but I'm saying we've 100% laid the legal groundwork for that to happen.

00:43:49.000 Well, that's essentially Kent State 2013 style.

00:43:52.000 Right.

00:43:53.000 It's essentially what it is.

00:43:54.000 Or Ruby Ridge or any of that stuff.

00:43:56.000 Well, yeah.

00:43:57.000 Well, Kent State especially.

00:43:58.000 I don't know what really happened on Ruby Ridge.

00:44:00.000 I don't know how kooky that dude was when they were shooting at people.

00:44:04.000 Do you know?

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 No, I don't know that story at all.

00:44:07.000 I wasn't there, obviously.

00:44:08.000 Kent State was just students.

00:44:10.000 Just mowing down students.

00:44:11.000 Yeah, I mean, the whole us versus them shit, I think, is way harder to pull off today, though, because the cops realize that they're not the Bill de Berg group.

00:44:20.000 They're not chilling with Obama, you know, eating caviar on a nuclear submarine.

00:44:26.000 Yeah, they're not spending $100 million on their vacation, and their kids are not going to these elite schools.

00:44:32.000 Well, it's not only that, they have to know at this point in time that they are the exact cops are exactly the same as the people they're arresting.

00:44:41.000 They're just regular citizens.

00:44:42.000 A cop is just like you.

00:44:44.000 He just has a different job and a different loyalty, and then he becomes a part of a team, and then he has loyalty to that team.

00:44:50.000 They cover up for each other, and then you might have a dirty boss, you might have a boss that's good.

00:44:54.000 But it's like that's exactly what it becomes.

00:44:56.000 It becomes a person, just a person who becomes a part of a community and then assimilates.

00:45:02.000 And when the community is rotten, it's very difficult to be clean.

00:45:06.000 It's very difficult.

00:45:08.000 Look at, I mean, we all assume that Obama was this like super awesome guy, and we all assume that he was going to go in there and switch things up.

00:45:15.000 Let's assume that he actually was.

00:45:17.000 Let's assume that he actually was who he seemed to be his entire life up until he became president.

00:45:22.000 Well, that just goes to show you how rotten the community that he got inserted into.

00:45:28.000 He got inserted into some shit that's just completely fucked.

00:45:31.000 And it's not too late for him to do the right thing.

00:45:33.000 He's a second-term president.

00:45:35.000 if he were to go through with just 15% of the stuff he promised on the campaign trail, you start to rein in these things that he was supposed to have done, then it's not too late to change things.

00:45:46.000 But I'm not saying that's going to happen.

00:45:48.000 I think he has already, he has shown us his cards.

00:45:52.000 And whatever remaining shred of respect I had for the guy, I lost it after watching that press conference on June 7th or 8th, where he lied to the American people.

00:46:02.000 He said, we're not listening to your phone calls.

00:46:04.000 That's not what this program is about.

00:46:06.000 A, that's lawyer speak because the metadata tells you so much about people.

00:46:10.000 And B, it appears that you actually are listening to phone calls in a lot of cases.

00:46:15.000 So either you don't know what your own administration is doing, which is possible, in which case you need to fucking fire those people and have an independent investigation into why they're doing something against your wishes, or you do know about this, and it's a total 180 from everything you said on the campaign trail.

00:46:30.000 Like people always say to me, they're like, well, Bush started these programs.

00:46:33.000 I don't see why you're giving Obama such a hard time.

00:46:35.000 And I go, that's right, but Obama didn't say I'm going to be, you know, aggressively continuing the same path as Bush.

00:46:41.000 Young people got out to vote because he said, enough.

00:46:44.000 You know, America needs a clean slate.

00:46:46.000 We're not doing this post-9-11 craziness anymore.

00:46:49.000 We're going to have the rule of law.

00:46:50.000 I'm a constitutional law scholar, all that stuff.

00:46:54.000 And then we find out that secretly the program has actually been expanding and bringing all these new companies on board to harvest our data.

00:47:01.000 And I think that's when I lost that final shred of respect because I'd already been covering like NDAA and the growth of the TSA and all these things that I disagree with.

00:47:09.000 And then you're like, wait a second, why are you doing this?

00:47:12.000 Now there's no shadow of a doubt.

00:47:13.000 You either don't know what your own government is doing, in which case you're bad at your job, or you do know and you're being dishonest with Americans.

00:47:19.000 How much power do you think he has?

00:47:21.000 He's the most powerful person in the world.

00:47:23.000 Do you think that's real?

00:47:24.000 I think that's real or else why would it matter so much who we choose?

00:47:27.000 I think he's the – I mean, doesn't it get boiled down, first of all, to two parties, which is bullshit.

00:47:35.000 Second of all, to two people that are absolutely supported by gigantic corporations?

00:47:39.000 It's not like there's any rogue independence that sneaked through.

00:47:43.000 He went to war with Libya, basically unilaterally, right?

00:47:47.000 I mean, you're an influential guy.

00:47:50.000 You can't go on Twitter and decide to start a war with Libya.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, but why do you say he?

00:47:55.000 You keep saying he.

00:47:56.000 But this is where my dispute is.

00:47:58.000 It might not be Obama who.

00:48:00.000 No, I don't necessarily believe that they would allow a new person to come in every four years and just run shit.

00:48:07.000 And that's possible also, because if the NSA is doing what we now know they're doing, what if they're like, look, we know you have all these plans to do A, B, and C for the country, but we have these really kind of embarrassing phone calls between you and whoever his but enough to compromise him and or just maybe just seduce him with that level of well have you have you ever tried to do anything where you have to involve a bunch of people that also get to make decisions yeah it becomes a dick-swinging contract that

00:48:38.000 I need to hang around with Red Band more often.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, you do.

00:48:42.000 You definitely do.

00:48:42.000 I benefit.

00:48:43.000 You definitely do.

00:48:44.000 Wear a condom.

00:48:45.000 It's real easy to get caught up in the hustle of how you're living and to not have the ability to step back and take a deep breath and look at the whole thing collectively.

00:49:01.000 And what Obama and all these other guys are doing is just playing into the direction that it's been going.

00:49:08.000 going and been going forever, but only going right now, at least, on the level that they can achieve.

00:49:16.000 It has to be someone at the highest levels of government that can store all the data of all the phone calls all over the world.

00:49:22.000 But that's just now.

00:49:24.000 I feel like what they can do now by listening to every phone call and reading every text, you're going to be able to do in 100 years from now, five years from now, whatever it is, 10 years from now.

00:49:37.000 I don't think there's any room in this world for secrets.

00:49:41.000 I think it's a leftover thing that we cherish.

00:49:44.000 Financial aspect of being able to spy on people around the world.

00:49:47.000 Well, here it gets even deeper.

00:49:49.000 What about the financial aspect of resources being broken down to a digital thing?

00:49:56.000 Look at what money used to be.

00:49:58.000 Money was a gold standard.

00:49:59.000 It was set on gold.

00:50:00.000 It was $100 worth of gold or something that represented $100 worth of gold.

00:50:03.000 It doesn't mean shit anymore.

00:50:05.000 It means ones and zeros that are written down on paper somewhere or on a computer.

00:50:09.000 That's what it means.

00:50:09.000 That's it.

00:50:10.000 It's based entirely on confidence.

00:50:12.000 You know, and that's obviously a gross simplification of the financial system, but that's just because that's all I can do.

00:50:18.000 I don't really understand how it actually works.

00:50:20.000 No, it is a total confidence game from what I understand.

00:50:23.000 But the bottom line is it doesn't represent anything anymore.

00:50:26.000 It's becoming computer.

00:50:27.000 It's becoming ones and zeros.

00:50:29.000 Well, when we get to that point, which is fucking coming, okay, we want to pretend that everyone hates the idea of socialism.

00:50:38.000 Everyone hates the idea of communism, me included.

00:50:40.000 You know why?

00:50:41.000 Because people are fucking shady, and they don't do their part.

00:50:44.000 And it would be great if we all made the exact same amount of money, if we all worked hard, but that's not where people's motivation come from.

00:50:50.000 People's motivations come from.

00:50:52.000 You work, you achieve something, and then you feel how good that feels, then you want to continue doing that.

00:50:56.000 But if you give someone something really easily, they become spoiled and weak and lazy.

00:51:01.000 That's the problem with rich kids.

00:51:02.000 That's the problem with celebrities. 1.00

00:51:04.000 Well, that's how we're programmed.

00:51:05.000 Our biology.

00:51:06.000 I forget where I heard this, but our whole evolutionary process is about picking the easiest lane and staying in that lane.

00:51:15.000 Of course.

00:51:16.000 Once we find something that works for us, you keep doing it until it's been totally exploited and no longer works for you, and then you move on to the next thing.

00:51:22.000 And from a survival standpoint, that's a brilliant idea.

00:51:24.000 I mean, think about what it used to be like to be a human.

00:51:27.000 It's great when we're all hunter-gatherers, not so great when there's 7 billion of us.

00:51:31.000 Right.

00:51:31.000 And all of our decisions are so interconnected that me deciding to be a selfish asshole actually does impact other people.

00:51:40.000 Whereas 100,000 years ago, I could probably pluck as many apples from the tree as I wanted, and it would have no impact.

00:51:46.000 Yeah, it's definitely getting stranger and stranger.

00:51:50.000 And we're also eliminating, by use of technology, we're eliminating a lot of work.

00:51:56.000 There's a lot of things that you don't have to do physically that are done for you.

00:52:00.000 Acquiring food, your water comes at the turn of a nozzle, your heat is just a button away.

00:52:07.000 I'll go even further than that on you.

00:52:09.000 How dare you?

00:52:10.000 The number of things that we need money to acquire is actually decreasing every year.

00:52:15.000 So, I think a lot of people in this kind of like post-recession America feel like they don't have as much as they should have, which is 100% justified.

00:52:22.000 People got fucked.

00:52:23.000 But the fact of the matter is, to go on YouTube on your iPad and instantly view the best cooking instructional videos in the world or the best yoga videos, any topic you want to know about, probably the best brain surgery videos, all those topics are free.

00:52:38.000 Whereas 10 or 15 years ago, it would cost you thousands of dollars for an Encyclopedia Britannica subscription, and that would only contain a fraction of the information on YouTube.

00:52:47.000 The best podcasts in the world, like yours, are free.

00:52:50.000 People are accessing them, paying nothing for this content that to get it in, you know, 15 years ago, this kind of content would probably be a premium cable channel, and you would pay $15 or $20 a month for it.

00:53:00.000 So all these things are just becoming free.

00:53:02.000 That's the whole internet business model.

00:53:04.000 And it's going to get to the point where you just don't need to pay for most of the things in your life.

00:53:09.000 So college will fade away.

00:53:11.000 You'll just self-educate online and meet up once a week with other like-minded people.

00:53:15.000 How will you get laid?

00:53:16.000 How will you get laid?

00:53:17.000 It's very hard to get laid when you're 18 and 19.

00:53:19.000 You got to be holed up in a house of people and start drinking.

00:53:22.000 Dorm rooms.

00:53:23.000 Yeah, you got to get people confused, including yourself.

00:53:28.000 I think you're right.

00:53:29.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:53:30.000 And I think we are entering into a new era.

00:53:34.000 And it's a new era of convergence.

00:53:37.000 And this new era, what the government can do now with this NSA shit, we're all going to be able to do to each other.

00:53:43.000 And we have to realize that.

00:53:44.000 That is coming, goddammit.

00:53:46.000 You're not going to have any secrets from me, and I'm not going to have any secrets from you.

00:53:49.000 And ultimately, I think it is a beautiful thing.

00:53:53.000 It sounds fucked up, but I think it's a beautiful thing.

00:53:55.000 It's called radical, I think it's called radical transparency.

00:53:58.000 This dude, David Brin, I had him on my show, and he wrote The Postman, which is that book that Kevin Costner turned into a movie.

00:54:05.000 Which was awesome.

00:54:06.000 I thought it was good.

00:54:07.000 A lot of people didn't like it.

00:54:08.000 It was horrible.

00:54:09.000 I thought it was cool.

00:54:10.000 It was so bad.

00:54:10.000 Oh, my God.

00:54:11.000 It was so bad.

00:54:11.000 Really?

00:54:12.000 It was great.

00:54:12.000 It was so bad.

00:54:13.000 It's like Water World on the land.

00:54:16.000 I liked it.

00:54:16.000 Yeah.

00:54:17.000 Well, you must have had a really good experience when you watched it.

00:54:19.000 Did you watch it with a really pretty girl who smelled good? 0.98

00:54:22.000 Yeah, were you two fingers deep?

00:54:24.000 Hey, easy, man.

00:54:25.000 Easy.

00:54:26.000 We're talking about love over here.

00:54:28.000 Yeah, so this guy, Bryn, talks about radical transparency, which is eventually everything will be known by everyone.

00:54:33.000 At least that's what I think it means.

00:54:35.000 And that's real, man.

00:54:37.000 I feel that.

00:54:38.000 I feel that when I get high.

00:54:40.000 I do.

00:54:41.000 Sometimes when I get high, it sounds so stupid.

00:54:44.000 But when I get really stupid high and I'm just alone thinking, that's what I think of.

00:54:50.000 I think of, I feel like we are just a few months away.

00:54:55.000 It seems like, I know maybe it's years, but I feel like we are just a few months away from everybody hitting some new level of understanding each other.

00:55:05.000 Have you noticed that everything is speeding up?

00:55:07.000 I feel like even the rate.

00:55:09.000 Why'd you get up, Brian?

00:55:10.000 You panic?

00:55:13.000 The rate of these disclosures about what the government is doing.

00:55:16.000 Now it's like every day there's a new breaking leak.

00:55:20.000 It's not like it used to be where there's, you know, every now and then some big story.

00:55:23.000 Every day there's something huge in the news.

00:55:24.000 Look at Turkey where you have a young, tech-savvy population getting sick of this guy who is trying to clamp down.

00:55:32.000 You know, he's saying, all right, we've got to ban alcohol and we have to limit and get rid of public affection in public places.

00:55:40.000 Oh, jeez.

00:55:40.000 Like no more holding hands or kissing.

00:55:42.000 And the young people who have spent their whole life on the internet, like, fuck this dude.

00:55:45.000 Let's all go out and protest.

00:55:47.000 And that's what you're seeing in Turkey right now.

00:55:49.000 Massive protests.

00:55:50.000 Insane.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:52.000 And it's not just Turkey.

00:55:54.000 Do you see Brazil?

00:55:55.000 Do you see what's going on in Sao Paulo?

00:55:56.000 Brazil is taking God. 0.99

00:55:58.000 The Brazilian photos.

00:55:59.000 Look at those photos.

00:56:00.000 Look up there.

00:56:00.000 Jesus, man.

00:56:02.000 And why can't we even get 20 people out to an NDAA protest in front of the federal courthouse?

00:56:08.000 Because we're weak and we're soft.

00:56:10.000 We're like those people that we were talking about.

00:56:12.000 We're like the spoiled kids.

00:56:13.000 The kids in the khakis.

00:56:14.000 We're the people that didn't earn this.

00:56:16.000 We're not the same people that fought in World War II, okay?

00:56:18.000 It's a different group of humans.

00:56:21.000 Those were gritty survivors that just dug their fucking heels in and got shit done.

00:56:26.000 And they were scared.

00:56:27.000 They had just gotten off of the depression.

00:56:28.000 They had just gotten off of people waiting in soup lines.

00:56:31.000 And people just got shit done.

00:56:33.000 And there was a lot of bad to that too, though, man.

00:56:35.000 That sort of like desperado society creates a lot of assholes.

00:56:40.000 Yeah.

00:56:41.000 You know, creates a lot of mean motherfuckers that do whatever they got to do to get by. 1.00

00:56:45.000 I don't think that's necessary either.

00:56:47.000 There was a guy sitting next to me earlier today at this restaurant bar I was at getting lunch.

00:56:53.000 And he asked to see like a menu.

00:56:55.000 And he asked for the price of like a sprite or a Coke.

00:56:57.000 I think it was for a Sprite.

00:56:59.000 And the guy gave him the price and he like sighed.

00:57:01.000 He's like, and then he was asking if there's anything cheaper on the menu.

00:57:04.000 He's like, is there anything else?

00:57:05.000 Is it?

00:57:07.000 And I was thinking, if you're in that kind of place, you should try to find a job.

00:57:11.000 And have at least $20 stored up before you walk into a restaurant to get lunch.

00:57:16.000 And I feel like there are a lot of people who just are not putting in full effort.

00:57:20.000 Well, there's that, and there's also that the amount of jobs available today are shockingly low.

00:57:27.000 And they're not good jobs.

00:57:28.000 They're not good jobs.

00:57:29.000 But I think that, and this is very easy for me to say, obviously, I recognize this 100%.

00:57:34.000 So I apologize before I even say it.

00:57:36.000 But I think that with desperation comes innovation.

00:57:42.000 And I think when you're in a situation where you don't know what the fuck to do, your mind will scramble and you will try to figure out a better way to live your life, whether it's start your own business, whether it's, you know, do something innovative, do something, come up with an idea.

00:57:56.000 But through desperation, many incredible ideas have been started.

00:57:59.000 And so many great people have stories where they talk about rock bottom.

00:58:03.000 They were fucking eating ketchup sandwiches in their shitty one-bedroom apartment, and then they went fucking crazy and created a business.

00:58:11.000 Whatever it is that takes you to figure out how to find your place in the world, understand this.

00:58:17.000 It's difficult.

00:58:19.000 It's going to be puzzling along the way.

00:58:21.000 You're going to not know whether you go left or right, whether you should sacrifice your morals for performance or for success.

00:58:28.000 There's going to be moments where You don't know what to do and what not to do, but you can get through it.

00:58:34.000 Other people have.

00:58:36.000 Other people have been poor and then not been poor anymore.

00:58:39.000 Other people have been miserable and then figured out a way to be happy.

00:58:43.000 Other people have been lonely and figured out a way to be loved and to be worth being loved, you know, which is like step one.

00:58:49.000 It's possible, but it's not fucking easy.

00:58:52.000 And the government's not helping.

00:58:53.000 That's the problem.

00:58:54.000 We don't have any real leaders.

00:58:56.000 What we have is a bunch of people that decide what we can't do.

00:58:59.000 And that's all we have.

00:59:00.000 They're preventing innovation because you talked about that desperation, how it breeds people to come up with the right solution.

00:59:06.000 That's actually happening.

00:59:07.000 You look at all the innovation in terms of people like this Federal Reserve stuff is bullshit.

00:59:11.000 It doesn't make sense anymore for us to do things in this way.

00:59:14.000 So you have Bitcoin is created a few years ago and other digital currencies.

00:59:20.000 And the government, instead of stepping back, which is what The Economist magazine in an editorial said that the government should do is just leave this alone, let it grow for a little while.

00:59:28.000 This could be the next, you know, in the same way that America made a lot of money off the internet in the 90s.

00:59:33.000 Digital currency could be the next boom, or at least one of them.

00:59:36.000 And instead of allowing this thing to grow and see what comes out of it, they're already cracking down big time.

00:59:41.000 Now, what are they cracking down on?

00:59:43.000 And is there any justification for that cracking down?

00:59:46.000 Like, is it completely unregulated?

00:59:48.000 So is it open for scammers?

00:59:50.000 There are so many laws on the books in terms of financial stuff that if you're not one of the big three banks, they can throw anything at you until you run out of money.

00:59:58.000 So in the Bitcoin example, they went after Homeland Security, which this is not a terrorist thing.

01:00:03.000 So I'm not really sure why it's their concern anyway.

01:00:07.000 But a bunch of nerds trading digital currency is not a threat to the United States.

01:00:11.000 And Homeland Security froze the account that was one of the big exchanges accounts in the United States.

01:00:17.000 Their Wells Fargo account, they froze it, which is like just freezing part of that network to get money in and out of Bitcoin.

01:00:23.000 So Bitcoin is still fine because there are other providers who don't have as much of a U.S. footprint.

01:00:28.000 But the fact that they're even doing that shit means that they are concerned about it.

01:00:32.000 And instead, they should be doing the opposite.

01:00:34.000 It should be like, we're going to give grants, government grants, to startups that are exploring digital currency because this could be the future of the world.

01:00:41.000 And I'd rather see America be the ones to create it instead of it being created in Europe or as the case is with Bitcoin being created in Japan.

01:00:49.000 We're losing out on this one.

01:00:51.000 We're losing out with stem cells where, you know, under Bush, we got all this retarded stuff about not exploring stem cells. 0.98

01:00:58.000 And so other countries just were like, we'll do it.

01:01:00.000 And now if you're a wealthy American and you want to get some kind of stem cell operation, from what I understand, you have to fly to one of these other countries.

01:01:07.000 Germany.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, Germany.

01:01:08.000 Okay.

01:01:08.000 Dana White just got back from Germany.

01:01:10.000 He's telling me how awesome it is.

01:01:11.000 Kobe Bryant went there.

01:01:12.000 And that's money that the U.S. is losing out on.

01:01:15.000 U.S. jobs, you know, it's fucked up just because our government is acting in this regressive way instead of what we're supposed to be about, which is entrepreneurship.

01:01:26.000 But that's where the big thing becomes, like, what we're supposed to be about.

01:01:30.000 Hey, be careful.

01:01:31.000 Don't spill it on your generic laptop.

01:01:33.000 That's not an Apple.

01:01:34.000 What are you talking about?

01:01:35.000 This is an Apple for the TV show that we duct taped it.

01:01:39.000 It's called Greeking because you make it so that it's indecipherable.

01:01:42.000 Is that because Apple will want money or is it the other way around?

01:01:46.000 Maybe the other way around.

01:01:47.000 Like Sony won't want to give us money.

01:01:49.000 Right.

01:01:49.000 So for the TV show.

01:01:50.000 Salute, my brother.

01:01:52.000 Yeah, for the TV show.

01:01:53.000 after you do that.

01:01:56.000 Official shit.

01:01:58.000 I almost forgot we were on TV or on the internet or something, whenever we are.

01:02:03.000 All this stuff that you say, like, I know that you're not, like, a cynical person, which is like really hard for people to believe if you listen to all the things you say.

01:02:11.000 I'm super optimistic.

01:02:12.000 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

01:02:13.000 I wrote an e-book about how our future is actually a really positive one.

01:02:18.000 And even this stuff that I talk about now, they're just road bumps on the way to what is going to be complete, I think probably complete abundance.

01:02:26.000 We had to get through Nixon to get to Clinton.

01:02:28.000 I think Clinton was a high point for this country.

01:02:30.000 I really do.

01:02:31.000 You know, there was certainly a lot of fuckery going on during the Clinton administration.

01:02:35.000 And there was some, you know, it's not to say that people didn't die or there weren't operations that went on that I'm sure you or I wouldn't have approved of.

01:02:46.000 But other than that, it was a time of prosperity, and it seemed like a time where everything seemed like it was going to be okay.

01:02:51.000 And something happened during the Bush administration where everything went dark, and it didn't feel like it was going to be okay at all.

01:02:57.000 And my perception of America and the world itself changed radically from the 1990s to the 2000s.

01:03:05.000 It was a totally different world.

01:03:07.000 In the 1990s, the biggest dilemma was that they wanted to impeach Clinton because he got hit.

01:03:14.000 It was hilarious.

01:03:14.000 And there were articles in Time magazine about how people have too much money.

01:03:17.000 We're creating too many dot-com millionaires.

01:03:19.000 What do we do with this?

01:03:20.000 This is amazing.

01:03:21.000 And that was our problem.

01:03:22.000 Real estate prices in the valley are too high.

01:03:25.000 What are we going to do as a country?

01:03:27.000 And that people were buying a house and then selling it six months later for twice what they bought it for.

01:03:31.000 It was just, it was cuckoo.

01:03:33.000 And Vladimir Putin, I remember this quote that he said, he said, I don't understand the American economy.

01:03:39.000 They seem to just buy and sell each other's houses.

01:03:44.000 That's true.

01:03:44.000 Boy, what a shitty accent that was.

01:03:46.000 Thanks for not calling me out.

01:03:47.000 I saw this on Reddit in Soviet Russia.

01:03:49.000 Internet browses you.

01:03:51.000 No, it was in Soviet America because they're making fun of the NSA program.

01:03:55.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:03:55.000 That's even funnier because it's so true.

01:03:57.000 It is what it is.

01:03:58.000 We've become exactly what we thought they were doing, spying on all their citizens, trying to prevent dissent because they lived in a shithole country and they didn't want freedom.

01:04:06.000 Or they didn't want them to get freedom.

01:04:08.000 That's what we always felt about Russia. 0.70

01:04:10.000 That was always our jab about Russia.

01:04:11.000 Like, oh, those poor fucks. 1.00

01:04:13.000 Have you seen the Steve Wozniak video?

01:04:14.000 No, I haven't.

01:04:15.000 You guys got to pull that up.

01:04:16.000 What is it?

01:04:17.000 Pull it up.

01:04:18.000 He was in an airport and these Spanish language reporters came up to him for their blog or whatever, and they were asking him about the NSA program and I think about just like the future of America.

01:04:27.000 And he talks about, I don't want to quote him exactly, but he talks about how America has kind of lost its way and how we're becoming more like Soviet Russia.

01:04:36.000 And for him to say that, because he's a super positive, like sweet dude, the co-founder of Apple, insanely rich, but still so down to earth that he'll talk to anybody.

01:04:45.000 That's just the video right now.

01:04:46.000 Yeah, that's the video.

01:04:48.000 Like that kind of gray order?

01:04:52.000 Yeah, I think I like all the visual stuff better than before.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, he's talking about a phone first, but he gets into it.

01:05:00.000 Android phones overall.

01:05:01.000 A lot of third-party apps and things like that.

01:05:03.000 So that wasn't really great new establishment.

01:05:09.000 Other countries, when they got prisoners in a war, they tortured.

01:05:12.000 But we Americans did torture them.

01:05:14.000 We gave them good food and clothing and everything.

01:05:16.000 And I was so proud of my country.

01:05:18.000 And now I find out it's just the opposite.

01:05:22.000 And I just wish all these things I talk about the Constitution that made us so good as people, they're kind of nothing.

01:05:28.000 They all dissolved with the Patriot Act.

01:05:31.000 And there's just all these laws that say we can just sort of secretly call anything terrorism and do anything we want without all these rights of courts to get in and say they're doing the wrong things.

01:05:41.000 There's not even a free open court anymore.

01:05:44.000 And they read the Constitution.

01:05:46.000 I don't know how all this stuff got happened.

01:05:48.000 It's so clear.

01:05:49.000 That's exactly what the Constitution says.

01:05:51.000 Extremely clear in the Bill of Rights.

01:05:54.000 One thing after another after another that just got overturned.

01:05:58.000 And that's what a king does.

01:05:59.000 A king just goes out.

01:06:00.000 Has anyone rounded up, killed, put in secret prisoners?

01:06:03.000 When I was brought up, we were taught that communist Russia was the ones that were going to kill us and bomb our country and all this.

01:06:10.000 And communist Russia was so bad because they followed their people, they snooped on them, they arrested them, they put them in secret prisons, they disappeared them.

01:06:20.000 These kind of things were part of Russia.

01:06:25.000 Kind of breaks your heart, right?

01:06:26.000 Because this is a guy who made it in America based on what we believe in.

01:06:30.000 And now he's in an airport.

01:06:32.000 He's middle-aged, and he's seeing that this revolution that he was a part of, the technology revolution, is being used against people instead of being used to help people out.

01:06:41.000 We have a real problem with the leadership of this world.

01:06:45.000 And when I say this world, I don't mean in any sort of New World Order sense.

01:06:50.000 I mean the leadership across the board, every single country, everywhere you go, every single leader of every single nation, we don't have a leadership that fits in with the psychedelic nature of 2013.

01:07:08.000 And when I say psychedelic nature, I don't even mean drugs.

01:07:11.000 I mean the idea behind psychedelics, when someone talks about having a psychedelic experience and, oh my God, it was like a psychedelic trip.

01:07:20.000 What they mean, besides the hallucination aspect, is that this trip has transcended them, has moved them into this new place, has made them step back and look at it.

01:07:31.000 It could be a near-death experience.

01:07:33.000 It could be the loss of a friend.

01:07:35.000 It could be a pet dying.

01:07:37.000 It could be a new, you getting fired and getting a new job.

01:07:40.000 There's many things in life.

01:07:41.000 You could see a starlit night and it's a psychedelic experience.

01:07:46.000 That is where we're going.

01:07:49.000 Where we're going is newer booms, newer woes, newer connections, newer understandings, newer uncoverings of hidden truths.

01:08:01.000 We're getting closer and closer to each other.

01:08:04.000 And what the government is doing is the exact opposite of that.

01:08:07.000 What they're trying to do is control, get people scared, control resources, dictate their rules on as many people as possible, make it so they can't be prosecuted for the same thing they actually prosecute people for, but never be called hypocritical, control all the resources.

01:08:27.000 What they're doing is non-psychedelic.

01:08:29.000 What they're doing is what the ego does when it's desperate, when it's sad, when you're trying to cover up for a lie, when you're trying to pretend you're something you're not.

01:08:38.000 Deal with mortality.

01:08:39.000 You know, if you think you need complete control over other people, that's some kind of weird foil to get around the fact that you're going to be dead in 30 years.

01:08:46.000 Our society needs to be psychedelic.

01:08:48.000 And I don't say that in the way that a lot of people think.

01:08:51.000 A lot of people think when you say something should be psychedelic, like, oh man, you just want to escape reality, you fucking hippie.

01:08:57.000 That's not what I mean.

01:08:59.000 I mean embrace reality.

01:09:00.000 Embrace reality in its broadest sense possible.

01:09:03.000 In its broadest sense possible, we are all exactly the same.

01:09:07.000 And I don't mean that in any hippie sort of a way.

01:09:12.000 I mean that we are temporary beings on this strange course that no one understands.

01:09:19.000 And we all have a certain amount of years to recognize that we're on this thing and that this thing is going to end and it's going to end badly.

01:09:27.000 The body's going to stop working.

01:09:28.000 The cells will reproduce incorrectly.

01:09:32.000 Your stature change.

01:09:33.000 Your health fades.

01:09:35.000 Your energy wanes.

01:09:36.000 Your intellect goes away.

01:09:37.000 You're a child.

01:09:37.000 Goes away.

01:09:38.000 And then you die.

01:09:39.000 So during that time, we have to figure out what is this?

01:09:42.000 What is this?

01:09:43.000 And what are we trying to do here?

01:09:45.000 And if what you're trying to do is control resources and dominate people and make as much money as possible, you are just as sad as some kid who's born in Ethiopia where there's no food.

01:09:56.000 You're just as sad as someone who is on an island that doesn't have any books.

01:10:01.000 It's all a miss.

01:10:03.000 It's all a miss.

01:10:04.000 And the psychedelic society of 2013, the transcendent experience of the internet, the ability to communicate with each other from long distances instantaneously, that's very psychedelic.

01:10:17.000 I was watching an interview with one of the engineers at Google who oversees YouTube.

01:10:21.000 And just the process of a YouTube video uploading and then propagating on all their cache servers is kind of psychedelic in the sense that within seconds of your video being uploaded, less than that, like immediately, it's on servers all over the planet.

01:10:36.000 Because when you go to a YouTube video, it's serving you the video from a server that's relatively close to you.

01:10:42.000 Maybe one in California or something.

01:10:44.000 Somebody in South America is getting a local version of their YouTube video.

01:10:48.000 And then all the data on the hits from each of those local servers is coming together.

01:10:54.000 And that's the YouTube view counter of how many hits the video has.

01:10:57.000 So it's actually coming from all these different data centers.

01:10:59.000 It's not one number.

01:11:00.000 It's a bunch of numbers that are being put together.

01:11:04.000 And just the way he explained it, I was like, this is fucking insane.

01:11:08.000 You know, like that somebody in their basement, somebody like the big famous video bloggers out there can put up their video and within seconds, it's literally all over the world.

01:11:17.000 And if that idea has any kind of value, it propagates within hours.

01:11:21.000 Like that Edward Snowden video was on the homepage of YouTube because so many people found it to be significant.

01:11:27.000 It rose right to the top.

01:11:29.000 I think we all are going to have to accept a new paradigm, including the government.

01:11:33.000 And the government's trying to stave off that paradigm by creating a bunch of rules and by taking away people's rights. 0.82

01:11:38.000 But they're not going to be able to.

01:11:40.000 And by having so many rules that you can selectively enforce it.

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:44.000 Like, I'm sure the stuff they're using against Bitcoin, they're not using against Bank of America or Citibank.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, well, the selective enforcement aspect of it is funny because what they're trying to do is they're trying to control judgment.

01:11:57.000 They're trying to control the will of the people.

01:12:01.000 They're trying to control the popular opinion.

01:12:05.000 They're trying to control human beings as a resource because all the power comes through the human beings.

01:12:10.000 It all flows from the money, from the taxes, from the votes, from the whatever, that you get into a position of power and you're the top of that pyramid, then you can enforce regulations and rules and change things and you can do things that people never want.

01:12:22.000 Like the NDAA.

01:12:23.000 When all of a sudden you have indefinite detention and people don't even get lawyers.

01:12:28.000 You're like, what?

01:12:30.000 Russia doesn't even do that.

01:12:31.000 I think one of my...

01:12:34.000 They might.

01:12:34.000 I don't know enough about Russia.

01:12:35.000 They probably would do that.

01:12:36.000 I just know that RT is filled with nice people.

01:12:38.000 They are very nice.

01:12:39.000 Isn't that weird?

01:12:41.000 It's like you would think Russia today would be like the shittiest bunch of assholes.

01:12:46.000 They're also super nice.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, I forgot what I was going to say because I was thinking about Russia today.

01:12:53.000 But what were we talking about here?

01:12:57.000 We were talking about the America.

01:12:58.000 Oh, yeah, I know that.

01:12:59.000 But it'll come to me.

01:13:01.000 I had the specific idea about something.

01:13:03.000 Oh, okay.

01:13:04.000 It's all this Jameson.

01:13:05.000 It's kind of going in my brain.

01:13:07.000 Whiskey's not good for the dome.

01:13:09.000 The government likes it.

01:13:11.000 Don't they try to take that away?

01:13:12.000 Then the real riots will be.

01:13:14.000 That's what would really need.

01:13:15.000 Take away liquor.

01:13:16.000 Liquor and cigarettes.

01:13:17.000 Make it all illegal.

01:13:18.000 Yeah.

01:13:19.000 Hey, hey, hey, calm down.

01:13:20.000 Oh, that's what I'm saying.

01:13:22.000 You want to have a real revolution?

01:13:23.000 I remember what I was going to say.

01:13:24.000 Sorry about that.

01:13:25.000 I have this kind of science fiction dystopian view that when the NDAA was signed, and you know I was vocal about this non-stop.

01:13:33.000 When that was signed, that was one of these branches or forks in history where we should have all come out.

01:13:39.000 We should have all came out and protested.

01:13:41.000 And people who had positions of power, you know, TV anchors and senators who were not compromised by their own parties, should have said, this is fucking bullshit.

01:13:49.000 Since when can you imprison American citizens without a trial on the basis of suspicion alone?

01:13:55.000 That's fundamentally un-American. 0.86

01:13:57.000 It makes North Korea look like on the same level as us to do that shit. 0.77

01:14:01.000 Why would we allow that?

01:14:03.000 This needs to be immediately fixed.

01:14:05.000 You know, like next week we need an amendment to fix whatever the fuck you did on New Year's Eve. 0.98

01:14:09.000 But instead, life just kind of went on as normal.

01:14:12.000 And it was like a Twilight Zone episode.

01:14:14.000 You know, I noticed this group of activists and journalists raised money and they went to New York to fight this shit in federal court.

01:14:22.000 And they could barely afford the legal and the travel costs.

01:14:24.000 And they're fighting the most powerful government on earth in court, which can keep throwing money at this forever.

01:14:30.000 And that's when I started to lose faith in this system because I'm like, why are they doing this?

01:14:34.000 You know, Obama had the signing statement saying that he signed it into law, but he doesn't like this provision.

01:14:40.000 He doesn't trust that provision.

01:14:41.000 Well, then why do you keep fighting for that right in court?

01:14:44.000 If you don't want that and you signed it away in your signing statement, then why do you keep fighting for it in federal court?

01:14:50.000 And at that point, I was like, this is fucked.

01:14:52.000 I think it's, again, what you keep saying, why do you?

01:14:55.000 Why does he?

01:14:56.000 Why do you?

01:14:57.000 I don't think it's a you.

01:14:58.000 I don't think it's a he.

01:14:59.000 Well, then you have to place blame somewhere.

01:15:03.000 We certainly do.

01:15:03.000 If you go to a Walmart.

01:15:04.000 But it's like a corporation type blame.

01:15:07.000 Well, that's valid, though.

01:15:08.000 If you go to a Walmart and you slip on the floor because the floor is dirty and wet, you write a letter to the CEO, even though he wasn't personally there to mop that floor.

01:15:16.000 And the same way, Obama is the figurehead for this federal government in its current form.

01:15:21.000 So if we can't place the blame there, if we can't petition him to make things better, who can we petition?

01:15:26.000 Well, that's a good question, but I think that it's impossible at this point in the game to control the whole thing.

01:15:34.000 There's no way he could have his fingers in every hole in the dike. 1.00

01:15:34.000 There's no way. 1.00

01:15:38.000 There's just too much going on.

01:15:40.000 That's not what I meant.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, it is.

01:15:43.000 Right after I said it, I'm like, fuck.

01:15:48.000 There's no way.

01:15:48.000 And I think the idea that he's responsible for everything the government does, it's preposterous because there's no way you could be.

01:15:56.000 There's no way you could have a handle on all that shit.

01:16:00.000 There's no way.

01:16:01.000 There's too many things going on.

01:16:02.000 You got the FBI, the NSA, the DEA, the FBI, the Coast Guard, the Air Force, the Army, the Marines, the Navy SEALs, the Green Berets.

01:16:10.000 Come on, the Rangers.

01:16:12.000 You don't know what the fuck everybody's doing.

01:16:14.000 You can't know what the fuck everybody's doing.

01:16:17.000 It's ridiculous.

01:16:18.000 The idea that we have an Obama in the first place, that we have a president, that we have one dude.

01:16:22.000 This is some weird ancient alpha male chimpanzee bullshit.

01:16:26.000 That we have a human being that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars of our collective taxpayer money to fly that person somewhere else with 14 limousines and bulletproof glass everywhere.

01:16:36.000 It's like some kind of fetishization of a personality.

01:16:41.000 You know, it's one thing to have celebrities because at the end of the day, celebrities are chosen by us.

01:16:46.000 You know, that's what it comes down to is we choose who we want to focus an unhealthy amount of attention on, like the Kardashians.

01:16:54.000 Collectively, we choose that.

01:16:55.000 But how many people are actively choosing to pay for somebody like Obama?

01:16:58.000 Or by the way, President Bush took expensive vacations also.

01:17:03.000 Who exactly decided this kind of imperial system we have now where you're vesting so much power in that one person, and yet, like you said, this makes a lot of sense.

01:17:13.000 That person doesn't have all that much influence to actually change course.

01:17:17.000 So then why are we treating them like they're a god?

01:17:19.000 Because it's a figurehead.

01:17:21.000 It's someone that you have at the head of your organization.

01:17:24.000 We still, as chimpanzees, you know, or as the descendants or the ancestors or whatever the fuck we are, the new breed of talking ape.

01:17:33.000 How do we get past the chimpanzees into that thing?

01:17:36.000 I think we need mushrooms.

01:17:38.000 I really do.

01:17:39.000 Sounds like, you know, sounds like hippie nonsense, but I really think just logically, if it's not mushrooms, we need something that brings us all together.

01:17:49.000 It might be ecstasy.

01:17:50.000 One of my most profound psychedelic experiences I ever had was on ecstasy, and I only did it once because the rebound of it was way too strong.

01:17:59.000 The next day, I can't remember.

01:18:01.000 You suffer a crash the next day?

01:18:02.000 Oh, it was horrible.

01:18:03.000 It was horrible.

01:18:04.000 And I don't know if it's just me or if it was mixed with something or whatever it was.

01:18:08.000 Did you do any pills with it?

01:18:09.000 Like 5-HTP or anything on it?

01:18:13.000 Because you won't have that.

01:18:14.000 You just had a really bad experience because you didn't pre-plan it and post-plan it.

01:18:18.000 Yeah, I took two pills too.

01:18:19.000 I think you're only supposed to take one the first time you do it or whatever.

01:18:22.000 But whatever.

01:18:23.000 The point is, it was profound, and it made me understand a lot about insecurities, mine and other people's, about love and about what's possible if you're warm.

01:18:36.000 You know, the warmth and friendliness and happiness, that shit is contagious.

01:18:43.000 And it spreads.

01:18:45.000 And good energy spreads just as easily as bad energy does.

01:18:49.000 But good energy is way better.

01:18:52.000 It's way better for you.

01:18:53.000 It feels better.

01:18:54.000 And it's possible for anyone to change in midstream.

01:18:58.000 It's possible for anyone to just start slowly adjusting their life into a more harmonious path.

01:19:06.000 And that includes all the people that are running shit.

01:19:09.000 And guess what?

01:19:10.000 Along the way, a lot of you motherfuckers are probably going to wind up getting busted doing something stupid. 0.99

01:19:14.000 You know, there's probably a lot of people right now that have like gambling problems or, you know, prostitution problems or, you know, X, fill in the blank.

01:19:24.000 That it's all going to come to light.

01:19:25.000 All of it's going to come to light.

01:19:27.000 There's no way to avoid it.

01:19:28.000 But I think ultimately it's the best thing for everybody that we are moving in a way, and this is very science fiction utopian, but we're moving in a way where we're going to merge consciousness.

01:19:41.000 That seems to me to be the only step that's at the end of this path.

01:19:46.000 If you look at what's going on, the complete lack of privacy that we now have in regards to the way we interface with the government.

01:19:55.000 The government can check your emails.

01:19:56.000 The government can check your text.

01:19:58.000 The government can check your Twitter.

01:20:00.000 And I think eventually you and I are going to have that same issue.

01:20:03.000 We're all going to be able to access all of each other's emails.

01:20:06.000 We're all going to be able to contact each other.

01:20:08.000 We're all going to be able to...

01:20:11.000 Well, the only thing that comes after that is some sort of a convergence of consciousness.

01:20:14.000 It's going to be, whether it's technologically created or whether it's biologically induced as the next step in evolution, whatever the fuck it is.

01:20:23.000 It seems like that's where it's going.

01:20:24.000 I mean, otherwise, what does it do?

01:20:25.000 It just stops?

01:20:26.000 Unless we all unplug.

01:20:28.000 I mean, none of us, that's the one thing that we're not forced to have a cell phone.

01:20:32.000 We're not forced to do any of this.

01:20:33.000 We could just like seriously turn off our phone and then we're off the map.

01:20:36.000 I honestly think the only thing that would get more than a few random weirdos to unplug is a cataclysmic disaster.

01:20:44.000 Something that wipes out cell phone signals, a massive solar flare that torches every satellite, makes us start from scratch, whatever it is, something that fries every fucking electrical system all over the globe.

01:20:55.000 I've had weirdos contact me and they're like, I would like to share your stuff, but I don't use Facebook because of the, you know, they track you.

01:21:02.000 I'm like, oh, well, you can, you know, you can post it on Twitter, I guess, or whatever.

01:21:05.000 Like, why don't you Twitter either?

01:21:06.000 Like, you could post it on message board.

01:21:08.000 Like, well, I use Tor encryption or I use the Tor browser.

01:21:11.000 I don't like to go to websites too frequently.

01:21:13.000 And you're like, then just don't fucking live.

01:21:14.000 You know, like, if you're going to be that paranoid, that you think that Twitter and Facebook are concerned about everything you're posting.

01:21:20.000 Well, not only that, and you have no influence.

01:21:22.000 You're just the nobody in the forest.

01:21:24.000 And are you doing shady shit 24-7?

01:21:27.000 You know, the government, if you want to beat off this, I'm going to offer the government something.

01:21:31.000 If you want to beat off the same websites I beat off to, look at my history.

01:21:36.000 Okay?

01:21:36.000 Go ahead.

01:21:37.000 I'm not doing anything negative.

01:21:38.000 I'm not fighting the power.

01:21:40.000 Who?

01:21:41.000 I do beat off a lot.

01:21:42.000 Got new fetters of a porn you got to check out, man.

01:21:45.000 Lesbians getting dick for their first time. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:21:48.000 It's great.

01:21:49.000 And I was talking to this lesbian the other day, and she's like, yeah, I broke up with this girl that was in a relationship for a long time, and I went right to having dick, you know, for like a month, and then I went right back to lesbian. 0.97

01:21:59.000 You mean a strap on her?

01:22:00.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:22:00.000 Like a clue?

01:22:02.000 She decided to fuck a guy that she was friends with. 1.00

01:22:04.000 So what happened?

01:22:05.000 And she says it was great, but she's back into lesbian now because for whatever reasons. 0.79

01:22:10.000 So I've been looking up porn, like lesbian gets first dick ever. 1.00

01:22:14.000 And there's just like these butch dykes, and they're just like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:22:17.000 This is amazing.

01:22:18.000 It's great.

01:22:19.000 It's good.

01:22:20.000 It's a good new search.

01:22:22.000 So they get dick for the first time.

01:22:24.000 Yeah.

01:22:24.000 Yeah, I think they're all in denial.

01:22:26.000 All you girls out there that say you don't like dick, we ain't never had dick. 1.00

01:22:29.000 And that's how they all are.

01:22:30.000 Haven't had the right one yet.

01:22:32.000 That's how every guy feels.

01:22:33.000 I have a joke in my act about that, about how no guy see two girls working out.

01:22:38.000 Okay, stop.

01:22:39.000 I quit.

01:22:40.000 Joke's over.

01:22:43.000 No guy sees two girls making out and says, oh, too bad they don't like dudes. 0.96

01:22:48.000 Guys don't think like that.

01:22:50.000 You go, I just got to get in there.

01:22:52.000 You just get closer.

01:22:54.000 While we're talking about dicks, there was a funny story on Reddit recently.

01:22:58.000 You know how you always say powerful and now it's like everybody uses powerful?

01:23:03.000 I stole that from my friend Larry, by the way.

01:23:05.000 Everybody uses it.

01:23:05.000 I think Verizon uses powerful now in their ad campaign.

01:23:08.000 They should send you a royalty check.

01:23:11.000 So people take up other people's phrases.

01:23:13.000 People say powerful now because of what you say.

01:23:16.000 And on Reddit, this guy was complaining that his college roommate was one of those people who just absorbs all the social stuff around him and uses other people's phrases immediately.

01:23:26.000 Right.

01:23:26.000 And just adopts their personality.

01:23:28.000 So as a prank, they played on this guy.

01:23:30.000 They started all saying dick in my ass.

01:23:32.000 Whenever something bad would happen, or they would lose it, Halo.

01:23:35.000 And within a week, this guy is showing up to his class late and yelling like, dick in my ass. 0.55

01:23:40.000 Like, I knew I should have showed up earlier.

01:23:41.000 I'm just saying it all the time.

01:23:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:23:44.000 That's hilarious.

01:23:45.000 It was a plot.

01:23:47.000 Yeah, it was just carefully orchestrated test.

01:23:50.000 That's so rude and mean.

01:23:52.000 Oh, the poor guy.

01:23:54.000 I bet he feels devastated.

01:23:55.000 That's great.

01:23:56.000 Knowing that he was played like that.

01:23:58.000 That's so common, though, if you're insecure, especially.

01:24:01.000 When I was really young, I had a Boston accent.

01:24:03.000 I didn't even live in Boston that long.

01:24:05.000 I lived in Boston from the time I was 13 until I was like 24.

01:24:09.000 But I had a Boston accent.

01:24:10.000 And I didn't realize until I heard myself on TV.

01:24:12.000 I was 19.

01:24:13.000 I heard myself on TV just getting interviewed.

01:24:16.000 And it was like, ah, we've been working really hard.

01:24:19.000 I was like, oh, no.

01:24:21.000 I realized that I wanted to be like everybody else so badly.

01:24:24.000 I started talking like that.

01:24:25.000 Well, it's also very strong.

01:24:26.000 It's like shit in a pool almost.

01:24:28.000 You know, it's just going to stick really, you know.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, but I moved there when I was 13, so six years later, I have a stupid accent.

01:24:33.000 That's ridiculous.

01:24:34.000 No, I was a sheep.

01:24:36.000 I was scared.

01:24:37.000 I wanted to be like everybody around me.

01:24:39.000 I wanted to fit right in.

01:24:40.000 You know how they used to talk weird in the 40s and 50s?

01:24:43.000 Oh, yeah, same.

01:24:44.000 The Don Draper of Company.

01:24:45.000 Did they really?

01:24:46.000 Well, how'd they talk?

01:24:48.000 Give me an example.

01:24:49.000 Just like the adman voice.

01:24:51.000 On the battlefront tonight, blah, blah, blah.

01:24:53.000 You know, it's very official.

01:24:54.000 Oh, you mean in the media they did this?

01:24:56.000 Yeah, like anchors and actors and actresses, too.

01:24:58.000 I would like to know what they talked like in real life, though.

01:25:01.000 I read this recently.

01:25:02.000 Apparently, that accent is called, it's either called the transatlantic or the transcontinental accent.

01:25:08.000 And it was not actually used by Americans back then.

01:25:11.000 It was something that was taught in boarding school.

01:25:12.000 It was considered like the proper way to speak.

01:25:15.000 So if you were a TV anchor or a famous actor, you would use that on set.

01:25:19.000 But Americans back then spoke like us, which blows my mind.

01:25:22.000 What?

01:25:23.000 I thought that they all talked like, you know, like madmen, or not mad men, like the 20 years before that.

01:25:27.000 I thought that was real.

01:25:28.000 But that's just the way they talk on TV and on radio.

01:25:33.000 And then when they're offset, they're talking like us.

01:25:36.000 Is there any documentaries?

01:25:39.000 You might want to fact check this one to get more info, but I'm pretty certain I'm right on this.

01:25:47.000 Could you imagine Jersey Shore from the 30s?

01:25:50.000 No, I can't, actually.

01:25:51.000 They're all riding around in model teas and fucking, you know, I mean, just imagine what it would have been like to be around some people that just survived.

01:26:00.000 Let's touch some maples tonight.

01:26:01.000 That's why I like to watch Boardwalk Empire because you're seeing, I mean, it's probably glamorized, obviously, but it's just entertaining as hell to see people in that time period.

01:26:10.000 That's a brilliant show, but it is probably glamorized.

01:26:12.000 That's the problem with anything in regards to history.

01:26:15.000 There's so much guesswork.

01:26:16.000 There's so much...

01:26:24.000 But then again, how comfortable would they be on camera?

01:26:28.000 That's the real issue.

01:26:28.000 You would have to experience it yourself.

01:26:30.000 And it's hard to reach back into your memory and have an accurate account of anything more than five or six years ago, really, right?

01:26:39.000 Yeah.

01:26:39.000 I mean, this is all such new stuff.

01:26:41.000 Like, I saw a black and white photo set of these guys getting their after-work drinks at some pub in England.

01:26:50.000 And so that, to me, seemed like an accurate picture of what was happening then, because you see that these dudes are just drinking after work.

01:26:57.000 No cell phones on the table, no bullshit.

01:26:59.000 Just like average work, because you don't have any technology back then.

01:27:03.000 And you could see that their clothes were not as polished as you see in all the movies from that era.

01:27:08.000 You could see tatters and stuff.

01:27:10.000 And you're like, oh, they're actually living through a pretty tough time.

01:27:13.000 You can see that without the gloss that's been applied to other shows.

01:27:18.000 Yeah.

01:27:20.000 Still, it's like, if you could go back and live in a time like that.

01:27:26.000 Would you really?

01:27:26.000 I would love to do that.

01:27:27.000 Especially if you could pick an era.

01:27:29.000 Especially knowing which companies were going to take off.

01:27:32.000 Oh, no, no, no.

01:27:33.000 You can't do that, man.

01:27:34.000 That's illegal.

01:27:35.000 I would love to live in 1920s, even the 1930s, as long as you're not in one of the poor families.

01:27:41.000 If you're doing well in the 30s, they did better than anybody.

01:27:43.000 Yeah, but you would be faced with so much despair.

01:27:46.000 You'd be sad.

01:27:47.000 If you looked around and saw the people.

01:27:49.000 They cordoned themselves off from that in the same way that we did.

01:27:52.000 So you'd be cool with that?

01:27:53.000 I'm not saying I'd be cool with it, but look at the fact that when this iPhone dies, it's going to be picked apart by some child and somewhere in India, some trash heap for the precious metals inside it. 1.00

01:28:03.000 We still have all that same shit.

01:28:05.000 It's just been distanced from us.

01:28:07.000 And I think people back then had an amazing life if they're in a certain social strata.

01:28:07.000 Yeah.

01:28:12.000 This is 1939 color footage, which is very rare for that year.

01:28:17.000 Wow.

01:28:18.000 That girl was hot. 1.00

01:28:19.000 She's balling in 39. 0.97

01:28:21.000 Isn't it funny that that is someone who's probably four feet tall now, arched over, and it's almost over.

01:28:29.000 She's creeping around.

01:28:31.000 It might not be.

01:28:33.000 She might be the crypt keeper now.

01:28:35.000 105.

01:28:37.000 It's unbelievable.

01:28:38.000 It's like we just, we have a short amount of time here.

01:28:41.000 I think about how weird it is that all those people smoked constantly.

01:28:44.000 So even like the hottest girl you'd hook up with is somebody who's smoking a couple packs a day, has like lines all over their face from just non-stop smoking all the time.

01:28:54.000 Have you ever met someone and then you saw them again in like five years and it was like a hundred years had gone by?

01:29:02.000 Yeah, some people do not age well.

01:29:03.000 Oh, well, if someone gets on meth, that's the big one.

01:29:06.000 I've seen alcohol, yeah, I guess.

01:29:10.000 I like to tell myself that it's preserving.

01:29:12.000 It's preserving my body.

01:29:13.000 Alcohol is?

01:29:13.000 That's what I like to tell myself.

01:29:15.000 It might be in a way because you relax a little bit and maybe you feel a little bit more positive energy and that counteracts all the cuntiness in the world. 0.82

01:29:23.000 You know, there's definitely some benefit to alcohol, but you're poisoning yourself.

01:29:23.000 Right.

01:29:29.000 Did you hear that?

01:29:30.000 I wanted to see if you saw that article that was on today.com about bulletproof coffee.

01:29:34.000 I don't know if you saw that or not.

01:29:36.000 No, I did not.

01:29:37.000 What did it say?

01:29:37.000 It's bad?

01:29:38.000 Well, they said that the reports of putting butter in your coffee.

01:29:43.000 Today.com?

01:29:44.000 What's it called?

01:29:45.000 Here, I'll get the link up for you.

01:29:47.000 I tweeted it earlier.

01:29:51.000 They're saying that there's no evidence that butter in your coffee does anything, but has more calories.

01:29:58.000 Here's the actual article.

01:30:01.000 I guess that's today, like NBC Today, I guess.

01:30:04.000 Well, let me just give you some input right away.

01:30:08.000 First of all, coffee, caffeine, has shown to have benefits.

01:30:12.000 Shown to have benefits on cognitive function.

01:30:15.000 Shown to have obvious benefits on energy.

01:30:18.000 So there's that.

01:30:19.000 Then when you take coffee with grass-fed butter and MCT oil.

01:30:24.000 Yeah, they talk about the MCT oil here.

01:30:26.000 What it does is it makes it a slower digestible thing.

01:30:30.000 Like it takes a longer time for your body to process it.

01:30:34.000 Whereas if you have just like a Venti Starbucks black, that goes like right in your bloodstream, son.

01:30:41.000 Yeah, when you have bulletproof coffee, if you have grass-fed butter and MCT oil, you're going to get a lot more calories, and it's a lot fatter, and it's all blended together.

01:30:50.000 And so it will take hours for your body to digest that as opposed to just the straight coffee.

01:30:55.000 I've lost weight using MCT oil.

01:30:58.000 MCT oil is very good for you.

01:31:00.000 There's no debate about that.

01:31:02.000 If you don't know what it is, it's medium-chain triglyceride oil, and it's the most healthy aspect of coconut oil.

01:31:11.000 They take coconut oil and they have some sort of a process with a centrifuge.

01:31:15.000 Coconut oil is one of the best things I've heard, one of the best oils you can use to jerk off, too.

01:31:20.000 Yeah, it's supposed to be really good for that.

01:31:22.000 That's what I hear, too.

01:31:23.000 I just hear.

01:31:26.000 So if you don't have an issue with cholesterol, I wouldn't think there's anything wrong with bulletproof coffee.

01:31:33.000 But if you do have an issue with cholesterol, you're dealing with, even though everybody says it's healthy cholesterol, we live in a strange world.

01:31:40.000 And some people have like real health problems with all sorts of things that for other folks would be no problem whatsoever.

01:31:46.000 So if you're thinking about taking, you know, bulletproof coffee, you know, look into it.

01:31:51.000 Find out where you're, you know, where your body's at, unless you know you're okay.

01:31:55.000 But if you're okay with high cholesterol foods or high calorie foods, the benefit of the bulletproof coffee recipe is that it takes a longer time for you to digest it.

01:32:06.000 So basically, it said all the benefits of coffee with a slower digestion period.

01:32:12.000 So there's nothing mysterious about it.

01:32:15.000 There's nothing magical about it.

01:32:17.000 Well, the amount that you drink every day, which is a huge like Starbucks, like, what is that, Trenta?

01:32:22.000 Trenta canister in dogs.

01:32:24.000 20 ounces.

01:32:25.000 So they're saying like each cup of coffee, just cup of coffee has about 100 to 200 calories in it.

01:32:31.000 So you're eating a ton of calories.

01:32:34.000 That's enough, and that's not including the fat.

01:32:36.000 But what they're all about.

01:32:37.000 No, it's including the fat.

01:32:38.000 That's the whole idea.

01:32:40.000 That's not where your calories come from.

01:32:42.000 Yeah, but some diets you're looking at calories and fat intake.

01:32:47.000 Okay.

01:32:49.000 And this is saying that the claim here is that MCT, because it's faster digestion compared to other fats, is an energy booster.

01:32:55.000 But there's no evidence in this.

01:32:56.000 But they're pretty much just saying that, you know, be mindful of the extra calories.

01:33:01.000 Don't expect weight loss or any extra energy.

01:33:04.000 Well, that's not necessarily true because it really is filling.

01:33:08.000 And if you take 300 or 400 calories in the form of bulletproof coffee in the morning, you might not eat until 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

01:33:17.000 And you might feel good.

01:33:19.000 You're not feeling depleted because you're getting all these healthy fats and MCT oil and grass-fed butter.

01:33:25.000 And that's where it's really important because grass-fed animals are far healthier than corn-fed animals.

01:33:31.000 You can see the difference in the two steak cuts.

01:33:34.000 Clearly.

01:33:34.000 And this is not hippie bullshit.

01:33:37.000 If you look at a cut of grass-fed sirloin, you will see a dark red color.

01:33:43.000 It looks leaner.

01:33:45.000 It's a different cut of meat.

01:33:47.000 Like a grass-fed New York strip is a perfect example.

01:33:50.000 There's very little fat on that.

01:33:51.000 But if you look at a regular New York strip from corn-fed, you know, you're going to get like this.

01:33:58.000 Yeah, I mean, it tastes delicious because that fat makes it all juicy and it cooks down, but it's really not as healthy.

01:33:58.000 It's more pink.

01:34:06.000 You're not getting as much out of the meat itself.

01:34:09.000 It's not as good for you.

01:34:10.000 Well, that's the same with butter.

01:34:12.000 You're getting butter from an animal that's corn-fed.

01:34:14.000 You're going to get this fat, sloppy, stupid cow who's shitting out pus in her milk. 1.00

01:34:20.000 Yeah.

01:34:22.000 It's the same with the same with eggs, I think.

01:34:25.000 If you get the regular cheap eggs, they have thin shells, not as much omega-3s versus the more expensive, like cage-free all the colours.

01:34:33.000 Cage-free is what you want because they're roaming around and they're eating grass.

01:34:38.000 If you can get a chicken that's eating grass, that's a chicken that's healthy.

01:34:41.000 But somewhere along the line, somebody figured out, well, we can make more money if we just stack them in like apartment complexes and shove all these chickens in these little boxes and force feed them.

01:34:50.000 The Monsanto grass.

01:34:52.000 Yeah, it's unfortunate.

01:34:54.000 And that's also a part of this whole big picture where people don't want to have to go hunting.

01:35:00.000 They don't want to have to go kill a bird.

01:35:02.000 They don't want to raise chickens. 0.98

01:35:03.000 They don't want to raise goats.

01:35:04.000 They want to be able to go to McDonald's.

01:35:06.000 And they want to be able to just give their money and get their food and be done with it.

01:35:10.000 And when you have that, then you're going to have this.

01:35:13.000 You're going to have a regular person is not going to be able to just produce for themselves or for a small group of people.

01:35:20.000 They're going to have to produce for thousands, maybe even millions.

01:35:23.000 And so when a company or a person or a business is producing all this food for millions of people and these millions of people can just pull into these stops with their cars, what you've got is madness.

01:35:33.000 You've got this massive disconnect from responsibility.

01:35:37.000 To make money off of shit that is that cheap to begin with, you have to be working with really cheap materials.

01:35:42.000 So you're cutting costs wherever you can.

01:35:45.000 I mean, if you're buying a $3 cheeseburger, what the fuck are you going to do?

01:35:48.000 What is in that thing?

01:35:49.000 Imagine if someone only paid you $3.

01:35:52.000 Say, listen, man, that's what I want you to do.

01:35:53.000 I want you to shoot a cow and then take it across the country.

01:35:58.000 Cut a chunk of meat out of it.

01:35:59.000 And then I want you to grind that meat and then form it into a patty.

01:36:02.000 And then I want you to cook it.

01:36:04.000 And then I want you to get some lettuce.

01:36:06.000 You got to get some lettuce.

01:36:07.000 Go get it.

01:36:08.000 Go pick the lettuce and then wash it off.

01:36:10.000 And then cut some tomatoes and then put a little onion on there.

01:36:13.000 And then I want you to make some ketchup.

01:36:15.000 And then I want you to make some mustard and swirl it all around.

01:36:18.000 And then I want you to cook it and feed it to me.

01:36:20.000 How much would that cost?

01:36:21.000 $10.

01:36:22.000 It'd be $100.

01:36:23.000 Look at Norms, man.

01:36:24.000 They have steak and eggs for, what, $7?

01:36:26.000 That's ridiculous.

01:36:27.000 But at least Norms, you sit down.

01:36:29.000 You know, Norms is like they're trying to be frugal.

01:36:32.000 And it's probably, but at least you sit down.

01:36:35.000 This drive-through shit.

01:36:37.000 It's the most, the craziest thing ever.

01:36:41.000 Cheeseburger, please.

01:36:42.000 Is that it?

01:36:42.000 Yep, that's it.

01:36:43.000 $2.50, please.

01:36:45.000 $2.50.

01:36:46.000 You give them $2.50 and then you eat it and then you go.

01:36:46.000 That's crazy.

01:36:49.000 Like somehow or another, that cow died.

01:36:51.000 That bread was cooked.

01:36:54.000 The ketchup was manufactured.

01:36:56.000 The pickle was pickled.

01:36:58.000 It was sliced.

01:36:58.000 It was slapped on your butt.

01:37:00.000 It takes the social out of eating.

01:37:02.000 I think one of the most fun things to do is sit down with people that you're interested in, have like a nice solid dinner, even if it's just a burger or something.

01:37:09.000 But now you're in your car by yourself.

01:37:11.000 You know, you park because you don't want to be on the highway while you're trying to down this thing.

01:37:15.000 You park, you're in your car by yourself, just eating something like an animal.

01:37:19.000 Like just trying to consume these shitty calories as quickly as possible so you can get on your way.

01:37:25.000 Yeah, it's so gross.

01:37:26.000 While we're talking about health stuff, I wanted to ask you about flotation tanks Because I did one in Florida recently for the first time.

01:37:33.000 I liked it a lot, but I didn't get any of the cool visuals that were talked about on the videos.

01:37:33.000 Did you like it?

01:37:40.000 How many times did you do it?

01:37:42.000 Oh, once?

01:37:42.000 I did it for an hour.

01:37:43.000 Yeah, just once a farm.

01:37:44.000 Toward the end, I saw a dull white flash on my right side, and I thought that somebody had opened the tank, but it was just like me, I guess, fantasizing about the tank being opened because I knew that it was around that time.

01:37:58.000 But other than that, there were no visuals at all.

01:38:00.000 Yeah, I didn't have much visualizations the first time I did it.

01:38:03.000 Okay, so that's normal then.

01:38:04.000 Oh, yeah, it's completely normal.

01:38:06.000 It's hard to relax.

01:38:07.000 You know, it's a weird environment.

01:38:08.000 Like the first 15, 20 minutes, you're just freaking out that you're in this weird tank.

01:38:12.000 Well, then I could hear my own heartbeat and feel the blood like pumping through my body.

01:38:15.000 It's pretty weird.

01:38:16.000 Doesn't it feel great, though?

01:38:17.000 It's so relaxed.

01:38:19.000 And you fly.

01:38:21.000 I explained it to somebody.

01:38:22.000 It's like taking myself on a date.

01:38:24.000 You're just like there.

01:38:26.000 It's weird to explain it.

01:38:27.000 Yes, that's a good way to describe it.

01:38:28.000 Nothing really happened, but at the same time, the rest of that afternoon was awesome.

01:38:33.000 And I was almost grateful for stimulation because I'm a very like very intense type A kind of person.

01:38:33.000 Everything was bright.

01:38:39.000 So to be in a fucking thing for an hour and have nothing going on except for my own thoughts. 0.88

01:38:44.000 Afterwards, it's like, I'm in traffic driving back from Delray.

01:38:47.000 I'm like, this is great.

01:38:48.000 I love traffic.

01:38:49.000 You know, something to think about.

01:38:50.000 I can dodge these other cars.

01:38:52.000 That's funny.

01:38:53.000 Did you hallucinate at all, Joe, during when you were rolfing?

01:38:56.000 No.

01:38:57.000 What is rolfing?

01:38:58.000 It's painful, but you don't hallucinate.

01:39:00.000 I hallucinate when it's painful massages.

01:39:02.000 Like the Thai massage the other day, I was just like seeing all this crazy shit and it was so high. 1.00

01:39:07.000 No.

01:39:08.000 I don't like time massages.

01:39:09.000 They put you on the ground and they stretch you out.

01:39:11.000 You don't like it?

01:39:12.000 I love that.

01:39:13.000 I like being on a table.

01:39:14.000 They oil you up.

01:39:15.000 It's nice to be able to do it.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, but when they stretch you out, it's better for your body.

01:39:18.000 Like it doesn't feel as good, but it's better for your body.

01:39:20.000 Like you get the little snail trails everywhere.

01:39:24.000 Easy all the easy.

01:39:26.000 I don't even know what those are.

01:39:27.000 I don't know if I want to know.

01:39:28.000 Well, you do want to know.

01:39:29.000 You and Brian hook up after the show.

01:39:31.000 He'll show you pictures the NSA has doubtless already seen.

01:39:36.000 They're going to shut down the program because they're so repulsed by Brian's traffic.

01:39:40.000 This is Snail Trail folder 17.

01:39:44.000 It's barf.

01:39:45.000 It's funny.

01:39:45.000 I read that some huge percentage of internet users put their porn in a file called tax return.

01:39:52.000 They do like tax returns 2007.

01:39:54.000 And a lot of people do it.

01:39:56.000 So people go just go looking right.

01:39:58.000 So if your wife or girlfriend is looking for your computer, last thing she wants to click on is your boring tax return, so it gets skipped over.

01:40:04.000 That's funny.

01:40:05.000 A friend of mine would just put it under golf.

01:40:09.000 It's like, my girlfriend ain't going to look at golf. 1.00

01:40:11.000 All you have to do is put it in a folder and change the file extension from a folder to like a JPEG and call it something like sample.jpg and then when you try to click on it, nothing will happen because there'll be an error.

01:40:21.000 And then when you want to look at your porn, it can switch it back to the folder.

01:40:24.000 Nice.

01:40:25.000 No chick's going to figure that out. 1.00

01:40:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:27.000 Dude, you're thinking like some next level CSI shit.

01:40:30.000 You should really be working for the NSA, dog.

01:40:33.000 I already did.

01:40:33.000 Why are you wasting all your talent here on podcasts?

01:40:38.000 Is there a way to fix this shit, David Seaman?

01:40:41.000 Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because, like you said, I am a really positive person.

01:40:46.000 I'm not a cynic.

01:40:47.000 I'm not somebody who, when you hang out with me, I'm complaining about everything because I think 98% of human existence and probably like 99% of human existence in the United States is amazing.

01:40:57.000 You know, I have access to so much entertainment, so much cool shit to do constantly that there's no, if you're bored and you're over the age of 18, it's your own fault, you know?

01:41:05.000 But I was watching this lecture that Glenn Greenwald gave at Hampshire College and the videos on YouTube.

01:41:13.000 That's how I watched it.

01:41:15.000 It's like an hour-long lecture and then a Q ⁇ A session.

01:41:17.000 And Glenn Greenwald is the journalist who initially broke this NSA whistleblower story.

01:41:23.000 He published it in The Guardian.

01:41:24.000 And Glenn Greenwald has been all over civil rights for like years.

01:41:27.000 He used to be a lawyer, so he knows his stuff.

01:41:30.000 He's super thorough.

01:41:32.000 And you would think a guy like that would be really cynical by breaking all these terrible stories about abuses at Guantanamo and all this stuff.

01:41:39.000 But he said in his lecture, he was like, the one thing we have to keep in mind is even the most powerful institutions throughout human history are just composed of human beings like you and me.

01:41:49.000 And it's been shown throughout history, regardless of the civilization, that when enough human beings get together and decide that that institution is no longer functioning properly and either needs to be shut down or reformed in some way, that happens without exception, pretty much.

01:42:05.000 That can happen.

01:42:06.000 And we're talking about these agencies as if they're some monolithic thing.

01:42:10.000 It's just composed of people who go home at the end of the day and want to see their kids and they want to save up enough money to not work in a cubicle anymore one day.

01:42:17.000 And the people outside of that system just don't want to be spied on and they don't want to have this country turn into East Germany where people no longer do anything because they're afraid of the consequences.

01:42:27.000 Like you look at East Germany, no great art came out of that country when it was in lockdown.

01:42:33.000 No great inventions that I know of.

01:42:35.000 And why is that?

01:42:36.000 It's because everybody just wants to get by without attracting attention.

01:42:39.000 And that's not what the United States should be.

01:42:41.000 We're the total opposite of that.

01:42:43.000 You get as much attention as you want, and hopefully you'll do something valuable in the process.

01:42:47.000 That's our system.

01:42:48.000 And if you want more attention than you deserve, there's a repercussion for that.

01:42:52.000 Then you get slammed down by the people who make fun of the cardinal.

01:42:52.000 Right.

01:42:57.000 There's a balance.

01:42:58.000 There's a balance.

01:42:59.000 But if you get a situation where the normal person is now afraid of what they're saying in their emails and phone calls, how many months does it take before, okay, first of all, the journalism dries up, then the protests dry up, and then the entrepreneurs dry up because they go, I could make this app that'll make it easier for you to pay for your food, but I'm a little bit worried about the government doing what they did to the Bitcoin guys.

01:43:20.000 So I'm just going to stay at my shitty job and not develop this incredible app that could be the next PayPal.

01:43:26.000 And then before you know it, the U.S. is no longer this innovative hub, and it's all just happening in Europe or in fucking New Zealand where Kim.com is.

01:43:34.000 And he's the one who's making all the money off of it because they trust him more than they trust American entrepreneurs.

01:43:44.000 That's not what we believe in.

01:43:45.000 You know, it's just, I think there's a.

01:43:46.000 It's total bullshit.

01:43:48.000 Yeah, there's an Ernest Hemingway quote about America.

01:43:50.000 This is a fine place and it's worth fighting for.

01:43:53.000 And I feel that way.

01:43:54.000 You know, like I was walking around near my hotel earlier today and the houses in this neighborhood nearby are not big houses.

01:44:01.000 They're just modest homes.

01:44:02.000 Everybody had an American flag out front.

01:44:05.000 I guess because they're getting ready for the 4th of July.

01:44:07.000 Everything was quiet and peaceful, and people have nice cars, you know, like nice pickup trucks and stuff.

01:44:13.000 America's worth fighting for.

01:44:14.000 You know, like we're a peaceful, smart, chill people.

01:44:18.000 We don't need to continue to go down this road of being afraid of everything and everything being kept in the dark from us.

01:44:23.000 Like we're little children and we can't handle it.

01:44:25.000 It's really patronizing and it's not our system.

01:44:27.000 Do you think that the time of the country is limited?

01:44:31.000 The time of the idea of the country and the embracing the idea of a global civilization?

01:44:38.000 I think we're just getting started.

01:44:39.000 We're just getting started.

01:44:40.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 I mean, you look at Rome.

01:44:42.000 It's not as if things stopped when they became imperial.

01:44:44.000 That's really when the fun began, you know?

01:44:46.000 I mean, we have a lot of shit ahead of us, and it's not all going to be bad stuff.

01:44:50.000 It isn't all going to be bad stuff.

01:44:51.000 And I'm wondering how much of that can be impressed upon the people that are in power.

01:44:59.000 So it doesn't have to be bad.

01:45:01.000 Like, you can actually run this in a good way, you fucks.

01:45:03.000 Like, someone can come along who has enough ideas of how this can be structured where it can be that people still get to make money and people still get to have order and people still get to have laws.

01:45:15.000 Yeah.

01:45:15.000 And there's still respect and there's still...

01:45:19.000 I was in Uruguay last year, fairly small South American country, I think right next to Brazil.

01:45:25.000 And I was there and their president is known as like one of the most, how do you put this, like one of the least selfish presidents in the world and still like the still the figurehead for a fairly successful country.

01:45:40.000 So he gives away like 80% of his salary to charity and his hobbies, instead of being obsessed with getting invited to stuff like Bilderberg, he gardens with his long-term girlfriend.

01:45:52.000 They plant flowers.

01:45:53.000 He drives an old VW Beetle, like one of the ones from the 70s.

01:45:57.000 He's hippie.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, he drives an old beetle.

01:45:59.000 And what's funny is his past is really like messed up.

01:46:01.000 He spent, I think, a decade in a well imprisoned as a political prisoner.

01:46:06.000 And he had been shot by police at some point and all this stuff.

01:46:09.000 But instead of becoming radical and becoming this like anti, you know, anti-wealth kind of South American radical who wants to seek to get revenge, he just became a total moderate.

01:46:21.000 And, you know, he gardens and he's the president.

01:46:23.000 People love him.

01:46:23.000 And he looks like what a South American dictator would look like.

01:46:27.000 You know, he's like this old, jovial white guy.

01:46:30.000 But instead of going down that path of just acquiring more and more power, he's like, fuck it.

01:46:34.000 Like we're going to have a free country.

01:46:36.000 And I think that's something that more and more world leaders could probably aspire to.

01:46:40.000 How much of, yeah, I mean, how much of the direction of civilization is really dictated by charismatic individuals?

01:46:46.000 I mean, it's so often that someone in a right way or a wrong way will lead people astray.

01:46:51.000 Look at Hitler's speeches. 0.62

01:46:52.000 I watch this thing where they're look at Kennedy's speeches.

01:46:55.000 I watch this thing where they subtitle his speeches so you could see what he's actually saying.

01:46:58.000 Because I've always wondered, how could people go along with this raving lunatic and be like, yeah, yeah, we should put the Jews and the homosexuals in the ovens? 0.99

01:47:04.000 You know, this sounds good.

01:47:06.000 How could they go along with this?

01:47:07.000 The Germans are smart.

01:47:08.000 And if you look at the subtitles of his speeches, he's saying stuff like, you know, when one German needs help, another German should reach out because that's what we're about as a country is you help out another German who's down on his, you know, down on his luck and we move each other forward together.

01:47:23.000 All this shit that like, you can see why people would go along with it.

01:47:26.000 It wasn't craziness.

01:47:28.000 And then behind the scenes, he's doing all this really terrible shit.

01:47:31.000 And so he spoke to the common folk.

01:47:35.000 Yeah, I guess where I'm going with this is you're 100% right that there are a handful of charismatic people that have a huge amount of influence on what direction we take.

01:47:44.000 I like to think that in this day and age that that's changing.

01:47:47.000 I really do.

01:47:47.000 I like to think that in this day and age, because we live in this new paradigm, and you and I have accepted it, because we have no vested interest in keeping the past, you know, we didn't have any control.

01:47:58.000 Neither you nor I had any control over the way the world worked a decade, two decades ago.

01:48:03.000 So we have no vested interest in keeping the thing the way it is now.

01:48:08.000 We recognize that the world is changing.

01:48:10.000 We recognize that society is changing.

01:48:13.000 People are fucking smarter, man.

01:48:15.000 They're smarter.

01:48:16.000 They're smarter and they're more aware and they're more tuned in and it's not as easy to fucking trick them.

01:48:21.000 You see it with entertainment.

01:48:23.000 You see it with talk shows.

01:48:25.000 You see it with the criticism of newspaper articles and books and blogs.

01:48:32.000 People are more tuned in now than they ever have been before.

01:48:34.000 Well, it's funny, financial newsletters used to be really big in the 90s where people would subscribe to some experts' stock picks and he would say, you know, I'm up 18% for the past year, you know, whatever.

01:48:47.000 And people would subscribe thinking, oh, if I just listen to what this guy says, I'll make 1,800% per year.

01:48:52.000 And I almost went to work for a company earlier this year that reached out to me.

01:48:57.000 And what they do is they've found a way to actually audit these people's results.

01:49:01.000 So they go, oh, okay, let's actually see what you've been buying and selling.

01:49:04.000 You didn't make 1,800% this year.

01:49:07.000 You made like 10%.

01:49:08.000 And so they publish all the results and people pay for access to that information.

01:49:12.000 And so what you're seeing is this one area that used to be really scammy is now moving closer and closer to total transparency where, you know, if you're the real thing and you're actually picking the right stocks, then you're going to gain more followers than you ever would have before because people see that you're the real thing.

01:49:29.000 And if you're bullshit, nobody's going to go down that road.

01:49:32.000 And I feel like it'd be great if we get that going for other areas other than stock newsletters.

01:49:38.000 Like, let's get it going for government agencies.

01:49:39.000 Let's get it going for anything.

01:49:41.000 Like, just show the people the actual numbers.

01:49:43.000 Let them decide for themselves if this is something that we want to do.

01:49:46.000 And if not, it'll go away.

01:49:48.000 It seems like that's what a lot of people are terrified of.

01:49:50.000 Yeah.

01:49:51.000 A lot of people are terrified about having to do that, having to rise to the occasion, having to recognize that we live in a completely new world and that there's a lot more competition because there's a lot more access to the game.

01:50:04.000 Well, people say stuff.

01:50:04.000 They're like, well, should we have that much competition?

01:50:07.000 And you really, you do want that because so like if you have that's a funny thing to say.

01:50:12.000 Should there be that much competition?

01:50:13.000 Because people say things like the stock market is good like it is now being closed on weekends and stuff.

01:50:18.000 But ultimately you want total information exchange at all times.

01:50:22.000 You'd want 24-7 like commodities markets, right?

01:50:25.000 And so people are like arguing for this old shit and you're like, well, why are you arguing for that when it's less transparent?

01:50:30.000 You just want, ideally, you want people to be able to do anything at any time, as long as it doesn't harm other people.

01:50:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:50:37.000 And that includes online gambling, online porn, online anything.

01:50:43.000 The idea of regulating human behavior is completely ridiculous if that human behavior doesn't hurt other people.

01:50:48.000 And if it's not, then it's about controlling resources.

01:50:50.000 And if it's about controlling resources, it becomes about why should one person be able to tell you what you can and can't do if you're not somehow or another imprisoning or doing something fucked up to other people.

01:51:03.000 If you're not, then there shouldn't be that law.

01:51:06.000 There's too many.

01:51:08.000 There's too much business in enforcing it.

01:51:10.000 There's too much business in manipulating words in order to control humans.

01:51:14.000 And that's what I think everybody's freaking out about when it comes to the NDAA or the Patriot Act.

01:51:20.000 Well, this Section 215 of the Patriot Act, they have a secret interpretation of it, and that's how the NSA is doing all this data collection, or at least that's the foundation for some of it, I believe.

01:51:31.000 And how ludicrous is that?

01:51:33.000 The Patriot Act is scary enough, what it actually says.

01:51:36.000 But then you have the government saying, oh, no, no, we have this secret interpretation in a lockbox that you can't actually look at, but our secret interpretation allows us to do A, B, and C. It'd be like if you signed a contract and then the guy doesn't pay you what had been agreed upon, and you take him to court and you sue him, and he's like, no, you can't sue me because I actually have a secret interpretation of your compensation on this contract.

01:51:57.000 You'd be like, that's totally fucking insane.

01:51:59.000 There's no basis in law for that.

01:52:01.000 But the government is doing this stuff.

01:52:03.000 And up until the past few weeks, people have not really been calling them out on it.

01:52:08.000 I mean, of course, some people have, but it hasn't gone mainstream in the way that it is now.

01:52:11.000 You know, when you're talking about everything accelerating, you know, they're experiencing that now, too.

01:52:17.000 They're experiencing that slowly, but surely.

01:52:20.000 It's like one, two, three, four, this is the same thing.

01:52:23.000 Look at all these men, man.

01:52:24.000 Look at all these whistleblowers.

01:52:25.000 He's like, what, the third or fourth guy from the NSA alone?

01:52:28.000 How bad must things be there that you're willing to give up everything to come out and talk to the press?

01:52:34.000 Yeah, well, there's some people that feel like they're compelled.

01:52:37.000 There's real heroes in this world.

01:52:38.000 You know, like what Pat Tillman did.

01:52:43.000 He was the football player, right?

01:52:44.000 He was a professional football league player, superstar, and decided he wanted to go and defend his country.

01:52:44.000 Yeah.

01:52:50.000 So he risked it all and went over to Afghanistan or Iraq, wherever he was killed.

01:52:57.000 I think it was Afghanistan.

01:52:58.000 And found that it was a big fucking shitpile once he got there.

01:53:01.000 It was completely disorganized.

01:53:02.000 It was a mess.

01:53:03.000 He was very vocal about it.

01:53:05.000 Some people, though, that they really will do what this guy's done.

01:53:10.000 Step up and say, hey, you know, this needs to be discussed and talked about.

01:53:13.000 And everyone's chasing after him.

01:53:15.000 And everyone is talking about this cover of USA Today.

01:53:19.000 X percent think he should be prosecuted and blah, blah, blah.

01:53:22.000 But the bottom line is all of a sudden that dialogue is open.

01:53:26.000 All of a sudden, that conversation is being had.

01:53:29.000 Who are these people that are allowed to read David Seaman's email?

01:53:33.000 And why can they?

01:53:34.000 And aren't they just people?

01:53:36.000 And weird things happen when you call yourself the NSA or the CIA or the FBI.

01:53:43.000 When you become part of a group, you can do some weird shit.

01:53:46.000 Even when you call yourself district manager, weird stuff happens.

01:53:49.000 You go from being an objective observer of what happened to, well, I can't return more than a certain percentage of shirts because it'll make my numbers look bad.

01:53:57.000 So you have somebody who's no longer acting out of total objective reality and they have a vested interest in some kind of outcome and you multiply that times a thousand and you get the National Security Agency.

01:54:10.000 Yeah.

01:54:10.000 But to go back to being positive, I think we're headed for a Star Trek future.

01:54:16.000 Like if you watch Star Trek Next Generation, not the new major motion pictures that are just action flicks, but that whole ideal view that hundreds of years from now, people have so much abundance in terms of energy and information that money is no longer the focus.

01:54:32.000 Because if you want to get an education, it'll be given to you because it won't cost us that much to do it.

01:54:37.000 So if you want to get a lot of money.

01:54:38.000 You're going to get educated online.

01:54:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:54:39.000 That's what I mean.

01:54:40.000 You'll get an education, all the education you need.

01:54:43.000 If you need healthcare, it's going to be so commoditized, so easy to provide a level of care.

01:54:48.000 You'll get that.

01:54:49.000 If you want to fly across the country, it's going to cost you almost nothing because one of the big costs right now to fly is the jet fuel.

01:54:56.000 It's not the lease of the airplane.

01:54:57.000 It's not the shitty wages they pay to the pilot and the stewardesses.

01:55:02.000 It's actually the jet fuel that's burning.

01:55:04.000 What about when we move away from that kind of era and get something better to power all of our vehicles?

01:55:11.000 Then it changes everything.

01:55:12.000 Because then FedEx stuffing across the country doesn't cost much anymore either.

01:55:16.000 Before you know it, you have a society where you just don't have to pay for all that much stuff.

01:55:19.000 How about this?

01:55:20.000 How about when it's down to everybody acquiring raw materials because you have a 3D printer in your house?

01:55:25.000 That's going to be free.

01:55:26.000 And no one ever has to buy anything.

01:55:28.000 That's going to be free.

01:55:29.000 That's coming.

01:55:30.000 You're going to be able to download the instructions and the directions for making a laptop.

01:55:30.000 That's coming.

01:55:35.000 Make your own fleshlight.

01:55:36.000 Making anything.

01:55:37.000 That's happening too, for sure.

01:55:38.000 I think it's basically going to be anything.

01:55:40.000 I think it's going to start off just like printers were, where, you know, they were only black and white and you have to have a big office to have a laser print.

01:55:47.000 It took forever to print it out.

01:55:48.000 Yeah, I mean, that's completely changed.

01:55:50.000 It's changed radically.

01:55:51.000 The ability to download an image.

01:55:53.000 Remember it used to be like click, click, click, click, click, click.

01:55:56.000 It was like really slow to get like a one megabyte JPEG.

01:56:00.000 Now it's instantaneous.

01:56:03.000 There's going to come a time when everyone can just get what they want online.

01:56:08.000 You're going to be able to download the instructions and people are going to probably have some sort of a PayPal system or some sort of a donation system where they'll, hey, I invented this.

01:56:21.000 And they'll upload it and people donate a bunch of money to them to be able to use it.

01:56:26.000 And they'll find merit in it.

01:56:27.000 If they find merit in it and they have the resources, they'll upload the money to this person and that person will be able to benefit from it.

01:56:34.000 If you live in America, even today, if you have a truly great idea and you put it out on whatever these sites are, Indiegogo and Kickstarter, you can get the money you need to make your dream a reality.

01:56:34.000 Yeah.

01:56:45.000 And that's extraordinary.

01:56:47.000 It didn't exist until very recently.

01:56:49.000 And it'll be a reasonable...

01:56:56.000 And now you can just put it on Kickstarter.

01:56:58.000 Nobody cares about anything other than is the idea worthy.

01:57:02.000 Yeah, no doubt.

01:57:03.000 Alex Gray's Kickstarter, he came on the podcast to talk about it and within I don't know, a couple days, his Kickstarter had gone over $200,000.

01:57:16.000 That's a beautiful thing.

01:57:19.000 It's a weird thing that you can do that today.

01:57:21.000 It's $210,000 now.

01:57:23.000 And that was like within days we watched that change.

01:57:27.000 It's like all people have to do is be alerted to a good idea and then they look at the Kickstarter.

01:57:31.000 Oh, this is a very reasonable offer.

01:57:33.000 He has all these really cool things that he's going to give you.

01:57:36.000 He'll draw an image of you for X amount of money.

01:57:38.000 He'll give you free tickets to the opening of Entheon for this amount of money.

01:57:42.000 And in doing something like that and creating something like that, he essentially like organized and energized this base of supporters.

01:57:51.000 And then, you know, if you have a million fans and the X amount of them give you money, boom, you're up and running.

01:57:57.000 You don't need to sell your dick to Nestle.

01:57:59.000 You don't need to stick your ass up in the air for Coca-Cola.

01:58:03.000 You do whatever you want.

01:58:04.000 You can do whatever you want.

01:58:05.000 Yeah, it takes away the power from the guy I got dinner with last night is a TV producer, and he's friends with the guy who produces Philip DeFranco's show.

01:58:15.000 That's one of the bigger YouTube shows.

01:58:15.000 What's that?

01:58:19.000 And he was talking about how now these networks just don't matter.

01:58:22.000 Because all they have is we've been around for 60 years.

01:58:25.000 And somebody who started two years ago is like, well, that doesn't fucking matter anymore.

01:58:29.000 If we're producing better content, then we're actually competitive.

01:58:32.000 And you're seeing now that location doesn't matter either.

01:58:35.000 Look at what's his name, Sy or Gangnam style Psy?

01:58:39.000 Even though he's not in a hotbed of U.S. music, he instantly took off over here because of this technology we have.

01:58:47.000 No, because we like watching fat Asian guys dance around and looking weird with hot Asian girls that we hope they don't get to fuck before we do. 1.00

01:58:54.000 I guess what I'm saying is if the idea is good, it propagates now in a way that was just impossible even 10 years ago.

01:59:00.000 Oh, for sure.

01:59:01.000 You know, I mean, look, this podcast has never been advertised anywhere.

01:59:05.000 We haven't done anything.

01:59:06.000 All we've done is just keep doing it.

01:59:08.000 And in doing that, it's built a completely organic word of mouth.

01:59:11.000 I mean, I've talked to people about it if they asked me about it in interviews, but I've done nothing to try to promote this podcast as far as like commercially.

01:59:19.000 And it sort of just caught on on its own.

01:59:23.000 And I think, honestly, it'll be a slower road for someone who's not famous, but it's possible for like almost anybody today.

01:59:33.000 And I know you have a podcast now, and by you putting your ideas out there on the internet, you gained a lot of support when you were going to run for Congress, and then that support bled over to things that I came in contact with, and then you and I came in contact with each other, and you came on this show, and then you started going on a bunch of other shows, and then it all sort of webs out from each other.

01:59:52.000 You didn't have any important family that you came from.

01:59:56.000 You didn't have any, you know, privileged influence where you had a brother who was the president of the United States.

02:00:03.000 There was nothing like that.

02:00:04.000 You were just a guy.

02:00:05.000 It's funny because the things that I thought used to be my weaknesses in this new environment are actually your biggest strengths.

02:00:11.000 I was kind of deeply insecure back when I was a journalist.

02:00:15.000 Now I'm a journalist again.

02:00:16.000 Because the congressional thing, I think that was a little delusional on my part to think that you can jump in there and hope to have any kind of chance to be taken seriously.

02:00:25.000 But now that I'm back to doing journalism, the things that I used to be really insecure about, that I wasn't working for a TV network and didn't have New York Times or NBC News after my name, those are actually your biggest strengths today because people go, oh, if this guy knows about something, he's not going to hold back.

02:00:42.000 He's going to do the research and put it out there.

02:00:44.000 And the other thing that I'm not afraid to do that I think more journalists should do is put things into perspective for people.

02:00:49.000 People are busy.

02:00:51.000 I sit there reading through this boring national security stuff and then I'm able to pick out what's important and tell people this matters.

02:00:57.000 And then sometimes people will tweet me something that seems like a really big deal and I'll debunk it.

02:01:01.000 I'm like, actually, it's problematic, but it probably doesn't matter because of A, B, and C. And people need that because there's no sense of perspective anymore.

02:01:08.000 You go to the homepage of Yahoo, and it's something about Obama, some huge meeting with Merkel in Germany.

02:01:15.000 And then the next line right next to it is Kim Kardashian's baby.

02:01:19.000 And then the line below that is the Duggar family or the Duggars, whatever they're called that have 19 kids, the reality TV whores. 1.00

02:01:25.000 It's them.

02:01:26.000 And so it fucks with your mind because you're like, are these things all equally important?

02:01:30.000 This is what's most important in the world today are these three stories.

02:01:34.000 And you need people who are not compromised by the system, who have no paycheck coming directly from a news organization to just say, yeah, this is really important.

02:01:43.000 People should pay attention to it.

02:01:44.000 Or this is bullshit.

02:01:45.000 It's just being hyped and it's not that big a deal.

02:01:47.000 Well, essentially, there's always going to be a need for junk food.

02:01:51.000 And there's going to be a need for intellectual junk food as well.

02:01:54.000 And much like actual food, if you offer people intellectual junk food, there's a certain group of us, and I lump me in there as well, that will self-sabotage.

02:02:06.000 And they will eat junk food.

02:02:10.000 And they will have a cheeseburger.

02:02:11.000 And they should really have a salad.

02:02:13.000 And they will watch intellectual junk food when maybe it would do them better to sit down and read a book or to watch Nova or to see a documentary.

02:02:22.000 There's sometimes you don't want to watch documentary.

02:02:24.000 You want to watch a bunch of assholes bid on storage space.

02:02:27.000 It doesn't make any fucking sense.

02:02:29.000 And that's good, too.

02:02:30.000 There's no reason you have to do serious stuff all day long.

02:02:33.000 You're right.

02:02:34.000 I certainly don't subscribe to that.

02:02:36.000 But you're a balanced person.

02:02:38.000 And if you're an imbalanced person, much like people who just eat cheeseburgers, you're going to have intellectual junk food 24-7. 0.95

02:02:44.000 You're going to be comforted.

02:02:45.000 Your mind will be occupied by nonsense.

02:02:47.000 And that's what we really need.

02:02:49.000 Our minds are designed to be occupied by the pursuit of food, sustenance, and sexuality.

02:02:54.000 That's what we're after.

02:02:55.000 We're trying to find a place to rest, someone to fuck, something to eat.

02:03:00.000 Ready?

02:03:00.000 Keep going.

02:03:01.000 Get up in the morning.

02:03:01.000 Go.

02:03:02.000 Are you awake?

02:03:03.000 Okay.

02:03:03.000 Fill the needs.

02:03:04.000 And now those needs are filled.

02:03:06.000 Instead, you're plugged into a fucking video game.

02:03:08.000 You're playing football with some digital characters and you're eating pizza that some guy actually walked up to your fucking door.

02:03:16.000 And all you have to do is give him some paper that means almost nothing.

02:03:19.000 And he gives you pizza and you stuff it in your fat face and go right back to your stupid game.

02:03:24.000 And it's so easy to do that.

02:03:26.000 It's so easy to do that.

02:03:27.000 As long as you can do enough to justify Enough ones and zeros coming into your whatever your bank account is these days.

02:03:34.000 It's not the vault.

02:03:35.000 The vaults are filled with paper.

02:03:37.000 You know, what's in that fucking vault?

02:03:38.000 It's vaults filled with paper that's promising something.

02:03:41.000 Depromises inside.

02:03:43.000 It's very strange.

02:03:44.000 There's actually a great documentary.

02:03:46.000 I think National Geographic did it on Fort Knox and all the controversies surrounding that.

02:03:51.000 What's important?

02:03:52.000 Is there no gold?

02:03:53.000 Well, one of the theories is that the gold was replaced over time with like tungsten bars or something because most people never have access to it anyway.

02:04:00.000 And governments – Governments swap their gold all the time.

02:04:05.000 So they're basically saying, since there's not much transparency, we don't know what's actually there.

02:04:10.000 And it could have been sold off 20 years ago to some European government.

02:04:14.000 And what we have here is just a bunch of blanks.

02:04:16.000 That sounds like a really good movie.

02:04:18.000 Yeah.

02:04:18.000 Like with Eddie Murphy and maybe Ben Stiller.

02:04:22.000 They break into Fort Knox and they find out there's nothing there.

02:04:25.000 Well, I think what's a more fascinating story is...

02:04:28.000 No, that's Bankheist, the Tower Heist.

02:04:30.000 That's what Die Hard's almost.

02:04:32.000 I liked that movie.

02:04:32.000 Oh, really?

02:04:34.000 Wasn't Precious in Tower Heist?

02:04:36.000 I didn't see.

02:04:36.000 Oh, yes, she was.

02:04:37.000 Yeah, the woman from Precious.

02:04:40.000 I think the more fascinating story is let's take the government at face value and there's actually hundreds of billions of dollars of gold in this tiny little fort.

02:04:48.000 That's fucking incredible.

02:04:49.000 That's like something out of ancient times that we have that, you know?

02:04:52.000 Yeah, that's like a Mongol whore. 1.00

02:04:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:04:56.000 That's pretty preposterous.

02:04:58.000 The whole society that we live in is pretty preposterous.

02:05:01.000 But I think I really do ultimately have faith in the future.

02:05:06.000 And I didn't when I was younger.

02:05:08.000 I'm more optimistic now than ever before because I think that ultimately, although there will be some peaks and valleys and some happy and sad and some angry and some happy, the convergence, the convergence of information and the convergence of ideas is inevitable.

02:05:24.000 And I think it will all balance out because of that.

02:05:27.000 I think we're going to be forced, because of this new reality, this new digital reality, we're going to be forced into a new level of communication, a new level of understanding, and a new level of, you know, of like community.

02:05:40.000 That's what I think.

02:05:41.000 What the fuck do I know?

02:05:42.000 We could all be like on the way to enlightenment, all of us doing mushrooms, holding hands, chanting Om, and then we get hit by a meteor.

02:05:51.000 That could start.

02:05:51.000 Boom.

02:05:52.000 Start from scratch.

02:05:53.000 That could happen.

02:05:54.000 It's interesting that people don't, even today, they don't act purely out of the need for more paper, for more money.

02:06:00.000 Like you look at Reddit and how people research stuff non-stop and good stuff rises to the top of the page.

02:06:06.000 They're just doing that for these internet points or karma.

02:06:09.000 They're just doing it basically so that other people will recognize that they're doing good work.

02:06:12.000 There's a game in that, though.

02:06:14.000 And there's also a benefit in that.

02:06:15.000 There's a social benefit in that where you feel good, where you make something that people enjoy.

02:06:20.000 And that's what I'm saying is already we're aspiring to better stuff than just acquiring money.

02:06:24.000 Yeah, that's money.

02:06:25.000 That is currency.

02:06:26.000 It's an online currency.

02:06:28.000 That's what people love about posting on message boards.

02:06:31.000 They love getting the approval of the people around them.

02:06:35.000 That's why they get so mad when they get banned.

02:06:37.000 Oh, you've taken me out of my hot spot, my juicy spot.

02:06:40.000 I've gotten so much love there.

02:06:42.000 I've gotten so much points.

02:06:44.000 You've cut my cash flow.

02:06:49.000 No.

02:06:51.000 It's a ridiculous idea.

02:06:52.000 Well, some people do.

02:06:54.000 I love those mountain men shows.

02:06:56.000 My favorite shows are like Alaska, The Last Frontier, and Mountain Men.

02:07:02.000 I like the Bearing Straight Gold one.

02:07:04.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:04.000 That one's awesome.

02:07:05.000 Amish people are going to rule the world in 30 years. 1.00

02:07:07.000 No, because you know what, man?

02:07:08.000 They're boring.

02:07:11.000 They're dressing up like assholes and fucking driving with rigging.

02:07:14.000 They got some wooden wheels.

02:07:15.000 What are you talking about?

02:07:16.000 Well, those are the people that do that rumpelsta. 0.98

02:07:18.000 That thing that they do.

02:07:20.000 What is it called?

02:07:21.000 Rumple stealth.

02:07:22.000 Rumple shot.

02:07:23.000 They have a thing they do when they become an adult and they're allowed to leave the church and go balls out.

02:07:29.000 And they get crazy and they party and they fuck.

02:07:32.000 And they're allowed to do it for like a year or two or whatever.

02:07:34.000 And then they're supposed to make their decision whether or not they want to come back to the church.

02:07:39.000 Are there stats on what percentage say, actually, this is better?

02:07:41.000 I'm going to stay as a. 1.00

02:07:43.000 No, there's not.

02:07:44.000 Because the stats are skewed by the fact that 100% of all Amish people are retarded. 0.99

02:07:44.000 You know why? 0.99

02:07:49.000 So those stats fuck up those other stats.

02:07:53.000 Do I mean that Amish people?

02:07:54.000 No.

02:07:54.000 But guess what?

02:07:55.000 If you listen to this podcast, you're not really fucking Amish, all right? 1.00

02:07:59.000 So there.

02:08:00.000 Because this podcast is illegal in the Amish community. 0.84

02:08:04.000 You're not allowed to have a podcast.

02:08:06.000 What's the movie Inception about?

02:08:11.000 I don't know what it's about, but here's the problem.

02:08:13.000 Wait, wait, wait, no, hold on.

02:08:15.000 I mean, what's the movie Inception about?

02:08:21.000 Inception is about dreaming about, dreaming about, dreaming about, dreaming about something or other.

02:08:26.000 I fell asleep.

02:08:28.000 That's Siri?

02:08:29.000 How dare you, David Seaman, sneak out to take a leak while Brian gets silly.

02:08:34.000 I think we can wrap this up with a little less doom and gloom, Brian.

02:08:38.000 You know, I mean, yeah.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, we're run by a bunch of cunts. 0.84

02:08:41.000 But you know what?

02:08:42.000 They're cunts, and they know they're cunts, and they wish they weren't cunts. 1.00

02:08:45.000 So I call out to all ye cunts, get your shit together. 0.99

02:08:48.000 Let's cheer this up a little.

02:08:49.000 All you bishes, have a couple of whiskeys, hug it out, go run around the block, get a yoga class in every now and again. 0.97

02:08:56.000 Open up your chakras, okay? 1.00

02:08:59.000 Realize you don't have to be a fucking asshole. 0.79

02:08:59.000 Open up your heart. 0.79

02:09:02.000 This is not going to last.

02:09:03.000 And you're caught up in a big trap.

02:09:05.000 And that big trap is you're trying to collect all the gold.

02:09:08.000 And it doesn't matter, buddy.

02:09:09.000 It doesn't matter.

02:09:10.000 You could have half the gold and twice the friends.

02:09:13.000 You'd be three times as happy.

02:09:14.000 Boom.

02:09:15.000 That's Joe Brogan Experience Mathematics for you.

02:09:18.000 At least we found out the real true ending of the Sopranos today.

02:09:21.000 Man, that's what I'm saying.

02:09:22.000 Doesn't that suck?

02:09:24.000 For folks who don't know, James Gandalfini died today.

02:09:27.000 I was in New York two months ago with my whole family.

02:09:30.000 We were eating in a restaurant, and James Gandalfini walked right by.

02:09:34.000 And I was like, holy shit.

02:09:36.000 You know what makes me sad about James Gandalfini dying?

02:09:39.000 It's the same thing that made me happy about you when you came in today and told me you were stopped from smoking.

02:09:44.000 That you haven't been smoking.

02:09:45.000 It's Joey Diaz.

02:09:47.000 I see Joey Diaz and I see James Gandalfini and I say, okay, that's going to happen to Joey.

02:09:52.000 And I see you and I think you're not going to live forever if you live the way you live and smoking cigarettes.

02:09:58.000 The reason why I was quitting smoking Is because I tried to hike the other day and I was like, holy shit, my cardio is fucked up.

02:10:04.000 So I'm thinking about what do you think I should do?

02:10:06.000 I'm either thinking about doing this.

02:10:08.000 This girl that was on Fear Factor with you, she teaches boxing. 1.00

02:10:13.000 She's an MMA boxing trainer. 0.97

02:10:16.000 And she wants me to train with her.

02:10:19.000 Harry, I'll tell you in a second.

02:10:20.000 But she wants me to train with her.

02:10:20.000 Hold on.

02:10:22.000 Do you think boxing training would be fun?

02:10:23.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:10:24.000 It's great.

02:10:24.000 It's really hard.

02:10:25.000 It works your cardio well.

02:10:26.000 Louis C.K. does a lot of that.

02:10:28.000 It's great.

02:10:29.000 You don't have to actually box somebody.

02:10:31.000 You just hit the bag and hit pads.

02:10:33.000 And the most important thing is it's actually fun to do.

02:10:35.000 It's not like, you know, it's not...

02:10:42.000 It's not competitive at all, so you're just there.

02:10:44.000 Carrie Williams.

02:10:45.000 Show me a picture of her?

02:10:45.000 Carrie Williams.

02:10:46.000 You should do yoga also.

02:10:47.000 I've gotten really into that.

02:10:49.000 Yoga is fantastic.

02:10:50.000 And yoga, Brian, you will meet way more hot chicks. 1.00

02:10:54.000 That girl? 0.97

02:10:55.000 Yeah.

02:10:56.000 You'd know her.

02:10:57.000 She was on.

02:10:58.000 Okay, I wouldn't know her like that.

02:11:01.000 All naked and oiled up and shit.

02:11:02.000 You and her together.

02:11:04.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:05.000 Ben, I barely remember her.

02:11:07.000 I was so much prettier then.

02:11:07.000 The problem.

02:11:09.000 I've really gotten weird looking.

02:11:12.000 You don't look Italian anymore. 0.99

02:11:12.000 Starting to fade. 0.99

02:11:13.000 You look more Buddhist.

02:11:16.000 I'm fat, man.

02:11:17.000 My fucking face is fat.

02:11:18.000 People are like, your face is fatter.

02:11:19.000 I'm like, yeah, I know.

02:11:20.000 Everything's fatter.

02:11:21.000 It's harder to keep weight off when I'm not doing jiu-jitsu, but my back is better than it's ever been before.

02:11:27.000 For the folks who asked me about what I talked about, what I've been doing is something called prolozone therapy.

02:11:32.000 It's prolotherapy with ozone for my disc issue and a lot of stretching and spinal decompression.

02:11:40.000 I can't tell you how much better I feel than just a few months ago.

02:11:43.000 So if you got any back issues, don't be sleeping on that shit.

02:11:48.000 So you're going to do boxing with her?

02:11:50.000 She offered to train me and stuff like that, but I don't know.

02:11:50.000 Well, I don't know.

02:11:54.000 She probably wants some publicity. 1.00

02:11:55.000 She was on Fear Factor.

02:11:55.000 We'll give her some.

02:11:57.000 I definitely don't hate her.

02:11:59.000 I saw too many goddamn people.

02:12:01.000 We did, I don't know how many fucking episodes of Fear Factor.

02:12:03.000 I think it was 148 over six years.

02:12:07.000 And then each person has at least, each episode has at least six people.

02:12:10.000 So unfortunately, there's no way I can remember 600 people.

02:12:13.000 That's that Dunbar's number.

02:12:14.000 You only get 150 that you can store inside your brain.

02:12:17.000 Isn't that wild to think about?

02:12:18.000 Yeah.

02:12:19.000 I wonder how that rotates out.

02:12:21.000 Dunbar's number?

02:12:22.000 Yeah, I wonder if when you meet somebody new, somebody else is popping out of your brain.

02:12:25.000 That's what it is.

02:12:26.000 Yeah, your memory just gets deleted.

02:12:28.000 Whereas people that live in small towns, like you ever talk to somebody that grew up in the same town as you that didn't leave and they know all the same people and they remember everything that happened in high school.

02:12:36.000 Yeah.

02:12:37.000 And they start telling you some shit that you did and you're like, I did that?

02:12:40.000 And they remember things you don't.

02:12:41.000 Remember, you used to date Debbie Wilson?

02:12:42.000 You're like, fuck, I forgot about Debbie Wilson. 0.94

02:12:45.000 How the fuck do you remember Debbie Wilson?

02:12:47.000 Why?

02:12:47.000 Because they don't have as much information hitting them on a regular basis as you do, David Seaman, former congressional candidate, bad motherfucker on the internet.

02:12:55.000 Your podcast is what, sir?

02:12:57.000 It is the David Seaman hour.

02:12:59.000 Available on iTunes?

02:13:00.000 Yeah, iTunes and Stitcher.

02:13:02.000 And if people want to see a positive side of me, like two interviews ago, I interviewed Tara Stiles, who is Deepak Chopra's yoga instructor.

02:13:09.000 So that's like interviewing Mark Zuckerberg's social media expert.

02:13:12.000 It's fucking dope.

02:13:14.000 That's fun.

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:15.000 And what did Tara have to say?

02:13:18.000 She gave me some hangover cure tips and like being tired tips, different poses you can try.

02:13:24.000 Really?

02:13:24.000 And yeah.

02:13:26.000 So Deepak has like a yoga instructor that he takes him everywhere he goes?

02:13:30.000 I don't think he takes her.

02:13:31.000 She has a studio in New York, so I don't think that she's like.

02:13:34.000 Does he live in New York?

02:13:35.000 He lives in LA or he lives somewhere out here.

02:13:38.000 So how the fuck is he getting yoga from her?

02:13:40.000 Were they Skype in it in?

02:13:41.000 Apparently, a couple years ago, she talks about it on the episode.

02:13:44.000 A couple years ago, he just came up to her and was like, do you want to be my yoga instructor?

02:13:48.000 Probably trying to get someone in that sweet, sweet thing. 1.00

02:13:51.000 I think they created an iPhone app together and all that stuff.

02:13:53.000 But I'm just super into it because it's had an impact on my life.

02:13:56.000 She's not my instructor.

02:13:57.000 I just, you know, interviewed her.

02:13:59.000 Yoga's legit.

02:14:00.000 Yeah, definitely legit.

02:14:00.000 It is.

02:14:01.000 I do a lot of breathing exercises.

02:14:04.000 It calms your mind so much.

02:14:06.000 It's huge for you.

02:14:06.000 Yeah.

02:14:08.000 There's a lot of shit that people figured out before they didn't have phones.

02:14:12.000 They have nothing else to do.

02:14:12.000 So they're like, how do we optimize this body by doing all these stretches?

02:14:16.000 And they figured it out and they wrote it down and you can learn from it.

02:14:19.000 It seems like it's nonsense.

02:14:20.000 Like, how can stretching actually make me feel better?

02:14:23.000 But it does some weird shit.

02:14:24.000 It opens up paths in your brain.

02:14:26.000 Like, I remember I was super nervous.

02:14:29.000 I've been super nervous a bunch of times in my life.

02:14:31.000 And the best things that I've ever done to calm myself down was yoga.

02:14:35.000 I was super nervous the first time I ever did the Howard Stern show, the night before I couldn't even sleep.

02:14:39.000 So I just did yoga in my hotel room.

02:14:41.000 That helped?

02:14:42.000 Yeah, I felt great.

02:14:43.000 I was high as fuck.

02:14:44.000 I did yoga for like two hours, and I just got high.

02:14:46.000 I just hit this total, complete calm zone.

02:14:50.000 It carried me over the next day.

02:14:51.000 I didn't worry about anything.

02:14:52.000 I mean, I was still a little bit nervous when I got there because he was like a radio hero for me.

02:14:56.000 But once I got in there, I was so calm.

02:15:00.000 I was so like, I felt I was me.

02:15:01.000 I was 100% me.

02:15:02.000 Where I was worried about that.

02:15:04.000 And the other time, I had a really important set that I was doing at Aspen at the Aspen Comedy Festival.

02:15:10.000 And I was nervous about it.

02:15:12.000 And I remember this dude that was there that I thought was really fucking annoying.

02:15:16.000 And when I did the yoga, like I got into this total, complete, accepting, calm, friendly place.

02:15:25.000 And I saw the dude that I think is annoying.

02:15:28.000 And normally I'd be like, oh, look at this fucking douchebag.

02:15:30.000 Like, this guy's gross.

02:15:32.000 But immediately I was like, eh, poor fella.

02:15:35.000 Yeah.

02:15:35.000 Like, it didn't bother me at all.

02:15:36.000 I just, like, I didn't mind.

02:15:38.000 I would have given him a hug if he asked for one.

02:15:40.000 Like, I didn't care.

02:15:41.000 I'd hit some frequency where I realized that it was manipulatable.

02:15:47.000 It was, you could, you could alter it.

02:15:49.000 You could alter it with discipline.

02:15:50.000 You could alter it with consciousness.

02:15:52.000 And by consciousness, I don't mean any woo-woo consciousness.

02:15:54.000 I mean by deciding yourself.

02:15:58.000 Like I would rather be happy than sad.

02:16:00.000 I would rather be friendly than distant.

02:16:04.000 I would rather be warm than cold.

02:16:06.000 So just do it.

02:16:08.000 Go through the work.

02:16:09.000 Do these poses.

02:16:10.000 It takes two to tango.

02:16:11.000 Like if somebody's being an asshole to you after you've taken a yoga class, you're much slower to react.

02:16:17.000 You realize that it's not actually a confrontation until you confront them as well.

02:16:21.000 Totally.

02:16:22.000 I ran into some crazy fuck in New York.

02:16:24.000 I was in New York and there's this guy at the park.

02:16:27.000 We were filming this shit at the park.

02:16:29.000 And I thought The guy said something.

02:16:31.000 So I said, I'm sorry, excuse me.

02:16:33.000 Like, did you say something?

02:16:34.000 I thought he said something.

02:16:36.000 I wasn't being mean at all.

02:16:36.000 He goes, he goes, I know you ain't fucking talking to me.

02:16:39.000 Oh, shit.

02:16:41.000 And I go, I thought you said something.

02:16:43.000 And he goes, I know you ain't fucking talking to me.

02:16:46.000 And I go, well, I am talking to you.

02:16:48.000 Obviously.

02:16:49.000 But I didn't mean to disturb you.

02:16:51.000 I go, I thought you had said something.

02:16:54.000 And he goes, but you ain't fucking talking to me.

02:16:56.000 I go, I thought I was.

02:16:58.000 I go, my apologies.

02:16:59.000 He goes, all right, apology accepted.

02:17:01.000 And then it like ended.

02:17:02.000 But it was like, I didn't engage at all.

02:17:04.000 Like, instead of like, fuck you, dickhead, who the fuck are you?

02:17:08.000 You know, instead of that, instead of like, I'll smack you.

02:17:10.000 It was like, oh, okay, you know, whatever.

02:17:13.000 Like, and how many times has that happened where that guy wound up getting stabbed or beat up or sent to the hospital or beat somebody else up or, you know, distracted himself from his fucking miserable, pathetic, crazy life because, you know, he manages to get himself involved in some sort of a conflict that was exciting.

02:17:29.000 Yeah.

02:17:29.000 Even just taking a pause after something like that happens, like I think more about stuff now that I do yoga.

02:17:36.000 And normally I'm really quick to react.

02:17:38.000 Like I always have some kind of like quick response.

02:17:40.000 And in a situation like that, now I'll think, like, do I even have to talk about this?

02:17:44.000 Do I even have to respond to this crazy person?

02:17:46.000 Or is it better to just laugh and keep walking down the sidewalk?

02:17:46.000 Yeah.

02:17:49.000 Well, you know, Dave Asprey talked about that on the podcast where he was talking about road rage.

02:17:54.000 And he was talking about that.

02:17:54.000 It was crazy to think about.

02:17:56.000 Well, what he was saying was, and this is the first time I've ever had anybody explain it like this, was that when you are driving, you're going very fast.

02:18:04.000 And when you're going fast, you have to be able to make split-second decisions.

02:18:07.000 So you get locked into this very pure reptile state of mind where it's just about move, react, do this.

02:18:14.000 And when someone does something, like, fuck you, it just comes out.

02:18:18.000 And the reason why it comes out is because you're ramped up to react without thinking.

02:18:22.000 Whereas if you're walking casually, like down a nice trail in the woods and someone's coming the opposite direction, there would be no road rage.

02:18:32.000 They would be like, hey, what's up?

02:18:33.000 How you doing?

02:18:34.000 And it would be gone.

02:18:35.000 You'd move out of each other's way.

02:18:38.000 You wouldn't be locked into this reptilian frame of mind.

02:18:41.000 I never really thought about it that way.

02:18:43.000 Our brains are not designed to go 70 miles an hour.

02:18:45.000 And what trips me out is that when you go on any flight, you have a guy sitting in the front of the plane who's making whatever, like $35,000 or $45,000 a year.

02:18:56.000 And he's sitting there, and he's had to train himself to move at 500 miles an hour and keep that shit together for the duration of the flight when his nervous system is designed to deal with him going at a max of like 12 miles an hour.

02:19:12.000 And he's doing this and it's like completely routine because that's the world we live in.

02:19:16.000 It's crazy.

02:19:17.000 And you paid almost nothing for it.

02:19:19.000 You paid like $100 for the flight.

02:19:21.000 Yeah.

02:19:21.000 You ever watch somebody play tennis, like at a high level?

02:19:24.000 See him darting back and forth trying to swat this fucking crazy ball to the side.

02:19:27.000 That stuff reminds me of the Matrix because they're almost anticipating where it's going to be.

02:19:30.000 You have to because they're starting to lunge before it's even gone over the net.

02:19:34.000 Yeah, you have to see some physical language.

02:19:36.000 The way their foot turns, you have to anticipate.

02:19:39.000 And then people who fake people out like in football.

02:19:42.000 My favorite thing in football is when someone fakes somebody out and then spins around and gets away from them.

02:19:47.000 You know, it's like the escape is even more fascinating than the hits because it's like that you've got to be able to anticipate which way someone's moving.

02:19:55.000 And that's fast for people, but that ain't shit compared to cars.

02:20:00.000 When you're in a fucking car and you're flying down the highway, like you're on reptile 10.

02:20:06.000 You're in this weird frequency.

02:20:07.000 And that's why people wind up, fuck you, because they're all tense and freaked out.

02:20:11.000 You're not supposed to go that fast.

02:20:13.000 That's also why we have an issue with news.

02:20:15.000 Because you're not supposed to get all the news.

02:20:18.000 Okay?

02:20:19.000 You're supposed to get the shit that applies to your life.

02:20:21.000 You're not supposed to get everything that's happening with 7 billion people.

02:20:25.000 And it's supposed to be interactive, not just you sit in front of a screen and they tell you all this stuff and you just take it at face value versus a couple thousand years ago you're in front of a fire, you know, the campfire, and the guy who came back from the neighboring tribe tells you what's going on.

02:20:40.000 And then a discussion ensues where you kind of flesh out how credible is what this guy is saying?

02:20:44.000 How credible is this?

02:20:45.000 What does it mean for us?

02:20:46.000 And now we're seeing that re-emerge.

02:20:48.000 You know, social media, it's a conversation.

02:20:51.000 Stuff like this is a conversation.

02:20:53.000 And so it's no longer you're looking at a screen and you have to take everything Aaron Burnett is saying at face value.

02:20:58.000 You don't, you know, or any of these people, Piers Morgan, who are just shouting at the screen.

02:21:03.000 And in the year 2013, they think that still works.

02:21:06.000 And you can tell it's a broken model.

02:21:07.000 And those conversations pale in comparison to the conversations that you will see with those people on the internet.

02:21:13.000 Anybody that's a guest on Piers Morgan, if they came on your show, you would have an hour plus, two hours, whatever the fuck you would have with them.

02:21:21.000 You would have way more of an understanding of who they really are coming off of your show than you ever would in these seven-minute chunks of conversation sandwiched in between commercial breaks and buttons.

02:21:33.000 Where they're like, we'll wrap this up right quick.

02:21:33.000 Yeah.

02:21:36.000 You know, like, the first time I did your show, I was pretty squirrely because I'm used to doing, you know, like four or five minute TV or radio segments where they're like, all right, we're having you on to talk about NDAA.

02:21:47.000 Just lay it out for us.

02:21:48.000 And it's like, it's impossible to lay out the whole history and how it got to that point in four minutes.

02:21:54.000 So you're just trying to boil down a couple of good points, get it out there in a way that people will think about and hopefully Google the fucking shit on their own.

02:22:01.000 But you can't possibly dive in.

02:22:03.000 And then you get on a show like this, you're like, oh, I actually can just be myself.

02:22:06.000 You can be yourself and be yourself for a long period of time.

02:22:10.000 And I think that's what people are looking for today.

02:22:16.000 They're looking for reality.

02:22:18.000 They have access to reality in 99% of the places they look.

02:22:23.000 Where they don't get it is politics, the view of the world, laws, media.

02:22:28.000 Yeah, but everywhere else, you're looking at people really cutting people's heads off.

02:22:32.000 Look, there's the video.

02:22:33.000 Mexican drug lord cuts his girlfriend's head off. 0.67

02:22:35.000 Yep, there it is.

02:22:36.000 Guy got eaten by a hippo.

02:22:38.000 Yep, I'm watching him get eaten.

02:22:39.000 Yep, he's dead.

02:22:40.000 Oh, look at that.

02:22:41.000 That guy can't run as fast as a tiger.

02:22:42.000 What a shocker.

02:22:43.000 You know, I mean, you're getting that reality over and over and over and over again.

02:22:47.000 And it's harder and harder to take the spoon-fed bullshit when the internet provides you with reality in 99% of the instances.

02:22:55.000 Well, in the 70s, journalism was about you'd want to appear to be unbiased because that was equated with professionalism for some reason.

02:23:02.000 So we ended up being in Vietnam for far longer than we could have been because all these guys, they didn't want to insult their audience by giving them their opinions.

02:23:11.000 Like, oh, it's actually this is fucked up for us to have Americans coming back in body bags for some war that we don't need to be involved in.

02:23:17.000 They would never say that on the evening news.

02:23:18.000 Instead, they would just be very clinical about it.

02:23:21.000 But sometimes you need people who've done the research and then come out and say, this is why this is a big deal.

02:23:27.000 This is why you should be upset.

02:23:28.000 Or this is why you shouldn't care.

02:23:29.000 But they didn't do that at all at the height of network journalism.

02:23:34.000 And then until very recently, you've seen that creep into everything.

02:23:36.000 People who even work at really big blogs, you see they lose some of their voice because they're like, it's not my position to tell you what to think.

02:23:44.000 But really it is.

02:23:46.000 It's my position to tell you what I think and why I think that.

02:23:50.000 And then you can come along for the ride or you can go another direction.

02:23:53.000 But to not do that, I think is really dishonest.

02:23:55.000 And you read the New York Times, which is on your tablet, on your iPad, so it's competing with all this new stuff that's better.

02:24:01.000 And they have this weird shine of objectivity.

02:24:05.000 So they can't just tell you what they actually think.

02:24:07.000 It has to be, Mr. Obama is paying up to $100 million for his vacation.

02:24:11.000 And there's no notation like, we disagree with this.

02:24:13.000 It's just, here's what's happening.

02:24:15.000 As a figurehead, it doesn't work anymore.

02:24:17.000 As a label, as a box that you put all your stuff into.

02:24:21.000 It doesn't work anymore.

02:24:24.000 It's almost like that expression, let the market decide.

02:24:27.000 You really want to let the market decide whose opinions are valid.

02:24:31.000 And there's problems with that, too.

02:24:33.000 There's definitely like people will find people that reinforce their opinions.

02:24:36.000 Look at Glenn Beck.

02:24:37.000 That's one of the best examples of that.

02:24:38.000 Perfect example.

02:24:39.000 People always send me his shit because he does this marketing tactic where he'll say, the NSA leak, we've got our own whistleblower.

02:24:46.000 It's coming out in 24 hours.

02:24:48.000 It's like, if you have this, why don't you just come out with it right now?

02:24:50.000 You've got to make people visit your website again and again over the next 24 hours.

02:24:54.000 Absolutely.

02:24:54.000 And then he actually comes out with it.

02:24:55.000 And it's never, I don't watch enough Glenn Beck to know if this is true, so I don't want to disparage the guy.

02:25:00.000 But as far as I've seen, his big blowout things that are supposed to change the world and everything will be different never end up delivering even a tenth on that promise.

02:25:10.000 Fuck Glenn Beck and all praise David Seaman, ladies and gentlemen.

02:25:14.000 You're a bad motherfucker, dude.

02:25:15.000 I really enjoy talking to you.

02:25:16.000 We've got to do this more often, my friends.

02:25:17.000 Powerful Joe Rogan.

02:25:18.000 Powerful David Seaman.

02:25:20.000 We're making shit happen out there.

02:25:21.000 One internet viewer at a time.

02:25:23.000 Thank you, everybody, for...

02:25:28.000 When do you unveil that?

02:25:29.000 It's going to be pre-sale, hopefully later this week, if not next week.

02:25:32.000 There's the newest, latest, greatest Death Squad t-shirt, the best ever, for sure, by far.

02:25:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:38.000 As soon as I saw it, I'm like, you hit it out of the park, kid.

02:25:41.000 It's badass.

02:25:42.000 The newest Death Squad version number three by Brian Redband.

02:25:46.000 And that will be out probably at the end of this week.

02:25:48.000 We'll do a podcast tomorrow with the lovely and talented Jason Silva, who I ran into at the G4 2045 conference.

02:25:56.000 We'll have a lot of crazy shit to talk about.

02:25:58.000 That dude was on fire.

02:26:00.000 He loves technology.

02:26:03.000 So he went fucking crazy when I talked to him last.

02:26:05.000 He's awesome.

02:26:06.000 So he'll be here tomorrow, tomorrow afternoon, and then maybe we'll do something this weekend, too.

02:26:11.000 I don't know what's going on.

02:26:12.000 I'm going crazy doing this TV show.

02:26:14.000 Trying to make it happen.

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02:27:08.000 How fake did that sound?

02:27:10.000 So fake.

02:27:11.000 Oh, shit, bitches. 1.00

02:27:13.000 I can fake it when I have to.

02:27:14.000 All right.

02:27:16.000 All the love.

02:27:16.000 Thank you very much, everybody.

02:27:18.000 Thanks for all the people that came out to see me and Tommy Segura up in Winnipeg.

02:27:24.000 We had a good time, my friends, in Canada.

02:27:26.000 Canada's beautiful, man.

02:27:28.000 People are so goddamn nice up there.

02:27:29.000 All my Toronto shows sold out, so they're adding more.

02:27:33.000 Oh, Brian, right?

02:27:34.000 Good more.

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02:27:35.000 Anybody else?

02:27:36.000 Just you two?

02:27:37.000 Yep, just us.

02:27:37.000 Yeah, that place is beautiful.

02:27:40.000 Good luck trying to stay sober.

02:27:41.000 All right, you freaks.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 20, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #368 - David Seaman

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