The Joe Rogan Experience - January 06, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #436 - Stefan Molyneux

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Time is infinite, and it only exists, but for us, you need a clock and a calendar to keep track of how long it takes to do something productive in your spare time. And that something productive thing is a website called Lumosity. It s like a website gym for your brain. They have brain games that are designed by top scientists to train your mental processes. And the beautiful thing about it is that it feels like a game. It's fun, challenging, and only takes a few minutes every day. You can track your progress online and compare yourself to other people, which is a dick thing to do, but don t be like, "Hey Bob, what was your score on Lumosity? My score was better. I play it on an iPad. I m better than you." And if you don t know what that means, you re not going to want to miss this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience. This episode is brought to you by Lumosity and Squarespace. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers and enter the offer code: JOEANDTheNumber1 to receive 10% off your first purchase. And we'll pick four winners at the end of the month of January! You can't ask for much more! Cheers, Joe and the winner will be chosen on January 17th! Logo by Courtney DeKorte . Music by Ian Dorsch - The Good Mythical - The Bad Mythical Podcast Thank you for listening to this episode? Please rate and review the episode on Apple Podcasts! If you like it, please leave us a review and tag us in iTunes or Podchaser, and we'll send it to someone else who does it on Insta: so they can be featured on the next episode of That s One Word. and they can win a swag bag with swag by on the podcast. That s one word that says That's One Word, That's 1 word, That s 1 word I'm One Word That's A Good Thing That's a Good Thing . or they'll get a discount on the entire month of the podcast! by Joespace! and I'll give it to you a review of the episode that's 1 Badass Thing that's a Badass Goodness, right?

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00:00:01.000 Hey! 0.99
00:00:02.000 What's up, everybody?
00:00:03.000 This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Lumosity.com.
00:00:08.000 This is the time of the year where we're all looking for ways to build good habits, ladies and gentlemen.
00:00:12.000 It's New Year's.
00:00:14.000 It's not really New Year's. 1.00
00:00:15.000 It's bullshit. 1.00
00:00:16.000 Time doesn't give a fuck about you. 1.00
00:00:17.000 How about that? 0.98
00:00:17.000 How about time doesn't care about the universe, doesn't care about solar systems living and dying? 0.98
00:00:23.000 Time is infinite, and it only exists...
00:00:25.000 But for us, you need a clock and a calendar. 1.00
00:00:28.000 So get your shit together, you lazy bitch. 1.00
00:00:30.000 Stop using the fact that time isn't real as an excuse. 1.00
00:00:32.000 And go to Lumosity.com.
00:00:35.000 Lumosity is essentially, it's like a website gym for your brain.
00:00:41.000 They have brain games that are designed by top scientists to train mental processes.
00:00:45.000 I say that because there's a Canadian guest on my podcast.
00:00:48.000 They like to say processes.
00:00:50.000 Processes.
00:00:51.000 The Americans will say processes. 0.84
00:00:53.000 Best part is they're fun, challenging, and they only take a few minutes every day.
00:00:57.000 One time you can track your progress online and compare yourself to other people. 0.57
00:01:06.000 Which is a dick thing to do.
00:01:08.000 You know, really just worry about yourself. 0.61
00:01:10.000 I mean, maybe be inspired by other people, but don't be like, Hey Bob, what was your score on Lumosity?
00:01:17.000 Mine was better.
00:01:19.000 I play it.
00:01:20.000 You can play it on an iPad.
00:01:21.000 It's pretty cool.
00:01:22.000 Just sitting around.
00:01:22.000 You can design these games based on the things that you're looking to acquire.
00:01:28.000 Whether you're looking to acquire a better memory, or you're looking to acquire...
00:01:34.000 If you go to the website itself, there's a bunch of different options like memory.
00:01:38.000 You can put recalling the location of objects, remembering names after the first introduction, learning new subjects quickly and accurately.
00:01:45.000 And the beautiful thing about it is it feels like a game.
00:01:47.000 It's just something fun that you can do that is actually good for your brain.
00:01:52.000 Go to lumosity.com slash joe.
00:01:54.000 That's lumosity.com slash joe.
00:01:58.000 And go check it out, you freaks.
00:02:00.000 It's an awesome way to do something productive that's actually fun in your spare time.
00:02:05.000 And it's healthy for your brain.
00:02:07.000 I firmly believe in it.
00:02:08.000 I use them.
00:02:09.000 I think that playing chess, playing games, doing things that makes your brain think steps ahead, it uses your brain the same way we use our muscles.
00:02:19.000 The same way we use our cardiovascular system, we exercise and we get stronger because of it.
00:02:26.000 I think the same works with your mind. 1.00
00:02:27.000 So, read a book, bitch. 1.00
00:02:29.000 Alright? 1.00
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00:05:20.000 There's a lot of science out there that's been done into the science of athletic supplementation.
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00:06:28.000 Which seems to me maybe you should just take the 5-HTP, you know what I'm saying? 0.95
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00:06:57.000 Stefan Molyneux is here.
00:06:58.000 Let's not waste any more time.
00:07:00.000 And cue the music, young Jamie.
00:07:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast.
00:07:03.000 Check it out.
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00:07:09.000 All day.
00:07:13.000 We're good to go.
00:07:16.000 We're good to go.
00:07:39.000 But there's a lot of things that I read online and I say, hmm, I wonder how Stephan would deal with this.
00:07:45.000 I wonder what your take on this is.
00:07:47.000 Because you've got some very strong opinions on where taxes should go and what money should be spent on that benefits the community.
00:07:55.000 And I agree with a lot of them.
00:07:56.000 I think they're very fascinating.
00:07:57.000 The France thing.
00:07:58.000 Have you seen this France thing where they're jacking up the tax to 75%?
00:08:04.000 Yeah, I mean, talk about killing the goose that lays the golden egg, you know?
00:08:07.000 And it's sad because everybody seriously thinks that it's going to be somebody else who's taxed.
00:08:13.000 And they keep creeping it down.
00:08:15.000 It's like, let's go get those rich people and tax them.
00:08:17.000 And then it's like, you get a mirror.
00:08:18.000 And it's like, what, me?
00:08:19.000 No, no, no, the rich people.
00:08:21.000 But now it's getting to the point, like, they could tax all of the rich people in America and it would pay the government for like three days.
00:08:27.000 I mean, it's all complete nonsense.
00:08:29.000 It's just a way of setting us against each other.
00:08:31.000 So we miss the whole reality of what's going on.
00:08:33.000 It's a piss-poor management solution, too.
00:08:36.000 It's a terrible idea to take the people that are earning the most and take a massively disproportionate amount of money from them.
00:08:42.000 And so, you know, they're talking about, like, pro athletes and clubs, soccer clubs and corporations and, you know, the very highest of the high. 0.99
00:08:50.000 But still, 75% is fucking ridiculous. 0.98
00:08:54.000 No one deserves to give you 75% of what they've earned. 0.99
00:08:58.000 Maybe a little bit more.
00:08:59.000 I agree that as a person who's made a good amount of money in my life, I agree that I should pay a lot of taxes.
00:09:06.000 I don't mind paying a lot of taxes.
00:09:08.000 I don't mind.
00:09:09.000 But I'm not going to give you more than half. 0.99
00:09:11.000 That's fucking ridiculous! 0.99
00:09:13.000 You can't get more than half. 1.00
00:09:15.000 You're not doing it right.
00:09:16.000 You're not spending the money right. 0.96
00:09:18.000 You can get more than half when you give me a fucking complete analysis of every penny, where it went, what it benefited. 0.95
00:09:25.000 Or we're actually living in paradise. 0.99
00:09:27.000 You know, like if we're floating on clouds and we shit rainbows and all that. 0.90
00:09:32.000 Then you can get all my tax money.
00:09:33.000 And when there's no poverty and the children are all living peacefully and the schools are gorgeous and glowing temples of knowledge, then maybe.
00:09:41.000 But at the moment, you know, it's like, oh, sorry, do you need more money for this war in Iraq?
00:09:44.000 I have a slight problem with that.
00:09:47.000 Yeah, I'm all out of money for you, dude.
00:09:48.000 Same way the guy with the sign, the homeless sign in the corner that, like, Smile, and he flips it over like it's bent.
00:09:55.000 Could you spare a dollar?
00:09:57.000 And then he flips it over.
00:09:58.000 You've got this crafty sign.
00:09:59.000 Use that mind that made that crafty sign. 1.00
00:10:02.000 Go get a fucking job, you crazy fuck. 1.00
00:10:04.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00
00:10:05.000 If it's possible for you to get a job, and if it's not possible for you to get a job, we as a society should take those people off the street and put them in mental institutions and give them help.
00:10:13.000 Well, okay, okay, so...
00:10:15.000 If...
00:10:15.000 Go ahead, drag me into the topic if you dare, but...
00:10:18.000 I dare.
00:10:18.000 There is this interesting thing around poverty, right?
00:10:21.000 Because poverty, a lot of times people really feel like, oh, you know, they just had some bad luck.
00:10:26.000 It's a real shame, you know?
00:10:28.000 Things didn't go quite the right way.
00:10:30.000 But do you know statistically that the majority of people, like if you take the average of how much people work in a household below the poverty line...
00:10:38.000 You've got two people in a household below the poverty line.
00:10:40.000 On average, they work 16 hours a week between the two of them.
00:10:45.000 Whoa.
00:10:45.000 Now that is, to some degree, poverty by choice.
00:10:49.000 And I don't mind, hey, wouldn't it be great to only work 16 hours a week, especially if your options are jobs that are kind of crappy, which we all generally start with those jobs that are crappy.
00:10:57.000 But to me, that's...
00:10:58.000 And that doesn't change whether the economy is good or bad.
00:11:01.000 So it's not like whether they'd like to work more or they can't find the work.
00:11:04.000 So that's just one of those uncomfortable truths.
00:11:06.000 A lot of poverty is voluntary.
00:11:08.000 And it's nice to be poor because it's a whole lot less work.
00:11:11.000 And people get all the benefits out of not working, which are considerable.
00:11:15.000 I mean, I guess daytime TV is good for a lot of people and...
00:11:20.000 So – but then what happens is then they need money for something.
00:11:22.000 They get sick and suddenly poverty becomes this huge problem.
00:11:25.000 But a lot of poverty – it's like monks.
00:11:27.000 Monks are poor but they don't need charity because they're kind of choosing that lifestyle. 0.77
00:11:31.000 And it's not true of all the poor but on average, a lot of people who are poor just – they don't particularly like to work.
00:11:36.000 And again, I don't mind that but accept the consequences of that.
00:11:39.000 Well, don't you think that it's really difficult to break out of a cycle? 0.68
00:11:43.000 That's the real issue that I've always had with people shitting on people who are poor or people who live in poor neighborhoods for not getting out. 0.56
00:11:49.000 It's very difficult to break a cycle.
00:11:51.000 And if you're born into a cycle of poverty and of neglect and of laziness and a lack of ambition, it's very hard to break out of that cycle.
00:12:02.000 Also, you're dealing with a really down economy where it's difficult to get a job that pays good money.
00:12:06.000 They're all taken.
00:12:07.000 There's more people looking for jobs than there are jobs.
00:12:10.000 And it's a real issue for a lot of people that, you know, don't really have an education or don't have a particular set of skills.
00:12:16.000 Or even if you do, like I did a call-in show while I was here in California and a guy called in and he said, you know, I just graduated as a pharmacist.
00:12:23.000 I think?
00:12:37.000 On the night shift.
00:12:39.000 And that's a pharmacist.
00:12:40.000 Lawyers can't find work in America.
00:12:43.000 So even professionals are having a huge amount of problems.
00:12:46.000 Absolutely.
00:12:47.000 It's terrible.
00:12:48.000 But it's one of these things I worry about the degree to which when we tell people stuff is really hard, does it become a self-fulfilling prophecy?
00:12:55.000 If you keep telling kids growing up in poor neighborhoods, and I was a kid who grew up in a poor neighborhood, so I have some sympathy with this.
00:13:01.000 But It's, you know, if you keep telling people, well, you know, it's really, really tough.
00:13:06.000 It's really hard to get out.
00:13:07.000 I wonder if probably, oh, well, you know, it's really tough.
00:13:09.000 So, you know, whatever it is, right?
00:13:10.000 I don't think there's an either or, but I think there's definitely a bit of that.
00:13:13.000 But, you know, you kind of disproved it with your example of a pharmacist who's looking for 10 months for a job in a very lucrative industry.
00:13:20.000 Yeah.
00:13:20.000 So that sort of disproves it a little bit.
00:13:22.000 I think you and I are very fortunate in that we can make our money independently.
00:13:26.000 We can make a living by doing things on the internet, providing content, and for me, doing comedy shows and UFC stuff.
00:13:34.000 I don't have to be in the regular job market.
00:13:37.000 I'm very fortunate because of that, but for a lot of people.
00:13:39.000 Have you ever been in the regular job market?
00:13:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:13:41.000 I drove limos.
00:13:42.000 I did construction.
00:13:43.000 I did a lot of things while I was a struggling comedian.
00:13:45.000 Right, right, okay.
00:13:45.000 I decided I wanted to be a stand-up comic at 21, and I sort of abandoned everything else I was doing.
00:13:50.000 I did a lot of shitty jobs for a couple of years.
00:13:54.000 But before that, I taught martial arts, so I've always had a weird life.
00:13:59.000 I just knew somehow or another...
00:14:04.000 It probably could have been very different if my life was very different, but my life wasn't very happy, you know, with my parents being divorced and moving across the country and always being forced, moved around a lot and always making new friends.
00:14:15.000 I didn't enjoy school.
00:14:16.000 I didn't enjoy the experience of going.
00:14:17.000 I didn't have a desire to learn.
00:14:19.000 And I knew that whatever I was going to do, it's going to have to be something completely outside of the system.
00:14:25.000 There was no options for me.
00:14:26.000 Like, the idea of going to...
00:14:28.000 Like, some people say, well, you know, I really wanted to be a stand-up comic, but, you know, I'm gonna do it after I pass the bar.
00:14:34.000 For me, there was none of that.
00:14:35.000 There was none of that.
00:14:36.000 It was like, this is a job that I actually could do.
00:14:38.000 Just go try to do that.
00:14:39.000 Because a job, like, be a lawyer, be, you know, fill in the blank.
00:14:43.000 Insurance...
00:14:45.000 I can't do it.
00:14:46.000 I can't do it.
00:14:47.000 I'll go crazy.
00:14:48.000 Well, screw Plan B. You know, Plan B, everyone says Plan B, but Plan B is always going to end up going by the wayside.
00:14:55.000 Because everything you do in life, you strengthen that muscle, you weaken your other muscles.
00:14:58.000 So, you know, I'm a big fan of if you're going to do it, you know, do it hard, do it full on tilt boogie, you know, 150%.
00:15:05.000 And then if you fail, at least you won't say, well, I could have done more.
00:15:08.000 You know, but just go full.
00:15:10.000 And then you can always pick up the pieces, start something else later.
00:15:12.000 But plan B is usually a real disaster.
00:15:15.000 Like, okay, you can go be an actor, but the important thing is also you've got to have a...
00:15:17.000 Have a safety net.
00:15:19.000 Yeah, a safety net is a noose.
00:15:20.000 A safety net is a noose.
00:15:21.000 I completely agree with you, and we're going to get attacked for this by people who are unhappy with their choices in life.
00:15:28.000 And that's a fact.
00:15:29.000 You know, there's a bunch of people that will say, yeah, well, I have a family, so, you know, it's a great idea for you to just go out there and go crazy.
00:15:36.000 I have people to support...
00:15:38.000 You need to listen.
00:15:39.000 Stop saying that.
00:15:40.000 Stop saying any of those things. 0.84
00:15:41.000 Every single person who has ever done anything worthwhile or exceptional or difficult or extraordinary, anyone, whether it's great artists or authors or mathematicians or whatever the fuck it is,
00:15:59.000 everyone encounters difficulties.
00:16:01.000 There is no easy road.
00:16:03.000 It does not exist.
00:16:05.000 It is impossible.
00:16:07.000 Everyone has issues.
00:16:08.000 If you have time to pursue a hobby, if you have time to do anything in your life, you can better yourself.
00:16:15.000 And here's one way you never better yourself.
00:16:17.000 When you come up with excuses for why other people are successful and you're not. 1.00
00:16:21.000 That shit is fucking dangerous. 1.00
00:16:23.000 When you give yourself an escape. 1.00
00:16:25.000 Yeah, well that's easy for you to say.
00:16:27.000 Trust me.
00:16:30.000 Everybody has a hard road.
00:16:32.000 I wanted to jump out a window several times during my young life. 0.99
00:16:36.000 I wanted to Jump in front of a fucking train just ended because it's too much pressure. 0.99
00:16:40.000 Not really. 0.99
00:16:41.000 But you know what I'm saying.
00:16:42.000 Theoretically.
00:16:43.000 We all go through hard times.
00:16:45.000 We all go through depression. 0.99
00:16:46.000 We all go through doubt and moments in your life where it's really fucking difficult and you're trying to figure out what the fuck your path is going to be. 1.00
00:16:55.000 It's hard as shit. 0.99
00:16:56.000 But Stefan and I were talking about this before the podcast starts that that is what makes you a person. 0.98
00:17:02.000 And those difficult moments are what build your character.
00:17:05.000 Show me a great man who's the son of a great man.
00:17:09.000 You know, that's what we're saying. 1.00
00:17:10.000 These kids that are born billionaires, you're fucked! 1.00
00:17:14.000 You're fucked. 1.00
00:17:15.000 You're never going to be a self-made person. 1.00
00:17:17.000 You have a backup trust for your backup trust for your trust. 1.00
00:17:21.000 And you're fucked, man. 1.00
00:17:23.000 I met a guy like this. 1.00
00:17:25.000 His parents own this gigantic chain of high-end stores.
00:17:29.000 And they're unbelievably wealthy.
00:17:31.000 Like, Billionaire Beach in Malibu is this massive community of, you know, 15, 20, 30 million dollar homes.
00:17:38.000 They bought the next door neighbor's homes on both sides and overpaid for them because they didn't want anybody staying next to them.
00:17:46.000 They just bought the homes.
00:17:47.000 Like $30 million, $25 million.
00:17:50.000 They literally own like a hundred houses.
00:17:53.000 They own homes everywhere.
00:17:54.000 I'm talking estates.
00:17:56.000 In Denver, in the mountains, and in Wyoming, at some great ranch. 0.99
00:18:00.000 They just have fucking... 1.00
00:18:01.000 And the guy is a mess. 1.00
00:18:03.000 You could just slap him in the face. 1.00
00:18:05.000 You could just take his pants off. 1.00
00:18:06.000 He would just panic.
00:18:07.000 He has no confidence.
00:18:09.000 He's literally not a person.
00:18:12.000 He's like a cat.
00:18:14.000 He's like a cat that you have to feed or a dog.
00:18:16.000 He's a sad, sad person.
00:18:19.000 Resistance breeds strength.
00:18:20.000 It does.
00:18:20.000 In muscles, in character, in mind.
00:18:23.000 And our muscles hate to exercise.
00:18:24.000 That's why Lumosity.com is an excellent sponsor.
00:18:28.000 See?
00:18:28.000 Yeah, no, but it is...
00:18:31.000 That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
00:18:33.000 Sort of.
00:18:35.000 Poisoning is really not good at making us stronger.
00:18:37.000 Sort of metaphorically, if we can stay out of the pure biochemistry.
00:18:40.000 But that which is hard for you is what – and all the stuff we hate at the time is the stuff that we love later.
00:18:46.000 You go like, wow, that really did give me an appreciation for this or whatever.
00:18:50.000 And the trustafarians, you know, like the kids whose parents are really rich, it is a huge problem among rich parents. 1.00
00:18:55.000 How do you raise your kids?
00:18:57.000 Because when you're poor or even middle class, your kid says, I want X. And you say, what do you say?
00:19:02.000 We can't afford it.
00:19:03.000 Well, but, you know, if your kid's looking around and seeing, like, gold...
00:19:17.000 I think?
00:19:23.000 It's very hard.
00:19:24.000 And it's also very hard when a child grows up with no doubt.
00:19:27.000 If you have no doubt as to what your future is going to be, you don't have ambition.
00:19:32.000 A lot of ambition comes from fear.
00:19:34.000 And as a comic, some of my best sets ever in stand-up have come after I bombed Like, I bombed.
00:19:43.000 Yeah, like if this keeps going, I've got no career, so I better...
00:19:46.000 Yeah, well, also, it's a terrible feeling.
00:19:48.000 You don't want that feeling to reoccur.
00:19:51.000 So you have these bad sets, and then you just get really super motivated to work on everything that's wrong or recognize what went wrong that night and never let it happen again.
00:20:00.000 And one of the worst traits that a comedian could ever have is to be easily satisfied with yourself.
00:20:06.000 It's one of the worst.
00:20:07.000 If you think you're better than you are or you're really satisfied with everything, hey, it's perfect.
00:20:11.000 No need to work on it.
00:20:13.000 That's poison. 0.98
00:20:14.000 That's a terrible, terrible, terrible mindset for a stand-up comedian for that very same reason.
00:20:19.000 It has to be a struggle!
00:20:21.000 But we're always this way, aren't we?
00:20:22.000 We're always dissatisfied with something.
00:20:24.000 We achieve satiety and then we're immediately dissatisfied again.
00:20:27.000 And I, you know, there's a lot of people who will promise you peace of mind and Zen and this and that.
00:20:31.000 I actually think that's completely an illusion.
00:20:34.000 And I think it actually contributes to more dissatisfaction.
00:20:37.000 Dissatisfaction is the nature of the beast.
00:20:38.000 It's why we're doing this and not going ooga booga booga in some caves.
00:20:41.000 Because we were dissatisfied with the caves.
00:20:43.000 So we built some huts.
00:20:44.000 We were dissatisfied with the huts.
00:20:45.000 We built some condos.
00:20:46.000 We're always dissatisfied and...
00:20:48.000 Therefore, we will continue to want to improve things.
00:20:50.000 That's how things get better.
00:20:51.000 At the moment we're satisfied with something, we immediately set a new challenge and remain unsatisfied in the achievement of that.
00:20:57.000 And people who try to end that process, I think, are just trying to end being alive fundamentally.
00:21:01.000 Mr. Molyneux, you're talking too much sense here, sir.
00:21:04.000 You're confusing people at home.
00:21:06.000 I wish we could just to reprogram people's minds back to consumerism.
00:21:11.000 You're 100% right.
00:21:13.000 I think everyone looks forward to this utopian time where whatever motivates them, drives them, freaks them out right now can be set aside, the work is done, and you can just sort of like watch the sunset over the pond.
00:21:27.000 And the problem is this utopian vision of the future that we have is probably a carrot that's on a stick that we'll just never reach.
00:21:36.000 And we keep working hard to improve our society and our life and ourselves and our families and our relationships, hoping that one day we'll achieve this ultimate peace that will never come.
00:21:45.000 No, and this is how people get exploited.
00:21:48.000 If they can dangle that carrot, right, and they can say, well, you see, in the communist utopia, you won't need to work.
00:21:54.000 And in the communist utopia or the fascist utopia or, you know, the Peter Joseph's robot mommy cities, you won't have to work and everything will be fine.
00:22:02.000 Or, in the religious view, you'll get to go to heaven or you'll achieve transcendental bliss or, you know, enough yoga, your butt will be firm and your soul will be at peace.
00:22:10.000 They will get you to give up freedoms and money and so on in hopes of buying a peace of mind that is fundamentally anti-human in the long run.
00:22:17.000 The restlessness of our species is the diamond that we get crushed into.
00:22:22.000 For the existence that we currently provide for ourselves in, yes, I agree 100%.
00:22:27.000 I think the whole idea about all this is engineering a utopia.
00:22:32.000 Like Peter Joseph, who I think is a very smart guy.
00:22:35.000 And I like him.
00:22:36.000 I had him on the podcast.
00:22:37.000 I enjoy communicating with him.
00:22:38.000 I think he's very bright.
00:22:39.000 But what I think is hilarious is that he makes his money as a stockbroker. 0.99
00:22:46.000 I mean, he's talking about this utopian world, and he's drawing the very blood that keeps him alive from a vampire system, from this crazy fucking vampire system. 0.99
00:22:56.000 No, no, no, but he's a vampire on the inside. 0.99
00:22:59.000 He's working the inside system, so...
00:23:03.000 He's an inside vampire.
00:23:04.000 You guys had some serious debates, didn't you?
00:23:06.000 I didn't listen to them.
00:23:07.000 We've had a couple of flybys, like I did some reviews of the Zeitgeist movies, and then we actually had a debate.
00:23:14.000 Fairly cordial, definitely butted heads, which is natural.
00:23:17.000 This is kind of what you want.
00:23:19.000 Sure.
00:23:19.000 And then, yeah, he did go a little bit, I thought, ballistic in some of the post-debate, let's say, analysis.
00:23:25.000 Where I think he veered off a little bit into ad hominems.
00:23:28.000 But, you know, my basic point is I don't – as long as people do two things, you know, do two things and, you know, we're friends till the end, right?
00:23:36.000 Respect self-ownership and, you know, property rights and do not initiate force.
00:23:40.000 And so, look, if these cities built by Jacques Fresco and his merry band of elven robots, if this is human paradise on Earth, I say go for it. 0.98
00:23:49.000 Have fun.
00:23:49.000 Just don't force people to participate and let people leave as they want.
00:23:52.000 That's the only thing that matters.
00:23:54.000 Everything has to be voluntary.
00:23:55.000 You cannot violate the non-aggression principle.
00:23:58.000 Everything outside of that is, you know, well, what color drapes do you want?
00:24:01.000 I don't care.
00:24:02.000 Just don't steal them.
00:24:03.000 The ad hominems are very disappointing, aren't they?
00:24:05.000 Especially when it's just...
00:24:06.000 You could easily have just disagreed and been fine with that and debated your points.
00:24:12.000 Look, you and I probably don't agree on everything.
00:24:14.000 There's probably quite a few things that will come up that we have different points of view on.
00:24:19.000 And that's because we're different human beings.
00:24:21.000 And it's also because there's not a black and white with these ideas of...
00:24:25.000 Engineering society, there's not a black and white.
00:24:29.000 Look, if it was very easy and straightforward, it would have been done already.
00:24:33.000 It's not.
00:24:34.000 It's complicated.
00:24:35.000 There's a lot to being a person.
00:24:37.000 There's a lot to being a person that contributes to society.
00:24:40.000 There's a lot to what about society is feeding itself and just feeding more society?
00:24:45.000 What about corporations are just feeding corporations?
00:24:48.000 And what about them is benefiting humanity.
00:24:50.000 And if you can sway it towards benefiting humanity, it's always the best choice. 0.89
00:24:55.000 But the idea of engineering it in one foolproof way that makes everyone happy, that's silly.
00:25:01.000 The people that want to remove capitalism as a whole, like, I've met people that have jobs that tell me that people with money are a problem.
00:25:08.000 And I'll go, well, they can be, but you know how much money Bill Gates gives to charities?
00:25:13.000 Do you know how much charity work that guy does?
00:25:16.000 How much money he donates to causes that he feels are excellent?
00:25:20.000 Millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars is a great benefit from having that guy being wealthy.
00:25:26.000 Some people who are rich do a good job with it.
00:25:29.000 Some people.
00:25:30.000 But you work too.
00:25:31.000 Everybody works.
00:25:32.000 Like the person telling me that money's a problem, like, don't you have a job?
00:25:34.000 What do you get paid for your job?
00:25:35.000 They give you free coconuts?
00:25:37.000 What do they do?
00:25:37.000 They give you a use of a shower and a place to sleep at night?
00:25:40.000 No, they give you fucking money, man. 1.00
00:25:42.000 They give you money. 1.00
00:25:43.000 You're a capitalist.
00:25:44.000 You're just not as good a capitalist as that guy is. 0.99
00:25:47.000 It doesn't mean that the system is completely fucked. 0.99
00:25:50.000 It doesn't mean that the idea of the system is completely fucked. 1.00
00:25:52.000 It means it can be fucked. 1.00
00:25:54.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:25:54.000 But it also can be. 1.00
00:25:56.000 It's the choice of the people that control it. 0.98
00:25:58.000 If all the world bankers got together today and did acid, and they realized, oh my god, guys, we are fucking up. 0.96
00:26:04.000 We're creating all this drama. 0.99
00:26:06.000 We're going to die anyway.
00:26:07.000 Listen, if we just pooled our money together into these massive charities to re-engineer societies and put money into poor communities and stop causing war and stop extracting natural resources out of these places for massive profit and massive loss of human life,
00:26:24.000 I think we're good to go. 0.96
00:26:39.000 Which is why Democrats believe that welfare programs are needed, because they're fundamentally stingy bastards who don't give anything else. 0.99
00:26:45.000 How rude. 0.98
00:26:46.000 Everybody needs to be forced to do it.
00:26:47.000 Are they poor?
00:26:48.000 Is it that they have less money?
00:26:50.000 Is it per capita?
00:26:51.000 Like if you look at Democrats per capita versus Republicans per capita?
00:26:56.000 I don't know about that, but I do know that the Democrat donations tend to be far larger to the Democrat Party.
00:27:01.000 I mean, Democrats get their money from celebrities.
00:27:04.000 They have these $5 billion plate dinners, whatever, for Barack Obama.
00:27:09.000 Whereas the average donation to the Republican Party is like 20 bucks.
00:27:13.000 But the Democrats get their money from unions.
00:27:17.000 And I'd like to talk a little bit about unions and mixed martial arts.
00:27:20.000 We'll get back to the video.
00:27:21.000 Sure.
00:27:21.000 I think that's a really interesting topic.
00:27:22.000 It's a fascinating topic.
00:27:24.000 So, yeah, Democrats get their money from forced union dues and from celebrities and from the entertainment business and so on.
00:27:34.000 I think we're good to go.
00:27:59.000 You know, if you look at India and China just over the last 20 years, it has been the biggest poverty reduction in the history of the known universe.
00:28:08.000 I mean, it really can't be overemphasized.
00:28:09.000 Literally hundreds of millions of people have come out of poverty.
00:28:12.000 In India, it's 50,000 families a month are getting into the middle class out of poverty because they just got rid of socialist policies and let people actually trade and make money and start their businesses.
00:28:22.000 They cut the red tape and all the licensing requirements and so on. 0.76
00:28:26.000 And of course, in China, they were less totalitarian communist assholes and actually became some reasonable free trade guys. 0.73
00:28:32.000 And out of that process, the more people that come out of poverty in the 20 years that they've stopped interfering with people's trading abilities I think? 0.87
00:28:59.000 What is it in California?
00:29:00.000 Do you need like 27 permits to open a lemonade stand or something like that?
00:29:03.000 I mean, if you stop doing that kind of stuff or you don't need 300 hours to become a hair braider on a beach of training to get a license, just let people do their own thing and let the customer be the decider about what's valuable, what's safe, what's right, what's wrong.
00:29:17.000 Then I think you do a lot more for poverty in many ways.
00:29:19.000 There are some people who need charity, but I think most times people just need people out of the way so that they can go and create their own opportunities.
00:29:26.000 I think that's true for the most part in a lot of ways, but I think that it's hard to undermine what Bill Gates has done for people that can't afford things.
00:29:34.000 You know, what he's done as far as providing funds for education and a lot of the charitable work they've done.
00:29:40.000 I don't know if that would all have gotten done if he stayed on at Microsoft and made it bigger and better.
00:29:47.000 No, that wouldn't have.
00:29:47.000 But other things would have.
00:29:49.000 Like Microsoft would have grown, would have added shareholder value to people who then would have donated some of that to charity.
00:29:54.000 He would have created more jobs.
00:29:55.000 He also would have opened up more overseas offices in Africa and so on, which would have hired people.
00:30:00.000 And so that would have been more sustaining.
00:30:02.000 And again, it's not to say there's no place for charity at all.
00:30:04.000 But the...
00:30:05.000 I think?
00:30:26.000 I don't know.
00:30:29.000 I don't know.
00:30:45.000 You know, he'll vote for you forever, teach a man to fish, and he'll become a Republican.
00:30:48.000 I don't know exactly how that goes.
00:30:49.000 Aaron Ross Powell Aren't they teaching people in that sense, though?
00:30:51.000 They're providing a possibility for education that maybe wouldn't have existed for a lot of poor people.
00:30:57.000 So in that sense, they are teaching people out of fish.
00:30:59.000 Aaron Ross Powell Well, but education is important, but education when you don't have a lot of economic opportunities.
00:31:04.000 Like if you look at Africa, Africa is one of the few places where in the 20th century, like over the last 50 years, it's declined in net standard of living.
00:31:13.000 I mean, it's wretched.
00:31:14.000 I mean, South Africa is now like the rape capital of the world, which you won't see on a lot of brochures. 0.95
00:31:19.000 Yeah.
00:31:20.000 Oh, it's just unbelievable, the crime rates and so on.
00:31:22.000 Like, if you rent a car in South Africa, they actually have a fire that comes out the side to deter carjackers.
00:31:29.000 You can push a button and have like little jets of flame to come out to push carjackers back.
00:31:33.000 And the amount of charity that's been applied in Africa is absolutely huge but generally it goes government to government, right?
00:31:39.000 So you give a bunch of money to a bunch of corrupt South African dictators and then you sell them a whole bunch of arms and then you wonder why there's not a lot of freedom for the general population.
00:31:48.000 I think if you can scale back that – I mean Africans would do fine as well as everyone else if they had the same economic opportunities.
00:31:54.000 Give people a bunch of education.
00:31:56.000 And you still have a very corrupt and fascistic style of government.
00:32:00.000 I'm not sure what they can really do with that education other than join the civil service, which seems to happen quite a bit.
00:32:04.000 So I'm a big one for like scale-back interference in the market.
00:32:07.000 People will create their own opportunities, you know, the laissez-faire, let them alone, let them trade, let them build their own wealth and all that kind of stuff.
00:32:15.000 That really is inhibited.
00:32:17.000 Charity will help people stuck in the sort of hardening amber of fascist monstrous governments.
00:32:23.000 And that's needed for the people who are stuck there.
00:32:25.000 But I think the long term solution has to be to try and find a way to trade.
00:32:28.000 Like, let me give you one other hopefully not too boring example, which is subsidies for agriculture.
00:32:34.000 Ah, wretched for the third world. 1.00
00:32:36.000 Unbelievably disruptive for the third world. 1.00
00:32:38.000 Because, you know, you give all these subsidies to farmers, and the farmers then grow too much crap. 0.95
00:32:42.000 And then what do they do? 0.97
00:32:43.000 They dump it in the third world.
00:32:45.000 Which destroys the market for local farmers.
00:32:47.000 And you give all this food to the government.
00:32:49.000 The government then hands it out to people they like and don't hand it out to people they don't like, thus reinforcing their power.
00:32:54.000 And then there's no local farming left.
00:32:56.000 So just one of these kinds of examples.
00:32:58.000 If we stop screwing up their economies by selling arms, by dumping food on their markets and all that, and even the foreign aid happens with that too, I think they do fine.
00:33:08.000 But it's a lot easier to throw money at a problem than to actually try and deal with these immensely corrupt governments.
00:33:14.000 That's a really unknown but creepy aspect of the United States agriculture system, is this subsidies, which causes people to grow food that they're not even going to use, causes people to profit from corn and to put a lot of effort and emphasis into things that they know that they're going to get subsidies from.
00:33:35.000 It's a real strange sort of power circle that goes on.
00:33:39.000 What it does to people's health is wretched.
00:33:41.000 There's this tiny sugar industry in the United States, very concentrated economic force.
00:33:45.000 They get millions and millions and millions of dollars in subsidies, and they've been trying to cut this for years, but everybody lobby and focus their efforts, right?
00:33:53.000 And so what happened is when the tariffs, the taxes on imports of sugar went way up in the 70s, what do people not do?
00:34:01.000 And they said, wow, sugar in America is really expensive.
00:34:03.000 What are we going to switch to?
00:34:04.000 High fructose corn syrup.
00:34:06.000 I'm no nutritionist, but there seem to be quite a lot of people out there who think that high fructose corn syrup has a lot to do with the growing weight problem in the United States, along with, of course, the fact that you've got dairy farmers and wheat farmers and so on lobbying the government to create these horrible food pyramids where they say,
00:34:24.000 well, low fat is really important.
00:34:26.000 And then what do they do?
00:34:27.000 Because if you take fat out of stuff and sugar out of stuff, it takes like cardboard.
00:34:30.000 They take the fat out of the stuff that's in the grocery store and they put sugar or high fructose corn syrup in instead.
00:34:35.000 And then people are like, well, I guess this does taste good.
00:34:37.000 At breakfast this morning, I picked up a yogurt.
00:34:39.000 It says low-fat.
00:34:40.000 And what's the second ingredient?
00:34:42.000 It's high-fructose corn syrup.
00:34:43.000 It's like, that is not going to be good.
00:34:45.000 Give me the fat. 0.91
00:34:47.000 I'll shove a whole stick of butter up my nose rather than put that stuff into my system.
00:34:51.000 Some fat is actually important.
00:34:52.000 Yeah, you need it for your brain.
00:34:54.000 You need it for lots of good stuff.
00:34:56.000 Essential fatty acids.
00:34:57.000 They're very important for your life.
00:34:58.000 Where are you going to store your LSD? Exactly.
00:35:01.000 If you don't have the fat, then in a business meeting, how a tentacle is going to come out of people's eyeballs 20 years from now.
00:35:07.000 That's what I'm talking about.
00:35:08.000 You need a suitcase for that stuff.
00:35:09.000 I think that's a fat myth.
00:35:11.000 I don't know.
00:35:12.000 People are just looking for an excuse to get out of work saying they saw an octopus.
00:35:16.000 That's right.
00:35:16.000 I'm having a flashback, man.
00:35:18.000 That's why I was so creative the last quarter.
00:35:20.000 When you start talking about economics and you start talking about giving businesses more freedom, people get real nervous because people think of businesses as being these monsters, that they get power and then they just start trampling and stealing things.
00:35:35.000 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you growing over there?
00:35:37.000 What are you growing?
00:35:37.000 I'm growing a robot monster that's going to eat the world.
00:35:40.000 Oh, come on, man.
00:35:41.000 You've got to jump through government hoops and loops.
00:35:43.000 When have you ever seen a futuristic science fiction movie with a negative portrayal of a corporation?
00:35:49.000 Come on.
00:35:50.000 Never.
00:35:50.000 They're always so benevolent, so wonderful.
00:35:52.000 Has there ever been an awesome corporation?
00:35:54.000 Maybe big?
00:35:56.000 Corporations, okay.
00:35:57.000 Oh, God, I'm going to bore your listeners with Econ 101. Okay, corporations are state-created, horrible, semi-fascistic monsters. 0.98
00:36:04.000 They do not exist in the free market.
00:36:06.000 Corporation has nothing to do with the free market.
00:36:08.000 We may start a business together and all that in the free market.
00:36:11.000 It's like, okay, you started a business.
00:36:12.000 You don't get this legal shield.
00:36:14.000 You don't get to take profits out of the corporation when it makes money.
00:36:17.000 And then if it loses money, you don't ever have to put anything back.
00:36:20.000 You don't have this thing where if the corporation or if you do something illegal, the corporation can get sued or can get fined and so on.
00:36:27.000 It's a shield that is created to protect the people in charge of the corporations because they give a lot of money.
00:36:41.000 Thank you.
00:36:43.000 Thank you.
00:36:44.000 Thank you.
00:36:52.000 Corporations did not exist until quite recently.
00:36:55.000 In the past, if you were the head of a trading company and your trading company lost money, you could lose your house.
00:37:03.000 People could come after your personal assets.
00:37:05.000 These guys were really careful.
00:37:16.000 I mean, it's a wretched, unfair system that has nothing to do with the free market.
00:37:24.000 Of course, the government always say the corporations are the problem to deflect, you know, what's really going on, which is the corporate shield.
00:37:30.000 And the reasons why they gave this was A, to get the money from the corporate owners and B, Because then they get to tax corporations and then everyone somehow thinks that there's this thing called the corporation, like this blimp floating around the universe that you can tax for free.
00:37:44.000 Like they did this fine recently, $900 million on some financial entity for its wrongdoings or whatever.
00:37:51.000 And people are like, yeah, you know, they fined that corporation.
00:37:53.000 Like somehow the corporation is paying.
00:37:55.000 There's no corporation.
00:37:56.000 What happens is the shareholders end up paying.
00:37:59.000 The employees don't get raises.
00:38:01.000 The customers end up with service fees.
00:38:02.000 I mean, there's no corporation to tax.
00:38:04.000 There's only people.
00:38:05.000 So anyway, minor rant, but the corporations, they're part of the state capitalism or what's sometimes called crapitalism, which is just the government and corporations working together.
00:38:17.000 Technically, that's fascism, but it doesn't have anything to do with the free market.
00:38:20.000 It's just the modern bloated monstrosity that's been created.
00:38:23.000 And it's just people figuring out a way to extract money and manipulating the system to make it easier for them to extract money.
00:38:28.000 Whether it's extracting money from taxes or whether it's extracting money in the form of political donations, however they're figuring out a way to do it.
00:38:35.000 And what gets crazy about it is that there's a bunch of human beings that are a part of this thing that really isn't looking out for human beings.
00:38:41.000 I mean, some people profit, you get money from it, but if you look at the ultimate destruction of these things, very often they're not looking out for people.
00:38:50.000 Look, I say this as an insider.
00:38:52.000 I mean, I started a company with my brother in the 90s.
00:38:56.000 We grew this company, we sold it and then we went public. 0.99
00:39:00.000 And the process of going public It's like having cocaine injected into your dick, being lashed into a barrel full of psychotic monkeys and thrown off a cliff. 1.00
00:39:11.000 It's completely insane. 1.00
00:39:12.000 You go mental.
00:39:14.000 You focus on the stock price rather than building long-term value.
00:39:17.000 And you can make a fortune from tiny upticks and downticks in the stock price rather than focusing on satisfying your – it really draws your attention away.
00:39:24.000 It's like you're chatting with your wife and some incredibly stacked woman in a bikini We're good to go. 0.98
00:39:44.000 It's completely insane.
00:39:46.000 It really warps your thinking.
00:39:48.000 And this is why corporations have given up on R&D and focused entirely on marketing and stock pitches because the amount of money you can make is insane.
00:39:57.000 And it's because so many people's money is being forced into the stock market.
00:40:02.000 I mean, it's like herding a bunch of sheep off a cliff and saying, well, those sheep seem to be kind of suicidal now, don't they?
00:40:06.000 It's like, no!
00:40:07.000 It's because, like, you've got a 401k plan.
00:40:10.000 What happens if you don't put money in your 401k?
00:40:12.000 Government takes it.
00:40:13.000 What happens if you don't invest in various institutions?
00:40:16.000 If your money gets taken from a union, the union has to invest it in your pension plans and all of that.
00:40:21.000 Unions have a huge amount of say in what happens in the stock market.
00:40:24.000 Who wants to be in the stock market?
00:40:25.000 I don't want to be in the stock market.
00:40:27.000 Maybe you do because you're a thrill junkie and all that, but I don't want to be in the stock market.
00:40:33.000 The stock market is for people who know what they're doing.
00:40:36.000 I don't want to be in the stock market.
00:40:38.000 Nobody I know wants to be in the stock market, but we all have to be in the stock market because it's like...
00:40:42.000 It's like that old joke where in Scotland, right?
00:40:46.000 Scotland, Scottish people are supposed to be cheap. 1.00
00:40:47.000 That's the stereotype when I grew up.
00:40:49.000 And so, you know, an Englishman and a Scotsman are walking down and, you know, a thief comes up and says, I'm going to rob you of everything you've got.
00:40:56.000 And the Scotsman turns to the English guy and says, I use that 20 quid that I owe you.
00:40:59.000 You know, because it's like you're going to lose the money.
00:41:01.000 So you give it, you know, give it to the...
00:41:03.000 So the government's going to take your money by force or you give it to a bunch of parasitical, three-eyed, roach-faced stockbrokers, right?
00:41:10.000 So it's like, okay, give it to the stockbrokers.
00:41:12.000 You know, if the guy's going to steal my money, I'll put it on Red 22. And that's how the stock market works.
00:41:16.000 So there's way too much money in the stock market.
00:41:18.000 There should be like 1% of the money that's in the stock market that's there now.
00:41:21.000 So you've got these massive tsunamis of cash rolling back and forth.
00:41:25.000 You gave me a good coffee here.
00:41:26.000 I just wanted to mention that.
00:41:27.000 It's pretty strong.
00:41:28.000 It's caveman coffee.
00:41:29.000 Hollow to my friend Tate Fletcher.
00:41:31.000 So I'm going to do three more rants and then faceplant into this lovely wood table.
00:41:34.000 You're going to hang in there because that's got MCT oil and butter.
00:41:37.000 So you're going to hang in there.
00:41:39.000 It's going to have a lot more energy. 0.99
00:41:40.000 So I'm going to have really strange shit in the morning? 0.99
00:41:42.000 Maybe that'll happen. 0.99
00:41:43.000 Like nothing nice and S-shaped?
00:41:44.000 It's going to be like the subtitles to some Japanese movie that's going to be in the...
00:41:49.000 It's going to be like if you stuck mud in a musket and then just pull that pin back and boom, let it go.
00:41:56.000 Right.
00:41:56.000 So yeah, I mean, there's just way too much money in the stock market.
00:41:59.000 Corporations are taking moral and financial and legal responsibility away from executives.
00:42:05.000 So this is just natural.
00:42:06.000 You know, you drug a ballerina, you get a weird show.
00:42:09.000 But it's not the ballerina.
00:42:11.000 It's just what happens, right?
00:42:12.000 That's a very funny expression.
00:42:13.000 You drug a ballerina, you get a weird show. 0.54
00:42:16.000 Yeah.
00:42:18.000 There should be a photo of you like this, like an internet meme, and it just says, you drug a ballerina, you get a weird show.
00:42:25.000 Stefan Molyneux.
00:42:26.000 That's so true.
00:42:27.000 It's a great way of putting it.
00:42:28.000 I think a lot of what you're bitching about, and we're both bitching about, it comes down to a couple of things. 0.99
00:42:34.000 It comes down to Human beings being born into a system that's already fucked up.
00:42:40.000 It comes down to managing your own thinking as well, figuring out how to weigh you as an individual who allegedly, and it's another debate, has free will.
00:42:50.000 That's a huge debate, the free will debate, which is very esoteric and strange.
00:42:55.000 I'm not qualified.
00:42:56.000 I would like to have you and Sam Harris discuss the free will debate.
00:43:00.000 I agree and disagree with both sides.
00:43:04.000 So I don't know what's correct or what's not when it comes to football.
00:43:06.000 I would do that, but only if you would call it like a mixed martial arts fight.
00:43:12.000 That would be the only thing.
00:43:13.000 And only if one of us wins with a choke out.
00:43:15.000 It would be very distracting.
00:43:16.000 Because in some of my debates, I thought, you know, this debate would go way better if we had a choke out option.
00:43:21.000 At the end of it, you could just press a button and both of you get down to your shorts and just start duking it out.
00:43:26.000 Yeah, just the threat of that is what keeps people gentlemanly, actually.
00:43:33.000 When people know that there will be no physical violence, they can get very squirrely.
00:43:37.000 People can get very mouthy.
00:43:39.000 Again, I don't want to keep harping on rich kids, but have you ever been around a really spoiled rich kid that likes to yell at people that are working?
00:43:46.000 Yell at security?
00:43:48.000 I have a friend who does security, and there's a famous person I won't name, but her name rhymes with Paris Hilton. 0.99
00:43:54.000 And she was out, and she got shitty with my friend, who is essentially, he's a killer. 0.90
00:44:01.000 He's a, I mean, he's not working security because he's a cutie pie. 0.94
00:44:04.000 He's working security because he understands how to keep people secure, so he knows how to deal with threats.
00:44:08.000 He knows how to deal with violence, okay?
00:44:11.000 He's good at disassembling people if he needs to. 0.98
00:44:13.000 Yeah, and some person is just shitting on him that's remarkably similar to Paris Hilton. 0.98
00:44:18.000 Might not have been Paris Hilton. 0.98
00:44:20.000 Whatever, whatever.
00:44:21.000 But, I mean, why would she get away with that? 0.94
00:44:23.000 Why would anybody think they can get away with that?
00:44:26.000 It's because they know the threat of violence doesn't exist.
00:44:28.000 Well, and you know as well, Joe, that there's a huge tendency that people have to mistake accidents of birth for personal virtues.
00:44:36.000 Yes.
00:44:37.000 It's that old saying, like, you think that you hit a triple, but you were born on third base.
00:44:41.000 Yeah, so people who are rich, they think, well, I'm better.
00:44:44.000 They're born rich.
00:44:44.000 You didn't earn that.
00:44:45.000 Like, this guy in my high school, his father, I think, was running the Toronto Stock Exchange or whatever, and, you know, I was in this little tiny apartment with my mom and my brother, and, you know, it's like the matriarchal manners.
00:44:55.000 It was all, like, the fallout from, like, the Yeah.
00:45:13.000 And, you know, these are the kids, 16, you know, they get their sports car and they show up in school.
00:45:19.000 And everyone is, like, oohing and aahing.
00:45:21.000 And these guys are preening.
00:45:22.000 And I get it.
00:45:22.000 They're 16. What do they know, right?
00:45:23.000 What did I know when I was 16?
00:45:25.000 But that's just an accident.
00:45:26.000 You know, you just happened to be born there, you know?
00:45:28.000 Like, it wasn't like you laser-targeted from the Stork army and decided to go to that house rather than some other place, you know?
00:45:34.000 Like, you're not a guided missile of wise prenatal aiming.
00:45:39.000 And so I... We all have that, you know, and it's true.
00:45:42.000 People who are born pretty or people who are born rich or, you know, people, guys sometimes who are just born tall or you got good athletics or, you know, like I was told when I was a kid, if effort matched ability, you'd be an A+. You know, like I just wasn't trying hard enough.
00:45:55.000 It wasn't the school's fault.
00:45:56.000 It wasn't my family's fault.
00:45:57.000 It wasn't a chaotic or crazy situation where I was growing up.
00:46:00.000 We weren't poor.
00:46:01.000 I didn't have to have three jobs.
00:46:03.000 I just needed to work a little harder like the other kids did who had good homes and all that.
00:46:07.000 It's natural, and we have a very tough time really getting how much our environment has to do with who we become.
00:46:16.000 Absolutely.
00:46:16.000 Because that gives you a lot of humility.
00:46:18.000 Like, okay, I was born with a fairly good brain and fairly good language center.
00:46:22.000 I try to use that for as much good as I can, but with all the humility of knowing that You know, I mean, if I'd been hit the wrong way with a ball when I was a kid, I'd be a whole different person.
00:46:32.000 If I'd been born, as you said, you know, different race, different country, different culture.
00:46:37.000 I mean, you know, not a lot of female playwrights in Iran, you know, because it's just bad luck. 1.00
00:46:41.000 Sorry, you know, you really drew the short straw.
00:46:43.000 We have a very tough time.
00:46:45.000 And I think that basic humanity that we have is...
00:46:50.000 Diminishing and it's catastrophic and it's diminishing largely because of single moms. 1.00
00:46:54.000 Because the statistic is that by far the best predictor, I'm waving this pen at you like trying to talk about empathy.
00:47:00.000 Let me just do my finger.
00:47:01.000 The best predictor for the growth of empathy in a human being is the close presence of a father.
00:47:07.000 This is something that's kind of unknown because we all think that moms are about the nurturing and the emotional development and so on.
00:47:14.000 But statistically, you know, outside Unstructured play plus the presence of a dad is the biggest thing in developing empathy.
00:47:21.000 You take fathers out of the equation in society, this is why sociopathy has doubled over the last 15 years.
00:47:27.000 This is basically why we have a welfare state as the destruction of the family. 0.69
00:47:30.000 It's not a welfare state, it's a single mother state. 1.00
00:47:32.000 It's all making up for not having a provider.
00:47:34.000 Well, the problem with phrasing it like that, though, is you say that the issue is single mothers, but the issue is really that the father isn't around.
00:47:41.000 Whether or not it was the mother's fault, the father's fault, whoever's fault it was that that relationship didn't work out, whether it's mutual or one person has the majority of the blame, it's that the family's broken up.
00:47:52.000 It's not that the single mom, it's just that the family's broken up.
00:47:55.000 I think we're about the same age, is that right?
00:47:58.000 46. How old are you?
00:47:59.000 I'm 47. So, we got a younger person in the room.
00:48:03.000 Yeah, Jamie's 12. I didn't know some Italian kids who had that kind of growth on their face when they were 12. Yeah, the weird ones. 1.00
00:48:10.000 Yeah, the ones who had to shave the backs of their knuckles, like after they turned 10, that's the ritual.
00:48:14.000 Here's your finger shaver now that you're 10. Okay, so in your generation, how old are you?
00:48:20.000 31. I just turned yesterday.
00:48:22.000 Oh, happy birthday, sweetie.
00:48:23.000 Did you really?
00:48:24.000 I did.
00:48:24.000 Happy birthday.
00:48:26.000 Who asks who out?
00:48:27.000 Is it women ask men out? 0.99
00:48:29.000 Is it mutual men ask men out?
00:48:30.000 This is a completely broad-ended question.
00:48:33.000 It depends entirely on the game of said individuals.
00:48:36.000 I know, but generally.
00:48:38.000 I mean, in general.
00:48:39.000 Generally, guys.
00:48:40.000 Yeah, of course.
00:48:41.000 Girls don't ask men out. 1.00
00:48:42.000 They don't have to.
00:48:45.000 Okay, so then we can't say that single moms is equally shared, because the single mom, like men propose, women dispose, right? 0.72
00:48:52.000 I mean, men say, I want to date you or have sex with you or something. 0.92
00:48:55.000 That sounds like something Al Sharpton would say.
00:48:57.000 It does rhyme, but I'm afraid I don't have that.
00:49:00.000 Men propose, women dispose. 1.00
00:49:03.000 What do you mean by that?
00:49:04.000 Well, so men say, I want to date you or have sex with you, I want to go out with you, and the women say yes or no. 0.87
00:49:09.000 Well, men are generally more aggressive, and women are generally more desirable, so that makes us have to go after them.
00:49:15.000 But as heterosexual men, how can we possibly figure that out, right?
00:49:18.000 I mean, of course, women are more desirable to us, but, you know, to lesbians, no way. 0.98
00:49:22.000 That doesn't make any sense. 0.76
00:49:23.000 But to gay men...
00:49:24.000 Even to them, they just, for whatever reason...
00:49:27.000 I can't figure out what women see in us at all. 1.00
00:49:37.000 Yeah, I can't get it.
00:49:52.000 But fundamentally, women say yes or no to relationships. 1.00
00:49:56.000 So they do get to choose who the man is a lot more than the man gets to choose who the woman is.
00:50:01.000 Oh, I don't know about that.
00:50:02.000 I don't agree with that.
00:50:04.000 I think that ultimately it boils down to once you finally meet each other, do you like each other?
00:50:10.000 And if the woman likes the man as much as the man likes the woman, it works out. 0.67
00:50:13.000 And if they don't, then it becomes this weird balance of power, this weird shifting sort of a thing.
00:50:18.000 But I think there's a lot of men that don't want in a relationship and they end it.
00:50:22.000 Or, you know, they pursue and they end it.
00:50:24.000 I think it's probably—I don't want to be a 50-50.
00:50:27.000 I don't want to give you a statistic, but I would say there's a good number of men who end relationships and a good number of women who end relationships.
00:50:34.000 To put all the power on the women's side, I think it's— Well, not all, of course. 1.00
00:50:37.000 See, we disagree on something.
00:50:38.000 We found one.
00:50:39.000 But we have facts to mediate.
00:50:40.000 So statistically, it depends on how you measure it, but 70 to 80 percent of marriages are ended by women. 0.99
00:50:46.000 Is that true, or is it that men are so fucking douchey that the women have no choice? 0.99
00:50:51.000 That the men have given up a long time ago, and they just don't want to fucking bother going to the court, so just shut the fuck up, I'm gonna go out, and they shut the door, and then the woman calls the lawyer, and well, the woman ended that relationship. 0.99
00:51:02.000 Did she? 0.98
00:51:03.000 Or was it mutual? 1.00
00:51:04.000 Just one person decided to make the call to the lawyer, but did the guy already give up to the point where he was just treating her like shit, hoping she would leave? 0.99
00:51:11.000 That's like the old Sam Kinison joke about marriage. 0.99
00:51:14.000 He goes, you know, he goes, I don't like to break up with women, so what I do is I just stay up all night and do coke for four or five days. 1.00
00:51:22.000 I come home drunk and smelling like pussy until you get to a point where she leaves you. 1.00
00:51:28.000 She leaves you because you're falling apart. 1.00
00:51:30.000 And he goes...
00:51:31.000 And here's the best part! 1.00
00:51:32.000 She feels like shit! 1.00
00:51:33.000 Because she left you when you needed her most! 1.00
00:51:35.000 It's perfect!
00:51:37.000 I was at my lowest ebb, honey, and then you just...
00:51:40.000 You could have been there for me!
00:51:41.000 We could have been a successful team together! 1.00
00:51:44.000 There's weak bitches on both sides. 1.00
00:51:46.000 I agree with that. 0.99
00:51:47.000 I agree with that, but I don't think...
00:51:48.000 Shitty behavior.
00:51:49.000 I don't think that we give...
00:51:51.000 I don't think we give women enough responsibility in this area. 1.00
00:51:55.000 I think that men generally want to protect women.
00:51:57.000 I think that men generally...
00:51:58.000 Oh, that's crazy.
00:51:59.000 I don't agree with that at all.
00:52:00.000 You don't think men want to protect women? 0.93
00:52:01.000 They want to protect the ones that they love, but the reason why so many women get sexually assaulted isn't because so many men want to protect them. 1.00
00:52:08.000 Men want to fuck, you know? 0.99
00:52:09.000 And when they get a girl that they like to fuck, they want to hold on to her and make sure nobody else hurts her. 1.00
00:52:14.000 I mean, that's the ape shit. 1.00
00:52:16.000 That's the worst aspects of people. 1.00
00:52:18.000 But the idea that men want to generally protect women, sure, is less than they want to generally protect themselves, though.
00:52:25.000 And I think less than really would be ideal.
00:52:29.000 If you look at the balance of power between men and women, The real issue is the physical strength. 0.96
00:52:35.000 The real issue is that men can physically do things to women.
00:52:38.000 Where does rape come from? 1.00
00:52:40.000 Where does violence against women come from? 1.00
00:52:41.000 It comes from people that are capable of committing violence against women and rape.
00:52:46.000 A woman like Ronda Rousey, UFC champion, Doesn't have to worry about some hundred pound dude who smokes cigarettes. 1.00
00:52:53.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
00:52:54.000 She'd be in the room with him and he'd be like, Bitch, I'm gonna rape you. 1.00
00:52:58.000 Oh, really? 1.00
00:52:59.000 Boom! 0.99
00:52:59.000 Drop him on his head and he'd be unconscious. 0.99
00:53:01.000 I mean, she'd break his arm off. 0.99
00:53:03.000 That's a physical situation that women have to deal with that men don't. 1.00
00:53:07.000 And I think, for sure, we could do a way better job of addressing that.
00:53:12.000 And I think, you know, like this Steubenville rape case.
00:53:16.000 You know this case in Ohio?
00:53:17.000 You know this case?
00:53:18.000 A bunch of football players got together, high school football players, got some underage girl drunk, raped her, and then the guys went to jail and they just got out.
00:53:26.000 Why is it so horrible?
00:53:28.000 Well, here's what's so horrible about it.
00:53:29.000 It was a girl.
00:53:30.000 It was men that did it to a girl. 1.00
00:53:32.000 If it was a bunch of women who raped a guy, they got him drunk and sucked his dick for an hour and a half, everyone would be laughing about it, okay? 1.00
00:53:38.000 It's a sexual act that happens to a woman who can't control herself, and then you find out that it's a football player group, a group of giant athletes, a group of super strong men who obviously could have physically dominated her as well. 1.00
00:53:50.000 It becomes a horrific act.
00:53:52.000 If you simply reverse the sexes, it becomes a comedy. 1.00
00:53:55.000 If it's some nerd who gets too drunk in a sorority and they all fuck him for three or four hours and take pictures of his penis, it's a comedy. 1.00
00:54:03.000 But because it's a woman... 1.00
00:54:04.000 It's a tragedy.
00:54:05.000 And the reason why it's a tragedy is because men are physically stronger.
00:54:08.000 It's really that simple.
00:54:09.000 So the idea that I think that men want to physically protect women, man, there's a lot of evidence that they don't.
00:54:15.000 I think it's a giant, broad generalization.
00:54:17.000 I think the nicest men certainly do.
00:54:20.000 I think I would certainly, if I was seeing a woman that was being physically assaulted or something, I would absolutely risk my health to help her.
00:54:26.000 I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't, especially if I cared about her.
00:54:29.000 Right.
00:54:30.000 Some people don't.
00:54:30.000 Especially given your training, too, right?
00:54:31.000 I mean, you know how to do this stuff.
00:54:33.000 Yeah, well, that's also part of it.
00:54:34.000 I know that I have some preparation in that area, which is a very terrifying thing for people who don't.
00:54:41.000 I've seen people involved in physical altercations who don't know how to defend themselves, and it becomes like you're facing a werewolf.
00:54:47.000 It becomes like the most horrific thing in the world, because you're going to get slaughtered, and you know you're going to get slaughtered.
00:54:52.000 And people, they hyperventilate.
00:54:54.000 They don't know how to deal with the stress.
00:54:55.000 I think you're doing yourself a disservice as a human being if you don't know how to defend yourself a little bit, and you're a man.
00:55:01.000 Yeah.
00:55:02.000 Okay, so a lot of points.
00:55:04.000 Too many, maybe.
00:55:05.000 Perhaps too many. 0.95
00:55:06.000 Do you know who gets raped more, men or women in America?
00:55:09.000 Well, men do, but here's the problem with that statistic. 0.99
00:55:12.000 They're getting raped by men. 1.00
00:55:13.000 So even though men get raped more, they're getting raped by men. 1.00
00:55:17.000 So men are still the fucking problem. 1.00
00:55:18.000 Men are just raping. 1.00
00:55:19.000 They're raping men and they're raping women. 1.00
00:55:21.000 Yeah, they rape men more, but that's just because we keep them pinned up with men. 1.00
00:55:24.000 If we had no prisons and everyone ran free... 0.99
00:55:27.000 And we just fucking slaughtered people that we are absolutely sure don't contribute to society, whether they're murderers or rapists. 1.00
00:55:34.000 We just slaughtered them. 1.00
00:55:35.000 The rape stuff would pretty much die off. 1.00
00:55:37.000 It's keeping men together locked in a box and making them fuck each other. 1.00
00:55:42.000 Yeah, men rape. 1.00
00:55:43.000 Yeah, but it's men doing it. 0.99
00:55:45.000 The real problem with that, you know, that's the MRA argument against feminism, is that men actually get raped more than women. 1.00
00:55:51.000 But by men! 0.99
00:55:53.000 It's still a shitty argument. 0.98
00:55:54.000 Well, I think it's not an argument against feminism. 1.00
00:55:57.000 I think what it is, is not something that people generally know.
00:56:00.000 Oh, I think that's pretty common knowledge.
00:56:03.000 I was surprised.
00:56:04.000 Again...
00:56:05.000 Sure.
00:56:09.000 Sure.
00:56:26.000 You can't get security.
00:56:27.000 You can't get protection.
00:56:28.000 This is America, son. 1.00
00:56:29.000 We don't defend pussies. 1.00
00:56:30.000 Some chicks are kicking your ass. 1.00
00:56:31.000 I say that in all jest. 1.00
00:56:33.000 One of my favorite people ever was murdered by his wife, Phil Hartman. 0.99
00:56:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:56:37.000 A fellow Toronto native.
00:56:39.000 Brilliant, brilliant comedian.
00:56:40.000 And I knew both of them very well.
00:56:43.000 I knew him and I knew her.
00:56:44.000 And it was a horrific scene and very, very tragic.
00:56:49.000 And if you...
00:56:50.000 If you know someone like that, you know that it is possible for a woman to do it to a man, just like it's possible for a man to do it with a woman. 0.96
00:56:57.000 There's weapons, ladies and gentlemen.
00:56:58.000 There's knives and there's guns.
00:57:00.000 Gotta sleep sometime.
00:57:01.000 And by the way, there's good and bad in that.
00:57:05.000 The good in that is that you can defend yourself against a man. 0.99
00:57:09.000 If you're a woman and you're physically weak but you have a gun, you can say, get the fuck out of my house and the guy has to run away because you have a gun. 1.00
00:57:14.000 There's good in that. 1.00
00:57:15.000 But there's also people...
00:57:17.000 You know, people do horrible things.
00:57:18.000 They get angry at each other and it happens with both sexes, with men and with women.
00:57:22.000 There's no need to generalize. 1.00
00:57:25.000 It's all just shitty people. 0.98
00:57:26.000 It's all just shitty people and shitty circumstances and a gigantic past of momentum of terrible decision making that's led you to this really unstable current state that you find yourself in. 0.99
00:57:38.000 And then you add drugs. 0.89
00:57:39.000 You add antidepressants. 0.95
00:57:41.000 You know, I mean, I believe you and I discussed this the last time we talked, but the amount of fucking school shooters that are on antidepressants, like causation does not, you know, people want to pretend there's not like a relation between those two. 0.95
00:57:55.000 The FDA has black warning, the strongest warning labels on this stuff. 0.95
00:58:00.000 Causes suicidal ideation, causes homicidal rage, causes, I mean...
00:58:04.000 On some people.
00:58:05.000 Yeah, yeah, some people.
00:58:06.000 But that's what we have to realize.
00:58:07.000 It's like, it's not a black and white thing. 1.00
00:58:09.000 It's, some people die from fucking peanuts, okay? 0.99
00:58:12.000 Some people can't pet a dog or they go into a hyperventilating shock. 0.99
00:58:16.000 I mean, some people literally around dogs, their throat will constrict and they can't breathe.
00:58:21.000 Massively allergic to dander.
00:58:23.000 Cats, same thing.
00:58:24.000 People are different. 0.99
00:58:26.000 A lot of people are allergic to weird shit, but a lot of people also could benefit from being healthier. 0.98
00:58:33.000 This is one of the things we discussed before the podcast started. 0.99
00:58:36.000 How many people that take an antidepressant could have fixed their problem just with a little exercise and diet change?
00:58:42.000 With a little...
00:58:43.000 Just getting around better people, having a better relationship, being a friendlier person, trying to exercise the stress out of your life both mentally and physically.
00:58:54.000 And then let's see what kind of emotional and psychological state you're in.
00:58:56.000 Because the idea that this...
00:58:58.000 We need a holistic approach to the human organism.
00:59:00.000 And that holistic approach should...
00:59:04.000 Really have a big impact in what kind of medication we subscribe to people.
00:59:08.000 I think it should have a massive impact. 0.97
00:59:10.000 And if you find someone and the person is eating fucking donuts all day, and they sleep four hours a night, and they're constantly drinking Red Bulls, and they're depressed. 0.98
00:59:18.000 Huh. 0.99
00:59:19.000 Okay, we've got to fix this first.
00:59:21.000 Or they're a smart person underachieving in some dead-end job, and they don't have people around them saying, listen, man, you've got more to offer the world.
00:59:28.000 Let's just find a way to get you out of the hamster wheel and get you on some flat track.
00:59:31.000 Dead-end jobs, dead-end lives, dead-end relationships are almost just as bad as some physical ailment. 0.99
00:59:38.000 I mean, they literally do suck the fucking life out of you. 0.96
00:59:41.000 We've all experienced it to some degree if we're lucky because it makes us appreciate the good times when you do experience something along those lines. 0.99
00:59:49.000 But I think that, man, you've got to really deal with that first before anything else.
00:59:54.000 And there's too many people in this world That want a pill.
00:59:56.000 They just want to fix things.
00:59:58.000 And I've said this before, but I have to say it again, just in the interest of clarity.
01:00:02.000 This is coming from a person who I know several people who have benefited tremendously from antidepressants.
01:00:08.000 It's not a black and white thing.
01:00:10.000 It's not either or.
01:00:12.000 There's a lot of variables when it comes to antidepressants, when it comes to medication, when it comes to mental health.
01:00:17.000 There's a lot of variables.
01:00:18.000 We've done some amazing things to help a lot of people that have really had real issues. 0.91
01:00:22.000 But we've got to figure out who the fuck actually has issues and who doesn't. 0.83
01:00:25.000 And the statistic that you brought up before the podcast was over 41 out of 4 women on antidepressants. 0.99
01:00:32.000 Yeah, in America, I think, yes, 35 or 40 and over 1 out of 4 women on antidepressants.
01:00:37.000 And those are just the people who've gone and gotten diagnosed, right?
01:00:39.000 Lots of other...
01:00:40.000 Yeah, I mean, there is...
01:00:43.000 There's a lot of good things that are happening, I think, in the world with regards to human relationships.
01:00:47.000 I think that we are getting smarter.
01:00:49.000 I think we are getting more positive.
01:00:50.000 I think that we are getting, dare I use the hackneyed Victorian term, more virtuous, better in our relationships.
01:00:57.000 You know, there's an awareness of beating and emotional abuse and all.
01:00:59.000 I think that the standards are kind of raising, right?
01:01:02.000 And, you know, Dr. Phil is like the number one daytime show and he talks a lot about, you know, how to be Reasonably decent human beings in relationships, which is sad that he has to keep saying that, you know, like, stop screaming at each other, stop hitting each other, stop doing drugs, stop yelling at the children. 0.98
01:01:15.000 If you've got to go to Dr. Phil to figure out your fucking life, you're way behind the ball. 0.99
01:01:20.000 There's a lot of other shit you need to cover. 0.99
01:01:22.000 Right, but so I think a lot of that stuff has been going really well, but I think there's a lot of stuff that is not going so well. 0.94
01:01:29.000 I mean, a lot of, you know, just basic things.
01:01:32.000 You were talking the other day about breastfeeding.
01:01:34.000 I remember you were looking up on the...
01:01:36.000 You're looking up on the website.
01:01:37.000 No, I just take the first website and that's how it works.
01:01:40.000 That's true.
01:01:40.000 That's the way it works.
01:01:41.000 That's how you do it.
01:01:42.000 And anything that disagrees with that is nonsense.
01:01:44.000 I mean, it's just overkill to go to the second one.
01:01:46.000 Too much work.
01:01:47.000 It wouldn't be first if it wasn't right.
01:01:48.000 That's the key thing.
01:01:50.000 But so, yeah, I mean, like 30% of women still are only breastfeeding for the minimum amount of time, six months. 0.62
01:01:58.000 This guy, Steven Pinker, I think would be, if you can get him on, he's a really smart guy, great to talk to.
01:02:03.000 What does he do?
01:02:04.000 I think he's a neurobiologist, neuroscientist.
01:02:08.000 And he basically was...
01:02:10.000 There's a lot of studies out there that say that sort of personality traits go like 50% genetic and maybe they can get 0% to 10% is the parents.
01:02:19.000 And the rest of it is kind of cultural and so on, right?
01:02:21.000 And, you know, I'm not going to argue with the science.
01:02:24.000 I'm not a scientist.
01:02:24.000 But I will say that I think that parents don't have really that much involvement in kids' lives from a guidance standpoint that much anymore.
01:02:35.000 I read the statistic the other day that said the average dad has like 20 minutes of conversation with his children every week.
01:02:42.000 Whoa.
01:02:43.000 Average, right?
01:02:44.000 And that's of the people who are present.
01:02:47.000 That doesn't count the dads who are absent and so on.
01:02:49.000 Because the typical two-family working, I mean, what's their day like?
01:02:53.000 I mean, I've seen it.
01:02:54.000 I've seen it up close.
01:02:54.000 And this is one of the reasons I wanted to have kids.
01:02:57.000 Because I saw what happened.
01:02:58.000 You get up at 6 o'clock in the morning.
01:02:59.000 You've got to get your kids up, breakfast, get them out of the school bus.
01:03:02.000 You go to your work all day.
01:03:03.000 You're sweating bullets to pick them up after school daycare or wherever they are.
01:03:08.000 Get them home, feed them, do homework, bathe them, get them to bed, and then you start the whole thing again.
01:03:12.000 It's all just herd management.
01:03:14.000 It's all just keep them going through the maze and all that.
01:03:17.000 And I think that – like I've been a stay-at-home dad.
01:03:20.000 My daughter is five now.
01:03:22.000 And there's a lot of little guidance things that happen during the week about how to modify where they're going, how to help them understand sharing or empathy or understanding how to do win-win negotiations rather than just focus on what they want, which is natural for little kids.
01:03:36.000 But it's all these tiny little corrections that are scattered throughout the week.
01:03:39.000 You don't know when they're going to be, but you have to kind of be around for them.
01:03:42.000 And I think that we don't really have much opportunity for modern parents to really stay involved.
01:03:50.000 Like we're kind of designed as a species to be around our parents.
01:03:53.000 You know, they were there with the fields.
01:03:54.000 The dads would take them.
01:03:55.000 You went hunting recently.
01:03:56.000 Dads would take them out hunting and stuff like that.
01:03:58.000 And that's when you have your conversations and you teach the kids the values and all that kind of stuff.
01:04:03.000 It's really been supplanted by, you know, government, by daycare, government schools and all of that.
01:04:07.000 That's who we're kind of bonding with.
01:04:09.000 That's who we're kind of letting raise our kids.
01:04:11.000 And I can understand why there's very little influence of parents over children's behavior.
01:04:16.000 I don't think that's natural.
01:04:17.000 I think that's just the way society has been structured, or rather the society we've kind of inherited.
01:04:23.000 And I really would like to see, I say this on my show all the time to people who call in.
01:04:27.000 It's like, wow, we're going to have kids, but I got to work.
01:04:29.000 It's like, You don't.
01:04:30.000 I mean, you went into debt to go to school.
01:04:33.000 I mean, this is important, just at least for the first couple of years.
01:04:35.000 My daughter, her brain is like 90% done now.
01:04:38.000 At five?
01:04:39.000 Yeah.
01:04:40.000 Mine is too, unfortunately.
01:04:42.000 She's going to be crazy. 1.00
01:04:42.000 So now you're really stuck on that train track, right? 1.00
01:04:44.000 We were at a hotel this weekend, and we went skiing, and the three-year-old zipped up her luggage, but she forgot something.
01:04:53.000 And so my wife says, honey, you're not going to fit that.
01:04:57.000 You have to put your boots in there.
01:04:58.000 And she goes... 1.00
01:04:59.000 Ah, shit. 1.00
01:05:02.000 And there's something about seeing a three-year-old go, ah, shit. 1.00
01:05:06.000 And you realize, ooh, okay. 1.00
01:05:08.000 Welcome to the human condition.
01:05:10.000 First of all, that's obviously me, okay?
01:05:12.000 I need to either stop saying that or embrace the idea of a three-year-old saying it. 0.99
01:05:18.000 It's one of those, because I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, oh, shit, when you leave saying it. 0.99
01:05:22.000 But if you do it in certain circumstances in school and work, it's going to be a problem. 0.99
01:05:26.000 So I have to figure out what to do.
01:05:27.000 My daughter loves Bible stories.
01:05:30.000 Really?
01:05:30.000 I'm an atheist.
01:05:31.000 Do you say once upon a time before you tell them?
01:05:33.000 Oh, she knows their stories.
01:05:34.000 Okay.
01:05:35.000 Yeah, we call him the big invisible guy.
01:05:36.000 Do you go old school, Old Testament, or do you go- Oh, we do the whole thing.
01:05:40.000 Oh, okay.
01:05:41.000 Interesting.
01:05:41.000 I've told her the story of the guy who's going to kill his son because the big invisible guy.
01:05:46.000 I say bake him in an ice cream, like bake him in a pie with whipped cream because it's- That's how you say it.
01:05:50.000 I don't have a knife to the throat.
01:05:52.000 I mean, she was four.
01:05:53.000 But she loves the big invisible guy stories.
01:05:54.000 She loves the Noah one. 0.52
01:05:56.000 She loves the Adam and Eve one with the snake and the apple.
01:05:58.000 I mean, these stories, they've stood the test of time.
01:06:01.000 They're really some of the best stories around.
01:06:03.000 Who was going to kill his son?
01:06:05.000 Was it Cain and Abel?
01:06:06.000 No.
01:06:06.000 No, Cain and Abel were the son of Adam and Eve.
01:06:08.000 They were brothers.
01:06:09.000 Yeah.
01:06:09.000 And they killed each other, right?
01:06:10.000 Is it Isaac and Abraham?
01:06:12.000 I think, no, Isaac and, I don't know.
01:06:14.000 Do we have a web?
01:06:15.000 I think it's Abraham.
01:06:15.000 Abraham.
01:06:16.000 Yeah, Abraham was going to kill his son, right? 0.96
01:06:18.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:06:19.000 And God was asking him to kill his son for him.
01:06:22.000 Yeah, you know, as a love test. 0.78
01:06:23.000 Yeah, just a test.
01:06:24.000 Because, you know, that's how you know if someone really loves you.
01:06:27.000 Like, you know, this is why, you know, you give this to your wife. 0.99
01:06:31.000 You know, like, I would murder our offspring for you.
01:06:34.000 And that's the Hallmark card that really helps your wife understand how much you love her. 0.96
01:06:37.000 Or an ex-boyfriend. 1.00
01:06:39.000 I'll murder your ex-boyfriend. 1.00
01:06:40.000 I will find that way. 1.00
01:06:41.000 The ex-boyfriend that beat you up, I'll murder him. 1.00
01:06:43.000 Just to tell you I love you. 0.97
01:06:45.000 And I'm trying to tell the stories in a neutral way, right?
01:06:47.000 Again, I have my opinions on all these stories and all that, but she really likes the stories, and she's a huge fan of Lucifer.
01:06:54.000 Whoa.
01:06:55.000 I mean, Lucifer is the guy.
01:06:56.000 He is like her superhero.
01:06:58.000 He is her Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
01:07:00.000 She thinks he is just the coolest because he's always standing up to Big Invisible Guy, right?
01:07:04.000 Right.
01:07:05.000 Because for her, prayer is everyone standing around saying, oh, you're the best.
01:07:09.000 Oh, you're the best.
01:07:10.000 Oh, you're the greatest.
01:07:10.000 Oh, I love you so much.
01:07:11.000 Oh, you're the best.
01:07:12.000 And so Lucifer gets kind of tired of that and leads the rebellion and all that.
01:07:16.000 Because I said, just keep saying it.
01:07:18.000 And she said, I'm getting tired of it.
01:07:19.000 It's like, no, no, no, keep saying it because it's an eternity of saying that to the guy, right?
01:07:22.000 Right.
01:07:23.000 And she's like, oh man, I'm really tired.
01:07:24.000 I want to sit down.
01:07:25.000 It's like, now you know how Lucifer felt.
01:07:28.000 Anyway, so she's got this great song, which goes basically, Lucifer was right, Lucifer was right, you know, from the songs.
01:07:37.000 And I'm just waiting, because, you know, in Canada, there's some homeschooling, which is kind of, well, aren't schooling what we're doing, but a lot of them are Christians, right? 0.97
01:07:43.000 So we're going to, at some point, be around a bunch of Christian kids, and she's going to break into this song, and I'm looking forward to that moment of trying to explain that story.
01:07:52.000 Maybe she's referring to a Beatles song.
01:07:53.000 I don't know.
01:07:54.000 I completely bail on her at that point.
01:07:55.000 I don't know where she gets this from.
01:07:56.000 Well, the real issue is you're going to have to mingle with those Christian parents. 0.96
01:07:59.000 The real issue when you have children, besides raising the children, which is, of course, the primary one, teaching them and everything, is dealing with these other parents and seeing...
01:08:09.000 It's really weird when I see people with their kids, see how little they interact with their kids, see how non-appreciative they are of their kids, how they're always distracted.
01:08:21.000 Oh, it's the ring of cell phones around the playground. 0.99
01:08:24.000 Throw your cell phone, go into stupid McDonald's tubes and go play with your kids. 1.00
01:08:29.000 I know a woman who's a psychologist, and she picks up her kid, and she's on her phone while she's picking the kid up. 1.00
01:08:34.000 The kid's trying to talk to her about school, and she's like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, and she's texting.
01:08:39.000 The kid was gone for five hours, and when you're picking him up, you're texting.
01:08:44.000 It's so attractive to us, though.
01:08:47.000 It's so easy to do.
01:08:48.000 It's so easy to ignore.
01:08:49.000 We get so used to the kid being around, and we get so used to our own free time.
01:08:54.000 Oh, my daughter's really good at that.
01:08:55.000 Sorry, Indra, but she's great because, you know, like I'm trying to teach her eye contact, right?
01:08:59.000 Because, you know, when she's a kid, you know, I don't know if they can't focus when they look at you, but they tell stories like they're just watching the biggest disco light show on the planet and you're just like some leaf or something.
01:09:08.000 And so I tried to remind her, you know, eye contact when we're talking that kind of stuff, right?
01:09:13.000 So the other day, of course, and, you know, I try.
01:09:15.000 Oh, Joe, I try, you know, and I, you know, but every now and then, like I get donations.
01:09:18.000 My whole show is just donations, right?
01:09:20.000 No ads or anything.
01:09:21.000 And so, you know, when a donation comes in, it's like, ooh, kibble!
01:09:23.000 You know, like, I'm like the rat with the pellet, you know, like, ooh, kibble, what did I get?
01:09:26.000 And I got this little ka-ching noise that comes in because I'm four.
01:09:29.000 Anyway, so, you know, the ka-ching noise come in, my daughter was telling me something really important for her and all that, and yeah, she's great.
01:09:36.000 She's like four, and she's like, Daddy...
01:09:38.000 Eye contact.
01:09:39.000 Eye contact.
01:09:40.000 You're absolutely right.
01:09:41.000 I'm so sorry how rude that was of me.
01:09:43.000 I apologize.
01:09:43.000 That's hilarious.
01:09:45.000 Yeah, it's fascinating to watch their little brains develop, isn't it?
01:09:47.000 And watch the way they interact with each other and how they see the world and realize that this is how a person is shaped.
01:09:53.000 And this is the number one problem that we have as a race is that we don't respect this process. 0.99
01:09:58.000 And that we also don't respect this process in strangers, especially people that we know are fucked. 0.98
01:10:03.000 People in bad neighborhoods, people in bad circumstances, people in abusive families. 1.00
01:10:08.000 We know they're fucked, and we don't do anything to stop it. 0.96
01:10:11.000 One thing that I keep harping on is that If we have a resource, whether it's oil or gold, we protect that resource and we set up laws and we attach a value to it. 0.98
01:10:23.000 But our number one resource for sure is human beings.
01:10:26.000 We have created all that you see, whether it's laptops or buildings or cars.
01:10:31.000 It's all from a human being.
01:10:32.000 The best way to ensure that that continues to go on is to have less losers in the world.
01:10:38.000 The best way to have less losers is help out kids, educate kids, get on the ball with them very early, and do something as a society to protect them primary. 0.97
01:10:47.000 Before we go into wars, before we go into all this stupid shit that we do to spying on people's fucking emails and looking into their cell phone record, before you do any of that, how about you protect kids first? 0.98
01:10:59.000 That should be of primary importance. 0.99
01:11:01.000 And it should be like one of those things where your kid wants to go out and play.
01:11:04.000 Have you done your homework?
01:11:05.000 You haven't done your homework, you can't play. 0.99
01:11:07.000 It's that fucking simple. 0.99
01:11:08.000 You can't have your wars unless you fix the kids. 0.99
01:11:10.000 Okay?
01:11:12.000 And they're so smart.
01:11:15.000 They're humans.
01:11:16.000 I've had a whole bunch of experts on my show who talk about the native intelligence of kids.
01:11:36.000 I like jazz.
01:11:44.000 Subjective or objective?
01:11:48.000 The other day she was saying to me, Dad, you know, we've talked a lot.
01:11:50.000 She's always asked me about the show.
01:11:52.000 In fact, I should have been taking notes because she's asked me all about you, what's going to be the topic.
01:11:57.000 And I said, you know what?
01:11:59.000 I have no idea.
01:12:00.000 I know it's going to be interesting to chat with Joe.
01:12:02.000 No idea what we're going to talk about.
01:12:04.000 Those are the best conversations.
01:12:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:12:05.000 She's asked all about, you know, where you're from and what you do.
01:12:08.000 And she's fascinated by mixed martial arts and all that kind of stuff.
01:12:11.000 And...
01:12:13.000 And so she's going to ask me all – and I do some shows on economics.
01:12:16.000 And so we talked a little bit about that, you know, money and all that.
01:12:19.000 And I diagram stuff out for her.
01:12:20.000 And she gets it really.
01:12:22.000 We've gone through the whole history of the Second World War.
01:12:23.000 The other day she says, you know what, Daddy?
01:12:25.000 I think I've decided what I want to do.
01:12:27.000 I think when I get bigger, I think I just like to work – I want to be the government.
01:12:33.000 I'd love to be the government because I just – I want to type whatever I want into my bank account.
01:12:39.000 And I was just like, wow, you just nailed the Federal Reserve.
01:12:41.000 Like, right there, in a nutshell.
01:12:43.000 Type whatever I want into my bank account.
01:12:46.000 That is such a four-year-old logic, but perfect.
01:12:49.000 Yeah.
01:12:49.000 It is what it is.
01:12:50.000 They can print their own money.
01:12:52.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.
01:12:52.000 What a great system.
01:12:53.000 Yeah.
01:12:54.000 No, and I come out of the sort of libertarian world, right?
01:12:57.000 So, I mean, I'm an anarchist, but I come out of the libertarian world.
01:13:01.000 And libertarians very much, as we talked about, non-aggression principle and so on.
01:13:04.000 And I've been fighting this battle in the libertarian world and in other worlds as well around, you know, things to me as basic as spanking, right?
01:13:12.000 Yeah.
01:13:12.000 I wasn't sure.
01:13:13.000 We touched on this.
01:13:14.000 We did.
01:13:14.000 We're both in agreement about this.
01:13:16.000 Let me just throw a few stats for the audience who hasn't seen it before.
01:13:19.000 More than 90% of parents of toddlers say they've spanked their child.
01:13:23.000 Toddlers.
01:13:25.000 61% of moms, three to five year olds, have spanked their child in the past week. 0.99
01:13:29.000 Boys are spanked a lot more than girls. 1.00
01:13:31.000 Boys are also diagnosed with ADHD, which is one of the symptoms of spanking, a lot more than girls.
01:13:36.000 Spanking can continue into the adolescent years. 0.98
01:13:38.000 30 to 40% of people in junior high, kids in junior high, are still being spanked. 0.90
01:13:43.000 Moms do spank children a lot more than fathers do, even controlling for time spent with kids and all of that kind of stuff. 1.00
01:13:49.000 Economic status doesn't have a huge amount to do with banking, but culture does.
01:13:53.000 So African Americans do a lot more corporal punishment. 1.00
01:13:56.000 Religious conservatives, fundamentalists do a lot more corporal punishment and so on.
01:14:00.000 And this to me is such a fundamental thing.
01:14:03.000 I'm very much for philosophy that you can do, philosophy that you can act on, values that you can do.
01:14:08.000 I don't like the Federal Reserve.
01:14:09.000 I think central banking is a monstrous cancer in the eyeball of society.
01:14:13.000 I can't really do much about it other than rant and rave about it.
01:14:16.000 But what we can do is, you know, do some basics like stop hitting kids.
01:14:20.000 You know, that to me is a very fundamental thing.
01:14:21.000 And in the libertarian community, that's a challenge.
01:14:24.000 A lot of religious conservatives in the libertarian community, as you know, like on the right among Republicans, there tend to be more religious people on the left as secularists, less religious people, but more socialists and so on.
01:14:35.000 And it is really tough, you know, to just get that basic thing across.
01:14:38.000 We tell kids not to hit each other.
01:14:40.000 And we hit kids and we've all, I don't know, if you're out there, you see bad parenting sometimes when you're out and you actually, and I'll usually say something to the parents because I don't want my, A, I think it's the right thing to do.
01:14:50.000 I don't want my daughter to...
01:14:51.000 See me be all about the ethics and then not talk to people doing something wrong.
01:14:54.000 But you can see parents hit kids saying, don't hit your sister.
01:14:58.000 And the fact that they can do that without their heads exploding from this wormhole contradiction of pretzel logic is just astounding.
01:15:05.000 But it is something we still have a long way to go in.
01:15:08.000 I think we're kind of slowly getting there, but we have a long way to go in just let's not hit kids.
01:15:12.000 I think how much of the world would change if we didn't do that, I think we would be virtually unrecognizable as a culture.
01:15:19.000 I couldn't agree more.
01:15:20.000 You know, I read this article recently on my message board.
01:15:23.000 I don't have it in front of me, so I apologize to whoever posted it.
01:15:26.000 But it was about a man who got stuck in the financial system of divorce, and it was from his perspective.
01:15:32.000 He committed suicide, lit himself on fire.
01:15:34.000 I started reading his perspective, and they came to his house, and he had his initial issue because he slapped his daughter in the mouth so hard that her mouth was bleeding. 0.81
01:15:45.000 And he did it because she was licking his hand. 0.76
01:15:48.000 She kept licking his hand, so he slapped her in the mouth until her mouth was... 1.00
01:15:51.000 And then everything I... I stopped reading right there. 0.97
01:15:53.000 I'm like, I don't want to know this guy.
01:15:55.000 I don't... 1.00
01:15:56.000 I'm sad that he was so fucked up that he committed suicide. 1.00
01:15:59.000 But if I saw a guy slap his daughter in the face because she, you know, was licking his hand, I would have to really suppress my urge to strangle him. 1.00
01:16:07.000 Yeah. 0.95
01:16:08.000 I mean, that's violence.
01:16:10.000 That's violence to someone who cannot defend themselves.
01:16:13.000 And can't leave.
01:16:14.000 Not only that.
01:16:14.000 And didn't choose to be there.
01:16:15.000 Not only that, it's fundamentally the most fucked up kind of violence because you're doing it to a developing human being who you allegedly love. 0.99
01:16:25.000 You're teaching them that violence is a part of life by the people that they respect the most and that it can be done to you at any time when you don't agree with whatever fucking guidelines and rules they've set up. 1.00
01:16:35.000 Licking your hand. 1.00
01:16:36.000 If my daughter was licking my hand, I'd be laughing my ass off. 1.00
01:16:38.000 I would think it's so funny. 1.00
01:16:39.000 The idea that I'd smack her in the mouth is just fucking insane. 0.99
01:16:43.000 But people, they fall into this pattern, and they don't realize that violence is violence. 0.99
01:16:49.000 Just because you're not going to hurt the kid that bad, you're just going to spank him, and you think it's no big deal? 1.00
01:16:53.000 Fuck yeah, it's a big deal. 1.00
01:16:54.000 Because that kid, it's a horrific situation. 1.00
01:16:56.000 You're doing something that they can't control.
01:16:58.000 You're holding their arm.
01:16:59.000 You're moving their body. 1.00
01:17:00.000 And then this big hand comes and slaps their ass. 1.00
01:17:03.000 And they feel pain. 1.00
01:17:04.000 And they feel confused because you've acted out against them.
01:17:06.000 You've not only acted out against them.
01:17:08.000 You've done it aggressively.
01:17:09.000 Yelling and slapping.
01:17:11.000 It's a terrible precedent to set.
01:17:14.000 A terrible idea to plant in a child's mind.
01:17:17.000 And it's unnecessary.
01:17:19.000 It's just not necessary.
01:17:20.000 For you to tell me that you can't sit down and reason with your child and do it with love. 0.98
01:17:25.000 And yeah, they're gonna freak out and fucking flail sometimes and get mad and yell. 1.00
01:17:29.000 That's because they're a fucking child, you piece of shit. 1.00
01:17:33.000 You don't smack them. 1.00
01:17:34.000 It's like hitting someone for being short.
01:17:36.000 Hitting your friends.
01:17:37.000 It's like hitting your friends.
01:17:38.000 Don't hit anybody, man.
01:17:40.000 Well, and in particular, the moral concentration of black-hearted nastiness. 1.00
01:17:46.000 You hit your wife. 0.81
01:17:47.000 She got to date you.
01:17:49.000 You had an engagement.
01:17:51.000 She chose you, and you chose her. 0.61
01:17:53.000 But if you hit your wife, she at least had to test drive you. 1.00
01:17:57.000 And then she can leave at any time.
01:17:59.000 She's an adult.
01:18:00.000 She's got shelters. 1.00
01:18:01.000 She's got whatever.
01:18:01.000 People will help her.
01:18:03.000 Hopefully.
01:18:03.000 But kids, they didn't choose you as parents.
01:18:06.000 Exactly.
01:18:06.000 And they can't leave and they have no options.
01:18:09.000 And I say this to my daughter.
01:18:10.000 I say, I know you're not here by choice.
01:18:14.000 You didn't choose me as a dad.
01:18:15.000 I choose to have kids.
01:18:16.000 You didn't choose me as a dad.
01:18:18.000 The way I have to parent is I want to parent like if my daughter did have a choice of any dad in the world that she would choose me.
01:18:26.000 Ice cream and cookies all day long.
01:18:28.000 Absolutely.
01:18:28.000 And what about feedback?
01:18:32.000 I go to my local pizza joint, half the time I have to fill out...
01:18:35.000 They give me this comment card to fill out.
01:18:37.000 How did you like the pizza?
01:18:39.000 Was it good for you?
01:18:40.000 Was it bad for you?
01:18:40.000 They want to know.
01:18:41.000 They want to have a good pizza.
01:18:43.000 And how many times do parents do that with their kids?
01:18:45.000 Say, how am I doing?
01:18:46.000 You know, how's your experience of my parenting? 0.99
01:18:48.000 You know, what's more important, a fucking slice of pizza or your relationship with your offspring? 0.99
01:18:52.000 You know, ask them how you're doing. 0.99
01:18:53.000 How could today have been better?
01:18:55.000 What did I do that you liked?
01:18:56.000 What did I do that you didn't like and all that?
01:18:58.000 Get that kind of feedback.
01:18:59.000 It's just weird that we don't even think of doing that.
01:19:03.000 Well, I think your perspective is very unique in the fact that you are a stay-at-home dad and you do have the resources to be able to do that.
01:19:10.000 It's really hard for a lot of people, and that's what you were talking about before.
01:19:13.000 That number is pretty crazy.
01:19:14.000 The 20 minutes a week, I didn't know that it was that low.
01:19:17.000 Honestly, not shocked.
01:19:19.000 I don't have a regular life, but I've dabbled in regular life.
01:19:22.000 I've had jobs that take me away for a long period of time during the day, and I can only imagine what kind of energy you have to devote to a kid if the mother, both the mother and the father, Both leave the house all day long, work an eight-hour day, and then come home.
01:19:37.000 How much is left?
01:19:38.000 There's not even much time.
01:19:39.000 The kid's going to be awake.
01:19:41.000 How much energy do you have left?
01:19:42.000 How much focus are you putting on that kid during the day?
01:19:45.000 And we have this, again, a couple more stats.
01:19:48.000 We have this idea that the moms have to be there and the dads can be there.
01:19:53.000 But a study conducted by Dr. Kyle Pruitt found that infants between 7 and 30 months respond more favorably to being picked up by their fathers.
01:20:01.000 He also found a father's parenting style is beneficial for a child's physical, cognitive, and emotional and behavioral development.
01:20:07.000 Mothers tend to reassure toddlers when they become frustrated, while fathers encourage them to manage their frustration.
01:20:12.000 My daughter is like this, so she's learning to do all these things.
01:20:14.000 And most of her friends are older because, you know, we're nothing like youngest parents on the block.
01:20:18.000 And so a lot of her friends can do stuff better than she can.
01:20:21.000 She gets frustrated.
01:20:21.000 And me helping her talk through that frustration and reminding her that I didn't know how to do this stuff.
01:20:26.000 And, you know, she's trying to do racket sports. 1.00
01:20:28.000 And I remember it took me years to become good at racket sports.
01:20:30.000 So that's important for kids as well. 0.65
01:20:34.000 I mean, it's really important to remember, you know, the mom and the kid, they used to be the same freaking person.
01:20:39.000 You know, like she grew her.
01:20:42.000 It's like my arm, you know.
01:20:43.000 It's not like a separate thing.
01:20:44.000 Whereas dads have a little bit more objectivity around that.
01:20:47.000 A longer-term study that this guy did proved that a father's active involvement with his kids from birth to adolescence promotes greater emotional balance, stronger curiosity, a stronger sense of self-assurance.
01:20:57.000 Additional studies, during the first five years of a child's life, the father's role is more influential than the mother's.
01:21:02.000 In how the child learns to manage his or her body, navigate social circumstances, and play.
01:21:07.000 And the last one is this is a 1996 study that I was referring to before by McGill University.
01:21:12.000 The single most important childhood factor in developing empathy is paternal involvement in child care.
01:21:17.000 The study further concluded that children who spend time alone bonding with their children more than twice per week brought up the most compassionate adults.
01:21:25.000 How do they measure that?
01:21:26.000 How is that quantifiable?
01:21:28.000 Trevor Burrus It seems like a weird – all those statistics seem very odd.
01:21:31.000 It's like how do you know what caused a person to have more empathy?
01:21:35.000 How do you know what caused a person to be able to move better?
01:21:38.000 I mean how do you – how do you prove that?
01:21:41.000 Aaron Ross Powell Again, it's sort of a many-to-many relationship.
01:21:43.000 So they ask the fathers, you know, how often were you involved and maybe they even measure them if it's sort of a live study and then they measure the compassion and then they measure a whole bunch of other things.
01:21:52.000 And if the other things don't change the compassion measure but then the parental involvement is what moves the needle, Then they assume that that's close to causal.
01:21:59.000 But isn't the issue also that parental involvement, like say if a father is involved a lot in the kid's life, he's also probably likely involved in the relationship with the wife, and maybe the wife would be more happy.
01:22:10.000 The father and the wife would be more happy, and because of that, they would both be better parents.
01:22:15.000 So it might not just be that the impact of having a man around does all these things and creates empathy.
01:22:20.000 It might be the impact of having a successful family as well.
01:22:23.000 Right, right.
01:22:24.000 And that certainly is true.
01:22:25.000 And again, I didn't run the studies.
01:22:27.000 I assume that they've tried.
01:22:28.000 Like whenever you question this, oh, we tried to tease it out this way or that way.
01:22:31.000 And they do try to find that answer.
01:22:33.000 But I do think that compassion, again, you know, I mean, you're married, you've got kids floating around and all that.
01:22:42.000 They're not floating, but they're...
01:22:43.000 But they were floating at one point and then they came out through the magic chamber.
01:22:49.000 But I think, you know, I mean, my wife's skills as a parent are fantastic, but there are some differences between us, you know, and I don't know whether it's biological or whether it's just the way we're raised or whatever, but, you know, I encourage more risk-taking.
01:23:03.000 I encourage, you know, if you fall off the horse, get back up on again kind of stuff, and I think that's just kind of a natural kind of difference, and I'm also more encouraging of, you know, my daughter is Like crazy friendly.
01:23:14.000 I keep thinking she's going to go up to someone, sometimes an unfriendly world, like a cheese up to a grater, you know, and just kind of get shredded because, you know, we go places and she just goes up to kids and says, Hi, would you like to be friends?
01:23:24.000 That's cool, though.
01:23:25.000 It's just fantastic.
01:23:26.000 That would be how the whole world would work.
01:23:28.000 I'd love it.
01:23:29.000 Wouldn't that be great?
01:23:29.000 If everybody was on ecstasy, that's how we would interact with each other.
01:23:32.000 And that was one of the things that we got a little bit off topic, but one of the things that I wanted to complete this thought on when you were talking about antidepressants and we were talking about the good and the bad of them.
01:23:44.000 I think right now, one of the issues that we have with this idea of manipulating human neurochemistry is that it's not really done.
01:23:52.000 It's not a complete art form yet.
01:23:54.000 It's not something like dyeing your hair.
01:23:57.000 Like if your hair is gray and you want to have black hair, you simply go to the market and you buy some hair color and you put it in your hair and now your hair is black. 0.96
01:24:03.000 It really is that fucking easy. 0.92
01:24:05.000 I mean, they've got it down to a science. 1.00
01:24:06.000 You see guys that are fucking 80 years old and they have jet black hair and it looks ridiculous. 1.00
01:24:10.000 The Reagan. 0.98
01:24:11.000 Yeah, but I think we do have the potential, just like we have mastered virtually every other aspect of our world that we live in, whether it's high-speed communication or the ability to, you know, combustion engines, lithium-ion batteries.
01:24:25.000 One day they're going to figure out how to engineer consciousness, and you have this...
01:24:28.000 You have this opportunity to take a pill or get a shot or whatever and you have ultimate clarity and you fucking think much better and you're a better person. 0.99
01:24:37.000 I keep swinging my hands through the air and knocking shit onto my keyboard. 1.00
01:24:41.000 I am literally retarded when it comes to that. 0.93
01:24:44.000 I'm looking for something to hand you. 0.96
01:24:45.000 I got nothing.
01:24:45.000 No, we're alright.
01:24:46.000 We're alright.
01:24:46.000 I got some paper towels here.
01:24:47.000 It didn't really get on anything.
01:24:49.000 It just got a little bit on my screen.
01:24:50.000 But I think that one day they're going to have the ability to do what we would like them to be able to do.
01:24:55.000 To figure out how to engineer human consciousness ideally.
01:24:59.000 To make in a pill form or in, you know, I mean, in a shot or in some sort of genetic manipulation.
01:25:06.000 I think that...
01:25:07.000 Is that possible?
01:25:07.000 Is that bad?
01:25:09.000 Is that going to take away from being a human being?
01:25:11.000 I think that would be a great tragedy.
01:25:13.000 Why is that? 0.97
01:25:13.000 If we made it awesome, in pill form, life would be fucking literally everything we've been searching for. 0.97
01:25:20.000 No struggle, just boom. 0.73
01:25:22.000 That's like everyone being born with a billion dollars.
01:25:24.000 Is it though?
01:25:25.000 No resistance.
01:25:26.000 We have that.
01:25:27.000 We know that to a large degree.
01:25:28.000 I think that we know that to a large degree.
01:25:30.000 With our current state of consciousness.
01:25:32.000 What I'm saying is if we engineered it past this ape-monkey paradigm that we live in right now, and boom, with one shot, they give you this Buddha thing. 1.00
01:25:41.000 It's called the Buddha shot.
01:25:42.000 Would you take it?
01:25:43.000 I might, probably.
01:25:44.000 You would?
01:25:44.000 I don't know if everybody else was taking it.
01:25:47.000 Because you're a natural follower.
01:25:49.000 Yeah, I'm a follower.
01:25:49.000 Yeah, absolutely.
01:25:50.000 I think I would consider it.
01:25:52.000 I would want to know what the results were.
01:25:53.000 Would you want your kids to take it?
01:25:54.000 I would want to know what the results were.
01:25:56.000 Look, if the entire world took it and then we would engineer consciousness past this stage where we are now and completely restructure society to have no evil, no problems, we think that we have to have a yang to have a yin, and in our current state we do.
01:26:09.000 But is that the ultimate end-all?
01:26:11.000 Are we not continually evolving?
01:26:12.000 Is this life that we live now not much easier and safer than it was living in the time of Genghis Khan? 0.95
01:26:18.000 Well, it certainly is.
01:26:19.000 Well, isn't it arguable that a thousand years from now it would adapt and change and become something different than it is now?
01:26:26.000 We have the technology.
01:26:27.000 We can rebuild it.
01:26:29.000 And none of your audience know Six Million Dollar Man references, do they?
01:26:32.000 I bet a few of them do.
01:26:33.000 A few of them do, right.
01:26:34.000 Barely alive.
01:26:35.000 That's right.
01:26:36.000 Gentlemen, we can rebuild him.
01:26:37.000 We have the technology.
01:26:38.000 I met him recently.
01:26:39.000 Very nice guy.
01:26:40.000 Did you really?
01:26:40.000 Wow.
01:26:41.000 I think he's a pretty fun guy.
01:26:43.000 But anyway.
01:26:43.000 It was pretty cool to meet him.
01:26:44.000 I imagine, yeah. 0.99
01:26:45.000 Like, holy shit. 0.99
01:26:46.000 How was his handshake? 1.00
01:26:47.000 He's very firm.
01:26:47.000 He's a man.
01:26:48.000 I imagine it would be.
01:26:49.000 Steve Austin.
01:26:50.000 Lee Majors, great guy.
01:26:52.000 MMA fan.
01:26:53.000 I think we do have that.
01:26:55.000 I think we have that.
01:26:57.000 Okay, so let me ask you a question.
01:26:58.000 You think we have it now, the ability to engineer consciousness?
01:27:01.000 Yeah, I mean, neuroplasticity and focusing on what I would argue is the old Aristotelian idea that we look for something called eudomania or happiness.
01:27:11.000 And happiness is, according to Aristotle, happiness is the one thing we seek for its own sake, right?
01:27:16.000 Like, we don't...
01:27:19.000 We get on a bus to go somewhere, right?
01:27:21.000 We take a cab to get home.
01:27:22.000 And once we're home, we've arrived there and we don't stay on the bus or stay on the cab.
01:27:25.000 And most things we do in life are there to pursue happiness, right?
01:27:29.000 Like I came here because it's sunny.
01:27:31.000 No, I came here for you.
01:27:33.000 I came here for you.
01:27:33.000 And the sun.
01:27:34.000 And you.
01:27:34.000 And the sun.
01:27:35.000 Both together.
01:27:36.000 It makes it very easy.
01:27:37.000 I really enjoyed our last conversation and I think it was great to get the messages out that I think are really important for people.
01:27:43.000 And so I came down here because it will make me happy.
01:27:46.000 So far...
01:27:47.000 You and the coffee have made me very happy.
01:27:50.000 I'm not saying necessarily in that order, but they're both in the mix.
01:27:53.000 Caveman coffee works.
01:27:54.000 It really is good stuff, I'll tell you that.
01:27:57.000 I knew that you were going to butter me up.
01:27:59.000 Yeah, that's how I do it.
01:28:00.000 I butter people up.
01:28:02.000 Literally.
01:28:29.000 But I think to achieve happiness, we pursue virtue, which is we act to do good.
01:28:36.000 We fight the bad guys.
01:28:37.000 We try and reform the people on the fence.
01:28:39.000 We try and encourage those in pursuit of virtue.
01:28:42.000 Let me ask you this question.
01:28:45.000 How is your conscience?
01:28:47.000 This thing that you accumulate, this sort of unconscious thing that accumulates the good and bad that you've done in your life.
01:28:51.000 My conscience is pretty easy.
01:28:53.000 I think I've done some things wrong.
01:28:54.000 I think I've done a lot of things right.
01:28:55.000 My conscience is pretty easy.
01:28:57.000 How is your conscience?
01:28:58.000 Do you think in sort of the sum total, you know that thing you go in front of St. Peter at the end of your life and he tallies up sort of the good and bad?
01:29:05.000 How is your conscience as far as that goes?
01:29:07.000 Well, fortunately, I engage in not so frequent but quite strong psychedelic activities.
01:29:15.000 Like roller coasters with your eyes closed?
01:29:17.000 Yes.
01:29:18.000 Well, the most common one for me is sensory deprivation tank.
01:29:22.000 I do that all the time.
01:29:23.000 So you face yourself in that environment without distractions, right?
01:29:27.000 Yes, you certainly do.
01:29:29.000 And that's one of the more challenging aspects of it.
01:29:31.000 One of the things that people are most afraid of because of that.
01:29:34.000 And I certainly have done things wrong.
01:29:37.000 I certainly have made mistakes.
01:29:39.000 And I certainly think that those mistakes have given me more empathy, more understanding, more objectivity.
01:29:45.000 And the analysis of those mistakes have made me a better person.
01:29:57.000 I think?
01:30:07.000 Not zombies, right?
01:30:07.000 They're coming to get you, right?
01:30:09.000 Who I am right now, yes, my conscience is clear.
01:30:11.000 The way I treat people now, yeah, 100%.
01:30:13.000 I try to be very nice.
01:30:15.000 As we talked about before, I think you do a lot of good in the world.
01:30:17.000 You bring a lot of, I think, good thinkers to people's attention, hopefully myself included.
01:30:20.000 I think that through your comedies we talked about before, I think you give people a very empathetic relationship to their own physicality and bring sort of some of the secret stuff in people's lives into the open and have them have good humor about it.
01:30:31.000 So, I think you do a lot of good and I think that's, would you say that you're quite happy?
01:30:36.000 Well, yeah, I'm very happy.
01:30:37.000 And I think that that good, though, is a very reciprocal, it's a very even relationship between audience and me.
01:30:44.000 I think I easily get as much out of this podcast as the people who listen to it do.
01:30:49.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why it's so harmonious and one of the reasons why it's so easy to do.
01:30:53.000 And also one of the reasons why the relationship that I have with the audience when I meet them is like I think they know that I'm as happy about all this as they are and the people that it's benefited their lives and they've been exposed to all these different people like yourself and other interesting people that I've had on the show.
01:31:09.000 I have also been exposed to those people, been exposed to you, been exposed to whether it's Sam Hatteras or Amit Goswami, the theoretical physicist, or all these different fascinating people that I've had on the podcast.
01:31:21.000 Graham Hancock, Ad Nauseam, Joey Diaz.
01:31:23.000 All these people have made my life a more fascinating life, for sure.
01:31:28.000 It's been a completely mutual beneficial situation.
01:31:31.000 So when you say you've done a lot of good, well, it's done a lot of good for me.
01:31:35.000 So I really think it's a very even...
01:31:37.000 Win-win, right?
01:31:38.000 Yeah, it's a completely even exchange.
01:31:40.000 What I've found is a path that I find to be both fascinating and enjoyable, and I've gone down that path.
01:31:48.000 I've been very fortunate to find it and then pursue it.
01:31:50.000 And that's unusual, you know, for your profession, right?
01:31:53.000 I mean, it's not like there are a lot of comedians who do or public figures and so on who bring intellectuals to a mainstream audience.
01:32:01.000 Well, that's because I've kind of resisted the idea of being pigeonholed into one sort of occupation.
01:32:06.000 I mean, what I do is just I'm a person and there's a bunch of things that I enjoy.
01:32:10.000 Right.
01:32:11.000 You know, one of the things that I enjoy is hunting, this thing that I've really become fascinated with lately.
01:32:15.000 That's, for a lot of people, it's repulsive.
01:32:17.000 I've had, you know, incredible insults.
01:32:19.000 But they don't eat burgers?
01:32:20.000 I mean, where do they think they come from?
01:32:21.000 Well, not only that.
01:32:22.000 There's the do the least harm principle. 0.99
01:32:26.000 It's really kind of fucked. 0.97
01:32:28.000 But the reality of farming is that unless you're organically farming in your own garden... 0.99
01:32:32.000 You're actually killing more animals per pound of grain and per pound of rice than you do per pound of beef. 0.99
01:32:40.000 It's really kind of fucked. 0.98
01:32:42.000 There's some study on it, like how many animals get ground up in those machines that they use to churn up crops and how much displacement they do to the natural habitat of certain animals when you plant crops. 0.99
01:32:58.000 It's ideal if you can grow your own stuff.
01:33:00.000 If you can grow your own stuff and you want to be a vegan, you want to have the smallest footprint possible, that's the way to do it.
01:33:06.000 Grow your own stuff and make sure that you don't harm anything in the cultivation of your fruits and vegetables.
01:33:14.000 But if you don't, boy, you're still participating, whether you believe it or not, you're participating.
01:33:19.000 You're participating in slaughter.
01:33:21.000 Well, yeah.
01:33:21.000 I mean, I have some sympathy.
01:33:23.000 And again, if you can do less harm, I think that's great.
01:33:26.000 After high school, I wanted some money for school.
01:33:28.000 I ended up going up to work in northern Ontario, like past the tree line where you had to fly in to do claim staking and gold panning and all that kind of stuff. 0.99
01:33:38.000 You know, when you're really in Mother Nature, and this was like, you know, minus 50 degree weather in a tent for months, I mean, when you're really in Mother Nature, you realize she's kind of a bitch. 0.99
01:33:49.000 She doesn't give a fuck about you, and she'll let you freeze to death. 1.00
01:33:51.000 Like, she'll just, you know, a fucking tree will fall on your head, and that's it for you. 1.00
01:33:54.000 I mean, you know, it's really, you know, one time we got snowed in. 0.99
01:33:59.000 Like, we couldn't get the plane in with supplies.
01:34:02.000 And you realize, like, you're looking at a box of food, and you're like, you know, when we're out of this, it's getting all kinds of, like, stuck on a mountain looking at people.
01:34:10.000 I actually was thinking, you know, you see those, these are Looney Tunes cartoons, so again, for your younger audience members, please ask your parents.
01:34:17.000 You know, like, some guy's really hungry, and he looks across at some other guy, and he turns into, like, this steaming chicken wing or something like that.
01:34:23.000 You couldn't do that today.
01:34:24.000 You couldn't make that cartoon today.
01:34:25.000 No, you couldn't, but...
01:34:26.000 I was looking.
01:34:26.000 There was one guy who was kind of plump in the camp, and he actually just started to look well-marbled to me.
01:34:32.000 I didn't think of him as fat anymore.
01:34:33.000 I thought of him as nutritious.
01:34:34.000 When things get ugly, people do tend to start leaning towards survival.
01:34:40.000 Yeah, and a lot of times we like nature because we are a comfortable distance from it.
01:34:45.000 You know, like we've got our air conditioning, we've got our antibiotics, we've got, you know, the people in the Middle Ages, you know, they were really close to nature and we died like flies. 1.00
01:34:53.000 You know, like childbirth was fatal to like half the women. 0.99
01:34:57.000 How about the whole, every fucking story has a big bad wolf in it. 1.00
01:35:00.000 And the reason being is that wolves were fucking killing people on a regular basis. 1.00
01:35:04.000 Until people figured out firearms, wolves were killing people like crazy. 0.99
01:35:09.000 It was a really common thing for people to get killed by wolves. 1.00
01:35:12.000 You know, one stupid ass flea comes across in a rat from the Middle East and suddenly a third of Europe is dying from the Black Death. 1.00
01:35:19.000 I mean, nature is great to visit, but it's not a fucking Ansel Adams poster. 1.00
01:35:25.000 I mean, she is a sociopathic bitch who will wipe you out as soon as look at you. 1.00
01:35:28.000 There's a story from 1450 that I've told on the podcast once before, but in this line of thinking. 0.99
01:35:36.000 There's a series of murders in Paris in 1450 by wolves.
01:35:42.000 I guess it's not murders.
01:35:43.000 I guess it's just predatory.
01:35:46.000 They killed 40 people. 1.00
01:35:47.000 Wolves killed 40 fucking people in Paris in 1450. And we are no different to them than a caribou or anything else that they can eat. 1.00
01:35:57.000 It's just when we have protected ourselves completely...
01:36:00.000 With cities and cars and guns and all these things, then it doesn't become an issue and then we look at them and like, oh, beautiful nature. 0.88
01:36:08.000 But that beautiful nature gives zero fucks about you and will absolutely eat your baby in front of you. 1.00
01:36:13.000 Oh, yeah. 0.97
01:36:14.000 They have no problem with it, whether it's a fox.
01:36:16.000 In London, they actually have had issues recently where foxes have broken into children's bedrooms and attacked the children while they're sleeping.
01:36:24.000 Or rats, babies in Harlem.
01:36:26.000 I mean, rats will just eat the baby's face off. 1.00
01:36:28.000 I mean, they're just monstrous.
01:36:29.000 It's so heartless and it's all about survival.
01:36:33.000 And we've eradicated that.
01:36:35.000 And I love it.
01:36:36.000 I love being at the top of the food chain.
01:36:38.000 I'm sorry that we had to kill a whole bunch of stuff to get here, but at the beginning it was us or them.
01:36:43.000 I'm glad that some comet came and took the heads off the dinosaurs because otherwise we'd just be little rodents that they're eating.
01:36:48.000 I'm sorry that we're on top of a big pile of bodies, but I'd rather be on top than in them. 0.98
01:36:53.000 I have no problem with killing dinosaurs.
01:36:55.000 I have no problem with the meteor that killed or the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.
01:36:59.000 I'm happy that it happened.
01:37:00.000 It's like the big mammalian airstrike from outer space. 0.69
01:37:03.000 Let's make some room in the food chain.
01:37:04.000 We've got to grow, people.
01:37:05.000 We've got a podcast to do in four billion years.
01:37:07.000 I used to have this bit about these people that I talked to once that were working to save the Komodo dragon.
01:37:12.000 They were going to the Komodo Islands.
01:37:14.000 They were doing this work to make sure the Komodo dragon populations are good and healthy.
01:37:17.000 I'm like...
01:37:19.000 What? 1.00
01:37:20.000 Why would you want those heartless fucking monsters? 1.00
01:37:23.000 Get a few of them, stick them in the zoo, shoot the rest of them in the head. 1.00
01:37:27.000 They're fucking evil. 1.00
01:37:29.000 These are evil reptiles. 1.00
01:37:30.000 Oh, they're so evil.
01:37:31.000 Tell me, tell me why. 1.00
01:37:32.000 They're horrible monsters.
01:37:34.000 I don't know much about Komodo dragons.
01:37:35.000 They're the biggest lizards on the planet, and they eat water buffalo, people, anything on that island. 0.69
01:37:39.000 They eat buffaloes? 0.99
01:37:40.000 Oh, fuck yeah, they do. 1.00
01:37:41.000 They eat them by biting them. 1.00
01:37:43.000 They're huge.
01:37:43.000 They're enormous.
01:37:44.000 You've never seen a Komodo dragon?
01:37:46.000 Jamie, pull up a photo of a Komodo dragon's mouth.
01:37:48.000 They used to think that they carried botulism in their saliva.
01:37:51.000 That used to be what they thought.
01:37:52.000 But now they realize that what happens is the environment that Komodo dragons live in is so hot and tropical and that a lot of times they're biting into water buffalo and all these different things that are exposed to moisture. 0.95
01:38:02.000 And it's just the septic nature of their environment because water buffaloes piss and shit in the water that they live in. 0.68
01:38:07.000 And then when this Komodo dragon bites them, he opens up their flesh and the blood gets exposed to all the toxins. 0.86
01:38:13.000 And they just sit in the teeth waiting for whatever the next bite.
01:38:16.000 So they're not actually venomous.
01:38:17.000 They're just like disgustingly unclean.
01:38:19.000 Look at that image. 0.99
01:38:21.000 The evil saliva. 1.00
01:38:23.000 One of them, though, bit Sharon Stone's husband on the foot, this dumb fuck. 1.00
01:38:28.000 He got into a cage with a Komodo dragon, and he had white socks on, and the thing thought his foot was a rabbit, so it clamped down on his foot and wouldn't let go, and he almost lost his foot. 1.00
01:38:38.000 It's really, they're really fucking dangerous.
01:38:40.000 Okay, let's go back to that part where he got into a cage with a Komodo dragon. 0.95
01:38:44.000 Oh, it's so cute!
01:38:46.000 I would do it if I was in a tank.
01:38:48.000 Oh, man.
01:38:48.000 I'd get in a cage with it, and I had a samurai sword.
01:38:51.000 The Get the fuck out of here. 0.99
01:38:52.000 Those things are horrifying.
01:38:53.000 But these people that I met were really dedicating all of their time and effort. 1.00
01:38:58.000 And I'm like, that is fascinating, but those fucking lizards don't give a shit about you, buddy. 0.99
01:39:02.000 Now, I can understand it if there's some big ecosystem thing. 0.99
01:39:05.000 Yes, I can as well.
01:39:06.000 You know, like where they got rid of the predators in Australia, I think it was, and then basically the rabbits just ate the entire continent.
01:39:13.000 So if there's some balance in nature thing, I think that's fine, but...
01:39:18.000 I am very, very glad to not be around wild animals.
01:39:23.000 You know, like when I was working up north, we had to be armed because, I mean, there are bears who might not have had a meal in like a month.
01:39:30.000 Yes.
01:39:31.000 And they don't care. 0.99
01:39:32.000 Like, they'll just come and rip your face off and eat it.
01:39:35.000 And that's, you know, wolves and all that, we really had to be careful out there.
01:39:40.000 And this, you know, so all the people who are like nature is basically cuddly.
01:39:44.000 It's like, That's great.
01:39:45.000 That's because you go hiking in Yellowstone on clearly marked paths when people have cleared all the predators away.
01:39:50.000 And, you know, not even Yellowstone.
01:39:52.000 Yosemite, maybe, because they have black bears.
01:39:55.000 But Alex Honnold, do you know who he is?
01:39:58.000 He's the climber.
01:39:59.000 He's one of the world's best free climbers.
01:40:02.000 Was he on like...
01:40:03.000 He was on the podcast.
01:40:06.000 I got Yellowstone confused with Yosemite and we were talking about bear deaths. 0.98
01:40:09.000 I'm like, man, bears have fucking died in Yosemite, right? 0.90
01:40:12.000 And he was like, no, no bears have died. 0.97
01:40:15.000 I didn't know that there's two different... 0.98
01:40:17.000 In my head, Yellowstone and Yosemite became the same thing because two people over the last couple of years were killed in Yellowstone by grizzlies and just fucking hikers. 0.99
01:40:27.000 Just people wandering around and you run into a bear in the wrong situation and That is a giant 1,800-pound monster, or 1,200-pound, or 800-pound, whatever the fuck it is. 0.99
01:40:38.000 They're bears. 0.98
01:40:39.000 They're enormous.
01:40:40.000 Think of a giant dog, an 800-pound dog that wants to eat you.
01:40:43.000 It's going to eat you. 1.00
01:40:44.000 You're fucked. 1.00
01:40:45.000 And you can't get away. 1.00
01:40:46.000 You can't get away.
01:40:46.000 They can push over the trees.
01:40:48.000 They can climb up.
01:40:48.000 You cannot get away from those guys.
01:40:50.000 They can run up trees.
01:40:51.000 They run straight up a tree.
01:40:53.000 I mean, black bears especially can run up a tree like a cat.
01:40:56.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:40:57.000 Oh, and I remember being in a tent, again, in the middle of nowhere.
01:41:02.000 I was with this tiny Japanese woman who was, like, incredibly strong.
01:41:07.000 She was literally, like, made of muscle.
01:41:09.000 It was astounding.
01:41:10.000 Anyway, and we were in this tent, and I heard this...
01:41:15.000 You know, snuffling around.
01:41:16.000 And, you know, we did all that.
01:41:17.000 We hung the food and the trees and all that.
01:41:19.000 You don't want any food around, obviously, when you're sleeping and this kind of stuff.
01:41:23.000 And, I mean, you literally think, this is my last 20 seconds on this planet.
01:41:28.000 You know, this is it.
01:41:29.000 You know, this thing.
01:41:30.000 Because, you know, even if you're armed, there's only so much you can do.
01:41:33.000 Well, you have to get off a shot very quickly, and you have to hope that it scares the bear away.
01:41:38.000 Because if you just shoot them, unless you have a really high-powered rifle, like a pistol, like a.38, a shotgun's not good enough. 0.65
01:41:46.000 It's not going to kill him. 0.97
01:41:46.000 But what it will do is it will annoy him to the point where he'll kill you quicker, so there won't be a lot of suffering. 0.97
01:41:52.000 So, you know, it'll rip your own head off, and you won't get to see your own demise. 1.00
01:41:56.000 You might be better off putting the gun in your mouth. 1.00
01:41:59.000 Probably, yeah. 1.00
01:42:00.000 That might be the move.
01:42:01.000 But the problem is then they can't identify you with dental records because your teeth are sprayed out all over the forest.
01:42:07.000 So stuff like that gives you a pretty healthy appreciation for the bears killed dogs near the camp and stuff.
01:42:14.000 It's seriously dangerous stuff out there.
01:42:17.000 I'm very happy to live in a civilized area where I can go visit nature, and nature is absolutely beautiful when it is not trying to kill you.
01:42:26.000 It's like the ocean is beautiful.
01:42:28.000 I love scuba diving and snortling, flying over the coral.
01:42:33.000 As long as nothing's taking your leg off, it's a beautiful, beautiful experience.
01:42:36.000 But that taking the leg off thing is a pretty important part of the equation, and people forget it who spend a lot of time in cities.
01:42:42.000 Yeah, people do forget it.
01:42:43.000 That taking your leg off is a real thing.
01:42:45.000 That's something you have to think about when you go swimming anywhere in the world where there's sharks.
01:42:49.000 You know, you might think that it's not going to happen to you because it hasn't happened to that guy or that guy or this person on the surfboard over there.
01:42:55.000 Look, this person's snorkeling.
01:42:56.000 I'm fine.
01:42:57.000 No, you're not.
01:42:58.000 You're rolling the dice.
01:42:59.000 It could happen.
01:43:00.000 It's like, if you go into the woods, the idea that somehow or another these millions of sharks are going to avoid you, likely yes, because there's so much real estate.
01:43:09.000 But it's like, if we knew that werewolves were real, but there was only one of them, and it was out in the woods, how often would you go in the woods? 0.97
01:43:16.000 When it was a full moon, you would never fucking go in the woods. 0.99
01:43:19.000 Because you'd go, fuck, what if I picked the wrong night in the wrong place and I get out there and the wolfman is right there and he eats me? 1.00
01:43:25.000 Well, the fucking sharks are sharks all day, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. 1.00
01:43:32.000 The wolfman is only the wolfman once a month. 1.00
01:43:34.000 And you know that we're not that terrified of nature because all the kids' toys are like cute predators.
01:43:40.000 You know that old song, if you go down to the woods tonight, you're in for a big surprise?
01:43:45.000 Because the teddy bears are having a picnic.
01:43:47.000 But the real end of that story is...
01:43:51.000 I know.
01:43:51.000 Isn't it funny that a teddy bear is like a – that is so common.
01:43:56.000 It's a completely common toy.
01:43:57.000 But it's only common now.
01:43:59.000 I don't think they had bear toys when bears could kill you.
01:44:02.000 I bet you're right.
01:44:03.000 Now that there's no bears around, they can be cute and cuddly and you can have the Lion King and all of that because nobody's around lions.
01:44:09.000 But in Africa, people still get regularly eaten by lions.
01:44:12.000 I bet you there are not a lot of lion toys lying around that are cute and cuddly.
01:44:16.000 I bet you're right.
01:44:17.000 And if you think about some of the animals that we have...
01:44:19.000 What's the term?
01:44:22.000 Anthropomorphism, is that it?
01:44:23.000 When you take a person...
01:44:24.000 You project human characteristics onto a non-human thing.
01:44:27.000 Think about, like, Tony the Tiger.
01:44:29.000 They're great!
01:44:30.000 He's talking about your children. 1.00
01:44:32.000 He's a fucking asshole. 1.00
01:44:33.000 They're great to eat. 1.00
01:44:34.000 Why are you making him cute? 1.00
01:44:36.000 They're tigers!
01:44:37.000 Because we don't have any tigers around.
01:44:39.000 They're in zoos and you take pictures.
01:44:40.000 There's a fun fact about India.
01:44:42.000 There's a place called the Sundarbans where tigers have killed 300,000 people over the last 200 years.
01:44:47.000 300,000 people have been killed by tigers in the Sundarbans.
01:44:51.000 It's so incredible. 0.51
01:44:53.000 I had a bit about it on one of my past comedy specials because it's such a ridiculous statistic. 0.86
01:44:57.000 Wow.
01:44:58.000 One tiger killed three men in a boat of five, swam out to the boat, killed a man, dragged him back to the water, to the beach, jumped back in the water, killed another guy, and did it three times before he either got bored or they got away from him.
01:45:11.000 Or full.
01:45:11.000 Yeah.
01:45:12.000 I mean, they swim incredibly fast and they're really aggressive.
01:45:15.000 And they've got these teeth that can tell where your jugular is. 0.79
01:45:17.000 Yes, they're sensitive.
01:45:18.000 Yeah.
01:45:18.000 I mean, that's some sensitive stuff.
01:45:21.000 Yeah, they adjust.
01:45:22.000 Well, that's what they're designed for.
01:45:23.000 You know, I mean, they are literally designed to clean up.
01:45:26.000 Anything that's slow, they're there as population control.
01:45:30.000 That's what they're there for.
01:45:31.000 And also making sure the herd stays strong.
01:45:34.000 You know, get rid of the slowest and the sickest and the oldest and keep the herd strong.
01:45:37.000 We don't like to think of it that way, but again, this is the yin and the yang.
01:45:40.000 If you gave the tigers a pill and made everything groovy and there's no more need to hunt, what would we have?
01:45:45.000 Would we have nature?
01:45:46.000 But the real question is, if we are going to engineer that, what are we going to do with the natural world?
01:45:54.000 What are we going to do with the bears and the tigers and the crocodiles?
01:45:57.000 Well, I mean, of course, the natural human predators.
01:46:00.000 You know, there's this weird idea, and I think it comes out of religion that...
01:46:03.000 I mean, there's a couple of things that are problematic...
01:46:07.000 Which come out of religion, and some of them are obviously kind of obvious, but some of them I think are more subtle.
01:46:11.000 The issue of the soul, to me, is always really interesting.
01:46:14.000 In the religious idea, and not all religions, but a lot of religions, you have this eternal part of you called the soul, which is uncorruptible.
01:46:23.000 And so when they say that he's a bad guy but if you reach through, if you connect with him, there's good in him somewhere and all that kind of stuff.
01:46:31.000 I think that's a really dangerous idea and it scientifically seems to be entirely false.
01:46:36.000 People who are sociopaths don't get better.
01:46:38.000 They don't perform. 0.76
01:46:39.000 They will become cunning.
01:46:40.000 But they've tried everything.
01:46:42.000 They've tried injecting sociopaths with LSD and subjecting them to like – Bullets are the cure for sociopaths and murders.
01:46:49.000 They're pretty common, like one in 25 people.
01:46:52.000 I've come across them.
01:46:53.000 Yeah, I've certainly come across them too. 0.90
01:46:55.000 And these are the human predators.
01:46:57.000 And I mean, it's fairly easy to create them if you really traumatize a whole lot of kids.
01:47:03.000 A lot of them came out of Ceausescu's Romania because he banned abortion.
01:47:08.000 And a lot of women who would otherwise have had abortions put these kids into these orphanages where they were fed and taken care of, but nobody ever touched them.
01:47:15.000 And then I think it was in France, when this came out, a whole bunch of French families adopted these Romanian orphanages' kids, and they were strangling their cats, and they were throwing their other kids out of windows and stuff, and they were just...
01:47:25.000 Jesus Christ.
01:47:26.000 And they were unfixable, completely unfixable.
01:47:28.000 From the jump?
01:47:29.000 I mean, like, how old were they when they adopted them?
01:47:32.000 Usually, it's within...
01:47:33.000 If you do this...
01:47:34.000 If it's after two or three years, it's usually irreversible, because, you know, the brain development, the development of...
01:47:39.000 Oh, my God.
01:47:40.000 So, two to three years in their psychopaths.
01:47:42.000 Empathy is...
01:47:44.000 10 to 12 different brain centers all have to fire in harmony.
01:47:48.000 And you also have to develop these things called mirror neurons, which are, I think, completely fascinating.
01:47:52.000 The biological basis of empathy, completely geeky, fascinating to me.
01:47:55.000 But since empathy, I think, is the most important resource in the world, if you have that, all other resources will be taken care of.
01:48:01.000 But mirror neurons are, if you see someone take a nut shot, You go, oh, you know, like you kind of get it in your body.
01:48:09.000 Those are mirror neurons.
01:48:10.000 And you can make them or deny them in monkeys very easily, right?
01:48:14.000 I mean, if you just give them all the food and drink that they need, but you just give them like a simulated mom, like that doesn't actually interact with them and you isolate them and We're good to go.
01:48:39.000 If you stick your tongue out at a baby, it will stick its tongue out back at you, which is a completely freaky thing to do when you think about it.
01:48:45.000 They've never seen a tongue.
01:48:46.000 They don't know that you have the same.
01:48:48.000 So if you develop mirror neurons, then you won't get sociopathy because you'll have empathy, right?
01:48:53.000 And people who spank fundamentally are acting against empathy and they're teaching their children to act against empathy because you're doing exactly what your child desperately does not want you to do.
01:49:01.000 And so you're really screwing with empathy and so on.
01:49:05.000 And so the development of – the non-development of mirror neurons appears to be something that cannot be corrected later in life.
01:49:12.000 It's just this – it's like if you don't get exposed to language between like two and five, you just never really learn it.
01:49:18.000 Wow, that's so crazy.
01:49:19.000 And this is why when I talk about fixing the world or having a paradise on earth, which relative to what we have now I think we can have, it's a multigenerational process because if the kids are screwed up that early, it appears to be irreversible and all you can do is manage the symptoms, you know, through – Prison or whatever it is.
01:49:36.000 But these human predators, it's not in the religious mindset where there's a soul that there's someone good you can get into that you can connect with is biologically completely, it seems to be again, I'm no expert, it seems to be completely incorrect.
01:49:50.000 It's like saying if you've got lung cancer throughout your lungs, that there's a healthy ghost lung that you just have to connect with to breathe.
01:49:56.000 Well, no, your lungs are corrupted. 0.98
01:49:57.000 They're screwed up. 0.94
01:49:58.000 They're There's no healthy backup personality or brain called the soul, but this idea that you can reach through to the most corrupted and destroyed people and somehow reawaken their humanity, which is necessary for religion. 0.99
01:50:13.000 You have to have a soul.
01:50:15.000 I think it's really a dangerous thing because it lets us – if you have compassion for sociopaths, they use it to manipulate and control you.
01:50:22.000 And so it's almost like if you're a sociopath, you'd love to invent the idea of a soul so that people will try and help you and then you can manipulate and control them.
01:50:30.000 Whereas if you recognize that they're predators, then you just steer clear of them.
01:50:33.000 They lose a lot of their power.
01:50:34.000 Yeah.
01:50:35.000 Well, sometimes it's very difficult to find them.
01:50:38.000 It's very difficult to identify them.
01:50:40.000 That's one of the problems.
01:50:41.000 They're chameleons.
01:50:41.000 They're camouflage, right?
01:50:42.000 Yeah.
01:50:42.000 And there's one of the ways that you can is by when people behave around you that seems like really fake and weird.
01:50:48.000 It's like they have a fake, weird friendship with you or a fake, weird interaction with you.
01:50:53.000 One of the reasons why they have this fake weird thing is because they don't understand regular friendships, loves, and relationships.
01:50:59.000 So it all comes off as odd to them because they're doing make-believe all the time.
01:51:03.000 They're imitating what they've seen around them.
01:51:06.000 They know what's important to other people, but they don't feel that it's important to themselves.
01:51:09.000 That's the best way to describe it right there.
01:51:11.000 Right?
01:51:11.000 Like a torturer knows what hurts you and likes it.
01:51:15.000 And they've done actually a bunch of studies where they show people And this I find it's so incomprehensible.
01:51:22.000 I try and sort of get it because having empathy for non-empathetic people is a tough thing.
01:51:25.000 I think it's a necessary process to go through for self-protection and I think for the betterment of the world.
01:51:29.000 So there are these studies where they sort of hook up these electrodes to people's brains that can measure what's going on in their brains.
01:51:36.000 And they show intentional cruelty films.
01:51:39.000 Like they show like no cruelty and then accidental cruelty, like guy steps on a rake or whatever, right?
01:51:44.000 And then they show intentional cruelty.
01:51:46.000 Like a guy pretending – like stapling another guy's hand or something like that.
01:51:49.000 And when people see – some people see the intentional cruelty, the same happy centers related to orgasm, related to just feelings of intense bliss show up because this is sadism, taking pleasure in the suffering of others.
01:52:05.000 I mean that is – that's anti-empathy.
01:52:07.000 That's like, well, I know that you're attached to your children, so I'm going to use your attachment to your children to control and bully you or whatever it is, like you kidnap some guy's kids or whatever.
01:52:16.000 And this aspect of human predation is really important.
01:52:20.000 We are not a species.
01:52:21.000 We are a whole ecosystem of predator and prey.
01:52:24.000 And our lack of ability to differentiate between predator and prey in the human species, I think, is one of the major roots of hierarchical brutalities and wars and all of this kind of stuff.
01:52:35.000 And I think we really need to throw away the idea of the eternal good within us and recognize that the most dangerous species to human beings are other human beings by far.
01:52:45.000 I mean, just governments alone in the 20th century murdered, not even including war, governments murdered 250-plus million people.
01:52:53.000 They can't even get it down to within 10 million people.
01:52:55.000 That's a quarter of a billion people murdered just by one human institution populated by sociopaths. 0.53
01:53:01.000 These are incredibly dangerous people.
01:53:03.000 We're talking about bears and stuff and that's very important but the most important and most dangerous predators are human beings and we don't really have a good way of identifying them other than they're on the ballot.
01:53:13.000 Oh, sorry, little anarchist propaganda there.
01:53:15.000 Could you imagine if you had like a bunch of bears that were like really cool?
01:53:19.000 And you love to be around them.
01:53:20.000 And they're like really fun.
01:53:22.000 They do things for you.
01:53:23.000 And they help you.
01:53:24.000 And they help you move.
01:53:25.000 And they provide you with joy. 0.99
01:53:26.000 And then there's other bears that will just fucking eat you if they find you. 0.98
01:53:30.000 Or it's like that Battlestar Galactica thing. 0.99
01:53:31.000 Like the Cylons.
01:53:32.000 They look like people.
01:53:33.000 But they're aliens.
01:53:34.000 And this is something that is...
01:53:35.000 We really got it as a species up our like radar for this kind of stuff.
01:53:39.000 Because imagine if we could see these guys.
01:53:42.000 Like if they had some disco ball or whatever. 0.96
01:53:44.000 A turkey tester pops up when they're psycho.
01:53:46.000 And then it'd be like, okay, well, here's someone I'm not going to lend money to or be friends with or have kids with or, you know, we could, this gene or whatever, even if it's genetic, we could eliminate that within a generation or two.
01:53:56.000 But as long as, and of course, if they're physically attractive or wealthy or powerful as well, I mean, they're just, it's like, Ambrosia for a lot of people, right?
01:54:04.000 Anyway, so this is sort of a pet thing of mine.
01:54:06.000 It's just really helped people to understand that there's really bad people out there.
01:54:10.000 And even if we say they don't have free will, so what?
01:54:14.000 We don't say that bears are morally responsible for eating people, but we don't hang out with them, right?
01:54:18.000 Well, I don't buy that, the free will thing.
01:54:20.000 Of course you have free will.
01:54:21.000 It's just like, how much free will do you have?
01:54:22.000 How much decision-making does your consciousness have?
01:54:24.000 If you believe you don't have free will, guess what?
01:54:26.000 But then there's a bunch of people – well, there's factors that go into every decision that you make and those factors are genetic and environmental and this and that and that.
01:54:34.000 And if you factor it all together, it's not about free will.
01:54:36.000 It's not about your free decision.
01:54:38.000 Maybe or maybe not.
01:54:40.000 I mean it's a very slippery argument in both ways, on both sides actually.
01:54:46.000 Yeah.
01:54:46.000 I mean – For me, because people always say, well, define free will.
01:54:50.000 And I've given some thought to it, and I've got a series on YouTube about this.
01:54:54.000 It's youtube.com forward slash free domain radio if people want to check it out.
01:54:58.000 But to me, free will is our capacity to compare...
01:55:14.000 I think we're good to go.
01:55:22.000 We compare a proposed action to a moral standard or a moral ideal or something.
01:55:26.000 That's the one thing we can do that nothing else in the universe that we know of seems to be able to do.
01:55:32.000 To compare a proposed action – like, I mean, dogs propose an action.
01:55:36.000 They all get together and they all – birds all fly in one direction or another.
01:55:40.000 But they don't compare it to an ideal.
01:55:43.000 And this comparing things to an ideal, I think, is the fundamental aspect of – We're good to go.
01:56:17.000 So we're constantly comparing things to an ideal standard, and I think that is really the essence of choice that we have.
01:56:23.000 And even if it's not an ideal standard, we're being inspired by what we deem to be successful behavior, whether it's emotionally successful, socially successful, whatever, career, athletics, whatever it is.
01:56:35.000 We gain some sort of inspiration from that that also enhances our ability to perform the same actions.
01:56:42.000 And is that free will?
01:56:45.000 Whew! 0.99
01:56:46.000 Is it something else?
01:56:47.000 Is it a combination of all those things?
01:56:49.000 I think more likely that.
01:56:50.000 The argument that there is no free will I think is a little silly because there is, but it's not the only thing.
01:56:56.000 I think that's what it is.
01:56:57.000 I think there's a lot going on when it becomes...
01:57:00.000 When you try to figure out what it is that makes a person act the way they act.
01:57:04.000 We could put you in a situation and something could occur with your daughter, for say, and you would be like, well...
01:57:11.000 Let me explain to you what happened, and let me explain to you how I've made these same mistakes myself, and this is what I learned from it.
01:57:16.000 Or you could put a different person in front of a similar four-year-old kid, and that person's going, what did I tell you? 0.99
01:57:23.000 Get your fucking hands off of that! 0.99
01:57:25.000 Come here, sit down! 1.00
01:57:26.000 If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times! 0.99
01:57:28.000 Shut around, smack! 1.00
01:57:30.000 What is it that causes one to be you and one to be another person in the same scenario with a completely different result? 0.93
01:57:37.000 No, it's comparing to ideal standards.
01:57:39.000 Part of it.
01:57:40.000 Part of it for sure.
01:57:41.000 In the story we talked about earlier where I was saying my daughter said, Daddy, eye contact.
01:57:44.000 Should we have a standard which is if someone's saying something to you, you should really pay attention to them.
01:57:49.000 That's the standard.
01:57:50.000 I've told her about that.
01:57:51.000 If she's playing on the iPad and we're trying to have a conversation, I say, can you turn that off while we chat because I don't want you to be distracted.
01:57:58.000 So there's a standard that we have.
01:58:00.000 And then when we deviate from that standard, we try to realign with that standard.
01:58:04.000 And I think those are basically the fundamental choices that we have.
01:58:08.000 What are your standards?
01:58:19.000 People always – they say, well, you know, but kids these days are spankless and they're running wild and they're having lipstick parties and they're, you know, hooking up and they have no – so they genuinely believe, well, if I don't hit my kids, it's going to be really bad.
01:58:31.000 And I think that our futures are fundamentally written by our deepest values, by that which we consider the good.
01:58:38.000 What your values or your virtues are will be your future, like a train track.
01:58:42.000 Now, we can't change – The effects of our ethics, but we can decide which are valid or invalid ethics.
01:58:50.000 So I make the case that, you know, don't hit your kids, non-aggression principle, reasoning, better parenting, better child development, all the science behind it.
01:58:57.000 Your kids' IQ will be better.
01:58:58.000 Their behavior will be better.
01:58:59.000 Their social skills will be better.
01:59:01.000 They'll be more peaceful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:59:03.000 I make that case.
01:59:04.000 I change people's minds about that.
01:59:26.000 A free will.
01:59:27.000 When we can either choose to ignore that information, in which case we're just going to keep doing the same thing as history, like a hamster wheel, a revolving door of history, or we can evaluate new information and change our behavior according to some new ideal.
01:59:39.000 That, I think, is the only choice we have.
01:59:40.000 The people who argue against free will only ever argue with people, which is really interesting when you think about it because they say people are fundamentally indistinguishable from other complex systems like the weather.
01:59:51.000 But you never see somebody arguing with the weather.
01:59:55.000 You only ever see people debating or arguing with people.
01:59:58.000 I had a guy call into my show recently who was telling me that he said, Steph, you're just like a computer.
02:00:02.000 And I said, okay, well, why don't you hear?
02:00:04.000 Here's my computer.
02:00:05.000 You can continue the debate with the computer.
02:00:08.000 And he didn't understand what I was talking about.
02:00:10.000 He said, I'm not going to talk to your computer.
02:00:11.000 I said, so you only want to talk to me, not the computer.
02:00:14.000 And he said, well, the computer doesn't understand.
02:00:15.000 I've got voice recognition.
02:00:16.000 I'll turn it on.
02:00:17.000 Go ahead.
02:00:18.000 And I said, so you don't want to debate with the computer, only with me.
02:00:22.000 So you're saying there's something different about me versus the computer.
02:00:26.000 And have you ever yelled at the rain to stop raining or to change the wind's direction if it's blowing the wrong way?
02:00:32.000 He said, no, of course not.
02:00:34.000 And I said, so you cannot say that people are just like everything else in the universe if you will only ever debate people.
02:00:40.000 You have to accept that there's something fundamentally different with people if you will never debate anything else that you compare people to.
02:00:46.000 And that's the challenge of the deterministic argument.
02:00:49.000 We are just physics.
02:00:51.000 Everything has an antecedent cause.
02:00:53.000 But you only ever debate with human beings.
02:00:55.000 That's a strange argument.
02:00:57.000 I don't understand where you're going with that.
02:00:58.000 Of course, because human beings are the only ones that debate back.
02:01:01.000 The whole idea of a debate is you talk and they talk and you differ on opinions.
02:01:05.000 But they say that you debate back like two television sets pointed at each other.
02:01:09.000 It's all prescripted.
02:01:10.000 There's nothing new that can come in.
02:01:12.000 Everything has a prior course based on physics.
02:01:14.000 That's what people who believe that there is no free will say.
02:01:17.000 That's what you're saying.
02:01:17.000 Yeah.
02:01:18.000 But I don't debate with the TV. I know that the TV is going to – I mean there are idiots who yell at movies, but they don't imagine it's going to change it. 0.98
02:01:25.000 But isn't that whole debate in and of itself – isn't that whole debate just an exchange of information and an exchange in a controlled system, the system of the human race? 0.96
02:01:33.000 In order to change.
02:01:33.000 But you debate with someone to change their mind, right?
02:01:35.000 Well, I think ultimately all human beings are trying to accelerate growth, whether it's financial growth, intellectual growth, technological innovation.
02:01:45.000 I think we're constantly trying to grow – And expand things.
02:01:48.000 We also fundamentally know that we are imperfect.
02:01:51.000 So we will either argue our position or try to learn.
02:01:55.000 One of those two things.
02:01:56.000 Either try to reinforce ourselves on our own decisions as opposed to your decisions.
02:02:00.000 Jesus is the Lord and you are incorrect, sir, with your Satan, Satan, Satan song that you teach to your daughter.
02:02:06.000 You know, what is that about?
02:02:07.000 Well, that is about two organisms inside of a system that agree upon a dictionary and a vocabulary and definitions for things.
02:02:17.000 And they're arguing about whose path is a better path.
02:02:19.000 But ultimately, all of them are trying to be better.
02:02:22.000 All of them are trying to improve, and there's no real set guidelines for how to live correctly.
02:02:29.000 No one can really prove to you that it's better to be an atheist than it is to be a Christian, or it's better to be a person who likes to exercise than it is to be a guy who sits on the couch.
02:02:38.000 You sort of have to figure it all out for yourself.
02:02:41.000 And along the way, you want to justify your own actions and your own decisions by arguing and by trying to debate.
02:02:49.000 So, in a sense, like saying that humans only argue with humans, that doesn't really negate the idea that there is no free will.
02:02:57.000 In fact, it might actually support it by showing the whole thing is just a system, and it is just a mathematical algorithm, and inside that algorithm is a thing called ego.
02:03:06.000 And ego is the thing that wants you to be correct and wants you to learn and wants you to improve and wants you also to assert dominance and perhaps sexual preference over those around you by showing how clever you can turn a phrase and how easily you can diffuse someone and make them look foolish in front of the rest of the group.
02:03:23.000 All these things are perhaps just more evidence that there is no free will.
02:03:27.000 I mean, I'm obviously playing devil's advocate a bit here, but I think inside that controlled system, I think it is possible that that could be an argument.
02:03:37.000 Let's go, because you said something that is really, really important that I would like to challenge.
02:03:43.000 Maybe it's successful or not.
02:03:45.000 But you said nobody can say whether it's better to believe in a deity or not believe in a deity and so on, right?
02:03:50.000 What I mean by that is that you can't tell someone who's happy being a Christian that it's better to be an atheist.
02:03:55.000 They're not going to believe you.
02:03:57.000 Look, I certainly can't say that you'll be happier being an atheist. 0.94
02:04:00.000 Because let's say that they go into atheism, it's going to cause problems in their family relationships, it's going to cause problems in their community, it's going to cause problems in their church, and then they get hit by a bus.
02:04:08.000 They die unhappy and alone.
02:04:11.000 I have friends that were Mormons, sorry to interrupt you, but I have friends who were Mormons for the longest time, and then in their 40s they abandoned it.
02:04:16.000 That's rough.
02:04:18.000 Penn Jillette writes about that, actually, in his most recent book, about meeting up with a bunch of Mormons and how they become atheists and just...
02:04:25.000 A lot of it from his work.
02:04:26.000 Yeah.
02:04:26.000 A lot of it from his...
02:04:27.000 He's a great guy who's very logical and very smart, and a lot of his questions and his discussions on these things have caused introspective thought in people that perhaps would have just gone along with the program if it wasn't for a guy like Penn.
02:04:43.000 Yeah.
02:04:43.000 I think it's very interesting.
02:04:45.000 But I would make the case, so...
02:04:48.000 Nietzsche, a 19th century sort of philosopher, sort of guy who wrote great aphorisms, but he said that Socrates' basic argument was reason equals virtue equals happiness, right?
02:05:00.000 So if you want to be happy, you have to be virtuous.
02:05:02.000 How are you virtuous?
02:05:04.000 You have to have consistent principles, consistent principles.
02:05:08.000 And there's some support in psychology for this in that if you have opposing ideas within your own mind, Or if you have feelings that say one thing but your intellect says another, then you are going to be unhappy.
02:05:23.000 Or another way of putting it is to say that all psychological dysfunction results from unacknowledged suffering.
02:05:32.000 And so, for instance, like, so some people, you know, they're beaten up by their parents, but they're told by their church, honor thy mother and thy father.
02:05:39.000 So they've got this idea, this ideal, honor thy mother and thy father, but they have an emotional response of outrage at having been abused or neglected or whatever.
02:05:48.000 These are contradictions.
02:05:50.000 You've got an ideal that tells you one thing in your heart and your monkey spleen telling you something else, that if you aggress against an animal, it's going to react in a negative or hostile way.
02:06:00.000 And so when you have contradictions in your mind, that is going to produce dysfunction in your life, unhappiness in your life.
02:06:08.000 And so one of the purposes of philosophy...
02:06:11.000 Is to say, okay, we've got some basic principles.
02:06:13.000 Let's keep rolling them forward and try and live as consistently as possible.
02:06:17.000 Like if we used opposite words for things half the time, it would be impossible to communicate.
02:06:23.000 We have to have consistency in our language to a large degree, not perfectly, of course.
02:06:27.000 We have to have consistency in our language to be good at communicating, to have any possibility of communicating effectively.
02:06:34.000 I think?
02:06:54.000 To be happy.
02:06:55.000 And in the same way, if you have a consistent methodology for examining the universe, like science, you're going to get a lot further than reading chicken entrails or praying to some non-existent deity.
02:07:06.000 You're actually going to have a way of organizing your knowledge about the world to create computers and rocket ships and cars and all that kind of stuff.
02:07:14.000 And so the idea is that the more consistent you're thinking, the greater chance you have for happiness.
02:07:19.000 Now, that doesn't always mean that you'll achieve it because if you're- It's a great statement though, the way you're saying it, the greater chance you'll have for happiness.
02:07:25.000 Yeah.
02:07:26.000 Nobody can guarantee anyone happiness, right?
02:07:28.000 And in fact, if you've grown up in an irrational culture, and culture sort of by definition is irrational because if it's not culture, it's science or math or logic or something like that.
02:07:40.000 Then when you achieve the goal of reason and you start working out your beliefs from first principles and being good at philosophy puts you in a lot of conflict with people around you.
02:07:51.000 And of course a lot of power structures fundamentally I think live or feed off unacknowledged contradictions, right?
02:07:59.000 So for me to use force to take someone else's property is theft.
02:08:03.000 For the government to do it is called taxation and considered a virtue.
02:08:06.000 So there's all these contradictions and definitions that we have.
02:08:10.000 We hit wives, it's called abuse. 1.00
02:08:12.000 We hit children, it's called discipline.
02:08:13.000 We just redefine things all the time based upon emotional preferences and prior trauma.
02:08:18.000 And what philosophy does is it says, well, we've got to resolve this stuff.
02:08:21.000 We can't just have these little beliefs floating around unattached to each other.
02:08:25.000 We need a consistent way of organizing our minds and our values and our decisions and all of that stuff.
02:08:30.000 And we can't just make up different values based on the circumstances.
02:08:33.000 With the idea being that the more consistent you are, the happier you'll be.
02:08:39.000 I definitely think that the less contradiction you have in your mind, the happier you'll be.
02:08:43.000 And it's really hard for a lot of people to eliminate contradiction because they've made so many rationalizations about their actions.
02:08:50.000 They've made so many rationalizations at the past in order to shield themselves from the sting of the need to correct behavior, need to correct some of the things that you've done.
02:09:01.000 That sting is very difficult for a lot of people to deal with.
02:09:04.000 So they justify or they'll argue louder to try to...
02:09:09.000 That's...
02:09:10.000 I've got a whole series on YouTube called The Bomb and the Brain, which is...
02:09:14.000 I don't mean to...
02:09:15.000 It's fdrurl.com forward slash b-i-b.
02:09:18.000 There's huge amounts of science that really establish how people argue.
02:09:24.000 How people argue is you get an emotional trigger, like right deep down in the base of your brain, right?
02:09:31.000 Like where we don't know anything about civilization, right down in the base of our brain.
02:09:35.000 You get a fight or flight response.
02:09:37.000 And what happens then is...
02:09:39.000 We're good to go.
02:10:09.000 Wow.
02:10:09.000 Wow.
02:10:19.000 So it says, I oppose abortion.
02:10:21.000 And people say, well, here's all the reasons I oppose abortion.
02:10:23.000 They close the book.
02:10:24.000 They talk to them about something else for 15 minutes.
02:10:26.000 They say, oh, we didn't get the recording right.
02:10:28.000 Can you open it?
02:10:29.000 And then it says, now I oppose abortion.
02:10:31.000 And the majority of people, like two-thirds of people, will give you great arguments for both and not notice the contradiction.
02:10:38.000 So that seems to be the key to...
02:10:40.000 Experiencing this fight or flight feeling in the middle of an argument is being completely attached or having your ego attached to ideas or a position.
02:10:48.000 If you are not and you treat it as an intellectual puzzle that you can both solve together, then that stuff doesn't exist.
02:10:54.000 I've had some really fascinating disagreements with very close friends.
02:10:58.000 Where we've managed to keep it completely civil, but yet explored some really interesting topics.
02:11:03.000 But then I've also been involved in conversations with people where they get really insulting almost immediately if they disagree with you.
02:11:09.000 I had an argument with a dude about recent findings about the Yeti.
02:11:15.000 They've found that this thing that they thought was a Yeti may very well be an ancient bear, or at least the DNA from an ancient bear.
02:11:24.000 We have a theme.
02:11:25.000 You know that, right?
02:11:26.000 It's like the bear show.
02:11:27.000 The bear show.
02:11:28.000 This is because we're just like bears.
02:11:29.000 We're going to walk out of this room and just be mauled.
02:11:32.000 Some freak escape from the zoo thing.
02:11:34.000 This is going to be a hugely ironic podcast.
02:11:36.000 What was fascinating to me in the middle of this heated argument was not that this guy disagreed with my thoughts that...
02:11:45.000 This whole thing was probably a big misunderstanding and there's probably some strange looking bear. 0.99
02:11:50.000 But it was how aggressive someone would get about a fucking Yeti. 0.99
02:11:55.000 You're raising your voice and you're getting shitty and real snipey. 1.00
02:12:00.000 This is not the way you should get ever with your friends and you're getting this over a fucking Yeti. 0.98
02:12:06.000 Yeah, if it's over the ethics of violence or something, that's at least an important topic, but whether there's Bigfoot or not... 0.99
02:12:12.000 Well, not only that, it was over fucking DNA evidence. 0.95
02:12:15.000 I mean, this is all pretty straightforward stuff. 0.99
02:12:17.000 Right.
02:12:17.000 Like, you know, they found that there's some, what they thought was extinct polar bear, some hybrid type of polar bear.
02:12:25.000 They thought it was extinct for 40,000 plus years, and they've got DNA that came from something that was killed a long time ago.
02:12:32.000 Probably, I think it was in the 1900s or something.
02:12:34.000 And they say, oh, well, this thing matches up with this DNA. What we might be dealing with when these people are seeing Yetis is actually just polar bears.
02:12:42.000 Right.
02:12:42.000 You know, it's really simple.
02:12:43.000 Right.
02:12:44.000 It's just an idea, and it's just... 0.99
02:12:46.000 I didn't do the fucking research. 0.99
02:12:48.000 He didn't do the fucking research. 1.00
02:12:49.000 So, like, getting upset about it is so weird. 0.99
02:12:51.000 But that's what it is.
02:12:53.000 It triggers that fight-or-flight thing, and then once they realize they're in some sort of a debate and perhaps...
02:12:59.000 Perhaps they don't engage in enough competition. 0.99
02:13:01.000 Perhaps they don't engage in enough athletic endeavors where they strain their body and get rid of some of that fucking monkey juice. 0.99
02:13:08.000 And get used to failure. 0.99
02:13:09.000 And get used to losing.
02:13:10.000 That's another thing.
02:13:12.000 Some people do not like to lose at anything.
02:13:15.000 They won't bowl because if they lose, they get sick.
02:13:19.000 They won't play checkers.
02:13:21.000 They won't do anything.
02:13:23.000 Isn't that always just childhood stuff, Joe?
02:13:25.000 Yes.
02:13:27.000 They don't like to admit that they're wrong because whenever they would admit that they're wrong, they would be mocked or humiliated.
02:13:32.000 That happens in school all the time.
02:13:34.000 Like I had a guy, a friend of mine in junior high school, we were in science class and he used the word orgasm instead of organism.
02:13:45.000 I don't even remember the sentence, which is a shame because I bet you it was a really great sentence because anytime you put the word orgasm into a sentence inadvertently, It's funny.
02:13:53.000 Yeah.
02:13:53.000 I think it's premature elaboration is the phrase.
02:13:56.000 But anytime you do that, it's funny. 0.96
02:13:58.000 But literally for the whole year, he was the cum guy. 0.98
02:14:02.000 Like, he was the orgasm guy. 0.99
02:14:04.000 And it's like, how comfortable do you feel making stupid mistakes like that if that is the environment that you're in? 0.99
02:14:11.000 Families will so often stereotype people. 0.99
02:14:14.000 Like, you drop three plates and then for the next 50 years, you're the clumsy one.
02:14:17.000 And then you become paranoid about all this kind of stuff.
02:14:20.000 Yes, and it becomes something that's in the forefront of your mind.
02:14:22.000 Don't drop the plates.
02:14:23.000 Don't drop the plates.
02:14:24.000 And then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because then people don't remember the million times you carried a plate successfully.
02:14:29.000 But 20 years later, you drop a plate.
02:14:31.000 It's like, oh, well, he's the clumsy one.
02:14:32.000 And people hate being – I hate being stereotyped like that.
02:14:34.000 And if you carry that idea in your head, it does create weight and it gets momentum behind it.
02:14:39.000 It's with everything.
02:14:40.000 If you're playing basketball, don't miss a shot, don't miss a shot.
02:14:43.000 What are you thinking about?
02:14:43.000 You're thinking about missing the shot.
02:14:45.000 You don't even think about making it.
02:14:46.000 You're thinking about missing it more than you're thinking about making it.
02:14:48.000 You're feeling the failure already before you've even attempted it because it's become a predominant pattern in your way of thinking.
02:14:55.000 Yeah.
02:14:57.000 I'd love to know, like the twins experiment and so on, I would love to know Which parts of me are me and which part of me are environment or which part of me are genetics?
02:15:07.000 Like, put me somewhere else.
02:15:08.000 It's indistinguishable.
02:15:09.000 I know.
02:15:09.000 I mean, but wouldn't that be fascinating?
02:15:11.000 It would be, but it's not.
02:15:12.000 I mean, you are a series of events that have taken place over 46 years of life and 24 hours in a day and 365 days in a year and just...
02:15:22.000 So much.
02:15:24.000 There's so many calculations.
02:15:25.000 And here's an interesting question to you because you...
02:15:29.000 Predominantly ply your trade on the internet.
02:15:32.000 How much of an impact has the internet had on who you are as a person?
02:15:37.000 Just the free-flowing of information over the last 20 years, since we're the same age, thinking of 94-ish, where it really popped out, how much of an impact has it had on you?
02:15:47.000 Oh, it's...
02:15:51.000 Big.
02:15:52.000 No, it is...
02:15:53.000 If I were to look at...
02:15:55.000 I mean, other than learning how to read, it's the biggest influence and impact.
02:16:00.000 I mean, I'm only able to do what I do because of the internet.
02:16:03.000 Because the gatekeepers are gone.
02:16:05.000 Like, we can talk to people without gatekeepers.
02:16:07.000 That is...
02:16:08.000 Like, the last time this happened in such a fundamental way was like in the 16th century when Martin Luther...
02:16:15.000 They translated the Bible from Latin to the vernacular, and then people got to get their hands on the Bible.
02:16:20.000 Whereas before, it was all done in Latin, and nobody knew what the hell was going on other than what the priests told them.
02:16:25.000 They got a hold of the Bible, and basically the text could speak directly to the people and didn't have to go through gatekeepers anymore.
02:16:31.000 The unfortunate result of that was a couple of hundred years of religious warfare, which then again culminated in the separation of church and state because they just were killing each other. 0.55
02:16:38.000 And Lutheranism.
02:16:39.000 And Lutheranism and Zwingaliism and Calvinism and Anabaptism and all that kind of stuff.
02:16:43.000 Anabaptism where you have to have an adult baptism.
02:16:46.000 Do you know how they dealt with this in Germany?
02:16:48.000 Oh, you're an Anabaptist. 1.00
02:16:49.000 We'll drown you because you're just into adult baptism. 0.98
02:16:52.000 I mean, it was just brutal.
02:16:53.000 One of the reasons that the Nazis had such power was that Germany missed the whole Enlightenment because they were just so embroiled in religious warfare.
02:16:59.000 I mean, there's travelers who went through Germany in the 17th and 18th century and said you could barely see a tree without the fruit of a hanging person on it.
02:17:08.000 I mean, it was that insanely violent a society based upon religious dogma.
02:17:13.000 And so Nazism is like this weird medievalism that made it through the Renaissance and the Enlightenment in Germany and then had the power of the 20th century technology with all the brutality of medieval parenting and brutality. 0.80
02:17:29.000 So anyway...
02:17:29.000 That's where a lot of the strict discipline as well, the military discipline, the goose-stepping, all that came from.
02:17:35.000 Oh, and Hitler's screaming. 0.57
02:17:37.000 Alice Miller's written great stuff about this.
02:17:39.000 Hitler was beaten so badly, he actually went into a coma once he was beaten so badly.
02:17:45.000 I mean, he was just so...
02:17:47.000 And the kids, they would hang their babies on hooks, swathed in bandages that often would have lice in them.
02:17:54.000 Then the lice would crawl all over the baby's skin and lay eggs.
02:17:57.000 And so when he referred to the Jews as lice, it connected with something so primal in the German psyche.
02:18:04.000 And I tell you this, though, the Germans learned an incredible lesson from that.
02:18:08.000 My mom is German, and when I grew up, My cousins would come to visit from Germany. 0.98
02:18:12.000 And of course, we were idiot warmonger British boys because, you know, we won the war, right? 0.98
02:18:17.000 Which meant we lost to socialism. 1.00
02:18:18.000 But we won the war.
02:18:20.000 And so we were all playing war games.
02:18:21.000 And my German friends, cousins would come over and they'd say, well, we I think?
02:18:30.000 I think?
02:18:43.000 In child abuse, it's actually available for free at freedomandradio.com, where he says, basically, if you want to know where war comes from, you have to focus on child abuse.
02:18:53.000 That is where all of this stuff gets laid in.
02:18:57.000 They've done a huge number of studies.
02:18:59.000 Robin Grills has written a book called Parenting for a Peaceful World, where he traces, you know, you can tell how quickly democracy comes to a country by how the prevalent spanking is.
02:19:08.000 I mean, there's incredible things.
02:19:09.000 Like, all politics, to me, is an effect of Yeah, I think.
02:19:36.000 Being able to talk directly to people without gatekeepers is an incredible experience and is the greatest leap forward, I think, in human communication and the possibility of virtue, I think, is unbelievably enhanced by this.
02:19:52.000 I agree with you.
02:19:53.000 And I also agree with you that I am unrecognizable to myself of the past because of the internet.
02:20:00.000 And I think my understanding...
02:20:02.000 Well, tell me.
02:20:03.000 I mean, you've got one of the biggest shows around.
02:20:04.000 I mean, would that have happened without...
02:20:07.000 No.
02:20:08.000 I mean, no.
02:20:10.000 It's impossible.
02:20:11.000 It would have never happened.
02:20:12.000 I would have never been able to do this.
02:20:13.000 I would have been fired a long time ago.
02:20:16.000 There's no way I would have been able to do any of the things that I've done online with some sort of a company backing it and saying this is a good idea.
02:20:24.000 No one would have said it's a good idea.
02:20:26.000 No publicist would have said it's a good idea to say the things I've said.
02:20:29.000 No agent would have advised me to move in that direction.
02:20:33.000 Wouldn't have happened.
02:20:34.000 It happened naturally.
02:20:35.000 It happened on its own.
02:20:36.000 But I think that the biggest impact for me is not that I've been able to express myself, but that other people have been able to send me information and express themselves to me.
02:20:46.000 The impact of being able to share information online, store even wrong things.
02:20:52.000 There's a video that went around that has gotten massive traction over the past few days.
02:20:57.000 It was a man Who was on the news and didn't know the camera was on.
02:21:01.000 Didn't know that his microphone was on.
02:21:03.000 He was talking about a missing girl. 1.00
02:21:04.000 And he was saying, you know, that, hey, if he finds her, I would fuck her. 1.00
02:21:08.000 I'd fuck her right in her pussy hole. 1.00
02:21:09.000 Like, but it was fake. 1.00
02:21:11.000 And then you see the newscaster go, we're sorry for that unfortunate thing.
02:21:14.000 But that newscaster was from a previous thing where a woman didn't know that her microphone was on and dropped an F-bomb. 1.00
02:21:20.000 Just said, fuck. 1.00
02:21:21.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00
02:21:22.000 And I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, we're having some editorial. 0.99
02:21:25.000 We were very sorry that, you know, we had editing issues.
02:21:28.000 Very sorry you had to hear that.
02:21:29.000 Well, this video has gone, you know, viral, and it's millions and millions of hits, and I can't tell you how many people have sent it to me on Twitter. 0.98
02:21:36.000 But within a couple days, it resolves itself, and people realize, oh, it's just bullshit. 0.99
02:21:39.000 Okay, here we go. 0.98
02:21:40.000 So, wait, how is it fake?
02:21:42.000 Was it fake?
02:21:42.000 It's just an actor.
02:21:43.000 Some guy pretended and spliced it in.
02:21:46.000 He put his footage of him saying this horrible thing, but it wasn't really a missing girl.
02:21:50.000 It was all fake.
02:21:51.000 And there's a fake Fox broadcast label and all that jazz.
02:21:55.000 But it gets exposed.
02:21:56.000 It does get exposed.
02:21:57.000 And that's what's unique about the times.
02:21:59.000 And it's also that something can just spread.
02:22:02.000 It just has to be impactful and interesting, whether good or bad.
02:22:06.000 I mean, there's this incredible thing, which is happening in America as well, where you can actually see...
02:22:14.000 Bodies of imperialism, right?
02:22:17.000 Like you can go online and you can see the bodies of the Iraqis or the bodies of the Afghanis or whatever.
02:22:24.000 That's unprecedented.
02:22:26.000 I mean, you'd never get that through the media.
02:22:27.000 Well, not only that, it was made illegal.
02:22:29.000 Through the Bush administration in the United States, you couldn't show coffins.
02:22:32.000 Couldn't show the coffins, let alone the victims.
02:22:34.000 I think?
02:22:50.000 I think?
02:23:10.000 Genetically ruined population the whole world over. 1.00
02:23:13.000 And the fact that this information is available at the click of a button to me means that people no longer have the excuse of having been propagandized. 0.95
02:23:22.000 You know, some poor bastard who was in Stalinist Russia.
02:23:26.000 You know, in the 1950s, you know, okay, be a communist or go to the gulag, you know, that's your choice. 0.99
02:23:32.000 So he's a communist, but you don't say you're a communist by choice, then it's just like the way you was like, you're in the Hitler Youth, you're a Nazi, but you're not a bad kid, because you're a Nazi. 0.69
02:23:39.000 That's just what you have to do to survive in the culture.
02:23:42.000 But now that information is so available, nobody can claim anymore, at least in the West that they didn't know.
02:23:49.000 Because it's so immediately available to everyone at all times that if you don't know now, it is an act of choice.
02:23:55.000 It is not the result of propaganda.
02:24:06.000 China, under Mao and the Cultural Revolution, where people were dropping like flies every time they batted their eyelids wrong.
02:24:12.000 There's a great story in Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag, Apikalago, where some minor party functionary is given a speech, and everyone gets up and is applauding.
02:24:23.000 And they're all so terrified of being the first person to stop applauding that they just keep applauding and keep applauding until their hands look like hamburgers and they can't even – like it's so incredible.
02:24:34.000 But nobody wants to stop because the first person who stops is our comrade.
02:24:38.000 You seem to be less enthusiastic and they're just terrified.
02:24:40.000 This is the world that some people live in.
02:24:42.000 We don't have that world here in the West and we have access to every kind of information, opposing viewpoints.
02:24:47.000 You can go on to Al Jazeera.
02:24:49.000 You can find out.
02:24:49.000 What American imperialism or British imperialism looks like or even Canadian imperialism in Afghanistan looks like from the other side.
02:24:56.000 So there's a great ripping away of the excuse of propaganda and ignorance and a great settling of moral responsibility on people.
02:25:03.000 Yeah, it's a very unique time as far as exposing evil and distributing information.
02:25:09.000 A very, very unique time.
02:25:10.000 I don't think there's ever been anything like it.
02:25:13.000 And I think you and I are both two perfect examples.
02:25:17.000 And also that we can find each other and be able to do this.
02:25:20.000 I mean, how would have this happened?
02:25:23.000 How would have our friendship happened?
02:25:25.000 How would we have had these three-hour conversations?
02:25:28.000 Even if we didn't have podcasts and we got to meet each other, we'd have to agree to sit down and talk for three hours.
02:25:34.000 And then it's like, who would benefit from that?
02:25:37.000 You and I would certainly benefit from it.
02:25:39.000 We would enjoy it, but no one else would get it.
02:25:41.000 It's not like something that would just get out to millions and millions of people almost instantaneously.
02:25:45.000 Forever.
02:25:46.000 And grow constantly.
02:25:47.000 Our last show went to number one on iTunes. 0.99
02:25:49.000 I was expecting that to happen because my rap sucks. 0.81
02:25:53.000 It's really great that we're doing this because my music career remains stalled in the doldrums. 0.93
02:25:57.000 But I think that is an incredible opportunity.
02:26:03.000 I do a lot of talk about Bitcoin and stuff like that where we have the opportunity to have a currency system not controlled by governments.
02:26:12.000 These things are just unbelievable opportunities for human communication.
02:26:22.000 I don't know.
02:26:35.000 Things like that, just incredible, because we have got to get faster at getting better as a species, because our technology is going through the roof.
02:26:44.000 Human knowledge is doubling every 18 months.
02:26:46.000 Weapons that are inconceivable to even a generation or two ago are readily available.
02:26:53.000 And being printed on 3D printers.
02:26:55.000 Yeah, and surveillance technologies. 0.99
02:26:56.000 I mean, God, every time we come up with something good, the assholes take it and use it against us. 0.99
02:27:01.000 Doesn't that drive you crazy? 0.99
02:27:02.000 It's like every time you pull out a gun to fight the mugger, the mugger does like this and he has the gun. 1.00
02:27:06.000 It's like, damn it! 1.00
02:27:07.000 Can't we have technology that isn't put to the service of assholes? 0.99
02:27:11.000 We have to get faster at getting better as a species because our technology is increasing to the point where if we don't get better quickly, I don't think we're going to have much luck staying free. 0.69
02:27:20.000 Well, I think we are getting better, and I think we are trying to catch up to this technological capability that we find ourselves in right now.
02:27:28.000 But I think we are.
02:27:30.000 I really do.
02:27:31.000 I mean, it's not just hollow optimism.
02:27:33.000 I really do believe that we are getting better.
02:27:35.000 I think that we're commenting on the fact that it's not perfect.
02:27:38.000 And I think everybody is.
02:27:39.000 And I think this Glenn Greenwald and all these different...
02:27:42.000 Edward Snowden and those people exposing all of the hypocrisy in government and all the...
02:27:46.000 All of that is working towards what ultimately will be a very unique time in history.
02:27:51.000 When they look back at this time, the birth of the internet will be by far one of the biggest events in the history of the human race.
02:27:58.000 And we'll look at all these different growing phases and all these different challenging events that happen...
02:28:03.000 And we won't see it as much because we're a part of it right now, but I think things are just changing.
02:28:09.000 People are more responsible for their actions.
02:28:11.000 People are more educated.
02:28:13.000 Information flows far more freely than ever before.
02:28:15.000 It's happening.
02:28:16.000 It's all happening right now.
02:28:17.000 But I don't know about you.
02:28:19.000 I mean, I know that a lot of what you do is about getting information out to people.
02:28:23.000 And I think that's great.
02:28:23.000 I do also think that there's a lot of ethics behind what it is that you do, because it's not like you get a whole bunch of KKK members on here proselytizing about white nationalism.
02:28:31.000 I think you try to get people with good and useful viewpoints, even if it's just mentally stimulating, that promotes virtue as well.
02:28:38.000 For me, I really feel a sense of urgency.
02:28:42.000 And I try not to let it, you know, make every day like a race against evil or something like that.
02:28:46.000 But I The technology of control and surveillance and all of that is growing so quickly.
02:28:53.000 I really do feel like the same medium that can be capable of so much control and surveillance is also what we're using to communicate.
02:29:01.000 I feel quite a strong urgency that it's a race of us versus them. 1.00
02:29:07.000 And this is why I have like 3,000 shows. 0.81
02:29:10.000 I mean, it's lunatic, right?
02:29:11.000 But I really do feel...
02:29:12.000 Because remember, freedom in radio, where quantity is quality.
02:29:16.000 But I really feel...
02:29:17.000 Well, you're selling yourself short.
02:29:18.000 You have a lot to say.
02:29:19.000 I mean, you could do 3,000 shows because you have 3,000 shows worth of things to say.
02:29:22.000 You're not trying to stuff in nonsense.
02:29:23.000 Hopefully 3,001 with this.
02:29:24.000 Yes.
02:29:24.000 Because if this is the last show, we've got something to say on that.
02:29:27.000 We're good.
02:29:28.000 But do you feel that there is...
02:29:30.000 I don't feel it's inevitable that the good people win.
02:29:32.000 I think that's a lot to do with...
02:29:34.000 Really working at getting the message out?
02:29:36.000 I think there's a battle.
02:29:37.000 I think there always is.
02:29:38.000 And I think that battle exists because you need a yin to have a yang. 0.98
02:29:42.000 You need a push and a pull.
02:29:43.000 You need an evil and a good.
02:29:44.000 You need an ideal to subscribe to or aspire to.
02:29:47.000 And you also need a really negative thing to avoid.
02:29:50.000 I've learned personally from the failures of other people.
02:29:53.000 I think that's an important lesson.
02:29:55.000 You've learned from people who've gotten hooked on drugs. 0.98
02:29:57.000 I've learned from people who have ruined their life because of alcoholism or gambling or whatever the fuck it's been. 0.94
02:30:03.000 These are all there also as life lessons. 0.90
02:30:06.000 And it's a very, very, very fascinating trip that we're on.
02:30:09.000 I do have a sense of urgency, but for the most part it's really a sense of stimulation, of excitement, and of just really excited about...
02:30:19.000 I like the fight.
02:30:20.000 Yes.
02:30:21.000 I think that if I'd been born later...
02:30:23.000 It wouldn't have been as much fun.
02:30:25.000 I like being in the fight where it is now because it seems so overwhelming.
02:30:29.000 I mean, what if we got two microphones and one bad haircut and one great polish? 0.91
02:30:34.000 We're in the craziest time that a human being has ever existed in.
02:30:39.000 As far as technology and information, trying to figure our way through this, you're going to get these things like the NSA surveillance issue.
02:30:47.000 You're going to get that.
02:30:48.000 When you find out that they're building this gigantic facility in Utah to store all the information, then slowly but surely it gets out.
02:30:54.000 They've already started doing it.
02:30:56.000 All of this exists because of capabilities.
02:30:59.000 They can turn your cell phone on remotely.
02:31:00.000 I mean, isn't that insane?
02:31:01.000 iPhones, they have 100% control of it.
02:31:02.000 They can turn your camera on.
02:31:04.000 They can turn your phone on.
02:31:05.000 You don't even see it.
02:31:06.000 You don't even know it's on.
02:31:07.000 It can be in sleep mode.
02:31:08.000 Yeah.
02:31:08.000 Well, Amber Lyon told us that when she went to other countries, they wouldn't let anybody talk to them if they had an iPhone.
02:31:15.000 You had to have an Android or some other phone where they could remove the battery.
02:31:17.000 Or they wouldn't talk to you.
02:31:19.000 Wow. 1.00
02:31:19.000 They were like, what do you think we're stupid? 1.00
02:31:21.000 Get that fucking crazy spy device out of here. 1.00
02:31:24.000 There's no such thing as an iPhone to them. 1.00
02:31:26.000 That's a spy device.
02:31:27.000 You've got to have a phone where you can remove the battery and sit down where we know that you're not transmitting this conversation to some nefarious source across the world, which is what they can do.
02:31:37.000 That is also a part of this weird thing that we're doing.
02:31:41.000 But ultimately, my thoughts are that if I look at the accountability, here's a perfect example.
02:31:47.000 Look at General Petraeus.
02:31:49.000 General Petraeus got caught and removed as the head spy from the CIA being investigated by the FBI. I mean, the FBI found out that he was having this affair and all this jazz with the reporter,
02:32:04.000 the woman who wrote the book about him.
02:32:06.000 But how did that happen?
02:32:07.000 It was cyber.
02:32:08.000 It happened through the very thing that we're all scared of.
02:32:12.000 Everyone is scared of someone being able to go into your email and find out, oh, look, Stephen Molyneux, apparently he's gone to these communist meetings, and he wanted to find out what it's all about.
02:32:21.000 We have some information that maybe you've been thinking about overthrowing the government, and then boom, you're in jail.
02:32:26.000 Like, look, I was just talking.
02:32:27.000 These are theoretical ideas.
02:32:30.000 I'm an anarchist, but not really.
02:32:32.000 I'm not raising guns or anything like that.
02:32:34.000 This is what happened to the head spook.
02:32:37.000 Oh, yeah.
02:32:37.000 No, when someone calls in my show and they say that their name's Jack, I don't say hi to them.
02:32:42.000 Really?
02:32:42.000 I don't say hi, Jack.
02:32:43.000 Nope, nope.
02:32:44.000 I say hi, listener.
02:32:46.000 Because hijackers.
02:32:47.000 Oh, hijack. 0.89
02:32:48.000 That's good.
02:32:49.000 You're going to get red flagged.
02:32:50.000 No, and I still do it, but I'm conscious of the fact that when I say something is the bomb, this could be pink.
02:32:57.000 It could be flagged, and Microsoft and Skype are in deep with these guys, and it is there.
02:33:04.000 We do have to struggle through this stuff, and I don't feel particularly concerned.
02:33:08.000 I think I've hit, like with three or four million downloads a month, I think I've hit enough trajectory that I just can't be targeted in that kind of way very easily anymore.
02:33:18.000 But yeah, definitely at the beginning there was a little bit of, oh, I'm still pretty small.
02:33:21.000 But also you have the ability to be honest and express yourself.
02:33:25.000 You can't be silenced.
02:33:27.000 In the McCarthy era, if they came after you and said you were a communist and you got kicked out of whatever job you were doing, what are you going to do?
02:33:35.000 Are you going to start a blog?
02:33:36.000 What are you going to do? 0.99
02:33:36.000 Are you going to get on fucking Twitter and explain yourself in 140 characters? 0.99
02:33:41.000 No, you couldn't do a damn thing. 0.97
02:33:43.000 Now, if you have a situation where perhaps maybe something comes out where you did say something that you regretted, or you did do something in the past that maybe wasn't the best, you could describe it in depth in a show, own it, and it would be a complete non-issue, and in fact, you'd probably grow from this non-issue. 0.98
02:33:59.000 And the listeners would grow from the experience of hearing you honestly talk about whatever it is, whether it's going to some fucking communist meeting. 0.59
02:34:06.000 Obviously, that's not an issue now. 0.97
02:34:08.000 I'm giving McCarthyism terms.
02:34:10.000 But whatever it could be that would be something that they could hold over you, it doesn't matter anymore.
02:34:18.000 It almost doesn't matter.
02:34:19.000 And I believe that where this is heading is a time, whether it's a decade, two, three, what have you, where there are no secrets.
02:34:27.000 And it's probably going to be some sort of a technological change in the way we exchange information. 0.90
02:34:33.000 Maybe it's some Google Glass thing that goes to the next level and becomes an implant or whatever the fuck it is.
02:34:38.000 I really don't think there's going to be any secrets. 0.94
02:34:40.000 I think we're going to laugh one day at the times we used to be able to lie to people.
02:34:44.000 We're going to laugh at the times you used to be able to tell people that you were going to go to some place, but really you went to some other place.
02:34:49.000 There's not going to be that anymore.
02:34:52.000 Your whereabouts will just be information, and it's easy to look as a Google search.
02:34:58.000 Well, I think that there's some real benefits to that.
02:35:01.000 Do you know that there's a whole bunch of lawyers who are now trying to subpoena the NSA for data that will exonerate their clients, hopefully, where they had cell phone records or something that will hopefully exonerate their clients and so on?
02:35:12.000 I mean, I personally would be more than willing to give up where I'm going and what I'm doing and so on to an organization that was actually there to sort of help and protect me.
02:35:21.000 I mean, I was just reading on the Drudge Report the other day.
02:35:24.000 I think it was the FBI or the CIA. I think we're good to go.
02:35:48.000 What is it?
02:35:48.000 95% of people never get a jury trial in the United States because all they do is they get threatened with insane sentences and they just plea down.
02:35:55.000 I mean, because there's just, you've no hope.
02:35:57.000 I mean, they've even said that threatening someone with a life sentence for a minor transgression...
02:36:05.000 Getting them to plea for something less while threatening them with a life sentence for a minor transgression of the law is not cruel and unusual punishment.
02:36:13.000 You can't bribe someone with 50 bucks in the legal system, but you can bribe them with reducing something from 20 years to 2 years, and somehow 18 years is not a bribe.
02:36:22.000 So there is no constitutional right to a trial.
02:36:26.000 There's almost nobody, particularly in drug stuff.
02:36:28.000 I mean, people just plea down and go to jail.
02:36:30.000 And a lot of these people are convicted on the hearsay of other people who themselves are giving up whoever they knew in order to get out of crazy jail time and so on.
02:36:39.000 So it is a monstrous system right now.
02:36:42.000 I mean, this comes back to the whole war on drug stuff, which is just so amazingly evil that it staggers the imagination.
02:36:49.000 I can't believe, and it's so fantastic that America's finally looking over to the example of Portugal.
02:36:54.000 Portugal, 10 years ago, decriminalized their drugs, and now they have a 50% reduction in drug use.
02:36:59.000 And they actually get addicts' help.
02:37:01.000 Addicts should get help.
02:37:02.000 It's a medical problem they need.
02:37:04.000 Let's say it's not medical that they got in there, but so what?
02:37:06.000 They're in there, right?
02:37:07.000 I mean, even drunk drivers need the jaws of life to get out of a car, and they get these people the medical help they need.
02:37:13.000 They don't throw people in jail for personal consumption of mind-altering substances, like TV isn't one of those.
02:37:19.000 And they actually get people help.
02:37:21.000 And now they're starting to get a couple of things here and there where you can go and buy this stuff legally and so on.
02:37:26.000 I mean, thank God.
02:37:27.000 I mean, I thought we were going to be so past what it used to be like before the war on drugs that people like at least with prohibition, it was only what 13 or 14 years in the 30s with prohibition.
02:37:37.000 And even that brought organized crime over to America.
02:37:39.000 I thought we'd have this war on drugs for so long that people would have forgotten what it was like beforehand and it would have just gone on forever.
02:37:46.000 But it does look like there is going to be some relaxation of this stuff.
02:37:49.000 Some tentative steps are being taken towards it.
02:37:52.000 And my God, what an incredible thing that's happening because, I mean, the majority of people in prison are there for completely nonviolent offenses.
02:38:00.000 Do you know what they did in Colorado with the legal marijuana?
02:38:04.000 You're allowed to buy it and sell it retail?
02:38:06.000 A vet was the first guy who bought, right?
02:38:08.000 Yes.
02:38:08.000 A vet was the first guy who bought.
02:38:10.000 And one day, they made over a million dollars.
02:38:13.000 The first day, 12 stores made over a million dollars in Colorado.
02:38:17.000 Wow.
02:38:17.000 And by the way, that money is going to be taxed.
02:38:21.000 And it's going to be going back to the people. 0.68
02:38:22.000 And that's going to benefit people.
02:38:24.000 That stimulates the economy.
02:38:25.000 It's actually good.
02:38:26.000 And it makes people nicer.
02:38:28.000 It's going to calm a lot of people down.
02:38:29.000 Well, Put people in a more sensitive mood.
02:38:31.000 So much.
02:38:32.000 I mean, let's say you could just legalize all this stuff tomorrow.
02:38:35.000 What an incredible thing it would be.
02:38:37.000 First of all, there'd be less incentive.
02:38:39.000 One of the reasons people get hooked is because people offer them free drugs because it's so profitable once they are hooked.
02:38:44.000 It's also forbidden, so it seems it's enticing.
02:38:47.000 One of the things about Holland that's been so fascinating is that their hard drug use is radically down because cannabis is so prevalent and accepted.
02:38:57.000 Yeah, so I'm actually going to go speak in Amsterdam.
02:38:59.000 I'm speaking to this huge crowd in Amsterdam about cryptocurrencies in April.
02:39:05.000 Cryptocurrencies?
02:39:05.000 Yeah, Bitcoin and stuff like that.
02:39:07.000 Why is that crypto?
02:39:08.000 Oh, because it's encrypted.
02:39:28.000 It's huge!
02:39:29.000 That's so crazy.
02:39:30.000 It is.
02:39:30.000 When people find out that that was a major motivation for the Vietnam War, that's another thing you can find out on the internet today, is how much money was being made by selling heroin.
02:39:40.000 People don't even want to believe that.
02:39:41.000 They're like, oh, come on.
02:39:43.000 You really think that heroin had a lot to do with the Vietnam War? 0.99
02:39:45.000 For the people who were selling it, it certainly fucking did. 0.98
02:39:48.000 And those people made trillions of dollars. 0.99
02:39:51.000 Right.
02:39:51.000 Like, what do you think?
02:39:52.000 Where'd that all go?
02:39:53.000 Did that all just disappear?
02:39:54.000 Did it turn into mist?
02:39:55.000 Was it like the super soaker in the 41 below zero air? 0.99
02:39:58.000 What the fuck happened? 0.98
02:40:00.000 What happened to all that money? 1.00
02:40:01.000 Well, like the poppies in Afghanistan.
02:40:02.000 Exactly.
02:40:03.000 Do people think that the poppies in Afghanistan are completely irrelevant to the war?
02:40:06.000 It's a fascinating subject because people automatically want to dismiss it because of the war on drugs and because it's not thought of as a commodity.
02:40:15.000 It's instead thought of as something that's illegal and just gross and like, oh, drugs, drugs, drugs.
02:40:23.000 Drugs are money, and money is what everybody wants. 0.98
02:40:27.000 And these fucking people that are over there that are trying to extract resources, whether it's in the form of natural gas or whether it's in the form of oil... 1.00
02:40:34.000 That same type of thinking, if you think that that same type of thinking doesn't work in terms of trying to make similar amounts of money from illegal drugs, you're crazy and it's so naive. 1.00
02:40:47.000 And drugs are a fantastic way to harass the population.
02:40:51.000 Because the whole idea behind common law is that the law is passive.
02:40:56.000 The law doesn't go out looking for problems.
02:40:59.000 If you come key my car, then I call up the cops.
02:41:03.000 And then, because you've done me wrong, the law leaps into action.
02:41:06.000 The law is never supposed to exist without a complaint.
02:41:10.000 And if you buy drugs from some guy and you like the drugs and he likes your money, there's no complaint.
02:41:15.000 But the law then becomes proactive and it goes out there looking for problems and nobody's complaining.
02:41:19.000 And that's when the law becomes tyrannical.
02:41:22.000 When the law is passive and just waits for a complaint and has clear rules, okay, that's a fairly good thing.
02:41:27.000 When the law goes from reactive to proactive and starts going out there to look, oh, prostitution, oh, gambling, oh, drugs, you know, this is all voluntary consensual stuff.
02:41:36.000 You know, it may not be healthy in excess, but neither are cheesecakes. 0.99
02:41:39.000 Who gives a shit, right? 0.97
02:41:39.000 Well, how about the fact that people are being arrested now for having secret compartments in their car? 0.97
02:41:44.000 Yeah, I read about that!
02:41:45.000 Yeah, not even having drugs.
02:41:46.000 Having zero drugs, but having a secret compartment in their car, they can strip your car down, search it, even if they find nothing, they're not in trouble. 1.00
02:41:55.000 Well, and they get these stupid drug-sniffing dogs. 1.00
02:41:58.000 They're completely retarded. 1.00
02:41:59.000 I mean, what? 1.00
02:42:00.000 Oh, did you find something, boy?
02:42:01.000 Oh, did you find something?
02:42:02.000 The dog starts going like this because of the tone of voice of the cop and they suddenly think that this is somehow some justification.
02:42:07.000 Well, they're actually very good at training dogs to find drugs.
02:42:12.000 But they can also be encouraged by the policeman who wants to harass someone, right?
02:42:16.000 They can be if they're trained poorly, but if they react in a very strong way, their sense of smell is impossible for us to even fathom.
02:42:24.000 I don't know how dogs put up with people.
02:42:26.000 Hmm.
02:42:26.000 Because we smell so bad?
02:42:29.000 They've got to love us something fierce.
02:42:31.000 We think of smell as a bad thing, and they don't. 1.00
02:42:35.000 They sniff other dogs' shit. 1.00
02:42:36.000 It doesn't bother them. 1.00
02:42:37.000 Maybe that's why they love us, is we smell like shit. 1.00
02:42:39.000 We like that. 1.00
02:42:41.000 But dogs can actually smell cancer.
02:42:43.000 They can take vials.
02:42:44.000 They've trained dogs.
02:42:45.000 They've taken vials of tissue and have cancerous tissue in certain vials and We had a whole row of many, many, many choices.
02:42:54.000 And this dog went down the row and went right to it over and over again.
02:42:57.000 So they can actually smell cancer on people.
02:43:00.000 They can smell sick people.
02:43:01.000 Wow.
02:43:02.000 I did know that.
02:43:02.000 Yeah.
02:43:02.000 We can't even...
02:43:03.000 I mean, they can smell fear.
02:43:04.000 They can smell adrenaline rushes.
02:43:05.000 They can smell when you're thinking about doing something.
02:43:07.000 There's a lot of reasons to have those senses, those senses of smell.
02:43:11.000 I mean, animals have them in a very, very strong way. 0.99
02:43:14.000 If animals smell you in the woods, they fucking run. 0.93
02:43:18.000 I mean, they smell you, they know your intentions almost. 0.99
02:43:21.000 I mean, there's information that comes out of your scent. 1.00
02:43:24.000 Our noses are stupid. 1.00
02:43:25.000 Oh, it's pot roast. 1.00
02:43:27.000 Oh, I smell gas.
02:43:28.000 Our noses are broken.
02:43:29.000 They're so clumsy.
02:43:31.000 A great analogy for how incompetent our noses are in comparison to a dog is Is skunks.
02:43:38.000 Because we can smell skunk scent in one part per billion. 0.98
02:43:43.000 We can smell skunk scent, a little bit of spray, way the fuck down the block. 0.95
02:43:47.000 And we'll be like, what is that? 0.97
02:43:49.000 That's how a dog is.
02:43:50.000 For everything.
02:43:51.000 A dog can smell everything like that.
02:43:53.000 They can smell all kinds of things and tiny amounts of it in the air.
02:43:57.000 And we can find people in the woods, man.
02:43:59.000 A guy runs through the woods and a dog knows where the guy went based on his body touching the ground in certain places.
02:44:05.000 Wow. 1.00
02:44:06.000 And it's your fucking shoe and your shoe... 1.00
02:44:08.000 How much scent is your shoe giving off? 1.00
02:44:10.000 But the dog can smell that and find you.
02:44:12.000 Would you...
02:44:13.000 I've thought about this sometimes.
02:44:15.000 Like I was...
02:44:17.000 I went to exercise before the show, and so my wife was laying out some stuff because she has a better clothing sense. 1.00
02:44:23.000 I'd be here in a mess t-shirt.
02:44:25.000 Like this?
02:44:25.000 Yeah, something like that.
02:44:26.000 Caveman coffee.
02:44:27.000 And I was thinking, if you could just, I don't know, like 10 seconds in someone else's consciousness.
02:44:33.000 Do you think that would be like the most...
02:44:34.000 Oh, 10 seconds in a dog's brain.
02:44:36.000 I think it would just be like, if I could do that and come back and not be insane.
02:44:41.000 I think we were talking about, I would totally do that.
02:44:44.000 If I could sit there in my wife's brain for 10 seconds or even half a day or whatever, I think that would be so amazing. 1.00
02:44:51.000 With her experiences different than mine, another species, I could love to be in a shark's brain. 0.94
02:44:57.000 If I could do that and come back and not be completely mental but still retain the memory of it, I don't know.
02:45:03.000 It's kind of an idle thought, but I think it would be really, really fascinating.
02:45:06.000 You know what they should do?
02:45:07.000 If they do ever come up with that technology, they should force it on the people at SeaWorld and get a killer whale's mind and stick it in a person and have them realize... 0.99
02:45:16.000 Oh, I'd love to fucking bite that person's leg off. 1.00
02:45:17.000 If I didn't like herring so much, you bastards! 1.00
02:45:20.000 Just what kind of torture they're existing in on a daily basis. 1.00
02:45:25.000 Yeah, make them.
02:45:26.000 Make them do it and see if they come back and still want to run SeaWorlds.
02:45:28.000 Oh, I don't know.
02:45:29.000 Or zoos or anything like that.
02:45:30.000 Oh, but of course, zoos we have to have because it's the only place you'll let Komodo dragons exist, right?
02:45:34.000 That's it.
02:45:34.000 So zoos we actually have to have.
02:45:35.000 Or some rich guy's yard. 0.98
02:45:37.000 Some rich guy's got a big fucking big fence. 0.98
02:45:38.000 With a big Komodo-sized barbecue there for special guests, right? 0.98
02:45:42.000 Well, that's my thoughts on animals.
02:45:45.000 I've always said I do love nature as much as you do.
02:45:48.000 I do respect nature.
02:45:49.000 I find it absolutely beautiful and fascinating, amazing.
02:45:52.000 And I talk...
02:45:56.000 I'm absolutely thrilled that they exist.
02:45:58.000 I find it amazing.
02:46:00.000 But one of the things that people who are more interested in animals than they are people... 0.58
02:46:05.000 I mean, there's a lot of animal lovers that say just unbelievably ridiculous things sometimes.
02:46:10.000 Like, we can't find cures for childhood cancers because of bunnies. 1.00
02:46:14.000 You can't test stuff on bunnies.
02:46:16.000 These are just people whose kids have never been sick.
02:46:19.000 I don't care how many bunnies it takes.
02:46:21.000 Sorry, I have a little bit more allegiance to the genetic closeness.
02:46:26.000 I think there is a bit too much that way.
02:46:29.000 Human life is still pretty significant relative to animals.
02:46:32.000 Well, yeah, I call it team people.
02:46:35.000 I'm on team people.
02:46:36.000 I've always been on team people.
02:46:37.000 Team biped. 0.99
02:46:38.000 Yeah, it doesn't mean I hate the other teams, but if the shit goes down, I'm with the people. 1.00
02:46:43.000 If rabbits start fucking running through the streets killing babies, I'm shooting rabbits. 1.00
02:46:47.000 Absolutely. 1.00
02:46:48.000 I'm not going to say, well, you know, they were here first.
02:46:51.000 I think you should totally sell tickets to your dreams.
02:46:53.000 Because you know you're going to dream about that tonight.
02:46:55.000 Like, you had that dream about giving roses to the guy.
02:46:57.000 Now you can have a dream about rabbits running through the streets killing people.
02:47:00.000 It's possible.
02:47:00.000 Yeah.
02:47:01.000 It's very possible. 1.00
02:47:02.000 Damn it. 1.00
02:47:03.000 Bunnies. 1.00
02:47:04.000 Well, I've had many, many animal dreams.
02:47:06.000 I have a vast amount of respect for animals.
02:47:10.000 And I've also been around them.
02:47:11.000 I've seen a couple of mountain lions.
02:47:12.000 I've been around a lot of coyotes. 1.00
02:47:14.000 Coyotes are the creepiest fuckers ever. 0.99
02:47:16.000 You know, I was in my yard the other day, and I think it was a coyote. 1.00
02:47:20.000 Might have been a mountain lion, but something was chasing a deer.
02:47:22.000 And I just randomly happened to be there when it happened. 0.99
02:47:25.000 And this deer was fucking big. 0.98
02:47:27.000 You know, like, you know, maybe 100 plus pounds. 0.99
02:47:29.000 Whatever it was.
02:47:30.000 Because I could hear it running.
02:47:31.000 And I'm outside.
02:47:32.000 It's 2 o'clock in the morning.
02:47:33.000 I'm just chilling outside.
02:47:34.000 And I just happened to be really close to this happening. 0.99
02:47:37.000 So this animal just fucking runs through the back of my yard. 0.99
02:47:41.000 Like white eyes and all that, yeah. 0.99
02:47:41.000 I didn't see it. 0.99
02:47:42.000 I saw a silhouette because it was really dark out. 0.99
02:47:44.000 But it was fucking running and it was heavy. 0.98
02:47:47.000 And behind it was something chasing it. 1.00
02:47:49.000 Something trying to eat it.
02:47:50.000 And I'm pretty sure it was a coyote.
02:47:52.000 And when I just feel that and hear that and know that, I find it thrilling, I find it fascinating, but I also find it quite terrifying.
02:48:00.000 That's the food chain.
02:48:01.000 There's something about as big as me, and it's running away from something about as big as me.
02:48:06.000 Oh, yeah.
02:48:07.000 I mean, if grass could make horror movies, they'd all be called the deer. 1.00
02:48:10.000 You know, the fucking cows, you know? 0.99
02:48:12.000 Ah, dude! 1.00
02:48:14.000 He didn't even kill him. 0.84
02:48:15.000 He just bit the top of his head off.
02:48:17.000 Oh, that's bleeding and screaming.
02:48:19.000 Some ripped out by the roots.
02:48:21.000 Yeah.
02:48:21.000 Monstrous.
02:48:22.000 Yeah.
02:48:22.000 You're right.
02:48:23.000 You're right.
02:48:24.000 100%.
02:48:24.000 Listen, I think we're out of time.
02:48:25.000 I think we banned out three whole hours.
02:48:27.000 Yeah, we just crushed through it.
02:48:29.000 Yeah, we didn't talk about a lot of the things that I wanted to talk about.
02:48:32.000 Did that feel quick?
02:48:32.000 It always feels quick, man.
02:48:34.000 Yeah, these are crazy.
02:48:34.000 I keep telling, you know, as I told my girlfriends, you know, it's longer than it feels.
02:48:38.000 These conversations are fascinating, you know?
02:48:40.000 They do feel quick.
02:48:41.000 They go by.
02:48:42.000 But three hours seems to be the right amount.
02:48:44.000 You don't have any, like, chat room?
02:48:45.000 Because people are watching?
02:48:47.000 They watch this live, right?
02:48:47.000 Yeah, this is live on Ustream right now.
02:48:50.000 Ustream...
02:48:52.000 It's live right now, so there's a bunch of people watching it live.
02:48:56.000 More people will catch it on YouTube, but the most will see it either as an mp3.
02:49:00.000 And they're going to say, like, relative to the last show, this has delicious, buttery audio.
02:49:04.000 Yeah, there's more deliciousness to it, for sure.
02:49:07.000 We had some caveman coffee with butter last time we were stuck in a hotel in Toronto.
02:49:11.000 And the stevia, too.
02:49:11.000 Put in a pitch for the stevia, because that is like cocaine for my sweet tooth.
02:49:15.000 That is just fantastic.
02:49:16.000 And it's not dangerous.
02:49:18.000 I mean, you need a tiny amount of it to sweeten things as well, and it doesn't spike your sugar, it doesn't fuck with your insulin levels.
02:49:25.000 It's actually not bad for you.
02:49:26.000 Listen, man, we've got to do this more often.
02:49:28.000 I really enjoy this very much.
02:49:29.000 I'll be back here in March.
02:49:30.000 Maybe we'll do another one. 1.00
02:49:30.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00
02:49:31.000 Down, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00
02:49:33.000 Thank you, sir.
02:49:33.000 Really appreciate it.
02:49:34.000 Thank you so much.
02:49:34.000 A lot of fun.
02:49:35.000 Even more fun than the last one.
02:49:36.000 And you can catch Stefan online at freedomainradio.com.
02:49:42.000 And it's fdrurl.com forward slash iTunes for my feed.
02:49:46.000 And you might as well give my...
02:49:47.000 I'm sure most of my listeners know your feed as well, but...
02:49:49.000 Free Domain Radio is your iTunes feed?
02:49:52.000 Yes.
02:49:54.000 FDRURL.com forward slash Free Domain Radio will get people to the iTunes feed.
02:49:57.000 It's a redirect.
02:49:57.000 And you have a vast amount of content out there.
02:50:01.000 Yeah, free books and all that sort of stuff.
02:50:03.000 So I hope people will check it out.
02:50:04.000 YouTube videos as well.
02:50:05.000 And that's one of the things I really admire about what you do.
02:50:08.000 Whenever something happens in the news, it's controversial.
02:50:10.000 You have a very poignant point about it.
02:50:14.000 You'll do this long...
02:50:21.000 We're good to go.
02:50:35.000 But it's also Stefan Molyneux, right?
02:50:37.000 I think we have one, yeah.
02:50:38.000 Yeah, you follow me, buddy.
02:50:40.000 I'm looking at you right now.
02:50:41.000 All right.
02:50:41.000 So there's a free domain radio one?
02:50:43.000 I would defer to what you're looking at on the screen.
02:50:44.000 That seems true.
02:50:45.000 Is there a free domain radio one as well?
02:50:47.000 I think there is, yeah.
02:50:48.000 Mike is going to kill me if I get this wrong.
02:50:49.000 Oh, you have a guy that does it.
02:50:50.000 Yeah, yeah, he does it, so... 0.99
02:50:51.000 I do all my Twitter shit. 0.99
02:50:53.000 Do you ever have a guy that might get mad at you and put up dick pictures and shit? 0.99
02:50:57.000 No, if I get the feed wrong, he's going to be like, I can't believe you do this in seven years and you can't give people your Twitter feed. 0.99
02:51:03.000 What the hell is wrong with you?
02:51:04.000 If you can't spell stuff I'm mowing you, I understand. 1.00
02:51:07.000 M-O-L-Y-N-E-U-X. That's a crafty name, ladies and gentlemen. 0.95
02:51:13.000 It's an F, not a P-H. S-T-E-F, as in Frank A-N. That's another very important part. 1.00
02:51:16.000 Yeah, freedomainradio.com is where people should go.
02:51:18.000 They get free books and podcasts and no commercials and all that kind of stuff.
02:51:21.000 All right.
02:51:21.000 Comedy-wise, I will be at the Stand Up Live in Phoenix this weekend with the lovely and talented Tom Segura.
02:51:29.000 Very excited about that.
02:51:30.000 And Chicago Theater.
02:51:31.000 And go see Joe Rogan.
02:51:32.000 You gave me tickets to the last live show.
02:51:35.000 It's gut-bustingly funny.
02:51:37.000 Thank you very much.
02:51:38.000 You have to go.
02:51:38.000 It's incredible.
02:51:40.000 It's like an ab workout.
02:51:41.000 You come out with tears in your eyes and ripples in your stomach.
02:51:44.000 I'm glad you had a good time, man.
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02:52:06.000 Hmm.
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02:52:55.000 That's JOE and the number one for the month of January.
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02:53:16.000 That's O-N-N-I-T. We'll be back with author Scott Sigler.
02:53:33.000 Very cool guy and very interesting guy and it was fun talking to him the last time. 0.96
02:53:37.000 And then on Wednesday Dr. Mark Gordon is going to talk to us about traumatic brain injuries and hormones and all kinds of cool shit.
02:53:44.000 So we will see you soon.
02:53:46.000 Big love and big kiss. 1.00
02:53:48.000 And go fuck yourself. 1.00
02:53:49.000 Alright, bye. 1.00