The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #461 - David Seaman

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00:04:50.000 Really?

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00:04:53.000 I still get high, but I just, I don't, the wreck afterwards just sucks so hard, man.

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00:05:10.000 Exactly.

00:05:11.000 The other night I had two and it was crazy.

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00:05:17.000 It was a very mild Jack and Coke though.

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00:06:53.000 David Seaman is here, and we're fixing it busy.

00:06:55.000 We've got a lot of shit to talk about.

00:06:56.000 The shit's hitting the Bitcoin fan.

00:06:59.000 It is.

00:07:00.000 Shit's crazy out there.

00:07:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:07:05.000 Drain my day, Joe Rogan.

00:07:07.000 Podcast by night, all day.

00:07:10.000 How fitting that our friend David Seaman is here the very day that Mount Gox, the big storage place or whatever the fuck it is, the site, the...

00:07:22.000 It's an online exchange for Bitcoin.

00:07:24.000 The exchange is diggity-diggity done.

00:07:28.000 So it hit the wall.

00:07:29.000 I'm like the Forrest Gump kind of random trends.

00:07:32.000 Like, I'm always kind of in the background of all this completely unrelated shit.

00:07:36.000 And yeah, Mt.

00:07:37.000 Gox was run by this guy who is a allegedly kind of a piece of shit.

00:07:44.000 I got to say, like, allegedly, as you guys do, but as a respectable journalist, I've heard sources say he's a piece of shit.

00:07:52.000 And so there is an error in the way that his site interacts with the overall Bitcoin network in the same way that if you are using email and you happen to download a shitty email program, like a knockoff version of Outlook, and it fucks up the way you send your emails, doesn't mean there's a problem with email.

00:08:10.000 There's a problem with what you're using and the way you've implemented it.

00:08:14.000 And email has been used enough by now that we know that it works.

00:08:17.000 And it was kind of a similar issue here where there was an incompetent implementation and some hackers were able to steal over time somewhere between 300 million to 400 million dollars worth of Bitcoin.

00:08:28.000 So it's pretty brutal and Bitcoin's taking a bashing in the press, which is well deserved.

00:08:33.000 But I personally bought more last night because I've just been reading about it so much that I actually kind of believe it and I'm drinking the Kool-Aid.

00:08:41.000 And in that case, when some shit like that happens, it's not a tragedy.

00:08:44.000 It's actually kind of an opportunity because I'm like, well, now I can actually buy some more of this instead of only having a little bit of the future currency of the New World Order.

00:08:52.000 I'll have a real fraction of it.

00:08:54.000 And I'm already getting shit from people who are like, you're promoting a product that is New World Order designed.

00:08:59.000 And I'm like, do you have any evidence of that?

00:09:01.000 Like, have you actually read even a tenth as much of the people who are reporting on this shit?

00:09:05.000 Like, everything is out there about Bitcoin, and yet they're already moving towards, like, it was created by NWO.

00:09:12.000 I think that's sort of what we were talking about before the podcast started, that there's a bunch of people that love for something to be a conspiracy.

00:09:21.000 So they look for it in everything and anything.

00:09:24.000 I've been involved in things where I know there was no conspiracy.

00:09:28.000 I know I was there, and yet I've had people tell me that it was like UFC fights, like that things are fixed, that someone wasn't really injured, and that they're just, it's a big scam, and all it is is to set up another fight.

00:09:40.000 They had this all along.

00:09:42.000 It's a shuffle.

00:09:43.000 It's like people love to think, well, it's because there are some conspiracies.

00:09:47.000 So they go looking for them because they don't want to be a fool.

00:09:49.000 Nobody wants to be fooled by them.

00:09:51.000 And that is the number one problem of the fact that conspiracies have actually existed.

00:09:55.000 They've muddied the water so badly.

00:09:58.000 It's sort of like a disinformation tactic.

00:10:00.000 It's like one of the things they always talk about, like if you read anything about intelligence and you read not intelligence like human intelligence, but like intelligence reporting for the government, one of the things they do when they're trying to control information is they discredit it by attaching it to ridiculous shit.

00:10:17.000 It's just what they do.

00:10:18.000 Yeah.

00:10:18.000 It's actually like an actual strategy is you mix in the bullshit with the good stuff, poisons the well, and you don't believe any of it.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, it's like if you believe in something absolutely ridiculous along with some really interesting shit, they can automatically point to that ridiculous thing and say, let's say same guy believes that people are reading your mind from a base on the moon.

00:10:42.000 And then you go, is that true?

00:10:43.000 Does he really believe that?

00:10:44.000 Well, then you find out what's really going on.

00:10:46.000 You find out that all this other stuff.

00:10:47.000 Like, have you ever read Bill Cooper?

00:10:49.000 No.

00:10:49.000 Cold a pair of white horse?

00:10:51.000 I've heard of him too for some reason.

00:10:53.000 You read it and you go, wow, this stuff's really fascinating.

00:10:56.000 And then he starts talking about alien bases on the moon.

00:10:58.000 You're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 Starts talking about that.

00:11:01.000 Well, that's like that actress, Shirley McLean, has a book.

00:11:04.000 Has a book that I was skimming through that's all about how in the 1950s, the U.S. government had a secret meeting with seven different species of alien and there was this council.

00:11:15.000 And even though she's a good actress, you're reading this shit and you're like, I can't believe anything you're saying now because this is a little out there.

00:11:20.000 She's a wacky, wacky broad. 0.89

00:11:23.000 Have you ever heard her talk about psychics and all kinds of other shit?

00:11:26.000 No, I've just skimmed this book and it was enough.

00:11:28.000 She's a loon. 1.00

00:11:29.000 Yeah, she's a full-on loon. 1.00

00:11:31.000 But she could totally be right.

00:11:32.000 I want to add that in also.

00:11:34.000 I want to believe she's right about the Alien Council. 0.55

00:11:36.000 She's a silly person.

00:11:38.000 I mean, you could Google Shirley McLean and find out all the different spiritual healing energy things that she's into.

00:11:46.000 She's just an erotic massage, probably. 0.99

00:11:48.000 She's a lady that, you know, like, there's a thing that happens to humans, and it's the same thing. 1.00

00:11:53.000 It happens to men, and it happens for women. 1.00

00:11:55.000 When they stop being desirable physically, they often look to fantastical and unimaginable things like UFOs or fucking spiritual awakenings and psychic.

00:12:09.000 They look for something that drags them out of the mundane existence of their biology.

00:12:14.000 Because if a UFO was real, if aliens were real, if Bigfoot was real, if you could really read people's minds, it wouldn't matter if no one wanted to fuck you anymore.

00:12:24.000 Yeah, there's something that's bigger than yourself.

00:12:26.000 There's a reason why menopausal women, like older women, get really into that kind of shit. 1.00

00:12:32.000 Like if you look at like, and I'm not saying that young women don't get into it too.

00:12:35.000 They certainly do.

00:12:36.000 And men.

00:12:37.000 There are a lot of men.

00:12:38.000 A lot of men who are into weird shit.

00:12:39.000 Fuck yeah.

00:12:40.000 I mean, this is just one theory, but there's a spiritual thing that happens to a lot of older men and older women where they start looking for, like, you know, paranormal things.

00:12:52.000 They start looking for...

00:12:59.000 There's a little of that, Definitely, but in the search for things, the search for things unseen, like the search for Bigfoot, or search for aliens, I really do believe that a lot of what's going on is if aliens were real, it wouldn't matter if no one wanted to fuck them and they're sleeping on their friend's couch and they're 50.

00:13:15.000 It really wouldn't matter.

00:13:16.000 You know, you guys don't know shit.

00:13:19.000 Let me tell you something.

00:13:20.000 What they would get if they just had a weed brownie or maybe like a weekend camping or something is that it already doesn't matter.

00:13:26.000 They don't need to find that other thing to make their life seem like it's not a big deal.

00:13:31.000 Just look up in the sky sometime.

00:13:31.000 Yeah.

00:13:33.000 Nothing matters with certainty.

00:13:35.000 There was some crazy article, I think, in Scientific American, that if you were to add up all the people who've ever lived on Earth, it's been like 100 billion people.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:45.000 So you just don't matter, period.

00:13:46.000 Like we're these fucking things that are running around trying to spread our genetic code and then our hearts fill up with cholesterol and we die.

00:13:55.000 It's like some weird video game.

00:13:56.000 And so somebody like that feels that they need to find religion or they need to find aliens in order to feel like they're a part of things.

00:14:04.000 They're already a part of things and they already don't matter.

00:14:06.000 So what more do you need?

00:14:07.000 It's like that's perfect right there.

00:14:08.000 I don't even think it's a don't matter thing.

00:14:10.000 I think they're looking for something exciting.

00:14:12.000 And for a lot of people, I mean, obviously it's just one of these goofy theories I'm chasing down.

00:14:17.000 But for a lot of people, when it comes to what matters in life, one of the big things that matters in life is being sexually desirable.

00:14:24.000 And when you stop being sexually desirable, like unequivocally, no argument, no one wants to fuck you. 0.69

00:14:30.000 Right.

00:14:30.000 And it happens sooner to women than it does men because for a man, you're like 18 or 20, nobody wants to fuck you because you have nothing going on.

00:14:38.000 Start to get into your mid-20s.

00:14:40.000 If you're good looking, you might be able to get something based on that.

00:14:42.000 But as you get older, you get more status and more experience.

00:14:46.000 You know what the fuck you're talking about more often.

00:14:48.000 That's where attraction comes from.

00:14:50.000 But for women, it's like 20 is your fucking prime right there. 1.00

00:14:54.000 You're already at the max and then 25 is still good.

00:14:56.000 30 is still good.

00:14:57.000 But as you get older, society is not just heaping status upon you, right?

00:15:02.000 It's still, for you, very much looks-based.

00:15:05.000 Whereas an older guy, nobody cares what Richard Branson looks like or what Felix Dennis look like.

00:15:10.000 It's more about who they are.

00:15:12.000 But if some actress is in a show and she looks old, everybody will say that.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, there's definitely something in that.

00:15:18.000 But I think like Richard Branson, if he's got a really young hot wife and that wife has got a personal trainer, she's going to let him fuck her. 1.00

00:15:25.000 You think so?

00:15:26.000 I think so.

00:15:29.000 I think that trainer would end up on an unsuccessful spaceflight and just never come back.

00:15:34.000 Well, I mean, I don't think he's going to fuck her all the time unless he's stupid.

00:15:38.000 You know, you got to make sure you don't turn into a relationship.

00:15:41.000 But I think a lot of gold diggers, they look to fuck young guys. 1.00

00:15:45.000 For sure.

00:15:46.000 Some young studly, broke, bodybuilder type dude with a giant hog.

00:15:51.000 Because that's what they really want.

00:15:53.000 At the end of the day, they want the status, but they also want something physical.

00:15:56.000 But women just want the money and the sex, and that's all men want. 1.00

00:15:59.000 Well, you know, when I was young, when I was like in my late teens and early 20s, it was the most undesirable I've ever been in my life.

00:16:07.000 Like, I had the hardest time getting laid, the hardest, because I was broke.

00:16:10.000 I was poor, and I was, you know, it didn't even matter if I was successful in some things, like sports, which I was.

00:16:18.000 It didn't matter because what was important was money.

00:16:22.000 What was important was financial success.

00:16:24.000 What was important was you not being a loser.

00:16:26.000 And I was a loser as far as like bank accounts and as far as like where I lived.

00:16:31.000 I was a loser.

00:16:32.000 You know, I was a young man.

00:16:33.000 Every young man, unless you're born rich, you're starting out as a loser.

00:16:38.000 You don't have anything to show.

00:16:39.000 And women had no desire to be with me. 1.00

00:16:42.000 Zero.

00:16:43.000 They're guys who really kind of get off on being able to bring women back and have nothing going on.

00:16:50.000 Look at what a loser I am and I'm still getting laid.

00:16:53.000 So that kind of thing, you can use that to your advantage probably.

00:16:55.000 That's what I did when I was in college is I was like, yeah, I'm a loser, but if this is what I can pull now, think about 10 years from now when you're actually not a loser, how good things might be.

00:17:03.000 So that's a way to motivate yourself.

00:17:05.000 Well, it also depends on what you're willing to fuck to.

00:17:08.000 I mean, everybody can get laid if you drop your standards low enough.

00:17:11.000 Women have the advantage in that area because they can always get high-quality sex. 1.00

00:17:17.000 Whereas a guy, you really can't unless you're at a certain stage in life.

00:17:21.000 You can't just walk in somewhere and go home with somebody that night.

00:17:24.000 But a woman can do that anywhere. 1.00

00:17:26.000 But the balance is that that's not what most women want. 1.00

00:17:29.000 They want most women want relationships. 1.00

00:17:29.000 Right. 1.00

00:17:31.000 They want, you know, I think most women, by the way, this is just massive generalization. 1.00

00:17:37.000 There's some women that just want to fuck you and kick you right out the door. 1.00

00:17:39.000 Get out.

00:17:40.000 Bye.

00:17:40.000 Go.

00:17:41.000 Bye.

00:17:41.000 Don't kiss me.

00:17:42.000 I mean, you know, and that's fine too.

00:17:44.000 The difference is the guy laughs as he's getting kicked out, okay?

00:17:49.000 Whereas if you do that to a girl, like, you're the worst piece of shit ever.

00:17:52.000 You know, if you fucked a girl and then after you'd done, like, look, you got to go. 0.67

00:17:56.000 Don't kiss me.

00:17:56.000 No, no, no.

00:17:56.000 Go.

00:17:57.000 No hugs.

00:17:58.000 Yeah, it's a real like sneezy sociopath kind of thing to do.

00:18:01.000 But if a girl does it to a guy, a guy will go and tell his friends, dude, she sucked my dick. 1.00

00:18:01.000 Right. 1.00

00:18:05.000 I fucked her. 0.97

00:18:06.000 Then that bitch kicked me out. 1.00

00:18:08.000 She had to go to work.

00:18:08.000 She like left.

00:18:09.000 She kicked me out.

00:18:10.000 She told me, don't kiss her. 0.94

00:18:11.000 Listen, this isn't going anywhere.

00:18:12.000 Get out.

00:18:13.000 I was like, okay.

00:18:14.000 I'll call you if you want to fuck again. 0.93

00:18:15.000 Okay, please do.

00:18:16.000 Thanks.

00:18:17.000 Yeah, I think everybody's had that experience where you're like, I was just used, and you're like, wait a second, it's not so bad.

00:18:21.000 It was awesome.

00:18:22.000 It's totally different.

00:18:23.000 But I think it's totally different because women have a different instinct for the most part. 1.00

00:18:27.000 In a massive generalization, by the way.

00:18:29.000 Women have the instinct to, you know, try to find a guy that they can trust. 1.00

00:18:33.000 Try to, you know, unless you're done, unless you've been through a few and you're like, look, it's over.

00:18:39.000 It's what the cougar thing is.

00:18:40.000 That's what people like about cougars.

00:18:42.000 They're fucking giving up.

00:18:44.000 I just like women who have their shit together and cougars tend to be more professional, like executive types. 1.00

00:18:49.000 I no longer go for the starving artists because I always like to be the less crazy person in the relationship.

00:18:58.000 And if I'm the one that they're relying on for some kind of stability and I'm like already completely fucking crazy with the stuff I'm working on, that's not a good thing.

00:19:05.000 You know, like when somebody's asking me for quarters to use the laundry machine, that's not a good relationship.

00:19:10.000 So I'm more into the stability.

00:19:13.000 Yeah, it's hard, man.

00:19:14.000 It's hard when you're dating, you know, and one or the other is like really financially unstable.

00:19:21.000 It's always hard because it's very stressful, you know, and it puts a giant wedge in the relationship.

00:19:27.000 I have a friend.

00:19:28.000 She's successful.

00:19:29.000 And Her boyfriend, now ex-boyfriend, is not very successful.

00:19:34.000 And one of the things that they fight about is that, like, he's just frustrated all the time.

00:19:39.000 He can't get anything going with his career.

00:19:41.000 He actually, it's funny that something just happened for him right as you know, they broke up.

00:19:46.000 You know, that always seems to happen.

00:19:47.000 There's like a sometimes a Murphy's Law going on there.

00:19:51.000 Maybe, but it's just, you know, we were talking about it and she was talking about how difficult it is to date someone who's really struggling because it becomes a mantra.

00:20:01.000 It's like going off in the back of their head at all times.

00:20:03.000 Like, you're broke.

00:20:04.000 You owe money.

00:20:05.000 Your bills are going to be a good thing.

00:20:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:06.000 When you have money problems, that's all you think about.

00:20:08.000 Collectors are calling you.

00:20:10.000 You're going to get your car to be possessed.

00:20:12.000 You need another job.

00:20:13.000 You need this.

00:20:14.000 And that, it's just, it's really hard to date someone like that because you don't get them.

00:20:18.000 You get them under massive duress.

00:20:21.000 Right.

00:20:21.000 You know.

00:20:22.000 Yeah, it's definitely better if you can walk into something where you have a bit of money because when you have money, it's the opposite feeling in your head.

00:20:29.000 It's, oh, this could go away if I wanted it to.

00:20:32.000 Whatever the problem is, like, this could probably be reduced if I need it to.

00:20:35.000 Well, there's that for sure.

00:20:37.000 But the big thing that I noticed when I got my first development deal, it wasn't a lot of money, but it was enough money where I could relax.

00:20:47.000 Like, I wasn't getting rich, but I was like, holy shit, I've got some money.

00:20:50.000 Like, I can really, I don't have to worry about paying my bills.

00:20:52.000 I can pay my rent this month.

00:20:54.000 There was this crazy weight lifted off my shoulder.

00:20:57.000 And I think I was 25 at the time.

00:21:00.000 And, you know, most of my life up until that point, from the time I was working, it was just all struggles.

00:21:05.000 There was never money in the bank.

00:21:07.000 The money was in the bank.

00:21:08.000 It was enough to pay whatever check I sent out, maybe.

00:21:11.000 And then I was going to have to stuff some more money in there as quick as possible to pay for the next bills.

00:21:16.000 But all of a sudden, I had some money in the bank.

00:21:18.000 And there was this weird feeling of relaxation.

00:21:21.000 I was like, wow, this is incredible.

00:21:23.000 Not rich, just not having to worry.

00:21:26.000 So whenever I give people, you know, if I talk to someone who's struggling or talk to someone who's trying to plan their future, I always say, and this is, it's hard to believe, but it is the truth.

00:21:36.000 Being rich doesn't matter.

00:21:38.000 You get used to everything you're doing.

00:21:40.000 You get used to being in a big house.

00:21:42.000 I've been in a small apartment.

00:21:43.000 It felt exactly the same as being in a big house.

00:21:45.000 Being in a big house is kind of cool, but it's definitely not as, it's not worth what it costs to be in a big house.

00:21:51.000 If you think like if you buy a house for a million bucks, the amount of money you have to spend every fucking month on a million dollar house in mortgage and fixing it up and the amount of hours that you have to work if you're, you know, you work a reasonable job, you know, you make 100 grand a year or something like that, normal, you know, good wage.

00:22:09.000 It's a lot of fucking money, man.

00:22:11.000 Your house costs 10 times what you make in a year and you're never going to pay it off in a year.

00:22:16.000 You're going to pay it off in 30 years and then you're going to have to fucking pay insurance on the fucking property tax.

00:22:22.000 What do you mean property tax?

00:22:23.000 I got to pay tax on some shit I already bought every year?

00:22:26.000 What do you mean?

00:22:27.000 I already own it.

00:22:27.000 I own the fucking house.

00:22:28.000 I own the property and I have to pay you.

00:22:31.000 What am I paying you for?

00:22:32.000 I'm giving you money for what I own?

00:22:34.000 What the fuck is going on here?

00:22:36.000 And it'll drive you crazy.

00:22:38.000 And plumbing and electricity and this and that.

00:22:41.000 When you really stop and think about how much you're actually working for what you're getting out of it, it's definitely not worth it for most people.

00:22:47.000 But what is worth it is to not worry about going to dinner.

00:22:52.000 If you can have enough money where you can go and get a meal at a restaurant and not think too much about it, just say, I would like the salmon and not look at the price and say the chicken's this much, but the salmon's, you know, a dollar less.

00:23:05.000 I'll get the salmon.

00:23:06.000 Instead of thinking like that, you can just order what you would like.

00:23:09.000 You could go to a movie and not worry about the movie.

00:23:12.000 All the other shit, like the difference between having a Lexus and having a Mercedes, the difference between having a Toyota and having a Ford.

00:23:20.000 You get used to everything.

00:23:22.000 Everything you're doing, you get used to.

00:23:24.000 As long as your car gets you to work, it's fine.

00:23:26.000 If you have enough money to buy a Mustang, hey, you love Mustangs?

00:23:29.000 Go get a fucking Mustang, man.

00:23:31.000 Enjoy yourself.

00:23:32.000 But if you don't, don't fucking sweat it.

00:23:34.000 Do you have a car that gets you there?

00:23:35.000 That's the real difference between your car being repossessed, you having no money for food, you having no money for rent, and being able to pay your bills.

00:23:43.000 That's the big jump.

00:23:45.000 The big jump's not Ferraris.

00:23:48.000 You get used to that stuff.

00:23:49.000 Look at Steve Jobs.

00:23:50.000 He never went crazy, and he was worth billions.

00:23:52.000 He was always the fucking turtleneck every day.

00:23:54.000 But he did go crazy.

00:23:55.000 He went crazy to push success.

00:23:58.000 He didn't have a balanced perspective.

00:24:00.000 No, but I mean in terms of he wasn't buying mansions and cars and stuff non-stop.

00:24:04.000 No, but he was so obsessed with the pursuit of Apple being this dominant market player and all the money that they made.

00:24:11.000 And yeah, he went a little crazy just in his own way.

00:24:15.000 There's a minimalist crazy too.

00:24:17.000 He still lived in the fucking Silicon Valley where I have a friend who lives up there.

00:24:22.000 They have a house that they're renting, but the house is worth $15 million.

00:24:25.000 I want to tell you, if that house was in fucking Van Nuys, it wouldn't be worth $400,000.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:33.000 I was looking at just a real estate website at San Francisco.

00:24:36.000 There was a place for sale that was $200,000 that looked like one of the shacks in Detroit. 0.91

00:24:41.000 It was like just objectively like a $10,000 property going for $200,000.

00:24:46.000 Oh, no doubt.

00:24:47.000 If you could put another house in there, Edith, if you could jam it in there with no backyard, just fucking stuff it on the actual footprint.

00:24:52.000 That area is worth so much money.

00:24:54.000 When I say that it wouldn't be worth $400,000 in Vanu's, I'm probably exaggerating.

00:24:57.000 I would say it's probably worth a million in Vanu's.

00:24:59.000 It's a very nice house.

00:25:01.000 But my point is it's not a fucking $14,000, $15 million house or whatever the fuck they would actually wind up getting for it.

00:25:07.000 It's just not.

00:25:08.000 But it's in this crazy area where all these people have tech money.

00:25:11.000 And that tech money is squirrely money, man.

00:25:14.000 It's just the numbers are crazy.

00:25:16.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:25:17.000 When you find out how much money some of those guys have made, like the Google guys or the Facebook guys, and you're like, what?

00:25:23.000 Like, that's crazy.

00:25:24.000 That's many yacht, private jet, you know, mansion buying island money.

00:25:30.000 It's that insane.

00:25:31.000 Well, it's going to get even crazier in the years ahead with Bitcoin because some of the earliest adopters, the amount of coins they have, you think about it, you're like, well, these people are for sure going to be billionaires and they're going to be at the upper end of that.

00:25:42.000 They're not even going to be like low-level billionaires.

00:25:45.000 Right, but what would happen if they collected?

00:25:47.000 If they sold all their Bitcoins.

00:25:49.000 Oh, you can't sell them all because then you crash your own market, you know?

00:25:53.000 Right, but then what the fuck is the point in having it?

00:25:56.000 I think for them, eventually it's about living in a world where you walk into a Store and the price is there in Bitcoin first.

00:26:03.000 So I think if they hold out for long enough and if it doesn't get fucked over by too much bad stuff, like the Mt.

00:26:09.000 Gox situation, that we could live in a place like that because then you have one price, regardless of what country you're in, you know, kind of like a universal price language.

00:26:19.000 Right.

00:26:19.000 It could really happen.

00:26:20.000 Like it's kind of a long shot, but it could actually happen.

00:26:23.000 And in that case, that person becomes like science fiction rich.

00:26:26.000 You know, like we're talking about somebody who could be worth hundreds of billions of dollars instead of just worth, you know, 10,000 Bitcoins or whatever.

00:26:33.000 Science fiction rich.

00:26:35.000 So we kind of got off track.

00:26:38.000 How did this Bitcoin collapse?

00:26:40.000 How did this Mt. 0.91

00:26:41.000 Gox thing take place?

00:26:43.000 What happened?

00:26:44.000 There are already conspiracy theories that Mt.

00:26:47.000 Gox was like some kind of CIA op to discredit Bitcoin.

00:26:50.000 Really?

00:26:51.000 So that's what somebody tweeted me, but I don't see any evidence of that.

00:26:54.000 Like it sounds like something they would want to do if they thought of it in advance, but I don't think that's what happened.

00:27:00.000 I think it was purely incompetence.

00:27:02.000 This was a website that started like Mt.

00:27:04.000 Gox is short for Magic the Gathering Online Exchange.

00:27:08.000 It started as a place where people sold magic cards.

00:27:08.000 Really?

00:27:11.000 No way.

00:27:12.000 I'm not making this up.

00:27:13.000 Oh my gosh.

00:27:14.000 Oh my God.

00:27:15.000 They deserve everything they got.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, so this company didn't know what the fuck they were doing and didn't know their ass from their elbow in terms of programming languages.

00:27:24.000 Like somebody told me they programmed their trading platform in PHP, which I don't know that much about programming, but apparently is like totally not the right language for anything financial.

00:27:33.000 And their whole thing is based on this.

00:27:35.000 And so they're just super incompetent.

00:27:38.000 And for whatever reason, they're the ones who stumbled into this massive market of like, you're now trading billions of dollars of Bitcoins and supporting the whole planet's Bitcoin market.

00:27:48.000 And they weren't ready for that.

00:27:49.000 And just series of fuck ups at every stage, like bad at PR, bad at communicating what's going on.

00:27:56.000 When something doesn't work, they just take it offline, not realizing the implications of like, well, you're going to scare the shit out of the whole market if you just take shit offline and don't tell people in advance.

00:28:05.000 And it looks like they got had by somebody, that somebody found an exploit, took the money, even the money that was in cold storage somehow, which was supposed to be impossible, but I'm sure they were incompetent enough to have fucked up somewhere along the way.

00:28:19.000 And now we're in the situation we're in now where people are panicked.

00:28:22.000 But the good news is that there are other exchanges out there that are much more credible, backed by real companies.

00:28:29.000 And they're coming online.

00:28:30.000 There are a couple in the US that are coming online, which is pretty cool.

00:28:33.000 Because I want to see the US be in on the action.

00:28:35.000 I don't want to see this be something that's just happening in Japan and places.

00:28:40.000 I'm sorry.

00:28:41.000 How did someone break in?

00:28:43.000 How do you get that money?

00:28:45.000 What are you actually doing?

00:28:46.000 How are you getting that money?

00:28:47.000 Okay, so yeah, Bitcoin itself has not been hacked.

00:28:51.000 And as far as I know, it's never been hacked.

00:28:53.000 Like the actual protocol is 100%, I don't want to say perfect, but if I send you money, there's certainty that I've sent it to you.

00:29:00.000 And in this case, they were using something called transaction malleability, which I, full disclosure, don't fully understand this shit.

00:29:09.000 But pretty much what I think it is, is like if I write you a check, you have to wait until that check clears before you actually assume you have the money.

00:29:18.000 And in this case, Mt.

00:29:19.000 Gox was assuming based on unconfirmed transactions that they had money or that they were sending money.

00:29:25.000 And apparently, if you know anything about Bitcoin, you can't do this.

00:29:29.000 And the other exchanges weren't doing it.

00:29:32.000 And so it'd be like if you got a million dollar check, it could totally be a rubber check.

00:29:35.000 You don't know until it's actually cleared.

00:29:37.000 You can't trade on that million dollars.

00:29:39.000 If Bitcoin really does become an emerging currency that the whole world adopts, what a great movie this is going to be.

00:29:46.000 Oh, it's going to be like the gathering dorks stumble upon this billion dollars.

00:29:50.000 You just see them sitting around.

00:29:52.000 Hey, we're worth a billion dollars.

00:29:54.000 Wouldn't it be cool if we had girls and money? 1.00

00:29:56.000 And then they switch over to Bitcoin and seeing this fat guy named Mark Karpolis is the CEO of Mt.

00:30:01.000 Gox.

00:30:02.000 Is this him?

00:30:03.000 That is him.

00:30:04.000 What a fucking dork he is.

00:30:05.000 Look at that face.

00:30:07.000 No, I think that Bitcoin is going to...

00:30:07.000 Sorry, buddy.

00:30:10.000 They don't know his whereabouts.

00:30:12.000 So he's either hiding or probably being tortured somewhere.

00:30:14.000 Who the fuck knows?

00:30:15.000 Oh, my God.

00:30:16.000 $350 million because of this guy's fuck-up.

00:30:20.000 It's a big fuck-up.

00:30:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:30:22.000 That's a big fuck-up.

00:30:23.000 Can you imagine how many people want to kill him?

00:30:25.000 That's real money, too.

00:30:26.000 The $350 million for folks that don't understand.

00:30:29.000 This is not like people trading, you know, like fucking Magic the Gathering corns.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, it's a liquid market.

00:30:35.000 You could buy $350 million worth of laptops if you wanted to.

00:30:38.000 Yeah, you could actually, yeah, Tiger Direct is Yeah, and then also Vegas Casinos.

00:30:44.000 There's two casinos that are allowing Bitcoin.

00:30:47.000 There's many emerging companies, or were up until this, pretty much every day.

00:30:52.000 Onit was even thinking about getting involved.

00:30:54.000 They should.

00:30:55.000 I don't know about that.

00:30:56.000 I don't know about that.

00:30:58.000 Not after this.

00:30:59.000 Well, this is just going to be a blip on the radar.

00:31:02.000 Oh, I don't know about this.

00:31:03.000 One of many blips.

00:31:04.000 This is like non-stop Bitcoin negative news.

00:31:07.000 I think just this news alone is going to make people not invest or do anything with Bitcoin.

00:31:12.000 Maybe in the short term, but I had the CEO of CoinMarket on my podcast the other day, and he runs one of the U.S. exchanges.

00:31:20.000 They're actually based in Santa Monica, and he didn't sound phased at all.

00:31:23.000 He told me, this is a couple hours before Mt.

00:31:25.000 Gox actually came out as being insolvent.

00:31:27.000 He told me on the podcast, I think they're insolvent, and I think they need to disappear as soon as possible.

00:31:31.000 Not disappear as then run away, but just like disappear from the Bitcoin ecosystem so that more credible companies like us can step in and do this shit in a way that's legal and regulated and actually backed by real investors.

00:31:43.000 And he didn't sound concerned about it.

00:31:45.000 He's kind of like, well, yeah, our shitty competition is going out of business and now we can take over.

00:31:51.000 I wish I knew enough to know whether or not he's correct.

00:31:54.000 That sounds very comforting.

00:31:56.000 I think as long as people continue to watch porn and pay webcam girls with Bitcoins, as long as people continue to like online gambling, as long as you have libertarians who want to stash away some of their money in case there's some kind of financial apocalypse, as long as you have those three things, there's always going to be Bitcoin demand.

00:32:15.000 Hey, that's a question.

00:32:16.000 You're not allowed to online gamble in the U.S. with money.

00:32:19.000 Can you online gamble with Bitcoin, though?

00:32:21.000 I'm sure it's a highly gray area.

00:32:24.000 That seems like that would be a way to get Bitcoin rocking.

00:32:27.000 Just tell people that they could gamble in Bitcoin.

00:32:30.000 Well, there are casinos in Vegas now that have started to get in the middle of the day.

00:32:32.000 We just talked about that.

00:32:33.000 I just said two.

00:32:34.000 But I think that online, it'd be...

00:32:38.000 The online lack of online gambling is what crushed the International Pool League.

00:32:44.000 They had this Kevin Trudeau, you know, that scam artist, that guy, those secrets that they don't want you to know about.

00:32:50.000 Which is why I'm putting in a book for everybody to fucking read.

00:32:54.000 Weight loss secrets they don't want you to know about.

00:32:56.000 There's people that are hiding information.

00:32:59.000 Well, that guy put together this huge, multiple million dollar professional pool league, and he was going to market it based on the idea that you could gamble on the matches online.

00:33:11.000 And right when it was coming out, right when they invested all the money, they changed the laws.

00:33:17.000 And it was just to force out all the online gambling.

00:33:20.000 All the online casinos and online, you know, all that Bowdog.com, all those different places.

00:33:25.000 Those guys all got fucked.

00:33:26.000 Dudes had to leave the country.

00:33:28.000 That Bowdog guy, he had a Bowdog fight.

00:33:31.000 There's an organization, a fight organization.

00:33:33.000 He had to leave the country.

00:33:35.000 He can't come to America. 1.00

00:33:36.000 If he comes to America, they'll arrest him.

00:33:38.000 And it's just because of online gambling.

00:33:40.000 It's so gross.

00:33:42.000 It makes me so sick.

00:33:43.000 The idea that they can somehow or another prevent people from gambling.

00:33:47.000 But you don't prevent them from gambling in Vegas.

00:33:49.000 You don't prevent them in Atlantic City.

00:33:51.000 You don't prevent them in Indian casinos.

00:33:52.000 You don't prevent them in card casinos.

00:33:54.000 It's just like they've decided arbitrarily to keep people from doing it online because it hurts those casinos or it hurts whatever, whoever it is that it hurts.

00:34:03.000 They've decided to allow them to prohibit business.

00:34:07.000 They've allowed them to halt competition and halt innovation.

00:34:11.000 Because by eliminating online gambling, you're not just eliminating online gambling.

00:34:16.000 You're eliminating a lot of different financial transactions.

00:34:19.000 You're eliminating a lot of wagering that is done through credit cards.

00:34:23.000 You're eliminating all sorts of different things.

00:34:26.000 You're stopping a business.

00:34:27.000 You're stopping buildings from being built.

00:34:30.000 You're stopping people from being hired.

00:34:32.000 And it is freedom of expression.

00:34:33.000 If you're an adult, why shouldn't you be allowed to spend your money on what you want?

00:34:37.000 Exactly.

00:34:37.000 You're going to force these people to go to Costa Rica.

00:34:40.000 I mean, you're doing a lot of stupid shit.

00:34:42.000 You're really stopping business.

00:34:44.000 Everything from the construction of buildings these people are going to use to the employees, the financial careers that people could have in online gambling, running websites, legit businesses, where you're providing a legit service.

00:34:57.000 But somehow or another, this county government got away with stopping all that shit.

00:35:01.000 It really makes me sick.

00:35:03.000 But if you could use Bitcoin, if that's a legal loophole, and you could use Bitcoin to gamble on things, God damn, like sports, if you could gamble on the fucking Super Bowl, Major League Baseball, NBA, UFC, boxing, golf, if you could gamble on all that shit.

00:35:23.000 Yeah, that would be worth billions.

00:35:24.000 Fuck yeah, it would be worth billions.

00:35:25.000 Not only would it be worth billions, if people found out that you could actually buy shit with this Bitcoin, they would start investing chunks of their portfolio in Bitcoins.

00:35:33.000 People would say, hey, you know, I want 10% of my finances in Bitcoin because I like to gamble.

00:35:38.000 Well, I think the whole porn thing is going to be huge where a lot of guys want to tip the girls that they watch on the live cam sites.

00:35:46.000 Right.

00:35:46.000 But they don't because they don't want their credit card linked to the site because then their wife will see it and it'll be a whole shitstorm.

00:35:51.000 Meddling bitch. 1.00

00:35:52.000 But if they can just load up at the local 7-Eleven on $50 worth of Bitcoin, have it transferred to their account.

00:35:59.000 Can they do that?

00:36:00.000 Can you buy Bitcoin at 7-Eleven?

00:36:02.000 Basically, you can use various money services or you used to be able to.

00:36:06.000 But that's where things are headed.

00:36:08.000 I think that we're getting ATM machines now coming online.

00:36:11.000 There was one in Boston that I saw a video of.

00:36:14.000 Yeah, I've seen that as well.

00:36:15.000 That's interesting.

00:36:17.000 That would definitely open the door.

00:36:19.000 And for folks who don't know, technology, porn opens up the door to technology all the time.

00:36:25.000 I mean, online video, online statistics, all that stuff came from adult stuff.

00:36:29.000 Well, when Apple cut Flash out, when Apple stopped Flash on the iPads and on their laptops and on their phones, when they did that, what is the other?

00:36:43.000 5 HTP?

00:36:44.000 No, that's the supplement.

00:36:45.000 HTML5.

00:36:46.000 HTML5, thanks.

00:36:47.000 5 HTP.

00:36:49.000 Yeah, new mood.

00:36:50.000 They put new mood in their computers.

00:36:51.000 What?

00:36:53.000 When they started using HTML5, I mean, all the porn sites started adopting it.

00:36:58.000 I mean, it was almost instantaneous.

00:37:00.000 Where you used to not be able to watch porn on your iPhone, and then pow pow, there it is.

00:37:04.000 They're just like, these are human forces.

00:37:06.000 People need to watch porn.

00:37:08.000 People need to transact.

00:37:10.000 David Seaman, do they need it?

00:37:10.000 They need it.

00:37:12.000 People need to transact.

00:37:13.000 Yeah, they do need it.

00:37:14.000 Fuck yeah.

00:37:14.000 Look at the Middle East.

00:37:15.000 I think half the issue with the Middle East is that guys are just not getting off enough.

00:37:19.000 You should put like a thousand rub and tugs in the Middle East and just see what happens.

00:37:22.000 There's definitely that.

00:37:23.000 Don't quote me on that, but I think that's what I'm saying.

00:37:25.000 Women are supposed to dress like Job of the Hutt, you know? 1.00

00:37:28.000 That's an issue, too.

00:37:29.000 You're covering them up.

00:37:30.000 No, it's just so repressive.

00:37:32.000 And I understand like you got to respect somebody's culture, but you also have to respect the fact that a lot of these people living in these societies probably don't want to live that way.

00:37:40.000 That culture is a trap.

00:37:41.000 There's a problem with any suppressive culture.

00:37:45.000 It's a trap.

00:37:46.000 And you can't get out of that trap, especially if that trap is tied to religion. 0.87

00:37:50.000 If you're eliminating information, you're eliminating progress.

00:37:54.000 You're eliminating people growing.

00:37:55.000 And you're doing it under the name of religion.

00:37:57.000 You know what, man?

00:37:58.000 I really, if I don't know what God wrote or what he didn't wrote, but I highly doubt if he's the way you're describing him, this awesome, amazing guy, I highly doubt he gives a fuck what kind of clothes you wear.

00:38:10.000 That's just me, though.

00:38:11.000 I mean, I'm not thinking for God or anything, but I just highly doubt.

00:38:15.000 So what you're dealing with, most likely, I'm not saying definitely, but most likely, is some bullshit written by people, and it's poisoned your culture.

00:38:23.000 Absolutely poisoned the very foundations of your culture and won't allow any progress.

00:38:28.000 It will not allow new information.

00:38:30.000 It will not allow consideration of old ways.

00:38:33.000 The way you live is perfect, and it will not change.

00:38:37.000 You're going to be cutting camels' heads off with fucking dull knives to the end of time.

00:38:42.000 And that's just what it is.

00:38:43.000 What you're doing is how you're always going to do it.

00:38:45.000 You're always going to say Allah Wakba. 1.00

00:38:47.000 You're always going to fucking dress that way.

00:38:49.000 You're always going to bow to the East. 0.99

00:38:51.000 All that same shit that you've been doing since the beginning of the millennia.

00:38:54.000 You're going to continue to do that.

00:38:55.000 That's nonsense.

00:38:56.000 Well, if you're labeling somebody you disagree with as an infidel or is not an infidel.

00:39:01.000 There's not a lot of room for reasonable discussion there.

00:39:04.000 You're like, here's my point.

00:39:05.000 And then the other person's point is, you're an infidel. 0.92

00:39:07.000 If we had a softball team, we would call ourselves the infidels. 1.00

00:39:10.000 That would be dope.

00:39:11.000 It'd be a good name for a strip club. 0.98

00:39:13.000 Yeah, have a JRE podcast softball team.

00:39:16.000 Call ourselves the JRE Infidels.

00:39:20.000 It would be a good name for a strip club. 0.98

00:39:22.000 Make all the girls wear veils. 1.00

00:39:24.000 They wouldn't feel bad.

00:39:26.000 They wouldn't feel bad about seeing their face.

00:39:27.000 You couldn't see them.

00:39:28.000 It'd be like they're robbing a bank when they're showing you their pussy. 1.00

00:39:31.000 Right?

00:39:32.000 It's a good idea, actually.

00:39:34.000 Call it the infidels, and all girls wear veils. 1.00

00:39:37.000 It's not a bad move.

00:39:38.000 Because a lot of women, you know, want to have anonymity. 1.00

00:39:41.000 Want some crazy things?

00:39:42.000 You think so?

00:39:43.000 I think so.

00:39:44.000 I saw this famous actress at a coffee shop near my place the other day.

00:39:48.000 Yeah.

00:39:49.000 And she was sitting at a table by herself and had on like the big bug-eye sunglasses.

00:39:53.000 She's like a praying mantis, pretty much. 0.74

00:39:55.000 And I was thinking, people can't want that.

00:39:58.000 Maybe you want it 5% of the time.

00:40:00.000 But I think in that particular moment, somebody would not want that.

00:40:03.000 Whoa, you mean that amount of attention?

00:40:05.000 Yeah, because if you're a woman in some of these Arab societies, you can't just walk around like American style. 1.00

00:40:12.000 I think it was on one of your podcasts, actually.

00:40:13.000 Some guy was jerking off on a rooftop because he saw like a woman's veil come down or something.

00:40:18.000 They're very sexually repressed.

00:40:19.000 So you can't even just dress normally in a coffee shop without getting the same kind of attention that over here an A-list actress would get. 1.00

00:40:27.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:40:28.000 Well, just the idea that you're supposed to cover your head always.

00:40:32.000 Always wear a veil.

00:40:35.000 Is that unsanitary, you think, over time?

00:40:38.000 No.

00:40:38.000 Not really.

00:40:39.000 I mean, no more than wearing a baseball hat, right?

00:40:41.000 That's not unsanitary.

00:40:42.000 I just want to.

00:40:42.000 How's your hair?

00:40:43.000 Everything okay under there?

00:40:44.000 It actually protects your hair.

00:40:45.000 There you go.

00:40:46.000 So sun and damage.

00:40:47.000 Sun can damage your hair.

00:40:49.000 It can.

00:40:49.000 Well, it definitely damages your face.

00:40:51.000 Well, all this bullshit that people worry about, like the cell phone Neurotower weapons or whatever.

00:40:57.000 Wait a minute.

00:40:57.000 Hold on.

00:40:59.000 People are hanging out with, man.

00:41:01.000 People tweet me some weird shit.

00:41:04.000 You got to stop fighting with people on Twitter, man.

00:41:06.000 You really do.

00:41:07.000 When people say stupid shit to you, just ignore it and block them.

00:41:10.000 Please.

00:41:11.000 Yeah, I've got to do it.

00:41:12.000 You're getting locked into it, and then you're like, I'm retiring from Twitter.

00:41:15.000 No, I get locked into it.

00:41:17.000 Recently, it was Sunday morning at 7 a.m. and my phone goes off.

00:41:20.000 And I'm like, oh, what is this?

00:41:21.000 And it's all caps, like hatred from some psycho.

00:41:24.000 And I'm just like, okay.

00:41:25.000 Here's mistake number one.

00:41:26.000 You don't connect your fucking phone to your Twitter.

00:41:28.000 I got to turn it off.

00:41:29.000 Of course you do.

00:41:31.000 You know who still has it that way?

00:41:32.000 Doug Benson.

00:41:33.000 Ladies and gentlemen, you want to fuck with Doug Benson right now?

00:41:36.000 Tweet the shit out of him.

00:41:38.000 Just fucking tweet him constantly.

00:41:40.000 Tweet him all day because his phone will just, it'll run out of batteries in 10 minutes.

00:41:44.000 Like, how long does your battery last?

00:41:46.000 Like, 10 seconds?

00:41:47.000 I mean, I assume it was just because my iPhone is shitty batteries.

00:41:51.000 You're allowing the world to text you, essentially.

00:41:53.000 You're allowing the whole world filled with assholes to text you.

00:41:55.000 I got to turn that off.

00:41:55.000 You're right.

00:41:57.000 You know what?

00:41:57.000 This is going to help me more than going infrared saunas and all the bullshit I do to relax.

00:42:01.000 I'm just going to take Twitter off my phone.

00:42:04.000 Yeah, well, you're dealing with too many people.

00:42:06.000 You know, when you deal with that many people, you can't have them at their discretion get in touch with you.

00:42:12.000 You have a certain amount of responsibility to try to connect with people online because it's what you do and it's what I do as well.

00:42:18.000 But you can't allow them to just do it at their discretion anytime because it's intrusive.

00:42:23.000 Your regular life is important.

00:42:25.000 Like you have to be able to have time to reflect.

00:42:27.000 If you don't, you'll never form your own opinions.

00:42:30.000 You'll just be constantly inundated with information and other people's activity.

00:42:34.000 You can't do that.

00:42:35.000 You can't allow that.

00:42:37.000 It's a symptom of the new world.

00:42:39.000 And you are experiencing it in extreme form because you're sort of a public figure and you're a journalist and you're controversial and you cover a lot of very fascinating subjects.

00:42:50.000 So you're going to get a lot more than the average person who has this set up like that.

00:42:54.000 It's just too much, man.

00:42:55.000 You can't do it that way.

00:42:56.000 That's very true.

00:42:58.000 Do that starting today.

00:42:59.000 My phone would explode if I did that.

00:43:01.000 It would literally shake.

00:43:03.000 It would just shake and just, boom, sparks would fly out of it.

00:43:06.000 Do you remember when your phone like froze up because of something happened?

00:43:08.000 Or all these people text you and your phone?

00:43:10.000 Yeah, I was just thinking that.

00:43:12.000 I was thinking like the Twitter app probably can't handle that many things at once.

00:43:15.000 Probably just freeze up.

00:43:16.000 One time I accidentally gave my cell phone number out on Twitter.

00:43:20.000 I was trying to send it to somebody in a PM and I sent it to the whole world and my fucking phone literally just shut off and rebooted.

00:43:28.000 It was like, this has got to be wrong.

00:43:30.000 I'm going to reboot myself.

00:43:31.000 It rebooted itself.

00:43:32.000 It just was like, fuck you.

00:43:34.000 It committed suicide.

00:43:35.000 That's awesome.

00:43:36.000 It was just, my inbox filled up in five seconds.

00:43:40.000 And then the texts that were coming, it's just, I tweeted something yesterday that somebody sent me that I was talking about how I felt when my child was born that I was thinking about how crazy it must be how many different babies are being born right now.

00:43:56.000 If you could see them all in real time in front of you, like on a giant screen, it would be like a baby invasion.

00:44:02.000 I mean, you don't think about it because you're only in that hospital room while that one's being born.

00:44:06.000 Well, somebody sent me a tweet, and in that tweet is a link that shows in real time every baby being born all around the world.

00:44:15.000 And it is a fucking invasion.

00:44:17.000 That's what it is scary app.

00:44:18.000 Yeah, it is like if Obama gave out his cell phone.

00:44:21.000 That's what it's like.

00:44:22.000 I mean, it's just baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, Switzerland, Africa, Indonesia, China.

00:44:30.000 And that's just the reported babies.

00:44:32.000 That's not the little tykes shit out in the bottom of a fucking grass hut in the middle of the jungle. 0.89

00:44:37.000 You know, they didn't count those.

00:44:38.000 They only counted the ones that weren't.

00:44:39.000 The ones that are in the hospital.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, I mean, Find the link?

00:44:43.000 Was it yesterday?

00:44:44.000 Yeah, I quoted it as a retweet.

00:44:48.000 You know, instead of a retweet, I quoted it.

00:44:50.000 Oh, here we go.

00:44:52.000 It's crazy.

00:44:53.000 It's so nuts.

00:44:54.000 You go to it and it's...

00:45:00.000 GoogleDrive.com?

00:45:03.000 No.

00:45:03.000 What does it say up on top?

00:45:04.000 It says GoogleDrive.com.

00:45:06.000 Sounds legit.

00:45:08.000 Well, look at that.

00:45:09.000 Those are the babies.

00:45:10.000 See those babies on both sides? 1.00

00:45:13.000 Holy shit.

00:45:14.000 That is scary.

00:45:15.000 Isn't that incredible?

00:45:16.000 Yeah.

00:45:16.000 Those are all babies.

00:45:18.000 It's going about deaths going about one second.

00:45:23.000 I don't see a lot of U.S. Not a lot of U.S. births.

00:45:26.000 How is that only googledrive.com?

00:45:28.000 That's all it is?

00:45:28.000 Well, it's googledrive.com backslash host.

00:45:32.000 Oh, a bunch of other shit.

00:45:33.000 So the stuff that we can't see that's all like real blurry, that's the other stuff.

00:45:36.000 Do you think this is what the NSA sees?

00:45:38.000 They see like every new human being coming online?

00:45:40.000 Yeah, the NSA is paying attention 24 hours a day to every one of these babies.

00:45:45.000 Make sure they're not fucking doing anything illegal.

00:45:48.000 Look at all these babies.

00:45:49.000 This is crazy.

00:45:51.000 This is a fucking influence.

00:45:52.000 I feel like we're going to run out of oxygen or something.

00:45:54.000 It's terrifying.

00:45:55.000 Man, and I don't see a lot of American flags either, man.

00:45:58.000 I see a lot of those other countries are out fucking.

00:46:00.000 A lot of the red Chinese flags.

00:46:02.000 That bothers me.

00:46:03.000 As an American, I think we need to do our job and do some more fucking.

00:46:07.000 Most deaths, China is number one. 1.00

00:46:10.000 Most births, India is number one.

00:46:12.000 stopped.

00:46:12.000 Look at that.

00:46:13.000 What if...

00:46:15.000 No, but the computer crash?

00:46:17.000 No, I just...

00:46:22.000 What if one day we went on that thing and it was a day where there was no babies?

00:46:26.000 That movie with Clive Owen, Children of Men.

00:46:29.000 Yeah, when people stopped being fertile or something fucking stupid.

00:46:33.000 You know, well, that is the people that are not dooming gloomers about overpopulation.

00:46:38.000 Their idea is that as time goes on, what's going to happen is the cultures, like third world cultures that are like really having massive amounts of children, childbirths, those are going to become more developed.

00:46:53.000 And as they become more developed, we're actually going to have a decreasing population.

00:46:56.000 That's the non-doom and gloomers.

00:46:58.000 They obviously don't have this website on bookmark because if they did, they would see the fucking invasion in real time.

00:47:04.000 And oh my God, how are we going to have enough oil?

00:47:08.000 Well, there's a theory that the more people you have in an area, the more kind of like intelligent productivity you have.

00:47:14.000 So higher population doesn't lead to the Malthusian meltdown where people starve and kill each other to get back into a lower population realm.

00:47:24.000 Instead, it's the high population itself that's what is leading to innovation.

00:47:29.000 And somewhere along that innovation can keep up with the higher population.

00:47:33.000 That makes sense.

00:47:34.000 Yeah, so it's basically you look at humans like kind of like a network capacity.

00:47:38.000 It makes sense.

00:47:39.000 What concerns me most, though, is just the actual natural physical resources.

00:47:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:44.000 I watched that.

00:47:44.000 And pollution.

00:47:45.000 Yeah, and pollution.

00:47:46.000 I watched that movie Jiro Dreams of Sushi.

00:47:50.000 I've talked about that movie like 30 times.

00:47:52.000 I'm obsessed with it.

00:47:53.000 Really interesting.

00:47:54.000 You know, first of all, I learned two things.

00:47:54.000 Weird.

00:47:57.000 One, I would never want to be a fucking sushi chef because they work too hard.

00:48:00.000 Those fucking people work hard, man.

00:48:02.000 The apprentices who are stay apprenticed till they're like 50 years old?

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 How about the fact that the guy worked on making eggs for like 10 years before he got it right?

00:48:11.000 And then when the guy told him he did it right, he started crying.

00:48:15.000 What?

00:48:16.000 You cooked an egg right?

00:48:17.000 That's why that movie is so beautiful, you know, because we would be sick of that shit after 15 minutes.

00:48:21.000 The guy has a 10-seat room.

00:48:24.000 It's a 10-seat room in a Tokyo subway station.

00:48:27.000 It's booked out for like months, right?

00:48:29.000 Booked out for months, and it's the best sushi in the world, apparently.

00:48:32.000 And the guy, I mean, his son's 50 years old, and his son goes to the fish market every day and buys from the same guy who's like literally got a flashlight on the tuna and touching it with his fingers.

00:48:44.000 And he has to make sure he has a feel for the texture.

00:48:47.000 And the texture will directly contribute or directly correlate with great flavor.

00:48:52.000 Like he knows what texture is the right one.

00:48:54.000 Then they know like how to age the tuna and how long for an old tuna, how long for a young tuna.

00:49:01.000 Fucking crazy shit, man.

00:49:03.000 Those are true artisans.

00:49:04.000 Yeah.

00:49:05.000 Can you imagine if we had that in the U.S., like at every level of our society?

00:49:08.000 Somebody putting out a new app, like the new Facebook app is like, I'm not sure if this is perfected yet.

00:49:13.000 And they just study it for the next six months before they release it.

00:49:16.000 Yeah, no shit, man.

00:49:17.000 And I mean, there's no money to be made in what this guy's doing either.

00:49:20.000 I mean, there's enough money to keep afloat, I'm sure, but he's got a 10-seat fucking place.

00:49:27.000 And these people talk about his sushi, like, you know, restaurateurs and restaurant critics.

00:49:35.000 And they say they get nervous when they go there.

00:49:37.000 They get nervous when they meet him.

00:49:39.000 The guy takes the same fucking subway every day, sits in the same seat, gets on at the same stop.

00:49:44.000 He's 85 fucking years old, and he's been working every day since he was, you know, like fucking 20.

00:49:49.000 Look at what an old boss he is, though, if he comes back up.

00:49:51.000 There he is.

00:49:52.000 Yeah.

00:49:53.000 Or no, that's his favorite son.

00:49:54.000 That's his son.

00:49:55.000 His son's 50.

00:49:57.000 Like, everything about the way they cook.

00:49:59.000 The place is fucking amazing.

00:50:00.000 It made me want to fly to Japan.

00:50:02.000 It made me want to book.

00:50:03.000 I bet you can't even book online.

00:50:04.000 I bet you got to go there in person and get your reservations.

00:50:08.000 But it made me want to try this sushi and find out what the fuck it's all about.

00:50:11.000 He probably gives you like a riddle like a Zen Cohen that you have to solve. 0.94

00:50:14.000 And if you solve it, he's like, okay, three months from now, lunch.

00:50:17.000 We're on.

00:50:18.000 And if I was going to do it, I would want to do it quick before that whole place is nuclear.

00:50:22.000 Before Godzilla shows up.

00:50:25.000 Fukushima's shit is pretty unsettling.

00:50:27.000 It's very unsettling.

00:50:29.000 But, you know, there was a scientist that went there and was catching fish from right off the shore, and they tested fish.

00:50:35.000 They tested a flounder.

00:50:37.000 I think, what's the other word for a flounder?

00:50:40.000 A ground fish.

00:50:41.000 Soul.

00:50:41.000 It might have been a soul.

00:50:42.000 Ground fish.

00:50:43.000 A flat fish.

00:50:44.000 One of those flatfish.

00:50:45.000 But the point is, those fish stay in that area.

00:50:48.000 They're not migratory.

00:50:49.000 And you could eat it.

00:50:51.000 It's fine.

00:50:52.000 Yeah, it's fine to eat.

00:50:53.000 So what he's saying is that the ocean is so fucking enormous that it's not really having the same effect that people think it has.

00:51:00.000 Yeah, it is scary stuff.

00:51:02.000 The water leak is very scary.

00:51:04.000 It's still dangerous.

00:51:05.000 But it dissipates out enough.

00:51:06.000 And the ocean, yeah, there's just the ocean is so goddamn big that right now it's okay.

00:51:11.000 But the real issue is not just Fukushima.

00:51:14.000 It's these nuclear plants in general.

00:51:17.000 To make it relative to someone, I had a conversation with a friend who is very pro-business and very pro-nuclear power and the benefits of nuclear power.

00:51:27.000 And he's talking about these few places where the issues have arisen.

00:51:31.000 And I said, well, okay, I just want you to think about the amount of time that nuclear power has been here.

00:51:36.000 Now think about the amount of nuclear power plants that exist.

00:51:40.000 Now think about how many of the men have had catastrophic failures.

00:51:44.000 Only two, right?

00:51:46.000 Only two.

00:51:46.000 You're right.

00:51:47.000 But those two, those places are fahed forever.

00:51:53.000 There's two, and it's less than 100 years of nuclear power.

00:51:56.000 How long do you think people have been around?

00:51:58.000 What if people are around another 20,000 years?

00:52:01.000 Stop and think about how many of those nuclear power plants are going to fuh everything around them.

00:52:08.000 There's two places right now: Chernobyl and this place.

00:52:11.000 And then there's a three-mile island or four-mile island or whatever the fuck it is.

00:52:14.000 That place is kind of fucked, but not quite as fucked.

00:52:17.000 I don't think we know enough about it.

00:52:19.000 I think that we're too new for us, and we don't have the timetable that you would need to do it properly.

00:52:26.000 Sure.

00:52:26.000 You're absolutely.

00:52:27.000 Like, our lifespans are just too short.

00:52:28.000 We're like fucking fruit flies working with this technology that has ramifications that'll be around for thousands of years.

00:52:35.000 Our lifespan is nothing compared to the lifespan of any kind of leak.

00:52:39.000 Well, also, we grew up in a time where these things already existed, and we didn't have any say in their construction.

00:52:45.000 And so they were manufactured by people who kind of assumed workarounds.

00:52:50.000 All that technology is probably old as fuck by now.

00:52:52.000 It is old as fuck.

00:52:53.000 The one in Fukushima is old as fuck.

00:52:54.000 It's outdated technology.

00:52:56.000 But they kind of assumed upon construction that with innovation and with progress, in the future there was going to be able to be a way to correct all these issues.

00:53:04.000 Well, there's not.

00:53:05.000 There still isn't.

00:53:07.000 At least with coal power plants, even though those are messy too, it's only fucking up the present.

00:53:12.000 It's not like you're leaving this thing that for thousands of years is going to be making children have birth defects and stuff.

00:53:18.000 It's like, you know, it's messy when it's drawn out of the earth.

00:53:21.000 It's probably not good for the environment at all, but it's temporary.

00:53:25.000 It's not something that's destroying areas for a long time.

00:53:28.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:53:30.000 It's like you look at what people are willing to accept and not willing to accept just in the name of having fuel, just in the name of progress, just in the name of financial reward.

00:53:43.000 And it's kind of scary how flippant people are about polluting the ocean, about polluting the BP oil scale.

00:53:50.000 I had Peter Schiff on, and we were talking about the BP thing, and he was talking about...

00:53:57.000 He kind of gets under my skin because a lot of the limited government stuff I can latch onto and agree with.

00:54:04.000 But then there's something, I don't know how to describe it.

00:54:06.000 It's like there's not a certain humanism there that you need to have.

00:54:09.000 Yes.

00:54:09.000 Like everything doesn't have to be in your framework of the free market principle.

00:54:13.000 Like that's great for a lot of shit.

00:54:14.000 If you want to get the best water or the best soda or the best weed, it's probably a good idea to get free markets working there so you have competition.

00:54:22.000 It doesn't have to be for every single facet of life.

00:54:26.000 Well, the real issue with him is environmental.

00:54:28.000 That's the real issue.

00:54:29.000 His willingness to, you know, the fracking thing, like his concern about fracking was so, it was really funny, like talking to him about people that have had their land just destroyed forever.

00:54:42.000 And he was saying, well, they got millions of dollars.

00:54:44.000 Those people, they got money they would have never been able to get.

00:54:46.000 They got hush money.

00:54:47.000 But it's still, their land is fucked.

00:54:50.000 Like the money is all, it's all relative.

00:54:53.000 Like, what's a million dollars to Peter Schiff?

00:54:55.000 It's probably not nearly as much as it is to those people.

00:54:58.000 So for Peter Schiff, a million dollars or whatever the fuck these people, that's worth it to destroy a piece of property, essentially for as long as people have ever been around.

00:55:08.000 What was weird about that too is I think you asked him about the environmental impact and he said there's nothing wrong with fracking.

00:55:13.000 There's no environmental impact and we know that's not true.

00:55:17.000 Like just Google it.

00:55:17.000 It's all over the place.

00:55:18.000 It's not true at all.

00:55:19.000 There's over a thousand documented wells that have been polluted from fracking.

00:55:24.000 You know, the idea is that if fracturing works exactly according to plan, it's so deep in the ground that you're not going to disturb wells.

00:55:32.000 But it doesn't work according to plan.

00:55:34.000 It's a crazy business.

00:55:35.000 What you do, you're pumping water into the center of the earth.

00:55:37.000 You're creating earthquakes.

00:55:39.000 And I've had a lot of people Google me like, you need to get up to date with your research, like really right-wingy type people who are pro-business, who, by the way, almost always financially struggling, but are clearing the way for the one day when in the future they have money.

00:55:52.000 They're going to go out.

00:55:54.000 They're going to need the regulations to be kind of light because they want to make some money in this economy.

00:55:59.000 Well, all these people, I would send them to all these websites and then they would just vanish.

00:56:04.000 Like, you can't say anything.

00:56:05.000 So I'll just send you, I'll send you all the links.

00:56:08.000 I'll send you the fucking, one of the CEOs of Exxon petitioning to not have fracking on his property.

00:56:13.000 Right.

00:56:14.000 And one of the richest, most, It doesn't sound like something that's good for the earth.

00:56:20.000 Yeah, the Exxon CEO is hilarious.

00:56:23.000 So he doesn't want it near his property.

00:56:24.000 Yeah.

00:56:25.000 Yeah, he doesn't want fracking.

00:56:28.000 He thinks it's going to fuck with his property values.

00:56:31.000 Yeah, it does, dude.

00:56:33.000 Yeah, Exxon CEO doesn't want fracking facility near his U.S. home.

00:56:37.000 He files a lawsuit.

00:56:39.000 You fucking dirty man.

00:56:41.000 You're a dirty man, Rex Tillerson.

00:56:44.000 Is that his name, Rex Tillerson?

00:56:46.000 He sounds like a dinosaur.

00:56:47.000 It sounds like an industrialist from like the 1800s.

00:56:50.000 He's so scary.

00:56:52.000 You ever seen There will be blood?

00:56:53.000 Yes.

00:56:54.000 Yeah, it sounds like one of those guys.

00:56:55.000 Exactly.

00:56:56.000 Yeah.

00:57:01.000 Nothing could be further from the truth.

00:57:03.000 Yes, a lot of things can be further from the truth.

00:57:06.000 It could be that a quarter is actually a gremlin who lives on the moon and likes to suck baby dicks.

00:57:11.000 Okay, that's further from the truth.

00:57:13.000 You fucking dummy.

00:57:15.000 Nothing could be further from the truth.

00:57:17.000 Oh, the Earth is really a frisbee.

00:57:19.000 Is that further from the truth?

00:57:20.000 You fucking cunt. 0.87

00:57:23.000 You shitbag lawyer.

00:57:24.000 So they will not be a sponsor of your podcast anytime soon?

00:57:27.000 They can all fuck themselves.

00:57:29.000 Citizens of Bartonville described as a wealthy community, which you'd expect that, giving the houses of the chief of Enron, have sued to stop the tower.

00:57:40.000 The tower is being built by Cross Timbers Water Supply.

00:57:45.000 It would be a 15-story building adjacent to Tillerson's 83-acre horse ranch, not far from an 18-acre homestead.

00:57:55.000 Among the others who oppose the project are people not exactly known for their environmental concerns.

00:58:01.000 Former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Amney and his wife, for example.

00:58:05.000 All these fucking rich cunts they're putting in their neighborhood and they don't want it. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Oh, you guys are fine when it was in Baltimore.

00:58:11.000 All right, you guys were fine when it was in the middle of Pennsylvania, shitting into a river that people like to fish in.

00:58:17.000 Fuck all you.

00:58:19.000 Fuck all you fucking criminals.

00:58:21.000 You shitty environmental criminals.

00:58:23.000 You guys are ruining the earth.

00:58:25.000 This is not a way to do it.

00:58:26.000 You can't just pump water and chemicals into the ground because We know that there's gas and oil there.

00:58:31.000 That's county shit.

00:58:33.000 This is a terrible idea.

00:58:35.000 Well, then we extract the water afterwards.

00:58:37.000 That's what Brian Dunning says.

00:58:39.000 No worries.

00:58:40.000 Afterwards, we simply extract the water.

00:58:43.000 You ever heard his video on it?

00:58:45.000 Even takes on an affected accent, like an affected way.

00:58:48.000 Oh, there's no worries.

00:58:50.000 He's a peaceful accent.

00:58:51.000 He's talking like a fool.

00:58:53.000 Like, oh, don't worry.

00:58:55.000 Why?

00:58:56.000 Hydraulic fracturing.

00:58:58.000 That's literally what he sounds like when he talks about it, explaining how simple it is.

00:59:02.000 Oh, it's only poisoned a thousand wells so far.

00:59:05.000 It's only been around for a few decades.

00:59:08.000 Don't worry.

00:59:08.000 What's a thousand places that are poisoned forever?

00:59:12.000 No worry.

00:59:13.000 The country's big.

00:59:14.000 We're predisposed to listen to people who sound reasonable.

00:59:17.000 Yes, reasonable.

00:59:19.000 That's what I'm saying, David Seaman.

00:59:21.000 Let's be reasonable.

00:59:22.000 Hydraulic fracturing is very safe.

00:59:25.000 You should ask for it in your community today.

00:59:27.000 Ask for it in your own home.

00:59:30.000 Hydraulically fracture your own gas from the ground below you.

00:59:34.000 That's like the reverse mortgage guy that's on at nights.

00:59:37.000 So convincing old people to cash in their home equity. 1.00

00:59:40.000 It's a good way to get it.

00:59:42.000 It shows him in front of a sports car.

00:59:43.000 And it's like, yeah, you get a sports car, but you also lose the fucking equity to your house.

00:59:47.000 You no longer own the house you live in.

00:59:50.000 But at least that is just financial.

00:59:53.000 Money comes and goes, and it's here and it's there.

00:59:55.000 You're not poisoning the fucking very water that people can drink.

00:59:59.000 You're not changing the water.

01:00:01.000 Like people used to be able to use that to fertilize crops, to feed their animals, to drink.

01:00:07.000 Now if they drink it, they get like neurotoxins.

01:00:10.000 They get like poison.

01:00:12.000 Their nerves stop working.

01:00:13.000 Anybody who thinks that's totally okay, I would recommend the prescription of yoga, meditation, weed brownies, as long as it's permissible by law. 1.00

01:00:22.000 All those things would help.

01:00:23.000 All three of those things would be the fucking trifecta of not being a dick anymore.

01:00:26.000 The weed brownies are the most introspective. 1.00

01:00:28.000 And like if you want to think about a drug that makes you consider everything that you're doing wrong, God damn those things.

01:00:35.000 Get to the heart of it.

01:00:36.000 Helps me see the other person's perspective.

01:00:39.000 And then even if I want to go ahead with what I'm doing, at least I've seen it from their point of view.

01:00:43.000 So it's not coming from a place of ignorance.

01:00:45.000 It's coming from, oh, I see both sides.

01:00:46.000 Now I can do what I want.

01:00:48.000 Whereas before, you're just the person who doesn't see how the world is perceiving it.

01:00:52.000 And it's kind of scary.

01:00:53.000 It's scary to me that I went that long without using that stuff.

01:00:57.000 Well, the reason for a lot of the people that have these negative opinions on marijuana brownies or pot cookies is that most of the times they're used recreationally.

01:01:08.000 Most of the times people are using them just sort of to have fun with them.

01:01:11.000 They're already drunk, and then they associate being hungover and like making bad decisions with the marijuana has nothing to do with that.

01:01:11.000 Or they're fucked up.

01:01:18.000 Well, people think of it as more of a party thing, which it kind of can be.

01:01:21.000 It is fun to get high and watch Star Wars with your buddies.

01:01:25.000 It is.

01:01:25.000 It's fun.

01:01:26.000 You know, if you have a bunch of people over the house and you go, let's eat pot brownies and watch Star Wars.

01:01:30.000 Fuck yeah.

01:01:31.000 You know, it's fun.

01:01:32.000 It's also fun to watch Star Trek by yourself like every day on Netflix.

01:01:37.000 But it also, besides being fun, it most certainly can be a tool for psychological exploration.

01:01:44.000 It really can.

01:01:45.000 You can explore some areas of your consciousness that maybe you didn't know were really troubling you.

01:01:50.000 And then all of a sudden they get dragged into the forefront and some spotlights get turned on them.

01:01:54.000 And you didn't even know that you had some sort of a subliminal or subconscious hiding of these ideas.

01:02:01.000 I'm not a scientist at all, but I really believe that stuff like that has evolved alongside us.

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:06.000 And that's part of the reason why it's not harmful, why nobody ever ODs on marijuana, is that we've had time to adapt to it and it's adapted to us.

01:02:13.000 And we have this symbiotic relationship where it's making us more introspective and we're able to innovate as a result.

01:02:21.000 And because of that, we tend to grow more marijuana, which keeps it alive and keeps it thriving.

01:02:25.000 So it's like this thing, like a coral reef almost.

01:02:29.000 And then we come along with modern society, we make all this shit illegal just for the sake of it.

01:02:34.000 And we do away with things that people have had as basic tools for most of human history.

01:02:39.000 You think about it, like this shit has only been illegal for what, like 70 years?

01:02:43.000 Yeah, it's main thing you're dead on.

01:02:45.000 I think that's exactly what's going on.

01:02:46.000 And I think it's changing.

01:02:48.000 I don't think you can stop the change that's currently underway.

01:02:51.000 I think what Colorado did and what Seattle or Washington State did, those decisions made by people.

01:03:00.000 And then you see that not only is the sky not falling, but those people are making a lot of money.

01:03:04.000 And then it just opens up.

01:03:05.000 And now that the banks are going to be allowed to take the money from the Colorado dispensaries, what do they call them if it's legal?

01:03:12.000 It's not a dispensary if it's legal.

01:03:13.000 Is it a pot store?

01:03:16.000 It's a dispensary if it's a caregivership, maybe.

01:03:18.000 But it's not caregiver because it's not medical.

01:03:21.000 So it's just the store then.

01:03:22.000 Colorado is just selling weed.

01:03:22.000 Yeah.

01:03:25.000 They just gave up on the whole medical thing, and they're like, yeah, we're just selling weed.

01:03:29.000 Come on in.

01:03:29.000 Seattle's still hanging back.

01:03:31.000 They're like, oh, what are you guys doing?

01:03:33.000 Well, I think they'll see that people are not going to go crazy.

01:03:36.000 And it's going to help the local economy a lot.

01:03:36.000 Yeah.

01:03:38.000 And then other states will want to adopt some form of that.

01:03:41.000 Yeah.

01:03:41.000 Colorado is like the crazy friend that eats the mushrooms first.

01:03:44.000 Yes.

01:03:45.000 Colorado's like, you guys sure that that's not a mushroom that'll kill you?

01:03:47.000 I'll fucking eat it, man.

01:03:49.000 Colorado's like, your crazy friend who's like real skinny but never gets sick and he's got a cowboy hat on.

01:03:54.000 And he's like, I'll eat that fucking brownie, bro. 1.00

01:03:57.000 So Colorado just goes, hey, man, we'll just fucking start selling it.

01:04:01.000 We'll see what's up.

01:04:02.000 And so all these people have like, you know, started these huge businesses.

01:04:05.000 within the first day, within the first seven hours, they'd made millions of dollars.

01:04:10.000 I mean, the amount of money that's being...

01:04:18.000 And it cuts down on crime.

01:04:20.000 I have a friend who actually is a manager at one of the dispensaries out there in Denver.

01:04:26.000 And she was telling me when one of their dispensaries moves into a neighborhood, all the people stop going to their dealer and they just come into the store and that's their new place, obviously, because they want to do something that's less risky.

01:04:38.000 You've just fucked all those dealers out of their money.

01:04:40.000 Now it's being taxed.

01:04:40.000 Like that's done.

01:04:41.000 Now it's being regulated.

01:04:43.000 It's helping people because people are being paid jobs that actually pay well instead of just one drug dealer taking all the money.

01:04:49.000 And people can grow their own.

01:04:51.000 They can grow their own as well.

01:04:52.000 You know, that's another beautiful thing about it.

01:04:54.000 You don't have to worry about the cops coming to your house and breaking in your front door because you've got a plant somewhere in your closet.

01:05:00.000 You don't have to worry about that anymore.

01:05:01.000 It's okay.

01:05:02.000 It's legal.

01:05:03.000 I really like the balance that LA has struck, where there are dispensaries you can buy from, and you see the green whatever it is.

01:05:10.000 The plus sign.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, the plus sign.

01:05:12.000 But it's not in your face.

01:05:13.000 So if you're somebody who doesn't like it or it makes you paranoid when you do it, or you just have a conservative upbringing, it's not something where you're constantly confronted by it.

01:05:20.000 I think that's cool.

01:05:22.000 If you want it, it's very easy to get.

01:05:24.000 If you don't, it doesn't have to be a part of your life.

01:05:26.000 Some people don't like it in their neighborhood.

01:05:28.000 I thought it was really kind of hilarious.

01:05:30.000 I was driving down the street with a friend of mine, and it was in his neighborhood, and there's like the green plus signs.

01:05:36.000 And he's like, you know, look, these fucking things are all over my neighborhood.

01:05:39.000 And I'm like, so is the liquor store, stupid?

01:05:41.000 Yeah.

01:05:41.000 There's a liquor store right there.

01:05:42.000 By the way, you smoke pot.

01:05:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:05:44.000 And nobody leaves the dispensary looking unhappy.

01:05:47.000 Like, people always leave liquor stores looking all bummed out.

01:05:50.000 People leave dispensaries looking the same way they leave when they nut in their pants, when they go and get a lap dance.

01:05:55.000 Like, oh boy, I can't believe I got away with that.

01:05:59.000 They get in their car and they drive away like some kind of a criminal.

01:06:05.000 I think, you know, people just have this attitude that, you know, having a dispensary is somehow or another different than having a liquor store.

01:06:11.000 This guy's got a liquor store.

01:06:13.000 I mean, drive out of his house, take a left, go down the hill, bam, there's a liquor store.

01:06:18.000 There's a fucking dispensary a mile away from that.

01:06:20.000 He's like, these things are my neighborhood.

01:06:23.000 What's all this green plus sign nonsense?

01:06:26.000 Or when you're out with somebody and they smell it on a sidewalk and they're like, they're kind of offended by it.

01:06:30.000 I'm like, why are you offended?

01:06:32.000 This is fucking cool.

01:06:32.000 It's peaceful.

01:06:34.000 It means that people are having a good time around you.

01:06:36.000 It doesn't mean that there's crime or danger.

01:06:37.000 Not only that, it smells good.

01:06:39.000 Yeah, like how you call it a plus sign instead of a green cross.

01:06:42.000 You're just like, no religion. 0.68

01:06:43.000 It's not a cross.

01:06:44.000 Yeah, it's supposed to be like red cross, but it's green cross.

01:06:46.000 No, no.

01:06:47.000 I think that's probably true.

01:06:47.000 Green cross.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, but I mean, even the cross is not a cross anymore.

01:06:52.000 It's a plus sign.

01:06:53.000 It's not religious.

01:06:53.000 It's a plus sign.

01:06:54.000 But it's not.

01:06:55.000 The cross has an extended bottom.

01:06:56.000 There's a difference in the shape.

01:06:57.000 It's a relationship.

01:06:58.000 But even if you're saying it's like the red cross's cross.

01:07:00.000 Yeah, it's medicinal use.

01:07:02.000 That's why it's a cross.

01:07:03.000 That's why it's a green cross.

01:07:05.000 Yeah, but you can't really call it a cross.

01:07:06.000 I like plus better anyways because it doesn't have any kind of religious connotation.

01:07:12.000 I mean, is that really what Red Cross is supposed to be, though?

01:07:14.000 I don't know.

01:07:16.000 Okay, let's Google it.

01:07:16.000 I don't know.

01:07:18.000 You know, that's one of the great things about being a journalist is when you get to the point where you just realize you can say, I don't know to things, and that's the best way to do it.

01:07:26.000 You don't have to draw on what little you know.

01:07:26.000 Because you have Google.

01:07:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:32.000 Aries.

01:07:33.000 What's the green plus sign on pot dispensaries?

01:07:35.000 Okay.

01:07:39.000 Doesn't say.

01:07:39.000 Hmm.

01:07:43.000 How has this not been asked a thousand times over in like Reddit Trees?

01:07:47.000 It's an interesting thing because a lot of these stores, that green plus sign has become so universal that's all it has on the sign.

01:07:54.000 They'll have a green plus sign and then they'll say like W, you know, whatever, you know, West Valley Caregivers was one of them.

01:08:01.000 So it was W V C G. That's all it said.

01:08:05.000 And then you get near, it's West Valley Caregivers, like, what the fuck are you actually selling?

01:08:08.000 And you get in there, and it's just tanks of weed.

01:08:11.000 You're like, oh, I see what you're doing.

01:08:14.000 Unfortunately, that place that I used to go to, my favorite spot, the government told them that they had to close down because they had opened up too late, like after a certain amount of time.

01:08:25.000 They weren't approved or something like that.

01:08:26.000 And the dude was like, he was very nervous about it because they had gotten shut down once or something else.

01:08:31.000 And the guy who owned it previously wound up going to jail.

01:08:37.000 He was one of the few people that got popped.

01:08:39.000 Actually, he didn't own that one.

01:08:40.000 He owned another one.

01:08:41.000 But I know one of the guys who got popped and wound up doing time.

01:08:44.000 And then there's some guys in San Francisco, those guys, Pot University guys, whatever the fuck they are, Cannabis University, those guys are still duking it out in court.

01:08:54.000 Pot McCormick.

01:08:55.000 Todd McCormick.

01:08:56.000 Todd McCormick.

01:08:57.000 Todd McCormick, our friend, is involved in some legal bullshit again.

01:09:03.000 It's crazy.

01:09:03.000 I only do delivery nowadays.

01:09:05.000 I don't even go to the stores anymore.

01:09:06.000 Smart move, man.

01:09:07.000 Yeah.

01:09:07.000 I mean, look, there's plenty of weed, and it's way easier to get, and it's way more relaxed, but it's still sketchy federally.

01:09:17.000 And if someone comes in after Obama, which is very likely, that is more repressive, because this Obama thing has been a goddamn mess.

01:09:26.000 I mean, what he's done and what we thought he was going to do are so polar opposite.

01:09:33.000 You know, they didn't stop the DEA from raiding these medical marijuana facilities.

01:09:36.000 There was a lot of raids during his time.

01:09:38.000 If you want to go and look at how many raids took place during Obama's time, it's been quite substantial.

01:09:43.000 The blowback from that has also been substantial, and it's very damaging to his party because he's essentially a Republican in wolf's clothing.

01:09:51.000 I mean, a lot of the shit that they've done outside of social things have been like, you know, really, really similar to what the Bush administration did.

01:09:58.000 There's been a lot of really negative shit that's happened with the DEA breaking into these pot stores, putting fucking boots on kids' necks and taking.

01:10:07.000 Like, there was one that they did where they got caught doing all this because all the film was sent remotely to another location, like constantly.

01:10:14.000 It was kind of sent so no one could steal the hard drives.

01:10:16.000 The security cameras were still recording.

01:10:19.000 So you got to see them put their boots on this kid's neck, throw him to the ground.

01:10:23.000 Just a kid.

01:10:24.000 Just a young 20-year-old kid working in a place.

01:10:27.000 They stole all the money.

01:10:29.000 Just people being thugs.

01:10:30.000 They steal the money.

01:10:32.000 They know that these people aren't threats.

01:10:35.000 You see a 20-year-old college kid who's working there, and you got to do that.

01:10:38.000 That's not a national security threat.

01:10:39.000 And assume you've done an investigation.

01:10:41.000 You know who these people are.

01:10:42.000 You know who you're arresting.

01:10:43.000 And you got your boot on his neck all the time.

01:10:45.000 These are people who are trying to relax.

01:10:46.000 People are trying to find more healthy outlets for their anxiety or their uncertainty.

01:10:52.000 So the point is, there's probably going to be someone could easily bribe a politician to go hard on these things with the new administration in office.

01:11:02.000 If there was a big push by the pharmaceutical industry, it was a big push by the alcohol industry, big push by whatever prison guards, unions, whoever it needs to be that can grease the wheels to get them to be harder on marijuana.

01:11:14.000 It could conceivably happen.

01:11:16.000 The genie's not totally out of the bottle yet.

01:11:18.000 But I think that the chances of that happening are thankfully not that high because the cat's out of the bag.

01:11:24.000 The public knows that marijuana is not a bad thing now.

01:11:27.000 It's a good thing.

01:11:28.000 And that's a very hard thing To how can you outdo that at this point?

01:11:32.000 It doesn't matter how many Reaper Madnesses you put out, people have come to the conclusion that it's actually not bad for you.

01:11:38.000 Did you see Ann Coulter?

01:11:40.000 What about her?

01:11:40.000 She was on Pierce Morgan talking about Pot.

01:11:43.000 I'm sure she's against it.

01:11:44.000 Brian, put it on.

01:11:45.000 Ann Coulter on Piers Morgan talking about pot.

01:11:48.000 Not just against it.

01:11:49.000 She's so ridiculous.

01:11:51.000 It's so hilarious because, first of all, it's working, right?

01:11:54.000 We're talking about her.

01:11:55.000 So obviously her trolley.

01:11:57.000 People like that just want to stay in the media and they don't realize the real harm they're doing to the national discourse.

01:12:03.000 I agree with you so much.

01:12:04.000 She got you to mention her name just now and now she's going to get booked on another show because of this. 0.98

01:12:09.000 She'll be on the Today Show.

01:12:10.000 And that's great.

01:12:11.000 So she can sell more books.

01:12:13.000 But she's fucking over people who actually rely on what they see on TV and she's just fucking up the whole discourse. 1.00

01:12:20.000 You got it, Brian?

01:12:21.000 Five seconds.

01:12:22.000 Yeah, she's a terrible person. 0.91

01:12:25.000 I mean, what she's doing is for her own benefit.

01:12:28.000 And that trolling, when you have any worse.

01:12:32.000 Well, I suppose it's illegal.

01:12:33.000 So why is it illegal?

01:12:34.000 And cannabis illegal.

01:12:35.000 Well, I'm trying to answer, but as soon as I answer, you're going to interrupt me and say, no, it's not illegal.

01:12:39.000 What do you keep saying?

01:12:39.000 That's not true, but then explain why.

01:12:41.000 Well, I keep trying to and you keep interrupting.

01:12:43.000 Now I'm going to explain now.

01:12:44.000 So don't interrupt.

01:12:46.000 Look, the sole purpose for smoking pot or eating a pot brownie is to get high.

01:12:51.000 That is not true with alcohol.

01:12:53.000 People enjoy.

01:12:54.000 Okay, pause it right there.

01:12:55.000 She's wrong right there.

01:12:56.000 She's a crazy kind. 1.00

01:12:57.000 What does that mean?

01:12:59.000 Who drinks not to get drunk?

01:13:01.000 Yeah, I drink whiskey for the taste.

01:13:03.000 Imagine you fucking sitting around drinking whiskey.

01:13:06.000 Imagine if they came up with alcohol-free whiskey and they sold it in those big Arnold Palmer lemonade cans.

01:13:12.000 What are they doing?

01:13:13.000 They're drinking alcohol-free whiskey.

01:13:15.000 They're trying to do that with weed. 0.75

01:13:16.000 They're trying to give you the benefits without the high, like extract that and put it in a pill.

01:13:22.000 I think that would fuck people over.

01:13:23.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:13:25.000 They're actually, the scientific research behind that is to extract CBDs, and it's for pain.

01:13:30.000 It's for people that are under chronic pain that don't want to get high.

01:13:33.000 But okay, that's different.

01:13:34.000 My thinking was that they're kind of like, oh, you can use the medical benefits as long as you don't get high from it.

01:13:39.000 And I think that this is totally just my own perspective.

01:13:43.000 I really think that part of the medicinal property of marijuana is that it allows you to see things differently.

01:13:48.000 And I think there's much more of a connection between the mental and the physical than we're willing to accept in our Western society.

01:13:53.000 And I feel like most humans up until about 100 years ago took most of what I'm saying for granted.

01:13:58.000 Like, you remember reading books, like novels in the 1800s where somebody's sick and their doctor says, go live somewhere, like, go live in the countryside, you'll feel better.

01:14:07.000 And they would prescribe this shit.

01:14:08.000 It actually works because if you're less stressed out and you're in a better environment, you get better.

01:14:12.000 Your body knows what to do.

01:14:14.000 And we've totally like, we try to be so clinical with everything that we can't let somebody just get high and fucked up for a few hours and figure out their own shit.

01:14:21.000 It has to be very clinical.

01:14:23.000 You know, you can't actually feel something that's an altered state of consciousness.

01:14:26.000 Although I agree with you on that, I think the scientific principle or the scientific reasoning behind extracting CBDs is just so that people who have injuries can have pain medication that's natural and have it while they're at work.

01:14:39.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:14:40.000 Don't get fucked up or high.

01:14:41.000 I'm thinking of something else, then.

01:14:42.000 I got to use the bathroom myself.

01:14:43.000 Please do.

01:14:44.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with what you're saying because I think you're right in a lot of ways as well.

01:14:48.000 But I think that there's a bunch of reasons why they extract CBDs from cannabis.

01:14:54.000 It's not all that the man wants to keep you down.

01:14:57.000 So play this fucking wacky bitch. 1.00

01:14:59.000 Play her some more.

01:15:01.000 They're a 14-year-old going to cannabis.

01:15:04.000 Everybody drinks alcohol to get slightly higher than when they start drinking it.

01:15:07.000 Julie.

01:15:08.000 Piers Morgan.

01:15:08.000 That's the point of drinking alcohol.

01:15:09.000 Absolutely.

01:15:10.000 I have done TV after drinks.

01:15:12.000 I bet you you have to.

01:15:14.000 I'm trying to do it right now.

01:15:16.000 That would explain a lot of things.

01:15:18.000 Have you ever smoked pot?

01:15:19.000 Wait, would you please let me finish one sentence, Piers Morgan?

01:15:22.000 You're taking your sort of random pot.

01:15:24.000 People enjoy wine.

01:15:25.000 They drink wine for a purpose of remote.

01:15:27.000 $800 bottles of wine.

01:15:29.000 Perhaps you have a warm feeling.

01:15:30.000 It does not.

01:15:32.000 You can tell if somebody's been smoking pot.

01:15:34.000 Their eyes are red.

01:15:35.000 They giggle at everything.

01:15:35.000 And by the way, they're incapable of carrying on the normal functions of life.

01:15:38.000 Have you ever smoked pot?

01:15:39.000 No, I haven't.

01:15:40.000 Never in your life.

01:15:40.000 Hello, pause there, Rector.

01:15:42.000 How ridiculous is that?

01:15:43.000 They're incapable of carrying on the normal functions of life.

01:15:47.000 I do jiu-jitsu while I'm high.

01:15:49.000 I do comedy while I'm high.

01:15:50.000 I'm doing this podcast high.

01:15:52.000 I do almost every radio show I ever do, high.

01:15:55.000 The normal functions of life, like what?

01:15:57.000 We go to the movies high all the time.

01:15:59.000 Go to dinner high all the time.

01:16:01.000 Like, what is she talking about?

01:16:02.000 And what is she basing it off as?

01:16:04.000 Does she have one ex-boyfriend that's a pothead that she's basing potheads about? 1.00

01:16:08.000 Well, stop and think about that because she's dating, if that is the case, she's dating a guy who's willing to tolerate her. 0.90

01:16:15.000 So just imagine what kind of a fucking idiot he's going to be.

01:16:18.000 Oh, he couldn't, you know, he couldn't function.

01:16:21.000 Well, Jesus Christ, it was probably paralytic just being around your fucking shitbag personality.

01:16:27.000 Imagine that.

01:16:28.000 Imagine that woman. 1.00

01:16:28.000 That's your girlfriend. 1.00

01:16:30.000 Oh, he couldn't function in life.

01:16:31.000 So if it's that, or if it's her friends, like she says, she knows a lot of potheads.

01:16:35.000 She has potheads at her friends. 1.00

01:16:37.000 What she's doing is by just trolling like that. 1.00

01:16:41.000 See, that might have been okay, that kind of trolling that she did when she started doing it. 0.87

01:16:46.000 Because when she started doing it, she was trying to, we've got an alert coming up.

01:16:51.000 Some alert is on that thing.

01:16:53.000 When she started trolling like that, it was probably pre-internet, you know?

01:16:58.000 I mean, she was probably doing that shit way before. 1.00

01:17:01.000 The only way for her to get attention is a platform. 1.00

01:17:03.000 But now that she has a platform, she should use it for good instead of.

01:17:06.000 Exactly.

01:17:06.000 Well, stop being misinformation.

01:17:08.000 Stop being a silly bitch. 1.00

01:17:09.000 Like, you know, have a nuanced point of view.

01:17:12.000 Can you do that?

01:17:13.000 Can you not just be a right-wing fucking chatterboss?

01:17:16.000 Also, like, people like that who claim to be limited government and conservative.

01:17:21.000 Exactly.

01:17:21.000 It seems to me like they pretty much just want lower taxes.

01:17:24.000 Because if you really believed in limited government, how the fuck can the government tell you that you can't put something that's first of all safe into your own body, in the comfort and safety of your own fucking home when you're an American citizen and supposedly live in a free society?

01:17:37.000 You should be able to do that in some way.

01:17:38.000 Do I think it should be taxed and regulated?

01:17:40.000 Absolutely.

01:17:41.000 Keep it on the books.

01:17:41.000 Keep it safe.

01:17:42.000 But why shouldn't you be allowed to do that?

01:17:44.000 I'm sure she doesn't have a real argument against that, so it's only ad hominem.

01:17:48.000 It's, well, they're lazy.

01:17:50.000 And you're like, well, what about the Beatles?

01:17:51.000 Were they lazy?

01:17:52.000 What about Steve Jobs?

01:17:52.000 Is he lazy?

01:17:53.000 You know, you're just isolating one anecdotal fucking thing.

01:17:56.000 And that's not, I can make an argument against alcohol based on Some guy outside who's drunk in front of a liquor store, that doesn't mean you shouldn't go out drinking with your friends.

01:17:56.000 Exactly.

01:18:05.000 Well, not only that, look what she's using as an example. 1.00

01:18:07.000 She's talking about while you're in the bathroom, she was talking about, you know, you could drink it and have a warm feeling.

01:18:13.000 Like, come on.

01:18:15.000 So, what you're saying is you can't smoke just a little bit of pot and just relax a little.

01:18:20.000 You can't have a very mild pot candy.

01:18:22.000 There's a pot candy that Speedweed has.

01:18:25.000 It's goddamn perfect.

01:18:27.000 It's goddamn perfect.

01:18:28.000 You can have one and it's just a mild edge reducer.

01:18:32.000 Just mild, so mild.

01:18:34.000 Like, really, like, to play pool, I like to take two.

01:18:36.000 The hard candy ones?

01:18:37.000 Yeah, but one?

01:18:38.000 One is great.

01:18:40.000 It's like you don't feel perplexed.

01:18:42.000 You don't get bad.

01:18:43.000 Like, what were we talking about?

01:18:44.000 You don't get any of that.

01:18:45.000 It's a dosage issue.

01:18:46.000 It's the same thing with everything.

01:18:48.000 The idea that alcohol is more, you know, that you could easily underdose with alcohol and just have a warm feeling, but you can't do that with marijuana.

01:18:58.000 That's so foolish.

01:19:00.000 It's so dumb.

01:19:01.000 And it's so ignorant to human physiology.

01:19:04.000 It's so ignorant to all the different things that we use on a daily basis, where if you overuse them, they would fucking kill you.

01:19:12.000 I mean, there's a huge amount of medications that people take on a daily basis, where if they took 20 times more than they were supposed to take, they're dead.

01:19:20.000 You know, salt, 10 ounces of salt, you're a dead person.

01:19:24.000 Just in sleeping pills.

01:19:25.000 Yes, fuck yeah.

01:19:26.000 Tylenol PMs and Tylenol is apparently really bad for you.

01:19:30.000 If you drink, you should not take Tylenol.

01:19:32.000 I didn't know this until a couple years ago.

01:19:34.000 If you drink, you should not take Tylenol as your hangover cure.

01:19:37.000 You should take something like Advil because acetaminophen is really tough on your liver.

01:19:41.000 Oh, yeah, that stuff's not good for you.

01:19:43.000 I know a guy who takes, he takes, this is a crazy cocktail, but he takes Adderall, he takes Xanax, and he takes Ambien.

01:19:54.000 All of them prescribed by his doctor.

01:19:55.000 What is that about?

01:19:56.000 Exactly.

01:19:56.000 What is that about?

01:19:57.000 It's like, I'm going to speed myself up so I can slow myself down so I can relax.

01:20:00.000 Well, he speeds himself up, then apparently you get a little freaked out from that, so he needs something to relax, and that's where the Xanax comes in, but then he can't go to bed at night, so he needs the Ambien.

01:20:10.000 Pow, pow, pow!

01:20:11.000 I totally do that with coffee and alcohol, though.

01:20:13.000 Because what happens is you have like a meeting at 6 p.m., so you get all caffeinated, and then it's 6.45 and you're in your apartment, you're like, fuck, I need to chill out.

01:20:20.000 So you start drinking because you're so amped from the caffeine.

01:20:23.000 Well, I used to have a buddy that had a crack habit, and I used to go with him and go to the liquor store when he was fucked up and he wanted to calm down.

01:20:33.000 He would go to the liquor store and he would buy a 40-ounce just to bring his heart rate down.

01:20:37.000 And he would, yeah.

01:20:37.000 Wow.

01:20:40.000 He's healthy living right there.

01:20:41.000 No, he's dead.

01:20:42.000 Sorry about that.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, he died.

01:20:44.000 This is why I'm not a comedian, by the way.

01:20:46.000 No, I mean, look, I couldn't get upset at you for saying healthy living.

01:20:50.000 It's obviously not healthy.

01:20:52.000 He had a lot of drug problems, but he wound up dying because of it.

01:20:57.000 But just seeing him trying to calm down by drinking, pounding this 40-ounce of beer, just trying to get the alcohol into his bloodstream to just alleviate the crazy heartbeat that he had going on.

01:21:10.000 That's where the DEA and stuff like that is fucking up also, is that they've betrayed the trust of young people by lying to them about marijuana.

01:21:17.000 So as a result, there are probably people out there who are like, well, maybe meth's not that bad.

01:21:21.000 Maybe crack cocaine is not that bad because they completely lied to us on marijuana.

01:21:21.000 Exactly.

01:21:25.000 And I remember as a kid in middle school, they had a cop come to our classroom and give us the whole dare breakdown.

01:21:32.000 And he had a suitcase filled with like fake versions of drugs, like what they look like.

01:21:36.000 And I was thinking, even as a kid, I was like, how ridiculous is this?

01:21:39.000 Now I'm an expert on what all these drugs look like.

01:21:41.000 Before, I didn't know shit about half these things.

01:21:43.000 Now I'm like practically a drug dealer based on this fucking infomercial.

01:21:48.000 Like, here's all the stuff that you should never look for.

01:21:50.000 Don't look for this one.

01:21:51.000 It comes in this kind of bag.

01:21:52.000 You know, I'm like, what is this?

01:21:53.000 It's some kind of weird propaganda.

01:21:55.000 There's education in knowing what not to take.

01:21:58.000 As long as you're honest about it.

01:21:59.000 As long as you go, now this one is actually just a dried plant.

01:22:01.000 It grows all over the contiguous United States.

01:22:04.000 It's been used for thousands of years.

01:22:06.000 By the way, you just said contiguous.

01:22:07.000 I've never used that word ever.

01:22:09.000 Have you ever used contiguous?

01:22:10.000 Never.

01:22:10.000 Of course not.

01:22:11.000 It's a good word.

01:22:12.000 Thank you.

01:22:14.000 I read a lot of shit on my Kindle, and then certain words just get into my mind.

01:22:17.000 That's a good one.

01:22:18.000 And I'm like, I'm going to use this next time I feel like using it.

01:22:20.000 Rocket contiguous.

01:22:22.000 I hope you use it correctly.

01:22:24.000 Anyway, I'm sorry.

01:22:24.000 It's already being fact-checked.

01:22:26.000 You're right.

01:22:27.000 You're absolutely right.

01:22:29.000 If they said that, if they're honest about that, they're like, look, you shouldn't do this one because it's going to lower your motivation.

01:22:33.000 At least stay away from it until you get into college or until you get a job or whatever it is that you need to get.

01:22:38.000 You should avoid it if you want to be as motivated as possible.

01:22:41.000 If they said that, then I'd be like, okay, then I'll listen to you when it comes to stay away from the crack cocaine because it'll fuck up your life, which it will.

01:22:47.000 But you don't trust that person.

01:22:49.000 I have no trust for what they say.

01:22:50.000 Well, it also fucks up the relationship that people have to law enforcement.

01:22:54.000 It fucks up the relationship that people have to people in positions of authority that you legitimately need to protect you in a civilized society.

01:23:02.000 And that's what the cop should be.

01:23:04.000 Being a cop should be an honorable position that's very difficult to acquire.

01:23:08.000 It should be something that we really respect and we love and appreciate the people that are around us that are there to help us if some shit goes wrong, if some bad people are around, if some people are victimizing other people, if some people are breaking the law.

01:23:21.000 That should be a part of our society.

01:23:23.000 But when they become a DEA person and they're shooting someone's fucking dog because they got a plant growing in their house, I mean, how many of those goddamn videos you have to see before you realize there's a problem with the fact that these cops think they could just break into someone's house and shoot their fucking dog for nothing?

01:23:38.000 They shoot dogs that are behind dog gates barking, little tiny dogs.

01:23:41.000 They just shoot them.

01:23:42.000 They shoot them because they want to intimidate the fuck out of the people.

01:23:45.000 They want to let them know, look, I just shot your fucking dog.

01:23:47.000 You're going to start crying and I'm going to get what I want.

01:23:50.000 And it's part of the power trip.

01:23:51.000 It's part of the thing.

01:23:52.000 And it's part of what makes people distrust cops.

01:23:55.000 And that's fucked.

01:23:56.000 If cops didn't have to deal with these laws, if there wasn't laws that were unjust on the books, then this sort of behavior would never take place.

01:24:04.000 If you couldn't do that to someone, if you couldn't break down someone's door and fucking shoot their dog, if you could only go and arrest people who are committing crimes, our whole attitude, crimes that victimize people, our whole attitude about law enforcement would change.

01:24:19.000 It would make it better for them.

01:24:21.000 It would make it better for them.

01:24:22.000 They would become like firefighters.

01:24:24.000 It would become an integral part of our society that's absolutely necessary, except for the people that are fucking committing the crime, Which we don't want in the first place.

01:24:31.000 But it has to be real crime.

01:24:33.000 It has to be crime that creates victims.

01:24:35.000 Victimless crimes are horseshit.

01:24:37.000 Crimes against yourself, they're bullshit.

01:24:40.000 You can't stop a person from cutting off their own fucking finger.

01:24:43.000 Did you know that?

01:24:43.000 If you decided to go get a bolt cutter from fucking Home Depot, take it home, and hack off one of your fingers, no one can fucking stop you.

01:24:51.000 You go to the hospital and they say, what happened?

01:24:52.000 Oh, I cut my finger off of the bolt cutter.

01:24:54.000 They're not going to arrest you.

01:24:55.000 They're going to go, why'd you do that?

01:24:56.000 You're like, I fucking hate that finger.

01:24:57.000 They're going, all right.

01:24:58.000 Well, don't do that again, you idiot.

01:25:00.000 You're going to die.

01:25:01.000 You know, you got an infection.

01:25:02.000 Take these antibiotics and get out of the hospital.

01:25:04.000 But how come you can cut off your fucking finger?

01:25:06.000 But if you see a guy who likes to smoke pot, you can arrest him.

01:25:10.000 You can arrest him for what?

01:25:12.000 What's he doing?

01:25:12.000 He's doing something to his body that you don't agree?

01:25:15.000 Is that what it is?

01:25:16.000 Because there's no victims here.

01:25:17.000 Is there a victim?

01:25:18.000 Is the smoke going into the air and polluting our modern discourse?

01:25:22.000 Is it fucking taking paint off cars down the block?

01:25:25.000 No, it's not doing a goddamn thing.

01:25:27.000 There's no staff to do it.

01:25:28.000 There's no crime here.

01:25:29.000 There's no crime.

01:25:30.000 And that's where we have to make a distinction.

01:25:32.000 And the reason why, or one of the reasons why that distinction is very difficult to make, is because there's people that have made these laws and enforcing these laws a business.

01:25:41.000 There's a business not just in keeping prison guards in work, but keeping prisons filled and making sure that prisons generate income from bringing in prisoners.

01:25:53.000 So they make sure that laws are in place that absolutely ensure that they're going to have new people in there every year because people are going to keep breaking these laws because they're laws that are ridiculous.

01:26:03.000 They're laws that have been in place since the beginning of time.

01:26:05.000 And those laws, they're about 30% of the people that are in prison.

01:26:11.000 That's what's so fucked up about it.

01:26:12.000 Do you think that these laws, these anti-psychedelic and anti-marijuana laws, are actually like a form of society's immune system kind of going overboard?

01:26:22.000 Like I think about how some of the most brilliant people seem to have some kind of interaction with drugs at some point in their lives, whether it be Steve Jobs with the acid trips or, you know, pretty much any musician with weed or any writer with weed.

01:26:36.000 Any comedian with weed.

01:26:37.000 Yeah, okay, any comedian.

01:26:39.000 It unlocks a lot of potential that otherwise wouldn't be there for people.

01:26:43.000 And it shows you the world in a different way, especially if you do something that's even stronger, like a psychedelic.

01:26:49.000 It's showing you something that's almost like root access to a computer, where it gives you a lot more power.

01:26:53.000 But for most people, you don't want root access.

01:26:55.000 You just want them to have their, you know, their web browser, and that's it, and you don't want them fucking stuff up.

01:26:59.000 I wonder if society as a whole is the kind of unconscious thing that goes on.

01:27:03.000 It's like, this is really powerful stuff.

01:27:05.000 So we'll allow some people to have access to it.

01:27:07.000 But we can't just let the whole society go Timothy Leary, you know, tune in, tune out, whatever his thing was, because what we'll have as a result is completely uncharted waters that we haven't been to before.

01:27:18.000 And there are people really afraid of that happening.

01:27:20.000 Well, I think if you have to look where are these laws coming from, are the laws coming from really educated philosophers and scholars who have examined?

01:27:31.000 No, no, these laws are coming from people who are doing a lot of fear-mongering.

01:27:34.000 You remember all the shit that Ronald Reagan was saying back in the day?

01:27:38.000 Well, it turns out that marijuana may be one of the most damaging drugs known to Maine.

01:27:44.000 The most dangerous.

01:27:46.000 You know, it's that kind of shit.

01:27:48.000 Those are the people.

01:27:49.000 People like this and Cultur Twat.

01:27:50.000 Let's finish listening to this because it's so fucking ridiculous.

01:27:53.000 Play it more.

01:27:55.000 So how do you know what it does?

01:27:57.000 Because I'm around potheads.

01:27:58.000 More than many of my best friends are potheads.

01:28:00.000 Potheed, a lot of them.

01:28:03.000 Maybe Bill Maher.

01:28:04.000 Look, potheads can still get the pot. 1.00

01:28:06.000 They're probably self-medicating.

01:28:08.000 But the more people who take it, and if it is made legal, vastly more people will take it.

01:28:12.000 And it will be a disaster for commerce.

01:28:14.000 Disaster for commerce.

01:28:15.000 Because potheads are incapable of following simple instructions and getting a job done. 0.99

01:28:19.000 I used to carry on.

01:28:20.000 at Piers Morgan's body language he's like this fucking awful person that I have to interview he's awful too yeah he got fine What do you mean by that?

01:28:30.000 Was when I moved to a new place in California and there was a pool and the pool guy didn't, you know, I come back and it's four feet down and it's covered with green mold and I called him up.

01:28:40.000 He was a pothead.

01:28:41.000 Oh, I was there that day.

01:28:42.000 You know how silly that is?

01:28:44.000 I want to talk about anecdotal evidence.

01:28:46.000 She met a pool guy who was a pothead who didn't clean her pool. 0.77

01:28:50.000 So therefore, what a selfish cunt. 1.00

01:28:52.000 Therefore, what a self-centered cunt, by the way. 1.00

01:28:54.000 $800 bottle of wine.

01:28:55.000 She's talking about $800 bottles of wine.

01:28:57.000 And then she talks about how her pool guy couldn't do his job because he was high on pot.

01:29:01.000 It's my argument.

01:29:03.000 Let me try and stop the stream of consciousness.

01:29:05.000 Anything done with a pod head.

01:29:09.000 Everyone knows what a pothead is.

01:29:11.000 What does it mean?

01:29:11.000 It's not smoking pot one time.

01:29:13.000 Look, so how much are you assuming a pothead takes?

01:29:17.000 Enough so that it can be made fun of on TV by the way.

01:29:20.000 But she's promoting an area that's not a problem. 0.99

01:29:21.000 It's like a heavy drinker.

01:29:23.000 Or a heavy smoker.

01:29:24.000 No heavy smokers work all night and then die young saving the Social Security system money.

01:29:30.000 For commerce, commercial purposes, for the purposes of the good of the country, we ought to encourage Americans to smoke like mad. 0.64

01:29:36.000 They'd be incredibly productive.

01:29:38.000 What you're seeing, ladies and gentlemen, what you're seeing right now is a human who's screaming for a psychedelic intervention.

01:29:45.000 If we could get Ann Coulter into a jungle retreat in Peru and force feed ayahuasca with one of those things they use for fagua when they stuff like a goose filled with grain to make their liver fat and delicious, if we could do that with her with ayahuasca, 0.80

01:30:02.000 just pin their nose and their mouth, just pin it together, hold on to it, force it down, hold it in there, make sure her body absorbs it, and then they'll throw up and then let this bitch go on a wild ride on the feathered snake and come back. 1.00

01:30:17.000 She just needs dick too, probably. 1.00

01:30:19.000 She needs dick too for sure. 1.00

01:30:20.000 Well, you know what she needs? 1.00

01:30:21.000 She needs dick that actually wants to fuck her. 1.00

01:30:23.000 She probably can get some dick, but it's probably a mess. 1.00

01:30:25.000 They're both drunk and, you know, his breath smells.

01:30:28.000 Some weird Fox News producer just on top of her. 0.95

01:30:32.000 Sweating.

01:30:32.000 Stinky feet with his fucking slippery socks on.

01:30:35.000 The whole thing's a mess.

01:30:36.000 I'm sure it's disgusting.

01:30:38.000 She's a gross human being. 1.00

01:30:38.000 She's gross. 1.00

01:30:40.000 Not just gross, like with, you know, she's just not an ugly woman. 1.00

01:30:44.000 She's not my favorite.

01:30:46.000 But her personality is gross. 1.00

01:30:48.000 It's just so insensitive and aggressive and egomaniacal.

01:30:52.000 Like what she's saying is so preposterous and so obviously obviously trolling.

01:30:58.000 That's what she's doing.

01:31:01.000 Fucking dumb cup.

01:31:02.000 She's the master troll of the day. 0.98

01:31:03.000 You see the new Godzilla trailer?

01:31:05.000 Yeah, let's play a little bit more of this in case there was more things to yell at and then we'll play that.

01:31:08.000 Because that's so much more awesome than her.

01:31:10.000 It's not alcoholic.

01:31:11.000 His prohibition.

01:31:12.000 Heavy drinkers were the problem.

01:31:13.000 Once the cat is out of the bad, you can't put it back in.

01:31:15.000 Yeah, but here's the problem.

01:31:15.000 That was the problem.

01:31:16.000 But she was not that.

01:31:17.000 Again, to pick up where I was in the middle of my sentence, but during prohibition.

01:31:20.000 She was not that, is it?

01:31:22.000 During prohibition, every alcohol-related disease, cirrhosis of the liver accidents as a result of alcohol, went down precipitously.

01:31:30.000 It will go up.

01:31:31.000 We will have lots.

01:31:32.000 This is how many potheads we have when it's illegal. 1.00

01:31:35.000 I think that's just about enough.

01:31:36.000 Let me ask you.

01:31:37.000 Nobody has ever overdosed on cannabis.

01:31:40.000 Did you know that?

01:31:40.000 So what?

01:31:41.000 They can't perform daily functions.

01:31:43.000 They're going to be on my tax bail.

01:31:45.000 Do you accept that people die of smoking?

01:31:47.000 You accept that people are going to overdose on too much algorithm.

01:31:49.000 Well, everybody dies eventually.

01:31:52.000 Well, you just contradicted yourself, you dummy.

01:31:54.000 And do you encourage cigarette smoking on national television?

01:31:58.000 What she's doing right there is just being a silly person.

01:32:01.000 What she's doing right there is purposely trolling. 1.00

01:32:04.000 What she's doing right there is just trying to get attention and holding on to an argument that doesn't have any basis in logical thinking.

01:32:10.000 Her argument is just about her trying to get her point over.

01:32:14.000 She's just a shitty example of a person who's allowed to talk. 1.00

01:32:17.000 That's what it is.

01:32:20.000 You shouldn't be given that sort of a platform if that's the kind of thing that you do.

01:32:23.000 Because it's so obvious she's not a thinker.

01:32:25.000 What she's doing is she has an ideology and she pushes that ideology at the expense of all the contradictory evidence.

01:32:33.000 No matter what.

01:32:34.000 She's talking about fucking alcohol being okay, cigarettes being okay, marijuana being bad. 0.96

01:32:38.000 They're going to be on my tax bill is her concern.

01:32:42.000 I'm not on your tax bill.

01:32:42.000 Well, guess what, Hooker?

01:32:44.000 There you go.

01:32:45.000 I smoke pot.

01:32:45.000 It's a dumb thing to say.

01:32:47.000 It's just the fucking Nancy Grace thing. 1.00

01:32:50.000 They're all lazy potters. 0.71

01:32:52.000 Look at you, fat so.

01:32:55.000 Are you a fucking maniac mountain climber?

01:32:58.000 Is that you running 100 miles every morning?

01:33:00.000 You're fucking lazy.

01:33:01.000 You're a lazy bitch. 1.00

01:33:02.000 You're a lazy fat-faced bitch. 1.00

01:33:04.000 Okay?

01:33:05.000 There's a bunch of lazy dummies out there talking shit about pot. 1.00

01:33:09.000 It's not pot.

01:33:11.000 And can pot make you lazy?

01:33:13.000 Well, it can relax you.

01:33:15.000 And if you have a tendency to want to not do things, pot will definitely accentuate that tendency.

01:33:21.000 But being lazy is a state of mind.

01:33:25.000 It's what you decide, the direction you decide to pursue your life.

01:33:30.000 I'm not lazy because of marijuana.

01:33:32.000 I am more introspective.

01:33:34.000 And oftentimes I get more done because of marijuana because I have more interests.

01:33:38.000 It's just we have these perceptions and we have these stereotypes that have been reinforced in movies and we have these ideas and we have these ideas that are coming from a person who clearly doesn't smoke pot.

01:33:51.000 Clearly she's not eating pot cookies and exploring her consciousness.

01:33:55.000 I don't believe in any kind of media laws, but I almost feel like there should be a law where if you're going to talk about a subject this big, you actually have to have first-hand experience.

01:34:03.000 So if you're talking about marijuana is harmful, you must have actually used it yourself more than once before you can talk about it in that manner.

01:34:10.000 If you're talking about Bitcoin, you actually have to have used it at least once.

01:34:14.000 If you're talking about anything, if you're talking about being unemployed, you have to have been unemployed at some point or at least interview somebody who's unemployed now and not just pontificate, which is what so many people do.

01:34:23.000 I agree to a certain extent.

01:34:25.000 I think the marijuana thing is it's also troubling the format in which they're communicating in.

01:34:32.000 These goddamn formats, these television formats, are so, and I didn't realize it when I was younger, but now after four years of podcasting, I'm so aware of what the difference is and communicating like that and communicating like this.

01:34:46.000 Like when you do jiu-jitsu, like say if you're really good at jiu-jitsu and you roll with someone who's just really strong, you roll with a guy who's like a really good athlete.

01:34:56.000 It takes you a while to get them, but you're going to get them.

01:34:58.000 It's just going to take a while.

01:35:00.000 Like if someone doesn't know jiu-jitsu, but they're really strong, you might not be able to hold on to them.

01:35:03.000 They might throw you off them.

01:35:04.000 But eventually they're going to get tired of doing that because they're doing it the wrong way and you're going to get them.

01:35:09.000 When Ann Coulter is on a Pierce Morgan show, she could say a bunch of crazy shit because she knows the commercial's coming in seven minutes. 1.00

01:35:15.000 She can start this ridiculous argument that's completely circuitous.

01:35:18.000 It doesn't have an ending to it.

01:35:20.000 And there's going to be an interruption.

01:35:22.000 We'll be right back.

01:35:23.000 And then they're going to cut the commercial and they're going to come back and she's going to babble some more so she can sprint.

01:35:28.000 It's just like a fight where you sprint in between rounds.

01:35:31.000 You sprint and then in between rounds you relax and then you come back with some other fucking inane argument in the next round.

01:35:36.000 And that's what she's doing.

01:35:38.000 But if you got her on a podcast for three hours, I would Brian dunning her.

01:35:42.000 I would do exactly what I did to that guy.

01:35:43.000 You just talk to them and allow them to express themselves until you reveal how ridiculous they are.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, if she were here, she wouldn't be able to do an intellectual hit and run where you throw out like this huge character attack against weed smokers and then it's over. 1.00

01:35:56.000 Exactly.

01:35:56.000 I would let her talk.

01:35:57.000 I would let her talk.

01:35:58.000 I have hours to kill.

01:36:00.000 Let's go.

01:36:00.000 Come on, get to it.

01:36:02.000 And after a while, you're going to get tired.

01:36:03.000 You're going to get tired.

01:36:04.000 You're going to get tired of saying nonsense.

01:36:06.000 You're going to get tired of sprinting with nonsense.

01:36:08.000 And then slowly but surely, we will compile facts and slowly but surely we will present you with examples of people who use it, who are healthy, and who benefit from it.

01:36:19.000 And I'll tell you my own personal story.

01:36:20.000 I benefit from it.

01:36:21.000 And then we can compare.

01:36:22.000 And you can tell me if you think that Eddie Bravo is lazy.

01:36:27.000 You think that one of the best jiu-jitsu instructors in the country, the first American to ever tap a Gracie.

01:36:32.000 You think he's lazy?

01:36:33.000 Reminds me of Phillips.

01:36:34.000 I guess Michael Fox.

01:36:35.000 Oh, you think he's lazy?

01:36:36.000 You know, just stop and think about all the comedians we know that smoke weed, that fucking constantly travel across the country, that constantly writing and performing.

01:36:43.000 Are they lazy, Ann?

01:36:45.000 No, you're lazy thinking.

01:36:47.000 And in saying that, you're lazy.

01:36:48.000 And if that's the type of discourse that you pursue, if that's what you're trying to do, if that's what you're trying, that's a lazy way of being a human being.

01:36:56.000 That's a lazy way of operating an incredibly complex neural system.

01:37:00.000 That's a lazy way of being a functioning human being who is given this incredible position of communicating with the world.

01:37:07.000 Because you have responsibilities when you're communicating with the world.

01:37:10.000 And one of those responsibilities is to express yourself to the best of your abilities, to look at life through the...

01:37:18.000 Sorry.

01:37:19.000 Express yourself to the best of your abilities.

01:37:22.000 To look at life through the most nuanced and objective perspective.

01:37:26.000 Because you're going to say some things that are going to influence a lot of fucking people.

01:37:30.000 How much have you looked at it?

01:37:32.000 Well, in her case, obviously, not so fucking much.

01:37:34.000 Her pool guy.

01:37:35.000 She talks to the pool.

01:37:36.000 I came back and the pool was green.

01:37:38.000 Oh, you fucking poor baby. 0.94

01:37:40.000 You poor baby.

01:37:41.000 Was your pool green?

01:37:42.000 How do you go on?

01:37:44.000 How would you go on?

01:37:46.000 There's a lot of beautiful people that smoke marijuana, beautiful spiritually, beautiful personality-wise.

01:37:53.000 There's a lot of lazy people that smoke marijuana.

01:37:55.000 There's a lot of lazy people who don't smoke marijuana.

01:37:58.000 There's a lot of lazy people who drink coffee.

01:38:00.000 It's a tool, like any other tool.

01:38:03.000 It can be used or it can be abused.

01:38:06.000 You know, it's like my old joke from one of my bits.

01:38:09.000 You could build a house with marijuana.

01:38:11.000 You know, you could smoke pot and use it to design things.

01:38:15.000 But it's just like a hammer.

01:38:17.000 You could build a deck with a hammer.

01:38:19.000 You could hit nails with a hammer.

01:38:20.000 Or you could hit yourself in the dick if you're fucking crazy.

01:38:22.000 It doesn't mean the hammer should be illegal.

01:38:24.000 You could design furniture on marijuana.

01:38:27.000 You could build a fucking airplane on marijuana.

01:38:30.000 There's a lot of things you could do while you're on marijuana.

01:38:32.000 You can write a novel on marijuana, which has been done many times.

01:38:34.000 Stephen King wrote almost all his shit.

01:38:36.000 He used a lot of Coke, too.

01:38:37.000 It's probably a bad example.

01:38:39.000 Stephen King on writing with a bad thing.

01:38:40.000 It's a mixed example.

01:38:41.000 Not exactly.

01:38:42.000 It's a mixed. 0.71

01:38:42.000 Yeah, look, people should be able to do whatever they want to do as long as they're not hurting others. 0.71

01:38:48.000 If you're taking marijuana and you wind up becoming a fucking rapist, if there was, okay, let's not say marijuana.

01:38:53.000 What if there's a cactus flower that people found in New Mexico and for some reason it makes you a rapist?

01:38:58.000 Like everybody who takes it becomes like a rape zombie.

01:39:00.000 Yeah, they should probably make that fucking thing illegal.

01:39:03.000 You start eating people's faces in Miami.

01:39:05.000 That should be illegal.

01:39:06.000 Yeah.

01:39:07.000 Well, you know what's funny about that?

01:39:08.000 That was what they started saying was marijuana.

01:39:11.000 The guy was the zombie that they said they tested him and he tested positive for marijuana.

01:39:14.000 That was the only drug.

01:39:15.000 He didn't test positive for bath salts.

01:39:17.000 That's with all the stories.

01:39:18.000 But this is how piss poor the media is.

01:39:20.000 And when you're giving out these five to seven minute blurbs on information, well, why didn't it test positive for bath salts?

01:39:28.000 Because there's no test for bath salts, you fuckhead.

01:39:30.000 They don't have a test.

01:39:32.000 That's interesting.

01:39:32.000 So they're just making this shit up.

01:39:33.000 Well, what is bath salts?

01:39:35.000 What are bath salts?

01:39:36.000 Well, they could be a variety of different compounds.

01:39:38.000 That's true, just a media term for this boogeyman drug.

01:39:41.000 Well, what these boogeyman drugs are is you take an illegal drug, you alter it so that it's no longer illegal, but it still has ridiculous effects on the human body, and then you sell it as not for human consumption.

01:39:50.000 It's not just one simple formula.

01:39:53.000 They don't just take meth and add phosphorus to it.

01:39:55.000 I mean, there's a bunch of different versions of these bath salts.

01:39:58.000 So if you're saying that he didn't test positive for bath salts, you're right and you're wrong.

01:40:02.000 You're right.

01:40:03.000 He didn't test positive.

01:40:04.000 But the reason is they don't have a test for it.

01:40:06.000 So of course he didn't test positive for bath salts.

01:40:09.000 You send a test through a lab.

01:40:10.000 They're going to test for a bunch of different shit.

01:40:12.000 They're going to look for, you know, cocaine.

01:40:14.000 They're going to look for alcohol.

01:40:15.000 They have a spectrum that they look for things in.

01:40:18.000 Unless you specifically tell them what kind of bass salts, they're not going to look for that.

01:40:22.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.000 It's not going to be what, you know.

01:40:24.000 It's not going to come up with a check mark next to bath salts.

01:40:26.000 So they tried to blame it on marijuana.

01:40:28.000 Say this guy smoked pot and ate a guy's face.

01:40:30.000 This happens sometimes.

01:40:31.000 Sometimes I'm like, I want in and out and then I want somebody's face.

01:40:34.000 What they don't realize is how attractive they made weed after that.

01:40:37.000 Because people go, I want the fucking zombie weed.

01:40:40.000 I want that weed that made the dude eat a dude's face.

01:40:42.000 Zombie Kush.

01:40:43.000 That guy might not be able to handle it because he's a crazy homeless fuck.

01:40:46.000 But if you give that, you know, zombie face-eating weed to a regular dude.

01:40:50.000 He had mad munchies. 1.00

01:40:51.000 Yeah, he couldn't even take it anymore.

01:40:53.000 Get this dummy off the air.

01:40:55.000 And I say dummy with all due respect.

01:40:57.000 No need to have her on anymore.

01:40:59.000 I feel bad for her.

01:41:00.000 I honestly do.

01:41:02.000 I feel bad for the viewers.

01:41:03.000 That's going out to people's homes.

01:41:04.000 These toxins are being pumped into your living room.

01:41:07.000 She's a middle-aged woman.

01:41:08.000 She's not going to get any better.

01:41:09.000 It's not going to get any smarter.

01:41:11.000 What she is is what she is.

01:41:12.000 I feel bad.

01:41:14.000 You've lived your life and accumulated information and had life experiences, and this is the result.

01:41:18.000 This is who you are.

01:41:19.000 That's a disaster.

01:41:20.000 That's an attention-seeking missile.

01:41:22.000 Just a disaster that's destroying lives along the way with its fucking shitty personality.

01:41:28.000 It's just so unfortunate.

01:41:30.000 It's unfortunate for her.

01:41:32.000 It's unfortunate for people that listen and don't realize how ridiculous her opinions really are when you look at the actual facts themselves.

01:41:41.000 The anti-marijuana rhetoric.

01:41:43.000 It's so stupid.

01:41:45.000 Yeah, there's definitely problems with people using marijuana, but there's problems with people that use toothpaste.

01:41:50.000 There's problems with people using glue.

01:41:52.000 They take glue and they sniff it and they go fucking crazy.

01:41:54.000 People are nuts, man.

01:41:56.000 There's 7 billion of us on this planet, and there's a certain percentage of us that can't handle anything.

01:42:00.000 Why?

01:42:01.000 Because they were raised poor.

01:42:03.000 Because in a poor manner, shitty, I should say.

01:42:06.000 Because their genetics are poor.

01:42:08.000 Because they have birth defects.

01:42:10.000 Because there's environmental hazards.

01:42:12.000 Because they have diseases.

01:42:13.000 Because fill in the life experiences.

01:42:16.000 Fill in traumatic childhood incidences.

01:42:19.000 Fill it in for why they're fucked up. 0.95

01:42:19.000 Fill it in. 0.95

01:42:21.000 But a human being is a very complex puzzle that doesn't always come together correctly.

01:42:27.000 It just doesn't.

01:42:28.000 There's a lot of factors that have to do, you know, that have to fall into place to make a David Seaman.

01:42:33.000 To make a guy who can come on a podcast and be articulate and express information and have all this stuff in his head.

01:42:38.000 You have to have a lot of factors in place.

01:42:40.000 It doesn't always work out that way.

01:42:42.000 It's one of the beautiful things about running across a guy like you or across anyone who's got their shit together because it's not easy.

01:42:49.000 Are you in your podcast just attracting a million listeners and building up something?

01:42:53.000 You didn't do this with a network backing it.

01:42:55.000 It was just your own thing and it grew over time.

01:42:58.000 We also didn't do it trying to do it.

01:43:01.000 I think that's part of the, you know, when we had these discussions, there was nobody listening.

01:43:05.000 So we just expressed our thoughts and it allows you, you know, a platform to explore.

01:43:11.000 But these like five-minute blurbs where people run on and start arguments on television just to try to get people to buy their book.

01:43:21.000 That's silent movies, man.

01:43:22.000 That's some old shit that doesn't work anymore.

01:43:24.000 The world is complicated.

01:43:26.000 And a five-minute conversation on a very complex issue that has a massive social impact, massive, both positive and negative.

01:43:35.000 Like everything, like every fucking good thing in this life, driving has a positive and negative effect.

01:43:41.000 I am not going to stop driving.

01:43:43.000 I like being able to get somewhere quicker than walking.

01:43:45.000 But driving kills people.

01:43:47.000 There's car accidents.

01:43:48.000 You're breathing in brake dust if you live in a fucking city.

01:43:50.000 Forget about the pollution from the engines.

01:43:52.000 There's no free lunch.

01:43:54.000 Everything has a plus and a minus.

01:43:57.000 But it's our job as human beings to have a balanced approach.

01:44:02.000 And here's what's not good: suppressing and making something illegal that's beneficial to millions of people.

01:44:09.000 And if there's any lesson to be learned from prohibition, it's the rise of organized crime.

01:44:14.000 Because when you turn regular people into criminals, the criminals are going to provide those regular people with drugs, and it's going to be untaxed, unregulated.

01:44:24.000 And then they just corrupt the officials, and the whole thing becomes its own little environment, and it gets entrenched.

01:44:24.000 Definitely.

01:44:30.000 And that's what you have, is now you have powerful cartels that want to keep it illegal so they can continue to make money off of it. 0.68

01:44:37.000 Yeah, and I don't really hate Ann Coulter.

01:44:39.000 I have nothing against that woman. 1.00

01:44:40.000 I feel bad for her.

01:44:41.000 I feel bad that she's that person now.

01:44:42.000 I really do.

01:44:44.000 I feel bad for anybody that's in that position because that's such an for a person who has experienced life through as much of an objective lens as you can, and you see a person like that, that's not a person who's at their best.

01:44:59.000 That's not a person who has done a lot of soul searching and a lot of thinking and has come to this really peaceful, loving conclusion.

01:45:06.000 That's a silly person.

01:45:08.000 That silly person has to be themselves and live with their own nightmares every night.

01:45:11.000 That's not fun.

01:45:13.000 She's not having a fun life. 0.81

01:45:14.000 When you were talking about how we lived in a fucked up world and people do crazy stuff and things are mixed, I wrote this article the other day that a lot of my readers didn't like, but I think it's one of the better things I've ever written.

01:45:26.000 And it's where I take this angle where I'm like, what if President Obama is right about most of this stuff?

01:45:31.000 He's doing a lot of stuff that is arguably not constitutional.

01:45:35.000 However, there are 7 billion people on the planet.

01:45:38.000 A lot of them are driven by hateful ideology in certain parts of the world.

01:45:42.000 And in a nuclear age, it only takes one of them.

01:45:45.000 It doesn't even take a nuke.

01:45:46.000 It takes another 9-11.

01:45:50.000 I guess going from anculture to 9-11 is natural, but I can start to see the other side of the whole argument.

01:45:56.000 And I think you have to be able to do that if you're doing the kind of work that I do, is I have to see where people like General Keith Alexander are coming from, which is the argument that we can't, sorry that we're looking for your text messages.

01:46:07.000 That sucks.

01:46:08.000 Boohoo.

01:46:09.000 But we're not going to allow another 9-11 to happen because we don't want to have 3,000 innocent people die and have the economy crash and have total chaos for the next five years.

01:46:18.000 And so I can see things in that light.

01:46:19.000 And I wrote this article coming from that place of, you know, he's kept us safe.

01:46:23.000 And I realize that's a total Bush era argument.

01:46:26.000 And it's the kind of thing that I normally despise.

01:46:28.000 But you have to be willing to explore that and explore the fact that it's the year 2014 now.

01:46:34.000 He's been in office since January 2009.

01:46:37.000 And you have these fearmongers and the alternative media, people who I don't want to diss because I do their shows and they do mine.

01:46:44.000 But, you know, people like Alex Jones, basically, where it's fucking 2014.

01:46:49.000 Like, if what you're saying is true, why are you not in a gulag somewhere?

01:46:51.000 Why aren't you in a fucking dungeon tower being tortured by Homeland Security?

01:46:56.000 Well, for one thing, he's easily dismissed because he's so crazy.

01:46:59.000 I mean, you could pull up a million videos of him screaming and ranting and raving, and you just dismiss him right away.

01:47:04.000 But my point, though, is like Obama is not the boogeyman that he's been made out to be.

01:47:08.000 I think that what he is, is somebody who's trying to do the best they can within an extremely fucked up and flawed and pieced together system that is dealing with like 15 different entities at once.

01:47:19.000 You know, like whenever the DEA breaks in somebody's door, that's not because Obama is like sitting in the White House on his iPad and he's like, oh yeah, let's go to this guy's house, right?

01:47:28.000 Like he's got other things on his mind.

01:47:30.000 And yet we link all this to Obama and we should instead be trying to modernize the whole fucking system so that Obama has less to do.

01:47:36.000 Well, I think there's a very good point in that.

01:47:37.000 And I agree with you on looking at the other perspective.

01:47:41.000 I think that's very important.

01:47:42.000 And people are very reluctant to do that.

01:47:44.000 People are very reluctant.

01:47:45.000 It's one of the hardest things to do.

01:47:46.000 It was hard for me to write this article because I'm like, fuck, I'm like defending everything that I don't believe in.

01:47:50.000 But you're not.

01:47:51.000 You're exploring an idea.

01:47:52.000 And I think you should be allowed to explore an idea.

01:47:54.000 I think it's important to be able to explore an idea.

01:47:56.000 And people on the left or people that are anti-war or and rightly so, they would reject that instantaneously.

01:48:05.000 But I think that to get to know it, you really have to explore it.

01:48:08.000 I think to look at the holes in the argument, even to look at it from an offensive point of view, you have to explore it and look at it from their point of view to understand them.

01:48:19.000 I think that I would agree with you in a lot of ways that Obama has one of the most thankless jobs ever.

01:48:26.000 And it's an unbelievably fucked up situation to try to deal with.

01:48:30.000 However, he's lied about things.

01:48:32.000 And I have issues with that.

01:48:34.000 I have issue with the lying about the NSA collecting only metadata.

01:48:38.000 I mean, how long did he think that that was going to stay a lie?

01:48:41.000 I mean, or that that was going to sit out there before people found out.

01:48:44.000 I mean, people exposed that that was not true within days.

01:48:49.000 There's a new one that's out today.

01:48:50.000 I wrote down don't go negative, but there's a new NSA Snowden document that the NSA and the GCHQ, which is the British version of it, I guess the British government's NSA pretty much.

01:49:03.000 They have this whole procedural thing for how to go after activists that they don't like and harass them using troll identities.

01:49:10.000 Like literally, there are slideshows showing how NSA agents troll people they don't like online and destroy their credibility and reputations.

01:49:18.000 That's so crazy.

01:49:18.000 And this is shit that even a week ago to say this would be like kind of out there.

01:49:22.000 Because sure, like maybe governments troll people, but you can't say with authority like the U.S. government and the British government are trolling people they don't like.

01:49:29.000 Now we know that this is a fact and that's something that needs to be reined in because that's not because we're paying for this craziness.

01:49:37.000 We're paying for some anti-social sociopaths to get a paycheck every two weeks from the federal government to fucking do crazy stuff on the internet. 1.00

01:49:44.000 It's so funny, man.

01:49:45.000 It's so funny.

01:49:47.000 It's just hilarious that they've I mean think about what is the lowest form of life.

01:49:50.000 I want that job by the way.

01:49:51.000 What's the lowest form of life on online?

01:49:54.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 Troll.

01:49:55.000 And that's what the government does.

01:49:57.000 They fucking troll.

01:49:59.000 I mean it's hilarious.

01:50:01.000 And it only works if you pay attention.

01:50:03.000 But you know, if there's enough people working for the government that are trying to discredit you, I'm sure they could put a good dent in public perception of you.

01:50:11.000 Why would they?

01:50:11.000 That's not what you're supposed to be doing if you're a fucking government.

01:50:14.000 All right.

01:50:15.000 You're supposed to being a government is like one of the things, it's sort of in a lot of ways like what you shouldn't do when you argue with trolls online.

01:50:24.000 Like you shouldn't do that because, you know, you just got to accept the fact that you're in an unusual position.

01:50:29.000 Well, the government's in an unusual position, too.

01:50:32.000 Obama should have been a good thing.

01:50:32.000 They're going to deal with that.

01:50:33.000 He was basically getting trolled by Snowden for a little while.

01:50:36.000 Like I was watching this, and I was like, it's absolutely ridiculous for a U.S. president to be lowering himself to the level of a 29-year-old freelance contractor for some defense company.

01:50:46.000 How was he in what way was he getting trolled by Obama?

01:50:49.000 By addressing the issue and making it seem like Snowden's the problem.

01:50:52.000 What it should have been is immediately, the second this shit came out, if I were one of Obama's advisors, I would suggest just be honest with you.

01:51:00.000 Be like, it looks like some stuff went overboard.

01:51:03.000 There were some things that should not have been occurring.

01:51:05.000 I'll put an end to it.

01:51:06.000 We'll appoint a panel to look into it.

01:51:08.000 It's not what America's about.

01:51:10.000 And we went overboard because we didn't want to see another 9-11 happen. 0.93

01:51:13.000 And so, of course, some programs crop up over time to keep you safe.

01:51:16.000 And some of the shit is unconstitutional.

01:51:18.000 We'll fix it.

01:51:19.000 And most people, I'd say like 99.99% of people, including myself, would have been like, you know what?

01:51:24.000 Job well done.

01:51:25.000 You know, we don't need to fixate on this fucking thing.

01:51:29.000 Instead, it was like a manhunt.

01:51:30.000 It's like the plane was forced to the ground somewhere to search for Snowden.

01:51:34.000 And it's been in the news for months.

01:51:36.000 Like, what is this?

01:51:37.000 It's ridiculous.

01:51:38.000 Well, it's also what did he do that's so terrible.

01:51:42.000 He released information about crimes.

01:51:44.000 Yeah.

01:51:44.000 I mean, if you look at what is law, what is law in this country?

01:51:48.000 Well, there are laws and there are precedents that have been set.

01:51:51.000 Way back to when the founding fathers had no idea we're ever going to have a fucking internet, they had certain laws that were in place in order to make sure that people's rights are protected and that the government doesn't get out of hand, that law enforcement doesn't get out of hand because people who have ultimate power, it corrupts them.

01:52:08.000 It's just, it always has.

01:52:09.000 It's had since the beginning of time.

01:52:11.000 Whether it's a fucking security guard at a mall or whether it's a president of the United States, power is a corrupting thing.

01:52:17.000 And there's laws in place.

01:52:20.000 They circumvented those laws.

01:52:22.000 They changed those laws.

01:52:23.000 They passed things like the NDAA.

01:52:25.000 They passed things like the Patriot Act.

01:52:26.000 They passed all these things to make laws that are in place to protect people's rights invalid, make the Fourth Amendment invalid.

01:52:33.000 And so then they feel justified by doing what is essentially a crime.

01:52:38.000 Well, a guy comes out and says, hey, a crime is being committed on 300 million people in this country and multiple millions worldwide by a group of Americans who didn't get a license to do this by any voting, by any court of public opinion.

01:52:55.000 These are unelected officials.

01:52:57.000 By scholars?

01:52:58.000 This is Bob Smith in suburban Virginia.

01:53:00.000 Exactly.

01:53:02.000 They just have the power to do so.

01:53:04.000 So because they have the power to do so, they acted on it, and that's a crime.

01:53:07.000 That is a crime.

01:53:08.000 We have laws.

01:53:09.000 So what Snowden did was calling him a traitor is one of the most disgusting labels you could ever label a guy who took his own life and sacrificed his safety and his security in order to enlighten millions of people that a crime is going on.

01:53:26.000 I mean, he's a modern Paul Revere times a million.

01:53:29.000 I agree that guy is.

01:53:30.000 I agree.

01:53:31.000 And he had a nice life in Hawaii.

01:53:32.000 He had the dancer girlfriend and he's making good money for a 29-year-old.

01:53:37.000 Now he's under the fucking crosshairs.

01:53:40.000 He's in the crosshairs now.

01:53:42.000 He didn't have to do that.

01:53:43.000 He made a choice and he's definitely not an attention seeker.

01:53:46.000 Don't think Putin's not hooking him up though.

01:53:48.000 You think he's hooking him up with some Russian pods? 0.78

01:53:50.000 Googley, moogly.

01:53:52.000 Russian chicks. 0.83

01:53:52.000 Russian chicks are probably way hotter than that chick he was banging in Hawaii. 0.83

01:53:56.000 He's probably got some evil Russian liver-stealing chicks. 1.00

01:54:00.000 You fuck them and you get all groggy and you wake up in the middle of the shit.

01:54:02.000 You wake up in a hostel with stitches in a tub filled with ice.

01:54:06.000 I don't know.

01:54:07.000 I mean, I don't know what's really going on with him.

01:54:09.000 But if I had a guess, I think they take care of him.

01:54:13.000 I think he's probably okay.

01:54:15.000 Well, think about it.

01:54:18.000 If it were a Russian Snowden and he came to the U.S., we would totally hook him up. 0.99

01:54:22.000 We'd make him the head of NASA.

01:54:23.000 Yeah, the U.S. government would be singing his praises every day.

01:54:26.000 It's kind of creepy when you realize that that does happen.

01:54:28.000 They do steal like scientists and they steal like a- The U.S. is one of the major superpowers, and we're in this dystopian novel right now where everybody's spying on everybody else.

01:54:39.000 We have satellites.

01:54:41.000 I think the U.S. is the least evil of the superpowers by far and the most promising one.

01:54:45.000 But we should still hold ourselves to the highest standard.

01:54:48.000 We shouldn't be vicious about it.

01:54:50.000 I think there's just a lot of incompetence.

01:54:51.000 I think that's a lot of what leads to these evil decisions and evil behaviors.

01:54:55.000 Well, think about how this stuff is.

01:54:57.000 Think about how this stuff is getting out.

01:54:58.000 These lame PowerPoint slides.

01:55:00.000 It feels like something from the office.

01:55:02.000 The bullet points are like, go after the activists, damage their credibility.

01:55:06.000 Bring it up.

01:55:07.000 Search for on Tech Dirt.

01:55:10.000 That's the website.

01:55:11.000 Tech Dirt.

01:55:11.000 Some tech blog.

01:55:13.000 And one of their top articles right now is about the NSA thing.

01:55:16.000 They have the actual slides.

01:55:17.000 Oh, no.

01:55:18.000 You got to see some of these because it's so like, it's just the combination of evil and mundaness that is just weird, you know, because it's people making these things and people making these policies.

01:55:29.000 And it's just incredibly vicious stuff.

01:55:32.000 That's so hilarious.

01:55:33.000 It really is hilarious, man.

01:55:35.000 It's just, it's hilarious how incompetent they are in a lot of ways.

01:55:38.000 It's almost like it's on purpose.

01:55:40.000 It's almost like the whole thing is being done on purpose.

01:55:42.000 Well, maybe they're not incompetent.

01:55:43.000 I was thinking about this too, how the government puts across this image like, oh, we're just a bunch of bumbling morons.

01:55:49.000 We shut down the government because we couldn't agree to something.

01:55:52.000 We don't know what's going on.

01:55:53.000 And meanwhile, you have the NSA has these protocols for harassing people.

01:55:57.000 Like, we're very smart at some level.

01:55:59.000 Like, we know those are the slides.

01:56:03.000 That's so funny.

01:56:05.000 Leak confidential information to companies, the press via blogs, etc.

01:56:11.000 Post negative information on appropriate forums.

01:56:14.000 Appropriate forums.

01:56:16.000 Stop deals.

01:56:17.000 Ruin business relationships.

01:56:21.000 Set up a honey trap.

01:56:23.000 Look at that.

01:56:24.000 Set up a honey trap.

01:56:25.000 What are you going to do?

01:56:27.000 It sounds like the stuff they did to Assange.

01:56:28.000 Yeah.

01:56:29.000 I mean, damage credibility, hook him up with a girl. 0.63

01:56:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:32.000 Well, what exactly did happen with Assange?

01:56:34.000 I mean, for folks who don't realize, he's not in...

01:56:43.000 Some South American embassy?

01:56:44.000 Yeah, some South American embassy.

01:56:45.000 I should know, but I forget.

01:56:46.000 I should know too.

01:56:47.000 But he's not there because of what he did by leaking all that information.

01:56:52.000 In fact, that's not really a crime that you could get a guy on.

01:56:56.000 I mean, it's just, it's not the same kind of crime.

01:56:58.000 The reason why they've Got him held hostage is because they say that he had secret or surprise sex with a woman, which means he had sex with her while they were wearing a condom.

01:57:09.000 She agreed to it, and then while they're in bed afterwards, I guess they're both naked and he stuck it in without a condom.

01:57:15.000 He pulled the creeper switcheroo.

01:57:17.000 And that's surprise sex.

01:57:18.000 I guess that's what I'm saying.

01:57:19.000 That doesn't even sound like a real thing.

01:57:21.000 Like, how is that?

01:57:22.000 Well, it doesn't sound like a real thing that requires international attention.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, no, I mean, like, how does that require being on the books, surprise sex?

01:57:30.000 I don't know, man.

01:57:32.000 It's confusing as fuck that that could actually be something that they could hold a guy in an embassy for how many years now?

01:57:41.000 It's been there for more than a year.

01:57:42.000 It's a long time.

01:57:43.000 It's got to be kind of like trying to be in the same place.

01:57:45.000 Oh, it's got to be brutal.

01:57:47.000 It'd probably drive you fucking crazy.

01:57:49.000 It probably will.

01:57:50.000 It probably really will drive you fucking crazy.

01:57:53.000 That poor bastard.

01:57:54.000 That guy's stuck.

01:57:55.000 He's stuck there, and he probably will die there.

01:57:58.000 They'll probably make sure he dies there.

01:58:00.000 I mean, that could be crazy if he's there like 20 years from now, 30 years from now.

01:58:04.000 I think some president will probably pardon him or something.

01:58:08.000 You think so?

01:58:08.000 It would have to be way, way, way in the future for that to really be.

01:58:12.000 President Snowden in like 2045, but President Miley.

01:58:16.000 President Miley Cyrus.

01:58:17.000 President Miley in two years.

01:58:20.000 Or no, she's got to be, what, like 45 years old or something.

01:58:22.000 Yeah, you've got to be in your 30s with like 36, isn't it?

01:58:25.000 To be president, something like that?

01:58:26.000 Something like that.

01:58:28.000 It just hurts.

01:58:29.000 It just hurts.

01:58:30.000 It just hurts that it's that transparent.

01:58:32.000 It hurts that we're that bad.

01:58:33.000 That after all these years of human civilization, all these years since the printing press, all these years since newspapers, all these years since television, now all these years of the internet, it's still that transparent.

01:58:45.000 It's still that ridiculous.

01:58:46.000 I got to tell you, though, like, I've been thinking lately about seeing those images from Ukraine of all these people bloody. 0.99

01:58:53.000 And they went total, like completely off the civilization map, just chaos, burning stuff, brother against brother, like really dark shit over there.

01:59:03.000 And they threw out their president, I believe.

01:59:07.000 And he's on the run or something.

01:59:09.000 But it makes me wonder, like, maybe some of this stuff that we sense as being really oppressive is necessary for society to just hold together.

01:59:18.000 Like, if we didn't have the occasional situation where the government comes down hard on somebody, that things would just slowly disintegrate and we would get to a place where you walk into FedEx and nobody wants to check you out because there's not enough of this kind of cohesive societal thing.

01:59:35.000 Well, that's like sort of the thinking that there has to be a yin and a yang.

01:59:39.000 There has to be a good and an evil.

01:59:40.000 There has to be suppression and this desire to escape suppression in order to create momentum and energy.

01:59:46.000 In order to enthusiastically encourage innovation, you have to be fighting against something.

01:59:52.000 You have to be battling against something.

01:59:54.000 Yeah, it's almost like to discover freedom, you have to face a little bit of oppression.

01:59:58.000 Yeah, there's a lot of thinking behind that, that that's sort of the way the universe works, and that there's hunters and then there's prey.

02:00:04.000 You know, there's lions and then there's gazelles, and that this is just sort of the way the world works.

02:00:09.000 In order for the gazelles to stay alive and keep breeding, they have to realize there's a lion coming after them.

02:00:14.000 Because if there was, you know, gazelles could just hang out and live in one spot, they'd probably eat themselves silly. 0.72

02:00:19.000 They'd fuck so much there'd be too many of them.

02:00:21.000 Then they'd all die of starvation.

02:00:22.000 There would be no food left.

02:00:23.000 I mean, it's almost like you need both.

02:00:26.000 You need a good and a bad.

02:00:27.000 You need a night and a day.

02:00:28.000 You need a winter and a summer.

02:00:30.000 You need a whole fucking lot of different things to come into play.

02:00:33.000 Yeah.

02:00:33.000 Well, that's what I'm starting to think is I'm kind of evolving my views on this stuff because I think that government serves as a kind of immune system against shit like what happened in Ukraine and what's happening in parts of South America now where people are just losing it and you can't let that happen.

02:00:50.000 You just can't, you know, because the results, you don't know where it ends.

02:00:52.000 And it seems like at least the example with Egypt, it ends in a bad place. 0.95

02:00:56.000 You go from something that really sucks to something that's unimaginably worse and even more oppressive because you can only go from oppression to chaos to more oppression.

02:01:04.000 It's very rare.

02:01:05.000 What the United States did with our founding and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, these are very rare things that don't happen all that often.

02:01:12.000 But it's interesting that we don't realize, we didn't observe and learn from what did we try to escape and what did we pull off in trying to escape.

02:01:22.000 But what we pulled off is the greatest startup civilization the world has ever known.

02:01:27.000 I mean, without a doubt, there's never been a time in human history where within 300 years less of a country being formed has become the dominant superpower on earth.

02:01:39.000 Not just in a Roman sort of a way, not in a Genghis Khan sort of a way, but in a truly global way.

02:01:45.000 And now, we find out is spying on everybody as well.

02:01:49.000 Has missiles all over the world, sending drones into places we're not supposed to invade.

02:01:53.000 So we send flying robots to do our dirty work for us.

02:01:57.000 I mean, it's the most insane dictatorship or the most insane government, rather, I shouldn't say dictatorship, but it kind of is.

02:02:05.000 If you look at the rest of the world, they would think us as dictators dominating them.

02:02:09.000 Well, we occupy a unique space.

02:02:11.000 It's really the, you know, you read about this shit, the Pox Americana and all that stuff.

02:02:15.000 Like, we've imposed a worldwide peace.

02:02:18.000 I realize I'm using the word peace, even though there are people dying in certain areas, but it's essentially peace through force, and we've established that.

02:02:24.000 And I don't want to say that that's all bad because I think it's provided a lot of stability and a lot of innovation for millions of people.

02:02:32.000 Well, it's not all bad.

02:02:33.000 Nothing is all bad, but it's a lot of bad.

02:02:36.000 But what I was going to say is that what we have become in this most insane empire ever, it's all born out of trying to escape suppression.

02:02:46.000 And we tried to establish these parameters that would avoid suppression in this place.

02:02:51.000 And those parameters allowed people to be free to do a lot of things they weren't able to do in other countries.

02:02:57.000 Free to set up homesteads and build houses and fucking farm and make cities that just don't exist anywhere in the fucking world.

02:03:07.000 Why did New York City arise in America?

02:03:09.000 Because there wasn't another fucking country like us when New York City was first formed.

02:03:13.000 There was nothing like us.

02:03:14.000 And everybody flocked here from all over the fucking planet, knowing that this is the free spot.

02:03:19.000 This is where my parents' family came from.

02:03:22.000 They all came from Italy and they came from Ireland where it sucked. 1.00

02:03:25.000 And they got on boats.

02:03:27.000 They didn't even know what the fuck was on the other end because there was no internet back then.

02:03:30.000 And they just fucking took a chance.

02:03:32.000 And those gangster motherfuckers created this incredible place where they were trying to escape a shit life. 1.00

02:03:38.000 So what do we do?

02:03:39.000 We shit up this life too.

02:03:41.000 We impose the same bullshit that we were scared of or they were scared of when they formed America. 0.83

02:03:48.000 We just fucking ignore it.

02:03:50.000 We ignore what our founding fathers warned us about.

02:03:53.000 We think we're smarter than that.

02:03:55.000 Well, you know, it benefits me if I take away the Fourth Amendment. 0.53

02:03:58.000 So fuck you. 0.68

02:04:00.000 I'm just some fat guy who eats meat and takes Prozac and I've decided I'm going to change the law.

02:04:04.000 Yeah.

02:04:06.000 It is kind of funny that we've, in some ways, become what we run from.

02:04:10.000 It's like that Greek myth where the king is given the prophecy that his son one day will grow up to kill him.

02:04:17.000 And so he exiles his son to some like distant land.

02:04:20.000 And in so doing, he eventually assures his own death because they're in a battle or something and the son kills his father, not realizing that it's his father.

02:04:28.000 And if he had actually just lived in the kingdom for his whole life, he, of course, would not kill his own dad.

02:04:33.000 But it was that very action of trying to prevent his fate that made it occur.

02:04:37.000 Yeah, creating enemies.

02:04:39.000 Creating enemies out of fear.

02:04:41.000 Being afraid of people, so you create an enemy and then you create someone that you should be afraid of.

02:04:46.000 And now we're droning people and creating new enemies.

02:04:48.000 Oh, I mean, not just droning people, but the latest revelation that we're not just droning people, but we're using metadata to find out where their phones are and sending missiles to where their phones are.

02:05:00.000 Especially when it's been absolutely shown that al-Qaeda and the Taliban, they switch SIM cards back and forth and move them around all the time so that people can't clock where the phone is connected.

02:05:13.000 Is it connected to this Al Jazeera guy?

02:05:15.000 Is it connected to Al-Halawaha?

02:05:17.000 Who knows?

02:05:18.000 It's fucking SIM cards floating around.

02:05:20.000 Who knows who's got what?

02:05:21.000 But they decide that it's okay to shoot missiles to where the phone is.

02:05:26.000 I mean, that's some incredibly evil shit.

02:05:29.000 That's insanely evil.

02:05:31.000 The idea that it's more important to kill this guy than it is to not kill all the innocent people around him.

02:05:38.000 Wow.

02:05:39.000 They probably turned on his camera, though, and they're listening first.

02:05:41.000 You know, like, oh, nope, that's him.

02:05:44.000 I can hear his voice.

02:05:45.000 Not according to the NSA documents.

02:05:47.000 They don't have any corroborating evidence outside of the metadata.

02:05:50.000 Wow.

02:05:51.000 They just knew where the phone was.

02:05:51.000 Yeah.

02:05:53.000 They sent a rocket there.

02:05:54.000 Boom.

02:05:55.000 A lot of these guys also use phones that you can take the...

02:06:03.000 Like, they never use iPhones or HTC ones.

02:06:06.000 They use phones where you could always take the battery out because the NSA and whatever government organizations fill in the blank.

02:06:14.000 The Mussad, fucking the MI5 or MIT. 0.81

02:06:18.000 They all, at this point in time, if you're a bad guy, they have the capability of listening into your phone calls.

02:06:23.000 They also have the capability of turning on your cameras.

02:06:25.000 So they use specific phones that don't have, that also, you could remove battery, so they don't have a power source.

02:06:32.000 And they'll cover their phone, you know, cameras, the front-facing camera, and all kinds of other shit, too.

02:06:37.000 So they work around all that kind of stuff.

02:06:41.000 They're not stupid to what technology allows the enemy or their enemy to do.

02:06:46.000 But the metadata thing is just so crazy.

02:06:49.000 The idea that you found out where the phone is, so you send a missile to where that phone is.

02:06:53.000 I mean, I could sort of kind of see if it's Godzilla.

02:06:59.000 You know where Godzilla's phone is?

02:07:02.000 Yeah, I'd say just to be sure, send a missile that way.

02:07:06.000 I still have trouble believing that they're just killing people on the metadata because I would like to think that there's somebody within these agencies who's like, wait a second, we got to actually have some kind of probable cause here before we end somebody's life.

02:07:20.000 Yeah, it would be nice to think that, but the issue is that you're dealing with people who are so accustomed to making decisions that cost people millions of lives.

02:07:27.000 I mean, or, you know, over course of time, millions of lives, thousands of lives, dozens of lives, whatever it is.

02:07:33.000 The loss of life.

02:07:34.000 They're so accustomed to making those decisions.

02:07:37.000 One of the things that came out of the WikiLeaks that was so disturbing was the collateral murder video where they were talking about shooting those missiles into the van and that there were children there.

02:07:51.000 And the guy was like, fuck them.

02:07:52.000 You know, they shouldn't have brought their kids.

02:07:54.000 Remember that?

02:07:55.000 Yeah, I do.

02:07:56.000 Wikileaks is another example where if they had just come out on day one and said, okay, this organization has surfaced some shit that is really unacceptable.

02:08:05.000 We're going to investigate it.

02:08:06.000 We're going to make sure it doesn't happen again.

02:08:08.000 Thank you very much.

02:08:09.000 That would have been the end of it.

02:08:10.000 This whole thing with Julian Assange and the embassy and WikiLeaks becoming this globally prominent whatever it is, like this alternative media organization, would not have happened at all if the U.S. government on day one had just said, okay, thanks for bringing this stuff to our attention.

02:08:24.000 It will not happen again.

02:08:25.000 Yeah, but they don't want it to not happen again.

02:08:27.000 They want it to continue happening.

02:08:28.000 But they don't want to make sure that they...

02:08:35.000 Well, now they know.

02:08:36.000 I mean, now they know.

02:08:37.000 Now they know because of that.

02:08:38.000 Now they know because of Snowden.

02:08:40.000 I mean, now they know.

02:08:40.000 But it was uncharted territory.

02:08:42.000 But the point I was making is, you know, saying that they wouldn't shoot missiles to where the metadata is because they're worried about innocent civilians and casualties.

02:08:52.000 Well, you clearly look at that video and you could say, at least in this certain circumstance, there is a very flippant attitude about the loss of collateral lives, collateral damage.

02:09:02.000 And it's children they're talking about.

02:09:03.000 They shouldn't have brought their kids.

02:09:04.000 Like, okay, really?

02:09:06.000 Is that where we're at?

02:09:07.000 We're the good guys.

02:09:08.000 And they shouldn't have brought their kids.

02:09:10.000 And that's the attitude.

02:09:11.000 Not, oh my God, did we kill kids?

02:09:13.000 There's not that attitude.

02:09:14.000 Yeah, it's pretty dehumanized.

02:09:15.000 It's unbelievably dehumanized.

02:09:17.000 And you want to talk about innocent?

02:09:19.000 Guess what?

02:09:20.000 There's no one more innocent than children.

02:09:22.000 They didn't choose to be there.

02:09:23.000 They didn't choose to be born there.

02:09:25.000 They didn't choose to have those parents.

02:09:26.000 They didn't choose to be led by their little tiny hands into the fucking car seat in a van where you're going to shoot with hellfire missiles because you thought a reporter was an assassin.

02:09:35.000 You know, I mean, it's all a mistake.

02:09:37.000 And their attitude is, hey, we shouldn't have brought their kids.

02:09:41.000 That leads me to believe that there are people out there in the world who are willing to shoot missiles to where the phone is.

02:09:48.000 It's so weird that with Vietnam, they went through all this stuff, like the slow realization that we're maybe not supposed to be there and that innocent people are being killed and there's no purpose for this. 0.65

02:09:59.000 Like we came To that realization with Vietnam, and it seems like a lot of the same stuff is happening now. 0.99

02:10:04.000 And we're going through the same bullshit where you have to listen to people on TV tell you that you know we got to support the troops, we can't question anything.

02:10:11.000 We've already been there, like that all happened in the Vietnam War, and then eventually people just fell out of that narrative and they realized it was bullshit.

02:10:17.000 And now, today, it's still considered something where you can't just say that the wars are complete bullshit.

02:10:22.000 Well, the best story about all this, or the most ridiculous but yet true, is that both the Vietnam War and the Afghanistan War, a big part of what's going on is they're profiting from illegal drugs. 0.54

02:10:34.000 I mean, that was the heroin.

02:10:35.000 Yeah, well, heroin.

02:10:35.000 How do you think?

02:10:37.000 I mean, it was a big part of what was going on in Vietnam.

02:10:40.000 It was a big part of the whole golden triangle.

02:10:43.000 I mean, the amount of money that was moved in heroin during the Vietnam era is documented.

02:10:51.000 I mean, it's documented that there were soldiers that were involved that were profiting.

02:10:54.000 What was that movie with Denzel Washington where he played a famous drug dealer that went to China and he had a friend or one of his buddies was a Vietnam soldier.

02:11:09.000 And it was based on a true story about how he became a big-time drug dealer.

02:11:16.000 American gangster.

02:11:17.000 American gangster.

02:11:18.000 Yeah, that was it.

02:11:19.000 Great fucking movie.

02:11:20.000 I saw that movie.

02:11:21.000 It was good.

02:11:21.000 Much like what's going on in Afghanistan now, if you brought it up back then, hey, a big reason, a big motivation for the Vietnam War is a secret drug-running organization.

02:11:30.000 They'd be like, get out of here, you fucking crackpot.

02:11:33.000 That's the same thing they say today.

02:11:34.000 But today it's even more blatant and in your face when Geraldo Rivera is interviewing troops that are guarding poppy fields.

02:11:40.000 Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

02:11:43.000 What?

02:11:44.000 What are you doing?

02:11:45.000 Well, we need the information from these people on where the Taliban is, so we're going to guard their poppy fields. 0.99

02:11:50.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:51.000 No one's making any money off this, though, right?

02:11:51.000 Okay.

02:11:54.000 Get the fuck out of here.

02:11:54.000 Yeah.

02:11:56.000 Whoever it is that's profiting on by whatever method, whatever avenue they're profiting, they find some sort of a justification for it.

02:12:04.000 But make no mistake about it.

02:12:05.000 Part of the motivation why we're there is that money.

02:12:08.000 That has a factor.

02:12:09.000 I don't know what factor it is.

02:12:10.000 Is it more or less valuable than the trillions of dollars in minerals they've discovered?

02:12:15.000 Is it more or less valuable than the natural gas that Russia and the United States were duking it out over during the time of the Mujahideen?

02:12:23.000 Is it more or less?

02:12:24.000 But it's a factor.

02:12:24.000 I don't know.

02:12:25.000 It's unquestionably a factor.

02:12:27.000 The amount of heroin production in Afghanistan since the U.S. occupation is up like 90% or something fucking crazy.

02:12:34.000 It's through the roof.

02:12:35.000 So this is just the unreported story.

02:12:38.000 It's facts.

02:12:39.000 I mean, these are facts.

02:12:40.000 Stone cold facts.

02:12:41.000 No, when I say unreported, I'm not saying that this shit's not true.

02:12:44.000 What I'm saying is like this is the stuff that people don't see on Fox and Friends is the poppy fields. 0.98

02:12:51.000 It's kind of interesting that we watch Fox or MSNBC and some kind of academic will talk about Obama's performance.

02:12:59.000 You know, like, oh, as if Obama is just this country politician who we can just sit there and review him.

02:13:05.000 But he's really this incredibly powerful near emperor of what you just talked about, this technological and military empire.

02:13:12.000 And so it's kind of absurd, I think, for us to still think that he's this constitutionally bound president.

02:13:18.000 I mean, he's spying on all these people.

02:13:20.000 We've got military actions all over the world.

02:13:22.000 Like, we need to consider the fact that we are not living in a pre-9-11 world anymore.

02:13:28.000 Yeah, the opium production, it's ramped up 49% from 2012.

02:13:36.000 It goes up all the time.

02:13:38.000 It's just going up and up.

02:13:39.000 Sounds like the business to be in.

02:13:41.000 Yeah, it's way better than Bitcoin right now.

02:13:42.000 Out of Bitcoin, into poppy seeds.

02:13:45.000 It's incredible.

02:13:46.000 If you look at, if just Google the amount that heroin has jumped up.

02:13:53.000 Oh my God, it's up by 50% in the last year.

02:13:57.000 This is the most recent January of 2014.

02:14:00.000 That's from Newsweek, by the way.

02:14:01.000 That's crazy.

02:14:03.000 From Newsweek, their drug output is up 50% in the last year.

02:14:08.000 And since the American takeover, since American Occupation, let me Google that.

02:14:13.000 American occupation.

02:14:15.000 It's fucking crazy.

02:14:18.000 That's some nutty number.

02:14:21.000 Oh, God.

02:14:21.000 It's just so sad because it's so obvious.

02:14:24.000 It's so in our face, you know?

02:14:28.000 Do you think that the world gets better?

02:14:29.000 I think I asked you this last time, but from here, I feel like things have to get better and they're already getting better.

02:14:35.000 They're definitely better.

02:14:36.000 But I think what we were getting at earlier is really important, that the yin and the yang is almost necessary in order for things to get done.

02:14:45.000 And it seems to be almost a natural part of the universe.

02:14:49.000 I think this is the greatest time ever to be alive.

02:14:51.000 I really do.

02:14:52.000 But I think every time was the greatest time ever to be alive at that time.

02:14:56.000 You know, just not everywhere.

02:14:58.000 If you live in Africa right now, if you're in Liberia right now, it fucking sucks. 1.00

02:15:03.000 This is a sucky time to be alive.

02:15:05.000 You know, if you live in Somalia and you have to be a pirate because all the Europeans have dumped nuclear waste off your shores and killed all the fish, it's a sucky time to be alive. 0.76

02:15:13.000 You're basically living in a Mad Max movie.

02:15:15.000 You're living in the apocalypse.

02:15:16.000 You're a bunch of skinny guys on CAT, that fucking, that narcotic that they chew leaves to get.

02:15:21.000 Amphetamine.

02:15:22.000 Ma-mao.

02:15:23.000 Not meow-mao.

02:15:24.000 No, it's called CAT.

02:15:25.000 K-H-A-T. 1.00

02:15:26.000 It's a type of amphetamine that they get from plants, and they chew it.

02:15:31.000 They get whacked out of their fucking mind, and they get machine guns, and they get in rowboats, and they go take over fucking oil tankers and kidnap people.

02:15:37.000 It's the worst combination of things ever.

02:15:39.000 It's the worst combination of things ever.

02:15:41.000 And, you know, for them, it's a terrible time to be alive.

02:15:44.000 But for us, here in Los Angeles, chilling, drinking fucking C2O coconut water, smoking God's greatest weed, sitting here using laptops and on a super powerful internet connection connected to a million people in the world, it's awesome.

02:15:59.000 It's an awesome time to be alive.

02:16:01.000 And I love America and I love the internet.

02:16:01.000 It is.

02:16:04.000 And that's part of the reason why I'm so obsessed with all the shit I talk about is that these are really cool tools that we've put out into the world.

02:16:10.000 And it kind of pains me to see us fucking it up, right?

02:16:13.000 Like we created the internet and it's truly amazing.

02:16:15.000 It's a game changer.

02:16:17.000 And now we've weaponized it.

02:16:18.000 That's the phrase they use.

02:16:19.000 Well, that thing that you just showed.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, we're using it to harass innocent people.

02:16:23.000 Yeah.

02:16:23.000 Discredit them, ruin their business.

02:16:25.000 People, I'm going to get this argument a million times now that I've talked about that, which is, well, aren't companies doing that aren't individuals trolling?

02:16:32.000 And I'm like, it's really different when the government is using your tax dollars that you send them every year and they're using that to psychologically harass you or to harass the journalists that you listen to.

02:16:42.000 It's really different from some fucking weirdo doing it or some greedy company doing it because they want to just protect their little domain.

02:16:48.000 Right.

02:16:49.000 But those companies that do do it, they're fully shitty as well.

02:16:51.000 You should avoid them.

02:16:52.000 They're shitty.

02:16:54.000 If you're saying negative things about the competition and you're making them up and you're trolling and you're trying to kill their business, you're a shithead.

02:17:01.000 I mean, that's reality.

02:17:03.000 You know, there's a thing that's been going on with us, with one of the guys that we've had on the podcast several times, a guy named Dave Asprey, who I don't hate.

02:17:12.000 I like the guy.

02:17:13.000 I think he's a good guy.

02:17:14.000 I think he's flawed like a lot of human beings.

02:17:16.000 I'm flawed as well.

02:17:18.000 But he's exaggerated and said some things on the show that have turned out to bite us in the ass.

02:17:23.000 And I sort of started investigating it because he started making claims about my friend Tate's business.

02:17:31.000 Tate and him were going to go into business together.

02:17:34.000 For whatever reason, they had a falling out.

02:17:35.000 So Tate decided to start selling his own coffee.

02:17:39.000 Dave Asprey sells a bunch of things.

02:17:40.000 He sells good products.

02:17:42.000 He sells good coffee, a bunch of other different health and nutrition products.

02:17:47.000 Nothing wrong with what he's selling.

02:17:48.000 But he starts shitting on Tate's stuff.

02:17:50.000 He called it inferior quality without any testing whatsoever.

02:17:53.000 And then he also called it a knockoff.

02:17:55.000 He was talking about his MCT oil that he sells.

02:17:57.000 Well, here's a problem with that.

02:17:58.000 Several problems.

02:17:59.000 One problem being that Dave Asprey doesn't make MCT oil.

02:18:02.000 He buys it.

02:18:03.000 There's a company that they buy and they sell it to a bunch of different companies.

02:18:08.000 My friend Larry used to be in the nutrition business, and he owned a company called Nature's Purist, very good company.

02:18:15.000 And he told me exactly how it all works.

02:18:17.000 And he told me how he buys from the same suppliers that all these other people buy from.

02:18:22.000 Like there's only a limited amount of suppliers that make vitamin D, that make MCT oil, that make all these different things.

02:18:28.000 You buy it from them, you try to buy it from the most reputable supplier, and then you package it yourself and label it yourself.

02:18:33.000 That's what Dave does.

02:18:34.000 And that's what Tate did too.

02:18:36.000 And so Dave is calling Tate's stuff inferior without any testing whatsoever.

02:18:39.000 That's a propensity for bullshitting.

02:18:41.000 And so I saw that and I was like, what the fuck is that, man?

02:18:44.000 You can't do that.

02:18:44.000 You can't just say that because I know where you get your shit.

02:18:47.000 I know the company that makes your stuff.

02:18:48.000 So you can't just say that his stuff is inferior.

02:18:51.000 You don't know where he buys it.

02:18:52.000 You don't know what testing he's done.

02:18:54.000 You don't know.

02:18:55.000 In fact, Tate even went out of the way to make his MCTO to try to improve what he thought Dave was doing by selling it in glass bottles because he felt like plastic can leach.

02:19:04.000 It can leach chemicals if it's in the heat.

02:19:07.000 It's very conscientious the way he did it.

02:19:08.000 What was not so conscientious was that he kind of copied Dave's business model.

02:19:12.000 He copied Dave's claims about mycotoxins and all these different things.

02:19:17.000 So then he goes and tests Dave's coffee and then tests his coffee as well.

02:19:21.000 Well, Dave's coffee turns out to test positive for mycotoxins.

02:19:25.000 Under threshold, below threshold of two different mycotoxins, which means you're not going to affect you.

02:19:29.000 It's not going to physically affect you.

02:19:31.000 But his whole claim to fame was that there's a real issue with mycotoxins in coffee.

02:19:35.000 He's developed a process that eliminates them.

02:19:37.000 Every other coffee could be tainted.

02:19:39.000 That was his number one thing.

02:19:40.000 It's like classic government shit.

02:19:42.000 Create a problem and then offer a solution.

02:19:44.000 So I, you know, parrot his words, not doing any research, you know, and having him on the podcast.

02:19:50.000 He's a very smart guy, very knowledgeable, it seems.

02:19:53.000 So we repeat his words about mycotoxins and coffee.

02:19:56.000 So Tate, when he does this test and finds out that Dave's stuff actually has mycotoxins and Tate's, which has gone through none of this super secret process, he's just done the standard wet processing that all high-level single-source coffee companies do.

02:20:11.000 Tate, you know, he goes, well, what the fuck, man?

02:20:13.000 You know, this guy's shit has some mycotoxins.

02:20:16.000 Mine doesn't.

02:20:17.000 Like, what exactly is going on here?

02:20:19.000 So we sell his coffee at Onit.

02:20:21.000 We sell the bulletproof coffee at Onit or upgraded coffee, Asprey's coffee.

02:20:25.000 So we decide to test that and Tate's and Starbucks and some random coffee from Whole Foods.

02:20:34.000 None of them test positive for mycotoxins.

02:20:37.000 So that's an issue that's not really present.

02:20:39.000 It's not a fucking issue.

02:20:40.000 But we've been parroting it and saying that it becomes this huge thing, saying that it's an issue, saying that it's a huge health issue.

02:20:50.000 But every coffee expert you read online thinks it's bullshit.

02:20:54.000 They all think it's bullshit.

02:20:55.000 In fact, there's like scores that they have for coffee.

02:20:58.000 They have scores, like a really good coffee, like Rusty's Hawaiian that we started drinking.

02:21:03.000 It's really good stuff.

02:21:04.000 And it scores like a 95.

02:21:06.000 It's delicious coffee, you know?

02:21:08.000 And in order to score high, they test your stuff for mold.

02:21:12.000 Like they test it.

02:21:14.000 You can't have moldy coffee and have it test high.

02:21:17.000 So this is not an issue.

02:21:19.000 This is an issue that was existing in the 80s.

02:21:21.000 There's a PubMed article from 1980 about mycotoxins.

02:21:25.000 So people aren't dying or chopping other people's faces off.

02:21:29.000 You guys said a bunch of other shit about it, like it causes coffee to be bitter.

02:21:32.000 That's not the case.

02:21:33.000 That's not true.

02:21:35.000 So the point is, this all started, his whole downfall started because he was making false claims to try to eliminate competition.

02:21:44.000 He was doing exactly what we're saying companies shouldn't do.

02:21:47.000 Shouldn't shit on someone to eliminate competition.

02:21:49.000 Now, if Aspy came out and said, hey, you know, I think it's kind of fucked up that Tate is basically copying my claims about mycotoxins, which, by the way, aren't true, then he would have a point.

02:21:59.000 But he would say, hey, Tate's copying my lies.

02:22:01.000 You know, I mean, that's basically what he would have to say.

02:22:04.000 Because other than that, this is not really the case.

02:22:07.000 Other than that, it's just the coffee equivalent of a root beer float, which is coffee with butter and MCT oil.

02:22:14.000 Which then it turns out that wasn't even Asprey's idea.

02:22:17.000 It was a guy named Rob Wolf, another guy we've had on the podcast, one of the paleo gurus.

02:22:21.000 He wrote about it in 2004.

02:22:23.000 So it wasn't Asprey's idea.

02:22:25.000 This idea had been out there.

02:22:26.000 He collects these ideas.

02:22:28.000 And that's one of the things that Rhonda Patrick, who was on last week, who's a PhD, she said that Asprey put some shit on his website from her scientific research with vitamin D and didn't accredit her.

02:22:39.000 So there's a lot of that going on, man.

02:22:41.000 A lot of people discrediting people, saying shitty things about people.

02:22:45.000 It all comes back to get them.

02:22:47.000 It all comes back.

02:22:48.000 Because if you're saying false claims about someone like that, if you're just randomly deciding that someone's stuff is shit, well, then they get to test your stuff too, man.

02:22:57.000 And if it turns out that your whole process is bullshit, that all this unnecessary nonsense or voodoo you're doing to your process to make sure that your stuff is better than everybody else's doesn't actually work, isn't actually real, and the problem doesn't actually exist.

02:23:12.000 Yeah, then you shouldn't throw stones if you're in the glass house.

02:23:14.000 It never would have happened.

02:23:15.000 If he didn't do that, we would have never tested his coffee.

02:23:18.000 We would have thought that it was probably still an issue.

02:23:21.000 You can find things online about mycotoxins and coffee being an issue.

02:23:25.000 But apparently, they figured it out in like the 1980s, this wet processing, they figured out.

02:23:30.000 So, you know, it puts us in a real bad position because we've said what this guy has said.

02:23:35.000 We repeated it on this podcast.

02:23:37.000 I've repeated it.

02:23:38.000 And, you know, it's not a bad product.

02:23:40.000 Everything he sells is good stuff.

02:23:41.000 Don't make any mistake about it.

02:23:43.000 You shouldn't not buy Dave Asprepsy's.

02:23:46.000 That's not his stuff.

02:23:47.000 No, that is Hawaiian Roasters.

02:23:49.000 Okay.

02:23:49.000 That's a different one.

02:23:50.000 Or it's Caveman.

02:23:51.000 Was that Caveman or Hawaiian Roasters?

02:23:52.000 Hawaiian Roasters, which we have no affiliation with.

02:23:55.000 Caveman is my friend Tate's coffee.

02:23:57.000 I have no business interest in that.

02:23:59.000 He's just my friend.

02:24:00.000 You know, I actually have a business interest in selling Asprey's coffee because I own a piece of Onit, and I sell it through Onit.

02:24:06.000 But I have to be honest always about everything.

02:24:10.000 And I would have like, it would be profitable for me to not talk about this because we sell his coffee, but it's not ethical.

02:24:19.000 Meanwhile, it's good coffee.

02:24:21.000 It's nothing wrong with it.

02:24:22.000 It's single-source coffee.

02:24:23.000 It's a single caffeinated, which is necessary.

02:24:26.000 It's good.

02:24:27.000 He buys very good coffee.

02:24:28.000 He sells very good coffee.

02:24:30.000 There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

02:24:32.000 The claims were unnecessary.

02:24:33.000 And the claims created a business.

02:24:35.000 They created a model.

02:24:36.000 They created this issue that doesn't seem to exist.

02:24:40.000 But why did it all come out to light?

02:24:42.000 Well, it all came to light because there was unfair claims about someone that he thought was a competitor.

02:24:47.000 I mean, and that cunty shit that the government is encouraging their employees to do to discredit people is what discredits the government when something like that gets out.

02:24:58.000 That's like the perfect way of expressing what I was trying to get at earlier, this idea of you're the fucking government and you're the U.S. president.

02:25:06.000 You can't lower yourself to this level where you're competing with Snowden with a back and forth.

02:25:11.000 It should be, we fucked up.

02:25:13.000 We're the government.

02:25:14.000 We're going to correct it.

02:25:15.000 Everybody would honor that.

02:25:16.000 The same with WikiLeaks, the same with Guantanamo Bay.

02:25:19.000 We went overboard with some interrogation stuff.

02:25:21.000 We detained some people against their basic rights.

02:25:25.000 We did this because we were panicked and we didn't want another 9-11.

02:25:28.000 And now we'll take steps to correct it.

02:25:30.000 And that's not what they're saying.

02:25:31.000 That's not what they're doing.

02:25:32.000 And that's really, I think, all anybody wants is to hear that kind of rhetoric from here on out, which is we recognize there's a problem.

02:25:38.000 They've never fucking said that.

02:25:40.000 Yes.

02:25:40.000 Obama, as many positive things that I can say about Obama as I grow to just learn more about the world and realize that he's not this evil dictator that InfoWars makes him out to be.

02:25:51.000 It's a more complex picture.

02:25:53.000 With that said, he still has not come out and said, it's clear at this point that the NSA has done some stuff that is not within the bounds of our laws and we'll fix that.

02:26:02.000 And that's all he'd have to do and it'd be case closed for the world.

02:26:05.000 Well, you know, people would demand what does fix that mean.

02:26:08.000 And most have talked about clamping down on it now.

02:26:12.000 Most people will be okay though.

02:26:13.000 I think you're always gonna have this If I honestly believed that Obama was fixing the problem in a meaningful way, I'd be okay with it because I'm very busy and I don't want to nitpick.

02:26:23.000 While I'd rather see us move forward as a country and not continue to There are some really big innovations ahead of us.

02:26:33.000 I think we might go into a big economic boom in the next few years.

02:26:36.000 The Bitcoin thing, even if Bitcoin goes away, something very similar to it is going to take off.

02:26:41.000 And these are exciting things.

02:26:43.000 We're on the verge of another big tech boom like we were in the 90s.

02:26:46.000 We shouldn't get bogged down with all this petty bickering and all this hateful stuff and red versus petty at all.

02:26:52.000 I think it's critical.

02:26:53.000 I think it's a sign of the times.

02:26:56.000 And I think it's indicative of this new environment that we find ourselves in, this new environment of I mean the government back and forth is petty.

02:27:05.000 It's very petty to force an airplane to the ground to search for somebody.

02:27:10.000 This is the most powerful government in the world.

02:27:11.000 You shouldn't behave like that.

02:27:12.000 I agree with that.

02:27:13.000 I absolutely agree with that.

02:27:15.000 But I think that what's going on, whether we're talking about the coffee thing or whether we're talking about the government thing or talk about virtually anything, is you can't expect to get away with business as usual because there's too much that gets exposed now because of the internet.

02:27:34.000 I think that when you do evil shit and other people are aware of that evil shit and they can find out about that evil shit and put it online, you know, you got to expect that you can't keep these NSA workers silent because a lot of them are actual patriots.

02:27:50.000 They might have gotten a job a long time ago out of college working for the NSA, but they didn't do it because they wanted to be a bad guy.

02:27:57.000 They didn't do it because they wanted to spy on their neighbor because their neighbor might just think that the United States should get the fuck out of Afghanistan.

02:28:03.000 That's not why they did it.

02:28:05.000 They did it because they wanted to keep people safe.

02:28:07.000 There's a lot of people like that out there.

02:28:08.000 So they find themselves a part of this genuinely dangerous organization that is genuinely violating constitutional rights.

02:28:15.000 And what do they do?

02:28:16.000 They take chances.

02:28:18.000 They take chances.

02:28:19.000 What about that William Binney guy, that guy that was the first whistleblower way, way, way back in the day?

02:28:24.000 That guy had some balls.

02:28:25.000 That guy had some balls, and he got away with it, too, because he was just predicting a future crime.

02:28:30.000 He quit, and then he predicted a future crime.

02:28:33.000 And then when the future crime actually came into manifestation, it manifested itself, that was like 10 years later.

02:28:39.000 It's pretty incredible when you stop and think about it.

02:28:42.000 This guy called it, and he quit the NSA after 2001.

02:28:45.000 Yeah, that is amazing.

02:28:46.000 Fuck yeah, it's amazing.

02:28:47.000 He was the original whistleblower and nobody talks about that cat.

02:28:51.000 That guy, I mean, he's another fucking hero.

02:28:54.000 What they're doing is what you're not supposed to do.

02:28:56.000 You're not supposed to do it like that.

02:28:58.000 You have an obligation.

02:28:59.000 You're the top of the heap.

02:29:00.000 But I think it's also an impossible job.

02:29:03.000 I think trying to govern 300 million people is impossible.

02:29:06.000 And I think you get frustrated when you just come up with all these ways to keep these motherfuckers in check.

02:29:11.000 That's where my President Obama May Be Right article comes from, is this realization that there are a lot of people.

02:29:16.000 And actually the best description of Obama that I've heard, there's this pickup artist who puts some of his videos on YouTube.

02:29:22.000 And they're not all about pickup.

02:29:24.000 A lot of them are just about views on life.

02:29:26.000 Who's this?

02:29:27.000 This guy, Owen Cook.

02:29:29.000 He actually lives in LA, but I've never met him.

02:29:31.000 And I was watching this video where he was like, people aren't really prepared to hear the truth about Obama, which is that he's kind of like a principal for this school known as the United States.

02:29:41.000 He's just trying to hold shit together.

02:29:43.000 And people don't want him to go up on the podium and say, look, you want more jobs?

02:29:46.000 You've got to create some innovation because things are stagnant.

02:29:48.000 Like, you've got to go out there and do it.

02:29:50.000 I can't just create things out of thin air.

02:29:52.000 And it's the same with national security stuff.

02:29:54.000 He can't fix everything.

02:29:55.000 The people need to demand protections of their privacies.

02:29:59.000 It's not all on him.

02:30:00.000 It has to be on the people.

02:30:01.000 And I think that we, for the most part, not you and I, not Redband, not most of the listeners, but been fucking lazy as a country.

02:30:07.000 We've been focused on other stuff.

02:30:08.000 And now it's kind of coming back to bite us in the ass.

02:30:11.000 And we have to decide, like, what's important to us?

02:30:13.000 How far are we willing to trade off our basic rights in exchange for the guarantee of no more 9-11s? 1.00

02:30:20.000 Yeah, I mean, or does that even work at all?

02:30:23.000 And what should we concentrate on when we're trying to prevent another 9-11? 0.85

02:30:26.000 What should we concentrate on?

02:30:27.000 Should we concentrate on spying on Americans? 0.56

02:30:30.000 Or should we concentrate on a non-interventionist interventional foreign policy that doesn't cause people to get so fucking pissed off at us that they want to kill us?

02:30:38.000 Should we concentrate on not shooting drones into apartment buildings because they have a fucking cell phone that we want to find the user of?

02:30:46.000 Maybe focus on not giving easy immigration rights to fucking Saudi Arabia when all the 9-11 hijackers, I believe, are from Saudi Arabia.

02:30:54.000 Many of them were.

02:30:55.000 There's got to be a bunch of different things that could be done.

02:30:58.000 However, the problem is so gigantic.

02:31:01.000 The world is so enormous.

02:31:03.000 There are so many people.

02:31:04.000 There are so many competing financial factors.

02:31:06.000 There's so much shit going on that for any one group to try to fix it, and they don't even work together, which is so fucked up. 0.76

02:31:16.000 The CIA and the FBI don't work together.

02:31:17.000 They compete with each other.

02:31:18.000 Exactly.

02:31:19.000 There's competition.

02:31:20.000 Well, that's how Petraeus got busted.

02:31:21.000 They got busted because the fucking CIA was getting investigated by the FBI.

02:31:26.000 They investigated Petraeus.

02:31:27.000 The FBI investigated Petraeus.

02:31:29.000 The fucking head spook got spooked on.

02:31:32.000 I mean, that's how he got busted.

02:31:33.000 That's how they found out about his affair.

02:31:35.000 I think women is really how he got busted, though.

02:31:37.000 He allowed his personal life to take over.

02:31:40.000 Yes.

02:31:41.000 Granted, I know absolutely nothing about this case, but just from what little I know, it seems like that's not something that would have happened.

02:31:46.000 If he had remained 100% above board, that whole investigation that was set off by the FBI would have never happened because it was that woman in Tampa, the socialite or whatever, who triggered the whole fucking unraveling thing.

02:31:59.000 And once you unleash those kinds of forces, I think they just keep digging until they find something.

02:32:03.000 It's a kraken. 0.95

02:32:04.000 Yeah, it's a kraken. 0.52

02:32:05.000 You unleash that beast, and there's no knowing where it'll end up, and it end up with him losing his job.

02:32:09.000 Well, isn't it hilarious, too, that he lost his job because of pussy? 1.00

02:32:12.000 He's the number one murderer in the country.

02:32:15.000 I mean, basically, that's what it is.

02:32:17.000 He murders bad guys for the country.

02:32:19.000 That's what a general is.

02:32:21.000 I mean, you don't want to say murder.

02:32:23.000 Let's say killer.

02:32:24.000 Let's say eliminator.

02:32:25.000 Let's sanitize it.

02:32:28.000 He's a warrior.

02:32:28.000 Let's say warrior.

02:32:29.000 He's a head warrior.

02:32:31.000 Just go back to like the Conan the Barbarian books or watch a Conan movie.

02:32:36.000 What did Conan do?

02:32:37.000 He slayed and he fucked.

02:32:38.000 That's what warriors do.

02:32:39.000 They slay and they fuck. 0.99

02:32:41.000 So we want these neutered warriors. 1.00

02:32:43.000 We want these warriors that don't fuck. 1.00

02:32:45.000 We want these people that are over there just shooting the heads off of people from a distance, watch their heads explode, and they don't get any pussy. 1.00

02:32:53.000 They're stopping life on a regular basis, doing what there's laws against, what the Bible tells you you can't do, but the Bible, you don't have to worry about the Bible because you got a free pass from Uncle Sam.

02:33:04.000 We've talked to God, and God says it's okay to kill these folks.

02:33:07.000 As long as, well, what if we went into Iraq on a false premise?

02:33:10.000 God will forgive you.

02:33:11.000 I know you kill all those people for no reason, but hey, you didn't know any better, so it's all good.

02:33:16.000 Well, then who's to blame?

02:33:17.000 No one's to blame because the government is essentially like a gigantic corporation that doesn't have a real sort of like one person that you could pin it to.

02:33:25.000 There's like a lot of people and whatever, whatever.

02:33:27.000 Don't worry about it, dude.

02:33:28.000 I mean, that's essentially what's going on.

02:33:30.000 So that one guy who's the best, General Petraeus, he's the guy.

02:33:34.000 There's the guy that whenever they went to the news and there was some Afghanistan thing, they went to General Petraeus.

02:33:39.000 He can't get some pussy. 1.00

02:33:41.000 Really?

02:33:42.000 You're going to hate him because, look, his marriage vows aside, of course his wife should be upset if she didn't know.

02:33:48.000 Of course, you know, if he lied about it, that's kind of something to take into consideration when you factor in his character.

02:33:54.000 Take it into consideration lightly when you really stop and think about how many warriors in the past have had harems and Genghis Khan fucked like every living human being in the year 1220. 0.87

02:34:05.000 I mean, what are we pretending?

02:34:07.000 What are we pretending these warriors are?

02:34:09.000 Are we pretending that they're, you know, some strange Barbie doll, Ken, G.I. Joe, you know, organless thing that just fights for God, glory, and country and doesn't have physical desires?

02:34:21.000 I was a while ago, I had this guy, David Brin, on my podcast, and he was talking about how police and militaries and stuff have only been professional for like the last 120 years or something.

02:34:31.000 Before that, they were just pretty much the enforcers for whoever owned the land.

02:34:35.000 So if you were the feudal lord, you would have your own police force who would basically collect taxes and beat peasants and stuff.

02:34:41.000 We've only expected police and soldiers to be professional for the past hundred years.

02:34:46.000 So they're still kind of catching up because these are very old structures and you're using violence.

02:34:52.000 So it's hard to, how do you mix?

02:34:53.000 It's always kind of boggled my mind that cops will go from a fatal, like some kind of fatal confrontation where they have to take somebody down to 15 minutes later, they're at Starbucks getting another coffee.

02:35:04.000 Like that's got to be a weird fucking mind melt.

02:35:08.000 They have a massive disconnect.

02:35:09.000 And I think it may very well be that a lot of them are taking antidepressants.

02:35:14.000 I know antidepressants in the military are incredibly common.

02:35:17.000 It's one of the most prescribed medications for people that come back, they have PTSD, people who have issues.

02:35:23.000 Antidepressants, well, you know, let's Google that because I read an article recently about antidepressants in the military.

02:35:29.000 And I don't remember the exact statistics, but it was in the military.

02:35:35.000 It was pretty disturbing, but it makes sense because they allow you to rationalize things in a way that you're not going to if you're not on that stuff.

02:35:44.000 Yeah, man.

02:35:45.000 Antidepressants in the military.

02:35:47.000 Yeah, there's a lot.

02:35:49.000 There's a lot, man.

02:35:50.000 Military prescribes antidepressants to growing army of soldiers.

02:35:57.000 Okay, military says that 12% of its combat personnel in Iraq and 17% serving in Afghanistan are taking prescription antidepressants.

02:36:07.000 This is from 2008.

02:36:08.000 I can only assume that the numbers have gone up.

02:36:11.000 Sure, it's increased since then?

02:36:12.000 Of course it has.

02:36:13.000 If they found out there's money in it, look, that's the beautiful thing about being a corporation.

02:36:17.000 You have to maximize your profits every year.

02:36:19.000 Corporations just can't stay, hey, we made X amount of money last year and we made the same this year.

02:36:25.000 So we're doing really good, guys.

02:36:27.000 No.

02:36:27.000 No, you have to continue to grow.

02:36:29.000 They want that infinite growth paradigm that Peter Joseph always goes on and on about in his Zeitgeist documentaries.

02:36:37.000 I mean, that's one of the most ridiculous aspects of corporations.

02:36:40.000 One of the most ridiculous aspects of the economy is the infinite growth idea.

02:36:45.000 The idea that you can just continue to get bigger and bigger every year until what?

02:36:49.000 You have all the money on the planet?

02:36:50.000 Because that's where it goes.

02:36:52.000 If every fucking corporation actually continued to grow and stayed alive for, you know, 150, 350, 1,000 years, whatever it takes, they should all have all the money in the world.

02:37:05.000 What happens then?

02:37:06.000 You can't have infinite growth.

02:37:08.000 It doesn't make sense.

02:37:09.000 It's a monopoly game.

02:37:10.000 Somebody ends up with all the pieces of paper by the end.

02:37:13.000 Right.

02:37:13.000 So if, you know, you got to think that if the pharmaceutical companies were making untold millions of dollars in having 12% of the soldiers in Iraq and 17% in Afghanistan in 2008, I mean, that was six years ago.

02:37:30.000 So what is that now?

02:37:32.000 You know, it's probably pretty fucking crazy.

02:37:35.000 Let's see.

02:37:36.000 Any precedents in the military in 2014?

02:37:38.000 Let's try that.

02:37:39.000 2000.

02:37:41.000 2014.

02:37:42.000 Let's see what it says.

02:37:45.000 Meanwhile, by the way, I'm just reading random blogs with a very quick and cursory Google search with no vetting out whatsoever.

02:37:52.000 So they might be all full of shit.

02:37:53.000 But look, we don't even have to look into it.

02:37:56.000 Whatever the numbers are, those are all abstract anyway.

02:37:58.000 We know that it's people.

02:38:00.000 People are definitely on it.

02:38:01.000 And that's kind of crazy that you take people and you put them in this terrible situation.

02:38:07.000 You yank them out of their lives and you send them over to these. 1.00

02:38:10.000 Now they've got to kill people and then they come home and their wife is sleeping with somebody else or their girlfriend has left them and then they have the PTSD crack down and can't deal with wife anymore.

02:38:21.000 I know a dude who just recently shot a guy and I know he was having some PTSD issues.

02:38:28.000 I don't know what the exact circumstances were.

02:38:30.000 There was a car accident.

02:38:31.000 Someone rear-ended him and he wound up shooting some guy.

02:38:34.000 Wow.

02:38:34.000 Yeah, and I don't know.

02:38:37.000 He hasn't gone to court yet about it.

02:38:38.000 I know that they're trying to put together the case and try to figure out what the exact circumstances were.

02:38:43.000 The guy rear-ended him.

02:38:44.000 Who knows?

02:38:44.000 The guy might have been crazy.

02:38:46.000 Who knows?

02:38:46.000 He might have really been defending himself.

02:38:48.000 Who knows?

02:38:49.000 I don't know.

02:38:50.000 But that's an issue when people are used to killing people and people have been over there for a while.

02:38:55.000 This guy, he did a tour, more than one, and then he also went back and did Blackwater stuff.

02:39:02.000 Without a doubt, he's seen some shit.

02:39:04.000 You've seen Dirty Wars by now, right?

02:39:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:39:06.000 Yeah.

02:39:07.000 It's pretty disturbing movie.

02:39:08.000 Yeah, it is.

02:39:09.000 Yeah.

02:39:09.000 I'm trying to get that guy on the podcast.

02:39:11.000 I was actually watching some of it last night.

02:39:12.000 Jeremy Skahill.

02:39:13.000 Yeah.

02:39:15.000 I think, you know, we're living in a strange time where a guy can make a documentary like that.

02:39:21.000 You know, we're living in a strange time where you could talk about a documentary like that for hours and hours on your podcast or this podcast.

02:39:27.000 It's part of the reason I love America is we can always self-correct.

02:39:31.000 We're not doing this podcast in a basement somewhere worried about the fucking Syrian army storming in here and torturing us like they are. 0.97

02:39:38.000 If you're in a different part of the world, the only difference is you're in a different area.

02:39:41.000 You no longer have these rights, and you've got to be careful.

02:39:44.000 We thankfully don't have that.

02:39:46.000 And I want to see that remain, obviously.

02:39:48.000 I do too.

02:39:49.000 And I think that it's not just America, it's the world.

02:39:52.000 And I think the idea of a country like America, I think ultimately the goal would be to have the whole world up to the same standard that we hold ourselves to and have a global community of people that are essentially, you've got to have the same rights everywhere you go.

02:40:05.000 And there's no oppressive North Korean regimes.

02:40:07.000 There's no places like Syria that still hold dictators.

02:40:10.000 There's no places that...

02:40:12.000 I think it's really shameful that we haven't gone into North Korea yet, because I understand people are like...

02:40:17.000 We've got to do something.

02:40:18.000 It's a humanitarian disaster.

02:40:19.000 It is a humanitarian discussion.

02:40:20.000 We're basically watching another Holocaust. 0.91

02:40:22.000 We are.

02:40:22.000 Nobody wants to take the loss on it because it's going to be messy, and it's going to take time and money and probably going to lose some – That's our ally, and it's a real issue because it's right there.

02:40:36.000 But I don't think as a modern society, we can see all this shit on the internet.

02:40:39.000 We can't just let them continue to kill people.

02:40:41.000 I think the other month, his girlfriend, he just wiped out all of her family or friends or some shit over some non-existent slight.

02:40:50.000 Well, he executed his ex-wife.

02:40:51.000 His ex-girlfriend.

02:40:52.000 He executed his ex-girlfriend.

02:40:54.000 And he executed his uncle, who was thinking about establishing a coup.

02:40:59.000 And then he executed all of his uncle's family.

02:41:01.000 He executed his uncle's sons, who were innocent, and they were 20 years old, but he knew that they would come back to get him one day, so he executed them.

02:41:07.000 He executed everyone.

02:41:08.000 Meanwhile, the U.S. government is fixated on guys like Kim.com. 0.92

02:41:12.000 Why don't they go after this fucking guy in North Korea?

02:41:14.000 Very good point.

02:41:15.000 Use the same kind of resources against somebody like that rather than someone who's a, you know. 0.99

02:41:20.000 I would be concerned with military operations because it's so close to South Korea, and I think they've publicly stated that they would launch nukes at South Korea if they were ever invaded.

02:41:28.000 We're so clever, if there was some kind of resource we wanted in North Korea, we would find a diplomatic way to resolve it.

02:41:35.000 Okay, but are we or are we not?

02:41:37.000 I mean, we have to decide.

02:41:38.000 Are we retarded?

02:41:39.000 Are we goofy fucks that do stupid shit that we could point out easily?

02:41:42.000 Or are we these super clever geniuses that know how to circumvent any security systems and halt the nukes?

02:41:49.000 I think that we are convenient.

02:41:52.000 At the core, we're really smart, but we have all these layers of stupidity, and not all the layers are connected.

02:41:57.000 Some of it is just stupidity.

02:41:58.000 It's not there for any reason.

02:42:00.000 Yeah.

02:42:01.000 I don't know.

02:42:02.000 I don't know what the answer is.

02:42:03.000 I don't know what our real capabilities are, and I probably shouldn't know since I'm not in the military.

02:42:08.000 I would love to be able to trust them wholeheartedly.

02:42:10.000 I would love to.

02:42:11.000 I would love to be able to step back and say, hey, if they're invading a country, it's because that country is filled with fucking assholes, and those assholes are going to kill innocent people worldwide.

02:42:19.000 I would love that.

02:42:20.000 I really would love that.

02:42:21.000 And I'm not an anti-military guy.

02:42:24.000 I'm a realist.

02:42:24.000 I'm a realist when it comes to human nature, and I'm a realist when it comes to human history.

02:42:28.000 If you look at the world, there's never been a time of peace ever in the entire world ever.

02:42:33.000 From the time that we were shat out of the first monkey mama till, you know, fighting over a fucking deer leg or whatever the hell we were fighting over back then to today, there's never been one day on earth where no one died. 0.77

02:42:46.000 There's never been one day on earth where no one dropped a rock on someone's head from the top of a cliff.

02:42:51.000 There's never been one day on earth where people didn't fight to the death.

02:42:54.000 It's always happened.

02:42:56.000 It's always been a part of what we are.

02:42:58.000 And like the yin and the yang that we were discussing earlier, that sort of exists as a natural part of just life in the universe.

02:43:07.000 There's this push and pull.

02:43:08.000 There's this, this tie goes in, the tie goes out, Bill O'Reilly.

02:43:13.000 Can't explain that.

02:43:14.000 You can't explain that.

02:43:16.000 I'm in Jesus' corner. 0.86

02:43:17.000 But I think that there's something to that.

02:43:20.000 And there's something also to something that I harp on quite often, but I think it's an important point.

02:43:26.000 We like to look at all the different sort of areas of the world where there's what we call natural phenomenon or natural examples of strange behavior or observed behavior or natural cycles, whether it's weather patterns or whether it's, you know, whatever it is.

02:43:46.000 We look at all these things as being very natural, except for ourselves.

02:43:49.000 For whatever reason, when it comes to human beings, we decide that because we're sentient, because we have, you know, the ability to rationalize and think and communicate, we don't think what we do is natural.

02:44:00.000 What we think what we do is just some, well, you know, as a society, we have to be civilized and think things through.

02:44:05.000 And that might all be natural.

02:44:07.000 What we might be seeing with humanity is a really complicated version of what goes on in an anthill.

02:44:13.000 What we might be seeing is just some really natural behavior that's just on some next level fractal shit.

02:44:20.000 It's just so uber complicated because there's so many of us and you're dealing in, you're factoring in information as well as the instincts to breed, the instincts to dominate and have food and resources.

02:44:33.000 On top of all those other things, you're also dealing with communication.

02:44:37.000 You're dealing with the ability to exchange information and also the ability to enhance yourself with that exchanged information and alter perspectives.

02:44:45.000 A wolf stays a wolf its whole life.

02:44:47.000 You give a douchebag some mushrooms.

02:44:49.000 He becomes a really introspective person, at least for a few hours.

02:44:53.000 He becomes a yoga instructor.

02:44:54.000 He did it enough times.

02:44:56.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that change because of experiences and information and just life giving them something that forces them to examine the box that they put the world in.

02:45:09.000 Life gives them something that they've sort of been forced to sort of get a new perspective.

02:45:15.000 That doesn't happen in the animal world.

02:45:17.000 And that's why you have to add in and factor in all these variables and look at human beings and say, it seems natural.

02:45:23.000 What we're doing seems natural.

02:45:25.000 And I think that along with, you know, bears, male bears eating the young cubs to force the female to keep breeding.

02:45:34.000 I mean, all that stuff is natural too.

02:45:36.000 It just, it's disgusting and horrible to watch, but it's all natural.

02:45:40.000 We're working it out.

02:45:41.000 We're working it out.

02:45:42.000 We are working it out.

02:45:43.000 I really think we are.

02:45:45.000 But I'm confident about it.

02:45:47.000 I'm confident about it because the effects in my own life of education, and when I say education, I don't mean formal.

02:45:55.000 I mean just reading things and being exposed to information and being exposed to.

02:45:59.000 Yeah.

02:45:59.000 Wife experience.

02:46:00.000 Just doing this fucking podcast, man.

02:46:01.000 Just talking to people like yourself, just having conversations with people and hashing things out and then seeing the reactions to these conversations that people have online where they join in.

02:46:11.000 They start discussing things on Twitter, discussing things on Facebook.

02:46:14.000 I've seen people, you know, have conversations in person about things that have happened on the podcast.

02:46:19.000 Well, hey, you know, I found out about this and then I started researching into this and then I changed my diet because of that and then this and that and this and that.

02:46:26.000 It's one of the reasons why misinformation like the Aspre thing is so frustrating and it really pisses me off because it's in the wrong spirit of this thing.

02:46:35.000 It's in the wrong spirit of what we're trying to do.

02:46:37.000 Yeah, you shouldn't have a scarcity mindset.

02:46:39.000 Coffee is a fucking huge market.

02:46:41.000 Everybody can have a piece.

02:46:42.000 Well, famine thinking doesn't have any logic attached to it.

02:46:45.000 Famine thinking is just, it is what it is.

02:46:47.000 I got a piss again.

02:46:48.000 Powerful piss again.

02:46:50.000 Well, we're going to play the Godzilla trailer.

02:46:51.000 It's a C2O.

02:46:52.000 There's something about it, but it's delicious.

02:46:54.000 By the way, no stock in CTO either.

02:46:56.000 They're just nice people.

02:46:57.000 We like them.

02:46:59.000 Let's play the Godzilla trailer because it looks dope as fucking Brian Cranston from Breaking Bad is a fucking star.

02:47:04.000 So it's going to be epic.

02:47:05.000 God damn, this looks good.

02:47:07.000 I want to talk to somebody in charge.

02:47:11.000 You are not fooling anybody when you say that what happened was a natural disaster.

02:47:20.000 You're lying.

02:47:22.000 It was not an earthquake.

02:47:23.000 It wasn't a typhoon.

02:47:28.000 Because what's really happening is that you're hiding something out there!

02:47:32.000 *Skiss*

02:47:41.000 By the way, this is the greatest promoted movie ever.

02:47:45.000 They've been so good at releasing shit slowly.

02:47:52.000 Godzilla's popping right up out of the ocean, bitches. 1.00

02:47:55.000 God help us all.

02:48:00.000 If you're listening and watching, we awaken to something.

02:48:06.000 You're seeing a bunch of cool shit.

02:48:08.000 There's nuclear tests in the Pacific.

02:48:13.000 Not tests.

02:48:14.000 They were trying to kill it.

02:48:16.000 *Sounds of the fire*

02:48:25.000 You have no idea what's coming.

02:48:30.000 They're so good about not showing you much, too.

02:48:32.000 you kill him The arrogance of man is thinking nature is in our control.

02:48:47.000 The arrogance of man is thinking nature is in our control.

02:48:55.000 And not the other way around.

02:48:59.000 It is the arrogance of man.

02:49:01.000 David's heman. 0.91

02:49:03.000 So Godzilla's coming next, right?

02:49:04.000 Well, that would unite us.

02:49:06.000 If this motherfucker popped out of the ocean, for sure. 0.77

02:49:08.000 We would stop all the bullshit?

02:49:10.000 This looks really good, by the way.

02:49:12.000 Fuck yeah, it does.

02:49:14.000 Please, God, don't let it suck.

02:49:16.000 Look how awesome he looks.

02:49:20.000 Oh, yeah, baby.

02:49:21.000 My dick is rock hard.

02:49:25.000 That is a good disaster point right there.

02:49:27.000 Fuck yeah, it is.

02:49:28.000 I love a good monster movie.

02:49:30.000 There's not enough.

02:49:31.000 So thanks to Ronald Green of CTO Coconut Water for keeping us with Coconut Water that made David Seaman piss, not once, but twice in a three-hour podcast.

02:49:42.000 Good times, man.

02:49:43.000 That was a fun podcast.

02:49:44.000 Yeah, this is fun.

02:49:46.000 Does anything that people need to know?

02:49:48.000 Anything you got going on?

02:49:49.000 Your podcast is, how they get it?

02:49:51.000 David Seamanauer, iTunes.

02:49:53.000 iTunes.

02:49:54.000 Anything else that on Stitcher as well?

02:49:55.000 No, I'm not really promoting anything right now.

02:49:57.000 It's not on Stitcher?

02:49:58.000 Oh, it's on Stitcher, yeah.

02:49:59.000 I just saw you on other projects.

02:50:00.000 No, no, no.

02:50:00.000 But it's on Stitcher.

02:50:01.000 It is.

02:50:02.000 It is available in just straight MP3 format as well, so they don't have to get it off iTunes.

02:50:06.000 Exactly.

02:50:07.000 And if they want that, they can just Google David Seamanauer, and it's like the first or second.

02:50:10.000 Please don't make fun of his name.

02:50:12.000 Okay, the kid grew up with David Seaman.

02:50:14.000 I like it now.

02:50:15.000 It's one of those things that you're uncomfortable about at middle school because it's still so new to you.

02:50:21.000 Right.

02:50:21.000 As a 28-year-old guy, turning 28 next week, I'm kind of over the whole last name is Cum thing.

02:50:26.000 Good for you.

02:50:27.000 Whatever, you know.

02:50:28.000 And what's wrong with cum?

02:50:29.000 Yeah.

02:50:30.000 Nothing.

02:50:31.000 The bedrock of human society.

02:50:33.000 Yeah.

02:50:33.000 Makes humans.

02:50:34.000 You know, it's like cement or whatever.

02:50:37.000 Cement makes buildings.

02:50:38.000 It's memorable, which I like.

02:50:40.000 If your name was David Steele, it'd be no problem.

02:50:42.000 What does Steele make?

02:50:43.000 Steele makes buildings.

02:50:44.000 Everybody wants to come.

02:50:45.000 There's nothing wrong with cum.

02:50:46.000 Definitely.

02:50:47.000 But if your name was David Seaman in your mouth, then we'd have an issue.

02:50:52.000 I would change my last name.

02:50:53.000 If your name was David Seaman in your mouth and you're a guy.

02:50:55.000 Like if that was like the full name.

02:50:57.000 Hi, my name's David Seaman in your mouth and I'm a guy.

02:51:02.000 Yeah, I'd do a name change.

02:51:03.000 I'd be like Dave Smith.

02:51:05.000 Can you imagine if your parents were just fucking assholes?

02:51:09.000 Let's change our last name to Dick in the ass. 0.99

02:51:10.000 What did Kanye West name his kid?

02:51:12.000 North.

02:51:13.000 North?

02:51:13.000 That's not too bad.

02:51:14.000 I thought it was weirder than that.

02:51:15.000 It's annoying.

02:51:15.000 It's weird.

02:51:16.000 It's egocentric.

02:51:18.000 It's gross.

02:51:20.000 He'll regret it when his kid fucking sues him when he gets older.

02:51:24.000 Not that that's going to happen.

02:51:26.000 So the David Seamanauer.

02:51:27.000 David Seamanauer, the last guest, was the CEO of a Bitcoin Exchange, and I grilled him on whether it's a good time to buy.

02:51:35.000 I'm totally hypocritical because I never had a problem with Moon Unit Zappa.

02:51:38.000 If I didn't have a problem with Moon Unit Zappa, why do I care about Northwest?

02:51:41.000 Or I'd apologize, Kanye.

02:51:42.000 You're right, man.

02:51:43.000 Nothing wrong with Northwest.

02:51:44.000 That's good.

02:51:45.000 Weasel, I didn't have a problem with Dewey Weasel.

02:51:47.000 If you didn't apologize right there, he'd probably be tweeting you in a few hours with allowed to.

02:51:54.000 He's such a silly man.

02:51:56.000 He's the biggest rock star of all.

02:51:58.000 Anyway.

02:51:59.000 If you're a genius, you have to acknowledge that you're a genius.

02:52:01.000 Exactly.

02:52:02.000 You have to, otherwise you're not a genius.

02:52:03.000 It doesn't count.

02:52:04.000 David Seaman hour, ladies and gentlemen.

02:52:07.000 Brian, what do you got going on?

02:52:08.000 Do you have some dates coming up soon?

02:52:10.000 This weekend, I'm going to be in La Jolla.

02:52:13.000 We're doing a bunch of comedy shows.

02:52:14.000 We're also doing a live Kill Tony show Friday and Saturday at the La Jolla comedy store.

02:52:19.000 A live Kill Tony Friday and Saturday?

02:52:21.000 Just Saturday.

02:52:22.000 But Friday and Saturday, we're doing just comedy shows, but Saturday we're doing also a Kill Tony.

02:52:26.000 Oh, okay.

02:52:27.000 What time is the Kill Tony?

02:52:28.000 6 o'clock.

02:52:29.000 So you do a comedy show after that?

02:52:31.000 From 6 to 8, is that we're doing?

02:52:31.000 Yeah, in the end.

02:52:32.000 Yeah, and if you buy a ticket for the live podcast, you get into the comedy show for free.

02:52:37.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:52:39.000 And it's at the La Jolla Comedy Store, which is one of the best clubs.

02:52:42.000 Fucking awesome old school club.

02:52:42.000 Definitely.

02:52:44.000 And then tickets just went on sale also for me, Tiffany Haddish, and Tony in Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver.

02:52:44.000 Yep.

02:52:50.000 Pow, pow, pow, bitches. 1.00

02:52:52.000 That squad.tv.

02:52:53.000 Delicious and nutritious.

02:52:55.000 I am going to be at Grand Prairie, Texas, outside of Dallas, on March 14th with Ari Shafir and Duncan Trussell.

02:53:01.000 We're at the Verizon Theater.

02:53:03.000 That's the day before the UFC in Dallas.

02:53:05.000 Could be a good time.

02:53:06.000 Brian Redband will be there if you want to kiss him and hug him.

02:53:09.000 He'll be there at the UFC event.

02:53:12.000 Miami, Florida.

02:53:13.000 I'm with Tony Hinchcliffe at the Fillmore on April 3rd.

02:53:16.000 And then Orlando on April 18th with Mad Flavor, aka Joe Diaz.

02:53:22.000 And Joey's also with me April 25th in Baltimore.

02:53:26.000 And then we'll be doing a lot of stuff, I'm sure, in and around LA in between now and then.

02:53:31.000 Tomorrow, Brian Callen and Doug Duran and Steve Ranella, all the people that were involved in the Meat Eater episode, which airs Thursday night.

02:53:40.000 Part one was last week.

02:53:42.000 Part two is this Thursday.

02:53:44.000 They're going to be on and great guys, especially Doug.

02:53:48.000 You guys have never met Doug, but he's the guy who owns that farm in Wisconsin.

02:53:51.000 He's a professional land manager and just a really well-educated guy.

02:53:55.000 I'm just a little weed.

02:53:55.000 Don't tell anybody.

02:53:56.000 He's a good dude.

02:53:57.000 Oh, love him.

02:53:59.000 So thanks to our sponsors.

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02:54:21.000 We'll see you guys tomorrow.

02:54:22.000 And if you're in La Jolla, make sure you catch the big Death Squad show this weekend at the Comedy Store.

02:54:28.000 Like I said, it's one of the coolest venues in the country.

02:54:30.000 It's a dope old school club that's been around.

02:54:32.000 Kennison used to perform there, man.

02:54:34.000 It's fucking place has been around forever.

02:54:35.000 All right, we love the fuck out of you, and we'll see you soon.

02:54:37.000 David Seamanauer on iTunes and Stitcher and the internet.

02:54:40.000 Anything else, David?

02:54:41.000 Anything, the last message?

02:54:43.000 If it's the last moment on earth, you have to say something, and it's going to be encapsulated and spread to future generations so they won't make the same mistake.

02:54:50.000 What would it be?

02:54:51.000 America's mostly doing it right. 1.00

02:54:52.000 We just got to fix the small parts.

02:54:54.000 And I guess that's what I'd leave it with.

02:54:57.000 I would say get it together, bitches. 1.00

02:54:59.000 And thanks for having me on.

02:55:00.000 This is awesome.

02:55:01.000 And keep it together, bitches. 1.00

02:55:02.000 Yeah, we have to do this more often, man.

02:55:03.000 We absolutely will.

02:55:04.000 All right.

02:55:05.000 Much love, people.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 25, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #461 - David Seaman

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