The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #454 - War Machine

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00:05:12.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Powerful War Machine. 1.00

00:05:15.000 What's up, buddy?

00:05:16.000 How are you, man?

00:05:16.000 Good, man.

00:05:17.000 Happy to have you, man.

00:05:17.000 Happy to be here.

00:05:18.000 You and I have been friends for a long time.

00:05:20.000 Know you from when you first entered into the UFC and all through your various legal difficulties and troubles.

00:05:28.000 We've always remained friendly.

00:05:29.000 So I was happy to have you on here, man, and sit down and talk to you.

00:05:32.000 And I think people have a fucked up opinion of you.

00:05:35.000 It's hard to form an opinion on someone based on them getting arrested, based on internet battles.

00:05:40.000 You know what, man?

00:05:41.000 I get it all the time.

00:05:42.000 I get it.

00:05:43.000 Where I'll be out somewhere at an after-fight party and meeting people, and they'll be like, hey, you know what, man?

00:05:48.000 Like, I feel bad, man.

00:05:50.000 I'm one of those guys that always talks shit about you online.

00:05:52.000 And tonight I feel guilty.

00:05:54.000 And I'm like, I don't worry about it.

00:05:55.000 Or just right now, I'm training towards Jim.

00:05:57.000 And the new coach over there is Robert Follis.

00:06:00.000 And I had never met him before.

00:06:02.000 He's a great guy.

00:06:02.000 Yeah, now I like him.

00:06:03.000 But when I first got there, before I was coming, someone said, hey, War Machine's going to start coming.

00:06:07.000 He's like, oh, well, we'll see about that.

00:06:09.000 I'll give him a trial run.

00:06:11.000 Because he believed the rumors.

00:06:12.000 And he met me now every day.

00:06:14.000 He's like, I'm so glad to have you here, man.

00:06:15.000 You train hard.

00:06:16.000 You're a good guy.

00:06:17.000 But he doesn't know that I know that he's not like me.

00:06:20.000 But I get a lot of flack for my shenanigans.

00:06:23.000 And it's because it's blown out of proportion a lot, I think.

00:06:26.000 Well, it's definitely, there's some of it's blown out of proportion.

00:06:28.000 But then, you know, you actually did some shit.

00:06:31.000 You did wind up going to jail for beating the fuck out of some people.

00:06:34.000 You got a little crazy a few times.

00:06:35.000 But I mean, that's normal human stuff, you know?

00:06:37.000 Like, everyone gets in fights.

00:06:37.000 Yeah.

00:06:39.000 I mean, I'm driving here today, and an old lady was flipping me off on the side, you know, cutting me off. 1.00

00:06:44.000 You know, people are violent, you know.

00:06:47.000 It's a natural thing to get in a fight, you know.

00:06:47.000 It does happen.

00:06:49.000 It does happen, but what I'm saying is, like, it's not just, you definitely are a good marketer.

00:06:55.000 You definitely put your shenanigans out there to get people excited about it.

00:06:58.000 And a lot of talk.

00:06:59.000 I mean, it works.

00:07:00.000 There's a lot of, I mean, your Twitter feed's very active, you know, whether it's people hating on you or not.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, I have no filter, you know.

00:07:07.000 And it works good.

00:07:08.000 Like, people know who I am.

00:07:09.000 I have a fan who fans gives it, but also I'm kind of on the black edge, you know what I mean?

00:07:13.000 From people who won't touch me.

00:07:15.000 Yeah, I'm sure like sponsors and stuff.

00:07:17.000 Yeah, that.

00:07:18.000 If I was in the UFC right now, I'd be fired every day.

00:07:21.000 Probably, yeah.

00:07:22.000 I was thinking that when I saw your blowjob tweet.

00:07:24.000 I was like, I don't think they would let you get away with that.

00:07:27.000 I'd be fired every single day.

00:07:28.000 Why not, really, in my opinion?

00:07:30.000 Who cares?

00:07:31.000 As long as you're not hurting anybody.

00:07:32.000 It's one thing we were also talking before the show started about Tiago Silva.

00:07:37.000 And you had a really good point.

00:07:39.000 You're like, Tiago Silva should have never left Brazil because you could act like that down in Brazil.

00:07:43.000 Well, you know what?

00:07:44.000 No, here's the way I see it.

00:07:45.000 Bring a man from 1930s, not a criminal, a regular guy, a lawful citizen, and let him live today, guess what?

00:07:53.000 He's going to go to jail.

00:07:54.000 Because there's so many strict laws now and everything's different.

00:07:57.000 So you can't be raised with one set of morals and guidelines and then come live now when you can't do anything.

00:08:03.000 And we don't want to give the wrong impression about Brazil because I love Brazil and I'm a huge fan of Brazil.

00:08:08.000 I think Rio is like one of the greatest cities in the world.

00:08:10.000 Florianopoulos.

00:08:10.000 But I've never been.

00:08:12.000 But the bottom line is Brazilian people, they're more relaxed about the way they do business.

00:08:20.000 They're more relaxed about the, I mean, they're very aggressive men, too.

00:08:23.000 I mean, there's a reason why the UFC and MMA, like all of it originated, you know, Valley Tudo originated out of Brazil.

00:08:30.000 Sure, there was fights going on all over the world.

00:08:32.000 There always has been.

00:08:34.000 But Brazil has a very special relationship with violence.

00:08:37.000 Yeah, it's a third world country.

00:08:38.000 Yeah.

00:08:39.000 So, I mean, the problem.

00:08:40.000 I don't know if it is anymore.

00:08:41.000 No, the economy of Brazil has boomed so much over the last decade.

00:08:46.000 Apparently, they've discovered oil offshore in Brazil.

00:08:49.000 And, yeah, and there's a bunch of other economic factors that have led their economy is very strong right now.

00:08:54.000 It's actually, they're probably, you know, they're probably one of the biggest growth countries over the past few years.

00:09:00.000 But I just know that the United States is maybe the strictest country on violence.

00:09:05.000 Like, fights.

00:09:06.000 When I was in England, people were getting in bar fights and the cops came and broke it up.

00:09:11.000 No one went to jail.

00:09:12.000 It was like, oh, Paul Daly, what do you beat that guy up?

00:09:14.000 And he got, what happened to him?

00:09:15.000 He's not in jail.

00:09:16.000 Right.

00:09:16.000 I went to jail.

00:09:17.000 Who did Paul Daly beat up?

00:09:19.000 Some guy in a bar fight.

00:09:20.000 Remember?

00:09:20.000 Remember, he lost his visa.

00:09:21.000 He couldn't fight in Bellator.

00:09:22.000 Oh, I didn't know.

00:09:23.000 That's why he lost his visa.

00:09:25.000 And me, like, I got in a bar fight with a 300-pound guy a year in jail, both times, you know?

00:09:30.000 It wasn't his first offense.

00:09:31.000 He had multiple offenses and no jail time, you know?

00:09:34.000 Well, you know, they look at you.

00:09:35.000 You got a hand grenade tattooed on your neck.

00:09:37.000 You know, you got...

00:09:37.000 Yeah.

00:09:39.000 What does it say?

00:09:40.000 Oh, DGAF.

00:09:41.000 Don't give a fuck.

00:09:42.000 I mean, come on, man.

00:09:45.000 If I didn't know you, I would assume, like, dad, this guy's a pain.

00:09:47.000 Hey, but if you watch on YouTube the first case, it's on the surveillance camera's there.

00:09:53.000 My best friend's a Navy SEAL.

00:09:54.000 He starts the whole fight.

00:09:56.000 He beats up everybody.

00:09:57.000 I don't jump in until he gets jumped.

00:09:59.000 And I'm the only one that even got arrested.

00:10:01.000 So you got arrested just because it would make publicity and things?

00:10:04.000 I think because, all right, are we going to charge a Navy SEAL that just won a bronze star or this wild maniac war machine who did porn and got kicked out of the U.C.?

00:10:11.000 And that's don't give a fuck tattoo.

00:10:13.000 So like, they're not going to get the war hero.

00:10:13.000 Yeah, you know.

00:10:15.000 My friend's mom was like, hey, Ryan, how come John is going to jail?

00:10:19.000 You did everything.

00:10:19.000 That's not fair.

00:10:20.000 And Ryan's like, we don't know.

00:10:23.000 It happens, you know?

00:10:23.000 Whatever.

00:10:25.000 Well, listen, man, you know as well as I know, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, anything can happen.

00:10:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:30.000 And that's why I don't go out anymore, dude, period.

00:10:31.000 Smart.

00:10:32.000 I can't risk it.

00:10:32.000 I can't.

00:10:33.000 It is smart.

00:10:34.000 And we're also not trying to make light of what happened with Tiago Silva.

00:10:37.000 I don't know the specifics.

00:10:38.000 I don't know the rules.

00:10:40.000 I mean, or rather the facts.

00:10:40.000 I don't know.

00:10:42.000 I don't know if he had a weapon.

00:10:43.000 I don't know what the fuck happened.

00:10:45.000 I know a bunch of different rumors.

00:10:46.000 Yeah.

00:10:47.000 But I like that guy.

00:10:48.000 The way he fights.

00:10:50.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:10:51.000 He's a dangerous dude.

00:10:52.000 He's tough.

00:10:53.000 I know the one thing for sure was that a woman was involved.

00:10:53.000 You know what, though?

00:10:56.000 And people go crazy when their wife, women is involved. 0.86

00:10:59.000 So anyone is susceptible to going crazy when the woman that love is involved.

00:11:05.000 It doesn't excuse it, but who knows what happened?

00:11:07.000 Who knows?

00:11:08.000 Yeah, apparently it's his ex-wife, and I don't know what the story was, but apparently there was an armed standoff. 0.98

00:11:14.000 That was what the papers and all the press was reporting.

00:11:16.000 I don't know if there was really weapons involved.

00:11:18.000 I really have no idea.

00:11:19.000 But it sucks.

00:11:20.000 That guy's gone now.

00:11:22.000 He was a great fighter.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, and the UFC's he's never going to fight in the UFC again.

00:11:27.000 And it sucks more for the, if whatever he did actually happened, it sucks way more for the people that were his victims, of course.

00:11:34.000 But it just sucks that a guy like that can't keep it together.

00:11:37.000 Especially if you're a fan of the sport and you like watching him fight.

00:11:41.000 You always knew you're going to have a fun fight with that guy who was in there.

00:11:44.000 I enjoyed watching him.

00:11:45.000 I was a fan of him.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, but your point about a guy like that growing up in Brazil, growing up kind of wild, coming over here and everybody's so conservative.

00:11:55.000 So many laws and so much button down on behavior.

00:11:58.000 You're right about England too, man.

00:12:00.000 Doug Stanhope has a whole bit about it.

00:12:02.000 A lot of countries, man.

00:12:03.000 I mean, a lot of countries, a fight, as long as it's one-on-one, hey, that's cool.

00:12:08.000 Nothing can happen.

00:12:09.000 But America is strict.

00:12:10.000 It's no joke with that stuff.

00:12:12.000 Yeah, it's rare that you hear about UFC fighters getting in fights, though.

00:12:14.000 If you look at it, it's really pretty amazing in comparison.

00:12:18.000 Like, you know, Bader Hari, that motherfucker's always getting in trouble, which is another terrible situation because he's one of the most exciting kickboxers on the planet.

00:12:28.000 Love watching that guy fight, but he's always in trouble.

00:12:31.000 He had to go to Morocco for a while and hide.

00:12:34.000 And then he came back and he had to deal with his issue.

00:12:36.000 And then a new issue came up.

00:12:38.000 Some dude got his leg stomped at a club. 0.94

00:12:40.000 You know what?

00:12:41.000 I think it happens more than we think.

00:12:43.000 I think that people don't, they just get lucky to get away with it.

00:12:46.000 I'm the worst because I have tattoos, too many tattoos.

00:12:49.000 I'm screwed.

00:12:49.000 Is that what it is?

00:12:50.000 Yeah, because they're like, oh, so what happened?

00:12:52.000 There was a fight.

00:12:52.000 A guy had a grenade on his neck.

00:12:54.000 Oh, let's punch that into the computer.

00:12:55.000 You know, I'm screwed.

00:12:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:57.000 It doesn't even matter.

00:12:58.000 You know, but someone else maybe no tattoos.

00:13:02.000 It was a white guy who was kind of most, I don't know, unless you recognized him, you know?

00:13:06.000 Yeah, well, I'm glad you're deciding to stay in now.

00:13:09.000 Keep away.

00:13:09.000 I have to.

00:13:10.000 Jail sucks, dude.

00:13:11.000 I'm sure, dude.

00:13:12.000 Two years ago, I was in the hole.

00:13:14.000 it was boring.

00:13:15.000 Did they put you in solitary?

00:13:16.000 Well, the first year I did my first six months was in the regular, and then after that, I got an argument with a sergeant.

00:13:23.000 And then one of the cops said, hey, man, that guy's a UFC fighter, whatever.

00:13:26.000 So, well, he shouldn't be in your population.

00:13:28.000 They put me in the hole the last six months.

00:13:30.000 What?

00:13:31.000 Just because you're a UFC fighter?

00:13:32.000 They're saying, like, well, how come I know that he could have, what if you would have attacked me or another inmate?

00:13:36.000 So they put me in the hole.

00:13:37.000 Then the second year when I went to jail, the whole year in Vegas, I was in the hole the whole time because they already knew who I was and they just stuck me in there.

00:13:43.000 Wow, for how long were you in the hole?

00:13:45.000 The whole year, the second.

00:13:46.000 A whole year by yourself.

00:13:48.000 Which, you know what?

00:13:48.000 It sounds bad, but it's kind of better because there's no chance to get in trouble.

00:13:54.000 For me, at least.

00:13:55.000 You know, I don't know.

00:13:55.000 Like, after a whole year, you know, you get aggravated one day, and then there's those guys in there are fake tough guys, and they want to be jerks, and there's always little politics.

00:14:04.000 You get in one little fight, and next thing you know, I'm back in jail for who knows how long, you know.

00:14:08.000 Especially depending upon what happens to the guy.

00:14:10.000 Yeah, because I mean, I was in jail in San Diego when I was in the mainline still, and these guys are playing chess for push-ups.

00:14:17.000 And it was a little Asian guy from, he was actually from Burma.

00:14:21.000 Nice old man.

00:14:22.000 He was only in there because he had a wife and three kids, and a tow truck driver was towing his car.

00:14:28.000 And he was like, no, no, no, no.

00:14:29.000 Trying to stop him from tow the car.

00:14:30.000 He pushed the driver, so they put him in jail for assault, right?

00:14:33.000 Wow.

00:14:33.000 He was in there.

00:14:34.000 He's playing chess with another guy, and they bet 100 push-ups.

00:14:38.000 The Burmese guy, he won.

00:14:39.000 And he goes, oh, you push-ups.

00:14:40.000 You only push-ups.

00:14:41.000 And the guy's like, no, I ain't doing shit.

00:14:43.000 And like, oh, no, it's not fair.

00:14:45.000 And the next thing you know, like, what?

00:14:46.000 What are you going to do?

00:14:47.000 And he starts punching the Burmese guy.

00:14:48.000 He hit him like three or four times.

00:14:50.000 And the guy was like, he closed his eyes, one overhand right, knocked the guy out.

00:14:56.000 The guy died.

00:14:57.000 The guy fell down, hit his head.

00:14:59.000 They charged him with murder.

00:15:00.000 And it's on camera.

00:15:01.000 Like, you know damn well that was self-defense.

00:15:02.000 They charged him with murder.

00:15:04.000 I don't know what happened to that guy.

00:15:04.000 He was in...

00:15:10.000 He was the nicest old, like, he was probably like 45, such a nice guy.

00:15:14.000 That's a sad, sad story.

00:15:15.000 Yeah, you know, and like.

00:15:16.000 And you know that that could happen.

00:15:18.000 And then he's Buddhist, so he's brainwashed. 0.99

00:15:21.000 This is my karma.

00:15:22.000 It's okay.

00:15:22.000 This is the plan for God.

00:15:23.000 Accepting it.

00:15:25.000 I'm like, man, this is bullshit, man.

00:15:26.000 Like, I felt so bad.

00:15:28.000 I made me want to cry.

00:15:29.000 I felt bad for that guy.

00:15:30.000 Yeah, there should be room in the system for reason, like, with a guy like that.

00:15:34.000 It should be a guy like that.

00:15:35.000 You should be able to pull that guy aside and go, tell me what happened, man.

00:15:39.000 What's your version of the story?

00:15:40.000 And they should be like, just no, look, just don't do this again, and we're cool.

00:15:43.000 Just don't hit anybody.

00:15:44.000 You know, just call the authorities if you have to.

00:15:47.000 Don't touch people.

00:15:48.000 And the guy would probably be like, it'll never happen again.

00:15:50.000 And then you're good.

00:15:51.000 You don't have to put a guy like that in a cage.

00:15:53.000 Well, you know, I was reading all these surveys and stuff in jail articles, but they were saying that we have more people in jail than any country by far.

00:16:03.000 By far.

00:16:04.000 Like, we incarcerate people five times more than England, and they're in second place.

00:16:08.000 We have more prisoners in California than the whole country of Canada.

00:16:11.000 And the crime rates are the same.

00:16:12.000 So why is everyone in jail?

00:16:13.000 I don't understand.

00:16:14.000 It's a business, but.

00:16:15.000 Well, that is the thing.

00:16:16.000 It is a business.

00:16:17.000 That's a crazy thing to admit.

00:16:18.000 It's a crazy thing to talk about because most people, it sounds so unreasonable, it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

00:16:23.000 It sounds like you're saying that fucking George Bush planned 9-11.

00:16:26.000 It almost sounds the same thing.

00:16:27.000 The prisons, they make profit off of putting people in jail.

00:16:29.000 You know what, dude?

00:16:30.000 You know what they charge me for a stamped envelope?

00:16:32.000 It was like, what, 89 cents for a stamped envelope?

00:16:36.000 Dude, it stamps 44 cents.

00:16:38.000 And how much is an envelope?

00:16:39.000 They're taxed you on everything.

00:16:40.000 Everything's taxed.

00:16:41.000 It's like selling drugs, better than drugs.

00:16:43.000 Well, that's just what's going on for that.

00:16:45.000 But the private prisons are getting paid.

00:16:48.000 They get paid by the government.

00:16:49.000 By the government.

00:16:50.000 The amount of prisoners that they have is directly proportionate to what they get paid.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, and then I was reading.

00:16:55.000 That's crazy.

00:16:56.000 I was reading all these stats, right?

00:16:58.000 So they said, okay, a year in jail costs to the state $55,000 or something dollars to house you for a year, right?

00:17:04.000 A year in, what's called house arrest?

00:17:07.000 Costs the state $5,000.

00:17:10.000 House arrest, you're half as likely to reset it to do a new crime, all right?

00:17:15.000 So they know that.

00:17:16.000 It's a fact.

00:17:17.000 So why wouldn't you put the guy on house arrest if it's only for a year and save space in jail, you know?

00:17:21.000 Because you know what happens is that a year in jail, it's like, only it's only a year.

00:17:24.000 Yeah, but guess what?

00:17:25.000 You lost your job.

00:17:26.000 You lost your credit.

00:17:26.000 You lost your house.

00:17:28.000 You lost your car.

00:17:29.000 So you come out with nothing.

00:17:30.000 And then you're, all right, man, I want to do good, but I'm going to do one more crime to get some money and then I'll be straight again.

00:17:36.000 But when you're on house arrest, it's like a year, it's still jail.

00:17:40.000 You can't do nothing fun.

00:17:41.000 Jail to work.

00:17:42.000 Or, you know, home to work, home to work.

00:17:44.000 But at the end of that year, you didn't lose your credit.

00:17:47.000 You didn't lose your house.

00:17:47.000 You didn't lose your car.

00:17:48.000 So you're like, fuck, I don't want to get in trouble again.

00:17:51.000 But you don't have to start from zero.

00:17:52.000 You're still where you were, you know?

00:17:54.000 Right, but the government doesn't get paid when you're under house arrest.

00:17:56.000 That's the debt.

00:17:56.000 It's $25,000, you know, instead of $55,000.

00:17:59.000 But it should work on what works better, you know?

00:18:02.000 I don't know, man.

00:18:04.000 It was a jacked-up system when I was in there.

00:18:06.000 Well, it's a for-profit system.

00:18:08.000 And any for-profit system becomes an organism, and organisms protect themselves, and that's what they do.

00:18:13.000 I mean, when you find out that prison guards lobby, and they have prison guard unions, and they lobby to make sure that certain drug laws are in place, they want certain drug laws in place to ensure that there's a certain amount of prisoners.

00:18:23.000 That's crazy, man.

00:18:24.000 That's slavery. 0.99

00:18:26.000 That is fucking slavery.

00:18:27.000 And just like the same thing, all across the inner cities, they're canceling after-school programs and all this stuff.

00:18:27.000 It is, dude.

00:18:34.000 And they're building more juvenile halls.

00:18:36.000 What?

00:18:37.000 That's a coincidence?

00:18:38.000 No.

00:18:38.000 So you're going to fucking, these inner city kids, they're going to gangbang or they're going to play sports.

00:18:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:45.000 You hear the stories of these kids.

00:18:46.000 Well, I play sports to stay out of trouble.

00:18:48.000 Well, now there's no sports.

00:18:49.000 Well, now I'm going to gangbang.

00:18:50.000 Now there's more juvenile halls.

00:18:51.000 And they want that.

00:18:52.000 It's fucked up, man.

00:18:53.000 You're right.

00:18:54.000 If you were trying to follow a conspiracy, that would be the exact correct thing to do to make sure there's more crime.

00:18:59.000 If you were going to try to prevent crime and save lives, you would do the exact opposite thing.

00:19:04.000 You wouldn't spend the money on juvenile halls.

00:19:05.000 You'd spend it on community centers.

00:19:06.000 You'd spend it on counselors, spend it on people.

00:19:09.000 Look, you know, I saw your story on Bellator about your father dying when you were young.

00:19:15.000 And I grew up without my dad.

00:19:17.000 I haven't spoken to my dad since I was seven.

00:19:20.000 And I think that a lot of young men, especially, growing up without any sort of a father figure can get into a fuckload of trouble.

00:19:29.000 You can get so distorted and twisted.

00:19:32.000 It's like one of the easiest ways for a young man to grow up fucked up, is to not have an example.

00:19:38.000 For sure.

00:19:38.000 We, somehow or another, we need, we like identify and we sort of like, we connect with these examples, positive examples or negative examples.

00:19:48.000 And there's also the issue that a lot of people deal with where, you know, yeah, they're fucked up.

00:19:53.000 Yeah, they're in trouble.

00:19:54.000 Yeah, but they grew up in a piece of shit household.

00:19:57.000 They grew up with an asshole for a dad.

00:19:59.000 We're not all starting from scratch.

00:20:01.000 Like everybody's not starting on the same level.

00:20:03.000 Some people start the game at a fucking home base.

00:20:06.000 They're already done.

00:20:07.000 They're one.

00:20:08.000 Their parents are rich.

00:20:09.000 Everyone's friendly.

00:20:10.000 And some people, from the jump, your life is challenged.

00:20:10.000 They're done.

00:20:14.000 From the jump, there's food, there's poverty, there's assault, there's all sorts of shit that you're dealing with in your house on a regular basis.

00:20:21.000 Like, you know, people say that, you know, I'm a maniac, right?

00:20:24.000 And I'm more out there than most people, but like, I mean, I don't like to complain about my life, but I turn out pretty good for considering, you know what I mean?

00:20:32.000 And if it wasn't for me finding an outlet in like weightlifting and sports and all that stuff, I would have been a maniac.

00:20:40.000 Well, for sure, you know?

00:20:41.000 Yeah, I mean, you went through a lot of crazy shit for sure, but you've always been a good dude to talk to.

00:20:48.000 And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on the podcast because that's where I think that people get the wrong impression of you.

00:20:53.000 It's like a lot of people in the same circumstances of you would have turned out even worse.

00:21:00.000 And that's the reality of life.

00:21:03.000 We don't start off in the same place.

00:21:05.000 We don't.

00:21:06.000 I was actually on a pretty good track.

00:21:06.000 And you know what?

00:21:08.000 My dad died when I was 13, right?

00:21:09.000 I gave him CPR.

00:21:10.000 He died, right?

00:21:11.000 So I went to live with my mom.

00:21:12.000 And she's a drug addict. 1.00

00:21:13.000 And my stepdad's a drug addict, the losers, right?

00:21:15.000 It was a mess.

00:21:16.000 And I had no rules, man.

00:21:17.000 I could do anything I wanted.

00:21:18.000 No rules.

00:21:19.000 But I found a gym I went to.

00:21:21.000 It was a little hole in the wall of gyms called Mapes Gym in Scene Valley.

00:21:24.000 That's where I grew up.

00:21:25.000 But it was all like cops and firefighters and ex-military.

00:21:28.000 And there's this old crusty Navy SEAL.

00:21:30.000 His name is Jim Taylor.

00:21:31.000 He was like 55, ex-Vietnam guy, right?

00:21:34.000 And he became kind of like my dad.

00:21:36.000 So I mean, I was, I wish I had pictures when I was in, I was jacked when I was a kid, bro.

00:21:40.000 Like, I was like this in high school.

00:21:42.000 I looted the weights and I played sports.

00:21:43.000 I had all A's and B's.

00:21:45.000 You know, I didn't get injured.

00:21:46.000 I got in fights, but that was it.

00:21:47.000 All good grades, wrestled, all these sports.

00:21:51.000 I wanted to be a Navy SEAL.

00:21:51.000 I went to the Citadel for college.

00:21:53.000 I was a biology major.

00:21:54.000 And, you know, I was doing, I did everything good.

00:21:56.000 You know, I sucked it up.

00:21:57.000 I did everything right.

00:21:58.000 And then after my sophomore year, I go to the guidance counselor's office and they're like, hey, you owe us $15,000 from this year.

00:22:07.000 I was like, wow.

00:22:08.000 My mom gets my dad's pension.

00:22:09.000 He was a cop.

00:22:10.000 They get the money every month.

00:22:12.000 Turns out my mom spent all the money on drugs. 1.00

00:22:14.000 They spent it on drugs and my stepdad's attorney because he did a fraud case, right?

00:22:18.000 So they said, hey, they said, well, the Navy wanted to give me a scholarship for my last two years and commission me afterwards.

00:22:24.000 But they weren't going to backpay what I already owe, the 15 grand, right?

00:22:27.000 So they said, either you got to pay this or we got to freeze your credits.

00:22:31.000 And I couldn't even transfer my credits.

00:22:33.000 So then I went into meltdown psycho mode because I mean, I sucked it up all that time and like didn't drink, didn't do drugs, trained, did community service, all this stuff, good grades.

00:22:45.000 And I went home, dude, and I beat my stepdad almost to death.

00:22:47.000 I almost killed him.

00:22:48.000 I beat him bad.

00:22:49.000 Like there's blood on the ceiling.

00:22:50.000 I smashed him so bad.

00:22:51.000 Oh, wow.

00:22:51.000 And then I got arrested for like mayhem attempt to murder all this stuff because I beat him so bad.

00:22:57.000 But I told the cop straight up.

00:22:59.000 I said, hey, man, I said, I told him this truth.

00:23:01.000 My dad was an LAPD cop.

00:23:02.000 I said, he died when I was 13.

00:23:04.000 I said, I freaking busted my ass, went to a military college, a citadel.

00:23:08.000 I have all A's and B's, biology major.

00:23:10.000 These fuckers spent my dad's money on drugs. 0.82

00:23:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:12.000 I came home and I asked him why he did it.

00:23:15.000 And we got in a fight.

00:23:16.000 And I said, I couldn't stop hitting them.

00:23:18.000 That's what happened, you know?

00:23:19.000 And the cop goes, eh, sounds like self-defense to me.

00:23:21.000 Save my ass.

00:23:22.000 I would have been fucked.

00:23:23.000 Well, you were 17?

00:23:24.000 Then I was 20.

00:23:25.000 You were 20 at the time?

00:23:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:23:28.000 When you went to college, you were 17 or 18?

00:23:31.000 I was 18 when I went freshman year.

00:23:32.000 So were you staying at home during this time or were you in South Carolina at college?

00:23:37.000 I'll come back this summers.

00:23:38.000 So they were out here?

00:23:39.000 Yeah, they were out here in the Scene Valley.

00:23:41.000 So you had no idea that they were spending your money.

00:23:43.000 You thought they were paying for the tuition?

00:23:44.000 Yeah, because the first year what happened was when I was, my dad died, we all got his money every month after that when we were kids.

00:23:49.000 When I turned 18, he came in my name.

00:23:51.000 So my freshman year, I paid the bills.

00:23:53.000 But it's a base.

00:23:54.000 It's like a college, but it's a base.

00:23:56.000 You can't really, it's hard to handle the bills.

00:23:58.000 So I said, hey, mom, I'm going to put it back into your name.

00:24:00.000 Just pay it, you know, just send the check every month.

00:24:03.000 And yeah, she fucked me over. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

00:24:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:05.000 So I got out.

00:24:06.000 So I was so pissed, dude.

00:24:08.000 I just went berserk mode.

00:24:10.000 I beat him up, got in trouble.

00:24:11.000 Then that's when I packed my bags.

00:24:12.000 I moved to San Diego.

00:24:14.000 I went to the Lions then.

00:24:16.000 I said, hey, Ken, I said, I want to try out for your guys' team.

00:24:19.000 He's like, who are you?

00:24:21.000 I heard they had tryouts.

00:24:22.000 That was like the Tony Galindo days.

00:24:24.000 Yeah.

00:24:24.000 Tony run it?

00:24:25.000 Yeah.

00:24:25.000 Well, Ken was there, Tony, Vernon White, all those guys.

00:24:28.000 They said, well, the next tryout is not for three months.

00:24:30.000 So I got a job.

00:24:31.000 Actually, I got a job at a strip club, pure platinum with a fake ID.

00:24:34.000 I was only 20.

00:24:35.000 And I had a 21-year-old ID.

00:24:36.000 I got a job.

00:24:36.000 I was bouncing at a strip club, and I was just going to balleys and running and lifting weights.

00:24:40.000 I didn't know really how to train, really.

00:24:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:43.000 And I went and tried out for the team and I made the team.

00:24:45.000 And that's how I started fighting, really.

00:24:46.000 Wow.

00:24:47.000 That's crazy.

00:24:48.000 So you basically, you were an angry dude, but you were keeping it together and trying to do good and trying to stay positive.

00:24:53.000 And this one event sent you into this fucking crazy spiral.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, because that happened.

00:24:59.000 And then actually, when I first got home, I still sucked it up.

00:25:03.000 I didn't beat him up yet.

00:25:04.000 I got home and I was just like furious and I was like trying to figure out a solution, right?

00:25:09.000 And actually, my brother's PO, was he was on probation for weed, my little brother.

00:25:14.000 He came to the house and he's like, hey, we're sharing a room because I want to ask you some questions.

00:25:19.000 He's like, is this yours?

00:25:20.000 Is this his?

00:25:20.000 I was like, that's mine.

00:25:21.000 And there was like a plate with a knife on it, like a kitchen plate.

00:25:21.000 That's mine.

00:25:24.000 He said, who's this?

00:25:25.000 And I said, I'm a dude.

00:25:27.000 Somebody was eating, dude.

00:25:28.000 I was like, it's mine.

00:25:28.000 It's not a knife.

00:25:29.000 He goes, all right.

00:25:29.000 I was eating.

00:25:30.000 And the cop goes, you kind of have an attitude.

00:25:33.000 I said, yeah, man, I do, because I don't really want to talk to you right now.

00:25:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:37.000 Yeah.

00:25:37.000 In your house?

00:25:38.000 I'm not in probation.

00:25:38.000 What do you guys want?

00:25:39.000 My brother is.

00:25:39.000 He goes, you know what?

00:25:40.000 I'm going to search you.

00:25:40.000 I was like, nah, no, you're not.

00:25:42.000 He's like, yeah, I am.

00:25:43.000 I was like, they're not searching me, bro.

00:25:44.000 And he grabbed me by the wrist and I pulled my wrist back.

00:25:46.000 And all four jumped on me.

00:25:48.000 They jumped on me, bro.

00:25:49.000 And I was like holding my hands together.

00:25:51.000 And they couldn't get me down.

00:25:52.000 They were pissed.

00:25:53.000 I was jacked and I was strong.

00:25:54.000 I could wrestle too, you know?

00:25:55.000 And they're like, get down, get down, get down.

00:25:57.000 And I was like, are you guys fucking serious?

00:26:02.000 But the other fucking pussies, and they're like, they're fucking bitch. 1.00

00:26:05.000 So you were just clinching your hands and dropping your way down.

00:26:09.000 They were fucking freaking out.

00:26:09.000 And they couldn't get me.

00:26:10.000 And I was like, it was wood floor and it was slippery.

00:26:13.000 That's the takedown defense, man.

00:26:15.000 Poor dudes.

00:26:16.000 Even if they suck at wrestling, man.

00:26:17.000 Because they're counteracting each other.

00:26:19.000 They're stupid.

00:26:20.000 You know, they're like, you know what I mean?

00:26:21.000 They're helping me, really.

00:26:23.000 So I finally, funny, I slipped, dude.

00:26:26.000 And I was like, all right, you can have me.

00:26:29.000 You want a fucker? 1.00

00:26:30.000 They cuffed me and they, and then they beat the fuck out of me, dude.

00:26:32.000 Once they cuffed you.

00:26:33.000 Oh, they beat the shit.

00:26:33.000 My mom was like, what are you guys doing?

00:26:36.000 That's Jonathan, not Michael.

00:26:37.000 And they knew I wasn't.

00:26:38.000 And then, so I still think nothing's going to happen.

00:26:40.000 They're going to let me go, right?

00:26:42.000 Fuck no.

00:26:43.000 They arrested me for assault, two counts of assault on a police officer, resisting arrest.

00:26:48.000 Their story was that I came downstairs and said, I'm Michael.

00:26:52.000 And the PO knows my brother.

00:26:54.000 They lied, right?

00:26:55.000 So they scared me.

00:26:56.000 They scared me.

00:26:58.000 Then the DA goes, oh, we'll just plead guilty either a misdemeanor or resisting your arrest.

00:27:01.000 Nothing will happen.

00:27:02.000 I said, fine, I'll fuck you. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Whatever.

00:27:04.000 And then I get home, and then I was just like, what the gonna explain?

00:27:04.000 I did it.

00:27:08.000 And the whole time, my dad was a cop.

00:27:09.000 I was raised Republican.

00:27:11.000 Government's good.

00:27:11.000 Cops are good.

00:27:12.000 I wanted to be a Navy SEAL.

00:27:14.000 I love the country.

00:27:15.000 I said, I never believe stories.

00:27:17.000 The cops fuck you up.

00:27:18.000 I thought my dad said, that's a lie.

00:27:19.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:20.000 That's a lie.

00:27:20.000 The cops are the good guys.

00:27:22.000 My whole life was flipped upside down.

00:27:24.000 I said, fuck this.

00:27:25.000 And I just beat my stepdad's ass.

00:27:26.000 That's when I finally beat his ass, dude.

00:27:30.000 So it was the cops.

00:27:32.000 It was dirty cops that forced you to beat your stepdad's ass.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, then that right there changed me.

00:27:37.000 If I knew myself as a kid, I would hate myself.

00:27:39.000 I'd be like, Morris is a piece of shit.

00:27:41.000 He's anti-American.

00:27:42.000 I was so down for the country, down for cops, down for Republicans.

00:27:46.000 So if you knew yourself when you were 18 years old, if you knew yourself of today, you would be a war machine hater.

00:27:53.000 I would hate me.

00:27:54.000 Wow, that's a piece of shit.

00:27:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:27:56.000 Wow.

00:27:56.000 So I totally changed my whole thing.

00:27:58.000 But isn't that incredible that just a few events like that can, especially when you're a young man, can just steer your life in one way or another.

00:28:06.000 Can steer you down a road.

00:28:08.000 Like if you had never put that money in your mom's name and you continued paying your bills and you dealt with all your tuition, who knows you would have probably been a fucking war hero or something.

00:28:17.000 You'd probably be Brian Stan, you know, one of those characters.

00:28:20.000 I'd be super brainwashed if I was.

00:28:22.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:28:24.000 I mean, you know, as you get older, you're smart.

00:28:28.000 You're not a dumb dude.

00:28:28.000 You would start questioning shit.

00:28:30.000 My two best friends are SEALs.

00:28:32.000 They just got out.

00:28:32.000 But they question, you know what I mean?

00:28:35.000 Like they're not the same how when they came in, now they're like, it's kind of bullshit.

00:28:39.000 I have friends who not only served, but went on and worked for Blackwater, and they question everything.

00:28:44.000 Yeah, yeah, they do.

00:28:45.000 They do it for the money now.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, well, they do it because, look, my buddy who went to Blackwater, he was getting like 30 grand a month.

00:28:51.000 Started a gym, bought a Mustang.

00:28:53.000 Dude, my boy fucking, he was guarding the oil ships from the pirates.

00:28:58.000 So they have four ex-CEOs on the ship, and the pirates come and they blast them, dude.

00:29:03.000 Yeah.

00:29:03.000 I've seen videos on the headcam.

00:29:05.000 Sick.

00:29:06.000 Well, the crazy thing about the pirate situation, people don't even know why those poor fucking people.

00:29:10.000 Here's another fucked up situation.

00:29:12.000 Somalia had never had a history of violence like that.

00:29:15.000 They weren't like people that would kidnap.

00:29:16.000 They were doing it because they were kidnapping these European captains of these boats that were dumping toxic waste off their shores. 0.79

00:29:22.000 Was that why?

00:29:23.000 They're fishermen.

00:29:24.000 The Somalians are fishermen. 1.00

00:29:25.000 And so all these fish were dying and they're fucking starving.

00:29:28.000 And people are getting birth defects, all this pollution in the water.

00:29:32.000 The fish are polluted.

00:29:33.000 It's like really bad.

00:29:34.000 They dump nuclear waste off the coast.

00:29:36.000 Exactly.

00:29:36.000 All kinds of that.

00:29:37.000 So the Somalians start kidnapping the captains of these boats and holding them ransom for crimes against the environment.

00:29:44.000 So when they did that, they were making millions of dollars.

00:29:47.000 So then they were like, fuck fishing.

00:29:49.000 Not only were they like, fuck fishing, but they're like, look, there's no fish left.

00:29:52.000 I mean, the fish, they dumped untold tons of toxic waste off the shore of Somalia.

00:29:58.000 See, I didn't know that.

00:29:59.000 That's fucked up.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, we don't even know all these things.

00:30:02.000 Exactly.

00:30:02.000 We think these assholes are just pirates.

00:30:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:06.000 I don't know the story.

00:30:06.000 My friends don't know the story, I bet.

00:30:08.000 My Navy Seal friends.

00:30:08.000 I don't know if they had that in that Tom Hanks movie.

00:30:11.000 I didn't see that Tom Hanks movie, but that's an important part of why those fucking people are violent. 0.64

00:30:15.000 It's not like you just fell upon a village of golems and they all have machine guns and they're hopping into boats. 1.00

00:30:21.000 No, these poor people, they were fishermen for thousands of years.

00:30:24.000 And we ruined their fish.

00:30:25.000 And like that.

00:30:26.000 For thousands of years, these people lived the exact same way, fishing, living off the land, having a good time, getting by, and all of a sudden some asshole has to dunk nuclear waste off their fish.

00:30:37.000 I always say technology is the great evil, dude.

00:30:40.000 Well, some humans are evil.

00:30:43.000 And they use technology.

00:30:45.000 I mean, before technology, Genghis Khan was evil as fuck.

00:30:49.000 I mean, there was people, I guess, bows are technology.

00:30:52.000 They're just technology for back then.

00:30:54.000 People are, you know, we have the great propensity for evil and for good.

00:30:58.000 But I mean, now I mean, like, as far as like, the world was, I mean, as it was all of history, as far as in the last hundred years with technology, we polluted everything.

00:31:07.000 It's fucked.

00:31:08.000 That is true.

00:31:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:09.000 So I'm seeing that technology.

00:31:10.000 And no, my thing is, is that, because I believe that, like, the missing Lincoln shit, all that shit was really aliens, you know?

00:31:17.000 Do you really believe that?

00:31:18.000 No, no, I read the best books, dude.

00:31:20.000 I read them all too, man.

00:31:21.000 You read the 12th Planet series?

00:31:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:23.000 Zechariah Sitchin.

00:31:24.000 Fucking good.

00:31:25.000 It makes more sense than anything else.

00:31:27.000 You got to go to sitchiniswrong.com. 0.92

00:31:29.000 And then they prove him wrong?

00:31:30.000 Well, here's the deal.

00:31:32.000 A lot of what he based on is his interpretation of some really bizarre old texts.

00:31:38.000 But what's really incredible about the Sumerians was how much they absolutely did know.

00:31:43.000 There was many, many first came out of that area as far as we know.

00:31:47.000 First wheel, first written language, first agriculture, first mathematics, first written language that we're aware of.

00:31:54.000 And they had a God for each thing.

00:31:56.000 That's why I was thinking it made sense that, oh, the God for math.

00:31:59.000 Because that was the alien that taught him math.

00:32:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:02.000 The God for fucking agriculture.

00:32:04.000 Well, that guy showed me how to fucking make a farm.

00:32:06.000 It could be.

00:32:07.000 It could be.

00:32:08.000 We could no way to prove it either way.

00:32:10.000 But I figured, like, look at this.

00:32:12.000 Look at the earth.

00:32:13.000 We're the only thing that doesn't belong here.

00:32:15.000 We're the only thing on this earth that doesn't live on the earth.

00:32:18.000 We're wearing clothes.

00:32:19.000 We're living in buildings.

00:32:20.000 Everything else is living on the earth for real.

00:32:22.000 We're all like, we're like, we don't belong here.

00:32:24.000 We're out of place.

00:32:24.000 We're the only thing that's out of place.

00:32:25.000 It's kind of like we're half fucking alien, half human.

00:32:29.000 We don't belong here.

00:32:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:32:30.000 Well, what's like us is dogs.

00:32:32.000 Dogs are like us.

00:32:33.000 But they live off the earth.

00:32:34.000 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

00:32:35.000 How they're very like, you know, they could be like me and Shaquille O'Neal are the same species.

00:32:39.000 We could both get the same woman pregnant.

00:32:42.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:32:43.000 You know, it's like a giraffe and a horse being able to get a cow pregnant. 0.79

00:32:46.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense.

00:32:48.000 Like, we don't look anything alike.

00:32:49.000 You know, Bridget Demidget and Michael Jordan, they're the same species?

00:32:53.000 How the fuck is that possible?

00:32:54.000 That's not the same animal.

00:32:56.000 Just like dogs.

00:32:57.000 Dogs are the only animal that we're aware of that have that kind of variance that can interbreed like that.

00:33:02.000 It's a very strange thing because we know that dogs were human manipulated.

00:33:05.000 And then the whole argument with people, the reason why there's a quote-unquote missing link, which I guess apparently when you talk to people who really understand biology, there really isn't a missing link.

00:33:15.000 It's just a matter of the fossil record being very difficult to get all the pieces.

00:33:19.000 See, the fossil record, the issue with the fossils is if you die or I die right here, so like say if there's a gas leak in this building explodes, we're not going to leave a fossil map.

00:33:29.000 It has to be stuck in it.

00:33:30.000 Yeah.

00:33:30.000 It has to be stuck in mud or something like that.

00:33:32.000 So it's real hard to make a fossil.

00:33:33.000 So there's probably, and not only that, humans are smart.

00:33:36.000 So the odds of them getting fossilized are probably less likely than a dumbass buffalo who falls into a pit and all his buddies fall right in after him because they're all fucking stupid.

00:33:44.000 And nobody figures out how to get it.

00:33:46.000 I just thought the book made such good sense because it's like how they said that Daydance came here and we were like the in-between links, you know, like the monkey-ish kind of guy. 0.87

00:33:55.000 Like, well, these things are fucking smart, but they're not that smart enough to do what we wouldn't want them to do.

00:33:59.000 They're kind of, they're still like animals, you know?

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 All let's put some of our genes in them, smarten them up.

00:34:04.000 Well, it's possible.

00:34:06.000 Who knows?

00:34:07.000 It's sexy.

00:34:08.000 But you know what?

00:34:08.000 Yeah, it is.

00:34:09.000 Because you know like the Old Testament, all those stories, if you read them in the terms of not God but aliens, that makes way more sense.

00:34:15.000 Well, that's what Sitchin said.

00:34:17.000 The Nephilim, he said he got in trouble when he was in school because he said that their translations were incorrect.

00:34:25.000 He said that the Nephilim, you know, they were calling them giants amongst men.

00:34:29.000 He was saying that isn't the actual translation, shouldn't it be those who came down, meaning those who came from above.

00:34:37.000 And then the Anunnaki, the literal translation apparently is those from heaven to earth came.

00:34:43.000 The idea that they came from somewhere else.

00:34:45.000 Look, if we put a fucking robot on Mars in 2014 and we could watch real-time video of it moving around, that's a fact.

00:34:52.000 That thing's up there.

00:34:53.000 Humans are just one form of intelligence.

00:34:56.000 If the universe is filled with intelligence, I guarantee you they're going to want to check out what's on other planets.

00:35:00.000 Why wouldn't they?

00:35:01.000 Why wouldn't they send things?

00:35:02.000 We're trying to go places.

00:35:03.000 Of course.

00:35:04.000 And we would definitely visit if we could.

00:35:07.000 If we could visit Mars, we haven't been able to figure out how to do it yet, but they're trying to figure it out.

00:35:12.000 We might be 20 years away from a person going to Mars.

00:35:15.000 So if that's the case, why wouldn't someone come from another planet? 0.94

00:35:18.000 The real problem is nobody agrees with that guy's translations.

00:35:22.000 That's one problem.

00:35:23.000 And the other problem is that all these people want to believe in it so bad.

00:35:27.000 It's so sexy that they don't look at it as a maybe.

00:35:31.000 They gravitate towards it and they run with it.

00:35:34.000 Like this is the aliens came and they work with our DNA.

00:35:36.000 Are you sure, bitch? 1.00

00:35:37.000 You're not sure?

00:35:38.000 You're not fucking sure.

00:35:39.000 But it makes more sense than the Bible.

00:35:41.000 It definitely makes more sense than the Bible, but it's probably related.

00:35:44.000 If I could pick, I'd rather have the Bible be true. 0.80

00:35:46.000 I want to go to fucking heaven if there's such a thing.

00:35:48.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:49.000 I'd rather have that true.

00:35:50.000 I'd rather have Santa Claus, all the fairy tales true.

00:35:52.000 But I just think it makes more sense.

00:35:54.000 If there's an option, Bible or aliens, I'm picking aliens. 0.99

00:35:57.000 I don't think it's an either-or option.

00:35:59.000 I mean, first of all, the real problem with the Bible is like that telephone game. 0.82

00:36:03.000 You know, you tell your friend's story, he tells two.

00:36:05.000 By the time it gets back to you, it's fucked. 0.93

00:36:07.000 The story's fucked.

00:36:08.000 And they told the stories of the Bible for over a thousand years before they ever wrote them down.

00:36:13.000 The oldest version of the Bible they have is in Aramaic.

00:36:16.000 And they found it in these clay pots in a place called Qumran, and it's called the Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:36:22.000 That's the oldest version of the biblical story.

00:36:22.000 Yes.

00:36:24.000 The Mag Hammadi scrolls, whatever they're called, the other ones?

00:36:26.000 Yeah, there's quite a few ancient scrolls.

00:36:29.000 Even the Sumerians, though, had almost the same stories, just different names.

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 It's an old story from what?

00:36:36.000 From what?

00:36:37.000 Who taught us that?

00:36:38.000 Well, it could be a bunch of different things, man.

00:36:40.000 I mean, you stop and think about the variance in how far cultures have advanced today.

00:36:45.000 Like, you could today, you could go to the Amazon and find some marine forest people that had never seen people.

00:36:49.000 You'd show them your watch.

00:36:50.000 They'd be freaking out.

00:36:52.000 You show them a laptop.

00:36:53.000 They think you're a fucking wizard.

00:36:54.000 I mean, just think about that today.

00:36:56.000 But that happened in World War II, right?

00:36:58.000 Yes, it did.

00:36:59.000 That island there.

00:37:01.000 From Chariots of the Gods, Eric von Daniken did a documentary.

00:37:05.000 And like they wanted, we gave them candies and shit.

00:37:07.000 And they thought we were gods and they built fake airplanes to worship them.

00:37:12.000 They want us to come back.

00:37:13.000 We never came back.

00:37:14.000 We weren't gods.

00:37:15.000 But that's what we're doing.

00:37:16.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:37:17.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it's like.

00:37:19.000 I think that if you're a super intelligent race or a super intelligent civilization rather and you run into someone of your own race that just happens to be trapped in the outback of Australia and living off the land, they would have no idea that within a thousand years they've been living like this, which cultures exist in the same static state for a thousand years all the time.

00:37:39.000 But look what's happened in this country just 200 fucking years.

00:37:41.000 Crazy.

00:37:42.000 There's no America 300 years ago.

00:37:44.000 It didn't exist.

00:37:44.000 There was nothing here.

00:37:45.000 There was no buildings.

00:37:46.000 There's no roads.

00:37:47.000 And in 300 years, you got LA, Chicago, New Orleans, and fucking fucking chaos all over the place.

00:37:55.000 That's a blip in time.

00:37:56.000 So for these people living in a static state for a thousand years, all of a sudden people come in.

00:38:02.000 Then they tell stories about these people.

00:38:03.000 Those people were fucking aliens, man.

00:38:05.000 They came, they had chariots, horses drove them around.

00:38:09.000 Like when the Incans first saw the Spaniards, they thought they were fucking gods.

00:38:15.000 People on horses, they thought they were a part of the horse.

00:38:17.000 They didn't even know what the fuck was going on.

00:38:19.000 They thought it was Quetzal Cuato returning.

00:38:21.000 They had no idea what was happening.

00:38:22.000 They were freaking out.

00:38:24.000 So I think that those stories, when you're dealing with over a thousand years of them telling them back and forth before anybody writes them down, then they write them down, they write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in ancient Hebrew.

00:38:36.000 And in ancient Hebrew, they only know like three out of four words today in ancient Hebrew.

00:38:41.000 And letters were numbers?

00:38:42.000 Like the word God and the word love, they had the same numeric value.

00:38:46.000 Like words had, like War Machine would have a specific numeric value that would not just represent your name, but also like what you are.

00:38:54.000 And like a person, your lover, your mother would represent, would have a certain number to it.

00:39:00.000 And that was like important in like the way a sentence was translating information.

00:39:04.000 They lost all that shit when they translated it to Greek and to Latin.

00:39:10.000 all that's missing.

00:39:11.000 Instead, you get this flat interpretation of this really bizarre ancient language that was a language that was also numbers.

00:39:18.000 It was math and a language together.

00:39:21.000 It's hard for us to even wrap our heads around it.

00:39:22.000 It's just crazy that people fucking really, really believe and kill for it.

00:39:26.000 They want to, man.

00:39:28.000 They want to believe because if you don't believe, then you have these open-ended questions.

00:39:31.000 Everybody likes to be fucking comfortable.

00:39:33.000 Everybody wants to retire.

00:39:34.000 Everybody wants to win the lottery.

00:39:36.000 What they don't understand is the beauty's in the struggle.

00:39:38.000 The beauty is in the struggle.

00:39:40.000 To really appreciate life, you got to know you're going to die.

00:39:43.000 You got to know it could be all over.

00:39:45.000 That's how you really appreciate it.

00:39:46.000 No, it's true.

00:39:47.000 It's just like fighting.

00:39:51.000 When I was brand new, you envision, oh, I'm a TJ fighting in Tijuana, right?

00:39:55.000 And like, when I be in the UFC, it's going to be this way.

00:39:58.000 I get to the UFC, and it ain't that way.

00:40:00.000 It's a TJ.

00:40:01.000 It's the same thing.

00:40:02.000 It's the same fight.

00:40:02.000 It's just a struggle.

00:40:04.000 And then I asked Donald Cruz because I used to live with him.

00:40:06.000 He's one of my buddies.

00:40:07.000 Oh, now you're the champ.

00:40:09.000 He's a champ.

00:40:10.000 It's not real for him.

00:40:12.000 People that don't know him see him he's the champ.

00:40:14.000 But for him, he's still him.

00:40:15.000 And like, he's fighting for the belt.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:17.000 He has the belt, but it's not real.

00:40:19.000 It's never, like, the first time I ever saw myself fight in the UFC.

00:40:23.000 I fought J-Rock. 1.00

00:40:24.000 And I got home and I Googled it, whatever, and I found it.

00:40:24.000 Yeah.

00:40:27.000 And it was like, it didn't seem right.

00:40:29.000 Like, I was in there.

00:40:30.000 Like, Joe Rogan's interviewed me after the fight.

00:40:32.000 You know, it doesn't seem, it seems like I photoshopped it into there.

00:40:36.000 Because you're still you.

00:40:37.000 In your head, you're still you.

00:40:38.000 But now you're seeing you as other people see you.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 So you envision something the way it's going to be, and it ain't ever that way.

00:40:45.000 Well, isn't that also one of the things that happens when people start attacking you online?

00:40:49.000 It's like people, they're attacking like a celebrity.

00:40:52.000 They're attacking a Justin Bieber.

00:40:54.000 They're attacking whoever the fuck it is that they see that is the object of their attention.

00:40:58.000 But that person who they're attacking, you don't even know them.

00:41:01.000 Like you don't know any of these people.

00:41:03.000 And yet they feel that you're like a free target.

00:41:06.000 They want to kill me.

00:41:07.000 Dude, people, hey, people say fucked up.

00:41:10.000 Like just like last week, someone's like, like, yeah, you suck at CPR.

00:41:14.000 Like, and the motherfuckers referring to my dad.

00:41:16.000 Whoa.

00:41:17.000 I get that all the time.

00:41:18.000 People say, I'm like, dude, you don't, like, I don't get upset too long.

00:41:22.000 I almost had to laugh.

00:41:23.000 Like, what a fucking dick.

00:41:24.000 Yeah.

00:41:25.000 Like, you don't even know him.

00:41:26.000 Why would you say that?

00:41:27.000 You don't know.

00:41:27.000 Like, that's a dick thing.

00:41:28.000 It's the internet, man.

00:41:29.000 The problem is that people can say shit on the internet and there's no social.

00:41:33.000 No accountability.

00:41:34.000 No accountability and you don't feel it.

00:41:36.000 Like if you say something mean to somebody, how many, I could tell you, me personally, I've said shit where I might have been just joking around, but I said something mean and then I saw the look on a person's face and I'm like, I'm sorry.

00:41:46.000 I was just fucking around.

00:41:47.000 I didn't even mean.

00:41:48.000 You don't mean it to come off that way sometimes, but you do.

00:41:50.000 So when you just get a free ride and you just use, fuck you, war machine, you fucking, you suck at CPR.

00:41:57.000 And they send that out there, it's like, it's bad for people.

00:42:00.000 It's unhealthy.

00:42:01.000 It sucks.

00:42:02.000 It creates sociopaths.

00:42:03.000 Yeah, you know, and it's like whenever I go out, I've never had one person be mean to me.

00:42:08.000 Of course not.

00:42:08.000 They're always nice to me.

00:42:09.000 And I'm nice to everyone.

00:42:10.000 I'm cool, man.

00:42:11.000 As long as you have to do something dumb for me to be mad at you know what I mean?

00:42:14.000 But where are you guys when I'm out?

00:42:14.000 I'm cool.

00:42:16.000 You guys want to ever come up to me and say something mean to me when I'm out?

00:42:18.000 Yeah.

00:42:19.000 Like you want to do it on here?

00:42:20.000 Why do you do that?

00:42:20.000 You know, I'm glad.

00:42:21.000 Well, it's probably different people, but if you met them, it'd probably be the same thing, man.

00:42:25.000 I mean, people ask me about that all the time.

00:42:27.000 Like, do you ever get hassled?

00:42:28.000 People want to fight you.

00:42:29.000 People are nice to me everywhere.

00:42:29.000 Never.

00:42:31.000 Everywhere, everywhere.

00:42:31.000 If you run into me, man, I'm going to give you a hug.

00:42:33.000 I'm friendly.

00:42:34.000 And once they realize that, but you just become an object when you're on a computer screen or on television, when you're fighting.

00:42:41.000 You know, like, yeah, he fucking his guard's bullshit.

00:42:44.000 He sucks at this.

00:42:45.000 They'll come up with some reason.

00:42:47.000 That fight that you had with J-Rock, dude, that was an important fight for me for two reasons.

00:42:51.000 One, because I realized how much damage you can do from the guard with your elbows.

00:42:56.000 Dude, that was a big moment for me because I never saw anybody deliver elbows like he did from the guard.

00:43:03.000 I don't even know how he practiced that.

00:43:04.000 I mean, I asked him.

00:43:05.000 Badass technique.

00:43:06.000 He told me that he was like a he had a tire, like a tire in between his legs.

00:43:10.000 Like in the guard, he would practice smashing it.

00:43:11.000 But I mean, like, dude, to this day, no one's done it like that.

00:43:16.000 He was good at him.

00:43:16.000 Not like that.

00:43:17.000 I was dizzy for, I had a concussion for like a week and a half after that fight.

00:43:20.000 I believe you, man.

00:43:20.000 I was dizzy.

00:43:21.000 I mean, that night, I had this chick.

00:43:23.000 Oh, she was so hot, dude. 1.00

00:43:24.000 Giant booty dude.

00:43:25.000 I was like, oh, I'm just going to go smasher.

00:43:26.000 She worked at the Palms that night.

00:43:28.000 And I took her to home, bro.

00:43:30.000 And I was, dude, I was so dizzy trying to fuck her. 1.00

00:43:32.000 I was going to throw up.

00:43:34.000 Dude, I laid down.

00:43:35.000 Imagine if he did.

00:43:36.000 I lay down.

00:43:38.000 Come and throw up at the same time.

00:43:39.000 I laid down, bro.

00:43:40.000 I was like, hey, you just got to ride me.

00:43:42.000 But I couldn't lay flat because the room would spin.

00:43:43.000 Did you call her bro?

00:43:46.000 That'd be a problem, bro.

00:43:47.000 That's how fucking hammered you were.

00:43:49.000 But I had to sit upright and have her ride me. 0.62

00:43:52.000 Because if I laid all the way down, the room would spin.

00:43:54.000 That's crazy.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, but he jacked me up with those elbows. 0.96

00:43:56.000 Dude, that was one of the most effective uses of elbows from the guard I've ever seen.

00:44:00.000 The only other time I've seen something really crazy from the guard like that is Uriah Hall stopped that dude from his guard on the last issue, the last version of Tough.

00:44:08.000 He had the dude in his guard.

00:44:10.000 He was on top.

00:44:10.000 He got reversed.

00:44:11.000 He had the dude.

00:44:12.000 I forget how he got into his guard.

00:44:12.000 I think.

00:44:14.000 But anyway, in his guard, knocks the guy out with punches from the guard.

00:44:17.000 I understand that.

00:44:17.000 It's crazy.

00:44:18.000 I've never seen that before, but that motherfucker hits hard. 1.00

00:44:22.000 But that J-Rock fight was also intense because you guys were really good friends.

00:44:26.000 You guys had become real close in the house.

00:44:29.000 And you were hitting him.

00:44:30.000 And then you were saying, I'm sorry.

00:44:31.000 I love you.

00:44:32.000 I love you.

00:44:32.000 I'm sorry.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, we were talking.

00:44:34.000 Yeah, you were talking during the fight and you were doing it like a couple feet from me.

00:44:37.000 And I remember thinking like, whoa, this is some heavy shit.

00:44:40.000 And I'm trying to do the commentary.

00:44:42.000 I would like to have just been able to just say nothing and just watch it because it was a great fight.

00:44:46.000 But it was also like, that was a crazy interpersonal situation.

00:44:50.000 It was weird, man.

00:44:51.000 And, you know, like after the fight, when you interviewed me, I cried.

00:44:54.000 It wasn't because I was happy.

00:44:55.000 I cried because I was sad because I ruined his dreams.

00:44:58.000 Yeah, it was genuine.

00:44:59.000 It was very genuine.

00:45:00.000 I was like, obviously, I want to win it because at the end of the day, my life has to succeed.

00:45:05.000 But I don't want to take away my friend's dreams.

00:45:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:09.000 And that's the hard thing about MMA is that if we were all making Mayweather money, dude, oh, just go, Joe, it's 20 million.

00:45:16.000 She gives a fuck. 1.00

00:45:17.000 But when you know that the person, if they lose, they might not have a job anymore.

00:45:22.000 It's different, dude.

00:45:23.000 Especially if you like the guy.

00:45:24.000 Well, George said it best.

00:45:25.000 He said he would never fight a friend.

00:45:27.000 He said, because there's things that he does to opponents, he would never do to a friend.

00:45:30.000 He said, I just couldn't, I could not do it if I was on top of him.

00:45:34.000 I could not deliver elbows to his head, concussive damage.

00:45:39.000 Yeah, he was just talking about the viciousness of dropping elbows on someone's head.

00:45:43.000 You just wouldn't do that to your friend.

00:45:44.000 You wouldn't be able to do that to your friend.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, but more than that, because I mean, I spoil my buddies and we beat the shit out of each other.

00:45:50.000 But that's a little different, right?

00:45:51.000 It's different.

00:45:52.000 You're not trying to kill him.

00:45:53.000 Like, there's the thing in competition where it's fucking real.

00:46:00.000 This is not just competing in the gym.

00:46:03.000 This is ready, ready, go.

00:46:05.000 Ding, the bell rings, the cameras are on you.

00:46:07.000 There's no take backs, there's no redos. 1.00

00:46:09.000 The hard part would be finishing your friend off once they're hurt.

00:46:13.000 Like, say if you're going, you knock him out, that has happened.

00:46:16.000 But if you rock him and he's like, right, right, right, right, right.

00:46:16.000 Right.

00:46:19.000 You know, trying to put him out, that'd be like, fuck.

00:46:22.000 And you're like, you'd want the ref to stop it.

00:46:24.000 It'd be different, you know?

00:46:24.000 Like Machita Munoz, perfect example.

00:46:27.000 Machita head kicks him and moved in to close the show and decided not to. 1.00

00:46:27.000 Real good friends. 1.00

00:46:32.000 Whereas anybody else, he would have hit him with seven punches before that referee got there.

00:46:36.000 When he gets into those fucking karate punches, you know, he throws those rapid-fire right hands.

00:46:42.000 Yeah, Machita's a closer.

00:46:43.000 And, you know, that was a perfect example of the difference between fighting a friend.

00:46:47.000 And that was a crazy head kick, too, because he knocked him out through his head.

00:46:52.000 He went through his hand.

00:46:53.000 Sometimes that hand ain't enough.

00:46:54.000 Not enough for a head kick. 0.63

00:46:56.000 There's some power in a dude like that that gets hit her so fucking hard.

00:47:00.000 That's why them Thai guys, they both hands and away from their head. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 Because this, it'll still, the energy transfers through your arm.

00:47:08.000 Is it hard to make that transition though to the smaller gloves?

00:47:11.000 Because the problem with the smaller gloves too is when dudes try to do like that K1 style Dutch thing like this, there's all these openings that don't exist with those big ass gloves. 0.55

00:47:20.000 This is exactly why since two years ago, I refused to sparrow big gloves.

00:47:25.000 I don't ever again.

00:47:26.000 It's smart.

00:47:26.000 I don't do it.

00:47:28.000 And people say, it ain't dangerous, man.

00:47:31.000 I'll tell you what.

00:47:32.000 Watch the UFC.

00:47:34.000 No one gets cut from punches.

00:47:35.000 It's mostly elbows, headbutts, acts, knees, whatever.

00:47:38.000 I mean, it happens, but it's rare, and they're going all out.

00:47:41.000 Punches usually don't get cut that much.

00:47:43.000 And in practice, I've never cut no one with little gloves.

00:47:46.000 Well, you grease your face up too.

00:47:47.000 Yeah, which you can't do in a fight.

00:47:50.000 In a fight.

00:47:51.000 A lot of grease.

00:47:52.000 And they sell the puffy sparring on their gloves.

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 And I'll tell you what, me, we go hard with those.

00:47:57.000 And I've never been cut.

00:47:58.000 I've never cut anybody.

00:48:00.000 But then when I was sparring J. Haran when he fought St. Pierre a long time ago, headgear and big gloves.

00:48:05.000 I cut the shit out of him.

00:48:06.000 Just a wild punch. 0.52

00:48:08.000 It happens.

00:48:09.000 If it's going to happen, it's going to happen.

00:48:10.000 But like you said, the big gloves, you can get used to blocking way differently.

00:48:14.000 It's a big old thing.

00:48:15.000 But you can't block that way.

00:48:16.000 So I only spar with little gloves now.

00:48:18.000 Yeah, you see that a lot from the real high-level kickboxer guys that go into MMA when they realize how many openings are left where they're so used to.

00:48:26.000 If you find like a Nikki Holtzen or one of those type guys that like fights that classic Amsterdam style, they have that hands up high, which is fantastic for kickboxing.

00:48:36.000 But when guys like that enter into MMA like Alistair, it's a weird thing because there's all these openings there now.

00:48:43.000 And same thing, even with good boxers, they can always punches.

00:48:47.000 Do that with a little glove.

00:48:48.000 It's not going to happen.

00:48:50.000 And what happens is if you're a defense, if you're not comfortable on your defense, then it ruins everything because you start panicking.

00:48:57.000 Like, why am I, how's it hitting me?

00:48:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:59.000 Such a difference in the impact as well.

00:49:02.000 Even if you do catch a punch, like say if you catch a guy's right hand and you have it in front of your face, with that little glove, there's not much protecting you.

00:49:10.000 If that big ass glove, the boxing glove, it's like a big pillow hitting you in the face.

00:49:14.000 I mean, obviously, you know, it still fucking hurts and dudes get knocked out, but there's such a difference in those four-ounce to eight-ounce gloves.

00:49:21.000 It's an enormous difference.

00:49:22.000 And most of them are fighting with 10-ounce gloves.

00:49:24.000 Yeah, you know, last two years, man, I don't spar.

00:49:28.000 Like, right now at Coutours, I'm at Coutours.

00:49:30.000 And they do Tuesday as little gloves, and Thursday is big gloves.

00:49:33.000 I don't go to Thursday.

00:49:34.000 Really?

00:49:35.000 And they say, well, it's good to do both.

00:49:37.000 I don't think it's good.

00:49:37.000 It is my opinion.

00:49:39.000 But I'm stubborn.

00:49:40.000 And, you know, that's just the way I don't believe in it.

00:49:43.000 Well, it's definitely different.

00:49:44.000 And it's interesting to see, I mean, even over the course, what year was your year of the Ultimate Fighter?

00:49:50.000 2007.

00:49:51.000 2007.

00:49:52.000 Even from 2007 to today, thinking about how much things have changed.

00:49:55.000 There was no wheel kicks back then, no front kicks to the face.

00:49:58.000 What was doing that?

00:49:59.000 The karate kicks are coming in.

00:50:00.000 They were starting to.

00:50:01.000 No, no, no.

00:50:02.000 Oh, now they are.

00:50:03.000 So like UFC One, people thought karate was disapproved because they got only one thing.

00:50:10.000 Then everyone went to like wrestling jiu-jitsu.

00:50:12.000 Now karate kicks are coming back.

00:50:14.000 They figured if you can box and wrestle in jiu-jitsu and throw a cool karate kick, it can work.

00:50:18.000 You got to mix together, a little bit of everything.

00:50:20.000 Because even Brony, you don't fucking meathead Brony.

00:50:24.000 Well, last year he was like, I'm going to start doing karate.

00:50:25.000 Like, shut up.

00:50:26.000 So I swear, dude, no, I'm serious, dude.

00:50:29.000 Vito was doing it.

00:50:30.000 And like, you're like, yeah, that's good.

00:50:31.000 I know, I just want like three of those good kicks. 0.69

00:50:31.000 I think it's good. 0.69

00:50:33.000 And I said, well, I said, it won't hurt, but you know what I mean?

00:50:36.000 I don't know.

00:50:36.000 I can't really picture Brony doing that.

00:50:37.000 I can do it.

00:50:38.000 I can picture him doing it.

00:50:39.000 Could you?

00:50:39.000 You got badass kicks.

00:50:40.000 I was watching some of the videos of you kicking the bag with St. Pierre.

00:50:43.000 Yeah, dude.

00:50:45.000 When I was a kid, that's all I did was Taekwondo.

00:50:47.000 I was a huge Taekwondo fan.

00:50:49.000 Taekwondo was all kicks, right?

00:50:51.000 All kicks.

00:50:52.000 But the problem was, I transitioned into kickboxing when I was 21, and my fucking hands were terrible.

00:50:57.000 I was getting lit up in the gym.

00:50:59.000 I just couldn't believe it.

00:51:01.000 I thought my hands were way better.

00:51:03.000 And then I cut out like maybe 60% of all Taekwondo techniques.

00:51:08.000 And I concentrated on like a core of fundamental techniques and then started to learn how to box.

00:51:12.000 Then I started doing Muay Thai and I realized, oh, then there's leg kicks.

00:51:16.000 God damn it.

00:51:17.000 Those are the.

00:51:18.000 That's the thing is like everyone was so stubborn.

00:51:21.000 There's good things in everything.

00:51:22.000 The thing about learning the taekwondo, though, is because there's no punches to the face and there's no leg kicks, you get really good at doing shit that's super risky if guys are throwing leg kicks and punching you in the face.

00:51:34.000 Whereas you might not really get good at those techniques because you wouldn't put as much time in it.

00:51:37.000 You're not going to get to throw them, yeah.

00:51:38.000 Exactly.

00:51:39.000 So you get real good at them.

00:51:40.000 And then when you learn those other things, you already have that crazy dexterity.

00:51:43.000 You know, my boy has badass kicks.

00:51:45.000 You know, Ed Ratcliffe?

00:51:47.000 The black kid 9mm? 0.98

00:51:47.000 Mm-hmm. 0.98

00:51:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:49.000 He has nasty kicks.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, he's got nasty kicks.

00:51:51.000 Actually, his mom taught him how to katarate.

00:51:53.000 Pettis, both of the brothers.

00:51:55.000 The Pettis brothers, they have nasty taekwondo.

00:51:57.000 They started out in Taekwondo.

00:51:59.000 And then they learned from Duke Rufus, all the other fundamentals of kickboxing and MMA.

00:52:03.000 I think that's a good combination.

00:52:04.000 It's a good way to do it because otherwise, it's hard to learn those kicks.

00:52:08.000 It's hard, unless you're Vitor.

00:52:10.000 How the fuck?

00:52:10.000 That guy like downloaded a black belt to his brain.

00:52:12.000 That's what Joe Silva said.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, but that's like he's a freak of nature.

00:52:15.000 But that's like that's like a Saint Pierre.

00:52:17.000 And chemicals.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 St. Pierre.

00:52:20.000 His first fight, if you watch it, it's like in Canada in the ring.

00:52:22.000 He can't wrestle with shit.

00:52:23.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 Now he's out wrestling like Koschek.

00:52:24.000 Nothing.

00:52:27.000 No one can do that.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 But wasn't it fascinating, though, when you saw him lock up with Johnny Hendrix?

00:52:31.000 He couldn't take Hendrix down.

00:52:33.000 Oh, that was dope. 0.61

00:52:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:34.000 I mean, that's the difference between, you know, you catch a guy, especially not in a transition, not in between punches, but actually just trying to take him down.

00:52:43.000 Like, good luck.

00:52:44.000 Hendrix hopping around on one leg, punching him in the face.

00:52:47.000 And George couldn't take him down, which is crazy when you think about how good George's wrestling is in a lot of his other fights.

00:52:47.000 Nothing.

00:52:52.000 Yeah, that was a...

00:52:57.000 I thought he won the fight.

00:52:58.000 No, he won the fight.

00:52:59.000 Yeah.

00:52:59.000 No, he won the fight.

00:53:00.000 I think so, too.

00:53:00.000 He got robbed.

00:53:01.000 I think almost everybody that I've talked to that watched that fight, except extreme GSP fans.

00:53:06.000 I wanted Sam Pierre to win.

00:53:07.000 Did you really?

00:53:08.000 Yeah, I like it.

00:53:09.000 You know what?

00:53:10.000 I didn't want him to fight Johnny Hendricks.

00:53:11.000 In my opinion, Koschek beat Hendrix.

00:53:14.000 That was a bad decision.

00:53:16.000 I think Kosche won that fight.

00:53:17.000 And I was rooting for Hendrix because I didn't like Koschek. 1.00

00:53:19.000 It was a very close fight, that's for sure.

00:53:21.000 I thought that if I was St. Pierre, man, I would say, fuck that.

00:53:25.000 I would fight Anderson and retire.

00:53:28.000 I think he could beat Anderson.

00:53:29.000 Anderson can't wrestle.

00:53:30.000 He's had headaches for the last couple of years.

00:53:32.000 George.

00:53:33.000 Oh, really?

00:53:33.000 Yeah, Freddie Roach was just talking about it.

00:53:35.000 George has had some migraines.

00:53:36.000 He's been talking to him about it.

00:53:38.000 Over the last two years, he's been suffering from migraines.

00:53:40.000 But that was the personal problems he was talking about?

00:53:42.000 Well, that was one of them.

00:53:43.000 I think there was some other stuff that he doesn't want to talk about, but the physical problems are legit.

00:53:49.000 He was on the podcast, man.

00:53:50.000 He was talking to me about aliens.

00:53:52.000 And he was talking about, like, I was pushing him.

00:53:54.000 I was like, you believe in aliens?

00:53:55.000 You believe.

00:53:55.000 Like, apparently, when they filmed the Countdown show with him, primetime show, there was a whole segment that they filmed where he was talking about, like, worrying, like, has nightmares about being abducted by aliens.

00:54:07.000 And then he has it, like, in his mind what he would do if aliens came.

00:54:10.000 And Anthony Gierdonal told me about this.

00:54:12.000 I go, why didn't they put that in the show?

00:54:13.000 Like, the UFC didn't want to have that in.

00:54:15.000 And I was like, that's crazy.

00:54:16.000 So I asked him about it on the podcast.

00:54:18.000 And one of the things that he was talking about, though, was about missing time.

00:54:22.000 Sometime I'm in my car.

00:54:23.000 And then all of a sudden I'm at the gym and I don't know how I got there.

00:54:26.000 I'm like, okay, dude.

00:54:28.000 Like that is not aliens.

00:54:30.000 That is not.

00:54:30.000 That's called, we can hit the head too much.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:32.000 And it's a fact because, you know, I'm not that, I don't think I'm punch drunk, but I lose my car all the time now.

00:54:40.000 Ever since the J-Rod fight, actually, I lose my car.

00:54:42.000 Like, if I go to the mall, my car's gone.

00:54:45.000 Like, I literally, dude, I have to fucking.

00:54:48.000 You should get a flag and put it on your roof.

00:54:51.000 I put a little note in my phone, like, level four.

00:54:53.000 Like, I had to put a note.

00:54:55.000 I'll lose my car if I park.

00:54:56.000 Like, memento for parking.

00:54:58.000 Yeah, you know what I do.

00:54:59.000 But, like, Brony's worst to me, though.

00:55:02.000 He'll ask me the same question like five times in a day.

00:55:02.000 He forgets things.

00:55:06.000 No, but this is just...

00:55:12.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:13.000 That's why I get pissed off when the football players are suing the NFL.

00:55:17.000 Motherfucker, you guys made millions.

00:55:19.000 It's a violent sport.

00:55:20.000 You knew you're going to have a head injury.

00:55:23.000 You got paid what you were due.

00:55:24.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:24.000 And we don't get paid.

00:55:26.000 I don't think what we're due.

00:55:27.000 And we're getting the same injuries, but nothing's going to happen to us.

00:55:29.000 We're going to be like the wrestler.

00:55:30.000 The wrestler movie is going to happen to 80% of fighters.

00:55:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:34.000 I'm hoping that they're going to figure out some sort of a medical solution.

00:55:38.000 I feel like if you look at the advancements in science and medicine and what they've been able to figure out about how to fix all sorts of injuries, that fixing traumatic brain injury is probably next.

00:55:47.000 And I know that this thing called the Intrepid Center for Excellence, that they work with soldiers coming back from the war that have brain injuries.

00:55:56.000 It's a big issue.

00:55:57.000 And they've made some big improvements in helping people.

00:56:01.000 But I'm with you.

00:56:03.000 I would way rather see a fighter retire too soon than too late.

00:56:06.000 And it bums me out when I see a guy that's been in it too long.

00:56:09.000 And I see them struggling.

00:56:12.000 And you know, the worst part is if they're doing it just because they need money.

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:17.000 Like, you know, some guys, like, they need to retire, but they just don't have, they need money.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, and they take fights, they shouldn't take.

00:56:23.000 Yeah, they shouldn't take fights.

00:56:24.000 Whatever.

00:56:24.000 When they're not prepared against a dangerous guy, too.

00:56:27.000 And they get more damage, you know?

00:56:28.000 Exactly.

00:56:28.000 Well, that's a real issue.

00:56:30.000 You know, oh, nobody wants to fight this guy.

00:56:31.000 Well, why do you think nobody wants to fight this guy?

00:56:33.000 Because they're not the same level as him.

00:56:35.000 And because if they do fight him, they're going to get knocked the fuck out.

00:56:37.000 Don't say they're scared.

00:56:38.000 Then they're going to get fired.

00:56:39.000 Yeah.

00:56:39.000 And that's not like, you can't say that a guy's scared because nobody, everyone entering into the UFC is not a perfect finished product.

00:56:47.000 They're just not.

00:56:49.000 It's a development cycle that goes through the entirety of your career.

00:56:53.000 And one of the things about boxing is they know where their fighter is at and they try to match them up well before they give them a title shot.

00:57:00.000 If you look at boxing, you'll see a lot of guys challenging for the title.

00:57:03.000 They only have like maybe one loss, two losses in their entire career.

00:57:06.000 And a lot of them happen early because they get a manager and they slowly build them up and then they start testing them and they do test them, but they test them once they develop some serious world-class skills.

00:57:16.000 In boxing, you fight nothing but chumps pretty much.

00:57:20.000 You get a lot of work, easy, easy, easy guys.

00:57:23.000 Step up a little bit, say all you did.

00:57:24.000 If you didn't, you do get pull them back the next time, make it easier.

00:57:27.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:28.000 They have so many fights.

00:57:29.000 That's how the guys get like 30 and 0.

00:57:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:31.000 Because they didn't fight no one 30 and 0.

00:57:33.000 And they realize also that that's the way to make the money.

00:57:35.000 The way to make the money is to build up a Manny Pacquiao, to build up a Ricky Hatton, to build up a Floyd Mayweather.

00:57:40.000 You got to have a lot of fight.

00:57:42.000 Like Floyd May there, Mayweather's the only one who's been able to go through the fire over and over and over again and come out undefeated.

00:57:48.000 I mean, he's a special athlete.

00:57:49.000 And the thing, like, I don't want to knock on the UFC because that's your boss or whatever, or you work for them, but like, UFC doesn't want to market fighters.

00:57:56.000 They want to market the UFC.

00:57:58.000 Well, it's smart if you were a business.

00:58:00.000 If you were a business, it's smart.

00:58:01.000 But they do market fighters as well.

00:58:03.000 Look, Ronda Rousey, I know how much Ronda Rousey's making.

00:58:05.000 She's making incredible money. 0.98

00:58:07.000 If you're a pay-per-view draw, if you're a George St. Pierre, if you're someone that's making a ton of money, you make money based on how many pay-per-views you sell.

00:58:15.000 So they're making shitloads of money.

00:58:18.000 So there's what people read online as far as how much the UFC pays.

00:58:22.000 It's like these are the disclosed revenue, the disclosed incomes.

00:58:26.000 But that's not what they get paid.

00:58:28.000 There's a bunch of other shit involved as well.

00:58:30.000 There's bonuses, and then on top of the bonuses, there's what they get for each pay-per-view sale.

00:58:34.000 So they don't disclose, and a lot of it's because a lot of fighters don't want people to disclose.

00:58:39.000 But if you're a guy who's starting out and you want to eventually work your way up to get to championship status, like it's a fucking minefield.

00:58:47.000 Like, look at Brock Lesnar's a perfect example.

00:58:50.000 I was talking to Dana about this last night.

00:58:51.000 Has there ever been a guy where his fucking second fight in, he's fighting a former UFC heavyweight champion in his guy, Mir, who Mir was in his prime.

00:59:00.000 I mean, Mir was, you know, I mean, as good as he's ever been when Brock fought him.

00:59:06.000 His problem was that he was too famous.

00:59:08.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 He had to be thrown in there.

00:59:10.000 And you know what?

00:59:10.000 Kimbo Slice, I think, had the same kind of problem.

00:59:12.000 Kimbo Slice, everyone says, he sucks.

00:59:15.000 He's only been training a couple years, dude.

00:59:18.000 But he doesn't suck.

00:59:19.000 He's inexperienced.

00:59:20.000 He has potential, but he was too famous too fast, and he had to fight two good guys too fast, and he got washed out.

00:59:25.000 Exactly.

00:59:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:26.000 It was like his own marketing, you know, guerrilla marketing on the internet stuff worked for him and against him.

00:59:33.000 Did you ever see the Sean Gannon fight?

00:59:34.000 The old, old, old one?

00:59:35.000 Old, old, old one when they fought in Karate Dojo.

00:59:37.000 That was way back in the day before.

00:59:38.000 That is one of the great.

00:59:39.000 Pull that shit up.

00:59:40.000 Sean Gannon versus Kimbo Slice.

00:59:42.000 That is one of the greatest displays of heart ever.

00:59:45.000 For folks who don't know, Kimbo Slice became famous on the internet for all these crazy knockouts and these backyard fights.

00:59:51.000 He'd fight dudes bare knuckle boxing, backyard fights, beat the shit out of them, make all this money.

00:59:55.000 And he was this cool looking cat with his big beard.

00:59:57.000 Giant, tub, big ass, huge knuckles. 1.00

00:59:59.000 A really nice guy.

01:00:00.000 Super nice.

01:00:01.000 You look at his image, you think one thing, and you meet him, he's like...

01:00:01.000 Super nice guy.

01:00:06.000 He's just ready to throw down.

01:00:07.000 He's just ready to throw down.

01:00:08.000 So he became famous, and there's a cop from Boston named Sean Gannon.

01:00:12.000 This motherfucker has a head like a fire hydrant. 1.00

01:00:16.000 And this is when they were in the middle of it.

01:00:18.000 This is like everybody broke it up.

01:00:19.000 They got on.

01:00:20.000 There was a lot of money.

01:00:21.000 No wrestling, no wrestling. 0.93

01:00:22.000 Yeah, they said it had to be a stand-up fight.

01:00:24.000 Well, he got him in a standing guillotine, and he's putting him to sleep, and all these people are jumping in and saying, no wrestling, no wrestling.

01:00:30.000 They're literally prying the two of them apart.

01:00:32.000 And Kimbo, if you tune it to the beginning, Kimbo was tuning him up in the beginning of the fight.

01:00:36.000 But that guillotine, man, if a guy's good and he gets you at a guillotine, you're fucked.

01:00:41.000 Because he held on to that guillotine for about 30 or 40 seconds.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, Kimbo's tired as fuck then.

01:00:47.000 Yeah, no one's saying anything when Kimbo shot for a single.

01:00:50.000 But that was because Sean was battering him by this point.

01:00:52.000 Yeah, it was his cardio.

01:00:53.000 He couldn't hang with the cardio, Kimbo.

01:00:54.000 Yeah, Kimbo shot on him, which is crazy.

01:00:56.000 And then, you know, you see him there, everybody's freaking out.

01:00:59.000 He couldn't hang with the cardio, and he also couldn't.

01:01:01.000 Gannon's just an animal.

01:01:02.000 That motherfucker could take punishment. 0.99

01:01:04.000 That was a tough gym.

01:01:06.000 That was a tough fight, though.

01:01:07.000 I remember watching that back in the day.

01:01:08.000 Well, Gannon started posting on the underground from the hospital after this fight.

01:01:12.000 Damn, man.

01:01:12.000 Oh, really?

01:01:13.000 I watched this shit live on the internet.

01:01:14.000 It was like a pay-per-view stream.

01:01:15.000 I heard he lost his job because of that.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, he did.

01:01:18.000 Something happened.

01:01:19.000 He got demoted or he got in trouble, something, but he was a cop.

01:01:23.000 That is the last motherfucker you want arresting you.

01:01:27.000 He's just so tough, man.

01:01:28.000 Because Kimbo Slice hit him with some bombs.

01:01:31.000 His face was completely swollen and bloody by the end of the fight.

01:01:34.000 But that dude had just no give up in him.

01:01:37.000 And plus, he had been used to MMA.

01:01:40.000 You know, he had been used to fighting with better gloves.

01:01:42.000 Not only that, pacing himself.

01:01:45.000 Kimbo's just fighting dudes and smashing them, you know?

01:01:47.000 He just jumped out of the gate on him.

01:01:49.000 Kimbo obviously had some good punching skills, but as far as his defense and as far as his ability to pace himself, he was really way outclassed.

01:01:59.000 And Gannon started tuning him up with body shots.

01:02:02.000 And slowly but surely, he starts beating him down.

01:02:05.000 And by the end, it's absolutely brutal because they're giving him these crazy counts, too.

01:02:08.000 They gave him like a 30 count or some shit like that.

01:02:11.000 And when the guy goes down, you don't follow him like an MMA.

01:02:14.000 You got to let him get back up.

01:02:16.000 But, I mean, he could have died easily.

01:02:18.000 Kimbo is absolutely exhausted and he's getting just force-fed knuckle sandwiches.

01:02:24.000 But this was a perfect indication that although he became famous on the internet, like he had a lot of growth to be fighting guys in the UFC.

01:02:34.000 Guys like Brandon Lee Hinkle, like national class wrestlers.

01:02:38.000 You're not getting up off your back, son.

01:02:40.000 That guy gets you down.

01:02:41.000 You're eating elbows.

01:02:42.000 Yeah, you're not getting up.

01:02:44.000 It's a terrible type of matchup.

01:02:46.000 And so Gannon went in there against those guys, too.

01:02:48.000 He fought Brandon Lee Hinkel in the Octagon.

01:02:52.000 And Kimbo fought, you know, he fought quite a few guys.

01:02:55.000 He actually did well.

01:02:57.000 He got better.

01:02:58.000 We just still, these guys have so many years on him.

01:02:58.000 He got better.

01:03:00.000 He had some bad knees, too.

01:03:02.000 Kimbo had some serious arthritis in his knees.

01:03:06.000 You know what's crazy, little man?

01:03:07.000 People never died on the wars.

01:03:09.000 Like, I remember I was backstage.

01:03:11.000 Did you ever go to Draka?

01:03:13.000 Yeah, I went to Draca.

01:03:14.000 We had the Olympic Auditorium.

01:03:15.000 I was like in high school.

01:03:15.000 Yeah.

01:03:16.000 But I'll go there and Kung Lee would fight.

01:03:18.000 I was at one one time and a guy from France fought.

01:03:21.000 And like an hour later, they said, oh, he died.

01:03:23.000 Whoa.

01:03:24.000 And it was like, what the fuck?

01:03:25.000 Nothing happened.

01:03:25.000 It was like, you know what I mean?

01:03:26.000 It wasn't like that where you think, oh, someone dies, you wouldn't be surprised.

01:03:30.000 It's always those kind of weird fights.

01:03:30.000 Nothing happened.

01:03:32.000 They just die.

01:03:32.000 People just die.

01:03:33.000 But the war is like, they're fine, you know? 0.82

01:03:35.000 Well, they say that most of the people who die cut weight.

01:03:38.000 They say that, yeah, most of the serious issues of brain death and real serious brain damage from a fight happens in the weight classes below heavyweight.

01:03:49.000 But there was a recent fight on HBO where a guy wound up in the hospital with swelling on the blade, some Russian dude.

01:03:54.000 It was a ferocious beating.

01:03:56.000 And it was a heavyweight fight.

01:03:58.000 It was a heavyweight fight.

01:03:59.000 This Cuban Olympian, and he just beat the fucking shit out of this Russian dude.

01:04:03.000 And the Russian dude was just unbelievably tough, just kept coming. 1.00

01:04:06.000 And his face was like swollen out to here by the end of the fight.

01:04:08.000 And apparently he had some like serious brain swelling after the fight.

01:04:11.000 And his career is done.

01:04:13.000 Yeah, this is Sean Gannon after that.

01:04:15.000 I thought that was crazy.

01:04:15.000 Oh, God, that's nuts.

01:04:17.000 That face is nuts.

01:04:19.000 And that's the winner.

01:04:20.000 Dude, that's how Shamac looked like after he fought Tito the first time.

01:04:23.000 I was there, Josh.

01:04:23.000 Yeah.

01:04:24.000 I was feeding him ice cream in the hotel room.

01:04:26.000 Yeah.

01:04:27.000 Because I drove with him and he was fucking...

01:04:30.000 He got beat up.

01:04:32.000 He fought that fight with a torn ACL too, right?

01:04:34.000 Yeah.

01:04:34.000 I mean, fighting a guy like Tito with a torn ACL.

01:04:36.000 And Tito was Tito back then, too.

01:04:38.000 That was when Tito was on fire, yeah.

01:04:39.000 Dude, Tito had, in my opinion, still to this day, has some of the best ground and pound from inside a guard because he didn't even bother passing the guard.

01:04:46.000 You weren't going to control his posture.

01:04:48.000 He wasn't going to let you.

01:04:49.000 And he was just dropping elbows on you, smashing you from the top.

01:04:52.000 Yeah, he battered Kenneth.

01:04:54.000 He had, like, a lot of people could learn.

01:04:56.000 Like, there was a lot of people that thought they had good guards, and they'd fight Tito, and you get stuck in between.

01:05:00.000 You know, he was smashing guys from their guard.

01:05:02.000 The guard didn't mean shit to Tito.

01:05:04.000 He never even got close to getting caught.

01:05:05.000 Not in the guard.

01:05:06.000 I don't remember him getting caught ever.

01:05:07.000 He doesn't get enough credit, that guy.

01:05:09.000 A lot of it is because of things he says.

01:05:11.000 A lot of it is little fuck-ups here and there that he's done.

01:05:14.000 But as a fighter, just because he couldn't beat Chuck, Tito is still a great fighter.

01:05:20.000 Tito, he doesn't get nearly enough credit.

01:05:22.000 Especially, I think he has some of the best ground and pound ever.

01:05:26.000 Everyone, once you lose, and you suck.

01:05:31.000 He sucks.

01:05:32.000 It's just easy.

01:05:32.000 He sucks.

01:05:33.000 It's easy to shit on him.

01:05:34.000 You know, that's the thing, that's like sports shit, too.

01:05:37.000 Sports radio, they love to shit on players.

01:05:41.000 The guy drops the ball.

01:05:42.000 He's a fucking bum. 0.98

01:05:43.000 They love to do that.

01:05:44.000 They stand it.

01:05:45.000 They try to apply that shit to fighting. 0.98

01:05:47.000 And then you're dealing with a way more personal subject, you know?

01:05:51.000 The guy's a pussy. 1.00

01:05:52.000 He's scared of Junior Dos Santos.

01:05:54.000 Let's come out and say it.

01:05:54.000 Let's just say it.

01:05:55.000 Why are you talking like that?

01:05:58.000 What are you saying?

01:05:59.000 How about you get in there, stupid?

01:06:00.000 Yeah, no.

01:06:01.000 You wouldn't be scared for Junior Dos Santos to punch you in the face?

01:06:04.000 You'd have to be crazy to not be scared.

01:06:06.000 Dude, I can't even...

01:06:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:11.000 Like, they're fucking...

01:06:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:06:15.000 Do you find that drunk, especially drunk white guys, try to talk extra tough if they're watching MMA around you?

01:06:21.000 Oh, yeah, dude.

01:06:25.000 It's like drunk guys, sober people don't come with you as much.

01:06:25.000 I don't know.

01:06:30.000 Drunk, they'll come with you right away.

01:06:31.000 But it's always, they want to tell stories of fights and fights.

01:06:35.000 No, I do not want to talk about fighting.

01:06:37.000 I do not give a fuck about fighting.

01:06:39.000 I guess they feel like that's all you could relate to.

01:06:40.000 Yeah, it's like, dude, I fucking train all day.

01:06:42.000 I don't care about fighting.

01:06:43.000 I don't want to watch a fight.

01:06:44.000 I don't want to talk about fighting.

01:06:45.000 Like, this is talking about that girl's ass. 1.00

01:06:46.000 I have a friend.

01:06:47.000 I have a friend, and her boyfriend doesn't know anything about martial arts.

01:06:52.000 He's never trained a day in his life.

01:06:54.000 And he likes to watch fights.

01:06:55.000 But when he watches fights, he starts getting all aggressive and saying crazy shit.

01:07:01.000 And she gets mad.

01:07:03.000 She's like, this guy's a fucking pussy. 1.00

01:07:04.000 I'd kick this fucking guy's ass.

01:07:06.000 This guy's a pussy. 1.00

01:07:07.000 And she's like, will you shut the fuck up? 1.00

01:07:08.000 You ain't kicking nobody's ass.

01:07:09.000 Like, why are you saying that?

01:07:10.000 Do you know how annoying that is?

01:07:12.000 Dude, it's the worst.

01:07:13.000 I can beat this fucking guy.

01:07:14.000 He's got sucks.

01:07:15.000 Why are you saying that?

01:07:16.000 He doesn't suck, man.

01:07:17.000 The perspective.

01:07:18.000 Why doesn't he get up?

01:07:20.000 The fucker's holding him down.

01:07:22.000 Like, you don't think he wants to get up?

01:07:24.000 He's just laying there for fucking.

01:07:25.000 He can't.

01:07:25.000 He wants to get up.

01:07:26.000 Fuck, man.

01:07:26.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.000 Why does he just knock him out?

01:07:29.000 He's trying to knock him out.

01:07:30.000 What do you mean, why does he knock him out?

01:07:32.000 It's so frustrating hearing people critique fights when they have no idea what they're talking about.

01:07:36.000 Nobody's ever hit them.

01:07:37.000 You know, like, that was a nothing punch.

01:07:39.000 Like, what are you talking about?

01:07:40.000 Look at the punch he knocked.

01:07:41.000 Like, someone's telling me about the Chris Wideman.

01:07:43.000 Dude, Chris Wideman and Anderson Silva looked like a fixed fight to me, bro.

01:07:46.000 That was a nothing punch.

01:07:48.000 He caught him perfectly on the end of the chin.

01:07:50.000 Like, has anybody ever hit you on the end of your chin?

01:07:52.000 Let me tell you what happens.

01:07:53.000 Your legs just go wee-wee.

01:07:54.000 They just give it out.

01:07:56.000 You know, knockouts are weird. 1.00

01:07:56.000 Like, you remember when Lawler fought Lawler and Diaz? 1.00

01:08:00.000 Yes.

01:08:01.000 They were slugging it out, and the one that knocked him out was a weak, I mean, like a little tip.

01:08:06.000 It was a weird right hook.

01:08:07.000 Yeah, it was like a softer one.

01:08:08.000 It looks like nothing, but it knocked him out.

01:08:09.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 I've been hit hard as hell by heavyweights in the gym, fine.

01:08:13.000 And I've been dropped by little guys.

01:08:15.000 Because if it hits you in the right spot, you're just done.

01:08:18.000 Yeah, it's weird sometimes where a punch doesn't look like it should knock you out.

01:08:22.000 Like, remember when Henzo Gracie fought Dan Henderson?

01:08:24.000 Henzo is trying to shoot in on Dan to try to take him to the ground.

01:08:27.000 And Dan uppercut him.

01:08:28.000 He hits him.

01:08:29.000 He has like an uppercut, almost like his wrist.

01:08:32.000 And Henzo went out.

01:08:34.000 And like Sokaju versus Lil Nog, same shit.

01:08:37.000 He hit him with a punch, but he didn't even land the punch.

01:08:39.000 He hit him with his wrist and he knocked him out.

01:08:42.000 You know, that's why like people like, I use the term lucky punch.

01:08:46.000 I don't care how I use it.

01:08:47.000 People say, there's no lucky because he threw it.

01:08:49.000 Yeah, guess what, though?

01:08:50.000 He threw 65 hard ones that didn't do shit.

01:08:53.000 And the soft one knocked him out.

01:08:55.000 It's a lucky punch.

01:08:56.000 You know, I've seen guys where, like, I'm beating you up the whole fight.

01:08:59.000 It's the last minute left.

01:09:00.000 And you close your eyes and the overhand right knocked me out. 0.85

01:09:02.000 It's a lucky punch.

01:09:03.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:04.000 Like, such things.

01:09:05.000 Sort of.

01:09:06.000 But then again, okay, here's a perfect example.

01:09:07.000 Like Marcus Davis and Jeremy Stevens.

01:09:10.000 Marcus Davis was outboxing Jeremy Stevens.

01:09:13.000 But Jeremy Stevens landed a few good shots, but not enough to put him away.

01:09:17.000 And then finally in the third round, hit him with just his Haymaker from Jupiter and landed right on his chin. 0.99

01:09:23.000 And Marcus was stretched.

01:09:24.000 He was out cold.

01:09:25.000 But I mean, he hit him with all these punches before.

01:09:27.000 It didn't do it.

01:09:28.000 But he was looking for that perfect punch.

01:09:30.000 So that's not a lucky punch.

01:09:31.000 But you know, but sometimes there are there.

01:09:33.000 There's a few.

01:09:34.000 Yeah.

01:09:34.000 And it's like, fuck, like, weird shit happens.

01:09:37.000 When Matt Hughes fought Matt Sarah, they collided heads.

01:09:39.000 And Matt Hughes went down.

01:09:40.000 He thought he got punched.

01:09:42.000 But it was like a headbutt that dropped.

01:09:43.000 And he went to the corner.

01:09:44.000 He's like, what hit me?

01:09:45.000 Did I get dropped?

01:09:46.000 And they thought he got hit by a punch.

01:09:48.000 But we watched it in the replay.

01:09:49.000 You could see they collide heads and he gets dropped from that.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, you know, there's a, and that's why I think stand-up's a little more shaky because there's more luck in stand-up than there is in the wrestling and jitsu.

01:10:01.000 There's also more, what's important is like things that you're physically born with, like reach and athleticism and fast twitch muscle fibers.

01:10:08.000 They come into play way more with stand-up.

01:10:10.000 Whereas a guy can get real good.

01:10:12.000 If you teach a guy the fundamentals of striking and he's a long, tall guy, you know, he could get real good, real effective real quick, as opposed to a short, fat, white guy who's got short-ass arms.

01:10:24.000 you're fucked, man. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Like, the physical...

01:10:33.000 He could just run around that dude, tie him up in a knot, and do whatever he wants to him.

01:10:37.000 So you can get like a black belt in striking.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, you don't have to be as athletic.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:43.000 But that's a weird thing, too.

01:10:44.000 Like with me and Bruin were talking about it.

01:10:48.000 At the end of the day, everything's genetics.

01:10:50.000 Like we know right away, the racehorse is bloodline.

01:10:53.000 The fighting dog is bloodline.

01:10:55.000 The fighting rooster is bloodline.

01:10:56.000 It's all bloodline.

01:10:57.000 Those are the best animals.

01:10:58.000 We're a fucking animal.

01:10:59.000 So like it comes a lot.

01:11:00.000 Like some guys are freaks.

01:11:01.000 Why are they freaks?

01:11:02.000 Because they have genetically, they're magic.

01:11:05.000 So it's like BJ Penn.

01:11:05.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:08.000 I don't know.

01:11:09.000 George Foreman.

01:11:09.000 Yeah.

01:11:10.000 These guys are just fucking freaks.

01:11:11.000 So you know, you want to get so good, dude.

01:11:15.000 It's like, it's like, to me, like Jeremy Horn is an example of someone that's a great fighter, really technical.

01:11:20.000 He went as far as he could go off skill and effort, but he never had the athleticism.

01:11:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:27.000 Yeah.

01:11:27.000 Where if you put that skill into St. Pierre or GJ Pen, they would have killed everyone.

01:11:32.000 Yeah.

01:11:32.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:33.000 Genetics is a lot.

01:11:35.000 That's why the perfect storm is a guy like GSP who has the genetics and works like a motherfucker and is smart.

01:11:41.000 And Most guys that have the genetics are lazy like BJ.

01:11:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:44.000 Yeah.

01:11:45.000 Well, it's interesting seeing BJ come back now because BJ's going to fight at 145 and he's already down to like 155.

01:11:51.000 He's already in the 50s.

01:11:52.000 I've seen pictures of him.

01:11:53.000 He's skinny as shit.

01:11:54.000 It's crazy.

01:11:55.000 It's just, I don't know like those last few fights, like the Nick Diaz fight and the Rory McDonald fight, like what kind of a beating you took in those fights.

01:12:03.000 Those fights were like first round effort and then shut down.

01:12:06.000 And then it was like he was trying to win, but he was basically on survival mode for rounds two and three.

01:12:11.000 There were two fights he should have never taken.

01:12:13.000 Nah.

01:12:13.000 Against 170s.

01:12:15.000 I mean, but the fact that he's now at 145 is just so crazy that he just is so extreme.

01:12:20.000 Goes from, I'm not going to cut weight, I'm just going to fight anybody at 170, and then I'm fighting at 145.

01:12:25.000 Like, that's a giant difference.

01:12:28.000 Yeah.

01:12:29.000 Yeah.

01:12:30.000 But he's one guy that I think maybe should be lighter.

01:12:34.000 Other guys cut weight, and it's like, dude, it's not the answer.

01:12:38.000 Like, anyways, like, why don't you go to 55s?

01:12:41.000 Because I don't think I'm going to do better at 55s.

01:12:44.000 We're now at 187, and I'm fucking lean.

01:12:46.000 55s, could I make it?

01:12:48.000 Yeah, I could.

01:12:49.000 But am I going to be better there?

01:12:50.000 I don't think so.

01:12:51.000 I don't think it's always the cure.

01:12:52.000 Alessio leaves you really weak.

01:12:54.000 I was just talking to John Alessio.

01:12:55.000 We sparred yesterday.

01:12:56.000 And I said, man, are you going to stay at 55s?

01:12:59.000 He's like, fuck, I don't know, man.

01:13:00.000 He said that at 170, he was always small.

01:13:02.000 Alessio in shape was like 175, perfectly in shape.

01:13:06.000 I went to 55s.

01:13:06.000 But he was like, I'm small.

01:13:07.000 He said, at 70, no one ever muscled me around.

01:13:10.000 At 55s, I feel like I'm getting manahandled.

01:13:12.000 Just because he's weak from the power.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, yeah, you know, so it isn't always the cure.

01:13:15.000 Everybody wants to go lower and lower and lower and lower and lower.

01:13:17.000 But I don't think it's...

01:13:20.000 Kane's 240 with a little fat on him, and he beats the fuck out of everybody.

01:13:23.000 The best heavyweights are small.

01:13:24.000 Look at Fedora was small.

01:13:26.000 Kane's small.

01:13:27.000 Randy was tiny.

01:13:28.000 Yep.

01:13:28.000 And they're fighting giants.

01:13:29.000 So if I'm fighting a 170 and a guy's 10, 12 pounds heavier than me, it ain't the heavyweights.

01:13:35.000 They're 30 pounds heavier.

01:13:36.000 They're fine, you know?

01:13:36.000 Well, the thing about those really big heavyweights is they can't keep the pace.

01:13:39.000 They just can't keep that kind of a pace.

01:13:41.000 You saw with Shane Carwin, saw it with Brock Lesnar, see with Alistair.

01:13:45.000 They can't keep that pace.

01:13:46.000 There's too much muscle to feed.

01:13:47.000 You can't keep that Cain Velasquez pace.

01:13:50.000 People think our hearts and lungs are kind of all the same size.

01:13:54.000 Your body might be bigger, but we have the same size heart and lung.

01:13:57.000 We got to feed that muscle, you know?

01:13:59.000 That's a weird thing that people don't really understand.

01:14:01.000 They see a guy, they go, well, you know, he's just got to get in better shape.

01:14:04.000 You know, he got a fucking 500 horsepower engine.

01:14:07.000 He's got three gallons of gas.

01:14:08.000 That's just what you got.

01:14:09.000 Your heart and lungs or your uniform, you know?

01:14:12.000 Yeah.

01:14:12.000 Don't matter how big you are.

01:14:13.000 It's like a ween, dude.

01:14:15.000 A giant guy doesn't have a huge dick, guaranteed.

01:14:17.000 It's true.

01:14:18.000 But it would be giant in comparison, most likely.

01:14:18.000 It doesn't go.

01:14:20.000 Maybe.

01:14:21.000 Like Shaquille O'Neal.

01:14:22.000 Someone told me he had a little dick.

01:14:23.000 I told him to shut the fuck up.

01:14:24.000 First of all, you got to show me a picture.

01:14:25.000 You can't just talk shit like that.

01:14:27.000 And second of all, little dick compared to what?

01:14:29.000 But see, like, so imagine if Shaquille O'Neal is so humongous, like, say he had an eight-inch dick, big dick.

01:14:35.000 It's going to be like tiny on Shaquille O'Neal.

01:14:37.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:38.000 Like, he has to have like a 15-inch dick to make it look normal.

01:14:40.000 It's true.

01:14:41.000 It's true.

01:14:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:14:42.000 But, you know, lungs, hearts, and dicks, it doesn't matter how big you are.

01:14:46.000 Well, big guys have bigger lungs, don't they?

01:14:49.000 I mean, you must.

01:14:50.000 You must have a larger heart, too.

01:14:51.000 I don't think it's that much bigger.

01:14:53.000 I don't know.

01:14:54.000 A guy like Shaquille O'Neal, I mean, Tony Hinchlick.

01:14:56.000 They say it's the size of bigger lungs.

01:14:58.000 They say it's the size of your fist, right?

01:14:59.000 Right.

01:15:00.000 Well, your fist can't be that much bigger.

01:15:01.000 Maybe it's a little bigger.

01:15:03.000 But 50, 60 pounds heavier.

01:15:06.000 Well, that sucks for people with little hands and they got little ass hearts. 1.00

01:15:09.000 Because you know how some dudes, you see their fists and you're like, wow, this is crazy.

01:15:13.000 I don't poke it.

01:15:14.000 I don't know if it's true, but it can't.

01:15:14.000 That's always what I hear.

01:15:16.000 I think they're about the same size as the hearts.

01:15:18.000 Well, either way, there's not that much of a variation, and the amount of variation in muscle mass that people put on is pretty huge.

01:15:23.000 Yeah, like if I'm 175, my cardio is getting better.

01:15:27.000 Then if I'm fucking 235, I'll be able to like...

01:15:37.000 There's a few guys that like break those rules.

01:15:39.000 Even Monson.

01:15:40.000 Even Monson has good cardio.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, not bad.

01:15:43.000 Monson's been in the game so long, he can relax.

01:15:46.000 And that's a big part of fighting is just being able to relax.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, it's brain.

01:15:51.000 Brain's most of your cardio.

01:15:53.000 Keeping your mind.

01:15:54.000 Like, for example, my Navy Seal friend, right?

01:15:56.000 He has the obstacle course record at Buds.

01:15:59.000 He can do any snowshoe marathons.

01:16:02.000 He can do crazy all kinds of circuits, beat everybody, right?

01:16:04.000 But if spar him one five-minute round, he's going to die.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, isn't it funny?

01:16:09.000 Yeah, I'm like, dude, but he could wrestle.

01:16:11.000 He could wrestle all day.

01:16:13.000 But as soon as there's punching involved, five minutes.

01:16:16.000 It tightens up.

01:16:16.000 He's dead.

01:16:17.000 Dude, you can run a snowshoe marathon.

01:16:20.000 You can't fucking spar.

01:16:21.000 You're dead.

01:16:22.000 Brain is everything.

01:16:23.000 Well, Nick Diaz had the best style for that, getting guys exhausted because he wouldn't let them breathe.

01:16:28.000 And that's what people don't understand.

01:16:30.000 When someone's punching you, even if it's little punches, you can't relax.

01:16:34.000 You need to relax.

01:16:35.000 So you're holding your breath all the time he's hitting you.

01:16:39.000 Within 30 seconds of that, you're fucking exhausted.

01:16:42.000 And all those little 50% punches start adding up.

01:16:46.000 Dude, Nick Diaz is a nightmare.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, Nick is one of the biggest nightmares ever.

01:16:50.000 He's probably the last person I want to fight.

01:16:52.000 If I said, you want to fight St. Pierre, Diaz, St. Pierre all day.

01:16:55.000 Really?

01:16:56.000 Yeah, Diaz is just, from my style, at least it's a nightmare.

01:17:00.000 I don't know, man.

01:17:02.000 I don't like to go backwards.

01:17:03.000 I like to go forward.

01:17:04.000 And with him, he goes forward too much and he's too good at it.

01:17:07.000 He's a nightmare to me.

01:17:08.000 He revolutionized, in my opinion, that style of striking.

01:17:12.000 You never saw that before.

01:17:13.000 Guys are throwing 50% punches and just staying on you and just hitting you with volume.

01:17:18.000 Yeah.

01:17:18.000 It's crazy.

01:17:20.000 That was the style that didn't exist before.

01:17:22.000 It looks like dumb.

01:17:23.000 Yeah.

01:17:24.000 But it kicks ass.

01:17:24.000 It looks weird.

01:17:26.000 When you saw guys melt, like Frank Shamrock.

01:17:29.000 Frank Shamrock melted.

01:17:31.000 He just melted under that barrage and he's talking shit and Frank can't breathe and he's punched him in the face.

01:17:35.000 What bitch? 1.00

01:17:36.000 Eat that bitch. 1.00

01:17:36.000 What bitch? 1.00

01:17:37.000 And he's knuckle sandwiching him, kicking his ass.

01:17:40.000 And then Frank can't believe that he's getting his ass kicked and he's getting talked shit to like this on TV.

01:17:46.000 And he realizes, I'm not going to beat this fucking guy.

01:17:48.000 And he can't breathe.

01:17:49.000 Because he's not getting any breath because Nick's hitting him with 30, 40 fucking punches a minute.

01:17:53.000 Just he has a difficult style to deal with.

01:17:58.000 Yeah, he's throwing 150 punches, hitting you with 30.

01:18:01.000 The only thing with Nick is like, like CM Perry beat him easier because Nick's weakness is wrestling.

01:18:08.000 As long as you can stato his missions, you'd be fine if you can wrestle him down, you know?

01:18:10.000 Yeah.

01:18:11.000 but on the feet, man, nightmare.

01:18:13.000 Nasty body shots, too.

01:18:14.000 I was going to say, it's like 30 of his punches are going to be hard punches to the body.

01:18:18.000 And he throws those vicious hooks to the body and lulls you to sleep with a few pity pats and then boom, boom, the hooks to the body.

01:18:27.000 The Paul Daly fight's another perfect example of that.

01:18:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:18:30.000 And he could, that's the other thing about Nick is that he'd take a fucking serious punch.

01:18:34.000 Do you see him?

01:18:34.000 He'll be pitter pattering.

01:18:36.000 Mm-hmm.

01:18:36.000 Get cracked.

01:18:38.000 Go right back.

01:18:38.000 He doesn't care.

01:18:39.000 He's right back there.

01:18:40.000 Just lets you know.

01:18:40.000 So what?

01:18:41.000 So what, bitch? 1.00

01:18:41.000 So you hit me, bitch. 1.00

01:18:43.000 You know, and then you see him stand there, hands down.

01:18:45.000 Like when he fought Carlos Condent and he literally bitch slapped him. 0.99

01:18:48.000 He just opened palms, slapped him in the face.

01:18:51.000 I mean, who does that?

01:18:52.000 Who talks so much shit?

01:18:54.000 I love Nicky Elzer.

01:18:55.000 He's one of my favorites of all time.

01:18:56.000 One of my favorites.

01:18:59.000 It's interesting to see different styles and how those styles play out and see if people could find a solution.

01:19:05.000 You know, George found a solution to that style, but never came close to finishing them and never really put him in danger.

01:19:11.000 It was like a very safety-first version of that.

01:19:14.000 Yeah.

01:19:14.000 You know who I'm happy about?

01:19:15.000 It's Lawler, dude.

01:19:16.000 Yeah.

01:19:17.000 What a resurgence.

01:19:18.000 I'm happy him for him to come back.

01:19:19.000 It's awesome.

01:19:20.000 I don't know where.

01:19:21.000 I never thought he was going to make come back like that.

01:19:23.000 He's smashing everyone.

01:19:24.000 Dude, see if you can find online Robbie Lawler versus Melvin Manhoof.

01:19:28.000 That's my favorite Robbie Lawler fight.

01:19:30.000 That was in Strike Force.

01:19:31.000 Manhoof's a scary dude.

01:19:32.000 Oh, first of all, the dude's the blackest man on the planet. 0.90

01:19:36.000 Okay.

01:19:36.000 He's black as coal.

01:19:38.000 He's built like a fucking superhero.

01:19:40.000 He throws the nastiest kicks and punches.

01:19:43.000 He's the only guy to ever knock Mark Hunt out in the first round with one punch, and he's 185 pounds, which is fucking crazy.

01:19:50.000 They fought in MMA.

01:19:52.000 Mark Hunt shot in on him.

01:19:54.000 I mean, that tells you how fucking scary Melvin Manhoef is.

01:19:57.000 He's just a spring, just a steel spring, just coiled back, ready to fucking explode on you.

01:20:03.000 So anyway, he's teeing off on Robbie Lawler, fucking up his legs.

01:20:08.000 Robbie's not checking any of these kicks, and he's hitting him with these inside low kicks that got Robbie's legs literally flying up in the air.

01:20:15.000 And then, boom, Robbie uncorks this haymaker, losing every minute of the fight up until the moment he uncorks his punch, and Melvin's eyes just roll way back into his head, and that's the end of it.

01:20:28.000 Yeah, this is the fight right here.

01:20:31.000 This is one of my all-time favorite Robbie Lawler fights because he was getting, see how his legs are flying up in the air?

01:20:37.000 And Melvin Manhoof is one of the best kickboxers.

01:20:41.000 Boom! 0.99

01:20:41.000 There it is. 0.99

01:20:44.000 One of the best kickboxers to come out of one of the best gyms.

01:20:47.000 He was one of the guys from Mike's gym, whereas that's where Auster started training recently when he rebuilt himself.

01:20:55.000 Mike is responsible for Bader Hari. 0.93

01:20:57.000 He's got Gokan Saki over there.

01:20:59.000 A lot of those high-level, high-level guys from Holland.

01:21:03.000 I think of Gokan Saka.

01:21:04.000 Is Gokan Saki Golden Glory?

01:21:05.000 No, I don't know.

01:21:07.000 Either way, badass fighters over there, but Robbie Lawler, he always has that one-punch power.

01:21:12.000 Yeah, and he's durable and tough.

01:21:14.000 And he doesn't give a fuck.

01:21:16.000 Legitimately doesn't give a fuck.

01:21:17.000 Dana told me they called Robbie Lawler, told him you got a title shot against Johnny Hendrix for the wealthy way title.

01:21:23.000 He goes, cool.

01:21:25.000 That's it.

01:21:26.000 You know what, dude?

01:21:27.000 He's a nice guy.

01:21:28.000 But to me, he's kind of like a bimbo. 1.00

01:21:28.000 I like him. 1.00

01:21:32.000 That's how I describe him.

01:21:34.000 He's simple and so nice.

01:21:36.000 He's like a bimbo, like airhead. 1.00

01:21:38.000 That's funny.

01:21:39.000 I don't know.

01:21:39.000 That's what I always got off of him, you know?

01:21:41.000 I've had conversations with him.

01:21:42.000 He's not stupid.

01:21:43.000 No, he's not stupid, but he's just quiet and real nice.

01:21:48.000 I don't know.

01:21:48.000 He's kind of like a bimbo.

01:21:50.000 I never talked to him that much.

01:21:52.000 I know what you're saying, but that's just perceptions.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, I never talked to him for a long time.

01:21:57.000 He was one of the coaches for Ultra Fighter when I was on there.

01:21:59.000 Oh, really?

01:21:59.000 Other team.

01:22:00.000 So he was real nice and like, he just seemed like, you know.

01:22:02.000 Yeah, what team were you on?

01:22:04.000 You were on Sarah and he was on Hughes.

01:22:04.000 I was on Sarah.

01:22:06.000 But he's like, because Brony would always tell me back, Brony would tell me that Laura doesn't spar.

01:22:10.000 I'm like, you're right, dude.

01:22:11.000 Laws probably always doesn't spar. 0.99

01:22:12.000 He's a striker.

01:22:13.000 So when I asked him on the show, like, hey, you spar, he's like, he's like, no, man, why would I spar?

01:22:17.000 He's like, I know how to fight.

01:22:19.000 I don't know spar.

01:22:20.000 I just wrestle.

01:22:21.000 I'm like, what?

01:22:21.000 Are you serious, dude?

01:22:22.000 He's like, yeah, man, I wrestle and I run.

01:22:24.000 I lift weights.

01:22:25.000 But he's like, I don't spar.

01:22:26.000 I know how to fight already.

01:22:27.000 Why would I spar?

01:22:28.000 The way he said it was just funny.

01:22:29.000 I was like, it just seemed like a just like a rock.

01:22:34.000 That's how I see it.

01:22:35.000 I was like, but he's a nice guy, but he's a tough asteroid.

01:22:38.000 But you told me he doesn't spar.

01:22:40.000 But what do you think about that?

01:22:41.000 Because is that maybe a way to do it?

01:22:44.000 Like, you don't take any damage.

01:22:45.000 So you go into a fight and you haven't been hit at all.

01:22:48.000 You know how to hit people and you know how to get hit.

01:22:51.000 You've been doing it for years.

01:22:52.000 If you just stop now, how much timing would you lose if you did like a lot of mitt work and you just concentrated on drills with a real good striking coach?

01:23:01.000 I wouldn't do it because I know the only way for me to judge is by jail.

01:23:04.000 When I came out of jail, like the first like couple weeks, a few weeks of sparring, I'm like flinchy and like, I'm like flexing.

01:23:12.000 But you didn't get to do anything in jail though, right?

01:23:14.000 Yeah, all I could do there was shadow box and like push-ups and squat.

01:23:18.000 I couldn't really work out.

01:23:20.000 I don't know.

01:23:21.000 That's crazy.

01:23:21.000 I wouldn't do it.

01:23:22.000 Like me, I spar only once a week, just Tuesdays.

01:23:25.000 And like with the little girls, like I said, and that's it.

01:23:28.000 I used to do three days a week.

01:23:29.000 More guys do three days a week, but it's too much, I think.

01:23:31.000 I don't think you need to do that much.

01:23:32.000 Yeah, there's this point of diminishing returns, especially with taking shots.

01:23:36.000 Everyone gets hurt in practice.

01:23:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:38.000 So I'd spend more time doing other stuff that's less dangerous and running and stuff like that.

01:23:45.000 Because I think in the beginning, when you're new, I think it's important to spar because you need to get comfortable.

01:23:51.000 But once you get comfortable, it's less important because you're relaxed and you're not nervous no more and stuff.

01:23:57.000 So much of it is also dependent upon finding people that you could trust to spar with.

01:24:02.000 When I first moved to Hollywood in 94, I was training at the Jet Center and a bunch of real cool guys there.

01:24:10.000 And there was a bunch of real cool guys to spar with.

01:24:12.000 There's this one dude in particular.

01:24:14.000 I forget his name.

01:24:14.000 I think his name was Ed.

01:24:15.000 I forget.

01:24:16.000 But he was an older dude.

01:24:17.000 Me and that dude used to spar all the time because I knew that he would never try to tee off on me.

01:24:21.000 And he knew that I would never try to tee off on him.

01:24:23.000 Everything was like 50% always.

01:24:26.000 He was never, you know, some dudes will 50% you and then hit you with some shit.

01:24:30.000 Be like, come on, man.

01:24:30.000 What are we doing here?

01:24:31.000 Are we fighting?

01:24:32.000 Are we sparring?

01:24:33.000 And the next thing you're trying to get him back, next thing you know, you're in a war.

01:24:35.000 Brawling.

01:24:36.000 Brawling.

01:24:36.000 And fucking your brain out.

01:24:38.000 You know, I don't believe that you need to spar hard.

01:24:40.000 I don't think so either.

01:24:41.000 What I was going to say is this: I got better with this guy.

01:24:44.000 My sparring got sharper.

01:24:45.000 My reflexes got sharper because I was constantly sparring with this dude where I wasn't worried about getting knocked out in our training sessions.

01:24:52.000 You know, either you're tough or you're not, dude.

01:24:55.000 So you're going to get hit and you're going to be a puss or you're going to get hit and you're going to take it. 0.99

01:25:00.000 So by that standard, you think Robbie Lawrence got a point?

01:25:02.000 You think maybe his style of not sparring at all is going to be a good idea?

01:25:06.000 For him.

01:25:07.000 Yeah, well, that's it, right?

01:25:07.000 For him.

01:25:08.000 You got to find what works for you.

01:25:10.000 You know, like some guys I think you could get away with it more than others, but I wouldn't feel confident doing it.

01:25:16.000 I've never heard the one that was doing that, except for him.

01:25:18.000 Yeah, I wonder what, I mean, who knows?

01:25:20.000 He might just be bullshitting.

01:25:21.000 He might like to spread rumors.

01:25:23.000 But he was living with Brony for a little bit in Vegas, like way back in the day.

01:25:26.000 So Brony said that he didn't spar.

01:25:28.000 And I was like, fucking bullshit, dude.

01:25:30.000 He has to spar.

01:25:30.000 It's probably all he wants to do is spar.

01:25:32.000 So he confirmed it.

01:25:33.000 So I don't know, dude.

01:25:34.000 We have to ask him one time.

01:25:35.000 That's really interesting, man.

01:25:36.000 That's really interesting.

01:25:38.000 He's a scary fucking finisher, though.

01:25:40.000 The way he put away Koshak, he fucked Koshka. 1.00

01:25:43.000 I mean, the way he fights, he doesn't need to spar, obviously.

01:25:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:25:47.000 And maybe that'll save his brain in the long run.

01:25:49.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:25:50.000 That's the problem with boxers is that they only punch.

01:25:54.000 So they're getting hit in the head all the time in practice and the fight.

01:25:57.000 So they get more brain damage than us.

01:25:59.000 I'm sparring once a week.

01:26:01.000 And they're like, oh, we should come through because then we can go hard.

01:26:04.000 When you see guys like Meldrick Taylor, does that freak you out?

01:26:10.000 It's scary, dude.

01:26:11.000 It freaks me out, man.

01:26:12.000 I stopped sparring when I was in my 20s.

01:26:14.000 I haven't done any sparring.

01:26:16.000 I'm 46 years old now.

01:26:18.000 And I still wonder if what I did when I was younger.

01:26:21.000 Like, maybe I would have been smarter.

01:26:23.000 Maybe I wouldn't have been so weird.

01:26:24.000 Like, you know, it can't be good to hit in the head.

01:26:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:26.000 It can't be.

01:26:27.000 So, I mean, that's why you got to accept the fact you got to be careful with yourself.

01:26:30.000 And you got to be smart.

01:26:32.000 Like, for example, last week, I was sparring with Evan Dunham.

01:26:36.000 And I shot at the exact same time he kicked.

01:26:41.000 Just like, you know, this fluke accident.

01:26:43.000 Super common, though.

01:26:45.000 And boom, dude, I was on my ass.

01:26:45.000 Yeah.

01:26:47.000 Like, whoa.

01:26:49.000 I was like pretty much almost out, you know?

01:26:51.000 And he's like, sorry, man, bad timing.

01:26:53.000 I know.

01:26:53.000 LA, though.

01:26:54.000 When did this happen?

01:26:54.000 When was this?

01:26:55.000 Last week.

01:26:56.000 Now, what do you do when something like that happens?

01:26:58.000 How much time do you take off of sparring?

01:27:00.000 Depending on how I feel afterwards, but like I took the whole week off, but I was only sparring Tuesdays anyway.

01:27:07.000 But if I would have been dizzier that night, still afterwards and the next day, I wouldn't have sparred for a couple weeks.

01:27:13.000 Because that's how you lose your chin.

01:27:15.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:27:16.000 But then it sucked.

01:27:17.000 Like after that, I was fine.

01:27:20.000 That night I was already fine.

01:27:20.000 So I didn't think it was a big deal.

01:27:22.000 But then on Tuesday, we got this fucking silver medalist, Olympic guy from Denmark, Martin Cammon's buddy.

01:27:30.000 He's a silver medalist and he's a boxer?

01:27:32.000 No, no, no.

01:27:33.000 Cracker Roman wrestler.

01:27:34.000 So I'm sparring with this guy yesterday.

01:27:34.000 Okay.

01:27:36.000 And he stand-up isn't that good yet.

01:27:38.000 So I'm going to softer arms.

01:27:40.000 I don't want to be a dick, you know?

01:27:41.000 But then he took me down with a double leg, and I was getting up on the fence, and that motherfucker suplexed me on my head, dude.

01:27:48.000 And I got rocked pretty good, but it was like, fuck it.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:27:57.000 Every day.

01:27:58.000 But you got to be able to judge.

01:27:59.000 Like, say, if Evan Dunham, that happened in my last round last Tuesday.

01:28:04.000 If that was my first round, I would stop for the day.

01:28:07.000 If you get dropped or knocked out of rock, don't be tough.

01:28:12.000 Fucking take the day off because you're going to do more damage.

01:28:15.000 Your brain has to recover a little bit, you know?

01:28:17.000 Well, not only that, I mean, you really need more than a day.

01:28:19.000 You probably need a long time off, which is kind of fucking crazy.

01:28:22.000 I'm saying at least a week.

01:28:23.000 But I'm saying, like, some guys will get dropped and they'll take like a minute off and spar the next round.

01:28:27.000 Nah, man, you're done for the day.

01:28:29.000 Relax.

01:28:30.000 It ain't going to benefit you.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, I've seen guys get knocked out cold in boxing gyms.

01:28:34.000 Wake up and spar.

01:28:35.000 They spar them later.

01:28:36.000 No, fuck you.

01:28:36.000 And they're like, you got to do it.

01:28:37.000 Yeah, get back on the horse.

01:28:38.000 Don't be scared.

01:28:39.000 Get back on the horse.

01:28:39.000 And you see them spar and they're like, then they get jabbed.

01:28:43.000 They get jabbed in a rock.

01:28:43.000 What's going on?

01:28:45.000 Well, there's been a couple instances in the UFC where guys got knocked out in training camp and they completed their camp and fought.

01:28:50.000 Travis Luter, when he knocked out Marvin Eastman, remember that fight?

01:28:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:56.000 Marvin Eastman got knocked out twice in camp.

01:28:59.000 He was training with Tito and he got knocked out by a knee during a takedown and another time there was something else like during a takedown he got knocked out.

01:29:06.000 So he'd been concussed out cold twice in camp and then fought and Travis Luter caught him with the end of this punch.

01:29:13.000 It was kind of crazy.

01:29:14.000 It was one of the weirdest knockouts ever.

01:29:16.000 Yeah, he caught him like pull that out.

01:29:18.000 Travis Luter versus Martin Keats.

01:29:19.000 Luther's never knocked out anyone in his life.

01:29:21.000 And he's a jutsu guy.

01:29:22.000 Travis Luter versus Marvin Eastman.

01:29:24.000 And Eastman's a beast.

01:29:25.000 Well, you know, Luter could punch.

01:29:26.000 He's a strong dude.

01:29:27.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:29:28.000 I mean, he's a jutsu guy, and Eastman's a striker, so he thought he was going to take him down and try, you know?

01:29:32.000 He's one of, in my opinion, the guys that didn't reach his potential that makes me go, damn.

01:29:38.000 He's fucking lazy.

01:29:39.000 Well, not just lazy, like wouldn't leave his gym, like trained with his students and shit.

01:29:39.000 Lazy.

01:29:44.000 He was smashing Irish and Silva. 0.97

01:29:46.000 And he gassed.

01:29:46.000 Yeah.

01:29:47.000 Yeah, here's Travis right here.

01:29:49.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:29:51.000 We'll show that one more time because it doesn't even make sense.

01:29:53.000 But it's not, like, people, you might think it was fake.

01:29:56.000 Watch this.

01:29:58.000 You're not gonna win by sitting on the floor, one jab, one right hand.

01:30:01.000 There's a better strike to throw.

01:30:02.000 This guy is not gonna take the gun.

01:30:04.000 He hits him with this punch.

01:30:06.000 Here it is.

01:30:07.000 That's crazy.

01:30:09.000 It's like it grazed him at the very end of the punch, and Marvin Eastman had just been so damaged in training that he just went out cold.

01:30:16.000 But Travis Luter was a wicked jiu-jitsu guy.

01:30:19.000 He dominated everybody in the house.

01:30:21.000 When you see when he was fighting on the Ultimate Fighter, dude, his fucking takedowns, his jiu-jitsu was laser sharp, and he fucked up and he fought Anderson Silva.

01:30:30.000 Yes.

01:30:31.000 He lost so much weight, dude.

01:30:32.000 I've never seen a guy so closer to death than the weigh-ins for Travis Luter.

01:30:37.000 He never made the weight.

01:30:38.000 He never made the weight.

01:30:39.000 It was a non-title fight when he fought Anderson.

01:30:39.000 He missed the weights.

01:30:42.000 And when he got on that scale, man, his lips were cracked and bleeding.

01:30:46.000 His face was completely sucked in.

01:30:48.000 There was no water in his body.

01:30:50.000 And he was shuffling.

01:30:51.000 I'll never forget that.

01:30:52.000 He couldn't even walk.

01:30:53.000 He was shuffling towards the scale for his second time.

01:30:56.000 This was after he missed weight on the stage.

01:30:59.000 They weighed him backstage afterwards.

01:31:01.000 He couldn't make the weight.

01:31:02.000 He was off by like a couple pounds, too.

01:31:04.000 It was a mess.

01:31:05.000 There was no way he was going to lose any more weight.

01:31:06.000 He was going to die.

01:31:07.000 And so they changed it to a non-title fight.

01:31:09.000 But if that guy had just earlier in his career had moved to a bigger camp and gone like the Jacksons or American top team or something like that and really got in shape, he would have been a motherfucker.

01:31:20.000 His jiu-jitsu was so strong.

01:31:23.000 He's always seen him die in his cardio.

01:31:25.000 You needed better training guys in his cardio.

01:31:27.000 Yeah.

01:31:28.000 But it was like Guy Metzger was the best ever first-round fighter in the world.

01:31:32.000 Guy was anyone in the first round, you're dead.

01:31:32.000 Yeah.

01:31:35.000 But after that, it's a rap.

01:31:37.000 You get tired, you know?

01:31:38.000 Yeah, well, Guy Metzger, he's another guy that had a real problem.

01:31:42.000 He was taking Vioxx.

01:31:44.000 He was taking some shit for his knees.

01:31:46.000 It was like arthritis shit.

01:31:48.000 They turned out it would give people strokes.

01:31:51.000 And he had a fucking stroke from this medication.

01:31:53.000 Did he?

01:31:54.000 Yeah, dude.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:55.000 He never fought again.

01:31:56.000 But his friends started noticing that he was slurring his words like crazy.

01:32:01.000 And, you know, it was like out of nowhere.

01:32:03.000 And so they urged him to go to a doctor.

01:32:04.000 And he went to a doctor and found out that he had a fucking stroke.

01:32:07.000 I'm pretty sure it was Violet.

01:32:08.000 I'm going to pull this up because I don't want to speak out of, but I remember they pulled that shit.

01:32:13.000 Guy Medzker.

01:32:16.000 That's why it's funny that when they make weed illegal, but all these drugs fuck everybody up.

01:32:21.000 Yeah, no kidding, man.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, man, he did.

01:32:23.000 Okay, that was.

01:32:24.000 It was Vioxx.

01:32:25.000 And he got a fucking stroke.

01:32:25.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 They took him to the hospital.

01:32:30.000 Fucking crazy.

01:32:33.000 Man, I didn't know that.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, you got to be careful.

01:32:36.000 All of those medications that they can give you for things like arthritis, extreme anti-inflammatory medications like that, they can have an extreme effect on your blood, especially these pharmaceutical ones.

01:32:49.000 They pulled that shit off the market.

01:32:50.000 Yeah, I try to stay away from most all medications.

01:32:54.000 You eat really healthy, man.

01:32:55.000 I watch your Twitter feed for what you eat.

01:32:57.000 You eat almost totally vegan, right?

01:33:00.000 Well, ever since I got out of jail, I started eating...

01:33:06.000 So what happens?

01:33:06.000 I read the China study and I already had a friend that was vegan.

01:33:10.000 And I started reading a lot and it made sense to me.

01:33:13.000 And I believe the study, like a lot of the stats and stuff, and that documentary, forks over knives and stuff.

01:33:19.000 So I gave it a shot.

01:33:20.000 I said, I'll try it out, you know.

01:33:22.000 And I mean, I'm still strong, muscular, whatever.

01:33:24.000 What are you getting your protein from?

01:33:26.000 You say 90% vegan, so it's 10% animal protein?

01:33:29.000 Yeah, basically what I do.

01:33:32.000 So protein is a lot of from, I get, I supplement a lot of powder from like, I like sponsor Garden of Life.

01:33:37.000 That's a great company.

01:33:38.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 I got good stuff.

01:33:40.000 I like their stuff.

01:33:40.000 I got out of jail and I was taking that stuff and I was like, fuck, it was expensive.

01:33:43.000 And I thought they're too mainstream to sponsor me.

01:33:45.000 Like, I'm a maniac, you know?

01:33:46.000 That's why I said, that's what I want.

01:33:48.000 So I'm going to email them.

01:33:49.000 Right.

01:33:50.000 And I was like, hey, you know, and they're like, sure.

01:33:51.000 And I was like, really?

01:33:52.000 I was like, just let you know.

01:33:54.000 Like, I did.

01:33:55.000 I did jail.

01:33:56.000 I did porn.

01:33:57.000 And they're like, oh, yeah, we already Googled you.

01:33:58.000 And I was like, all right, cool.

01:33:59.000 Wow, that's awesome.

01:34:01.000 But they're a great company.

01:34:02.000 But anyway, in the daytime, mostly I make smoothies.

01:34:08.000 All it is is like bananas, spinach, strawberries, and the protein.

01:34:11.000 So do you avoid a big meal until like later?

01:34:13.000 Are you doing that?

01:34:14.000 Right now I'm doing the, I'm trying to do it.

01:34:16.000 Yeah.

01:34:16.000 The warrior diet.

01:34:17.000 I never read the book, but I know a little bit about it.

01:34:20.000 But I like it because here's what happens is that my whole life, you know, I did the regular bodybuilding diet, eat every two or three hours.

01:34:27.000 And, you know, then it was always easy in the daytime.

01:34:30.000 And nighttime, I'm starving.

01:34:32.000 And I want to cheat.

01:34:33.000 That's always the problem.

01:34:34.000 You know, nighttime was like, fuck, man, I want to eat this or that.

01:34:37.000 And you can't.

01:34:38.000 You can't cheat, right?

01:34:39.000 So then I read the warrior diet, the theory behind it.

01:34:41.000 And I said, it makes sense, man.

01:34:42.000 Like, all day long, I'm not hungry anyway.

01:34:44.000 So I eat a little bit during the day, and then I'll just pig out at night, have big, you know, big dinner.

01:34:49.000 So just the last few months, I've been doing this warrior diet thing.

01:34:53.000 But basically, all I do is I only eat a, I make a smoothie an hour before practice, and then I eat one right after practice.

01:35:00.000 One hour, huh?

01:35:01.000 That's all you need?

01:35:02.000 Is an hour?

01:35:03.000 Yeah, I feel like it's good for me.

01:35:04.000 That's probably because it's a vegetable-based smoothie, right?

01:35:07.000 Yeah, it's all fruit.

01:35:09.000 Yeah, I've tried to do that with like whey protein.

01:35:12.000 You start shitting your parents, starting your brains out.

01:35:14.000 Yeah, you know, I like whey.

01:35:17.000 It comes from milk, and it tastes better.

01:35:19.000 The whey proteins taste better and stuff, but I don't know.

01:35:23.000 I think it's bad.

01:35:24.000 From what I've read, I try to stay away from all the animal stuff, especially dairy.

01:35:28.000 But then, like, what I usually do is like, I'll eat vegan all week.

01:35:32.000 On Sunday, I eat like a fucking pig.

01:35:33.000 I don't care.

01:35:34.000 You give a one-cheat day?

01:35:35.000 Like, pizza, like, anything.

01:35:36.000 I don't care.

01:35:37.000 Anything.

01:35:38.000 But sometimes, say, like, tonight, oh, you want to go to sushi?

01:35:38.000 Nothing forbidden.

01:35:43.000 I'll get sushi tonight.

01:35:44.000 Big deal.

01:35:45.000 But in my house, I only eat vegan.

01:35:47.000 That's interesting.

01:35:48.000 So my protein comes from mostly beans, rice.

01:35:52.000 I like to eat a lot of pistachios.

01:35:55.000 And then the protein.

01:35:56.000 But mostly beans.

01:35:57.000 I ate a boring diet.

01:35:58.000 They ate the same thing every day, same time of the day.

01:36:00.000 That's smart.

01:36:00.000 Because freedom makes me...

01:36:06.000 If I have any freedom in my schedule, I'll screw it all up.

01:36:08.000 So I have that written down, eat this now, otherwise I'm screwed.

01:36:11.000 Like, same thing.

01:36:12.000 Like, if I even get woken up early, my schedule is so exact.

01:36:16.000 Like, today, like, I'm here, right?

01:36:20.000 If this ended early, I wouldn't train after this.

01:36:21.000 My schedule is ruined already.

01:36:22.000 And on the way here, I already ate junk food.

01:36:24.000 I fucking went the jack in the box.

01:36:26.000 So you sort of manage yourself against your own impulses.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, because I know that it's like I have discipline, but I don't.

01:36:33.000 If I have a schedule in front of me, I'll follow it to a T. If I don't have one, I can't trust myself.

01:36:38.000 You're too impulsive.

01:36:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:40.000 I can't do it.

01:36:41.000 But at least you understand that.

01:36:42.000 But that's a trial and error thing, you know?

01:36:42.000 You know.

01:36:45.000 And I think that's probably, you know, if you think about like your life and all the circumstances that you've had in your life, those develop like paths.

01:36:54.000 They develop like behavior paths.

01:36:56.000 And those behavior paths, once you already go down that impulsive road, it becomes very difficult to break those paths.

01:37:01.000 That's why people are like gambling junkies, they'll fucking fall off the wagon and just fucking, let me just play one hand, one hand of black check.

01:37:08.000 And next thing you know, they're fucking sweating, their collar's undone, their fucking hair is crazy.

01:37:13.000 I forbid myself to gamble.

01:37:14.000 Yeah, I'm not a gambler either.

01:37:16.000 But yeah, but this, right now my diet, I like it, dude.

01:37:20.000 I don't think we need to eat that much animals and stuff.

01:37:23.000 You know, the China study shows like in the rats and stuff that if the rats that ate more than 10% animal products, their cancer would turn on, and then they take them to a 90% vegetable diet and they would turn off the cancers.

01:37:38.000 But I'm here to tell you that I'm an American and I'm not a fucking rat.

01:37:42.000 I'm a human being, top of the food chain.

01:37:44.000 I'll eat a rat if I'm hungry, but I don't like to base my diet off some shitty rodents that eat themselves.

01:37:49.000 Yeah, well, here's the thing, too.

01:37:50.000 If you think about it, all right?

01:37:51.000 So we're in tribes, okay?

01:37:53.000 So us guys are the hunters.

01:37:55.000 We're gonna go out all day and hunt.

01:37:57.000 Along the way, we're gonna be eating fucking apples and whatever we find, right?

01:38:01.000 Whatever we can find, we're gonna eat along the way.

01:38:02.000 The chicks are gonna be at home, you know, hunting and gathering and cleaning shit up. 1.00

01:38:07.000 And we get a pig. 1.00

01:38:08.000 We bring it home, you know, at nighttime, and we have a feast.

01:38:12.000 But it's one pig we caught, maybe.

01:38:14.000 And there's a whole fucking village.

01:38:15.000 So we're all gonna get a small amount of meat, and mostly we're gonna eat vegetables and I think plants and stuff.

01:38:19.000 Well, just to let you know, I mean, I don't know how much you've done online.

01:38:22.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with eating a vegan diet, and I'm a big proponent in eating a lot of vegetables.

01:38:27.000 I eat a lot of vegetables.

01:38:29.000 I feel better when I drink kale shakes and eat a lot of fresh vegetables.

01:38:32.000 But the China study has been debunked by many different scientists.

01:38:36.000 There's been a lot.

01:38:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:38.000 There's been a lot of different work.

01:38:38.000 It has.

01:38:41.000 Like, one of the things they accuse the China study of is cherry-picking data in order to match the conclusions that they wanted to make.

01:38:50.000 If you just Google China Study Debunk, there's a bunch of different articles about it.

01:38:54.000 Like here's one, Rest in Peace, China Study.

01:38:57.000 And it's all about a guy who wrote a story, started analyzing the original China Study data.

01:39:04.000 He said, I had no intention of writing an actual critique of Campbell's much lauded work.

01:39:08.000 I'm a data junkie, numbers along with strawberries and Audrey Hepburn films, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:39:12.000 But after spending a solid month and a half reading, graphing, sticky noting, and passing out at 3 a.m. from studious exhaustion upon my copy of the raw China study data, I've decided that it's time to voice all my criticisms, and there are many.

01:39:25.000 And this guy just goes into all these different points where there's like, he said Campbell was influenced by his own expectations about animal protein and disease, leading him to seek out specific correlations in the China study data and elsewhere to confirm his predictions, which means that he didn't use real science.

01:39:41.000 What he did was he used confirmation bias and he tried to go towards a lot of vegans do that, man.

01:39:46.000 Like I tried, I had this, what's the endurance runner that we had on?

01:39:51.000 The dude.

01:39:52.000 Oh, I think I'm talking about.

01:39:54.000 Anyway, Kat was a vegan, really good guy.

01:39:58.000 And we were talking about Rick Roll.

01:40:02.000 We were talking about Rich Roll.

01:40:03.000 We were talking about veganism, and he was saying that it had nothing to do with not wanting to eat animals.

01:40:09.000 It's all about health.

01:40:10.000 So I started talking to him about the benefits of fish oil.

01:40:13.000 And, you know, and he was like agreeing that there's a lot of health benefits of fish oil.

01:40:16.000 So do you supplement with fish oil?

01:40:18.000 He's like, no, no, I don't.

01:40:19.000 I'm like, well, why wouldn't you if you know all the benefits of fish oil?

01:40:21.000 Because it becomes a thing where you want to say you don't eat any animals.

01:40:25.000 Here's the thing, like, like my little buddies are, my old roommate is a vegan, real vegan.

01:40:29.000 Like reading labels and shit.

01:40:30.000 Right.

01:40:31.000 I would never do that.

01:40:32.000 And I don't believe in the whole 100% vegan diet.

01:40:35.000 I believe that, I think my opinion is we're meant to eat some meat, but mostly plants.

01:40:40.000 You know, that's what I think we're probably meant to eat naturally.

01:40:44.000 But like, I'll eat whatever I want.

01:40:47.000 There's a great deal of benefit to eating animal protein, though.

01:40:51.000 There's a lot, especially animal protein that's grass-fed.

01:40:54.000 If you start looking into wild game and grass-fed animal protein, the difference between the essential fats.

01:41:01.000 There's like way more that was stuff in salmon.

01:41:06.000 Essential fatty acids.

01:41:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:08.000 Way more in the wild game.

01:41:09.000 Much more.

01:41:10.000 Well, you know, the problem is most people, when you're judging diets, here's one gigantic thumb, sore thumb that sticks out.

01:41:18.000 Most people have sedentary lifestyles.

01:41:20.000 So if you start judging the diet of the average American, what the fuck is the average American doing with their body?

01:41:26.000 Yeah, so you can't even compare the average American to an athlete.

01:41:29.000 But when you start talking to athletes, talking about the specific nutritional demands of you're redlining your fucking body every day when you're training, when you're doing strength and conditioning.

01:41:38.000 I've seen the videos of you where you're doing chin-ups with fucking weight belts on and 90-pound dumbbells in between your legs. 0.56

01:41:46.000 You're redlining your body all the time.

01:41:50.000 You need as much protein, nutrients, essential fatty acids, vitamins.

01:41:54.000 You need all the good shit.

01:41:55.000 You can't afford to have a deficiency in any area.

01:41:58.000 You should look into, like, if you're not opposed to it from a moral standpoint, look into the benefits of grass-fed protein.

01:42:05.000 I think that's why, like, the way I'm doing it, I do both, but mostly the plants.

01:42:10.000 I think as long as my energies are high and my muscles stay in the same, my strengths are the same, like I could judge it, you know, like by that.

01:42:16.000 You know, kind of, I feel good, you know what I mean?

01:42:19.000 It's definitely better than the average diet.

01:42:21.000 Yeah, and the thing is, too, this is why in jail I stopped reading fucking fiction.

01:42:25.000 Fiction is the real shit, right?

01:42:26.000 Books?

01:42:27.000 Yeah, fiction is fake.

01:42:28.000 Oh, non-fiction.

01:42:29.000 So the reason, yeah.

01:42:31.000 And the reason why in jail I stopped reading non-fiction was because I would fucking read one book written by four PhDs and they're telling me this, right?

01:42:39.000 And I read another book by four PhDs and they tell me the opposite.

01:42:42.000 Like no one knows shit.

01:42:42.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:42:43.000 And it pisses me off.

01:42:44.000 So after a while, I started reading only fiction, just stories.

01:42:47.000 I didn't give a shit.

01:42:48.000 You know, because I got sick and tired of reading them contracting each other and no one knows nothing, you know?

01:42:53.000 Well, what's going on is that there's not enough, It's just like people are still learning and they're still learning about the body.

01:43:01.000 I mean, if you just look at training methods that people used to use just 100 years ago in comparison to training methods today.

01:43:07.000 You ever watch like those old training camps like Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and all these guys just doing all this crazy like old school training methods?

01:43:17.000 It's silly.

01:43:18.000 Their bodies look different.

01:43:19.000 Like athletes are just different today.

01:43:20.000 We understand Tabata methods.

01:43:22.000 We understand different protocols for endurance training.

01:43:24.000 We understand heart rate monitors.

01:43:26.000 We understand overtraining.

01:43:27.000 We understand like hydration, electrolytes.

01:43:30.000 There's just so much that they understand today they didn't know then.

01:43:33.000 It's constantly growing.

01:43:35.000 It's not a finished product.

01:43:36.000 I think the main problem is though, is like if me and you are a scientist and we figure out this thing, like we think we're right.

01:43:44.000 But then we like, the scientists, they fucking, they refuse to believe they're wrong.

01:43:49.000 And then they'll push this, even though now they know it might be wrong, but they wasted so much time to fucking make this right.

01:43:55.000 Now they're scared.

01:43:56.000 It's the same thing with the flat earth and the round earth and all that bullshit.

01:43:59.000 It's the same type of theory.

01:44:00.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:02.000 they get committed to their idea.

01:44:04.000 Yeah, they don't want to budge.

01:44:06.000 They'd rather preach their idea, even though it's not right, than let go.

01:44:09.000 And then that's the problem, too, with the science shit.

01:44:12.000 Well, that's an issue with people that study ancient civilizations.

01:44:16.000 There's a guy that we've had on this podcast several times, a good friend of mine named Graham Hancock, great guy who wrote this amazing book called Fingerprints of the Gods, and it's all about ancient structures.

01:44:28.000 They've taken geologists, man.

01:44:30.000 They had this guy, Robert Schock from Boston University.

01:44:34.000 They studied the erosion marks on the Sphinx, and they're trying to backdate the enclosure for the Sphinx.

01:44:41.000 They say it's from rain, right?

01:44:42.000 Yeah.

01:44:42.000 They say it's from thousands of years of rain.

01:44:44.000 The problem was the last time they had that kind of rainfall in the Nile.

01:44:48.000 It was like 9,000 BC.

01:44:50.000 So we're talking about thousands of years before that, because back then, there used to be a rainforest.

01:44:56.000 The Nile used to be like its rich rainforest.

01:44:58.000 So what he's saying is that just based on geological evidence, you're dealing with something that was constructed a long time ago, much longer than anybody thinks.

01:45:07.000 But these Egyptologists did not want to buy it.

01:45:10.000 No, they were digging their heels in the sand and they were saying there's no way it's impossible.

01:45:14.000 Where is this?

01:45:15.000 They were laughing like, where is this culture from 12,000 plus years ago you talk about?

01:45:20.000 And they didn't even know that anybody had built anything like that from 12,000 years ago until recently they found this structure in Turkey called Gobekli Tepe.

01:45:28.000 Without a doubt, 12,000 plus years old because someone 12,000 years ago covered it because they've proven by doing carbon testing on the soil that it was all put at the same time.

01:45:38.000 So they know that 12,000 years ago, for sure, someone was making big, crazy giant shit.

01:45:44.000 But they don't want to talk about that because they've been teaching college courses and universities and forever and they gave a timeline.

01:45:50.000 And because this timeline has been established and that's how they base their PhDs, that's how they based all their studies and their work.

01:45:56.000 Yeah, they don't want to let it go.

01:45:58.000 And that's the problem.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, it is a problem.

01:46:00.000 You know, I don't know.

01:46:02.000 It's a problem with ancient civilizations for sure. 0.66

01:46:04.000 But it's a little bit of a problem with health.

01:46:05.000 And a lot of these fucking people that are talking about, oh, you don't need vitamins, you don't need this.

01:46:10.000 Let me find out what you do with your body. 1.00

01:46:12.000 Because I have a feeling you're a fat fuck and you sit around doing nothing.

01:46:15.000 And you're telling people they don't need vitamins.

01:46:16.000 They don't need nutrients.

01:46:17.000 I just saw that shit the other day on Dr. Oz.

01:46:19.000 Some doctor was trying to tell him that you don't need to take vitamins.

01:46:22.000 It's bullshit.

01:46:22.000 And then Dr. Oz was saying, well, you need to take your daily recommended allowance.

01:46:26.000 Fuck the daily recommended allowance.

01:46:27.000 This guy's all no shit.

01:46:28.000 I don't believe none of that.

01:46:29.000 I take, you know what I mean?

01:46:30.000 I don't think it's going to hurt you to mega-dose some vitamins, you know?

01:46:34.000 Well, it's also, they love to make these headlines.

01:46:37.000 Like, I don't know if you saw this recent story where these researchers are saying case closed vitamins don't work.

01:46:43.000 But they based it on two things.

01:46:45.000 And I've talked about this before, folks, who listen, and they're like, you're going to fucking talk about it again.

01:46:48.000 One more time.

01:46:49.000 This is the last time, I promise.

01:46:50.000 Just for War Machine.

01:46:51.000 They based it on people over 65 that had had heart attacks, that vitamins didn't keep them alive any longer, and people that were over 65 that had already had mental decline.

01:47:01.000 They were already experiencing Alzheimer's.

01:47:02.000 It didn't slow their mental decline.

01:47:04.000 So they're like, well, vitamins don't work.

01:47:05.000 But that's not vitamins doesn't work.

01:47:07.000 You're dealing with old people that are already broken. 1.00

01:47:08.000 They're already dead almost.

01:47:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:47:10.000 You're having heart attacks, man.

01:47:12.000 Your brain stopped working and you're having heart attacks.

01:47:14.000 Oh, a fucking Centrum 1 didn't work and didn't fix that?

01:47:17.000 That's crazy.

01:47:18.000 Unbelievable.

01:47:19.000 But this is a headline to get press.

01:47:22.000 So they put these headlines out to get their study to get people to read it and pay attention to it.

01:47:27.000 It gets hits on all these websites.

01:47:28.000 Everybody gets excited about it.

01:47:30.000 They inflame the results because the more you inflame them, the more people are going to share them on Twitter.

01:47:34.000 And the next thing you know, people are arguing that you don't need vitamins.

01:47:37.000 There was just a study that released.

01:47:38.000 Why are you even taking vitamins?

01:47:40.000 They have a study.

01:47:41.000 There's no fucking studies that tell you you don't need vitamins.

01:47:43.000 That's just stupidity.

01:47:44.000 Yeah, well, that's the same thing.

01:47:46.000 What's up with the soy milk?

01:47:47.000 I hear people say that it raises estrogen, but other people say it doesn't.

01:47:51.000 Is there a real study?

01:47:52.000 Soy most definitely can have effects on your hormone levels.

01:47:56.000 For men or just women?

01:47:57.000 For men.

01:47:57.000 For men and women.

01:47:58.000 There's a real study?

01:47:59.000 Because I hear both, and I don't know what, fuck, which one?

01:48:01.000 I'm pretty sure soy can affect your hormone level. 0.72

01:48:03.000 Let's just Google it right now.

01:48:04.000 Can affect hormone levels.

01:48:07.000 Hormone levels.

01:48:10.000 There's a lot of shit that can affect hormone levels.

01:48:12.000 You got to be careful about having...

01:48:14.000 Yeah, Adonami.

01:48:15.000 He cries.

01:48:16.000 He cries like a girl. 0.99

01:48:17.000 He grows milk when he eats soybeans.

01:48:20.000 They say that our drinking water, though, is so full of birth control pills.

01:48:25.000 When they clean it out, the hormones stay in it, and it's lowering testosterone, too.

01:48:27.000 Well, there is some.

01:48:28.000 There's also antidepressants that make their way into our drinking water from people processing, like when people flush them down the toilet.

01:48:35.000 Like when you drink water, like in some places, you're drinking water that's been processed.

01:48:39.000 Like they'll process sewage water.

01:48:40.000 Yeah, and back into the drinking water.

01:48:42.000 And then somehow or another, micro-doses of these antidepressants and antibiotics and all kinds of shit can make it into that water.

01:48:50.000 But the levels are so low.

01:48:52.000 Exaggerated.

01:48:53.000 It's like it'd be almost impossible to, I mean, it's impossible to feel.

01:48:58.000 I think it's just detectable.

01:49:01.000 Does soy, does eating soy increase estrogen production?

01:49:06.000 Let's find out.

01:49:07.000 Yes, it does.

01:49:08.000 Soybeans are a complete protein source and a dietary staple in many cultures.

01:49:13.000 Soy contains phytoestrogens called isoflavones that may mimic the activity of hormone estrogen in your body.

01:49:21.000 The effects of soy isoflavones on human estrogen levels are complex.

01:49:26.000 Soy is safe for everyone to consume in moderation and can have a modest effect on estrogen levels.

01:49:31.000 So that means it can have an effect.

01:49:33.000 So don't get crazy and drink a lot of soy milk or your dick will go soft.

01:49:37.000 You grow some titties.

01:49:39.000 Or if you're a girl and you need some extra estrogen, imagine if girls could eat like certain foods and their tits would grow bigger. 1.00

01:49:44.000 There would be none of that shit at Whole Foods.

01:49:46.000 Try finding soybeans at Whole Foods.

01:49:49.000 It would be out.

01:49:51.000 Yeah, soy's an interesting one, but it's not the best protein.

01:49:56.000 Like quinoa is one of the best.

01:49:57.000 That's real high in protein and all essential fats.

01:50:01.000 Yeah, amino acids.

01:50:02.000 Hemp's a real good one, too.

01:50:03.000 Hemp's easy to digest, too.

01:50:04.000 Yeah, I take the Garden of Life on it.

01:50:06.000 It's like a blend, I think.

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:09.000 You can get a lot of protein.

01:50:10.000 I mean, Mac Danzig pulls it off.

01:50:12.000 You can get a lot of protein in a vegan diet.

01:50:14.000 You just got to know what the fuck you're doing.

01:50:16.000 The real issue is healthy fats, too.

01:50:18.000 You got to eat avocados and shit.

01:50:20.000 You got to get a lot of healthy fats.

01:50:21.000 Or just like flax oil or shakes or something.

01:50:24.000 Yeah.

01:50:26.000 See, I'm not against.

01:50:27.000 I would take the fish oils.

01:50:29.000 I don't bother Me, like Mac wouldn't, you know, he's a real, real hardcore vegan.

01:50:33.000 Yeah, he's an animal.

01:50:34.000 He told me, like, fuck that, that soy shit's bullshit.

01:50:36.000 Like, you know, like, and I figured that he's been a vegan so long, maybe he knows.

01:50:39.000 So, I just believed him, you know.

01:50:40.000 What did he say was bullshit?

01:50:41.000 The soy shit?

01:50:42.000 The soy, like, that's bullshit.

01:50:43.000 Like, there's no study that's getting emotional.

01:50:44.000 That's the woman in him.

01:50:46.000 The estrogen is making him emotional.

01:50:48.000 Tell him to back off the beans, Mac.

01:50:50.000 Yeah, well, Mac is he's he's he's an interesting dude because he's got a real strong character.

01:50:57.000 I really like that guy.

01:50:58.000 He's a very smart dude, and he's a strong believer in character.

01:51:04.000 That's why he chooses not to have any animal protein.

01:51:08.000 Well, no, he started for the same reason I started was from like sinus infections of strep throat.

01:51:14.000 Well, dairy, man.

01:51:14.000 Really?

01:51:16.000 A lot of people have issues.

01:51:17.000 I just get strep throat and sinus infections like three times a year, every fucking year, since forever, right?

01:51:23.000 And then I heard a rumor that if you stop drinking milk, it can go away.

01:51:27.000 I was like, bullshit.

01:51:28.000 I tried it and it stopped fucking, I don't get it anymore.

01:51:30.000 Yeah, our friend Tony Hinchcliffe had the same issue, right?

01:51:32.000 He stopped drinking milk and he cured up a lot of it.

01:51:34.000 And Mac Danzig told me this, that's why he started too.

01:51:36.000 And then after that, he started researching more, and that's why he became a vegan, plus the animal stuff.

01:51:40.000 Yeah, you're not supposed to drink milk that's been homogenized and pasteurized.

01:51:44.000 And the problem with drinking raw milk is unless you know who's milking that cow and feeding that cow, you don't know what the fuck you're getting, how they're dealing and handling the milk right afterwards.

01:51:52.000 If you can get a good source, though, if you get a real good farm that's reputable, that knows how to deal with their raw milk.

01:52:00.000 There was a recent study also that tried to discredit wall milk, saying one out of six people who drink raw milk can get sick.

01:52:06.000 But then in the very article itself, it shows that you can't prove that what happened to them came from the raw milk.

01:52:12.000 And it could have been from, I mean, it's not like they only had raw milk.

01:52:14.000 They weren't controlling the rest of their input.

01:52:17.000 And their input varied.

01:52:19.000 Everybody's input varied.

01:52:20.000 And people get sick all the time.

01:52:21.000 So it's real sketchy.

01:52:23.000 It's not like a double-blind placebo test taking raw milk as opposed to homogenous or pasteurized milk.

01:52:29.000 And then they both eat the same diet and it's controlled, same portions.

01:52:33.000 Yeah, you have to live in the same environment.

01:52:35.000 You know, it's hard.

01:52:37.000 But you got to be careful.

01:52:38.000 You got to be careful whenever anything's raw.

01:52:40.000 You know, you got to have really fresh stuff.

01:52:42.000 But that's what we're supposed to eat.

01:52:44.000 We're not supposed to be old rotten.

01:52:45.000 We're supposed to be refrigerators and all, you know what I mean?

01:52:49.000 Yeah, but, you know, for most people, they're not going to be able to afford to just buy milk every day.

01:52:56.000 I mean, that's really what you're...

01:53:02.000 Steak's not supposed to sit in your refrigerator.

01:53:04.000 And the only way meat can sit in your refrigerator has to be like some fucking baloney thing that's barely a meat.

01:53:10.000 It's just been filled with all kinds of shit to the point where it can't rot.

01:53:15.000 Cheese hot dogs.

01:53:16.000 Cheese hot dogs?

01:53:17.000 Yeah, that's the worst.

01:53:18.000 What are those?

01:53:18.000 It's like meat with fake cheese in it.

01:53:21.000 Oh, in the center.

01:53:22.000 In the center.

01:53:23.000 Oh, God.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, those are terrible for you.

01:53:26.000 All that stuff just makes you feel awful.

01:53:28.000 Just makes you, your body just goes into shutdown mode.

01:53:31.000 Yeah, even on my cheat day, like, I do just because I'm a pig.

01:53:35.000 You know, I want to have my pig day.

01:53:37.000 Right.

01:53:37.000 But I always feel like shit.

01:53:38.000 Do you eat gluten?

01:53:40.000 Yeah.

01:53:41.000 See, I don't know nothing about gluten.

01:53:42.000 I never really read up on it.

01:53:44.000 There's real science behind that.

01:53:46.000 My cousin is a lawyer in Washington.

01:53:49.000 She has a bad gluten allergy where she'll like be in bedridden for gluten.

01:53:53.000 So she was telling me all about it, but I mean, I don't really know nothing about gluten.

01:53:57.000 I have no gluten allergy.

01:53:58.000 I've eaten pasta all my life.

01:53:59.000 I'm Italian.

01:54:00.000 I grew up eating bread and pasta, but when I cut it out, I noticed a big difference.

01:54:04.000 And what, though?

01:54:05.000 My face got skinnier, first of all.

01:54:06.000 I felt like less soreness in the areas that I usually get inflammation, like my back.

01:54:13.000 I went to it because a therapist told me that.

01:54:15.000 She told me they have good results with helping people who have back injuries by getting off of gluten, getting off gluten and sugar.

01:54:21.000 She's like, anything terrible for you.

01:54:24.000 She's like, these things, they're not just bad for you.

01:54:26.000 She's like, they're inflammatory.

01:54:28.000 And she goes, and that's what the issue is.

01:54:29.000 The issue is inflammation.

01:54:31.000 And if you have foods that cause inflammation, it makes injuries more difficult to heal.

01:54:35.000 Yeah, because I was reading about all that shit, like sugar and stuff.

01:54:40.000 It taxes your kidneys and your liver.

01:54:42.000 And they can't do their jobs right.

01:54:44.000 So your body has more toxins than it should have, and it makes your body inflamed and blah, blah, blah.

01:54:48.000 Sugar's not good for it. 0.97

01:54:49.000 Too bad it's fucking delicious, though.

01:54:51.000 God damn it.

01:54:52.000 Everything good for you is fucking boring and bland.

01:54:57.000 Everything delicious is fucking terrible for you.

01:55:00.000 It's true.

01:55:00.000 That's where we are.

01:55:01.000 That's where we are as a person.

01:55:02.000 We have to figure out how to make...

01:55:09.000 Yeah.

01:55:10.000 Hey, what's up with that GMO?

01:55:13.000 It's the devil or what?

01:55:14.000 Well, here's what's up with GMO.

01:55:16.000 Some of it is good and some of it is bad, just like everything else.

01:55:19.000 I mean, there's like things like golden rice.

01:55:21.000 They figured out a way to engineer protein into rice and, you know, make a rice that's more easy to process.

01:55:30.000 And a lot of people have benefited from it greatly.

01:55:33.000 And then there's also shit that they designed that they want to make so that a plant, a certain plant can deal with pesticides.

01:55:40.000 There's that too.

01:55:42.000 But they've always done that with selective breeding.

01:55:45.000 But they've messed with things so that they deal with pesticides better.

01:55:49.000 And unfortunately, a lot of times that fucks up the environment.

01:55:53.000 Like bees, like they've connected the drop off in the population of bees to a couple different things.

01:55:59.000 They say that cell phones are not good for them.

01:56:01.000 They're not digging the fact that there's all these cell phone signals everywhere.

01:56:04.000 That fucks with bees, apparently. 1.00

01:56:05.000 But they can deal with that, I guess.

01:56:07.000 But what's fucking them up is there's certain pesticides that just wreak havoc on bee communities.

01:56:13.000 And if you get a genetically modified plant and these chemicals are involved in that process and these bees get a hold of these chemicals or they come into contact with these chemicals, it can be deadly to them.

01:56:27.000 There's a real issue with fucking with nature if we don't know the ultimate consequences because the world that we live in is an ecosystem.

01:56:34.000 It's like everything affects everything.

01:56:36.000 They say that if ants died, if we killed all the ants on the planet, we would be fucked.

01:56:41.000 Like the whole world would go into chaos.

01:56:43.000 Who knows?

01:56:44.000 Yeah, because we need everything.

01:56:44.000 Bees too.

01:56:45.000 It's all here for a reason.

01:56:47.000 It's all connected.

01:56:48.000 And when you have something that, you know, well, it can absorb chemicals better so we can kill off all these bugs and we don't have to worry about it and we get a big yield and we can sell that yield, but it's killing bees.

01:56:59.000 Like that's, there's a yin and a yang to everything.

01:57:02.000 There's a push and a pull to everything.

01:57:03.000 And the more you dabble with nature, you're dealing with this unbelievably complex structure.

01:57:09.000 The structure of nature is so intertwined and so broad that when you fuck around with it, hopefully it has a good effect, but there's also there's going to be the potential for negative downsides.

01:57:22.000 So that's what I think about GMO.

01:57:24.000 I think it's, look, if we could figure out a way to make food that all these poor people would have nutritious food, it's super easy to grow and everybody benefits from it.

01:57:34.000 Hey, I'm all for it.

01:57:35.000 But most of the time when they're involved in genetically modifying foods, they're doing it for profit.

01:57:40.000 They're doing everything's for money.

01:57:41.000 It's a big part of what it is.

01:57:43.000 It's fucked up.

01:57:44.000 Yeah.

01:57:44.000 Because we think about money now, this now.

01:57:48.000 They don't even care what's going to happen next.

01:57:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:57:52.000 Well, there's a lot of people that definitely don't think about the future.

01:57:54.000 They just fucking ride that bitch right now. 1.00

01:57:57.000 Just like oil.

01:57:58.000 Like, why the fuck do we still use oil?

01:58:00.000 There's a bunch of reasons.

01:58:01.000 One, because we know how to do it, and we have the whole systems in place for oil.

01:58:05.000 To change the system and change it to like solar, like everybody, like LA could probably run on solar.

01:58:10.000 If we have solar, it's really a shame that we don't have solar panels everywhere in LA.

01:58:15.000 The motherfucker is sunny constantly.

01:58:17.000 They work, and it's sunny constantly.

01:58:19.000 I mean, it would be definitely more expensive.

01:58:21.000 It would take a while to, and you also have to get batteries, and the batteries have to have minerals in those batteries.

01:58:26.000 A lot of those minerals come from conflict areas like the Congo or Afghanistan.

01:58:31.000 So it's not all simple, sweet, and clean to have electric power from solar because you have to have batteries to store that power.

01:58:39.000 Otherwise, it goes off at night.

01:58:41.000 What about that Nicola Tesla, dude? 1.00

01:58:44.000 Yeah, sure.

01:58:44.000 Read about him?

01:58:45.000 He got fucked.

01:58:46.000 You know, we never learned about him, but he invented all the best electric stuff.

01:58:49.000 He invented a lot of cool shit, but he also fell in love with a pigeon.

01:58:52.000 He was in love with a pigeon before he died.

01:58:56.000 I don't think he fucked him.

01:58:57.000 I don't think he fucked anything.

01:58:58.000 He actually, one of the quotes, I can't find this anywhere else, but I read it once, I know for sure, that he destroyed his sexuality was the quotes.

01:59:08.000 Because, yeah, he had some issue with some woman, and it didn't work out, and it just destroyed him.

01:59:12.000 He couldn't concentrate.

01:59:13.000 So he's like, you know what?

01:59:15.000 I'm done with these balls.

01:59:19.000 Hey, there's a guy at my gym.

01:59:21.000 He's from New York, actually.

01:59:22.000 He's a scientist, right?

01:59:23.000 He was like a normal guy, but he's a scientist.

01:59:25.000 And he invented this thing.

01:59:28.000 Right now, his company is in the works with a $200 million deal.

01:59:31.000 Huge thing, right?

01:59:32.000 It's a magnet-assisted generator.

01:59:37.000 So once it gets going, it's perpetual.

01:59:40.000 Nothing's perpetual, but 10,000 years is how long a magnet lasts until the energy and the magnet dies.

01:59:46.000 So it'll spin for 10,000 years.

01:59:47.000 Jesus Christ.

01:59:48.000 It's like a fucking huge fucking deal.

01:59:50.000 It's like, you know, Twitter is $300 million huge deal.

01:59:52.000 And he says it'll boost any power plant anywhere from like 70 to 100% in more power in production.

02:00:00.000 Wow.

02:00:01.000 But it's like pretty much like the modern Tesla coil.

02:00:04.000 It's like the newest thing.

02:00:07.000 I actually told him, I want to see if we can call him or somewhere.

02:00:09.000 He said he would come down and talk to you, but it's a badass invention.

02:00:13.000 Yeah, give me his email address and I'll email him.

02:00:15.000 We'll figure out.

02:00:16.000 I'd like to find out what it is.

02:00:18.000 Yeah, he told me about it at the gym the other day, but it's like, it's going to be a real deal, man.

02:00:22.000 And he says that something like that, there's no...

02:00:26.000 You know, the windmills create electricity.

02:00:28.000 The turbines on the waterfall create electricity.

02:00:29.000 The nuclear energy.

02:00:30.000 But this thing is just fucking magnets and they spin by themselves and that's it.

02:00:33.000 And it makes electricity.

02:00:34.000 So it just needs something to start it up.

02:00:36.000 And then once it starts up, then the magnets.

02:00:38.000 They repel each other.

02:00:39.000 And they just keep on moving, you know?

02:00:41.000 If it's not easy, why hasn't someone else figure that out?

02:00:43.000 Perpetual motion.

02:00:44.000 It's supposedly not supposed to have ever been solved.

02:00:47.000 Well, it's not perpetual motion if you get something to start it up.

02:00:50.000 If something starts it up, you know, you're going to need something to initially turn.

02:00:54.000 It only lasts 10,000 years, which is fucking long enough.

02:00:57.000 But you got to get it going.

02:00:58.000 But then once it goes, it just keeps on moving.

02:01:00.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

02:01:02.000 That's crazy.

02:01:03.000 So this dude is figuring out a way to sell this?

02:01:08.000 They're in negotiations with huge companies.

02:01:12.000 You better fucking be careful.

02:01:13.000 If I was that dude, I'd hide where I live.

02:01:15.000 They'll fucking kill him like they did that dude who invented the water car.

02:01:18.000 The guy who invented the car was powered by water.

02:01:21.000 He died in a meeting he had with these people.

02:01:25.000 Sid Caesar died?

02:01:26.000 Sid Caesar just died.

02:01:27.000 The guy who invented the water car died in a meeting with these two people that were supposed to be government agents, and he was screaming, they poisoned me.

02:01:35.000 They poisoned me.

02:01:35.000 Those are his last words before he had a heart attack.

02:01:37.000 Fucked up, dude.

02:01:39.000 That might be a fake rumor, by the way.

02:01:41.000 Yeah, it sounds fake, doesn't it?

02:01:42.000 Sounds like that other one there, though, the Olympics one.

02:01:42.000 Sounds fake.

02:01:44.000 Yeah, the Olympics one was totally fake.

02:01:46.000 They like to do that lately.

02:01:47.000 They like to have these websites that just write fake stories, and they're not even funny.

02:01:50.000 They just fake.

02:01:51.000 Yeah, there's a website where people, you could just add somebody's name to the last part of it, and it'll be a fake hoax death.

02:01:57.000 Like it looks like a news site, and it just replaces photos.

02:02:01.000 There's too much shit on the internet.

02:02:02.000 The internet, too much freedom.

02:02:04.000 The government, when I was at the Citadel at the college I was at, because I was a biology major, so they had some scientists that were touring the country, and they're like coming around to schools and trying to tell us stuff, you know, make us aware.

02:02:18.000 It was like a team of four scientists, and it was just them and their inventions.

02:02:21.000 They're saying, these are our inventions that the government is fucking canned.

02:02:25.000 We're only four guys, you know, imagine how many other things are out there.

02:02:27.000 But one guy, he said he invented a carburetor that you can hook onto any car, and it automatically gets 80 miles a gallon.

02:02:34.000 Like instantly.

02:02:35.000 He's like, oh, fuck, I'm fucking...

02:02:37.000 He like GM or whatever.

02:02:38.000 Couldn't say, you know, but he's like, he thought, I saved like all this money.

02:02:41.000 I'm going to be rich, blah, blah, blah.

02:02:42.000 He says, the fucking government got the patent, canned it, right?

02:02:45.000 This lady, she made a clear enamel coat. 1.00

02:02:48.000 You put it in her teeth one time.

02:02:50.000 The dentist puts it on, a clear coat, and your teeth are invincible.

02:02:53.000 They'll never get a cavity, nothing.

02:02:54.000 It's like a seal.

02:02:55.000 It seals your teeth.

02:02:57.000 They bought the patent, threw it away.

02:02:58.000 Really?

02:02:59.000 Another guy invented.

02:03:01.000 So, you know, cigarettes, they're addicting, you know, but it causes fucking cancer.

02:03:04.000 Everyone dies.

02:03:05.000 He invented a molecule that addicts you like nicotine still, but you just have no cancer.

02:03:14.000 So what?

02:03:15.000 It's a cigarette that you smoke it and you're hooked on it, but you won't die.

02:03:18.000 He's like, oh, this is the best invention ever.

02:03:20.000 I'm going to save all these lives.

02:03:21.000 And the company that he worked for bought it and shoved it.

02:03:24.000 That doesn't sound right.

02:03:26.000 How is it possible that you could smoke and not get sick?

02:03:29.000 Because The molecule he invented, which was like nicotine or whatever it was.

02:03:33.000 It was addictive, but it wouldn't kill you.

02:03:36.000 I believe he said that to you, but I also believe he's full of shit.

02:03:39.000 I don't know, man.

02:03:40.000 Some pretty complicated medicine right there.

02:03:42.000 People would know about the possibility of that.

02:03:44.000 These guys were, they're a team of scientists, and they're coming around, like, telling us, like, you know, like, we're four guys.

02:03:52.000 And, like, we've invented this shit.

02:03:52.000 Right.

02:03:54.000 It's hard when you're dealing with something that's so long ago, too, and then, like, you know, you try to recant the story.

02:03:59.000 Tell the story.

02:04:00.000 But that was the gist of it.

02:04:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:02.000 But it's like, wait, no, why?

02:04:03.000 If you had an enamel coat under teeth, you could never get a cavity, then most dancers are out of work.

02:04:08.000 The car industry doesn't want 80 mile per gallon cars.

02:04:11.000 They don't want that.

02:04:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:13.000 Back then, you just hook it on your car and you're set.

02:04:16.000 Well, there definitely would be a blowback.

02:04:18.000 There's definitely a lot of people.

02:04:19.000 If they're losing money, if they would lose money, if something came along that made cars unbelievably more efficient, they would need less gasoline, that would be a fuckload of less money.

02:04:27.000 The amount of money that's spent every day in this country on fossil fuels, we can't even wrap our head around that number.

02:04:33.000 Crazy.

02:04:34.000 It's an insane number.

02:04:35.000 So to get that out, it's going to take many generations.

02:04:39.000 It's going to take a long wind of change, or it's going to take one spectacular invention.

02:04:44.000 Like the electric car, the electric cars are cool, but fuck, they take a long time to charge up.

02:04:49.000 They can only go like 300 miles.

02:04:51.000 It takes like, you got to charge them like even if you rapid charge, it's a half hour.

02:04:55.000 So you have to sit in a gas station for a half hour while your fucking car charges.

02:04:58.000 Yeah, I talked to that dude from my gym, that Raphael guy, the scientist guy, about the electric cars.

02:05:02.000 I was like, yeah, man, like, he says that it's a scam, though.

02:05:05.000 He says that the whole car is pretty much a battery.

02:05:08.000 He says that all the lead and the shit in that battery, he said it actually ends up being just as bad or worse for the environment than if you just had a car with gas.

02:05:17.000 Really?

02:05:17.000 That's what he says, but I was like, fuck, really?

02:05:18.000 I thought that was all propaganda, dude.

02:05:20.000 But he says, no, it's not as good as you think it is.

02:05:24.000 Well, you definitely need minerals.

02:05:26.000 The same thing is with the batteries that you need for solar generators.

02:05:30.000 You need minerals to put into the, I mean, at least with the current technology.

02:05:34.000 They have used lithium-ion.

02:05:35.000 That's one of the big discoveries they found in Afghanistan, was lithium.

02:05:39.000 Lithium is pretty valuable stuff.

02:05:41.000 And then when they convert it into batteries, you've got to get that out of the ground.

02:05:44.000 You've got to get it out of the ground.

02:05:46.000 So anybody thinks that you've got this completely green, clean thing because it's made out of batteries.

02:05:51.000 No, it's just not using as much fossil fuel every day.

02:05:55.000 That's what he was saying.

02:05:55.000 He said that when you add it up, it really isn't all you think it's going to be.

02:06:00.000 It takes fossil fuel to make a car, too.

02:06:01.000 That's another thing that people aren't taking into consideration.

02:06:04.000 And there's no tires other than rubber tires.

02:06:07.000 I mean, you got to use synthetic materials to make tires.

02:06:10.000 They haven't come up with a hemp tire yet.

02:06:12.000 Until they come up with something that's absolutely green and biodegradable as a tire, you're always going to deal with...

02:06:19.000 They're fucking disgusting.

02:06:21.000 I mean, that is toxic waste.

02:06:23.000 That's one of the things they do to people in Brazil. 1.00

02:06:26.000 There was a thing, they do what they call microwave you.

02:06:29.000 They put you inside a roll of tires and burn you.

02:06:32.000 Yeah, it's because your DNA, it becomes almost impossible to identify you because you just get intermingled with these tires. 0.51

02:06:41.000 It's just a mess.

02:06:43.000 Yeah.

02:06:43.000 Gasoline and tires.

02:06:45.000 It's like a fucked up way to get rid of a body.

02:06:48.000 I know that's how people destroy vehicles that they want insurance to be destroyed.

02:06:52.000 Yeah.

02:06:53.000 Because the tires melt so hot that it'll actually bend the whole frame of the car, so that way you're guaranteed to get your car.

02:07:00.000 People are so silly.

02:07:02.000 Yeah.

02:07:03.000 So tell me, man, we were talking about this, but we got off subject.

02:07:07.000 What did you do the entire year that you were in solitary?

02:07:11.000 Like, what was your day?

02:07:13.000 Dude, I would wake up because it was weird.

02:07:16.000 They would feed us like at 4 a.m. was breakfast, right?

02:07:19.000 So they wake you up, feed you breakfast, and you just eat and pass back out, right?

02:07:23.000 And then you get up again, like, say, 9 or 10.

02:07:25.000 And 10 o'clock would be lunch.

02:07:27.000 That's when you get time.

02:07:28.000 They have a weird schedule.

02:07:28.000 Lunch.

02:07:29.000 10 o'clock lunch.

02:07:30.000 And then from that point on, I would just read.

02:07:32.000 I would read from 10 a.m. until like 11 at night.

02:07:36.000 And I would take an hour break to work out.

02:07:37.000 Wow.

02:07:38.000 But I mean, I read the second year, I kept track.

02:07:41.000 I read 117 books.

02:07:42.000 Wow.

02:07:43.000 But there's nothing, but I could have read way more, but you went out of books.

02:07:47.000 You know, you went out of books.

02:07:48.000 It's so boring.

02:07:49.000 I only came out of my cell every other day for an hour.

02:07:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:07:52.000 And then just like just fucking bored, dude.

02:07:55.000 What is it like to not talk to people for so long?

02:07:58.000 I mean, you talk to, I mean, it's just weird, dude.

02:08:01.000 It's like a hard to say, but it's like a fucking time warp because when you're in there, the day goes by real slow, but like the months go by quick.

02:08:10.000 And then when you get out, it's like, it's like it was all a dream.

02:08:14.000 You weren't even in there.

02:08:14.000 It's weird.

02:08:15.000 It fucks through your head.

02:08:16.000 And then like, but it was horrible, man.

02:08:19.000 They underfed us so bad, dude.

02:08:20.000 They fucking underfed us bad.

02:08:21.000 Yeah.

02:08:22.000 In Las Vegas real bad.

02:08:24.000 I was trying to calculate how much protein I thought I was getting a day, and it was like 20, 30 grams, dude.

02:08:29.000 Whoa.

02:08:30.000 And here's how I know it's bullshit.

02:08:32.000 This is in Vegas, especially.

02:08:34.000 San Diego is better.

02:08:35.000 In Vegas, we only got a piece of fruit like twice a week.

02:08:38.000 So we got like an orange like twice or three times a week.

02:08:41.000 That's it.

02:08:42.000 But it was weird because Mayweather was there, right?

02:08:44.000 So when Mayweather got there, dude, his like two-month sentence, fucking, he started bitching at the judge, like, they're not feeding me enough.

02:08:52.000 They're giving me shit, food, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:08:54.000 All of a sudden, bam, fruit every day, big portions, all this shit.

02:08:59.000 For all of you.

02:08:59.000 Everyone, right?

02:09:00.000 Because I know why, because they were scared that Mayweather's camp was going to have the people that feed us, you know, investigate me.

02:09:08.000 You know, and guess what?

02:09:09.000 The second he left, went away.

02:09:11.000 Wow.

02:09:12.000 No shit.

02:09:12.000 I swear to God.

02:09:13.000 And I told one of the cool guards.

02:09:14.000 He said, hey, man, come here.

02:09:15.000 I said, you know, this motherfucker, that as soon as Mayweather started bitching at court, now we got bigger trays and we got fruit every day. 1.00

02:09:22.000 And then he started chuckling and he laughed.

02:09:24.000 He walked away.

02:09:24.000 But it's like they knew what was up.

02:09:26.000 They were underfeeding the fuck out of us.

02:09:28.000 So how many calories do you think you get a day?

02:09:31.000 Dude, it was shit.

02:09:34.000 I hard to say, but no more, less than 1,500.

02:09:37.000 Wow.

02:09:38.000 It was bad, dude.

02:09:39.000 I was fucking starving all the time.

02:09:40.000 So it must have been everyone was skinny then?

02:09:42.000 Yeah.

02:09:43.000 If you had money on a commissary, you can buy junk food.

02:09:45.000 They sell chips and bullshit like that. 0.99

02:09:47.000 But that said, they don't sell like healthy options.

02:09:49.000 Peanuts was the best.

02:09:51.000 Wow.

02:09:52.000 I would love them peanuts.

02:09:56.000 The food was bad, man.

02:09:58.000 It was real bad.

02:09:59.000 That was the worst part.

02:09:59.000 So For a year, just bad food by yourself, reading books.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, just going crazy on it.

02:10:05.000 What about what does it feel like to not talk to people for so long?

02:10:12.000 You know what?

02:10:12.000 It's weird.

02:10:15.000 You don't notice most until you get out.

02:10:17.000 When you get out, you're like culture shocked.

02:10:18.000 Because you go from no interaction, nothing, to like, cars going by, you know what I mean?

02:10:24.000 Just like, whoa, you know, like me, I take a medicine for anxiety and depression.

02:10:29.000 I take Lexapro because I have panic attacks and anxiety.

02:10:32.000 I've been on it since like 2006.

02:10:35.000 Lexapro is an antidepressant, right?

02:10:37.000 SSRI, yeah.

02:10:38.000 Mostly, I take it for anxiety because I would get panic attacks.

02:10:41.000 Ever since my dad died, I would get them.

02:10:43.000 And then like, I just battled them all my whole life and try to, oh, you know, like, I don't want to go to doctor, doctors for pussies, no medicines for pussies, you know? 1.00

02:10:50.000 And then finally, actually, what happened to me was on Ultimate Fighter House.

02:10:53.000 In the Ultimate Fighter House, like the lack of, I was so isolated, nothing to do, nothing.

02:11:01.000 It really got me bad.

02:11:02.000 And I was having anxiety attacks on the show.

02:11:03.000 And it was just like, I was a mess, right?

02:11:05.000 So when I got out of the Ultimate Fighter House, I finally said, fuck this, man.

02:11:09.000 I'm not going to pretend to be tough anymore.

02:11:10.000 I'm just going to go try to get help, you know?

02:11:12.000 And that shit made me 95% better, you know, in a lot of ways.

02:11:17.000 But when I was in San Diego, they gave it to me.

02:11:18.000 In Vegas, they wouldn't give it to me.

02:11:20.000 Really?

02:11:21.000 Yeah, they fucking wouldn't give it to me.

02:11:22.000 They're dicks.

02:11:22.000 So the whole year, Vegas was worse because I had a lot of anxiety in there.

02:11:27.000 And did you, is there like a wean-off period or did you just cold turkey?

02:11:33.000 A cold turkey, and you get withdrawals.

02:11:35.000 So like the first, the first like three weeks, I was miserable.

02:11:39.000 Like, I don't know, it was bad.

02:11:39.000 Real bad.

02:11:42.000 Then I settled down and I was kind of good, but I was just, it was shitty, man.

02:11:46.000 It was shitty.

02:11:47.000 So just a year of reading books and being by yourself.

02:11:47.000 Wow.

02:11:50.000 What about like hugging people and shit?

02:11:52.000 Yeah, you see, you get no interaction like that.

02:11:55.000 And even the visits.

02:11:56.000 In San Diego, the visits were behind glass so I could at least see you, you know, which was a lot better.

02:12:01.000 In Vegas, the videos were on Skype kind of thing, you know?

02:12:06.000 Really?

02:12:06.000 So they would come there and they'd be there, but you couldn't, you see them on Skype kind of thing.

02:12:10.000 Wow.

02:12:10.000 And half the time, the phone didn't work good or the screen didn't work good.

02:12:13.000 It was really like, after a while, I told the guards, I don't want no visits.

02:12:17.000 Cancel my visits because it made it harder for me.

02:12:20.000 Like, you know, you watch movies and people are like, in Vietnam movies, they're like, why didn't you write me back?

02:12:25.000 You know, like, I was in the war.

02:12:27.000 I wanted to focus on the war.

02:12:28.000 I didn't write back their families or whatever.

02:12:30.000 I can understand because when I was there, I didn't want any fucking visits.

02:12:33.000 I didn't call anybody.

02:12:35.000 I just sat there and I read my books.

02:12:36.000 And I did my jail blogs every week.

02:12:40.000 Yeah, I read those.

02:12:41.000 Yeah, I did those.

02:12:41.000 And I just sat there and just, you're in a bubble, man.

02:12:45.000 And it was hard for me because when I was in jail, I was married.

02:12:49.000 My wife got deported back to Hungary and all this shit.

02:12:52.000 So I didn't even get to say goodbye.

02:12:54.000 My grandma died when I was in jail.

02:12:55.000 And it was like, my grandma was living in Vegas, like fucking 10 minutes from the jail.

02:13:01.000 And I couldn't even say bye.

02:13:02.000 I can't she died, you know?

02:13:02.000 She was dying.

02:13:04.000 And it was like, it was rough.

02:13:07.000 That was a rough year last year.

02:13:09.000 Do you get young kids who might look up to you and they might be kind of going down the same path?

02:13:16.000 Do you get guys like that come up to you for advice and you tell them, just don't go to jail, man.

02:13:20.000 Whatever you do, figure out a way to get out of trouble.

02:13:22.000 Figure out a way to avoid violence.

02:13:25.000 Yeah, you know what?

02:13:25.000 I do it even in jail.

02:13:27.000 You know, I would talk to guys because, I mean, I was there for a fight and I'll talk to other guys, like, you know, especially the first year I was there when I was in general population.

02:13:35.000 And I would try to help them.

02:13:36.000 Like, hey, man, you're not going to fucking quit the drugs, dude, if you go get back out and hang out with the same friends.

02:13:42.000 Like, this is the bottom line.

02:13:43.000 You got to quit your friends.

02:13:44.000 You got to get new friends and new environment or you're going to go back.

02:13:46.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:13:47.000 So, you know what I mean?

02:13:48.000 Like, these guys, I would say the same thing.

02:13:50.000 That's it.

02:13:50.000 My problem is fighting.

02:13:51.000 All right.

02:13:52.000 If I go to a bar and get drunk, I'm not going to look for a fight, but guess what?

02:13:56.000 If something happens, I know it's a bad recipe.

02:13:59.000 You know, your problem is cocaine, but when you get out, you better not be around your friends and do cocaine, dude.

02:14:03.000 That's it.

02:14:04.000 So I would tell the guys, like, you know, it ain't worth it, motherfucker.

02:14:06.000 And these gangs, this gang bullshit.

02:14:08.000 I see, like, young kids that were 17, they brought straight from juvenile hall fighting a murder case.

02:14:15.000 And he's like, 17-year-old kid, he didn't even do it.

02:14:17.000 His friend did it.

02:14:19.000 But he's not going to rack because they don't rack.

02:14:21.000 You know, he's in a gang and shit.

02:14:23.000 But I said, man, your friend's a piece of shit.

02:14:24.000 He should have made he did it because you guys are both, you get, they get, they both get life, you know?

02:14:27.000 But his life's ruined.

02:14:28.000 So I tell the other young kids, man, hey, it ain't worth it, man.

02:14:31.000 Talk to the older guys.

02:14:33.000 You know, they gotta tell you, the older guys are always like, man, this was bullshit.

02:14:36.000 I wish I could take my life back, but it's too late.

02:14:39.000 And when you are in the wrong environment, man, especially with alcohol, it's so easy to get in trouble.

02:14:44.000 I mean, that story that you told about the old man that pushed the tow truck driver, and then next thing you know, he's in jail.

02:14:49.000 The next thing you know, he murders a guy in jail.

02:14:51.000 And next thing you know, he's probably in jail for life.

02:14:53.000 Who knows what happened to him?

02:14:54.000 He couldn't afford a good lawyer.

02:14:55.000 He was poor, you know.

02:14:57.000 We've got a real problem with that.

02:14:58.000 There's a real problem with that situation, that particular story.

02:15:02.000 It's like this hard buy-the-book shit where they don't look at each individual case as being a separate entity and say, oh, these are circumstances that are pretty unusual.

02:15:11.000 I see what's going on here.

02:15:12.000 This guy's not a criminal.

02:15:13.000 He just overreacted.

02:15:15.000 So you can't overreact like that.

02:15:17.000 Dude, you got to go to court.

02:15:18.000 I've been in court.

02:15:19.000 They go to court, they bring the whole bus of us to go to court sometimes.

02:15:22.000 And you watch the judges, man, giving out 15 years, 10 years.

02:15:27.000 Like, not even looking up in the paper.

02:15:29.000 10 years.

02:15:30.000 Like, it's like, what the fuck?

02:15:31.000 Like, this guy's giving out years.

02:15:32.000 Like, they don't understand how long that is.

02:15:34.000 They don't care.

02:15:35.000 They don't care.

02:15:35.000 They have no...

02:15:39.000 But sometimes it's like, fuck it.

02:15:40.000 You got to fuck.

02:15:41.000 Well, you heard about that judge in Pennsylvania that was putting kids in juvenile detention centers and getting paid for it.

02:15:47.000 He was doing it for years.

02:15:48.000 He just went to jail.

02:15:49.000 They sentenced him to like 25 plus years.

02:15:52.000 He's a fucking judge, man, and he was getting payoffs because of the same thing we talked about, about privatized prisons, about prisons making profit off of the amount of people that they have in them.

02:16:01.000 Dude, it...

02:16:01.000 Fucking madness, man.

02:16:02.000 It's fucking...

02:16:05.000 You're there for a year, shit diet, fucking no human interaction.

02:16:10.000 what is your first week like?

02:16:11.000 Uh, so I get out and then how, Well, that's the thing.

02:16:18.000 So when I first got out, I was so like, I don't know, man, I'm like, what's it called?

02:16:25.000 Conceited or whatever.

02:16:26.000 I like to look good, right?

02:16:27.000 My whole life I've been in shape.

02:16:29.000 My whole life I've been working out.

02:16:30.000 So when I got out of jail, I feel like insecure.

02:16:32.000 I'm like skinny fat.

02:16:34.000 I just have a shitty body.

02:16:35.000 I'm pale.

02:16:36.000 I feel ugly, right?

02:16:37.000 So I didn't get pussy for a month because I was trying to get in decent shape first. 0.97

02:16:41.000 I just felt like insecure, dude.

02:16:43.000 It was weird.

02:16:43.000 Plus, the first...

02:16:46.000 Both times I got out of jail, the first two weeks were hard, man.

02:16:48.000 My anxiety's bad.

02:16:49.000 Did you get on the Lexapro right away when you got out?

02:16:53.000 Yeah.

02:16:54.000 Right when I got out, I got it right away.

02:16:56.000 So the first...

02:16:58.000 In jail, I didn't cry ever in jail.

02:16:59.000 Not because I'm tough.

02:17:00.000 I just didn't cry.

02:17:01.000 I don't know why.

02:17:01.000 Even my ground-thead, I didn't cry.

02:17:02.000 I just sat there numb, right?

02:17:04.000 But when I got out, the first two weeks, I would cry every night in bed.

02:17:07.000 What the fuck?

02:17:09.000 Getting out is so much...

02:17:11.000 Shit's hitting you at the same time.

02:17:12.000 It's just like...

02:17:13.000 Like when I first walked into the gym, I started crying.

02:17:15.000 Like just like too much emotion, too much weird...

02:17:17.000 From going from no interaction to bam.

02:17:20.000 Like on the freeway, this, that, this, that going crazy.

02:17:23.000 It's too much, dude.

02:17:24.000 And you go sensory overload.

02:17:25.000 And I can't even explain it.

02:17:27.000 It was just fucking weird.

02:17:28.000 Really weird.

02:17:29.000 And I'm like...

02:17:29.000 You didn't expect that?

02:17:31.000 And suicidal too.

02:17:31.000 Like I was going to kill myself.

02:17:33.000 Really?

02:17:33.000 Yeah.

02:17:34.000 And what was the motivation to kill yourself?

02:17:39.000 Like what were you so upset about?

02:17:42.000 It's just that you get overloaded with emotion.

02:17:45.000 I don't know.

02:17:47.000 It's weird.

02:17:47.000 Like you can't go from...

02:17:48.000 You just want it out?

02:17:49.000 You can't go from like being in a box to real life.

02:17:52.000 They should like gradually like adjust you.

02:17:54.000 Like a halfway house? 0.93

02:17:55.000 I don't know.

02:17:56.000 Something.

02:17:56.000 Because it's too much at one time.

02:17:59.000 And like now everything's real.

02:18:01.000 When I was in jail, nothing's real.

02:18:02.000 When you're in jail, it's like a...

02:18:03.000 It's a fake world, man.

02:18:05.000 It doesn't seem real.

02:18:05.000 And you get out.

02:18:06.000 And it's like that was a dream.

02:18:08.000 And now all of a sudden, your wife really got deported.

02:18:10.000 Your grandma's really dead.

02:18:11.000 Your grandpa's really miserable as fuck.

02:18:14.000 Dan wants to die.

02:18:15.000 You know, like you have to pay bills.

02:18:17.000 Now they want me to fight Paul Daly right off the bat in three months.

02:18:21.000 What the fuck?

02:18:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:18:22.000 I'm like too much stress.

02:18:24.000 And you start going crazy, dude.

02:18:26.000 And you just feel like miserable.

02:18:29.000 The hardest part about jail for me was getting out the first few weeks.

02:18:32.000 That's a crazy thing.

02:18:33.000 So this is the Bellator.

02:18:35.000 This is your Bellator contract.

02:18:36.000 They wanted you to fight Daly three weeks, three months after you got out of jail?

02:18:39.000 Yeah, because what they did was they did a fan fight vote when I was in jail.

02:18:43.000 Me, Daly, Saunders, and Lima.

02:18:46.000 And like the fans vote.

02:18:48.000 And whoever wins the top two votes is going to win.

02:18:49.000 I said, Bjorn, I'm going to win, dumbass.

02:18:52.000 Like I'm going to win.

02:18:53.000 He said, no you're not.

02:18:54.000 I said, I'm going to fucking win the vote, dude.

02:18:55.000 No one else is going to get more votes than me.

02:18:57.000 I'm telling you I'm going to win, dude.

02:18:58.000 I don't want to fight.

02:18:59.000 I don't want to fight none of those guys in my first fight after three months.

02:19:02.000 He's like, you're not going to win, dude.

02:19:04.000 Fucking, I won by like 10 times as many votes as anyone else.

02:19:09.000 It was like me versus Daly was number one.

02:19:11.000 Then me versus Saunders.

02:19:12.000 Then me versus Lima.

02:19:13.000 It was like, fuck, great.

02:19:14.000 So I don't fight in Daly first.

02:19:15.000 Then.

02:19:15.000 Like whatever, right?

02:19:16.000 So what do they say to you when you bring that up?

02:19:18.000 I was like, I told you.

02:19:18.000 Like, I told you, bitch.

02:19:19.000 They're like, fuck, man.

02:19:20.000 Like, you killed it.

02:19:21.000 Yeah, I'm like, but it wasn't like, it wasn't even a.

02:19:24.000 And then it was a tournament.

02:19:25.000 So the tournament is three fights.

02:19:27.000 So I was like, it was the first fight in the tournament.

02:19:29.000 So I'm like, fuck, now I'm getting the first.

02:19:30.000 It's like, basically, you got your two top seeds, most popular guys fighting in the first fight for the least amount of money.

02:19:36.000 Because, you know, it graduates.

02:19:37.000 Like seven and seven in the first fight, 15 and 15, then the rest.

02:19:40.000 So it's like, whoever loses in the first round, I want to make seven grand.

02:19:43.000 It's like, neither one of us want to make seven grand.

02:19:46.000 Like, fuck.

02:19:46.000 That's so crazy.

02:19:47.000 Seven grand for a professional MMA fight on television.

02:19:49.000 Yeah.

02:19:51.000 But that was the same thing in the UFC, too, you know.

02:19:54.000 For lower, yeah, for anyone, you know.

02:19:54.000 With everyone.

02:19:56.000 But either way, like, but the tournament's good because a tournament should be seeded.

02:20:00.000 So the two guys, the two best guys should fight at the end.

02:20:03.000 It's not in the fucking beginning.

02:20:05.000 You know, so I was like, fuck.

02:20:05.000 Right.

02:20:06.000 Anyway, I'm training, getting back in shape.

02:20:08.000 And a month into it, I tore my ACL.

02:20:10.000 Bam.

02:20:11.000 So I tore my ACL, not a bad tear, not all the way through, but a tear.

02:20:15.000 Partial.

02:20:16.000 And I fractured my tibia, tibial plateau.

02:20:20.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:20:22.000 So I'm like, fuck.

02:20:23.000 So I just got out, and now this happens.

02:20:24.000 And I blame it on the nutrition.

02:20:25.000 I think my body and my bones were still leeched from that whole year of starving and bad nutrition.

02:20:31.000 I've never been hurt before, you know.

02:20:33.000 And right away, bam, my tear.

02:20:35.000 I'm sure it didn't help.

02:20:36.000 Yeah, you know.

02:20:37.000 It also didn't help being out of shape like that and having to force yourself to get, you know, train in a high level.

02:20:41.000 So I tear that, and then.

02:20:43.000 Did you get it fixed?

02:20:44.000 No.

02:20:45.000 I still haven't had it fixed yet.

02:20:46.000 Really?

02:20:46.000 Yeah.

02:20:47.000 Is it buckle?

02:20:47.000 How bad is it?

02:20:49.000 No, it is buckle.

02:20:50.000 It's pretty strong.

02:20:50.000 So it was a partial tear.

02:20:52.000 It's a partial tear.

02:20:52.000 Yeah, it wasn't bad.

02:20:53.000 So did you rehab it in any way?

02:20:54.000 Did you do like prolotherapy or anything like that?

02:20:57.000 I'm poor, you know.

02:20:58.000 You got out of jail, you're real poor, you know.

02:21:00.000 Yeah.

02:21:01.000 Like when I got out of jail, I was living in my student's garage.

02:21:03.000 Like in a garage, you know.

02:21:05.000 And I was driving this piece of shit car, and I was broke as fuck, you know.

02:21:09.000 So I just like sucked it up.

02:21:10.000 And, you know, I figured, how did I make money then?

02:21:14.000 I don't even remember how I made money.

02:21:17.000 So how long have you been fighting for Bellator now?

02:21:21.000 Since the last year.

02:21:22.000 So then after I fixed my knee, bam, I went and fought Blasavanna.

02:21:26.000 First fight back, I T-Killed him in the second round with crucifix.

02:21:31.000 Then I went to the tournament, and I fought this guy, Von Anderson.

02:21:36.000 He was from China, a white guy, though.

02:21:37.000 Yeah, weird guy.

02:21:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:39.000 Yeah.

02:21:39.000 Beat him.

02:21:40.000 Called you a jailbird.

02:21:41.000 Yeah, he was a dick.

02:21:42.000 See, that's the thing.

02:21:43.000 I don't ever talk shit about my opponents.

02:21:45.000 Like, I'm a wild man outside my shenanigans, but usually when I fight, I come, I'll fight.

02:21:51.000 I'll fight as hard as I can, but I'm not going to say shit.

02:21:53.000 But if you start it, then I'm nightmare personal.

02:21:56.000 And I don't have a...

02:21:57.000 To me, you cross the line, cross the line, and that's it.

02:22:00.000 I don't play the fucking bullshit game of like, oh, it's for show.

02:22:03.000 It ain't for show, motherfucker.

02:22:04.000 Like, if you want to play the game, it's for real for me.

02:22:06.000 What do you think about Bellator?

02:22:08.000 Well, the situation with Bellator that I thought was really strange was the Chandler situation, the Chandler and Alvarez situation, and then the Askren thing.

02:22:16.000 Like, how do they let Askren go when he's the champ?

02:22:19.000 You know what?

02:22:20.000 Like, Bellator is awesome.

02:22:22.000 They treat me good, dude.

02:22:24.000 I like him a lot, right?

02:22:25.000 I think, and Askren, I think really, he's a nightmare, dude.

02:22:30.000 He's a fucking nightmare.

02:22:32.000 He's invincible, and he's boring, and no one wants to see him fight.

02:22:35.000 And it's the truth.

02:22:36.000 They created a monster, you know what I mean?

02:22:36.000 And he's invincible.

02:22:38.000 So he wanted to go, good, get the fuck out of here.

02:22:40.000 It was almost like they let Alvarez go.

02:22:43.000 Right.

02:22:44.000 Why?

02:22:44.000 Because Alvarez is marketable.

02:22:45.000 Yeah, because he fights wild.

02:22:47.000 Askren, no one wants...

02:22:48.000 He doesn't have so many fans.

02:22:49.000 And the UFC didn't want him either because he's...

02:22:52.000 What if Askren goes there and beats everyone?

02:22:53.000 I want to see it.

02:22:55.000 Yeah, he won't.

02:22:56.000 But what if he did?

02:22:56.000 He has no hands.

02:22:57.000 Then you got this fucking guy.

02:22:59.000 Matt Lillen part two.

02:23:01.000 Matt Lillen was invincible.

02:23:02.000 He lost one time to fucking Dave Terrell.

02:23:02.000 Right?

02:23:05.000 Yeah.

02:23:06.000 They fired him because they're like, thank God we got rid of Matt Lillen.

02:23:08.000 Because he was not marketable.

02:23:09.000 Well, following Nico Vitale, too, he knocked himself out.

02:23:12.000 Remember?

02:23:12.000 He went to...

02:23:13.000 Oh, he threw him on his own head.

02:23:14.000 Yeah, he lateral dropped him.

02:23:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:23:15.000 And he landed on his own head.

02:23:16.000 But still, he didn't deserve to get fired yet.

02:23:17.000 they wanted rid of him you know what i mean suplex that's what it was They wanted rid of him.

02:23:21.000 Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

02:23:23.000 So, like, so now Ashkrin's in no man's land. 0.91

02:23:24.000 Ashkrin fucked up.

02:23:25.000 She just stayed in Bellator.

02:23:28.000 He's going to fight in China.

02:23:29.000 He's gonna fight in the 1FC, right?

02:23:30.000 Yeah, but...

02:23:31.000 I think they're paying him good, though.

02:23:33.000 They have to be, but, like, he's out of...

02:23:35.000 He's...

02:23:39.000 Bellator is the second most exposure that you can get.

02:23:41.000 1FC, no one's going to watch.

02:23:42.000 Who's going to watch?

02:23:43.000 Me, man.

02:23:44.000 Me personally, I'm a purist.

02:23:46.000 And I feel like if there's a guy like Ben Askren that can hold you down and dry hump you for five rounds, that's what he can do.

02:23:52.000 Like if that guy should be able to fight, and if he could take guys down and give them noogies and elbow them and punch them in the head and hold everybody down for five rounds, then that's reality.

02:24:02.000 That's reality.

02:24:03.000 You can't hide that.

02:24:04.000 You can't like not have that guy fight because you're worried he's going to be boring.

02:24:08.000 He's doing everything according to the rules.

02:24:10.000 Like you can't penalize a guy because you don't particularly like his style.

02:24:14.000 And that's my issue that I have with it.

02:24:16.000 You can't, but every organization does.

02:24:18.000 I think they're crazy.

02:24:19.000 I would never do it.

02:24:20.000 If I was running Bellator, I would give the guy his fucking money.

02:24:23.000 Nobody could beat him.

02:24:23.000 He's the champ.

02:24:24.000 It's kind of interesting.

02:24:25.000 It's kind of interesting.

02:24:26.000 You got a boring champ.

02:24:27.000 You got a guy like Douglas Lima, who's this fucking beast, smashing people.

02:24:30.000 Lima's vicious dude.

02:24:31.000 Vicious, vicious dude.

02:24:33.000 Takes him down.

02:24:34.000 Like nothing.

02:24:34.000 Nookie sandwiches, bitch.

02:24:36.000 He just beats his ass.

02:24:37.000 And Lima's a huge giant.

02:24:39.000 Yes.

02:24:39.000 And Ashkrin's small for every Walter.

02:24:41.000 Yep.

02:24:41.000 And Ashkrin takes him down.

02:24:43.000 No problem.

02:24:43.000 Manhandles him.

02:24:44.000 But it all comes down to the ratings, dude.

02:24:47.000 I don't give a fuck.

02:24:48.000 I really think that the ratings are very important, but the product has to be pure.

02:24:53.000 As soon as you fuck with things like, you remember when Elite XC was standing people up?

02:24:57.000 They'd go down for like 15 seconds and stand them up.

02:25:00.000 They stood up big country.

02:25:01.000 He had Andre Orlovsky inside control and he's working on a Kimura and they stood him up.

02:25:07.000 He had the double wrist lock.

02:25:08.000 He had the whole thing up there and they stood him up.

02:25:10.000 And I was like, what the fuck is this?

02:25:12.000 Side control, you're standing a guy up.

02:25:14.000 They stood dudes up from the mount.

02:25:16.000 Guys are full mount and they stood him up.

02:25:18.000 It's crazy.

02:25:19.000 They wanted to be almost no ground time.

02:25:22.000 They wanted almost no ground time.

02:25:23.000 But when you do that, you're changing what MMA really is.

02:25:26.000 MMA is a fight.

02:25:28.000 And in those five minutes, you've got some specific rules.

02:25:30.000 You can't kick in the groin, can't poke in the eyes, can't pull a guy's hair.

02:25:33.000 Go.

02:25:34.000 I mean, you know what the rules are.

02:25:35.000 Don't kick a down opponent.

02:25:36.000 Everything else you could do.

02:25:37.000 And if a guy like Askin could just take dudes down and get on top of them and punch them in the face and they can't do shit about it.

02:25:43.000 I mean, he's winning within the rules.

02:25:44.000 He's winning.

02:25:45.000 You got to let him win.

02:25:46.000 You got to let him win.

02:25:47.000 You got to let him try to win.

02:25:48.000 But it's the only reason I can think why they didn't keep him and why the UFC.

02:25:52.000 Why didn't the UFC want him?

02:25:53.000 Listen, if the UFC took him and then he fights Johnny Hendrix and gets put into night nightland, that's fantastic.

02:25:58.000 That's interesting.

02:25:59.000 But UFC, I think, is scared.

02:26:00.000 Maybe he won't.

02:26:01.000 He could not.

02:26:01.000 It's possible.

02:26:02.000 It's totally possible if you look at his record.

02:26:05.000 Well, one guy gave him a hard time.

02:26:06.000 Jay Haron gave a real hard time.

02:26:07.000 That would have split decision.

02:26:08.000 He can wrestle and box.

02:26:09.000 Yeah, he could wrestle anything.

02:26:10.000 That's right.

02:26:11.000 I don't think Hendrix would have killed him.

02:26:14.000 His cost check, I think, would kill him.

02:26:15.000 Anyone that could wrestle and punch.

02:26:17.000 But I want to see it.

02:26:18.000 I want to see it.

02:26:18.000 I want to see it too.

02:26:19.000 I want to see a guy be effective until he can't be effective anymore.

02:26:22.000 Like people said, like, they asked me, like, were you sad when Anderson Silva got beat?

02:26:26.000 I was like, no, I'm never sad when anybody gets beat.

02:26:29.000 I'm sad if someone gets hurt.

02:26:30.000 I was more sad the second fight to see a dude fuck his leg up like that.

02:26:34.000 But I want to see a guy like Anderson Silva, who looks invincible, a guy figures that out.

02:26:40.000 That's the evolution of the game.

02:26:42.000 It's all about that.

02:26:43.000 And if it was, you know, whoever it was, whether it was Vitor, whether it was Chris Wideman, whoever it is, I like to see these guys figure it out.

02:26:50.000 I like to see a guy solve a guy.

02:26:52.000 But I mean, that's the only reason that I can say why UFC didn't sign them.

02:26:56.000 I don't see it.

02:26:57.000 I mean, I don't understand what it is.

02:26:58.000 I think it was also the issue that they thought that Bellator was playing games and like, you know, Bellator was, you know, like that they might, you know, say, oh, we cast off our chip.

02:27:07.000 We didn't even want him anymore.

02:27:08.000 The UFC took him.

02:27:09.000 Ha ha.

02:27:10.000 The guy's boring.

02:27:10.000 They're dummies.

02:27:11.000 And when Bjorn was saying that I'm not a fan of his style, you know, like the guy's affected, but he's kind of boring.

02:27:18.000 I don't find him boring.

02:27:19.000 As a person who grapples, I get fascinated by how the fuck he does it.

02:27:23.000 I don't know.

02:27:23.000 I want to roll with the guy because I want to feel it because I don't get it.

02:27:27.000 I mean, I see him manhandle dudes.

02:27:28.000 And I've wrestled dudes that are real.

02:27:30.000 You know who Eric Bradley is?

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:32.000 High-level wrestler.

02:27:33.000 He was training at 10th Planet once.

02:27:35.000 We were doing these neon belly drills.

02:27:36.000 That dude threw me off him like I was a fucking pillow.

02:27:39.000 Like there's certain dudes who have that creepy wrestling strength.

02:27:42.000 You know, and when I was on the bottom, when he was doing neon belly on me, I wasn't going nowhere, man.

02:27:47.000 That's where I was.

02:27:48.000 That's where I was staying.

02:27:49.000 And he wasn't any bigger than me, like maybe 10 pounds bigger than me.

02:27:52.000 There's something weird that those like Olympic level, high-level grapplers have a weird strength.

02:27:57.000 That fucker I was with yesterday, the Olympian, the silver medalist, dude, when he was on top of me, bro.

02:28:03.000 He's smaller than me, first of all.

02:28:05.000 And I'm strong.

02:28:06.000 He felt fucking strong as fuck.

02:28:08.000 Retarded, like, just so strong, like, like a rock. 1.00

02:28:12.000 It was something else.

02:28:13.000 It's your whole life just grappling.

02:28:15.000 Those guys develop freaky strength.

02:28:16.000 He just like, like, he doesn't really have that good at jujutsu, so he just could hold me there.

02:28:20.000 But I couldn't, I'm good at getting up.

02:28:22.000 Dude, I was like, fuck, get this guy off me, dude.

02:28:24.000 Yeah.

02:28:24.000 He's stuck on me, you know?

02:28:26.000 Yeah, there's some freaky dudes like that, man, that have that freaky grappler strength.

02:28:29.000 And obviously, Asprin has it because if you look at his body, I mean, he doesn't look like a bodybuilder at all.

02:28:35.000 He doesn't look strong.

02:28:36.000 I mean, he looks like an athlete, but he doesn't look like a guy who even does much strength and conditioning.

02:28:41.000 He's one of them freaks, you know?

02:28:43.000 He just ragdolls people. 0.99

02:28:44.000 It's weird to watch.

02:28:45.000 I was really looking forward to him.

02:28:47.000 When they said that Bellator was not going to sign him, I was looking forward to that guy being in the UFC.

02:28:52.000 Why stop so many matchups?

02:28:53.000 He should be in the UFC.

02:28:54.000 Him and Robbie Lawler.

02:28:55.000 I would want to see if Robbie could stop that takedown.

02:28:57.000 I want to see what happens to him when he gets hit by a demon.

02:29:02.000 What if he gets in there with Carlos Condit and if Condit could stop the shot and he's going to stand up with him?

02:29:08.000 I want to see him against the real high-level guys.

02:29:11.000 Now he's going to be fighting dudes you never heard of in China.

02:29:14.000 Maybe Aoki.

02:29:15.000 He'll fight Aoki.

02:29:17.000 He's over there, right?

02:29:18.000 Yeah, he'll just wrestle him to death.

02:29:20.000 Do you feel like there's enough options?

02:29:22.000 I mean, there's Bellator, there's a UFC, and then there's not this World Series of Fighting, and then there's a WFA.

02:29:28.000 There's a few other ones, or what is the RFA?

02:29:30.000 RFA, Ed Source's organization?

02:29:32.000 I mean, to me, the only legit organizations is UFC and Bellator.

02:29:37.000 Like, World Series Farms is legit, but it hasn't been a long time.

02:29:40.000 I don't think it's going to last.

02:29:41.000 How long is it going to be around?

02:29:42.000 You know, these things pop up and they disappear.

02:29:44.000 And I heard they're paying kind of too much.

02:29:46.000 And I don't know.

02:29:48.000 I just don't know if they're really going to last.

02:29:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:29:51.000 They're on NBC late at night, right?

02:29:54.000 But I heard they pay for their spot and shit.

02:29:56.000 Could they have an infomercial?

02:29:58.000 Because the NBC is not promoting it.

02:29:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:00.000 Right at all.

02:30:00.000 To me, if you're not, you got to be in Bellator or UFC.

02:30:03.000 One's badass, too, but you get no exposure.

02:30:06.000 You can't get sponsors because no one's going to see the fight.

02:30:08.000 So you got to be on American TV.

02:30:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:10.000 So you got to be in either UFC or Bellator.

02:30:13.000 And to me, like, fucking, I'm happy at Bellator because they give me freedom, dude.

02:30:21.000 Like, I know goddamn well.

02:30:22.000 People are like, would you ever go back to the UFC?

02:30:24.000 Would I ever go back to the UFC?

02:30:26.000 The question doesn't matter.

02:30:27.000 The answer doesn't matter because guess what?

02:30:29.000 I'll be fired every week.

02:30:31.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:31.000 Like, doesn't matter.

02:30:32.000 Just for your blowjob tweets. 0.60

02:30:33.000 Yeah, if I couldn't do shit in the UFC, I'd be fired.

02:30:37.000 So it doesn't matter if I go back to the UFC.

02:30:39.000 I don't want to care about it.

02:30:40.000 Right now, what I want to do, I want to fight for Bell Vulture, and I'm going to win.

02:30:42.000 I want to do good.

02:30:44.000 And I'm going to start this side business with my Navy SEAL friends and the t-shirt company.

02:30:49.000 That's it.

02:30:50.000 I do alpha male shit t-shirts.

02:30:52.000 Which is very funny.

02:30:53.000 I love those shirts.

02:30:54.000 They're tongue-in-cheek.

02:30:55.000 They're funny.

02:30:57.000 It's because all these fighters make the mistake of making a t-shirt with like war machine on it.

02:30:57.000 You know why?

02:31:04.000 Not everyone knows who I am, dude.

02:31:06.000 And not everyone likes me.

02:31:07.000 So for years, my fucking, my little profile on my Twitter and everything says, all of a sudden, instead of like, you have seen better and bro, it says, I do alpha male shit.

02:31:16.000 That's it, right?

02:31:17.000 So I said, I'll make that shirt.

02:31:18.000 That way, guys will see it and they'll be like, they don't need to know who the fuck I am.

02:31:22.000 I don't care about me, but buy the shirt because you like what it says, you know?

02:31:25.000 I sell way more.

02:31:25.000 If I made a shirt that said War Machine, I wouldn't sell not nearly as much.

02:31:28.000 I sell hundreds of these.

02:31:29.000 That's funny.

02:31:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:31:30.000 It's a smart move.

02:31:31.000 There's a lot of dudes who want to pretend to be alpha.

02:31:33.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:35.000 And you know, and like, if I just want to do this, I want to fight in Belvator to do these shirts.

02:31:39.000 And me and my Navy SEAL buddies, we're getting a government contract to, we're building a whole curriculum, dude.

02:31:45.000 So it's three SEALs, me and Brony.

02:31:48.000 And we're building, me and Brony are putting on Navy SEAL gear, and we're going to wrestle in it and shit.

02:31:53.000 We're going to actually develop a brand new curriculum from start to finish.

02:31:56.000 And we're getting government contracts to train SEALs and green braves around the country.

02:32:00.000 That's a great idea.

02:32:01.000 And it's going to be fucking lucrative, dude.

02:32:03.000 It's going to be money, dude.

02:32:04.000 Brandon Wolf, remember him?

02:32:06.000 He was an ex-SEAL.

02:32:07.000 He fought the UFC.

02:32:08.000 He's doing a similar thing on the East Coast.

02:32:11.000 But they did opposite.

02:32:12.000 They did it where SEALs invented moves and then they had Brandon since he fought to help them teach it.

02:32:19.000 We're going to have us wear the shit and invent moves and we're going to teach it.

02:32:19.000 So we're doing the opposite.

02:32:22.000 But it's going to be like, it's never been done before.

02:32:25.000 And we already have like, my buddy has all the government contracts.

02:32:28.000 So it could be a thing where if it gets big enough, it could be like where we can hire out other fighters that are done fighting because a lot of us don't have a shit to do, dude.

02:32:36.000 Like a lot of us don't have a backup.

02:32:38.000 If you're not the champ, you don't make enough money to have a backup plan.

02:32:40.000 So if I can make fucking $150,000 a year training SEALs and green braids, this hand-to-hand shit, and then if it gets too big, we could hire fucking this guy and that guy.

02:32:50.000 Oh, you're done fighting?

02:32:51.000 Come work for us.

02:32:52.000 We could train you the moves.

02:32:53.000 We could do it.

02:32:54.000 That's a smart thing, too, because there's some specialists in on-armed combat when it comes to removing guns from people and removing knives from people.

02:33:02.000 There are some specialists.

02:33:03.000 But outside of that, most of their hand-to-hand combat shit is bullshit.

02:33:08.000 It's not real.

02:33:09.000 It's not going to work.

02:33:10.000 I was watching this show the other night.

02:33:11.000 I was watching this the Sportsman's Network.

02:33:14.000 Late at night, they have these self-defense scenarios.

02:33:17.000 Like a guy got attacked in an elevator and he's controlling this guy's arm and then he pulls his gun out and he shoots the guy after he's controlling this guy's arm.

02:33:24.000 And I'm like, why is that guy just standing there?

02:33:26.000 Like he's not going to, you're not going to control a guy's arm like that.

02:33:29.000 If a guy knows how to fight, what about his other arm?

02:33:31.000 He ain't doing shit about this arm.

02:33:32.000 There's so many facts.

02:33:34.000 What if he pulls his arm out?

02:33:34.000 What if he moves?

02:33:35.000 What if he kicks you in the dick?

02:33:37.000 Like there's a lot of shit going on.

02:33:38.000 What you should know, and this is what I was on Opie and Anthony once and they used to have this dude that worked for them was like this fake karate guy who was talking all this mad stupid shit about you know there's sport and then there's what works on the street like no dummy here's what works what works with trained killers that works on everybody when you when your shit works on anderson silver your shit works on everybody what that's the thing is like you know i've been at it i've been training a long time you know like but i'll be at a jutter gym a new guy will come in he's like oh well like i did crab my guard like right now i could poke your eyes i

02:34:08.000 I said, poke him. 0.96

02:34:10.000 Poke him.

02:34:10.000 You can't.

02:34:11.000 I said, try to poke him.

02:34:13.000 Just try.

02:34:13.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:14.000 And you can't, motherfucker.

02:34:14.000 Just try.

02:34:15.000 Because if I'm on the mount, you can't reach my eyes and I can reach yours.

02:34:19.000 I'll poke your fucking eyes.

02:34:20.000 And if you're my guard, you ain't gonna reach my eyes either because I'm gonna have my underhook.

02:34:24.000 You're not gonna get my eyes.

02:34:25.000 Yeah, try biting through my calf. 0.95

02:34:26.000 Someone said that once.

02:34:27.000 I'll bite through your calf if you try to armbar me. 1.00

02:34:29.000 No, you won't.

02:34:30.000 That will hurt.

02:34:30.000 You won't.

02:34:31.000 That will hurt.

02:34:32.000 I'll break your fucking arm. 0.58

02:34:33.000 Can you bite through a steak if I gave you a fucking giant ham?

02:34:36.000 Like a ham that hasn't been cooked yet.

02:34:38.000 Do you think you can bite through that?

02:34:39.000 No, you can hurt it.

02:34:40.000 It'll beouchy.

02:34:42.000 It won't feel good.

02:34:43.000 It's like, all right, well, now use your eye pokes with Jiu-Jitsu, motherfucker.

02:34:43.000 That's the whole thing.

02:34:47.000 Yeah.

02:34:47.000 If you can learn how to mount someone, now you can really poke their eyes good.

02:34:49.000 Yeah.

02:34:49.000 And that's the thing with a street fighter.

02:34:51.000 It's like, well, it won't work.

02:34:52.000 Street fighting is all who's willing to go farther.

02:34:55.000 So maybe we're fighting.

02:34:57.000 And if you want to try to headbutt me or bite me, either that's gonna scare me, I'm gonna disengage, or I'm gonna go, oh, okay, motherfucker, and I'm gonna do it too.

02:35:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:06.000 So it's always like, who goes farther, who goes farther?

02:35:08.000 You know, it's how serious you're willing to get.

02:35:11.000 That's why.

02:35:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:35:11.000 Do you remember those felony fights?

02:35:13.000 Yeah.

02:35:13.000 You ever remember that shit?

02:35:14.000 There was one of them where a dude held a guy down, he was biting his face.

02:35:18.000 It was so fucked up.

02:35:19.000 He was holding him down and just biting his face.

02:35:22.000 The guy had just giant bite marks on his face, and the guy quit.

02:35:25.000 After the dude bit his face, he was like, what the fuck, man?

02:35:28.000 He's like, hey, didn't say I can't bite your face.

02:35:30.000 He goes, how far are you willing to go, dude?

02:35:33.000 Yeah, you always hear stories about some dude in some town who bit some dude's nose off.

02:35:38.000 You're like, Jesus fucking Christ.

02:35:40.000 but he doesn't have his nose off but you're right about about those hand-to-hand guys they don't they don't they don't my friends are seals and they're like they'll do they teach it they said they thought they taught us it's like a keto or something they'll shoot the fuck out of you yeah but hand-to-hand you know they don't know so like if we can invent a curriculum that's legit because always they're never gonna be in a fight but if they're going through a hallway with the gun and someone jumps out of a door and grabs them and they're tangled up they need to be able to defend themselves right then real quick.

02:36:06.000 You need to know how to do that.

02:36:07.000 And that's something that for the longest time before the UFC came around, really, before MMA came around, people didn't really know what was the stuff that worked.

02:36:15.000 Because how many times do you get in a fight in an elevator where you got to pull your gun?

02:36:19.000 So dudes would be inventing a bunch of shit that could work.

02:36:21.000 And then from here, I'm controlling his arm.

02:36:24.000 He's in my position for me to land a devastating elbow. 1.00

02:36:27.000 And from here, he's done.

02:36:28.000 Like, he's not.

02:36:29.000 That's why I was in Hungary once visiting my ex-wife's family.

02:36:33.000 And I trained there when I was in Hungary.

02:36:35.000 And I found a good gym to train.

02:36:36.000 Then I found another gym.

02:36:37.000 And it was like these fucking Japanese jiu-jitsu, like Akido kind of guy.

02:36:41.000 And he was showing me shit for like an hour, just twisting it.

02:36:44.000 He was like showing me stuff, but I'm letting him do it.

02:36:46.000 I'm like, fuck, this shit's badass.

02:36:48.000 Maybe, I said, maybe it does kind of work.

02:36:50.000 Then at the end, we wrestled.

02:36:52.000 It was fucking, never once was I ever in anything.

02:36:55.000 I mean, like, not one thing.

02:36:57.000 I didn't even have to defend one thing.

02:36:59.000 It was just that it doesn't work.

02:37:00.000 It doesn't fucking work.

02:37:01.000 Yeah, somebody told me that Aikido is really effective.

02:37:03.000 You know, you just have to have a true Akido master.

02:37:05.000 I'm like, well, get an Aikido master to fight an Akagon.

02:37:07.000 I would love to see it.

02:37:08.000 I would love to see a guy just stand there and just flip people like effortlessly, have them soar through the kids.

02:37:13.000 I wish it worked.

02:37:14.000 Like we were kids, and we watched Steven Segal and Van Dam.

02:37:17.000 I wish that shit was the best.

02:37:18.000 That's the best.

02:37:19.000 It's fun.

02:37:19.000 But it just isn't, dude.

02:37:21.000 Yeah, no.

02:37:22.000 But that's the most important thing about mixed martial arts is that we know now more about martial arts than people did 20, 30 years ago.

02:37:29.000 We just know more for a fact.

02:37:31.000 We know what's more effective.

02:37:32.000 Yeah, because, you know, back in the old days, everyone gets by with like, they don't have to prove it.

02:37:38.000 I have the belt.

02:37:38.000 That's it.

02:37:39.000 This is the best.

02:37:40.000 I'm the teacher.

02:37:40.000 You stand still.

02:37:41.000 I'm going to show you the move.

02:37:42.000 You don't spoil the fucking teacher.

02:37:42.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 You know, like, like, you know, I'm at my gym with Barry Yoshida.

02:37:47.000 He's choking me.

02:37:48.000 I'm trying to get him.

02:37:49.000 We're fighting all day long.

02:37:50.000 We're fighting.

02:37:50.000 He's my teacher.

02:37:52.000 No other martial art do you really fight your teacher.

02:37:54.000 Right, right, right.

02:37:54.000 And tap your teacher sometimes.

02:37:56.000 You know, Eddie Bravo goes to town with his students, and I've seen him get tapped by guys, by black belts or brown belts or what have you, because he takes chances, and he'll fight five guys in a row, and he's exhausted.

02:38:06.000 That's what's called training.

02:38:07.000 I mean, that's what it's about.

02:38:09.000 That's where you want to lose.

02:38:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:38:11.000 And if you're afraid to lose, then you're afraid to get better.

02:38:13.000 If you're afraid to get better, you're going to be stagnant and you're always going to shy away from rolling with anybody that can tap you.

02:38:20.000 This is the difference between people that don't understand, that have never trained before.

02:38:24.000 If you never trained before, you'll never understand the correct mentality.

02:38:29.000 The correct mentality is like Marcelo Garcia has the best statement about that.

02:38:33.000 He's like, you have to open up your game in the gym.

02:38:35.000 That's the only way to get better.

02:38:38.000 You have to give yourself the potential to get tapped.

02:38:42.000 If you don't, you're not going to be able to tap a guy.

02:38:44.000 But if you do, you figure, just tap, just tap and move on.

02:38:47.000 Go next.

02:38:48.000 Barrett, I mean, he's small.

02:38:48.000 That's like Barret.

02:38:50.000 He's fucking 135.

02:38:51.000 He's a bad motherfucker, though.

02:38:52.000 He's a fucking, and he's a maniac.

02:38:54.000 Barrett is a fucking addictive personality to the core.

02:38:58.000 His drug is his jiu-jitsu.

02:38:59.000 I mean, he's in there three, four times a day, all day long.

02:39:02.000 He's a maniac.

02:39:04.000 He'll tape his arm to himself and still roll.

02:39:04.000 He gets hurt.

02:39:06.000 He's a maniac.

02:39:07.000 What the fuck?

02:39:08.000 Barrett, take a day off.

02:39:08.000 He won't.

02:39:09.000 Like, he'll blindfold himself sometimes and roll.

02:39:09.000 All right.

02:39:12.000 Wow.

02:39:13.000 He's just a maniac.

02:39:14.000 He's a maniac.

02:39:15.000 But he always wants to put himself and make it harder for him, you know?

02:39:19.000 And he's little and he's like, fuck, he's so small.

02:39:22.000 But you can't.

02:39:22.000 I can't just get him.

02:39:23.000 He's super technical, though.

02:39:25.000 He's really fun to watch, too.

02:39:26.000 Yoshida's a good guy to learn from, I bet, too.

02:39:28.000 And he's like one of the most humble guys.

02:39:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:39:31.000 He'll see a white belt do something weird. 1.00

02:39:35.000 Like, hey, what the fuck?

02:39:36.000 What did he just do?

02:39:38.000 It wasn't a move, but Barrett's like, then it'd be Barry.

02:39:39.000 Well, he doesn't care.

02:39:41.000 If you learn a brand new movie you invented yourself in your first day, he'll try it.

02:39:45.000 He don't care.

02:39:45.000 He has no ego at all.

02:39:47.000 That's smart.

02:39:48.000 Guys, experience.

02:39:49.000 Well, that's a good attitude, man, because you remember there was a big resistance to a lot of the traditional guys when a lot of new stuff was coming along.

02:39:55.000 A lot of guys were saying, you don't need it.

02:39:57.000 All you need is just straight Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

02:39:59.000 That's all you need.

02:40:01.000 But there were so many new moves that people were like, Dars chokes and all this shit that people didn't accept for a while. 1.00

02:40:07.000 You do Japanese neckties?

02:40:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:09.000 You ever do Japanese neckties?

02:40:10.000 Not that one.

02:40:11.000 It's when you can't get the Dars.

02:40:12.000 If you can't go all the way through and get the Dars, you get it, and you cinch up here and you tuck the guy's head into your chest. 0.79

02:40:18.000 You roll over him this way and hook a leg and crank it.

02:40:22.000 It's a nasty neck crank.

02:40:23.000 Yeah, I've seen that one there.

02:40:24.000 Bravo's really good at that.

02:40:25.000 The Japanese necktie.

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:27.000 Japanese necktie, I guess.

02:40:29.000 Yeah.

02:40:29.000 Peruvian necktie, Japanese neck crank, whatever it's called.

02:40:32.000 It's a nasty move.

02:40:33.000 Instead of completing the Dars, instead of getting it all the way and cinching it like this.

02:40:38.000 Sometimes it's hard to get all the way.

02:40:39.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Yeah.

02:40:40.000 Sometimes.

02:40:41.000 Well, long arms, guys, like Hodger Gracie.

02:40:44.000 Yeah, I got little T-Rex arms.

02:40:45.000 But guys like Hodger Gracie, they have that advantage.

02:40:49.000 Damian Mai at 170.

02:40:51.000 He's got a good long frame at 170.

02:40:54.000 He's an interesting guy at 170 because that was the guy that like, I never thought he was going to be able to cut that weight.

02:41:01.000 That's a big dude for 170 pounds.

02:41:04.000 He has like Nathan Marcourt, too.

02:41:06.000 I couldn't believe he cut weight to 70.

02:41:08.000 He apparently was walking around at like 185 when he was fighting at 185.

02:41:12.000 Oh, was he?

02:41:13.000 Yeah, apparently.

02:41:13.000 He didn't look so big.

02:41:14.000 I never seen him in person though, but he looks huge.

02:41:15.000 Well, he's muscular, you know, but apparently he never really cut much weight at all and fought at 185.

02:41:20.000 That dude, there's people that talk about him from the time when he was coming up and entering into the UFC, about how fucking good he was before he got into the UFC, back when he was fighting in Strike Force or back even before then.

02:41:35.000 That he was always sparring with big, big, heavy guys, though.

02:41:38.000 He would spar with Shane Carwin.

02:41:40.000 They came up at the same gym.

02:41:42.000 So he'd be in there, guy fighting at 170, 185, fighting Shane fucking Carwin at 265.

02:41:48.000 And they'd be going to war with each other on a regular basis.

02:41:50.000 And then a fight, like, another watch was nothing.

02:41:52.000 Yeah.

02:41:53.000 Like, you're going to hit me?

02:41:54.000 I get hit by Shane Carwin every day.

02:41:56.000 And well, not only that, I mean, he's also taking those shots.

02:41:59.000 And like, guys who know him think that it's probably contributed to his demise.

02:42:03.000 Oh, his chin.

02:42:04.000 His chin went away.

02:42:05.000 Yeah, because, you know, those dudes, Trevor Whitman's dudes, you can't sparrow with them big guys, dude.

02:42:10.000 I mean, like, unless they're really, really controlled.

02:42:13.000 But even like I sparrow with like Ray Seffo and like a couple guys at coutors that are big, but they're going soft.

02:42:21.000 But even them going soft, dude, it fucking, if they hit you, you know what I mean?

02:42:24.000 Even they check your kick, Ray Seffo's knees or even like that wide.

02:42:28.000 Yeah, or they kick you.

02:42:29.000 Yeah.

02:42:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:30.000 Even a soft.

02:42:32.000 A heavyweight kicks you in the leg soft and it lands. 0.54

02:42:35.000 That weight is still heavy and it still hurts your leg more than any alter weight ever, you know?

02:42:39.000 So I stay away from the heavyweights unless they're super, super controlled.

02:42:39.000 Yeah.

02:42:42.000 Yeah, that's smart.

02:42:43.000 That's how a lot of guys get back injuries too.

02:42:45.000 Rolling with heavyweights, they get twisted up and cranked.

02:42:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:42:47.000 because you get sprawled on real hard.

02:42:49.000 One time I fucking shot on Gabriel Gonzaga.

02:42:53.000 You're right, dude.

02:42:54.000 Gonzaga squashed me like a bug, dude.

02:42:56.000 Yeah.

02:42:56.000 You know what I mean?

02:42:57.000 Beast, huge, and he moves good.

02:42:59.000 He's a giant, thick guy.

02:43:00.000 When he walks onto the scale, when Gonzaga's different than anybody else in the UFC, when he gets on the platform, you feel like the weight of just his...

02:43:14.000 But he's a dude that trains all the time in Ludlow, Massachusetts.

02:43:18.000 He's not training like real good guys out there.

02:43:20.000 He's got massive potential.

02:43:22.000 I mean, Jiu-Jitsu world champion, badass jiu-jitsu, knockout power, but he's like a step behind the very best guys.

02:43:30.000 Yeah.

02:43:31.000 I saw that the last thing on the UFC did about him.

02:43:34.000 Yeah.

02:43:35.000 They followed him around.

02:43:36.000 What's cool, though?

02:43:37.000 You know, you see his life there is really good, obviously.

02:43:39.000 He's got a nice gym.

02:43:40.000 The people love him.

02:43:42.000 You know, he's a great jiu-jitsu coach, too.

02:43:43.000 He's a nice guy, dude.

02:43:45.000 Very, very nice guy.

02:43:46.000 I remember one time I was at WC Wayne's.

02:43:48.000 He came up to me.

02:43:49.000 He's like, hey, man, it was close after I fought J-Rock. 0.96

02:43:52.000 He's like, oh, that was a good fight.

02:43:53.000 And I was like, fuck it.

02:43:55.000 I was like, you, motherfucker, your fight was good with Crocop.

02:43:55.000 That was awesome.

02:43:58.000 That was crazy.

02:43:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:43:59.000 But he used to have him say that maybe.

02:44:01.000 Now I loved him.

02:44:02.000 Like, oh, I love him now.

02:44:03.000 He's a very nice guy.

02:44:05.000 His knockout of Crokop was the all-time greatest head kick knockout ever. 0.97

02:44:09.000 Plus, because it was a, how is he going to win?

02:44:12.000 The last on all the lists of lists is head kick.

02:44:15.000 That's Crokop's fucking move.

02:44:15.000 Yeah.

02:44:17.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:17.000 Yeah.

02:44:17.000 Like, you're never going to invent, guess that move.

02:44:20.000 He head kicked the guy who's responsible for more head kick highlight reel knockouts than anybody. 0.98

02:44:25.000 Like when you watch a Crokop in Pride, his whole career was head kicked. 0.99

02:44:30.000 What happened to him?

02:44:31.000 Why did he not do good in the UFC, dude?

02:44:33.000 It's a lot of questions.

02:44:34.000 Juice?

02:44:34.000 Could be that.

02:44:36.000 Could be punishment.

02:44:36.000 Could be juice.

02:44:38.000 The amount of punishment his body took.

02:44:39.000 All those fights with Fedor, the fights with Noguera, fights with, I mean, you think about how many guys he fought.

02:44:44.000 It took a lot of fucking hard, hard fights.

02:44:46.000 Because in Pride, he was scary.

02:44:48.000 He was a monster.

02:44:49.000 In his first fight in UFC, he fought Eddie Sanchez, right?

02:44:51.000 and like they told Eddie Eddie did that as a But he didn't do shit to Eddie, really.

02:44:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:59.000 He definitely didn't look like the same crow cop.

02:44:59.000 Not much.

02:45:01.000 Right, he never did ever say.

02:45:02.000 But it could just be that it was the end of the run.

02:45:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:05.000 Guys just, they can only keep it up for so long, man.

02:45:08.000 They could only keep it up for so long.

02:45:10.000 You know, he was a great, great, great fighter when he won the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix.

02:45:14.000 I mean, he was a motherfucker back then when he knocked out Vanderlay.

02:45:17.000 The Cro Cop that knocked out Vanderlay was one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. 1.00

02:45:21.000 Because he had like, he first fought Vanderlay.

02:45:23.000 He didn't know shit about the ground game.

02:45:24.000 And they had like a weird first, the first fight was like weird rules.

02:45:28.000 Like they'd only go to the ground for like 30 seconds or something.

02:45:30.000 And he like tied Vanderlay up and would hang on.

02:45:33.000 But when they would be standing up, he wasn't free to uncork shots because he was still worried about the wrestling.

02:45:39.000 But the second fight, he had his takedown defense down.

02:45:42.000 He had a good sprawl at the end.

02:45:44.000 And he lit Vanderlay up like a Christmas tree.

02:45:46.000 That was one of the best performances of his career.

02:45:49.000 It's his second fight with Vanderlay.

02:45:51.000 But yeah, man, who knows?

02:45:53.000 I mean, every fighter, they got a window.

02:45:55.000 You got a window of time where you could perform at that level.

02:45:58.000 And when you're 37, 38, 39, it's just slowly winding down.

02:46:04.000 And then that's it.

02:46:05.000 There's not much left after that.

02:46:07.000 You know, these guys that perform at that super high level, well, it's Vandeley and Pride.

02:46:13.000 Vandeley was never the same Vandeley when he got to the UFC.

02:46:13.000 Think about that.

02:46:18.000 But he was still pretty good, though.

02:46:19.000 Pretty good.

02:46:19.000 But still wild.

02:46:20.000 No, and Pride was crazy.

02:46:22.000 Yeah.

02:46:23.000 Well, he was dominant in Pride.

02:46:24.000 That's the difference.

02:46:25.000 He's still wild in the UFC.

02:46:26.000 He still beat Kung Lee.

02:46:28.000 But then he gets knocked out by Lieban.

02:46:30.000 It was weird.

02:46:32.000 He fucked up.

02:46:33.000 He tried to go to war with Lieban.

02:46:34.000 You can't stay in the pocket with Lieban because he can take it.

02:46:37.000 Lieban can take it.

02:46:38.000 And the motherfucker hits hard. 1.00

02:46:40.000 Chris Lieban's left hand is a battering ram.

02:46:43.000 That motherfucker's got a real hard left hand. 1.00

02:46:45.000 It's a matter of him being able to hit you.

02:46:47.000 Like the Uriah Hall fight, he just couldn't catch Hall.

02:46:50.000 Hall was just too good.

02:46:51.000 But Vanderlay went chin to chin with him.

02:46:53.000 Well, they're the same style, that Wyatt style, you know? 1.00

02:46:55.000 Yeah.

02:46:56.000 But, you know, like Vanderlay is still, like, the Brian Stan fight was a great fight.

02:47:01.000 Still capable of putting on great fights.

02:47:04.000 It's just not the same Vanderlay as the Vanderlay that beat like Randall or like Quentin Jackson or the Vanderlay that beat Sakuraba or the Vanderlay that beat Henderson the first fight.

02:47:14.000 I mean, he was a destroyer.

02:47:15.000 He was a scary fucker.

02:47:17.000 But there might have been a little bit of help there.

02:47:19.000 Might have had a little bit of help.

02:47:20.000 They had to.

02:47:21.000 They all do.

02:47:22.000 I know they do, but I know they do, but it's like what I think happens is that some fighters, if your first fight is on juice, then you mentally are dependent on it.

02:47:33.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:34.000 So I think the guys that can't perform without it are those ones that they always had it.

02:47:40.000 But I think the guys that fought a lot of times without it and then have and having it and then have, they can do either way.

02:47:45.000 But I think some guys, if they've done it from day one, then they rely on the juice.

02:47:49.000 Well, we only have a couple minutes left, but I want to ask you one thing about, because this is like the hot topic now in MMA, is testosterone replacement.

02:47:49.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:56.000 These guys that are like 29 years old and replacing their testosterone.

02:48:01.000 And there's a real issue now because Vitor is going to fight Chris Wideman, and they're going to fight in the United States.

02:48:06.000 And they're going to fight in Vegas, which is a really hard place to get a testosterone exemption, especially if you tested positive for juice, which Vitor has in the past.

02:48:15.000 So he might not get a testosterone use exemption, which is fucking crazy because he's been fighting at this insane level for the last year.

02:48:24.000 The Bisbing fight, the Luke Rockhold fight, the last Dan Henderson fight.

02:48:27.000 I mean, he looks like a fucking demon.

02:48:29.000 I mean, the new Vitor on testosterone replacement looks like a fucking demon.

02:48:33.000 But what is going to happen to him if he has to get off of it to fight wideman? 0.97

02:48:37.000 See, here's the thing with testosterone or steroids is that, so say a guy abuses it when he's young, which Vitor probably did back in the day, I think, for sure.

02:48:46.000 Too long when you're young.

02:48:47.000 Well, guess what?

02:48:48.000 You never came off.

02:48:49.000 You never fucking did it right.

02:48:50.000 Your balls turn off, but they don't turn back on.

02:48:53.000 So now he may be young, but his balls don't work.

02:48:56.000 So now he needs testosterone therapy for really, really does.

02:49:00.000 So if you don't let him have it, you're hurting him.

02:49:03.000 but at the same time, other guys, maybe they just do it because they want a juice.

02:49:06.000 So, they get a bullshit doctor to say, Hey, man, you're a fan, give me this prescription, you know?

02:49:11.000 So, it's a fucked up thing.

02:49:12.000 I don't know.

02:49:13.000 But at the end of the day, if a doctor prescribes it, doctor has a lot, it's supposed to have the last rule.

02:49:18.000 He's a doctor.

02:49:19.000 So, you know, doctors, you know, they're supposed to be infallible and like, you know, honest and stuff.

02:49:25.000 And we all know that no one is, but some guys need it, man.

02:49:28.000 Some guys that they abused theiroids and they're younger, and now they have to have it. 0.99

02:49:31.000 Yeah, but their argument is that those guys shouldn't be allowed to fight because in doing so, your natural hormone levels drop during training camp because you train hard and you're breaking down your body.

02:49:41.000 It's natural for your hormone levels to drop.

02:49:43.000 But these guys, their hormone levels are not dropping because they're keeping them at a consistent level.

02:49:47.000 If they have to take twice the amount of unnatural testosterone in order to do that, they're still doing that.

02:49:52.000 And so they have an unfair advantage in training camp by taking that.

02:49:55.000 And I think that's a good argument, man.

02:49:57.000 It's a good argument.

02:49:59.000 It's tough, but I think every sport juices, period.

02:50:03.000 A lot of them do.

02:50:04.000 That's for sure.

02:50:05.000 Every sport.

02:50:06.000 Not every guy in every sport, but every sport dues juice in football, baseball, I don't give a shit.

02:50:09.000 Well, it works.

02:50:10.000 And people are always going to try to find a way to juice and cheat.

02:50:10.000 Exactly.

02:50:13.000 So, you know what I mean?

02:50:14.000 It's just a fascinating situation when you got Vitor who's streaking, who's looked better than ever, but now he's going to have to fight wide, but he might not get a testosterone use exemption.

02:50:24.000 The kid's real weird, right?

02:50:25.000 Yeah, it's like a...

02:50:29.000 You can't say yes to one fight and then no to the next fight.

02:50:32.000 That's why it's not fair.

02:50:32.000 You got to say, all right, man, if you're on this shit, you guys can't fight no more.

02:50:36.000 Well, he's only been fighting in Brazil.

02:50:37.000 That's the crazy thing.

02:50:39.000 He's been fighting in Brazil for the last, like, in Brazil, they'll let him fight on PCP.

02:50:43.000 They're like, we will get a new PCP prescription for Vitor.

02:50:47.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

02:50:49.000 He's a fucking hero over there.

02:50:51.000 But, yeah, that's a tough subject, man.

02:50:54.000 It is a tough subject because I would like to see him at this level, the level that he fought Dan Henderson, I would like to see him fight Wideman.

02:51:00.000 And it might very well be that the only way he could reach that level is on TRT.

02:51:03.000 So I don't know.

02:51:04.000 They didn't stop testing.

02:51:05.000 Fuck it.

02:51:06.000 But you take LexiPro.

02:51:08.000 You take Lexapro, and you take Lexapro while you're fighting all throughout your camp.

02:51:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:13.000 Now, if they said that there's an advantage that you don't get anxiety where everybody else is freaking out and they all get anxiety, do you think there's anything to that?

02:51:22.000 I still get anxiety, but I mean, everyone before the fight is nervous.

02:51:25.000 Because it control your nerves in some way.

02:51:25.000 Right.

02:51:29.000 Yeah.

02:51:30.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:51:31.000 I still get nervous, but before I was way more nervous than I should have been because I have anxiety and the panic attacks.

02:51:39.000 So it manages my nervousness to where I should be.

02:51:41.000 I'm a normal nervous instead of a retarded nervous. 0.98

02:51:43.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:44.000 You're not falling apart.

02:51:44.000 Right.

02:51:45.000 But I'm not backed like that.

02:51:46.000 Like totally like.

02:51:47.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:48.000 I'm still nervous, like any other fight, but not like I was before my medication.

02:51:52.000 It doesn't make your tail spin.

02:51:54.000 But in saying that most of fighting is mental, a big part of it is mental.

02:51:54.000 No, no.

02:51:58.000 Isn't that an advantage to take something like that?

02:52:06.000 For example, if they said I can't take it no more, it would fuck with me because I've been relying on it, you know?

02:52:15.000 I rely on it not for fighting, I rely on it for life.

02:52:17.000 You know what I mean?

02:52:18.000 So it would fuck me a lot for me, you know what I mean?

02:52:20.000 But I'm not sure what it would do to him.

02:52:28.000 I don't know if it would help your nerves before the fight or not.

02:52:30.000 I don't know how that would work.

02:52:31.000 See, because it's an interesting argument because on one hand, I want you to take it because I think that if it benefits you as a person and there's a drug that someone invented that has a positive effect on your life and it makes your life better, then of course you should be on it.

02:52:44.000 I mean, that's a good thing.

02:52:45.000 It's a good thing.

02:52:46.000 If something comes along and gives you less anxiety and you feel good and you're still living a healthy life, that's a good thing.

02:52:52.000 That's a positive thing.

02:52:53.000 But when it comes to performance, like there's certain things like I know the, you know, like Adderall, like fighters aren't allowed to fight on Adderall and some guys have prescriptions for Adderall.

02:53:02.000 Yeah, but Adderall, Adderall is just speed, dude.

02:53:04.000 Is it just speed?

02:53:05.000 I mean, look at the generic Adderall is a fetamine salt.

02:53:08.000 But for ADD guys, is there any benefit to it?

02:53:10.000 Does it actually help them?

02:53:11.000 It helps you study.

02:53:13.000 Yeah.

02:53:14.000 Say like you have AD real bad and you just can't concentrate your spazz.

02:53:17.000 You can't read the book.

02:53:18.000 It'll help you study.

02:53:19.000 You know what I mean?

02:53:20.000 But dudes that fucking have a prescription for Adderall that aren't in school are full of shit.

02:53:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:53:26.000 I mean, it's not a real, a doctor would tell you, it's not a real fucking thing.

02:53:29.000 It's speed, dude.

02:53:31.000 It's giving you energy and you don't have energy because of whatever.

02:53:33.000 Yeah, so like guys I think that have Adderall prescriptions that fight MMA, it's because like they do the train.

02:53:38.000 They train harder.

02:53:39.000 You're fucking Adolf Hitler invented or the Nazis invented meth or you know to make their soldiers march better and longer and on less food. 0.72

02:53:48.000 So if you could be hopped up on that all day long and train, you know, it'd probably be good, you know?

02:53:53.000 Yeah, it's interesting, man.

02:53:55.000 I think that Adderall is a weird one.

02:53:57.000 I've never done it, but the people that do do it say it's fucking awesome for a bunch of different shit.

02:54:01.000 People snort it.

02:54:02.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:02.000 Yeah.

02:54:03.000 Chick snorted. 1.00

02:54:03.000 It's speed. 1.00

02:54:04.000 It's basically like, it's like you're too proud to do meth.

02:54:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:09.000 Like, oh, method, that's drugs.

02:54:10.000 My doctor gives me this.

02:54:12.000 Did your doctor tell you to snort it, motherfucker?

02:54:12.000 Oh, yeah.

02:54:14.000 No, your doctor tells you to snort it.

02:54:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:54:16.000 Exactly.

02:54:16.000 All right, War Machine.

02:54:17.000 War Machine 170 on Twitter.

02:54:19.000 Follow him.

02:54:20.000 Go to his Instagram as well.

02:54:21.000 Not safe for work.

02:54:22.000 Don't get kicked out of the cubicle.

02:54:24.000 Because War Machine will show his dick.

02:54:27.000 Not on Instagram.

02:54:28.000 On Twitter, though, right?

02:54:29.000 Yeah, maybe, yeah.

02:54:30.000 And my website, too, alphamaleshit.com.

02:54:32.000 You got to buy some shirts.

02:54:33.000 Yeah, I do alpha male shit, especially ladies. 1.00

02:54:35.000 Go buy that.

02:54:36.000 It'll be hilarious.

02:54:37.000 Take some pictures and send them to War Machine, you with his shirt on.

02:54:39.000 I think it'd be cool.

02:54:40.000 And your next fight in Bellator.

02:54:42.000 When can people watch you?

02:54:43.000 It's March 14th.

02:54:44.000 It's on Spike TV.

02:54:45.000 It's in Hammond, Indiana, right by Chicago.

02:54:48.000 And is this the beginning of the tournament?

02:54:50.000 The new 170 tournament?

02:54:51.000 The new tournament, first round.

02:54:52.000 I got this guy named Nashon Burrell.

02:54:55.000 I'm going to smash that dude.

02:54:56.000 Hopefully I fight Joe Briggs next.

02:54:57.000 Good luck to you, brother.

02:54:58.000 Thank you.

02:54:58.000 It was fun talking to you, man.

02:54:59.000 We're going to do this again.

02:55:00.000 This is a lot of fun.

02:55:01.000 People enjoyed it, too.

02:55:02.000 All right, follow War Machine, folks. 0.77

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The Joe Rogan Experience - February 12, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #454 - War Machine

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