The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #522 - CJ Werleman

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00:08:42.000 My guest today, C.J. Werleman, will definitely ruffle some feathers, ladies and gentlemen.

00:08:47.000 If you are of the religious inclination, if you are ultra-sensitive, if you have a problem with seeing Uncle Sam crucified on the cover of a book, it says Crucifying America. 1.00

00:09:00.000 And on top of it, he's not even a fucking American. 0.98

00:09:02.000 When you hear him talk, you're going to go, Hey, pal, you're not even from here. 0.99

00:09:05.000 What's going on? 0.99

00:09:06.000 Why are you shitting on us? 1.00

00:09:07.000 What about your country, man? 1.00

00:09:10.000 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:09:11.000 I appreciate it.

00:09:12.000 Thanks, Joe.

00:09:12.000 Thanks for having me on, mate.

00:09:13.000 Please.

00:09:14.000 I appreciate it.

00:09:15.000 I watched a very fascinating interview today or conversation that you had today about the religious right.

00:09:21.000 How much hate do you get on a daily basis?

00:09:24.000 Because you're going hard here, man.

00:09:26.000 You got Uncle Sam crucified on your book.

00:09:31.000 I always tell people when they ask me where do you live, I always say Southern California and I never give the exact address because there is a fatwa put out on me.

00:09:40.000 And no joke, the Westboro Baptist Church, which we all know very well, when my first book was released in 2009, the title is God Hates You, Hate Him Back.

00:09:49.000 They saw the title without understanding what the content of the book was and thought that I must have been on their side.

00:09:54.000 And they thought, hey, we've got somebody who's written a book in pro of our mission.

00:09:59.000 Once they took a look at my book, they realized how off base that was and I was attacking them for some of their beliefs.

00:10:05.000 Fred Phelps actually issued a public fatwa to have me killed.

00:10:09.000 So I want to leave my address to Southern California because I do have kids.

00:10:12.000 But he's dead, right?

00:10:14.000 Does that fatwa have any teeth? 0.99

00:10:16.000 I don't know.

00:10:17.000 Do you inherit a fatwa? 0.75

00:10:18.000 That's a good question.

00:10:19.000 Does it get passed down?

00:10:21.000 I'm not sure.

00:10:22.000 Well, whatever happened to Salman Rushdie?

00:10:24.000 He's around now.

00:10:25.000 Yeah, he's now out in the open.

00:10:27.000 I think that maybe people who want other people dead, particularly literal people, they have short memories.

00:10:36.000 Well, that was a weird one, man.

00:10:39.000 He wrote a book that people had interpreted as being about the Prophet Muhammad.

00:10:45.000 But it wasn't necessarily, right?

00:10:48.000 No, it's more about the poetry, which was written, you know, on a segment of Islam, and it wasn't actually taking scripture from the Koran itself.

00:10:56.000 So, I mean, what he wrote would be very mild in, say, comparison to a South Park episode where the Prophet Muhammad is dressed up like a bear.

00:11:05.000 Islam is a very fascinating religion to me in so many different ways, but it's also fascinating in that liberals have, for whatever reason, chosen that as being the one to defend in some weird sort of a way.

00:11:17.000 Like, anytime someone criticizes Islam, they become Islamophobic. 0.91

00:11:22.000 But you will never hear, like, certain segments of the progressive population shit on someone who is criticizing Christianity. 0.99

00:11:29.000 You don't become a Christianophobe. 0.91

00:11:31.000 Mate, I mean, you've hit on a very important point here.

00:11:35.000 The problem, I mean, Chris Hedges wrote a great book called The Death of Liberalism in America.

00:11:40.000 The liberal class no longer exists in America.

00:11:43.000 It has no voice.

00:11:44.000 And to underscore that point, Hillary Clinton's popularity. 0.99

00:11:47.000 Hillary Clinton doesn't stand for populist economics or she doesn't stand for progressive clauses.

00:11:53.000 She's a brand and a brand only.

00:11:55.000 So the liberal class has been left to be the political police force for PC correctness and that's it.

00:12:02.000 So whilst you have Democrats in office who are attacking liberalism, things like the welfare state, Free trade and so forth.

00:12:11.000 You had President Clinton who gutted the unions, destroyed welfare and implemented NAFTA which outsourced 800,000 jobs abroad.

00:12:21.000 You're left with a liberal class that all they do is eat wines and cheeses and pick up people who are saying the wrong things politically.

00:12:28.000 So yeah, I have a problem with political correctness.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, pick on people who are saying the wrong things.

00:12:34.000 That's the big one.

00:12:35.000 Saying the wrong things, not actions, not picking on people.

00:12:39.000 And the Islamophobic one, that to me is a weird one, man.

00:12:44.000 Like, if you're going to be scared of any religion, in my opinion, it's a good one to pick. 0.77

00:12:50.000 Islam's a good one. 1.00

00:12:52.000 The number one suicide bombers, the number one people, the things that they're doing to women in Islamic countries, the things that you're seeing in the news on a daily basis that are from predominantly Islamic countries, if you're going to be scared of a religion, that seems to be a good one. 1.00

00:13:08.000 Yeah, but my point is that that's happening over there. 0.69

00:13:11.000 If we're going to worry about what's happening here, you're far more likely to be called by a right-wing terrorist than you are by an Islamist terrorist. 0.56

00:13:17.000 Since 1990, there's been 345 Americans killed by American Muslims, whereas there's only been 20 Americans killed by Muslim Americans. 0.57

00:13:28.000 You can't count the 9-11 attackers as Muslim Americans because they're external. 1.00

00:13:32.000 They were foreign fighters fighting for a foreign cause.

00:13:34.000 So that's why I think the most dangerous threat to American democracy and our secular values is not Islamicism. 1.00

00:13:41.000 It really is, you know, these Christian... 1.00

00:13:43.000 Theological whack jobs that represent what is the Tea Party, which is really a proto-fascist movement.

00:13:48.000 In this country.

00:13:50.000 In this country.

00:13:51.000 In this country, yes, you're definitely less likely to be attacked by an Islamic terrorist.

00:13:56.000 And that's because America's doing its job and keeping us safe over here.

00:14:01.000 We fight over there so we can keep you safe over here.

00:14:03.000 I mean, I'm not exactly sure if that is a zero-sum game.

00:14:08.000 I'm not sure how that is working, or if it's working, or if it's just some massive debt that we're going to have to come back and pay, sort of like the housing crisis.

00:14:16.000 You know?

00:14:17.000 I mean, it kind of seems like it, doesn't it?

00:14:19.000 Well, it's blowback. 0.99

00:14:20.000 I mean, we've meddled in the Middle Eastern affairs for so long and we wonder why shit happens. 0.97

00:14:26.000 I mean, you know, if you listen to the conservatives, they'll say that, you know, they want to attack us for our freedoms. 0.98

00:14:31.000 They want to attack us because we like drinking beer or watching porn on the internet.

00:14:35.000 You know, they have a very, very specific agenda. 0.99

00:14:37.000 They hate the fact that we have our fucking military bases in the middle of the Holy Land. 0.96

00:14:41.000 They hate the fact that we're not willing to operate in a bipartisan manner to solve the Israeli-Palestinian situation. 0.98

00:14:48.000 And so that's why they're angry.

00:14:50.000 You know, it's got nothing to do really with religion.

00:14:53.000 And if you actually look at all terrorist attacks over the world, 95% of all suicide bombing attacks have been committed against occupying forces rather than being a religiously motivated event.

00:15:05.000 So religiously motivated in that they have inspired these people to attack and blow themselves up with religion?

00:15:14.000 Good point.

00:15:15.000 What it is, you've got the power structure, whether that's, you know, if you go all the way back to Osama bin Laden, say he's at the top of Al-Qaeda, they have very, very specific political objectives.

00:15:25.000 Obviously, the fundamentalist Islamic lowest common denominator in society who's starving and doesn't have a job, has no future, they're the ones they recruit to carry out their deeds. 1.00

00:15:37.000 But they're certainly rather politically motivated rather than religiously motivated.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, I would assume that if you're living in a country and you have a giant, huge empire that has invaded not just your country, but a hundred different countries.

00:15:54.000 We have military bases in more than a hundred different countries all over the world.

00:15:58.000 I would feel like you would want to resist that.

00:16:00.000 That would naturally be something that people would be resisting.

00:16:06.000 Imagine if JFK Airport was a Saudi national airport and they're flying their fighter jets in and out there and doing loops of New York City all day long. 0.92

00:16:14.000 You've got guys in the South in the Confederate States who'd love to blow up the Capitol because there's a black man in the White House. 0.96

00:16:20.000 Imagine if there was an airport. 0.96

00:16:21.000 Well, I'll tell you what, CJ, with your fancy accent, you tell me how else we're going to keep America safe.

00:16:28.000 At this point, how can you?

00:16:32.000 I mean, that is the big question.

00:16:33.000 I don't know what the real number is, but it's more than 100. More than 100 military bases in more than 100 different countries all over the world.

00:16:43.000 People talk about the Roman Empire. 0.99

00:16:44.000 Rome doesn't have shit on America. 1.00

00:16:46.000 It's a joke. 1.00

00:16:47.000 It's not even close. 0.91

00:16:48.000 This is the craziest empire. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Fuck Genghis Khan. 1.00

00:16:51.000 Fuck all those other people, those amateurs that came before us. 1.00

00:16:54.000 This is the nuttiest empire that's ever existed. 1.00

00:16:58.000 How could you ever...

00:16:59.000 How do you pull that back?

00:17:01.000 Look what's going on in Iraq right now.

00:17:03.000 This void that is being filled now by these...

00:17:08.000 These jihadists, once we're pulling out the American troops and the Iraqis are being inundated with these various terrorist groups, this ISIS organization.

00:17:19.000 It's scary stuff when you see what happens when the predominant power, military power in the area pulls out and then it's left this vacuum and this power struggle.

00:17:29.000 What is the solution?

00:17:31.000 Well, I mean, you first have to look back at the root cause of it all, and the root cause was we drew up fictitious we, the West, not just the US, but we, the West.

00:17:40.000 It's not me, buddy.

00:17:40.000 I wasn't involved.

00:17:42.000 So we drew up fictitious borders, and we said here, basically said the three different people, you know, the Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shias, here's a country, we're going to draw the borders now, coexist and get along in Kumbaya. 0.64

00:17:57.000 What happens, of course, it's those three, you know, three different, you know, sectarian sects can't get along, so you needed a hard man, a dictator, to keep the people suppressed and controlled, so it leaves internal strife out.

00:18:09.000 Remove him, like we did, and then not replace it with a suitable alternative leaves this massive power vacuum, and that's why we have the situation where we're today, where we have all-out civil war.

00:18:19.000 So is the solution, do you continue having a hardline dictator like Saddam Hussein, which was obviously a brutal, oppressive guy, or do you just withdraw?

00:18:32.000 Obviously, there has to be a midpoint where there has to be a political solution, and that's the only way out of this.

00:18:37.000 A political solution though, but how do you organize a political solution when you're faced with these overwhelming numbers of jihadists and people blowing themselves up and Sunnis versus the Shias is the whole place is just overrun with turmoil.

00:18:51.000 I mean, how does that ever become a political solution?

00:18:55.000 That seems like a just a phrase that you can use.

00:18:58.000 We need a political solution, but what does that really mean?

00:19:01.000 I've made a political solution.

00:19:02.000 I mean, the only way forward, the only answer to this is you draw Iraq up into three different countries. 0.82

00:19:07.000 But America will never allow that because you'll end up with the Kurds being a proxy state to Turkey. 0.94

00:19:13.000 You'll end up being the Shia majority in the south being a proxy state of Iran. 0.50

00:19:18.000 Saudi Arabia will never allow that because they're our ally.

00:19:21.000 Iran, which is our natural ally for the wrong reasons, but they are our natural ally.

00:19:27.000 The U.S. will never allow that either.

00:19:28.000 So the workable solution is three different states, but America is never going to allow that to happen. 0.92

00:19:34.000 So this is a massive shitstorm. 0.93

00:19:36.000 A huge shitstorm. 0.99

00:19:37.000 The perfect shitstorm. 0.98

00:19:38.000 Did you see the recent interview with Dick Cheney where he said that his number one regret was that he didn't invade Iran at the same time as Iraq? 0.94

00:19:46.000 Please. 1.00

00:19:47.000 That motherfucker is made out of pure evil. 1.00

00:19:50.000 They need to scrape that guy and put him in a test tube and find out. 1.00

00:19:54.000 He might not even be human. 0.98

00:19:56.000 I think he's part, you know, Sif. 0.96

00:19:58.000 He's a demon. 0.99

00:19:59.000 He's a demon. 0.97

00:20:00.000 I mean, when he didn't have a heartbeat, remember that?

00:20:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:03.000 When he had that fake heart, you know, artificial heart that was keeping him from having a heartbeat.

00:20:08.000 He had no pulse.

00:20:10.000 Isn't that in the Bible somewhere?

00:20:11.000 I mean, I guarantee you there's a religious text somewhere about a warmonger, someone who brings death and destruction through the land. 0.83

00:20:19.000 He has no pulse.

00:20:20.000 His heart beateth not.

00:20:22.000 That was a Goliath, I think.

00:20:25.000 A guy who deferred from the Vietnam War.

00:20:28.000 Five times.

00:20:29.000 Five times, yeah.

00:20:29.000 Five times.

00:20:30.000 Was never drafted.

00:20:32.000 Figured out a way to weasel his way out of the system.

00:20:34.000 Got to a position where he runs a company that...

00:20:46.000 Yeah.

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 Pure evil.

00:21:00.000 It's unbelievable.

00:21:16.000 And he says in the classical totalitarian state, something like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, you have a charismatic figure at the top.

00:21:23.000 And it's where, in a classical totalitarian state, it's where politics trumps economics.

00:21:30.000 In inverted totalitarianism, like we have in the United States, economics trumps politics.

00:21:35.000 Now, everything has been sold to the highest bidder in this country.

00:21:39.000 So, corporations run anything, and you've touched on such a good point with Halliburton.

00:21:44.000 Jeremy Scahill, author of Dirty Wars and so forth, I'm a huge fan of, he's spoken at length how at the height of our occupation in Afghanistan, we had a total of 250,000 men on the ground in Afghanistan, only something like 45,000 Americans,

00:22:02.000 45% of that footprint The rest of us was actual American military force.

00:22:07.000 The rest are corporate contractors, whether it's for food delivery, whether it's for arms supplying, medical or whatever, or infrastructure rebuilding.

00:22:16.000 So when you have corporations who profit from war, And you have a political class in Washington who only is totally 100% beholden to these corporations.

00:22:26.000 We now live in a country where wars are for profit.

00:22:31.000 And we'll make our decisions based on what's profitable and not in the interest of national security or the American population.

00:22:37.000 The wars are for profit and also the wars become a business that you can't just end.

00:22:44.000 You can't just end that business because then you take people out of work.

00:22:47.000 I've heard that argued about the war on drugs.

00:22:49.000 It's one of the best arguments about the reason why.

00:22:52.000 There's so many lobbyists against legalizing marijuana.

00:22:55.000 When you look at the actual health risks of marijuana being so minimal and the actual medical benefits that you have for people that have cancer and AIDS, there's so many different ways you can use it.

00:23:06.000 The idea that this isn't something that someone's decided to like, hey, we can use this for people and people can benefit.

00:23:12.000 Why isn't it?

00:23:13.000 Well, one of the big ones is because there's a whole business In arresting people, imprisoning people, making sure that prison guards stay working, making sure that prisons stay filled, making sure that sheriffs, they need a certain amount of sheriffs, need a certain amount of deputies.

00:23:28.000 There's a whole business behind that, and people have to recognize that when you change a law, Sort of just like what's going on in Iraq right now where there's this giant void when we pulled out of Iraq.

00:23:37.000 If you just cut the ties on all these laws and say, look, this is all legal now. 0.97

00:23:42.000 All you guys that were arresting people for all this shit, you're going to have to find some new shit to do. 0.98

00:23:47.000 There's going to be a mad scramble and they're going to have to figure out some new way to profit. 0.99

00:23:51.000 Well, that's the situation that we're in right now with war.

00:23:54.000 The amount of money that's coming in from war.

00:23:57.000 Yep.

00:23:58.000 Is staggering.

00:23:59.000 The percentage of our economy that's dedicated just to war is substantial.

00:24:05.000 It's far greater than many, many other things that would be very important.

00:24:08.000 Inner city restoration, you know, education, public education.

00:24:13.000 I mean, the amount of money that's being spent on tanks and missiles and fucking just feeding troops and sending people over there and then contractors like Halliburton that are fixed.

00:24:23.000 This is just amazing amounts of money that's flowing back and forth. 0.56

00:24:27.000 And to cut that off, it's like you've got so much momentum and entropy.

00:24:31.000 How do you stop that?

00:24:33.000 Well, I mean, you've just talked about our incarceration problem or our prison problem in this country.

00:24:38.000 Again, that's another part of the corporate totalitarian state. 0.89

00:24:40.000 Now, you take a poor person, a poor black guy on the streets. 1.00

00:24:45.000 What is he worth to the corporations? 0.88

00:24:46.000 He has no money.

00:24:47.000 He's not going to spend his money at Walmart or Macy's or whatever.

00:24:50.000 He has nothing.

00:24:51.000 But to put that poor black minority person into a prison, all of a sudden, these private prison organizations will make $50,000 per year out of taxpayer money for him being in prison for a non-violent crime. 0.55

00:25:04.000 So when we're trying to dismantle and find solutions, that's the kind of headwinds that you're running against.

00:25:11.000 There's too much influence to the corporations over the political structure.

00:25:14.000 We can have these conversations all day, right?

00:25:16.000 But what possible solutions can be offered?

00:25:19.000 C.J. Werleman, if you were the president of the United States, you can't be and weren't born here.

00:25:23.000 You've got a weird accent. 0.68

00:25:24.000 It was good enough for Arnold Schwarzenegger for California. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Well, it was probably good enough for Arnold Schwarzenegger before he fucked his maid to be the president. 0.99

00:25:30.000 She wasn't even hot. 1.00

00:25:31.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:25:32.000 He's an animal. 1.00

00:25:33.000 He's just one of those guys. 0.93

00:25:35.000 There's a chick around him. 1.00

00:25:36.000 He'll fuck her. 1.00

00:25:37.000 But I think if you had a position where they said, look, man, you seem like a reasonable guy. 1.00

00:25:44.000 You've written some great books.

00:25:45.000 Run this thing.

00:25:47.000 Well, the solution for America, and this stops me from getting booked on a lot of shows, is the solution is socialism.

00:25:55.000 Oh, you said it.

00:25:56.000 You said it.

00:25:57.000 You said the bad word, bro. 1.00

00:25:59.000 What the fuck are you trying to take everybody's money? 0.99

00:26:02.000 It's like saying the C word. 0.99

00:26:03.000 Redistribution of wealth.

00:26:04.000 I know.

00:26:04.000 Envy of the rich.

00:26:05.000 It's all that sort of stuff.

00:26:06.000 Yeah.

00:26:07.000 You know, Americans, you know, nowhere in the Western world is the socialism or the S-word more, you know, associated with demagoguery than here.

00:26:17.000 I mean, you say socialism, an American thinks of Stalinist Russia or East Germany.

00:26:22.000 When I hear the word socialism, I think of the country I'm from, Australia, I think of Canada to a lesser extent, and I think of all of Western Europe.

00:26:30.000 Socialism doesn't mean the absence of capitalism.

00:26:33.000 It means where, you know, basic human rights are catered for in a structure which is paid for by the rich and the corporations.

00:26:40.000 What we have in America is, you know, you've got corporations paying the lowest tax contribution to the federal government in U.S. history.

00:26:49.000 Republicans will defend and say, oh, but our corporate tax rate is 35%.

00:26:53.000 It is that on paper.

00:26:54.000 The effective rate after all the loopholes, after all the deductions, all the loopholes have actually been written in Washington by these pro-corporate lobbyists.

00:27:01.000 The effective rate is 12%, which makes it the lowest amongst all OECD countries.

00:27:05.000 And that's the reason why America doesn't have nice things, like bridges.

00:27:09.000 Nice things.

00:27:11.000 That's why we can't have nice things.

00:27:13.000 Like, you know, high-speed rail.

00:27:15.000 I mean, you know, look, America today looks like a third-world country.

00:27:18.000 I've spent 10 years of my life in Indonesia, the last 10 years before I moved here.

00:27:22.000 America basically looks like Bangladesh with white people. 0.81

00:27:26.000 It really does. 0.91

00:27:28.000 Nothing works.

00:27:29.000 Our high schools are falling apart.

00:27:31.000 Our rail is running off its tracks.

00:27:33.000 Our bridges are collapsing in the water below them.

00:27:35.000 Not one US city is ranked in the top 20 most livable cities in the world.

00:27:39.000 Not one US airport is ranked in the top 100 airports in the world.

00:27:42.000 Is that true?

00:27:44.000 Yeah, that is true.

00:27:45.000 And it's because we've starved the federal government the revenue it needs to build a happy society.

00:27:51.000 You go to Europe, and I'm always staggered by my hardcore conservative friends, debates I have online or in interviews on radio panels and so forth, and I hear conservatives come back from Europe and go, God, I had a lovely holiday.

00:28:03.000 It's so nice there.

00:28:04.000 You just see no poverty.

00:28:05.000 The public transport works like you can set your watch to it.

00:28:13.000 And you go, well, you know, you wonder why?

00:28:14.000 Because they have a state where corporations are paying their fair share.

00:28:17.000 In Germany, which hit, you know, economic hard times at the same time we did in 08, their economy is booming because they have a good blend of social democracy and capitalism.

00:28:27.000 They made a law in Germany where if you have a company of more than 50 employees, at least 50% of your board must be represented by the working force.

00:28:37.000 The working force?

00:28:38.000 50% of your board?

00:28:39.000 Must be elected by 50% of the labor force in that company.

00:28:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:28:44.000 So the folks that work in whatever you make, they have a vote.

00:28:50.000 So half of them have to be elected by those people, so they have to represent the needs and wants of the people that work for that company.

00:28:55.000 Exactly.

00:28:56.000 That's fascinating.

00:28:56.000 And Germany's booming.

00:28:58.000 It hasn't stopped with Germany's boom.

00:28:59.000 But the opposite of the American way at the moment is still trickle-down economics.

00:29:04.000 And you look at Kansas.

00:29:05.000 Kansas, which is basically a laboratory for Tea Party, hardcore conservative thinking, they put the most aggressive tax cuts on the rich that we've seen in the last 20 or 30 years.

00:29:15.000 Total Reaganomics in 2010, now got a $338 million budget blowout.

00:29:23.000 And now they can have to cut education and services to the poor and safety wealth net because they've got this budget hole that they can't explain. 0.98

00:29:29.000 Now, I'll tell you how you fucking explain it. 0.89

00:29:31.000 You just took a massive cut to the rich and corporations and nothing comes back for it. 0.99

00:29:35.000 There is definitely a real problem in America when you were talking about the corporations paying a small amount of taxes and then you look at the infrastructure.

00:29:45.000 There's some shaky spots in this country, especially New York City.

00:29:49.000 The Brooklyn Bridge just had a giant collapse recently.

00:29:51.000 You see that?

00:29:52.000 Yeah.

00:29:52.000 Some big chunk of it just fell down.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, you got to fix that fucking thing, man. 0.99

00:29:58.000 Where's all that money going? 0.99

00:30:00.000 Especially when you consider in New York, they have to pay tolls everywhere.

00:30:04.000 Every time you go somewhere, what is it, like $7 or $9?

00:30:08.000 Yeah, I think we looked up, it was like $7.58.

00:30:10.000 $7.50!

00:30:13.000 I mean, that's lunch somewhere.

00:30:15.000 And you've got to pay that every time you drive across a spot.

00:30:18.000 And you and I have to pay for that, or the people in the middle class in New Jersey have to pay for that, and that's because the wealthy aren't paying their share of taxes in the United States.

00:30:25.000 So the middle class are the ones who get lumped with the tax bill.

00:30:28.000 Isn't it fascinating that when you start talking about this kind of stuff, you start talking about socialism, that the rich pay their share, The big resistance seems to come from a lot of poor conservative people.

00:30:39.000 When the big resistance to socialism comes from these people that I don't know if it's like they have this idea in their head that one day they're going to be prosperous so they don't want you mucking it up for their chances.

00:30:51.000 But I've found this quite fascinating, that one of the big resistances to the ideas of communism or the ideas of socialism, and these are just ideas, just bringing them up, but a knee-jerk reaction comes from the lower middle class or middle class conservative folks.

00:31:09.000 Yeah, I mean, what John Steinbeck said at base, he said, you know, Americans are temporarily embarrassed millionaires in waiting.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 That's hilarious!

00:31:22.000 Everyone in this country thinks we're going to be rich.

00:31:25.000 That's that individual ruggedism which Americans believe in.

00:31:29.000 And it's very hard to break that.

00:31:31.000 You've got the working class in these red belt states.

00:31:35.000 Which are voting for a party which exclusively is only benefiting the top 1%.

00:31:41.000 I mean, how does a poor person in, say, Mississippi or Alabama pull the lever for the Republican Party who has blocked the expansion of Medicaid, basically blocked the expansion of universal health care?

00:31:52.000 One of the biggest predicators of poverty is your access to health care.

00:31:55.000 If you don't have it, you're destined for poverty.

00:31:57.000 And they vote against that, only because they say Jesus a few times before they go to the polls, and hallelujah, you just want yourself a vote.

00:32:04.000 A lot of folks don't realize that that all started with Reagan.

00:32:07.000 Reagan changed politics in America with his embracing of the religious right and using them as a political base, as a base of people you can guarantee are going to vote for you if you start talking Jesus.

00:32:18.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 I mean, Reagan morally and financially banked up this country.

00:32:23.000 Not only did he bank drop this country with trickle-down economics fiscally, but he also banked up this country because he taught Americans, a whole generation of Americans, how to hate the poor.

00:32:33.000 And that's where we are today.

00:32:34.000 That's why it's so easy for people on the right.

00:32:38.000 I think?

00:32:52.000 If it's rich, it means Jesus has bestowed great wealth on you because you're honorable and you're pious.

00:32:57.000 But if you're poor, it means you must be a sinner. 0.99

00:33:00.000 And therefore, if the blacks and Hispanics are poor, it means Jesus hates them. 1.00

00:33:03.000 So be damned with them. 1.00

00:33:04.000 What about poor white people? 1.00

00:33:06.000 Jesus loves them.

00:33:07.000 He loves them, but they still need to fend for themselves.

00:33:09.000 Because ironically, they get their philosophy from Ayn Rand, who is an atheist.

00:33:13.000 Oh, Ayn Rand.

00:33:14.000 That's a hilarious one.

00:33:16.000 The Ayn Rand one is a really interesting one because that's one that the libertarians seem to cling to and the pull them up by your bootstraps, pull themselves up by their bootstraps attitude.

00:33:28.000 It's easy to think like Ayn Rand if you're born into a privileged white neighborhood area.

00:33:32.000 Everyone's got an equal shot.

00:33:33.000 What are you talking about?

00:33:35.000 Yeah, I love Canada, and any ideas that anybody has against what you're talking about, like socialized medicine, it's not the best in Canada.

00:33:44.000 I have friends that live up there, and they say they've hurt their knee and had to wait 10 months to get a surgery, and that sucks.

00:33:50.000 That's not cool. 0.99

00:33:51.000 But they're nice as fuck. 1.00

00:33:53.000 They're educated as fuck. 1.00

00:33:55.000 Education is free. 1.00

00:33:56.000 You get good universities all over the country that are pretty much commensurate.

00:34:00.000 So you don't have this thing where you have to fly all the way to New York to go to NYU or go to Boulder.

00:34:06.000 You can go to a neighborhood university and you're going to get an excellent education.

00:34:10.000 It's a different sort of an environment up there.

00:34:13.000 And that's a problem because we've capitalized.

00:34:16.000 And privatize the education system to hear such a degree.

00:34:19.000 I mean, if you get a degree in Australia, whether it's Macquarie University or Sydney University or University of New South Wales, an MBA at one of those schools is exactly the same as an MBA at any one of those schools.

00:34:30.000 Here, you know, not only does an MBA matter, but also then it has to be from the right school.

00:34:36.000 So an MBA from Harvard or an Ivy League school Is Trump's an MBA from University of San Diego or something like that?

00:34:43.000 And that shouldn't be the way.

00:34:44.000 And in fact, what that does, it still keeps propelling that plutocracy because there was a study done that at least for every student at Harvard, each student at Harvard has at least one parent earning at least $400,000 per year.

00:34:57.000 So we're still, you know, with the capitalization of everything, we're forming a system where we have, you know, the very wealthy at the top and we have everybody struggling at the bottom.

00:35:06.000 The elitism involved in education is really fascinating to me today, especially because there's so much access to information.

00:35:14.000 So many books, so much online, so much to read.

00:35:17.000 You can get so much access to information that would, you know, a long time ago, the difference between going to Harvard and going to San Diego State was pretty gigantic.

00:35:26.000 But with what you have access to today, the average person has access to the exact same information that they're teaching at any school, anywhere.

00:35:36.000 But I had a conversation with a friend of mine, and he was wrong about something, and I brought up this woman who had, you know, she went to the University of Mississippi, but she went there and this was her major, like this thing that we were talking about.

00:35:52.000 And he goes, well, this guy went to Yale.

00:35:54.000 But he didn't even go to Yale for that!

00:35:56.000 He went to Yale for something else.

00:35:58.000 And he's 80. So he went to Yale in the 1960s.

00:36:02.000 Who knows what the fuck they were teaching back then? 0.98

00:36:04.000 What are you talking about, man? 0.99

00:36:06.000 But his first initial reaction was, look, she went to the University of Mississippi.

00:36:11.000 He went to Yale.

00:36:12.000 I'm like, oh, that's hilarious.

00:36:14.000 But that is the way we think in this country.

00:36:16.000 It is.

00:36:17.000 And also, not only is it the way we think, but, you know, these kids that are going to MIT or Harvard or Yale, well, it's the networks they take with them.

00:36:24.000 So when the jobs are available, you know, the only growth area that we have in this country is the technology jobs, but that's such an insular job market where only the networks, the alumni from these prestigious schools get to really apply from it.

00:36:37.000 All the kids working at Google, they all went to these, you know, fancy schools that could be afforded by their wealthy parents.

00:36:43.000 Yeah, that's kind of creepy.

00:36:44.000 The elitism amongst education, I think, is kind of creepy.

00:36:47.000 And it's also creepy that you wind up having these, like, skull-and-bones type organizations where all these people inside these, you know...

00:36:55.000 George Bush.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, these fraternities.

00:36:57.000 And John Kerry, you know, they get into these fraternistic groups, these, you know, very insulated groups, and they feed off of each other.

00:37:07.000 And they, you know, they become very nepotistic, and they help each other in business, and they...

00:37:11.000 Form these little teams together.

00:37:13.000 I found it in sitcoms.

00:37:16.000 In sitcoms, it was fascinating that a lot of the writers had went to Harvard.

00:37:19.000 They worked for the Lampoon.

00:37:21.000 And they would recruit other guys from Harvard.

00:37:23.000 And those were the guys that they wanted to hire as writers.

00:37:27.000 And I was like, that is really fascinating.

00:37:29.000 You guys all went to this little club together.

00:37:31.000 So you're feeding off each other.

00:37:33.000 Yeah, and in the meanwhile, they get in front of the camera and say, I did it all myself.

00:37:36.000 I'm self-made.

00:37:38.000 At this point, there is no self-made.

00:37:43.000 One of the things that Obama made a critical blunder with was this whole, you didn't do that yourself.

00:37:49.000 You didn't build it.

00:37:50.000 Yeah, if you made your own business, you didn't build that.

00:37:52.000 I thought it was a huge blunder because instead of celebrating someone who does innovate and create their own business and get out there and do it, instead of saying this is a great thing and more people can do this and more people can contribute, instead he kind of focused on the negative aspect of it.

00:38:09.000 Instead of saying something along the lines of...

00:38:11.000 I think it could have been...

00:38:13.000 Look, I couldn't imagine what the workload of a guy like Obama is.

00:38:17.000 How much time does he have to actually consider every chess move that he makes, everything that he says, how it's going to be interpreted, how is it going to be twisted and turned?

00:38:26.000 But that was a big blunder.

00:38:27.000 It seemed like an obvious checkmate move.

00:38:30.000 He was actually...

00:38:31.000 The you didn't build it was taken a little bit out of context because the full transcript of that, he muddled the punchline, basically.

00:38:40.000 He was channeling Elizabeth Warren, who had given a speech earlier on that, and basically saying, you know, the universities which taught those kids, you didn't build that.

00:38:48.000 The roads which you're taking the trucks on and using transport to deliver your goods to market, you didn't build that.

00:38:55.000 And the bridges and so forth.

00:38:56.000 And he messed up the execution of the point, and then it was caught on, basically it meant every entrepreneur in America, you didn't build your business.

00:39:05.000 But that certainly wasn't the...

00:39:06.000 It wasn't.

00:39:07.000 But even saying in that fashion, saying you didn't make those roads, duh.

00:39:12.000 Yeah, duh.

00:39:13.000 Everybody knows that, man.

00:39:15.000 Why concentrate on that?

00:39:17.000 Why not say, but you did a great thing.

00:39:20.000 You created your own business.

00:39:22.000 But in order for that business to prosper, we need the infrastructure that all of us are contributing to.

00:39:27.000 We need the educational system that is going to bring up the new workers that are going to be a part of your company.

00:39:32.000 We need the roads.

00:39:33.000 We need all these things.

00:39:35.000 We all work together. 0.93

00:39:36.000 But you understand that, Joe, because you're literate on politics, but people like Libertarians and these crazy right-wing Republicans, they don't understand that.

00:39:45.000 They think these bridges and roads and infrastructure come from thin air.

00:39:49.000 Actually, Libertarian, they believe the tax rate should be almost zero, and the corporations will provide everything.

00:39:56.000 My only problem with taxes is that I feel like most people that are in positions of government, I just feel like the system that we have currently set up is so inherently flawed that throwing more money at it is just going to make a larger bureaucracy,

00:40:13.000 going to make more jobs, more regulations, more people, and that whole system that sort of feeds off of the money Like we were talking about with private prisons or we were talking about with prison guards and keeping drugs illegal in order to feed this machine.

00:40:27.000 When you make the business of government larger and larger, I don't necessarily think that's the best way to fix the problems that we have.

00:40:35.000 I don't necessarily think that I've had this argument with friends that are very liberal that, you know, we just need higher tax rates.

00:40:41.000 And I'm like, no, then you're gonna have more government.

00:40:43.000 And I don't think more government is the answer.

00:40:45.000 I don't think more regulations, more people, more things, more forms you have to fill out, more people that are in some strange office somewhere that have to justify their existence.

00:40:54.000 I don't necessarily think that's the answer.

00:40:56.000 I think it has to be some sort of a top-down organization, reorganization of the very structure, That this society operates under. 0.99

00:41:05.000 Because right now, it's this foundation of this unfixable bullshit. 0.99

00:41:09.000 It's so flawed that throwing money at it is like putting gum on a breaking dam. 0.99

00:41:18.000 It's like, you need more than that.

00:41:20.000 You need...

00:41:21.000 Some sort of a comprehensive philosophy designed to reconstruct this whole situation from the bottom up, from the top down, the whole thing.

00:41:32.000 Exactly.

00:41:33.000 And I would argue that the way you rebuilt the economy is the opposite of every conservative politics or economics.

00:41:41.000 How do you build an economy?

00:41:42.000 And I'm not an economist, but I listen very intuitively to people like Robert Reich or Jared Bernstein or Paul Krugman.

00:41:48.000 Guys who are Nobel laureate economists in their own right.

00:41:52.000 And the reason the American economy isn't growing, despite the fact that we have record numbers on Wall Street, despite the fact that the official unemployment rate is falling, the unemployment rate is falling, but not with jobs that pay well.

00:42:04.000 It's always these service-paid jobs and so forth.

00:42:07.000 What's happening is we're not having shared prosperity.

00:42:09.000 You know, we have the minimum wage level, which is below the 1969 level.

00:42:14.000 The middle class income has stagnated and has fallen since 1979. So while you have corporations today sitting on record $3 trillion profit, that productivity isn't being shared with the American worker.

00:42:27.000 And when it isn't being shared with the American worker...

00:42:29.000 We live in a consumer economy now.

00:42:32.000 We no longer make stuff.

00:42:33.000 Our economy is basically financial services and military.

00:42:36.000 So when it comes to financial services, instead of making products, we make stuff up.

00:42:40.000 So if we have a consumer economy and we recognize that, then the middle class and the working class needs more to spend.

00:42:49.000 And the only way you can do that is you lessen the tax burden at the bottom and you increase the tax burden at the top so consumers have more to spend.

00:42:55.000 And the only reason these corporations, despite their record profits, aren't hiring is because there's no consumer demand.

00:43:01.000 What do you say to the argument that corporations shouldn't have to pay profits because they're not people? 0.99

00:43:08.000 The idea that they shouldn't have to pay taxes, that the people in the corporation pay taxes.

00:43:13.000 So the corporations themselves should not have to pay taxes.

00:43:16.000 Yeah, I mean, that's just absurd.

00:43:18.000 I mean, these corporations benefit from our airports, our bridges, our roads, our transport, you name it, our rail networks, interstate highway systems, R&D technology, you name it.

00:43:29.000 But the people that are in the corporation already do pay taxes.

00:43:32.000 I'm going all Peter Schiff on you right now.

00:43:35.000 Let's see where you're going.

00:43:37.000 The corporation is just a group of people.

00:43:41.000 Now, if all the group of people all pay taxes, the idea that the corporation itself, this unit, has to pay taxes on top of that, isn't that sort of...

00:43:51.000 Justifying this notion that a corporation is a person, that a corporation is like an individual, which is one of the things that they've used to justify corporations being able to contribute vast sums of money to political campaigns.

00:44:05.000 That a corporation, like the Supreme Court has ruled this, that a corporation can sort of act as an individual in that regard.

00:44:12.000 I mean, we need to move away from that whole line of thinking.

00:44:15.000 I mean, this Supreme Court is, you know, basically radicals in robes.

00:44:19.000 And, you know, since Reagan, I mean, you know, it's been a conservative-dominated court for the last three decades.

00:44:25.000 I mean, we haven't had a liberal judge appointed to the bench since LBJ. Who is the guy that's in the Supreme Court that said that pedophilia, that, no, having sex with a man is just like having sex with a man, no different than having sex with an animal? 0.99

00:44:41.000 Yeah, not Alito, the other guy, the big fat guy. 1.00

00:44:44.000 Scalia?

00:44:45.000 Scalia.

00:44:45.000 Yeah, Scalia.

00:44:47.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:44:48.000 You're a Supreme Court judge? 1.00

00:44:50.000 He said, what did he say? 0.99

00:44:52.000 That if a man wants to have sex with a man, what's to stop him from wanting to have sex with an animal? 0.98

00:44:57.000 Is that next? 0.99

00:44:58.000 That's exactly what he said.

00:44:59.000 Whoa, son, for real?

00:45:01.000 I mean...

00:45:03.000 You don't think that people are gay? 0.98

00:45:05.000 I mean, you don't think that people are born...

00:45:06.000 I mean, do you know anybody?

00:45:08.000 Like, how could you say that?

00:45:09.000 I mean, I've got a lot of gay friends, and I know that sounds like, you know, one of those guys says I've got a lot of black friends, but... 0.90

00:45:14.000 And they're right before a good black joke. 0.86

00:45:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:18.000 I do have a lot of gay friends, and I've been to very gay parties, and I can tell you straight up that not one of my gay friends has said, man, I just pounded some ass, and I can't wait to pound your dog. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:45:31.000 There's the next logical step. 1.00

00:45:33.000 Well, there's no denying that there are certain people that are fucked up and they do have sex with animals. 1.00

00:45:37.000 I was young. 0.99

00:45:39.000 I'm not sure if that's the same. 0.98

00:45:42.000 And I don't think that you should be allowed to be a fucking Supreme Court judge if those are the sort of connections that you're making. 0.98

00:45:49.000 I mean, the five conservative judges on the Supreme Court are all Catholics. 0.99

00:45:53.000 And that's fine.

00:45:54.000 I've got no problem with that.

00:45:55.000 But that means that...

00:45:56.000 I've got a problem with it.

00:45:57.000 The Supreme Court is the highest court in the land, but you've basically got five out of the nine representatives on that bench who appeal to a higher authority, which is the Vatican and the Pope.

00:46:07.000 So, I mean, remember when JFK... I mean, you and I are probably too young for...

00:46:10.000 Definitely too young when JFK was elected.

00:46:12.000 But when JFK's campaign in 1960...

00:46:16.000 The biggest issue against him was the fact he was a Catholic because Americans were worried that he would have to answer to somebody outside of the United States.

00:46:25.000 Well, we have that situation today, but no one seems to want to talk about it.

00:46:28.000 Yeah, that is a fascinating thing that at one point in time, that was a detriment, that him being a Catholic was thought to be like a knock. 0.99

00:46:34.000 Meanwhile, we almost had a fucking Mormon in the present. 0.98

00:46:37.000 And no one wanted to talk. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Mitt Romney said, my Mormonism is off the table.

00:46:41.000 And the media went, oh, okay. 1.00

00:46:42.000 How the fuck is your Mormonism off the table? 1.00

00:46:45.000 Why didn't one person in the media say, do you still believe that in the Mormon heaven, black people will be your servants? 1.00

00:46:51.000 I mean, why isn't that a valid question?

00:46:54.000 Do you still believe that you get your own planet when you die?

00:46:57.000 Yeah, and do you believe Jesus, when he inevitably returns, will be to Missouri?

00:47:01.000 Yeah, and do you believe that the American Indians were actually the lost tribe of Israel?

00:47:07.000 Why didn't anyone ask you that?

00:47:09.000 Because he said it's off the table. 1.00

00:47:10.000 Do you believe that Joseph Smith, who was a fucking con man... 1.00

00:47:13.000 Convicted fraud. 0.99

00:47:14.000 Yeah, who found golden tablets at the age of 14, but they mysteriously disappeared because the angels took them away.

00:47:20.000 Yeah, I would have been happy if Joseph Smith was convicted for having sex with an animal or stealing something, but he was convicted for fraud, the very thing that he's trying to defraud the American public with, so... 0.89

00:47:30.000 And it's really funny that the Mormon church, the sect of the Mormon church that Romney was involved with was so radical that they moved to Mexico in the 1800s in order to keep having sex with multiple women. 0.92

00:47:43.000 They wanted to have multiple brides. 1.00

00:47:46.000 The United States said, hey, look, you can't marry fucking 20 chicks. 1.00

00:47:49.000 Cut the shit. 1.00

00:47:50.000 And so they go, fuck you, man. 1.00

00:47:52.000 We're going to Mexico. 1.00

00:47:52.000 And they went to Mexico back when it didn't matter. 1.00

00:47:54.000 Yeah.

00:47:55.000 Because it didn't matter.

00:47:56.000 The difference between the United States and Mexico before there was cars wasn't that great.

00:48:00.000 Mexico was like Arizona.

00:48:01.000 Just go down there.

00:48:02.000 It's no big deal.

00:48:03.000 We'll be in Mexico.

00:48:04.000 We'll see you over there.

00:48:05.000 You want to come visit us?

00:48:05.000 Get on a horse.

00:48:06.000 But then all of a sudden, at some point in time, America became America and Mexico became what it is today. 1.00

00:48:13.000 And these fuckers are still over there. 1.00

00:48:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:16.000 People don't really.

00:48:16.000 The Romney Church, they're still over there.

00:48:19.000 Romney's dad was born in Mexico.

00:48:21.000 That's why he couldn't be a president.

00:48:22.000 And no one asked for a Romney's birth certificate.

00:48:25.000 It's off the table.

00:48:27.000 It's off the table.

00:48:28.000 My Mormonism, my faith is off the table.

00:48:31.000 Where my dad was born, untouchable.

00:48:33.000 Five guys on the Supreme Court, Catholic, and the head Catholic guy, who I like.

00:48:39.000 I like this new pope.

00:48:40.000 I think if you wanted to have a pope, this guy is the best you could hope for.

00:48:45.000 He has a very conservative chair that he sits in.

00:48:47.000 He got rid of that crazy throne.

00:48:49.000 He doesn't drive the pope-mobile anymore.

00:48:52.000 He said, look, at my age, I have very little to lose.

00:48:54.000 If someone wants to take me out, here I am. 0.99

00:48:56.000 And he also said that he believes that 2% of Catholic priests are gay or pedophiles. 0.96

00:49:02.000 But he hasn't interviewed the other 98% yet. 0.98

00:49:05.000 But how crazy is that? 0.78

00:49:06.000 Two percent are pedophiles, right? 0.85

00:49:08.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:49:08.000 Well, I mean, I'm with you. 0.87

00:49:10.000 I actually wrote a piece for Salon on the new Pope, and it wasn't my headline, but the headline Salon put was, The Lesson Atheists Can Learn from Pope Francis.

00:49:23.000 I mean, he's very progressive.

00:49:24.000 I like the fact that he's denounced trickle-down economics.

00:49:27.000 He's called it an abject failure.

00:49:28.000 He's talked about the poverty this has inflicted upon all countries around the world.

00:49:32.000 He's talked about the failure of globalization and so forth.

00:49:35.000 Yeah, I think, you know, we still have to remember that he hasn't, you know, denounced, you know, bigotry against gays.

00:49:43.000 I mean, you know, and so forth.

00:49:44.000 He hasn't...

00:49:45.000 And he's still...

00:49:45.000 He's just starting on the child rape factor.

00:49:48.000 But yeah, I mean, there's...

00:49:50.000 Certainly good points to be spoken about when it comes to Pope Francis.

00:49:52.000 Certainly better than the former Nazi who moved pedophiles around to different churches because he busted them giving head jobs to boys. 0.94

00:49:59.000 He was the worst. 0.98

00:50:00.000 He was the worst Pope ever. 0.99

00:50:02.000 He was the scariest guy ever. 0.95

00:50:03.000 For folks who don't know, Pope Benedict, the guy who was before Pope Francis, was involved in a case where he moved a child molester who would actively target deaf kids.

00:50:14.000 And then he moved them and the guy molested a hundred more deaf kids after he moved them. 0.58

00:50:18.000 I mean, this guy was just a Predator. 1.00

00:50:20.000 Yeah, he's an evil fuck. 1.00

00:50:22.000 And Pope Benedict, they've kind of cooled down off of what charges people were rallying against him, but they wanted to charge him with crimes against humanity. 1.00

00:50:33.000 The Vatican itself, the way the Vatican works is it's its own state, correct?

00:50:39.000 Created by Mussolini. 0.52

00:50:41.000 It's the last bastion of fascism in Europe. 0.99

00:50:44.000 They also own a gay bathhouse. 0.98

00:50:46.000 You know that? 0.98

00:50:47.000 There's a gay bathhouse that's owned... 0.98

00:50:49.000 That's not Berlusconi's bathhouse, is it? 0.99

00:50:51.000 Well, I'll pull it up.

00:50:52.000 Hold on a second. 0.98

00:50:53.000 Gay Bathhouse Vatican. 0.99

00:50:54.000 There was a big controversy. 0.93

00:50:56.000 This is back when Homeboy was still the Pope.

00:51:00.000 Right. 0.99

00:51:00.000 Yeah, the Vatican plays landlords to Europe's biggest gay bathhouse. 0.99

00:51:05.000 The Catholic Church paid $30 million to acquire a building that houses... 0.99

00:51:09.000 A senior cardinal, drumroll, and a huge gay sauna. 0.98

00:51:14.000 This is on Salon.

00:51:16.000 You don't have pictures downloaded, do you?

00:51:17.000 No, but I have that picture.

00:51:19.000 That guy's awesome.

00:51:20.000 Oh, my God.

00:51:21.000 Ratzinger. 0.99

00:51:22.000 Ratzinger, when he used to have that crazy golden throne, and he looked like something right out of the fucking Lord of the Rings. 0.97

00:51:31.000 I mean, he really did, right? 0.98

00:51:32.000 Yeah, with his conch. 0.95

00:51:34.000 God, he's so sick looking. 1.00

00:51:35.000 What an evil fuck, that guy. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:38.000 There's another great picture, I don't know if you've ever seen it, of him.

00:51:42.000 He's sitting there on his crazy throne, and they had these gymnastics guys do some sort of crazy gymnastics demonstration in front of him with their little tights on. 0.94

00:51:52.000 And he's sitting there watching this, and I'm like, all the shit that this guy's accused with, you would think that he would want to be as far away from young men in tights as humanly possible. 0.99

00:52:01.000 His PR consultant needs to be fired. 0.99

00:52:04.000 Oh, they're so lost and dark and creepy and trying to adjust for all the years and years of evil that the Catholic Church has committed. 0.95

00:52:12.000 What I like about the Catholic Church and what you've got to say about this Pope Francis is the fact that it shows you exactly how man-made religion is.

00:52:19.000 Because, I mean, Pope Francis is basically coming along.

00:52:21.000 He's trying to adjust religion to modernity.

00:52:25.000 So he's basically just making the rules up as he goes to adjust it.

00:52:28.000 You know, this is like via committee.

00:52:30.000 Yeah, it's so crazy.

00:52:32.000 Well, I mean, all of it is that way.

00:52:33.000 I mean, the whole reason why they had to bring about this idea of purgatory was because they were trying to convert these pagans.

00:52:42.000 Like, oh, yeah, well, you know, you guys have the land of fate.

00:52:45.000 We got something like that.

00:52:47.000 We have this thing.

00:52:49.000 If you're not totally good, you go to this place and you're in a kind of a waiting room.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, same as circumcision. 0.85

00:52:56.000 I mean, when they're trying to sell circumcision, the Jewish faith too, which was a, you know, Christianity was rebranded in from, you know, Hebrewism.

00:53:03.000 They go to the Romans, hey, we've got this new religion for you. 1.00

00:53:05.000 The catch is you've got to cut off the tip of your penis. 1.00

00:53:08.000 And the Romans are like, hey, wait, wait, what are you talking about? 1.00

00:53:11.000 Christ.

00:53:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:12.000 It's also the history of all of our major holidays.

00:53:16.000 I mean, the reason why Christmas is celebrated during the winter solstice, that was because it was a pagan holiday.

00:53:21.000 And they're like, what a coincidence.

00:53:23.000 That's when our baby Jesus was born.

00:53:26.000 No, no, he wasn't.

00:53:27.000 If you pay attention to the Bible, he was born in the spring.

00:53:30.000 He wasn't supposed to be born then.

00:53:32.000 What are you guys doing? 0.99

00:53:33.000 You're fucking moving around the dates. 1.00

00:53:35.000 You guys are assholes. 1.00

00:53:36.000 They're trying to sell it. 1.00

00:53:37.000 It's hard to pay attention to that old shit in the first place because it's so difficult to decipher. 1.00

00:53:43.000 You're going from language to language. 0.99

00:53:44.000 And then on top of it, you got a bunch of people monkeying with the dates to try to bring in other people.

00:53:49.000 You're messing up the whole thing, man!

00:53:51.000 It just shows you how ridiculous it is, the idea that someone could have said something in stories and songs for a thousand years before they ever figured out how to write.

00:54:01.000 And then they started writing things down, and then they translated it from one language to another, back and forth, back and forth, but it's still 100% correct and definitely the Word of God.

00:54:12.000 And you mean, you know, America's the most Western Christian nation in the world.

00:54:17.000 And, you know, something like 85% of Americans have no idea of that historical context of the Bible, how it came from Greek, and how it was translated by scribes, you know, and so forth.

00:54:28.000 And these were stories told in the oral tradition, and where the Gospels came from and who they were, which we don't know.

00:54:34.000 Americans just think that, you know, the Bible came down in perfect form from, you know, fell from the sky, and that was it.

00:54:41.000 It came from Jesus, and it's a lot of it.

00:54:43.000 It's about gay folk. 0.79

00:54:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:44.000 About gay folk and their desire to have sex with animals as well. 1.00

00:54:48.000 Keep it away from my children! 1.00

00:54:50.000 Keep it away from my children! 1.00

00:54:53.000 Yeah, we got a strange world we live in, man.

00:54:55.000 We got a real strange world we live in when it comes to religion. 0.98

00:54:58.000 Because they focus on certain aspects of the Bible, but ignore some of the most ridiculous ones. 0.92

00:55:04.000 Like, you're not supposed to wear two different types of cloth together. 0.82

00:55:07.000 You're not supposed to eat shellfish. 0.71

00:55:09.000 If you eat shellfish, you're going to hell.

00:55:11.000 Do you know that?

00:55:11.000 Yeah, you can't go to Red Lobster, man.

00:55:14.000 You're going to go to hell. 0.68

00:55:15.000 You can't go to the oyster bar. 1.00

00:55:17.000 You're going to rot in a fucking cave somewhere. 1.00

00:55:19.000 At Red Lobster, you're fucked. 1.00

00:55:21.000 Yeah, you're fucked. 1.00

00:55:23.000 Red Lobster is just like the den of sodomy. 1.00

00:55:25.000 It's a terrible place. 0.98

00:55:27.000 As a matter of fact, it's more hated in the Bible.

00:55:29.000 It's brought up more often.

00:55:31.000 Well, it's funny.

00:55:31.000 There was a Barna group study which talked about biblical illiteracy in America, and 25% of Americans believed that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife, and 40% of Americans believed Sod and Gomorrah were a married couple.

00:55:45.000 Oh, God, that's hilarious. 0.99

00:55:47.000 That asked for anal a little too often. 0.97

00:55:49.000 Well, there's so few people that actually pay attention to the things that are in the Bible. 0.99

00:55:53.000 Like, I have a friend who's pretty religious and he has a religious tattoo.

00:55:55.000 And I'm like, dude, you've got to read the whole book.

00:55:59.000 You're not supposed to wear a tattoo.

00:56:01.000 You're not supposed to have tattoos, especially not religious tattoos. 0.99

00:56:04.000 Having a religious tattoo, if God does come back, he's going to be like, man, you fucking missed the point. 0.99

00:56:09.000 Totally. 1.00

00:56:09.000 It's on the same level as homosexuality. 1.00

00:56:12.000 Yeah, you're not supposed to get tattooed, son. 1.00

00:56:16.000 You're fucking this whole thing up. 0.99

00:56:18.000 Have you ever read or heard of the sacred mushroom in the cross? 0.99

00:56:21.000 No, I haven't.

00:56:22.000 The oldest version of the Bible is the Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:56:25.000 And there was a guy named John Marco Allegro who was a...

00:56:29.000 I forget where he went to school, Cambridge or Yale, whatever it was.

00:56:34.000 Mm-hmm.

00:56:59.000 He studied the Dead Sea Scrolls for over 14 years, and it was his conclusion after 14 years of translations that the entire Bible was a huge misunderstanding.

00:57:10.000 The Christian religion was a huge misunderstanding.

00:57:12.000 And it was really all about religious ceremonies that were based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.

00:57:20.000 And that all these ancient customs were hidden in parables to cover them up and hide them from the Romans.

00:57:28.000 When they were captured and when they were imprisoned and killed, they would cover up their ancient traditions of these consumptions of psychedelic mushrooms and the religious ecstasy they would achieve from eating these mushrooms.

00:57:43.000 Yep.

00:57:43.000 It was a fascinating, fascinating book.

00:57:45.000 Well, I guess that lends to, like I say, the book of Revelation is a cryptology book that's written in code to protect it from being interpreted by the Romans.

00:57:57.000 Yeah.

00:57:58.000 Yeah, he went to Oxford.

00:57:59.000 That's where he went.

00:58:01.000 He studied Hebrew dialects, and he was a scholar of ancient languages.

00:58:06.000 And he wrote this book, and it was very quickly bought up by the Catholic Church.

00:58:11.000 The only way to get this book is you've got to get an old copy of it.

00:58:14.000 But in the 1970s, when the book came out, it was very, very controversial.

00:58:17.000 Now, a guy named Jan Ervin has republished it through his family.

00:58:22.000 He got permission to do it.

00:58:24.000 Fascinating, fascinating book.

00:58:25.000 There's also another book that he wrote that he wrote a second book because the first book got bought out.

00:58:30.000 The second book was The Dead Sea Scrolls and The Christian Myth.

00:58:33.000 And it was very, very controversial because of the fact that this guy was extremely educated and agnostic, very intelligent, very well respected, and rock-solid credentials.

00:58:45.000 You couldn't deny the things that he was saying.

00:58:47.000 The people that read his work, a lot of his strange conclusions were...

00:58:53.000 Undeniably bizarre in the context of religion.

00:58:55.000 Like, he traced back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.

00:59:04.000 And that they believed that when it rained, this is, you know, you're talking six, ten thousand years ago, when it rained, that was God coming on the earth.

00:59:13.000 And that these mushrooms that would appear out of nowhere underneath...

00:59:17.000 It's really crazy because it's all based on...

00:59:20.000 Just a massive bukkake party. 0.99

00:59:22.000 Yes, a giant bukkake party of magic mushrooms.

00:59:25.000 But it's a long story to get into.

00:59:28.000 I've discussed it on this podcast before.

00:59:30.000 The people that are listening right now are probably moaning, like, not again!

00:59:33.000 But it's also connected to the ancient story of Santa Claus and Christmas because these mushrooms...

00:59:39.000 Santa Claus is coming.

00:59:40.000 Santa Claus is coming to town.

00:59:41.000 These mushrooms have a mycorrhizal relationship with carniferous trees, so you would find them underneath pine trees, which is where people always have pine trees as these Christmas trees, fir trees, whatever.

00:59:52.000 And these red and white mushrooms look like Santa Claus.

00:59:56.000 Have you ever seen the Amanita muscaria mushroom?

00:59:58.000 Do you know what it is?

00:59:59.000 No. 0.99

00:59:59.000 The Amanita muscaria mushroom is fucking Santa Claus. 0.99

01:00:04.000 That's extraordinary. 0.99

01:00:05.000 Yeah.

01:00:05.000 It's...

01:00:08.000 This is what it looks like.

01:00:10.000 And all the ancient images of Christmas, cards, old Christmas cards.

01:00:16.000 Jamie, see if you can find some old Christmas cards.

01:00:18.000 They all used to have pictures of these mushrooms.

01:00:21.000 There was elves and these mushrooms.

01:00:23.000 And by the way, take mushrooms, see elves.

01:00:26.000 It does happen.

01:00:27.000 It's fascinating that these mushrooms are connected to...

01:00:30.000 And also, the colors of the mushrooms are exactly the colors of Santa Claus, the red and white.

01:00:35.000 The fact that you hang these stockings by the fireplace.

01:00:39.000 Why do you have red and white stockings? 0.99

01:00:41.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:00:42.000 Because that's how they dry out these mushrooms. 0.99

01:00:44.000 The way they would dry out these mushrooms is by hanging them over the fire.

01:00:47.000 So these red and white mushrooms were representative.

01:00:50.000 Look at this.

01:00:51.000 These photos, see them up there?

01:00:52.000 Those are all ancient Christmas cards.

01:00:55.000 See the Amanita muscaria mushroom appears over and over and over again and all of these...

01:00:59.000 It's kind of been lost.

01:01:01.000 The symbology has been lost.

01:01:03.000 But that is the same mushroom that's on the cover of the sacred mushroom and the cross.

01:01:07.000 If you pull that up, Jamie, the book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, the John Marco Allegro book, it's all about this psychedelic mushroom, the Amanita muscaria, which is a very confusing mushroom because it apparently varies geographically, it varies genetically.

01:01:23.000 That's the book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, same mushroom.

01:01:26.000 Oh, that's a must-rated.

01:01:28.000 I'm going to get rid of that.

01:01:29.000 And just an incredible sort of a connection.

01:01:33.000 But it totally makes sense.

01:01:34.000 If you think about it, you're living 10,000 plus years ago.

01:01:39.000 You find these psychedelic mushrooms, you eat them, you have these intense religious ecstasy experiences, and then the Romans are coming. 1.00

01:01:46.000 You fucking... 1.00

01:01:47.000 You hide the stories. 1.00

01:01:49.000 You come up with these parables that you can disguise as stories.

01:01:53.000 And the apple of Adam and Eve supposedly was this Amanita muscaria mushroom.

01:01:58.000 Wow.

01:01:58.000 That is the word apple.

01:02:00.000 There's very many translations for the word apple, but one of them is red, the color red, and the idea of the eating of the red, meaning the eating of this mushroom, this red mushroom.

01:02:10.000 Oh, man, that's extraordinary. 0.92

01:02:11.000 They were tripping balls, bro. 0.98

01:02:12.000 They were all tripping balls and trying to write things down. 1.00

01:02:16.000 And then along the way, it got, keep my children away from the gays! 1.00

01:02:21.000 And what is it that kept them from the original message?

01:02:25.000 Well, most likely is the absence of these psychedelic experiences, these ego-dissolving experiences.

01:02:30.000 Which are just forbidden from, you know, I mean, if you look at the modern Christians, I mean, what's the one thing that they keep the children away from the drugs, the drugs, the evil marijuana, and all the things that are ruining our youth? 1.00

01:02:43.000 No, what's ruining your youth is ignorance as to what you're teaching in the very first place.

01:02:47.000 Like, what are the roots of what you're actually saying?

01:02:50.000 So few of them actually even know it.

01:02:52.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:53.000 Historical and contextual understanding of the religion is so poor.

01:02:57.000 It's so hard, too.

01:02:58.000 I mean, a guy like Allegro, a guy studying this book for 14 years, that's the big thing, is that's the oldest version of the Bible we know of.

01:03:06.000 That's the oldest version of the Bible that's in Aramaic as well.

01:03:10.000 So it's trying to add that to what people have just decided is the New Testament, which we all know was concocted by Constantine. 0.99

01:03:21.000 They took a bunch of bishops and they threw some shit out and put some shit in. 0.99

01:03:24.000 In the 4th century. 1.00

01:03:25.000 Yeah, clearly.

01:03:27.000 Well after Jesus and clearly the hand of man involved.

01:03:31.000 Clearly.

01:03:32.000 And that always blows Christians away when you speak to them. 1.00

01:03:35.000 And they believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...

01:03:46.000 Matthew and Luke copied from Mark, but used their own respective external sources 70 years after Jesus had passed away.

01:03:53.000 And John wrote his gospel 100 years after the death of Jesus.

01:03:56.000 So, you know, these stories were campfire stories passed down.

01:04:00.000 And when you, it's interesting, one of my books, Jesus Lied, He Was Only Human.

01:04:05.000 I take the New Testament.

01:04:07.000 And normally when you read the New Testament, you'll read, you know, Matthew, you read Mark, and you read Matthew, and then you read Luke, and then you read John.

01:04:14.000 And if you hear what each of the gospels has to write about each of the key moments in Jesus' life, whether it's his birth, His baptism, you know, his ministry, his trial, his execution, they kind of sound almost the same.

01:04:26.000 But if you just focus on one story in Matthew, let's say it's his baptism, and then one story, and then on baptism in Luke, and then baptism in Mark, and so forth, you see how wildly these stories differ, you know, which almost have no resemblance at all when it comes to the facts and so forth.

01:04:44.000 Not only that, that's a long fucking time ago.

01:04:48.000 The idea that you're going to take anything from 2,000 years ago and it's going to make any sense whatsoever in 2014, just piecing it together, the idea that that's the foundation of the very... 0.85

01:05:02.000 Structure of your society.

01:05:04.000 That's the foundation of your your ideology That's the foundation of your morals. 1.00

01:05:09.000 It's all based on this 2,000 plus year old garbled shit and not based on what we know today the Experiences that we have today what we know today about values and ethics and communication and the blowback of negative behavior That we're not trying to formulate our own new guidelines for life that we're all basing this on Don't eat clams and don't get tattooed and don't fuck guys. 1.00

01:05:35.000 Like all this crazy shit that's old as fuck and that was based on nonsense. 0.99

01:05:40.000 You know, it's quite amazing the hold that it has today. 1.00

01:05:45.000 And I think one of the best examples of...

01:05:48.000 One of the major problems that we have as a culture, and that's our fear.

01:05:52.000 Our fear of the unknown, our fear of death, our fear of, you know, that we're not living our lives the wrong way.

01:06:02.000 So if we have one particular ideology that we follow, anybody that follows another ideology is immediately attacked.

01:06:10.000 And that goes for the people that are religious.

01:06:13.000 Also, it goes to the people that are on the left that attack.

01:06:17.000 Without doubt, anything that's on the right.

01:06:19.000 It goes for the people that are on the right that attack anything that's on the left. 0.99

01:06:22.000 It goes for fucking Yankees fans that hate the Dodgers. 0.99

01:06:25.000 It goes for people who like Max. 1.00

01:06:28.000 You know, those fucking PC guys are assholes. 1.00

01:06:31.000 Like, we're weird with that. 1.00

01:06:32.000 We want our choice to be the correct choice.

01:06:36.000 We want our life...

01:06:37.000 Exactly.

01:06:38.000 And America is now, and polls will show this, America is more polarized today than it was on the eve of the Civil War.

01:06:46.000 Oh, really?

01:06:47.000 Yeah.

01:06:48.000 Well, it's 20 or 30 years ago.

01:06:49.000 We kind of all got our news from the same source.

01:06:51.000 You know, there was CNN or wherever.

01:06:53.000 Now, you know, the liberal camp and the conservative camp get their news from their own camps.

01:06:59.000 It becomes an endless...

01:07:03.000 We're good to go.

01:07:23.000 Was thrown out for not being conservative enough.

01:07:26.000 Eric Cantor, not being conservative enough.

01:07:28.000 What was it that he wasn't being conservative enough on?

01:07:31.000 Immigration was the big thing. 0.97

01:07:33.000 But, you know, I think Virginia's borders are well secured.

01:07:37.000 It's a hike. 1.00

01:07:38.000 It's a fucking hike for Mexico. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Why are you going to Virginia? 1.00

01:07:42.000 What is so attractive?

01:07:43.000 Yeah, we need a bigger build of war in the South Virginia. 0.69

01:07:46.000 I like girls with a certain accent. 0.78

01:07:48.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 Build a wall around Virginia.

01:07:51.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

01:07:52.000 Well, the immigration thing is one of the best examples of how this country is fucking crazy and insane is because it's a country that was founded by immigrants. 1.00

01:08:02.000 So this idea that we're going to keep all the immigrants out of a country that was founded by immigrants is holy shit crazy. 1.00

01:08:08.000 I mean, not only that, it's evil. 0.98

01:08:11.000 You got a bunch of people that are living below you in the South that are in a third world country that's connected.

01:08:18.000 It's an artificial boundary created by man.

01:08:22.000 It's not like it's across an ocean, like you have to get in a plane to get to Australia.

01:08:26.000 That's separate from America. 0.69

01:08:28.000 And you guys are closer to us than Mexico.

01:08:31.000 We're more concerned with the Australians than we are with the Mexicans. 1.00

01:08:34.000 I mean, Mexicans are involved in some brutal fucking drug wars. 1.00

01:08:38.000 They have terrible crime. 1.00

01:08:39.000 They have terrible corruption.

01:08:42.000 Mexico City is one of the most polluted cities on the planet as far as air pollution.

01:08:46.000 It's terrifying that this is all right next to us and these people are trying to flee to get out of this to get a better life. 1.00

01:08:53.000 And we're like, fuck you, this is America. 1.00

01:08:55.000 You can't even come over here. 1.00

01:08:56.000 I like how irony is lost on the right.

01:08:59.000 I was watching a Sean Hannity piece, and he was talking about his immigration crisis.

01:09:04.000 And he's got a headline to his piece was, Trouble in the Heartland, or Defending the Heartland.

01:09:13.000 And the graphic he had for Defending the Heartland was the Statue of Liberty, which was a gift from France and promotes immigration. 0.93

01:09:22.000 LAUGHTER That is hilarious.

01:09:25.000 Who knows?

01:09:26.000 That is hilarious.

01:09:27.000 What's the writing on the Statue of Liberty?

01:09:31.000 Send us your poor, huddled masses yearning to be free. 0.99

01:09:34.000 Oh, God!

01:09:36.000 And what gets me is the lack of introspection or navel-gazing when it comes to this.

01:09:43.000 It's our policies which have caused...

01:09:46.000 These are refugees.

01:09:47.000 They're not immigrants. 1.00

01:09:48.000 These are refugees fleeing intolerable violent circumstances inflicted upon by policies, not only our draconian drug wars, But also, you know, free trade.

01:10:01.000 NAFTA, again, signed into law by Bill Clinton, displaced three to four million Mexican farmers alone by allowing American agribusiness to go down there, build up their monstrosity, you know, industrial farming complexes, able to oversupply the market because of economy scales with...

01:10:20.000 I think?

01:10:38.000 And that's why they've become more violent and more violent trying to defend their smaller market share and turf in these places.

01:10:45.000 So we've created the circumstances down there.

01:10:48.000 And anyone who says we shouldn't take a kid who travels that far through the desert on their own, they're the people you want.

01:10:55.000 And we're not talking big numbers.

01:10:57.000 We're talking 40,000.

01:10:58.000 We've got a population of 350 million.

01:11:01.000 If we can't take 40,000 kids who bust their nut to get across this...

01:11:05.000 In, you know, inhospitable terrain to make it in this country, well, give me them any day over, somebody, you know, somewhat Confederate in the Deep South.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, you know, we're going to take America back.

01:11:17.000 The South's going to rise again.

01:11:19.000 The South's going to rise again.

01:11:22.000 It's amazing, too, that they, you know, that Confederate flag thing, that's a fascinating one.

01:11:27.000 The Confederate flag was representative of so many things to them, and, you know, his pride, Southern pride, and all these different things.

01:11:34.000 Maybe you guys should come up with a new flag.

01:11:36.000 Maybe come up with one that doesn't have a swastika on it. 0.98

01:11:40.000 That's essentially what it's like for black people. 0.63

01:11:42.000 That's what I like it so much. 0.97

01:11:43.000 Could you imagine driving around if somehow or another you find yourself in the Deep South and you're a black person.

01:11:50.000 You're driving around and you see these rebel flags everywhere.

01:11:52.000 You would think of that a lot like a Jew would look at a swastika. 0.56

01:11:56.000 I understand that the swastika meant a lot more than that.

01:12:00.000 And at one point in time it was actually like a symbol of prosperity and The swastika, at one point in time, it was like this ancient symbol.

01:12:10.000 Maybe it was reversed, but it was used in certain types of martial arts.

01:12:15.000 It was like old versions of karate.

01:12:17.000 They had these swastikas.

01:12:19.000 There's a Hindu temple that's near my house that I visited, and they have a big sign up explaining why there's swastikas everywhere.

01:12:29.000 Well, we lived in Bali, Indonesia for a decade, and when you drive around Bali, you see all these Hindu temples everywhere with a swastika, but it's actually in reverse. 0.61

01:12:38.000 Right.

01:12:40.000 But yeah, I mean, everything is...

01:12:42.000 Mythologies are always borrowed, and ideologies are always borrowed from elsewhere, and yeah... 0.99

01:12:48.000 Yeah, it's fascinating that they cling to that goddamn flag. 0.99

01:12:52.000 I get you like being from the South. 1.00

01:12:55.000 That's cool.

01:12:56.000 The South has never gotten over losing the Civil War.

01:13:00.000 They're the worst runners-up in the history of sports.

01:13:05.000 They'll never get over.

01:13:06.000 If you look at the Republican Party today, because the Republican Party is so monolithic, such as a monolithic control of the South, That affords the Southern representation of the Republican Party of the most senior positions.

01:13:20.000 You know, Eric Cantor is from Virginia.

01:13:22.000 You know, Marco Rubio, you know, Mitch McConnell, you go down the line.

01:13:27.000 They're all Southerners.

01:13:28.000 And, you know, the whole policy of blocking Obama is built around obstruction, nullification, and, you know, and that drives, you know, the thrust and parry of who they are as far as a reactionary party.

01:13:43.000 It's also something that unites them, you know, unites them in this group that they have, you know.

01:13:48.000 Well, Southern pride.

01:13:50.000 I'm a Southern boy.

01:13:51.000 You Southern boy?

01:13:51.000 I'm a Southern boy as well.

01:13:52.000 You know, this group, their own version of skull and bones, you know.

01:13:57.000 Yeah, and when they say take your country back, well, to where?

01:14:00.000 I'll leave a say to the pre-Civil War days, but I won't say that in public.

01:14:04.000 But then what they want to take America back to is the 50s.

01:14:07.000 That's their idea of the ideal America.

01:14:09.000 But that was the era of big federal government with the FDR's New Deal and so forth.

01:14:13.000 And that's when they had it good, when liberalism was on the march in America.

01:14:16.000 Isn't that something that people always do, though?

01:14:19.000 Don't they always long for some day a long time ago when things made sense?

01:14:25.000 Nostalgia.

01:14:26.000 Yeah, they have this nostalgia for the archaic.

01:14:28.000 It's very common, right?

01:14:31.000 Yeah.

01:14:31.000 And oftentimes, ridiculously so.

01:14:34.000 I used to date this girl. 0.99

01:14:36.000 She used to talk about high school, about this amazing high school.

01:14:39.000 High school was amazing.

01:14:40.000 We were all young and free. 1.00

01:14:42.000 I'm like, bitch, you had zits. 1.00

01:14:44.000 Everybody was mad at everybody. 1.00

01:14:45.000 Like, come on.

01:14:47.000 You tell me 15 different stories.

01:14:48.000 You got finger-banged once and everybody got told to school about it.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, you didn't have bills back then.

01:14:53.000 Must have been awesome.

01:14:54.000 Come on.

01:14:54.000 You were living with your mom.

01:14:55.000 Like, it fucking sucked. 1.00

01:14:56.000 Get out of here. 1.00

01:14:58.000 You can't think like that.

01:14:59.000 Enjoy this moment.

01:15:01.000 This moment is the best moment human beings have ever achieved.

01:15:04.000 I believe right now this is the greatest time to be alive the world has ever known. 0.96

01:15:08.000 Yeah, it's fraught with peril and all fucked up and economically...

01:15:12.000 Completely out of whack, but I still think this is the best time ever because information is being exchanged at a freer pace. 0.94

01:15:20.000 It's being exchanged at a faster pace.

01:15:22.000 It's being exchanged amongst people that have never been able to communicate before by translation software, by just the fact that you have this internet that's allowing people to send messages and exchange information and ideas and communicate back and forth and influence each other in a way that's never been available before.

01:15:39.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 I think a lot of this resistance that you're getting from this conservative party is this battening down the hatches and trying to avoid this inevitable change.

01:16:08.000 And I think this change, a lot of it comes from that, from this exchange of information, from understanding each other better.

01:16:16.000 Well, I think we're seeing the death throes of that white minority politics in America. 1.00

01:16:20.000 And what we're going to see more dangerously is America, you know, it's the browning of America by the year 2050. Browning? 1.00

01:16:27.000 Yeah, by the year 2050. Fear of a black planet?

01:16:30.000 Is that what you're saying? 1.00

01:16:31.000 Talking some Chuck D type shit here, man. 1.00

01:16:34.000 The browning. 1.00

01:16:35.000 Can you say browning?

01:16:35.000 You allowed to say browning?

01:16:36.000 I think so.

01:16:37.000 You can't say colored people, but you allowed to say brownies?

01:16:40.000 I don't say brownies. 0.99

01:16:42.000 Brownies. 0.98

01:16:42.000 Why is it brownie bad, but blacks... 0.98

01:16:44.000 No, that's not a bad thing. 0.98

01:16:45.000 You can't say blacks.

01:16:46.000 Have you noticed that? 0.99

01:16:47.000 The blacks. 0.99

01:16:49.000 You can say black people, but you can't say the blacks. 0.98

01:16:51.000 I'm Australian.

01:16:51.000 I don't know what I'm allowed to say.

01:16:54.000 I don't know either.

01:16:55.000 It changes all the time.

01:16:57.000 The browning of America by 2050, the whites will be a minority in this country. 0.99

01:17:01.000 In 2012, actually, that was the first year where white babies were outnumbered by black and brown babies.

01:17:10.000 As we become browner, This white minority politic, this reactionary movement is going to become more aggressive, more frustrated because they don't feel like they have representation.

01:17:21.000 And where terrorism starts, terrorism is a reactionary response to political weakness or political impotency.

01:17:31.000 And we saw the shooters in Las Vegas, those two white extremists who shot those two police officers and the Walmart worker.

01:17:38.000 If you read their manifesto, that's what the Tea Party manifesto...

01:17:42.000 Which guys are these?

01:17:42.000 Is this a recent thing?

01:17:43.000 Yeah, four weeks ago, six weeks ago, they walked into a pizzeria, shot two cops to death.

01:17:49.000 In Vegas?

01:17:50.000 Yeah, in Vegas.

01:17:50.000 They had their Batman and Robin masks on, and then they shot themselves.

01:17:54.000 I didn't even hear about this one.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, really, yeah.

01:17:56.000 No, it was national news. 1.00

01:17:58.000 There's too many of those goddamn things. 0.99

01:17:59.000 You're watching too much of that wrestling stuff. 0.99

01:18:01.000 That's what it is.

01:18:02.000 Too much of that wrestling stuff.

01:18:05.000 I didn't even hear about that one.

01:18:07.000 But what was their manifesto?

01:18:08.000 Well, their manifesto was basically that, you know, whites are losing, white Christians are losing representation.

01:18:15.000 America's been taken over by brown liberals, progressive feminists, and so forth. 1.00

01:18:19.000 So we're going to dress like Batman and shoot! 1.00

01:18:22.000 White folks. 1.00

01:18:22.000 Yeah, we're going to take it out on cops and a Walmart worker and end up shooting themselves. 1.00

01:18:27.000 But we're going to see more and more of this.

01:18:29.000 And actually, the New York Times had a great piece on it, the rise of hate or the data of hate.

01:18:33.000 And the explosion of right-wing militia groups in this country is threatening.

01:18:38.000 And the more they feel that they're the minority, and the more they start losing national elections.

01:18:43.000 Let's face it, the Republican Party is not going to win a presidential election for the next 20 years.

01:18:47.000 In every demographic in America, the Democrats are gaining market share.

01:18:57.000 In every demographic in America which is shrinking, the Republicans are gaining market share.

01:19:02.000 So they're not going to win present elections, and that's why they focus on gerrymandering these districts, voter suppression, so trying to win at the state level.

01:19:09.000 Is there a benefit other than socially?

01:19:12.000 I do believe there's a social benefit to having liberals in office.

01:19:16.000 One thing that I think that Obama has done, I think there's a social benefit to having a guy like that in office.

01:19:24.000 Well, there's a social benefit.

01:19:26.000 Well, look, I'm critical of Obama because he's governed like a Clinton.

01:19:31.000 He hasn't governed as a liberal at all.

01:19:33.000 Name a liberal policy he's implemented.

01:19:35.000 Obamacare, that was far from a liberal policy.

01:19:38.000 A liberal policy, when they had unilateral control of the Senate and Congress, should have been universal health care.

01:19:44.000 But he didn't even fight for universal health care, even though he campaigned for it.

01:19:47.000 I would argue we haven't had a liberal president since Nixon.

01:19:51.000 And Nixon didn't implement liberal policies because he was liberal or had a conscience or was moral.

01:19:59.000 He was the last US president to be scared by liberals.

01:20:02.000 And there's a great story with Nixon when he's at the height of the anti-war movement and he's in the Oval Office and he has Henry Kissinger standing next to him.

01:20:10.000 I think?

01:20:26.000 And that's what you want the White House to feel like.

01:20:29.000 You want the White House to feel like they're afraid of the people.

01:20:32.000 You want politics and politicians in Washington to feel like they're afraid.

01:20:36.000 And the problem is they're not afraid of the liberal class anymore.

01:20:38.000 Liberal class is dead.

01:20:39.000 And to underscore that point is the popularity of Hillary Clinton.

01:20:42.000 Hillary Clinton's just a brand. 1.00

01:20:45.000 She stands for nothing.

01:20:46.000 In 2008, she ran on no platform other than she was Hillary Clinton. 0.98

01:20:50.000 She's going to run on the same platform because they believe they're not going to be against a once-in-a-lifetime candidate like they had in Barack Obama.

01:20:57.000 So she's not going to stand for progressive liberalism.

01:20:59.000 Liberalism, there's no such thing in liberalism in America.

01:21:02.000 There's no one fighting for universal health care.

01:21:04.000 There's no one fighting for free education or anything like that or higher taxes on corporations than the rich.

01:21:09.000 I mean, this is...

01:21:10.000 We live in an area where conservative politics trumps.

01:21:13.000 Is there also a bottleneck in the two-party system, which is essentially what we have?

01:21:18.000 You could say that there's a Green Party, you could say that there's a Libertarian Party, all you want, but the reality is they don't get included into the debates as soon as the debates get heavy.

01:21:27.000 What they did to marginalize Ron Paul, who is a Republican, shows you what they do to anybody who doesn't play ball.

01:21:34.000 I mean, what you saw, you would see him placing in polls like second and third and they would ignore him and concentrate on who was fourth and fifth.

01:21:42.000 I mean, that was what they did in the media to marginalize that guy, effectively to do so.

01:21:48.000 Isn't that the bottleneck?

01:21:50.000 The bottleneck is that corporations are sponsoring these people.

01:21:53.000 Corporations are sponsoring their campaigns, paying for their campaigns.

01:21:57.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 Massive donations.

01:21:59.000 And then they have this agenda once they get into place to help these corporations that paid for them to get in there in the first place.

01:22:07.000 Is that...?

01:22:07.000 That's the problem.

01:22:08.000 You've hit the nail on the head.

01:22:09.000 And the problem is...

01:22:10.000 I don't see the problem as being the two-party system.

01:22:12.000 I mean, in most Western democracies, you have a two-party system.

01:22:15.000 Australia, the UK, and so forth.

01:22:18.000 The problem is, but in Australia and the UK, you have public financing of elections.

01:22:23.000 Here, it's the opposite.

01:22:24.000 So our voices don't get heard.

01:22:28.000 Politicians don't come out to visit you and I. They come and visit and do these $30,000 per plate dinners, and they listen to the 50-odd thousand lobbyists which are in Washington and are paying their campaign finance.

01:22:38.000 You know, there was 32,000, only a mere 32,000 donors in the 2012 elections represented more than 99% of all political donations in that campaign cycle.

01:22:51.000 So 0.01% of the population is donating 99% of the campaign finance studies to political parties.

01:22:59.000 Until you get rid of that, you're going to have two political parties which represent the interests of corporations and not of the working or the middle class.

01:23:07.000 Those numbers are crazy.

01:23:08.000 Stop and think about that.

01:23:10.000 I mean, everybody's fixated on the 1% in this country.

01:23:13.000 The 1%. 0.99

01:23:13.000 The 0.01%. 0.99

01:23:15.000 That's madness.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 That's madness.

01:23:18.000 Yeah.

01:23:18.000 All the money's coming from them.

01:23:20.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 That's it.

01:23:21.000 I mean, so our $50 donation, who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:23:24.000 Is there anybody that you see on the horizon? 0.99

01:23:26.000 Is there any movement, any humans that you see that are really trying to implement some sort of a change that you think have a chance?

01:23:35.000 Two.

01:23:35.000 Well, two, but only one has a chance.

01:23:38.000 Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

01:23:40.000 If Elizabeth Warren runs, she beats Hillary. 1.00

01:23:46.000 And I'll tell you why.

01:23:48.000 In 2008, it was a referendum on Iraq.

01:23:52.000 Hillary Clinton.

01:23:53.000 If Hillary Clinton had not voted for Iraq, she would have been the nominee and she would be the president right now. 0.99

01:23:58.000 The referendum and the Democratic primary selection in this cycle will be income inequality.

01:24:04.000 On that, she will lose to Elizabeth Warren because of her associations to Wall Street, her husband's record in not being a progressive.

01:24:13.000 Elizabeth Warren is a champion for the middle class, a champion for the working class. 0.86

01:24:17.000 She wants to dismantle Wall Street. 1.00

01:24:19.000 She wants to dismantle these financial debt products which have wreaked havoc on the American population. 1.00

01:24:25.000 And these laws and regulations haven't been changed since we had the crash in 08. We now stand on the precipice of repeating what happened on 08. Nothing has changed.

01:24:33.000 And she wants to fight for these causes which will, you know, end the rigging of the game, so to speak. 0.94

01:24:40.000 Bernie Sanders, I like him as well, but he has no chance in a national electorate.

01:24:43.000 Elizabeth Warren could win the DNC nomination and also become president. 0.93

01:24:47.000 Why does Bernie Sanders have no chance?

01:24:48.000 And how do you think a woman's going to be president? 1.00

01:24:50.000 Well, because, number one, Democrats yearn for a historic candidate, a woman. 0.99

01:24:57.000 They tried a black guy.

01:24:59.000 Didn't work out so well. 0.97

01:25:00.000 Let's go with a chick. 1.00

01:25:01.000 So we want another piece of historic moment. 1.00

01:25:05.000 All the white men are all fucking around their wives and shit. 1.00

01:25:08.000 I want to catch those bitches as soon as they run for president. 1.00

01:25:12.000 They're all wienering. 0.99

01:25:15.000 Yeah, and Sanders, well, Sanders is too much of an open-shirted socialist, identifies him as socialist, and so I think the media and the Republican Party will be too easy for them to slay him with the S-word, whereas Elizabeth Warren has never mentioned the S-word and is more of a populist Than a socialist.

01:25:36.000 The S-word.

01:25:37.000 The S-word, is that unsurmountable?

01:25:40.000 I mean, is it possible that what you were talking about before, that if you look at what's happening in Europe and you look at the benefits of socialism as far as Canada and some other countries, Australia, socialized medicine, socialized education, is it possible that that can be discussed in some sort of a way that's not going to knee-jerk turn people off in America?

01:26:02.000 Well, the problem is that you have a failed media class because the media class won't report the facts.

01:26:08.000 The media class, you know, a Republican gets on TV and says there's no such thing as gravity.

01:26:13.000 Then CNN says, well, we need to get a Democrat to speak on it.

01:26:16.000 A Democrat says gravity is real.

01:26:18.000 CNN says, look, Democrats and Republicans are fighting again.

01:26:22.000 So you'll never have an honest, fact-based argument, and you'll never have the facts which are discussed.

01:26:27.000 Social democracies work.

01:26:29.000 Germany and these Western European countries have far less income inequality than we do.

01:26:36.000 They also have happier people than we do.

01:26:38.000 On their World Happiness Index, the top 15 countries are all social democracies.

01:26:43.000 America is the richest country on the planet but rates 17th on the World Happiness Index.

01:26:48.000 We rank behind Mexico. 1.00

01:26:50.000 So it won't be long before they build a wall down there to keep us out.

01:26:53.000 But that doesn't even make any sense.

01:26:54.000 If all the Mexicans are trying to get over here, but we're not as happy as them, that doesn't make any sense. 1.00

01:26:59.000 What's the World Happiness Index?

01:27:01.000 And how does that even...

01:27:02.000 No one's talked to me.

01:27:03.000 Nobody interviewed me and asked me.

01:27:06.000 I'm not buying it.

01:27:07.000 You look pretty happy.

01:27:08.000 I'm a very happy person.

01:27:09.000 I don't get it.

01:27:10.000 Yeah.

01:27:11.000 Well, the World Happiness Index is measured on some metrics such as pollution, access to healthcare, access to education, gender equality, income inequality, pollution, crime rates, teen pregnancy, and so forth.

01:27:26.000 And Mexico is better than America? 0.93

01:27:28.000 Yeah, we rank behind Mexico in the world.

01:27:30.000 Someone is not doing a good job in America because most of the places that I see look a lot better than the places in Mexico. 0.99

01:27:36.000 That shit doesn't make any sense. 0.99

01:27:38.000 Man, you were in Woodland Hills here for a ride. 1.00

01:27:41.000 Canoga Park, specifically.

01:27:43.000 Canoga Park.

01:27:43.000 But I don't think there's any way that you can qualify a whole nation like that, though.

01:27:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:50.000 I don't think there's any way that you can say, hey, this is a happier country.

01:27:56.000 Because you start statistic mining in that way.

01:28:01.000 America's the least happy, the least this.

01:28:03.000 But we're also the most innovative.

01:28:04.000 We create more things.

01:28:05.000 We have more art, more music, more pop culture, more comedy, more movies. 0.94

01:28:10.000 So many things come out of America because of this turmoil and this crazy, fucked up sort of a way we live.

01:28:15.000 It also lends itself to creativity. 0.72

01:28:17.000 It lends itself to the distribution of media. 0.99

01:28:22.000 We have more shit that comes out of here, good or bad. 0.98

01:28:26.000 I'm not saying that all of it's great, but a lot of influence comes out of this one spot. 0.99

01:28:31.000 Absolutely.

01:28:32.000 I mean, whenever I speak, I try not to come across as the...

01:28:36.000 The typical American basher.

01:28:38.000 Too late!

01:28:39.000 Too late!

01:28:40.000 This is why Piers Morgan lost his job. 1.00

01:28:42.000 Oh, that guy was a shit. 1.00

01:28:43.000 That's why he lost his job. 1.00

01:28:45.000 He should have never got that job in the first place. 1.00

01:28:47.000 He was involved in fucking tapping into people's phones, asshole. 1.00

01:28:52.000 Too true. 1.00

01:28:52.000 I was upping for that so many times and I went to get noticed. 1.00

01:28:56.000 Look, I'm obsessed with America and always have been.

01:29:00.000 My friends in high school would...

01:29:02.000 Always criticized me for being a wannabe American.

01:29:05.000 The reason I moved here is because I am in love of America.

01:29:07.000 And who loves America more than an immigrant who wants to come here and help make things better?

01:29:13.000 I still believe in America.

01:29:14.000 But we're doing things the wrong way.

01:29:16.000 Are you a citizen?

01:29:17.000 No, I'm still a resident. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Oh, I'm talking shit. 1.00

01:29:20.000 You're not even one of us. 1.00

01:29:21.000 I can't vote yet.

01:29:22.000 You can't even vote.

01:29:23.000 So if you become a citizen, you can vote, but you'll never be able to be president.

01:29:28.000 Okay.

01:29:28.000 I can be governor of California.

01:29:30.000 Isn't that weird?

01:29:31.000 Yeah.

01:29:32.000 That's weird.

01:29:32.000 I'm sorry.

01:29:33.000 This idea is based on the notion that someone is going to be groomed by Al-Qaeda to come over here and be one of them white-skinned terrorists.

01:29:43.000 And me living in the world's most populous Muslim country for 10 years won't help my resume either when I run for office.

01:29:50.000 At all, right?

01:29:50.000 Manchurian candidate.

01:29:52.000 Jesus Christ, you probably don't even know you're a commie. 1.00

01:29:54.000 You probably don't even know you're over here to fuck up our freedom. 1.00

01:29:58.000 Yeah, there's a red in the bed. 0.99

01:29:59.000 Jesus Christ.

01:30:00.000 You don't even know, man.

01:30:02.000 I'm a sleeper cell.

01:30:03.000 Why is it that America produces so much, like, as far as creativity, so much innovation, so much technological innovation, so much creativity, so many good things come out of this place as well?

01:30:14.000 Oh, well, you know, America's a great country.

01:30:16.000 I think, you know, the U.S. has produced a litany of good things.

01:30:20.000 Its contribution to the world culturally is, you know...

01:30:23.000 You can't argue against it.

01:30:25.000 But my point is that it benefits so few.

01:30:29.000 And if you look at the new economy, inverted economy, as far as the technology, you know, these Facebook producers and these, you know, what was that?

01:30:40.000 WhatsApp just sold for how many billions of dollars?

01:30:42.000 $15 billion?

01:30:43.000 They've got a workforce of like 25 people.

01:30:46.000 25 people benefit out of the sale of that.

01:30:48.000 So in the things that we're producing now, no longer have any social capital.

01:30:54.000 We're not producing great products which can be exported to the world.

01:30:58.000 Our technology has been bought out by the military industrial complex.

01:31:02.000 Most of the R&D and technological research done in this country is to the benefit of figuring out how we can kill people better, you know, in other countries.

01:31:10.000 Is that really true?

01:31:11.000 Yeah, it is absolutely true.

01:31:12.000 How much of it is done on electric cars?

01:31:14.000 How much of it is done on electronics and cell phones?

01:31:18.000 Well, look at the electric car, and that's a great point.

01:31:20.000 I mean, Tesla, you see plenty of them around in these rich white neighborhoods, and certainly where I'm from in Laguna Beach, you see a ton of them.

01:31:27.000 They're the new Toyota. 1.00

01:31:28.000 You fucked up. 1.00

01:31:28.000 You said where you're from. 1.00

01:31:29.000 I know.

01:31:30.000 I never tell people where I'm from. 0.99

01:31:32.000 God damn it. 0.99

01:31:33.000 I said Newport Beach. 1.00

01:31:34.000 No, you didn't. 1.00

01:31:36.000 You fucked up. 1.00

01:31:37.000 Can we edit this? 1.00

01:31:38.000 Nope.

01:31:39.000 Too late.

01:31:39.000 It's live.

01:31:40.000 It's live.

01:31:41.000 Is this really live?

01:31:42.000 Yeah, it's really live. 1.00

01:31:43.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:31:44.000 I said Maguna Beach. 1.00

01:31:45.000 No, you didn't.

01:31:47.000 Can't deny it.

01:31:49.000 You gave up two things. 1.00

01:31:50.000 Canoga Park and Laguna Beach were fucked. 1.00

01:31:52.000 Oh my god. 0.99

01:31:54.000 I'm going to be hearing Al-Akbar, but in the conservative way.

01:31:58.000 So we look at the opposition Tesla.

01:32:00.000 I mean, if it wasn't for big oil, we'd have the electric car years ago.

01:32:04.000 And Elon Musk has spoken at great length of the opposition he's faced in bringing the electric car to market.

01:32:12.000 So, yeah, we're producing great things, but, you know, the corporate totalitarian state, big oil, and these kind of interests will always trump.

01:32:19.000 Look what's happening.

01:32:20.000 Look at all these states which have posed Tesla.

01:32:23.000 You know, New Jersey, for example.

01:32:25.000 Yeah, look at Chris Christie, man.

01:32:27.000 Texas, you know.

01:32:28.000 What is that guy all about?

01:32:30.000 Chris Christie is...

01:32:32.000 Donnie Moore, he's getting slim and ready for 2016. They're going to fucking wheel him out there as a cannon fodder. 0.99

01:32:41.000 Yeah, what do you call those motor-alizer two-wheel things? 1.00

01:32:44.000 Guy's such a goofball. 0.95

01:32:46.000 He's done. 0.98

01:32:47.000 He doesn't have to worry about Christie anymore.

01:32:48.000 He's not a candidate.

01:32:50.000 He's not?

01:32:50.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:51.000 He's given up?

01:32:52.000 Well, he hasn't given up, but all the big money has moved away from him, because politically he's dead in water.

01:32:56.000 Because these lawsuits are going to follow him well into the 2016 election cycle.

01:33:00.000 With the bridge?

01:33:01.000 Yeah.

01:33:01.000 Is that just the bridge thing, or is it other things as well?

01:33:04.000 It's the bridge thing, but it's the whole culture of intimidation, that whole New Jersey Soprano-like atmosphere which turns off women and independent and minority voters, so... 0.97

01:33:14.000 Plus, he's fat. 0.96

01:33:17.000 Did we mention that already? 0.96

01:33:18.000 Yeah, fat acceptance, people. 0.99

01:33:20.000 Step aside, because you're being silly, okay? 0.99

01:33:23.000 I don't accept smokers either. 1.00

01:33:26.000 Smoking acceptance, I think, is equally stupid. 1.00

01:33:29.000 Those are dumb habits. 1.00

01:33:31.000 So is being morbidly obese. 1.00

01:33:32.000 It's a dumb thing to do. 0.98

01:33:34.000 Well, I've got no problem with being morbidly obese if you're poor, because the poor in this country can't afford to be skinny. 0.99

01:33:38.000 But if you're rich and white like Christy is, well, you've got no excuse of being a fatty. 0.93

01:33:42.000 That is true to a certain extent, but still, it means overeating.

01:33:46.000 That is a personal choice, even if you're poor.

01:33:48.000 If you're getting bad food, that's one thing.

01:33:50.000 Bad nutrition is another thing, but the overabundance of this bad nutrition is just simply gluttony.

01:33:56.000 Man, look, if you're a family of four and you've got husband and wife on a minimum wage, let's call it, you're netting $400 a week, you've still got to pay rent, you've still got to pay the car, you can either go to Trader Joe's and buy a $15 pun of broccoli and some potatoes, or you go to Wendy's and you feed the whole family for four.

01:34:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:15.000 That is fucked. 1.00

01:34:16.000 But the reason they're fat is not because they're barely getting by with that food. 1.00

01:34:20.000 It's because they're eating more of it than they need to.

01:34:22.000 It sucks that they're getting bad food, for sure.

01:34:25.000 It sucks that it's so expensive to eat healthy. 0.85

01:34:28.000 Those are absolutes.

01:34:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:30.000 Hey, I am with you. 0.81

01:34:31.000 I'm a fattest like you are. 0.99

01:34:32.000 I'm a fattest. 0.97

01:34:33.000 I'm sorry. 0.97

01:34:34.000 Sorry, fat people. 1.00

01:34:35.000 I have really good friends that are fat as fuck. 1.00

01:34:38.000 It's not that I hate. 1.00

01:34:40.000 It's just that there is a certain reality to being morbidly obese that I don't think you're helping people with this idea, this notion of fat acceptance.

01:34:48.000 And I think this is the broad end of the spectrum when it comes to these New ideas that I think, where people are becoming more progressive and more sensitive and more open-minded, I think there's great things to that.

01:35:01.000 But I think there's also things like fat acceptance, where it gets to a point where, like, listen, stop.

01:35:07.000 I got in trouble on Twitter a couple of years ago for tweeting, I'm the Rosa Park of not giving up my seat on the bus for fat people.

01:35:18.000 You got in trouble for that?

01:35:19.000 I don't know why.

01:35:20.000 Was a fat person trying to take your seat on a bus?

01:35:22.000 Did that really happen?

01:35:24.000 No, it didn't really happen.

01:35:26.000 So you just gave it up? 1.00

01:35:27.000 You're just fucking around, being mean to fat people? 1.00

01:35:29.000 Yeah, I was just being an asshole. 1.00

01:35:30.000 Listen, that feeling of shame, this idea of fat shaming, people don't like that, but that feeling of shame, the negative feeling, is a feeling of social failure. 1.00

01:35:39.000 And that feeling of social failure, that ostracized feeling...

01:35:42.000 The only benefit of that, it's not good to be cruel, but the only benefit of that to the person who receives it is that it will motivate them to lose weight.

01:35:51.000 That's just a fact.

01:35:53.000 And fat acceptance, that means you're happy the way you are, you're good the way you are. 0.94

01:35:56.000 No, you're going to die quick. 1.00

01:35:57.000 Your fucking heart is pumping through sludge. 1.00

01:36:00.000 You need to eat some vegetables, you fuck. 1.00

01:36:03.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:36:04.000 You've never masturbated over Khloe Kardashian? 0.54

01:36:07.000 Is Khloe Kardashian the big one? 0.98

01:36:09.000 But she's barely big.

01:36:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:11.000 If you talk about...

01:36:11.000 That's not fat.

01:36:12.000 I don't call her fat.

01:36:13.000 She's going to be a big girl.

01:36:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:15.000 But, you know, who's that woman who's the McCarthy girl who's on all those movies now?

01:36:19.000 Jenny.

01:36:19.000 No, no.

01:36:20.000 Jenny's the hot one. 0.99

01:36:21.000 Melissa.

01:36:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:23.000 Melissa McCarthy.

01:36:23.000 She's the enormous one that everybody loves.

01:36:25.000 She's America!

01:36:25.000 Look at her!

01:36:26.000 She's all chubby and everything, but all friendly and wacky. 0.99

01:36:30.000 Poor gal. 1.00

01:36:31.000 She's going to fucking die. 1.00

01:36:32.000 Her heart is not going to keep beating if you do that. 1.00

01:36:36.000 It's not going to last.

01:36:37.000 Those really big fat ones, they never hit 60. They just don't.

01:36:40.000 They never make it.

01:36:41.000 Don't have a heart attack in Disneyland Isle.

01:36:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:36:44.000 With a churro in each hand.

01:36:46.000 Two fisting. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Fucking with one of those hats on. 1.00

01:36:49.000 A soda. 1.00

01:36:51.000 Or a backpack.

01:36:52.000 Like one of those camel backpacks. 1.00

01:36:54.000 A freedom. 1.00

01:36:54.000 With fucking mountain doing it. 1.00

01:36:56.000 Yeah, look, there's a lot of bad things to the American diet. 1.00

01:37:01.000 That's for fuck sure. 0.99

01:37:02.000 And a lot of it is... 0.99

01:37:03.000 Did you ever watch that documentary, King Corn?

01:37:05.000 No. 1.00

01:37:06.000 Goddamn. 1.00

01:37:07.000 Amazing. 0.99

01:37:09.000 The depth that the corn industry and the corn lobby and the corn...

01:37:14.000 There's these people that have grown corn and...

01:37:16.000 That this subsidization...

01:37:18.000 Subsidization?

01:37:19.000 Is that a word?

01:37:19.000 Subsidizing by the American government.

01:37:22.000 The corn and corn syrup.

01:37:26.000 How much of this is involved in our food and our diet?

01:37:29.000 It's amazing.

01:37:31.000 It's in our bread. 0.99

01:37:32.000 They have corn syrup in people's fucking sodas and their this and their that. 0.99

01:37:37.000 There was a thing about... 1.00

01:37:39.000 It was a lawsuit about Mexico...

01:37:43.000 I'm trying to force out corn syrup, because they were trying to force them to use corn syrup in their production of Coca-Cola, and so they resisted it, and then they were sued. 0.99

01:37:54.000 The whole thing is just, corn is a wacky fucking plant, man. 0.96

01:37:58.000 Well, I mean, it's so pervasive, because it's no coincidence that Iowa is the first stop on the... 0.99

01:38:04.000 Both parties' nomination process, that's where they spend all the time, you know, carpetbagging. 0.99

01:38:11.000 Yeah, isn't that crazy?

01:38:11.000 No coincidence whatsoever.

01:38:12.000 Yeah.

01:38:13.000 But for anybody who wants, I mean, I'm not going to go into depth about it because we've talked about this before, but please watch the documentary King Corn if you get a chance.

01:38:20.000 Food Inc.

01:38:21.000 is another good one.

01:38:22.000 That's a scary one.

01:38:24.000 That'll shy you away from fast food.

01:38:27.000 I've taken a lot of heat about this subject of minimum wage by a bunch of people that think that folks who work in fast food or folks who work in entry-level jobs should not get paid $15 an hour.

01:38:38.000 That's the number that I always throw around.

01:38:40.000 I'm like, you can't live off of less than $15 an hour, man.

01:38:43.000 You just can't.

01:38:44.000 $15 an hour, you can pay your rent, you can get something to eat, and it's still not a lot of money.

01:38:48.000 And if you run a company that can't afford to pay your workers $15 an hour, it means you're making too much.

01:38:53.000 Either you personally are making too much money, you're not giving the workers enough, Or something's happening.

01:38:58.000 You're not profitable.

01:38:59.000 You need less workers.

01:39:01.000 Your system is not efficient.

01:39:04.000 There's got to be some way that you can pay.

01:39:06.000 If someone works for you all day and they get paid less than a survival wage, you essentially have slaves.

01:39:13.000 Well, this is what the problem is, and I keep coming back to this point.

01:39:16.000 In America, we have socialism for the corporations, but we have capitalism for the rest of us.

01:39:21.000 So, you take Walmart or Bank of America, they pay their workers so little that we have to subsidize them with food assistance, housing assistance, and so forth.

01:39:30.000 Every Walmart, the four Walmart heirs own more than the combined bottom 42% of Americans.

01:39:37.000 Yet, are allowed to pay their workers so little that the average taxpayer, the average Walmart employee costs the average taxpayer in this country $1,300 per year in Texas. 0.91

01:39:47.000 So you and I are funding the workforce for a ridiculously fucking wealthy bunch of individuals that can afford to pay their employees more. 0.93

01:39:56.000 That's incredible. 0.97

01:39:57.000 So that's socialism for them, and capitalism for the rest of us, and that's...

01:40:01.000 Hit me with those numbers again.

01:40:02.000 The most wealthy people of Walmart.

01:40:05.000 And they inherited their wealth.

01:40:07.000 They did not build that. 1.00

01:40:09.000 Motherfuckers, they did not build that. 1.00

01:40:11.000 They did not build that. 1.00

01:40:12.000 So the four Walmart heirs own more than the bottom 42% combined in this country.

01:40:18.000 The four Walmart heirs, four people, earn more money per year than the bottom 42% of the entire country?

01:40:27.000 Yep.

01:40:28.000 And Google it.

01:40:29.000 I can't.

01:40:30.000 I'll throw up on my keyboard.

01:40:32.000 That's incredible.

01:40:34.000 Yeah.

01:40:34.000 That's it.

01:40:35.000 So all we have to do is kidnap the four Walmart heirs, take all of their money, redistribute it to the bottom 42%.

01:40:43.000 We've essentially cured poverty.

01:40:44.000 You and I. With four people.

01:40:46.000 High five.

01:40:46.000 That's a new Melissa McCarthy movie.

01:40:48.000 Melissa McCarthy, she fucking gets a mouthful of donuts, she gets a good sugar rush, and she runs out and kidnaps the wall, and she lets them see the errors of their ways. 1.00

01:40:56.000 And they wind up working, and at the end of the movie, they're happy, and they're working in Costa Rica, fucking saving people from hurricanes or some shit. 0.99

01:41:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:41:05.000 That's a crazy statistic.

01:41:06.000 And with all that wealth, you and I are paying each $1,300 per year to Walmart to subsidize their workforce.

01:41:13.000 Four people?

01:41:14.000 Mm-hmm.

01:41:14.000 That's incredible.

01:41:15.000 Yep.

01:41:16.000 Yeah.

01:41:16.000 That's incredible.

01:41:17.000 Well, the Koch brothers combined, the two Koch brothers own more than that.

01:41:21.000 I think you'll have them Google it, but it's around about the bottom 50%.

01:41:24.000 Two guys own more than the bottom 50% of this country.

01:41:27.000 Okay, so we got an issue.

01:41:28.000 We got six people.

01:41:29.000 We kidnapped six people.

01:41:30.000 We take their money.

01:41:32.000 You're leaving at the torturing part.

01:41:33.000 But we don't have to torch them. 1.00

01:41:34.000 We just kill them. 1.00

01:41:36.000 I don't mean that. 1.00

01:41:37.000 Don't put me on a list.

01:41:39.000 But if those people, just those people's wealth, the six people, you said 50% and 42%, but that's not combined.

01:41:46.000 No, no, no, not combined.

01:41:47.000 The equal thing.

01:41:48.000 Separate.

01:41:49.000 You've got to separate them.

01:41:50.000 Right, but how does that work then?

01:41:52.000 Because that means the combined 42%, but then you also have the combined 50%. 0.98

01:41:57.000 What the fuck is that? 0.97

01:41:58.000 You can't add them together. 1.00

01:41:59.000 Why can't you add them together?

01:42:00.000 Because you're still working from the same number.

01:42:03.000 So the combined wealth of the Koch brothers is more than the bottom, roughly 50% of the nation, but the combined wealth of the Walmart is, so you're working from a fixed number.

01:42:14.000 If you add them both together, it's not like the six of them own 92%.

01:42:19.000 Right, they don't own 92%, but they own double 42%.

01:42:24.000 Yeah.

01:42:25.000 So what is that?

01:42:26.000 How does it creep it up to 60%?

01:42:28.000 What does it creep it up to?

01:42:29.000 I think I told you at the beginning I'm not an economist. 1.00

01:42:31.000 Well, I'm dumb as fuck, so we're screwed. 1.00

01:42:34.000 Not only am I not an economist, I'm not good at counting shit. 0.99

01:42:37.000 So, if you think about that though, just the fact that the four people from Walmart and the two Koch brothers, just those six people, what is the total money, the total amount of money that those guys have? 0.97

01:42:49.000 Well, the Koch brothers are worth a combined about $55 billion.

01:42:55.000 And most of their money is from speculation, not from hiring people or building stuff.

01:43:01.000 Most of it is from oil speculation. 1.00

01:43:03.000 So stock market shit. 0.99

01:43:04.000 Stock market stuff, which has no social value. 1.00

01:43:06.000 Money fuckery. 1.00

01:43:07.000 Yeah, money fuckery. 1.00

01:43:08.000 That's really what it is, right? 0.99

01:43:10.000 And that's what Paul Krugman said.

01:43:11.000 We're going from a country that made stuff to a country that makes stuff up.

01:43:14.000 You ever hear what Putin said about the United States?

01:43:16.000 It was before the crash.

01:43:17.000 He said, I don't understand the United States economy.

01:43:19.000 It seems that they just buy and sell each other's houses.

01:43:22.000 He was right.

01:43:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:24.000 I mean, it was all before the shit hit the fan. 0.98

01:43:26.000 It's all these wacky financial instruments, you know, moving numbers on a screen. 0.96

01:43:29.000 How can that be fixed, though?

01:43:30.000 I mean, first of all, the only way to fix the Koch brothers' situation is, I mean, there's no way, right?

01:43:37.000 I mean, you would have to...

01:43:38.000 Well, you'd have to end all speculation, but Robert Reich, who speaks about this extensively, is you have a trading tax.

01:43:47.000 At the moment, these guys can trade minor pips, every pip of a screen, to the three decimal places, whether it's on currency, whether it's on gas.

01:43:55.000 When you're moving tens and hundreds of millions of dollars, one pip is a ton of money.

01:44:00.000 But there should be a trading tax on each one of these trades, because this volume of trade, this volume of money benefits society in no measurable mean. 0.99

01:44:08.000 Goddamn, man. 0.98

01:44:09.000 What a weird world we live in when that's real. 0.98

01:44:12.000 These are the numbers that Jamie just threw up here.

01:44:14.000 The collective wealth of the six richest Waltons rose from $73 billion to $90 billion while the wealth of the average American declined from $126,000 to $77,000.

01:44:25.000 13 million Americans have negative net worth.

01:44:27.000 That's a crazy thing.

01:44:29.000 I was exactly right.

01:44:30.000 The six Walmart heads now have more wealth than the bottom 42%.

01:44:33.000 God!

01:44:34.000 I don't just make numbers up.

01:44:35.000 I didn't think you did.

01:44:36.000 I didn't even check.

01:44:38.000 I thought you were telling the truth for sure.

01:44:39.000 There's a recent article that I brought up yesterday's podcast that Michael Shermer wrote in Scientific American that was torn apart about the myth of financial inequality. 0.91

01:44:50.000 It's like one of the dumbest articles I've ever written. 0.98

01:44:52.000 The way I know whether something's dumb is if I think it's dumb. 0.99

01:44:56.000 I can see the logical fallacies in your argument about finance. 0.91

01:45:00.000 But what is that coming from?

01:45:03.000 Everything's fine.

01:45:04.000 This everything's fine thing where people want to sort of manipulate statistics and look at things from sort of a rose-colored glasses point of view.

01:45:11.000 What's that from?

01:45:12.000 What causes people?

01:45:13.000 Because people have no experience to what is happening in America.

01:45:18.000 I live...

01:45:19.000 I'm not going to say the name of the town that I already said that I live in.

01:45:23.000 You live in a nice spot.

01:45:24.000 In a nice spot.

01:45:25.000 And the area I live in is, I'm going to guess, 90% white and moderately wealthy to wealthy.

01:45:34.000 And they have no clue what's happening in these Rust Belt states.

01:45:39.000 You know, through the Northwest, which are particularly the basis of manufacturing.

01:45:43.000 I mean, these are economies which have been absolutely destroyed through globalization.

01:45:48.000 There is no economic recovery.

01:45:50.000 You know, despite, and you spoke with us before, despite the Dow at record highs and despite the unemployment number happening, we're not going to get these jobs back because we now have the Walmart business model is the model that the rest of the corporate world in this country emulates.

01:46:03.000 In the 18th century, it was the Pennsylvania Railroad country.

01:46:08.000 In the 20th century, it was IBM. Today, it's Walmart.

01:46:11.000 So what Walmart does is it makes cities bid against each other to get tax breaks to move.

01:46:17.000 So they can say, hey, we're going to put a store in your place.

01:46:19.000 They get two cities that bid against it.

01:46:21.000 So it becomes a race to the bottom as far as corporate subsidies and welfare.

01:46:25.000 Every time a Walmart store opens, every time Walmart employs a new employee, 1.4 American workers is displaced.

01:46:33.000 Now, their control of the American economy, the retail economy, is so dominant that they have such control over their suppliers.

01:46:40.000 Procurement at Walmart, they demand a 5% reduction of their suppliers every year. 1.00

01:46:46.000 If you can't reduce your costs to Walmart by 5% every year, then we'll fuck off goodbye. 0.97

01:46:52.000 So after about five years of doing this, where you've cut 5%, 5%, eventually Walmart says to their suppliers, well, you need to move to China. 0.97

01:47:01.000 And if you move to China, we'll help you set up.

01:47:03.000 If you don't move to China, we do no business no longer.

01:47:06.000 And that has happened with countless number of companies.

01:47:08.000 Companies like Rubbermaid, a great American company, which had a workforce in the hundreds of thousands of people in the 70s and the 80s.

01:47:15.000 You know, almost no longer exists in that form anymore because they couldn't, you know...

01:47:19.000 Initially, they didn't move to China, but they have now.

01:47:22.000 So there's globalization as free trade.

01:47:24.000 It's not benefiting anyone.

01:47:26.000 And that's the model that we operate under.

01:47:28.000 Is there a way to...

01:47:29.000 First of all, there was a number that you threw out that I got confused about.

01:47:32.000 You said for every time a Walmart opens, 1.4 Americans are misplaced.

01:47:37.000 It's displaced.

01:47:38.000 What is it?

01:47:38.000 1.4?

01:47:39.000 It's one person?

01:47:40.000 So every time Walmart employs a person, 1.4, Americans loses a job elsewhere.

01:47:46.000 Oh, every time they employ one person, 1.4.

01:47:48.000 So for every one person they employ, more than one.

01:47:53.000 That kind of makes sense.

01:47:54.000 And the mom-and-pop store, the death of the mom-and-pop store, has been really criticized, both by people that are against Walmart, but also people that they're saying, you know, why don't you...

01:48:06.000 Shop and vote with your dollar.

01:48:08.000 If you appreciate mom and pop stores and they cost five more dollars when you go in there, just go.

01:48:15.000 Pay them the five more dollars.

01:48:16.000 Do you understand how Walmart is making things so cheap?

01:48:19.000 Do you understand that the people that work there, with the number that you threw around, that for every Walmart worker we pay, what was the amount of money that every person has to pay in tax dollars for $1,300?

01:48:31.000 If those things were just made more clear and people voted with their dollar more, do you think it's possible that something like Walmart can slowly die away?

01:48:39.000 That these monolithic corporations that have this massive control over economies...

01:48:44.000 But Walmart destroys communities to such an extent that people in these communities can only afford to shop at Walmart.

01:48:50.000 It becomes this vicious cycle.

01:48:55.000 Unless you put in policies which regulate trade and protect the working class, protecting the class, you're not going to solve the problem. 0.89

01:49:05.000 And another great sort of hypocrisy is how, for example, the Republican Party presents itself as the party of small business, because it's a nice nostalgic picture that's painted in people's mind.

01:49:17.000 They picture a ma and pa, small business operation, you know, on Main Street in middle America.

01:49:23.000 But name a single policy that the Republican Party have helped small businesses with.

01:49:28.000 Has the Republican Party protected the mar and par operation from these monopolies, these oligopolies?

01:49:34.000 Do they give the same tax breaks that they do, these corporate subsidies that they do to these big organizations to drown the business out?

01:49:40.000 No, they haven't.

01:49:41.000 You know, the Republican Party hasn't looked after small businesses at all in this country.

01:49:46.000 And that's just the way it is.

01:49:47.000 No one's fighting against that.

01:49:49.000 That's not like a big rallying cry of neither the Democrats nor the Republicans.

01:49:53.000 This is not something that anybody's bringing up.

01:49:55.000 No, and that comes to political ignorance, and political ignorance born from either our education system or the fact that the mainstream media only reports titillating issues.

01:50:07.000 We're still talking about flight missing MH370 or Anna Nicole Smith's death.

01:50:12.000 It's a focus on celebrity and trivia rather than on real issues.

01:50:16.000 There's no Walter Cronkite in the news anymore.

01:50:18.000 That is true.

01:50:19.000 There's no real news anymore.

01:50:21.000 There's television programs that highlight, they're entertainment programs that highlight things they think people are going to be interested in.

01:50:27.000 But they don't have a desire for journalism.

01:50:29.000 Well, they don't.

01:50:30.000 And it's corporate controlled media.

01:50:32.000 How many venues on corporate-owned media do you think I'm going to get booked when I talk about the corporate totalitarian state?

01:50:39.000 Not a lot.

01:50:40.000 Your show.

01:50:41.000 You can come back for sure.

01:50:43.000 Yeah.

01:50:44.000 Do you get chills down your spine when you see things like what's going on with Edward Snowden, when you see what's going on with Julian Assange, when people do expose...

01:50:54.000 Some really horrific things that our government's involved with.

01:50:58.000 The underpinnings of our society itself.

01:51:00.000 The mechanism involved in what's turning the wheels of the military-industrial complex.

01:51:06.000 When that gets exposed, and you see some court just upheld the arrest warrant against Julian Assange.

01:51:12.000 For what? 0.82

01:51:13.000 For having sex with a woman, supposedly? 1.00

01:51:16.000 Or whatever the fuck? 1.00

01:51:18.000 One of the most... 0.99

01:51:19.000 Dubious and questionable charges of all time that's involved in an international incident.

01:51:25.000 Yeah.

01:51:25.000 I mean, is there ever been a more transparent situation when they're going after someone and pretending it's something else?

01:51:30.000 I mean, it's always dangerous grounds to, I guess, to trivialize any rape charge, but you're dead right.

01:51:36.000 But it's not even a rape charge.

01:51:38.000 Yeah, I mean...

01:51:38.000 If it was rape...

01:51:39.000 Yeah, the circumstances which I've read are so fishy and dubious, as you've said, but...

01:51:45.000 You know, one of the most frustrating things is we would be more, the American population certainly would be more angry about the NSA overreach if there was a Republican in office.

01:51:56.000 The fact that it's Obama in office has placated, you know, Democrats and the liberal class.

01:52:03.000 They just think, oh, well, if Obama's happy with it, it must mean it's okay.

01:52:06.000 I guess it's not too bad.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 And also part of the problem is, you know, the millennial generation, you know, it's, hey, look at me, you know.

01:52:15.000 So we've become such a, hey, look at me, you know, Instagram selfies, Facebook accounts, Twitter, and they think the more exposure, the better.

01:52:23.000 So when they talk about, you know, being watched, well, they like being watched. 0.81

01:52:30.000 There is that thing, though, that if it was a Republican that was in office and you were dealing with this NSA leak where you find out that they're downloading every fucking email you have, every phone call you make is being recorded, people would be up in arms.

01:52:45.000 But because of the fact that it's a Democrat, the very same people who would be up in arms are sort of letting it slide in a way. 0.59

01:52:52.000 Partisanship.

01:52:53.000 It is.

01:52:54.000 And that's how, you know, coming back to what I said earlier, you know, we're living in the most polarised moment in American history and we only see things and issues through the lens of our political parties.

01:53:05.000 You know, we're deeply entrenched in our own camps and we only listen to the talking heads who feed red meat to our respective camps. 0.99

01:53:13.000 We're goofy as fuck, in other words. 0.99

01:53:15.000 Yeah, and not too many conservative, not too many Tea Party voters read my pieces, you know, in Salon. 1.00

01:53:21.000 No.

01:53:21.000 Yeah, Salon, you can be, well, if they do read it, they read it to get angry.

01:53:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:25.000 Before they go out to the rifle range and fucking shoot pumpkins with Obama's picture pasted on it. 0.99

01:53:30.000 You know? 1.00

01:53:32.000 God damn it! 1.00

01:53:33.000 Did you hear what he said about Jesus? 0.99

01:53:35.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 Well, you're actively trying to piss them off with your titles of your books, right?

01:53:41.000 I think so.

01:53:42.000 I think so.

01:53:44.000 Crucifying America.

01:53:45.000 Yeah. 0.63

01:53:46.000 Atheists Can't Be Republicans. 1.00

01:53:49.000 God hates you, hate him back. 0.99

01:53:50.000 Yeah, all those.

01:53:51.000 I just got an email yesterday saying, God doesn't hate you, everybody else does.

01:53:55.000 Oh, how rude. 0.51

01:53:56.000 God loves you, but I hate you.

01:53:58.000 Is that what they're saying?

01:53:58.000 Yeah, pretty much.

01:53:59.000 Well, then you're not a child of God. 1.00

01:54:01.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

01:54:02.000 You're not doing it right, right? 1.00

01:54:05.000 They're not.

01:54:06.000 They're doing it wrong.

01:54:07.000 You can't just run around saying that God doesn't hate you, but I do.

01:54:11.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:54:12.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:54:12.000 If you know that, if you know God doesn't, you're supposed to love him then. 1.00

01:54:16.000 Is that what they're supposed to do?

01:54:17.000 Turn the other cheek?

01:54:18.000 Yeah, I don't see much forgiveness.

01:54:20.000 I'm not copying much forgiveness at all.

01:54:22.000 Have you ever met a real Christian like that, who forgives you for your... 1.00

01:54:25.000 Yeah, actually, I have a lot of friends who are Christians.

01:54:29.000 Do you really?

01:54:30.000 Yeah, I do.

01:54:31.000 You said this twice.

01:54:32.000 You said, I have a lot of friends who are Christians.

01:54:34.000 You said a lot of friends who are right-wing Republicans.

01:54:36.000 A lot of gay friends.

01:54:37.000 I said that as well.

01:54:38.000 Do you really have these friends?

01:54:39.000 No, I just make it up.

01:54:42.000 I knew it.

01:54:43.000 To be honest, I think there's seven billion people in the world.

01:54:46.000 I really only know four of them.

01:54:49.000 Really well, right?

01:54:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:54:51.000 But I do.

01:54:52.000 I mean, actually, it's funny.

01:54:53.000 Mormons, and I had this conversation with a friend the other day.

01:54:56.000 Every Mormon I've met is actually super nice.

01:55:00.000 Actually, one of the hottest Mormons on the planet is Abby Huntsman, John Huntsman's daughter. 0.80

01:55:04.000 She's on MSNBC. Oh my god, I do have a little crush on her. 1.00

01:55:08.000 Do you?

01:55:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:55:10.000 You've seen her.

01:55:11.000 I might have.

01:55:11.000 Which one is she?

01:55:12.000 What's her name?

01:55:13.000 Abby Huntsman.

01:55:14.000 I don't watch MSNBC. I try to avoid all mainstream media at this point.

01:55:18.000 I get almost all my news from the internet.

01:55:20.000 I've kind of completely given up on watching Fox.

01:55:23.000 I might watch Fox just for the hot chicks. 1.00

01:55:25.000 I watch Fox just to see chicks cross and uncross their legs back and forth. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Is this her?

01:55:30.000 She's a Mormon? 0.99

01:55:31.000 Yeah, she is.

01:55:33.000 She's beautiful.

01:55:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:34.000 But she's a silly bitch. 1.00

01:55:36.000 There's no doubt about it. 1.00

01:55:37.000 If you're a Mormon.

01:55:38.000 Yeah.

01:55:38.000 I don't care.

01:55:39.000 You could be a Mooney.

01:55:40.000 You could be a Scientologist.

01:55:41.000 It's all the same to me, man.

01:55:43.000 Yeah.

01:55:44.000 You're right.

01:55:45.000 You know, you could be born a Mormon, you know, and get locked into it. 0.99

01:55:48.000 I had a neighbor who was a Mormon who was great.

01:55:50.000 Yeah.

01:55:51.000 Nicest guy.

01:55:52.000 Yeah.

01:55:52.000 Super sweet people.

01:55:54.000 They're very friendly, very, you know, very warm and compassionate.

01:55:57.000 Yeah.

01:55:57.000 Well, and it's also, too, I like to say that, you know, the South, you travel down to the Southern states, and individually, they're the nicest people on the planet.

01:56:05.000 You know, Southern hospitality is a real thing. 0.99

01:56:07.000 But put them all in the room together, and you're talking about the biggest bunch of bigoted assholes, you know, you've ever met. 1.00

01:56:13.000 Talk about taking their guns and black men fucking their daughters. 1.00

01:56:16.000 What? 1.00

01:56:17.000 Not on my watch!

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:21.000 Well, I think a lot of that is just, again, fear, ignorance.

01:56:24.000 These isolated folks that live in these small towns that are separated from the larger cities by vast distances.

01:56:31.000 Those larger cities tend to be the centers of diversity.

01:56:35.000 Yeah.

01:56:36.000 Yeah, you're going to have ignorance and fear in a lot of those places.

01:56:39.000 But, you know, it's also fed upon by the politicians that are running for office in those very areas.

01:56:44.000 Exactly.

01:56:44.000 And it's fed upon by this right-wing echo chamber, which constantly keeps them fear of the external enemy, whether that's liberals, whether that's Muslims, whether it's, you know...

01:56:53.000 The echo chamber.

01:56:54.000 Yeah, communists.

01:56:55.000 But isn't Salon kind of an echo chamber to the left a little bit?

01:56:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:58.000 It's a very friendly audience to the right.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, very friendly audience to the left.

01:57:04.000 Yeah.

01:57:04.000 I mean, there's certain...

01:57:05.000 But we'll see.

01:57:06.000 You do have an echo chamber on the left.

01:57:08.000 But in the left, echo chamber facts aren't made up.

01:57:13.000 Whereas in that right-wing echo chamber, there's a total disregard for facts.

01:57:17.000 Even Romney's head pollster, Neil, and I can't remember his last name, and I guess it doesn't matter, but he even said on camera, you know, facts don't matter, you know, in his campaign.

01:57:26.000 What?

01:57:27.000 Yeah.

01:57:27.000 Come on.

01:57:28.000 No.

01:57:28.000 I mean, they can say anything.

01:57:30.000 Is Romney taking another run in it?

01:57:32.000 I think there's a big wing in the establishment wing of the Republican Party that wants him to run.

01:57:37.000 I don't think he will, but the establishment is desperate for a candidate because at the moment, Rand Paul is going to be the nomination, and he scares the life out of establishment Republicans because he's not a neocon.

01:57:50.000 That's why Dick Cheney's in the media at the moment, trying to water down this isolationist, libertarian wing of the Republican Party, because as it stands today, he would be the nominee.

01:57:59.000 Rand Paul.

01:58:00.000 And what scares people about Rand Paul?

01:58:03.000 What should scare people about Rand Paul?

01:58:05.000 Well, what scares me?

01:58:07.000 Are you asking me?

01:58:08.000 Yeah, what scares you?

01:58:09.000 What scares me?

01:58:09.000 Well, he's a libertarian, for one.

01:58:13.000 I think libertarianism would only exacerbate the winner-takes-all society that we have at the moment.

01:58:19.000 We need to be doing the opposite of that.

01:58:22.000 Libertarianism would grant more power to the corporations in this country and less.

01:58:27.000 What scares the establishment in the Republican Party is he's an isolationist and sort of military-industrial complex.

01:58:34.000 And there was a great piece done recently that if Hillary's a nominee and Rand Paul's a nominee, neocons will vote for Hillary.

01:58:41.000 You know, neocon Republicans will vote for Hillary. 1.00

01:58:44.000 What?

01:58:45.000 Because she's more hawkish than Rand Paul is.

01:58:49.000 Whoa.

01:58:50.000 That would be crazy.

01:58:52.000 Could you imagine Dick Cheney advising people to vote for Hillary Clinton over Rand Paul?

01:58:59.000 He would.

01:58:59.000 Could you imagine a race of Hillary Clinton versus Rand Paul?

01:59:03.000 It would be the biggest landslide since LBJ Barry Goldwater in 64. You think Hillary would win? 1.00

01:59:08.000 I think Hillary could almost win every state. 1.00

01:59:10.000 Whoa.

01:59:12.000 Almost win every state.

01:59:13.000 What do you think would hold people back from voting for Rand Paul?

01:59:17.000 Well, his ideas are unproven, except for Somalia, number one.

01:59:24.000 I think that a lot of things are going to come back to haunt him.

01:59:27.000 He doesn't believe in the Civil Rights Act.

01:59:28.000 He believes that private property trumps everything.

01:59:33.000 There's a great video of him.

01:59:35.000 He's asked, well, do you believe in the Civil Rights Act?

01:59:37.000 Well, I don't know.

01:59:38.000 I kind of think it was a good thing, but I also think private property owners and restaurant owners have the right not to serve.

01:59:43.000 He didn't use the word blacks, but they have the right not to serve black people who don't want to. 1.00

01:59:47.000 So I think he'd be a disastrous candidate. 0.75

01:59:52.000 Barry Coldwater, the same people who voted for Barry Goldwater are the same people who vote for Rand Paul.

01:59:57.000 And we saw what happened to Goldwater.

01:59:59.000 That's not where America is.

02:00:01.000 America is a center-left country, not a far-right country.

02:00:04.000 But people love his dad.

02:00:05.000 Huh?

02:00:06.000 People love his dad.

02:00:07.000 Well, white, well-to-do people loved his dad.

02:00:11.000 You know, he's a neo-confederate. 0.89

02:00:13.000 I mean, you know, and Rand Paul is a neo-confederate.

02:00:15.000 I mean, he's the, you know, regularly speaks at sons and confederate meetings.

02:00:20.000 I mean, it's all about nullification, states' rights.

02:00:24.000 What does state rights mean? 0.77

02:00:26.000 That means these states can ban abortion, deny black people the right to attend restaurants, coloreds only. 1.00

02:00:35.000 It also means they can allow gay marriage, they can allow people to smoke marijuana, they can allow people to do a lot of things that the federal government does not allow.

02:00:46.000 So it's not entirely a negative thing, like the idea of states' rights.

02:00:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:00:52.000 The non-interventionalist foreign policy.

02:00:54.000 Yeah, which is good for you.

02:00:56.000 I'm for that.

02:00:57.000 I think Ron Paul had some very good ideas.

02:00:59.000 He's definitely a wacky old dude, but who's not?

02:01:03.000 You know, how many old dudes stay alive, and especially in the world of politics, get to be that old and just don't have utter disdain for the established system?

02:01:13.000 You know, John McCain, yeah.

02:01:14.000 Yeah, I mean, there's this whole thing that we've been doing from the beginning of time, of profiting off of sending young men to death for things that they don't understand, sending over them to fight in foreign lands for some cause that they don't know what they're doing.

02:01:32.000 They're too young.

02:01:32.000 They're too young to see the hustle.

02:01:34.000 I mean, that's the oldest trick in the book, as far as, like...

02:01:38.000 The military.

02:01:39.000 And that was one that Ron Paul stood very firmly against.

02:01:43.000 And he was one of the few people that was doing it, right or left.

02:01:46.000 Yeah, and I'm with Ron Paul and Rand Paul when it comes to military, and I'm with both of them when it comes to ending the drug war.

02:01:54.000 But, you know, thinking that Ron Paul or Rand Paul is good for America because they're anti-drug and anti-war is like thinking a Big Mac is good for you because it has lettuce and a pickle.

02:02:04.000 But what is good for America, though, at this point in time?

02:02:07.000 We've clearly established that you've got massive amounts of money that are financing politics.

02:02:13.000 What is good for America is what has already worked in the past, and what has worked in the past was FDR's New Deal, and that is socialism.

02:02:22.000 America came out of the Gilded Age.

02:02:25.000 We went into the biggest economic crisis America has ever seen.

02:02:28.000 We implemented social reforms, economic reforms, political reforms, and from the end of World War II to 1980, we built the great American middle class, where we built the most prosperous middle class the world has ever seen.

02:02:42.000 We put a man on the moon, we built the interstate highway systems, we had the GI Bill, we had free education, we had access to education, we established Medicaid with the Great Society. 0.96

02:02:51.000 Happy days, Laverne and Shirley, how good shit happened. 0.95

02:02:56.000 My dad lived in America for 10 years during the 60s. 0.98

02:02:59.000 His generation during that time, just the husband, just your dad worked. 0.68

02:03:03.000 And you still had enough to afford a mortgage and have two cars.

02:03:07.000 Now, both husband and dad and mother have to work.

02:03:11.000 They can barely keep their head above water.

02:03:13.000 They're saddled with debt.

02:03:14.000 We have no way out.

02:03:15.000 And that's the world we live in.

02:03:17.000 We have to go back to that area, and we have to put in social, economic, and political reforms, which redistribute the wealth from the top back to the middle.

02:03:26.000 Now, how would you do that?

02:03:27.000 Say, if someone came to you, you have all these radical ideas, you've written books about it, if someone was running for president, be it Elizabeth Warren, or whoever it is that reads your stuff, What would you implement?

02:03:39.000 I mean, how would you fix this in a reasonable way that makes sense?

02:03:42.000 Well, number one is the tax code.

02:03:44.000 Because, you know, their denial of tax revenue to the federal government is extreme at the moment.

02:03:52.000 That's why, you know, we said earlier, America doesn't have nice things is because corporations are contributing the lowest.

02:03:58.000 Percentage of the overall revenue to the federal government.

02:04:00.000 But if you contribute more money, where does that money go?

02:04:03.000 And who gets to dictate where that money goes?

02:04:05.000 Well, first of all, is you're building an infrastructure.

02:04:07.000 I mean, infrastructure is falling apart in this country.

02:04:11.000 Spending money goes back to Keynesian economics, which has worked in the past and will work again.

02:04:16.000 We have to build bridges.

02:04:17.000 We have to build highway systems.

02:04:18.000 We have to build higher-speed railways.

02:04:20.000 That creates jobs, and that creates markets in new economies.

02:04:23.000 We have to then build up the middle class and the working class with better labour reforms.

02:04:30.000 We've gone from, you know, from the moment Reagan destroyed the union's world that was sacked the air traffic controllers in 1981, we've gone from America protected by collective bargaining went from something like 35% to 7% today.

02:04:44.000 In every social democratic country like Australia and Scandinavia and Western Europe, Upwards of 85% of their populations are covered by collective bargaining.

02:04:53.000 So the workers have a say or a shared prosperity.

02:04:56.000 From 1954 to 1979, their productivity gains were shared equally between corporations and the working class.

02:05:05.000 Today, only 12% of the gains are shared to the working class and middle class.

02:05:10.000 That comes through the tax code, it comes through labor reform, access to healthcare and education and so forth.

02:05:18.000 Do you trust the federal government to do the appropriate thing with the new taxes?

02:05:24.000 Like, say if we did reform the tax code and say if we did change the contributions that corporations are forced to make, do you really trust the government as it's in place right now with all of its glorious incompetence to redistribute that money and do a good job with it? 0.67

02:05:40.000 Well, you know, people will say, well, you know, government always does a shitty job. 0.84

02:05:45.000 Corporations, 90% of corporations fail in their first five years.

02:05:49.000 So government is not a perfect solution or a perfect be-all to end-all, but there has to be a balance where, you know, and we have that in other countries, where there's capital investment but also public investment.

02:06:00.000 Public investment or liberalism, liberalism was never meant to be a left-wing thing.

02:06:07.000 Liberalism was always meant to be a countervailing power to capitalism.

02:06:11.000 Where capitalism falls short, liberalism was supposed to pick up the slack and protect the downtrodden, the people that capitalism leaves behind.

02:06:21.000 And you need public investment to fund those initiatives.

02:06:25.000 There's always going to be waste.

02:06:27.000 That's just part of the part.

02:06:29.000 For every Solyndra that you have, you're going to have Tesla.

02:06:33.000 And people in the Republican wing like to bash government spending on the failure of Solyndra, but they also forget that government funding has made Tesla an enormous success.

02:06:41.000 Do you think that a part of what's going on now with the internet, that this access to information would also deter at least a certain percentage of waste because people would be more responsible for it?

02:06:52.000 Because it would be more transparent than ever before?

02:06:54.000 Well, the stimulus was the greatest public stimulus program in US history since FDR's New Deal.

02:07:02.000 But it was also the most transparent spending of public spending we've ever seen.

02:07:06.000 I mean, the federal government put up a website We've every vendor and contractor and the details of that available for anyone to see.

02:07:13.000 I mean, the waste of that stimulus, which wasn't enough, the size of the stimulus should have been double the $800 billion that it was.

02:07:21.000 It worked.

02:07:22.000 It added two points to GDP, created X amount of million private sector jobs.

02:07:31.000 It was transparent.

02:07:32.000 I don't know how much more transparent it could be.

02:07:34.000 You're never going to eliminate waste totally.

02:07:36.000 But the offside to that is it's filled by the private sector.

02:07:40.000 And the alternative is Reagan's holy trinity, you know, monopolization, deregulation, and privatization.

02:07:52.000 And, you know, there's greater waste there and more crony capitalism than you have on the other side.

02:07:57.000 Certainly with deregulation. 0.99

02:07:58.000 That's scary shit that people would want that. 0.98

02:08:00.000 I think that would be a good idea. 0.99

02:08:02.000 There's a reason why regulations are in place.

02:08:04.000 It's just to keep them from running amok with natural human instincts of conquering.

02:08:08.000 Natural human instincts of deception.

02:08:10.000 You know, these are just natural things that you have to guard against with laws.

02:08:14.000 And that's the thing.

02:08:15.000 Corporations are not concerned with the common good.

02:08:18.000 It's just a profit motive.

02:08:19.000 Right.

02:08:19.000 It's a machine.

02:08:20.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:08:21.000 And it was Clinton who deregulated Wall Street with Glass-Steagall, and that led to the chain of events which collapsed the entire fucking universe in 2008. Dirty Clinton. 0.99

02:08:30.000 Yeah. 0.83

02:08:30.000 And we haven't had one except for Dodd-Frank, which is a pissy effort to regulate Wall Street. 0.83

02:08:37.000 We're back to the same place we were leading up to the days of the crash in 08. What do you think the people that thought that they should let the banks fail?

02:08:45.000 Like that's the Peter Schiff idea.

02:08:48.000 Quite a few people.

02:08:48.000 Ron Paul believed that as well.

02:08:51.000 Don't bail out the banks.

02:08:52.000 Yeah, the former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker believed the same thing.

02:08:55.000 What do you think about that?

02:08:56.000 Well, you know, in my uninformed opinion, there's this great book called The Confidence Men.

02:09:02.000 And it's really an insider's account of the Obama White House in the first four years.

02:09:09.000 And obviously, as he came into office, he was dealing with the biggest economic catastrophe America's seen since the Great Depression.

02:09:15.000 And he was listening to all the ideas going forward.

02:09:18.000 There was Team A and Team B. Team B was the likes of Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner and Paul Rubin, who was a Clintonite.

02:09:27.000 And Team A was Paul Volcker and so forth.

02:09:30.000 Paul Volcker and Team A believed in letting him fail, totally get rid of this debt leverage vehicles that have created this fictitious wealth and fictitious products.

02:09:41.000 In the end, Obama went with Team B to Larry Summers, who were there to protect the status quo of Wall Street.

02:09:47.000 And you have these Wall Street bankers like the CEO of Bank of America saying, thank God Team B was chosen.

02:09:54.000 We'd never be back to where we were.

02:09:56.000 If we had to let Wall Street fail, I don't know enough to be able to give a quantified opinion on what...

02:10:04.000 The arguments that you hear, well we had to prop them up to avoid an even bigger catastrophe, seem valid as well, so I don't know.

02:10:22.000 I think it's almost too late.

02:10:36.000 That's what America's going to look like. 0.91

02:10:37.000 So everyone is going to live in a gated community in space?

02:10:40.000 So the rich people will retire behind gated communities.

02:10:43.000 They'll be able to afford goods and services, which the rest can't afford.

02:10:45.000 And the rest of America is going to live in a crime-riddled society with no public infrastructure and services, which the rich will have.

02:10:55.000 There'll be no middle class. 0.98

02:10:56.000 Which is what third-world countries look like. 0.95

02:10:59.000 A really rich top and a really poor bottom and nothing in the middle.

02:11:01.000 But you're fond of statistics.

02:11:03.000 Don't we have lower crime, lower murder rates than ever before?

02:11:08.000 Murder rates are falling from the height of the 1980s.

02:11:13.000 Except Chicago. 1.00

02:11:14.000 Yeah, they love the shit people at the moment. 1.00

02:11:16.000 Chicago's fucking up the whole curve. 1.00

02:11:19.000 Obama's town, goddammit. 1.00

02:11:21.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:11:23.000 People in Chicago, man, don't like Obama. 1.00

02:11:25.000 It's amazing. 0.92

02:11:26.000 Some black woman in Chicago was in the news the other day saying he's the worst president we've ever had. 0.96

02:11:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:31.000 Oh, wow.

02:11:32.000 A black woman. 1.00

02:11:32.000 Well, worse than Bush. 1.00

02:11:33.000 Stepping up.

02:11:35.000 Worse than Bush.

02:11:37.000 Yeah.

02:11:37.000 I don't know about all that, but...

02:11:39.000 No, I mean...

02:11:39.000 If you're a whistleblower, he's the worst.

02:11:42.000 If you're Snowden, he's the worst.

02:11:43.000 Yeah.

02:11:45.000 But when you see those statistics, those numbers, what makes you think that it's going to get way worse?

02:11:50.000 Well, I mean, crime...

02:11:52.000 Have you read Freakonomics?

02:11:54.000 No.

02:11:54.000 Okay.

02:11:55.000 I mean, it's a great book.

02:11:55.000 Freakonomics makes a, you know, correlation doesn't prove causation, but they make a very strong argument that the only reason that violent crime has fallen in this country is because of Roe v.

02:12:07.000 Wade.

02:12:09.000 Roe v.

02:12:09.000 Wade, abortion, you know, basically destroyed a whole generation of potential criminals.

02:12:16.000 You know, because of poor communities, you know, don't have access to abortion. 0.89

02:12:20.000 That's so crazy.

02:12:21.000 I mean, yeah, it's got racist underpinnings, that finding.

02:12:24.000 In a deep, deep way. 0.98

02:12:25.000 That's so fucking harsh to get behind. 0.83

02:12:28.000 But when you look at it scientifically, if you have just data to analyze, it's really, yeah. 0.90

02:12:32.000 Yeah.

02:12:33.000 But violence is one aspect.

02:12:38.000 What future is there in America where education becomes unaffordable, where those who graduate are saddled with debt that they can never get out of, and where housing becomes unaffordable, and where there's no well-paying jobs, where you have stagnant wages, where you have a country where income has been totally redistributed to the world,

02:12:56.000 where the share of income is...

02:12:58.000 The top 1% used to get 12% of the income, now the top 1% gets something like...

02:13:04.000 37% of the income in this country, you know, you're creating this massive underclass with no way out.

02:13:11.000 So you're saying we need more abortions? 1.00

02:13:13.000 Yeah.

02:13:14.000 That's what I'm hearing.

02:13:15.000 Well, some people ask me if I'm, you know, they obviously know I'm liberal.

02:13:18.000 They ask me if I'm pro-choice, and they say, no, I'm not pro-choice, I'm pro-abortion.

02:13:22.000 There's a big difference. 0.91

02:13:25.000 Well, I wish it didn't involve killing a fetus.

02:13:29.000 The reality of what an abortion is is something that people don't want to discuss.

02:13:34.000 I've had these conversations with people who are liberal, and just when you talk about it flat, objectively, no ideology attached, what is going on?

02:13:43.000 Well, there's a person that's growing in a body and we snuff it out.

02:13:46.000 And at what point in time is it okay to snuff it out?

02:13:49.000 I hear you.

02:13:51.000 I mean, it is that.

02:13:52.000 That's what it is.

02:13:52.000 I mean, is it okay a week in?

02:13:54.000 Yeah, it's a bunch of cells.

02:13:56.000 Is it okay six weeks in?

02:13:57.000 Things start getting squirrely.

02:13:59.000 They start getting squirrely when you see fingers.

02:14:01.000 You start seeing a head and little feet.

02:14:02.000 It starts having a heartbeat.

02:14:04.000 When is it a person?

02:14:04.000 It's only a person when it's born.

02:14:06.000 Really?

02:14:06.000 So a nine-month-old baby that hasn't been born yet, you can reach in and suck that baby out with a vacuum, and that's groovy?

02:14:12.000 Yeah.

02:14:13.000 Man, when is it?

02:14:14.000 When it's viable outside the womb?

02:14:16.000 I mean, it's very...

02:14:18.000 Well, then you throw in, is it viable?

02:14:20.000 And then you add in the rape and the incest part to the equation as well.

02:14:23.000 Oh, sure.

02:14:23.000 And isn't it one of those things, like many things in this world, where there isn't a clean cut black or white?

02:14:31.000 There are many, many shades of grey.

02:14:33.000 I agree.

02:14:33.000 Yeah, and I'm glib and I joke about my pro-abortion comment.

02:14:38.000 How dare you?

02:14:40.000 How dare you joke about something so important?

02:14:42.000 I mean, it's a very emotionally contentious minefield riddled issue.

02:14:46.000 Well, it's also one that women, rightly so, take umbrage with men being able to decide what they can and can't do with their body. 1.00

02:14:54.000 I'm not trying to decide, and I most certainly am pro-choice as far as how I vote, but when I look at the reality of what an abortion is, It disturbs me that because of ideology and because of the stance that they take left or right, that people will argue against the reality of what an abortion is.

02:15:13.000 And I think when you do that, you do a disservice to the topic.

02:15:15.000 Sure.

02:15:16.000 It's a tricky situation. 0.95

02:15:17.000 You're killing babies. 0.84

02:15:18.000 It is.

02:15:18.000 I mean, abortion is a tragedy no matter which way you cut it.

02:15:22.000 And then you then have to deal sensibly with the tragedy that it is. 1.00

02:15:25.000 Unless you had a one-night stand with a crazy bitch and she says, don't worry, I'm getting an abortion. 1.00

02:15:30.000 And then it's... 1.00

02:15:31.000 Amanda, if you're listening, don't call me.

02:15:33.000 Time to party.

02:15:34.000 Yeah.

02:15:36.000 I wish there was a better way, you know?

02:15:39.000 I wish there was a way that you could immediately, you know, there was really, I have a joke about this, that it should be a better way to make people than sex.

02:15:45.000 I mean, at one point in time, maybe that's what the aliens are all about.

02:15:49.000 Yeah.

02:15:49.000 Because when you see the aliens, they're always sexless.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:51.000 Right?

02:15:52.000 They always have these smooth bodies and they have no muscles because they use their brains to move things around.

02:15:57.000 Yeah.

02:15:57.000 They probably got to a certain point in time and they realized, listen, we're not going to evolve unless we get rid of these animal instincts to breed and conquer and dominate.

02:16:05.000 And the only way we're going to move to this really utopian society concept that everybody has, you know, the gradations, the steps away from being an animal, from being a violent predator to being some enlightened being.

02:16:19.000 Somewhere along the line, you're going to have to get rid of sex. 0.98

02:16:21.000 Well, you can ejaculate into a beaker, but I mean, I don't mean to brag. 0.99

02:16:25.000 It's really hard to get it in there. 0.93

02:16:26.000 I'm saying reproduce through genetic manipulation, reproduce through cloning.

02:16:32.000 I mean, we're already doing that.

02:16:33.000 If we could all become eunuchs, I think the world would be a better place.

02:16:36.000 I'm not saying that sex is bad. 0.96

02:16:38.000 Sex is awesome.

02:16:40.000 The sexual differences between men and women are a fascinating dynamic that I think fuels passion and poetry and light.

02:16:48.000 Not poetry. 0.99

02:16:48.000 I never fucking read poetry. 0.99

02:16:49.000 I don't know what I'm talking about. 0.99

02:16:50.000 Art.

02:16:51.000 There's a lot of good to that struggle.

02:16:54.000 There's a lot of great things that come out of struggle.

02:16:56.000 But there's also the reality that if you had to extrapolate from here forth, from where we are to what we used to be, if you believe in evolution, if you're one of them, if you want to go back to the times where we were fucking living in caves and fighting off T-Rex or whatever the hell was going on,

02:17:13.000 and extrapolate that a thousand years in the future, ten thousand years in the future, at some point in time, the elimination of sexual urges might be imperative.

02:17:22.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 I mean, that's our most base urge.

02:17:26.000 And, you know, David Suzuki, the environmentalist, said it best.

02:17:30.000 He said, as advances we become technologically.

02:17:33.000 And if you look at the infant, we created this information superhighway.

02:17:37.000 And we thought this was going to change the world and change the universe.

02:17:40.000 Yet, 85% of the content in there is porn.

02:17:43.000 Is it 85?

02:17:44.000 Is it that high?

02:17:45.000 I don't know.

02:17:45.000 I might have made another statistic up, but it's high.

02:17:47.000 I think it's pretty high.

02:17:49.000 Yeah.

02:17:49.000 We've looked at it before.

02:17:50.000 I think there's varying numbers.

02:17:52.000 I heard that the number was, I think it was 65%.

02:17:55.000 I think I might have added to it for greater emphasis.

02:17:57.000 I thought it was 37. Let's find out right now.

02:17:59.000 What percentage of the internet is porn?

02:18:01.000 Here we go.

02:18:02.000 What are you going to say?

02:18:02.000 60?

02:18:03.000 I'll go 60%.

02:18:04.000 Okay.

02:18:05.000 What of the internet?

02:18:10.000 Okay, let's find out here.

02:18:12.000 How much of the internet is actually porn on Forbes? 0.99

02:18:16.000 It says, don't make me click some shit to continue to the next site. 1.00

02:18:19.000 Goddammit. 0.99

02:18:20.000 Probably a link to RedTube.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, probably.

02:18:22.000 YouPorn.

02:18:23.000 Not that I know what that is. 0.87

02:18:24.000 That's a bad place.

02:18:28.000 It says, okay, in 2010, 13% of web searches were for erotic content.

02:18:37.000 Only 4% of the top million websites.

02:18:41.000 Huh.

02:18:42.000 So 4%, but there was a volume. 0.98

02:18:45.000 They're fucking around with numbers here. 1.00

02:18:47.000 Give me the volume, bitches. 1.00

02:18:48.000 They're not giving me the volume right off the bat. 0.99

02:18:50.000 That's not this one.

02:18:52.000 Forbes is hiding information. 1.00

02:18:54.000 Goddamn elitists. 1.00

02:18:55.000 Web porn. 1.00

02:18:56.000 Just how much is there? 0.80

02:18:57.000 37%.

02:18:58.000 I was right.

02:18:59.000 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 37%.

02:19:00.000 Yeah.

02:19:00.000 That's what it is.

02:19:01.000 37%.

02:19:02.000 That was the number.

02:19:03.000 Okay.

02:19:04.000 37% of the internet is made of pornographic material.

02:19:08.000 Man.

02:19:09.000 Wow.

02:19:10.000 Still high.

02:19:11.000 That's remarkable.

02:19:11.000 Pretty high.

02:19:12.000 Yeah.

02:19:12.000 Nutty.

02:19:13.000 According to estimates from Scandinavian research, 90% of all the data the human race has ever produced has been generated in the past two years.

02:19:24.000 Whoa.

02:19:25.000 Wow.

02:19:26.000 That's nuts. 1.00

02:19:27.000 That is fucking bananas. 1.00

02:19:29.000 That's crazier than porn. 1.00

02:19:32.000 I can't jerk off to that one. 0.98

02:19:33.000 90% of the data the human race has ever produced has been generated in the past two years. 0.78

02:19:39.000 Wow. 0.98

02:19:40.000 How much of that is just bullshit on Twitter and Pinterest? 0.99

02:19:43.000 I remember reading something like that. 0.98

02:19:45.000 Something like 80% of man's knowledge.

02:19:47.000 Everything that man knows has been acquired since 1969, the year we landed on the moon.

02:19:54.000 How could that be possible?

02:19:55.000 That's always thrown about.

02:19:56.000 How could that be possible when the Bible is 2,000 years old? 1.00

02:19:59.000 You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, son. 1.00

02:20:01.000 That's weird. 1.00

02:20:02.000 Everything we know is from 1969 Ford?

02:20:05.000 Yeah, 80-odd percent.

02:20:06.000 But it's sort of been...

02:20:07.000 Yeah, it must be 80-odd percent.

02:20:08.000 That makes sense, because everything is built upon...

02:20:11.000 Yeah.

02:20:12.000 You needed the infrastructure of...

02:20:15.000 You needed the people to figure out the combustion engine for them to figure out the electric car.

02:20:19.000 It was only 100 years before that we thought if someone had the flu, it meant they were demonically possessed.

02:20:26.000 Yeah.

02:20:28.000 The numbers are pretty crazy when you look at 90% of all the data over two years.

02:20:34.000 What is it going to be two years from now?

02:20:36.000 Then when you look at that exponential increase in technology, I'm hopeful.

02:20:41.000 I don't think that your vision of Elysium is going to come to pass.

02:20:47.000 But I'm an optimist.

02:20:49.000 Are you an optimist or are you a pessimist?

02:20:53.000 If you ask friends, I'm a glass half full kind of guy.

02:20:58.000 And I mean, I have the advantage of being here. 0.99

02:21:01.000 And I know when things really do it, get to the shit. 0.99

02:21:03.000 I just get in planning to go back to Australia. 0.99

02:21:05.000 Sure.

02:21:05.000 Where we have universal health care and pensions and social security.

02:21:09.000 That's why you can't be president, son of a bitch. 0.99

02:21:13.000 I'm pessimistic until the liberal class in this country becomes a force again, because there is no countervailing power to capital in this country at the moment. 1.00

02:21:28.000 Until the liberal class becomes a force again.

02:21:31.000 What are the detriments, though, of having liberals in control? 1.00

02:21:35.000 A bunch of pussies, that's what the detriments are. 1.00

02:21:37.000 The fucking Al-Qaeda's gonna come over here and kick our ass. 1.00

02:21:40.000 Bunch of pantyweights running this land. 1.00

02:21:43.000 Hey, Clinton loved blowing shit up. 1.00

02:21:45.000 Did he, though? 1.00

02:21:46.000 He only blew shit up when he got caught getting blowjobs. 1.00

02:21:49.000 That's what he really liked, blowing shit up. 1.00

02:21:50.000 Remember that? 1.00

02:21:51.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

02:21:52.000 God, of all the women he could have had. 1.00

02:21:54.000 Well, he probably had a lot of them. 0.99

02:21:56.000 We found out about a mouthy fat girl. 1.00

02:22:01.000 In more ways than one. 0.86

02:22:03.000 I mean, didn't he supposedly bang Elizabeth Hurley?

02:22:05.000 Do you see all those photographs that came out recently?

02:22:07.000 Oh, really?

02:22:08.000 Oh, there's one look of him and her looking at each other. 1.00

02:22:10.000 You know they fucked. 1.00

02:22:12.000 You just know they fucked. 0.99

02:22:14.000 But she's a good girl. 0.99

02:22:15.000 She'll keep a secret.

02:22:16.000 I love her.

02:22:17.000 Well, she's actually engaged to one of Australia's greatest cricketers ever.

02:22:23.000 Really?

02:22:23.000 Yeah, Shane Warne.

02:22:24.000 How old is she now? 0.92

02:22:25.000 I'm going to guess she's early 40s. 0.99

02:22:27.000 Hanging in there, huh?

02:22:29.000 Barely.

02:22:30.000 Yeah.

02:22:30.000 Tooth and claw.

02:22:31.000 I'd do her.

02:22:32.000 Would you really?

02:22:33.000 How dare you?

02:22:34.000 You would do that Mormon broad too. 1.00

02:22:36.000 You're just horny, man. 1.00

02:22:37.000 God damn it. 0.99

02:22:39.000 What are the negative aspects of liberals taking over? 0.99

02:22:45.000 Nothing is the solution.

02:22:47.000 There's no one-size-fits-all, obviously.

02:22:50.000 I think that countries struggle with trial and error.

02:22:55.000 I think that what's happening in Australia and Germany is not pure liberal societies at all.

02:23:00.000 It's a balancing act, always, between Liberalism and capitalism.

02:23:04.000 And I think there's countries that juggle the two balls better.

02:23:09.000 At the moment, it's so lopsided in the favour of capital.

02:23:12.000 Capital trumps politics.

02:23:18.000 It all started in this country, not to get too historical, but...

02:23:23.000 Justice Powell wrote a memo when Nixon was in the White House and said that the sleeping giant in American politics is the CEO of America.

02:23:33.000 And from that point on, that memo turned into the greatest migration from Wall Street to Washington.

02:23:43.000 And today you have something like 50-odd thousand lobbyists in Washington who have the years of politicians.

02:23:49.000 So I think we're good to go. 0.91

02:24:09.000 Well, what fucked up when FDR was in power for all those years? 0.94

02:24:13.000 Yeah, but that was so long ago. 0.97

02:24:14.000 There's a different world.

02:24:15.000 That's like talking about a culture that's, you know, Aboriginal culture that had some sort of collective government and comparing it to ours.

02:24:22.000 Yeah.

02:24:22.000 It's so different.

02:24:23.000 Some of my friends are Aboriginals.

02:24:25.000 I'm sure.

02:24:26.000 Along with your gay friends, your Christian friends.

02:24:31.000 What would be the negative?

02:24:35.000 I mean, would there be any negative, any weakening of this great nation by having a real liberal idealist?

02:24:43.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 Well, I mean, you've got to give it a go, don't you?

02:24:46.000 Do you?

02:24:47.000 You've got to go back to what's worked.

02:24:49.000 And liberalism has worked.

02:24:50.000 It's a proven success.

02:24:52.000 You know, free market capitalism hasn't worked in this country.

02:24:55.000 We know a trickle-down economics hasn't worked.

02:24:57.000 Again, Kansas, if the need...

02:24:59.000 George Bush came into power.

02:25:01.000 Bill Clinton raised taxes on the rich three times, created 23 million jobs.

02:25:07.000 George Bush, you know, came into power, put in the biggest tax cuts on the wealthy since World War II, and had a net loss of one-man jobs, not including, even if taking out the years of the Great Recession and the Great Crash out of consideration.

02:25:20.000 We see it happening in Kansas.

02:25:22.000 That free market capitalism, trickle-down economics mantra just has been of abject value wherever it's been tried.

02:25:29.000 So, is liberalism going to be the perfect answer?

02:25:31.000 No, but there has to be some measure where the corporate state is put in control.

02:25:37.000 But if you did that, liberalism gets into power and then this sort of anti-war sentiment gets firmly put into place.

02:25:44.000 What do you do about the vacuum that's created in these 100 different countries where we have military presence?

02:25:52.000 FDR was a liberal and we went into World War II. Right, but there was a different world, right?

02:25:56.000 I mean, wasn't it a different world?

02:25:58.000 Not really.

02:25:59.000 No, there was no terrorists.

02:26:00.000 There was clear enemies.

02:26:02.000 We were after the Nazis. 0.88

02:26:03.000 It was sort of a different time.

02:26:07.000 Well, more clearly defined...

02:26:08.000 The Middle East, there's no problem in the Middle East that's going to be solved with military intervention.

02:26:13.000 I mean, Iraq is purely a political situation.

02:26:16.000 You're not going to quell the violence by putting...

02:26:18.000 Look, we couldn't stop an insurgency in Iraq when we had 150,000 troops on the ground.

02:26:23.000 Now we're sending 800 military advisors. 0.99

02:26:26.000 What the fuck is that going to do? 0.98

02:26:27.000 So, you know, Syria, you're not going to stop it unless, you know, these borders are redrawn. 1.00

02:26:33.000 So if isolation is, you could argue, well, how's isolation going to hurt when there is no military solution to these geopolitical problems?

02:26:42.000 Well, the idea of the military solution is the suppression.

02:26:45.000 If we're not solving it, at least we're suppressing the power from gathering steam and forcing, you know, some situation where they could collectively form some large threatening group.

02:26:58.000 We're dissipating that in some sense by our military presence in these countries.

02:27:03.000 Our foot on their neck is what's keeping them from growing large.

02:27:08.000 Fighting over there, so we don't have to fight over here, so we're going to have freedom over here.

02:27:11.000 I mean, that's the logic behind it, right?

02:27:13.000 But we couldn't do with 150,000 troops.

02:27:15.000 So how many troops do you want to keep in these countries for how long?

02:27:19.000 Does it become like an endless occupation in every hotspot around the world?

02:27:23.000 Well, I mean, I don't think that's a good idea, but it seems to be what it is.

02:27:27.000 I mean, that seems to be what we're doing.

02:27:29.000 Yeah, well, I think Obama's...

02:27:32.000 I mean, you look at all the geopolitical issues which have come up in the last few years, everything from Syria to Libya to Russia to now Iraq.

02:27:41.000 The Republicans have pleaded Obama to get military involved in all four of his situations.

02:27:45.000 Three of those situations aren't even in the news anymore, and we would have had a military force there.

02:27:51.000 So, you know, I think the Obama doctrine, for lack of...

02:27:55.000 I know he doesn't like calling Obama doctrine.

02:27:57.000 It's working.

02:27:58.000 It's, you know...

02:27:59.000 Stand on the sidelines.

02:28:00.000 Use proxies.

02:28:02.000 Don't put boots on the ground.

02:28:04.000 Look for political avenues, whether it's through sanctions or pressure on currencies and so forth.

02:28:13.000 These things work.

02:28:14.000 The reason Russia is withdrawing from there The eastern borders of Ukraine is because these sanctions have crippled the oligarchs in Russia, and they're, in turn, putting pressure on Putin to withdraw.

02:28:25.000 Has it really worked?

02:28:27.000 There's a lot of people that argue it hasn't, and that Obama's policies have been disastrous.

02:28:31.000 I mean, there was an article in Politico recently, I don't know if you read it, it was the man who broke the Middle East. 0.99

02:28:36.000 It was this figure, this picture of a pensive Obama, like, looking old as fuck. 0.98

02:28:41.000 But if anybody's hit the wall, like, aged while they've been in office, that poor bastard, Who knows what kind of pressure and stress they must be under to be in that position? 0.99

02:28:51.000 I mean, I can't even imagine why anybody would want that. 0.96

02:28:54.000 But this guy, Elliott Abrams, wrote this article about the policies and what it's done to the Middle East and how fucked up things are now.

02:29:03.000 A lot of people don't think that the policies work, and they think that they've created more problems than they've solved.

02:29:09.000 Yeah.

02:29:09.000 Well, I mean, how's it...

02:29:11.000 I mean, we broke Iraq. 1.00

02:29:13.000 I mean, the Republicans like to be revisionist at the moment and say that things were all rosy when we withdrew in 2008, or is it 09?

02:29:22.000 There was a civil war raging there still.

02:29:26.000 You know, last year there was an, on average, 800 to 1,000 Iraqis killed in terrorist attacks each month in that place.

02:29:34.000 The civil war has been raging.

02:29:37.000 Putting military intervention doesn't solve that.

02:29:39.000 We have to either put pressure on the Iraqi government or Maliki to be more inclusive. 0.98

02:29:46.000 I mean, we fucked the pooch when the day... 0.58

02:29:49.000 You know, I got friends who worked as security contractors, friends who worked for Global Corp who were in charge of monitoring the green zone during the early days of the occupation in Iraq. 0.95

02:29:59.000 And they said, after the sidearm statue fell in Baghdad, you could walk freely without a sidearm even anywhere in Baghdad in those early days.

02:30:07.000 But the minute that Bremner and co.

02:30:12.000 debathicised or, you know, sacked the bathers out of the police force and the military, that created a civil war from that point on. 0.59

02:30:17.000 Now, we put Maliki in power, or we endorse Maliki in power, and he's just perpetuated that policy of, you know, she is only, and soon he's become the underclass. 0.91

02:30:26.000 So, it doesn't matter how many people we put there, it's not going to solve the problem.

02:30:29.000 What solves the problem?

02:30:30.000 How do we fix the world, dude?

02:30:32.000 You know, one of the problems with these conversations, I love these conversations, but I also hate them.

02:30:37.000 I love them because they're fascinating, they're stimulating, but...

02:30:40.000 At a certain point in time, we have them and I go, we're not getting anything done here.

02:30:45.000 Nothing's changing. 0.65

02:30:46.000 We're just mentally masturbating and then we leave and it all stays the same. 0.95

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:51.000 And these intellectual conversations always end up circular like that.

02:30:54.000 I mean, if you're going to ask me to be a prick for a minute, I would say the solution is we put in another heavy autocratic regime that suppresses large segments of the population. 0.97

02:31:07.000 Now, Muslims are going to be sending me death threats now. 1.00

02:31:10.000 But that's what America has done. 0.61

02:31:12.000 If you want peace in the Middle East, then we need to prop up autocratic regimes. 0.99

02:31:15.000 But why is the Middle East different than any other part of the world?

02:31:17.000 Because they're not countries in the way that we think of them as countries.

02:31:21.000 These are artificial countries.

02:31:22.000 It's the same reason that Yugoslavia blew up. 0.97

02:31:24.000 Because we told the Bosnians and the Croatians and the Serbs here, Here's your country, pretend to like each other, get along in governance as a single country, but they're different people. 1.00

02:31:34.000 Iraq is three different countries under one, but we're telling them with British borders to get along nicely and to treat each other equally under a democratic government, when in these countries I don't even know what democracy is. 1.00

02:31:46.000 Can they be taught?

02:31:47.000 I mean, wasn't Iraq a real country at one point in time?

02:31:51.000 I mean, there's some that argue that Baghdad hasn't been the same since Genghis Khan invaded in the 1200s. 0.97

02:31:57.000 That that fucked up. 0.93

02:31:58.000 I mean, they killed everybody in Baghdad in like 1220 or whatever it was. 0.99

02:32:02.000 And that the country's literally never recovered.

02:32:05.000 Yeah.

02:32:06.000 Well, I mean, if you want to end violence here, you just draw a big circle and say, that's Shia-stan, and you draw another big circle and you say, that's Sunni-stan now. 0.99

02:32:15.000 Get in your corners and stay the fuck there, and that's the end of it. 0.99

02:32:17.000 Really? 1.00

02:32:18.000 But then they're going to say, you know, I like it over there.

02:32:20.000 Yeah, and then the Saudis are going to go, what? 0.97

02:32:22.000 We've got so much money and wealth, we don't want to share it with anyone else.

02:32:25.000 And the Iranians are going to go, well, we have so much money and wealth, we're not going to share it with these poor Shia populations like Syria and, you know, in the south of Iraq. 1.00

02:32:34.000 I mean, isn't that going to be just another Israel-Palestine type situation? 0.52

02:32:38.000 Living right next door to people you hate that look exactly like you?

02:32:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:42.000 I mean, bottom line, that region is fucked. 1.00

02:32:44.000 Maybe we should just nuke the whole region and put a massive Burger King there. 1.00

02:32:48.000 I would go with in and out, but I see what you're saying. 1.00

02:32:51.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:32:53.000 That's the problem with these conversations. 1.00

02:32:54.000 They always hit this point where you go, okay, well, what?

02:32:57.000 What can be done?

02:32:58.000 And the answer is almost always, there's no answer. 0.94

02:33:01.000 Yeah, and the only answer is us to stay the fuck out of there and just put, you know, our ally there is one of the most oppressive autocratic regimes in the world, Saudi Arabia.

02:33:12.000 You know, if we don't support them, the price of oil will have oil shock.

02:33:17.000 The American economy will be doomed even more.

02:33:20.000 I mean, we're sitting on such a precipice of potential disaster, it's ridiculous. 1.00

02:33:25.000 If the price of oil skyrockets, Japan is fucked. 0.99

02:33:28.000 Japan is so dependent on us, America, keeping the price of oil down, because they have no oil of their own. 0.99

02:33:34.000 I mean, oil goes skirting through the roof.

02:33:36.000 I mean, not only are we going to have problems in the Middle East, we're going to have a worldwide catastrophe.

02:33:40.000 That's why we need fracking. 1.00

02:33:41.000 And you need to support fracking. 0.99

02:33:43.000 All these assholes that are worried about their wells getting poisoned. 0.99

02:33:46.000 You go to Walmart, you buy your water like everybody else. 1.00

02:33:50.000 Fuck the water. 1.00

02:33:51.000 Do you get any hope at all when you see a situation like what happened with Syria, where the United States at a press conference, Obama got on television, military... 1.00

02:34:03.000 Action against Syria was inevitable. 1.00

02:34:05.000 Everybody just said, fuck this. 1.00

02:34:08.000 The whole country, collectively, right and left, was like, get the fuck out of here with this. 1.00

02:34:12.000 And then it went away.

02:34:13.000 It went away.

02:34:14.000 I mean, do you remember that speech?

02:34:16.000 That speech seemed like we were on the verge of war.

02:34:18.000 The red line speech?

02:34:19.000 Yeah.

02:34:19.000 And then what?

02:34:21.000 Where's the war?

02:34:22.000 Short attention spans.

02:34:23.000 Well, not just short attention spans, but the government recognized that there was a huge resistance.

02:34:28.000 And that might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

02:34:30.000 That might give birth to not just a Occupy Wall Street, but something global. 1.00

02:34:35.000 Something where people really did step in and say, you guys are fucking crazy. 0.99

02:34:40.000 And you guys are making the whole world a dangerous, scary place. 1.00

02:34:43.000 And we're not buying it anymore.

02:34:44.000 Yeah, and also again, Assad is big of a prick of ears.

02:34:48.000 Well, the alternative could be worse.

02:34:50.000 I mean, you've got foreign fighters, Islamist groups that want to turn Syria into a theocracy. 0.95

02:34:55.000 At least Assad, as bad as he is, is a secularist. 0.70

02:34:59.000 Well, wasn't Saddam Hussein a secularist?

02:35:01.000 Yeah, Saddam Hussein was a secularist.

02:35:03.000 Baghdad, Iraqi, except for, you know, maybe a few excursions into Kurdistan, you know, kind of kept Iraq in check.

02:35:09.000 Oh, my God, I'm in trouble.

02:35:10.000 You're in big trouble. 1.00

02:35:11.000 What about the people that lived there and had to deal with those evil fucking serial killer sons? 0.99

02:35:15.000 Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you've got deaf squads, you know, going door to door again now, knocking on doors in the Sunni neighborhoods, dragging people on the street and executing them right now. 0.99

02:35:24.000 I mean...

02:35:25.000 Unless you give these separate sects of Islam their own countries, unless they can be formed, you're never going to solve the problem. 0.95

02:35:33.000 Yeah, you will.

02:35:35.000 Get rid of religion? 0.99

02:35:36.000 Mushrooms. 1.00

02:35:36.000 Get these motherfuckers the same shit they were eating when they brought the sacred mushroom in the cross. 1.00

02:35:41.000 Just airdrop MDMA. Yeah, spray it on them. 1.00

02:35:44.000 You know what we need, for real?

02:35:46.000 We have such a fast food culture, microwave, instant download society.

02:35:51.000 We need a psychedelic taser.

02:35:55.000 We just instantaneously get enlightened.

02:35:58.000 We don't have time for you to take a mushroom and be reasonable for an hour and 20 minutes and then get the facts and then sort of contain it.

02:36:05.000 We need to just taser people. 0.99

02:36:07.000 It's like, oh, I was being a dick. 1.00

02:36:09.000 Just zap them. 0.99

02:36:11.000 I'm trademarking it the minute I get out of here.

02:36:14.000 Psychedelic taser?

02:36:15.000 You can.

02:36:16.000 I already said it online.

02:36:17.000 It's just live, man.

02:36:19.000 Just like Laguna Beach. 1.00

02:36:20.000 The shit is live. 1.00

02:36:22.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

02:36:23.000 I don't know what you're talking about.

02:36:24.000 Psychedelic tasers. 0.99

02:36:25.000 We need to go over there and just tase the shit out of everybody with some sort of a DMT taser. 0.99

02:36:32.000 Just a quick introduction to God. 0.99

02:36:35.000 Like those Agent Orange airplanes over Vietnam.

02:36:38.000 Just fill the skies with enlightenment.

02:36:42.000 They did that in Laguna Beach, just finished writing a great book, The Brotherhood of Eternal Love, and how Laguna Beach was the, not that I live there, but that was the center point for all the best Afghan hash into America. 1.00

02:36:56.000 Really?

02:36:56.000 Yeah, and they had this big concert, I think it was in 67, out in the canyon of Laguna Beach, I don't know where that is, but...

02:37:02.000 They dropped this cargo plane, flew over this crowd, 20,000 people, you know, it's like a Grateful Dead concert, and dropped acid all over the crowd, and it became like a five-day concert.

02:37:12.000 I never knew this history of the city I don't live in.

02:37:15.000 Well, you know what?

02:37:16.000 That was back when people were experiencing this new psychedelic freedom.

02:37:20.000 The word hash is such a strange word, too, because...

02:37:23.000 Hash in a lot of places gets considered as being much more illegal than marijuana.

02:37:28.000 In a lot of countries, in fact, you can get put to death for hash.

02:37:32.000 But all it is is THC. It's like cocaine crack.

02:37:36.000 Sort of, but not in the effects.

02:37:39.000 Have you ever smoked hash?

02:37:40.000 It's just a...

02:37:40.000 It's just a pure version of THC. It's just more potent, but it's very similar in the ways to smoking marijuana.

02:37:47.000 It's just more powerful.

02:37:49.000 That's all it is.

02:37:50.000 It's not like heroin.

02:37:52.000 It's not crystal meth or anything crazy.

02:37:55.000 It's just hash.

02:37:56.000 I've got an 18-year-old son and, you know, obviously him growing up in Indonesia, which has the lowest tolerance of drug use probably anywhere in the world.

02:38:04.000 He's got a friend, actually, who went to jail for, you know, six months.

02:38:07.000 He was 16 at the time for just having one joint.

02:38:10.000 You can have one joint.

02:38:12.000 You can be in jail for 10 years if you're an adult.

02:38:14.000 And so all his friends in Indonesia, he went out and got his medical marijuana card.

02:38:18.000 You know, one of us, the green doctor in Venice Beach, got his card and he puts it on Facebook and...

02:38:23.000 He says, I get home delivery with my own weed.

02:38:26.000 He said, God bless America.

02:38:27.000 So he sees optimism here.

02:38:29.000 What were you doing in Indonesia?

02:38:31.000 Well, I only meant to live there for a year.

02:38:36.000 And then when you turn into 10 years, I had a business in Australia, which I sold.

02:38:40.000 I wanted to go to Indonesia.

02:38:42.000 I had a bar there at one stage.

02:38:45.000 You ran a brothel. 1.00

02:38:47.000 You ran a goddamn brothel in Indonesia. 1.00

02:38:48.000 I didn't want to say that. 1.00

02:38:49.000 A hash bar.

02:38:50.000 That's true.

02:38:51.000 Wow.

02:38:52.000 So yeah, and then I started writing full-time when I was in Indonesia.

02:38:56.000 So you're a real international traveler.

02:38:58.000 You've seen it from all around.

02:39:00.000 Yeah, yeah, kind of.

02:39:01.000 Well, what propelled me into writing about religion was I sort of witnessed the 05 terrorist attack in Bali.

02:39:07.000 Twin suicide bombs on Jim Brown Beach.

02:39:09.000 We were right there that night.

02:39:10.000 And that made me, from a journalistic point of view, really wanted to delve into what's in these religious texts, which would make somebody strap C4 to themselves and blow themselves a smithereen in front of a crowded... 0.51

02:39:21.000 Well, within a crowded restaurant, taking women and children with them. 1.00

02:39:25.000 So... 0.99

02:39:26.000 Yeah, well, you just fucking put a somber note to the end of this podcast. 0.97

02:39:29.000 You want to talk about weight again? 0.98

02:39:31.000 No.

02:39:32.000 No.

02:39:32.000 I mean, it really is all about the mechanisms of the human mind, right?

02:39:36.000 That ideologies can allow people or give people the motivation to do some crazy shit. 0.98

02:39:43.000 Including things of their own selves, and not just ideologies that are accepted, established ideologies like Islam or Christianity, but like those Heaven's Gate guys who cut their balls off and fucking wore purple Nikes and waited for the spaceship behind the comet. 0.97

02:39:58.000 There's something about the human mind that is so easily influenced by An alpha, or an idea, or a message from a higher power, whatever it is. 0.93

02:40:10.000 There's something about the human mind that's so easily influenced.

02:40:14.000 It's truly a dangerous but malleable thing.

02:40:17.000 We want to believe in something higher than ourselves.

02:40:19.000 You know, that's human proclivity.

02:40:21.000 We want that.

02:40:22.000 But why is that?

02:40:23.000 Is there something higher than ourselves that we just haven't accessed yet?

02:40:26.000 Well, I think our highest sense of consciousness, as you said before, our ego can't let go of the fact that once we're dead, we're dead.

02:40:34.000 I don't think our ego can accept the fact that we're really nothing more than a virus.

02:40:38.000 We're a bacteria that occupies the planet.

02:40:43.000 People who do believe, you know, I'm not an evangelical atheist by any means, and there's a lot of those guys, but I'm not.

02:40:51.000 But I always like, if I'm going to give some sort of literature other than my own books to someone who's religious, it's Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Tot.

02:41:00.000 I mean, that really puts into perspective, you know, the meaningless of the human existence.

02:41:07.000 Yeah.

02:41:08.000 Have you ever been to the Keck Observatory in the Big Island?

02:41:11.000 No, I haven't.

02:41:12.000 I just got back.

02:41:13.000 I've been there once before. 0.99

02:41:14.000 The time I went before was way better because this time I went during the supermoon, and the moon was so big you couldn't see jack shit. 0.91

02:41:20.000 You just saw the moon. 0.88

02:41:21.000 You didn't see any stars.

02:41:22.000 But the last time I went, the moon was dark.

02:41:24.000 Right.

02:41:24.000 And you see the entire cosmos.

02:41:28.000 Oh, wow.

02:41:28.000 It's so fascinating because...

02:41:33.000 That would be amazing.

02:41:50.000 It's unbelievably spectacular.

02:41:52.000 And also, like, it's very, that word life-changing gets used a lot for experiences that people have.

02:41:59.000 But my experience, the first time I went, which is, I guess, about nine years ago, my first time going up there was truly life-changing.

02:42:06.000 Like, I looked up there and I saw the stars and I realized, like, we're on a plane.

02:42:11.000 We're on a planet.

02:42:12.000 We're flying around in space. 0.99

02:42:13.000 We're just so preoccupied with our own bullshit that we forget that we're on this planet. 0.99

02:42:17.000 And how small we are. 1.00

02:42:18.000 Yeah.

02:42:19.000 I think if we could see the stars on a daily basis, I think we would be a different attitude.

02:42:24.000 Slowly but surely, I think people would establish a different attitude.

02:42:27.000 Just the sheer humility that comes with looking at the stars, just gazing up at that thing.

02:42:32.000 You know, and just, if you want to look for a greater power, you want to look for a greater thing than us, just the vastness of the infinity that you're looking at is enough.

02:42:42.000 Because when it's just black, it's too easy to ignore. 1.00

02:42:45.000 You look up, you see a couple dots, yeah, well the moon's out tonight. 1.00

02:42:48.000 You know, you get back to your house and you watch fucking Cardiacians and fall asleep with your socks on like a fucking idiot. 1.00

02:42:55.000 I mean, it's too easy to do that. 1.00

02:42:57.000 It's too easy to fall into these traps.

02:42:59.000 I think people that are looking for something larger than life itself, it's right above us.

02:43:05.000 We're in it.

02:43:06.000 It's not even above us.

02:43:07.000 It's around us.

02:43:08.000 We're floating in it.

02:43:09.000 And it's humbling.

02:43:10.000 And, you know, it makes your earthly worries seem insignificant and puts things in perspective, I think.

02:43:16.000 Well, that was the Reagan speech.

02:43:17.000 Remember that Reagan speech?

02:43:19.000 We talked about how quickly we would put our differences aside if we were being faced with a threat from another planet.

02:43:25.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:43:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:26.000 Remember?

02:43:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:43:27.000 Boy, the fucking UFO nuts love that. 1.00

02:43:29.000 Those UFO nutters, they cling to that one speech by this crazy old man who's probably suffering from dementia. 1.00

02:43:36.000 Which he was. 0.89

02:43:37.000 Was he, though?

02:43:38.000 In the end he was.

02:43:39.000 In the end he was, but remember when those Iran-Contra trials were going on and they asked him, yeah, like, did you really sell arms to Iran?

02:43:49.000 And he was like, I don't remember.

02:43:50.000 Yeah.

02:43:50.000 I don't recall.

02:43:52.000 Remember that?

02:43:52.000 That was what he said, I do not recall.

02:43:54.000 And they allowed him to get away with it because he was an old man. 0.70

02:43:57.000 That was the strategy.

02:43:58.000 Well, you know, his son, Ronald Reagan, same name, in his book about his dad, he said, yeah, in the last two years, he was in full mode dementia.

02:44:11.000 Probably the CIA. The CIA dosed him up with some crazy shit to keep him stupid so he couldn't tell. 0.99

02:44:17.000 He just started a new conspiracy website somewhere. 1.00

02:44:19.000 Probably. 0.98

02:44:20.000 His son's gay, too, right? 0.98

02:44:22.000 He's like a ballet dancer. 0.97

02:44:23.000 I think so.

02:44:24.000 I'm not sure.

02:44:24.000 He's like a liberal talk show host and stuff, like completely rebelled.

02:44:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:44:29.000 Although there's two sons.

02:44:30.000 There's one who's a liberal one who's on the talk show, and the other one is not.

02:44:34.000 He's a right-wing loon.

02:44:35.000 Oh, the other one that didn't...

02:44:37.000 The right-wing loon, though, didn't know his dad very well, right?

02:44:40.000 No, that's correct.

02:44:41.000 Yeah.

02:44:41.000 What a mess.

02:44:42.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:44:43.000 Trying to fucking recapture the old glory. 0.95

02:44:45.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:44:46.000 It's so weird when I see people fall in love with the idea of what Ronald Reagan was.

02:44:52.000 They reminisce about the Reagan administration and what the great President Reagan was.

02:44:56.000 I've had these conversations with people. 0.99

02:44:58.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you even talking about, man? 0.99

02:45:00.000 Are you doing a Disney movie of Ronald Reagan? 0.99

02:45:04.000 The mythology is incredible.

02:45:06.000 I mean, he didn't lower taxes on the middle class or the poor or anything like that.

02:45:09.000 He only raised taxes on the wealthy and sent the budget, you know, blew out the budget the next year and put the economy into a recession.

02:45:17.000 And then had to raise taxes something like four or five times after that.

02:45:22.000 So the whole myth of him being a tax cutter and a job creator and so forth, you know, it's all steeped in mythology.

02:45:28.000 And the big one, of course, his introduction to the political world of the religious right.

02:45:34.000 That was the big one.

02:45:36.000 Well, if it wasn't for Jerry Falwell's moral majority, he would never have been president.

02:45:42.000 The Christian rights webbed him into power. 0.99

02:45:44.000 Jerry motherfucking Falwell. 0.99

02:45:45.000 Isn't that crazy? 0.99

02:45:47.000 But wasn't it like Al Capone that made...

02:45:50.000 Who was it that made JFK president?

02:45:56.000 It was also the Chicago mob.

02:45:58.000 Oh, it was the Frank Sinatra connection. 1.00

02:45:59.000 Mickey Scarfa, whoever the fuck it was. 0.99

02:46:01.000 Yeah, in Chicago. 0.99

02:46:03.000 That apparently wreaked some ballots in the south of Chicago. 0.57

02:46:08.000 We only love people when they're dead.

02:46:10.000 We really do.

02:46:11.000 We celebrate them when they're no longer with us.

02:46:15.000 That's it.

02:46:15.000 America.

02:46:16.000 It's America, fuck yeah. 1.00

02:46:17.000 When Jimmy Carter dies, he's going to be a goddamn saint. 1.00

02:46:20.000 Right now he gets maligned, misunderstood. 0.99

02:46:23.000 He's probably, in my opinion, the most philosophical and the most interesting former president ever.

02:46:28.000 Well, here's something interesting.

02:46:30.000 Six months after Jerry Falwell was out of power, his approval rating was 64% roughly.

02:46:37.000 You mean Ronald Reagan?

02:46:38.000 No, no, Jerry Falwell.

02:46:39.000 Jerry Falwell was out of power.

02:46:40.000 Jimmy Carter.

02:46:42.000 Did I say Jerry Falwell?

02:46:43.000 Yes, you did.

02:46:44.000 What did you put in my coffee?

02:46:46.000 I'm sorry, man.

02:46:46.000 I had to dose you up to get the most out of you.

02:46:50.000 Jimmy Carter's approval rating six months out of office was something like 64%.

02:46:55.000 Ronald Reagan's approval rating six months out of office was something like 42%.

02:47:00.000 Now, polls aren't everything, but they take a snapshot in time of the political wins.

02:47:06.000 Reagan wasn't a popular president when he left office.

02:47:09.000 It was only much later.

02:47:10.000 Much later.

02:47:11.000 Decades later.

02:47:12.000 Decades later.

02:47:12.000 After two administrations.

02:47:14.000 Yeah.

02:47:14.000 And look what's happening to Bush now.

02:47:18.000 Revisionism is glossing over or trying to tarnish the turd that was Bush's legacy now.

02:47:24.000 Or the original Bush, which has completely been glossed over.

02:47:28.000 Herbert Walker Bush?

02:47:29.000 You never hear a negative thought about that guy.

02:47:30.000 No, he's a saint now. 1.00

02:47:31.000 Yeah, the fucking guy was the head of the CIA. Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:47:35.000 Jesus Christ, we're weird.

02:47:37.000 We're weird when we do that.

02:47:40.000 I've had conversations with people about Carter, the weakest president ever, and this and that. 0.99

02:47:44.000 I'm like, oh, fucking stop. 0.99

02:47:45.000 You ever listen to the guy talk? 0.99

02:47:46.000 He's a very philosophical, introspective guy.

02:47:50.000 Probably one of the most open, honest, introspective guys we've ever had as a president.

02:47:54.000 But Americans are hostile to intellectuals.

02:47:57.000 They like Americans to act on raw emotion and anger and fury. 0.77

02:48:02.000 Can't we have both?

02:48:03.000 Can't we have both?

02:48:04.000 I think foreign policy-wise, Obama has tried to be circumspective and to think with clarity before he acts.

02:48:13.000 Yeah, but this whole NSA thing will be his legacy.

02:48:17.000 The Edward Snowden thing will be his legacy.

02:48:21.000 When you look at the Hope and Change website that they had in place before when Obama was running for president and his...

02:48:29.000 Established position of assisting whistleblowers who are exposing crimes.

02:48:35.000 And then you look at what he's become.

02:48:36.000 You look at what his legacy is.

02:48:39.000 That's really...

02:48:40.000 Exactly.

02:48:41.000 And I often say when people ask in interviews or so forth, how do you think Obama will be remembered as a president?

02:48:48.000 I always say, he'll just be remembered as slightly better than the alternative.

02:48:52.000 That's how his presidency will be remembered.

02:48:54.000 And with that, we're out of time.

02:48:56.000 That was an awesome three hours, man.

02:48:58.000 What's that three hours? 0.99

02:48:59.000 Fucking flew by. 0.99

02:49:00.000 Wow, that's incredible. 0.99

02:49:01.000 That's how it works over here.

02:49:03.000 We're going out right into peak hour traffic.

02:49:05.000 We dose you up and we send you away.

02:49:08.000 I don't think we got anything covered.

02:49:10.000 I don't think we figured anything out.

02:49:12.000 No solutions.

02:49:13.000 But it was a lot of fun.

02:49:14.000 Thanks, man.

02:49:15.000 I really appreciate it.

02:49:15.000 Thanks for having me on.

02:49:16.000 Thank you.

02:49:16.000 Thank you for having me.

02:49:17.000 And please, go buy his books.

02:49:19.000 They're very highly rated, and you can check them out on his website.

02:49:23.000 You can check them out on Amazon.

02:49:24.000 If you go to CJ Werleman, that's W-E-R-L-E-M-A-N on Twitter.

02:49:33.000 If you go to his Twitter link, there's a link to his Amazon page.

02:49:36.000 And that Amazon page has Crucifying America on it.

02:49:39.000 It also has Atheists Can't Be Republicans. 0.95

02:49:41.000 God hates you. 0.99

02:49:42.000 Hate him back. 0.99

02:49:43.000 Jesus lied. 0.76

02:49:44.000 He was only human.

02:49:46.000 All sorts of things to piss off anyone religious in your family.

02:49:49.000 Send it to him for Christmas, Hanukkah, your birthday.

02:49:52.000 Send people things for your birthday.

02:49:54.000 Say happy birthday to me. 1.00

02:49:55.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:49:56.000 Here's a book. 1.00

02:49:56.000 Read it. 1.00

02:49:57.000 It's by C.J. Worleman.

02:49:58.000 Do you have a website too?

02:49:59.000 Yep.

02:50:00.000 C.J. Worleman.com.

02:50:01.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:50:02.000 Really appreciate it.

02:50:03.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:50:03.000 Great chat.

02:50:04.000 Thanks, mate.

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02:50:35.000 We'll be back in a little bit with the Fight Companion podcast that will air live that coincides with the Fox Sports 1 broadcast which is at 7 o'clock tonight.

02:50:46.000 So, until then, much love.

02:50:48.000 Big kiss.

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02:50:53.000 I can't believe I'm straight out.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 16, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #522 - CJ Werleman

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