The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #504 - Steve Maxwell

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00:07:21.000 Yes!

00:07:21.000 Steve Maxwell, my friend.

00:07:23.000 Good to see you, man.

00:07:24.000 Hey, great seeing you too, Joe.

00:07:25.000 If you see, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sitting here in a chair with no back.

00:07:28.000 Note my perfect posture.

00:07:30.000 I just received this, what do they call these things?

00:07:34.000 Ergonomic? 0.97

00:07:35.000 Besides gay. 1.00

00:07:36.000 Don't say gay. 0.97

00:07:37.000 Because a lot of people call it gay. 0.98

00:07:38.000 Like a SESA chair. 0.82

00:07:39.000 You know, the SESA position.

00:07:40.000 Yes.

00:07:41.000 The samurai position.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, which is supposed to promote good posture.

00:07:45.000 Because I always find myself leaning in these chairs like cracking and trying to find a...

00:07:49.000 So this is...

00:07:50.000 It makes you actively keep your back in a straight line, right?

00:07:54.000 Is that the idea behind it?

00:07:55.000 That's the idea.

00:07:56.000 You know, the chair is like the new cigarettes these days.

00:07:58.000 Yes, that's what they say.

00:08:00.000 Sitting is the new smoking.

00:08:01.000 The new smoking.

00:08:03.000 It's devastating.

00:08:04.000 If you have bad posture and you sit in your chair, you really are putting tremendous stress on just a few of the parts of your spine, like a few of the discs.

00:08:13.000 And those discs oftentimes can rupture.

00:08:16.000 They say that people get herniated discs from wearing a wallet.

00:08:19.000 If you have a wallet in your pocket, like say if you're a cab driver or something, and you sit down all the time on a wallet, you can get a herniated disc from that.

00:08:27.000 Well, think of the uneven pressure.

00:08:28.000 Imagine your hip like totally—imagine like wearing a shoe, right, with one heel higher than the other.

00:08:34.000 Yeah.

00:08:34.000 Right?

00:08:35.000 Well, sort of the same idea, where you're sitting with one part of your hip above the other for years.

00:08:42.000 Yeah.

00:08:43.000 And, of course, it's going to—you know, the stress of just being so imbalanced is going to take its toll on your body.

00:08:49.000 Yeah.

00:08:58.000 Yeah.

00:09:01.000 Yeah.

00:09:08.000 And I was listening to this guy talk about this.

00:09:11.000 Well, you know, it was kind of like dismissing.

00:09:13.000 Some folks, you know, because I'm flexible, it's like, some folks just aren't that flexible.

00:09:16.000 You know, you just happen to be naturally flexible.

00:09:18.000 I'm like, man, I don't know about all that.

00:09:20.000 I really don't think I'm naturally flexible.

00:09:22.000 I just went through a lot of pain.

00:09:24.000 Like, I forced myself to stretch in really painful positions for...

00:09:29.000 You know, 30 seconds at a time, rest for a minute, 30 seconds at a time.

00:09:34.000 And when I'm down there for those 30 seconds, that's hard to breathe.

00:09:38.000 You're experiencing pain.

00:09:40.000 It's like... 1.00

00:09:41.000 That fucking... 0.99

00:09:43.000 A lot of people just aren't willing to do that, you know? 0.99

00:09:46.000 But that's just another example of how the body's kind of pliable.

00:09:51.000 It's pretty pliable.

00:09:52.000 I mean, you couldn't have, like, a lot of these body realignment techniques that work so well, like, after release technique.

00:09:59.000 I'm most familiar with rolfing.

00:10:01.000 Have you ever heard of this?

00:10:02.000 Yeah, we talked about it last time we were here.

00:10:03.000 Yeah, I mean, it saved me.

00:10:05.000 I can't tell you the horrific injuries that rolfing helped me get over from both wrestling, jiu-jitsu, and so forth.

00:10:12.000 So the body is very malleable, very pliable, and can be moved if the practitioner knows how to do it.

00:10:23.000 Yeah, I went to Rolfing at the suggestion, one of the guys from my jiu-jitsu class who had a bulging disc and dealt with it with Rolfing, and he went to this guy, but the guy was really wacky.

00:10:33.000 Well, they can be a little strange, some of these bodywork types, you know?

00:10:37.000 This guy was very wacky.

00:10:39.000 He also believed that Bruce Lee could kill people with one punch, and he kept telling me this, that, you know, Bruce Lee could kill people with just one punch. 0.91

00:10:48.000 I go... 0.91

00:10:49.000 Especially if it was a three-year-old kid or something. 1.00

00:10:51.000 Yeah, if it's like a fucking baby or something, you could probably kill him with one punch. 1.00

00:10:57.000 People have died with one punch, but it's not normal. 1.00

00:11:00.000 When a guy kills a guy with one punch, like this idea that he's got a gun in his hand, and he just... 0.99

00:11:05.000 Just shoot people. 0.81

00:11:08.000 So this guy was a little wacky, and he had some very interesting ideas about what he was doing. 0.98

00:11:13.000 He would push down your ribs and think it would release your neck, and I wasn't exactly sure if there was a lot of logic about how he was doing it.

00:11:19.000 Well, there may be something to that, Joe, you know, because of the way the connected tissue spirals through the body.

00:11:23.000 How does that work?

00:11:25.000 Well, have you ever seen, what do they call that, the plasticized man, that exhibit where they...

00:11:31.000 Yes, the body works. 0.99

00:11:32.000 The body works.

00:11:33.000 Amazing.

00:11:33.000 You ever see the fascial part of that?

00:11:36.000 Yes.

00:11:36.000 How the guy ever figured out the chemicals to use to dissolve away all other tissues and leave the one intact that he wanted is just mind-blowing.

00:11:45.000 But anyway, it looks like DNA strands all spiraled up.

00:11:49.000 So really, truly, your ankle bone is connected to your neck bone.

00:11:53.000 And if one part of your body is out of alignment, right, or, you know, stress or immobilized, it can cause some problems in other areas of the body.

00:12:02.000 Well, this guy would, like, push down on your ribs with his elbows, like, to loosen up things in your back.

00:12:08.000 It'd be unbelievably painful to just dig in your, you know, his elbow into your ribs and moving things around.

00:12:14.000 And then he'd have you stand up and he'd look at you.

00:12:17.000 See if you're leaning to the left or leaning to the right and where your posture is.

00:12:21.000 I don't know about all that, but when he got down to business on your back and would, you know, break, it would, you want to tap out.

00:12:27.000 I mean, it's really bad.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, it's pretty bad.

00:12:29.000 It's pretty bad.

00:12:29.000 But, boy, when you leave, it's like everything is just kind of moving better.

00:12:34.000 You feel taller?

00:12:35.000 Yeah, well, you feel, I don't ever feel tall, I'm short.

00:12:38.000 So are you, pal.

00:12:40.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:12:41.000 But I definitely felt looser.

00:12:44.000 I felt more relieved.

00:12:47.000 And I think that there's a lot of folks that go out there And they, you know, they hit the gym, they lift weights, they'll do jujitsu, do all these different things, but they never get massaged.

00:12:56.000 And I think they're doing themselves a huge disservice.

00:12:59.000 You know, I've said that to many, many jujitsu guys.

00:13:03.000 Like, if you can, just at least once a week, just go to one of those Thai massages and have one of those people work on you.

00:13:10.000 Or if you can, go to a real good sports medicine place and have someone do some deep tissue on you.

00:13:15.000 Makes a world of difference.

00:13:16.000 Well, I mean, think about the nature of the sport, right?

00:13:19.000 You're basically trying to hurt each other as much as possible.

00:13:21.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 You're trying to inflict as much pain or choke the guy to sleep.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:26.000 So, I mean, for sure, it takes a toll on the body.

00:13:28.000 And you have to do these things in order to keep yourself in alignment because there's just no way you can do heavy combat sports like that without suffering.

00:13:36.000 So you're going to definitely get knocked out of alignment, have things move that...

00:13:41.000 Shouldn't be moved.

00:13:42.000 And you need someone to kind of put them back in place.

00:13:44.000 And a lot of times you can't do it on your own.

00:13:47.000 Yeah.

00:13:47.000 I mean, the foam rolling and a lot of times mobility exercises work pretty good for that, self-treatment.

00:13:54.000 But usually after a couple days and that stuff isn't working, that's when you know it's time to get to...

00:13:59.000 A therapist to actually put stuff back in place for you.

00:14:22.000 But, you know, sometimes that just doesn't work, and that's when you know it's time to get to the therapist.

00:14:28.000 Yeah, it's one of the things that I'm finding out through this last year, because this last year has been the year of this back injury that I had, which is way better now.

00:14:38.000 I mean, now I'm lifting heavy kettlebells and doing all these different things.

00:14:41.000 No problem, no pain during the day.

00:14:43.000 And, you know, I've only been doing this for like 10 minutes, this new chair, but I think this might help me too.

00:14:48.000 But what I'm learning is how many people get injured and then don't take care of it.

00:14:54.000 They just keep working, they keep training, they try to work around it, and it winds up getting really bad.

00:15:00.000 Or ignore it.

00:15:01.000 Yeah.

00:15:01.000 It's crazy, isn't it?

00:15:02.000 It is very crazy, because I'm running into a series of these guys, once I started opening up about this, whether it's from the underground, guys that I know on Twitter, or guys that I know from Jiu Jitsu class, who now have atrophy.

00:15:14.000 And according to the doctor that administers that Regenikine, that blood spinning procedure that I had done to reduce inflammation, he says once you have atrophy, like, that's really bad.

00:15:25.000 He's like, a lot of people think they're going to have atrophy and they're going to put it off and put it off.

00:15:29.000 It's like, if you have that for more than, like, you know, X amount of months, a lot of times those nerves never get fully, they never return 100%.

00:15:38.000 He said that there's surgery that they have to do to open up the pathways to alleviate the pressure on those nerves.

00:15:45.000 And if that doesn't happen, if you don't do that, like, you run the chance of...

00:15:50.000 Having permanent atrophy of your muscles and having permanent loss of function of your limbs.

00:15:56.000 Well, it blows my mind how people just don't pay attention to their body.

00:16:00.000 Like, pain is a signal that something's wrong.

00:16:02.000 I mean, something's definitely wrong.

00:16:04.000 And to ignore it and just keep pushing and driving through.

00:16:07.000 And of course, you know, MMA guys, jiu-jitsu guys, wrestlers, you know, gridiron football, rugby guys, they're pretty tough guys.

00:16:16.000 And a lot of times they just, you know, are very stoic.

00:16:20.000 And love doing what they do and just don't want to stop and will just continue to drive themselves, you know, long after they should instead of just taking care of it.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, and you got to know when to tap out.

00:16:31.000 You also got to know that if you don't, there's guys that like let themselves get injured, you know, they're like, oh, I'm not tapping.

00:16:39.000 If you tap, you learn the same mistake than not tapping.

00:16:43.000 The mistake is you got yourself into a bad position.

00:16:46.000 Something went wrong.

00:16:47.000 You got your arm caught.

00:16:48.000 You either didn't respect the person or the person was better than you and they set you up and they got you.

00:16:53.000 And they got you.

00:16:54.000 And they got you and that's it.

00:16:55.000 You got got.

00:16:56.000 And there's a certain point where you have to realize you got got and you got to tap.

00:17:00.000 Because if you don't tap and you get your elbow snapped, A, it might not ever be the same again and B, you're going to be out for a long time.

00:17:08.000 A long time.

00:17:08.000 Well, it's one thing if you're in the world championships.

00:17:11.000 Right.

00:17:11.000 Yeah, right.

00:17:12.000 And you're a black belt and you're a fighter.

00:17:15.000 That's what you do.

00:17:16.000 Or you're in an MMA event.

00:17:18.000 Right.

00:17:18.000 Like John Jones versus Vitor Belfort.

00:17:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:21.000 Okay, so you might risk getting your elbow snapped.

00:17:24.000 Yeah.

00:17:25.000 But for the average guy in the gym or even just like a local tournament, come on, man.

00:17:29.000 Yeah.

00:17:30.000 Once you're actually caught...

00:17:33.000 The technique's already there.

00:17:34.000 You already made the mistake.

00:17:36.000 Yeah.

00:17:36.000 So acknowledge the mistake, tap out, and forget about it.

00:17:40.000 Just like, you know, it'd be like being thrown out in a softball game or whatever, right?

00:17:45.000 But guys, they put too much emphasis on never getting caught or I can't get caught or whatever.

00:17:50.000 But to get out of whatever hole you've been caught in, it's just zoo strength.

00:17:55.000 It has nothing to do with technique.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 I mean, a good guy, if he gets you, you're got.

00:17:59.000 It's an interesting thing, isn't it?

00:18:01.000 People don't like getting thrown out in softball.

00:18:05.000 Nobody likes when you hit a fly ball and someone catches it.

00:18:08.000 But if it's a softball game and everybody's drinking beers and you're having burgers, it's no big deal.

00:18:14.000 But if you're on the mat and you're doing jujitsu and someone catches you with something, there's so much pride and machismo involved in that position, in that situation.

00:18:24.000 And if you can get out of it, you know, yeah, you didn't get me. 0.97

00:18:28.000 You know, even though your arm's all fucked up. 0.85

00:18:30.000 Like, I've not tapped the things before and got out of it and been okay. 0.98

00:18:33.000 But then my arm is fucked up for months.

00:18:36.000 You know, like, I had a bad elbow for probably three months. 0.87

00:18:40.000 Because one guard pass, I'm passing, and you know, sometimes you pass, you leave your arm out a little bit.

00:18:44.000 Try to bait the guy to go for a Kimura so you can try to get over the knees. 0.97

00:18:48.000 And as I'm passing and he locked in the Kimura, I'm like, oh shit, like this is tight. 1.00

00:18:52.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:18:53.000 And I'm trying to figure out, do I tap here or do I keep going, pop, pop, you know, powered out of it. 0.99

00:18:59.000 But then I couldn't do chin-ups.

00:19:01.000 Then you suffer.

00:19:02.000 For like months.

00:19:03.000 For months.

00:19:04.000 For months.

00:19:04.000 It's like, you know, it's like one of those deals where you feel the pain, maybe like just a little bit.

00:19:13.000 But the problem with something like jiu-jitsu or even wrestling sometimes, it goes from zero to 100 in just a brief blink.

00:19:20.000 Like heel hooks. 0.85

00:19:20.000 And then by that point, it's already too late. 0.85

00:19:23.000 So the risk-to-benefit ratio, the idea, oh, I got out of it versus not being able to train for weeks or even months, just never makes it worth it.

00:19:35.000 And that's one of the big differences as you get older.

00:19:38.000 A guy my age in his 60s, no way, man.

00:19:41.000 Tap early, tap often.

00:19:42.000 You get really smart.

00:19:44.000 That's the key to doing jujitsu for a lifetime.

00:19:48.000 You just learn, hey man, you got me.

00:19:51.000 Great job.

00:19:52.000 I don't care if it's a white belt, whatever. 0.95

00:19:54.000 You got it.

00:19:56.000 Okay, I made a mistake.

00:19:58.000 Let's just keep playing, man.

00:19:59.000 If you teach them the technique correctly and they get in the right position and your arm is deep in their crotch and they got your thumb up and they're pulling on it, they got it.

00:20:09.000 They got it.

00:20:10.000 I mean, they might not be able to hang on to it because they're not familiar with the position.

00:20:15.000 If you watch Ronda Rousey, she's the best example, I think, of someone who knows how to hold an armbar. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Not just keep an armbar, not just catch an armbar, but hold it through all of the transitions.

00:20:27.000 People can flip over, they can kick their legs over, they can try to roll, and she just keeps it. 1.00

00:20:33.000 She keeps adjusting and she keeps rolling with it.

00:20:36.000 She's the best at that.

00:20:37.000 And that's kind of the difference between a real legit black belt like Rhonda and someone who's never done it before, maybe just learning the technique.

00:20:45.000 And maybe you can kind of get out because if you just turn your arm a little bit and now your elbow's up instead of down and there's no pressure on it, you can kind of If you're good, you can kind of get out of the position.

00:20:56.000 That sort of is the difference between, you know, maybe someone like...

00:20:59.000 Maybe the difference between a purple belt and a black belt.

00:21:01.000 The difference between a white belt and a purple belt.

00:21:03.000 You know, there's like the ability to hang on longer.

00:21:06.000 The ability to adjust.

00:21:08.000 Because one of the beautiful things about Jiu-Jitsu is...

00:21:10.000 Jiu-Jitsu is like...

00:21:12.000 The exact opposite of something that is easy and predictable and like a Nautilus machine.

00:21:21.000 You push that thing forward, it's going to go on the same track every time.

00:21:26.000 But when you're grappling with a person, even if you know how to execute the technique with the perfect leverage and all that...

00:21:33.000 People are moving and resisting, and it's a little bit different every time, and their foot's in a little different position every time, and their arms are a little bit different, and it's so interesting in that sense where you're constantly adjusting.

00:21:46.000 It's like a fingerprint or a snowflake.

00:21:48.000 Every time you do it, it's just a little bit different.

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:52.000 I'll tell you a funny story.

00:21:53.000 As some of your listeners know, I had the first jiu-jitsu academy in the Eastern Seaboard, in the East Coast.

00:21:59.000 Maxercise.

00:22:00.000 Maxercise.

00:22:00.000 And at one point, we had a guy by the name of Jeff Tomlinson who was a Philadelphia Eagle football player.

00:22:07.000 This guy was probably about 6'5", 275 at the time, if I remember correctly.

00:22:13.000 Unbelievably strong and lean and slim.

00:22:16.000 He was the darling of the Super Bowl, the year that the Eagles went to the Super Bowl in Jacksonville.

00:22:23.000 He was called up.

00:22:24.000 He had actually been released from the team, but they had a couple injuries, and they called him in and went in there and caught a couple of touchdown passes.

00:22:30.000 So he comes to my jiu-jitsu class, and it's like, whoa, wait, man.

00:22:36.000 Jiu-jitsu was designed to protect us from guys like you, man.

00:22:39.000 What do you do with a guy?

00:22:40.000 I mean, just ungodly strong.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 He came to my kettlebell class.

00:22:44.000 It's the first time I ever had to break out like a 48-kilogram kettlebell just to teach those guys swings.

00:22:49.000 What is a 48-kilogram?

00:22:50.000 What is that?

00:22:50.000 About 100 pounds.

00:22:51.000 That's 100?

00:22:52.000 I mean, he was just like doing front uprises with, you know, front raises with his shoulders.

00:22:57.000 He was just so ridiculously strong.

00:22:59.000 So he gets going with one of my brown butts at the time, a fellow by the name of Ron Huxin, who lives in Hawaii.

00:23:05.000 He teaches in Hawaii now, but at that time, Ronnie was a brown belt.

00:23:09.000 And Ron gets him, of course, you know, in an arm block, right?

00:23:11.000 From the mount.

00:23:13.000 And the guy literally does a Turkish getup with Ronnie.

00:23:16.000 Literally lifts him up.

00:23:18.000 How much does Ronnie weigh?

00:23:19.000 Probably about 148 pounds at the time, 150. And, you know, this guy's like 275. He literally does a Turkish getup and is putting Ron's head through the ceiling.

00:23:26.000 And I remember screaming because, you know, this guy was like really an important part of our team.

00:23:31.000 Don't hurt.

00:23:32.000 Don't break Ronnie.

00:23:33.000 Don't break Ronnie.

00:23:33.000 Put him down.

00:23:34.000 Put him down. 0.91

00:23:35.000 It was insane, man.

00:23:37.000 Just insane just how strong some people can be.

00:23:40.000 Especially people that are like real super athletes like football players, guys that have been slamming into other 300 pound men for years and hitting sleds and doing power cleans and just...

00:23:51.000 Just all sorts of stuff, man.

00:23:53.000 Their bodies just so designed to just pick up and move heavy things.

00:23:56.000 The average person, like...

00:23:58.000 I remember I was in Phoenix one night, and I don't know who this guy was.

00:24:02.000 He was some pro athlete.

00:24:03.000 I have no idea who he was.

00:24:04.000 But he was...

00:24:06.000 At this gym that I was working out at.

00:24:08.000 And it was like we were all like little children.

00:24:12.000 Like little children wandering around the gym.

00:24:14.000 And this giant showed up.

00:24:16.000 He wasn't even like a giant amongst men.

00:24:18.000 I mean, he was so big.

00:24:20.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:24:21.000 He was some pro football player.

00:24:22.000 But he was so big.

00:24:24.000 I felt like a tiny child.

00:24:26.000 Like, not like, well, that's a big man and I'm a small man.

00:24:29.000 Like, I wasn't even the same species of this guy.

00:24:32.000 He was probably like 6'7", 6'8", somewhere around then.

00:24:37.000 370 pounds-ish.

00:24:38.000 Just enormous man.

00:24:40.000 And you see a person like that and you go, all the self-defense stuff is all...

00:24:46.000 Forget about it.

00:24:47.000 It's all out the window.

00:24:48.000 Strength and size does matter.

00:24:50.000 Of course it matters.

00:24:51.000 When it's that big.

00:24:52.000 The first time I realized this, there was a guy that...

00:24:55.000 I worked at the first Nautilus gym in...

00:24:59.000 The Philadelphia area.

00:25:00.000 It's actually the first one in Pennsylvania.

00:25:02.000 And there was a guy, I think his name was Ron Chandler or Rick Chandler.

00:25:06.000 He played center for the New York Jets.

00:25:08.000 It's the first time I was exposed to an NFL football player.

00:25:11.000 And I had just no idea how unbelievably fast and strong and powerful these guys are.

00:25:16.000 And, of course, I was wrestling for the college wrestling team.

00:25:19.000 I thought I was pretty badass.

00:25:21.000 And I probably weighed—I was a lot heavier back then, maybe about 177. And we get to messing around, and this guy literally just grabbed me by the ankle and picked me upside down.

00:25:32.000 I'm not kidding.

00:25:33.000 Just holding me at arm's length like I was a child.

00:25:37.000 And it was just, whoa!

00:25:39.000 I just never felt such power and such strength in all my life.

00:25:44.000 And, I mean, that's, you know, let's face it, that's pretty much the elite of the elite, right?

00:25:48.000 As far as power athletes go?

00:25:49.000 Yeah.

00:25:49.000 They all go to the NFL, man, where they can make some money.

00:25:52.000 The only other thing I would think of would be, like, those guys that do those strongman competitions. 0.94

00:25:56.000 Those guys are pretty ridiculous, but... 0.98

00:25:58.000 Pretty crazy strong. 1.00

00:25:59.000 Have you noticed that there's that one guy...

00:26:01.000 It's not Magnus.

00:26:02.000 What is the guy's name that's been fighting in MMA? God, what is his name?

00:26:07.000 Oh, the German guy. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.000 No, he's Polish.

00:26:11.000 Manford.

00:26:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:12.000 Oh, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. 0.99

00:26:14.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:26:15.000 Oh, Pucinowski. 1.00

00:26:17.000 Pucinowski.

00:26:17.000 Yeah.

00:26:18.000 Huge guy, but not doing so well in MMA. You know, he got manhandled by Tim Sylvia, which was a fascinating fight, because Tim Sylvia, obviously a very skilled guy.

00:26:30.000 I don't know why Pucinowski took that fight.

00:26:32.000 A lot of people...

00:26:33.000 Tim Sylvia has sort of an awkward build.

00:26:38.000 He's kind of pigeon-toed. 0.83

00:26:40.000 He's an enormous guy.

00:26:41.000 Tim is, I think he's like 6'7 or something like that.

00:26:44.000 Tim's a very big guy.

00:26:45.000 But he's also got a lot of extra body fat on him.

00:26:49.000 And you can pull the video up.

00:26:50.000 There's a video of them fighting.

00:26:52.000 And, you know, Pujanowski just...

00:26:55.000 It was just so outclassed.

00:26:57.000 It was like, who let you fight a former MMA champion?

00:27:01.000 A former UFC champion?

00:27:03.000 Well, you know, a lot of the times these guys, they have a lot of confidence.

00:27:07.000 And he is a real master at his particular sport.

00:27:11.000 But that's where they make their mistake, thinking that somehow that mastery in one thing is going to make them better in something else.

00:27:18.000 And okay, if I were to fight that guy, it would be a nightmare for me.

00:27:22.000 But when you get against somebody your own size and your own weight, everything changes for these guys.

00:27:30.000 Look at him.

00:27:32.000 And that's, by the way, he's lost a lot of weight.

00:27:35.000 He used to be way bigger when he was just doing strongman stuff, because when he was just doing strongman stuff, he was just all muscle. 0.93

00:27:43.000 But Tim's a big fucking guy, too, and Tim is really long. 1.00

00:27:47.000 Tim just beat his ass, man. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Plus, he has the requisite skills, you know? 1.00

00:27:51.000 I mean, the skill set is everything in a martial art or a combat sport like that.

00:27:57.000 Skill will so often overcome just raw strength and raw power.

00:28:02.000 No, 100%.

00:28:02.000 Keep playing it.

00:28:03.000 It's interesting to watch because Pujanowski is so physically strong, but all that gets countered by the technique of Sylvia.

00:28:12.000 I mean, if these guys were in a weightlifting contest...

00:28:14.000 You know, he probably might be able to lift twice as much as Sylvia, but he rag-dogs Tim to the ground. 0.99

00:28:19.000 What does Tim do?

00:28:20.000 He just gets back up.

00:28:22.000 Now Pujanowski's going to start getting tired.

00:28:24.000 Very exhausting taking a big guy down like that over and over and over and over again like that.

00:28:29.000 And so disheartening if you blow your entire wad taking a guy down and then he just springs right back up to his feet.

00:28:34.000 And a lot of these guys, they just have no clue on just the endurance aspect of this game.

00:28:40.000 No.

00:28:41.000 There's nothing like it.

00:28:42.000 Plus the adrenaline dump.

00:28:44.000 I mean, imagine.

00:28:44.000 It's like one of his first fights.

00:28:46.000 He's in front of thousands and thousands of people.

00:28:48.000 I mean, you get that adrenaline dump and it just is so exhausting.

00:28:53.000 He turned purple like a grape as the fight went on.

00:28:57.000 You start to see it now.

00:28:58.000 What is that from?

00:28:59.000 All the blood is rushing to your skin?

00:29:01.000 Is that what it is?

00:29:01.000 Yeah.

00:29:02.000 A lot of times these guys aren't breathing properly.

00:29:04.000 The breath holding.

00:29:07.000 We talked about this last time, the vasava sink, where there's a partial glottal closure, and they're making these grunts, and their blood pressure's building up.

00:29:16.000 That in itself, not knowing how to breathe, very exhausting.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, that was one of the things that separated Hickson from a lot of the other jiu-jitsu guys was his work with yoga.

00:29:26.000 That video, Choke. 1.00

00:29:29.000 The DVD Choke, the documentary, it's fascinating.

00:29:32.000 Fascinating in a lot of ways, but really fascinating watching him do that diaphragm thing. 1.00

00:29:37.000 The diaphragm, yeah.

00:29:38.000 His son Krohn was on here and he was explaining the diaphragm thing and talking about how much emphasis he puts on breathing in his training.

00:29:46.000 That stomach churning is supposedly really good for digestion.

00:29:51.000 It's like an internal massage for your organs and so forth.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, it seems like it would be.

00:29:55.000 The breath he was using is called breath of fire or bellows breath.

00:29:59.000 But it's interesting, you know, there's different in Ayurvedic medicine, which was the original medical system in the world.

00:30:07.000 It's like a 5,000-year-old system of medicine.

00:30:11.000 There's different constitutional types, and there's different types of breathing for each constitutional type.

00:30:17.000 So for your listeners out there, not everyone should be doing that particular type of breath set.

00:30:22.000 It can build up too much heat in certain constitutional types.

00:30:26.000 Really?

00:30:26.000 Yeah.

00:30:27.000 There's 13 different pranayamic breath types, and they're all therapeutic.

00:30:31.000 The breath is like medicine if it's applied properly for regaining balance in your body and your system.

00:30:37.000 There's the vata, the pitta, and the kapha. 0.82

00:30:40.000 And Hickson's a Kapha, and that type of breathing system is fantastic for him. 1.00

00:30:44.000 But it wouldn't be so good for me.

00:30:45.000 There's other types of breathing for me.

00:30:47.000 Well, how would you know?

00:30:48.000 Well, you've got to study this stuff.

00:30:50.000 But what would make you different from him?

00:30:52.000 Your constitutional type is set at birth.

00:30:54.000 Just like, you know, you've heard of ectomorph, endomorph, mesomorph.

00:30:57.000 Sort of a similar classification.

00:31:00.000 And there's different ways that you...

00:31:02.000 I mean, if you want to actually find out online, you can Google this and find out what type of constitutional type you are.

00:31:10.000 And then certain dietary, for example, for me, being a pitta, very heat, I produce too much heat, excess heat.

00:31:21.000 Eating spicy food, for example, is a horrible thing for a guy like me.

00:31:24.000 Really?

00:31:24.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 What is this based on?

00:31:26.000 Ayurvedics. 0.96

00:31:27.000 It was empirical evidence that, I mean, the ancients weren't stupid. 0.80

00:31:31.000 They didn't have our technology, but they did have the power of observation.

00:31:35.000 And these people, you know, just imagine how they figured out herbal medicine.

00:31:39.000 Right.

00:31:40.000 Which is around a long time before the pharmaceutical companies.

00:31:43.000 So what would I Google if I was trying to look this up?

00:31:45.000 Just Ayurvedic medicine, A-U-R-Y-V-E-D-I-C. And then look at the dosha types, or D-O-S-H-A, dosha.

00:31:55.000 I think?

00:32:09.000 And he had a little test in the book.

00:32:11.000 This is back, oh, I don't know, probably like 25 years ago I took this test and discovered that I indeed was a pitta.

00:32:19.000 And how did you discover it?

00:32:21.000 Well, there's this whole line of questions.

00:32:24.000 And you're able to find out your type.

00:32:27.000 But I've also been to Dr. Ladd's clinic in New Mexico, in Albuquerque.

00:32:34.000 And he's an aerobatic physician.

00:32:37.000 Vesat Lad.

00:32:39.000 He's a well-respected Ayurvedic physician.

00:32:42.000 And he also has a medical degree.

00:32:44.000 And he has a clinic also in Mumbai, India.

00:32:48.000 And there I also was typed by professionals.

00:32:54.000 And I did what they call a panchakarma, which is a cleanse.

00:32:58.000 I pretty much didn't eat anything but this real thin type of soup.

00:33:02.000 It's just like a broth for a week.

00:33:05.000 And then had all sorts of treatments.

00:33:07.000 It's a real good cleansing.

00:33:10.000 Helped the body detoxify.

00:33:12.000 You know, this environment that we live in, especially in the United States, we're just beset with all sorts of pollutants, air, water.

00:33:21.000 Toxins in the food.

00:33:22.000 Your body is capable of ridding itself of all that stuff once it's not burdened by digestion.

00:33:28.000 Huh.

00:33:29.000 These questions are very strange.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, well...

00:33:32.000 What best describes how you act under stress?

00:33:35.000 But see, your emotions are also geared towards...

00:33:38.000 In other words, your constitutional type will affect your emotional outlook and even your mental outlook.

00:33:44.000 So it's, you know, body, mind, and spirit.

00:33:46.000 They're not looking just at physical symptoms like Western medicine.

00:33:49.000 They're looking at the whole package.

00:33:52.000 You know, what makes Steve Maxwell Steve Maxwell?

00:33:54.000 What makes Joe Rogan Joe Rogan?

00:33:56.000 So it's looking at the total package, the way you think, you know, your belief systems, your emotional system, your physical.

00:34:06.000 And no one's just one type, just one constitutional type.

00:34:09.000 Of course, we're mixtures of all these things.

00:34:12.000 And sometimes you can have an imbalance and actually manifest different aspects of other constitutional types.

00:34:22.000 This is fascinating.

00:34:24.000 It is very fascinating.

00:34:25.000 And it is the oldest medical system.

00:34:26.000 It's been around for a long time.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, I'm filling out this form.

00:34:29.000 I'm trying to find out what I am.

00:34:31.000 I'm just guessing, just from looking at you, that you're probably a Kapha, but perhaps not Kapha. 0.98

00:34:37.000 It'd be interesting.

00:34:38.000 A kapha. 0.99

00:34:39.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 I like to be active.

00:34:41.000 It's hard to sit still.

00:34:42.000 Boom.

00:34:43.000 Enjoy activity that has a purpose, especially competitive.

00:34:46.000 Well, that's true, too.

00:34:48.000 I like leisurely activities.

00:34:49.000 I like all three of those.

00:34:50.000 How do you describe that?

00:34:53.000 I'll go with B, competitive.

00:34:55.000 Which best describes your walking style?

00:34:58.000 Got a walking style?

00:34:59.000 Yeah, there's a walking style.

00:35:01.000 What's the choices?

00:35:02.000 I walk quickly.

00:35:03.000 I have a determined walk.

00:35:04.000 I walk slow and steady at a leisurely pace.

00:35:07.000 Slow and steady at a leisurely pace.

00:35:08.000 I was watching your gait when you were walking out to the car.

00:35:11.000 Okay.

00:35:11.000 You walk like a very strong, confident kind of guy.

00:35:13.000 That would be a coffee.

00:35:15.000 Okay.

00:35:16.000 Which best describes your mood?

00:35:17.000 My mood changes quickly.

00:35:18.000 My moods change slowly.

00:35:19.000 My moods are mostly steady.

00:35:22.000 Probably steady.

00:35:22.000 Seeming like a pretty steady guy.

00:35:24.000 Yeah, pretty steady guy.

00:35:25.000 Which best describes your memory?

00:35:27.000 I learn quick and forget quickly.

00:35:29.000 That's me.

00:35:30.000 I have a good memory, but I have a good memory too.

00:35:32.000 I learn slowly, but I have a good long-term memory.

00:35:36.000 Well, you have a hell of a mind for facts and figures.

00:35:39.000 But only if I care.

00:35:41.000 That's the problem.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, well, I mean, isn't it the way it is with everything?

00:35:43.000 Because, I mean, some of the statistics you come up with on the fighters during the show, you know their coaches, where they trained their records. 0.96

00:35:51.000 Joe, your memory is like a freaking elephant, man. 0.85

00:35:54.000 But that's only if I care. 0.99

00:35:55.000 Well, of course.

00:35:55.000 If you ask me about something that I don't care about.

00:35:57.000 Like, people always ask me, like, when you're talking about fights, like, are you basing this off notes?

00:36:03.000 No.

00:36:04.000 Almost all the stuff that I talk about during the fights is just stuff that I remember, if I remember fights.

00:36:10.000 And it's just mind-blowing.

00:36:11.000 But I do have a sheet that's in front of me that gives me a fighter's record, but it's very rare that I reference it.

00:36:17.000 Almost all of it is just...

00:36:18.000 But that's just because I'm a fan of the sport.

00:36:21.000 But if you ask me things about...

00:36:24.000 I don't know, the Oliver North trial or something like that.

00:36:27.000 But, I mean, your mind only has but so much capacity.

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:32.000 So, I mean...

00:36:34.000 What best describes your organization style?

00:36:37.000 I'm good at getting things started, but not at getting things done.

00:36:40.000 I'm very organized and I can focus on a project from start to finish.

00:36:43.000 I need help getting things started, but I am good at seeing things through to the finish.

00:36:48.000 I'm none of those things.

00:36:50.000 Well, sometimes you can be all those things in different situations.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, we'll just go with A. Alright, congratulations.

00:36:57.000 You finished the quiz.

00:36:59.000 Wait a moment while we get your results.

00:37:02.000 Okay.

00:37:03.000 Be curious.

00:37:04.000 I mean, there's so many different tests for this out of anything. 0.98

00:37:07.000 Where the fuck am I? Come on. 0.99

00:37:09.000 Come on.

00:37:10.000 I'm trying to come up with the answer.

00:37:12.000 Okay, this is indicative of a Veda type.

00:37:16.000 This is indicative of a Peta type.

00:37:18.000 This is indicative of a Kapha type. 1.00

00:37:20.000 This is indicative of a Kapha type. 1.00

00:37:21.000 This is indicative of a Peta.

00:37:23.000 I got all of them, man.

00:37:24.000 You're a Peta Kapha. 0.97

00:37:26.000 I'm all of them.

00:37:27.000 Well, everyone is part of each one, but you're going to be predominantly one or the other.

00:37:33.000 It doesn't say, though.

00:37:35.000 But there's much more in-depth tests. 0.99

00:37:37.000 This sucks. 0.97

00:37:39.000 Went through all this? 1.00

00:37:40.000 Might have been a bogus test.

00:37:41.000 Well, yeah, it's probably some westernized test, right?

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:45.000 I mean, some American version of the ancient tests.

00:37:48.000 Obviously, it's in English.

00:37:49.000 The translations are probably a bit funky.

00:37:51.000 I was actually typed by a professional in the profession.

00:37:55.000 I found it to be quite true for me personally.

00:37:58.000 That's interesting.

00:37:59.000 So you went to an actual specialist to do this.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, I did.

00:38:02.000 And when you find out your body type or you find out...

00:38:06.000 There's a dietary regimen that goes along with this, and there's even exercise that's more beneficial or less beneficial for different types.

00:38:14.000 And is the idea of balancing yourself?

00:38:19.000 Yeah, you want to keep as balanced as possible, and you have to be very careful with imbalances.

00:38:25.000 This is what manifests all sorts of illnesses, diseases, and so forth.

00:38:29.000 So food choices and exercise choices?

00:38:32.000 Like, for example, I mentioned spice for me is just a terrible thing because I don't need to produce any more heat in my body.

00:38:39.000 Excess heat would cause my joints to deteriorate and cause osteoarthritis and all sorts of stuff like that.

00:38:44.000 Really?

00:38:45.000 And that can be caused by spicy food?

00:38:47.000 Yeah, by excess heat in the system.

00:38:49.000 That's correct, but I didn't know that spicy food actually does generate heat.

00:38:53.000 It creates inflammation.

00:38:54.000 Oh.

00:38:54.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 Hmm.

00:38:56.000 But see, for certain dosha types, like the vada or the kapha, it can be quite stimulating.

00:39:01.000 They need that.

00:39:02.000 Well, what type would be the type that eats a lot of hot food? 0.97

00:39:05.000 Well, vadas, for example, are kind of skinny and they have an asymmetry to their body.

00:39:10.000 So that can be really good for them to help energize them.

00:39:13.000 For a kapha, they tend to put on weight, unwanted body fat and weight. 1.00

00:39:18.000 And sometimes the more spicy type foods would be good for helping rev up their metabolism.

00:39:23.000 Like the chili and that type of stuff.

00:39:25.000 That's been shown to...

00:39:26.000 And they even put that in some of the fat loss formulas.

00:39:29.000 Maybe you guys actually sell one of those fat loss formulas with your...

00:39:33.000 No, you don't have any fat burners on your... 1.00

00:39:35.000 I don't believe in any of that shit. 1.00

00:39:36.000 Well, I mean... 1.00

00:39:37.000 I really have a problem.

00:39:38.000 Coffee's your best, I mean.

00:39:39.000 Coffee?

00:39:40.000 Yeah, I mean, just your caffeine.

00:39:41.000 Well, I just think that that way out, that everyone's looking for fat burners, it's this one pill fix thing to a very complex issue.

00:39:50.000 The excess body fat issue is a very complex issue.

00:39:53.000 It's very complex.

00:39:54.000 I mean, it's very emotional with a lot of people.

00:39:57.000 Sure.

00:39:58.000 There's so much going on.

00:39:59.000 So much going on.

00:40:00.000 Yeah, and the idea that you're going to fix that with a pill.

00:40:02.000 With a pill.

00:40:02.000 But see, that's one of the problems I have with a lot of supplements.

00:40:05.000 I know you sell supplements.

00:40:07.000 I'm not...

00:40:08.000 I want you to speak as freely as possible.

00:40:10.000 There was a time when I had almost a $300 a month habit.

00:40:14.000 Seriously.

00:40:16.000 A couple things that I've come to the conclusion.

00:40:19.000 Once I stopped, I didn't notice a damn bit of difference.

00:40:22.000 Right.

00:40:22.000 But there is a difference between just trying to go for general health and trying to maximize your potential as a competitive athlete.

00:40:31.000 When you're trying to maximize your competitive potential, okay, maybe this might give you like a 1% or 2% edge or something, or 3%.

00:40:39.000 But if you're elite, that's maybe all you need to be a champion or champion.

00:40:46.000 Win the worlds or something like that.

00:40:47.000 Yeah, that's one extra punch landed.

00:40:49.000 Exactly.

00:40:49.000 One extra takedown defended.

00:40:51.000 But for general health, there's not an animal on God's earth that needs supplements.

00:40:58.000 If you think about it, nature provided everything that every animal on the planet needs.

00:41:03.000 Think of how strong a bull gorilla is.

00:41:06.000 Or a water buffalo or a lion.

00:41:09.000 I mean, everything they need is provided by nature.

00:41:12.000 And us as the highest form of animal on the planet, I mean, what makes us think that God didn't provide this stuff or nature didn't provide?

00:41:21.000 For us.

00:41:23.000 People have to be willing to eat it, and they're not.

00:41:25.000 They want to, you know, TV dinners and, you know, nuke their food in the microwave and so forth.

00:41:33.000 And, you know, we were talking about how, you know, the damaging sugar is last time and how delicious it is.

00:41:38.000 And, you know, these fast food manufacturers, they're pretty insidious.

00:41:44.000 I mean, they know how to draw up a taste that is almost literally irresistible.

00:41:49.000 Some people even say addictive.

00:41:51.000 Well, it's certainly addictive.

00:41:52.000 There's sugars in certain foods and certain fast foods that...

00:41:55.000 Sugar's been shown to be one of the most addictive foods you could ever eat.

00:41:58.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:41:59.000 It's like freaking crap. 1.00

00:41:59.000 Incredibly addictive. 1.00

00:42:00.000 But the problem is when people are taking a lot of supplements somehow, they have a tendency to think that it's okay to eat that stuff.

00:42:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:42:08.000 And there's a lot...

00:42:09.000 See, they feel that somehow they're getting it in their pills and their potions.

00:42:12.000 Like they're covering their bases.

00:42:13.000 And their powders and all that.

00:42:14.000 And there's a lot less...

00:42:31.000 I mean, there's no raw fruits or raw vegetables.

00:42:36.000 On their menus.

00:42:37.000 It's like, wow.

00:42:39.000 How could you not at least have some?

00:42:42.000 Yeah, there's a lot of folks out there.

00:42:44.000 And it's all, you know, cooked, prepared foods.

00:42:46.000 Canned, bottled, stuffed and plastic wrappers.

00:42:49.000 It's like, wow.

00:42:51.000 But, you know, that's what's happened to us in modern society.

00:42:54.000 So, yes...

00:42:56.000 Probably there's no real harm in taking supplements for regular people.

00:43:00.000 Well, there's certain supplements that you're just not going to get the right amount with foods, like fish oil, like omega-3 fatty acids and things along those lines.

00:43:08.000 You would have to eat a shitload of fish every day to get the proper amount, to reduce inflammation, to increase cognitive abilities, to help muscle growth.

00:43:17.000 There's a lot of benefits of fish oil that's been shown, and it's incredibly difficult to get that amount of fish oil just from eating fish unless you're eating salmon, fatty salmon all day. 0.77

00:43:25.000 Or getting fish that isn't polluted with mercury and all that crap.

00:43:31.000 I had a problem once. 0.56

00:43:32.000 I went to a doctor.

00:43:33.000 I get blood work done just to see where I'm at and check to see if I'm healthy.

00:43:38.000 Make sure there's no issues in advance.

00:43:40.000 And the doctor told me that I had arsenic.

00:43:43.000 In my body.

00:43:45.000 And I was like, what?

00:43:46.000 Like, I'm being poisoned?

00:43:47.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:43:48.000 He's like, it's very low level.

00:43:50.000 Do you eat a lot of fish?

00:43:51.000 And I said, I eat sardines.

00:43:53.000 I was eating like a can of sardines a day.

00:43:55.000 Sometimes two cans a day.

00:43:56.000 I love sardines.

00:43:57.000 And he was like, well, stop doing that.

00:43:59.000 Because sardines live at the bottom of the ocean and they collect a lot of heavy metals and a lot of pollution.

00:44:04.000 And I stopped and it was gone.

00:44:06.000 But I was getting arsenic poisoning from sardines, which is crazy.

00:44:10.000 Well, it's a shame because sardines are delicious.

00:44:12.000 They're a great source of sulfur amino acids, which has been tied into anti-aging.

00:44:19.000 So it's a shame.

00:44:21.000 But yeah, our food sources are being ruined on the planet.

00:44:24.000 Slowly but surely.

00:44:25.000 Slowly but surely.

00:44:27.000 So there's no escape from it.

00:44:28.000 But that's one reason why I like to do the fasting.

00:44:31.000 Remember I mentioned the panchakarma, this detox thing?

00:44:34.000 Your body is able to throw a lot of these toxins off under the right conditions.

00:44:39.000 How much water are you drinking a day?

00:44:40.000 You know, I don't even measure, Joe.

00:44:42.000 I just drink when thirsty, pretty much.

00:44:43.000 So you don't have a big jug that you can drink?

00:44:46.000 No, no.

00:44:47.000 I think a lot of that was overplayed.

00:44:49.000 Do you?

00:44:49.000 Yeah.

00:44:50.000 I just don't think it's all that necessary to drink all that much.

00:44:54.000 Yeah, when people say – it's a weird thing.

00:44:58.000 Like they say you should have X amount of glasses of water a day or a gallon of water a day.

00:45:02.000 Like what is that based on?

00:45:04.000 I have no idea.

00:45:05.000 But I do know that one of your best sources for hydration is with raw fruits and raw vegetables.

00:45:11.000 And when you're getting a lot of this type of plant stuff, you're getting plenty of hydration.

00:45:15.000 Right, from fruits and vegetables.

00:45:16.000 Now, people that don't have any of that stuff, yeah, they probably do need to drink a little bit more.

00:45:22.000 But, yeah, I mean, for the most part, there's a lot of myths that are perpetrated out there for no rhyme or reason, you know?

00:45:29.000 And you just wonder, where does all this stuff come from?

00:45:32.000 Yeah, the water one was a big one.

00:45:34.000 Like, guys would walk around with these giant jugs of water, and they would say that the average person walks around dehydrated all the time.

00:45:40.000 But I would watch them, and they'd be peeing every 20 minutes, and I was like, you know, well, you're flushing your body out of toxins.

00:45:47.000 Like, Are you sure?

00:45:49.000 Are you sure?

00:45:50.000 It sounds to me like you're just overloading your kidneys with a lot of water for no good reason.

00:46:09.000 There's no sense worried about it for sure because the worry won't change a damn bit.

00:46:14.000 I am in favor of overheating baths.

00:46:16.000 I think it can be a really good thing for longevity.

00:46:18.000 I mean it's been since the time of – American Indians had their sweat lodge. 0.99

00:46:23.000 The Russians and the Finns had their saunas.

00:46:27.000 The Romans were very big on steam. 0.98

00:46:31.000 The Turks and so forth. 0.55

00:46:32.000 The Japanese, you know.

00:46:33.000 Everyone's used heating therapies for producing a good sweat.

00:46:37.000 And if you think about it, the skin's the largest organ in the body.

00:46:40.000 And you can eliminate a lot of waste out through the skin through perspiration.

00:46:47.000 And when you stimulate the skin to sweat, you can sweat out a lot of stuff.

00:46:54.000 Have you ever heard of infrared sauna?

00:46:56.000 Yes.

00:46:57.000 Well, you know, infrared sauna is so good at helping the body detoxify that drug and alcohol clinics actually install infrared saunas to help people kick drugs and alcohol and cigarettes and so forth.

00:47:09.000 That's incredible.

00:47:09.000 Yeah.

00:47:10.000 I mean, it's tried and true.

00:47:13.000 I mean, it does work.

00:47:14.000 And infrared sauna is way different than the old saunas we used to sit in as wrestlers, you know, just the hot box.

00:47:22.000 These infrared saunas, the temperature doesn't have to be nearly as high.

00:47:26.000 Man, my God, they feel so good.

00:47:28.000 The heat's very penetrating, and it's really good for recovery after hard training and so forth.

00:47:35.000 You'll have to try one sometime.

00:47:36.000 You might even want to look into putting a little mini one in your house or something.

00:47:40.000 I am, actually.

00:47:41.000 My wife has one that she climbs into like a sleeping bag. 1.00

00:47:45.000 It's in some weird sort of infrared sauna and she heats up and she loves this thing.

00:47:49.000 That's cool, man.

00:47:50.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick, one of the people that I've had on the podcast as a regular, she's fascinating and she's got so much knowledge.

00:47:58.000 And one of the things that she wrote a paper that was recently published, it's on the benefits of sauna and really incredible on hypothermic conditioning on muscle growth.

00:48:10.000 Oh, that's fascinating.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, and she was saying, you know, I would really not do it justice.

00:48:16.000 It's something that should be read and gone over because it's a very deep and in-depth paper that she published.

00:48:22.000 But it's all about the benefits of the sauna and the effect on hormone production and...

00:48:31.000 The effect of heat stress on the brain.

00:48:34.000 Really, really interesting stuff.

00:48:36.000 Heat stress has been shown to increase the expression of brain-derived neurotropic factor.

00:48:42.000 Whoa.

00:48:43.000 More than exercise alone, when used in conjunction with exercise, this is important because this brain-derived neurotropic factor increases the growth of new brain cells as well as the survival of existing neurons.

00:48:57.000 An increase in neurogenesis is thought to be responsible for enhancing learning.

00:49:01.000 It's incredible.

00:49:02.000 So exercise and sauna enhances learning. 0.99

00:49:05.000 Well, like I said, the ancients were not stupid people. 0.97

00:49:07.000 You know, we're so smug with our technology. 0.98

00:49:10.000 Yeah, we are, right?

00:49:11.000 But, you know, you take the average person and take him 50 miles out in the wilderness and let him go, he would probably die of fright.

00:49:18.000 He wouldn't even be, you know?

00:49:19.000 And you take a child, even as little as 200 years ago, and they would be perfectly comfortable living in their environment.

00:49:26.000 You know, that's what technology has done for us.

00:49:28.000 We can't even go from point A to point B without our iPhone or our GPS. Right.

00:49:35.000 I wonder what's going on with that.

00:49:37.000 You know, when you look at people that used to live a long time ago and used to be able to survive out in the woods and survive without technology, and then you look at...

00:49:45.000 You ever watch that show Naked and Afraid?

00:49:47.000 I have not.

00:49:48.000 It's a fascinating show because they take people and they take their clothes off and then they leave them in the jungle.

00:49:54.000 Oh, I did hear about this.

00:49:55.000 It's funny. 1.00

00:49:55.000 The most fucking ridiculous show ever. 1.00

00:49:57.000 Well, wait. 1.00

00:49:58.000 How the hell do they show that kind of nudity on TV? They just blur out their crotch. 0.99

00:50:01.000 Okay. 0.99

00:50:02.000 They blur out their breasts and blur out their crotch. 1.00

00:50:04.000 And, you know, it's a couple. 0.99

00:50:06.000 A man and a woman.

00:50:07.000 And I don't know if they have any sex.

00:50:11.000 I would imagine...

00:50:12.000 Did they know each other before the show?

00:50:13.000 Nope.

00:50:14.000 Oh.

00:50:15.000 Yeah.

00:50:15.000 And also, they're naked together.

00:50:17.000 Now we're going to have to tune in.

00:50:18.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 It's a fascinating show.

00:50:20.000 Well...

00:50:21.000 Fascinating depending upon who the contestants are.

00:50:25.000 They have, I believe it's 21 days, which is the most amount of time you can go without any food.

00:50:31.000 So I think they put them in a place that has an abundant amount of water so they can find water. 0.99

00:50:35.000 If they don't put them in the desert for 21 days, they'd be fucking dead in two. 0.99

00:50:39.000 They're probably dead in one. 0.99

00:50:40.000 You know, you put someone in Death Valley with no clothes for a day, no water, no clothes, you got 24 hours if you're lucky.

00:50:47.000 You might not even make it 24 hours, right?

00:50:49.000 When it gets to 128 degrees out there?

00:50:51.000 Nah, I mean, you could just die a heat stroke even with water.

00:50:54.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:50:55.000 So these people are out there, and they have to build shelter because they're in the rainforest, so there's all these fucking bugs, and they see bullet ants. 0.98

00:51:03.000 Bullet ants are some of the most painful stings known to man. 0.98

00:51:07.000 They say it's like getting your hand slammed in a car door for 24 hours.

00:51:11.000 That's what it feels like if one bites you. 0.98

00:51:13.000 Well, I would definitely be naked and afraid if I was around the freaking bullet ants, man.

00:51:17.000 Well, they have these rites of passages they do with certain indigenous tribes in the Amazon where they take what looks like oven mitts and they embed bullet ants in these oven mitts all throughout the – like they stick their stingers through. 0.88

00:51:31.000 So they're trapped, and so they just keep stinging.

00:51:34.000 And then they make these guys wear these gloves and get the shit stung out of them by these bullet ants. 0.83

00:51:41.000 And there was one show, I forget what the show was, but the host actually took part in the ritual himself and put these gloves on. 0.97

00:51:48.000 On his hands, he got his hands all stung.

00:51:50.000 Sounds crazy, man.

00:51:51.000 And you just watch him just drop to his knees in the most intense agony, unimaginable agony, and it just lasts forever.

00:51:59.000 It lasts like hours and hours and hours of intense, intense agony.

00:52:03.000 But in getting through it, not only is it like a rite of passage, but it also is what they call...

00:52:14.000 There's certain tribal... 0.98

00:52:17.000 Tribal cultures where they do not have access to psychedelics.

00:52:21.000 So this is like a psychedelic kind of thing because the neurotoxins and the venom kind of puts you in some kind of altered state?

00:52:30.000 There's a little bit of that.

00:52:31.000 And there's also your body develops so much resistance to all the venom that there's probably some sort of a serotonin boost.

00:52:42.000 And there's also things called...

00:52:45.000 They're called, there's certain rituals where it's not called a psychedelic, it's called like an ordeal poison.

00:52:54.000 An ordeal poison is like what tribes, where they don't have access to psychedelics, oftentimes they come up with these rituals based on poisoning.

00:53:02.000 So they'll give someone a poison that gets you to the brink of death.

00:53:08.000 It gets you like, you're sweating, you're dying, and then it releases you when your body processes it.

00:53:13.000 Like the ayahuasca, almost.

00:53:15.000 But not, because ayahuasca is not poison.

00:53:18.000 Ayahuasca doesn't harm you, and in fact, ayahuasca...

00:53:20.000 Well, it does produce that vomiting, that severe vomiting.

00:53:22.000 Yeah, but that's just because it's disgusting.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, it's vile. 0.78

00:53:24.000 It's just a gross... 0.78

00:53:25.000 And you're taking all this plant matter, and it's just a horrible foul taste, and purging anything that might be in your stomach.

00:53:33.000 But the active ingredients in ayahuasca, not only is it not toxic...

00:53:38.000 But it's also one of the most transient drugs ever exhibited or ever observed in the body because of the fact that it's a normal human neurotransmitter.

00:53:47.000 Your body knows how to process it, so your body just can bring you back to baseline very quickly.

00:53:52.000 You know, I bought some of that stuff one time.

00:53:54.000 Ayahuasca?

00:53:55.000 Yeah, I was going to do it, then I got scared.

00:53:57.000 Well, I read where you really should have a shaman that really knows his stuff.

00:54:02.000 And I thought, you know what?

00:54:04.000 What if I had a bad trip in this stuff, man?

00:54:06.000 Where were you?

00:54:07.000 But I was living in my camper van at the time out in Arizona, out in the middle of the desert.

00:54:11.000 How long ago was this?

00:54:12.000 It was like, what, about three and a half, four years ago?

00:54:15.000 And I had read about Ayahuasca from Stuart Wilde.

00:54:19.000 Who said that this is where the spiritual teachers got to go at some point, you know, once you've reached a certain level.

00:54:24.000 And he was talking about ayahuasca.

00:54:26.000 And I thought, that sounds really fascinating.

00:54:28.000 And it was ridiculously easy to buy over the internet and have mail ordered right to my PO box.

00:54:34.000 So was it a fully brewed mail?

00:54:36.000 No, no, no, no.

00:54:37.000 It was just the plant matter, like the dried herbal stuff in a sealed plastic bag.

00:54:43.000 And then I looked at it, and then I read about the processing, and I thought, you know what?

00:54:48.000 I probably should just wait on this and just...

00:54:52.000 Wait until someone that really knows what he's doing.

00:54:54.000 But they have those ayahuasca trips that you can take down in Brazil and even in Mexico.

00:55:00.000 We're thinking about starting a treatment center in Peru.

00:55:05.000 You?

00:55:05.000 Personally?

00:55:06.000 Yeah, my partner from Onnit, Aubrey, has been down there so many times.

00:55:09.000 He's worked with these guys so many times.

00:55:11.000 We're thinking about setting up a program because it's legal there.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:55:14.000 Setting up a program through Onnit where people can travel down there.

00:55:18.000 And they know that they'll have good accommodations, a legit shaman, safe environment.

00:55:23.000 And, you know, we've had so many requests from so many people that we would love to send you down there.

00:55:29.000 I might have to take you up on that, Joe.

00:55:31.000 Give me a full report, man.

00:55:32.000 I would love to go with you.

00:55:33.000 Come on, man.

00:55:34.000 Let's do it, man.

00:55:35.000 Let's do it.

00:55:35.000 I'm down.

00:55:36.000 I'm down with it.

00:55:37.000 I'm totally into it.

00:55:37.000 That would be fascinating.

00:55:38.000 I've been thinking about this for years, you know?

00:55:40.000 Yeah?

00:55:40.000 Yeah.

00:55:40.000 It's just really something that just sounds fascinating to me because apparently people have some really amazing psychedelic experiments and just kind of expands the consciousness and they have some pretty intense experiences.

00:55:55.000 But you would definitely want to be with someone that has taken people through it before.

00:56:00.000 Yeah.

00:56:01.000 Definitely not something to mess around with on your own, man.

00:56:03.000 Well, it's also the environment that you do it in is really important, too.

00:56:07.000 You don't want to be in an unsafe environment.

00:56:09.000 You don't want to be tripping your paws off and then something goes wrong.

00:56:12.000 There's no one there that can handle everything.

00:56:14.000 You don't want to be caught in a forest fire while you're tripping on DMT. I've only had the synthesized version of it, the hard version of DMT. I haven't had the orally active version of it, which is what ayahuasca is.

00:56:29.000 And again, you're talking about the ancients knowing their shit. 1.00

00:56:32.000 They weren't fools. 1.00

00:56:33.000 They figured out how to combine two different plants to create this mixture.

00:56:39.000 See, DMT is not orally active.

00:56:42.000 If you took DMT in an oral form, monoamine oxidase, which is produced in your gut, would kill the DMT. So they figured out how to take the leaves of certain plants, which have DMT, or the vines of certain plants, which have DMT, and then the leaves of other plants,

00:56:57.000 which have harmine, which is a natural MAO inhibitor, and then they brew it together in this really sort of complicated process and develop this ayahuasca, which is essentially, it becomes an orally active version of the drug that I took.

00:57:09.000 I just smoked it.

00:57:11.000 When you smoke it, it's intense.

00:57:12.000 It's very fast.

00:57:14.000 It hits you within 15, 20 seconds, and it only lasts about 15 minutes.

00:57:18.000 It's like just a quick shot to the center of the universe.

00:57:22.000 The most amazing, unbelievable psychedelic experience you could ever imagine.

00:57:26.000 I describe it as mushrooms times a million plus aliens.

00:57:30.000 Wow.

00:57:30.000 It's unbelievably intense.

00:57:32.000 Ayahuasca usually is a little less intense, but it's a prolonged experience.

00:57:37.000 Yeah, it's many hours.

00:57:38.000 It takes several hours, yeah.

00:57:39.000 I read in Outside Magazine actually about an ayahuasca trip that was organized.

00:57:43.000 There's a lot of them.

00:57:44.000 And out of ten people, two people didn't get anything.

00:57:46.000 They just got sick and that was it.

00:57:49.000 And then eight of the ten, one had a bad trip, like freaked.

00:57:54.000 And then the other seven had fantastic consciousness-raising experience.

00:57:59.000 Yeah, I wonder what makes people trip because the shamans say that the people that have these bad trips of what's going on is that they're trying to fight it.

00:58:07.000 They're trying to control the situation and your ego doesn't want to let go and you try to resist and then it just sort of chips away at your inner soul and finds out what's causing this resistance and then penetrates it and freaks you the fuck out.

00:58:22.000 You can't wrestle with God.

00:58:24.000 And that's essentially what you're doing when you're having these psychedelic experiences.

00:58:27.000 You're trying to wrestle with the creative force of the very universe itself.

00:58:31.000 And this ego thing that people have, oh, don't worry, I can handle it.

00:58:36.000 There's so many people that have that I can handle it thing. 0.96

00:58:40.000 Ridiculous. 1.00

00:58:42.000 Overqualified confidence for no fucking reason. 1.00

00:58:44.000 For no reason. 0.99

00:58:45.000 For no reason.

00:58:45.000 There's no reason why you think you should be able to handle it.

00:58:47.000 But you run into it everywhere.

00:58:49.000 By going in there a little afraid, you probably have a great experience.

00:58:51.000 And humble.

00:58:53.000 Afraid, humble, and say, please be nice to me.

00:58:55.000 I give up.

00:58:57.000 I submit myself to you.

00:58:59.000 And then you're going to get through it.

00:59:00.000 It's not a toxic thing.

00:59:01.000 It's not a poisonous thing.

00:59:03.000 Terrence McKenna had a line, the only fear is that you may die from astonishment. 0.99

00:59:09.000 It's so fucking crazy. 0.98

00:59:11.000 We're all going to die, not a bad way to go. 1.00

00:59:13.000 Yeah.

00:59:14.000 Well, that's what's really crazy is they believe that the experience that you have while you're taking DMT is the exact experience that people have when they're dying because when you're dying, your brain produces dimethyltryptamine.

00:59:27.000 It's produced during REM sleep.

00:59:30.000 Well, it's in so many different plants.

00:59:32.000 The reason why your gut produces this monoamine oxidase, or one of the reasons, it probably serves many purposes, but is that dimethyltryptamine is in a lot of different plants.

00:59:42.000 So these plants that we eat, Would give us DMT. Like, you would get high off of certain plants.

00:59:48.000 Like, it's in thousands of different plants.

00:59:50.000 It's a lot.

00:59:50.000 You could extract it from just regular grass.

00:59:53.000 Like, Phalaris grass has DMT in it.

00:59:55.000 Like, a lot of it.

00:59:56.000 And that's why certain sheep will eat grasses that have DMT in it, and they die, like, immediately.

01:00:03.000 Like, you'll find them, like, in the field.

01:00:05.000 They'll run across a patch of grass that has DMT in there.

01:00:08.000 Bink! 0.99

01:00:08.000 Legs up, little feet twitching. 0.99

01:00:10.000 So, like, what might be toxic to a sheep, not so much to a human?

01:00:15.000 Not at all.

01:00:16.000 Yeah, DMT's not toxic at all to humans, but to sheep, it just...

01:00:20.000 Wow, that's pretty fascinating.

01:00:22.000 Yeah, kills them. 1.00

01:00:23.000 Don't be a sheep. 1.00

01:00:23.000 But, you know, going back to what we had mentioned earlier about the ancients not being stupid. 1.00

01:00:31.000 You know, that's basically what Ayurvedic medicine was based on in India. 0.67

01:00:34.000 I mean, these people had amazing powers of observation.

01:00:38.000 And this is, you know, pre-science.

01:00:40.000 We put so much faith in science.

01:00:42.000 But, you know, sometimes you have to think about these so-called studies, you know, with the agendas and so forth.

01:00:49.000 Well, there's definitely a lot of that, right?

01:00:50.000 And, you know, of course, you know, some monetary incentive.

01:00:53.000 How many times have we seen drugs being totally promoted only to find out later when they're recalled, like all these horrors, you know, like thalidomide in babies back in the 70s or whatever.

01:01:06.000 I mean, but that happens a lot, man.

01:01:07.000 Yeah.

01:01:08.000 Less so now than it used to.

01:01:09.000 Less so now than it used to, but it still happens.

01:01:12.000 Well, there's more transparency now than ever before, so that makes it much more difficult.

01:01:16.000 But do you remember Guy Metzger?

01:01:18.000 Yeah, sure, sure.

01:01:19.000 You know, he got a stroke from Vioxx.

01:01:22.000 Whoa.

01:01:22.000 Yeah, Vioxx, he was having arthritis issues with his knees, you know, years of martial arts training.

01:01:28.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:01:28.000 A lot of guys have problems with their knees.

01:01:30.000 They're very common.

01:01:31.000 Chris Weidman recently had both his knees scoped, and before that he had gone through Regenikine on his knees too, but he's had arthritis in his knees so bad, Weidman can't even pull his heel up to his butt.

01:01:42.000 He's a UFC middleweight champion, and his knees are so stiff from all the years of wrestling and all the years of what we were talking about before, plowing through injury, which is something that wrestlers are so accustomed to doing.

01:01:57.000 In my opinion, no one's tougher mentally than amateur wrestlers.

01:02:02.000 I think the ability to become a successful amateur wrestler...

01:02:07.000 There's no hidden secrets.

01:02:09.000 The techniques have existed from literally the beginning of human time.

01:02:14.000 People have learned how to wrestle.

01:02:17.000 I mean, obviously they've refined those techniques, they've passed them down, but there's no secrets.

01:02:21.000 It's hard work.

01:02:23.000 Force, determination, focus.

01:02:25.000 That's all it is.

01:02:26.000 And so who works harder?

01:02:28.000 Who can endure more?

01:02:30.000 Who can punish their body more?

01:02:31.000 Who can show up and put in the extra hour of training every day that the other guy can't do?

01:02:37.000 That guy's probably going to wind up winning.

01:02:38.000 And so these wrestlers have this ability to plow through injuries.

01:02:42.000 Plow through injuries.

01:02:42.000 And you see it a lot, man.

01:02:45.000 They hurt themselves, though.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, well, it's very, very hard on the body.

01:02:48.000 I think of the guys that I wrestled with back in the 60s and the 70s.

01:02:51.000 A lot of these guys are just, their bodies are a mess.

01:02:55.000 I went to a reunion not too long ago with my old college guys, and it was pitiful.

01:03:02.000 What's happened is, I mean, some of these guys were such studs.

01:03:05.000 Wow.

01:03:05.000 Just the harshness of the regimen, you know?

01:03:09.000 They just kind of let themselves go.

01:03:11.000 They didn't want to be bothered with that stuff anymore.

01:03:13.000 Well, even guys that, you know, are still studs, but just their bodies are slowly giving out.

01:03:19.000 Things are breaking off.

01:03:20.000 Things, the hips, the back. 0.94

01:03:22.000 Mark Coleman just got a hip replacement.

01:03:24.000 Dan Gable, the greatest wrestler ever.

01:03:27.000 You know, he went through the Munich Olympics unscored on?

01:03:30.000 That's insane.

01:03:31.000 Imagine.

01:03:31.000 Olympic-level tournament.

01:03:33.000 And the Russians had swore they were going to find a guy to beat him.

01:03:37.000 The guy went through the tournament without being scored on.

01:03:42.000 Unbelievable performance. 0.82

01:03:43.000 He was an animal.

01:03:43.000 Poor guy, double hip replacement.

01:03:46.000 Knees as well, I think.

01:03:47.000 I think he needs to get his knees replaced as well.

01:03:50.000 So, I mean...

01:03:51.000 But, you know, sometimes you think, like, was it worth it?

01:03:56.000 I think when you ask a lot of these guys, you know, the glory that they had, they might say, yeah, it was worth it.

01:04:03.000 Because a long life of never having done anything, I mean, that's not a life worth living either, in my opinion.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, it's a tough call because we're all going to die.

01:04:16.000 And eventually all of our bodies will give out.

01:04:18.000 And that's one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about because...

01:04:22.000 You, early on in one of your early DVDs, one of the first ones that I got, which, boy, I don't know, when did you put out your first DVD? My God, I don't even know.

01:04:32.000 It's been a long time.

01:04:33.000 At least 15 years ago.

01:04:35.000 I got one of the earliest ones.

01:04:37.000 So you're probably about my age, actually.

01:04:40.000 You're probably about 46, somewhere around that.

01:04:42.000 Yeah.

01:04:43.000 And you were talking about the aging process, fighting off the aging process, and exercising to fight off that aging process, and being conscious about doing that.

01:04:53.000 And that's something that I think very few people do.

01:04:56.000 They just work out to be in shape.

01:04:58.000 They work out the same shape.

01:05:00.000 But you were one of the first guys that ever saw that was talking about it pretty actively on a DVD and teaching people strategies and techniques to fight off the aging process.

01:05:11.000 Not just through exercise, through manipulating your hormones, through certain types of exercise, and joint mobility.

01:05:17.000 Joint mobility is so important.

01:05:20.000 Because all the deadlifts and kettlebell snatches and swings in the world are not going to save you as you begin to get older.

01:05:27.000 You've got to keep that mobility work up.

01:05:29.000 A lot of people don't understand what you mean by mobility.

01:05:31.000 They get very confused with flexibility.

01:05:33.000 They are related.

01:05:34.000 But it's basically being able to move through full range and keeping complete joint function and the specific exercises that a person can do to enable them to do this.

01:05:44.000 And it feels damn good, actually.

01:05:47.000 And I've studied the Russian systems.

01:05:49.000 You know, there's like a Slavic health system and Russian system.

01:05:53.000 They really developed the mobility to a very, very, very high level.

01:05:59.000 And I was lucky enough to learn this stuff.

01:06:00.000 And then, of course, I added a lot of the stuff I learned from yoga and so forth in there.

01:06:05.000 And I came up with this system for myself that I teach to people in my seminars and so forth.

01:06:11.000 And it's really kept me going.

01:06:13.000 I mean, I could have ended up like all my comrades, you know, the guys I wrestled with back in the 60s and 70s.

01:06:18.000 And, of course, I've been doing jiu-jitsu now for almost 23 years and competed at a pretty high level in the age group divisions.

01:06:25.000 And that takes its toll.

01:06:27.000 But thank God for the mobility.

01:06:29.000 It kept me fairly, I mean, I can't say I got through it completely unscathed.

01:06:36.000 But it definitely kept my joints intact, and I'm able to move pretty damn good.

01:06:41.000 And when I look at people in my family tree, you know, my relatives, my grandparents, and so forth, I mean, they were moving bad.

01:06:48.000 I mean, just really bad.

01:06:51.000 And I vowed that that wasn't going to be me.

01:06:54.000 So with this system that I use of this mobility, it keeps me pretty spry.

01:06:59.000 Now, how often do you do it?

01:07:01.000 Every single day.

01:07:02.000 Every single day.

01:07:04.000 So give me a schedule.

01:07:07.000 Do you start out your day with it?

01:07:10.000 Well, generally speaking, I'll get up.

01:07:11.000 I have a whole Ayurvedic therapy that I go through.

01:07:14.000 When you get up.

01:07:15.000 Yeah, I'll scrape my tongue with a tongue scraper.

01:07:17.000 There's a lot of stuff from the night, sleeping all night.

01:07:22.000 You build up substances on the tongue.

01:07:26.000 You'll be shocked at what you see.

01:07:28.000 It comes off the tongue when you wake up in the morning.

01:07:30.000 Obviously, tooth brushing, head massage.

01:07:34.000 Head massage?

01:07:35.000 Head massage.

01:07:36.000 Do you do it yourself?

01:07:37.000 Yeah.

01:07:38.000 I also have a special little scraper thing, like little fingers that you really massage the head.

01:07:45.000 Then I use a neti pot, N-E-T-I. It's an Ayurvedic technique where you rinse your sinuses so that you can breathe through the nose really, really well.

01:07:53.000 Nasal breathing is really important.

01:07:56.000 Then I do a dry brush massage.

01:08:00.000 It's basically a German-Swedish-Russian thing where every inch of the skin you brush with a natural bristle brush. 0.89

01:08:07.000 Because your skin is the biggest organ in the body, so you really want to keep it... 1.00

01:08:11.000 And this dry brush massage really is quite excellent for the skin.

01:08:15.000 Stimulates the skin to, you know, to renew growth.

01:08:18.000 Gets rid of dead skin cells.

01:08:20.000 Keeps it really nice and your complexion good.

01:08:24.000 And I'll scrape, you know, I'll brush the body.

01:08:27.000 And then I take cold water therapy.

01:08:30.000 Very big into cold water.

01:08:31.000 I used to do dowsing with the ice cold water in a bucket.

01:08:35.000 But since I travel, I pretty much have to use the shower.

01:08:38.000 So you just take a cold shower?

01:08:40.000 Yeah.

01:08:40.000 Sometimes I'll do alternating hot and cold shower.

01:08:43.000 LA's not too bad, you know.

01:08:44.000 LA, you know, the water doesn't get too cold.

01:08:47.000 But sometimes, like I was in Portland, Oregon, and before that, Toronto, the water's still pretty frosty.

01:08:55.000 And then there's a whole towel treatment that I learned also.

01:08:58.000 Towel treatment?

01:08:59.000 Yeah, there's a way that you can briskly use a coarse towel.

01:09:04.000 Rather than having these soft towels, you make them sort of like they're almost sandpaper.

01:09:09.000 And I learned it from this Russian guy, this old Russian sauna master, who showed me how to do this very vigorous towel rubdown.

01:09:16.000 Of course, all the old-timers knew about this stuff, you know.

01:09:18.000 A lot of the, you know, mighty men of old, you know, Georges Hackenschmidt, the Russian Lion, and, you know, Air Wereland, and Pavel Arola, a lot of these old health pioneers, Bragg,

01:09:34.000 McFadden, Harvey Kellogg, all these You know, turn of the century guys.

01:09:38.000 Harvey Kellogg, the guy from Kellogg's?

01:09:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:41.000 Do you know how crazy that guy was? 0.83

01:09:43.000 Well, he was pretty crazy.

01:09:44.000 Well, we were talking about him on the podcast yesterday. 0.99

01:09:46.000 That guy, he used to take, he created Kellogg's and created the bland cornflakes to keep people from masturbating. 0.76

01:09:55.000 He bragged about never having sex with his wife, although they were together for 40 years, but he would have a daily enema by his handsome male assistant to give him a daily enema. 0.98

01:10:04.000 That is pretty crazy.

01:10:05.000 Oh, yeah. 0.94

01:10:06.000 He was about as crazy as you can get. 0.99

01:10:08.000 About as crazy. 0.68

01:10:09.000 Well, they got really, really overly concerned about bowel function, some of these guys. 0.98

01:10:15.000 And sex. 0.98

01:10:16.000 And sex. 0.98

01:10:17.000 You know, there's all that weird Victorian stuff going on there.

01:10:20.000 But the towel treatment, and then I'll do the five rites of Tibetan yoga. 0.62

01:10:26.000 That's something.

01:10:27.000 And how much time does all this take?

01:10:28.000 About 30 minutes.

01:10:29.000 For the whole thing?

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:31.000 Scraping the tongue, cold shower, the whole deal.

01:10:33.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 The five rights can be done very quickly.

01:10:36.000 And what is the five rights?

01:10:38.000 It's spinning.

01:10:40.000 There's like a leg raise type thing, a thing where you lean back.

01:10:46.000 It's called the pump, like up-down dogs.

01:10:48.000 It hits every part of the body.

01:10:50.000 It stimulates the hormonal system.

01:10:54.000 The practitioners claim it realigns the chakras, where they call it the vortex.

01:10:59.000 People can, if they want to Google it, they can download a free PDF. It's a book called The Eye of the Revelation.

01:11:06.000 And they can read all about it.

01:11:08.000 It was written by a British army major that happened to be stationed in the northern territories of India and Nepal.

01:11:15.000 And he observed these monks, these Tibetan monks, and how spry and how young they were and how even these guys in their late 80s were able to bound up and down the side of the Himalayan mountains somewhat effortlessly.

01:11:28.000 And he noticed and took great note of their exercise system, which was basically these five exercises every morning.

01:11:36.000 Are you familiar with the prostration exercise?

01:11:39.000 No.

01:11:39.000 Where you sort of lay down your stomach and prostrate yourself to Buddha as a sign of devotion.

01:11:50.000 It's a pretty tough little exercise.

01:11:52.000 So what do you do?

01:11:53.000 You lie on your stomach and you lift your legs up?

01:11:56.000 Yeah, it's almost like doing an ab wheel.

01:11:58.000 It's pretty tough, man.

01:11:59.000 And, you know, like one of the things that differentiates old from young is your ability to get up and down off the floor.

01:12:05.000 You know, think about it.

01:12:07.000 Like my mom, for example, I visited.

01:12:10.000 She's not listening to the podcast.

01:12:11.000 But I mean, poor soul.

01:12:13.000 You know, she's like almost 80. But she was bent over with her back to the side, front. 0.99

01:12:20.000 I don't think she could get up and down off the floor.

01:12:23.000 I don't believe she could.

01:12:24.000 I think it'd be really hard.

01:12:26.000 I don't think my dad could either.

01:12:28.000 And he actually ran and lifted weights most of his life, but he didn't pay any attention to mobility or flexibility training.

01:12:34.000 And he's still alive?

01:12:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:36.000 Do you talk to him about it?

01:12:37.000 I mean, it's got to be weird when you've got a son that's this health and fitness expert, and you don't pay attention to it at all.

01:12:43.000 You know, it's just the way parents are sometimes.

01:12:45.000 I mean, they just don't want to listen to their kids.

01:12:48.000 But I mean, that's what's in my genetic code.

01:12:51.000 That's what's in my genetic tree.

01:12:53.000 So getting up and down off the floor is really, really important.

01:12:56.000 And a lot of people can't do it.

01:12:58.000 When I used to run my gym exercise, I had a personal training studio in there, besides my jiu-jitsu school.

01:13:04.000 I would have people come to me that were only in their 40s that had a hell of a time getting up and down off the floor.

01:13:10.000 People don't...

01:13:11.000 I mean, we're grapplers, you and I. I mean, we're used to it.

01:13:14.000 So most of the people we know know a problem.

01:13:17.000 It's shocking, Joe, when you see what's going on out there.

01:13:21.000 I mean, just utterly shocking.

01:13:23.000 Every time I come from being overseas and I come back to the States, I'm just blown away with the obesity and just the poor general health and just how bad people look.

01:13:35.000 Do you think that's just the peripheration of sugar in the diet, corn, corn syrup?

01:13:40.000 All those things.

01:13:41.000 Fast foods.

01:13:42.000 Just the whole sedentary lifestyle.

01:13:45.000 Majority of people spend most of the time sitting down.

01:13:48.000 Think of it this way.

01:13:49.000 Imagine you work out an hour a day.

01:13:51.000 Which is a lot.

01:13:52.000 Most people do not work out an hour a day.

01:13:53.000 I think it's estimated that maybe 14% of the population actually works out at all.

01:13:58.000 And they're claiming mowing the lawn and walking the dog is exercise, right?

01:14:02.000 So really serious, hardcore exercises are few and far between.

01:14:07.000 It seems like millions of people are doing it to you and I because they're the people we hang out with.

01:14:12.000 But most of those other people are not doing it.

01:14:15.000 So let's say you do work out an hour a day.

01:14:18.000 But then you're sitting most of the day, right?

01:14:20.000 It's the new smoking, sitting.

01:14:21.000 So you're going, you're sitting in the car to go to, or you sit at the breakfast table, then you sit in the car to go to work or the train or the bus.

01:14:28.000 You sit at the desk all day, then you go to lunch, you sit some more, go back to the office, sit some more, sit in the car going home.

01:14:35.000 Then you sit down on Facebook or you, you know, you answer your emails or whatever.

01:14:40.000 Then you sit down, watch some television, then you're lying in bed.

01:14:44.000 What's your body going to adapt to? 0.99

01:14:45.000 23 hours of pretty much sitting on your ass or sleeping in bed or moving. 0.99

01:14:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:14:52.000 For sure, you're going to adapt to that sitting.

01:14:54.000 Despite the fact that you're working out, it's not enough.

01:14:57.000 People aren't moving enough.

01:14:59.000 And any movement pattern that you don't use on a regular basis, you quickly lose.

01:15:04.000 And a lot of people, they just never, you know, they use exercise machines and so forth.

01:15:10.000 Or even if they use barbells or whatever, or kettlebells, you know?

01:15:12.000 They're not getting up and down off the floor unless they're doing a turkey's get-up or something.

01:15:17.000 That's one reason why I think it's such a fantastic exercise, by the way.

01:15:20.000 Well, I like turkey's get-ups as well for jiu-jitsu.

01:15:23.000 I think it's one of the best exercises.

01:15:24.000 One of the best all around.

01:15:25.000 Core strength and for that very important exercise.

01:15:38.000 Yeah.

01:15:52.000 All those movement patterns that you need to sit up in the elbow, on the hand, and it's kind of like standing up in base, like in jiu-jitsu, and then transferring the weight.

01:16:03.000 I mean, all those things, proprioceptive movements and so forth.

01:16:07.000 And I think it's really one of the finest things you can do.

01:16:10.000 But just getting up and down, even with your body weight, using this prostration exercise, it's fantastic.

01:16:18.000 It's really good stuff.

01:16:19.000 What do you think about...

01:16:21.000 Have you ever seen...

01:16:22.000 Steve Cotter has this exercise that I got from him where you take two kettlebells, you lie on your back like you do in a sit-up, you press them, and then you sit up with the kettlebells, you sit up with them pressed, and you do a sit-up essentially,

01:16:37.000 and then you drop back down.

01:16:39.000 And then you do it all with your arms fully extended.

01:16:42.000 You know, I think he calls it a power sit-up or something like that.

01:16:45.000 That's a hell of a...

01:16:46.000 Yeah, some people call them Russian sit-ups.

01:16:48.000 I don't know.

01:16:48.000 Everything's Russian, right?

01:16:49.000 Right.

01:16:50.000 Especially with kettlebells, right?

01:16:51.000 Especially with kettlebells.

01:16:53.000 But yeah, I mean, it's a hell of a movement.

01:16:54.000 I mean, for sure.

01:16:55.000 Nothing wrong with that.

01:16:56.000 Nah.

01:16:57.000 I mean, obviously, you wouldn't take a deconditioned businessman and start out with a movement like that.

01:17:04.000 That's a good term, deconditioned businessman.

01:17:06.000 I have a friend who's a great guy, but I went to hug him the other day, and, you know, I hugged him, I put my hand on his back, and I was like, I was thinking to him, I didn't say anything, but I was thinking to myself, like, how does it even support your spine?

01:17:18.000 I know.

01:17:18.000 Like, there's nothing on your back.

01:17:20.000 Like, you grab a grappler, you hug them, and you feel their back.

01:17:24.000 You feel muscles.

01:17:25.000 You feel, like...

01:17:25.000 You can feel the lats and the rectospinal muscles sticking out there.

01:17:29.000 There's nothing.

01:17:29.000 It was just this gooey thing that keeps his spine just barely hanging on.

01:17:36.000 And is it any wonder that people are in pain?

01:17:39.000 Or that these pharmaceutical companies are just pumping out painkillers right over left?

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:46.000 Unfortunately, you know, it's just masking the symptoms.

01:17:49.000 So people don't have an incentive then to get in there and do something about it.

01:17:53.000 They just cover it up with the painkillers.

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:56.000 I've been pretty shocked at how much decompression relieves a lot of pain in the back and about how much...

01:18:06.000 I take one of these harnesses, and I attach it to the top of a door, and I strap my neck in it.

01:18:11.000 After I train, especially, I like to do that.

01:18:13.000 It sort of just pulls on your head, and you can pull the string, tick, tick, tick, and it pulls you up, and then it puts even more tension.

01:18:20.000 I like to give it a lot of weight.

01:18:22.000 I like to put a lot of weight on it.

01:18:23.000 And when it's done, it's like...

01:18:25.000 I feel this rush of blood through my neck, and it's amazing how good it feels. 0.99

01:18:29.000 As long as you make sure that sucker's tied down good to the door, because one time it wasn't, and it bounced off and clocked me on the fucking head, and I had a cut on my head for a couple weeks. 0.98

01:18:40.000 It was right when I was doing my sci-fi thing, too, so I was doing all these press junkets with a big fucking scar on my head. 0.99

01:18:47.000 But... 0.94

01:18:48.000 When it's done correctly, it's locked into place.

01:18:51.000 It's a real good feeling to stretch everything out.

01:18:54.000 For years, I used inversion boots.

01:18:55.000 I loved the inversion boots.

01:18:57.000 Yeah.

01:18:57.000 And there was a time when I had actually injured myself.

01:19:00.000 I was actually trying to do the ab wheel like Jackie Chan style from the feet, and I was pretty good at it.

01:19:05.000 What's Jackie Chan style?

01:19:07.000 Oh, there was a movie one time with Jackie Chan using an abdominal wheel, and he looked like an inchworm.

01:19:12.000 He was just going like, boop, boop, boop.

01:19:14.000 It was just amazing.

01:19:16.000 And I had developed the ability to go from the toes completely out and come back, but I went too deep in fatigue and kinked my back and gave myself a horrible case of sciatica.

01:19:26.000 I actually rotated a vertebrae, subluxation, rotation, and spondiothesis.

01:19:33.000 I went to my role for her.

01:19:35.000 It was the first time I ever heard the word surgery coming out of her mouth because she was pretty anti-surgery. 0.99

01:19:41.000 And she said, I don't know, Steve.

01:19:43.000 You really did it to yourself this time.

01:19:44.000 I don't know whether I can help you.

01:19:46.000 And in the meantime, I had this burning sensation down my leg, into my knee, and my big toe just wouldn't stop burning.

01:19:53.000 Like this chronic, aching, burning sensation that was just agonizing.

01:19:58.000 And what is that?

01:19:59.000 Is that nerves or nerves?

01:20:00.000 Yeah, the nerve was pinched off.

01:20:02.000 So over time, I went to an acupuncture guy to relieve some of the pain.

01:20:07.000 It had instant relief, but then it would come back.

01:20:10.000 And over time, she kept working this vertebrae back into place with her fingers.

01:20:16.000 And after about eight weeks, boom, it went away like nothing ever happened.

01:20:21.000 It just disappeared.

01:20:22.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 But after that, I was also sitting on this chair called a back chair.

01:20:28.000 Maybe you could bring it up.

01:20:30.000 It holds you around the ribs like a clamp, and you're sitting on a sling, and then you release the sling, and your back goes into traction, and you're being held up underneath your armpits.

01:20:40.000 Oh, so relieving, man.

01:20:42.000 So you're being held under your armpits.

01:20:44.000 Yeah, but like a big clamp.

01:20:45.000 It kind of clamps on you.

01:20:46.000 So it sort of like lets your lower body just kind of hang in there in traction and decompressing.

01:20:52.000 Like a dip, almost.

01:20:53.000 Kind of like a dip, except there's no stress in your upper body.

01:20:57.000 You're just sitting like I am in this chair right now.

01:20:59.000 And this back chair was fantastic.

01:21:02.000 So between acupuncture, the back chair, and the rolfing, she got me out of trouble.

01:21:09.000 And needless to say, I wasn't too keen about the ab wheel anymore. 0.80

01:21:15.000 Not least from the feet.

01:21:16.000 I was a lot more conservative.

01:21:18.000 Hanging leg raises. 0.97

01:21:19.000 It's the same damn movement except you're in suspension and your back is in traction. 0.97

01:21:24.000 Much safer exercise. 0.96

01:21:25.000 So you were talking about the kind that you put your feet in the wheel?

01:21:30.000 No, no, no.

01:21:30.000 I was holding on one of those little cheapy $10 things.

01:21:34.000 Like what he's doing right here?

01:21:35.000 Exactly.

01:21:37.000 I was actually doing it just like that.

01:21:39.000 But I just went too deep into fatigue and kinked my lower back.

01:21:43.000 So you were just too tired while you were doing it?

01:21:44.000 I was too tired.

01:21:45.000 I lost my form a little bit.

01:21:46.000 I was going too hard.

01:21:48.000 You know, that is the main issue that we talked about before the last time you were here about CrossFit.

01:21:53.000 I finally brought myself to watch the video of that guy getting paralyzed.

01:21:57.000 Oh my God.

01:21:58.000 It's horrible, man.

01:21:59.000 You know what's really telling about that video?

01:22:01.000 It's not just...

01:22:02.000 What we're talking about is there was a CrossFit competition and there was a guy who was a CrossFit instructor that was doing a clean, was it a clean press?

01:22:11.000 What was it?

01:22:13.000 What was the exercise?

01:22:14.000 I don't know.

01:22:15.000 Anyway, he had the bar over his head, lost control of it, and it fell on the back of his neck.

01:22:19.000 Yeah, no, I hadn't actually seen it.

01:22:21.000 Was it a thruster?

01:22:22.000 I don't remember what it was, but my point is he was in competition with another guy who his body failed on him right before this guy.

01:22:31.000 Like, the guy next to him...

01:22:33.000 In the middle of it, his legs just gave out and he dropped the bar.

01:22:36.000 And so he drops his bar and it hits him on the neck.

01:22:40.000 So it's like one guy drops his bar and then the next guy drops his bar right next to him.

01:22:45.000 It's just the next guy was a catastrophic injury.

01:22:47.000 Catastrophic.

01:22:47.000 But both guys were so fatigued, they shouldn't have been doing it in the first place.

01:22:51.000 They shouldn't have been lifting that weight.

01:22:53.000 No way, man.

01:22:53.000 Their whole body was just like rubber.

01:22:56.000 You know, like we said last time, the risk to benefit ratio, you know, are the risks...

01:23:03.000 Worth it.

01:23:04.000 You've seen the video?

01:23:05.000 I haven't actually seen it.

01:23:06.000 Let's watch it.

01:23:07.000 While you're bringing that up, I'm going to take a quick...

01:23:10.000 Okay, please do.

01:23:10.000 Please do.

01:23:11.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:23:12.000 He's doing a snatch.

01:23:13.000 Is that what it is?

01:23:14.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 It's so horrible to see.

01:23:16.000 And by the way, I'm not down against exercise and anybody else's methods.

01:23:22.000 And I know that some people like CrossFit and they get a great deal of pleasure out of that kind of exercise and pushing themselves and all that stuff.

01:23:30.000 And I understand it.

01:23:31.000 I get it.

01:23:33.000 But this is hard to watch, man.

01:23:35.000 Watch this guy.

01:23:37.000 See?

01:23:38.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:23:39.000 Well, this is the guy that got injured.

01:23:42.000 The guy to the right of him, on the right of the screen, he hurt himself right before this.

01:23:49.000 See, he's got this, and then it just drops and hits his...

01:23:53.000 Oh, his body gave out first, and then it hit his back on the way down.

01:23:58.000 That's so awful, man.

01:24:01.000 The guy next to him, to his left, there's another video where you could see a few moments before his body gives out.

01:24:10.000 The guy to his left, his body gives out too, just in a different way.

01:24:14.000 Yeah, that guy there.

01:24:15.000 See, his body had already given out and his legs went rubber on him.

01:24:21.000 Exercise is awesome.

01:24:23.000 It's really awesome.

01:24:25.000 It's great.

01:24:25.000 It's great for your body.

01:24:26.000 But goddamn, man, you got to be real careful when you're throwing real heavy weights over your head and you're completely, totally exhausted. 0.98

01:24:34.000 I just don't think it's the right way to do it. 0.99

01:24:37.000 And listening to Steve talk about the importance of when you're doing these Olympic movements, like Olympic powerlifting movements...

01:24:47.000 They're supposed to be done like very small reps, like one and two and three reps.

01:24:51.000 These are like explosive exercises that are supposed to be done just for developing strength.

01:24:57.000 I don't think you're supposed to do them at high repetition.

01:25:00.000 I know some people get away with it. 0.92

01:25:01.000 I know some people do it, but god damn, it just doesn't seem to be the right way to go. 0.97

01:25:06.000 Take care of your meat wagon, ladies and gentlemen. 0.98

01:25:10.000 The problem that I have with CrossFit, most of it, is the same problem that I have with people who are vegans. 0.99

01:25:15.000 They cannot shut the fuck up about being involved in CrossFit. 0.99

01:25:19.000 They would just ear-beat you to death about CrossFit. 0.98

01:25:23.000 But, in all fairness, with all objective thinking and introspective thought, when I first started doing Jiu-Jitsu, I couldn't shut the fuck up about Jiu-Jitsu.

01:25:32.000 So, maybe it might just be something that, you know, when people are excited about something.

01:25:36.000 By the way, Jamie, you were wrong.

01:25:38.000 The over-under, you said 35 minutes.

01:25:40.000 I know you made an hour and a half.

01:25:41.000 Dude, I'm feeling great.

01:25:43.000 This is fine. 0.99

01:25:44.000 You know what's fucking a little bit painful? 1.00

01:25:46.000 It's my shins. 1.00

01:25:47.000 It's weird to have your shins pressed down. 0.97

01:25:51.000 Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

01:25:53.000 But my back feels great.

01:25:55.000 It definitely feels better than I usually feel when I'm leaning up against the back of the chair.

01:26:00.000 I'm usually trying to keep my posture straight, but I always fail.

01:26:04.000 But with this thing...

01:26:06.000 Look at me, dude. 1.00

01:26:07.000 Fucking locked down, son. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Complete. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Look at that.

01:26:10.000 Straight line, kid.

01:26:12.000 That's what you're supposed to be.

01:26:13.000 Just like that.

01:26:14.000 That's how you're supposed to sit. 0.99

01:26:15.000 How many people actually have one of these fucking things in their office, though? 0.99

01:26:19.000 You know the other thing they tell you? 0.99

01:26:21.000 You should stand.

01:26:22.000 You should stand at your desk. 0.99

01:26:23.000 That's like, you ever go to a concert and you have to fucking stand? 1.00

01:26:26.000 Standing sucks. 0.99

01:26:27.000 It's not fun to stand. 1.00

01:26:29.000 Standing at your desk, like, it would be so distracting.

01:26:32.000 How about this one?

01:26:32.000 That's the same thing.

01:26:33.000 Oh, it's a different one?

01:26:34.000 It's the opposite.

01:26:35.000 What is that?

01:26:36.000 No, it's leaning.

01:26:38.000 A kneeling chair review.

01:26:39.000 Huh.

01:26:40.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of...

01:26:41.000 Where she's sitting on it wrong. 1.00

01:26:42.000 Yeah, that bitch doesn't know what she's doing. 1.00

01:26:45.000 Maybe she turned it around or something like that. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Although, notice her spine is straight, though, somehow.

01:26:50.000 It's not, like, humped, you know, like the forehead or the kyphosis or anything.

01:26:54.000 So, I mean, it's not as bad as maybe, like, slouching down, you know?

01:26:57.000 Right.

01:26:58.000 So if her chair was flat instead of, like, leaning forward.

01:27:01.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 Because, I mean, it is possible to, like, lean...

01:27:05.000 In this manner, and still keep your spine straight if you have to.

01:27:08.000 You got to talk into the microphone, otherwise folks aren't going to hear what the hell you're saying.

01:27:11.000 Yeah.

01:27:12.000 Lean forward.

01:27:13.000 Yeah, but the worst thing is to let your back do this and your head come forward.

01:27:17.000 And that's what causes that permanent hump in the upper back.

01:27:21.000 They call it kyphosis or dowager's hump or whatever.

01:27:25.000 And so that leaning forward that she was doing in that chair probably isn't nearly as bad as... 0.99

01:27:32.000 What is that?

01:27:33.000 What the hell's going on there? 0.91

01:27:35.000 I don't know, but look at that head. 0.89

01:27:38.000 What is that?

01:27:39.000 Can't be good.

01:27:40.000 That's not good?

01:27:41.000 That's called forward head.

01:27:42.000 Okay, so...

01:27:43.000 Look at that.

01:27:44.000 That's not good.

01:27:45.000 She's kind of like this.

01:27:47.000 You know, it's really interesting because I worked with a high-powered lawyer one time.

01:27:52.000 Remember, I don't know whether you remember this, but remember the South Philly gang, Nicky Scarfo?

01:27:58.000 Yes.

01:27:58.000 The mobster?

01:27:59.000 Yeah.

01:28:00.000 I worked out the guy that put him in jail.

01:28:02.000 Wow.

01:28:02.000 Yeah, he was one of my clients.

01:28:04.000 That guy had been under some fucking stress. 0.99

01:28:06.000 The guy was under stress. 1.00

01:28:07.000 He was working like these ridiculously long hours.

01:28:10.000 I mean, like 14, 15 hours.

01:28:12.000 He barely had time to train.

01:28:13.000 So we came up with a plan.

01:28:15.000 You know, we had talked about a stability ball.

01:28:17.000 So, Mike swapped out his desk chair for stability ball.

01:28:21.000 And we got him a pedometer.

01:28:22.000 So he was trying to average like 10,000 steps a day.

01:28:25.000 And he was like taking the stairs instead of the elevator or the escalator.

01:28:30.000 He would park his car as far away as he could just to force himself to walk extra paces just to go places.

01:28:36.000 He would walk during lunch and then eat at his desk.

01:28:40.000 But he also put in like one of those stand-up desks and would pace during phone calls.

01:28:45.000 And or paste back and forth while he was sorting and swapping out his papers and this and that, doing dictation to his secretary.

01:28:53.000 He ended up losing like 14 pounds during that time.

01:28:57.000 And, you know, he had the extra padding on his body.

01:29:00.000 And then he would come to me and we would do two 20-minute workouts a week just to keep his basic strength levels up.

01:29:07.000 And he was very successful. 0.99

01:29:09.000 And, yeah, he prosecuted little Nicky Scarfo and put his ass in jail. 0.99

01:29:13.000 I would just think that the stress of... 1.00

01:29:15.000 Putting away murderers.

01:29:17.000 Just the idea that you're the guy who's processing...

01:29:21.000 Especially the mob.

01:29:22.000 Yeah. 0.81

01:29:22.000 I mean, that's a real murderer. 0.81

01:29:24.000 That's a real murderer.

01:29:25.000 And a murderer that's connected to a bunch of other murderers that have a vested interest in keeping him out of jail.

01:29:31.000 Did he get...

01:29:32.000 I mean, he had to be threatened all the time, right?

01:29:35.000 You know, it never came up.

01:29:37.000 I mean, he never talked about that aspect of it, but you would think that there would definitely be some type of threat there, yeah?

01:29:44.000 Yeah.

01:29:44.000 I mean, if you're the guy that's putting a major mob figure behind bars, you would have to be a little...

01:29:52.000 A little leery.

01:29:53.000 You know what's shocking to me?

01:29:55.000 I don't know if different police departments have different standards that they have for physical fitness or for self-defense, but when training, when a guy would come in and they tell me that he's a police officer, and he literally can't defend himself at all.

01:30:11.000 It is shocking.

01:30:12.000 It's so common, though.

01:30:13.000 Because of this whole equal rights and all this stuff, and I'm not against equal rights, But they really dumbed some of the standards down in some of the police forces to make room for women. 0.90

01:30:24.000 And there was these little tiny women on the Philadelphia Police Force. 0.95

01:30:29.000 I swear to God, any 12- or 13-year-old kid could just take their gun and beat them up.

01:30:34.000 It just scared them.

01:30:36.000 The only thing they could do in a situation where someone would resist arrest...

01:30:41.000 Would be lethal force.

01:30:43.000 Yeah.

01:30:43.000 What other avenue would they have?

01:30:45.000 I mean, maybe pepper spray or mace or, you know, a taser.

01:30:48.000 But, I mean, this is back in the day.

01:30:51.000 I did a lot of work with police and law enforcement with jiu-jitsu.

01:30:56.000 And I was utterly shocked sometimes when some of these people would come in.

01:31:01.000 The National Park Service guards, you know, the guys that wear the little mounting hats that are hired at all the national monuments and so forth, How those guys were licensed to carry guns sometimes was just mind-blowing.

01:31:15.000 It was like, wow, dude, you were so overweight and so obese and so immobile.

01:31:22.000 How are you going to put somebody under arrest when you can just barely even mobilize yourself?

01:31:31.000 It's shocking what happens sometimes.

01:31:33.000 And a lot of the cops that come to my seminars and so forth, they'll agree.

01:31:37.000 Most of the guys that go to my seminars are pretty motivated to stay in shape, but not so with their comrades.

01:31:45.000 I've met a lot of cops through martial arts, and it's one of the reasons why I have a good opinion of cops is because I know so many of them that are good people.

01:31:53.000 Oh, great people, man.

01:31:55.000 There's a lot of folks out there that, you know, really shouldn't be doing that job.

01:31:59.000 They can't handle that stress.

01:32:00.000 Or even if they could handle that, look, stress levels vary day to day.

01:32:04.000 Who knows what's going on in people's personal lives and how that manifests itself in a job like being a police officer. 1.00

01:32:09.000 But if you're a fat fuck on top of that, Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:32:13.000 I can't tell you how many times I've seen guys come to the gym and they've never had any training before and they're already a police officer. 1.00

01:32:19.000 And you're like, what would you do if somebody just tackled you?

01:32:23.000 Like, what would you do if you didn't have your hand on your gun at the time?

01:32:27.000 And even then, if a guy smacks it and it goes flying and he's on top of you, you're a dead man.

01:32:33.000 Like, you don't have any...

01:32:34.000 I would think that that would be like a writer who doesn't know how to spell or doesn't know how to type or literally doesn't know how to write English language.

01:32:42.000 To be a police officer and not be physically fit or not have any knowledge whatsoever of self-defense, it seems insane.

01:32:48.000 It is insane.

01:32:50.000 There's a very famous training video that they show, I think it was in Texas, where there was a pretty big guy, he's probably about 250, huge cop, but obviously very fat and out of shape. 0.79

01:33:00.000 And these two little guys that tackle him down and take his gun and shoot him. 1.00

01:33:04.000 It's used as a training video for new recruits and so forth.

01:33:08.000 And boy, if that wouldn't give you the incentive to at least learn some basic self-defense on top of whatever they show in the police academies and so forth.

01:33:16.000 You know?

01:33:17.000 Yeah.

01:33:17.000 I mean, it's pretty crazy.

01:33:19.000 But, you know, those guys, they do have a hell of a hard job.

01:33:22.000 But you don't meet nice people when you're a cop.

01:33:26.000 No.

01:33:26.000 You're meeting the worst elements of society every single day.

01:33:30.000 People just lying to your face once.

01:33:32.000 No wonder they, you know, develop high stress levels.

01:33:36.000 Having people lying to you and then having to determine are they telling the truth or are they lying?

01:33:41.000 And, you know, criminals are pretty devious and they're pretty good at lying.

01:33:45.000 Well, no, even most folks that aren't criminals, if they get caught doing something that's a crime, they're going to lie.

01:33:52.000 And so the cops are just constantly dealing with people at their worst.

01:33:56.000 At their worst element, you know.

01:33:58.000 So, yeah, I mean, that would definitely have an impact on the way you think and your stress levels.

01:34:04.000 And, of course, we all know that food is a great balm.

01:34:08.000 You know, it's soothing.

01:34:10.000 It starts when you're a little kid, you know, with your dessert or your little treat or rewarding kids.

01:34:18.000 I hope you don't do that to your kids, by the way.

01:34:20.000 Don't use food as a reward.

01:34:22.000 No, but I don't demonize food either.

01:34:25.000 No, of course not.

01:34:25.000 I don't...

01:34:27.000 I give my kids healthy food most of the time, but I also say, who wants to get ice cream?

01:34:32.000 Let's do it!

01:34:33.000 Yeah, of course.

01:34:33.000 There's nothing wrong with that, too.

01:34:34.000 I mean, sugar's not good ever, and I tell them that.

01:34:37.000 Like, this is not good for you, but it tastes delicious, so we limit it.

01:34:41.000 I try to talk to them like...

01:34:42.000 I mean, I have a six-year-old and a four-year-old, so I try to talk to them like they're adults, and then when they...

01:34:48.000 What does that mean?

01:34:49.000 Then I explain it.

01:34:50.000 You know, I treat them like they're children, obviously, with a lot of love and affection and a lot of, you know, patience, but...

01:34:56.000 I try to talk to them in an advanced way.

01:34:58.000 I don't treat them like they're dummies. 0.95

01:34:59.000 Like I explain to them.

01:35:01.000 I say, you know, food is exactly what your body is built of.

01:35:05.000 Your body, whatever you take in, that's all that your body has to build new cells.

01:35:09.000 That's all it has.

01:35:10.000 It doesn't have any extra stuff.

01:35:11.000 It only has what you give it as far as food.

01:35:14.000 So it's important to give your body vitamins.

01:35:16.000 It's important to give your body all sorts of things like protein and water. 0.99

01:35:20.000 But I also say, but it's important to fuck off every now and then. 1.00

01:35:24.000 I don't say fuck off. 1.00

01:35:25.000 I would if my wife wasn't around. 1.00

01:35:27.000 She gets upset at the bad words.

01:35:29.000 She doesn't want to learn the bad words early.

01:35:31.000 They'll learn sooner or later, for sure.

01:35:33.000 Have a little mouth party with some sugar every now and then.

01:35:37.000 I don't want it to be a forbidden thing.

01:35:39.000 Once you forbid something, it makes it even more desirable.

01:35:43.000 I had friends that had kids and they weren't allowed to have any kind of treats or any of that kind of stuff.

01:35:50.000 Guess what they do as soon as they go to a friend's house?

01:35:53.000 Freak out.

01:35:53.000 And then they just freak out of that stuff, man.

01:35:55.000 And it's so funny, I had this one lady that was like this really, really snippy eater, and everything was fresh and organic, and she was so proud of her son and his diet that she had him on.

01:36:08.000 Man, every time I saw that kid, he was with a friend, and they would sneak bags of candy and stuff.

01:36:14.000 God, it's so crazy.

01:36:16.000 It's really true.

01:36:17.000 It's so crazy how many people do that, too.

01:36:19.000 It's so crazy how many people just do that to their kids and they suppress them.

01:36:23.000 I have a friend whose kid is overweight, and he's always on her, telling her, don't eat this and don't eat that.

01:36:29.000 He'll do it publicly in front of people and shame the kid.

01:36:32.000 And it's a terrible way to do it.

01:36:34.000 And then when no one's around, like she was at a party the other day and I watched her just eating, like eating cupcakes and just looking around and eating, like just frantically stuffing them in her face.

01:36:44.000 He's going to create a bulimia.

01:36:46.000 Yeah, or a real problem.

01:36:49.000 Or someone that has a serious eating disorder.

01:36:51.000 So yeah, shame never works, man.

01:36:54.000 Yeah, it's terrible.

01:36:55.000 It's just a bad thing to do to a kid.

01:36:59.000 Children, they're developing, and that's the thing that people don't understand.

01:37:04.000 To raise a kid, you can't just go on your instincts.

01:37:08.000 You can't say, oh, you need to toughen them up and tell them what to do.

01:37:12.000 No, you're going to develop all sorts of weird, crazy things in their head. 1.00

01:37:15.000 You're going to develop blocks, and they're going to have these mental blocks they're going to have to work out in therapy for the rest of their life if you fuck with their head too much when they're little. 0.99

01:37:23.000 Well, I mean, think about it. 0.99

01:37:24.000 Most of us didn't have that greater role model.

01:37:26.000 Yeah.

01:37:27.000 And there's no directions that come with raising a kid, man.

01:37:31.000 Exactly.

01:37:31.000 And it makes me wonder why so many people think that they are good or even qualified to be parents.

01:37:38.000 I mean, nowadays, with the world being the way it is, I would be really reluctant to want to bring another soul into this world.

01:37:46.000 And I don't know.

01:37:48.000 I just don't feel like most people are really that qualified to be parents.

01:37:53.000 They should really think about why are they doing this.

01:37:55.000 It seems like kids are almost an accessory, you know?

01:37:59.000 Something that you show off or it's an accessory.

01:38:02.000 Or they just bring them in because it's the thing to do or whatever, you know?

01:38:06.000 It gives them meaning.

01:38:07.000 It gives a lot of meaning.

01:38:08.000 I think for a lot of folks, they feel like if they don't have children that they're somehow or another not contributing.

01:38:15.000 I faced that before I had children.

01:38:19.000 People would say to me, like, oh, you know, one day you're gonna have to grow up and you're gonna have to have kids.

01:38:23.000 Right now you're living like Peter Pan.

01:38:25.000 Let me tell you something, you know, that ain't the way to live.

01:38:28.000 And they make it like there's some nobility into having children.

01:38:32.000 I couldn't disagree with that more.

01:38:35.000 I think if you want to have a life where you contribute, a life where you're a person who is a beneficial person to society, it's real simple.

01:38:47.000 Have good friends.

01:38:48.000 Do something you love doing.

01:38:49.000 Inspire others.

01:38:51.000 Be nice to folks.

01:38:52.000 That's it.

01:38:53.000 That's all you really have to do.

01:38:54.000 You don't have to have kids. 0.99

01:38:55.000 And if you have kids and you fuck up and you have shitty kids, you've done the opposite. 1.00

01:39:00.000 Now you've created problems. 1.00

01:39:01.000 I had a friend who used to always rag on people that hadn't reproduced. 0.96

01:39:08.000 But he was a degenerate. 0.91

01:39:10.000 And one of his kids smoked crack. 0.99

01:39:11.000 The other kid was in jail.

01:39:13.000 I mean, and he was like bragging about having kids. 1.00

01:39:15.000 Like, you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:39:16.000 You've created disasters. 1.00

01:39:17.000 When your kids come into the room, I leave.

01:39:20.000 Created more of a problem for society than not.

01:39:22.000 Not in his eyes.

01:39:23.000 But, you know, yeah, it is funny.

01:39:25.000 There is a pressure on people.

01:39:27.000 It's too bad.

01:39:27.000 It's unnecessary pressure.

01:39:29.000 You know, and by the way, you could always just work out, you know, all that...

01:39:34.000 You could go and volunteer your time at a youth center.

01:39:38.000 There's plenty of kids out there that don't have...

01:39:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:39:41.000 They don't have good mentors or parents or whatever, fathers, kids, and so forth.

01:39:46.000 The thing that really bugs me, and you see this in jiu-jitsu or martial arts a lot, where guys give up their dreams for the kid.

01:39:53.000 Like, they sacrifice everything for the kid.

01:39:55.000 What a horrible role model. 0.95

01:39:57.000 What message is that?

01:39:58.000 I am so important.

01:40:00.000 I'm the center of the universe.

01:40:02.000 Right.

01:40:03.000 And kids grew up with this...

01:40:04.000 Entitled.

01:40:05.000 You know, they talk about lack of esteem.

01:40:07.000 I think most modern kids have too much esteem.

01:40:10.000 They've been, you know, they grew up like a little prince or a little princess.

01:40:14.000 And it's like, man, the best thing a guy could do is continue to work out, keep yourself in great shape, take that time for yourself to keep yourself healthy.

01:40:23.000 Because, I mean, what use is a man to his family if he's broken down and sick and he just works his ass off all the time and doesn't keep himself healthy?

01:40:32.000 And, my God, go to the mat and get your time in, man.

01:40:36.000 Right.

01:40:36.000 You know, to keep yourself mentally healthy and happy.

01:40:39.000 But I can't tell you how it used to bug me when I had my jiu-jitsu school, how many guys, you know, they let family just completely undermine everything they were doing for their health and their well-being.

01:40:51.000 Yeah.

01:40:52.000 Well, their kid becomes like a project.

01:40:54.000 Exactly.

01:40:55.000 And they put tremendous amount of pressure on their kid because of that.

01:40:58.000 I think it's very important to set an example.

01:41:01.000 And one of the best examples that you could have as a parent is just to live a balanced life.

01:41:06.000 To live a fulfilled life.

01:41:07.000 Enjoy yourself.

01:41:08.000 Enjoy your time.

01:41:09.000 So that your kid has like that in their head.

01:41:11.000 Like, oh, you know, I should...

01:41:13.000 I see how my mom lives her life.

01:41:16.000 I see that she's fulfilled.

01:41:17.000 I see that she has hobbies she enjoys.

01:41:20.000 She likes to educate herself.

01:41:22.000 She likes to read.

01:41:23.000 She likes to do things. 0.99

01:41:24.000 I like to do things, too.

01:41:25.000 You get stimulated. 1.00

01:41:27.000 If you have a mom that's a fat fuck that sits around watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and eating Cheetos and complaining about people and talking shit, those kids will develop that sort of a habit. 1.00

01:41:36.000 They'll start talking shit, too, and they'll start floundering around, too. 1.00

01:41:40.000 Children imitate their atmosphere, very much so. 1.00

01:41:42.000 And, you know, like the old man that's been working all day and he comes home, he's grouchy, he's tired, you know.

01:41:47.000 Terrible, yeah.

01:41:47.000 You know, and then all of a sudden he's dumped on with all the problems.

01:41:50.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:41:51.000 When my kids were little, man, I would put them in the damn playpen and they could scream their fucking heads off. 1.00

01:41:56.000 And I did my training. 1.00

01:41:58.000 Right.

01:41:58.000 And they were going to learn that, hey, for that time...

01:42:01.000 Hey, I'm doing my thing.

01:42:02.000 I was making sure they weren't hurt.

01:42:04.000 Right.

01:42:04.000 But it wasn't going to kill them.

01:42:06.000 Right.

01:42:07.000 And then I would get finished.

01:42:09.000 How old were your kids when, or your kid, when you got divorced?

01:42:13.000 I'd say the daughter was 12, going on 13, and Zach was like, I guess, 14. That's tough on kids, right?

01:42:21.000 That's tough on kids.

01:42:21.000 And especially at that age, right?

01:42:23.000 The high school age, close to high school.

01:42:24.000 Well, the girl more so than the boy.

01:42:26.000 That was tough.

01:42:27.000 For her.

01:42:27.000 Zach, he was a little bit more philosophical.

01:42:29.000 He was a pretty mature kid for his age, and he was able to take it in stride a little bit more.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, when kids see parents that are together, too, they look at these happy households.

01:42:40.000 Some of my daughter's friends, they're single moms. 0.97

01:42:44.000 Or they're broken up with their husband or going through divorce, and you can see they hate it.

01:42:48.000 The kids, you know, especially at that age, like six, they really suffer.

01:42:51.000 It's a crazy thing how human beings just a lot of times really desire that nuclear household, that father-mother household.

01:43:00.000 So much so that people will go through it.

01:43:02.000 And that's the other side of it is the folks that go through it where they're just getting tortured.

01:43:07.000 They hate each other, but they're sticking together for the kids.

01:43:10.000 Like, man, you'd probably be better off.

01:43:11.000 The kids would probably be better off if you broke up. 0.98

01:43:13.000 There's been plenty of families that shouldn't be together.

01:43:15.000 Man, it's so toxic.

01:43:16.000 And the kids grow up in that toxic environment.

01:43:20.000 But what you were saying before, kids do emulate what you do.

01:43:23.000 And by being a good example, by taking care of your health and taking time to work out and pursuing your own interests and not just making everything about the kid, about the kid, about the kid, about the family, you know?

01:43:38.000 Yeah.

01:43:38.000 You also give them a sense of independence, too.

01:43:40.000 Well, yeah.

01:43:40.000 Then they can see, wow, okay, my dad's his own man or my mom's her own woman.

01:43:45.000 And, you know, they're not just all wrapped up in me, you know?

01:43:49.000 So what a great role model that is for them to grow up and realize that, yeah, that's the way it is.

01:43:56.000 Is there an age where kids shouldn't lift weights?

01:43:58.000 Because we always heard that when we were younger.

01:44:00.000 Like if you lift weights when you're a certain age, it's bad for your body.

01:44:03.000 It's bad.

01:44:04.000 It'll stunt your growth.

01:44:05.000 You'd always hear like things like that.

01:44:06.000 Are those myths?

01:44:08.000 A lot of it is a myth.

01:44:10.000 I mean, obviously, kids, when they're small, they don't have good motor control or good motor skills, so you don't want them hurting themselves.

01:44:18.000 But certainly doing bodyweight exercises.

01:44:20.000 I mean, your daughter probably tries to emulate you already anyway when she sees Daddy in his home gym or whatever.

01:44:27.000 She wants to do some push-ups and stuff, and that's fine.

01:44:30.000 Usually by the time a kid's old enough to start doing household chores and helping around the house a little bit is a good time to get them in some type of formal training.

01:44:37.000 But it's got to be somewhat fun.

01:44:39.000 It's the sky as everything is planned.

01:44:41.000 We talked about Hickson's hidden jiu-jitsu.

01:44:45.000 You can kind of do hidden workouts and stuff.

01:44:47.000 Yeah, Krohn would joke around about it.

01:44:49.000 There was no hidden pressure.

01:44:51.000 That pressure was real, man.

01:44:53.000 That pressure was real.

01:44:54.000 Can you imagine growing up the son of the greatest jiu-jitsu fighter ever?

01:44:59.000 It has to be.

01:45:01.000 Not just on the block.

01:45:02.000 Not in the neighborhood.

01:45:04.000 Not in the state.

01:45:05.000 Not a state champion.

01:45:05.000 The highest expression of the art that there ever was.

01:45:09.000 And a crazy yoga guy, too. 0.99

01:45:12.000 The dude is doing this crazy breath work and shit. 0.99

01:45:15.000 But also, look. 0.99

01:45:16.000 Look where it turned out.

01:45:17.000 I mean, he's a world champion himself, so obviously...

01:45:20.000 So something worked out there.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, it clearly worked out.

01:45:22.000 It's like with my kid.

01:45:23.000 I used to play all sorts of fun little games.

01:45:26.000 I would take...

01:45:27.000 He used to love to go to this dollar store.

01:45:30.000 You know, everything was a buck.

01:45:31.000 It was a heaven for little kids, you know.

01:45:33.000 All that cheap plastic toys and all that stuff.

01:45:35.000 So I would tape dollar bills up on a pole or on the wall.

01:45:40.000 And he would have to figure out how to pile furniture up and climb up and get it.

01:45:44.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.99

01:45:44.000 That sounds like a fucking recipe for disaster. 0.99

01:45:46.000 Well, you know, I was spotting him, you know. 0.99

01:45:48.000 But I mean, he got good at climbing stuff, man.

01:45:50.000 Yeah.

01:45:51.000 I used to bet him that he couldn't go from the basement of our four-story brownstone in Philly from the basement to the top floor where my bedroom was without touching the stairs.

01:46:00.000 So he was doing like Ninja Warrior stuff, like bracing himself in the wall or walking with his feet in one wall and his hands in the other.

01:46:08.000 Wow.

01:46:08.000 Cat crawling up the railing.

01:46:10.000 I mean, he was doing this stuff when he was really, really little.

01:46:14.000 But when he was like in kindergarten, we'd play Indiana Jones at the Temple of Doom.

01:46:18.000 I'd have a big stability ball, like the big concrete ball or the granite ball that was going to crush Indiana Jones.

01:46:27.000 Well, Zach could jump down a flight of stairs and land and roll before I could roll that ball down the stairs.

01:46:33.000 Jump down a flight of stairs?

01:46:34.000 He learned to do this stuff from a very young age because he started when he was like three or four years old.

01:46:40.000 How many stairs?

01:46:41.000 It'd be like 14 steps.

01:46:43.000 He jumped down 14 stairs?

01:46:45.000 He could hold onto the rail and swing his legs out and jump to the bottom.

01:46:49.000 Oh, okay.

01:46:50.000 So he would hold onto the rail and jump over the side?

01:46:52.000 No, no, no.

01:46:54.000 He would, like, swing his body in the stairwell and jump down the flight of stairs.

01:46:58.000 Oh, my God.

01:46:59.000 Yeah.

01:47:00.000 It's kind of cool.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 That seems like a lot of stress on your legs, though.

01:47:06.000 Yeah, you know, kids of that age, they're so resilient.

01:47:08.000 And, I mean, he had been building into this stuff, you know, from the time he was, like, born, man.

01:47:12.000 I was thinking that the other day when I was watching our kids play.

01:47:15.000 I was like, you very rarely hear about kids getting a knee injury.

01:47:18.000 Nah, kids don't get hurt.

01:47:20.000 Isn't that weird?

01:47:21.000 You know when they start getting hurt, when the parents start to put that fear of ground engagement?

01:47:26.000 Anywhere in the world, you go by a playground.

01:47:29.000 And I don't even have to understand the language to know what these people are saying, mothers and so forth.

01:47:33.000 Get down.

01:47:34.000 Look out.

01:47:35.000 You're going to get hurt.

01:47:37.000 Oh, that's so dangerous.

01:47:38.000 You put this fear into kids' minds.

01:47:41.000 But up to that point, their bodies are so resilient.

01:47:43.000 Okay, maybe they'll fall.

01:47:45.000 They start to learn their own limitations.

01:47:47.000 But instead, well-meaning but misguided adults put these limitations in their mind already.

01:47:54.000 Premature.

01:47:55.000 So they never really discover.

01:47:56.000 So they get this inborn fear, especially of falling and so forth, one of the five big human fears.

01:48:05.000 And when I used to teach wrestling and jiu-jitsu and so forth, teaching people throws was really hard as an adult because they had this terrible fear of falling.

01:48:16.000 But it was misguided because, I mean, when you're a little kid and you learn how to fall and roll like Zach did...

01:48:22.000 Man, you can take falls and throws and you're absolutely fine.

01:48:26.000 Bodies are so mobile, so resilient, they haven't built up all that stiffness.

01:48:30.000 But when you put that fear in a person's mind, you get that fear reactivity, for sure you're going to get hurt because you stiffen at the wrong time.

01:48:37.000 You know, the difference between like dropping a ball on the ground and a brick, you know?

01:48:40.000 Right.

01:48:41.000 The brick shatters and the ball will bounce.

01:48:44.000 Well, you make people like bricks with all this fearfulness and you hear it all the time.

01:48:50.000 I hear parents Constantly putting this fear into kids.

01:48:54.000 Well, I fell off of monkey bars when I was six to snap my arm in half, so it's probably good to have a little bit of fear.

01:48:59.000 A little fear.

01:49:00.000 I was like, I broke my arm!

01:49:02.000 My mom would always hear me say I broke my arm when I didn't break my arm, but she looked at me and she goes, wow, you really broke your arm.

01:49:08.000 You really did broke your arm.

01:49:10.000 Snapped in half.

01:49:11.000 But, you know, you learn a horse lesson, but, you know, it still didn't make you completely afraid of climbing and doing stuff.

01:49:17.000 I mean, I bet you within a couple months you were right back in there doing the stuff again.

01:49:21.000 Yeah, I'm sure I was.

01:49:21.000 I can remember falling out of trees.

01:49:24.000 It felt like every bone in my body had broken, you know?

01:49:26.000 You know, what's amazing is how well kids can manipulate their body, too.

01:49:31.000 My daughter can do, what is that called, when you put your feet on the ground, your back bends, and you put your hand backwards.

01:49:36.000 Yeah, right.

01:49:36.000 Their little spines are so incredibly flexible.

01:49:39.000 And, you know, she can go up on her tippy toes. 1.00

01:49:41.000 She's only six.

01:49:42.000 She can also climb a rope.

01:49:43.000 I have a rope in my garage.

01:49:45.000 You've seen my garage.

01:49:46.000 It's a pretty high ceiling.

01:49:47.000 Yeah, great.

01:49:47.000 She grabs that rope and climbs all the way to the top.

01:49:49.000 And I was watching her do that.

01:49:50.000 I was like, how many women can do that? 1.00

01:49:52.000 Not many.

01:49:52.000 She's a tiny little girl.

01:49:54.000 She's six.

01:49:55.000 How many grown women can support their own weight like that and climb up a big rope? 1.00

01:49:59.000 Most grown men can't do it.

01:50:00.000 No, most grown men can't.

01:50:02.000 They couldn't climb a rope if their life actually depended on it.

01:50:06.000 Yeah, isn't that sad?

01:50:07.000 It is sad.

01:50:08.000 And that's one of the best things I ever did for my kid.

01:50:11.000 I just hung a rope in our foyer of our house.

01:50:13.000 We had like one of those architecturally designed houses that the kitchen went up three floors, you know, with like a bi-level type thing, split level. 1.00

01:50:24.000 And took my life in my own hands with my drill, trying to hang that damn rope, man. 0.93

01:50:30.000 I tied myself in with my jiu-jitsu belt and was leaning over the balcony trying to Find a beam with a beam finder and got the drill. 0.98

01:50:39.000 This is all while the ex-wife is out of the house. 1.00

01:50:41.000 She comes home and she has this rope hanging down in the middle of her foyer by her kitchen.

01:50:48.000 I got both kids climbing that rope.

01:50:50.000 Was that the beginning of the divorce proceedings? 0.53

01:50:51.000 Probably.

01:50:54.000 From the moment I said I do was the beginning of the divorce proceedings.

01:50:57.000 That's how it works sometimes.

01:50:59.000 Sometimes it's just the idea of getting married.

01:51:03.000 We're going to be normal.

01:51:04.000 We're going to be like everybody else.

01:51:05.000 We're going to get married.

01:51:06.000 Once we're married, it'll work out.

01:51:09.000 It never does, man.

01:51:10.000 I prefer an unmarriage, right? 1.00

01:51:12.000 An unmarriage is where I have my money, she has hers. 1.00

01:51:16.000 I got my credit cards, she has hers.

01:51:18.000 I have my...

01:51:20.000 Possession, she has hers. 0.95

01:51:21.000 I don't tell her what to do.

01:51:23.000 She doesn't tell me what to do.

01:51:24.000 It's like an agreement.

01:51:25.000 We're together because we want to be together.

01:51:27.000 We don't need a government agency to tell us that we can live together, and we definitely don't need a government agency telling us that we're allowed to be a partner.

01:51:35.000 Well, that doesn't sound very romantic, Steve.

01:51:38.000 I don't know what kind of woman's going to accept that, but I'll tell you right now, I am not going to. 1.00

01:51:42.000 I'll tell you right now, Steve.

01:51:43.000 I want a traditional marriage.

01:51:45.000 I don't want to be able to tell my friends that I'm married.

01:51:47.000 That's the other thing.

01:51:48.000 Chicks love to tell their friends they're married. 1.00

01:51:50.000 Very few guys are excited to tell their friends they're getting married.

01:51:54.000 Like, see?

01:51:54.000 I got her.

01:51:55.000 She's marrying me.

01:51:56.000 I did it, you know?

01:51:58.000 They go, yay, we're getting married.

01:52:00.000 Like, well, congratulations.

01:52:01.000 But it's never like this milestone accomplishment.

01:52:05.000 Like, wow, you pulled it off.

01:52:06.000 But a girl will be like, look, I'm getting married. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Like, oh my god, I can't believe it.

01:52:11.000 Girls will get so excited.

01:52:12.000 I'm so happy for you.

01:52:14.000 They'll hug.

01:52:15.000 It's a completely different experience for the male.

01:52:17.000 Women have got it in their head, or some, I should say, because of movies and of the stories, you know, this romantic happily ever after idea that they have to get legally bound. 1.00

01:52:29.000 They don't think of it as, you know, the way you look at it is so harsh and so jaded.

01:52:34.000 It's not a legal contract.

01:52:36.000 It's a beautiful agreement, and you take your relationship to a next level.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, until you hit those divorce proceedings, and then you realize, oh, this is a contract.

01:52:47.000 Like, this is a legal contract with the state, and now I've got to bring in lawyers, and we've got to figure out how to fucking divvy up my money, and the lawyers get a giant chunk of that action.

01:52:58.000 That's the big scam. 0.60

01:53:00.000 That's what's...

01:53:00.000 When Phil Hartman, before his wife killed him, when he was trying to get divorced, shot him in his sleep, he...

01:53:07.000 Was ranting to me. 1.00

01:53:08.000 I go, just fucking give her half. 0.99

01:53:10.000 And he was like, it's not half. 0.99

01:53:11.000 That's the thing.

01:53:11.000 It's a third.

01:53:13.000 Because the lawyers get a third, too.

01:53:15.000 You lose two thirds.

01:53:16.000 It's not half.

01:53:17.000 Pretty much, man.

01:53:18.000 And he was just steaming about it.

01:53:20.000 That's why I like the non-marriage, you know? 0.99

01:53:22.000 That's nice, the non-marriage.

01:53:24.000 Everyone keeps their own personality and you don't just get all wrapped up.

01:53:28.000 See this guy?

01:53:29.000 Jamie was showing me these yesterday.

01:53:31.000 This Russian oligarch.

01:53:33.000 Lost $4.5 billion BI in a divorce.

01:53:37.000 Of course, I guess when you have billions and billions, it's probably not that big of a deal.

01:53:42.000 It's a big deal, no matter how much money you got.

01:53:45.000 The idea that some chick is going to be going off banging other dudes with your money and riding Ferraris and flying private jets everywhere and buying castles, all with your cash. 1.00

01:53:55.000 Why? 0.99

01:53:55.000 Because you had sex with her. 0.99

01:53:56.000 I guess they don't have prenups in Russia, huh? 0.97

01:54:00.000 Or if they do, he didn't get one.

01:54:02.000 I mean, he just maybe thought this was going to be different, man. 0.99

01:54:05.000 Fuck all the other 50% of the people that couldn't make it. 0.99

01:54:07.000 I'm not even hedging my bets. 1.00

01:54:09.000 I'm all in.

01:54:10.000 He pushed all his chips on the table and...

01:54:12.000 You know the thing that I think sours a lot of marriages, and I can speak from experience because I've been married and divorced three times.

01:54:19.000 Three times?

01:54:20.000 Three times, yeah. 1.00

01:54:21.000 You fucking crazy man. 1.00

01:54:22.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:54:23.000 I kept going back for more and I finally got smart, you know?

01:54:27.000 Three times.

01:54:28.000 Pretty crazy.

01:54:29.000 Wow.

01:54:30.000 But so many of us guys, we get a woman who is... 0.94

01:54:36.000 What I call the girl.

01:54:38.000 Really fun to be around.

01:54:40.000 Very feminine. 0.90

01:54:44.000 You relate together as friends.

01:54:47.000 And then what do we do?

01:54:48.000 We turn around and change her into a mother. 0.89

01:54:52.000 And mother... 0.51

01:54:56.000 Yeah.

01:55:18.000 Oh yeah.

01:55:18.000 Like a mother substitute.

01:55:20.000 Well they become a dominant role in the man's decision making and they sort of control him in a very motherly way.

01:55:26.000 I think that becomes very unattractive to women too.

01:55:29.000 I don't think a lot of women respect the man. 0.94

01:55:32.000 They don't like that role.

01:55:33.000 I mean, they don't want to be put into that role.

01:55:35.000 You know, a lot of women, you know, they're like a strong guy that kind of takes care of them, right? 1.00

01:55:39.000 Well, I don't know.

01:55:40.000 I mean, I wouldn't want to generalize, but what I've seen from the women that dominate the men, like the guys that I know where the woman tells them what to do, and those guys also have a hard time getting sex. 0.99

01:55:51.000 Like, almost universally.

01:55:52.000 It's almost like a rule.

01:55:54.000 Like, if the woman dominates and the woman tells you what to do and the woman just controls your spending and controls, you know, what your hobbies are and tells you what's going to happen and where you're going to go, those guys don't get much sex.

01:56:04.000 And I don't know if that's related to, like, a woman being attracted to a man that she can't control or not attracted to a man she can control, rather. 0.53

01:56:14.000 Well, the mother doesn't like sex. 1.00

01:56:16.000 The mother is against sex. 0.99

01:56:18.000 And that's what happens so often in these marriages.

01:56:20.000 And, you know, I've had a lot of women that are masseuses and, you know, body workers. 1.00

01:56:26.000 And man, when, you know, they tell me it's uncanny how many other male clients will always proposition and We try to rankle sex out of them.

01:56:36.000 Really?

01:56:36.000 These are legitimate body wear.

01:56:38.000 I'm not talking about prostitutes.

01:56:40.000 Right, right, right.

01:56:41.000 And I mean, it's pretty common.

01:56:42.000 You know, guys are just sex-starved in their relationships and their marriages.

01:56:46.000 But the thing that really used to rankle me most...

01:56:50.000 More than anything, was the way women would not want to be... 1.00

01:56:53.000 They would want to separate their guys from their friends.

01:56:56.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 And they really resented the fact that a guy was coming to jiu-jitsu training.

01:57:00.000 As a guy that owned a jiu-jitsu school, man, the wives and girlfriends would give the guy such a hard time about going and training.

01:57:08.000 If anything, they should be encouraging the guy to go as much as possible.

01:57:13.000 Yeah.

01:57:13.000 And, you know, they pulled these guys out of there.

01:57:15.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:57:16.000 That's a damn shame to do that to a guy. 0.99

01:57:19.000 It's also a damn shame for a guy to pull his woman out of something that she loves to do. 0.99

01:57:23.000 Oh, well, yeah, of course. 0.96

01:57:25.000 I mean, to be fair, of course.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, it's a terrible thing when people try to change the person who they love and control them.

01:57:31.000 I mean, could you imagine your friend doing that to you?

01:57:34.000 Like a friend going, come on, man, you're not going to work out.

01:57:36.000 What are you working out for?

01:57:38.000 I don't want you working out.

01:57:39.000 Hey, I don't want you working out.

01:57:40.000 You're my friend.

01:57:41.000 You're coming with me.

01:57:42.000 You're like, what?

01:57:43.000 Like, I don't like you camping.

01:57:44.000 Why are you camping?

01:57:45.000 You know, I don't like you going to ball games. 1.00

01:57:47.000 He'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:57:49.000 You're crazy! 1.00

01:57:50.000 But when that friend happens to be someone that you have sex with or you're romantically connected to, girlfriend, fiance, wife, whatever you want to call it, that person all of a sudden has some sort of a role they can dictate. 0.99

01:58:02.000 Like, your actual day.

01:58:04.000 Like, dictate what you do.

01:58:05.000 Whether it's a guy doing it to a wife or a girlfriend or a woman doing it to her husband or a boyfriend, it's a weird thing that people just sort of accept.

01:58:12.000 And it happens so often.

01:58:14.000 And it's always gross.

01:58:15.000 It's no wonder that divorce is at its all-time highest rate. 1.00

01:58:19.000 Fucking idiots. 1.00

01:58:21.000 All of us. 1.00

01:58:22.000 You too, right? 1.00

01:58:23.000 And I was an idiot. 1.00

01:58:24.000 I did it three times. 0.99

01:58:25.000 What did you think about on number three? 1.00

01:58:26.000 When that one failed, were you like, motherfucker, what's wrong with me? 0.99

01:58:29.000 Why did I do this three times? 0.99

01:58:31.000 Pretty much.

01:58:31.000 It was like...

01:58:32.000 Damn! 0.99

01:58:33.000 What was I ever thinking, man? 0.99

01:58:35.000 I had a lot of shame, actually, and a lot of feelings of unworthiness or whatever, you know?

01:58:42.000 Like the feeling of being a failure and all that.

01:58:44.000 And then I just realized, well, you know, some people just aren't cut out.

01:58:48.000 I should have never been in that situation in the first place.

01:58:52.000 Which wife did you have the kids with? 1.00

01:58:54.000 The first one and the third one.

01:58:57.000 Oh, wow.

01:58:58.000 So you had kids with both of them.

01:58:59.000 Yeah.

01:59:02.000 So how old is your oldest kid right now?

01:59:05.000 45. Jesus Christ, you got a 45?

01:59:08.000 You got a kid my age.

01:59:09.000 I was 17 years old.

01:59:11.000 Wow. 1.00

01:59:12.000 Pretty much a knucklehead, an idiot. 1.00

01:59:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:14.000 You know, so what would that make her? 1.00

01:59:16.000 That would be, well, she got to be like 45. Wow.

01:59:22.000 That's crazy.

01:59:23.000 Yeah.

01:59:24.000 And then Zach, who's a black belt teacher down at Hoyler Gracie School and Hedges Library.

01:59:31.000 Where's that at?

01:59:32.000 John Fred.

01:59:33.000 That's Gracie San Diego. 1.00

01:59:34.000 Oh, San Diego.

01:59:35.000 Yeah, they just moved in a new place.

01:59:36.000 I haven't even seen their new school yet.

01:59:39.000 Hedges just moved into a new place and it's supposed to be fantastic.

01:59:42.000 What a hotbed San Diego is for training.

01:59:44.000 And his partner is this guy, Joel Freda, Johnny Freda.

01:59:48.000 He's won U.S. Nationals and World Nogi.

01:59:52.000 I think he won Dabi Dabi.

01:59:53.000 I don't know.

01:59:53.000 He's a hell of a Nogi grappler.

01:59:56.000 And Zach teaches for those guys down there.

01:59:58.000 And then Hoyler lends the name to the school and shows up, you know.

02:00:01.000 I mean, he's on the road most of the time.

02:00:02.000 Right, right, right.

02:00:03.000 And so forth.

02:00:04.000 Hoist has kind of done that too, right?

02:00:06.000 Neither one of those guys, they just decided to not have an academy.

02:00:09.000 Yeah, it's hard being tied down to an academy.

02:00:12.000 It's better just to have maybe a place where you can let someone else run it, and then you can go out on the road and do the seminar circuit.

02:00:19.000 And there's still a lot of call for...

02:00:21.000 The seminar circuit is a big thing for jiu-jitsu guys.

02:00:24.000 Eddie Bravo makes a lot of money doing that.

02:00:26.000 That's a big part of his income.

02:00:27.000 He does a lot of travel and a lot of seminars.

02:00:30.000 And even myself, I mean, I get a fair share of jiu-jitsu calls these days.

02:00:33.000 I mean, you know, I was one of the first American black belts and so forth.

02:00:36.000 I don't consider myself an expert in the type of competition game they have now.

02:00:42.000 Mm-hmm.

02:00:42.000 But when it comes to the old school self-defense, the L.A. Gracie self-defense, I can consider myself one of the top authorities.

02:00:50.000 I learned it really well from both Horian and Helson and Elio himself, and it's a fantastic system.

02:00:57.000 It's shocking how many black belts don't even know the basic stand-up self-defense.

02:01:03.000 They don't realize what a great self-defense system Brazilian jiu-jitsu really is.

02:01:07.000 What do you mean by stand-up self-defense?

02:01:09.000 Well, every fight starts standing up.

02:01:10.000 People grab you.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, bear hugs and grabbing you by the hair, by the throat, or grabbing your jacket, or pushing you up against a parked car or a wall.

02:01:19.000 There are self-defense systems in place to either prevent those things or to get yourself out of a bad situation.

02:01:27.000 It doesn't always involve going to the ground per se.

02:01:31.000 And Elliot Gracie was a real master at adapting the old Japanese system and making it more applicable to smaller, weaker people through the use of leverage.

02:01:40.000 And it can even be taught to kids.

02:01:43.000 The Gracie have that anti-bullying system too, which was the finest thing you could teach a kid.

02:01:47.000 I mean, think about karate or taekwondo or whatever that a lot of parents take their kids to.

02:01:52.000 How does that work? 0.55

02:01:54.000 Well, you've got to basically bust somebody in the face, right? 1.00

02:01:57.000 Yeah, you kick them in the head. 0.99

02:01:58.000 Or, you know, that's going to get you thrown out of school for sure. 0.99

02:02:00.000 Right.

02:02:00.000 But at least with jiu-jitsu, you know, you can use other means that's not going to get you suspended from school for, you know, two or three or four weeks or whatever.

02:02:09.000 I was watching one of the UFC Ultimate Insiders yesterday.

02:02:15.000 You know, they have those shows where they detail training camps and stuff.

02:02:18.000 They were talking about T.J. Dillashaw was preparing for this fight, and they had a scroll at the bottom of the screen, and it was about a football player who was under arrest for kicking another football player in the head, and the other guy was in critical condition.

02:02:31.000 Did you hear about that?

02:02:32.000 I mean, I don't know what happened.

02:02:33.000 Was this on the field?

02:02:34.000 Or in the locker room?

02:02:36.000 No idea.

02:02:36.000 It was just the scroll at the bottom and that the player was in critical condition.

02:02:40.000 And then one player kicked him in the head.

02:02:42.000 I don't know if it was pro or college.

02:02:44.000 I don't know what it was.

02:02:46.000 Well, we have a very litigious society.

02:02:48.000 So you use a real violent way to end some type of altercation.

02:02:53.000 Well, you know, you mentioned the truck driver today that was blocking you when you picked up your packages.

02:02:58.000 Yeah.

02:02:58.000 Imagine that when it went south and you start getting really belligerent and getting up in your face, maybe pushing around, right?

02:03:05.000 Jiu-jitsu would have enabled you to control the situation without necessarily hurting the guy.

02:03:10.000 Right.

02:03:11.000 But if you would have resorted to your Muay Thai, and I've seen the way you kick and punch, it's pretty formidable.

02:03:15.000 You could have knocked the guy in the next week. 0.99

02:03:17.000 Well, you could really kill somebody. 0.99

02:03:19.000 That's the real problem.

02:03:19.000 Well, that's the problem.

02:03:20.000 They fall down.

02:03:21.000 Killing people in fights a lot of times happens when you hit them and they go unconscious and they hit their head on the ground.

02:03:28.000 Now imagine if you would have punched him in the face and he would have lost one tooth.

02:03:32.000 I mean imagine a tooth replacement, a dental bill or whatever.

02:03:35.000 There's the thing.

02:03:37.000 Rutgers kicks Philip Nelson off football team after quarterback is charged in assault on Minnesota, man.

02:03:43.000 Is that it? 0.98

02:03:44.000 Crazy, man.

02:03:45.000 The Minnesota guy was a linebacker for Minnesota State.

02:03:47.000 Is this, they have a video of it?

02:03:49.000 Yeah.

02:03:50.000 Oh, play the video. 1.00

02:03:51.000 Damn. 0.99

02:03:51.000 Let's see this. 0.99

02:03:52.000 What happens here?

02:03:54.000 Not so, man.

02:03:55.000 I wonder if they knew what the hell was going on.

02:03:59.000 Everything's videotaped now.

02:04:00.000 It's crazy.

02:04:01.000 Pretty much.

02:04:03.000 Not much privacy.

02:04:07.000 This guy's ruined his life, man.

02:04:09.000 He certainly has.

02:04:15.000 Oh, it was a nightclub or something.

02:04:24.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:04:26.000 So his life is ruined as he knew it.

02:04:27.000 Oh, my God.

02:04:29.000 So he'll be out of school.

02:04:30.000 But see, the point, you know, using the violence of punching and kicking, okay, it worked.

02:04:36.000 There's no doubt.

02:04:37.000 Oh, it definitely worked.

02:04:38.000 But the after effect, you know, the ramifications of using that type of violent behavior, and for children in particular to teach them that...

02:04:48.000 Wow, they're going to be thrown out of school for sure.

02:04:50.000 That's why I always like the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu.

02:04:52.000 You can control it without necessarily having to smash somebody.

02:04:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:04:57.000 The only real problem with that is, of course, multiple people. 1.00

02:05:00.000 But multiple people, most of the time, you're fucked no matter what. 0.99

02:05:02.000 Pretty much. 0.99

02:05:03.000 It's very rare that a guy...

02:05:05.000 It's not like the movie.

02:05:07.000 Like a Jackie Chan movie.

02:05:08.000 Jackie Chan or Jason Satham.

02:05:10.000 Did you ever see that?

02:05:10.000 One video, it was from Turkey, where this guy was a boxer and he was being attacked by this whole group of people.

02:05:17.000 We were watching it during one of the podcasts that we do, and I was doing commentary on it because the guy's a really good boxer.

02:05:24.000 And all these people are chasing after him, and he's dropping them left and right.

02:05:28.000 There's like... 0.99

02:05:29.000 Fucking 10 or 15 guys chasing after him. 0.99

02:05:32.000 And he drops like 10 of them. 0.99

02:05:34.000 They're circling around him and a guy comes forward.

02:05:36.000 Crack! 0.98

02:05:36.000 He pops this guy. 0.98

02:05:37.000 Crack! 0.98

02:05:38.000 He pops that guy.

02:05:38.000 They're trying to grab him.

02:05:39.000 He's backing up, dropping guys.

02:05:41.000 It was really like a scene in a movie.

02:05:43.000 Like if you saw it in a movie, you would say, well, this is fun to watch, but in real life this never happens.

02:05:48.000 But this actually did happen.

02:05:49.000 Yeah, actually did.

02:05:49.000 Like that movie Old Boy.

02:05:51.000 Here it is.

02:05:51.000 Here's a video.

02:05:52.000 They're chasing after this guy.

02:05:55.000 And so after they're chasing after this guy, they get out, people start arguing, and they're chasing after him, but the guy knows how to fight.

02:06:01.000 Bam! 0.98

02:06:01.000 He drops that guy. 0.98

02:06:02.000 Bam! 0.98

02:06:02.000 He drops that guy. 0.98

02:06:03.000 Bam! 0.98

02:06:03.000 He drops that guy. 0.98

02:06:04.000 They're all chasing after him, and now they're getting mad because he keeps dropping these guys.

02:06:08.000 Look, he's got his hands up.

02:06:10.000 He's got a good jab, too.

02:06:11.000 Check this jab out.

02:06:12.000 Look at that.

02:06:13.000 Bam! 0.98

02:06:13.000 Look at that jab. 0.98

02:06:14.000 Drops that guy with a jab.

02:06:15.000 Look at this.

02:06:16.000 Bam! 0.98

02:06:17.000 That's just a stiff jab.

02:06:18.000 Not bad.

02:06:19.000 And they're all running after him.

02:06:20.000 He's moving back, and he's got the state of mind.

02:06:22.000 Look at that.

02:06:23.000 Drops that guy, drops that guy. 0.96

02:06:24.000 He's got the state of mind to move back and then pause for a second and fire, too.

02:06:30.000 Catching guys coming in.

02:06:31.000 He's obviously trained.

02:06:32.000 Look at that jab.

02:06:33.000 Boom! 0.99

02:06:33.000 He's very well trained. 0.99

02:06:34.000 Yeah, obviously.

02:06:35.000 Hands up high.

02:06:36.000 And turning left and right and dropping dudes.

02:06:39.000 I guess it seems like they're playing the same thing over and over again, so it's probably only five or six guys, but still.

02:06:46.000 Well, they're coming at them one at a time, and obviously they weren't trained people.

02:06:50.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 I think if you're, you know, imagine trying to fight trained guys, but, you know, how often do you ever find trained guys out in the street?

02:06:57.000 And if you do, what a terrible situation.

02:06:59.000 That'd be a horrible situation, but for the most part, you know, thugs aren't well-trained. 0.99

02:07:04.000 Well, I had a friend who got in an argument with a guy while they're in their cars, and they're yelling at each other, fuck you, fuck you, and pull over, fuck you, and they pulled over, and they both got out of the car, and both guys could fight. 0.99

02:07:17.000 One guy shot, and the other guy stuffed the takedown. 1.00

02:07:20.000 They start duking it out on their feet, and they're like, holy shit! 0.99

02:07:23.000 And they were both, like, really well-trained. 0.98

02:07:26.000 And he said, we were going at it for, like, ten minutes before both of us were exhausted, and they wound up high-fiving each other and get back in their car and drive it away! 0.96

02:07:35.000 So they fucking both realized that they thought they were going to tee off on some dude who didn't know how to fight. 0.94

02:07:42.000 The guy shoots in for a double. 0.99

02:07:43.000 The other guy gets underhooks and sprawls. 1.00

02:07:45.000 And they look at each other like, what the fuck's going on here? 1.00

02:07:47.000 And they're like feinting each other, leg kicking each other and shit. 1.00

02:07:50.000 They were actually duking it out. 0.98

02:07:52.000 And then somewhere along the line, they were having fun.

02:07:54.000 And they realized they were having respect for each other.

02:07:57.000 And then they high-fived each other and got back in their cars.

02:07:59.000 What are the odds?

02:08:00.000 Very rare.

02:08:01.000 Very rare. 1.00

02:08:02.000 Very rare also that they could go through that and laugh, you know, and go, ah, it's fucking stupid. 1.00

02:08:07.000 Let's get out of here. 1.00

02:08:08.000 And, you know, bruised up. 1.00

02:08:09.000 It's always stupid, right? 1.00

02:08:11.000 Always. 1.00

02:08:11.000 It always ends up being stupid. 1.00

02:08:12.000 I mean, those type of things. 1.00

02:08:14.000 Well, the worst is the drunken moments, like probably these guys that are at this nightclub, this football player, kicking this guy while he's down.

02:08:20.000 And also, the crazy thing is movies that show head trauma and make it out like it's no big deal.

02:08:26.000 Guy gets pistol whipped and he wakes up later, what happened?

02:08:29.000 Meanwhile, he's fine, you know, and he's just still saving the day. 0.99

02:08:32.000 You know, you get pistol whipped, you're probably fucked up for about six months. 0.99

02:08:35.000 You're going to be, yeah, a serious concussion, man. 0.96

02:08:38.000 Yeah, I mean, Matt Grice, I don't know if you know who he is, UFC fighter, great guy, was hit in a collision, was rear-ended, going 65 miles an hour.

02:08:47.000 Somebody just wasn't paying attention.

02:08:50.000 I don't know what the details were, but his car was plowed into.

02:08:54.000 Had brain surgery.

02:08:55.000 I mean, barely made it.

02:08:56.000 Big scar on his head.

02:08:57.000 They had to remove a plate from his head.

02:08:59.000 They moved a piece of his skull to give his brain a relief from the pressure, and then they had to put it back in place.

02:09:06.000 But, you know, he was talking about how much it affects him, how much mental fatigue he has.

02:09:11.000 Oh, my God, yes.

02:09:12.000 It creates, like we were talking about earlier, you know, like the NFL. I mean, look at the whole concussion controversy right now.

02:09:19.000 It's going to change football as we know it.

02:09:21.000 What are they going to do about that?

02:09:22.000 Because the sport, it's almost like MMA. How would you take away the concussions in MMA? I don't even know how that would happen.

02:09:30.000 You can't.

02:09:30.000 Unless it would be some kind of body shots only in wrestling or something.

02:09:35.000 But that, I don't know.

02:09:37.000 I don't think the fans would buy it.

02:09:39.000 The other thing that happens that you see in MMA is when a guy gets knocked out, how easy it is for him to get hurt after that.

02:09:47.000 Like, Anderson Silva is a perfect example.

02:09:49.000 Goes through his entire career, looks like he has a chin of iron.

02:09:53.000 You know, fights everybody, never gets hurt.

02:09:55.000 Even if he gets dropped, gets right back up, seems like he's fine.

02:09:58.000 You know, fights all these killers.

02:10:00.000 And then Chris Weidman shuts his lights out.

02:10:03.000 And then the next fight, Chris Weidman drops him with a punch that looks like he would absorb that punch under any other circumstance.

02:10:09.000 If you look at his entire career, he was hit with harder punches, hit with cleaner punches, seemed to be fine.

02:10:14.000 But he takes that one shot from Weidman and you see his eyes roll back and he goes down.

02:10:18.000 He recovers, he's hanging on for dear life and clenching, but you gotta sense that he's damaged.

02:10:24.000 It's accumulative.

02:10:25.000 The nervous system gets insulted like that and it just builds and builds and builds.

02:10:29.000 I remember as a college wrestler my senior year, I was illegally slammed in my head and had a pretty bad concussion.

02:10:37.000 And I had another incident in training.

02:10:40.000 Same thing.

02:10:41.000 And they told me even back then, and this is back in the 70s, that one more, I was banned for the season.

02:10:47.000 That was it.

02:10:48.000 Wow.

02:10:48.000 Yeah.

02:10:49.000 But not in MMA. No.

02:10:50.000 So many guys get knocked out in training and then wind up fighting.

02:10:55.000 Eddie Alvarez just pulled out of his big fight with Michael Chandler, and one of the things that he was talking about was that he had gotten knocked out before their last fight.

02:11:02.000 He got knocked out in training a few weeks before the fight and got through it okay, but that this one, he had gotten hit in training wrestling.

02:11:12.000 Someone sprawled and he got hit in the head when a guy used his hips.

02:11:16.000 And just a collision, you know?

02:11:18.000 Yeah, sure.

02:11:18.000 Just a random collision.

02:11:19.000 And then another random collision while he was trying to get a single, the guy pulled his leg out, and as the guy's kicking his leg out, he hit him on the chin.

02:11:26.000 And, you know, thinks he's fine, just training hard like normal, but then can't get over the headaches.

02:11:32.000 It hurts him to move his head around and then he goes to a neurologist and he gets CAT scans done, the whole deal, and they realize you're not going to be fighting.

02:11:42.000 It's going to be very interesting to see what happens in these next 10 years with the first crop of mixed martial arts fighters and how they age.

02:11:50.000 Some of these guys are getting a little bit older now and what the permanent ramifications are going to be from all those brain injuries and so forth.

02:11:58.000 And I think it's going to be similar to what we saw in boxing with a lot of these guys.

02:12:02.000 Having dementia and the classic punch drunk.

02:12:07.000 It would be interesting.

02:12:09.000 I agree with you, and I think that it kind of brings up the question that we were talking about with Dan Gable.

02:12:14.000 Like, is that glory worth having those hip replacements?

02:12:17.000 Is one thing to have your body aching, But it's another thing to have your mind compromised to the point where the quality of your thinking has greatly deteriorated.

02:12:26.000 Not just your ability to move your body, but your ability to communicate with people.

02:12:30.000 Like when you used to hear Joe Frazier before he died, it was painful to listen to.

02:12:34.000 I actually saw him out on the street, you know, because I lived in Philly.

02:12:37.000 And I, you know, I actually saw him walking down past Yonk Avenue right where I lived.

02:12:42.000 People said, hey, Joe.

02:12:43.000 And the poor guy, you couldn't understand a word he said.

02:12:46.000 The way he would slur his speech.

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 It was like really, really, really sad.

02:12:50.000 Do you ever foresee in the future, remember how McCain was trying to ban MMA for the longest time right after the initial thing got started?

02:13:03.000 Right.

02:13:03.000 Do you think, do you foresee any of that happening again?

02:13:06.000 No.

02:13:06.000 It could.

02:13:07.000 As this type of thing happens, I'm just curious.

02:13:09.000 It could, but it would be very...

02:13:11.000 On the inside.

02:13:12.000 It would be...

02:13:12.000 The only way that would be possible is if someone figured out a way to make football safe.

02:13:18.000 Because if they don't make football safe, they're not going to ban football.

02:13:20.000 Football is the national pastime.

02:13:22.000 It's too big a sport.

02:13:23.000 Too big, too huge, too many people love it, too many people look forward to it.

02:13:26.000 Football season is just a huge part of being American.

02:13:29.000 If they don't ban that and someone wants to ban MMA, it's going to be a real problem.

02:13:33.000 It's going to be hard to reconcile.

02:13:36.000 But, you know, they say that, well, the difference is that football, the goal is not to knock a man unconscious.

02:13:41.000 The goal is to get a ball across the line to score.

02:13:44.000 Correct.

02:13:44.000 Sort of like organized team warfare.

02:13:46.000 Yeah, it's all well and good, but what's happening?

02:13:49.000 What is actually happening?

02:13:50.000 What's actually happening is giant people are slamming into each other.

02:13:54.000 And one of the things that this guy told me that I found incredibly fascinating...

02:13:58.000 About concussions.

02:13:59.000 He's like, the big misconception about concussions is that it has to be from head injury.

02:14:04.000 He's like, what you don't realize is you can get a concussion from getting hit in the chest.

02:14:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:14:09.000 A hard shot to the chest, like football players colliding with each other.

02:14:13.000 Not even making contact with the head, but just the boom, the impact of these enormous, powerful bodies slamming into each other causes the brain to rattle around inside your skull.

02:14:25.000 They wash up against the side of the brain pan.

02:14:27.000 And that causes concussions.

02:14:28.000 And there's a lot of guys who suffer concussions with no head trauma.

02:14:32.000 Their head doesn't actually get...

02:14:34.000 It's not a direct head contact.

02:14:36.000 It's just the body getting rocked by an impact.

02:14:39.000 How are you going to take that out of sports?

02:14:41.000 Any sport, even basketball, guys fall down.

02:14:44.000 Combat sports.

02:14:45.000 Yeah, I mean, one of the things that the guys can do...

02:14:49.000 Boom! 0.99

02:14:50.000 There's a perfect example, Jamie.

02:14:52.000 That guy got a concussion.

02:14:54.000 Watch this.

02:14:55.000 Look at this.

02:14:56.000 Look at his head.

02:15:00.000 The way it snapped forward.

02:15:01.000 Oh my goodness, and the size of that man who grabbed him.

02:15:04.000 Jesus, Louisa.

02:15:06.000 Like, if you think about a guy like Lawrence Taylor going full clip, or Ray Lewis.

02:15:11.000 That's just like a nightmare.

02:15:15.000 These guys can go 100 yards in, like, sprinter time.

02:15:21.000 Elite sprinter time.

02:15:22.000 And they're 300 pounds of muscle.

02:15:25.000 Yeah, it's shocking.

02:15:26.000 The forces that go into the whole thing.

02:15:28.000 By the way, not possible without steroids. 0.99

02:15:30.000 I don't give a fuck what anybody says. 0.99

02:15:31.000 You don't get that big. 1.00

02:15:32.000 You don't get that strong.

02:15:33.000 You don't get that fast.

02:15:34.000 Test them all you want. 1.00

02:15:36.000 There's some shit going on. 1.00

02:15:37.000 There's a lot of those fucking dudes that are on the juice. 1.00

02:15:40.000 If you go back in time and you look at the football players from the 1960s and you look at the football players of today, sure, you had your guys. 0.99

02:15:48.000 You had your big guys.

02:15:49.000 Yeah, you had your...

02:15:50.000 Who was the...

02:15:53.000 The guy who did commentary in UFC 1, Jim Brown.

02:15:57.000 Jim Brown.

02:15:58.000 Jim Brown, super athlete.

02:15:59.000 Super athlete.

02:16:00.000 Natural.

02:16:00.000 One of the greatest ever.

02:16:02.000 Fantastic athlete.

02:16:04.000 Those guys today are so much bigger than him.

02:16:06.000 He's a little guy by their standards.

02:16:08.000 Go back even further.

02:16:10.000 Let's take Jim Thorpe.

02:16:11.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:12.000 I grew up in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, where Jim Thorpe went to the Indian school there in Carlisle, PA. No kidding.

02:16:19.000 And I went to school with his nephews, his grandnephews.

02:16:23.000 Both boys were.

02:16:24.000 What was he like as he got older?

02:16:27.000 He became an alcoholic, unfortunately.

02:16:29.000 He was penniless.

02:16:30.000 He was stripped of his Olympic medals for playing a one pro baseball game or something, getting paid for a game.

02:16:36.000 What?

02:16:36.000 Yeah, they had stripped his medals from him for his amazing Olympic performance.

02:16:40.000 Wait a minute.

02:16:41.000 Because he did the baseball game before the Olympics or after the Olympics?

02:16:45.000 No, no, before.

02:16:46.000 He had actually got paid – made a nominal amount of money, I don't know, $15 or something for playing a game and he was stripped of his medals.

02:16:54.000 But he died just basically a ditch digger and a penniless guy.

02:16:58.000 But to give you an idea of how versatile the football players were in those days, my – My friend, the nephew of Jim Thorpe, told me this story that he missed the bus from Carlisle to Harrisburg to play the game.

02:17:13.000 So he ran from Carlisle to Harrisburg, which is about 18 and a half miles, to the game and got there in time to play the second half and scored several touchdowns.

02:17:24.000 How far is that?

02:17:25.000 18 miles!

02:17:26.000 18 miles?

02:17:27.000 Yes!

02:17:28.000 He ran 18 miles?

02:17:29.000 Dog tried at 18 miles, got there in time to play the second half, and actually did a couple scores.

02:17:36.000 That's insane.

02:17:36.000 Talk about an insane athlete.

02:17:38.000 How big was he?

02:17:40.000 You know, I don't know.

02:17:41.000 Bring it up.

02:17:43.000 Jim Thorpe, he wasn't a big guy, but they played both ways.

02:17:46.000 You played offense and you played defense.

02:17:49.000 Yeah, look at that.

02:17:49.000 He looks like a UFC welterweight.

02:17:51.000 And he was a damn good boxer and wrestler, too. 0.95

02:17:53.000 Wow. 0.88

02:17:54.000 But, I mean, that was back in the day where they didn't suffer the terrible head traumas because it was more of an arm-grabbing wrestling kind of game.

02:18:03.000 And we're guys smaller, too.

02:18:04.000 And smaller.

02:18:05.000 And I stayed in Sydney.

02:18:07.000 I love Australia.

02:18:08.000 I love the Aussies. 0.54

02:18:09.000 And I was teaching jiu-jitsu down there.

02:18:11.000 And they're really into Australian rules football.

02:18:13.000 And it's very similar to rugby.

02:18:15.000 The guys don't get nearly the traumatic injuries that they do in the NFL. It's more like organized team wrestling.

02:18:22.000 They're out there wrestling.

02:18:23.000 In fact, they train a lot of wrestling for these guys.

02:18:27.000 They bring wrestlers in to teach them basic wrestling holds.

02:18:32.000 I think it's the modern equipment that allows these guys to hit each other with such force.

02:18:37.000 Well, that is the big argument about football, that if you really wanted to make football safer, you would take away the helmets.

02:18:42.000 And people are like, that's so counterintuitive.

02:18:43.000 How can you protect people by taking away protection?

02:18:47.000 But the reality is that protection, it's a fake sense of security.

02:18:51.000 It's a fake sense of security.

02:18:51.000 Take the gloves off the UFC fighters like they did in the first four.

02:18:55.000 Okay, you're going to see a lot of surface cuts.

02:18:57.000 Right.

02:18:57.000 You know, facial cuts, you know, from the knuckles.

02:19:00.000 But you're not going to see the traumatic head injuries like you do with the gloves.

02:19:06.000 Right.

02:19:06.000 Those gloves allow guys to punch so freaking hard that make the hands like weapons.

02:19:11.000 But you take the gloves off, man, the hand's pretty fragile.

02:19:15.000 Yeah.

02:19:15.000 You're not going to just be grounding and pounding like a, you know...

02:19:18.000 Do you think if they did that you'd start to see guys practicing on the Makiwara?

02:19:21.000 Remember those Japanese? 0.69

02:19:23.000 You probably would.

02:19:24.000 You'd have to definitely tuck in your hands.

02:19:25.000 Machida still does a lot of that. 1.00

02:19:26.000 Machida still practices on the Makiwara.

02:19:28.000 I think you'd see a lot of open hand strikes as well.

02:19:30.000 I think you're right. 0.94

02:19:31.000 Remember when Keith Hackney fought that gigantic sumo dude and essentially bitch slapped him? 1.00

02:19:38.000 Bitch slapped him, yeah. 1.00

02:19:39.000 Just dropped him. 1.00

02:19:39.000 The guy was like 600 pounds, Emmanuel Yarbrough. 1.00

02:19:41.000 He hit him with this gigantic... 0.99

02:19:44.000 Like swinging bitch slap. 1.00

02:19:45.000 Which is a great self-defense technique, by the way. 0.99

02:19:47.000 Your palm.

02:19:48.000 It's amazing how much impact your palm can take and not get hurt.

02:19:52.000 I mean, you could do that.

02:19:53.000 Look, I'm doing this on this hard oak table. 0.98

02:19:55.000 If I did that with my knuckles, it would fucking hurt. 0.98

02:19:58.000 Oh, and plus, you know, you could so easily break your hand. 0.98

02:20:02.000 My jiu-jitsu master, Helson Gracie, was a renowned street fighter in his own right.

02:20:08.000 And he used to practice open hand techniques all the time.

02:20:11.000 He used to, we call it slap in the bag, so to speak.

02:20:13.000 And he always taught us not to use closed fists in any type of realistic confrontation.

02:20:20.000 Open hand strikes are quite effective for self-defense. 0.98

02:20:23.000 Yeah, you could certainly fuck somebody up. 0.98

02:20:25.000 The best example of that is Bas Rutten. 0.95

02:20:27.000 Bas Rutten in Pancrase, in Pancrase?

02:20:29.000 Why am I making up names?

02:20:31.000 Pancrase, Bas figured out, Bas has like really flexible wrists in some way, and he figured out how to pull his hands His hands go, like, you see how my hand, like, if I was striking, my hand goes out.

02:20:43.000 It's like, sort of, like, not even 90 degrees, not quite.

02:20:46.000 Bosses would go way back, like this.

02:20:49.000 I don't know how the hell he did it, where they stretched his wrists out.

02:20:51.000 Probably did.

02:20:52.000 But when he was striking, he was doing boxing techniques, whereas in Pancreas, everybody else was kind of slapping and swinging.

02:20:59.000 Boss was throwing straight palm strikes and palm hooks.

02:21:04.000 So he was throwing them in a very traditional boxing way and knocking guys senseless.

02:21:09.000 Iron palm technique.

02:21:11.000 Yeah, incredible power behind his straight right palm technique.

02:21:15.000 You know, he was a great puncher.

02:21:16.000 So he just pulled his hands back and threw punches.

02:21:18.000 But threw punches with his palm.

02:21:20.000 And was able to...

02:21:21.000 Really, that was the thing about pancreas. 0.79

02:21:24.000 It's like, you know, that they were not allowed to use closed fists on the ground.

02:21:28.000 They were using to the body, but they were not allowed to use them on the face.

02:21:31.000 Standing up or on the ground.

02:21:32.000 So everything had to be these kind of slaps. 0.99

02:21:34.000 But Bas just threw the whole fucking system out of whack because he would just crush guys. 0.99

02:21:40.000 With that palm heel check, Dean. 0.99

02:21:41.000 He's another guy that's in some serious pain right now.

02:21:43.000 He's got one atrophied arm.

02:21:46.000 His arm is shriveled up and he's going through all these different treatments to try to regenerate the nerves and the tissue in his arm.

02:21:52.000 It's real sad.

02:21:54.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a hell of a...

02:21:55.000 No one ever said that these sports are healthy.

02:21:57.000 You know, you do it because you love it.

02:21:58.000 There's something inside you that makes you want to do it.

02:22:01.000 But, you know, I mean, truth be known, grappling is something you can do pretty well in an advanced age.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:06.000 Well, Elio was like 90 and he was still grappling, right?

02:22:09.000 Yeah, he was in his mid-90s.

02:22:10.000 Yeah, he was like 95, 96. What was he like rolling around?

02:22:13.000 You rolled around with him, right?

02:22:14.000 Yeah.

02:22:14.000 When he was that old?

02:22:15.000 He was amazing.

02:22:17.000 He liked to lie there and let you try to do stuff to him.

02:22:19.000 He loved to play that game.

02:22:21.000 And it was like he could read your mind.

02:22:23.000 He already knew what you wanted to do before you even did it.

02:22:25.000 But he moved well.

02:22:26.000 He moved very well.

02:22:27.000 Wow.

02:22:27.000 He moved really, really well.

02:22:28.000 He had hurt his knee jumping off the back of a truck.

02:22:32.000 Yeah, so he was a little stiff in his knee, but he was a pretty mobile guy.

02:22:37.000 Even in his 90s, it was amazing how well he moved around.

02:22:41.000 What do you think about, like, there's techniques today that you're seeing in jiu-jitsu, in MMA, all these jiu-jitsu techniques that were not in the original systems.

02:22:52.000 There's all these newfound movements that some guys just don't want to adapt to.

02:22:57.000 They don't want to incorporate them into their strategy, into their game.

02:23:01.000 What do you think about that?

02:23:03.000 I find that to be incredibly weird because jujitsu itself was like this new thing, these new effective techniques that the folks that were originally learning them didn't know.

02:23:15.000 Elio Gracie, Carlos Gracie, they take these techniques, they modify them, they make them even better, so they essentially have this completely new system They brought it to America, especially in 1993 when the UFC came along.

02:23:25.000 That's what the whole thing was about.

02:23:27.000 It was about these new techniques that people couldn't defend against because they weren't aware of them.

02:23:31.000 But now they don't incorporate new techniques into this system.

02:23:36.000 And the idea that it's perfect as is and that it can't be improved upon, I think that's a little short-sighted and a little weird considering how the system started in the first place.

02:23:46.000 Well, you have to think of it like this.

02:23:48.000 Combat versus sport.

02:23:50.000 Real fighting versus sport fighting.

02:23:52.000 The rules will dictate the techniques.

02:23:54.000 Just like taekwondo. 0.57

02:23:56.000 At one time it was a fairly formidable martial art.

02:23:58.000 But because once it became an Olympic sport, it just became so stylized that taekwondo almost became useless as a martial art.

02:24:06.000 Take Judo, for example.

02:24:08.000 The original Judo was basically identical to Jiu-Jitsu, but once it became an Olympic sport and people started practicing it within the rules, they became more and more stylized to the point where Judo lost any semblance of being a real martial art that you could use for self-defense.

02:24:24.000 So I think what the Gracie Jiu Jitsu practitioners are saying is we don't want to take some of these newfound techniques and incorporate it in our style because this is for sport only.

02:24:35.000 This is stuff that you would only do in the sport itself.

02:24:40.000 And that we want to stay with the more traditional combat-oriented techniques that have been tried, true, and proven for many, many centuries, really, if you think about it. 0.94

02:24:50.000 That being said, my son said something to me, because I was kind of ragging on 50-50 and Barambolo, and he says, yeah, but Pop, if you don't know this stuff, you're going to get your ass handed to you by some guy that does.

02:25:04.000 So it's best to be familiar with All of the stuff. 0.52

02:25:07.000 So I thought that made an interesting point.

02:25:09.000 But, you know, when it comes to UFC, I mean, obviously you're not going to bear and bowl of somebody.

02:25:13.000 You're going to get your lights punched out.

02:25:15.000 I'm not going to jump guard in the parking lot out here if some guy would give me a hard time.

02:25:20.000 Right, but if you do wind up scrambling, you fall on the ground, the guy's on top of you, the guard does work in a street fight.

02:25:26.000 Oh, hell yeah, man.

02:25:28.000 I can't tell you how many students in Philadelphia have been.

02:25:30.000 I myself had a few scrapes, and boy, it worked beautifully.

02:25:34.000 But once again, we're not fighting trained fighters.

02:25:37.000 Yes, exactly.

02:25:37.000 We're not entering into a contract to put on a show and to fight each other.

02:25:42.000 Right.

02:25:42.000 I mean, by that logic, you would never use the guard in the street.

02:25:46.000 Why would you use the guard in the street?

02:25:47.000 The guard seems like something that you would use in a sport only.

02:25:50.000 I mean, you're on your back.

02:25:51.000 Why would you ever put yourself in that position?

02:25:53.000 Only because a guy puts you there.

02:25:55.000 Right, exactly.

02:25:55.000 Because you have no choice.

02:25:57.000 In that respect, then the 50-50, which is, for folks who don't know, it's almost like two guys going for heel hooks at the same time.

02:26:03.000 Yeah, pretty much.

02:26:04.000 Interlocked leg position. 0.99

02:26:05.000 If you're in a situation where somehow or another in a mad scramble you wind up with a guy like that, boy, a heel hook in the fucking street would be absolutely devastating. 0.98

02:26:13.000 Well, if the guy wouldn't get up and chase you, you could just walk away and he'd be laying there. 0.93

02:26:18.000 Oh, the heel hook is one of the worst techniques ever as far as going from not feeling any pain to irreparable damage or damage that you're going to have to get surgery for.

02:26:31.000 It's like that.

02:26:31.000 You don't have play.

02:26:34.000 You have a little bit of play in an arm bar.

02:26:35.000 Like here, you're okay. 0.99

02:26:37.000 Here, you're like, fuck, I might have to tap. 0.99

02:26:39.000 Alright, I'm tapping. 0.99

02:26:40.000 With a heel hook, by the time it gets up, things are ripping apart.

02:26:44.000 Yeah, thanks for the injury.

02:26:45.000 Because you don't have the sensory nerves on what it about.

02:26:48.000 A lot of the leg locks were originally Russian sambo.

02:26:53.000 Really?

02:26:53.000 Yeah.

02:26:54.000 They were very highly developed by the Russian Samboists.

02:26:59.000 They had their own grappling style.

02:27:01.000 And the Gracies actually learned a lot of these techniques and took the Sambo and embraced it and put it as part of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

02:27:09.000 The Machados did an awful lot of that too.

02:27:11.000 They studied sambo, they competed.

02:27:13.000 I actually saw a couple early Gracie videos of Hickson and Jean-Jacques and Higgins competing in sambo tournaments in California.

02:27:24.000 And yeah, it's real interesting.

02:27:26.000 This Russian guy beat both, he beat two Machados and then met Hickson in the finals and Hickson beat the guy in the finals.

02:27:34.000 Interesting.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, it was really good.

02:27:36.000 This Russian guy is pretty good.

02:27:37.000 What's his name?

02:27:37.000 Oh man, I don't know.

02:27:39.000 This was years ago I saw this video.

02:27:40.000 This is an old footage that I saw in Horian's office.

02:27:44.000 But at any rate, they were a military technique.

02:27:48.000 If you maimed a soldier, maimed him, then it would take at least two comrades to take him out.

02:27:54.000 So now you've put three people.

02:27:56.000 Out of the picture.

02:27:58.000 Oh, so they would rip apart the knees. 1.00

02:28:00.000 Yeah, so now the guy's all maimed.

02:28:02.000 And so now it takes at least two buddies to help get the guy back.

02:28:05.000 So you put three people out of the fight with one maiming.

02:28:09.000 Oh, here it is.

02:28:11.000 Is this...

02:28:11.000 This might be it.

02:28:12.000 Is that Hickson?

02:28:16.000 That's Jean-Jacques.

02:28:17.000 That's Jean-Jacques. 0.99

02:28:19.000 There was a blonde Russian dude that was kicking everyone's ass in this one jiu-jitsu tournament. 1.00

02:28:25.000 Oh yeah, they're going after leg locks. 1.00

02:28:27.000 The Sambos are devastating with those freaking legs, man. 1.00

02:28:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:28:32.000 That's John Jacques.

02:28:33.000 Remember Oleg Tiktarov?

02:28:34.000 That's John Jacques, though, that just did that.

02:28:36.000 John Jacques in the blue.

02:28:38.000 I remember Hickson was wearing this...

02:28:39.000 Remember the colorful shorts he was wearing? 0.98

02:28:42.000 The one tournament that I saw, there was a blonde Russian guy that was pretty much kicking everyone's ass, and then... 1.00

02:28:49.000 Hickson was wearing those multicolored shorts that he was famous for in the beach fight in Rio when he fought Hugo Duarte. 0.88

02:28:56.000 Yeah.

02:28:57.000 This is Higgins. 1.00

02:28:59.000 Higgins in his day was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:29:01.000 Oh my god, he still is probably. 1.00

02:29:02.000 Yeah.

02:29:02.000 I haven't seen him lately.

02:29:03.000 He's a big guy now, but...

02:29:05.000 Yeah, that's interesting.

02:29:07.000 That is very interesting.

02:29:09.000 How familiar are you with prolo therapy?

02:29:12.000 I don't know much about it.

02:29:14.000 Or maybe I know it by another name.

02:29:16.000 Proliferation therapy.

02:29:18.000 Prolotherapy is they inject this glucose solution into joints, into ligaments, and it actually thickens the ligaments.

02:29:25.000 That's interesting because I have read a lot about the hydrolonic acid that they inject into joints for osteoarthritis and so forth.

02:29:32.000 I think that, yeah.

02:29:34.000 It works in a similar way, I think, to kind of hydrate the connective tissue in there.

02:29:41.000 Oh, okay.

02:29:42.000 What I was bringing it up is because I knew a dude who used to get it done even though he didn't have injuries.

02:29:47.000 He would get it done on his elbows and his knees just to thicken up and strengthen the tendons and ligaments just for training.

02:29:54.000 Because apparently it can strengthen it as much as 40%.

02:29:58.000 Well, that's pretty impressive.

02:29:59.000 It's very impressive, right?

02:30:00.000 Wow.

02:30:00.000 Yeah, and they would...

02:30:01.000 When you inject it, it's really painful.

02:30:04.000 I had it done on my knee, and I had it done on my wrist.

02:30:06.000 It did wonders for my wrist.

02:30:07.000 I broke my wrist when I was kickboxing, like, in 19...

02:30:13.000 88 or 89. It had fucked with me for a long time until I got this prolotherapy on it and whatever it did, it really...

02:30:19.000 It just wasn't right. 0.99

02:30:20.000 Yeah.

02:30:20.000 I mean, it went away a little bit on its own.

02:30:22.000 It got better on its own, but it would click all the time and it would just...

02:30:24.000 It would ache after it would train for a long time.

02:30:27.000 But this prolotherapy, somehow or another, by injecting it directly into the ligaments, it forces the ligaments to swell and then strengthens them.

02:30:35.000 Yeah.

02:30:35.000 Sort of like the hydrolysis.

02:30:37.000 Now, there's enough...

02:30:38.000 It stays thick.

02:30:39.000 There's another therapy that a lot of people don't know of, but back in the 70s was huge.

02:30:43.000 It's the DMSO, dimethylsulfur oxide.

02:30:46.000 I'm a big advocate of this stuff.

02:30:48.000 And you can still buy it in some health food stores.

02:30:50.000 Why did they stop selling that?

02:30:51.000 Well, the FDA at one point, the big pharma companies can't make any money on it.

02:30:57.000 They can't own the patent.

02:30:58.000 And this is about the time when all the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, you know, like ibuprofen or Advil or whatever, We're good to go.

02:31:23.000 And, wow, this stuff works.

02:31:25.000 And it works well.

02:31:27.000 It's like for horses, right?

02:31:29.000 Yeah, they used to use it as a liniment for racehorses.

02:31:32.000 And you put it topically on the skin.

02:31:34.000 It has this unique property of sinking right through into the connective tissues.

02:31:38.000 And it has an amazing anti-inflammatory effect.

02:31:42.000 It really helps the body with its own healing process.

02:31:47.000 Yeah, I remember guys used to use it back in the Taekwondo days when they would get injuries to their feet, like kicking things, kick elbows and stuff like that.

02:31:55.000 Guys would rub it on their feet, their shins, things along those lines.

02:31:58.000 Yeah, I'm using it now.

02:32:00.000 I hadn't used it for years, but I decided to try it again.

02:32:02.000 I've been putting it on the shoulder that had been bothering me.

02:32:05.000 And wow, I can't believe in just one week how much better the shoulder feels.

02:32:10.000 More pain-free than it's been in a while.

02:32:12.000 Which makes me wonder why I wasn't doing it.

02:32:15.000 But see, when I was doing it before, I was still doing the kettlebell snatches.

02:32:20.000 And I've become a bit of a critic about the kettlebell snatch.

02:32:24.000 Why is that?

02:32:25.000 I think it puts an awful lot of trauma on the wrist, elbow, and shoulder.

02:32:30.000 For no good reason.

02:32:31.000 You know, people say, oh, the snatch is the penultimate lift and kettlebell lifting and all this and that.

02:32:36.000 Man, I can't tell you how many people I've seen injure themselves.

02:32:39.000 I'm not talking about people using crappy technique.

02:32:41.000 Right.

02:32:41.000 Using the technique, you know, really good technique, and still suffering osteoarthritis and rheumatoid problems.

02:32:48.000 I mean, you think about it.

02:32:49.000 You take a heavy weight and you continuously throw it over your head, continuously, over time, and of course you're going to get repeated trauma.

02:32:58.000 What about presses?

02:32:59.000 Presses are fantastic.

02:33:01.000 So you think that...

02:33:02.000 What is about the motion?

02:33:03.000 Well, you're swinging this kettlebell overhead and it suddenly stops.

02:33:07.000 You get all this loading of the connective tissues at the top.

02:33:12.000 It's like a dead stop, you know, the momentum.

02:33:15.000 And, you know, I mean, there's always people that can seem to waltz through life doing these type of lifts and so forth.

02:33:23.000 And skate through it.

02:33:23.000 Yeah, seem to skate through it.

02:33:24.000 But, man, there's thousands of people that suffer.

02:33:28.000 And I think all of the benefits of the snatch can be certainly had in the swing.

02:33:32.000 You don't need to traumatize your shoulders in order to get benefits from...

02:33:38.000 So the swing where it stays horizontal.

02:33:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:33:41.000 The momentum just dies out.

02:33:43.000 But that's enough.

02:33:44.000 It's all hip and butt and hamstrings and lower back, and you've generated the force.

02:33:48.000 So for me, I was really into the snatch thing for the longest time, but it was definitely traumatizing my shoulder.

02:33:55.000 What other exercise do you think maybe should be avoided?

02:33:58.000 Kettlebell exercise.

02:33:59.000 Well, I'm beginning to think that the windmill with really heavy weights should be avoided.

02:34:03.000 Really?

02:34:03.000 Yeah.

02:34:04.000 I mean, I'm not talking about just doing it with lighter weights, but some of these guys, they're into 40-kilogram kettlebells.

02:34:11.000 That's 90 pounds?

02:34:12.000 What is it, like 88 pounds, I think?

02:34:16.000 That's pretty heavy.

02:34:17.000 You don't need to subject your body.

02:34:20.000 If you think about it, it's like a rotation and a twist of the spine.

02:34:24.000 So you've got to be really careful when you're loading up these type of flexi-bendy postures like that.

02:34:30.000 A lot of the overhead squat stuff, I mean, just because you can do it doesn't mean you should.

02:34:37.000 Yeah, I was going to a guy who was saying for shoulder stability that it's a really great one because of the fact that it's got all this twist to it.

02:34:44.000 Well, I mean, the get-up is going to get all that.

02:34:47.000 Everything the windmill does, the get-up does even better.

02:34:49.000 Plus, you get the benefit of moving your body from the ground and standing up and back down and so forth.

02:34:54.000 The windmill has a weird sort of hamstring thing going on with it, though.

02:34:57.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

02:34:58.000 Because I get a lot of hamstring soreness when I do heavy windmills.

02:35:01.000 Well, yeah, you're lengthening the hamstrings out really good, so it's quite a severe stretch, like a form of loaded stretching or weighted stretching and so forth.

02:35:10.000 But, I mean, if you really wanted to get down to brass tacks, if you're pretty much just doing get-ups and swings, you pretty much have the perfect workout right there.

02:35:18.000 You don't need a whole lot else.

02:35:20.000 Just get up swings.

02:35:21.000 What about presses?

02:35:23.000 Well, presses are always a good thing.

02:35:24.000 But, I mean, you can do presses with anything, right?

02:35:26.000 You can do handstand push-ups.

02:35:27.000 You can do dumbbell, barbell.

02:35:29.000 But, yeah, kettlebell press is a fantastic exercise.

02:35:32.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:35:33.000 And I think the kettlebell double front squat It's a beautiful way to squat.

02:35:40.000 The double front squat?

02:35:42.000 Yeah, where you clean two kettlebells and you hold it in what's referred to as a rack position and do squats.

02:35:48.000 It's a really user-friendly way of doing it.

02:35:52.000 That's how I do all my squats that I do with weights.

02:35:55.000 I do them all that way.

02:35:57.000 I was using a squat rack, but I felt like it's harder to do it this way.

02:36:01.000 And I feel like I'm engaging my core more because I'm Keeping them in front of me.

02:36:05.000 Absolutely.

02:36:06.000 Your posture has to be correct to do it.

02:36:09.000 So I just went with all of them.

02:36:10.000 And I just do with 270s.

02:36:12.000 I just use 270s.

02:36:13.000 I mean, in my age now, I see no reason to load my spine up with my friend Mike Muller.

02:36:19.000 Yeah, he's a strong dude.

02:36:20.000 Oh my God, Mike is ridiculously strong.

02:36:22.000 And a vegan. 0.99

02:36:22.000 Yeah, ridiculous. 0.99

02:36:23.000 Anyone that thinks you can't be strong and be a vegan, just check out Mike. 0.95

02:36:27.000 Yeah, ridiculously strong and vegan for, I mean, he's, you know...

02:36:31.000 I mean, he's really dedicated to the whole lifestyle of being a vegan.

02:36:35.000 Yeah.

02:36:35.000 Very knowledgeable.

02:36:36.000 And not even annoying about it.

02:36:37.000 No, no, not at all.

02:36:38.000 No, he doesn't push his agenda whatsoever.

02:36:40.000 No, it's great.

02:36:41.000 If anything, people ask him, you know?

02:36:43.000 Yeah, well, your website, what do you have on there as far as, I know that you develop, you have like people that you train online, you develop programs for them.

02:36:52.000 I do.

02:36:53.000 How does that work and how can someone sign up for that?

02:36:55.000 Well, I call it my freedom business because I can do it pretty much anywhere in the world.

02:36:59.000 That's one reason why I'm able to keep up my nomadic existence because, you know, as long as I have Wi-Fi, I'm good to go.

02:37:06.000 You still have the 62-liter drum or whatever the hell it is?

02:37:09.000 The 65-liter bag.

02:37:10.000 65-liter bag.

02:37:11.000 Osprey bag, yeah.

02:37:13.000 My girlfriend's beating me now. 1.00

02:37:14.000 She just downsized to a 45-liter. 0.99

02:37:17.000 So, damn it. 0.99

02:37:18.000 Since when, you know, you have a woman traveling with less stuff than a guy. 1.00

02:37:22.000 That's ridiculous. 0.97

02:37:23.000 Yeah. 0.84

02:37:24.000 Of course, I have workout equipment in my bag, so.

02:37:26.000 Ah, well, there you go.

02:37:27.000 Abdominal wheel, rubber band, a suspension device.

02:37:30.000 You keep an ab wheel with you.

02:37:31.000 Out of all the things you can keep with you, an ab wheel is that important that you decide to keep that.

02:37:34.000 I like it.

02:37:35.000 I mean, it's so light.

02:37:36.000 And I use the Malta task with it. 0.90

02:37:40.000 The little bar that you use for it, I use it with my rubber band to do rubber band deadlifts and such.

02:37:46.000 Oh, I see.

02:37:47.000 Yeah, some cool stuff you can do with that little handle.

02:37:50.000 You showed me a bunch of stuff that you could do in hotel rooms.

02:37:53.000 Like you throw a towel over a door.

02:37:55.000 Oh, yeah.

02:37:56.000 You do chin-ups off the door.

02:37:58.000 All you really, truly need is just your body weight.

02:38:01.000 I just carry this stuff around because I can, but maybe I'll dump it and go even more minimalist like Teresa, you know?

02:38:07.000 So how do you, when you develop these programs for someone, say I'm Jamie over here who likes to exercise, if you wanted to build a program for someone, do you let them fill out a form?

02:38:20.000 How active are you?

02:38:21.000 How in shape are you?

02:38:22.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:23.000 I mean, first of all, I want to make sure that I can help the guy.

02:38:26.000 There's no sense of him wasting his time or money or me wasting my time with a guy that I can't help.

02:38:31.000 So he sends me a little bio.

02:38:33.000 What it is he's interested in.

02:38:35.000 It gives me a chance to see if the guy has realistic goals and ideas.

02:38:38.000 And if he's way out there, maybe he'd be better off going to somebody else.

02:38:44.000 I think?

02:39:04.000 And then I send a fitness assessment.

02:39:06.000 In the meantime, he takes three photos, non-posed, just like in a pair of shorts so I can look at his structure.

02:39:13.000 I particularly need to see the feet and the knees and see how the guy's standing, his posture, you know, back, front, side.

02:39:20.000 So I need to look at his spine, his shoulders, look at if there's any structural stuff going on.

02:39:25.000 And based on those photos, sometimes I'll have different fitness assessments because before I can take him where he thinks he wants to go, I've got to know where he's at.

02:39:34.000 Do you watch him do a video?

02:39:36.000 Sometimes.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, sometimes.

02:39:37.000 But for the most part, it's unnecessary.

02:39:40.000 Once he does this fitness assessment, I have a really good handle on where he's at.

02:39:44.000 And then I'll send him a program, and then he sends a training login anywhere between once a week.

02:39:50.000 Some people like to send something every day.

02:39:53.000 Interesting.

02:39:54.000 And they have recovery days, after recovery days, as well as their workouts.

02:39:59.000 A lot of the guys are participating in jiu-jitsu.

02:40:01.000 Some guys are participating in MMA. But a lot of the guys are just regular guys, businessmen, businesswomen, housewives.

02:40:10.000 They just want to be healthy.

02:40:11.000 How many clients do you have that you do this with?

02:40:13.000 Right now, I haven't counted, but it's close to 60. I know.

02:40:18.000 It's a lot of time on the iPad.

02:40:19.000 How do you keep up on that?

02:40:21.000 A lot of hours a day, man.

02:40:23.000 How many hours a day do you do that for?

02:40:25.000 That seems incredible.

02:40:25.000 I don't track it because it's different each day.

02:40:28.000 Some days it's like six, eight hours.

02:40:30.000 Other days it's like three or four.

02:40:32.000 It depends on how many logs that come in.

02:40:34.000 But I try to have a turnaround time of never more than 24 hours.

02:40:37.000 But it's all you.

02:40:38.000 It's just me.

02:40:39.000 So you don't ever go on vacation.

02:40:41.000 You don't say, hey, I'm taking a week off of life.

02:40:43.000 No.

02:40:44.000 Wow.

02:40:45.000 But I like it.

02:40:46.000 See, it's different.

02:40:47.000 Yeah, so your life is kind of a vacation anyway.

02:40:49.000 Because I'll be, like, I'm leaving from here to Icaria, Greece.

02:40:53.000 Whoa.

02:40:53.000 In the Aegean Sea, off the coast of Turkey.

02:40:56.000 Beautiful, pristine, little, quiet island that a lot of people never heard of.

02:41:01.000 And it's named after the mythological figure Icarus that flew too close to the sun with his wings and plunged into the ocean.

02:41:09.000 Yeah, wings melted or something?

02:41:11.000 Wings melted.

02:41:12.000 Well, this island, I'm going to be there for three weeks doing like a lifestyle training camp.

02:41:19.000 And the Wi-Fi is a little sketchy, but I'll be okay.

02:41:23.000 So I'll be doing my iPad while looking out at the beautiful blue of GNC or, you know...

02:41:29.000 I was in a high-rise in Sydney looking out over the harbor.

02:41:32.000 So it's pretty easy to do your work when you pick really nice places like that.

02:41:37.000 And plus I love doing it, so it's not like a chore or anything.

02:41:42.000 I really enjoy communicating with these people.

02:41:46.000 You almost become friends.

02:41:49.000 Sometimes I'll meet them at seminars, which is always really cool to actually meet the person.

02:41:54.000 But you really develop a closeness and a camaraderie through the That's interesting.

02:42:00.000 When you go to a place where they speak a different language, do you have a translator?

02:42:04.000 I just got back from Russia not too long ago.

02:42:09.000 I was in Novosibirsk.

02:42:11.000 That's the very heart of Russia. 0.93

02:42:13.000 Remember that guy Alexander Karelin?

02:42:16.000 Yes.

02:42:17.000 He...

02:42:18.000 That's where he's from. 1.00

02:42:19.000 What a scary fuck that guy was. 1.00

02:42:20.000 Yeah, bring that guy up. 1.00

02:42:21.000 Alexandre Corrala, man.

02:42:22.000 There's some amazing photos of him.

02:42:24.000 The most crazy, scariest...

02:42:25.000 People would turn themselves over and pin themselves so not to be thrown with his patented gut wrench throw.

02:42:31.000 Yeah, they would be belly down and he would get his hands underneath him and take a 250 pound man and throw him like a pillow. 0.93

02:42:37.000 And toss him like he was like nothing.

02:42:39.000 And smash them under the ground.

02:42:41.000 So there in Novosibirsk, the Russian experiment... 0.69

02:42:47.000 No one spoke any English whatsoever.

02:42:49.000 So I have a universal translator on my iPad and iPhone that I can write a question out and then show it in Russian and then hit a button and change the keyboard to Russian.

02:43:03.000 And then they can type back and be in English.

02:43:05.000 So you can communicate with this modern technology.

02:43:08.000 That's crazy though, but what if you want to get something to eat or you want to get a room in a hotel or something like that?

02:43:15.000 Well, usually hotel personnel, someone there speaks English.

02:43:20.000 That's one of the nice things about being a U.S. citizen.

02:43:22.000 I mean, there's a lot of things I don't like about this country, but it's still a superpower, and it's still the country, so to speak.

02:43:31.000 So most people speak English in these hotels, because tourism is a real big thing for a lot of these places.

02:43:38.000 That's so fascinating that you do that.

02:43:40.000 You go from one place to another like that with no stops.

02:43:43.000 Pretty much none.

02:43:44.000 Because you're living out of this 65 liter bag.

02:43:47.000 Everything I know.

02:43:48.000 You don't really have a place where you're like, well, we're done work.

02:43:51.000 We're going to just hang out at home for a few days.

02:43:54.000 No, there is no home.

02:43:56.000 Everywhere I'm at is home.

02:43:57.000 Do you foresee that for the rest of your life?

02:43:59.000 I mean, you're 62 now, is that what you are?

02:44:01.000 I'm 61. 61?

02:44:02.000 I'm sorry to give you an extra year there.

02:44:05.000 61 and a half, like a kid?

02:44:07.000 Yeah, like a kid.

02:44:08.000 Do you foresee living the rest of your life like that?

02:44:12.000 Yeah.

02:44:13.000 I mean, I enjoy it that much.

02:44:14.000 It's really nice not to be tied down.

02:44:16.000 Once you get that roaming spirit, I can't even imagine just settling down.

02:44:22.000 But what about your body?

02:44:24.000 I mean, you're essentially teaching people health and physical fitness.

02:44:29.000 How long do you think you'll be able to do that for?

02:44:31.000 At 61 years old, that's a...

02:44:34.000 Very unusual for someone to be teaching people how to lift weights and exercise. 0.99

02:44:39.000 I mean, I've seen some of the shit that you've done. 0.98

02:44:41.000 Somebody posted a video of you working out with those guys that do the playground workouts, which is incredible. 0.99

02:44:46.000 That was just like a year ago, man.

02:44:48.000 That was...

02:44:48.000 The guys are so fit.

02:44:50.000 I mean, it's amazing watching some of those playground workouts that those guys do.

02:44:54.000 The urban gymnastics, yeah.

02:44:55.000 They have no legs, though.

02:44:56.000 You ever notice that? 1.00

02:44:57.000 Little skinny-ass fucking toothpick legs? 1.00

02:44:59.000 Well, the other thing, too, a lot of those guys are hurt a lot. 1.00

02:45:03.000 Oh, are they really?

02:45:03.000 A lot of the stunts.

02:45:04.000 It puts a lot of stress in your body.

02:45:06.000 It's not necessarily the...

02:45:08.000 That's the kind of thing that you'd want to do.

02:45:10.000 But, I mean, it's amazing how these guys, I mean, essentially, they're just doing this for their own fun, right?

02:45:17.000 Oh, yeah, they love it.

02:45:18.000 Absolutely love it.

02:45:19.000 Look at that.

02:45:19.000 That is incredible.

02:45:21.000 That's a strong dude, huh?

02:45:22.000 That guy can put his legs up there in the air.

02:45:24.000 What do they do for their lower body, though?

02:45:26.000 There's so much upper body stuff in all these exercises.

02:45:29.000 You very rarely see them doing lower body stuff.

02:45:32.000 I didn't get a chance to actually see it, you know, what they did for the lower body.

02:45:38.000 For sure what they do is pretty amazing, but it might not be the best way to go for especially people over 40 because of the joint trauma.

02:45:46.000 Because remember, there's a difference between working for strength and demonstrating strength and doing feats and stunts versus just regular exercise.

02:45:55.000 Right.

02:45:56.000 And stunts and feats take its toll over time.

02:45:59.000 You know, like Olympic lifting, powerlifting, those guys are pretty bunged up by the time they get to their 40s or 50s.

02:46:04.000 So you consider what those guys are doing with this playground workout?

02:46:07.000 Oh, it's a stunt.

02:46:08.000 Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is built towards developing these tricks.

02:46:11.000 Right, to show that, like, that's incredible.

02:46:13.000 Yeah.

02:46:14.000 The ability to hold your legs up like that.

02:46:17.000 Folks don't know what kind of core strength that requires.

02:46:19.000 That requires an incredible amount of core strength.

02:46:22.000 Like doing that stripper thing where you're on the pole. 1.00

02:46:24.000 Yeah.

02:46:24.000 I mean, it's no joke.

02:46:26.000 These guys are incredibly fit for that.

02:46:29.000 They truly are.

02:46:30.000 That's amazing.

02:46:31.000 These flags are just like, wow.

02:46:33.000 It's so hard to do.

02:46:34.000 It's really hard to do.

02:46:36.000 But the torque and the pressure on your shoulders.

02:46:39.000 Yeah.

02:46:40.000 Incredible.

02:46:41.000 Look at you.

02:46:42.000 Eh, not bad for an old guy.

02:46:44.000 Not bad at all.

02:46:45.000 Not quite as high as that guy was.

02:46:46.000 But amazing that you never did this before, and I hear you're doing that.

02:46:49.000 Nah, I've never done any of this stuff.

02:46:51.000 You know, most of my training was all geared towards trying to make myself a better wrestler or a better jiu-jitsu fighter.

02:46:59.000 So it's a slightly different energy system and a whole different emphasis with the workout, so...

02:47:05.000 That's incredible that these guys have developed a sort of way to work out on these playground workouts that has gone worldwide.

02:47:13.000 I mean, there's so many of these people.

02:47:15.000 Oh, yeah, there's the Bar Stars, and then there's, when I was in Australia, there was the, what was it, the Bar's Beasts.

02:47:22.000 Down in Bondi Beach, these Australian guys that, you know, so in every country, especially the poorer countries, you know, most of these outdoor playgrounds and gyms are pretty available to a lot of these guys, whereas they couldn't even afford a regular commercial gym.

02:47:37.000 Right.

02:47:37.000 When I was in Russia, I was really pleasantly surprised.

02:47:41.000 You could find a pull-up bar and dip bar everywhere, not for kids, for adults.

02:47:47.000 And you'd see people using them.

02:47:49.000 I mean, just all over the place.

02:47:51.000 Look at this guy.

02:47:52.000 Jesus Christ.

02:47:52.000 Doing dip bars and pull-up bars and all that kind of stuff.

02:47:55.000 That's incredible.

02:47:56.000 That's pretty incredible stuff, isn't it?

02:47:58.000 Yeah, this is amazing.

02:47:59.000 Look at this guy's hanging on this other guy.

02:48:01.000 Yeah.

02:48:02.000 Some of these guys are crazy strong.

02:48:04.000 Yeah.

02:48:04.000 Amazing.

02:48:05.000 But in a lot of these Eastern Bloc countries, they don't have a lot to do, you know?

02:48:09.000 And they're not big guys.

02:48:10.000 No, they're not thin, wiry, lean.

02:48:13.000 But, you know, bodyweight training has a way of kind of...

02:48:16.000 I mean, obviously, different physique types are going to be attracted to different activities. 1.00

02:48:20.000 A lot of times, people have this mistaken notion that if I do this, I'm going to look like this.

02:48:26.000 In reality, the physique type has success at a particular activity and then stays with it.

02:48:32.000 For example, women often want to do dance because they want to look like a dancer. 1.00

02:48:38.000 But if you don't have that proportionate dancer's type body to begin with, you'll never be successful at dance.

02:48:46.000 Right, like if you're short and squat and you have big thick legs.

02:48:49.000 Exactly.

02:48:50.000 I don't care how much dance you do, you're never going to develop the long lean lines of a dancer.

02:48:56.000 And the same thing with the urban gymnastics.

02:48:58.000 You know, really big boned guys with big heavy legs, they're never going to be successful in that type of activity no matter what they do.

02:49:06.000 Just as they wouldn't be able to do what the football player does.

02:49:10.000 Isn't that also a case for guys that want to compete in MMA? Like those big bulky football player type dudes, they're never going to be able to have good endurance.

02:49:18.000 It's going to be really hard for those guys, you know, because they're kind of like just naturally fast-twitched guys with low anaerobic endurance levels.

02:49:26.000 And no matter how much they train for endurance, they're always going to be lacking in that particular department.

02:49:32.000 You know, the cool thing about combat martial arts though, And combat sport, there's a whole array of physique types that seem to do pretty well.

02:49:43.000 You have like little fireplug guys that do pretty good.

02:49:46.000 Husamar Pajarez.

02:49:48.000 And then tall, thin, wiry kind of guys.

02:49:50.000 Roger Gracie.

02:49:51.000 Yeah, exactly, that do well.

02:49:53.000 You find like what's good for your body style.

02:49:55.000 You start to develop a style for your particular physique type and all that, which makes combat martial arts different than any other sport on the planet.

02:50:03.000 Because you won't find a big rare physique playing NBA basketball, for example.

02:50:08.000 They're all tall guys.

02:50:09.000 Occasionally you'll see a little guy, but rare.

02:50:11.000 You only see huge behemoths playing NFL football.

02:50:14.000 Once in a while you might have some little guy, but he's like one in millions, you know what I mean?

02:50:20.000 They can make it.

02:50:21.000 So the sport attracts the physique type.

02:50:24.000 These people are...

02:50:26.000 Good at it because they have the body that does well with that particular activity.

02:50:31.000 It's interesting when you see a guy who was an elite football player or something like that get into MMA, their bodies change.

02:50:38.000 They slim down, they become a little, they're still big and bulky, they become a little bit smaller.

02:50:43.000 The guy who's freaked me out the most is Herschel Walker.

02:50:46.000 That was pretty amazing, wasn't it?

02:50:47.000 Because he was like 47 or something when he started fighting in MMA. Not again at all, man.

02:50:51.000 Yeah.

02:50:52.000 And just yoked huge at 47, shredded six-pack, and just throwing guys around, and training at AKA. I mean, look at that.

02:51:03.000 That's him at like 48 years old fighting in Strikeforce.

02:51:06.000 That's pretty remarkable, isn't it?

02:51:07.000 What a super athlete that guy was.

02:51:10.000 Wouldn't it have been incredible to see him as a 20-something year old competing in the UFC? For sure.

02:51:16.000 Boy, he was something special.

02:51:18.000 Guys with his genetic propensity for size and strength and endurance and explosivity...

02:51:24.000 They probably wouldn't be drawn to mixed martial arts because of the money factor.

02:51:28.000 I don't know.

02:51:29.000 He's going to make like 10 times the money playing NFL football.

02:51:32.000 Probably, but he probably could have made that kind of money. 0.99

02:51:36.000 Look at the fucking size of that guy, 48 years old. 0.99

02:51:39.000 He could have probably made that kind of money doing anything. 1.00

02:51:41.000 He would have been so dominant.

02:51:43.000 He would have been successful in almost any sport.

02:51:46.000 You do have a point there.

02:51:48.000 How does a guy stay that big?

02:51:51.000 Look at the size of him at 48 years of age without lifting weights.

02:51:55.000 Because that's what he always claimed.

02:51:57.000 He always claimed that everything he did was body weight. 1.00

02:52:00.000 Do you think that's bullshit? 0.99

02:52:01.000 You know, I just don't know. 1.00

02:52:03.000 I really couldn't contest that one way or another. 0.99

02:52:08.000 There's a lot of people who have called bullshit on him.

02:52:10.000 There's no doubt that bodyweight training can make you pretty muscular. 0.95

02:52:15.000 Oh yeah, well those Bar Stars guys.

02:52:17.000 Yeah, they were pretty yoked up, man.

02:52:18.000 Look at that.

02:52:19.000 That's him when he was younger.

02:52:20.000 That's a good picture.

02:52:21.000 Thank you, Jamie.

02:52:22.000 Perfect picture. 0.98

02:52:23.000 How the fuck does that guy become that other guy? 0.99

02:52:26.000 Show that other picture again. 1.00

02:52:27.000 How the fuck are those two? 0.99

02:52:30.000 One is the young guy and one's the old guy. 1.00

02:52:33.000 Well, you'd almost have to start suspecting some type of enhancement therapy.

02:52:36.000 Mm-hmm.

02:52:36.000 Would you not?

02:52:37.000 Mm-hmm.

02:52:39.000 Just go back to that other picture, Jamie.

02:52:40.000 The picture of him swole up and, come on, son.

02:52:44.000 One is when he's young and one is when he's 48. Open a new tab and go back and forth between the two photos.

02:52:51.000 MMA does not build that type of physique.

02:52:54.000 I'm sorry.

02:52:55.000 Well, he's doing, obviously, he's doing some sort of body weight conditioning, strength conditioning.

02:52:59.000 Well, I mean, there's no doubt he works really hard.

02:53:02.000 Yeah, but the other thing about Hershel Walker that's really crazy is he said he eats like a bowl of soup and a salad every day and that's it.

02:53:09.000 It's hard to understand.

02:53:12.000 It's a double hard to believe.

02:53:14.000 But maybe. 0.98

02:53:15.000 We'll fucking know. 0.96

02:53:16.000 I knew a guy that only slept three hours a night. 0.99

02:53:19.000 Who?

02:53:20.000 Dr. Ken Leisner.

02:53:21.000 Look at these two pictures.

02:53:23.000 Look at that one, and then look at the other one. 1.00

02:53:26.000 Jamie, do you know how to do tabs, you motherfucker? 1.00

02:53:28.000 Too big? 1.00

02:53:30.000 Can't you just go back and forth?

02:53:32.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:53:33.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:53:35.000 Jesus! 1.00

02:53:36.000 That's when he's young, and here's when he's older.

02:53:41.000 I'm confused.

02:53:42.000 I get super confused.

02:53:44.000 I mean, that looks like a guy who probably doesn't actually...

02:53:46.000 Wait, how old is he in that picture right there?

02:53:48.000 Young.

02:53:49.000 1982. That's crazy.

02:53:52.000 So he's 50-something now.

02:53:54.000 Well, he might not have been to his true man strength and so forth at that age, too. 0.99

02:53:58.000 Well, he's got some fucking man strength going on right there. 0.99

02:54:01.000 Yeah, don't he, though? 1.00

02:54:01.000 Jeez. 1.00

02:54:03.000 And they say, you know, he would go to AKA, he works out with the team, works out with everybody.

02:54:09.000 Amazing.

02:54:09.000 I don't know why he's not doing it anymore.

02:54:11.000 Well, maybe he started having some joint problems and, you know, there is a reason why there's a due date in cottage cheese, you know?

02:54:19.000 I found that out a few times, you know?

02:54:21.000 That's a good way of putting it.

02:54:22.000 You can't outrun Father Tom.

02:54:25.000 He's so big at 48 with no body weight or no weightlifting.

02:54:29.000 It seems like to be that big, you'd have to throw some weights around.

02:54:32.000 You would think.

02:54:33.000 Yeah.

02:54:33.000 I mean, I've never seen anyone with that type of musculature that just did it on bodyweight training, but that's not to say that maybe he's an exception to the rule.

02:54:41.000 He just might be that type of, you know, have that type of genetics, you know?

02:54:45.000 Yeah, that is the other thing, too.

02:54:47.000 It's just some folk.

02:54:47.000 There he is.

02:54:48.000 Doing some bodyweight exercises.

02:54:51.000 Looks damn good even there.

02:54:52.000 He's not quite as ripped as he was back in the day, but he looks freaking phenomenal.

02:54:57.000 Dude was a super athlete.

02:54:58.000 I mean, that's the thing about football, is that they get the big super athletes.

02:55:03.000 The really big, strong guys.

02:55:06.000 The biggest, strongest, fastest athletes pretty much go NFL in this country.

02:55:11.000 I think it makes so much money.

02:55:12.000 Well, I mean, yeah, that's where the money is.

02:55:15.000 I mean, NBA guys are pretty big, too, but they're taller and more rangy, you know?

02:55:18.000 But the real power guys are just...

02:55:21.000 Look at him running sprints.

02:55:22.000 Jesus Christ.

02:55:23.000 That's not a sprinter. 0.73

02:55:24.000 What size of him? 1.00

02:55:25.000 That's a goddamn water buffalo. 1.00

02:55:26.000 But for sure, you know, I've seen guys build tremendous physiques just with body weight training. 0.99

02:55:32.000 Yeah.

02:55:33.000 One of my all-time favorites was this guy, Woody Strode.

02:55:35.000 He was the black gladiator in the original Spartacus opposite Kirk Douglas.

02:55:39.000 Oh, wow.

02:55:40.000 Old school.

02:55:40.000 Yeah, bring up Woody Strode.

02:55:42.000 How did he spell his last name?

02:55:43.000 S-T-R-O-D-E. Strode.

02:55:46.000 He was one of the original bodyweight trainers.

02:55:48.000 And a lot of people don't realize, but that fight scene in the original Spartacus was one of the most dangerous fight scenes ever filmed.

02:55:57.000 They actually fought with real weapons.

02:56:00.000 What?

02:56:00.000 And they had trained for three months, according to Kirk Douglas' biography, they had trained for three months with those weapons in order to put on that fight scene.

02:56:09.000 And Stroud just had a magnificent physique, man.

02:56:12.000 That's terrifying.

02:56:13.000 They used real weapons to film a movie scene?

02:56:15.000 Yeah.

02:56:16.000 And they did the fight.

02:56:17.000 And they had rehearsed that.

02:56:19.000 Imagine, three months now of rehearsing.

02:56:22.000 And Stroud was also a stuntman.

02:56:27.000 Wow.

02:56:28.000 And that scene where he jumps up to...

02:56:30.000 Remember, he defies the Roman patrician.

02:56:34.000 I don't remember.

02:56:35.000 Who orders Sparty because of his death.

02:56:37.000 And Strode runs up and grabs the wall and pulls himself up.

02:56:40.000 He says he's probably the only stunt guy in Hollywood that could have pulled that off at that time.

02:56:43.000 It's like a 10-foot wall.

02:56:44.000 He jumps up there and grabs it with his fingers and does this...

02:56:47.000 Almost like a muscle-up, like he's trying to get this guy.

02:56:50.000 Wow.

02:56:50.000 Because he's defying Rome.

02:56:52.000 He refuses to kill...

02:56:54.000 The character of Spartacus.

02:56:55.000 Cool movie, man.

02:56:56.000 Kirk Douglas was in pretty good shape back then, too.

02:56:58.000 Yeah, Kirk, he did his training.

02:57:01.000 He was training with Woody at the time, doing the bodyweight training.

02:57:03.000 Do you work out with any other athletes at any other sports besides MMA guys?

02:57:08.000 I know you've trained quite a few MMA guys.

02:57:11.000 Diego Sanchez, you trained him infinitely for his BJ Penn fight.

02:57:15.000 But what about other athletes in other sports?

02:57:16.000 I've trained a couple NFL guys.

02:57:19.000 David Akers, that used to be the famous field goal kicker.

02:57:23.000 He used to come and do jujitsu with us as well as do some conditioning work.

02:57:27.000 Didn't you have an issue with him where he was kicking with one leg all the time, so he was developing problems?

02:57:33.000 He had a chronic hamstring pulse on his non-kicking leg, which was his right leg was his non-kicking leg.

02:57:39.000 He was a left foot kicker.

02:57:41.000 And so at my suggestion, I said, hey, why not balance yourself out?

02:57:46.000 You're kicking like 50 kicks a day, which is a lot of kicks.

02:57:51.000 But you're not doing anything for the other side. 0.99

02:57:53.000 Yeah.

02:57:53.000 So start kicking with the other side.

02:57:55.000 And lo and behold, hamstring problems disappeared.

02:57:58.000 Well, I wanted to ask you about that because I'm getting into archery.

02:58:01.000 And I've got this bow.

02:58:03.000 It's 90 pounds.

02:58:04.000 That's a pretty hefty bow.

02:58:05.000 I'm pulling 90 pounds all the time with my right arm.

02:58:08.000 Is this a compound bow?

02:58:09.000 Yeah.

02:58:09.000 With a pulley system?

02:58:10.000 Yeah.

02:58:10.000 Wow.

02:58:10.000 I should probably get a 90-pound bow for my left arm, too.

02:58:12.000 Well, what I would do is just hold the bow and just do some rows with it.

02:58:16.000 Can't.

02:58:17.000 You can't grab it with your other hand.

02:58:20.000 I'll show you afterwards.

02:58:21.000 Well, then get yourself a chest expander.

02:58:24.000 Is that good enough?

02:58:25.000 Yeah.

02:58:26.000 What about rows?

02:58:26.000 I've been doing rows.

02:58:27.000 Yeah, you can do rows.

02:58:28.000 I do 10 or 15 rows every day.

02:58:30.000 But you would want a similar movement pattern, right?

02:58:32.000 Well, I do it like that.

02:58:33.000 I do it like this.

02:58:34.000 So are you holding it with your right hand or your left hand?

02:58:36.000 I hold the bow with my left.

02:58:37.000 Left and pull it back with my right. 0.96

02:58:38.000 Okay, so take a chest expander, like the old school rubber chest expanders, and just start pulling just to balance yourself up.

02:58:47.000 You know, I worked a fairly well-known baseball player by the name of David Bell.

02:58:52.000 I'd been working his wife out for a couple years. 1.00

02:58:54.000 I didn't even realize that she was married to a Philadelphia Philly.

02:58:57.000 And then one day she says, hey man, my husband's having some serious problems.

02:59:00.000 He's in pain a lot.

02:59:01.000 And I'd like you to take a look at him.

02:59:03.000 So David comes up and I ask him, hey, how many times a week do you throw a baseball with your right hand?

02:59:10.000 And he looked at me like, thousands of reps.

02:59:14.000 And I just simply said, what are you doing for your opposite side?

02:59:18.000 And he looked at me like, wow, I never thought about that.

02:59:22.000 And I'm thinking, well, for sure, baseball got to have some top trainers, right?

02:59:26.000 Wouldn't you think that one of those guys would have figured that out?

02:59:29.000 Yeah.

02:59:29.000 That if you have a guy throwing thousands and thousands of balls with your one side, wouldn't it make sense to do something with your left?

02:59:36.000 They don't want to look like a girl. 1.00

02:59:37.000 So...

02:59:37.000 When you throw with your left, you look like...

02:59:38.000 Well, I gave them one of those little clubs, you know, a little Indian club.

02:59:41.000 What's that?

02:59:41.000 Oh, we're running out of time.

02:59:43.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:59:44.000 Shit, we did three hours. 1.00

02:59:45.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:59:46.000 I got you. 1.00

02:59:47.000 Look, go to maxwellsc.com.

02:59:49.000 How much time we got left?

02:59:50.000 Ten seconds.

02:59:51.000 Ten seconds.

02:59:51.000 It's over.

02:59:52.000 Thanks to our sponsor. 0.99

02:59:54.000 This fucking thing is over. 0.99

02:59:55.000 Steve Maxwell, you're awesome. 1.00

02:59:57.000 Fantastic podcast.

02:59:58.000 Thank you, man.

02:59:58.000 So much fun.

02:59:58.000 We ran out of time.

03:00:00.000 See you guys later.

03:00:01.000 Bye, everybody.

03:00:02.000 For folks still listening, the audio, thanks to Ting.

03:00:05.000 Go to rogan.ting.com and save yourself some money.

03:00:09.000 And also for Steve, all of June, he's going to be in Germany, Frankfurt, Cologne, Munich, all of July in the UK. Edinburgh, London, Stockport, Lancaster Shire, Lancashire?

03:00:23.000 How do you spell that?

03:00:24.000 Lancashire.

03:00:25.000 August 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, Revgear University, RevgearUniversity.com, presenting kettlebell and medicine ball courses, and thanks to Black Belt Soap.

03:00:38.000 That's your buddy's company, right?

03:00:40.000 Yeah, in Maui.

03:00:42.000 In Maui.

03:00:42.000 Black belt soap.

03:00:43.000 Okay.

03:00:44.000 And maxwellsc.com is the website that I've been looking to the whole time that we've been talking to you.

03:00:48.000 Fantastic website.

03:00:49.000 A lot of interesting stuff there.

03:00:50.000 And people can sign up there and go and get your online course and become one of the 60 people that you have to handle every day. 0.97

03:00:57.000 God damn, that's a lot of people to deal with. 0.97

03:00:58.000 That's awesome, though. 0.99

03:01:00.000 Thanks again, man.

03:01:00.000 Time flew by.

03:01:01.000 Let's do it again.

03:01:02.000 Do it again.

03:01:03.000 Next time you're back in town.

03:01:04.000 Thanks, Mel.

03:01:05.000 Alright, thanks everybody.

03:01:06.000 We'll see you soon. 0.98

03:01:08.000 This fucking podcast is over. 0.99

03:01:09.000 Good night. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - May 21, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #504 - Steve Maxwell

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