The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #450 - Cameron Hanes

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00:10:15.000 But Until then, today, we have Cameron Hayes, master, bowhunter, all-around badass.

00:10:22.000 Cue the music.

00:10:26.000 Whenever you're ready, Jamie.

00:10:27.000 Maybe. 1.00

00:10:29.000 You forgot the volume, you fuck. 1.00

00:10:33.000 You fucked it up. 1.00

00:10:34.000 At least it's not live. 0.98

00:10:36.000 Oh, the computer did it. 0.60

00:10:37.000 At least it's not live, yeah.

00:10:41.000 Do you know how to do it, or are we done?

00:10:43.000 Nope, it's coming.

00:10:44.000 Show's over.

00:10:44.000 Yeah.

00:10:54.000 It wouldn't be the same if everything came out smooth.

00:10:56.000 Well, Cameron, first of all, thanks for doing this podcast.

00:10:59.000 For people who don't know Cameron, Cameron Haynes is a famous bow hunter, which is a rare thing.

00:11:05.000 It's very rare that someone becomes famous as a bow hunter.

00:11:09.000 And in the most manly form of bow hunting ever, you're famous for shooting the biggest, most majestic North American animals with sticks.

00:11:18.000 That's right.

00:11:18.000 I mean, that's what you're famous for.

00:11:19.000 You're famous for taking out giant bugling elk with a flying stick.

00:11:24.000 That's pretty badass, dude.

00:11:26.000 I wouldn't say famous.

00:11:27.000 You're famous to me.

00:11:28.000 You're famous.

00:11:29.000 I told a friend of mine who's a hunting fan, he's a personal trainer, and I said I'm doing this podcast with Cameron Haynes.

00:11:35.000 He goes, oh, that's that keep hammering guy.

00:11:37.000 That's it.

00:11:37.000 So, dude.

00:11:39.000 Okay, one other guy.

00:11:40.000 You and one other guy.

00:11:41.000 You are famous amongst hunters.

00:11:43.000 Jared knows me, yeah.

00:11:44.000 So there's three.

00:11:44.000 I brought you up to my friend Ryan Callahan, who works at First Light, and he said, oh yeah, I know who that guy is, yeah.

00:11:50.000 So people know who you are, man.

00:11:51.000 Okay.

00:11:52.000 You have become, at least, can I say you have notoriety?

00:11:56.000 Yeah, I'd say that.

00:11:57.000 Okay.

00:11:58.000 So notoriety from killing elk with flying sticks.

00:12:02.000 That's it, yeah.

00:12:03.000 How does one go about becoming famous, or at least develop internet notoriety, from killing elk with flying sticks?

00:12:11.000 Um, you know, I think for me, it's just, I don't know, I just came up just like everybody else.

00:12:17.000 So it's like, so what I've done is Kind of gives other people that didn't have any breaks or just regular guys hope to chase their dreams.

00:12:24.000 I really think that's it.

00:12:25.000 I think that's why people like me.

00:12:27.000 Well, I'll tell you how I found out about you.

00:12:30.000 I watched a lot of videos on YouTube, online, whether it's videos about anything that I find interesting.

00:12:38.000 And I saw this video of this guy carrying rocks in his backpack going up hills training for elk hunting.

00:12:45.000 And I was like, what?

00:12:46.000 What is that?

00:12:47.000 And I thought about it.

00:12:48.000 I was like, that actually is a pretty smart move.

00:12:50.000 I've never heard of anybody training for hunting.

00:12:53.000 I went hunting when I shot that mule deer with Steve Rinella.

00:12:58.000 That was the first time I ever went hunting.

00:13:00.000 And I was amazed at how tired I was. 0.96

00:13:03.000 I was like, this is ridiculous.

00:13:04.000 Like, I thought I was in really good shape.

00:13:06.000 But when you're climbing up those muddy hills and the Missouri breaks and everything's like sloshing and it's, you know, these steep hills and, you know, you're doing it for six hours in a row, like, man, you get exhausted.

00:13:19.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 Your legs get rubber, your lungs are burning.

00:13:21.000 I was like, I can't believe this.

00:13:22.000 I was thinking, I need to work out for hunting.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:26.000 But I never heard of anybody doing that before until I saw you.

00:13:29.000 Right.

00:13:29.000 Well...

00:13:30.000 Like elk hunting, you can get up at sometimes 5 in the morning to get to where maybe you put some elk to bed the night before and walk so an hour before daylight, then you're hunting all day, and then you get back to camp after dark, maybe at 8 or 9 o'clock.

00:13:44.000 That's a long day.

00:13:45.000 That's a long day.

00:13:46.000 People aren't used to doing that.

00:13:48.000 I mean, how often do you work out for 15 hours a day?

00:13:51.000 Not only that, if you shoot an elk, then you have to take that elk back and you have to figure out how to carry it through the mountains.

00:14:00.000 That's where it gets really crazy.

00:14:02.000 What's the biggest elk you've ever shot?

00:14:05.000 It was probably a Roosevelt bull I killed in Oregon in 2010, and we're figuring it weighed about 1,200 pounds.

00:14:12.000 It was 12 or 13 years old.

00:14:15.000 That's a big animal!

00:14:16.000 Oh, it's huge.

00:14:18.000 How long did it take you to carry 1,200 pounds?

00:14:21.000 I mean, that's on the bone.

00:14:22.000 So once you quarter it and skin it...

00:14:25.000 Take the head off of it and the antlers. 0.53

00:14:27.000 How much is it, how much are you carrying out?

00:14:29.000 About 500 pounds.

00:14:31.000 You know, we had it quartered up and then with the hide because I wanted to get it mounted and the head and all that.

00:14:36.000 So we had to carry about 500 pounds, but I had a few guys with me.

00:14:40.000 So, you know, made it a little easier.

00:14:42.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:14:43.000 You have to bring like a pack crew.

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, no, they're big animals and that's just, that's part of it.

00:14:49.000 But that's, When you can go into the mountains where an elk lives every day and, like you said, with a sharp stick, take it out, harvest it, so you're on its home court, and then bring it back to your truck and back to your freezer,

00:15:05.000 that's a powerful experience.

00:15:09.000 The whole thing is hard.

00:15:11.000 Everything about it is hard.

00:15:12.000 But to be able to do that, it's given me confidence to know that...

00:15:17.000 Whatever everyday life, I can achieve things, you know, because that's about as tough as it gets for me.

00:15:23.000 Yeah, I've always said that adversity is a very important thing for human beings because if you don't go through adversity, you never know that you can.

00:15:30.000 There's always going to be questions, and every time you do go through adversity, it sort of adds on to your ability and your confidence in all walks of life.

00:15:39.000 It's like this tattoo that I have is Miyamoto Musashi, the guy who wrote The Book of Five Rings.

00:15:44.000 And when I was a kid and I was a...

00:15:47.000 Competing in martial arts tournaments.

00:15:49.000 I read the Book of Five Rings and I remember this one quote.

00:15:52.000 Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

00:15:56.000 And once you've gone through the kind of adversity that you must go through to, you know, hike nine miles into a mountain, shoot an elk, and then bring that giant beast back and then cook it, like, that is a, that is, you will develop confidence and you'll develop a sense of accomplishment that's very difficult to recreate.

00:16:16.000 Yeah.

00:16:17.000 And that's, to do that, I know how difficult that is.

00:16:20.000 And so in training, I try to simulate that as much as possible.

00:16:23.000 I mean, that's where the The carrying the 130-pound rock up the hill or, you know, for training I've run 100-mile ultra-marathons, you know, that type of thing.

00:16:31.000 Basically, I just want to simulate that misery because I want to know what being miserable feels like.

00:16:37.000 If you don't ever know, you never know how you're going to react.

00:16:40.000 Some people might fold up, quit, but so I try to get there as often as possible.

00:16:46.000 How did you, why did you decide a rock?

00:16:49.000 Why not, like, weights?

00:16:50.000 Well, you can measure weights.

00:16:51.000 Did you try to just go with the rock because it's even more primal?

00:16:55.000 I don't know.

00:16:56.000 I just, I had been seeing this rock, you know, I run this mountain all the time, so I've been seeing this rock and I was like, man, I need to get that rock to the top of the hill.

00:17:04.000 And so I did this seminar at Cabela's and I said, hey, anybody who wants to come up, I'm going to go run the mountain because everybody knows I run this mountain.

00:17:12.000 So they came in for the Cabela's seminar.

00:17:14.000 And I told him, I said, if you run the mountain, I'll give you a free DVD. I just like to work out with people.

00:17:18.000 I like to see people sacrificing.

00:17:22.000 So I said, I'm going to carry this rock up and we can all go do it.

00:17:25.000 And I figured, I mean, the rock, I figured it was about 70 pounds.

00:17:29.000 I had no idea.

00:17:30.000 So I get up there, I have this empty pack and I have everybody there.

00:17:33.000 And I'm like, all right, just hang on for a second.

00:17:36.000 I'm just going to throw this rock on my pack.

00:17:37.000 And I lift, the first time I'd ever touched it.

00:17:39.000 And I was like...

00:17:41.000 Wow, this is more than 70 pounds.

00:17:43.000 And so I ended up getting it up to the top and then we tried to take pictures.

00:17:47.000 I couldn't even lift that thing over my head because a rock is just weird to lift.

00:17:53.000 And so I ended up taking it down off the mountain.

00:17:56.000 I'm like, obviously it's more than 70. I want to figure out how much it is.

00:17:59.000 So it was 130 pounds.

00:18:00.000 But it was just kind of on a whim, I guess, is how that came about.

00:18:04.000 Now it's just my rock.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:07.000 Now it's your workout rock.

00:18:09.000 It is, yeah.

00:18:09.000 Now, are you allowed to just pull rocks out of the forest?

00:18:11.000 Is there any regulations about that?

00:18:13.000 I may have poached that rock.

00:18:16.000 No, it's still there.

00:18:17.000 I just carry it up and down.

00:18:19.000 I never take it.

00:18:19.000 I took it to the gym to weigh it, but it's back.

00:18:22.000 It's up on the mountain right now.

00:18:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:18:24.000 So what would you do if you came there and you saw somebody else throw that rock in their backpack?

00:18:27.000 You're like, hey, man.

00:18:28.000 No, nobody's going to do it.

00:18:30.000 Somebody did, I think they had seen the rock talked about.

00:18:33.000 And I said, hey, people question everything for whatever reason.

00:18:39.000 Sure.

00:18:39.000 And so they say, oh, that's not 130 pounds.

00:18:42.000 I'm like, okay, well, here it is.

00:18:43.000 Go pack it to wherever you want and weigh it.

00:18:45.000 So somebody did move it like 20 yards.

00:18:48.000 And I did notice that.

00:18:49.000 But other than that, it just kind of sits wherever I leave it.

00:18:52.000 Well, if it's heavy enough, that's good that nobody will steal it.

00:18:54.000 Or most people won't steal it, I should say.

00:18:57.000 I don't think they're going to steal it.

00:18:58.000 Now, when you take that rock up to the top of the mountain, how often do you do this?

00:19:01.000 I do it about once a week.

00:19:03.000 Once a week?

00:19:04.000 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 That's kind of...

00:19:05.000 Wow.

00:19:05.000 I mix it up and that's my once a week type, something different.

00:19:09.000 Other than that, I usually just run the mountain.

00:19:12.000 So once a week, once every seven days, you carry that...

00:19:15.000 How far are you carrying it?

00:19:16.000 It's a mile and a half.

00:19:18.000 Jesus.

00:19:20.000 Oh.

00:19:21.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 That hurts my lower back just thinking about it.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, me too.

00:19:25.000 Oh.

00:19:26.000 Is there any danger of doing...

00:19:30.000 That's like some serious weight that you're carrying on your back like that.

00:19:33.000 It's an awkward way to carry weight.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:35.000 And to do it like once a week.

00:19:36.000 Yeah, I... I try to think I'm bulletproof, but I've found out that I'm not.

00:19:41.000 And so, yeah.

00:19:43.000 And that's a, yeah, that's the trail right there.

00:19:45.000 So, up the hill with the rock.

00:19:47.000 That's some serious work.

00:19:49.000 Like, the amount of actual physical kinetic work that you have to do to go up a hill with a 130-pound rock on your back like that.

00:19:58.000 Like, man, that's got to get you in some insane shape.

00:20:02.000 Oh, it helps.

00:20:03.000 You know, I mean...

00:20:04.000 It's just, everything helps, mixing it up.

00:20:06.000 I do a lot of different things, but that's just one of them.

00:20:09.000 Now, was this something that you had always done, and then when you got into hunting, you just sort of ramped it up, or did you, like, really get into fitness once you became a hunter?

00:20:18.000 That's another shirt I have, you know, ramp it up.

00:20:20.000 Oh, really?

00:20:21.000 Is it really?

00:20:22.000 Yeah, it is.

00:20:23.000 Oh, no kidding.

00:20:24.000 But, uh, no, let's see.

00:20:25.000 So, I started bow hunting, I was, um, just a teenager, and, uh, It was, I ended up killing a spiked bow elk my very first year.

00:20:33.000 I think it was 18 or 19. And that was, you know, to kill a bull with a bow where I came from a real small town.

00:20:40.000 I mean, 20 some kids in my graduating class.

00:20:42.000 And so a lot of people hunted, but to kill a bull with a bow was like special.

00:20:48.000 And so I got attention for that.

00:20:51.000 I was like, this is some positive reinforcement.

00:20:53.000 And I'm like, you know, this is after high school, after the high school sports and all that.

00:20:58.000 And trying to find my way, trying to figure out what the heck I was going to do.

00:21:02.000 And so I liked hunting.

00:21:05.000 I liked the challenge of it.

00:21:06.000 I got some positive reinforcement from it.

00:21:08.000 So I'm like, hey, this is pretty cool because I didn't hardly know anybody who'd killed a bull with a bow back then.

00:21:13.000 And so I was successful.

00:21:16.000 But from there, I just wanted more, wanted more of a challenge.

00:21:19.000 And then, you know, I started going into the wilderness and to the Oregon's biggest wilderness, Eagle Cap Wilderness.

00:21:25.000 It's 375,000 acres.

00:21:27.000 And so you can get back in there away from people.

00:21:30.000 And I thought, well, now I want to go to the middle of this wilderness because that would be even more badass. 0.86

00:21:35.000 And if I could kill a bull back there, man, that would be the ultimate.

00:21:40.000 From there, I realized how the physical part of bow hunting was more important.

00:21:48.000 It was kind of a progression.

00:21:50.000 I've always ran 10Ks and different things like that, but I figured, man, you can't be in too good a shape to challenge that country.

00:22:02.000 I haven't reached my limit.

00:22:05.000 I'm trying to become what I always say is the ultimate predator.

00:22:09.000 So it becomes...

00:22:13.000 It's a part of your whole psyche.

00:22:16.000 It becomes a part of what you're doing with your life.

00:22:20.000 The challenge of it becomes almost as important as what you're doing itself.

00:22:25.000 You're not just going out and getting an elk for meat, which I'm sure you enjoy elk meat, but it's almost sort of like a spiritual quest.

00:22:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:22:37.000 You know, the most powerful moments I've had have been in the mountains, in the wilderness, after killing a bull.

00:22:43.000 Because everything that goes into it, you know, it's not just the fact that I killed an animal.

00:22:48.000 It's how much I respect the animal, how tough the country is, all the training.

00:22:54.000 It's just accumulation of all that work and all that investment of emotion and everything else.

00:23:01.000 And so that's, yeah, it is...

00:23:03.000 It's spiritual.

00:23:04.000 I mean, by yourself back there is as raw as it gets.

00:23:08.000 It's tough.

00:23:08.000 And eating the animal that you've killed, I just started hunting.

00:23:14.000 I've only been hunting a little over a year, year and a half.

00:23:17.000 And for me, the most delicious meals, the most satisfying meals I've ever had is venison that I've killed myself.

00:23:25.000 There's something...

00:23:27.000 Something intimate about it, I guess.

00:23:29.000 You're much more attached to what you're eating.

00:23:33.000 And, you know, I've never killed anything with a bow, much less a 1,200-pound bull elk with a bow in the middle of the woods.

00:23:40.000 I mean, that's got to ramp it up another notch.

00:23:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:43.000 It's amazing.

00:23:44.000 Because if you're shooting something with a rifle, you know, I shot that mule deer from 200 yards away.

00:23:48.000 That's pretty far.

00:23:49.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 You know, you're shooting these animals 30, 40 yards away from you, and they're huge.

00:23:56.000 Yeah.

00:23:56.000 No, they're...

00:23:57.000 I mean, they don't commit suicide.

00:23:59.000 They are, you know, they're used to lions. 0.83

00:24:02.000 They're used to being hunted.

00:24:04.000 So to get into bow range, you know, in their red zone, so to speak, you know, that 30 to 40 yards, that's difficult.

00:24:11.000 They're dialed in.

00:24:12.000 They're used to being hunted every single day.

00:24:14.000 I mean, they're never turned off.

00:24:16.000 And so, yeah, it's tough.

00:24:19.000 And then you have just basically a sharp stick, you know, one arrow.

00:24:22.000 You've got the arrows laying over there, and it's just...

00:24:24.000 It's amazing how lethal...

00:24:26.000 With a razor-sharp broadhead, an arrow can be.

00:24:29.000 And I've seen, you know, there's videos of huge bulls I've killed dropping in seconds just from that, you know, quicker even than maybe a rifle would kill them.

00:24:40.000 And that's...

00:24:41.000 You know, that's pretty amazing.

00:24:43.000 That is pretty amazing.

00:24:44.000 Well, one of the things about you is because of all your training, because of all this lifting and exercise that you do, you shoot a really heavy bow.

00:24:52.000 You shoot a 90-pound compound bow, which for folks who don't know, like a lot of people, they'll tell you, like, you don't need to shoot anything more than 60. But 90, I've never even heard of anybody shooting a 90. I never even pulled one until I pulled yours.

00:25:07.000 I mean, that's ridiculously...

00:25:09.000 I mean, that's pretty stout.

00:25:11.000 So you're sort of like adding to this whole reason why you're exercising and all this fitness and getting really strong and in really great shape.

00:25:23.000 You kind of have to be in great shape just to use the very weapon that you use to take these animals out.

00:25:28.000 Yeah, well, and it's true.

00:25:30.000 You don't necessarily have to shoot 90 pounds.

00:25:32.000 I mean, people do kill.

00:25:33.000 There's women out there bow hunting who are very successful with a 50 pound bow. 1.00

00:25:37.000 It's true.

00:25:38.000 You can do it. 0.97

00:25:39.000 But, you know, I want to shoot 90. What I want on an animal is I want two holes. 0.96

00:25:45.000 I want that arrow blowing through so I have two holes spilling blood and that's how I'm going to recover the animal.

00:25:52.000 You know, an arrow kills from hemorrhage, so not from shock like a rifle would.

00:25:57.000 So to get that hemorrhage, whereas a 50-pound bow might go in halfway and it might get into the lungs and it might kill it.

00:26:04.000 You know, you might get 12 inches of penetration.

00:26:06.000 If I go clear through that bowl and it's, you know, maybe 24 inches across, well, there's a 24-inch wound as opposed to a 12-inch wound.

00:26:14.000 And again, we're killing by hemorrhage.

00:26:16.000 And so it's just going to be that much more lethal in my mind.

00:26:19.000 And then if I'm blowing through ribs or through a shoulder or it's quartering way hard, so I have to go through maybe 30 inches of mass, I'm going to be able to do that.

00:26:28.000 It's not necessary, so to speak, but it's what I'm comfortable with and I think it makes me that more lethal of a bowhunter.

00:26:37.000 How many other dudes are shooting 90 pounds?

00:26:39.000 I'm not sure.

00:26:40.000 Is there anybody?

00:26:41.000 I don't know.

00:26:42.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

00:26:43.000 Probably one or two?

00:26:44.000 I don't know.

00:26:45.000 I'm sure there's some.

00:26:47.000 Well, I just pulled it back, and I was thinking, when I was pulling it back, I was like, imagine pulling this thing back if you just climbed up the top of a mountain, and you're absolutely exhausted, and then you have this one opportunity.

00:26:56.000 Have you ever had that happen, where you're really exhausted to work to get to where the elk is, and then you're so tired you have a hard time pulling the ball?

00:27:04.000 No.

00:27:05.000 No?

00:27:06.000 No.

00:27:06.000 That's because you train hard.

00:27:08.000 Right, yeah.

00:27:09.000 No, that's never been an issue.

00:27:10.000 Yeah.

00:27:12.000 No.

00:27:13.000 But it's because you prepare.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:15.000 For the average person, I mean, 90 pounds, it's really difficult to lift.

00:27:19.000 I mean, you're essentially, you're using two hands, sort of, but a bulk of the work has got to be in your right arm, right?

00:27:25.000 Yeah, I mean, it's difficult.

00:27:27.000 You know, where I think would be more difficult is if you're sitting in a tree stand for hours, freezing, and then a buck walks by and you have a 90-pound bow, that would be hard.

00:27:36.000 Yeah.

00:27:37.000 That would be, because you're not warmed up, you're not, you know, active.

00:27:39.000 So that could be difficult, but...

00:27:41.000 I did use, I had that bow for a late season hunt back home and it was cold.

00:27:48.000 It was like seven degrees and I'd been up there for hours and I'm just like, okay, this is going to be a test now if I can pull this back and I was able to.

00:27:56.000 Well, it's just because you trained so hard.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, if I didn't do what I do every day, there's no way.

00:28:02.000 That's great.

00:28:03.000 How many other guys are doing that?

00:28:04.000 How many other guys are in shape and treating this almost like a sport?

00:28:09.000 There's more.

00:28:10.000 There's more doing it now, especially guys out west.

00:28:14.000 I get emails from Georgia, from people.

00:28:20.000 What I found is that, like you talked about earlier, it kind of gives your life purpose.

00:28:26.000 Everybody has a job, people have families, everything else, and they just kind of They need to find something that can define them or motivate them.

00:28:36.000 And now all of a sudden training for hunting is something.

00:28:39.000 You know, before that was, you know, nobody ever did it.

00:28:42.000 So now maybe that is what's making a difference in their life.

00:28:46.000 And so, you know, and I still get people who, they don't like it.

00:28:51.000 They don't like feeling like they have to train to hunt.

00:28:54.000 And so I get criticized a lot for my approach also.

00:29:00.000 What do they say?

00:29:01.000 Oh, what are you doing?

00:29:02.000 Getting in shape?

00:29:03.000 What are you doing?

00:29:04.000 Getting strong and healthy? 0.99

00:29:06.000 Asshole? 0.99

00:29:08.000 What kind of criticisms did they come up with? 0.97

00:29:10.000 I would love to hear those.

00:29:12.000 I don't know if it's funny.

00:29:16.000 It's been irritating, but I just kind of blow it off.

00:29:18.000 Has it actually irritated you?

00:29:20.000 Yeah, a little bit.

00:29:21.000 You've got to get tougher.

00:29:22.000 You gotta work on that aspect of your training.

00:29:24.000 Okay, I do, definitely.

00:29:26.000 But they'll say stuff like, oh, Cameron says you have to be able to run a marathon to kill an elk.

00:29:32.000 Which is, I've never said that.

00:29:34.000 I do that, but you don't have to.

00:29:37.000 Or, you know, I saw something the other day that says, oh, you know, my approach is what's wrong with hunting today.

00:29:45.000 It's like...

00:29:46.000 Whoa, being healthy and strong?

00:29:49.000 Yes, I don't know.

00:29:50.000 Not eating sugar, not drinking alcohol, eating healthy foods and working out.

00:29:54.000 Yeah, you're what's wrong with the world, man. 1.00

00:29:56.000 Basically, all these healthy fuckers out there ruining it for everybody else. 1.00

00:30:00.000 I know. 1.00

00:30:01.000 All these fat guys like to sit in tree stands and blow farts. 0.99

00:30:04.000 They're upset. 0.96

00:30:05.000 Guys like you are out there doing something exciting.

00:30:08.000 I guess.

00:30:08.000 I don't know.

00:30:09.000 So anyway, I do get criticized just because...

00:30:13.000 You know, hunting for some people is kind of just a getaway, and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:30:19.000 It's a vacation.

00:30:20.000 Sure.

00:30:21.000 It's not something you want to gear your life around, and that's okay.

00:30:24.000 I get that.

00:30:24.000 You don't have to train every day if all you're looking for is just to get away and relax.

00:30:29.000 There's nothing wrong with that in any endeavor, whether it's a game or a sport or even martial arts.

00:30:36.000 I mean, there's nothing wrong with Taking a martial art class once a week just for exercise.

00:30:40.000 My friend Joey Diaz, he's big, he's overweight, he takes jiu-jitsu all the time.

00:30:45.000 He's not trying to get his black belt, he just wants to get his blood pumping, get a little workout in there.

00:30:50.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:30:51.000 And then I have another friend who's He's beaten world champions.

00:30:54.000 My friend Eddie is a black belt and one of the best in the world.

00:30:58.000 Both approaches are okay.

00:31:01.000 It's okay to be obsessed with something and pursue excellence, and it's okay to just enjoy it as a pastime.

00:31:07.000 The problem is that the people that enjoy it as a pastime, they're always going to get this little nagging thing in the back of their head, for some of them, especially the weak ones.

00:31:18.000 That they realize that you do it better than them.

00:31:20.000 Or they realize that if they went hunting with you, they couldn't keep up.

00:31:22.000 Or they realize if they ran with you, they can't keep up.

00:31:25.000 Or if they realize they tried to lift with you, they couldn't lift as much.

00:31:27.000 So they're like crabs in a bucket.

00:31:30.000 You know what crabs in a bucket are like?

00:31:32.000 No.

00:31:32.000 If you have a bunch of crabs in a bucket, one crab tries to get out of the bucket, and the other crabs grab them and pull them down.

00:31:38.000 Gotcha.

00:31:39.000 And that's what always happens.

00:31:40.000 I guess.

00:31:41.000 That's the number one problem with the world, is crabs in a bucket.

00:31:44.000 Yeah.

00:31:44.000 The number one problem with this world is people, instead of being inspired, they look to criticize.

00:31:50.000 People, instead of looking at someone who works hard and does something amazing, And looking at their own life, they find fault or they find weakness or they find themselves not to add up, not to measure up.

00:32:01.000 And so they get upset.

00:32:02.000 And instead of finding that inspirational and say, you know what?

00:32:06.000 I do have a belly.

00:32:07.000 I do need to get to the gym.

00:32:09.000 You know what?

00:32:09.000 I do drink too much.

00:32:10.000 I got to stop doing that. 0.99

00:32:11.000 Instead of that, they just start shitting on this one thing that causes them to feel insecure.

00:32:16.000 Not even realizing that that one thing has the potential to empower them. 0.94

00:32:21.000 Right.

00:32:21.000 Now, I don't know if I mean, it could be what's going on.

00:32:25.000 It's 100%. 1.00

00:32:25.000 Those fat fucks. 1.00

00:32:27.000 It's 100% what's going on. 1.00

00:32:29.000 It's 100%, man.

00:32:31.000 I know it because I've felt those feelings.

00:32:33.000 I've felt insecurity.

00:32:34.000 I've felt jealousy.

00:32:36.000 I've felt all that, especially as a young man before I... Figured out how to train my mind and how to embrace someone who's better than me and embrace someone who inspires me and look for it amongst my peers, look for it even amongst my enemies.

00:32:51.000 I try to be inspired by people I don't even like.

00:32:54.000 If I find someone that I think is someone who's a bad comedian, who's a joke thief, but they work hard, I try to take that aspect of them that works hard And only concentrate on that and find inspiration in it.

00:33:09.000 Because then they become valuable to me.

00:33:11.000 Then I can see the negative aspect of their behavior and that becomes valuable to me because I realize it reinforces what's bad.

00:33:18.000 But then the good aspects of it, whatever it is, you could find something in someone that you don't even like.

00:33:24.000 You could find something that they do that can inspire you.

00:33:29.000 Right.

00:33:30.000 And I get mostly all positive and People inspire me.

00:33:35.000 They say that I've helped or motivate them and this and that.

00:33:38.000 That inspires me also.

00:33:40.000 It holds me accountable.

00:33:41.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:42.000 Because now I've created this thing, and it's what I love, but it also holds me accountable.

00:33:48.000 Like, hey, I got to keep it up for the people.

00:33:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:52.000 Yes.

00:33:53.000 99% of what I get is positive.

00:33:56.000 But it seems like you remember the 1%.

00:33:58.000 You gotta train yourself to not do that.

00:34:01.000 That's mental training.

00:34:02.000 I hear you.

00:34:02.000 Mental training as well as physical training.

00:34:04.000 Believe me, man.

00:34:06.000 I've gone through it.

00:34:07.000 And what I say is it's like snake bite venom. 1.00

00:34:10.000 Like when a snake bites you, if a snake bites you for the first time, I mean, you're fucked. 1.00

00:34:15.000 You're sick. 1.00

00:34:16.000 You gotta go to the hospital.

00:34:17.000 You gotta get anti-venom.

00:34:18.000 You're in a lot of trouble.

00:34:19.000 But if you just get a little bit of venom...

00:34:21.000 A little bit of venom every day over time. 1.00

00:34:24.000 After a while, the snake bites you and you're like, bitch, get out of here. 1.00

00:34:27.000 That shit ain't gonna work on me. 1.00

00:34:29.000 You develop the ability to understand what it is. 1.00

00:34:33.000 I feel sorry for people when I just see ridiculous criticism.

00:34:37.000 I laugh.

00:34:38.000 Someone will come into my office sometimes.

00:34:39.000 My wife's like, what are you laughing at? 1.00

00:34:40.000 I'm like, some guy's making fun of me.

00:34:42.000 It's just hilarious.

00:34:43.000 Reading what they say about me makes me laugh.

00:34:46.000 If I really thought they were right, it would bother me.

00:34:49.000 But if I If I have done what I need to do and I've done all the work and I've assessed myself and I'm objective, then I can find folly in their weakness.

00:35:00.000 Right, yeah.

00:35:01.000 But you're an inspirational dude, for sure, because you inspired me.

00:35:04.000 I saw some of your videos.

00:35:06.000 I said, I like a guy who's going for things.

00:35:09.000 I like a guy who's...

00:35:10.000 It's not easy to run an ultramarathon.

00:35:13.000 It's not easy to take a 130-pound rock, put it in a pack, and walk up to the top of the hill.

00:35:17.000 When I see people doing stuff like that, I get like this...

00:35:21.000 It ramps up inside me, and I want to go work out.

00:35:24.000 I want to go do something. 0.99

00:35:25.000 I want to get shit done. 0.99

00:35:26.000 Mm-hmm. 0.96

00:35:26.000 I think people like you are really important. 0.96

00:35:29.000 The type of people that do things like that, they provide energy for countless other people, whether you're aware of it or not.

00:35:37.000 I know that you did to me, so I know that I'm not unique in that.

00:35:41.000 I know that other people who watch your videos feel the same way.

00:35:43.000 They get excited about it.

00:35:45.000 And you cause motion.

00:35:47.000 You cause effort.

00:35:50.000 Because of what you've done, you get people excited and that inspiration actually causes things to take place.

00:35:56.000 Yeah.

00:35:56.000 Well, thanks.

00:35:58.000 This is, you know, it's what I love to do.

00:36:01.000 And it's just preparing for crunch time, basically.

00:36:04.000 Getting out there and preparing to be the ultimate predator.

00:36:08.000 Not fail when all the...

00:36:10.000 You know, like when we're filming for a TV show...

00:36:13.000 There's a lot of pressure.

00:36:14.000 These hunts can be expensive.

00:36:15.000 You're traveling a long way, away from your family.

00:36:18.000 There's a lot at stake.

00:36:19.000 There's a guy with you who's being paid.

00:36:22.000 There's a big investment.

00:36:23.000 So I don't want to fail when it comes down to that moment.

00:36:27.000 Not only for me, but for other people who sacrifice.

00:36:30.000 So that's basically what the work's about.

00:36:32.000 And I think it's cool, too, that you feel that people are inspired by these things, and it actually, like, motivates you to ramp it up another notch, to keep it going even further.

00:36:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:36:43.000 No, I haven't hit my ceiling, you know?

00:36:47.000 Trying to get better every day.

00:36:48.000 Just such a badass, manly approach to life.

00:36:51.000 Elk hunting with a bow and being an expert at that.

00:36:54.000 Do you have a regular job?

00:36:56.000 Yep.

00:36:57.000 What's your regular job?

00:36:58.000 I'm supposed to be at work right now, actually.

00:36:59.000 Oh, really?

00:37:00.000 You got off?

00:37:00.000 You got a good boss.

00:37:01.000 No, they think I'm sick.

00:37:03.000 Oh, really?

00:37:04.000 No.

00:37:04.000 They're going to find out.

00:37:06.000 This is a bad move, then.

00:37:09.000 No, no, no.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, I'm a buyer for the local water and power company back home.

00:37:14.000 So I've done that for 18 years.

00:37:16.000 So you do that 40 hours a week?

00:37:18.000 Yeah.

00:37:19.000 And so how do you find the time to do all this other stuff?

00:37:22.000 Just make it happen.

00:37:23.000 Wow.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, it's just what I do.

00:37:26.000 You know how it goes.

00:37:28.000 I'm sure you've been there before where if I don't get my workout in or if I don't do it, I'm just in a bad mood.

00:37:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:35.000 So we just make time to make it happen and it's just what I do.

00:37:40.000 The other part about working out about the bad mood part is that your body sort of develops this habit of pumping out energy.

00:37:51.000 When you get in shape and you get your body really fit and you get your body used to exerting these big explosive bursts of energy like lifting or jujitsu or whatever it is, your body sort of ramps up for that And then it's like, hey, where's my release?

00:38:06.000 Right.

00:38:07.000 You know, like, hey, we're ready to go.

00:38:08.000 Hey, we're ready to go. 1.00

00:38:09.000 Why are we in the fucking office, man? 0.99

00:38:11.000 What's going on here? 1.00

00:38:12.000 We're going to kill something. 1.00

00:38:13.000 I'm going to shoot a bow at somebody. 1.00

00:38:14.000 What's going on? 0.78

00:38:15.000 Why can't I lift weights?

00:38:17.000 Yeah.

00:38:17.000 Hey, hey, this is kind of crazy.

00:38:19.000 And you don't have that release.

00:38:21.000 And I think our bodies are probably designed for a certain amount of that, being that we were...

00:38:28.000 You know, for who knows how many thousands of years we were hunter-gatherers and we essentially share the same DNA as those human beings that lived 30, 40,000 years ago.

00:38:36.000 There's not much of a difference between us and them.

00:38:39.000 There's got to be a lot of the old reward, the reward mechanisms of life, like, still in our DNA. And I think that people who don't exercise those reward mechanisms We're good to go.

00:38:57.000 We're good to go. 0.99

00:39:18.000 I want to say your spirit, but that's a word that's been hijacked by so many shitheads wearing crystals around their neck. 0.97

00:39:25.000 But it seems like there's something in you that opens up this weird path that like, oh, you didn't even know this was there. 0.98

00:39:35.000 This predator path, this path of connection to the animals, connection to the wild world, going out there and getting an animal and eating it.

00:39:45.000 And I don't even mean it in like a macho, like, look how cool I am way.

00:39:49.000 I really mean it in a spiritual way.

00:39:51.000 There's this weird spiritual connection you have to the Mother Earth when it provides for you, to the animals of the wild itself when you go out and you get one and then you use it for sustenance.

00:40:02.000 Yeah, no, and that's...

00:40:04.000 People who think it's just about getting meat, like I heard, I think you were talking with John Hackleman.

00:40:10.000 He didn't really understand hunting at all.

00:40:12.000 But they think it's akin to going to the store and buying a steak.

00:40:18.000 It couldn't be further from the truth.

00:40:20.000 It's the exact opposite of that, really.

00:40:22.000 Yeah, you're getting meat, and yeah, you're eating it.

00:40:25.000 But it's a connection.

00:40:27.000 It's everything else that it's all about.

00:40:31.000 That's where the power comes from.

00:40:33.000 Yeah.

00:40:34.000 Man, without that, I don't know.

00:40:37.000 I mean, that's everything.

00:40:39.000 That's my life.

00:40:40.000 You know, just gearing up for that is what I do.

00:40:43.000 Well, I do a lot of exciting things.

00:40:45.000 I'm a very fortunate person.

00:40:47.000 Whether it's stand-up comedy or whether it's working for the UFC, the things that I do, I truly love doing.

00:40:54.000 And they're very exciting things.

00:40:55.000 I mean, when the UFC starts, when the fights are going on, I never feel like I should be anywhere else.

00:41:01.000 I'm always very excited to be there.

00:41:04.000 Hunting's even more exciting than that.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 And it's accessible to everyone.

00:41:08.000 Whereas, like, not everybody gets to be the commentator for the UFC. Right.

00:41:11.000 Lucky for me, I'm the only one.

00:41:13.000 Or, you know, there's a couple other guys that do it when I'm not doing it, but...

00:41:15.000 They're not as good.

00:41:16.000 Thank you very much.

00:41:17.000 Appreciate that.

00:41:18.000 I think a lot of them are really good, but that's to me.

00:41:21.000 But, you know what I'm saying?

00:41:22.000 It's like, that's a job that maybe five people on the planet get to do.

00:41:26.000 Right.

00:41:26.000 As far as do commentary for MMA. Three in the UFC. But...

00:41:31.000 Hunting, everybody can do it.

00:41:33.000 A lot of people can do it.

00:41:35.000 That's the other thing that I really like about your approach.

00:41:37.000 You go on public land.

00:41:39.000 You do it in the national forests.

00:41:42.000 You do it in the areas where they're accessible to all these folks.

00:41:45.000 You can get a tag, just like everybody else.

00:41:49.000 You get your license, just like everybody else.

00:41:51.000 And you go out there, and you're not doing one of these canned hunts.

00:41:55.000 This is really like the American wilderness that you're entering into.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, and that's, you know, I have done, so I've had guides, like when I go someplace where guides require Canada or different places, but Where I basically made a name for myself was in the wilderness by myself on solo hunts.

00:42:15.000 And, you know, to tell you the truth, I was worried.

00:42:18.000 I think, let's see, I wrote an article.

00:42:20.000 It was either 99 or 2000. I went with my buddy South Cox.

00:42:24.000 He's from California here.

00:42:25.000 The dude should change his name.

00:42:27.000 No, he's a stud.

00:42:29.000 At least North Cox is like...

00:42:32.000 South's a stud. 1.00

00:42:33.000 Yeah, what the fuck? 1.00

00:42:34.000 Your parents hate them or something? 1.00

00:42:35.000 Why don't you call them Southcocks? 0.99

00:42:37.000 It's COX. Oh, whatever.

00:42:40.000 Courtney.

00:42:41.000 Yeah, so we went and we both killed good bulls and I killed a buck also.

00:42:47.000 And I wrote this article about it and the photos were awesome.

00:42:52.000 Just the whole experience is good.

00:42:53.000 And I thought, this is going to screw up my hunting because this is public land.

00:42:57.000 This is Eagle Cap Wilderness.

00:42:58.000 And this is probably the last time this hunting is ever going to be good because people are going to see this and they're going to want to do it.

00:43:04.000 And now where I didn't see anybody for years, there's going to be tons of people.

00:43:10.000 Well, next year came around, went back in there.

00:43:13.000 There's nobody there.

00:43:14.000 And so, you know, I ended up writing a book about that type of hunting, and still nobody was there.

00:43:20.000 And the bottom line is, yes, it's available to everybody, but it's very tough.

00:43:25.000 And you're near 12 miles from the nearest road, and you're living off your back in some of the most unforgiving country there is.

00:43:32.000 That's just never easy.

00:43:34.000 And so people try it.

00:43:35.000 And I've taken friends back there who I wanted to love it as much as I do.

00:43:41.000 And, you know, we're back there for a day.

00:43:45.000 And they're like, dude, I'm ready to go.

00:43:48.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:43:51.000 This is as good as it gets.

00:43:55.000 They're like, this isn't what I expected.

00:43:58.000 My feet hurt.

00:44:01.000 The thing about it is, just because you love it, not everybody's gonna love it.

00:44:05.000 And it's something that you can't make them.

00:44:08.000 No.

00:44:08.000 And so they see the photos, they see the video, they see the animals, and they're like, man, that is awesome.

00:44:13.000 I want to do that too.

00:44:15.000 Unless it's in you, it's just going to be a struggle.

00:44:19.000 It is available, but it's still tough.

00:44:22.000 It's like taking someone who's a rap fan to your favorite country concert.

00:44:27.000 And they're like, Jesus, what's wrong with you?

00:44:30.000 And you're like, come on, man!

00:44:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:32.000 No, it's got to be, yeah.

00:44:35.000 It's not for everybody.

00:44:37.000 Well, that's the beautiful thing about life.

00:44:38.000 There's a lot of choices.

00:44:40.000 There's so much variety.

00:44:41.000 There's so many different things that you could be into.

00:44:44.000 You know, one of the real problems with life is people want you to be into what they're into.

00:44:49.000 Right.

00:44:49.000 And if you're not into what they're into, there's something wrong with you.

00:44:52.000 Or if they're not into what you're into, there's something wrong with you.

00:44:56.000 Right.

00:44:56.000 But the thing about that is I don't need anybody to be into it.

00:45:00.000 So, I was just like...

00:45:01.000 So, my buddy, Roy, who I started hunting in the wilderness with, he moved to Alaska.

00:45:06.000 And he's just a stud.

00:45:07.000 He was my partner.

00:45:08.000 We both, like, had the same mindset that there's no sacrifice too great.

00:45:13.000 We can't be in enough pain.

00:45:15.000 It doesn't even matter.

00:45:16.000 And he moved.

00:45:17.000 So, I'm like, okay, I need to find...

00:45:18.000 I tried to find somebody to take...

00:45:20.000 And eventually, I figured out...

00:45:22.000 There's nobody like Roy Roth.

00:45:24.000 So I'm just either going to quit hunting there or go on my own.

00:45:27.000 And so I just was like, it's on my own.

00:45:30.000 And so that's where I started doing the solo wilderness hunts.

00:45:34.000 And like I said, it's a good thing about you don't need anybody else.

00:45:40.000 People don't like doing it because...

00:45:42.000 You're so far out of your comfort zone.

00:45:44.000 We're so distracted with everything that's going on in the regular world that being in the wilderness where there's nothing is overwhelming for a lot of people.

00:45:53.000 It's just...

00:45:54.000 I mean, it's difficult mentally.

00:45:57.000 Yeah, just being alone in the wilderness has got to be a very rare experience.

00:46:04.000 People freak the fuck out when they're alone in the wilderness.

00:46:07.000 That's a scary thing for them because...

00:46:10.000 They worry about getting trapped.

00:46:11.000 They worry about getting injured, not being able to get out.

00:46:14.000 No one's going to be able to find them.

00:46:16.000 Like, if you don't have a satellite phone and a backup satellite phone and a handgun, there's a lot of fear involved in being in the actual wild itself.

00:46:27.000 Yeah, and they worry about stuff.

00:46:30.000 They make up stuff to worry about.

00:46:31.000 I mean, just to give them a way out.

00:46:34.000 And so...

00:46:36.000 And that was true for me, too.

00:46:38.000 I mean, it was overwhelming for me.

00:46:40.000 I didn't go back in there in the mountains for a 10-day solo hunt right out of the gate.

00:46:44.000 I went for, like, one night.

00:46:46.000 Like, I went on a scouting trip and then stayed one night, then came out.

00:46:50.000 And it just kind of baby steps into it because it's, you know, if you polled, you know, I don't know how many people there are here in L.A., but how many people have stayed out overnight in the mountains by themselves It's not going to be very many people.

00:47:06.000 I mean, it's, I don't know, five?

00:47:09.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:47:10.000 I mean, it's just not something people do in this day and age.

00:47:13.000 And so, it's because it's, you know, you're out of your comfort zone.

00:47:18.000 But if you can do that, and I became good at that, and actually then I loved it.

00:47:25.000 I remember, let's see, it was...

00:47:30.000 Let me think.

00:47:30.000 I don't know.

00:47:31.000 I can't remember the year, but I killed a 6x6 bull elk by myself.

00:47:36.000 And it was my best bull.

00:47:37.000 And I got out of the wilderness, had this little Toyota four-wheel drive.

00:47:40.000 I had this bull loaded up, and I was just so pumped.

00:47:43.000 Finally got cell service out on the highway.

00:47:45.000 And I'm driving home.

00:47:47.000 I called my wife and I was like, hey Trace, I killed a 6x6 bull.

00:47:52.000 And she's like, Princess Di died.

00:47:55.000 I'm like, what?

00:47:56.000 She's like, Princess Di died.

00:47:59.000 I go...

00:48:00.000 Who cares? 0.97

00:48:01.000 I killed a six by six bull.

00:48:03.000 It was just like, you're so, you know, to everybody else, Princess Diana dying was just like, you know, the world's going to stop.

00:48:11.000 But when you're back in the wilderness and you killed a six by six bull elk, nothing else matters.

00:48:17.000 And that's, I just remembered that's the difference between living back there where it's just about, am I going to find a place to sleep tonight?

00:48:25.000 Am I going to be warm?

00:48:27.000 And will I have food?

00:48:28.000 That's it.

00:48:29.000 That's all you care about.

00:48:30.000 Well, we're inundated by information these days.

00:48:32.000 We have, like, constant information coming at us from all around the world.

00:48:36.000 The 7 billion people in the entire planet provide stories.

00:48:41.000 So anytime anything happens that's interesting or extraordinary or scary or disgusting...

00:48:49.000 You're going to hear about it.

00:48:50.000 And if you just sit in front of your computer like I do some days, like some days, man, I get on Twitter and I just can't stop clicking.

00:48:58.000 I'm just like, what?

00:48:59.000 That's not real.

00:49:00.000 Oh my God, it is real. 1.00

00:49:01.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:49:02.000 And I retweet it and then, you know, like you could lose your day. 1.00

00:49:07.000 Your day, it doesn't exist.

00:49:08.000 What you're doing is just in, you're just collecting stuff.

00:49:12.000 All this information from around the world.

00:49:14.000 But it's not your life.

00:49:16.000 Your life is just Cameron Haynes, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot.

00:49:21.000 What do I see through my eyes?

00:49:24.000 Who's around me?

00:49:25.000 Where are my loved ones?

00:49:26.000 That's your real life.

00:49:28.000 That's it.

00:49:28.000 But you're sitting and wondering about whether or not...

00:49:31.000 What if when you shot the arrow, right as that arrow hit that bull, Princess Di died. 1.00

00:49:35.000 Wouldn't that be fucked? 1.00

00:49:36.000 That'd be crazy. 1.00

00:49:37.000 That'd be strange. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Maybe somehow, someway, I killed her. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Maybe. 0.98

00:49:41.000 Yeah, look, stranger things have happened.

00:49:44.000 You know, if you believe in those things, if you believe in the synchronicities of the world, that would be crazy.

00:49:50.000 That would be quite poetic.

00:49:53.000 Because if your wife's like, Plintus Dye died, and you're like, yeah, I know. 0.90

00:49:56.000 Yeah.

00:49:57.000 Right through the lungs.

00:49:58.000 It was a double lung.

00:50:00.000 She was in the form of an elk.

00:50:01.000 She was a spiritual elk.

00:50:03.000 Right. 0.89

00:50:04.000 She bugled and I shot one right through the lungs. 1.00

00:50:07.000 She was hot, but not as hot as that bull elk at that moment.

00:50:12.000 So I don't know.

00:50:13.000 Maybe if that was like an 8x9 bull elk, it could have been her. 0.89

00:50:17.000 I don't think you're supposed to say she was hot. 0.99

00:50:19.000 I think she was royal.

00:50:21.000 She was not really hot.

00:50:23.000 She had some royal hotness. 1.00

00:50:24.000 You think so?

00:50:24.000 I think so.

00:50:26.000 Not my type.

00:50:28.000 I don't think she could get down.

00:50:29.000 Princess Di.

00:50:30.000 I don't think she could get down.

00:50:31.000 I thought she was partying when she died in a car wreck, right?

00:50:35.000 Well, she was running away from the press, right?

00:50:38.000 Wasn't it like a paparazzi situation?

00:50:40.000 Yeah, with a boyfriend or something.

00:50:41.000 I don't think she was partying.

00:50:41.000 Yeah, she had a boyfriend, right?

00:50:43.000 Yeah.

00:50:43.000 Was that what was up?

00:50:44.000 She was breaking up with Princess Charles and she was...

00:50:48.000 Her life was in turmoil.

00:50:49.000 That makes her hot? 1.00

00:50:50.000 It's not my type.

00:50:52.000 I'm not into that kind of chick.

00:50:53.000 Okay.

00:50:54.000 She doesn't seem like she could get down.

00:50:56.000 But that's just me.

00:50:57.000 I mean, all due respect.

00:50:59.000 Rest in peace, Mrs. Dye.

00:51:01.000 Yeah.

00:51:02.000 That's a thing, though, man.

00:51:03.000 People do really get caught up. 1.00

00:51:05.000 Like, my wife tried to tell me some stupid celebrity shit the other day, and she was going on about some things. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Can you believe that this said that and that? 1.00

00:51:13.000 I'm like, I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:51:15.000 I literally don't give zero. 1.00

00:51:17.000 I give zero fucks. 0.98

00:51:18.000 Let's stop talking about this. 1.00

00:51:20.000 There's so much shit to talk about. 0.99

00:51:21.000 But those salacious... 1.00

00:51:31.000 It's probably bullshit, but it might be true, that Bill Clinton had an affair with Elizabeth Hurley. 0.99

00:51:39.000 Did you see that? 1.00

00:51:41.000 I thought about that shit all day. 1.00

00:51:44.000 I thought about it all day. 1.00

00:51:45.000 I kept going back to the thread, seeing what new developments.

00:51:49.000 First of all, I got two things out of that. 0.99

00:51:51.000 First of all, Tom Sizemore can't keep a fucking secret. 1.00

00:51:54.000 Whatever you do, don't tell Sizemore who you're banging because that motherfucker spills the beans. 1.00

00:52:00.000 Don't trust heroin addicts with the truth. 1.00

00:52:03.000 That's one thing.

00:52:03.000 I'll write that down.

00:52:04.000 Yeah, trust me. 0.98

00:52:05.000 And the other thing is, I think that Bill Clinton is the last of the great American presidential dick-slingers. 0.98

00:52:12.000 That's it. 0.99

00:52:13.000 Playboys.

00:52:14.000 It ends with him.

00:52:16.000 You can't do that anymore.

00:52:18.000 We are going to be reduced to...

00:52:21.000 Not that there's anything...

00:52:23.000 Good about being that guy, because obviously he was kind of a creeper.

00:52:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:29.000 Bill Clinton was one of those weird guys that would just like whip it out on girls. 1.00

00:52:33.000 Like if you talk to, I didn't talk to, but if you read some of the accounts of some of those women that were like really angry at him from Arkansas, he would get alone with them and just whip it out.

00:52:41.000 There's him and Hurley.

00:52:42.000 For sure he hit that, right? 1.00

00:52:45.000 God damn. 0.99

00:52:49.000 But that's it. 1.00

00:52:50.000 We're not going to have any more of those guys.

00:52:52.000 No, no.

00:52:53.000 And when you're talking about different things, here's how it affects me.

00:52:58.000 So people talk about, well...

00:53:00.000 Obama did this, this or that.

00:53:02.000 I'm like, okay, do I have to go to work tomorrow?

00:53:04.000 Because if I have to go to work tomorrow, not much has changed in my life.

00:53:07.000 If I don't have to go to work for some reason, then I'll start paying attention.

00:53:12.000 That's how I figure it out.

00:53:13.000 Well, that's a good way to look at your own life.

00:53:16.000 That's a good way to manage your own life.

00:53:19.000 The problem, of course, is that this is supposed to be some sort of a community.

00:53:23.000 Our country is supposed to be some big giant community and the people that are running this community that are in charge of dictating the rules and the regulations are clearly screwing it up.

00:53:34.000 Clearly.

00:53:35.000 This is not the optimum way to run any country.

00:53:38.000 I don't know if it's possible to optimally run a country with the mess that's been created before the people that got into power, in power, before they got into positions of having any control.

00:53:51.000 There's probably so much Bureaucracy and crazy shit behind the scenes as far as like special interest groups and lobbyists and the massive web is probably so deep you could never hack through it all, clean it all up and come up with some sort of a rational system.

00:54:10.000 So you got two options. 1.00

00:54:12.000 One, you could obsess on it and work feverishly until your fucking heart stops beating and then you die an angry person. 1.00

00:54:18.000 This system sucks! 1.00

00:54:20.000 Boom! 1.00

00:54:20.000 And your heart blows in your chest and you fall down and shit your pants and die in agony. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Or, you just live your life saying, okay, I'm going to leave that shit to somebody else, let them run it, and I'm going to go wandering through the woods with pointy sticks and I like your approach better. 1.00

00:54:38.000 Well, I think whoever is running the country, they'd do a much better job if they were bow hunters. 1.00

00:54:43.000 If they had been in the mountains and actually tried to survive and then maybe even killed an animal and took it back to their family...

00:54:51.000 I think they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief.

00:54:54.000 I think that's probably true.

00:54:55.000 I think if they were a martial artist, they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief.

00:54:58.000 I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Putin. 0.52

00:55:00.000 I think Putin is kind of a psycho, but I respect the fact that he's a black belt in judo, and he's a real martial artist, and he sort of carries himself in that way. 0.99

00:55:10.000 Like, if Obama and Putin were gonna throw down, Putin would fuck Obama up. 1.00

00:55:14.000 That bothers me. 0.99

00:55:16.000 That disturbs me, you know? 1.00

00:55:18.000 I wish my president could kick a little ass. 1.00

00:55:22.000 Not that it's the most important thing in the world, but... 1.00

00:55:24.000 Supposedly he plays basketball. 0.87

00:55:25.000 Whichever video clip I've seen of him playing basketball, he looks like he sucks at that too, so... 0.98

00:55:29.000 Supposedly he plays pool, and I'll fucking give him the six out and the breaks. 0.97

00:55:33.000 Anytime he wants to gamble, let's do it. 0.97

00:55:35.000 Let's do it, Obama.

00:55:36.000 Come on.

00:55:36.000 You got a spot.

00:55:38.000 I think, um...

00:55:39.000 I think that any very, very difficult thing that anybody does, whether it's bow hunting or martial arts or anything where it's incredibly difficult to accomplish something, it sort of separates the people that will quit from the people that figure out a way to succeed.

00:55:55.000 And that's really, that overcoming adversity, that's where character comes from.

00:56:00.000 And that's the things that we all admire. 1.00

00:56:02.000 And that shit's hardwired into us, man. 1.00

00:56:05.000 The admiration of that, like... 1.00

00:56:07.000 Just as simple as me watching your video of you carrying that rock up a hill.

00:56:11.000 I mean, is it important that you carry that rock up a hill in the greater scheme of the universe?

00:56:15.000 No, it's not.

00:56:16.000 But to me it was. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Because to me that day I was like, this motherfucker's doing some shit that I probably can't do right now. 0.99

00:56:23.000 And when you see that, it makes you like, I want to be able to carry that rock up the hill. 1.00

00:56:27.000 All right, well, if I'm going to fucking start out with a 35-pound plate, I'm going to carry that up the hill.

00:56:31.000 I'm going to work my way up to that big rock.

00:56:33.000 And that inspiring each other and the ability to push yourself to these incredible heights is really one of the more exciting aspects of being a person.

00:56:46.000 It's one of the things that makes being a man or a woman, I mean, I guess being a woman, I'm not a woman, so I don't know.

00:56:51.000 I thought about it sometimes, what it would be like.

00:56:54.000 But it makes it, it gives you thrills.

00:57:00.000 It gives you excitement.

00:57:02.000 It gives you these feelings of accomplishment when you achieve things.

00:57:06.000 They're some of the greatest moments in life.

00:57:08.000 And I feel bad for people that have never stuck their neck out.

00:57:12.000 I feel bad for people that have never taken chances.

00:57:15.000 Not because they're less.

00:57:17.000 Because they're not less.

00:57:18.000 They're just, they haven't reached their potential.

00:57:21.000 It's not that their potential is less.

00:57:23.000 I feel like probably inside all of us, we all have the potential for greatness in one way or another.

00:57:29.000 As long as we don't have any obvious physical problems, we didn't get dealt a terrible genetic hand of cards with a disease or something like that.

00:57:37.000 But if you don't have that, I think all of us have potential.

00:57:42.000 I feel bad for people who don't at least attempt to reach a potential in some way.

00:57:47.000 Yeah and that's you know for me I don't I didn't feel I don't feel like I'm any different from anybody else you know because I've been back in my early 20s I remember I signed up for a 10k race 6.2 miles back home and quit I mean I always had been partying I was I don't know what 19 or 20 and uh it's just whatever not in shape and I'm like why am I doing this and stepped off the course And I'll never forget what

00:58:17.000 that moment felt like being a quitter.

00:58:19.000 And that is crazy.

00:58:22.000 But the point is, so if I've been that guy who quit a six-mile race, and I've come and now have done what I can do or what I finally...

00:58:32.000 Believe or figured out I could do anybody can you know what I mean?

00:58:37.000 I'm not like crazy talented or or have all this ability that just is natural It's just but it's what I what I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day and I've been able to achieve what some might consider you know Big accomplishments.

00:58:52.000 And I'm just a regular guy.

00:58:54.000 You're a regular guy, but you're a regular guy who puts it out there.

00:58:58.000 And when you put it out there, that's what creates that energy.

00:59:01.000 That's what creates that inspiration.

00:59:03.000 That's what creates action. 0.99

00:59:05.000 Because people will watch your video and go, man, I'm going to the fucking gym. 0.99

00:59:09.000 And they'll go to the gym and they'll start lifting weights. 0.99

00:59:11.000 Or they'll do whatever it is that they do.

00:59:13.000 They'll get inspired by your hard work.

00:59:15.000 They'll watch that video of you getting up early in the morning and going running when you don't want to.

00:59:19.000 They see you tired.

00:59:21.000 Everybody feels that.

00:59:22.000 Everybody's seen that alarm clock go off or heard that alarm clock go off.

00:59:25.000 I'm like, I do not want to get up now.

00:59:28.000 Everybody knows that feeling, but it's overcoming that feeling.

00:59:32.000 It's developing that muscle of discipline where you look at that alarm, you hit it, and you just get up.

00:59:39.000 I had an ex-girlfriend back when I was fighting who used to get angry at the way I would get up.

00:59:47.000 Because, you know, she had to work, and I was a comedian.

00:59:50.000 I had, you know, a bunch of different, like, small-time jobs.

00:59:53.000 But when I would get up, I'd get up angry.

00:59:56.000 Because I had sort of this thing that I would do in the morning, like, before my morning workouts and I'm training.

01:00:03.000 I would, the alarm clock goes up, and I would get up like my life depended on it.

01:00:08.000 So the alarm would go off. 0.96

01:00:09.000 I'd hit it, and I'd just fucking jump out of bed like the house is on fire. 0.97

01:00:13.000 Mm-hmm. 0.98

01:00:14.000 Because I was like, that's the way to do it.

01:00:16.000 Because anything else is weak.

01:00:17.000 I had a real problem when I was young.

01:00:21.000 I was so crazy.

01:00:23.000 I competed in martial arts from the time I was 15 till I was 22. That's all I did.

01:00:28.000 And I was so crazy that I thought it was weak to want sex. 0.99

01:00:34.000 That, like, wanting sex with my girlfriend was, like, a weakness. 0.99

01:00:37.000 And that pleasure was a weakness. 0.96

01:00:39.000 Wanting to taste good food was a weakness. 0.99

01:00:42.000 You're gonna be miserable. 1.00

01:00:43.000 I was fucking crazy. 1.00

01:00:44.000 I was completely crazy. 1.00

01:00:45.000 But I would, uh, that alarm clock would get up.

01:00:47.000 That alarm clock would go off, and I would get up angry.

01:00:50.000 I would get up angry and urgent.

01:00:52.000 And that's how I'd wake up.

01:00:53.000 I'd just wake up instantly.

01:00:55.000 We gotta go.

01:00:56.000 And I'd get my shoes on and do my run or whatever I did that day in the morning. 0.99

01:01:00.000 And she would go, will you fucking stop doing that? 1.00

01:01:02.000 You fucking drive me crazy. 1.00

01:01:03.000 You get up. 1.00

01:01:04.000 I think the house is on fire or something like that.

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:07.000 She's overacting. 1.00

01:01:08.000 Got rid of that bitch. 1.00

01:01:09.000 Got a better one. 1.00

01:01:12.000 It wasn't she was overacting. 1.00

01:01:13.000 I was fucking crazy. 0.98

01:01:14.000 I wouldn't have wanted to hang out with me when I was 19. I was a fucking maniac. 1.00

01:01:17.000 But that's probably better than hitting that fucking snooze button ten times in a row. 1.00

01:01:26.000 Developing the discipline, the muscle of discipline. 0.99

01:01:30.000 I get that through inspiration.

01:01:33.000 I get that through watching a video of you seeing that alarm clock go off, knowing that you're tired, getting up and working out.

01:01:40.000 You Instagrammed a picture from Vegas when you were at the SHOT Show.

01:01:44.000 You're looking totally exhausted and you're lifting weights. 0.99

01:01:46.000 I'm like, fuck yeah, he's doing it. 0.98

01:01:48.000 That's what you got to do. 0.99

01:01:49.000 You don't want to lift weights?

01:01:50.000 Good.

01:01:51.000 Go lift weights.

01:01:51.000 You're tired?

01:01:52.000 There's always an excuse. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Yeah, there's always an excuse. 1.00

01:01:56.000 But when you get through it, you realize life is a lot of times not about doing what you want to do.

01:02:03.000 Life is about doing what you're supposed to do or what you should do.

01:02:08.000 And then knowing that when you want to do it, it'll be even easier then.

01:02:13.000 Yeah.

01:02:15.000 That's part of my routine.

01:02:16.000 And people always ask, well, so what do you do?

01:02:19.000 What's your...

01:02:20.000 You know, routine for getting in shape.

01:02:21.000 I'm like, it's real simple.

01:02:22.000 Actually, I got it on my shirt right here.

01:02:24.000 Lift, run, shoot.

01:02:25.000 I lift, run, shoot every day.

01:02:28.000 Well, what about...

01:02:29.000 Okay, so every day?

01:02:32.000 Every day.

01:02:33.000 You don't take Sundays off?

01:02:34.000 Nothing?

01:02:35.000 Every day.

01:02:35.000 You don't take a day off a week for anything?

01:02:37.000 Every day.

01:02:38.000 Wow.

01:02:39.000 That's interesting to me.

01:02:40.000 I should add every day to the bottom.

01:02:42.000 I take days off, son.

01:02:43.000 I like days off.

01:02:45.000 And people post, hey, I would like days off too, but I can't do it.

01:02:50.000 I just can't.

01:02:51.000 You can't do it mentally?

01:02:52.000 No, I can't do it.

01:02:53.000 Really?

01:02:53.000 That's interesting.

01:02:54.000 Yeah.

01:02:54.000 And people, this one guy I remember, he posted on my, I don't know where it was, Facebook, I think.

01:03:00.000 He's like, yeah, you know, I've been following you for a long time, but everything you're doing now is just too much.

01:03:07.000 I'm like, too much what?

01:03:09.000 Too much for who?

01:03:10.000 Too much for you or too much for everybody?

01:03:13.000 And so that was like my whole thing is now I want to be the guy who does too much.

01:03:17.000 Because how do you do too much?

01:03:19.000 Right, right, right.

01:03:20.000 Too much for, I mean, who determines, is there a council that says, okay, it's been determined you're doing too much?

01:03:27.000 So...

01:03:27.000 I know what you mean.

01:03:28.000 Yeah.

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:30.000 Well, what we used to think is too much is now the norm.

01:03:33.000 Right.

01:03:34.000 You know, I mean, if you stop and look at, like, as far as, like, exercise, like, think about, like, what people used to do for exercise and now what people do now.

01:03:42.000 Like, no one trains harder than MMA fighters.

01:03:45.000 Right.

01:03:45.000 And MMA fighters, you know, if you deal with a guy like, say, you know, a George St. Pierre or a John Jones, they're training twice a day at least.

01:03:55.000 At least twice a day.

01:03:57.000 Right.

01:03:57.000 They'll take off recovery days.

01:03:59.000 Randy Couture used to take very few off days.

01:04:03.000 He would do what he would call active recovery.

01:04:06.000 Instead of wrestle, lift weights, maybe he would go mountain biking.

01:04:10.000 Maybe he would do something where he's moving, he's getting some exercise in it, but he would do what he would call an active recovery day.

01:04:19.000 Maybe he'd go hiking.

01:04:20.000 It would still work, but You're forcing your body to understand that this is what you do, dude.

01:04:27.000 This is what your body does.

01:04:29.000 For those guys especially, it might be for one minute.

01:04:35.000 Their fight might be over in a minute.

01:04:37.000 I watched Uriah the other night.

01:04:40.000 I know how hard he works.

01:04:43.000 First round, over.

01:04:45.000 Yep.

01:04:45.000 That was a very unfortunate ending, too.

01:04:49.000 And it was very unfortunate for Uriah in a lot of ways.

01:04:52.000 First of all, he went into that camp right after the McDonald fight, and he had an injured knee and an injured hamstring entering into the Burrell fight.

01:05:00.000 So he had a pulled muscle in his hamstring, a partial tear, and his knee was fucked up, so he couldn't wrestle.

01:05:06.000 So not the most optimum conditions to be fighting, not just for a world title, but against... 0.99

01:05:13.000 Easily one of the four baddest motherfuckers to walk the face of the planet. 0.99

01:05:16.000 That Hennen Barrow, he is a beast. 1.00

01:05:19.000 That kid is so good.

01:05:21.000 And he hit Uriah with one leg kick early in the fight.

01:05:24.000 And you see Uriah's leg give out.

01:05:26.000 You see that limp.

01:05:28.000 There's a limp that a guy gets when you know that shin really slammed into the meat of the muscle.

01:05:34.000 There's this stutter step that they give.

01:05:36.000 It's like, oh boy.

01:05:37.000 Long night for Uriah.

01:05:39.000 And then he got tagged.

01:05:41.000 Yeah.

01:05:41.000 Even worse that, unfortunately, he got Steve Rinella.

01:05:46.000 Do you know Steve Rinella?

01:05:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:05:47.000 Hey, man, I'm doing a fucking podcast with Cameron Haynes. 0.99

01:05:50.000 I'll call you back. 0.99

01:05:55.000 Dude, call me.

01:05:57.000 He wanted to get on there.

01:06:00.000 Yeah, probably. 1.00

01:06:00.000 He's like, listen, this guy's full of shit. 1.00

01:06:02.000 You need a 60-pound bow and that's it. 1.00

01:06:04.000 This guy's a maniac. 0.92

01:06:05.000 Stop all your lifting. 1.00

01:06:06.000 This dude's a goddamn billy goat. 1.00

01:06:08.000 We went pig hunting two weeks ago. 1.00

01:06:11.000 And, you know, just following him up the hills.

01:06:14.000 Jesus, he doesn't get tired.

01:06:16.000 Yeah.

01:06:16.000 He has no muscle mass.

01:06:18.000 You know, he's this thin guy.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:20.000 But he can go for days.

01:06:22.000 Right.

01:06:22.000 For days.

01:06:23.000 Yeah.

01:06:23.000 He just doesn't get tired.

01:06:25.000 You know, I was shocked when we were in Montana because I'm in pretty good shape.

01:06:30.000 But I would follow him up these hills and I'd be like...

01:06:33.000 And he'd be like...

01:06:36.000 Nothing?

01:06:37.000 Not even breathing heavy?

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 That's what really got me onto this idea of exercise and hunting being together, that hunting is a difficult thing.

01:06:45.000 Is that you, Karen?

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:47.000 Look at the horns on that thing.

01:06:49.000 Oh my god, those antlers are giant.

01:06:51.000 Doing lunges there.

01:06:52.000 Is that what you're doing?

01:06:53.000 No.

01:06:54.000 No, you're just picking it up?

01:06:55.000 Yeah.

01:06:55.000 That's a good way to do it though, right?

01:06:57.000 Yeah.

01:06:58.000 Now, is there any exercise that you do specifically to deal with the fact that you've got so much weight on your back?

01:07:04.000 Because when you're packing out like that...

01:07:07.000 Didn't we talk about the rock?

01:07:08.000 Yeah, but I mean, what I'm saying is to compensate for that.

01:07:11.000 Not just doing that and carrying the rock, but is there any other, like, do you do those Roman chair exercises or something to strengthen your lower back?

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:21.000 Because it seems like your core and a lot of the areas of your back are really taxed.

01:07:27.000 Your spine carrying a lot of weight on a pack like that.

01:07:31.000 Well, I mean, I'm working core all the time from planks to...

01:07:36.000 All the lifts that I do.

01:07:38.000 Shooting a bow can be core.

01:07:40.000 It is.

01:07:40.000 I mean, you're trying to hold steady.

01:07:43.000 You're engaging your core.

01:07:45.000 So, yeah, I do it in running the mountain.

01:07:48.000 So, whether I have the rock or not, I'm running that mountain.

01:07:51.000 And when you're on an uneven trail and you're juking around and stepping in holes, you know, you're engaging your core.

01:07:58.000 And then, of course, we do, you know, regular lifts, deadlifts, and whatever else.

01:08:04.000 So, I don't know.

01:08:05.000 I'll try to mix it up.

01:08:06.000 Yeah, I would imagine that there's a lot of crazy muscle groups involved in not just carrying that rock out, but just in shooting that bow, do you balance out your body because you're pulling so hard on your right side?

01:08:20.000 Do you ever pull your bow just with your left side just to balance it out?

01:08:24.000 No, I think the lifting helps that, you know?

01:08:27.000 I mean, because lifting is pretty much you're engaging both sides equally.

01:08:31.000 So the bow, the bow just is what it is.

01:08:33.000 I probably, I probably am a little unbalanced, but you wouldn't be able to tell.

01:08:38.000 But just from, you know, 27 years of doing it or whatever it's been.

01:08:43.000 Yeah, my friend Steve Maxwell, who's a pretty famous strength and conditioning expert, he works with a lot of people that have imbalances, like kickers in the NFL, and he gets them to kick on the opposite side.

01:08:55.000 And one of the things that they found is that when you use your weaker side, like say if you have a strong side, and they found this with jujitsu as well, it actually enhances your ability on your strong side.

01:09:09.000 So if you, I find that playing pool too.

01:09:12.000 I shoot pool left-handed sometimes.

01:09:14.000 Like if I'm playing my daughter or if I'm playing someone who sucks, I'll shoot pool left-handed. 0.58

01:09:18.000 And then sometimes when left-handed comes up, like there's a shot that I can't reach right-handed, I'll shoot it left-handed. 0.95

01:09:23.000 There you go.

01:09:24.000 And if I practice left-handed, then my right hand becomes better because I have to concentrate so hard to use my left hand because it doesn't know how to move right.

01:09:33.000 It's all goofy.

01:09:34.000 It's not thinking right.

01:09:35.000 And my right hand just falls right into place.

01:09:38.000 They say that using your weak side actually enhances your strong side, using your less dominant side.

01:09:44.000 Yeah, I don't know if I could shoot a bow left.

01:09:46.000 I know you could.

01:09:47.000 Don't say you couldn't.

01:09:49.000 You could 100%.

01:09:50.000 I'll bet everything I own that you could shoot a bow left-handed.

01:09:53.000 The only difference between that is you have your dominant eye.

01:09:56.000 Yes.

01:09:56.000 Right?

01:09:57.000 So to shoot left-handed, I'd have to use what isn't my dominant eye.

01:10:00.000 I'd have to use my left eye to aim.

01:10:02.000 Yeah, I don't think that'd be a problem.

01:10:04.000 You know what I started doing recently at the range? 0.66

01:10:06.000 I started shooting left-handed because I was shooting so many rounds with my right that I was fucking up my right shoulder. 0.93

01:10:11.000 Oh, really? 0.84

01:10:12.000 The.300 Win Mag.

01:10:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:10:14.000 I was slamming that thing into my shoulder so many times, I was like, let me just fucking shoot a bunch of rounds lefty. 0.97

01:10:19.000 That's why rifle hunting is bad. 0.98

01:10:21.000 Because of the shock, the impact.

01:10:24.000 Just get a muzzle break.

01:10:24.000 It's too noisy.

01:10:26.000 It's definitely noisy, but I got these cool earphones that you listen to.

01:10:31.000 They cancel the sound out except talking.

01:10:35.000 The sound of gunshots gets muffled radically, but I can hear you loud and clear if you're talking to me.

01:10:43.000 Actually, I can hear you louder than I could with my ears.

01:10:46.000 It actually enhances the sound.

01:10:48.000 Yeah, my friend Justin, who's a gun nut, told me about them.

01:10:50.000 They're incredible.

01:10:51.000 Justin Martindale?

01:10:52.000 No, no.

01:10:53.000 It's different.

01:10:55.000 He's a different kind of gun nut.

01:10:58.000 Justin, call it.

01:10:59.000 Justin Martindale's a different kind of gun nut.

01:11:01.000 Yeah.

01:11:02.000 But he is a gun nut.

01:11:07.000 Science!

01:11:08.000 But I found that, like, shooting lefty, like, practicing left-handed, it made me, like, so happy that I could go back to right-handed because I was so much better at it.

01:11:18.000 You know?

01:11:19.000 I think that if you, well, you're so good at shooting bow and arrow anyway, but if you did start shooting left-handed, I bet it would make your right hand better.

01:11:26.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:11:26.000 Have you ever thought about getting Hoyt to make you a left-handed bow?

01:11:29.000 I think they'd do it.

01:11:30.000 Let's do it.

01:11:31.000 Call Hoyt up.

01:11:32.000 I just want to thank you and Hoyt for bringing me this awesome bow.

01:11:36.000 Hoyt, which is one of the best bow manufacturers on earth, brought this Hoyt Carbon Spider Turbo for me, and it is amazing.

01:11:45.000 We actually have a little bit of an archery set up back here in the back of the studio, so we shot a couple of targets with it, but this bow is sick.

01:11:54.000 Yeah, I have one just like it.

01:11:55.000 It's amazing, man.

01:11:56.000 It's really, really awesome.

01:11:58.000 It feels great.

01:11:59.000 I brought the Factor.

01:12:00.000 Yeah, yours is 90 pounds.

01:12:02.000 The one you brought me is 70 pounds, which makes me feel like a little girl.

01:12:06.000 I'm going to have to ramp it up.

01:12:07.000 Yeah.

01:12:08.000 That thing's incredible.

01:12:10.000 I was amazed at how hard that is to pull back, too.

01:12:12.000 That's really hard.

01:12:13.000 Yeah.

01:12:14.000 I mean, it's like, you know, it really is like doing a 90-pound row.

01:12:17.000 Yeah.

01:12:18.000 You know?

01:12:18.000 Yeah, and a lot of it's technique.

01:12:20.000 You know, you want to push with the left, pull with the right, but...

01:12:23.000 Yeah, it's got a lot of power.

01:12:25.000 I built that or had them build that for me to hunt those water buffalo in Australia.

01:12:30.000 And then I'm going to use it in Africa on Cape Buffalo too. 0.83

01:12:33.000 Yeah, Jamie had that video up.

01:12:34.000 Jamie, pull that video up so you can see that water buffalo.

01:12:38.000 It's a long stalk, a long patient stalk on this buffalo. 0.89

01:12:43.000 And I would imagine you would want to get a bunch of trees between you and him just in case shit got hairy and you had a duck behind one of those trees. 0.89

01:12:50.000 Yeah, the thing about this... 0.91

01:12:52.000 So these animals here...

01:12:54.000 They catch movement.

01:12:57.000 So if they're not looking while you're moving, they can't pick that up.

01:13:02.000 So it's about going slow.

01:13:04.000 And then if he looks, of course, I stop.

01:13:07.000 So it's just about right here.

01:13:09.000 So I stop because his head's up.

01:13:11.000 And so he can see out of his eye.

01:13:13.000 I'm not moving.

01:13:13.000 He puts his head down.

01:13:15.000 One thing that I figured out on these things is they might put their head down and pretend like they're eating, but really they're looking.

01:13:23.000 So you've got to be able to tell.

01:13:24.000 He'll have his head down, but if he's not ripping grass side to side, he's not eating.

01:13:28.000 He's just testing me.

01:13:30.000 So he might have maybe picked something up, but he put his head down, but his mouth wasn't moving, so I just stop.

01:13:35.000 Okay, you're trying to catch me here, but as long as they don't see you move, you can walk right up right there.

01:13:45.000 I'm not sure what we're filming here, but we get to 46 yards.

01:13:50.000 The crazy thing about this is I wanted to let his leg go forward so I can slip that arrow In as it's legs forward opening up his vitals and I waited too long and you can watch this arrow and it clips a tree in between me and it and it hit the arrow hit a little lower than what I wanted because it hit that tree but because I have you know 90 pounds and so much force it was it ricocheted caught a little bit of energy from that tree it

01:14:20.000 was lessened but it still went in and Heart shot on that buffalo.

01:14:23.000 Here it is when you're shooting it.

01:14:25.000 Yeah, so watch that tree, the curved one.

01:14:28.000 So I want his leg to go forward.

01:14:32.000 Oh, so you barely touched it.

01:14:34.000 Barely caught that.

01:14:35.000 But if I would have had less poundage, that could have...

01:14:39.000 So right there, that's a heart shot on him.

01:14:42.000 And he has no idea what happened.

01:14:43.000 So he's taken off.

01:14:45.000 And their vitals...

01:14:47.000 That looks like a bad shot, like if you were hunting elk.

01:14:50.000 That would be too forward and too low, but on those, that's where the heart is.

01:14:56.000 So you have to know the organs of the animal.

01:14:58.000 Yeah, it's a little bit different on those animals than what were here in North America.

01:15:02.000 And so you see he's going to run into a tree here.

01:15:04.000 He's pretty wobbly.

01:15:06.000 And so I don't know how many seconds this was, but you've got a 2,000-pound animal with just a razor-sharp stick, and he's down in, you know, a minute, maybe a minute and a half.

01:15:18.000 That's That's a lot quicker than they're ever going to die in a natural habitat on their own.

01:15:23.000 No doubt.

01:15:24.000 And that's one thing that people need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals and people that are opposed to it.

01:15:31.000 They need to understand first of all that In order to do proper conservation, to take care of these animals, to make sure that their herds, the population is strong, you have to cull some of the animals.

01:15:42.000 You have to.

01:15:43.000 Because otherwise they're going to die of starvation, they're going to get diseased.

01:15:48.000 There's a lot of issues involved if you're not introducing predators.

01:15:52.000 And if you introduce predators to take care of the population, well then you've got a whole other problem, obviously.

01:15:58.000 And they're actually seeing that right now in parts of this country with wolves.

01:16:03.000 When they reintroduce wolves, I mean, they're really ramping up wolf hunting now in Idaho.

01:16:07.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:07.000 Because the wolves are just tearing up elk.

01:16:10.000 Yeah.

01:16:10.000 And it's, yeah.

01:16:11.000 Decimating populations.

01:16:13.000 Yeah.

01:16:13.000 And, you know, like in Australia, there's no predators.

01:16:17.000 So those buffalo, there's too many of them.

01:16:20.000 Right now, there's no limit on buffalo.

01:16:22.000 You don't need a tag.

01:16:23.000 You don't need a license. 0.98

01:16:24.000 They just want them killed because they're not native. 0.99

01:16:28.000 Right. 0.56

01:16:29.000 Those are Asian water buffalo so they were brought over to Australia.

01:16:32.000 They're not native and so there's so many of them where there once was water and there's fish and all sorts of things now it's just basically a mud hole because those buffalo get in there and you know they they piss in there they do live in there killed everything so they tear up the habitat they tear up the water they ruin the water source And so now they just want them killed. 0.93

01:16:55.000 So when I was over there, I killed three of those big old things, and you could kill 20 of them if you want. 0.98

01:17:00.000 They need them gone. 1.00

01:17:01.000 Wow.

01:17:02.000 That's the same thing with New Zealand as well, right?

01:17:04.000 New Zealand has an issue with non-native species?

01:17:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:07.000 You know, there's only, I don't know, there's tons of non-native species in Australia.

01:17:13.000 I think, let's see, the guy who was with, Adam Greentree, he killed, it's not a dingo, but it's... 1.00

01:17:20.000 Sort of like a dingo, but it's not a purebred because those are protected. 1.00

01:17:24.000 See that kangaroo?

01:17:25.000 Look how yoked he is.

01:17:26.000 That kangaroo is following the Cameron Haynes program.

01:17:30.000 Look at him.

01:17:31.000 I would not want to tangle with that kangaroo, man. 1.00

01:17:34.000 You don't need to be that jacked to be a kangaroo. 0.99

01:17:36.000 See, he's wasting his time. 0.99

01:17:38.000 He's getting crazy.

01:17:40.000 No, but yeah, so it was good getting over there and seeing different animals and learning from, let's see, Adam Greentree and Owen Stronell were over there and they've awesome bow hunters and, you know, getting to new countries is just what I love to do.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, and the non-native species thing is a fascinating thing to me because that's what we're dealing with in North America with the wild hogs that have been introduced, you know, they were introduced with the Europeans and they've run rampant all throughout the I mean, California, we were in Tohono Ranch,

01:18:11.000 where I went hunting with Rinella, and they have 50,000 hogs on this one ranch. 0.93

01:18:17.000 I mean, they're fucking everywhere. 1.00

01:18:19.000 It's insane. 1.00

01:18:20.000 You see these herds of them.

01:18:22.000 Oh, and they tear, I mean, they're rooting around, tearing up the ground.

01:18:25.000 Yeah, and they breed all year round.

01:18:27.000 They're just constantly making babies, and so there's certain ranches in California, in Southern California, they're begging people to come on their ranch and kill hogs.

01:18:38.000 You know, in Texas, famously, they're shooting them out of helicopters.

01:18:42.000 Yeah.

01:18:43.000 I mean, they actually have companies that take people on helicopter hog hunts, and that's what they're all about.

01:18:49.000 They just fly around, they find the hogs, and they're shooting them out of the sky. 1.00

01:18:52.000 And part of it is novelty, you know, you get to hunt from a helicopter, but part of it is necessity.

01:18:59.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:18:59.000 You can't get to these damn things. 0.99

01:19:01.000 You need to reduce the number somehow. 0.99

01:19:02.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 Yeah.

01:19:03.000 The non-native species thing is very fascinating to me.

01:19:08.000 The understanding of population control is one of the things that I've really become fascinated by getting into hunting, understanding what the fish and wildlife, what they have to go through in order to figure out how many tags to give out,

01:19:24.000 what the numbers are where they need to let animals recuperate, where they need to go in and take some of them and reduce them.

01:19:33.000 It's a fascinating thing.

01:19:34.000 And one of the most efficient programs in our country, as far as, like, you want to talk about, like, government programs. 0.98

01:19:41.000 Well, Fish and Wildlife is a government program, but damn, it's effective. 0.98

01:19:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:19:44.000 Effective and efficient because it's run by actual hunters and fishermen and outdoorsmen. 0.98

01:19:49.000 Yeah.

01:19:50.000 No, and the thing about, you know, hunting, people still...

01:19:55.000 If you're not a hunter, it's hard to understand.

01:19:57.000 Or some people still don't understand why in this day and age you need to hunt.

01:20:00.000 Well, you know, like I work with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.

01:20:03.000 They're the number one conservation group out there.

01:20:06.000 And they've helped protect habitat, I think, over 6 million acres now of habitat for elk.

01:20:12.000 So that's from hunter's dollars, you know, conservation groups.

01:20:17.000 So hunters, the money we pay for tag and license and everything else to use to be in out there hunting with the weapon, that's what goes into helping these animals.

01:20:26.000 You know, elk numbers now have never been higher.

01:20:29.000 That's, yeah, we're hunting them, but we're also paying and contributing to the health and habitat and for elk and other wildlife.

01:20:39.000 And that's That's what people don't understand.

01:20:41.000 Without putting a value on those animals, then that's where, I don't know, that's where everything goes sideways.

01:20:47.000 But because we value them, we're willing to pay money and help.

01:20:51.000 And we've got outfits like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that just do amazing work for us.

01:20:56.000 Yeah, I know where their mindset...

01:20:59.000 I understand where they're coming from, the people that are anti-hunting.

01:21:04.000 They're coming from kindness.

01:21:06.000 I mean, they don't want you to kill these cute animals. 0.99

01:21:09.000 They feel like it's a cruelty thing or that it's an evil thing to go out to nature and find these beautiful things and shoot them and kill them.

01:21:17.000 I understand the mindset, but it, like many things in life, is not nearly as cut and dry as everybody wants to paint it, as everybody wants to depict it.

01:21:28.000 Far more complex and complicated issue.

01:21:30.000 And they have a hard time believing that someone could have a deep love for animals while still hunting them.

01:21:38.000 Right.

01:21:39.000 No, it's a...

01:21:40.000 I don't, you know, I don't think anybody could respect a bull elk more than I do.

01:21:46.000 You know, maybe the same, but it's...

01:21:47.000 I think about elk hunting every single day.

01:21:50.000 And those bulls are...

01:21:53.000 Man, once...

01:21:55.000 I don't know.

01:21:56.000 I dreamed about killing a 6x6 bull elk or First of all, I didn't know if I had what it took.

01:22:02.000 I was like, am I good enough?

01:22:04.000 Or am I tough enough?

01:22:05.000 Or can I even do this?

01:22:07.000 I mean, maybe I'm not even capable of it. 0.99

01:22:09.000 Because I could kill some animals. 1.00

01:22:11.000 I could kill the spike bull. 1.00

01:22:12.000 I killed some smaller bulls. 0.98

01:22:13.000 But a 6x6 bull, mature herd bull, is what every hunter dreams of.

01:22:18.000 And for folks who don't know what you're saying, 6x6 means six points on each side.

01:22:24.000 This is an enormous animal.

01:22:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:27.000 And for folks who don't understand, you're talking about...

01:22:29.000 Antlers that are bigger than my arms.

01:22:32.000 Yeah.

01:22:32.000 Longer and thicker even than my arms.

01:22:35.000 Okay, so I killed a 6x6 bull this year in Colorado, or in 2013, and it was about 10 years old.

01:22:42.000 So to do that, he's been through 10 hunting seasons.

01:22:46.000 You know, endured 10 winters.

01:22:48.000 I mean, tough, tough animal.

01:22:50.000 And so for a long time, I didn't know if I had what it took.

01:22:55.000 And that was when I finally did do it is when Princess Di died, like I said.

01:23:00.000 And so that was when I called.

01:23:02.000 It was just like, all I could think about is I finally proved to myself I could do it.

01:23:06.000 And that's powerful.

01:23:08.000 That was the first time that you'd ever done it.

01:23:10.000 There's one right there.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, that's more than the 6x6.

01:23:13.000 That's a...

01:23:14.000 That's a monster. 0.57

01:23:16.000 It looks like he's got an extra tine in there.

01:23:18.000 Pull up a video of Elks bugling.

01:23:21.000 I know we've played one of those before, just so people can hear it.

01:23:24.000 There's one on my YouTube from Colorado this year, and the bull's coming up the hill bugling, and it's so loud.

01:23:31.000 Oh, yeah?

01:23:31.000 It's amazing.

01:23:32.000 What is that?

01:23:33.000 Do you know the name of the video?

01:23:35.000 It should be something Colorado.

01:23:38.000 Cam in Colorado or something like that.

01:23:41.000 Well, Jamie will find it, but...

01:23:43.000 That animal itself, the elk, is almost like a mystical animal to me.

01:23:48.000 Because if you've heard one, I've heard one call before.

01:23:52.000 We were in Mount Rainier.

01:23:54.000 We actually weren't even hunting.

01:23:55.000 We were looking for Bigfoot.

01:23:58.000 I was there with my friend Duncan.

01:24:00.000 You didn't find him, did you?

01:24:01.000 Dude, we found him.

01:24:02.000 I just like to keep secrets.

01:24:03.000 I'm not like Tom Sizemore.

01:24:04.000 I'm not all blabby.

01:24:06.000 No, we...

01:24:08.000 It was for this sci-fi show that I did called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.

01:24:13.000 Can you hear it?

01:24:14.000 Yeah, if you go to like eight or nine...

01:24:17.000 Eight or nine minutes?

01:24:18.000 Yeah.

01:24:20.000 Let's see.

01:24:21.000 Can we hear the...

01:24:22.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:22.000 Oh, no.

01:24:23.000 This is where I took a selfie of a bull coming in.

01:24:25.000 No, it's past that.

01:24:27.000 Maybe right in there.

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:29.000 Yeah, turn...

01:24:30.000 Oh, there we go.

01:24:32.000 Listen to this.

01:24:36.000 How far away is that right now?

01:24:37.000 He's about 70. That's him.

01:24:41.000 That's so weird.

01:24:42.000 Yeah, listen to this.

01:24:45.000 And that's a carbon spider turbo?

01:24:48.000 That's an 80 pound one?

01:24:49.000 That's not a carbon, that's a spider turbo.

01:24:51.000 That's before?

01:24:52.000 That was last year.

01:24:53.000 The model before.

01:24:55.000 That is amazing, dude.

01:24:58.000 That will just put the hair on the back of your neck.

01:25:02.000 And so you have this scope in your hand that's a spotting scope that shows you the distance.

01:25:07.000 Is it distance?

01:25:10.000 Rangefinder.

01:25:11.000 Rangefinder.

01:25:11.000 Wow.

01:25:12.000 So he's about 18 yards right here, but he's going to get the wind.

01:25:15.000 So I have to try to stop.

01:25:17.000 I do that with my mouth.

01:25:18.000 I'm trying to stop him before he smells me.

01:25:20.000 So he spooks right here and he goes to about 25 right here.

01:25:27.000 My son Tanner's filming.

01:25:31.000 Right there.

01:25:32.000 So it's a perfect shot.

01:25:34.000 And you'll see...

01:25:34.000 Here's how you see how lethal a bow is.

01:25:37.000 He's bleeding on the other side.

01:25:39.000 Yeah.

01:25:39.000 Arrow went clear through.

01:25:40.000 Wow. 0.99

01:25:41.000 He probably doesn't even know what the fuck just happened. 0.99

01:25:43.000 No, he's looking for a bull. 0.99

01:25:44.000 He hears that other bull is bugling.

01:25:46.000 He just got in a fight with a bull.

01:25:48.000 Now he's like...

01:25:49.000 He doesn't feel so good.

01:25:53.000 Wow.

01:25:54.000 So that's it.

01:25:57.000 That's... 0.79

01:25:58.000 That's an animal seven times bigger than you.

01:26:00.000 Yeah, and that was just with a sharp stick, basically.

01:26:05.000 So that's what you dream of.

01:26:06.000 Every bowhunter dreams of that.

01:26:08.000 And how many of those have you ever killed? 0.80

01:26:12.000 Oh...

01:26:14.000 I don't know, probably 30. Wow, dude, you must have the most ridiculous freezer at home. 0.99

01:26:18.000 Yeah, no, the freezer's full, definitely. 0.99

01:26:20.000 What kind of a freezer do you have?

01:26:22.000 Do you have like one of them walk-in freezers?

01:26:24.000 I have two, just two freezers.

01:26:26.000 Two big giant freezers?

01:26:27.000 Yeah, in the garage.

01:26:28.000 Yeah, and it's full of bear and elk and everything else.

01:26:32.000 You probably never have to go to the supermarket for meat, right?

01:26:35.000 No, we still like a good beef steak every once in a while.

01:26:37.000 You know, I buy my beef from Adam LaRoche.

01:26:45.000 He has a ranch in Kansas, and it's just, you know, the beef is raised, no steroids, it's just free range.

01:26:52.000 And that's where I buy my meat from.

01:26:54.000 He's another hunter.

01:26:56.000 He's on the show Buck Commanders.

01:26:58.000 He plays for the Washington Nationals.

01:26:59.000 And is it all grass-fed?

01:27:01.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 Yeah, I mean, and it's as good as it gets.

01:27:03.000 The farm that we hunted on in Wisconsin this year is my friend Doug, Doug Duren, and he actually has cows on his farm as well and raises them grass-fed, gave us some of the beef.

01:27:13.000 It was delicious.

01:27:15.000 Amazing. 1.00

01:27:15.000 People don't realize, man, when you're feeding cows, these diets that are unnatural to them, giving them corn, they're all fat and shit. 1.00

01:27:23.000 Like, I was at a restaurant the other day and they tried to give me some of that Wagyu beef. 0.99

01:27:26.000 They're like, it's our finest beef. 1.00

01:27:27.000 I'm like, get that sloppy, fat, stupid animal away from me. 1.00

01:27:31.000 That drunken animal. 1.00

01:27:33.000 Yeah.

01:27:33.000 No.

01:27:34.000 That's what it is.

01:27:34.000 They get them drunk off beer.

01:27:36.000 They're feeding them beer and fattening them up.

01:27:39.000 You're not supposed to have all that fat, like that marbling.

01:27:42.000 You get a nice grass-fed steak and it's, you know...

01:27:45.000 It's lean.

01:27:45.000 It's very lean.

01:27:46.000 It's darker.

01:27:47.000 It's a deeper red.

01:27:48.000 It's more like a game animal.

01:27:50.000 Yeah.

01:27:50.000 It's not as lean as elk.

01:27:51.000 No.

01:27:52.000 And like you said, eating...

01:27:54.000 Is that Steve calling again?

01:27:56.000 No.

01:27:56.000 I'm texting.

01:27:57.000 I should shut this fucking thing off. 1.00

01:28:00.000 Silly Steve. 1.00

01:28:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:28:02.000 How dare he?

01:28:03.000 But I've been in Colorado in that high country there, and that's about 11,000 feet.

01:28:07.000 That's up in the mountains.

01:28:09.000 And I killed a bull, I don't know, I think it was three years ago.

01:28:14.000 And we cut out the backstrap, built a fire, and cooked it.

01:28:17.000 I actually put it on one of my arrows, because my arrows are aluminum, and cooked the backstrap skewered on an arrow over a fire.

01:28:25.000 And I don't care where I've eaten or the food I've eaten, it would never be better.

01:28:31.000 And that right there in the mountains, killing or eating an animal I just killed is amazing.

01:28:36.000 Yeah, we did that in Montana.

01:28:37.000 We had liver and heart that we had killed two hours ago.

01:28:43.000 And we cooked it up at the campfire.

01:28:46.000 We were all just like, oh, this is incredible.

01:28:48.000 It's so good.

01:28:49.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 And the taste, it's so vibrant, too.

01:28:53.000 Like, the taste of elk.

01:28:54.000 Elk is an extremely delicious animal.

01:28:57.000 It's got a really unique flavor to it.

01:29:00.000 Yeah.

01:29:01.000 Almost sweet, right?

01:29:02.000 Well, and it's just, you know, so I was cutting that back strap on a rock, dirty hands, just a knife that I'd gutted it.

01:29:10.000 It's just like, so whatever.

01:29:14.000 I don't even know how you'd describe it, but it's just, I don't know, it just feels like that's how it's meant to be.

01:29:21.000 That's almost how...

01:29:22.000 It feels like I'm meant to live.

01:29:24.000 It's just out there living in the mountains.

01:29:28.000 I don't know.

01:29:29.000 It's just powerful.

01:29:30.000 Even not killing an animal, there's something to me about the mountains that's insanely appealing.

01:29:37.000 I love being in the mountains.

01:29:39.000 It gives you this weird...

01:29:40.000 It sounds very hippie, but I believe that when you are in these areas, like when you are in a mountain and there's all these trees and there's a river or stream or whatever...

01:29:52.000 I feel like there's energy coming out of those trees, there's energy in that hill, and that these life forms, these plants that grow there in the wild, and these vibrant things that have existed without any human assistance whatsoever, and we'll be here probably long after we're gone,

01:30:09.000 there's something to them where when you're in that environment, you feel it.

01:30:13.000 You might not even know you feel it, but Sort of like you don't know when you breathe in smoggy air, you just breathe in smoggy air, and then you get to a mountain, you get that mountain air, and you're like, wow, this is different.

01:30:25.000 And then you're around those plants.

01:30:27.000 I feel like, I mean, it's not like they're communicating with you, but I feel like they give off a vibe.

01:30:33.000 Yeah.

01:30:35.000 That wasn't after you smoked a bunch of pot, was it?

01:30:37.000 I ate a bunch of pot.

01:30:40.000 No, even Stone Cold Sober, man.

01:30:42.000 But the pot would definitely enhance. 0.68

01:30:43.000 No, I believe that too.

01:30:45.000 You know, I've been, there's this place I used to go and camp by myself in the Eagle Cap, and it was just like on this rock shelf looking over this huge canyon.

01:30:54.000 And so I was sleeping there one night and, you know, stars are out.

01:30:59.000 And just before dark, I glassed about 300 yards away a bunch of bighorn rams.

01:31:05.000 And, you know, sheep are just like the holy grail of hunting, right?

01:31:08.000 And so I was watching these sheep.

01:31:11.000 And it's just like, it's just so, I don't know, it's so amazing that moment.

01:31:16.000 So I went to bed in my bivy sack there, and I woke up in the morning, the sheep were still there, except there was one less.

01:31:23.000 And I'm like, I wonder where the heck that other ram went.

01:31:25.000 Well, I went over there and found a lion had killed a ram the night before.

01:31:32.000 And so I found this leg.

01:31:34.000 I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's one reason why he wasn't with them.

01:31:37.000 But it's just like, those rams that they're feeding, One got killed by a lion.

01:31:43.000 They're still there feeding.

01:31:44.000 Nothing had changed.

01:31:45.000 I mean, the wind was still blowing.

01:31:49.000 They were still feeding, but one was gone.

01:31:52.000 And to me, it's just like, man, I could die back here.

01:31:57.000 Nothing changes.

01:31:58.000 I mean, you really figure out how you fit in.

01:32:03.000 Nothing cares back there.

01:32:05.000 It's just like, that's just the way it goes.

01:32:07.000 There's life and death, and nothing in the wilderness changes.

01:32:11.000 And to me, that was powerful.

01:32:13.000 You really feel how you fit in.

01:32:18.000 It's humility.

01:32:19.000 You don't have much of an impact, really.

01:32:21.000 You know who needs to feel that?

01:32:22.000 Who's that?

01:32:23.000 Kanye West.

01:32:24.000 Kanye West. 1.00

01:32:24.000 Take that motherfucker bowhunting. 1.00

01:32:26.000 There you go. 1.00

01:32:27.000 Take him bowhunting and while he's in his little tent, he hears...

01:32:30.000 Yeah.

01:32:32.000 Here's some mountain goat get taken out. 1.00

01:32:34.000 Well, I think a lot of people could benefit, including Kanye.

01:32:37.000 Almost everybody could benefit.

01:32:39.000 Have you ever had any encounters with mountain lions?

01:32:43.000 Let's see.

01:32:44.000 I've had a shot at one.

01:32:46.000 I've never killed one.

01:32:47.000 I've never been with dogs, you know, hunting lions.

01:32:49.000 So it's just kind of been a happenchance.

01:32:51.000 But...

01:32:52.000 I was still in that same country and I was walking on the top of this cliff and I was looking down at the Rocky Mountain, the goats.

01:32:58.000 Have you ever seen a goat?

01:32:59.000 It's a white with the little black horns.

01:33:02.000 Well, they live up in notoriously steep country.

01:33:05.000 So I'm up on top of this cliff looking down at the goats and I was just by myself sneaking along.

01:33:10.000 And I look up further down the cliff and there's a lion standing there watching the same goats.

01:33:16.000 So I didn't have a tag for the goats, so I was just kind of watching them.

01:33:20.000 They only give one tag for that area.

01:33:22.000 It's really tough to get, but still they're just awesome animals.

01:33:25.000 So I look down and there's a lion watching the same goats.

01:33:28.000 And you can see if those goats get too high, they get killed by the lion.

01:33:33.000 So they kind of stay a little lower.

01:33:35.000 They figure it out.

01:33:37.000 But that lion's just waiting for one to make a mistake.

01:33:39.000 Well, I was just seconds from being able to get a shot because I had a lion tag, mountain lion.

01:33:44.000 And you guys can't hunt them here, but we can hunt them in Oregon, but not with dogs.

01:33:49.000 But I was seconds from getting a shot and right before he looked at me and took off.

01:33:55.000 So I've seen that lion.

01:33:57.000 I saw a lion chasing a cow elk back there.

01:34:01.000 They're They're nocturnal.

01:34:04.000 You just don't see many lions out in daylight unless they're hunting like that, but I've seen them.

01:34:09.000 Do you hear them like when you're camping?

01:34:13.000 Yeah, you know, I may not have known what it was, but they do make a noise unlike any you've ever heard, you know, and that's lions.

01:34:24.000 What is this helmet?

01:34:25.000 I don't know.

01:34:26.000 It'd be hard to describe.

01:34:28.000 Give it a shot.

01:34:29.000 No, I can't do it.

01:34:30.000 Can't do a lion impression?

01:34:31.000 No, I can't do it.

01:34:32.000 Is it...

01:34:32.000 No, not like that.

01:34:35.000 Deeper?

01:34:36.000 Yeah, it's...

01:34:39.000 No, that's more like a bear.

01:34:41.000 But, yeah, I don't know.

01:34:43.000 But something creepy.

01:34:45.000 Yeah, something creepy.

01:34:46.000 Right, exactly.

01:34:46.000 Something that you were like, that's weird.

01:34:49.000 Have you ever seen the photo of the lion and the ram dead on the road where they had fallen off the cliff?

01:34:56.000 Yeah.

01:34:56.000 Where the lion and the ram were duking it out?

01:34:59.000 Yeah.

01:34:59.000 And apparently they both went over the edge.

01:35:02.000 Yeah.

01:35:03.000 That, to me, is one of the most powerful photographs of the struggle of nature, the tooth, fang, and claw of the wilderness.

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:11.000 And that happens all the time.

01:35:13.000 I'm sure.

01:35:13.000 You just don't have pictures of it.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:15.000 You know, because it's not on a road.

01:35:17.000 Right.

01:35:17.000 But, yeah, that's...

01:35:18.000 They deal with that all the time.

01:35:20.000 Both of them deal with that all the time.

01:35:22.000 Yeah, and, you know, it is what it is.

01:35:25.000 Yeah.

01:35:26.000 Nothing changes.

01:35:26.000 You can find that picture, Jamie.

01:35:28.000 It's a crazy picture.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, this is the picture.

01:35:31.000 Yeah.

01:35:32.000 The series of them.

01:35:34.000 The two of them lying down on the road.

01:35:38.000 I mean, that is such a powerful photograph.

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:40.000 It just makes you realize, like, what an insane struggle it is to try to be...

01:35:47.000 Surviving as an animal in the wilderness.

01:35:50.000 And see, that's all snow piled up there.

01:35:52.000 You know, it's cold.

01:35:54.000 I mean, they're out there 365 days a year trying to survive.

01:35:58.000 So that's why I think about what they go through when I'm working out.

01:36:04.000 And it's just like, they're so much tougher.

01:36:07.000 I mean, we're so weak as a society.

01:36:10.000 You know, we're used to laying on the couch, watching TV, having everything, while a bull elk is laying out there in the rain and the snow and the whatever, getting so tough.

01:36:19.000 And so I always think about there's this gap between me and a bull.

01:36:24.000 I need to close that gap.

01:36:26.000 Because it's just getting wider and wider every day for most.

01:36:31.000 So if you can close out, if I can get tougher and tougher and tougher, I'm going to be more on an equal playing field and be more of a predator like a lion, you know what I mean, or a wolf.

01:36:42.000 How did you decide to specialize in elk?

01:36:46.000 Is it just the biggest animal near you in Oregon?

01:36:49.000 Yeah, it was probably the most respected and regal animal that I could afford to hunt.

01:36:57.000 When I first started hunting, we bought a deer tag.

01:37:01.000 It was like $11.50.

01:37:02.000 I couldn't even afford an elk tag because they were $25.

01:37:05.000 It was like, $25?

01:37:06.000 There's no way I'm ever going to hunt elk.

01:37:09.000 So that's just the way it was.

01:37:11.000 I didn't have any money.

01:37:12.000 And then once I could afford elk, it was that year that I killed that one with the bow.

01:37:18.000 So I'm in at like 30 bucks.

01:37:20.000 I'm like, I need to get my money's worth out of this thing.

01:37:24.000 I think it went up a little bit.

01:37:26.000 So it was $27.50 or something like that.

01:37:29.000 But yeah, that was it.

01:37:30.000 It was just the biggest, most respected animal.

01:37:33.000 A bull elk is just like, man, I could never dream of hunting sheep at that time or buffalo or whatever.

01:37:42.000 So it was elk.

01:37:43.000 And elk, I mean, if you've got 500 pounds of meat off an animal, what is that worth, money-wise?

01:37:50.000 I mean, what a bargain.

01:37:51.000 For a $25 tag, get 500 pounds, well, obviously you have to pay for your equipment and your time and your food and everything to get out there.

01:37:58.000 Yeah, it doesn't pencil out.

01:37:59.000 It doesn't pencil out, no.

01:38:00.000 Once you figure out the time, and, you know, you look at these bows right here, these are, you know, shoot, by the time you get this bow set up here with arrows and everything else, it's like $2,000.

01:38:10.000 So...

01:38:11.000 You don't want to pencil it out.

01:38:13.000 It's not about the value of it.

01:38:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:17.000 It's just more about the experience.

01:38:20.000 Why did you decide to go to Australia to shoot these water buffaloes? 0.86

01:38:24.000 Just for the experience of it?

01:38:27.000 When I'm not hunting...

01:38:33.000 I don't know.

01:38:34.000 Just being in my office working at my regular work, I feel like I'm dying, basically.

01:38:40.000 Do you really?

01:38:40.000 Yeah.

01:38:41.000 I just feel like, what?

01:38:42.000 Your boss is listening right now.

01:38:44.000 You know that, right? 1.00

01:38:46.000 He's like, what the fuck, Cam? 0.99

01:38:47.000 I thought you like it here. 1.00

01:38:48.000 No, I do like it.

01:38:49.000 We like you in the office.

01:38:51.000 You're dying?

01:38:51.000 Yeah.

01:38:52.000 Well, I mean, I like it there.

01:38:55.000 Damage control.

01:38:56.000 Sorry, boss.

01:38:58.000 Hey, listen, man.

01:38:58.000 I felt like I was dying when I was doing Fear Factor.

01:39:00.000 I know what you're talking about.

01:39:02.000 No, but I just feel like that's not what I'm...

01:39:04.000 What you want to do.

01:39:05.000 ...meant to do.

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:06.000 It's just...

01:39:07.000 I just need...

01:39:08.000 I need to be outside.

01:39:09.000 I need to be, you know, challenged.

01:39:12.000 And so I'm like, God, what can I do?

01:39:14.000 And so I came out...

01:39:16.000 It was in December just, you know, recently.

01:39:19.000 And I'm like, I want to go do something I've never done.

01:39:22.000 So Hoyt hooked me up with Adam down there in Australia.

01:39:25.000 And I wanted to do...

01:39:26.000 Actually, when I first...

01:39:29.000 When I decided to go there, it was just going to be to give away a bow.

01:39:33.000 What I do with the bows after I get done shooting them for the year is I hold these contests.

01:39:37.000 It's like win Cam's bow.

01:39:39.000 And I just say, if you want to win my bow from last year, show up at this time and beat me at any challenge.

01:39:47.000 Beat me at the challenges I put out there and you can have my bow.

01:39:50.000 And so I was just going to do a win a bow in Australia because I have so many people that order my shirts and hats and And everything else from down there, I'm like, I need to get down there and see these people.

01:40:01.000 You know, I just wanted to, I just felt so much support down there.

01:40:05.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:06.000 So I asked Hoyt, I said, I want to do a win a bow down there.

01:40:09.000 Can you help me set it up?

01:40:10.000 You know, with the pro shops or the archery shops down there.

01:40:13.000 So it just kind of turned into a hunt at the same time.

01:40:15.000 I'm like, yeah, I'll do a hunt also.

01:40:17.000 So that was what I did the hunt.

01:40:19.000 Then I did the win cams bow contest and it's just tied it all together.

01:40:23.000 And what was the contest?

01:40:24.000 What did they have to do to win your bow? 0.95

01:40:27.000 They had to beat me at running.

01:40:30.000 Well, so we ran, then we did push-ups, then we did pull-ups, and then we did a 100-yard shot.

01:40:37.000 So if you beat me at those, you get my bow.

01:40:39.000 All three?

01:40:40.000 They have to beat you at all of them?

01:40:41.000 Four.

01:40:42.000 All four of them?

01:40:43.000 Yeah.

01:40:43.000 So what if they only beat you at three of them?

01:40:47.000 Pound sand, next. 0.88

01:40:48.000 No, then I get to choose who I give it to.

01:40:50.000 So I give it away either way. 0.98

01:40:52.000 I mean, I'm not like, you guys suck, I'm taking my bow home. 0.98

01:40:55.000 No, I just... 0.99

01:40:56.000 Then I get...

01:40:57.000 So the thing is, I'm going to give it away to somebody.

01:40:59.000 If somebody beats me at all that, it's no questions.

01:41:02.000 It's your bow.

01:41:03.000 And if nobody does, I choose out of the contestants.

01:41:06.000 And so I ended up giving it to this 13-year-old girl there.

01:41:10.000 And I just liked her heart.

01:41:13.000 You know, it was 100 degrees and like 100% humidity.

01:41:17.000 It was just brutal.

01:41:18.000 And we were running.

01:41:20.000 We ran...

01:41:21.000 12 laps around this, I think it was a cricket field, but it was about a 5K, like 3.1 miles.

01:41:29.000 And so we were running, and nobody beat me at that, but she was just out there grinding and sweating and hot and just showing a lot of heart. 0.88

01:41:37.000 Then she did the pull-ups and, of course, didn't win the pull-ups, and she did push-ups. 1.00

01:41:41.000 And then at the 100-yard shot, she made an awesome shot. 1.00

01:41:45.000 I mean, she wasn't the closest, but made a good shot at 100 yards at this 3D bull elk. 1.00

01:41:51.000 And, you know, there's other people who beat her there, but I didn't think anybody showed as much heart as she did, so I gave her the bow.

01:41:57.000 And, you know, it was an 80-pound bow, so obviously, I don't know, I told her, I said, you don't need to keep it.

01:42:01.000 You can sell it and buy clothes.

01:42:03.000 You can do whatever you want with it.

01:42:04.000 The point is, is your effort, to me, won this bow today.

01:42:08.000 That's cool, man.

01:42:09.000 And it's up to you.

01:42:10.000 That's really cool.

01:42:12.000 Now, when you went out there hunting the water buffalo, you camped out there.

01:42:17.000 You camped out there in the bush?

01:42:19.000 Yeah, there was...

01:42:20.000 There's actually, we stayed in this village from the Aborigines.

01:42:24.000 They were, we thought they were going to be there, but there's actually nobody there.

01:42:28.000 And we had to hunt, it's called traditional land, native land.

01:42:32.000 You have to get permission from the Aborigines to hunt it. 1.00

01:42:36.000 And what I was told is probably only 50 white men had ever been there.

01:42:41.000 Just because it's wild country.

01:42:43.000 It's just where they live.

01:42:44.000 But nobody's in the village, and we don't know why it was abandoned or whatever.

01:42:48.000 I guess if an elder dies, they will leave.

01:42:53.000 They think there's bad spirits in the village.

01:42:56.000 So they just leave everything and take off.

01:42:58.000 So we don't know for sure why it was empty, but we were just there by ourselves.

01:43:01.000 And we just basically slept on the porch of this hut out there.

01:43:07.000 Adam, who I went out there with, he was like, you know, when we took a helicopter out there, the only way to get there was a four-hour helicopter ride.

01:43:16.000 And I said, do we want to get any food?

01:43:18.000 He was like, I think it would be better if we just lived off the land.

01:43:21.000 And I'm like...

01:43:23.000 Yeah, that's cool.

01:43:24.000 I didn't know what was out there for sure.

01:43:26.000 Turns out there's not much.

01:43:28.000 And so that was not the best idea to try to live off the land.

01:43:33.000 Luckily, another guy, Owen, went and he did bring some food, but still we didn't hardly have any food.

01:43:39.000 I mean, I had a granola bar.

01:43:41.000 And I had some trail mix from the airport.

01:43:43.000 And Adam had a granola bar.

01:43:45.000 And then Owen, he brought some apples and oranges and stuff like that.

01:43:48.000 But all that stuff was gone fast.

01:43:50.000 And we were out there five full days.

01:43:52.000 It was 120 degrees Fahrenheit out there.

01:43:55.000 And the water was like...

01:43:58.000 It looked like this coffee.

01:44:00.000 I mean, because the buffalo lived in it. 1.00

01:44:02.000 And they just piss and shit. 1.00

01:44:04.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:44:04.000 Just nonstop. 1.00

01:44:05.000 So...

01:44:06.000 You know, we would have to treat that water.

01:44:09.000 Oh, you drank that water?

01:44:10.000 There's nothing else.

01:44:11.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, so it was a process.

01:44:15.000 What does buffalo piss taste like exactly?

01:44:17.000 It's, you know, surprisingly, it's not that good.

01:44:21.000 Now, do you put it through filters?

01:44:23.000 Do you boil it?

01:44:26.000 Here's what we did.

01:44:27.000 First, we poured it through our shirt to try to get the big chunks out.

01:44:31.000 Right.

01:44:31.000 Like, Owen brought back some water on time, and he's like, what does this smell like?

01:44:34.000 And I was just like, oh my god.

01:44:37.000 Smells like buffalo piss. 0.58

01:44:38.000 And you knew you were going to have to drink that.

01:44:39.000 Yeah, so we poured it through the shirt, and then we did it through a pump.

01:44:42.000 Adam had a pump, and then he had a SteriPen.

01:44:45.000 What kind of pump?

01:44:46.000 What do you mean a pump?

01:44:48.000 A water, you know, it's for filtering water.

01:44:50.000 Okay.

01:44:50.000 Yeah, I don't know what kind it was.

01:44:52.000 But it filters through like a pump system?

01:44:55.000 Yeah.

01:44:55.000 Like a carbon?

01:44:56.000 Right, yeah.

01:44:57.000 It's a filter that supposedly cleans the water.

01:44:59.000 So, and then we had a SteriPen, which is a UV light that also cleans the water.

01:45:05.000 And so we had the shirt, the filter, the SteriPen, and then he's like, okay, so we got all that.

01:45:12.000 Now what does it smell like?

01:45:13.000 It's in like a cup like this.

01:45:15.000 And I was like, Oh my, it still smells, it smelled no different.

01:45:19.000 So we drank that.

01:45:20.000 Oh my god, like that?

01:45:22.000 Just like that.

01:45:23.000 Like it was.

01:45:24.000 No boiling it, nothing?

01:45:26.000 Oh my god, she drank straight buffalo piss. 1.00

01:45:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:29.000 And shit too, right? 1.00

01:45:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:30.000 What about the bacteria and, you know, like, that stuff that you get, like, when you drink stream water. 1.00

01:45:36.000 What's that called?

01:45:37.000 It's real common.

01:45:38.000 Oh, giardia?

01:45:38.000 Yeah, giardia.

01:45:39.000 What about that?

01:45:39.000 Well, that's what that stuff was supposed to kill or take out.

01:45:43.000 Yeah, so Adam, he took a drink of it and he kind of went into convulsions a little bit.

01:45:49.000 He's like, my body's rejecting it.

01:45:52.000 And it was just nasty.

01:45:54.000 But then there was another time.

01:45:56.000 So we found some hamburger patties that were from the natives there.

01:46:02.000 They had the freezer.

01:46:03.000 Actually, the government or whoever it is comes in there and they put power and water their solar power because it's so hot and sunny down there.

01:46:12.000 So...

01:46:13.000 There was a freezer and it had some hamburger patties.

01:46:16.000 So we stole those and we're cooking those up.

01:46:18.000 So we're down to like one last patty and I had it.

01:46:21.000 I took it because I had no food and I had it in my trail mix bag because I had no more trail mix.

01:46:27.000 So I had it in there and I had one cooked hamburger patty and I remember We're sitting there and we just drank a big old vat of buffalo piss water.

01:46:35.000 And I'm like, man, you know what would go good with this?

01:46:37.000 It's that hamburger patty.

01:46:38.000 So I took my backpack and I pull out my trail mix with the hamburger bag with the hamburger patty in it.

01:46:44.000 And it's just solid ants.

01:46:45.000 I mean, ants are all filled up.

01:46:47.000 And it's just not like regular little cool black ants like we have here.

01:46:51.000 It's just red, mean, whatever ants.

01:46:54.000 And just all over in my backpack, all over that patty.

01:46:57.000 So all I did, I just blew off...

01:47:00.000 Scraped them off, blew them off the hamburger patty, and ate it.

01:47:03.000 Why didn't you just eat the ants, too?

01:47:05.000 We should have.

01:47:06.000 Yeah.

01:47:06.000 Totally gangster.

01:47:08.000 I mean, you're drinking buffalo piss, might as well eat some ants.

01:47:11.000 But, you know, here's the thing is, you know, experiences like that is, that's where you appreciate, you know, I don't know, how good we have it.

01:47:19.000 Because you realize all that matters is you have something to drink and something to eat.

01:47:25.000 That's it.

01:47:26.000 Yeah, you have to keep your body alive and there's no other way to do it.

01:47:29.000 No.

01:47:29.000 And so you get home and you see people complain about, oh, there's no ice for this water.

01:47:32.000 I got to drink this warm water.

01:47:34.000 I'm like, that water looks pretty damn good.

01:47:36.000 I mean, I've drank some nasty water and I'd take that, you know.

01:47:40.000 So it just puts everything in perspective, you know.

01:47:42.000 And you have to make sure that you're not getting dehydrated too.

01:47:45.000 So you have to drink a lot of that piss water.

01:47:46.000 Yeah, you do.

01:47:47.000 Yeah.

01:47:48.000 What kind of rocket diarrhea did you guys develop? 0.57

01:47:52.000 I need to know because it must have been like some broken fire hydrant type diarrhea. 0.73

01:47:58.000 No?

01:47:59.000 You didn't?

01:48:00.000 No.

01:48:01.000 I mean, we must have got it pretty clean.

01:48:03.000 You must have a strong constitution.

01:48:05.000 I guess so.

01:48:06.000 Now, the buffalo itself, you said that you guys ate that buffalo.

01:48:09.000 Yeah, we'd had nothing else to eat.

01:48:11.000 and you were telling me about this before the podcast started but for the folks at home uh what was that like yeah it was uh so the back strap is typically the best cut of any game animal it's right along the spine And there's no bones and it's just big solid meat and it's usually just like on an elk that's like as good as it gets.

01:48:33.000 Tenderloin.

01:48:33.000 Yeah and so we cut that off and we cooked that up and these buffalo so cut that up and cooked it up so I take a bite and I shoot my bow just middle of the day and I was shooting for probably maybe a half hour,

01:48:49.000 came back, still chewing the same bite.

01:48:52.000 And so, the thing about these buffalo, because there's no predators, and we were trying to kill the biggest bulls out there.

01:49:00.000 A bull could be 30 years old.

01:49:02.000 Anything, any animal that old in those conditions.

01:49:06.000 The muscles are going to be...

01:49:07.000 So it's muscle you're eating.

01:49:09.000 The muscles are going to be, you know, whatever.

01:49:11.000 Just not very pliable.

01:49:14.000 Dense.

01:49:14.000 Yeah, dense.

01:49:15.000 And so I chewed that one bite of the premium cut for half hours, like, you know, eating a shoe.

01:49:21.000 So that was it.

01:49:22.000 What about the organs?

01:49:23.000 Did you eat the liver?

01:49:24.000 No.

01:49:25.000 How come?

01:49:26.000 No, I never, yeah.

01:49:27.000 You don't like liver?

01:49:28.000 No.

01:49:28.000 You don't like liver, like, from a deer?

01:49:30.000 No.

01:49:30.000 Really?

01:49:31.000 No.

01:49:31.000 Why?

01:49:32.000 I don't know.

01:49:33.000 Man, that's my favorite part. 0.93

01:49:35.000 That just filters all the crap. 0.93

01:49:37.000 That's so good for you, though. 0.98

01:49:38.000 No, I'm not. 0.98

01:49:39.000 It does a good job of filtering the crap. 0.98

01:49:40.000 I'm not a liver guy. 0.97

01:49:42.000 That's interesting.

01:49:43.000 You know, the alpha wolf is the one that gets the liver when they take out an animal?

01:49:47.000 Oh, really?

01:49:48.000 You might want to reconsider.

01:49:48.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:49:50.000 Yeah, the alpha wolf, they battle over who gets the liver, and that's how they determine the alpha status of the pack, is that the wolf, who's the baddest motherfucker, is the one that eats the liver. 0.98

01:49:59.000 There was a documentary on this guy who lived with wolves. 0.97

01:50:03.000 There was an...

01:50:06.000 There was a contained area.

01:50:08.000 I forget where it was.

01:50:10.000 I forget what part of the world.

01:50:11.000 But this one guy lived with these wolves in this contained area.

01:50:15.000 And he was the alpha.

01:50:16.000 And the way that he became the alpha is he was with these wolves since they were little.

01:50:20.000 And he would always eat liver in front of them.

01:50:23.000 So he would have an animal that they would give to these wolves, and he would put a liver inside of this animal, and he would open up the Ziploc bag and pull this liver out and eat it in front of them.

01:50:33.000 So they knew that because he was eating the liver, he was the alpha.

01:50:37.000 Well, he went away because he had to deal with...

01:50:41.000 There was a local farmer that had a wolf invasion.

01:50:44.000 The wolf were killing his livestock.

01:50:46.000 So this guy had to assist this farmer.

01:50:49.000 And one of the ways he assisted him, he set up all these speakers where he had howls.

01:50:54.000 He set up as if there was a new pack that encroached into this area.

01:51:00.000 And he set up this whole elaborate thing to try to ward off these wolves without having to kill them.

01:51:06.000 And then some time went by, several weeks, and he went back To the wolves and a new alpha was there.

01:51:14.000 So he had to beg for his life in front of this new alpha.

01:51:17.000 He had a whimper and it was really intense because it was baring its teeth.

01:51:21.000 It was challenging him for the alpha position. 0.98

01:51:24.000 And so he had to get out of it by being a bitch because normally wolves will duke it out and find out, well, oh, you're the alpha now. 1.00

01:51:30.000 Well, let's see what's up, bitch. 1.00

01:51:32.000 And they would duke it out to see who this wolf was determined to eat that liver. 1.00

01:51:35.000 So he had to fight for his position in the pack by begging.

01:51:41.000 Begging for his life.

01:51:44.000 I do like how simple life is in the mountains.

01:51:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:48.000 I mean, there's one leader.

01:51:51.000 When I was young, I liked being back there because I didn't have to worry about...

01:51:58.000 You know, whether somebody liked me or whether I had money or whether any help from anybody, it was just like so simple and so cut and dry, just like that.

01:52:07.000 There's one alpha wolf in me.

01:52:09.000 Either are you tougher or is he tougher?

01:52:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:12.000 And that's...

01:52:13.000 I just like how black and white the mountains are.

01:52:17.000 You know, if you're not tough, you die.

01:52:19.000 Yeah.

01:52:20.000 That's great if you're tough.

01:52:21.000 Yeah.

01:52:23.000 That's true, yeah.

01:52:24.000 If you're not tough, you want to get back home to the internet. 1.00

01:52:26.000 Like, fuck this place, man. 1.00

01:52:28.000 I need air conditioning. 1.00

01:52:29.000 I need a blanket.

01:52:30.000 I did a commercial with the wolf for Under Armour.

01:52:34.000 I don't know, we filmed it last year. 0.96

01:52:37.000 But I thought the best ending to that commercial would have been if I could have killed that wolf.

01:52:43.000 Because it's like, how it went is me and the wolf were running through the woods. 0.96

01:52:47.000 We're both doing the same things.

01:52:49.000 And...

01:52:51.000 And then the commercial ended with me.

01:52:52.000 I had a bull elk I'd killed, but we just took the rack up there.

01:52:56.000 But I had it on my pack.

01:52:57.000 And the wolf came up and he saw me with that bull elk.

01:53:00.000 And it's like, I won.

01:53:01.000 Because we were both hunting the elk.

01:53:03.000 But I got it.

01:53:04.000 And so the wolf jumped up on this log and he snarled and was not happy.

01:53:08.000 And I thought, I said, man, the best ending to this would be if I just arrowed that wolf too.

01:53:14.000 Because you got to kind of infer that I won, but...

01:53:18.000 Right.

01:53:18.000 Man, that would tell the story right there.

01:53:21.000 Well, that would really send it home for Under Armour, though.

01:53:24.000 People would boycott. 0.95

01:53:25.000 He's killing wolves!

01:53:28.000 Is this the commercial?

01:53:29.000 Play it.

01:53:30.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:53:31.000 Let's hear the volume.

01:53:32.000 With preparation and the right gear, you can become nature's equal.

01:53:39.000 It's even better. 1.00

01:53:40.000 You're like, bitch, I already won. 1.00

01:53:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:43.000 That doesn't look like a real wolf, though.

01:53:45.000 That's a real wolf. 1.00

01:53:46.000 It looks like one of those bitch-ass trained wolves. 1.00

01:53:50.000 Oh, that was a trained wolf, but it was an actual real trained wolf. 0.99

01:53:54.000 A real wolf, not like a hybrid wolf.

01:53:56.000 No, no, no.

01:53:57.000 That wolf had been in the Twilight movies.

01:54:04.000 It's sort of a famous wolf, but the thing about it is to make it snarl like that I took some elk steak up there, and I was going to give it some elk after it did this whole thing.

01:54:16.000 But to make it mad like that, you had to give it meat and take it away.

01:54:21.000 Give it meat, take it away. 0.88

01:54:22.000 And they said, okay, yeah, the trainer said, okay, we can make it mad and snarl like we need for the commercial. 0.99

01:54:29.000 But once we do that, we're done.

01:54:34.000 Because it's going to be pissed off.

01:54:36.000 For the whole rest of the day.

01:54:38.000 So that was the last thing.

01:54:39.000 So that wolf had been, I think they had it since it was five weeks old and it was 11 years old, but it's still crazy.

01:54:46.000 Yeah, it's a real wolf.

01:54:48.000 Yeah, I mean, you don't, they have that in them.

01:54:50.000 So it was pretty cool.

01:54:53.000 Yeah, I had a friend who had hybrids.

01:54:56.000 They weren't even full wolves.

01:54:57.000 They were like, you know, seven-eighths wolf or something like that.

01:55:00.000 But he had them, and they got away from him.

01:55:03.000 They were in his yard, and they went over to the neighbor's property and killed something like 18 sheep or something like that.

01:55:11.000 Just went on an orgy of murder.

01:55:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:55:14.000 And just slaughtered this guy's sheep. 0.98

01:55:16.000 Yeah.

01:55:16.000 And then, you know, the...

01:55:19.000 Rancher comes over, pissed at him, and he tried to deny it and gives his wolves a bath.

01:55:23.000 And I'm like, come on, man. 0.99

01:55:24.000 What the fuck else is going to kill 18 of them? 1.00

01:55:26.000 A mountain lion is going to kill one and eat it. 1.00

01:55:29.000 It's a well-fed wolf dog that's going to go on this mad orgy of murder. 0.97

01:55:34.000 Yeah, I've read a lot.

01:55:35.000 I've always been a fan of wolves, which is kind of cool to do that commercial with the wolf.

01:55:39.000 But I read Call of the Wild when I was a kid and White Fang, all that. 0.53

01:55:45.000 I've read a lot about wolves and they're one of the only animals that'll do thrill killing. 0.99

01:55:49.000 Just kill a bunch of things just to kill them.

01:55:53.000 Whereas other animals usually kill just what they eat.

01:55:57.000 Yeah, they had a problem with that recently at this ranch in Montana where this pack of wolves just got a hold of these calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves, like, you know, a ton of them, like, you know, 12 calves, and just left them.

01:56:11.000 I mean, ate part of them, but left a lot of them just sitting there dead, frozen.

01:56:15.000 And it was a really creepy scene.

01:56:17.000 It was on a television show that I was watching. 0.99

01:56:19.000 And when they're, you know, these calves that are mostly covered in snow, you see their bodies and you see the havoc that these things, They're too close to people, these fucking wolves. 0.99

01:56:30.000 They're creepy in a weird way. 0.99

01:56:32.000 They're smart.

01:56:33.000 They're sneaky. 0.95

01:56:34.000 They're strategic in how they kill things.

01:56:37.000 And then they do this thrill-killing thing.

01:56:40.000 And you can't blame a wolf.

01:56:42.000 That's just how they are.

01:56:43.000 But we don't need a bunch of them running around the mountains.

01:56:47.000 People have a weird relationship with them because they look so much like dogs.

01:56:51.000 You know, it's a strange sort of a relationship that people who love wildlife have that they would be cured of really fucking quickly if they were out there in the woods and they saw a pack of wolves.

01:57:03.000 Yeah. 0.58

01:57:03.000 Because they would realize, oh, these are monsters. 0.58

01:57:06.000 Yeah.

01:57:06.000 These are the things that they made Little Red Riding Hood about.

01:57:10.000 This is the big bad wolf.

01:57:12.000 Yeah.

01:57:12.000 Like, there's a reason why all of those children's stories involved evil wolves because wolves eat kids.

01:57:19.000 Yeah.

01:57:19.000 On a regular basis back then.

01:57:21.000 Well, it's people...

01:57:22.000 There's not realistic about it.

01:57:24.000 I mean, a wolf, they're just looking for something to kill.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:28.000 Whether it's your baby.

01:57:29.000 You.

01:57:30.000 Yeah, you.

01:57:31.000 A deer.

01:57:31.000 Yeah.

01:57:32.000 You know, and people, you know, just like that Timothy Treadwell up in Alaska when he was living with the bears and he thought, oh, bears are my friends.

01:57:38.000 You know, this...

01:57:39.000 Hello, Mr. Chocolate.

01:57:40.000 Yeah.

01:57:40.000 How are you?

01:57:41.000 They ate him and his girlfriend.

01:57:43.000 Yeah.

01:57:43.000 And it's just like, they're not your friends.

01:57:46.000 Not even slightly.

01:57:48.000 No.

01:57:49.000 The only reason why they aren't eating you is because they don't eat you every day, so they're not used to seeing you as food.

01:57:54.000 That's it.

01:57:54.000 Yeah.

01:57:54.000 That's all it is.

01:57:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:57:56.000 And with wolves, they're like, this motherfucker might have a bang stick. 0.99

01:57:59.000 They're like, circle you, look, and what's that thing in his hand? 0.99

01:58:01.000 Hmm.

01:58:01.000 Yeah.

01:58:02.000 I might go bang.

01:58:03.000 Yeah.

01:58:03.000 You know, they've heard the bang stick a few times and they go running.

01:58:06.000 Yeah.

01:58:07.000 I'm not a big fan of wolves.

01:58:08.000 I am a big fan of wolves, and I'm not a big fan of wolves.

01:58:11.000 I'm a big fan as far as them.

01:58:13.000 Just like I'm a big fan of lions, I think.

01:58:15.000 Even mountain lions.

01:58:16.000 I think they're fascinating.

01:58:17.000 Just wild animals, wild predators are absolutely...

01:58:20.000 They're chanting, in a way.

01:58:23.000 Just this idea that this thing exists along with us, with our lattes, and our electric cars, and our Wi-Fi. 0.98

01:58:30.000 Along at the same time, at this very same moment we're doing this podcast, there's some gangster-ass mountain lion in Arizona right now getting shit done on a mountain. 0.99

01:58:41.000 Sneaking up on some ram or whatever the fuck he can get his teeth onto. 0.99

01:58:45.000 And that's what he does every day. 0.99

01:58:47.000 And there's thousands of them.

01:58:48.000 It's not just one.

01:58:49.000 There's a whole community of mountain lions, and that's what they do.

01:58:52.000 Whether it's the wolves in Idaho that are destroying the elk.

01:58:55.000 They're really, really fascinating.

01:58:57.000 But...

01:58:58.000 People who are anti-hunting need to understand that just because a lot of people don't like to eat mountain lion or because nobody eats wolves, You still need to kill those things.

01:59:06.000 And it's important.

01:59:08.000 Because if it doesn't happen, they're going to creep into civilian areas the same way they used to back in the day when they were writing those Little Red Riding Hood books.

01:59:17.000 I've told this story on the podcast before, but I'll tell it again.

01:59:20.000 In Paris in the 1400s, wolves killed 40 people in Paris.

01:59:26.000 They had to corner wolves in the streets of Paris and kill them with spears and sticks and rocks. 0.99

01:59:32.000 Like, they're not to be fucked with. 1.00

01:59:35.000 They're not your dogs. 1.00

01:59:36.000 It's not a beautiful animal that, you know, has a relationship.

01:59:40.000 I mean, even the way we treat, like, killer whales.

01:59:44.000 Killer whales don't kill people in the wild.

01:59:47.000 They actually help people that fall out of boats.

01:59:49.000 You know, killer whales might be your friends.

01:59:52.000 We should probably be way nicer to killer whales than we are to wolves.

01:59:55.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, there's something about...

01:59:58.000 Hunting a predator, you know, I mean, I've done a lot of bear hunts and I was up in Alberta this year.

02:00:04.000 Now, you know, a lot of people bear hunt and they'll like sit up in a tree stand this and that.

02:00:09.000 I'm like, I said, I want, I want to hunt.

02:00:11.000 I want to hunt a predator and they're seven foot black bear. 0.95

02:00:14.000 They're huge, but I want to be on the ground.

02:00:16.000 I was up there with John Rivett in, uh, in Alberta.

02:00:19.000 I said, I want to be on the ground.

02:00:22.000 Living amongst them.

02:00:23.000 And there's something about...

02:00:24.000 And so we did that.

02:00:25.000 This is your here.

02:00:26.000 What are you cooking here?

02:00:27.000 Oh, call that bear crack.

02:00:29.000 Yeah, so you bait them up there.

02:00:32.000 And there's so many bear up there. 0.89

02:00:34.000 You can kill two bears.

02:00:35.000 There's just like tons of bear. 0.96

02:00:36.000 You need to manage that number.

02:00:38.000 So that bear...

02:00:39.000 We call it bear crack because once they get hooked on the crack... 0.61

02:00:43.000 I mean, they're coming in.

02:00:45.000 And what is bear crack?

02:00:46.000 What are you mixing in there?

02:00:49.000 Marshmallows and jello and stuff like that.

02:00:52.000 Just something that smells good.

02:00:53.000 But those bears get...

02:00:55.000 Do you cook it?

02:00:56.000 Yeah, just kind of get it wafting in the air and then the smoke goes off through there.

02:01:02.000 But I wanted to...

02:01:04.000 Like that bear was probably...

02:01:07.000 God, what was that?

02:01:08.000 Like maybe 12 feet away?

02:01:10.000 Yeah, pull that video up again, Jamie.

02:01:12.000 Look how close this little bear is!

02:01:14.000 That's a big bear too, man!

02:01:16.000 Yeah, that's a good bear.

02:01:17.000 And we should point out probably that black bear are much less likely to attack a person than a grizzly.

02:01:22.000 Yeah, I mean, they'll...

02:01:24.000 But the thing is, with the wild animal, they'll do whatever they want.

02:01:26.000 Yeah.

02:01:27.000 I mean, yeah, you can say...

02:01:28.000 They'll follow the books.

02:01:28.000 No, I mean, you might get attacked and you go, hey, you're less likely to do that, you know?

02:01:34.000 It doesn't matter.

02:01:35.000 So you never know.

02:01:36.000 A bear comes and any animal will make a decision right then on what they want to do.

02:01:43.000 You know, if it's a predator, if it's a dominant predator, dominant bear are more likely just to come walking right in like that and just say, you better leave because I'm coming in.

02:01:54.000 And those are the ones I go after.

02:01:58.000 I want the dominant animal.

02:02:01.000 And that one...

02:02:03.000 That one wasn't like one of the giant...

02:02:05.000 That was a big bear, but not one of the giant bear.

02:02:07.000 But there's something about being on the ground eye to eye with a predator like that that's...

02:02:12.000 I mean, that's just what I like to do.

02:02:16.000 So you passed on that bear because it was too small?

02:02:18.000 Yeah.

02:02:18.000 Wow.

02:02:19.000 Yeah.

02:02:20.000 That's a big bear.

02:02:21.000 Yeah, that was.

02:02:22.000 But it wasn't seven foot, 400 pounds like the ones that I got.

02:02:27.000 How big was that one, you think?

02:02:29.000 That's like probably six foot, maybe, you know, 250 or 275. Wow.

02:02:35.000 Now, why do you want the dominant ones? 0.99

02:02:38.000 They're the, you know, they're the older, sometimes those old boars don't breed as much as they used to.

02:02:44.000 A lot of the old boars, you know, especially a dominant boar will kill other bear.

02:02:51.000 So even if it's an own cub, I mean, it breeds a lot of sows, you know, when they're in their prime.

02:02:57.000 So the sows have cubs.

02:02:58.000 A dominant boar will kill the cubs because he's trying to eliminate competition for him. 0.98

02:03:04.000 So he'll kill his own cubs. 0.98

02:03:06.000 That's just how it works. 1.00

02:03:07.000 And they eat them too, right?

02:03:09.000 Yeah, they eat them.

02:03:11.000 We were on Prince of Wales Island.

02:03:14.000 That's where this video is right here.

02:03:16.000 Prince of Wales Island one time.

02:03:17.000 Or no, no.

02:03:18.000 This is Alaska.

02:03:19.000 This isn't Prince of Wales.

02:03:20.000 But this guy hit this bear and we came right at dark.

02:03:23.000 We came back the next day to recover it and the dominant boar had eaten his bear.

02:03:28.000 That's just...

02:03:28.000 They are just...

02:03:30.000 I don't know.

02:03:31.000 It's just survival of the fittest, basically.

02:03:34.000 So you want...

02:03:35.000 We take those dominant boars out of there and it pretty much helps the health of the herd, basically.

02:03:42.000 But the numbers...

02:03:43.000 Bears aren't heard.

02:03:44.000 But whatever the...

02:03:47.000 How many bears are there?

02:03:48.000 It'll help taking that big, nasty, dominant one out of there. 1.00

02:03:53.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:03:55.000 I just don't need to kill just to kill.

02:03:59.000 When I first started, I killed anything I'd have a chance at. 0.68

02:04:03.000 I just wanted to notch that tag, take meat home to my family and have success.

02:04:08.000 I mean, like, I hunted back home for deer in Oregon, and I didn't kill.

02:04:13.000 I passed up everything because I never saw the animal that I wanted to kill.

02:04:17.000 I never saw a mature buck, one that I wanted to get, so I just didn't kill.

02:04:21.000 I mean, I don't need to kill.

02:04:23.000 If I'm going to, it's going to be something that, you know, I'm really, I don't know, infatuated with or just...

02:04:31.000 Sold on I really want that so it's just a matter of you just Did you see good deer you just didn't see a great one?

02:04:37.000 Yeah Yeah, so good bucks probably most people would kill them, but I just didn't see the one I wanted.

02:04:42.000 What were you looking for how big?

02:04:44.000 Like a big, you know, 4x4, you know, kind of like, you know, like what you got there.

02:04:50.000 Mule deer.

02:04:50.000 But this is blacktail.

02:04:52.000 Blacktail.

02:04:52.000 Yeah, this is in Western Oregon.

02:04:54.000 So a good 4x4 blacktail, you know, 5 years old, good mature buck.

02:04:59.000 And I just never had a chance at one, so I didn't kill anything.

02:05:02.000 Now these bear that you're killing in Alberta, is that where it was?

02:05:05.000 Or Alaska?

02:05:07.000 Where was it?

02:05:07.000 Prince of Wales?

02:05:08.000 This last one, like we showed that clip, that was Alberta. 1.00

02:05:12.000 Alberta?

02:05:13.000 Are you eating these bears?

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:14.000 Oh yeah.

02:05:15.000 No, I eat everything I kill.

02:05:17.000 What does it taste like when you eat this big old bear?

02:05:20.000 Chicken.

02:05:21.000 No.

02:05:23.000 No.

02:05:24.000 Bear, you know, bear, I've had really good bear.

02:05:28.000 And it used to be...

02:05:30.000 So, like, if you have a bear that's living on berries and you get up there in the mountains and you kill it, it's going to be really sweet meat because it's eating blueberries or whatever else.

02:05:38.000 If you have a bear that's coming in to bait and, like, some people bait down here just with meat scraps or whatever, might have maggots, it's probably not going to be that good, you know?

02:05:48.000 But those bear in Alberta, mostly there's just grain is what we're putting out there.

02:05:54.000 Little bear cracks.

02:05:55.000 So those bear are really good.

02:05:58.000 I don't know what it tastes like.

02:05:59.000 It's more like, it's fatter meat, maybe more like pork, but it's good.

02:06:06.000 What are they eating for the most part?

02:06:07.000 Like what's their diet consist of in Alberta?

02:06:12.000 Man.

02:06:12.000 Whatever they can get a hold of?

02:06:14.000 A lot of grass.

02:06:15.000 Vegetation.

02:06:15.000 A lot of grass.

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:17.000 It depends on the time of the year.

02:06:20.000 But they'll take some oats over grass any day.

02:06:24.000 Yeah, I watched this episode of Meat Eater with Steve Rinella where he went for these fall bears that were fattening up before they would hibernate, and they were eating berries.

02:06:35.000 They were eating blueberries.

02:06:36.000 And it was incredible because as he was cutting this bear open, you see the fat is actually blue.

02:06:41.000 It's got like a blue tint to it from all the berries that this animal had been eating.

02:06:45.000 And he said it was just unbelievably good.

02:06:47.000 Good.

02:06:48.000 Yeah, I know.

02:06:48.000 And that's, you know, you get those huge black bears or if they're eating fish, like in Alaska, if they're down where, like on Prince of Wales, they can eat a lot of fish that come in.

02:06:58.000 And those bears are huge because of all that protein.

02:07:01.000 I mean, just it's all about their diet and they get giant because they're eating solid protein all the time.

02:07:06.000 But those bears aren't as good from fish for whatever reason.

02:07:11.000 They taste fishy?

02:07:13.000 I don't know about fishy, just not as sweet.

02:07:16.000 Yeah, because I've heard like diver ducks.

02:07:18.000 There's two types of ducks for folks who don't know. 0.75

02:07:20.000 There's ducks that eat vegetation.

02:07:22.000 There's diver ducks that go under the water and eat fish. 1.00

02:07:25.000 And those kind of taste like shit. 1.00

02:07:26.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:07:28.000 No, it's probably the same with anything.

02:07:31.000 You are what you eat.

02:07:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:07:32.000 So if you're getting to eat a person, make sure it's a vegetarian.

02:07:35.000 Yeah, there's Steve Ranella with this blueberry fat bear.

02:07:40.000 Yeah.

02:07:41.000 This fat is just like a berry.

02:07:43.000 It's almost half liquid at room temp.

02:07:46.000 If you read old accounts from like pioneering Alaskans, I mean not even that long ago, even back in the 1950s, everybody would want to kill a big fat bear in the fall like this on berries.

02:08:02.000 They didn't have butter and oil.

02:08:06.000 And they would kill these bears.

02:08:07.000 Take the fat. 0.90

02:08:09.000 Just to lay by a winter's worth of butter and oil.

02:08:11.000 Wow.

02:08:13.000 I shouldn't call it butter, but you know, something to substitute is butter.

02:08:16.000 You can just spread the fat.

02:08:17.000 Once you cook it, you can spread the fat.

02:08:19.000 You know, another thing that's unfortunate is everybody can't do that.

02:08:22.000 Because there's literally not enough game for everybody.

02:08:25.000 If the entire country went hunting...

02:08:28.000 Yeah, they're not going to either.

02:08:29.000 Just like I said, when I started writing about my hunts in the mountains, even people that thought they wanted to do it didn't want to do it.

02:08:35.000 I mean, yeah, not everybody wants to do that.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:39.000 It's hard work, man.

02:08:41.000 It's hard work.

02:08:41.000 I enjoyed it very, very much.

02:08:43.000 But I'm not scared to work hard, and I like new experiences.

02:08:47.000 So for me, it was very exciting and invigorating. 0.98

02:08:50.000 But I could see someone who's a bitch who couldn't handle it. 1.00

02:08:54.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:08:55.000 No, there's nothing easy about carrying all your gear, all your survival gear, trying to get an animal.

02:09:01.000 I mean...

02:09:03.000 Sometimes, I've been on hunts even now that are so tough, I wondered, how have I ever killed anything with a bow?

02:09:10.000 It just seems impossible to get in bow range and make a good shot and recover the animal.

02:09:16.000 It's just so tough.

02:09:18.000 Rinello was telling me about this moose that they shot where he had to carry it.

02:09:24.000 They did nothing but go out to this moose, cut it up, and carry it back for three days because it was like a nine-mile trip.

02:09:31.000 So they would go to camp, they would get up in the morning, go hike out to where the moose was, take pieces of the moose, put it in their packs, and then walk back.

02:09:39.000 And they did it for three days in a row.

02:09:40.000 And he said he wasn't right for two weeks.

02:09:42.000 He said his body was just broken down.

02:09:44.000 Yeah.

02:09:45.000 No, that's...

02:09:46.000 You earn everything you get out of the mountains.

02:09:49.000 They'll get it out of you one way or another.

02:09:51.000 Most people are just not going to experience that.

02:09:52.000 It's unfortunate, but when you do do it, the people that do do it, one of the thrills of it is that most people are not going to experience that.

02:10:01.000 No, but I think you should be able to respect it.

02:10:04.000 That's the thing.

02:10:04.000 It's not saying you need to do it, but man, it's not too much to ask to respect what it takes.

02:10:10.000 Do you find that people disrespect it?

02:10:13.000 Well, I just think that they minimize.

02:10:15.000 They're just thinking like, oh, you know, do you think you're a big man from going out and killing?

02:10:19.000 You know, I get anti-hunters who post on some of my videos or, you know, from killing an innocent animal.

02:10:26.000 It's just like, no, you don't even get it.

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:30.000 That's a weird thing that people love to say.

02:10:33.000 They love to say that, you know, you're killing an innocent animal.

02:10:36.000 There's nothing innocent about being an animal, by the way.

02:10:38.000 You know, animals are living by the wild.

02:10:41.000 I mean, that's what they're doing.

02:10:43.000 There's nothing innocent about it.

02:10:45.000 It's probably the least innocent thing that a living creature does.

02:10:48.000 Yeah.

02:10:49.000 If they have to kill to survive, any animal will.

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 I mean, that's...

02:10:53.000 That's what it's about. 1.00

02:10:54.000 Yeah, and by the way, they'll run you over with those fucking antlers. 1.00

02:10:57.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:10:58.000 They'll make a charge of you and run those fucking things through you like a shish kebab. 1.00

02:11:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:02.000 No, I know.

02:11:03.000 So I just think...

02:11:05.000 So that's kind of why I like videoing the work and the effort and all that because you don't necessarily have to do what I do, but just respect it.

02:11:16.000 And that's the thing.

02:11:18.000 I mean, that's...

02:11:19.000 We're good to go.

02:11:27.000 With bow hunting, for whatever reason, because it seems like it's harder, you know, then they'll easily say negative stuff about rifle hunting because they say, oh, you don't have to be close or you can shoot from 400 yards or whatever.

02:11:39.000 But with bow hunting, for whatever reason, we get a little more of a pass because it is difficult.

02:11:44.000 So, and rifle hunting is hard, too.

02:11:46.000 I don't want to say rifle hunting is easy because it's a whole different deal.

02:11:50.000 You're hunting in, there's more competition with the rifle out there, so you're competing against other guys.

02:11:56.000 The animals have been hunted a little more, so they're a little more wary by that time of year.

02:12:00.000 So rifle hunting is still tough, and those guys have my respect as well.

02:12:05.000 But just for the general population, it seems like bow hunting.

02:12:08.000 And bow hunting is cool right now.

02:12:10.000 Yeah.

02:12:10.000 I mean, it's gaining in popularity.

02:12:12.000 Is it really?

02:12:13.000 Yeah.

02:12:14.000 What do you attribute that to?

02:12:16.000 I don't know.

02:12:17.000 Cameron Haynes videos online?

02:12:18.000 It's all me.

02:12:19.000 I did it all.

02:12:21.000 I mean, from Hunger Games.

02:12:24.000 Is that what it is?

02:12:25.000 Well, it's just kind of cool.

02:12:28.000 And then I get a lot of emails and correspondence from young guys who want to be more badass, so to speak.

02:12:36.000 And bow hunting, I mean...

02:12:39.000 Shooting a bow is just cool.

02:12:41.000 Yeah.

02:12:42.000 You know?

02:12:42.000 Well, for folks who don't even want to shoot anything, they don't want to kill an animal, you might be a vegetarian, whatever, you might just be fine, John Hackleman-style, going to the supermarket and buying your steak.

02:12:53.000 Nothing wrong with that, but I really love archery, and I've rediscovered it.

02:12:57.000 I did it when I was a kid.

02:12:58.000 I was in the Boy Scouts, and I enjoyed it then, but I never really got into it.

02:13:02.000 I just did it a few times, and I always thought it was fun.

02:13:04.000 But, man, since I picked up...

02:13:07.000 This bow, I guess I got it about a couple of months ago.

02:13:11.000 I really enjoy it.

02:13:12.000 I just enjoy shooting targets.

02:13:14.000 It's really fun.

02:13:15.000 Because when you're concentrating on that target, you're not thinking of nothing else.

02:13:20.000 It's very difficult.

02:13:22.000 You're trying to be steady.

02:13:23.000 And when you're trying to be steady, there's something zen in that.

02:13:26.000 In that Zen activity, there's something that's cleansing or something.

02:13:31.000 I mean, I don't know what it is, but in order to really be accurate with a bow, it requires so much discipline.

02:13:38.000 Yeah, it does.

02:13:39.000 And that's, you know, getting out, shooting a bow.

02:13:42.000 I like getting out in the summer, shirt off, listening to music, just by myself.

02:13:48.000 I usually go by myself.

02:13:49.000 And just, you know, there's something about watching an arrow arc and drop into the target.

02:13:54.000 And that's just...

02:13:56.000 I don't know.

02:13:57.000 It's powerful.

02:13:57.000 It's relaxing.

02:13:59.000 It's zen-like, you know, like what you mentioned. 0.97

02:14:02.000 And I think people see that.

02:14:04.000 And then you look at the bows and the bows look cool.

02:14:07.000 You know, everybody, they're, you know, you'll get into it also, but your arrow is like your signature.

02:14:12.000 So everybody has their arrow and it's got their colors.

02:14:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:14:17.000 And it's got, you can get custom wraps on it.

02:14:19.000 So I have wraps that say fear is a liar and fletch that say beast mode.

02:14:24.000 And so your arrow becomes...

02:14:27.000 If you walk in some place and you're shooting with other guys, everybody's looking at your arrow.

02:14:30.000 It's just kind of cool.

02:14:32.000 You can customize.

02:14:33.000 People, they see their bows and they take a lot of pride in how their bow is set up.

02:14:37.000 Everybody believes that their setup is better than the next guy's for whatever reason.

02:14:43.000 People get so invested in archery.

02:14:48.000 It's just powerful.

02:14:50.000 Like I've said before, bow hunting has changed my life.

02:14:54.000 I went from From a kid who had no direction, basically, to now I know exactly what I want to do and who I want to be.

02:15:03.000 And it's, you know, allowed me to get on, talk to Joe Rogan here in LA, bow hunting.

02:15:08.000 Is that, that's just, I mean, that just seems crazy to me.

02:15:12.000 So it's, uh, it's, it's just a powerful deal.

02:15:15.000 And you're wearing an Under Armour shirt, man.

02:15:16.000 Under Armour sponsors you.

02:15:17.000 I mean, they make your shirts.

02:15:19.000 They do.

02:15:19.000 Just that alone.

02:15:20.000 You're in an Under Armour commercial with a wolf.

02:15:22.000 Yeah, no.

02:15:23.000 Under Armour, they've been my longest sponsor, and I think they told me I'm their longest tenured professional athlete.

02:15:33.000 Really?

02:15:34.000 Yeah, nine years.

02:15:34.000 That's incredible.

02:15:35.000 How did you get involved with that?

02:15:38.000 It was actually, we were at SHOT Show, like, so 10 years ago, I think.

02:15:43.000 And I walked by their booth and they had, there's a picture of Randy White.

02:15:47.000 He was wearing Under Armour and they had it in their booth.

02:15:49.000 He's standing out there with a bow.

02:15:50.000 You know, Randy White played for the Cowboys.

02:15:53.000 Super Bowl MVP. And he had this bow and I'm like, I'm like, dang, he looks like a monster.

02:15:59.000 He's like 50-some years old and just veins everywhere, just a stud.

02:16:02.000 That caught my attention.

02:16:03.000 I'm like, so I talked to Eric Crawford was the guy's name at the booth there, and I'm like, so how come you guys are here?

02:16:10.000 You know, I thought you were sports, you know, just, you know, football and baseball, things like that.

02:16:16.000 They go, oh, we're getting into hunting.

02:16:18.000 And all they had was like the green or the brown, just tight hunting.

02:16:22.000 We're hunting just that first layer.

02:16:24.000 And I said, Oh, that's cool.

02:16:25.000 So it just kind of, he had seen me, I was editing this magazine called Eastman's Bowhunting Journal, and he'd got the magazine.

02:16:32.000 So he knew who I was.

02:16:34.000 So just kind of started from there.

02:16:36.000 I signed on with them and their hunting line now is huge. 0.87

02:16:41.000 Yeah, there's a commercial that I make fun of when it comes on because it's so silly.

02:16:46.000 There's all these athletes, like there's this woman who's like a professional skier, I guess, and there's all these different athletes doing all this athletic stuff, and then there's a Duck Dynasty guy with this big fat moon pie face, and he's looking around, and they're talking about athletes, and he's blowing his duck off.

02:17:02.000 I'm like, that's not an athlete!

02:17:04.000 Dude, that's Willie.

02:17:05.000 You can't...

02:17:05.000 Who's Willie?

02:17:06.000 The fat guy's Willie?

02:17:07.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:17:07.000 You can't make fun of him? 0.87

02:17:08.000 I think that's like against some sort of law.

02:17:10.000 Nope.

02:17:10.000 I just did.

02:17:11.000 He's a fat fuck and he's got a big fucking dinner plate face. 1.00

02:17:14.000 He's big boned. 1.00

02:17:16.000 He's fat. 1.00

02:17:16.000 That dude's fat as fuck. 1.00

02:17:18.000 That dude couldn't go hunting with you. 1.00

02:17:20.000 He's sitting around waiting for ducks to fall out of the sky.

02:17:23.000 But it's just hilarious that when his fat moon pie face comes on, no disrespect, that's when it says...

02:17:29.000 That's what it says.

02:17:31.000 It's like they say the word athletes, that we make clothes for athletes.

02:17:35.000 Like, come on, man.

02:17:36.000 I know.

02:17:37.000 They didn't call me for that.

02:17:38.000 They should call you for that is what I'm saying.

02:17:41.000 Do you think America is ready?

02:17:42.000 I mean, look, we have this Duck Dynasty show, right?

02:17:45.000 So it's a reality show, which is...

02:17:47.000 Let's be honest.

02:17:48.000 It's not really a reality show.

02:17:49.000 It's scripted.

02:17:50.000 There's fake scenarios.

02:17:52.000 But the premise of the show involves hunting.

02:17:56.000 And I think that's fascinating. 0.98

02:17:58.000 I think the show is ridiculous. 0.53

02:18:02.000 But I like the fact that it's a hugely popular show, and the show's about hunting. 0.96

02:18:08.000 And I think there's a real hypocritical attitude that a lot of people in this country have because of the fact that food is so readily available, because it's so easy to just go to the supermarket and buy food.

02:18:19.000 People say, well, why would you want to get it yourself? 0.95

02:18:21.000 You must be a cruel person that wants to go out and shoot animals.

02:18:24.000 I think even though it's a baby step, a show We're like a Duck Dynasty type show where you see these guys that are hunters and it's a hugely popular show where 16 million people watch it, whatever the hell it is. 0.88

02:18:37.000 That's good because that's slowly starting to integrate.

02:18:41.000 It's okay because it's ducks and people don't really have as much of an affinity to ducks as they do to Bambi.

02:18:46.000 A deer hunting show would be a little bit more problematic.

02:18:50.000 They need to do a show with you, dude. 0.56

02:18:52.000 This is what I'm getting at.

02:18:53.000 A show with you.

02:18:54.000 Tell them.

02:18:55.000 Out there.

02:18:55.000 I'm telling them right now.

02:18:56.000 They're listening.

02:18:57.000 Trust me.

02:18:57.000 There's a lot of Hollywood people listening to this show.

02:19:00.000 Shows have been made because of people being on this show.

02:19:03.000 That would be a...

02:19:04.000 There's that fat moon pie face. 1.00

02:19:05.000 Back that shit up. 1.00

02:19:06.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:19:07.000 Come on, son. 0.93

02:19:09.000 Look at that big fat face. 0.99

02:19:11.000 You are not an athlete, man. 0.98

02:19:14.000 Willie's a stud.

02:19:16.000 He's not a stud.

02:19:17.000 Look at that. 0.98

02:19:18.000 That's a fat man. 0.92

02:19:19.000 He's not a stud. 0.99

02:19:20.000 You're a stud. 1.00

02:19:20.000 That's a fat man. 1.00

02:19:21.000 I know you're being nice, but you've got to cut that shit. 1.00

02:19:24.000 He could be a stud. 1.00

02:19:25.000 He's got the potential inside of him, but he's eating fucking Cheetos and moon pies. 1.00

02:19:30.000 His dad... 1.00

02:19:31.000 His dad, on that show, on Duck Dynasty, he was an athlete at, I think, Louisiana State or something like that.

02:19:40.000 But his backup, he was a quarterback on the football team, Willie's dad, Phil, and his backup was Terry Bradshaw.

02:19:47.000 Really?

02:19:47.000 Yeah.

02:19:48.000 Wow.

02:19:49.000 That's fascinating.

02:19:51.000 Yeah.

02:19:51.000 That's interesting.

02:19:52.000 But how come Phil's all angry at the gays? 0.98

02:19:55.000 He's got real problems with the gays. 0.98

02:19:57.000 Yeah, he does. 0.99

02:19:58.000 Whoa, there's all these gays. 1.00

02:20:00.000 See, right there. 0.98

02:20:01.000 How good was Phil Robertson at football?

02:20:03.000 See, he was a stud.

02:20:04.000 Yeah, at one point in time. 1.00

02:20:05.000 Now he's a gay basher. 0.99

02:20:07.000 He's all angry about gays. 1.00

02:20:08.000 Gotta let go, Phil. 0.99

02:20:10.000 They don't care about you.

02:20:10.000 You shouldn't care about them.

02:20:12.000 But, you know, as far as me being on the TV show, so...

02:20:16.000 Nice segue and change gears.

02:20:18.000 I like how you did that.

02:20:19.000 That's professional.

02:20:20.000 That's how a good man in the media would do it.

02:20:22.000 No, so I have to turn in a contract today for a reality show.

02:20:27.000 Do you?

02:20:27.000 Here in LA. Really?

02:20:29.000 Yeah.

02:20:29.000 That's one of the reasons why you're here?

02:20:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:20:31.000 Okay, well talk to me about it afterwards and make sure they won't fuck you over because things get tricky in the world of reality TV. Yeah, well this is just for the pilot. 0.63

02:20:39.000 Okay.

02:20:39.000 Either way, if you sign on for the pilot, you sign on for the rest of your life.

02:20:42.000 I have a friend who they asked him to do a reality show and fortunately for him, he has his own business and he's doing well.

02:20:50.000 But it was his girlfriend's idea.

02:20:52.000 She wanted to do this reality show.

02:20:53.000 And he read the contract, and he calls me up on the phone. 1.00

02:20:55.000 He's like, listen to this shit. 0.99

02:20:57.000 It's like, they own my likeness for a life. 1.00

02:21:00.000 Yeah.

02:21:01.000 Like, they own him for, like, what they're realizing, because of all, you know, like, from Survivor to Fear Factor, all these shows on, is that they've realized, like, Fear Factor, Michael Yeo is probably the only person that I know of that became famous because of Fear Factor.

02:21:17.000 And Michael Yeo is a comic, and he's on E! Really, really nice guy.

02:21:20.000 But you're famous.

02:21:22.000 Yeah, but I was famous already.

02:21:23.000 I wasn't really famous already, but I was on a sitcom.

02:21:25.000 And I don't know who Michael Yeo is.

02:21:26.000 He's a very nice guy.

02:21:28.000 He's a comic.

02:21:28.000 But my point was that, like...

02:21:32.000 I guess I certainly became more famous because of Fear Factor, but Fear Factor really didn't make too many stars.

02:21:37.000 But some of those shows made stars.

02:21:40.000 Some of these reality shows, whether it's The Bachelor or, of course, the singing shows like American Idol made a lot of stars.

02:21:49.000 So they've realized that there's...

02:21:52.000 There's potential money to be made once you're on that show, they make you a star, and then you're a business, you're a brand.

02:22:00.000 Well, they want that brand.

02:22:09.000 I think?

02:22:31.000 And does well, or doesn't do well, and then gets cancelled, and then you wind up doing something else, and that becomes it.

02:22:37.000 They still own you!

02:22:39.000 The first guy still owns you.

02:22:40.000 I got the contract over there, you need to look at it.

02:22:42.000 You need to get a lawyer to look at it.

02:22:45.000 It's a tricky business, this world of reality TV, and they look at people as commodities, and they look at reality as being...

02:22:55.000 Flexible.

02:22:56.000 So their version of reality is not really reality.

02:22:59.000 I mean, they're calling it reality shows, but a lot of what you're dealing with is these people that were involved in fiction.

02:23:06.000 They were involved in, like, sitcoms or dramas or what have you.

02:23:10.000 And they're producing reality TV now.

02:23:12.000 So they engineer it.

02:23:14.000 It's all fake.

02:23:15.000 Like they have fake setups, fake scenarios.

02:23:17.000 I had a problem with the show that I did for SyFy where an editor put a fake scene in.

02:23:22.000 They took a video, they added sound to the video, and they said that a listener or a podcast listener had sent this video in.

02:23:31.000 Total lie!

02:23:32.000 Complete fabrication. 0.99

02:23:33.000 I found out about it, and I went fucking crazy. 1.00

02:23:35.000 I had a shit fit. 0.99

02:23:36.000 I couldn't believe it, because especially my show was all about trying to find the truth. 0.99

02:23:41.000 It was about Joe Rogan questions everything, except this fake fucking video, apparently. 0.98

02:23:45.000 But it's standard. 0.99

02:23:47.000 It's what they've always done.

02:23:49.000 They do it because they think it makes a better...

02:23:51.000 They call it creative license.

02:23:53.000 They think it makes a better show.

02:23:55.000 Mm-hmm.

02:23:56.000 It doesn't make a better show.

02:23:57.000 They don't have to do it.

02:23:58.000 They just need to follow Cameron Haynes, the bow and arrow, hunting for elk.

02:24:03.000 Yeah.

02:24:03.000 What would we call it?

02:24:04.000 I don't know. 0.96

02:24:05.000 Let's do it off the air because someone will fucking steal our idea. 0.57

02:24:09.000 Off the air, we'll come up with a way to do it with you. 0.88

02:24:11.000 Okay.

02:24:12.000 You've got to be careful, though, man.

02:24:13.000 Don't get in bed with the wrong cats because...

02:24:16.000 This is a sneaky town, you know, and they know, oh, look at this nice guy from Oregon.

02:24:22.000 He's a sweetheart.

02:24:24.000 Hillbilly.

02:24:24.000 Probably tells the truth all the time.

02:24:26.000 Poor bastard. 1.00

02:24:28.000 He's probably honest. 1.00

02:24:29.000 We'll eat him alive. 0.77

02:24:30.000 Yeah, out there hunting and everything. 0.97

02:24:32.000 No, no, no, go hunt.

02:24:32.000 We got your contracts, whatever, whatever.

02:24:34.000 Don't worry about all that.

02:24:35.000 We'll take care of you.

02:24:36.000 We'll take care of you.

02:24:37.000 I think that'd be a great show.

02:24:39.000 I've said that about Steve Rinella's show, too.

02:24:41.000 Steve Rinella's show, in my opinion, is the best hunting show on television.

02:24:44.000 Meat Eaters are a great show.

02:24:45.000 And it's a great show not just because it's a hunting show.

02:24:48.000 It's a great, you know, quote-unquote reality show, but it is a real reality show.

02:24:54.000 He got charged by a grizzly last night, the episode that I watched.

02:24:57.000 They were in the woods, and they were actually bear hunting, and a grizzly mother with her...

02:25:04.000 Cab?

02:25:05.000 No, what do we call them?

02:25:06.000 Cubs.

02:25:06.000 Cubs charged her.

02:25:08.000 And charged them. 1.00

02:25:09.000 And it was fucking crazy. 0.99

02:25:10.000 You see this giant grizzly running through the bush at them. 0.99

02:25:14.000 It's like, whoa.

02:25:15.000 Yeah, that's intense.

02:25:16.000 And the narration, you know, Steve is a really well-read guy.

02:25:20.000 He's very intelligent and articulate, so it's fascinating.

02:25:23.000 And he's an introspective guy, too, because the way he looks at these scenarios and life itself is really interesting.

02:25:29.000 And him, you know, just talking about grizzly bears and talking about...

02:25:34.000 It becomes an interesting show outside of the fact that it's a hunting show.

02:25:40.000 You could have a good show even where the kill is secondary.

02:25:44.000 This is it right here.

02:25:45.000 Back it up so you can see it before she runs at them because it's kind of fascinating.

02:25:51.000 She was circling around towards them and they started getting nervous.

02:25:55.000 So, were they grizzly hunting?

02:25:57.000 Oh, yeah.

02:25:59.000 Yeah, but they didn't want the female, obviously. 0.94

02:26:04.000 Yeah, they're trying to spook her.

02:26:13.000 Yeah.

02:26:20.000 Spins away, and Callahan says, I'll never forget, I want to get him a t-shirt with him and his mustache, and he says, Smell us now, lady.

02:26:29.000 Smell us now, lady.

02:26:30.000 That's the sentence that comes to Callahan's mind the minute a grizzly bear changes his mind decides not to maul him.

02:26:35.000 What he's referring to is, as she cuts, She gets like a downwind direction, you know?

02:26:42.000 And so Ryan's saying, like, now the wind will carry my odor to realize that we're people and we shouldn't be messed with.

02:26:48.000 And so what he yells is, smell us now, lady!

02:26:50.000 Which came kind of our, it's like the meaty, the rambling, crying out.

02:26:55.000 Seems like she would have known from the rifles going off, too.

02:26:57.000 Well, yeah.

02:26:58.000 Well, she heard it as she was running.

02:27:00.000 She was probably breathing and growling and everything. 0.99

02:27:03.000 She probably didn't know exactly what it was until it was too late.

02:27:06.000 Yeah.

02:27:06.000 They get pretty tunnel vision about protecting...

02:27:08.000 I think these shows, there's an element of reality in a good hunting show that would be fascinating on regular television.

02:27:19.000 And these shows, a lot of them, they're on the Sportsman's Channel, the Outdoors Network.

02:27:24.000 What channel is your show on?

02:27:26.000 Outdoor Channel.

02:27:27.000 Yeah, outdoor channel.

02:27:27.000 And so these channels, a lot of people don't go to that area.

02:27:31.000 For me, it's like 600, 605, 604, 606 on DirecTV.

02:27:38.000 And a lot of folks don't go to that area unless they're looking for Mexican porn. 0.93

02:27:41.000 That's like a few channels up.

02:27:43.000 That's 606, isn't it?

02:27:44.000 That's 618 or something.

02:27:45.000 Well, there's some Fox Sports.

02:27:48.000 There's Fox Sports 2 or something like that.

02:27:50.000 It's up there as well.

02:27:52.000 Some sports channels are up in that area too, but it's just a weird area of the dial, and I think it's unfortunate.

02:27:59.000 I think that's the untapped area. 0.93

02:28:02.000 I don't want to say this for Hollywood because these same fuckheads who make fake scenarios are going to come in and ruin it, but a show like Meat Eater or a show following you around elk hunting with a bow... 1.00

02:28:14.000 There's so much drama and reality in that without having to add bullshit. 0.99

02:28:21.000 Someone's got to do something like that. 0.87

02:28:22.000 I mean, Meat Eater does, but someone else could do it too, where you make a pledge.

02:28:26.000 There's going to be no lying. 0.99

02:28:27.000 There's going to be no fake shit. 0.99

02:28:29.000 This is all real. 0.99

02:28:30.000 And it's great.

02:28:31.000 Real emotion.

02:28:33.000 Real...

02:28:33.000 Real providing.

02:28:35.000 I've had that pitch to me recently about just showing, because not only the training for the hunt, but the camaraderie, getting out there like the challenges I do for my bow, giving back.

02:28:50.000 That is all part of the story.

02:28:52.000 And yeah, we're killing an animal at the end, hopefully, maybe not, because a lot of hunts end with no kill.

02:28:57.000 But just the whole journey.

02:29:01.000 It seems like it would make good TV, but...

02:29:04.000 Steve shows a lot of hunts that have no kills.

02:29:07.000 I like that.

02:29:08.000 I like that he keeps it real like that.

02:29:10.000 I hate that expression, though, keep it real.

02:29:12.000 God, that expression's beaten up.

02:29:14.000 That is a beaten up expression.

02:29:16.000 But having that ethic, because he had a mountain lion hunt.

02:29:21.000 They didn't even see a mountain lion.

02:29:23.000 They went for nine days, didn't see one.

02:29:25.000 He had a recent elk hunt, saw a bunch of elk, never got close enough to get a shot at one.

02:29:31.000 And, you know, I think that's important, man.

02:29:33.000 I think it's important to show people that this is, it's called hunting.

02:29:38.000 It's not called shooting.

02:29:39.000 Right. 0.98

02:29:39.000 You know, here we're going to shoot animals today. 0.98

02:29:42.000 Come on, watch us. 0.99

02:29:43.000 People think that you drive out in a truck and Drinking beer or whatever you do and just see something and just shoot at it.

02:29:50.000 That's definitely not my hunting.

02:29:52.000 Well, that is the problem that the public opinion of hunting faces is the ignorance.

02:30:01.000 Well, Hollywood helps that too.

02:30:02.000 Does it?

02:30:03.000 Yeah.

02:30:04.000 Like that scene in Wolverine?

02:30:05.000 Is that what you mean?

02:30:05.000 Yeah.

02:30:06.000 Right.

02:30:06.000 So, I mean, they're showing supposedly hunters out there.

02:30:10.000 They shoot this, I think it's actually Wolverine, as he was an animal, but shoot him with a poison pod arrow, which I don't even, I've never even seen a poison pod arrow, but so...

02:30:21.000 He has poison on the arrow, shoots him.

02:30:24.000 He turns back into Hugh Jackman or whatever.

02:30:26.000 And then he goes and he wants to...

02:30:28.000 What?

02:30:28.000 Are you serious?

02:30:29.000 I think you misread it.

02:30:30.000 There was a bear.

02:30:31.000 Oh, was it?

02:30:32.000 He found the bear.

02:30:33.000 Oh, was that what it was?

02:30:34.000 Yeah, he didn't turn into a bear.

02:30:36.000 No, well, I thought it was... 0.99

02:30:37.000 You're confusing the shit out of people, man. 0.96

02:30:38.000 Okay. 0.99

02:30:39.000 How high were you when you were watching this, man?

02:30:41.000 No, I was on a plane, actually.

02:30:43.000 Oh, okay.

02:30:43.000 So I was probably in and out of sleeping.

02:30:44.000 But the point was is they got this arrow out of the bear...

02:30:50.000 I guess.

02:30:51.000 And he went, he found the hunters, they were at the bar.

02:30:54.000 And they're drinking at the bar and he went in there and, you know, shoved the poison arrow through the leader's hand.

02:31:00.000 And it's just like, so it's just showing hunters as the bad people.

02:31:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:05.000 And it's just like, that doesn't help anybody.

02:31:08.000 I've never been to a bar after hunting and definitely never used poison arrows.

02:31:12.000 It's just like, it's perpetuating that stereotype.

02:31:16.000 Well, yeah, and not only that, the way you shoot it, the poison wouldn't even get to them.

02:31:19.000 It would blow right through them, poison being the arrow on the other side of town.

02:31:23.000 Yeah, right.

02:31:23.000 No.

02:31:24.000 It's not even an effective way to transmit poison.

02:31:26.000 You know, you've got to get into the bloodstream.

02:31:28.000 Yeah.

02:31:28.000 You know, when you're shooting a missile through a bear's body, it doesn't work that way.

02:31:32.000 Yeah, that is, you know, look, these are Hollywood stereotypes.

02:31:36.000 These...

02:31:38.000 Classic black hat villains.

02:31:40.000 It's just so easy to do.

02:31:41.000 It's just lazy.

02:31:42.000 Yeah, that's all it is.

02:31:43.000 I think people just have the wrong idea.

02:31:47.000 Having a show that would show that success on elk with a bow is around 10%.

02:31:53.000 So it's like 90% of the guys out there pursuing elk with the bone arrow are failing and it's it's not guaranteed it is really tough showing that struggle and that's why i mean that's one of the reasons why i train the way i do i don't want to be in that 90 you know my goal is to be successful every single year so if you do what the average guy does you're going to fail nine times out of ten if you do more than the average if you do more than anybody else or the the standard Then maybe you'll have more

02:32:23.000 success. 0.99

02:32:24.000 And so, as it is, I kill my bull every single year.

02:32:28.000 And it's just, I think, it's not because I'm any better, it's because I just work harder preparing.

02:32:33.000 Well, you've become better through hard work.

02:32:36.000 Right.

02:32:36.000 You've become better with knowledge, you've become better with training, with fitness, with preparation, with arrow shooting.

02:32:42.000 You shoot arrows every day, right?

02:32:44.000 Yep, yep.

02:32:45.000 So it's just, you know, But if people could see how difficult it really is and see that, you know, like we did film in Australia where we have no food, we have no water, it's 120 degrees.

02:32:58.000 Drinking piss.

02:33:00.000 I think, you know, that would make compelling TV because they're like, wow, this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie, you know?

02:33:10.000 And I don't know.

02:33:11.000 I think...

02:33:13.000 I think it'd be not, I don't know, I think it'd be important to get out there because hunters are the number one conservationists there are in sharing that story.

02:33:22.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:33:24.000 And, you know, some people find that contradictory.

02:33:26.000 It's like I had a conversation with someone when we were talking about people.

02:33:30.000 And I was saying, well, okay, if you could only, you know, if you only hunted, like, one person a year, but the rest of the people, you made sure you fed them and you took care of them, they got great education and took care of their environment,

02:33:46.000 made sure the streets are clean, would it be okay to go out and hunt one person?

02:33:50.000 Right. 1.00

02:33:50.000 You know, people were like, fuck no! 1.00

02:33:52.000 And so, like, when you apply that to animal hunting, it's, for a lot of people, that's sort of the same sort of feeling they have. 0.99

02:34:01.000 But what they don't understand is, as the apex predator, people don't like to think of us as the apex predator, especially if you're a vegetarian or if you're an animal rights lover.

02:34:09.000 But...

02:34:10.000 There's a war going on between all life forms on this planet.

02:34:14.000 We are just so far ahead of the other animals that we forgot it's a war.

02:34:18.000 And we forgot that we have these POW camps in our cities.

02:34:21.000 We call them zoos.

02:34:23.000 And that's what that is.

02:34:24.000 Those are prisoner of war camps.

02:34:26.000 That's what we dominate this planet. 0.99

02:34:28.000 And the reason why you can get out of this office and go walk down the street and not worry about getting mauled is because we paved this motherfucker and we killed everything that can kill us and we made sure that anything that comes in, we call the cops and they send helicopters and they fucking circle the area with a flashlight until they find that cat and then they tranquilize it and they get it the fuck out of here. 0.99

02:34:49.000 This is our domain. 0.99

02:34:51.000 And you don't like to think it's our domain because you don't have to do any of the work.

02:34:54.000 But the reality comes into you full force If you're alone in Idaho with a bow and arrow and you get circled by a bunch of howling beasts and they're trying to take the elk away from you.

02:35:04.000 It comes real clear then. 0.99

02:35:06.000 Fuck yeah, it does. 1.00

02:35:07.000 We are the apex predators. 1.00

02:35:09.000 Whether you're a predator or not, the human animal is the apex predator.

02:35:13.000 And as that, we have to be the stewards of the land.

02:35:17.000 We have to manage this whole situation.

02:35:19.000 And that includes managing predators.

02:35:21.000 It includes managing game animals.

02:35:24.000 It includes the whole kit and caboodle.

02:35:26.000 And that's what hunters are.

02:35:27.000 That's what hunters' dollars do.

02:35:29.000 They put that hundred of the grassroots out there, feet on the ground, making it happen.

02:35:35.000 And if you don't do that, you know what the other option is? 1.00

02:35:37.000 You've got to pay someone to go kill these animals, which is even more ridiculous. 1.00

02:35:41.000 Because then you have to take taxpayer money away to go take animals that are made out of food and you've got to kill them. 0.99

02:35:49.000 These are animals that people could have paid to go kill and then enjoy the food themselves.

02:35:54.000 Now you've got to hire what they're doing in the Hamptons.

02:35:56.000 Have you heard about that in New York?

02:35:58.000 No.

02:35:58.000 They have a massive deer population.

02:36:01.000 So they're hiring snipers.

02:36:03.000 They're trying to figure out what to do.

02:36:04.000 They might spend money on, ready for this?

02:36:07.000 Strap in.

02:36:08.000 Birth control for deer.

02:36:09.000 They're talking about spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to give deer food with birth control in it to keep them from breeding.

02:36:16.000 Crazy.

02:36:17.000 They're made out of food!

02:36:19.000 Yeah, there's plenty of people who would like to go and help them control those animals and pay to do it.

02:36:23.000 Well, the problem is that it's an urban area.

02:36:25.000 Right.

02:36:26.000 And they've let it get so out of control that the surrounding areas where you would have a safe area where you can hunt, especially bow hunt...

02:36:36.000 You can't do it.

02:36:37.000 It's so crazy.

02:36:38.000 They're going to have to hire snipers.

02:36:39.000 They're going to have to figure out a way to...

02:36:42.000 You don't want hunters roaming around the Hamptons.

02:36:46.000 I wouldn't mind you doing it, but the average Yahoo, the average dude, you find out he can go hunting in the Hamptons.

02:36:54.000 I don't know, man.

02:36:55.000 I think you should have to have a black belt in hunting to go hunting in the Hamptons.

02:37:00.000 Yeah, I hear you.

02:37:01.000 Even then, I don't know if I'd be really cool with you hunting near a playground.

02:37:05.000 No.

02:37:06.000 Your arrow misses the mark and goes flying into some kid on a slide.

02:37:09.000 Wait, my arrow what?

02:37:10.000 Not yours.

02:37:11.000 Right, okay. 0.99

02:37:11.000 You meaning that other guy out there that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. 0.99

02:37:15.000 Not you. 0.99

02:37:15.000 No. 0.99

02:37:17.000 I missed once.

02:37:18.000 I bet you did.

02:37:19.000 But that's the reality of the situation, is that we're the ones, as the intelligent creatures that can communicate, we're the ones who have made an assessment, we've made a detailed analysis of all the different animals and the numbers, and we monitor them on a yearly basis.

02:37:36.000 And folks who don't know, they don't appreciate that.

02:37:39.000 I wasn't a hunter when I was young, and I didn't understand hunting. 0.94

02:37:42.000 And I thought there was something fucked up about it. 0.95

02:37:44.000 I would say, why would anybody want to kill a deer, man? 0.99

02:37:46.000 Deer are beautiful.

02:37:47.000 I was a fisherman.

02:37:48.000 I used to go fishing.

02:37:49.000 But that's where it ended for me.

02:37:51.000 I can't relate to a fish.

02:38:22.000 I don't know.

02:38:22.000 I think getting down there to the bow shop, and even just like you said, shooting a bow, you don't necessarily have to be a hunter.

02:38:28.000 But if you can listen to a hunter and kind of listen to their stories and listen to it, you don't have to go kill.

02:38:35.000 But a lot of guys learn a lot of good life lessons out in the mountains, and maybe you can pick up on that.

02:38:40.000 I like hanging out at the shop that set up your bow yesterday.

02:38:45.000 Or not yesterday, the day before, I think, is the Borac in Springfield, Oregon.

02:38:50.000 And it's like a bar with no alcohol as far as listening to stories.

02:38:55.000 It's awesome.

02:38:56.000 I love sitting on the stool, picking things up from other guys and just hearing stories.

02:39:00.000 And you don't have to be a hunter to enjoy that and enjoy firing a few arrows.

02:39:07.000 It's soothing.

02:39:08.000 Yeah.

02:39:09.000 Well, people that participate in the same sort of discipline, they enjoy that camaraderie together.

02:39:14.000 They understand each other in a way that maybe other folks don't.

02:39:16.000 You get that from a jiu-jitsu gym.

02:39:18.000 You get that from a kickboxing gym.

02:39:20.000 You get that from a CrossFit studio.

02:39:23.000 You get that from anything that you do where the people can sort of relate to this unusual activity that you partake in.

02:39:30.000 And I think that that's something about archery.

02:39:34.000 The place that I went to, the archery outpost in Los Alamitos, There's a bunch of people around there talking about, oh, have you seen the new Hoyt?

02:39:43.000 You know, they've got a new cam on the Matthews, and this has got, oh, they've got the Bowtech and Sandy, 355 feet per second, and blah, blah, blah.

02:39:50.000 You know, all that shop talk, and it's...

02:39:53.000 A lot of people are missing that sort of camaraderie in their everyday life because most days, from 9 to 5, you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about.

02:40:02.000 You have to talk about what you're getting paid to talk about.

02:40:04.000 You've got to talk about what your job entails.

02:40:07.000 For most people, they're trapped.

02:40:09.000 Trapped in this world like, you know, unfortunately, you said you are.

02:40:14.000 I didn't say that.

02:40:15.000 Get this reality show, brother.

02:40:17.000 Get cracking.

02:40:18.000 You'll be right up there with that fat moon pie face guy.

02:40:20.000 On TV. Sounds good.

02:40:22.000 No ducks, though.

02:40:23.000 Just elk.

02:40:24.000 Yeah.

02:40:24.000 Bugling elk and arrows.

02:40:26.000 And bears and cool stuff.

02:40:28.000 Cool stuff.

02:40:29.000 Yeah.

02:40:30.000 Mountains.

02:40:30.000 Yeah.

02:40:31.000 Dude.

02:40:31.000 Listen, man, this has been a really fun podcast.

02:40:33.000 I enjoyed it very much.

02:40:34.000 Thanks for having me.

02:40:35.000 We've got to do this again.

02:40:36.000 Yeah, definitely.

02:40:36.000 For sure.

02:40:36.000 Thank you.

02:40:37.000 And keep me posted on this reality show and keep us posted.

02:40:40.000 And if it actually does come off, we will promote the hell out of it, man.

02:40:43.000 Promise.

02:40:43.000 All right.

02:40:44.000 Absolutely.

02:40:45.000 So if anybody wants to find Cameron online, it's Cameron Haynes on Twitter, but he don't use that.

02:40:50.000 So you got to find him on Facebook.

02:40:52.000 He uses Facebook, but Facebook goes straight to Twitter.

02:40:55.000 Yeah.

02:40:55.000 It's one of those, you don't even know your Twitter password, do you?

02:40:58.000 It's somehow magic, yeah.

02:41:00.000 Somehow a magic connection.

02:41:02.000 I had my buddy Colin set that up for me.

02:41:05.000 Well, they can probably reset it.

02:41:07.000 I'm sure they can reset it for you.

02:41:08.000 Yeah.

02:41:09.000 But you should get on Twitter too, man.

02:41:10.000 Twitter is a great resource.

02:41:13.000 I'm on Instagram also.

02:41:14.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:41:15.000 And great photos on Instagram, by the way.

02:41:16.000 You put a lot of cool stuff on Instagram.

02:41:18.000 Very inspirational.

02:41:19.000 Thank you.

02:41:20.000 You're an inspirational guy.

02:41:21.000 I love your story.

02:41:22.000 I love your ethic.

02:41:24.000 I love what you're...

02:41:25.000 The philosophy that you take in this life, and I really truly believe what I said, that what you do is inspirational and it creates action.

02:41:36.000 That inspiration, it makes people do things.

02:41:39.000 It gives them the energy and the enthusiasm to go out and accomplish things on their own.

02:41:44.000 And I think that's what life is all about, really.

02:41:46.000 We're all in this together.

02:41:48.000 And I think that we all benefit from each other.

02:41:51.000 We benefit from fine examples of other human beings.

02:41:53.000 And I think you're an excellent example of a human being.

02:41:56.000 Oh, thank you.

02:41:56.000 And it's an honor to meet you, sir.

02:41:58.000 Oh, thanks for having me, Joe.

02:41:59.000 Thanks.

02:41:59.000 And let us know.

02:42:00.000 And when you're doing a show on the Outdoor Channel, what is it?

02:42:04.000 Well, I've been on Team Elk.

02:42:05.000 Team Elk?

02:42:06.000 That's where I've been appearing.

02:42:07.000 But I've had a number of people approach me about doing my own show.

02:42:12.000 And so just trying to get that hammered out in addition to these reality shows that want some...

02:42:19.000 We're good to go.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - February 07, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #450 - Cameron Hanes

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